| 00:00.17 | Alphix | itamushkin: type modinfo ntfs |
| 00:00.19 | dvs | itamushkin: The ntfs kernel module |
| 00:00.23 | dusk | azeem: hmm, how can I check? |
| 00:00.34 | azeem | dusk: packages.debian.org/libgtk2.0-0 |
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| 00:01.00 | Alphix | itamushkin: and check /proc/filesystems, if its linked into the kernel, it will be listed there |
| 00:01.06 | phretor | how do I change the default browser through alternatives? |
| 00:02.47 | dusk | azeem: ok i think i got it |
| 00:03.14 | thorie_ | hello im using this command tail -f syslog | grep "172.17.5.1" | tee firewall.log, but there is no output even when there should be messages in syslog that contain the string "172.17.5.1" -- any ideas why the text is not being outputted nor written to the text file? |
| 00:03.21 | omry | phretor, update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 00:04.01 | sussudio | thorie_: why are you using quotes? |
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| 00:04.12 | beardy | omry: is there an x-www-browser? |
| 00:04.13 | thorie_ | sussudio: i tried it with and without |
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| 00:04.19 | thorie_ | sussudio: i couldnt get it to work |
| 00:04.29 | Alphix | thorie_: tail -f doesnt terminate |
| 00:04.39 | Kevin` | i've had similar problems with piping tail -f |
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| 00:04.55 | omry | beardy, I got some. |
| 00:04.56 | itamushkin | what do I put in the FStab options for itto be readonly for both user and root? |
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| 00:05.17 | thorie_ | how do i continuously put all text that appears in syslog that has the string 172.17.5.1 into a text file called firewall.log ? |
| 00:05.22 | dusk | oh, whats the line for security for unstable? deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/m main |
| 00:05.25 | itamushkin | I've put "ro,user" but when trying to access is as user I get "permission denied" |
| 00:05.31 | thorie_ | (i don't care if i see it on the screen or not, i don't need to use tee) |
| 00:05.31 | dvs | itamushkin: ntfs is read-only by default |
| 00:05.38 | thorie_ | Alphix: any ideas? |
| 00:05.42 | itamushkin | oh, so I should just leave it empty? |
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| 00:05.59 | beardy | omry: I got none, but I'm not running X on that box. |
| 00:06.13 | dvs | itamushkin: I think you have to put something there. |
| 00:06.13 | xpurple | How can my load be 11 when I have 80% idle cpu time and very little disk access? |
| 00:06.26 | thorie_ | tail -f syslog > firewall.log # will this work?? |
| 00:06.29 | itamushkin | what? |
| 00:06.29 | dvs | xpurple: X |
| 00:06.36 | xpurple | X? |
| 00:06.37 | sussudio | !cluebie dusk |
| 00:06.42 | itamushkin | I want it to be readable by user |
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| 00:06.53 | beardy | Can someone confirm that there is an x-www-browser in the alternatives system? |
| 00:06.57 | dusk | sussudio: ? |
| 00:07.03 | omry | beardy, as soon as you will install firefox, konqueror or any other web browser with apt, it will add x-www-browser to the alternatives. |
| 00:07.03 | xfan | is there a OpenOffice 2.0 mirror for Sarge ? |
| 00:07.03 | azeem | dusk: there is none |
| 00:07.07 | sussudio | !tell dusk about sid faq |
| 00:07.14 | antgel | beardy: sure there is |
| 00:07.20 | beardy | Ok. |
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| 00:07.31 | blueTiffin | thorie_: You may want a shell script that loops calling grep on the file and >> appending output |
| 00:07.34 | sussudio | 15677 root 17 0 16700 16m 1460 R 96.0 13.1 7:13.72 pisg |
| 00:07.52 | dusk | thanks |
| 00:08.42 | thorie_ | blueTiffin: it will keep appending old stuff too, so the file will grow exponentially |
| 00:08.51 | dusk | perfect, just what i needed :) |
| 00:09.01 | xfan | is there a OpenOffice 2.0 Sarge ? |
| 00:09.01 | Kevin` | thorie_ a better way may be to ask for the syslog output you want to go to an fifo or something |
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| 00:09.11 | cdemwell | Hi |
| 00:09.14 | Kevin` | ie syslog.conf |
| 00:09.18 | azeem | xfan: not yet, I think |
| 00:09.33 | azeem | xfan: well, not yet unofficially, I mean |
| 00:09.49 | cdemwell | I'm trying to get a Debian install going but the netinst CD doesn't have drivers for any of the adapters in the system |
| 00:09.56 | xfan | and how about unofficially... i want to tray ! |
| 00:10.16 | cdemwell | I'm positive though that the kernel has drivers for at least one of them, and I have been trying to get it over on a floppy |
| 00:10.26 | azeem | xfan: there won't be official packages, ever |
| 00:10.27 | cdemwell | but it won't mount the floppy! It says "Invalid argument" |
| 00:10.39 | azeem | xfan: and I don't know about unofficial ones, either |
| 00:10.41 | beardy | !www-browser |
| 00:10.41 | dpkg | it has been said that www-browser is To choose/change the default browser (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config www-browser' Also ask me about "x-www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 00:10.43 | xfan | because there isnt a binary package like openoffice 1X |
| 00:10.44 | beardy | !x-www-browser |
| 00:10.44 | dpkg | To choose/change the default browser to be used in X (in the debian alternatives system), run (as root) 'update-alternatives --config x-www-browser' Also ask me about "www-browser" "update-alternatives" and "alternatives". |
| 00:10.45 | cdemwell | I've done installs before but I have never had problems quite like this. Can someone help me out? |
| 00:11.05 | woodland | can i use wget to download yahoo attachments |
| 00:11.06 | antgel | xfan: if you googled you would know about http://openoffice.debian.net |
| 00:11.37 | xfan | this site only have OpenOffice beta-2 |
| 00:11.53 | thorie_ | any ideas? |
| 00:11.56 | thorie_ | can someone help me? |
| 00:12.07 | cdemwell | thorie_, I haven't seen your complaint yet |
| 00:12.11 | antgel | xfan: what features do you need that aren't in the beta? |
| 00:12.25 | azeem | cdemwell: #debian-boot, perhaps |
| 00:12.25 | xfan | i dont know |
| 00:12.33 | xfan | more stability ? |
| 00:12.34 | thorie_ | how do i put all syslog (future) lines that contain "XYZ" into a separate file called mylog.txt ? |
| 00:12.36 | cdemwell | azeem: I'll try there, thank you |
| 00:12.37 | azeem | cdemwell: but you need to be more specific with your hardware there |
| 00:12.45 | xfan | i prefer the stable |
| 00:12.45 | cdemwell | azeem, no problem at all |
| 00:12.58 | thorie_ | i tried: tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep XYZ > /var/log/mylog.txt |
| 00:13.03 | cdemwell | but if I could get the floppy to mount I'd be set |
| 00:13.03 | antgel | xfan: if you don't even need it, why do you care? perhaps you would be better off with a bleeding-edge distro (puke) |
| 00:13.10 | thorie_ | but that didn't work at all, the file was always empty, even with lines with XYZ appearing in syslog |
| 00:13.10 | cdemwell | I can just insmod sk98lin.ko |
| 00:13.24 | antgel | xfan: if you want stable, use the version in stable :) |
| 00:13.29 | cdemwell | thorie_: I have no idea, sorry |
| 00:13.33 | azeem | antgel: well, there's been a shitload of hype around OOo2, so I can understand the demand somewhat |
| 00:13.33 | xfan | :) |
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| 00:13.40 | cdemwell | there must be a config file for syslog though |
| 00:13.53 | xfan | openoffice 2.0 is now the stable relace |
| 00:13.54 | beardy | cdemwell: /etc/syslog.conf |
| 00:13.57 | antgel | azeem: i am the anti-hype. :) |
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| 00:14.10 | cdemwell | beardy: That's for thorie_, not me |
| 00:14.14 | antgel | xfan: i mean debian stable |
| 00:14.26 | azeem | xfan: monitor the openoffice.debian.net site for 2.0 sarge backports |
| 00:14.29 | beardy | thorie_: If it's not important that the logs go to the file directly, you can do a grep on it once a day, with cron. |
| 00:14.32 | blueTiffin | thorie_: grep 172.<subnet> syslog >> firewall.txt check file size if it gets too big mv it to fwarchive/ subdir |
| 00:14.36 | xfan | openoffice 1.1.3 is the debian-stable |
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| 00:15.07 | antgel | xfan: or do what some people on d-u have been doing. download the .rpms and use alien to install (major puke) |
| 00:15.34 | abrotman | antgel: sw raid sucks! |
| 00:15.36 | xfan | thats a good idea |
| 00:16.00 | antgel | xfan: yeah, but if it works for you, what's the problem? debian stable doesn't provide latest version of applications |
| 00:16.09 | cdemwell | abrotman: Yes, but cheap-ass BIOS raid isn't really any better, and if you need, say, mirroring sw raid isn't a bad idea |
| 00:16.13 | cdemwell | (if you have no budget) |
| 00:16.13 | xfan | i now |
| 00:16.16 | antgel | abrotman: you suck! |
| 00:16.18 | xfan | i know |
| 00:16.24 | abrotman | cdemwell: real hardware raid is the way to go |
| 00:16.24 | beardy | cdemwell: That's for you, too. |
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| 00:16.39 | cdemwell | beardy: An excellent point, I sit informed |
| 00:16.50 | cdemwell | unfortunately NOT about the problem I am actually having though :( |
| 00:16.53 | Servo888 | Crap... I justed deleted my .config file for my kernel, is there any way to rebuilt it? From like a built image or something? |
| 00:16.55 | antgel | abrotman: do my customers look like they're made of money? and what happens when the controller goes tits-up? |
| 00:17.07 | cdemwell | Servo888: Maybe try cat /proc/config |
| 00:17.09 | abrotman | you .. buy another controller ? :) |
| 00:17.13 | cdemwell | or zcat /proc/config.gz |
| 00:17.20 | Servo888 | cdemwell, ah there we go =-) |
| 00:17.21 | Maurice | Salut, il y aurait des francais par hazard ? |
| 00:17.21 | antgel | Servo888: look in /boot/config-* |
| 00:17.29 | antgel | !tell Maurice about fr |
| 00:17.30 | beardy | Servo888: /boot/kernelversionorname.config |
| 00:17.32 | sussudio | @blaireau Maurice |
| 00:17.32 | ravenbird | Maurice: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 00:17.33 | abrotman | antgel: did you figure out what actually happened? |
| 00:17.44 | dusk | hey, i have an ultra noob queestion.. i have an AMD barton 2500+, is that a 686 or k7? |
| 00:17.45 | Maurice | thx :) |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | dusk: k7 |
| 00:17.58 | pipeline | dusk: both |
| 00:18.03 | xfan | k7 and 686 ? |
| 00:18.04 | Servo888 | beardy, I don't store my configs in the /boot/ directory. |
| 00:18.04 | abrotman | k7! |
| 00:18.08 | dusk | yea pipe i figured |
| 00:18.11 | beardy | Servo888: Sorry, /boot/config-2.x.xandsoon |
| 00:18.11 | dusk | which kernel should I get? |
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| 00:18.26 | dusk | 2.6.12-686 or -k7 |
| 00:18.27 | antgel | abrotman: no, i reinstalled, crossed my fingers and hoped the problem would magically vanish. i find that to be the most scientific approach |
| 00:18.28 | abrotman | dusk: k7 |
| 00:18.29 | beardy | Servo888: Then you should ask dpkg about kp |
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| 00:18.56 | antgel | Servo888: you would if you built your kernel The Debian Way |
| 00:19.03 | beardy | Servo888: make oldconfig may work. |
| 00:19.47 | antgel | i hate all the (k)ubuntu advocates. they remind me of mac users in their fandom |
| 00:20.02 | cdemwell | antgel: easy now, no need for hate |
| 00:20.05 | deadcat | antgel: tell me your plan |
| 00:20.15 | cdemwell | I think it's an awesome way to convince low-knowledge people to abandon MS |
| 00:20.26 | dusk | im a gamer |
| 00:20.26 | xpurple | How do I kill a zombie process? |
| 00:20.30 | dusk | i cant leave ms :( |
| 00:20.34 | antgel | cdemwell: that's _exactly_ the kind of left-wing crap they say :) |
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| 00:21.00 | abrotman | cdemwell: why .. just leave them where they are .. if they can't figure out linux .. don't force them into it |
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| 00:21.05 | asuffield | dusk: dude, buy a playstation |
| 00:21.05 | abrotman | !zombie |
| 00:21.06 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 00:21.13 | omry | xpurple, you kill the parent process. if its init you are screwed. |
| 00:21.16 | antgel | deadcat: have a glass of water, irc a bit, research laptop, go to bed |
| 00:21.31 | cdemwell | abrotman: Because I am tired of getting .doc attachments |
| 00:21.38 | antgel | cdemwell: although hate is a strong word, i merely meant to express annoyance :) |
| 00:21.42 | cdemwell | antgel: I'm sorry, I don't see how that's left-wing |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | cdemwell: so .. reject them ? |
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| 00:21.49 | luci0 | the difference in compiling kernel and installing the package, difference of stability? |
| 00:21.54 | abrotman | cdemwell: that's your fault .. not thiers ... |
| 00:21.57 | cdemwell | abrotman: turns out I want the information |
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| 00:22.02 | cdemwell | anyhow, whatever |
| 00:22.10 | cdemwell | as antgel says, hate is kinda strong |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | cdemwell: reject .. ask for it in RDF format |
| 00:22.15 | xpurple | Hmm, keventd is a zombie. |
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| 00:22.32 | serfurj | what's the best way to install a single package (with dependencies) from "testing" if you're using "stable"? |
| 00:22.32 | beardy | xpurple: That sounds less good. |
| 00:22.35 | asuffield | luci0: if you compile a kernel.org kernel then yes, it's significantly less stable. if you compile the kernel-source package then there is no difference |
| 00:22.40 | antgel | luci0: if you have to ask, possibly a large difference :) |
| 00:22.44 | dondelelcaro | serfurj: get a backport of the package. |
| 00:22.49 | xpurple | beardy: why? |
| 00:22.58 | antgel | asuffield: eh? |
| 00:22.59 | serfurj | dondelelcaro: it's not available |
| 00:23.02 | beardy | xpurple: Because it sounds important :) |
| 00:23.12 | xpurple | beardy: It's probably some kde stuff. |
| 00:23.16 | abrotman | kernel event daemon ? .. |
| 00:23.19 | serfurj | the package is tulip |
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| 00:23.34 | cdemwell | abrotman: I do that, and wish I didn't have to. People think I'm a pain for asking |
| 00:23.45 | cdemwell | It's just me and the (oh the irony) mac people against the others :) |
| 00:23.49 | abrotman | cdemwell: i bitch and moan at my bosses to have stuff in CSV |
| 00:23.52 | beardy | xpurple: Perhaps, I thought k as in kernel when I saw it, I donät know what it is. If nothing seems strange, ignore it. |
| 00:24.45 | xpurple | A load of 12 and 80% cpu idle. |
| 00:24.47 | antgel | cdemwell: in .uk every mac user isn't complete without microsoft office in a really stupid plastic box that makes them think they have bought a "lifestyle" |
| 00:25.26 | beardy | xpurple: Depends on if you think that is strange then. I do. |
| 00:25.38 | xpurple | beardy: I do too. |
| 00:25.38 | luci0 | asuffield |if you compile a kernel.org kernel then yes, it's significantly less stable. if you compile the kernel-source package then there is no difference? |
| 00:25.45 | xpurple | Ahahah |
| 00:25.52 | luci0 | lol |
| 00:26.03 | luci0 | does not have performance difference enters one kernel compiled in PC and one kernel of package? |
| 00:26.10 | xpurple | keventd is a kernel thread associated with the task queues. |
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| 00:26.13 | antgel | luci0: why are you compiling a kernel? don't believe the hype |
| 00:26.20 | abrotman | luci0: you want to know if a self-compiled kernel performs better? |
| 00:26.21 | xpurple | That's bad. |
| 00:26.27 | luci0 | yes |
| 00:26.29 | luci0 | abrotman |
| 00:26.32 | luci0 | performance |
| 00:26.34 | asuffield | luci0: not if you install the right package, no |
| 00:26.39 | abrotman | luci0: .04353453 % |
| 00:26.45 | luci0 | lol |
| 00:27.02 | beardy | /msg dpkg lol |
| 00:27.03 | abrotman | luci0: it won't be noticable .. and is not worth the effort if that's all you're after |
| 00:27.07 | antgel | abrotman: you need to give an accurate answer so he can decide |
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| 00:27.17 | abrotman | antgel: i did .. .04353453 % |
| 00:27.31 | luci0 | abrotman i compile for my processor specify |
| 00:27.47 | antgel | abrotman: you missed my sarcasm. the joke is now unfunny. |
| 00:27.48 | abrotman | luci0: don't bother .. |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | antgel: i got it .. i'm not funny |
| 00:28.03 | abrotman | luci0: what cpu do you have ? |
| 00:28.08 | antgel | abrotman: *nod* i forgot |
| 00:28.17 | luci0 | pentium 233 mmx |
| 00:28.24 | abrotman | antgel: i'm american .. our sense of humor sucks .. we think our president is funny |
| 00:28.26 | antgel | !pal luci0 |
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| 00:28.45 | abrotman | antgel: hey .. we were all there once .. 8 years ago |
| 00:29.03 | antgel | luci0: you need to squeeze all the performance out of that beast. i suggest you write your own kernel from scratch :P |
| 00:29.09 | beardy | I have a 233MHz running nicely here. |
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| 00:29.12 | cdemwell | abrotman: It's funny, I guessed you were american. I'm not sure why. |
| 00:29.21 | beardy | With MMX!! |
| 00:29.21 | antgel | cdemwell: it's his accent |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | beardy: i have a few in my office running fringe services |
| 00:29.26 | cdemwell | antgel: That's IT! |
| 00:29.30 | abrotman | cdemwell: because i'm ugly? |
| 00:29.38 | cdemwell | beardy: You can totally play Quake on that |
| 00:29.41 | antgel | abrotman: that's IT! |
| 00:29.42 | cdemwell | abrotman: Hell no |
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| 00:29.45 | mrec | does anyone know how I can display the video of xine on another Xserver? (but I want to keep the UI on the original host) |
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| 00:29.57 | cdemwell | I kinda like your font actually, in a totally not-gay way |
| 00:30.02 | beardy | cdemwell: Of course, the MMX can accomplish anything. ;) |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:30.07 | luci0 | beardy i fell the pc this much stability |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | wait .. is that P1 233 MMX ? |
| 00:30.22 | abrotman | ewwww |
| 00:30.22 | cdemwell | beardy: If you team that puppy up with windows 95, "Anything you want to do, and more, is now possible" |
| 00:30.35 | beardy | cdemwell: yuck |
| 00:30.38 | antgel | luci0: you need to recompile your command of english :P |
| 00:30.48 | antgel | cdemwell: *grin* |
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| 00:31.30 | luci0 | ok |
| 00:31.32 | mrec | really wonder about that almost everything that is big is doable with linux but it fails at all the small graphical things which are important for endusers :( |
| 00:31.34 | beardy | It doesn't have anything besides a network cable and a keyboard connected to it, so it has to be some textmode quake. |
| 00:31.40 | antgel | my oldest debian box is a pentium 133. customer firewall. uptime 190-ish days. never had a problem in 5 years |
| 00:31.44 | cdemwell | beardy: aalib, mang |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | i have a 486! |
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| 00:32.00 | cdemwell | abrotman: don't we all? |
| 00:32.00 | abrotman | running sarge |
| 00:32.04 | antgel | abrotman: i have a zx spectrum and a commodore 64 |
| 00:32.06 | abrotman | cdemwell: yes .. but it still works .. and well |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | antgel: running sarge? |
| 00:32.15 | beardy | abrotman: I have one, but not with me at the moment, running fine with woody. |
| 00:32.29 | antgel | abrotman: no, gentoo |
| 00:32.32 | cdemwell | abrotman: Once I ran a 486 on Debian, doing DHCP for an company of 100 |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | no .. i upgraded it to sarge .. purely for the abuse factor :) |
| 00:32.38 | luci0 | later that I compiled kernel for my processor mmx I felt a performance profit |
| 00:32.44 | abrotman | it was my ppp router |
| 00:32.48 | mfrisch | Anybody grok Cups? I have it half-working..It auto sets up the printers on clients, but now I can not access the Cups webpage, It lets me log on to Manage jobs but not to change/add printers...What did I break?? |
| 00:32.50 | beardy | abrotman: How much ram? I have 8 in mine :) |
| 00:32.55 | cdemwell | mfrisch: CUPS is not grokkable |
| 00:32.58 | abrotman | beardy: 36MB!!!! |
| 00:33.08 | cdemwell | it's completely gross, but better than anything else most of the time. I hate Linux printing |
| 00:33.09 | abrotman | beardy: and a beautiful CirrusLogic vid card :) |
| 00:33.11 | antgel | mfrisch: you need admin access. check the config file |
| 00:33.19 | Kevin` | mine has 8mb too.. yay :/ |
| 00:33.26 | cdemwell | mfrisch: Are you working from the local machine? |
| 00:33.35 | cdemwell | That is, are you using http://localhost:631 ? |
| 00:33.42 | mfrisch | cdemwell yes |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | i'm a dirty man |
| 00:33.45 | cdemwell | hm |
| 00:33.45 | beardy | abrotman: That's what's in mine too, 512kb video ram I think :) |
| 00:33.48 | alain__ | i am afraid of installing debian netinstall how check dhcp will be working ? |
| 00:33.55 | cdemwell | abrotman: Try restarting your browser so that it forgets your login |
| 00:33.59 | abrotman | beardy: i don't remember if mine is 256 or 512 |
| 00:34.00 | cdemwell | then log in as root |
| 00:34.01 | beardy | abrotman: And some ESS soundcard. |
| 00:34.03 | antgel | alain__: just try it |
| 00:34.09 | cdemwell | not log in log in, but login to the CUPS page as root |
| 00:34.11 | mfrisch | antgel where... |
| 00:34.20 | abrotman | beardy: it's acer .. sb crap compatible thing |
| 00:34.24 | cdemwell | maybe you just logged in as an unprivileged user by accident |
| 00:34.32 | beardy | abrotman: (I'm not sure though, mine may be 256kb too) |
| 00:34.49 | mfrisch | antgel I can have two access lines for intranet and loopback right? |
| 00:34.50 | cdemwell | a better solution is to edit /etc/cups/cupsys.conf or whatever it's called |
| 00:34.59 | alain__ | wih expert26 ? cheatcode ? |
| 00:35.10 | abrotman | beardy: if you want .. i can turn it on :) |
| 00:35.12 | cdemwell | It's probably /etc/cupsys/cupsd.conf or something close to that, actually |
| 00:35.16 | cdemwell | but first things first |
| 00:35.23 | beardy | abrotman: It can run dosemu, and I can play Prince Of Persia, with sound on it, while running some (not too many) other things at the same time :) |
| 00:35.32 | cdemwell | abrotman: NO, you'll cause another blackout!! |
| 00:35.40 | abrotman | beardy: the monitor that came with it .. supported 1024x768 ... but interlaced .. eww .. interlaced!!!!!!! |
| 00:35.55 | antgel | alain__: why? just use linux26 |
| 00:35.58 | cdemwell | abrotman: Causes seizures in some |
| 00:36.07 | abrotman | causes vomiting in others :) |
| 00:36.09 | alain__ | ok thanks antgel |
| 00:36.10 | karsten | What's the Debian Way[tm] to reconfigure exim4? |
| 00:36.11 | cdemwell | haha |
| 00:36.19 | cdemwell | karsten: dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 00:36.20 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? |
| 00:36.23 | cdemwell | ^ |
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| 00:36.25 | beardy | abrotman: It's a Compaq, one of those with the box and monitor put together.. 14 inch monitor, but only 12 inch visible, crap monitor :) |
| 00:36.26 | cdemwell | listen to him, not me |
| 00:36.27 | antgel | karsten: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:36.32 | cdemwell | or him/her |
| 00:36.42 | antgel | it's neither one nor t'other |
| 00:36.43 | abrotman | beardy: dear lord .. that is a piece of shit .. send it to toresbe .. he'll use it |
| 00:36.58 | karsten | antgel: cdemwell: well, I tried that but it didn't do much. |
| 00:37.04 | abrotman | karsten: mine! |
| 00:37.09 | abrotman | mine |
| 00:37.13 | cdemwell | karsten: What do you want it to do, make you coffee? |
| 00:37.19 | sussudio | compaq? |
| 00:37.23 | beardy | abrotman: Well, it is, but I have had lot's of fun with it, so I kind of like it anyway, of nostalgic reasons anyway :) |
| 00:37.23 | antgel | mfrisch: didi you restart cups? make sure you give access in the right place. the file is confusing |
| 00:37.28 | abrotman | sussudio: they used to be a computer company |
| 00:37.28 | karsten | ... nor did force. |
| 00:37.34 | sussudio | !compaq |
| 00:37.34 | dpkg | hmm... compaq is a bunch of evil bastards that ship machines with twisted and perverted BIOSes and NO fscking IDE controllers. now owned by hp |
| 00:37.35 | abrotman | karsten: -plow ? |
| 00:37.44 | karsten | abrotman: ... hrm. |
| 00:37.54 | dli | how to get the one time boot order menu for Tyan 2466 mobo |
| 00:37.57 | karsten | abrotman: Nope. |
| 00:37.58 | abrotman | !plow karsten |
| 00:38.04 | abrotman | sussudio: eek! |
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| 00:38.26 | beardy | That factoid is true, I still don't understand where the actual bios is in it.. |
| 00:38.26 | cdemwell | dli: I dunno |
| 00:38.29 | alain__ | is it possible to ask for mimimun packages install (just a small hd ) |
| 00:38.43 | karsten | What I'd like is to specify direct delivery rather than through our broken Exchange um, "smart" host. |
| 00:38.43 | antgel | we have some old compaq pcs with those riser cards. so funny that they used to make their own crap hardware |
| 00:39.02 | dli | cdemwell, :) |
| 00:39.19 | cdemwell | I'm working on installing to a Tyan right now |
| 00:39.20 | cdemwell | it's hell |
| 00:39.22 | mfrisch | antgel I have and it has the printers I want it just won't let me modify, I have changed some things so it broadcasts on my intranet, can I paste in #paste ? I donot want to move on until I could add another printer. |
| 00:39.57 | alain__ | debian netinst-i386.iso on about 600 MO ? |
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| 00:40.48 | antgel | !tell mfrisch about paster |
| 00:41.01 | cdemwell | woot, got the ISO |
| 00:41.05 | cdemwell | burn, baby, burn |
| 00:41.13 | Tortel | >:) |
| 00:41.14 | antgel | alain__: have you read the install guide? |
| 00:41.22 | alain__ | yes ,,, |
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| 00:42.00 | mfrisch | antgel I think I messed up something else...I put in localhost:631 and upto when I modify the printer it stays there.. then it wants to connect to my intranet ip. |
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| 00:42.19 | alain__ | dont wory antgel i will try soon |
| 00:42.20 | antgel | mfrisch: i don't know what an intranet ip is |
| 00:42.20 | cdemwell | ahhh |
| 00:42.36 | antgel | alain__: one thing i am _not_ is worried :) |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | antgel: yes you do |
| 00:42.40 | mfrisch | antgel 192.168.1.1 my router |
| 00:42.43 | cdemwell | mfrisch: Make sure that cups is configured to accept connections from your intranet IP |
| 00:42.52 | cdemwell | admin connections, I mean |
| 00:43.02 | cdemwell | I think you have to edit the file for that |
| 00:43.09 | karsten | mfrisch: There's an access conf for cups specific to that. |
| 00:43.10 | alain__ | by default is it grub or lilo ? |
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| 00:43.25 | cdemwell | alain__: I think lilo |
| 00:43.28 | cdemwell | but I like grub a lot |
| 00:43.29 | karsten | abrotman: Any further suggestions WRT exim4? |
| 00:43.30 | beardy | alain__: Your choice. But go with grub if you can. |
| 00:43.31 | alain__ | ok |
| 00:43.32 | antgel | alain__: grub |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | karsten: use postfix? :) |
| 00:43.47 | mfrisch | karsten other than /etc/cups/cups.conf ? |
| 00:43.48 | cdemwell | grub could boot off of a pair of dirty socks, it's so flexible |
| 00:43.57 | cdemwell | on the other hand, you cannot make it boot off a floppy image file :( |
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| 00:44.04 | antgel | mfrisch: it's in that file (cups_d_.conf) |
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| 00:44.20 | abrotman | karsten: dpkg -l | grep exim .. find the right one .. use -plow on all! |
| 00:44.22 | alain__ | i know a little bit because i succeed knoppix on live cd and install |
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| 00:44.35 | mfrisch | antgel OK ;-) |
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| 00:44.51 | beardy | alain__: I hope that's not what you're running now. |
| 00:45.05 | alain__ | that is why i decides to do debian netinstall |
| 00:45.19 | beardy | alain__: Ah. |
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| 00:45.34 | CHainsaw_MAster | do you know any texteditor that can edit word files and let me choose theencoding? |
| 00:45.47 | antgel | karsten: are you running sarge? |
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| 00:46.12 | alain__ | why beardy u don't like knoppix ? |
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| 00:46.17 | beardy | CHainsaw_MAster: "word files" as in .doc files? |
| 00:46.29 | karsten | antgel: yes. |
| 00:46.59 | antgel | karsten: weird. you get no debconf screens at all? |
| 00:47.03 | beardy | alain__: Yes. It works great at what it's supposed to do. But I don't like hd installations of knoppix. |
| 00:47.18 | CHainsaw_MAster | beardy, positive |
| 00:47.18 | alain__ | ok i understand |
| 00:47.19 | karsten | CHainsaw_MAster: 'lesspipe' will autocovenvert .doc to text, it's a plugin for less. It's running one of the several word => text converters in the background. |
| 00:47.22 | karsten | antgel: None. |
| 00:47.35 | CHainsaw_MAster | errr... "less" is nogood |
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| 00:47.57 | CHainsaw_MAster | Myr console can't comprehand the desired charset |
| 00:48.02 | victor_ | looking glass is for debian or ubuntu????? |
| 00:48.12 | sussudio | !aolify victor_ |
| 00:48.15 | antgel | karsten: i have always found debconf to be rather cryptic when things go wrong. would you settle for _changin_ to another smarthost? |
| 00:48.21 | karsten | abrotman: Doh! exim4-config |
| 00:48.27 | karsten | dpkg listkeys *exim* |
| 00:48.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of '*exim*' by key (15 of 16): be exim barbie ;; configure exim ;; exim ;; exim "failed to open db file" ;; exim maildir ;; exim+fetchmail ;; exim+spamassassin ;; exim4 ;; exim4 backports ;; exim4 smtpauth ;; exim_vhost ;; eximon ;; hackasaurusreximus ;; sa-exim ;; why exim4. |
| 00:48.37 | mfrisch | antgel karsten GOT it THANKS |
| 00:48.38 | karsten | dpkg listkeys *exim4* |
| 00:48.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of '*exim4*' by key (4): exim4 backports ;; exim4 ;; exim4 smtpauth ;; why exim4. |
| 00:48.45 | alain__ | i did apt-get update and apt-get -f install in knoppix it works |
| 00:48.56 | abrotman | karsten: god damn you .. i told you that 20 minutes ago |
| 00:48.57 | karsten | dpkg: exim4 reconfigure is dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 00:48.57 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 00:49.08 | victor_ | what's pakage |
| 00:49.15 | CHainsaw_MAster | is there anyway to make open office let me choose the file's encoding arbitrarily? [same question goes for abiword] |
| 00:49.23 | karsten | abrotman: Indeed you did. I wasn't readign w/ comprehension. |
| 00:49.39 | abrotman | karsten: or reading |
| 00:49.48 | karsten | CHainsaw_MAster: Not AFAIK. |
| 00:49.52 | karsten | abrotman: ..or typing ;-) |
| 00:50.00 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
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| 00:50.37 | alain__ | well see u all soon ,,, with debian running ,, |
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| 00:51.37 | abrotman | let's place bets! |
| 00:51.44 | karsten | abrotman: Too many fires in the iron. |
| 00:52.00 | abrotman | karsten: you're bad at this typing thing |
| 00:52.00 | luci0 | i compile kernel for my processor technology mmx i dont go have much performance |
| 00:52.03 | luci0 | ? |
| 00:52.26 | cdemwell | uh |
| 00:52.37 | cdemwell | luci0: What language do you prefer? |
| 00:52.37 | CHainsaw_MAster | so, if I have a file saved in an encoding which is not the default, what can I do to read it? |
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| 00:53.10 | joey_ | You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com |
| 00:53.12 | joey_ | what pack name for apt-get to install that |
| 00:53.44 | abrotman | luci0: don't |
| 00:53.53 | cdemwell | joey_: Do you know about apt-cache? |
| 00:53.53 | abrotman | luci0: use the kernel that debian installs |
| 00:53.57 | abrotman | !br |
| 00:53.57 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 00:54.00 | antgel | !topicsmite joey_ |
| 00:54.01 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon joey_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:54.01 | xfan | there isnt a JAVA package |
| 00:54.04 | cdemwell | apt-cache search foobar-package-name |
| 00:54.13 | abrotman | !tell joey_ about install java |
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| 00:54.36 | xfan | !tell xfan about install java |
| 00:54.37 | luci0 | abrotman the how go using tecnology mmx ? |
| 00:54.49 | abrotman | luci0: use the kernel that debian installs |
| 00:55.14 | Tortel | 2.4 is a good kernel |
| 00:55.36 | Tortel | i like 2.6 better tho |
| 00:55.48 | Tortel | cause of the CD drive management |
| 00:55.53 | karsten | OK, that's finally sorted. |
| 00:56.39 | luci0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:56.50 | karsten | luci0: English? |
| 00:57.02 | cdemwell | sweet lord, you all saw we tried |
| 00:57.04 | luci0 | karsten no |
| 00:57.10 | karsten | !tell luci0 about debian-br |
| 00:57.23 | luci0 | karsten no |
| 00:57.29 | cdemwell | luci0: Francais? |
| 00:57.31 | Tortel | luci0: What language do you speak then? |
| 00:57.42 | luci0 | lenguage ete |
| 00:57.50 | cdemwell | ete? |
| 00:57.55 | luci0 | yes |
| 00:57.59 | luci0 | india |
| 00:58.03 | cdemwell | OH |
| 00:58.05 | Tortel | Aah |
| 00:58.09 | Tortel | Ok, that may help |
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| 00:58.21 | cdemwell | Do we have any channels for indian languages? |
| 00:58.30 | xfan | !tell me how to get more girls |
| 00:58.31 | luci0 | cdemwell no |
| 00:58.39 | karsten | cdemwell: dpkg india isn't particularly helpful. |
| 00:58.50 | deadcat | xfan: go to a bar and dont bring your laptop |
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| 00:59.04 | xfan | ok, xD |
| 00:59.15 | d03boy | does anyone know of an xmms ssh remote control? |
| 00:59.16 | luci0 | my English of the one to understand? |
| 00:59.16 | cdemwell | damn |
| 00:59.23 | cdemwell | okay, luci0, we will try |
| 00:59.27 | deadcat | xfan: i cant guarantee you will pick up any since you are asking how to get girls here. |
| 00:59.30 | cdemwell | well, *I* will try |
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| 00:59.37 | karsten | luci0: Your english is difficult to understand. You're looking for a kernel with MMX support? |
| 00:59.41 | cdemwell | xfan: Lift weights so they are lighter? |
| 00:59.42 | luci0 | cdemwell thank |
| 00:59.52 | xfan | yeah |
| 00:59.53 | karsten | luci0: ... IIRC that's one of the Pentium-1 kernels. |
| 00:59.59 | cdemwell | karsten: I think that's it |
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| 01:00.36 | luci0 | I want to know if kernel in package is compiled with technology mmx? |
| 01:00.44 | Tortel | MMX is the 64 bit? |
| 01:01.05 | luci0 | lol |
| 01:01.06 | karsten | Tortel: No, it was P1, prior to PPro. |
| 01:01.11 | karsten | Tortel: ... really old shit. |
| 01:01.16 | Tortel | lol |
| 01:01.19 | Tortel | ok.. |
| 01:01.40 | cdemwell | luci0: No |
| 01:01.56 | cdemwell | The stock kernel that comes with the installer is i386 |
| 01:01.58 | cdemwell | so no MMX |
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| 01:02.13 | luci0 | then if I to compile kernel I will have I earn of performance? |
| 01:02.18 | karsten | luci0: You'll want a 586 kernel image. The 2.6 series stock kernels aren't optimized for MMX, just i386. Use that, or a kernel-image-2.4-586tsc - Linux kernel image for version 2.4 on Pentium-Classic |
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| 01:02.32 | luci0 | ok |
| 01:02.34 | karsten | luci0: ... "earn of performance" doesn't make sense. |
| 01:02.39 | luci0 | thank |
| 01:02.53 | karsten | luci0: ... you can build your own kernel from 2.6 sources w/ MMX support. |
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| 01:03.07 | cdemwell | luci0: maybe some |
| 01:03.18 | luci0 | thanks all |
| 01:03.18 | sussudio | goddamned. |
| 01:03.19 | karsten | !tell luci0 about kp |
| 01:03.26 | sussudio | !kill alanis CRAPfestette |
| 01:03.26 | karsten | !sussudio |
| 01:03.27 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, karsten! |
| 01:03.44 | joey_ | You need to upgrade to JRE 1.4.x or newer from http://www.java.com |
| 01:03.54 | joey_ | i need that to install limewire |
| 01:04.06 | antgel | joey_: we fucking told you already |
| 01:04.09 | joey_ | what apt-get install do i need to get |
| 01:04.16 | joey_ | i was away i;m back now |
| 01:04.18 | joey_ | sorry |
| 01:04.20 | TheEggMan | When a DNS server has been down for six hours, and a new zone is put online - will it take 24hours (or more) to go into effect? |
| 01:04.25 | Tortel | !tell joey_ about java-install |
| 01:04.28 | joey_ | my buffer got cleared |
| 01:04.36 | Tortel | oops |
| 01:04.38 | cdemwell | joey_: It is bad manners to ask us to spend time on you, and then be unreceptive |
| 01:04.41 | cdemwell | sucks, doesn't it? |
| 01:04.43 | Tortel | !tell joey_ about install-java |
| 01:04.55 | Tortel | !tell joey_ about installjava |
| 01:04.58 | Tortel | !tell joey_ about install java |
| 01:05.00 | Tortel | there! |
| 01:05.02 | Tortel | :| |
| 01:05.04 | sussudio | ... |
| 01:05.22 | karsten | Where does vim gets its coloring from for syntax? Eg: mail syntax, siglines are dark blue. |
| 01:05.36 | abrotman | karsten: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config!!!! |
| 01:05.53 | sussudio | !be bob2 barbie |
| 01:05.53 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 is HARD |
| 01:05.53 | karsten | !fruitsmite abrotman |
| 01:06.07 | antgel | mmm mango |
| 01:06.21 | abrotman | !sussudiosmite karsten |
| 01:06.31 | antgel | !topicsmite joey |
| 01:06.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon joey. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 01:06.40 | antgel | ah nuts |
| 01:06.45 | scruffy | d03boy: can xmms run without a gui? if so, try screen |
| 01:07.26 | Tortel | I am pretty sure XMMS needs a gui |
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| 01:07.38 | cdemwell | hmmm |
| 01:08.01 | Tortel | !barbie |
| 01:08.01 | dpkg | Reading the manual is HARD! |
| 01:08.01 | cdemwell | Tortel: kinda |
| 01:08.12 | cdemwell | you can run it in a vncserver session |
| 01:08.13 | eggy | <> |
| 01:08.13 | Tortel | Huh? |
| 01:08.16 | cdemwell | then control it with plugins |
| 01:08.17 | Tortel | oh |
| 01:08.36 | scruffy | d03boy: if you don't need a gui, mpd or gnump3d might be a better choice |
| 01:08.37 | Tortel | I am getting better tho |
| 01:08.40 | Tortel | :) |
| 01:08.42 | cdemwell | you came to linux from NeXT? |
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| 01:09.01 | cdemwell | so, tell me: LVM. Yes or no? |
| 01:09.05 | Tortel | I used windows all my life until i tried ubuntu, then full debian |
| 01:09.12 | cdemwell | I've been using it, but I keep hearing absolute horror stories about it |
| 01:09.21 | cdemwell | really! |
| 01:09.25 | cdemwell | Wherefore? |
| 01:09.30 | Tortel | It cuts alot out of debian |
| 01:09.31 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:09.35 | cdemwell | fair nuff |
| 01:09.43 | antgel | it also has bloated deps |
| 01:09.51 | antgel | and a wet user community |
| 01:09.58 | Tortel | It is nice that it installs gnome tho |
| 01:09.59 | cdemwell | And you lose the stability of Debian, which is why I don't run it on my boxen |
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| 01:10.13 | cdemwell | Tortel: What, because there's no gnome in debian? |
| 01:10.19 | Tortel | There is |
| 01:10.22 | Tortel | Im using it |
| 01:10.23 | cdemwell | exactly |
| 01:10.25 | cdemwell | so... |
| 01:10.25 | blueTiffin | thorie_ Sorry, got a 3, 5 and 7 year old running around. Did you get your firewall appender problem dealt with |
| 01:10.26 | scruffy | stability schmility :) |
| 01:10.28 | antgel | i'm using it now on my parents' box. i should have installed sarge and kde |
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| 01:10.40 | Tortel | Its just harder to get used to the command line so that I can install gnome |
