| 00:00.06 | SimonRaven | ok. did you fetch the build-deps too? |
| 00:00.22 | tictac | Evo-lex: its free of course. the md5sums make sure that your copy of the iso is bit-for-bit identical to the original one on the server |
| 00:00.36 | bahamat | SimonRaven: yes, I did |
| 00:00.46 | Evo-lex | ok, what is the server adress |
| 00:00.51 | bahamat | SimonRaven: and I did the debian/rules binary |
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| 00:01.08 | bahamat | SimonRaven: I got everything else, just not mysql-common, and none of the other packages will install without it |
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| 00:01.33 | shadowarts | i am having a little problem, somehow the www-data user seems to have spawned about 600-700 processes all with the COMMAND 3 |
| 00:01.34 | spdf | Evo-lex, Plenty of sources on google. Its a common utility |
| 00:01.47 | nse | Hello everybody! apt-get remove gnome-keyring wants to remove 216Mb of files... what's happening? I'm having troubles tomanage passwords with this app |
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| 00:02.13 | shadowarts | is there anyway i can stop them all? |
| 00:02.28 | mlewis00 | amphi: I have the acpid installed and functional but I don't know what tools to use to monitor events and activate standby/suspend/hibernate. Also, if I activate S3 manually the system immediately comes out of suspend because of interrupts from the NIC or other hardware. |
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| 00:02.34 | spdf | nse, is it possible that those packages depend on gnome-keyring? |
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| 00:02.52 | SimonRaven | bahamat: cool. normally that should get built. check the control file. and run 'fakeroot debian/rules build' first if it exists (it should). might want to take a look at the debian/rules file to see if you missed any targets |
| 00:03.33 | bahamat | SimonRaven: I did binary, not build |
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| 00:03.42 | aXp | hi all! |
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| 00:03.57 | aXp | anyone familar with vi (advanced usage)? |
| 00:03.57 | nse | spdf: yes it is. strange, dont you think? |
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| 00:04.17 | PerfDave | shadowarts: killall |
| 00:04.22 | PerfDave | shadowarts: And stop Apache from running too |
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| 00:04.23 | SimonRaven | bahamat: this is why i usually run dpkg-buildpackage or debuild. it takes care of all the targets |
| 00:05.57 | SimonRaven | weee |
| 00:05.57 | nse | oh fuck |
| 00:05.57 | PerfDave | shadowarts: It's quite possible that your machine has been compromised if www-data is running processes you don't expect. |
| 00:05.57 | amphi | mlewis00: you can watch events if you stop acpid and run it in the shell; then make scripts that are invoked for each event; I can give you some examples in PM if you want |
| 00:05.57 | jcurry | tee-hee |
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| 00:05.58 | shadowarts | PerfDave, its a web server and i except apache to be running |
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| 00:05.58 | SimonRaven | quite. |
| 00:05.58 | shadowarts | any clue what the command 3 is |
| 00:05.58 | SimonRaven | wtf |
| 00:05.59 | PerfDave | shadowarts: Yes, but if www-data is running 700 processes that you can't identify, then it's probably a sensible precaution to kill apache until you find out what's going on. |
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| 00:06.09 | shadowarts | PerfDave, i did and port 80 is blocked by the router right now |
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| 00:06.41 | bahamat | SimonRaven: ok, trying again with dpkg-buildpackage instead |
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| 00:07.10 | nse | Is there a way to configure the gnome keyring password!? this is getting hard |
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| 00:07.26 | SimonRaven | bahamat: read the --help first at least, get an idea of what you need |
| 00:07.34 | shadowarts | apaches logs dont tell me much |
| 00:07.45 | mlewis00 | amphi: OK... |
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| 00:08.28 | shadowarts | except someone was trying to attack it as if it were a windows server\ |
| 00:08.44 | mlewis00 | amphi: As long as nobody will get upset about the discussion moving out of the channel :) |
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| 00:09.26 | SimonRaven | shadowarts: i get that every once in a while... *boooring* |
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| 00:09.42 | aXp | need some help on vi (need to change some things on multiple lines ==> void(foo); ==> void(bar) {} ) {-bracket should be in a new line! |
| 00:09.53 | shadowarts | SimonRaven, yeah but your apache didnt spawn 700 processes either |
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| 00:10.28 | SimonRaven | no, but one of the MPM modules spawns like 400 threads with the default apache2.conf |
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| 00:10.38 | resiak | aXp: #vim ? |
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| 00:10.43 | dir | when i do a fresh install of debian stable, does apt pull the most updated versions of the packages in stable? or is the stable packages not updated when they are downloaded? |
| 00:10.50 | aXp | resiak thx ;) |
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| 00:10.53 | jcurry | how do i log off a user? |
| 00:10.54 | shadowarts | this is an apache 1.3.33 server |
| 00:11.01 | shadowarts | they dont really appear to be threads |
| 00:11.10 | resiak | jcurry: You mean forcibly? Kill their login shell. |
| 00:11.15 | SimonRaven | shadowarts: having a problem with the slave ldap server, and i saw like 10 extra ones =) |
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| 00:11.49 | jcurry | resiak, ok...how would i do that? which process? |
| 00:12.18 | resiak | jcurry: How should I know? |
| 00:12.25 | resiak | jcurry: pstree might help |
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| 00:13.32 | Evo-lex | ok everytime i install |
| 00:13.37 | Evo-lex | i get differant errors |
| 00:13.44 | jcurry | resiak, hmm, 'who' says a user is logged in, but 'ps aux | grep username', i get nothing |
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| 00:14.10 | Evo-lex | this time its.. unable to install initrd-tools |
| 00:14.17 | dir | does anyone know? |
| 00:14.22 | shadowarts | SimonRaven, are there logs in linux of each users activity? (not .bash_history though i dont think www-data has one) |
| 00:14.24 | dir | or have experience in this? |
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| 00:14.44 | bob2 | dir: depends if yo utell apt to hit up the network or not |
| 00:14.56 | dir | bob2: yes i do a stable net install |
| 00:15.02 | SimonRaven | shadowarts: depends. depends on what you want to see |
| 00:15.08 | resiak | jcurry: Then your utmp/wtmp (I don't know which is which) is screwed, and I dont' know how to help there. |
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| 00:15.13 | bob2 | dir: then it will get updates at the end |
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| 00:15.37 | shadowarts | SimonRaven, maybe something about processes the user spawned |
| 00:16.01 | dir | bob2: oh ok, so doing a netinstall will result in debian fetching the most recent packages available for stable? |
| 00:16.04 | SimonRaven | process table |
| 00:16.24 | SimonRaven | no logs per see, unless you install something like atop |
| 00:16.29 | SimonRaven | s/see/se/ |
| 00:16.52 | dir | bob2: i was hoping this wasn't the case... X crashes frequently so I figured it was the case of needing updating fixed packages... |
| 00:17.05 | jcurry | resiak, ok, next question...i am logged in as user via ssh, and user is also logged in locally...can i view their tty? i can get root privs |
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| 00:17.23 | resiak | jcurry: not with advanced preparation |
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| 00:17.49 | jcurry | resiak, i am logged in as that user, what would i need to do? |
| 00:18.16 | resiak | jcurry: What you really want to do is to use `screen` in future. |
| 00:18.17 | dir | bob2: thank you |
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| 00:19.15 | jcurry | resiak, aha, ok |
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| 00:19.45 | Evo-lex | may i have a download link to debian |
| 00:19.46 | jcurry | resiak, i was planning to explore that, thanks for the help! |
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| 00:20.01 | gravity | Evo-lex: /topic |
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| 00:20.24 | Evo-lex | ...? |
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| 00:20.37 | dvs | Evo-lex: The first thing in the topic |
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| 00:21.24 | Evo-lex | doesnt work... |
| 00:21.53 | gravity | Evo-lex: Works for me. Check the sidebar on www.debian.org |
| 00:21.58 | gravity | That'll have what you want |
| 00:22.01 | Evo-lex | msg dpkg install debian |
| 00:22.05 | Evo-lex | you mean that yeah |
| 00:22.10 | gravity | Evo-lex: The slash is important |
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| 00:22.55 | Evo-lex | lol yeah i know |
| 00:22.56 | SimonRaven | @wb gravity |
| 00:22.57 | ravenbird | Welcome back gravity, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
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| 00:23.18 | Evo-lex | would u recommend the stable or the testing...? |
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| 00:23.32 | gravity | SimonRaven: Thanks :-) |
| 00:23.43 | gravity | Evo-lex: That depends on your needs and what you want to do |
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| 00:24.36 | gravity | So you'll have to expand a bit... |
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| 00:24.45 | shadowarts | is there anyway to tell when a process was started? |
| 00:24.53 | SEJeff | I am trying to compile audacity cvs on etch and am messing something up |
| 00:25.03 | Evo-lex | do i need to download each of the iso's? |
| 00:25.17 | gravity | Evo-lex: No, you only need the netinstall CD really |
| 00:25.25 | Evo-lex | ok |
| 00:25.36 | SEJeff | I have all of the libraries installed, but it is looking for one under /usr/include/wx that exists under /usr/include/wx-2.6/wx/ how can I tell it where to fetch the libraries from with ./configure? |
| 00:25.56 | gravity | SEJeff: ./configure --help will tell you the switch to give it |
| 00:26.05 | gravity | SEJeff: There should be one that lets you specify it |
| 00:26.07 | SEJeff | gravity: Nope, tried that |
| 00:26.15 | gravity | Hrm, odd |
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| 00:26.37 | gravity | SEJeff: You can patch your CVS sources to look in the right place, or you can symlink them I suppose... |
| 00:26.39 | linh | hi |
| 00:26.42 | gravity | But that's kinda ugly |
| 00:26.50 | linh | do you kno whwat is a good program to beautiful c source file? |
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| 00:27.18 | bob2 | linh: astyle? |
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| 00:29.15 | ryan` | hmm |
| 00:29.30 | ryan` | ps is not finding showing some UIDs numericly. |
| 00:29.40 | ryan` | anyone know why it might be doing that? |
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| 00:30.17 | Tortel | ps? |
| 00:30.23 | ryan` | yeah |
| 00:30.28 | ryan` | i run pa aux |
| 00:30.30 | ryan` | er |
| 00:30.31 | ryan` | ps aux |
| 00:30.43 | ryan` | and it shous the user as 108 instead of smokeping |
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| 00:30.47 | resiak | !tell ryan` -about enter |
| 00:31.00 | bahamat | SimonRaven: am I going crazy, because it said "dpkg-buildpackage: full upload (original source is included)" but I still don't have a mysql-common package :-( |
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| 00:31.49 | bahamat | SimonRaven: it even includes -dev packages now, just no -common |
| 00:32.08 | gravity | bahamat: Is there a -common in the debian/control? |
| 00:32.41 | bahamat | gravity: no |
| 00:32.47 | gravity | There's your reason |
| 00:32.52 | bahamat | gravity: so how do I get mysql-common? |
| 00:32.53 | gravity | It's in a different source package probably |
| 00:32.58 | gravity | apt-get source mysql-common |
| 00:32.59 | bahamat | gravity: no it isn't |
| 00:33.09 | bahamat | gravity: I did that |
| 00:33.14 | gravity | Uh... |
| 00:33.21 | bahamat | gravity: that's how I got my source in the first place |
| 00:33.23 | gravity | if it's not in debian/control, dpkg won't build the package |
| 00:33.29 | SimonRaven | yup |
| 00:33.30 | bahamat | fuck |
| 00:34.14 | SimonRaven | sorry about that, i didn't realise which package you tried to build from |
| 00:34.38 | bahamat | gravity: that's where I got my sources |
| 00:34.45 | gravity | There may be some black magic going on, but I don't know what it is... let me look |
| 00:34.55 | gravity | I don't really know this package |
| 00:36.21 | gravity | bahamat: Dude, it's in my debian/control |
| 00:36.31 | bahamat | gravity: where? |
| 00:36.47 | gravity | Line 34 |
| 00:37.09 | gravity | There's also a bunch of mysql-common* debhelper files |
| 00:37.10 | bahamat | gravity: um |
| 00:37.27 | bahamat | gravity: on my box that line is a space and a . |
| 00:37.32 | gravity | Apparently all this package instals in /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
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| 00:37.51 | bahamat | gravity: that's grand...because I have my own |
| 00:38.28 | gravity | bahamat: What's "head -n 1 debian/changelog" say? |
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| 00:38.53 | bahamat | gravity: mysql-dfsg-4.1 (4.1.15-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 00:38.58 | gravity | Uh, that's not from unstable |
| 00:39.00 | gravity | That's ooooold |
| 00:39.07 | gravity | mysql-dfsg-5.0 (5.0.15-1) unstable; urgency=low |
| 00:39.26 | bahamat | that is from unstable |
| 00:39.44 | hardwire | anybody have experience packaging kernel-modules as debian packages? |
| 00:39.52 | hardwire | I just don't feaking understand |
| 00:39.54 | bahamat | gravity: mysql-dfsg-4.1 |
| 00:39.56 | gravity | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=mysql-common disagrees with you |
| 00:40.06 | hardwire | ~dpkg make it happen |
| 00:40.11 | gravity | That's from *stable* |
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| 00:40.24 | gravity | Or rather, really old unstable |
| 00:40.29 | gravity | Sorry. Stable is 4.1.x |
| 00:40.50 | gravity | bahamat: When was the last time you updated your apt cache? |
| 00:41.25 | gravity | (or rather, stable is 4.0.x. God I'm retarded) |
| 00:42.01 | bahamat | gravity: today |
| 00:42.07 | gravity | Something is out of date |
| 00:42.48 | bahamat | gravity: I'm using sarge |
| 00:42.50 | gravity | bahamat: Anyway, I recommend using the link on packages.debian.org above to grab the real version from unstable |
| 00:42.57 | gravity | bahamat: Dude. Sarge is STABLE. Not unstable. |
| 00:42.58 | bahamat | only my source lines point to unstable |
| 00:43.04 | gravity | Sarge released. It was really exciting. |
| 00:43.16 | bahamat | I know, I'm trying to backport mysql-4.1.15 to sarge |
| 00:43.21 | gravity | ugh |
| 00:43.28 | gravity | Ok... |
| 00:44.02 | gravity | To be honest, I've got other things I want to do, so I'm not going to help you with that. |
| 00:44.07 | welson | how do I make a hostname change permanent? after a reboot, and hostname <newhostname> , the changes arent permanent |
| 00:44.11 | bahamat | gravity: look, my database is worth $6 mil, I'm not willing to run the whole box unstable, but there's a bug causing mysql to crash and I need to upgrade |
| 00:44.28 | bahamat | welson: edit /etc/hostname |
| 00:44.38 | gravity | bahamat: I'm not saying you should run on unstable. I just don't want to spend my time helping you backport it. Sorry. |
| 00:44.46 | gravity | Good luck though |
| 00:45.09 | bahamat | gravity: thanks |
| 00:45.12 | gravity | I can help answer basic questions if you've got them. I don't know the package to say why mysql common is missing from that version |
| 00:45.23 | gravity | But if you have basic stuff I'll try and help you out |
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| 00:45.43 | spdf | And I can help you if you're in the market for a new sofa. |
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| 00:45.52 | bahamat | gravity: what really bugs me is that my deb-src line is set for unstable, but when I try to get mysql-common source it gets 4.0 |
| 00:46.08 | gravity | bahamat: Yeah, I don't know where that version came from. It didn't come from stable, since it's too new |
| 00:46.16 | gravity | bahamat: Your mirror may be out of sync or something. I don't know. |
| 00:46.30 | bahamat | gravity: it's like that accross several mirrors |
| 00:46.35 | gravity | Weird |
| 00:46.44 | sussudio | it's like that, and that's the way it is |
| 00:46.46 | gravity | packages.debian.org totally disagrees, so I don't know what's up |
| 00:47.09 | spdf | !dance for us |
| 00:47.29 | liable | bacon! |
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| 00:48.32 | shadowarts | why did i make a 512 mb swap partition when 0k is being used? |
| 00:48.56 | gravity | shadowarts: Push your machine harder :-) |
| 00:49.05 | shadowarts | heh |
| 00:49.11 | amphi | shadowarts: swsusp? |
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| 00:49.53 | shadowarts | well when it was running 700 rouge processes it has about 16 mb free memory but the swap wasnt being used |
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| 00:50.40 | liable | do some photo editing. :) |
| 00:51.05 | shadowarts | liable, problem is i dont have any photos to edit |
| 00:51.29 | asg | shadowarts: borrow some |
| 00:51.48 | shadowarts | lol |
| 00:52.31 | shadowarts | how does the swap work |
| 00:52.42 | asg | shadowarts: like slow memory |
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| 00:52.48 | asg | shadowarts: very sloooow |
| 00:53.01 | shadowarts | yeah but when does it get used? |
| 00:53.09 | asg | shadowarts: when real memory runs out |
| 00:53.35 | shadowarts | hmmm |
| 00:54.04 | spoopin | asg: should one have another beer this late on a school night? |
| 00:54.13 | asg | spoopin: of course |
| 00:54.15 | asg | shadowarts: VM: killing process httpd |
| 00:54.16 | asg | __alloc_pages: 0-order allocation failed (gfp=0x1d2/0) |
| 00:54.24 | asg | shadowarts: when you see that, you are out of memory |
| 00:54.33 | asg | shadowarts: if you see that and have swap, you need more swap |
| 00:54.42 | fooscope | found a typo in dpkg's response to non-free, gnu page is html not htm. how to update dpkg? |
| 00:54.45 | spoopin | asg: quite. brb. |
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| 00:54.55 | asg | spoopin: btw, mom and dad made it back in one piece |
| 00:55.37 | shadowarts | asg, does it wait until your completely out of memory? |
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| 00:56.07 | asg | shadowarts: if the kernel cannot allocate memory as requested, an error occurs |
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| 00:56.49 | dli | my ntp clients keep failing :( leaving jitter 4000 |
| 00:56.49 | daEAGLEmon | what's the diff btwn stable and sarge? or are they the same? |
| 00:56.52 | asg | shadowarts: if you have swap, processes that are not currently used are moved to disk to free memory for the new process. |
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| 00:57.00 | asg | daEAGLEmon: same at the moment |
| 00:57.07 | dob1 | a debian rescue disk is the 1cd of the installation? |
| 00:57.08 | daEAGLEmon | ah ok |
| 00:57.16 | asg | dob1: it can be |
| 00:57.18 | dli | dob1, yes |
| 00:57.19 | shadowarts | asg, like sleeping processes? |
| 00:57.28 | asg | shadowarts: basically, yes |
| 00:57.42 | shadowarts | i have 72 sleeping processes |
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| 00:57.50 | shadowarts | the only running process would be top |
| 00:58.01 | spoopin | asg: cool. They get back today? |
| 00:58.09 | resiak | fooscope: /msg dpkg some_factoid =~ s/htm/html/ |
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| 00:58.16 | asg | spoopin: I picked them up a few hours ago |
| 00:58.23 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@69.73.83.171] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:58.36 | asg | shadowarts: it depends on the number of cpus and the time you run top (or top runs) |
| 00:58.39 | asg | shadowarts: Tasks: 796 total, 1 running, 795 sleeping, 0 stopped, 0 zombie |
| 00:58.39 | dob1 | i have to change my motherboard/cpu (the old are gone) but i want to keep the debian installed on my hd, the kernel on this debian is compiled for the old cpu/mb, so i don't think it will boot with new components, so i need a rescue disk, right? |
| 00:58.41 | fooscope | resiak :-) ta! |
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| 00:58.46 | spoopin | asg: Good. No more watering the f*!king garden. |
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| 00:58.48 | asg | shadowarts: from one of my heavily loaded boxes |
| 00:58.56 | asg | spoopin: yeah |
| 00:59.05 | shadowarts | asg, is it using its swap? |
| 00:59.05 | dob1 | i use a rescue disk, i recompile the kernel and then the system is ok, right? |
| 00:59.06 | bird | hello,i am sally |
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| 00:59.14 | spoopin | asg: did you have a look at cms-live? |
| 00:59.20 | asg | shadowarts: Swap: 1956812k total, 424k used, 1956388k free, 3538096k cached |
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| 00:59.28 | asg | shadowarts: not really, but it has 4G of memory |
| 00:59.30 | imatsu | anybody know install print epson stylux c20ux? |
| 00:59.37 | shadowarts | hmm |
| 00:59.39 | resiak | !printing |
| 00:59.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, printer is a device that allows you to put things from your computer onto paper, envelopes, or whatever. don't forget to check http://www.linuxprinting.org, or a hardcopy output device. easy to set up using foomatic-gui |
| 00:59.43 | imatsu | yes |
| 00:59.52 | shadowarts | whats is the VIRT column mean? |
| 00:59.53 | asg | spoopin: yes, /var was full |
| 00:59.55 | shadowarts | virtual memory? |
| 00:59.55 | imatsu | okis, thanks |
| 00:59.57 | dli | dob1, except anything you compiled locally, with your cpu |
| 01:00.00 | asg | shadowarts: real memory |
| 01:00.05 | spoopin | asg: Em just flashed her breasts at you ;) |
| 01:00.11 | asg | spoopin: rock on! |
| 01:00.26 | asg | spoopin: tell Em thanks for the breasts, and the brownie last week ;) |
| 01:00.41 | dob1 | dli, what do you mean? |
| 01:00.44 | gravity | uh |
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| 01:01.04 | spoopin | asg: Ah. Full /var will create much havoc. |
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| 01:01.21 | dli | dobl: if you didn't compile anything locally, it's fine |
| 01:01.27 | mely | hello |
| 01:01.33 | asg | spoopin: in this case, minimal since the database for plone is on /vol1. A lockfile or similar probably caused a hang. |
| 01:01.35 | dli | dob1, any problem, just recompile that part |
| 01:01.43 | dob1 | dli, ah ok, yes i will think about it later , i want to boot first :) |
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| 01:02.20 | asg | shadowarts: no, VIRT is different. 'man top' search for VIRT (/VIRT) |
| 01:02.39 | spoopin | asg: Hmmm. Interesting that it corrected itself, too... |
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| 01:02.41 | coywolf | what tool to set a device ro? |
| 01:02.49 | asg | coywolf: mount |
| 01:03.11 | spoopin | asg: sar -A showed something like 4k open filehandles |
| 01:03.19 | asg | spoopin: it probably got overwhelmed in a small time frame. |
| 01:03.24 | asg | spoopin: or a syn flood |
| 01:03.25 | dob1 | dli, ok so i take the first cd of debian and (i need a 2.6 kernel) i will use linux root=/dev/hda1 for exampel to boot and then recomplile the kernel? |
| 01:03.26 | sussudio | asg: uh oh. you made eyecontact with it. |
| 01:03.34 | asg | sussudio: coywolf? |
| 01:03.43 | sussudio | asg: yes. |
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| 01:04.23 | dli | dob1, you'd better read help F1, F3 |
| 01:04.23 | asg | sussudio: but a kernel hacker nontheless |
| 01:04.24 | coywolf | asg, mount is to filesystem, not device |
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| 01:04.36 | dli | dob1, basically, root=, |
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| 01:05.18 | dob1 | dli, ok |
| 01:05.23 | asg | coywolf: well, then you need to be a bit more specific about what you want to do. |
| 01:05.32 | rashidj | ok.. i am a noob switching over from windows. I have a slight problem that i hope someone can help me with. |
| 01:05.50 | piplined | just ask. |
| 01:06.04 | sussudio | asg: is 'kernel hacker' slang for 'cluebie' now? |
| 01:06.30 | asg | sussudio: hah :) |
| 01:06.32 | rashidj | sorry i'm at work so responses might be delayed sometimes |
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| 01:06.47 | asg | sussudio: any more badger pics tonight? |
| 01:06.48 | coywolf | asg there's kernel ioctl to set a device ro, i wonder what tool for that in userland |
| 01:07.12 | rashidj | in windows u have plug and play. is there something u have to start in boot to make devices hot swapable? |
| 01:07.14 | asg | coywolf: sysctl maybe but only if it's available via /proc |
| 01:08.03 | unclemike | ? what surround sound..sound cards work with debian |
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| 01:08.17 | mlewis00_ | amphi: Well, that worked but then it locked up on resume and I had to reboot... |
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| 01:08.36 | astronut | did dinstall not run today? |
| 01:08.38 | sussudio | asg: they're long gone |
| 01:08.44 | asg | sussudio: bah |
| 01:08.53 | asg | astronut: ? |
| 01:09.04 | coywolf | asg, btw i do appreciate that you look me as a kernel hacker |
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| 01:09.30 | astronut | asg: ....yes? |
| 01:09.31 | asg | coywolf: you do post on kernelplanet right? |
| 01:09.42 | coywolf | asg, sure |
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| 01:09.58 | asg | astronut: 21:09 < astronut> did dinstall not run today? (just curious what you were talking about) |
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| 01:10.03 | asg | coywolf: *nod* |
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| 01:10.15 | astronut | asg: dinstall is the script that manages the archive |
| 01:10.16 | BucWheat | anyone know of any good internet cafe software for linux? |
| 01:10.29 | gravity | eh, sorta |
| 01:10.30 | coywolf | asg, sussudio always pissing me off here |
| 01:10.32 | astronut | BucWheat: google is your friend |
| 01:10.32 | bird | i have a problem.how to get chinese Language useing QT |
| 01:10.36 | astronut | gravity: collection of scripts? |
| 01:10.38 | coywolf | asg, *shrug* |
| 01:10.43 | gravity | astronut: It's just one in a collection |
| 01:10.43 | astronut | and did it run? or if it did, did the mirror push go? |
| 01:10.44 | amphi | mlewis00_: ah, I wondered where you were ;) |
| 01:10.45 | Linux_whore | is this the correct way to mount a floppy? mount -t vfat /dev/fd0 /media/floppy |
| 01:10.59 | astronut | gravity: what's the female name for dinstall? britteny? |
| 01:11.03 | astronut | !the girls |
| 01:11.04 | gravity | astronut: It doesn't have one |
| 01:11.06 | asg | coywolf: there are many colorful characters on #debian (well, not as many as there used to be) |
| 01:11.07 | astronut | oh, ok |
| 01:11.09 | spdf | Linux_whore, if the floppy is vfat, then yes.. |
| 01:11.10 | mlewis00_ | amphi: :-) |
| 01:11.14 | gravity | afaik |
| 01:11.15 | unclemike | ?? anyone know what 5.1...6.1 or 7.1 sound cards work in debian |
| 01:11.16 | astronut | gravity: you know if it ran or not? |
| 01:11.24 | gravity | astronut: I don't think it did, but I don't know why |
| 01:11.28 | BucWheat | astronut i get everything but internet cafe for linux |
| 01:11.35 | astronut | unclemike: if no one knows here, try #alsa |
| 01:11.42 | astronut | BucWheat: i remember seeing one once, forever ago |
| 01:11.50 | astronut | gravity: who's the guy...i forgot his nick |
| 01:11.57 | gravity | astronut: What guy? |
| 01:12.19 | astronut | gravity: the one to ask about the thing...last time it ran out of disk space, he cleaned up and reran |
| 01:12.19 | sussudio | !guy |
| 01:12.19 | dpkg | i guess guy is girl |
| 01:12.25 | sussudio | erm. |
| 01:12.25 | bird | i have a problem.how to get chinese Language with QT |
| 01:12.28 | Linux_whore | i just use floppy formatter in debian to format the floppy as DOS (FAT) i dont know if that is the same as vfat and i dont know if my floppy drive destroys floppies or i am doing something wrong |
| 01:12.29 | unclemike | astronut, ok |
| 01:12.31 | Tortel | !girl |
| 01:12.32 | dpkg | well, girl is a young female human. I prefer botesses myself. |
| 01:12.37 | gravity | astronut: Uh... there's lots of people and I'm sure they're taking care of it |
| 01:12.44 | astronut | gravity: ok... |
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| 01:13.00 | gravity | It could be for a number of reasons |
| 01:13.28 | astronut | gravity: i was trying to remember the name of the guy to ask...i forget hwo it was |
| 01:13.29 | astronut | who* |
| 01:13.34 | gravity | I don't know |
| 01:13.36 | astronut | ok |
| 01:13.46 | mlewis00_ | amphi: So I think I get the general idea now...just monitor /proc/acpi/event and then write a script for each event that unloads the modules that need to be unloaded... |
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| 01:14.17 | astronut | gravity: out of curiosity, what's your take on the /etc/passwd cruft issue? |
| 01:14.20 | astronut | didn't see you in there |
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| 01:14.37 | tarantulafudge | Hey, I'm following a virtual mail guide |
| 01:14.38 | tarantulafudge | and |
| 01:14.50 | gravity | astronut: Huh? On -devel? Is that what it's about? |
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| 01:14.57 | amphi | mlewis00_: yeah - most should be well-behaved |
| 01:14.58 | tarantulafudge | I can't get amavis to start because of mysql santax that isnt right |
| 01:15.00 | gravity | astronut: I haven't read that thread at all. |
| 01:15.02 | astronut | gravity: ya...about packages that create users removing them |
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| 01:15.09 | gravity | Don't much care |
| 01:15.17 | astronut | the one in release team's plan for etch |
| 01:15.22 | tarantulafudge | Starting amavisd: Error in config file /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf: syntax e |
| 01:15.22 | tarantulafudge | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.22 | tarantulafudge | E CONCAT("@",domain) IN (%k)';" |
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| 01:15.36 | gravity | I've got too many things to juggle with X to worry about the whole distro |
| 01:15.40 | tarantulafudge | err |
| 01:15.41 | tarantulafudge | shoot |
| 01:15.56 | asg | !tell tarantulafudge about enter |
| 01:16.33 | w3rdn4 | lets say I am using this machine and I want to create some crazy want to put in astrophyics equations, how do I write them into the machine? |
| 01:16.48 | asg | tarantulafudge: if the problem is syntax with MySQL, why are you not asking in #mysql? |
| 01:16.51 | tarantulafudge | Starting amavisd: Error in config file /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf: syntax error at /etc/amavis/amavisd.conf line 836, near "'SELECT "Y" as local FROM domains WHERE CONCAT("@",domain) IN (%k)';" (failed). |
| 01:17.06 | tarantulafudge | well |
| 01:17.12 | tarantulafudge | its copied exactly from the guide |
| 01:17.15 | tarantulafudge | its supposed to work? |
| 01:17.18 | mlewis00_ | amphi: I'm not an expert with shell scripts but I think I can handle this task...now I just have to find out why it didn't resume correctly. |
| 01:17.20 | asg | tarantulafudge: which guide? |
| 01:17.38 | tarantulafudge | http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 01:18.04 | amphi | mlewis00_: you tried the Fn key and/or Fn-Sleep ? |
| 01:18.41 | mlewis00_ | amphi: It just beeps at me and I don't even get an event for it... |
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| 01:18.54 | maher | gravity: still around? can i bug you with X questions? |
| 01:18.54 | w3rdn4 | hmm what about math equations |
| 01:18.55 | amphi | mlewis00_: what beeps? |
| 01:19.16 | maher | w3rdn4: latex |
| 01:19.16 | gravity | maher: Ok |
| 01:19.20 | amphi | mlewis00_: I meant to wake it |
| 01:19.22 | gravity | Can't promise I'll be much help |
| 01:19.23 | mlewis00_ | amphi: The laptop just beeps through the speaker... |
| 01:19.45 | amphi | mlewis00_: when you try to suspend it with the Fn-Sleep key> |
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| 01:19.58 | mlewis00_ | amphi: Right... |
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| 01:20.11 | maher | gravity: i want to map the windows key to left mouse click - i tried keycode 0x73 = Pointer_Button1, but this only works if i do shift numlock - and shift numlock turns itself off intermittently |
| 01:20.20 | amphi | mlewis00_: what laptop is this? |
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| 01:20.33 | treyh0 | rhythmbox crashes too much :( |
| 01:20.40 | mlewis00_ | amphi: I tried the mouse, then the <enter> key and then the power button to wake it back up... |
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| 01:20.57 | gravity | maher: Sorry, I've never really spent much time mapping keys |
| 01:21.09 | amphi | mlewis00_: what laptop is this? |
| 01:21.11 | mlewis00_ | amphi: It's an Acer Travelmate 2413LCi |
| 01:21.16 | tarantulafudge | no idea? |
| 01:21.22 | maher | gravity: no worries - just thought you were the most likely person here to know... |
| 01:22.00 | w3rdn4 | hmmm |
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| 01:23.08 | treyh0 | but at least rhythmbox supports sftp:// :( |
| 01:24.35 | treyh0 | !poop rhythmbox |
| 01:24.43 | treyh0 | wooo |
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| 01:26.15 | Jeaton | is Debian Hurd anything like Debian Linux? |
| 01:26.54 | maher | Jeaton: yes |
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| 01:27.33 | asg | Jeaton: different kernel, same Debian |
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| 01:27.58 | golya | Hi! Is there an option to growisofs to display the current writing speed? |
| 01:28.22 | asg | golya: if there is, it will be in the manpage. |
| 01:28.31 | golya | :( |
| 01:28.52 | Jeaton | though I never used debian before in my life, i've always used slackware :/ |
| 01:28.55 | golya | or I cannot read. But i couldn't find it |
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| 01:29.09 | Jeaton | i might format and try both at the same time |
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| 01:36.43 | Xenguy | gravity: about what we were discussing before, this is an interesting read: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarkShuttleworth (see especially the section 'Is Ubuntu a fork...') |
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| 01:36.50 | gravity | I read it |
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| 01:37.36 | sussudio | !fork Xenguy |
| 01:37.54 | PerfDave | Jeaton: If you're a newcomer to Debian and to GNU/HURD, you probably want to start with Debian GNU/Linux, that way you've only got one learning curve. GNU/HURD shouldn't be too different from GNU/Linux, but I'm guessing there'll be a few things to trip you up :) |
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| 01:38.41 | Xenguy | sussudio: what are you good for again? :P |
| 01:38.58 | sussudio | Xenguy: more than you |
| 01:39.03 | piplined | Jeaton: HURD is a joke. Don't bother.- |
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| 01:39.16 | Xenguy | sussudio: you seem to rest on your laurels - a lot |
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| 01:39.42 | sussudio | Xenguy: are you drunk? |
| 01:39.43 | Frosted | piplined, A joke? your to kind :) |
| 01:39.59 | Xenguy | sussudio: I think dict is the tool you want |
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| 01:40.05 | washo_pelao | Sysinfo: [Pentium III (Coppermine) (697 MHz)] | [186 MB] | [Linux (2.6.12-1-686)] | [load: 0.54 (5 min)] | [0d 5h 17m up] |
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| 01:40.11 | sussudio | Xenguy: i take that as a yes |
| 01:40.15 | washo_pelao | ahi ta xD |
| 01:40.17 | asg | washo_pelao: please don't do that |
| 01:40.20 | sussudio | washo_pelao: wow, that was annoying |
| 01:40.28 | Xenguy | sussudio: take it any ol' which-way =) |
| 01:40.37 | washo_pelao | estaba probano un plugin no ma :( |
| 01:40.52 | washo_pelao | *probando |
| 01:40.59 | washo_pelao | viva Chile!! |
| 01:41.00 | washo_pelao | xD |
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| 01:41.13 | sussudio | washo_pelao: off you go |
| 01:41.16 | washo_pelao | bye everybody! |
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| 01:43.18 | albino | Anyone else seeing an install bug when trying to install the sbcl package with stable? |
| 01:43.38 | asg | albino: never installed it. What error are you getting? |
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| 01:45.15 | albino | asg: Dependency resolution errors, I can't see anything in the BTS about it. I actually think its a perl deal. |
| 01:45.39 | albino | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.40 | asg | albino: you wouldn't see that on stable. Do you have other sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 01:46.30 | albino | asg: No, just stable. I thought it was something to do with my mirror but I switched to ftp.us.debian.org |
| 01:46.50 | jmardones | wenas washo pelao |
| 01:46.55 | jmardones | eris de chile |
| 01:46.57 | jmardones | =P |
| 01:46.57 | asg | albino: then you have done something wrong. 5.8.4-8 is the perl in sarge. |
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| 01:47.03 | gravity | wtf |
| 01:47.15 | victor_ | who looking .wmv the vlc all sound??? |
| 01:47.17 | asg | albino: that implies you are running something earlier |
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| 01:47.24 | asg | victor_: ENOPARSE |
| 01:47.42 | victor_ | what? |
| 01:47.43 | albino | asg: I thought sarge was stable? |
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| 01:47.56 | asg | albino: it is but 5.8.7-3 is not sarge's Perl |
| 01:48.26 | asg | albino: $ apt-cache show perl | grep ^Version |
| 01:48.26 | asg | Version: 5.8.4-8 |
| 01:48.32 | albino | asg: Its something from somewhere higher, testing or unstable? |
| 01:49.18 | asg | albino: $ apt-cache show perl | grep ^Version |
| 01:49.18 | asg | Version: 5.8.7-7 |
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| 01:49.38 | asg | albino: on the latest unstable so I would guess etch, unless you are running a derivative |
| 01:50.16 | asg | albino: I did test an install of sbcl on a sarge box and it installed fine |
| 01:50.31 | albino | asg: Okay, as I figured its me as usual |
| 01:50.33 | albino | asg: Thanks |
| 01:51.00 | asg | albino: I don't track etch so don't know if 5.8.7-3 is the version in it. Someone else might though. |
| 01:51.15 | asg | !info perl etch |
| 01:51.27 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.7-6 (etch), Packaged size: 3298 kB, Installed size: 11488 kB |
| 01:51.38 | albino | asg: I think I'm going to throw away this install disk then |
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| 01:52.18 | asg | albino: *nod* |
| 01:53.40 | dli | how to make ddd show the current line? |
| 01:53.42 | albino | Wow slow night, I'm used to this channel being a lot busier |
| 01:53.51 | piplined | It seems pretty busy |
| 01:53.52 | swatikiss_ | yes... |
| 01:53.55 | piplined | but it's all join/quit messages :| |
| 01:54.05 | asg | albino: a lot of regulars are no longer participants |
| 01:54.07 | Tortel | Goodnight all! |
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| 01:54.32 | swatikiss_ | how do install openoffice 2.0 from unstable "apt-get -t unstable install openoffice.org?" |
| 01:54.42 | asg | swatikiss_: what are you running now? |
| 01:55.02 | hispafuentes | night |
| 01:55.03 | piplined | swatikiss: Trust me: OOo 2.0 is not an upgrade. You do not want it. |
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| 01:55.16 | asg | hispafuentes: que? |
| 01:55.21 | hispafuentes | someone who speaks spanish here? |
| 01:55.25 | asg | !es |
| 01:55.25 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:55.27 | asg | hispafuentes: ^^^ |
| 01:55.30 | hispafuentes | hola asg |
| 01:55.46 | _daniel_ | Hi I get this message everytime I run apt-get, whats the way to solve it ? W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.tux.org sarge Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY BB5E459A529B8BDA |
| 01:55.47 | usr_ | In a dual head setup is desktop spanning handeled by the X config or the window manager, and if the latter anyone know were i set that in gnome2? |
| 01:55.47 | asg | hola hispafuentes, por favor usen #debian-es |
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| 01:56.27 | hispafuentes | ok soy nuevo como lo hago? |
| 01:56.30 | flipmcf | _daniel_, use a different mirror maybe? just a guess |
| 01:56.32 | swatikiss_ | asg testing |
| 01:56.37 | hispafuentes | pongo eso directamente? |
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| 01:56.44 | asg | swatikiss_: it might work. Check with #debian-oo first. |
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| 01:56.56 | asg | hispafuentes: /join #debian-es |
| 01:57.05 | swatikiss | asg, ok :) |
| 01:57.06 | hispafuentes | GRacias--- |
| 01:57.09 | asg | hispafuentes: de nada |
| 01:57.16 | Banana-CHILE | Hola!!! |
| 01:57.38 | sched | more one! |
| 01:57.49 | _daniel_ | flipmcf, but you see ftp.tux.org is an official mirror |
| 01:57.51 | asg | sched: a pandemic? |
| 01:57.55 | usr_ | exit |
| 01:57.58 | _daniel_ | and is happening with almost every mirror |
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| 01:58.03 | sched | asg, IC |
| 01:58.04 | Banana-CHILE | una pregunta |
| 01:58.06 | Banana-CHILE | ¿? |
| 01:58.22 | Banana-CHILE | kiero isntalar kde 3.4.3 en Debian |
| 01:58.35 | flipmcf | !es |
| 01:58.35 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:58.36 | _daniel_ | Banana-CHILE, es todavia unstable |
| 01:58.44 | Banana-CHILE | ojala via apt-get! |
| 01:59.16 | Banana-CHILE | igual lo kiero |
| 01:59.16 | Banana-CHILE | jejej |
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| 01:59.16 | _daniel_ | Banana-CHILE, pues ponga sid, y marquelo para instalar |
| 01:59.17 | Banana-CHILE | ummm |
| 01:59.17 | mfrisch | am I in The right channel |
| 01:59.24 | _daniel_ | en apt/sources.list muevase a unstable y apt-get upgrade |
| 01:59.26 | Banana-CHILE | me das un source.list |
| 01:59.26 | _daniel_ | y reze |
| 01:59.28 | Banana-CHILE | ¿? |
| 01:59.31 | Banana-CHILE | jajaj |
| 01:59.38 | dondelelcaro | Banana-CHILE, _daniel_: /join #debian-es; and continue there please. |
| 01:59.40 | sched | asg, don't worry, I speak spanish and portuguese too..;) |
| 01:59.45 | _daniel_ | Si no sabe modificar sources.list, sid no es para usted |
| 01:59.58 | _daniel_ | ok Ill shut uo |
| 01:59.58 | Banana-CHILE | jajaj |
| 02:00.04 | Banana-CHILE | klaro ke se hijo |
| 02:00.05 | Banana-CHILE | jaja |
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| 02:00.57 | flipmcf | not to be rude at all to my espanol amigos - but there is a place for everything :) |
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| 02:02.01 | gravity | wtf |
| 02:02.05 | swatikiss | asg, but generally, "apt-get -t unstable install package.foo" is how you install a package from unstable? |
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| 02:02.45 | asg | sched: heh, I don't :) |
| 02:03.04 | dondelelcaro | swatikiss: yes, but you're likely to end up with a severly broken system unless you know exactly what you're doing. |
| 02:03.08 | sched | asg, K |
| 02:03.10 | asg | swatikiss: yes but only if you have unstable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:03.11 | flipmcf | swatikiss, check this out |
| 02:03.19 | flipmcf | !dpkg simple sid backport |
| 02:03.19 | dpkg | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports> |
| 02:03.32 | asg | sched: it's on my TODO list though |
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| 02:03.52 | simy | can i speak to sombody who can unban? |
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| 02:04.17 | simy | i went to leave this channel and did /p instead of /part, and i was banned, for what i can only assume was masivly pinging everybody |
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| 02:04.52 | dondelelcaro | simy: yes, I banned you; in the future, please don't do that again. |
| 02:05.14 | simy | i didnt mean to, i acciently hit enter after the p, i typed art afterwords... |
| 02:05.22 | sched | asg, great! and my quick TODO I'll put english..:( |
| 02:05.29 | kh7v7 | hello, I am trying to install sarge. boot from a knoppix cd and launch debootstrap all goes kewl but when I chroot to the target I cant mount the file sytems, no HD devices in /dev (this procedure is explained in the install guide - install from other un*x system). does anyone have an idea how can I create these? I have tried MAKEDEV but obviosuly doesnt work the target doesnt have a kernel (or modules for that matter) installed yet... |
| 02:05.29 | simy | do you need anything from me?, or do you remember ? |
| 02:05.42 | amphi | what irc client is this? |
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| 02:05.47 | asg | sched: well, your English is better than my Spanish :) |
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| 02:05.59 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@69.73.83.171] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:06.01 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 02:06.13 | Dasnipa` | spanish is for me to poop on |
| 02:06.14 | simy | dondelelcaro : do you need my ip or anything, right now im patched through a friends server... |
| 02:06.26 | dondelelcaro | simy: already done. |
| 02:06.32 | simy | thank you.... |
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| 02:07.14 | simy22 | yay im back :) |
| 02:08.22 | flipmcf | simi22 I'm curious - what client has /p as "ping everyone in the channel?" |
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| 02:08.34 | flipmcf | simy22 ^^^ |
| 02:08.39 | JoTe | hi |
| 02:08.42 | scanwinder | how do i extract a cab file?? |
| 02:08.46 | flipmcf | simy22, you sent me off on a documentation hunt :) |
| 02:08.48 | amphi | flipmcf: yeah, I was wondering that... |
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| 02:08.55 | asg | scanwinder: apt-get install cabextract |
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| 02:09.08 | scanwinder | thanks |
| 02:09.13 | sched | I see that Spanish people is very to interesting at Debian.. |
| 02:09.17 | _daniel_ | !ati |
| 02:09.17 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 02:09.27 | asg | sched: we are very international |
| 02:09.44 | sched | asg, lol* |
| 02:10.02 | sched | asg, ic.. |
| 02:10.06 | JoTe | last night I try to install a new theme to my KDE debian, but when I restart the system, I get the following message: "the KDE panel (kicker) could not load the main panel due to a problem with your installation" |
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| 02:10.18 | simy22 | flipmcf : how so? |
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| 02:10.34 | asg | JoTe: if nobody in here knows, you might try #debian-kde |
| 02:10.42 | simy22 | flipmcf ohhh sorry, i stepped out for a second didnt see it, im using bitchx... |
| 02:11.01 | flipmcf | simy22 oh, I'm not trying to 'lay blame' just checking out the /ping command. |
| 02:11.03 | simy22 | flipmcf from the teswting section |
| 02:11.09 | JoTe | thanks asg |
| 02:11.14 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 02:11.29 | simy22 | if i can take it off that would be great, i have no idea what a ping is in an irc, but im sure it has some old days roots, lol |
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| 02:11.41 | JoTe | I'm the IRC Administrator of irc.linuxchile.org |
| 02:11.49 | simy22 | er, i ment to say why, not what |
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| 02:12.01 | sched | asg, just to know..where r you from? |
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| 02:12.25 | asg | sched: .uk, living in .us |
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| 02:12.44 | sched | asg, oh |
| 02:13.03 | asg | sched: though I did vacation in Malaga a few times |
| 02:13.03 | mfrisch | asg you left .uk fo gangs |
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| 02:13.56 | asg | mfrisch: most gangs in this part of the US are from Mexico |
| 02:13.57 | Xenguy | mfrisch: bullies |
| 02:13.58 | sched | asg, great, so, I'm from Brazil either..:) |
| 02:14.01 | [bw]808y | im new , i need source.list entries 2 get valknut running, where i cann find the right lines? |
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| 02:14.06 | asg | sched: ah :) |
| 02:14.38 | scanwinder | is there a way 2 force unmount my cdrom drive? umount -f just says the drive is busy |
| 02:14.40 | mfrisch | asg West Coast is brutal. |
| 02:14.55 | jdhutchin1 | scanwinder, make sure that your cdrom drive isn't being used |
| 02:14.56 | Xenguy | scanwinder: lsof file could help |
| 02:15.06 | asg | mfrisch: yes, here on the East Coast, it's not too bad. |
| 02:15.12 | jdhutchin1 | scanwinder, actually, fuser is what you want |
| 02:15.19 | scanwinder | wait, worked out what it was |
| 02:15.25 | [bw]808y | im new , i need source.list entries 2 get valknut running, where i cann find the right lines? |
| 02:15.28 | scanwinder | had another terminal in the dir |
| 02:15.43 | mfrisch | asg I am in the midd~ke~ |
| 02:15.50 | mfrisch | middle |
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| 02:16.29 | asg | mfrisch: which bit? |
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| 02:17.06 | asg | mfrisch: oh, Ohio |
| 02:17.10 | mfrisch | asg Cin city, OH. |
| 02:17.16 | [bw]808y | how can i get valknur running |
| 02:17.29 | [bw]808y | where i get the sourcelist entries? |
| 02:18.14 | sched | asg, so I'm a developer to Sprint PCS |
| 02:18.36 | asg | sched: in .br? cool. |
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| 02:19.21 | mfrisch | sched when are cell phones going to work? |
| 02:19.25 | FlimFlamMan | is 85,506 bytes/sec a slow speed to read a scsi tape with dd ? |
| 02:20.06 | asg | sched: I wouldn't mind one of these days watching the GP at Interlagos |
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| 02:20.39 | Yarou | weee |
| 02:20.44 | sched | asg, yes through IBM BR |
| 02:20.53 | asg | sched: ah, nice |
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| 02:22.27 | sched | mfrisch, just in the system we only worked |
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| 02:23.32 | mfrisch | sched Wireless WLAN, IAX2= good system. |
| 02:24.03 | sched | mfrisch, sistem like, C++, Java, MQSeries, Vitria, Weblogic..bla,bla |
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| 02:24.17 | Yarou | hmmm |
| 02:24.24 | sched | mfrisch, G3 |
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| 02:25.06 | _daniel_ | has anyone recently gotten the ati driver binary fglrx-driver from stanchina and installed ? |
| 02:25.26 | _daniel_ | It doesnt seem to detect the module even when I rund depmod |
| 02:25.41 | sched | mfrisch, we're to migrated some UnixBox to Linux.. |
| 02:25.54 | Xenguy | sched: yay |
| 02:26.07 | mfrisch | sched cool use Debian. |
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| 02:26.23 | Xenguy | sched: servers or desktops? |
| 02:26.32 | sched | Xenguy, servers |
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| 02:26.43 | mfrisch | sched SCO |
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| 02:26.44 | Xenguy | sched: d, d, debian :-) |
| 02:26.45 | mfrisch | ? |
| 02:26.52 | sched | mfrisch, yep Debian |
| 02:27.11 | Xenguy | sched: what apps? |
| 02:27.25 | Xenguy | sched: er, services? |
| 02:27.40 | sched | Xenguy, wireless and wireline |
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| 02:28.26 | Xenguy | sched: I don't know wireline |
| 02:28.27 | spdf | _daniel_, I have. 'Sup? |
| 02:28.49 | Xenguy | _daniel_: wow, your lucky day :-) |
| 02:28.50 | sched | Xenguy, C++, Java, websphere, Oracle, Vitria, MQSeries |
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| 02:29.10 | _daniel_ | spdf, did you needed somehing else? |
| 02:29.16 | Xenguy | sched: but what is it? IDE? |
| 02:29.19 | Gunsmith | i have an ATI card and would like to know how to get it to run two monitors as seperrate screens, anybody know how to do that? |
| 02:29.19 | _daniel_ | My modprobe doesnt find the module |
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| 02:29.44 | sched | Xenguy, sprint have a 2 class of system, one is Wireless and the other is Wireline(wireland) |
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| 02:30.34 | Xenguy | sched: hrm, so functionally, what does wireline get me? |
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| 02:32.04 | dli | xxgdb: all ptys in use |
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| 02:32.55 | _daniel_ | spdf, jaime@jaime:/lib/modules/2.6.12-1-686$ sudo modprobe fglrx |
| 02:32.55 | _daniel_ | FATAL: Module fglrx not found. |
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| 02:33.04 | sched | Xenguy, it's correct to say wireland to home phone? |
| 02:33.14 | _daniel_ | After having donde apt-get install fglrx-driver fglrx-kernel-src |
| 02:33.38 | Xenguy | sched: I don't know what that means |
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| 02:34.09 | Xenguy | sched: anyway, no worries |
| 02:34.09 | sched | Xenguy, K |
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| 02:35.12 | cal | I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers, and module-assistant is complaining that rivafb is conflicting. However, modconf says I don't have them installed. Any help? |
| 02:35.43 | cal | ie mondconf says that the module is disabled |
| 02:36.06 | sched | Xenguy, so where a you from? |
| 02:36.08 | cal | does this mean i must recompile the kernel and get rid of this module all together? |
| 02:36.10 | spdf | _daniel_, did you compile the module? |
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| 02:36.59 | spdf | _daniel_, The module sourece is in /usr/src, you need to umcompress it.. |
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| 02:37.36 | spdf | _daniel_, and then compile it. Don't forget to install the headers for your current kernel |
| 02:38.24 | Xenguy | sched: I live in Canada, is that what you mean? |
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| 02:38.39 | mfrisch | Xenguy lucky |
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| 02:38.54 | rue_more | I have a machine with primarily get its address via dhcp, but it uses a local dns server and I dont want it to change resolv.conf every time it starts up, suggestions? |
| 02:39.11 | mfrisch | Xenguy any it jobs? |
| 02:39.19 | Xenguy | sched: you're in brazil then? |
| 02:39.31 | _daniel_ | :) |
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| 02:39.46 | Xenguy | mfrisch: not like the dotCom bubble, but there's work sure (at least for me ;-) |
| 02:39.50 | sched | Xenguy, yes, and I've a friend in Toronto. |
| 02:40.01 | Xenguy | mfrisch: where are you ? |
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| 02:40.23 | Xenguy | sched: TO is great to visit (haven't done so for awhile now) |
| 02:40.39 | gozz | how do i find the devid for mu cpu fan? |
| 02:40.44 | mfrisch | Xenguy Cinci OH. |
| 02:40.47 | Azar | too good to pass: for #debian helpers: http://www.bash.org/?564197 |
| 02:41.02 | sched | Xenguy, hehe sure! |
| 02:41.08 | Xenguy | mfrisch: hrm, I assume your economy is alright ATM? |
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| 02:41.46 | Xenguy | sched: I'm due for another run sometime (5 hours drive?) Let me know when the next party is happening :P |
| 02:42.42 | mfrisch | Xenguy no jobs no Linux jobs is a given. I have installed pc's (meaningless jobs) with twenty year vets, noone is getting hired. |
| 02:42.51 | gozz | i installed ndiswrapper and then my xp cpu fan driver and i think i need to tell it the device id to use the driver for |
| 02:43.04 | sched | Xenguy, Ok..:) |
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| 02:43.14 | Yarou | back again |
| 02:43.45 | Xenguy | mfrisch: would it help to move to the big city? |
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| 02:43.58 | Yarou | n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper |
| 02:44.04 | Yarou | how hawt is that hostmask |
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| 02:44.56 | Xenguy | mfrisch: (I live in the Nations Capital as they call it, so it's better luck for job-hunters here) |
| 02:44.59 | mfrisch | Xenguy we are pretty big. But not the biggest. I have had contracts with fortune 500 companies as many have offices here |
| 02:45.08 | Yarou | lol |
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| 02:45.28 | Xenguy | mfrisch: oh, OK, didn't realize you were already doing city life |
| 02:47.25 | Xenguy | mfrisch: anyway, a break usually comes, sooner or later |
| 02:48.27 | mfrisch | Xenguy got my personal site up, am going to put my resume on it. |
| 02:49.03 | Xenguy | mfrisch: that's a good marketing idea if you're pitching to the IT crowd |
| 02:49.09 | concept10 | what is the format to mount a iso ? mount -t iso9660 /wanttomount /dir/to/mount |
| 02:49.11 | concept10 | ? |
| 02:49.38 | Xenguy | mount -t iso9660 /dev/wanttomount /dir2mount2 |
| 02:49.49 | Xenguy | er, dir2mount |
| 02:50.06 | mfrisch | Xenguy anything .. |
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| 02:50.55 | Xenguy | mfrisch: if you keep learning, and keep searching, it happens inevitably (I've been there, trust me :-) |
| 02:51.00 | sched | Xenguy, what do you do in Canada? |
| 02:51.12 | Xenguy | mfrisch: just a numbers game |
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| 02:51.17 | mfrisch | Xenguy thanks... |
| 02:51.19 | Xenguy | sched: good question :-) |
| 02:51.28 | sched | Xenguy, :) |
| 02:51.58 | Xenguy | mfrisch: I'm a Systems Librarian with a government organization basically |
| 02:52.10 | Xenguy | er, sched |
| 02:52.14 | gozz | i have googled and cant seem to find out what i need |
| 02:52.20 | KrazyP | I am running testing, and I am trying to upgrade udev, but I get an error, saying that udev requires kernel >=2.6.12 I have put on a 2.6.12 kernel image, but yet I can boot to it, as it can't find a valid root fs. How can I go about getting udev 0.070 on my system? |
| 02:52.24 | gozz | does anyone know? |
| 02:52.46 | Xenguy | sched: And obsessed with Debian GNU/Linux :-) |
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| 02:53.10 | sched | Xenguy, ic =D |
| 02:53.36 | Xenguy | sched: heh, yah |
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| 02:54.54 | chass_ | Hello, i'm using debian testing; my apt/sources.list file contains the following line: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free . Recently, k3b got listed as an obsolete package.. any ideas? |
| 02:55.15 | Xenguy | sched: we're trying to bring open source logic into gov't (GOSLING) but it's a slow process |
| 02:55.39 | Xenguy | sched: GOSLING = Getting Open Source Logic INto Government :-) |
| 02:56.01 | mfrisch | Xenguy I am sure testing at that level is harsh |
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| 02:56.21 | Xenguy | mfrisch: I'm not sure what you mean |
| 02:57.02 | mfrisch | Xenguy things have to work before they will look at; new releases as well |
| 02:57.02 | sched | Xenguy, yes maybe I know, Brazil have a large time about open source Govenment |
| 02:57.07 | Phated | !tell daEAGLEmon about away |
| 02:57.10 | Xenguy | !tell daEAGLEmon about away |
| 02:57.46 | Xenguy | sched: yah, cool stuff happening in South America with FOSS |
| 02:58.10 | daEAGLEmon | oh sorry |
| 02:58.19 | Xenguy | mfrisch: linux is definitely in at the server level (big-time); desktops, they need to keep pushing ;-) |
| 02:58.52 | sched | Xenguy, We've here a FISL and Debconf 4 is happened here |
| 02:59.21 | FlimFlamMan | i'm trying to read off a scsi tape and it's going very slow - about 85K bytes/s - i think it's rated at 2M bytes/s - how would i go about trouble-shooting this? i need to do this restore by morning :-( |
| 02:59.21 | mfrisch | Xenguy my last job all 'doz 2003 new servers. I have had one job with a mix. |
| 02:59.33 | sched | www.softwarelivre.org |
| 02:59.36 | Xenguy | sched: wow, sounds like fun for sure |
| 02:59.41 | sched | Xenguy, www.softwarelivre.org |
| 02:59.51 | chass_ | no one has any idea about the k3b? |
| 02:59.56 | Xenguy | mfrisch: wow, thank gawd you're there man :-) |
| 03:00.35 | sched | Xenguy, " livre " means free but here is the same opensource |
| 03:00.58 | mfrisch | Xenguy they could not admin a linux server if they tried. |
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| 03:01.39 | Xenguy | sched: libre ? |
| 03:02.01 | Xenguy | mfrisch: heh - that's a slow row to hoe ;-) |
| 03:02.09 | sched | Xenguy, libre is Spanish livre is in Portuguese |
| 03:02.28 | mfrisch | sched and French |
| 03:02.31 | Xenguy | sched: but livre means book in Canadian French :-) |
| 03:02.46 | Xenguy | sched: cool |
| 03:02.54 | sched | mfrisch, I don't know..eheh =D |
| 03:03.20 | sched | Xenguy, cool realy cool.. |
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| 03:03.56 | cal | I'm trying to install the nvidia drivers, and module-assistant is complaining that rivafb is conflicting. However, modconf says I don't have them installed. Any help? |
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| 03:04.07 | ethan-allison | ok, general freenode question ... where do i go for, say, legal advice |
| 03:04.33 | Xenguy | mfrisch: well linux is happening, and it will happen there too eventually (maybe it will be through you that people get introduced to linux :-) |
| 03:04.39 | Phated | A lawyer. |
| 03:04.44 | Phated | Oddly enough. |
| 03:04.51 | mfrisch | ethan-allison #ambulance-chasers-and-dui |
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| 03:05.00 | KUNIX | ola |
| 03:05.09 | KUNIX | alguem do brasil ai |
| 03:05.11 | ethan-allison | empty room |
| 03:05.19 | Xenguy | ompah |
| 03:05.20 | ethan-allison | !tell KUNIX about br |
| 03:05.26 | KUNIX | yes |
| 03:05.49 | KUNIX | oiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii |
| 03:05.57 | sched | Xenguy, Ok guys, I have that to sleep tomorrow I'll work and the night a lecture on a Opensource that I help to develop |
| 03:05.59 | mfrisch | Xenguy well Linux is a movement and one day I will get payed for what I believe in. |
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| 03:06.11 | Xenguy | sched: have fun :-) |
| 03:06.35 | sched | Xenguy, http://tuxguardian.sourceforge.net/ |
| 03:06.40 | sched | Xenguy, take a look.. |
| 03:06.49 | Xenguy | mfrisch: if you learn the skills, then you just have to find the market -- there is definitely a linux market, even if it is Elsewhere ;-) |
| 03:07.06 | Xenguy | sched: OK |
| 03:07.24 | sched | Xenguy, This application I help to develop, is about Firewall Host |
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| 03:07.57 | sched | Xenguy, we're use the LSM kernel module... |
| 03:08.12 | Xenguy | sched: cool -- it is not in Debian yet, yes? |
| 03:08.22 | sched | Xenguy, nice to meet you..Foi um prazer, Asta la vista |
| 03:08.35 | Xenguy | sched: hasta luego |
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| 03:08.57 | sched | Xenguy, well, we're to try to create a Deb package.. |
| 03:09.07 | sched | Xenguy, but time to need.. |
| 03:09.08 | Xenguy | sched: good luck with that - looks good |
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| 03:10.09 | Bogaurd | hey, does anyone have an approx idea of what the CPU load from a PPPOE connection of 25MBit with NAT would be? (Running on a celeron 300) |
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| 03:13.47 | gozz | how can i control my cpu fan ? |
| 03:14.26 | gozz | im about to unplug the damn thing |
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| 03:15.11 | Xenguy | gozz: why not - an experiment :-) |
| 03:15.13 | mlewis00 | Does suspend to disk (hibernate) rewrite the MBR or is there some other way to reload the OS from the disk image of RAM? |
| 03:17.40 | gozz | would cpufreq control the fan? |
| 03:17.58 | jdhutchin1 | gozz, no, cpufreq controls the cpu frequency |
| 03:18.02 | jdhutchin1 | the fan is controlled by acpi |
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| 03:18.23 | jdhutchin1 | mlewis00, no, hibernate does not rewrite the mbr, it dumps the ram image into a swap partition |
| 03:18.40 | jdhutchin1 | hibernate can rewrite the grub conf file to make sure the image gets loaded on bootup, but it doesn't have to if you don't want it to |
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| 03:20.00 | mlewis00 | jdhutchin1: Then how does it restart? Does it bypass the MBR somehow? I was under the impression that the system would come up at the exact state it was in and I don't understand exactly how it does that... |
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| 03:21.06 | jdhutchin1 | mlewis00, no, the kernel boots up enough to read the hard drives |
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| 03:21.22 | jdhutchin1 | then hibernate checks the partition and looks to see if there is an image there |
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| 03:21.28 | jdhutchin1 | if there's an image there, then it loads it |
| 03:21.42 | gozz | what about lm-sensors? |
| 03:21.58 | jdhutchin1 | gozz, your cpu fan is probably controlled by acpi |
| 03:22.11 | jdhutchin1 | gozz, look in /proc/acpi |
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| 03:22.37 | encompass | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:22.54 | mlewis00 | jdhutchin1: So when the system goes into hibernation there is still some CPU activity? I thought that the system actually powered completely off in the 'hibernation' state (as opposed to standby or suspend)... |
| 03:23.06 | jdhutchin1 | mlewis00, correct- the system is completely off |
| 03:23.15 | jdhutchin1 | encompass, gnome will install the appropriate samba packages probably |
| 03:23.21 | fbi | encompass: nautilus has a built in samba client which is probablhy what you were seeing |
| 03:23.36 | jdhutchin1 | mlewis00, the system boots up, and goes through POST, grub, and the kernel gets loaded |
| 03:23.56 | jdhutchin1 | mlewis00, then the kernel checks to see if there is a valid image, if there is, it loads the image back into memory and continues from right where it left off |
| 03:24.03 | encompass | ok, that is what I needed to know... have no intent on having my own smb network so I will remove samba, thanks |
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| 03:24.53 | gozz | no /acpi in /proc |
| 03:25.04 | mlewis00 | jdhutchin1: Oh, I see...so hibernation is a supervised state (i.e. I have to be at the machine to type in any passwords or make boot menu selections)... |
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| 03:25.43 | jdhutchin1 | mlewis00, well, you have to do whatever you usually have to do to get your kernel to load |
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| 03:26.59 | mlewis00 | jdhutchin1: OK, thanks...I think I understand now... |
| 03:27.46 | gozz | jdhutchin1 is there any where else it would be? |
| 03:28.15 | jdhutchin1 | gozz, that's usually where acpi is. Have you done any research about the cpu fan control support in linux? |
| 03:28.30 | jdhutchin1 | your research will tell you what drivers you need to load to get it to work |
| 03:28.41 | gozz | ya but its mostly for laptops |
| 03:28.42 | jdhutchin1 | acpi is highly hardware-dependent |
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| 03:30.51 | mlewis00 | Hmmm....I haven't heard _my_ fan come on for some time now either...I need to get this power management working so I know that something isn't going to overheat or something while I'm working... |
| 03:32.47 | Xenguy | MrCroup: hrm, symlink from .xinitrc to .xsession appears to be a popular solution (but make .xsession executable also) |
| 03:32.56 | gozz | dude i will trade you fans cause mine wont shut the f##k up |
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| 03:34.05 | mlewis00 | :-) |
| 03:35.05 | SimonRaven | er, no dinstall today? something happened? |
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| 03:35.19 | mlewis00 | gozz: You know, there may be a BIOS setting for the fan to be 'always enabled'...my system has a Windows user-space program that will set that. |
| 03:36.16 | mlewis00 | gozz: Maybe it has been set that way from Windows and the setting is kept in a configuration register or something...??? |
| 03:37.45 | gozz | my fan is software dependent it runs at full speed inder windows also until i install the driver |
| 03:38.18 | SimonRaven | gravity_: hi. happen to have any news on the (lack of) dinstall today? infrastructure? |
| 03:38.30 | gravity_ | SimonRaven: No idea |
| 03:38.37 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 03:38.48 | gozz | sony vaio sucks |
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| 03:38.59 | SimonRaven | so do black holes |
| 03:39.11 | roby | How do I change my ls colours to colours outside of the default set? |
| 03:39.24 | gozz | :) |
| 03:39.28 | SimonRaven | set LS_COLORS to whatever |
| 03:39.35 | roby | I mean like, bably blue, magenta |
| 03:39.44 | roby | not the default red, green, ... |
| 03:39.56 | SimonRaven | LS_COLORS=di=01;33: # makes my dirs yellow |
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| 03:40.13 | roby | indeed, but i need a different shade |
| 03:40.26 | SimonRaven | ANSI, dude ;) |
| 03:40.28 | roby | the default 8 colour set is terrible |
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| 03:40.35 | SimonRaven | 16 |
| 03:40.38 | roby | :) |
| 03:40.43 | roby | 8! |
| 03:40.47 | roby | lol |
| 03:40.53 | roby | let me try to get 16... |
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| 03:41.15 | SimonRaven | bold/bright, normal/dark |
| 03:41.36 | SimonRaven | same 8, different shades |
| 03:41.46 | roby | oooh |
| 03:41.48 | roby | i likes |
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| 03:42.05 | roby | 01; controls the shade right? |
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| 03:42.18 | SimonRaven | sets bold |
| 03:42.23 | roby | oh |
| 03:42.40 | roby | plz tell me how do i switch shade? |
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| 03:42.43 | SimonRaven | (or bright, depends on the term) |
| 03:43.12 | SimonRaven | no, you have it |
