| 00:00.16 | dserban | I certainly can, though I have no idea how to read a changelog without installing udev which would clobber my current configs, and I'll admit, that's my own shortcoming. |
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| 00:00.24 | dserban | It's why .. I ask here once in a while. |
| 00:00.26 | Dreamr3 | hmmm |
| 00:00.30 | Dreamr3 | no mysql3 package? |
| 00:00.42 | Dreamr3 | is it assume the entire world is on 4 now? |
| 00:00.46 | SperMite | If theres any kernel experts in the house pm me plzz |
| 00:00.58 | ke6isf | !tell SperMite -about ask |
| 00:01.23 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:03.09 | ke6isf | Azar: He's probably attempting to pm dpkg. =^^= |
| 00:03.23 | Shadowcat | dscener: let's see umm, 1) download the package 2) unpack it 3) RTFM |
| 00:03.42 | Shadowcat | you do know how to download without installing, right? |
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| 00:08.21 | abrotman | SperMite: noone is going to msg you |
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| 00:09.05 | SperMite | abrotman o know, i was googling again before asking again for help |
| 00:09.08 | SperMite | i* |
| 00:09.41 | ke6isf | SperMite: Why not just ask the question in channel? |
| 00:09.44 | vin` | when you want to shoot, shoot, don't talk. |
| 00:09.45 | abrotman | hard! |
| 00:10.30 | airox | Just don't shoot me. |
| 00:10.38 | ke6isf | !shoot airox |
| 00:10.43 | ke6isf | =^_^= |
| 00:10.45 | airox | Damn you! |
| 00:11.45 | Aghaster | when installing debian from net install CD i am asked to choose a set of packages, and i have a list. when i press enter it doest select and begins installation |
| 00:11.49 | Aghaster | how do i select? |
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| 00:11.59 | SperMite | Ok : adding what i want in my kernel whats the correct command for making it: i read to many different ways |
| 00:12.07 | abrotman | Aghaster: spacebar ? |
| 00:12.11 | Aghaster | ah |
| 00:12.16 | Aghaster | sorry for being noob |
| 00:12.26 | ke6isf | !wayc SperMite |
| 00:12.26 | dpkg | SperMite: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
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| 00:12.44 | abrotman | !tell SperMite about kp |
| 00:12.56 | SperMite | dpkg i wanted to add joystick spport |
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| 00:13.04 | ke6isf | Aghaster: If you're in aptitude, + selects, - deselects. Do F10 and select help for much more information. |
| 00:13.15 | ke6isf | SperMite: Um, dpkg is a bot. |
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| 00:13.17 | Aghaster | k, thx |
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| 00:13.36 | SperMite | ke6isf i know |
| 00:13.46 | ke6isf | SperMite: ...right. |
| 00:13.51 | bltzfsck | my kid wants to know if he can get mp3s off this linux box onto his ipod. is that doable? |
| 00:14.18 | starfishy | google for linux ipod |
| 00:14.21 | starfishy | tons of hits |
| 00:14.22 | ke6isf | bltzfsck: I think so, but can't remember. What version of Debian is he running? |
| 00:14.23 | Aghaster | yeah |
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| 00:14.31 | SperMite | ke6isf did I say that he wasn't or try asking dpkg a question? |
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| 00:14.53 | ke6isf | SperMite: No, you told dpkg that you wanted to install a joystick when you responded to the wayc factoid. |
| 00:15.16 | bltzfsck | i found a bunch of hits, just wondered if there was a best or easiest way. |
| 00:15.25 | bltzfsck | like the debian way... |
| 00:15.32 | ke6isf | bltzfsck: What version of Debian? |
| 00:15.35 | bltzfsck | we're running sarge |
| 00:15.39 | bltzfsck | when it was testing |
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| 00:15.46 | bleaked | if i just installed apache2, with libapache2-mod-php4, and php files are not parsing (ie, im being asked to d/l the file) what might be wrong with my setup. (this is a spare box, im just fooling w/, no production or anything) |
| 00:15.50 | bltzfsck | this box has been in the garage for a while |
| 00:15.51 | ke6isf | bltzfsck: 'apt-cache search ipod' |
| 00:16.00 | bltzfsck | ke6isf: ok |
| 00:16.03 | bltzfsck | good start |
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| 00:16.21 | bltzfsck | i havent' been fooling with this stuff for a while, so i'm kind of rusty |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | !ipod |
| 00:16.24 | dpkg | hmm... ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
| 00:16.38 | ke6isf | bltzfsck: I only see three items there with libs that would be fine. |
| 00:17.02 | bltzfsck | ke6isf: i'll give it a shot. thx |
| 00:17.17 | ke6isf | bltzfsck: Good luck. |
| 00:17.30 | afabian | MP3 is annoying. We have ogg vorbis! Down with the inferior patent-encumbered format! |
| 00:17.38 | Aghaster | why isnt the AMD64 version of debian "unofficial"? |
| 00:17.56 | ke6isf | afabian: We're still waiting for cd players that play oggs. |
| 00:18.01 | johnblade | !dpkg mp3 |
| 00:18.02 | dpkg | i guess mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
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| 00:19.12 | afabian | Aghaster, I don't think it was ready for prime-time when sarge was released, but I'm not sure that's the only reason. |
| 00:19.12 | Dreamr3 | *orders his new Apple iPod shuffle* :-) |
| 00:19.24 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:20.07 | ke6isf | Oh, Ipod, Ipod, why dost thou torture me so with your versatility and high price? |
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| 00:20.15 | Dreamr3 | hahaha |
| 00:20.19 | Dreamr3 | the shuffle is like $99 |
| 00:20.28 | Dreamr3 | i don't need all that other jazz |
| 00:20.32 | ke6isf | Dreamr3: Still outta reach until I can afford to pay rent and not be late. |
| 00:21.04 | Dreamr3 | ke6isf: shuffle is tiny |
| 00:21.17 | ke6isf | Dreamr3: What's capacity like on 'em? |
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| 00:22.01 | akant | they make 512meg and 1gig versions i beliece |
| 00:22.02 | Dreamr3 | ke6isf: 512mb/1gig |
| 00:22.04 | ke6isf | Dreamr3: There's also some other mp3 player that's about a 1.5" cube, but holds a decent number of files. |
| 00:22.17 | hfly | How can I lock the workstation ? |
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| 00:22.45 | Aghaster | ok, i'm at the debian software selection screen in the installation, and +/- doesnt work |
| 00:22.45 | Aghaster | :( |
| 00:22.56 | Aghaster | how can i select software packages? |
| 00:23.39 | ke6isf | Aghaster: Select the help menu for details. |
| 00:24.19 | Aghaster | F10 doesnt pop out an help menu |
| 00:24.33 | hfly | what utility can I use to lock the workstation ? |
| 00:24.38 | ke6isf | Aghaster: It won't pop out a help menu. It'll just pop out a menu. You have to select the help menu. |
| 00:24.49 | ke6isf | !tell hfly -about repeat |
| 00:24.58 | Aghaster | well nothing happens at all |
| 00:25.13 | ke6isf | Aghaster: You aren't in aptitude? |
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| 00:25.32 | ke6isf | Aghaster: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:25.33 | Aghaster | i'm following the instructions of the installer from the net install cd |
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| 00:25.46 | Aghaster | latest version i just downloaded |
| 00:25.57 | ke6isf | Aghaster: That means nothing. What version is that? |
| 00:26.07 | Aghaster | debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:26.10 | ke6isf | Sarge. |
| 00:26.18 | ke6isf | OK, describe to me exactly what the screen looks like. |
| 00:26.26 | abrotman | Aghaster: F1 |
| 00:26.29 | Aghaster | its in the debian configuration screen |
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| 00:26.41 | ke6isf | Aghaster: Precisely what is it prompting you to do? |
| 00:26.45 | Aghaster | says "Debian software selection" |
| 00:27.19 | Aghaster | and i have to choose software packages such as "Desktop environment", "Web server", "Print server" etc |
| 00:27.49 | ke6isf | Aghaster: OK, that clarifies things. What do you need to know now? |
| 00:27.58 | Aghaster | how can i select items |
| 00:28.08 | Aghaster | if i press enter it begins installation... it doesnt select |
| 00:28.10 | bltzfsck | don't i need to mount the ipod on a usb port to use it? |
| 00:28.11 | ke6isf | Aghaster: space bar. Up arrow and down arrow navigates. |
| 00:28.57 | ke6isf | Aghaster: (hint: use manual package selection, it's more fun that way.) |
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| 00:29.40 | Aghaster | ok |
| 00:29.41 | Aghaster | thanks |
| 00:29.58 | Aghaster | i'm used to ubuntu, and thinking of moving to debian now |
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| 00:30.10 | smarco | Aghaster, just curious, why? |
| 00:30.28 | Aghaster | philosophy, debian seems the purest linux distribution |
| 00:30.32 | Aghaster | to be* |
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| 00:31.48 | afabian | Aghaster, RMS once mentioned Ututo as the most ideologically pure distribution. I think that non-free rankles him. From what I gather, Ututo is not a technically great distribution, perhaps not even available in English, but very ideologically pure... |
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| 00:32.24 | Aghaster | ututo? |
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| 00:32.36 | sander_ | hi.. I got an isa sound card.. I need it configured.. how do I configure that? |
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| 00:32.41 | Aghaster | bah, i've heard of lot of debian. I'd like to try |
| 00:32.42 | afabian | Aghaster, yep. You're not alone. I doubt many people would've heard of it if not for RMS. ;) |
| 00:33.00 | rightcoast | hell i haven't either, lmao |
| 00:33.11 | bleaked | why would apache just not parse a php file? |
| 00:33.12 | Aghaster | if i like it then thats good, if not then i just uninstall thats all |
| 00:33.24 | Aghaster | bleaked: because its not configured to? |
| 00:33.36 | bleaked | well, i believe it is.. |
| 00:33.39 | afabian | Aghaster, sure. Not to dissuade you from Debian. It's a great distribution. Just mentioning that one notable software ideologue finds Debian to be not free enough (even if it is the one of the most free of the major distributions...) |
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| 00:33.52 | dvm1981 | Aghaster: If you must comme back againt there where you fail, use 'tasksel' |
| 00:33.53 | bleaked | Aghaster. what all needs to be configured? |
| 00:33.54 | ice_1963 | debian is the best i think |
| 00:34.01 | ke6isf | Aghaster: Since you came from Ubuntu, you'll find Debian to be familiar - and liekly much more robust. |
| 00:34.07 | sander_ | anyone remember how to deal with old sound cards? |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | !isapnp |
| 00:34.23 | dpkg | [isapnp] a nifty utility that lets you configure your ISA PnP cards (which themselves are evil) in linux, or apt-get install isapnptools then pnpdump, or http://www.roestock.demon.co.uk/isapnptools/ |
| 00:34.23 | afabian | sander_, I pitch them and buy new sound cards. ;) |
| 00:34.24 | Aghaster | yeah the installation is similar - to the point where i got stuck like a noob lol |
| 00:34.30 | ke6isf | sander_: How old is this sound card? |
| 00:35.07 | sander_ | afabian, ke6isf: I know it worked in linux before.. but I had to use some kinda isa configure program.. or something.. |
| 00:35.26 | sander_ | ke6isf, 5 years.. maybe 10.. its built into the mainboard |
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| 00:35.46 | ke6isf | sander_: Built into the mainbo... what kind of computer is this? |
| 00:35.47 | sander_ | but I cant remember what program to run.. to detect the soundcard |
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| 00:36.11 | sander_ | ke6isf, Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP bridge |
| 00:36.39 | Malagmyr | What's the best way of getting Gaim 1.5 on stable? |
| 00:36.42 | ke6isf | sander_: If that's the case, it's not more than five years old, I'm guessing. |
| 00:36.45 | sander_ | ke6isf, maybe this helps: Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI |
| 00:36.57 | chops | Malagmyr: backports.org |
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| 00:37.17 | ke6isf | sander_: Also, are you sure tey built an ISA card into a motherboard? Even in 2000 they were going PCI, and ISA has been deprecated for a little longer. |
| 00:37.33 | chops | Malagmyr: ... or apt-get source gaim (with a source URL pointing to testing or what-have-you), apt-get build-dep gaim, dpkg-buildpackage, dpkg -i |
| 00:37.41 | sander_ | ke6isf, 0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02) |
| 00:37.56 | ke6isf | sander_: That tells me there's an ISA bridge. |
| 00:38.01 | sander_ | ke6isf, yes.. I remember I configured it a year ago.. |
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| 00:38.09 | ke6isf | sander_: That's really weird. |
| 00:38.11 | Malagmyr | chops: that sounds nice. I'll try that. thanks |
| 00:38.24 | sander_ | ke6isf, but I cant remember the exact command |
| 00:38.39 | ke6isf | sander_: Anyway, try the isapnptools as abrotman summoned a moment ago. |
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| 00:39.48 | sander_ | ke6isf, ok.. thanks.. I think thats it.. I didnt see that msg |
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| 00:40.41 | unlearn | what is a good dvd ripper in debian? |
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| 00:41.20 | smarco | are there any unofficial repositories that have azureus? |
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| 00:41.28 | ice_1963 | that's illegal |
| 00:41.29 | adrakoa | unlearn acidrip |
| 00:41.58 | magyar | i am running xorg on sid and performed a system update now the KDE wont start in 1920x1200 but at 640x480. |
| 00:42.01 | zinx | smarco: uhm, probably... but why not use the official repository? |
| 00:42.07 | adrakoa | unofficial repositores ---> www.apt-get.org smarco |
| 00:42.13 | smarco | zinx, doesnt have it |
| 00:42.15 | smarco | adrakoa, thx |
| 00:42.26 | zinx | !info sid azureus |
| 00:42.45 | _rene_ | !info azureus sid |
| 00:42.46 | zinx | oops |
| 00:42.47 | dpkg | azureus: (BitTorrent client), section contrib/net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0.6-1 (sid), Packaged size: 4921 kB, Installed size: 5572 kB |
| 00:42.51 | zinx | aye |
| 00:43.12 | adrakoa | i think what he want java package |
| 00:43.19 | zinx | i actually thought it made it in to sarge |
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| 00:43.28 | zinx | adrakoa: for that, there's java-package |
| 00:43.30 | smarco | zinx, now you got me confused, im running unstable and it doesnt find azureus |
| 00:43.34 | zinx | smarco: you lose. |
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| 00:43.44 | _rene_ | smarco: look above. read. |
| 00:43.44 | zinx | smarco: you have to install it first, you know.... |
| 00:43.55 | adrakoa | zinx azureus is a java program |
| 00:44.01 | _rene_ | smarco: it's in contrib because it needs non-free shit (suns java) |
| 00:44.01 | zinx | adrakoa: yes... and? |
| 00:44.23 | _rene_ | smarco: so add contrib... |
| 00:44.26 | smarco | oh ic, thanks guys |
| 00:44.29 | zinx | adrakoa: java-package was created specificly for packaging java in a debian manner so that it can be installed |
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| 00:45.02 | bleaked | i just dont get it..apache is not parsing php files. what all needs to be configured to facilitate this? |
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| 00:45.13 | sander_ | ke6isf, ok.. i've executed pnpdump.. any idea what I should do now.. alsamixer still dosnt start |
| 00:45.14 | adrakoa | zinx i don't discuss, only help. |
| 00:45.36 | zinx | adrakoa: you seem to be spurting out unrelated facts, then |
| 00:45.55 | ice_1963 | reboot |
| 00:45.59 | adrakoa | zinx of course |
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| 00:46.44 | Bitch-Face_Jones | when I do a new installation with debian sarge and it goes to reboot after the inital setup, I just get L 02 02 02... when LILO loads when it tries to boot off the HD |
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| 00:47.04 | Bitch-Face_Jones | I've installed LILO to the MBR |
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| 00:47.30 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.36 | Bitch-Face_Jones | anyone know what the problem is? |
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| 00:47.50 | Bitch-Face_Jones | I've don this dozens of times before with woody and it worked fine |
| 00:47.59 | threat | werd |
| 00:48.28 | Bitch-Face_Jones | the only thing I can think that I'm doing differently is using XFS as the filesystem type |
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| 00:49.41 | azeem | Bitch-Face_Jones: xfs might matter, not sure |
| 00:49.49 | SperMite | anyone know of a setup guide for apache2 for debian? |
| 00:50.32 | adrakoa | SperMite apt-cache show apache2-doc |
| 00:50.39 | ice_1963 | www.aboutdebian.com/ |
| 00:50.44 | Azar | Bitch-Face_Jones: scroll down this article at "The initial boot process": http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-bootload.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01LILOandGRUB |
| 00:51.32 | abrotman | SperMite: install it .. read the docs in /usr/share/doc/apache2 or apache2-common |
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| 00:54.16 | threat | pivot_root: no such file of directory :\ |
| 00:54.29 | threat | initrd is not loading sd_mod for some reason |
| 00:54.37 | abrotman | why are you doing that? |
| 00:54.55 | threat | even when I put sd_mod into /etc/mkinitrd/modules it still doesnt load first :\ |
| 00:55.21 | threat | abrotman, because its not working :( I am going to compile sata_sis and sd_mod into the kernel and not worry about initrd |
| 00:55.30 | Azar | hmm I am soo tempted to get the CD-R(W) backup utility |
| 00:55.32 | sander_ | after dumping all the output from pnpdump into isapnp I got: Board 1 has Identity 86 00 00 01 00 0e 5a a0 1e: GU@5a0e Serial No 256 [checksum 86], Board 2 has Identity b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e: CSC6835 Serial No -1 [checksum b6] |
| 00:55.34 | abrotman | i meant .. why not use the one in sarge/etch/sid ? |
| 00:55.43 | threat | I was using initrd since my / was on LVM, but I have reformated and changed that now |
| 00:55.55 | threat | abrotman, it doesnt workj |
| 00:56.04 | abrotman | why not? |
| 00:56.16 | threat | abrotman, 2.6.8-2 gives me IRQ nobody cared errors |
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| 00:56.37 | adrakoa | threat you must: mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.xxxxxx /lib/modules/xxxx |
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| 00:56.44 | abrotman | threat: that's a problem? |
| 00:56.51 | opnsrc | How do I add an address bar to the evolution folders |
| 00:56.58 | opnsrc | I think it was somewhere in Configuration editor |
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| 00:57.19 | threat | abrotman, yes it is since my / is sata and irq nobody cared happens when sd_mod loads |
| 00:57.30 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:57.39 | abrotman | but why not just try a 2.6.12 from etch ? |
| 00:58.02 | threat | I never thought of that, I will give that I go if this kernel I am compiling doesnt work |
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| 00:58.25 | threat | thanx abrotman :) |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | threat: it's obviously not working :) |
| 00:58.53 | abrotman | !kp |
| 00:58.53 | dpkg | i guess kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 00:59.23 | threat | abrotman, although the other problem is since I cant boot up on this computer I need to chroot the HDD from anothjer computer, which means when I install a new kernel it expects a LVM vg / pv / lv from my other computer |
| 00:59.40 | Chris62vw | having trouble installing/starting X. I'm in a terminal right now. first I tried installing fluxbox, thinking that would install everyting necessary |
| 00:59.43 | threat | abrotman, I am using make-kpkg |
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| 00:59.58 | Chris62vw | I usually type "startx" to start x-windows. did I forget to install something? I have yet to run xf86config |
| 01:00.07 | abrotman | threat: just making sure |
| 01:00.11 | threat | :) |
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| 01:00.16 | abrotman | !drxx Chris62vw |
| 01:00.17 | dpkg | Chris62vw: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:00.25 | Chris62vw | thanks |
| 01:00.33 | threat | I am using chroot /mnt/sda3 /bin/bash |
| 01:00.47 | threat | then mounting /proc and such, then compiling from that system |
| 01:00.49 | threat | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:01.09 | threat | using make-kpkg |
| 01:01.09 | Chris62vw | aha, it wasn't installed :- |
| 01:01.30 | Chris62vw | imagined it was a dependency of xmms/vncserver/firefox/xterm/fluxbox |
| 01:01.40 | threat | abrotman, I am not making an initrd, does that matter? |
| 01:01.49 | Azar | yeehhaa! finally I get some upgrades |
| 01:02.01 | abrotman | threat: it could ... dunno what your config is |
| 01:02.17 | threat | abrotman, / is no longer LVM (its /dev/sda3) and sd_mod and sata_sis are compiled into the kernel |
| 01:02.32 | abrotman | and it still dies? |
| 01:02.38 | threat | no that what I am trying now |
| 01:02.44 | threat | I am just wondering if you see anything wrong with that |
| 01:02.58 | threat | or if I forgot to include some other module / compile something else into the kernel |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | lvm on / is always a pain |
| 01:03.13 | threat | abrotman, agreed, which is why I am nolonger doing that :) |
| 01:03.33 | threat | reiserfs and ext2/3 are compiled into kernel too |
| 01:03.34 | abrotman | besides using lilo .. |
| 01:03.39 | abrotman | eww .. i blame reiser |
| 01:03.41 | threat | I am using grub |
| 01:03.51 | threat | you done like reiserfs? |
| 01:03.56 | threat | done = don't |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | you can use grub with lvm on / can you ? |
| 01:04.05 | Chris62vw | I just typed "startx" and it dies with "no screens found". is that because of misconfiguration? or am I missing something? thanks |
| 01:04.06 | sander_ | hmm.. anyone have any clue how I can get this isa card working? |
| 01:04.06 | abrotman | reiser is the work of the devil .. |
| 01:04.09 | sander_ | sound card* |
| 01:04.12 | threat | abrotman, yes, but the initrd wasnt loading sd_mod |
| 01:04.16 | Chris62vw | sander_, good luck :-) |
| 01:04.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:04.26 | abrotman | sander_: isapnp |
| 01:04.27 | threat | abrotman, whats wrong with B-trees? |
| 01:04.33 | threat | and r5 hashes? :) |
| 01:04.49 | abrotman | threat: it's actually the devil i have a problem with .. the ideas are fine .. the implementation is sketchy :) |
| 01:04.51 | opnsrc | How do I add an address bar to the evolution folders? I think it was somewhere in Configuration editor |
| 01:04.52 | sander_ | abrotman, I just executed isapnp.. and pnpdump |
| 01:05.01 | sander_ | abrotman, but what now? |
| 01:05.07 | threat | abrotman, is that just reiserfs 4.0 or 3.6 as well ? |
| 01:05.09 | sander_ | abrotman, I get a whole bunch of things |
| 01:05.11 | abrotman | sander_: you're gonna have to read a pile of docs .. check /usr/share/doc/isapnptools/ or whatever it is |
| 01:05.15 | Bitch-Face_Jones | yeah, I tried doing the basic install with Ext3 and GRUB, and I just get "GRUB GRUB GRUB " spammed on the screen |
| 01:05.23 | Bitch-Face_Jones | wtf is going on |
| 01:05.25 | abrotman | threat: i wouldn't touch reiser with a ten foot pole |
| 01:05.26 | Chris62vw | reboot, brb |
| 01:05.28 | threat | Bitch-Face_Jones, hehe |
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| 01:05.34 | sander_ | abrotman, ok.. thx |
| 01:05.40 | Chris62vw | abrotman, what is so bad about reiser? I've run it on various linux systems and it works fine for me |
| 01:05.48 | abrotman | so does ext3 |
| 01:05.49 | threat | abrotman, hmm what do you recommend then? ext[23] ? xfs? jfs? |
| 01:05.53 | Chris62vw | yeah but so does reiserfs |
| 01:05.59 | abrotman | i value the integrity of my data far more than the speed |
| 01:06.03 | Chris62vw | and in the end, I really don't care, as long as it works well |
| 01:06.05 | pipeline | Chris62vw: I think it's a lot shorter to ask "what's not bad about reiser?" |
| 01:06.09 | Chris62vw | oh. I'm just on a desktop |
| 01:06.11 | pipeline | Chris62vw: Reiser works well? News to me. And everyone else. |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:06.18 | pipeline | abrotman: ReiserFS is actually much slower than ext3. |
| 01:06.19 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 01:06.19 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 01:06.24 | abrotman | pipeline: now .. |
| 01:06.32 | Chris62vw | pipeline, it works great for me. sorry, I wish I could lie to you and tell you that it corrupts my files |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | if yhou read the second link .. read the reiserfs.html file |
| 01:06.43 | abrotman | Chris62vw: just wait .. it will |
| 01:06.47 | threat | yes but reiserfs is more efficient in storage space then ext3. |
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| 01:07.00 | threat | you get more out of a drive using reiserfs then you do using ext3 |
| 01:07.04 | Chris62vw | abrotman, ive been using it for about three years I think. I turn my computer on. it stays on. my files are all there. :-_) |
| 01:07.16 | threat | Chris62vw, ditto :) |
| 01:07.18 | afabian | Filesystems are one of those holy war things, like vi vs emacs. But most people wouldn't argue that ext3 isn't very stable, mature, reliable, and reasonably efficient, so I don't mess with anything else as a simple home user. |
| 01:07.19 | pipeline | abrotman: It always was. |
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| 01:07.24 | Chris62vw | threat, yeah, so go figure! |
| 01:07.26 | pipeline | abrotman: ReiserFS never performed well outside synthetic benchmarks. |
| 01:07.29 | threat | vi is best :P |
| 01:07.32 | pipeline | abrotman: And Reiser4 is just a dog :| |
| 01:07.42 | npx | but it is neat |
| 01:07.53 | opnsrc | ext3 is a nice file system |
| 01:07.55 | pipeline | afabian: I'm afraid it's not. We could argue all day about say, XFS versus ext3. But ReiserFS versus anything else at all is just an open and shut issue. |
| 01:07.55 | opnsrc | better than NTFS |
| 01:08.02 | opnsrc | much faster and more stable |
| 01:08.02 | pipeline | afabian: ReiserFS is just goddamn terrible by any measurement. |
| 01:08.11 | Azar | hmm I am looking at firestarter screenshots, I am worried: do I need kde or gnome? I do not use any of them.. |
| 01:08.15 | pipeline | opnsrc: More stable than NTFS? hardly. |
| 01:08.22 | threat | yes I like ext3, its nice, but I also like reiserfs :) |
| 01:08.34 | opnsrc | yaeh reiserfs is good too |
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| 01:08.40 | Azar | will firestarter work with openbox only? |
| 01:08.41 | opnsrc | Yeah |
| 01:08.43 | npx | NTFS would be alright if it weren't for windows' insane file locking semantics |
| 01:08.55 | opnsrc | pipeline, NTFS was designed for third party applications not to be able to read it |
| 01:09.00 | opnsrc | Kinda like Word Documents |
| 01:09.05 | pipeline | opnsrc: Not true. |
| 01:09.08 | abrotman | pipeline: benchmarks are benchmarks |
| 01:09.11 | opnsrc | MS Word Documents |
| 01:09.14 | pipeline | abrotman: Synthetic benchmarks are not benchmarks at all. |
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| 01:09.24 | pipeline | abrotman: And Reiser4 eats shit and dies under synthetic loads, anyway :P |
| 01:09.32 | threat | NTFS can be read by third party applications, you just need to pay M$ alot of money in order to do that :) |
| 01:09.40 | opnsrc | I mean it took a while before they can get the Linux NTFS drivers to work properly with Linux |
| 01:09.48 | opnsrc | It's a terrible file system |
| 01:10.01 | opnsrc | exactly threat , that's another good reason why NTFS is a terrible file system |
| 01:10.06 | pipeline | opnsrc: Microsoft hates the Word format even more than third parties do; it was a mandate from above that the Word format be frozen at its final revision as of 1997. It's not that it was designed to be un-parseable: It was just hastily designed. |
| 01:10.31 | abrotman | designed? |
| 01:10.31 | pipeline | opnsrc: As for NTFS, Microsoft doesn't give a flying fuck about whether third parties can read and write or not. They just don't care at all. |
| 01:10.39 | threat | pipeline, as most of M$ formats and programs :) |
| 01:10.41 | pipeline | abrotman: Designed, congealed, what-have-you. |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:10.45 | opnsrc | that's what MS wants you to think |
| 01:10.49 | pipeline | threat: Shut. Up. Now. |
| 01:10.49 | opnsrc | Of course they care |
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| 01:10.54 | opnsrc | They care if you read their word documents too |
| 01:10.56 | threat | pipeline, :S |
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| 01:11.07 | pipeline | threat: http://img42.imageshack.us/my.php?image=m2nu.png |
| 01:11.20 | afabian | My secret shame is that I keep an emergency Windows XP partition. But if anyone else is in the same position, you should note that you can install it on FAT32! ;) |
| 01:11.22 | pipeline | opnsrc: Contrary to popular belief, Microsoft is not actually Satan. |
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| 01:11.47 | quittt | is there a Pac Man clone for Debian? |
| 01:11.50 | vulture | afabian: Most of us are probably aware of that, though my XP install is on NTFS |
| 01:11.55 | abrotman | probably .. apt-cache search pacman |
| 01:12.03 | threat | ok kernel is all compiled, BRB testing it out, wish me luck :) |
| 01:12.04 | opnsrc | Why do you think they tried to sue anyone who made other applications that can read MS Word documents. Then Georgia decided to go to an open source format and Microsoft decided to add (to their license) that they won't sue those who make third party applications that can read MS Word documents |
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| 01:12.09 | abrotman | !info pacman etch |
| 01:12.14 | vulture | pipeline: Oh, and here I was hoping I'd get to meet the Devil himself when I go to work at MS in a few months ;) |
| 01:12.23 | pipeline | vulture: I hear it's a great place to work, really. |
| 01:12.25 | threat | so which toystory character is etch? |
| 01:12.31 | opnsrc | It's in Digital Life TV (you can google it, I forget which episode it was on though) |
| 01:12.32 | pipeline | threat: The etch-a-sketch. |
| 01:12.35 | opnsrc | (like 20 or so) |
| 01:12.35 | abrotman | threat: the etchasketch? |
| 01:12.37 | vulture | pipeline: Likewise, which is one reason I'm going. |
| 01:12.39 | dpkg | pacman: (Chase Monsters in a Labyrinth), section games, is optional. Version: 10-15 (etch), Packaged size: 26 kB, Installed size: 300 kB |
| 01:12.39 | threat | pipeline, arh yes thats right :) thanx |
| 01:12.46 | pipeline | threat: I hope you die. |
| 01:12.46 | abrotman | vulture: are you going to fix stuff? |
| 01:12.51 | threat | pipeline, haha, why? |
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| 01:12.56 | threat | pipeline, so whats after etch then ? |
| 01:12.57 | vulture | abrotman: Mostly write new stuff, I believe. |
| 01:12.58 | pipeline | threat: Because otherwise you might breed. |
| 01:13.00 | opnsrc | MS does not want anyone reading their file formats and they make it very clear |
| 01:13.06 | threat | pipeline, indeed I may |
| 01:13.17 | abrotman | pipeline: careful .. don't want another +q :) |
| 01:13.29 | npx | the only reason to use NTFS is if you're using a windows OS |
| 01:13.29 | threat | pipeline, bbl |
| 01:13.34 | npx | and if you are, NTFS works really damn well |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | most days :) |
| 01:13.44 | pipeline | abrotman: I suspect that MLK day just brings out the worst of the internet because everyone has the day off. |
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| 01:13.48 | opnsrc | (In order to convince Georga not to switch over to an open source format) |
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| 01:14.11 | npx | every filesystem sometimes shits the bed |
| 01:14.11 | abrotman | pipeline: that's why i spent all day playing DQ VIII |
| 01:14.12 | azeem | pipeline: except for people not living in the US |
| 01:14.24 | npx | I wouldn't say NTFS is more prone to crashes than any other FS out there |
| 01:14.36 | opnsrc | exactly npx. NTFS is no good |
| 01:14.36 | fusionfox | can any one tell me how can i upgrade to SID, from the base system of debian =)?? |
| 01:14.37 | abrotman | azeem: surely there are lutherans in germany? |
| 01:14.44 | opnsrc | EXT3 rules. Anywho, does anyone know how to add address bars to Evolution Folders |
| 01:15.06 | pipeline | azeem: whois the channel. While many freenode servers are outside the U.S., most of the users are not. |
| 01:15.16 | azeem | abrotman: heh. I read this story about a german guy who tried to sell "Martin Luther hot dogs" in the US |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | that's wrong |
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| 01:15.30 | azeem | he barely survived the mob |
| 01:15.45 | abrotman | at least they weren't Holocaust Kosher hot dogs |
| 01:15.54 | pipeline | abrotman: extra crispy? |
| 01:15.58 | abrotman | wrong! |
| 01:16.39 | fusionfox | .. |
| 01:16.52 | azeem | abrotman: well, he was a faithful Lutherian and it didn't cross his mind that it might be offensive to black people |
| 01:17.00 | fusionfox | hello..?? from stable to unstable help? |
| 01:17.01 | abrotman | azeem: hehe .. |
| 01:17.09 | abrotman | fusionfox: if you have to ask .. we're not going to help you |
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| 01:17.32 | Malagmyr | fusionfox: if you need to ask about how to move from stable to unstable, your system is going to be very unstable indeed... |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | or rather .. everyone should know better! |
| 01:17.37 | unlearn | thnx adrakoa |
| 01:17.38 | pipeline | fusionfox: I think the joke is that most americans wouldn't know who "Martin Luther" was |
| 01:17.47 | fusionfox | abrotman if i could google from here i surely do =( instead of ask |
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| 01:18.02 | abrotman | fusionfox: unstable is not for casual users |
| 01:18.17 | Justin | fusionfox: you have one of those internet connections where you can use irc but not google? how interesting |
| 01:18.26 | Malagmyr | fusionfox: you're missing the point. if you need to ask, or google, about how to move to unstable, you don't know enough to use it. |
| 01:18.35 | fusionfox | abrotman i just want the repositories =) not opinions =D |
| 01:18.57 | abrotman | fusionfox: look .. we're telling you for your own good .. do NOT use unstable |
| 01:19.24 | fusionfox | abrotman i know what i am doing =Pm thats why i am asking for it =) |
| 01:19.27 | abrotman | it's not like it's a freaking geek club .. and you're only l33t if you can handle debian/unstable .. the thing breaks .. that's why people new to debian shouldn't use it |
| 01:19.30 | saskwach | Hi, I have a fresh install of testing on a compaq (I know, I know) with the i810 graphics chipset. X.org runs peachily, but my xterms are black on black. I tried running with -fg and -bg set, but to no avail. Any ideas? |
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| 01:19.41 | abrotman | fusionfox: you know what you're doing? .. but you don't know how to use unstable ? |
| 01:19.51 | Malagmyr | *sigh* |
| 01:19.59 | fusionfox | abrotman =D just need to change stable to unstable? |
| 01:20.07 | abrotman | wait .. he'll ask for experimental in five minutes |
| 01:20.17 | Daveman | Hi abrotman |
| 01:20.20 | fusionfox | and then apt-get dist-upgrade? |
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| 01:20.40 | abrotman | i'm not helping .. if you want to screw up your box .. do it on your own .. i don't want to be responsible |
| 01:20.44 | deuce868 | can someone point me toward some documentation for having postfix not log to /var/log/syslog so that logcheck is a bit cleaner? |
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| 01:20.56 | abrotman | deuce868: /etc/syslog.conf |
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| 01:21.15 | fusionfox | abrotman i wont make you responsible i just want a yes or no =P if i damage my box is my prob. |
| 01:21.41 | deuce868 | abrotman: Yea, having a hard time making sense of the syntax. The conf file has it logging to /var/log/mail.log, err, and info but I don't see why it still logs to /var/log/syslog |
| 01:21.45 | afabian | fusionfox, how is it that you're in a position to upgrade packages over a net connection but are unable to search the web? |
| 01:21.49 | abrotman | until you come back here and say "abrotman said it was ok .. where is that guy .. i'll turn him into a pancake!" |
| 01:22.15 | abrotman | deuce868: what kind of messages ? |
| 01:22.24 | fusionfox | afabian. well i am on debian sarge base system with xbitch only |
| 01:22.30 | deuce868 | every mail messages that comes in, checked, refused |
| 01:22.41 | abrotman | fusionfox: links is broken ? |
| 01:22.53 | fusionfox | saskwach thx |
| 01:22.57 | afabian | fusionfox, sarge is a fine release. I think you can work it out. Have you seen a counselor? |
| 01:23.01 | fusionfox | abrotman ??? what links? |
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| 01:23.13 | saskwach | oh man, oh man |
| 01:23.15 | abrotman | he'll have no problem running unstable |
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| 01:23.57 | SimonRaven | like he needs another hole in the head |
| 01:24.04 | jshriver | greetings, is it possible to recover the root password for MySQL? I'm not using i for anything. Worse case I can deinstall it and reinstall |
| 01:24.07 | fusionfox | afabian staying with what some others people have done is good but it is more good if you can compile your own kernel =P and make it yourself i honestly dont think unstable will be that hard.. even with the [ackage changing thingie |
| 01:24.14 | abrotman | jshriver: ask #mysql |
| 01:24.22 | jinke | hello everybody! |
| 01:24.30 | nima | anyone know where i can get a list of common linux commands and their functions |
| 01:24.41 | shad0w1e | question: I installed a very bare debian system using fluxbox, and it is still running EXTREMELY SLOW. How else can I try to speed things up.. Would tinkering with/downgrading the kernel help? Were talking about an MII-300 w/ 64 RAM |
| 01:24.42 | abrotman | with the "package changing thingie" |
| 01:24.45 | abrotman | flw anyone? :) |
| 01:24.46 | fusionfox | abrotman lol you mean the sources list links? |
| 01:24.46 | SimonRaven | !rutebook |
| 01:24.46 | dpkg | it has been said that rutebook is an excellent book to learn about GNU/Linux - apt-get install rutebook |
| 01:25.00 | sander_ | after running pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf .. then I get two board up.. when running /etc/init.d/isapnp start |
| 01:25.08 | saskwach | nima: google "common linux commands" |
| 01:25.09 | afabian | fusionfox, over-coming obstacles, researching, and fixing problems are skills that will serve you well if you plan to run unstable. Consider finding out how to get upgraded to unstable without anyone in this channel telling you how your first challenge. |
| 01:25.12 | johnblade | shad0w1e probably your ram is what is slowing you down |
| 01:25.25 | shad0w1e | johnblade, I understand, but fluxbox ought to run in 64! |
| 01:25.25 | sander_ | abrotman, this is the board I want to configure: Board 2 has Identity b6 ff ff ff ff 35 68 63 0e: CSC6835 Serial No -1 [checksum b6] |
| 01:25.41 | abrotman | sander_: i haven't used isapnp in a very very long time |
| 01:25.46 | nima | saskwach, |
| 01:25.51 | nima | saskwach, :-) |
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| 01:25.58 | afabian | fusionfox, in fact, it's going to be one of the easier ones. |
| 01:26.01 | jshriver | hrm |
| 01:26.02 | jshriver | brb |
| 01:26.10 | Coweater | nima: man intro |
| 01:26.11 | Chris62vw | my X won't work (fresh debian install). I am running "startx" and it dies with a "no screens found" error. any ideas? I think I typed in the monitor and card info correctly |
| 01:26.12 | fusionfox | afabian just wanted to make sure =) since my conection is very slow... when i get the unstalbe ill burn it on a cd and then start the research =) |
| 01:26.28 | sander_ | abrotman, ok.. but how do I know the soundcard is working?.. should alsamixer start without the error: alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory? |
| 01:26.38 | bcc | are there multiple ways to get software raid in linux? |
| 01:26.47 | sander_ | abrotman, or should I do something with alsamixer to get it working with the isa card? |
| 01:27.12 | MartianSpider | Chris62vw, is there an error just before "No screens found"? It might give you more of an idea what's wrong. |
| 01:27.14 | shad0w1e | Is it likely that my system will run faster using a 2.4 kernel over a 2.6 one? |
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| 01:27.16 | fusionfox | people here are smart and just take 5 secs to answer to my question dont know why they get so itchy to answer =P |
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| 01:27.28 | saskwach | Chris62vw, grep /var/log/Xfree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 01:27.32 | saskwach | er |
| 01:27.40 | saskwach | Chris62vw, grep /var/log/Xfree86.0.log EE |
| 01:27.49 | abrotman | sander_: uhm .. i've never used alsa with an isa card .. i used OSS until like a year ago :) |
| 01:28.04 | Chris62vw | MartianSpider, not sure, will look |
| 01:28.06 | Chris62vw | thanks saskwach, will do |
| 01:28.08 | abrotman | saskwach: backwards ? |
| 01:28.12 | afabian | shad0w1e, my system seemed noticably faster with 2.6... possibly because it's an i686 class machine and the libc6-686 package needs a 2.6 kernel to work. |
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| 01:28.26 | shad0w1e | afabian, this is a very old system |
| 01:28.27 | saskwach | abrotman, was it? I'm always doing that...I must be lysdexic or something |
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| 01:29.02 | worthy | can debian be installed in vmware? my friend is having a hard time with this |
| 01:29.03 | afabian | shad0w1e, i don't really know. just try them both and see, maybe? |
| 01:29.12 | adrakoa | dpkg rutebook interesting, thx |
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| 01:29.36 | abrotman | worthy: supposedly |
| 01:29.42 | abrotman | worthy: might want to ask #vmware |
| 01:29.45 | shad0w1e | afabian, how about custom building a kernel? |
| 01:29.48 | worthy | ok |
| 01:29.54 | npx | worthy, yeah it shouldn't be hard at all |
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| 01:30.02 | npx | sarge automagically detects everything |
| 01:30.10 | Chris62vw | looks like "no devices detected" is the error. I'll redo the X setup. thanks |
| 01:30.13 | worthy | he can't get a display |
| 01:30.13 | npx | then you click the 'install vmware tools' thing and mount /dev/cdrom and install them |
| 01:30.19 | shad0w1e | Im just surprised that fluxbox cant run decently in 64 ram when windows 98 can! |
| 01:30.25 | npx | yeah, you have to install vmware tools for X to work worth a shit |
| 01:30.27 | abrotman | fluxbox can |
| 01:30.33 | worthy | he can't see kde or startx rather |
| 01:30.37 | Chris62vw | fluxbox can hang just fine in even 32 megs of ram. |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | i used blackbox with a 486 and 36MB .. and it was fine |
| 01:30.52 | shad0w1e | so whys my box so slow? |
| 01:30.56 | worthy | ok |
| 01:30.59 | npx | worthy in all honesty he's probably better off using a native Win32 X server (Xming, Cygwin/X) |
| 01:31.11 | afabian | shad0w1e, I'd be surprised if you could get any noticable performance gains. I doubt it's impossible, but tweaking kernel data-structures to eek maximum performance out of a system isn't for mortals, IMHO. |
| 01:31.24 | worthy | he had cygwin before |
| 01:31.24 | shad0w1e | well I'm mortal |
| 01:31.25 | abrotman | !colinux |
| 01:31.25 | dpkg | well, colinux is http://colinux.org/. Cooperative Linux is the first working free and open source method for optimally running Linux on Microsoft Windows natively. More generally, Cooperative Linux (short-named coLinux) is a port of the Linux kernel that allows it to run cooperatively alongside another operating system on a single machine. For instance, it allows one to freely run Linux on Windows 2000/XP, without using a commercial PC virtualization ... |
| 01:31.27 | shad0w1e | heh |
| 01:31.28 | saskwach | shad0w1e, top? |
| 01:31.33 | npx | I like to use Xming in windowed mode, lets me run Konsole etc seamlessly within windows |
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| 01:31.44 | npx | CoLinux is nice, I wish they'd make the network configuration a bit easier |
| 01:31.47 | worthy | he has windows xp and wants to check out debian in vmware before installing it to his dual boot |
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| 01:32.10 | shad0w1e | so isnt colunix like cygwin? |
| 01:32.12 | shad0w1e | !cygwin |
| 01:32.12 | dpkg | Cygwin is a posix environment for windows, running (among many programs) bash and gcc. Availiable from http://sources.redhat.com/cygwin/mirrors.html, or for a fast mirror, use ftp://ftp.leguin.org.uk/pub/mirrors/cygwin |
| 01:32.20 | npx | no |
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| 01:33.15 | shad0w1e | argh! |
| 01:33.18 | npx | CoLinux is a _lot_ faster than vmware (an order of magnitude, easily) but it's more complicated to get running |
| 01:33.21 | shad0w1e | I guess I'll just "play around" |
| 01:33.30 | opnsrc | How do I add a pathbar to Gnome? |
| 01:33.33 | saskwach | Anyone have great fixes for the mysterious black on black with black cursor xterm? |
| 01:33.36 | shad0w1e | thanks people, cya |
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| 01:34.30 | abrotman | saskwach: use rxvt? :) |
| 01:34.37 | abrotman | opnsrc: wtf is a pathbar? |
| 01:34.38 | saskwach | I guess I'll try it |
| 01:34.38 | MartianSpider | saskwach, iirc you need to edit .Xresources. |
| 01:34.42 | opnsrc | Address bar |
| 01:34.43 | opnsrc | To the folders |
| 01:34.51 | abrotman | opnsrc: in nautilus ? |
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| 01:34.53 | opnsrc | The folders don't have an address bar in Gnome |
| 01:35.08 | saskwach | MartianSpider, .Xresources isn't even there. |
| 01:35.08 | opnsrc | I can type Ctrl+L to get one |
| 01:35.11 | opnsrc | But I want it like how the web browser is |
| 01:35.43 | MartianSpider | saskwach, it wouldn't be by default. |
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| 01:35.51 | abrotman | opnsrc: i'd suspect it's a gconf option . if there is one at all .. try #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 01:36.09 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 01:36.51 | MartianSpider | opensrc, Edit->Preferences->Behaviour->Always open in browser windows. |
| 01:36.56 | saskwach | MartianSpider, I'll look into that then, thanks. |
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| 01:38.21 | poser | how can I change the editor variable in terminal? |
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| 01:38.55 | de-almasy | hello, how do I enable pgsql support for php in debian? |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman | MartianSpider: he wants a URL/Location bar |
| 01:39.12 | abrotman | de-almasy: php4-pgsql |
| 01:39.27 | multi_io | poser: export EDITOR=some_editor |
| 01:39.40 | de-almasy | dpkg -l | grep php doesnt give me any pkg name with pgsql |
| 01:39.40 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep php doesnt give me any pkg name with pgsql |
| 01:39.46 | de-almasy | (or did i use wrong comamnd |
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| 01:39.58 | de-almasy | dpkg -l | grep php |
| 01:39.59 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep php |
| 01:39.59 | poser | thanks multi |
| 01:40.16 | bcc | what's the name of the package that has most utils like ls and mv statically linked? |
| 01:40.27 | MartianSpider | bcc, busybox |
| 01:40.27 | azeem | busybox |
| 01:40.36 | bcc | yeah. that one. thanks. |
| 01:40.41 | de-almasy | oh never mind, thanks abrotman |
| 01:40.42 | WiFiTux | Is there any way that I can check the optn portsw of a server that I'am at? |
| 01:40.43 | abrotman | de-almasy: that only shows installed ones .. you must install it |
| 01:40.46 | bcc | couldn't remember it :) |
| 01:40.55 | de-almasy | thanks abrotman, installing now. |
| 01:41.01 | WiFiTux | heh, open ports |
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| 01:41.29 | multi_io | how do I obtain a PPD file for a network printer shared by a windows server? |
| 01:41.35 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 01:41.35 | dpkg | somebody said open ports was netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
| 01:42.21 | johnblade | shad |
| 01:42.25 | johnblade | eek |
| 01:42.42 | WiFiTux | abrotman: problem is that i don't remember the port of the proxy... And is not listed there ... |
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| 01:43.01 | abrotman | should be |
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| 01:43.24 | bcc | hmm, there is a package busybox-static and also busybox. does busybox rely on some libs? |
| 01:43.42 | litage | after dist-upgrading to testing, rebooting doesn't start X. how can i get X to start when linux boots? |
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| 01:44.07 | multi_io | !ppd |
| 01:44.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppd is postscript printer description. See http://www.linuxprinting.org, or the docs for lpr, lprng, pdq, cups, or whatever the hell printing system you use. |
| 01:44.28 | saskwach | litage, you want a display manager, like xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, etc. |
| 01:44.31 | MartianSpider | bcc, it depends on libc. |
| 01:44.46 | WiFiTux | \ |
| 01:44.49 | bcc | MartianSpider: ok, cool. and i'm assuming -static does not need anything. right? |
| 01:44.58 | litage | saskwach: i reinstalled kdm, but [ctrl]+alt+F7 and ps show that there's nothing on tty7 |
| 01:45.06 | MartianSpider | bcc, that's right. |
| 01:45.12 | saskwach | litage, there's also the chance that your X broke when you dist-upgraded, check your X error log. |
| 01:45.52 | bcc | MartianSpider: thanks. could you tell me what's the reason for having a non-static package in the first place? isn't the point of busybox to be something that's used if you lost or need to change libc? |
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| 01:46.14 | MartianSpider | bcc, I have no clue, sorry. |
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| 01:46.20 | bcc | MartianSpider: ok. cool. |
| 01:46.25 | mhall | whaddup all? |
| 01:46.33 | SperMite | this dont look right does it? linux-2.6.14 linux-headers-2.6.12-1 linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686-smp |
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| 01:46.46 | litage | saskwach: how should i try starting X/kdm again? (kdm's currently running) |
| 01:46.55 | mhall | SperMite: what's the problem you have got bro? |
| 01:47.02 | WiFiTux | abrotman: I'm not root. Any other way? ;-( |
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| 01:47.34 | chealer | litage: /etc/init.d/kdm restart |
| 01:47.36 | saskwach | litage, kill kdm, see if startx gives you any useful information |
| 01:47.40 | saskwach | or that |
| 01:48.18 | SperMite | mhall i try to compile some stuff into my kernel and it tells me to remove patch 2.6.14.1 but i already removed it? |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | WiFiTux: nmap from another machine ? |
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| 01:48.21 | mhall | SperMite: that's a bit unusual |
| 01:48.28 | WiFiTux | abrotman: how is that? |
| 01:48.29 | mhall | SperMite: *patch* 2.6.14.1 ? |
| 01:48.36 | SperMite | mhalll yes |
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| 01:49.37 | abrotman | nmap IP ? |
| 01:49.55 | WiFiTux | ok |
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| 01:50.22 | meriad_ | my terminal isnt refreshing properly for some reason.. everytime i type ac ommand i have to change terminals to view the output of the command i just entered.. |
| 01:50.23 | meriad_ | irc is ok.. |
| 01:50.27 | meriad_ | web is ok... |
| 01:50.33 | Azar | question: do I need kde or gnome to use firestarter? |
| 01:50.39 | meriad_ | but everthing else i have to switch terminals constantly to view the updates.. like the screen refreshing isnt working |
| 01:50.40 | Chris62vw | I run sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and I can't tell where the config file goes |
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| 01:50.48 | Chris62vw | its like it's not even saving the information anywhere |
| 01:50.56 | abrotman | Chris62vw: /etc/X11/<somefile.. depends on sarge/etch/sid> |
| 01:50.57 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | oh duh |
| 01:51.04 | azeem | eh, XFree86-4 |
| 01:51.04 | Chris62vw | yeah but it's not ending up there |
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| 01:51.09 | Chris62vw | I run the command as root |
| 01:51.10 | mhall | *oof* |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | !tell Chris62vw about xmd5 |
| 01:51.22 | Chris62vw | I type "ls". it's not in /etc/X11. I've been there the whole time looking around |
| 01:51.23 | Chris62vw | will read |
| 01:51.35 | Chris62vw | aha! |
| 01:51.38 | Chris62vw | that bastard ;-) |
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| 01:52.21 | litage | saskwach: starting kdm gives this error in daemon.log: X server for display :0 can't be started, session disabled |
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| 01:52.38 | jshriver | any easy cli way to set the time/date using ntpd? |
| 01:52.44 | litage | saskwach: /var/log/XFree86.0.log isn't modified when starting kdm |
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| 01:53.13 | WiFiTux | jshriver: use ntp? |
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| 01:53.39 | saskwach | litage, try running startx and see if it gives you anything useful |
| 01:54.02 | litage | saskwach: should i run startx as root or non-root? |
| 01:54.31 | jshriver | hrm man ntp yields info but ntp doesnt run hrm |
| 01:54.41 | jshriver | ntp: command not found |
| 01:54.44 | saskwach | litage, non-root |
| 01:54.45 | Chris62vw | how do I uninstall a package? thanks |
| 01:54.53 | Chris62vw | I thought it was apt-cache deinstall (something) |
| 01:55.05 | saskwach | Chris62vw, apt-get remove |
| 01:55.08 | Chris62vw | thanks |
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| 01:55.15 | saskwach | Chris62vw, or, if you're feeling lucky, use aptitude |
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| 01:56.06 | saskwach | !locate |
| 01:56.15 | saskwach | heh, sorry...wrong keyboard |
| 01:56.15 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 01:56.38 | WiFiTux | ./home/WiFiTux found |
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| 01:58.06 | litage | saskwach: it seems that the link /etc/X11/X points to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 but the target doesn't exist =P |
| 01:58.40 | saskwach | litage, well...that must be your problem...did you install X.org where your XFree86 used to live? |
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| 02:00.13 | SerajewelKS | litage: apt-get remove xserver-xorg xserver-xfree86; apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 02:00.15 | interalia | anyone using nvidia-glx debs on an amd64 box? the most recent package I can see for amd64 is broken (it Provides: xserver, so apt wants to remove xserver-xort) |
| 02:00.20 | interalia | s/xort/xorg/ |
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| 02:01.42 | litage | saskwach: i just dist-upgrade'd from stable to testing |
| 02:01.43 | bucky | interalia: have you asked in #debian-amd64 ? |
| 02:01.57 | aldug | in debian woody, how do you execute a single script on machine startup, there is no /etc/rc.d/rc.local like in redhat |
| 02:02.09 | aldug | I want to manually load a kernel module and run a perl daemon |
| 02:02.21 | saskwach | litage, yeah, that'll do it. Do that thing SerajewelKS said. |
| 02:02.30 | litage | aldug: /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 02:02.37 | litage | k, trying that |
| 02:02.37 | croddy | aldug: add the kernel module to the list in /etc/modules |
| 02:02.58 | aldug | croddy: what about running a perl daemon, I just want to execute a command without writing a full blown initscript |
| 02:03.01 | stew | aldug: add the kernel module to /etc/modules ; and either write a init script for the daemon using /etc/init.d/skeleton as a starting point or /msg dpkg bootmisc |
| 02:03.04 | aldug | what happened to rc.local? |
| 02:03.13 | croddy | aldug: rc.local is a redhatism, sorry |
| 02:03.22 | stew | !bootmisc |
| 02:03.23 | dpkg | i guess bootmisc is where you put miscellaneous stuff you want to run at boot but can't be bothered making an init script for. /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
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| 02:03.51 | saskwach | hah, rgb.txt: file exists but cannot be read...silly me |
| 02:03.54 | croddy | really, though, writing an initscript is not so bad on debian, what with start-stop-daemon |
| 02:03.59 | primate | anyone know what may cause my dhcp discover to fail intermittantly after install nvidia drivers? |
| 02:04.03 | destr0__ | does sarge have a command line x config utility? |
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| 02:04.26 | croddy | destr0__: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:04.34 | litage | saskwach, SerajewelKS: dpkg failed to purge xserver-xorg, but xserver-xfree86 was purged. where can i find the post-removal script? |
| 02:04.34 | primate | tried stable, testin and unstable all with the same results |
| 02:04.52 | croddy | saskwach: /var/lib/dpkg/info/packagename.postrm |
| 02:05.01 | croddy | err litage |
| 02:05.18 | saskwach | croddy, hehe, I thought you were pointing me at rgb.txt for a sec |
| 02:05.26 | croddy | sorry :-) |
| 02:05.35 | saskwach | no worries |
| 02:05.50 | litage | awesome, thanks croddy |
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| 02:06.52 | mhall | shit i made the mistake of fixing a time inaccuracy in the middle of a make build and so now make is sore at me |
| 02:06.52 | abrotman | primate: perhaps a problem with the nvidia driver eh ? |
| 02:07.01 | mhall | don't ever fucking do that |
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| 02:07.15 | Vooloo | What is the process of doing ns1.domain.com being the real DNS server, and then having another domain ns1.domain2.com point to the same? |
| 02:07.16 | primate | abrotman |
| 02:07.26 | abrotman | primate |
| 02:07.39 | primate | tried both the debian driver(non-free using Module assistant) and the proprietary |
| 02:07.44 | primate | all same results |
| 02:07.50 | mhall | litage: </troll> ;-) |
| 02:07.55 | litage | hah |
| 02:07.59 | croddy | primate: i suspect that your dhcp problem is not related to the nvidia module at all then |
| 02:08.02 | ootput | anyone recently installed mplayer from marillat for sid? |
| 02:08.06 | Jeaton | would debian be good for an offline box? |
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| 02:08.17 | primate | croddy, it only happens immediately after nvidia install |
| 02:08.21 | primate | nothing else |
| 02:08.22 | abrotman | Jeaton: how offline is offline ? |
| 02:08.27 | croddy | that's very weird |
| 02:08.28 | primate | though maybe acpi was culprit |
| 02:08.29 | Jmax | where do i report an debian-apache logrotate.d configuration bug? |
| 02:08.34 | primate | but no |
| 02:08.40 | abrotman | Jmax: reportbug |
| 02:08.44 | chealer | primate: it's the same driver. there's just a sane and an insane way to install it |
| 02:08.52 | Jmax | abrotman, eh? |
| 02:08.53 | saskwach | whoops, time to restart X |
| 02:08.56 | primate | doesnt fail all the time either, dhcp will config eth0 sometimes |
| 02:08.59 | abrotman | !reportbug |
| 02:08.59 | dpkg | methinks reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian BTS. install reportbug, then run reportbug. |
| 02:09.03 | primate | sometimes not |
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| 02:09.21 | litage | saskwach, SerajewelKS: xserver-xorg failed to be purged. should i [re]move /etc/X11/ or leave it? |
| 02:09.58 | Jeaton | abrotman - not networked to anything |
| 02:10.02 | Jeaton | for now, anyway |
| 02:10.02 | mhall | how do i kill something in X if xkill didn't kill it and i don't know what it is? |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | Jeaton: ever? |
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| 02:10.16 | croddy | personally i would not choose debian for such a box |
| 02:10.29 | ootput | mhall: can't you ps aux for the proc name? |
| 02:10.30 | abrotman | why not .. debian/stable rarely changes except for security |
| 02:10.30 | croddy | that's not to say it wouldn't work out well |
| 02:10.40 | Jeaton | abrotman - not until I get a router |
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| 02:10.55 | roby | http://sathas.dyndns.org/stuff/ss.png -- why is the blue colour different in xterm from aterm? How do I get that blue colour in aterm? Both are running bash |
| 02:11.06 | mhall | ootput: well i don't knw what the process is called |
| 02:11.09 | ootput | roby: that'd rely on .Xdefaults |
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| 02:11.16 | mhall | ootput: that's why i wanted to xkill it |
| 02:11.25 | ootput | mhall: how do you know it exists? high cpu usage? |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | roby: iirc .. the term defines part of the color scheme .. echo $LS_COLORS |
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| 02:12.02 | dutch_ | Anybody in here use Azureus for their client? |
| 02:12.10 | ootput | roby: like definitions found here: http://metawire.org/~ootput/confs/dot.Xdefaults |
| 02:12.12 | abrotman | what kind of client? |
| 02:12.19 | dutch_ | Bittorrent. |
| 02:12.21 | croddy | dutch_: yes |
| 02:12.23 | ootput | as a bt client |
| 02:12.42 | dutch_ | Do you know off the top of your head where the "resume torrents on opening" option is? |
| 02:12.44 | dutch_ | I can't seem to find it. |
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| 02:13.12 | croddy | dutch_: i believe that is a default setting. i can't remember ever having to set it. are you sure it's not just rescanning the files? |
| 02:13.23 | dutch_ | not sure, no. |
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| 02:13.35 | croddy | give it a few minutes |
| 02:13.39 | dutch_ | I just recently fixed all of the options to how I want them. |
| 02:13.45 | dutch_ | And am now afraid to close it. |
| 02:13.58 | roby | ootput: abrotman: thank you |
| 02:14.00 | dutch_ | Lest I loose all the downloads currently going like last time, until I find this option. |
| 02:14.21 | croddy | dutch_: nothing to fear. just right click the notification icon and select 'start all downloads' |
| 02:14.23 | ootput | dutch_: doesn't bt work better without multiple source files? |
| 02:14.37 | Azar | I will take the ignore as a NO |
| 02:15.04 | dutch_ | Where's the notification icon? |
| 02:15.07 | meriad_ | so does anybody have any ideas about my refresh problem? |
| 02:15.08 | dutch_ | System tray icon? |
| 02:15.11 | croddy | yes, that |
| 02:15.16 | interalia | bucky: nope, thanks for that. |
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| 02:15.29 | dutch_ | Thanks guys. |
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| 02:15.36 | Azar | err as a YES |
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| 02:15.59 | magyar | is there any issues with the new xserver-xorg for sid? |
| 02:16.02 | litage | etch is testing? |
| 02:16.06 | Azar | maybe I could wait until tommorow, another day... |
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| 02:16.41 | SimonRaven | !btssmite magyar |
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| 02:16.59 | magyar | :) |
| 02:17.46 | npx | transformers: the movie still owns you all |
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| 02:18.45 | meriad_ | hey..my screen doesnt refresh probably, I type a command like ps -aux and i have to hit alt f2 and alt f1 to switch back to that terminal to see the results of the previous command.. |
| 02:18.47 | meriad_ | any ideas? |
| 02:18.48 | croddy | !seen transformers |
| 02:18.48 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'transformers', croddy |
| 02:19.07 | ke6isf | meriad_: 'reset'? |
| 02:19.11 | Pollywog | is that a new movie? |
| 02:20.03 | abrotman | ctrl-l ? |
| 02:20.05 | SimonRaven | woohoo |
| 02:20.08 | magyar | SimonRaven: i had no choice at the time its either sid or nada |
| 02:20.23 | Pollywog | nada? |
| 02:20.35 | Pollywog | is that what will come after sid? |
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| 02:20.43 | magyar | SimonRaven: and sid was kool until the recent change |
| 02:20.54 | SimonRaven | there, happy? now go see the BTS |
| 02:20.59 | SimonRaven | has been r* |
| 02:21.07 | penguin__ | I just did dist-upgrade and I can no longer shut down the computer from the desktop???? |
| 02:21.11 | ke6isf | !tell Pollywog -about sid |
| 02:21.17 | abrotman | penguin__: gnome ? |
| 02:21.21 | penguin__ | yes |
| 02:21.23 | ke6isf | penguin__: What did you dist-upgrade from/to? |
| 02:21.27 | penguin__ | Feature not there no more |
| 02:21.33 | penguin__ | I am using testing. |
| 02:21.34 | SimonRaven | ohnoz!!!1?!1!///!?? |
| 02:21.37 | abrotman | penguin__: must edit your /etc/gdm/gdm.conf .. SecureSystemMenu=false |
| 02:21.48 | penguin__ | Thank you |
| 02:21.58 | Pollywog | I know Sid I don't know "nada" |
| 02:22.06 | penguin__ | Cant wait to start using base |
| 02:22.08 | croddy | Pollywog: "nada" is spanish for "nothing" |
| 02:22.14 | Pollywog | k thanks |
| 02:22.41 | croddy | de nada |
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| 02:23.12 | ke6isf | croddy: Well, it certainly is accurate to say there's nothing after Sid... |
| 02:23.15 | meriad_ | ok, back.. anyhow did anybody see my problem before.. |
| 02:23.15 | penguin__ | isnt it se nada |
| 02:23.19 | croddy | ke6isf: experimental |
| 02:23.29 | ke6isf | croddy: Well, OK, maybe not so accurate. |
| 02:23.32 | abrotman | meriad_: ctrl-l perhaps ? |
| 02:23.33 | meriad_ | i have to switch from alt f1 to alt f2 and back to alt f1 to see the outputs of the command i would originally input onto terminal 1 |
| 02:23.38 | ke6isf | meriad_: Try 'reset'? |
| 02:23.42 | meriad_ | abrotman: i tried that and crtl r |
| 02:23.42 | croddy | meriad_: are you using a framebuffer console? |
| 02:23.48 | meriad_ | croddy: im not sure |
| 02:23.52 | meriad_ | croddy: how can i tell? |
| 02:24.12 | magyar | is there a bts for xorg? |
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| 02:24.29 | croddy | meriad_: unless you've set a vga=??? argument in your bootloader, you are most likelynot |
| 02:24.43 | meriad_ | croddy: i wouldnt know ho wto tell i havent used linux in a while |
| 02:24.59 | litage | i removed the 1600x1200 options in xorg.conf, restarted kdm, and logged into kde successfully. however, the mouse doesn't work |
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| 02:25.33 | npx | litage, i hate to be the one to have to break this to you, but god hates you =( |
| 02:25.42 | abrotman | or at least his computer |
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| 02:25.54 | meriad_ | croddy: it works to the end of the screen, then i have to switch terminals.. |
| 02:26.00 | roby | What is a command line tool to do dec, bin hex conversions? |
| 02:26.03 | destr0__ | how do you install the kernel source with debian |
| 02:26.08 | abrotman | roby: bc ? |
| 02:26.08 | meriad_ | croddy: it seems it doesnt refresh terminals correctly, or hvae the screenlength set up properly.. |
| 02:26.40 | roby | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:26.52 | croddy | meriad_: do you have svgatextmode installed? |
| 02:26.56 | relic | screenlength? ha ha |
| 02:26.59 | meriad_ | croddy: maybe lemme check |
| 02:27.14 | meriad_ | croiddy: no |
| 02:27.32 | meriad_ | croddy: im apt-getting it right now |
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| 02:27.59 | meriad_ | croddy: ok installed, now what |
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| 02:28.25 | croddy | meriad_: i was going to suggest that you uninstall it if you had it installed. |
| 02:28.33 | litage | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.03 | meriad_ | croddy: it jst verbosed some errors that might indicate my problems though =] |
| 02:29.05 | abrotman | or /dev/input/mice |
| 02:29.25 | meriad_ | croddy: possibly no, or very slow clock (vertical refresh) |
| 02:29.34 | meriad_ | croddy: less than 1hz |
| 02:29.37 | Pollywog | I got an advisory about some new PERL security packages, but when I compiled them I got lots of "not found" errors so I am not sure the packages I made are any good |
| 02:29.54 | meriad_ | croddy: so any ideas |
| 02:29.57 | meriad_ | croddy: how to fix that |
| 02:30.00 | croddy | meriad_: i am out of ideas |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | Pollywog: compiled them? |
| 02:30.09 | Pollywog | yes |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:30.15 | meriad_ | darn |
| 02:30.25 | ke6isf | !wayc Pollywog |
| 02:30.25 | dpkg | Pollywog: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 02:30.26 | Pollywog | abrotman because I am running Xandros |
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| 02:30.33 | croddy | hahahahahha |
| 02:30.34 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Well, what are you doing here then? |
| 02:30.39 | abrotman | Pollywog: then go freaking ask #xandrox |
| 02:30.42 | abrotman | #xandros |
| 02:30.58 | Pollywog | well I also have a Debian system |
| 02:31.06 | Pollywog | wanted to do the same thing there |
| 02:31.29 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Well, you need support for you Xandros system, right? They can ehlp you with it, not us. It's like asking Ford to help you with your Toyota because you have a Ford, also. |
| 02:31.31 | Vooloo | Is it technically possible to make a dns point ns1.domain2.com to ns1.domain1.com with some kind of alias or what it's called, so you can use ns1.domain2.com in whois entries? What is it called? DNS-forwarding, dns-alias? |
| 02:31.53 | abrotman | ask #dns |
| 02:31.59 | Pollywog | okay I won't ask about Xandros here then :) |
| 02:32.06 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Thank you. |
| 02:32.12 | stoned | why does ubuntu exist? |
| 02:32.20 | Vooloo | abrotman: tried |
| 02:32.26 | stoned | fucking piece of shit makes no sense whatsoever |
| 02:32.40 | talisein | you must not be a human being then |
| 02:32.44 | talisein | I guess :) |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | stoned: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:32.55 | stoned | abrotman: ask #ubuntu what? |
| 02:33.02 | abrotman | stoned: why they exist :) |
| 02:33.02 | talisein | why it exists |
| 02:33.02 | Pollywog | I would not have even installed Xandros on that machine but the system broke the day Sarge was released |
| 02:33.03 | ke6isf | stoned: Ask it why it exists. We don't know. |
| 02:33.11 | croddy | it exists because sid does not crash enough for some folks |
| 02:33.14 | Pollywog | it won't accept Debian anymore |
| 02:33.16 | stoned | ke6isf: they don't know either |
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| 02:33.23 | ke6isf | !they don't know |
| 02:33.23 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 02:33.34 | ke6isf | =^_^= |
| 02:33.39 | talisein | nice |
| 02:33.45 | relic | talisein, support -> extend -> control |
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| 02:33.49 | npx | #debian is for porn |
| 02:33.54 | opnsrc | How can I use the env command just to view the path |
| 02:33.55 | opnsrc | ? |
| 02:34.04 | relic | ? |
| 02:34.08 | npx | ? |
| 02:34.13 | relic | ?? |
| 02:34.15 | npx | ? |
| 02:34.15 | croddy | env |grep ^PATH ? |
| 02:34.17 | opnsrc | sorry |
| 02:34.18 | meriad_ | so nobody has any further info on my scren problem |
| 02:34.21 | stoned | opnsrc: env|grep PATH |
| 02:34.22 | meriad_ | croddy :( |
| 02:34.25 | Pollywog | did anyone else experience problems with Sarge the very day sarge was released? |
| 02:34.29 | talisein | relic, ? |
| 02:34.31 | carlb | hi, quick question: what is the accepted way to deactivate init.d scripts so they do not start up on reboot? |
| 02:34.42 | croddy | meriad_: you might also try switching the "use kernel framebuffer device" in your x configuration. but that is a long shot |
| 02:34.44 | npx | or you could just use $PATH |
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| 02:34.48 | Pollywog | I had two systems that were fine until the day sarge was released |
| 02:34.51 | abrotman | !tell carlb about update-rc.d |
| 02:34.53 | meriad_ | croddy im not using X |
| 02:34.57 | relic | talisein, the reason |
| 02:34.58 | Azar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:35.07 | carlb | thank you abrotman |
| 02:35.14 | opnsrc | Thanks |
| 02:35.16 | talisein | relic, oic |
| 02:35.35 | Pollywog | but my old laptop still runs Sarge just fine |
| 02:35.35 | Azar | Pollywog: some people avoid saying: I am dumb , instead they prefer to say: the system is broke |
| 02:35.53 | Pollywog | Azar: no I just did an upgrade |
| 02:36.02 | Pollywog | then reinstalled, same result |
| 02:36.09 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Software doesn't just break hardware. What stopped working when Sarge came out? |
| 02:36.13 | stoned | #debian does not discuss debian based distros? I'm not asking technical help. |
| 02:36.13 | Pollywog | I think it is actually crappy hardware |
| 02:36.22 | ke6isf | stoned: No, we don't. |
| 02:36.24 | Azar | Pollywog: same here I updated from Woody to Sarge and it the best I had so far |
| 02:36.25 | ke6isf | !debian based |
| 02:36.25 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 02:36.32 | Pollywog | ke6isf: I got pages of disk access errors |
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| 02:37.13 | ke6isf | Pollywog: And you didn't in Xandros? What changed between installations, other than the distro? File system? |
| 02:37.28 | Pollywog | ke6isf: nothing was changed |
| 02:37.31 | stoned | is there beef with you and people using debian to base other distros on? |
| 02:37.58 | ke6isf | stoned: No, we just don't support it. It's because there are enough differences that it stops actually being Debian. |
| 02:37.58 | stoned | im just trying to find out why there is such a huge hype about ubuntu, someone gave me a free copy of the cd, i used it and it sucked, thats about it. just curious geez |
| 02:37.59 | stoned | ya' |
| 02:38.10 | stoned | ya'll are like NAZIs on this |
| 02:38.10 | stoned | heh |
| 02:38.11 | croddy | stoned: they like it because it is brown |
| 02:38.12 | npx | it dilutes the usefulness of this channel as a forum for DEBIAN users to seek help |
| 02:38.13 | Azar | stone, I guess not is just people wanting to run Debian get frustrated and vent at it sometimes |
| 02:38.14 | Pollywog | stoned: try Debian sarge |
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| 02:38.17 | ke6isf | !godwin stoned |
| 02:38.20 | ke6isf | fsck. |
| 02:38.29 | ke6isf | stoned: Godwin's Law applies. You lose the argument. |
| 02:38.32 | npx | we don't go to #ubuntu and ask questions |
| 02:38.41 | stoned | ke6isf: argument? |
| 02:38.48 | stoned | you misunderstand me |
| 02:38.49 | stoned | :( |
| 02:38.56 | konfuzed | hey there, my brain is having trouble working out the best option for setting permissions on a custom website install. and the conundrum is that this site's base directory is in the users home dir like ~user/site.com/ which then contains cgi-bin html securedata and logs. this whole branch of the file systems is owned by apache:www but I also want to enable the specified ~user to have full rwx |
| 02:38.58 | Azar | Pollywog: this is #debian channel and 99% already run it or have runned it before going up to testing and unstable |
| 02:39.06 | IsoosI | I'm trying to figure out how under debian you're supposed to set environmental variables for X11 apps. |
| 02:39.29 | IsoosI | since ~/.profile isn't run until you start a login xterm |
| 02:39.29 | Pollywog | Azar: I have used Debian for 8 yrs or so, I just look like a newbie :) |
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| 02:39.46 | parsonsd | stoned: too many ppl use something based on debian, that the stuff is no longer debian, and too different. those people come to #debian, ask lots of questions that it becomes quikly off=topic. |
| 02:39.49 | konfuzed | without enabling the users in the www group to access site from all users in the www group. how do I make this work properly |
| 02:39.50 | abrotman | it's .bash_profile |
| 02:40.05 | Azar | Pollywog: I like sarge the only thing I avoid is the Sarge installer |
| 02:40.26 | Pollywog | Azar: I used a netinstall CD |
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| 02:40.35 | IsoosI | abrotman, Sure, but that won't be run until you start a login xterm either. gui apps aren't normally run from an xterm so they don't get their environment set |
| 02:40.37 | Azar | Pollywog: I use Woody CD |
| 02:40.45 | Pollywog | like I said everything was fine until I did the dist-upgrade |
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| 02:40.58 | stoned | parsonsd: yes, I KNOW WHY and I agree totally. All i'm saying is, don't jump on people's ass when they mention anything but debian. |
| 02:40.59 | Pollywog | then I did a fresh install and got the same result |
| 02:41.03 | Azar | it looks like the Sarge installer took the hard ways of the original installer and made it more harder for a newbie |
| 02:41.15 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Curious, did you reformat the partitions when you did the reinstall? |
| 02:41.17 | Dewi | I have a sarge system here, started off with exim (as you'd expect). Then I installed postfix, and now aptitude is offering to remove "courier-base" and "courier-authdaemon" because they are no longer used. Anyone know why I'd even have courier stuff? Does it come by default like exim? |
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| 02:41.30 | xaltar | does anyone know a spiffy way to append year id3 info onto the album id3tag using easytag? |
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| 02:41.34 | stoned | is there a way to add a network drive to an lvm? |
| 02:41.39 | Pollywog | I think perhaps the disk drive was the problem and yes I reformatted everything on that Samsung drive |
| 02:41.59 | Pollywog | because the errors were all related to disk access |
| 02:42.07 | ke6isf | stoned: We don't jump on peoples' ass, as you put it, until they start complaining that they aren't getting, say, Ubuntu support from us. We've already told you why we don't, now quit fucking defending them, because there's no point. |
| 02:42.08 | Dewi | for some reason aptitude doesn't seem to know what courier-authdaemon used to be a dependancy of. |
| 02:42.12 | Azar | Pollywog: I installed Woody CD#1 then continued online with apt set to "stable'...and voila: Sarge |
| 02:42.18 | Pollywog | does samsung make crappy hard drives? |
| 02:42.23 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Yes. |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | everyone makes crappy HDDs |
| 02:42.32 | Pollywog | oic well that might explain it |
| 02:42.41 | stoned | ke6isf: you are a single minded stubborn fool |
| 02:42.54 | parsonsd | stoned: sorry -- but i figure that most people who are regulars to #debian get tired of hearing the same thing, or figure that it is just faster to both sides to have a quick answer and be-damn the lace making it sound nice |