| 01:10.49 | cdemwell | nice thing about Ubuntu is that they have a liveCD identical to the default install |
| 01:10.54 | cdemwell | so WYSIWYG |
| 01:11.01 | cdemwell | so... LVM |
| 01:11.08 | Tortel | Yea, I use that instead of knoppix |
| 01:11.15 | Tortel | cause i like gnome better |
| 01:11.16 | Tortel | :) |
| 01:11.31 | cdemwell | I show people kubuntu, because it's more similar to windows |
| 01:11.39 | Tortel | It is.... |
| 01:11.46 | antgel | cdemwell: that's why i'm using it for my olds' |
| 01:11.49 | Tortel | Most windows users take for granite ther GUI |
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| 01:12.02 | antgel | Tortel: s/granite/granted |
| 01:12.07 | Tortel | 90% of then would die on the command line |
| 01:12.15 | Tortel | whatever |
| 01:12.16 | Tortel | :| |
| 01:12.18 | Tortel | :( |
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| 01:12.33 | antgel | !tell Tortel about enter |
| 01:12.42 | antgel | that'll give you something to cry about :) |
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| 01:13.46 | cdemwell | !tell me about enter |
| 01:13.49 | Tortel | Is there a way to fix lines that are on a CRT moniter? |
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| 01:13.58 | cdemwell | haha! |
| 01:14.17 | Tortel | I have these lines that show up on a dark backround... |
| 01:14.20 | ghost_adsf | Hey guys what's the proper way to install nvidia drivers? When I do apt-cache search nvidia I see many options. And some want to download 2.4 kernels and others such as the nvidia-kernel-source errors saying it can't connect to my Gnome frontend. |
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| 01:14.31 | jair | hello guys |
| 01:14.39 | posterity | I'm trying to get my new ipod to speak to my computer, which runs Debian. Anyone have experience with this? |
| 01:14.39 | karsten | jair: ... and girls. |
| 01:14.44 | scruffy | Tortel: trinitron? |
| 01:14.51 | antgel | !tell ghost_adsf about nvidia oneliner |
| 01:15.03 | antgel | i always get that wrong |
| 01:15.09 | cdemwell | hmmm |
| 01:15.16 | Tortel | trinitron?? |
| 01:15.27 | antgel | !tell ghost_adsf about nvidia one-liner |
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| 01:15.40 | scruffy | Tortel: trinitron CRTs have two lines visible.. one near top, one near bottom |
| 01:15.49 | ghost_adsf | antgel: thanx |
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| 01:15.58 | Tortel | Nope,a old CRT |
| 01:16.10 | antgel | !tell posterity about anyone |
| 01:16.19 | antgel | Tortel: could have a trinitron tube |
| 01:16.20 | Tortel | Has lines that are curved towards the center |
| 01:16.29 | scruffy | Tortel: still might be a trinitron |
| 01:16.44 | antgel | they don't make things called trinitron any more. modern naming is lame |
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| 01:16.58 | N0S3_1 | d |
| 01:17.10 | Henry_Bean | hello, anybody knows how to make a debian package of Sun's Netbeans? |
| 01:17.15 | cdemwell | Do you figure 10G is enough for usr? |
| 01:17.37 | antgel | cdemwell: i reckon |
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| 01:17.49 | ChrisBradley | hello |
| 01:17.49 | wratz | exit |
| 01:17.54 | cdemwell | Henry_Bean: I don't figure that's a good idea |
| 01:17.55 | Tortel | !exit |
| 01:17.55 | dpkg | /quit you fool! |
| 01:17.58 | metaperl | besides grip and sound juicer, what can I use to rip cds to ogg in Debian/testing? |
| 01:18.07 | Henry_Bean | cdemwell, why? |
| 01:18.12 | cdemwell | Well, first, it's hard |
| 01:18.23 | antgel | metaperl: what's wrong with what you mentioned? |
| 01:18.24 | cdemwell | second, Netbeans is a java app so it doesn't really require much installation anyhow |
| 01:18.30 | Tortel | metaperl: Check the package manager for multimedia stuff |
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| 01:18.37 | ChrisBradley | hello debhelper |
| 01:18.46 | cdemwell | Third, Netbeans is pretty gross when you have eclipse like RIGHT THERE |
| 01:18.50 | daddius | hey during the install of debian.. it wasn't able to see sata drive |
| 01:18.50 | cdemwell | but if you must, I suppose... :) |
| 01:18.51 | Henry_Bean | there r some netbeans4.0 deb files around... but i need 5.0beta |
| 01:18.52 | metaperl | antgel: they dont give me encoding options |
| 01:19.04 | daddius | is there a way around this? |
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| 01:19.19 | antgel | metaperl: grip does. you haven't looked. i've used it myself |
| 01:19.21 | cdemwell | well, when I ran netbeans I just grabbed a tarball and untarred it, then made a quick little .sh to make it faster to type |
| 01:19.45 | metaperl | antgel: it's also hard to change the song data that it guessed from CDDB |
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| 01:20.08 | cockroach | hi. i have a video file only xine can play back and i'm looking for a way to re-encode it. does anyone know a way to make xine dump the video in some other format? |
| 01:20.16 | antgel | !bug 224075 |
| 01:20.17 | Henry_Bean | cdemwell, i don't know how to tar this? do u know some place to tell me how? |
| 01:20.44 | antgel | !bugs 224075 |
| 01:20.47 | dpkg | #224075:W[grip] grip: oggenc default options deprecated; Mon, 15 Dec 2003 21:03:12 UTC |
| 01:20.48 | cdemwell | er |
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| 01:20.57 | metaperl | there was a good ripper for KDE... |
| 01:21.02 | cdemwell | Henry_Bean: You just download the foo.tar.gz file from Sun |
| 01:21.17 | cdemwell | then you unarchive it with tar -xzvf /where/ever/foo.tar.gz |
| 01:21.23 | dondelelcaro | ChrisBradley: that's great, it's totally OT here though. |
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| 01:21.49 | metaperl | ah, KAudioCreator |
| 01:22.23 | Henry_Bean | cdemwell, all files in http://www.netbeans.info/downloads/download.php, are .bin... |
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| 01:22.42 | Henry_Bean | cdemwell, nono, sorry i found them |
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| 01:23.46 | cdemwell | bing |
| 01:23.56 | cdemwell | welcome to the revolution |
| 01:24.24 | antgel | !info samba sid |
| 01:24.34 | dpkg | samba: (a LanManager-like file and printer server for Unix), section net, is optional. Version: 3.0.20b-2 (sid), Packaged size: 2456 kB, Installed size: 6336 kB |
| 01:24.39 | clandero | freeswan? |
| 01:24.52 | cdemwell | clandero or openvpn |
| 01:24.59 | cdemwell | er, insert a : in there :) |
| 01:25.11 | antgel | clandero: freeswan is deprecated. use openswan |
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| 01:26.07 | clandero | but , freeswan give me more security , no? |
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| 01:27.05 | antgel | clandero: do you understand what i said? |
| 01:27.11 | sgeigerbot | Is it possible to run screen within a chroot? Even after mounting proc, I get this message while trying to start screen: Cannot access '/dev/pts/0': No such file or directory Anyone know what to do? |
| 01:27.16 | pedro420 | nvz:scott where are you? |
| 01:27.26 | antgel | clandero: openswan != openvpn |
| 01:27.48 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: if you've got /dev/pts mounted, it should be... but then again, that's not something you would knormally have mounted. |
| 01:27.54 | clandero | thanks antgel |
| 01:28.03 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: why not just use screen outside of the chroot, and chroot shells into it? |
| 01:28.30 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I'll answer in a minute. |
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| 01:30.23 | Tortel | Gah, there is nothing to do |
| 01:30.46 | daddius | anyone have install problems with sata drives? |
| 01:31.09 | Tortel | I had no problems on install.... Not sure if I have sata tho |
| 01:31.24 | daddius | oh |
| 01:31.49 | Jojosan_ | g'nite all |
| 01:31.50 | daddius | during the partition part it won't view my sata devices |
| 01:32.09 | Jojosan_ | proprietary software... satan ! |
| 01:32.13 | Jojosan_ | GNU nite |
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| 01:33.00 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: oh...that was you who made both comments. okay...well: What does mounting /dev/pts do? I don't ever recall doing that. Btw, I found an example of how to do it, and that worked! Thanks. I'm using chroot to allow me to access another linux installatoin in another partition as if it is the main installation on my system. (That way I don't have to reinstall many of the programs I already installed there.) |
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| 01:35.44 | uxa | I am new to kernel building (using kernel-package) and am having mixed luck. My first few built kernels don't boot. I'd like to give it another go but should I uninstall the bad kernels I've made thus far? |
| 01:36.08 | dondelelcaro | xuxa: generally a good idea, but not explicitely necessary. |
| 01:36.19 | antgel | trying a simple sid backport of samba. apt-get build-dep fails: E: Build-Depends dependency for samba cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements |
| 01:36.27 | xuxa | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks! Do I use something like dpkg --purge? |
| 01:36.38 | antgel | xuxa: do you _need_ to build a kernel? |
| 01:36.50 | dondelelcaro | xuxa: or dpkg --remove, yes. |
| 01:37.14 | xuxa | antgel: I think I do. I need nv_sata support and as I understand it, it's only available in the 2.6.11 or newer kernels. (This is on amd64) |
| 01:37.15 | dondelelcaro | antgel: yes, which means that you need to figure out why it has a build-depends on dpkg-dev, and either work around it, or backport dpkg-dev too. |
| 01:37.46 | xuxa | dondelelcaro: gotcha! Thanks, I'll give that a shot. |
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| 01:40.18 | antgel | dondelelcaro: thanks. when i go to apt-get build-dep dpkg-dev, there are a lot of packages listed. are they going to be from sid? |
| 01:41.14 | antgel | dondelelcaro: don't bother, i can see it downloading - they're stable. was confused. thanks agin |
| 01:42.28 | antgel | dondelelcaro: perhaps i'll make the 3.0.20 samba available publicly. good practice for setting up a mirror etc :) |
| 01:42.35 | antgel | s/mirror/repo |
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| 01:43.02 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: I recall running gui apps from a chroot before. I thought all I needed to do what do something like this: DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 gimp ...or DISPLAY=:0.0 gimp However, that's not working. What might I be failing to do? |
| 01:43.23 | zinx | sgeigerbot: depends on how it's failing. |
| 01:43.57 | xuxa | So here's a silly question... how do I determine the name of the kernel package I installed? "dpkg -l | grep 2.6.13" gives me "ii kernel-image-2 custom.1.2" but with that space in the middle, I think it's truncating the full name of the package... |
| 01:44.11 | zinx | xuxa: it is |
| 01:44.21 | xuxa | zinx: ok, do you know how to get the full name? |
| 01:44.24 | zinx | xuxa: you can set COLUMNS really large |
| 01:44.32 | xuxa | zinx: aha. cool. thank you! |
| 01:45.00 | antgel | xuxa: nb you don't need grep. COLUMNS=160 dpkg -l *2.6.13* |
| 01:45.39 | sgeigerbot | zinx: sgeiger@t42b:~\ 20:45:11$ DISPLAY=:0.0 gimpGIMP could not initialize the graphical user interface.Make sure a proper setup for your display environment exists. |
| 01:45.44 | xuxa | antgel: beautiful! Thank you! |
| 01:46.00 | zinx | sgeigerbot: that's all it says? how lame.. try DISPLAY=:0.0 xdpyinfo |
| 01:47.03 | xuxa | antgel: hrm... actually, I don't think that worked... |
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| 01:47.18 | sgeigerbot | zinx: with a different program: sgeiger@t42b:~\ 20:46:14$ DISPLAY=localhost:0.0 gaim(gaim:1436): Gdk-CRITICAL **: gdk_display_get_name: assertion `GDK_IS_DISPLAY (display)' failed** (gaim:1436): WARNING **: cannot open display: unsetsgeiger@t42b:~\ 20:46:42$ |
| 01:47.40 | sgeigerbot | zinx: sgeiger@t42b:~\ 20:47:22$ DISPLAY=:0.0 xdpyinfo |
| 01:47.40 | sgeigerbot | xdpyinfo: unable to open display ":0.0". |
| 01:47.56 | xuxa | antgel: it seems to be interpreting the "*" characters before it's fed into dpkg |
| 01:47.57 | zinx | sgeigerbot: k, there's two possibilities |
| 01:48.07 | zinx | sgeigerbot: 1) you haven't added the key via xauth in the chroot |
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| 01:48.25 | antgel | xuxa: if you say so |
| 01:48.25 | zinx | sgeigerbot: 2) you either need to enable tcp connections, or put the sockets in the chroot somehow |
| 01:48.30 | xuxa | antgel: :) |
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| 01:50.19 | ZinnKilla | Hey |
| 01:50.25 | sgeigerbot | zinx: root 902 0.8 1.0 18664 15856 ? S 01:17 0:17 /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 01:50.56 | zinx | sgeigerbot: yes, tcp connections are disabled in your setup |
| 01:51.04 | zinx | sgeigerbot: as they are by default in debian |
| 01:51.15 | ZinnKilla | Does anyone know how to get the the boot image dictionary? |
| 01:51.15 | sgeigerbot | zinx: How do I change it? |
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| 01:51.37 | zinx | sgeigerbot: edit /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 01:51.39 | sgeigerbot | zinx: or is there a temporary way? |
| 01:52.17 | Tortel | bored... |
| 01:53.00 | sgeigerbot | zinx: is this for grub? |
| 01:53.03 | ZinnKilla | Ha, I found the kernel |
| 01:53.06 | sgeigerbot | ZinnKilla: is this for grub? |
| 01:53.16 | sgeigerbot | ZinnKilla: if so, perhaps your /etc/fstab is messed up. |
| 01:53.28 | sgeigerbot | ZinnKilla: otherwise, it should always be /boot/ |
| 01:53.28 | ZinnKilla | Naa, I just want to change Debians Boot image to a custom image |
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| 01:53.48 | ZinnKilla | Oh, i'm stupid... |
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| 01:55.34 | Tortel | Cant argue with that... |
| 01:55.38 | Tortel | :P |
| 01:55.40 | Whistleboy | where might I find the latest combination of nvidia drivers and kernel combinations that works? |
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| 01:55.52 | xuxa | antgel: I figured it out with this workaround: dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Package}\n' | grep 2.6 Thanks for setting me on the right track. |
| 01:55.57 | Whistleboy | I run pretty much out of unstable, but this is a new card for me. |
| 01:55.58 | ZinnKilla | If I use WINE, can I install Macromedia Flash? |
| 01:56.09 | Tortel | !tell Whistleboy about nvidia |
| 01:56.10 | Whistleboy | Haven't gotten it installed successfully yet (yes, the Debian way) |
| 01:56.37 | antgel | ZinnKilla: have you checked the wine website database? |
| 01:56.43 | ZinnKilla | Nope |
| 01:57.03 | antgel | ZinnKilla: don't you think that would give you a clue? |
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| 01:57.27 | Whistleboy | Tortel: I read that, but I am not sure if I am trying to use a kernel that is too new, etc. |
| 01:57.32 | Tortel | ZinnKilla: It may work, but if it does, it wont work well |
| 01:57.33 | ZinnKilla | Never thought about it, i'm just using a LiveCD right now, i'm waiting till my computer gets here to install Debian |
| 01:57.40 | Tortel | :( |
| 01:58.22 | Tortel | Whistleboy: What kernel? |
| 01:58.38 | dondelelcaro | !tell solemnwarning -about away |
| 01:58.39 | ZinnKilla | Wonder if GunZ would install :\ |
| 01:58.48 | Whistleboy | Tortel: wel, both, but starting with the Linux kernel, I am running 2.6.13 at the moment but willing to backtrack if necessary |
| 01:59.17 | metaperl | how do I see where the package beneath-a-steel-sky installed files? |
| 01:59.40 | Tortel | !dkpg -i beneath-a-steel-sky |
| 01:59.49 | metaperl | Tortel: thanks |
| 01:59.49 | Tortel | !dkpg -i beneath-a-steel-sky.deb |
| 01:59.52 | Tortel | :P |
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| 02:00.00 | Tortel | that wont work... |
| 02:00.04 | Tortel | hmm |
| 02:00.07 | antgel | dondelelcaro: my dpkg backport built dselect as well. i take it that there's no need to offer dseleect if i offer this samba version in a public repo? |
| 02:00.13 | metaperl | hmm |
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| 02:00.30 | Whistleboy | Tortel: so you are using 2.6.8 (was that directed at me?) |
| 02:00.36 | Tortel | Yea |
| 02:00.44 | Tortel | With nVIDIA stuff |
| 02:00.44 | |XO| | can someone throw me a link debian boot/cheat codes |
| 02:00.53 | ZinnKilla | I have the NetINST version of Debian, but I can just go right back onto the FTP and download the extra packages eh? |
| 02:00.56 | Whistleboy | Tortel: ok, thanks. Good enough for me |
| 02:01.00 | midg3t | anyone else getting md5 mismatches? (consistently getting them with testing & unstable today) |
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| 02:02.15 | omi | hey all, is it possible to make iptables log-prefix larger than 29 bytes? |
| 02:02.19 | antgel | ZinnKilla: have you read the install guide? |
| 02:02.36 | ZinnKilla | Nope, |
| 02:02.47 | antgel | ZinnKilla: don't you think you should? |
| 02:02.59 | antgel | !tell ZinnKilla about grounding |
| 02:03.03 | ZinnKilla | No clue what your talking about, i'm a complete noob to Linux... |
| 02:03.26 | deadcat | where can i find some statistic/data about spyware/virus/worms? like "x of y corporate computers are infected with spyware ... " |
| 02:03.27 | Guerin | !your |
| 02:03.27 | dpkg | well, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 02:03.27 | antgel | ZinnKilla: then you should read what dpkg just told you |
| 02:03.27 | ChrisBradley | http://www.noc.ucla.edu/weather.html |
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| 02:03.36 | muhoo | /var/lib/dpkg/tmp.ci/preinst: line 38: db_stop: command not found |
| 02:03.38 | muhoo | wtf? |
| 02:03.58 | Guerin | muhoo: which db_stop; |
| 02:04.01 | muhoo | this is on sarge. why is mysql-server-4.1 requiring a command db_stop that does not exist? |
| 02:04.02 | Tortel | database_stop |
| 02:04.06 | muhoo | nothing there |
| 02:04.12 | Tortel | i think |
| 02:04.18 | muhoo | no such thing as database_stop either |
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| 02:04.20 | Guerin | locate _stop |
| 02:04.21 | sgeigerbot | ZinnKilla: Use netinstall. Then do (as root): apt-get install base-config. apt-get install apache (which installs apache). Then, also as root, do apt-setup (if the last step didn't work...and then repeat the last step). |
| 02:04.24 | Tortel | and debian doesnt like that line |
| 02:04.30 | sgeigerbot | ZinnKilla: it's totally simple. |
| 02:04.32 | Guerin | !find _stop |
| 02:04.44 | muhoo | nothing in bin |
| 02:04.53 | ZinnKilla | Well I never tried. |
| 02:04.56 | Tortel | deadcat: There is a virus scanner package somewhere.... |
| 02:05.00 | Guerin | !tell muhoo about search |
| 02:05.00 | muhoo | Guerin: no such thing |
| 02:05.08 | sgeigerbot | ~kill deadcat for the 9th time |
| 02:05.11 | apt | ACTION shoots a ionized fluxelectron gun at deadcat for the 9th time |
| 02:05.11 | Tortel | deadcat: look for aegis-virus-scanner |
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| 02:05.14 | ZinnKilla | I can't untill I get my computer. |
| 02:05.18 | deadcat | Tortel: no. i dont want scanner, i want statistic, for my speech |
| 02:05.18 | antgel | sgeigerbot: does he need apache? |
| 02:05.25 | Tortel | oh |
| 02:05.26 | Tortel | :( |
| 02:05.27 | sgeigerbot | antgel: it's an example. |
| 02:05.37 | Tortel | deadcat: Google is your friend! |
| 02:05.38 | deadcat | apt: what the fuck? you come back in years and all you want to do is shoot me? bitch please |
| 02:05.41 | apt | deadcat: what are you talking about? |
| 02:05.42 | sgeigerbot | ZinnKilla: use apt-cache search <foo> to find the package for "foo" |
| 02:05.43 | muhoo | Guerin: um. why does the package require a command, but it's not a dependency? |
| 02:05.44 | deadcat | Tortel: dont know what to ask google |
| 02:05.49 | deadcat | apt: shut up |
| 02:05.51 | apt | yes, Master deadcat |
| 02:05.55 | omi | deadcat do you know if it possible to make iptables log-prefix larger than 29 bytes without rewriting iptables log.c to make a larger buffer? |
| 02:06.00 | muhoo | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:06.05 | ZinnKilla | I have no clue what your talking about, i'm just running Ubuntu's LiveCD |
| 02:06.06 | Guerin | muhoo: it shouldn't, but is that going to stop you trying to figure out what's the matter? |
| 02:06.09 | deadcat | omi: nope |
| 02:06.14 | omi | :( |
| 02:06.19 | omi | why is it so small by default? |
| 02:06.26 | Guerin | muhoo: fwiw, mysql on sarge works fine for tens of thousands of other people |
| 02:06.34 | Tortel | deadcat: try this: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=malicious+softwares+statistics&btnG=Search |
| 02:06.48 | muhoo | i can't have been the first to run into this then |
| 02:07.03 | zinx | muhoo: what command does it require that isn't a dependency? |
| 02:07.03 | Sorcre | I'm sure this has been brought up before, but, should I go for 32 or 64 bit? |
| 02:07.08 | muhoo | db_stop |
| 02:07.19 | Tortel | deadcat: Or try McAfee's website |
| 02:07.24 | omi | sometimes upgrading mysql-server produces weird results so that mysqld cannot start |
| 02:07.28 | muhoo | ah |
| 02:07.29 | omi | I had that a lot of sarge |
| 02:07.32 | antgel | sgeigerbot: he hasn't even read the install guide and he's new to debian. how does he know it's an example and why are you telling him to run base-config manually? |
| 02:07.56 | dpkg | Debian Search of '_stop' (6 of 48): (/usr/share/gxmms/gxmms_stop.png) in sound/gxmms-xmms ;; (/usr/include/udm_stopwords.h) in web/mnogosearch-dev ;; (/usr/lib/diet/lib/dyn_stop.o) in libdevel/dietlibc-dev ;; (/usr/share/gxmms-bmp/gxmms_stop.png) in sound/gxmms-bmp ;; (/usr/lib/maxdb/programs/bin/x_stop) in misc/maxdb-server ;; (/usr/include/tnt/tnt_stopwatch.h) in libdevel/libtnt-dev. |
| 02:07.57 | muhoo | got it |
| 02:07.57 | antgel | Sorcre: should i have egg or cheese? |
| 02:07.58 | deadcat | Tortel: thanks (=. the first link was good. |
| 02:07.58 | zinx | muhoo: i have no such command, and mysql functions :/ |
| 02:08.32 | Sorcre | antgel: neither |
| 02:08.35 | muhoo | zinx: Guerin: solution = "mv /etc/init.d/mysql-dpkg.dist /etc/init.d/mysql" |
| 02:08.40 | muhoo | duh |
| 02:08.49 | Sorcre | antgel: they both make me vomit :-p |
| 02:08.56 | muhoo | thanks! |
| 02:09.16 | Guerin | muhoo: makes sense. |
| 02:09.44 | Whistleboy | Tortel: how close to the verison numbers have to be - the linux kernel is 2.6.8-2-k7 but the nvidia-kernel is 2.6.8-1-k7 (2 vs. 1) |
| 02:09.50 | muhoo | db_stop must have been a shell function in some long-gone script |
| 02:09.56 | Whistleboy | Tortel: that is the deb version, right? |
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| 02:10.35 | Tortel | Whistleboy: I am using the highest possible kernel on stable, let me check |
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| 02:11.20 | Tortel | Whistleboy: Hell with it, try it |
| 02:11.25 | Tortel | MAy work |
| 02:11.29 | Tortel | *May |
| 02:11.33 | antgel | !tell Sorcre about msg |
| 02:11.47 | Guerin | Whistleboy: kernel version numers have to match exactly |
| 02:11.55 | Whistleboy | Tortel: am I correct in that the first number after the "-" is the .deb version? |
| 02:12.11 | Guerin | Whistleboy: -1 was changed to -2 because while everything else was the same, the ABI magic changed |
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| 02:12.32 | Guerin | Whistleboy: it's the ABI revision, yeah. |
| 02:12.35 | sgeigerbot | antgel: base-config, which I told him to *install*...not run. He needs it for apt-setup... |
| 02:12.39 | Whistleboy | Guerin: ABI? |
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| 02:12.57 | Guerin | Whistleboy: the method which binary programs use to talk to each other |
| 02:13.09 | antgel | sgeigerbot: sorry. does the installer not do all that? |
| 02:13.26 | Whistleboy | thanks guys! |
| 02:13.26 | sgeigerbot | antgel: I'm just covering all bases...just in case. |
| 02:13.51 | Tortel | Whistleboy: I have no idea :P |
| 02:14.00 | sgeigerbot | antgel: I have no idea how he installed. The installer I most frequently use is debootstrap... |
| 02:14.24 | antgel | sgeigerbot: you're providing him with irrelevant and confusing information |
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| 02:16.12 | sgeigerbot | antgel: excuse me. |
| 02:16.35 | sgeigerbot | antgel: let go... |
| 02:16.54 | antgel | sgeigerbot: i don't understand |
| 02:17.17 | sgeigerbot | antgel: drop it. |
| 02:18.05 | orchid | how can I find all the packages that depend on $package? |
| 02:18.23 | antgel | sgeigerbot: why. don't want to discuss? |
| 02:18.32 | sgeigerbot | orchid: alias reverse-dependencies='apt-cache showpkg $1' |
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| 02:19.31 | orchid | oh thanks sgeigerbot |
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| 02:22.43 | Tortel | nn all |
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| 02:24.53 | deadcat | someone help me find a site that shows the total windows virus vs linux please |
| 02:24.58 | deadcat | reliable site |
| 02:25.16 | xixor | netcraft ? |
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| 02:25.40 | zinx | deadcat: linux viruses? i know of about 3.. i doubt there's much more than that.. |
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| 02:25.55 | Pres-Gas | hey all |
| 02:25.56 | xixor | zinx: wow, i've never encountered any |
| 02:26.09 | zinx | xixor: That's because they tend to not be able to spread |
| 02:26.41 | deadcat | zinx: ya. i plan to use that for my speech tomorrow (= 3 or 5 vs i dont know |
| 02:26.56 | zinx | deadcat: there are thousands for win32.. check symantec.com or such for that info |
| 02:26.59 | xixor | deadcat: I dont know.. my feeling is that you'll be hard pressed to find an unbiased site depicting true stats,as most of the sites will be pro-linux, or pro-windows, and will try to cast the other in a different light |
| 02:27.21 | zinx | also it depends on what you consider a virus |
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| 02:27.33 | deadcat | xixor: fine with me (= |
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| 02:27.35 | Pres-Gas | Okay, is there anyone currently using eclipse 3 on Debian? If you are, how are you getting it as well as the jre? |
| 02:27.39 | r3gii | hi |
| 02:27.40 | zinx | there are a lot of rootkits running around, but most require manual infection |
| 02:27.48 | cheal | Pres-Gas: most likely |
| 02:27.54 | r3gii | when i start my system and dont log in to it, after few minutes i have this message: usb-ohci.c: USB suspend: usb-00:01.2 |
| 02:27.55 | cheal | !tell Pres-Gas about install java |
| 02:28.18 | r3gii | then: usb-ohci.c: USB continue: usb-00:01.2 from host wakeup |
| 02:28.24 | deadcat | i am having problem finding these stats online )= |
| 02:28.47 | r3gii | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.54 | Guerin | r3gii: ignore it |
| 02:30.06 | r3gii | :) |
| 02:30.12 | r3gii | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.39 | Guerin | it means "I'm a usb host controller and I'm keeping you informed of my actions" |
| 02:30.59 | Guerin | Consider yourself informed. |
| 02:32.02 | xixor | deadcat: well, I bring it up, because you said "reliable" sites |
| 02:32.43 | r3gii | can i start ident manualy only when i need it? |
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| 02:33.06 | Guerin | r3gii: not much point, really. |
| 02:33.37 | Guerin | r3gii: identd is run from inetd; you can stop that when you don't need it. |
| 02:33.41 | Guerin | if you really care |
| 02:34.02 | deadcat | xixor: ? i cant find anything. |
| 02:34.11 | r3gii | ok thanks |
| 02:35.39 | Pres-Gas | cheal, thanks...good reading. I tried to use the blackdown stuff. Testing seems to have only eclipse 2.1 though. |
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| 02:48.01 | jkern | If I compile a program and needed library in /usr/local/src, I get everything I need in /usr/local/. But when I run the program from /usr/local/bin, it uses the library in /usr/lib. How can I get the program to use the library in /usr/loca/lib? |
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| 02:51.23 | xfan | jkern : edit the: /etc/ld.so.conf |
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| 02:54.30 | paxl | ping paxl.org |
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| 03:00.14 | josephine | HELLO |
| 03:00.46 | josephine | ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO INSTALL YAHOO MESSENGER? |
| 03:00.53 | SoulForge | you can't |
| 03:00.55 | cockslap | press shift |
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| 03:02.10 | mikkael | where do I find cron logs? I've checked /var/cron and /var/log/cron. |
| 03:02.34 | SoulForge | is there a package for libxml2-devel ? |
| 03:03.28 | SoulForge | I am getting xml2 errors with PHP 5 install and they said i'd need it :* |
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| 03:08.36 | dvsdude | hello all |
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| 03:08.59 | backblue | hi, where is the path in mirrors for the isos? |
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| 03:09.51 | dli | backblue, go to http://www.debian.org, "Getting Debian" |
| 03:10.28 | mmiikkee12 | ok, i'm having trouble with my linux net connection... |
| 03:10.35 | mmiikkee12 | there is no /dev/eth* |
| 03:10.39 | mmiikkee12 | oddly enough, dhcpcd doesn't say anything about it, but there's still no connection |
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| 03:10.50 | The_Vulture | mmiikkee12: did you load any network device drivers? |
| 03:11.09 | mmiikkee12 | usbnet? |
| 03:11.37 | mmiikkee12 | i just picked some that sounded like the right ones, according to someone in another channel |
| 03:11.57 | cheal | SoulForge: perhaps libxml2-dev? |
| 03:12.03 | mmiikkee12 | usbnet was one of them... |
| 03:12.32 | midg3t | mikkael: there usually aren't /dev/eth* devices |
| 03:12.34 | midg3t | try ifconfig -a |
| 03:12.45 | mmiikkee12 | ok... |
| 03:13.03 | midg3t | and check dmesg |
| 03:13.57 | SoulForge | I love you cheal |
| 03:14.08 | mmiikkee12 | and it's mmiikkee12 btw (don't worry, people always misspell it) |
| 03:14.45 | cheal | SoulForge: loving apt-cache search is more reliable |
| 03:15.00 | SoulForge | indeed, i'll remember that command |
| 03:15.22 | Kevin` | hi SoulForge |
| 03:15.36 | SoulForge | hello Kevin` |
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| 03:17.05 | mmiikkee12 | midg3t: ifconfig -a will do it itself? |
| 03:17.24 | The_Vulture | it'll show you your interfaces, it won't bring them up/down/sideways. |
| 03:17.43 | mmiikkee12 | ffs, is there anything that can boot my debian partition in a window in windows me? |
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| 03:18.05 | mmiikkee12 | rebooting is slow |
| 03:18.08 | mmiikkee12 | anyway... |
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| 03:18.46 | mmiikkee12 | when i plug the modem in, it detects it and shows a message onthe screen |
| 03:18.48 | SoulForge | recommended FTP server software |
| 03:18.49 | josephine | you are right mmiikkeel2 |
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| 03:19.02 | mmiikkee12 | so i guess something is happening |
| 03:19.12 | bgat | quick question: I have a machine running testing, and I would prefer it were at sarge. Is it practical to do a "downgrade" of some kind, and if so, how? |
| 03:19.22 | omi | does anyone know if it is possible to log to syslong-ng or something similar commands that people enter in their shells? |
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| 03:19.42 | mmiikkee12 | it's mmiikkee *one* 2!!! |
| 03:19.49 | mmiikkee12 | ok, brb |
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| 03:19.54 | omi | hehe |
| 03:20.01 | Kevin` | hi mm11keel2 |
| 03:20.05 | Kevin` | heh |
| 03:20.11 | dvsdude | hi mmmmiiiikkkkkeeeellll2 |
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| 03:21.12 | Kevin` | are there any known problem using uml with debian (stable) |
| 03:21.43 | tvn | uml ? |
| 03:21.50 | Kevin` | user-mode linux |
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| 03:21.52 | tvn | unifed model lanaguage ? |
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| 03:23.36 | setnf | hi. in what debian's package exists nslookup binary ? |
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| 03:24.01 | Kevin` | how do I find which package a binary is part of |
| 03:24.09 | backblue | debian its 14 cd's? |
| 03:24.28 | bob2 | !+find bin/nslookup |
| 03:24.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:24.32 | bob2 | backblue: yes |
| 03:24.36 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/nslookup' (1): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils. |
| 03:24.39 | bob2 | backblue: you of course don't need any to install it |
| 03:24.42 | bob2 | Kevin`: like that |
| 03:24.44 | bob2 | setnf: as aobve |
| 03:24.46 | setnf | Bob2 thanks. |
| 03:24.57 | Kevin` | !+find /usr/bin/dig |
| 03:24.58 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
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| 03:25.10 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/bin/dig' returned no results. |
| 03:25.16 | calljair | hello guys |
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| 03:25.17 | Kevin` | :/ |
| 03:25.18 | backblue | bob2: no? why not? |
| 03:25.32 | backblue | how many do i will need? |
| 03:25.45 | bob2 | !+find bin/dig |
| 03:25.46 | calljair | abrotman, I did install a netinst server but I add a second NIC after all the configuration was done the basic one at least. |
| 03:25.47 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 03:25.54 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/dig' (6 of 8): (/usr/bin/digestp) in text/mp ;; (/usr/bin/dig) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/digikam) in graphics/digikam ;; (/var/list/.bin/digest) in mail/smartlist ;; (/usr/share/tomcat4/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat4 ;; (/usr/share/tomcat5/bin/digest.sh) in contrib/web/tomcat5. |
| 03:25.55 | bob2 | Kevin`: also, bind9-utils or so |
| 03:26.05 | bob2 | backblue: you don't need any, you can install from a single floppy disk |
| 03:26.15 | abrotman | calljair: ? |
| 03:26.24 | abrotman | i've been idle for hours! :) |
| 03:26.32 | abrotman | calljair: ethtool |
| 03:26.44 | calljair | abrotman, ok, let me try that |
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| 03:26.51 | backblue | bob2: but i will download from internet, i want to do a non-wired instalation |
| 03:26.55 | deadcat | somebody help me find some statistic about total or list of linux virus over the years please. and the total windows virus as well. thanks. |
| 03:27.34 | bob2 | backblue: then you need however many cds you need |
| 03:27.40 | backblue | bob2: :\ |
| 03:27.42 | bob2 | backblue: each cd just contains packages |
| 03:27.49 | bob2 | backblue: think about it logically |
| 03:27.53 | jdhutchin1 | deadcat, google |
| 03:27.55 | bob2 | backblue: I cannot guess what you will want to install |
| 03:27.56 | calljair | abrotman, bremen:~# ethtool |
| 03:27.56 | Kevin` | deadcat there aren't many traditional linux 'viruses' |
| 03:27.57 | calljair | -su: ethtool: command not found |
| 03:27.57 | calljair | bremen:~# |
| 03:28.06 | backblue | bob2: even i |
| 03:28.10 | bob2 | backblue: so I cannot guess which cds you need. the first is enough for a fairly complete system, though. |
| 03:28.12 | Kevin` | deadcat i've only heard of one or 2 ever |
| 03:28.12 | backblue | i dont know what i will need! |
| 03:28.13 | dvsdude | deadcat http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ |
| 03:28.13 | deadcat | Kevin`: ya. so i need to get it compared with windows. |
| 03:28.13 | bob2 | calljair: uh, so I install ot? |
| 03:28.15 | calljair | abrotman, ?? |
| 03:28.18 | abrotman | !installit |
| 03:28.18 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 03:28.24 | backblue | bob2: tks |
| 03:28.38 | bob2 | backblue: you can just get all 14 if you want to have access to everthing.. |
| 03:28.41 | calljair | bob2, abrotman I did add another ethx to my server |
| 03:28.46 | bob2 | backblue: or just the first one, then get others as you need them |
| 03:28.58 | bob2 | calljair: do you know what "command not found" means? |
| 03:29.00 | deadcat | dvsdude: thanks. |
| 03:29.10 | dvsdude | deadcat: np |
| 03:29.15 | calljair | bob2, abrotman but I do not remember how to configure it. |
| 03:29.19 | deadcat | jdhutchin1: i am really bad at using that crapass search engine.. |
| 03:29.25 | bob2 | calljair: you edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:29.28 | Kevin` | here's something may be interesting http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/ |
| 03:29.37 | deadcat | let me go eat and come back for more. my speach is tomorrow (= |
| 03:29.38 | bob2 | calljair: just copy what you have for the other one and change as needed |
| 03:29.43 | calljair | bob2, abrotman yes, but I did that already and eth1 do not appear |
| 03:30.11 | bob2 | calljair: what does "not appear" mean? |
| 03:30.14 | calljair | bob2, do I have to add the address: network: netmask: |
| 03:30.32 | Kevin` | deadcat that page also has some numbers |
| 03:30.32 | calljair | let me paste this two things |
| 03:30.41 | Kevin` | what you want |
| 03:30.57 | calljair | bob2, I will paste the result of ifconfig -a and the vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:31.26 | backblue | does still exists apt-proxy? |
| 03:31.42 | mikkael | anybody can recommend a book on postfix? |
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| 03:32.00 | backblue | mikkael: what do you need a book for? |
| 03:32.03 | calljair | bob2, http://pastebin.com/401600 |
| 03:32.03 | bob2 | calljair: not in here |
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| 03:32.05 | bob2 | backblue: yes |
| 03:32.08 | backblue | you have everything on the net |
| 03:32.10 | Guerin | mikkael: lifewithoutqmail.org |
| 03:32.13 | calljair | bob2, I know |
| 03:32.20 | backblue | Guerin: ehehe |
| 03:32.22 | mikkael | backblue: I like to read. |
| 03:32.24 | bob2 | mikkael: I assume the o'reilly one is good |
| 03:32.37 | Holborn | calljair: be sure the kernel modules are loaded .. |
| 03:32.37 | mikkael | bob2: thanks. do you know a title for it by any chance? |
| 03:32.42 | bob2 | calljair: that just means you haven't set it up |
| 03:32.50 | Guerin | i'd bet it's called'postfix' |
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| 03:33.14 | calljair | bob2, correct, so I have to install or load the kernel modules? |
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| 03:33.21 | rapsys | Hy |
| 03:33.32 | calljair | this install I did was with the floppies and the netinst. ;) |
| 03:33.36 | mikkael | Guerin: they have a few titles. |
| 03:33.36 | bob2 | calljair: no |
| 03:33.39 | rapsys | I have a question about debian and intel bi-xeon processors |
| 03:33.40 | bob2 | calljair: you need to setup /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:34.09 | josephine | HELLO |
| 03:34.10 | calljair | bob2, set up mean configure it similar than eth0 and then add a available ip address in the dhcp range. |
| 03:34.11 | rapsys | could I use a kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel on such box ? |
| 03:34.35 | Guerin | josephine: http://fixyourcapslock.com |
| 03:34.38 | bob2 | calljair: ok, if you have no idea what you're doing, you really really need to stop, step back and explain your network to us |
| 03:34.45 | josephine | ANYBODY KNOWS HOW TO INSTALL YAHOO MESSENGER? |
| 03:34.53 | Guerin | josephine: ASK YAHOO |
| 03:35.02 | rapsys | josephine: http://www.yahoo.com/ ;) |
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| 03:35.10 | rapsys | or use gaim... |
| 03:35.12 | bob2 | josephine: use gaim. also, stop using caps. |
| 03:35.15 | rapsys | http://gaim.sf.net/ |
| 03:35.15 | josephine | I'VE TRIED ALREADY BUT IT'S NOT WORKING GUERIN |
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| 03:35.27 | josephine | ok bob |
| 03:35.27 | Guerin | josephine: THAT SUCKS, YOU SHOULD COMPLAIN TO YAHOO |
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| 03:35.37 | bob2 | mikkael: ah, good point, I odn't know |
| 03:35.37 | Kevin` | GAH STOP SHOUTING |
| 03:35.38 | bob2 | bah |
| 03:35.46 | calljair | bob2, ok bob, I have everything install already in this debian server, after that I found another NIC that I could use but then what I did is add it connect it install it in the pci slot of the machine and reboot. |
| 03:35.47 | bgat | anyone know if it's reasonable to downgrade from testing to stable, or I should just wipe and reinstall? |
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| 03:36.03 | Guerin | bgat: latter |
| 03:36.05 | rapsys | onyone know if I will crash my server if I install a kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp kernel on it ? I have a bi-xeon |
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| 03:36.10 | bob2 | bgat: not really possible |
| 03:36.14 | bob2 | rapsys: yes |