| 03:47.40 | roby | So how do they get that nice blue in gentoo? |
| 03:47.47 | roby | perhaps i ask them hehe |
| 03:49.43 | cheal | you have to recompile coreutils for that |
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| 03:51.29 | roby | eeee |
| 03:51.38 | roby | recomple coreutils applies to me cheal ? |
| 03:52.04 | roby | well, turns out i found the problem: it's only in my virtual console that the blue i really want looks so nice... in my Xterms the blue looks completely different |
| 03:52.14 | cheal | roby: yes...blue directories are only supported in coreutils's HEAD |
| 03:53.04 | roby | cheal: so to get the same blue that i see in my vc, into my x terminals, i'm going to have to do some real dirty work eh? |
| 03:53.13 | cheal | hehehe |
| 03:53.23 | roby | SimonRaven: thanks, at least i know how to change the term colours now |
| 03:53.30 | roby | too bad they so diff from my vc |
| 03:53.32 | SimonRaven | :) |
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| 03:54.06 | cheal | roby: I was checking if you would understand my joke. you *don't* need to recompile anything to get whatever color you want |
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| 03:55.34 | mlewis00 | Can someone tell me the right tweaks to get the 'tap to click' working right on a synaptics touchpad? |
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| 03:56.14 | roby | cheal: pffft hehehe |
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| 03:57.07 | bloom | how do I tell aptitude not to remove unused packages? |
| 03:57.32 | bloom | I want to follow the instructions in http://bugs.donarmstrong.com/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=136480 to convert from apt-get to aptitude |
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| 03:57.47 | dondelelcaro | bloom: don't mark them as automatically installed. |
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| 03:58.31 | bloom | dondelelcaro: to convert from apt-get/debfoster to aptitude according to those instructions involves temporarily marking *everything* as automatically installed |
| 03:58.59 | bloom | dondelelcaro: then marking everything that debfoster found as manually installed |
| 03:59.18 | bloom | dondelelcaro: I need a way to keep aptitude from removing everything in between those two steps |
| 03:59.25 | bloom | any ideas? |
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| 04:00.18 | bbrazil | bloom: don't press 'g' |
| 04:00.26 | bloom | I want to do this from the command line |
| 04:00.40 | bloom | I think I see the option for it from the UI |
| 04:00.46 | dondelelcaro | bloom: set Aptitude::Delete-Unused to false; see |
| 04:00.55 | dondelelcaro | bloom: the aptitude configuration file manual. |
| 04:01.48 | bloom | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 04:02.19 | dondelelcaro | bloom: did you pull up those results using google? |
| 04:02.19 | bloom | I set that in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 04:02.20 | bloom | yeah |
| 04:02.27 | bloom | yeah, I know the domain name is wrong |
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| 04:02.41 | roler | I am trying to use totem to play a dvd. It is complaining of not having libdvdcss. Debian says this package is unavailable. What movie player/packages do I need to install to watch a dvd? |
| 04:02.49 | dondelelcaro | bloom: /whois dondelelcaro; |
| 04:03.19 | bloom | dondelelcaro: what is bugs.donarmstrong.com and why does it exist? |
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| 04:03.35 | dondelelcaro | roler: less /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 04:04.07 | dondelelcaro | bloom: it's my own bts mirror, it exists because I need to test changes to the BTS code without breaking b.d.o. |
| 04:04.18 | roler | dondelelcaro, Whoaa!!! |
| 04:04.45 | bloom | dondelelcaro: aah. I love the debian BTS. keep up the good work |
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| 04:05.07 | roler | dondelelcaro, ;what dvd player do you recommend? |
| 04:05.09 | freddo1 | hi has anyone else noticed an orphaned /usr/include/libpng/png.h on debian sarge? |
| 04:05.40 | freddo1 | it turns up during a fresh install. |
| 04:05.52 | dondelelcaro | roler: xine generally works |
| 04:06.05 | dondelelcaro | freddo1: that should be part of libpng10-dev or some such. |
| 04:06.11 | dondelelcaro | !+find libpng/png.h sarge |
| 04:06.12 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 04:06.30 | freddo1 | dpkg -S /usr/include/libpng/png.h |
| 04:06.31 | freddo1 | dpkg: /usr/include/libpng/png.h not found. |
| 04:06.36 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/include/libpng/png.h! |
| 04:06.51 | cheal | hehehe |
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| 04:07.16 | dondelelcaro | !+find png.h sarge |
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| 04:07.24 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'png.h' (6 of 22): (/usr/share/hevea/html/png.hva) in tex/hevea ;; (/usr/include/m-png.h) in libdevel/libmdc2-dev ;; (/usr/include/pdp/pdp_png.h) in graphics/pd-pdp ;; (/usr/include/GL/glpng.h) in libdevel/libglpng-dev ;; (/usr/include/wx/imagpng.h) in devel/wxwin2.4-headers ;; (/usr/share/doc/libglpng/glpng.html) in libs/libglpng. |
| 04:07.26 | mlewis00 | freddo1: The file is not on my system and this is a relatively fresh install of Sarge... |
| 04:07.37 | dondelelcaro | freddo1: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 2005-10-14 13:50 /usr/include/libpng -> libpng12... |
| 04:07.46 | dondelelcaro | (or in your case, probably libpng10...) |
| 04:07.58 | dondelelcaro | !+find /png.h sarge |
| 04:08.05 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/png.h' (6 of 9): (/usr/share/hevea/html/png.hva) in tex/hevea ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/png/png.h) in devel/mozilla-dev ;; (/usr/include/libpng10/png.h) in libdevel/libpng10-dev ;; (/usr/include/libpng12/png.h) in libdevel/libpng12-dev ;; (/usr/include/ClanLib/png.h) in libdevel/libclanlib-dev ;; (/usr/lib/R/library/grDevices/html/png.html) in math/r-base-html. |
| 04:08.07 | freddo1 | dondelelcaro: fresh pbuilder chroot |
| 04:08.16 | dondelelcaro | freddo1: notice the symlink. |
| 04:08.41 | freddo1 | dondelelcaro: ls -la /usr/include/libpng*/* |
| 04:08.41 | freddo1 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 142306 Dec 3 2004 /usr/include/libpng/png.h |
| 04:08.54 | dondelelcaro | freddo1: ls -l /usr/include/libpng |
| 04:09.27 | freddo1 | dondelelcaro: okay doing that now. |
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| 04:10.20 | jaime | !mplayer |
| 04:10.20 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga> |
| 04:10.35 | freddo1 | dondelelcaro: aaah okay, its symlink |
| 04:10.37 | freddo1 | ls -l /usr/include/libpng |
| 04:10.37 | freddo1 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 8 Oct 28 04:09 /usr/include/libpng -> libpng12 |
| 04:10.46 | jaime | !marillat |
| 04:10.46 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is an unofficial repository containing packages not in Debian for patent-related reasons, <mplayer> being the most popular. See http://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html for details on how to add, or http://ftp.malyjarda.cz/pub/mirror/marillat.free.fr/ if you are using apt >= 0.6 ask me about <marillat key> |
| 04:10.53 | dondelelcaro | jaime: /msg the bot please. |
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| 04:11.40 | fevel | which irc client you guys use? |
| 04:11.46 | bob2 | irssi-text. |
| 04:12.13 | dondelelcaro | pretty much anyone who is in more than ~ 10 channels on > 3 networks uses irssi-text. |
| 04:12.15 | close_to_debian | Can someone help me with this bash code. It doesn't work... |
| 04:12.17 | close_to_debian | http://sial.org/pbot/13985?wr=on&tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it%21 |
| 04:12.47 | dondelelcaro | close_to_debian: what in the world are you trying to do? |
| 04:12.54 | cheal | dondelelcaro: stew talked about his web interface to dpkg today, pretty cool :) |
| 04:13.22 | mlewis00 | Can someone tell me the right tweaks to get the 'tap to click' working right on a synaptics touchpad? The single-click is not sensitive enough and I have no double-click... |
| 04:13.55 | jaime | fevel xchat |
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| 04:14.24 | jaime | mlewis00, lucky you, I wish I didnt had that touchpad |
| 04:14.30 | fevel | jaime: damn...ive tried to stick to it...but it seems to me that ksirc is better |
| 04:14.30 | rking | mlewis00: did you google at all |
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| 04:14.55 | bloom | dondelelcaro: thanks. worked great |
| 04:15.03 | close_to_debian | dondelelcaro: goto http://sial.org/pbot/13986?wr=on&tidy=on&hl=on&submit=Format+it%21 you would get it |
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| 04:15.18 | shadowarts_mac | i think there is a rootkit on my system, what can i do? |
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| 04:15.27 | dondelelcaro | close_to_debian: I looked at that, and it makes no sense. |
| 04:15.27 | Xander | hi all |
| 04:15.31 | fevel | jaime: I think I like to see "v" and "o" instead of color marbles |
| 04:15.34 | encompass | does prilink run at all times or is it like updatedb and makes a database. |
| 04:15.44 | encompass | I run a lappy and want to know to save battery |
| 04:15.59 | mlewis00 | rking: Yes, but I couldn't find what I needed...maybe didn't search the right keywords... |
| 04:16.06 | bob2 | close_to_debian: dondelelcaro is saying "it isn't even clear what that code is supposed to do, why don't you tell us so we can show you how to do it" |
| 04:16.19 | jaime | fevel just configure it as such |
| 04:16.25 | mlewis00 | jaime: I don't have a USB mouse yet :( |
| 04:16.26 | jaime | in settings on the xchat |
| 04:16.33 | shadowarts_mac | anyone? |
| 04:16.44 | bob2 | shadowarts_mac: unplug and reinstall |
| 04:16.44 | jaime | mlewis00, trust me the touchpad is annoyng use the buttons |
| 04:16.46 | rking | mlewis00: i searched for [synaptics touchpad], no quotes, not even "linux", and nearly every result on the first page is talking about using it with linux. |
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| 04:16.54 | Skrot | shadowarts_mac: Probably check with ckrootkit or rkhunter |
| 04:16.55 | bob2 | shadowarts_mac: or actually tell us why you think you have a rootkit... |
| 04:17.30 | jaime | if you have a rootkit you have no chances of detecting it from the machine itself anyway |
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| 04:17.43 | jaime | Unless is something really public and chkrootkit gets it |
| 04:17.47 | FlimFlamMan | if you run dd without specifying a block size, what does it default to? |
| 04:17.51 | bob2 | depends how carefule they are |
| 04:18.01 | shadowarts_mac | well i ran both those and they came up negative but my www-data user keeps on creating processes with the name '3' |
| 04:18.14 | mlewis00 | rking: I've been through a lot of those sites and that's how I got it working...what I am having a hard time finding is information on how to adjust the properties of the touchpad after I get it working... |
| 04:18.25 | shadowarts_mac | and i all of the sudden have and X11R6 folder |
| 04:18.53 | fevel | jaime: how do I configure the nicklist?? |
| 04:19.11 | tnks | hi all. I've avoiding using NSF, because it's overkill for my home network, but I think I might want it now for a Mondo backup. Do I need both the server and the client compiled with NSF support? |
| 04:19.44 | bob2 | shadowarts_mac: and where is that drectory? |
| 04:19.49 | bob2 | do you mean NFS? |
| 04:19.57 | shadowarts_mac | /usr/X11R6/ |
| 04:20.06 | zinx | wth is NSF |
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| 04:20.20 | bob2 | shadowarts_mac: that directory exists anyway... |
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| 04:20.24 | Skrot | shadowarts_mac: you've got XFree86/X.org on that computer? |
| 04:20.33 | shadowarts_mac | no its a server |
| 04:20.34 | EdLin | zinx: National Science Foundation, at one time the biggest owner of the internet backbone |
| 04:20.58 | zinx | EdLin: why would his server *or* client need support for the National Science Foundation? |
| 04:21.05 | shadowarts_mac | afaik it wasnt there before and i never installed xfree86/x.org on that system |
| 04:21.15 | EdLin | zinx: I don't know, but that's the only NSF I know about. ;) |
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| 04:22.17 | shadowarts_mac | now i have a forth processes named '3' running |
| 04:22.33 | shadowarts_mac | at one point 700 were running |
| 04:22.57 | bob2 | that sounds like a retard put a vulnerable cgi/php script up |
| 04:23.00 | bob2 | and someone exploited it |
| 04:23.04 | bob2 | what kerne are you running? |
| 04:23.18 | shadowarts_mac | 2.4.27 |
| 04:23.20 | dondelelcaro | and then it's setting $0='3' for the fun of it... |
| 04:23.21 | close_to_debian | bob2: ok, let me explain. I want to grep something after find(eg:- find ./ |grep something), but I don't know what to be grepped. But it's there in a variable TMP_IGNORE_LIST. here , TMP_IGNORE_LIST=asd,bfg,lsp and I just replaced comma(,) with "|grep -v" and I got the values as asd|grep -v bfg|grep -v lsp. now the find command <find . -print |grep -v `echo $TMP_IGNORE_LIST|replace -s "," "|grep -v "` (after replacing with the values, it is find |
| 04:23.21 | close_to_debian | . -print|grep -v asd|grep -v bfg|grep -v lsp)is not working exactly as I wanted. It's taking the pipe symbol( | ) as a string so I am getting the error message that shown in the link a |
| 04:23.36 | shadowarts_mac | i dont have a script named 3 anywhere |
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| 04:23.47 | bob2 | shadowarts_mac: no, that would be the exploit code, presumably |
| 04:24.00 | dondelelcaro | close_to_debian: so find . -type f |xargs grep $SOMETHINGTOGREPBY; or whatever. |
| 04:24.13 | bob2 | close_to_debian: make TMPIGNORELIST contain an actual regexp |
| 04:24.27 | shadowarts_mac | bob2: is there any way i can tell where this process '3' came from? |
| 04:24.35 | bob2 | ps auxf |
| 04:25.00 | shadowarts_mac | www-data 23969 0.0 0.1 1612 596 ? S 00:22 0:00 /tmp/nvnbpasgf x |
| 04:25.01 | shadowarts_mac | /tmp/nvnnbpasgf |
| 04:25.22 | close_to_debian | dondelelcaro: checking |
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| 04:25.51 | mlewis00 | rking: I can paste my XF86Config-4 in #flood if you want to see what I've found so far...however, I just discovered that I also don't have a double-click with the mouse button either :( |
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| 04:27.43 | skel_home | looks like base.google.com is up |
| 04:27.48 | skel_home | cant seem to login though |
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| 04:30.20 | close_to_debian | dondelelcaro: that's not the one I wanted. What I want is I want to ignore something after find(Earlier I said I want to grep, I am sorry. What I mwant is I want to ignore something using grep -v) it's like find . -print|grep -v asd|grep -v pps etc. |
| 04:31.03 | dondelelcaro | close_to_debian: so find . -type f -not -iname 'foo' |
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| 04:31.14 | dondelelcaro | close_to_debian: or similar; if you're insane, you can TMP_IGNORE_LIST="foo,lib,tmp"; REGEX=$(echo "\($TMP_IGNORE_LIST\)"|sed 's/\,/\\\|/g'); ls|grep $REGEX |
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| 04:31.51 | orangerd | hi, i was wondering if anyone knew how to add items to my gnome Applications menu |
| 04:32.06 | skel_home | orangerd: thats in the gnome faq |
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| 04:32.27 | orangerd | skel_home: i checked gnome help, and they said i should be going to applications:///, but it doesn't exist :( |
| 04:32.30 | skel_home | orangerd: http://www.gnome.org/learn/admin-guide/latest/ch02s06.html |
| 04:32.38 | orangerd | skel_home: thought something might be different in debian's gnome |
| 04:32.57 | skel_home | applications-all-users:/// |
| 04:33.12 | orangerd | skel_home: tried that as well, no go :P |
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| 04:33.21 | skel_home | orangerd: what ver? |
| 04:33.35 | orangerd | skel_home: 2.10.2 |
| 04:33.51 | skel_home | hm |
| 04:33.58 | orangerd | skel_home: wondering if its something to do with vfs... |
| 04:34.26 | skel_home | could be, not quite sure how you'd go about troubleshooting that |
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| 04:34.54 | mlewis00 | jaime: Does your touchpad not work either? |
| 04:34.59 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:35.00 | orangerd | skel_home: hm.. well thnx for the info tho, will try to see if i could manually edit some config or such |
| 04:35.19 | samuel | is there any way to extract the contents of a tomeraider file in linux? |
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| 04:35.36 | skel_home | orangerd: try poking around in the config editor |
| 04:35.48 | skel_home | orangerd: applications -> nautilus |
| 04:36.23 | orangerd | skel_home: well, im wondering if they've put application items inside gconf or in vfs |
| 04:37.13 | jaime | anyway to force a cdrom to umount ? |
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| 04:39.44 | close_to_debian | dondelelcaro: great, it seems to be working. let me implement the same in my script. I would not use the first option that you gave because here, I don't know the values to be ignored, but the second one, magnificient, nothing more than I wanted. I can put the values into a variable and ignore them. thanks mate:-) |
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| 04:41.40 | myren | hey, what can i cat to show my remaining battery power? |
| 04:42.50 | orangerd | myren: /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info perhaps? |
| 04:43.06 | orangerd | myren: or maybe /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/state |
| 04:43.47 | fevel | myren:_| I saw a package not so long on a brazillian distro for powersave but dont remember the name, the distro is called kurumin and its a livecd |
| 04:43.58 | myren | yeah, thanks |
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| 04:45.06 | jaime | damn I cant beleive I cant umount this shit |
| 04:45.14 | jaime | I will have to turn of the pc ? |
| 04:45.27 | mlewis00 | jaime: Paperclip? |
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| 04:45.50 | donfilipo | hi i changed my geforce 2 with radeon 9000 and now x-server doesn't start, with wich command can i set the server to new graphic card |
| 04:46.04 | fevel | jaime:_| do you have a console opened?? |
| 04:46.11 | jaime | fevel yes |
| 04:46.24 | mlewis00 | orangerd: What do I do if /proc/acpi/battery/ is an empty directory? |
| 04:46.34 | fevel | maybe you cd int the cdrom directory?? |
| 04:46.46 | jaime | donfilipo, emacs /etc/X11/xorg.conf and in driver write "ati" |
| 04:46.51 | orangerd | mlewis00: that probably means u dont have ACPI enabled or ACPI's battery module enabled in ur kernel config |
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| 04:46.58 | jaime | Fevel nop |
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| 04:47.13 | jaime | I opened the mplayer and I mount it through mplayer |
| 04:47.29 | mlewis00 | orangerd: In a stock kernel? How do I enable it without recompiling? |
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| 04:48.13 | orangerd | mlewis00: well, to tell you the truth, im a debian newb so i cant really tell :( |
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| 04:49.02 | jaime | mlewis00, recompile |
| 04:49.08 | mlewis00 | orangerd: Oh well, thanks anyway...I'll have to do some more googleing for that I guess... |
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| 04:49.41 | ice1963 | what do you need ? |
| 04:50.08 | mlewis00 | jaime: I didn't really want to do that because then it puts the responsibility of tracking security fixes on me doesn't it? |
| 04:50.45 | jaime | mlewis00, yes in the kernel |
| 04:50.52 | mlewis00 | jaime: :( |
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| 04:51.48 | mlewis00 | jaime: Did the paperclip work or would that break something...just wondering... |
| 04:52.00 | jaime | mlewis00, paperclip :) |
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| 04:53.05 | mlewis00 | jaime: There is a hole in the front of the CD drive that you can (carefully) insert a paperclp (or other small diameter item) to open the CD... |
| 04:54.30 | mlewis00 | jaime: You push very carefully until it opens far enough so that you can grab the carriage with your hand, although I don't know what the kernel might think of that. |
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| 04:58.16 | fevel | I vote a reboot jaime |
| 04:58.45 | fevel | see if it happens again |
| 04:59.24 | jaime | I already did thanks :) |
| 04:59.53 | mlewis00 | lsof doesn't show anything? I've had that happen to me before and was wondering if the paperclip trick would break anything... |
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| 05:00.18 | mlewis00 | I ended up rebooting too... :) |
| 05:01.03 | Dewi | I'm currently burdened with a fedora-based production server (web and mail basically) |
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| 05:01.55 | Dewi | my medium term plan involves getting off fedora and back to the saneness of debian... or possibly ubuntu. My main concern with sarge is I'm worried that I'm going to be stuck with several-years-out-of-date software soon |
| 05:02.18 | jbroome | Dewi: not soon. just in several years. :) |
| 05:02.24 | Dewi | :) |
| 05:02.29 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: if you're actually running in production, you generally don't care about that. |
| 05:02.45 | itp560 | what is best to use as a Desktop sid / sarge ? |
| 05:02.46 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: and in the rare cases where you do, you can always backport the specific versions that you need to upgrade. |
| 05:02.54 | dondelelcaro | itp560: if you have to ask, start with sarge. |
| 05:03.03 | Dewi | well, if I find a feature or functionality fix I Must Have(tm)... are backports something I should investigate? |
| 05:03.45 | Dewi | are there some famously reliable sources of sarge-compatible backports, in convenient .deb form? |
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| 05:04.09 | Dewi | I have heard of backports.org... any others? |
| 05:04.18 | itp560 | dondelelcaro, But it I can't get the all the latest application versions |
| 05:04.34 | itp560 | *it |
| 05:04.39 | Dewi | itp560: there is also testing (etch) between sarge and sid, btw |
| 05:05.01 | cheal | itp560: so pick something between those? |
| 05:05.06 | Dewi | itp560: but something to always remember with a new system is that you can change from sarge -> etch -> sid, but not the other way |
| 05:05.36 | cheal | Dewi: there are no "famously reliable sources of sarge-compatible backports" |
| 05:06.08 | Dewi | cheal: that's a shame. I am just wary of becoming locked into out-of-date software after a while |
| 05:06.08 | cheal | although, if there are sarge backports, they could hardly be in something other than .deb |
| 05:06.32 | cheal | Dewi: if there's a famously reliable sources of sarge-compatible backports, it's volatile |
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| 05:08.02 | tung | maybe a silly question |
| 05:08.17 | tung | whats the c++ compiler that i can apt-get? |
| 05:08.29 | Dewi | cheal: yeah, although a lot of "non-debian package sources" seem to offer an "apt" based approach as well as downloading of debs. I normally download debs manually to carefully control access to non-Debian packages |
| 05:08.43 | mlewis00 | So if I decide to go ahead and build my own kernel to solve ACPI and touchpad problems is there any reason why I shouldn't use a version newer than 2.6 on Sarge? |
| 05:08.44 | tung | gcc is the c compiler, i know |
| 05:09.36 | mlewis00 | g++ ? |
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| 05:10.59 | cheal | Dewi: sounds good |
| 05:11.09 | tung | mlewis00: thanks |
| 05:11.24 | mlewis00 | tung: No problem :) |
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| 05:13.10 | cheal | Dewi: as jbroome said, sarge can hardly not become several years out of date in several years...not sure what answer you expect |
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| 05:13.53 | mely | how to localization(chinese) for GTK and QT software |
| 05:14.26 | cheal | mely: no particular way (at least for Qt) |
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| 05:15.27 | gihad | hey, how could I have my notebook with debian to load the fastest possible ? |
| 05:15.49 | gihad | (initialize the system) |
| 05:16.21 | cheal | gihad: minimize the services started in your boot runlevel |
| 05:16.25 | xfan | gihad : run on text mode ...xD |
| 05:16.58 | gihad | ok, let me ask again, hehe |
| 05:17.00 | skel_home | gihad: boot once and always just suspend |
| 05:17.41 | gihad | skel_home, humm, what's the disadvantage of that ? |
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| 05:17.47 | Estagus | re all |
| 05:17.52 | skel_home | gihad: uses minimal battery |
| 05:18.02 | Estagus | sorry for my english, I'm russian |
| 05:18.02 | skel_home | gihad: when not using it |
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| 05:18.20 | Estagus | I need help |
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| 05:18.43 | gihad | skel_home, humm, but does it turn of the computer ? I have to put it in a bag , hehe |
| 05:18.52 | Estagus | I need to compile a em64t kernel from i386 sarge 3.0a |
| 05:19.01 | jair | It is safe to install the apache web server on the same firewall machine debian. |
| 05:19.12 | mlewis00 | gihad: Hibernation does... |
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| 05:19.16 | skel_home | gihad: it suspends to ram, so yeah you can close it and typically go days without it being plugged in on newer laptops |
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| 05:19.36 | M4hd1 | hi. Could anybody plz help me setting lirc? It used to work, but since i upgraded my kernel it doesnt. I finally managed to recompile its kernel modules, but when i modprobe lirc_dev i get "lirc_dev: Unknown symbol class_simple_device_add" and 3 more similar msgs... |
| 05:20.00 | Estagus | please... help me |
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| 05:20.25 | cheal | Estagus: why do you need to? how can you be helped? |
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| 05:20.45 | Estagus | cheal: what? |
| 05:20.48 | skel_home | Estagus: do you need help with cross compiling? |
| 05:20.57 | Estagus | skel_home: yes |
| 05:21.04 | cheal | Estagus: why do you need to compile such a kernel? |
| 05:21.10 | Estagus | skel_home: compile em64t kernel |
| 05:21.18 | skel_home | cheal: my guess is he's got a emt64 proc ;) |
| 05:21.19 | cheal | Estagus: you didn't ask any question yet, nobody can help you |
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| 05:21.23 | Estagus | cheal: I have such processor |
| 05:21.34 | cheal | skel_home: that would make sense |
| 05:21.55 | gihad | skel_home, I Will se how that works for me, but still I Wanna know what to do to have it load the faster it could from when it's turned off, yet having everything I need loaded (like sound, Network, etc..) |
| 05:21.57 | Estagus | make bzImage failed witj error:arch/x86_64/kernel/asm-offsets.c:1: error: code model 'kernel' not supported in the 32 bit mode |
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| 05:22.15 | cheal | Estagus: can't you use a debian-amd64 kernel? |
| 05:22.33 | Estagus | cheal: where can I get this? |
| 05:22.42 | skel_home | Estagus: apt-get |
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| 05:23.06 | skel_home | Estagus: apt-cache search amd64 |
| 05:23.13 | crow | anyone tell me what the command for showing dependancies per deb binary? |
| 05:23.18 | Estagus | cheal: and crosscomlile needed too... I soon install the same without internet |
| 05:23.19 | Dewi | cheal: pretend I said "stable" instead of "sarge" |
| 05:23.51 | cheal | Estagus: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 05:24.17 | Dewi | cheal: if I install sarge today and it starts to lack freshness in a year's time, I can go to "etch", but then I'm stuck on testing... or am I? I guess if I specify "etch" instead of "testing" in my sources then it should settle again by next release time |
| 05:24.18 | Estagus | thanx |
| 05:24.27 | cheal | crow: try dpkg -I foo.deb |
| 05:24.34 | cheal | crow: or precise what you mean |
| 05:24.48 | crow | cheal: thanks! |
| 05:25.03 | dvsdude | crow: apt-cache show |
| 05:25.06 | Phated | crow: apt-cache depends <package> |
| 05:25.15 | cheal | Estagus: I can't help you cross-compiling, just help you get amd64 kernels |
| 05:25.53 | cheal | Dewi: that makes more sense |
| 05:25.59 | cheal | Dewi: and yes, you can do that |
| 05:26.28 | cheal | the only release that never gets stable is sid |
| 05:26.34 | Dewi | testing has had a few problems lately surrounding xorg and udev. |
| 05:26.51 | Dewi | which has been a low point in "testing" stability for several years in my personal experience |
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| 05:27.23 | cheal | xorg? not aware of that |
| 05:27.36 | cheal | I have no clue about udeb |
| 05:27.39 | cheal | udev |
| 05:27.50 | Dewi | large-scale system brokenness like that used to be rare, and maybe it will again - and thus testing might not be something to fear |
| 05:27.56 | cheal | but of course testing has its bugs |
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| 05:28.30 | Dewi | as I think I mentioned, I'm considering trying ubuntu's "server" installation instead of sarge purely on the basis of its liklihood of being updated sooner |
| 05:28.43 | cheal | hehe |
| 05:28.50 | Dewi | but maybe I should not fear jumping from sarge to etch if I really need to in the future |
| 05:28.58 | bucky | my testing is working just fine |
| 05:29.20 | Dewi | bucky: I run testing personally out of production, and it's usually just fine, but lately there's been some xorg and udev problems. |
| 05:29.21 | cheal | well if you consider ubuntu, I guess the argument against etch loses its value |
| 05:29.24 | Dewi | Not that I'd run xorg on production. |
| 05:29.35 | bucky | i haven't ran into any |
| 05:29.53 | Dewi | bucky: it seems to have been highly dependant on which points in time you ran "apt-get update" |
| 05:30.05 | bucky | i upgrade everyday |
| 05:30.06 | Dewi | bucky: there were several "levels" of problem depending on the admin's timing in updating |
| 05:30.41 | Dewi | well, I update approx weekly and I got "medium level" problems in the udev upgrade. Other people with less frequent updates had more severe problems, iirc |
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| 05:31.11 | cheal | at least in sid, udev is probably the package that broke the most recently |
| 05:31.20 | Dewi | anyway, I think I'm going to give sarge a go with a view to getting it into production here in a few months |
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| 05:31.58 | Dewi | cheal: fortunately the breakage in testing was more "apt-get update failed" than the actual system going down |
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| 05:32.16 | Dewi | cheal: apt was pretty flaky until you figured out how to convinced it to move forward |
| 05:32.19 | bucky | Dewi, you really should intall ubuntu server |
| 05:32.28 | Dewi | bucky: yeah? |
| 05:32.37 | bucky | i think so |
| 05:32.51 | Dewi | what's the advantage over sarge? |
| 05:33.10 | cheal | Dewi: with etch you have to watch apt-listbugs, and check every time you upgrade if you're careful for new non-RC bugs. |
| 05:33.13 | Dewi | quick, before an op beats us with an OT stick |
| 05:33.25 | Dewi | cheal: "RC"? |
| 05:33.36 | cheal | !rc |
| 05:33.36 | dpkg | well, rc is for Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 05:33.47 | bucky | Dewi, go install ubuntu |
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| 05:34.08 | Dewi | bucky: why? |
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| 05:34.46 | bucky | <Dewi> as I think I mentioned, I'm considering trying ubuntu's "server" installation instead of sarge purely on the basis of its liklihood of being updated sooner |
| 05:34.50 | cheal | Dewi: and then you'll discover new RC bugs not yet found in sid about...never |
| 05:35.24 | cheal | Dewi: I opened one once, but I was not affected at all |
| 05:35.53 | cheal | and that breakage came from Microsoft...of course :) |
| 05:36.36 | Dewi | cheal: I thought the point of sid/testing being separate was that updates with RC bugs *never* got to testing? |
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| 05:37.39 | citrosack | can anyone in here help me with the command chmod |
| 05:37.44 | cheal | Dewi: that's the goal, it doesn't mean it always works. but the specific bug I'm referring to is from a MSN protocol change...the package wasn't broken when it entered etch |
| 05:37.49 | NOthsouth | citrosack, ? |
| 05:37.56 | dvsdude | citrosack: whats ur Q |
| 05:38.04 | citrosack | well.. |
| 05:38.05 | dvsdude | citrosack: man chmod |
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| 05:38.36 | cheal | Dewi: s/etch/sarge |
| 05:38.43 | jair | guys what is the version I should install from mysql If I am using sarge I see: 1- mysql-server and 2- mysqlserver 4.1?? |
| 05:39.02 | cheal | jair: if you have no clue, what about the default one? |
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| 05:39.22 | Dewi | cheal: if one's sources say "stable", what kind of updates come through? is it security ONLY? RC fixes as well? |
| 05:39.28 | citrosack | lets say i have /folder/lots of subfolders here/files how can i do something like chmod -R ugo=rwx /folder with out it setting exicute on all my FILES |
| 05:39.32 | jair | cheal, yes i think so |
| 05:39.48 | freenik | which time on your side? |
| 05:40.50 | cheal | Dewi: RC fixes are possible in theory, but that nearly never happens. |
| 05:41.00 | citrosack | btw man chmod doens't help |
| 05:41.14 | cheal | Dewi: up to now, sarge got one mozilla-firefox upload fixing a previous security update's breakage |
| 05:41.38 | Estagus | cheal: I've installed amd64 kernel |
| 05:41.47 | cheal | Estagus: cool, does it work? |
| 05:42.04 | Estagus | cheal: booted it... and can-not compile |
| 05:42.09 | Estagus | cheal: works... |
| 05:42.30 | cheal | Estagus: great, because I couldn't have been helpful otherwise :) |
| 05:42.52 | Estagus | cheal: but in /var/log/messages prints a: ia32 emulation |
| 05:43.37 | jair | in debian anybody knows what version is the "mysql-server" because it is two, the other is "mysql-server 4.1" |
| 05:43.46 | citrosack | anyone? |
| 05:43.50 | cheal | jair: 4.0 |
| 05:43.54 | Coweater | if a card has two outputs (rage 128) how do you force one with xorg? |
| 05:43.58 | Estagus | cheal: but I very needed in hand-compiled kernel |
| 05:44.03 | dvsdude | citrosack: it doesnt look like chmod can do it. maybe wild card /folders/*.blah |
| 05:44.08 | jair | ohh ok then I go with 4.1 ;) |
| 05:44.32 | dvsdude | citrosack: even info chmod doesnt offer an exclude option |
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| 05:44.55 | cheal | Estagus: what do you mean? |
| 05:44.58 | citrosack | wow that is really dumb |
| 05:45.08 | Estagus | cheal: I very need a hand-compiled kernel |
| 05:45.09 | citrosack | seams like that wouldn't be to hard to program |
| 05:45.18 | citrosack | just make it so it only affects directories |
| 05:45.33 | Estagus | cheal: compile a custom kernel |
| 05:45.41 | cheal | Estagus: why? |
| 05:46.08 | Estagus | cheal: preemption, newest 2.6.14 kernel and so on... |
| 05:46.26 | dvsdude | citrosack: i'd be inclined to write small bash script to do it but thats still extra work that is always good to avoid extra work |
| 05:46.34 | cheal | Estagus: why would you need a 2.6.14? |
| 05:46.44 | Estagus | cheal: =) |
| 05:46.55 | Estagus | cheal: not important... here... =) |
| 05:47.10 | Estagus | cheal: wrong question |
| 05:48.33 | citrosack | why g thanks for that |
| 05:49.17 | dvsdude | citrosack: why g thats ok u asked we answered |
| 05:50.28 | dvsdude | citrosack: why dont you organis the files and folders in abetter manner so it wouldnt be an issue |
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| 05:51.11 | bob2 | Estagus: having a good reason for compiling a kernel is useful to have |
| 05:51.33 | bob2 | I'm disinclined to help someone compile a kernel just because OMG IT IS A NEW VERSION, but I've put hours in to helping people compile kernels so their machine actually workd |
| 05:51.34 | citrosack | wont work /music/albusm/artist/album/song.mp3 |
| 05:51.55 | Estagus | bob2: I see... |
| 05:52.16 | bob2 | dunno if anyone else here feels the same, tho, obviously |
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| 05:52.52 | cheal | bob2: you don't? ;) |
| 05:56.51 | gihad | After I downloaded a kernel image from apt-get my system takes alomst 2 min to initialize |
| 05:57.08 | gihad | can I post my lsmod here ? |
| 05:57.14 | sep | gihad, no use paster |
| 05:57.20 | dvsdude | citrosack: wht about use find /folder/*.mp3 > mp3.txt; then cat mp3.txt | \ while read line do chmod blah blah $line done |
| 05:57.30 | Robr0etc | hello, anyone a clue, why only the Kernel 2.6.8-16 is on the Debian Server ? on kernel.org is the latest stable the 2.6.11 |
| 05:58.04 | cheal | Robr0etc: debian has 2.6.12/2.6.13+ too. you're referring to sarge. |
| 05:58.15 | bob2 | Robr0etc: because wehn sarge stablised, 2.6.8.1 was chosen to be the kernel |
| 05:58.47 | Dewi | is there a sarge installer size between 100mb and 8gb? |
| 05:59.02 | cheal | Dewi: hum...the first CD? |
| 05:59.03 | Robr0etc | ok, guess, it helps me, i will look the others, only not been sure about, if its good, to use a higher version |
| 05:59.07 | bob2 | Dewi: cd images, business card isos |
| 05:59.20 | cheal | Dewi: unless I misunderstand your question |
| 05:59.25 | tvn | Robr0etc: because it's Debian stable ! where everything is rigorously tested and therefore generations behind |
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| 05:59.47 | Robr0etc | @tn :D |
| 05:59.54 | bob2 | Robr0etc: not unless you havea a good reason to |
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| 06:00.29 | cheal | Robr0etc: 2.6.8.1 is the default 2.6 kernel. if you want to use 2.6, use it unless you have a reason |
| 06:00.33 | paivakil | Dewi: netinst.iso |
| 06:01.21 | Dewi | paivakil: that's only 100mb. I was hoping to download something a bit bigger with a bit more software on it, but not 9gb |
| 06:01.38 | Dewi | the machine I'm installing to doesn't have the fastest net connection in the world |
| 06:01.47 | cheal | Dewi: so download (what you want/~650 MB) CDs |
| 06:02.19 | Robr0etc | i got a smp system, and guess somhow, things will go better n better , my sarge hae some errors, and is somtimes slow. That is since i installed it first, so not sure abouth, whats wrong |
| 06:02.29 | paivakil | Dewi: each dd is only 640 MB |
| 06:02.33 | Dewi | cheal: so they are ordered from most common -> least common? and each is registered with apt as an independant source? |
| 06:02.46 | cheal | Dewi: yes |
| 06:03.25 | Dewi | if not that's kind of cool. |
| 06:03.25 | cheal | Dewi: no |
| 06:03.46 | cheal | Robr0etc: what kind of errors? |
| 06:04.08 | bob2 | Robr0etc: blindly upgrading your kernel does not seem like an optimal plan then |
| 06:04.12 | peterS | Dewi: right, they're independent, as far as apt indexing |
| 06:04.12 | bob2 | Dewi: no |
| 06:04.18 | bob2 | Dewi: it indexes each cd independantly |
| 06:04.28 | bob2 | Dewi: you can make your own cds with whatever you want on the, too (using debian-cd) |
| 06:04.53 | Robr0etc | maynly, if i try to start search files, it froze every times, this window, and tvtime, its a tvprog for my tvcard dont run right |
| 06:05.16 | Dewi | bob2, peterS, cheal : that's 1337. |
| 06:05.27 | bob2 | hah |
| 06:05.43 | Dewi | :P |
| 06:06.00 | peterS | Dewi: you must be thinking of AIX. the install CD set has a full index on each CD, and it'll ask you to please insert CD 3 after you select some package on CD 3 |
| 06:06.02 | cheal | !d3b14n |
| 06:06.03 | dpkg | d3b14n is probably to speak l33t, /j #d3b14n, /part #debian |
| 06:06.19 | cheal | Dewi: that's why we're making d3b14n! |
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| 06:07.10 | bob2 | peterS: fedora can't even be installed without all 3 |
| 06:07.18 | peterS | bob2: oh, cute |
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| 06:08.16 | tuxuser19 | can any one help me in setting up a home network |
| 06:08.54 | Dewi | I'm the only person in #d3b14n :{ |
| 06:09.00 | tuxuser19 | i have 2 pcs both running debian 3.1 & i have installed network cards on both but for some reason the network card in the server |
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| 06:09.05 | Eclipser | you forgot to part #debian |
| 06:09.13 | cheal | Dewi: hum...maybe try #d3b41n ;) |
| 06:09.15 | Robr0etc | if somone want to know :P i got a asus p2b-ds dual board, with 2 x 550Mhz PIII with Bx chipset, its nothing very exotic |
| 06:09.33 | Dewi | I was the only person in there too :{ |
| 06:09.34 | tuxuser19 | how to install a network card on debian? |
| 06:09.39 | Dewi | guess I'm the only 1337 person in this channel |
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| 06:09.55 | Dewi | or even on all of freenode |
| 06:09.58 | Eclipser | tuxuser19, put it in the box and compile/load the driver? |
| 06:10.09 | cheal | tuxuser19: it looks like you previous message was truncated ("but for some reason the network card in the server") |
| 06:10.11 | paivakil | tuxuser19: plut it in |
| 06:10.23 | Eclipser | plut :p |
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| 06:10.25 | paivakil | s/plut/plug |
| 06:10.32 | Eclipser | syntax error too' |
| 06:11.16 | tuxuser19 | i did install on the pci slot of my pc |
| 06:11.18 | xerophyte | Why doesn't people use SQLight, everybody use mysql |
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| 06:11.52 | tuxuser19 | it didnt came with any drivers |
| 06:11.54 | cheal | Dewi: even #gentoo? |
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| 06:11.58 | paivakil | tuxuser19: so, what is the problem now? |
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| 06:12.15 | paivakil | what does lspci say? is the card detected? |
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| 06:12.17 | tuxuser19 | how to know that the network card is installed properly |
| 06:12.23 | bob2 | xerophyte: because they're entirely different things? |
| 06:12.40 | dvsdude | tuxuser19, ifconfig |
| 06:12.43 | tuxuser19 | 0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset Host Bridge (rev 03) |
| 06:12.44 | tuxuser19 | 0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82845 845 (Brookdale) Chipset AGP Bridge (rev 03) |
| 06:12.44 | tuxuser19 | 0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 12) |
| 06:12.44 | tuxuser19 | 0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BA ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 12) |
| 06:12.44 | tuxuser19 | 0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801BA IDE U100 (rev 12) |
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| 06:12.54 | xerophyte | bob2, really ? |
| 06:13.05 | Eclipser | what an idiot |
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| 06:13.25 | dvsdude | tuxuser19, join #flood and paste there please |
| 06:13.29 | xerophyte | bob2, i mean sqlight seems good for small application like snort and stuff |
| 06:13.35 | Eclipser | #flood is too messy |
| 06:13.37 | Eclipser | use a pastebin |
| 06:13.38 | tuxuser19 | im sorry |
| 06:13.44 | luddite | chao |
| 06:13.49 | tuxuser19 | i didnt know that im new |
| 06:14.29 | dvsdude | tuxuser19, do lspci then see network card then do lsmod see if kernel modular for network load |
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| 06:15.58 | paivakil | tuxuser19: what card is it? intel? |
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| 06:16.30 | tuxuser19 | no it is a Netgear FA311. When i type in lsmod i get some list |
| 06:17.01 | peterS | tuxuser19: oh, that's the "natsemi" module, I think |
| 06:17.05 | dvsdude | tuxuser19, lspci Ethernet controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6102 [Rhine-II] lsmod returns mii 4736 1 via_rhine |
| 06:17.10 | tuxuser19 | but when i type in lspci i can see two lines with "ethernet controller" |
| 06:17.13 | bob2 | xerophyte: yes, but that doesn't make it a network RDBMS |
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| 06:17.29 | peterS | tuxuser19: do you have a built-in ethernet controller on your motherboard? possibly you do, and that's the second one shown |
| 06:17.36 | tuxuser19 | basically i have two network cards on my pc |
| 06:17.44 | peterS | tuxuser19: ok so you have the FA311 and what else? |
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| 06:17.55 | dvsdude | tuxuser19, well do lsmod see if used |
| 06:18.03 | tuxuser19 | other one is realtek |
| 06:18.20 | litage | after training spamassassin for spam and ham, what would cause spamassassin to score spam emails withs values like -0.959 and -0.997? |
| 06:18.49 | gihad | Why is my debian loading appletalk at boot time ? |
| 06:18.50 | tuxuser19 | dvsdude:what do u mean by "if used" |
| 06:19.08 | peterS | tuxuser19: so anyway, you want to "modprobe natsemi". the driver for your FA311 is called "natsemi". |
| 06:19.19 | BlatioS | hej alla, ja håller på å installerar Debian på min systers dator, MEN den fan vill inte installera nic:et, de är realtec 8139 modulen, den ska väl funka? |
| 06:19.24 | Marxist | realtek uses rl0 on bsd and RL8139too |
| 06:19.30 | Marxist | on linux |
| 06:19.38 | peterS | tuxuser19: is your realtek card already working? |
| 06:19.45 | tuxuser19 | if i type in modprobe natsemi nothing comes up |
| 06:20.00 | peterS | tuxuser19: oh it doesn't come up right away, that's just the first step, getting it recognised by the kernel |
| 06:20.05 | tuxuser19 | yeah my realtek is working properly...which i use for my adsl |
| 06:20.07 | peterS | tuxuser19: now do 'ifconfig -a' and it should show up as eth1 |
| 06:21.07 | tuxuser19 | if typein ifconfig -a it came up with "eth0 eth1 & l0" |
| 06:21.13 | BlatioS | hej alla, ja håller på å installerar Debian på min systers dator, MEN den fan vill inte installera nic:et, de är realtek 8139 modulen, den ska väl funka? |
| 06:21.20 | Dewi | cheal: maybe if they called their distro #g3nt00 I could take them seriously |
| 06:21.20 | peterS | tuxuser19: correct, eth0 is your realtek, eth1 is your natsemi |
| 06:21.25 | tuxuser19 | interestingly eth1 has IP address but not eth0 |
| 06:21.33 | peterS | tuxuser19: the natsemi should have a MAC address that starts with 08:00:17 or 10:00:E8 |
| 06:21.47 | dvsdude | BlatioS, sorry but we dont read danish to well please type english |
| 06:22.20 | peterS | looked svenska to me, but who knows |
| 06:22.29 | tuxuser19 | eth0 has Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0F:B5:8D:89:B1 |
| 06:22.32 | BlatioS | dvsdude it's swedish :P, shod Realtek 8139 work in debian? |
| 06:22.43 | paivakil | BlatioS: sure yes |
| 06:22.45 | Marxist | yes |
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| 06:22.55 | peterS | tuxuser19: ok, that's a Netgear brand card |
| 06:22.56 | tuxuser19 | so basically when i type in ifconfig -a & i can see eth0 eth1 means my card is installed proeprly? |
| 06:23.01 | Marxist | realtek 8139 is fully supported on all distributions |
| 06:23.17 | paivakil | tuxuser19: yes and it is set up |
| 06:23.29 | tuxuser19 | i meant eth0 is my new netgear card isnt? |
| 06:23.31 | peterS | tuxuser19: HWaddr 00:0F:B5:... is Netgear, so I guess that's the realtek chip |
| 06:23.33 | paivakil | now, read the ifconfig manpages to actually use it ;) |
| 06:23.34 | cheal | Dewi: oh, yeah, I was thinking about gent00, but you're right |
| 06:23.37 | Marxist | BlatiOS, you mean that wasn't german? |
| 06:23.46 | cheal | Dewi: it's in your blood |
| 06:23.52 | peterS | tuxuser19: well, wait, Netgear is the FA311, isn't it? anyway. |
| 06:24.04 | tuxuser19 | ya |
| 06:24.05 | Dewi | cheal: they are almost there, you know? |
| 06:24.12 | paivakil | tuxuser19: be careful, kernel may assign eth0 and eth1 at random during different boots |
| 06:24.13 | peterS | tuxuser19: it is strange that eth0 would be detected before eth1, if eth1 is the one you had already installed |
| 06:24.21 | Dewi | cheal: just a couple of numeric replacements short of true 1337ness |
| 06:24.33 | BlatioS | it not working om my sisters pc, but, i install Debian on the pc now, i will se soon, Marxist no it's swedish :D |
| 06:24.44 | Marxist | BlatiOS, let me see how good my latin is, are you trying to install linux on your sisters pc? |
| 06:24.50 | Marxist | i knew it |
| 06:24.56 | Marxist | damn im good |
| 06:25.00 | paivakil | BlatioS: which kernel version? |
| 06:25.07 | peterS | Marxist: your latin sucks, he said his girlfriend's PC |
| 06:25.09 | tuxuser19 | infact my eth0 used to be my old network card the realtek one but wat i have done in i have changed some setting in "network mngmt" in gnome now it somes up as eth1 |
| 06:25.35 | peterS | tuxuser19: ok, I don't know anything about gnome's network management applet, so I don't know what it did to change this stuff |
| 06:25.39 | Dewi | Marxist: swedish has nothing to do with latin, as far as I am aware |
| 06:25.40 | BlatioS | Marxist hahaha, paivakil 3.1a i fink it's :S |
| 06:25.42 | Marxist | umm, he just said his sisters pc |
| 06:25.45 | paivakil | tuxuser19: you need to set up your /etc/network/interfaces to avoid that problem, rean the manpages |
| 06:25.53 | peterS | Marxist: you're totally mistranslating the Latin |
| 06:26.10 | Marxist | latin is the origin of most languages |
| 06:26.14 | peterS | no it's not |
| 06:26.15 | Dewi | not swedish |
| 06:26.15 | cheal | Dewi: I'm sure you can help them |
| 06:26.18 | peterS | it's the origin of about 6 languages |
| 06:26.27 | tuxuser19 | how to connect another pc to my pc? using gnome or command console |
| 06:26.32 | peterS | well, maybe a dozen. out of some 12000 known human languages. |
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| 06:26.44 | Marxist | trust me sometime ago those two mixed somehow |
| 06:26.45 | peterS | so maybe a tenth of one percent of all languages are derived from Latin |
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| 06:26.52 | tuxuser19 | i have connected the second pc thru crossover cable |
| 06:26.54 | Dewi | I wouldn't call it the origin of english. Merely a strong influence. |
| 06:26.55 | paivakil | tuxuser19: networking-HOWTO |
| 06:27.03 | dvsdude | tuxuser19, ssh |
| 06:27.07 | BlatioS | but my english is not good :P |
| 06:28.11 | peterS | Dewi: correct. and only a very weak influence on germanic languages such as sv, which is what we were really talking about (: |
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| 06:28.16 | BlatioS | i can't write english, i can speak :D, i can write as it sounds :D |
| 06:28.32 | Marxist | PeterS, you claimed that he was speaking of his girlfriend, but he clearly contradicted you before you said that |
| 06:28.48 | peterS | Marxist: and you said he was speaking Latin when he was clearly speaking English. who's the bigger fool? |
| 06:28.57 | dvsdude | BlatioS, i can't read danish but speak swedish looks similar to danish |
| 06:29.20 | bird | how to install rpm with debian?? |
| 06:29.29 | dvsdude | bird: alian |
| 06:29.32 | dvsdude | bird: alien |
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| 06:29.44 | Marxist | my point is that latin is similar to most languages, and that's a fact. he was speaking sweedish |
| 06:29.46 | paivakil | bird: use alien to convert the rpm |
| 06:29.48 | BlatioS | dvsdude ooo i se, hehe, danish dosnt use åäö :D |
| 06:29.52 | Tuipveus | apt-get install rpm ;) |
| 06:29.53 | Marxist | so who's the real fool |
| 06:30.06 | Marxist | BlatiOS even said it himself |
| 06:30.07 | Dewi | Marxist: that is a completely bereft argument. Swedish has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with latin. |
| 06:30.12 | dvsdude | BlatioS, well there u go learn something new everday |
| 06:30.24 | peterS | Marxist: it's not *that* similar. I'd say Swedish is more similar to English than to Latin |
| 06:30.27 | tuxuser19 | what is the command to find IP address of a pc? |
| 06:30.29 | Marxist | then how was interpretation somewhat accurate |
| 06:30.33 | bird | alien is a software?? |
| 06:30.45 | peterS | bird: yes, it's a package. install that. then use it to install rpms |
| 06:30.52 | Dewi | Marxist: because swedish is pretty similar to english, not latin |
| 06:31.06 | peterS | tuxuser19: of your own PC? '/sbin/ifconfig'. of someone else's PC? depends on what information you have to go by |
| 06:31.12 | Marxist | and english is not similar to latin? |
| 06:31.14 | bird | thank you very much! |
| 06:31.17 | Marxist | ofcourse it is |
| 06:31.27 | Marxist | most of the words are derived from latin |
| 06:31.50 | TwistedEmotions | wow.. im watching The Exorcism of Emily Rose of whatever.. this shit is fuqed up scary... |
| 06:31.51 | peterS | Marxist: the point is, en <-> sv is more similar than sv <-> la or en <-> la. so where on earth does latin come into this? |
| 06:32.02 | Dewi | english is influenced by latin, but was originally germanic like I believe swedish is |
| 06:32.17 | Marxist | look up any scientic word in the english dictionary and look at the origin, it will say latin 50% of the time |
| 06:32.33 | Dewi | Marxist: yes, but people don't use science terms all day do they? |
| 06:32.47 | Marxist | yeah they do |
| 06:32.49 | Marxist | all the time |
| 06:32.58 | peterS | Marxist: dude, you're outmatched. quit while you're behind. |
| 06:33.05 | loxley_ | ffs join #latin |
| 06:33.07 | peterS | Marxist: I don't know what you think you know about languages, but it seems several of us know more |
| 06:33.29 | Marxist | and not just scientific, but pretty much any word |
| 06:33.37 | loxley_ | both of you.. |
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| 06:34.00 | mely | i mely |
| 06:34.11 | francis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.23 | mely | bird: i mely |
| 06:34.23 | peterS | Marxist: I'll say it using small words so you can understand. Swedish. Has. Very. Little. To. Do. With. Latin. Swedish. Is. More. Similar. To. English. Why. Did. You. Mention. Latin. At. All? |
| 06:34.25 | Marxist | peterS, I just translated the words correctly and you come with your misinformation, stating that he was speaking english when it was sweedish |
| 06:34.34 | francis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:34.41 | bird | mely:i known |
| 06:34.50 | Dewi | Marxist: no, all the basic words in english are germanic. |
| 06:34.52 | Marxist | And i'll say this slowly also, most words from english come from latin |
| 06:35.12 | Dewi | it's only the sophisticated upper class medical/legal/scientific stuff that is dominated by latin influence |
| 06:35.13 | peterS | Marxist: WTF. why did you mention Latin? What on earth does Latin have to do with Swedish? |
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| 06:35.27 | francis | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:36.18 | cheal | francis: //msg dpkg nvidia, without the space at the start |
| 06:36.19 | BlatioS | haha, swedish is pretty hard to learn, |
| 06:36.23 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, lately, I've been doing upgrades, and apt's been complaining about something related to GPG |
| 06:36.27 | Marxist | alright you're ignorant, no point in discussing this with a stubborn fool |
| 06:36.29 | francis | /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:36.31 | cheal | francis: I mean the slash |
| 06:36.43 | bob2 | Marxist: please? |
| 06:36.46 | JosephSpiros | I've fixed it by /installing/ GPG, but I'm just curious, why would apt only start complaining now? |
| 06:36.47 | cheal | francis: you start by "/m" |
| 06:36.50 | johnny_nubie | anyone know where I can get a template for an xml file to use with dvdauthor? |
| 06:36.55 | bob2 | the stupidity of this discussion annoys me |
| 06:36.58 | JosephSpiros | (I use etch) |
| 06:36.59 | bob2 | JosephSpiros: /topic |
| 06:37.03 | francis | msg dpkg nvidia |
| 06:37.10 | bob2 | JosephSpiros: (the versoin of apt with that only recentely entered etch) |
| 06:37.12 | peterS | Marxist: who is ignorant? hmmmm. <Marxist> my point is that latin is similar to most languages, and that's a fact. |
| 06:37.18 | Marxist | yes and most of it is coming from peterS |
| 06:37.20 | JosephSpiros | bob2: apt secure? :) |
| 06:37.21 | francis | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.24 | peterS | Marxist: that's one of the most ignorant things I've heard in a week |
| 06:37.26 | bob2 | JosephSpiros: yup |
| 06:37.32 | cheal | francis: don't your IRC client have some other way to message someone directly? |
| 06:37.37 | JosephSpiros | bob2: oh, neat, OK :-) |
| 06:37.37 | Marxist | he didn't know what he was talking about since he went off on a bitch |
| 06:37.46 | JosephSpiros | bob2: thanks! |
| 06:37.49 | cheal | francis: like, "clicking" the person |
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| 06:38.11 | peterS | Marxist: please tell me how many languages, out of the 12000 or so in the world, are actually "similar to Latin". I guess when you say "most" you mean over half, right? |
| 06:38.53 | bob2 | JosephSpiros: np |
| 06:38.58 | Marxist | most of the popular languages, english, spanish, french, etc have their origins in latin |
| 06:39.13 | Pfated | ... heh. |
| 06:39.20 | mely | heh |
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| 06:39.36 | peterS | Marxist: popular where? that's not most of the popular languages. that's some of the popular languages in western Europe. |
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| 06:39.49 | Pfated | francis: What are you trying to do? Leave out the space at the beginning of your line. |
| 06:39.59 | Marxist | and america |
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| 06:40.08 | Pfated | And that makes it the world? |
| 06:40.09 | cheal | francis: please make further tests in another channel |
| 06:40.18 | peterS | Marxist: *south*-western Europe, I should add. northern Europe, like, y'know, Sweden, has very little Latin influence in its languages |
| 06:40.28 | Marxist | now chinese is another thing, since they make up a large percentage of the world's population |
| 06:40.48 | Pfated | And Malay. Or Thai. Or, hey, Indonesian, Japanese, etc, etc. |
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| 06:41.05 | peterS | there's basically no Latin-derived languages in Asia |
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| 06:41.18 | Pfated | peterS: LIES! Me speak Eeengleesh! |
| 06:41.35 | peterS | well, Pfated speaks some form of English, yes, and I guess Vietnamese speak French, but still. |
| 06:41.45 | mike-m | !help |
| 06:41.46 | Pfated | ... Oy, what d'you mean some form? |
| 06:41.53 | Marxist | yeah but a good number of asians do speak english |
| 06:41.54 | Dewi | Marxist: the only places latin has dominance are south-western europe and south america, as far as I am aware. And it has *incluence* in the UK and north america, and australia. |
| 06:41.56 | mike-m | ah sorry :) |
| 06:41.59 | Dewi | and that's it. |
| 06:42.04 | peterS | well, sometimes Pfated talks like a pirate. I don't think pirates speak anything derived from Latin |
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| 06:42.11 | Pfated | Oy. |
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| 06:42.29 | Marxist | that's a large amount |
| 06:42.37 | Pfated | Ye'll be taking the plank for that, matey. |
| 06:42.53 | Dewi | Marxist: "large" by what measure? |
| 06:43.01 | peterS | Marxist: so when you say Latin is related to "most languages", you really mean Latin influenced the languages spoken by "most white people" |
| 06:43.09 | Dewi | Marxist: it has nothing to do with sweden anyway |
| 06:43.13 | Marxist | popularity, and usage |
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| 06:43.41 | Marxist | i don't understand the term white people |
| 06:43.45 | Dewi | it's possible to speak virtually latin-free english if you really care about doing so |
| 06:43.51 | Pfated | Heh, popularity. It's like high school all over again. 'HEY, people don't like that one! It doesn't exist!' |
| 06:43.54 | Dewi | tolkien was something of a champion of this cause, if I remember corectly |
| 06:44.00 | peterS | yeah, just speak it as it was spoken 800 years ago |
| 06:44.05 | Marxist | please do so dewl, it would be very hard |
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| 06:44.27 | peterS | Marxist: that last sentence of yours only had one Latin-derived word in it, "please" |
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| 06:44.45 | Pfated | Man, where's scarynetworkguy when you need him. |
| 06:44.50 | peterS | Marxist: that's out of 8 words not counting "dewl" |
| 06:44.57 | Dewi | dewi is gaelic :) |
| 06:44.58 | peterS | what was your point again? |
| 06:45.02 | Dewi | so no latin there |
| 06:45.14 | peterS | Dewi: well, it's a proper noun, I wouldn't have counted it either way |
| 06:45.18 | Pfated | Gaelic? Heh. I know Indians named Dewi. :) |
| 06:45.32 | Dewi | this name occurs in many languages. |
| 06:45.33 | Pfated | Independent coevolution of languages, perhaps? |
| 06:45.34 | Marxist | now try and speak with sophistication |
| 06:45.44 | Dewi | Marxist: fuck sophistication |
| 06:45.48 | Marxist | there is where you'll get stuck |
| 06:45.50 | Dewi | now "fuck", there's a fine non-latin word |
| 06:45.58 | Pfated | Ah, 'fuck'. Fucking fine word. |
| 06:46.16 | bob2 | this does sound kinda pointless |
| 06:46.23 | Pfated | Fuck yes. *flee* |
| 06:46.23 | Marxist | yeah fuck, scientific terms |
| 06:46.26 | peterS | Marxist: "there is where you'll get stuck". expanding "you'll" to "you will", we have 7 words. 0 of them are Latin-derived. |
| 06:46.31 | peterS | Marxist: you're doing great there, keep it up |
| 06:46.37 | Dewi | bob2: I have perverse pleasures. |
| 06:46.43 | Dewi | bob2: and debian administration is only one of them |
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| 06:46.48 | Pfated | Dewi: *fnarr* |
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| 06:47.13 | scanwinder | how do i search for a file? |
| 06:47.32 | bob2 | scanwinder: by name or contents? |
| 06:47.34 | Lanix | apt-cache search <file> |
| 06:47.35 | Pfated | scanwinder: updatedb; locate <filename> |
| 06:47.35 | peterS | scanwinder: using the somewhat cryptic 'find' command, normally. but what sort of file are you looking for? |
| 06:47.38 | scanwinder | name |
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| 06:47.55 | Pfated | 'find' confuzzles me. |
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| 06:48.00 | scanwinder | a deb file(i know its somewhere i just dunno where) |
| 06:48.01 | peterS | it's a confuzzling command |
| 06:48.11 | Pfated | So it would seem. |
| 06:48.13 | peterS | 'confuzzle', btw, is probably Latin-derived |
| 06:48.17 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 06:48.21 | Lanix | a frend of mine installd debian stable , and has a 3dlab video card , is there any way to make it work ? |
| 06:48.28 | Marxist | yeah the word con is |
| 06:48.36 | Dewi | con is not a word |
| 06:48.41 | peterS | Lanix: 3DLabs has made many kinds of video cards. what kind has he or she got? |
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| 06:48.56 | peterS | Dewi: sure it is, means "disadvantage" |
| 06:49.00 | Marxist | it is derived from latin |
| 06:49.14 | Marxist | meaning together |
| 06:49.15 | Dewi | peterS: is that the word he was referring to? |
| 06:49.32 | Dewi | peterS: I'm not sure either way actually |
| 06:49.34 | peterS | Dewi: nope. he's referring to a prefix, not a word. but 'con' *is* a word. |
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| 06:50.02 | peterS | Dewi: as usual he's a bit ... factually challenged. this time he was right pretty much by accident |
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| 06:50.13 | Pfated | Isn't 'con' like... 'trick, bluff, cheat'? |
| 06:50.24 | peterS | Pfated: that too |
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| 06:50.30 | Pfated | Yeh. |
| 06:50.30 | Lanix | he sayd Oxigen ? |
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| 06:50.55 | peterS | Lanix: I *think* the Oxygen cards are supported, but it may be only some of them. let me have a quick look |
| 06:51.08 | Pfated | And out of six possible definitions of con, there's one Latin derivation. I mean, come on. |
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| 06:51.37 | scanwinder | ah i worked out howto find - like the way i want it to work "find | grep fileurlookingfor" |
| 06:51.42 | Pfated | Coo, 'con' can also mean 'to learn by heart'. Gosh, I like this. |
| 06:51.44 | usn_work | hi folx |
| 06:52.20 | peterS | Pfated: I don't know that meaning. that sense, to me, sounds either germanic or celtic |
| 06:52.25 | pitillo | anyone working with snort? is it posible to install it in a machine with 2 cards working like a router making NAT or i need another card to work like IDS? |
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| 06:52.47 | jm_ | pitillo: why wouldn't it be possible? |
| 06:52.47 | Pfated | peterS: It's archaic, it says here, but it's fascinating. And certainly the ability to say 'I conned my books' in future will be nice. :) |
| 06:52.50 | Dewi | peterS: it does sound a lot like "ken" |
| 06:52.51 | Bac9 | what's the dpkg target to reconfigure to regenerate locales? |
| 06:53.00 | Pfated | locale, I think. |
| 06:53.03 | peterS | Dewi: yeah. ken is celtic-derived, is it not? |
| 06:53.08 | Dewi | peterS: think so |
| 06:53.12 | jm_ | the package name is locales |
| 06:53.19 | Pfated | Isn't 'ken' just something you say on TLAPD? |
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| 06:53.20 | Pfated | :) |
| 06:53.36 | Bac9 | Pfated: dpkg-reconfigure says it's not installed |
| 06:53.42 | pitillo | jm_ because i see that snort put the card in promiscued mode and i dont know if it put it in that mode i can use it normally |
| 06:53.45 | Pfated | Bac9: Eh, my fault. jm_ was right, it's locales. |
| 06:53.53 | jm_ | pitillo: sure you can |
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| 06:54.19 | Bac9 | Pfated: also not installed, but when it was updating libc6 it asked to generate them |
| 06:54.26 | Dewi | peterS: all that word counting has got me wanted to analyse LOTR and see how latin-free tolkien's language really was :) |
| 06:54.29 | pitillo | jm_, ok thanks, i try it |
| 06:54.35 | Dewi | s/wanted/wanting/ |
| 06:54.43 | Pfated | Bac9: Eh, I've not futzed with it. |
| 06:54.43 | Dewi | peterS: anyway I have bugs to fix. See you later. |
| 06:54.50 | peterS | Lanix: yeah, it seems the X driver known as "glint" supports at least some Oxygen cards, like the Oxygen GVX1 and VX1 |
| 06:54.56 | peterS | Dewi: hehe |
| 06:55.17 | peterS | Lanix: but I don't have that hardware, so I can't really be sure |
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| 06:55.19 | Lanix | but i dont think thats on the list ? |
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| 06:55.59 | peterS | Lanix: at least some of the Oxygen cards have a 3DLabs Permedia II chip on them, and that's supported by the glint driver |
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| 06:56.31 | Lanix | so , what shud he do get it with apt or download from web ? |
| 06:56.38 | peterS | Lanix: the 3DLabs Wildcat series of chips, on the other hand, are *not* supported by Debian. 3DLabs does have a Linux driver you can download but I was never able to get it to work |
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| 06:56.56 | peterS | Lanix: just install X normally, and pick the 'glint' driver if and when asked |
| 06:57.05 | jm_ | at least they have good names for the chips if the cards themselves don't sell well :) |
| 06:57.15 | Lanix | he did just that |
| 06:57.37 | Lanix | he can run dpkg-reconfigure right ? |
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| 06:57.45 | peterS | Lanix: sure |
| 06:57.48 | Lanix | and select it from there |
| 06:57.49 | Lanix | ok |
| 06:57.52 | Lanix | i tell hem |
| 06:57.54 | peterS | Lanix: if that doesn't work, you're stuck with VESA mode. you can probably use the vesa driver but it's very crippled, not at all what you paid all that money for (3DLabs don't sell cheap cards) |
| 06:57.56 | Lanix | thanks peter |
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| 06:59.51 | peterS | so, I can think of 8 languages derived from Latin, counting English which was only partially so, and not counting Old French or Old Provençal, because those are dead languages. I wonder how many of these 8 our friend can name |
| 06:59.57 | Marxist | PeterS, 3DLabs Doesn't sell cheap cards |
| 07:00.10 | Marxist | Don't is incorrect |
| 07:00.32 | jm_ | haha |
| 07:00.34 | peterS | Marxist: where is it incorrect? I mean geographically |
| 07:01.00 | peterS | Marxist: that's a legitimate question. this is a point where usage differs between the US and the UK, for example |
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| 07:01.13 | Marxist | grammatically incorrect |
| 07:01.38 | peterS | Marxist: grammatically incorrect *where*? this is an honest question. can you tell me where it is considered correct and where it is not? |
| 07:01.55 | Pfated | Well, 3dLabS, isn't it? The COMPANY doesn't sell cheap cards, but the LABS don't. :) |
| 07:02.08 | Pfated | Yay, companies with ambiguous names. :) |
| 07:02.24 | Marxist | you cannot use Don't you had to use Doesn't, any third grader would know that |
| 07:02.41 | peterS | it's not about the name being plural. it's about a usage rule which Marxist incorrectly believes is universal |
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| 07:03.18 | Marxist | why can't you admit you were wrong |
| 07:03.20 | peterS | I bet he can't name the 8 languages either |
| 07:03.23 | peterS | Marxist: can you? |
| 07:03.26 | Marxist | and still are |
| 07:03.38 | peterS | Marxist: name 8 languages, including English, derived partly or wholly from Latin |
| 07:03.46 | Pfated | 'you cannot use don't you had to use doesn't', awww, come on, he's a twit. :) Who can't punctuate either. |
| 07:03.47 | Marxist | spanish |
| 07:03.55 | Marxist | french |
| 07:04.03 | peterS | there's two. keep going. more than one per line or we'll be here all night |
| 07:04.10 | Marxist | russian |
| 07:04.12 | peterS | I gave you English, so it's three |
| 07:04.14 | peterS | no, Russian isn't |
| 07:04.16 | cheal | hah, russian |
| 07:04.20 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 07:04.31 | cheal | aztec... |
| 07:04.35 | peterS | heh |
| 07:04.37 | Marxist | i can listen to people speak russian and still pick up what their saying |
| 07:04.39 | Pfated | Nono, that's Mayan, dear. :) |
| 07:04.45 | Marxist | ti means you in russian |
| 07:04.50 | Marxist | clearly latin |
| 07:04.53 | cheal | Pfated: oh, *sorry* ;) |
| 07:04.58 | Pfated | ... based on ONE word? WTF? |