| 02:43.01 | ke6isf | !ops stoned |
| 02:43.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: stoned |
| 02:43.02 | abrotman | stoned: please stop trolling .. debian derived distros are offtopic here |
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| 02:43.14 | stoned | YES BUT YOU CAN SAY IT NICELY INSTEAD OF LIKE AN ASSHOLE. |
| 02:43.16 | stoned | :( |
| 02:43.19 | abrotman | i just did |
| 02:43.20 | helix | umm |
| 02:43.22 | stoned | thanks |
| 02:43.24 | helix | ok everyone calm down please |
| 02:43.26 | stoned | now chill |
| 02:43.27 | stoned | damn |
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| 02:43.36 | stoned | yes calm.. ooommmm |
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| 02:43.44 | talisein | We will now all recite verse from Stallman 3:16... |
| 02:43.50 | Azar | no need to jump at others.. |
| 02:44.02 | abrotman | talisein: i think stoned would prefer 4:20 |
| 02:44.13 | parsonsd | talisein: thanks, but i won't. |
| 02:44.14 | Dewi | heh |
| 02:44.21 | Pollywog | stoned: isn't there an ubuntu channel? |
| 02:44.23 | ke6isf | RMS is scary... |
| 02:44.24 | Dewi | we are all nazis in here though, right? |
| 02:44.25 | Dewi | I mean |
| 02:44.29 | Dewi | I'm here for the facism |
| 02:44.31 | stoned | Pollywog: let it go dog |
| 02:44.34 | Dewi | I assumed you all were too |
| 02:44.35 | Pollywog | k |
| 02:44.40 | Pollywog | dog? |
| 02:44.48 | abrotman | Pollywog: and there's a xandros channel |
| 02:44.52 | Azar | stoned used to be ok, I guess he is having a hard life today |
| 02:44.53 | stoned | now down on me for the way I speak |
| 02:45.01 | konfuzed | so maybe my brain just hurts to much but is it better to add teh ~user to the www group and then set full group permissions to rwx ll the way down or does that just enable web visitors to abuse the www group and see all users directories that have been set to group www even when that would not normally fall under an html document root? |
| 02:45.07 | Pollywog | abrotman: yes there is so I won't mention them here again |
| 02:45.19 | talisein | facism is so twentyth century. nowadays its all about the cabal |
| 02:45.23 | Dewi | stoned: you seemed to have a problem with us talking like nazis |
| 02:45.34 | croddy | well i see this channel is very busy |
| 02:45.34 | helix | Dewi: stop antagonizing him... |
| 02:45.44 | stoned | Azar: im feeling fine, I'm alright. Dewi, im not even gonna bother sir |
| 02:45.45 | stoned | :) |
| 02:45.56 | ke6isf | croddy: You're not missing much. |
| 02:45.59 | konfuzed | i really want to ensure that Im not createing a larger security whole by setting up real users as part of the www group |
| 02:46.01 | ke6isf | Dewi: Dude, /ignore works wonders. |
| 02:46.04 | Dewi | helix: it seems we're all fine |
| 02:46.09 | helix | good, good |
| 02:46.13 | helix | then I won't have to ban any of you |
| 02:46.19 | Dewi | ke6isf: nah I'm cool, I love a bit of godwin |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | i wouldn't go that far :) |
| 02:46.22 | helix | since you're all well-behaved members of the community :) |
| 02:46.35 | opnsrc | Is Synaptic located in /usr/local/sbin |
| 02:46.35 | ke6isf | helix: Moi?! =^_^= |
| 02:46.36 | croddy | i am having a problem with firefox. it segfaults at startup time. if i blow away ~/.gnome* and ~/.gtk* ~/.gconf*, and log in again, it will run. eventually it stops working again. any ideas? i am running sid on amd64. |
| 02:46.37 | opnsrc | ? |
| 02:46.39 | Azar | yup life goes on.. lets resume |
| 02:46.46 | ke6isf | opnsrc: 'which synaptic'? |
| 02:46.51 | opnsrc | SPM |
| 02:46.58 | SimonRaven | croddy: file a bug |
| 02:47.05 | helix | err |
| 02:47.05 | Dewi | croddy: urgh. gnome. Set up a cron job to prune those dirs :) |
| 02:47.12 | helix | croddy: actually, check for bugs before you file a new one... |
| 02:47.27 | Dewi | I know I find myself regularly deleting all that crap |
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| 02:47.32 | helix | though I'm using sid + amd64 and having no problems |
| 02:47.33 | abrotman | croddy: did you check the bts ? |
| 02:47.35 | croddy | SimonRaven: i am not sure what package to file it on, though. it does not seem to be a problem with firefox. |
| 02:47.49 | croddy | there is nothing in the BTS on firefox |
| 02:47.56 | helix | mozilla-firefox? |
| 02:47.58 | abrotman | mozilla-firefox ? |
| 02:47.59 | croddy | it was, of course, the first place i went :-) |
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| 02:48.05 | croddy | no, the package is called firefox now |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | check mozilla-firefox |
| 02:48.22 | Pollywog | anyone seen that new Debian book ? |
| 02:48.28 | Pollywog | the no-starch one |
| 02:48.33 | abrotman | there are a few newer debian books |
| 02:48.37 | konfuzed | any help on the proper way to keep clean permission sets in this picture would be super appreciated I'd love to hear alternatives for giving this one user access permissions to this site |
| 02:48.44 | abrotman | Pollywog: written by Mr. Krafft ? |
| 02:49.01 | SimonRaven | helix: i check before filing, it comes as a matter of course with reportbug as you know |
| 02:49.06 | Pollywog | abrotman: I don't recall the author name but it is a No-Starch Press book |
| 02:49.19 | konfuzed | Pollywog: I looked in that new debian book but they didnt mention anything about resolving my permissions conflict problem |
| 02:49.20 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 02:49.25 | stoned | I am having a strange problem, I run etch, and I have 866mhz p3 proc., and its using the linux-image-2.6.12-1-386. Randomly within a few days, it will load my network drivers, but there is no route to host. I start in recovery mode, and networking is good. I reboot into regular mode, and no networking. I reboot with recovery again, still no networking, I had to reinstall debian about 5 times in the past week because of this. |
| 02:49.29 | helix | SimonRaven: I don't expect all users to be aware of reportbug, personally |
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| 02:49.44 | opnsrc | synaptic package manager |
| 02:49.46 | karsten | helix: File a bug against them ;-) |
| 02:49.58 | Pollywog | it looked to be mostly about how to make debian packages, not the usual sysadmin stuff |
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| 02:50.17 | karsten | Pollywog: Martin Krafft's? It's excellent. |
| 02:50.26 | Pollywog | hi karsten ltns |
| 02:50.27 | karsten | Pollywog: ... mostly 'coz I'm in the acks ;-) |
| 02:50.27 | SimonRaven | helix: no i know, that's why i'm glad you caught my goof |
| 02:50.33 | konfuzed | stoned: I seem to have a similar unexplained issue with the biult on motherboard lan port I have |
| 02:50.34 | stoned | what could be going on, I know my network card is fine, no problems with that. |
| 02:50.40 | nrdb | I am trying to install openoffice.org-draw etc. and openoffice.org-help-en at the same time and synaptic wont let me! why? |
| 02:51.02 | talisein | stoned, have you run ethtool tests on your card? |
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| 02:51.13 | stoned | talisein: i didn't know they existed |
| 02:51.15 | karsten | nrdb: It's telling you, or should be. |
| 02:51.15 | abrotman | Tallia1Kubuntu: please use #kubuntu |
| 02:51.19 | SimonRaven | oh no |
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| 02:51.35 | karsten | nrdb: You want to find its reasons / conflicts dialog. I prefer aptitude FWIW. |
| 02:51.43 | konfuzed | stoned: currently after I reboot I have to ifdown eth1 ifup eth1 in order for routing to take place |
| 02:51.43 | talisein | yeah, check out the documentation |
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| 02:52.09 | SperMite | what command is it 2 patch a kernel? |
| 02:52.10 | konfuzed | it seems that on boot DHCP does not deliver but then ifdown ifup enganges the dhcp |
| 02:52.10 | stoned | konfuzed: I do that too, I remove the kernel modules and install them again, and ifup and still nothing. |
| 02:52.16 | karsten | SperMite: 'patch' |
| 02:52.23 | stoned | konfuzed: i dont' use dhcp |
| 02:52.29 | Pollywog | is there a computer seller that sells systems with Debian preinstalled? |
| 02:52.35 | Dewi | stoned: I've got a dodgy shitty gigabit NIC that sometimes fails to start for no reason |
| 02:52.41 | terr | I have an ssh question... does ssh provide the rsh capability in a transparent fashion? I'm looking at doing a remote tar to a SCsI tape drive mounted on a remote machine. I'd like to configure this for ssh |
| 02:52.41 | konfuzed | this is for the 2 eth port which is actually a USB but the worst part is the on board lan |
| 02:52.48 | karsten | Pollywog: Monarch IIRC. Linspire ;-) |
| 02:52.57 | konfuzed | which even on static setttings will not route to the gateway no matter what |
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| 02:53.02 | Dewi | stoned: I assumed it was just crappy hardware, possibly combined with a less than sympathetic module |
| 02:53.05 | abrotman | i don't think monarch does anymore .. though i could be wrong |
| 02:53.05 | karsten | terr: Google 'ssh forced commands' |
| 02:53.06 | stoned | does anyone donate me some rent money? |
| 02:53.15 | Pollywog | but Linspire is not Debian |
| 02:53.17 | stoned | want to* |
| 02:53.20 | helix | stoned: please stop being silly and off-topic |
| 02:53.21 | abrotman | stop getting stoned .. you'll have more money |
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| 02:53.33 | ahattar | hi all |
| 02:53.47 | Dewi | abrotman: well, you should stop... abroting... men. |
| 02:53.48 | konfuzed | odd it spontaneously came back to life and was picking up dhcp again and behaving fine which only last about 3 weeks before mysteriously vanishing once again |
| 02:53.55 | Pollywog | I figure if I buy one with Debian installed, I won't have the problems I had when sarge waqs released |
| 02:53.56 | Dewi | abrotman: and then maybe you'd... er... nevermind. |
| 02:53.56 | terr | abrotman: ya - good point. My kid is a "poor" university student. He just bought a house. |
| 02:54.01 | stoned | helix: playfullness == stressfree |
| 02:54.02 | abrotman | karsten: all i can find is fedora and suse .. maybe it's only on certain models |
| 02:54.11 | abrotman | terr: my brother did that |
| 02:54.18 | terr | abrotman: in uni? |
| 02:54.19 | Azar | helix o/t here but I am curious how I could make contrib to this server.. |
| 02:54.22 | helix | stoned: I'm sure you can find more appropriate playgrounds... :) |
| 02:54.23 | karsten | abrotman: Could be Old News then. A buddy bought Monarch a ways back. |
| 02:54.25 | helix | Azar: hrm? |
| 02:54.31 | Azar | fundraiser |
| 02:54.31 | stoned | helix: this isn't a playground |
| 02:54.32 | abrotman | terr: he and a friend got sick of paying rent .. bought a row house in pittsburgh :) |
| 02:54.37 | helix | stoned: exactly |
| 02:54.43 | stoned | helix: whats your point? |
| 02:54.45 | helix | Azar: uhh, I have no idea what you're talking about |
| 02:54.46 | Pollywog | I will google for this Monarch |
| 02:54.50 | karsten | Pollywog: you can almost certainly get it from one of the Linux houses, but you'll pay for the privilege. |
| 02:54.51 | stoned | im honestly confused |
| 02:54.53 | helix | stoned: that this isn't a playground so please play elsewhere |
| 02:55.00 | stoned | oh |
| 02:55.02 | ahattar | any idea if pci express works with sarge? |
| 02:55.03 | helix | Azar: do you mean freenode? |
| 02:55.08 | Azar | helix yes |
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| 02:55.14 | terr | abrotman: good for him! my kid didn't get his friends involved tho. He bought it himself |
| 02:55.14 | Pollywog | yes I suspect it will cost more |
| 02:55.22 | abrotman | Azar: freenode.net should have details about donating |
| 02:55.22 | helix | Azar: #freenode would be the place to ask, I don't know anything about that stuff |
| 02:55.25 | konfuzed | Pollywog: I can sell you a box with debian installed on it if you want |
| 02:55.33 | Azar | thanks helix |
| 02:55.33 | Dewi | does sarge have courier-base installed by default? |
| 02:55.35 | delire | anyone else here notice flashplugin breakage upgrading to firefox-1.5 on a testing/unstable system? |
| 02:55.42 | Dewi | I can't work out why I had it |
| 02:55.44 | SperMite | karsten so if my patch is in my /home folder i would do : Devin:/usr/src/linux-2.6.15# patch /home/newjunk/patch-2.6.15 |
| 02:55.45 | Dewi | er, have it |
| 02:55.50 | konfuzed | base installs are free of course or included but customization time is extra |
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| 02:56.04 | karsten | SperMite: Right, modulo patch options. |
| 02:56.10 | stoned | what the difference between the testing and unstable |
| 02:56.15 | Shadda | ok, I need some advice |
| 02:56.21 | karsten | SperMite: You'll want an appropriate 'p' value. |
| 02:56.23 | delire | stoned: the names are fairly suggestive |
| 02:56.25 | Shadda | I need to setup a system with my FTP... |
| 02:56.29 | SimonRaven | diff -u testing upstable |
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| 02:56.31 | Dewi | stoned: packages move into testing after a time delay, and after a lack of release critical bugs |
| 02:56.33 | karsten | SimonRaven: Know any other useful bot type deals? |
| 02:56.35 | abrotman | !releases |
| 02:56.35 | dpkg | from memory, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
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| 02:56.42 | SimonRaven | (i'll get back to you on that) |
| 02:56.44 | stoned | hmm |
| 02:56.47 | Shadda | When a regular user logs into the ftp server, it should take up to a predefined upload directory. he should not receive a list of files.. |
| 02:56.48 | Shadda | Next |
| 02:56.52 | Shadda | Any file he does upload |
| 02:56.52 | helix | delire: IME they're not that clear -- some people think testing is the least stable of them, and unstable is the interim phase... |
| 02:56.59 | Shadda | needs to be run through a script and tagged with his username |
| 02:57.02 | helix | (non-debian users, I think) |
| 02:57.04 | delire | helix: really? gosh |
| 02:57.05 | helix | ke6isf: yay |
| 02:57.11 | Shadda | Anyone know a way to accomplish that? |
| 02:57.14 | helix | delire: well, I may just have stupid coworkers ;) |
| 02:57.25 | SimonRaven | cow-orkers |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | do you work with PHBs? :) |
| 02:57.33 | Dewi | helix: a lot of people seem to get quite worked up about the 2 day or so delay in security fixes, that occurs normally only on testing |
| 02:57.40 | karsten | SimonRaven: Ork your own cow! |
| 02:57.46 | Dewi | helix: so you do get people saying testing is the least reliable |
| 02:57.49 | stoned | i run unstable on my laptop, it hasn't crashed even since i installed it, not even an application. its been about two weeks |
| 02:58.03 | helix | Dewi: yeah, but I meant in terms of stability of the actual packages |
| 02:58.11 | stoned | i run kde3.5 on it, with full bloatware |
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| 02:58.22 | delire | stoned: unstable is for idiots like me that over the course of several years choose to become dependent on bleeding edge packages (albeit particularly relating to graphics programming libraries). |
| 02:58.27 | helix | stoned: didn't you just say you've had to install debian like 5 times in the past week? |
| 02:58.33 | Dewi | helix: well, my testing breaks fairly often, but the repairs are usually quite well-defined and I'm up and running in a few hours. |
| 02:58.35 | karsten | SimonRaven: ... btw, do you know what it is that's generating the dontexist.org stats? |
| 02:58.40 | stoned | helix: i don't have just one machine |
| 02:58.43 | helix | Dewi: hum |
| 02:58.43 | ke6isf | helix: I shall come from this endeavor enlightened. |
| 02:58.49 | SimonRaven | Piggy |
| 02:58.52 | karsten | SimonRaven: pisg. |
| 02:58.55 | helix | ke6isf: or mindfucked? hard to tell the difference at times |
| 02:58.55 | Dewi | helix: I've never run sid so I don't know if it's worse |
| 02:58.58 | SimonRaven | yes |
| 02:59.00 | helix | especially as it relates to perl ;) |
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| 02:59.03 | delire | stoned: debian is really about it's stable branch. running either testing or ustable is intended for developers or idiots. |
| 02:59.13 | ke6isf | helix: No, mindfucked is what happens when you pick up "INTERCAL for Dummies". =^_^= |
| 02:59.16 | SimonRaven | or crazy people |
| 02:59.19 | meriad_ | hmm |
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| 02:59.26 | delire | SimonRaven: yes, or wild crazy people |
| 02:59.29 | stoned | delire: stable is usually outdated software |
| 02:59.32 | helix | ke6isf: is " for Dummies" redundant..? |
| 02:59.42 | stoned | delire: thus my reason for moving to testing/unstable |
| 02:59.43 | Dewi | delire: there are many who think that focus needs to shift |
| 02:59.48 | stoned | I ran sarge until it froze last year |
| 02:59.48 | peterS | depends on your definition of a dummy |
| 02:59.54 | Dewi | delire: at least if we insist on taking YEARS for each stable release |
| 02:59.55 | peterS | as with most pejoratives it's extremely subjective |
| 02:59.57 | ke6isf | helix: Depends, I suppose. They have a Dummies book on everything now, including sex - and if you can't figure that out.... |
| 02:59.58 | SimonRaven | stable has stable s/w. outdated is subjective |
| 02:59.59 | helix | INTERCAL for mannequins? |
| 03:00.08 | delire | stoned: if you want a bleeding edge debian-based desktop then choose a derivative like Ubuntu or Xandros |
| 03:00.08 | helix | ke6isf: I think I saw one on making soy milk |
| 03:00.19 | Dewi | delire: personally I'd like to see the focus on testing increased, and keep stable like it is now |
| 03:00.28 | karsten | ke6isf: They've got a name for species that can't... |
| 03:00.32 | Dewi | delire: personally I think it's a workstation / server divide |
| 03:00.33 | stoned | delire: what makes them different from the same version numbers of software in unstable? |
| 03:00.34 | karsten | ke6isf: ... extinct. |
| 03:00.38 | ke6isf | helix: They have one for cats. It's easy without the book - something goes wrong, "vet". |
| 03:00.46 | delire | Dewi: so would i, but i've wanted that since Potato, and anyway it's not Debian's core focus - wisely. |
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| 03:00.52 | stoned | delire: for example, why would I want to run ubuntu with latest software, when i can do it with debian unstable |
| 03:00.57 | ke6isf | karsten: Indeed. Dr. Ruth probably should have stayed out of that one, if it weren't for the hedonistic aspects of it. |
| 03:00.58 | helix | ke6isf: and otherwise "they pwn you" |
| 03:01.08 | stoned | or xandros or anything elkse for that mattter |
| 03:01.09 | peterS | so does 'sex for dummies' just have a single page with a single sentence, "Please don't"? |
| 03:01.13 | helix | hahaha |
| 03:01.15 | talisein | because ubuntu isn't in the middle of an ABI transition |
| 03:01.16 | ke6isf | helix: Oh yes. |
| 03:01.26 | Dewi | talisein: ? |
| 03:01.26 | crin | Howdy all |
| 03:01.33 | talisein | that was to stoned :) |
| 03:01.36 | Dewi | talisein: ABI? |
| 03:01.40 | konfuzed | Shadda: You'll want to use vsftp for your ftp scenario. if the settings arent built in to allow what you want I believe you can have vsftp process a script for you. Or you may be best off with a webpage interface for your custom approach to handling and logging |
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| 03:01.51 | Dewi | talisein: something about binary interfaces? |
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| 03:02.10 | ke6isf | peterS: No, it's a lot more extensive. It actually tells you how to get jiggy with it, how to deal with kids, how to explain the two-backed beast to kids, etc. |
| 03:02.14 | Pollywog | does Dr Ruth do Linux now? |
| 03:02.14 | delire | stoned: ask that in #Ubuntu i would say. Debian is far more flexible than Ubuntu frankly, but from a desktop user's perspective, Ubuntu is 'sensible'. i dislike using both Gnome and KDE on a daily basis, and enjoy the flexibility of Debian, hence why i stick with it. |
| 03:02.14 | helix | are we still in the middle of an ABI transition? I'm so tired of them that I've begun ignoring them :| |
| 03:02.23 | peterS | helix: not really, we're at the tail end of it |
| 03:02.25 | ke6isf | peterS: The only reason I know this stuff is because I glanced at the back of the book. |
| 03:02.32 | stoned | delire: you were the one who suggested ubuntu... |
| 03:02.34 | talisein | Dewi, yeah, sid has been transitioning to gcc 4.0, and KDE/GNOME/All the important libraries were being upgraded too |
| 03:02.36 | Shadda | konfuzed, thanks for the reccomendation :) And I intend to allow web uploads, aswell, but since I'm expecting files greater than 10mb |
| 03:02.37 | crin | I'm having a problem with pacman |
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| 03:02.39 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Probably not.... |
| 03:02.41 | Shadda | http wouldn't be the best choice |
| 03:02.43 | delire | stoned: correct, and i'd suggest it again. |
| 03:02.58 | stoned | delire: nah, I think im good with sid |
| 03:03.01 | peterS | helix: it's one of those tail ends that promises to sort of fade away over a period of *months* because it just isn't important enough |
| 03:03.05 | stoned | i'll stick to it until it breaks my laptop |
| 03:03.06 | Dewi | talisein: there do seem to have been a few "revolutions". The udev and hotplug badness is fresh in my mind. |
| 03:03.06 | Pollywog | I think Martha Stewart should do a Linux program |
| 03:03.07 | croddy | crin: eat one of the large yellow pills. it will protect you from the ghosts |
| 03:03.10 | Dewi | talisein: I wonder if things will settle down now |
| 03:03.16 | helix | peterS: right, that must be why I assumed it *had* to be over by now |
| 03:03.17 | crin | :: Synchronizing package databases... |
| 03:03.17 | crin | warning: failed to get filesize for current.db.tar.gz |
| 03:03.17 | crin | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:03.18 | peterS | helix: much to the consternation of the "NNN RC bugs OMG" people |
| 03:03.20 | crin | thats the error |
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| 03:03.24 | ke6isf | Pollywog: Well, yeah. It's a good thing(TM)! |
| 03:03.28 | helix | peterS: heh |
| 03:03.40 | abrotman | isn't there another ABI transition coming? |
| 03:03.41 | talisein | Dewi, I think it will soon. I don't see myself moving any of my boxes to sid though. |
| 03:03.41 | ke6isf | crin: Don't flood the channel, please. |
| 03:03.46 | peterS | abrotman: not that I can think of |
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| 03:03.52 | stoned | my other question: is there a way to add a remote system's drive to an LVM |
| 03:03.52 | konfuzed | stoned: ubuntu is not for running servers, even though it can, its for safe and supported desktop environments that out do microsoft and largely gear to the non techie as a path to learn to be somewhat self supported end user |
| 03:03.56 | abrotman | i thought after the current one in testing there was another coming |
| 03:04.03 | peterS | abrotman: there are minor ABI transitions all the time, but typically they only affect like a dozen packages at once, so nobody really thinks about them |
| 03:04.04 | helix | they're like hurricanes |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | maybe they just kind of ran together :) |
| 03:04.15 | peterS | helix: ha. 'Transition Agnes'? |
| 03:04.18 | helix | word up |
| 03:04.25 | helix | we should start naming them like that, don't you think? |
| 03:04.25 | stoned | helix: i escaped one of them recently |
| 03:04.34 | helix | I'll suggest it to vorlon ;) |
| 03:04.37 | peterS | abrotman: there's a minor upheaval on the horizon related to libfreetype6, but I don't really understand it |
| 03:04.42 | peterS | helix: definitely |
| 03:04.46 | stoned | my family's house was torn up |
| 03:04.48 | abrotman | peterS: isn't that fonts? |
| 03:04.51 | stoned | hurricanes suck |
| 03:04.52 | delire | helix: really my only waking terror with debian is an ABI transition. |
| 03:05.02 | peterS | abrotman: it's a font library, but since it's a library, it has the potential to upset other packages |
| 03:05.12 | abrotman | peterS: i don't understand the fascination with fonts to begin with :) |
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| 03:05.30 | abrotman | !tell cupid about root |
| 03:05.30 | peterS | abrotman: you read, right? |
| 03:05.33 | helix | delire: I'm not terribly afraid of them since I upgrade so seldom |
| 03:05.35 | peterS | abrotman: fonts are kind of important for that (: |
| 03:05.37 | helix | usually they're completed by then ;) |
| 03:05.42 | delire | helix: wise ;) |
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| 03:05.58 | abrotman | peterS: yes .. but i don't understand why someone just "has to have this really cool font called Uber-l33t-font-2.56" |
| 03:06.13 | delire | abrotman: perhaps they are a typesetter, graphic designer? |
| 03:06.16 | konfuzed | Shadda: you can increase your web page based file transfer size in many ways and should always be password protected but the main point being is that if vsftpd does not do what you want you will have to look into an alternative beyond standard ftp such as web page base. thats about your two options here |
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| 03:06.20 | peterS | abrotman: font technology is so far behind the times in linux it's not even funny. catching up to Windows 95 would be great |
| 03:06.21 | talisein | abrotman: I think it has to do with a lack of GNU/Free fonts, that its been hard to get a free set that has fonts that people can actually use |
| 03:06.21 | karsten | abrotman: Graphic artists. |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | delire: i wasn't aware linux was a great OS for any kind of activity of that nature |
| 03:06.39 | delire | peterS: bah rubbish. |
| 03:06.41 | karsten | abrotman: ... and good fonts *are* pretty cool. Tufte's phone book examples are sweet. |
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| 03:06.45 | helix | we should use something like the default windows 95 font |
| 03:06.45 | Shadda | konfuzed, I know I can increase the transfer size, but I don't want to....resume is the key word here |
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| 03:06.50 | peterS | abrotman: well, we may have caught up to windows 95, but seriously, the availability of quality fonts and font renderers is still in a state of chaos in linux |
| 03:06.51 | karsten | peterS: How 'zactly is i we're behind? |
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| 03:07.01 | deadcat | !zactly |
| 03:07.03 | karsten | peterS: Win95 didn't IIRC antialias or smooth. |
| 03:07.05 | abrotman | peterS: it's not the font rendering .. just the lack of fonts |
| 03:07.08 | peterS | karsten: mainly quality fonts, but also patent-encumbered font rendering technologies we therefore can't really use |
| 03:07.09 | rredd4_ | I am installing deb 31r1, i am not going to install server stuff. Do I really need all 14 cd's? |
| 03:07.21 | delire | abrotman: my wife does plenty. i do some. it's application specific. font antialiasing in Gnome for instance, is considered superior by many to Apple machines. |
| 03:07.22 | abrotman | !d-i rredd4_ |
| 03:07.22 | dpkg | rredd4_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:07.39 | peterS | karsten: also, ease-of-management of fonts. that includes syncing print systems with display systems, and stuff like that. very crufty even to this day |
| 03:07.40 | abrotman | delire: i tried playing with inkscape ... i have 14 fonts .. yay! :) |
| 03:07.42 | helix | apple fonts look blurry to me |
| 03:07.45 | SimonRaven | delire: indeed. |
| 03:07.48 | helix | but I like the shape |
| 03:07.49 | delire | abrotman: each to their own. |
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| 03:08.10 | abrotman | delire: i'm sure if you're doing graphic art work .. the lack of fonts in linux is upsetting .. |
| 03:08.21 | Gnea | !beer abrotman |
| 03:08.22 | peterS | client-side font rendering has gone a long way toward solving the awkwardness of font management, to be sure |
| 03:08.29 | karsten | peterS: IMO *display* is pretty decent these days, for antialias, cleartype stuff. |
| 03:08.34 | abrotman | Gnea: more! |
| 03:08.38 | peterS | server-side rendering seems awfully clever until you notice how many things it makes harder |
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| 03:08.47 | Tallia1Kubuntu | abrotman: shut up |
| 03:08.49 | konfuzed | rredd4_: grab the nextwork install cd it is just one disc and gives you the best setup for everything you need |
| 03:08.49 | Gnea | abrotman: heh, have you read the new GPL draft yet? |
| 03:08.50 | delire | sitting a gnome desktop next to an OSX machine is increasingly embarassing for the latter in the font rendering. the gnome folk have done their homework. |
| 03:08.58 | karsten | peterS: management still pretty much totally sucks, mostly 'coz I can't keep up with what's current. So long as they're packaged, I can deal. |
| 03:09.01 | SimonRaven | my partner was a typesetter, she used to do it the old way (not really old) with cards and typing in commands for layout and such |
| 03:09.02 | Gnea | who let Tallia1Kubuntu back in? |
| 03:09.05 | deadcat | karsten: did you email me your vim thing yet? |
| 03:09.06 | abrotman | Tallia1Kubuntu: did you finalyl install Debian ? |
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| 03:09.19 | delire | SimonRaven: wow. that i'd like to see. |
| 03:09.27 | Jmax | i'm sure this is in an faq somewhere, but there are plenty -_- -- where are the .deb files to delete? and is it safe to? |
| 03:09.35 | abrotman | Jmax: apt-get clean |
| 03:09.35 | peterS | Jmax: /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:09.37 | delire | Jmax: apt-cache clean |
| 03:09.40 | Jmax | ok thx |
| 03:09.45 | karsten | deadcat: Sorry, that box died. |
| 03:09.46 | peterS | Jmax: but as they say, apt-get clean and apt-get autoclean do it for you |
| 03:09.52 | deadcat | karsten: doh. |
| 03:09.52 | peterS | Jmax: anyway, yes it is safe to delete them by hand if you really want |
| 03:09.55 | rredd4_ | konfuzed: I am dl'ing it on my machine, to put on my gf's machine. She has dial-up |
| 03:09.58 | Jmax | alrighty |
| 03:09.58 | karsten | deadcat: /msg me your address. |
| 03:10.00 | delire | Jmax: or yes, see /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 03:10.08 | meriad_ | anyone here have Shaw? |
| 03:10.09 | karsten | deadcat: ...and I was just replying to your message when it happened. |
| 03:10.12 | SimonRaven | the way she described the computer she worked on it sounds like an old mainframe or something. "room sized" |
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| 03:10.21 | delire | SimonRaven: hehe |
| 03:10.23 | peterS | SimonRaven: heh, indeed |
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| 03:10.53 | konfuzed | rredd4_: so you can either download more than you need via multiple cds or only download what you install with the network install cd |
| 03:10.54 | abrotman | SimonRaven: was it a newspaper ? |
| 03:10.56 | Gnea | this is quite interesting - any new work derived from anther piece of software that has any sort of interface will require that the GPL be displayed at launch time, or if the program has some sort of menuing system, that it be available as an option... I can see it now: help->GPL |
| 03:11.21 | SimonRaven | abrotman: yeh, but more of a tabloid than newspaper ;) |
| 03:11.22 | peterS | Gnea: a lot of software already has Help->About and a mechanism to display the GPL there |
| 03:11.22 | konfuzed | but the dial-up network might be a snag in terms of the isntaller setting that up properly |
| 03:11.29 | abrotman | SimonRaven: ewwww |
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| 03:11.39 | karsten | deadcat: Done. |
| 03:11.40 | konfuzed | iv enever actually done that with dial-up |
| 03:11.45 | delire | Gnea: this i'm not so sure about. particularly the wording of the DRM clauses also. |
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| 03:12.07 | peterS | delire: the DRM stuff could have been *so* much worse though. I was dreading that bit |
| 03:12.08 | deadcat | karsten: xxxcellente |
| 03:12.08 | delire | Gnea: what "other software" are they talking about, binary, third party software? they should be clearer there. |
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| 03:12.09 | rredd4_ | konfused: me either, and i don't want to... too sloooowwww |
| 03:12.12 | Gnea | delire: yeah, the DRM thing raised an eyebrow here as well |
| 03:12.14 | delire | peterS: i agree |
| 03:12.19 | konfuzed | rredd4_: google for a dial-up install debian |
| 03:12.27 | delire | Gnea: quite cryptic isn't it? |
| 03:12.30 | peterS | delire: along with 7(d), the web services bit |
| 03:12.32 | aalex | hi. I am looking for a software to download an entire web site (links-wise). Any idea ? |
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| 03:12.37 | konfuzed | rredd4_: if your downloading the cds with dial up as well |
| 03:12.39 | Gnea | delire: 5.[2] is a good read nonetheles |
| 03:12.41 | Gnea | +s |
| 03:12.42 | delire | peterS: haven't got that far. will read now. |
| 03:12.45 | peterS | aalex: you want wget with appropriate options |
| 03:12.50 | karsten | deadcat: You now know everything I can't spell. |
| 03:12.50 | rredd4_ | konfused: really... hmmmmm brb |
| 03:12.52 | konfuzed | rredd4_: then your shortest time online downloading is with the network install |
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| 03:12.56 | delire | Gnea: it's great, don't get me wrong. a tingle up the spine at times. |
| 03:13.00 | aalex | peterS : really ? cool |
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| 03:13.12 | Gnea | delire: i predict mailing lists will flood with the topic soon |
| 03:13.13 | deadcat | karsten: me too. i have a abbr.vim file |
| 03:13.18 | SimonRaven | as you can imagine, she was rather upset (for a while anyway) when DTP came out, and any old person with a peecee could do it; now she writes and does web publishing mostly |
| 03:13.21 | Gnea | delire: hehehe |
| 03:13.25 | peterS | aalex: note that you can't, in general, mirror a web site using just HTTP. it only works correctly for static content |
| 03:13.28 | konfuzed | rredd4_: I did not say you will get results from google on that but it is the way to find out |
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| 03:13.43 | deadcat | karsten: 7.0 has spellcheck (= |
| 03:13.49 | peterS | Gnea: yeah, debian-legal already has a nice thread going |
| 03:13.58 | Tarantulafudge | whats gdlib called on debian? |
| 03:14.02 | karsten | deadcat: Get. Out. |
| 03:14.06 | peterS | Gnea: I think I count only two times it has been declared non-free so far |
| 03:14.09 | delire | peterS: are you on that list? |
| 03:14.18 | karsten | deadcat: 6.4 here |
| 03:14.18 | Gnea | peterS: ROFL |
| 03:14.26 | Tarantulafudge | quickly! lol |
| 03:14.27 | peterS | delire: nah, I checked http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/ earlier just out of curiosity |
| 03:14.28 | deadcat | karsten: nah. 7.0 dude. its not out yet though |
| 03:14.30 | helix | peterS: oh dear -- message-ids? |
| 03:14.36 | peterS | delire: basically to see how long it would take them to call it non-free |
| 03:14.36 | SimonRaven | peterS: aesp. gnome apps |
| 03:14.38 | delire | peterS: i was thinking about joining. looks heavy going for daily use ;) |
| 03:14.39 | karsten | deadcat: Just telling you what I've got. |
| 03:14.45 | delire | peterS: hehe |
| 03:14.46 | peterS | helix: dunno, it was pretty early in the thread |
| 03:14.47 | SimonRaven | peterS: but you see it more in kde stuff now |
| 03:14.56 | helix | I wonder if maynard was one of them |
| 03:14.57 | karsten | Pollywog: So where do I know you from? |
| 03:15.05 | peterS | helix: I think he might've been, but I forget who said what |
| 03:15.10 | Seb | my right windows key is indeed defined as a multi_key through xmodmap, yet I cnnot create accetns with it... This used to work, so I'm puzzled... |
| 03:15.11 | helix | I'll check |
| 03:15.12 | delire | have to love debian-legal. they are brutally clear. |
| 03:15.17 | helix | the thread is much shorter than I thought it would be |
| 03:15.18 | nrdb | I am trying to install openoffice.org-writer, persume openoffice.org-help-en is the help package for openoffice? |
| 03:15.23 | Tarantulafudge | anyone?? |
| 03:15.32 | karsten | nrdb: Yes. |
| 03:15.36 | deadcat | karsten: how does it know when the FileType is mail? |
| 03:15.40 | peterS | helix: well, some of the messages, at least, are a bit long |
| 03:15.51 | peterS | helix: even so, for 12 hours in the wild you'd think there'd be more thread, yeah |
| 03:15.55 | helix | it's easy to spot the kooks on -legal by now |
| 03:15.55 | nrdb | karsten, why can't they both be installed at the same time? |
| 03:15.56 | Gnea | oh wow, i didn't realize there was an event in boston right now |
| 03:15.57 | karsten | deadcat: mutt sets it. You can pass args to vim including 'ft=foo'. |
| 03:16.01 | helix | I'll check the ones who raise my suspicions ;) |
| 03:16.11 | Pollywog | karsten: maybe I mistook you for the karsten on the Debian lists |
| 03:16.13 | karsten | nrdb: they conflict. What release? |
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| 03:16.22 | zolack | how to set up openoffice2.0 for spellcheck? when i check 'tools', i find 'spellcheck' ticked. but it won't alert me to any misspelled word in my doc. |
| 03:16.23 | karsten | Pollywog: Should be the same. |
| 03:16.30 | deadcat | karsten: cool. perldoc\ -q dont look good. can i ="perldoc -q" ? |
| 03:16.45 | karsten | deadcat: You need to escape spaces. |
| 03:16.52 | nrdb | karsten, 2.0.0-5 the latest |
| 03:16.53 | karsten | deadcat: ... I'm not sure that one works right though. |
| 03:16.53 | Pollywog | karsten: the guy with the insteresting sig |
| 03:16.53 | deadcat | damn |
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| 03:17.08 | karsten | Pollywog: "What part of 'gestalt' don't you understand?" |
| 03:17.15 | Pollywog | karsten: yes |
| 03:17.17 | karsten | deadcat: ... I was just adding it. |
| 03:17.19 | Pollywog | that's it |
| 03:17.20 | peterS | that's he |
| 03:17.21 | karsten | Pollywog: Tis me. |
| 03:17.29 | Pollywog | and your sense of humor |
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| 03:17.33 | deadcat | karsten: man 24 was good (= |
| 03:17.41 | litage | is it okay to use packages from backports.org on testing? |
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| 03:17.48 | karsten | deadcat: ? |
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| 03:17.59 | karsten | Pollywog: Heh. Thanks ;-) |
| 03:18.00 | deadcat | karsten: tv show. i guess you dont watch it. |
| 03:18.02 | peterS | litage: what do you mean "okay"? we don't mind, and most should work |
| 03:18.03 | ejofee | how do i make sound available in... two accounts at the same time? |
| 03:18.08 | SimonRaven | Seb: i set the stupid thing as compose, works better |
| 03:18.13 | Pollywog | I never understood what Gestalt was ;) |
| 03:18.14 | karsten | deadcat: Ah. I figured you meant a manpage ;-) |
| 03:18.17 | peterS | ejofee: adduser user1 audio; adduser user2 audio |
| 03:18.21 | deadcat | ejofee: you have crappy sound card. |
| 03:18.26 | deadcat | karsten: hahaha |
| 03:18.32 | helix | peterS: some of these read like ebay comments |
| 03:18.39 | ejofee | deadcat: and is there no solution for this? |
| 03:18.41 | helix | A+++++ WOULD REGISTER PROGRAM UNDER GPLV3 AGAIN! |
| 03:18.41 | peterS | helix: would buy from FSF again? |
| 03:18.45 | SimonRaven | From: GPLv3 Information <info-gplv3@gplv3.fsf.org> |
| 03:18.46 | SimonRaven | Subject: [Info-gplv3] GPLv3 First Discussion Draft |
| 03:18.46 | ejofee | peterS: i will try that, thanks. |
| 03:18.46 | Tarantulafudge | please *cries* |
| 03:18.50 | Gnea | ejofee: make sure they're both in the audio group and get a real audio card if you haven't already - any SB Live! will do |
| 03:18.50 | deadcat | ejofee: get a better sound card |
| 03:18.56 | karsten | helix: ?? |
| 03:18.58 | Seb | SimonRaven: well that's what I need, yeah |
| 03:19.03 | helix | peterS: maybe, unless they've changed their address again |
| 03:19.06 | helix | karsten: what? |
| 03:19.07 | abrotman | Tarantulafudge: apt-cache search lib gd |
| 03:19.13 | Seb | SimonRaven: but it seems to be an aterm problem. Works fine right now in xterm or mozilla. |
| 03:19.16 | peterS | helix: I didn't see much of that, maybe it occurred in the hour since I read the archive? |
| 03:19.18 | karsten | helix: Who would register ? |
| 03:19.20 | helix | tarantula fudge... ew |
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| 03:19.23 | zolack | anyone knows how to set up openoffice2.0 for spellcheck? when i check 'tools', i find 'spellcheck' ticked. but it won't alert me to any misspelled word in my doc. |
| 03:19.25 | helix | how do i registered program |
| 03:19.26 | deadcat | helix: "NEVER BUY FROM THIS GUY AGAIN!" hahah |
| 03:19.28 | karsten | helix: I think I missed context. |
| 03:19.34 | peterS | helix: mainly what I saw was relief - "how nice that they didn't pull a GFDL again" though not in as many words |
| 03:19.38 | Phated | Eh, helix lives! |
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| 03:19.42 | opnsrc | I can't figure out how to make it such that I need the root pw to run a sudo command |
| 03:19.45 | helix | peterS: nerode's reply in particular -- "Excelent. Solid improvement." (a few times) |
| 03:19.55 | SimonRaven | Seb: aterm prob. i bet (obviously to me) |
| 03:20.01 | Phated | opnsrc: Ehm, if they know the root password, you might as well use su anywya. |
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| 03:20.03 | peterS | helix: yeah I thought he could have snipped all of that. it's implicit that he agrees with whatever he doesn't argue with |
| 03:20.07 | karsten | opnsrc: Um, the whole point is taht you *don't*. |
| 03:20.08 | helix | one day that boy will learn to use email |
| 03:20.14 | karsten | opnsrc: sudo uses *user* password. |
| 03:20.22 | Tarantulafudge | how do I kill all dependencies of an app im uninstalling |
| 03:20.36 | peterS | helix: ...since, you know, he's not exactly shy about arguing with whatever he doesn't agree with |
| 03:20.39 | abrotman | you don't want to .. they're dependencies for a reason |
| 03:20.43 | helix | peterS: surely you jest |
| 03:20.50 | opnsrc | Oh |
| 03:20.52 | helix | you're not talking about /my/ innocent and meek nerode! |
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| 03:21.06 | karsten | Tarantulafudge: Um. ENOSENSE. |
| 03:21.06 | litage | peterS: the backports instructions talk about sarge backports rather than etch. does it matter if i'm using testing/etch? |
| 03:21.07 | peterS | helix: I don't know *your* innocent and meek nerode, clearly |
| 03:21.12 | opnsrc | Well on Kanotix it uses root PW |
| 03:21.13 | Phated | helix is innocent and meek? :O |
| 03:21.13 | helix | I don't know him either |
| 03:21.17 | opnsrc | and on other distributions |
| 03:21.21 | Tarantulafudge | karsten: what? |
| 03:21.23 | helix | Phated: yes, and I have a fatal disease called nerode |
| 03:21.31 | Phated | helix: ... eh? |
| 03:21.32 | Seb | SimonRaven: yup, it's #346523 |
| 03:21.33 | Dewi | can I ask aptitude to give me a list of every package I've *asked* it to install? |
| 03:21.34 | opnsrc | it's not really against the user it's to limtit applications |
| 03:21.36 | helix | si |
| 03:21.37 | ejofee | Gnea, deadcat: if onboard sound cards are always shyt, then why do they force us buy them by welding them onboard? |
| 03:21.40 | Phated | Sorreh, back to class. |
| 03:21.44 | peterS | litage: if the dependencies are fulfilled, which normally they will be, things ought to work. this is true for installing regular sarge packages on etch, as well as ones from backports.org |
| 03:21.48 | Dewi | (after I've installed them I mean, not when I'm about to) |
| 03:21.51 | peterS | litage: however, this is not always thoroughly tested |
| 03:21.56 | karsten | Phated: I think that's a crush. |
| 03:22.00 | cafuego | opnsrc: No, sudo always users the user pw. |
| 03:22.04 | opnsrc | limit |
| 03:22.05 | litage | peterS: oh joy! |
| 03:22.08 | opnsrc | Oh |
| 03:22.11 | litage | maybe i'll just compile my own kernel =P |
| 03:22.12 | helix | jesus |
| 03:22.15 | opnsrc | well how do i make it authenticate then? |
| 03:22.16 | cafuego | opnsrc: 'su' needs the root pw. |
| 03:22.18 | SimonRaven | cafuego: only if rootpw setting isn't set |
| 03:22.22 | opnsrc | Because I hear sudo is more secure than not using it |
| 03:22.23 | croddy | Dewi: dpkg --get-selections is probably your best bet for getting that info |
| 03:22.24 | opnsrc | or than using root |
| 03:22.28 | SimonRaven | er, sec |
| 03:22.30 | opnsrc | and if there is no PW, I don't see how it is |
| 03:22.31 | helix | all we need is for humberto massa to weigh in on this thread and it will have been broken four times |
| 03:22.35 | peterS | helix: how do I get my own nerode? I need something meek and innocent in my life |
| 03:22.35 | karsten | opnsrc: Do yourself a favor and google sudo and read what turns up. |
| 03:22.42 | helix | yes, -legal, we respect your excellence |
| 03:22.42 | abrotman | opnsrc: it's debatable |
| 03:22.49 | karsten | peterS: Look in the mirror ;-) |
| 03:22.52 | opnsrc | I read some of it, it says user ALL=ALL will need authentication |
| 03:22.53 | helix | peterS: you could adopt a dead cat and rename it? |
| 03:22.53 | opnsrc | but it doesn't |
| 03:22.56 | Dewi | croddy: what are "selections"? |
| 03:23.00 | peterS | hmmm, that's a thought |
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| 03:23.11 | Dewi | croddy: does that include dependancies, or not? |
| 03:23.14 | helix | peterS: is it interesting enough for me to write a book about? |
| 03:23.16 | peterS | helix: errr, are you drawing olfactory parallels? I thought you said you didn't know him..? |
| 03:23.19 | croddy | Dewi: the status you've asked for on a package: install, deinstall, purge, and so forth |
| 03:23.19 | opnsrc | because the entry lacks the nopass option |
| 03:23.24 | talisein | I use sudo bash, so I'm totally safe right? |
| 03:23.24 | SimonRaven | yeh, 'rootpw'; man sudoers; /rootpw |
| 03:23.25 | opnsrc | but for some reason when I type Sudo dir it doesn't ask for a pw |
| 03:23.38 | helix | peterS: huh? I don't know if he smells like a dead cat, if that's what you're asking |
| 03:23.40 | Dewi | croddy: okay, seems to look much like dpkg -l |
| 03:23.57 | peterS | helix: "memoirs of a girl with a nerode complex"? hmmmm |
| 03:24.02 | helix | hahaha |
| 03:24.02 | Dewi | croddy: (since I don't have much marked for change) |
| 03:24.26 | abrotman | he's always taking his head off |
| 03:24.26 | helix | peterS: well, my opinions have been changed since he was so staunchly defended on -devel as being a lovely person ;) |
| 03:24.30 | talisein | I heard etch will have SELinux by default, is that right? |
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| 03:24.45 | helix | "I haven't seen _any_ nasty messages from him! ...not in the last 10 I read on -deve..." |
| 03:24.52 | peterS | helix: he was? this do I not recall. I do hear that in the South, a "lovely person" doesn't mean what the rest of the world might assume |
| 03:25.00 | helix | haha |
| 03:25.10 | helix | peterS: yeah, manoj was defending him |
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| 03:25.14 | peterS | oh, ok |
| 03:25.30 | helix | he said I was slandering nerode or something |
| 03:25.33 | peterS | apparently a "luhvely puhson" is some flavor of old matron |
| 03:25.38 | helix | and I said "aww" |
| 03:26.02 | helix | oh, I dunno anything about that |
| 03:26.07 | helix | maybe I'm too far south |
| 03:26.18 | opnsrc | I can't get sudo to use the user pw |
| 03:26.24 | monriao | will using mplayer be infringing any IPR? |
| 03:26.24 | peterS | I got this from florence king so make of that what ye will |
| 03:26.29 | opnsrc | I've tried what http://www.courtesan.com/sudo/man/sudoers.html#examples said |
| 03:26.39 | peterS | monriao: depends on what plugins you use with it |
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| 03:26.40 | helix | she's probably right |
| 03:26.54 | opnsrc | For instance it says to put PARTTIMERS ALL = ALL |
| 03:26.56 | abrotman | kill splat! |
| 03:27.00 | monriao | peterS: how to know which plut-in is ok? |
| 03:27.09 | parsonsd | opensrc: did you read the manpage for sudo? |
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| 03:27.15 | Dewi | anyone have any comments re: courier-imap versus dovecot? |
| 03:27.15 | opnsrc | "may run any command on any host but they must authenticate themselves first " But when I tried it it does not ask for a pw |
| 03:27.21 | monriao | i mean plugin |
| 03:27.22 | peterS | monriao: if it has to do with interesting file formats it's probably patent-encumbered |
| 03:27.27 | peterS | monriao: if not, it's probably free |
| 03:27.50 | peterS | in the multimedia world this is a depressingly useful metric |
| 03:28.14 | abrotman | if you have to get it from marillat . it's probably not free |
| 03:28.22 | monriao | peterS: 'interesting file format'? what about wmv, mov, avi etc? |
| 03:28.35 | Pollywog | I remember Microsoft once threatened to not allow their software to be used alongside open-source software, sort of like a car manufacturer telling you what you can put in your car |
| 03:28.37 | helix | I think .yo is an interesting format |
| 03:28.44 | bucky | opnsrc: which version of debian are you using? |
| 03:28.45 | peterS | helix: yeah so that one is still free |
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| 03:28.54 | peterS | monriao: mov and avi are container formats, not codecs, so it would depend on what's *in* the mov or avi files |
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| 03:29.10 | peterS | monriao: wmv is also a container but I think all wmv codecs are fairly encumbered |
| 03:29.19 | opnsrc | 3.1 |
| 03:29.24 | helix | would a video in a free format of a developer or someone reading non-free sourcecode be free? |
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| 03:29.46 | cafuego | helix: Yes, but illegal. |
| 03:29.47 | ansong | does this normally happen when removing a web browser? http://pastebin.com/509285 |
| 03:29.52 | helix | you're illegal |
| 03:29.56 | monriao | peterS: so it is not for every layman to know what is/is not legal format. |
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| 03:30.06 | peterS | helix: someone could get sued for copyright infringement. whether the video itself is free is kind of a separate question |
| 03:30.17 | helix | it wasn't a serious question anyway :) |
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| 03:30.22 | abrotman | ansong: that's cute |
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| 03:30.40 | edward__ | hello, so I just installed gnome using apt-get install gnome and when I try to log in I keep getting errors that my $HOME/.dmrc doesn't have the correct user/permissions yet I have set chmod 644 $HOME/.dmrc and chown edward.edward $HOME/.dmrc, also after clicking ok to that error gnome starts up yet the panels do not function clicking on "Applications" etc... doesn't produce anything and I can't click on the desktop pager either... the |
| 03:30.46 | peterS | monriao: it's not about "legal" so much as "patent-encumbered". since debian doesn't pay any patent license fees, there are certain things we can't confidently distribute, and the same will be true of most other random providers of plugins |
| 03:31.10 | abrotman | though somehow they distribute mp3 decoders |
| 03:31.14 | monriao | mplayer is still unofficial and non-free debian package. |
| 03:31.24 | peterS | abrotman: yeah, mp3 decoding seems not to be backed by any *valid* patents |
| 03:31.43 | abrotman | peterS: that doesn't that company from charging fees for encoders/decoders |
| 03:31.58 | peterS | monriao: that's historical inertia - there used to be a lot of problems with it but these days there probably aren't, but nobody wants to do the work to verify this for sure |
| 03:32.08 | ansong | cute? it's gonna remove gnome, gnome-core, gnome-desktop-environment, gnome-control-center, gnome-terminal, nautilus and more... who sets that kind of dependency against a flipping web browser? |
| 03:32.23 | peterS | abrotman: anyone can charge a fee of anyone gullible enough to pay it (: it doesn't mean their claims are truly all enforceable |
| 03:32.34 | abrotman | obviously |
| 03:32.36 | cafuego | ansong: Someone who uses gecko in some core gnome component? |
| 03:32.44 | abrotman | ansong: some of those are metapackages |
| 03:32.45 | edward__ | vlc seems to be an excellent replacement for mplayer |
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| 03:33.08 | monriao | if i use mplayer to download .wmv video clips, am i infringing IPR? |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | kill splat! |
| 03:33.19 | peterS | abrotman: one mp3 decoding library, libmad, uses fixed-point math rather than floating-point math. this is different enough from standard practice that it probably isn't possible to encumber it with the same patents. in fact, I think that's the point of libmad. |
| 03:33.45 | abrotman | peterS: package it! |
| 03:33.55 | peterS | abrotman: oh it's packaged, and used by players such as mpg321 |
| 03:34.01 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:34.10 | nrdb | I have a computer setup with kubuntu, it has stoped booting, at 'Loading Modules' with the error message "Buffer I/O error on sdb, logical block 0" can someone help? I have no scsi drives. |
| 03:34.11 | peterS | abrotman: the disadvantage is that libmad uses a lot more CPU than the traditional mp3 decoding algorithm, and in some people's opinions the sound quality is inferior. (I haven't checked on that myself.) |
| 03:34.13 | abrotman | oh .. decoding .. i misread thought it said encoding |
| 03:34.23 | peterS | abrotman: mpg123 is non-free because of patents, mpg321 is in main because it uses libmad |
| 03:34.27 | ansong | cafuego, isn't gecko provided by firefox? and it'll install epiphany-browser, which uses gecko too (i think). in any case does it seem likely that i'll still have gnome installed if i went ahead? |
| 03:34.28 | Dewi | peterS: I thought the integer math was useful for some CPUs |
| 03:34.32 | Dewi | peterS: embedded ones and such |
| 03:34.39 | abrotman | Dewi: not for music :) |
| 03:34.41 | peterS | Dewi: yes, that too, but debian doesn't run on many of those CPUs |
| 03:34.51 | abrotman | did they kill super-h ? |
| 03:35.04 | monriao | peterS: if i use mplayer to download .wmv video clips, am i infringing IPR? |
| 03:35.04 | peterS | abrotman: no, it's true that some embedded CPUs that people want to make portable music players from don't have floating point math |
| 03:35.05 | helix | abrotman: yeah |
| 03:35.10 | Dewi | peterS: libmad wasn't written for debian :P |
| 03:35.15 | astronut | helix: can you do me a favor? |
| 03:35.24 | helix | astronut: maybe..? |
| 03:35.34 | peterS | Dewi: oh I know, but I think the integer math thing is why debian considers it safe to distribute |
| 03:35.36 | ansong | nrdb, you'll be wanting #ubuntu |
| 03:35.47 | abrotman | actually .. #kubuntu |
| 03:36.01 | astronut | helix: for some reason, either my client or the bts keeps word wrapping my mail whenever i try a retitle, and the bts(1) command won't work, the server rejects my mail...can you run bts to retitle a bug for me? |
| 03:36.02 | Dewi | peterS: isn't there an mp3 reference decoder though? from mpeg? |
| 03:36.22 | peterS | monriao: I don't know. ask the people who hold patents on the wmv codecs, I guess, whether they sanction third-party plugins for third-party apps on third-party OSes |
| 03:36.27 | ansong | there's a special channel for using a different desktop? |
| 03:36.32 | helix | astronut: what's the bug #? |
| 03:36.34 | cafuego | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:36.41 | grumpydog | xmms patentents |
| 03:36.41 | nrdb | ansong: tried #kubuntu, will try at #ubuntu |
| 03:36.43 | helix | astronut: and does it not give you any feedback? |
| 03:36.49 | abrotman | ansong: it's a different project .. it's a subproject of ubuntu or something |
| 03:36.50 | Dewi | cafuego: let me guess, you're a scary ghost? |
| 03:36.59 | peterS | Dewi: I think so, and the algorithms in it are patented by Fraunhofer and Thomson |
| 03:37.04 | helix | astronut: I'd be interesting in seeing the reject mail fwiw, and also know what you're doing exactly |
| 03:37.05 | astronut | helix: bts retitle 342660 cyrus-imapd-2.2: suggest making skiplist the default database backend for new installs |
| 03:37.15 | astronut | helix: see #d-d for why it bounced |
| 03:37.16 | helix | astronut: I just use a mail client :) |
| 03:37.17 | astronut | bounces* |
| 03:37.24 | astronut | helix: my mail cleints keep wordwrapping |
| 03:37.24 | helix | astronut: ok, but can you fwd me a mail? |
| 03:37.26 | abrotman | cafuego: running debian ? |
| 03:37.32 | cafuego | abrotman: Nearly |
| 03:37.35 | helix | astronut: erm |
| 03:37.37 | abrotman | nearly? |
| 03:37.40 | ansong | cafuego, that's a bid deal only if it's not mac os |
| 03:37.46 | cafuego | ansong: Ubuntu |
| 03:37.47 | ansong | bid -> big |
| 03:37.47 | Dewi | peterS: aah, that's right. But doesn't the very use of mpeg sort of require a license? |
| 03:37.47 | peterS | astronut: dude, it's almost as easy to send mail by hand as to use bts(1) |
| 03:37.49 | astronut | helix: both gmail and thunderbird did it so it split |
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| 03:37.56 | astronut | peterS: see above, that's how i did it |
| 03:38.02 | astronut | Processing commands for control@bugs.debian.org: |
| 03:38.02 | astronut | > retitle 342660 cyrus-imapd-2.2: suggest making skiplist the default |
| 03:38.02 | astronut | Bug#342660: cyrus-imapd-2.2: suggest making skiplist the default |
| 03:38.02 | astronut | Changed Bug title. |
| 03:38.02 | astronut | > database backend for new installs |
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| 03:38.09 | helix | ... |
| 03:38.10 | abrotman | he should so know better |
| 03:38.11 | peterS | buh-bye dude |
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| 03:38.13 | helix | word |
| 03:38.15 | astronut | oops |
| 03:38.15 | Dewi | peterS: maybe I'm thinking of encoders there |
| 03:38.18 | abrotman | astronut: come on ... |
| 03:38.20 | peterS | astronut: dude. |
| 03:38.22 | astronut | sorry |
| 03:38.32 | astronut | i meant to delete the line breaks first |
| 03:38.32 | peterS | Dewi: lots of licenses, because mpeg is a very disparate standard with lots of stuff in it |
| 03:38.37 | monriao | peterS: so the IPR issue has to do with the codec, not mplayer. if i use othe players such as kaffeine or vlc, the same issue arises. |
| 03:38.56 | helix | astronut: fwiw, it looks to me like that's already the title? |
| 03:38.59 | Justin | cafuego: new broadcom driver eh? |
| 03:39.00 | peterS | monriao: yep, unless the people who write plugins can assure you that they've avoided patent issues, and you believe them |
| 03:39.01 | abrotman | even without the line breaks |
| 03:39.04 | astronut | helix: not quite |
| 03:39.10 | astronut | it got truncated |
| 03:39.10 | Dewi | peterS: depressing. Debian is too lawful sometimes. |
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| 03:39.19 | peterS | Dewi: how so? |
| 03:39.34 | helix | astronut: oh I see...hang on |
| 03:39.44 | astronut | helix: somehow, it breaks after "default", "database backend for new installs" gets treated as a command (which fails) |
| 03:39.52 | astronut | both gmail and thunderbird did that |
| 03:39.56 | peterS | Dewi: would you rather some big donor were to pay off the media companies and buy blanket patent licenses for use by all debian users worldwide? it won't happen |
| 03:40.00 | Dewi | peterS: I guess in the long run it gives more support to free-er stuff if we avoid encumbered crap |
| 03:40.09 | Dewi | peterS: but before the really free stuff gets mature, it's a depressing state |
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| 03:40.21 | Justin | peterS: didn't fluendo buy a mp3 license? |
| 03:40.24 | peterS | Dewi: there's not really any other choices - either you buy patent licenses or you avoid shipping patented code. anything else is horribly irresponsible |
| 03:40.25 | Dewi | peterS: I meant there's all this stuff that's "basically free" like java and mpeg code and stuff, but there's all those annoying conditions |
| 03:41.01 | peterS | Dewi: it's depressing but there's not a whole lot Debian can do about it, other than break the law |
| 03:41.10 | astronut | helix: still want bounce message? (and if so, is postfix log ok?) |
| 03:41.14 | Dewi | peterS: that's basically what I'm suggesting. |
| 03:41.23 | helix | astronut: hang on a sec |
| 03:41.23 | Dewi | peterS: breaking the law or making it easy for others to do so |
| 03:41.28 | astronut | i found out why it bounces, apparently |
| 03:41.28 | astronut | ok |
| 03:41.28 | Dewi | peterS: I know it's only a dream :P |
| 03:41.43 | peterS | astronut: I don't think she's a postmaster on bugs.debian.org so that's not likely to be too useful. the BTS does have a footer on all web pages saying who to contact about problems |
| 03:41.45 | abrotman | helix: this may seem an odd request .. can you kill |splat| .. been bouncing for days |
| 03:42.01 | astronut | peterS: she had asked ;-) |
| 03:42.11 | peterS | for bounce messages? odd. |
| 03:42.35 | astronut | peterS: for a specific one |
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| 03:43.14 | helix | astronut: are you having two problems or just one? ie is it bouncing your mail or is it merely having problems with truncation? |
| 03:43.17 | monriao | is there an mms codec for mplayer? |
| 03:43.20 | helix | or both, I guess |
| 03:43.32 | helix | I saw the fqdn question in #d-d |
| 03:43.41 | Justin | monriao: what is an mms codec? |
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| 03:43.49 | astronut | helix: using bts, it bounces (i know why), using normal mail client (2 different ones), it truncates |
| 03:44.14 | astronut | bts bounces because it appears to be coming from astronut@localhost, apparently |
| 03:44.20 | peterS | astronut: oh you aren't encapsulating with mime quoted-printable, are you? |
| 03:44.34 | monriao | Justin: one that is required for viewing mms file. |
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| 03:44.37 | litage | running apt-get update for my local repository says "Errhttp://202.168.41.228 testing/main Packages Bad header line" but i checked the md5sums and they're all okay. what might be going wrong? |
| 03:44.50 | astronut | peterS: just using thunderbird/gmail normally |
| 03:44.52 | blazefx | does anyone know any good reference on dhtml? |
| 03:44.53 | peterS | I wonder if control@ forgets to parse qp |
| 03:45.05 | Justin | monriao: what is an mms file? |
| 03:45.23 | monriao | Justin: File of mms format. |
| 03:45.30 | peterS | astronut: does your /etc/mailname not have a useful domain for outgoing mail? |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | blazefx: ask #web |
| 03:45.38 | blazefx | thanks |
| 03:45.43 | Justin | monriao: is this one that you just made up? |
| 03:45.49 | peterS | I guess it should, if you intend to use non-MUAs to send mail from that machine |
| 03:45.57 | astronut | peterS: that would be correct ;-) (localhost.localdomain) |
| 03:46.04 | astronut | peterS: wasn't aware of it, thanks |
| 03:46.17 | monriao | Justin: no. go to space.com and try to download their video clips. |
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| 03:46.44 | Malagmyr | should I install dcgui or valknut? |
| 03:48.42 | helix | astronut: you never changed the default hostname? |
| 03:48.57 | astronut | helix: lol, not on that box |
| 03:49.14 | peterS | helix: he should change it to dabian |
| 03:49.35 | helix | peterS: FIRST rms showers. NOW you make me think of dabian |
| 03:49.40 | helix | what is wrong with today?!?! |
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| 03:49.47 | Justin | monriao: uh, mms is a protocol, not a file format |
| 03:49.52 | peterS | rms showers? uh, who's keeping track? |
| 03:50.02 | astronut | dabian? |
| 03:50.02 | helix | I was told he showered for the big event |
| 03:50.10 | Malagmyr | I don't understand the difference between dcgui and valknut. The valknut manual reciding on dcgui.berlios.de confuses me even further. Can anyone explain? |
| 03:50.12 | peterS | astronut: a former denizen of this channel |
| 03:50.28 | peterS | astronut: he insisted that his nick wasn't a pun on da (iso code for danish, which he speaks natively) and debian |
| 03:50.45 | peterS | astronut: helix doesn't like him all that well, is why I mentioned him |
| 03:50.52 | astronut | ah |
| 03:50.52 | helix | I had to ban him from #-w |
| 03:50.53 | helix | #d-w |
| 03:50.57 | monriao | Justin: ok. fine. now, i need a codec for that for mplayer. |
| 03:51.20 | peterS | helix: you did? wow |
| 03:51.20 | Justin | monriao: which part of "mms is a protocol not a file format" didn't you understand? |
| 03:51.23 | helix | yeah |
| 03:51.27 | helix | then everyone cheered |
| 03:51.37 | abrotman | helix: unbelievable .. i just can't imagine |
| 03:51.39 | helix | except jutta |
| 03:51.41 | Justin | monriao: mms is a protocol for streaming video, one which mplayer supports just fine |
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| 03:52.06 | monriao | Justin: whatever it is, now i can't download those clips under mplayer. what do i need? |
| 03:52.06 | Justin | monriao: that, or I am imagining this space.com movie playing on my desktop right now... |
| 03:52.10 | Justin | monriao: nothing |
| 03:52.30 | monriao | Justin: how do u do it? |
| 03:52.43 | astronut | helix: did you try to rename that bug? |
| 03:52.50 | helix | yes |
| 03:52.54 | Justin | monriao: what happens if you run mplayer mms://209.73.219.71/b010222_sp_starsong_1.asf ? |
| 03:53.06 | helix | you may want to file a bug on bts for doing its linebreaking thing though |
| 03:53.07 | astronut | helix: hmm, doesn't show it |
| 03:53.15 | monriao | Justin: let me try first. |
| 03:53.19 | helix | that's probably because it hasn't processed it yet |
| 03:53.21 | astronut | helix: was it def bts not client? |
| 03:53.22 | astronut | ok |
| 03:53.36 | helix | astronut: umm, I don't know -- possibly |
| 03:53.44 | astronut | (clients) |
| 03:53.48 | astronut | may be set to wrap to 72/80 chars |
| 03:53.48 | helix | maybe fix your hostname problems first then try aain |
| 03:53.56 | Justin | monriao: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446 is nice too |
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| 03:54.20 | astronut | helix: did fix hostname, was going to wait since you did ti |
| 03:54.26 | helix | astronut: but in the future, with most MUAs you can generally prevent line wrapping by doing specific deletion |
| 03:54.27 | peterS | astronut: 'bts' certainly shouldn't wrap. your MUA, who knows |
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| 03:54.40 | astronut | helix: tried that |
| 03:54.48 | astronut | that's why i was wondering |
| 03:54.52 | helix | yea I wasn't thinking clearly |
| 03:55.06 | helix | astronut: well, I think you need to use a better MUA, personally; I could never get evolution to /not/ wrap |
| 03:55.14 | monriao | Justin: seems to download alright. the q is, how do u determine the web addr? |
| 03:55.19 | astronut | helix: i use tbird, also tried in gmail |
| 03:55.27 | helix | astronut: yes, I mean something with a proper editor |
| 03:55.32 | helix | not something that tries to outsmart you |
| 03:55.38 | Justin | monriao: https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=446 |
| 03:55.39 | astronut | yay, 250 ok for bts(1) |
| 03:55.39 | Tarantulafudge | how do i remove a package and all the dependencies it installed |
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| 03:55.57 | peterS | astronut: cool |
| 03:56.03 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: aptitude remove packagename |
| 03:56.11 | helix | hmh is gonna love all this retitling |
| 03:56.13 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: only works if you *installed* it also with aptitude, though |
| 03:56.16 | helix | astronut: please tell me you comaintain this package |
| 03:56.16 | erc | deborphan |
| 03:56.34 | astronut | helix: ies |
| 03:56.38 | astronut | yes* |
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| 03:56.44 | helix | ok |
| 03:56.56 | oiahsdf | how do i apt-cache search by tag? like for all the packages with admin::backup ? |
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| 03:57.29 | abrotman | please ... |
| 03:57.53 | monriao | Justin: the site u recommend indicates i have to upgrade to firefox 1.5 first. |
| 03:57.56 | stoned | i just laughed a lot, let me share it with you, someone in #linux said, stfu noob, lol, i hadn't hard that in years, lol |
| 03:58.17 | helix | stoned: was this person serious? |
| 03:58.18 | peterS | stoned: your retelling is kind of unintentionally funny, I think |
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| 03:58.28 | stoned | helix: couldn't tell ya |
| 03:58.58 | monriao | what's noob? |
| 03:59.08 | stoned | lol, here we go, another laugh attack coming on |
| 03:59.23 | peterS | yeah, you could have it offline, if you don't mind terribly |
| 03:59.28 | Justin | monriao: *shrug* |
| 03:59.30 | helix | pretty please |
| 03:59.35 | astronut | bts is slow tonight |
| 03:59.41 | monriao | u r all mfsob. |
| 03:59.55 | stoned | what about the females? |
| 04:00.03 | helix | astronut: maybe you could rabidly apt-get update / apt-get upgrade and wait for new packages!!! |
| 04:00.09 | ansong | they use strapons |
| 04:00.15 | Gnea | we all fuck mothers and are sons of the bitches? |
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| 04:00.28 | stoned | we can't ALL be sons |
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| 04:00.32 | peterS | Gnea: only if you are included in the group who identifies themselves as 'u' |
| 04:00.37 | oiahsdf | what uses the tags in package descriptions anyway? what command line tools use them? |
| 04:00.38 | litage | after adding backports to sources.list, apt-get update says "W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org ... the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C". where can i find the backports public key? i can't find it on google |
| 04:00.48 | astronut | helix: too labor-intensive, should just set a cron job for once a minute... |
| 04:00.50 | helix | down with unions |
| 04:00.53 | peterS | oiahsdf: the 'debtags' and 'apt-cache' programs use them |
| 04:00.54 | Kupal[] | anyone have any success circumventing isp based qos policies? |
| 04:01.00 | helix | astronut: excuse me, did you just display a sense of humor? |
| 04:01.01 | Kupal[] | !anyone kupal |
| 04:01.03 | helix | or maybe you were serious |
| 04:01.09 | astronut | helix: was attempting humur |
| 04:01.16 | abrotman | litage: i think there's a channel on oftc.net about backports.org |
| 04:01.17 | astronut | actually, i do need to upgrade, been away all weekend, thanks for reminding me |
| 04:01.25 | stoned | Kupal[]: yes, my isp blocks port 80 for me, i run apache on a different port, circumvented |
| 04:01.39 | Gnea | peterS: what would u know about it? :) |
| 04:01.52 | astronut | stoned: i know there are services that let you set a domain to their servers, then will bounce to that port |
| 04:01.56 | litage | thanks abrotman |
| 04:02.02 | peterS | Gnea: did you mean to ask UDontKnow? |
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| 04:02.03 | oiahsdf | peterS: how does apt-cache use them? i don't see how to search by them in the man page |
| 04:02.19 | Gnea | peterS: or UKnowIt |
| 04:02.24 | stoned | astronut: that is good that you know, what should I do with that piece of new knowledge you just gave me |
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| 04:02.34 | peterS | oiahsdf: you can't necessarily search, but it does display the tags. if you want to search, you want the debtags package |
| 04:02.35 | Justin | stoned: what does blocking port 80 have to do with QoS? |
| 04:02.48 | stoned | Justin absolutely nothing |
| 04:02.48 | peterS | oiahsdf: it includes a pretty nifty gui program but I forget what it's called because I haven't used it in ages |
| 04:02.53 | Gnea | stoned: you can get it unblocked. |
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| 04:03.21 | oiahsdf | peterS, there's a package called packagesearch which seems to use libdebtags |
| 04:03.35 | stoned | hey, who pays for debian.org's bandwidth? |
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| 04:03.43 | peterS | stoned: lots and lots of sponsors |
| 04:03.44 | astronut | helix: yours worked fine, so it's just a MUA issue for the wrapping/truncatting |
| 04:03.45 | helix | the sultan of brunei |
| 04:03.48 | astronut | stoned: donations |
| 04:03.51 | helix | astronut: k |
| 04:03.51 | Kupal[] | I think they are throttling my torrents, its killing me they are so slow. im not sure how to obsfutigate them, im sure their are some serious tell tale, yep that's a torrent torrent. |
| 04:03.55 | peterS | stoned: people donate individual machines and hosting arrangements |
| 04:03.57 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:03.58 | astronut | helix: appreciate it |
| 04:04.00 | stoned | do you accept donations with personal check? |
| 04:04.01 | helix | astronut: np |
| 04:04.10 | Gnea | helix: how.. self-centered |
| 04:04.17 | astronut | stoned: the project will accept money, i do beleive |
| 04:04.23 | peterS | stoned: yes, there are web pages about that |
| 04:04.27 | stoned | link? |
| 04:04.34 | SexyKen | Hey guys -- just out of curiousity, what do you guys use your Debian Servers for at home? |
| 04:04.34 | helix | spi-inc.org or something |
| 04:04.37 | peterS | stoned: debian's finances are managed by other organisations such as Software in the Public Interest (www.spi-inc.org) |
| 04:04.44 | Gnea | SexyKen: serving |
| 04:04.47 | stoned | bbl |
| 04:04.51 | SexyKen | serving what? |
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| 04:04.56 | astronut | stoned: http://www.us.debian.org/donations |
| 04:04.57 | SexyKen | Dinner for crying out loud? |
| 04:04.58 | helix | SexyKen: do you have any recent poetry? |
| 04:05.01 | Gnea | different things |
| 04:05.04 | Gnea | sometimes :) |
| 04:05.11 | SexyKen | helix -- Wow, impressive. Not lately, no. |
| 04:05.16 | helix | ok |
| 04:05.27 | SexyKen | But thank you for your interest. |
| 04:05.49 | SexyKen | Did you enjoy reading my poetry previously? |
| 04:06.01 | Gnea | SexyKen: http, smtp, pop, imap, distcc, tetrinet, sql, etc |
| 04:06.08 | oiahsdf | thanks peterS, that was exactly what i needed |
| 04:06.13 | astronut | helix: actually, apt-get update takes up relatively little bandwidth, since the server responds with a 30x (forget what X is) saying you already have the most up to date lists |
| 04:06.17 | stoned | ...we can issue receipts for tax purposes. <-- this is cool |
| 04:06.21 | SexyKen | Gnea: tetrinet? What's that? |
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| 04:06.28 | Gnea | SexyKen: networked tetris |
| 04:06.44 | SexyKen | Interesting...how's that work? |
| 04:06.45 | helix | astronut: I don't think I mentioned anything about apt-get update using a lot of bw |
| 04:06.47 | peterS | astronut: it's still pretty silly |
| 04:06.58 | Gnea | you play tetris with other people competitively |
| 04:07.06 | astronut | helix: oh, it was a comment about impatience then...got ya |
| 04:07.20 | astronut | peterS: oh, undoubtdly |
| 04:07.31 | astronut | helix: i wasn't hitting refresh repeatedly, but waiting for a mail |
| 04:07.31 | SexyKen | Gnea: Is there some sort of a tracker how do users find servers? |
| 04:07.39 | Gnea | it has a lot of different things that can be tweaked |
| 04:07.49 | Gnea | SexyKen: yeah, on the website |
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| 04:08.06 | SexyKen | Gnea: My girlfriend likes tetris :-) |
| 04:08.18 | Gnea | SexyKen: she'll like tetrinet :) |
| 04:08.34 | ootput | anyone recently installed mplayer from marillat for sid? |
| 04:08.50 | Gnea | http://www.tetrinet.org/ |
| 04:09.12 | Tarantulafudge | peterS: is there a depclean for debian? |
| 04:09.16 | SexyKen | Gnea: Very cool will check it out, what client would recommend fo windows? |
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| 04:09.27 | tyler | i wonder if anyone here has error 41 problems with brother multifuntion centers here? |
| 04:09.35 | Tarantulafudge | its important |
| 04:09.36 | Gnea | SexyKen: not sure, never used it |
| 04:09.37 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: a what? |
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| 04:09.54 | SexyKen | Gnea: Advantages to running my own tetrinet server? |
| 04:09.57 | Tarantulafudge | peterS: a system that calculates unnecessary packages |
| 04:09.58 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: install all your software using aptitude and it automatically cleans out deps you didn't specifically ask for |
| 04:10.00 | Gnea | SexyKen: i would say try a few and choose whichever fits best |
| 04:10.07 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: I believe someone else also told you about deborphan |
| 04:10.09 | raf256 | how to check version of bzip2? |
| 04:10.11 | Tarantulafudge | peterS: i didn't know to do that |
| 04:10.13 | Gnea | SexyKen: no lag |
| 04:10.22 | peterS | raf256: bzip2 --help |
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| 04:10.24 | Gnea | SexyKen: disadvantages? you've gotta wait for people to show up |
| 04:10.24 | peterS | raf256: amazingly enough |
| 04:10.34 | SexyKen | Gnea: Do you just run the server 24x7? |
| 04:10.49 | Gnea | SexyKen: yeah, no one's been on it in a long time tho |
| 04:10.50 | helix | <Gnea> yes with an old php version and wordpress!! |
| 04:10.57 | raf256 | peterS: it isnt installed - I found a bug, ok nm |
| 04:10.59 | abrotman | deborphan or debfoster |
| 04:11.22 | Tarantulafudge | peterS: I wasn't told about it, how do i use it |
| 04:11.33 | Gnea | helix: huh? |
| 04:11.49 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: I haven't ever used it because I use aptitude for that purpose. figure it out yourself. |
| 04:12.07 | Tarantulafudge | omg, im screwing my system :( |
| 04:12.17 | SexyKen | Gnea: Why would it be that no one has been on it in a long time? |
| 04:12.18 | Tarantulafudge | please help me |
| 04:12.21 | astronut | peterS: aptitude can do what deborphan does? |
| 04:12.40 | peterS | astronut: I don't know what deborphan does, so I can't say |
| 04:12.51 | Gnea | SexyKen: no particular reason, probably because it's not in rotation anymore |
| 04:12.53 | raf256 | I have a b0rked, not installable package |
| 04:12.53 | peterS | astronut: I do know aptitude can prune things you no longer need and didn't ask for |
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| 04:13.06 | astronut | peterS: oh, ok (that's apparently debfoster) |
| 04:13.06 | SexyKen | I'm thinking about reinstalling Debian on my server and starting over and am trying to decide what to install on it |
| 04:13.27 | astronut | deborphan will list any packages (defaults to libraries) with no rdepends |
| 04:13.35 | SexyKen | What version of Debian should I install? I dont wan to download an entire CD, just want to download a net install |
| 04:13.43 | helix | SexyKen: sarge |
| 04:13.50 | SexyKen | Is sarge stable yet? |
| 04:13.53 | helix | yes |
| 04:13.54 | raf256 | how can I uninstall bunzip2 (ignoring dependiences to not uninstall stuff using it)? I will then use Synaptic to install older version |
| 04:13.57 | astronut | SexyKen: for a while |
| 04:14.13 | astronut | raf256: easier to just download the .deb, and dpkg -i it, it will automatically downgrade |
| 04:14.18 | peterS | raf256: dpkg --remove --force-depedns |
| 04:14.23 | peterS | --force-depends, even |
| 04:14.39 | Tarantulafudge | crap!! |
| 04:14.47 | raf256 | peterS: thanx |
| 04:14.56 | Tarantulafudge | omg i totally screwed it in 10 minutes |
| 04:14.56 | Gnea | !tell Tarantulafudge about ask |