| 03:36.16 | Guerin | rapsys: that is a correct kernel |
| 03:36.18 | bgat | Guerin: darn, I was afraid you guys would say that. :( |
| 03:36.24 | calljair | bob2, when the machine reboot, did not add the eth1 to the /etc/network/interfaces. |
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| 03:36.38 | rapsys | ok I could install it and reboot without beeing killed then... |
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| 03:36.52 | calljair | bob2, my question is should I run some command like dpkg or something like that? |
| 03:36.52 | bob2 | calljair: of course, /etc/network/interfaces is a config file you're supposed to edit |
| 03:37.04 | bob2 | calljair: no, you edit it yourself, with a text editor |
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| 03:37.28 | calljair | bob2, ohh I have to do that myself if is installed after awards. |
| 03:37.46 | bob2 | calljair: yes |
| 03:37.54 | bob2 | calljair: or install ethtool |
| 03:38.09 | calljair | bob2, because the example of what is happening to me: bob2 add an extra NIC eth3 and reboot the server. |
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| 03:38.24 | bob2 | calljair: I don't understand |
| 03:38.25 | dvsdude | calljair: man interfaces |
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| 03:38.27 | abrotman | !Kill fenio |
| 03:38.29 | calljair | bob2, how do you configure or make that third network adapter work. |
| 03:38.44 | calljair | bob2, I will do that though |
| 03:38.48 | bob2 | calljair: you edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:38.58 | bob2 | calljair: that's how you setup networking in Debian |
| 03:38.59 | calljair | bob2, ok I see |
| 03:39.20 | calljair | bob2, nice I though I nedded something else perfect. |
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| 03:41.08 | abrotman | ack .. i have no new memos!!! |
| 03:41.47 | Guerin | abrotman: You must have missed the one about the TPS reports |
| 03:41.57 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:42.14 | calljair | bob2, http://pastebin.com/401605 this is the result of the command ethtool but I will adde the other things manually with a text editor, so this command or this result just tells me that is recognized at least? |
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| 03:42.42 | josephine | guys im new in ubuntu... what does it mean "X Window"? where to find it? |
| 03:42.50 | deadcat | josephine: #ubuntu |
| 03:42.52 | Guerin | josephine: #ubuntu |
| 03:43.03 | deadcat | i win |
| 03:43.06 | Guerin | josephine: type /join #ubuntu |
| 03:43.10 | Guerin | josephine: in your irc client |
| 03:43.14 | bob2 | calljair: maybe you want etherconf instead |
| 03:43.22 | deadcat | Guerin: keep explaining. (= |
| 03:43.27 | josephine | of Guerin thanks |
| 03:43.45 | calljair | bob2, ok |
| 03:44.33 | josephine | thank you guys |
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| 03:45.17 | abrotman | bob2: thank you |
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| 03:46.24 | JoeyP | Heya How do I remove cups, its hanging at boot |
| 03:46.34 | abrotman | man apt-get |
| 03:46.42 | bob2 | naively, I'd assume it would be better to fix that |
| 03:46.56 | JoeyP | please humor me |
| 03:47.32 | JoeyP | or at least in the first place. why would cups be hanging at boot |
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| 03:48.13 | calljair | bob2, I already edit it and did /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 03:48.22 | calljair | bob2, now they have their configurations |
| 03:48.27 | bob2 | great |
| 03:48.31 | calljair | bob2, both with static ip address |
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| 03:48.47 | calljair | how coul I check if is working now? |
| 03:48.50 | JoeyP | good to see everyone's up on their stuff |
| 03:48.59 | calljair | bob2, without disconnect the current one |
| 03:49.09 | calljair | bob2, eth0 is connected to the internet |
| 03:49.13 | bob2 | calljair: "ifconfig" |
| 03:49.15 | calljair | and router |
| 03:49.15 | dvsdude | JoeyP: apt-get remove cupsys |
| 03:49.25 | calljair | it shows |
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| 03:49.49 | calljair | bob2, I will try to add another cable to that interface |
| 03:50.02 | daveb | i seem to have broken by gnome/x setup. If I try to login with gdm I get this /etc/gdm/Xsession: Beginning session setup... and then it says my login lasted less than ten seconds and sends me back to gdm |
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| 03:50.09 | daveb | i can't find any errors in any logs. |
| 03:50.21 | daveb | if I use the Failsafe login from gdm it works. |
| 03:50.34 | daveb | any hints where to look for a problem? |
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| 03:51.23 | bob2 | cheap and simple is to remove your gnome config |
| 03:51.46 | calljair | bob2, http://pastebin.com/401609 |
| 03:52.01 | calljair | I will disconect the eth0 then |
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| 03:52.16 | calljair | bob2, and chek if I get internet with the other one eth1 |
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| 03:53.55 | daveb | ok so how would I go about removing my gnome config? per user? or system wide? |
| 03:54.25 | redir | anyone know why mysql would be one hour off from system time (DST), I mean how to fix it? |
| 03:54.26 | bob2 | mv ~/.gnome* ~/junk |
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| 03:55.20 | daveb | thanks Bob2 that is what I thought |
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| 03:58.52 | brady__ | anybody know a sed regex to capture first and last word in a sentence? |
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| 03:59.17 | Guerin | !tell brady__ about sed cheats |
| 03:59.18 | daveb | the only difference I can find in Xorg log is that the Synaptics mouse driver loads, although the touchpad works with or without it. |
| 03:59.56 | daveb | it loads hte synaptics driver then stops it. then I am back at gdm |
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| 04:01.50 | varsendagger | i'm having a hech of a time configuring and installing some packages, anyway, pkg-config is not finding the libs taht i've installed (apt-get ) my question is how do i tel pkg-config where my libs are located? |
| 04:02.16 | Guerin | varsendagger: it should find them already if they're in /usr |
| 04:02.28 | varsendagger | ohh, and i've done serches for .pc files |
| 04:02.29 | Guerin | varsendagger: you need to make sure you have -dev libs installed |
| 04:02.36 | bob2 | not all libraries include .pc files |
| 04:03.12 | JoeyP | I have a failed daemon hanging up my boot. How do I get around that? |
| 04:05.10 | Guerin | JoeyP: remove it or fix it. |
| 04:05.36 | varsendagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.51 | JoeyP | WHO WANTS TO SUCK MY BIG GAY COCK BOYS? |
| 04:06.03 | Guerin | JoeyP: bob2 does |
| 04:06.11 | Guerin | JoeyP: oh wait, no, he wants to kick and ban you |
| 04:06.29 | JoeyP | kewl |
| 04:06.38 | Guerin | varsendagger: yeah, search for those packages and -dev |
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| 04:07.13 | abrotman | !prize bob2 |
| 04:07.19 | xnet | i have a folder i can't get azureus to save to, even though i have the permision to save to it. can anyone help? |
| 04:07.55 | Guerin | xnet: what does azureus complain about? is it a local folder with some space in? |
| 04:08.16 | xnet | its a folder on my windows partition. "data missing" |
| 04:08.19 | gpm | hey guys, you know how when you update packages sometimes apt asks you if you want to update config files? if i said no, but now i want to update the config file...is there a way to get apt to ask me again? |
| 04:08.21 | Guerin | xnet: yeah |
| 04:08.28 | bob2 | xnet: ntfs filesystem? |
| 04:08.33 | xnet | yeah |
| 04:08.40 | Guerin | xnet: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 04:08.48 | abrotman | !smack xnet |
| 04:08.49 | Guerin | xnet: oh, ntfs can't be written to |
| 04:08.55 | Guerin | xnet: don't use it |
| 04:09.04 | bob2 | gpm: sudo dpkg -P --force-depends packagename ; sudo apt-get install packagename |
| 04:09.04 | calljair | guys i add manually the address to the /etc/network/interfaces and I ping to it It works I got the reply but I could not connect to the internet :( from the new nic. |
| 04:09.16 | xnet | i can write to it otherwise. |
| 04:09.28 | Guerin | xnet: using what mechanism? |
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| 04:09.57 | xnet | chaning it to fat32 will solve the problem? saving, copying |
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| 04:10.07 | Guerin | xnet: maybe, maybe not |
| 04:10.16 | xnet | dig it. |
| 04:10.29 | daveb | ah I see this error in the Xorg log |
| 04:10.32 | daveb | (EE) RADEON(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 04:10.38 | xnet | thanks. |
| 04:10.41 | Guerin | xnet: many unix programs have trouble writing directly to braindead windows filesystems without proper permissions |
| 04:10.46 | Guerin | xnet: just use a unix filesystem |
| 04:11.01 | daveb | direct rendering works with failsafe gnome session from gdm |
| 04:11.18 | Guerin | daveb: shouldn't |
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| 04:11.35 | daveb | Also I see (II) RADEON(0): [drm] drmAddMap failed |
| 04:11.46 | xnet | i partitioned my drive unevenly so my windows has most of my hdd, i'm just gonna go in and transfer most of it to my linux. |
| 04:12.08 | woodland | can i use wget to download yahoo attachments |
| 04:12.11 | xnet | thans for the help. |
| 04:12.26 | abrotman | woodland: doubtful |
| 04:12.26 | Guerin | woodland: are they on a ftp or http server? |
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| 04:12.34 | abrotman | Guerin: cookies/sessions |
| 04:12.39 | abrotman | yes . doable .. but blah |
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| 04:12.56 | woodland | Guerin, http server |
| 04:13.13 | Guerin | woodland: find the correct url and you should be able to |
| 04:13.25 | Guerin | woodland: don't ask us how to do that, though - ask yahoo corp. |
| 04:13.36 | calljair | nice the servers: securyti stuff and the other servers are down :( |
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| 04:13.59 | calljair | security.ftp.debian bla bla bla.. down |
| 04:14.27 | Guerin | calljair: perhaps it's becvause you're making up server names out of thin air |
| 04:14.42 | calljair | haha |
| 04:15.49 | varsendagger | ok i'm back, what if i can't find the -dev files? |
| 04:16.10 | Guerin | varsendagger: look harder, or use apt-file or auto-apt to find the files you need |
| 04:17.36 | daveb | so seems to be something with a DRM driver |
| 04:19.53 | dvsdude | daveb: this might help with you with ati config http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 04:20.24 | daveb | thanks. basically I compiled a new kernel when this problem occured. 2.6.9 -> 2.6.13.4 |
| 04:22.31 | dvsdude | daveb: im using nvidia if i change kernel i have to redo driver possible ati same but not sure |
| 04:23.10 | cdemwell | Hmm |
| 04:23.17 | cdemwell | so, is DM_MIRROR not in 2.6.13? |
| 04:23.30 | deadcat | changelog |
| 04:23.31 | cdemwell | how does one go about getting the mirror device mapper handler? |
| 04:23.41 | deadcat | patch |
| 04:23.54 | cdemwell | excellent, thank you |
| 04:23.55 | daveb | i just used the bult in ones that came with the kernel. maybe not. |
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| 04:24.14 | cdemwell | Just making sure I wasn't missing it somewhere |
| 04:24.53 | cdemwell | daveb: The built-in what? |
| 04:24.59 | Garda | hey guys. has everyone heard quake 4 will have a linux binary |
| 04:26.23 | cdemwell | Well, I have |
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| 04:26.50 | Guerin | Garda: s/will have/has/ |
| 04:27.01 | Garda | i just can't get the proper video drivers to work on debian |
| 04:27.06 | Garda | i am so cut |
| 04:27.10 | daveb | cdemwell: radeon video driver |
| 04:27.13 | cdemwell | aha |
| 04:27.14 | Guerin | Garda: now is not the best time to try |
| 04:27.29 | cdemwell | the ATI Radeon drivers are hell.. fglrx, right? |
| 04:27.31 | cdemwell | grody. |
| 04:27.44 | cdemwell | you can't get the cards to use the DVI port without it |
| 04:27.58 | daveb | really. i have a laptop. i wonder if that matters |
| 04:27.58 | Garda | yea. the setup program was supposed to be easy, but it didn't work for me |
| 04:28.21 | cdemwell | daveb: The "ati" driver that ships with Debian is not what I'm talking about |
| 04:28.32 | rapsys | I have a problem with a dedicated server |
| 04:28.33 | cdemwell | I'm talking about fglrx, which comes from ATI, the company |
| 04:28.46 | cdemwell | rapsys: Is it too committed? |
| 04:28.49 | dvsdude | cdemwell: http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
| 04:28.50 | cdemwell | Because I hate that in a server |
| 04:28.55 | rapsys | I have try to install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 04:29.01 | rapsys | and it don't reboot |
| 04:29.05 | cdemwell | whoa, neat |
| 04:29.10 | daveb | cdemwell: i'll try that |
| 04:29.16 | Guerin | rapsys: why not? |
| 04:29.17 | cdemwell | dvsdude: I will remember that next time, which I hope will be never |
| 04:29.22 | rapsys | it's a bi-xeon |
| 04:29.35 | rapsys | xeon aren't they 64bit ? |
| 04:29.38 | Guerin | rapsys: you mean it's both slot and socket? |
| 04:29.42 | Guerin | rapsys: no. |
| 04:29.55 | cdemwell | there exist 64-bit xeons I think |
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| 04:30.07 | cdemwell | I hear they really, really suck |
| 04:30.16 | rapsys | I speak about ovh bi-xeon if you see what I mean |
| 04:30.18 | cdemwell | IBM is getting all my business for servers, because they carry opterons |
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| 04:30.34 | cdemwell | so rapsys, what do you mean won't reboot? |
| 04:30.41 | Guerin | rapsys: by bi, do you mean both slot and socket? |
| 04:30.51 | cdemwell | Guerin: That's a cute way of putting it |
| 04:30.54 | Guerin | i can't think of any other meaning for a bi-cpu |
| 04:31.00 | rapsys | the server whon't reboot after a shutdown -r now |
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| 04:31.09 | cdemwell | hmm |
| 04:31.10 | Guerin | rapsys: WHY NOT? |
| 04:31.18 | cdemwell | rapsys: Try going single-user first? |
| 04:31.23 | rapsys | Guerin: don't know what's it is realy |
| 04:31.28 | cdemwell | probably ACPI bullshit |
| 04:31.33 | Guerin | rapsys: find out what it says, then get back to us. |
| 04:31.33 | rapsys | arg |
| 04:31.39 | Garda | cdemwell: yea, that's the installer i was talking about. i couldn't get it to work |
| 04:31.46 | cdemwell | oops |
| 04:31.47 | rapsys | where could I look |
| 04:31.54 | cdemwell | I never saw that installer, Garda, until now |
| 04:31.56 | cdemwell | I did it by hand |
| 04:31.58 | Guerin | rapsys: look at the boot messages on screen |
| 04:31.59 | rapsys | if it didn't boot i wouldn't have any log |
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| 04:32.15 | cdemwell | rapsys: dmesg? /var/log/messages? |
| 04:32.18 | rapsys | Guerin: the problem is that it's a dedicated server!!! |
| 04:32.20 | varsendagger | so inorder to compile from source you need a lot of -devel packages? |
| 04:32.29 | Guerin | rapsys: that means nothing. |
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| 04:32.32 | Garda | i tried to play unreal tournament, but was stuck using my brother's computer |
| 04:32.32 | Garda | xp is so ugly |
| 04:32.34 | Guerin | varsendagger: yes. |
| 04:32.39 | cdemwell | !tell me about build |
| 04:32.40 | diediedie | hey all. |
| 04:32.41 | daveb | that fglrx doesn't mention my ATI Mobility 7 |
| 04:32.43 | cdemwell | !tell me about kp |
| 04:32.49 | cdemwell | aha yeah |
| 04:32.53 | rapsys | Guerin: I hope it has boot until write the log at least |
| 04:33.01 | cdemwell | !tell varsendagger about kp |
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| 04:33.26 | dvsdude | daveb: thats it i have mate with toshiba and radon mobile it doesnt seem to be support by ati ati sucks |
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| 04:33.32 | Guerin | rapsys: just plug a damn monitor in and look at the boot messages. If it's remote, get someone at the colo centre to do it. |
| 04:33.41 | varsendagger | cool thanks |
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| 04:33.43 | paxl | Do somone know how to fetch the ip of some msn friend ? |
| 04:33.45 | cdemwell | !tell me about kp mantra |
| 04:33.54 | cdemwell | haha |
| 04:33.57 | Guerin | rapsys: why the fuck are you upgrading kernels on remote machines if you don't know what you're doing? |
| 04:34.00 | Guerin | paxl: ask them |
| 04:34.00 | cdemwell | that's hilarious, I didn't know dpkg knew that |
| 04:34.08 | daveb | dvsdude: well it worked last week. |
| 04:34.13 | daveb | oh well :) |
| 04:34.14 | varsendagger | dpkg is pretty smart |
| 04:34.14 | cdemwell | wow, remote kernel upgrades |
| 04:34.17 | rapsys | Guerin: on my box it worked |
| 04:34.17 | cdemwell | ballsy. |
| 04:34.23 | rapsys | but it was a sempron |
| 04:34.29 | cdemwell | haha |
| 04:34.31 | cdemwell | sorry |
| 04:34.33 | Guerin | rapsys: you have your answer. |
| 04:34.34 | daveb | still I am logged into Gnome now, with failsafe mode. |
| 04:34.35 | paxl | Guerin: how to ask it to my box that has changed ip.. It's at like 100km of me now.. |
| 04:34.40 | cdemwell | yeah, desktop sempron != 2-way xeon :) |
| 04:34.41 | dvsdude | daveb: bugger |
| 04:34.44 | Guerin | paxl: no can do |
| 04:34.56 | Guerin | paxl: msn masks ip addresses |
| 04:35.24 | paxl | ah.. but Using icq or aim.. It be ok :) thank for the idea |
| 04:35.24 | cdemwell | Guerin: Is this a work thing? |
| 04:35.35 | deadcat | case `hostname` in<\n>pandora|hades) exec openbox;; *) exec startx;;<\n> esac look ok? i havent tested it out since i only have those 2 machines but i assume it will work. |
| 04:35.38 | Guerin | cdemwell: wtf are you on about? |
| 04:35.52 | Guerin | deadcat: help case |
| 04:35.53 | cdemwell | I'm asking if you're doing this for a job |
| 04:35.54 | deadcat | tahts in .xsession by the way |
| 04:36.05 | cdemwell | Please be more polite. |
| 04:36.09 | Guerin | cdemwell: doing what for a job? |
| 04:36.15 | Guerin | cdemwell: blease be less stupid. |
| 04:36.21 | cdemwell | er, excuse me |
| 04:36.26 | Guerin | and I'll attempt to type better |
| 04:36.32 | deadcat | Guerin: nevermind exec startx is wrong. |
| 04:36.33 | cdemwell | I got mixed up between you and rapsys |
| 04:36.42 | cdemwell | ... |
| 04:36.45 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:36.58 | Guerin | deadcat: yeah, but that won't verify your case syntax |
| 04:37.06 | deadcat | Guerin: the case is right. |
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| 04:37.32 | Guerin | deadcat: so why were you asking? |
| 04:37.33 | deadcat | Guerin: how do i exec <default manager, whatever the machine is default to> |
| 04:37.37 | deadcat | ^^ |
| 04:37.54 | deadcat | since exec startx might loop this over and over. i need it to exec default wm |
| 04:37.56 | rapsys | cdemwell: Guerin:model name : Intel(R) Xeon(TM) CPU 3.20GHz |
| 04:37.59 | Guerin | deadcat: startx will do that without an xsession file |
| 04:38.09 | rapsys | I have this two time on cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 04:38.34 | Guerin | deadcat: but the global default for the machine will be specified in /etc/X11/ |
| 04:38.41 | deadcat | Guerin: ya. but i will be having my .xsession on the machine. and for example the hostname is juno, not pandora|hades |
| 04:39.07 | Guerin | rapsys: there is no point you asking anything further until you know why the boot is failing. just go and find out. |
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| 04:39.55 | guru | is there a way to change the time that ifup waits to bring an interface up? |
| 04:40.09 | guru | i tried searching google but didn't find anything relevant |
| 04:40.20 | Guerin | guru: timeout? or what? |
| 04:40.35 | cdemwell | guru: waits? You mean the order in the boot process? |
| 04:40.40 | rapsys | Guerin: I don't understand at all |
| 04:40.45 | rapsys | the 2.6 kernel booted |
| 04:40.51 | cdemwell | rapsys: You have to figure out why it won't reboot |
| 04:41.10 | cdemwell | it's not like this is normal operation: Figure out what went wrong |
| 04:41.30 | rapsys | The 2.6 boot stop on : Oct 22 06:25:25 ns6057 kernel: IPv6 over IPv4 tunneling driver |
| 04:41.44 | rapsys | I have got a Oct 22 06:35:01 ns6057 syslogd 1.4.1#17: restart. after |
| 04:41.53 | rapsys | I don't understand why it didn't boot |
| 04:41.57 | guru | Guerin: my problem is this...i have a wireless pcmcia card and when i'm using that, i don't have a cable plugged into eth0, therefore i don't want it to wait more than 2 - 3 seconds while trying to bring up eth0; the same is true for when i'm using eth0 and not my wireless connection (wlan0) |
| 04:42.36 | guru | it's somewhat of a bother to wait (usually around 10 - 15 seconds) for ifup to attempt to bring up eth0 via dhcp |
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| 04:43.12 | guru | i hope i explained that clearly enough...perhaps my problem is with dhcp and not with ifup |
| 04:43.19 | da_twilight | how can i run a software installed in a diff linux installation |
| 04:43.31 | cdemwell | oh, I see |
| 04:44.05 | cdemwell | guru: Good question; I figure there ought to be a way to test if there's link before doing DHCP. I just hit CTRL-C in those cases, to stop dhcpclient |
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| 04:44.51 | guru | cdemwell: it's quite frustrating when you're on a laptop :-\ |
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| 04:45.03 | guru | i think i may have found something relevant though |
| 04:45.20 | nimak | whats throttle, in IRC? |
| 04:45.35 | jason | How do I make a user only able to run one command.... like rsync. Do I need to do something with the group they are in? |
| 04:45.35 | Morydd | Am I correct that 2.6.9 is the most up-to-date kernel in standard apt sources? |
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| 04:46.01 | nimak | Morydd: 2.6.12 in testing |
| 04:46.07 | guru | cdemwell: take a look at /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 04:46.11 | nimak | and .13 in unstable, if im correct |
| 04:46.36 | eps | does any one who lives in australia know where the iinet debian mirror is? ...I've been shaped and I want to update packages |
| 04:46.49 | Morydd | hmmm... |
| 04:47.05 | Guerin | eps: probably ftp.inet.com.au |
| 04:47.08 | Guerin | s/i/ii/ |
| 04:47.27 | cdemwell | hm |
| 04:47.40 | dvsdude | eps: deb ftp://ftp.iinet.net.au/debian/debian/ unstable main |
| 04:48.02 | nimak | Morydd: they changed the nomenclature, its linux-image-x.x.x-x-arch now |
| 04:48.10 | rapsys | cdemwell: It seems that ethernet device are not detected on reboot |
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| 04:49.10 | cdemwell | rapsys: Then I guess you didn't build the right modules... |
| 04:49.17 | Morydd | ah. |
| 04:49.21 | cdemwell | you can always boot off the old kernel to figure it out |
| 04:49.40 | rapsys | cdemwell: it seems modules eepro100 is needed for them |
| 04:49.55 | rapsys | I use the standard smp debian sarge kernel-image |
| 04:50.00 | Morydd | that would explain it. |
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| 04:50.08 | rapsys | it's not a own kernel |
| 04:50.27 | eps | thanks dvsdude |
| 04:50.34 | dvsdude | np |
| 04:50.35 | cdemwell | Okay, forgive me for being pushy here, but I see no mention in the kernel changelog about removing dm_mirror, and the device mapper page tells me it's supposed to be in the 2.6 kernels |
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| 04:51.15 | aliumalik | does anyone know why debian isnt using libxine 1.1.0? |
| 04:52.10 | Guerin | aliumalik: i bet the xine maintainers know |
| 04:52.35 | aliumalik | Guerin: do they have a mailing list? |
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| 04:52.47 | rapsys | cdemwell: where should I put the module name to have them loaded by kernel 2.6 ? |
| 04:53.15 | Guerin | aliumalik: debian-devel, yeah. |
| 04:53.36 | Guerin | aliumalik: the answer, of course, is "because it hasn't been packaged and built yet" |
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| 04:54.17 | aliumalik | Guerin: the thing is it is way old and we are still on 1.0.3 so there must be something other than this |
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| 04:54.57 | Guerin | aliumalik: port abd package it yourself, get someone to upload it on your behalf. |
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| 04:56.54 | dvsdude | hey ive been experiencing some issue with firefox were its not exiting cleanly and im having to pgrep and then kill it this on both of my deb installs any ideas |
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| 04:58.06 | cdemwell | rapsys: /etc/modules ? |
| 04:58.17 | aliumalik | Guerin: yeah I think I should do that...need to read up a bit on packaging |
| 04:58.18 | cdemwell | but you'd better make sure you have the modules built first |
| 04:58.27 | rapsys | I already put it in |
| 04:58.45 | cdemwell | do you have the module in /lib/modules/whatever? |
| 04:58.45 | Guerin | !tell aliumalik about nm guide |
| 04:58.57 | Guerin | aliumalik: also hang out in #debian-mentors |
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| 04:59.06 | cdemwell | that's the spirit, aliumalik |
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| 05:00.17 | rapsys | cdemwell: I have the .ko in /lib/modules/2.6.../ |
| 05:01.31 | deadcat | hey. how can i find out whats the default manager when i startx? |
| 05:01.40 | Guerin | deadcat: i already told you this |
| 05:01.46 | deadcat | Guerin: no you didnt |
| 05:01.53 | deadcat | i want to put that in my .xsession |
| 05:02.10 | deadcat | instead of exec openbox, i want exec <default manager> |
| 05:02.23 | cdemwell | rapsys: out of curiosity, is it listed in /etc/modules.conf ? |
| 05:02.33 | Guerin | deadcat: i fucking told you where to look, now look there. |
| 05:02.40 | Guerin | deadcat: it's obvious if you think about it. |
| 05:02.50 | deadcat | Guerin: /etc/X11 ? |
| 05:02.55 | Guerin | deadcat: yes. |
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| 05:03.11 | rapsys | cdemwell: yes |
| 05:03.17 | cdemwell | hm |
| 05:03.53 | deadcat | Guerin: nope. cant find it |
| 05:04.00 | rapsys | cdemwell: yes it's listed in /etc/modules |
| 05:04.02 | cdemwell | So let me get this straight: You boot the machine, and it boots but has no ethernet interfaces |
| 05:04.08 | cdemwell | I said /etc/modules.conf |
| 05:04.12 | cdemwell | which isn't quite the same |
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| 05:05.47 | deadcat | Guerin: help? |
| 05:06.08 | [Deek] | 1b0f97671508e5c4df7a87611b |
| 05:06.12 | [Deek] | blah |
| 05:06.25 | victor_ | help whit webcam in debian ? |
| 05:06.41 | deadcat | victor_: what model? chipset |
| 05:06.49 | Guerin | deadcat: man xsession |
| 05:06.49 | rapsys | cdemwell: I have this alias eth0 8139too is it normal ? |
| 05:06.57 | cdemwell | aha |
| 05:07.18 | cdemwell | I suspect that's wrong |
| 05:07.19 | Gnea | HRM |
| 05:07.34 | cdemwell | Human Rights Management? |
| 05:07.35 | Gnea | damn, mhall's not on |
| 05:07.39 | Gnea | heh |
| 05:07.43 | cdemwell | I like it |
| 05:07.48 | Gnea | vpnc |
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| 05:07.55 | luci0 | when I effect login for xdm it does not initiate interface and return for login again because this happens? |
| 05:08.56 | cdemwell | luci0: let me get this straight: When you log in through xdm, it returns you to the login screen, and you want to know why? |
| 05:09.10 | luci0 | cdemwell yes |
| 05:09.26 | cdemwell | He's from India, folks, in case you missed it earlier |
| 05:09.35 | Gnea | luci0: probably because there is no window manager installed, or the default is pointed to an incomplete window manager installation - if you have something installed, try generating a ~/.xsession file as a shell script that would run your WM, make it executable, and try logging in again |
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| 05:09.47 | cdemwell | luci0: It could be for a few reasons. Do you have any logs? |
| 05:10.14 | Gnea | cdemwell: who's from india? looks like brazil to me... |
| 05:10.31 | cdemwell | Gnea: He says he speaks some indian language, earlier |
| 05:10.36 | Gnea | so what? |
| 05:10.42 | cdemwell | people kept trying to point him to debian-br, which didn't help |
| 05:10.48 | cdemwell | I was trying to stave off another round of that... |
| 05:10.59 | Gnea | i haven't seen any reason to |
| 05:11.02 | cdemwell | Or her. Could be her |
| 05:11.12 | cdemwell | There's clearly a language barrier |
| 05:11.12 | Gnea | but to the point |
| 05:11.21 | cdemwell | which y'know, would be better to get around |
| 05:11.31 | cdemwell | he/she is doing a decent job, but it must be hard work |
| 05:11.36 | victor_ | deadcat: is chicony cif |
| 05:11.38 | cdemwell | s'all |
| 05:11.43 | Gnea | i bet luci0 is probably taking my advice and doing something useful with it |
| 05:11.47 | deadcat | victor_: que? |
| 05:11.57 | cdemwell | yeah, he/she seems to do pretty well with instructions, unlike some people in this channel... |
| 05:12.07 | Gnea | i wouldn't worry about them |
| 05:12.09 | Gnea | everyone is different |
| 05:12.16 | cdemwell | BTW, my issue with device mapper was pebcak |
| 05:12.24 | Gnea | if everyone was the same it would suck some massive donkey dick |
| 05:12.34 | cdemwell | I was using a different xterm to look in /lib/modules... and it was sshed into a different machine which had no dm_* |
| 05:12.37 | cdemwell | oops. |
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| 05:12.44 | Gnea | i had no idea. |
| 05:12.49 | cdemwell | haha |
| 05:12.51 | Gnea | :) |
| 05:17.30 | victor_ | deadcat : is marc Chicony model cif10 |
| 05:19.04 | smacnay | how does one find and use the 'xfonts-artwiz' after they have been installed? |
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| 05:20.23 | deadcat | victor_: the camera? |
| 05:20.35 | victor_ | yes |
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| 05:22.16 | Smoked1 | What is the best way to do a disk to disk backup? |
| 05:22.31 | xixor | with a disk |
| 05:22.49 | Smoked1 | err |
| 05:22.57 | Smoked1 | Does AMANDA do D2D |
| 05:22.58 | Smoked1 | ? |
| 05:22.59 | unique | if i was to add a user under the group of www (which my httpd is running with) will that user have access to /var/www/htdocs ? |
| 05:23.38 | deadcat | unique: check the perm in the dir |
| 05:23.40 | everton137 | hello all, I need some help. I am connect to Internet via dialup conection. Since today, I can not login any http homepage. I can use ssh, IRC, ftp, but not http |
| 05:23.52 | scruffy | unique: what kind of access? |
| 05:23.57 | deadcat | Smoked1: dd |
| 05:24.06 | everton137 | I am trying to connect using firefox and lynx |
| 05:24.08 | Smoked1 | unique: If the group has read rights that user will be able to read. If that group has write rights that user will be able to write.. etc |
| 05:24.47 | scruffy | everton137: can you resolve IP addresses? ($ host kernel.org) |
| 05:24.58 | Smoked1 | deadcat: will dd backup using NFS? |
| 05:25.27 | everton137 | scruffy: wynn:/home/everton> host kernel.org |
| 05:25.27 | everton137 | kernel.org has address 204.152.191.5 |
| 05:25.27 | everton137 | kernel.org has address 204.152.191.37 |
| 05:25.48 | deadcat | Smoked1: no. |
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| 05:25.51 | cdemwell | Smoked1: you mean can you write to NFS with it? |
| 05:25.53 | scruffy | everton137: what about `telnet kernel.org 80` |
| 05:25.55 | cdemwell | sure? |
| 05:26.05 | deadcat | nfs not ntfs |
| 05:26.31 | cdemwell | dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/nfs/foo/backup.hda ? |
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| 05:26.53 | deadcat | cdemwell: that works. |
| 05:27.01 | cdemwell | sure does |
| 05:27.01 | Smoked1 | sweet |
| 05:27.06 | everton137 | scruffy: wynn:/home/everton> telnet kernel.org 80 |
| 05:27.06 | everton137 | Trying 204.152.191.37... |
| 05:27.16 | deadcat | i thought you meant the other way around |
| 05:27.27 | everton137 | I think it will continue as wehen I try lynx www.google.com, for example |
| 05:27.37 | Smoked1 | I have never used nfs before but I figure it's the same concepr as netbui |
| 05:27.43 | scruffy | everton137: tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 05:28.17 | scruffy | everton137: see if you see any iptables business |
| 05:28.25 | everton137 | scruffy: wynn_ROOT:/usr/src/linux# tail -f /var/log/kern.log |
| 05:28.26 | everton137 | Oct 22 00:59:33 localhost kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 |
| 05:28.26 | everton137 | Oct 22 01:00:27 localhost kernel: PPP BSD Compression module registered |
| 05:28.26 | everton137 | Oct 22 01:00:27 localhost kernel: PPP Deflate Compression module registered |
| 05:28.26 | everton137 | Oct 22 01:38:59 localhost kernel: ip_tables: (C) 2000-2002 Netfilter core team |
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| 05:28.51 | cdemwell | Smoked1: Just FYI, NFS stands for No Fucking Security |
| 05:29.08 | Smoked1 | Well that does not sound good at all |
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| 05:29.38 | cdemwell | it trusts the client to report the effective uid |
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| 05:29.53 | Smoked1 | maybe I will figure a way to backup using sftp or scp |
| 05:29.56 | everton137 | Sorry, couldnmt I do that? |
| 05:30.12 | cdemwell | Smoked1: scp is easy to do... BUT, the encryption can seriously slow you down |
| 05:30.19 | cdemwell | er |
| 05:30.23 | cdemwell | I mean ssh, not scp, sorry |
| 05:30.27 | scruffy | everton137: are you required to use a proxy to surf the Web? |
| 05:30.44 | Smoked1 | hmm |
| 05:30.48 | everton137 | ops, sorry |
| 05:30.53 | cdemwell | here's a case where not using encryption may not be a bad plan, if you're entirely within a trusted network |
| 05:31.07 | scruffy | deadcat: how about creating a image locally of a hard disk that is on a remote machine? |
| 05:31.08 | Smoked1 | I need a secure way to backup from one box on the network to the next |
| 05:31.11 | cdemwell | I dunno, it depends on whether or not you care about it |
| 05:31.14 | cdemwell | ah |
| 05:31.21 | cdemwell | well, how secure? |
| 05:31.33 | cdemwell | like, are you worried about packets being intercepted in-transit? |
| 05:31.36 | cdemwell | If so, spend the time on ssh |
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| 05:31.54 | cdemwell | if not, meh |
| 05:31.56 | cleit0n | hi, how do i play one dvd backup in HD with mplayer |
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| 05:32.15 | cdemwell | cleit0n: Have you tried gmplayer? |
| 05:32.16 | cheal | cleit0n: ask #mplayer |
| 05:32.27 | scruffy | everton137: still having problems? |
| 05:32.50 | Smoked1 | I'm not worried about packets being intercepted because im using NAT. But still.. |
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| 05:33.17 | deadcat | if i have .xinitrc but didnt define exec wm, what will it do? |
| 05:33.18 | everton137 | scruffy: yes, I am, sorry, I have never used IRC, so I think I shoulf read the rules |
| 05:34.01 | everton137 | scruffy: where can I copy and paste the output? |
| 05:34.13 | everton137 | join flood |
| 05:34.36 | scruffy | everton137: there's another channel for it, but I forget the name |
| 05:34.40 | cdemwell | uh-oh |
| 05:34.42 | deadcat | scruffy: easier to do it the other way. like cdemwell said, dd if=/dev/blah of=/nfs/blah |
| 05:34.58 | cdemwell | deadcat: You mean Smoked1. |
| 05:35.04 | scruffy | deadcat: what if there's no room on the current disk on the remote machine? |
| 05:35.07 | everton137 | I red it, it is #flood |
| 05:35.09 | cdemwell | Smoked1: No but at all |
| 05:35.24 | scruffy | deadcat: (I'm thinking of ssh) |
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| 05:35.31 | cdemwell | the only reason to bother with encryption is if you are concerned about being "overheard" |
| 05:35.33 | deadcat | scruffy: then you can backup. |
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| 05:35.40 | cdemwell | that's a damned likely reason though |
| 05:36.36 | scruffy | deadcat: what if I have a disk attached to my machine and I want to image a remote disk to a file locally? |
| 05:36.40 | Smoked1 | exactly |
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| 05:36.56 | deadcat | scruffy: tar i guess. |
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| 05:37.09 | everton137 | scruffy: I've runned iptables -L and everything looks ok |
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| 05:37.26 | scruffy | everton137: umm.. thinking |
| 05:37.43 | everton137 | scruffy: ok, thanks |
| 05:38.26 | everton137 | scruffy: the only thing I did, from yesterday to today was add a new mouse (a USB). The old one is broken (a PS2) |
| 05:38.52 | scruffy | everton137: mouse wouldn't be a problem.. I hope. :D |
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| 05:39.23 | everton137 | scruffy: me too, but whi know? : D |
| 05:39.43 | cdemwell | scruffy: why do you need to image the disk? Isn't copying the filesystem enough? |
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| 05:40.00 | calljair | I did install a package call "etherconf" and I choose use the configuration with debconf :( |
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| 05:40.06 | scruffy | cdemwell: I actually want to wipe the disk but save the contents. |
| 05:40.17 | calljair | now I am confuse I do not know if i can edit the file or not. |
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| 05:40.53 | cdemwell | okay, well |
| 05:40.55 | calljair | when I try to edit the file is a commented caps text that said do not edit or some other "warnings" there. |
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| 05:41.08 | calljair | how I should proceed? |
| 05:41.34 | unique | how can i find out the user's group? |
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| 05:42.33 | kingsley__ | unique: grep <user> /etc/group |
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| 05:42.45 | Silenoz | hi |
| 05:43.37 | scruffy | everton137: traceroute kernel.org |
| 05:43.47 | kingsley__ | Silenoz: What's up? |
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| 05:44.26 | unique | driftcrew:*:1005: |
| 05:44.31 | unique | thats what it tells me |
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| 05:44.37 | Borg^Queen | Hey people. |
| 05:44.45 | Silenoz | just here... new to linux |
| 05:44.55 | kingsley__ | Silenoz: Welcome. |
| 05:45.01 | Silenoz | thank you :) |
| 05:45.15 | Borg^Queen | Can anyone suggest some good card games that aren't already in KDE and Gnome? I have a granny moving to GnuLinux and she's addicted to card games. |
| 05:45.42 | kingsley__ | unique: man group |
| 05:46.14 | Guerin | wtf would anyone play cards on the computer? |
| 05:46.29 | Borg^Queen | She's home bound |
| 05:46.33 | scruffy | everton137: weird.. host resolves but traceroute doesn't?? |
| 05:46.33 | Borg^Queen | and often alone |
| 05:46.43 | Silenoz | im using x-chat, is there a way to add this channel to a favorites list? |
| 05:46.50 | everton137 | scruffy: it looks yes |
| 05:47.00 | Guerin | Borg^Queen: apt-cache search card |
| 05:47.05 | Guerin | Borg^Queen: or card game |
| 05:47.17 | scruffy | everton137: cat /etc/resolv.conf (are you on ppp or dsl/cable?) |
| 05:47.18 | everton137 | scruffy: but I am a layperson concerning how such things work |
| 05:47.20 | Guerin | also try freshmeat, there might be some not included in debian |
| 05:47.26 | Borg^Queen | Guerin: thanks |
| 05:47.30 | kingsley__ | Borg^Queen: I'm unfamiliar with card games, but you might want to try "apt-cache search card and game | more". |
| 05:47.30 | everton137 | scruffy: ppp |
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| 05:47.38 | Borg^Queen | thanks kingsley__ |
| 05:48.07 | kingsley__ | Borg^Queen: You're welcome. |
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| 05:48.33 | scruffy | everton137: cat /etc/ppp/resolv/* |
| 05:48.35 | kingsley__ | Silenoz: You might want to try asking on #xchat. |
| 05:48.38 | Borg^Queen | :) |
| 05:48.48 | Silenoz | thank you kingsley__ |
| 05:49.23 | scruffy | everton137: are you *positive* 200.221.11.100 & .101 are your ISP's DNS servers? |
| 05:49.26 | kingsley__ | Silenoz: No problem. All I ask is that you put me in the will! ;-) |
| 05:49.42 | everton137 | scruffy: same primary and secondary IPS |
| 05:49.50 | Borg^Queen | GN people. Thank you |
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| 05:49.58 | everton137 | scruffy: yeap |
| 05:50.06 | scruffy | everton137: dig @200.221.11.100 kernel.org |
| 05:50.20 | everton137 | scruffy: unless they've changed from yesterday to today |
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| 05:50.44 | grendal_prime | anyone ever set up the vnc-java client ? |
| 05:50.51 | Silenoz | lol |
| 05:50.55 | grendal_prime | im a little confused as two how this works? |