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| 07:05.15 | peterS | Marxist: Russian is not derived from Latin. Sorry. there is another explanation for the similarities you will find. |
| 07:05.20 | Pfated | Dude. Point. Languages bastardise like nobody's business. |
| 07:05.26 | Marxist | i don't know enough russian to compare |
| 07:05.47 | Marxist | but i can somehow tell more or less what people sometimes say in russian |
| 07:05.50 | Pfated | A word, or two, from another language, DOES NOT mean that language x was derived from Latin. |
| 07:06.01 | Pfated | cheal: Heh. |
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| 07:06.25 | Marxist | but my ability to understand parts of it when it is spoken is |
| 07:06.54 | Pfated | ... wtf. I give in, I really do. You're too stupid to have fun arguing with. Oy, peterS, arrr there! |
| 07:07.19 | cheal | can we help a bit? portuguese? |
| 07:07.28 | Marxist | what is stupid about what I'm saying |
| 07:07.30 | peterS | cheal: there's four. I'm thinking of four more |
| 07:07.53 | peterS | cheal: and I'm sure there are a few I don't know about, so you might come up with more than 8 by the time you're done |
| 07:07.53 | Marxist | italian |
| 07:08.06 | cheal | Marxist: way to go |
| 07:08.11 | Pfated | Nyet, it's not WHAT you're saying, it's how you're saying it. |
| 07:08.12 | peterS | Marxist: ding ding. that's the one most closely related to Latin. unsurprisingly, since it's in the same geographical area |
| 07:08.45 | Pfated | Swiss! |
| 07:08.49 | Pfated | *skips away* |
| 07:09.07 | Marxist | spanish, italian, french, are closely related i thought you would have had a clue already |
| 07:09.14 | peterS | Pfated: uh. one of the languages I'm thinking of is primarily spoken in switzerland.... |
| 07:09.20 | Pfated | GERMAN! |
| 07:09.26 | Marxist | well so far i named 6, but it would be too hard to name two more. |
| 07:09.39 | peterS | Marxist: which 6? Russian doesn't count. |
| 07:09.41 | Pfated | peterS: Yeh, I was thinking of Switzerland too, but it would have been far too obvious, no? :) |
| 07:09.57 | cheal | so there are under 10 languages |
| 07:10.03 | peterS | Marxist: dude. Italian is more closely related to Latin than French is. I actually know this because I've studied all three. have you? |
| 07:10.03 | Marxist | it counts to a certain degree |
| 07:10.24 | Dewi | oh, clearly I shouldn't have changed to this window |
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| 07:10.36 | peterS | cheal: don't believe wikipedia. it's no way to settle an argument. it often has good information but you can never be sure. |
| 07:10.37 | Pfated | Indeed, continue on with work. |
| 07:10.40 | Marxist | if you can speak italian you can know what people are saying in french 50 percent of the time |
| 07:10.44 | Marxist | if not more |
| 07:10.46 | jm_ | peterS: what's your job if you don't mind me asking? |
| 07:10.53 | Marxist | if you speak spanish |
| 07:11.02 | peterS | jm_: freelance computer stuff, mainly. not much at present |
| 07:11.11 | Pfated | peterS: Ooh, lucky lucky you. |
| 07:11.13 | peterS | Marxist: how many of these languages have you studied, then? |
| 07:11.20 | pitillo | go to #language-speaking |
| 07:11.21 | pitillo | xD |
| 07:11.34 | jm_ | peterS: ahh so not related to your studies |
| 07:11.40 | cheal | wait a minute, isn't there an exponent missing? |
| 07:11.50 | peterS | jm_: not a bit related. I enjoy these languages, they're not at all useful to me |
| 07:11.55 | Marxist | spanish, english of course and a little bit of french |
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| 07:12.25 | Pfated | You haven't studied english. You can't even tell between their and they're! |
| 07:12.30 | Marxist | my latin is not perfect yet, nor will it ever be |
| 07:12.37 | Pfated | Or you don't care about the difference, but that's worse. |
| 07:12.40 | Dewi | Marxist: if you pick up words here and there in another language because of your english background, it;'s more likely to be a germanic language than a latin one |
| 07:12.41 | Marxist | no i know the difference |
| 07:12.41 | peterS | no, I don't suppose it will |
| 07:12.49 | Dewi | Marxist: because the simple, easy to spot words in english are germanic, not latin |
| 07:12.53 | Marxist | they're and their(possesive) |
| 07:13.16 | Pfated | Yet you can't use them correctly. |
| 07:13.24 | peterS | if you can be a pedant about an incorrect point of grammar, I can be a pedant about spelling. "possessive", two double esses. |
| 07:13.25 | Marxist | i know the difference, but with very little sleep I get those two confused |
| 07:13.45 | Pfated | Which means you don't know the difference very well, do you. |
| 07:13.49 | peterS | and as far as I know, the spelling of "possessive" is *not* different in different parts of the world, like the thing you tried to tell me about |
| 07:13.49 | Marxist | it's a matter of fatigue not intelligence |
| 07:13.52 | Marxist | i assure you |
| 07:14.15 | Pfated | I doubt so. Someone intelligent would fuck off to bed and leave the channel in peace. |
| 07:14.25 | Pfated | Mm, fuck, there's that word again. |
| 07:14.26 | peterS | Pfated: guess that rules all of us out :/ |
| 07:14.35 | cheal | hehehe |
| 07:14.36 | Dewi | except me |
| 07:14.38 | Dewi | but I came back. Damn |
| 07:14.40 | Pfated | peterS: Nah. |
| 07:14.50 | Pfated | Ha! I win! I'm online in the AFTERNOON! |
| 07:14.57 | Pfated | :) |
| 07:14.57 | Marxist | i have too much to read, but i thank you for your concern |
| 07:15.00 | shay | I'm always online, I win. |
| 07:15.00 | Dewi | .... well yeah I'm in australia too |
| 07:15.07 | Pfated | Yeh, exactly. |
| 07:15.13 | Dewi | but I am pretty sleepy due to bugfixes, Pfated |
| 07:15.20 | Pfated | Marxist: It's not so much concern as a wish for you to bugger off, dear. |
| 07:15.29 | Pfated | Dewi: Poor thing. Off you go, then. :) |
| 07:15.36 | peterS | Marxist: here's a trick question for you. from where did we get the word 'television'? |
| 07:15.48 | peterS | don't anyone spoil it for him.. |
| 07:15.58 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 07:16.35 | peterS | obviously the ancients did not have TV, but we did borrow the word from previous tongues |
| 07:17.01 | Marxist | greek |
| 07:17.03 | Marxist | french |
| 07:17.14 | Marxist | tele means far |
| 07:17.21 | peterS | close. Greek and Latin. |
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| 07:17.23 | Marxist | from greek |
| 07:17.42 | peterS | tele 'far' (Greek), videre 'to see' (Latin) |
| 07:17.47 | Marxist | vision ofcourse is latin |
| 07:17.55 | Marxist | yes what's your damn point |
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| 07:18.14 | iluciv | Hi the command to reset the Xserver is it dpkg-reconfigure --xserver ?? |
| 07:18.16 | peterS | point? no point |
| 07:18.25 | peterS | iluciv: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:18.34 | Pfated | Or xserver-xorg. |
| 07:18.39 | iluciv | or -xorg |
| 07:18.40 | Dewi | peterS: he did okay. Almost all our latin comes from french |
| 07:18.42 | cheal | Marxist: only 5 more minutes and we reach the hour. where does "fuck" come from? |
| 07:18.43 | xsquared | hi, i am having some problems with something i don't know lol. Can i paste the output into #flood and someone have a look at it? |
| 07:18.47 | iluciv | lol ok thanks |
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| 07:19.09 | streuner | xsquared: /msg dpkg paster |
| 07:19.20 | Marxist | can you bug off now, i wasn't even looking for an argument until you decided to waste your time and intrude into my dialogue with the swedish man or woman who came in asking a question |
| 07:19.20 | iluciv | will this work if I change card typs ie nvidia-->ati |
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| 07:19.31 | cheal | Marxist: no problem :) |
| 07:19.47 | peterS | Marxist: dude, you came around trying to show off that you had studied some Latin, I called you on some rather silly things you said about it. that's all |
| 07:19.54 | cheal | iluciv: if you have nothing else to do |
| 07:20.03 | Marxist | pseudo-Latin |
| 07:20.04 | tarzeau | how could i detect in c that /dev/dsp is already in use? |
| 07:20.05 | peterS | the rest was just a one-sided battle of wits |
| 07:20.21 | peterS | tarzeau: I guess lsof? |
| 07:20.39 | Marxist | now stop all this intellectual inquisition |
| 07:20.44 | iluciv | cheal: :) ? |
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| 07:20.48 | peterS | 'Debian' sounds kind of Latin-derived, but it ain't |
| 07:20.58 | xsquared | http://channels.debian.net/paste/996 |
| 07:20.59 | Pfated | Heh. |
| 07:21.04 | cheal | iluciv: if you want ATI proprietary drivers, that won't be enough |
| 07:21.19 | xsquared | can someone look at that bugger |
| 07:21.51 | cheal | xsquared: please explain what problem you have, otherwise it's not quite interesting to look |
| 07:21.53 | iluciv | cheal: oh yeah but I think my nvida card has finially died and the only other card I have is an ati one ; |
| 07:22.01 | peterS | cheal: he gave us a paster URL, check it |
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| 07:22.34 | peterS | xsquared: you might have hit the bad pam upload from a few days ago. I don't know what that did to one's system, since I didn't install it. you should be able to upgrade pam |
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| 07:23.15 | xsquared | cheal: i didn't have any fucking idea what the output was, excuse my anger. |
| 07:23.28 | streuner | xsquared: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 07:23.50 | cheal | xsquared: ? just saying "su gives warnings" would be fine |
| 07:23.57 | xsquared | 500 http://ftp.debian.org testing/main Packages |
| 07:24.03 | xsquared | ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 07:25.35 | streuner | xsquared: can you read german? :-) |
| 07:25.40 | xsquared | no lol |
| 07:25.50 | xsquared | why? |
| 07:26.08 | cheal | xsquared: your /etc/login.defs may be helpful |
| 07:26.14 | streuner | xsquared: ok :-), did you look at the BTS ? |
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| 07:26.33 | peterS | so hmmm. I distrust, by instinct, any consumer electronics with "easy" in the name. like the Kodak EasyShare line of cameras |
| 07:26.38 | peterS | am I wrong? |
| 07:26.45 | streuner | xsquared: uncommend that in login.defs |
| 07:26.52 | xsquared | ok |
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| 07:27.19 | streuner | that's a dirty hack (TM) |
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| 07:27.58 | xsquared | does that mean its a bad thing? ;P |
| 07:28.13 | streuner | well, this article was from 10/13/2005 |
| 07:30.13 | xsquared | i am running testing |
| 07:30.22 | streuner | i know |
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| 07:30.57 | streuner | you should just visit BTS too, there are sometimes advices how to fix.. |
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| 07:31.32 | xsquared | streuner: thanks for your help |
| 07:31.40 | xsquared | cheal: thank you too |
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| 07:32.43 | Eclipser | umh |
| 07:32.54 | Eclipser | is there a program called base64-decode in any debian package? |
| 07:33.12 | peterS | Eclipser: dunno if there's one *called* that. there are about 3 or 4 implementations of base64 decoding in debian |
| 07:33.19 | peterS | Eclipser: for example, the 'mime-codecs' package |
| 07:33.19 | streuner | !find base64-decode |
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| 07:34.18 | jm_ | uudeview can handle bas64 |
| 07:34.22 | jm_ | base64 even |
| 07:35.01 | Eclipser | jm_, it's this script that needs a command base64-decode, I found it already though :p |
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| 07:35.21 | GmLB | The debian minimal CD installer is haulting at "installing base system." It just dies. I've tried configuring a network mirror, it downloads the release list (so i know its connected to the net), but it still refuses to "install base system." Any suggestions as to what i'm doing wrong? |
| 07:35.40 | Eclipser | hahaha |
| 07:35.41 | jm_ | GmLB: check on other consoles to see what is going on |
| 07:35.45 | Eclipser | funny script |
| 07:35.50 | GmLB | jm_, What am I to check? |
| 07:35.57 | GmLB | jm_, Ifconfig shows I have an UP |
| 07:35.58 | GmLB | IP* |
| 07:36.00 | xerophyte | What is the good software to draw network diagrams GUI ? |
| 07:36.14 | jm_ | GmLB: well hard to say with so little info, just check them all to see if any errors pop up |
| 07:36.22 | jm_ | xerophyte: try dia or xfig |
| 07:36.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'base64-decode' (2): (/usr/bin/base64-decode) in utils/mime-codecs ;; (/usr/share/doc/phpdoc/html/{function.base64-decode.html|function.cybercash-base64-decode.html}) in non-free/doc/phpdoc. |
| 07:36.52 | scanwinder | ive a got a wireless card (ath0) and ive given it the essid, the channel and they key...................how do i get it to connect to the acces point? |
| 07:37.02 | Dewi | GmLB: which minimal system CD installer? from sarge or what? |
| 07:37.29 | Eclipser | it prints out decss if one gives it a certain picture of one of our ministers (who managed to get our new copyright law through) in standard input |
| 07:37.31 | GmLB | Dewi, sarge |
| 07:37.45 | GmLB | jm_, I think i see- the /target filesystem is ro |
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| 07:37.54 | GmLB | jm_, why would the installer not mount it rw? |
| 07:38.26 | cheal | scanwinder: would it be a RT2500? ifconfig ath0 up? |
| 07:38.58 | scanwinder | cheal: wahts RT2500? |
| 07:39.01 | jm_ | GmLB: beats me, I only used it once and it worked fine for me - any disk errors that would cause it to remount it ro? |
| 07:39.05 | Dewi | GmLB: look in logs for "rw mount failed, mounting ro" or something like that? |
| 07:39.26 | cheal | scanwinder: it's a Ralkin wireless chipset. anyway, that's not important |
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| 07:39.37 | cheal | s/Ralkin/Ralink |
| 07:39.57 | scanwinder | cheal: ifconfig ath0 up didnt do it..........i installed pump and, thats working |
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| 07:40.44 | cheal | scanwinder: ah, ok |
| 07:40.44 | mely | whats alien |
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| 07:40.49 | cheal | !alien |
| 07:40.49 | dpkg | alien is probably a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
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| 07:44.32 | GmLB | Dewi, Interesting... i saw read errors on the /dev/hdc, which I guess is my cd drive |
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| 07:46.37 | GmLB | Dewi, I'm not convinced this cd drive is fully functional |
| 07:47.12 | jm_ | GmLB: hmm it shouldn't remount your target ro if hdc had read errors |
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| 07:47.39 | GmLB | jm_, true. I have a feeling this system may have bigger problems |
| 07:48.46 | GmLB | jm_, I'm gunna do some poking around. Thanks for the suggestions- I didn't even think the target volume would be the cause of it- I figured it had a problem finding the location its going to install the base FROM |
| 07:48.54 | HPS`Fresh | men :) to day is a birthday of one great man. |
| 07:49.24 | HPS`Fresh | by his hands we are using linux |
| 07:49.45 | HPS`Fresh | Mr.gates to day get a 50! :) |
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| 07:55.23 | scanwinder | is there a repository with libpng in it? |
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| 07:55.39 | peterS | scanwinder: *which* libpng? there are a few different versions floating around |
| 07:55.53 | peterS | scanwinder: debian has libpng2, libpng10, libpng12, I believe |
| 07:56.02 | tchino | in which package is the viewer xv |
| 07:56.13 | peterS | tchino: xv is not free software, so debian doesn't carry it |
| 07:56.13 | scanwinder | peterS: whatever on i need for links through framebuffer |
| 07:56.28 | scanwinder | peterS: oops typo, *one |
| 07:56.50 | peterS | scanwinder: the debian packaging of links doesn't include framebuffer support already? try both 'links' and 'links2' |
| 07:57.15 | scanwinder | peterS: ok |
| 07:57.28 | tarzeau | peterS: yes it does |
| 07:57.35 | tarzeau | scanwinder: it's in links2 |
| 07:57.41 | tarzeau | scanwinder: on what hardware? i386 or something else? |
| 07:57.41 | scanwinder | ok thanks |
| 07:57.44 | peterS | tchino: john bradley (author of xv) released it as shareware - source is available but you are expected to pay for it if you use it outside specific settings |
| 07:57.59 | tarzeau | scanwinder: there's a new version of libfbstuff waiting i think, ask braindmg |
| 07:58.15 | tarzeau | tchino: try feh |
| 07:58.23 | peterS | debian used to carry xv in the non-free archive, many years ago, but this was removed for reasons I cannot remember |
| 07:58.35 | scanwinder | tarzeau: i didnt actually try the ones in the repositories already - i thought it wasent in them - im apt-getting links2 at the moment |
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| 07:58.38 | tarzeau | if someone wants xv, i've got a package of it here |
| 07:58.39 | lxIT | hello |
| 07:58.50 | tarzeau | scanwinder: cool, also get popularity-contest |
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| 07:58.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:58.52 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 07:59.03 | scanwinder | tarzeau: whats that? |
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| 07:59.16 | lxIT | can you update a package using dpkg? it isn't in the --help |
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| 07:59.34 | tarzeau | scanwinder: check the url above |
| 07:59.45 | tarzeau | lxIT: yes, dpkg -i package.deb |
| 07:59.53 | tarzeau | lxIT: but don't use that, just do apt-get install package |
| 08:00.04 | peterS | lxIT: unlike rpm, dpkg makes no distinction between the 'install' and 'upgrade' commands |
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| 08:00.21 | peterS | this is a very annoying "feature" of rpm, IMHO. |
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| 08:00.41 | lxIT | tarzeau: but the package isn't in the rep |
| 08:01.02 | lxIT | tarzeau & peterS: thanks |
| 08:01.06 | tarzeau | lxIT: which package is it? |
| 08:01.29 | tarzeau | peterS: rpm does that? must suck to check everytime if you are updatingor installing a package... |
| 08:01.32 | lxIT | tarzeau: skype |
| 08:02.08 | lxIT | but I do a apt-cache search and now he finds it (I suppose it is because I installed it before using a deb-package) |
| 08:02.17 | peterS | tarzeau: it is because rpm allows you to have multiple versions of the same package name installed at once ... if all the versions don't have any overlapping filenames |
| 08:02.30 | peterS | tarzeau: thus "install" means "install this version but do not remove the version you already have" |
| 08:02.58 | peterS | tarzeau: that's the rpm world's way of doing multiple library versions. the dpkg way, of course, is to have the library packages named different things |
| 08:02.58 | Dewi | peterS: powerful, yet useless. |
| 08:03.20 | tarzeau | peterS: horrible |
| 08:03.29 | peterS | tarzeau: yes. |
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| 08:04.35 | lxIT | peterS: Oke, learnt something new today ;) |
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| 08:07.37 | peterS | cheal: still there? the three Latin-derived languages I can think of that nobody mentioned are: Catalan, Occitan and Romansch |
| 08:08.10 | Dewi | aah, romacnsh, of course |
| 08:08.14 | Dewi | the only language up-front about its origins :) |
| 08:08.24 | peterS | cheal: (the other five being Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, French, English) |
| 08:08.25 | Dewi | god my typing sucks on a laggy link |
| 08:08.43 | peterS | Dewi: well, "Italian" has a pretty big geographical hint about its origin |
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| 08:10.15 | peterS | Dewi: Romansch, from what I understand, is another Latin/Germanic hybrid, like English, only different. I don't actually know much about it |
| 08:10.28 | Dewi | I wonder why popularity contest is only the 34th most popular package in the popularity contest :P |
| 08:11.04 | peterS | Dewi: depends on how you count it, I guess. popcon has the ability to rank packages you have installed, according to how recently you have used them |
| 08:11.11 | Dewi | I guess 9 people are rolling their own popularity contest |
| 08:11.58 | lxIT | another question: when I click a link in a prog it will open in Konqueror and that opens a Firefox window. Is it possible to open the link directly in FF? |
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| 08:13.37 | tarzeau | !seen pryzby |
| 08:13.38 | dpkg | tarzeau: i haven't seen 'pryzby' |
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| 08:14.23 | tarzeau | Dewi: why 9? i see 7 with 1.29.99.jones.1 |
| 08:14.26 | cronik | hi everyone |
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| 08:15.07 | cronik | i wanna know how i can make a wireless work in ubuntu |
| 08:15.16 | cronik | can anyone help? |
| 08:15.17 | peterS | tarzeau: he's wondering why only 8005 machines have popularity-contest installed out of 8016 machines reporting |
| 08:15.18 | scanwinder | i just installed links2 and, im no pictures are showing, how do i get them to show in it? |
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| 08:15.28 | peterS | tarzeau: what program are the other 11 machines using to report their stats? |
| 08:15.36 | jm_ | bob2: flood? |
| 08:15.50 | bob2 | jm_: that's the default reason for this script |
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| 08:15.55 | jm_ | bob2: ahh heh |
| 08:16.00 | cheal | peterS: Romansch? wow, these are rare |
| 08:16.10 | scanwinder | how do i get pictures to show in links2? |
| 08:16.17 | tarzeau | scanwinder: links2 -g |
| 08:16.18 | peterS | cheal: romansch is spoken by hundreds of thousands of people, I believe. could only be tens of thousands. |
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| 08:16.24 | jm_ | links2 -g |
| 08:16.39 | peterS | cheal: you can ask tarzeau about that, it's spoken in his country |
| 08:16.45 | tarzeau | scanwinder: are you in textmode or fb mode? you can check with www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/ |
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| 08:17.13 | tarzeau | cheal: yes they are rare, www.admin.ch might have some info on it |
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| 08:17.27 | peterS | cheal: I have no idea how many people speak catalan or occitan. used to be a lot, a few hundred years ago (: |
| 08:17.34 | cheal | peterS: "It is spoken by around 50,000-70,000 people in the canton of Graubünden" |
| 08:17.40 | scanwinder | tarzeau: im in a console...........when i run links2 -g it says directfb isnt supported |
| 08:17.54 | peterS | cheal: I only know one speaker of catalan, and 0 speakers of occitan or romansch (: |
| 08:17.59 | tarzeau | romansch (here we say romantsch, rumantsch in swiss german, german it's rätoromanisch) "savur e variaziun - mintga di frestg da vies flake det" |
| 08:18.00 | scanwinder | tarzeau: do i need to setup the framebuffer stuff? - how do i? |
| 08:18.15 | tarzeau | cheal: exactly, and we've even got tv and radio in that language |
| 08:18.23 | tarzeau | scanwinder: no , you could use svgalib |
| 08:18.36 | cheal | peterS: I can think of a few FLOSS projects that were translated to ca, or at least intended to |
| 08:18.43 | jm_ | that makes sense - it's one of the official languages in .ch |
| 08:18.49 | peterS | cheal: yep. lots of free software people in barcelona |
| 08:18.49 | tarzeau | scanwinder: sid? sarge? which version of links2 which version of libdirectfb? |
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| 08:19.01 | peterS | cheal: ...at least, enough to want to translate stuff into ca (: |
| 08:19.06 | tarzeau | scanwinder: are you in console TEXTMODE or FBMODE? i posted a link to find out |
| 08:19.27 | jm_ | Discovery has some short moveis about rare languages, and Istro-Romantsch came up |
| 08:20.05 | scanwinder | tarzeau: im in sarge and links2 whatever version is in the stable repository.......and i how do i find out the version of libdirectfb? and.....how do i find out if im in textmode or fbmode? |
| 08:20.25 | tarzeau | scanwinder: dpkg -l |grep directfb |
| 08:20.41 | tarzeau | scanwinder: at www.linuks.mine.nu/people/vga/ get vgamode.c and compile it, run it |
| 08:20.46 | tarzeau | read the source, it's very easy |
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| 08:21.15 | cheal | tarzeau: hehe, 1 channel? :) I didn't there were minor languages like that in turkey |
| 08:21.20 | scanwinder | tarzeau: libdirectfv 0.9.20-5 |
| 08:21.22 | cheal | s/there/know there/ |
| 08:21.31 | scanwinder | tarzeau: i mean libdirectfb |
| 08:21.41 | tarzeau | cheal: in turkey? 1 channel? |
| 08:21.47 | tarzeau | cheal: i'm in switzerland |
| 08:21.58 | cheal | tarzeau: hum, you moved? |
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| 08:22.10 | tarzeau | cheal: i've always lived in switzerland, i was born here |
| 08:22.14 | cheal | tarzeau: I meant 1 Romansch channel |
| 08:22.30 | tuxuser19 | help needed in connecting 2 pcs |
| 08:22.30 | tarzeau | cheal: in turkey there is only turkish. there are other minor languages, but they are forbidden by the communists |
| 08:22.30 | cheal | tarzeau: huh. so you never lived in turkey? |
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| 08:22.37 | peterS | cheal: hmm, I wonder if esperanto counts as a language "derived from Latin". I didn't think of it earlier. |
| 08:22.46 | tarzeau | cheal: well i lived in turkey, yes, but never longer than 1,5 months at once |
| 08:22.57 | cheal | peterS: heh, at that count you'd reach 10 easily |
| 08:22.58 | tarzeau | cheal: yes i lived very good in turkey. i enjoyed it |
| 08:22.58 | tuxuser19 | i have 2 pcs running debian & they are connected thru a crossover cable |
| 08:23.04 | scanwinder | tarzeau: how do i compile a single C file like that - i forgot....i did know......... |
| 08:23.25 | peterS | cheal: well, earlier I mentioned Old French and Old Provençal, but said I was not counting them because they are dead languages |
| 08:23.25 | tuxuser19 | i dont know how to make the pcs talk to each other!!!!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 08:23.28 | cheal | tarzeau: ok...good to know |
| 08:23.30 | tarzeau | scanwinder: gcc -o vgamode vgamode.c |
| 08:23.35 | resiak | !tell tuxuser19 -about ep |
| 08:24.03 | peterS | cheal: so if you count those (and perhaps Middle English too), there are more than 10 Latin-derived languages |
| 08:24.05 | jm_ | tuxuser19: attach speakers and mics to both, then use festival |
| 08:24.05 | scanwinder | tarzeau: now how do i run it? |
| 08:24.12 | bob2 | tuxuser19: stop it |
| 08:24.13 | tuxuser19 | i didnt get u wat u said |
| 08:24.23 | bob2 | tuxuser19: people have tried to help you and givem up because you ignore their advice |
| 08:24.24 | tarzeau | scanwinder: ./vgamode |
| 08:24.44 | scanwinder | tarzeau: oh rite, theres a file there |
| 08:24.44 | tarzeau | scanwinder: did you look at the ohter vga*.c files? they are funny... did you read the .c files? |
| 08:25.03 | scanwinder | tarzeau: nope - will later |
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| 08:25.18 | cheal | peterS: well it's useless to argue, but all artificial languages can pretty much be considered dead too. |
| 08:25.33 | cheal | except volapuk :) |
| 08:25.58 | scanwinder | tarzeau: ok so now what do i do? |
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| 08:26.13 | scanwinder | tarzeau: its running vgamode now...... |
| 08:26.32 | peterS | cheal: yeah, that's just dancing around with definitions. you're right, though, counting esperanto is kind of like counting Old Provençal |
| 08:27.05 | peterS | cheal: also, I'm not sure how different Old Provençal is from modern Occitan. if the difference is small enough it could be considered a single language |
| 08:27.25 | tarzeau | scanwinder: what does it say? |
| 08:27.44 | []mogla[] | i like grand theft auto |
| 08:28.12 | scanwinder | tarzeau: when i run links2 -g it says directfb: not supported fb: cannot open/dev/fb0 svgalib: there is no default video mode |
| 08:28.58 | tarzeau | scanwinder: what says ./vgamode ? |
| 08:29.16 | scanwinder | tarzeau: Graphics mode: 0 |
| 08:29.19 | cheal | peterS: these discussions only remember me why I'm not a linguist :) |
| 08:29.44 | tarzeau | scanwinder: did you install svgalib-bin svgalibg1 ? |
| 08:29.52 | tarzeau | scanwinder: so you are NOT in fb/graphics mode console |
| 08:30.00 | tarzeau | scanwinder: that's good. because it's slow and sucks, looks ugly |
| 08:30.37 | tarzeau | scanwinder: you want to isntall the packages above and read /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian |
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| 08:33.56 | HPS`Fresh | don1t anybody know, how can i sppedup statring of X, using nvidia 7676 videodrivers,? |
| 08:34.06 | tarzeau | HPS`Fresh: how long does it take? |
| 08:34.22 | HPS`Fresh | some about 1 min |
| 08:34.24 | bob2 | haha |
| 08:34.28 | bob2 | yay binary drivers |
| 08:34.30 | bob2 | so FAST |
| 08:34.42 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: why are you using 7676? |
| 08:34.52 | tarzeau | ONE MINUTE? |
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| 08:35.06 | cheal | he must be running gnustep |
| 08:35.07 | tarzeau | HPS`Fresh: what computer is that? my sparc classic starts x and amiwm in one second |
| 08:35.12 | tarzeau | cheal: BULLSHIT |
| 08:35.14 | cheal | I mean KDE ;) |
| 08:35.16 | tarzeau | must be gnome or KDE |
| 08:35.22 | scanwinder | tarzeau: ive installed those packages and read that file, done what it says to do and i still get the same errors |
| 08:35.23 | tarzeau | what a type, the keys are next to eachother eh? |
| 08:35.26 | tarzeau | typo |
| 08:35.46 | cheal | tarzeau: I have tarzeau-aware keyboard |
| 08:35.49 | HPS`Fresh | when i have use 6xxx i have not so problem, but after i have insyall 2.6.13 X starts just once, and affter rebooting it`s never ever start again |
| 08:35.55 | tarzeau | scanwinder: and you say links2 -g and don't get graphical browser? |
| 08:36.00 | tarzeau | scanwinder: wait i try it here, on sarge... |
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| 08:36.04 | tarzeau | cheal: heh :) |
| 08:36.09 | scanwinder | tarzeau: ok, thanks |
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| 08:36.28 | tarzeau | scanwinder: you want mouse or not? you'll need gpm |
| 08:36.30 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: how did you install the drivers? |
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| 08:36.51 | HPS`Fresh | 7676? or 6xxx? |
| 08:37.06 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: both |
| 08:37.24 | scanwinder | tarzeau: ....i dont hav X open.......i thought you could run it with graphical without X, is that possible? |
| 08:37.35 | tarzeau | scanwinder: it works here. you don't need X |
| 08:37.49 | HPS`Fresh | 6xxx - i do pakg.run -x to extract, patching it and run nvidia-installer |
| 08:37.52 | tarzeau | scanwinder: you run as root or user? no other error msg? try links2 -g -mode 640x480x256 |
| 08:38.04 | cheal | !tell HPS`Fresh about nvidia-installer |
| 08:38.04 | HPS`Fresh | 7272 - just run pkg.run |
| 08:38.06 | tarzeau | scanwinder: yes it is possible. it works perfect here. |
| 08:38.16 | scanwinder | tarzeau: wait, its working i had 2 set the mode |
| 08:38.30 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: come back asking when you at least installed the drivers the debian way |
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| 08:39.19 | []mogla[] | ;) |
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| 08:39.33 | HPS`Fresh | cheal ok :) i`ll try this evening. don`t you know where czn i get a nvidia-howto? |
| 08:39.48 | cheal | !tell HPS`Fresh about nvidia-howto |
| 08:39.51 | Gumby | HPS`Fresh: www.ncidia.com |
| 08:39.58 | Gumby | www.nvidia.com |
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| 08:40.05 | Gumby | its right on the page you download the drivers from |
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| 08:40.10 | HPS`Fresh | cheal so... you think that 6xxx is beter åðÿò 7272? |
| 08:40.29 | cheal | Gumby: and it tells you right there how to break your Debian |
| 08:40.31 | HPS`Fresh | Gumby thnxvm |
| 08:40.41 | Gumby | cheal: how so? |
| 08:40.44 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: 6xxx is outdated |
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| 08:40.48 | Zap-W | what's kicking!! |
| 08:41.04 | cheal | Gumby: do not use nvidia-installer on Debian. it will overwrite files under dpkg's control |
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| 08:41.33 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: just use the drivers in your release unless there's a problem with them |
| 08:41.53 | HPS`Fresh | cheal so 7272 is more better? i am using GeForce mx400 |
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| 08:43.00 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: I don't think there's such a version as 7272. MX400 is an old card supported since a long time, even in 6??? |
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| 08:43.53 | llama32 | anyone know of an application similar to flash (though probably a lot simpler - no scripting, etc.), something that can create simple animations and export them to a usable format, preferably for qt/kde? |
| 08:44.26 | cheal | llama32: what kind of usable format do you think about? |
| 08:44.39 | HPS`Fresh | cheal yes. it`s supported. well, yearstuday a have install q4 on my linux box. now i need another videocard |
| 08:45.07 | llama32 | cheal: gif or something, doesnt need sound... just want to make some simple anims with lines, text, etc. |
| 08:45.17 | HPS`Fresh | :)\ |
| 08:45.17 | bkhl | llama32: SVG? |
| 08:45.58 | llama32 | bkhl: whats that? |
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| 08:46.11 | bkhl | llama32: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/animate.html |
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| 08:46.28 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: I wasn't asking you, I was saying MX400 is supported in all versions over 6000. use your release's version |
| 08:46.30 | itziar | hello chipirones |
| 08:46.47 | itziar | I am fuckingh with your mother |
| 08:46.50 | itziar | jajajajajaja |
| 08:46.54 | itziar | putas |
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| 08:47.38 | HPS`Fresh | cheal sorry %) butmy english is far-far away from perfect :) what do you mean "you release version"? |
| 08:47.41 | cheal | these trolls can't even wait a reaction for 30 seconds |
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| 08:48.02 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: it's okay. which version of debian do you use? |
| 08:48.13 | HPS`Fresh | 3.1r0a |
| 08:48.49 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: sarge/stable is your "release". the version of NVIDIA's 3D drivers in sarge is 7174. use that one unless you have a reason to use another one |
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| 08:50.21 | HPS`Fresh | cheal wow-wow.. stop. as far as i now where are no nvidia drivers included in this release. thats why i have ask you "what do you mean" |
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| 08:50.59 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: there are proprietary NVIDIA drivers in sarge's non-free/contrib section. their package name is nvidia-glx |
| 08:51.29 | cheal | and you'll want to follow the guide indicated in the "nvidia-howto" factoid to install them |
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| 08:52.12 | HPS`Fresh | yea? hm... i was shure, what deb don`t like nvidia/ati drivers for the reason of them non-free |
| 08:52.33 | HPS`Fresh | cheal --^ |
| 08:52.41 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: I don't understand what you just said |
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| 08:52.55 | HPS`Fresh | cheal :) |
| 08:54.07 | HPS`Fresh | cheal i have said: i have always think - where no nvidia/ati drivers in deb releases, becuse they are not free |
| 08:54.39 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: if you mean "there no nvidia/ati drivers in deb releases, because they are not free", you are basically right |
| 08:55.17 | cheal | there are drivers for ATI and NVIDIA cards, but they don't support 3D acceleration (except for some old ATI-s) |
| 08:55.18 | HPS`Fresh | cheal yes. have you read my mind? :) |
| 08:55.57 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: no, your english is okay but you made too many typos the first time you wrote it |
| 08:57.02 | HPS`Fresh | yes. my english is not so bad, but i`m writing bad, speaking well :) |
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| 08:57.32 | dli | what is 5428/udp ? |
| 08:57.47 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: ah, well, I don't think voice over IRC is that close ;) |
| 08:58.00 | jm_ | dli: port number |
| 08:58.08 | HPS`Fresh | cheal :) |
| 08:58.15 | dli | jm_: right, what's it for? |
| 08:58.27 | nerdy2 | "telaconsole" ? |
| 08:58.30 | jm_ | dli: Seifried has one service mentioned for it on his page |
| 08:59.07 | dli | jm_: I will block it, it appears a lot in my syslog |
| 08:59.25 | jm_ | dli: always block everything you don't need |
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| 08:59.44 | nerdy2 | also "openMosix Info Daemon port" ? |
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| 08:59.57 | dli | nerdy2, could be |
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| 09:01.29 | neil | does anyone know if I can get two gnomemeeting to connect if I just know the ip addresses? |
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| 09:02.45 | dli | neil: I think you can dial using <user>@ipaddr |
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| 09:03.14 | neil | dli: thanks |
| 09:03.40 | dli | neil: but gnomemeeting is so buggy :( |
| 09:04.22 | HPS`Fresh | don`t anybody know, witch directive says squid, to tell it`s version nobody? |
| 09:04.37 | neil | dli: I just want to get audio working between to computers, any suggestions ? |
| 09:04.52 | dli | neil: the best to me, skype |
| 09:05.03 | dli | neil, but it's not in debian |
| 09:05.28 | neil | dli: what about linphone? |
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| 09:05.42 | deeLer | can someone help me getting xdm running, screen goes black and returns to text console .... no errors |
| 09:05.44 | deeLer | can someone help me getting xdm running, screen goes black and returns to text console .... no errors |
| 09:05.48 | deeLer | oops, sorry |
| 09:06.05 | dli | neil: something from gaim-vv? which one is buggier? gnomemeeting or gaim-vv |
| 09:06.05 | cheal | deeLer: what about another display manager? |
| 09:06.25 | deeLer | cheal, no option, must fit on 512 mb flash card |
| 09:06.31 | deeLer | xdm is small enough |
| 09:06.41 | dli | deeLer, check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 09:06.45 | cheal | deeLer: is it possible to test them? |
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| 09:07.18 | neil | deeLer: what does DSL use icewm I think. |
| 09:07.31 | deeLer | startx works fine , icewm works |
| 09:07.59 | cheal | neil: that's not a display manager though |
| 09:08.07 | cheal | deeLer: which release? |
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| 09:08.20 | deeLer | X works to ... although no icewm then .... xinit gives me an xterm .... i'm a little confused about what starts what and in what order |
| 09:08.31 | deeLer | debian 31r0 |
| 09:08.34 | deeLer | sarge |
| 09:08.40 | dli | deeLer, then, I will try a fresh install, apt-get --purge remove xdm, rm the /etc/X11/xdm folder, and apt-get install it |
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| 09:09.08 | deeLer | dli, just did that .... dpkg -r xdm aptget install xdm ... no avail ... |
| 09:09.11 | tarzeau | does awk also have inplace edit of files like sed? |
| 09:09.23 | deeLer | there isn't even a single line that xdm returns |
| 09:09.28 | dli | deeLer, you rm the xdm folder before install |
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| 09:10.09 | deeLer | dli , no ... i'll try that, brb |
| 09:10.44 | deeLer | dli, still the same |
| 09:10.55 | cheal | deeLer: you checked xdm logs (if that exists)? |
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| 09:11.09 | dli | deeLer nothing in Xorg.0.log ? |
| 09:11.12 | deeLer | cheal, can't seem to find any xdm related log file .... |
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| 09:11.29 | deeLer | dli , no, ne (EE)'s there |
| 09:12.20 | dli | deeLer, then, just try gdm |
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| 09:12.27 | eXistenZ | hello |
| 09:12.35 | deeLer | dli, not enough space on flashcard ... |
| 09:12.49 | dli | deeLer, I said, "try" |
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| 09:13.23 | dli | deeLer, anything in syslog? |
| 09:13.39 | deeLer | dli, apt-get even warns me it will use 76.7 megs ... thats too much for a simple graphical login |
| 09:13.53 | deeLer | i'll check syslog ... brb |
| 09:13.53 | eXistenZ | after I upgraded to 2.6.8 the fsck.ext3 displays a problem at startup that it cannot find /dev/hde8 , I have sata here, so maybe it should be sda8, where can I change it? |
| 09:14.38 | deeLer | no ...... nothing xdm related |
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| 09:15.10 | dli | deeLer, try it, if may help locate the problem |
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| 09:15.47 | dli | eXistenZ, check dmesg, what is the disk now |
| 09:15.55 | deeLer | dli , okay, .... i'll try gdm ... |
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| 09:16.34 | Zap-W | eXistenZ |
| 09:16.40 | eXistenZ | yeppers |
| 09:16.47 | Zap-W | ma ata ose po |
| 09:17.00 | eXistenZ | Zap-W, menase lekabel ezra |
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| 09:18.08 | deeLer | dli, gdm works |
| 09:19.38 | eXistenZ | Zap-W, How can I install the 2.6.8 kernel directly from installation? |
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| 09:20.19 | dli | eXistenZ, 2.6.8 is the default |
| 09:20.34 | dli | eXistenZ, do you have "ifconfig lo" |
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| 09:20.43 | eXistenZ | nope, I downloaded Sarge before a few mins, and it installed 2.4 |
| 09:21.05 | cheal | eXistenZ: use linux26 boot parameter |
| 09:21.06 | dimir | Morning! |
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| 09:33.02 | deeLer | strange thing ... i can't seem to keep my textconsoles when gdm runs, alt-f1, alt-f2 .. doens'nt work .... any ideas ???? i'd like 1-6 text terminals, and 7 X |
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| 09:33.41 | jm_ | that would be because alt-f1 is wrong combination to switch when in X |
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| 09:34.14 | deeLer | jm_, i meant CRTL-ALT-F1 |
| 09:34.45 | HPS`Fresh | can anybody tell me how can i hide squid signature (version, etc) in it`s error output? |
| 09:34.55 | deeLer | what specifies whether X runs on F7 or let's say on F4 ???????? |
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| 09:35.30 | jm_ | deeLer: you can specify it on X server command line, but it usually uses first free |
| 09:35.33 | jm_ | console |
| 09:35.56 | jm_ | HPS`Fresh: it does that by default |
| 09:35.57 | deeLer | jm_, do you know the parameter to specify ? |
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| 09:36.32 | HPS`Fresh | jm_ realy? but my does |
| 09:36.34 | jm_ | deeLer: yes |
| 09:36.53 | HPS`Fresh | jm_ don`t you know what directive do this ? |
| 09:36.57 | jm_ | HPS`Fresh: ahh you want to hide it, I misunderstood |
| 09:37.03 | NNNN | hi |
| 09:37.14 | deeLer | jm_, well, which one is it ? |
| 09:37.16 | sajug | commands |
| 09:37.22 | jm_ | deeLer: manXFree86 |
| 09:37.26 | deeLer | :-p |
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| 09:37.38 | deeLer | i'm using x.org |
| 09:37.48 | steal | hi all |
| 09:37.50 | HPS`Fresh | jm_ yeah %)\ |
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| 09:38.14 | steal | do you know how can i configure totem to play smil file??? |
| 09:38.26 | hogfarmer | totem is faggot shit, use mplayer |
| 09:38.34 | steal | ok |
| 09:38.42 | steal | do you know how to configure mplayer? |
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| 09:39.06 | eXistenZ | How can I choose at the time of installation what kernel to be installed: 2.4 or 2.6? (In sarge) |
| 09:39.10 | hogfarmer | rtfm |
| 09:39.23 | steal | i've got download a lot of windows dll to run it |
| 09:39.49 | bibe | hi all. I have some problems with GPG. I revoked my older GPG key (the only secret key I had in my keyring), then I created two new secret keys. Everything is working ok with gpg verification and with the mail client (Evolution), but I don't know how to manage default-key directive in my ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf. I set it with both keys' , even with 0x..., but everytime I try to sign a key from command line I get a 'unusable key' error message |
| 09:40.01 | Garp | GNU make question (is that fine here?): I have a directory generic/ containing xml files (*.xml) a foo/ directory containing a few xml files some with the same name than in generic. In bar/ I want a makefile that copy over all xml from generic except if the same name is under foo in that case I want that one. I have half succeded using VPATH, but I had to rename my xml to *.xml1 in bar/ Doing this: vpath %.xml ../foo:../generic %.xml1 :: %.xml cp $< |
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| 09:40.14 | Garp | Thanks for any suggestion. |
| 09:40.25 | steal | but when i try to start the smil file with mplayar the error is mplayer cannot create a socket |
| 09:40.27 | bibe | If I use 'gpg --default-key <my_key> edit-key <key>', everything goes well |
| 09:40.41 | hogfarmer | Insert mustache for identification |
| 09:40.43 | steal | hogfarmer, can i explain my problem?? |
| 09:40.56 | Luftzig | what is /dev/ttyS0? |
| 09:41.08 | shay | Luftzig, it's like COM1 |
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| 09:41.12 | jm_ | HPS`Fresh: http://www.squid-cache.org/mail-archive/squid-dev/200402/0002.html |
| 09:41.14 | steal | or rtfm is the only that you can say? |
| 09:41.29 | hogfarmer | i use gentoo |
| 09:41.38 | hogfarmer | like a true hogfarmer |
| 09:42.00 | HPS`Fresh | jm_ yeah. i yave seen this thread, but where is now answers att all :) |
| 09:42.02 | steal | all linux distro are good |
| 09:42.06 | Luftzig | so it doesn't make sense that my PS/2 mouse is found by mdetect on /dev/ttyS0, right? |
| 09:42.09 | cheal | eXistenZ: 2.4 will be installed by default on i386 |
| 09:42.15 | jm_ | HPS`Fresh: sure there is - he wrote a patch |
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| 09:42.28 | eXistenZ | cheal, I need to install 2.6 |
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| 09:42.45 | HPS`Fresh | jm_ my eyes bring me down. the life is over :) |
| 09:43.14 | cheal | eXistenZ: then as I told you earlier |
| 09:43.20 | cheal | "eXistenZ: use linux26 boot parameter" |
| 09:43.51 | lxIT | I try to install Zend Studio. It's a java-app. When I execute the .bin as user, the installer loads. When I execute it as root, it fails: java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError |
| 09:43.52 | hogfarmer | @find farmyard fun |
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| 09:44.14 | eXistenZ | cheal, where am I supposed to type this? |
| 09:44.25 | hogfarmer | in the terminal |
| 09:44.26 | lxIT | Anyone an idea where I have to look? I suppose it's a java-prob... |
| 09:44.40 | hogfarmer | type it in your asshole |
| 09:44.50 | cheal | eXistenZ: on your keyboard, instead of just "Enter" |
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| 09:45.04 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'farmyard fun' returned no results. |
| 09:45.12 | Zap-W | eXistenZ: hit the f keys |
| 09:45.15 | intero | what tool can i use to draw things like http://trader.altervista.org/dscn0592.jpg or http://trader.altervista.org/dscn0591.jpg ? |
| 09:45.20 | Zap-W | eXistenZ f1 , f2 |
| 09:45.24 | Zap-W | eXistenZ : f3 etc.. |
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| 09:45.34 | Zap-W | eXistenZ : it will print more info |
| 09:45.35 | cheal | lxIT: so do we...ask help to a channel that can help you |
| 09:45.51 | hogfarmer | where is the any key? |
| 09:45.52 | cheal | hi grepper |
| 09:46.03 | grepper | hi cheal |
| 09:46.14 | hogfarmer | @find barnyard boys |
| 09:46.21 | cheal | hogfarmer: it's a combination of "/part #debian" |
| 09:46.31 | ravenbird | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'barnyard boys' returned no results. |
| 09:46.44 | Eclipser | !lart hogfarmer |
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| 09:46.58 | lxIT | cheal: oke, saying that helps me too... |
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| 09:47.18 | hogfarmer | !lart Ecliperscock |
| 09:47.32 | cheal | hogfarmer: please stop it here |
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| 09:48.02 | granden | Anyone got the blowfish module for irssi for a x86 computer and can give it to me? |
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| 09:48.10 | NNNN | stop ctcp |
| 09:48.20 | Garp | Why making a versio request is unwanted ? |
| 09:48.22 | HPS`Fresh | dudes, who did wrote this bot? |
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| 09:48.30 | lxIT | Debian-specific: Is there a JRE-package available? |
| 09:48.39 | Shadur | ~ops We've got a moron by the name of 'hogfarmer' who needs a one-way ticket out of the channel. |
| 09:48.43 | cheal | !tell lxIT about java |
| 09:48.45 | Shadur | !ops We've got a moron by the name of 'hogfarmer' who needs a one-way ticket out of the channel. |
| 09:48.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: We've got a moron by the name of 'hogfarmer' who needs a one-way ticket out of the channel. |
| 09:48.51 | jm_ | no, but there's a package that lets you create one with it - read the topic |
| 09:48.53 | cheal | Shadur: he was kicked |
| 09:49.01 | Shadur | Right. |
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| 09:49.39 | Luftzig | what can cause a perfectly functioning mouse on xorg's default mouse /dev/input/mice to suddenly stop funtioning and claiming that this device no longer exist, although the mouse works perfectly well? |
| 09:49.53 | Eclipser | eh |
| 09:50.00 | Eclipser | and he's back |
| 09:50.03 | NNNN | hi |
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| 09:50.15 | Garp | Could I know why making a version request on the channel is unwanted ? |
| 09:50.19 | cheal | Luftzig: what kernel do you use? |
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| 09:50.32 | cheal | Garp: what do you mean? |
| 09:50.34 | Klai | XD |
| 09:50.38 | Eclipser | Garp, he's flooding it |
| 09:50.38 | Luftzig | cheal, I use 2.6.8 |
| 09:50.39 | Deek | Garp: 5 times? |
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| 09:50.55 | NNNN | do you know if we can disable apt authentification for the debian cds ? |
| 09:51.00 | Eclipser | and I doubt he really wants the info |
| 09:51.02 | Garp | Deek: ppl started to cry at the fist resquet (or way I asleep before ? ;) |
| 09:51.15 | cheal | Luftzig: hum. do you have that device? |
| 09:51.20 | Shadur | Garp: It's generally considered rude to CTCP version an entire channel at once. |
| 09:51.34 | hogfarmer | are you calling me rude? |
| 09:51.36 | Eclipser | Garp, there's so many people here that I doubt he'll get anything out of it anyway |
| 09:51.44 | Eclipser | hogfarmer, just a lame ass idiot |
| 09:51.45 | Nick_Hill | It seems over the last couple of years there are less n00b questions in here. The n00b questions seem to have movedto #ubuntu |
| 09:51.50 | Shadur | hogfarmer: No, that's just in general. |
| 09:51.57 | hogfarmer | I'm monitor the mirc users |
| 09:52.03 | Luftzig | cheal, I don't have clue. if see it in /dev/input, it means it's there? |
| 09:52.04 | Shadur | hogfarmer: You, particularly, I call an obnoxious moron. |
| 09:52.05 | Ronin | sure you do hogfarmer |
| 09:52.15 | cheal | Nick_Hill: I guess you haven't been monitoring the channel closely lately |
| 09:52.18 | Eclipser | Shadur, hehe |
| 09:52.26 | Guerin | hogfarmer: don't be a fucking twat |
| 09:52.27 | cheal | Luftzig: I guess so |
| 09:52.28 | Garp | Shadur : well, that's a common way to know which clients ppl are using. One can still easilly write a loop over ppl in channel and send individual requests... But why makle it complex and more ressources taking where a single command can do it ? |
| 09:52.28 | hogfarmer | i'm an avid linux user |
| 09:52.32 | Shadur | hogfarmer: Nobody asked you to, and nobody wants you to. |
| 09:52.35 | Deek | avid, even. |
| 09:52.36 | Guerin | hogfarmer: if an op sees that, you'll get banned |
| 09:52.48 | NNNN | hogfarmer, i'm not using mirc, but a windows irc client, are you going to tell the ops to kick me ? |
| 09:52.48 | hogfarmer | opp yea u no me |
| 09:52.50 | Guerin | hogfarmer: and you'll deserve it |
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| 09:53.00 | cheal | Luftzig: perhaps you should paste the exact error |
| 09:53.21 | Guerin | in fact |
| 09:53.25 | Klai | Viv lé fote :) |
| 09:53.28 | hogfarmer | Message 543: Error shart shart shart! |
| 09:53.29 | Shadur | NNNN: He can tell them all he wants, they're going to ignore him. |
| 09:53.30 | Klai | Viv lé fote :) |
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| 09:53.42 | Luftzig | cheal, just wait a sec while i'll go fetch it |
| 09:53.55 | Garp | Shadur: would be the same as private everyone in the channel with the same message instead of sending it to the chan ;) |
| 09:54.10 | Nick_Hill | cheal, Those I have answered have been fairly noob on #ubuntu, but have required genuine fault-finding in here. |
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| 09:54.33 | Guerin | !ops can we fucking ban hogfarmer already? |
| 09:54.33 | Ronin | heh nicely done whomever did that |
| 09:54.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: can we fucking ban hogfarmer already |
| 09:54.38 | Garp | Well, OK, hogfarmer is hummm.. . Well, fine :( |
| 09:54.39 | cheal | Nick_Hill: heh, then I'll stay away from #ubuntu |
| 09:54.39 | UdontKnow | Guerin: already dealt |
| 09:54.44 | Eclipser | haha |
| 09:54.46 | Eclipser | k-line :p |
| 09:54.50 | Guerin | UdontKnow: oh, yo0u're way faster than me |
| 09:54.53 | UdontKnow | heh |
| 09:54.53 | Guerin | UdontKnow: cheers :) |
| 09:54.58 | UdontKnow | I was being slow :P |
| 09:55.10 | UdontKnow | he didnt reply in /msg so I let him for a few minutes |
| 09:55.19 | Shadur | And that, gentlemen, is why it's not wise to wake sleeping IRCops. Thanks, UdontKnow. :) |
| 09:55.32 | UdontKnow | Shadur: I _should_ be sleeping |
| 09:55.34 | UdontKnow | heh |
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| 09:55.42 | UdontKnow | 7:54 am, didnt sleep yet |
| 09:55.43 | Eclipser | yay for UdontKnow |
| 09:55.58 | UdontKnow | I am awake for 26h now |
| 09:56.04 | Deek | nice |
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| 09:56.24 | cheal | UdontKnow: I suppose saying that implies you're also out of coffee |
| 09:56.40 | Eclipser | urf coffee |
| 09:56.41 | Luftzig | sorry, I'll have to badly configurate the mouse so it will crash the X for me to get the exact error. |
| 09:56.41 | Eclipser | eww |
| 09:56.43 | Deek | That would be a tragedy. |
| 09:57.10 | Shadur | cheal: There are times, crazy as the notion may indeed sound, when caffeine is *not* a good idea. |
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| 09:57.21 | Shadur | !tell root about root |
| 09:57.24 | cheal | Shadur: pfff |
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| 09:57.32 | Guerin | cheal: he's not kidding |
| 09:57.49 | cheal | Guerin: only girls avoid coffee |
| 09:57.54 | Deek | I've never found that to be the case. Of course, coffee helps me sleep. |
| 09:58.03 | Phated | Ahem. |
| 09:58.03 | Guerin | i saw someone suffer the ill effects of a gram of caffeine, a tab of acid, half a bottle of tequila and a sprained ankle once |
| 09:58.07 | Phated | I drink coffee. |
| 09:58.15 | Guerin | cheal: she was fine until she sprained her ankle :) |
| 09:58.25 | Ronin | Guerin: i suspect it wasnt the coffe that was the problem :) |
| 09:58.28 | Eclipser | coffee tastes bad :< |
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| 09:58.32 | Guerin | Ronin: who mentioned coffee? |
| 09:58.32 | Phated | Does not. |
| 09:58.38 | Ronin | Guerin: very true |
| 09:58.40 | Guerin | bad coffee tastes bad |
| 09:58.44 | Deek | Eclipser: Only bad coffee tastes bad. |
| 09:58.45 | Luftzig | cheal, it's something like "xf860OpenSerial: cannot open device /dev/([anything but ttyS0]. Core Pointer cannot be initiated [or something] core device failed |
| 09:58.46 | Eclipser | it's also hot drink |
| 09:58.47 | cheal | see, even Phated drinks coffee |
| 09:58.50 | Eclipser | I hate hot drinks |
| 09:58.50 | Guerin | good coffee tastes good |
| 09:58.57 | Phated | Bad * tastes bad, that's not a reasonable statement. |
| 09:58.58 | Eclipser | I'll sweat for the whole week after a hot drink |
| 09:59.02 | Shadur | Luftzig: ... ye gods, a serial mouse? |
| 09:59.06 | Eclipser | not even cold shower can stop that |
| 09:59.21 | Guerin | the catch is that > 99% of coffee served in the vers is of execrable quality |
| 09:59.23 | Guerin | and that |
| 09:59.26 | Nick_Hill | Coffee gives me tunnel vision amd arms by remote control. |
| 09:59.29 | Guerin | 's why I hardly drink the stuff |
| 09:59.29 | Phated | Yes, well. |
| 09:59.32 | Deek | Good coffee, used liberally with good water, is awesome. |
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| 09:59.42 | Luftzig | Shadur, no, it's a ps/2 mouse. that's what the manufature claims, anyway |
| 09:59.43 | Phated | I lower my standards for early-morning caffeination. |
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| 09:59.55 | Guerin | i gave it up when I no longer had access to $20,000 espresso machines |
| 10:00.01 | cheal | Luftzig: "cannot open device" is not the same as "claiming that this device no longer exist" |
| 10:00.03 | Guerin | now i drink tea |
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| 10:00.08 | Eclipser | :) |
| 10:00.10 | Deek | Guerin: Mine only cost $1000. |
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| 10:00.27 | Guerin | Deek: then it's probably not capable of making good coffee reliably |
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| 10:00.42 | Luftzig | cheal, so what can prevent it from opening the device? it worked two days ago |
| 10:00.43 | jm_ | why do you need a machine to make a coffee? you can make your own |
| 10:00.52 | Deek | The machine is. Sometimes I am not. :) |
| 10:00.54 | Guerin | jm_: make your own espresso machine? |
| 10:01.01 | Guerin | that'd be a cool hack |
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| 10:01.17 | jm_ | Guerin: ohh espresso - I was thinking of proper coffee, called Turkish coffee or so |
| 10:01.20 | cheal | Luftzig: I don't know...try to google it |
| 10:01.22 | lxIT | Guerin: Tomshardware made one |
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| 10:01.39 | Guerin | jm_: right, i'm not familiar with that sort. |
| 10:01.43 | Deek | The trick to making good coffee is to use a LOT of it. |
| 10:01.44 | cheal | real men drink coffee : http://people.debian.org/~branden/images/normalface.jpeg |
| 10:01.51 | jm_ | Guerin: it's just water, coffee and sugar to taste |
| 10:01.53 | Guerin | lxIT: which shows how much of a mission it must be |
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| 10:02.03 | Guerin | jm_: no filtration |
| 10:02.14 | Eclipser | cheal, guess I'm not real man then https://eclipser.no-ip.org/eclipser.jpg |
| 10:02.15 | jm_ | Guerin: right, but that's what a lot of people do here |
| 10:02.18 | Guerin | jm_: grounds-in, yeah, i've had it once or twicce |
| 10:02.19 | lxIT | Guerin: yep, and they sold it in an auction |
| 10:02.24 | Guerin | lxIT: heh |
| 10:02.27 | lxIT | it was a very cool machine |
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| 10:02.44 | Luftzig | cheal, tried, X strike team's FAQ said "use mdetect" to find out to which device your mouse is using. mdetect claims it's ttyS0, which makes no much sense |
| 10:02.45 | cheal | Eclipser: I can't say without seeing the hands |
| 10:02.50 | Eclipser | hehheh |
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| 10:03.19 | cheal | Luftzig: hum |
| 10:03.19 | Eclipser | too bad I don't have a camera here |
| 10:03.19 | Luftzig | I'll give it another google try |
| 10:03.38 | lxIT | anyone using a download manager? if so, which one do you recommand? |
| 10:03.39 | Eclipser | wget |
| 10:03.50 | Eclipser | well not really a download manager, is it? |
| 10:03.53 | Guerin | lxIT: lftp |
| 10:03.59 | Guerin | manages downloads plenty well |
| 10:04.13 | lxIT | Guerin: also HTTP? |
| 10:04.22 | Deek | Guerin: Turkish coffee doesn't use filtering -- dump the coffee in the pot with the boiling water. |
| 10:05.00 | Guerin | Deek: yeah, I have had it - i'm just not an expert on it, like i was with espresso coffee |
| 10:05.01 | Deek | (don't drink more than two thirds of the cup :) |
| 10:05.04 | Guerin | iss: yup |
| 10:05.08 | Guerin | lxIT: yup |
| 10:06.01 | lxIT | I'm looking for a multi-threaded download manager... Downloading at 200 KB on a 10MBit-conn is quite annoying |
| 10:06.11 | Guerin | lxIT: NEVER use those |
| 10:06.19 | Guerin | lxIT: they're bad and wrong |
| 10:06.34 | lxIT | Guerin: but they are fast :s |
| 10:06.44 | Deek | So? |
| 10:06.46 | lxIT | Guerin: And I'm an impatient person sometimes |
| 10:07.01 | Deek | It's freakin' evil. |
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| 10:08.40 | lxIT | Deek: I'll stick to Firefox-downloads than :p |
| 10:09.22 | NNNN | again, do you know if we can disable apt authentification for the debian installation cds ? |
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| 10:09.52 | HPS`Fresh | cool :) |
| 10:09.59 | NNNN | (because of this i can't install debian) |
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| 10:10.29 | Phated | Guerin: Ask greycat for it. :) |
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| 10:10.57 | HPS`Fresh | don`t anybody know, what videocard is needed for linux q4? :) |
| 10:11.08 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: q4 would |
| 10:11.13 | Horde | uhm, what does it mean when it has an error "'/media/ipod/ipod_control/iTunes/iTunesDb' does not exist. Import aborted. |
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| 10:11.51 | Guerin | http://209.142.155.49/greycat.yi.org/ |
| 10:11.54 | Guerin | there it be |
| 10:12.00 | Guerin | lxIT: nota bene |
| 10:12.27 | Guerin | Horde: it means "ha ha, you're a tool because you bought an ipod." |
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| 10:12.34 | Guerin | Horde: ask apple for support. |
| 10:13.05 | cheal | NNNN: when did you download it? (or what's the error) |
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| 10:13.22 | HPS`Fresh | cheal, :) my english will be much better, if i`ll talk with all of you here :) |
| 10:13.27 | NNNN | i downloaded netinstall 3 days ago and yesterday too |
| 10:13.27 | Horde | in linux? |
| 10:13.33 | NNNN | it was sid_d-i |
| 10:13.44 | NNNN | (or something like that :) ) |
| 10:13.47 | Horde | and its from running gtkpod |
| 10:13.56 | jm_ | using sid and can't fix the very basic errors |
| 10:14.14 | NNNN | ... |
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| 10:14.31 | Guerin | NNNN: download the sarge installer and reinstall |
| 10:14.44 | Guerin | NNNN: you don't need sid, you don't want sid. |
| 10:14.53 | NNNN | jm_, in the debian wiki it was written this was a severe bug |
| 10:14.55 | Deek | If you can't fix MAJOR errors, you shouldn't be running sid in the first place. |
| 10:15.17 | Guerin | Horde: no, apple will tell you that they only support win32 and osx, which is why you should immediately return your ipod if at all possible |
| 10:15.35 | Guerin | NNNN: right, which is why you should be avoiding it by using sarge. |
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| 10:16.07 | NNNN | can't i get any other sort of advice ? |
| 10:16.08 | cheal | he said sid d-i |
| 10:16.12 | Guerin | Horde: if you can't return it whence you bought it, they have good resale value, and you could probably buy a non-shit player like the iAudio X5 for a similar price |
| 10:16.18 | Guerin | NNNN: nope. |
| 10:16.31 | Guerin | NNNN: as far as #debian is concerned, sid d-i doesn't even exist |
| 10:16.34 | Guerin | in fact |
| 10:16.45 | Guerin | it's actually etch d-i mislabeled |
| 10:16.55 | Luftzig | ok, tried cat on any device with psaux or mouse in it's name, and nada, it claims they all not exist |
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| 10:17.07 | NNNN | ah that's why the cd says "etch" :) |
| 10:17.08 | Horde | ugh, too much hassle. ill work it out. i have a feeling it has something to do with it cant read the ipod |
| 10:17.15 | encompass | is there a variable in linux for the time? |
| 10:17.26 | encompass | like $SECONDS |
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| 10:17.38 | Guerin | encompass: $(date) |
| 10:17.41 | jm_ | man date; info coreutils date |
| 10:17.43 | NNNN | but still, can't we enforce apt authentification ? |
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| 10:18.01 | Luftzig | cat /dev/ttyS0 gets no signal, which makes sense as nothing is connected to it |
| 10:18.02 | encompass | authentification |
| 10:18.03 | encompass | ? |
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| 10:18.09 | encompass | authentication silly |
| 10:18.40 | un1v4c | can you tell me some good counterstrike-like game that I can download with apt-get ? |
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| 10:19.25 | Deek | I doubt it. |
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| 10:20.43 | NNNN | un1v4c, maybe some TCs for quake3 (maybe they will work with only the demo) |
| 10:20.54 | Deek | It's possible someone set up an apt repo for ET or ArmyOps. |
| 10:21.00 | NNNN | ah ET yes |
| 10:21.21 | kevin | do you just use debian? |
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| 10:21.37 | cheal | Deek: armyops isn't packaged for debian |
| 10:21.53 | sanxiyn | kevin: To whom are you asking? |
| 10:22.06 | Deek | cheal: hence the "maybe someone set up a repo" |
| 10:22.17 | Phated | Yeh, and packaged it, which... heh. |
| 10:22.17 | kevin | this is my first time to come here |
| 10:22.40 | un1v4c | can you tell me some good shooting game (that I can download with apt-get) ? |
| 10:23.01 | NNNN | which kind ? |
| 10:23.16 | Phated | 'shooting'. :) |
| 10:23.23 | un1v4c | something cool |
| 10:23.27 | un1v4c | like cs :) |
| 10:23.29 | NNNN | yes but there are different kind within "shooting" |
| 10:23.32 | kevin | cs |
| 10:23.53 | sanxiyn | Does CS stand for Computer Science. |
| 10:23.56 | NNNN | they told you ET "enemy territory" |
| 10:23.58 | Deek | ...like cs. But you said "cool". |
| 10:24.10 | un1v4c | how to install ET? |
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| 10:24.47 | Horde | oh and is there any way of converting a .flac(audio) fiel into .mp3 or .wav ? |
| 10:24.53 | Horde | file* |
| 10:25.05 | un1v4c | nope :D |
| 10:25.07 | Phated | sox might do it. |
| 10:25.24 | Deek | sanxiyn: Counter-Strike -- a seriously-lame Windows-only team FPS. |
| 10:25.44 | Horde | nah tried sox |
| 10:25.58 | Phated | What kind of errors? |
| 10:26.00 | Deek | ogg123 will write to wav. |
| 10:26.14 | Horde | ill give it a go then |
| 10:26.24 | Phated | Yay, ogg. |
| 10:26.32 | Deek | And it will read flac. |
| 10:26.56 | Deek | (both original and Ogg Flac) |
| 10:27.02 | sanxiyn | I'm sure GStreamer can do that, but I don't know how. |
| 10:27.26 | Horde | hang on you said ogg123? is that the name of the package or program? |
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| 10:27.53 | Phated | vorbis-tools |
| 10:28.05 | Phated | Would be the package. ogg123 would be the utility. |
| 10:28.25 | Horde | gotchya |
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| 10:29.45 | Luftzig | googled the subject a bit, and still no clue. tried looking for device using "cat /dev/..." and all the appropriate modules are loaded |
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| 10:31.38 | sanxiyn | Horde: gst-launch filesrc location=music.flac ! flacdec ! wavenc ! filesink location=music.wav |
| 10:32.00 | Horde | uhh |
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| 10:32.02 | Horde | what |
| 10:32.12 | Horde | ? |
| 10:32.14 | Phated | sanxiyn: ... most kickass command ever. :) |
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| 10:32.20 | Horde | lol |
| 10:32.25 | imatsu | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 10:32.26 | imatsu | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 10:32.26 | imatsu | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:32.26 | imatsu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:32.29 | jm_ | they must be joking with such usage |
| 10:32.31 | sanxiyn | Phated: Well, in the land of GStreamer, such is common. |
| 10:32.31 | Phated | It just looks so violent. |
| 10:32.38 | Phated | sanxiyn: I see. |
| 10:32.55 | Axelay | Does anyone know of a command that _just_ reports the cpu usage? Something simple, just a 1-liner. |
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| 10:33.01 | imatsu | perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 10:33.02 | imatsu | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
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| 10:33.11 | jm_ | just doesn't get it |
| 10:33.12 | Eclipser | he never learns |
| 10:33.17 | Phated | ... hahah. |
| 10:33.51 | sanxiyn | Axelay: "uptime" shows load average. |
| 10:34.07 | sanxiyn | (1, 5, 15 minutes.) |
| 10:34.12 | Deek | loadavg has little or nothing to do with CPU. |
| 10:34.22 | Axelay | Yeah, I know, but im looking for cpu % |
| 10:34.54 | Deek | loadavg is a count of how many processes are waiting on I/O. |
| 10:34.59 | jm_ | sysstat utils |
| 10:35.12 | jm_ | i.e. sar |
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| 10:38.48 | Horde | hmmmm wel if not an ipod what should i switch to? i was thinking something similar to the ipod cos its perfect for what i need it for |
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| 10:39.02 | tensity|CARPIT | excuse me |
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| 10:39.06 | tensity|CARPIT | can i have soem help with debain |
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| 10:39.26 | CARPIT | im having problems with the xserver thing |
| 10:39.51 | Deek | Could you be a little more vague? |
| 10:39.57 | CARPIT | i get this error |
| 10:39.59 | CARPIT | that says |
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| 10:40.15 | CARPIT | somthing about the wrong driver of the xserver |
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| 10:40.27 | Phated | ... help #1, be less vague. |