| 04:14.57 | SexyKen | What is the best net install version of Debian? |
| 04:15.08 | Gnea | !best |
| 04:15.08 | dpkg | best for what? please define what you mean by "best" Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:15.12 | SexyKen | I didn't mean best |
| 04:15.15 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:15.16 | SexyKen | I meant what would you recommend ;-) |
| 04:15.25 | Tarantulafudge | How do I clean my system for unused deps? (that i didn't install myself!) |
| 04:15.27 | Gnea | the, uh, net install |
| 04:15.34 | astronut | SexyKen: sarge is stable...from there you can upgrade to any others |
| 04:15.37 | Gnea | !netinstall |
| 04:15.37 | dpkg | netinst is, like, a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 04:15.38 | astronut | the etch installer is beta |
| 04:15.55 | astronut | they still offer floppies/ |
| 04:16.17 | SexyKen | So does that mean the etch version wont install sarage? |
| 04:16.20 | SexyKen | *sarge |
| 04:16.29 | Gnea | !etch |
| 04:16.29 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ . Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from our web site, http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. |
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| 04:16.33 | Gnea | !sarge |
| 04:16.33 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 04:16.34 | astronut | SexyKen: correct, it will install etch ;-) |
| 04:16.43 | ansong | i'm jobhunting. i "don't qualify" for a job because they're looking for someone with an mcp in windows xp and all i've got is a bachelors in cs and > 5 yrs experience in IT. :( |
| 04:16.45 | peterS | the question is why you *would* want to use the etch installer to install sarge |
| 04:16.46 | raf256 | http://www.swig.org/tutorial.html |
| 04:16.51 | peterS | it may or may not be possible, but why would you? |
| 04:16.51 | Tarantulafudge | hello? |
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| 04:17.03 | peterS | unless you have newish hardware and can't use the sarge kernels |
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| 04:17.09 | raf256 | whops wrong channel |
| 04:17.11 | astronut | Tarantulafudge: people have already answered you |
| 04:17.18 | astronut | !tell Tarantulafudge about deborphan |
| 04:17.25 | Tarantulafudge | astronut: it doesnt work |
| 04:17.25 | helix | ansong: that sounds like a crappy job |
| 04:17.30 | astronut | !tell Tarantulafudge about debfoster |
| 04:17.33 | SexyKen | There isn't a boot cd for net install of sarge? |
| 04:17.43 | astronut | SexyKen: is too |
| 04:17.55 | astronut | http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 04:18.02 | astronut | right from dpkg's explanation |
| 04:18.06 | netman1 | Hi All. How do I change in sed (or awk) "text:\n another" to "text: another" from the commandline? |
| 04:18.21 | Tarantulafudge | astronut: its clearly missing some crap i just installed |
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| 04:18.28 | SexyKen | astronut, read it again, I dont see it. |
| 04:18.29 | Antisoche | Hello, I'm looking for a terminal that can handle VT100 style escape codes, including graphics like lines, arcs, etc. Anyone know of any? Google and apt-cache search don't seem to be helping me much here. :( |
| 04:18.34 | SexyKen | !netinst |
| 04:18.34 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For sarge, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ For boot floppies see http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ For etch see http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/etch_d-i/i386/current/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso for x86, or see dialup install. Also see d-i. |
| 04:18.38 | SexyKen | oh shit |
| 04:18.39 | SexyKen | I'm retarded |
| 04:18.41 | SexyKen | thanks ;-) |
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| 04:18.54 | astronut | netman1: echo foo | sed -e 's/blah/beep/' |
| 04:19.05 | astronut | foo obviously has to include blah |
| 04:19.14 | astronut | Tarantulafudge: *groan* |
| 04:19.20 | netman1 | astonut: Doesn't work because of the newline. |
| 04:19.24 | astronut | apt-get install debfoster; man debfoster, come back once you've read it |
| 04:19.30 | Tarantulafudge | astronut: and it wants to remove something i actually installed |
| 04:19.36 | astronut | netman1: ah |
| 04:20.06 | ercin | i have a serious problem with gnome-settings-daemon |
| 04:20.25 | SexyKen | Do you guys all run a GUI on debian? |
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| 04:20.43 | ercin | when i login gnome says the daemon could't started |
| 04:20.44 | netman1 | SexyKen: yes, : more xterm's |
| 04:20.48 | netman1 | ;-) |
| 04:20.51 | astronut | Tarantulafudge: READ THE MAN PAGE! |
| 04:20.56 | ansong | helix, "computer systems engineer" for the local school system. it'd pay the bills |
| 04:21.11 | helix | ansong: where do you live? |
| 04:21.18 | astronut | SexyKen: workstation, of course, server has one installed, but practically never used... i have it for when workstation is down and i use server for both |
| 04:21.18 | abercrombiedrone | can someone tell me which version of debian to dl. x86 or a-64. i have a 3.2 pentium 3 dell comp. |
| 04:21.27 | astronut | abercrombiedrone: x87 |
| 04:21.28 | to-enk | server irc.plasa.com |
| 04:21.30 | astronut | 86* |
| 04:21.31 | ercin | and in xsession-errors file there are some gconf entries |
| 04:21.35 | abercrombiedrone | thnx |
| 04:21.47 | astronut | goodnight all |
| 04:21.51 | Antisoche | netman1: I'm not an awk expert, but try something like this: awk 'FNR %2 { print $1 }; !(FNR %2) { print $1 "\n" }' |
| 04:21.53 | ansong | helix, northern oklahoma. there's not a lot here... |
| 04:22.07 | helix | oh, ouch |
| 04:22.13 | Antisoche | netman1: I don't know how to suppress the newlines at the print though |
| 04:22.25 | raf256 | how can I manually download bzip's testing .deb? packages.debian.org is down |
| 04:22.32 | netman1 | Antisoche: I'll try, thanks though. |
| 04:22.38 | SexyKen | What gui do you guys use? |
| 04:22.39 | Antisoche | netman1: aha ... use 'printf' instead of 'print' |
| 04:22.44 | raf256 | SexyKen: KDE |
| 04:22.52 | peterS | raf256: if you can guess which file it is inside http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/bzip2/, just download it using a web browser |
| 04:22.53 | litage | how do you change a partition's label? |
| 04:23.07 | SexyKen | i still can't decide how to setup my small 40gig partition |
| 04:23.09 | SexyKen | for my server |
| 04:23.12 | raf256 | peterS: The requested URL /debian/pool/main/b/bzip2/, was not found on this server. |
| 04:23.23 | raf256 | omg, sorry =) |
| 04:23.23 | ansong | helix, i'll live. maybe i can eventually get on with one of the tribes |
| 04:23.27 | raf256 | !smite me |
| 04:23.43 | peterS | ansong: hey I'm not *that* far from northern oklahoma |
| 04:23.58 | ansong | peterS, i'm sorry |
| 04:24.09 | peterS | ansong: hey I'm not complaining |
| 04:24.12 | netman1 | SexyKen: Rule of thumb: use half of it, leave the rest so you change it all around and expand at the same time (semi) on-line. |
| 04:24.29 | Malagmyr | "uild-dependencies for valknut could not be satisfied."? I'm doing "apt-get build-dep valknut" with the standard stable sources.list and I get that? |
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| 04:26.42 | ansong | peterS, neither am i really. cost of living is low, kids can play outdoors without me worrying, it's just that there's not a big job market here unless you want to work at a) a callcenter, b) a factory, or c) a warehouse. jobs paying over 30k/yr are scarce |
| 04:27.13 | netman1 | SexyKen: you have te be aware of all newly to allocate filespaces to be cosecutive, though. |
| 04:27.42 | netman1 | Someone /aaneensluitend/ < English> ? |
| 04:27.57 | ootput | I'm english |
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| 04:28.56 | peterS | ansong: up here in wichita it's not that bleak, but I don't have a skills-appropriate job either |
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| 04:30.00 | buu | peterS: Hi! |
| 04:30.05 | peterS | HAY BUU |
| 04:30.10 | buu | peterS: Fix my problems. |
| 04:30.19 | peterS | buu: M-x doctor |
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| 04:30.37 | buu | peterS: Wrong problems =[ |
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| 04:30.57 | Antisoche | I'm looking for a terminal that can handle VT100 style escape codes, including graphics like lines, arcs, etc. Anyone know of any? Google and apt-cache search don't seem to be helping me much here. :( |
| 04:31.43 | biffhero | is anyone else having xorg lock up their machine? My thinkpad locks up _hard_, only power switch does anything |
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| 04:32.08 | biffhero | it started after the most recent xorg upgrade |
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| 04:32.54 | biffhero | raf256: did you try http://incoming.debian.org ?? |
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| 04:33.23 | to-enk | gue mo cari cewek yang hoby party..... |
| 04:33.26 | raf256 | biffhero: ok I did insalled it |
| 04:33.43 | biffhero | I had to fix mine by hand last night. #debian was a big help |
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| 04:36.20 | ice_1963 | Antisoche try here www.aboutdebian.com/ |
| 04:36.58 | Antisoche | ice_1963: Is there a terminal emulator there that'll do graphics? |
| 04:37.02 | zeballin3 | What is difference between ctl-alt-backspace and KDE->logout->end current session ? They are NOT the same. |
| 04:37.08 | ice_1963 | yes |
| 04:37.27 | Guerin | zeballin3: c-a-b kills the x server |
| 04:37.37 | Antisoche | zeballin3: ca-backspace kills the X server, so the system doesn't get a chance to shutdown nicely |
| 04:37.47 | Guerin | zeballin3: it doesn't log you out orclose anything down gracefully, it just kills it stone dead |
| 04:38.10 | litage | i've noticed that a couple of my keys are muddled. /root/dbootstrap_settings says: KEYBD="i386/qwerty/uk" but i've got a US keyboard. how can i remove everything to do with UK keyboard and switch to US? |
| 04:38.14 | Antisoche | ice_1963: Can you give me a more directed link please? |
| 04:38.22 | zeballin3 | end current session does not restart X ? |
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| 04:39.21 | Guerin | litage: drxx |
| 04:39.44 | Antisoche | zeballin3: When X starts it runs an external program. This is typically something KDE like. When you exit KDE, you are actually exiting the KDE program. When the program that X starts exits, X exits. Then, another program like xdm or kdm sees that X exited, and restarts X with the login screen. |
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| 04:40.25 | litage | Guerin: what is drxx? |
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| 04:41.30 | ansong | peterS, to be honest, i don't need a job in IT, i just have no idea what else i would do. anyways, nice to meet you. i'm in Ponca City. about 1.5 hrs from Wichita. |
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| 04:41.53 | peterS | ansong: oh, I know someone from there, goes to wichita state u. |
| 04:42.23 | bujin | hi where i can find sources for adding to my sources.list ,,,unstable |
| 04:42.47 | Antisoche | bujin: Copy the line that starts with 'deb' and replace it with 'deb-src' |
| 04:43.29 | Jmax | why does apt-get want to install exim whe installing mysql-client and mysql-server ? |
| 04:43.50 | biffhero | kdm, xdm, gdm, do all of those three run the xorg x server? |
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| 04:45.25 | ansong | peterS, it's a possibility that i'd know them. but only a slim one. i went to OKState |
| 04:45.50 | zeballin3 | Antisoche: thanks for the explanation. Always wondered about it. |
| 04:46.03 | peterS | ansong: how big is ponca city? I mean I don't know anything about it. we're talking about a musician named carrie cooley, anyway |
| 04:46.30 | Antisoche | zeballin3: It's actually quite a bit more confusing than that, but I've never fully figured it out myself. :) |
| 04:46.35 | ansong | biffhero, those programs can start x for you. but you don't need them to run xorg (they just make it purtier) |
| 04:46.59 | zeballin3 | Trying to set up PTP to work. When I plug in camera I get the icon and it will open in Kong. but there are no picture files. What am I missing? |
| 04:47.18 | bujin | hey sarge is testins? |
| 04:47.23 | bujin | testing |
| 04:47.24 | bujin | ? |
| 04:47.38 | Antisoche | etch is testing |
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| 04:47.55 | peterS | bujin: sarge is stable now, as of June 2005. etch, as Antisoche says, is the new testing |
| 04:48.41 | bujin | so now is sarge stable etch testing and who is unstable? |
| 04:48.57 | Antisoche | unstable is always sid |
| 04:49.09 | bujin | ok |
| 04:49.21 | ansong | peterS, population in 2000 was ~26000 |
| 04:49.32 | peterS | ansong: *nod* |
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| 04:49.55 | Antisoche | If I'm looking for a terminal that can display graphics like lines and arc, do I have to write my own emulator or is there something already available? Anyone? |
| 04:50.52 | biffhero | ansong: thanks, I understand that they each do what we used to do with our X startup scripts (via startx), but when only kdm is running, what is doing the graphics work? I am trying to track down some lockups, and I don't know if xorg code is running at kdm time or not. |
| 04:51.13 | ansong | peterS, and i'm a bit older than most recent graduates. so i doubt i know your friend. |
| 04:51.56 | cleit0n | hi, anyone use amulator ps2 in debian, and recondet one to me |
| 04:52.04 | ansong | biffhero, well, get to the kdm login prompt, then switch to another console and see |
| 04:53.24 | biffhero | ansong: heh, good point. Did that, and only kdm and kdm_greet are running, nothing called xorg. hrmm... it kind of points away from xorg for the lockups, then. |
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| 04:53.56 | Antisoche | biffhero: Do a pstree -ap and look again |
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| 04:54.37 | Pupeno | [OT] is there a way to be sure if an RFC wasn't obsoleted by another one ? |
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| 04:55.37 | Jmax | hm |
| 04:55.42 | Jmax | can i install mysql-server without exim? |
| 04:55.58 | biffhero | Antisoche: yep, it is running Xorg.... -nolisten ... thanks |
| 04:56.03 | Guerin | Jmax: yes, choose another mta |
| 04:56.08 | Jmax | Guerin, i don't want any |
| 04:56.14 | Guerin | Jmax: you need one. |
| 04:56.17 | Jmax | why? |
| 04:56.31 | Guerin | Jmax: so your daemon can send mail when it needs to. |
| 04:56.40 | Guerin | as mysql sometimes does |
| 04:56.46 | Jmax | fair enough |
| 04:57.01 | Guerin | i recomment ssmtp if you just need a minimal mta] |
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| 05:00.16 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 05:00.41 | yos87 | hi |
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| 05:01.10 | peterS | hey |
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| 05:01.51 | litage | when i tell my box to shutdown, it doesn't actually shut the power off. do i need a particular package to accomplish this? |
| 05:01.54 | yos87 | peterS:good morning |
| 05:02.37 | peterS | morning. or late evening, in my case. |
| 05:02.48 | odla | litage: what kernel? |
| 05:02.50 | yos87 | I know |
| 05:02.50 | odla | 2.4? |
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| 05:03.09 | yos87 | peterS: I install debian |
| 05:03.16 | yos87 | but it's only back screen |
| 05:03.21 | tengulre11 | Hi,all! |
| 05:03.28 | tengulre11 | how to config a ADSL proxy server? |
| 05:03.29 | litage | odla, 2.6.15-1 |
| 05:03.30 | yos87 | peterS: only command |
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| 05:03.44 | primate | greetings all |
| 05:04.20 | tengulre11 | we have 87 users in our company! It have 2 ADSL lines, so I want to config a poxy server for them! |
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| 05:04.28 | tengulre11 | anybody can give some tips? |
| 05:04.55 | worthy | anyone here using kopete? |
| 05:05.09 | yos87 | tengulre11: I think from the group policy |
| 05:05.13 | worthy | irc on kopete? |
| 05:05.48 | SupraX | I used but kopete crashed here when I ignored any message. |
| 05:06.10 | yos87 | tengulre11: I think it's right click your domain, edit, and look for a proxy something |
| 05:06.13 | worthy | wow i didn't know we had such gaim fans here |
| 05:06.19 | worthy | anyone paltalk fans too? |
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| 05:06.27 | yos87 | peterS: are you here |
| 05:06.32 | peterS | no |
| 05:06.37 | dutch_ | Bad to eject a CD before unmounting? |
| 05:06.47 | yos87 | peterS: busy |
| 05:06.48 | ercin | how can i get core file generated ? |
| 05:06.52 | peterS | dutch_: usually not even possible |
| 05:06.53 | tengulre11 | yos87: thank your answer, but can you give me some documents or website? |
| 05:07.02 | peterS | dutch_: since the kernel tells the cdrom drive to lock its tray |
| 05:07.22 | rixth | Debian failed to recognise my network card on install, how do I configure it now? |
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| 05:07.55 | Tarantulafudge | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:08.08 | Siv0x | whats the apt-get install command to get all my fonts? |
| 05:08.11 | Tarantulafudge | aptitude remove <mypackage> |
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| 05:08.16 | dutch_ | thanks guys |
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| 05:09.16 | ryanium | is installing ssh as easy as just apt-get install openssh ? lol |
| 05:09.36 | Siv0x | ryanium, apt-get install ssh |
| 05:09.44 | ryanium | Thanks. lol |
| 05:09.47 | Siv0x | np |
| 05:10.50 | Tarantulafudge | is there a reason for this? |
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| 05:12.03 | Tarantulafudge | please? |
| 05:12.20 | daos | is there any other good samba chans besides #samba? I am already in #samba |
| 05:12.22 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: did you use aptitude to install the package in the first place? |
| 05:12.27 | dutch_ | Siv0x, what IS the apt-get install command to install fonts? |
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| 05:12.29 | Tarantulafudge | peterS: yes. |
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| 05:12.48 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: then it should have marked the dependencies as automatically installed, and should remove them too. curious that it doesn't |
| 05:12.50 | pattern | does anyone know a scriptable app that will send arbitrary keystrokes and mouse events to other applications? (something like a scriptable macro facility for X) |
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| 05:12.53 | daos | I need help specifically with samba and Active Directory? |
| 05:12.54 | Siv0x | dutch, idk thats why i'm asking you.. |
| 05:12.57 | Siv0x | rofl |
| 05:13.03 | Tarantulafudge | peterS: so what now |
| 05:13.06 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: that is, assuming the dependencies were not *already* installed at the time you used aptitude |
| 05:13.33 | yos87 | tengulre11: I don't have a document or site under my hand, use google to search for network course |
| 05:13.38 | Tarantulafudge | maybe they were, |
| 05:13.44 | row | is there a overwrite flag for wget? |
| 05:13.47 | Tarantulafudge | whats the php module for netpbm? |
| 05:13.50 | yos87 | tengulre11: or try to you www.w3schools.com |
| 05:13.53 | peterS | Tarantulafudge: run aptitude interactively and use the [ and M keys to mark things as auto-installed if you don't particularly want them specifically |
| 05:14.02 | tengulre11 | yos87: thanks a lot! |
| 05:14.07 | Siv0x | when i try to open certian things, it gives me an error that it can't find the fonts needed.. so i figure i need to install all the fonts.. |
| 05:14.10 | litage | i just hooked up a parallel ATA drive and booted from my SATA drive (/dev/sda). however, fdisk /dev/hd[a-d] doesn't list anything, despite there being several partitions on the PATA drive. how can i get linux to recognize the PATA drive? |
| 05:14.21 | yos87 | tengulre11: welcome |
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| 05:14.36 | peterS | litage: does 'cat /proc/partitions' recognise the ATA drive? |
| 05:14.48 | litage | peterS: no |
| 05:14.50 | peterS | litage: if not, you probably need to load one or more IDE modules |
| 05:14.57 | litage | ah |
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| 05:15.22 | peterS | litage: do you know what your IDE chip is? 'lspci -n | awk '/0200 /{print $3}' will tell |
| 05:15.33 | peterS | or just 'lspci | grep IDE' |
| 05:15.36 | Siv0x | someone, can't you tell me how to get all my fonts??? .. |
| 05:15.46 | peterS | uh, instead of /0200 / I meant /0200:/ |
| 05:15.48 | daos | anyone know what this error means? "error code was NT_STATUS_PIPE_NOT_AVAILABLE (0xc00000ac)" and how to fix it? |
| 05:15.56 | peterS | or even /0100:/ |
| 05:15.58 | peterS | doh. |
| 05:16.02 | rixth | Debian failed to recognise my network card on install, how do I configure it now? |
| 05:16.11 | litage | peterS: that returns: 10ec:8169 |
| 05:16.24 | peterS | litage: yeah sorry, I meant /0101:/ - I'll get it right eventually |
| 05:16.43 | Siv0x | rixth, when it tells you to 'enter to boot, type, linux26 and then press enter.. |
| 05:16.44 | peterS | litage: you just told me you have a realtek gigabit ethernet chip :/ |
| 05:16.48 | litage | 0101 returns: 8086:2651 |
| 05:16.56 | litage | peterS: well, that's true! |
| 05:17.03 | peterS | heh |
| 05:17.06 | peterS | litage: ok that's the "piix" IDE driver |
| 05:17.15 | litage | peterS: how did you look that up? |
| 05:17.31 | peterS | litage: I didn't, I just knew 8086 means Intel, and all Intel IDE chips use the piix driver (: |
| 05:17.43 | litage | fubar! |
| 05:17.52 | peterS | litage: I can look up specific kernel support for specific chips but the answer I gave was the easy part |
| 05:18.34 | peterS | litage: as for 10ec:8169, that's something I just happened to know - 10ec meaning realtek, and they ship a gigabit chip labeled 8169. |
| 05:18.53 | litage | peterS: ``lsmod | grep piix'' returns ata_piix and libata |
| 05:19.15 | peterS | litage: ata_piix is SATA, and only supports a limited set of PATA chips |
| 05:19.36 | peterS | litage: try loading the 'piix' and 'ide_generic' and 'ide_disk' modules |
| 05:19.45 | jcwong | btw, ethemes is still broke? |
| 05:19.49 | peterS | litage: I forget why you need ide_generic but I think you do |
| 05:19.57 | rixth | Siv0x, no, I have already installed. How do I configure it now? |
| 05:20.00 | stew | and don't load ide_generic before piix! |
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| 05:20.12 | peterS | stew: yeah good point |
| 05:20.16 | litage | peterS: done |
| 05:20.18 | jcwong | sorry, wrong channel :) |
| 05:20.23 | peterS | litage: so check /proc/partitions again |
| 05:20.23 | Siv0x | rixth, open a console and try 'dhclient' |
| 05:20.31 | daos | anyone using samba with AD? |
| 05:20.38 | litage | peterS: /proc/partitions only lists sda |
| 05:20.40 | rixth | I want a static IP tough |
| 05:21.00 | peterS | litage: so does 'dmesg' tell you anything about what piix and ide_generic might have wrought when they loaded? |
| 05:21.08 | Siv0x | ermm, thats up to your ISP though, right? |
| 05:21.22 | stew | rixth: man interfaces ; /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 05:21.34 | Siv0x | heh :S |
| 05:21.36 | litage | peterS: unfortunately not. the last dmesg msg is from booting: eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 05:22.15 | rixth | stew, no, your missing my point. It didn't detect it, nor load the module |
| 05:22.30 | stew | rixth: do you know what module you need? |
| 05:22.31 | rixth | Even though it usually does, ubuntu ALWAYS does |
| 05:22.32 | peterS | litage: hmmm, ata_piix actually does claim to support your IDE chip. in which case it'll be a /dev/sdsomething after all |
| 05:22.39 | rixth | Yes, the one for the tigon 3 chipset |
| 05:22.41 | rixth | tg3 I think |
| 05:22.46 | stew | rixth: put tg3 into /etc/modules |
| 05:22.52 | peterS | litage: even though it's classic IDE it'll still show up as a scsi-like driver |
| 05:22.52 | rixth | Okay cool, thanks |
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| 05:23.37 | ercin | how can i get core dump generated ? |
| 05:23.43 | willo | uh? |
| 05:23.45 | litage | peterS: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ArmJun85.html |
| 05:23.57 | willo | why do you want to generate a core dump? and of what? |
| 05:24.13 | ercin | willo, i have some trouble with gnome |
| 05:24.27 | ercin | and want to file a bug with some backtrace |
| 05:24.37 | peterS | litage: doh, as stew said, don't load ide_generic before piix. don't know if that would make the difference here or not. unfortunately *both* put themselves in a "can never unload except by rebooting" state |
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| 05:25.17 | stew | loading ide_generic first just makes it such that you'll never be able to use DMA and stuff, i don't know that it would render it completely useless thoug |
| 05:25.18 | willo | uhkey? well, tried to strace? |
| 05:25.19 | peterS | anyway it shouldn't actually matter, ata_piix should've claimed the IDE chip as well as the SATA chip |
| 05:25.34 | stew | however it sounds like loading.. yeah that ^^^ |
| 05:25.34 | ercin | willo, oh not tried |
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| 05:25.55 | peterS | litage: so what kernel version do you have to thank for this mess? |
| 05:26.01 | willo | I think strace will be more useful than a core-file. |
| 05:26.20 | litage | peterS: 2.6.15-1-686-smp |
| 05:26.34 | peterS | litage: that's plenty new enough to know about that chip |
| 05:26.41 | litage | peterS: running testing, installed from backports.org |
| 05:27.25 | peterS | litage: in fact, in 2.6.12 and presumably newer, "piix" doesn't know about your 2651 chip, only "ata_piix" does |
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| 05:28.07 | peterS | litage: (I'm grepping /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap, btw. the second and third column are where you look for the 8086 and 2651) |
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| 05:30.00 | litage | peterS: hrmm... |
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| 05:31.16 | peterS | litage: anyway that's the rule: ata_piix will produce sda sdb sdc, piix will produce hda hdb hdc hdd. if your IDE interface is picked up by *neither*, I guess you get neither |
| 05:31.27 | Shadda | Anyone have some experience with pure-ftpd-pgsql ? |
| 05:31.29 | Shadda | Restarting ftp server: Running: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-postgresql-virtualchroot -l pgsql:/etc/pure-ftpd/db/postgresql.conf -u 1000 -E -O clf:/var/log/pure-ftpd/transfer.log -B |
| 05:31.32 | Shadda | According to every doc I can find |
| 05:31.42 | litage | peterS: does it matter what the jumper settings on the PATA HD are? |
| 05:31.43 | peterS | litage: I'd be interested to know if you have a /proc/ide/piix and if so if it has anything interesting in it |
| 05:31.44 | Shadda | That says I'm running with postgres authentication. This is what I want, however, It's not using postgres, it's using PAM |
| 05:32.08 | litage | peterS: the only file in /proc/ide/ is drivers |
| 05:32.26 | peterS | litage: right so piix wasn't able to initialise and find any hardware to play with |
| 05:32.37 | peterS | litage: the drive's jumpers will determine master / slave arrangements, and if you have a slave on a cable with no master, that can cause problems, but that's all |
| 05:33.02 | stew | peterS: it can? |
| 05:33.19 | peterS | stew: with some IDE chips, certainly. with some you don't really notice anything wrong |
| 05:33.49 | peterS | stew: same probably goes for violating specs on cable length - a modern ATA cable should be no longer *or* shorter than 19 inches, but a lot of them violate that |
| 05:34.04 | litage | peterS: the drive's got no jumper at the moment, so i'm not sure what it's set to. however, before it was in my box, it was the primary HD in another box that was booted from, so i'm guessing it's set to master |
| 05:34.06 | stew | news to me. not that i've done i've done it often |
| 05:34.26 | litage | peterS: the PATA HD's on the same IDE cable as my dvd-rom. if they're both set to master, will anything funky happen? |
| 05:34.38 | peterS | stew: I saw a G3 or something once that had like a 4-inch IDE cable. I didn't know at the time that it violated the ATA spec, and apparently that didn't cause problems, but it does |
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| 05:34.48 | rohan | hi all |
| 05:34.52 | rohan | reading the wiki, |
| 05:34.53 | peterS | litage: yeah, they won't work |
| 05:34.54 | rohan | One of the real funnies was when pam broke. Pam does all the user checking, so without pam no-one can log in. Not even root could log in. You must be able to handle such situation when you're running Unstable. |
| 05:35.04 | rohan | how is one supposed to handle that situation ? |
| 05:35.16 | litage | peterS: ah. i'll reboot and set the HD to slave and see what happens |
| 05:35.20 | peterS | litage: in the modern world you should always set all IDE devices to "cable select". so the device at the end of the cable gets to be master and the one in the middle gets to be slave |
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| 05:35.41 | litage | peterS: i'll remember that for later. thanks :) |
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| 05:35.52 | stew | peterS: right, and along those lines, motorola is now shipping 4ft ethernet cables with their cable modems, which caused my parents some hassle until i told them to switch it |
| 05:35.54 | peterS | modern IDE devices, fortunately, are also always labeled well so you can tell what jumper settings you need for this |
| 05:36.20 | SperMite | how do i install this file NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8178-pkg1.run.part. / i tried to chmod it and ./ but i got Error in check sums 4140141810 3271818591 |
| 05:36.29 | peterS | in the distant past you sometimes had to wander around random vendor FTP sites for text files with ascii art diagrams of jumper settings. blech. |
| 05:36.58 | chealer | SperMite: you don't. using nvidia.com's installer on Debian is a bad idea. |
| 05:37.07 | chealer | !tell SperMite about ngd |
| 05:37.45 | rohan | how does one handle the situation that pam is broken, and no user, not even root can login ? |
| 05:37.52 | rohan | it happened once, on unstable. |
| 05:38.05 | peterS | rohan: perhaps "/msg dpkg ifrp" |
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| 05:38.16 | peterS | rohan: (that's sort for "I forgot root's password" - similar situation) |
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| 05:38.58 | rohan | peterS: cant be. you can still login, here you canot login at all |
| 05:39.11 | peterS | rohan: take it or leave it then |
| 05:39.30 | rohan | peterS: i am reading it. :| |
| 05:39.53 | peterS | for actually *fixing* the pam situation you have to figure out what is actually wrong with it at the time |
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| 05:40.03 | peterS | but for getting into the machine, the 'ifrp' advice at least does work |
| 05:40.25 | rohan | peterS: ah, ok. then you can get into the machine and do apt-get update; dist-upgrade :) |
| 05:40.54 | peterS | rohan: well, after the necessary incantations of things like 'mount -o remount,rw /' and 'mount -a' and '/etc/init.d/networking start' and stuff |
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| 05:41.10 | rohan | peterS: yes. |
| 05:41.44 | recondite | will I get flamed if I ask questions in here? |
| 05:41.50 | peterS | recondite: maybe |
| 05:41.52 | recondite | lol |
| 05:42.12 | peterS | recondite: maybe I should flame you for asking whether you should ask a question. /topic explicitly tells you not to ask-to-ask |
| 05:42.31 | recondite | who reads topics (I'm joking) |
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| 05:42.35 | yos87 | peterS: why you ignore me |
| 05:42.39 | peterS | recondite: ehhh, maybe it doesn't say that at the moment. it used to say that prominently. |
| 05:42.54 | peterS | yos87: I'm not ignoring you. I didn't see your questions |
| 05:43.17 | recondite | I just have some questions about changing hard drives which I've had no luck forum trolling and googling |
| 05:43.21 | yos87 | peterS: sorry |
| 05:43.57 | yos87 | peterS: thank you for help anyway, |
| 05:44.04 | peterS | recondite: careful with that word 'trolling', that's the last thing we want to see in here. I suppose you don't mean it in that sense |
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| 05:44.07 | yos87 | otherwise nobody to helpme |
| 05:44.31 | peterS | yos87: well, that really depends on time of day - lots of people are around here but at certain times there aren't so many people awake and paying attention |
| 05:44.41 | recondite | peterS: I just mean forum "hunting" |
| 05:44.47 | peterS | yeah, I figured |
| 05:44.52 | peterS | just saying, that's not our favorite word in here (: |
| 05:44.56 | yos87 | peterS: I install debian, but it's only black screen, command line |
| 05:45.13 | yos87 | no graphic? |
| 05:45.25 | croddy | yos87: that is normal. you need to install a desktop environment if you want a GUI |
| 05:46.46 | peterS | yos87: is that a question? if you want for example the gnome desktop environment, you probably want 'aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment x-window-system-core' |
| 05:47.24 | yos87 | so it's not including the file I download |
| 05:47.25 | recondite | well, flame away, but here's my problem: I have a win2k disk (hda), and Debian-Etch (hdb), I want to wipe the win2k disk and use it for my server, and make the Deb disk the primary boot disk. Since grub is installed on hda, I'm having a tough time figuring out how I'm going to do this |
| 05:48.17 | peterS | recondite: you can run 'grub-install /dev/hdb' I think. then shut down, swap the drives and boot |
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| 05:48.22 | yos87 | croddy: I have to install the inviro through command line |
| 05:48.54 | croddy | yos87: yes. you can use tasksel if you prefer. |
| 05:49.04 | recondite | peterS: some preliminary reading leads me to believe that using grub-install on a running system is "dangerous." Should it be okay though? |
| 05:49.09 | peterS | recondite: the boot process won't be very smooth because by then /etc/fstab will be out of date w/r/t hda and hdb. you'll need to go in and fix that |
| 05:49.32 | peterS | recondite: I guess you can fix /etc/fstab before rebooting. Anyway I think 'grub-install /dev/hdb' on a running system is safe - I can't think of any reasons why not |
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| 05:49.42 | recondite | peterS: thanks, something that didn't immediately occur to me (the fstab) |
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| 05:49.56 | peterS | recondite: yeah, been there done that |
| 05:50.01 | yos87 | croddy: I will look for the command line guid, thank you groddy gaim |
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| 05:50.12 | recondite | peterS: I might've been reading old doc's or something |
| 05:50.34 | peterS | recondite: yeah I'd be interested in *why* grub-install is unsafe. there could be reasons and they may or may not be relevant to modern environments |
| 05:50.49 | recondite | peterS: that's kind of what I'm thinking |
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| 05:52.11 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
| 05:52.20 | peterS | it's a daveman |
| 05:52.25 | Daveman | Yay! |
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| 05:55.29 | daos | I am a legend, lmao. if anyone cares the error I was having was cause of clock skew was too great, changed that to match the DC and all is good ;) |
| 05:55.39 | recondite | peterS: Hey thanks for the help, I'm going to do a grub-install on my second hard drive, edit fstab, shutdown, swap cables, config bios, and report back. Thanks again |
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| 05:55.49 | peterS | recondite: yeah cool |
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| 06:01.09 | Dewi | what does ".d" mean? |
| 06:01.12 | Dewi | as in init.d |
| 06:01.13 | Dewi | rc.d |
| 06:01.47 | Dewi | resolv.conf.d |
| 06:02.09 | peterS | Dewi: directory |
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| 06:02.29 | Dewi | peterS: oh. anti-climactic. |
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| 06:02.48 | peterS | Dewi: traditionally a .d directory is one that arbitrary people and packages can drop stuff into and it'll all take effect, not just specific predetermined files in it |
| 06:03.20 | peterS | Dewi: i.e., the implication is that whatever uses the directory does an 'ls' on it to see what files to use, rather than having a list somewhere |
| 06:03.48 | Dewi | how can I find out how to set up resolv.conf? |
| 06:04.02 | Dewi | debconf said to put references to my name servers in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 06:04.09 | Dewi | but I have no idea how to do that |
| 06:04.40 | Dewi | peterS: aah, I see. |
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| 06:06.35 | Dewi | for that matter |
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| 06:06.47 | Dewi | does /etc/network/interfaces have some kind of official documented syntax somewhere? |
| 06:06.59 | Dewi | I never know how to find this sort of stuff |
| 06:07.10 | croddy | man interfaces |
| 06:07.13 | croddy | :-) |
| 06:07.15 | Dewi | nothing |
| 06:07.18 | Dewi | and so I'm screwed |
| 06:07.23 | Dewi | oh crap |
| 06:07.27 | vin` | Dewi: using dhcp? |
| 06:07.35 | streuner | !tell Dewi about interfaces |
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| 06:07.37 | Dewi | bloody hell |
| 06:07.43 | Dewi | I was using man in the wrong window |
| 06:07.48 | Dewi | on a fedora server |
| 06:07.59 | vin` | eww |
| 06:08.07 | croddy | man resolv.conf too |
| 06:08.23 | Dewi | croddy: I just installed resolvconf |
| 06:08.38 | Dewi | croddy: so resolv.conf is no longer under my control |
| 06:08.46 | croddy | indeed |
| 06:09.26 | Dewi | I can't see anything about 'dns' or 'resolv' in man interfaces |
| 06:09.36 | Dewi | nor anything about interfaces in man resolv.conf |
| 06:09.42 | Shadda | argh |
| 06:09.48 | SperMite | anyone have a etch sources.list thet could pastebin me, ? the ones on in the apt-set dont have all the sources. i need |
| 06:09.53 | Shadda | pure-ftpd is the biggest pile...aaargghhh |
| 06:10.06 | Dewi | and I have to somehow convert from what deb installer did, to what resolvconf wants |
| 06:10.32 | yos87 | I go |
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| 06:10.57 | Dewi | SperMite: what are you missing? |
| 06:11.36 | tarzeau | heh |
| 06:11.50 | Dewi | SperMite: http://pastebin.com/509434 |
| 06:12.00 | Dewi | SperMite: etch plus security |
| 06:12.40 | SperMite | Dewi need to get module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common |
| 06:12.44 | SperMite | ok thanks man |
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| 06:14.55 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:14.55 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:15.03 | yos87 | how can I setup a desktop environment for debian |
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| 06:15.23 | yos87 | how can I setup a desktop environment for debian |
| 06:15.33 | yos87 | in command |
| 06:15.51 | croddy | yos87: if you run 'tasksel' one of the options will be to install a desktop environment |
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| 06:21.03 | Dewi | apparently resolvconf is meant to run when I 'ifup' |
| 06:21.07 | Dewi | I just did: $ sudo ifdown -a; sleep 5; sudo ifup -a |
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| 06:21.30 | Dewi | didn't do much... where should I be looking for this "hook"? |
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| 06:22.14 | thux | Hi, where to write modules that I don't want to load in boot? |
| 06:23.04 | cahoot | thux: try /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 06:23.46 | Dewi | my god |
| 06:23.54 | klys | ati anyone? (is the page missing) |
| 06:24.14 | tarzeau | yeah i got ati |
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| 06:24.43 | thux | cahoot: thanx |
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| 06:25.04 | recondite | peterS: thanks, the grub-install on the second HD worked like we talked about |
| 06:25.13 | peterS | recondite: cool! |
| 06:25.39 | recondite | peterS: there is some complaining about /proc though during boot, and I can't find the log which states it |
| 06:26.04 | peterS | recondite: yeah I can't help you there, without more specifics |
| 06:26.33 | klys | tarzeau: helpful link? |
| 06:26.45 | recondite | peterS: I'm going to have to enable a boot log or something to catch it (nothing in dmesg or /var/log/messages about it) |
| 06:26.49 | tarzeau | klys: what's the question? |
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| 06:27.40 | klys | we have unidentified model 556d, subsystem: MSI (unidentified) 0953 |
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| 06:29.16 | klys | xorg dies off complaining about a Radeon X800 XL |
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| 06:30.07 | fantomas | !folder |
| 06:30.07 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
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| 06:30.44 | klys | tarzeau: svgalib says we have "no VESA BIOS" |
| 06:30.57 | tarzeau | klys: your ati sucks |
| 06:31.14 | Azar | why only his? |
| 06:31.18 | tarzeau | klys: what says nethack? |
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| 06:32.42 | SperMite | how do i fix this : W: GPG error: http://ftp.nerim.net etch Release: |
| 06:32.50 | klys | tarzeau: nethack is a game I have yet to play |
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| 06:33.10 | tarzeau | klys: today is a great time to start |
| 06:33.44 | klys | tarzeau: you think vesafb will work ok? |
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| 06:33.49 | liable | SperMite: you have the key i take it? |
| 06:33.55 | Azar | nethack is cool |
| 06:33.57 | tarzeau | klys: i think nethack will work perfect without vesafb |
| 06:34.03 | tarzeau | klys: but yes you can try vesa |
| 06:34.04 | klys | pshaw |
| 06:34.07 | klys | kok |
| 06:34.12 | tarzeau | for x. and it'll be so slow you'll not want it |
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| 06:34.18 | SperMite | liable i have the source. i need the keys |
| 06:34.31 | Azar | egoboo is even cooler, but isn't ready yet |
| 06:34.33 | liable | SperMite: visit the homepage for marillat |
| 06:34.45 | klys | tarzeau: is ati.com likely to have kernel drivers? |
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| 06:35.36 | Azar | wow that is new for me: that why wasn't marillat working for me for the past 8 months? I need a key? |
| 06:35.51 | tarzeau | klys: dunno, but it sure sucks to reboot for things like that |
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| 06:36.08 | liable | Azar: it will still work, you just get the warnings. |
| 06:36.08 | tarzeau | klys: and it's only likely to work with linux |
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| 06:36.37 | tarzeau | Azar: i've never cared to read the manual on the keys of egoboo and it just didn't work without reading the manual |
| 06:36.39 | Azar | liable since I moved out of Woody and upgraded to Sarge, marillat never worked for me |
| 06:36.40 | liable | Azar: and sarge doesnt have the version of apt that checks that anyway |
| 06:37.01 | Azar | ah I see |
| 06:37.08 | liable | Azar: vivit his homepage and make sure your source line is *exactly* the same as his. |
| 06:37.23 | liable | Azar: because, stable wont work, but sarge will.. |
| 06:37.33 | Azar | tarzeau I read the manual still, there is no movement by keyboard and very little with the mouse... I guess it needs a joystick |
| 06:37.35 | liable | or vice versa i forget |
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| 06:38.03 | Azar | I will try that, liable, thanks |
| 06:38.50 | Azar | tarzeau the movement on the game seems very slow, I guess it needs lots of video power there... |
| 06:39.02 | tarzeau | Azar: yeah... power that i don't have... |
| 06:39.16 | tarzeau | Azar: that's why i stick to stuff like gnurobbo or http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 06:39.33 | Azar | tarzeau I only have 512MB ram and 128MB on the video, still seems like frozen action |
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| 06:39.39 | Eclipser | is there a way to use wild cards in aptitude install command? |
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| 06:39.48 | tarzeau | Azar: the thing is you need the special non-free cursed video drivers |
| 06:39.57 | tarzeau | Azar: and not what comes with debian or linux |
| 06:40.06 | tarzeau | Eclipser: yes |
| 06:40.10 | tarzeau | Eclipser: at least it works with apt-get |
| 06:40.21 | Azar | tarzeau, bah, I can wait.. one day they will come by |
| 06:40.22 | Dewi | where can I find a list of debconf priorities? 'man dpkg-reconfigure' refers to debconf (8), but I don't seem to have such a page |
| 06:40.28 | tarzeau | Eclipser: it'd surprise me if it wouldn't with aptitude. you need to know your shell (and quote it right) |
| 06:40.31 | Eclipser | aptitude install libboost-* just gave me all the possibilities but didn't install anything :( |
| 06:40.35 | sini | hi people, does any1 know anything about ssh? |
| 06:40.36 | tarzeau | Azar: hahaha :) |
| 06:40.36 | Dewi | all I have is debconf(7) which explains nothing |
| 06:40.37 | Azar | I got 6 great games, I mean that I like much |
| 06:40.45 | tarzeau | Azar: i wonder if we'll still be alive. that day |
| 06:40.52 | tarzeau | Azar: btw www.mtp-target.org 's great too |
| 06:41.02 | Azar | tarzeau patience is my main virtue |
| 06:41.03 | Eclipser | tarzeau, apt-get install libboost-* worked but not with aptitude :p |
| 06:41.07 | tarzeau | sini: just ask, people can't read your mind |
| 06:41.16 | jm_ | Dewi: where do you see it mentioning debconf(8)? |
| 06:41.23 | sini | i connect 2 my server n i get this -jailshell-2.05b$ |
| 06:41.24 | tarzeau | Eclipser: well you need to quote |
| 06:41.35 | tarzeau | Eclipser: it could've failed with apt-get too, but you had luck |
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| 06:41.38 | jm_ | Dewi: and debconf(7) explains the priorities |
| 06:41.41 | tarzeau | !QUOTE |
| 06:41.42 | houn | Waddup #Debian |
| 06:41.42 | King_Brad | Quote no.33 : I love work; it fascinates me; I can sit and watch it for hours. |
| 06:41.50 | sini | how do i find folders n directories there? |
| 06:41.51 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 06:41.51 | dpkg | qotd87 is probably <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
| 06:41.56 | tarzeau | !folders |
| 06:41.56 | dpkg | in non-moronic language, directories |
| 06:41.58 | Dewi | jm_: under the -p option |
| 06:41.59 | Dewi | jm_: See debconf(7) for a list. |
| 06:42.06 | tarzeau | sini: hey look, dpkg called you moron |
| 06:42.08 | Dewi | jm_: it's also in the see-also |
| 06:42.22 | jm_ | Dewi: yes, and that's debconf(7). not debconf(8) like you said |
| 06:42.27 | Dewi | jm_: look, I know nothing said to look at 8, but 8 is all I got |
| 06:42.28 | worthy | wow @ dpkg |
| 06:42.37 | sini | nah he was talkin 2 u |
| 06:42.39 | Dewi | jm_: which is exactly what I said. there is no debconf(7) on my system |
| 06:42.44 | tarzeau | sini: man find maybe? |
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| 06:43.02 | jm_ | Dewi: no, you said only thing you have is debconf(7) - you even don't know what you said 3 minutes ago |
| 06:43.03 | worthy | man ssh |
| 06:43.05 | Dewi | jm_: okay, it's what I said, only backwards :) |
| 06:43.08 | houn | Question: where's a good place for info on Debian Repositories? |
| 06:43.12 | sini | yea |
| 06:43.13 | sini | ssh |
| 06:43.15 | tarzeau | sini: and then check for -type |
| 06:43.23 | jm_ | Dewi: so you want debconf(7)? install debconf-doc |
| 06:43.42 | worthy | sini what was your question again? |
| 06:43.53 | tarzeau | worthy: nothing any sane person would understand |
| 06:43.57 | sini | ok |
| 06:44.01 | worthy | ahhh |
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| 06:44.10 | Azar | tarzeau I got: Epiphany, Holotz Castle, lbreakout2, Penguin Command, Technoballz, trackballs, Enigma, Pathological, Stratagus and Frozen Bubble |
| 06:44.13 | sini | i need to install something thats in my root folder on the server |
| 06:44.18 | Azar | ..and nethack ofcourse |
| 06:44.22 | sini | and when i connect ssh |
| 06:44.23 | worthy | i love lbreakout2 |
| 06:44.28 | tarzeau | Azar: try also pathogen, jumpnbump, supertux and supertransball2 |
| 06:44.29 | Azar | I like them all |
| 06:44.32 | sini | i go 2 this directory |
| 06:44.41 | liable | Azar: look out, tarzeau will get you hooked on bub n bros |
| 06:44.45 | sini | -jailshell-2.05b$ |
| 06:44.48 | jm_ | xkobo is also fun |
| 06:44.58 | Azar | :) thanks I will check them out |
| 06:45.01 | tarzeau | oh, and dopewars |
| 06:45.06 | sini | and how do go where my program is |
| 06:45.11 | tarzeau | liable: he'll check it out :) HEH |
| 06:45.19 | liable | :) |
| 06:45.21 | worthy | are you jailshell? |
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| 06:45.31 | tarzeau | worthy: i think he's using moronshell |
| 06:45.33 | worthy | sini ls -l |
| 06:45.42 | worthy | awww |
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| 06:46.00 | tarzeau | really this isn't #unixcoursesfordummies |
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| 06:46.17 | worthy | what is xkobo like? |
| 06:46.21 | Azar | Holotz Castle brings me memories of the old Atari Bounty |
| 06:46.40 | sini | really nice people |
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| 06:46.48 | worthy | im looking for games more on the entertainment level and graphics of lbreakout. what's out there, im new. |
| 06:46.48 | sini | makin fun of us starters |
| 06:46.57 | Azar | sini get used to it |
| 06:47.19 | Azar | I am being made fun of for 3 years now and I am still here |
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| 06:47.25 | tarzeau | Azar, worthy also try mazeofgalious |
| 06:47.30 | sini | hahaha |
| 06:47.42 | sini | :) |
| 06:48.17 | jm_ | xkobo is a shooter game, with scrolling in all directions (it's 2D) |
| 06:48.20 | Azar | tarzeau, you know, I am amazed that such an intensive graphics game as Enigma works and egoboo not, I guess egoboo is not well done or not finished |
| 06:48.38 | tarzeau | Azar: most 3d games suck (for sure on linux) |
| 06:48.44 | tarzeau | Azar: actually most games on linux sucks |
| 06:48.50 | tarzeau | Azar: the good ones are just ports |
| 06:48.50 | Azar | jm_ I have glanced at Doom II package, I doubt would work |
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| 06:48.57 | tarzeau | Azar: tried xrick yet, btw? |
| 06:49.06 | jm_ | Azar: why wouldn't it work? |
| 06:49.10 | Azar | tarzeau not yet |
| 06:49.19 | worthy | jim_ cool |
| 06:49.25 | Azar | jm_ I should try it though |
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| 06:49.57 | croddy | ut2004 |
| 06:50.10 | Azar | tarzeau are those for Sarge with kernel 2.6.8 ? |
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| 06:50.18 | worthy | i heard alot about this Doom game |
| 06:50.23 | worthy | is that a war game? |
| 06:50.30 | croddy | you cna run chex quest in dosbox |
| 06:50.34 | tarzeau | Azar: kernel is irrelevant. but no some are not ins sarge. maybe check backports.org |
| 06:50.52 | tarzeau | worthy: no it's a strategy game where you collect colored keys |
| 06:51.07 | worthy | ohhh |
| 06:51.09 | worthy | boring? |
| 06:51.10 | tarzeau | worthy: there's blue, red and yellow keys i think |
| 06:51.16 | tarzeau | worthy: no it's pretty addictive |
| 06:51.22 | Azar | tarzeau, I guess so because I checked all games offered in stable |
| 06:51.26 | worthy | humph |
| 06:51.32 | fireox | i downloaded firefox1.5 and extracted it using ark. what to do next to install it? this is not in the release note or i am too dumb to understand it. |
| 06:51.43 | worthy | ever hear a rumor about doom being loaded with exploits? |
| 06:51.53 | worthy | i remember that when i was on redhat years ago |
| 06:52.02 | tarzeau | fireox: use the debian package |
| 06:52.18 | tarzeau | fireox: or try a real browser instead |
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| 06:52.31 | worthy | yeah like epiphany lol |
| 06:52.38 | tarzeau | or dillo, or links2 -g |
| 06:52.47 | fireox | tarzeau: pls don't tell me that. i have used up about 8MB of my download quota. |
| 06:52.59 | tarzeau | fireox: of how much total? hehe |
| 06:53.00 | worthy | what do you use tarzeau? |
| 06:53.07 | tarzeau | worthy: links2 -g mainly |
| 06:53.23 | tarzeau | fireox: omg... you have quota on downloads? |
| 06:53.26 | fireox | tarzeau: 240MB but only <50 remaining for the month. |
| 06:53.28 | worthy | type that at the command? links2 -g |
| 06:53.32 | Azar | tarzeau if your video card holds, try trackballs, true 3D very nice graphics |
| 06:53.36 | tarzeau | worthy: yes apt-get install links2 first |
| 06:53.47 | tarzeau | Azar: tried it already, didn't like gameplay |
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| 06:53.49 | fireox | tarzeau: mine is volume-based subscription. |
| 06:53.59 | worthy | then what's second? |
| 06:53.59 | tarzeau | Azar: tried pathogen yet? |
| 06:54.07 | tarzeau | fireox: how much does it cost? |
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| 06:54.17 | tarzeau | worthy: omniweb on OPENSTEP |
| 06:54.17 | Azar | I kind of remember it.. what was about? |
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| 06:54.31 | fireox | tarzeau: pls, that is not the issue now. how to install firefox? |
| 06:54.37 | tarzeau | Azar: strategy game with balls |
| 06:54.51 | tarzeau | fireox: apt-get install firefox or mozilla-firefox |
| 06:54.52 | worthy | install omniweb AND openstep? |
| 06:54.59 | Azar | checking to see if I have it |
| 06:55.03 | tarzeau | worthy: hehe, no openstep is an operating system |
| 06:55.20 | tarzeau | worthy: www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ but it's down now, no power, try in a few days |
| 06:55.21 | worthy | oh really |
| 06:55.21 | Azar | nope, installing now |
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| 06:55.27 | chbug | hi! is there a way to force network cards to get consistently the same #? I modprobe them in the order I wish, but there is a race when they detect their hw, which makes it quite random... |
| 06:55.33 | tarzeau | Azar: i've got a link to it somewhere if you want |
| 06:55.36 | worthy | ok i'll check that out |
| 06:55.44 | Azar | no apt-get for it? |
| 06:55.47 | tarzeau | omniweb still exists on mac os x, but that's just a broken openstep |
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| 06:55.53 | tarzeau | Azar: no it doesn't exist on debian. |
| 06:55.55 | Azar | I remember I seen it on the list of games |
| 06:55.55 | fireox | can anyone tell me how to install firefox1.5 fr source? |
| 06:56.03 | Azar | hmm holdon |
| 06:56.07 | liable | chbug: ifrename |
| 06:56.08 | tarzeau | fireox: get the source code, compile, install |
| 06:56.18 | tarzeau | fireox: but you really want the debian package |
| 06:56.22 | croddy | fireox: we are not kidding when we say you want the debian package |
| 06:56.22 | worthy | so just apt-get the links2 then right? tarzeau |
| 06:56.30 | tarzeau | croddy: he's from singapore |
| 06:56.35 | tarzeau | worthy: yes |
| 06:56.41 | worthy | ok |
| 06:56.45 | fireox | croddy: y? |
| 06:57.08 | fireox | debian package is now only 1.0, which i am currently using. |
| 06:57.18 | tarzeau | fireox: no it's 1.5 |
| 06:57.27 | tarzeau | fireox: but mind to tell if you have sarge or sid? |
| 06:57.28 | liable | fireox: it get backported for sarge |
| 06:57.29 | chbug | liable: isn't it to "fix" the issue afterward? (I'm downloading the packet...) |
| 06:57.30 | fireox | tarzeau: for 'testing'? |
| 06:57.32 | tarzeau | it was renamed to firefox only |
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| 06:57.36 | SperMite | yeah dellic it worked |
| 06:57.43 | tarzeau | well testing sucks, but it could be firefox too, and 1.5 |
| 06:57.48 | liable | chbug: it just names them according to mac address |
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| 06:57.50 | sini | so what do i do with -jailshell-2.05b$ |
| 06:58.01 | Azar | Package: pathogen (1.1.1-1) << runs in unstable :( |
| 06:58.08 | chbug | liable, this sounds perfect :-) |
| 06:58.28 | liable | chbug: yep, should do exactly what you want. :) |
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| 06:59.25 | Azar | my favorite for now is lbreakout2, I will wait, its only 11 and half months left until Etch comes out |
| 06:59.33 | houn | What's the package name for Kernel Sources in Debian? |
| 06:59.47 | fireox | tarzeau: i just checked. firefox for 'testing' is still at 1.0-4 |
| 07:00.09 | Azar | fireox: why are you trying to get the latest firefox? is buggy |
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| 07:01.01 | houn | nvm, found it |
| 07:01.04 | fireox | Azar: does not matter now. i want to use it. u know how to install it fr source? after extract, what should i do? |
| 07:01.16 | chealer | houn: depending on which kernel, something-source-2.something |
| 07:01.24 | tarzeau | fireox: i told you testing sucks |
| 07:01.32 | liable | fireox: read the README/INSTALL |
| 07:02.01 | tarzeau | houn: depends also if you are on sarge or sid |
| 07:02.22 | fireox | liable: that is the first thing i do. it has a link to 'getfire.com/release'. |
| 07:02.50 | liable | so, go there and read then. |
| 07:02.51 | fireox | and the info there does not indicate how to install. |
| 07:03.06 | houn | tarzeau: sarge, and I found it under kernel-source-xxxx |
| 07:03.23 | houn | I was verbally mocked for asking if I should run sid |
| 07:03.33 | worthy | this links2 is interesting |
| 07:03.42 | worthy | what is the -g option about? |
| 07:03.43 | liable | fireox: ask in ##linux, you will prolly find very few debian people that would bother to compile firefox. |
| 07:03.54 | fooz | worthy, really lightweight/fast graphical mode (in X) |
| 07:03.56 | fooz | worthy, it's cool |
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| 07:04.11 | worthy | fast is an understatement |
| 07:04.22 | sini | why is this happening?? -jailshell-2.05b$ tar xzf Unreal3.2-beta19.tar.gz |
| 07:04.23 | sini | tar: Skipping to next header |
| 07:04.28 | tarzeau | worthy: like -graphical |
| 07:04.34 | sini | gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file |
| 07:04.34 | sini | tar: Child returned status 1 |
| 07:04.36 | ootput | directfb? |
| 07:04.42 | croddy | sini: corrupt tar file? |
| 07:04.51 | worthy | what about without the -g |
| 07:04.55 | tarzeau | worthy: try it! |
| 07:05.02 | ootput | worthy: it's still a speedy sucker |
| 07:05.03 | tarzeau | worthy: it'll render graphics. fast too! |
| 07:05.09 | ootput | worthy: but it'll take much getting used |
| 07:05.13 | HermanDE | sini: Try and do a file Unreal3.2* |
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| 07:05.24 | tarzeau | ootput: nah, "g" and "shift-g" and f9 is all you need to know |
| 07:05.28 | HermanDE | sini: Ensure it is a tar.gz |
| 07:05.37 | worthy | i can't see swf with this? |
| 07:05.45 | tarzeau | worthy: no, of course not |
| 07:05.50 | tarzeau | swf is not the web |
| 07:05.50 | ootput | tarzeau: well, besides that |
| 07:05.54 | worthy | i see |
| 07:05.56 | DarkPurpose | i'm really tired from apt-get'ing all day but i love my new debian |
| 07:06.12 | worthy | how about flash? |
| 07:06.15 | sini | its not working |
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| 07:06.20 | fooz | swf is flash |
| 07:06.23 | sini | i checked it is the rite file |
| 07:06.23 | tarzeau | worthy: flash gordon? |
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| 07:06.25 | ootput | DarkPurpose: batch installs ;) |
| 07:06.28 | AciD | DarkPurpose > use cron :) |
| 07:07.04 | Azar | tarzeau I found another list of games: http://dir.filewatcher.com/d/Debian/i386/games.0.0.htm |
| 07:07.06 | tarzeau | !flash |
| 07:07.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is If you want the flashplayer browser plugin, go to http://www.flash.com and follow the instructions there. Or look at the flashplugin-nonfree package, or most flash crap you see is from banner ads, and very little of it actual real and potentially interesting content. get yourself some object blocking/filtering extensions in your favourite browser, or missing fonts? install gsfonts-x11 |
| 07:07.06 | HermanDE | sini: Did you do an md5 on the download? |
| 07:07.08 | tarzeau | !flashgordon |
| 07:07.16 | tarzeau | dpkg flashgordon is http://www.flashgordon.ws/ |
| 07:07.16 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 07:07.57 | DarkPurpose | thanks |
| 07:07.59 | sini | no it worked fine on my comp.n i just uploaded it on server |
| 07:08.12 | sini | tryin with ssh |
| 07:08.18 | ootput | anybody here shave their heads? |
| 07:08.22 | vin` | !gnash |
| 07:08.25 | croddy | i shave my balls |
| 07:08.26 | tarzeau | ootput: no |
| 07:08.27 | sini | gettin these errors |
| 07:08.31 | tarzeau | croddy: so do i |
| 07:08.32 | ootput | tarzeau: sure there are! |
| 07:08.33 | HermanDE | sini: Do an md5 on both files... Pretty simple... Ensure that bits didn't fall off... |
| 07:08.49 | tarzeau | ootput: i don't think any one wants to lick my head |
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| 07:08.54 | tarzeau | croddy: right? |
| 07:09.15 | ootput | tarzeau: and you have no right to think so |
| 07:09.27 | vin` | thought control? |
| 07:09.33 | nite613 | I'm looking for something to help keep the package list and (most) config files synched on multiple machines. Any pointers? |
| 07:09.50 | sini | it seems 2 b fine, should i try uploadin it again? |
| 07:09.56 | tarzeau | croddy: chest? |
| 07:10.05 | DarkPurpose | i use a #1 guard |
| 07:10.10 | HermanDE | sini: Sure... What do you have to loose? |
| 07:10.24 | tarzeau | HermanDE: he's got internet quota! |
| 07:10.30 | tarzeau | HermanDE: btw, lose |
| 07:10.34 | houn | Question - Is there any guide with specific Kernel options that are "musts" for Debian? |
| 07:10.41 | HermanDE | nite613: How about LDAP and/or NIS with a db plugged in.... |
| 07:10.43 | tarzeau | houn: no |
| 07:10.44 | Dewi | jm_: thanks for your help before... this is finally all falling into place |
| 07:10.58 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Yup... I need a smell checker after 10pm.... |
| 07:11.04 | houn | tarzeau: Cool. Gentoo has several options that are manditory, so thought I'd check. |
| 07:11.10 | croddy | houn: the configs in /boot are a good place to start, but it's pretty flexible |
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| 07:11.57 | liable | houn: there a nice (but old) howto on ossnews |
| 07:12.13 | houn | croddy: K, thanks. It just doesn't feel like home until you've compiled your own kernel, hehe |
| 07:12.37 | HermanDE | nite613: It's a bit scarry, but a global fs on /etc |
| 07:12.41 | croddy | houn: you should check out kernel-package. enslickens the entire process |
| 07:13.26 | houn | croddy: Will do. |
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| 07:13.56 | houn | Hmm, it's been awhile. An Athlon XP is still considered in the K7 family, no? |
| 07:14.02 | jm_ | Dewi: it's a bit annoying that these man pages require special package |
| 07:14.15 | croddy | houn: indeed |
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| 07:15.16 | liable | eww theres a MSIE crwler now, i feel somehow violated.. |
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| 07:17.14 | raf256 | how can I statickly re-link single application? |
| 07:17.20 | raf256 | single binary file like ./foo.elf |
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| 07:17.42 | nite613 | HermanDE: Hmmm, not quite what I'm looking for. I know there is a package somewhere that dumps the currently installed package list in a way that it can then be imported to synch the packages |
| 07:18.01 | HermanDE | nite613: Take a look at apt-cache |
| 07:18.10 | nite613 | A tool for archiving up all of the installed config files with a couple exceptions would be good too |
| 07:18.13 | Dewi | jm_: yeah. turned out the *really* useful and detailed docs were in /usr/share. Where I just always forget to look. |
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| 07:18.30 | HermanDE | nite613: or dpkg-deb ... Gawd I use it once every 6 months... I should know it... |
| 07:20.01 | HermanDE | nite613: dpkg -l | grep "ii" |
| 07:20.15 | croddy | dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:20.25 | nite613 | dpkg-repack is looking good, actually |
| 07:20.47 | HermanDE | nite613: croddy has it..... |
| 07:21.28 | croddy | that reminds me, i need to setup a cronjob at work so the openssi cluster will poop out dpkg --get-selections nightly |
| 07:21.31 | HermanDE | nite613: dpkg-repack can be very ugly... Depending on the version..... |
| 07:21.32 | nite613 | ooh, I can just --get and --set-selections, that's helpful |
| 07:21.32 | croddy | that thing is always falling over |
| 07:21.49 | nite613 | now for the config files :P |
| 07:22.08 | HermanDE | croddy: Ok.... Question time... Why do you need a nightly dump? |
| 07:22.45 | croddy | HermanDE: i suppose weekly would work. |
| 07:22.47 | HermanDE | croddy: Never mind... Just googled openssi.... |
| 07:22.58 | HermanDE | croddy: never heard of that project.... |
| 07:23.07 | HermanDE | croddy: Sounds like a neat idea... |
| 07:23.12 | croddy | HermanDE: it's pretty cool |
| 07:23.27 | HermanDE | croddy: I just do it after a major upgrade or every 6 months.... |
| 07:23.35 | fooz | i never do it |
| 07:23.37 | fooz | ahahahaa |
| 07:23.52 | HermanDE | nite613: How many boxes? |
| 07:23.55 | sini | is it possible to change CHMOD with qonqueror? |
| 07:23.57 | croddy | HermanDE: that works if you're the only one installing packages. in this case, i'm just the one responsible for resuscitating it after they break it :-) |
| 07:24.13 | tarzeau | sini: #debian-kde |
| 07:24.14 | nite613 | HermanDE: Just two for now |
| 07:24.37 | tarzeau | nite613: ibackup? |
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| 07:24.56 | croddy | actually.... openssi might be the real answer to nite613's problem |
| 07:25.17 | sini | tarzeau u bludger |
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| 07:25.19 | sini | :) |
| 07:25.20 | liable | sini: you can change perms with it, yes. |
| 07:25.42 | tarzeau | sini: not my choice of a hostname |
| 07:25.59 | HermanDE | croddy: I can see how that can get exciting...:) |
| 07:26.06 | sini | i just thought ur an aussie |
| 07:26.09 | sini | is all |
| 07:26.10 | HermanDE | nite613: Are you thinking about expanding? |
| 07:26.46 | liable | interesting nick.. |
| 07:26.56 | sini | can i connect through same proxy |
| 07:27.06 | raf256 | hey |
| 07:27.10 | raf256 | is prelink broken? |
| 07:27.19 | raf256 | can you check please? |
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| 07:27.39 | raf256 | if I try to prelink just one program, prelink takes like 15 minutes to run and seem to prelink all files (like with -a option), wtf? |
| 07:27.41 | charlie | whats the command to restart my kdm? |
| 07:27.47 | tarzeau | charlie: pkill -9 kdm |
| 07:27.56 | raf256 | what happens if you run prelink /usr/bin/mc in example? |
| 07:28.06 | raf256 | charlie: /etc/initd/kdm restart |
| 07:28.17 | houn | alright, lets see how bad this compile goes! |
| 07:28.31 | raf256 | what happens if you run prelink /usr/bin/mc in example???? |
| 07:28.39 | nite613 | tarzeau: It's looking like I'll probably just write my own sync script based on ibackup or something similar. |
| 07:29.10 | HermanDE | nite613: Are you thinking of expanding? |
| 07:29.14 | liable | !hi |
| 07:29.14 | dpkg | hello, liable |
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| 07:29.27 | sini | tarzeau : now i extracted what i wanted, how do i go in that folder now, cause cd /unreal3.2 doesnt work |
| 07:30.19 | tarzeau | sini: #ubuntu |
| 07:30.29 | tarzeau | nite613: or use rsync |
| 07:30.34 | nite613 | HermanDE: Probably not for a year or so. I'm building a lightweight HA cluster with DRBD/heartbeat; want to keep the packages and configs synched as painlessly as possible |
| 07:30.39 | tarzeau | raf256: why do you stab me? |
| 07:30.55 | raf256 | tarzeau: can you run prelink /usr/bin/mc ? |
| 07:31.07 | tarzeau | zsh: command not found: prelink |
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| 07:31.15 | HermanDE | nite613: Then look at NIS or LDAP with a DB backend... Have a single box act as a server... Any changes on the server is reflected to the other boxes.... |
| 07:31.22 | HermanDE | nite613: instantly.... |
| 07:31.26 | raf256 | tarzeau: apt-get install prelink |
| 07:31.33 | fooz | HermanDE, that won't help packages |
| 07:31.33 | raf256 | anyone have prelink? |
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| 07:32.05 | HermanDE | fooz: Nope... That is where you use the power of apt and create a script that pushes across all of the systems.... |
| 07:32.30 | tarzeau | raf256: no you are the only one |
| 07:32.31 | HermanDE | fooz: And keep a local cache... on the server... |
| 07:32.55 | nite613 | I think I'll just use dpkg --get and --set-selections and then a custom script for synching files under /etc/ |
| 07:33.02 | HermanDE | fooz: Just update the server and the cron jobs on all of the systems will grab from the server.... |
| 07:33.23 | worthy | is there a way for me to clean out my system they way windows does with defrag and the such? |
| 07:33.24 | HermanDE | fooz: Pretty simple.... I setup a small office with 6 boxes using this process.... |
| 07:33.26 | tarzeau | raf256: yes i can run it |
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| 07:33.42 | raf256 | tarzeau: and? how long it takes to run? |
| 07:33.50 | worthy | i want to clean my system of all the programs and files i have uninstalled and no longer using anymore |
| 07:33.55 | raf256 | mine takes like 5 minutes, even when I tell it to link single file, wtf? |
| 07:34.00 | raf256 | on 2 GHz |
| 07:34.01 | fooz | worthy, defrag doesn't do that. |
| 07:34.01 | worthy | anyone? |
| 07:34.02 | tarzeau | raf256: time prelink /usr/bin/mc ? |
| 07:34.08 | raf256 | yeah |
| 07:34.13 | worthy | what is the command line fooz |
| 07:34.13 | HermanDE | nite613: One problem with that is when you have two different copies of the same file that have been modified during the last sync peroid..... |
| 07:34.14 | tarzeau | raf256: real 0m0.034s, user 0m0.010s, sys 0m0.020s |
| 07:34.16 | fooz | worthy, defrag defragments your filesystem. linux filesystems don't need defragging in the first place |
| 07:34.17 | nite613 | On a related note, I have a DRBD question if anyone can help. I realize you can't mount the shared FS from two machines at once while it's active; but I can, for instance, take the secondary "offline", then mount it, play with it, then synch the primary back down to it when I bring it back online? |
| 07:34.26 | raf256 | tarzeau: mine takes like 10 minutes to read cache or something |
| 07:34.26 | tarzeau | !fooz |
| 07:34.32 | raf256 | tarzeau: ok I will fill in bug report, thanks |
| 07:34.35 | HermanDE | nite613: A choice needs to be made between which one is the most current... |
| 07:34.36 | tarzeau | raf256: what you have? 5mhz cpu? |
| 07:34.43 | raf256 | tarzeau: 2 Ghz |
| 07:34.47 | worthy | ok so how do i "clean" out my system of files lying around from programs that i've uninstalled |
| 07:34.49 | raf256 | tarzeau: something is fucked up |
| 07:34.58 | nite613 | HermanDE: Likely won't happen; the second machine is just a hot-spare. Pushing one-way is probably just fine |
| 07:35.00 | raf256 | worthy: apt-get clean on debian |
| 07:35.08 | worthy | cool |
| 07:35.09 | worthy | thanks |
| 07:35.12 | fooz | worthy, purge their packages |
| 07:35.14 | nite613 | s/but I can/but can I/ |
| 07:35.16 | raf256 | n/p my nigga |
| 07:35.16 | fooz | worthy, use aptitude |
| 07:35.31 | HermanDE | nite613: Then you ought to consider a net raid0 system.... |
| 07:35.37 | worthy | aptitude, gotcha |
| 07:35.52 | sini | hermande: they not helping |
| 07:35.52 | HermanDE | nite613: Where everything is mirrored to the spare..... Until the heart beat fails... The the spare takes over... |
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| 07:35.59 | sini | heres explained please |
| 07:36.03 | sini | i extracted a file on my remote server, and how do i access it now to run ./config if my shell is still sayin "-jailshell-2.05b$" and cd /unreal3.2 (thats the folder) doesnt work??? |
| 07:36.03 | raf256 | tarzeau: what was the full output of your program? can you paste or pm? |
| 07:36.08 | nite613 | HermanDE: That's what DRBD is, I thought |
| 07:36.17 | fooz | drbd is just the block device |
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| 07:36.37 | nite613 | fooz: Yeah, and heartbeat supplies the failover smarts; correct? |
| 07:36.44 | fooz | i have no idea, never used it |
| 07:36.55 | HermanDE | nite613: Yep... That is one method.... |
| 07:36.56 | tarzeau | raf256: it says nothing |
| 07:37.03 | raf256 | tarzeau: thanx |
| 07:37.04 | fooz | but say you've got ext3 mirrored (via drbd) to another computer |
| 07:37.10 | HermanDE | nite613: There are a couple of methods and systems.... |
| 07:37.11 | nite613 | seems like the most mature method available to me |
| 07:37.12 | worthy | im in aptitude. which option from the menu would i want please? |
| 07:37.15 | SperMite | wheres a site that tells me about how to install nvidia drivers? |
| 07:37.17 | tarzeau | sini: can you please try #firefox ? |
| 07:37.24 | tarzeau | sini: your problem is not related to debian |
| 07:37.35 | sini | ok |
| 07:37.39 | sini | thanks |
| 07:37.52 | jm_ | SperMite: ask dpkg, the bot |
| 07:37.56 | fooz | if the main computer goes down, you need to 1) detect it 2) turn the copy of the ext3 fs to writeable (become the master) 3) fsck the FS in case it's hosed, maybe this step is not needed 4) mount the FS 5) start your applications |
| 07:38.21 | SperMite | jm how do i ask him |
| 07:38.28 | houn | For the record, I'm very upset my Debian Install decided to lock mid-kernel-compile. |
| 07:38.35 | jm_ | SperMite: /msg dpkg nvidia and then read the other factoids it points you at |
| 07:38.44 | HermanDE | fooz: Strange... I just had to recover a mirrored set where the defect went to the mirror.... |
| 07:38.52 | houn | But I'm too tired to muck with it. G'night |
| 07:38.55 | nite613 | fooz: Indeed. I understand that in DRBD it's not "making it writable", because you can't even mount it read-only as a secondary, you just have to wait until it goes offline |
| 07:39.14 | HermanDE | houn: You are compiling a kernel while installing? |
| 07:39.15 | fooz | i haven't used drbd since years ago, i think it's different now |
| 07:39.17 | hooya | nite613: the hardest part seems to be when to decide the other machine is down. unless you want to end up with a split personality where both machines think the other one is down and they are 'primary' |
| 07:39.19 | fooz | last time I used it it was in alpha |
| 07:39.32 | houn | HermanDE: Install's complete. |
| 07:40.07 | HermanDE | houn: I've always thought of doing a source install of debian.... Kind of a Deb-too.... |
| 07:40.14 | worthy | aptitude anyone? |
| 07:40.34 | worthy | wich option from the menu lets me clean up uninstalled programs? |
| 07:40.34 | nite613 | hooya: Well heartbeat takes care of that over a dedicated NIC. I was also thinking of testing services and using some sort of STONITH technique to tear down the primary when a key service goes away |
| 07:40.35 | houn | HermanDE: Poorly phrased. "My new, fresh, recently-installed Debian just locked while I was compiling a kernel" would be better |
| 07:40.37 | HermanDE | worthy: All your debs belong to us... |
| 07:40.49 | HermanDE | houn: eeewwwwwww..... |
| 07:40.50 | houn | HermanDE: why do that over just running Gentoo? |
| 07:40.53 | worthy | huh? |
| 07:41.32 | fooz | worthy, you have to manually find them and remove them. if they were already removed, you can purge them to remove any left behind config files. |
| 07:41.47 | houn | Wow. I just realized that my Windows partition is more stable than any of my recent Linux installs. That's depressing. |
| 07:41.50 | HermanDE | houn: I've been considering it for the past 5 years....:) Pre Gentoo..... |
| 07:41.54 | worthy | i used apt-get remove |
| 07:42.01 | hooya | nite613: yes. but when you STONITH something, be careful of not stonithing something prematurely. |
| 07:42.09 | worthy | isn't there directories and components lying around somewhere |
| 07:42.16 | HermanDE | houn: I did a modified LFS once... Attempted to turn it into debian by compiling... |
| 07:42.40 | hooya | nite613: anyhow, drbd seems to throw 'Norten Ghost' into a tizzy. FYI. |
| 07:42.45 | houn | HermanDE: I like Gentoo, until recently was my flavor of choice, but Portage has grown far too bloated, and compiling everything takes for bloody ever. |
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| 07:43.39 | nite613 | hooya: You mean if you have a partition that has a DRBD block in addition to the FS? Then ghost gets confused? |
| 07:43.43 | houn | Anyway, bed. Night. |
| 07:43.53 | HermanDE | houn: I attempted a very early version of gentoo on a 486.. Left the thing cooking for a week.... Came back to discover that the hard drive failed in a very bad way.... |
| 07:43.59 | liable | never had a kernel compile lock a machine yet |
| 07:43.59 | HermanDE | houn: LFS is much more fun.... |
| 07:44.42 | litage | if i disable the inetd init script, will things break? |
| 07:44.51 | HermanDE | liable: There is a project... I think it is called cerebelum(SP?). That runs multiple compiles in an attempt to break the machine.... |
| 07:44.57 | hooya | nite613: it seems like it. i was trying to ghost onto a drive twice as big. so that might have had something to do with it too. but i've done that with regular filesystems and it's worked fine. the only new variable in the last ghosting was drbd. |
| 07:45.02 | liable | litage: no, just shit thats run by inetd wont.. |
| 07:45.04 | HermanDE | liable: If the machine breaks in the first hour it is junk..... |
| 07:45.08 | KerPlunk | litage: probably not...if you don't know what it is you probably aren't using it. |
| 07:45.17 | litage | thanks |
| 07:45.40 | KerPlunk | !tell litage about inetd |
| 07:45.41 | liable | HermanDE: sounds like a stressfull test. |
| 07:45.46 | HermanDE | litage: Nope... Unless you are running X by inetd....... |
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| 07:46.02 | liable | litage: check out the conf, for what it runs. |
| 07:46.06 | hooya | nite613: both drbd'ed machines are spewing drive seek errors so i had to take one offline and ghost it. now i have to put the ghosted drive into another machine to see if it still works... rrriiiippppp <- sound of me pulling my hair. |
| 07:46.07 | HermanDE | liable: It is a great test... The last server I stood up I ran it for 5 days..... |
| 07:46.20 | HermanDE | liable: That was about 6 months ago.... |
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| 07:47.45 | HermanDE | liable: Really gives the hardware a punch..... I've seen hard drives melt and temps climb fast..... |
| 07:48.09 | HermanDE | liable: Returned 4 boxes because of the test... :) That was about 4 years ago.... |
| 07:48.35 | worthy | everyoene getting tired huh |
| 07:48.50 | nite613 | hooya: ouch |
| 07:49.11 | hooya | yeah.. |
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| 07:49.34 | kneet | Mounting of a dvd (in this case a dvd video) - is udf not the correct vfstype for the mount command? |
| 07:49.46 | hooya | nite613: do you know if the replicated partitions have to be the same size? |
| 07:50.13 | hooya | nite613: or can it work as long as the data fits under the smaller of the two |
| 07:50.19 | HermanDE | liable: Here it is...http://sourceforge.net/projects/va-ctcs |
| 07:51.48 | liable | HermanDE: cheers. |