| 05:51.25 | grendal_prime | i want to put it on a gateway and point it to a machine on the inside |
| 05:51.30 | everton137 | scruffy: yesterday it worked. I have had some strange messages on Setup Machine (when the RAM is tested) |
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| 05:52.29 | calljair | how can I reconfigure the network interfaces after was configured using debconf ? |
| 05:52.44 | Guerin | calljair: man interfaces |
| 05:52.51 | calljair | Guerin, look |
| 05:53.10 | Guerin | calljair: no, you look |
| 05:53.13 | calljair | Guerin, I did the installation of the package etherconf and then it configure the interfaces automatic. |
| 05:53.18 | scruffy | everton137: did you try dig? |
| 05:53.25 | calljair | Guerin, ok thank you i will read then |
| 05:53.34 | Guerin | calljair: so if you want to change what it did automatically, edit the file as per man interfaces |
| 05:54.04 | scruffy | everton137: try dig @200.221.11.101 kernel.org (although it should have fallen over to 101 earlier) |
| 05:54.06 | calljair | Guerin, but it was configured using debconf it is telling me do not edit or change the file |
| 05:54.39 | Guerin | calljair: what do you want to change? |
| 05:55.08 | calljair | I want to reinstall them again how they were |
| 05:55.09 | Silenoz | hhh' |
| 05:55.21 | Guerin | calljair: how did you get them that way? |
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| 05:56.14 | calljair | this is how the file /etc/network/interfaces look now: bremen:~# vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:56.14 | calljair | ### etherconf DEBCONF AREA. DO NOT EDIT THIS AREA OR INSERT TEXT BEFORE IT. |
| 05:56.14 | calljair | auto lo eth0 eth1 |
| 05:56.14 | calljair | iface lo inet loopback |
| 05:56.14 | calljair | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
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| 05:56.43 | calljair | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.45 | calljair | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.47 | calljair | I am so sorry |
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| 05:56.49 | Guerin | calljair: you fucking idiot |
| 05:56.52 | scruffy | everton137: edit /etc/resolv.conf, put the .101 first and it'll probably fix your problem. |
| 05:56.54 | everton137 | scruffy: now it looks better :) |
| 05:56.56 | calljair | I supouse to paste the paste bin url |
| 05:57.09 | dvsdude | or join flood |
| 05:57.10 | everton137 | scruffy: ok, let me try it |
| 05:57.14 | calljair | http://pastebin.com/401658 |
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| 05:57.30 | calljair | Guerin, you know what I mean |
| 05:57.32 | calljair | hahaha |
| 05:57.33 | Guerin | calljair: what's wrong with that? |
| 05:57.35 | scruffy | everton137: might need to reconnect to flush /etc/ppp/resolv/, not sure. |
| 05:57.37 | calljair | sorry though |
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| 05:58.03 | calljair | you see the part that start with ato lo |
| 05:58.15 | calljair | you see the part that start with "auto lo" |
| 05:58.29 | calljair | from there to the botton I edit it manually |
| 05:58.38 | Guerin | calljair: yes. |
| 05:58.46 | calljair | Guerin, but in the top tells me something like do not edit or change |
| 05:58.52 | calljair | that was before different |
| 05:59.04 | everton137 | scruffy: I did it, but it is still not working. Do I need restart something? |
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| 05:59.11 | Guerin | calljair: if you want to use your own edits, delete the debconf bit |
| 05:59.35 | calljair | Guerin, http://pastebin.com/401661 it used to be like this. |
| 05:59.37 | Guerin | calljair: your own bit looks valid, apart from the autho typo |
| 05:59.38 | scruffy | everton137: probably disconnect and reconnect to your ISP (/etc/ppp/resolv/ still has the old order) |
| 05:59.51 | calljair | ohh I see |
| 05:59.55 | scruffy | everton137: or you could just edit that too |
| 05:59.56 | everton137 | scruffy: ok |
| 06:00.00 | calljair | Guerin, probably that os the error |
| 06:00.54 | everton137 | scruffy: I am using ppp to connect, I will edit also the provider connection setup (puting .101 as primary and .100 as secondary) |
| 06:01.12 | calljair | Guerin, I am getting this error http://pastebin.com/401667 |
| 06:01.13 | everton137 | scruffe: see you later |
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| 06:02.00 | scruffy | everton137: that should work. I'm not sure if ppp grabs the order from /etc/resolv.conf and writes to /etc/ppp/resolv/provider or not. |
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| 06:02.16 | Guerin | calljair: you have two auto lo lines |
| 06:02.24 | Guerin | calljair: delete or comment one |
| 06:02.32 | calljair | Guerin, ok |
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| 06:03.45 | calljair | Guerin, http://pastebin.com/401672 now it looks like is a duplicate interface ??? |
| 06:03.48 | deadcat | Guerin: ok i got it. it aint using the default but its from a list |
| 06:03.52 | Guerin | calljair: duh |
| 06:04.04 | calljair | Guerin, but there is telling me that I can not delete the one in the top |
| 06:04.17 | calljair | Guerin, should I delete everything in the top? |
| 06:04.18 | Guerin | calljair: JUST FUCKING DELETE THE WHOLE DEBCONF SECTION |
| 06:04.19 | markd___ | hi all |
| 06:04.34 | Guerin | calljair: either use the debconf section, or use your own |
| 06:04.41 | calljair | Guerin, nice that will not damage anything right :) |
| 06:04.49 | calljair | I prefer my own |
| 06:04.50 | Guerin | don't try to mix and match, and definitely don't try to double up |
| 06:04.51 | calljair | ;) |
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| 06:05.02 | calljair | Guerin, ok |
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| 06:05.11 | guru | how do you hold back a package from being upgraded when using apt? |
| 06:05.25 | markd___ | can someone help me configure postfix+postgres to send mail to external hosts? It is recieving mail fine. |
| 06:05.33 | Guerin | !tell guru about hold |
| 06:05.39 | guru | thanks Guerin :) |
| 06:05.44 | everton_2 | scruffy: really weird! Still not working :((( |
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| 06:06.02 | Guerin | markd___: #postfix |
| 06:06.11 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:06.18 | Guerin | my capslock light is stuck on |
| 06:06.24 | Guerin | but the capslock works normally |
| 06:06.38 | scruffy | everton_2: dig kernel.org | grep 200.221.11. |
| 06:06.59 | scruffy | everton_2: also check the order again in /etc/ppp/resolv/ |
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| 06:07.31 | calljair | Guerin, nice this looks good to me :) http://pastebin.com/401675 |
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| 06:08.25 | everton_2 | scruffy: I think now it is in the right order |
| 06:08.36 | scruffy | everton_2: very odd.. can you browser the web? |
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| 06:09.10 | everton_2 | scruffy: I can not, since I can not use http protocol :D |
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| 06:09.17 | everton_2 | scruffy: I am unluck, haha |
| 06:09.59 | everton_2 | scruffy: well, thanks any way for your help |
| 06:10.06 | scruffy | everton_2: hmm |
| 06:10.44 | scruffy | everton_2: your ISP's DNS servers might be acting strange. Because at one point you were able to resolve kernel.org.. |
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| 06:11.35 | Smoked1 | What command would I use to see all connected hard disks? |
| 06:11.39 | everton_2 | scruffy: I think tomorrow I will call the ISP, but I guess I will have to pay that mother f***** |
| 06:11.50 | Smoked1 | not mounted but connected? |
| 06:11.54 | scruffy | everton_2: pay?? |
| 06:11.55 | victor_ | bolte da head |
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| 06:12.15 | victor_ | nas nander flow gitta |
| 06:12.21 | everton_2 | scruffy: yes, I have to call to a special number for linux support. taht guys are supid |
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| 06:12.33 | scruffy | everton_2: by the way, see if you can browse kernel.org now |
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| 06:12.51 | scruffy | everton_2: I'd just call and get them to verify the DNS server IPs. |
| 06:12.59 | Smoked1 | anyone? |
| 06:13.12 | everton_2 | scruffy: still not |
| 06:13.16 | scruffy | everton_2: see if you can surf this http://204.152.191.5/ |
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| 06:13.57 | dpower | can anyone point me to a guide on compiling your own kernel |
| 06:14.03 | everton_2 | scruffy: nope |
| 06:14.08 | everton_2 | :( |
| 06:14.22 | CcSsNET | dpower yes |
| 06:14.24 | scruffy | everton_2: not DNS then.. (thank god I'm not a consultant) |
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| 06:14.29 | CcSsNET | digitalhermit |
| 06:14.29 | everton_2 | scruffy: I have also tried IP instead of names before |
| 06:14.33 | CcSsNET | google that |
| 06:14.37 | dpower | thank you |
| 06:14.39 | CcSsNET | and he has a guide on his site |
| 06:14.43 | codin | hi |
| 06:15.03 | CcSsNET | also just reading the readme helps alot beleive it or not |
| 06:15.04 | scruffy | everton_2: erm.. traceroute 204.152.191.5 and see where it dies. |
| 06:15.09 | CcSsNET | the on in the tar |
| 06:15.19 | codin | at boot time, it seems that it runs a program that load all my modules |
| 06:15.21 | CcSsNET | one* |
| 06:15.22 | dpower | ok |
| 06:15.24 | codin | how can I stop that ? |
| 06:15.42 | codin | it modprobes allmoast everything |
| 06:15.44 | CcSsNET | codin goto /etc/init.d |
| 06:15.55 | everton_2 | scruffy: the same as before |
| 06:16.11 | CcSsNET | and thats where startup services are but thats not what there loadd from |
| 06:16.14 | CcSsNET | anyway brb |
| 06:16.39 | scruffy | everton_2: what is traceroute6 ? |
| 06:16.46 | gregorovius | could anyone tell me how to set a soundcard as default? set-default-soundcard doesn't seem to be doing anything |
| 06:16.54 | scruffy | everton_2: isn't that IPv6? |
| 06:17.46 | scruffy | everton_2: ifconfig | grep 'inet addr' |
| 06:17.47 | codin | so who is modprobing everything ? |
| 06:17.49 | CcSsNET | ok codin you still need help? |
| 06:18.01 | codin | please |
| 06:18.06 | CcSsNET | type lsmod |
| 06:18.14 | CcSsNET | and look at the modules loaded |
| 06:18.16 | codin | plenty of modules |
| 06:18.22 | CcSsNET | from there you can find what you dont want |
| 06:18.34 | codin | ok. and then ? |
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| 06:18.56 | CcSsNET | as for removing modules hehe, its more like not loading modules in the first place soo |
| 06:19.00 | CcSsNET | not sure |
| 06:19.01 | everton_2 | scruffy: I dont know :D I am trying to install traceroute. I thought traceroute6 was a newer version |
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| 06:19.15 | CcSsNET | but im sure a google search will help you further |
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| 06:19.26 | scruffy | everton_2: nooo.. I think that's IPv6. If so, no wonder |
| 06:20.20 | everton_2 | IPv6? |
| 06:22.22 | everton_2 | scruffy: Guy, thank you very much! I think I am going sleep |
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| 06:23.00 | scruffy | everton_2: how about `route`? the default gateway should probably equal your P-a-P in ifconfig ppp0 |
| 06:23.11 | scruffy | everton_2: OK, sorry I couldn't help more. :\ |
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| 06:23.23 | everton_2 | scruffy: no problem |
| 06:23.35 | everton_2 | scruffy: but what did you ask about route? |
| 06:23.48 | johnny_nubie_ | is there a debian package with a driver for 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] ? |
| 06:23.53 | scruffy | everton_2: how about `route`? the default gateway should probably equal your P-a-P in `ifconfig ppp0` |
| 06:24.39 | scruffy | everton_2: `route | grep default` should probably = `ifconfig ppp0 | grep 'P-a-P'` |
| 06:25.04 | scruffy | everton_2: just a guess |
| 06:25.10 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, what drivers have you tried? |
| 06:25.11 | everton_2 | scruffy: 255.255.255.255, is this what should be equal? |
| 06:25.26 | everton_2 | scruffy: actually I have no idea :P |
| 06:25.27 | scruffy | everton_2: nope.. 200.221.25.135 |
| 06:25.38 | scruffy | everton_2: just a wild guess though |
| 06:25.42 | everton_2 | scruffy: interesting |
| 06:25.47 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: I dont know, xine is telling me that I need a better xdriver - how do I see what it's using now? |
| 06:26.16 | everton_2 | scruffy: route is not using 200.221.25.135 |
| 06:26.37 | scruffy | everton_2: check #flood, looks right to me |
| 06:26.47 | everton_2 | scruffy: I did |
| 06:27.10 | dpower | lol |
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| 06:27.23 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, what version of debian are you using (sarge/stable, woody, testig/etch or sid/unstable) ? |
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| 06:27.38 | alienbrain | is there a way to dpkg -L a_not_installed_package ? |
| 06:27.55 | scruffy | everton_2: so looks like that is correct, so I'm guessing your ISP is having problems with DNS. |
| 06:27.56 | kevix | alienbrain, install 'apt-file'! |
| 06:28.08 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: the kernel is 2.6.11 now, i had an audio problem tat 2.6 handled |
| 06:28.19 | johnny_nubie_ | it was sarge yes |
| 06:28.31 | everton_2 | scruffy: so my conclusion is that the ISP is with problems tiday, specifically |
| 06:28.52 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
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| 06:29.01 | everton_2 | scruffy: ok, 2morrow I will try this |
| 06:29.01 | alienbrain | kevix, um, -L is supposed to list the contents of the package, not install it |
| 06:29.04 | scruffy | everton_2: I take that back, I can query both .100 and .101 just fine.. |
| 06:29.21 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: 3.1 |
| 06:29.23 | kevix | alienbrain, then install 'apt-file' |
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| 06:29.33 | scruffy | everton_2: so it looks like its just you.. the traceroute6 thing is probably related, I don't know. |
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| 06:29.44 | everton_2 | scruffy: is there some difference on the order .100 or .101 in the /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 06:30.20 | alienbrain | kevix, oh I got it! thanks |
| 06:30.23 | scruffy | everton_2: shouldn't be. At worst, the query would take longer because the first one could timeout, but it shouldn't fail, no. |
| 06:30.28 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, then 'grep Driver /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 06:30.43 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: this is where i'm coming from http://channels.debian.net/paste/942 |
| 06:31.01 | kevix | alienbrain, the first time takes a while (depending on your bandwidth)? |
| 06:31.20 | scruffy | everton_2: you might want to run pppconfig again tomorrow |
| 06:31.21 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix it says vesa |
| 06:31.41 | everton_2 | scruffy: ok, let us do that. Thank you again :) |
| 06:31.45 | scruffy | everton_2: maybe that will sort out the problem. |
| 06:31.52 | scruffy | everton_2: hope you get it fixed.. |
| 06:32.11 | everton_2 | scruffy: thanks. I hope too :P See you |
| 06:32.21 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, ok then you can try 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' (use simple or medium option depening on how much info you have on your video card and monitor) |
| 06:32.34 | kevix | !xserver-xfree86 |
| 06:32.54 | alienbrain | kevix, no problem here :-) |
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| 06:33.24 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, vesa is the 'basic and safe' driver (and the slowest). |
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| 06:33.47 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: i recall picking it, that early inthe install and I had no clue |
| 06:33.48 | alienbrain | kevix, not so speedy, but at least not dialup |
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| 06:34.53 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, picking vesa in not a bad thing. I makes sure you can at least use X! later you can then reconfigure! |
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| 06:35.00 | dvsdude | johnny_nubie_: what video card do u have |
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| 06:35.32 | kevix | dvsdude, he said [Radeon 7000/VE]/ |
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| 06:35.43 | dvsdude | k |
| 06:35.45 | johnny_nubie_ | dvsdude: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE] |
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| 06:36.30 | johnny_nubie_ | what is the video cards bus identifier? |
| 06:37.12 | stew | johnny_nubie_: leave it blank |
| 06:37.13 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, if you change your video card driver, it will not do it instantly, you have to restart X to see a change (logout of kde/gnome or restart kdm/gdm, reboot or what ever) |
| 06:37.31 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: no problem |
| 06:38.10 | johnny_nubie_ | does anyone know how to fix the lack of input drivers and no mrl found in this link: http://channels.debian.net/paste/942. |
| 06:38.22 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, as stew says, it MOST cases you do not need to specify (bus id, memory, etc.). That's for when things get wierd x-) |
| 06:38.33 | woodland | is totem-xine a good player |
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| 06:39.38 | dvsdude | johnny_nubie_: might help http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html |
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| 06:41.05 | kevix | woodland, if you do not like it, you can install others (totem, xine, mplayer, realplayer,ffplay...) |
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| 06:41.43 | woodland | kevix, which one do yu have |
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| 06:42.55 | kevix | woodland, all of them x-) |
| 06:43.22 | woodland | kevix, can yu listen to this song http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/1q3m_BZ9C9.As1NMvHdW/http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/1q3m_BZ9C9.As1NMvHdW/ |
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| 06:44.11 | scruffy | deadcat: regarding that disk image, what about `ssh somehost dd if=/dev/hda | dd of=/some/image.img` |
| 06:44.59 | johnny_nubie_ | all you guys are awesome, i'm deep in the lcd setup thanks ! |
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| 06:45.31 | kevix | woodland, i selected realplayer as I have the realplayer plugin for mozilla* and am waiting for it to start |
| 06:45.49 | woodland | kevix, ok |
| 06:46.29 | kevix | woodland, did you get a menu asking to select 'real player or window media player'? |
| 06:46.44 | woodland | kevix, ya |
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| 06:47.53 | woodland | kevix, i have real player but when i choose it it just says 'loading ...please wait' but in win xp i can listen to these songs fro that site |
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| 06:51.58 | kevix | woodland, same thing here. It may be that we both need a newer version? I have version 10.0.4 |
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| 06:52.08 | dvsdude | woodland: http://www.musicindiaonline.com/xh/mtpf/#6 |
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| 06:52.21 | nixor_ | How can I change my ident in debian bitchx ... like the ~blah@blah.com ~blah part |
| 06:52.30 | woodland | kevix, i have the latest real player |
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| 06:54.30 | kevix | woodland, I think I found something. when I used mplayer it said I didn't have 'avisynth.dll'. think may be a clue. checking. |
| 06:54.49 | alienbrain | when installing apache's mod_php5 using apt, apt needs to remove mod_php4, how can I force it to install without removing mod_php4 ? |
| 06:55.06 | woodland | kevix, ok i just installed totem-xine |
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| 06:57.09 | birki | i have a question, can i attach someones detached screen bu using 'su root' and 'su user' and how? i tried with -r but i got 'Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/6' - please check.' |
| 06:58.43 | deadcat | scruffy: that will only backup the remote hda on the remote machine. if thats what you want sure. |
| 06:59.29 | scruffy | deadcat: how about, `ssh somehost 'dd if=/dev/hda' | dd of=/some/image.img`? |
| 06:59.52 | kevix | woodland, I have going to install the avisynth stuff from sourceforge and see it this help. |
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| 07:00.03 | scruffy | deadcat: seems to work with single files. I havent' tried /dev/hda yet. |
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| 07:00.14 | woodland | kevix, give me the link too |
| 07:00.15 | Gnea | fucking windows |
| 07:00.30 | kevix | woodland, http://sourceforge.net/projects/avisynth-linux/ |
| 07:00.56 | kevix | woodland, opps. nothing there x-) |
| 07:01.18 | ice1963 | window's what's that lol |
| 07:01.18 | woodland | kevix, google it |
| 07:01.42 | scruffy | birki: maybe -x? |
| 07:02.25 | scruffy | birki: works here at least |
| 07:02.57 | birki | scruffy: no, it is detached, but not by me, by other user, and i su to that user, and i want to attach it |
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| 07:05.47 | scruffy | birki: look at the screen man page for `-D -R' and see if that's what you want |
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| 07:08.18 | birki | scruffy: i have done this: su root, than su user, and now i want to attach users' detached screen to see if something has finished working to kill the process, but screen '-r', '-x' and '-D -R' too |
| 07:08.29 | birki | scruffy: not working |
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| 07:10.59 | scruffy | birki: doesn't work because you're on two different psuedo terminals I guess. that just has to be a screen FAQ |
| 07:11.18 | woodland | kevix, try stealing that .dll file microsoft site and then put it in totem plugins |
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| 07:11.31 | scruffy | birki: because the screen session isn't detached, etc |
| 07:13.58 | kevix | woodland, SUCESSS! I did what I usually do: examine the html page. use thing: realplay http://www.musicindiaonline.com/g/r/1q3m_BZ9C9.As1NMvHdW/play.smil |
| 07:14.09 | scruffy | birki: not sure how secure this is.. http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?threadid=338313 |
| 07:14.22 | alienbrain | is it even possible to know/read the post-install configuration that's going to be done with a package ? basicly, I'm trying to install a package that conflicts with another, but I need both of them. So i'm trying to understand the conflict, and solve it manually. |
| 07:14.25 | kevix | kevix, now if I only understood what 'harry ran' means! |
| 07:14.27 | woodland | kevix, ok let me see |
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| 07:16.03 | kevix | woodland, catchy tune! Love that india music! |
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| 07:16.15 | woodland | kevix, hey man even it works here , what the hell did yu do |
| 07:16.28 | beleys | Yop |
| 07:16.47 | woodland | kevix, whats the trick |
| 07:17.06 | kevix | woodland, if you examine the html of the page. look for 'smil' (that's a realplayer file) |
| 07:17.18 | woodland | ok |
| 07:17.26 | birki | scruffy: i changed the users' passwd and ssh as user and attach it, killed process and logout, i'll try to ask my domesticus news group for the problem |
| 07:18.05 | scruffy | birki: sorry I couldn't help, I'm 0 for 2 today |
| 07:18.22 | kevix | woodland, was just listening to 'hare rama hare krishna'. |
| 07:18.36 | woodland | kevix, ok |
| 07:19.03 | woodland | kevix, i dont see the link yu posted here |
| 07:19.30 | kevix | woodland, realplay http://www.musicindiaonline.com/g/r/1q3m_BZ9C9.As1NMvHdW/play.smil |
| 07:19.48 | encompass | how do you make a user part of a group and have how do you take a group away from a user |
| 07:19.53 | kevix | woodland, but this only be a link for one song?! |
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| 07:20.14 | kevix | encompass, addgroup ? |
| 07:20.58 | woodland | kevix, this is only one song, if yu go to musicindiaonline.com there are thousands of indian songs from 8-9 indian languages |
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| 07:21.20 | kevix | woodland, ok. maybe next time. |
| 07:22.01 | dli | encompass, or, edit /etc/group |
| 07:22.24 | woodland | kevix, so if i go to this website each time i have to play the song, do i have to add 'play .smil' to the link |
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| 07:22.59 | kevix | woodland, there maybe a better way. I have not investiaged other options. |
| 07:23.05 | woodland | ok |
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| 07:23.44 | johnny_nubie_ | wow, i've got real estate on my desktop again |
| 07:23.47 | scruffy | encompass: if you find yourself unable to exit, use :q! (if you're able to read this ;) |
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| 07:24.37 | johnny_nubie_ | ok, so xine-check is telling me i've got no input or output plugins and to reinstall xine-lib |
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| 07:25.26 | kevix | woodland, if you want to see Gnu/Linux people working on Indian language see: http://www.planet-india.randomink.org/ |
| 07:25.53 | woodland | kevix, thanx |
| 07:26.46 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, try 'xrandr' and see what options there are! |
| 07:27.34 | kevix | woodland, this seems to work on: http://radio.musicindiaonline.com/xplayer/xload.cgi?rx=old |
| 07:27.59 | woodland | ok let me check |
| 07:28.14 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: that returns this http://channels.debian.net/paste/943. |
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| 07:28.26 | kevix | woodland, its a link from the www.musicindiaonline.com main page to a 'radio' station |
| 07:28.46 | woodland | kevix, i got error |
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| 07:29.41 | kevix | woodland, the page is messed up but the music is playing. I have the mozilla realplayer plugin. do you |
| 07:30.04 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, ok. you can change to a few lower resolutions. |
| 07:30.17 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix why would i? |
| 07:30.25 | woodland | kevix, i dont know , whats the name of the plugin |
| 07:30.50 | kevix | johnny_nubie_, beats me, just an option. |
| 07:31.03 | johnny_nubie_ | kevix: 9-) |
| 07:32.22 | johnny_nubie_ | i'm trying to address a no sound in xine issue : http://channels.debian.net/paste/944 |
| 07:33.30 | woodland | kevix, so the trick to play songs on that website is to copy the link and then add 'play .smil' right ? |
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| 07:35.39 | kevix | woodland, no. go to the web page. then use the 'view source page' option. search for 'smil'. |
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| 07:36.20 | woodland | kevix, i will try that |
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| 07:38.15 | woodland | kevix, i did search, but cant find the string 'smil' |
| 07:38.15 | phyrster | is it possible to run a command every ten seconds? |
| 07:38.38 | phyrster | contab seems only deal with minutes |
| 07:38.54 | kevix | woodland, read this: http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=printview&t=1227&start=0 |
| 07:39.04 | woodland | ok |
| 07:39.19 | Guerin | phyrster: while true ; do badgers; sleep 10 ; done |
| 07:39.35 | Guerin | phyrster: if you really want something to run every 10 seconds, permanently |
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| 07:40.12 | phyrster | Guerin: I don't know how to write a script. |
| 07:40.19 | phyrster | Guerin: #/bin/bash |
| 07:40.43 | Guerin | !wayttd phyrster |
| 07:40.46 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, phyrster? |
| 07:40.47 | scruffy | phyrster: depending on what you want to run, watch(1) also might be a possiblity |
| 07:41.30 | ndr | where is the kernel-source-2.6.12 in debian distribution? |
| 07:41.35 | phyrster | scruffy: the situation is that my other internet connection disconnect about every 10 seconds |
| 07:41.36 | kevix | phyrster, all you do is write out the commands that you want to so. put them in a file. and add the 'while' loop. |
| 07:41.49 | Guerin | oh |
| 07:41.54 | Guerin | phyrster: talk to your ISP |
| 07:41.58 | kevix | scruffy, interesting use of 'watch' x-) |
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| 07:42.06 | Guerin | ndr: it's called linux-source |
| 07:42.07 | ndr | I find only the 2.6.8 |
| 07:42.15 | ndr | ok ty |
| 07:42.16 | phyrster | Guerin: the so called 'campus' network does not support linux very well |
| 07:42.20 | Guerin | ndr: stable has 2.6.8 |
| 07:42.22 | scruffy | phyrster: geeze.. well how fast will the connection process take? longer than 10 seconds I would imagine |
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| 07:42.27 | ndr | unstable? |
| 07:42.27 | kevix | ndr,then renamed it 'linux-source'! |
| 07:42.30 | Guerin | phyrster: what has linux to do with anything? |
| 07:42.32 | ndr | ok ty |
| 07:42.43 | Guerin | phyrster: if it supports tcp/ip it should work perfectly with any os |
| 07:42.54 | phyrster | kevix: "while true" like this? |
| 07:43.08 | phyrster | Guerin: no, I need to dialup, pass authencification |
| 07:43.22 | dli | Kevin`, I remember the debian source is named as "kernel-source-2.#.##" |
| 07:43.27 | phyrster | Guerin: could you quickly jot it down for me in #flood? |
| 07:43.31 | Guerin | phyrster: still, ppp is a documented protocol, and debian has good ppp clients |
| 07:43.35 | Kevin` | what dli? |
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| 07:43.44 | scruffy | phyrster: are you sure it disconnects you after 10 seconds?? That's nuts. |
| 07:44.07 | Guerin | phyrster: what command do you use to connect? |
| 07:44.07 | kevix | phyrster, 'while :; do date; done' |
| 07:44.08 | dli | Kevin`, sorry :) wrong ID |
| 07:44.08 | phyrster | scruffy: yes. |
| 07:44.29 | phyrster | due to a bad/who knows dialup client |
| 07:44.29 | dli | phyrster, is it wireless? |
| 07:44.55 | phyrster | dli: no. the so called campus network |
| 07:44.56 | Kevin` | anyone here used user-mode linux with debian? |
| 07:45.01 | Guerin | dli: name one dial-up wireless connection method |
| 07:45.04 | scruffy | phyrster: you're not using it currently, apparently? :) |
| 07:45.10 | Guerin | !anyone use usermodelinux |
| 07:45.11 | dpkg | No, no one uses usermodelinux, not even the people who use it. |
| 07:45.18 | Kevin` | lol |
| 07:45.25 | dli | phyrster, oh, I used wvdial, quite smooth |
| 07:45.26 | phyrster | scruffy: I use another computer rightn now |
| 07:45.41 | Guerin | phyrster: if you answer my question, I might be able to help you |
| 07:45.47 | Guerin | otherwise you can go on flailing |
| 07:45.54 | Kevin` | dpkg how can I use it and not use it.. you confuse me |
| 07:46.00 | phyrster | Guerin: it does not use ppp, I guess. |
| 07:46.16 | Guerin | !jatfq phyrster |
| 07:46.17 | dpkg | phyrster: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 07:46.17 | phyrster | I used the wrong term 'dial-up' , just to mean establish connection |
| 07:46.37 | scruffy | phyrster: if it is going to disconnect you after 10 seconds, I don't see how that is going to be usable at all. Perhaps I'm confused. |
| 07:46.38 | phyrster | Guerin: answerd. |
| 07:46.52 | Guerin | 16:43:26 < Guerin> phyrster: what command do you use to connect? |
| 07:46.56 | Guerin | that question |
| 07:47.09 | SimonRaven | wee |
| 07:47.45 | phyrster | scruffy: they did offer a scrappy/shitty client xsuppliant |
| 07:47.46 | dli | phyrster, do you mean dhcp? |
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| 07:48.01 | kioto | hi all |
| 07:48.21 | kevix | Kevin`, http://www.eggdrop.ch/texts/uml/ |
| 07:48.22 | kioto | there is any person that can help me with a strange behaviour of my X server |
| 07:48.24 | phyrster | Guerin: mdc-ssd and xsuppliant |
| 07:48.32 | Kevin` | kevix, what's that? |
| 07:48.41 | dli | phyrster, sometimes, it helps, after the connection estabished, you set your computer to static IP based on the dhcp lease |
| 07:48.43 | phyrster | dli: yes, it did use dhcp. but have to authenticate first |
| 07:48.48 | kevix | Kevin`, seek and you shall find. |
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| 07:48.57 | phyrster | dli: good tip. |
| 07:49.02 | kioto | when i turn on the system for the first time the System |
| 07:49.06 | Kevin` | kevix, i'm on a text console, that would take work |
| 07:49.09 | Kevin` | but |
| 07:49.11 | Kevin` | ok :/ |
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| 07:49.19 | kioto | canno start the X server |
| 07:49.24 | dli | physrter write a simple script to do it auto |
| 07:49.26 | Guerin | phyrster: ok. To run xsupplicant every 10 seconds, whether the connection is up and running or not, do while true; do xsupplicant your parameters here ; sleep 10; done |
| 07:49.33 | kevix | Kevin`, you know there are web browsers on the console. |
| 07:49.39 | phyrster | Guerin: they don't use standard network authenticatioin ware. so that's the problem |
| 07:49.48 | Guerin | phyrster: if you want to get more complex than that, I suggest you ask #bash |
| 07:49.49 | kioto | i need reboot the system and allo goes well |
| 07:49.58 | Kevin` | kevix, that's interesting.. from that I know that at least the author uses it :D |
| 07:50.01 | Kevin` | thanks |
| 07:50.07 | phyrster | Guerin: thank you. ! |
| 07:50.12 | dli | kevix: lynx, w3b? anyone even better? |
| 07:50.21 | Kevin` | links is ok |
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| 07:50.40 | sayonara | hi folks |
| 07:50.47 | liberty | w3mmee |
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| 07:51.01 | Phated | elinks |
| 07:51.24 | Kevin` | -bash: elinks: command not found |
| 07:51.26 | Kevin` | darn |
| 07:51.57 | Phated | !installit |
| 07:51.57 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 07:52.12 | Kevin` | kevix, wait a minute.. what if the author doesn't use it anymore? |
| 07:52.24 | phyrster | Guerin: ./bash: line 3: syntax error near unexpected token `do' |
| 07:52.25 | phyrster | ./bash: line 3: `do while true;' |
| 07:52.33 | kevix | dli, this is linux, use every browsers once, then choose your side in the browser war! |
| 07:52.38 | Guerin | phyrster: drop the leading do |
| 07:52.40 | Phated | phyrster: 'while true; do x' |
| 07:52.51 | Guerin | while true; do xsupplicant your parameters here ; sleep 10; done |
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| 07:52.56 | liberty | apt-get uninstall |
| 07:52.59 | Guerin | phyrster: help while |
| 07:53.00 | kevix | Kevin`, and this effects you how? |
| 07:53.11 | Kevin` | I don't know if anyone uses uml with debian |
| 07:53.11 | Guerin | liberty: itym apt-get remove |
| 07:53.20 | phyrster | Guerin: ./bash: line 7: syntax error: unexpected end of file |
| 07:53.25 | liberty | I stand hella corrected |
| 07:53.34 | dli | kevix, in the GUI battlefield, I chose firefox, undecided yet for text ones :( |
| 07:53.37 | SimonRaven | s/stand/sit/ ;p |
| 07:53.42 | liberty | my idea remains though |
| 07:53.43 | Guerin | phyrster: then you typed it wrong |
| 07:53.44 | Phated | Woot, a SimonRaven. |
| 07:53.51 | kevix | Kevin`, Gnu/Linux is about freedome. do what YOU want. |
| 07:54.01 | SimonRaven | hi Phated |
| 07:54.07 | Kevin` | I generally do |
| 07:54.09 | kevix | dli, just downloaded 'flock' |
| 07:54.09 | Phated | Ello SimonRaven, and how are we this fine day? |
| 07:54.11 | sayonara | how can i detemine the manufacturer of my ide disc without opening the computer case? |
| 07:54.13 | Guerin | hahaha |
| 07:54.15 | Guerin | flock |
| 07:54.17 | Guerin | what a joke |
| 07:54.20 | phyrster | Guerin: while true; |
| 07:54.22 | phyrster | do ls; |
| 07:54.22 | phyrster | sleep 10; |
| 07:54.25 | phyrster | that's all |
| 07:54.33 | SimonRaven | Phated: dark outside! ;p ok, you? |
| 07:54.39 | Guerin | phyrster: read the line I gave you above again, carefully |
| 07:54.39 | Kevin` | isn't flock a c command |
| 07:54.41 | dli | kevix, not in debian? |
| 07:54.41 | Phated | SimonRaven: Bahah, lovely day, coffeeing. |
| 07:54.43 | kevix | sayonara, hdparam ? |
| 07:54.46 | Guerin | Kevin`: function |
| 07:55.12 | liberty | c0ffee that's what I need |
| 07:55.16 | Phated | phyrster: Dude, how hard can it be to copy the exact line he gave you? |
| 07:55.21 | SimonRaven | Phated: nice |
| 07:55.22 | Phated | :) |
| 07:55.23 | kevix | sayonara, hdparm ! |
| 07:55.27 | liberty | a break frm the crt's |
| 07:55.29 | Phated | SimonRaven: Yeh, coffeh++. |
| 07:55.32 | Guerin | phyrster: or if you still can't figure it out, read help while |
| 07:55.44 | Guerin | man, it got cold today |
| 07:55.44 | sayonara | kevix: ok i'll try that thank you :) |
| 07:55.58 | kevix | dli, it JUST came out! |
| 07:56.10 | phyrster | Guerin: Phated; that 'done' makes me confused. |
| 07:56.13 | phyrster | now it worked |
| 07:56.16 | Guerin | i was wandering about at 3pm, in full sunlight, and the water on the street was icing over |
| 07:56.24 | Phated | Dude, it's standard syntax for while. |
| 07:56.32 | Phated | Just... use it. :) |
| 07:56.43 | Kevin` | bash is wierd |
| 07:56.55 | SimonRaven | 'weird' |
| 07:57.10 | Phated | while something; do something; done - how hard can it be? You need to be DONE with something after you DO it, no? :) |
| 07:57.13 | Guerin | exception to the i before e rule |
| 07:57.23 | Kevin` | SimonRaven I ALWAYS do that.. think i'd get it right by now |
| 07:57.24 | Phated | weird is weird - it don't follow the rule! |
| 07:57.50 | Guerin | Phated: i see we were taught by the same teachers |
| 07:57.51 | ndr | It's possible create 16 partition into scsi disk? |
| 07:57.59 | Guerin | wow, weather.com says 13 degrees |
| 07:58.01 | Phated | Guerin: Prolly, yeh. |
| 07:58.09 | kevix | sayonara, also in /var/log/messages |
| 07:58.09 | Guerin | but I know water don't freeze at 13 degrees |
| 07:58.12 | Phated | Guerin: Which might explain our fellow-Nazidom! :) |
| 07:58.17 | SimonRaven | Kevin`: :) |
| 07:58.21 | Kevin` | if you don't finish it's not an algorihm |
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| 07:58.24 | Kevin` | hence done |
| 07:58.39 | kevix | Guerin, is the C or F? |
| 07:58.49 | Phated | C, as all normal folk use. |
| 07:58.51 | Phated | *flee* |
| 07:59.01 | Phated | Guerin: Wind chill factor? :P |
| 07:59.19 | Guerin | kevix: i live in a civilised country which uses measurements which make sense |
| 07:59.24 | Guerin | Phated: no wind |
| 07:59.28 | Phated | Ah. |
| 07:59.33 | Phated | kevix: He means C. :) |
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| 07:59.46 | Guerin | the metar station is in daejeon, though, which is about 20km away and at much lower altitude |
| 07:59.48 | Phated | Guerin: OMG Korea is civilised? :) *flee* |
| 07:59.56 | Soeki | hi,, i have a sarge fresh install, intalled apache2 and then php4... aptitude showed no error but every time i browse to the site firefox tryes to download the .php :( |
| 07:59.57 | Guerin | Phated: recently |
| 08:00.11 | Phated | Guerin: Heh. Sorreh. |
| 08:00.13 | SimonRaven | centigrade, or celsius. take your pick. both are the same in terms of numbers, but how they're calculated is totally different |
| 08:00.15 | Guerin | Soeki: configure your webserver. |
| 08:00.22 | pingouin_ | Soeki: you have to edit the apache sever |
| 08:00.22 | Kevin` | Soeki check .. ya :/ |
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| 08:00.31 | bibe | Soeki : apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
| 08:00.42 | Soeki | bibe already did |
| 08:00.43 | Phated | SimonRaven: You know, I never understood the difference. |
| 08:00.53 | Guerin | silly me ... i presumed that's what he meant by php4 |
| 08:00.59 | bibe | Soeki : did you restart your server? |
| 08:01.09 | Soeki | i even restarted the box |
| 08:01.10 | SimonRaven | Phated: i used to, but i don't remember now. it's in some compartment in my head somewhere |
| 08:01.10 | Guerin | Soeki: that package should fix php for you |
| 08:01.15 | Phated | SimonRaven: Ah. |
| 08:01.50 | kevix | Guerin, kr ? |
| 08:01.51 | SimonRaven | gets unused, the brain stops keeping the pathways active, so it gets harder to access |
| 08:01.57 | Phated | Indeed. |
| 08:01.59 | SimonRaven | or something like that |
| 08:02.12 | Phated | SimonRaven: I should ask you more obscure questions, then. :) |
| 08:02.32 | SimonRaven | heh |
| 08:03.15 | Soeki | i only changed the apache port to 8080 on the apache2.conf |
| 08:03.23 | Soeki | i did not touch the rest |