| 10:40.30 | timgoh0 | CARPIT: Wow. Can you be more vague than that? |
| 10:40.34 | CARPIT | wait man |
| 10:40.36 | Guerin | CARPIT: choose the right driver |
| 10:40.36 | CARPIT | ok |
| 10:40.41 | CARPIT | how do u change the driver |
| 10:40.42 | streuner | CARPIT: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
| 10:40.46 | Guerin | CARPIT: and don't hit enter every two words |
| 10:40.50 | Guerin | !drxx CARPIT |
| 10:40.51 | dpkg | CARPIT: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 10:40.52 | Horde | and i thaught I was the master at being vague... |
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| 10:41.05 | Guerin | Horde: iaudio X5 |
| 10:41.16 | Guerin | Horde: google it; they're awesome. I have one. |
| 10:41.27 | Guerin | Horde: 35 hours battery, plays seven different format |
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| 10:41.42 | lindi- | hi, I saw wxmaxima and eclipse in incoming.debian.org yesterday. now both are missing from incoming and wxmaxima is now in http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ but i can't see eclipse there - any idea where eclipse went? |
| 10:41.49 | Horde | what formats? |
| 10:41.50 | Deek | Guerin: "but does it fsck?" |
| 10:41.55 | Axelay | jm_ Thanks. This gave me exactly what I needed. mpstat | tail -n 1 | awk '{print $9}' | cut -d'.' -f1 |
| 10:42.01 | CARPIT | so when i logged on what do i type to change the xserver |
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| 10:42.09 | sanxiyn | lindi-: No idea. |
| 10:42.10 | Guerin | !drxx CARPIT |
| 10:42.11 | dpkg | CARPIT: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 10:42.33 | CARPIT | thanks yeaps |
| 10:42.38 | CARPIT | u guys are champs ;) |
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| 10:42.55 | Horde | guerin is it debian supported? |
| 10:43.18 | Guerin | Horde: it's usb mass storage - it works with everything |
| 10:43.42 | Guerin | Horde: everything newer than win95, anyway |
| 10:43.43 | Deek | No, he's recommending it because it only works with RISC OS. :) |
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| 10:44.03 | Guerin | Deek: well, that's about what recommending an ipod is |
| 10:44.03 | Horde | and how much are they generally? |
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| 10:44.08 | sanxiyn | Hm, |
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| 10:44.33 | sanxiyn | I upgraded X server, and suddenly it refuses to use resolution higher than 1024x768. Any idea? |
| 10:44.46 | Guerin | Horde: depends what size you want. I paid $300 or so for my X5L 30G - they make 20 and 60 as well |
| 10:44.54 | Guerin | Horde: amazon.com has them |
| 10:45.01 | sanxiyn | (II) I810(0): Not using built-in mode "1600x1200" (width too large for virtual size) |
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| 10:45.16 | sanxiyn | (from Xorg.0.log. I don't think it was there before...) |
| 10:45.48 | Horde | cool cos im sorta short for ca$h, is the x5 the best "bang for buck"? |
| 10:46.07 | Guerin | Horde: yes. |
| 10:46.16 | Phated | The X5 is kickass. |
| 10:46.42 | Guerin | Horde: it plays ogg vorbis, flac, wma, mp3, asf, some avi and txt |
| 10:46.46 | Horde | alright im sold, now i need money... |
| 10:46.56 | Phated | txt... not technically a format. :P |
| 10:47.00 | Guerin | Horde: sell your ipod to a mactard |
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| 10:47.08 | Guerin | Phated: details |
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| 10:47.13 | Phated | Guerin: Hah. |
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| 10:47.25 | Guerin | Horde: I hear Phated wants to buy an ipod |
| 10:47.32 | Guerin | to go with her iBook |
| 10:47.38 | Guerin | and her iBrator |
| 10:47.38 | Phated | She has one, fuckoff. |
| 10:47.44 | Phated | ... NOT an iBrator. |
| 10:47.50 | Guerin | suuure |
| 10:47.51 | Horde | lol |
| 10:47.54 | Deek | hahaha |
| 10:48.02 | Phated | She has the 'pod, damnit. |
| 10:48.22 | Deek | And the third-person speech, apparently. :) |
| 10:48.34 | Phated | Yeh, she be chillin'. Bugger off now. :) |
| 10:48.36 | Guerin | iPhone |
| 10:48.36 | Phated | Guerin: ROKR. |
| 10:48.42 | Guerin | Phated: ? |
| 10:48.44 | Deek | Phated: POS |
| 10:48.47 | Phated | Guerin: FGI. |
| 10:48.53 | Guerin | Phated: wtf |
| 10:48.53 | Phated | Deek: I know. I don't have one. |
| 10:49.01 | Phated | Guerin: Yeh, I know. |
| 10:49.14 | Guerin | STUPID mactards |
| 10:49.19 | Guerin | they'll fucking buy anything |
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| 10:49.29 | Horde | i can get one of 122 gbp's |
| 10:49.32 | Horde | for |
| 10:49.45 | encompass | what is the easiest colored text editor that is for console? |
| 10:49.45 | Phated | Eh, I don't have one, and I'm a mactard, shoo. |
| 10:49.52 | encompass | something to work with my bash files |
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| 10:49.58 | Guerin | encompass: nano can do colour |
| 10:50.03 | encompass | it can? |
| 10:50.05 | encompass | what do I do? |
| 10:50.06 | pybe | encompass: nano can do colour iirc |
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| 10:50.08 | Guerin | encompass: sure |
| 10:50.16 | Guerin | encompass: read the fucking manual |
| 10:50.37 | scanwinder | how do i stop X starting at bootup? |
| 10:50.38 | encompass | dude, I hate it when people swear in a channel |
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| 10:50.53 | Guerin | encompass: then it must be really shitty to be you |
| 10:51.21 | scanwinder | how do i stop graphical stuff coming up on bootup? |
| 10:51.26 | pybe | scanwinder: change the default run level |
| 10:51.28 | sanxiyn | encompass: Have a look at /etc/nanorc |
| 10:51.29 | encompass | Be a little more considerate in a channel when some people have to come here to keep there jobs. |
| 10:51.31 | Phated | encompass: Your point? |
| 10:51.32 | Guerin | !tell scanwinder about nodm |
| 10:51.34 | encompass | thanks |
| 10:51.37 | ssm | encompass: They rarely have anything interesting to say, and can safely be ignored. |
| 10:51.45 | abrocadabro | sanxiyn: what does your mode line say in xorg.conf |
| 10:51.51 | Guerin | encompass: wtf? |
| 10:51.53 | kenboo | pybe, are you sure? what runlevel then? |
| 10:51.53 | mjk64 | pybe: I thought Debian has no runlevel for X? |
| 10:52.04 | Phated | If they need IRC help to keep their job... hahah. |
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| 10:52.09 | Guerin | pybe: changing runlevel for this doesn';t work in debian |
| 10:52.10 | sanxiyn | abrocadabro: I don't have modeline. |
| 10:52.18 | sanxiyn | mjk64: Yes, it doesn't. |
| 10:52.23 | mjk64 | sanxiyn: okay |
| 10:52.25 | sanxiyn | Eh, was it "No, it doesn't"? |
| 10:52.32 | sanxiyn | That part of English always confuses me. |
| 10:52.34 | Guerin | sanxiyn: either. |
| 10:52.40 | mjk64 | sanxiyn: =) |
| 10:52.40 | Phated | sanxiyn: 'Indeed, it doesn't.' |
| 10:52.44 | pybe | Guerin: nm i either have x installed or not, so havent played with it since i moved to deb |
| 10:52.53 | Deek | sanxiyn: Depends on how the question was formed. |
| 10:53.02 | encompass | Thanks for the support ssm |
| 10:53.03 | kenboo | what package has 'fortune' |
| 10:53.18 | Deek | fortune |
| 10:53.20 | Phated | kenboo: fortune-mod |
| 10:53.32 | kenboo | ok..tnx |
| 10:53.54 | Horde | hmmmm an iaudio x5 for $20.50 us |
| 10:53.57 | sanxiyn | Guerin: "fishing manual"? That sounds amusing... |
| 10:53.58 | Deek | Doesn't fortune-mod Provides: fortune? |
| 10:54.03 | Guerin | Horde: what's the catch |
| 10:54.05 | Horde | is that a good price? |
| 10:54.05 | Phated | Prolly, yeh. |
| 10:54.06 | sanxiyn | Deek: It does. |
| 10:54.07 | Horde | lol |
| 10:54.07 | Guerin | sanxiyn: heh |
| 10:54.30 | Horde | catch is im aaaaaalllll the way over in austrilasia |
| 10:54.40 | Phated | Deek: It replaces it too. I think if you apt-get install fortune it selects fortune-mod. |
| 10:54.41 | Guerin | Horde: they sell them in australia |
| 10:54.49 | Guerin | and NZ |
| 10:55.02 | Guerin | Horde: they even had some on trademe.co.nz last i looked |
| 10:55.13 | Horde | on trademe? |
| 10:55.16 | Horde | REALLY? |
| 10:55.28 | Guerin | Horde: trademe has everything |
| 10:55.38 | Deek | Horde: looks like you're not gettin' out of it. |
| 10:55.40 | Horde | holy shit they do too.... |
| 10:55.58 | Horde | oh exept the only thing i have been wanting for like ever |
| 10:56.05 | Horde | the DJM 707 |
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| 10:56.47 | Horde | *soft music plays as a picture of a DJM 707 slowly fades in* |
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| 10:57.46 | Zap-W | can anyone recommend on an IRC xdcc bot |
| 10:58.00 | Guerin | Zap-W: no. this is not a warez channel. fuck off. |
| 10:58.00 | Phated | #warez. |
| 10:58.07 | Guerin | and before you start |
| 10:58.27 | Guerin | there is NO legitimate reason for dcc other than warez and home-made pr0n |
| 10:58.27 | Horde | omg |
| 10:58.30 | deeLer | can someone tell me how to keep my consoles F1 to F6 when i startx ? When X starts i can't get back to the text consoles |
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| 10:58.43 | mjk64 | :-) |
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| 10:59.03 | Phated | deeLer: Ctrl-Alt-Fx. |
| 10:59.03 | cheal | deeLer: try $ chvt 1; |
| 10:59.09 | Horde | well i found an iaudio for about 77usd |
| 10:59.10 | bibe | deeLer : did you try CTRL+ALT+F[1-6]? |
| 10:59.12 | jm_ | deeLer: I already told you, plus one can disable such switches in X config file |
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| 10:59.54 | Deek | Guerin: Bah. I use dcc legitimately all the time. |
| 11:00.03 | jm_ | me too |
| 11:00.03 | Deek | Sending tarballs. |
| 11:00.05 | Guerin | Deek: but you don't need a bot to do it |
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| 11:00.15 | nige | helllo |
| 11:00.18 | nige | how are we all |
| 11:00.47 | Deek | I don't know how I am, but you're fabulous. |
| 11:01.10 | deeLer | bibe, tried that yes, jm_ not working |
| 11:03.18 | Noid__ | Guerin: besides, for some of us, some kind of "warez" are legal (or at the very least, not illegal) |
| 11:03.25 | Phated | Deek: This is no kiddie porn channel, don't do your pickups around here. :) |
| 11:03.37 | Horde | lol |
| 11:03.43 | Deek | bwahaha |
| 11:03.45 | Guerin | Noid__: sure, but that don't make it on-topic in #debian |
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| 11:04.10 | Horde | noid_: isnt the definition of warez illeagal |
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| 11:04.14 | Horde | ? |
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| 11:04.41 | sobersabre | Hi guys, I've got linux question. if I don't use swap partition. what does kswapd ( 2.6) ? |
| 11:04.52 | Deek | It makes swapfiles. |
| 11:05.13 | Deek | oh, wait, that's something else. |
| 11:05.36 | Noid | Guerin: I think asking for a program in debian doesn't qualify as offtopic, but well, i couldn't care less about that... |
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| 11:05.44 | sobersabre | don't be deek, Deek ;-) |
| 11:06.10 | Guerin | Noid: well, asking for recommendations is generally frowned upon in here, since it tends to start flammewars |
| 11:06.19 | Noid | Horde: is it? I just don't know... in my country you have the right to make private copies of everything except software |
| 11:06.22 | sobersabre | hmm that's quotation from xXx |
| 11:06.31 | Noid | Guerin: you're right |
| 11:06.42 | HPS`Fresh | cheal by the way, i`m actualy don`t know and can`t test it now, may be you can help me? the nvidia-glx pkg, which is included in my deb realise. does it work with all kernels, or just with kernel contained in my sarge distributive? |
| 11:07.01 | Deek | VI! (kidding) |
| 11:07.09 | Guerin | Noid: the traditional definition of warez is softWARE, but i suppose nowadays it's different |
| 11:07.18 | cheal | HPS`Fresh: almost all kernels or none. you have to compile a kernel module |
| 11:07.21 | incorrect | im debating about how i should set up an HA file server, im not sure if i should set up a drdb with heart beat, or use AFS, anyone know of any other good options? |
| 11:07.34 | mely | whats kernel with opie |
| 11:07.43 | jm_ | mely: what? |
| 11:07.47 | Guerin | mely: the one you build yourself |
| 11:07.48 | Noid | Guerin: I always viewed it as a deviation of "wares", as in "show me your wares" |
| 11:07.50 | Horde | noid: and WHAT may i ask is warez? generally software OR p2p shared video,audio or text documents, also not leagal |
| 11:07.51 | HPS`Fresh | cheal well grate %). it`s just fine :) |
| 11:08.02 | Guerin | Noid: right. From softWAREs |
| 11:08.14 | sobersabre | :). I wonder, if kswapd runs anyway, and loads stuff into mem and to the disk and vice versa, but when there is swap partition, it can 1st to swap out pages to it, in a comfortable and fast manner. |
| 11:08.15 | Guerin | Noid: but hell, I wasn't there when it got invented |
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| 11:08.31 | sobersabre | anyway, I maybe should ask this in other chan ... ? |
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| 11:08.47 | Noid | Horde: my point is that copying a movie or audio for private use is not illegal in my country |
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| 11:09.01 | Horde | really? |
| 11:09.05 | Noid | Guerin: me neither hehe |
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| 11:09.08 | Horde | wait from another person? |
| 11:09.17 | scanwinder | where is the script for when X starts in debian? - with most distros ive used it was /home/username/.xinitrc |
| 11:09.22 | Horde | noid: or from the hard copy |
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| 11:09.32 | jm_ | scanwinder: it depends on how you start it |
| 11:09.49 | scanwinder | jm_: by running startx |
| 11:09.50 | Guerin | scanwinder: that works in debian with startx |
| 11:09.53 | jm_ | scanwinder: man startx |
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| 11:10.12 | mely | where is run opie? |
| 11:10.16 | Noid | Horde: really, it's even contemplated in the legislation... it states so quite clearly... it's illegal when there's profit in the copying |
| 11:10.18 | scanwinder | is it just not there coz it dosent run anything like that? |
| 11:10.27 | jm_ | yes it is, man page explains it |
| 11:10.32 | Phated | scanwinder: Just write it on your own. |
| 11:10.43 | mely | where is run opie? |
| 11:10.47 | Noid | Horde: note that it doesn't apply to software, which follows other rules |
| 11:11.01 | Horde | noid: whereabouts do you live? its very illeagal here, if you dont have the hard copy/reciept you get fined |
| 11:11.28 | Noid | Horde: Spain |
| 11:12.00 | mely | where is run opie? |
| 11:12.09 | Horde | noid: heh good old spaniards, oh do you know the going rate for a DJM 707 over there? |
| 11:12.35 | Noid | Horde: haha from where? d-: |
| 11:12.36 | Guerin | Deek: heh |
| 11:12.41 | PerfDave | es_EXPRESS |
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| 11:13.05 | Horde | noid: oh uhmmmmm madrid? (going over for holidayz) |
| 11:13.40 | Guerin | my wife and I swore we'd be in Spain on our 10th anniversary |
| 11:13.46 | Horde | lol |
| 11:13.50 | Guerin | we were in KOrea ... postponed it |
| 11:14.03 | mely | opie is small kernel? |
| 11:14.26 | Guerin | !htfswk mely |
| 11:14.27 | dpkg | mely: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 11:14.53 | jm_ | does he mean libpam-opie or what? I have that installed on my firewall |
| 11:14.58 | Horde | korea aint bad, least ya werent in some shithole like home |
| 11:15.04 | Noid | Horde: madrid, yep... be prepared for an obstacle race, it's permanently under repairs |
| 11:15.11 | mely | is small kernel? |
| 11:15.30 | mely | where is running opie? |
| 11:15.31 | scanwinder | is there a way to get startx to go like straight to fluxbox...........at the moment its coming up with some debian splashscreen that comes up with little icons as it loads stuff......................in damnsmalllinux it dosent have that and goes straight in - anyway to do that in debian? |
| 11:15.37 | scanwinder | and it was alot faster in DSL |
| 11:15.50 | jm_ | use ~/.xsession to do that |
| 11:15.51 | Guerin | Horde: man, you don't know how good you have it in NZ |
| 11:16.00 | Guerin | Horde: i'd LOVE to be back there right now |
| 11:16.15 | Deek | God, it's like that "Far Side" with the kid pushing on the door marked "Push" with all his might. |
| 11:16.26 | Guerin | Deek: haha |
| 11:16.31 | Horde | Guerin: maybe, the weather's been nice lately |
| 11:16.33 | mely | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.36 | Guerin | larsen++ |
| 11:16.43 | Guerin | mely: WE DO NOT FUCKING KNOW |
| 11:16.55 | Horde | noid: hah i heard, im going over to watch a big soccer game, madrid V i forgot |
| 11:17.09 | jm_ | football, not soccer |
| 11:17.14 | scanwinder | jm_, where is ~/.xsession? |
| 11:17.18 | Noid | Horde: ahh, the sweating masses.. |
| 11:17.25 | jm_ | scanwinder: that's the absoulte path to it in decent shells |
| 11:17.31 | jm_ | absolute |
| 11:17.38 | scanwinder | whats that mean? |
| 11:17.43 | Horde | Noid: yeah its gunna be great :-) |
| 11:18.00 | jm_ | it means edit ~/.xsession and don't worry about the path |
| 11:18.29 | Guerin | scanwinder: ~ = /home/username |
| 11:18.32 | Noid | Horde: enjoy it... heh, I must be one of the few spanish guys that don't like football |
| 11:18.45 | scanwinder | Guerin: thought so - but that file isnt there |
| 11:18.51 | Guerin | scanwinder: so make it |
| 11:18.51 | Horde | Noid: you havent been shot? |
| 11:19.12 | Guerin | scanwinder: if you want fluxbox, echo 'exec fluxbox' > ~/.xsession |
| 11:19.20 | Noid | Horde: nah, we're an underground resistance.. secret salute and everything d-: |
| 11:19.43 | jm_ | heh hard to find such people, I hope he's at least following their motorcycle riders, although basketball and handball are also big in Spain |
| 11:19.50 | Deek | they don't shoot you, they talk about you behind your back. |
| 11:20.03 | Horde | Noid: gotchya, running around with all those spanish gangsta's I hear about all the time? |
| 11:20.07 | scanwinder | Guerin: ....i wanted to make X start faster and cut stuff out - so that it will get into fluxbox faster |
| 11:20.23 | Horde | deek: and point across the street? |
| 11:20.26 | Guerin | scanwinder: x doesn't start anything you don't tell it to, by default |
| 11:20.39 | Guerin | scanwinder: particularly not in debian |
| 11:20.56 | Noid | jm_: nope, not even car riders d-: |
| 11:21.18 | Deek | Horde: And then there's the surprise hangings. |
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| 11:21.34 | scanwinder | Guerin: at the moment ive just got "startfluxbox" in .xinitrc and it takes a long time - longer than it did when i had damnsmalllinux and it comes up with some debian spalsh screen and loads stuff - like windows manager(i know i want that 2 open....but it takes alot longer) |
| 11:21.58 | Horde | deek: oh thats no where near as bad as the angry letters |
| 11:22.07 | Guerin | scanwinder: startfluxbox probably starts some mo other stupid shit too |
| 11:22.24 | Guerin | scanwinder: just fluxbox will load the wm and nothing else. Or you could edit the startfluxbox script |
| 11:23.38 | Garp | bebye |
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| 11:23.54 | scanwinder | Guerin: how do i kill x? which process is it? |
| 11:24.00 | Phated | scanwinder: Eh, just alias startx to 'startx /usr/bin/fluxbox' :) |
| 11:24.01 | jm_ | don't kill X |
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| 11:24.24 | scanwinder | jm_: but i want to close X somehow |
| 11:24.34 | jm_ | scanwinder: so quit your window manager |
| 11:25.09 | scanwinder | jm_ i tried 2 do that and now...ive got like no menus or windows or bars or anything and i wanna close X |
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| 11:25.44 | JosephSpiros | I'm curious, when I do dpkg -l, there are sometimes packages marked "rc" |
| 11:25.50 | scanwinder | jm_: are there any processes i can kill to close it? |
| 11:26.09 | Assassin5 | is it worth upgrading XFree to XOrg on sarge and are all the same chipsets supported? |
| 11:26.18 | Guerin | scanwinder: kill startx |
| 11:26.18 | PerfDave | Assassin5: xorg isn't in Sarge. |
| 11:26.24 | jm_ | scanwinder: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 11:26.25 | JosephSpiros | and when I did dpkg --get-selections, the same ones were included in the list, with something other than "install", I think it was "deinstall" though I can't remember now |
| 11:26.44 | JosephSpiros | anyway, I'm curious, how can I get rid of the package entirely, as far as dpkg is concerned? I don't even want dpkg to remember it existed :p |
| 11:26.55 | Assassin5 | PerfDave, you can get it for sarge, just ask dpkg |
| 11:26.55 | jm_ | JosephSpiros: read the FAQ |
| 11:26.56 | scanwinder | jm_: ok thanks that worked |
| 11:27.09 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: you don't want to do this |
| 11:27.15 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: I don't? :( |
| 11:27.21 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: nope. |
| 11:27.24 | PerfDave | Assassin5: By using unofficial, unsupported packages with no security updates. Which isn't worth it, IMHO. |
| 11:27.43 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: is there any reason? I believe you, but I do like to have reasons... makes me more content :) |
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| 11:28.05 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: value : risk ratio is not worth it |
| 11:28.21 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: fucking with the status file is Really Fucking Stupid |
| 11:28.34 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: I didn't suggest a particular method, and I don't want to fuck with any files ;) |
| 11:28.44 | JosephSpiros | But from what I understand "rc" means removed but not purged, and I just want to purge it |
| 11:28.51 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: oh, ok. |
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| 11:29.08 | JosephSpiros | and installing it again, just to purge it... seems so... wrong |
| 11:29.11 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: that's not what you asked for, though. once it's purged, dpkg will still remember it was once installed. |
| 11:29.13 | Horde | damn guerin im all wanting an iaudio now |
| 11:29.17 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: dpkg -P packagename |
| 11:29.19 | JohnnyST | How can I make debian shutdown when I press the power button? |
| 11:29.26 | Assassin5 | I was more curious about performance issues. Wondered If I'd get more out of Xorg on my laptop. |
| 11:29.35 | jm_ | JohnnyST: you need appropriate kernel support + daemon related to it |
| 11:29.38 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: sorry, I shouldn't have been using those terms, I just meant I didn't want it showing up anymore in --get-selections, etc. |
| 11:29.42 | Guerin | Assassin5: unlikely |
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| 11:29.45 | JosephSpiros | Guerin: thank you kindly :-) |
| 11:29.54 | Guerin | JosephSpiros: oh, it won't after you purge it. |
| 11:29.58 | JohnnyST | jm_: do you know what daemon? |
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| 11:30.10 | jm_ | JohnnyST: it depends on which kernel option works for you - ACPI or APM |
| 11:30.12 | Assassin5 | fair enough..... come one Gnome 2.12. Get in sarge..... |
| 11:30.19 | Guerin | Assassin5: never gonna happen |
| 11:30.22 | JohnnyST | jm_: I use ACPI. |
| 11:30.28 | jm_ | JohnnyST: acpid |
| 11:30.35 | Guerin | Assassin5: sarge is stable - it's not going to change, ever. If you want shinies, use etch. |
| 11:30.36 | JohnnyST | jm_: Thanks. |
| 11:30.43 | Guerin | Assassin5: be aware that it might break. |
| 11:31.08 | Assassin5 | I used to run unstable, but now this is my primary box, I'm a little hesitant. |
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| 11:31.24 | JosephSpiros | Assassin5: testing, imo, is a nice compromise |
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| 11:32.22 | JosephSpiros | on a completely unrelated note, I'm just being a neat freak when it comes to this, but does anyone have any insight why, two identical machines with identical package selections and versions, one has /boot/grub/fat_stage1_5, and the other doesn't? |
| 11:32.27 | JosephSpiros | it's the ONLY file difference |
| 11:32.32 | JosephSpiros | and it's bugging me :-[ |
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| 11:33.00 | jm_ | maybe you tried to install GRUB on a partition with FAT file system on it once |
| 11:33.10 | jm_ | or grub-install just went berserk |
| 11:33.16 | JosephSpiros | I don't think I did :\ |
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| 11:33.30 | JosephSpiros | anyway, there's no FAT file system anywhere, in your estimation, would I be safe just deleting it? :) |
| 11:33.52 | jm_ | yes, stage 1.5 files are used for embedding, they're not read from the fs |
| 11:34.01 | JosephSpiros | wonderful, thank you |
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| 11:47.24 | wlazian | hi, what is the default path for style files for tetex? |
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| 11:48.14 | wlazian | i thought that it's enough to put it into /usr/local/share/texmf |
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| 11:48.30 | wlazian | put pdflatex can not find it |
| 11:48.44 | FrdFlint | is there an app for making a cdrom umount when its frozen? |
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| 11:49.04 | deeLer | is there a sarge build with aic79xx support? |
| 11:49.06 | jm_ | FrdFlint: explain in more details |
| 11:49.06 | vekpos | hello! my xmms isnt changing the tracks - it always plays the first track again and again. how can i fix this? |
| 11:49.09 | Ryanx0r | jan_: hey |
| 11:49.21 | jan_ | jo :-) |
| 11:49.29 | FrdFlint | sometimes using sarge my cdrom freezes and wont unmount |
| 11:49.37 | mjk64 | deeLer: Yes. |
| 11:49.48 | FrdFlint | was wondering if theres an app to go on desktop to unmount it |
| 11:49.57 | jm_ | what does umount say? |
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| 11:50.22 | mjk64 | deeLer: lsmod lists aic79xx on my system. I'm using 3.1 rev 0a |
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| 11:50.41 | FrdFlint | says system busy but i know it isnt seems like it just gets stuck and doent want to give it up |
| 11:50.46 | PerfDave | vekpos: Uhm, you do have more than one track in the playlist, irght? |
| 11:50.56 | jm_ | Device busy means something has files opened on it |
| 11:51.10 | PerfDave | FrdFlint: you "know it isnt"? Have you tried using lsof to see whether any applications are using it? |
| 11:51.15 | FrdFlint | yes its the FAM thing |
| 11:51.23 | vekpos | PerfDave: normally |
| 11:51.28 | jm_ | GNOME crapola ;) |
| 11:51.43 | FrdFlint | i do the kill-9 |
| 11:51.46 | PerfDave | vekpos: And you can play the other files by manually selecting them in the playlist? |
| 11:51.51 | jm_ | kill -9 is bad, don't use it |
| 11:51.52 | FrdFlint | and make it open |
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| 11:52.03 | vekpos | PerfDave: yes, and xmms -f also works |
| 11:52.17 | deeLer | mjk64, modprobe aic79xx doesn't work , my scsi card doesn't do a busscan |
| 11:52.19 | PerfDave | vekpos: Curious. Have you tried removing all the files from the playlist and re-adding them? |
| 11:52.19 | FrdFlint | seems like the only way to make it open other than log out and back in |
| 11:52.44 | mjk64 | deeLer: What does dmesg say? |
| 11:52.45 | vekpos | PerfDave: yes, I got the problem since a week... tried everything :( |
| 11:53.31 | vekpos | maybe i should completely remove xmms and then reconfiguring it - maybe theres an error with the config files after updating it |
| 11:53.56 | PerfDave | vekpos: Seems a little odd. Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 11:54.06 | deeLer | dmesg doesn't show the scsi card |
| 11:54.08 | vekpos | testing |
| 11:54.18 | PerfDave | vekpos: And you've checked the BTS, right? |
| 11:54.26 | vekpos | BTS? |
| 11:54.31 | PerfDave | !btssmite vekpos |
| 11:54.55 | vekpos | ahh... no, didn't know this page :) |
| 11:55.02 | PerfDave | vekpos: Really, if you're not running stable (and to some extent if you are), *always* check the BTS before you ask for help on IRC. |
| 11:55.16 | mjk64 | deeLer: Hm ... sure your hostadapter is based on aic79xx? |
| 11:55.29 | vekpos | ah ok, just using debian for 2 months :) |
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| 11:55.48 | mjk64 | deeLer: I don't have such a card, but you should certainly be able to read a few messages in dmesg, if it worked ... |
| 11:55.49 | deeLer | yes, works in ubuntu, not in debian |
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| 11:56.17 | PerfDave | vekpos: I'm pretty sure that the BTS is in the Installation Manual, which you should read before installing :) |
| 11:56.28 | mjk64 | deeLer: Hm. Okay, then I regret to be at my wits end already. (I'm a Debian newbie, anyway :-} |
| 11:56.32 | Om | What utilities are there for encrypting files (with a passphrase)? Not something I've ever wanted to do before >.< |
| 11:56.36 | PerfDave | vekpos: I'm also pretty sure that if you've only been running Debian for two months, you want to be using stable. |
| 11:56.39 | PerfDave | Om: gpg |
| 11:56.40 | deeLer | np |
| 11:57.08 | Om | PerfDave, thanks :) |
| 11:59.24 | sep | deeLer, hardware support is distro independant, what's interesting is what kernel versions you used in the ubuntu that worked, perhaps you need a more recent kernel for your card to function properly |
| 12:00.12 | deeLer | sep ... i agree... can i find a build where aic79xx would be already included ? |
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| 12:00.56 | SimonRaven | aic79xx has been in the kernel for a while, but there's a new driver, and an old one. his/her card probably needs the new one |
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| 12:01.10 | sep | deeLer, it's included as a moduel in all the kernel-images |
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| 12:01.23 | sandman | Why would packages be "held back"? |
| 12:01.29 | sep | !held back |
| 12:01.29 | dpkg | i heard kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
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| 12:03.47 | PerfDave | !kept back |
| 12:03.47 | dpkg | hmm... kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 12:04.18 | sandman | Is it just me, or is sid updating rather slowly? |
| 12:04.39 | PerfDave | sandman: You're running sid, and you don't know what "held back" means? |
| 12:04.48 | chea1 | sandman: what does that mean? |
| 12:04.50 | sandman | I'm getting a lot of these: Err http://debian.uchicago.edu testing/main Packages |
| 12:04.50 | sandman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.53 | mely | where is running with opie? |
| 12:04.54 | sandman | I run sid in a chroot |
| 12:05.18 | sandman | It just looked like package submissions aren't happening that quickly lately. |
| 12:05.51 | chea1 | sandman: example? |
| 12:05.55 | lindi- | i'm still wondering why eclipse hasn't appeared in unstable yet, it was in incoming yesterday :/ |
| 12:06.01 | mely | sandman:where is running with opie? whats kernel |
| 12:06.05 | chea1 | lindi-: it's still there |
| 12:06.25 | sandman | chea1: I ran apt-get update && apt-get upgrade day before yesterday, yesterday same, and today the same. No updates. I guess I'm used to sid getting updates every day :) |
| 12:06.31 | chea1 | !ops mely bot |
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| 12:06.32 | lindi- | chea1: where? i can't see it in http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 12:06.34 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity: mely bot |
| 12:07.06 | lindi- | chea1: http://incoming.debian.org/REPORT mentions that eclipse has been installed to pool/main but i can't see it there |
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| 12:09.03 | chea1 | lindi-: hum |
| 12:09.21 | sandman | So gnupg is a new feature of apt, yes? |
| 12:09.33 | chea1 | sandman: no... |
| 12:09.35 | chea1 | !gnupg |
| 12:09.35 | dpkg | gnupg is, like, the gnu privacy guard, a free replacement for PGP. at http://www.gnupg.org/ |
| 12:09.47 | sdogi | now, lets imagine a situation that you have a debian box running somewhere, it needs new packages, maybe even upgrade... getting this box to internet is impossible, what would you have to do to install those new packages |
| 12:10.06 | sandman | Okay. But debian is using that now instead of pgp? |
| 12:10.29 | SimonRaven | debian never used pgp, AFAIK |
| 12:10.44 | shay | it does |
| 12:10.46 | chea1 | sdogi: bring it .deb-s |
| 12:10.48 | sandman | So the fact that apt-get is using gnupg for package verification is something new, yes? |
| 12:10.50 | shay | apt6 has pgp checks |
| 12:11.05 | chea1 | sandman: rather (0.6) |
| 12:11.29 | SimonRaven | same protocol, different code base |
| 12:11.53 | sdogi | like, when i want to install audacity to this pc, i can't just put audacity dist file to cd, i need to add deps also... so like... do i need to manually download all the deps that audacity depends on and burn them to cd? or is there some other way, also, if i do that, there is a chance that there is slight version difference, and that can cause problems |
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| 12:12.53 | PerfDave | sdogi: Try looking at apt-zip |
| 12:12.54 | sdogi | can i do something like apt-prepare-cd audacity ...and it would download all the deps and the dep deps |
| 12:12.58 | sdogi | ahh |
| 12:12.59 | GutterPunk | Hi. I'm getting these strange segmentation faults when I'm compiling my kernel. I'm wondering if someone knows what might cause them. |
| 12:13.03 | sdogi | PerfDave: i'll try :) |
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| 12:13.38 | GutterPunk | I used to get them with the Machine Check Exc. (check_hlt()), so I disabled that... But now I get them in function 'sys_shed_yield" |
| 12:13.51 | PerfDave | The fact that apt is using openpgp signatures by default in etch is fairly new, it's been using them in sid for a while. Those signatures can be read by either PGP or GnuPG. |
| 12:14.09 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Have you checked your RAM? Why are you compiling a kernel instead of using apt-get? |
| 12:14.26 | GutterPunk | I just got this box. Friend gave it to me. It has an AMD Athlon CPU |
| 12:14.43 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Yessss... that doesn't answer either of my questions. |
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| 12:15.58 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: I haven't checked my ram |
| 12:16.04 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: what tool do you recommend? |
| 12:16.36 | notty | i get this error when i try to connect to a ssh server on my lan: # ssh 192.168.4.7 | Permission denied (publickey). can someone tell me what can i do about it ? |
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| 12:16.46 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: I'm sorry, I didn't see you message there ;) |
| 12:17.29 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: memtest86 or memtest86+ or similar, but it takes a while. |
| 12:17.36 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Why are you compiling a kernel instead of using apt-get? |
| 12:17.41 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: I've got time |
| 12:17.50 | spoopin | notty: is the server configured to accept password logins? try ssh -v user@foo or ssh -vv user@foo and have a look at the messages for hints |
| 12:18.13 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: because I like to... And I like having a kernel that's got what I need, and only what I need. Even if debian is very modular :) |
| 12:18.13 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Well, there are Debian packages, but it's sometimes easier to just download a memtest image, burn to CD or floppy, reboot and leave for 24 hours. |
| 12:18.21 | nige | hi all |
| 12:18.26 | GutterPunk | 24 friggin hours!? |
| 12:18.37 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: You've got time ;p |
| 12:18.39 | jm_ | you said you got time ;) |
| 12:18.39 | nige | I am having problems getting my ati raedon 9550 to work with daul moniors |
| 12:18.40 | nige | :( |
| 12:18.45 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: not *that* much :) |
| 12:18.46 | nige | anyone got any advise? |
| 12:19.06 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Well, I think you're an idiot, personally. Debian kernels have what you need, and only what you need. |
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| 12:19.14 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: But it's your machine, so hey. |
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| 12:19.27 | spoopin | GutterPunk: I used to do that too, until I needed functionality I didn't think I'd need at the time... |
| 12:19.30 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: thanks for givin me that extra bit of confidence right there |
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| 12:20.07 | notty | spoopin: take a look http://pastebin.com/408816 |
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| 12:20.19 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Think of all the extra time you could dedicate to testing your RAM if you weren't compiling your own kernel ;) |
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| 12:20.46 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: wow :) |
| 12:21.09 | spoopin | notty: you're trying to ssh in as root, which is probably disabled. Try it as a regular user. |
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| 12:21.17 | grumbel | I want to create a cronjob that ssh's to some other computer and does some backup job, however login in requires the ssh key and that is password locked. does anybody have a good idea to work around that (for example how could I reuse the ssh-agent from my current login in the crontab)? |
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| 12:21.38 | cmdKeen | Screen resolution is as set in X config but WMs having different resolution than screen is.... what can I do with that ? |
| 12:21.50 | notty | spoopin: not the case, but it's not working with an normal user ewither |
| 12:21.55 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: I'm used to gentoo (comes with the idiot territory), that's actually why I wanna compile all and everything |
| 12:22.05 | jm_ | grumbel: with appropriate command line variables |
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| 12:22.16 | jm_ | grumbel: or by using keys without a pass-phrase |
| 12:22.18 | grumbel | cmdKeen: Gnome and KDE have ways to change the screen res per user |
| 12:22.28 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Look, you've taken the first step and started using Debian, it's time to stand on your own two feet and realise that you don't need to waste your life compiling :) |
| 12:22.30 | cmdKeen | grumbel: I am in fluxbox |
| 12:22.33 | jm_ | grumbel: uhm I mean environment variables |
| 12:22.56 | cmdKeen | grumbel: and GDM has bad resolution too |
| 12:23.26 | grumbel | cmdKeen: might be that X doesn't accept your resolution then, have you checked the error logs of xfree? |
| 12:23.29 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: it's gonna be hard... but I'll try... but I can't live with errors so I need to fix this right... Can't just ignore it... But I'll use a debian kernel if it makes y'all happy (on the condition it makes me happy as well) |
| 12:23.35 | spoopin | notty: does your sshd_config contain the line 'PasswordAuthentication yes'? |
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| 12:24.05 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: but you know what I really hate... all that hotplug bullshit on bootup... Gawd I hate hotplug |
| 12:24.05 | notty | spoopin: no |
| 12:24.09 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: I suggested checking your RAM, it seems the most likely cause of the error. |
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| 12:24.24 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: and that's what I'll do first! |
| 12:24.28 | nige | how do i get modprobe to reconfnise my ati hardware? |
| 12:24.32 | notty | spoopin: that was the problem.. thx |
| 12:24.35 | grumbel | jm_: that would be SSH_AUTH_SOCK and SSH_AGENT_PID I guess, anyway to set them properly? or do I have to do my own grep/cut/sed to get the right values? |
| 12:24.46 | jm_ | GutterPunk: you don't have to install hotplug |
| 12:24.54 | spoopin | notty: no problem. Glad I could help. |
| 12:25.02 | xsquared | hi guys. How could i search recursively through a directory for files that are 0 bytes and remove them? |
| 12:25.02 | apt-get | how to install gnome? |
| 12:25.04 | GutterPunk | jm_: well it's just a base install :/ and it came with it |
| 12:25.16 | GutterPunk | jm_: how do I kick it from my hdd? |
| 12:25.28 | umbop | hey guys, i think my packages have been upgraded when i do an upgrade but for etch, rather than sarge, and now it's kind of caused a few problems weird ones wiht programs not functioning as they did, is there a way for me to downgrade to the updated packages for the version of debian (sarge) i have? |
| 12:25.29 | notty | spoopin: PubkeyAuthentication should be no also.... |
| 12:25.47 | apt-get | xsquared: man find |
| 12:25.49 | sandman | I'd like to run X applications that are installed in a chroot in an X server running outside of a chroot. Is this possible? |
| 12:25.49 | jm_ | grumbel: your current shell has them exported, so you'll need to get it into crontab somehow, probably using ls -l+sed+awk+whatever is the easiest |
| 12:26.05 | PerfDave | umbop: If you "upgraded" from Sarge to Etch, then you're running Etch, and you can only feasibly get back to Sarge by reinstalling. |
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| 12:26.18 | spoopin | notty: the default Debian configuration should allow both public key and password authentication. |
| 12:26.22 | PerfDave | sandman: Shouldn't be a problem. Use dchroot to copy your $DISPLAY across. |
| 12:26.23 | jm_ | GutterPunk: no, it's not in base - you can remove it, but my feeling is it will also remove a lot of other packages you're interested in, use simulation mode to find out |
| 12:26.26 | umbop | well i did an apt-get upgrade but i think it got it from testing due to my sources.list |
| 12:26.47 | grumbel | jm_: yep, throuble is that the current shell has no connection to the shell that is running via crontab |
| 12:26.51 | spoopin | notty: If public key authentication fails, it defaults to password. |
| 12:26.52 | umbop | hmm so i would to reinstall :-S |
| 12:27.15 | xsquared | apt-get: i want to delete them too |
| 12:27.15 | PerfDave | umbop: why did you put testing in your sources.list? |
| 12:27.21 | jm_ | grumbel: indeed, hence ls |
| 12:27.22 | sandman | PerfDave: I see. |
| 12:27.29 | grumbel | jm_: there is a ~/.ssh/agent-$HOST, that might do it |
| 12:27.31 | apt-get | xsquared: man find |
| 12:27.35 | sandman | dchroot -d? |
| 12:27.35 | umbop | it was an error, i copied and pasted it but didn't notice the testing, and erm until it was too late |
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| 12:27.38 | xsquared | apt-get: fuck you |
| 12:27.40 | nige | I get this mesage when I try to run gdm (EE) fglrx(0): vm86() syscall generated signal 4. |
| 12:27.40 | PerfDave | sandman: dchroot really is your friend for that sort of thing :) |
| 12:27.42 | apt-get | xsquared: you can exec {} on found filed |
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| 12:27.49 | cmdKeen | grumbel: /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? no errors here... |
| 12:27.52 | nige | any idea what it means or how to fix it?? |
| 12:28.01 | xsquared | im too tired for this |
| 12:28.04 | apt-get | xsquared: likewise. |
| 12:28.05 | xsquared | ttyl |
| 12:28.08 | grumbel | cmdKeen: can you switch to the 'right' resolution via Ctrl-Alt-+/-? |
| 12:28.17 | sandman | PerfDave: I get this when I dchroot -d: /bin/bash: root: No such file or directory |
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| 12:28.49 | grumbel | hm, ~/.ssh/agent-$HOST seems to be completly outdated, guess I need to find another file |
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| 12:29.13 | PerfDave | sandman: Hmm, sorry, I don't have access to my chroot system any more. But it was what worked for me. |
| 12:29.19 | cmdKeen | grumbel: you don't understand... I have right resolution (800x600) but worspace resolution is different (1024x768) so i don;t see whole workspace. |
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| 12:29.40 | grumbel | cmdKeen: can you scroll around? |
| 12:29.52 | cmdKeen | grumbel: yes |
| 12:30.20 | GutterPunk | PerfDave: you're right... I'm getting a lot of memory errors |
| 12:30.36 | grumbel | cmdKeen: to virtual screen resolution is the large one in your config |
| 12:30.47 | grumbel | cmdKeen: so make sure you don't have 1024x768 entries in your xorg.conf |
| 12:30.50 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: See, it didn't even take 24 hours ;) |
| 12:30.58 | grumbel | cmdKeen: or a Virtual 1024 768 entry |
| 12:31.03 | PerfDave | GutterPunk: Sorry to hear about that, but at least you know what the problem is :) |
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| 12:31.06 | sandman | Anyone here have experience with dchroot? It's failing for me.. |
| 12:32.51 | cmdKeen | grumbel: oh.... I thought first entry is taken.... thanks a lot |
| 12:32.52 | nige | it condenses my screen |
| 12:32.55 | nige | its very very strang |
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| 12:35.35 | jm_ | grumbel: it's ssh-tmpname here |
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| 12:36.48 | cmdKeen | why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 don't save values to XF86Config ? |
| 12:37.02 | TGoC | Hello how can i see what my debian is configured on? (Eth settings.) Cause i got a new router and i has different subnetmask etc |
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| 12:37.42 | TGoC | I also need to be able to adjust them ^^ |
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| 12:38.12 | jm_ | cmdKeen: /msg dpkg xmd5 |
| 12:38.12 | bibe | TGoC : /sbin/ifconfig |
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| 12:38.24 | TGoC | let's see |
| 12:38.26 | TGoC | brb |
| 12:39.01 | Horde | hmm how do i get my usb card to work? it doesent seem to be reading it |
| 12:39.26 | Luftzig | It's alive! ALIVE! I have loaded the correct modules for my mouse, and it works. thanks for all who helped me o'er here |
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| 12:39.37 | floydwilde | what is: 679/tcp open unknown |
| 12:40.21 | TGoC | how can i change them bibe? |
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| 12:40.37 | sdogi | PerfDave: tricky little tool, but suits very well for this task, thank you |
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| 12:41.08 | Alpha1 | hi :D |
| 12:41.28 | Alpha1 | it looks like debian's mysql isn't listening on port 3306 for remote mysql connections, any ideas on how to fix it? |
| 12:41.45 | bibe | hi Alpha1 |
| 12:41.45 | Alpha1 | ie, stuff works from localhost, but I get connection refused when I try from a different box |
| 12:41.50 | Alpha1 | ello bibe |
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| 12:42.23 | cmdKeen | jm_ thanks again |
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| 12:42.40 | newcup | TGoC: you can change the settings with ifconfig, but check the /etc/network/interfaces too |
| 12:42.41 | _dexter | hi |
| 12:42.44 | bibe | you have to comment out the bind-address directive into /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 12:42.57 | Alpha1 | oh, that 127.0.0.1 part? |
| 12:43.06 | bibe | Alpha1 : no, all the line |
| 12:43.14 | Alpha1 | yay thanks++ bibe |
| 12:43.15 | TGoC | k |
| 12:43.15 | pybe | just spotted a unusual sustained connection coming through my firewall on an http port thats redirected to another machine its been sitting at about 30kbps for an hour now, what can I run on the box to see what that connection is doing? lsof -i doesnt show anything...... |
| 12:43.19 | dregan | I wanted to install postfix with SASL "Simple Authentication and Security Layer" but the apt-get install said that the packages "libsas12" "libsas12-modules" "libsas12-modules-sql" "sas12-bin" could not be found. I cannot find a reliable postfix howto? |
| 12:43.50 | bbrazil | pybe: tethereal |
| 12:43.58 | Shadur | What's the best filesystem type to write really damn big files to? Largest one will be upwards of ten gig. |
| 12:43.58 | bibe | Alpha1 : or if you have multiple network interfaces and you want to use only one, set it to the interface's ip address (but I never did it, so I don't know if it works) |
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| 12:44.18 | floydwilde | anyone know why 679/tcp would be open on a sarge server? |
| 12:44.31 | bbrazil | floydwilde: netstat -nlp |
| 12:44.35 | bibe | Alpha1 : and remember to restart mysql daemon to get the changes |
| 12:45.37 | mely | PDA |
| 12:45.42 | Shadur | FS itself will be about 37 gigabyte, btw. |
| 12:46.05 | bbrazil | Shadur: as a vague guess look at XFS |
| 12:46.50 | Alpha1 | thanks bibe I'll give it a whirl |
| 12:47.50 | pybe | bbrazil: using iftop on the firewall itshows the connection from http => 1266 apache logs dont show anything I can see and tethereal isnt picking up anything with grep 1266 |
| 12:48.07 | sha1sum | good morning all |
| 12:48.25 | bbrazil | pybe: tethereal -i eth0 'port 1266' (assuming eth0) |
| 12:48.25 | Shadur | bbrazil: Would be the easiest, I guess, as I'm already using XFS on everything else. :) |
| 12:49.39 | bbrazil | pybe: also I think apache logs only show once the transfer is finished |
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| 12:49.51 | pybe | bbrazil: showing nothing on tethereal -i eth0 'port 1266' either |
| 12:50.08 | bbrazil | pybe: you sure this is going over eth0? |
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| 12:50.22 | pybe | yep only one eth |
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| 12:50.39 | bbrazil | pybe: its not going over say lo? |
| 12:51.41 | pybe | running iftop on the firewall shows 83.245.15.217:http => mybox:1266 |
| 12:52.07 | pybe | so the connection goes 83.245.15.217 => myfirewall => mybox |
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| 12:52.30 | TGoC | I corrected my ETH* info restarted my machine but still no internet connection |
| 12:53.11 | TGoC | IP: 192.168.6.253 , Broadcast IP: 192.168.6.255 , netmask 255.255.255.0 , gateway 192.168.1.1 |
| 12:53.22 | tadas | what is the main(biggest) deb packages server? |
| 12:53.23 | bbrazil | pybe: wait now, where are you running tethereal? |
| 12:53.32 | pybe | bbrazil: on mybox |
| 12:53.42 | bbrazil | pybe: right, do you have any nat rules? |
| 12:53.56 | pybe | not on mybox |
| 12:54.15 | bbrazil | netstat -an | grep 1266 on mybox |
| 12:54.34 | TGoC | How can i set it on DHCP? |
| 12:54.47 | bbrazil | TGoC: man 5 interfaces |
| 12:55.01 | TGoC | k |
| 12:55.09 | bbrazil | TGoC: also your gateway and netmask are inconsistant |
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| 12:55.31 | pybe | bbrazil: mmmm shows nothing |
| 12:55.45 | bbrazil | pybe: this classifies as dodgy |
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| 12:56.08 | bbrazil | pybe: is the firewall doing any nat stuff? |
| 12:56.14 | georg | hello |
| 12:56.41 | georg | was geht so? |
| 12:56.54 | pybe | bbrazil: yes, imgoing to check dns see if its gone strange with an ipchange and an old hostname |
| 12:57.12 | bbrazil | pybe: thats why I gave '-n' to netstat |
| 12:57.27 | bbrazil | pybe: this problem can be handled without any dns |
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| 12:58.14 | bbrazil | pybe: try tethereal (or tcpdump) running on the firewall on 'host 83.245.15.217' |
| 12:58.23 | pybe | bbrazil: iftop is running with ips resolved and the name it is saying is an old name for one of my linux boxes |
| 12:58.45 | georg | is this a gay chat? |
| 12:58.47 | pybe | bbrazil: gonna run with out resolve and check which ip its going to |
| 12:58.54 | bbrazil | pybe: thats the best idea |
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| 12:59.16 | mjk64 | georg: more like a geek chat =) |
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| 12:59.31 | georg | what is geek? |
| 12:59.44 | sha1sum | me |
| 12:59.50 | mjk64 | georg: A computer fanatic |
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| 12:59.57 | georg | can anybody speak german |
| 13:00.05 | jm_ | yes, many people can |
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| 13:00.09 | sha1sum | either a computer fanatic or a meth addict |
| 13:00.14 | mjk64 | georg: Sure, I can. But this is an English channel. :-) |
| 13:00.26 | bbrazil | !de |
| 13:00.27 | dpkg | hmm... de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - German speaking users please go to #debian.de |
| 13:00.28 | zignig | I have to debian boxes connected by an openvpn, does anyone know how to re-broadcast multicast at over the vpn ? |
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| 13:00.50 | zignig | I could just ethernet brodge them, but i'd rather not. |
| 13:00.56 | zignig | *bridge |
| 13:01.03 | georg | gay chanell? |
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| 13:01.19 | mjk64 | georg: But in #debian.de, you're supposed to put your real name as ircname (which is why I'm not on #debian.de (yet)). |
| 13:01.38 | TGoC | Howto restart eth0 without having to friggin reboot untill i have all settings correct? |
| 13:01.52 | zignig | TGoC: ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
| 13:01.56 | TGoC | /sajoin georg #gay |
| 13:01.56 | setog3 | hi , I can't run Xorg , I have this error : could not open default font 'fixed' , I try to reinstall all my X package , reinstall x-window-system-core .. but don't work , X start and clause imediatly without drawing mouse please help me |
| 13:02.00 | jm_ | TGoC: man ifdown; man ifup; man invoke-rc.d |
| 13:02.02 | TGoC | thanks zignig |
| 13:02.05 | TGoC | thanks jm_ |
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| 13:02.22 | zignig | TGoC: don't lock yourself you if you are accessing the box remotely |
| 13:02.29 | pybe | bbrazil: damn windows dns hadn't picked up an ipchange and was resolving to a wrong name, is pointing to the marketing guy's pc, as its sustained @ 30kbps I expect he is listening to web radio |
| 13:02.32 | xoz | TGoC: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:02.33 | jm_ | setogs;tried regenerating fonts files? |
| 13:02.45 | bbrazil | pybe: all is good then |
| 13:02.50 | setog3 | jm_ how ? |
| 13:02.54 | pybe | bbrazil: seems |
| 13:02.54 | zignig | bork! |
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| 13:03.15 | jm_ | setog3: man update-fonts-alias (misc dir has fixed font) |
| 13:03.17 | bbrazil | pybe: doesn't hurt as an exercise to watch the stream, although privacy issues must be considered |
| 13:03.58 | sdogi | anyone knows how could i download .deb's for every package i have installed |
| 13:04.06 | sdogi | to that /var/cache/apt/ dir |
| 13:04.11 | dregan | I wanted to install postfix with SASL "Simple Authentication and Security Layer" but the apt-get install said that the packages "libsas12" "libsas12-modules""libsas12-modules- sql" "sas12-bin" could not be found. The packages.debian.org allows deb files to be downloaded. Why will apt-get or aptitude get them? |
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| 13:04.17 | zignig | sdogi: have a look at apt-proxy |
| 13:04.26 | sdogi | i want to install exacly same stuff on another system |
| 13:04.38 | zignig | sdogi: identical box ? |
| 13:04.39 | xoz | sdogi: dpkg --get-selections |
| 13:04.54 | sdogi | yeah, but also the another box is not networked |
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| 13:05.01 | sdogi | so i have to use cd/dvd |
| 13:05.05 | jm_ | sdogi: apt-zip |
| 13:05.08 | zignig | sdogi: ah. :) |
| 13:05.11 | bbrazil | sdogi: apt-zip |
| 13:05.12 | xoz | sdogi: are you even listening |
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| 13:05.16 | sdogi | checked apt-zip actually |
| 13:05.26 | bbrazil | just grab all 14 CDs :) |
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| 13:05.38 | zignig | I used apt-zip for ages , then I got ADSL ;) |
| 13:05.57 | PerfDave | dregan: It sounds like your apt sources are broken, try tunning apt-setup |
| 13:05.58 | sdogi | it is ok tool, but you see, the problem is, i have to travel 200 km's then do apt-zip-list on that box, then travel 200 km's back, fetch packages, then go back again and isntall the packages |
| 13:06.10 | setog3 | jm I have update with font alias don't work too |
| 13:06.15 | sdogi | ok not that dramatical, but almost |
| 13:06.19 | zignig | sdogi: why not get network on the other box , much easier.... ;) |
| 13:06.26 | dregan | PerfDave:Thanks, ok |
| 13:06.30 | jm_ | setog3: is misc dir in your font path? did it put fixed font in fonts.alias file? |
| 13:06.34 | sdogi | true, but i just can't :) |
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| 13:06.42 | sdogi | xoz: no, i'm reading :) |
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| 13:06.53 | xoz | sdogi: dpkg --get-selections ... and dpkg --set-selections |
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| 13:07.25 | PerfDave | sdogi: Why not just download both Sarge DVDs and be done with it? :) |
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| 13:08.07 | setog3 | jm_ misc dir is in my font path |
| 13:08.14 | jm_ | setog3: how do you know? |
| 13:08.24 | setog3 | in my /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 13:08.27 | sdogi | PerfDave: i guess i'll just use apt-zip-list there then, go to some public wifi area, download stuff to my laptop and then burn cd and install the stuff |
| 13:08.31 | jm_ | ok, and the other question? |
| 13:08.55 | setog3 | how can I know if it put fixed font in font alias file |
| 13:08.57 | sdogi | PerfDave: although if i could do something like apt-get-debs-for-all-installed-packages , it would be much easier :) |
| 13:09.02 | PerfDave | sdogi: Why not just download both Sarge DVDs and be done with it? :) |
| 13:09.02 | jm_ | grep '^fixed' /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/fonts.alias |
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| 13:09.14 | jm_ | hopefully that's the same with X.org |
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| 13:09.27 | sdogi | PerfDave: actually i don't have dvd burner :( |
| 13:09.27 | *** part/#debian airox (n=airox@unaffiliated/airox) |
| 13:09.27 | sdogi | only cd |
| 13:09.39 | sdogi | anyway, i think i found solution, thanks for help |
| 13:09.43 | sdogi | PerfDave: apt-zip is great tool :) |
| 13:09.44 | sdogi | later |
| 13:09.51 | sdogi | PerfDave: could be better though, hehe |
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| 13:09.52 | sdogi | bye |
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| 13:10.26 | tnks | Has anybody here used Mondo? |
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| 13:10.36 | PerfDave | sdogi: Heh, I just bought a set of Debian 3.1 DVDs, it makes life much easier :) |
| 13:10.38 | KetuaLembuLaut | i wonder is it normal esd (sound server) was too heavy..? |
| 13:10.39 | setog3 | I haven't font.alias in that dir |
| 13:10.53 | jm_ | you don't? how did you run update-fonts-alias? |
| 13:11.08 | setog3 | update-fonts-alias misc |
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| 13:11.21 | tnks | I was wondering how Mondo does it's full "live update" with respect to underlying processes that might be doing things like writing to log files. |
| 13:11.37 | jm_ | setog3: do you at least have it in /etc/X11/fonts/misc? |
| 13:11.52 | setog3 | jm_ nothing in /etc/X11/fonts/misc |
| 13:12.09 | setog3 | in /etc/X11/fonts/100dpi nothing too , same for all |
| 13:12.21 | jm_ | setog3: do you have xfonts-base installed? |
| 13:12.27 | setog3 | yes |
| 13:12.33 | jm_ | try dpkg -L xfonts-base |
| 13:12.58 | jm_ | does it show /etc/X11/.../*alias file? |
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| 13:13.16 | TGoC | http://85.146.48.221 what do you see? |
| 13:13.29 | georg | LOL |
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| 13:13.33 | TGoC | GOOD :) |
| 13:13.45 | setog3 | jm yeah for example /etc/X11/fonts/misc/xfonts-base.alias |
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| 13:13.58 | jm_ | setog3: reinstall the package - someone deleted those files |
| 13:14.12 | jm_ | I strongly suggest you do the same for all other packages that are missing files |
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| 13:15.01 | setog3 | jm I do apt-get install --reinstall for all X package, |
| 13:15.08 | setog3 | I use the L in aptitude, |
| 13:15.15 | setog3 | I don't know what to do more ? |
| 13:15.21 | TGoC | and 85.146.48.221:6667 (ircd) ? |
| 13:16.01 | jm_ | setog3: it probably requires confmiss reinstall -- /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 13:16.55 | jm_ | yup, it's a config file |
| 13:17.05 | jm_ | I hope you have learned an important lesson |
| 13:17.18 | setog3 | thx I try jm_ |
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| 13:17.56 | TGoC | Does the irc run on 85.146.48.221:6667 |
| 13:18.02 | TGoC | Someone please check |
| 13:19.51 | loxley_ | TGoC: no |
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| 13:20.09 | TGoC | what error? |
| 13:20.12 | hron | !releases |
| 13:20.12 | dpkg | methinks releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 13:20.19 | loxley_ | TGoC: refused.. |
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| 13:20.44 | TGoC | mmz |
| 13:21.09 | loxley_ | TGoC: firewall or listening on wrong ip perhaps |
| 13:21.20 | TGoC | i know |
| 13:21.25 | TGoC | try again now |
| 13:21.33 | TGoC | Fixed port forwarding |
| 13:21.49 | setog3 | jm now I have my xfont-base.alias in /etc/X11/fonts/misc |
| 13:21.58 | loxley_ | TGoC: nope |
| 13:22.09 | jm_ | setog3: yes, you should also have it in /usr/X11/... |
| 13:22.47 | TGoC | and on port 6669? |
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| 13:23.05 | setog3 | ok jm, now I have other error but not about font th |
| 13:23.06 | setog3 | x |
| 13:23.59 | loxley_ | TGoC: works |
| 13:24.00 | TGoC | yep |
| 13:24.01 | TGoC | thx |
| 13:24.44 | setog3 | I haven't Xsession , how can I know in which package is this file ? |
| 13:24.53 | jm_ | !tell setog3 -about search |
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| 13:25.36 | cmdKeen | how can i change which dialog mode eill be used when dpkg-reconiguring ? |
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| 13:25.43 | jm_ | man dpkg-reconfigure |
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| 13:26.25 | cmdKeen | jm_: heh, thanks agai:] |
| 13:26.49 | tarzeau | ok, the quadra has 32mb memory and i need a larger harddisk and a cd-rom drive for it... |
| 13:26.54 | wam | Hi! How can I see, what a user does when he is logged in via konsole? I'd like to see what a user enters and which output he sees. I'm on the computer via ssh. |
| 13:27.03 | setog3 | ok now I can run X , thx jm , and thx debian chanel for this realy good bot dpkg |
| 13:27.09 | tarzeau | wam: ask him to use screen |
| 13:27.36 | jm_ | wam: screen, there's also kernel module for this |
| 13:27.52 | wam | tarzeau: this would require apt-get. But this is the problem. No (correct) resolv. That's why I'd like to connect to the term... |
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| 13:28.01 | jm_ | wam: or ttysnoop |
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| 13:29.04 | mjk64 | jm_: A kernel module for screen? |
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| 13:30.41 | jm_ | mjk64: no, for stealing FD-s |
| 13:31.09 | mjk64 | jm_: cool ... although I don't need it. :-) |
| 13:31.10 | lindi- | strace will work from user space too |
| 13:31.20 | mjk64 | jm_: What's it named? |
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| 13:32.47 | Esaj | how do I make python 2.4 be used by default instead of python 2.3? |
| 13:33.30 | jm_ | mjk64: I wish I would remember |
| 13:34.15 | mjk64 | jm_: I was trying "apt-cache search steal", but no usable results ... oh, well, it's not that important, was just curious. |
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| 13:35.43 | jm_ | I will try to find it |
| 13:35.48 | xoz | Esaj: ln ? |
| 13:35.55 | _dexter | are there any helper tools for creating debs from src? |
| 13:36.05 | mjk64 | jm_: It's not "lkl", or? |
| 13:36.19 | xtf | Hi. Why is mod_ssl for Apache2 configured by default to enable eNULL No encoding as cipher? |
| 13:36.20 | timo | _dexter, dh_make is a good start |
| 13:36.25 | xoz | dpkg-buildpackage |
| 13:36.33 | kurumin | ola |
| 13:36.41 | jm_ | mjk64: nope |
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| 13:36.58 | kurumin | rayyyyyy] |
| 13:37.05 | timo | _dexter, that is, if the source is not already debianized. in that case, what xoz said |
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| 13:38.29 | _dexter | timo, xoz: there *is* - and building those works fine. Thing is, I need to compile a cvs code of an package |
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| 13:38.49 | _dexter | namely gtk2-engined-gtk-qt. latest available is 0.6, I need cvs |
| 13:39.34 | xoz | dpkg, are you alive? |
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| 13:39.52 | asg | !test |
| 13:39.52 | dpkg | No, asg, you're not online any more. |
| 13:40.04 | dregan | As suggested by PerfDave, I ran apt-setup to fix problem - this made no difference to not downloading "libsas12 libsas12-modules libsas12-modules- sql sas12-bin" all other files were ok in """ apt-get -s install postfix postfix-mysql postfix-doc mysql-client mysql-server courier-authdaemon courier-authmysql courier-pop courier-pop-ssl courier-imap courier-imap-ssl postfix-tls libsas12... |
| 13:40.06 | dregan | ...libsas12-modules libsas12-modules-sql sas12-bin libpam-mysql openssl phpmyadmin """ ... Can anyone suggest a postfix install howto that works that doesn't require libsas... I have searched the web for several hours |
| 13:41.26 | nekostar | cyall after work |
| 13:42.28 | sep | dregan, and why exactly can't you just let it install the libsasl packages ? |
| 13:43.17 | dregan | sep: apt-get gives 'E: Couldn't find package libsas12' and bombs out |
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| 13:43.36 | sep | dregan, paste your sources into #flood |
| 13:43.44 | Jaime | hola |
| 13:43.47 | timo | _dexter, dh_make. you can use the debian source for the package and just modify the files in debian/ directory |
| 13:43.58 | dregan | sep:ok, thanks |
| 13:44.18 | sep | dregan, you have apt-get update after the apt-setup ? |
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| 13:44.56 | jm_ | mjk64: damn can't find it now, I'm sure it's in my logs somewhere |
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| 13:45.17 | jc__ | good afternoon |
| 13:45.19 | dregan | sep: I did that and re-run the apt-get request - same problem |
| 13:45.37 | sep | amd athlon 64 X2 that would need the AMD64 port of debian right ? |
| 13:45.50 | sep | dregan, and that's a regular sarge install ? |
| 13:45.58 | jm_ | you can run x86 on it |
| 13:46.01 | Jaime | de qué va esto? |
| 13:46.03 | dregan | sep: yes sir |
| 13:46.10 | jc__ | how to no cache but allow a determined site on squid proxy ? |
| 13:46.21 | asg | jc__: #squid |
| 13:46.24 | sep | dregan, strange since my sarge pulled postfix and sasl right with no problems |
| 13:46.27 | zignig | sep: you can run either, but amd64 does not have flash. |
| 13:46.48 | sep | is there any added benefit from running AMD64 ? |
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| 13:46.53 | zignig | sep: otherwise it's great , i'm running 64 debian testing , on this machine atm. |
| 13:47.05 | zignig | sep: it's twice as wide and normal debian ? |
| 13:47.09 | zignig | sep: ;) |
| 13:47.17 | zignig | s/and/as |
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| 13:47.38 | _dexter | timo: ok I'll see if I can fit it in there. |
| 13:47.40 | sep | substancial performange gain then |
| 13:47.51 | dregan | sep: I just dropped the sources.list into flood - if thats ok |
| 13:48.05 | zignig | sep: runs pretty fast for me. |
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| 13:48.57 | sep | dregan, rm /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-setup |
| 13:49.01 | PerfDave | dregan: Hang on, you've got the package names wrong - apt-cache search sasl |
| 13:49.05 | bertheau | How do I rebuild a library with debug information? |
| 13:49.19 | sep | you ahve both .us and au sources. and non-us is not used anymore iirc |
| 13:49.23 | PerfDave | dregan: You're writing "sas12" instead of "sasl2". |
| 13:49.46 | PerfDave | dregan: BTW, you do know that apt-get pulls in dependencies automatically, right? You don't need to specify them all on the command line. |
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| 13:50.26 | Steven | What would be the best way to disable hotplug? |
| 13:50.28 | JosephSpiros | Hmm, so I have two identical machines, both running etch with all the same packages at the same version (and the latest version as of an hour ago) |
| 13:50.34 | sep | dregan, i just apt-get install postfix and all is fine. |
| 13:50.46 | Steven | Cause it's annoying and it slows down bootup a lot |
| 13:50.47 | dregan | PerfDave: I have been at this for 7 hours staight and need a magnifying glass and a minder - thanks |
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| 13:51.06 | PerfDave | dregan: Go chill out, have a cup of tea, take your eyes away from th VDU for a while :) |
| 13:51.17 | JosephSpiros | and yet one machine has /etc/network/run/ifstate, /etc/rc0.d/S36ifupdown, and /etc/rc6.d/S36ifupdown, whereas the other one doesn't |
| 13:52.03 | antgel | PerfDave: VDU? what decade is this? :) |
| 13:52.17 | PerfDave | antgel: Hey, I'm still using a CRT :) |
| 13:52.33 | dregan | sep: thank you for your help also, apt-get is happily working away now! |
| 13:54.08 | dregan | I am about to connect two monitors to my pc - using radeon 9250 graphics card, I know this works in windows XP ( ugh!), can I get the 2 displays working in debian? |
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| 13:55.12 | PerfDave | dregan: Depends on ATI really ;) |
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| 13:55.48 | dregan | PerfDave: is ATI the connection to a lcd display |
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| 13:55.58 | PerfDave | dregan: No, ATI is the manufacturer of your graphics card :) |
| 13:56.24 | dregan | PerfDave: er - thank you |
| 13:56.30 | Armagedec | Hi. What I need to do for new linux-2.6.13-1? I just trying to apt-get install linux-image, but why I don't see kernel-image in list of packages to remove? |
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| 13:56.41 | JosephSpiros | anyone have any idea why one would have those files and other wouldn't |