| 07:52.08 | liable | HermanDE: might run it on my home server if i feel like breaking it :) |
| 07:52.35 | HermanDE | liable: I had it on a net-boot on one of my servers..... |
| 07:52.58 | HermanDE | liable: It was fun to watch the box buzz like an old refer... |
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| 07:53.05 | liable | heh |
| 07:53.32 | noiesmo | kneet, try mount -t cd9660 blah blah |
| 07:53.46 | liable | HermanDE: it monitors while its running? ie temps and shit? |
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| 07:53.54 | HermanDE | kneet: How about try iso9660 |
| 07:53.56 | liable | HermanDE: and outputs it? |
| 07:54.10 | HermanDE | liable: Yep.... The temps depend on the kernel level... |
| 07:54.21 | HermanDE | liable: And the thermo chipsets.... |
| 07:54.44 | tyler | anyone here kows how to repair a brother mfc with the dreaded error 41??? |
| 07:54.50 | kneet | OK - that gives me at least root.root on the files instead of uid and gid 4294967295 |
| 07:54.55 | tarzeau | tyler: a printer? |
| 07:54.55 | HermanDE | tyler: Very big hammer.... |
| 07:55.13 | HermanDE | tarzeau: It's an MFC.. Think scanner/fax/printer... |
| 07:55.14 | tarzeau | HermanDE: or fall from at least 5 meters |
| 07:55.28 | tarzeau | annn mfc like multi function c? |
| 07:55.51 | liable | tarzeau: i found an interesting mailing list once for brother printers, lots of good info, fucked if i remember what it was called though |
| 07:55.58 | tyler | multi function center all in one |
| 07:56.01 | HermanDE | tyler: Do you have that thing plugged into your deb box? |
| 07:56.06 | tarzeau | liable: that thing is probably cheaper than a tv card |
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| 07:56.37 | liable | heh, yeah. |
| 07:57.02 | liable | thats why my employers bought one :) |
| 07:57.19 | tarzeau | liable: i'd never get any ink printers nor a multi function crap |
| 07:57.22 | HermanDE | liable: Yep, I'm responsible for 3 brother MFC's..... |
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| 07:57.40 | tarzeau | liable: but selling very large hammers could be lucrative |
| 07:57.45 | HermanDE | liable: And 2 have been changed to strictly photo-copy/fax only.... |
| 07:57.56 | liable | tarzeau: yep gonna get a b&w laser when i move next i think. |
| 07:58.02 | liable | haha |
| 07:58.13 | HermanDE | liable: The last one is just too bullet proof... I mean I *ACCENTIALLY* put a spear through it.... |
| 07:58.17 | fooz | you could upgrade from a $39 MFC to a $49 Samsung laser.. |
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| 07:58.33 | tarzeau | oh and cheap laser printers postscript sucks ass, sometimes |
| 07:58.34 | Zapelius | is there an easy way to configure apt to get arm binaries instead of x86 temporaly? |
| 07:58.51 | tarzeau | liable: phaser color printers are pretty cheap, if you print alot of color it's worth it |
| 07:58.57 | Zapelius | I wouldn't like fetching all these with a web browser... |
| 07:59.06 | fooz | tarzeau, not very sharp though |
| 07:59.14 | tyler | 39? |
| 07:59.16 | tarzeau | fooz: and only a4 ... |
| 07:59.18 | tyler | is that cheap |
| 07:59.27 | tarzeau | tyler: 39 what? |
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| 07:59.42 | tyler | here in my place i gotta pay abt 200 plus usd for it |
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| 07:59.48 | tyler | how did u get it so cheap? |
| 07:59.59 | tarzeau | fooz: we've only got problems with recent hp printers (half last year, cheaper laser ones) |
| 08:00.00 | liable | tarzeau: i dont print fuck all, but i hate ink supposedly drying up, the mfc i have now had a new black ink about 2 months ago, has printed no more than 40 pages and today its telling me its empty.. |
| 08:00.03 | rage | Hey, is anyone else having trouble installing python2.4-gnome2-extras in unstable? I've checked the bugtracking system and cant find any broken packages for it. It says it depends on libgtkhtml 2.11.0 but only 2.6.3-1 is available. |
| 08:00.17 | tarzeau | fooz: firmware suckage like, printer goes out of paper, printer hangs until reboot. |
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| 08:00.30 | beanz | Where can I get a changelog for the new bind9? |
| 08:00.33 | KerPlunk | !tell rage about anyone |
| 08:00.37 | tarzeau | liable: yeah i hate ink printers for the same reason |
| 08:00.41 | fooz | liable, if you ever watch the MFC.. it'll clean its print heads a couple times a day (otherwise they clog or dry out) |
| 08:00.45 | tarzeau | beanz: /usr/share/doc/PACKAGE |
| 08:00.45 | fooz | liable, that's what eats ink. |
| 08:00.47 | HermanDE | Zapelius: check apt-get under the options.... |
| 08:01.08 | HermanDE | Zapelius: If I remember, you can set the platform... |
| 08:01.09 | liable | fooz: oh. that sucks ass. i do notice it doing that all the time. |
| 08:01.09 | tarzeau | HermanDE: tell me if you find out |
| 08:01.38 | HermanDE | tarzeau: What are you looking for? |
| 08:01.39 | fooz | i used a Laserjet 4500DN for a while, i loved that one |
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| 08:01.46 | tarzeau | 09:00 < HermanDE> Zapelius: check apt-get under the options.... |
| 08:01.57 | tarzeau | 09:01 < HermanDE> Zapelius: If I remember, you can set the platform... |
| 08:01.57 | fooz | i used it for printing Illustrator files |
| 08:02.05 | tarzeau | i was glad everytime i could use email instead of printing onto paper |
| 08:02.08 | fooz | i made the most badass looking fliers and stuff |
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| 08:02.13 | beanz | tarzeau: Can I do that somewhere else, before I upgrade it? |
| 08:02.13 | tarzeau | putting the paper into a letter |
| 08:02.15 | rage | KerPlunk: I think you misread my question, I didnt ask if anyone uses, I asked if it anyone knew it was installable :-P but thanks anyway |
| 08:02.16 | tarzeau | buying a postal stamp |
| 08:02.26 | beanz | tarzeau: I mean using apt or something ? |
| 08:02.27 | tarzeau | bringing the letter to some postal office or into a po box |
| 08:02.36 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Yep... It's just perl... Set your platform.. That easy.. Just don't try and load PPC binaries on a x86 :) |
| 08:02.38 | tarzeau | beanz: what? |
| 08:02.53 | tarzeau | HermanDE: i know what i do. i hate perl. just tell me how |
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| 08:03.02 | tarzeau | HermanDE: how do i set my platform and where? |
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| 08:03.15 | beanz | tarzeau: can I view the changelog using apt? I want to view the changelog before I upgrade. |
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| 08:03.39 | neuterspay | Anybody familiar with how to use a .sh ? |
| 08:03.44 | tarzeau | beanz: read it online... |
| 08:03.48 | beanz | tarzeau: where? |
| 08:03.50 | tarzeau | neuterspay: yes start it |
| 08:03.51 | liable | beanz: aptitude can get changelogs, dont think apt can (and aptitude cant while p.d.o is down) |
| 08:03.57 | tarzeau | beanz: packages.debian.org/PACKAGE |
| 08:04.06 | s-andy | hi, is there anywhere maildrop-mysql package available for debian sarge? |
| 08:04.14 | tarzeau | you can use packages.debian.net for now |
| 08:04.21 | neuterspay | What do I open it with, tarzeau? |
| 08:04.23 | tarzeau | or put the hostname of it as packages.debian.org into /etc/hosts |
| 08:04.24 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Architecture |
| 08:04.24 | HermanDE | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.24 | HermanDE | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:04.36 | tarzeau | neuterspay: ./theit.sh |
| 08:04.46 | tarzeau | HermanDE: and where? |
| 08:04.50 | HermanDE | tarzeau: So you use apt-get -o Architecture::powerpc |
| 08:05.18 | tarzeau | HermanDE: E: Option Architecture::powerpc: Configuration item specification must have an =<val>. |
| 08:05.45 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Fine.... apt-get -o Group::Architecture=powerpc |
| 08:05.50 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Geeze.... |
| 08:06.05 | tarzeau | HermanDE: no that's not it either |
| 08:06.14 | tarzeau | HermanDE: geeze i am not that stupid to not have tried = |
| 08:06.40 | HermanDE | tarzeau: I last used that command trying to load an i386 from a mac laptop... |
| 08:06.50 | tarzeau | HermanDE: can you tell me the exact command you used? |
| 08:06.52 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Hold one.... |
| 08:06.54 | tarzeau | the one that works? |
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| 08:08.44 | kneet | Hmm - still can't get the files off the disk. mount with iso9660 and cp copies all except the vob files (which fail with "Input/output error"). Unmount and dd if=/dev/dvd of=dest.iso gives dd: reading `/dev/dvd': Input/output error |
| 08:08.45 | s-andy | may be there is some repository with maildrop-mysql? |
| 08:08.50 | neuterspay | tarzeau, it's giving me a Permission denied even when I run it as root. |
| 08:08.53 | neuterspay | ;| |
| 08:09.02 | rendi | hi anyone have tutorial about how to tweak apache2 |
| 08:09.07 | tarzeau | neuterspay: what says file the.sh ? |
| 08:09.11 | rendi | for huge forum ? |
| 08:09.13 | tarzeau | neuterspay: what says head -1 the.sh ? |
| 08:09.19 | liable | neuterspay: +x it.. |
| 08:09.29 | tarzeau | or sh the.sh |
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| 08:09.39 | HermanDE | tarzeau: It must be getting late apt-get update -o Group::Architecture=powerpc |
| 08:09.55 | hooya | rendi: to what end? |
| 08:10.06 | rendi | load fast |
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| 08:10.09 | HermanDE | tarzeau: That will change the apt-get lists to powerpc... |
| 08:10.22 | tarzeau | HermanDE: no it won't |
| 08:10.24 | rendi | i have already installed php4 compile with eaccelerator |
| 08:10.30 | hooya | rendi: load what fast? |
| 08:10.32 | tarzeau | HermanDE: i just did that and then tried: apt-get install yaboot -o Group::Architecture=powerpc |
| 08:10.37 | neuterspay | chmod +x foo.sh ? |
| 08:10.41 | rendi | hooya to speed up |
| 08:10.43 | tarzeau | HermanDE: which told me: E: Couldn't find package yaboot |
| 08:10.46 | rendi | my forum load slow |
| 08:10.53 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Ok... Try ppc instead of powerpc.... Gawd.... |
| 08:10.54 | liable | neuterspay: yes |
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| 08:11.01 | hooya | rendi: do you use a database backend? which one? |
| 08:11.02 | HermanDE | tarzeau: It's past my bed time.... |
| 08:11.16 | tarzeau | HermanDE: good night. and no it's not ppc either |
| 08:11.18 | rendi | blah |
| 08:11.22 | CaptainMullet | Sleep well. |
| 08:11.26 | rendi | i'm use mysql5 |
| 08:11.28 | tarzeau | HermanDE: check your command in your history and paste it here some time |
| 08:11.32 | HermanDE | tarzeau: That is the command..... |
| 08:11.36 | tarzeau | HermanDE: no it's not |
| 08:11.39 | rendi | and wanna to tweak my apache2 to load my forum fast |
| 08:11.46 | rendi | any tutorial about that |
| 08:11.48 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Are you running sid? |
| 08:11.51 | tarzeau | HermanDE: yes sir |
| 08:12.01 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Ok... I'm running sarge.... |
| 08:12.08 | tarzeau | i can try it on sarge too |
| 08:12.11 | HermanDE | tarzeau: There may have been a change in apt.... |
| 08:12.16 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Do it to it.... |
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| 08:12.36 | liable | just do it! |
| 08:12.39 | tarzeau | HermanDE: well still wrong |
| 08:12.42 | liable | (TM) |
| 08:12.44 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Fist thing is to get the lists.... |
| 08:12.48 | tarzeau | HermanDE: i did that |
| 08:12.52 | tarzeau | and it doesn't get the right list |
| 08:12.56 | tarzeau | HermanDE: i know how apt-get works |
| 08:12.57 | HermanDE | tarzeau: did it find the lists? |
| 08:13.03 | tarzeau | no it got the normal i386 list |
| 08:13.11 | tarzeau | HermanDE: your command is wrong |
| 08:13.19 | tarzeau | or it's cursed and just doesn't work on my computer |
| 08:13.40 | HermanDE | tarzeau: apt-get update -o Group::Architecture=ppc |
| 08:13.40 | HermanDE | 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 08:13.48 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Works fine here.... |
| 08:14.14 | tarzeau | HermanDE: yes but the wrong list |
| 08:14.18 | tarzeau | HermanDE: can you install yaboot? |
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| 08:14.37 | HermanDE | tarzeau: The answer to that is NO..... |
| 08:14.41 | tarzeau | HermanDE: why? |
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| 08:15.03 | HermanDE | tarzeau: I'm not running in a PowerPC platform... It requires a PowerPC system to install... |
| 08:15.11 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Try and do a download only... |
| 08:15.12 | tarzeau | HermanDE: not for -d (download only) |
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| 08:15.18 | tarzeau | HermanDE: i tried and it doesn't work |
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| 08:15.27 | tarzeau | HermanDE: besides installing the files should be no problem either, just running them |
| 08:16.14 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Gawd... Now I see it failing.... The last time I did this was under woody..... |
| 08:16.21 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Hold one.... |
| 08:16.27 | tarzeau | so the answer to how to install otherarch binary packages with apt-get remains open |
| 08:16.37 | tarzeau | HermanDE: it's "hold on" |
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| 08:17.50 | hooya | rendi: most probably, your problem is sql queries not being optimized. apache2 runs plenty fast for even some very high demanding web sites. read up about how to "log slow queries" in mysql, then look at what sql statements are running slow, then use "explain" syntax within mysql to figure out how to index for those queries. trust me when i say this, i've seen insane speedups by doing this. don't worry about optimizing php or apache. optimize |
| 08:17.51 | hooya | your queries. |
| 08:18.30 | GenneX | morning people |
| 08:18.55 | litage | if i assign the combo ctrl+shift+i to firefox in kde's control center keyboard shortcuts and then test the combo, nothing happens. but if i assign any other combo, firefox starts. how can i figure out what else is using ctrl+shift+i? |
| 08:19.01 | GenneX | anyone here who can help me with wine ? |
| 08:19.26 | litage | GenneX: ask a question rather than just generally asking for help |
| 08:19.30 | liable | #wine-hq |
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| 08:19.46 | tarzeau | don't drink wine in the morning. |
| 08:19.49 | hooya | GenneX: i prefer whisky. thank you very much. :P |
| 08:20.18 | GenneX | litage: sorry, I have installed wine, used it to install an application, now how do I go about running that application |
| 08:20.30 | GenneX | hooya: I am a brandy man :p |
| 08:21.21 | GenneX | I presume the application would be installed under the wine directory, bit I am not sure where to go to find that directory |
| 08:21.47 | liable | GenneX: ~/.wine |
| 08:22.34 | liable | GenneX: you'll prolly find it in your menu if you look. |
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| 08:23.16 | GenneX | liable: I do not see wine, nor the program under my applications menu |
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| 08:24.01 | croddy | GenneX: wine "~/.wine/fake_windows/Program Files/foo/bar.exe" |
| 08:24.44 | GenneX | croddy: foo/bar.exe I replace with the application right |
| 08:24.52 | croddy | indeed |
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| 08:25.31 | liable | GenneX: that sucks, even xfce puts it in my menu for me. |
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| 08:26.31 | GenneX | hmm: wine: cannot find '~/.wine/drive_c/Program Files/zMUD/Zmud.exe' |
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| 08:26.56 | GenneX | liable: xfce?? |
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| 08:27.18 | tompos | hi |
| 08:27.26 | GenneX | I am sorry for the idiotic questions, quite new to Linux |
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| 08:27.46 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 08:27.46 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 08:27.51 | tompos | is there any easy way to install sarge on a ML150? |
| 08:28.03 | tarzeau | tompos: just do it? what's the problem? |
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| 08:28.06 | tarzeau | !ML150 |
| 08:28.08 | KerPlunk | GenneX: Just type apt-get install wine, as root to install it |
| 08:28.22 | liable | err, i think wine is installed.. |
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| 08:28.32 | KerPlunk | GenneX: Then if you want to see what files are associated with a certain package..type "dpkg -L wine" |
| 08:28.39 | GenneX | KerPlunk: wine is installed |
| 08:28.40 | tompos | tarzeau: the d-i des not know the SATA controller |
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| 08:28.51 | tarzeau | tompos: ah, replace the d-i kernel with one that knows SATA |
| 08:29.17 | tompos | yes, do you have an image like this? |
| 08:29.33 | stew | tompos: did you try the 2.6 kernel on the install cd? |
| 08:29.34 | tarzeau | tompos: yes. 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 08:29.36 | liable | !sarge 2.6.14 |
| 08:29.36 | dpkg | from memory, sarge 2.6.14 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/2005/11/26#d-i-2614 |
| 08:29.43 | GenneX | KerPlunk: so when using "dpkg -L wine" i should see my installed program there as well ? |
| 08:29.47 | tompos | i don't know, how to make it easy |
| 08:29.57 | litage | where can you set hotkeys such as alt+1 activates tab1, alt+2 activates tab2, etc in kde? i can't find it anymore =P |
| 08:30.02 | tompos | stew: of course |
| 08:30.03 | KerPlunk | GenneX: o I see what you are trying to do now. |
| 08:30.09 | KerPlunk | GenneX: What is your installed program? |
| 08:30.14 | stew | tompos: then, try what dpkg said |
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| 08:30.32 | GenneX | KerPlunk: there are to programs, one is called MUSHClient and the other is called zMud |
| 08:30.33 | tompos | i'm looking at it |
| 08:31.17 | KerPlunk | !tell GenneX lnw |
| 08:31.23 | KerPlunk | GenneX: You should read that article. |
| 08:31.33 | tompos | OK,, I'wil try it |
| 08:31.34 | tompos | thanks |
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| 08:31.39 | KerPlunk | !lnw |
| 08:31.39 | dpkg | lnw is, like, http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm everyone should read this article who is a techie. |
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| 08:31.58 | CaptainMullet | What is it about? |
| 08:32.13 | tarzeau | Linux is Not Windows |
| 08:32.18 | CaptainMullet | Hahaha. |
| 08:32.26 | KerPlunk | It's a good article...give it a read. |
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| 08:32.36 | CaptainMullet | I will. Just recently switched from Windows myself. |
| 08:32.40 | KerPlunk | One of the best articles I've ever read. |
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| 08:33.04 | rixth | !sound |
| 08:33.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 08:33.20 | rixth | !ac97 |
| 08:33.20 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
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| 08:34.21 | rixth | !alsa for morons |
| 08:34.21 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 08:34.40 | rixth | !alsa-bork |
| 08:34.41 | dpkg | i guess alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
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| 08:35.30 | hooya | anyone use a Matrox pherelia on an smp with dual heads? |
| 08:36.17 | KerPlunk | !tell hooya about anyonee |
| 08:36.26 | KerPlunk | !tell hooya about anyone |
| 08:36.29 | GenneX | KerPlunk: Ok I have read it, and my intention isn't to say that it has to do it, as I already have an alternative to the program, but I would like to try and get it working for testing reasons |
| 08:36.29 | KerPlunk | !tell hooya about ask |
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| 08:36.54 | hooya | KerPlunk: touche. |
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| 08:37.31 | liable | rixth: dude, you know you can /msg the bot |
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| 08:37.49 | KerPlunk | !tell rixth about msgdpkg |
| 08:38.04 | rixth | Oh, thanks :) |
| 08:38.35 | Dewi | is there any way to list which of my installed packages come from which repositories? |
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| 08:38.47 | rixth | Hrmph. Still no sounds for me though |
| 08:38.53 | jm_ | Dewi: apt-cache policy might help you |
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| 08:39.55 | hooya | well, i manage to freeze the terminal/X/keyboard while using dual heads on an SMP box with Matrox Pherelia cards. i have been reading about Matrox and their deteriorating support for linux by way of crappy drivers. anyone get it to work on SMP with dual heads? video card in question is a P650. |
| 08:40.07 | Daedalus_ | Does anyone know of a new repository for the mythTV packages? The old maintainer seems to have vanished and taken his packages with him. |
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| 08:41.09 | KerPlunk | !tell Dewi about apt-cache |
| 08:41.17 | KerPlunk | !tell Daedalus_ about marillat |
| 08:42.29 | Dewi | jm_, KerPlunk: speaking of apt-cache policy, I'm still kind of confused about the priorities. According to 'man apt_preferences', -1 should be "do not install", but aptitude seems to override this fairly easily, although by default it seems to choose another version if it can |
| 08:42.34 | GenneX | liable, croddy thank you for telling me how to get to the wine dir and the help |
| 08:42.58 | GenneX | i have gotten the one program to start |
| 08:43.02 | KerPlunk | !tell Daedalus_ about mythtv |
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| 08:43.40 | liable | GenneX: yw |
| 08:44.29 | Daedalus_ | KerPlunk, per dpkg mythtv: repo at http://dijkstra.csh.rit.edu/~mdz/debian/dists/unstable/mythtv/ If you go there, it contains a single readme noting that the maintaner has vacated |
| 08:44.55 | KerPlunk | Daedalus_: What version of debian are you using? |
| 08:45.05 | Daedalus_ | testing |
| 08:45.54 | KerPlunk | Daedalus_: And you want the latest cvs of mythtv? |
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| 08:46.30 | Daedalus_ | KerPlunk: I was hoping for mythtv packages, period. I don't need bleeding edge. |
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| 08:46.52 | KerPlunk | !tell Daedalus_ about marillat |
| 08:47.18 | Daedalus_ | The repo I just mentioned seemed to be the only one I could find mentioned on the howtos. If you think they're in marillat, you could just say so, instead of spamming me. |
| 08:48.17 | GenneX | last question: how would I go about installing new fonts? |
| 08:48.30 | liable | yes, its in marillat.. |
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| 08:48.51 | liable | GenneX: you really should ask that in #ubuntu |
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| 08:49.04 | GROT | 'q |
| 08:49.07 | GROT | ÜÊ |
| 08:49.20 | liable | engrish! |
| 08:49.47 | liable | brb |
| 08:50.12 | hooya | ^^ took his ball and went home. |
| 08:50.33 | tiny | What package is /usr/local/bin/tcflush part of? |
| 08:50.50 | jm_ | tiny: Debian doesn't put things in /usr/local |
| 08:51.13 | hooya | tiny: prolly not a part of any package. but try 'dpkg -S /usr/local/bin/tcflush' |
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| 08:52.30 | tiny | well I need tcflush program and packages search on debian.org isn't working... |
| 08:53.11 | CaptainMullet | The link you gave us for Entropy:/share/media/disk2# dir |
| 08:53.12 | CaptainMullet | Anime dorkvsglass.wmv Music\ Videos |
| 08:53.12 | CaptainMullet | Comedy lost+found thebroken1.avi |
| 08:53.12 | CaptainMullet | damnsnow.mpg man\ fights\ a\ bear.mpg thebroken2.avi |
| 08:53.12 | CaptainMullet | death.mpg mario-piano.mpeg thebroken3.avi |
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| 08:53.35 | CaptainMullet | Gahh. |
| 08:53.37 | CaptainMullet | Sorry about that. |
| 08:53.56 | CaptainMullet | I was going to say that the link you gave us for http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 08:53.57 | CaptainMullet | Doesn't work. |
| 08:54.04 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: can i have damnsnow.mpg ? |
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| 08:54.32 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: it works, it's just my power broke yesterday evening |
| 08:54.35 | vulture | tiny: the only mentions of tcflush that I can find seem to indicate that it's a function call (there's a manpage for it in manpages-dev) |
| 08:54.37 | HermanDE | tarzeau: The changes... apt-get -o DIR=archive -o APT::Architecture=powerpc -d -u --force-yes --reinstall -y update |
| 08:54.50 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: and until i exchange the power thingy the floor with my machines and cablemodem won't come back |
| 08:54.51 | rixth | Whenever I try and play a song in Rhythmbox, I get (rhythmbox:16696): GStreamer-WARNING **: could not load valid typefind function for feature 'video/x-smoke', (rhythmbox:16696): GStreamer-CRITICAL **: how to remove plugins? |
| 08:54.54 | rixth | Any ideas? |
| 08:54.59 | CaptainMullet | Oh okiedokie. |
| 08:55.00 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Ensure you have a few dirs setup under archive.... |
| 08:55.03 | tarzeau | HermanDE: hahaha you still don't sleep? |
| 08:55.26 | CaptainMullet | I can send you the file, but you'll have to tell me how. |
| 08:55.28 | HermanDE | tarzeau: I get pissed when something changes enough that I need to research it *AGAIN*... N |
| 08:55.31 | tarzeau | HermanDE: gives me E: Opening archive/etc/apt/sources.list - ifstream::ifstream (2 No such file or |
| 08:55.41 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Now I won't have to research it until I need it again.... |
| 08:55.43 | tarzeau | directory) |
| 08:56.02 | tiny | vulture: thnx |
| 08:56.02 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Yep... mkdir -p archive/etc/apt |
| 08:56.11 | tarzeau | HermanDE: in which directory? |
| 08:56.13 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Then copy your sourceslist to archive/etc/apt |
| 08:56.24 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Where ever you want the archive to be kept.... |
| 08:56.25 | tarzeau | ahhhh |
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| 08:56.50 | tarzeau | HermanDE: thanks, will try it when i need it. good night |
| 08:57.04 | HermanDE | tarzeau: PTHEEEWWW..... |
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| 08:57.17 | CaptainMullet | Who wanted damnsnow.mpg? |
| 08:57.20 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: me |
| 08:57.27 | CaptainMullet | How do I send it? |
| 08:57.33 | tarzeau | put it on a http server and paste the link |
| 08:57.39 | HermanDE | bt it.... |
| 08:57.40 | tarzeau | you can also paste the uuencode here :) |
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| 08:58.08 | HermanDE | uuencode it with single bytes per line... |
| 08:58.24 | tarzeau | HermanDE: yeah right :) |
| 08:58.41 | tarzeau | HermanDE: no work tomorrow? |
| 08:58.56 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Are you kidding.... I'm a one man army.... |
| 08:58.57 | tarzeau | HermanDE: why doesn't your wife take you into her bed? |
| 08:59.01 | HermanDE | tarzeau: I'm working now.... |
| 08:59.18 | tarzeau | HermanDE: in #debian ? |
| 08:59.26 | HermanDE | tarzeau: If you had my wife you would be glad.... |
| 08:59.32 | HermanDE | tarzeau: to be working... |
| 08:59.37 | tarzeau | HermanDE: photo? |
| 08:59.39 | CaptainMullet | I don't have any http servers to upload it to that I can think of, sorry. |
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| 08:59.49 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: email? |
| 08:59.49 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Only if I really want to be sued today... |
| 08:59.54 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: dcc ? |
| 08:59.58 | tarzeau | HermanDE: go ahead |
| 09:00.01 | tarzeau | HermanDE: i want |
| 09:00.41 | thedingus9 | so I need to move to a new kernel. My wireless drivers are compiled for 2.6.12 if I compile a new one will I have to remake my wireless drivers |
| 09:00.44 | CaptainMullet | I have email, or you could tell me how to DCC. |
| 09:01.01 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: type /dcc send tarzeau /path/to/movei |
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| 09:01.29 | HermanDE | tarzeau: Do you want me to download a pict from a russian site and dcc it to you? |
| 09:01.37 | tarzeau | HermanDE: go ahead |
| 09:01.46 | tarzeau | now that i irc not from home, i can dcc... |
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| 09:01.52 | tarzeau | HermanDE: but please no hello.jpg |
| 09:02.06 | stew | thedingus9: yes |
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| 09:02.51 | Daedalus_ | KerPlunk: info in dpkg bot updated. |
| 09:03.10 | Daedalus_ | Thanks for the help |
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| 09:03.58 | CaptainMullet | Did that work? |
| 09:04.04 | thedingus9 | then would it be easer to patch it for a single usb problem or should I go to a newer kernel? |
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| 09:07.41 | CaptainMullet | Tarzeau, did that work? |
| 09:07.46 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: no |
| 09:07.54 | tarzeau | CaptainMullet: you have gui irc client? |
| 09:10.04 | rob1 | hi, how different are the source packages on deb-src to what was used to make packages on normal repositories? |
| 09:10.31 | valdyn | rob1: not at all |
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| 09:10.35 | CaptainMullet | \w Tarzeau Alright, it's sent. |
| 09:10.36 | jm_ | rob1: some don't differ at all, some only have modified location of files, some are patched - best to look at the patch and find it out |
| 09:10.39 | CaptainMullet | Dur. |
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| 09:11.37 | valdyn | rob1: and there's not 'source packages' really, there's a 3 files that are base for any binary deb |
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| 09:11.48 | CaptainMullet | tarzeau: Alright, I sent it. |
| 09:12.02 | rob1 | is it a "bad thing" to build packages from deb-src as opposed to just installing them? |
| 09:12.16 | stew | rob1: there should be no difference |
| 09:12.20 | jm_ | robin: its pretty silly if you don't change anything |
| 09:12.27 | jm_ | rob1 ^^^^^ |
| 09:12.27 | rob1 | valdyn, does building them cause the source to be downloaded? |
| 09:12.36 | valdyn | rob1: yea |
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| 09:13.00 | rob1 | ok, I get it now. thanks (I was just reading through the manual) |
| 09:13.26 | valdyn | rob1: that was a somewhat weird question though as one cant build what one does not have ) |
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| 09:13.47 | RvGaTe | I have a network problem, im using remote desktop on a windows machine in my network at home, and im connected on ssh on my debian server. But something is bothering me, i have internet on my windows machine, but not on my linux machine (altho i am logged on using ssh)... any ideas? |
| 09:13.49 | plbgnr | hello, I wrote this alias into my ~/.bashrc:alias c='cat ~/.bash_history|grep' and I use this for listing commands in history...but recently such commands came into history,that utility grep recognizes file ~/.bash_history as binary file and doesn't pick up desired lines ...can anybody advice how to modify behaviour of grep? |
| 09:14.14 | jm_ | plbn;man grep |
| 09:14.18 | jm_ | plbgnr ^^^ |
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| 09:16.17 | liable | RvGaTe: eh? dunno about anyone else, but that didnt particularly make sense to me.. |
| 09:16.23 | rob1 | when running apt-get source foo, not only do I get those three files, but I also get a directory with the source in it? |
| 09:17.00 | valdyn | RvGaTe: why would logging into a box give that box ssh magically? |
| 09:17.01 | stew | rob1: you get those 3 files, then it runs dpkg-source -x blah.dsc, which extracts |
| 09:17.03 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: are both using dhcp? |
| 09:17.09 | RvGaTe | No |
| 09:17.13 | liable | RvGaTe: ah, check the default gw, man route, or look in resolv.conf. |
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| 09:17.33 | valdyn | RvGaTe: or do you mean ' i can connect to a box from a box that has internet, ergo that box should have internet too?" |
| 09:17.40 | CaptainMullet | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:17.44 | stew | rob1: that is, it extracts the .orig.tar.gz, then applies the debian patch |
| 09:17.48 | liable | i think thats what he means. |
| 09:18.18 | rob1 | oh, right |
| 09:18.57 | RvGaTe | liable: valdyn, thedingus9, if i can remotely connect to the box (over the internet, ssh) why dont cant i ping to addresses... there is no dhcp server in the network, and i didn't change any settings. To double check, i connected trough remote desktop on my windows machine in that same network, that one does have internet. |
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| 09:19.19 | rob1 | stew, then you could run dpkg-buildpackage to create a new package, using that source? |
| 09:19.36 | stew | rob1: yeah, cd to the sourcedir, then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 09:19.48 | hooya | RvGaTe: try 'ping google.com'. what is the output? |
| 09:19.58 | stew | rob1: if you want to change the ./configure options look at debian/rules |
| 09:20.04 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: both are behind the same nat right? |
| 09:20.08 | rob1 | will it fail if you modify the source? eg add a patch of your own? |
| 09:20.12 | valdyn | RvGaTe: thats how it works, connecting TO a box from the internet can just uses a different mechanism than connecting from a box to the internet |
| 09:20.22 | stew | rob1: maybe? |
| 09:20.46 | RvGaTe | hooya: pinging google.com just freezez the ping command (waiting for timeout message). |
| 09:20.57 | liable | RvGaTe: route, route, route. |
| 09:21.08 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: check the boxes gateway setting |
| 09:21.26 | valdyn | RvGaTe: google does not answer pings, and no host has to answer pings |
| 09:21.44 | hooya | valdyn: google does answer pings. |
| 09:21.56 | RvGaTe | thedingus9: Behind the yes, behind the same nat |
| 09:21.59 | hooya | i just tried it. have been trying it. |
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| 09:22.04 | valdyn | hooya: interesting, google.de does not for me |
| 09:22.13 | dutch_ | Stupid question maybe: Is there any way to get visual basic.net ide for linux? |
| 09:22.18 | hooya | valdyn: google.com does. |
| 09:22.19 | rob1 | stew, it might, because the patch might be a dodgy, or dpkg-buildpackage wont accept it? |
| 09:22.24 | RvGaTe | valdyn: i know it works different, but why can the windows machine use internet, and the linux box cant |
| 09:22.27 | dutch_ | Visual Studio .Net, that is. |
| 09:22.34 | hooya | RvGaTe: try 'nslookup google.com' |
| 09:22.34 | dutch_ | Nevermind found it. |
| 09:22.36 | Zapelius | HermanDE, I found the option. Thank you. |
| 09:22.38 | RvGaTe | liable: it worked before, no route needed (i quess) |
| 09:22.41 | valdyn | RvGaTe: start by trying to ping an IP, not a name |
| 09:22.57 | RvGaTe | thedingus9: gateway settings are fine (i double checked) |
| 09:23.13 | stew | rob1: dpkg-buildpackage won't know, it'll just be a matter of whether or not the source builds, if the patch applies cleanly it should be fine |
| 09:23.32 | Zapelius | HermanDE, Now I need to do a --download-only and --reinstall to force apt really download a (arm) package, becouse it is already installed on my x86 box. It really just does download? :) |
| 09:23.33 | stew | rob1: if you are going to change the source, it might be a good idea to bump the version in debian/changelog, you can use "dch" to make this slightly easier, but if you are altering a package: foo_1.4-2 you might make your version foo_1.4-2+barpatch |
| 09:23.34 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: did you check to make sure that the box is pointing to the router? |
| 09:23.42 | liable | RvGaTe: well, i guess you just wait for the fairies to fix then. (if it worked before) |
| 09:23.42 | RvGaTe | thedingus9: yes |
| 09:24.01 | RvGaTe | liable: please, stay serious |
| 09:24.10 | rob1 | ok thanks for the help stew |
| 09:24.19 | karsten | Console mode, I started with vga=6 (80 col x 60 row), started X, it borked, now have 80x24 display but thinks it's 80x60. How can I correct this? |
| 09:24.30 | valdyn | RvGaTe: try 'ping 66.249.93.104' for example, ( that's google ) |
| 09:24.30 | hooya | RvGaTe: try 'nslookup google.com' |
| 09:24.48 | Zapelius | HermanDE, I know it should just download. But I'm not sure. |
| 09:25.06 | RvGaTe | hooya: nslookup, cmd not found |
| 09:25.29 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: hmm are your dns pkgs installed? |
| 09:25.35 | karsten | Ah. stty ;-) |
| 09:25.41 | karsten | RvGaTe: Install it. |
| 09:25.41 | RvGaTe | hooya: and i cant install the package, becouse there is no internet |
| 09:25.51 | karsten | RvGaTe: ... or try 'dig' or 'host' or 'mtr' |
| 09:26.05 | liable | just ping would be a good start.. |
| 09:26.09 | karsten | liable: Point. |
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| 09:26.21 | RvGaTe | liable: ping doesn't do anything |
| 09:26.26 | stew | :) |
| 09:26.28 | liable | heh |
| 09:26.42 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: you should be able to use direct ip though |
| 09:26.45 | liable | RvGaTe: then your *route* is fuxored |
| 09:26.54 | hooya | well, i really wanted a machine that went "pong" instead. |
| 09:26.59 | liable | RvGaTe: did i mention route yet? |
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| 09:27.10 | karsten | hooya: There's a screensaver for that now. |
| 09:27.19 | karsten | liable: Tell RvGaTe about route ;-) |
| 09:27.25 | liable | :) |
| 09:27.35 | RvGaTe | pinging ip's works tho |
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| 09:27.58 | valdyn | RvGaTe: so you have internet, you do not have a functional nameserver |
| 09:28.06 | liable | haha |
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| 09:28.09 | hooya | RvGaTe: try 'iptables-save | grep DROP' |
| 09:28.13 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: ah yes me thinks its you dns lookup |
| 09:28.24 | liable | RvGaTe: pinging the ip valdyn just gave you works?? |
| 09:28.26 | hooya | RvGaTe: nevermind. |
| 09:29.10 | valdyn | RvGaTe: 'cat /etc/resolv.conf' ( do not paste here, /msg dpkg paste ) |
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| 09:29.24 | RvGaTe | thedingus9: in my interfaces, my dns-nameserver is pointing to the router |
| 09:29.42 | RvGaTe | valdyn: found the problem |
| 09:29.49 | RvGaTe | guys, i found it ! :P |
| 09:30.01 | thedingus9 | what was it? |
| 09:30.12 | RvGaTe | i brought the server to a lan-party a few weeks ago |
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| 09:30.33 | thedingus9 | and |
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| 09:30.51 | RvGaTe | i remember (after looking at the resolf.conf) that i changed that, becouse the lan had a different nameserver |
| 09:30.54 | RvGaTe | different ip |
| 09:30.59 | AbasCatus | hello ppl |
| 09:31.09 | AbasCatus | I have a problem starting kde in debian |
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| 09:31.28 | HermanDE | Zapelius: Sorry about the late input.... |
| 09:31.29 | AbasCatus | it tells me that it is unable to connect to x server |
| 09:31.35 | AbasCatus | can somebody help me ? |
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| 09:32.00 | thedingus9 | RvGaTe: lol yah that could do it |
| 09:32.04 | HermanDE | Zapelius: Here is a better tested command... apt-get -o DIR=archive -o APT::Architecture=arm -d -u --force-yes --reinstall -y update |
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| 09:32.18 | HermanDE | Zapelius: Ensure you setup the directory called archive.... |
| 09:32.38 | RvGaTe | thedingus9: liable, karsten, valdyn, hooya: fix it, my nameserver was pointing to the wrong location... thx for the help guys, all of ya |
| 09:32.44 | RvGaTe | *fixed |
| 09:32.55 | HermanDE | Zapelius: and copy /etc/apt/sources.list to archive/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 09:33.17 | HermanDE | Zapelius: I got challenged... And the last time I did it was during woody.... |
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| 09:35.01 | AbasCatus | hello |
| 09:35.48 | AbasCatus | hello |
| 09:35.56 | Eclipser | ... |
| 09:36.02 | Eclipser | we heard you the first time |
| 09:36.14 | hooya | you had me at the first hello. |
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| 09:36.26 | AbasCatus | ohh nice |
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| 09:36.37 | AbasCatus | so can some of you help me`? |
| 09:36.53 | hooya | um, i'll have to think about it. |
| 09:36.55 | karsten | !tell AbasCatus about ask |
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| 09:37.11 | Zapelius | HermanDE, I'll check it out. thank you :) |
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| 09:37.14 | AbasCatus | I have a problem starting kde in debian |
| 09:37.17 | AbasCatus | it tells me that it is unable to connect to x server |
| 09:37.22 | karsten | !tell AbasCatus about xcfg |
| 09:37.25 | Coke | !tell AbasCatus about enter |
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| 09:37.37 | karsten | !tell AbasCatus about install x |
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| 09:37.42 | Coke | hehehe. |
| 09:37.45 | HermanDE | Zapelius: That will allow you to download a whole archive and pick and choose which to install... |
| 09:37.45 | karsten | AbasCatus: Start there. |
| 09:38.22 | CaptainMullet | Was someone talking about how to get sound to work earlier? |
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| 09:39.17 | phyrster | my netstat -tl produced this result |
| 09:39.20 | phyrster | tcp 0 0 *:sunrpc *:* LISTEN |
| 09:39.25 | karsten | !tell phyrster about flood |
| 09:39.26 | phyrster | what is this sunrpc doing? |
| 09:39.37 | AbasCatus | omg that was to much for my noob ass |
| 09:39.42 | AbasCatus | :P |
| 09:39.53 | phyrster | karsten: stop. just one line! |
| 09:39.59 | karsten | AbasCatus: odds are you don't have X installed or configured right. |
| 09:40.07 | karsten | phyrster: I was anticipating worse ;-) |
| 09:40.15 | liable | AbasCatus: as root, type in a terminal .. tasksel . then pick desktop |
| 09:40.18 | karsten | phyrster: running as root for that? |
| 09:40.22 | phyrster | I don't need this sunrpc listing on some port. how to disable it? |
| 09:40.30 | AbasCatus | (karsten): I think so to |
| 09:40.32 | phyrster | karsten: I don't know what it is doing there. |
| 09:40.38 | liable | phyrster: inetd.conf |
| 09:40.40 | karsten | phyrster: Got NIS/NFS? |
| 09:40.46 | phyrster | no |
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| 09:41.41 | karsten | phyrster: You're probably running portmap. Try 'netstat -tlp' |
| 09:41.49 | stew | !portmap |
| 09:41.50 | dpkg | portmap is, like, for sun RPC based services (like NFS and NIS). To disable it, simply remove the "portmap" package. |
| 09:42.06 | karsten | phyrster: If you can't think of a good reason to do that, disable it. If that breaks something, reenable it. |
| 09:42.10 | AbasCatus | tasksel is a great command |
| 09:42.10 | AbasCatus | :d |
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| 09:42.20 | AbasCatus | I am about to get something : |
| 09:42.32 | stew | AbasCatus: aptitude gives more options under "tasks" |
| 09:42.36 | liable | a shitload of somethings :) |
| 09:43.11 | AbasCatus | (stew): ok I try that |
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| 09:44.16 | AbasCatus | so commands apt-get and dpkg is like yast in suse ? |
| 09:44.29 | liable | !reference |
| 09:44.29 | dpkg | well, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 09:44.33 | liable | AbasCatus: ^^ |
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| 09:45.15 | liable | AbasCatus: but to answer your question, yes, apt and dpkg are the tools for installing software. |
| 09:45.19 | aum | hi - debian's not booting - i just installed a second debian on /dev/hdb3, set 'root (hd1,2)' and 'kernel (hd1,2)/vmlinuz root=/dev/hdb3' - i get kernel panic - kernel starts up but complains it 'cannot open hdb3' - any ideas? |
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| 09:46.26 | hooya | aum: ext3 in the kernel? initrd? |
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| 09:47.00 | aum | hooya: i've used the latest netinst, the volume is ext3 |
| 09:47.07 | CaptainMullet | Night all. |
| 09:47.14 | AbasCatus | nn |
| 09:47.49 | liable | AbasCatus: paste your menu list and fdisk -l to a paster |
| 09:48.05 | phyrster | karsten: I have a firewall which only opens ports I want to. but why sunrpc is stilling listing on *? |
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| 09:48.24 | phyrster | or with that firewall, people can't connect in actually. |
| 09:48.37 | hooya | phyrster: firewall doesn't stop apps from listening on ports. |
| 09:48.47 | liable | phyrster: it listens, doesnt mean people can connect to it. |
| 09:49.11 | phyrster | ok. I see. I assume the firewall works. |
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| 09:49.29 | phyrster | but why sunrpc listens to ALL ports. |
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| 09:49.34 | tarzeau | haha yes damnsnow.mpg is funny |
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| 09:49.41 | tarzeau | it's even got the special extra moo |
| 09:49.46 | tarzeau | someone else wants it? |
| 09:49.51 | tarzeau | (500kb) |
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| 09:50.03 | liable | tarzeau: yeah, where? |
| 09:50.17 | tarzeau | liable: i can send it by dcc |
| 09:50.32 | karsten | phyrster: It will bind to whatever port it's configured for. Whether the kernel's passing it packets through your iptables rules is another question. |
| 09:50.33 | liable | tarzeau: httpd? |
| 09:50.38 | hooya | phyrster: sunrpc is not listening on all ports. it's listening on all interfaces on port 111 |
| 09:50.39 | phyrster | this line is also very strange: |
| 09:50.39 | phyrster | tcp 0 0 *:dict *:* LISTEN 3791/1 |
| 09:50.41 | eps | mmm xmms defaults looking for skins in ~/.xmms/Skins when installed with debian packages, though when you install xmms-skins it installs them into /usr/share/xmms/Skins ...should the default xmms package not point to this location? |
| 09:50.47 | tarzeau | liable: /dcc get don't work? |
| 09:51.01 | phyrster | the program name is 1 ? |
| 09:51.11 | jm_ | eps: it should read both dirs |
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| 09:51.49 | eps | jm_ I have the latest xmms package and I just noticed the inconsistancy then, so I assume it is missing from the package? |
| 09:51.57 | SperMite | im using etch so it should be NVDIST=testing right? |
| 09:51.59 | valdyn | - |
| 09:51.59 | jm_ | eps: what is missing? |
| 09:52.00 | liable | tarzeau: to tell you the truth, i've never used dcc. dont really want to either. |
| 09:52.11 | tarzeau | liable: why not try it? |
| 09:52.19 | eps | jm_ xmms doesn't look in /usr/share/xmms/skins, you have to add it in the skin browser |
| 09:52.19 | tarzeau | liable: just type /dcc get tarzeau |
| 09:52.24 | tarzeau | liable: and you'll find the file in your home |
| 09:52.37 | tarzeau | liable: i've used irssi and dcc to transfer files of 600 mb :) |
| 09:52.49 | tarzeau | liable: and even continue worked! |
| 09:53.00 | jm_ | eps: ahh I see, true, but I don't see a problem with that |
| 09:53.03 | AbasCatus | (tarzeau): For movies or what `? |
| 09:53.04 | phyrster | why dict is also called 1 as its program name as in shown in netstat ? |
| 09:53.07 | KerPlunk | I have a cd mounted, "mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom" and I want to copy data off of this cd, into a directory on my hdd. I type "cp /media/cdrom/* ~/foobar" and it starts to copy the data...but I get an input/output errors( http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Wu9h1j59.html ) in the middle of the copying...but not the entire file is on the bad sector...how can I copy the part of the file that is accessible? ( cp: reading `VIDEO_TS/VTS_01_0.BUP': Input/output err |
| 09:53.07 | liable | ok, i try. |
| 09:53.12 | tarzeau | AbasCatus: yes, toy story |
| 09:53.16 | deadcat | how do i join another server from this irssi? |
| 09:53.21 | AbasCatus | (tarzeau): hahaha |
| 09:53.24 | tarzeau | deadcat: /connect server |
| 09:53.32 | SperMite | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:53.33 | deadcat | thanks |
| 09:53.34 | jm_ | deadcat: /read startup howto |
| 09:53.35 | eps | jm_ might be a bit beyond newbies to find where the skins where put and what dir needs to be added? just thought I'd point it out so if some one got bored they could fix it :P |
| 09:53.37 | tarzeau | deadcat: in status window change with ctrl-x |
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| 09:53.49 | eps | were* |
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| 09:54.12 | jm_ | eps: yeah, maybe README.Debian in xmms-skins package should be added |
| 09:54.40 | eps | anyway *wanders off to play with new skins* |
| 09:54.47 | tarzeau | liable: see, very easy :) |
| 09:55.00 | deadcat | you guys still here? |
| 09:55.38 | liable | tarzeau: yeah, sec i got a longer version of that if i didnt delete it. |
| 09:55.40 | AbasCatus | (deadcat): yeah, in this channels there is 708 users |
| 09:55.47 | cyprinu | im trying to burn cd using cdrecord but cdrecord -scanbus gices an error back: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/pg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
| 09:55.47 | cyprinu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:56.08 | cyprinu | how to fix it? |
| 09:56.30 | deadcat | cool. i guess i am on 2 servers. how do i join a channel blah on another server? |
| 09:56.32 | tarzeau | cyprinus: what says ls -la /dev/hdd |
| 09:56.47 | jm_ | cyprinus: cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus, or simply use dev=/dev/hdd and be done with it |
| 09:56.47 | tarzeau | deadcat: in status window use ctrl-x and then /j #whatever |
| 09:56.50 | AbasCatus | /join |
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| 09:57.13 | deadcat | tarzeau: ya. how does it know which server the channel will be? |
| 09:57.28 | liable | deadcat: thats what ctrl x does |
| 09:57.30 | cyprinus | tarzeau: ls shows /dev/hdd |
| 09:57.30 | tarzeau | deadcat: ctrl-x |
| 09:57.42 | tarzeau | cyprinus: cdrecord works here |
| 09:57.53 | deadcat | o |
| 09:58.08 | deadcat | ah. thanks yall |
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| 09:58.33 | stew | deadcat: or /join -server #channel |
| 09:58.43 | stew | deadcat: or, of course, /help join |
| 09:58.43 | cyprinus | tarzeau: but i cant write any CD this way |
| 09:58.59 | deadcat | cool |
| 09:59.00 | tarzeau | cyprinus: i can. what kernel do you have? |
| 09:59.08 | tarzeau | cyprinus: and do you use ide-scsi or not? |
| 09:59.22 | tarzeau | deadcat: indeed, what's your other server? |
| 09:59.55 | cyprinus | tarzeau: i use 2.6.12-1-386 (etch) |
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| 10:00.34 | stagger | jo! |
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| 10:00.43 | stagger | is anybody here |
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| 10:00.56 | AbasCatus | (stagger): Allways |
| 10:00.58 | stagger | i have a little problem... |
| 10:01.00 | cyprinus | tarzeau: ide-scsi |
| 10:01.04 | stagger | will you help me? |
| 10:01.14 | AbasCatus | uhhh I'm a noob :d |
| 10:01.18 | stew | cyprinus: don't use ide-scsi with 2.6 |
| 10:01.20 | tarzeau | cyprinus: so it's /dev/sd* |
| 10:01.22 | tarzeau | or so |
| 10:01.26 | AbasCatus | I am just here and learning |
| 10:01.40 | stew | !tell stagger about ask |
| 10:01.40 | AbasCatus | reading what ppl write :d |
| 10:02.04 | tilrman | I'm running etch and dist-upgrade reports that k3b is going away. How do I grab k3b and its deps from sid one time until k3b is back in etch? Is this something I should do? |
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| 10:02.20 | cyprinus | stew: ok, how can i fix it? |
| 10:02.34 | stew | cyprinus: rmmod ide-scsi ; modprobe ide-cd ; you should be doing something like cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc /path/to/iso |
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| 10:02.54 | stew | s/rmmod/modprobe -r/ |
| 10:03.41 | cyprinus | stew: Module ide_scsi does not exist in /proc/modules |
| 10:03.50 | stew | cyprinus: good |
| 10:04.05 | cyprinus | but modprobe is ok |
| 10:04.09 | cyprinus | i did it |
| 10:04.11 | cyprinus | i meant |
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| 10:04.39 | Minase | hallo. since i upgraded to etch (apt-get dist-upgrade), xterm breaks with XIM. it gives the error: 'Preparation of font set "*" for XIM failed.' (i am using im-ja-xim-server, and this particular configuration has been working for a year+). does anyone have any idea what the problem is? i tried RTFS but i don't know enough about x font internals to guess what to fix... |
| 10:04.39 | stew | cyprinus: /dev/hdc was assuming your ide is the master on the second ide bus, you might need to adjust that to your actual setup |
| 10:04.51 | cyprinus | stew: ok |
| 10:05.02 | cyprinus | stew: and the last thing, how can i turn dma on? |
| 10:05.07 | liable | tarzeau: wget short.dyndns.org/The\ Mootrix\ 2.wmv |
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| 10:05.30 | stew | cyprinus: it should be done for you, "cat /proc/ide/hdX" and look for DMA |
| 10:05.41 | stew | cyprinus: if its not, something is probably wrong |
| 10:05.42 | liable | tarzeau: wasnt the one i was thinking of, but pretty funny. |
| 10:05.51 | fleuret | where can I download a specific .deb now that packages.debian.org is under maintenance ? |
| 10:06.20 | stew | cyprinus: err, /proc/ide/hdX/settings and X should be a,b,c, or d or something |
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| 10:06.42 | stagger | Please, help me: Every time I start my X server I see that black and white, dotted background. I tried to use xsetroot in my xinitrc, but that doestn work perfectly. How can I make the X server to show me the black screen at the startup? PS: I know, I'm lame |
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| 10:07.22 | stew | stagger: are you using a login manager / display manager? |
| 10:07.29 | stew | stagger: or are you typing startx? |
| 10:07.31 | stagger | no |
| 10:07.53 | cyprinus | stew: ok now |
| 10:08.16 | stew | stagger: does xsetroot work after x is started? |
| 10:08.54 | stagger | when i type startx and in my initrc is gnome-session everything is ok, but when I start other WM's or only the X , I see the dotted backgroun at the start |
| 10:09.02 | RvGaTe | Is there something like MS Exchange for linux ? |
| 10:09.16 | RvGaTe | with the same functionality |
| 10:09.26 | stew | stagger: where is xsetroot relative to the WM in .xinitrc? |
| 10:09.36 | stagger | xsetroot works after it is started, but it doesn't change the bacground when i use it in initrc |
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| 10:10.13 | stagger | stew I don't understand.... |
| 10:10.30 | stew | stagger: xsetroot needs to appear earlier in the .xinitrc than your windowmanager |
| 10:10.31 | zoggy | hey there, does anyone know how to (temporarily) uninstall kde please - we're having a problem since installing kde3.5 and the suggested solution is to uninstall kde, install libdjvulibre15 and then reinstall, thanks a *lot* - the pasted detailed descr of the error is here -http://rafb.net/paste/results/k9J9y768.html |
| 10:10.35 | ircdevil | what is that debian list survey thing? |
| 10:10.37 | stagger | I put xetroot -solid black in my local .xinitrc |
| 10:10.45 | ircdevil | what purpose does it serve? |
| 10:10.50 | stew | stagger: and is your window manager in .xinitrc? |
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| 10:11.02 | karsten | ircdevil: I got one as well. There was an informational URL, I didn't go to it. |
| 10:11.09 | stagger | Oh... I see... |
| 10:11.17 | stew | zoggy: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 10:11.26 | stagger | I should try to put xsetroot at start of the file? right? |
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| 10:11.33 | stew | stagger: yes |
| 10:11.41 | stagger | ok, thaks |
| 10:11.41 | deadcat | we need someone to package and maintain xcompmgr and transset |
| 10:11.45 | ircdevil | karsten: well, not there is not |
| 10:11.46 | zoggy | thanks stew, will give it a #bash |
| 10:11.51 | deadcat | or its still too unstable? |
| 10:11.55 | ircdevil | err no |
| 10:12.06 | stew | zoggy: huh? |
| 10:12.12 | streuner | deadcat: ask gravity |
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| 10:12.26 | ircdevil | karsten: there is the survery page, the debian list page, and the greek department page. no explanation of what the survey is going to be used for? |
| 10:12.28 | zoggy | (will give it a try) |
| 10:12.33 | ircdevil | this could be M$ ! |
| 10:12.49 | karsten | ircdevil: Point. I'd have a strong urge to report it as spam. |
| 10:12.59 | deadcat | streuner: he wont |
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| 10:13.02 | kneet | lastlog cdrecord |
| 10:13.04 | karsten | ircdevil: You got those URLs by chance? My box is dying. |
| 10:13.07 | kneet | !lastlog cdrecord |
| 10:13.11 | kneet | Damn |
| 10:13.14 | zoggy | sorry stew, it responded saying "Removing kde ..." within 2 seconds |
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| 10:13.27 | streuner | deadcat: we spoke about, ask him what happened in the meantime... |
| 10:13.30 | karsten | deadcat: What's xcompmgr / transset? |
| 10:13.35 | stagger | stew i cheked my xinitrc... the xsetroot command is at the beginning... |
| 10:13.38 | ircdevil | http://swserv1.csd.auth.gr/survey/index.php?sid=17 |
| 10:13.48 | zoggy | stew: .. but now when i try to do a dist-upgrade, i still get .. |
| 10:13.52 | zoggy | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 10:13.52 | zoggy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.52 | zoggy | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:13.52 | zoggy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:13.56 | ircdevil | http://sweng.csd.auth.gr/ |
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| 10:14.18 | zoggy | whoops, my apologies |
| 10:14.30 | yang | I expected some compiler problems - http://pastebin.com/509626 |
| 10:14.35 | deadcat | karsten: translucent stuff for xorg |
| 10:14.38 | stew | zoggy: did you apt-get remove kdelibs? |
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| 10:14.50 | ircdevil | well, because they fail to explain what they are going to use the survey for, i can only regards this a spam. |
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| 10:14.52 | karsten | deadcat: Package your shell prompt ;-) |
| 10:15.00 | karsten | deadcat: Did you get that vim stuff working? |
| 10:15.09 | deadcat | karsten: ya. working. thanks. |
| 10:15.19 | karsten | deadcat: NP |
| 10:15.25 | stew | !remove kde =~ s#kdelibs3 kdelibs4#kdelibs# |
| 10:15.25 | dpkg | stew: OK |
| 10:16.02 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 10:16.02 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
| 10:16.44 | deadcat | i am waiting for this in openbox (= http://david.chalkskeletons.com/openbox.html |
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| 10:17.11 | zoggy | stew, with the apt-get remove kdelibs, i got "unmet dependencies" - http://rafb.net/paste/results/hKDJQc63.html |
| 10:17.13 | noid | if i want to set up two environment variables permanently (JAVA_HOME and CATALINA_HOME) for all users, where should i do it? |
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| 10:17.26 | deadcat | noid: .bash_profile if you use bash |
| 10:17.52 | noid | deadcat: and that would be for just one user, right? |
| 10:18.06 | deadcat | ya |
| 10:18.17 | karsten | noid: /etc/environment globally, if you're lucky. |
| 10:18.37 | ladyisabel77 | what is the command that show me my hardware? |
| 10:18.45 | noid | karsten: lucky, how? |
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| 10:18.50 | karsten | ircdevil: Lots of publications listed, none available online: http://sweng.csd.auth.gr/wb/pages/publications/freeopen-source-software-engineering.php |
| 10:18.58 | deadcat | ladyisabel77: lspci, lshw |
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| 10:19.15 | stew | zoggy: yeah, you have some half installed pacakges that want to be installed before you can do anything (like remove other packages), you should be able to remove the half-installed packages, apt-get remove kde-core kdelibs4c2a |
| 10:19.22 | karsten | noid: Linux doesn't quite have a solid mechanism for coordinating environment space across users. |
| 10:19.40 | deadcat | karsten: i got school tomorrow. but just jogging and bowling though hehe. |
| 10:19.50 | llvllatrix | is the debian wiki down? |
| 10:19.54 | noid | karsten: ok, I'll try both things then, thanks |
| 10:20.01 | stew | zoggy: if all you are trying to do in the long run is install kde, you should be trying "apt-get install kde-core" instead, however |
| 10:20.03 | smarco | where can i see the configurations of the debian-kernels? |
| 10:20.15 | stew | smarco: /boot/config-$version |
| 10:20.16 | deadcat | smarco: /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 10:20.16 | karsten | noid: Hrm. Seems to work. |
| 10:20.23 | stagger | Will anybody help me? My problem is that the first thing I see afer starting the X server is awful, black and white, dotted background. The screen disapears after few seconds when using most of the window managers. I tried adding the option "xsetroot -solid black" at the begining of my local .xinitrc file. It stil doesn't works. What should I do, to have the black background after running only the X server??????? |
| 10:20.35 | stew | smarco: that is, if you have it installed, if not, which version are you curious about? |
| 10:20.35 | smarco | stew, deadcat thank you |
| 10:20.43 | zoggy | stew, thanks - is there any way to tell apt to remove all the dependent packages? |
| 10:20.58 | ladyisabel77 | thanks |
| 10:21.07 | stew | stagger: ln -s .xinitrc .xsession |
| 10:21.12 | stew | stagger: and try again |
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| 10:21.18 | stagger | ok |
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| 10:21.28 | noid | karsten: how do you test it? |
| 10:21.37 | stco | Hi |
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| 10:21.46 | karsten | noid: I just set a flag value (ENVIRONMENT_TEST_VALUE="Red Dragon") in /etc/environment, then logged into localhost via SSH and checked for it. |
| 10:21.57 | karsten | noid: It's there. I'm not sure how it's being invoked. |
| 10:22.14 | noid | karsten: ok, works here too, thanks for the help |
| 10:22.18 | RvGaTe | is it possible to make a dhcp server work on only 1 given interface? |
| 10:22.23 | karsten | noid: NP. |
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| 10:22.25 | willo | yes. |
| 10:22.26 | karsten | RvGaTe: yes. |
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| 10:22.34 | RvGaTe | or make it work at any interfaces BUT 1 |
| 10:22.43 | karsten | RvGaTe: man interfaces |
| 10:22.46 | willo | define the interfaces you want to use. |
| 10:22.56 | stco | Does somebody know if debian for powerpc supports airport extreme on iBook G4? |
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| 10:23.00 | willo | in dhcpd.conf (if you're using the isc) |
| 10:23.02 | stagger | stew but I have already the xsession file... should I delete it??? |
| 10:23.09 | noid | karsten: i guess i have to log out of X to make changes apply, or is there another way? |
| 10:23.13 | zoggy | stew: .. because when i tried that, i just gave me a bigger list to uninstall - http://rafb.net/paste/paste.php |
| 10:23.17 | zoggy | whoops |
| 10:23.22 | stew | stagger: dunno, you actually shouldnt' need it if you are starting x with startx |
| 10:23.25 | zoggy | stew: http://rafb.net/paste/results/rfyFva93.html |
| 10:23.29 | zoggy | (moron alert, sorry) |
| 10:23.47 | liable | stco: i read somewhere the other day that there are linux drivers available recently. |
| 10:24.02 | liable | stco: and no, i dont know where. |
| 10:24.21 | stew | zoggy: what version of debian are you running anyway? and what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 10:24.31 | stco | liable: :) thx, T |
| 10:24.39 | liable | np |
| 10:24.50 | stco | liable: That's all i wanted to know |
| 10:24.58 | stco | cu |
| 10:25.05 | liable | stco: google before you buy. :) |
| 10:25.18 | stco | liable: sure |
| 10:25.39 | RvGaTe | karsten: im not talking about the interfaces itself, how they should get an IP from a dhcp server, its more like on what interface the dhcp server should broadcast... i want my vpn network to run the dhcpd, but my normal lan needs to be untouched... |
| 10:25.41 | zoggy | stew, we're running testing and unstable (in our apt/sources.list) |
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| 10:25.56 | karsten | RvGaTe: man dhcpd |
| 10:25.58 | stew | zoggy: and your goal is to get kde installed or kde removed? |
| 10:26.14 | llvllatrix | hi. I'm currently attempting to get cdrecord running on debian testing (2.6.12). Currently cdrecord -scanbus does not recognize my burner. I tried using ide-scsi emulation. After doing so, cdrecord found the drive but froze then entire system when trying to use it. I later read somewhere that ide-scsi isn't needed for 2.6 kernels. Any ideas? |
| 10:26.15 | karsten | RvGaTe: You can define which MACs, which IPs, which interfaces, the server listens to. |
| 10:26.27 | zoggy | stew: .. our end goal is to get kde installed |
| 10:26.34 | stew | zoggy: apt-get install kde-core |
| 10:26.48 | stew | zoggy: and/or apt-get -f install |
| 10:26.51 | karsten | RvGaTe: s/IPs .. listens to/IPs are assigned/ |
| 10:26.59 | zoggy | stew: it pulls a sign at me - i'll paste the response - thanks for the help |
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| 10:27.14 | stew | pulls a sign? |
| 10:27.24 | liable | llvllatrix: what command were you try without scsi em? |
| 10:27.31 | RvGaTe | karsten: didn't understand that last one |
| 10:27.36 | stew | zoggy: i don't know why you are trying to remove pacakges |
| 10:27.43 | llvllatrix | liable: I tried using burn |
| 10:27.48 | karsten | RvGaTe: DHCP servers don't listen to IPs. I'm correcting myself. |
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| 10:28.11 | karsten | RvGaTe: ... they listen to interfaces, and may be set for specific MACs. They assign IPs. You know this already. |
| 10:28.15 | llvllatrix | liable: burn is a python wrapper around cdrecord |
| 10:28.30 | dutch_ | Any way to get Visual Studio .net on linux? |
| 10:28.39 | karsten | !tell dutch_ about mono |
| 10:28.41 | dutch_ | I heard they were going to release it before 06... ? |
| 10:28.49 | dutch_ | Ah thanks. |
| 10:28.59 | liable | llvllatrix: try cdrecord -dev=ATA -scanbus, or just try cdrecord -v -dev=/dev/hdc foo.iso |
| 10:29.25 | zoggy | stew: sorry, here's a more detailed description of what we were trying to accomplish - http://rafb.net/paste/results/k9J9y768.html |
| 10:29.30 | liable | llvllatrix: substituting hdc with whatever yours is of course |
| 10:29.35 | RvGaTe | karsten: but what if you dont know the "incoming" MACs, but if they are coming from a specific interface (the vpn interface) it should provide a ip/settings |
| 10:29.55 | RvGaTe | karsten: kinda strange sentince, but i think you'll get the idea |
| 10:30.10 | id23 | is it possible to use punnycode (IDN) Domains with sarge apache2 ? |
| 10:30.18 | llvllatrix | liable: it tried to access hda, not hdd |
| 10:30.23 | karsten | RvGaTe: Then you configure your server to its local system interface(s). |
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| 10:30.32 | llvllatrix | liable: when using the first command |
| 10:31.10 | liable | llvllatrix: really, -dev=ATA: try the second one. with hdd |
| 10:31.31 | RvGaTe | karsten: thats not really covered (or i missed it) in the man dhcpd |
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| 10:32.00 | stew | zoggy: can you paste your sources.list? |
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| 10:32.15 | llvllatrix | liable: second command seemed to work |
| 10:32.19 | ircdevil | KiwiWiki: hmmmmm how about using procmail as well? |
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| 10:32.45 | llvllatrix | liable: attempting to write an iso i have on disk |
| 10:32.50 | KiwiWiki | ircdevil, tried to, but as soon as i define postfix for procmail use it bypasses the mailscanner. |
| 10:32.55 | karsten | RvGaTe: dhcpd.conf |
| 10:32.56 | liable | llvllatrix: hrm, it tried to acces hda on my lappy too, but not my desktop.. |
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| 10:33.05 | ircdevil | KiwiWiki: postfix fetches mail, mailscanner identifies spam, procmail sorts |
| 10:33.05 | zoggy | stew, yeah sure, but would you mind showing me a copy of your sources.list later - so i can see how it's done by pro's... thanks |
| 10:33.10 | llvllatrix | liable: it seems to be working |
| 10:33.13 | stew | zoggy: have you looked at the bts for libdjvulibre15 ? |
| 10:33.15 | liable | llvllatrix: cool |
| 10:33.18 | ircdevil | KiwiWiki: the procmail documentation will tell you how to set it up properly |
| 10:33.38 | stew | zoggy: my sources.list? i don't run unstable |
| 10:33.40 | llvllatrix | liable: i wonder if there is any way to change the default target |
| 10:34.05 | liable | llvllatrix: in cdrecords conf file. |
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| 10:34.20 | KiwiWiki | ircdevil, it explains for an MTA only setup. not for mailscanner setups. |
| 10:34.34 | zoggy | stew, just to see how other people do theirs |
| 10:34.38 | zoggy | (strange request) |
| 10:34.42 | karsten | RvGaTe: The only example I've got here is RH, /etc/sysconfig/dhcpd has "DHCPDARGS=eth0" which looks like a NIC assignment ;-) |
| 10:34.56 | zoggy | i'm sad that if i don't get this working, the user will move to kubuntu |
| 10:35.11 | ircdevil | KiwiWiki: well, i think that procmail docs covers setup of spamassassin |
| 10:35.16 | llvllatrix | liable: thanks |
| 10:35.19 | stagger | stew I did what you told me and my it almost works. I have a black background, but after about 1 second. Is there any possibility to have black backgroun from start of the X? Does the X server has any other configfiles ? Can I make it without the xsetroot utility? |
| 10:35.21 | A64 | hi there, perhaps you can help me. How can I set my 'Konsole' to behave for my keyboard as I were in a plain shell ? I cannot type in some characters like <> and | (I copied theme here :) too).. |
| 10:35.21 | liable | llvllatrix: yw |
| 10:35.34 | stew | zoggy: "deb http://$mirror/debian unstable main" |
| 10:35.42 | A64 | in normal console mode, no X and KDE, they work. |
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| 10:35.56 | RvGaTe | karsten: yup, most def. looks like it, is it just that on the top? |
| 10:36.09 | stew | zoggy: are you pinned to testing by default? |
| 10:36.36 | stew | stagger: afaik there is nothing you can do about x wanting to load the hatch pattern, it will always load it, there is no config |
| 10:36.37 | karsten | RvGaTe: The file only contains that line. |
| 10:36.48 | liable | A64: reconfigure x and check keyboard settings. |
| 10:36.52 | zoggy | stew, no testing then unstable |
| 10:37.04 | stew | zoggy: so that line, then another for testing, that's it |
| 10:37.18 | KerPlunk | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/ll8pSr25.html How can I copy a file, and if there are bad sectors(only part of the file)...how can I ignore the bad sectors and still copy the good parts of the file? |
| 10:37.22 | RvGaTe | karsten: i guess its somewhere else in debian |
| 10:37.43 | A64 | liable: how do I do this ? what's the command for reconfigure X ? keyboard is "hu" 105-key but special characters work. only the right-alt is taken by Konsole :( |
| 10:37.50 | stew | zoggy: are you currently using unofficial sources? |
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| 10:38.01 | KerPlunk | A64: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:38.07 | KerPlunk | A64: It depends on which X you are using. |
| 10:38.09 | A64 | xorg. okay thx |
| 10:38.28 | karsten | RvGaTe: Safe assumption ;-) |
| 10:38.50 | RvGaTe | karsten: lets see what happens if i drop it straight in the dhcpd.conf |
| 10:38.50 | karsten | RvGaTe: I don't have a Debian dhcp server ATM, would check its config file or /etc/default/ |
| 10:39.05 | zoggy | stew: we are using official sources, but thru apt-proxy on a machine on our lan |
| 10:39.13 | KerPlunk | stew: You know how to copy a file with bad sectors on my disc...I want to copy as much of the file as I can...like if the file consists of sections a b c and d, if a sector on b is bad...I want to still be able to copy c and d |
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| 10:39.42 | jm_ | KerPlunk: ddrescue |
| 10:39.44 | stagger | stew but in SuSE the black baground is default after starting X. What's the trick? They are using other program than xsetroot? |
| 10:39.50 | skon | where do you place the port option when using scp? |
| 10:39.53 | KerPlunk | thanks jm_ |
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| 10:40.29 | zoggy | stew: thanks for all your help, but i think i'm gonna give up.. fresh kubuntu install |
| 10:40.38 | skon | eg; scp -r atomic-kit.tar.gz gav@192.168.1.3:/home/steve -p 1953 ?? |
| 10:40.47 | stew | stagger: i would guess they are sticking something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d ; the only way to get X to load with a black background is to altar its sourcecode, or to change it to black after X starts |
| 10:40.50 | eps | skon doesn't matter |
| 10:40.59 | stew | zoggy: you are running kubuntu now? |
| 10:41.02 | KerPlunk | skon: it's -P not -p |
| 10:41.05 | eps | skon also note it is -P portnumber |
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| 10:41.11 | skon | ahh |
| 10:41.13 | zoggy | stew: nope debian |
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| 10:41.31 | skon | thanks, thats what was stuffing me up |
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| 10:41.47 | stew | zoggy: did you ever try my suggestion of apt-get install kde-base? |
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| 10:42.32 | pawan__ | middle mouse paste closes previous rxvt (in icewm). Clues? |
| 10:42.46 | stew | zoggy: err |
| 10:42.55 | stew | zoggy: that shoudl be apt-get install -t unstable kde-base |
| 10:43.28 | zoggy | stew: nope, thanks but i'll give it a shot |
| 10:43.42 | stew | zoggy: or "apt-get install -t unstable ${whateverpackage}" the problem is probably that you are pinned to testing and it doesn't want to pull the needed kdelibs from unstable |
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| 10:44.06 | stew | bedtime for stews |
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| 10:44.20 | A64 | restart :) |
| 10:44.25 | zoggy | stew: ok makes sense |
| 10:44.32 | buu | cpans: poe component irc |
| 10:44.40 | buu | er |
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| 10:46.26 | pawan__ | ok, how do I log mouse events? |
| 10:46.55 | liable | why? |
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| 10:48.10 | pawan__ | liable: I'm trying to figure out why my middle mouse paste closes previous rxvt (in icewm) |
| 10:48.31 | pawan__ | when switching from one rxvt to another. |
| 10:48.45 | jm_ | wtf |
| 10:49.20 | jm_ | xev shows them, but that won't help ypu - start rxvt from rxvt and see if it says anything when that happens |
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| 10:49.36 | pawan__ | ok |
| 10:50.06 | pawan__ | urk. killed both rxvts by pasting in second one. |
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| 10:51.11 | smarco | does apt-get put the kernel into /vmlinuz ? |
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| 10:51.50 | liable | smarco: thats a link to the kernel image in /boot. |
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| 10:52.04 | pawan__ | whew. That's a big xsession-errors file |
| 10:52.30 | smarco | liable, alright got it now, thanks |
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| 10:53.22 | cyprinu | does cdrecord records .bin images? |
| 10:53.33 | cyprinu | record* |
| 10:54.36 | KerPlunk | cyprinus: no |
| 10:54.52 | KerPlunk | cyprinus: bin images are just a shitty attempt at iso9660 from stupid people |
| 10:55.18 | cyprinus | KerPlunk: so is there any way to convert it in painless way? |
| 10:55.28 | liable | isnt there an app that gets the iso out of the .bin? |
| 10:55.46 | KerPlunk | !bchunk |
| 10:55.47 | dpkg | methinks bchunk is a bin2iso tool to convert .bin to .iso and .cdr so you can burn with cdrecord. eg: 'cdrecord ... blah.iso -audio [-pad] [-swab] blah*.cdr'. It's available at http://hes.iki.fi/bchunk/, or in debian (woody and above) |
| 10:55.56 | karsten | cyprinus: ISO == BIN |
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| 10:56.03 | karsten | No? |
| 10:56.06 | KerPlunk | apt-get install bchunk |
| 10:56.12 | KerPlunk | karsten: no |
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| 10:56.21 | KerPlunk | karsten: They are both image files but they aren't the same. |
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| 10:56.38 | karsten | KerPlunk: Danke, edified. |
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| 10:57.16 | KerPlunk | karsten: bin/cue is usually from illegal groups..that pirate games and software. |
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| 10:57.33 | KerPlunk | karsten: They have rules amongst these illegal groups...and one of their rules state they must use bin/cue |
| 10:58.00 | liable | wtf? |
| 10:58.02 | karsten | KerPlunk: Go figah. Isn't it a 'Doze thing too? |
| 10:58.03 | KerPlunk | karsten: So now and then people come in here and they downloaded this crap and they want to convert it to iso9660 |
| 10:58.07 | RvGaTe | karsten: i tried dropping that line you gave me into the config file, can i PM you for the output ? (it gave me an error :)) |
| 10:58.25 | pawan__ | (clutchng at straws) how do I fix the "locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to see" warning in .xsession-errors? |
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| 10:58.34 | KerPlunk | karsten: I believe it is difficult to change the rules amongst the group. they also use crc32 instead of sha or md5 |
| 10:58.35 | gaspard | greetings there |
| 10:58.37 | liable | doesnt nero make .cue files? |
| 10:58.39 | KerPlunk | They have many old rules that aren't changed. |
| 10:58.40 | pawan__ | s/see/C/ |
| 10:58.53 | humbletech99 | hi all, I've got a weird problem in that my x terminals the text seems to wrap around to the beginning of the same line and overwrite it instead of going down to the next line. Does anybody know how to fix this? |
| 10:59.24 | KerPlunk | Well the .cue file is a cue sheet. |
| 10:59.30 | KerPlunk | It's for listing files or music or whatever you want. |
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| 10:59.40 | jm_ | cyprinus: cdrdao can burn cue/bin files |
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| 10:59.48 | pawan__ | humbletech99 : does maximizing the term fix it? |
| 10:59.49 | jm_ | cue is basically a TOC |
| 11:00.06 | pengol | hi there how do I list all existing metapackages? |
| 11:00.31 | humbletech99 | yes, if i change the size but I'm sure this isn't supposed to happen... |
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| 11:00.59 | humbletech99 | i thought it was an aterm problem, then figured out it was happening in every x terminal emulator |
| 11:01.32 | humbletech99 | i also thought it might be a miconfiguration problem but apparently it's a bash bug. |