| 08:03.31 | Kevin` | Soeki check the rest for php |
| 08:03.47 | Soeki | like the php.ini? |
| 08:03.54 | Kevin` | no apache |
| 08:04.15 | Soeki | it shows on mods-enabled dir |
| 08:04.21 | Guerin | kevix: yes |
| 08:04.24 | Soeki | like a php4.conf |
| 08:04.42 | Soeki | cgi.load php4.conf php4.load userdir.conf userdir.load |
| 08:05.03 | SimonRaven | Phated: my problem is that a lot of things interest me, and whatever i do i tend to do it well, so it gets hard to keep track of everything sometimes. seems like a good thing, and in a way it is, but it can get complicated rather quickly |
| 08:05.17 | Phated | SimonRaven: Nah, it's always a good thing. :) |
| 08:05.46 | Kevin` | Soeki no, IN the config file, unless debian is far different from normal.. I should probably just be quiet |
| 08:05.55 | SimonRaven | not when you get confused as hell :) |
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| 08:06.15 | Phated | SimonRaven: Just treat everything besides your main occupation as a hobby, no confusion then, and you can drop a hobby anytime you like. :) |
| 08:06.16 | SimonRaven | and i still can't do calculus ;) |
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| 08:06.26 | Phated | Heh. |
| 08:06.26 | kevix | SimonRaven, if you want to remember, just blog it! |
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| 08:07.04 | SimonRaven | kevix: eh, i know, i keep meaning to document stuff... and i have so much to learn still |
| 08:07.07 | Kevin` | Soeki it should be loading the php module somewhere in there or an included file |
| 08:07.24 | Soeki | # Include module configuration: |
| 08:07.24 | Soeki | Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.load |
| 08:07.24 | Soeki | Include /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/*.conf |
| 08:07.42 | Kevin` | hmm you can do that? neat |
| 08:07.52 | Kevin` | any errors when you start it |
| 08:07.59 | Soeki | nope |
| 08:08.10 | Soeki | it wont parse the php pages |
| 08:08.13 | Kevin` | what's in the *.conf related to php |
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| 08:08.36 | bucky | who's on first |
| 08:08.41 | Soeki | Kevin` |
| 08:08.42 | Soeki | <IfModule mod_php4.c> |
| 08:08.42 | Soeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.42 | Soeki | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.42 | Soeki | </IfModule> |
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| 08:08.53 | Soeki | sorry :$ |
| 08:08.55 | Kevin` | no load/addmodule? |
| 08:08.57 | Kevin` | and |
| 08:08.59 | Kevin` | pastebin |
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| 08:09.19 | Kevin` | oh that's probably in *.load |
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| 08:09.56 | Soeki | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so |
| 08:10.00 | Soeki | yes+ |
| 08:10.02 | Soeki | on .load |
| 08:10.13 | Kevin` | which exists |
| 08:10.18 | Soeki | yes |
| 08:10.22 | Kevin` | (.so) |
| 08:10.25 | Kevin` | *shrug* |
| 08:11.06 | Soeki | just checked again |
| 08:11.11 | Kevin` | .htaccess could concievably mess with the handling |
| 08:11.11 | Soeki | it does exist |
| 08:11.14 | Kevin` | I suppose |
| 08:11.16 | sparr | why doesnt packages.debian.org know about nvidia-kernel-2.6.12-1-k7? |
| 08:12.06 | SimonRaven | it isn't even vaguely free |
| 08:12.18 | Kevin` | Free / free |
| 08:12.38 | The_Vulture | sparr: perhaps you ought to try the nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 08:12.59 | sparr | SimonRaven: that doesnt appear to stop it from seeing other non-free packages |
| 08:13.05 | ndr | It's possible create 16 partition on scsi disk? |
| 08:13.10 | sparr | The_Vulture: thats not the package im interested in |
| 08:13.15 | bucky | sparr which version of debian are you using? |
| 08:13.33 | The_Vulture | sparr: it's the package that'll allow you to build a kernel-specific nvidia-kernel package, which is what you want.. |
| 08:13.48 | sparr | The_Vulture: what makes you think thats what i want? |
| 08:13.51 | sparr | bucky: unstable |
| 08:14.43 | The_Vulture | sparr: ok, take the answers you've already got then. nvidia-kernel-2.6.12-1-k7 isn't on the servers because it can't be distributed, licensing and all that. |
| 08:14.52 | The_Vulture | If you want such a package, you can build it yourself as I mentioned. |
| 08:15.07 | sparr | The_Vulture: ok, whats special about nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-k7 ? |
| 08:15.11 | sparr | which IS listed |
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| 08:15.25 | sparr | i dont want the package |
| 08:15.28 | Soeki | Kevin` http://pastebin.com/401711 <--- this is what i get when browsing to index.php |
| 08:15.29 | sparr | i want to find info about the package |
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| 08:15.36 | bucky | for some reason it's available in the 2.4 kernel in the non-free section |
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| 08:16.10 | Kevin` | Soeki that looks rather odd |
| 08:16.11 | sparr | bucky: its available in 2.6 as well |
| 08:16.19 | sparr | its just not listed on packages.debian.org |
| 08:16.24 | sparr | which leads us back to my original question |
| 08:16.31 | bucky | not as a binary |
| 08:16.32 | Kevin` | Soeki unless my browser is parsing incorrectly |
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| 08:16.40 | The_Vulture | sparr: "available in 2.6" in what sense? |
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| 08:16.57 | Soeki | Kevin` try it |
| 08:16.58 | kevix | !module-assistant |
| 08:16.59 | dpkg | from memory, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 08:16.59 | b0nn | can someone point me to a good tutorial for setting up an NFS server |
| 08:17.01 | The_Vulture | I'm pretty sure it's not in any Debian package repository.. |
| 08:17.05 | SimonRaven | sparr: as you know, they're not a part of debian |
| 08:17.13 | Soeki | Kevin` --> http://201.242.163.187:8080/adminbot/index.php |
| 08:17.20 | Kevin` | Soeki echo "<?php phpinfo();" >>something.php |
| 08:17.22 | sparr | The_Vulture: in the sense that i can "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6.12-1-k7" |
| 08:17.28 | SimonRaven | sparr: that package is usually generated, anyway |
| 08:17.40 | bucky | there is, for example a nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-k7 but not a nvidia-kernel-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 08:17.42 | kevix | sparr, use 'module-assistant' |
| 08:17.52 | liberty | go to nvidia.com do there docs click on what they say |
| 08:17.58 | The_Vulture | sparr: could be using a non-standard source.. |
| 08:18.06 | sparr | The_Vulture: im using ftp.us.debian.org |
| 08:18.10 | Kevin` | kevin@kevinl:/etc/apache$ curl http://201.242.163.187:8080/adminbot/index.php |
| 08:18.10 | Kevin` | <br /> |
| 08:18.10 | Kevin` | <b>Parse error</b>: parse error, unexpected T_STRING, expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION |
| 08:18.21 | liberty | i won't say it twice |
| 08:18.44 | Phated | Hmm. The_Vulture looks familiar. |
| 08:18.47 | sparr | liberty: if i use the nvidia.com way then suddenly i find myself ignored by the few people here ever willing to help |
| 08:18.51 | The_Vulture | sparr: And you haven't built/installed that package yourself at any time? |
| 08:18.54 | The_Vulture | Phated: g'day |
| 08:18.55 | Soeki | Kevin` so its working ? all i have is bad syntax? |
| 08:18.57 | sparr | The_Vulture: correct |
| 08:19.02 | Phated | The_Vulture: Ello, mate, long time no see? |
| 08:19.07 | liberty | yeah but it forces you to get the headers and all that |
| 08:19.09 | Kevin` | Soeki it seems so.. |
| 08:19.15 | The_Vulture | Phated: Yeah, just taking a break from not writing my thesis which is due in two weeks :) |
| 08:19.29 | Phated | The_Vulture: Woo, a Thesis. Big work! :D |
| 08:19.41 | Soeki | let me try another index.php |
| 08:19.43 | The_Vulture | honours thesis, not the crazyness of a PhD or masters or anything |
| 08:19.48 | Phated | Oo. |
| 08:19.52 | The_Vulture | sparr: beats me |
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| 08:20.09 | liberty | sparr, the doc CAN be hard to read. Read what you can. |
| 08:20.10 | sparr | kevix: i fail to see how module-assistant could possibly help |
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| 08:20.34 | sparr | liberty: ive read the whole thing. im thoroughly familiar with installing the drivers from nvidia, building the kernel module myself, etc |
| 08:20.39 | kevix | sparr, have you ever used it? |
| 08:20.44 | aum | hi all - quick o/t ques: OOo2 - leet or suck? |
| 08:20.45 | sparr | kevix: yes |
| 08:20.59 | reter | how can i check what kind of processor i have? |
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| 08:21.01 | bucky | !irritate aum |
| 08:21.02 | dpkg | aum: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? who uses kde hello? |
| 08:21.18 | kevix | sparr, are you trying to get/install nvidia kernel modules? |
| 08:21.24 | sparr | kevix: no |
| 08:21.54 | liberty | i think he wants the nvidia-kernel? |
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| 08:21.55 | reter | how can i know what kind of processor i have? |
| 08:22.05 | kevix | reter, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:22.09 | Kevin` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:22.37 | valdyn_ | sparr: nothing special about it, its just the one and only precompiled debian package for the nvidia kernel module, for the default debian kernel |
| 08:22.41 | kevix | liberty, and what does one do once he has the nvidia-kernel... |
| 08:22.45 | Kevin` | reter alternately, for old ones, look at it ;) |
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| 08:22.57 | liberty | but i could be wrong, I just walked in with coffee. and the last time i dealt with nvidia was Wed Oct 12 on a FX5600 XT |
| 08:23.22 | aum | any forecast for OOo2 on deb feeds? |
| 08:23.26 | bucky | kevix, he then fires up his geforce graphics card with hardware acceleration |
| 08:23.30 | liberty | kevin, it depends if it's a binary, or a source |
| 08:23.44 | liberty | well assume source |
| 08:23.47 | Kevin` | liberty What? |
| 08:23.51 | bucky | liberty, i hope you had as much fun as i did |
| 08:24.04 | kevix | aum, I think its in various places including 'experimental' |
| 08:24.05 | liberty | hey bucky - long time. |
| 08:24.11 | bucky | howdy |
| 08:24.26 | aum | kevix: k, thx |
| 08:24.26 | liberty | hell i dunno what's wrong with his nvidia. I try to help |
| 08:24.27 | reter | kevin: what about ram? how can i check how much ram it has? |
| 08:24.39 | Kevin` | free |
| 08:24.49 | Kevin` | or kernel messages |
| 08:24.57 | kevix | liberty, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 08:25.12 | kevix | liberty, opp. |
| 08:25.19 | kevix | reter, cat /proc/meminfo |
| 08:25.26 | sparr | im stuck with two equally unpleasant possibilities. one, i just wait for official packages for newer drivers. this means im stuck unable to play my favorite games for a few more months. two, i install straight from nvidia, and everyone here laughs at me next time i ask for help and i have to admit i didnt do it "the debian way" |
| 08:25.49 | valdyn_ | sparr: why would you need 'newer' packages at all? |
| 08:25.57 | reter | kevix: its not in mhz |
| 08:25.58 | Kevin` | I didn't install my kernel the debian way, just don't tell anybody |
| 08:25.59 | Kevin` | oops |
| 08:26.01 | liberty | sparr. I slightly didn't do the "debian way. " |
| 08:26.08 | Soeki | Kevin` i think that script asks for php5, how can i set it up sarge? |
| 08:26.11 | liberty | i did the OLD way |
| 08:26.14 | sparr | valdyn_: for newer drivers... |
| 08:26.15 | Soeki | on sarge* |
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| 08:26.21 | kevix | sparr, did module-assistant not work for you? |
| 08:26.22 | valdyn_ | sparr: so? why? |
| 08:26.22 | reter | kevix: i mean MB |
| 08:26.23 | bucky | liberty, one thing i did was echo "alias char-major-195* nvidia" > /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc |
| 08:26.30 | Kevin` | Soeki dunno |
| 08:26.51 | liberty | bucky it was HELLA spinnin in glxgears |
| 08:26.52 | sparr | kevix: module-assisnt works fine. it is perfectly adequate for building and installing the months-out-of-date driver source available in packages |
| 08:26.56 | valdyn_ | sparr: debian WILL NOT provide you with precompiled nvidia kernel modules for something else than 2.4.27. |
| 08:27.05 | bucky | liberty, and make sure i used the same compiler as i used for the kernel |
| 08:27.06 | sparr | valdyn_: thats fine, i can compile my own |
| 08:27.17 | kevix | sparr, ok. I see the issue. |
| 08:27.20 | Phated | Ehm, why does nvidia one-liner not work for whoever it is who needs the dratted things? |
| 08:27.22 | bucky | liberty, 5700 is nice card |
| 08:27.27 | valdyn_ | sparr: now what's your problem then? |
| 08:27.36 | Soeki | does anyone knows how to install php5 on Sarge? |
| 08:27.36 | Kevin` | Soeki i'd probably install it from source, and mess debian's cleaness up in the process |
| 08:27.40 | Kevin` | so "dunno" |
| 08:27.55 | sparr | valdyn_: the sources in packages are old. and lazy game developers always require "install newest drivers" as the first troubleshooting step |
| 08:28.09 | liberty | bucky, check this out, (i even blogged it) on a windows upgrade for nvidia, it BSOD'd hella bad with BAD_POOL_CALLER hahahah |
| 08:28.13 | bucky | and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg see my nvidia module for some reason |
| 08:28.14 | valdyn_ | sparr: they are barely different at all from the 'latest' |
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| 08:28.24 | liberty | so linux working, is a Sweet thing |
| 08:28.28 | RashIn | hi all |
| 08:28.30 | sparr | valdyn_: barely is all it takes |
| 08:28.36 | valdyn_ | sparr: i doubt it |
| 08:28.44 | sparr | valdyn_: although its getting worse. debian is about 600 builds behind at this point |
| 08:28.44 | RashIn | there's somebody who speak italian? |
| 08:28.55 | valdyn_ | sparr: one build to be precise |
| 08:28.57 | Phated | !it |
| 08:28.57 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it , (anche /j #linux-it ). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 08:29.00 | RashIn | !it |
| 08:29.05 | bucky | liberty, no doubt.. my little windows admin buddy at the college did a windows update now his box crashes a lot |
| 08:29.10 | liberty | bucky, just saying. even the windows install for nvidia is a CRAP shoot |
| 08:29.25 | liberty | i rolled back, no problems at all. |
| 08:29.46 | liberty | but that new driver... bad |
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| 08:30.29 | deadcat_ | sshonly.sytes.net/stmp/persuasive <-- help out with the FIX part please |
| 08:30.32 | valdyn_ | !info nvidia-kernel-source sarge |
| 08:30.34 | valdyn_ | !info nvidia-kernel-source sid |
| 08:30.36 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 1361 kB, Installed size: 1404 kB |
| 08:30.39 | sparr | valdyn_: err, 7174, 7664, 7667, 7676. thats 4 releases, 502 builds. |
| 08:30.41 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7174-4 (sid), Packaged size: 1362 kB, Installed size: 1404 kB |
| 08:30.45 | liberty | the thing is nvidia is closed source |
| 08:30.54 | bucky | i just do those two things with the installer at nvidia.com and edit xorg.conf changing nv to "nvidia" and comment out "dri" at the top and at the bottom of the file then |
| 08:30.58 | sparr | err, 3 releases :) |
| 08:31.20 | sparr | bucky: i used to do that, til i discovered that everyone here capable of helping with nvidia drivers refuses to help if you do that. |
| 08:31.23 | Soeki | yay |
| 08:31.25 | liberty | bucky, close to mine, cept xfree86 |
| 08:31.32 | Gnea | hrm |
| 08:31.32 | Soeki | yo, Kevin` check this out |
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| 08:31.39 | Soeki | http://forums.rimuhosting.com/forums/showthread.php?t=120 <--- testing right now |
| 08:31.39 | valdyn_ | sparr: right, a newer one is just in experimental ( yet ) |
| 08:31.44 | Kevin` | Soeki ? |
| 08:31.45 | Gnea | why does lkl not see the keymap... |
| 08:31.59 | deadcat | anyone interested in helping me out on my linux speech? |
| 08:32.10 | Kevin` | linux speech? |
| 08:32.10 | sparr | !info nvidia-kernel-source experimental |
| 08:32.14 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source: (NVIDIA binary kernel module source), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.7676-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 1398 kB, Installed size: 1440 kB |
| 08:32.14 | mkl1525 | Hi, have installed a samsung clp-510 printer using cups in two different configurations (tray1 and tray2). When I try to print from a win client cups writes to its error_log "ProcessIPPRequest: missing printer-uri or job-uri attribute!" I double checked the printer uri and it's the same so maybe something goes wrong with the job uri - does anybody know where I could look at? |
| 08:32.16 | bucky | what's the /msg dpkg for the factoid on the md5sum for xorg.conf |
| 08:32.24 | shay | deadcat, sure, but in another channel :P |
| 08:32.28 | sparr | ok |
| 08:32.33 | deadcat | shay: what chan is that? |
| 08:32.36 | sparr | time to re-learn how to get packages from experimental |
| 08:32.41 | Phated | bucky: x md5sum, perhaps? |
| 08:32.42 | deadcat | #flood then? (= |
| 08:32.42 | shay | deadcat, you choose |
| 08:32.56 | shay | deadcat, try #linpeople or something :P |
| 08:32.57 | kevix | deadcat, I use 'festival' |
| 08:33.02 | liberty | bucky, even whatever the worst that happens is forced back to console and vga, and really that's not a problem for me, i like boxes like that |
| 08:33.06 | bucky | Phated, thank you |
| 08:33.07 | Phated | bucky: Of course, change XFree86.conf to whatever the xorg config is. |
| 08:33.12 | bucky | right |
| 08:33.17 | deadcat | kevix: public speaking. |
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| 08:33.21 | Phated | :) |
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| 08:33.25 | Phated | deadcat: What speaking? |
| 08:33.35 | deadcat | Phated: public speaking. a class. |
| 08:33.36 | kevix | deadcat, what is the subject? |
| 08:33.41 | deadcat | persuasive |
| 08:33.41 | Phated | deadcat: Woot. |
| 08:33.48 | deadcat | sshonly.sytes.net/stmp/persuasive <-- help out with the FIX part please |
| 08:33.52 | Phated | deadcat: Ooo. |
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| 08:33.56 | deadcat | heres what i have. i need help on the FIX part |
| 08:33.58 | valdyn_ | sparr: that one works for me |
| 08:34.11 | sparr | valdyn_: im going to try installing from experimental |
| 08:34.11 | Phated | deadcat: The DDOS but? |
| 08:34.13 | Phated | bit. |
| 08:34.24 | deadcat | Phated: ya. (= |
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| 08:34.37 | liberty | bucky, burn the old working drivers to a dvd.. ;o) |
| 08:34.38 | deadcat | statistic? or rephrase the sentence. |
| 08:34.41 | shay | <3 firefox's highlight |
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| 08:34.47 | bucky | liberty, lol |
| 08:34.56 | shay | deadcat, aren't you going to talk about licenses and such? |
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| 08:35.11 | shay | deadcat, philosophy, idiology, etc |
| 08:35.12 | Phated | deadcat: 'Personal computers are being compromised by malicious users and used in groups to attack corporate networks. This is known as a Distributed Denial of Service attack.' |
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| 08:35.43 | falmarian | could somebody e-mail me their /etc/init.d/postfix initscript? |
| 08:35.45 | Kevin` | or attack really annoying people on irc |
| 08:35.47 | deadcat | shay: they are not cs student. so i have to keep it gerneral. just the main point |
| 08:35.49 | Phated | Ideology is really best reserved for evangelists. When persuading, go for the facts. |
| 08:36.03 | shay | but again |
| 08:36.03 | bucky | liberty cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/host-bridge and see if SBA and FastWrites are supported |
| 08:36.06 | shay | it's an important point |
| 08:36.10 | shay | at least an introductions |
| 08:36.22 | liberty | the main point is they wanna hack your box for spam, and install a backdoor warez site. lol |
| 08:36.24 | shay | at least explain them what does "free" means |
| 08:36.32 | bucky | liberty then cat /proc/driver/nvidia/agp/status and see if they're enabled |
| 08:36.50 | Phated | falmarian: I'm fairly sure mine is a non-futzed-wth copy. I can pastebin it. |
| 08:36.54 | Phated | !paster |
| 08:36.54 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
| 08:37.00 | valdyn_ | i dont think its recommended to mess with these |
| 08:37.05 | falmarian | Phated, I'd appreciate that |
| 08:37.06 | valdyn_ | ( agp settings ) |
| 08:37.07 | kevix | deadcat, the four freedoms! |
| 08:37.12 | Phated | falmarian: Link in a few moments. |
| 08:37.23 | falmarian | Phated, muchas gracias |
| 08:37.32 | Kevin` | going to a website for a pastebin is too hard, even if it's made for the channel :/ |
| 08:37.53 | deadcat | the ideology part might be use for my philsophical speech (= |
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| 08:38.03 | deadcat | kevix: what 4 freedoms? |
| 08:38.04 | bucky | liberty, alias char-major-195* nvidia |
| 08:38.06 | bucky | liberty, options nvidia NVreg_EnableAGPSBA=1 NVreg_EnableAGPFW=1 |
| 08:38.10 | falmarian | Kevin`, you can cut and paste? |
| 08:38.14 | Phated | falmarian: http://channels.debian.net/paste/945 |
| 08:38.15 | liberty | yeah I see that bucky. |
| 08:38.21 | Guerin | Kevin`: helping people who are too fucking lazy to help themselves is hard |
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| 08:38.30 | Phated | Kevin`: Ehm? How hard is it to click ONE link? |
| 08:38.36 | liberty | just when ya think ya know... ;o) |
| 08:38.43 | bucky | liberty, anyway.. catch you later |
| 08:38.48 | Guerin | deadcat: THE four freedoms |
| 08:38.48 | deadcat | i need some statistic about the total number of windows virus, and maybe linux virus as well. i cant find those numbers online |
| 08:38.49 | bucky | nytol |
| 08:38.57 | Kevin` | I wrote a script that takes something on stdin and spits out a link |
| 08:39.01 | deadcat | Guerin: i heard. but i dont know the 4 |
| 08:39.01 | liberty | aye bucky |
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| 08:39.16 | Kevin` | Guerin that's why I don't help me, heheh |
| 08:39.39 | kevix | !four freedoms |
| 08:39.39 | dpkg | Free Software is based opon Four Freedoms. 0) The freedom to run the program, for any purpose 1) The freedom to study how the program works, and adapt it to your needs. Access to the source code is a precondition for this. 2) The freedom to redistribute copies so you can help your neighbor 3) The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits. See http://www.g |
| 08:39.40 | Guerin | deadcat: fgi |
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| 08:40.05 | deadcat | ah. |
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| 08:40.20 | deadcat | Phated: ok. i am using your statement. (= much better than what i have hehe. |
| 08:40.29 | deadcat | now help me find some statistics (= |
| 08:40.32 | Phated | deadcat: Acknowledge, acknowledge! ;) |
| 08:40.36 | Zvpun | After upgrading to xserver-xorg my mouse doesnt work anymore. Switching to a console and back (with alt-f1 alt-f7) is sufficient to make it work again. Any hints? |
| 08:40.44 | Phated | Bahah, I'd love to hear 'With thanks to Phated' at the end of a speech. :) |
| 08:40.48 | Kevin` | deadcat apache is always a good statistic |
| 08:40.58 | kevix | deadcat, can you run windows in telagu, senegali, tamil, gaelic... |
| 08:41.01 | encompass | I want to creat a group that is called rsync and all those within that group can do nothing but rsync |
| 08:41.11 | dotz | Hi. |
| 08:41.16 | Kevin` | Hi |
| 08:41.21 | encompass | in otherwords, when the user logs in the can only rsync... how do I do that? |
| 08:41.23 | kevix | deadcat, show a live cd like knoppix, ubuntu, etc. |
| 08:41.26 | SimonRaven | !four freedoms =~ s/opon/upon/ |
| 08:41.26 | dpkg | SimonRaven: OK |
| 08:41.38 | Zvpun | encompass: maybe you set shell to rsync in /etc/passwd |
| 08:41.39 | sparr | where can i find nvidia-kernel-common >= 20050829? it doesnt seem to be available in experimental |
| 08:41.40 | Kevin` | encompass man rbash |
| 08:42.07 | SimonRaven | encompass: man adduser |
| 08:42.12 | Kevin` | Heh |
| 08:42.32 | valdyn_ | sparr: apt-get -t experimental build-dep nvidia-glx && apt-get -t experimental -b source nvidia-glx |
| 08:42.38 | SimonRaven | s/he'll need to read that too, for the various settings |
| 08:42.39 | deadcat | Kevin`: i am using my ibook with ooimpress to do the speech tomorrow (in 11hours) |
| 08:42.42 | valdyn_ | sparr: ( understand this before you do it though ) |
| 08:42.53 | Phated | Woo, iBook. |
| 08:42.59 | deadcat | rbash is useless. |
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| 08:43.00 | Phated | deadcat: Eh, did I tell you I got one? |
| 08:43.00 | sparr | valdyn_: what might that do that moving my sources over to experimental didnt? |
| 08:43.00 | Kevin` | i* == expensive |
| 08:43.02 | deadcat | Phated: oh ya (= |
| 08:43.07 | encompass | rbash won't do it... they need to use the / |
| 08:43.08 | kevix | sparr, on sid I have '20050829+1' |
| 08:43.19 | deadcat | Phated: no freakin way? (= nice nice nice... speed? |
| 08:43.25 | valdyn_ | sparr: that is creating all the debian packages from source |
| 08:43.31 | seeeS | anyone know why my compiled kernel will not mount initrd device? |
| 08:43.52 | SimonRaven | forgot initrd support? :) |
| 08:43.53 | Kevin` | initrd isn't a device, but |
| 08:43.57 | Phated | deadcat: Bog-standard G4 from apple.com.sg/store and a ram upgrade. |
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| 08:44.09 | seeeS | well, the thing that has your initial devices |
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| 08:44.20 | seeeS | says something like cannot mount device 0,0 |
| 08:44.29 | deadcat | Phated: damn. nice. time to pick up a usb wireless card. i recommand zd1211 chipset. |
| 08:44.36 | kevix | seeeS, initrd is used to load modules need for root file system. |
| 08:44.37 | Phated | deadcat: Comes with airport. |
| 08:44.39 | SimonRaven | forgot initrd= statement in $bootloader.conf ? |
| 08:44.58 | deadcat | Phated: extreme. unless you dont plan to put linux then ya |
| 08:45.01 | valdyn_ | sparr: ( after you'd install those you'd still have to create the kernel module from the just create and installed nvidia-kernel-source package |
| 08:45.04 | Kevin` | (or $bootloader.lst) |
| 08:45.09 | SimonRaven | fucking worms |
| 08:45.12 | Phated | deadcat: I don't, actually, so yeah. :) *flee* |
| 08:45.23 | seeeS | nope, grub had the lines |
| 08:45.25 | deadcat | booo |
| 08:45.28 | SimonRaven | fucking winbloze |
| 08:45.39 | seeeS | it even says it expanded? the image and it was NNN KiB |
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| 08:46.07 | SimonRaven | probably forgot to add a module then, or a line in linuxrc |
| 08:46.31 | Kevin` | I wonder how much work it would be to port windows to ppc |
| 08:46.31 | Zvpun | After upgrading to xserver-xorg my mouse doesnt work anymore. Switching to a console and back (with ctrl-alt-f1 alt-f7) is sufficient to make it work again. Any hints? |
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| 08:46.39 | seeeS | oh, the working one talks about cramfs |
| 08:46.52 | SimonRaven | Kevin`: eew, keep that crap away from ppc please |
| 08:46.57 | john | What's a fast way to untar alot of files in a directory? i used to know.. something like, for i; in this do that |
| 08:47.05 | SimonRaven | ah, cramfs is useful ;) |
| 08:47.07 | kevix | Kevin`, have you kept up with apple? then are moving to x86! |
| 08:47.19 | Phated | Yeh. |
| 08:47.20 | valdyn_ | john: for i in * do; unrar $i;done |
| 08:47.21 | Kevin` | kevix ya I heard that |
| 08:47.21 | sparr | time to try restarting X (god i wish i could get a session manager working) |
| 08:47.31 | Phated | valdyn_: Misplaced ; there. |
| 08:47.40 | Kevin` | don't like it much.. want to get a ppc based computer sometime |
| 08:47.45 | valdyn_ | john: for i in *; do unrar $i;done |
| 08:47.50 | Phated | valdyn_: :) |
| 08:47.54 | SimonRaven | much better |
| 08:47.55 | kevix | Kevin`, you could run an emulator in ppc. |
| 08:48.09 | Khertz | hello at all |
| 08:48.12 | seeeS | # CONFIG_CRAMFS is not set |
| 08:48.13 | Kevin` | what would that do for me |
| 08:48.18 | Kevin` | it'd be slow |
| 08:48.20 | seeeS | well , that would do it, no cramfs |
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| 08:48.32 | SimonRaven | get a used ppc box, or go rooting around on garbage day, might find an old mac ppc box |
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| 08:48.43 | SimonRaven | seeeS: oops :) |
| 08:48.53 | seeeS | strange... i just loaded the old config |
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| 08:49.41 | Kevin` | seeeS really, if your compiling your own kernel just for that computer, why use an initrd at all? |
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| 08:50.11 | kevix | deadcat, one point. free software is available for w32 and mac. |
| 08:50.21 | Phated | free? or Free? |
| 08:50.35 | kevix | Phated, ok. FLOSS |
| 08:50.35 | Phated | And hopefully both. :) |
| 08:50.37 | Kevin` | Free, mac software costs money |
| 08:50.49 | SimonRaven | maybe he wants to netboot the box it;s for... |
| 08:50.57 | seeeS | no, it is just a laptop |
| 08:51.00 | SimonRaven | s,;,', |
| 08:51.03 | SimonRaven | ok |
| 08:51.14 | seeeS | so just compile the important stuff in |
| 08:51.14 | Phated | SimonRaven: That looked obscene. :) |
| 08:51.23 | SimonRaven | supposed to ;p |
| 08:51.26 | Phated | Bahah. |
| 08:51.37 | seeeS | hmm, im used the the alpha where you dont due to image size problems |
| 08:52.02 | SimonRaven | seeeS: yeh, a lot of people do that, unless they need an initrd, like for netbooting, or / on raid, or other weird stuff |
| 08:52.15 | deadcat | kevix: i have that. |
| 08:52.16 | Khertz | hey, i have a doubt |
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| 08:52.32 | Phated | Clarify away! |
| 08:52.37 | deadcat | i cant find the total number of windows viruses |
| 08:52.39 | Khertz | why the kernel-source 2.6.11 was removed from sid repository? |
| 08:52.40 | Khertz | :-S |
| 08:52.50 | deadcat | Khertz: linux-source ? |
| 08:52.51 | Kevin` | deadcat I posted a url with the statistics you wanted |
| 08:52.56 | Kevin` | a long time back |
| 08:52.57 | Phated | deadcat: They haven't invented a number big enough! :) |
| 08:53.06 | deadcat | Phated: hehe |
| 08:53.12 | Kevin` | deadcat just before you left |
| 08:53.17 | deadcat | Kevin`: i dont see it. |
| 08:53.20 | SimonRaven | gogolplex |
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| 08:53.32 | Kevin` | deadcat well I just googled linux viruses |
| 08:53.33 | Khertz | ok, changed the name |
| 08:53.34 | Kevin` | I think |
| 08:53.41 | Kevin` | and picked #1 |
| 08:53.42 | Khertz | thanks deadcat |
| 08:53.43 | deadcat | Kevin`: i did. google sucks |
| 08:53.53 | Kevin` | well i'll look again |
| 08:53.58 | encompass | so, to make it so that people can only use rsync and nothing else... I have to create a group called rsync then have those people as part of that group and nothing else? |
| 08:54.01 | Phated | deadcat: Eh, don't say that on #d! |
| 08:54.02 | deadcat | Kevin`: thanks |
| 08:54.07 | liberty | try program exploit |
| 08:54.17 | liberty | then ya get the hits |
| 08:54.19 | SimonRaven | searching for linux viruses is like looking for a needle in a haystack |
| 08:54.31 | deadcat | Phated: you guys are too kind to google. you know they gonna turn on us.... they will |
| 08:54.36 | SimonRaven | encompass: man rbash, man adduser |
| 08:54.42 | Phated | SimonRaven: You don't see it, but it'll poke you in the arse sooner or later? |
| 08:54.49 | encompass | SimonRaven there are signitures at clamav's site to test your anitvirus |
| 08:54.49 | Kevin` | deadcat I can't select the link because 'links' uses the mouse |
| 08:54.50 | Kevin` | but |
| 08:54.51 | Phated | deadcat: Heh. |
| 08:55.04 | Phated | kevix: Tab tab tab. |
| 08:55.06 | SimonRaven | encompass: yes, i know |
| 08:55.09 | deadcat | Kevin`: use a better browser |
| 08:55.11 | encompass | or with debian actually |
| 08:55.12 | Kevin` | really, google it, without quotes, and click the first link, theregister article |
| 08:55.23 | deadcat | Kevin`: i have that article. |
| 08:55.24 | john | valdyn_: thank you. |
| 08:55.32 | SimonRaven | Phated: heheh |
| 08:55.32 | deadcat | Kevin`: it doesnt say how many. |
| 08:55.33 | Kevin` | it has statistics |
| 08:55.38 | liberty | SimonRaven: I home not turn on us |
| 08:55.40 | Kevin` | well on my screen it does |
| 08:55.43 | encompass | sigh, how do I make rsync as part of a group? |
| 08:55.44 | Kevin` | and it's a good read :) |
| 08:55.49 | SimonRaven | liberty: eh? |
| 08:55.50 | encompass | so I can control its use |
| 08:55.58 | Kevin` | chgrp |
| 08:55.59 | liberty | SimonRaven: google |
| 08:56.04 | SimonRaven | info chmod, info chown |
| 08:56.13 | Phated | SimonRaven: Of course, it's better than searching for Windows viruses, which is like searching for a needle in a needlestack. You'll find more than you ever wanted, and it's painful, too. |
| 08:56.16 | deadcat | Kevin`: 60,000? thats it? |
| 08:56.16 | encompass | ok |
| 08:56.25 | SimonRaven | Phated: oh yeh =) |
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| 08:56.35 | azeem | encompass: how will you prevent users from compiling there own rsync binary? |
| 08:56.45 | liberty | SimonRaven: not that there ain't other ways to search |
| 08:56.51 | encompass | I wnat them to use nothing but rsync |
| 08:56.53 | encompass | thats it |
| 08:56.53 | kevix | deadcat, did you read the info about how it takes less than 15 mins for a new install of windows to get a virus once its connected to the net. |
| 08:56.58 | deadcat | encompass: you want rssh maybe. rbash is easy to exploit |
| 08:57.00 | Kevin` | deadcat ya, dunno how accurate that is, you could verify with an antivirus site or just assume it's correct |
| 08:57.02 | deadcat | even i know how |
| 08:57.04 | azeem | encompass: ah |
| 08:57.11 | Phated | deadcat: Why not just straight ssh? :) |
| 08:57.20 | encompass | so that users that need to do a backup can do nothing but that |
| 08:57.28 | deadcat | Phated: i think he wants a restricted shell for a user or something |
| 08:57.33 | Phated | deadcat: Oh. |
| 08:57.35 | encompass | they ssh in with rsync |
| 08:57.37 | sparr | no luck with installing from experimental, somehow im still using the (should be gone by now) 7174 drivers |
| 08:57.55 | liberty | SimonRaven: the day google turns against us is the day I run 24/7 the phplab search |
| 08:57.59 | Kevin` | encompass fyi, rsync is usable without a shell |
| 08:58.06 | deadcat | encompass: i am doing that myself. (= except i allow a 10sec time frame for that account to login and backup. with rbash as well. |
| 08:58.10 | Kevin` | using an RSYNC server |
| 08:58.23 | Kevin` | 10 seconds to backup? |
| 08:58.27 | SimonRaven | liberty: won't matter much in like 10-20 years anyway |
| 08:58.32 | deadcat | Kevin`: 10 sec to ssh in |
| 08:58.48 | encompass | I have a passwordless encrypted login, they can rsync |
| 08:58.58 | Zvpun | After upgrading to xserver-xorg (Debian/Testing) my mouse doesnt work anymore. Switching to a console and back (with ctrl-alt-f1 alt-f7) is sufficient to make it work again. Any hints? |
| 08:58.59 | liberty | SimonRaven: then I'll just have to retire. lol |
| 08:59.22 | encompass | but I figure one of these days I will get a script kiddy looking around for stuff so I want to stop that... what did you do again? |
| 08:59.30 | encompass | I don't understand |
| 08:59.32 | SimonRaven | liberty: hopefully my family and i will be elsewhere by then |
| 08:59.50 | Kevin` | encompass why can't you use rsync protocol, encryption? |
| 08:59.59 | SimonRaven | ssh+rsync |
| 09:00.02 | encompass | I do... |
| 09:00.14 | liberty | SimonRaven: funny you should say that. I was thinking that pretty soon I should leave too. (and no i ain't in florida/louisana) |
| 09:00.18 | Kevin` | I mean, do you need encryption |
| 09:00.18 | encompass | but you can ssh in without a password |
| 09:00.23 | encompass | yes |
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| 09:00.38 | encompass | this is a 1 terabyte server with 20 companies using it |
| 09:00.41 | Kevin` | I wonder if you could use ssl+rsync |
| 09:00.43 | deadcat | encompass: they mean rsync server. not rsync client |
| 09:00.51 | shay | Kevin`, there's rsyncripto |
| 09:01.00 | shay | crypto |
| 09:01.19 | deadcat | encompass: didnt you hear me? take a look at rssh package |
| 09:01.23 | SimonRaven | liberty: hey, it's not like it's a conspiracy theory thing or anything like that, just observation ;) |
| 09:01.36 | liberty | damn only 1tb for 20 companies?! |
| 09:01.36 | encompass | I will look, thanks |
| 09:01.46 | encompass | windows home dir backups |
| 09:01.47 | liberty | I use 1 TB for video alone! lol |
| 09:01.52 | Kevin` | rssh = restricted or rsync |
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| 09:02.14 | encompass | thanks for the help |
| 09:02.26 | liberty | SimonRaven: exactly patterns, and history. and thats exactly what you need to predict the future |
| 09:02.30 | Kevin` | encompass couldn't someone connect to it and use rsync? |
| 09:02.34 | Kevin` | who should not be doing so |
| 09:02.41 | AoA | Somebody know how to make some BASH script echo in color ? |
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| 09:02.53 | shay | Kevin`, apt-cache show rsyncrypto |
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| 09:03.00 | kevix | AoA, escape codes |
| 09:03.05 | SimonRaven | yup. not knowing history and learning from it, you're doomed to make the same mistakes over and over |
| 09:03.09 | Kevin` | shay i'm not on debian right now |
| 09:03.10 | encompass | rssh is the answer thanks |
| 09:03.19 | kevix | !color prompt |
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| 09:03.33 | shay | Kevin`, http://sourceforge.net/projects/rsyncrypto |
| 09:03.34 | encompass | !beer guys that helps me figure out how to make my world secure. |
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| 09:03.45 | SimonRaven | AoA: google for bash colour codes (might need to leave off the u in colour) |
| 09:04.12 | liberty | encompass, KNIFE the cat5 up . secure |
| 09:04.21 | liberty | where's my beer |
| 09:04.28 | Kevin` | shay that looks useful |
| 09:04.32 | SimonRaven | !beer liberty |
| 09:05.14 | Kevin` | encompass use a wire cutter instead of a knife |
| 09:05.20 | Kevin` | it may stay connected somehow |
| 09:05.50 | Kevin` | well, unless it's severed |
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| 09:06.27 | AoA | SimonRaven I googled something like : echo "^[[0;31;40mIn Color" , and I paste into basch, bat iti is still black\white |
| 09:06.48 | SimonRaven | uh, try again |
| 09:07.19 | AoA | I tried : echo "^[[0;37;40m" , and nothing |
| 09:07.26 | Kevin` | is ^ a meaningful escape character to bash |
| 09:07.36 | AoA | something is weird |
| 09:08.00 | AoA | kevin , I dont know what do you mena meaningful |
| 09:08.07 | AoA | kevin , I dont know what do you mean meaningful |
| 09:08.22 | liberty | \033 |
| 09:08.27 | liberty | [\033 |
| 09:08.31 | Kevin` | I don't think "^[" does anything.. try that ^ |
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| 09:08.48 | liberty | it;s ansi escape code |
| 09:08.57 | liberty | I prolly don't got it right either |
| 09:09.12 | servus | AoA: echo -e "\e[0;33mhi" |
| 09:09.13 | liberty | like back in the bbs days. |
| 09:09.18 | kevix | Aoa, try this echo -ne "\033[0;37;40m" |
| 09:09.18 | Kevin` | well it does nothing on standard linux console, what he originally posted |
| 09:09.29 | servus | Mine is better:> |
| 09:09.37 | Kevin` | servus how do I make it not red ;) |
| 09:09.51 | Phated | You have to change it back to white, of course. |
| 09:09.53 | servus | echo -e "\e[0mThis is not red." |
| 09:10.00 | AoA | servus , kevix , IT WORKS, thanks ! |
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| 09:10.05 | Kevin` | yay |
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| 09:10.59 | servus | \e[0m is what you want to 'reset' the curse. |
| 09:11.15 | liberty | man i can't belive I don't have thedraw and acid anymore! |
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| 09:11.39 | BladeRunner05 | Hi all, how do I uncompress a file named .tar.bz2 |
| 09:11.41 | BladeRunner05 | ? |
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| 09:11.45 | servus | tar xvvjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 09:11.47 | SimonRaven | !tar |
| 09:11.47 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
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| 09:12.09 | BladeRunner05 | ok |
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| 09:12.15 | Phated | vv is superfluous. :) |
| 09:12.29 | servus | That's the point. |