| 13:56.47 | JosephSpiros | I searched packages.debian.org package contents |
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| 13:56.59 | chealer | Armagedec, you don't have to remove kernel-image packages |
| 13:57.00 | PerfDave | Armagedec: You can have many different kernels installed simultaneously, they dont' conflict with each other. |
| 13:57.02 | JosephSpiros | couldn't find any with the S36ifupdown file |
| 13:57.56 | bk | how to disable ls's sort ignoring dot file significance? ie: I want all dot files before "a" |
| 13:58.21 | Armagedec | PerfDave, Ok. Thanks...As I right understand you, new kernel (linux-image) will be installed, and I can remove old kernel-image later? |
| 13:58.39 | PerfDave | Armagedec: Yes, they'll be added to your bootloader menu and you can select which one you want at boot. |
| 13:59.00 | Armagedec | PerfDave, I really thank you. |
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| 14:04.08 | tnks | all right, I have a question. Let's say I'm installing a pre-compiled Debian kernel package, say kernel-image-2.4-686. This package says that it's dependant on the lastest 2.4 kernel. Will my kernel actually upgrade with apt-get upgrade? Even while the kernel is in use? Couldn't that lead to some problems? |
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| 14:04.30 | PerfDave | tnks: Yes, yes, no :) |
| 14:05.12 | D|G|TAL | until you reboot you are fine. :D |
| 14:06.27 | tnks | PerfDave, but when I install a custom-compiled kernel, I get messages that warn me about running the kernel that I'm installing. I forget exactly what the messages are, but what's the issue there? |
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| 14:06.27 | chealer | tnks, you need to dist-upgrade if it's a "major" kernel upgrade (say 2.4.27->2.4.31) |
| 14:06.54 | chealer | tnks, it's the same major kernel version |
| 14:07.19 | roberto | help is swat 192.168.0.1:901 no |
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| 14:07.51 | tnks | chealer, so for minor upgrades, will the new kernel just be ready for the next bootup? |
| 14:07.54 | roberto | what the port swat ?? |
| 14:08.01 | brosioz | how could i make an iso image of my debian system for backup ? |
| 14:08.06 | asg | brosioz: bootcd |
| 14:08.35 | asg | brosioz: it'll snapshot your current system and give you a bootable live cd which can be written back to disk. |
| 14:08.55 | brosioz | asg, but could i copy all cd |
| 14:09.06 | brosioz | on hd |
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| 14:09.15 | brosioz | if it is all 100% free |
| 14:09.17 | asg | brosioz: yes unless your system is larger than will fit on a single cd. |
| 14:09.33 | brosioz | asg, i suppose that work |
| 14:09.36 | brosioz | also with dvd... |
| 14:09.43 | zignig | asg: fnord! |
| 14:09.44 | asg | brosioz: that I don't know |
| 14:09.55 | asg | zignig: Get Slack |
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| 14:10.08 | scanwinder | what package has ssl.h in it? |
| 14:10.23 | asg | scanwinder: apt-file search include/ssl.h |
| 14:10.32 | zignig | asg: i'm reallllly slack already, any slacker i'd be dead |
| 14:10.34 | RichiH | !away |
| 14:10.34 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. |
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| 14:10.47 | RichiH | !tell leandro about away |
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| 14:10.57 | scanwinder | asg: it says command not found |
| 14:11.00 | luddite | curious question .. if i apt-get remove mysql* and apache* and php4* and then reinstall will that bring me back to ground zero.. (i'm practicing) |
| 14:11.02 | D|G|TAL | roberto: cat /etc/services | grep "swat" |
| 14:11.06 | asg | scanwinder: install it |
| 14:11.11 | asg | !apt-file |
| 14:11.12 | dpkg | methinks apt-file is util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
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| 14:11.37 | asg | scanwinder: if that doesn't find it, loosen the search parameters (a. la. apt-file search ssl.h) |
| 14:11.44 | chealer | tnks, be ready? how could it not be ready? |
| 14:11.51 | RichiH | !find ssl.h |
| 14:12.08 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ssl.h' (6 of 42): (/usr/include/bitchx/ssl.h) in devel/bitchx-dev ;; (/usr/include/ptclib/pssl.h) in libdevel/libpt-dev ;; (/usr/include/kannel/gwlib/ssl.h) in devel/kannel-dev ;; (/usr/include/neon/ne_ssl.h) in libdevel/libneon24-dev ;; (/usr/include/kvirc/3.2.0/kvi_ssl.h) in devel/kvirc-dev ;; (/usr/include/mozilla/nss/ssl.h) in libdevel/libnss-dev. |
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| 14:12.39 | tnks | chea1er, I mean, the new kernel will be used after the next boot. |
| 14:13.11 | Shorty` | http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update94.tar.gz |
| 14:13.13 | Shorty` | err |
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| 14:13.57 | chealer | tnks, that just depends on which one you select after you reboot |
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| 14:14.10 | Yarou | lolol |
| 14:14.16 | samuel | are there any programs that rip dvds and encode them as smaller format files? say for a handheld? |
| 14:14.40 | hanz | how to download a whole directory via wget? |
| 14:14.54 | hanz | http |
| 14:14.54 | Guerin | hanz: man wget |
| 14:15.06 | Guerin | samuel: transcode, mencoder |
| 14:15.30 | samuel | Guerin, thx |
| 14:15.54 | _dexter | timo: ok, I ran dh_make in the src dir. do I ./configure before building or will dpkg-buildpackage do that fo rme..? |
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| 14:18.44 | pjota | Hi there, mates |
| 14:19.02 | pjota | where can i found a way to install pre-compiled kernel image for Debian? |
| 14:19.16 | PerfDave | pjota: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 14:19.18 | asg | pjota: apt-get install kernel-image ; pick and install one from the resultant list |
| 14:19.25 | timo | _dexter, dpkg-buildpackage will handle everything as long as debian/rules files is in order |
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| 14:19.58 | timo | _dexter, you should refer to the new maintainer's guide on debian.org |
| 14:20.00 | sandman | I need some help with an error message I'm getting with dchroot.. nobody has been able to help me so far |
| 14:20.00 | pjota | i don't have to change nothing in my sources.list? |
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| 14:20.22 | _dexter | ok |
| 14:20.32 | asg | pjota: no, that command will list all available kernel images for your version of Debian |
| 14:20.47 | pjota | ok, thanks a lot |
| 14:20.58 | pshaggy | My machine has started locking up with a "Bad page state at prep_new_page" error. I've googled and I see that lots of other people are having the same problems but no one seems to have a solution. Anyone have any info about this? |
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| 14:21.26 | asg | pshaggy: memory issues, block issues in swap. Try running memtest86 |
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| 14:21.45 | zumbi | !hi |
| 14:21.46 | dpkg | hello, zumbi |
| 14:21.58 | pjota | somebody knows some good gnome chanel? |
| 14:22.07 | sussudio | pjota: #midgets |
| 14:22.10 | Mage\work | #pr0n |
| 14:22.17 | pjota | thanks, sussudio |
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| 14:22.38 | PerfDave | #smallceramicmenwithfishingrods |
| 14:23.19 | pattieja | morning |
| 14:23.22 | Phated | sussudio: Heh. |
| 14:23.23 | pattieja | stew, morning |
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| 14:24.00 | stew | !morning |
| 14:24.00 | dpkg | i heard morning is the early day after yesterday |
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| 14:25.08 | pattieja | stew, wOOt, xoz, thanks for helping me find snoopy |
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| 14:25.29 | stew | w00t |
| 14:25.44 | pattieja | anybody know if chkrootkit does a strings egrep check for cursewords and porn? |
| 14:26.03 | Guerin | pattieja: nope. Why would it? |
| 14:26.06 | loxley_ | pattieja: ? |
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| 14:26.18 | pattieja | I think I've traced snoopy's output back to the chkrootkit launched at 6:25am, but I'm not sure |
| 14:26.27 | pattieja | I'm seeing that show up in snoopy's output |
| 14:26.55 | Guerin | pattieja: make sure you bring a plastic bag to the park in case snoopy makes any more output, ok? |
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| 14:27.06 | pattieja | Guerin, :) |
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| 14:28.24 | tombs | hi all |
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| 14:31.58 | vir_db | Hi folks |
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| 14:32.29 | cmdKeen | oh my goddess... where can i set apache2s www root ? |
| 14:32.34 | klync | i'm trying to get libneon to trust my self-signed ssl certificate by putting it in /etc/ssl/certs/ ...anybody have an idea what i'm doing wrong? |
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| 14:33.10 | klync | cmdKeen: depends on how your config is broken out.... grep for "DocumentRoot" |
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| 14:34.46 | pjota | what's the difference between kernel-image-x.x.x and kernel-image-x.x.x-smp? |
| 14:35.14 | asg | pjota: the later is used for HT processors or >1 CPU |
| 14:35.18 | klync | pjota: smp == multiprocessor support |
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| 14:35.53 | pjota | okay |
| 14:36.05 | pjota | sounds like Soporte Multi Procesador |
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| 14:36.25 | BucFIELD | hey all |
| 14:36.25 | klync | pjota: s == symmetrical |
| 14:36.25 | abrotman | !tell pjota about smp |
| 14:36.40 | BucFIELD | anyone know of a linux internet cafe software? |
| 14:37.18 | pjota | simmetrical multiprocesor package? |
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| 14:37.27 | pjota | trying luck |
| 14:37.37 | Guerin | Buc: wth does that mean? |
| 14:37.47 | tarzeau | finally i catched yoe |
| 14:37.56 | tarzeau | and got the tip for EMILE .. |
| 14:38.07 | Wille88 | is it possible to install debian from knoppix? |
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| 14:38.23 | Guerin | Wille88: yes. use debootstrap |
| 14:38.25 | Mage\work | Wille88: why do you want to do that ? |
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| 14:39.04 | Buc | Guerin that will allow admin. of internet cafe terminals and user accounts |
| 14:39.14 | Wille88 | Mage\work: because I have knoppix and I'm too lazy to download the cds |
| 14:39.33 | Guerin | Buc: you're going to have to be 1000% more specific. |
| 14:39.59 | Buc | Guerin something like this but for linux: http://www.antamedia.com/caffe/index.htm |
| 14:39.59 | asg | Wille88: you only need a 40M netinstall disc if your networking hardware is supported |
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| 14:40.07 | Guerin | Buc: i'd just set up a bunch of thick clients and a central server |
| 14:40.15 | vir_db | I want to report a bug (wishlist) , but I dont' know if the right package is debconf or dpkg .... when during a dist-upgrade the system ask if I want use my version of a script or the maintainer version, is'nt possible select a "All" solution. What's right package to report bug? |
| 14:40.30 | tarzeau | !kiosk |
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| 14:41.24 | Guerin | Buc: why would you need that sort of shit? |
| 14:41.25 | Wille88 | asg: yes, but I also have to burn it and I don't have any empty cds :P |
| 14:41.32 | tarzeau | dpkg kiosk is /bin/su -c "/usr/bin/X11/startx" - kiosk (/usr/sbin/kiosk); kk:2345:respawn:/usr/sbin/kiosk (/etc/inittab); telinit q |
| 14:41.33 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 14:41.38 | metaperl | I installed this package glade (http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/glade) but I dont know what files it installed. How can Ifind this out? |
| 14:41.43 | Buc | Guerin it would be nice if there were an app like that out there for linux so i could auto log off users after their purchased amount of time has expired |
| 14:41.45 | phyrster | a question about /etc/environment. When windows manager starts, does WMs read or source that file? |
| 14:42.06 | tarzeau | metaperl: dpkg -L glade |
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| 14:42.10 | Guerin | Buc: that can be done trivially with a shell script |
| 14:42.16 | metaperl | tarzeau: thanks |
| 14:42.21 | tarzeau | phyrster: they don't |
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| 14:42.42 | phyrster | tarzeau: how to pass some X settings to windows managers? |
| 14:42.50 | hawking | does anyone know how to learn the real names of the programmes I have in my gnome menu? I want to add some of them to my fluxbox menu but I don't know the real name of them |
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| 14:43.01 | Buc | Guerin even send the terminal a popup message a minute before they will be logged off? |
| 14:43.13 | tarzeau | phyrster: check /etc/X11 somewhere |
| 14:43.27 | tarzeau | hawking: check /usr/lib/menu or /usr/share/menu |
| 14:43.40 | hawking | tarzeau thank you |
| 14:43.59 | Guerin | Buc: sure, easy. |
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| 14:48.29 | wam | I'm trying to get gnome's ESD on alsa. But it shows me only "OSS" and "Custom" to choose from. My alsa is working and OSS is emulated. So how can I tell esd to use alsa for "sink"? |
| 14:48.44 | Mage\work | esd sux |
| 14:48.58 | Mage\work | and it will be removed from Gnome |
| 14:49.30 | klync | wam i think you want to select oss and use the alsa-oss emulation |
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| 14:50.03 | wam | klync: but this will only work once. Whenever another program wants to use /dev/dsp, it's locked. So I wanted it to use alsa. |
| 14:50.31 | Mage\work | with alsa you don't need *sd anymore |
| 14:50.33 | caphuso | there's a esd library package with alsa support |
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| 14:50.43 | tnks | Is there any way to specify an append-to-version in the .kernel-pkg.conf file? |
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| 14:52.10 | Joe_Gas | Ok, I turn on X forwarding in ssh (in the ssh_config and sshd_config) I used ssh -X root@server and I did xhost + on my local system and I still get Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display GRRR what am I forgetting??? (Using Xorg, it seemed to work fine wiht Xfree86, but doesnt seem to work with Xorg) |
| 14:52.13 | johnga1t | anyone here have experience w/ two NICs in a debian box? (*think* i'm having firewall issues ... maybe.) |
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| 14:52.53 | imatsu | hola de nuevo |
| 14:52.57 | caphuso | Joe_Gas: stop messing with xhost and make sure you have xauth installed on both systems |
| 14:53.06 | imatsu | patan: le haces honor a tu nick |
| 14:53.16 | imatsu | no mentira es echando broma |
| 14:53.27 | tnks | wait a sec. . . I guess I can just use the EXTRAVERSION kernel parameter. |
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| 14:53.38 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: Why did you do xhost? Have you tried using "ssh -v" to debug the connection? |
| 14:53.44 | Joe_Gas | xauth is not installed, what package is that under? |
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| 14:53.52 | caphuso | Joe_Gas: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:54.30 | Joe_Gas | I did not try to debug SSH because I didnt think the error was in SSH |
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| 14:55.26 | vipersniper | to install CUPS apt-get install cups? |
| 14:55.34 | fbi | cupsys |
| 14:55.35 | Phated | cupsys, I believe. |
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| 14:55.51 | Joe_Gas | I'm tring to get X forwarding up, not ssh, ssh works fine and X forwarding works fine on my local system, its just the system that I loaded Xorg on that I'm having problems with |
| 14:55.58 | fanti | hi there. at boot-up time, i get "/etc/network/option is deprecated". isn't that file required any longer? |
| 14:56.23 | PerfDave | fanti: I've never heard of it... |
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| 14:56.46 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: Have you tried using "ssh -v" to debug the connection? |
| 14:57.08 | Joe_Gas | No, would that tell me what was wrong with xorg? |
| 14:57.09 | johnga1t | does one have to turn off reverse-mapping in sshd_config when using two NICs? |
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| 14:57.24 | caphuso | Joe_Gas: yes, it would have |
| 14:57.27 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: It might tell you why you can't forward X over ssh. Just maybe. |
| 14:57.34 | vipersniper | to install cups --> apt-get install cups |
| 14:57.48 | asg | vipersniper: /msg dpkg install cups |
| 14:57.53 | caphuso | PerfDave: it's amazing, isn't it? |
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| 14:59.19 | _dexter | I just built a package with debuild. went fine so far. but: like in the deb src, the package name is now gtk-qt-engine_0.60cvs but the package name in the *distro* is gtk2-engines-gtk-qt. now - how do I upgrade the package? dpkg -i won't work. |
| 14:59.30 | Joe_Gas | There are no errors when I use ssh -v |
| 14:59.42 | Joe_Gas | only the gtk error |
| 15:00.13 | Maulkin | _dexter: apt-get install gtk2-engines-gtk-qt. |
| 15:00.58 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: What ssh command did you type, exactly? |
| 15:01.20 | Joe_Gas | ssh -vY root@legba |
| 15:01.41 | Joe_Gas | I get the debug output when I log in, but nothing when I get the gtk error |
| 15:01.47 | hawking | what is the command to open openoffice writer? I saw |
| 15:01.47 | hawking | openoffice.org2-writer usr/share/menu but this is not a command |
| 15:02.04 | caphuso | hawking: oowriter |
| 15:02.22 | Joe_Gas | ssh -vX doesnt work either |
| 15:02.42 | hawking | caphuso: is there a way to learn the commands if you don't know them? |
| 15:02.43 | _dexter | Maulkin: i want to install a cvs build thats not in the distro |
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| 15:02.57 | vipersniper | asg, should i install gimp-print also |
| 15:03.01 | caphuso | hawking: dpkg -L packagename | grep bin |
| 15:03.03 | hawking | caphuso: I mean there are some other programmes in my menu and I don't know the exact command of them |
| 15:03.08 | asg | vipersniper: if you wish |
| 15:03.11 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: Do you get any debug info at all? |
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| 15:03.18 | caphuso | hawking: then look in your menu configuration file |
| 15:03.20 | vipersniper | asg, will that give the drivers |
| 15:03.29 | hawking | caphuso: do you know where exactly this is located? |
| 15:03.38 | asg | vipersniper: it will |
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| 15:03.47 | vipersniper | asg, thanks |
| 15:03.53 | caphuso | hawking: well, that would depend on what menu we are talking about, wouldn't it? |
| 15:03.56 | hawking | I have gnome |
| 15:04.02 | Steven | Can I disable pulling dependencies of a package? I wanna install "smbfs" on my router / firewall which obviously won't be needing XFree86. |
| 15:04.04 | caphuso | then probably somewhere in ~/.gnome |
| 15:04.05 | hawking | on the start menu |
| 15:04.07 | Joe_Gas | PerfDave, Yes, when I log on, but NO, not when I ge tthe error |
| 15:04.19 | Steven | But I want to make sure it works like it's supposed to as well |
| 15:04.29 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: Have you read *all* the debug info you get when you log on. *carefully*? |
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| 15:05.11 | PerfDave | Steven: You really don't want to break dependencies in Debian. What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 15:05.19 | Maulkin | _dexter: ok... and so you've backage from there, right? |
| 15:05.49 | _dexter | i got what? |
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| 15:05.59 | Steven | PerfDave: I need to be able to mount samba share on the router for some configs etc. But I really don't need all the libraries cluttering my filesystem |
| 15:06.00 | stun | Alguem ai sabe onde posso encontrar um tutorial de como instalar o debian passo a passo ? |
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| 15:06.13 | Steven | PerfDave: It's filled with docbook crap and X libraries |
| 15:06.16 | Maulkin | _dexter: sorry, "built a pakcage" from there. |
| 15:06.27 | Maulkin | built. a. package. |
| 15:06.38 | mjk64 | !tell stun -about br |
| 15:06.45 | thingfish | stun: possivelmente sabem no #debian-br |
| 15:06.50 | caphuso | Steven: installing the packages necessary to mount samba shares installs neither docbook nor X libraries |
| 15:06.58 | PerfDave | Steven: I don't think you need to install the "smbfs" package to mount samba shares. |
| 15:07.00 | _dexter | heh. I got the src, ran dh_make and debuild on it. got a .deb now but dpkg complains when I want to -i it |
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| 15:07.06 | caphuso | Steven: plus, they don't clutter anything, 'cause they're neatly packaged |
| 15:07.16 | Maulkin | _dexter: What does it say? |
| 15:07.19 | PerfDave | Steven: Have a look at the package description |
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| 15:07.27 | Maulkin | _dexter: Can't help without knowing what's wrong |
| 15:07.32 | Steven | caphuso: well, in aptitude, when I wanna install "smbfs" it take a lot with it |
| 15:07.36 | Joe_Gas | PerfDave, the output from the server that doesnt work is almost identical to the server that does work |
| 15:07.52 | caphuso | Steven: ah, so your real question is "how do i use aptitude without reading the documentation?" |
| 15:08.04 | caphuso | Steven: be at least that honest next time |
| 15:08.07 | _dexter | Maulkin: it says trying to overwrite /usr/share/gtk-qt-engine/kde-index.theme fails because it is in gtk2-engines-gtk-qt already |
| 15:08.10 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: How is it different? |
| 15:08.17 | Steven | caphuso: just a debian n00b :( |
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| 15:08.39 | Joe_Gas | Name of the server |
| 15:08.47 | Joe_Gas | And the fact that I have a shared key |
| 15:08.48 | caphuso | Steven: that's more reason to read the documentation |
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| 15:09.03 | charzero | Can I have 2 NICs with 2 separate IPs on the same subnet, bind daemons to one ip, and have the traffic go through the proper nic? |
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| 15:09.18 | PerfDave | charzero: I don't see why not. |
| 15:09.18 | Maulkin | _dexter: ok, I'd remove gtk2-engines-gtk-qt then :) |
| 15:09.25 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: Can you post the output of "ssh -vX user@host" to the pastebot please? |
| 15:09.48 | _dexter | Maulkin: tried that. results in apt trying to uninstall all of kde because of deps :/ |
| 15:09.55 | Joe_Gas | Pastebot? |
| 15:10.01 | Maulkin | _dexter: ahh, ok. |
| 15:10.11 | Steven | caphuso: I'll do that then ;) |
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| 15:10.28 | johnga1t | how do you stop sshd from doing a reverse map check? |
| 15:10.32 | PerfDave | Joe_Gas: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 15:10.42 | johnga1t | (have tried VerifyReverseMapping and ReverseMappingCheck) |
| 15:10.45 | Maulkin | _dexter: Could you pop into #debian-mentors? This is a packaging issue. |
| 15:10.57 | Maulkin | It'll leave more space in here :) |
| 15:11.03 | _dexter | Maulkin: could I deceive dpkg by just renaming the package file...? |
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| 15:11.16 | Maulkin | No |
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| 15:16.40 | TriKster-Abacus | screw ubuntu |
| 15:16.47 | sparr | TriKster-Abacus! |
| 15:16.47 | TriKster-Abacus | putting straight debian on here |
| 15:16.49 | TriKster-Abacus | hey sp |
| 15:16.52 | TriKster-Abacus | hey sparr |
| 15:16.58 | TriKster-Abacus | using debian huh? |
| 15:17.05 | TriKster-Abacus | I have debian on one of my gaming rigs |
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| 15:17.16 | TriKster-Abacus | ubuntu on this laptop.. and it sucks compared to straight debian |
| 15:17.24 | sparr | I went to install kdevelop and it wants to install/remove/upgrade a billion packages. I looked over the list, and only one thing really bothers me. It wants to remove kvirc, which is unacceptable. id prefer to find out why its being removed, so help would be appreciated in that direction. failing that, id simply like to force it to not be removed. |
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| 15:17.42 | sparr | try kubuntu |
| 15:17.53 | TriKster-Abacus | I dunno... sometimes it wants to remove a package, and I just go and use synaptic and install it again |
| 15:18.01 | TriKster-Abacus | I don't like any version of ubuntu |
| 15:18.06 | FrozenNutsInInuv | anyone know how to break X out of auto-startup (when you can't get to a shell) ?? |
| 15:18.17 | TriKster-Abacus | bbib, debian time |
| 15:18.17 | DonVincenzo | is there a log of the operation performed by apt-get ? |
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| 15:18.58 | PerfDave | FrozenNutsInInuv: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace? |
| 15:18.58 | johnga1t | how can i turn off reverse mapping in ssh? |
| 15:18.58 | sumar | kernel-source package is original source from kernel.org and kernel-patches is only from debian, right? |
| 15:19.12 | asg | DonVincenzo: /var/log/dpkg.log (if performed on etch/sid) ; otherwise, using 'script apt-get install foo' will save a copy of the output (man script) |
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| 15:19.54 | sparr | why tf is ksokoban in the dependency tree of kdevelop? |
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| 15:20.22 | FrozenNutsInInuv | PerfDave: now, how do you think Ctrl-Alt-Backspace converts to PPC on iMac, heh heh?? |
| 15:20.26 | sparr | methinks a package maintainer somewhere has gone crazy |
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| 15:20.59 | PerfDave | FrozenNutsInInuv: Watch me not care about your inferior hardware ;) |
| 15:21.06 | PerfDave | FrozenNutsInInuv: Dunno. Try asking #debian-ppc :) |
| 15:21.27 | FrozenNutsInInuv | PerfDave: It worked!! Thanks man! I did a *little* improv...but I got shell |
| 15:21.35 | stew | sparr: its not a dependency of kdevelop? |
| 15:21.47 | stew | !depends kdevelop3 |
| 15:21.47 | Maulkin | FrozenNutsInInuv: control + alt + backspace on a mac |
| 15:21.47 | grendal_prime | i have an ati rage 9200 pretty cool..never really had any problems with it untell i rebuilt this machine ...basically after i play any games that require any serious 3d acc it just locks up the entire machine. not imeediatly though..sometimes will work for about 10 min |
| 15:21.59 | sparr | stew: its in the tree somewhere |
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| 15:22.14 | stew | !rdepends ksokoban |
| 15:22.21 | sparr | stew: i do "apt-get install kdevelop" and ksokobon is in the "extra packages to be installed" section |
| 15:22.31 | sha1sum | 3rd branch up |
| 15:22.33 | stew | sparr: oh, you are talking about the woody package? |
| 15:22.35 | sha1sum | by the bird's nest |
| 15:22.44 | grendal_prime | anyone know of anything that causes that..or better yet...a log file that will keep track of what happend? cause i cant seem to find any info on it via the useal x log files |
| 15:22.45 | sparr | stew: but, an easy question first, how do i un-keptback a package? |
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| 15:22.54 | stew | sparr: /msg dpkg kept back |
| 15:22.55 | grendal_prime | im running testing by the way and xorg |
| 15:23.06 | dpkg | kdevelop3: depends on kdelibs4c2 (>= 4:3.4.2-1), libart-2.0-2 (>= 2.3.16), libaudio2, libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libfam0, libfontconfig1 (>= 2.3.0), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.1), libice6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libidn11 (>= 0.5.18), libjpeg62, libpcre3 (>= 4.5), libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libqt3-mt (>= 3:3.3.5), libsm6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libstdc++6 (>= 4.0.2), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxcursor1 (>> 1.1.2), libxext6 | xlibs (>> ... |
| 15:23.08 | Kerr | How can i get a list of installed packages? |
| 15:23.19 | grendal_prime | kerr use aptitude |
| 15:23.26 | valdyn | Kerr: dpkg -l | grep ^i |
| 15:23.27 | grendal_prime | there is a task category... |
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| 15:23.30 | grendal_prime | ya or that |
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| 15:23.40 | FrozenNutsInInuv | PerfDave: it is pretty inferior...but it's way nifter with Debian on it (running quick) than with OS X (slowwwwwwww...) |
| 15:23.51 | sparr | i cant even dist-upgrade without removing kvirc |
| 15:23.52 | sparr | wtf |
| 15:23.56 | sparr | something is seriously wrong |
| 15:24.09 | valdyn | sparr: testing can do that. |
| 15:24.19 | valdyn | sparr: neither exceptional nor particularily serious |
| 15:24.23 | PerfDave | Removing kvirc is a good thing ;) |
| 15:24.33 | grendal_prime | FrozenNutsInInuv, what are you doing? |
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| 15:24.43 | grendal_prime | you got a new apple with debian on it? |
| 15:24.44 | stew | sparr: what version of debian are you running? woody? |
| 15:24.44 | sparr | removing kvirc is NOT a good thing! |
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| 15:24.49 | sparr | stew: unstable |
| 15:24.54 | sparr | stew: very, it seems :) |
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| 15:25.28 | stew | sparr: there is no kdevelop package in unstable, there is a kdevelop3 |
| 15:25.34 | sparr | my bad, kdevelop3 |
| 15:25.39 | sparr | sorry |
| 15:25.57 | Fixion | Last night I did a dist-upgrade, and turned off my computer. Today my kernel panics every time I try to boot, and linux freezes right after boot (and x freaking out). Do I need to reinstall? |
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| 15:26.30 | Fixion | *it freezes with the original default kernel |
| 15:26.37 | Delfyn | anyone know if Marillat's mplayer debs are on an rsync accessible server somewhere? I can only find FTP access to ftp.nerim.net, and to allow me to better filtering than wget or 'mirror' allow I'd like to use rsync. |
| 15:26.54 | hotzenplotz | is there a possiblity to install debian from the netinstall image with xorg instead of XFree ? because it looks like i cannot get the XFree to work :( |
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| 15:27.03 | valdyn | Fixion: reinstall is probably an easy solution, hardly necessary |
| 15:27.16 | Fixion | valdyn: is there an other way? |
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| 15:27.43 | _rene_ | hotzenplotz: uh, you are contradicting yourself. |
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| 15:27.48 | valdyn | Fixion: use a bootdisk and chroot |
| 15:27.49 | thingfish | hotzenplotz: you might try expert26 at the first prompt at install time. I've heard that lets you select etch, which has xorg. |
| 15:27.49 | _rene_ | hotzenplotz: but no, sarge doesn't have x.org |
| 15:28.23 | myiagy | hi, anyone knows a place i can get info about udeb packages? |
| 15:28.25 | Fixion | valdyn: how? I have a boot disk, but it tries to load the kernel with the installed configuration, which just freezes the computer |
| 15:28.26 | _rene_ | installing etch directly iirc is still broken |
| 15:28.37 | _rene_ | install sarge and do a dist-upgrade. safer |
| 15:28.44 | _rene_ | then you can install x.org etc |
| 15:28.49 | sparr | how can i find out why a package is being removed during an apt-get? |
| 15:28.53 | ice_1963 | i need help i installed sid kernel-image-2.6.12 and the nvidia driver's what do i need to install so i can dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ?? |
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| 15:29.06 | _rene_ | look at the dependencies and/or conflicts |
| 15:29.25 | sparr | _rene_: how? |
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| 15:29.43 | sparr | i mean, i can see a list of all the dependencies from apt-cache, but that isnt very helpful |
| 15:29.43 | stew | sparr: apt-cache showpkg |
| 15:29.48 | _rene_ | uh, apt-cache show? |
| 15:29.53 | _rene_ | it is |
| 15:29.53 | sparr | how do i tell which dependency is the problem? |
| 15:29.55 | AtApi | hi |
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| 15:30.07 | _rene_ | or grep-dctrl |
| 15:30.15 | hotzenplotz | thingfish: i will try that but i have several errors when installing with the netinstallers:( insmod sd_scsi (hope right) is always halting and the grub install also stops. |
| 15:30.19 | sparr | its got about 80 dependencies |
| 15:30.21 | _rene_ | what is the exact problem here atm? |
| 15:30.33 | Fixion | why would the kernel be fine one day, and panic at boot the next? |
| 15:30.37 | AtApi | i have a question,is there a good guy who can kindly PM and help me? |
| 15:30.49 | _rene_ | sparr: ohn, and of course a bit thinking and knowing what is going on with debian development if you use etch or sid |
| 15:30.53 | sparr | _rene_: i wanted to "apt-get install kdevelop3", but it wants to remove a large number of packages including kvirc |
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| 15:31.03 | Delfyn | ice_1963, what happens if you just run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" ? |
| 15:31.15 | _rene_ | sparr: sid` |
| 15:31.18 | _rene_ | garr |
| 15:31.20 | _rene_ | sparr: sid? |
| 15:31.21 | bloom | !tell AtApi about ask |
| 15:31.22 | dimir | !ask |
| 15:31.22 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:31.23 | sparr | _rene_: the problem is not specific to kdevelop3, dist-upgrade also wants to remove kvirc |
| 15:31.26 | dimir | :-P |
| 15:31.29 | sparr | _rene_: unstable |
| 15:31.30 | Supaplex | why would tcpdump -n udp port 53 show only incomming dns requests, but no replies or icmp port unreachable etc messages? iptables is flushed. tcpdump -i any -n udp port 53 shows no traffic. the iptables -A INPUT -m udp -p udp --dport 53 rule added minutes ago still shows 0pkt/0bytes |
| 15:31.58 | _rene_ | sparr: normal |
| 15:32.06 | _rene_ | both need a rebuild for the new KDE |
| 15:32.15 | lindi- | Supaplex: if you say "udp" it won't show you "icmp" packets |
| 15:32.16 | sparr | theres a new kde? :( |
| 15:32.16 | stew | sparr: kvirc depends on libqt3c102-mt, and libqt3c102-mt doesn't exist in unstable, it was replaced by libqt3-mt |
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| 15:32.20 | _rene_ | which obviously didn't happen yet |
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| 15:32.35 | _rene_ | sparr: 3.4.2 |
| 15:32.39 | sparr | ive got the old kde, and the old kvirc, apparently |
| 15:32.41 | Supaplex | lindi-: good point. |
| 15:32.44 | Fixion | are there any lilo boot options so that gdm doesn't start at boot? |
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| 15:32.46 | _rene_ | sparr: there's a 3.3->3.4 transition currently |
| 15:32.47 | sparr | is there a way i might get the old kdevelop to go with them? |
| 15:32.48 | dedalus | hi |
| 15:32.55 | ice_1963 | i get dpkg-reconfigure: xserver-xfree86 is not installed |
| 15:32.58 | AtApi | theres some good guy that can tell me if is possible to install debian on a external usb drive? |
| 15:33.02 | _rene_ | sparr: and the C++ ABI one. and therefore the Qt and KDE libnames changes |
| 15:33.06 | dedalus | does anyone use peap on a centrino laptop ? |
| 15:33.10 | stew | sparr: so when you are upgrading to kdelibs4 it is intstalling libqt3-mt, which is removing libqt3c102-mt which is removing kvirc |
| 15:33.10 | _rene_ | sparr: and those two need to be still rebuilt |
| 15:33.12 | valdyn | ice_1963: its xserver-xorg in sid |
| 15:33.17 | sparr | _rene_: so i just picked a bad week to try to install kdevelop? |
| 15:33.27 | Delfyn | ice, maybe rephrase the problem, it's not very clear. |
| 15:33.33 | Supaplex | I just added "or icmp" and no packets are rejected ... |
| 15:33.37 | _rene_ | sparr: that's what I meant with thinking and following debian devlopment. if you use sid you should know such things. if not, don't use sid |
| 15:33.45 | sparr | how would i know such things? |
| 15:33.46 | stew | sparr: afaik you picked the wrong quarter of the year to try to upgrade kde |
| 15:33.47 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 15:33.56 | hotzenplotz | thingfish: do i need the etch netinstaller? |
| 15:33.58 | sparr | stew: i dont particularly want to upgrade kde, im happy with the way it is |
| 15:34.00 | stew | sparr: you know by doing what you are doing |
| 15:34.06 | stew | sparr: cool, problem solved |
| 15:34.10 | Delfyn | rsync server for marillat's mplayer debs, anyone? |
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| 15:34.16 | sparr | im happy with everythign except the lack of kdevelop :) |
| 15:34.31 | stew | sparr: so rebuild kdevelop with a dependency on the newer libqt |
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| 15:34.34 | hotzenplotz | thingfish: because that always produces problems when installing initrd-tools |
| 15:34.36 | thingfish | hotzenplotz: if one is available, choose it. But we've been informed that netinstall etch is broken currently. |
| 15:34.42 | sparr | stew: i think i dont have the newer libqt |
| 15:34.50 | ice_1963 | so i do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg Right |
| 15:34.54 | valdyn | !info libqt3 sid |
| 15:34.57 | stew | sparr: right, not until you upgrade |
| 15:34.57 | AtApi | or someone that can address me to some tutorial? |
| 15:35.09 | licued | AtApi whatyo ulooking for |
| 15:35.13 | sparr | stew: upgrading would require me to recompile a dozen other things too. id rather just find a way to get the old kdevelop. |
| 15:35.14 | hotzenplotz | thingfish: that would explain my problem :) mh.. so better a really cd set ? |
| 15:35.21 | AtApi | can u tell me if is possible to install debian on a external usb drive? |
| 15:35.32 | sparr | AtApi: yes. |
| 15:35.36 | thingfish | hotzenplotz: install sarge, then get xorg from etch. It's very simple to do. |
| 15:35.58 | valdyn | uh, there's a fine backport of xorg for sarge |
| 15:36.05 | AtApi | i have a laptop with windowz on it and a external usb drive |
| 15:36.21 | thingfish | valdyn: is that what dpkg's factoid point to? |
| 15:36.35 | thingfish | *points |
| 15:36.35 | AtApi | where i wanna istall debian |
| 15:36.36 | valdyn | thingfish: no idea |
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| 15:36.43 | valdyn | !xorg |
| 15:36.44 | dpkg | xorg is probably X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R6.8.2. ask me about <get xorg> |
| 15:36.49 | valdyn | !get xorg |
| 15:36.49 | dpkg | X.Org is in Etch but not in Sarge. xserver-xorg replaces XFree86's xserver-xfree86. updating x-window-system-core/x-window-system on Etch will bring it in. for X.org on Sarge, ask me about <xorg sarge> |
| 15:36.54 | stew | sparr: you want to run sarge's kdevelop3 on sid? |
| 15:36.54 | thingfish | !xorg sarge |
| 15:36.54 | dpkg | well, xorg sarge is [1] add these to sources.list without quotes: "deb http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" "deb-src http://people.debian.org/~nobse/xorg-x11/ sarge main" [2] run the following command: apt-get update && apt-get install xserver-xorg [3] restart X |
| 15:36.56 | ice_1963 | t/y |
| 15:37.02 | valdyn | thingfish: yea that is it |
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| 15:37.23 | AtApi | hey <sparr> can u address me to some tutorial? |
| 15:37.37 | sparr | stew: i want to run the kdevelop3 that i would have gotten with sid the day before this upgrade process started |
| 15:37.39 | stew | !tell AtApi about ig |
| 15:37.42 | thingfish | cool. hotzenplotz, reference dpkg's last posting. |
| 15:37.52 | sparr | stew: the one that matches the KDE, libqt, and kvirc that i have now |
| 15:38.02 | AtApi | ? |
| 15:38.12 | sparr | i assume that at some point the packages were at least somewhat in sync |
| 15:38.18 | hotzenplotz | thingfish cool thanks :) |
| 15:38.36 | thingfish | my pleasure, hotzenplotz - have fun. |
| 15:38.40 | stew | sparr: you could try install kde from s.d.n from a few months ago |
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| 15:38.49 | sparr | s.d.n? |
| 15:38.54 | stew | !snd |
| 15:38.54 | dpkg | [snd] 'the Emacs of sound,' a sound editor with a Lisp-like language at its core. |
| 15:38.56 | stew | no |
| 15:38.58 | stew | !sdn |
| 15:38.59 | dpkg | somebody said sdn was go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problem. |
| 15:39.00 | brosioz | is it possible get information about temperature for my sata disk on /dev/sda with hdparm ? |
| 15:39.34 | sparr | how can i check the date on the kde packages i have installed now? to get the appropriate kdevelop |
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| 15:39.47 | lindi- | brosioz: smartctl is the tool to get temperatures, unfortunately libata does not support that yet |
| 15:40.50 | sparr | what kind of Bad Things might I expect if i just go to kde.org and download kdevelop the non-debian way? |
| 15:40.52 | stew | sparr: you need to go back to before libqt3 replaced libqt3c102 |
| 15:41.03 | Darxus | has the gconf2-common package been discussed here much today ? I keep telling aptitude to pin it and then try a dist-upgrade again, and it keeps trying to install it inspite of the pin |
| 15:41.40 | abrotman | Darxus: you held it ? |
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| 15:42.07 | abrotman | !hold |
| 15:42.07 | dpkg | somebody said hold was a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' or use the '=' key on the package in dselect. Use 'echo pkgname install | dpkg --set-selections' to remove the hold. |
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| 15:42.46 | Darxus | I believe using dpkg --set-selections, etc., doesn't affect aptitude ? |
| 15:42.59 | JosephSpiros | I realize this isn't much of a debian specific problem... but... is there any way I can query debian as to the purposes of various kernel modules? |
| 15:43.11 | JosephSpiros | namely I have some modules that d-i put in /etc/modules and I want to know what they do and why they're there :) |
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| 15:43.26 | stew | JosephSpiros: which modules? |
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| 15:43.31 | sparr | stew: why would s.d.n not know about libqt3* ? |
| 15:43.32 | JosephSpiros | stew: ide-disk |
| 15:43.38 | Darxus | I don't remember the name of the package, but I installed something that, during an aptitude dist-upgrade will tell me the pending upgrades that have bugs against them, and give me the option to hit "p" to pin them |
| 15:43.43 | hotzenplotz | how "stable" is etch at the moment ? |
| 15:43.48 | Darxus | so then when I repeat the dist-upgrade they don't get upgraded |
| 15:43.58 | lindi- | JosephSpiros:try e.g. modinf ide-disk |
| 15:44.00 | lindi- | JosephSpiros:try e.g. modinfo ide-disk |
| 15:44.02 | JosephSpiros | stew: ide-cd and ide-detect as well, but mostly ide-disk, since I have three machines and the one I most recently installed has ide-disk in addition |
| 15:44.03 | Darxus | but this is for some reason not working with gconf2-common right now |
| 15:44.07 | JosephSpiros | lindi-: ooh, thanks :) |
| 15:44.41 | myiagy | how do i build udeb packages? |
| 15:45.19 | stew | sparr: its in the qt-x11-free source package, you are going to need to go back to june or july probably (right after sarge released) |
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| 15:45.42 | stew | sparr: you might wanna ask #debian-kde |
| 15:45.43 | AtApi | hey <sparr> do yo refer at 5.1.3. Booting from USB Memory Stick |
| 15:46.13 | sparr | june or july... |
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| 15:46.33 | stew | sparr: I assume you checked the bts |
| 15:46.39 | sparr | theres may and august |
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| 15:46.52 | charzero | How can i have an interface in /etc/network/interfaces and not have it create any routes on ifup? |
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| 15:47.09 | sparr | im guessing august is the first version after the change |
| 15:47.25 | stew | sparr: /msg dpkg cdn |
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| 15:48.00 | petemc | charzero: dont have a gateway part |
| 15:48.06 | tarzeau | hotzenplotz: it's not |
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| 15:48.45 | hotzenplotz | tarzeau: i know that it is not really stable but is possible to work with or just to fill out error reports? :) |
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| 15:49.15 | sparr | stew: changelog doesnt mention the upgrade |
| 15:49.28 | sparr | oh |
| 15:49.28 | sparr | * Build against new Qt / KDE libraries (Closes: #326929) |
| 15:49.31 | sparr | guess it does :) |
| 15:50.09 | abrotman | hotzenplotz: depends on what you need ti for .. but security is an issue |
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| 15:50.40 | charzero | petemc: Does that mean that a daemon bound to eth1's (no gateway) ip will send traffic out eth0? (both eths are same subnet) ? |
| 15:50.43 | hotzenplotz | abrotman: just need it for some coding and maybe some gaming to brighten up my worktime :) |
| 15:50.48 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 15:50.49 | dpkg | Don't use http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/, but see http://secure-testing-master.debian.net/ ;) |
| 15:50.49 | petemc | charzero: yes |
| 15:50.53 | AtApi | what is businesscard ISO |
| 15:50.55 | AtApi | ? |
| 15:51.07 | Drakh | hi guys, whats a good free (beer or freedom) ftp server that runs on linux and windows |
| 15:51.11 | abrotman | hotzenplotz: coding of what? .. do you have a server that you need to deploy that might be version dependant ? |
| 15:51.15 | abrotman | !d-i AtApi |
| 15:51.18 | charzero | petemc: Is there a way to avoid that? |
| 15:51.19 | dpkg | AtApi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:51.21 | asg | AtApi: one designed to fit on a 180M business card CD |
| 15:51.28 | abrotman | Drakh: windows has an ftp server .. |
| 15:51.33 | stew | asg: businesscard cds are 50mb |
| 15:51.33 | abrotman | well .. windows server versions do |
| 15:51.36 | petemc | charzero: you would need to give more details, anything is possible, to some degree |
| 15:51.42 | abrotman | stew: the CDs are 180MB |
| 15:51.54 | asg | stew: thought there were larger? |
| 15:52.00 | stew | oh, maybe i'm wrong, sorry |
| 15:52.01 | hotzenplotz | abrotman: just some coding for learning purpose and some php/html/python coding |
| 15:52.02 | stew | hrm |
| 15:52.19 | abrotman | hotzenplotz: will it be publicly available ? |
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| 15:52.29 | tarzeau | hotzenplotz: i don't know anyone who is using testing |
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| 15:52.38 | tarzeau | hotzenplotz: i know people that use sarge, and people that use unstable |
| 15:52.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: i am |
| 15:52.52 | hotzenplotz | abrotman: no. it is just my personal desktop environment |
| 15:52.54 | tarzeau | and both work fine for most of the people. if it doesn't, it's a problem of the person |
| 15:52.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: on my lappy at home .. it's etch |
| 15:53.08 | charzero | petmac: 2 NICs, both on same subnet. i want to run two daemons, one bound to each ip. ideally, traffic for the daemon on eth0 would come in and out eth0, and for the one on eth1, in and out eth1 |
| 15:53.12 | abrotman | hotzenplotz: should be ok .. last i heard KDE was a bit of a mess .. but tht might be sorted out by now |
| 15:53.30 | hotzenplotz | abrotman: server is using woody :) mh.. i will give it a closer checkup:) |
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| 15:53.55 | sparr | a dependency loop is bad, right? |
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| 15:54.26 | asg | sparr: yes, it should never happen |
| 15:54.32 | StFS | hello... I'm trying to disable ipv6 in a 2.6.8 kernel. I've uncommented the "alias net-pf-10 off # IPv6" line from /etc/modutils/aliases file and ran update-modules but when I reboot ipv6 is still there... any ideas? |
| 15:54.48 | sparr | stew: packages from may installed, thanks for the help! |
| 15:55.02 | petemc | charzero: hmm, not sure, if they're on the same subnet, what difference does it make? |
| 15:55.52 | sbk | Is there anything like a "/dev/null" X server? The purpose is to run a browser that is scripted to automatically do a few tasks (which are monitored via tcpdump) on a remote display-less machine |
| 15:56.01 | stew | sparr: asg, depends on what you mean by dependency loop, there are many instances of package a depends on package b and package b also depends on package a |
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| 15:56.22 | caphuso | sbk: xvfb |
| 15:56.24 | abrotman | sbk: so .. you wouldn't be able to view it anyways ? |
| 15:56.27 | StFS | sbk: could you not use a console based browser? |
| 15:56.42 | hotzenplotz | abrotman: think i messed up something:) i always thougth testing==unstable :) |
| 15:56.43 | sbk | caphuso: ah, will look in that. |
| 15:56.46 | abrotman | hotzenplotz: no |
| 15:56.48 | abrotman | !release |
| 15:56.49 | dpkg | Sarge has been released (2005-06-06). Sarge is Debian 3.1, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <woody->sarge>. |
| 15:56.52 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 15:56.52 | abrotman | !releases |
| 15:56.53 | dpkg | from memory, releases is see http://debian.org/releases/, or an explanation of the different levels of Debian releases. |
| 15:56.54 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:56.59 | sbk | abrotman: right -- the only purpose is to look at the tcpdump output over time |
| 15:57.01 | stew | sparr: asg, a dependency loop is fine, a pre-depends loop is not |
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| 15:57.20 | sbk | StFS: not for this situation -- I specifically want to see how firefox behaves |
| 15:58.02 | sbk | caphuso: looks perfect, thanks much |
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| 15:58.49 | briend | sbk: could you run firefox and set the display to another remote machine with X? |
| 15:59.20 | StFS | argh... does anyone know how the IP modules are loaded up? I really need to get IPv6 disabled |
| 15:59.22 | sbk | briend: yes, I could -- but I don't want to deal with the additional network traffic/delays related to running the X-display itself. |
| 16:00.27 | paivakil | StFS: rmmod ipv6 |
| 16:00.41 | petemc | StFS: alias net-pf-10 off in /etc/modprobe.conf, or some module loading dir, cant remember which.. |
| 16:00.51 | petemc | paivakil: that doesnt work |
| 16:00.53 | StFS | paivakil: I need to do it permanently |
| 16:01.16 | StFS | petemc: I already did that and it keeps loading when I reboot! and yes I did run update-modules |
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| 16:01.30 | petemc | StFS: oh, it _should_ work.. |
| 16:01.31 | abrotman | mmm .. cheesesteak ... |
| 16:01.41 | petemc | i had a real steak today |
| 16:01.42 | StFS | petemc: grmpfh |
| 16:01.48 | thingfish | there is no /etc/modprobe.conf in debian. |
| 16:02.10 | petemc | thingfish: feel free to jump in and say which file it should be in |
| 16:02.10 | PerfDave | Hmm. I have a load average of ~30, top tells me that my CPU is at ~99%, but I can't see any processes which might account for that. |
| 16:02.21 | fbi | chicken+cheese > cheesesteak |
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| 16:02.32 | fbi | !moo |
| 16:02.32 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 16:02.39 | StFS | thingfish: it's in /etc/modutils/aliases |
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| 16:02.49 | thingfish | petemc: all I have to tell him is give it up. I've tried every possible way to disable ipv6, nothing I've tried works. |
| 16:03.29 | houman_zhu | hi there, im trying to do a custom kernel and i read a couple of howtos and they al linsist that i should add myself to the usr group and do everything as a regular user instead of root, doesn anyone know why? |
| 16:03.34 | petemc | thingfish: my experiences differ from yours, when i needed to do it way back when, it worked |
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| 16:03.40 | lindi- | StFS: your initrd probably loads ipv6.ko for you |
| 16:03.41 | thingfish | StFS: I've tried that...after reboot, ipv6 still shows in lsmod. |
| 16:03.59 | lindi- | StFS: thingfish: at least that's what happened to me |
| 16:04.11 | thingfish | yeah I think you're right |
| 16:04.12 | abrotman | fbi: i love chicken cheesesteaks |
| 16:04.18 | thingfish | sounds good! |
| 16:04.18 | petemc | me too! |
| 16:04.29 | fbi | yes. beef is highly overrated. |
| 16:04.35 | thingfish | but man, aren't those things loaded with cholesterol? |
| 16:04.38 | StFS | lindi-: ok... is there a way to stop it from doing that? |
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| 16:04.56 | paivakil | houman_zhu: you need to be root to install the built kernel |
| 16:04.59 | lindi- | StFS: hmm, i think you could regenerate the initrd to exclude ipv6 |
| 16:05.18 | fbi | houman_zhu: what is it that you need, that a precompiled Debian kernel lacks |
| 16:05.40 | lindi- | StFS: check man mkinitrd |
| 16:05.45 | StFS | thingfish: I did manage to turn it of on one computer but there I had to custom build my kernel so I just removed the module but in this case I can't / don't want to do that |
| 16:05.47 | houman_zhu | fbi: functionality, the deb kernel wont work on the lappie that i have, read several forums, i gotta do a custom kernel :S |
| 16:05.50 | StFS | lindi-: ok... will do... thanks |
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| 16:06.04 | lindi- | StFS: although you could always edit /boot/initrd* manually |
| 16:06.09 | houman_zhu | paivakil: i knwo but the howtos say compile it as a user and use fakeroot to build it, i just dont get it |
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| 16:06.35 | houman_zhu | fbi: trust me i am not crazy about messing with my system, i rather it just worked |
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| 16:06.55 | Fox_1_ | how can i know what version of kernel i have now? |
| 16:06.57 | paivakil | houman_zhu: when you are root, you are a steam roller, and a typo is likely todamage the entire system |
| 16:07.18 | thingfish | Fox_1_: uname -r |
| 16:07.19 | paivakil | and that advise applies to all work; not just building the kernel |
| 16:08.01 | houman_zhu | paivakil: well most of the commands dont work if youre not root :( i couldnt even type make in the src directory of my kernel, it said persmission denied |
| 16:08.35 | lindi- | houman_zhu: that's probably because you unpacked the sources as root |
| 16:08.50 | Fox_1_ | it write 2.4.27-2-386, but my comp is AMD Athlon. does it strongly recommended to change kernel into k7? |
| 16:08.55 | houman_zhu | lindi-: on yea, :) |
| 16:09.26 | houman_zhu | lindi-: but do you know why they telling me to do everything as a user and when building the source of the kernel use fakeroot? i mean thats kinda dumb |
| 16:09.59 | houman_zhu | lindi-: i mean nay kernel related tweaking should be done as a root i think, i think there is more to it than trying to prevent you from screwing up th system by a bad comand |
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| 16:10.35 | stew | Fox_1_: recomend, but not necessarily strongly |
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| 16:10.59 | stew | Fox_1_: the 386 will work fine, the k7 will work slightly (possibly imperceptively) better |
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| 16:11.23 | Fox_1_ | stew ok thanks |
| 16:11.32 | Fox_1_ | i'll change it:) |
| 16:11.33 | fbi | i'd go with an optimized 2.6 kernel, if it doesn't run good, don't use it. |
| 16:11.39 | pedro421 | nvz: |
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| 16:12.12 | Fox_1_ | no i want to install 2.4.27 for k7 |
| 16:12.15 | sussudio | http://www.momonga.com/ezo-momonga/momojpeg1.html < aww look at the cute widdle squirrel... aaaaaah! it's coming right for me! |
| 16:12.19 | pedro421 | nvz:scott where are you? |
| 16:12.20 | pedro421 | | |
| 16:12.31 | fbi | Fox_1_: go for it then, if you have any issues just boot your original kernel |
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| 16:12.54 | Fox_1_ | fbi what do you mean? |
| 16:13.19 | fbi | Fox_1_: when you install a new kernel, you'll still have the kernel you're on now |
| 16:13.26 | fbi | and you can boot it if necessary |
| 16:13.36 | Fox_1_ | a ok |
| 16:13.39 | Fox_1_ | thanks |
| 16:13.39 | Fox_1_ | :) |
| 16:14.05 | mjk64 | sussudio: I can't believe it ... it looks like a Real Manga Squirrel! 8-) |
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| 16:14.31 | sussudio | mjk64: http://www.town.kumakogen.ehime.jp/culture/museum/img/goods_card_momonga3.jpg |
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| 16:14.58 | mjk64 | sussudio: *purrrrrrr* Oh, I love these creatures! 8-) |
| 16:15.07 | mixonic | howdy all. any one familiar with the woody ucd-snmp packages and setting up agents? Can't seem to get mine to recognize any modules. |
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| 16:15.54 | Holborn | Hi, any howto of how tune-up, speed-up and maintain the database of installed packages? |
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| 16:16.33 | Fox_1_ | i found kernel-headers for 2.4, but couldn't found for 2.4.27. does they work? |
| 16:16.42 | Starfury^ | hi gettign a weird problem, i running sid, and after a while if i do something involving dns like pinging a web domain it fails and also makes all network connectivity disappear until i reboot |
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| 16:17.02 | Starfury^ | i have done a apt-get upgrade incase it was a dodgy package |
| 16:17.10 | fbi | Fox_1_: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 16:17.23 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 16:17.34 | Starfury^ | anyone helop? |
| 16:17.49 | fbi | Fox_1_: you want kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 16:18.05 | briend | Starfury^: Sounds bad... can you ifup/ifdown the interface to get it working again w/o rebooting? |
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| 16:18.24 | Fox_1_ | yes |
| 16:18.30 | Starfury^ | briend: it goes down and back up but wont find the dhcp offer |
| 16:18.34 | fbi | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 |
| 16:18.38 | Starfury^ | but fine after a reboot |
| 16:18.47 | Fox_1_ | fbi i found they. thanks |
| 16:18.54 | fbi | no problem |
| 16:18.58 | houman_zhu | cananyone tell me why its bad to compile kernel source as root? |
| 16:19.00 | briend | Starfury^: Do you loose link lights on the card too? |
| 16:19.06 | Starfury^ | i am about zip my home dir and ftp it off and reinstall |
| 16:19.12 | Starfury^ | not checked that |
| 16:19.14 | Starfury^ | dont think so |
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| 16:19.42 | Starfury^ | can you think of any software condition that would cause what i describe |
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| 16:20.11 | briend | Starfury^: Perhaps another machine with the same IP address is disablign your switch port? |
| 16:21.03 | Starfury^ | nah dhcp is set to 51 - 200 and this has a reserved ip below that range on the dhcp by its mac |
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| 16:21.11 | sussudio | teh intarweb seems to be partially fux0red today |
| 16:21.20 | abrotman | sussudio: badgered ? |
| 16:21.34 | briend | Starfury^: sounds more hardware to me... that's really odd. Try another NIC card if you have one :-P |
| 16:21.35 | Starfury^ | sussudio: www.internettrafficreport.com |
| 16:21.37 | sussudio | abrotman: momonga'ed |
| 16:21.46 | sussudio | Starfury^: i know |
| 16:21.49 | sussudio | abrotman: http://placeaqua.cool.ne.jp/momonga1.jpg |
| 16:21.56 | Starfury^ | briend: k, <looks over> 6x 100mb, 2x 1gb |
| 16:22.17 | Starfury^ | briend: you dont think its a os thing? |
| 16:22.33 | Starfury^ | if i dont do anything dns related the connection is fine |
| 16:22.37 | abrotman | sussudio: flying squirrel ? |
| 16:22.52 | sussudio | abrotman: indeed. japanese attack squirrel. |
| 16:22.54 | Starfury^ | but after a reboot dns works fine |
| 16:22.59 | abrotman | sussudio: can i get one as a pet ? |
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| 16:23.09 | abrotman | !momongasmite sussudio |
| 16:23.23 | mjk64 | sussudio: Stop pasting links to these cute furry squirrels, or else I'll fall in love in them! %-) |
| 16:23.24 | sussudio | abrotman: it seems you can get them as a pet, yes. |
| 16:23.47 | sussudio | mjk64: http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~HCtokuno/petbunrui/animal/image/momonga/05-04-23-hukuro.jpg |
| 16:24.06 | mjk64 | sussudio: Nooooooooo! %-) |
| 16:24.15 | stew | squirrels on bird feeders aren't cute |
| 16:24.20 | sussudio | abrotman: http://www.sw.nec.co.jp/igovcom/MIRAI/images/momonga_01.jpg |
| 16:24.31 | mjk64 | stew: Are birds on squirrel feeders cuters? |
| 16:24.35 | mjk64 | cuter, even |
| 16:24.45 | stew | yes |
| 16:24.51 | mjk64 | stew: =) |
| 16:24.54 | stew | squrrels are rats with fluffy tails |
| 16:24.56 | licued | hey |
| 16:25.05 | mjk64 | stew: lol |
| 16:25.14 | mjk64 | stew: Okay, then I love rats! =) |
| 16:25.16 | stew | i got jaded from keeping birdfeeders for many years |
| 16:25.31 | sussudio | stew: these fly... right for your face. |
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| 16:25.46 | thingfish | me too - I can't use them because of squirrels. Anymore I just scatter the seed on the ground. |
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| 16:26.03 | mjk64 | sussudio: And what do they do /then/? Lay eggs in your brain? %-) |
| 16:26.05 | sussudio | thingfish: tmi. |
| 16:26.05 | licued | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:26.23 | stew | thingfish: i used to keep water guns near every window for the squirrels, which at least made it fun for a while |
| 16:26.24 | sussudio | mjk64: eat the brain |
| 16:26.30 | mjk64 | sussudio: Yummyyyy! 8-) |
| 16:27.09 | valdyn | licued: try |
| 16:27.20 | antgel | ok, this is weird. have a machine which was 192.168.168.175 via dhcp. edited interfaces to make it static 192.168.168.30. restarted networking. it was ok for a while, but now the static address is relegated to eth0:0 and it has picked up 175 again as eth0! |
| 16:27.23 | licued | well, that's actually what I did valdyn |
| 16:27.23 | licued | hehe |
| 16:27.31 | licued | it's compiling right now, I just don't see the difference |
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| 16:28.20 | klync | http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1587694,00.html |
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| 16:29.16 | valdyn | antgel: dhclient is still running? |
| 16:29.25 | mjk64 | klync: unbelievable ... |
| 16:29.29 | mjk64 | sheesh |
| 16:29.32 | stew | will dhclient even run on a alias? |
| 16:29.38 | antgel | valdyn: yes, just noticed that myself. :) |
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| 16:30.03 | klync | mjk64: only slightly more shocking then coming into #debian and seeing the chan go OT |
| 16:30.11 | stew | oh, wait, hmm. how did the static address end up on eth0:0? |
| 16:30.14 | klync | :) |
| 16:30.22 | mjk64 | klync: 8-) |
| 16:30.25 | Fox_1_ | for make menuconfig i must be in that kernel which i want to configure? |
| 16:30.49 | valdyn | antgel: i suppose, since you didnt ifdown before makeing the iface static, ifdown wont stop dhclient |
| 16:31.03 | licued | valdyn, what is going to happen? |
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| 16:31.06 | thingfish | Fox_1_: you need to be in the unpacked kernel source dir. |
| 16:31.21 | antgel | valdyn: indeed. but i was doing it all over the network. i suppose it's not a bug, technically |
| 16:31.34 | valdyn | licued: dhclient will just keep running and set the IP + whatever in its 'usual' intervals |
| 16:31.52 | valdyn | licued: so the interface does dhcp after 0-6 minutes or whatever your interval is |
| 16:31.57 | Fox_1_ | i'm in installed but not run kernel's headers dir. |
| 16:32.14 | stew | antgel: seems like networking restart should have killed dhclient, though possibly not if you had started it by hand |
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| 16:32.35 | stew | Fox_1_: you don't make menuconfig in a kernel-headers dir |
| 16:32.50 | Fox_1_ | why? |
| 16:33.00 | Buc | what command do i issue to determine cdrom drive /dev ? |
| 16:33.21 | antgel | stew: i didn't start it by hand. i have seen this type of behaviour before with interfaces. it doesn't like state change while networking is up |
| 16:33.32 | valdyn | Buc: that's a little more tricky |
| 16:33.32 | Fox_1_ | stew but it work, with some errors:))) |
| 16:33.45 | Piggy | it's tricky tricky tricky! |
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| 16:33.53 | stew | Fox_1_: you make menuconfig in the kernel-source dir before you compile. there is nothing to compile in the kenrel-headers directory |
| 16:34.03 | Manolis | Does anyone know if pcmciautils is available as a debian package for unstable somewhere? |
| 16:34.06 | Buc | valdyn dmesg buffer no longer holds bootup info so i can't tell from bootup |
| 16:34.10 | Fox_1_ | a ok |
| 16:34.17 | valdyn | Buc: what kind of cdrom is it |
| 16:34.23 | stew | Fox_1_: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? |
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| 16:34.41 | Buc | valdyn lite-on dvd rom drive |
| 16:34.52 | valdyn | Buc: so atapi i suppose |
| 16:35.02 | valdyn | Buc: ls /proc/ide/ |
| 16:35.02 | liberty | aye Buc! greetings |
| 16:35.03 | Fox_1_ | stew i want to recompile my kernel with some changes |
| 16:35.12 | valdyn | Buc: your kernel is ? |
| 16:35.12 | Buc | yea |
| 16:35.15 | Buc | sup liberty |
| 16:35.32 | Buc | liberty you in arizona? |
| 16:35.35 | ryan` | is there anyway to create a presistant PPP interface? |
| 16:35.40 | liberty | nm. just wondering what libnetpbm was.. ;o) no california |
| 16:35.50 | Buc | yea its /dev/hdb |
| 16:35.53 | stew | Fox_1_: you need to get kenrel-sources-$(uname -r), then untar it, cd to the directory, cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) ./.config && make oldconfig |
| 16:36.03 | stew | Fox_1_: but, out of curiosity, what are you going to change? |
| 16:36.05 | valdyn | Buc: /proc/ide/hdb/media will know |
| 16:36.07 | liberty | or /dev/sdb for scsi |
| 16:36.09 | Buc | liberty oh. thought you were a guy i knew by the name of liberty young |
| 16:36.12 | ryan` | I need to make a PPP interface that continues to exist when pppd is not running. |
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| 16:36.42 | liberty | actually my rn is phil |
| 16:36.50 | valdyn | ryan`: how the hell would that make sense? |
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| 16:37.07 | mjk64 | valdyn: He could do some traffic counting. |
| 16:37.08 | steal | hi all |
| 16:37.08 | liberty | I was thinking you were Buc from #suse |
| 16:37.14 | ryan` | valdyn: it'd be down, but still there. |
| 16:37.23 | Buc | valdyn i got it now thanks to you :) |
| 16:37.24 | steal | i'm trying to compile ambulant to see smil file |
| 16:37.42 | Fox_1_ | stew at first i want to change my kernel from i386 to k7. |
| 16:37.43 | steal | but it give me some error |
| 16:37.47 | valdyn | ryan`: pppd doesnt have to have dialed in to be running, and the interface will still exist |
| 16:37.49 | kingmike | Hi ! Just switched to Debian from Fedora. I heard about the testing dist, which I'd like to use. Unfortunately, I installed from the internet with a floppy, then I didn't got the choice. How to upgrade to testing from stable ? |
| 16:37.51 | Buc | liberty no he just registered my nick before i thought about doing so |
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| 16:37.53 | w3rdn4 | hmmm |
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| 16:37.58 | liberty | never-the-less.. hope it all is going smooth for ya. |
| 16:37.59 | stew | Fox_1_: you can just apt-get a k7 kernel |
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| 16:38.03 | Buc | yea |
| 16:38.19 | ryan` | I'm using multipath routing, and the kernel deletes the whole multipath route if a device it's using dissapears, which is no good. |
| 16:38.20 | steal | ambulant configure script can't find ffmpeg(but it is installed) |
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| 16:38.39 | steal | and can't find qt(so it is installed) |
| 16:38.44 | ryan` | the ppp interface goes away when there is no ppp connection |
| 16:38.47 | stew | Fox_1_: just apt-get install kernel-image-2.4-k7 |
| 16:38.57 | ryan` | breaks my stuff. |
| 16:38.57 | Fox_1_ | i have done that |
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| 16:39.05 | rskoetie | hi all. i'm looking for a software to burn 4 cd in the same time. Does any one know anything to do that ? |
| 16:39.06 | stew | Fox_1_: so why do you want to recompile? |
| 16:39.53 | werewolf | Hi all, I'm installing debian sarge with a cdrom, but lvm2-udeb is corrupted. I don't have another CD, can I pass some parameter to boot for non loading/using lvm? |
| 16:39.56 | Fox_1_ | stew i want to add telephony support |
| 16:40.09 | ryan` | valdyn, make sense? |
| 16:40.34 | stew | Fox_1_: the debian kernels have pretty much everything enabled that is possible, unless you are going to apply some 3rd party patch |
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| 16:41.06 | Tank- | Debian... Ive got 200 odd debian box's need to keep track of package versions for each machine in a central location |
| 16:41.11 | Tank- | i figured surely someone else has had this problem but can't find anything.. |
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| 16:41.40 | Fox_1_ | stew ok, now how can i know what has my kernel enabled? |
| 16:41.50 | werewolf | rskoetie: apt-get install cdcontrol |
| 16:42.18 | liberty | Fox_1_, try lsmod |
| 16:42.30 | kingmike | How to switch to testing from the unstable distro ? |
| 16:42.38 | stew | Fox_1_: less /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:43.09 | aktinos | kingmike: normally, you can't |
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| 16:43.37 | werewolf | kingmike: rename "unstable" --> "testing" in /etc/apt/sources.list, and study the pin sistem in the APT HOWTO |
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| 16:43.54 | kingmike | werewolf : thanks a lot |
| 16:44.19 | werewolf | kingmike: you're welcome |
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| 16:44.43 | liberty | stew, wow that's a way cool command! ;o) |
| 16:44.50 | rskoetie | werewolf, ok, i've installed it, but, there is a front end ? or is it just a new feature for k3b |