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| 11:02.00 | KerPlunk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_image |
| 11:02.04 | aldarsior | Hi, I have a little program that I wrote and I would like for it to run on startup in my home directory. Is that possible? |
| 11:02.08 | humbletech99 | what's weird is that it doesn't affect the new user i created for testing, so there must be some config issue which triggers it |
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| 11:02.13 | KerPlunk | That is an excellent article describing the difference between iso9660 and bin/cue |
| 11:02.31 | jm_ | humbletech99: using some fancy bash prompt? |
| 11:02.54 | eps | humbletech99 I had that problem the other day in a gnome-terminal (didn't try any others) though it went away when I rebooted...I never did work out what caused it |
| 11:03.01 | humbletech99 | no, i checked that already and removed everything back to bash-3.1$ |
| 11:03.09 | pengol | is there a metapackage with compulilers, debuggers, and development tools? |
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| 11:03.18 | jm_ | there are still things like prompt_function |
| 11:03.29 | jm_ | or PROMPT_COMMAND in bash |
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| 11:04.06 | humbletech99 | aldarsior: write a startup script and put it in your default runlevel (2 on debian) |
| 11:04.27 | humbletech99 | got rid of everythin including that PROMPT_COMMAND... |
| 11:04.27 | aldarsior | humbletech99: how do I determine the root directory of the service? |
| 11:04.49 | humbletech99 | ald: what??? |
| 11:05.36 | KerPlunk | aldarsior: Put the script in /etc/init.d/thenameofyourscript, aldarsior then chmod +x /etc/init.d/thenameofyourscript; aldarsior Then cd /etc/rc2.d/(assuming that's your run level which it is by default), then make a symbolic link starting with S##, i.e. : ln -s /etc/init.d/thenameofyourscript /etc/rc2.D/S99thenameofyourscript |
| 11:05.39 | aldarsior | humbletech99: or rather, how do I determine the user that the startup script runs at? |
| 11:05.42 | humbletech99 | write a bash script and set it's directory; then execute program. I'd suggest putting it at the end of the boot sequence |
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| 11:06.04 | jm_ | you can specify the user with start-stop-daemon |
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| 11:07.10 | aldarsior | KerPlunk: thanks... |
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| 11:07.15 | aldarsior | jm_: um, what? |
| 11:07.21 | KerPlunk | aldarsior: That will make the script run for _all_ users. |
| 11:07.38 | aldarsior | KerPlunk: I guess that's fine. |
| 11:07.46 | jm_ | aldarsior: read its manpage |
| 11:07.53 | aldarsior | jm_: okay, thanks |
| 11:08.24 | humbletech99 | no, it will run once per boot (or per runlevel change more precisely, but less common) |
| 11:08.26 | RvGaTe | karsten: found it, debian uses /etc/default/dhcp, with 1 line in it: interfaces="device1 device2" |
| 11:08.47 | RvGaTe | karsten: works like a charm (or however you say that) |
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| 11:11.42 | humbletech99 | how about this for weirdness, my fluxbox window manager can no longer set the desktop background in styles via rootCommand: fbsetbg ~/.fluxbox/backrounds/some.jpg |
| 11:11.52 | humbletech99 | but it works fine from command line |
| 11:12.02 | zeroC | hi, does anyone uses nxclient w/ windows? |
| 11:12.12 | zeroC | to connect to an debian serverf |
| 11:12.13 | zeroC | ^^ |
| 11:12.15 | zeroC | sry |
| 11:12.52 | humbletech99 | also, it can only set some styles, others come out all grey and the ones which are dir/them.cfg instead of just Stylefile don't even appear on the Menu! |
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| 11:13.14 | humbletech99 | they all used to work before, I don't really get it. |
| 11:13.27 | KerPlunk | aldarsior: !tell zeroC about enter |
| 11:13.35 | aldarsior | what'd I do? |
| 11:13.37 | KerPlunk | !tell zeroC about enter |
| 11:13.42 | KerPlunk | nothing aldarsior heh |
| 11:13.47 | aldarsior | oh. |
| 11:13.48 | humbletech99 | since stripping out everything and putting it back, most work, but quite a few are still grey or don't set properly |
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| 11:14.51 | humbletech99 | apart from these weirdnesses recently, Fluxbox rocks! |
| 11:15.05 | KerPlunk | !start a window manager war |
| 11:15.05 | dpkg | blackbox blows chunks! |
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| 11:15.20 | Eclipser | dpkg, agreed! |
| 11:15.21 | humbletech99 | ok |
| 11:15.35 | humbletech99 | there, cool water better than fire |
| 11:15.52 | KerPlunk | humbletech99: I agree...I use fluxbox. Best window manager in the world.. none come even close..the rest blow chunks |
| 11:15.58 | aidehua | Is there a system-wide location for setting HTTP-proxy information? http_proxy= and HTTP_PROXY= in /etc/profile? :) |
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| 11:16.30 | humbletech99 | have any of you seen this style cursing witchcraft before? |
| 11:16.31 | zeroC | KerPlunk, sorry... |
| 11:16.38 | KerPlunk | aidehua: You could just export a variable to your shell..then per each program reference this variable. |
| 11:16.51 | KerPlunk | !tell zeroC about anyone |
| 11:16.54 | KerPlunk | !tell zeroC about ask |
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| 11:19.12 | shad0w1e | anyone know how I can change my broadcast address on eth0 ? |
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| 11:19.27 | shad0w1e | ...off of the net install CD, that is |
| 11:20.01 | KerPlunk | shad0w1e: Your "broadcast address" you mean you ip? or mac address? |
| 11:20.20 | shad0w1e | broadcast is wrong |
| 11:20.30 | shad0w1e | I cant imagine why else it cant connect to the mirror |
| 11:20.51 | KerPlunk | shad0w1e: What is your broadcast address? |
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| 11:20.57 | shad0w1e | 10.0.0.255 |
| 11:21.03 | shad0w1e | its giving me 10.255.255.255 |
| 11:22.26 | zeroC | i want to connect w/ my windows to my debian system (running sid) w/ nxserver and nxclient, but i don´t know how... :/ I get a connection but i cannot do anything w/ it... |
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| 11:22.51 | dutch_ | Anybody in here use mono? I can't get the program to run graphically |
| 11:23.00 | KerPlunk | zeroC: What is nxserver? |
| 11:23.03 | dutch_ | Also, what's the command to apt-get more fonts? |
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| 11:23.09 | KerPlunk | dutch_: I bet people in #mono use mono |
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| 11:23.21 | KerPlunk | dutch_: apt-cache search fonts; apt-get install whatyouwanthere |
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| 11:23.31 | dutch_ | Thanks. |
| 11:23.39 | zeroC | KerPlunk nxserver is a graphical remote control system ( http://www.nomachine.com ) |
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| 11:24.01 | KerPlunk | zeroC: What is wrong with ssh? |
| 11:24.04 | PerfDave | zeroC: I thought nxserver was part of a caching system for VNC, X and RDP? :) |
| 11:24.08 | KerPlunk | zeroC: You don't like putty? |
| 11:24.27 | zeroC | i like putty, but it´s not graphically |
| 11:24.27 | zeroC | ^^ |
| 11:24.45 | PerfDave | KerPlunk: Using NX compression with X is much faster and more responsive than doing raw X over the network. |
| 11:25.03 | KerPlunk | zeroC: So why don't you use some free open source vnc program that supports nx? |
| 11:25.17 | zeroC | i use freenx... its in the backports |
| 11:25.18 | zeroC | ^^ |
| 11:25.28 | KerPlunk | o I see |
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| 11:25.41 | PerfDave | zeroC: Is there any reason you're following each line you write with ^^? :) |
| 11:25.51 | zeroC | PerfDave: Do you know more about the config from nxserver |
| 11:26.09 | KerPlunk | !freenx |
| 11:26.09 | dpkg | freenx is, like, a hyped remote desktop tool, like vnc. packages for sarge --deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./ packages for etch/sid --deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main |
| 11:26.28 | zeroC | PerfDave nope...its an habit |
| 11:26.36 | KerPlunk | zeroC: There are some people in #freenx also if you care. |
| 11:26.36 | zeroC | i know a bad habit ... |
| 11:26.39 | AbasCatus | hello dudes |
| 11:26.50 | pengol | is there a way in gdb to follow child flow rather than a father flow after a fork call? |
| 11:26.53 | AbasCatus | I need to configure my graphic card so I can start x |
| 11:26.57 | AbasCatus | how do I do that ? |
| 11:27.14 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: What version of debian, what version of X? |
| 11:27.28 | AbasCatus | how do i see that |
| 11:27.36 | PerfDave | !drxx AbasCatus |
| 11:27.36 | dpkg | AbasCatus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 11:27.37 | AbasCatus | I just used apt-get install kde |
| 11:27.56 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: What video card do you use? |
| 11:27.56 | PerfDave | AbasCatus: Installing KDE won't install X, install x-window-system-core |
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| 11:29.02 | AbasCatus | ok x window is installed |
| 11:29.13 | KerPlunk | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:29.56 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): it is 3.1 |
| 11:30.36 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: now type as root.. apt-get install xserver-xfree86; |
| 11:31.07 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: Then as a non-root user, type "echo startkde > ~/.xinitrc; startx" |
| 11:31.13 | liable | no, x-window-system-core |
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| 11:31.54 | PerfDave | me tends to use "apt-get install x-window-system-core kdebase kdm" |
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| 11:34.20 | ben_ | Hi! Could someone could tell ma about a good utility to check hard drive physical intégrity plz? |
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| 11:34.54 | tiny | I miss dates/times in lines from fetchmail log ... how can I add dates to those lines? |
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| 11:36.32 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): "echo startkde > ~/.xinitrc; startx" <<<< don't work |
| 11:36.46 | fireba11 | ben_ use your Hd vendors tool |
| 11:37.28 | AbasCatus | ok it work hehe |
| 11:37.39 | PerfDave | ben_: smartd |
| 11:37.40 | AbasCatus | but I can't still open x server |
| 11:37.52 | AbasCatus | I think my graphic driver is a wrong one |
| 11:37.56 | ben_ | PerfDave: thx |
| 11:38.08 | ben_ | fireba11: thx but I haven't |
| 11:38.12 | PerfDave | AbasCatus: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 11:38.19 | zeroC | i know my problem... :) my memory and cache settings are too low... :) |
| 11:38.23 | zeroC | now it runs... :) |
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| 11:39.15 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:39.20 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: What video card are you using? |
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| 11:39.41 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): it's an pci express ati |
| 11:40.05 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: choose "vesa" when you are asked to choose a driver. from the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 command. |
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| 11:40.25 | AbasCatus | oh ok I choose ati |
| 11:40.35 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: Then exit and become non-root again..then try typing startx again. |
| 11:40.46 | AbasCatus | ok I try it |
| 11:40.55 | fireba11 | ben_ download it ? it's free anyway |
| 11:41.07 | Malagmyr | How can I get hold of a .deb in the version it was a month ago? |
| 11:41.30 | Phated | snapshot.debian.net? |
| 11:41.32 | Phated | Or something. |
| 11:41.34 | Phated | !snapshot |
| 11:41.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian snapshot is http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 11:41.39 | Phated | There we go. |
| 11:41.44 | KerPlunk | lol |
| 11:41.54 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): command not found |
| 11:41.56 | Malagmyr | thx |
| 11:42.08 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: dpkg-reconfigure wasn't found? |
| 11:42.16 | AbasCatus | nope |
| 11:42.23 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: Are you root when you type this command? |
| 11:42.35 | AbasCatus | no |
| 11:42.36 | AbasCatus | hehehe |
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| 11:43.35 | lesho | AbasCatus: www.rage3d.com/articles/atilinuxhowto |
| 11:44.02 | KerPlunk | lesho: eh might be over his head at the moment. |
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| 11:44.33 | KerPlunk | besides if he isn't going to use 3d acceleration for anything there is no point. |
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| 11:44.48 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): Tells that i need to choice a packet `? |
| 11:44.54 | AbasCatus | when do this |
| 11:45.08 | AbasCatus | dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 11:45.14 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:45.15 | lesho | but it's usefull to learn how to set some more parameters |
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| 11:45.51 | KerPlunk | lesho: I agree. but he probably should invest time learning other things first |
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| 11:46.49 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: If you aren't sure about any of the answers...just leave it blank or leave it as the default...the important thing is to change the driver to vesa and not ati |
| 11:48.37 | AbasCatus | omg how many problems is there hahaha |
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| 11:48.54 | AbasCatus | now I get unable to connect to x servee |
| 11:48.57 | AbasCatus | server* |
| 11:49.14 | enigmus | is there a way of forcing any X window to be displayed in reverse-video (in the spirit of xgamma)? |
| 11:49.25 | PerfDave | AbasCatus: What command are you typing that gives you that error? Please do your best to be specific. |
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| 11:50.08 | Eclipser | why doesn't debian binutils(-dev) have /usr/include/demangle.h even though it seems that it's really supposed to be in there? |
| 11:50.30 | yang | I am interested how I could route IPv6 from gateway to my other boxes in LAN |
| 11:51.08 | AbasCatus | (yang): do you have a firewall ?= |
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| 11:53.55 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: When you type startx; as a regular user what do it say? |
| 11:54.22 | nicola | hello |
| 11:54.47 | pharm | nicola: hello |
| 11:55.10 | lesho | hmm, wtf? Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 11:55.10 | lesho | (II) Server_Terminate keybinding not found |
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| 11:55.16 | lesho | any ideas? |
| 11:55.24 | p9goBou_LLlyTHuK | wtf |
| 11:55.26 | pharm | lesho: sarge? etch? |
| 11:55.26 | p9goBou_LLlyTHuK | OO |
| 11:55.30 | p9goBou_LLlyTHuK | etch |
| 11:55.34 | lesho | pharm: sarge |
| 11:55.38 | p9goBou_LLlyTHuK | etch |
| 11:55.47 | pharm | lesho: xlibs-data installed? |
| 11:55.57 | p9goBou_LLlyTHuK | osel blat |
| 11:56.08 | lesho | yop, under root it runs, but no under normal users |
| 11:56.27 | AbasCatus | ok i say that I should restart GDM after I have reconfigured my graphic crad |
| 11:56.29 | AbasCatus | ??? |
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| 11:57.01 | jm_ | cool, he fucked off on his own |
| 11:57.02 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: You are using kde...so you probably want to use kdm instead of gdm. |
| 11:57.03 | pharm | AbasCatus: yes. |
| 11:57.05 | Eclipser | o.O |
| 11:57.07 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: apt-get install kdm |
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| 11:57.25 | liable | wtf is that when they do that? |
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| 11:58.05 | Eclipser | so anyone got an idea why there is no demangle.h in debian? (sarge at least, it should be in binutils(-dev)) |
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| 11:58.25 | lesho | liable: wtf is "what the f*ck":) |
| 11:58.26 | PerfDave | Eclipser: "should be"? |
| 11:58.28 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): done with installing kdm |
| 11:58.41 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: When you type startx as a regular user what happens? |
| 11:58.49 | AbasCatus | 2 sec |
| 11:59.07 | Eclipser | PerfDave, googling for it gives a lot of binutils stuff and it's in binutils CVS |
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| 11:59.39 | Eclipser | I'm not absolutely sure but it seems someone's program doesn't compile without it :) |
| 11:59.40 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): i get grey picture and like black as background |
| 11:59.44 | jm_ | Eclipser: it might mean it was added later |
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| 12:00.03 | Eclipser | later? CVS initial version dates back to '99 |
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| 12:00.36 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: "echo startkde > ~/.xinitrc" as a regular user, then type startx again. |
| 12:00.37 | pharm | Eclipser: what program? Most stuff *really* shouldn't need binutils-dev |
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| 12:01.37 | Eclipser | pharm, I'm not really sure, it just came up when someone asked if debian had /usr/bin/demangle.h somewhere... apt-file doesn't seem to find it and packages.debian.org is down |
| 12:02.06 | liable | Eclipser: its in libcwd-dev in sid. |
| 12:02.17 | liable | !find demangle.h |
| 12:02.25 | fernando | hi all, how to set the correct Standart-Version to package? lintian return: E: openmd source: invalid-standards-version 0.0.0.1 |
| 12:02.26 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'demangle.h' (4 of 5): (/usr/include/c++/3.4.2/ext/demangle.h) in devel/pocketpc-g++ ;; (/usr/include/libcwd/demangle.h) in non-free/libdevel/libcwd-dev ;; (/usr/lib/llvm/cfrontend/include/c++/3.4-llvm/bits/demangle.h) in devel/llvm-cfe ;; (/usr/share/doc/libcwd-doc/html/group__group__demangle.html) in non-free/doc/libcwd-doc. |
| 12:02.45 | liable | !find demangle.h sarge |
| 12:02.52 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): should something happen when i type that cmd ? |
| 12:02.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'demangle.h' (3): (/usr/include/c++/3.4.2/ext/demangle.h) in devel/pocketpc-g++ ;; (/usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.2/include/c++/ext/demangle.h) in devel/mingw32 ;; (/usr/share/doc/autoconf-archive/htmldoc/ax_cxx_gcc_abi_demangle.html) in devel/autoconf-archive. |
| 12:03.03 | Eclipser | yeh those I found |
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| 12:05.11 | don | VCD Autoring software for debian |
| 12:05.27 | don | ? |
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| 12:06.50 | PerfDave | don: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:07.08 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 12:07.30 | lesho | had anyone my problems with starting X? |
| 12:07.52 | jes-o-mat | I'd like to close on of the xlibs-dev bugs, but I've never done an NMU before. May somebody help me? All neccessary changes on the package I've already done |
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| 12:08.44 | ChristianP | hi all |
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| 12:09.03 | ChristianP | doing apt-get update, it gets this error: W: GPG error: http://debian.fastweb.it unstable Release: Impossibile eseguire /usr/bin/gpgv per verificare la firma (gnugp è installato?) |
| 12:09.14 | PerfDave | ChristianP: /topic |
| 12:09.26 | ChristianP | PerfDave, ??? |
| 12:09.29 | liable | jes-o-mat: email debian-mentors@lists.debian.org |
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| 12:09.48 | PerfDave | ChristianP: Read the topic of the IRC channel, it will tell you waht you need to know. |
| 12:09.57 | PerfDave | lesho: Why don't you explain slowly and carefully what your problem is? Perhaps refer to "/msg dpkg smart questions". |
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| 12:10.51 | ChristianP | apt-cache search gpgv and apt-cache search gnugp doesn't find nothing. What have i to install? |
| 12:11.05 | jm_ | apt-cache doesn't search for filenames |
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| 12:11.40 | lesho | okey, i'd like to startx as normal user. it crashes with error like this: "Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap." when i log as root, server runs |
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| 12:11.51 | ChristianP | jm_, and what'smthe package name? |
| 12:11.53 | jm_ | that's not a fatal error |
| 12:12.00 | jm_ | ChristianP: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:12.03 | PerfDave | ChristianP: Looks like a typo in the Italian (?) translation, it should be "gnupg" npt "gnugp". |
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| 12:13.09 | ChristianP | ok, PerfDave thanks, this whas the mistake |
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| 12:13.42 | yang | Has anyone IPv6 on debian? |
| 12:13.59 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): ???? |
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| 12:14.13 | PerfDave | ChristianP: File a bug against the apt-get package for the Italian translation perhaps? |
| 12:14.47 | ChristianP | PerfDave, ok |
| 12:15.39 | pharm | ChristianP: gnupg not gnugp IIRC |
| 12:15.41 | cusco | hi...is there a apache log reader, that shows the ip who visited what and at what times? |
| 12:15.57 | tarzeau | cusco: webalizer |
| 12:15.58 | yang | cusco: webalizer |
| 12:16.00 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: What happens when you type startx now? |
| 12:16.08 | AbasCatus | the same |
| 12:16.10 | ChristianP | done, thanks, pharm |
| 12:16.12 | tarzeau | yang: yes |
| 12:16.12 | liable | cusco: also awstats |
| 12:16.20 | cusco | tarzeau: yang I don't seem to see the complete ip's on webalizer |
| 12:16.22 | pharm | jes-o-mat: NMUing a bit of X sounds hairy. Can't you liase with the guys on the debian-x mailing list? |
| 12:16.31 | cusco | just the end of the ip's |
| 12:16.47 | yang | tarzeau: I am unable to find a decent manual that deals with /etc/network/interfaces, about routing IPv6 to LAN... |
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| 12:17.23 | yang | tarzeau: I am getting IPv6 properly from the tunnel broker, but how do I route it to my LAN boxes? |
| 12:17.27 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: try rebooting |
| 12:17.54 | cusco | actually it doesn't show any ip at all |
| 12:17.58 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): I did but still the same |
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| 12:18.05 | lesho | AbasCatus: have correct monitor settings(resolution, etc...)? |
| 12:18.10 | antgel | in bind, can't look up mx for a subdomain that i just created (lists.def.org.uk). see http://pastebin.ca/37061 |
| 12:18.13 | abrocadabro | AbasCatus: what was your problem? |
| 12:18.15 | antgel | any advice appreciated |
| 12:18.18 | jomo39292 | does anybody know how to access rest of network using kde? |
| 12:18.20 | yang | cusco: there is a section for all IPs and files transfered in webalizer |
| 12:18.25 | tarzeau | yang: i have no idea, isn't there #debian-ipv6 ? |
| 12:18.32 | KerPlunk | AbasCatus: Does kdm come up when you boot? |
| 12:18.32 | pharm | yang: err. Does your internal LAN interface have an IPv6 address? |
| 12:18.34 | yang | tarzeau: that is a dead channel |
| 12:18.36 | fireba11 | jomo39292 ? |
| 12:18.38 | tarzeau | jomo39292: #debian-kde ? |
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| 12:18.39 | AbasCatus | (abrocadabro): can't start x |
| 12:18.41 | tarzeau | yang: pity |
| 12:18.43 | yang | pharm: yes |
| 12:18.58 | pharm | yang: what does route say? |
| 12:19.04 | cusco | where yang ? |
| 12:19.05 | AbasCatus | (KerPlunk): Yeah, it says that I am not using gdm but kdm |
| 12:19.07 | abrocadabro | AbasCatus: what was the error message? |
| 12:19.26 | antgel | tarzeau: happy new year! ;) |
| 12:19.26 | AbasCatus | (abrocadabro): give me a sec |
| 12:19.38 | jomo39292 | thanks |
| 12:19.40 | yang | pharm: I am missing this section, about routing /64 from my gateway to LAN, don't know what to write in interfaces |
| 12:19.41 | tarzeau | antgel: hey thanks alot! i wish you a happy new year as well |
| 12:19.52 | jes-o-mat | yang: have you enabled ip6 forwarding? |
| 12:20.12 | antgel | tarzeau: now fix my issue! ^^^ :P |
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| 12:20.39 | pharm | yang: jes-o-mat: Yeah, that was my next question :) /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/forwarding should be set to 1 |
| 12:20.52 | AbasCatus | (abrocadabro): datal io error 104 (connection reset by peer) on x server |
| 12:20.54 | tarzeau | antgel: heh :) |
| 12:20.59 | AbasCatus | fatal* |
| 12:21.18 | lesho | q |
| 12:21.24 | jes-o-mat | yang: first question: how will you confugre your "lan"? stateful, stateless or static? |
| 12:21.26 | pharm | yang: http://people.debian.org/~csmall/ipv6/setup.html of any help? |
| 12:21.29 | abrocadabro | AbasCatus: what was the bit you said you were using kdm not gdm? |
| 12:21.44 | yang | jes-o-mat: static |
| 12:21.57 | AbasCatus | (abrocadabro): yeah I changed from gdm to kdm |
| 12:22.21 | jes-o-mat | have you configured all hosts to use your router? |
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| 12:22.55 | abrocadabro | AbasCatus: what does the log say in /var/log/Xorg? |
| 12:22.58 | jes-o-mat | check with ip -6 route |
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| 12:23.05 | yang | jes-o-mat: no i havent managed to...Do I use the same config on my LAN box, which I used for tunnel broker on my gateway? |
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| 12:23.31 | jes-o-mat | yang: qry? |
| 12:23.42 | yang | what |
| 12:23.44 | jes-o-mat | as it is too noisy in here =) |
| 12:23.52 | jes-o-mat | query to solve your problem |
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| 12:23.55 | yang | ok |
| 12:23.59 | AbasCatus | (abrocadabro): I don't have that xorg |
| 12:24.01 | jes-o-mat | urk |
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| 12:24.09 | jes-o-mat | I'm not authed :/ |
| 12:24.10 | AbasCatus | only xfree86 |
| 12:24.24 | jes-o-mat | just join #82110 there is nobody |
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| 12:25.07 | AbasCatus | only xfree86.0.log |
| 12:25.11 | abrocadabro | AbasCatus: okay, tail -n 100 xfree86(whatever) |more to see if there is another error messages |
| 12:25.28 | abrocadabro | other* |
| 12:25.40 | AbasCatus | xfree86.0.old-log |
| 12:25.42 | jes-o-mat | yang: I cannot send private messages as I'm not authed |
| 12:26.12 | yang | jes-o-mat: oh |
| 12:26.31 | abrocadabro | AbasCatus get the most recent one, not the old one |
| 12:26.35 | noid | how can I find what package installs libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 if it's not installed yet? |
| 12:27.01 | yang | jes-o-mat: join #debian-ipv6 |
| 12:27.02 | abrocadabro | noid: apt-get install apt-file |
| 12:27.57 | noid | abrocadabro: nice, thanks |
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| 12:28.12 | abrocadabro | noid: np |
| 12:28.33 | AbasCatus | (abrocadabro): what you need from the log ? |
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| 12:29.29 | abrocadabro | AbasCatus: all I was trying to say is you might be able to find more specific details instead of only fatal IO error |
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| 12:30.56 | s9ik3 | hi hall |
| 12:31.18 | s9ik3 | qualcuno parla italiano? |
| 12:31.39 | bbrazil | !it |
| 12:31.39 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 12:32.40 | s9ik3 | bbrazil, can you help me? |
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| 12:39.04 | blondie | o.o |
| 12:39.20 | sime_ | I think I found a bug in Debian Etch openoffice.org 2.0-whatever. Open a new writer document, File > Save As > Select type as DocBook .xml attempt to save (with a filename) and you should (guessing) get a general IO error |
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| 12:44.01 | pharm | sime_: WFM. (in sid) |
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| 12:44.55 | pureone | is it possible that a apt-get upgrade would change the iptables set up ? |
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| 12:45.31 | valdyn_ | pureone: sure |
| 12:45.37 | EtherNet | hello everybody, I am looking for 1.44Mb diskette for installing Debian! drivers, boot, etc.. I am gonna install it through network, in a no CD machine. |
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| 12:45.58 | pureone | hmmm ok, well last night i checked iptables --list and there was a ton of new rules that i never added |
| 12:46.00 | ongeboren | is this normal? $ ps axu | grep gnome-pty-helper | wc -l |
| 12:46.00 | ongeboren | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.03 | tarzeau | i created an enterprise star trek ship from my last 1.44Mb diskette |
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| 12:46.26 | pureone | the only thing i can think that did it was a apt-get upgrade |
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| 12:46.36 | tarzeau | !starship |
| 12:46.42 | tarzeau | dpkg starship is http://asciipr0n.com/archive/0013/bonnie/craft/ |
| 12:46.42 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
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| 12:46.44 | pureone | but i checked /var/log/dpkg.log and theres no mention of iptables in there :| |
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| 12:46.48 | valdyn_ | pureone: you are doing automatic and unattended apt-get upgrade ? |
| 12:46.50 | pharm | pureone: do the new rules look suspicious ? |
| 12:47.01 | pureone | valdyn_, no i watched it |
| 12:47.26 | valdyn_ | pureone: there's plenty firewall packages, but you had to install it explicitely so you should know it when its being upgraded |
| 12:47.29 | pharm | pureone: if your iptables rules are added in a startup script, it may have been run again... |
| 12:47.37 | djp | i was given the command 'perl -MCPAN -e shell' to run in order to update/install? perl, so i could run a script that fixes an issue with my adsl modem. however i cannot remember what i am meant to type at the perl prompt? can anyone advise? |
| 12:47.40 | pharm | pureone: which can add another set of the same rules. |
| 12:47.58 | pharm | djp: ! |
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| 12:48.33 | pharm | djp: why do you need to update perl? |
| 12:48.52 | pharm | djp. Just look at the script & install the relevant debian perl packages (in an ideal world). |
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| 12:49.24 | pharm | djp: better to work out what the script is doing and do it yourself frankly. I wouldn't trust an ISP-written perl script as far as I could throw it. |
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| 12:50.03 | djp | pharm can i show you the script? |
| 12:50.17 | pureone | ok these are the changed rules http://pastebin.com/509741 and this is the rules i set up http://pastebin.com/509744 |
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| 12:50.38 | stagger | Hi there! I have one question. How can I allow a user ( not superuser) to shotdown and reboot the computer. I tried to make "chmod u+x halt" and "chmod u+x reboot", but it doesn't helped. |
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| 12:51.00 | tarzeau | stagger: i'd hand the user a shotgun |
| 12:51.02 | simy | can sombody help me with google search term ideas, im looking to find information on how to allow exim4 to forward email for the servers users via smtp (like normal people do, i guess, lol) and i dont even knwo what search terms to search for :( |
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| 12:51.07 | AbasCatus | How can i install a new version of kde |
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| 12:51.12 | tarzeau | stagger: really, configure sudo |
| 12:51.16 | tarzeau | AbasCatus: #debian-kde |
| 12:51.18 | AbasCatus | apt-get install ??????? |
| 12:51.25 | Zugschlus | simy: please refer to the exim FAQ |
| 12:51.37 | djp | pharm, is there anywhere i can post the script? is it #flood? |
| 12:51.38 | EtherNet | hello everybody, I am looking for 1.44Mb diskette for installing Debian! drivers, boot, etc.. I am gonna install it through network, in a no CD machine. |
| 12:51.42 | simy | Zugschlus: k thanks |
| 12:51.47 | simy | EtherNet: goto debian.org |
| 12:51.48 | tarzeau | EtherNet: you mean a floppy image? |
| 12:52.15 | EtherNet | tarzeau, yeah, there are 4 diskettes aproximately.. where it has the network card drivers, boot, etc |
| 12:52.16 | simy | EtherNet: and read the how to install, or somthing like that, it tells you how to put it on a floppy, and where to get the image from in the manual it has there |
| 12:52.36 | tarzeau | EtherNet: what network card is it? |
| 12:52.49 | tarzeau | EtherNet: really get a cd-rom drive or make a netboot/netinstall |
| 12:52.55 | tarzeau | EtherNet: floppies are good for starships |
| 12:53.12 | EtherNet | tarzeau, 3com509b or kinda |
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| 12:54.07 | EtherNet | simonp, simonp http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst.en.html |
| 12:54.10 | EtherNet | check out that site |
| 12:54.24 | tarzeau | EtherNet: isa? |
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| 12:54.34 | EtherNet | tarzeau, yeah |
| 12:54.36 | tarzeau | EtherNet: sure it's not a 3c95x? |
| 12:54.48 | EtherNet | tarzeau, wait |
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| 12:55.04 | simy | Zugschlus: what is it called when it forwards the email, like if im user@domain.com and i send it to you@yahoo.com but im not at the server, thats what im talking about, i know theres a term for it, i just dont know it:( |
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| 12:55.15 | psyco-obiwan | hi, is there a traceroute (ipv6) for debian ? |
| 12:55.16 | tarzeau | can all starfishes be eaten? |
| 12:55.23 | EtherNet | tarzeau, 3c909b I checked out |
| 12:55.35 | tarzeau | EtherNet: cool, i've got two of those in my 486 too |
| 12:55.42 | djp | can anybody help me with a perl script under debian? |
| 12:55.42 | tarzeau | EtherNet: really, what do you want to do with that ? |
| 12:55.59 | pureone | psyco-obiwan, i belive so i forget what its called tho |
| 12:56.07 | tarzeau | djp: nobody can read the question from your mind? |
| 12:56.07 | EtherNet | tarzeau, I need to install a debian box for firewalling... it has no CDROM so I have to install by using diskettes, a network installation |
| 12:56.16 | EtherNet | tarzeau, time ago it was easy to find the images.. now I can't find them |
| 12:56.26 | lodder | hello |
| 12:56.27 | psyco-obiwan | pureone: maybe tracepath ? |
| 12:56.29 | tarzeau | EtherNet: they're at teh same place like since ever |
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| 12:56.36 | EtherNet | tarzeau, any example? |
| 12:56.39 | pureone | maybe, been a while since i played with ipv6 |
| 12:56.39 | tarzeau | !d-i |
| 12:56.40 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 12:56.40 | valdyn | pureone: your 'selfmade' rules sure do look stupid |
| 12:57.02 | lodder | i have a usb wifi dongle and i don't know how to actived it in debian can anybody help me set it upp |
| 12:57.06 | pureone | valdyn yeah im not a expert at iptables just yet... |
| 12:57.19 | pharm | lodder: what does lsusb say after you've plugged it in? |
| 12:57.30 | simy | can sombody tell me what this is called, when you use somthing like kmail, to send an email your sending to your server to be sent to its final destination |
| 12:57.31 | EtherNet | tarzeau, but.. they are CD images .iso! |
| 12:57.33 | valdyn | pureone: you're ACCEPTING everything first ( which will take precdence anyway ), over ACCEPTING special things later |
| 12:57.36 | pharm | lodder: (I don't give you good odds on it working unfortunately._ |
| 12:57.41 | tarzeau | EtherNet: no floppies? |
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| 12:57.49 | EtherNet | tarzeau, no floppies |
| 12:57.49 | lodder | pharm: lsusb has found it |
| 12:57.52 | psyco-obiwan | pureone: yeah, it seems to be part of iputils-tracepath...how would i have found that ? apt-file ? |
| 12:58.03 | pharm | lodder: yeeeeessss. What does it *say*? |
| 12:58.11 | EtherNet | tarzeau, wait found it |
| 12:58.15 | pureone | apt-cache search |
| 12:58.34 | psyco-obiwan | nope, brings up nothin tried that a hundred times :-) |
| 12:58.38 | pureone | valdyn ok ill fix up my rules later... but first i need to figure out what changed my rules |
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| 12:58.49 | lodder | pharm: Bus 005 Device 002: ID 2001:3c00 D-Link Corp. [hex] DWL-G122 802.11g rev. B1 [ralink] |
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| 12:59.07 | djp | tarzeau, my problem is that the following script will not run with my default debian install, http://pastebin.com/509751 |
| 12:59.58 | djp | tarzeau, i have to run perl -mcpan -e shell and then type a command at the promt (which i cannot remember) in order to get it working. however pharm has said i should not need to do that... |
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| 13:00.24 | tarzeau | djp: oh that's perl. no idea |
| 13:01.03 | PerfDave | djp: CPAN is used to install Perl modules from the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network. You shouldn't use it on a Debian system. |
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| 13:01.52 | PerfDave | djp: You need the Expect.pm module for that script (because of the "use Expect;" at line 9); this is packaged for Debian as libexpect-perl |
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| 13:02.12 | jelly | Hm, my exim4 provided /usr/sbin/sendmail link has stopped accepting messages. http://pastebin.com/509755 |
| 13:02.15 | weenix | i don't want to install openoffice. should i apt-get install gnome-core? |
| 13:02.29 | fluor- | hi there - since I upgraded to firefox 1.5 (sid), `firefox -remote "openURL($url,new-tab)" doesn't work anymore - did someone else experience a similar behaviour? |
| 13:02.31 | djp | PerfDave, oh, so all i need to do is install that package and everything will work? |
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| 13:02.53 | PerfDave | djp: I don't know about everything working, but installing that package will satisfy the module dependency in the script :) |
| 13:03.02 | pharm | djp: Should be. Unless your router ip isn't 192.168.1.1 in which case it won't... |
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| 13:03.13 | simy | jelly: maybe yould know (seeing as you just mentiond exim4) whats it called when you use kmail to send an email via your server (i need to figure how to allow only a users email to be sent via the server) and i dont know what search terms to google, am looking at exim4 FAQ but im not having any luck |
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| 13:03.42 | pharm | djp: looks like your router is running linux by the way :) |
| 13:03.44 | djp | thanks PerfDave and pharm |
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| 13:03.59 | stagger | could you give me some very short instructions how to configure suid to allow normal user to halt the computer? |
| 13:04.09 | adivoinea | hello, any idea why apt-get update gives me this error: W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian.org testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 010908312D230C5F ? |
| 13:04.14 | PerfDave | adivoinea: /topic |
| 13:04.29 | adivoinea | PerfDave: thanks :D |
| 13:04.30 | jelly | simy: I don't know much about exim, but the feature you're looking for might be "SMTP AUTH". |
| 13:04.32 | EdLin | I'm having a problem with a newly installed texdoc with sid. It says "Couldn't open system-wide default config file texdocrc" then gives a segmentation fault. |
| 13:04.33 | pharm | adivoinea: you need to update your debian package signing keys. |
| 13:04.37 | weenix | adivoinea: download a new pubkey |
| 13:04.42 | EdLin | er, make that texdoctk |
| 13:04.44 | PerfDave | EdLin: Did you check the BTS? |
| 13:05.02 | EdLin | PerfDave: I checked google. I guess I should check the BTS too |
| 13:05.03 | simy | jelly: thanks, ill look that up (i can generally find out what i need to know, hell ive gone so far in 6 months, but sometimes i dont knwo what somthings called, lol) |
| 13:05.10 | pharm | adivoinea: "wget http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc ; apt-key add ziyi_key_2006.asc ; apt-get update" |
| 13:05.18 | pharm | adivoinea: and hope that no-one's poisoned your DNS :) |
| 13:05.43 | adivoinea | pharm: lol, it's highly unlikely... thanks a lot :D |
| 13:05.52 | simy | jelly: looks like you were right, thanks again |
| 13:05.55 | lodder | pharm: can you help me |
| 13:05.57 | jelly | np |
| 13:06.20 | pharm | lodder: ? |
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| 13:06.27 | stagger | How can I allow normal user to halt the computer? Please, help me... |
| 13:06.35 | vulture | stagger: sudo |
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| 13:06.52 | stagger | vulture: I know.... but how can I configure sudo?? |
| 13:07.04 | jm_ | stagger: man shutdown |
| 13:07.09 | vulture | stagger: by editing the sudoers file? |
| 13:07.14 | weenix | exit |
| 13:07.20 | stagger | whereis that file??? |
| 13:07.59 | stagger | ohh i've got ... nevermind |
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| 13:09.01 | EdLin | PerfDave: its not in the BTS as listed by reportbug |
| 13:09.08 | stagger | vulture: but what should I type in that file??? I know tthat it is stupid question but I don't have much time... |
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| 13:09.51 | PerfDave | EdLin: So report it? :) |
| 13:10.19 | PerfDave | stagger: Sorftware like KDE and Gnome will allow normal users to shut down a machine |
| 13:10.19 | tarzeau | lindenle: alright? |
| 13:10.25 | tarzeau | litage: what was your problem again? |
| 13:10.26 | EdLin | PerfDave: OK. :-) |
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| 13:10.42 | tarzeau | jm_: really, isn't shotdown more funny? |
| 13:10.52 | tarzeau | !seen abrotman |
| 13:10.53 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 8h 59m 55s ago, saying: 'deborphan or debfoster'. |
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| 13:11.08 | stagger | PerfDave: in Debian Sarge XFCE4 doesnt allow me for halting :-( |
| 13:11.29 | PerfDave | stagger: Use KDE *g* |
| 13:11.57 | stagger | PerfDave: but is it hurd to configure that sudo? |
| 13:12.08 | tarzeau | stagger: you want Hurd? |
| 13:12.12 | PerfDave | stagger: What's GNU/HURD got to do with this? ;) |
| 13:12.20 | lodder | pharm: with my usb dongle |
| 13:12.22 | tarzeau | PerfDave: he's making funny typos |
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| 13:12.36 | PerfDave | stagger: I've never needed to configure sudo, I use KDE so I don't have to edit config files to have things work nicely. |
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| 13:12.52 | tarzeau | stagger: no it's really easy, i'd give you my example if my host wasn't down |
| 13:12.53 | gypsymauro | hi |
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| 13:13.01 | stagger | I just want to turn off my computer! People, help me, please! |
| 13:13.04 | resiak | stagger: Hang on |
| 13:13.08 | jm_ | man shutdown |
| 13:13.12 | tarzeau | stagger: remove the power cable |
| 13:13.12 | jm_ | for the last time |
| 13:13.13 | gypsymauro | how I can see which package contains a specific file? (not installed) |
| 13:13.21 | jm_ | gypsymauro: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:13.22 | PerfDave | gypsymauro: apt-file |
| 13:13.23 | AbasCatus | init 0 |
| 13:13.24 | tarzeau | jm_: he dusnt onderstend |
| 13:13.31 | jm_ | tarzeau: he doesn't read ... |
| 13:13.43 | tarzeau | jm_: maybe his irc client is write only? |
| 13:13.44 | resiak | stagger: Have you read man xfce4-shutdown? |
| 13:13.46 | stagger | tarzeau: hehe... any other ideas? |
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| 13:13.59 | tarzeau | stagger: no really remove the power cable |
| 13:14.15 | jrei | hi |
| 13:14.15 | Shadowcat | stagger: we're not going to spoon feed you here |
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| 13:14.20 | rixth | How can I find out where my CD writer is attached? |
| 13:14.23 | rixth | /dev/X? |
| 13:14.24 | jrei | can anyone tell me why demangle.h is not included in binutils-dev |
| 13:14.28 | resiak | stagger: Have you read man xfce4-shutdown? |
| 13:14.32 | jm_ | tarzeau: that would be quality par excelance |
| 13:14.38 | Shadowcat | stagger: if you don't read the documentation we tell you to read, pretty soon no one will help you |
| 13:14.42 | stagger | resiak: no, but will it help? |
| 13:14.49 | tarzeau | jm_: i'd prefer to give them readonly irc clients instead |
| 13:14.50 | resiak | stagger: Yes, because it TELLS YOU WHAT TO DO |
| 13:14.52 | Shadowcat | stagger: READ what I jsut said |
| 13:14.55 | Shadowcat | just* |
| 13:15.06 | jm_ | tarzeau: no doubt most of us would prefer that too |
| 13:15.10 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i can give you a spoon if you want |
| 13:15.16 | PerfDave | stagger: Why would resiak suggest that you read documentation if it won't help you with your project? There's only one way to find out whether it's useful :) |
| 13:15.20 | resiak | stagger: because I clearly am going to tell you to read stuff for NO APPARENT REASON! |
| 13:15.37 | rixth | Please? |
| 13:15.41 | tarzeau | rixth: scsi_inquiry? |
| 13:15.45 | rixth | I'll try it |
| 13:15.48 | gypsymauro | tanx jm_ PerfDave |
| 13:15.59 | rixth | I only have scsi_id |
| 13:16.01 | stagger | ok, ok, I understand... |
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| 13:16.51 | ale_ryu | hey guys |
| 13:17.03 | ale_ryu | I have this huge problem with alsa you know |
| 13:17.06 | tarzeau | !cloud |
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| 13:17.13 | tarzeau | dpkg cloud is http://phated.kicks-ass.net:8084/debian.html |
| 13:17.13 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 13:17.17 | ale_ryu | everytime I reboot I have to run alsaconf |
| 13:17.22 | ale_ryu | I've tried everything |
| 13:17.51 | ale_ryu | I've done dpkg-reconfigure with all the major sound packages |
| 13:17.58 | ale_ryu | tried alsactl store |
| 13:18.06 | ale_ryu | even tried removing oss |
| 13:18.21 | ale_ryu | but I can't solve it! |
| 13:18.25 | ale_ryu | any ideas? |
| 13:18.55 | ale_ryu | this problem was originated when I manually installed kernel 2.6.12 using dpkg |
| 13:19.25 | rixth | All I want to do is burn an ISO |
| 13:19.36 | Shadowcat | !tell ale_ryu about scroll |
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| 13:20.15 | Shadowcat | !tell ale_ryu about enter |
| 13:20.44 | cusco | how can I see from what package is comand xxx from? |
| 13:20.49 | ale_ryu | oops, sorry :-S |
| 13:20.54 | tarzeau | cusco: dpkg -S /the/file |
| 13:21.01 | cusco | ty |
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| 13:21.55 | tarzeau | hi S4nD3r |
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| 13:22.02 | tarzeau | hello wdondek |
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| 13:22.21 | tarzeau | hi BadOxygen |
| 13:22.23 | wdondek | hi |
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| 13:22.28 | tarzeau | hi phaedrus_ |
| 13:22.33 | BadOxygen | tach |
| 13:22.57 | S4nD3r | how do I install my sound card ?? |
| 13:23.01 | tarzeau | S4nD3r: pci? |
| 13:23.09 | tarzeau | !sound |
| 13:23.09 | dpkg | hmm... sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 13:23.17 | S4nD3r | yes |
| 13:23.36 | tarzeau | gunebakan: gecehorluyan? |
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| 13:24.07 | gunebakan | tarzeau: hayir |
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| 13:26.58 | Phated | tarzeau: OY, FUCK YOU. |
| 13:27.27 | azeem | uhm |
| 13:27.33 | Phated | !forget cloud |
| 13:27.33 | dpkg | i forgot cloud, Phated |
| 13:28.15 | Phated | tarzeau: There's a REASON I don't have that URL in #debian's topic.It is MY PERSONAL MACHINE. I do NOT have infinite bandwidth. |
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| 13:32.22 | Shadowcat | Phated: it's been logged anyway |
| 13:32.23 | Shadowcat | >:) |
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| 13:32.47 | Phated | Shadowcat: Fuck you, too. |
| 13:32.57 | Shadowcat | !beat Phated |
| 13:33.09 | azeem | gentlemen, please calm down |
| 13:33.26 | S4nD3r | Ive got go to try to installmy sound card |
| 13:33.33 | antgel | naw, just wash her mouth out with soap and water :) |
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| 13:33.57 | S4nD3r | module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa-modules This didnt work |
| 13:34.00 | Sweetshark | http://Fight2survive.joconcept.de |
| 13:34.00 | jm_ | Phated: yeah, you're not behaving like a gentleman!! *g* |
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| 13:34.23 | Phated | jm_: Youshut up. |
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| 13:35.10 | S4nD3r | another way to install ? |
| 13:35.32 | S4nD3r | module-assistant && m-a a-i alsa-modules This didnt work |
| 13:35.56 | azeem | S4nD3r: are you running 2.4 or 2.6? |
| 13:36.44 | S4nD3r | 2.4 |
| 13:36.45 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:36.56 | jm_ | install alsa-modules package for it |
| 13:37.19 | S4nD3r | I did |
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| 13:37.41 | jm_ | why are you messing with m-a then? |
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| 13:38.46 | S4nD3r | I will install kernel 2.6 |
| 13:38.51 | S4nD3r | maybe that works on my soundcard |
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| 13:39.41 | S4nD3r | is there anyway to discover which is my sound card using linux software? |
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| 13:40.02 | jm_ | lspci |
| 13:40.22 | jm_ | cat /proc/asound/card after the modules are loaded |
| 13:40.27 | jm_ | cards even |
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| 13:42.03 | sa | ola |
| 13:42.16 | S4nD3r | 0000:02:0c.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97] (rev 09) |
| 13:42.18 | fnordmdb | hi. i've got a problem with snort... it sends me a daily report every day. that's good, but the problem is, that this report grows and grows day for day. is there a way to prevent this log from growing? i think this is a waste of traffic to send every snort "alert" which happened since the server started... any ideas? |
| 13:43.02 | jm_ | you need snd-ens1371 module |
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| 13:46.27 | S4nD3r | jm_, where do I find this module |
| 13:46.32 | S4nD3r | apt-get didnt find |
| 13:46.50 | dimir | modprobe it! |
| 13:47.08 | jm_ | S4nD3r: install alsa-modules package for your 2.4 kernel, it comes with 2.6 - just run modprobe snd-ens1371 and add it to /etc/modules, also /msg dpkg search |
| 13:47.12 | dimir | That is, if you use alsa. |
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| 13:48.36 | S4nD3r | module not located |
| 13:49.30 | muep | is there a way to get a list of all installed packages? |
| 13:49.30 | jm_ | then you didn't install alsa modules for your kernel |
| 13:49.30 | tarzeau | muep: sure, dpkg -l |
| 13:49.30 | jm_ | muep: what do you think? |
| 13:49.30 | muep | tarzeau: thanks |
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| 13:50.58 | S4nD3r | apt-get install alsa alsa-modules-2.4-686 - I will try this |
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| 13:51.06 | S4nD3r | maybe this make sens |
| 13:51.17 | S4nD3r | and really works |
| 13:51.51 | jm_ | apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 13:52.00 | jelly | My /usr/sbin/sendmail won't work! It complains about having to call it from a MUA, not from command line. Well it doesn't work from mutt either... running exim4-daemon-light, unstable, and am really puzzled. http://pastebin.com/509755 |
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| 13:54.19 | Eclipser | liable, PerfDave, about the demangle.h thing: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=134985 |
| 13:54.31 | Eclipser | funny that such a thing hasn't been fixed |
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| 13:56.17 | S4nD3r | which is the best kernel to install in my machine ?? |
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| 13:56.40 | S4nD3r | Nowadays I use 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 13:56.47 | S4nD3r | I want to update this one to 2.6 |
| 13:57.27 | S4nD3r | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 This one ??? |
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| 13:59.00 | S4nD3r | I have Pentium III |
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| 14:00.01 | chealer_ | !tell S4nD3r about 686 |
| 14:00.23 | S4nD3r | ok then |
| 14:00.28 | S4nD3r | I have PIII |
| 14:00.32 | pharm | S4nD3r: -686 is best for you. Install libc6-i686 while you're at it. |
| 14:00.40 | S4nD3r | Which should I install image or headers?? |
| 14:00.46 | pharm | S4nD3r: image |
| 14:01.15 | S4nD3r | install libc6 before to install the kernel ?? |
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| 14:02.05 | pharm | S4nD3r: doesn't matter |
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| 14:04.52 | S4nD3r | thanks for all !!! |
| 14:04.58 | S4nD3r | Allof you are so fantastic!!! |
| 14:05.09 | S4nD3r | see you |
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| 14:05.43 | cyc | re |
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| 14:06.27 | cupid | hello |
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| 14:07.42 | cyc | how to use/configure ipopd package in sarge ... I've read that md5.txt in the docs, but I still don't know what to do, I get "-ERR Unknown AUTHORIZATION state command" ..? |
| 14:08.26 | unlearn | how i make a rescuse disk? |
| 14:08.38 | unlearn | rescue cdrom? |
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| 14:09.13 | pharm | unlearn: ordinary debian CD set will serve as rescue CDROM if you just need a shell to repair things from. |
| 14:09.15 | jm_ | unlearn: use something already made or bootcd |
| 14:09.26 | unlearn | k |
| 14:09.43 | pharm | unlearn: Take a businesscard CD image & type rescue at the prompt IIRC. |
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| 14:10.03 | unlearn | k thnx |
| 14:10.04 | pharm | unlearn: (having burnt the image to CD & booted from it first) |
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| 14:10.13 | unlearn | k |
| 14:10.39 | jm_ | !grmbl |
| 14:10.39 | dpkg | somebody said grmbl was some belgian linux company |
| 14:10.45 | jm_ | damn |
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| 14:12.07 | pharm | jm_: ? |
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| 14:12.25 | jm_ | !grml |
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| 14:12.50 | jm_ | !grml is a Live Linux CD for sysadmins, http://grml.org/ |
| 14:12.51 | dpkg | okay, jm_ |
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| 14:13.46 | diox | windows to the pownage :p |
| 14:14.33 | lodder_ | eepz |
| 14:14.40 | diox | jiet |
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| 14:15.12 | cyc | noone does use the uw pop anymore, he? ;) |
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| 14:15.35 | phogg_ | when doing dpkg -l how do I make it *not* truncate the package names? I thought setting COLUMNS to a high value might, but it doesn't. |
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| 14:16.26 | horror_vacui | I have a "pentium D" machine here... Do I need an ia64 or a normal i386 netinstaller? |
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| 14:17.41 | nanomad | horror_vacui, no...you need amd64 |
| 14:17.47 | basix | hi people. i have fedora installed on my laptop. i wish to install debian. the problem is that the system doesn't have a spare drive where i can back up my stuff and the /home directory is not on a separate partition. Is there some way of installing debian sarge without deleting my /home folder's contents??? |
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| 14:18.03 | nanomad | horror_vacui, ia64 is for itanium, total different situation |
| 14:18.23 | jm_ | phogg: COLUMNS=200 ... |
| 14:18.25 | horror_vacui | nanomad: Ah, sorry, you're right, I really wanted to join #smartass-clowns, but landed here instead... |
| 14:18.36 | beardy | basix: Backup is necessary anyway, so do that first if you aren't doing it already. |
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| 14:18.51 | horror_vacui | nanomad: Oh. So the pentium d is just a i386 dual-core, right? |
| 14:18.55 | nanomad | basix, just tar the dir |
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| 14:19.10 | basix | beardy, ok i will. but can i install sarge without erasing my existing partition?? |
| 14:19.18 | nanomad | horror_vacui, dunno, some has also 64bit extensions... |
| 14:19.45 | horror_vacui | nanomad: Ok, thanks. I'll go with the i386... |
| 14:20.09 | nanomad | basix, qtparted and resize it...or try the installer, can't remeber if it can resize |
| 14:20.54 | basix | nanomad, resize?? i dont want to resize my partition. i just want debian from erasing the contents of the /home folder which happens to be on the same partition as / |
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| 14:21.01 | beardy | basix: I'm not sure. Perhaps you can just delete everything but the /home, and then install, and _don't_ create a new filesystem, or reinitialise the current. But I say it again, make a backup of your /home _now_. It might not work at all to install like that. |
| 14:21.13 | nanomad | basix, lol...sorry |
| 14:21.19 | basix | beardy, hmmm ok |
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| 14:23.13 | cr3 | is there a way to mount a FAT32 filesystem so that files created are upper cased? currently, if I create a file called "FOOBAR", it is actually renamed to "foobar", whereas I would like the opposite behavior. |
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| 14:23.41 | gcanosa | hello |
| 14:23.54 | gcanosa | why does SAMBA disconnects and reconnects my connection hard disks, etc... |
| 14:23.58 | phogg_ | jm_, COLUMNS=200 still truncates package names |
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| 14:24.58 | pharm | cr3: I think the "shortname=win95" will do what you want. See the VFAT section in the mount manpage |
| 14:25.08 | jm_ | phogg_: how did you run it? |
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| 14:25.50 | phogg_ | jm_: Run which? COLUMNS=200 then dpkg -l (no effect) |
| 14:26.05 | phogg_ | jm_: also, tried export COLUMNS=200, also no help |
| 14:26.12 | jm_ | phogg_: no, "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" |
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| 14:26.48 | phogg_ | jm_: That does it. Knew I was forgetting something. But why doesn't dpkg look at the env variable? |
| 14:26.53 | Alakazam | How can i get sound going on a D915GAG? |
| 14:26.58 | Rawplayer | RE |
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| 14:27.07 | jm_ | phogg_: it does, as this clearly demonstrates |
| 14:27.14 | beardy | Alakazam: What is that, the name of the soundcard? |
| 14:27.16 | Bushito | i need help... when i am writing my username and password in kdm the characters are showen as squares and not as letters can any one help me, i cannot log in to kde =/. |
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| 14:28.12 | phogg_ | jm_: Yes, it does. In a certain way. But why does it not do it the way I expect? |
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| 14:29.52 | jm_ | phogg_: how do you expect it to behave then? |
| 14:30.10 | Alakazam | hmm |
| 14:30.12 | Alakazam | lemme see |
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| 14:30.20 | Alakazam | i'll have to look on the support page for intel beardy |
| 14:30.30 | phogg_ | jm_: I expect that if I can echo $COLUMNS and it has a value of 200 that the next time I run dpkg it will use that value. |
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| 14:30.41 | jm_ | phogg_: yes, that's how it works |
| 14:30.48 | dusty- | Anyone? |
| 14:30.50 | dusty- | Hey guys, i really wanna install some uptodate packages on my debian 3.1. r1 release. (Packages such as, gnome, xchat, firefox etc) but the most recent of these packages via apt-get is there anyway to do this#? |
| 14:31.15 | phogg_ | jm_: Clearly not or what I tried myself before coming here would have worked. |
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| 14:31.34 | jm_ | phogg_: WFM |
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| 14:32.02 | phogg_ | jm_: And also for me, in the past. But not on this box for some reason. |
| 14:32.04 | Alakazam | beardy, is see now they have a debian autio drivers package on intel.com |
| 14:32.08 | Alakazam | lol |
| 14:32.10 | Alakazam | oops |
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| 14:34.45 | phogg_ | jm_: it seems that dpkg 1.10.28 did not do what I expected but 1.13.11.0.1 does. |
| 14:34.47 | tosh_ | anyone have any experience with blocking p2p and iptables? |
| 14:34.53 | pharm | dusty-: backports.org |
| 14:35.18 | phogg_ | tosh_: other than just knowing which ports to drop? |
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| 14:36.10 | Bushito | can anyone help me i think i got a keymap error, please help. |
| 14:36.26 | pharm | dusty-: at least for firefox. |
| 14:36.35 | jm_ | phogg_: strange |
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| 14:36.42 | pharm | dusty-: If you're feeling adventurous then: http://www.esdebian.org/article.php?story=20051008112717797 for gnome |
| 14:37.00 | pharm | dusty-: Obivously these aren't official packages -- you're on your own if they break something. |
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| 14:37.22 | phogg_ | jm_: probably it was a bug in that version |
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| 14:37.54 | relic | :( |
| 14:37.54 | tosh_ | phogg, yes, if it was using static ports I would block them :/ |
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| 14:39.37 | relic | :( |
| 14:39.43 | Ronin | yes we see you relic |
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| 14:42.23 | cheef-daniel | hi |
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| 14:43.31 | relic | hi |
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| 14:43.49 | basix | i changed my mind. i'll keep fedora :) |
| 14:43.51 | basix | i like debian on my server |
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| 14:44.02 | valdyn | dusty-: your firefox is recent, firefox 1.5 has broken printing anyway |
| 14:44.29 | valdyn | !info xchat sid |
| 14:44.33 | valdyn | !info xchat sarge |
| 14:44.40 | cheef-daniel | I have a problem with the locale-settings in my terminal (don't have a X), with another distribution I shared with Samba to a Windows-OS before and now every letter like 'äöüß' are scrambeld |
| 14:44.42 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.1-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 258 kB, Installed size: 688 kB |
| 14:44.43 | dpkg | xchat: (IRC client for X similar to AmIRC), section net, is optional. Version: 2.4.5-2 (sid), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 660 kB |
| 14:45.00 | valdyn | dusty-: wonder what's wrong with your xchat |
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| 14:45.25 | tiny | Is it possible to somehow attach yourself to a lost ssh sesion running certain proces with another ssh session? |
| 14:45.38 | cheef-daniel | what must I do now (I tryed to set my LANG=de_DE or de_DE.UTF-8 but didn't help)? |
| 14:45.40 | tiny | lost ssh session is still running |
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| 14:46.07 | valdyn | cheef-daniel: dpkg-reconfigure locales, log out, log back in |
| 14:46.12 | tiny | I would like to see ouptut of a proces running in this lost ssh session |
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| 14:46.27 | cheef-daniel | yes I done this too but it didn't help, too |
| 14:46.28 | pzn | Hi! How can I get a list of available options for mouse parameter "Protocol" in XF86Config-4? |
| 14:46.30 | valdyn | cheef-daniel: that is to set locales, your samba shares work completely different |
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| 14:46.59 | Bushito | my KDE doesnt seem to known my chars so it puts squares when i write how can i fix this. please help. |
| 14:47.03 | djp | what is the equivelant (ctrl-alt backspace) command to kill/restart x? |
| 14:47.09 | valdyn | cheef-daniel: man mount should explain it iirc, smb shares do not know about encodings, so you have to set your samba to whatever you windows _assumes_ |
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| 14:47.20 | ILF_ | what's up with packages.debian? it's been a week, jee.. |
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| 14:47.33 | relic | !iirc |
| 14:47.33 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
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| 14:48.00 | cheef-daniel | I don't use samba anymore, the data are on my ext3 system on the local pc |
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| 14:48.41 | pzn | Any hint of "Protocol" to try for a /dev/ttyS0 mouse in XF86Config-4? the mouse is logitech 3 buttons + wheel |
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| 14:50.40 | pharm | pzn: msmouse? |
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| 14:51.20 | dusk | well, see yah! goin to ubuntu |
| 14:51.54 | pharm | pzn: Ah. Probably the "Logitech" protocol at a guess :) |
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| 14:52.42 | pzn | pharm, I'll try "Logitech". any hint about how to get a list of available protocols that I can test? |
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| 14:53.09 | valdyn | cheef-daniel: your windows used the 'wrong' codepage, those characters should have been scrambled from the start. You're going to have to rename the files |
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| 14:54.00 | cheef-daniel | what if I mount this ext3 with samba as //localhost/...? |
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| 14:54.15 | tremor_ | pzn: maybe "ImPS/2", but i'm running xorg here |
| 14:54.31 | valdyn | cheef-daniel: if you mount it using the same old ( wrong ) codepage then characters should appear as you wanted them |
| 14:55.15 | ulf_ | in welchem packet sind denn die mysql sourcen versteckt (header files) |
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| 14:55.40 | valdyn | cheef-daniel: mount -t smbfs -o codepage=whatever //host/share /path/to/mountpoint ( iirc , see man mount ) |
| 14:55.44 | ulf_ | ups, wrong language sorry |
| 14:55.53 | pngwn | ~ |
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| 14:56.20 | ulf_ | in which package are the mysql server source files / header files |
| 14:56.47 | valdyn | ulf_: you need the headers or the sources or both? |
| 14:56.59 | ulf_ | both |
| 14:57.10 | valdyn | ulf_: apt-get source <packagename> |
| 14:58.07 | valdyn | djw: 'killall X' or 'killall Xorg' ( as long as you dont run several ) |
| 14:58.28 | valdyn | djp: 'killall X' or 'killall Xorg' ( as long as you dont run several ) |
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| 15:00.45 | infoB | hello, whenever i try to use META (left ALT) key in console/xterm menu is opened! how can i avoid this? |
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| 15:01.06 | Rawplayer | change the key?:) |
| 15:01.13 | bibe | hi all. How can I check if 'scp' (from Sarge) has support for files larger than 2GB? |
| 15:01.23 | valdyn | infoB: which menu in wich window manager / desktop environment ? |
| 15:01.33 | ulf_ | valdyn: thanks what i needed was libmysqlclient12-dev |
| 15:01.38 | valdyn | bibe: dont check, it has that support |
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| 15:01.45 | bibe | valdyn : thanks |
| 15:01.56 | valdyn | ulf_: thats not the source though ) |
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| 15:03.05 | CaT_MaN|w0rk0u7 | hello ppl. What should i set in my grub.conf if I want to boot from new kernel and if this kernel do kernel panic, I want my GRUB to restart the system with safe kernel |
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| 15:03.21 | ulf_ | valdyn: what would you call it? development files? |
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| 15:03.48 | valdyn | ulf_: yea |
| 15:04.14 | infoB | valdyn, i use gnome terminal 2.10.0 |
| 15:04.15 | valdyn | ulf_: it doesnt contain the complete source does, only the headers and libraries required to compile binaries against libmysqlclient12 |
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| 15:05.06 | vipercokkies | haber, instale el hotkeys y no resulta |
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| 15:05.08 | valdyn | infoB: try gnome-keybinding-properties |
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| 15:05.30 | infoB | valdyn, what is it? |
| 15:05.39 | valdyn | infoB: run it |
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| 15:05.49 | pharm | CaT_MaN|w0rk0u7: see the grub manual |
| 15:05.51 | fatal__ | CaT_MaN|w0rk0u7: there's no grub.conf ... there is a menu.lst (/boot/grub/menu.lst) which contains a list of all kernels and other operating systems (like windows) available... |
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| 15:06.00 | ulf_ | valdyn: ok, now i know, next time i will ask for the header files or development files :o) |
| 15:06.35 | lesho | so, going to first complete reinstall... :( |
| 15:06.42 | CaT_MaN|w0rk0u7 | I want to reboot from safe kernel only in case of kernel panic with new kernel |
| 15:07.03 | valdyn | CaT_MaN|w0rk0u7: are you using kernel-package / make-kpkg ? |
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| 15:10.02 | dav1 | hi, when i use openoffice writer, heading 2 is linked to heading six rather than headin 3, can anyone help me please? |
| 15:11.02 | ejofee | is there any way i can ensure a minimum bandwidth for my ssh tunnel, so that all trafic on the remote machine may leave my tunnel unaffected? |
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| 15:11.31 | valdyn | ejofee: what kind of traffic are you tunneling? |
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| 15:11.50 | CaT_MaN|w0rk0u7 | I've sloved the problem.. with fallback option in grub |
| 15:11.56 | valdyn | ejofee: and.. does it really need bandwidth or ( if its like a shell ), latency? |
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| 15:12.17 | ejofee | valdyn: tunneled vnc |
| 15:12.27 | valdyn | ejofee: so, both i guess |
| 15:12.34 | valdyn | !wondershaper |
| 15:12.34 | dpkg | it has been said that wondershaper is a script which uses the traffic shaping features of the Linux kernel to fix some problems, including making downloads continue at full speed while uploads are happening at max rate, plus keeping good interactive response times while bulk transfers are busy |
| 15:12.36 | ejofee | valdyn: the remote computer has three times the internet bandwidth of the local one |
| 15:12.45 | Arathorn | hi guys - with equivs, do you have to specify the version of the package your fake package is Providing? |
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| 15:13.06 | ejofee | valdyn: so i want to reserve a third of it for the tunnel... i can't use more anyway |
| 15:13.12 | valdyn | ejofee: vnc just sucks too, useing ssh -X is _much_ better |
| 15:13.28 | petemc | and freenx is better again |
| 15:13.33 | ivanneto | Can anyone tell me what kind of information is stored on /sys? Just information about "pluggable" devices? |
| 15:13.43 | ejofee | valdyn: ssh -X also sucks at 128 kbps :( |
| 15:13.44 | valdyn | i'd doubt that, but i dont know ) |
| 15:13.58 | petemc | valdyn: try it.. |
| 15:14.03 | ejofee | valdyn: however, i would need to somehow "reserve" bandwidth. is that possible? |
| 15:14.23 | valdyn | ejofee: i told you, look at wondershaper, its easy to adjust for your needs |
| 15:15.00 | ejofee | valdyn: ohh... didn't see any wondershaper mention of yours. thank you. |
| 15:15.38 | valdyn | ejofee: if you need more than modifyeing wondershaper can do i guess you need to read http://lartc.org/, its quite comples |
| 15:15.44 | valdyn | s/comples/complex/ |
| 15:16.09 | ejofee | valdyn: thanks a lot! |
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| 15:16.44 | tosh_ | Warning: invalid flag 0x0000 of partition table 4 will be corrected by w(rite) I get this when trying fdisk on a sata disk. I know there's a vfat partition there, why don't I see the partitions? |
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| 15:17.48 | ejofee | valdyn: is lartc related to htb (or something)? |
| 15:18.06 | valdyn | ejofee: no idea, its documenation for netfilter |
| 15:18.23 | ejofee | valdyn: whatever. thanks. |
| 15:18.42 | valdyn | ejofee: see 'netfilter.org' ( linux kernel routing/firewalling/filering/shaping subsystem ) |
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| 15:19.39 | lesho | plz, can anyone help me? i couldnt start X (see log on http://alfa.intrak.tuke.sk/~leskop/XFree86.0.log.bck ) |
| 15:19.51 | pharm | ejofee: ssh -X -C is better still :) |
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| 15:20.22 | tarzeau | phoenix-: you can write -CX instead |
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| 15:21.02 | valdyn | ssh -X will get smooth scrolling done for any proper app anyway, no matter your bandwidth |
| 15:21.39 | tarzeau | valdyn: not for firefox |
| 15:21.44 | Anthro | Can someone explain to me why kernel 2.6.14 seems to have entirely disappeared from the repositories? |
| 15:21.47 | valdyn | tarzeau: yes it does |
| 15:21.57 | tarzeau | wait wait firefox IS NOT A proper app |
| 15:22.12 | tarzeau | Anthro: a new one came |
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| 15:23.12 | Arathorn | so: does anyone know how equivs is meant to work? |
| 15:23.19 | azeem | !equivs |
| 15:23.19 | dpkg | methinks equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 15:23.20 | Anthro | tarzeau: Be that as it may, just because a new version is out doesn't mean that everyone should upgrade immediately. There was a 2.6.14 security update I was delaying installing until I had time to do it while in front of the machine, and it just vanished before I had a chance. |
| 15:23.23 | valdyn | Arathorn: as written in its documentation |
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| 15:23.41 | Arathorn | the documentation doesn't state whether Provides: is meant to specify particular versions of (virtual)packages it provides |
| 15:23.51 | Arathorn | which is my hangup, i think |
| 15:24.07 | tuxie | silent in #ubuntu, trying here.. :/ |
| 15:24.09 | tuxie | anyone here familiar with apt-build or apt-src? I'm trying to install kde 3.5.0 on ppc from the kubuntu source-packages but I'm having problems.. |
| 15:24.13 | wam | Hi! I need a user who can su to other users - e.g. via "sudo su otheruser". I must be able to limit the users that the masteruser can become. Is this possible with sudo? |
| 15:24.18 | tuxie | apt-src doesn't build dependencies even though I have APT::Src::BuildDeps "true"; in $HOME/.apt-src/config and apt-build refuse to see kde 3.5.0 and tries to build 3.4.2 instead.. |
| 15:24.25 | Anthro | !tell tuxie about ubuntu |
| 15:24.51 | tarzeau | Anthro: you should've used -d then |
| 15:24.52 | Anthro | tuxie: It is irrelevant that #ubuntu is silent. This is not a fallback resource for ubuntu. |
| 15:25.46 | Anthro | tarzeau: Mm. Yes, I should have. Damn. |
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| 15:26.36 | valdyn | wam: you probably want to write a wrapper script for that |
| 15:26.55 | Anthro | tarzeau: It still a nasty trick for it to just vanish. |
| 15:27.08 | tarzeau | Anthro: i don't think so |
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| 15:27.32 | wam | valdyn: and only allow the wrapperscript from sudoers? I'd have to check the input in the wrapperscript, right? |
| 15:27.34 | valdyn | Anthro: its how it always happens in testing or unstable |
| 15:28.03 | Anthro | valdyn: Yeah, I suppose so. Fine, I'll upgrade to 2.6.15 when I get a chance. I was intending to anyway. |
| 15:28.09 | Arathorn | after installing a package created by equivs which Provides: libdbd-mysql-perl, why can I not dpkg -r libdbd-mysql-perl? |
| 15:28.41 | valdyn | wam: allow a certain ( masteruser ) to run that script with sudo. That script only providues the features you define. |
| 15:28.57 | wam | valdyn: that'll do. thanks for the hint |
| 15:29.40 | valdyn | wam: or, make that script check the UID of its caller, then you dont need sudo |
| 15:30.16 | wam | valdyn: Then I'd need a suid-root on that script, right? |
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| 15:30.33 | valdyn | wam: right |
| 15:30.45 | wam | valdyn: I'll meditate about that. |
| 15:30.48 | yalu | grrrr |
| 15:31.30 | Arathorn | if anyone has experience in using equivs ('cos unfortunately the documentation & examples doesn't quite cut it in solving my problem), i'd really appreciate it if they could consider my problem O:) |
| 15:31.32 | yalu | I've been trying for the last hour to uninstall some stuff and then install an old version of openoffice (2.0 sucks). takes aptitude years to remove the smallest packages |
| 15:32.05 | valdyn | !ram |
| 15:32.05 | dpkg | i guess ram is (Random Access Memory) The place in your computer that programs reside when running. or usually small but very fast storage device, or unused ram is _wasted_! ram!, or a male sheep |
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| 15:32.11 | tarzeau | !rum |
| 15:32.13 | valdyn | yalu: do you have enough of ^^^? |
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| 15:33.06 | yalu | valdyn: well 256 MB. there's 3 users logged in but they only run windowmaker and some small stuff, most of it is as idle as it can and actually I can tell from xosview the box doesn't swap much |
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| 15:34.46 | yalu | I am also tired of the complete irresponsiveness of my system when doing lots of disk access |
| 15:35.11 | valdyn | yalu: alright, which is the hardidsk being accessed? |
| 15:35.21 | valdyn | yalu: if you only have one, that is simple |
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| 15:35.38 | yalu | only one |
| 15:35.49 | yalu | 120 gb, 7200 rpm |
| 15:35.54 | valdyn | yalu: run 'hdparm -tT /dev/whatever' |
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| 15:36.09 | yalu | nah, I don't get it. even experimented with different io schedulers etc |
| 15:36.16 | valdyn | yalu: and just 'hdparm /dev/whatever' |
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| 15:36.31 | yalu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.32 | yalu | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:36.36 | valdyn | yalu: and tell us ( /msg dpkg paste ) the output |
| 15:36.53 | yalu | doesn't seem bad to me |
| 15:37.00 | curt_ | how do I force a disk check when rebooting? |
| 15:37.01 | phogg_ | That is damn fast. |
| 15:37.56 | valdyn | yalu: run 'top' in one shell and run 'cat /dev/whatever > /dev/null' in another and tell us the cpu usage |
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| 15:42.27 | krummie | hi, is there a way to find out what php scripts/files on a certain debian server is consuming the most cpu power? Debian Sarge, apache 2 and mysql 4 |
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| 15:42.58 | curt_ | repeat: how do I force a disk check when rebooting? |
| 15:43.03 | krummie | for some strange reason the server generates very very high loads. |
| 15:43.26 | Gnea | krummie: top+vnstat+tail -f /var/log/apache/* |
| 15:43.47 | krummie | shutdown -F curt_ |
| 15:43.56 | Gnea | !repeat |
| 15:43.56 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:44.00 | horror_vacui | Damn... I have a recent machine with SATA disks, and netinstaller won't detect the HD's. Is there something I'm missing? |