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| 09:12.44 | servus | I like that much output. |
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| 09:13.14 | BladeRunner05 | i try xjf foo.tar.bz2 didn't works |
| 09:13.18 | Phated | Whatever pumps your gas, eh. :) |
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| 09:13.31 | pumpkin0 | bunzip2 foo.tar.bz2 ? |
| 09:13.35 | Phated | BladeRunner05: 'tar xjf'. It's not hard to master. |
| 09:13.37 | SimonRaven | on a 50 MB tarball, that just slows things down. if i want to see what's inside, i run it with [zj]tf first |
| 09:13.38 | Kevin` | BladeRunner05 file foo.tar.bz2 |
| 09:13.46 | liberty | xjf? no tar? |
| 09:13.51 | BladeRunner05 | yes |
| 09:13.54 | Phated | Yeesh. |
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| 09:13.58 | BladeRunner05 | i try tar xjf foo.tar.bz2 didn't works |
| 09:13.58 | paul_ | hi |
| 09:14.00 | liberty | e.g. tar xjf file |
| 09:14.09 | Phated | 'didn't works'. Explain. |
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| 09:14.10 | Kevin` | BladeRunner05 file foo.tar.bz2 |
| 09:14.20 | liberty | which tar (is it installed?) |
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| 09:14.21 | paul_ | where to add iptables rules for autoload on boot? |
| 09:14.30 | cahoot | $1 it's a .html |
| 09:14.39 | SimonRaven | paul_: /usr/share/doc/iptables/examples |
| 09:14.40 | BladeRunner05 | ok works sorry I have to install bzip2 |
| 09:14.41 | BladeRunner05 | thanku |
| 09:14.42 | liberty | or bunzip |
| 09:14.46 | pumpkin0 | BladeRunner05: bunzip2 foo.tar.bz2; tar xf foo.tar ? |
| 09:14.47 | Phated | ... doh. |
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| 09:15.21 | liberty | pumkin dialed that |
| 09:15.25 | Kevin` | bad to do that if you want to keep the original archive.. or not waste a ton of space |
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| 09:16.29 | liberty | mc can extract it |
| 09:16.42 | Kevin` | mc can do lots of things |
| 09:16.47 | Phated | Folks, it works already. Leave it alone and go hack on something else. :) |
| 09:17.27 | liberty | mc is interesting program to study |
| 09:17.28 | Kevin` | Phated horse isn't quite dead yet |
| 09:17.38 | Phated | Heck yes it is. |
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| 09:17.52 | Kevin` | are you sure? .. ok |
| 09:17.53 | liberty | you can find hell of commands that it does in there, and make your own too! |
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| 09:18.37 | Kevin` | the only time i've really used mc was on a pda (with ssh) |
| 09:18.47 | Kevin` | the pen thing worked though, which was neat |
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| 09:19.45 | liberty | hmm, mc is usually one of the first things i put up on a foreign system |
| 09:19.55 | liberty | quickly can learn how it works |
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| 09:20.06 | SimonRaven | me too. mc r0x0rs my s0x0rs |
| 09:20.20 | Kevin` | I thought a rootkit would be the first thing you .. |
| 09:20.33 | SimonRaven | -_- |
| 09:20.59 | Phated | Heh. |
| 09:21.17 | liberty | well it's down to a virus now... ;o) |
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| 09:21.26 | Kevin` | ? |
| 09:21.40 | Horde | hey, uhm how do i start GNOME? |
| 09:21.52 | Kevin` | gnome-session |
| 09:22.00 | dotz | Horde: Don't do it. |
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| 09:22.09 | Horde | dont do it? |
| 09:22.10 | SimonRaven | 2 cables, and a 12 V car battery |
| 09:22.13 | Horde | do what? |
| 09:22.46 | dotz | Don't run GNOME. It's... grey. |
| 09:22.49 | Horde | simon: tried taht approach but my hair wont stop sticking up now |
| 09:23.08 | Kevin` | 12v shouldn't make your hair stick up |
| 09:23.13 | Kevin` | you did something wrong |
| 09:23.15 | Kevin` | try again |
| 09:23.22 | Horde | kevin: no but my fingers are all tingely |
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| 09:23.41 | SimonRaven | Horde: not on yourself, silly =) |
| 09:23.45 | Kevin` | again, 12v shouldn't cause much current flow unless you stab yourself |
| 09:23.47 | liberty | he's runnin 12v through a hella-wound-tessla-coil with transistors to tune it |
| 09:23.53 | SimonRaven | indeed |
| 09:23.56 | Kevin` | liberty Ah |
| 09:23.58 | SimonRaven | hehehe |
| 09:24.08 | SimonRaven | 'tesla' |
| 09:24.08 | Horde | how did you know? |
| 09:24.23 | Kevin` | Horde the hair/fingers |
| 09:24.24 | kevix | Horde, did you install gdm? |
| 09:25.10 | Horde | kevix: yeah i think i did, i went through this set up thing |
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| 09:25.51 | kevix | Horde, and it didn't log you into gnome? |
| 09:25.52 | tarzeau | error403: well you have read man ps about zombi/defunct or not? |
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| 09:26.42 | Horde | ok i type "gnome-session:" and i get this error "(gnome-session :3258): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 09:26.57 | deadcat | damn. how do i make the freakin ooimpress NOT to make the links blue? the default bg is blue.. what a bunch of morons. stupid impress |
| 09:26.58 | SimonRaven | you need to start it via your ~/.xsession file |
| 09:27.05 | Kevin` | what's the most spectacular way to kill a linux install? |
| 09:27.10 | SimonRaven | !tell Horde -about xsession |
| 09:27.14 | kevix | !xinit |
| 09:27.15 | Kevin` | (and not the computer) |
| 09:27.23 | deadcat | Kevin`: press power button |
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| 09:27.35 | petemc | Kevin`: rm -rf / |
| 09:27.50 | liberty | Kevin`: KNIFE the power cable with blue glow! |
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| 09:27.55 | Kevin` | :O |
| 09:28.05 | servus | Kev1: unlink /lib/libc* |
| 09:28.08 | dotz | Kevin`: look for lcamtuf's signature. The one with bash code. |
| 09:28.10 | kevix | Horde, is gdm running? |
| 09:28.11 | petemc | Kevin`: [ $[ $RANDOM % 6 ] == 0 ] && rm -rf / || echo \"You live\" |
| 09:28.14 | Kevin` | servus ooh |
| 09:28.20 | petemc | roulette style |
| 09:28.26 | dotz | Oh, the install, not the living system. |
| 09:28.30 | kevix | !startx |
| 09:28.30 | dpkg | startx is probably a script that starts the X Window System , configure X before starting it. If the rest of X seems present, try getting xbase-clients. see starting gnome, or the way god intended X to be started. Issue 'startx <command> <xclient-options> -- <server> <xserver-options>' to specify specific client to start. Session will exit when that client exits. |
| 09:28.30 | SimonRaven | find / -type -print0 | xargs rm. oo, i like that one petemc |
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| 09:28.39 | servus | It'll keep it running, but once you log out of SSH you are foobared:) |
| 09:28.47 | servus | xargs -0 |
| 09:28.58 | SimonRaven | yeh, forgot the -0 |
| 09:29.01 | servus | And -type needs a parameter, such as f |
| 09:29.11 | Horde | okies i got it |
| 09:29.24 | SimonRaven | i know, bad typing -_-. i usually type it alright |
| 09:29.29 | Horde | omg i am so psyked at my new "debian system" |
| 09:29.32 | Horde | so happy |
| 09:29.37 | SimonRaven | cool |
| 09:29.43 | Kevin` | key links has a right click menu for things |
| 09:30.10 | liberty | Horde, im with you on that. |
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| 09:32.06 | Kevin` | time for sleep |
| 09:32.06 | Horde | right now i need to get it connected up to the internet |
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| 09:32.47 | kevix | Horde, how? dialup or ? |
| 09:32.58 | Horde | uhm |
| 09:33.03 | Kevin` | "?" |
| 09:33.15 | liberty | ethernet / modem? |
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| 09:33.31 | Horde | adsl |
| 09:33.35 | Kevin` | or ethernet modem |
| 09:33.43 | Kevin` | I need to sleep |
| 09:33.47 | kevix | Horde, ppoe? |
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| 09:33.58 | Horde | dunno |
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| 09:34.14 | kevix | Kevin`, ok! 'sleep 60' |
| 09:34.29 | Kevin` | kevix too short |
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| 09:34.44 | SimonRaven | sleep 86400 |
| 09:34.45 | morluk | lo |
| 09:34.52 | kevix | Kevin`, sleep means you lack sufficient caffine! |
| 09:35.20 | kevix | morluk, eth0? |
| 09:35.22 | Kevin` | SimonRaven Ok |
| 09:35.39 | liberty | sometimes sleep means stopping the head from exploding |
| 09:35.45 | SimonRaven | a whole day? =) |
| 09:36.00 | SimonRaven | well, g'night |
| 09:36.01 | Kevin` | SimonRaven why not? |
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| 09:36.03 | Kevin` | night |
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| 09:36.20 | dotz | Hmm. |
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| 09:36.30 | SimonRaven | Kevin`: exactly, why not. i've slept like 14 hours straight sometimes |
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| 09:36.56 | Horde | so got any ideas for the internet connect? |
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| 09:37.14 | SimonRaven | run pppoeconf as root |
| 09:37.17 | liberty | identify your hardware. |
| 09:37.27 | liable | Horde: yes, tell us how you are supposed to connect and then come back. |
| 09:37.31 | SimonRaven | !pppoe |
| 09:37.31 | dpkg | hmm... pppoe is ppp over ethernet, apt-get install pppoe pppoeconf and read /usr/share/doc/pppoe/README.Debian This is rp-pppoe, but with the scripts rewritten. For PPPOE support in 2.4 kernels enable EXPERIMENTAL Features and go to Network Device Support |
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| 09:39.13 | Horde | uhm well i have a adsl modem |
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| 09:39.25 | SimonRaven | well, that's an original /quit msg |
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| 09:40.57 | liberty | Horde, lookup the model/name of that adsl modem + debian + linux |
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| 09:41.41 | liberty | someone likely (not always though) has done what your trying |
| 09:41.48 | Kevin` | Horde usb or ethernet |
| 09:42.06 | liable | Horde: is it a router/modem, just a modem, does it do everything for you, or do you need debian to tell it stuff? |
| 09:42.18 | Horde | uhm ethernet |
| 09:42.35 | Horde | and it does everything for me i think |
| 09:42.46 | Kevin` | dhclient eth0 |
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| 09:43.15 | johnny_nubie | i still can't get any sound out of xine |
| 09:43.27 | Kevin` | I still haven't gone to sleep |
| 09:43.55 | dli | johnny_nubie, test totem, mplayer? |
| 09:43.56 | johnny_nubie | i work graveyards, so this is like 3pm for me |
| 09:44.05 | johnny_nubie | lemmy see, not lately |
| 09:44.27 | Horde | says network is down |
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| 09:45.04 | Kevin` | Horde and with that (unless the network cable is unplugged), I don't know what it means, so i'm gone :) |
| 09:45.13 | johnny_nubie | totem complains about the mountpoint |
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| 09:45.52 | johnny_nubie | i dont think I have mplayer, aren't they all just overlays? the video looks great in xine |
| 09:46.02 | Horde | its looking for packets on DHCPDISCOVERS on the0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval XX |
| 09:46.16 | Horde | oh just dhcpdiscover |
| 09:46.29 | Kevin` | Horde either it |
| 09:46.40 | Kevin` | Horde either it's pppoe or ignoring you |
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| 09:46.49 | Horde | hmm |
| 09:46.52 | Kevin` | both are possible if your isp is evil :) |
| 09:46.54 | Kevin` | bai |
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| 09:46.56 | SimonRaven | you need to have a dhcpd to be listening for those broadcast packets |
| 09:47.39 | Horde | well the little light is on the cable, and does that mean that i have to set up the router/modem to listen for the box? |
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| 09:48.42 | Kevin` | Horde that would work, given a serial console |
| 09:48.44 | Kevin` | :) |
| 09:48.45 | liberty | Horde did your isp give you some numbers? |
| 09:49.04 | SimonRaven | well, if it does do dhcp, you need to tell it to run dhcpd on the lan. |
| 09:49.15 | Horde | some numbers.... |
| 09:49.19 | Horde | like what do you mean |
| 09:49.22 | liberty | static numbers |
| 09:49.24 | Horde | the IP adresses |
| 09:49.30 | Horde | ? |
| 09:49.37 | liberty | rare i guess yeah the ip |
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| 09:50.09 | Horde | uhm yes, i can logon to the router now and check al this info/ add the box |
| 09:50.10 | liberty | when I dial up I get a different number everytime. |
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| 09:50.27 | Dave-B | Yo! |
| 09:50.30 | doub | hi there |
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| 09:50.58 | Horde | and what do i do once im on the modem? |
| 09:51.00 | Kevin` | Horde how do you logon to the router |
| 09:51.08 | Kevin` | er |
| 09:51.09 | Kevin` | modem |
| 09:51.12 | Horde | i type in its adress |
| 09:51.14 | Horde | router yeah |
| 09:51.16 | liberty | Horde, your not a modem, I am a modem |
| 09:51.19 | Kevin` | horde |
| 09:51.25 | Horde | yes? |
| 09:51.29 | johnny_nubie | could kde's sound manager be holding the sound interupt? |
| 09:51.29 | Kevin` | if you can type in it's Address |
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| 09:51.34 | Kevin` | netorking |
| 09:51.37 | Kevin` | is working |
| 09:51.39 | Horde | i mean in explorer |
| 09:51.43 | Kevin` | damn, I can't type anymore |
| 09:51.50 | Horde | im not setting it up on THIS box |
| 09:51.54 | r3tex | i have proftpd setup but it only works inside my network, not from the outside. what have i done wrong? |
| 09:51.56 | cahoot | johnny_nubie: artd is known to do that |
| 09:51.56 | Horde | on a different one |
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| 09:52.03 | cahoot | johnny_nubie: artsd |
| 09:52.11 | SimonRaven | johnny_nubie: yes, and just turn it off, it hinders more than it help,s and it's pointless with alsa+dmix around |
| 09:52.24 | johnny_nubie | how do i turn it off? |
| 09:52.43 | SimonRaven | disable 'sound system' in its control panel |
| 09:52.44 | Kevin` | Horde it's very possible that the router will try to only accept connections from one computer, if it's dhcp |
| 09:52.53 | doub | r3tex: maybe it's only bound to your LAN interface, not on your internet-connected one? or you have some sort of firewall blocking it from outside |
| 09:52.56 | sparr | quake4 segfaults when i try to start it :( http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Lz0JFe42.nln.html |
| 09:52.59 | liberty | Horde, so your browsing your modem/router from a box with an ethernet card. and the ehternet card is in your linux box, not the modem |
| 09:53.02 | johnny_nubie | simonraven : lemmy try that... |
| 09:53.06 | Horde | well i have 3 computers on the network all getting internet through it |
| 09:53.16 | Kevin` | Horde what setup did you do |
| 09:53.25 | Kevin` | on each |
| 09:53.31 | Horde | uhmmm |
| 09:53.32 | r3tex | doub: no no firewall, i just don't know how to tell it to accept from everyone |
| 09:53.36 | liberty | Horde, give em all static ip's and gateway through the router |
| 09:53.49 | johnny_nubie | simonraven : voila - sound in xine |
| 09:53.55 | r3tex | doub: inetd usually handles this, and pureftp has a SERVER="-S 0.0.0.0,2121" setting |
| 09:54.00 | Horde | yeah |
| 09:54.04 | Horde | i did |
| 09:54.10 | Kevin` | Horde if they each have an external ip address I may hit you |
| 09:54.17 | Kevin` | :) |
| 09:54.36 | Horde | pardon? |
| 09:54.55 | Kevin` | ignore that |
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| 09:54.58 | doub | r3tex: what does 'netstat -pntl' say? (look for a line with a [ip address]:21 on the second column, presumably ending in 'proftpd' |
| 09:55.18 | johnny_nubie | are all dvd drive's iso9660? |
| 09:55.28 | r3tex | doub: tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:2121 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 5330/proftpd: (acce |
| 09:55.32 | Kevin` | john, no |
| 09:55.55 | johnny_nubie | kevin : is that what a dvdrw would be? |
| 09:56.11 | john | huh? |
| 09:56.12 | happy_broccoli | anyone using qwest? |
| 09:56.20 | Kevin` | it could have any filesystem, or none at all |
| 09:56.28 | Kevin` | probably iso.. or udf |
| 09:56.40 | johnny_nubie | i cant seem to find a dummie's level version of editing fstab |
| 09:56.43 | Kevin` | sorry john |
| 09:57.00 | john | it's okay. i'm sure you meant johnny_nubie.. damn tab completion :P |
| 09:57.00 | doub | r3tex: what exaclty happens when you try to connect from the outside? do you provide your client with your special port setting (2121) ? |
| 09:57.09 | Kevin` | johnn, "auto" |
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| 09:57.24 | Kevin` | his name is really hard to tab complete |
| 09:57.26 | Kevin` | :) |
| 09:57.31 | kevix | johnny_nubie, I usually copy an entry that's close and work from there. |
| 09:57.45 | r3tex | doub: yeah, on port 2121 but on the outside it just waits and waits and on my internal network it goes instantly |
| 09:57.51 | r3tex | doub: my webserver works fine |
| 09:58.04 | johnny_nubie | kevin` - i cannot browse to the dvd drive with auto - it complains - i think that the scsi emulation that usbmount setup is to blame?? |
| 09:58.08 | r3tex | doub: but for apache netstat says: tcp6 0 0 :::8080 :::* LISTEN 2010/apache2 |
| 09:58.22 | Kevin` | jonn, try the scsi device instead |
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| 09:58.30 | Hordex | grrr |
| 09:58.35 | Hordex | ok |
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| 09:58.40 | Reglisse | Hello |
| 09:58.43 | Hordex | hello |
| 09:58.50 | doub | r3tex: so, it connects to the ftp server, but getting the file list doesnt respond, right? try setting your client in passive mode then |
| 09:59.02 | johnny_nubie | Kevin` - is there a way to issue a remount command to usbmount? |
| 09:59.07 | kevix | johnny_nubie, are you trying to mount a dvd with video, data or ? |
| 09:59.14 | liberty | Hordex? horde? |
| 09:59.21 | Hordex | ok so how do i set up/change the configureation of the router/box so that they can talk to each other |
| 09:59.23 | Hordex | yes |
| 09:59.23 | johnny_nubie | kevix - it's a rented dvd video |
| 09:59.27 | Hordex | my router reset itself |
| 09:59.28 | doub | r3tex: ftp uses 2 connections, by default: the control one, in your case on port 2121, and the data one, on a randomly chosen port, which is a problem for firewalls, if any |
| 09:59.30 | Reglisse | i've got some problems, but, i think that it is a channel for this. where could i find information for install a debian for a INTEL PIV x64 please :) |
| 09:59.30 | Kevin` | mount -o {changes},remount mountpoint ? |
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| 09:59.48 | liberty | figure out whats the subnet mask and the ip of the router |
| 09:59.54 | doub | r3tex: passive mode puts control and data on the same socket, on port 2121 |
| 09:59.57 | SimonRaven | !tell Reglisse -about amd64 |
| 10:00.01 | johnny_nubie | Kevin` - and that will detect external dvdrom's? |
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| 10:00.12 | Hordex | well i know the ip adress |
| 10:00.14 | Kevin` | johnny_nubie no |
| 10:00.16 | Reglisse | sime_, thx a lot ;) |
| 10:00.19 | Kevin` | afaik |
| 10:00.41 | r3tex | doub: aha |
| 10:00.45 | Kevin` | sleep time, really |
| 10:00.46 | r3tex | doub: i'll try that then |
| 10:00.55 | liable | Hordex: read the documentation for it. |
| 10:00.59 | johnny_nubie | Kevin` - thanks for everything |
| 10:01.19 | Hordex | alright, and now i have that what do i do with it? |
| 10:01.32 | kevix | johnny_nubie, mount /dev/hda /mnt/dvd (where hda is your dvd drive) |
| 10:01.49 | liberty | give your box a static ip with that subnet mask and gateway and dns all == your router |
| 10:02.01 | liberty | ^ workstations |
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| 10:02.08 | blaamann | Is it right that I should get an "GPG Error" when updating from the security etch repositories or is something wrong ? |
| 10:02.14 | johnny_nubie | kevix - so /dev/scd0 /media/dvdrwiso9660auto,rw,user00 isn't gonna work? |
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| 10:02.37 | lra_ | hello |
| 10:02.43 | liberty | pick different ip's though not the same as the router |
| 10:02.54 | Hordex | but my router assignes the other computers(windows) an ip |
| 10:02.54 | lra_ | i'm 'trying to get a dlink air+ dwl-g650+ working |
| 10:02.56 | liberty | like 192. or 10. somethn |
| 10:03.19 | kevix | johnny_nubie, try 'mount /dev/scd0 /media/dvdrw' and see what happens |
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| 10:03.32 | liberty | either that or I end here cause I don't understand your network topology |
| 10:03.39 | doub | r3tex: you might also want to try loading ip_conntrack_ftp and maybe ip_nat_ftp if you do NAT somewhere on the way, so that the data connection gets handled by your NAT router |
| 10:03.48 | kevix | johnny_nubie, mine says '/dev/hdb /mnt/dvd iso9660 ro,user,auto 0 0' |
| 10:03.49 | doub | r3tex: if you use some sort of NAT, that is |
| 10:04.19 | Hordex | well i dont understand it either :S, so i need to change what on the box to make it have the same stuf? |
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| 10:04.52 | johnny_nubie | kevix - it says you must specify the filesystem type |
| 10:05.42 | liable | Hordex: sheesh, your router prolly has a web page configuration. or alternatively, just run dhclient eth0, substitiuting whatever is your ethernet interface. |
| 10:05.46 | liberty | the router/modem has an IP fomr the isp and you logon it (im assumiing) and set the way it forwards, you need that ip and subnet mask, then on ea. workstation you setup your subnet with ip's and the same subnet mask |
| 10:05.47 | doub | r3tex: sorry if i'm not quite clear, i'm a bit tired ATM |
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| 10:06.26 | liberty | try hitting your router with a browser on 80, 81, 82 8000 etc.. |
| 10:06.34 | Hordex | ok |
| 10:06.36 | liberty | 445, i dunno |
| 10:06.39 | liberty | nmap it |
| 10:06.46 | kevix | johnny_nubie, so try '-t udf' or '-t iso9660' |
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| 10:07.19 | Hordex | ok it said that the connection was refused on 80 |
| 10:07.26 | johnny_nubie | mmm |
| 10:07.31 | kevix | johnny_nubie, on my sid gnome system, the dvd mounted itself (with help from udev and gnome-volume-manager) |
| 10:07.51 | Dave-B | Please can someone check if this poscript file is valid - I can't display it: http://www.balch.co.uk/tmp/out.eps |
| 10:07.52 | johnny_nubie | kevix - i'm gonna give it a rest for the evening |
| 10:08.03 | johnny_nubie | kevix - many thanks |
| 10:08.07 | liberty | and back to what i FIRST said, find the MODEL of your modem and type that in google + debian or + linux |
| 10:08.21 | r3tex | doub: np ;) |
| 10:08.27 | kevix | johnny_nubie, see ya in 20 hours! |
| 10:09.08 | Hordex | right |
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| 10:09.44 | liberty | Hordex, sometimes something as simple 192.168.0.2 255.255.255.0 and a name is all you need to get that puppy up on that workstation |
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| 10:11.07 | pedro_ | hello everyone |
| 10:11.15 | Hordex | alright, but HOW do i change the configureation on my box? |
| 10:11.23 | pedro_ | how do you do? |
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| 10:12.54 | lib | Hordex, -with 192.168.0.1 as your gateway |
| 10:13.53 | dli | Dave-B, looks alright |
| 10:14.14 | Hordex | gateway? isnt that the IP/ |
| 10:14.16 | Hordex | ?* |
| 10:14.22 | pedro_ | I need some help |
| 10:14.29 | liable | no, its you routers address |
| 10:14.36 | liable | pedro_: so ask |
| 10:14.49 | liberty | hordex, to the workstation ea. workstation needs a gateway |
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| 10:15.03 | [sr] | hi there |
| 10:15.07 | pedro_ | I am looking for lines to write in sources.list to get some packages |
| 10:15.19 | liable | pedro_: use apt-setup |
| 10:15.21 | [sr] | how can i force this? |
| 10:15.21 | [sr] | dpkg: error processing libapache-mod-auth-mysql (--remove): |
| 10:15.21 | [sr] | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:15.21 | [sr] | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:15.21 | [sr] | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:15.30 | [sr] | ops |
| 10:15.30 | kevix | pedro_ I use vi |
| 10:15.37 | liable | !tell [sr] about flood |
| 10:15.40 | pedro_ | I am new in Debian and do not know how to |
| 10:15.41 | SimonRaven | [sr]: don't paste here |
| 10:15.46 | SimonRaven | !paster |
| 10:15.46 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste then select #debian and paste away. |
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| 10:15.55 | liable | pedro_: its a command, 'apt-setup' |
| 10:15.58 | pedro_ | The software to write is not the problem |
| 10:16.00 | SimonRaven | pedro_: apt-setup |
| 10:16.06 | Hordex | hang on how do i connect using the gatewaY? |
| 10:16.09 | kevix | pedro_, you can use any text editor or apt-setup |
| 10:16.10 | pedro_ | I am going to try it |
| 10:16.15 | Hordex | like what is the command |
| 10:16.20 | Hordex | or file i need to edit |
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| 10:16.40 | [sr] | ok sorry about the flood |
| 10:16.43 | pedro_ | well, I think I haven't express very well |
| 10:16.44 | [sr] | but how can i resolve this? |
| 10:16.58 | liable | Hordex: please make an effort, googlre has *lots* of info on this. |
| 10:17.01 | pedro_ | I would like to know what servers can I add to sources.list |
| 10:17.09 | kevix | pedro_, the file is in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:17.15 | liable | pedro_: debian ones. |
| 10:17.17 | pedro_ | to get, for example "transcode" |
| 10:17.19 | SimonRaven | [sr]: that's just the tail end of the error, the informative stuff is above that |
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| 10:17.35 | liable | !tell pedro_ about marillat |
| 10:17.52 | close_to_debian | How do i specify 'any host' with tcpserver |
| 10:18.02 | SimonRaven | rtfm |
| 10:18.02 | Hordex | ok sorry, just its late and wanna get this finished before i go to bed |
| 10:18.19 | liable | Hordex: try again tommorow |
| 10:18.21 | close_to_debian | will this do 0 smtp |
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| 10:18.50 | [sr] | SimonRaven nop, nothing abobe about the error |
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| 10:19.02 | liable | Hordex: read /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 10:19.24 | rope | hi, is it legitimate for ls command to connect to localhost network interface? (strace show this) |
| 10:19.50 | SimonRaven | [sr]: so run it again, then paste it somewhere (not here ;) |
| 10:19.56 | liberty | Hordex, maybe pppoeconfig |
| 10:19.59 | [sr] | bah |
| 10:20.04 | [sr] | that doesn't help too mutch |
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| 10:20.15 | Dave-B | dli, Thanks. What viewer are you using? |
| 10:20.24 | SimonRaven | we'll determine that thankyouverymuch |
| 10:20.51 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 10:20.51 | liberty | Hordex, you never said what the MODEL of your router/modem was, but here anyway here's an adsl example: http://users.pandora.be/Asterisk-PBX/PPPoE.htm |
| 10:20.57 | lra_ | is there a deb for the zcx drivers? |
| 10:20.59 | Phated | Oooh, harsh. |
| 10:20.59 | lra_ | i can't find one |
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| 10:21.29 | liable | lra_: then compile it. |
| 10:21.30 | Hordex | dlink DI-808HV |
| 10:21.31 | [sr] | SimonRaven no, don't determine something just seeing what i've wrote:P |
| 10:21.55 | zxsykco | Rember the vindicators! BAH! |
| 10:22.04 | rope | is there debian security related IRC channel? |
| 10:22.09 | liable | eh? |
| 10:22.18 | liable | rope: um, here :) |
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| 10:23.01 | rope | ok, i have strace of ls command which connects to 127.0.0.1, on other machines it connects all over the network... |
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| 10:23.46 | liable | rope: why are you stracing ls to start with? |
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| 10:24.41 | SimonRaven | ls sometimes needs to lookup stuff in nss databases to find the user<->uid, group<->gid and other data, to do the matching |
| 10:24.47 | Hordex | brb |
| 10:24.57 | pedro_ | well, I have add the line from Marillat and I have an error from update |
| 10:24.59 | liberty | Hordex |
| 10:25.03 | liberty | D-Link DI-808HV, VPN Router for DSL/Cable Modems with 8-Port Switch, $196 that one? |
| 10:25.24 | liable | pedro_: then you made a boo boo, read his page again. |
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| 10:26.14 | pedro_ | well, the page is very clear and I only have to copy and paste a line |
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| 10:26.41 | [sr] | is there any force options better than --force-all ? |
| 10:26.52 | rope | liable: we have been cracked (badly). the ls sigfaulted so i straced it - it connected to couple of our network servers. (now i have all servers down). then on other servers (which i consider "safe") i straced ls command before and after apt-get dist-upgrade. before - it was not connecting to any network interface, after that the ls connects to localhost. |
| 10:26.53 | liable | pedro_: well, paste the error somewhere |
| 10:26.57 | Eulex | [sr], force options are never good |
| 10:27.02 | AciD | it depends on what you want to do [sr] |
| 10:27.05 | [sr] | but i need to use it |
| 10:27.10 | Hordex | yep |
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| 10:27.23 | Hordex | that one |
| 10:27.26 | liable | rope: eek, why arent you just re-installing? |
| 10:27.42 | pedro_ | the message is in spanish but I translate how I can |
| 10:27.47 | Eulex | [sr], why? |
| 10:27.59 | [sr] | because i have a package that doesn't want to be removed |
| 10:28.05 | Eulex | pedro_, do, export LANG=C and run the command again |
| 10:28.10 | Guerin | rope: don't bother, just reinstall. |
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| 10:28.25 | SimonRaven | or just stick LANG=C in front of the command |
| 10:28.26 | liberty | Hordex I am on the www.dlink.com page lookin |
| 10:28.26 | Guerin | rope: you cnan't truat anything on those machines, not even your diagnostic tools. |
| 10:28.44 | rope | liable: well, if the dodgy ls command come from security or other updates then what is the point |
| 10:28.54 | Hordex | thank you |
| 10:29.29 | kevix | pedro_, 'LANG=C ls' is english 'LANG=es ls' is in spanish |
| 10:29.31 | liable | rope: re-install, and replace backed up, non executables. |
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| 10:30.12 | Eulex | [sr], hmm, ok, though you really should find out why it doesn't want to be deinstalled |
| 10:30.15 | rope | guerin: i booted knoppix (on cracked machines), closed network and then dumped partition images (for post-mortem). but the question is, can i trust the debian security or other updates (the localhost incident is on unrelated servers with only me having access). |
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| 10:30.18 | pedro_ | It is not posible to read the list of packages from ftp://ftp.nerim.net sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) -stat (2 It doesn't exist the file or directory |
| 10:30.26 | SimonRaven | oh, i guess i'm wrong. sorry |
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| 10:30.45 | liable | pedro_: run update again. |
| 10:30.47 | SimonRaven | it did look up for an nscd socket however (which is normal) |
| 10:30.48 | liberty | Hordex, you need some docs. http://www.dlink.com/products/?pid=273 |
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| 10:31.30 | pedro_ | now I have no error |
| 10:31.33 | Guerin | rope: what line are you concerned about in strace output? And what version of coreutils? |
| 10:31.33 | [sr] | Eulex the point is that i dont have :p |
| 10:31.34 | nm | why my /dev/sdax only re-mount if i restart automount ? |
| 10:31.36 | pedro_ | I am going to see |
| 10:32.16 | pedro_ | Now it is all right! |
| 10:32.20 | SimonRaven | oh, bbiab, forgot i had something to do |
| 10:32.30 | Hordex | ok |
| 10:32.32 | Eulex | rope, you can't trust the binaries on your computer, therefore you can't trust *anything* you run on your computer. apt-get upgrade may do anything, for example. |
| 10:32.40 | liberty | Hordex, I'm trying the "quick install"manual first |
| 10:32.41 | pedro_ | I don't know exactly what was the problem but thank you very much |
| 10:32.43 | rope | guerim: give me a couple of minutes |
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| 10:32.50 | [sr] | Eulex & AciD i had libapache-mod-mysql-auth when used apache 1x, and moved to apache2 with libapache2-mod-mysql-auth, and now i's telling me that apache's not installed err |
| 10:32.53 | liberty | 3MB download on my modem... |
| 10:33.01 | liberty | and i don't have your card. |
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| 10:33.10 | liberty | or modem/router |
| 10:33.13 | liberty | rather |
| 10:34.13 | Hordex | pardon? |
| 10:34.15 | Guerin | rope: the only reference to localhost I have in strace ls; is the second lihne of output: uname({sys="Linux", node="damn.feayn.org", ...}) = 0 |
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| 10:34.41 | Hordex | the router is a dsl 504 |
| 10:34.53 | liberty | it's probably like what everyone said, it's you browse into the router, set the gateway/ip/broadcast and if it's dhcp use dhcp or if you know static ip's then set each workstation up to the same gateway you set in the router/modem |
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| 10:35.00 | Guerin | rope: where damn.feayn.org is the hostname - but 127.0.0.1's canonical hostname is localhost (as per /etc/hosts) - damn.f.o is the canonical name for its external ip address |
| 10:35.34 | liberty | um... <Hordex> dlink DI-808HV |
| 10:35.47 | Guerin | rope: coreutils 5.2.1-2, sarge |
| 10:35.58 | Hordex | and im setting it up on a laptop using an singlepoint 10/100 mbps fastethernet cardbus |
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| 10:37.23 | Hordex | id download it |
| 10:37.38 | Hordex | but atm my connection is about 2kbps |
| 10:37.45 | liberty | not if it ain't the right part/model |
| 10:37.59 | liberty | what do you think i am on? |
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| 10:38.09 | Guerin | liberty: crack? |
| 10:38.09 | liberty | 01-dialup |
| 10:38.17 | Guerin | liberty: or maybe just coffee |
| 10:38.19 | Hordex | dunno something a lil faster than 2kbps... |
| 10:38.25 | Guerin | hard to tell with computer geeks |
| 10:38.29 | Eulex | [sr], what you need to do is check the appropriate postinst script in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ and see where it goes wrong |
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| 10:38.53 | alexey | hello |
| 10:39.00 | liberty | hordex, what ethernet card is in that box? |
| 10:39.24 | Eulex | [sr], ah, sorry, post-removal script, not postinst |
| 10:39.25 | Hordex | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:39.58 | [sr] | Eulex le me see |
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| 10:40.25 | liberty | hordex, never mind. Get your model numbers of your router, your ethernet cards, and look each one up. The ethernet cards generally configure quickly in linux, the router you need to read the manual for it |
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| 10:40.46 | liberty | decide dhcp or static ip |
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| 10:40.58 | liberty | put the magic numbers in. and networkup |
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| 10:41.18 | rope | guerin: this localhost is also on sarge. the crack happened on woody. i will try to get the line - it will take a while (server room is locked and the strace output is sitting in remote mailbox) |
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| 10:41.45 | Hordex | ok, how do i find the mac adress of the box? |
| 10:41.51 | rope | guerin: (i ment the strace showing 127.0.0.1 is on sarge) |
| 10:41.54 | SimonRaven | ifconfig |
| 10:42.03 | phretor | hi there |
| 10:42.15 | Eulex | anyway, for the reason I came here: I've seen that there are "tags" assigned to each package. Is it possible to search for packages based on tag? |
| 10:42.19 | phretor | how do you connect to a remote X session? |
| 10:42.28 | SimonRaven | Eulex: yes. see debtags IIRC |
| 10:42.36 | alexey | why X why not NX ? |
| 10:42.36 | liberty | which box? the workstation ifconfig -A |
| 10:42.40 | alexey | :) |
| 10:42.42 | liberty | -a lowercase |
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| 10:43.00 | Eulex | SimonRaven, ah, thanks |
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| 10:43.23 | liberty | workstation ifconfig -a, the router, read the manual |
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| 10:44.12 | Hordex | uh waht part is the mac adress? |
| 10:44.18 | [sr] | Eulex seeing the scruipt now i know, its because i've removed /etc/apache dir:p |
| 10:44.29 | serkon | Hello. |
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| 10:44.49 | pumpkin0 | Hordex: HWaddr |
| 10:44.52 | SimonRaven | Hordex: the hex numbers, HWAddr |
| 10:44.54 | alexey | hello |
| 10:45.04 | liberty | I still don't have the MAnual downloaded but I'll assume tthat the dsl/modem/router has default set to 192.168.0.1 (your gateway) and there is probably some port open you can point a browser or serial terminal at |
| 10:45.11 | SimonRaven | er, s/A/a/ |
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| 10:45.33 | Sloden | How does one specify videocard pipes in xorg.conf? |
| 10:45.49 | SimonRaven | checking whether byte ordering is bigendian... yes s/big/right/ |
| 10:45.51 | Eulex | [sr], well, pebkac. you shouldn't just remove stuff like that. remove the parts of the script that require that directory to still be there |
| 10:45.56 | JosephSpiros | is there any package that might add on to apt, for when I do an upgrade, that might be able to tell me why there are new packages? perhaps showing the upgraded packages that depend on the new ones? |
| 10:46.13 | pumpkin0 | Sloden: what the f***are you trying to do ? |
| 10:46.18 | Sloden | Or in other words, has anyone a clue as to how to get the 855GM videocard working with tv-out? |
| 10:46.21 | The_Vulture | JosephSpiros: apt-showchanges perhaps |
| 10:46.21 | woodland | kevix, hi |
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| 10:46.32 | [sr] | Eulex i see, but is it possible when i do a apt-get remove, to everything relative to that package be removed? conf dirs etc etc |
| 10:46.42 | kevix | woodland, how goes it! |
| 10:46.53 | Guerin | [sr]: no. |
| 10:47.07 | Guerin | [sr]: well, yes and no. |
| 10:47.07 | Eulex | [sr], by default, config dirs are not removed shen you uninstall a package. it's just remove if you do a --purge |
| 10:47.11 | JosephSpiros | The_Vulture: I can't find what you are referring to? googling now but do you have any more information? |
| 10:47.20 | [sr] | oh i se |
| 10:47.20 | [sr] | oh i see |
| 10:47.33 | Guerin | [sr]: --purge removes config files and sometimes logs, but databases, some logs and some config entries are left |
| 10:47.44 | Guerin | it depends on the package, also |
| 10:47.50 | [sr] | ok tks :) |
| 10:47.53 | kevix | [sr], if you always use 'aptitude' |
| 10:47.53 | woodland | kevix, i used the info in the link given by yu, but i still have the same problem, can yu find the that 'smil' in the page source |
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| 10:49.01 | Guerin | wtf is 'yu' |
| 10:49.02 | Guerin | ? |
| 10:49.17 | kevix | woodland, which page? |
| 10:49.19 | yoo | Hi ! |
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| 10:49.49 | pumpkin0 | Sloden: search for the i810-parameter. |
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| 10:50.26 | The_Vulture | JosephSpiros: it's a debian package.. "apt-cache show apt-listchanges" |
| 10:50.27 | woodland | kevix, that song link page i asked a while ago, yu said , yu found 'smil' in the page source |
| 10:50.29 | kevix | anyone else tried 'flock' |
| 10:50.39 | pumpkin0 | Sloden: it should work with "extvga" |
| 10:50.54 | Sloden | pumpkin0: How? |
| 10:51.20 | kevix | woodland, yea. did you look at the page source? |
| 10:51.44 | pumpkin0 | Sloden: http://i810fb.sourceforge.net/howto/x83.html |
| 10:52.38 | close_to_debian | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.16 | pumpkin0 | Sloden: for xfree: http://www.xfree86.org/current/i810.4.html |
| 10:53.16 | liberty | Hordex di800hv - quick install guide, Got your router, your cdrom, your ethernet cable and power, then plug it all in, then browse to http://192.168.0.1 login and run the setup wizard, then type in your magic numbers. If confused still go to d-link.com download that quick install guide, it shows exactly how to do it |
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| 10:53.47 | Horde | gerr |