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| 16:45.32 | Om | Sorry if I'm just being an idiot here... If I have a RAID 5 array of 4 100gb disks, then all the material I've read says that the array's capacity will be ~300gb, but if it's meant to survive one disk failing, then all the data on that disk must also be on another disk, so why is the capacity ~300gb rather than ~200gb? |
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| 16:45.49 | werewolf | rskoetie: I don't use it, I simple used the reverse search on dependence of aptitude :) |
| 16:46.00 | stew | kingmike: there is no easy or foolproof way to downgrade. if you replace unstable or sid with testing in sources.list, you will *eventully* be running testing (as newer versions of the packages you have installed enter testing. you can manually try to downgrade select packages with apt-get install pkg=version |
| 16:46.07 | Lanix | evolution does not show emages ? |
| 16:46.35 | kingmike | stew : it's not about downgrading. I am running stable, and I want to get testing |
| 16:46.43 | liberty | lanix, were the images sent in the email? |
| 16:46.49 | rskoetie | werewolf, ok, thanks, i'm going to check :) |
| 16:46.52 | Lanix | yes |
| 16:47.03 | stew | < kingmike> How to switch to testing from the unstable distro ? |
| 16:47.04 | Ungy | Om wel lets so you have 4 disks right so 33% of each disk back up the others right so what is 66.6Gig + 66.6Gig + 66.6Gig + 66.6Gig? |
| 16:47.10 | stew | kingmike: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 16:47.11 | liberty | lanix, gotta be honest I don't use evolution |
| 16:47.27 | Lanix | whats better than evolution ? |
| 16:47.31 | liberty | lanix, there's probably a setting. |
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| 16:47.46 | liberty | lanix, but I wouldn't dare enable html in email |
| 16:47.48 | valdyn_ | Lanix: why should evolution not be able to show images? |
| 16:47.49 | stew | Lanix: images are loadable as an option in teh view menu |
| 16:48.02 | Lanix | ok |
| 16:48.27 | liberty | lanix, there ya go.. I was right, stew is on the ball |
| 16:48.40 | Lanix | yes he is |
| 16:48.44 | stew | Lanix: i'd recommend you don't enable it for all messages, you can load them for an individual message in the view menu for that message |
| 16:48.51 | Lanix | thanks stew |
| 16:49.04 | liberty | he's helped me before |
| 16:49.08 | Om | Ungy, I still don't see it >.< if the total amount of disk space is 400gb, then if every bit of data is on two disks then why isn't it 200gb? :( |
| 16:49.08 | Lanix | got it |
| 16:49.10 | liberty | stew ^ |
| 16:49.13 | Lanix | :) |
| 16:49.48 | Ungy | Om you have 4 disks and they are all set up in the same array right |
| 16:50.02 | Om | Yes |
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| 16:50.41 | Ungy | Om so you array is set to handle 1 disk failing |
| 16:50.51 | Om | Yeah |
| 16:51.05 | Ungy | Om so that means 3 of the four disks will always be operating |
| 16:51.18 | liberty | r2 the disk && ops check good |
| 16:51.21 | Om | Yes |
| 16:51.23 | Ungy | Om what is 3/4 of yoru total size |
| 16:51.39 | Om | Hmm |
| 16:52.15 | DonVincenzo | how can I where my ipod is in /dev/ ? |
| 16:52.20 | Fox_1_ | how can i compare to files? |
| 16:52.23 | Om | Yeah, thanks Ungy :) |
| 16:52.34 | Om | I just couldn't see it >.< |
| 16:52.42 | Ungy | Om, at any given time your array is spannign for disks one possible failure that means at any given time 33% of each disk mirros the others |
| 16:52.56 | liberty | i love debian, I know I am pissing some off right now. I shall quiet down in mark 3.2.1. silence |
| 16:54.06 | goccia | ves* :) |
| 16:54.12 | Om | Got it, thanks again Ungy :) |
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| 16:54.37 | Ungy | Om np but if you set up a dual array you woud have only 200 ;-) |
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| 16:55.03 | Om | yah |
| 16:55.24 | mtnman | fox_1_: if you mean compare two files, man diff |
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| 16:56.27 | myiagy | i have the source of an udeb package, how do i build it? if i try dpkg --build it says it can't find DEBIAN/control, i'm guessing udebs structure is diferent.. and may require another application to build? |
| 16:56.52 | valdyn_ | myiagy: what exactly do you have? |
| 16:57.11 | myiagy | i have a debian folder |
| 16:57.23 | myiagy | with rules control copyright and changelog |
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| 16:57.37 | myiagy | a base_config_menus folder with some scripts |
| 16:57.39 | valdyn_ | myiagy: ok, cd to the parent directory of that debian folder |
| 16:57.43 | myiagy | ok |
| 16:57.55 | valdyn_ | myiagy: now run dpkg-buildpackage |
| 16:57.56 | w3rdn4 | what type of umask command would allow for read, write, and exe? |
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| 16:58.41 | myiagy | valdyn_ oh, i don't have that |
| 16:59.02 | valdyn_ | myiagy: just run 'debian/rules binary' |
| 16:59.16 | Fox_1_ | there is no kernel-image-2.4.27-2-k7 source ????? |
| 16:59.40 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: nope, sources are not configured, so they cannot be cpu-specific |
| 16:59.47 | loxley_ | w3rdn4: 0 |
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| 16:59.59 | Fox_1_ | aaa |
| 17:00.05 | valdyn_ | s/sources/source packages/ |
| 17:00.21 | Fox_1_ | valdyn_ you mean i must download kernel-image-2.4.27-2 source? |
| 17:00.26 | myiagy | valdyn_ when i run the rules it will build the .udeb? i need to install make and some other dependencies to run it |
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| 17:00.43 | Vaubo | Is there a module so i can control how much apache may upload or can i do it on another way |
| 17:00.49 | valdyn_ | myiagy: thats not how it works |
| 17:01.14 | valdyn_ | myiagy: the rules file in debian sources builds *every* package made from just those sources, all debs and all udebs |
| 17:01.27 | Tank- | Debian... Ive got 200 odd debian box's need to keep track of package versions for each machine in a central location. i figured surely someone else has had this problem but can't find anything. (sorry to repeat) If someone knows theres not anything thats helpful also, Ill start writing my own. |
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| 17:01.42 | Fox_1_ | valdyn_ but i found source package for kernel-image-2.4.27-i386 |
| 17:01.49 | myiagy | valdyn_ i ran the rules, it said, touch build-stamp |
| 17:01.57 | myiagy | it seems to be all that happened |
| 17:02.02 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: why are you even trying this? |
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| 17:02.13 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: just install kernel-source-2.4.27-2 |
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| 17:02.58 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 17:03.07 | valdyn_ | !info kernel-source-2.4.27-2 sarge |
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| 17:03.35 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: oh well its called differently |
| 17:03.55 | valdyn_ | Fox_1_: apt-cache search can help you find i t |
| 17:04.20 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any way to calculate directory size like du -shx dir but in bytes? ( -b option doesn't do that accurately) |
| 17:04.32 | lib_0 | cp data > knotes lol |
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| 17:04.47 | valdyn_ | hid3: what is inaccurate about it? |
| 17:05.00 | mlewis00 | Does anyone here have a Synaptics Touchpad working _well_ on a laptop or is it basically a given that it isn't going to work well? I've spent many hours bouncing between Google, XF86Config-4, starting and restarting X and I can't get it to work _well_...If someone has it working well I'd appreciate a copy of their XF86Config-4...Thanks! |
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| 17:05.50 | hid3 | valdyn_: let's say du -shx dir shown me the dir is around 35M, but when using -b, it displays 25768128.. |
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| 17:06.59 | w3rdn4 | how do you copy a directory? |
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| 17:07.07 | fbi | cp -R |
| 17:07.10 | fbi | man cp |
| 17:07.23 | penguin_ | When will OPenOffice 2.0 become part of testing? |
| 17:07.31 | valdyn_ | hid3: umm, you need to compare du -shx to du -sbx |
| 17:08.06 | hid3 | valdyn_: ash I've read, -b doesn't sum the bytes taken by fragmention and etc.. |
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| 17:09.02 | lupz | why the anaconda porting isn't distributed as debian standard installer ? |
| 17:09.08 | pjota | what can i choose for the new gnome 2.12, Xorg or Xfree86? |
| 17:09.18 | _rene_ | penguin_: when KDE goes in. and it itself is ready to go in which means when it is built, has no RC bugs etc |
| 17:09.20 | valdyn_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:09.50 | penguin_ | I use Gnome |
| 17:09.54 | valdyn_ | lupz: b/c it sucks? |
| 17:10.02 | sussudio | !b/c |
| 17:10.02 | dpkg | from memory, b/c is because, and mind you we are not aol! See u, ne1. |
| 17:10.08 | _rene_ | and? that doesn't say anything. |
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| 17:10.16 | lupz | valdyn_: the porting or anaconda ? |
| 17:10.26 | _rene_ | one package (openoffice.org-kde) depends on KDE. So the stuff waits for KDE |
| 17:10.38 | pjota | done, i chose xfree86 |
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| 17:10.48 | _rene_ | anyway, it has one RC bug more than it should have atm anyway so it won't go in atm anyway |
| 17:11.01 | penguin_ | Open office depends on KDE? |
| 17:11.02 | valdyn_ | lupz: anaconda...its not ported to all arches supported by debian, so it cannot be default installer. |
| 17:11.04 | _rene_ | and there's still some stuff to do |
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| 17:11.12 | enyc | penguin_: no |
| 17:11.12 | _rene_ | penguin_: one package. the KDE integration stuff |
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| 17:11.43 | penguin_ | So open office will run on gnome but not KDE? |
| 17:11.55 | _rene_ | OOo doesn't care where it runs |
| 17:11.56 | lupz | valdyn_: and it couldn't be the default on the supported ones ? |
| 17:12.09 | valdyn_ | lupz: right, it couldnt |
| 17:12.14 | _rene_ | just the damn integration package (Look etc) needs newer KDE libs |
| 17:12.30 | _rene_ | that's the reason why it can only go into testing after unstables KDE goes into testing |
| 17:12.57 | _rene_ | that has nothing to do with what you use or what OOo truns under b ecause that is irrelevant |
| 17:13.21 | _rene_ | anyway, if you really need 2.0, get it from unstable |
| 17:13.43 | penguin_ | I will wait, but still not understanding this. |
| 17:13.47 | lupz | valdyn_: a powerful installer like anaconda will help debian get a lot of users, the installation process of debian remembers some old amiga software.. |
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| 17:14.20 | lupz | valdyn_: it is being be ported to the required archs ? |
| 17:14.40 | resiak | lupz: d-i is powerful. A graphical frontend to d-i is already under development, and I _think_ will be in Etch. |
| 17:14.40 | penguin_ | I think OPenOffice 2.0 might be the end of MS. |
| 17:14.48 | gnupengwyn | YES |
| 17:14.51 | gnupengwyn | hehehe |
| 17:15.29 | penguin_ | I understand Base will sub for Access. |
| 17:15.35 | gnupengwyn | they still got MEDIA under grips though penguin_ |
| 17:15.58 | penguin_ | I cant wait to have a look at base |
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| 17:16.17 | lupz | resiak: the gui for d-i is grafical only by which library is choosen not as intended for usability and help for new linux users.. |
| 17:16.45 | gnupengwyn | I honestly ain't found a way to bypass .wmv files for quality video (Sacrifice) (sic) + audio (sacrifice) in .mov |
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| 17:17.03 | resiak | lupz: That sentence made exactly no sense. Anaconda is no easier to use IME than d-i anyway. |
| 17:17.42 | penguin_ | I noticed that my latest upgrade upgraded the kernel headers. |
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| 17:17.57 | lupz | resiak: you are an experienced user, me too but we are not who is intended to be helped by the graphical installer |
| 17:17.59 | penguin_ | The headers will upgrade but not the kernel? |
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| 17:18.46 | resiak | lupz: I've had this argument about 50 times. I will say nothing more, apart from asking you to define exactly how anaconda is easier to use. |
| 17:18.53 | penguin_ | There is no really simple way to upgrade the kernel? |
| 17:19.08 | resiak | penguin_: apt-get install a new image, reboot to it. |
| 17:19.16 | lupz | resiak: bbs |
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| 17:19.24 | resiak | !bbs |
| 17:19.24 | dpkg | i guess bbs is IPB, VBulliten, PHPBB it is a php based system which uses a mysql data base to hold information |
| 17:19.37 | resiak | Okay, that's a shit factoid. |
| 17:19.40 | resiak | dpkg: forget bbs |
| 17:19.40 | dpkg | i forgot bbs, resiak |
| 17:19.58 | penguin_ | Do you have to mess around with lilo or grub? |
| 17:20.12 | resiak | penguin_: If you use grub, dpkg manages all that for you. |
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| 17:20.33 | gnupengwyn | wrong. a bbs is dsz port 1 speed 57600 dt |
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| 17:20.38 | penguin_ | So just apt-get install new image, and then just reboot? |
| 17:20.46 | resiak | penguin_: Yes. |
| 17:20.47 | gnupengwyn | dt == d t |
| 17:21.17 | penguin_ | BUt regular upgrade leaves kernel alone? |
| 17:21.36 | resiak | penguin_: If you don't upgrade the kernel, then of course the kernel is left alone. |
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| 17:22.20 | fbi | you mean if i don't upgrade my kernel i'll be running the same kernel? whoa! |
| 17:22.22 | sha1sum | hey gnome and gnome-office are dummy packages that can be safely removed, right? |
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| 17:22.45 | Tank- | tank |
| 17:23.03 | stew | sha1sum: ys |
| 17:23.10 | stew | yes* |
| 17:23.15 | EasterSunshine | where is the link to the big huge official debian user manual? |
| 17:23.33 | stew | !reference |
| 17:23.33 | dpkg | well, reference is The Debian Reference. Will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. |
| 17:23.33 | resiak | !dr |
| 17:23.33 | dpkg | hmm... dr is sometimes short for Disaster Recovery |
| 17:23.43 | egas | Hi when I do this command "apt-get install python-dev" I recieve this error... |
| 17:23.43 | egas | debconf: Perl may be unconfigured (Can't load '/usr/lib/perl/5.8/auto/IO/IO.so'.... |
| 17:23.43 | egas | What can I do to fix that? |
| 17:23.44 | resiak | stew: You win this time ;) |
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| 17:23.46 | EasterSunshine | thx stew and dpkg |
| 17:23.50 | stew | !no dr is <reply> see reference |
| 17:23.50 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 17:24.11 | stew | resiak: that will give you an edge next time :) |
| 17:24.17 | resiak | stew: Heheh. |
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| 17:24.55 | penguin_ | Oops got frozen there, They could design it with automatic kernel upgrades |
| 17:25.04 | stew | egas: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 17:25.18 | cristian23___ | hello |
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| 17:25.28 | resiak | penguin_: If you install kernel-image-2.6-arch rather than kernel-image-2.6.8-arch, then that will happen |
| 17:25.30 | egas | stew: just a second... |
| 17:25.45 | resiak | penguin_: but you do still need to reboot. |
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| 17:26.14 | egas | stew: how do I see that? |
| 17:26.16 | diorgenes | #thecrims |
| 17:26.25 | cristian23___ | i have an ultrasparc with debian, and when i try to do an x -query to an ubuntu box it start looping restarting X |
| 17:26.35 | stew | egas: when how did you install it? what does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 17:26.37 | sha1sum | are GNOME and KDE the only desktop environments for linux? (not speaking of WM's here) |
| 17:26.46 | abrotman | sha1sum: no |
| 17:26.51 | resiak | sha1sum: xfce4, gnustep, etc |
| 17:26.57 | abrotman | enlightenment could be |
| 17:27.30 | egas | stew: 3.0 |
| 17:27.40 | cristian23___ | the intel boxes works fine, and an alpha with dec unix has the same problem than the sparc |
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| 17:27.44 | cristian23___ | any suggestion? |
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| 17:28.07 | stew | egas: oh, 3.0 shouldn't have perl 5.8 at all, did you install perl 5.8 from source? |
| 17:28.10 | penguin_ | 2.6.8-1-386 #1 Do I need to upgrade the terminal? |
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| 17:28.18 | penguin_ | I mean the kernel |
| 17:28.31 | egas | stew: yep... |
| 17:28.31 | sha1sum | anybody know how to empty a wastebasket that tells me I don't have permissions to empty it? |
| 17:28.54 | egas | stew: how do I upgrade the debian? |
| 17:28.56 | sha1sum | I mean, it says for each file that I don't have permissions, not the wastebasket itself... |
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| 17:29.15 | stew | egas: you have to fix perl first |
| 17:29.18 | cristian23___ | it is possible to be an incompatibility between xorg and xfree when doing xdmcp |
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| 17:29.49 | egas | stew: do you know where can i find a good tutorial to do that? |
| 17:29.52 | cristian23___ | hello?.... |
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| 17:30.15 | penguin_ | apt0get upgrade |
| 17:30.29 | stew | egas: do you still have 5.6 installed on your system? can you maybe symlink the perl binary back to 5.6 so you can attempt to upgrade? |
| 17:30.38 | stew | egas: did you install perl to /usr/local or to /usr? |
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| 17:31.12 | mlewis00 | Does anyone have a Synaptics Touchpad working _well_? |
| 17:31.24 | abrotman | do they ever? |
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| 17:31.35 | cristian23___ | ok thanks anyway |
| 17:31.52 | mlewis00 | Don't know, this is the first one I've tried to set up :( |
| 17:32.02 | egas | stew: that is the problem... i do not have more de 5.6 ... and the is in a different folder... |
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| 17:32.43 | mlewis00 | It works fine in Windows but I don't _want_ to use Windows :-( |
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| 17:33.18 | egas | stew: cant i just uninstall 5.8 and reinstall the 5.6? |
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| 17:33.37 | resiak | mlewis00: There's one working perfectly nearby, but I don't know how to make that happen since it's !Debian. |
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| 17:34.16 | mlewis00 | resiak: Don't know what you mean...I'm running Debian too. |
| 17:34.19 | stew | egas: well you can't install 5.6 from debian, becuase your perl isn't working, you need to figure out how to get a working perl (with that IO.so file) first |
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| 17:34.40 | darksatanic | I'm trying to do a [sarge] chroot install with cdebootstrap. |
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| 17:34.44 | resiak | mlewis00: This machine isn't, is all :) |
| 17:34.48 | mlewis00 | resiak: Oh, I should have read more closely...missed the ! ... |
| 17:34.55 | resiak | mlewis00: So yes, someone does have one working well. |
| 17:34.57 | darksatanic | I'm getting simply the error "Terminated" when I try to run base-config |
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| 17:35.07 | darksatanic | Any ideas on why? |
| 17:35.33 | mlewis00 | resiak: Do you know what OS it is...Redhat, or.... |
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| 17:36.09 | egas | stew: humm.... so i'm kind fk here.. |
| 17:36.16 | resiak | mlewis00: Ubuntu. But you shouldn't need a whole new distro for it. You should just need the appropriate packages, and maybe a kernel module, and magical incantations in your X config. |
| 17:36.40 | egas | stew: can i mv de IO.so to the folter that it is looking for?? |
| 17:37.04 | EdibleText | egas, symlink it |
| 17:37.11 | stew | egas: wait you have one? from where? |
| 17:37.17 | abrotman | !synaptics |
| 17:37.17 | dpkg | i guess synaptics is http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html#Download, or for synaptics support in x install xfree86-driver-synaptics, or try modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse if its not working |
| 17:38.17 | stew | < egas> stew: that is the problem... i do not have more de 5.6 ... <-- maybe i misinterpreted this, can you try saying that again? |
| 17:38.32 | mlewis00 | resiak: It's the magic incantations that I'm missing...I have the kernel driver working, the xfree86-driver-synaptics package installed and working, the pad works in X, but it doesn't work _well_ (i.e. spurious signals when making rapid movements, almost impossible double-click, etc.). |
| 17:38.43 | resiak | mlewis00: Can't help, sorry. |
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| 17:39.20 | spb_nick | Hello :) Which is the correct and modern way of setting up a private CA on Debian? Just modifying openssl.cnf and using openssl tool, plus in house CRL scripts? Setting up pyCA? And where is it correct to store CA's files? /etc/ssl/myca? Thanks in advance :) |
| 17:39.51 | egas | stew: well, you aked to me ... <stew> egas: do you still have 5.6 installed on your system? |
| 17:40.06 | stew | do you? |
| 17:40.08 | mlewis00 | resiak: Oh well, thanks anyway...but does the person with Ubuntu have the time or inclination to post his XF86Config-4? That is Debian based and should work the same on my system... |
| 17:40.23 | resiak | mlewis00: less /usr/share/doc/xfree86-driver-synaptics/* |
| 17:40.27 | resiak | mlewis00: And no, she doesn't. |
| 17:40.46 | egas | stew: nop... |
| 17:40.47 | egas | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.47 | egas | This is perl, v5.8.7 built for i586-linux |
| 17:41.34 | mlewis00 | resiak: Ok, well thanks anyway...I've been through all of the docs and quite a few hours on Google but no luck...maybe I have a defective touchpad or something :( |
| 17:41.41 | resiak | mlewis00: Good luck. |
| 17:41.41 | egas | stew: but i think it is kind running... |
| 17:41.47 | Vaubo | Is there a module so i can control how much apache may upload or can i do it on another way |
| 17:42.01 | abrotman | Vaubo: #apache ? |
| 17:42.03 | mlewis00 | resiak: Thanks! |
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| 17:43.23 | stew | egas: you need to get that IO.so installed in your working perl, it is part of perl-base on debian, you could maybe try getting it from the perl-base package on http://packags.debian.org/perl-base ; i don't know but its possible this is part of the IO package from CPAN, which might be another way to get it |
| 17:44.34 | egas | stew: ok.. i'll try it... thanks very much... |
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| 17:47.37 | spb_nick | Does anybody know why "dmsetup table" shows "striped 2 128" while LV was created using "lvcreate -i2 -I64"? Which is actual stripe size, 64 or 128? Thanks :) |
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| 17:49.23 | warreng | i've used ubuntu a bit as a desktop OS... i have a server currently running redhat enterprise and i'm not happy with it at all... how similar would debian be to ubuntu (in terms of package management) in a server environment? are there ways i could make the server automatically update any critical security issues and so on? |
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| 17:50.12 | fnord | hi. i get this error when i want to connect to my mysql database: ERROR 1130: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server. what can i do about it? i think it's just one line in /etc/mysql/my.cnf, but i don't know which one... |
| 17:50.47 | warreng | fnord: ask in #mysql... that's a mysql user permission issue (not in the my.cnf, rather in the mysql.* tables) |
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| 17:51.53 | fnord | warreng: ah of course... sorry |
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| 17:53.56 | valdyn_ | warreng: debian's packagemanagement is the same as ubuntus, debians repository is different, debians policy is different, automatic security updates is possible |
| 17:54.13 | stew | warreng: you would find ubuntu and debian identical with respect to pacakage management. unattended upgrading is frowned upon, if something goes wrong, you might not be able to get back in to fix it remotely. The best bet is just to subscribe to debian-security-announce which only gets messages when there are new packages available because of security reasons |
| 17:54.52 | hawking | does anyone use openoffice writer here? |
| 17:55.01 | valdyn_ | !anyone |
| 17:55.02 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question was if anyone used <someprogram> ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:56.02 | stew | hawking: #debian-oo |
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| 17:57.28 | lupz | resiak: still there ? |
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| 17:58.04 | Fox_1_ | in grub menu.lst i add windows line, but i don't know what to write in root. windows is in /dev/hda1 |
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| 17:58.26 | pumpkin0 | Fox_1_: (hd0,0) |
| 17:58.27 | stew | Fox_1_: look at /usr/share/doc/grub/examples/ for a windows example |
| 17:58.47 | XTF | Hi. What could be wrong with a server if SSH and Apache are still accepting connections and sending ACKs but refuse to send any data? |
| 17:58.53 | lupz | resiak: i was saying that anaconda is more user friendly for a lot of reasons, 1) graphically it is more clear and helps understand better (with pictures too) what you are doing |
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| 17:58.56 | Fox_1_ | why (hd0,0)? |
| 17:59.03 | Fox_1_ | what's that mean? |
| 17:59.15 | pumpkin0 | Fox_1_: first disk and first partition on that disk |
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| 17:59.47 | lupz | resiak: 2) the language and the questions are better explained for the non-experienced user |
| 18:00.28 | Fox_1_ | after changes i must reconfigure grub. yes? |
| 18:00.39 | hawking | does anyone know how I can define the height and the width of a column? I have to divide the page to two columns with some specific width and height( a goddamn computer homework) |
| 18:00.44 | stew | Fox_1_: no, you needn't do anything after editing menu.lst |
| 18:00.57 | pumpkin0 | Fox_1_: no. grub rereads /boot/grub/menu.lst automaticly. |
| 18:01.05 | stew | hawking: ask #openoffice.org |
| 18:01.06 | lupz | resiak: 3) it supports minimal interaction during the installation process, still leaving the power to change a lot of predefined options |
| 18:01.28 | Fox_1_ | ok |
| 18:01.41 | stew | XTF: i'd guess the server is out of memory or is fork bombed. try sshing and leaving the connection open, you may get a response eventually |
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| 18:02.24 | lupz | resiak: 4) it's graphically pretty |
| 18:02.35 | sha1sum | Hey what window manager would you guys recommend for a GNOME user that wants something similar in features but goes easy on the processor load? |
| 18:02.48 | lupz | resiak: all these features are missing from the d-i gui project |
| 18:02.56 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 18:02.59 | abrotman | sha1sum: sawfish or metacity is what most use |
| 18:03.21 | PerfDave | sha1sum: KDE! :) |
| 18:03.24 | valdyn_ | lupz: language and looks arent really technical merits and can easily be fixed in any installer.. |
| 18:03.31 | sha1sum | PerfDave: yuck |
| 18:03.35 | sha1sum | abrotman: thanks :) |
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| 18:03.45 | sha1sum | PerfDave: KDE does NOT go light on the processor heh |
| 18:03.56 | lupz | valdyn_: in anaconda this work has already be done, and very well. i think |
| 18:04.07 | PerfDave | sha1sum: It does when you turn antialiasing off ;) |
| 18:04.14 | fbi | graphically pretty? who f***ing cares about pretty. |
| 18:04.27 | abrotman | when you turn off all the crap the KDE devs put in .. it runs just fine :) |
| 18:04.34 | fbi | if i wanted a graphical installer, i'd run redhat. |
| 18:04.41 | fbi | what is the point of this. |
| 18:04.42 | sha1sum | hahaha |
| 18:04.45 | XTF | stew: Fork bombing would require local access, right? |
| 18:04.48 | PerfDave | I never quite understood why installers were given so much attention. I mean, you install once. Day-to-day usage is far more important. |
| 18:04.49 | sha1sum | fbi: or SuSE ;) |
| 18:04.51 | spb_nick | Ok, someone named roadrunner on #lvm had the answer about stripe size for me: stripe size is 64, because dmsetup shows stripe size in 512b blocks :) |
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| 18:04.59 | pumpkin0 | XTF: yup. |
| 18:05.10 | fbi | the d-i works fine, even for beginners. |
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| 18:05.38 | XTF | Then I doubt that's the issue. |
| 18:05.41 | stew | XTF: yeah, but out of memory is more likely |
| 18:05.49 | valdyn_ | i seem to recall that d-i will install debian just fine if you just keep hitting enter on each prompt |
| 18:06.30 | XTF | stew: Is there a way to deal with that, like killing the memory hungry processes? |
| 18:06.30 | XTF | Or reserving a certain amount of memory for SSH? |
| 18:06.30 | abrotman | valdyn_: for most people .. |
| 18:06.30 | fbi | valdyn_: it does exactly that, right up to the point where you need to enter a root pass. |
| 18:06.30 | pumpkin0 | XTF: remotly,... no |
| 18:06.31 | stew | XTF: yes, kill the memory hungry processes :) |
| 18:06.31 | spb_nick | valdyn_: also there was a saying, that even chicken could do that ;) |
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| 18:06.38 | valdyn_ | abrotman: yea, but that is an issue that any installer will have ( working only for most ) |
| 18:06.44 | XTF | stew: I mean automatically and without remote access which isn't possible now. |
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| 18:07.17 | stew | XTF: no |
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| 18:08.01 | valdyn_ | XTF: local resource exhaustion DoS cant really be avoided iirc |
| 18:08.04 | XTF | stew: Why not? |
| 18:08.20 | XTF | valdyn_: Why can't memory be reserved for SSH? |
| 18:08.37 | valdyn_ | XTF: i have no idea about that, but there is plenty ways to do a local DoS |
| 18:08.52 | valdyn_ | XTF: not really worth trying to fix much there.. |
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| 18:09.38 | stew | XTF: like i said before, try sshing in and leaving that ssh window open, you might *eventuall* actually get a shell |
| 18:09.41 | stew | eventually* |
| 18:10.22 | XTF | stew: It stopped sending pongs too, so I doubt it. :( |
| 18:10.26 | valdyn_ | XTF: very few very small processes can easily hammer IO subsystem enough so that that computer wont get to do much else |
| 18:10.28 | stew | XTF: if you allow root ssh, you might "ssh root@server /etc/init.d/apache stop" which will not even bother starting a shell, it will just stop apache as soon as it gets logged in |
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| 18:10.53 | stew | XTF: time to make a phonecall to someone who can get physical access |
| 18:11.08 | stew | XTF: and talk to them about setting up a serial console for you :) |
| 18:11.31 | XTF | valdyn_: I don't think someone is locally attacking the server, it must be a 'normal' process. |
| 18:12.15 | spb_nick | Sorry for asking again, but this is the second and last time: "Which is the correct and modern way of setting up a private CA on Debian? Just modifying openssl.cnf and using openssl tool, plus in house CRL scripts? Setting up pyCA? And where is it correct to store CA's files? /etc/ssl/myca?" Thank you :) |
| 18:12.24 | pumpkin0 | XTF: http://www.ss64.com/bash/ulimit.html |
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| 18:12.40 | FlimFlamMan | what package is "dig" in? |
| 18:12.46 | FlimFlamMan | (stable) |
| 18:12.49 | valdyn_ | !tell FlimFlamMan -about search |
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| 18:13.10 | XTF | pumpkin0: Thanks, but I know about ulimit. |
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| 18:14.22 | pumpkin0 | XTF: if you use that one carefully, you can limit your server-processes to a certain point. |
| 18:14.48 | FlimFlamMan | i didn't find dig, but i did discover that there is a menstruation calendar in the repositories, so not a total waste. |
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| 18:15.55 | stew | FlimFlamMan: apt-file search bin/dig ; /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:16.03 | pumpkin0 | FlimFlamMan: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=dig&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
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| 18:16.31 | XTF | pumpkin0: But it's a bit hard to (try to) limit everything 'negatively' if you only want to reserve something for SSHd. |
| 18:16.37 | lupz | valdyn_: anaconda has a package selection procedure very well organized and understandable for the non-experienced user |
| 18:16.48 | Kilter | I'm having a problem with printing (just hooked up a printer). |
| 18:16.53 | Kilter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:16.53 | Kilter | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:17.04 | lupz | valdyn_: the network settings procedure tool is very clear |
| 18:17.04 | Kilter | I'm sure that it's connected correctly |
| 18:17.25 | FlimFlamMan | pumpkin0, thanks |
| 18:17.31 | fbi | lupz: how much time do you actually spend in your installer? do you have a job where you get paid to sit there installing linux all day long over and over? |
| 18:17.32 | pumpkin0 | XTF: are there that many services running on that server ? |
| 18:17.42 | Kilter | can anyone assist in tracking down the problem with the printer? |
| 18:17.42 | fbi | the d-i does *exactly* what it needs to do, and nothing more. |
| 18:18.09 | valdyn_ | lupz: and 'tasksel' is hard to grasp? |
| 18:18.17 | thingfish | hehe valdyn_ |
| 18:18.19 | valdyn_ | lupz: you can run it even after installing.. |
| 18:18.37 | lupz | fbi: no, actually i think that it will be useful for debian to use that installer to gather more users |
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| 18:19.04 | fbi | lupz: the d-i seems to attract users just fine. |
| 18:19.04 | thingfish | lupz: debian has a huge install base already. |
| 18:19.21 | stew | lupz: didn't progeny try that? how many users do you know that run/ran progeny? |
| 18:19.29 | fbi | lupz: seriously, how much time do you spend in your installer? |
| 18:19.30 | valdyn_ | i'd be worried that the bts would detoriate alot too =/ |
| 18:19.34 | goccia | d-i does it in 40 seconds , 45 ? |
| 18:19.35 | thingfish | I'll take minimal but functional over pretty gui on top of trash anyday. |
| 18:19.41 | lupz | fbi: btw i'm interested because i can make a monkey able to install debian with anaconda and kickstart, and yes this is an interest for my work |
| 18:19.44 | fbi | thingfish: word. |
| 18:19.52 | thingfish | right on |
| 18:19.59 | fbi | lupz: a monkey can hit enter 20 times, which is what it takes. |
| 18:20.04 | EdibleText | lupz, but then who supports the installed system for said monkey |
| 18:20.10 | fbi | your logic is ridiculous. |
| 18:20.13 | stew | lupz: monkeys should probably run ubuntu, not debian |
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| 18:20.14 | lupz | fbi: not interacting with the installation |
| 18:20.15 | pumpkin0 | XTF: http://lwn.net/Articles/104179/ but i don't think you will like it. |
| 18:20.20 | fbi | haha stew |
| 18:20.32 | stew | lupz: have you tried ubuntu? (which uses the same installer as debian) |
| 18:20.38 | N0S3 | hello |
| 18:20.43 | N0S3 | stew: hello |
| 18:20.51 | lupz | EdibleText: nobody, if they have problems they return the box and we give another one |
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| 18:21.03 | stew | hi |
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| 18:21.28 | EdibleText | lupz, I see but then why dont you install it for them |
| 18:21.33 | PerfDave | lupz: There are many automated installers for Debian, like FAI. |
| 18:21.45 | fbi | lupz: you haven't answered my question. how much time do you spend 'interacting' with your installer? you need pretty buttons to click and captions to read? |
| 18:21.56 | fbi | i'd rather get it done, and be on my way. |
| 18:22.02 | lupz | because with anaconda and kickstart the "installation staff" isn't required :) |
| 18:22.12 | fbi | whatever. |
| 18:22.13 | stew | fbi: he's asking for anaconda which isn't gui based iirc |
| 18:22.18 | PerfDave | lupz: Also, d-i does *far* more than Anaconda does, and works on *far* more architectures in *far* more situations. It'd be more work to port anaconda fully to Debian than it would be to bring d-i up to whatever standards of prettification you desire :) |
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| 18:22.29 | fbi | stew: i know, but he's saying the d-i isn't 'pretty' |
| 18:22.34 | N0S3 | how I modify the automatic beginning of the fsck at start?? |
| 18:22.37 | lupz | fbi: for the clients this is a feature required, so i have to use fedora instead of debian |
| 18:22.39 | fbi | that's the whole basis of his argument |
| 18:22.53 | marty | how do i view the input of my serial ports? |
| 18:22.55 | EdibleText | sometimes you must kill a chicken to scare the monkeys |
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| 18:23.08 | stew | N0S3: what do you mean modify? what filesystem are you using? ext2? ext3? something else? |
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| 18:23.17 | marty | is there a command or set of commands that lets me view the input of particular ports? |
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| 18:23.40 | valdyn_ | marty: ethereal ( gui ) or tcpdump ( cli ) |
| 18:23.44 | pumpkin0 | marty: try cat /dev/ttyS0 |
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| 18:23.47 | lupz | PerfDave: i will think the same if something was being done to enhance the usability and graphical appereance of d-i |
| 18:23.52 | stew | lupz: there have been previous attempts to use anaconda on debian, why don't you see who's involved and offer to help out? |
| 18:24.02 | PerfDave | lupz: Feel free to submit a patch :) |
| 18:24.11 | thingfish | there is actually something about a gui d-i in this weeks Debian Weekly News. |
| 18:24.12 | N0S3 | stew: i unknown my filesystem |
| 18:24.27 | valdyn_ | lupz: graphical d-i is being worked on btw |
| 18:24.28 | lupz | PerfDave: i think what is being done is too poor for this |
| 18:24.29 | stew | N0S3: what do you mean by modify? |
| 18:24.30 | N0S3 | stew: how I discover it? |
| 18:24.31 | pumpkin0 | N0S3: try "mount" |
| 18:24.36 | N0S3 | ok |
| 18:24.41 | XTF | pumpkin0: No, not that many, but I I still think it's very hard to limit each one perfectly. |
| 18:24.59 | PerfDave | lupz: So make it better. Go join the Debian Installer team, subscribe to their mailing lists or whatever, otherwise you're just whining and wasting everybody's time :) |
| 18:25.01 | N0S3 | stew: /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount-ro) |
| 18:25.12 | N0S3 | :-[ |
| 18:25.20 | fbi | PerfDave: well said |
| 18:25.37 | stew | N0S3: thats good. now what do you mean by "how I modify the automatic beginning of the fsck"? |
| 18:25.43 | pumpkin0 | XTF: well, you still may try a OOM killer. But be sure to read and understand everything the docs have to say about these. |
| 18:25.44 | fbi | although i still think the d-i is great as is. |
| 18:25.48 | lupz | PerfDave: if i have the time to do this i will have done, but i need to run my work and fedora and anaconda is the only solution.. but anaconda on debian i think is not only my need but it is useful for the community |
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| 18:26.26 | thingfish | we'll let the red hatters keep their trash. |
| 18:26.35 | HPS`Fresh | :) |
| 18:26.46 | valdyn_ | lupz: you're basing this on the wrong assumption that noninteractive installs cannot be done w/ debian? |
| 18:26.49 | PerfDave | lupz: Do you really think you're the only person who's considered it? The d-i team made a decision not to go with Anaconda. They've made this decision clear and given their reasons for it. I suggest you go do some research :) |
| 18:26.49 | lupz | PerfDave: btw supposing that a solution is better, for no reason who proposes this solution should implement it too.. |
| 18:27.00 | N0S3 | stew: i need disable the automatic start at boot of fsck |
| 18:27.13 | pumpkin0 | N0S3: why ? |
| 18:27.18 | stew | N0S3: why? that's a bad idea. you should only be fsking when necessary |
| 18:27.23 | lupz | PerfDave: i was *asking*, if there are reasons where i can read them ? |
| 18:27.27 | PerfDave | lupz: Whining about it on #debian isn't proposing a solution. Talking to the d-i team is. |
| 18:27.33 | PerfDave | lupz: Google is your friend :) |
| 18:27.34 | N0S3 | stew: pumpkin0: :-[ |
| 18:27.38 | lupz | valdyn_: semi-interactive |
| 18:27.56 | stew | lupz: why do you think anaconda is better than using d-i + discover? |
| 18:28.12 | PerfDave | d-i can do semi-interactive installs, preseeded with passwords and partition layouts and anything else you want :) |
| 18:28.20 | lupz | stew: because is more user friendly |
| 18:28.25 | stew | lupz: in what way? |
| 18:28.29 | stew | lupz: what's an example? |
| 18:28.34 | stew | lupz: have you tried ubuntu? |
| 18:28.35 | fbi | how is the d-i 'semi-interactive' ??? have you ever done an expert install ? i don't want an installer more 'interactive' than that. |
| 18:28.49 | fbi | i can't take much more of this. |
| 18:28.54 | lupz | stew: i've already said the reasons, look on the chat buffer |
| 18:28.55 | pumpkin0 | N0S3: OK, search file with postfix "fsck" in /etc/rc?.d and remove them. Your system will not start after crashs, if something goes wrong your data is lost. |
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| 18:29.25 | PerfDave | It's pretty obvious that lupz has no good arguments, and doesn't know what d-i does or is capable of doing, and hasn't bothered to find out. I suggest we leave them to their misconceptions. |
| 18:29.26 | kingmike | How to get the 2.6 kernel on debian ? |
| 18:29.33 | N0S3 | pumpkin0: ok |
| 18:29.43 | valdyn_ | kingmike: apt-get install it |
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| 18:29.45 | PerfDave | kingmike: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6, install the one that best suits your CPU(s) |
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| 18:29.47 | fbi | kingmike: apt-get or aptitude ? |
| 18:29.48 | N0S3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.59 | kingmike | thanks |
| 18:30.01 | pumpkin0 | knigmike: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<your-cpu-type> |
| 18:30.06 | stew | lupz: i read the /lastlog, your reason is that you want a gui? anything else? |
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| 18:30.18 | lupz | PerfDave: them to their ? btw look to the four points missing in d-i and not in anaconda |
| 18:30.49 | thingfish | *plonk* |
| 18:30.54 | fbi | ditto. |
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| 18:31.03 | gnupengwyn | pumpkin0, are there magic numbers for ext3? |
| 18:31.08 | lupz | stew: isn't that the reason |
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| 18:31.33 | stew | lupz: ok so you want a gui, that is being worked on for d-i, anything else? or problem solved? |
| 18:31.36 | fbi | next he's gonna complain about how there are no cute icons to stare at while installing apps |
| 18:31.42 | litb | hi! where can i get the debian config file for vim? |
| 18:31.46 | thingfish | hehe |
| 18:31.49 | PerfDave | lupz: Yes, four highly subjective and debatable points. And as I said, whining about it here won't help. Go talk to the d-i team, they might be able to take your suggestions on board. |
| 18:31.50 | XTF | pumpkin0: An OOM killer and then a normal reboot don't sound that bad comparing to a completely frozen systemn. |
| 18:31.54 | stew | lupz: /etc/vim/vimrc |
| 18:31.57 | pumpkin0 | gnupengwyn: do you mean the partition-type inside the partition-table or the real thing ? |
| 18:32.21 | litb | hehe, i dont have the file here |
| 18:32.22 | N0S3 | pumpkin0: stew: some tool (CD or diskette) or another element to facilitate the repair of filesystem ?? I need him to detect the units automatically and it repairs them |
| 18:32.23 | EdibleText | fbi, there isnt any soothing muzak |
| 18:32.28 | EdibleText | during install |
| 18:32.32 | gnupengwyn | fsck magic numbers (some notes you have written down perhaps) for ext3 |
| 18:32.37 | Fox_1_ | can i install debian 3.1 in Compaq prosignia 500??? |
| 18:32.43 | lupz | PerfDave: maybe i will do that, i was asking here for reasons hoping someone could have said it to me |
| 18:32.47 | pumpkin0 | XTF: it may kill init at first, frezing the system first go... |
| 18:32.49 | litb | is there a place in the net where i can get it? |
| 18:32.58 | fbi | EdibleText: hah. |
| 18:33.13 | XTF | pumpkin0: Still not worse then the current situation I think |
| 18:33.19 | stew | N0S3: boot a livecd like ubuntu or knoppix, and repair from there |
| 18:33.30 | N0S3 | stew: ok |
| 18:33.34 | gnupengwyn | pumpkin0, I have 'notes' written down for magic numbers in ext2 (for example) |
| 18:33.41 | Beik | litb: Maybe, reinstall vim? |
| 18:33.44 | litb | 'cause i dont use debian here, but on work |
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| 18:34.02 | PerfDave | lupz: And we've already stated that the d-i team have very good reasons for not using Anaconda, and that you can find them on the web. |
| 18:34.03 | litb | and debians vim config is sexy :) |
| 18:34.10 | pumpkin0 | gnupengwyn: have you tried using "file" on the partition-image ? |
| 18:34.25 | valdyn_ | litb: download the .deb. unpack it. |
| 18:34.30 | gnupengwyn | pumpkin0, I'm not actually trying to recover atm |
| 18:34.33 | valdyn_ | litb: its an ar archive |
| 18:34.41 | Kilter | I have cupsys and not cups. the cupswrappermfc210c package, when I run it complains that /etc/init.d/cups: Command not found. and then stops the install. what do I do about this? |
| 18:34.43 | N0S3 | stew: that system of files recommends me? ? I have ext3 |
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| 18:34.56 | gnupengwyn | pumpkin0, nevermind. |
| 18:34.56 | stew | N0S3: i don't understand |
| 18:34.57 | litb | year, thanks alot |
| 18:35.12 | jef_ | what is most recent kernel I should get for sarge on amd 2600 |
| 18:35.24 | valdyn_ | jef_: use the one in sarge |
| 18:35.33 | Beik | litb: Download package from http://packages.debian.org/vim && dpkg -i vim_*.deb |
| 18:35.35 | pumpkin0 | gnupengwyn: you will find the magic inside the file-package. I just don't know there... |
| 18:35.36 | N0S3 | stew: what filesystem recommends me? ? I have ext3 |
| 18:35.53 | stew | N0S3: ext3 the one you should be using |
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| 18:36.17 | N0S3 | stew: ahh ok |
| 18:36.20 | pumpkin0 | N0S3: ext3 is the "best" fs for generall use. |
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| 18:36.32 | gnupengwyn | pumpkin0, yeah neither you nor +HCUNIX knows |
| 18:36.36 | N0S3 | pumpkin0: ahhh |
| 18:36.37 | Kasumix | ive got a big problem.... i just build my own pc with some older hardware... the BIOS seems to detect all the necessairy hardware but when i try to install debian after the CD Boot screen the installation crashes... i tried to boot Knoppix but same thing after i hit return in the CD bootscreen the monitor turns off and i cant see anything anymore.... What can i do ? |
| 18:36.51 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:36.59 | gnupengwyn | pumpkin0, Nor I just to be complete |
| 18:37.01 | pumpkin0 | N0S3: ypu can tune the amount of fscking at startup with tune2fs |
| 18:37.17 | fbi | Kasumix: possible IRQ conflict, try swapping pci cards around |
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| 18:37.31 | Kasumix | i have not even a pci card inserted... |
| 18:37.33 | N0S3 | ahhh |
| 18:37.35 | Beik | Kasumix: Or maybe bootparam 'vga=0' is needed? |
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| 18:37.43 | stew | Kasumix: which debian installer are you using? did you try both the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
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| 18:38.00 | Kasumix | i just downloaded the newst version from the Homepage.... |
| 18:38.18 | Kasumix | but im realy not sure if there could be a hardware problem... |
| 18:38.30 | stew | Kasumix: did you try booting with "linux26" you might alsy try "linux pci=biosirq" or "linux acpi=off" |
| 18:38.32 | Kasumix | i tried the netinstall cd first there i receved a CRC Error |
| 18:38.48 | pumpkin0 | gnupengwyn: it's /usr/share/misc/file/magic => search for ext3 |
| 18:38.49 | stew | Kasumix: you might try running memtest86 |
| 18:39.09 | Fox_1_ | i want to install debian, but it give me an error: VM: killing process cp and stoping. what that mean and how to correct that? |
| 18:39.26 | lindi- | Fox_1_: sounds like you are running out of RAM |
| 18:39.42 | Kasumix | somethimes when i trun the pci on the screen doesent start and i have to kill the pc..... |
| 18:40.03 | Fox_1_ | lindi- the comp have 32mb ram. |
| 18:40.13 | lindi- | Fox_1_: and no swap? |
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| 18:40.28 | Fox_1_ | lindi- i just want to install |
| 18:40.47 | Fox_1_ | lindi- it do when i boot from CD. |
| 18:41.06 | pumpkin0 | Fox_1_: install more RAM and try again. Or use an OLD version. |
| 18:41.34 | N0S3 | stew: pumpkin0: in these moments I don't have cd-rom, some similar version to the knoppix but in diskette? (that it allows me to repair ext3) |
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| 18:41.51 | Fox_1_ | pumpkin0 debian 3.1 doesn't installed in 32mb? |
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| 18:42.27 | pumpkin0 | Fox_1_: not easily. It will need a swap-space. If it doesn't find one... |
| 18:42.36 | legrand | NOS3: try TomsRtBt |
| 18:42.42 | Kasumix | 1 sec |
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| 18:43.24 | Kasumix | still reciving crc error even with linux26 |
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| 18:43.38 | Fox_1_ | pumpkin0 listen when you buy computer with empty HDD and want to install debian, so how you install it it's haven't swap-space |
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| 18:44.16 | fbi | Fox_1_: you use the d-i to create a swap partition. |
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| 18:44.25 | fbi | or you can use a swap file. |
| 18:44.54 | pumpkin0 | Fox_1_: use a old version, like 2.0. |
| 18:45.26 | Fox_1_ | i start to install 3.0, and it doesn't give an errors, yet:) |
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| 18:46.07 | Sheik | hello |
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| 18:47.20 | Kasumix | cant anybody help me ? |
| 18:47.51 | pumpkin0 | Kasumix: have you double checked the download with md5sum ? |
| 18:48.48 | Kasumix | no but i could install my netinstall diks on other pcs well... |
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| 18:49.09 | Kasumix | the matter is there is no OS on the PC i would like to install debian... |
| 18:49.22 | pumpkin0 | Kasumix: have you tried installing windows ? Or memetest86 ? |
| 18:49.27 | valdyn_ | Kasumix: what CPU is this error on? |
| 18:49.38 | Kasumix | the cpu is a intel celeron 2ghz |
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| 18:49.44 | Kasumix | 1 moment im gonna fetch XP cd |
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| 18:51.19 | Kasumix | ive just inserted the windows XP cd.... after i Hit enter (Press any key to boot) i receve a black screen |
| 18:51.22 | Kasumix | notthing happens anymore |
| 18:51.46 | valdyn_ | isnt memtest on d-i too? |
| 18:51.55 | valdyn_ | isnt memtest on debian install disks too? |
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| 18:51.57 | Eddie__ | Hi all, is in normal to get 'Unknown device' from lspci??? e.g 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation: Unknown device 4318 (rev 02) |
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| 18:52.11 | Fox_1_ | in my computer hdd and cdrom are SCSI, and when i start installing it doesn't see hdd and cdrom. how can i run installation in SCSI? |
| 18:52.35 | valdyn_ | Eddie__: yea, thats normal on devices that are newer than your pciid list, run 'update-pciids' |
| 18:52.49 | Kasumix | semms that im not even avible to install windows..... |
| 18:52.59 | Kasumix | what kind of HW problem could that be ? |
| 18:53.02 | Eddie__ | valdyn_: thanks, I'll try that |
| 18:53.03 | valdyn_ | Eddie__: these names are looked up on a simple name - value table.. |
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| 18:53.17 | ClawGirl | hello and today |
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| 18:53.41 | pumpkin0 | Kasumix: test the RAM for 1-2 days and cross fingers. Or the monitor is not able to display normal resolutions.. |
| 18:53.42 | ClawGirl | perphaps some of you rember me from yesterday that I had a problem installing debian |
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| 18:53.52 | ClawGirl | well I manage to install debian finally |
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| 18:54.05 | valdyn_ | !win ClawGirl |
| 18:54.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, ClawGirl! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 18:54.09 | ClawGirl | but know I face a new problem and I would like your guidance |
| 18:54.10 | Kasumix | its a fresh bought RAM... |
| 18:54.22 | hispafuentes | buenas tardes |
| 18:54.25 | valdyn_ | Kasumix: maybe the wrong type? |
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| 18:54.32 | Eddie__ | valdyn_: wow that worked... that was easy :-). Good thing to know... I'm obviously a newbie. |
| 18:54.33 | valdyn_ | Kasumix: something is very wrong with your system anyway |
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| 18:54.41 | ClawGirl | dpkg why you make fun of me? |
| 18:54.41 | Kasumix | ya i noticed that too |
| 18:54.45 | ClawGirl | Mercy... |
| 18:55.06 | valdyn_ | !dpkg, what are you |
| 18:55.06 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 18:55.16 | monster | ClawGirl: dpkg is a bot |
| 18:55.17 | Kasumix | hmmm The BIOS is accepting the RAM and siplays installed RAM=490 MB |
| 18:55.21 | Fox_1_ | in my computer hdd and cdrom are SCSI, and when i start installing it doesn't see hdd and cdrom. how can i run installation in SCSI? |
| 18:55.24 | bkhl | Bots have no mercy. |
| 18:55.28 | ClawGirl | monster oh ok |
| 18:55.34 | stew | ClawGirl: don't worry about, it was meant in a light hearted manner |
| 18:55.39 | monster | ClawGirl: me to |
| 18:55.48 | fbi | !gender |
| 18:55.49 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 18:55.52 | fbi | ooooooooooooer. |
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| 18:56.10 | monster | syntax error: s/to/too |
| 18:56.13 | stew | monster: you need to tell your author to give you some better grammar rules ("me too") |
| 18:56.21 | stew | :) |
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| 18:56.39 | Eddie__ | valdyn_: thanks |
| 18:56.40 | stew | monster: unterminated s expression :) |
| 18:56.45 | ClawGirl | well trying to install the oracle 9i I have some problems I first time see that kind of problems |
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| 18:56.59 | valdyn_ | !oracle |
| 18:56.59 | dpkg | oracle is, like, the world's most advanced database server, see this great installation guide: http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml |
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| 18:57.02 | dpm | I have just compiled and installed my kernel with make-kpkg (with kernel_image and kernel_header targets). How do I go about patching a module? I do not have to recompile the whole thing again, do I? |
| 18:57.18 | monster | syntax error s/#$#$ bot crashed causing SIDSEV 11 |
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| 18:57.34 | Deek | sidsev...heh |
| 18:57.35 | Fox_1_ | heyyyyyyy how install debian in SCSI hdd? |
| 18:57.36 | valdyn_ | ClawGirl: oracles installer doesnt support debian, google knows workarounds |
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| 18:58.23 | ClawGirl | well I know that but is there any way to make it work? I installed it but with errors |
| 18:58.45 | ClawGirl | and what about Xorg when they are going to fix the problem with shared memory? |
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| 19:00.15 | Deek | Must be cold. |
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| 19:01.01 | pjota | how can i reconfigure input devices actual config? |
| 19:01.03 | FinnTux | any grep/sed/awk wizards here? |
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| 19:01.11 | FinnTux | I have a text file... |
| 19:01.11 | pjota | non XF86Confif editing |
| 19:01.28 | FinnTux | first few lines are like "Header: some value" |
| 19:01.34 | FinnTux | then a blank line |
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| 19:01.43 | FinnTux | then few lines of text |
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| 19:02.02 | FinnTux | how do I get rid of those headers+blank line? |
| 19:02.15 | FinnTux | leaving only the text body |
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| 19:02.38 | fbi | pjota: define 'actual config', where do you think your input devices are configured? |
| 19:02.41 | bkhl | FinnTux: So it's like a mail? Then you could use formail. |
| 19:02.43 | marty | my serial ports don't seem to be setup |
| 19:02.48 | FinnTux | no not mail. |
| 19:02.50 | marty | and i don't know how to do it |
| 19:02.53 | qwertz | Hi, does anybody know some desktop search engine that is able to index source code (.c/.php) (most search engines I found take a dictionary)? |
| 19:02.53 | FinnTux | SMS |
| 19:02.54 | abrotman | FinnTux: grep -v ? |
| 19:02.59 | marty | i enabled them in the BIOS |
| 19:03.02 | bkhl | FinnTux: close enough, possibly. |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | qwertz: grep ? |
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| 19:03.22 | FinnTux | http://smstools.meinemullemaus.de/fileformat.html |
| 19:03.24 | pjota | i installed new 2.6.8 kernel and my laptop touchpad don't work properly |
| 19:03.31 | marty | when using setserial, this is the response i get quixote:/# setserial /dev/ttys1 |
| 19:03.31 | marty | /dev/ttys1: Input/output error |
| 19:03.31 | marty | quixote:/# setserial /dev/ttys0 |
| 19:03.31 | marty | /dev/ttys0: Input/output error |
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| 19:03.45 | FinnTux | bkhl, yes, close |
| 19:03.47 | bkhl | FinnTux: otherwise it would be easy with sed, if you know you just want to cut anything up until the first blank line. http://www.student.northpark.edu/pemente/sed/sed1line.txt |
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| 19:04.17 | marty | i am back |
| 19:04.17 | dpm | I have just compiled and installed my kernel with make-kpkg (with kernel_image and kernel_header targets). How do I go about patching a module? I do not have to recompile the whole thing again, do I? |
| 19:04.25 | marty | does anybody have an idea? |
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| 19:04.36 | fbi | pjota: 1) don't edit XF86Config 2) /msg dpkg drx 3) use /dev/psaux |
| 19:04.37 | cow | hi |
| 19:04.41 | fbi | !moo |
| 19:04.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:05.29 | cow | without haviing had a look at approx, how is it "better" than apt-proxys? Any users of either? |
| 19:05.33 | jshriver | Greetings everyone ^_^ |
| 19:05.33 | qwertz | abrotman, I'm trying to get away from grep, cause it takes about 4-5 minutes to grep all source files |
| 19:05.35 | Jel | Is there any easy ("debian way" or apt-automated way) to get DRI working on a prosavage video card? |
| 19:05.38 | abrotman | marty: ttyS0 |
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| 19:05.46 | jshriver | Anyone know how to plot multiple datasets in the same graph using gnuplot? |
| 19:06.01 | FinnTux | thanks bkhl. It's there |
| 19:06.01 | marty | abrotman: use setserial with ttys0? |
| 19:06.05 | abrotman | Jel: ask #dri .. see if there's support at all |
| 19:06.06 | agentbob | can someone explain to me why: echo "'asdf!/asdf"; works but echo "asdf!/asdf"; gives an error in bash? |
| 19:06.06 | marty | i tried that as well |
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| 19:06.14 | PerfDave | apt-proxy uses assloads of RAM, even when it's not being used. |
| 19:06.16 | abrotman | marty: unix is case sensitive .. it is ttyS0 .. notice .. S not s |
| 19:06.20 | PerfDave | agentbob: #bash probably can :) |
| 19:06.23 | marty | ok |
| 19:06.26 | agentbob | perf: thanks |
| 19:06.27 | Jel | abrotman: there is. Can't find any up-to-date debian repositories though. |
| 19:06.31 | swiatek | what channel do i have to go to in order to request a channel on this irc server? |
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| 19:06.38 | abrotman | !savage |
| 19:06.38 | dpkg | http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html |
| 19:06.39 | cow | dpkg, get your transparency right first before getting _that_ silly, will ya? (i sent a patch against you, to fix that aspect of yours, so shut the "()%= up) |
| 19:06.41 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:06.43 | PerfDave | swiatek: Check http://www.freenode.net/ |
| 19:06.53 | FinnTux | saved me a lot of googling :) |
| 19:06.58 | abrotman | !hi |
| 19:06.58 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 19:07.06 | cow | !slap dpkg |
| 19:07.08 | swiatek | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 19:07.27 | cow | idiot bot |
| 19:07.28 | fbi | !milk cow |
| 19:07.36 | Sitron[] | Anyone here running Debian testing on x86_64 with Gnome 2.10? I am, but the window-list is always empty.. |
| 19:07.37 | bkhl | FinnTux: that's a handy page, alright. |
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| 19:07.46 | marty | abrotman: thanks :-D |
| 19:08.00 | abrotman | Sitron[]: pure64 ? |
| 19:08.06 | cow | fbi, whatever |
| 19:08.19 | abrotman | stupid cow |
| 19:08.24 | jshriver | Does Debian offer PVM/OpenMosix/MPI/etc ? |
| 19:08.37 | PerfDave | jshriver: http://packages.debian.org/ will tell you :) |
| 19:08.40 | abrotman | jshriver: apt-cache search mpi ? |
| 19:08.47 | fbi | abrotman: let's make some fresh cheesesteaks. |
| 19:08.49 | compDo | After the last dist-upgrade (etch), k3b is not more available and I can't install it manually. And idea what happend to this package? |
| 19:09.00 | abrotman | fbi: i know where we can get steak and cheese! |
| 19:09.05 | fbi | weeeeeeeeeeee |
| 19:09.10 | PerfDave | compDo: Take a look on http://qa.packages.debian.org/ ? |
| 19:09.12 | jshriver | apt-cache search mpi gives a million entries ;) |
| 19:09.17 | abrotman | jshriver: i noticed :) |
| 19:09.18 | FinnTux | bkhl, bookmarked now |
| 19:09.22 | Sitron[] | abrotman: Yes.. Or, what do you mean? I installed the Debian x86_64 version of Etch.. |
| 19:09.39 | abrotman | jshriver: apt-cache search mpich |
| 19:09.39 | jshriver | I'm not sure how to really setup a cluster... but didn't know if I needed to download extra packages or if Debian had supportt |
| 19:09.40 | Coweater | compDo: do you have grip installed? |
| 19:09.49 | fbi | Coweater: eat cow please. |
| 19:10.03 | klync | hey.. wierd problem with rsync: i have --delete on, and files that match --exclude="*.nodelete" still get deleted from the destination if they're missing from my source... anyone know a workaround? |
| 19:10.12 | Jel | abrotman: that should do it; thanks :) |
| 19:10.13 | compDo | PerfDave, your url does not word |
| 19:10.19 | cow | how is approx superior to apt-proxys? |
| 19:10.21 | jshriver | abrotman thanks :) |
| 19:10.29 | jshriver | Now if I can get gnuplot working lol |
| 19:10.34 | jshriver | Anyone here use gnuplot? |
| 19:10.38 | abrotman | you need MPI for gnuplot ? |
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| 19:10.42 | compDo | Coweater, no, grip is not installed. Why? |
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| 19:10.54 | jshriver | abrotman: na... different problem.. gnuplot for work... MPI at home / research |
| 19:10.58 | abrotman | ah |
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| 19:11.14 | abrotman | i was going to say .. that's some heavy plotting :0 |
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| 19:11.19 | jshriver | I'm trying to generate a graph with multiple lines in it... I can do one now, but not sure how to do multiple |
| 19:11.30 | jshriver | abrotman: lol... would be, maybe for some intense 3d models |
| 19:11.34 | Coweater | compDo: perhaps something else is depending on the new version of libid3 then, but if you upgrade it i know it forces k3b to be removed |
| 19:11.37 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | hi :) one question, how to install all package with apt-get ?! in one simple command? :))) |
| 19:12.01 | abrotman | AuReUs_ReCtoR: you cannot |
| 19:12.08 | Ronin | AuReUs_ReCtoR: all packages? as in all avaiable? thats not possible |
| 19:12.20 | compDo | are there any similar applications with a GUI? |
| 19:12.32 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | hmmm... i get sarge1 in 2 dvd |
| 19:12.40 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | and i want all package in dvd2 to install |
| 19:12.40 | abrotman | and ? |
| 19:12.53 | abrotman | AuReUs_ReCtoR: you cannot do that .. packages conflict |
| 19:12.56 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | p.s: sorry for bad English :/ |
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| 19:13.19 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | hmm, soo i must packet by packet? |
| 19:13.42 | mjk64 | Why does "apt-cache show irssi" show *nothing*? If the package didn't exist, it would complain, but it doesn't. I cannot find "irssi" using aptitude's search function, either, but: Why is the apt-cache output empty? |
| 19:13.52 | abrotman | AuReUs_ReCtoR: no .. you choose what to install |
| 19:13.57 | fbi | mjk64: irssi-text ? |
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| 19:14.00 | abrotman | mjk64: irssi-text |
| 19:14.04 | Ronin | AuReUs_ReCtoR: it is NOT possible to install everything |
| 19:14.07 | abrotman | mjk64: apt-cache search irssi |
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| 19:14.10 | abrotman | Ronin: are you sure? |
| 19:14.23 | Ronin | abrotman: no but id bet money on it |
| 19:14.28 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | hmmm, i don`t want everything :) just what is in cd |
| 19:14.30 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | nothing more :P |
| 19:14.33 | abrotman | Ronin: .12 ? |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | AuReUs_ReCtoR: what is on the CD ? |
| 19:14.45 | Ronin | abrotman: id go as high as one whole dollar :) |
| 19:14.49 | Ronin | course its a cdn dollar |
| 19:14.53 | Deek | you try installing exim, exim4, and postfix at the same time. |
| 19:14.58 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | abauer, just package |
| 19:15.04 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | abrotman, * |
| 19:15.05 | HPS`Fresh | guys, can i create *.deb packeges from other sorce? pppd for example.... |
| 19:15.32 | mjk64 | fbi: abrotman: I found irssi-text using aptitude's search function, but why is the "apt-cache show"-output empty? |
| 19:16.02 | abrotman | mjk64: apt-cache search irssi |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | mjk64: apt-cache show irssi-text |
| 19:16.21 | compDo | Guys, which tool do you use to burn your data CD-Rs ? |
| 19:16.21 | mjk64 | abrotman: Yes, but err ... hmm ... I guess I'm muttering or something. :-) |
| 19:16.21 | bkhl | HPS`Fresh: check out checkinstall. |
| 19:16.28 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | soo, nothing for me :)) i must package by package? |
| 19:16.40 | Fox_1_ | can i make debian boot floppy with SCSI modules, then start installing from SCSI cdrom? |
| 19:16.43 | abrotman | mjk64: do you want a cookie? |
| 19:16.50 | mjk64 | *lol* |
| 19:16.56 | Ronin | AuReUs_ReCtoR: you dont even need everythign on the cds, just pick what you want and install it |
| 19:16.56 | ClawGirl | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | AuReUs_ReCtoR: why would you install stuff you don't need? .. it's not windows |
| 19:17.08 | abrotman | !cookie |
| 19:17.38 | abrotman | ClawGirl: it's not fun .. i got 9i working .. but it was on woody |
| 19:17.40 | Ronin | ClawGirl: didnt someone earlier suggest google? |
| 19:17.43 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | Ronin, abrotman yes i understand :) but i must dvdrom to back in another pc ... and can`t l8r install package ;)) |
| 19:17.45 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | because |
| 19:17.57 | abrotman | AuReUs_ReCtoR: use the .. intarweb! |
| 19:18.05 | abrotman | it has untold powers! ... you can get stuff from it! |
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| 19:18.16 | Fox_1_ | heyyyyyyyyyyyyy do you what I write? |
| 19:18.17 | lgn | heya |
| 19:18.19 | mjk64 | abrotman: Why is "apt-cache show irssi" empty? Either "irssi" does not exist (but then it should complain about that like "Unable to locate package"), or "irssi" exists, but then apt-get show should show information about it. |
| 19:18.20 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | intarweb? u meen online install? |
| 19:18.22 | ClawGirl | Ronin yes but nothing there I will go and check it again |
| 19:18.33 | abrotman | mjk64: because irssi isn't a package .. it's irssi-text ... |
| 19:18.45 | lgn | has anyone ever had the keyboard go crazy with a 2.6 kernel? keys getting stuck, keyboard locking up completely? |
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| 19:18.53 | mjk64 | abrotman: But then apt-get should *complain* about that! "Unable to locate package" |
| 19:18.55 | abrotman | lgn: sticky keys? |
| 19:19.02 | abrotman | mjk64: and what does it do ? |
| 19:19.02 | mjk64 | hehe |
| 19:19.09 | lgn | abrotman, yeah kinda, sometimes can be interrupted by hitting another key |
| 19:19.13 | mjk64 | abrotman: Nothing. It simply returns to the prompt. |
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| 19:19.21 | lgn | i searched on google and found some people having similar problems, but mostly on toshiba laptops |
| 19:19.30 | liran_ | can i play wmv9 files with totem? |
| 19:19.38 | mjk64 | abrotman: showing, like "irssiasdfasdf" results in "Unable to locate package", just as expected. |
| 19:19.47 | lgn | totem can play whatever gstreamer or libxine can play |
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| 19:19.56 | HPS`Fresh | bkhl cooooool %) tnx very-very-very-very-very much :) |
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| 19:20.03 | abrotman | mjk64: hrm .. dunno .. never seen |