| 15:44.19 | curt_ | Gnea, hehe... |
| 15:44.24 | horror_vacui | dpkg: You could also say a few things about posting too long messages while you're at it... |
| 15:44.30 | Gnea | curt_: you laugh... |
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| 15:44.45 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: sounds like your SATA controller isn't know to the installer |
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| 15:44.46 | curt_ | i don't do it often.. |
| 15:44.46 | Gnea | !tell horror_vacui about rules |
| 15:45.01 | curt_ | laugh that is.. |
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| 15:45.49 | lodder_ | hello |
| 15:45.57 | lodder_ | i'm having some small problem |
| 15:46.07 | lodder_ | i can' seem to mount my cdrom drivers |
| 15:46.11 | lodder_ | non of them |
| 15:46.37 | horror_vacui | Gnea: I'm none the wiser. |
| 15:47.03 | bibe | horror_vacui : is your controller supported by, say, a 2.6.14 debian kernel? If so, try /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:47.04 | Gnea | !ask |
| 15:47.04 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:47.05 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: the debian installer doesn't know your SATA crontroller .. thus showing no HDs |
| 15:47.11 | tarzeau | lodder_: ignore small problems |
| 15:47.23 | fireba11 | tarzeau: hehe |
| 15:47.35 | lodder_ | tarzeau: wel i would like to have it fixed because i need to burn something for school |
| 15:47.40 | lodder_ | could you pls help me |
| 15:47.45 | Gnea | !pls |
| 15:47.45 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 15:47.48 | tarzeau | lodder_: for school, bah |
| 15:48.07 | krummie | Gnea can you please be more specific regarding the top+vnstat+etc. |
| 15:48.12 | lodder_ | tarzeau: i know, but if i don't do it i'm out of school |
| 15:48.20 | tarzeau | lodder_: where will you go? |
| 15:48.23 | horror_vacui | fireba11: Ok, so what can I do then? Knoppix 4.0 recognises the SATA controller (and other stuff I need). |
| 15:48.33 | lodder_ | tarzeau: how do you mean |
| 15:48.37 | fireba11 | lodder_: but back to the topic.. . "i can't" doesn't help us .. do you get an error message or what ? |
| 15:48.45 | tarzeau | lodder_: if you leave the school, what will you do instead? |
| 15:48.58 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: 1) what debian installer did you try so far ? |
| 15:49.04 | lodder_ | no wel i have looked at dmesg and it seems that it doesn't seem to be reconigzed |
| 15:49.25 | lodder_ | tarzeau: i will be doing nothing beceas i have no diploma |
| 15:49.26 | Gnea | mkrummie: open different terminals, and, as root, run top and vnstat in a couple of them on the same screen - top can be controlled to produce faster output (man top or press ? while it's running) and watch the apache logfiles as it's running to match real-time instances of occurrances which seem to slow the system down |
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| 15:49.32 | horror_vacui | fireba11: I think it's 31r0a |
| 15:49.38 | tarzeau | lodder_: you can't do anything without diploma? |
| 15:49.54 | lodder_ | tarzeau: thats what my teacher says |
| 15:49.59 | Gnea | !tell lodder_ about ask |
| 15:50.00 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: then first make sure you got the newsest one .. netinstall-CD ? |
| 15:50.09 | Gnea | lodder_: pay attention and follow the rules, it's that simple. |
| 15:50.19 | tarzeau | lodder_: oh every car vendor will tell you he's got the best and cheapest cars, and that you can't dig chicks if you don't buy his car |
| 15:50.24 | tarzeau | lodder_: will you buy it? |
| 15:50.26 | horror_vacui | fireba11: the image is 2 weeks old |
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| 15:50.54 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: then try to find uot what sata controller you mobo has and check support for it |
| 15:50.58 | Gnea | lodder_: if you don't follow the rules, then yes, you'll get kicked out. it's that way everywhere. |
| 15:51.03 | lodder_ | wel i have a problem with debian unstable, i can't seem to find them in the /dev folder |
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| 15:51.16 | tarzeau | !folder |
| 15:51.16 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 15:51.21 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:51.21 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:51.24 | fireba11 | lodder_: ah well ... maybe you should try stable ? |
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| 15:51.36 | lodder_ | fireba11: wel i'm going to |
| 15:51.54 | Gnea | lodder_: do the cdroms show up at all in /var/log/dmesg? do you even know what you're looking for? |
| 15:52.05 | lodder_ | Gnea: do the don't show up |
| 15:52.11 | lodder_ | i have already checked |
| 15:52.18 | Gnea | lodder_: no, i've done that already, it's not pretty. |
| 15:52.23 | fireba11 | gnea since you're on it .. does he even know what he's doing trunning unstable ? :-) |
| 15:52.34 | Gnea | fireba11: obviously not :) |
| 15:52.34 | horror_vacui | fireba11: What do you mean by "check support for it" - whether a newer installer supports the controller or what? |
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| 15:52.56 | Gnea | horror_vacui: hardware support is found at the kernel-level |
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| 15:53.21 | lodder_ | Gnea: i'm know what i'm doing atleast i touight i was but i needed unstable to run a program called tovid |
| 15:53.32 | horror_vacui | Gnea: Oh, thanks, I thought it's something like this window you get when you install windows drivers. Hardware support is GUI, right? |
| 15:53.39 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: whether or not the kernel on the installer SHOULD support it, if there is linux support for it at all etc .. also you might need to install with 2.6 kernel |
| 15:53.57 | Gnea | lodder_: i don't see tovid when i do a apt-cache search tovid |
| 15:54.18 | horror_vacui | fireba11: I am installing with the 2.6, 2.6.8 to be more correct. The knoppix 4.0 uses 2.6.12, and it does have support for it. |
| 15:54.19 | lodder_ | Gnea: if you could pls help me fix this problem i have kernel 2.6.15-2-686 |
| 15:54.24 | Matt-H | !pls |
| 15:54.24 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 15:54.29 | lodder_ | Gnea: it's from a other source |
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| 15:54.42 | wam | why can't i set tue suid-bit on a script? I try "chown root:root file && chmod +s file". When looking at the file, it has "-rwsr-sr-x". But when I call it as user, I don't switch to root. What could be wrong? |
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| 15:54.44 | horror_vacui | fireba11: (though lspci won't give me any info about the sata controller... funny) |
| 15:54.51 | Gnea | horror_vacui: no, GUI is just a representation of what lies beneath, it's like reading the cover of a book and thinking you know all the contents when you haven't even read it the entire thing |
| 15:55.13 | dav1 | hi, i was wondering, i have set my keyboard so that when i press the windows+m key combo it shows the desktop, if i change things, i can get the windows key on its own to show the 'K?' menu, but this stops the windows+m combo working, is there any way to do both? |
| 15:55.17 | _keroppi_ | If you have a dual-head video card (any company), that's configured in X, could you tell me what driver you're using, and whether it uses two Screen, Monitor and Device sections, or if it uses Options in one Device section to specify the resolution, hsync and vsync of the secondary screen? |
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| 15:55.26 | lodder_ | Gnea: what could i do ? |
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| 15:55.42 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: sounds like you need to find a way to install with never than 2.6.8 ... of course you could use testing or even unstable ... but since i guess it's a productive system i suggest trying to find a way to still use stable would be advisable :-) |
| 15:55.52 | Gnea | lodder_: dude, don't ask me to do anything, and stop speaking in that goddamn leetspeak, i'll do as i PLEASE and i don't have to help you do jack shit. now, if you wanted to pay me, that'd be a different story. |
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| 15:56.17 | Gnea | lodder_: in case you hadn't noticed, i'm already helping you. |
| 15:56.36 | fireba11 | dav1: obviously not since you would need to press both keys at exactly the same time for the combo wich is technically impossible |
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| 15:56.42 | horror_vacui | fireba11: Well, my idea was to try a newer installer (if there's one) and try installing sarge with it (if that's possible). Yes, it is a production system. |
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| 15:57.08 | Gnea | lodder_: again, you need to PAY ATTENTION - now what did i say three lines ago? |
| 15:57.23 | fireba11 | horror_vacui: i#m afraid i can't tell you how to do that .. though i'm interested in it myself sicne i'll probably have to do it myself soon |
| 15:57.25 | Gnea | man, i would make a horrible teacher :) |
| 15:57.25 | bibe | !tell horror_vacui -about sarge 2.6.14 |
| 15:57.51 | atp | hey folks, just did a dist-upgrade on my etch system, and now my official build of firefox 1.5 (which i have in /usr/local/firefox) segfaults on startup. anyone experiencing this problem? |
| 15:57.52 | lodder_ | Gnea: k |
| 15:57.58 | lodder_ | Gnea: i'm listening |
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| 15:58.29 | lodder_ | Gnea: tovid is a program from a other repostory |
| 15:58.35 | atp | the ironic thing is i moved from a debian build to an official build because my debian build was segfaulting on startup |
| 15:58.42 | Gnea | lodder_: listening requires using your ears. here, you're using your eyes - your brain is still processing the information and it can't make a proper difference between what it sees and hears. now where are you finding tovid, exactly? |
| 15:58.47 | bibe | atp : are you running etch or sid? |
| 15:58.55 | atp | bibe: etch |
| 15:59.05 | atp | bibe: just dist-upgraded today, and firefox stopped working |
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| 15:59.25 | bibe | atp : apt-cache policy mozilla-firefox shows 1.0.7 for etch |
| 15:59.28 | chugga | is there a package to extract rar archives? |
| 15:59.41 | Gnea | !unrar |
| 15:59.41 | dpkg | unrar is probably a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
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| 15:59.44 | atp | atp: i said it's an official build, not a debian build |
| 15:59.47 | atp | err bibe, sorry |
| 15:59.52 | lodder_ | Gnea: deb http://packages.kirya.net unstable main contrib non-free |
| 16:00.05 | dav1 | fireba11: i can set it so that the windows key brings up the k menu, or i can set it so that windows+m shows the desktop, but not both. |
| 16:00.05 | chugga | !ask unrar-free |
| 16:00.11 | Gnea | lodder_: now we're getting somewhere :) hold on... |
| 16:00.23 | blame | does anyone have a clue why cPanel's file manager wont unzip ordinary .zip file saying: File Type: Zip archive data, at least v1.0 to extract ? |
| 16:00.25 | chugga | !unrar-free |
| 16:00.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, unrar-free is an unarchiver for .rar files that can't handle archives in the RAR 3.0 format, which is by far the most used RAR format (ask me about unrar for 3.0). in main unstable |
| 16:00.30 | atp | bibe: i moved from a debian build to an official ff build a few months back because i was getting segfaults on the debian build of firefox |
| 16:00.33 | fireba11 | dav1: i would not expect anythign else |
| 16:00.40 | atp | bibe: ironically, now the official build is segfaulting |
| 16:00.57 | chugga | non free package then. where do i find it? |
| 16:01.02 | dav1 | fireba11: but why, thats how it works in windows? |
| 16:01.07 | rezzen | does dpkg have ability to verify integrity of a package? (similar to rpm's --verify) |
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| 16:01.36 | bibe | atp : that probably depends on a library needed by ff, debian builds use to be sort-of stable when used on a debian system |
| 16:01.38 | rezzen | also, is there a dpkg option to repair a package (restore default perms, files, etc.) |
| 16:02.22 | ubuntudvd32 | I have installed epcam from source for creative webcam pd1001 but now having this error "epcam: Unknown symbol remap_page_range" any suggestion |
| 16:02.24 | Gnea | oh dude |
| 16:02.33 | bibe | atp : did you check BTS? Maybe someone already filed a bug against ff |
| 16:02.38 | atp | bibe: i'm sorry, i'm having trouble parsing your reply... you mean that debian builds used to be sort of stable, or what? |
| 16:02.41 | lodder_ | Gnea: yes |
| 16:02.52 | Gnea | lodder_: now that is awesome, i've been looking for a program like that - hold on, imma help you for sure now |
| 16:03.12 | stew | rezzen: there is the "debsums" pacakge for verifying md5s, there is dpkg-reconfigure packagename, and apt-get instal --reinstall pacakgename |
| 16:03.15 | atp | bibe: well, i don't really have any idea what's causing it, it segfaults immediately on startup |
| 16:03.20 | bibe | atp : I mean that mixing official builds with debian libraries is less stable than using debian libraries and debian builds |
| 16:03.33 | lodder_ | Gnea: i have kernel 2.6.15-2-686 it's the only kernel that seem to work with my sata hd |
| 16:03.42 | chugga | !rar deb |
| 16:03.42 | atp | bibe: yeah, that doesn't surprise me. maybe i should build the sucker from source. |
| 16:04.00 | atp | bibe: but this is really unstable, i mean, it doesn't even run. it's weird. |
| 16:04.19 | ubuntudvd32 | Help install creative webcam pd1001 driver |
| 16:04.23 | dimir | !nickometer theorm |
| 16:04.24 | dpkg | 'theorm' is 0.000% lame, dimir |
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| 16:04.36 | Gnea | !paste |
| 16:04.36 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or try "/msg paster help". |
| 16:04.42 | bibe | atp : a couple of months ago even sarge's ff build segfaulted (when opening a new tab)... ;) |
| 16:05.02 | Gnea | lodder_: hey, do me a favor and paste the entire output of the dmesg command to http://channels.debian.net/paste/ then give the url |
| 16:05.02 | atp | bibe: it seems as though debian has been rather less than stable of late |
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| 16:05.14 | atp | bibe: lots of apps are segfaulting these days |
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| 16:05.38 | bibe | atp : is another ABI change on its way to etch? |
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| 16:06.08 | atp | bibe: i have no idea, but it wouldn't surprise me... stuff was frozen in sarge for so long |
| 16:06.24 | dav1 | does anyone else know if its possible to get the windows key to bring up the 'k' menu, and the windows+m combination to show the desktop? |
| 16:06.30 | chugga | ./rar: error while loading shared libraries: libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 16:06.39 | chugga | what should i apt-get to get this library |
| 16:06.49 | Gnea | chugga: apt-cache search libstdc |
| 16:07.42 | KerPlunk | chugga: Just add non-free and contrib to your sources.list and then apt-get install rar |
| 16:07.50 | KerPlunk | !tell chugga about non-free |
| 16:07.58 | Gnea | !beer KerPlunk |
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| 16:08.40 | lodder_ | Gnea http://channels.debian.net/paste/1576. |
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| 16:09.06 | KerPlunk | chugga: Also you only need unrar to extract rar files, unrar is open source, and you can also apt-get install unrar from non-free..you only need rar to compress and package files. |
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| 16:09.15 | rezzen | stew: thans. |
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| 16:09.36 | dusty- | valdyn, in regards to the xchat/firefox comment, firefox is 1.0.4 just looks and feels different as with xchat.. i prefer the latter ones. |
| 16:09.41 | chugga | kerneld_, apparently unrar can only deal with version 3 rar files and most rar files arent version 3. according to the bot anyway |
| 16:09.55 | chugga | KerPlunk, im used to rar. i know how to use it :) |
| 16:10.07 | KerPlunk | kerneld_: I did apt-get install unrar from non-free and I've never found a rar file I can't extract from. |
| 16:10.14 | KerPlunk | And I probably download a terabyte of rar files a month. |
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| 16:10.34 | petemc | thief! |
| 16:10.34 | lodder_ | Gnea: can you find anything odd ? |
| 16:10.43 | chugga | KerPlunk, hmm that thing must be wrong t hen. |
| 16:10.59 | matadon | How can you 'nice' a cronjob? I tried adding 'nice 15' before the job to run, but cron instead just failed to run the job, with no errors. |
| 16:10.59 | Gnea | lodder_: okay, it looks like your cdroms are not even hooked up at all - did you build this system yourself from the ground up or was it preassembled? |
| 16:11.05 | KerPlunk | chugga: yes but unrar is open source, rar is not. So I can make custom scripts with rar, so when I download a movie I can make it so I only need the first rar, and I can start my movie, ie unrar e -kb file.rar .; mplayer -fs -idx file.avi; |
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| 16:11.22 | Gnea | lodder_: also, your sata hard drive will die before the end of 2006. |
| 16:11.27 | lodder_ | Gnea: my cdroms are hooked up |
| 16:11.40 | lodder_ | Gnea: why will my sata drive dy |
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| 16:11.43 | chugga | KerPlunk, nice feature. do you use etch? |
| 16:11.54 | KerPlunk | chugga: yes, you want me to paste you my sources.list? |
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| 16:12.05 | chugga | KerPlunk, yes please |
| 16:12.13 | Gnea | lodder_: because it's a maxtor, they make the *worst* drives on the market today. I would suggest getting a western digital as soon as you can afford it and mirror the data to it |
| 16:12.20 | lodder_ | Gnea: my cd'roms are hooked up they work maby if i lower the kernel to versie 2.4.* |
| 16:12.40 | lodder_ | Gnea: k thx |
| 16:12.45 | Gnea | lodder_: no, kernel won't matter - need to see the output of the lspci command please |
| 16:12.57 | KerPlunk | chugga: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/EuITtt69.html |
| 16:13.44 | Gnea | lodder_: also, ext3 > reiserfs (reiserfs is also a bad filesystem, too many errors in its history - you'll find this out) |
| 16:13.45 | chugga | KerPlunk, that last line is for mplayer, yes? |
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| 16:13.53 | dav1 | i always thought seagate were the best, whereas western digitial raptors were the fastest, in terms of Sata and pata drives anyway? |
| 16:13.57 | KerPlunk | chugga: no, that line is more like for illegal stuff. |
| 16:14.00 | KerPlunk | !marillat |
| 16:14.00 | dpkg | marillat is, like, (from memory, marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt greater than 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> <marillat.etch> <marillat.sid>) |
| 16:14.07 | Gnea | lodder_: it's great for certain applications tho, but basic system maintenance is not one of them |
| 16:14.10 | Jonathan` | is there a way to make it so that debian automatically initalializes the eth0 connection on bootup instead of manually having to do it? |
| 16:14.22 | stew | Jonathan`: man interfaces |
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| 16:14.39 | lodder_ | Gnea: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1577 |
| 16:14.42 | KerPlunk | chugga: Because of american law some packages shouldn't be hosted on debian.org like packages containing libdvdcss(for decrypting dvds) and other things like this. |
| 16:15.00 | KerPlunk | chugga: Like if you live in america it is illegal for you to watch a commercial dvd with css on it. |
| 16:15.10 | chugga | KerPlunk, i see. so you do you use etch. what video player do you use? vlc? |
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| 16:15.21 | KerPlunk | KerPlunk: I use mplayer. |
| 16:15.47 | Jonathan` | is auto eth0 all i need in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 16:15.57 | Gnea | lodder_: okay, are you familiar with the bios? it looks like the IDE has been turned off there, the system isn't even finding it |
| 16:15.58 | KerPlunk | !tell Jonathan` about interfaces |
| 16:16.13 | stew | Jonathan`: you need auto etho, then you need to ahve eth0 defined to use either dhcp or a static address |
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| 16:16.31 | Gnea | lodder_: so the cdroms are plugged in and hooked up, but the system isn't seeing them because it's blinded itself to them |
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| 16:17.02 | Jonathan` | thanks |
| 16:17.03 | stew | lodder_: are you booted from ide or sata? |
| 16:17.30 | Gnea | stew: read this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/1576 |
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| 16:18.12 | dippo_ | anyone remember what the Right Way to compile a php extension in debian is? isn't there a command that you can use to wrap phpize & compiling into a debian package? |
| 16:18.17 | dippo_ | i am totally blanking |
| 16:18.26 | KerPlunk | chugga: mplayer can play rar files directly if the rar files aren't compressed, say it's a vcd or dvd release... rules would state not to use compression with these types of releases...so you can just mplayer *.rar; |
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| 16:18.42 | lodder_ | Gnea: sata |
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| 16:20.16 | lodder_ | Gnea: thx for all the help but have to go |
| 16:20.30 | chugga | KerPlunk, what packages (from mariatt i guess) do you recommend install along with mplayer. to play wmv, etc. and also dvds? |
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| 16:20.45 | Number6 | anyone here know how to configure an intel centrino wireless(2200bg) chip? |
| 16:20.57 | Number6 | tried followig the man, but still cant connect |
| 16:21.01 | Gnea | lodder_: ok, good luck |
| 16:21.06 | abrotman | !ipw2200 |
| 16:21.06 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, to install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. you will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages installed, and you will need contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200, or ipw2200-source will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
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| 16:22.07 | vin` | chugga: w32codecs, libdvdcss2 |
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| 16:22.47 | chugga | vin`, cheers. |
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| 16:23.07 | chugga | the default gui of mplayer is horrible. what do you guys use instead? |
| 16:23.07 | syl-2 | hi, id like to know whats wrong with my method of mounting the floppy. i use /dev/fd1 as a device, and vfat as fs type |
| 16:23.24 | resiak | chugga: I use totem, backed by xine, instead of mplayer. |
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| 16:23.47 | KerPlunk | chugga: w32codecs |
| 16:23.53 | saskwach | Do I have to select some sort of fancy keyboard layout to get multimedia keys to work? Xev keeps telling me I'm pressing (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol). |
| 16:24.09 | vin` | chugga: get some skins |
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| 16:24.33 | KerPlunk | chugga: I just use mplayer-nogui |
| 16:24.35 | stew | saskwach: that means they are probably not usable at all |
| 16:24.54 | thingfish | saskwach: in gnome, it should be fairly easy. Applications>Desktop Preferences>Keyboard Shortcuts. |
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| 16:25.22 | chugga | kerneld_, so basically just mplayer (intead of gmplayer?) - i did use mplayer for a few years, and a xine for a few years before that. and since fell in love with vlc .. but its not in etch :( |
| 16:25.29 | krummie | Gnea apachetop would give me more info if I had just one log file :/ The log files are seperatly being stored in /var/www/vhosts/*/statistics/logs/access.log and error.log . Is there a way to monitor all log files at once using apachetop? all files are seperate. |
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| 16:25.43 | KerPlunk | chugga: mplayer-nogui would be the package name. |
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| 16:25.48 | dav1 | are there any hardware gurus here? i'm contemplating building a raid 6 array, and i was wondering whether there would be any hardware bottleneck issues, i was thinking of using 8 sata2 drives, giving a cache speed on the hard drives of 300MB/s*6=1.8GB/s, i was thinknig of connecting the drives via the 8 sata2 connectors on the mobo, there are 2 chips, each chip connects 4 sata2 slots, now in terms of ram 400mhz*8=3.2GB/s +dual channe |
| 16:26.06 | KerPlunk | chugga: gmplayer is the same thing...with a gui front end...I just prefer to type out the options, it's easier for me. |
| 16:26.47 | Gnea | dav1: sounds awesome - does the hardware controller itself support raid6? |
| 16:26.48 | KerPlunk | dav1: There was just an article on slashdot for raid you probably want to visit their website www.slashdot.org |
| 16:26.53 | chugga | KerPlunk, oh right. i didnt know i could install it without the gui. cool |
| 16:27.18 | dav1 | no, the raid would be software raid using the debian o/s |
| 16:27.46 | KerPlunk | dav1: http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/16/1840209 |
| 16:28.02 | dav1 | thx KerPlunk |
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| 16:28.09 | charolastra | hi everyone |
| 16:28.29 | yer | hello |
| 16:28.51 | KerPlunk | !greet charolastra |
| 16:28.51 | dpkg | Hello, charolastra |
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| 16:28.57 | chugga | KerPlunk, thanks for the help! |
| 16:29.12 | yer | !greet yer |
| 16:29.13 | dpkg | Salutations, yer |
| 16:29.18 | yer | i felt left out :( |
| 16:29.30 | yer | <3 dpkg |
| 16:29.33 | yer | :) |
| 16:29.34 | KerPlunk | chugga: sure, happy pirating |
| 16:30.08 | ewald | anyone know a guide for tweaking gnome 2.12 on debian systems, because I just installed/logged into gnome and it's very laggy and I noticed Xorg is using like 50M of ram |
| 16:30.33 | KerPlunk | ewald: What version of debian? |
| 16:30.37 | ewald | unstable |
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| 16:30.59 | ewald | :D |
| 16:31.01 | KerPlunk | ewald: My recommendation would be just to wait until they are done implementing it. |
| 16:31.06 | KerPlunk | !tell ewald about sid |
| 16:31.10 | KerPlunk | !tell ewald about bts |
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| 16:31.55 | ewald | ok not what I am looking for but thanks :) |
| 16:32.22 | Prudhvi | Guys, i get a Kernel Panic on 2.6.8-2-686 Kernel. Saying that Interrupt Handler is Not Syncing. I dont get these Problems on The Same Box running a Different Distro |
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| 16:32.46 | KerPlunk | ewald: They aren't done yet...the best solution for you is probably to wait...or don't use sid so things aren't _unstable_ like having xorg use 50 meg of ram |
| 16:33.07 | ewald | KerPlunk that's only happening with gnome :D |
| 16:33.27 | charolastra | since some time now my KDE doesn't want to work together with samba (i.e. entering "smb:/" in konqueror doesn't work); i have all required packages up to date and am out of ideas ... is this known behaviour? |
| 16:33.28 | ewald | kinda figured maybe gnome was using composite etc.. or something |
| 16:33.58 | stew | charolastra: ask debian-kde |
| 16:34.04 | charolastra | oh, thanks |
| 16:34.05 | KerPlunk | ewald: That's because gnome 2.12 was _just_ released and the code is very fresh(unstable) |
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| 16:35.06 | help | hi all |
| 16:35.13 | dav1 | i have issues with that too charolastra |
| 16:35.17 | help | i need some help http://pastebin.com/510028 |
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| 16:36.03 | charolastra | dav1: like "file or folder "smb:/" doesn't exist"? |
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| 16:36.24 | KerPlunk | help you're trying to boot linux off a thumb drive? |
| 16:36.27 | massimo_ | hi to all |
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| 16:36.41 | stew | help: did you re-run lilo after changing lilo.conf? |
| 16:36.50 | help | yes |
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| 16:36.53 | massimo_ | i've kaffeine with gstreamer on sid and when i open a video i only hear audio |
| 16:36.56 | jack | has someone an installable vlc package for unstable ? :) |
| 16:37.07 | dav1 | the problems i had were that i didnt have the right samba packages installed, as there is more than one, i also have issues with my hub but thats unrelated to what u said |
| 16:37.18 | help | a thumb drive? uhm whats that _ sry my english... its a sata hd |
| 16:37.37 | KerPlunk | help: http://www.hddsaver.com/content/18/index.html is an article I just saw on the net yesterday...it is probably helpful to you. |
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| 16:37.47 | iLinux | thks |
| 16:37.54 | KerPlunk | o, heh nevermind that article is useless |
| 16:37.54 | dav1 | can u mount the smb drive and access it using the console? |
| 16:38.07 | Prudhvi | Guys, i get a Kernel Panic on 2.6.8-2-686 Kernel. Saying that Interrupt Handler is Not Syncing. I dont get these Problems on The Same Box running a Different Distro |
| 16:38.20 | iLinux | KerPlunk :s |
| 16:38.37 | charolastra | dav1: right now i can't mount as the kernel doesn's support is; but viewing works perfect with "smbclient" |
| 16:38.40 | KerPlunk | !debian-pt |
| 16:38.40 | dpkg | somebody said debian-pt was /join #debian-pt |
| 16:38.58 | KerPlunk | iLinux: There are a couple people in there who might speak your native language.(most likely) |
| 16:39.28 | ewald | iLinux no timeout=? |
| 16:39.36 | ewald | nm |
| 16:39.55 | dav1 | i dont remember which packages it was, but i suggest u look through the package list for samba packages and try a different one |
| 16:39.58 | iLinux | timeout = 50 |
| 16:40.14 | iLinux | to commenta that ? |
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| 16:40.19 | iLinux | *comment |
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| 16:40.49 | thingfish | iLinux: you might try #debian-br |
| 16:40.59 | thingfish | that channel actually has people in it. |
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| 16:41.16 | iLinux | k |
| 16:41.19 | iLinux | thks |
| 16:41.21 | ewald | iLinux you are missing 'prompt' man lilo.conf |
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| 16:41.44 | iLinux | k |
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| 16:41.56 | momo | hi folks |
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| 16:42.47 | KerPlunk | thingfish: There are people in #debian-pt |
| 16:42.47 | Momo | i want to add a module to be loaded from initrd at startup, where do i specify it to be loaded? it is already included in initrd |
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| 16:43.12 | thingfish | KerPlunk: barely |
| 16:43.48 | iLinux | thingfish, es tuga ? |
| 16:44.01 | thingfish | KerPlunk: if someone speaks portuguese, they're usually sent to #debian-br |
| 16:44.01 | S4nD3r | how to test alsa sound in commandline ?? |
| 16:44.10 | thingfish | iLinux: nao, nao sou. |
| 16:44.10 | KerPlunk | iLinux: How do you say in portugese "Join #debian-br if you speak portugese" |
| 16:44.24 | thingfish | !br |
| 16:44.24 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:44.35 | thingfish | that's how. :) |
| 16:44.48 | KerPlunk | pt is Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:44.49 | ewald | Momo /etc/modules ? |
| 16:44.52 | KerPlunk | wops |
| 16:44.58 | Momo | ewald: i did this |
| 16:45.06 | iLinux | *se falas portugues entra no #debian-br* == "Join #debian-br if you speak portugese" |
| 16:45.07 | KerPlunk | !pt |
| 16:45.08 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:45.10 | Momo | ewald: i want megaraid module to be loaded, and it is not |
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| 16:45.41 | ewald | Mono no typing errors/you can modprobe this module from command line? |
| 16:45.44 | iLinux | brb |
| 16:45.49 | thingfish | iLinux: demais "portugalizado" hehe |
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| 16:46.21 | Momo | ewald: if i boot my 2.6.8-2-386 i loads automagically, but not with the 2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 16:46.50 | ewald | Momo no included with that kernel? the module has a different name? |
| 16:47.30 | nykheyn | hello. i've buied a usb key, but i can't have access on data (on windows works properly) |
| 16:47.31 | ewald | Momo can you modprobe it when using that kernel? |
| 16:47.31 | thingfish | KerPlunk: I think what you wanted was, !pt is also blah etc etc |
| 16:47.47 | Momo | ewald: yes i can modprobe it |
| 16:48.05 | Momo | ewald: booting on 2.6.15 fails and drop me on a little shell |
| 16:48.06 | thingfish | !pt |
| 16:48.06 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:48.15 | ewald | Momo not sure :( |
| 16:48.18 | nykheyn | usb key = usb mass storage |
| 16:48.22 | thingfish | already there, so good. |
| 16:48.34 | Momo | ewald: booting fails because root filesystem is on raid |
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| 16:48.55 | Momo | ewald: if it dont load megaraid module, it can mount / filesystem |
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| 16:49.29 | Momo | ewald: when booting fails, it gives me a shell so i can see that megaraid module is here |
| 16:49.40 | dumezil | how can i make a xdmcp connection if i don't have the ability to change my local display manager, and it (the display manager) doesn't allow me to to xdmcp? |
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| 16:49.44 | abionnnn | I'm trying to use the latest ATI firegl drivers, /var/log/Xor.log seems to indicate that DRI has been installed but glxinfo indicated mesa is being used. Any ideas? I'm thinking it's some kind of weird symbolic link problem |
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| 16:49.52 | nykheyn | hello. i've buied a usb mass storage device, but i can't have access on data (on windows works properly). what i should do? |
| 16:49.55 | stew | Momo: you are using an initrd? which tool did you create it with? |
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| 16:50.04 | pipeline | nykheyn: install gnome-volume-manager and reboot. |
| 16:50.04 | ewald | Momo well if it can't mount / how is it going to load a module that is on that partition? |
| 16:50.12 | stew | ewald: with an initrd |
| 16:50.16 | ewald | :\ |
| 16:50.19 | nykheyn | pipeline: thanks |
| 16:50.19 | S4nD3r | how to test my sound card ? |
| 16:50.26 | S4nD3r | I dont have music CD here |
| 16:50.32 | pipeline | nykheyn: with g-v-m installed, it should "just work" when you plug in the umass device. |
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| 16:50.53 | dumezil | how can i make a xdmcp connection using a terminal? (rather than a display manager) |
| 16:50.55 | Momo | ewald: the module is in the initrd |
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| 16:50.57 | SupraX | hello, I have problem accessing mu usb key on debian (no problem on mandriva) |
| 16:51.21 | stew | S4nD3r: /usr/sbin/speaker-test |
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| 16:51.32 | nykheyn | pipeline: thank you very much. |
| 16:51.33 | stew | SupraX: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 16:51.45 | stew | S4nD3r: uhh, its in /usr/bin/ not /usr/sbin |
| 16:52.24 | jes-o-mat | stew: and what's about automounting? =) |
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| 16:52.38 | Lee__ | I'm using the postfix package in sarge and I can't find the setting to change the maximum mbox size. It's set at 50M. |
| 16:52.40 | stew | jes-o-mat: use gnome-volume-manager or /msg dpkg autofs |
| 16:52.57 | SupraX | stew: I try, thanks |
| 16:52.59 | Momo | all i want to know is where i can specify modules loaded from initrd ? |
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| 16:53.15 | S4nD3r | stew, great |
| 16:53.22 | S4nD3r | Thats working good. |
| 16:53.23 | stew | Momo: which initrd tool are you using? |
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| 16:55.03 | Momo | stew: i use linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 from debian archive |
| 16:55.15 | stew | Momo: which initrd tool are you using to create the initrd? |
| 16:55.24 | stew | Momo: each has its on set of configuration |
| 16:55.41 | Momo | stew: i install my kernel with debians linux-images* |
| 16:55.51 | Momo | stew: i think it was yaird |
| 16:55.55 | SupraX | stew: no usb-storage found |
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| 16:56.09 | Momo | stew: it was yaird for 2.6.14 |
| 16:56.09 | stew | SupraX: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:56.24 | uau | xemacs21-mule crashes on startup after the latest unstable update (which didn't update xemacs itself but did update things like xorg), does that happen for others? |
| 16:56.24 | Momo | stew: but now i think it is mkinitrd |
| 16:56.39 | SupraX | Linux pandemonium 2.4.27-2-k7 #1 Wed Aug 17 11:28:09 UTC 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:57.31 | txavo | hi folks! |
| 16:57.55 | stew | Momo: figure out which one you want to use, and man yaird || man mkinitrd.conf || man mkinitramfs |
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| 16:58.29 | txavo | does anyone know when will the repositories have public PGP keys available? |
| 16:58.34 | Momo | stew: it is a fresh new sid install |
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| 16:59.15 | Momo | stew: i've found !!! it's mkinitramfs |
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| 16:59.33 | stew | SupraX: you get module not found when running "modprobe usb-storage"? |
| 17:00.01 | SupraX | job done |
| 17:00.15 | thingfish | txavo: try /topic |
| 17:00.17 | SupraX | how could I access the device now ? |
| 17:00.43 | txavo | thanx, should've noticed |
| 17:00.44 | yure | offtopic question: how would you pronounce the word "mravojed" in english? |
| 17:00.54 | zol | hi, i've got some pb, with M4 macros files. I want to compil gcompris on debian stable, when i run autogen.sh script, it returns the following error : ***Error***: some autoconf macros required to build gcompris |
| 17:00.54 | zol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.54 | zol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:00.54 | zol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.54 | stew | SupraX: did you /msg dpkg usb-storage? |
| 17:01.10 | Momo | stew: ok, i found "modules" in /etc/mkinitramfs, i added megaraid and now i reinstall linux image |
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| 17:01.32 | stew | Momo: you can just recreate the initrd instead of reinstalling the kernel package |
| 17:01.46 | zol | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.55 | zol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:02.15 | zol | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:02.32 | stew | zol: why are you compiling? and if you insist on compiling, why are you compiling the debian packages? |
| 17:02.45 | SupraX | stew: no, I did it under a root term |
| 17:02.46 | SupraX | lol |
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| 17:02.58 | stew | !tell SupraX about usb-storage |
| 17:03.19 | zol | Stew, i need to compile gcompris for a project |
| 17:03.24 | SupraX | thank you |
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| 17:03.32 | SupraX | !tell suprax automount |
| 17:03.35 | SupraX | :D |
| 17:03.37 | stew | zol: apt-get build-dep gcompris |
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| 17:03.43 | stew | SupraX: /msg the bot |
| 17:03.49 | SupraX | ok |
| 17:03.56 | sniperjo | Hi guys, for some reason i cant connect to my samba server on my debian server on MAC OSX does anyone know why? |
| 17:04.20 | zol | stew, i can't,i'm working on a project, and i need to compile the source for different linux OS, so i want to test it |
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| 17:04.52 | stew | zol: if you don't want the debian answer you are in the wrong channel |
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| 17:05.14 | zol | stew, ok ... bye !! |
| 17:05.19 | txavo | zol: |
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| 17:07.08 | nykheyn | hello, which command i must perform in order to find the usb mass storage device name? (like sdb) |
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| 17:07.25 | matteo | nykheyn: dmesg? |
| 17:08.08 | Althaser | nykheyn or cat /proc/partitions |
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| 17:09.19 | nykheyn | i dont'understand. i paste (with pastebin) results. |
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| 17:11.49 | nykheyn | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BrcgAY88.html |
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| 17:12.11 | yooj | hi, i cant remember how to gzip a whole directory ??? |
| 17:12.32 | ncp | yooj: tjek man page? |
| 17:12.48 | SupraX | THAT WORKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!! Thank you stew and God. |
| 17:12.51 | Kluster_v2 | yooj, and chance isp.. they are idiots |
| 17:13.02 | fl00d_ | yooj: use tar.gz |
| 17:13.14 | nykheyn | http://rafb.net/paste/results/BrcgAY88.html <----- dmesg and /proc/partitions |
| 17:13.17 | yooj | Kluster_v2: ? |
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| 17:14.03 | yooj | i never really meant to become friends with them :P |
| 17:14.04 | Kluster_v2 | yooj, oops, weird type sry.. I meant chanGe ISP :) |
| 17:14.55 | xbm-x | dsay |
| 17:14.58 | xbm-x | ooopps |
| 17:15.01 | Kluster_v2 | then again, can't even spedd typo right... typo ! there I typed it right |
| 17:15.06 | Kluster_v2 | spell* |
| 17:15.11 | Kluster_v2 | something is wrong with me |
| 17:15.46 | yooj | loll |
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| 17:16.56 | nykheyn | i can't understand usb ports names: someone can help me? here i've pasted results of 'dmesg' and '/proc/partitions' contents. http://rafb.net/paste/results/BrcgAY88.html <----- dmesg and /proc/partitions |
| 17:18.42 | orjan | While setting up vncserver I need to restart inetd, how? |
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| 17:19.20 | stew | orjan: /etc/init.d/inetd reload |
| 17:19.20 | sniperjo | hi guys i am trying to connect to my samba server on mac OSX and i get a 043 error code "one or more items could not be found" |
| 17:19.31 | orjan | stew: thanks |
| 17:19.38 | stew | sniperjo: does it work from non-osx machines? |
| 17:19.51 | sniperjo | stew: yup |
| 17:20.36 | stew | sniperjo: then ask #samba or #osx, doesn't sound like a debian problem at all |
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| 17:21.34 | sniperjo | stew hmm ok the error was "the operation cannot be compleated because one or more items could not be found |
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| 17:22.22 | stew | nykheyn: do you have the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 17:22.47 | nykheyn | stew: how to find that? |
| 17:23.02 | stew | nykheyn: lsmod |
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| 17:23.42 | sobh_ | sata appears as scsi.? cuz /dev/sda is an scsi disk |
| 17:23.50 | stew | sobh_: yes |
| 17:24.00 | nykheyn | stew: usb-uhci 19504 0 (unused) |
| 17:24.00 | nykheyn | usbcore 52268 1 [usb-uhci] |
| 17:24.07 | stew | nykheyn: modprobe usb-storage |
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| 17:24.17 | sobh_ | stew on all distros? |
| 17:24.21 | cheef-daniel | which kernel-headers do I need for an arm-based debian? |
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| 17:25.14 | nykheyn | stew: nothing is happened |
| 17:25.25 | ronove | I can't seem to mount my cdrom.. I tried mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 and variations, but none of them did anything.. how should I do it then? |
| 17:25.33 | stew | nykheyn: check the end of dmesg and consult /proc/partitions again |
| 17:25.46 | stew | sobh_: i don't know, certainly with most (all?) linux drivers |
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| 17:26.12 | stew | ronove: did you get an error message? |
| 17:26.24 | mbn2 | is it possible to compile source packages with altered flags ( not package default ) ? |
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| 17:26.39 | SupraX | hello again, I mounted a usb drive, but I cannot unmount it :D |
| 17:26.42 | stew | mbn2: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
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| 17:27.37 | stew | SupraX: you can't have any open files in the mountpoint, having a shell sitting there with the current directory in the mountpoint counts as an open file, you can use fuser or lsof to figure out which process has a file open |
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| 17:28.06 | nykheyn | stew: now i must do write that command each time i turn on the pc? |
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| 17:28.20 | stew | nykheyn: no, add usb-storage to /etc/modules |
| 17:28.38 | mbn2 | <stew> i read it & the apt howto but i still dont understand where i can for example add --some-flag=enabled |
| 17:28.46 | SupraX | stew: sorry, I had a konqueror windows open, no problem :D |
| 17:28.49 | mojos | whats the current version of kde in stable? |
| 17:29.29 | stew | mbn2: did you read dpkg's factoid about debian/rules? |
| 17:29.39 | djp | when installing debian 3.1 sarge (i select desktop environment and print server) i get a message (while packages are being retrieved) saying "err ftp.debian... ksokoban 4:3.3.2-1". This always seems to happen, with exactly the same package. is this a known problem? |
| 17:29.44 | nykheyn | stew: thanks. now i must reboot and then i've finished? |
| 17:29.55 | stew | nykheyn: there is no reason to reboot |
| 17:30.05 | xam | nykheyn: no need to reboot |
| 17:30.21 | stew | !info kdelibs stable |
| 17:30.24 | dpkg | kdelibs: (KDE core libraries metapackage), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-6.2 (sarge), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 17:30.27 | stew | mojos: ^^^ |
| 17:30.38 | mojos | ahh cool, packages.debian.org is still down.. |
| 17:30.48 | mojos | wasnt sure if dpkg would work or not |
| 17:30.52 | stew | djp: this is during the install process? |
| 17:31.00 | mojos | !info kdelibs unstable |
| 17:31.03 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.5.0-3 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 17:31.05 | mbn2 | <stew> hmm yep. got it |
| 17:31.28 | djp | stew, yes |
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| 17:32.05 | mbn2 | by the way, what is more recomended. i need php5.1 (1) build from source (2) get it from unstable (3) use backports.org |
| 17:32.11 | mojos | !info kdelibs testing |
| 17:32.17 | Momo | qexit |
| 17:32.17 | stew | djp: which image are you using? a netinst? is it a current one? |
| 17:32.18 | nykheyn | stew: howto mount that? i edit the fstab? |
| 17:32.20 | dpkg | kdelibs: (core libraries from the official KDE release), section libs, is optional. Version: 4:3.4.3-2 (etch), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 17:32.29 | djp | netinst 3.1r1 |
| 17:32.29 | stew | mojos: /msg the bot |
| 17:32.43 | mojos | ah ok |
| 17:33.09 | mojos | do most people still use testing for desktop systems? |
| 17:33.12 | stew | djp: have you tried http instead of ftp? |
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| 17:35.22 | mbn2 | is it cosidered safe to use resposetories like backports.org ? |
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| 17:35.41 | azeem | mbn2: backports.org is pretty safe if you only install a couple of packages from there |
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| 17:36.55 | Lee__ | mbn2, if you're paranoid, you can build your own backports |
| 17:37.05 | mbn2 | thats what i think of |
| 17:37.12 | mbn2 | but im not sure. it is for server |
| 17:37.18 | fken | hello i want to setup a network but i am not sure if my eth card is recognized ( i use a pppoe eth connection and i have another eth card) |
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| 17:37.22 | Lee__ | or download the source deb of the backport and look at what it's doing in the debian/ directory |
| 17:37.41 | fken | do someone know? |
| 17:37.59 | mbn2 | for example backports use apache2 with php5. quite drastic i think |
| 17:38.12 | azeem | "use"? |
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| 17:38.23 | Lee__ | mbn2, my guideline is if I feel confortable running it after building from source then installing a package that's already built is no problem as long as I know how it was built. |
| 17:38.26 | azeem | mbn2: a lot of people seem to request apache2+php5 |
| 17:38.44 | azeem | Lee__: do you read the source code? |
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| 17:39.04 | mbn2 | <azeem> true, but debian atitude is to stick with apache1.3 |
| 17:39.18 | azeem | mbn2: Debian attitude? |
| 17:39.19 | Lee__ | azeem, no. just compile settings and maybe postinst commands |
| 17:39.25 | bleaked | im having some issues compiling my nvidia kernel driver. i have always compiled my own kernel, have been for years, and have been using the nvidia-oneliner for my gfx drivers. it has always worked. yesterday, i compiled the 2.6.15 kernel, and now the oneliner is not working. the module assistant fails during the build, refers me to an error log, which doesn't exist. checking other, similarly named error logs in the refered directory, |
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| 17:39.37 | Lee__ | mbn2, my "debian attitude" is th use apache2 from sarge. |
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| 17:39.57 | nykheyn | stew: thak you very much, i've solved the question ;) |
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| 17:41.36 | mbn2 | <Lee__> hmmm. will have to check it |
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| 17:41.54 | djp | stew, sorry, family all arrived home! using http |
| 17:42.09 | Lee__ | apache2 in sarge is excellent. I have it in production on many servers. php5 I can't help you with. Where I work we use 4.3 |
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| 17:42.51 | mbn2 | <Lee__> php warn aginst incompability with apache2 |
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| 17:43.16 | Lee__ | mbn2, I haven't seen any of that imcompatibility. What specifically? |
| 17:43.31 | mbn2 | wait. ill bring you a link |
| 17:43.37 | Lee__ | thanks |
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| 17:46.31 | secher_ | !libxext6 |
| 17:46.40 | mbn2 | <Lee__> its in the INSTALL file f the source. i can paste it to you |
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| 17:47.18 | starfishy | *grumble*y |
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| 17:47.37 | secher_ | dare I ask about libxext6 problems and unmet dependency problems? |
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| 17:47.45 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
| 17:48.07 | DJ-Marcuzz | i was looking for the java install thingy again |
| 17:48.16 | starfishy | i didnt see any libxext problems on this morning's upgrade |
| 17:48.29 | starfishy | what exactly is your system doing? |
| 17:48.31 | pipeline | DJ-Marcuzz: The name of the package is "java-package". The name of the program is "make-jpkg" |
| 17:48.46 | DJ-Marcuzz | oki thx |
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| 17:49.59 | nykheyn | welcome back... when i try to unmount usb key it doesn't perform. on "more details" it says: umount: only root can unmount /dev/sdc from /mnt/USB. fstab line is /dev/sdc /mnt/USB vfat user,noauto,noatime,defaults,rw,umask=000 0 0 |
| 17:50.04 | FrenchMan | ça parle de koi ici? |
| 17:50.25 | DJ-Marcuzz | lol since i put backports in the source list it takes most of the programs from there :P |
| 17:50.45 | nykheyn | FrenchMan: ici on ça parle seulement anglais. |
| 17:50.47 | FrenchMan | is it english speaking channel? |
| 17:50.50 | FrenchMan | ÖkÅÿ |
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| 17:51.22 | philippmaxi | irc://irc.ashnet.org/warezx |
| 17:51.36 | mbn2 | here the link about apache2 & php : http://www.zend.com/manual/install.unix.apache2.php |
| 17:51.41 | sniperjo | how do i mount a samba share using smbclient ? |
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| 17:52.09 | evaluator_model | is there a nice small text editor with UTF-8 support? |
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| 17:53.55 | Lee__ | nykheyn, install pmount |
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| 17:54.31 | Lee__ | nykheyn, if you need to read-only a key you can type 'pmount -s /dev/sda1' and you don't even have to unmount it to take it out. |
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| 17:55.51 | rollerbob | hi, im trying to get my integrated sound card to work with debian sarge, i ran alsaconf but i get nothing, alsa doesnt detect my card, any suggestions_ |
| 17:55.57 | nykheyn | Lee_ : i've already installed pmount... |
| 17:56.10 | azeem | nykheyn: are you running Ubuntu? |
| 17:56.22 | nykheyn | azeem: Debian |
| 17:56.49 | Azar | rollerbob: did you identified the name of your integrated card? ESS Solo? or something? |
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| 17:57.36 | Azar | rollerbob: type lspci and find out what it says for your sound /multimedia card |
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| 17:58.38 | rollerbob | Azar: Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24 etc etc |
| 17:59.00 | Azar | rollerbob: ok, did you load the module for it ? |
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| 17:59.42 | rollerbob | Azar: ehm nope, this is a fresh install of sarge, can you tell me how to do that? |
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| 18:00.07 | Azar | rollerbob: maybe you want to type modconf and look for it and pick it from the lists |
| 18:00.16 | rollerbob | ok |
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| 18:00.40 | Azar | rollerbob: another thing is you might have the oss sound modules running you need to disable or remove them to make room for alsa to load |
| 18:00.40 | nykheyn | good night all |
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| 18:00.56 | DevilChaos | hi |
| 18:01.03 | rollerbob | Azar: it says command not found when i type modconf :/ |
| 18:01.27 | Azar | rollerbob: wow.. that is interesting, SArge installer does not give you modconf? |
| 18:01.33 | Azar | rollerbob: apt-get install modconf |
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| 18:01.41 | bleaked | could someone recommend a small, nice looking kernel console font? |
| 18:01.49 | Azar | ah |
| 18:02.13 | DevilChaos | has any of you used debsecan? lists things as a matter of priority low medium etc ant remote exploits i just wonder what do i do about the things it has pointed out? |
| 18:02.15 | Azar | rollerbob: oh you might have installed with kernel 2.4 ... |
| 18:03.10 | SupraX | bleaked: monospace 12 |
| 18:03.36 | bleaked | SupraX. i don't think that's an option in the kernel. |
| 18:03.46 | bleaked | i'm refering to the kernel console fonts |
| 18:03.50 | Bucciarati | bleaked: i have kernel patches for binary font and lord of the rings font |
| 18:03.51 | bleaked | or can you use that anyway? |
| 18:03.54 | Azar | rollerbob: 1. check your apt sources in /etc/apt/sources.list with "cat" command, see if you get your sources ending in: / stable main non-free contrib if not add those at the end of sources using an editor |
| 18:04.03 | SupraX | don't know, I am using xterm :D |
| 18:04.16 | jair | how do i disable the saslauthd in debian?? :) |
| 18:04.32 | bleaked | SupraX. well, of course, in X you do..but im refering to the boot console font. |
| 18:04.42 | bleaked | Bucciarati. ah nice, where can i find these patches? |
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| 18:05.06 | dumezil | when you connect remotely to an x server and all you see is an xcursor for the mouse, what might be wrong? |
| 18:05.06 | solemnwarning | hi all |
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| 18:05.19 | solemnwarning | i need to upate my Nvidia drivers |
| 18:05.24 | Bucciarati | bleaked: and a tool to convert psf fonts in .c source file to include in the kernel |
| 18:05.28 | solemnwarning | will the nvidia.com installer work? |
| 18:05.32 | Azar | rollerbob: upgrade your kernel to 2.6.8 version 1. use apt-cache search kernel-sources and pick the 2.6.8 ment for your CPU architecture; 2. Install kernel using aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-(your cpu typehere) |
| 18:05.37 | DevilChaos | thats a good question i keep forgetting to ask how do i make the boot up font look better? |
| 18:05.45 | Bucciarati | bleaked: didn't publish it.. :) i'll see if i can find it |
| 18:06.09 | Azar | rollerbob: only AFTER that you can try configuring alsa n such |
| 18:06.10 | bleaked | solemnwarning. /msg dpkg nvidia | also ask him: nvidia one-liner |
| 18:06.20 | rollerbob | Azar: i installed modconf, i found my card but still alsa doesnt detect it |
| 18:06.27 | bleaked | solemnwarning. dpkg will tell all. |
| 18:06.28 | rollerbob | it*- |
| 18:06.51 | solemnwarning | :\ |
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| 18:06.56 | Jmax | what's that ncurses gui fro update-rc.d again? |
| 18:06.58 | Azar | rollerbob: a 2.6.8 kernel has more hardware/drivers support, install it if you do not have it |
| 18:06.58 | solemnwarning | what files does it overwrite? |
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| 18:07.23 | Bucciarati | bleaked: i can put somewhere the tool for psf-to-c if you are interested |
| 18:07.29 | rollerbob | Azar: whats the command to check if i have a 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:07.37 | Azar | rollerbob: installing a precompiled kernel is no such a biggie, unlike compiling your own.. |
| 18:07.45 | Bucciarati | bleaked: but you can edit /usr/share/consolefonts/*.psf with cfe (apt-cache show cfe) |
| 18:07.46 | Azar | rollerbob: uname -a |
| 18:07.50 | lightcap | is there an upper limit on processes for a debian box and is it a hard limit, or is it based on hardware? |
| 18:08.05 | rollerbob | Azar: yeah im in 2.4 :( |
| 18:08.28 | Azar | rollerbob: thats ok you can get a supported, precompiled and offered 2.6.8 with no pain |
| 18:08.31 | lightcap | for a 2.4.x kernel anyhow |
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| 18:08.41 | bleaked | solemnwarning. what? just run: aptitude install nvidia-kernel-source, then the "nvidia one-liner" dpkg told you and you'll have new nvidia drivers. |
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| 18:08.49 | Azar | rollerbob: what CPU are you using? |
| 18:09.06 | solemnwarning | since nvidia.com installer wont work should i use the "-t unstable" switch when installing drivers to get new version? |
| 18:09.14 | solemnwarning | ... |
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| 18:09.19 | solemnwarning | i ALREADY have the debian ones |
| 18:09.23 | solemnwarning | they are old |
| 18:09.32 | Azar | nvidia installer DOES NOT work with Debian |
| 18:09.37 | solemnwarning | I KNOW |
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| 18:09.47 | Azar | solemnwarning: so remove it |
| 18:09.48 | solemnwarning | I SAID SHOULD I USE -T UNSTABLE?? |
| 18:09.59 | bleaked | solemnwarning. please do not shout. |
| 18:10.03 | Azar | solemnwarning: I said remove it and get it the Debian way |
| 18:10.09 | rvalles | please, stop the shouting. |
| 18:10.11 | solemnwarning | i dont have the nvidia.com one |
| 18:10.29 | Azar | !nvidia one liner |
| 18:10.29 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 18:10.32 | solemnwarning | im asking howto install a newer driver without using nvidia.com |
| 18:10.33 | Azar | solemnwarning: ^^^^ |
| 18:10.38 | bleaked | Azar. you're not helping |
| 18:10.45 | bleaked | he wants the latest driver |
| 18:10.50 | Azar | bleaked, you are right.. |
| 18:10.56 | bleaked | and he's probably in sarge and not getting it |
| 18:11.11 | Azar | so he can go up on unstable.. |
| 18:11.12 | solemnwarning | why are debian developers alergic to updating? |
| 18:11.15 | bleaked | Azar. sorry..i just referred him to the one-liner a second ago. |
| 18:11.21 | Azar | ah |
| 18:11.58 | bleaked | solemnwarning. they're not..they care about stability. a lot of debian users use it in production environments and cannot risk releasing unstable software. |
| 18:12.03 | Azar | solemnwarning: when a version is released, means all packages available to it are "dedicated" as being thoroughly checked, anything new coming after is "new and untested" |
| 18:12.15 | solemnwarning | ... |
| 18:12.17 | bleaked | solemnwarning. if you want the latest drivers, you'll have to either wait, or run unstable. |
| 18:12.26 | Azar | new packages will be checked , tested, fixed and implemented on the next stable release |
| 18:12.27 | solemnwarning | normally this "new and untested" stuff is better |
| 18:12.38 | solemnwarning | the next stable release is probably in a few years |
| 18:12.39 | Azar | solemnwarning: ...... |
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| 18:12.51 | solemnwarning | and the nvidia driver in sarge has a few bugs btw |
| 18:12.55 | solemnwarning | -_- |
| 18:13.01 | solemnwarning | thats why i want an update |
| 18:13.05 | Azar | anyone has the freedom to use: stable, testing or unstable |
| 18:13.13 | bleaked | solemnwarning. like we said, run testing or unstable |
| 18:13.22 | rollerbob | Azar: should i get kernel-tree-2.6.8? |
| 18:13.37 | rvalles | solemnwarning: who forces you to run stable? |
| 18:13.38 | dumezil | when you connect remotely to an x server and all you see is an xcursor for the mouse, what might be wrong? |
| 18:13.41 | Azar | rollerbob: , no , the kernel-source is the keyword |
| 18:14.05 | rvalles | solemnwarning: why do you insist on using something that is only released in years (your own words), when you want something more up to date? |
| 18:14.11 | Azar | rollerbob: kernel-source-2.6.8(with your cpu type attached here) |
| 18:14.15 | sniperjo | How can i mount a samba share ? |
| 18:14.18 | rvalles | solemnwarning: it's entirely your fault; you _do_ have the choice. |
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| 18:14.20 | solemnwarning | because i dont want to reinstall |
| 18:14.23 | rollerbob | Azar: when i type apt-cache search kernel-source i get those results, kernel-tree-2.6.8 |
| 18:14.39 | rvalles | solemnwarning: you needn't. Can just upgrade. |
| 18:14.45 | Azar | rollerbob: you get a looong list of them ... look for yours |
| 18:14.50 | bleaked | solemnwarning. you don't reinstall. it's called dist-upgrade. man apt-get |
| 18:14.57 | Azar | hmm |
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| 18:14.59 | Azar | wait |
| 18:15.06 | solemnwarning | will "apt-get -t unstable upgrade nvidia*" work? |
| 18:15.11 | rvalles | bleaked: I'd rather use aptitude dist-ugrade |
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| 18:15.31 | uau | solemnwarning: if you just want one package and its dependencies, use "update package-name" instead of upgrade |
| 18:15.36 | Azar | rollerbob: my bad im dizzy : look for kernel-image |
| 18:15.37 | bleaked | rvalles. yes, me as well..i just said that out of habit. |
| 18:15.41 | TriKster-Abacus | dumezil, did you configure your ~/.xinitrc to launch a wm? |
| 18:15.47 | uau | solemnwarning: "upgrade" means all packages on your system |
| 18:15.51 | solemnwarning | ... |
| 18:15.58 | solemnwarning | update means update the package list |
| 18:15.59 | Azar | rollerbob: kernel-image-2.6.8(yourcpu type here) |
| 18:16.01 | solemnwarning | -_- |
| 18:16.15 | uau | solemnwarning: doh i meant "install", not "update" |
| 18:16.24 | djp | i think i have discovered why i get the err message when packages are downloading on install for a certain package. ksokoban does not appear to be present in any of the uk ftp or http mirror sites. i gather if it existed there it would be listed in the /pool/main/ directory. it seems though, that by running aptitude, the missing packages are fixed. |
| 18:16.29 | solemnwarning | install will upgrade an already installed package? |
| 18:16.33 | uau | yes |
| 18:16.42 | solemnwarning | ok |
| 18:16.43 | Azar | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 18:17.31 | rollerbob | Azar: ok installing, it will configure all by itself right? |
| 18:17.43 | uau | solemnwarning: but only updating some packages on your system from stable to current unstable might cause more problems than updating them all... |
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| 18:18.13 | Azar | rollerbob: just watch the screen you might get prompts or even modconf screen so you have to interact but is not hard.. |
| 18:18.36 | solemnwarning | what files does nvidia installer overwrite that will screw up the system? |
| 18:18.52 | sniperjo | HOW CAN I MOUNT A SAMBA SHARE ? |
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| 18:19.07 | tiCo89 | sniperjo: apt-get install smbfs |
| 18:19.11 | solemnwarning | sniperjo: mount.cifs |
| 18:19.11 | azeem | sniperjo: please do nt write in all caps |
| 18:19.18 | solemnwarning | smbfs is old |
| 18:19.21 | Azar | rollerbob: allways you have to take care from the bottom up, meaning distro , kernel, and drivers first, then jump to video/audio stuff |
| 18:19.28 | tiCo89 | mount -s smbfs //server/share /mountpoint -o rw,usernme=sniperjo |
| 18:19.28 | sniperjo | thanks |
| 18:19.42 | tiCo89 | s/-s/-t |
| 18:19.44 | solemnwarning | does anyone know what files nvidia installer overwrites?? |
| 18:19.50 | sniperjo | sorry, but i diddnt get hurd before |
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| 18:20.22 | Bucciarati | solemnwarning: dpkg -l nvidia_package_name |
| 18:20.32 | peppo | I made an error when I didn't tell APT/dpkg to install the package maintainer's version of "hal". how can I redo this? dpkg-reconfigure hal somehow? |
| 18:20.43 | solemnwarning | i mean the nvidia.com installer |
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| 18:20.54 | solemnwarning | cant i backup the files it overwrites before running it? |
| 18:21.01 | peppo | er, I mean the package maintainer's version of /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal. it had been edited for debug purposes. |
| 18:21.06 | Bucciarati | solemnwarning: it will have a package name |
| 18:21.08 | rollerbob | Azar: ok its done, i have to boot from the new kernel now? |
| 18:21.16 | solemnwarning | Bucciarati no it wont |
| 18:21.22 | solemnwarning | ITS FROM NVIDIA.COM! |
| 18:21.24 | Azar | rollerbob: Sarge comes with default oss modules which will autoload, you need to 1. identify them 2. disable or remove them 3. check for alsa modules and add them if you do not see them "snd_" is the alsa id modules |
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| 18:21.46 | MyWay | hi |
| 18:21.48 | Azar | rollerbob you will need to reboot so the new kernel will load |
| 18:22.35 | MyWay | I have a question.. How can i write on a NTFS partition? I know is some risk but i only have to copy some files.. |
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| 18:23.31 | djp | am i correct that if a package is not present in the pool directory of a certain mirror then it will not install when first installing debian? |
| 18:23.39 | jelly | MyWay: captive-ntfs worked for me a while ago. There are also commercial solutions. |
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| 18:23.54 | Kerr | How can i alias a command, eg, so i type backport mozilla-firefox instead of sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install mozilla-firefox ? |
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| 18:24.11 | MyWay | jelly i'll search something about it thanks |
| 18:24.13 | peppo | how can I make apt/dpkg ask me again if I want to overwrite a modified /etc/dbus-1/event.d/20hal? |
| 18:24.32 | peppo | dpkg -i <package.deb> doesn't do it. |
| 18:24.34 | jelly | dpkg, tell MyWay about captive |
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| 18:25.38 | luulis_ | Kerr: in bash, .bashrc or something: alias backport="sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install" |
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| 18:25.55 | peppo | can I just remove 20hal and hope it reinstalls it? |
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| 18:26.04 | jak | Hi, I'm getting Digest::MD5 object version 2.33 does not match bootstrap parameter 2.20 at /usr/lib/perl/5.8/DynaLoader.pm line 245. Can anybody help me please? |
| 18:26.20 | jak | This is when I run apt-get install -f |
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| 18:27.19 | djp | am i correct that if a package is not present in the pool directory of a certain mirror then it will not install when first installing debian? |
| 18:27.33 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 18:27.34 | spundun | hi.. on my debian testing machine.. how can I temporarily disable mysqld from starting at boot? |
| 18:27.45 | tyler | any way to diy repair brother all-in-one mfc with error 41?? pls help |
| 18:27.49 | pipeline | spundun: chmod a-x /etc/init.d/mysql ? |
| 18:27.50 | elephantMan | Is there a software that can check all attributed IP on a LAN ? |
| 18:28.01 | pipeline | elephantMan: nmap |
| 18:28.05 | elephantMan | If possible graphically |
| 18:28.17 | peppo | neither dpkg-reconfigure or dpkg-preconfigure will let me reconfigure the overwriting of the /etc/debus-1/event.d/20hal file. |
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| 18:29.57 | soymilk | spundun: change the rc link prefix for your default runlevel from S to R |
| 18:30.12 | soymilk | spundun: i meant, from S to K |
| 18:30.23 | Minase | hallo. since i upgraded to etch (apt-get dist-upgrade), xterm breaks with XIM. it gives the error: 'Preparation of font set "*" for XIM failed.' (i am using im-ja-xim-server, and this particular configuration has been working for a year+). does anyone have any idea what the problem is? i tried RTFS but i don't know enough about x font internals to guess what to fix... |
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| 18:31.15 | spundun | soymilk: where will I find the rc link prefix? :( (sorry thats probably a very ignorant question) |
| 18:31.44 | soymilk | spundun: /etc/rcN.d where N is your default runlevel. "grep default /etc/inittab" |
| 18:32.05 | blondie | grep grap grop |
| 18:32.13 | spundun | ok |
| 18:32.31 | sniperjo | does anyone know of an apple IRC chanel here ? |
| 18:32.58 | pureone | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.59 | blondie | sniperjo: macos? |
| 18:33.09 | blondie | +x |
| 18:33.12 | sniperjo | blodie: yup |
| 18:33.30 | blondie | i mean #macosx sorry |
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| 18:33.50 | morphex | i have a system that gives me feedback in norwegian on the command line.. how do i change that to english? |
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| 18:34.21 | sniperjo | blondie: spanks |
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| 18:34.39 | soymilk | morphex: apt-get install locales localeconf; dpkg-reconfigure localeconf and set LC_LANG to english or whatever |
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| 18:34.58 | ph8|2 | hi all, I upgraded my mysql server recently to 5.x and now I can't connect from my old debian stable build - i've tried getting the new RPMs, converting them with alien and loading them but it still freezes after the password prompt (the connection attempt, I assume) - anyone come across this problem and/or think of a solution? ;) |
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| 18:35.09 | blondie | sniperjo: kinky |
| 18:35.19 | soymilk | morphex: or just make sure the system-wide locale is english and leave all LC_ values in localeconf to default |
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| 18:35.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | whats the best program tu use when downloading with nzb? i heard about nzb perl? |
| 18:35.59 | soymilk | morphex: or, if you want system-wide to be different, just set LC_LANG in your .bashrc or profile |
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| 18:36.08 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | hi |
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| 18:36.18 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | how di i connect / disconnect my ethernet modem? |
| 18:36.29 | ph8|2 | man ifup |
| 18:36.30 | ph8|2 | man ifdown |
| 18:36.35 | ph8|2 | and/or pull out the plug |
| 18:36.36 | Prudhvi | ppl i have removed Apache2 using apt-get remove --purge apache2 |
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| 18:36.43 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 18:36.44 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | ok thanks ph8 |
| 18:36.45 | morphex | soymilk, yep |
| 18:36.45 | soymilk | ph8|2: rpms? |
| 18:36.45 | Prudhvi | but it is not removing the config files |
| 18:36.46 | morphex | thx |
| 18:36.49 | spundun | soymilk: ok.. so I moved S20mysql to K20mysql.. right? Also there is an S21mysql-ndb there also... do I have to move that also? |
| 18:36.50 | POVaddct | silly things to put in your .bashrc: export PROMPT_COMMAND=eject ;) |
| 18:36.53 | ph8|2 | there's nothing on apt? |
| 18:36.58 | sobh_ | anyone have a good manual for SSH and Keys, need to figure out how to get insight manager to connect to my deb box |
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| 18:37.23 | soymilk | spundun: don't know what that is but i would also to be safe |
| 18:37.24 | ph8|2 | I think the man pages are fairly good sobh |
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| 18:37.32 | ph8|2 | look up ssh_keygen |
| 18:37.34 | ph8|2 | and rsa |
| 18:37.35 | spundun | ok thanks |
| 18:37.51 | soymilk | spundun: then you have to manually shut it down with /etc/init.d/mysql stop at next boot it will not automatically start |
| 18:37.54 | ph8|2 | soymilk: I couldn't find any apt packages, do you think it's a case of adding the unstable/testing repos'es? might cock up my stable install a bit |
| 18:38.10 | spundun | right |
| 18:38.30 | djp | why do i get err messages when retrieving packages on install? i have only noticed one package with such a message. netinst by the way |
| 18:38.42 | abrotman | what kind of error ? |
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| 18:39.19 | soymilk | ph8|2: prolly |
| 18:39.34 | soymilk | ph8|2: maybe there's a backport at apt-get.org? |
| 18:39.54 | djp | abrotman, err http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ stable main ksokoban 4:3.3.2-1 |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | what kind of error .. |
| 18:40.27 | ph8 | yes kerr |
| 18:40.27 | Kerr | How can i alias a command, eg, so i type backport mozilla-firefox instead of sudo apt-get -t sarge-backports install mozilla-firefox ? I already have a few neat little scripts in usr/bin for starting wine stuff, but i've no idea how to make it recognise stuff writter the scriptname. |
| 18:40.30 | ph8 | with a simple bassh script |
| 18:40.36 | Kerr | err |
| 18:40.43 | ph8 | make a new file called 'backport' in /usr/bin (check it doesn't already exist) |
| 18:40.51 | djp | abrotman, normally says get instead of err |
| 18:41.01 | ph8 | #!/bin/bash \n apt-get -t sarge-backports install $1 \n exit; |
| 18:41.02 | ph8 | I think that's right |
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| 18:41.09 | ph8 | then chmod +x /usr/bin/backport |
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| 18:41.30 | djp | abrotman, i gather it has had trouble retrieving the package, though this happens everytime for the same package. 3 attempts so far |
| 18:41.38 | abrotman | djp: apt-get update .. try again |
| 18:41.52 | Kerr | will do, thanks :) |
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| 18:42.26 | djp | abrotman, yep. that seems to fix things. i use aptitude and it fixes a few packages. i gather it must be an issue with the initial install using netinst then? |
| 18:42.42 | abrotman | djp: tis possible ... |
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| 18:43.16 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | how can i disconnect my ethernet modem? |
| 18:44.13 | abrotman | disconnect in order to do what? |
| 18:45.08 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | i want simple know how to disconnect my modem |
| 18:45.12 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | i haven't to do anything.. |
| 18:45.12 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | :P |
| 18:45.14 | abrotman | unplug it |
| 18:45.17 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | how? |
| 18:45.20 | ph8|2 | soymilk: it's the latest version - does that still count as a backport? I can't find anything called mysql5-client or similar |
| 18:45.22 | abrotman | with your hands |
| 18:45.25 | Ronin | pull the cable |
| 18:45.28 | abrotman | !it |
| 18:45.28 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 18:45.55 | SlayerS`BoxeR` | isn't there a command? |
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| 18:49.07 | POVaddct | .oO(whatever he meant by a "ethernet modem") |
| 18:49.13 | bleaked | ok, so I have my kernel boot into framebuffer, with a set font of my choosing. about halfway through boot, the font changes and framebuffer is no more. It is right after it says "Setting up general console font" (or something to that effect) -- so where and how can i disable this in order to keep my bootsplash/framebuffer image and font active? |
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| 18:50.39 | DJ-Marcuzz | does one of you run xfce4? |
| 18:50.52 | bleaked | DJ-Marcuzz: used to |
| 18:51.20 | marculix | DJ-Marcuzz: yes |
| 18:51.55 | Coweater | surveys... |
| 18:52.03 | DJ-Marcuzz | well the menu at the botem of the screen, you can make shortcuts there, so i tought lets make shortcits for amule and azureus (they aren't in the rightklick menu, hoow can i get them there 2?), but how can i give them an nice icon? |
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| 18:52.10 | Znh | hello |
| 18:52.13 | abrotman | Znh: hi |
| 18:52.17 | Znh | and good evening |
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| 18:52.41 | DJ-Marcuzz | no surveys, Coweater, only looking if there are people who could answer |
| 18:52.41 | abrotman | Znh: how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
| 18:52.55 | Znh | I'd like to configure my network automaticly, I thought: by adjusting /etc/network/interfaces, all fine except the gateway part. Where can I automaticly configure to use some default gw? |
| 18:53.05 | abrotman | not much of a bot |
| 18:53.15 | abrotman | Znh: man 5 interfaces |
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| 18:53.48 | Znh | abrotman: yeah I know, freenode staffers messed with my hostname =P |
| 18:53.50 | Coweater | DJ-Marcuzz: you can guess and just give the app name in hopes an icon exists, or do a locate on the app name and grep for svg or png to find an appropriate icon, failing that download one |
| 18:53.58 | Znh | abrotman: I cant find the gateway part? |
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| 18:54.05 | Znh | abrotman: nevermind |
| 18:54.09 | abrotman | Znh: got it? |
| 18:54.25 | Znh | abrotman: yeah, I had gw instead of gateway |
| 18:54.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | Coweater, could you explain some more of that. a bit slower ;) |
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| 18:54.54 | adrakoa | hi |
| 18:54.54 | Znh | sshd and stuff are automaticly loaded after booting right? (after installing it :>) |
| 18:55.12 | Coweater | DJ-Marcuzz: locate amule|grep png |
| 18:55.48 | DJ-Marcuzz | nothing |
| 18:55.49 | POVaddct | Znh: yes, as long as /etc/ssh/NOSERVER does not exist |
| 18:55.56 | Znh | Allright |
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| 18:56.15 | Coweater | DJ-Marcuzz: then download an icon and toss it in a hidden folder and use it |
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| 18:56.56 | DJ-Marcuzz | yeah, and where is a "duh!" place to find nan icon :S |