| 10:53.56 | liberty | Horde - di800hv - quick install guide - Got your router, your cdrom, your ethernet cable and power, then plug it all in, then browse to http://192.168.0.1 login and run the setup wizard, then type in your magic numbers. If confused still go to d-link.com download that quick install guide, it shows exactly how to do it |
| 10:54.07 | JosephSpiros | The_Vulture: ahh, thanks, you said apt-showchanges and that's why I couldn't find it |
| 10:54.09 | woodland | kevix, i did and i searched but i dont seem to find that bloody 'smil' , let me give yu link of another song and you can tell me if you find that 'smil' in page source again |
| 10:54.14 | woodland | http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/OqXmdesidS.As1NMvHdW/ |
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| 10:54.59 | The_Vulture | JosephSpiros: right, my bad |
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| 10:55.40 | JosephSpiros | The_Vulture: :) |
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| 10:55.45 | smartbhai | hi people can i use uclibc for multimedia apps |
| 10:55.50 | Horde | it still says that the connection was refused |
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| 11:02.33 | liberty | hord reboot the workstation your trying to logon the router with |
| 11:02.57 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
| 11:02.58 | liberty | Horde: after you connect it up and turn it on |
| 11:03.24 | Horde | huh? |
| 11:03.30 | rope | guerin: are you there |
| 11:03.36 | Daffy-PKF | what would you recomand for an audio streaming server? |
| 11:04.09 | liberty | Horde: you got the quick install guide off d-link? hook it up, reboot, login, run wizard, type magic numbers, restart network |
| 11:04.12 | The_Vulture | Daffy-PKF: mpd perhaps.. |
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| 11:04.53 | Horde | dont think i got the rightdriver for the network card |
| 11:05.00 | liberty | ahh... |
| 11:05.38 | liberty | back to identifying the hardware |
| 11:06.08 | Marxist | daffy. vlc |
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| 11:09.32 | Daffy-PKF | Marxist> vlc? really? great, will i be able to listen the stream from xmms and winamp? |
| 11:09.33 | zeitgeist_y2k | my virtual host server provider told me that my server won't allow me to login via ssh because there was an error starting apache2 and that this is a usual debian guideline... are they bull*ing me? they'll get money for fixing a typo now... |
| 11:10.31 | zeitgeist_y2k | this "not-being-allowed-to-ssh-in" happened after a reboot on a standard sarge machine... |
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| 11:11.14 | Marxist | i don't know, check the site |
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| 11:11.26 | Marxist | that program will stream just about anything |
| 11:11.39 | Marxist | if you have the bandwidth |
| 11:11.54 | nkuttler | zeitgeist_y2k: bs. ssh and apache2 are independent from each other. ask them where they read that guideline.. |
| 11:12.12 | Horde | alright im gna go to bed now |
| 11:12.16 | Daffy-PKF | Marxist> the goal is to make a little radio for my friends on my website, they should be able to change the playlist from it |
| 11:12.19 | Horde | fix this later |
| 11:12.26 | Horde | thanks for all your help lib |
| 11:12.46 | zeitgeist_y2k | nkuttler: thanks, i was thinking so, but am not too familiar with debian, they told me that this is only in debian and not any other distro... |
| 11:13.04 | nkuttler | zeitgeist_y2k: and ask them to provide you a diff of the changes they did if they insist |
| 11:13.17 | zeitgeist_y2k | nkuttler, good idea |
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| 11:14.17 | Marxist | daffy, for that just use ftp. |
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| 11:14.48 | alexey | hello |
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| 11:15.15 | alexey | anybody can help me? I don't know how to start/stop services in Debian. |
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| 11:15.50 | Daffy-PKF | Marxist> ftp? you mean just let the guys download the files? that's not what i want... |
| 11:16.01 | graeme | alexy, i like to use kill, but i'm probably way wrong to do that. |
| 11:16.01 | Phated | alexey: /etc/init.d/<servicename> start/stop as needed. |
| 11:16.05 | shadowc4t | is the hotplug package being absorbed into udev in unstable? |
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| 11:16.24 | graeme | alexey: yah, listen to Phated |
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| 11:17.01 | liberty | graeme killall -HUP service also, but yeah /etc/init.d has em in there |
| 11:17.28 | liberty | graeme we get lock files ;o) |
| 11:17.47 | liberty | or nothing happens. worse |
| 11:17.49 | codept | HUP= ? |
| 11:18.26 | liberty | yeah -HUP like killall -HUP sshd |
| 11:18.34 | codept | ok |
| 11:18.36 | liberty | brings it right back up |
| 11:18.59 | alexey | ok, but how-to boot Debian into a text mode? (the so called runlevel 3 doesn't seems to work for Debian) |
| 11:19.18 | liberty | ctr-alt-f1 |
| 11:19.21 | kevix | woodland, |
| 11:19.21 | kevix | woodland, are you still there! |
| 11:19.35 | woodland | kevix, ya |
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| 11:19.38 | alexey | ctrl+alt+f1 won't kill X. |
| 11:19.48 | liberty | ctr-alt-backspace |
| 11:19.57 | bassMonkey | ctrl alt backspace |
| 11:20.02 | liberty | telinit 2 or another runlevel |
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| 11:20.11 | kevix | woodland I found something. is that song suppose to be 'awara' ? |
| 11:20.17 | morena | olaaaaaaa |
| 11:20.23 | alexey | ctr-alt-backspace only restarts X - it doesn't kills X. |
| 11:20.26 | liberty | ctr-alt-f1 gets you into your console |
| 11:20.26 | woodland | kevix, ya thats right |
| 11:20.33 | morena | kien eres |
| 11:20.44 | liberty | then log on root and kill x |
| 11:20.56 | liberty | or fix the runlevel or x |
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| 11:20.57 | graeme | alexey: /etc/init.d/xdm stop (or gdm stop) (is there a kdm?) |
| 11:21.07 | alexey | ok |
| 11:21.11 | kevix | woodland, ok. I right clicked on the 'player' (not on the top or bottom of the page) and opened that source. |
| 11:21.37 | woodland | kevix, i see,let me check |
| 11:22.02 | alexey | ok killall kdm worked. |
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| 11:22.32 | kevix | woodland, http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/OqXmdesidS.As1NMvHdW/ but change /p/x/ to /g/r/ and add /play.smil |
| 11:23.07 | kevix | woodland, so its realplay http://www.musicindiaonline.com/g/r/OqXmdesidS.As1NMvHdW/play.smil |
| 11:23.26 | woodland | kevix, you mean you first opened the link which i gave you and you then right clicked the 'player' ?? |
| 11:23.36 | kevix | woodland, yes. |
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| 11:25.16 | woodland | kevix, why do you change /p/x to /g/r ,, how do you know we have change this |
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| 11:27.00 | kevix | woodland, I saw it in the page source. It may work for other URL's, or maybe not. |
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| 11:27.19 | woodland | kevix, ok |
| 11:27.36 | kevix | woodland, give me another example to test. |
| 11:27.43 | woodland | ok |
| 11:28.03 | Eulex | alexey, to boot into text-mode, you could boot into recovery mode, or boot normally and shut down your dm with /etc/init.d/[gkx]dm stop. to always boot without X, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 11:28.17 | woodland | kevix, here's one http://www.musicindiaonline.com/p/x/q5KmFXK.7d.As1NMvHdW/ |
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| 11:29.19 | zoghome2 | whats the quickest way to approach running an extra console by adding an extra PCI vga card and USB keyboard? |
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| 11:30.12 | liberty | zoghome2: ssh in? |
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| 11:31.04 | sobersabre | hi. I am going through gdb's manual, and I don't find ( or miss ), how can I trace certain variable's changes ... I'd like to record: code line that changed myvar1, value of myvar1 |
| 11:31.07 | sobersabre | Is it possible ? |
| 11:31.24 | zoghome2 | liberty: this more multi user in having 2 consoles on the same box.. |
| 11:31.28 | sobersabre | I do see how I can trace function, or line of code.. |
| 11:31.36 | woodland | kevix, yur method seems to work, i just change /p/x to /g/r ,, but i still cant seem to find /g/r in the page source. but it works when i replace /p/x with /g/r. |
| 11:31.40 | liberty | ahh, its xhosts |
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| 11:33.19 | kittenbot | sobersabre: watch ? catch ? condition ? |
| 11:34.11 | kittenbot | watch is probably what you want |
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| 11:34.53 | sobersabre | kittenbot, is it possible to see who changes the var and redirect all this automagically into some file for later analysis ? |
| 11:35.10 | sobersabre | I mean I change the var, but which line of code :) |
| 11:35.15 | liberty | zoghome2 if it something with xfree and your vga card I dunno but xhost + (which is insecure) should let you into it |
| 11:35.22 | sparr | can anyone recommend a way to keep icewm from becoming unresponsive for 10-20 seconds the first time i open the menu each reboot? |
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| 11:35.32 | sobersabre | hm... am I again talking to a bot... ? |
| 11:35.40 | zoghome2 | liberty: http://members.westnet.com.au/vanzeeland/Linux/configure_X.htm is more the kind of stuff I am looking at |
| 11:35.48 | kittenbot | meow? |
| 11:37.05 | Eulex | liberty, you shouldn't reply when you have no clue |
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| 11:37.13 | kittenbot | sobersabre: What language is it written it? #define { to do a printf for you? ;) |
| 11:37.32 | Marxist | Daffy-PKF, not really, you can stream video to their players using ftp, they have to pick the songs though. if you want control then use mpd or vlc |
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| 11:38.19 | cockroach | hi! i have an (apparently) corrupt quicktime file which only xine can play - is there a way to make xine dump the movie in a format i can later use with a software like mencoder to create a new, valid movie file? |
| 11:38.25 | liberty | Eulex, I've done it. But not lately. your right I don't know exactly, but a lot of times I know it's a or b . like Xfree86 or xhost access |
| 11:38.35 | meff | cockroach: xine does not encode |
| 11:38.41 | meff | cockroach: look at mplayer/mencoder |
| 11:38.47 | liberty | and i only try to help. Im tired, nn. peace |
| 11:38.56 | kittenbot | sobersabre: if gdb stops when the variable has just been updated, then surely you know where you are in the code because you have all the processor registers... |
| 11:38.58 | cockroach | meff: but xine decodes - shouldn't it be able to dump the raw movie afterwards? |
| 11:39.08 | adam_666 | I came form Poland - jest tutaj ktos z polski :) |
| 11:39.08 | cockroach | meff: mplayer can't play the movie |
| 11:39.09 | meff | cockroach: not necessairly |
| 11:39.17 | Eulex | liberty, his question is not very clear, though I think he means this. |
| 11:39.20 | Eulex | zoghome2, what you want is to be able to get an extra linux text console, controlled by an extra keyboard? |
| 11:39.41 | sobersabre | kittenbot, I would like to run the app, and watch the behaviour of the "watched" var later from a file... |
| 11:39.44 | meff | cockroach: xine knows how to write to xv or your x desktop, not files (encoding) :) |
| 11:39.45 | sobersabre | It is C |
| 11:39.52 | sobersabre | ANSI C |
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| 11:40.02 | kevix | cockroach, it may not be 'corrupt', it may be that you dont have the correct CODECS |
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| 11:40.11 | cockroach | meff: hrm, that's unfortunate |
| 11:40.14 | sobersabre | I do use #ifdef here and there... |
| 11:40.19 | meff | cockroach: have you installed the win32 codecs? |
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| 11:40.24 | meff | cockroach: for mplayer |
| 11:40.34 | cockroach | kevix: it is corrupt, i'm quite sure - not even windows quicktime pro can play it :) |
| 11:40.57 | adam_666 | i have problem to pppoE to Ethernet |
| 11:41.01 | meff | !tell cockroach -about marillat |
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| 11:41.07 | kittenbot | sobersabre: I only learnt enough gdb to figure out that it didn't work in my environment :( |
| 11:41.11 | cockroach | meff: would that be the w32codecs package? yes. |
| 11:41.19 | meff | cockroach: if mplayer w/ w32codecs can't play it.... ouch :) |
| 11:41.30 | Eulex | meff, how would he otherwise have gotten mplayer? |
| 11:41.35 | sobersabre | kittenbot, what kind of environment is it ? |
| 11:42.06 | meff | Eulex: people compile it, or alien rpms |
| 11:42.06 | sobersabre | ( I mean if there runs C, there runs gdb ) |
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| 11:42.07 | Eulex | meff, ah, that's true. |
| 11:42.07 | Guerin | rope: no |
| 11:42.16 | kittenbot | sobersabre: I think you need to write a small db script that (1) watches the variable of concern (2) prints out the backtrace (to figure out where in the code you were) (3) 'continue's |
| 11:42.26 | meff | cockroach: unfortunately, i dont think xine can write out.. sorry |
| 11:42.34 | dvsdude | ah the good old days configure make make install the joy |
| 11:42.43 | kittenbot | sobersabre: PalmOS -- with sections. |
| 11:42.56 | sobersabre | oh, ok. |
| 11:42.57 | Eulex | dvsdude, you can do it today too :) |
| 11:43.05 | cockroach | meff: okay, thanks anyway. maybe i'll have to do an tv-out-tv-in copy :( |
| 11:43.19 | cockroach | (if i get xine to use the tv out) |
| 11:43.19 | meff | cockroach: if you're that desperate sure :) |
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| 11:43.38 | cockroach | meff: yes. it's for a university project ... |
| 11:44.00 | zoghome2 | Eulex : yes, thats what I mean, when I say console I mean physical terminal |
| 11:44.01 | dvsdude | Eulex: no really can u!! |
| 11:44.10 | meff | cockroach: i see. good luck then |
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| 11:44.52 | zoghome2 | Eulex: liberty: i have a little 9" vga monitor and wanna have an extra session on it when my main monitor is running games |
| 11:45.03 | meff | cockroach: if you could get mplayer to play it though, you'd be set.. maybe you can fiddle with some options to get it to play.. then play with mencoder |
| 11:45.15 | zoghome2 | Eulex: liberty : http://members.westnet.com.au/vanzeeland/evdev_debian.htm seems to point me in the right direction |
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| 11:45.51 | liberty | zoghome2: got ya. I'm fried and like Eulex said, I don't know what I am talking about. I don't have x.org |
| 11:46.18 | Eulex | zoghome2, no idea how to do that, I just replied because liberty seemed to misunderstand your question. but someone else might. |
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| 11:46.51 | Eulex | zoghome2, hmm, X on one screen and a text console (with no X) on the other one? that'd be even more complicated |
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| 11:47.18 | abrocadabro | zoghome2: what was your question? I just came in the channel |
| 11:47.35 | zoghome2 | Eulex: liberty : google turned up some starting points while I was chatting to you guys, was just seeing if anyone knew a Definitive Proper Debian way .. its just a nerdy side project so I can run iptraf / irc on the extra monitor and keyboard |
| 11:47.48 | Eulex | zoghome2, I'd run dual-head with X on both screens. |
| 11:47.56 | Eulex | abrocadabro, <zoghome2> Eulex: liberty: i have a little 9" vga monitor and wanna have an extra session on it when my main monitor is running games |
| 11:48.06 | zoghome2 | abrocadabro: runn an extra vidcard and USB keyboard with a text console and/or X on it |
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| 11:48.35 | phretor | sorry for repeating but, how do I connect to a remove X11 session? |
| 11:48.38 | abrocadabro | are you talking about dual screen? |
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| 11:48.56 | zoghome2 | well not dual screen X, more like mutiuser |
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| 11:50.35 | Eulex | zoghome2, http://members.westnet.com.au/vanzeeland/evdev_debian.htm seems to be a good start. it describes how to run one X session on each screen and make each session use a pair of input devices |
| 11:50.46 | abrocadabro | well you can setup a dual screen, but have a nested login within the second monitor, which is similar two different sessions |
| 11:50.47 | ttick | okay, I've used these 3 floppies to install debian about 4 times. It's the stable Sarge install. And this time (on a new machine) I got to a point where the last option on the menu is "Save debug logs" but as far as I can tell nothing went wrong. Any suggestions? It won't let me continue to anything like partitioning disks. |
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| 11:51.32 | cockroach | meff: oh, interestingly vlc can play the video (not the audio though) if i rename it from .mov to .dv - mplayer, however, still complains about it being an "Encrypted VOB file" (which i don't think it is) |
| 11:51.53 | yoo | Hi ! |
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| 11:52.10 | meff | cockroach: hm. install libdvdcss and name it .vob then try mplayer ;) |
| 11:52.11 | Eulex | abrocadabro, that's an idea. you mean like run xnest in fullscreen on the second monitor? though he wants to have separate input devices for each screen |
| 11:52.17 | meff | cockroach: but yeah its probably not |
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| 11:52.18 | yoo | How configure php to have log about it in /var/log / ? |
| 11:52.26 | brosioz | could i burn mdf image with k3b ? |
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| 11:53.10 | abrocadabro | Eulex: I see, that could be a bit of a problem |
| 11:53.27 | cockroach | meff: even with libdvdcss installed mplayer complains about it being encrypted - but nice try :) |
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| 11:54.04 | w00t | brosioz, mdf2iso |
| 11:54.06 | d3wd3 | !gentoo |
| 11:54.06 | dpkg | hmm... gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 11:54.17 | d3wd3 | !rice |
| 11:54.17 | dpkg | from memory, rice is good for you |
| 11:54.31 | brosioz | w00t, what's it ? |
| 11:54.36 | Eulex | d3wd3, if you like dpkg that much, talk to him in private |
| 11:54.43 | meff | cockroach: aww bummer :) |
| 11:54.48 | brosioz | not foud in apt |
| 11:54.50 | bibe | yoo : read /etc/php4/apache2/php.ini, there's an option to log php stuff in a file, then you specify the file you want |
| 11:54.53 | meff | cockroach: i think there is some flag for mplayer to specify a codec.. |
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| 11:55.32 | yoo | bibe : ok |
| 11:55.35 | yoo | thanks |
| 11:55.39 | w00t | brosioz, http://mdf2iso.berlios.de/ |
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| 11:55.51 | brosioz | w00t, ok thx |
| 11:55.52 | bibe | yoo : no problem |
| 11:56.01 | Eulex | anyway, gotta go. see ya |
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| 11:56.08 | DwyaneWade | why isn't the "." folder included in PATH in Linux? |
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| 11:57.00 | ttick | because it's a security risk |
| 11:57.39 | Guerin | s/risk/nightmare/ |
| 11:58.03 | DwyaneWade | how so? may i add it in the PATH by myself? |
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| 11:58.24 | Guerin | DwyaneWade: no. |
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| 11:58.37 | ABRAXAS77 | hello,I need set a mail server for windows clients..like exchange,somebody may help me? |
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| 11:58.45 | Guerin | DwyaneWade: it's incredibly stupid and you don't need it, for anything, ever. |
| 11:59.03 | Miesco | I get this when I try to run doom3: Was in fatal error shutdown: Unable to initialize OpenGL |
| 11:59.04 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: any mail server will serve windows clients |
| 11:59.16 | Guerin | !tell ABRAXAS77 about mail tutorial |
| 11:59.16 | ABRAXAS77 | Guerin, sendmail is good? |
| 11:59.21 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: no. |
| 11:59.28 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: if you have to ask which server to use, use exim4 |
| 11:59.42 | Miesco | postfix is better :P |
| 11:59.54 | Guerin | or if you want a complex virtualhost setup, postfix |
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| 12:00.02 | DwyaneWade | Guerin: sure i need it. why to run ./something instead of something ? |
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| 12:00.03 | Miesco | Guerin: No way |
| 12:00.07 | ABRAXAS77 | i hate postfix,yestrday i installed postfix and there is not method to uninstall it |
| 12:00.17 | Guerin | Miesco: i use postfix, but exim is the default in debian, so it's best for simple tasks. |
| 12:00.34 | Miesco | Well I tried exim and I couldn't get it to work |
| 12:00.35 | ABRAXAS77 | Guerin, i dont use debian,I use slackware |
| 12:00.42 | Miesco | postfix worked wonderfully |
| 12:00.48 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: so ask #slackware for a recommendation. |
| 12:00.52 | ABRAXAS77 | ok,so,reinstall postfix |
| 12:01.00 | ABRAXAS77 | Guerin, they dont reply |
| 12:01.02 | Guerin | Miesco: that's your own error, not any failing on the part of exim. |
| 12:01.07 | Guerin | !they aren't there |
| 12:01.08 | dpkg | Just because the morons in some OTHER channel aren't helping with your non-debian problem , it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
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| 12:01.19 | Miesco | ABRAXAS77: removepkg postfix.tgz |
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| 12:01.29 | ABRAXAS77 | Miesco, I compiled it |
| 12:01.37 | Miesco | make uninstall? |
| 12:01.44 | ABRAXAS77 | jeje |
| 12:01.45 | dvsdude | make clean? |
| 12:01.48 | ABRAXAS77 | havent make uninstall |
| 12:01.55 | ABRAXAS77 | make clean dont uninstall |
| 12:02.00 | Guerin | DwyaneWade: what reason do you have for doing it? |
| 12:02.08 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: fuck off to #slackware |
| 12:02.16 | Miesco | make clean?? |
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| 12:02.23 | Guerin | ABRAXAS77: your question is offtopic and we don't know how to help you. |
| 12:02.33 | Miesco | Guerin: I use slackware |
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| 12:03.00 | Guerin | Miesco: so help him in #slackware |
| 12:03.07 | Miesco | But Debian is twice as better |
| 12:03.11 | Miesco | nah |
| 12:03.31 | DwyaneWade | Guerin: the reason would be not to type ./ everytime. but the question is rather: How to add a directory in the PATH? |
| 12:03.54 | Guerin | DwyaneWade: it's incredibly stupid, and I'm not going to tell you how to do it. |
| 12:04.25 | Miesco | DwyaneWade: Do you mean: $PATH=$PATH:. |
| 12:04.26 | Guerin | DwyaneWade: it means that any executable file in the current directory can be run with a simple slip of the brain |
| 12:04.40 | Miesco | Guerin: Thats how I have it |
| 12:04.54 | meff | you have to use ./ for a reason |
| 12:05.03 | meff | putting . in your path is idiotic |
| 12:05.09 | Miesco | No its not |
| 12:05.10 | Guerin | Miesco: you're a fucking idiot too, then. |
| 12:05.18 | Guerin | name one good reason for it. |
| 12:05.24 | Miesco | faster |
| 12:05.27 | Guerin | and "not having to type ./" isn't |
| 12:05.31 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 12:05.38 | Miesco | Name a good reason not to |
| 12:05.38 | meff | this isnt dos |
| 12:05.40 | meff | its linux |
| 12:05.48 | rope | Guerin: interested in the strace of ls? |
| 12:05.48 | ttick | oh, just let him do it. He's prolly a troll anyway. |
| 12:06.21 | Miesco | ttick: Im not the one using the word idiot |
| 12:07.03 | Guerin | row: not wildly |
| 12:07.14 | Guerin | Miesco: we've explained the security risk |
| 12:07.14 | Miesco | Tell me a reason why you should not have . in your path, maybe you will convince me |
| 12:07.16 | meff | w/out ./ you never know where the file is you're executing |
| 12:07.24 | ogzy | hi, i am trying to create a .deb of a program that put one file under the /usr/share/ and a dir under the same path, i read the debian binary |
| 12:07.24 | ogzy | package howto |
| 12:07.27 | Guerin | Miesco: it enables arbitrary shit to be run unintentionally |
| 12:07.32 | ogzy | and applied things there |
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| 12:07.59 | Miesco | Yea well I know all the programs on my computer |
| 12:08.00 | Guerin | Miesco: it also means you could inadvertantly run /usr/local/bin/install instead of ./install |
| 12:08.03 | Guerin | for instance |
| 12:08.08 | Guerin | Miesco: famous last words |
| 12:08.10 | ogzy | the program need 3 libraries, i wrote them at the, Depends part of the control file, but i had encountered such thing: |
| 12:08.29 | DwyaneWade | there is no thing as unintentionally. you are careful and everything should be fine |
| 12:08.33 | Miesco | A lot of the times i do use ./ though |
| 12:08.41 | Guerin | Miesco: in any case, there's an embargo on fucking stupid advice in #debian, so it'd be nice if you not tell people how to break their systems |
| 12:08.42 | ogzy | dpkg -i package.deb |
| 12:08.50 | Guerin | Miesco: so it gains you nothing in any case |
| 12:08.50 | ogzy | it says it need the packages installed that i had written at the control file |
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| 12:08.57 | DwyaneWade | but the install example is good |
| 12:09.06 | Miesco | Guerin: I didn't advise anyone to do it, I said I did it |
| 12:09.06 | ogzy | but when i use apt-get install thepackagename it still says same things |
| 12:09.16 | DwyaneWade | anyway you could have 2 install files in 2 directories in the path. so should be same problem |
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| 12:10.00 | cockroach | meff: hurray! if i call it .dv, ffplay can play it too - maybe i can convert it to something useful, after all |
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| 12:10.56 | ogzy | did somebody understand my problem? |
| 12:11.15 | meff | cockroach: good! |
| 12:11.34 | Guerin | meff: awesome :) |
| 12:11.54 | Miesco | meff: Do you think that would actually wreck your computer |
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| 12:12.09 | rope | Guerin: ok, if not interested i wont bother you. but it really looks wierd... |
| 12:12.10 | meff | Miesco: typing 'ls' in that directory, you betcha |
| 12:12.19 | meff | Miesco: at least say bye to your homedir |
| 12:12.56 | Guerin | rope: i suggest you reinstall |
| 12:12.56 | meff | Miesco: this is the security problem with path'ing . |
| 12:13.07 | Miesco | meff: I put . as the last directory in $PATH, it wouldn't work |
| 12:13.38 | Miesco | and +, I got ls aliased to something else |
| 12:14.11 | meff | Miesco: there are more ways.. im not gonna list every possible scenario for your idioticy |
| 12:14.29 | Guerin | idioticity |
| 12:14.32 | rope | Guerin: will do, but the wierd ls appeared on unrelated system after dist-upgrade, thanks for your time... |
| 12:14.34 | DwyaneWade | Miesco: how can i remove a directory from path? i understand that i add it with : |
| 12:14.41 | meff | yes yes, i just woke up Guerin cut me some slack :) |
| 12:14.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:14.56 | Miesco | Well I know the risks, so you can call me an idiot when it actually does affect me |
| 12:15.17 | Miesco | DwyaneWade: You need to edit your .bashrc or wherever its initialized |
| 12:16.03 | meff | Miesco: cool! one free laugh fest when i see you in the future and your data is gone.. im all for this. |
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| 12:16.23 | ttick | is there a known problem with net-installs right now, something about the "archdetect" package not being loaded or something? |
| 12:16.48 | Miesco | meff: Okay, keep your hopes up and spend your time waiting for it |
| 12:16.56 | si|vercat | so how do I make a file with a list of files in a dir, separated by line-breaks.. |
| 12:17.20 | cockroach | si|vercat: ls -1 > file |
| 12:17.38 | Miesco | si |
| 12:18.00 | Miesco | si|vercat: or vim . |
| 12:18.07 | si|vercat | cockroach, Thank you! :) |
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| 12:18.17 | cockroach | si|vercat: you're welcome |
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| 12:19.11 | Miesco | I get this when I run doom3: Was in fatal error shutdown: Unable to initialize OpenGL |
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| 12:19.41 | Miesco | It was working before, then I upgraded all these packages (including xserver) to the sarge version |
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| 12:20.31 | meff | yawn |
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| 12:28.54 | tarzeau | takatumi: #bub-n-bros |
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| 12:30.45 | liran_ | uhm, which driver is for the realtek 8139? from documentation it seems like the ne2000 but when i try to insmod ne.o from lib/2.4.../kernel/modules/net it fails |
| 12:31.09 | weedar | I have a PC I use as a server (mysql,apache,etc.) running debian, with no keyboard/mouse - only a monitor. How can I make Debian not turn off the monitor after some time? |
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| 12:31.30 | achaoge | liran_: 8139too or rtl8139 |
| 12:31.35 | nvz | TGIS! |
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| 12:32.09 | achaoge | liran_: s/rtl8139/8139cp/ |
| 12:32.52 | liran_ | i dont have either of those under that directory. maybe somewhere else on the install cd? (btw, its woody) |
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| 12:33.57 | pumpkin0 | Howto change the Core-voltage of a pentiumM in linux ? |
| 12:34.05 | abrotman | liran_: uname -a |
| 12:34.12 | abrotman | !cpufreq |
| 12:34.12 | dpkg | methinks cpufreq is a patch (http://www.brodo.de/cpufreq_old) to the 2.4.x kernels to support frequency scaling on mobile x86, PowerPC and ARM processors. It has been merged into the 2.6.x series. It provides a simple interface (/proc/cpufreq) through which userspace daemons like cpudynd (in the "cpudyn" package) can throttle processor speed to save power when the system is idle. |
| 12:34.51 | GNU_ | did any one have success with Nvidia Box with Deb Sarge 3.1 |
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| 12:35.03 | abrotman | !tell weedar about screen blanking |
| 12:35.16 | achaoge | liran_: look : http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?version=oldstable&arch=i386&case=insensitive&word=8139too.o&searchmode=searchfiles |
| 12:35.22 | weedar | thanks abrotman :) |
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| 12:35.45 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: cpufreqd uses stock-voltages. It adjustes them to the speed, but it doesn't let me undervoltage my PM. |
| 12:35.47 | abrotman | !tell GNU_ about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:35.51 | micron | hello guys |
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| 12:35.59 | abrotman | pumpkin0: isn't that a BIOS thing ? |
| 12:36.14 | GNU_ | abrotman: ?? |
| 12:36.15 | liran_ | thanks achaoge |
| 12:36.22 | abrotman | liran_: uname -a |
| 12:36.28 | abrotman | GNU_: ? |
| 12:36.36 | cahoot | GNU_: thinking of graphics or mobo? |
| 12:36.38 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: no, the BIOS just does what cpufreqd is telling him.. |
| 12:36.38 | abrotman | GNU_: did dpkg tell you something ? |
| 12:36.45 | achaoge | liran_: np :) |
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| 12:36.53 | micron | hive a strange problem... if I use kdm to start an X session I loose special keys like " e' ", while using xdm there're no problems |
| 12:37.10 | abrotman | so .. don't use kdm ? |
| 12:37.10 | micron | *hive = I've |
| 12:37.11 | liran_ | debian is trying to load x (gdm/xdm) but fails and i cant access console with ctrl+alt+backspace or ctrl+alt+shift+f1, how do i dpkg-reconfigure the xserver? |
| 12:37.17 | GNU_ | abrotman: yes it did ;) |
| 12:37.23 | abrotman | GNU_: no help ? |
| 12:37.35 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 12:37.35 | GNU_ | cahoot: Graphics |
| 12:37.35 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 12:37.39 | weedar | !tell weedar about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:37.50 | XmarcX | Can someone help me please, http://pastebin.com/401836 |
| 12:38.07 | micron | any hint? |
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| 12:38.58 | liran_ | thanks for that |
| 12:39.04 | XmarcX | so can anyone help me? |
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| 12:39.04 | GNU_ | abrotman: i need to use Free-Drivers not Nvidia`s drivers |
| 12:39.15 | abrotman | GNU_: NEED ? |
| 12:39.16 | Guerin | GNU_: choose nv during x setup |
| 12:39.21 | ttick | argh, can't get cdrecord to work (testing version). "Cannot do inquiry for CD/DVD-Recorder." |
| 12:39.31 | abrotman | GNU_: which nvidia card do you have ? |
| 12:39.35 | Guerin | GNU_: the nv drivers are more stable than nvidia's shiteware, in addition to them being free |
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| 12:39.38 | GNU_ | Guerin: i did that but it cant start X |
| 12:39.39 | abrotman | why don't we have a #debian-nvidia again ? |
| 12:39.45 | Guerin | GNU_: what error? |
| 12:39.48 | abrotman | GNU_: which nvidia card do you have ? |
| 12:39.52 | GNU_ | abrotman: Nvidia GeForce MX 440 |
| 12:39.53 | seeeS | urgh, alsa problems |
| 12:39.54 | sussudio | abrotman: #nvidia |
| 12:40.01 | abrotman | sussudio: they don't care! |
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| 12:40.06 | abrotman | sussudio: i heard they're all wankers! |
| 12:40.10 | XmarcX | Can someone help me please, http://pastebin.com/401836 |
| 12:40.11 | sussudio | abrotman: /whois GNU_ |
| 12:40.25 | Guerin | heh |
| 12:40.31 | abrotman | sussudio: #nipl ? |
| 12:40.43 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 12:40.43 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kenrel you must also install alsa modules before you run alsaconf, if you are using a debian kernel, apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
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| 12:40.54 | sussudio | abrotman: *shrug*. i was wondering about the #fedora. |
| 12:41.28 | abrotman | sussudio: not sure why you'd ask for the debian way to install nvidia stuff on fedora :) |
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| 12:41.42 | XmarcX | 8-) |
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| 12:41.51 | XmarcX | Can someone help me please, http://pastebin.com/401836 , PLEASE :( |
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| 12:42.01 | XmarcX | its a 2.6 kernel |
| 12:42.08 | sussudio | abrotman: wouldn't be the first time someone pretended to run debian |
| 12:42.14 | GNU_ | abrotman: i had same problems with Sarge 3.0 with Nvidia, the free nv drivers didnt worked |
| 12:42.18 | abrotman | sussudio: surely you jest! |
| 12:42.37 | bannedit | XmarcX what modules are loaded? |
| 12:42.38 | abrotman | GNU_: xorg or xfree ? |
| 12:42.38 | seeeS | alsa is so damn finnicky, it doesnt work half the time' |
| 12:42.43 | Guerin | GNU_: the free nv driver works with that card; you need to configure x correctly. |
| 12:42.49 | seeeS | xmarcx: ive had that problem before |
| 12:42.52 | GNU_ | abrotman: xfree |
| 12:43.00 | abrotman | Gnea: listen to Guerin |
| 12:43.03 | Guerin | GNU_: what error does X fail with? |
| 12:43.13 | cratos | Does anybody know how to disable the framebuffer console to leave it normal vga? |
| 12:43.31 | GNU_ | Guerin: cannot Start X a log has been generated etc etc |
| 12:43.35 | XmarcX | bannedit: no idea, i just want sound :(, when i use alsaconf it searches and finds atiixp which is my Ati AC97 card |
| 12:43.51 | abrotman | GNU_: and the error in the log is ? |
| 12:43.57 | Guerin | GNU_: grep EE /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 12:44.00 | bannedit | XmarcX lsmod |grep snd |
| 12:44.11 | The_Vulture | c |
| 12:44.15 | Guerin | GNU_: or xorg.0.log if you run testing or unstable |
| 12:44.21 | abrotman | he's xfree |
| 12:44.22 | Guerin | !paster GNU_ |
| 12:44.23 | dpkg | GNU_: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 12:44.25 | Guerin | oh, ok |
| 12:44.36 | bannedit | should have snd_atiixp, snd,ac97_codec, snd_pcm_oss |
| 12:44.54 | bannedit | along with the soundcore module |
| 12:44.56 | Guerin | bannedit: ac97_codec is not an alsa module |
| 12:45.09 | Guerin | bannedit: if you have that loaded, alsa won't work properly |
| 12:45.12 | XmarcX | bannedit: http://pastebin.com/401843 |
| 12:45.17 | abrotman | !punish alsa for sucking so bad |
| 12:45.36 | XmarcX | ignore the bottom bit |
| 12:45.37 | XmarcX | lmfao |
| 12:46.15 | cahoot | abrotman: unusual and cruel punishment |
| 12:46.16 | ttick | anyone have cdrecord working on a 2.6 testing machine with an IDE CDRW? Mine keeps failing with warnings about 2.6 being unstable and "Cannot gain SYS_RAWIO capability." when I'm running it as root. |
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| 12:46.28 | abrotman | cahoot: but deserved |
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| 12:46.31 | XmarcX | http://pastebin.com/401844 |
| 12:46.33 | liran_ | ok network seems fine now :p |
| 12:46.38 | cahoot | abrotman: no |
| 12:46.44 | abrotman | cahoot: yes |
| 12:47.00 | duglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.27 | bannedit | XmarcX did you make the devices? |
| 12:47.27 | resiak | ttick: You are experiencing "Joerg Schilling being a cock", a well-known problem. The solution appears to be (for now) to run cdrecord as root. |
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| 12:47.44 | XmarcX | bannedit: ??? |
| 12:48.01 | Phated | resiak: That's an awful thing to say about a DD. |
| 12:48.13 | bannedit | in /dev you should have dsp snd and a few others |
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| 12:48.16 | resiak | ttick: Oh wait, you're doing that. Well, the solution is ... erm ... no good answer. :) |
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| 12:48.33 | Guerin | since when was Jörg Schilling a DD? |
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| 12:48.56 | ttick | resiak: hmm. |
| 12:49.00 | XmarcX | bannedit: http://pastebin.com/401845 |
| 12:49.11 | resiak | ttick: It seems to work for some people but not for others. |
| 12:49.15 | Guerin | i thought he worked for sun or someone equally braindeas |
| 12:49.16 | Guerin | d |
| 12:49.26 | abrotman | Guerin: he writes cdrecord |
| 12:49.33 | Guerin | abrotman: I know this. |
| 12:49.35 | resiak | Guerin: Yeah, that's why cdrecord spews out garbage about how wonderful Solaris is when you run it on 2.6 :)( |
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| 12:49.54 | Guerin | resiak: oh, ok. I only run it through k3b :) |
| 12:50.05 | ttick | resiak: to be fair, this is the first time I've tried. And only because my 3 floppy disk net-install is failing on some package called "archdetect" from ftp.debian.org. |
| 12:50.16 | meff | schilling is a looney |
| 12:50.16 | ttick | resiak: for the 'testing' install, that is. |
| 12:50.35 | sussudio | schillinger? |
| 12:50.38 | resiak | ttick: Right. I can't really offer any good advice, except that I hear that ide-scsi sometimes helps. |
| 12:50.54 | ttick | resiak: okay, thanks |
| 12:51.14 | duglas | Whats the best kernel for running a DVD-burner 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 12:51.32 | meff | uhm 2.6 |
| 12:51.42 | XmarcX | bannedit: any ideas? |
| 12:51.53 | bannedit | XmarcX http://www.linux.com/howtos/Alsa-sound-2.shtml has a simple alsa install tutorial it seems you skipped the ./snddevices script |
| 12:52.08 | XmarcX | k ill try it, thanks man |
| 12:52.14 | bannedit | no problem |
| 12:52.30 | bannedit | I have the same card and had a rough time too |
| 12:53.45 | XmarcX | cool |
| 12:54.13 | liran_ | ok so i cant setup my xwindow with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for the geforce2 video card. maybe i should just do a complete update from woody to current and then use xorg? |
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| 12:55.06 | ttick | resiak: lol, my favorite error message of this cdrecord SNAFU is "If you have unexpected problems please try Linux-2.4 or Solaris" Yeah, uhm, I'll just reboot into that 2.4 distro I keep hanging around just in case. *grumble* |
| 12:55.09 | XmarcX | bannedit: where can i d/l alsa again :/ |
| 12:55.57 | bannedit | XmarcX if you want to compile from source http://www.alsa-project.org/download.php |
| 12:56.13 | duglas | I just built a 2.4 system because of that message |
| 12:56.21 | abrotman | !tell liran_ about woody->sarge |