| 19:20.03 | lgn | not sure if they can do media player 9 files though? |
| 19:20.08 | mjk64 | abrotman: And the exit status of apt-cache is 0. %-) |
| 19:20.08 | bkhl | HPS`Fresh: I didn't write it. ;-) |
| 19:20.21 | liran_ | lgn, right, il relphjrase your honor. can libxine or gstreamer support wmv files? :) |
| 19:20.21 | mjk64 | abrotman: So I guess I should file a bug report, right? |
| 19:20.24 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | abrotman, Ronin tnx. |
| 19:20.24 | dpm | hi, anyone here with experience on patching modules? |
| 19:20.27 | HPS`Fresh | by the way, as far as i see, you are talking apout mail daemons |
| 19:20.29 | AuReUs_ReCtoR | cu |
| 19:20.33 | lgn | liran_, :) |
| 19:20.37 | abrotman | mjk64: i'd try to figure out why |
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| 19:20.50 | HPS`Fresh | bkhl but you have done enouth for me :) |
| 19:20.57 | lgn | liran_, is there a .wmv9 file somewhere? i'll tell you if mplayer and xine can play |
| 19:20.59 | mjk64 | abrotman: Which is difficult, at least for a Debian newbie like me. :-} "-v" doesn't say more. |
| 19:21.02 | liran_ | lgn, do i need to download some codec pack or something to get updated? how does this codecs thing work on linux? |
| 19:21.03 | abrotman | mjk64: does the same on mine |
| 19:21.19 | abrotman | mjk64: maybe it's mentioned somewhere? |
| 19:21.22 | mjk64 | abrotman: At least the behavior is consistent, which I love. :-) |
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| 19:21.42 | HPS`Fresh | i`m is very dificult situation. what can you tell about hollywar: exim vs postfix? |
| 19:21.43 | abrotman | mjk64: exactly .. apt-get install irssi |
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| 19:21.49 | lgn | liran_, i think avifile would handle that, but some of this may have license issues.. so i dunno? :/ |
| 19:21.58 | lgn | avifile or ffmpeg? |
| 19:21.59 | mjk64 | abrotman: ? Trying that ... (with -s =) |
| 19:22.17 | pjota | how the fuck i close a man after read? |
| 19:22.18 | lgn | if someone knows a wmv 9 file, i can test with debian's xine and my mplayer |
| 19:22.22 | PerfDave | HPS`Fresh: exim is installed on Debian by default, and does pretty much anything that most people ask of it. |
| 19:22.24 | lgn | pjota, 'q' ? |
| 19:22.26 | mjk64 | abrotman: A-haaaaaaaaaa! |
| 19:22.44 | abrotman | pjota: hit 'q' |
| 19:22.47 | lgn | pjota, man uses 'less' or 'more' for a pager, and q will quit |
| 19:22.47 | EddieM | sorry for the newbie question... what can I type to figure out what version of the kernel I am running? |
| 19:22.52 | pjota | thanks, lgn |
| 19:22.52 | liran_ | ok well |
| 19:23.01 | PerfDave | EddieM: uname -r |
| 19:23.06 | lgn | liran_, i'd say mplayer would bemore likely to handle it |
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| 19:23.11 | liran_ | ill see if there's an update for those gstreamer or libxine packages |
| 19:23.12 | lgn | just need to find a file to test with |
| 19:23.18 | lgn | liran_, doesn't it play? |
| 19:23.19 | mjk64 | abrotman: Okay, then I can file a bug report, because "apt-cache show irssi" should say the same as "apt-get install irssi". Thanx! |
| 19:23.23 | bkhl | HPS`Fresh: Postfix could be good if you want something that's more or less like sendmail, otherwise just go with Exim, I'd say. |
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| 19:23.29 | lindi- | idimmu: afaik wmv9 isn't supported by any debian package |
| 19:23.29 | liran_ | lgn, i have a file on my email, it won't run it (wmv9 version) |
| 19:23.34 | HPS`Fresh | PerfDave yea... it`s play for me much |
| 19:23.37 | EddieM | PerfDave: Thank you soo much |
| 19:23.55 | abrotman | mjk64: perhaps .. |
| 19:24.10 | HPS`Fresh | well 2 for one.... did anybody think different? |
| 19:24.11 | Coutal | lindi-: it can't be because of licensing issues |
| 19:24.18 | lgn | liran_, ah.. well, gstreamer is more of a pluggable kindof system as far as i know, you may be able to add stuff on the fly, but xine really isn't.. |
| 19:24.37 | mjk64 | abrotman: No, no, certainly. =) |
| 19:24.39 | Coutal | you probably need mplayer with a codec loader and BYOD (bring-your-own-dll) |
| 19:24.42 | lindi- | Coutal: but how can it support wmv1 and wmv2 then? |
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| 19:24.57 | lindi- | Coutal: sorry, ignore that, i read "patent issues" |
| 19:24.59 | HPS`Fresh | bkhl PerfDave exim4 is very powerfull thing, but it`s not too easy in tweaking |
| 19:25.04 | mjk64 | abrotman: Also interesting: "apt-cache rdepends irssi" outputs "<irssi>". %-) |
| 19:25.27 | mjk64 | abrotman: are the angle brackets an indication of a virtual package? |
| 19:25.56 | PerfDave | HPS`Fresh: I found it *very* easy to tweak, once I understood how the Debian packaging worked (which is all detailed in /usr/share/doc/exim4* ) |
| 19:26.05 | FlimFlamMan | i thought exim was chosen as the debian default because it's one of the easier packages to configure |
| 19:26.15 | bkhl | HPS`Fresh: I disagree there. Certainly the scripts that come with Debian make it _very_ simple to make a typical setup. But more complicated things are also more straight-forward in Exim, in my opinion. That doesn't mean it's easy, but e-mail never is. |
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| 19:27.10 | ClawGirl | nothing on irc about oracle and debian |
| 19:27.13 | idimmu | lindi- watch your autocompelte :D |
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| 19:27.36 | lindi- | idimmu: i'll try to be more careful in the future |
| 19:27.44 | prunedtree | hi |
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| 19:27.48 | groogs | chmod 660 /whatever/*; chmod 660 /whatever/*; the first one will change permissions .. will the second one cause any disk activity? (in other words, will a chmod 660 on a bunch of files that are already 660 cause a disk write?) |
| 19:27.56 | lgn | lindi-, you'll be dead! |
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| 19:28.21 | prunedtree | i'm looking for help on network configuration |
| 19:28.26 | lindi- | groogs: it shouldn't |
| 19:28.28 | HPS`Fresh | bkhl PerfDave well. basic setup is always simple, but in my case, basic setup is more than shot_your_self. i have more than 10 000 mail users :) |
| 19:28.29 | FlimFlamMan | could someone running stable tell me what the md5sum of your copy of /bin/dd is ? |
| 19:28.32 | ClawGirl | does anyone use Xorg with video shared memory? |
| 19:28.37 | Coutal | ClawGirl: you can make it work. it's a pain. i've done it once. |
| 19:28.38 | PerfDave | groogs: I guess it'll cause disk activity, because the files will need to be stat()ed to see their current permissions. You can always strace it. |
| 19:28.52 | lgn | someone must have a sample .wmv9 file |
| 19:28.55 | groogs | PerfDave: ah good idea.. |
| 19:29.08 | lgn | heh, i found one, but on some porn site D: |
| 19:29.11 | marcot | Hello, I'm having a problem with sound. Just installed sarge and run alsaconf, it exited ok, but alsamixer give the error: |
| 19:29.11 | PerfDave | HPS`Fresh: There's no real difference in configuration between 100 users and 10,000, just performance tweaking :) |
| 19:29.16 | groogs | we're trying to come up with a very dirty hack to fix permissions on something that is hardcoded to set 600 |
| 19:29.17 | marcot | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 19:29.23 | tarzeau | anyone join http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
| 19:29.37 | marcot | Does anyone know what can I do? |
| 19:29.51 | FlimFlamMan | juggle while riding a unicycle? |
| 19:30.00 | ClawGirl | Coutal so it can be installed without problems thats what I first need to know |
| 19:30.01 | lindi- | Coutal: btw, did you notice that mplayer is in incoming.debian.org ? |
| 19:30.10 | groogs | looking at running that every 5 seconds, rather than reading and stat()ing a directory |
| 19:30.14 | tarzeau | lindi-: OMG NOT TRUE? |
| 19:30.15 | myren | lindi-: how the fsck did that happen |
| 19:30.21 | myren | APRIL FOOLS |
| 19:30.24 | lindi- | Coutal: sorry, i mean http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 19:30.28 | Coutal | lindi-: tell me when it gets out of incoming and survives a month without policy violation bugs :) |
| 19:30.31 | tarzeau | lindi-: i can't see it |
| 19:30.45 | lgn | liran_, i think i found a wmv9 clip |
| 19:30.46 | Deek | It's been hitting incoming repeatedly for a while |
| 19:30.56 | lgn | liran_, http://vsdrives.com/movies/Tumble.wmv |
| 19:30.56 | tarzeau | lindi-: it's been there for like half a year! |
| 19:31.03 | prunedtree | i've installed a sarge netinstall behind my winxp box (with ics), but i can't resolve the hostname of the debian system from the win box |
| 19:31.08 | tarzeau | lindi-: and i doubt mencoder will ever be in . just like lame will not |
| 19:31.18 | lgn | liran_, i can play it in mplayer and xine |
| 19:31.24 | Coutal | Deek: it's serving for the pitch, it's uploading the file, and *wham*, it strikes out of incoming and far into the deep internet |
| 19:31.27 | PerfDave | prunedtree: Is the hostname of the Debian system in the DNS server that the Windows box is using? |
| 19:31.30 | lgn | liran_, Selected video codec: [wmv9dmo] vfm:dmo (Windows Media Video 9 DMO) |
| 19:31.32 | lindi- | tarzeau: that's a shame indeed :/ |
| 19:31.33 | ClawGirl | WHY WHY I on earth didnt become a hairdresser and become linux freak............ |
| 19:31.38 | tarzeau | lindi-: why? |
| 19:31.44 | lgn | so, crazy keyboard? anyone? :/ |
| 19:31.48 | prunedtree | PerfDave : i think that's the issue |
| 19:31.56 | Coutal | ClawGirl: because you can get a very very fat paycheck as a linux expert? |
| 19:32.02 | PerfDave | prunedtree: It's not really a Debian issue though :) |
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| 19:32.11 | prunedtree | well, it is |
| 19:32.12 | Coutal | well, at least much more than a hairdresser |
| 19:32.17 | abrotman | mjk64: not sure |
| 19:32.18 | lindi- | tarzeau: because it's very useful for converting files |
| 19:32.22 | prunedtree | the debian system is brand new |
| 19:32.34 | tarzeau | lindi-: indeed, it is |
| 19:32.47 | ClawGirl | I dont care about money I like linux.....My boyfriend saw me linux and from there on I study linux.... |
| 19:32.58 | mjk64 | abrotman: no "<" or ">" in apt-get(8). Oh, well =) |
| 19:33.08 | prunedtree | PerfDave : but it works with another windows system : i can resolve their hostnames |
| 19:33.12 | PerfDave | prunedtree: Why is it a Debian issue? |
| 19:33.18 | abrotman | mjk64: you could email the maintainer instead of filing a but |
| 19:33.19 | abrotman | bug |
| 19:33.20 | Coutal | ClawGirl: working doing something you like is a great boon. do not underestimate that |
| 19:33.33 | Coutal | but if you like it, why do you moan about not becoming a hairdresser? :) |
| 19:33.42 | Deek | Coutal: Don't be too sure about that, you seen what hairdressers charge? :) |
| 19:33.43 | prunedtree | so i guess it's an issue with debian |
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| 19:33.50 | PerfDave | prunedtree: Not over DNS you can't, I suspect. Unless you're using Dynamic DHCP, in which case you need to be asking how to configure dynamic dhcp on Debian :) |
| 19:33.51 | lindi- | tarzeau: anyways, i pasted that incoming.debian.org link accidentally because i've been tracking where eclipse went from incoming, i can't see it anywhere although the /REPORT says it should be in pool/main now |
| 19:33.52 | ClawGirl | I work mainly on graphics design...linux is more like sirius hobby |
| 19:33.53 | ClawGirl | :) |
| 19:34.08 | tarzeau | lindi-: it will be soon. eclipse sucks |
| 19:34.14 | ClawGirl | but here in greece we dont have many people know linux |
| 19:34.22 | prunedtree | PerfDave : i don't know what i'm using, "stuff that figures how to configure itself" i guess |
| 19:34.26 | lindi- | tarzeau: yeah, but where is it now? is the "cp" taking this long? ;) |
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| 19:34.36 | tarzeau | ClawGirl: #debian.tr your neighbours |
| 19:34.37 | Coutal | ah, i'm from israel, we have some linux expertise here but not as much as i'd like |
| 19:34.51 | PerfDave | prunedtree: What makes you think that your Windows boxen are updating DNS automatically? |
| 19:34.53 | prunedtree | the debian system can resolve the windows box without any issue |
| 19:34.56 | mjk64 | abrotman: Hmm ... maybe that's a good idea, since I haven't set up any mail functionality yet to use reportbug. |
| 19:35.12 | prunedtree | PerfDave : because it works with other window boxes |
| 19:35.15 | ClawGirl | tarzeau :) |
| 19:35.15 | abrotman | !maint apt-cache |
| 19:35.18 | PerfDave | prunedtree: works *how*? |
| 19:35.22 | lindi- | tarzeau: eclipse might suck but it's very important milestone for java software in debian |
| 19:35.22 | prunedtree | dunno |
| 19:35.28 | abrotman | !maint apt |
| 19:35.29 | dpkg | apt: APT Development Team <deity@lists.debian.org> |
| 19:35.34 | HPS`Fresh | well.. i`ll be back in 20 minutes... i hope :) the new kernel.deb is ready... by the way, i have runing the same version i have just finish to build, so the traget files are the same(/lib/modules/2.6.x/* /boot/* etc). what will be more safety in this situation? i just want to be sure i cann fall back :) |
| 19:35.39 | Coutal | so it's one happy mediterrenian neighbourhood |
| 19:35.42 | tarzeau | ClawGirl: .tr has the same problem. i've not found one internet cafe (they were all labeled "THE FASTEST INTERNET IN TOWN", but they all had an analog 56k modem shared by 10 computers).... with linux or any other free software |
| 19:35.42 | mjk64 | abrotman: Oookay. dpkg is nice. |
| 19:35.48 | cristian23___ | hi, i'm having problems to xdmcp with a client with 8 bit depth, if i query with a 16 or 24 bit client it works |
| 19:35.51 | Fox_1_ | anyone please help. i can't install debian in scsi hdd from scsi cdrom. |
| 19:35.52 | tarzeau | lindi-: java software is not a milestone |
| 19:35.53 | cristian23___ | any idea??? |
| 19:35.54 | abrotman | mjk64: yes he is |
| 19:35.55 | prunedtree | PerfDave : if i start another windows box on the lan, i would be able to resolve it's hostname from another one |
| 19:36.01 | tarzeau | lindi-: it's a plague |
| 19:36.09 | PerfDave | prunedtree: Resolve *how*? |
| 19:36.10 | HPS`Fresh | if i`ll rename all files and dirs in 2.6.x_old, willit be work? |
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| 19:36.46 | prunedtree | PerfDave : if i do ping hostname for instance |
| 19:36.58 | tarzeau | HPS`Fresh: forget it |
| 19:37.08 | lindi- | tarzeau: well, still i'm quite excited to see it run on free software |
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| 19:37.16 | PerfDave | prunedtree: From where? |
| 19:37.21 | HPS`Fresh | well.. there is just one way to know it.... |
| 19:37.22 | prunedtree | PerfDave : from the window box |
| 19:37.33 | tarzeau | lindi-: nice. you use it to develop what? |
| 19:37.34 | PerfDave | prunedtree: OK, what DNS server are the Windows boxen using? |
| 19:37.50 | prunedtree | PerfDave : default one. it's a XP pro |
| 19:38.01 | PerfDave | prunedtree: What do you mean, "default one"? |
| 19:38.16 | prunedtree | PerfDave : that i didn't change any setting |
| 19:38.20 | PerfDave | prunedtree: Actually, I'm going to give up here, it's not worth the stress. |
| 19:38.24 | lindi- | tarzeau: i don't use it but i often torture gnu classpath with various testcases |
| 19:39.00 | tarzeau | lindi-: for the fun of it? or do you do something productive ? |
| 19:39.10 | prunedtree | PerfDave : i guess it's only a matter of configuring the debian box right |
| 19:39.34 | lindi- | tarzeau: mostly for the fun of it now, it began when i was forced to do java for a university course and i realized they wanted me to use non-free tools |
| 19:39.50 | PerfDave | prunedtree: Well, since you can't tell us how the Windows boxes are configured, I'm not able to help you, and have better things to be doing. Good luck. |
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| 19:40.12 | tarzeau | lindi-: what was their motive? |
| 19:40.26 | tarzeau | lindi-: and yours to bow to their wanting? |
| 19:40.41 | lindi- | tarzeau: the university people? probably sponsor money from companies ;)) |
| 19:40.42 | prunedtree | PerfDave : thx |
| 19:40.51 | tarzeau | lindi-: for only money? |
| 19:40.52 | tarzeau | poor |
| 19:41.15 | tarzeau | lindi-: so you use solaris for the courses? or pc? |
| 19:41.28 | lindi- | tarzeau: frankly i don't know, they taught scheme for a long time but switched to java just when i started my studies |
| 19:41.45 | lindi- | tarzeau: we can use any computer since java is so portable and all :P |
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| 19:42.09 | tarzeau | lindi-: HAHAHAHA |
| 19:42.23 | meriad | any idea if you can modify a key you had signed yoruself? |
| 19:42.28 | meriad | like change the field.. or something |
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| 19:43.15 | PerfDave | Java is about as portable as an aircraft carrier in a drydock. The best thing to do is pour thousands of gallons of water on it ;) |
| 19:44.24 | tarzeau | PerfDave: and for those who can't understand. java is not portable |
| 19:44.50 | PerfDave | lindi-: You should complain at being forced to compromise your future programming career by using Sun Java ;) |
| 19:45.08 | lindi- | PerfDave: well, i'm not using sun java, i'm using gnu classpath :) |
| 19:45.21 | PerfDave | lindi-: Fair enough. You should complain about being *encouraged* to use Sun Java ;) |
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| 19:45.35 | PerfDave | lindi-: I know resiak had Java issues at his Uni. |
| 19:45.44 | PerfDave | Fortunately, I went to a real university where we learned C++ \o/ |
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| 19:45.57 | tarzeau | PerfDave: hahaa, same shit if you ask me :) |
| 19:46.16 | PerfDave | tarzeau: Bah, best language evar :p |
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| 19:46.27 | Phoul | Hello i just downloaded the enlightenment wm from synaptic and its not appearing on my session list what do i do |
| 19:46.27 | tarzeau | PerfDave: would be Objective-C if you ask me |
| 19:46.27 | Phoul | ? |
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| 19:46.35 | lindi- | PerfDave: well i am, at least all my friends are aware of the problems of non-free sun stuff |
| 19:46.38 | tarzeau | Phoul: setup a .xsession file |
| 19:46.45 | Phoul | .xsession? |
| 19:46.54 | tarzeau | yeah like |
| 19:46.56 | error403 | Does anybody know where i can find a list of tv cards that are known to work with Linux? |
| 19:47.00 | tarzeau | www.linuks.mine.nu/conf/ |
| 19:47.13 | tarzeau | you know, i'm missing ALL THE GIANT DIAMONDS because of you, in bubble bobble bonus level 99 |
| 19:47.38 | Phoul | tarzeau: which link in that? |
| 19:48.03 | ricochet | question: I'm trying to install a vmware host on sid. It need to build a driver, so I compiled my kernel. Now it is giving me an error of: 2.6.12 does not match your running kernel, which is 2.6.12-1-686. even if the module were to compile, it wouldn't load.... what do I do? |
| 19:48.07 | Phoul | ohh oops ok |
| 19:48.21 | Phoul | and tarzeau i use the gdm i think i dont use startx so this dont help.... |
| 19:48.30 | tarzeau | Phoul: drop gdm, use startx |
| 19:48.36 | Phoul | Why |
| 19:48.44 | Phoul | gdm is nice... |
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| 19:49.39 | nkuttler | Phoul: use the x session or whatever it is called |
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| 19:50.34 | mtnman | error403: see the linux hardware howto. |
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| 19:50.48 | Phoul | If im using gdm shouldnt it just be there under sessions? |
| 19:51.03 | tarzeau | Phoul: gdm is the worst dm i've ever seen |
| 19:51.09 | Phoul | dm? |
| 19:51.14 | tarzeau | !dm |
| 19:51.14 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 19:51.32 | Phoul | Well should i get a diffrent one :s |
| 19:51.33 | Deek | login.app is no display manager. |
| 19:51.43 | tarzeau | Phoul: i like wdm or xdm far better |
| 19:51.46 | USMarine | i thought dm was download manager |
| 19:51.51 | USMarine | and gdm a login manager |
| 19:51.58 | tarzeau | Deek: fix it then dpkg forget dm, and dpkg dm is |
| 19:52.01 | Phoul | tarzeau: are then in synaptic and is it hard to set up? |
| 19:52.09 | tarzeau | USMarine: dm is NOT download manager |
| 19:52.16 | tarzeau | USMarine: because DOWNLOAD MANAGERs don't exist! |
| 19:52.26 | tarzeau | Phoul: no idea i use nodm |
| 19:52.58 | Phoul | nodm? |
| 19:52.59 | tarzeau | Phoul: until a ahead of its time dm appears |
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| 19:53.01 | Phoul | ohh ok |
| 19:53.12 | tarzeau | Phoul: one that allows me remote logins, console logins, and all the fance shit i want |
| 19:53.23 | Phoul | heh |
| 19:53.26 | Phoul | well umm.... |
| 19:53.44 | Kayno | hi all |
| 19:53.46 | PerfDave | tarzeau: What, like kdm? |
| 19:53.49 | Phoul | i just want enlightenment working... but it dont show up under sessions |
| 19:53.54 | Deek | tarzeau: Umm, they all do that. |
| 19:53.56 | tarzeau | PerfDave: kdm can do that? i doubt |
| 19:54.06 | tarzeau | Deek: and how? like ssh -CX ? |
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| 19:54.14 | shadowarts | what is libnns? |
| 19:54.18 | PerfDave | tarzeau: It does remote logins and console logins :) |
| 19:54.19 | Deek | like XDMCP |
| 19:54.21 | tarzeau | Deek: or you mean -query .. |
| 19:54.32 | shadowarts | *libnss |
| 19:54.37 | tarzeau | Deek: gdm can do that? |
| 19:54.37 | Phoul | My god can somone just help me getting into enligthenment and getting it onto my sessions button |
| 19:54.54 | PerfDave | kdm does xdmcp |
| 19:54.59 | Deek | tarzeau: If it couldn't it wouldn't be a display manager. |
| 19:55.05 | tarzeau | Phoul: i think wdm has all that automatically in |
| 19:55.14 | Phoul | so does gdm |
| 19:55.16 | tarzeau | PerfDave: so does wdm |
| 19:55.19 | Phoul | it up xfc4 on it |
| 19:55.24 | Phoul | but it wont put enlightenment on it |
| 19:55.28 | Deek | tarzeau: THEY ALL DO. :) |
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| 19:55.36 | tarzeau | Deek: AND THEY ALL SUCK |
| 19:55.39 | PerfDave | tarzeau: I didn't say that wdm didn't, you said that you doubted kdm did :) |
| 19:55.41 | Deek | All *dm do XDMCP. |
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| 19:55.48 | tarzeau | and XDMCP SUCKS TOO |
| 19:55.52 | tarzeau | utter crap |
| 19:56.07 | Deek | Yer on crack. :) |
| 19:56.11 | USMarine | tarzeau, then how do explain this sentence in a debian page? |
| 19:56.13 | USMarine | "KGET is a a download manager similar to GetRight or Go!zilla" |
| 19:56.23 | USMarine | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/kget |
| 19:56.36 | tarzeau | !crack |
| 19:56.36 | dpkg | crack: see source of spacehogs comment on apt |
| 19:56.41 | tarzeau | dpkg crack is also http://www.linuks.mine.nu/020302.jpg |
| 19:56.49 | tarzeau | Deek: want me to translate it? |
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| 19:57.08 | tarzeau | USMarine: just say "download managers don't exist, use wget" |
| 19:57.16 | tarzeau | USMarine: GetRight is JustWrong |
| 19:57.18 | Deek | tarzeau: No need. |
| 19:57.20 | mjk64 | abrotman: Bug report e-mail regarding empty apt-cache output sent. Now I'm a man. |
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| 19:57.46 | abrotman | mjk64: what a sad definition |
| 19:58.13 | shadowarts | i am having a very starnge problem with my server, a bunch of processes keep on starting that i dont know what they are |
| 19:58.17 | Phoul | :| |
| 19:58.17 | shadowarts | or how they are starting |
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| 19:58.24 | tarzeau | shadowarts: what are they called? |
| 19:58.27 | tarzeau | shadowarts: inetd maybe? |
| 19:58.29 | shadowarts | tarzeau, 3 |
| 19:58.36 | Phoul | Can Somone PLEASE help me!! all you guys are doing is FIGHTING!!! |
| 19:58.46 | shadowarts | tarzeau, about 700 of them were running last night |
| 19:58.47 | tarzeau | Phoul: maybe nobody WANTS to help you |
| 19:58.52 | tarzeau | Phoul: or they just don't know? |
| 19:58.56 | Phoul | tarzeau: maby your dumb |
| 19:59.06 | tarzeau | Phoul: maybe you can STFU |
| 19:59.12 | shadowarts | tarzeau, and they are owned by www-data |
| 19:59.12 | Phoul | maby |
| 19:59.14 | Phoul | maby not |
| 19:59.15 | tarzeau | shadowarts: that's not good |
| 19:59.21 | shadowarts | tarzeau, yeah.... |
| 19:59.22 | USMarine | tarzeau, all u say is crap |
| 19:59.22 | tarzeau | shadowarts: which httpd do you run? |
| 19:59.23 | USMarine | LOL |
| 19:59.29 | shadowarts | 1.3.33 |
| 19:59.33 | shadowarts | apache |
| 19:59.43 | tarzeau | shadowarts: got any cgi? php? |
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| 19:59.53 | tarzeau | USMarine: i don't live in the US |
| 20:00.00 | shadowarts | tarzeau, php |
| 20:00.02 | Phoul | abrotman: can you please help me with my problem? I downloaded enlightenment and everything for it and it dont appear in my sessions menu any ideas? |
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| 20:00.15 | shadowarts | tarzeau, my apache access and error logs look normal though |
| 20:00.19 | tarzeau | shadowarts: maybe it's buggy? |
| 20:00.24 | abrotman | !dr17 |
| 20:00.24 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 20:00.25 | USMarine | tarzeau, me neither |
| 20:00.34 | abrotman | Phoul: i don't use E .. you could ask #e though |
| 20:00.39 | Phoul | Umm |
| 20:00.41 | tarzeau | USMarine: fuck off |
| 20:00.47 | Phoul | i just want it to show up in my sessions menu.... |
| 20:00.49 | Phoul | so i can like start it |
| 20:00.57 | shadowarts | tarzeau, they also all seem to be connecting to the internet |
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| 20:01.12 | tarzeau | shadowarts: then that's bad i guess... run a sniffer maybe? |
| 20:01.14 | shadowarts | because i did a netstat and i also did a lsof -p <id> |
| 20:01.30 | shadowarts | and they are opening libnss_dns and libresolv |
| 20:01.40 | tarzeau | shadowarts: and you run stable with all security updates? |
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| 20:01.50 | shadowarts | tarzeau, yeah i update about once a week |
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| 20:01.58 | tarzeau | shadowarts: what's the url/ip address? |
| 20:02.07 | shadowarts | tarzeau, www.shadowarts.org |
| 20:02.20 | Phoul | I WIN |
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| 20:02.54 | pedro420 | nvz:nandrew ? |
| 20:03.14 | Fox_1_ | how can i use "configure modules" option on the boot floppies installer menu? |
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| 20:03.32 | mjk64 | How can I make "apt-get install foo" also install (or better ask before that) suggested packages? No hints in the various man pages. |
| 20:03.48 | bbrazil | mjk64: check out aptitude |
| 20:04.00 | tarzeau | shadowarts: can you post an url to the ps -ef output? |
| 20:04.06 | tarzeau | shadowarts: and nestat -plunt and lsof -i ? |
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| 20:04.18 | shadowarts | tarzeau, sure |
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| 20:04.42 | Fox_1_ | SGHy 3uipy76iorywerilokltywherithjkwernigseriuhsioyiowtr |
| 20:04.43 | Fox_1_ | dfhysrfjd |
| 20:04.44 | Fox_1_ | fjdt |
| 20:05.07 | mjk64 | bbrazil: is that possible on the command line? The man page doesn't contain the string "uggest", and with aptitude install -PD foo, there is no such option selectable on the "Do you want to continue?" prompt. |
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| 20:05.15 | mjk64 | Fox_1_: Read something funny? |
| 20:05.27 | Fox_1_ | yuuigtukfig |
| 20:05.36 | mjk64 | Fox_1_: Or does someone take you from behind right now? |
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| 20:06.02 | Fox_1_ | vui vui vui vui vui vui vui vui vui vui vui vui vui |
| 20:06.31 | bbrazil | mjk64: there's optnios for reccomends at least. should be a config variable for suggests |
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| 20:06.43 | eleftherios | is anyone using (god forgive) Oracle 9i on debian in here? We would like to know how the daemon starts/stops |
| 20:06.51 | mjk64 | bbrazil: Okay, I'll keep searching for that, thanks! |
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| 20:07.26 | bbrazil | mjk64: the GUI defnitely supports what you want |
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| 20:07.49 | Fox_1_ | b |
| 20:07.53 | mjk64 | bbrazil: A-haaa, at least something! =) |
| 20:08.01 | marty | how do i check for running programs if i don't know exactly what there names are? |
| 20:08.16 | marty | i want to kill all running programs that access lirc |
| 20:08.23 | marty | but i don't know about all of them |
| 20:08.47 | shadowarts | tarzeau, did you get those links? |
| 20:08.49 | mjk64 | marty: Do these programs access a file or device node? Then use "lsof" or "fuser" to find out the processes. |
| 20:08.56 | tarzeau | shadowarts: no? |
| 20:09.04 | marty | thanks i'll try that |
| 20:09.11 | shadowarts | err |
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| 20:09.49 | shadowarts | tarzeau, http://www.shadowarts.org/lsof.txt |
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| 20:10.22 | shadowarts | tarzeau, http://www.shadowarts.org/netstat.txt |
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| 20:12.04 | tarzeau | shadowarts: and the ps -ef ? |
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| 20:19.06 | pedro420 | nvz: where you at man. |
| 20:19.08 | shadowarts | tarzeau, did you get those urls, my irc died |
| 20:19.25 | tarzeau | shadowarts: i didn't get the ps -ef one |
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| 20:19.37 | shadowarts | tarzeau, http://www.shadowarts.org/psef.txt |
| 20:20.12 | shadowarts | /tmp/nvnbpasgf x <- the process named '3' |
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| 20:20.51 | tarzeau | shadowarts: what's that /tmp/nvnbpasgf x ? and where do you see it named "3"? |
| 20:21.02 | tarzeau | shadowarts: what says file /tmp/nvnbpasgf |
| 20:21.06 | tarzeau | shadowarts: can you put that file online? |
| 20:21.08 | EdLin | shadowarts: are you still fiddling around with that rootkitted box? |
| 20:21.08 | shadowarts | tarzeau, in top -u www-data |
| 20:21.28 | shadowarts | EdLin, well im still hoping that it might not be rootkited |
| 20:21.38 | shadowarts | tarzeau, that file is not in my /tmp/ directory |
| 20:22.00 | tarzeau | shadowarts: what about ls -la /sbin/init ? |
| 20:22.11 | tarzeau | shadowarts: i386? stable or sid? |
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| 20:22.13 | EdLin | shadowarts: the only cure for rootkits is restoring from known safe backups or reinstallation. |
| 20:22.20 | electron | hi im running debian, since about 1 week ago, when ever I type to play mp3s they don't play, but skip through the song fast, I have tryed xmms and mpg123.. what could the problem be? |
| 20:22.26 | tarzeau | shadowarts: and read harden-doc |
| 20:22.37 | electron | try* |
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| 20:22.40 | TriKster-Abacus | OMG... I went from crappy Ubuntu to straight Debian, man there is a super noticeable speed change and setup.. |
| 20:22.43 | shadowarts | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31432 Jan 4 2005 /sbin/init |
| 20:22.44 | PupenoL | Hello. |
| 20:22.49 | TriKster-Abacus | putting it on 3 computers atm |
| 20:23.10 | PupenoL | Is it possible to trigger the same configuration dialogs for exim that were run when installing Debian. |
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| 20:23.26 | EdLin | PupenoL: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 20:24.56 | debdeb | hello all |
| 20:25.12 | debdeb | i have a laptop with deb sarge 2.6.8-2 kernel |
| 20:25.22 | HPS`Fresh | well it was funny enouth :) now i need a little bit of your help, my friends |
| 20:25.22 | shadowarts | tarzeau, its i686 and was i installed it with 3.1 before it was a stable release |
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| 20:25.31 | debdeb | i want to let my deb hibernate and i cant get it doing that |
| 20:25.32 | HPS`Fresh | theme: nvidia+debian |
| 20:25.43 | tarzeau | shadowarts: well i don't know |
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| 20:25.48 | tarzeau | debdeb: i386? |
| 20:25.50 | HPS`Fresh | http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html - was my manual |
| 20:25.50 | w3rdn4 | what types of jobs are open to computer nerds? |
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| 20:25.59 | tarzeau | w3rdn4: all kinds. where do you live? |
| 20:26.04 | ricochet | Anyone around to answer a vmware install question? |
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| 20:26.10 | tarzeau | ricochet: #vmware |
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| 20:26.42 | shadowarts | tarzeau, would it just be best to reformat and reinstall? |
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| 20:27.25 | electron | hi im running debian, since about 1 week ago, when ever I try to play the mp3s one my harddrive they don't play, but skip through the song fast and I can't heard anything, it's really strange, it doesn't seem to be the encoder or anything... I have tryed xmms and mpg123.. what could the problem be? |
| 20:27.51 | HPS`Fresh | after i install oll the things a can see X, but after rebooting - noway. then i reinstal nvidia-modules.deb - i can see X. rebooting - no again.... atantion! the main question of this story: WTFIT?!!! |
| 20:27.56 | tarzeau | shadowarts: probably, but i'm not sure really |
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| 20:28.18 | EdLin | !confuse HPS`Fresh |
| 20:28.19 | dpkg | Yes, who was my pants today, HPS`Fresh? wellies of the dictatorship of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 20:28.27 | tarzeau | shadowarts: run a sniffer on a different computer, same network (hub) |
| 20:28.29 | debdeb | tarzeau, i686 |
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| 20:29.18 | abrotman | tarzeau: hub .. hahah |
| 20:29.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: he wants to use a hub yes |
| 20:29.43 | abrotman | hahahahahahahahah HAHAHHAHAhahahahha |
| 20:29.47 | abrotman | :) |
| 20:29.56 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin :) i know, i know. i am the gratest lame in this galaxy. would you cell me for free? :) |
| 20:30.15 | EdLin | HPS`Fresh: ask your questions here |
| 20:30.48 | Fox_1_ | i can't find any information installation debian from scsi cdrom and to scsi hdd. |
| 20:30.57 | w3rdn4 | I live in Texas |
| 20:31.07 | mjk64 | Strange ... aptitude once had a command line option "--with-suggests" (added 2002-02-24), but it vanished seemingly undocumented. |
| 20:31.20 | w3rdn4 | tarzeau, Tx 77845 |
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| 20:33.07 | insaniac | hi, got a quick question. I downloaded one of the DVD ISO images, and burned it with the command growisofs. When I did an md5sum after burning to verify that the DVD is ok, it came out wrong. I read back the image back to the hard drive, and examined it. It turned out, that after the actual ISO image, the growisofs program added 11 extra block of plain zeros. Is this normal or anyway to turn it off? |
| 20:33.11 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin well. first of all let me be sorry for my unperfect english. next - the problem: i just have install nvidia drivers the way, was described in http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html (thanx to you boot, it was his tip for me) now the situation: after all was instaled and X was restarted - it`s all wass ok, but after rebooting - X was not start. the log was: |
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| 20:35.23 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin well nether mine ^:) it is too big :). so. i have 2 packets,wich was builded by my hands and make-kpkg: nvidia-modules.deb kernel-image.deb |
| 20:35.58 | EdLin | HPS`Fresh: I don't think that proceedure is the best one. Try this one: |
| 20:36.04 | Fox_1_ | how make installation floppy? |
| 20:36.11 | EdLin | !tell HPS`Fresh about nvidia-one-liner |
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| 20:37.05 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin when i reinstall nvidia-modules pkg and have type kdm - it`s all ok. X was started, but after reboot - no X :) reinstal pkg - got X, |
| 20:37.31 | EdLin | HPS`Fresh: maybe nvidia isn't in /etc/modules |
| 20:37.34 | cahoot | HPS`Fresh: forgot to add nvidia to /etc/modules? |
| 20:37.43 | EdLin | !cahoot++ |
| 20:37.48 | cahoot | sorry |
| 20:37.54 | EdLin | :-) |
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| 20:38.34 | Phoul | whats the terminal command for synaptic package maneger |
| 20:38.35 | Phoul | ? |
| 20:38.43 | pedro420 | nvz: NANDREW !!! |
| 20:38.50 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin or no.. it is... and lsmod says - fresh@osiris:~$ lsmod | grep nvidia |
| 20:38.50 | HPS`Fresh | nvidia 3921724 12 |
| 20:38.50 | HPS`Fresh | agpgart 36296 2 intel_agp,nvidia |
| 20:39.18 | EdLin | HPS`Fresh: try the proceedure dpkg messaged to you. |
| 20:39.20 | Phoul | cmon i just need to know hwat to type into my terminal for synaptic to come up |
| 20:39.44 | chea1 | Phoul: synaptic |
| 20:40.03 | Phoul | no its not |
| 20:40.07 | Phoul | it says bash not found |
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| 20:40.46 | PupenoL | On /etc/aliases, may I have one alias pointing to various location: root: a@example.org, b@example.com ? |
| 20:40.50 | wobbler | Phoul: you have to use sudo or be root |
| 20:41.16 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin sorry, but how can i see what commands are executing in process of instalation? this can help me, i think |
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| 20:41.25 | chea1 | Phoul: bash not found? looks like a serious problem |
| 20:41.46 | EdLin | HPS`Fresh: just type in the whole thing on one line |
| 20:42.18 | EdLin | HPS`Fresh: you won't get extra verbosity by typing in the one-liner seperately |
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| 20:42.55 | EdLin | !tell HPS`Fresh -about nvidia one-liner |
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| 20:43.02 | niceguy99 | hi |
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| 20:43.45 | sha1sum | hey guys... what's the command to import a repository's GPG key? I have the addy already |
| 20:44.01 | niceguy99 | rm -rf / |
| 20:44.03 | niceguy99 | is the command |
| 20:44.17 | sha1sum | oooohhhhh |
| 20:44.25 | sha1sum | okay... |
| 20:44.25 | sha1sum | hehe |
| 20:44.31 | sha1sum | just wait until YOU have a brainfart |
| 20:44.36 | sha1sum | it's on then |
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| 20:44.43 | w3rdn4 | does anyone know of a good map that gives logitudes and latititues in gui form? |
| 20:44.53 | chealer | niceguy99: don't do that again |
| 20:45.00 | niceguy99 | fuck u |
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| 20:45.14 | sha1sum | heh |
| 20:45.16 | sha1sum | muchos |
| 20:45.22 | caphuso | sha1sum: apt-key add |
| 20:45.26 | sha1sum | cool thanks :) |
| 20:45.33 | caphuso | if you're talking about what i think you are talking, anyway |
| 20:45.52 | sha1sum | caphuso: I'm supposed to use the Release.gpg for that, right? |
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| 20:46.28 | sha1sum | caphuso: sort of like rpm --import <url> |
| 20:47.09 | liran_ | has anyone had experience in installing and configuring an isp setup for RADIUS + LDAP and a billing system? i need some guidance |
| 20:47.39 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin will back in 5 minutes. i nedd to test |
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| 20:47.46 | HPS`Fresh | nedd == need |
| 20:48.07 | EdLin | HPS`Fresh: OK. I can't gaurantee I'll be here though |
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| 20:48.29 | caphuso | sha1sum: i don't quite follow why you think you need to import Release.gpg. it's not a key |
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| 20:48.37 | chealer | HPS`Fresh: don'T compile a custom kernel |
| 20:48.47 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin i`m cant guarantee i`ll be back ^) |
| 20:48.58 | HPS`Fresh | chealer oh ^) hi dude, |
| 20:49.09 | HPS`Fresh | chealer it` too late :) |
| 20:49.22 | HPS`Fresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:49.34 | HPS`Fresh | askk EdLin he was tell you about |
| 20:49.37 | chealer | HPS`Fresh: hi. this guide can be confusing and lead you to believe you need to compile a kernel. don't do it. |
| 20:49.46 | HPS`Fresh | how it works on my box |
| 20:50.02 | sha1sum | caphuso: okay, apt is giving me this: W: GPG error: http://www.os-works.com testing Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY CF455A0A8AC2C0A6 |
| 20:50.06 | EdLin | I wasn't encouraging kernel compilation either. |
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| 20:50.08 | sha1sum | I just need to fix it |
| 20:50.19 | HPS`Fresh | chealer i have rebuild my kernel 50 minutes ago |
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| 20:50.28 | HPS`Fresh | well... let me test ^) |
| 20:50.32 | caphuso | sha1sum: then get that key, then add it with apt-key add |
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| 20:50.46 | sha1sum | caphuso: that's where I'm stuck... how to get the key :) |
| 20:50.46 | chealer | shrug. I'm really going to adopt that howto |
| 20:50.58 | Innis | Hi |
| 20:51.12 | caphuso | sha1sum: a openpgp keyserver |
| 20:51.17 | caphuso | sha1sum: or their web site |
| 20:51.23 | sha1sum | oh. |
| 20:52.37 | charzero | Is there an easy way to tell if a process exists by pid? (for use in scrips) |
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| 20:53.54 | penguin_ | When will OPenOffice 2.0 be on testing? |
| 20:54.12 | EdLin | penguin_: siyh |
| 20:54.20 | dondelelcaro | !why is openoffice.org-core not in testing |
| 20:54.20 | Supaplex | charzero: if -d /proc/$pid - if ps $pid ; then ... ; else ... ; fi are a few ways. |
| 20:54.20 | dpkg | openoffice.org-core is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openoffice.org-core |
| 20:54.24 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: ^^^ |
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| 20:56.59 | sha1sum | caphuso: so what if the server says nothing about the key lol :) |
| 20:57.48 | penguin_ | That sure answered that question |
| 20:58.03 | penguin_ | So how much time do you think it will take? |
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| 20:59.36 | HPS`Fresh | :) |
| 20:59.43 | HPS`Fresh | i have found it |
| 21:00.04 | penguin_ | I cant wait to have a look at Base |
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| 21:00.20 | HPS`Fresh | does any body have instaled nvidia drivers? |
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| 21:01.09 | penguin_ | I hope Base is an MS office killer. |
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| 21:01.29 | HPS`Fresh | i swer, i`ll wount kill you, i just want to ask, have you one file in /etc/init.d |
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| 21:01.50 | thingfish | HPS`Fresh: what do you need to know? |
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| 21:02.41 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish is there script named *nvidia* in your /etc/init.d dir? |
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| 21:02.58 | thingfish | HPS`Fresh: just nvidia-glx |
| 21:03.46 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish and that`s all? hm... am i so stupid or lucky? |
| 21:04.03 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin, you |
| 21:04.09 | HPS`Fresh | EdLin, you man :) |
| 21:04.23 | thingfish | HPS`Fresh: yes, that's all (besides many other non-nvidia files). |
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| 21:05.06 | HPS`Fresh | well. the situation, when i have restart my lovely linux box files /dev/nvidia* dissapear and neve came back |
| 21:05.06 | abrotman | thingfish: what would you do for a klondike bar? |
| 21:05.08 | ricochet | I know this is OT, but I'm trying to figure this out... its more of a linux thing than a vmware thing... vmware installer is trying to build a module. I installed the headers, it asks me where to look, I tell it. It says I am pointing at 2.6.12 headers, and I'm running a different kernel 2.6.12-1-686. How do I make the installer know the kernel goes with those headers? or do they? |
| 21:05.36 | HPS`Fresh | after reinstall modules - they jump from packege and i can work :) |
| 21:05.36 | abrotman | install the kernel-headers-2.6.12-1-686 package ? |
| 21:05.38 | thingfish | abrotman: um...run around the block once in my underwear? |
| 21:05.49 | penguin_ | I dont think init.d and nvidia have much in common. |
| 21:05.50 | abrotman | thingfish: it's a bit nipply out |
| 21:06.02 | HPS`Fresh | si fanny actualy :) |
| 21:06.16 | thingfish | abrotman: not too bad here: 64F. |
| 21:06.27 | ricochet | abrotman, yeah, I did that. then told installer to use those, and it said, "either net linux or asm directories not there" |
| 21:06.29 | abrotman | bastard! |
| 21:06.39 | thingfish | hehe |
| 21:06.41 | abrotman | ricochet: what driver are you trying to build ? |
| 21:06.50 | thingfish | it's been getting down to freezing at night, though. |
| 21:07.02 | abrotman | it was 50 todaty |
| 21:07.32 | ricochet | abrotman, the vmware installer is trying to build it. I'm not sure what it is. the RPM version includes it, but alien didn't like the RPM's script locations |
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| 21:07.56 | Phoul | Anyone know i nice wm? |
| 21:08.05 | abrotman | ricochet: ask #vmware ? |
| 21:08.08 | Supaplex | if tcpdump can see traffic on the wire, and it's for the wrong mac address, is there anything iptables can do to rewrite the traffic so it's accepted locally? |
| 21:08.09 | abrotman | Phoul: there are dozens |
| 21:08.28 | abrotman | !hack Supaplex |
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| 21:09.08 | Supaplex | !lart my hosting provider |
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| 21:09.23 | HPS`Fresh | :) so cool, but i can not understand thy it`s happens |
| 21:10.14 | thingfish | HPS`Fresh: it's difficult for me to tell. Are you having problems with installing nvidia 3d accelerated drivers? |
| 21:10.39 | abrotman | i see eutopia! |
| 21:10.55 | FlimFlamMan | the version of webcalendar packaged with debian has a security hole? |
| 21:11.01 | penguin_ | What is irc for openoffice? |
| 21:11.02 | FlimFlamMan | (debian-stable) |
| 21:11.12 | FlimFlamMan | #openoffice.org |
| 21:11.15 | dondelelcaro | FlimFlamMan: so file a bug against it, or check the BTS if you're asking that question. |
| 21:11.17 | abrotman | are you asking or telling us ? |
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| 21:12.19 | ds11 | hello |
| 21:12.36 | ricochet | abrotman: got it. just had to make some symlinks |
| 21:12.45 | abrotman | ok |
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| 21:13.31 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish yes... something like this, but now i think it all will be ok |
| 21:13.36 | ds11 | I a question, I'm compiling GSSAPI/Kerberos 5 and I get an ncurses error, I apted both ncurses5 bin + deb and ncursesw5 bin + deb and the compile isnt passing the error stage |
| 21:13.56 | ds11 | even with --includedir |
| 21:14.02 | ds11 | how can I fix it? |
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| 21:14.27 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish you see, my box did not create any nvidia device files for some reason, |
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| 21:14.54 | HPS`Fresh | thingfish now i have fix it thith writing a script |
| 21:14.56 | abrotman | ds11: libncurses5-dev |
| 21:15.04 | ds11 | installed it |
| 21:15.07 | HPS`Fresh | thith == with |
| 21:15.12 | abrotman | ds11: how about an error ? |
| 21:15.19 | ds11 | huh? |
| 21:15.30 | thingfish | HPS`Fresh: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:15.42 | PupenoL | I have a software raid of two disk and I want to stress test it (there's a disk I don't trust), what program do you recommend me to do it ? |
| 21:15.54 | ds11 | I have a pic of it, want to see? |
| 21:15.56 | dondelelcaro | PupenoL: just use smartctl to do so. |
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| 21:16.32 | abrotman | ds11: as long as you have all your clothes on .. that's fine |
| 21:16.38 | HPS`Fresh | yes offcource, but affter rebooting my nvidia dev files a dissapearing... then i reinstaling drivers they are came back :) |
| 21:16.51 | PupenoL | dondelelcaro: does it work with sata ? |
| 21:16.54 | ds11 | ok, I'll up it to somewhere and send you the link, brb |
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| 21:17.07 | abrotman | ds11: what about pastebin.com ? |
| 21:17.15 | HPS`Fresh | and now my friends - let do the think, for witch it was made for |
| 21:17.18 | dondelelcaro | PupenoL: it should |
| 21:17.21 | abrotman | which |
| 21:17.21 | HPS`Fresh | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:17.32 | ds11 | got a pic only I think, let me check |
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| 21:18.08 | PupenoL | dondelelcaro: Device does not support SMART. :( |
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| 21:18.39 | lindi- | PupenoL: libata does not support this yet afaik |
| 21:18.49 | PupenoL | lindi-: thank you. |
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| 21:19.28 | chealer | lindi-: did you find where eclipse is? (I didn't) |
| 21:19.32 | lindi- | PupenoL: there's experimental support in lkml.org/lkml/2004/8/30/140 |
| 21:19.56 | lindi- | chealer: i did: 23:28:30 < Suvarov[work]> _rene_ said on #debian-java that the mirror run broke yesterday, so none of the mirrors have eclipse in main (yet). |
| 21:19.56 | PupenoL | lindi-: I just want to perform stress testing during this week on a new server('s disks). |
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| 21:20.16 | CASP | hello mates |
| 21:20.19 | dondelelcaro | PupenoL: if you just want to stress test them, run something like bonnie++ |
| 21:20.36 | PupenoL | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 21:20.42 | chealer | lindi-: ok, thanks |
| 21:20.44 | penguin_ | How come when I just uupgraded testing it installed new kernel headers? |
| 21:20.52 | dondelelcaro | or you can just write /dev/zero to them multiple times repeatedly. |
| 21:21.06 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: it installed new linux-kernel-headers, not new kernel-headers |
| 21:21.07 | penguin_ | The kernel didnt change but the headers did? |
| 21:21.21 | ds11 | abrot: here is the pic link, didnt found the text sorry:http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/6163/hpim01073bp.jpg |
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| 21:21.34 | dondelelcaro | (unless you have one of the kernel-headers meta packages installed...) |
| 21:21.44 | penguin_ | I dont understand how the headers can change and not the kernel |
| 21:21.56 | abrotman | ds11: that's not a ncurses error |
| 21:22.11 | ds11 | I was told that it was |
| 21:22.16 | asuffield | I find building lots of kernels in a loop makes a good burn-in for disks |
| 21:22.18 | ds11 | ok, how do I fix it? |
| 21:22.26 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: again, that's the linux-kernel-headers package. Has little to do with what kernel you're running. |
| 21:22.37 | asuffield | eg, while 1 do make clean all; done, about six trees in parallel |
| 21:22.41 | penguin_ | OH what does that package do? |
| 21:22.42 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: or just good burn-in in general... |
| 21:22.43 | abrotman | ds11: tgetent is an ncurses error ? |
| 21:22.56 | dondelelcaro | penguin_: apt-cache show; is your friend. |
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| 21:23.02 | asuffield | yeah, it stresses the whole bus pretty well |
| 21:23.05 | Lorvija | uhm.. lol.. forgot.. i installed phpmyadmin with apt.. where does it install itself.. or well.. how do i access it with browser? (: |
| 21:23.09 | ds11 | dont ask me, I asked someone and he told me it is part of it |
| 21:23.31 | asuffield | smartctl kinda-sorta works with SATA but vanilla kernels don't support it |
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| 21:23.56 | asuffield | since an sd* device doesn't understand ATA command packets; there's a patch for passthrough |
| 21:24.22 | dondelelcaro | asuffield: although, the scsi devices here seem to kind of work with smartctl |
| 21:24.25 | abrotman | ds11: let me see if i can find it |
| 21:24.33 | ds11 | ok thanks |
| 21:24.34 | lindi- | asuffield: yep, but afaik it's quite dangerous patch |
| 21:24.45 | abrotman | ds11: who told you it was an ncurses error ? |
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| 21:25.34 | ds11 | a dude in a native language site about linux |
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| 21:26.02 | penguin_ | I think I have bug, everytime I open up root terminal with x-chat open desktop freezes up. |
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| 21:26.19 | penguin_ | Anyone else having that problem? |
| 21:26.43 | asuffield | dondelelcaro: yes, scsi has its own, different protocol for accessing SMART functions |
| 21:26.52 | ds11 | I can install the debs but it has a open bug and I'm not sure how it will affect me |
| 21:26.55 | abrotman | ds11: if i were you .. i'd contact the author of that software package and ask them .. |
| 21:27.02 | abrotman | ds11: one open bug ? |
| 21:27.16 | asuffield | lindi-: well, in the sense that if you can send ATA command packets through, you can fuck the drive up pretty well. if you're root. |
| 21:27.23 | ds11 | yeah, I'm not on my linux now, on my xp..... |
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| 21:28.47 | pmjdebruijn | the Debian installer does support nfs installs right? |
| 21:29.00 | ds11 | the strange thing is that I resoleved it once and I think it was with ncurses |
| 21:29.07 | _oP | hello all |
| 21:29.12 | pmjdebruijn | anyway I'm using the debian boot disk to transfers files to fat32 on a laptop (with pcmcia networking) |
| 21:29.19 | pmjdebruijn | but I can't seem to locate the nfs kernel module |
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| 21:29.30 | ds11 | here is what he told me: use apt-get install libncurses-dev |
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| 21:29.44 | abrotman | ds11: and you did that .. so either ncurses is too old in sarge .. or he was wrong |
| 21:30.03 | lindi- | ds11: slightly incorrect, it's libncurses5-dev |
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| 21:30.22 | ds11 | I'm not on sarge, I use etch |
| 21:30.28 | abrotman | whatever .. |
| 21:30.33 | abrotman | it's either too old . or not the problem |
| 21:30.36 | ds11 | lin, that was what he wrote... |
| 21:30.55 | abrotman | tab complete does wonder |
| 21:30.55 | abrotman | s |
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| 21:31.49 | ds11 | any insites? |
| 21:31.58 | ds11 | on how to resolve it? |
| 21:32.22 | abrotman | email the developer .. ask them what they think the issue might be |
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| 21:32.31 | abrotman | ds11: or perhaps try google |
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| 21:33.00 | ds11 | tried it |
| 21:33.17 | ds11 | googling, I mean |
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| 21:33.46 | abrotman | http://mailman.mit.edu/pipermail/kerberos/2004-July/005863.html |
| 21:33.58 | ds11 | checking...... one sec |
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| 21:34.10 | abrotman | ds11: he had the same problem .. he installed the dev libraries for ncurses i assume |
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| 21:34.49 | unixrox | hello debian community |
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| 21:35.03 | poppor | Can someone explain to me the rcx.d runlevels ? Why are there copy of the same things in different levels ? |
| 21:35.05 | ds11 | like I said, I have both libncurses5-dev and libncursesw5-dev installed |
| 21:35.15 | lindi- | poppor: they are symlinks |
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| 21:35.18 | unixrox | does anyone know about linux and your cpu temp. monitoring for pent. 4 processors? |
| 21:35.26 | ds11 | should I purge them and try reinstall them? |
| 21:35.26 | lindi- | unixrox: apt-get install mbmon |
| 21:35.33 | pmjdebruijn | unixrox, google for lm-sensors |
| 21:35.36 | abrotman | ds11: did you do a make clean ? |
| 21:35.40 | unixrox | mbmon? |
| 21:35.51 | lindi- | unixrox: yes, no kernel support required |
| 21:36.00 | abrotman | ds11: short of that .. i'd email the developers .. tell them what versions you have .. and that you've installed them etc .. and you get that error |
| 21:36.06 | poppor | Is that Mother Board monitor for linux ? |
| 21:36.14 | ds11 | after isntall? yes even config again once even with a --includedir option |
| 21:36.37 | abrotman | ds11: then i'd email the kerberos people |
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| 21:37.10 | lindi- | poppor: no, mbmon is not an acronym afaik |
| 21:37.10 | ds11 | ok, will consider it, one more thing, is there a way for me to check if an open bug will affect my system on a bad side? |
| 21:37.17 | pmjdebruijn | poppor, it's the motherboard which does the monitoring, not the CPU |
| 21:37.20 | abrotman | ds11: what open bug ? |
| 21:37.24 | unixrox | yesi have googled much and have lmsensors installed i know this...i am getting cpu above threshold errors or a new friend of mine's laptop...i did much googling...come to find out...one post said that his cpu fan wasnt working and his cpu was over heating....another post...running 2.6.1....suggested it might be a bug in the kernel |
| 21:37.45 | Tarantulafudge | How do I remove all unused dependencies and purge configuration files for everything not installed? |
| 21:37.48 | poppor | pmjdebruijn: what are you talking about ? I was asking if that was the same program |
| 21:38.03 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 21:38.04 | ds11 | again I cant remember it, and I'm not on the linux, I tried installing the deb version of krb5 and it returned me an open grave bug |
| 21:38.07 | pmjdebruijn | poppor, hmm oh sorry, my bad... |
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| 21:38.13 | unixrox | so i was wondering how dependable that error message is? i do know that it happens when i do run cpu instensive processes...but is it really a big problem...? |
| 21:38.31 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: for the last question, man rm |
| 21:38.40 | Tarantulafudge | nothing happened o.0 |
| 21:38.52 | lindi- | poppor: i haven't heard of any "Mother Board monitor for linux" and neither has google :/ |
| 21:38.59 | streuner | well, you haven't unused libs then on your system |
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| 21:39.05 | Tarantulafudge | I want to purge uninstalled configs though, |
| 21:39.13 | streuner | man rm |
| 21:39.15 | Tarantulafudge | i'm not exactly sure what they are |
| 21:39.29 | streuner | so just ignore it then... |
| 21:39.31 | poppor | lindi-: Neither have I hehe.. I have Motherboard monitor for windows.. |
| 21:39.33 | abrotman | ds11: but you're on etch .. you should be using stable if you're concerned about security |
| 21:39.37 | Tarantulafudge | ... |
| 21:40.08 | lindi- | poppor: windows? what's that? ;) |
| 21:40.10 | unixrox | forgive me my keyboard is a pice of junk |
| 21:40.11 | Tarantulafudge | no wonder gentoo is getting more popular |
| 21:40.19 | Tarantulafudge | everyone here is mean lol |
| 21:40.31 | ds11 | I know, but stable it too old for my needs..... |
| 21:40.46 | unixrox | lol |
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| 21:40.56 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: ask a specific question and somebody might know the answer :-) |
| 21:41.16 | poppor | lindi-: oh..I'm not in #ILOVEBILLGATES channel ? hehe (just a joke don't kick me) :) |
| 21:41.21 | Tarantulafudge | streuner, ok for starters, is there an app like gentoo's "depclean" ? |
| 21:41.33 | stew | Tarantulafudge: what does depclean do? |
| 21:41.47 | Tarantulafudge | stew, it uninstalls unused dependencies |
| 21:42.04 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: deborphan / debfoster |
| 21:42.21 | stew | Tarantulafudge: if you use aptitude instead of apt-get this id done automatically, otherwise use deborphan or debfoster, /msg dpkg deborphan ; /msg dpkg debfoster |
| 21:42.26 | stew | ^id^is |
| 21:42.35 | abrotman | ds11: well .. live with the bugs or run stable |
| 21:42.42 | Lorvija | uhm.. lol.. forgot.. i installed phpmyadmin with apt.. how do i access it with browser? (: |
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| 21:42.48 | Tarantulafudge | stew, I always thought aptitude was apt-get |
| 21:43.10 | ds11 | okie, thanks dudes' |
| 21:43.11 | ds11 | bye |
| 21:43.23 | Tarantulafudge | ooo neat |
| 21:43.30 | stew | Tarantulafudge: no they are different. aptitude includes a curese frontent but also can work from the command line like apt-get. |
| 21:43.46 | stew | time to go buy some dogfishhead |
| 21:43.55 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: apt is the tool to manage and resolve depencies AND bring it to your system, dpkg is the tool which manipulate the debs and installs it |
| 21:44.05 | stew | Lorvija: /usr/share/doc/phpmyadmin should have instructions |
| 21:44.15 | Lorvija | stew okay thanks |
| 21:44.16 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: aptitude is just an frondend not more or less |
| 21:44.31 | poppor | so does anyone know about the runlevels? |
| 21:44.31 | stew | Lorvija: but its probably just a matter of aliasing some url to /usr/share/phpmyadmin |
| 21:44.46 | stew | poppor: what specifically? |
| 21:45.05 | poppor | stew: why are there copies if the same links in all the rcx.d directories |
| 21:45.07 | Lorvija | stew aliasing... = goes to apache virtual server section? |
| 21:45.21 | FlimFlamMan | eight-legged d.j. |
| 21:45.22 | poppor | if=of |
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| 21:46.29 | penguin_ | I am having a clear bug since my last upgrade of X-chat, root terminal freezes the screen when X-chat is on. |
| 21:47.04 | stew | poppor: you mean why are runlevels 2-5 the same? |
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| 21:47.26 | poppor | stew: yes |
| 21:47.31 | stew | Lorvija: i mean something like Alias /phpmyadmin/ /usr/share/phpmyadmin/ ; but you should read the docs, i'm sure it's spelled out |
| 21:47.31 | drknnja | exec |
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| 21:47.42 | stew | poppor: consider it a clean slate for you to customize for your liking |
| 21:47.49 | Lorvija | stew yep just reading em, thanks for the help (: |
| 21:48.05 | drknnja | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.06 | drknnja | < hola a todos > |
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| 21:48.39 | penguin_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:48.51 | poppor | stew: but which one is valid and why does update-rc put it there? |
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| 21:48.55 | penguin_ | I am having trouble understand this one. Why is shift there? |
| 21:48.55 | Tarantulafudge | aptitude rox lol |
| 21:49.18 | Tarantulafudge | but theres no way to get rid of configs of apps since deleted? |
| 21:49.31 | Tarantulafudge | without having to find out which ones |
| 21:49.35 | streuner | man rrm |
| 21:49.39 | streuner | man rm |
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| 21:49.41 | streuner | no |
| 21:49.50 | stew | poppor: update-rc.d puts whatever you tell it to or puts links in all 4 by default. all are valid, but unless you change /etc/inittab you will be using runlevel 2 |
| 21:50.14 | momche | hi there |
| 21:50.47 | thingfish | momche? that means "boy" in bulgarian. |
| 21:50.47 | stew | Tarantulafudge: "dpkg -l | grep ^r" will show you packages which were removed but not purged /msg dpkg purge |
| 21:50.49 | poppor | stew: so only runlevel 2 is actually started as default ? |
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| 21:50.57 | stew | poppor: yes |
| 21:51.07 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: HARD way, run 'dpkg -S foo.file' - if the package is not installed the system (dpkg) doesn't use it |
| 21:51.17 | poppor | stew: thanks |
| 21:51.23 | momche | thingfish: Yes exactly! You know Bulgarian? |
| 21:51.33 | thingfish | momche: just a very little bit. |
| 21:51.52 | thingfish | samo njakolko hehe |
| 21:51.56 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: keep in mind, apps which are installed in /usr/local/ aren't effected then... |
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| 21:52.07 | momche | great! I'm from bulgaria. where are you from? |
| 21:52.12 | thingfish | USA |
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| 21:52.48 | momche | thingfish: nice to meet you (and all others) |
| 21:52.57 | thingfish | momche: welcome to #debian. |
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| 21:53.09 | momche | thanks! |
| 21:54.25 | momche | I'm looking for some help with OOo - after update it wont start and gives segmentation fault. Is there anybody who can try to help me? |
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| 21:55.11 | Tarantulafudge | how do I install testing apps? |
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| 21:55.27 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
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| 21:56.11 | thingfish | momche: check bugs.debian.org/openoffice, if you haven't already done so. |
| 21:56.34 | momche | thingfish: thanks - going to do :) |
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| 21:57.06 | chealer | momche: which release? |
| 21:57.07 | ray | using apt how do i see what version a package is ... in the repo? |
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| 21:57.26 | chealer | ray: apt-get update; apt-cache policy foo |
| 21:57.35 | ray | chealer, ty |
| 21:57.39 | momche | chealer: OOo or Debian |
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| 21:57.46 | chealer | momche: debian |
| 21:57.47 | Tarantulafudge | libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone 500 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages |
| 21:58.00 | pirate | All of a sudden I'm getting many MD5Sum mismatches when I apt-get update... Why? |
| 21:58.09 | chealer | Tarantulafudge: that depends on which apps |
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| 21:58.15 | momche | sarge, unstable with all today's updates |
| 21:58.34 | chealer | momche: what do you mean? |
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| 21:58.46 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: if you want newer packages just run testing |
| 21:59.00 | streuner | Tarantulafudge: /msg dpkg stable->testing |
| 21:59.32 | momche | chealer: mean my debian packages are from unstable repository and all today's available updates are applied |
| 21:59.49 | chealer | momche: and what sarge do you have? |
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| 22:00.32 | thingfish | !beer everyone |
| 22:00.34 | momche | chealer: little confused. will uname -a answer you? |
| 22:00.54 | chealer | momche: no. you said "sarge, unstable" |
| 22:00.59 | chealer | sarge != unstable |
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| 22:01.06 | jorch | hi |
| 22:01.12 | chealer | momche: reinstalling sarge will most likely fix your problem |
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| 22:01.32 | Tarantulafudge | I guess I could live without kronolith and turba... but i really wish i could get at them |
| 22:01.54 | momche | chealer: yes sarge =! unstable. No! reinstalling is not a suitable - have to reinstall 12 computers :( |
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| 22:02.25 | chealer | momche: that's will just save you 12 times more breakage |
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| 22:03.03 | Tarantulafudge | Is there premade 2.6 kernel ? |
| 22:03.07 | thingfish | sure! |
| 22:03.13 | thingfish | lots of 'em. |
| 22:03.18 | Tarantulafudge | i mean for debian |
| 22:03.27 | Tarantulafudge | 2.4 is slow |
| 22:03.29 | parag0n | yep |
| 22:03.29 | Tarantulafudge | :\ |
| 22:03.30 | thingfish | well did you think I was talking about for fedora?? |
| 22:03.46 | parag0n | apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 22:03.47 | thingfish | of course, for Debian. sheesh. |
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| 22:03.58 | Tarantulafudge | lol |
| 22:04.03 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:04.03 | momche | chealer: look the strangest thing is under xfce it works. Currently I'm apt-get-ing kde to try out |
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| 22:04.30 | deb_ian | how are you gentlemen |
| 22:04.31 | houman_zhu | hi there, i just compiled a kernel from src and it comes out as a 386 kernel not a 686 eventhough i chose the right processsor, does anyone knwo why this happens? |
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| 22:04.50 | meowwuff | whats the best way to synchornize times across a bunch of servers so they all use the same time, and update it to keep it current via ntp |
| 22:05.02 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 22:05.02 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 22:05.19 | meowwuff | dondelelcaro- i know that you should read my question until the end,. |
| 22:05.34 | dondelelcaro | meowwuff: uh, you should read all of what dpkg said. |
| 22:05.40 | meowwuff | i know all about ntpdate |
| 22:05.41 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, nothing happens lol |
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| 22:05.49 | dondelelcaro | meowwuff: but you apparently don't know about ntp-simple. |
| 22:05.57 | meowwuff | all our servers dont run |
| 22:05.59 | meowwuff | debian |
| 22:06.01 | meowwuff | unfrotunately. |
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| 22:06.17 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: what do mean "nothing happens"? Nothing happens when you do what? |
| 22:06.22 | dondelelcaro | meowwuff: *shrug*; not my problem. ntpd will help you there, but this being #debian, you'll get a Debian specific answer. |
| 22:06.31 | houman_zhu | why wont someone make a decent howto for kernel compile for sarge just liek there is one for ubuntu? looks like there is so much less howtos and docs geared towards newbies in debian |
| 22:06.41 | dondelelcaro | !kp mantra |
| 22:06.41 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is export MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.4 HOSTCC=gcc-3.4"; make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
| 22:06.51 | chealer | houman_zhu: why do you compile a kernerl? |
| 22:06.59 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 |
| 22:07.06 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: what's so hard about the above? And indeed, if you are a newbie, you probably shouldn't be compiling a kernel. |