| 18:56.59 | POVaddct | Znh: but test it before booting the machine unattended |
| 18:57.23 | abrotman | damn your sensibility |
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| 18:59.19 | krikke | hello |
| 18:59.32 | krikke | i'm looking for a program to record line-in audio on my debian fluxbox pc |
| 18:59.50 | krikke | its a p1 233mhz so graphical programs like audacity are slow |
| 18:59.54 | stew | krikke: audacity if you want gui, sound-recorder if you just want cli |
| 19:00.18 | Znh | krikke: try ratpoison instead of fluxbox |
| 19:00.23 | krikke | ok |
| 19:00.34 | stew | ion3 runs quicker and is much easier to learn than ratpoison |
| 19:00.38 | DJ-Marcuzz | it works :) |
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| 19:01.01 | krikke | but fluxbox runs smoothly |
| 19:01.05 | spundun | close |
| 19:01.09 | dumezil | im trying to remotly log into my solaris 7 box, but when i do from a debian desktop all i get is a grey desktop and no login box... what causes this? |
| 19:01.10 | spundun | sorry |
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| 19:01.23 | abrotman | fluxbox is not his problem |
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| 19:02.05 | Znh | part of the problem |
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| 19:02.13 | Znh | fluxbox has quite allot of graphics (compared to ratposion/ion3) |
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| 19:02.45 | Ronin | heh fluxbox and lots of graphics in the same sentence, i wonder what Znh thinks about kde and gnome :) |
| 19:02.48 | abrotman | it really doesn't |
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| 19:03.01 | Pollywog | can any of you see this in Linux: http://www.ksc.nasa.gov/nasadirect/video/ksc_011506_newhorizons.wmx |
| 19:03.07 | abrotman | fluxbox is a pretty minimal WM .. i used blackbox on a 486 with 36MB with no issues |
| 19:03.10 | Znh | Ronin, the biggest resource whores |
| 19:03.17 | abrotman | other than emacs! |
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| 19:03.44 | blondie | o.O |
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| 19:03.50 | speccy | right can some one tell me why i get bad downloads speeds on a 4 meg connection. |
| 19:03.51 | Znh | Ronin, not making it any bad |
| 19:03.53 | Pollywog | I can't see it with mplayer or xine |
| 19:04.03 | dumezil | can anyone help me with a xdmcp question? when i try to connect to my solaris server with another solaris client, or with a cygwin windows box, it all works, but when i try with my debian box, it doesn't work... all i get is a grey desktop and no login box |
| 19:04.08 | abrotman | speccy: bad host |
| 19:04.13 | grumpydog | speccy MTU size |
| 19:04.14 | Znh | speccy: might be a server-side issue? or same things on local network? |
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| 19:04.41 | grumpydog | I am on 8MB here |
| 19:04.52 | Znh | I am on 64MB here |
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| 19:05.11 | grumpydog | Znh impressive. |
| 19:05.11 | dumezil | YEAH how big is my dick again? |
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| 19:05.57 | Spec | dumezil: just a few kbs |
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| 19:06.02 | grumpydog | Justin I was wondering. |
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| 19:06.19 | Znh | Justin, better be :P |
| 19:06.40 | dumezil | Spec haha me too |
| 19:06.42 | grumpydog | When we had the Gentoo meeting at Salford University we only got 55Mb a sec. |
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| 19:06.56 | grumpydog | that was wireless |
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| 19:07.16 | Znh | that sucks |
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| 19:07.28 | dumezil | can anyone help me with a xdmcp question? when i try to connect to my solaris server with another solaris client, or with a cygwin windows box, it all works, but when i try with my debian box, it doesn't work... all i get is a grey desktop and no login box |
| 19:07.40 | Justin | dumezil: how are you connecting |
| 19:07.44 | dumezil | local lan |
| 19:07.47 | speccy | how do i fix this as i got the 4meg for better download speed and im getting just the same as i did on 1meg. |
| 19:07.50 | Spec | grumpydog: mbps or mbs? |
| 19:07.52 | grumpydog | Znh it was a new network set up, picking up the wireless was bity of a nightmare. |
| 19:08.04 | Justin | dumezil: what did you do to get the grey desktop and no login box |
| 19:08.05 | bleaked | i have my kernel set up to boot into framebuffer w/ it's own font. halfway through the boot, it jumps to the default console font right after saying "Setting general console font" (or something to that effect) -- how can i disable or change this? |
| 19:08.05 | grumpydog | Spec Mbps |
| 19:08.08 | Znh | grumpydog: heh yeah, wireless is tricky :( |
| 19:08.09 | Lee__ | why is NFS lame? is there an alternative that fails more gracefully? |
| 19:08.11 | Spec | ah, ok |
| 19:08.17 | Znh | ah Mbps |
| 19:08.19 | Justin | Lee__: fails gracefully how? |
| 19:08.19 | Spec | 'cause 55 Mbs is crazy |
| 19:08.19 | Znh | thats quite good |
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| 19:08.35 | Spec | the most i've seen was 2 Mb/s |
| 19:08.45 | Lee__ | Justin, notifies processes that are doing I/O to the volume that it has been disconnected. |
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| 19:08.49 | Spec | a linux iso downloaded in a few seconds...crazy |
| 19:08.54 | grumpydog | You should think so from one of the biggest pipes in a very large University here in the UK |
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| 19:08.56 | dbi | dumezil: a wild guess: maybe your X server is not allowed to listen for network connections? |
| 19:09.13 | jazanias | como entro no debian brasil??? |
| 19:09.17 | jazanias | :D |
| 19:09.19 | Justin | Lee__: see the mount man page, the difference between 'hard' and 'soft' |
| 19:09.22 | blondie | !pt |
| 19:09.22 | dpkg | por favor use #debian-br para ajuda em portugues. |
| 19:09.31 | Lee__ | Justin, thanks |
| 19:09.38 | dumezil | Justin i open up a terminal and type "X :1 -query hostname" i get an error back saying "cannot open display" |
| 19:09.42 | Justin | Spec: most sites on the internet can't send you data fast enough |
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| 19:10.00 | jazanias | dpkg, onde faço isso? |
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| 19:10.23 | PCline | from where do i get xmms-mp3 plugins ? |
| 19:10.30 | speccy | look got to put me son to bed now so ill be back soon. laters. |
| 19:10.31 | Znh | how can I remove items from startup? |
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| 19:10.37 | Justin | dumezil: an error from what? |
| 19:10.47 | stew | Znh: install and run rcconf |
| 19:10.47 | PCline | Znh Menu Editor |
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| 19:10.57 | Znh | PCline: :/ ? |
| 19:10.57 | grumpydog | http://www.xmms.org |
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| 19:11.16 | PCline | Znh i edit my menu with menu edit ;) |
| 19:11.29 | jariep1__ | i am trying to remove phpmyadmin but there is a bug that won't allow removal throught apt-get... if i remove it manually, how do i remove it from showing up in apt as installed? |
| 19:11.39 | dumezil | Justin: so i run X :1 -query hostname and it shows a grey screen and an x for the cursor, but no login screen or antyhing. if i let it sit for like 5 minutes, it kicks back out and i have that error in my terminal |
| 19:11.46 | Spec | dpkg --purge phpmyadmin |
| 19:11.46 | stew | jariep1__: what bug? |
| 19:11.54 | Spec | but that's not recommended |
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| 19:12.01 | stew | and it won't work |
| 19:12.12 | jariep1__ | stew, Bug#322139: phpmyadmin: |
| 19:12.42 | jariep1__ | strange thing though, is that ucf is installed |
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| 19:13.10 | jariep1__ | http://www.archivum.info/linux.debian.bugs.dist/2005-08/msg03599.html |
| 19:13.12 | Justin | dumezil: what is the exact error |
| 19:13.15 | stew | jariep1__: the recommended thing then would be to edit the postrm script so that it completes without error |
| 19:13.36 | bleaked | can someone please explain how to disable debian from switching from kernel framebuffer to it's default console font? |
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| 19:14.19 | dumezil | Justin: "XDMCP fatal error: Session failed Session 9 failed for display 192.168.2.181:1 Cannot open display" 181 is my linux desktop |
| 19:14.31 | Znh | at debian, where has fortune his files saved? |
| 19:14.32 | grumpydog | try th PHPmyadmin docs here http://www.linuxguruz.com |
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| 19:14.36 | jariep1__ | stew, ok |
| 19:14.45 | Justin | dumezil: does Xnest :1 -query hostname work any better? |
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| 19:15.07 | stew | bleaked: you mean it boots in one font then switches? |
| 19:15.15 | PCline | hey guys a simple stupid question. i have a few rpm package , how do i install them manually ?, ( i was using fedora befora and i install package usin " rpm " command which is not supported in debian ) |
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| 19:15.47 | stew | PCline: "/msg dpkg alien" however its rarely the best way to install something, what are the rpms for? |
| 19:15.52 | Eulex | PCline, get them as debs if possible. if not possible, use alien. |
| 19:15.55 | grumpydog | PCline just get the tar.gz |
| 19:16.02 | bleaked | stew. yes, i have my kernel to jump right into framebuffer w/ a tux logo and a smaller font..then suddenly it changes halfway through boot right after it says, "setting general console font" or something to that effect. |
| 19:16.31 | stew | bleaked: i believe that is done by /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
| 19:16.31 | PCline | grumpydog well i think rpm its a lot easyer to install |
| 19:16.36 | dumezil1 | Justin: did you get my last message? |
| 19:16.46 | bleaked | stew. ok, is there a way to disable this? |
| 19:16.56 | grumpydog | make sure it is the right architecture PCline |
| 19:16.58 | Spec | rpm + easier = wtf? |
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| 19:17.12 | ronove | Ok, here's the problem: I can't seem to mount my cdrom drive. It keeps telling me that it didn't find a device |
| 19:17.14 | grumpydog | then just tar zxvf |
| 19:17.20 | stew | PCline: installing rpms on debian is dangerous |
| 19:17.29 | Spec | use alien to change the rpm into a deb if need be |
| 19:17.32 | grumpydog | filename and build. |
| 19:17.44 | PCline | stew so you think it might be better to use alien ? |
| 19:17.48 | Justin | dumezil1: don't think so |
| 19:17.52 | grumpydog | ./configire ,make&& |
| 19:17.55 | PCline | stew is there any repo available with xmms-mp3 ? |
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| 19:17.59 | stew | PCline: no, i'm talking about using alien |
| 19:18.05 | PCline | stew or does debian have amarok ? |
| 19:18.08 | stew | PCline: what does xmms-mp3 do? |
| 19:18.12 | grumpydog | hiya bucky :) |
| 19:18.12 | Spec | it's better to get a deb package in the first place |
| 19:18.16 | dbi | PCline, sure debian has amarok! |
| 19:18.18 | bucky | hi grumpydog |
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| 19:18.28 | PCline | stew its a mpe support for xmms |
| 19:18.32 | grumpydog | bucky still got my necklace on =) |
| 19:18.36 | PCline | dbi with mp3 support ? |
| 19:18.49 | bleaked | stew. can i safely disable this script, and if so, how exactly? |
| 19:18.50 | stew | bleaked: if you remove the link from /etc/rcS.d |
| 19:18.55 | grumpydog | PCline I think Icecast has support |
| 19:18.56 | dbi | PCline, mp3 or mpe ? mp3 - sure, mpe - I don't know |
| 19:19.02 | bucky | cool.. private isn't listed by nickserv anymore grumpydog |
| 19:19.11 | PCline | dbi mp3 |
| 19:19.16 | PCline | ok |
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| 19:19.20 | grumpydog | buckt spot on =) |
| 19:19.26 | grumpydog | *bucky |
| 19:19.28 | dbi | PCline, I listen mp3's all day with amarok. and xmms too :) |
| 19:19.47 | PCline | dbi from where di you get the mp3 support for xmms ? |
| 19:19.57 | Solid | hey anyone know PHP5.1 (*.deb) For Debian 3.1 Sarge? |
| 19:20.00 | bucky | grumpydog: wait.. i found.. nm :) |
| 19:20.25 | dbi | PCline, I beleive is it in the package. no need to install anything additional. What makes you thing xmms does not support mp3? |
| 19:20.41 | stew | Solid: if they are anywhere it would be on dotdeb.org, but we won't support those debs here |
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| 19:21.00 | ph8|2 | anyone know how ettercap works these days? |
| 19:21.03 | PCline | dbi on any orther distro i hade use xmms i have to install xmms-mp3 , (suse fedora centos ... |
| 19:21.04 | grumpydog | PCline I said http://www.xmms.org/plugins.php |
| 19:21.05 | dumezil1 | Justin: this is the error i get "XDMCP fatal error: Session ended Session 11 failed for display 192.168.2.181:1: Cannot open display" |
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| 19:21.29 | Solid | ive tried them but give me errors Apache is running a threaded MPM, but your PHP Module is not compiled to be threadsafe. You need to recompile PHP |
| 19:21.29 | bleaked | what is the protocol for removing items from /etc/rcS.d? just delete it? move it? use a script? |
| 19:21.32 | stew | PCline: xmms plays mp3s out of the box on debian, unles "mpe" that you mentioned is something different |
| 19:21.33 | PCline | grumpydog there is no mp3 plugin man |
| 19:21.47 | ph8|2 | i used to just be able to get ettercap and run it and see my packets |
| 19:21.50 | PCline | stew i didnt said mpe or did i ? |
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| 19:21.58 | SperMite | if i just want to install kdes base, how do i that? kde.bin? |
| 19:22.02 | grumpydog | PCline, let me check I use a plugin |
| 19:22.08 | dbi | PCline, a quich search with "apt-cache search xmms mp3" reveals "xmms-mad - mp3 input plugin for xmms based on libmad". maybe this is what you need? |
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| 19:22.12 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:22.23 | PCline | stew soory then |
| 19:22.36 | stew | PCline: you only need the xmms pacakge |
| 19:22.41 | PCline | dbi yep |
| 19:22.47 | PCline | stew ok then |
| 19:23.00 | vin` | bleaked: /msg dpkg services |
| 19:23.04 | stew | PCline: dbi: xmms-mad makes xmms use a different decoder instead of the built in mp3 decoder |
| 19:23.18 | PCline | stew ok thanks |
| 19:23.21 | S4nD3r | how do I setup my default shell ? |
| 19:23.25 | stew | (so he doesn't need xmms-mad) |
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| 19:23.35 | dbi | stew: I just realised that most probably this is tha case :) |
| 19:23.39 | ronove | when I do 'mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0', it tells me 'No medium found' |
| 19:23.40 | stew | unless he's on a machine with very poor floating point performance |
| 19:23.49 | dbi | S4nD3r, man chsh |
| 19:23.54 | stew | ronove: is there a cd in the drive? |
| 19:24.04 | ronove | stew: yes |
| 19:24.15 | ronove | stew: an audio cd |
| 19:24.19 | bucky | Solid: php only gets along with apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 19:24.23 | stew | ronove: that means it thinks there is no cd in the drive, or you are trying to do something like mounting a cdrw in a cdrom that doesn't support it |
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| 19:24.31 | geko | is there anyone with a asus a6va? |
| 19:24.34 | stew | ronove: you can't mount an audio cd, it doesn't have a filesystem on it |
| 19:24.40 | grumpydog | PCline if you have no luck reagrding the plug-in I will upload ftp it. |
| 19:24.52 | grumpydog | I forgot where I got mine |
| 19:24.53 | ronove | stew: oh, ok then |
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| 19:25.11 | Justin | dumezil1: strange... Haven't used Xdmcp in years.. don't remember the issues involved |
| 19:25.21 | SupraX | geko: I4ve go two in my garrage. No, just kidding. |
| 19:25.38 | geko | SupraX: do you have or not? |
| 19:25.45 | PCline | ok now i need another thing, i know there is a gui tool for debian that allows me to configure the runnin services.. whats the name of it :) its not on the debian base package |
| 19:25.51 | Justin | dumezil1: you can call startx with 'ssh -X hostname windowmanager' -- :1 and it should do mostly the same thing |
| 19:25.56 | stew | PCline: rcconf |
| 19:26.04 | PCline | grumpydog i got it already , thans a lot |
| 19:26.32 | grumpydog | PCline, I should upload it to ftp out of spite anyway :p |
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| 19:26.42 | Hor | hi all |
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| 19:27.22 | PCline | its xdm req. ? |
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| 19:27.36 | Hor | i in apt-cache search acx100 not have the package, what i need do to have that package ? someone know? |
| 19:27.52 | stew | Hor: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
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| 19:28.05 | S4nD3r | which is the best shell to use ??? |
| 19:28.06 | ph8|2 | quit |
| 19:28.08 | S4nD3r | bash ? |
| 19:28.11 | stew | S4nD3r: zsh |
| 19:28.18 | grumpydog | Phew this channel gets busy. |
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| 19:28.21 | dbi | PCline, only if you want it to start your X session... If you use gdm/kdm then no, but it won't start anyway |
| 19:28.34 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 19:28.40 | dbi | S4nD3r, mysh |
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| 19:28.47 | S4nD3r | mysh ?? |
| 19:28.50 | S4nD3r | this is new for me |
| 19:29.04 | dbi | really? this is my shell! :) It was a joke :) |
| 19:29.05 | grumpydog | S4nD3r, using slackware still :) |
| 19:29.11 | grumpydog | heh |
| 19:29.21 | S4nD3r | no... |
| 19:29.23 | S4nD3r | Imusing debian |
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| 19:30.10 | grumpydog | S4nD3r, are the original S4nD3r I knew from openprojects. |
| 19:30.24 | S4nD3r | No ! |
| 19:30.30 | grumpydog | ah ok. |
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| 19:30.58 | S4nD3r | Im beginner in linux |
| 19:31.02 | bucky | Solid: php only gets along with apache2-mpm-prefork |
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| 19:31.14 | S4nD3r | and, from last year, have been used debian sarge |
| 19:31.20 | S4nD3r | which Ive been loved |
| 19:31.23 | Solid | it means that i have to install apache2-mpm-prefork? |
| 19:31.35 | bucky | Solid: if you want to use php |
| 19:31.36 | grumpydog | S4nD3r, good luck debian is a nice distro to learn. |
| 19:31.41 | Solid | ok |
| 19:31.56 | grumpydog | Mainly all the Universities run debin in the UK |
| 19:32.00 | S4nD3r | Is the best I used |
| 19:32.05 | linuxfreck | quite a sad thing that php still didn't manage to get its stuff thread-safe |
| 19:32.07 | degantyll | I must agree |
| 19:32.07 | grumpydog | debian |
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| 19:32.59 | bleaked | stew: so i ran 'update-rc.d console-screen remove' and it said it was removing any entries for it, however, i just rebooted and it didn't fix anything. |
| 19:33.11 | bleaked | stew: i would really like to disable this |
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| 19:33.34 | stew | bleaked: update-rc.d doesn't touch rc.S you have to do it manually |
| 19:33.35 | dbi | bleaked, look at other /etc/init.d/console-* scripts... |
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| 19:33.38 | stew | err rcS.d |
| 19:33.45 | grumpydog | too many people in the channel but did someone check the docs here http://www.linuxguruz.com/z.php?id=94 |
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| 19:34.29 | stew | bleaked: but you maybe should be looking at /etc/console-tools/config |
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| 19:34.39 | mcgreg | hi |
| 19:34.44 | mtw7 | hi. |
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| 19:34.53 | bleaked | stew: ok, i see a S48console-screen.sh in /etc/rcS.d..just delete it? |
| 19:35.12 | stew | bleaked: yes, or edit its config in /etc/console-tools/config |
| 19:35.19 | bleaked | oh |
| 19:35.20 | bleaked | nice |
| 19:35.22 | mcgreg | just changed from 2.6.12 to 2.6.15 kernel.. are there any noticible changes/something special ... anyone knows something? ;) |
| 19:35.24 | POVaddct | bleaked: or just rename it to s48console-screen.sh |
| 19:35.40 | mtw7 | mcgreg: did u read the release notes? |
| 19:35.56 | SupraX | hello again, how could I use a usb camera the same way of an usb key, the usb key works, not the camera (same port, same command) |
| 19:35.58 | SupraX | grrr |
| 19:36.12 | mcgreg | mtw7: no... do you have a link? |
| 19:36.33 | dbi | SupraX, some cameras need to be set to behave lihe an usb-hdd |
| 19:36.56 | SupraX | ? |
| 19:37.04 | grumpydog | like /mnt/foodisk |
| 19:37.06 | mtw7 | mcgreg: not handy, visit kernel.org and look around there. the release notes for your kernel version (and all others, for that matter) are gonna be there somewhere. |
| 19:37.07 | stew | SupraX: many cameras don't support usb-storage, in which case you'd need to use somehting like gphoto2 |
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| 19:37.10 | SupraX | I use it like an usb disk (configured on the camera) |
| 19:37.25 | SupraX | it worked on mandriva |
| 19:37.26 | SupraX | ;) |
| 19:37.34 | S4nD3r | I have valid IP in my PC |
| 19:37.38 | S4nD3r | I installed postfix. |
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| 19:37.46 | mcgreg | mtw7: I believe you mean the full release notes... usually they are very big and hard to understand (for me at least) |
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| 19:37.51 | S4nD3r | Is it possible to make this PC as mail server ? |
| 19:37.56 | grumpydog | SupraX, using a card reader or just USB2.0? |
| 19:37.58 | S4nD3r | Id like to use to send emails |
| 19:38.01 | stew | SupraX: check dmesg when you plug it in, and see if usb-storage seems to be picking it up |
| 19:38.03 | SupraX | just usb |
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| 19:38.11 | yos87 | peterS: hi |
| 19:38.14 | bleaked | stew: do you think if i just comment out SCREEN_FONT in /etc/console-tools/config it will not set the font? |
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| 19:38.33 | stew | bleaked: yes |
| 19:38.35 | SupraX | usb.c: USB disconnect on device 00:04.3-1 address 27 |
| 19:38.37 | SupraX | ? |
| 19:38.45 | grumpydog | Suprax I think you will have to mount the usb device. |
| 19:38.52 | bleaked | stew: ok, thanks for you help! |
| 19:39.05 | SupraX | sdb: test WP failed, assume Write Enabled |
| 19:39.05 | SupraX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.05 | SupraX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:39.05 | SupraX | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:39.07 | yos87 | someone know a good web site can I buy debian from |
| 19:39.30 | grumpydog | yos87, just download it. |
| 19:39.41 | yos87 | grumpydog: it's very big |
| 19:39.48 | yang | yos87: what connection do you have |
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| 19:40.04 | yos87 | yang: adsl 300kb |
| 19:40.16 | yang | yos87: you will have the distro in 2h |
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| 19:40.28 | grumpydog | yos87, use the netinstall disk you really do not need much more and decide what you wasnt not all the 9 iso etc 5.45GB lol |
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| 19:40.32 | yos87 | yang: but the actuall download does not rech 70kb |
| 19:40.39 | grumpydog | want |
| 19:40.54 | grumpydog | yos87, are you on dial up? |
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| 19:41.01 | yang | yos87: do as grumpydog said |
| 19:41.04 | yos87 | grumpydog: no |
| 19:41.06 | yos87 | adsl |
| 19:41.31 | yos87 | yang: i download the minumum, |
| 19:41.37 | grumpydog | yos87, just download the netinstall iso it is only like 160MB |
| 19:41.38 | yos87 | but its only back screen |
| 19:41.41 | yos87 | command |
| 19:41.47 | yos87 | that what I did |
| 19:41.49 | yang | yos87: you can download 3 floppy disks, also works well |
| 19:41.49 | mtw7 | mcgreg, your orig. question was rather vague. We don't know what you would consider a "special" change. Please ask more specific questions, and please at least try to read the release notes. |
| 19:41.51 | yos87 | it's only command |
| 19:41.57 | X2 | hi, guys |
| 19:42.00 | nut543 | INFO docs install in /usr/doc ? |
| 19:42.03 | yos87 | I don't know that command |
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| 19:42.24 | enr1x | good night! |
| 19:42.29 | grumpydog | yos87, am I right in saying you are a little confused as you do not have GUI? |
| 19:42.40 | yang | yos87: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 19:42.59 | yos87 | yang: I did |
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| 19:43.05 | X2 | do you know a way to scramble a script file (text) ? |
| 19:43.08 | yos87 | yang: I donwload it from here |
| 19:43.11 | yang | yos87: now burn it on cd and install |
| 19:43.13 | yos87 | but it's only command |
| 19:43.19 | SupraX | "WARNING: USB Mass Storage data integrity not assured" |
| 19:43.20 | yos87 | I install already |
| 19:43.24 | enr1x | some days ago i upgraded the libstdc++, gcc++ and all that things, to update MySQL to the 5beta i had downloaded, but now i cannot use any locale |
| 19:43.25 | grumpydog | yos87, k3b burn it |
| 19:43.26 | yos87 | it's ONLT COMMAND |
| 19:43.27 | SupraX | is it cool or not ? |
| 19:43.30 | yang | yos87: the installation is command line yes |
| 19:43.34 | yos87 | NO GRAPHIC |
| 19:43.38 | enr1x | what package do i have to install to make locales available? |
| 19:43.39 | enr1x | thanks |
| 19:43.41 | yos87 | I DON'T KNOW THAT COMMAND |
| 19:43.48 | yos87 | I WANT THE GRAPHIC ONE |
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| 19:43.55 | grumpydog | yanh he has no GUI |
| 19:43.57 | dbi | enr1x, how about "locales" ? :) |
| 19:43.58 | yang | yos87: read some newbie debian guide first, and the install info |
| 19:43.59 | POVaddct | yos87: stop yelling |
| 19:44.04 | stew | nut543: no /usr/share/info |
| 19:44.08 | grumpydog | yos87, no caps please. |
| 19:44.11 | yos87 | sorry |
| 19:44.18 | grumpydog | dkpg-reconfigure |
| 19:44.18 | yos87 | sorry for trouble |
| 19:44.29 | biaxin | hey, just wondering.. what's the latest version available of icewm for etch? |
| 19:44.31 | grumpydog | then install X |
| 19:44.41 | yang | someone else having hemeroids becouse of debian? |
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| 19:44.46 | enr1x | i think i already installed it |
| 19:44.52 | enr1x | i am at a cybercafe right now |
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| 19:44.55 | nut543 | stew, can you do a du -s /usr/doc/ for me? i assume you have many packages installed.. like gnome, kde.. |
| 19:44.56 | yos87 | grumpydog: I bough already from cheapbytes.com |
| 19:44.57 | grumpydog | yang not me, maybe ying |
| 19:45.00 | enr1x | i will download it :P |
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| 19:45.07 | dbi | enr1x, then run dpkg-reconfigure locales and choose |
| 19:45.07 | yos87 | grumpydog: but it does not rech me |
| 19:45.14 | yos87 | grumpydog: i think it lost |
| 19:45.19 | enr1x | dbi, i think it's that |
| 19:45.25 | enr1x | i didn't reconfigurelocales |
| 19:45.36 | grumpydog | yos87, do not worry download the netinstallation disc buddy. |
| 19:45.43 | soymilk | does debian have any effort to get xen into stable? |
| 19:45.43 | stew | yos87: you wish to beta-test the new gui installer? |
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| 19:45.56 | nut543 | stew, the reason is i want to know how much space(relatively) info pages use because in archlinux they are not included for "space reasons" |
| 19:46.12 | grumpydog | yos87, if you are doubt get i386 |
| 19:46.15 | enr1x | i will try that |
| 19:46.16 | grumpydog | iso |
| 19:46.18 | nut543 | stew, i just wonder how much space they use.. |
| 19:46.32 | grumpydog | reset your bios to boot from CD. |
| 19:46.47 | grumpydog | then HDD0 or hdd1 |
| 19:46.49 | biaxin | im on a fresh install of sarge, and icewm looks like shit =/ does etch or sid has newer versions? |
| 19:46.53 | yos87 | grumpydog: don't you understand me, I say I already download it and install it, but it's only command |
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| 19:47.04 | ronove | can I sort msn contacs in GAIM on online/offline instead of groups? and how? |
| 19:47.06 | yos87 | grumpydon: how th reach graphic mode |
| 19:47.08 | dbi | soymilk, xen into stable? only when etch is released, I guess |
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| 19:47.13 | grumpydog | yous so dkpg-reconfigure |
| 19:47.27 | valdyn | yos87: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' |
| 19:47.51 | yos87 | apt-get? |
| 19:47.54 | stew | yos87: the installer you downloaded doesn't have a graphical installer, the graphical installer is in development and should be considered alpha quality. |
| 19:47.54 | yos87 | it's another file |
| 19:48.01 | devin_ | Which is the best up to date way to install nvidia drivers? |
| 19:48.11 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:48.11 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on testing and unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 19:48.12 | nut543 | stew, ? |
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| 19:48.22 | soymilk | dbi: fc5 already has v.3 and sarge doesn't even have v.2 |
| 19:48.30 | stew | nut543: if you had a question there, i didn't understand it |
| 19:48.32 | yos87 | I don't understand much this cause, |
| 19:48.40 | dbi | soymilk, and etch? |
| 19:48.42 | yos87 | why it's not direct to one mode |
| 19:48.50 | grumpydog | valdyn, his english is not great. Be patient with him |
| 19:48.51 | nut543 | stew, can you do a 'du -s /usr/share/info' for me ? :) |
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| 19:48.58 | soymilk | dbi: how stable is etch? would you run it in production? |
| 19:49.01 | yos87 | I saw something else in the debian screenshot |
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| 19:49.15 | dbi | well, I even run unstable in production, but that's just me :) |
| 19:49.21 | stew | nut543: 4216 |
| 19:49.49 | stew | nut543: that is, of course, dependent on which packages i have installed |
| 19:49.57 | soymilk | hmm, guess they're not around... |
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| 19:50.04 | nut543 | stew, seems not many packages then.. :/ |
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| 19:50.10 | lesshaste | what do wa, hi and si stand for in top? man top doesn't seem to say |
| 19:50.14 | stew | nut543: on another machine its 103300 |
| 19:50.33 | nut543 | ok, 103 mb then.. |
| 19:50.39 | valdyn | yos87: debian can look like _anything_ depending on what you install and setup |
| 19:50.41 | nut543 | not that much... |
| 19:50.48 | soymilk | dbi: seriously though, there's no way i'd ever be able to deploy etch in my situation |
| 19:50.53 | nut543 | stew, you have kde, gnome etc installed on that one? |
| 19:51.01 | stew | nut543: no |
| 19:51.12 | devin_ | Which is the best up to date way to install nvidia drivers? |
| 19:51.15 | dbi | soymilk, then your best bet is to compile xen packages on a sarge system and make a backport |
| 19:51.31 | nut543 | stew, they prolly don't use info pages anyway noiw that i remember.. |
| 19:51.34 | valdyn | grumpydog: i am the patience, but i still have no idea what he really wants |
| 19:51.36 | soymilk | dbi: except compiling xen is an elusive art |
| 19:51.41 | lesshaste | any ideas? |
| 19:51.50 | lesshaste | Maybe I just missed it in the man pages?? |
| 19:51.53 | dbi | soymilk, did you try "apt-get -b source xen" ? |
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| 19:51.55 | stew | nut543: the larger one was a server, the smaller one was my desktop |
| 19:52.05 | soymilk | dbi: basically the ton of patches totally mess up kernels that they become very broken |
| 19:52.08 | grumpydog | valdyn, all he wants is to startx and get x working |
| 19:52.13 | dbi | soymilk, oops "apt-get -b source xen/unstable" |
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| 19:52.33 | yos87 | valdyn: well, I knew that, how to rech the graphic mode now, what to download |
| 19:52.50 | yos87 | I have the command mode |
| 19:52.53 | valdyn | yos87: 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' <- run that command |
| 19:52.56 | soymilk | dbi: can't hurt |
| 19:53.09 | grumpydog | yos87, or from the cmd line startx |
| 19:53.38 | soymilk | dbi: "Unable to find a source package for xen/unstable" |
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| 19:53.56 | grumpydog | soymilk, apt-get it |
| 19:54.03 | dbi | soymilk, do you have a deb-src line in your sources.list pointing to unstable? |
| 19:54.14 | soymilk | dbi: oh, duh, no i don't |
| 19:54.16 | yos87 | valdyn: after download and burn it, how to install it |
| 19:54.24 | stew | soymilk: you are trying to backport xen? |
| 19:54.35 | dbi | stew, exactly! |
| 19:54.35 | valdyn | yos87: burn what? the debian installer? |
| 19:54.35 | soymilk | stew: i guess |
| 19:54.37 | PCline | anyone using Postfix, Courier And MySQL ? |
| 19:54.42 | stew | soymilk: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:54.49 | stew | PCline: many peo0ple |
| 19:55.02 | stew | yikes i made a typ0 |
| 19:55.04 | PCline | stew :) well i need a bit of help |
| 19:55.06 | valdyn | yos87: i thought you said earlier that you already had debian installed.. |
| 19:55.25 | yos87 | valdyn: but the only command |
| 19:55.35 | yos87 | valdyn: it's onle 109 mb |
| 19:55.36 | stew | valdyn: i think he means he has the "command line installer" and thinks he wants the "gui" one |
| 19:55.41 | PCline | stew is there a tool (web based tool ) that allows me to add users ? so i dont have to run everytime i want to add a new user to the mail server about 3 commands line |
| 19:55.47 | lesshaste | anyone help with me "top" question?? |
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| 19:55.52 | grumpydog | stew I said this earlier. |
| 19:56.03 | PCline | stew io just setup my server which is up and running :) |
| 19:56.04 | yos87 | stew: that is why you don't understand me |
| 19:56.06 | Ronin | PCline: ssh into the mail server not an option? |
| 19:56.18 | valdyn | yos87: there is no GUI installed for debian yet. What you saw was either not debian or an experimental version of the new installer GUI. |
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| 19:56.22 | kodaky | hello |
| 19:56.23 | PCline | Ronin what for ? |
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| 19:56.27 | valdyn | yos87: there is no GUI installer for debian yet. What you saw was either not debian or an experimental version of the new installer GUI. |
| 19:56.32 | Ronin | PCline: add your users |
| 19:56.32 | PCline | Ronin im the owner . dont need ssh |
| 19:56.35 | kodaky | i have compiled the new kernel with kpkg |
| 19:56.41 | allain | oi |
| 19:56.43 | starfishy | pcline: have you tried webmin? |
| 19:56.46 | kodaky | but now i need other package |
| 19:56.47 | PCline | Ronin well i can also add user , open a terminal , run a few commands done |
| 19:56.50 | croddy | !webmin |
| 19:56.50 | dpkg | from memory, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 19:56.53 | stew | PCline: i don't know, i build my own very easily |
| 19:56.56 | croddy | use ssh. |
| 19:57.10 | PCline | starfishy webmin ? webmin its shit |
| 19:57.16 | PCline | croddy no need to man |
| 19:57.21 | devin_ | should i install the nvidia drivers off the nvidia.com ? |
| 19:57.23 | starfishy | that may be |
| 19:57.27 | valdyn | devin_: no |
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| 19:57.30 | starfishy | no idea, i dont use it |
| 19:57.32 | grumpydog | PCline agreed, webmin as for wankers that cannot config. |
| 19:57.33 | yos87 | valdyn: gui ? sorry , I don't know it |
| 19:57.33 | kodaky | sorry i need other module |
| 19:57.41 | starfishy | i just thought it might fit your application |
| 19:57.42 | PCline | grumpydog :) |
| 19:57.45 | yos87 | valdyn: gui ? sorry , I don't know it |
| 19:57.48 | valdyn | !gui |
| 19:57.48 | devin_ | valdyn what do you suggest? |
| 19:57.48 | dpkg | well, gui is (Graphical User Interface) Any system that uses graphics to represent the functions of a program. All Windows operating systems are GUI. or point-and-drool, double-click, drag-and-drop, ... or at http://pla-netx.com/linebackn/guis/index.html. Of course Real Programmers use the command line interface. See cli |
| 19:57.53 | stew | starfishy: there is no webmin module that helps him |
| 19:57.54 | PCline | stew well like i said my server its up and running |
| 19:58.01 | valdyn | devin_: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 19:58.01 | starfishy | what exactly is shit about it? (inquisitive mind wants to know) |
| 19:58.14 | kodaky | can i open a private with anyone? |
| 19:58.17 | grumpydog | I think he has some vanilla issues |
| 19:58.27 | kodaky | i need help |
| 19:58.28 | PCline | all i need its a tool that allows me to configure " ONLY " postfix . add users , add doamins .. |
| 19:58.29 | starfishy | kodaky: why would you want to do that? |
| 19:58.39 | kodaky | starfishy |
| 19:58.40 | starfishy | you might want to try asking your question |
| 19:58.46 | PCline | kodaky :) |
| 19:58.47 | kodaky | ok |
| 19:58.52 | PCline | kodaky prv me i help you |
| 19:58.54 | PCline | :D |
| 19:59.03 | kodaky | i am newy |
| 19:59.05 | yos87 | valdyn: netinst has been installed on my PC |
| 19:59.07 | grumpydog | DNS & bind |
| 19:59.09 | kodaky | so |
| 19:59.11 | PCline | 5£ |
| 19:59.12 | devin_ | im running etch so would i choose NVDIST=testing ? |
| 19:59.13 | valdyn | yos87: maybe your problem really is that you installed debian and now there's no graphics ( that is supposed to be like that ), you need to install X ( the GUI ) |
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| 19:59.27 | kodaky | i have compiled the 2.6.15 kernel with make-kpkg |
| 19:59.31 | valdyn | yos87: so why dont you run 'apt-get install x-window-system-core' ? |
| 19:59.34 | kodaky | my first time in my life |
| 19:59.35 | kodaky | :) |
| 19:59.37 | kodaky | an then |
| 19:59.38 | Ronin | so just cause i wasnt paying attention PCline, you dont want to walk, ( i can understand that) but you dont want to do something as easy as ssh in and create the user you want some web based tool? |
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| 19:59.51 | kodaky | and now |
| 19:59.51 | yos87 | valdyn: I don't know it, |
| 20:00.08 | kodaky | i need a MPPE encryption for ppt |
| 20:00.11 | valdyn | yos87: run that command: "apt-get install x-window-system-core" |
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| 20:00.22 | kodaky | that is experimental in this version of the kernel |
| 20:00.34 | starfishy | hm |
| 20:00.35 | grumpydog | sudo and then dkpg-reconfigure he his not undertanding the tabs for installation. |
| 20:00.37 | kodaky | MPPE encryption for ppp |
| 20:00.41 | starfishy | make-jpkg is whacko |
| 20:00.47 | starfishy | it claims I am root :) |
| 20:01.03 | kodaky | make-kpkg |
| 20:01.04 | valdyn | yos87: maybe there's a debian support channel in a language you understand better than english |
| 20:01.48 | kodaky | starfishy??? |
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| 20:02.14 | PCline | Ronin no man it doesn have to be web based tool, i just dont want to open the terminal and add the user myself |
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| 20:02.49 | PCline | Ronin i now there are lots of tools out there for postfix , i can just run the program , few clicks and the new mail account its setup :) |
| 20:02.49 | lesshaste | what do wa, hi and si stand for in top? man top doesn't seem to say |
| 20:02.53 | grumpydog | PCline can you config apache |
| 20:02.56 | kodaky | i need help |
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| 20:03.02 | starfishy | i heard that |
| 20:03.07 | PCline | grumpydog apache ? configure what in apache ? |
| 20:03.17 | PCline | grumpydog yes i can configure it |
| 20:03.17 | tuv | why is sysklogd still the default syslog in debian? aren't syslog-ng and metalog supposed to be better? |
| 20:03.17 | valdyn | lesshaste: hardware interrupt / software interrupt |
| 20:03.22 | starfishy | maybe you should lose the acronyms? |
| 20:03.23 | yos87 | valdyn: he say " could not open lock file something..." |
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| 20:03.34 | valdyn | yos87: you need to run that command as root |
| 20:03.35 | yos87 | what does it mean |
| 20:03.37 | cisee | tuv: they're more powerful but sysklogd gets the job done |
| 20:03.40 | starfishy | what is ppt? powerpoint? |
| 20:03.45 | valdyn | yos87: and you really really need to read the install guide |
| 20:03.47 | valdyn | !ig |
| 20:03.47 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 20:04.11 | tuv | cisee: what do you think is best? |
| 20:04.11 | EtherNet | I am installing Debian and it says: debian bootstrap failed... mawk package segmentation fault... any idea? |
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| 20:04.15 | lesshaste | valdyn: are you sure? I mean is that documented anywhere? |
| 20:04.24 | grumpydog | PCline, http://www.linuxguruz.com/linuxfaq/index.html I just wish someone would put that FAQ up. |
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| 20:04.42 | cisee | tuv: 'best' all depends on what you're doing, on my workstations i run sysklogd because it takes care of what i need, servers i run -ng |
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| 20:05.29 | tuv | cisee: can you point me to a comparison.. i couldn't find a detailed one |
| 20:05.55 | unlearn | is it possible to delete a directory? |
| 20:05.57 | PCline | grumpydog there is nothing about postfix |
| 20:06.02 | abrotman | unlearn: use your backups |
| 20:06.08 | PCline | grumpydog or postfix administration |
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| 20:06.15 | unlearn | backups? |
| 20:06.18 | abrotman | postfix is easy to configure .. ask #postfix for tons of docs if you can't figure it out |
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| 20:06.39 | grumpydog | abrotman, agreed. |
| 20:06.41 | dbi | EtherNet, is it possible that you have your CPU overclocked or bad RAM? |
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| 20:07.03 | PCline | abrotman i can man, i dont want to configure postfix , |
| 20:07.04 | levander | Someone can tell me why when I try to copy a file to my sambe share, I get permission denied? I've set the dsmask to 777 and the fmask to 666 in /etc/fstab, I've checked them with ls -l and they look right to me. |
| 20:07.06 | EtherNet | dbi, no.. it's an old machine Pentium 133 Mhz |
| 20:07.10 | abrotman | PCline: then don't run a mailserver |
| 20:07.13 | PCline | abrotman my mail server its up and running |
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| 20:07.18 | yos87 | valdyn: good good, |
| 20:07.23 | abrotman | !tell SunbEEm about root |
| 20:07.25 | yos87 | valdyn: I choose intel |
| 20:07.26 | PCline | abrotman what do you mean they dont ? |
| 20:07.32 | PCline | abrotman who are " they " ?> |
| 20:07.38 | dbi | EtherNet, then maybe you have insufficient RAM? |
| 20:07.38 | lesshaste | valdyn: is that documented anywhere? |
| 20:07.46 | abrotman | i said then .. not they |
| 20:07.46 | cisee | tuv: oh hrm, never really seen one |
| 20:07.51 | EtherNet | dbi, 32Mb, it insdtalls in low mem mode |
| 20:08.05 | PCline | abrotman lol ,, thats a nice help :) |
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| 20:08.14 | grumpydog | abrotman, I am not an AOL user guy, thanks for asking ast night haha :) |
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| 20:08.29 | PCline | abrotman why not man ? im just to lazy to run 3 command lines everytime i want to add a new user |
| 20:08.35 | abrotman | PCline: postfix is among the easiest MTAs to configure .. |
| 20:08.37 | yos87 | valdyn: I will choose intel, thank you for your help |
| 20:08.39 | croddy | PCline: write a script |
| 20:08.40 | abrotman | PCline: write a script? |
| 20:08.42 | dbi | EtherNet, obviously not completely :/ |
| 20:08.52 | yos87 | I go |
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| 20:08.53 | PCline | abrotman i want to make me job easyer install a package which can do this for me , all i have to do is a few clicks :) |
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| 20:08.58 | SunbEEm | hello |
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| 20:09.03 | abrotman | PCline: stop being a windows admin |
| 20:09.03 | SunbEEm | ah there we go. thanks. |
| 20:09.09 | mtw7 | Is anyone here running on an AMD64? |
| 20:09.16 | abrotman | !tell mtw7 about amd64 |
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| 20:09.17 | PCline | abrotman fuck windows man :) |
| 20:09.26 | kspath | PCline: wow, enjoy that dream world. That is how you admin a mail server by clicking? |
| 20:09.35 | grumpydog | nope dual 3.6ghz xeon here |
| 20:09.35 | abrotman | PCline: you're complaining about work .. but you don't want windows either? .. buy a mac |
| 20:09.51 | grumpydog | abrotman, well said |
| 20:09.54 | PCline | kspath well not really . i was using qmail befora and they had such a tool |
| 20:09.57 | abrotman | or pay a real admin |
| 20:09.58 | slug | hello all, i have a problem with gnome/nautilus please can someone help me? |
| 20:10.00 | kspath | PCline: you might need webmin. It should fit you perfect. |
| 20:10.06 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 20:10.06 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 20:10.19 | abrotman | woohoo . it's gone~! |
| 20:10.21 | PCline | kspath webmin its shit , so stop being silly |
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| 20:10.32 | SunbEEm | Ok. now that I can talk.... I have a package problem. While upgrading from stable to testing, the system locked hard while installing bsdgames. Now I cannot do anything, the package resides in a broken state, I cannot reinstall, remove, or purge it. For that matter I cannot do anything with any other packages because it just comes back to the broken bsdgames. I run kernel 2.6.8 with speakup. |
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| 20:11.02 | grumpydog | Ok I am going to go out for a little while good luck boys and girls, ladies and gentlemen. |
| 20:11.06 | abrotman | SunbEEm: have an error for that? |
| 20:11.09 | slug | i am connected to a lan, windows and linux server with shared files, if i try to open up wourkgroup under Networks i get error: Coulden`t display smb:/// |
| 20:11.19 | enr1x | ah! i remember the same problem as SumbEEm! |
| 20:11.24 | kspath | PCline: did you even try apt-cache search postfix or apt-cache search user or anything? |
| 20:11.30 | enr1x | i installed bootsplash, with some themes |
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| 20:11.39 | enr1x | but somehow they have cross-dependencies between them |
| 20:11.40 | mtw7 | dbi, i've just ordered my AMD64 hardware, is running debian's AMD64 port overly problematic? Should I run the i386 instead? |
| 20:12.00 | slug | or if i try to connect to server : Can't display location "smb://192.168.1.2/" : There is no default action associated with this location. |
| 20:12.03 | PCline | vMail.Admin web-based management tool designed for Postfix and Courier-IMAP email servers, for administrators and end users. Specific examples are given for MySQL and SpamAssassin. |
| 20:12.07 | PCline | nice search |
| 20:12.10 | enr1x | and everytime dpkg does anything, tries to install and configure bootsplash, but they child processes exit with status 1, error |
| 20:12.15 | SunbEEm | Yeah I get different errors depending, which do you want? If trying to remove it says the package is in a very bad inconsistent state. It also complains that it cannot find the file for bsdgames and that I might have to fix the package manually. |
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| 20:12.24 | dbi | mtw7, I run a dual-opteron in production, so... test and decide |
| 20:12.49 | mtw7 | dbi, do you run any 32-bit applications on that machine? |
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| 20:13.13 | abrotman | PCline: please please tell me you |
| 20:13.19 | abrotman | PCline: please please tell me you're not getting paid to do this |
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| 20:13.31 | slug | oh i should mention i am running entirely unstable/sid versions :p |
| 20:13.35 | dbi | mtw7, no. ah, yes. there was some ugly java-based (plus several 32-bit .so-s) application for monitoring the hardware raid. it works |
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| 20:13.39 | abrotman | !btsw |
| 20:13.40 | abrotman | !bts |
| 20:13.40 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:14.17 | mtw7 | dbi, does one need do anything other than install the IA32 library package to get those 32-bit apps to work? |
| 20:14.25 | slug | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.26 | PCline | abrotman to do what ? |
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| 20:14.34 | abrotman | PCline: to run this mailserver |
| 20:14.38 | abrotman | SunbEEm: do NOT msg me |
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| 20:14.41 | kspath | I find it amusing that some companies send their windows admins to unix classes instead of hiring people that know stuff. |
| 20:14.45 | PCline | abrotman why are you asking ? |
| 20:14.50 | enr1x | i couldnt solv that, SubmEEM |
| 20:14.50 | dbi | mtw7, IIRC, I've used a 32-bit chroot for that |
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| 20:14.53 | abrotman | PCline: i asked |
| 20:15.03 | PCline | abrotman ok and what if im getting paid for it ? |
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| 20:15.12 | abrotman | either answer the question .. or leave me alone :) |
| 20:15.26 | PCline | abrotman yes i am |
| 20:15.30 | slug | kspath guess u need a job? |
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| 20:15.43 | abrotman | kspath: take PCline's job |
| 20:16.03 | PCline | ? |
| 20:16.03 | kspath | I also get highly amused when experienced email admins with years of experience running mail clusters are not getting work while "special" people are being giving such tasks. |
| 20:16.23 | Ronin | heh kspath "special" |
| 20:16.24 | dumezil | how do i use ssh to tunnel an entire X session? so when i initiate the ssh, i get a login screen of the remote server? |
| 20:16.28 | vosti | do you advice to use reiserfs instead of ext3? (on desktops) |
| 20:16.30 | PCline | abrotman whats this all about man ? |
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| 20:16.53 | abrotman | PCline: ask #postfix if they know of any *secure* web interfaces to manage postfix |
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| 20:17.12 | abrotman | vosti: no |
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| 20:17.33 | PCline | abrotman well i can enable access to it only from 127.0.0.1 , job done |
| 20:17.33 | aladds | where can i get ldconfig? |
| 20:17.39 | kspath | PCline: #postfix are the experts with postfix and/or the people that hang out to learn but likely know enough to help you. |
| 20:17.42 | abrotman | PCline: ask #postfix if they know of any *secure* web interfaces to manage postfix |
| 20:17.51 | sbk | I must be doing something silly. I (believe) I recently updated fetchmail, and ever since every apt-get install foo has a warning about setting up fetchmail. Now I've had no issues with fetchmail per-se (I run it under my userid, rather than a daemon.) The only annoyance is the warning about being unable to configure fetchmail. The error looks something like http://channels.debian.net/paste/1578 |
| 20:17.55 | vosti | abrotman, and can i know the reasons? |
| 20:17.56 | secureboot | anyone know how to install sun's java on debian? I tried fakeroot make-jpkg jre1.5.0_06.bin, but it gives me a lot of errors like "can't create /etc/.java - permission denied" |
| 20:18.01 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 20:18.01 | dpkg | [filesystem comparison] http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 20:18.07 | abrotman | !tell secureboot about install java |
| 20:18.09 | slug | where is the log file of nautilus under var/log? |
| 20:18.15 | vosti | abrotman, thanks |
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| 20:18.44 | mtw7 | dbi, thx. You've been more helpful in 2 minutes than everyone in debian-amd64 has been in the last half hour... :/ Back to reading the AMD64 howto... |
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| 20:19.28 | PCline | abrotma heh you telling me about secure web interfaces to manage postfix, but you send me to install webmin :)) which you also know its shit |
| 20:19.40 | slug | dohh! i need to connect to a windows smb share to watch simpsons episodes otherwise i cant sleep :p |
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| 20:19.46 | Spec | the dell 2850 servers are nice to run debian on... :) |
| 20:19.48 | dbi | mtw7, thank you for your kind words. good luck! |
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| 20:20.05 | secureboot | abrotman: that's what i did. |
| 20:20.12 | abrotman | PCline: BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO LEARN! |
| 20:20.20 | usn | good evening |
| 20:20.23 | Spec | Using mondo/mindi, I backed up a server in exactly 2 minutes |
| 20:20.28 | secureboot | abrotman: i installed java-package, did fakeroot make-jpkg jre*.bin, like i mentioned earlier |
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| 20:20.39 | aladds | hey, every time i run ldconfig i get a segmentation fault, why? |
| 20:20.42 | secureboot | abrotman: i'm getting an error, after RTFM, and i'd like to figure out why |
| 20:20.44 | abrotman | secureboot: i gave up on the fakeroot stuff .. |
| 20:20.49 | Chris62vw | how do I go from sarge to the testing? |
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| 20:21.35 | cisee | aladds: are you root ? |
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| 20:21.51 | aladds | cisee yes i am |
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| 20:22.04 | cisee | aladds: hrm no clue then, slap and strace on it to see what's going on |
| 20:22.04 | abrotman | !tell Chris62vw about sarge->etch |
| 20:22.05 | slug | Chris62vw do u have a install "net-install" cd? |
| 20:22.07 | abrotman | !u |
| 20:22.07 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 20:22.17 | aladds | csiee i'm trying reinstalling libc6 |
| 20:22.20 | Chris62vw | slug, at home, sure |
| 20:22.20 | abrotman | there's no need to reinstall if he's on sarge already |
| 20:22.29 | Chris62vw | right, what abrotman said. thanks |
| 20:23.16 | slug | Chris62vw what i did was, i used my sarge net install cd and us it aske me for the ftp http servers i added my own sources |
| 20:23.33 | SimonRaven | w00t bubye webmin |
| 20:23.36 | slug | after booting from cd |
| 20:23.38 | secureboot | abrotman: darn. i don't actually see how to install it manually either... running the .bin just seems to unzip the thing... |
| 20:23.38 | bleaked | i have my kernel set up to use framebuffer on boot. it works when i enable the nvidia framebuffer driver, however the nvidia kernel driver (for X) cannot seem to find the card when it's enabled. if i remove the nvidia fb from the kernel, i get a blank screen and just hear my HD booting up the system. is there anyway to get both a beautiful framebuffer boot and use the nvidia kernel driver? |
| 20:23.45 | aladds | ldconfig still segfaults |
| 20:23.46 | aladds | :( |
| 20:23.55 | SimonRaven | eh |
| 20:23.58 | abrotman | secureboot: i meant to use java-package .. but just as root |
| 20:24.04 | abrotman | secureboot: yes .. it's evil |
| 20:24.08 | SimonRaven | aladds: did you try removing your ldso.cache ? |
| 20:24.10 | secureboot | abrotman: yes. it is. |
| 20:24.13 | bleaked | shouldn't the vesa fb driver just work? |
| 20:24.14 | abrotman | secureboot: are you in the crayola labs? |
| 20:24.16 | aladds | i will :0 |
| 20:24.18 | aladds | *:) |
| 20:24.18 | bleaked | or could it be my fonts? |
| 20:24.27 | slug | Chris62vw so now i am running sid / unstable but only because i wanted to check out the rm17 :) its cool i tell u |
| 20:24.44 | SimonRaven | aladds: you'll have to re-run ldconfig afterwards, so keep it around JIC |
| 20:24.53 | secureboot | abrotman: ha... it won't even let me do sudo make-jpkg ./jre*.bin |
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| 20:24.58 | SimonRaven | then if you're sure then delete it |
| 20:24.58 | aladds | where is the ldso.cache? |
| 20:25.04 | secureboot | abrotman: it says i have to be fakeroot... |
| 20:25.06 | SimonRaven | /etc |
| 20:25.12 | resiak | !framebuffer |
| 20:25.12 | dpkg | from memory, framebuffer is a region of memory into which "frames" of graphical data are drawn. if you're looking for the framebuffer console, see fbcon. X is also a framebuffer system, as is berlin. |
| 20:25.14 | aladds | i looked in there |
| 20:25.17 | abrotman | secureboot: are you on sarge? |
| 20:25.19 | resiak | Hmm. |
| 20:25.19 | aladds | ls | grep ldso |
| 20:25.26 | aladds | it didnt come up |
| 20:25.29 | secureboot | abrotman: yes, sarge. |
| 20:25.30 | SimonRaven | er, ld.so |
| 20:25.40 | SimonRaven | !uuog aladds |
| 20:25.40 | aladds | ah |
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| 20:25.50 | aladds | uuog? |
| 20:25.54 | Spec | I thought berlin was in germany, not a framebuffer system. |
| 20:25.58 | SimonRaven | so, ld.so.cache |
| 20:26.03 | abrotman | secureboot: and which java is it? |
| 20:26.13 | SimonRaven | useless use of grep award |
| 20:26.27 | secureboot | 1.5_0_6 |
| 20:26.32 | aladds | SimonRaven, i don;t know what !uuog aladds was supposed to do, but i didn't notice anything |
| 20:26.47 | SimonRaven | that's because the bot doesn't have it yet |
| 20:26.51 | aladds | ah, ok |
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| 20:26.55 | slug | Chris62vw but if u dont want to lose ur data u can try a dist update have to add the testing repositories into /etc/apt/sourses.list then as root apt-get update then apt-get dist upgrade but |
| 20:26.56 | bucky | !test |
| 20:26.56 | dpkg | No, bucky, you're not online any more. |
| 20:26.58 | JPX | question: can anyone recommend a program that allow me to view wordpad docs? |
| 20:27.18 | cr3 | anyone familiar with dvdbackup? I then created an iso with mkisofs but cdrecord refuses to burn the image because it is apparently too large, ideas? |
| 20:27.26 | slug | this is very dangerous! it could break ur system |
| 20:27.38 | SimonRaven | !uuog $1 is <action>gives $1 the Useless Use of Grep Award |
| 20:27.38 | dpkg | SimonRaven: okay |
| 20:27.40 | abrotman | secureboot: it's entirely possible the java-package in sarge doesn't support 1.5 |
| 20:27.50 | stew | it does |
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| 20:28.03 | slug | i like my methode best, clean install testing or unstable/sid |
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| 20:28.07 | stew | and /usr/share/doc/java-package/SUPPORTED will confirm that |
| 20:28.13 | bucky | JPX: ted |
| 20:28.16 | SunbEEm | if you have word documents then use antiword. |
| 20:28.21 | aladds | SimonRaven: mv ld.so.conf ld.so.conf.old hgad no effect |
| 20:28.27 | aladds | ldconfig still segfaults |
| 20:28.33 | SimonRaven | not conf, cache |
| 20:28.33 | secureboot | darn. |
| 20:28.37 | SimonRaven | ... |
| 20:28.39 | bucky | !win bucky |
| 20:28.39 | dpkg | Congratulations, bucky! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 20:28.40 | JPX | bucky: ty. |
| 20:28.42 | aladds | oops |
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| 20:29.18 | aladds | ldconfig still segfaults |
| 20:29.19 | slug | someone please help me connect to ubuntu running samba with shared files, it works on server because i could connect to it before i upgraded ... |
| 20:29.35 | kspath | !ubuntu |
| 20:29.35 | dpkg | it has been said that ubuntu is not Debian. See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu (not here!) http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 Ask me about <Based on Debian>, or Even Mark Shuttleworth says this is not Debian. |
| 20:29.39 | secureboot | abrotman: know where i can get an older .bin? |
| 20:29.52 | abrotman | secureboot: let me look |
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| 20:30.00 | stew | slug: the client is running debian and the server is running ubuntu? |
| 20:30.09 | slug | yes server is running ubuntu, its not really a server only there are the shared files i need |
| 20:30.14 | dumezil | how do i use ssh to tunnel an entire X session? so when i initiate the ssh, i get a login screen of the remote server? |
| 20:30.16 | aladds | and the package lsdo doesn;t exist |
| 20:30.19 | stew | slug: what is the client running? |
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| 20:30.35 | slug | debian unstable |
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| 20:30.50 | secureboot | abrotman: found it... |
| 20:30.50 | aladds | oh wait, it was replaced... |
| 20:30.50 | stew | secureboot: if you are trying to install a .bin which isnt' supported by sarges java-package but is supported by sid's you can just use sid's java-pacakge |
| 20:30.56 | slug | kanotix like only newest packages |
| 20:30.56 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 20:30.59 | slug | :) |
| 20:31.05 | abrotman | secureboot: or listen to stew |
| 20:31.19 | secureboot | abrotman: hmmm, maybe i'll try that first... |
| 20:31.44 | stew | slug: so you aren't running debian at all, but kanotix and ubuntu? you should be asking in #kanotix or #ubuntu then |
| 20:31.53 | secureboot | stew: too bad packages.debian.org is down... |
| 20:32.05 | secureboot | what's the appropriate way to get 1, and just 1, package from etch? |
| 20:32.14 | secureboot | or sid |
| 20:32.17 | stew | secureboot: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 20:32.36 | slug | stew no no i am not running kanotix i am running debian sid unstable with gnome and default debian kernel |
| 20:32.39 | SimonRaven | aladds: it's part of libc6 |
| 20:32.45 | stew | secureboot: browse through there and find the package page for java-package, or just go directly to the pool directory of your mirror |
| 20:32.55 | aladds | yeah i just realised, but apt-get install --reinstall libc6 doesn;t seem to help |
| 20:33.04 | stew | < slug> kanotix like only newest package |
| 20:33.10 | aladds | it just segfaults |
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| 20:33.57 | slug | stew kanotix that is what they claim to do ... |
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| 20:34.12 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:34.22 | bucky | slug: are you banned from google? http://www.howtoforge.com/samba_setup_ubuntu_5.10 |
| 20:34.24 | starfishy | is it just me or is debian.org down? |
| 20:34.29 | slug | dunno i tryed it a few minutes long, then i changed back to debian |
| 20:34.34 | dijz | Hi, do anybody use Debian testing and have problems with packages libartsc0 and libarts1c2a| |
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| 20:34.50 | dijz | ? |
| 20:35.05 | FreekNL_ | Hi all, I am having some trouble with my superblock: reduced my Logical Volume (LVM2), used resizefs acording to _the_ LVM HOWTO, but get filesystem inconsistancy errors. Perhaps if you can spare a minute or to to look at my postbin and give me a pointer: http://pastebin.com/510417 |
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| 20:35.56 | kspath | starfishy: comes up for me fine |
| 20:35.57 | slug | bucky dont need samba for ubuntu, need to know how i can connect to it .... thank u anyway |
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| 20:36.07 | slug | i am using debian |
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| 20:36.14 | stew | slug: you aren't, stop saying that |
| 20:36.22 | starfishy | seems to be back |
| 20:36.22 | bucky | slug: connect to it? |
| 20:36.27 | starfishy | needed about 4 minutes to load |
| 20:36.37 | secureboot | stew: sid's package worked! thanks! |
| 20:36.42 | SimonRaven | aladds: boot to cd or something, get the libc6.deb, dpkg -x libc6.deb /your/mounted/system, chroot to your install, mount /proc, run dpkg -i the same .deb |
| 20:36.46 | starfishy | other websites are fine |
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| 20:37.03 | slug | stew what do u call debian build with sid packages? |
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| 20:37.08 | aladds | SimonRaven, can i just download the deb from somewhere? |
| 20:37.30 | edison | Help some one use amulecmd or mldonkey, I need to chose between both ? |
| 20:37.31 | stouset | aladds: Bah, .debs are obsolete. Compile from source! |
| 20:37.40 | kspath | slug: Are you hard of reading? |
| 20:37.47 | aladds | on a 120Mhz 604? |
| 20:37.48 | stouset | edison: So what's the problem with choosing one? |
| 20:37.50 | stew | slug: i'm not interested in getting into this with you, this channel doesn't support kanotix |
| 20:37.51 | slug | bucky yes i am on lan with ubuntu and windows 2000 and want to connect to them so i can view there shared files |
| 20:37.59 | stouset | aladds: Even better! (yes, I'm being facetious :\) |
| 20:38.07 | aladds | lol |
| 20:38.08 | slug | stew dohh! lol |
| 20:38.11 | bucky | slug: http://www.howtoforge.com/samba_setup_ubuntu_5.10 |
| 20:38.16 | bucky | now go away |
| 20:38.19 | aladds | well, i guess i don;t have many other choices |
| 20:38.32 | stouset | aladds: What program are you trying to find a deb for? |
| 20:38.35 | SimonRaven | aladds: try this first: apt-get clean, then --reinstall it |
| 20:38.38 | aladds | libc6 |
| 20:38.44 | stouset | Hooo, fun. |
| 20:38.46 | kspath | !ubuntusmite slug |
| 20:38.55 | edison | stouset: I don't know the difference and i just want to install the "stable" one |
| 20:38.57 | stouset | aladds: What's the problem? I'd probably do what SimonRavensuggests first. |
| 20:39.17 | stouset | edison: So try them out. |
| 20:39.17 | aladds | i don;t want to reboot, i have a nasty feeling it may not boot again if i do |
| 20:39.27 | grumpydog | heh bucky chief |
| 20:39.31 | stew | i wouldn'd do an apt-get clean if his apt-get is segfaulting |
| 20:39.34 | grumpydog | =) |
| 20:39.40 | bucky | !win bucky |
| 20:39.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, bucky! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 20:39.53 | aladds | ldconfig is segfaulting |
| 20:39.54 | FreekNL_ | Has anyone got experiance with reducing logical volumes with ext3 on it with debian sarge? (and the bad superblocks possibly resulting from it?) |
| 20:40.01 | dijz | Hi, do anybody use Debian testing and have problems with packages libartsc0 and libarts1c2a? I dont sucesse install them, do yuo can helpe me? |
| 20:40.01 | stouset | aladds: :\ |
| 20:40.17 | stouset | aladds: Do the apt-get clean; apt-get install --reinstall libc6 |
| 20:40.18 | stew | aladds: what version of debian? |
| 20:40.20 | secureboot | FreekNL_: oooh, reducing? that's possible? |
| 20:40.21 | grumpydog | bucky there is nothing there about !RoyalMarine |
| 20:40.25 | aladds | sarge |
| 20:40.26 | aladds | ppc |
| 20:40.27 | grumpydog | =) |
| 20:40.29 | slug | u making fun of me... here the situation i have a router connected to the internet and 5 other people sharing the net and lan, windows and ubuntu i build my system from an net install cd with adding repositories from debian unstable and since then installing only from them and now i want to connect to the shared files |
| 20:40.35 | Eulex | is it possible to pipe stderr? |
| 20:40.39 | stew | aladds: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 20:40.42 | stouset | slug: Please go away. This is not #ubuntu |
| 20:40.44 | FreekNL_ | secureboot acording to 'http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO.html#AEN638'it is... |
| 20:40.53 | aladds | the latest stable one(?) |
| 20:40.56 | slug | dohh! |
| 20:40.57 | stew | Eulex: cmd 2> stderrlog |
| 20:41.03 | stouset | Eulex: 2>wherever |
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| 20:41.27 | stew | Eulex: oh, pipe? then "cmd 2>&1 >/dev/null | cmd2" |
| 20:41.34 | stew | err |
| 20:41.40 | stew | thats in the wrong order isn't it |
| 20:42.05 | stew | Eulex: 2>&1 redirects stderr to stdout |
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| 20:42.16 | bucky | slug: ask in #ubuntu how to set up your own ubunutu repository.. |
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| 20:42.31 | secureboot | FreekNL_: um, wow. |
| 20:42.33 | stouset | stew: Yeah, but then if you redirect 1>, won't that set both to go to /dev/null? |
| 20:42.37 | stew | yes |
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| 20:42.42 | slug | bucky why would i want to do that? |
| 20:42.59 | bucky | slug: i thought thats what you want |
| 20:43.02 | Eulex | stew, thank you. I know that 2>&1 redirectors stderr to stdout, but I had no clue about the /dev/null trick. |
| 20:43.08 | bucky | slug: how about ftp..? |
| 20:43.09 | SunbEEm | ~~~ |
| 20:43.10 | Eulex | *redirects |
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| 20:43.32 | slug | have i mentioned that i am not running ubuntu ? ohh, yes i did ! |
| 20:43.39 | stew | stouset: you have to do it in the right order, and i always get confused about the order... |
| 20:43.48 | FreekNL_ | secureboot well, it should be possible, my system complains about a wrong superblock. I dont know how to restore or set a different superblock.. (e2fsck -b <first backup superblock> is all I know..) |
| 20:43.53 | stouset | slug: Sorry, we get that a lot. :\ |
| 20:44.06 | stouset | stew: Yeah... |
| 20:44.30 | aladds | ldconfig is still segfaulting |
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| 20:44.45 | aladds | the thing is, i installed from the internet |
| 20:44.49 | aladds | without any cds |
| 20:44.54 | Eulex | aladds, gdb it and get a backtrace? |
| 20:44.57 | secureboot | FreekNL_: huh - from the howto, it didn't look like you had to do anything with superblocks. |
| 20:45.12 | secureboot | FreekNL_: e2fsck -f your_volume |
| 20:45.18 | aladds | Eulex: is that like a backport? |
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| 20:45.33 | FreekNL_ | secureboot look at my postbin plz: http://pastebin.com/510417 |
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| 20:45.40 | stew | aladds: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" say? |
| 20:45.41 | stouset | aladds: He means install a debugger and see at what point it's segfaulting. |
| 20:45.47 | aladds | ah |
| 20:46.01 | secureboot | anyone know why lvm 2 doesn't include e2fsadm? |
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| 20:46.18 | aladds | stew: 2.3.5-8 |
| 20:46.24 | bucky | testing! |
| 20:46.26 | stew | aladds: doh, thats not from stable |
| 20:46.31 | aladds | oh |
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| 20:46.47 | bucky | didn't bother to do a dist-upgrade |
| 20:46.47 | aladds | so, which version is stable? |
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| 20:46.57 | bucky | sarge |
| 20:46.59 | stew | !info libc6 stable |
| 20:47.04 | FreekNL_ | secureboot look at the LVM howto, its not in LVM2 yet (only in LVM1) |
| 20:47.11 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
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| 20:47.17 | secureboot | FreekNL_: ah, so its a development issue. |
| 20:47.21 | stew | !info libc6 testing |
| 20:47.26 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.5-8 (etch), Packaged size: 4937 kB, Installed size: 16752 kB |
| 20:47.35 | aladds | aaaaaah! |
| 20:47.39 | lesshaste | can anyone help me with a xvid options for mencoder? I would like "MPEG quantization, QPel, VHQ for B-frames" |
| 20:47.39 | FreekNL_ | secureboot sory for asking, but do you even have a clue what you are talking about? |
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| 20:47.48 | secureboot | FreekNL_: yes, some. |
| 20:47.56 | estevao | hi all.. |
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| 20:48.04 | Eulex | lesshaste, #mplayer would be the better place to ask. |
| 20:48.20 | estevao | how can I use the black cursor um xfree86 insteaf of the white one? |
| 20:48.30 | stouset | estevao: Using GNOME? |
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| 20:49.25 | aladds | stew: do i need to change my repositories them? |
| 20:49.28 | estevao | stouset, yep... |
| 20:49.30 | estevao | :) |
| 20:49.41 | grumpydog | bucky did you see the latest BBC news? |
| 20:49.48 | stew | aladds: you wish to upgrade everything to testing then? or go back to stable? |
| 20:49.54 | stouset | estevao: Desktop->Preferences->Mouse |
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| 20:49.56 | bucky | no grumpydog |
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| 20:49.59 | aladds | i'd prefer to revert to stable |
| 20:50.06 | stew | aladds: you have to resinstall then |
| 20:50.10 | rogermorse | hi folk |
| 20:50.12 | FreekNL_ | Dear everyone: What does the following implie: "kernel: dm-6: rw=0, want=309071984, limit=304087040 attempt to access beyond end of device" wrong disk geometry? |
| 20:50.13 | aladds | unless i can make testing stop segfaulting |
| 20:50.13 | grumpydog | bucky I will pm you. |
| 20:50.19 | aladds | ok |
| 20:50.22 | Eulex | !downgrade |
| 20:50.22 | dpkg | [downgrade] not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 20:50.47 | aladds | ok, i'll do a dist-upgrade then |
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| 20:50.58 | Eulex | grumpydog, /topic |
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| 20:51.02 | rudd | ciao |
| 20:51.04 | rogermorse | my eth0 doesn't worK; I can ping itself, but I can't ping anything of local net; I have this msg in messages : NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out |
| 20:51.12 | estevao | stouset, theres nothing there about cursor type, or color |
| 20:51.15 | rogermorse | and eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1 |
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| 20:51.38 | rogermorse | what can I do? I have debian sarge, eth0 is a realtek8139, |
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| 20:51.50 | FreekNL_ | rogermorse have you checked basis networking stuff: subnet, broadcast and gateway set correctly ? |
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| 20:51.57 | estevao | stouset, some idea? |
| 20:52.07 | Rubin | is there a way to automatically get all the build-deps for a package? |
| 20:52.11 | POVaddct | rogermorse: try booting with "noapic" kernel parameter |
| 20:52.14 | slept | quitte, are you there ? |
| 20:52.18 | rogermorse | FreekNL_, yes, it seems all is ok |
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| 20:52.47 | rogermorse | ok, I'll try |
| 20:52.50 | Eulex | Rubin, apt-get build-dep package |
| 20:52.54 | stouset | estevao: You should be able to change the mouse cursor in that dialog. I just did. |
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| 20:53.03 | FreekNL_ | rogermorse perhaps you have other interfaces interfering, you could disable all interfaces exept for 'lo' and 'eth0' (ifcofig sit0 down) etc. |
| 20:53.07 | Rubin | Eulex: thanks |
| 20:53.20 | S4nD3r | lol |
| 20:53.32 | S4nD3r | How cool are all here? |
| 20:53.37 | Eulex | Rubin, yw |
| 20:53.40 | zeroC | does anyone knows sth. about network schemes?? |
| 20:53.52 | FreekNL_ | rogermorse can you ping IP addresses directly (perhaps a DNS problem, look at /etc/resolv.conf)? |
| 20:54.01 | rue_mohr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:54.17 | estevao | stouset, do u use gnome 2.10? |
| 20:54.44 | Eulex | rue_mohr, #redhat |
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| 20:55.40 | rixth | How can convert a .pst file from Outlook into a format Debian can use? |
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| 20:55.50 | Fusionfox | hello, what was the command to check what partitions is my box detecting? |
| 20:56.05 | aladds | rixth: i think thunderbird can do that |
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| 20:56.16 | opnsrc | You know how sudo can say "user is not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported." |
| 20:56.17 | rixth | Cool cool! |
| 20:56.18 | Eulex | Fusionfox, fdisk -l |
| 20:56.20 | opnsrc | Where is it reported? |
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| 20:56.28 | stouset | estevao: 2.12 |
| 20:56.34 | radz | hi |
| 20:56.37 | Fusionfox | thx |
| 20:56.39 | Eulex | opnsrc, an e-mail to root, I think. |
| 20:56.48 | stouset | opnsrc: auth.log? |
| 20:56.51 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 20:56.53 | opnsrc | just wondering |
| 20:56.54 | radz | does anyone have a problem with gprs? |
| 20:56.56 | Eulex | Fusionfox, yw |
| 20:57.14 | Eulex | !tell radz about ask |
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| 20:59.18 | aladds | rixth: http://searchexchange.techtarget.com/tip/1,289483,sid43_gci1101377,00.html |
| 20:59.18 | radz | I have a problem with gprs, debian unstable, ppp0 brings up well, route ok, when I ping - dns works, pings out and no pings in. prevoius time I solved it by downgrading pppd, now I can't do this, coz that pppd not exists in repository |
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| 20:59.40 | b_52Centos | hi |
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| 20:59.57 | PCline | why its my apache server show me a text file ,, but actually its a php file ? |
| 21:00.06 | PCline | its actually a form field |
| 21:00.18 | PCline | but it doesnt show me tha way it should be :( |
| 21:00.30 | radz | check apache handler for php |
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| 21:01.00 | opnsrc | Do I need any of those log files or can I just delete them? |
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| 21:01.07 | opnsrc | It won't ruin the system will it? |
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| 21:01.30 | PCline | radz you mean this AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
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| 21:01.37 | Fusionfox | exit |
| 21:01.38 | radz | yep |
| 21:01.41 | PCline | ok |
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| 21:01.45 | Eulex | radz, to get old versions of packages, go to http://snapshot.debian.net/ . and file a bug for the new version of the package. |
| 21:01.54 | radz | Eulex, thanks |
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| 21:02.04 | Eulex | radz, yw |
| 21:02.07 | pokafiesta | alguien de españa |
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| 21:02.17 | Eulex | !es |
| 21:02.17 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:03.15 | radz | Eulex, there is nothing useful :( |
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| 21:03.30 | Eulex | radz, where? |
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| 21:03.42 | radz | I have searched on the site |
| 21:03.56 | radz | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/libp/libpcap/binary-i386/ - no package there |
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| 21:04.23 | radz | I need libpcap0 0.6.2 |
| 21:05.41 | rue_mohr | Eulex they wont answer cause I'm asking in the context of debian |
| 21:05.57 | SunbEEm | hmmm.... so I have this broken bsdgames package. Trying to remove it gives the error that hte package is in a very bad inconsistent state, and to reinstal it. Reinstalling it gives the error that dpkg cannot find the file for bsdgames and I may need to remove it manually. I don't want to make things worse. I just want to finish the update. oh also, putting the package on hold doesn't stop apt-get from still dealing with the current broke |
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| 21:06.25 | Eulex | radz, sorry, dunno then |
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| 21:06.36 | web | how can isee what programs the linux kernel's filesystem cache is devoting itself to |
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| 21:06.45 | Eulex | rue_mohr, then ask how to set up your red hat system to load a specific module on boot. |
| 21:07.12 | radz | Eulex, ok |
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| 21:07.44 | radz | rue_mohr, /etc/modules ??? |