| 22:07.09 | thingfish | houman_zhu: install kernel-package and read /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz. |
| 22:07.19 | parag0n | houman_zhu, there is a good one somewhere |
| 22:07.19 | chealer | why "CC=gcc-3.4"? |
| 22:07.28 | houman_zhu | i comile it because the stock kernel image wont work on my laptop |
| 22:07.35 | Tank- | houman_zhu: thats respective of user base though. ubuntu was designed as linux for the masses. Thats no debians credo. |
| 22:07.35 | houman_zhu | its an inspiron 6000 |
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| 22:07.42 | dondelelcaro | chealer: because kernels pre-2.6.13 don't compile with gcc-4.0 |
| 22:07.52 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: you seem somewhat new-ish, why don't you try synaptic. It's a great gui tool for searching for and installing (as well as removing) packages. |
| 22:08.39 | chealer | dondelelcaro: what about 3.3? |
| 22:08.39 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: well, if you know the config that you need, then the above mantra is all you need to do. |
| 22:08.39 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, sorry i'm just really used to gentoo.. |
| 22:08.39 | dondelelcaro | chealer: sure, you could use 3.3 |
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| 22:08.40 | [GABRI] | anyone have chillispot? |
| 22:08.40 | Tank- | Question, Ive got 200 odd debian box's need to keep track of package versions for each machine in a central location. i figured surely someone else has had this problem but can't find anything. (sorry to repeat) If someone knows theres not anything thats helpful also, Ill start writing my own. |
| 22:08.40 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: well get un-used to it. |
| 22:08.43 | [GABRI] | hi |
| 22:08.44 | houman_zhu | i like that kernel mantra thing but thats a bunch of commands , i dont knwo what they mean, a howto would explain why somethign would be used and teach the user whats happenig just like those great gentoo docs |
| 22:08.56 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, but gentoo is awsome lol |
| 22:09.09 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: man make-kpkg; has the information, and so does the documentation in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 22:09.20 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: there's nothing in that command that isn't described in great detail there. |
| 22:09.25 | [GABRI] | anyone have chillispot? |
| 22:09.41 | dondelelcaro | [GABRI]: stop repeating; if someone had it, they would have responded already. |
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| 22:09.51 | houman_zhu | alright, i'll look at the docs , but still nothing can replace a good howto with screenshots :p |
| 22:09.59 | thingfish | pfft |
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| 22:10.11 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: it's a command line program for crying out loud! what good are screenshots going to do? |
| 22:10.11 | thingfish | why do we even try. |
| 22:10.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:10.31 | chealer | houman_zhu: debian comes with fine programs for taking screenshots |
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| 22:10.34 | houman_zhu | ok like , why the hell would i need to use fakertoot and why cant i just do everything as root, |
| 22:10.55 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: because only idiots do things as root that they don't actually need to do as root. |
| 22:11.08 | thingfish | if you would read what I told you, you would hush because you'd see how incredibly simple it is. |
| 22:11.09 | houman_zhu | or liek what the hek is the deal with that initrd thing, :| i totally dont get it, why do some people use makeinitrd and some just use --initrd in the compiling of the kernel |
| 22:11.22 | thingfish | because one is EASY |
| 22:11.41 | treyh0 | how come they dont have irc channels for #windows-support |
| 22:11.42 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: because they want a custom initrd? indeed, that's the whole point of specifying --initrd... |
| 22:11.50 | treyh0 | or do they?!? |
| 22:11.53 | dondelelcaro | treyh0: try efnet or dalnet or something. |
| 22:11.55 | thingfish | I must need to drink more, yes, that's the problem. |
| 22:11.55 | CoutAway | i am upgrading my system right now and i'm getting extremely weird errors |
| 22:11.57 | dondelelcaro | treyh0: you're on the wrong network. |
| 22:12.04 | houman_zhu | dondelelcaro: well, sometimes you gott do things as root, and i think doing a new kernel is one of those times, and if youre gonna screw up your machine just cuz you didnt type make menuconfig right then i dunon what to say |
| 22:12.19 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: no, you don't need to be root to build a kernel. That's the whole point of fakeroot. |
| 22:12.22 | thingfish | !long island iced tea dondelelcaro |
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| 22:12.32 | daEAGLEmon | what's the pkg that provides java plugin for mozilla? |
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| 22:12.56 | daEAGLEmon | like libgcj? |
| 22:13.09 | houman_zhu | dondelelcaro: well you gotta be root to install it, so the added ecurity of compiling it as a user is really insignificant |
| 22:13.19 | houman_zhu | or maybe there is more to it and i dont know |
| 22:13.44 | chealer | daEAGLEmon: a java-package-made JRE |
| 22:13.50 | lindi- | daEAGLEmon: there's 'gcjwebplugin' but it hasn't been security audited yet |
| 22:14.00 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: no, it's not... if some moron sets an rm -rf $(FOOB)/$(BARG); and you're running that commmand as root and FOO and BAR haven't been defined... well, you're pretty much screwed. |
| 22:14.04 | thingfish | tell daEAGLEmon about java-package |
| 22:14.08 | houman_zhu | dondelelcaro: and some people said with a vanilla kernel you cant use the --initrd flag, but i did and it worked, so i dunno what the hel is happening, and believe me i wouldnt be compiling this if the stock worked |
| 22:14.15 | thingfish | aack |
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| 22:14.25 | CoutAway | i am getting extremely weird errors when upgrading my machine. dpkg complained about non-executable postinst scripts |
| 22:14.26 | thingfish | !tell daEAGLEmon about java-package |
| 22:14.30 | lindi- | houman_zhu: cramfs was broken around 2.4.18 in vanilla kernels |
| 22:14.35 | dondelelcaro | houman_zhu: uh, you don't need initrd if you're compiling you're own. The whole point of compiling your own is so you don't have to use intird. |
| 22:14.41 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: you have /var mounted noexec. |
| 22:14.57 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, so about the 2.6 kernel thingy? |
| 22:14.57 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: fix that, and rerun it. |
| 22:14.57 | thingfish | or maybe because you have special needs. |
| 22:15.06 | daEAGLEmon | ah ty |
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| 22:15.28 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: open a termina, type su, give it root's password, then type synaptic and search for kernel-image |
| 22:15.29 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: no, i do not. moreover, i checked the files it ranted about with file, and they were of no known type. when viewing with less, they appeared as a bunch of nulls |
| 22:15.29 | lindi- | daEAGLEmon: but feel free to try it with 'secure' applets and report any bugs |
| 22:15.37 | thingfish | *terminal |
| 22:15.41 | thingfish | see, the booze is taking effect. |
| 22:15.46 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: it is more polite to ask first, and then wait for the reply, even if you think it's obvious - and it's not. |
| 22:15.48 | houman_zhu | dondelelcaro: you mean someone screwed up a makefile in the kernel? by theat logic then i have no way of knowing if i install that kernel it wont format my computer or somethign |
| 22:16.12 | thingfish | don't tell dondelelcaro what to do or how to be, he's da man. |
| 22:16.30 | houman_zhu | dondelelcaro: i dont need an initrd? then how can i boot? :| am i missing something |
| 22:16.32 | [GABRI] | anyone have chillispot? |
| 22:16.37 | lindi- | houman_zhu: you can compile and run on a different machine |
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| 22:16.41 | Coutal | okay, don't want to start a flamewar. anyway my /var was definitely executable. |
| 22:17.03 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: give us the output of cat /proc/mounts for the partition that is /var |
| 22:17.06 | lindi- | houman_zhu: you need root priviledges naturally only on the machine where you run the kernel, it's completely unnecessary to have them on the compile machine |
| 22:17.10 | treyh0 | what the hell is chillispot |
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| 22:17.54 | Coutal | i have a single mount point for / in this system and it is: /dev2/root2 / xfs rw 0 0 |
| 22:17.58 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: the output of ls -l /var/lib/dpkg/info/foothingnot+x.postinst; would be useful too. |
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| 22:18.20 | houman_zhu | lindi-: do you knwo why when i comile it the name comes out as 386 not 686? like kernel-image...386 |
| 22:18.32 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: ok, give us the complete output from your dpkg --configure -a; run using the paster bot. |
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| 22:18.59 | Coutal | one by one, i'm using a single-button mouse so i can't paste from that box :) sec |
| 22:19.24 | thingfish | I bet he doesn't know that "cu" means "asshole" in brasilian portuguese. |
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| 22:19.55 | lindi- | houman_zhu: that's probably some option too, i never bothered to fix the nae |
| 22:19.59 | treyh0 | Tank-: http://cssh.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:20.16 | dondelelcaro | lindi-: the name is _i386, because that's the architecture; has nothing to do with what architecture the kernel is for. |
| 22:20.17 | Coutal | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error |
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| 22:20.25 | Coutal | that's for esound-clients |
| 22:20.30 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: the whole output please... |
| 22:20.33 | lindi- | dondelelcaro: good point! |
| 22:20.52 | Tarantulafudge | here comes the 2.6 kernel! woohoo |
| 22:20.58 | Tarantulafudge | lol |
| 22:21.00 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: how do i copy/paste from a one-button mouse machine? |
| 22:21.12 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: dpkg --configure -a > foofile; stick foofile somewhere, then paste it. |
| 22:21.14 | thingfish | yay! |
| 22:21.23 | thingfish | see, Tarantulafudge, I knew you could do it. |
| 22:21.26 | Coutal | hrm, right, the file-io c&p. sec :) |
| 22:21.31 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: or if you're using a macintosh, enable the multi-button adb hack and use something like F10 and F11 for your mousebuttons. |
| 22:21.36 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, does it make it default? |
| 22:21.45 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, or do I need to do that manually |
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| 22:22.00 | dondelelcaro | or plug in a real mouse... |
| 22:22.11 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: it will install it as the default - all you have to do is reboot to it. |
| 22:22.13 | treyh0 | Tank-: apt-get install clusterssh |
| 22:22.28 | thingfish | stand back and witness the glory that is Debian! |
| 22:22.41 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, if im correct, i686 is anything better than a pentium? |
| 22:22.44 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: it's a mac with no usb ports, only adb :). but i'm doing the redirect (needs 2> as it seems) |
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| 22:22.50 | thingfish | there should definitely be more people drinking in here. It's Friday night, ffs. |
| 22:23.09 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: you are correct, sir. |
| 22:23.22 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, thanks for the help man |
| 22:23.28 | Gnea | hey what's that command/package for doing finer-tuning of ACL permissions on files? |
| 22:23.29 | thingfish | my pleasure, dude. |
| 22:23.37 | Gnea | i have completely forgotten what it was :/ |
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| 22:23.44 | thingfish | get it while you can. I'll probably pass out here in a couple hours. |
| 22:24.06 | thingfish | j/k |
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| 22:24.49 | thingfish | I almost bought wine tonight, but damn, you have to drink the whole bottle at one sitting because old red wine is just crappy. |
| 22:24.55 | treyh0 | Gnea: setfacl ? apt-get install acl |
| 22:25.12 | Gnea | treyh0: thank you! :) |
| 22:25.19 | thingfish | well, I mean Opened old red wine. |
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| 22:25.26 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: so do something like cat 68 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_2_keycode; cat 87 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_3_keycode; echo 1 > /proc/sys/dev/mac_hid/mouse_button_emulation; |
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| 22:25.42 | dondelelcaro | s/cat/echo/g |
| 22:25.43 | treyh0 | thingfish: make your own and get 17-18% alcohol :P |
| 22:25.48 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, anyone know any decent free open source windows ported irc chat apps that have name highlighting? |
| 22:25.52 | thingfish | wee! |
| 22:26.02 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, I've been using xircon for like ever |
| 22:26.08 | Fubarovic | i built a custom kernel from debian sarge's latest kernel source (2.6.8), and i get an error trying to modprobe the nfs(d) module |
| 22:26.12 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: no, sorry. I use gaim in both linux and windows. |
| 22:26.19 | Fubarovic | doesnt linux like nfs(d) as a kernel ? |
| 22:26.31 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, ooh yea i forgot about gaim... i'll use that lol |
| 22:26.36 | Tarantulafudge | brb |
| 22:26.42 | dondelelcaro | Fubarovic: what error? |
| 22:26.58 | Fubarovic | FATAL: Error inserting nfs (/lib/modules/2.6.8-accalia/kernel/fs/nfs/nfs.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 22:27.06 | Fubarovic | same error with nfsd |
| 22:27.12 | thingfish | treyh0: or just buy some vintage zinfandel from a good california vintner. |
| 22:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Fubarovic: check dmesg |
| 22:27.22 | Fubarovic | i just checked and nfs / nfsd are configged as a module in my kernel-config |
| 22:27.25 | thingfish | those things get way high in alcohol. |
| 22:27.29 | dondelelcaro | Fubarovic: did you modprobe nfs? |
| 22:27.32 | Fubarovic | yeah |
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| 22:27.36 | Fubarovic | doesn' t work either |
| 22:27.38 | dondelelcaro | Fubarovic: have you depmod -a; yet? |
| 22:27.44 | treyh0 | thingfish: i make my own cause its so cheap and i can't find anything like it in the stores :) |
| 22:27.49 | Fubarovic | i' ll do that right now! :) |
| 22:27.52 | thingfish | sweet |
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| 22:28.07 | Fubarovic | <3 dondelelcaro |
| 22:28.14 | treyh0 | im bottling some watermelon "sparkling wine" and blueberry port this weekend too :> |
| 22:28.15 | thingfish | treyh0: so I mean is it serious wine? Or do you just use some concord grape crap? |
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| 22:28.23 | thingfish | wow, cool |
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| 22:28.30 | thingfish | my dad is making some peach wine right now. |
| 22:28.31 | Fubarovic | i thought "depmod" was run after building the kernel? |
| 22:28.35 | treyh0 | thingfish: my first few batches were grape-based, but then i tried other things |
| 22:28.37 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, wow I've never used gaim irc before, this rocks |
| 22:28.40 | Fubarovic | many thanks, dondelelcaro :) |
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| 22:28.48 | thingfish | he's made dandelion wine before...that stuff will knock you on your ass. |
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| 22:28.51 | treyh0 | mmm i want to try peach wine but i heard it spoils easily |
| 22:28.55 | treyh0 | cool |
| 22:28.57 | dondelelcaro | Fubarovic: it's supposed to be, but if you're installing the same verison has you've had previously installed, wierd things can happen. |
| 22:29.11 | thingfish | I hope not - he's got a lot of it. |
| 22:29.13 | Tarantulafudge | someone try telling me something so I can see if irc highlighting works |
| 22:29.18 | Fubarovic | i went from sarge's default kernel to the "latest" 2.6.8 |
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| 22:29.31 | thingfish | Tarantulafudge: boo |
| 22:29.35 | Fubarovic | 2.4.27 -> 2.6.8 (i did remember the module-init-tools tho ;)) |
| 22:29.44 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, cool |
| 22:29.52 | Tarantulafudge | thingfish, thanks |
| 22:30.05 | thingfish | sure thing, tarantula-man |
| 22:30.16 | thingfish | !beer Tarantulafudge |
| 22:30.23 | thingfish | ooh spaten |
| 22:30.31 | Tarantulafudge | lol |
| 22:30.37 | thingfish | them germans know how to make that beer.... |
| 22:31.00 | Coutal | http://channels.debian.net/paste/998 |
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| 22:31.46 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: it's there |
| 22:31.47 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: strange; and what's the first line of /var/lib/dpkg/info/esound-clients.postinst ? |
| 22:31.55 | thingfish | I tried opensuse earlier this week. Glitzy. Oodles of gui tools. Sluggish overall performance. Wanted to overdrive my monitor. |
| 22:32.07 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: it's filled with nulls. |
| 22:32.13 | momche | Sorry people! With whom I was talking about OOo problem? Restarted and forgot :( |
| 22:32.14 | thingfish | why do these other companies even bother... |
| 22:32.24 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: hahah; well, that would be the problem then. Just delete it and try reinstalling that package. |
| 22:32.38 | chealer | momche: I talked about it |
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| 22:32.46 | Coutal | that's what i did. it wasn't the only package that did that, too. one by one i fixed em. the thing is, how did it happen? |
| 22:33.01 | meowwuff | ahh haha |
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| 22:33.05 | legrand | momoche: what OOo-problem? |
| 22:33.05 | Coutal | i checked my hard drive for errors, found none. the archive doesn't seem corrupt... it's all too weird. |
| 22:33.06 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: you may want to run whatever the xfs fsck equivalent is; sounds like something is corrupting your partition. |
| 22:33.06 | momche | chealer: Thanks! Solved the problem |
| 22:33.12 | meowwuff | dondelelcaro- a DEBIAN question :P, how do I change my timezone from GMT to UTC |
| 22:33.15 | chealer | momche: what was it? |
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| 22:33.40 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: a bug in xfs would be even more distressing than a bug in esound-clients, i'd say :) |
| 22:33.42 | TGoC|BRB | I need ncurses lib's however apt-get makes me believe i installed them already, anybody got an idea? |
| 22:33.44 | momche | OOo were crashing (segmentation fault) after I updated to OOo2.0 |
| 22:33.59 | chealer | momche: but how did you solve it? |
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| 22:34.10 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: yeah; but you can trivially check that; dpkg-deb -e esounds-clients*.deb DEBIAN; should give you the postinst. |
| 22:34.23 | momche | chealer: just a second to explain the symptoms |
| 22:34.29 | Coutal | dondelelcaro |
| 22:34.31 | Coutal | err |
| 22:34.34 | dondelelcaro | meowwuff: TZ=GMT; or use tzconfig to change it... |
| 22:34.42 | Coutal | dondelelcaro: doesn't apt do checksumming on downloaded packages? |
| 22:35.00 | dondelelcaro | Coutal: yes, the md5sum of the .deb should match the md5sum in the Packages file |
| 22:35.06 | kamaraju | Using Debian sid. Anyone know how to write the equivalent of \hat{c} in postscript enhanced terminal of gnuplot? |
| 22:35.08 | meowwuff | dondek_- thanks |
| 22:35.10 | meowwuff | dondelelcaro- thanks man |
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| 22:35.19 | Drakh | sid is evil |
| 22:35.20 | momche | chealer: the strangest thing was that after I log off and log in with different locale or different environment (i.e. IceWm, XFCE, etc.) it was working until next restart |
| 22:35.28 | Drakh | sid is for scary people |
| 22:35.31 | legrand | momoche: what kernel? 2.6.8 (Standard Sarge) worked fine, but a 2.8.12 (especially SMP-variant) screwed up badly (tore KDE & X down) |
| 22:35.31 | Drakh | :< |
| 22:35.36 | Coutal | and it should fail or at least warn if the md5sum isn't right. are the *inst scripts part of the checksum though? |
| 22:35.50 | momche | then with same (working) locale or environments it seg faulting again |
| 22:36.05 | momche | chealer: and vice-versa |
| 22:36.28 | TGoC|BRB | This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead. |
| 22:36.51 | momche | chealer: Solution - put the user to video group and voila - OOo works just fine |
| 22:37.17 | chealer | momche: hum, strange |
| 22:37.31 | momche | chealer: The solution I've found in the bug list |
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| 22:37.43 | chealer | momche: ok, what's the #? |
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| 22:38.10 | momche | chealer: just a second - looking for it |
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| 22:38.44 | TGoC|BRB | This needs the ncurses library. If it is not available, menuconf wont work. If you are using curses, use make menuconfig-curses instead. <-- what libs do i need? i already got libncurses4 and 5 |
| 22:39.07 | chealer | TGoC|BRB: you need the -dev |
| 22:39.19 | momche | chealer: #334902 |
| 22:39.22 | TGoC|BRB | i also have that |
| 22:39.38 | dondelelcaro | TGoC|BRB: you have libncurses5-dev |
| 22:39.40 | dondelelcaro | ? |
| 22:39.47 | TGoC|BRB | yes |
| 22:39.59 | TGoC|BRB | libncurses5-dev is already the newest version. |
| 22:39.59 | caphuso | TGoC|BRB: is there a message along the lines of "gcc: command not found" or similar on the screen? |
| 22:40.04 | TGoC|BRB | let's see |
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| 22:40.36 | TGoC|BRB | nop |
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| 22:40.56 | caphuso | TGoC|BRB: well, do an "apt-get install build-essential" anyway |
| 22:41.01 | momche | chealer: Also I've experiensed same problem with OOo 1.1.4-7. In fact OOo stopped working after I updated to 1.1.4-7 |
| 22:41.06 | TGoC|BRB | what is that caphuso? |
| 22:41.06 | chealer | momche: strange. thanks |
| 22:41.14 | dondelelcaro | TGoC|BRB: apt-get install build-essential fakeroot kernel-package libncurses5-dev |
| 22:41.24 | TGoC|BRB | no no no |
| 22:41.26 | TGoC|BRB | no fakeroot |
| 22:41.29 | _H_ | hi all, i want to remove apt06 and dpkg -i older apt, is it possible? |
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| 22:41.37 | TGoC|BRB | it's for a psybnc |
| 22:41.40 | _H_ | does anyone know it? |
| 22:41.42 | chealer | _H_: why? |
| 22:41.43 | momche | chealer: Even strange is with prebuild binaries from bg.openoffice.org it works (1.1.4-7) |
| 22:41.43 | TGoC|BRB | no way it's going to get root permission |
| 22:41.44 | dondelelcaro | TGoC|BRB: you still want fakeroot. |
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| 22:41.54 | dondelelcaro | TGoC|BRB: uh, I don't think you understand what fakeroot is at all. |
| 22:41.58 | dondelelcaro | TGoC|BRB: apt-cache show fakeroot. |
| 22:42.00 | _H_ | becouse the new apt, is giving me problems with gpg signature |
| 22:42.10 | stew | _H_: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 22:42.15 | momche | chealer: mean without being member of video group |
| 22:42.26 | chealer | momche: yes |
| 22:42.27 | error403 | Is there any way to remove artsd completely? It just really annoys me when artsd grabs the sound device, and WONT give it back unless you manually kill it... |
| 22:42.27 | Fubarovic | i've got a package whose post-config failed, now everytime i install something new, dpkg --configure is run on that failing pkg to no avail. can i make this stop? |
| 22:42.32 | _H_ | stew? i dont understand |
| 22:42.42 | stew | !tell _H_ about apt secure |
| 22:42.45 | TGoC|BRB | Oh |
| 22:43.02 | stew | _H_: the dpkg bot should have just sent you a message telling you how to fix your problem |
| 22:43.03 | TGoC|BRB | it works now |
| 22:43.04 | TGoC|BRB | :) |
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| 22:43.10 | TGoC|BRB | love you all |
| 22:43.20 | _H_ | ops! |
| 22:43.22 | _H_ | :) |
| 22:43.31 | momche | chealer: Hope this info will help others. Shall I register in bugs.debian.org to confirm this bug? |
| 22:43.40 | TGoC|BRB | What's the difference between blowfish and idea? |
| 22:43.43 | TGoC|BRB | encryption* |
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| 22:43.55 | chealer | momche: there's no registration needed. man reportbug |
| 22:44.05 | jdhutchin1 | TGoC|BRB, they're just two different encryption algorithms |
| 22:44.11 | momche | chealer: thanks |
| 22:44.14 | jdhutchin1 | TGoC|BRB, idea has some patent issues in some (not all) countries |
| 22:44.37 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.38 | TGoC|BRB | wich one is safer? |
| 22:44.42 | TGoC|BRB | does idea work for dutchies? |
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| 22:45.00 | jdhutchin1 | TGoC|BRB, they're both about the same strength, neither has any real known weakness |
| 22:45.03 | momche | OK bye to all - going to bed |
| 22:45.10 | TGoC|BRB | Ay ay :) |
| 22:45.15 | TGoC|BRB | SO what do you suggest? |
| 22:45.41 | pattieja | anybody familiar with whiptail programming? |
| 22:46.15 | pattieja | I'm having difficulty figuring out how to obtain the result from a --menu when whiptail sends the selected menu item to stderr |
| 22:46.25 | stew | deepan: tr -d ' \t\n' < file > anotherfile |
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| 22:47.05 | pattieja | even just a website for whiptail would be nice. Can't even find that |
| 22:47.26 | TGoC|BRB | What do you guys prefer? blow the fish or the idea? |
| 22:47.30 | eeyore- | pattieja: somewhat |
| 22:47.41 | _H_ | <stew> !tell _H_ about apt secure i did tryed this 6 hours ago, and it did not worked for me |
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| 22:48.05 | stew | _H_: you mean you added the debian key with apt-key? |
| 22:48.07 | _H_ | the only solution i found was to use the oriniginal debian.org url |
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| 22:48.14 | _H_ | i added yes |
| 22:48.21 | pattieja | eeyore-, can I read from stderr to obtain what whiptail wrote there? |
| 22:48.21 | _H_ | and nothing changed stew |
| 22:48.25 | stew | _H_: do you have non-debian sources? marillat perhaps? |
| 22:48.37 | _H_ | i had, not now |
| 22:48.44 | eeyore- | pattieja: yes, it's the "tag" not the menu choice text |
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| 22:48.56 | pattieja | I've attempted a 'read result <2', which tells me that the file doesn't exist, and a 'read result <&2', which doesn't return until I press enter |
| 22:49.26 | stew | _H_: if you have added the key with apt-key then it must be complaining about a non-debian source. you can diable the checking in apt.conf iirc |
| 22:49.40 | pattieja | and whiptail outputs to the screen before the read occurs, also, so I'm thinking I need to redirect whiptail's stderr to a variable somehow |
| 22:49.44 | _H_ | now i dont have that stew, and now it runs well with debian.org but i want to put kde 3.4.1 and for that i need to have the old apt |
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| 22:50.26 | chealer | _H_: which release do you run? |
| 22:50.31 | stew | _H_: you can just say 'Y' to install from the non-authenticated sources |
| 22:50.48 | _H_ | stew, is it true that if i disable that checking i will not check the origen of my packages |
| 22:50.50 | _H_ | ? |
| 22:51.00 | stew | yes |
| 22:51.12 | eeyore- | pattieja: yes, the normal way to do that is to use a particular sequence of redirection |
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| 22:51.16 | _H_ | there is no more the md5 checksum? |
| 22:51.26 | eeyore- | pattieja: let's see ... |
| 22:51.37 | dondelelcaro | _H_: can you give us the full output of your apt-get run? |
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| 22:51.43 | _H_ | and if i put the old apt, i will have at least that checksum isn it ? |
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| 22:52.12 | dli | my vim has auto newline. how to disable it? |
| 22:52.16 | jair_11 | it is ok to install apache, mysql and php in the firewall box with iptables and two NICs? |
| 22:52.25 | dondelelcaro | _H_: or at least tell us what key apt-get is complaining about. |
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| 22:52.33 | _oP | aloha |
| 22:52.34 | pattieja | eeyore-, whenever I wrap whiptail in a $( whiptail ... ) or `whiptail ...` set, it sits there at a prompt until I press enter and whiptail output is not displayed |
| 22:52.34 | mith | jair_11: no you're not allowed to |
| 22:52.42 | jair_11 | mith, hahha |
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| 22:52.50 | _oP | hope all fine |
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| 22:53.04 | jair_11 | mith, not seriosly, it is ok to do that or I am compromising a lot?? |
| 22:53.10 | _oP | #me, need more alc |
| 22:53.10 | eeyore- | pattieja: whiptail --menu test menu 20 20 2 a "first choice" b "second choice" 2>/tmp/foo |
| 22:53.12 | Fubarovic | how do i change a package's state from "installed ok, half configured" ? |
| 22:53.17 | jair_11 | it will be my iptables firewall there |
| 22:53.18 | stew | _H_: paste the output into http://channels.debian.net/paste (don't paste in here) |
| 22:53.36 | _oP | so after seeing what i ahve drunk i brb |
| 22:53.41 | eeyore- | pattieja: uh, --menu "test menu" |
| 22:53.43 | stew | Fubarovic: dpkg --configure -a; or dpkg-reconfigure pkgname |
| 22:53.54 | Fubarovic | yeah, but then config always fails |
| 22:53.59 | _H_ | ok, i will change my sources.list to have problems to show you |
| 22:54.05 | stew | Fubarovic: fails why? |
| 22:54.10 | Fubarovic | no clue |
| 22:54.22 | eeyore- | pattieja: if you *don't* want to redirect choice to a file, you have to be careful about the order of redirection. let's see .... |
| 22:54.23 | Fubarovic | no biggy tho, the package works :D |
| 22:54.24 | pattieja | eeyore-, I didn't want to have to deal with on disk files for reading output from whiptail. I wanted to capture everything in variables in the script so it stays 'self-contained' as it were |
| 22:54.26 | stew | Fubarovic: what packages? have you checked the bts? (/msg dpkg bts) |
| 22:54.35 | pattieja | eeyore-, exactly, thanks |
| 22:54.38 | Fubarovic | nfs-kernel-server, stew |
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| 22:55.07 | stew | Fubarovic: do you get error messages? |
| 22:55.07 | shadowarts | is there a floppy disk image for installing debian |
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| 22:55.21 | stew | Fubarovic: have you tried --purging it and --reinstall? |
| 22:55.24 | shadowarts | like if you have a pcmia cd drive that cant be used to boot with |
| 22:55.26 | stew | !sarge floppies |
| 22:55.27 | dpkg | methinks sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitue your arch for i386 |
| 22:55.36 | Fubarovic | stew, i'll try that |
| 22:55.37 | Fubarovic | thx |
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| 22:56.02 | dli | shadowarts, how about usb? |
| 22:56.13 | eeyore- | pattieja: result=`whiptail ....... 2>&1 1>/dev/tty` |
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| 22:56.22 | pattieja | ewww |
| 22:56.27 | shadowarts | dli, no just pcmia option |
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| 22:56.40 | eeyore- | pattieja: so basically #2 goes to stdout, and stdout gets reassigned to "current tty" |
| 22:56.55 | _H_ | stew http://channels.debian.net/paste/1000 |
| 22:57.03 | eeyore- | pattieja: it all goes to work around the fact that `` is only good for "stdout" :-) |
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| 22:57.24 | _H_ | sin verificacion means untrusted |
| 22:57.25 | pattieja | won't that interfere with the actual displaying of the whiptail dialogs, etc. and assign them into your result variable? |
| 22:57.35 | eeyore- | pattieja: no, it won't |
| 22:57.37 | eeyore- | pattieja: try it |
| 22:57.42 | pattieja | because of the > /dev/tty? |
| 22:57.47 | eeyore- | pattieja: right |
| 22:57.56 | pattieja | still feels icky to me |
| 22:58.02 | eeyore- | pattieja: it is |
| 22:58.03 | pattieja | but I guess I'll use it |
| 22:58.03 | xst | I have installed mailman on a sarge-box. Does anyone know what user the crontab for mailman is registered under? (There is no "mailman" user...) |
| 22:58.10 | stew | _H_: yes, becuase you are installing from an unofficial mirror. you need to find out if this mirror has a key, or install with --allow-unauthenticated or just hit 's' at that prompt |
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| 22:58.28 | Fubarovic | that did work, stew ! i think --config failed because of my existing /etc/exports |
| 22:58.59 | pattieja | eeyore-, it worked... |
| 22:59.12 | stew | Fubarovic: i don't think it should care. but if you think so, move it out of the way, repeat then replace it |
| 22:59.17 | _H_ | ok, stew, i understand that. the problem is that i dont want to loose all the control, at least the old apt did made md5 checksum |
| 22:59.22 | pattieja | eeyore-, I'm not sure how it works, quite, though |
| 22:59.22 | TGoC|BRB | Sat Oct 29 00:56:49 :Listener created :0.0.0.0 port 30000 |
| 22:59.23 | TGoC|BRB | Sat Oct 29 00:56:49 :Can't create listening sock on host * port 30000 (bind) |
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| 22:59.32 | TGoC|BRB | what could be the problem? |
| 22:59.33 | stew | _H_: then you must find the key for this repository |
| 22:59.34 | eeyore- | pattieja: it's like i said before. order of redirection matters :) |
| 22:59.36 | pattieja | eeyore-, specifically, I can follow how the redirection happens |
| 22:59.38 | _H_ | thats why i want to downgrade to the old apt |
| 23:00.09 | dli | my ntp service is unstable. sequential "ntpdate <server>" randomly change up to 3 seconds |
| 23:00.13 | _H_ | what is needed to find the key of one repository, were i do start to search? |
| 23:00.15 | pattieja | eeyore-, I guess I just quite can't see it, yet. stderr gets redirected to stdout which is currently (I assume) /dev/tty, right? |
| 23:00.25 | eeyore- | pattieja: at the time 2>&1 (fd #2 = dup of fd #1), fd1 = stdout, hence fd 2 is also stdout. but then, fd #1 gets set to /dev/tty |
| 23:00.32 | pattieja | eeyore-, then, stdout gets redirected back to where it was originally? i.e., /dev/tty |
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| 23:00.44 | sword- | anyone here use gimp? |
| 23:01.02 | eeyore- | patte: but *once* fd #2 was dup'd to stdout, the fact that stdout gets reassigned doesn't matter, because fd #2 doesn't follow it again, ever |
| 23:01.03 | pattieja | eeyore-, then what is stdout pointing to originally if not /dev/tty? |
| 23:01.10 | SimonRaven | sword-: no one does, not even the authors |
| 23:01.21 | sword- | haha |
| 23:01.45 | _H_ | is it possible to donwgrade to the old apt? |
| 23:01.46 | eeyore- | pattieja: orginal stdout is the *redirected* from `` convention ;-) |
| 23:01.50 | pattieja | eeyore-, whew! My brain hurts. I guess there's something that I don't understand about the redirection that's happening |
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| 23:01.58 | eeyore- | pattieja: get it? |
| 23:02.00 | stew | _H_: using --allow-unauthenticated gives you the same results as using the old apt would. it still would check the md5s but wouldn't check the md5s authenticity of the signed Packages file |
| 23:02.04 | pattieja | hmm. |
| 23:02.06 | eeyore- | pattieja: *without* ``, stdout would have been /dev/tty |
| 23:02.06 | pattieja | I think so. |
| 23:02.12 | pattieja | right |
| 23:02.14 | eeyore- | pattieja: but with ``, stdout now goes to the `` |
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| 23:02.16 | pattieja | interesting |
| 23:02.23 | pattieja | right |
| 23:02.30 | eeyore- | pattieja: which is why you can't just 2>/dev/tty 1>/dev/tty because then they would interfere |
| 23:02.33 | _H_ | aha!! that the info i needed stew!! thanks |
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| 23:02.55 | eeyore- | pattieja: like this ... |
| 23:03.08 | eeyore- | pattieja: 1 = `` 2 = stderr, then |
| 23:03.16 | _H_ | now i know i can continue and when the keys for that servers becomes ablaliable i will get they |
| 23:03.20 | _H_ | thank |
| 23:03.22 | SimonRaven | sword-: ask a different question, like what the problem is, and explain it |
| 23:03.31 | eeyore- | pattieja: 2 = 1 == ``, 1 = /dev/tty (appears in terminal) |
| 23:03.34 | SimonRaven | not to me, since i'm leaving very soon |
| 23:03.38 | pattieja | eeyore-, right |
| 23:03.50 | Fubarovic | hm, on aboutdebian.com it's suggested to log into your debian box with username "news" and see how far you can get |
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| 23:03.54 | Fubarovic | i can't even get it :? |
| 23:04.03 | Fubarovic | s/it/in |
| 23:05.08 | pattieja | eeyore-, something else that bothers me is that whiptail can display the 'tag' and the 'item' for that tag in the menu, check box, or radio box or just the tag and the tag is what is output by whiptail. It would be kind of nice if the item were the only thing displayed and the tag was representative of what you were really after (similar to a select box in HTML) |
| 23:05.15 | eeyore- | Fubarovic: not far. news has no valid password on my system |
| 23:05.16 | pattieja | but it doesn't appear to work that way |
| 23:05.27 | Fubarovic | eeyore-, yeah, that's what i thought |
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| 23:05.41 | eeyore- | pattieja: might as well go with slang, then? |
| 23:05.48 | pattieja | what's slang? |
| 23:05.52 | Fubarovic | so not every "user" in /etc/shadow can log into a box, right? |
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| 23:05.57 | eeyore- | pattieja: whiptail is "quick and dirty" shell thing. slang is what's on the back end |
| 23:05.59 | abrotman | pattieja: apt-cache show slang ? |
| 23:06.02 | _oP | WAIT! |
| 23:06.16 | pattieja | pattieja@hardwork:~$ apt-cache show slang |
| 23:06.16 | pattieja | W: Unable to locate package slang |
| 23:06.16 | pattieja | E: No packages found |
| 23:06.18 | _oP | i have something to say! |
| 23:06.20 | abrotman | slang1 |
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| 23:06.38 | abrotman | pattieja: slang1 |
| 23:06.44 | eeyore- | pattieja: slang is a library for "extending application with language" blah blah blah, but it also has .. oh wait, am i thinking of newt? hmmmm.... |
| 23:06.48 | pattieja | abrotman, thanks. found it |
| 23:06.56 | pattieja | eeyore-, probably |
| 23:06.57 | eeyore- | pattieja: try newt (new eric's windowing toolkit or some such) |
| 23:07.08 | _oP | i am drinking a amaretto mandellikoere |
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| 23:07.12 | _oP | :)) |
| 23:07.26 | fbi | no one cares. |
| 23:07.33 | abrotman | really |
| 23:07.40 | _oP | mixed with cola |
| 23:07.40 | fbi | abrotman: get a job! |
| 23:07.48 | abrotman | fbi: i just got home |
| 23:07.53 | fbi | word |
| 23:07.58 | abrotman | i'm tired |
| 23:07.58 | stew | happy friday! |
| 23:08.00 | abrotman | no way! |
| 23:08.07 | stew | way |
| 23:08.10 | fbi | yes! happy f-day! and guess what monday is. |
| 23:08.12 | abrotman | i'm tired |
| 23:08.17 | fbi | halloween! |
| 23:08.19 | eeyore- | i get to shut down all the servers today. whee! wonder how many of them will spin back up. haha. |
| 23:08.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: why? |
| 23:08.40 | eeyore- | abrotman: why shut down? scheduled power outage |
| 23:08.47 | _oP | @Federal Bureau of Investigation damn i cant stop laughing |
| 23:08.54 | abrotman | eeyore-: ah .. ok |
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| 23:09.14 | eeyore- | abrotman: last time we shut down a sun the disk didn't spin back up again. joy. |
| 23:09.25 | eeyore- | no amount of whacking would get it to go again |
| 23:09.39 | eeyore- | maybe i just didn't have a big enough hammer |
| 23:09.43 | stew | eeyore-: always good to see what things you started and said, "oh i'm going to make sure to write an init script for that" |
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| 23:09.57 | eeyore- | stew: that, too! :) |
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| 23:10.00 | fbi | eeyore-: you have to talk dirty to it, and rub lube all over it. |
| 23:10.06 | pattieja | eeyore-, actually, I'll try to work around this one in whiptail by displaying both the tag and the item and just make the tag numeric and the index of a shell array variable and make the item description pretty, except it seems rather difficult to insert spaces into items for whiptail to display |
| 23:10.07 | eeyore- | stew: who knew sshd wouldn't get started automagically |
| 23:10.11 | PerfDave | Mmm, lube :) |
| 23:10.13 | stew | heh |
| 23:10.18 | eeyore- | stew: and what's this about /etc/security? |
| 23:10.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: jump start ? |
| 23:10.31 | stew | never heard of it |
| 23:10.32 | _oP | wt. what ever u say |
| 23:10.39 | _oP | heheh |
| 23:10.53 | abrotman | _oP: are you useful ? |
| 23:11.13 | alecm | Anybody know where to find andy performance numbers for the Linux LVM (i.e. vs. normal partitioning)? Or even a general impression of LVM performance? |
| 23:11.14 | pattieja | eeyore-, I've attempted to us '\ ' where I wanted a space in the output, and whiptail still doesn't like it. Have you used spaces in menu items? |
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| 23:11.38 | pattieja | alecm, bonny? |
| 23:11.45 | abrotman | bonnie++ |
| 23:11.51 | pattieja | abrotman, thanks |
| 23:12.03 | eeyore- | pattieja: actually i tend to avoid whiptail :-> |
| 23:12.09 | pattieja | doh! |
| 23:12.12 | pattieja | ok. thanks |
| 23:12.15 | _oP | damn my little brother just came up |
| 23:12.32 | _oP | to my room and i am totaaly drunk |
| 23:12.37 | _oP | hmm |
| 23:12.39 | fbi | *plonk* |
| 23:12.46 | pattieja | I just thought that it would be a quick and easy way to get a UI interface up and running for a project I'm working on |
| 23:13.00 | abrotman | _oP: really .. go away |
| 23:13.25 | alecm | pattieja: bonny? |
| 23:13.33 | abrotman | alecm: bonnie++ |
| 23:13.35 | abrotman | !bonnie |
| 23:13.36 | dpkg | it has been said that bonnie is a File System Performance Benchmark |
| 23:13.38 | pattieja | alecm, what abrotman said |
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| 23:13.54 | _oP | @abrotman get a life |
| 23:13.59 | _oP | haha |
| 23:13.59 | beardy | *plonk* indeed |
| 23:14.18 | _oP | i am sorry for u |
| 23:14.18 | abrotman | _oP: you're the one giving us a moment-by-moment account of your drunken life ? |
| 23:14.20 | _oP | really |
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| 23:14.30 | alecm | abrotman, pattieja: Thanks. |
| 23:14.30 | abrotman | what a sad wanker |
| 23:14.40 | _oP | true |
| 23:15.09 | eeyore- | _oP: so when are you gonna pass out? |
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| 23:15.14 | danderson | hi |
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| 23:15.24 | Fubarovic | _oP, are you drunk?? |
| 23:15.29 | abrotman | no .. stupid |
| 23:15.33 | _oP | servus = hello in germany |
| 23:15.38 | eeyore- | _oP: so we can go stick a big dildo up to your face and write "i love cocks" all over your face and post it to rotten.com or some such |
| 23:15.39 | _oP | servus |
| 23:15.59 | pattieja | anybody know the shell escape sequence for space? |
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| 23:16.10 | Fubarovic | i wish i was drunk ^_^ |
| 23:16.10 | abrotman | "\ " ? |
| 23:16.12 | pattieja | maybe I'll try double escaping it |
| 23:16.12 | dli | which package for acpi? like batter, power? |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | acpid |
| 23:16.22 | pattieja | abrotman, I already tried that |
| 23:16.24 | streuner | eeyore-: haha |
| 23:16.26 | eeyore- | dli: powered batter? |
| 23:16.38 | danderson | I'm having a problem with a debootstrapped system. I debootstrapped a filesystem for booting into a user mode linux. The user mode linux starts happily, I can log in as root, but then when I run base-config to finalize the install, base-config displays the first screen and immediately returns me to the shell prompt... Does anyone have an idea of what this could be due to? |
| 23:16.57 | streuner | Sa Okt 29 01:16:56 CEST 2005 |
| 23:17.04 | abrotman | not sunday |
| 23:17.06 | dli | eeyore-, battery :) sorry |
| 23:17.08 | lindi- | danderson: hard to say, can you run strace? |
| 23:17.17 | streuner | sure, but late... |
| 23:17.18 | _oP | haha u know dude in stead of u pathetic morons chatting here i can comunicate in two languages even three |
| 23:17.20 | beardy | pattieja: "some thing with spaces" or some\ thing\ with\ spaces |
| 23:17.21 | _oP | hahah |
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| 23:17.31 | danderson | lindi-: just about to. Rebooting the uml to have a network device to install strace via apt :) |
| 23:17.36 | PerfDave | _oP: It's a shame none of them are English :) |
| 23:17.43 | _oP | i am sorry for u really |
| 23:17.57 | streuner | _oP: IRC'ing and drinking isn't a good idea :-) |
| 23:17.58 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 23:18.01 | _oP | but never mind we all a humans so ... |
| 23:18.03 | *** kick/#debian [_oP!i=foobar@p5481C0CE.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso (caphuso) |
| 23:18.03 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@p5497D374.dip.t-dialin.net] by caphuso |
| 23:18.05 | abrotman | caphuso: you read my mind :) |
| 23:18.07 | lindi- | danderson: don't forget it supports hostfs |
| 23:18.07 | pattieja | ahh. I needed to put \" around my $variable dereference when building up the menu tags string |
| 23:18.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 23:18.15 | caphuso | abrotman: actually i read what _oP wrote |
| 23:18.16 | pirate | I have a separate drive volume I just added to my PC... I tried mounting it, it's JFS, but with mount it goes wonky for some reason because the DMA is flakey. If I put into fstab with ro it works perfectly. Is there anyway I can make it rw only tell it not to use DMA at all? I tried some hdparm stuff but it didn't pull through. |
| 23:18.23 | streuner | haha |
| 23:18.23 | caphuso | abrotman: if that's your mind, i pity you ;-) |
| 23:18.25 | abrotman | caphuso: i was just about to !ops :) |
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| 23:18.49 | abrotman | caphuso: yeah .. my mind thinks "like u all are sorry" :) |
| 23:18.59 | eeyore- | abrotman: you're not op yet? after all these years? who did you piss on? |
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| 23:19.02 | abrotman | and then i have to have dpkg tell me about u .. it's sad |
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| 23:19.14 | Analyser | how i do to choose between xfree and xorg ? |
| 23:19.14 | pirate | Whew... that was an essay |
| 23:19.27 | caphuso | Analyser: you don't |
| 23:19.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: don't ask me .. though .. we realized the other day .. i'ave only been around for like 30 months or so .. but the sad thing was the average |
| 23:19.32 | beardy | pirate: Check the kernel docs. /somewhere/linux/Documentation/ |
| 23:19.51 | abrotman | /usr/share/doc ? |
| 23:19.52 | beardy | pirate: You can diable DMA for a drive with a kernel parameter at boot. |
| 23:20.00 | beardy | disable |
| 23:20.17 | pirate | I disabled automatic DMA usage on the kernel by default. |
| 23:20.23 | abrotman | don't you have to explicitly enable dma ? |
| 23:20.25 | pirate | Still wonky =/ |
| 23:20.44 | Analyser | caphuso: why? |
| 23:21.04 | pirate | I believe that's correct... DMA won't work without me asking for it... but for some reason on this drive it wants to use DMA... |
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| 23:21.05 | streuner | Analyser: by installing the 'right' package you choose it then... |
| 23:21.05 | abrotman | Analyser: you run one .. why would you want both ? |
| 23:21.15 | beardy | abrotman: Depends on the drive IIRC. Some are blacklisted, and some works automagically, and some have to be forced. |
| 23:21.23 | abrotman | that's dumb |
| 23:21.28 | abrotman | IMO anyways :) |
| 23:21.32 | streuner | !info xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:21.34 | Analyser | streuner: ok |
| 23:21.39 | dpkg | xserver-xfree86: (transitional package for moving from xfree86 to X.Org), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 170 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 23:21.45 | streuner | !info xserver-xorg |
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| 23:21.53 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 6.8.2.dfsg.1-9 (sid), Packaged size: 5582 kB, Installed size: 15752 kB |
| 23:21.55 | Analyser | abrotman: i wont... in a dist-upgrade de aptitute upgrade automatically to xorg :/ |
| 23:22.02 | abrotman | this is bad ? |
| 23:22.05 | bsims_ | Quick question I always have my usbstick mounted at /sda1 and a SD card at sdc1 can I have the icon for removeable media change depending on mount point? |
| 23:22.13 | streuner | Analyser: do you run sarge? |
| 23:22.22 | Analyser | abrotman: streuner nopz, etch and sid |
| 23:22.25 | beardy | bsims_: icon where? |
| 23:22.29 | streuner | Analyser: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6 | grep 500' say? |
| 23:22.41 | danderson | lindi-: http://code.bulix.org/812?raw for the end of the trace. A friend just hinted about /dev/pts |
| 23:22.42 | Analyser | streuner: a second please |
| 23:22.45 | bsims_ | on the desktop its a bit of Eyecandy from KDE |
| 23:23.03 | beardy | bsims_: In KDE then? |
| 23:23.09 | bsims_ | yeah |
| 23:23.27 | abrotman | bsims_: ask #debian-kde .. they may know |
| 23:23.29 | pattieja | eeyore-, <beg> one more thing </beg> I can't seem to get minus (-) signs in the tag or item. the shell comes back and says - <whatever> is not a known option |
| 23:23.55 | Analyser | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.5-6 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 23:23.58 | Analyser | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.19 | streuner | Analyser: ok, reinstall |
| 23:24.21 | abrotman | Analyser: i'm not sure what the problem is ? |
| 23:24.27 | abrotman | reinstall why ? |
| 23:24.28 | pirate | Any clues, anyone? If I enable DMA and mount /dev/hdb1 /mnt/jfs -t jfs it freezes until the thing realizes it's flakey and then just quits... with no mount. Fstab ony works with ro, but I want rw. |
| 23:24.29 | beardy | pattieja: Put everything inside ' ' 'like this -&foo' |
| 23:24.29 | eeyore- | pattieja: quote it |
| 23:24.31 | stew | bsims_: your other option (which is probably going to get some opposition) is to use udev to unsure that the usbstick is alwasy mounted to /dev/usbstick and the sdcard is always /dev/sdcard regardless of plugging order |
| 23:24.37 | pattieja | but if I escape the - (i.e., "\- <something>") then the output in the menu is literally '\- <something>' |
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| 23:24.45 | eeyore- | pattieja: you *have* to quote anything the shell uses as IFS |
| 23:24.57 | eeyore- | pattieja: too much quoting! :) |
| 23:24.58 | Analyser | its bad... i remember, when it upgrade to xorg, i was asked about use xfree or xorg, i choosed xorg to test it, but i have some unstable issues with xorg and my nvidia card :/ |
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| 23:25.09 | eeyore- | pattieja: either \, or "", never "\\" |
| 23:25.19 | streuner | abrotman: if somebody don't even know what version of debian he's running and runs unstable... |
| 23:25.21 | bsims_ | stew: hrm thats not too bad... got a URL to a howto? I treat udev as a blackbox... |
| 23:25.22 | Analyser | so, i was trying remeber wich is the command to choose between them |
| 23:25.22 | ice_druid | hey all, anybody can help me with an apt-get problem?? |
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| 23:25.33 | abrotman | Analyser: did you reinstall the nvidia drivers ? |
| 23:25.38 | abrotman | ice_druid: just ask |
| 23:25.56 | pattieja | beardy, didn't work |
| 23:26.16 | pattieja | whiptail --title "test" --menu "Test Menu:" 20 75 5 "Menu item 1" '-1 something else' |
| 23:26.28 | pattieja | tells me: - 1 something else: unknown option |
| 23:26.36 | eeyore- | pattieja: oh, i see what you mean ... |
| 23:26.47 | stew | bsims_: /msg dpkg udev ; there is a faq there and also read /usr/share/doc/udev/ ; you are going to have to add rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules to make it do what you want. its probably the better solution but it won't be necessarily just plug and play |
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| 23:26.48 | eeyore- | pattieja: whiptail doesn't like it. well, what can i say? :-) |
| 23:26.57 | ice_druid | kewl.. i tried doing apt-get upgrade using unstable sources on my debian sarge stable system... it froze midway... and now i cleaned and did it agian using stable sources... anyone know how i can find and remove the unstable packages that were installed ? |
| 23:26.59 | pirate | Blehtsuka. Flakey hardware =( |
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| 23:27.10 | Analyser | abrotman: yeap.... later a lots of configuration it worked really fine... but im stressed with the changes in the xorg.conf in updates, so times from times, i need to redo the confs in the xorg.conf... |
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| 23:27.49 | abrotman | Analyser: well .. then i guess you have to go and reinstall to get sarge/xfree back |
| 23:27.54 | eeyore- | pattieja: if you use newt directly, you could do whatever you want |
| 23:27.55 | bsims_ | stew: hrm that handles the mounting the problem is that I don't see how to make KDE destingush between the two removable media |
| 23:28.11 | pattieja | eeyore-, I don't think I have the time. |
| 23:28.19 | pattieja | kind of don't want to take the time, either |
| 23:28.20 | beardy | !hurry |
| 23:28.20 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 23:28.20 | eeyore- | pattieja: then live with limitations |
| 23:28.21 | fbi | ice_druid: reinstall, and man apt-get. hope you have backups. |
| 23:28.29 | stew | bsims_: i don't know jack about kde, but i'd assume that you could assign one icon to /dev/usbkey and one to /dev/sdcard or somehting but you should probably ask #kde |
| 23:28.33 | pattieja | eeyore-, yep |
| 23:28.38 | Analyser | abrotman: doesnt exists xfree in etch ?! |
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| 23:28.50 | ice_druid | fbi: isn't there any other way? i can't re-install... |
| 23:28.55 | abrotman | !info xserver-xfree86 etch |
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| 23:29.22 | abrotman | Analyser: guess not |
| 23:29.27 | fbi | ice_druid: you should think about that next time you attempt to upgrade. i don't even know what kind of damage you did by typing the wrong command. |
| 23:29.33 | Analyser | abrotman: exists a transitional package |
| 23:29.52 | Analyser | debian will leave available in next versions just the xorg.conf? |
| 23:29.57 | ice_druid | oops.. i should be more wary next time... |
| 23:29.58 | EdgEy | ice_druid, you could remove all the unstable packages by hand and install stable... xD |
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| 23:30.08 | abrotman | EdgEy: it will never work |
| 23:30.16 | EdgEy | abrotman, i know :P |
| 23:30.19 | ice_druid | EdgEye: how could i know which is unstable? |
| 23:30.23 | abrotman | so why would you say that? |
| 23:30.32 | abrotman | ice_druid: ignore EdgEy .. he's being untruthful |
| 23:30.34 | fbi | ice_druid: reinstall. man apt-get. |
| 23:30.50 | EdgEy | abrotman, that way, he'd be forced to reinstall probably |
| 23:30.53 | abrotman | Analyser: probably .. xorg with nvidia should work |
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| 23:30.59 | abrotman | EdgEy: he already is |
| 23:31.12 | ice_druid | ouch... thanx guys... |
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| 23:31.15 | fbi | EdgEy: and you felt it necessary to say something totally stupid when he was already told to reinstall? |
| 23:31.22 | EdgEy | fbi, yes |
| 23:31.24 | bsims_ | stew: I can and do do that but then it doesn't dissapear when I unplug it <g> |
| 23:31.28 | Analyser | abrotman: later than a lot of configurations it worked fine |
| 23:31.32 | abrotman | EdgEy: stopb being stupid |
| 23:31.45 | abrotman | Analyser: huh ? .. if it works fine .. keep using it |
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| 23:32.41 | sussudio | abrotman: the proper term is either idiot, imbecile, moron or borderline |
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| 23:33.06 | abrotman | sussudio: is fucktard offlimits now ? |
| 23:33.07 | EdgEy | :( |
| 23:33.12 | abrotman | :) |
| 23:33.16 | radical | hi, how do i get my s-ata plextor writer to work with 2.6.13.4? its not listed in cdrecord -scanbus and i cant find a reference to it in dmesg/syslog. |
| 23:33.16 | sussudio | abrotman: well, those were medical terms. |
| 23:33.18 | EdgEy | :| |
| 23:33.35 | sussudio | abrotman: idiot, imbecile and moron also fall under category "special" |
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| 23:33.36 | abrotman | radical: did you compile your own kernel ? |
| 23:33.42 | treyh0 | EdgEy: it's ok, it's hard to tell when people in #debian are being helpful to users or rude to users, we all try to fit in but sometimes make mistakes :-/ |
| 23:33.43 | Analyser | abrotman: the problem is the conf file, wich always change |
| 23:33.43 | abrotman | sussudio: short bus special! |
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| 23:33.50 | abrotman | Analyser: always change why? |
| 23:33.53 | radical | abrotman: yes, i did |
| 23:33.53 | bsims_ | sussudio: I thought it was moron-$country_name |
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| 23:34.15 | abrotman | radical: try a debian kernel .. you may not have support for it in your custom kernel |
| 23:34.26 | Fubarovic | if i add "non-free" and "contrib" to the deb line in my sources.list, will it break my box? or just add extra packages to the package-repo? |
| 23:34.35 | stew | bsims_: oh, i might have misunderstood the original problem, sorry if im sending you on wild goose chases |
| 23:34.36 | beardy | abrotman: Is it supported in them then? |
| 23:34.37 | treyh0 | Fubarovic: it will add some useful packages :) |
| 23:34.38 | sussudio | bsims_: a moron is someone with an IQ (american IQ test that is) between 50 and 75 |
| 23:34.40 | EdgEy | Fubarovic, just add extras |
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| 23:34.44 | Fubarovic | ah, k |
| 23:34.56 | Fubarovic | changing stable to testing/unstable will probably break stuff |
| 23:35.12 | asuffield | stuff that's in non-free is most likely broken though |
| 23:35.14 | radical | abrotman: i didnt install from it (drive/install iso), i needed to bootstrap my system from an ide disk |
| 23:35.15 | bsims_ | sussudio: I know I know but this /is/ the english language <g> |
| 23:35.18 | Analyser | abrotman: i dont know why, just devs can answer this question :( |
| 23:35.26 | treyh0 | Fubarovic: stay on stable unless you like to "fix" your computer obsessively |
| 23:35.27 | asuffield | since by and large, stuff in non-free cannot be fixed |
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| 23:35.50 | EdgEy | Fubarovic, testing probably won't break stuff... it's just packages that haven't been tested as much as the ones in stable :P |
| 23:35.53 | radical | abrotman: and if the debian kernel supports it, so should my own, im looking for some kind of kernel option i may have missed |
| 23:35.53 | sussudio | bsims_: no, the US version of IQ test is geared towards caucasian people and gives different values to IQ |
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| 23:36.14 | abrotman | beardy: no idea . but usually custom kernels have stuff missing |
| 23:36.17 | Fubarovic | i'm going to use my debian box as a fileserver, so no need for testing/unstable |
| 23:36.24 | EdgEy | Fubarovic, ok :) |
| 23:36.27 | abrotman | raden: you used the same config as a debian kerenl ? |
| 23:37.36 | beardy | abrotman: If he did, what's the point of compiling a custom kernel, one can wonder (I do it when I want a smaller kernel with onyl what I need..) |
| 23:37.37 | cddesjar | hmm..i received upgraded to sid and now i am getting an error that says something regarding an error with evince |
| 23:37.43 | bsims_ | sussudio: Sigh, I was refering to "This is English since when have the masses actually cared what words actually mean"... Irc needs a <sarcasm> tag |
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| 23:38.04 | abrotman | beardy: huh? .. i told him to use a debian kenrel |
| 23:38.33 | abrotman | !kill jack |
| 23:38.37 | EdgEy | sussudio, what is someone with an IQ less than 50 then? |
| 23:38.55 | sussudio | EdgEy:0-25 idiot, 25-50 imbecile |
| 23:39.06 | beardy | abrotman: Yes, I know, I was just thinkin outloud/wondering what the point of compiling a kernel yourself, if you are going to use the debian kernel configuration, when there already are precompiled ones. |
| 23:39.10 | abrotman | sussudio: 0-25 - president |
| 23:39.15 | EdgEy | is that official or random crap you just made up on the spot |
| 23:39.16 | Fubarovic | lol |
| 23:39.18 | EdgEy | abrotman hahah |
| 23:39.30 | Fubarovic | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:39.38 | sussudio | abrotman: no, he's probably borderline (70-79) |
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| 23:39.53 | abrotman | why won't jack save my config! |
| 23:39.59 | fbi | abrotman: i'm reporting that comment to my superiors. |
| 23:40.29 | beardy | fbi: If they don't already know, they should be out of their jobs. |
| 23:40.34 | fbi | haha |
| 23:41.09 | fbi | 20 more minutes of sobriety, and then, many many beers! |
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| 23:41.16 | abrotman | yeungling?!!? |
| 23:41.25 | beardy | !beer fbi |
| 23:41.26 | fbi | nope! black and tans baybee! |
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| 23:41.41 | fbi | hard to find y-l in bars around here |
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| 23:42.09 | sussudio | !bear beardy |
| 23:42.21 | beardy | !smite sussudio |
| 23:43.03 | abrotman | !g4ltsmite beardy |
| 23:43.16 | beardy | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 23:43.27 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 23:43.35 | abrotman | i had a grinder for lunch :) |
| 23:44.15 | beardy | abrotman: grinder? |
| 23:44.17 | cddesjar | abrotman: do you run sid? |
| 23:44.22 | fbi | does the bot use channel notices for those? |
| 23:44.26 | abrotman | azeem: it still won't do it |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | cddesjar: nope |
| 23:44.38 | abrotman | beardy: uhm .. what country are you in ? |
| 23:44.46 | beardy | abrotman: Sweden |
| 23:44.49 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 23:44.55 | sussudio | Svenskä gruskä wit dü teflon un dü birdie birdie un dü børk børk børk |
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| 23:45.06 | tybalt89 | My sarge metacity is not decorating several X11 client apps. Is there a config or setting for this? |
| 23:45.07 | cddesjar | abrotman: hat are you running? |
| 23:45.12 | beardy | abrotman: (I suspect it's some sort of sandwish?) |
| 23:45.13 | abrotman | beardy: take ham & cheese .. put in long roll .. put it on a flat steel grill ... cook a bit |
| 23:45.17 | sussudio | "decorating"? |
| 23:45.22 | abrotman | cddesjar: etch |
| 23:45.31 | tybalt89 | sussudio: title bars and such |
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| 23:45.39 | abrotman | beardy: you can have a grinder with anything .. mine was ham and cheese though |
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| 23:45.56 | beardy | sussudio: Your swedish needs fixing. |
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| 23:46.14 | sussudio | beardy: you missed the reference. |
| 23:46.38 | sussudio | beardy: http://www.worth1000.com/entries/38000/38239xEg1_w.jpg |
| 23:47.01 | beardy | sussudio: No, I got it, (after a few seconds ;) ) |
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| 23:47.12 | cddesjar | is anyone running? |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | soossoodeeu: Yuoor svedeesh needs feexing. |
| 23:47.15 | abrotman | Bork Bork Bork! |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | i love filters |
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| 23:47.27 | sussudio | !bork abrotman |
| 23:47.29 | beardy | abrotman: me too :) |
| 23:47.48 | abrotman | ffs .. wtf is wrong with jack |
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| 23:48.13 | fbi | heh. i put 'grinder' in Google images to find a nice hoagie pic and not one sandwich came up |
| 23:48.15 | fbi | weeeeeeeeeee |
| 23:48.33 | abrotman | fbi: it is in a hoagie roll .. it's just hot |
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| 23:48.40 | fbi | indeed |
| 23:48.54 | stew | or at least lukewarm and soggy |
| 23:48.59 | TGoC|BRB | fbi, federal bureau of idiots :) |
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| 23:49.11 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
| 23:49.19 | netsurf3 | hey can i have some help with net install i have linksys ethernet pcmica card what driver do i need? |
| 23:49.32 | stew | netsurf3: figure out what chipset it has |
| 23:49.32 | abrotman | model of the card is ? |
| 23:49.37 | netsurf3 | hmm |
| 23:49.40 | netsurf3 | will have a look |
| 23:50.01 | beardy | !ur |
| 23:50.01 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 23:50.01 | stew | netsurf3: do you have hotplug and discover installed? |
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| 23:50.12 | netsurf3 | i am trying to do a net install |
| 23:50.41 | abrotman | netcraft_: sarge netinst .. or a daily ? |
| 23:50.46 | netsurf3 | it is a linksys etherfast 10/100 |
| 23:50.47 | PerfDave | Hmm, I have a screen running as user1. If I log in as user2 and su to user1, I can't reattach the screen. Is there any way to do that? |
| 23:51.12 | fbi | PerfDave: i don't think you can, that happened to me the other day |
| 23:51.20 | beardy | PerfDave: screen -DR, or 'man screen' tells you more alternatives |
| 23:51.27 | abrotman | netsurf3: fliip it over . it has a model number |
| 23:51.33 | fbi | -DR won't work, at least it didn't for me |
| 23:51.38 | abrotman | PerfDave: su - ? |
| 23:51.45 | netsurf3 | PCMPC200 |
| 23:51.48 | PerfDave | beardy: Uhm, the screen's detached already. |
| 23:51.48 | fbi | it won't force a detach if you're su to another user |
| 23:51.49 | beardy | PerfDave: Or, hmm, a su in between, I'm not sure then. |
| 23:51.52 | PerfDave | abrotman: Tried that, no luck. |
| 23:52.17 | netsurf3 | abrotman PCMPC200 |
| 23:52.32 | beardy | PerfDave: -DR will detach if it has to, otherwise not, I always use it, since it works (almost) always (perhaps not if su:ed to a user though) |
| 23:52.45 | beardy | have to check myself.. |
| 23:52.53 | abrotman | netsurf3: i saw .. it didn't get autodetected ? |
| 23:52.59 | stew | PerfDave: there is a screen home variable but i can't remember what it is called, but you may wanna try pointing that at the other users ~/.screen |
| 23:52.59 | netsurf3 | nope :( |
| 23:53.10 | abrotman | netsurf3: did you try linux26 also ? |
| 23:53.10 | stew | PerfDave: SCREENDIR |
| 23:53.47 | PerfDave | stew: Yeah, it just tells me I'm not the owner :) |
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| 23:53.50 | netsurf3 | abrotman i am doing a bootfloppy install never done one with debian or any other before |
| 23:53.52 | stew | PerfDave: like SCREENDIR=~screenowner/.screen |
| 23:53.53 | stew | hrm |
| 23:54.01 | abrotman | netsurf3: not the CD ? |
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| 23:54.24 | PerfDave | We need resiak, master of screen! |
| 23:54.28 | netsurf3 | abrotman my cdrom is pcmcia and not bootable |
| 23:54.33 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 23:54.42 | abrotman | netsurf3: which floppy images did you use ? |
| 23:54.51 | lsald | what would you say is more popular, gnome or kde? |
| 23:54.54 | netsurf3 | http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
| 23:55.01 | abrotman | lsald: popcon.debian.org |
| 23:55.07 | stew | PerfDave: i've usually had the opposite problem when SCREENDIR was set, like ssh in su, then I couln't start a *new screen, screen complained that i didn't own .screen until i set SCREENDIR to ~newuser/.screen |
| 23:55.17 | dvs | netsurf3: If you have a spare USB drive around, you can try a USB install |
| 23:55.25 | abrotman | netsurf3: right .. but did you pick the net-drivers.img or the cd-drivers.img ? |
| 23:55.29 | netsurf3 | indeed i ha |
| 23:55.34 | netsurf3 | net drivers |
| 23:55.40 | stew | well i dont' know if that is really opposite |
| 23:55.50 | FlimFlamMan | any idea why i periodically lose numeric keypad input? |
| 23:56.05 | fbi | FlimFlamMan: because you are inadvertently hitting Numlock? |
| 23:56.06 | sussudio | FlimFlamMan: bunnies |
| 23:56.12 | abrotman | netsurf3: google for your card model . find out what driver it uses |
| 23:56.21 | netsurf3 | ok |
| 23:56.56 | stew | netsurf3: sometimes a good search is modelnumber+modprobe to see what driver is being modprobed to get that card working |
| 23:57.03 | FlimFlamMan | suck-tastic. |
| 23:57.32 | abrotman | i do "<modelnumber> debian kernel driver" |
| 23:57.49 | mtnman | netsurf3: you can also look up your card info in the linux hardware howto at tldp.org |
| 23:58.01 | abrotman | i have a fear that the floppies don't have pcmcia support ? |
| 23:58.14 | netsurf3 | no there are some support |
| 23:58.32 | netsurf3 | i know their is support as i have got beatrix to support it |
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| 23:59.20 | netsurf3 | abrotman The Linksys PCMPC200 (cardbus 10/100) uses the tulip_cb driver |
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