| 21:07.47 | slug | i am using gnome 2.12.2 with samba 3.0.21a-1 installed also some other smb clients but i cant seem to connect to a windows system? |
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| 21:09.04 | opnsrc | using apt-cache search how do i search for "desktop environment" |
| 21:09.22 | dondelelcaro | opnsrc: apt-cache search desktop environment; |
| 21:09.27 | thingfish | opnsrc: I think that's only available as an option through tasksel |
| 21:09.35 | opnsrc | thanks |
| 21:09.40 | thingfish | no problem. |
| 21:09.58 | opnsrc | thanks |
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| 21:11.39 | radz | can anyone test gprs ? |
| 21:11.41 | Gordon_Memory | hey... any idea why the fonts in my twm are so f*cking small? (fresh sarge 3.1 install) |
| 21:12.10 | radz | visit Xdefaults-hostname |
| 21:12.27 | radz | set fonts there |
| 21:12.31 | radz | a guess ;) |
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| 21:13.57 | estevao | hi all |
| 21:14.15 | estevao | my cursor in xfree is white, not black... some idea? should I remove some package? |
| 21:14.23 | radz | gprs users here? I have some questions for you |
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| 21:14.42 | Gordon_Memory | radz: i used xfontsel, and copied that font-description in my .twmrc, but the font's still the same and smal |
| 21:14.43 | Gordon_Memory | l |
| 21:14.48 | radz | estevao, use gimp., recolor cursor |
| 21:15.19 | radz | Gordon_Memory, are you sure that twm uses this file, did you check it with strace? |
| 21:15.23 | PCline | where is the perl scripts directory ? |
| 21:15.24 | houn | I require finger-crossing for my new kernel. |
| 21:15.29 | Gordon_Memory | i'm sure it uses that file |
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| 21:15.34 | houn | That it may not cause another lock |
| 21:15.35 | estevao | radz, is there another way? |
| 21:15.38 | radz | btw, I'm not familiar with twm |
| 21:15.39 | Gordon_Memory | because everything else changes, except the fonts ;) |
| 21:15.49 | radz | estevao, it was a joke, just use KDE |
| 21:16.08 | estevao | radz, but i like gnome |
| 21:16.09 | estevao | :) |
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| 21:16.26 | radz | Gordon_Memory, try to use .Xdefaults-hostname for fonts settings |
| 21:16.31 | prp | hello , i would like to do this: on a web page see: graphs of the network traffic, and what was the uptime of diff worstations in the lan, without having to use snmp.. all i found on google needed snmp some how... can anyone help ? |
| 21:16.38 | Gordon_Memory | thanks ill check that |
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| 21:17.14 | SunbEEm | If you mean perl modules, it has a bunch, like /usr/share/perl /usr/lib/perl etc. the locate command can help find a specific module. or do you mean in a webserver? |
| 21:17.21 | sargas | I've used postfix and exim and configured both of them to use maildir files....for some reason everythings still goign to /var/mail/*, and my MAIL var in zsh is /var/mail/joe, and i'm greping through my filesystem trying to figure out where thats being set :/ |
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| 21:18.34 | kspath | PCline: look at /dev/null stare into it until it sucks you in further |
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| 21:19.44 | PCline | kspath stop taking a piss |
| 21:20.56 | bleaked | does anyone else have a problem where the audio does not sync w/ the video in flash animations? |
| 21:21.01 | bucky | PCline: perl -V |
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| 21:21.15 | FreekNL_ | Is 'ext2resize' not in debian stable or testing?! |
| 21:21.27 | PCline | bucky thanks |
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| 21:22.04 | PCline | whatt ? does apache runs on user " nobody " ? |
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| 21:22.11 | SunbEEm | pcline, perlfaq also has some info on modules, type "perldoc -q installed" |
| 21:22.32 | SunbEEm | to see how to find installed modules |
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| 21:23.07 | bucky | FreekNL_: did you ask me to get the cvs version for you? |
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| 21:24.09 | bucky | FreekNL_: did you ask me to get the cvs version of e2salvage ? |
| 21:25.26 | pigor | hello .. i just have tried to compile my DRI drivers, but the installation script does not find my sources (they are installed): "Cannot find a kernel config file." |
| 21:25.31 | FreekNL_ | bucky no. just asked if ext2resize is in debian stable or testing, recal that it is, the ext2resize.sf.net tell the word it is.. |
| 21:25.48 | bucky | FreekNL_: i mean last night |
| 21:26.15 | FreekNL_ | bucky, no I did not ask you for a cvs version |
| 21:26.23 | bucky | ok |
| 21:26.26 | FreekNL_ | lol |
| 21:27.19 | xam | FreekNL: it seems it is only in sid |
| 21:27.40 | DJ-Marcuzz | hey guys, whats an good programs to download from news servers with nzb's? i heard of nzbperl, but can it par check/repair/unpack to? |
| 21:28.16 | FreekNL_ | xam. hmm.. it wont compile from source, lets see if the version from sid works on sarge.. |
| 21:28.22 | grumpydog | bucky dare you pklgesrc pissflaps |
| 21:28.52 | grumpydog | bucky dare you pkgesrc pissflaps. |
| 21:28.57 | bucky | grumpydog: leave my gf out of this |
| 21:28.57 | grumpydog | hehe |
| 21:29.03 | pigor | hello .. i just have tried to compile my DRI drivers, but the installation script does not find my sources (they are installed): "Cannot find a kernel config file." |
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| 21:30.15 | grumpydog | bucky I love your humour. abrotman had dpkg send me a msg that he thought I was an AOL user. |
| 21:30.34 | bucky | hahaha |
| 21:30.59 | DJ-Marcuzz | someone? |
| 21:31.03 | grumpydog | abrotman, *giggle* |
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| 21:31.09 | grumpydog | =) |
| 21:31.14 | sysdata | oi |
| 21:31.15 | abrotman | !lol |
| 21:31.15 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 21:31.31 | grumpydog | bucky that is what he did |
| 21:31.40 | thingfish | sysdata: there's a #debian-br, if you like. |
| 21:31.46 | grumpydog | abrotman, nice |
| 21:31.49 | bleaked | do any solutions exist for fixing the audio sync problem in flash? |
| 21:32.28 | grumpydog | bleaked depends on config did you symlink to the plugin? |
| 21:32.56 | grumpydog | symlink and you will be fine |
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| 21:33.29 | bleaked | grumpydog. ok..link what to what directory? |
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| 21:34.07 | grumpydog | bleaked what are you using? |
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| 21:35.12 | bleaked | grumpydog. i think flashplayer-mozilla, but let me verify |
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| 21:35.16 | grumpydog | bleaked what do you need support for mozilla firefox etc |
| 21:35.25 | bleaked | firefox |
| 21:35.28 | bleaked | 1.5 |
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| 21:36.04 | grumpydog | ah ok should be /usr/sbin/local/firefox |
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| 21:36.14 | grumpydog | or /bin |
| 21:36.25 | FreekNL_ | which firefox |
| 21:36.30 | grumpydog | depending on how you installled it |
| 21:36.39 | bleaked | grumpydog. it's just /usr/bin/firefox |
| 21:36.55 | grumpydog | symlink it |
| 21:37.18 | bleaked | grumpydog. okay...symlink firefox to where? |
| 21:37.32 | bleaked | (sorry, you're kind of vague) |
| 21:37.56 | grumpydog | bleaked, to flash firefox default browser. |
| 21:38.07 | grumpydog | it is easy |
| 21:38.17 | bucky | bleaked: if you untarred the firefox 1.5 binary into your home dir you can run it by typing firefox/firefox into a run box |
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| 21:38.44 | Lopuz | how do i choose which mirror i download packages from in apt-get? |
| 21:39.14 | SunbEEm | you have to edit /etc/apt/sources.list but read up on it first |
| 21:39.20 | thingfish | !info mozilla-firefox sid |
| 21:39.25 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (Transition package for firefox rename), section web, is optional. Version: 1.5.dfsg-4 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 21:39.44 | Gathond | Lopuz: either do what SunbEEm suggested or use apt-setup |
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| 21:40.24 | bucky | bleaked: the exec is /usr/bin/mozilla-firefox |
| 21:40.37 | bleaked | bucky. um..i don't have a problem running firefox |
| 21:40.41 | bleaked | i'm not an idiot |
| 21:40.47 | bleaked | and i installed it via aptitude |
| 21:40.50 | bleaked | long time ago |
| 21:40.55 | grumpydog | bucky that is rather easy I have always tried to speak and help without complexities Linux suport or BSD. |
| 21:41.00 | bleaked | my problem is that audio is not syncing when i watch flash movies. |
| 21:41.28 | bucky | that really makes it hard to enjoy pr0n |
| 21:41.31 | bleaked | bucky. and for me, the bin is /usr/bin/firefox -- im running sid and it's been renamed. |
| 21:41.40 | streuner | bucky: hehe :-) |
| 21:42.04 | grumpydog | PCline open ports. |
| 21:42.11 | grumpydog | router define |
| 21:42.21 | PCline | hmm |
| 21:42.55 | grumpydog | 22 ssh 21 ftp 6667 irc 443 https |
| 21:43.35 | thingfish | I'm tempted to snag firefox 1.5 from unstable onto my sarge install, but only if it doesn't require updating anything else. |
| 21:43.35 | bleaked | grumpydog. so were you refering to macromedia flash or something else? if you were, i create a symlink of what exactly, and put it where? (i don't know where the flash plug-in is located exactly) |
| 21:43.36 | grumpydog | bleaked, indeed. |
| 21:43.39 | bucky | bleaked: those crappy codecs that ship with marillat usually don't work too well so i just get mine from http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html |
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| 21:43.59 | bleaked | wtf.. |
| 21:44.06 | bleaked | grumpydog. first, you make no sense. |
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| 21:44.51 | bleaked | bucky. im not talking about mplayer. |
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| 21:45.53 | thingfish | Wish I could help you, bleaked, but unfortunately, while I've heard often enough about that problem, I've never picked up the fix for it, or even if there is one. |
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| 21:46.50 | bleaked | thingfish. yea, every forum post i read says that macromedia knows about it, but doesn't care enough to fix it. apparently this one guy bought the codeweavers plug-in and it worked perfectly. |
| 21:47.11 | joeljkp | what's the "correct" way to add /usr/local/lib to the lib search path |
| 21:47.24 | PCline | why does apache points to my router page ? |
| 21:47.30 | bleaked | thingfish. some feel it has something to do with the fact that since 7.0 was released they switched to sending it to the sound daemon and it caused lag..if that even makes sense.. |
| 21:47.33 | azion | Hey all, having a prob with a make install. Says Kernel path not found |
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| 21:47.47 | PCline | its this got something to do with /etc/host ? |
| 21:47.53 | drizzd | joeljkp: I think adding it to /etc/ld.so.conf should be ok |
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| 21:48.07 | joeljkp | drizzd: k, just makin sure |
| 21:48.14 | ezu | which Ncurses libraries need to be installed to do make menuconfig with a kernel? i have not used debian in a few years so im relearning a lot of stuff on what i need again to make things work |
| 21:48.14 | thingfish | bleaked: I know nothing about it. |
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| 21:48.28 | petemc | ezu: libncurses5-dev |
| 21:48.28 | SexyKen | uhm |
| 21:48.32 | SexyKen | I made a big booboo just now |
| 21:48.38 | SexyKen | I issued rm -rf * in the wrong directory |
| 21:48.41 | SexyKen | Anyone know how to undo? |
| 21:48.51 | drizzd | joeljkp: I'm not sure either, but that should work. You'll just have to reinitialize the ld cache somehow |
| 21:48.53 | petemc | SexyKen: what fs? |
| 21:48.57 | thingfish | can't, not that I know of. |
| 21:48.57 | Spec | SexyKen: do you keep backups? |
| 21:49.06 | thingfish | it's gone. |
| 21:49.11 | SexyKen | ext3 |
| 21:49.17 | thingfish | if it's ext3, that is |
| 21:49.19 | ezu | its gone :) |
| 21:49.25 | Spec | ext2 it might still be there, ext3 it's gone |
| 21:49.26 | sylvain | how can i customize debian-installer in order to change the kernel ? where i can find a site ? |
| 21:49.41 | petemc | sylvain: /msg dpkg custom-di |
| 21:49.47 | PCline | where are apache logs ? |
| 21:49.47 | Spec | www.mondorescue.org <-- look into backup software |
| 21:50.07 | petemc | sylvain: make that custom d-i |
| 21:50.08 | joeljkp | drizzd: ldconfig |
| 21:50.15 | SexyKen | there has got to be a way to get the shit |
| 21:50.21 | azion | Any ideas anyone? |
| 21:50.21 | Spec | nope |
| 21:50.25 | drizzd | joeljkp: right |
| 21:50.36 | Spec | that's why you're not supposed to use the -f option, unless you're *really* sure |
| 21:50.37 | SunbEEm | pcline: perhaps your router sets up its html interface on a port apache uses? i.e. maybe your browser goes to the router before even getting to apache |
| 21:50.38 | SexyKen | How to I check the file system again? |
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| 21:50.50 | Spec | check it? e2fsck? |
| 21:50.50 | hermatize | anyone here |
| 21:51.01 | azion | Hey all, having a prob with a make install. Says Kernel path not found |
| 21:51.02 | streuner | hermatize: no |
| 21:51.04 | hermatize | can you add atrpms to debian apt |
| 21:51.07 | hermatize | heh |
| 21:51.19 | hermatize | i wanna switch from fedora to debian |
| 21:51.19 | streuner | hermatize: only 777 people ;-) |
| 21:51.23 | PCline | SunbEEm the port 80 its forwarded in my router conf |
| 21:51.31 | streuner | hermatize: so /msg dpkg d-i |
| 21:51.36 | hermatize | im just wondering how to set up the apt repos |
| 21:51.37 | SexyKen | Spec I mean how do I make sure it's ext3 and not something else |
| 21:51.42 | thingfish | that's how I came to Debian, from fedora. |
| 21:51.43 | streuner | hermatize: /msg dpkg ig |
| 21:51.44 | sylvain | petemc, where can i find a site ? |
| 21:51.46 | PCline | SunbEEm try this one tupacfan.org |
| 21:52.15 | thingfish | hermatize: do you have a nice fast internet connection? |
| 21:52.17 | petemc | !tell sylvain about custom d-i |
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| 21:52.35 | kspath | PCline: have you considered getting paid to troll a different IRC channel? |
| 21:52.48 | SexyKen | this is crap |
| 21:52.50 | SunbEEm | pcline: I got your test page... |
| 21:53.05 | kspath | PCline: If you are not a troll than you need to read a lot of documentation. |
| 21:53.06 | PCline | SunbEEm really ? hmm i cannot see anything |
| 21:53.08 | petemc | SexyKen: computers are stupid, they can only do what you tell them |
| 21:53.26 | hermatize | yeah |
| 21:53.30 | hermatize | ThingFish i do |
| 21:53.30 | PCline | kspath im new to debian man |
| 21:53.34 | sylvain | petemc, thanks |
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| 21:53.43 | petemc | np |
| 21:53.48 | azion | Hey all, having a prob with a make install. Says Kernel path not found |
| 21:53.51 | TriKster_Abacus | Back Up My Hard Drive? How Do I Put It In Reverse? |
| 21:54.07 | grumpydog | Install NetBSd instead it is just as easy. |
| 21:54.15 | hermatize | so can anyone help me in info on how to install atrpms repo to debian |
| 21:54.16 | bucky | azion: make install what? |
| 21:54.26 | kspath | PCline: the questions you are asking indicate you are new to unix/linux to using unix/linux and to configuring any applications for unix/linux systems with applications documentation |
| 21:54.42 | thingfish | hermatize: then get the netinstall image, burn it to cd, and boot to it. It's a small download, will install a base system, reboot, then it will download the rest of what you choose to install from either http or ftp. |
| 21:54.47 | azion | It's a driver |
| 21:54.51 | azion | MADWifi is the name |
| 21:54.53 | petemc | hermatize: if you're using fedora, you need to configure yum, someone in the fedora channel can help you with that |
| 21:54.55 | thingfish | It's real efficient. |
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| 21:55.10 | Spec | corrupt: turn that off |
| 21:55.18 | PCline | kspath lol apache runt into diff user , group, diff path root, diff config files then fedora :P |
| 21:55.28 | grumpydog | Look girls, if you never made a hardware inventory, I have no sympathy. |
| 21:55.30 | thingfish | hehe oh yes, someone in #fedora will help him set up yum to install debian. |
| 21:55.35 | thingfish | sure. |
| 21:55.46 | mcgreg | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/usr/lib/gcc/powerpc-linux-gnu/4.0.2/include/stddef.h', needed by `../obj-ppc/build/scripts/asfilter.o' - can anybody< tell me what the fuck is this? |
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| 21:55.47 | azion | bucky, O have gcc and make installed |
| 21:55.48 | PCline | kspath also poatfix .. im not going to keep it anyway . im just testing |
| 21:55.52 | Spec | corrupt: if everyone had something like that configured, then we'd get hundreds of those messages every 10-15 minutes |
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| 21:55.59 | solemnwarning | hi all |
| 21:56.06 | bucky | azion: where's your kernel sources? |
| 21:56.08 | solemnwarning | i ran apt-get upgrade earlier |
| 21:56.13 | grumpydog | bucky he needs wx |
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| 21:56.16 | azion | bucky, not sure |
| 21:56.22 | petemc | thingfish: thats not what i said |
| 21:56.24 | frqnck | qq |
| 21:56.25 | solemnwarning | and loads of libs are missing from /usr/X11R6/lib |
| 21:56.25 | peterS | mcgreg: cross compilers aren't really for amateurs |
| 21:56.27 | Spec | azion: check in /usr/local/src |
| 21:56.33 | solemnwarning | even though i have the apt packages |
| 21:56.37 | azion | bucky, It also says /usr/src/linux does not exist |
| 21:56.37 | solemnwarning | how do i get them back? |
| 21:56.47 | bucky | azion: try module-assistant auto-install madwifi |
| 21:56.49 | thingfish | petemc: oh sorry, maybe I misunderstood. |
| 21:56.56 | mcgreg | why cross? I am not using crosscompilers... |
| 21:57.00 | bucky | azion: see if that works |
| 21:57.09 | peterS | mcgreg: oh, I misinterpreted that message. what *are* you compiling? |
| 21:57.22 | azion | bucky, Command not found |
| 21:57.32 | mcgreg | MOL - maconlinux ... though I already compiled it a few times, now I get this |
| 21:57.40 | thingfish | in fact, maybe I misunderstand hermatize's goals completely. |
| 21:57.41 | bucky | azion: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 21:57.45 | kspath | PCline: fedora will fit you great. When you are ready Debian will still be around for your upgrade purposes. |
| 21:57.51 | Spec | no |
| 21:57.53 | Spec | not fedora -. |
| 21:57.53 | peterS | mcgreg: did you upgrade gcc since you last compiled mol? |
| 21:57.54 | azion | bucky, Command not found |
| 21:57.58 | Spec | try Ubuntu, PCline |
| 21:58.06 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:58.10 | bucky | azion: you don't have apt-get? |
| 21:58.11 | azion | bucky, No net on the PC |
| 21:58.18 | mcgreg | peterS: probably. I apt-upgrade every day... |
| 21:58.22 | azion | bucky, Sorry, typo |
| 21:58.30 | peterS | mcgreg: in that case you probably need to 'make depend' or 'make dep' or 'make clean' |
| 21:58.33 | mcgreg | peterS: using unstable |
| 21:58.36 | PCline | Spec why , its ubuntu better or ? |
| 21:58.42 | mcgreg | ok, I try |
| 21:58.57 | peterS | mcgreg: different projects support 'make dep' or 'make depends' or other similar targets, but if you can't find the right one, 'make clean' ought to do the same |
| 21:59.10 | mcgreg | ok, thx you |
| 21:59.13 | hermatize | what package management does ubuntu use |
| 21:59.22 | kspath | PCline: indications are that Ubuntu is far superior to Fedora but the admin matters a lot. |
| 21:59.22 | Spec | apt |
| 21:59.23 | peterS | hermatize: ask them in #ubuntu. but they use dpkg and apt |
| 21:59.24 | Spec | it's based on debian |
| 21:59.25 | azion | bucky, The madwifi is a driver package |
| 21:59.27 | Spec | that's why ubuntu is better |
| 21:59.31 | Spec | than fedora |
| 21:59.35 | Spec | or rather, it sucks less than fedora |
| 21:59.39 | azion | bucky, Should I try .debs instead |
| 21:59.50 | PCline | kspath is it superior to fedora ? hmm |
| 21:59.52 | streuner | Spec: you sounds like you want join #ubuntu |
| 21:59.54 | Hor | hi all |
| 22:00.00 | Spec | streuner: i am in #ubuntu |
| 22:00.08 | streuner | Spec: ok... |
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| 22:00.11 | Spec | ... |
| 22:00.11 | Hor | someone have a d-link dwl g520+ pci card in debian ? |
| 22:00.21 | Spec | I promote ubuntu in education places...like at the NECC conference |
| 22:00.25 | PCline | kspath and whos superior to debian ? :) |
| 22:00.28 | Spec | i use debian though for my servers, ...is there a problem with that? |
| 22:00.35 | streuner | if you wanna support ubuntu support it, but NOT here... |
| 22:00.35 | kspath | PCline: if you want an os than just go run CentOS42 or RHEL and enjoy they are decent server OSs |
| 22:00.50 | corrupt | someone has a "blue fritz" bluetooth usb stick? |
| 22:00.55 | Spec | i wasn't supporting it, i was recommending it for PCline, since i'd rather him be a ubuntu user than a debian user ;) |
| 22:01.15 | PCline | Spec whats the diff |
| 22:01.23 | kspath | PCline: superior is in the eye of the beholder. I run Debian because I like it very much. It fits me. It works properly. It is stable. .... |
| 22:01.27 | PCline | kspath centos its also shit |
| 22:01.33 | Spec | PCline: www.justfuckinggoogle.com |
| 22:01.40 | Spec | err |
| 22:01.44 | PCline | Spec hehe |
| 22:01.46 | Spec | www.justfuckinggoogleit.com * sorry, mispelled |
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| 22:02.33 | kspath | PCline: I wish you were even remotely clueful about distributions. Go try them all. If you dev for Fedora than go back to #fedora and giggle |
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| 22:03.29 | Arumnus | Spec: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before also a good read |
| 22:03.57 | ^ATOMIC^ | is there anyway to get latest time? |
| 22:03.59 | devin_ | Im missing some etch sources, in my source.list can some plz pastebin me theres so i can get my nvidia drivers |
| 22:04.09 | ^ATOMIC^ | like automaticly set the time on my box? |
| 22:04.26 | falkon | ^ATOMIC^: ntpdate |
| 22:04.40 | streuner | !set time |
| 22:04.40 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 22:05.14 | bucky | ^ATOMIC^: telnet time.nist.gov 13 |
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| 22:05.51 | falkon | Is anyone here experienced with init scripts? I have read the manual and checked out /etc/init.d/skeleton, but I still have questions |
| 22:06.03 | peterS | falkon: sure, ask |
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| 22:06.23 | hkais | hello |
| 22:06.24 | falkon | I don't think the program I want to run has a pid file, and I really just don't know what I'm doing |
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| 22:07.14 | hkais | i have troubles with my debian setup. |
| 22:07.14 | hkais | i want to run suexec with php under apache2 (sarge) but it will not work properly |
| 22:07.14 | joeljkp | falkon: when the script runs start-stop-daemon, it creates a pid file |
| 22:07.14 | peterS | falkon: yeah the best mechanism to kill a daemon is kind of specific, particularly when you don't have a PID file to work with |
| 22:07.27 | ^ATOMIC^ | bucky that did nothing |
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| 22:07.29 | falkon | okay, the program is i8kmon. usually I just run it as a daemon by typing i8kmon -a -d on the command line. How do I stick this into a nifty init script to run on startup? |
| 22:07.32 | johhny_b | when i try printing out a page in linux, it prints the page out but empty, linuxserver ---> windows client that works fine but linuxserver ---> linux client does not work |
| 22:07.36 | johhny_b | anyone? |
| 22:07.39 | johhny_b | just prints empty pages |
| 22:07.41 | johhny_b | but from windows it works |
| 22:07.55 | peterS | joeljkp: no, s-s-d does not create a pid file. unless you use --make-pidfile. |
| 22:08.10 | joeljkp | peterS: ah, well, yeah |
| 22:08.11 | bucky | ^ATOMIC^: it's 53752 06-01-17 22:08:02 00 0 0 799.9 UTC(NIST) * |
| 22:08.18 | matadon | Yay, I get a fresh new managed server, and they fuck up resolv.conf. *sigh* |
| 22:08.23 | johhny_b | anyone ? |
| 22:08.27 | falkon | peterS: this is just a program I want to run on startup. Does the program make the pid or does the init script? |
| 22:08.39 | joeljkp | falkon: i'd look up the manpage for start-stop-daemon |
| 22:08.40 | streuner | matadon: sounds like DHCP |
| 22:08.50 | johhny_b | how come windows it better then linux at this? i dont understand |
| 22:08.55 | joeljkp | falkon: there are options to make a pid file, and options to pass parameters to the daemon |
| 22:08.58 | peterS | falkon: normally the program does. if it doesn't, you can try using start-stop-daemon with --make-pidfile and --background, and pass the program some option that makes it *not* background itself |
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| 22:09.13 | ^ATOMIC^ | bucky can i pm |
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| 22:09.45 | bucky | ^ATOMIC^: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ |
| 22:09.53 | falkon | peterS: anywhere I can find an example of this? Honestly, the manual isn't even specific on the format of an init file |
| 22:10.06 | falkon | peterS: it just says it has to have start and stop and whatnot |
| 22:10.14 | peterS | falkon: the init file is a shell script that takes one mandatory parameter, 'start' or 'stop' or 'restart' or 'force-reload'. |
| 22:10.17 | johhny_b | anyone? |
| 22:10.29 | peterS | falkon: you could write the init script in any language, I suppose, though bourne shell is most common |
| 22:10.46 | johhny_b | please help me out, i just sat for 6 hours to even get it working now it works but not in linux |
| 22:10.57 | falkon | peterS: yeah, I just want a shell script. all I want it to do is run i8kmon with the -a option |
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| 22:11.13 | falkon | peterS: I also have NO idea what to put under the stop part |
| 22:11.42 | devin_ | can someone pastebin be there sources.list if its " etch" |
| 22:11.49 | peterS | falkon: somehow you have to kill the thing you started. there are various ways to go about it |
| 22:12.01 | peterS | falkon: if you don't have a pid file, start-stop-daemon has other means of stopping something |
| 22:12.07 | valdyn | devin_: just run apt-setup |
| 22:12.15 | falkon | peterS: is it acceptable to just put 'killall i8kmon' as the stop part? |
| 22:12.20 | SexyKen | So there is absolutely no way to recover a directory deleted using rm -rf on ext3 eh? |
| 22:12.31 | peterS | falkon: sure, assuming you don't think any of your users will have their own processes named 'i8kmon' |
| 22:12.38 | devin_ | valdyn yes i did but its missing sources where i can install my nvida drivers |
| 22:12.46 | devin_ | cant* |
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| 22:13.06 | valdyn | devin_: after 'main' add 'contrib non-free' |
| 22:13.08 | falkon | peterS: shouldn't. this is the temp and fan monitor for my laptop, it should only run once on startup and stay running |
| 22:14.25 | valdyn | johhny_b: read your log files |
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| 22:15.21 | devin_ | with the debian sarge live cd support wireless |
| 22:15.24 | johhny_b | valdyn: no errors :/ |
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| 22:16.28 | valdyn | johhny_b: assuming you were right, then you were using the wrong printer driver |
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| 22:17.02 | matadon | When mirroring a Debian install, you load a package list with 'dpkg --set-selections', and then have to run something to actually download and configure the packages...but I forget what this something is. |
| 22:17.07 | johhny_b | valdyn: thats just stupid, it works from the server and from a client windows box, so that cannot be the problem, thats just stupid |
| 22:17.19 | estevao | hi all, when I telnet to localhost 3306, im granted with this message: 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL serverConnection closed by foreign host. |
| 22:17.23 | estevao | some idea? |
| 22:17.25 | croddy | what's this about a sarge livecd? |
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| 22:18.08 | Sonny | hi, can somebody tell me where can I download the kernel 2.6.12 from? |
| 22:18.21 | valdyn | johhny_b: your linux client pipes the data thru a driver too, just like your windows box, this does not have anything to do with the server. |
| 22:18.25 | Sonny | i want to install it in my debian sarge |
| 22:18.34 | streuner | Sonny: you don't |
| 22:18.56 | estevao | Sonny, did u try kernel.org? |
| 22:18.57 | streuner | Sonny: sarge has 2.6.8, if you install those kernels its your own risk |
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| 22:19.50 | streuner | (official kernel-images) |
| 22:20.05 | streuner | Sonny: why do you think you need that? |
| 22:20.07 | falkon | peterS: okay, with s-s-d if I want to execute something the program as I would 'i8kmon -a' do I type that in or is there another way to set the -a flag for the program? |
| 22:20.37 | peterS | falkon: it has a fine manpage. don't try to write an init script without reading it. it tells you how to pass arguments to the program |
| 22:20.40 | falkon | peterS: sorry, I don't know if that was even english |
| 22:20.50 | falkon | ahh okay |
| 22:20.55 | falkon | that'll do |
| 22:21.05 | peterS | falkon: the first synopsis line shows where you put the 'arguments' |
| 22:21.19 | Sonny | streuner: I know but I want to compile it, where can i download it, besides kernel.org |
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| 22:21.48 | streuner | Sonny: answer my question first |
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| 22:22.18 | streuner | Sonny: why do you think you need that? |
| 22:22.34 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:22.34 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:22.49 | Sonny | streuner: because i need support for some hardware and 2.6.8 it's too old for me |
| 22:23.05 | Euler | Alright... question and answer time... is there a way to use apt-get, or some other debian tool to install a package in your home directory instead of the default location? |
| 22:23.16 | streuner | Sonny: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 22:23.34 | johhny_b | valdyn: how do you mean? |
| 22:23.39 | matadon | Euler: Use alien to convert it to a .tgz package, and then just treat it like a tarball. |
| 22:23.51 | matadon | Euler: You'll have to do some legwork, so to speak, though. |
| 22:23.54 | streuner | !tell jo3 about away |
| 22:23.55 | valdyn | johhny_b: pick the proper driver on your linux _Client_ |
| 22:23.58 | johhny_b | i had to install the drivers on the windows box, but i dont have drivers on the linux client installed |
| 22:24.00 | streuner | jo3: turn that off |
| 22:24.01 | johhny_b | ah ok |
| 22:24.06 | johhny_b | valdyn: where do i config them ? |
| 22:24.08 | prp | hello , i would like to do this: on a web page see: graphs of the network traffic, and what was the uptime of diff worstations in the lan, without having to use snmp.. all i found on google needed snmp some how... can anyone help ? |
| 22:24.10 | vulture | Euler: not exactly.. you could create a chroot (sort of a false root directory structure) somewhere in your user directory and install within that.. what're you interested in achieving? |
| 22:24.22 | johhny_b | : /etc/cups/client.conf ?? |
| 22:24.34 | valdyn | johhny_b: http://localhost:631/ |
| 22:24.34 | Sonny | streuner: what is it? |
| 22:24.48 | johhny_b | valdyn: ah on the client box you mean? |
| 22:24.54 | valdyn | johhny_b: yes |
| 22:24.54 | streuner | Sonny: some packages which are newer and run on sarge |
| 22:25.07 | johhny_b | so i need the cupsd on both the client and the server? |
| 22:25.07 | Euler | vulture, I have a webhosting account with dreamhost (running debian) and I of course cannot install software to the default locations. I am able to install to my local directory though. |
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| 22:25.25 | streuner | Sonny: just read the factoid |
| 22:25.31 | Sonny | streuner: should I execute that? |
| 22:25.35 | Sonny | ok |
| 22:25.45 | johhny_b | valdyn: read that stupid gentoo howto and it sayed i only needed to configure /etc/cups/client.conf file |
| 22:25.48 | valdyn | johhny_b: in your current setup, yes |
| 22:25.59 | Euler | It is too bad there is no apt-get install --prefix=/home/me somepackage |
| 22:26.00 | johhny_b | valdyn: how do i change it so i dont need the drivers? |
| 22:26.09 | valdyn | johhny_b: no idea |
| 22:26.15 | johhny_b | valdyn: cos its quite stupid to have to install the drivers on everything imo |
| 22:26.23 | johhny_b | valdyn: thanks a lot anyways :)) |
| 22:26.24 | devin_ | is there a easier and less complicated way to install nvidia drivers. becuase everytime i try i break glx |
| 22:26.25 | asg | Euler: Dreamhost is pretty good about installing software for you. You might send them an email request to see. |
| 22:26.44 | vulture | Euler: probably simplest to run a chroot with your own debian install inside it, perhaps. But yeah - request main installation if you can. |
| 22:26.46 | valdyn | johhny_b: maybe its stupid, but maybe it also takes offloads work from the server to the clients |
| 22:26.54 | mcgreg | how do I "configure kernel-headers"? |
| 22:27.10 | streuner | mcgreg: you just install them |
| 22:27.21 | streuner | mcgreg: there is no need to configure it |
| 22:27.24 | mcgreg | --- Error: Unconfigured kernel headers! |
| 22:27.24 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:27.31 | mcgreg | but I have them... |
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| 22:27.35 | johhny_b | valdyn: ... you are maybe right.. maybe i, the one who is stupid... it usualy tends to be like that :P |
| 22:27.37 | streuner | !b-e mcgreg |
| 22:27.38 | dpkg | mcgreg: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 22:27.45 | johhny_b | valdyn: thanx anyways :) i will try this out :) |
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| 22:28.16 | Euler | Why don't you think the debian package system supports different install directories? |
| 22:28.16 | mcgreg | streuner: I am running 2.6.15-1, so I installed 2.6.15-1-kernel-headers |
| 22:28.17 | johhny_b | valdyn: just found it, hehe its a security risk to use a filedevice, that seems to be what i wanted. |
| 22:28.29 | streuner | mcgreg: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 22:29.22 | mcgreg | streuner: paste here or priv? |
| 22:29.30 | streuner | paste it here |
| 22:29.34 | mcgreg | Pegasos2:/usr/src/linux# dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500 |
| 22:29.34 | mcgreg | ii libc6 2.3.5-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 22:29.35 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.35 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:29.35 | mcgreg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:29.50 | johhny_b | valdyn: does the name of the printer on the client need to be the same as the one on the server? and same with "location" |
| 22:29.59 | streuner | what sources.list do you have? :-) |
| 22:30.05 | mcgreg | using unstable |
| 22:30.12 | streuner | mcgreg: show us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paster) |
| 22:30.19 | mcgreg | http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de unstable/main Packages |
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| 22:30.25 | streuner | nah |
| 22:30.35 | mcgreg | as always... |
| 22:31.00 | soymilk | what's this continual connection reset business on this network? |
| 22:31.09 | streuner | you have stable in sources.list too... |
| 22:31.31 | streuner | your sources.list is fucked up |
| 22:31.43 | mcgreg | yes, I have everything in my sources... and it is usually ok |
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| 22:32.05 | mcgreg | streuner: why, what is the problem? |
| 22:32.15 | streuner | bad sourses.list cause headaches |
| 22:32.20 | neoxon | hey i could use some help |
| 22:32.27 | Sonny | streuner: what if I just change in my sources.list stable for testing, and download the linux-source 2.6.12 ? |
| 22:32.30 | neoxon | dont laugh to hard |
| 22:32.37 | streuner | mcgrep: just show us |
| 22:32.41 | neoxon | first time using linux loaded up debian |
| 22:32.42 | mcgreg | ok |
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| 22:32.55 | neoxon | i want to get to the x windows er kde desktop whatever |
| 22:32.58 | streuner | Sonny: would be also possible |
| 22:33.04 | neoxon | loged in dont kno where to go from there |
| 22:33.18 | neoxon | dont kno any commands but help lol |
| 22:33.45 | matadon | Yay for 'apt-get dselect-upgrade' |
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| 22:34.08 | mcgreg | http://channels.debian.net/paste/1579 |
| 22:34.58 | SperMite | shouldnt joystick be compiled in the kernel as default? |
| 22:35.19 | neoxon | plz help lol |
| 22:35.24 | streuner | mcgreg: this sources.list is just insane |
| 22:35.39 | mcgreg | well, I never got problem with that |
| 22:35.43 | streuner | mcgreg: it has everything, stable, testing and unstable there... |
| 22:35.59 | mcgreg | yes, usually always latet56s version available is chosen |
| 22:36.00 | streuner | mcgrep: well, you're running unstable |
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| 22:36.35 | mcgreg | streuner: sure, I always ran unstable, since day one of debian for me :) |
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| 22:37.12 | streuner | mcgreg: just install build-essential |
| 22:37.21 | mcgreg | I might found the problem... |
| 22:37.23 | npx | I always forget about build-essential, too |
| 22:38.00 | johhny_b | valdyn: still there? |
| 22:38.05 | Sonny | streuner: ok I'm downloading the linux-image-2.6.12-1-686-smp wish me luck |
| 22:38.14 | streuner | good luck |
| 22:38.22 | peterS | !bless Sonny |
| 22:38.23 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Sonny, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
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| 22:38.55 | mcgreg | streuner: I prolly installed wrong kernel header, I ned 2.6.15 , not -1 ;D |
| 22:39.30 | streuner | mcgreg: uname -r |
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| 22:39.58 | mcgreg | 2.6.15-1-powerpc |
| 22:40.09 | mcgreg | now after installing 2.6.15 too, ikt worked bettert |
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| 22:43.57 | tuv | is there a way to customize the screensaver's username/password dialog look? |
| 22:44.09 | tuv | it looks ugly! |
| 22:44.28 | PCline | ubuntu its actually debian isnt it ? |
| 22:44.38 | cisee | based on |
| 22:45.19 | dondelelcaro | tuv: sure, you've got the source, customize away. |
| 22:45.22 | PCline | cisee ubunt comes out with a new version every six months, what about debian ? |
| 22:45.42 | dondelelcaro | PCline: we release when the software is actually ready to be released. We don't do time based release schedules. |
| 22:45.58 | PCline | ohh i see |
| 22:46.14 | PCline | when was the previous ine released ? |
| 22:46.17 | PCline | *one |
| 22:47.00 | _rene_ | PCline: June? July? somewhere around that. |
| 22:47.04 | tuv | dondelelcaro: aren't there available choices? e.g. ubuntu's dialog is much nicer than xscreensaver's default.. aren't there other themes or something.. i don't want my debian to look like ubuntu you know :) |
| 22:47.16 | PCline | _rene_ cheers |
| 22:47.42 | Aghaster | how come cant i change my screen resolution to something higher than 800x600? what factors can affect this? |
| 22:48.08 | _rene_ | PCline: I just looked, 6.7. |
| 22:48.22 | PCline | what do you mean ? |
| 22:48.35 | _rene_ | PCline: just looked when it was released. |
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| 22:48.48 | _rene_ | PCline: (which you evidently could have done yourself, but..) |
| 22:48.54 | resiak | !drxx Aghaster |
| 22:48.54 | dpkg | Aghaster: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:48.59 | _rene_ | PCline: and just told you that it was June, 6th |
| 22:49.06 | Aghaster | ok |
| 22:49.18 | resiak | tuv: I believe Ubuntu uses gnome-screensaver, which is only in very recent Gnomes. |
| 22:49.33 | Azar | PCline, tuv windows is nice too but buggy as hell |
| 22:49.33 | PCline | _rene_ ok thank you |
| 22:49.41 | PCline | Azar lool |
| 22:49.51 | tuv | Azar: Windows?? yak |
| 22:50.08 | Azar | do you think ubuntu is flawless? |
| 22:50.20 | Azar | you like quickies you get quickies |
| 22:50.40 | tuv | i think ubuntu's screensaver username/password dialog is much nicer than xscreensaver's default |
| 22:50.53 | Azar | tuv then stick with it |
| 22:51.12 | Azar | that why ubuntu was created to please ones like you |
| 22:51.14 | tuv | Azar: you want me to stick to ubuntu because of its screensaver? |
| 22:51.32 | tuv | Azar: so you think debian cannot please those people? |
| 22:51.43 | Azar | I like Debian as is, and I dont want to release quickies under people's pressures |
| 22:52.04 | tuv | Azar: ubuntu was created to please those uncapable of creating what would please them.. i'm looking for ways to please myself with debian |
| 22:52.15 | Azar | tuv I sat on Debian console command line 3 years , hever had X installed and I liked it |
| 22:52.57 | tuv | Azar: debian is capable of pleasing console-only users as well as X users |
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| 22:53.13 | Azar | I used links for browser and nethack for gaming, no mouse, no colors, no sound |
| 22:53.46 | tuv | that's a horrible thing to do! |
| 22:53.51 | Azar | tuv, you can allways go with unstable and please your eyes with unstable software |
| 22:54.07 | bbrazil | yes, nethack should be played with colour |
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| 22:54.41 | tuv | Azar: you are not getting my point.. i'm not looking for alternatives to debian.. i'm happy with it. i'm just trying to explore ways to customize it further |
| 22:55.03 | Azar | tuv you did not understand, or are not aware of your choices with Debian |
| 22:55.23 | tuv | Azar: how is that? |
| 22:55.23 | Azar | you can run Stable and not complain, testing, or unstable, all 3 are Debian |
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| 22:55.46 | tuv | Azar: what made you thing i didn't understand that choice? |
| 22:55.53 | Azar | tuv lots of people here are running Debian unstable |
| 22:55.54 | tuv | s/thing/think |
| 22:56.13 | CosmoDad | how can I deny insecure passwords (given using adduser or passwd) and repeat password input? fiddled with pam, but couldn't find any (the?) appropriate argument |
| 22:56.28 | Azar | ..because there are people who do not complain and have the balls to go for unstable |
| 22:56.34 | kspath | !fedorasmite PCline |
| 22:56.43 | tuv | Azar: actually i'm running testing and a small number of unstable packages.. i don't want to be all unstable since this would increase maintenance time |
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| 22:57.00 | Azar | tuv: no pain, no gain |
| 22:57.37 | tuv | Azar: i'm using my pc to facilitate my work, not the other way around |
| 22:57.37 | dondelelcaro | tuv: you're generally better off just running testing; if you want specific packages from unstable, you can use pinning to do that, but you need to be really carefull with which packages that you actually install. |
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| 22:59.04 | Azar | tuv I am running Sarge, and I work ok with it, it does facilitates my work without the need for a nice looking login graphic or screensaver |
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| 22:59.11 | tuv | actually, xscreensaver is almost the same version in both testing and unstable: 4.23-3 vs. 4.23-4.. so this won't do it |
| 22:59.50 | tuv | Azar: what is it with you and nice things.. if you don't like nice there are people who do |
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| 23:00.00 | Azar | tuv wheter you do programming, text processing or spreadsheets, I can't see how a screensaver could bother you |
| 23:00.36 | tuv | Azar: it's the only thing left that i'd like changed ;) |
| 23:00.51 | karsten | Anyone have info on the http://sweng.csd.auth.gr/ survey? Who are the principles? |
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| 23:00.56 | Azar | tuv, I never use a screensaver and it really do not feel the need for one |
| 23:01.12 | tuv | Azar: i use only to lock my screen |
| 23:01.36 | tuv | Azar: you have another solution other than screensaver to lock a screen? |
| 23:02.00 | Azar | yep logoff |
| 23:02.15 | Azar | see if someone can guess your password |
| 23:02.19 | tuv | Azar: logoff is different than locking a screen.. i got applications running |
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| 23:02.59 | Azar | tuv I guess you got a kde or gnome with nice icons in plain view |
| 23:02.59 | karsten | tuv: xlock (possibly deprecated), xscreensaver. |
| 23:04.18 | kspath | there is also vlock if you want to use virt consoles for stuffs |
| 23:04.20 | karsten | tuv: xscreensaver's changed its confirmation dialog recently, if you follow unstable/testing you'll see it soon. If your computer facilitates your work and not vice versa, I'd find something else to worry about. |
| 23:04.52 | kspath | vlock can be quite nice to have around |
| 23:05.03 | Azar | tuv: my desktop: http://www.geocities.com/spaceproxy/onix/Kadish02.jpg |
| 23:05.39 | Azar | there are open programs on there can you see any? |
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| 23:06.12 | Azar | :) no karsten on - minimize they get hidden |
| 23:06.18 | tuv | Azar: no i can't.. what is that? |
| 23:06.33 | Azar | tuv that's my desktop with hidden minimized programs |
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| 23:06.44 | kspath | ion3 openbox3 and if you must fluxbox are your friends |
| 23:07.01 | Azar | all I need is to just right click and open the destkop manager to view/maximize them |
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| 23:09.45 | daos | can someone help me with squid and ntlm_auth? I have it configured but squid always asks for a username/passwd |
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| 23:10.22 | jibarz | hello |
| 23:10.25 | jibarz | I have a problem with wordpress, on having acceded to a link of my web, the ip that indicates is the local ip of the server (192.168.1.4), and when I accede to it from outside, logically, it does not work. |
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| 23:10.46 | jibarz | That I have to touch in order that it marks the global direction? |
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| 23:12.31 | bleaked | so i installed mysql along with amarok since it uses mysql for it's collection db..did apt set up a default root account with this or how can i access the root account? |
| 23:13.13 | KerPlunk | bleaked: mysqladmin whatyouwanttodohere -p |
| 23:13.26 | KerPlunk | ie mysqladmin drop amarok -p |
| 23:13.28 | KerPlunk | or something |
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| 23:14.19 | bleaked | KerPlunk. well, i want to use mysql for a personal website hosted off of this box..and well, i need the root account |
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| 23:15.57 | solidgroove | 3.1r1 dist-upgrade to sid then compile and install kernel 2.6.15 cause many problems? |
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| 23:18.02 | stew | bleaked: it defaults to no password, read /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian |
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| 23:19.14 | tuv | bleaked: amarok doesn't have to use mysql.. it could use sqlite with no configuration at all |
| 23:19.37 | kspath | I was amazed to fine there is a #mysql and a website or two devoted to mysql |
| 23:19.51 | PerfDave | bleaked: And then you could use a real database like POstgres for your website! ;) |
| 23:19.51 | bleaked | tuv. well, i chose mysql since i knew i would be using it in the future |
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| 23:20.05 | kspath | !postgresql |
| 23:20.06 | dpkg | A robust, mature and full-featured relational database implementing a large subset of SQL. No replication; supports views, stored procedures, triggers and several embedded languages (including PL and Perl). Has some interesting OO extensions. Packaged in Debian as 'postgresql'. Also see http://postgresql.org. |
| 23:20.11 | yer | im back |
| 23:20.11 | curt | is there a way to resize partitions. In particular my /usr drive is packed and I have lots of space elsewhere. |
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| 23:20.53 | PerfDave | curt: There are several ways to resize partitions. I assume you're not using LVM? |
| 23:21.02 | bleaked | PerfDave, kspath, yea, but i just want to mess around with mamboserver to see how i like it..nothing production here. |
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| 23:21.14 | psycho666 | sometimes pkill doesn't work |
| 23:21.17 | psycho666 | do u know why ? |
| 23:21.20 | rollerbob | how do i change my monitor resolution? i have a 19inches monitor, and it seems like is in 1024x768, i want 1600x1200.. what should i do? |
| 23:21.26 | tuv | is there any benefit of using LVM on a single HD? |
| 23:21.26 | PerfDave | bleaked: Postgres is till nicer to work with even on small projects :) |
| 23:21.34 | rollerbob | im using icewm btw |
| 23:21.34 | curt | PerfDave, no I am not |
| 23:21.38 | PerfDave | tuv: Yes, it allows you to resize partitions easily :) |
| 23:21.45 | bleaked | PerfDave. maybe true, but mamboserver calls for mysql |
| 23:21.48 | kspath | bleaked: install both? |
| 23:21.53 | PerfDave | !drxx rollerbob |
| 23:21.54 | dpkg | rollerbob: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:22.00 | PerfDave | bleaked: It does? What a pile of shit it must be :) |
| 23:22.02 | Azar | rollerbob: if you have xfree86 run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 as root |
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| 23:22.20 | curt | PerfDave, is it as easy as installing lvm or should I know more |
| 23:22.22 | tuv | PerfDave: any impact on performance? |
| 23:22.24 | bleaked | kspath. meh..this is a desktop, not a production-class server |
| 23:22.25 | PerfDave | bleaked: Oh, wait, is it written in PHP? :) |
| 23:22.33 | deadcat | how do i scroll up in irssi? |
| 23:22.39 | kspath | bleaked: sqlrelay ? |
| 23:22.44 | Azar | deadcat, pgup pgdown |
| 23:22.52 | deadcat | Azar: inside SCREEN? |
| 23:22.59 | Azar | deadcat yes |
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| 23:23.02 | kspath | PerfDave: hehehe |
| 23:23.04 | Azar | with the screen active |
| 23:23.06 | ebb | deadcat: pgup |
| 23:23.09 | rollerbob | Azar: hi again :P i did that.. but i have a question.. do i have to set all the possible resolutions for my monitor? (800x600, 1024x768 etc) or just 1600? |
| 23:23.10 | deadcat | k |
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| 23:23.24 | deadcat | oh there we go (= |
| 23:23.36 | PerfDave | curt: If you haven't set up your system on LVM, it will be very hard to do so. If you haven't, then to resize partitions you're best off rebooting to a System Rescue CD and using (qt)parted |
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| 23:23.58 | Azar | rollerbob: best is to have only 3 resolutions , the favorite one, and two additional say 1024x768 as favorite and the other two as additonal |
| 23:24.08 | kyncani | curt: and _make backup_ first ! |
| 23:24.20 | PerfDave | rollerbob: You only *have* to set the resolution you want to use, setting others allows you to switch between them as needed. This may be useful for games etc. |
| 23:24.20 | Azar | rollerbob: you will see it when you reconfigure xserver-xfree86, it will guide you screen by screen |
| 23:24.34 | curt | PerfDave, I might just save this one for another day. I will get around to it but it sounds like I might need more time to research first |
| 23:24.37 | npx | I like to have a wide variety of resolutions so I can crtl+alt+numbpad(+|-) through them to get a good look at small/big pictures |
| 23:25.04 | dscener | i cannot figure out how to get sound in totem (gnome.) i have a tv tuner card, and i think that could be affecting it. |
| 23:25.07 | curt | PerfDave, I have way too much stuff on this box to mess it up |
| 23:25.20 | npx | dscener, sound works elsewhere? |
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| 23:25.41 | dscener | npx: yup, it's fine in xmms |
| 23:25.44 | ezu | where does debian store the grub.conf at ? |
| 23:25.49 | deadcat | how do i get the list of users in the channel? /list ? |
| 23:25.51 | npx | dscener, check what output plugin XMMS is using |
| 23:26.22 | yer | could someone point me to a howto on using a nvida card with tvout (i already have tvout working) however i want the tv set to 800x600, NOT 1280x1024@800x600 |
| 23:26.27 | npx | dscener, I'm not sure if GNOME still has some audio mixer daemon, but if it does I would suggest turning it off - I've had nothing but trouble out of artsd et al |
| 23:26.29 | dscener | npx: eSound output plugin 1.2.10 |
| 23:26.44 | PerfDave | compnn: Well, you should be keeping backups anyway :) |
| 23:26.56 | npx | dscener, yeah, I'd turn eSound off and use direct ALSA or OSS output |
| 23:27.00 | PerfDave | Whoops, I meant curnot compnn |
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| 23:27.20 | yer | would it be possible to set up the tv to be display 0:1 ? |
| 23:27.26 | PerfDave | ezu: I think you probably want /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:27.42 | yer | so i could export display=localhost:0,1 &&mplayer ? |
| 23:27.44 | npx | dscener, if you have some strong urge to have hardware mixing so you can listen to more than one stream at a time, I'd advise spending $15 and getting an SB Live 5.1 value edition |
| 23:28.02 | yer | or should i just install windows :P |
| 23:28.05 | npx | dscener, alternatively, you could google around and see if totem has an eSound output plugin |
| 23:28.07 | Azar | security question here: say if I run unstable and I start using non-deb packages is there any chance I could inadvertently use a software with a hidden rootkit embedded in Debian? |
| 23:28.23 | dscener | npx: i don't. not sure how to remove esound though without pulling all of gnome along with it. |
| 23:28.24 | npx | apt-cache search totem|grep sound might be a decent starting point |
| 23:28.29 | PerfDave | Azar: Yes Yes :) |
| 23:28.31 | ezu | PerfDave, looks like it.. im just use to grub.conf .. |
| 23:28.43 | Azar | PerfDave :D yay!! thanks |
| 23:28.50 | npx | dscener, well, removing it isn't necessary, just disabling it. I'm not a GNOME user, but it should be in their Control Panel thing in sound options |
| 23:28.54 | bleaked | stew. im attempting to set the root password as the readme suggests, however, i'm getting an access denied. |
| 23:29.01 | Azar | ..as nowadays more and more non-free software tend to use rootkits |
| 23:29.13 | yer | i dont know why i even bother to come here anymore. someone could at least dignify me with a response, even if that response is a "feck off" |
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| 23:29.31 | npx | yer, feck off |
| 23:29.35 | Azar | yer sorry your nick was too small to be noticed, what was about? |
| 23:29.36 | npx | ehehe, but really |
| 23:29.39 | PerfDave | Azar: What's non-free got to do with it? You could inadvertantly pick up a rootkit running anything :) |
| 23:29.41 | yer | npx, :D |
| 23:29.48 | yer | Azar, thanks |
| 23:29.59 | Azar | PerfDave, sorry, I ment "commercial software" |
| 23:30.02 | tuv | can i setup part of the disk using LVM or does it have to be the entire disk? |
| 23:30.06 | npx | dscener, any luck? |
| 23:30.11 | yer | Azar, its about seting my tv to be 800x600, but not at 1280x1024@800x600 |
| 23:30.27 | PerfDave | yer: It woudl help if you actually asked a question on one line instead of spread over about five minutes. It would help if you waited a while for a response before insulting the channel, and if you tried repeating your question occasionaly. |
| 23:30.32 | dscener | npx: got xmms set up now, checking otu totem |
| 23:30.34 | PerfDave | yer: /msg dpkg further help |
| 23:30.34 | dvm1981 | I look for a HOWTO build a kernel, but in the Debian way, could someone point me to the right way? |
| 23:30.47 | Azar | yer, now I see the reason: myself I never tried TV on my PC so I would really not know but I am looking for something for you right now |
| 23:30.50 | PerfDave | yer: It would also help if you contacted the provider of your non-free nvidia software :) |
| 23:30.59 | yer | PerfDave, i prefer to not repeat |
| 23:31.00 | PerfDave | dvm1981: man make-kpkg :) |
| 23:31.06 | stew | bleaked: what happens when you just type "mysql -u root" |
| 23:31.09 | dotCOMmie | dvm1981: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2949 |
| 23:31.11 | dscener | npx: perfect. thanks man |
| 23:31.11 | Azar | PerfDave, I seen something on Debian manuals.. looking for it |
| 23:31.15 | npx | dscener, no prob |
| 23:31.25 | PerfDave | yer: Well, it's how IRC works I'm afraid. |
| 23:31.33 | bleaked | stew. ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO) |
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| 23:31.41 | yer | PerfDave, yeah i know |
| 23:31.41 | stew | bleaked: then you have set a password already |
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| 23:32.09 | dvm1981 | PerfDave: That give me a lot of info, really thankx |
| 23:32.16 | Vooloo | What is the process of doing ns1.domain.com being the real DNS server, and then having another domain ns1.domain2.com point to the same? Dns-alias, forwarding or what? |
| 23:32.26 | dvm1981 | dotCOMmie: I look into, really thankx |
| 23:32.30 | dotCOMmie | dvm1981: that howto is a tad old but is still very usefull |
| 23:32.31 | yer | Azar, thanks anyway man, sorry im a bit fusterated after messing with metamode lines in my xfree86-config |
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| 23:33.02 | yer | Azar, but basically all im asking is how to set up a second "screen" section |
| 23:33.04 | PerfDave | dvm1981: To be fair, the "Debian way" of compiling a kernel is not to bother and use a kernel-image package :) |
| 23:33.10 | yer | i think its called not using xenorama? |
| 23:33.11 | yer | mabe? |
| 23:33.21 | bleaked | stew. ack..well every possible password i have in my head is not working.. |
| 23:33.22 | dotCOMmie | PerfDave: bullshit |
| 23:33.29 | bleaked | stew. is there anything i can do? |
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| 23:33.54 | npx | you won't see much, if any, performance increase using a custom-built kernel versus a debian package for your arch |
| 23:33.58 | dotCOMmie | PerfDave: no stock kernel will offer you the flexibility a custom kernel can |
| 23:34.01 | npx | and you might even introduce bugs/vulnerabilities |
| 23:34.17 | stew | bleaked: is there data in the database you need to recover? |
| 23:34.21 | dvm1981 | dotCOMmie: PerfDave Thankx to you to, for giving help and advieses :-) |
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| 23:34.27 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: Debian kernel-images are good enough for 99% of users :) |
| 23:34.38 | MartianSpider | dotCOMmie, how often do you need that added flexibility? |
| 23:34.44 | bleaked | stew. i guess nothing important, just my amarok db, which i think can easily be rebuilt. |
| 23:35.00 | stew | http://news.postnuke.com/Article1273.html |
| 23:35.04 | bleaked | stew. i've never forgotten a password before..this is very odd.. |
| 23:35.08 | dotCOMmie | MartianSpider: I only use stock kernels to get my machine running enough to compile everything else |
| 23:35.18 | npx | The remaining 1% of users don't need to come to #Debian and ask how to build a kernel |
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| 23:35.38 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: Have you considered using Gentoo? I hear it's really flexible. |
| 23:35.39 | dotCOMmie | MartianSpider: everytime you want to patch in some weird driver |
| 23:35.42 | Haukkari | npx: that many people don't know how to build a kernel? :/ |
| 23:35.49 | Haukkari | !gentoosmite PerfDave |
| 23:35.51 | jason^ | is there anything to get smart status from an ide drive within linux? |
| 23:35.57 | Haukkari | jason^: yes, smartmontools |
| 23:35.58 | dotCOMmie | npx: true |
| 23:36.02 | PerfDave | jason^: smartd, smartmontools :) |
| 23:36.06 | tuv | when i was using debian's 2.6.8 kernel, i had to recompile it to support Alps touchpads |
| 23:36.24 | npx | You didn't have to recompile the whole thing, just the modules |
| 23:36.26 | tuv | the patch is now included in 2.6.12 though |
| 23:36.27 | dotCOMmie | PerfDave: yeah I've heard of gentoo but I have a life |
| 23:36.37 | npx | dotCOMmie, I don't believe it =) |
| 23:36.42 | tuv | npx: it's a patch not a module |
| 23:36.45 | Haukkari | dotCOMmie: =) |
| 23:37.01 | npx | tuv, it doesn't patch one of the input modules? |
| 23:37.02 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: A life you spend compiling custom kernels on Debian? ;) |
| 23:37.30 | rabies | LiFe |
| 23:37.40 | dotCOMmie | PerfDave: it only takes 30 min to compile a kernel unless you are on a 486 with 20MB of memory |
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| 23:37.49 | tuv | npx: i don't remember now, but it's one of the mouse modules i guess... not sure though if it was a module or compiled into debian's kernel |
| 23:37.53 | Azar | yer, sorry I could not find nothing i have no idea about tv/video cards.. |
| 23:37.53 | dotCOMmie | (speaking from experience) |
| 23:38.00 | linux_user400354 | i installed wu-ftp on ubuntu. is there something i have to do before my computer can be used for ftp? |
| 23:38.05 | rabies | dotCOMmie: takes me forevar |
| 23:38.06 | npx | tuv, i guess it's possible it could've been a bit of both |
| 23:38.12 | rabies | linux_user400354: #ubuntu |
| 23:38.20 | rabies | linux_user400354: wrong channel |
| 23:38.25 | PerfDave | linux_user400354: Ask #ubuntu :) |
| 23:38.30 | dotCOMmie | rabies: how much shit do you include which you dont need? |
| 23:38.30 | npx | #UBUNTU #UBUNTU |
| 23:38.31 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: That's 30 minutes of your life that you'll never get back :) |
| 23:38.35 | rabies | dotCOMmie: a lot |
| 23:38.42 | dotCOMmie | rabies: there you go |
| 23:38.48 | linux_user400354 | i wish the people in #ubuntu would answer my question i asked 5 minutes ago |
| 23:38.48 | rabies | dotCOMmie: so? still takes an hour |
| 23:39.02 | deadcat | linux_user400354: because they dont know. |
| 23:39.04 | rabies | linux_user400354: yeah...thats you should use debian |
| 23:39.14 | PerfDave | linux_user400354: So do we, because #debian is the wrong place to ask Ubuntu questions, whether the people in #ubuntu answer you or not :) |
| 23:39.18 | dotCOMmie | PerfDave: 30 min of cpu time not my life |
| 23:39.21 | yer | Azar, hey, thanks for trying man. oh well back to google |
| 23:39.36 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: Plus all thet ime configuring it, blah blah bah :) |
| 23:39.37 | linux_user400354 | irc is the wrong place to get help cause the people dont want to help |
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| 23:39.52 | npx | he's right, 110%, I'm just here for the porn |
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| 23:40.02 | Haukkari | npx: :D |
| 23:40.05 | PerfDave | Yeah, I never help anybody on IRC, I just take the piss out of people who waste their lives hand-compiling kernels :) |
| 23:40.08 | dotCOMmie | PerfDave: you spend 40 min per machine and you'r done in the future you barely have to do anything |
| 23:40.10 | Azar | I wonder why ubuntu does not care about its users on irc |
| 23:40.11 | Haukkari | The old saying about Linux users... |
| 23:40.19 | Haukkari | You go and ask for help, they give you "RTFM, stupid" |
| 23:40.26 | PerfDave | Azar: Because they have shiny phpbb web forums! :) |
| 23:40.30 | rabies | Azar: they do usually, its just that its all vollunteers and the help level varies depending on the time of day |
| 23:40.36 | Haukkari | but when you go and say "Linux sucks, I can't even do **** in Linux, Windows is much better", you get all the 900 Linux nerds helping you.. |
| 23:40.36 | npx | then they ask for help asking for help and are told to RTFM |
| 23:40.39 | deadcat | lindenle: damn strage. we aint helping noone |
| 23:40.41 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: Or just use kernel-image packages and have even less to do ;) |
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| 23:40.48 | deadcat | oops |
| 23:40.59 | solidgroove | ubuntu channel is so retarded thats one main reason i dont use ubuntu |
| 23:41.00 | PerfDave | Haukkari: Generally, when people like yer go on about how Windows is better, I tell them to fuck off an use Windows :) |
| 23:41.01 | dotCOMmie | PerfDave: to but I want those weird drivers d: |
| 23:41.01 | jvw | PerfDave: forums.debian.net |
| 23:41.09 | Azar | they should put on the first installer screen un ubuntu: this is NOT debian |
| 23:41.10 | rabies | Azar: honestly i dont understand the ideal behind ubuntu, seems like a lot of marketing bullshit to me |
| 23:41.12 | Haukkari | PerfDave: yep. :) |
| 23:41.15 | deadcat | solidgroove: how so? how retarted? |
| 23:41.23 | npx | I -like- the idea behind Ubuntu |
| 23:41.30 | solidgroove | the people ask the worst possible questions |
| 23:41.32 | Haukkari | PerfDave: but I saw lots of things like that on #gentoo and, well, everywhere else too. :) |
| 23:41.36 | Azar | rabies, commercial companies want to make an easy buck with an eye-pleasing quickie OS |
| 23:41.37 | deadcat | npx: dont ask wont help? |
| 23:41.37 | rabies | npx: to take a distro and put a new spin on it? |
| 23:41.40 | dotCOMmie | anyone have problem with usb mouse where it doesnt work if you plug it in after x boots? |
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| 23:41.44 | solidgroove | grub has to be the easiset thing to understand and run |
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| 23:41.51 | npx | i think of ubuntu as a staging ground for cool things that can be implemented in Debian |
| 23:41.53 | rabies | Azar: but its not any more eye pleasing then debian and its not any easier to use |
| 23:41.58 | rabies | npx: thats unstable... |
| 23:42.02 | pawdro | has anyone played Medal of Honor on debian? i cant play it because it cant find default.cfg, I googled and dont find an answer, any ideas? |
| 23:42.06 | npx | Unstable doesn't have a FOCUS |
| 23:42.09 | rabies | its like sid, released |
| 23:42.20 | solidgroove | pawdro with wine/cedega? |
| 23:42.21 | rabies | with no root user |
| 23:42.25 | Azar | Debian will never "borrow" from other distros, rather I guess is opposite |
| 23:42.29 | Haukkari | Ubuntu is really nice. Everything works by default, even lots of laptop hardware and you have all the applications installed and all that crap... |
| 23:42.31 | npx | it introduces everything all willy-nilly, Ubuntu is focused on a good graphical UI experience |
| 23:42.38 | deadcat | i am pretty sure ubuntu will fuck up the debian community one of these days. |
| 23:42.40 | Haukkari | PerfDave: oops, sorry. |
| 23:42.42 | deadcat | i can see it. |
| 23:42.42 | Ronin | *cough* #debian-offtopic |
| 23:42.43 | pawdro | solidgroove: what do you mean? |
| 23:42.43 | rabies | o_O |
| 23:42.54 | Azar | ok is offtopic sorry for starting it |
| 23:42.56 | rabies | Ronin: dont even try...theres no ontopic for this chan |
| 23:42.59 | rabies | :) |
| 23:43.03 | solidgroove | pawdro is it a linux game or is it emulated/not emulated in linux? |
| 23:43.05 | azeem | rabies: eh, there is |
| 23:43.06 | Ronin | rabies: heh true but we do try |
| 23:43.08 | PerfDave | Ronin: Fuck no, #debian-offtopic is for perving over teenage Singabporeans |
| 23:43.21 | npx | and we all know it's way too early for that perfdave |
| 23:43.28 | solidgroove | i think it might be permissions on the file or the dir to make the file |
| 23:43.39 | PerfDave | jvw: How lame! (re. http://forums.debian.net/). At least they're not official ;) |
| 23:43.45 | rabies | dotCOMmie: you have hotplug installed? |
| 23:43.49 | Ronin | off before i go PerfDave female teenagers i trust? |
| 23:43.53 | dotCOMmie | rabies: yes |
| 23:43.54 | deadcat | Ronin: you sick SOB (= |
| 23:44.01 | pawdro | solidgroove: i downloaded installer for linux and installed it using that script |
| 23:44.03 | solidgroove | oh 3.1r1 is done i must burn.. thx god its seriously the only good distro |
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| 23:44.06 | rabies | dotCOMmie: i dont think that X detects hardware after its been started, just restart X |
| 23:44.08 | dotCOMmie | rabies: I tried restating it after I put the mouse in but no help |
| 23:44.09 | PerfDave | Ronin: Not necessarily |
| 23:44.13 | Ronin | ewwwww |
| 23:44.17 | rabies | dotCOMmie: make sure the drivers are loaded propertly |
| 23:44.20 | rabies | properly |
| 23:44.22 | dotCOMmie | rabies: thats what I did but slightly annoying |
| 23:44.26 | rabies | dotCOMmie: ? |
| 23:44.30 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: Maybe you need to use a Debian-provided kernel-image ;) |
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| 23:44.37 | rabies | PerfDave: lol... |
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| 23:44.47 | dotCOMmie | rabies: restarting x |
| 23:45.01 | Azar | yer : http://www.gmpf.de/index.php/NVidia:TV-OUT ? |
| 23:45.11 | npx | dotCOMmie, really dude |
| 23:45.26 | npx | the debian images have lots of patches integrated |
| 23:45.41 | npx | everything is built as a module |
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| 23:45.47 | rabies | dotCOMmie: i suppose, but in theory theres no reason you should not have your mouse plugged in when you comp turns on |
| 23:45.53 | Azar | yer: http://staff.dstc.edu.au/croy/mythtv/ ? |
| 23:45.53 | dotCOMmie | npx: perhaps next time I set up a fresh machine I should explore it a bit |
| 23:45.58 | solidgroove | where are the md5's for 3.1r1 cd1? |
| 23:46.01 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to chain several files together when mounting -o loop? |
| 23:46.04 | Haukkari | Arr... I wonder, what's this war between Gentoo and Debian? I'm not sure if it's still as strong as it was a few years back... Is it? |
| 23:46.07 | dotCOMmie | rabies: laptop .. |
| 23:46.18 | rabies | dotCOMmie: oh, thats different |
| 23:46.21 | rabies | dotCOMmie: laptops are quirky |
| 23:46.25 | dotCOMmie | yeah |
| 23:46.26 | npx | dotCOMmie, I think you'll have a hard time noticing any difference between a custom image and a debian img built for your arch |
| 23:46.26 | SerajewelKS | i need to save some huge files on FAT32, so my first thought was to make an ext3 filesystem in a file on the FS... stupid me |
| 23:46.31 | SerajewelKS | but if i could use several files... |
| 23:46.32 | dotCOMmie | it used to work and then just stopped |
| 23:46.39 | rabies | dotCOMmie: touchpads and all that, i really dunno anything about laptop hardware |
| 23:46.44 | npx | dotCOMmie, you're having issues with mouse autodetection? |
| 23:46.50 | PerfDave | dotCOMmie: Well, I use Debian kernel-image packages, and have no problem hotplugging USB mice with X :) |
| 23:46.56 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: just split the file(s) ? |
| 23:47.07 | npx | Yeah; I'm in the same boat as PerfDave |
| 23:47.11 | rabies | rabies: should be using /dev/input/mouse], but thats all i know |
| 23:47.14 | npx | it works fine on my powerbook |
| 23:47.17 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: files are on ntfs (ro) being copied with scp |
| 23:47.26 | rabies | rabies: if its 2.6 that is |
| 23:47.43 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: you can't make an LVM-ish thing with files? |
| 23:47.57 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: you can dd over ssh |
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| 23:48.17 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: gah, i'm backing up a whole tree |
| 23:48.46 | daos | anyone able to help with squid and external auth programs? I am trying to use samba/ad authentication |
| 23:48.49 | dotCOMmie | npx: you could be saying the truth but I like latest cool drivers every now and then |
| 23:48.54 | tuv | dotCOMmie: do you have an entry for the usb mouse in X conf file? |
| 23:48.57 | dotCOMmie | and other weird kernel features |
| 23:49.01 | dotCOMmie | tuv: yes |
| 23:49.12 | dotCOMmie | let me take a second peak |
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| 23:49.28 | tuv | dotCOMmie: do you see anything in dmesg related to the mouse once you plug it? |
| 23:49.31 | johhny_b | why does windows need drivers for my printer when my printer is on the network? |
| 23:49.39 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: i dont know much about lvm, if it can concatenated partitions to a big one then it likely can concatenate files just as well |
| 23:49.55 | _rene_ | because windows sucks? |
| 23:49.58 | _rene_ | wrong channel :) |
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| 23:50.03 | daos | johhny_b: cause that is how windows talks to the printer |
| 23:50.13 | johhny_b | daos: so its a must? |
| 23:50.24 | johhny_b | daos: cos thats wack :) |
| 23:50.24 | valdyn | johhny_b: thats just the default, it can be done however you configure it |
| 23:50.25 | daos | johhny_b: yes |
| 23:50.35 | johhny_b | i want windows not to ask for drivers |
| 23:50.39 | dotCOMmie | tuv: actually something interesting showed up after I restarted x |
| 23:50.41 | dotCOMmie | one sec |
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| 23:50.48 | johhny_b | cos on my old windows 95/98 box i dont have the drivers |
| 23:50.55 | daos | johhny_b: it should install them automattically |
| 23:50.55 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: hmm.. i'd have to install LVM =/ |
| 23:51.10 | daos | johhny_b: atleast for 2k and xp |
| 23:51.14 | johhny_b | daos: it asks for them, it says that the server wants to send the drivers but they are not correct |
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| 23:51.20 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: er, is the LVM "driver" or whatever in the stock debian kernel? |
| 23:51.22 | johhny_b | so then it asks for drivers from me |
| 23:51.29 | Haukkari | Why dpkg doesn't know anything about ADOM? And yeah, why ADOM isn't even in the non-free-part of apt? |
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| 23:51.33 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: and just the setup utility in a package? |
| 23:51.41 | daos | what are you sharing the printer off? |
| 23:51.46 | daos | a debian box? |
| 23:51.50 | johhny_b | yepp |
| 23:52.03 | _rene_ | Haukkari: because no one didn't package it? because it's even to non-free for non-free? or illegal in some way? |
| 23:52.04 | pawdro | solidgroove: strace mohaa | grep default.cfg shows |
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| 23:52.05 | pawdro | http://paste.debian.net/3803 |
| 23:52.10 | _rene_ | Haukkari: either one of them.. |
| 23:52.26 | valdyn | SerajewelKS: yea |
| 23:52.29 | Haukkari | _rene_: I don't think so, but yeah, thanks :) |
| 23:52.44 | _rene_ | Haukkari: well, one of them is it. |
| 23:52.51 | johhny_b | daos: i dont get this, any howtos or something like that out there? |
| 23:52.54 | misleb | Anyone know where I would get started trying to install Debian stable under FreeBSD emulation? I know how to setup the freebsd emulation and all that, but I don't know how to install Debain without booting the installer. Do i just buiild dpkg and start installing the basedebs? |
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| 23:53.06 | daos | johhny_b: hmm, it sounds like an issue that the drivers aren't available from theh debian box |
| 23:53.24 | daos | johhny_b: windows usually drags the drivers down from the server |
| 23:53.29 | nwp_ | misleb you might want to have a look at debootstrap |
| 23:53.32 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: what's the difference between lvm2 and lvm10? |
| 23:53.42 | johhny_b | daos: how can it do that when its not the same drivers or do the linux drivers work in windows? |
| 23:54.08 | misleb | nwp_: Ah, thanks. |
| 23:54.16 | daos | johhny_b: I don't know how you would go about tell the Windows system that the drivers are available from the linux box |
| 23:54.47 | daos | johhny_b: thats what I mean, when the printer is on a windows box |
| 23:55.02 | johhny_b | no no, the printer is on a linux box |
| 23:55.13 | SerajewelKS | valdyn: nm |
| 23:55.19 | johhny_b | and i am using a windows box |
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| 23:55.28 | daos | johhny_b: maybe look for a windows driver that can be published on a linux box |
| 23:55.54 | johhny_b | daos: what happends when you add a printer in windows? does it ask for drivers? |
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| 23:56.02 | monteiro | what do u advise me, sarge running backports or unstable with the latest packages? |
| 23:56.07 | daos | johhny_b: yes i get that, when you install a printer from a windows server it pulls the driver from the server |
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| 23:56.15 | SerajewelKS | monteiro: that depends on what you're trying to do |
| 23:56.30 | daos | ok do a \\servername |
| 23:56.34 | KerPlunk | !tell monteiro about ask |
| 23:56.40 | johhny_b | dotCOMmie: huh? |
| 23:56.43 | johhny_b | where? |
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| 23:56.49 | adrakoa | hi |
| 23:56.53 | monteiro | KerPlunk : ok, sorry |
| 23:56.54 | daos | and then right click on the printer name and select connect |
| 23:57.01 | monteiro | SerajewelKS : Desktop |
| 23:57.03 | daos | johhny_b: start --> run |
| 23:57.17 | KerPlunk | !greet adrakoa |
| 23:57.18 | dpkg | Salutations, adrakoa |
| 23:57.26 | daos | johhny_b: then \\servername |
| 23:57.33 | SerajewelKS | monteiro: i use etch on my desktop |
| 23:57.43 | johhny_b | daos: asks for password and username |
| 23:57.43 | SerajewelKS | monteiro: it's newer than sarge but stabler than sid |
| 23:57.48 | tuv | is windows now more relevant than ubuntu??? |
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| 23:57.55 | SerajewelKS | monteiro: granted some things are broken, but i can live with it |
| 23:58.07 | daos | johhny_b: so do you have samba setup? |
| 23:58.08 | Virtual_ | Hello, I have the following problem, i just recieved my dedicated server and i can`t login into ssh because my root password doesn`t work, when i try the same password only ssh`ing from another dedicated server it works ok, same applies for a users password, any idea what is the problem / |
| 23:58.17 | johhny_b | daos: yes |
| 23:58.20 | KerPlunk | monteiro: I use etch on my desktop also. |
| 23:58.25 | johhny_b | now i have loged in to the network |
| 23:58.41 | Ronin | Virtual_: what errors do you get |
| 23:58.46 | monteiro | SerajewelKS, KerPlunk : ok, i'll trie etch :) tks for the advise |
| 23:58.55 | KerPlunk | Virtual_: By default debian's ssh will not allow you to login as root, you must login as a non-root user. iirc |
| 23:58.58 | daos | johhny_b: well shouldn't it auth itself if you are using a correct username/passwd |
| 23:59.06 | SerajewelKS | monteiro: np |
| 23:59.10 | KerPlunk | Virtual_: the ssh daemon that is. |
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| 23:59.36 | Virtual_ | Ronin: from the remote server i try no erros logs in fine, from home i use Putty and don`t get any errors only that my password is incorrect |
| 23:59.57 | Virtual_ | KerPlunk: i has specified i tried the same process with a user, same works from remote server but not from home, from home saying password incorrect |