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| 12:56.51 | XmarcX | bannedit: sorry if i sound like a noob here, but where is the source located on those mirrors |
| 12:56.53 | md5sum | hey what's a good pdf viewer for gnome? the only thing on my damn application menu is kpdf and kghostview |
| 12:57.02 | XmarcX | not sure which to download |
| 12:57.19 | seeeS | they're both kde ones |
| 12:57.31 | md5sum | yes you're right... I want a gnome one |
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| 12:58.01 | seeeS | well, there is gpdf |
| 12:58.12 | bannedit | your going to need the files from the utils, lib, driver directories if I'm not mistaken |
| 12:58.21 | XmarcX | ok |
| 12:58.23 | seeeS | evince |
| 12:58.27 | seeeS | and of course acroread |
| 12:58.29 | Huahua | evince - Document (postscript, pdf) viewer |
| 12:58.51 | trc | what would be a good app for computer to telephone, or computer to computer voice communication? |
| 12:58.52 | Huahua | a good pdf viewer for gnome |
| 12:59.08 | sunmoon1997 | trc, skype? |
| 12:59.30 | trc | sunmoon1997: have you tried it? |
| 12:59.35 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 12:59.35 | dpkg | from memory, gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 12:59.35 | baroni | hi all. How can i resolv the problem that when i 'apt-get update' it shows "IGN http.. " ? |
| 12:59.48 | trc | hmm |
| 12:59.52 | sunmoon1997 | trc, yeah, it's pretty good:D |
| 13:00.09 | cratos | Does anybody know how to disable the framebuffer console to leave it normal vga on Debian 3.1 with 2.6 kernel? |
| 13:00.20 | asuffield | skype is proprietary crud with absolutely no enterprise capacity |
| 13:00.24 | abrotman | !gizmo |
| 13:00.24 | dpkg | it has been said that gizmo is http://www.gizmoproject.com/ .. A VoIP project |
| 13:00.34 | Daffy-PKF | did someone here installed icecast? i don't find how to generate the password correctly with makepasswd |
| 13:00.41 | abrotman | asuffield: they didn't specify enterprise ability |
| 13:00.43 | trc | dpkg: is it in sarge? |
| 13:00.49 | abrotman | trc: it's not .. |
| 13:00.52 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 13:00.52 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:00.56 | asuffield | abrotman: or any more than "one user per site", apparently |
| 13:01.08 | abrotman | asuffield: oh .. see .. this is why i don't use skype :) |
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| 13:02.22 | trc | i found ant-phone and asterisk in sarge, but i am not sure they can do what i need them for |
| 13:02.26 | kl1 | hi any one knows how can i mount a hd? |
| 13:02.28 | bannedit | Daffy-PKF, echo "password" > passwd.tmp |
| 13:02.28 | bannedit | makepassword --crypt --clearfrom=passwd.tmp |
| 13:02.42 | trc | kll: info mount |
| 13:02.53 | kl1 | ok |
| 13:03.06 | liran_ | how do i move from woody to latest? |
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| 13:03.23 | liran_ | other than apt-get dist upgrade do i need to setup new sources in apt-sources.lst etc? |
| 13:03.27 | kioto | hi all |
| 13:03.36 | liran_ | hey kioto |
| 13:03.45 | kioto | hi liran_ |
| 13:03.52 | abrotman | !tell liran_ about woody->sarge |
| 13:04.07 | Daffy-PKF | bannedit> i tried it, but then icecast tells me i'm using a bad password when i try to connect |
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| 13:04.22 | trc | hey guys, can gnomemeeting do the voip thing? |
| 13:04.35 | bartden | hi, i'm using enlightenment E17, it installed wel from cvs, started up, but when i go to the configuration panel, i see that this window doesnt contain any icons , any idea's ? and how can i maje .eap files or edit the .cfg files? |
| 13:04.57 | meff | try an enlightenment channel, bartden |
| 13:04.59 | liran_ | thanks abrotman |
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| 13:05.05 | abrotman | !DR17 |
| 13:05.05 | dpkg | [DR17 debs] http://shadoi.soulmachine.net/ |
| 13:05.12 | kioto | in the first time i have get out an error when the system wants to start-up X server |
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| 13:05.16 | abrotman | bartden: ask #e |
| 13:05.26 | liran_ | oh its attempting to install from cd |
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| 13:05.34 | liran_ | ill have to change apt sources manually then |
| 13:05.38 | abrotman | apt-setup |
| 13:05.42 | sussudio | abrotman: he's running gentoo. the fucker. |
| 13:05.48 | kioto | i have used cat /var/log/Xfree86.0.log | grep EE |
| 13:05.52 | abrotman | sussudio: who ? GNU_ ? |
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| 13:05.56 | bannedit | Daffy-PKF, another alternative might be to try liveice it has a gui configuration option for icecast you can use and it will generate the password for you |
| 13:05.59 | abrotman | i didn't rhyme on purpose |
| 13:06.01 | sussudio | abrotman: bartden |
| 13:06.25 | abrotman | sussudio: oh .. well .. no matter what .. he's in the wrong channel .. E17 isn't in debian :) |
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| 13:06.36 | bartden | k thx abrotman |
| 13:06.37 | astronut | E17? |
| 13:06.42 | kioto | this is my output: http://phpfi.com/83496 |
| 13:06.45 | abrotman | !e |
| 13:06.45 | dpkg | well, e is from memory, e is a silly bulky, overdone wm, or still the best looking window manager around. and smaller than windowmaker in memory, or of course, smaller than windowmaker isn't saying much. see sawfish. see MDMA, or 2.7182818284590452353602874713526625, or kicks ass, or a very versatile window manager, or *utter* shite |
| 13:06.46 | bartden | yes |
| 13:06.58 | abrotman | right .. who needs a website |
| 13:06.59 | astronut | oh, enlightenment |
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| 13:07.11 | Daffy-PKF | bannedit> how do i launch the gui? |
| 13:07.14 | abrotman | !e is also http://www.enlightenment.org/ |
| 13:07.15 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 13:07.21 | bannedit | wish liveiceconfigure.tk |
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| 13:09.07 | kioto | how to configure an ps/2 mouse |
| 13:09.15 | kioto | an -> a :\ |
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| 13:09.46 | kioto | into log of my system i have see the error output about mouse to use |
| 13:09.59 | kioto | there is any person that can explain ? |
| 13:10.02 | kioto | thanks so much |
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| 13:12.21 | XmarcX | bannedit, u still there? |
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| 13:12.40 | liran_ | right, so i dont have woody in my sources, just stable |
| 13:12.40 | bannedit | yea |
| 13:12.43 | XmarcX | http://pastebin.com/401858 |
| 13:12.50 | liran_ | so stable is sarge, right? |
| 13:12.54 | Tortel | yep |
| 13:13.03 | liran_ | ok, ill go dist-upgrade now then |
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| 13:14.26 | Daffy-PKF | bannedit> liveice write the password in plain text... |
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| 13:15.03 | bannedit | XmarcX do you have the kernel-headers-2.6.xxx package installed? |
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| 13:15.44 | bannedit | Daffy-PKF, I beleive so the password is only used for the encoder |
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| 13:16.39 | XmarcX | bannedit, installing now >< |
| 13:16.57 | abrotman | maybe ask #alsa ? |
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| 13:19.20 | kl1 | bash: mount -t auto /dev/hdc2 /mnt/hdc2: No such file or directory |
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| 13:20.43 | seeeS | so either no mount point or device file' |
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| 13:21.26 | XmarcX | bannedit, Just installed the kernel headers, and the ./configure worked fine, but now i get: http://pastebin.com/401869 on the make |
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| 13:23.07 | abrotman | kl1: does the mount point exist ? |
| 13:23.17 | sts | hello folks |
| 13:23.20 | kl1 | abrotman yes |
| 13:23.37 | abrotman | kl1: and the partition ? |
| 13:23.43 | kl1 | yes |
| 13:23.57 | abrotman | kl1: fdisk -l /dev/hdc |
| 13:23.58 | kl1 | /dev/hdc2 66 1519 11679255 8e Linux LVM |
| 13:24.16 | sts | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:24.20 | kl1 | /dev/hdc1 * 1 65 522081 83 Linux |
| 13:24.20 | kl1 | /dev/hdc2 66 1519 11679255 8e Linux LVM |
| 13:24.20 | kl1 | /dev/hdc3 1520 1650 1052257+ 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 13:24.51 | iezahel | hi all |
| 13:24.59 | abrotman | kl1: ls -l /mnt/ |
| 13:25.05 | Daffy-PKF | bannedit> anyway, i need a password... |
| 13:25.23 | kl1 | total 8 |
| 13:25.23 | kl1 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-10-22 17:11 hdc2 |
| 13:25.23 | kl1 | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2005-10-06 09:01 memoria |
| 13:25.33 | iezahel | could somebody tell my where to search for my DVD/CD-RW in /dev/ on Toshiba laptop |
| 13:25.50 | tarzeau | iezahel: cdrom |
| 13:25.52 | joris | /dev/cdrom ? |
| 13:26.06 | iezahel | when starts knoppix says it is in /dev/hdc but when I started to mount it says it is not a valid block |
| 13:26.11 | Guerin | kl1: stop fucking pasting, you twat |
| 13:26.14 | sussudio | iezahel: DIE |
| 13:26.42 | iezahel | /dev/cdrom points to /dev/hdc |
| 13:26.44 | abrotman | kl1: is there something have to do special with an lvm device ? |
| 13:26.50 | sussudio | !knoppix |
| 13:26.50 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or knoppix is no more debian than mandriva is redhat. |
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| 13:27.19 | Luftzig | say, can anyone ppoint me to the hebrew debian addictws channel? |
| 13:27.29 | kl1 | abrotman i dont know that hd was giving for free |
| 13:27.35 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:27.44 | Jamie_85 | how do you extract a .deb file i tried to apt-get unrar but came out as "unrar has no installation candidate" |
| 13:27.49 | kl1 | abrotman it has a password |
| 13:27.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: busy? |
| 13:27.55 | abrotman | Luftzig: i'm not sure there is one |
| 13:28.01 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm still in bed :) |
| 13:28.06 | iezahel | sussudio: What does DIE mean ? |
| 13:28.13 | meff | lol |
| 13:28.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: and i can barely read .. stupid broken eyes |
| 13:28.17 | alexey | btw: About Live CDs in general... I think it would be possible to create a FULL Debian Live-HD-DVD. What do you think ? |
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| 13:28.25 | bannedit | XmarcX you might want to try instaling the kernel source package aswell and redo the ./configure |
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| 13:28.34 | asg | alexey: check out bootcd |
| 13:28.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: why ? |
| 13:28.43 | abrotman | kl1: maybe that's why? |
| 13:28.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? |
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| 13:28.57 | kl1 | abrotman maybe |
| 13:28.57 | abrotman | tarzeau: not yet today .. i'd suck horribly |
| 13:29.16 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 13:29.16 | dpkg | i heard lvm is at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 13:29.28 | abrotman | !lvm_tutorial |
| 13:29.28 | dpkg | methinks lvm_tutorial is ibmdevworks tutorial http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/, or http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-lvm2.html |
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| 13:30.10 | kl1 | ok |
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| 13:32.06 | VivekVC | Hybrid ircd seems to be short of docs |
| 13:32.15 | bbrazil | VivekVC: hybrdid7? |
| 13:32.18 | alexey | Does Debian has any network config tools? Like Yast in SUSE, or at least system-config in RedHat ? |
| 13:32.20 | VivekVC | btw, i apt-getted it |
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| 13:32.53 | XmarcX | bannedit, i still get the same error.. |
| 13:33.00 | XmarcX | i installed the kernel source to |
| 13:33.34 | The_Vulture | alexey: man 5 interfaces |
| 13:33.45 | bannedit | hrmm you may have to try and locate the source directory usually its /usr/src and you'll have to supply that in your ./configure line |
| 13:33.58 | VivekVC | bbrazil: yes version 7.0.3 |
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| 13:34.43 | bbrazil | VivekVC: good - I have experiance with that |
| 13:35.01 | XmarcX | bannedit, how would i specify that |
| 13:35.08 | VivekVC | bbrazil: ok |
| 13:35.17 | bannedit | ./configure --help should give you a list of the options |
| 13:35.19 | bbrazil | VivekVC: first - do you have a connect block like at the end of http://www.netsoc.tcd.ie/~bbrazil/matrix/root/hybrid/ircd.conf in your hybrid config? |
| 13:36.00 | abrotman | maybe he should ask #alsa ? |
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| 13:36.24 | bannedit | abrotman, agreed |
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| 13:36.51 | loxley | guys i wonder what is defined as a high load on linux? |
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| 13:37.15 | shad0wcat | a load of over 1.0 |
| 13:37.18 | Guerin | loxley: depends on the machine. |
| 13:37.29 | Guerin | bollocks, 1.01 is not a high load |
| 13:37.35 | shad0wcat | hmm |
| 13:37.39 | Guerin | not by any stretch of the imagination |
| 13:37.41 | shad0wcat | I need to re-read the scale then |
| 13:37.42 | abrotman | shad0wcat: not even close |
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| 13:37.55 | abrotman | shad0wcat: i once had to use an AIX box with a load >120 :) |
| 13:37.56 | shad0wcat | Guerin: ok then what is a high load? |
| 13:37.59 | Guerin | the linux kernel is really good at scheduling |
| 13:38.07 | abrotman | shad0wcat: depends on the machine |
| 13:38.08 | shad0wcat | abrotman: ya but you're crazy |
| 13:38.09 | loxley | so for a "normal" system running ftp and some scripts? |
| 13:38.09 | Guerin | shad0wcat: depends on the machine |
| 13:38.12 | abrotman | and the sutff it's doing |
| 13:38.15 | Guerin | loxley: depends on the machine. |
| 13:38.16 | abrotman | shad0wcat: who told you?!?!!? |
| 13:38.26 | shad0wcat | abrotman: it's been up on wikipedia for ages |
| 13:38.37 | shad0wcat | you really need to get out from under that rock sometime :P |
| 13:38.49 | resiak | ttick: Yes, I find the "2.4 or Solaris" message fairly funny. |
| 13:38.49 | Guerin | loxley: if you're suffering degraded performance, whatever that level is. |
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| 13:38.56 | abrotman | shad0wcat: you lie! |
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| 13:39.09 | shad0wcat | abrotman is in denial |
| 13:39.14 | abrotman | of ? |
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| 13:39.19 | shad0wcat | being crazy |
| 13:39.23 | abrotman | no i'm not |
| 13:39.23 | Guerin | no way |
| 13:39.26 | bannedit | XmarcX one last thing you could try is the snddevices script in the alsa-module src |
| 13:39.28 | Guerin | he's never denied that |
| 13:39.32 | bannedit | I think you already downloaded it |
| 13:39.37 | XmarcX | ok |
| 13:39.38 | Guerin | loxley: what's your load? |
| 13:39.44 | resiak | Guerin: Do you have a big load? |
| 13:39.46 | abrotman | shad0wcat: what gave you that impression ? |
| 13:39.47 | resiak | </pred> |
| 13:39.47 | bannedit | looks like you've got the majority of stuff setup just need the devices |
| 13:39.57 | shad0wcat | abrotman: just an observation |
| 13:40.03 | loxley | Guerin: sometimes around 0.60 when scripts are running |
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| 13:40.09 | shad0wcat | bah |
| 13:40.10 | Guerin | resiak: nope, only 0.9 |
| 13:40.11 | abrotman | shad0wcat: you observed me denying i was crazy? |
| 13:40.20 | XmarcX | bannedit, well ive just told it where the kernel sources were, and it seems to be installing, so we will see how this goes |
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| 13:40.21 | shad0wcat | can't they just release 2.6.14 already |
| 13:40.28 | abrotman | !sns |
| 13:40.32 | abrotman | hrm |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | !snss |
| 13:40.36 | aidehua | When I give a shop some money, it is called a "payment". What is the thing the shop gives me called? Goods? A "good"? Stock? Product? |
| 13:40.38 | alexey | The_Vulture: Thanks. Network almost configured :) |
| 13:40.41 | abrotman | that's not it |
| 13:40.41 | bannedit | XmarcX good deal |
| 13:40.41 | Guerin | loxley: you remind me of the old lady who's worried her car will fall apart if she drives at the speed limit |
| 13:40.43 | abrotman | resiak: !!!! |
| 13:40.47 | shad0wcat | !kernel |
| 13:40.49 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.13.4, prepatch: 2.6.14-rc5, snapshot: 2.6.14-rc5-git2, 2.4: 2.4.31, prepatch: 2.4.32-rc1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, 2.0: 2.0.40, -ac patch: 2.6.11-ac7, -mm patch: 2.6.14-rc4-mm1 |
| 13:40.56 | asg | aidehua: #english |
| 13:40.56 | shad0wcat | hmm... |
| 13:40.57 | resiak | abrotman: ??? |
| 13:41.01 | abrotman | SNSS? |
| 13:41.06 | Guerin | loxley: my media box routinely has loads ~3, when playing video and doing other shit |
| 13:41.09 | resiak | What you saY? |
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| 13:41.15 | Guerin | loxley: and video is time-intensive |
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| 13:41.17 | abrotman | shiny new shite syndrome ? |
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| 13:41.26 | loxley | Guerin: okay, then i don't need to worry i guess |
| 13:41.34 | asg | loxley: my mail gateway can have load as high as 30.00 when we spam students. |
| 13:41.37 | Guerin | loxley: so if you're just running ftp, which isn't very time-intensive, you have no problems at all. |
| 13:41.38 | resiak | Not a clue where it's gone. |
| 13:41.42 | abrotman | ah... |
| 13:41.45 | abrotman | !sns snydrome |
| 13:41.51 | abrotman | fuck me |
| 13:42.00 | asg | loxley: you are better off looking at the output of 'vmstat 5' (discard the first line of course) to determine load issues |
| 13:42.00 | abrotman | shad0wcat: yes .. i'm crazy .. are you ok with that? |
| 13:42.00 | resiak | !versionitis |
| 13:42.04 | resiak | :/ |
| 13:42.07 | loxley | asg: tss... if you spam then you deserve it :) |
| 13:42.08 | abrotman | !sns syndrome |
| 13:42.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Software Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 13:42.11 | deepan | does fedora have enlightenment by default ? if not does yum support.. |
| 13:42.19 | Guerin | !htfswk deepan |
| 13:42.19 | abrotman | deepan: ask #fedora ? |
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| 13:42.20 | dpkg | deepan: How The Fuck Should We Know? |
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| 13:42.29 | asg | loxley: spamming our students |
| 13:42.29 | abrotman | ask #e ? |
| 13:42.39 | shad0wcat | why are you asking about fedora in here? |
| 13:42.41 | shad0wcat | **fedora |
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| 13:42.44 | ttick | grr, the "testing" net-install is hosed. |
| 13:42.45 | shad0wcat | err |
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| 13:42.47 | shad0wcat | !fedora |
| 13:42.47 | dpkg | fedora is probably Red Hat-derived distribution of Linux, modelled after other community projects such as Debian and Gentoo. It is not directly supported by Red Hat itself. See http://fedora.redhat.com or #Fedora for more information |
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| 13:42.56 | shad0wcat | !red hat |
| 13:42.56 | dpkg | i heard red hat is apt-get --purge remove redhat mandrake; apt-get install sarge |
| 13:43.00 | shad0wcat | there we go |
| 13:43.09 | bannedit | haha |
| 13:43.18 | asg | loxley: we just have a lot of them and when we send out friendly reminders about events, things get loaded. |
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| 13:43.27 | loxley | okay, it's just that i've never really thought about what could be defined as a high load on a system |
| 13:43.51 | bartden | !dns |
| 13:43.56 | abrotman | iostat might be useful too |
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| 13:44.10 | abrotman | though .. not much you can do about it |
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| 13:44.17 | asg | loxley: install sysstat and generate performance counters also (5 min averages by default) |
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| 13:44.40 | loxley | asg: okay ill do that, thx for the help :) |
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| 13:44.45 | asg | loxley: you're welcome |
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| 13:45.08 | abrotman | help me! .. my load is .99 .. i will soon reach critical mass! |
| 13:45.12 | Alphix | aidehua: goods in singular and plural |
| 13:45.23 | VivekVC | bbrazil: one sec |
| 13:45.27 | VivekVC | let me check |
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| 13:46.30 | loxley | and while i'm here.. i wonder something about alsa for my desktop computer, is dmix the way to go if i want to be able to play two sounds at the same time or? |
| 13:46.35 | Alphix | batch can also be useful for running jobs when system load is low |
| 13:46.46 | abrotman | isn't that what alsa does already? |
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| 13:46.55 | loxley | abrotman: hmm, not on my box :) |
| 13:47.04 | abrotman | see .. sound on linux REALLY SUCKS |
| 13:47.09 | Alphix | loxley: the best thing is to use programs which support alsa natively and dont try to go trough the oss compability layer |
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| 13:47.21 | loxley | Alphix: okay |
| 13:47.23 | bbrazil | VivekVC: I have to run - won't be back for a good few hours. Here's the link with the instructions: http://www.hybserv2.net/wiki/HybservCompileAndRun#Configurationandrunning |
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| 13:47.41 | resiak | Alphix, loxley: If your card doesn't support hardware mixing you still need to use dmix |
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| 13:47.50 | abrotman | !tell fred about root |
| 13:47.57 | abrotman | !wishlist |
| 13:47.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, wishlist is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPEWishlist |
| 13:48.03 | Alphix | resiak: yes....thats true |
| 13:48.11 | Alphix | loxley: what card is it? |
| 13:48.17 | abrotman | well .. i was going to put #) fix sound in linux ... but oh well |
| 13:48.30 | loxley | Alphix: this is the module -> snd_intel8x0 |
| 13:48.41 | shad0wcat | that's not the module |
| 13:48.47 | shad0wcat | the module name is snd-intel8x0 |
| 13:48.48 | VivekVC | bbrazil: no, i not have the connect block |
| 13:48.49 | loxley | Alphix: nvidia nforce2 ac97 mumbojumbo |
| 13:49.01 | shad0wcat | you listed the alias, not the module name |
| 13:49.11 | bbrazil | VivekVC: there's you problem then. there's also instructinos in README.Debian.gz |
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| 13:49.39 | nige | I deleted my main toolbar, how do I get it back? |
| 13:49.42 | loxley | nForce2 AC97 Audio Controler |
| 13:49.47 | Alphix | loxley: I dont know if it supports several streams in hardware, try it......I also use the same module but with Intel-Laptop-Crappadelic-2000 soundcard....and it works with several streams |
| 13:49.49 | shad0wcat | nige: main toolbar of what? |
| 13:49.56 | Norbert | question: when inserting my USB stick, I can mount it as /dev/sda1 because that special device is being created on the fly (by Nautilus? Gnome? Kernel?) - but this does not happen with my USB camera, I tried MAKEDEV, but that has no effect - any thoughts on this? |
| 13:50.03 | nige | the main debian toolbar with the clock and those sort of things |
| 13:50.12 | shad0wcat | so create a new one |
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| 13:50.16 | nige | okay |
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| 13:50.18 | tarzeau | nige: it doesn't exist |
| 13:50.20 | loxley | Alphix: okay, will try some |
| 13:50.25 | VivekVC | bbrazil: Thanks |
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| 13:50.32 | shad0wcat | you can have as many bars in gnome as you want |
| 13:50.39 | shad0wcat | but you'd get a bit confused after four I think |
| 13:50.42 | Alphix | Norbert: maybe the camera isnt a usb mass storage....try using gphoto2 to get the pics (it will use stuff under /proc/bus/usb instead) |
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| 13:51.02 | shad0wcat | Alphix: I just take the card out and stick it in my card reader |
| 13:51.03 | shad0wcat | less hassle |
| 13:51.09 | nige | ahh i gotcha now |
| 13:51.31 | shad0wcat | plus flash cards double great as "floppies" |
| 13:51.33 | XmarcX | bannedit, WOOHOO, SOUND :D |
| 13:51.34 | Norbert | Alphix: well, it used to work as an USB mass storage device, but for some reason it stopped working like that - I'll try gphoto2 |
| 13:51.47 | Alphix | shad0wcat: I use a udev script which auto-pulls all pictures and clears the camera when I connect it...works well for me |
| 13:51.49 | bannedit | XmarcX good deal |
| 13:51.54 | shad0wcat | Norbert: take the flash out and stick it into a card reader |
| 13:52.05 | shad0wcat | speaking of udev |
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| 13:52.10 | VivekVC | bbrazil: Thanks for that info and your help. I appreciate it |
| 13:52.11 | Norbert | shad0wcat: I don't want to buy a card reader |
| 13:52.12 | shad0wcat | hotplug got absorbed into udev I heard |
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| 13:52.23 | nige | hmm |
| 13:52.25 | nige | thanks for that |
| 13:52.26 | nige | :) |
| 13:52.33 | nige | was a little nutty |
| 13:52.37 | bannedit | abortman and you doubted me? |
| 13:52.40 | bannedit | lol j/k |
| 13:52.45 | abrotman | doubted? |
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| 13:52.49 | shad0wcat | nige: there's a reason I don't use gnome |
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| 13:52.53 | shad0wcat | one because it's butt ugly |
| 13:52.57 | nige | do you use kde? |
| 13:52.59 | abrotman | bannedit: no .. i just said to go to #alsa because he was using thier sources |
| 13:53.05 | aidehua | vi! |
| 13:53.11 | shad0wcat | nige: yep |
| 13:53.14 | bannedit | abortman nod I'm just kidding |
| 13:53.21 | nige | does kde have better monitor controls? |
| 13:53.30 | abrotman | monitor controls ? |
| 13:53.33 | nige | as in allowing 2 monitors :) without it being cloned? |
| 13:53.39 | abrotman | your monitor has no controls ? |
| 13:53.44 | nige | LOL |
| 13:53.45 | nige | no |
| 13:53.49 | abrotman | nige: kde has nothing to do with that |
| 13:53.54 | md5sum | !lol |
| 13:53.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 13:53.56 | nige | so thats still Xorg |
| 13:53.57 | nige | :) |
| 13:53.59 | tarzeau | mine's got a remote control |
| 13:54.01 | Norbert | Alphix: gphoto2 cannot detect the camera |
| 13:54.05 | aidehua | nige: isn't it your X server that handles multiple monitors? |
| 13:54.05 | Shorty` | ahahah. |
| 13:54.08 | ed_ | what tools are there to check the installed binaries against what the package contains? |
| 13:54.11 | tarzeau | that were the monitors! |
| 13:54.17 | nige | well thats xorg :) |
| 13:54.31 | nige | i might go install the ati drivers |
| 13:54.33 | asg | ed_: debsums |
| 13:54.36 | shad0wcat | lol ati |
| 13:54.39 | shad0wcat | !ati |
| 13:54.39 | nige | they are a pain and dont work properly |
| 13:54.39 | dpkg | Read http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseAti |
| 13:54.40 | nige | I know |
| 13:54.41 | nige | :( |
| 13:54.43 | ed_ | asg, thanks |
| 13:54.46 | Norbert | it's because the device does not exist in /dev/ |
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| 13:54.53 | nige | I thought i was being smart at one stage getting it |
| 13:54.55 | nige | :P |
| 13:55.10 | md5sum | !tell nige about xinerama |
| 13:55.22 | nige | ohh xinerama was nasty! |
| 13:55.26 | aidehua | !beer bier |
| 13:55.31 | alexey | shad0wcat: That's a sin ! |
| 13:55.40 | nige | lol |
| 13:55.44 | nige | I will admit it |
| 13:55.44 | alexey | :) |
| 13:55.45 | md5sum | xinerama is da shit |
| 13:55.47 | shad0wcat | alexey: he shouldn't have bought ATI then |
| 13:55.54 | shad0wcat | not our fault he's got WinHardware |
| 13:55.55 | nige | I am rather noobie with linux |
| 13:56.03 | ttick | hmm, anyone know a good solvent to take off a 'made for xp' sticker w/o damaging the high-quality *cough* plastic of my laptop? |
| 13:56.07 | nige | its a fresh install of debain cause ubuntu died on me today |
| 13:56.12 | shad0wcat | ATI+Wintel is a "winning" combination |
| 13:56.13 | md5sum | a rather noobie... hmmm |
| 13:56.13 | shad0wcat | ;) |
| 13:56.23 | nige | to my credit, i did get wirless working with wpa on my linux laptop |
| 13:56.24 | nige | :) |
| 13:56.28 | asg | ttick: just paste another sticker over the top |
| 13:56.30 | nige | oso i cant be too nooobie |
| 13:56.33 | md5sum | ttick: a chisel and hammer |
| 13:56.39 | ttick | nige: did you try to do a net-install of "testing" today? It crapped out on me. :/ |
| 13:56.47 | nige | um |
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| 13:56.53 | nige | i was on stable i think |
| 13:56.55 | shad0wcat | ttick: I just took it off |
| 13:56.56 | nige | :( |
| 13:57.06 | shad0wcat | don't use the bloody daily install images |
| 13:57.08 | nige | but i lost access to my applications menu bar |
| 13:57.12 | shad0wcat | they're not supposed to work |
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| 13:57.29 | nige | yer but you thought stable may have worked properly like |
| 13:57.30 | shad0wcat | hmm |
| 13:57.30 | nige | :P |
| 13:57.35 | shad0wcat | it does |
| 13:57.40 | shad0wcat | not our fault you go deleting panels |
| 13:57.56 | shad0wcat | plus gnome in unstable is severely broken at the moment |
| 13:58.09 | nige | no no |
| 13:58.15 | nige | this was completely unrealted |
| 13:58.20 | nige | unrelated rather |
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| 13:59.08 | md5sum | unstable==NOT STABLE |
| 13:59.14 | md5sum | why do people not get that? |
| 13:59.27 | tarzeau | md5sum: because it's not true? |
| 13:59.27 | nige | yer |
| 13:59.31 | nige | but i was on STABLE |
| 13:59.39 | nige | not unstable |
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| 14:00.11 | Norbert | question: how to create /dev/sd* devices? (running MAKEDEV has no effect) |
| 14:00.21 | md5sum | tarzeau: I suppose that's why they have seperate names for each distribution, one being stable, one being unstable, and one being testing, then? :P |
| 14:00.25 | shad0wcat | Norbert: you don't |
| 14:00.37 | tarzeau | md5sum: testing isn't better than unstable |
| 14:00.40 | md5sum | distribution==release |
| 14:00.41 | shad0wcat | the /dev system is handled by udev |
| 14:00.41 | tarzeau | md5sum: they are just names |
| 14:00.44 | stew | Norbert: are you using udev? |
| 14:00.59 | tarzeau | md5sum: a knife is not always dangerous |
| 14:01.07 | md5sum | tarzeau: I hate to disagree with you, but sid fucked up my machine, whereas I'm on etch now and it's perfect |
| 14:01.08 | tarzeau | md5sum: it can be very useful to cut bread too |
| 14:01.18 | tarzeau | md5sum: sid did not, YOU did |
| 14:01.24 | md5sum | okay, no |
| 14:01.26 | tarzeau | md5sum: then YOU are the problem |
| 14:01.26 | Norbert | stew: ehm, no... |
| 14:01.27 | md5sum | don't think so |
| 14:01.31 | tarzeau | md5sum: i do |
| 14:01.35 | shad0wcat | md5sum: etch has more problems than sid does |
| 14:01.38 | hawking | I try to install fluxconf when I do ./configure it gives some errors lke : sh: gtk-config: command not found what should i do?? |
| 14:01.40 | md5sum | I noticed, thanks for the input |
| 14:01.48 | shad0wcat | mainly because of the broken packages that make it into etch |
| 14:01.58 | shad0wcat | it takes weeks for packages in etch to be updated |
| 14:02.02 | shad0wcat | in sid it takes hours |
| 14:02.23 | shad0wcat | that said, when things break in sid, they BREAK badly |
| 14:02.31 | shad0wcat | whereas in etch you just get really annoyed |
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| 14:02.52 | stew | Norbert: did you try MAKEDEV /dev/sda? |
| 14:03.00 | tarzeau | shad0wcat: and experimental? |
| 14:03.13 | shad0wcat | tarzeau: let's not go there |
| 14:03.15 | Norbert | stew: yes - it tells me ./MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "/dev/sda" |
| 14:03.15 | shad0wcat | then again |
| 14:03.22 | shad0wcat | I run OO.org off experimental |
| 14:03.25 | shad0wcat | call me crazy |
| 14:03.39 | Norbert | stew: which is strange, because my USB stick works on /dev/sda1 (created on the fly, when I insert the stick) |
| 14:03.43 | stew | Norbert: err, cd /dev ; MAKDEDEV sda |
| 14:03.48 | md5sum | shad0wcat: crazy |
| 14:03.51 | md5sum | =D |
| 14:03.54 | stew | Norbert: oh you are using udev then |
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| 14:04.05 | nige | okay |
| 14:04.08 | nige | I have another question |
| 14:04.14 | nige | how do i connect to my other share |
| 14:04.15 | nige | a |
| 14:04.20 | stew | Norbert: does "dpkg -l udev" spit out a line starting with ii? |
| 14:04.20 | nige | share's rather |
| 14:04.24 | nige | its on a samba box |
| 14:04.28 | Norbert | stew: hum... okay, my system may be using that - I'm not used to it, it may be because of the new kernel version |
| 14:04.33 | nige | and when i go smb://192.168.1.75 it doesnt find it |
| 14:04.46 | nige | although previous to install smbclient it was okay |
| 14:04.51 | Norbert | stew: ii udev 0.056-3 /dev/ management daemon |
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| 14:05.33 | md5sum | nige: #samba |
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| 14:06.01 | e | hi \0/ |
| 14:06.11 | stew | Norbert: so then you don't run MAKEDEV, you need to configure udev, you might need to add rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/local.rules, read /usr/share/doc/udev/* |
| 14:06.20 | nige | anyways |
| 14:06.23 | nige | I need to run |
| 14:06.26 | nige | thanks for all your help |
| 14:06.29 | nige | its bed time |
| 14:06.29 | Norbert | stew: okay, thx |
| 14:06.30 | nige | gnite |
| 14:06.36 | shad0wcat | bed? |
| 14:06.41 | shad0wcat | we don't sleep in here |
| 14:06.52 | nige | lol some of us do |
| 14:07.04 | shad0wcat | bah you haven't installed the uptime package |
| 14:07.18 | nige | who |
| 14:07.20 | nige | ? |
| 14:07.23 | row | Is there a way I can disable/turn off my parallel port, as I am getting timeouts and stuff in syslog and I never ever use it. |
| 14:07.34 | dxminxs | i went back to hotplug, removed udev, all usb devices work again |
| 14:07.53 | Norbert | dxminxs: that sounds like what I will do soon |
| 14:07.58 | shad0wcat | dxminxs: the new udev breaks a lot of stuff |
| 14:08.02 | dxminxs | yup |
| 14:08.03 | Norbert | dxminxs: because everything worked fine until recently |
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| 14:08.35 | stew | shad0wcat: like what? |
| 14:08.44 | Norbert | stew: my camera |
| 14:08.49 | Norbert | stew: it used to work ;-) |
| 14:08.50 | shad0wcat | stew: pay attention |
| 14:08.58 | row | I am running hotplug udev not installed. |
| 14:09.16 | deepan | how do i remove the panael compleatly in xfce ... i dont want the panel at all .. |
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| 14:10.03 | stew | shad0wcat: i am. what is an example of what the new udev breaks? |
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| 14:10.19 | Norbert | stew: my camera worked, and it stopped working because of udev |
| 14:10.26 | Norbert | stew: you just tried to help me out, remember...? |
| 14:10.38 | stew | Norbert: he said the new udev. if you had the new udev it wouldn't be a problem |
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| 14:10.45 | cahoot | row: disbale it in bios? inibit loading of parport ? |
| 14:10.46 | toko123 | greetings |
| 14:10.55 | cahoot | row: disable |
| 14:10.59 | stew | Norbert: the newest udev adds /dev/sda entries automatically, you have an old one that doesn't |
| 14:11.10 | toko123 | where is .htaccess for apache found in the repositories? |
| 14:11.21 | Norbert | stew: okay, I thought he meant "new udev" as opposed to "hotplug" |
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| 14:11.30 | Sir_LeChucK | hi #debian |
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| 14:11.37 | row | cahoot: k will try that later. |
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| 14:11.53 | dxminxs | !tell aliumalik about nm guide |
| 14:11.54 | row | what package is required for rrdtool to be able to make gif graphs? |
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| 14:12.52 | Sir_LeChucK | the font of my gtk apps looks way too big, is there any way to configure that ? |
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| 14:13.29 | ac3 | Hi |
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| 14:13.41 | cahoot | Sir_LeChucK: got correct dpi set for your display? |
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| 14:14.15 | ac3 | I have lots of small textfiles. I want to add an empty line at the end of each file. How can i do this? |
| 14:14.25 | Sir_LeChucK | cahoot: mm... i dunno... where should i look that ? |
| 14:14.27 | asg | Sir_LeChucK: try switch or switch2 in the gtk-theme-switch package if setting your dpi doesn't get you the results you need |
| 14:14.52 | stew | ac3: for a in * ; do echo >> $a; done |
| 14:15.00 | ac3 | thx:) |
| 14:15.14 | cahoot | Sir_LeChucK: xdpyinfo tells you the current setting |
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| 14:16.45 | Sir_LeChucK | asg, cahoot : mm... i dun have a gtk-theme-switch.. how do i change my dpi conf ? |
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| 14:17.26 | asg | Sir_LeChucK: apt-get install gtk-theme-switch. dpi setting depends on how X is started |
| 14:17.47 | Soeki | on debian, running a binary file is alwasy ./binaryfile ? |
| 14:18.04 | Soeki | i have this program called adminbot |
| 14:18.04 | asg | Soeki: or /full/path/to/binaryfile |
| 14:18.08 | pumpkin0 | i have to rename a shitlot of files from <bla>.tmp to <bla>.bak. any ideas ? |
| 14:18.11 | md5sum | Soeki: unless it is in your path, and you must make sure it has executable permission |
| 14:18.16 | asg | pumpkin0: man rename |
| 14:18.29 | Soeki | -bash: ./adminbot: Permission denied |
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| 14:18.37 | Soeki | this is what it says |
| 14:18.39 | asg | Soeki: ls -l ./adminbot |
| 14:19.05 | Soeki | -rw-r--r-- |
| 14:19.06 | Sir_LeChucK | asg: do u mean in the XF86Config-4 ? |
| 14:19.12 | md5sum | Soeki: chmod +x ./adminbot |
| 14:19.16 | asg | Sir_LeChucK: chmod 755 ./adminbot |
| 14:19.20 | westside | is there a way I can find out if there are any unmounted disks on a system without rebooting and looking at the bios? |
| 14:19.24 | Soeki | ohh |
| 14:19.27 | Soeki | chmod |
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| 14:19.31 | Soeki | thank! you |
| 14:19.43 | Sir_LeChucK | asg: wrong user :p |
| 14:19.43 | pumpkin0 | asg: thanks, but what perlexp do i need ? |
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| 14:19.59 | asg | Sir_LeChucK: it's early ;) |
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| 14:20.21 | stew | westside: "fdisk -l" lists all known partitions |
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| 14:20.31 | westside | stew: nice thx! |
| 14:20.33 | Sir_LeChucK | asg: =) |
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| 14:20.44 | westside | pumpkin0 you could use sed too |
| 14:20.52 | asg | pumpkin0: s#.tmp#.bak# (test it first before you do it on all files) |
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| 14:21.41 | westside | pumpkin0: for a in *.tmp; do mv $a `echo $a | sed -e s/.tmp/.bak/`; done |
| 14:21.45 | westside | something like that |
| 14:21.50 | pumpkin0 | asg: THX |
| 14:21.53 | Sir_LeChucK | oh i have one more lil question :P, i want to change the volume and rexima and kmix say "mixer not found"... what does this mean ? |
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| 14:22.51 | Norbert | this is insane |
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| 14:22.56 | Norbert | udev is no good |
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| 14:23.26 | Norbert | how can we actually expect this to be a good package for the average computer user if they have to add all kinds of specific info about their camera to files |
| 14:23.41 | westside | stew: fdisk -l didn't return anything |
| 14:23.47 | Norbert | I'm going to destroy udev and get my hotplug back |
| 14:23.59 | stew | westside: did you run it as root |
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| 14:24.11 | stew | Norbert: hotplug and udev are not mutually exclusive |
| 14:24.15 | dxminxs | Norbert: quit pulling your hair out and do it |
| 14:24.17 | westside | stew: don't have root |
| 14:24.37 | westside | is there anything in /proc or /var/log I might look at ? |
| 14:24.42 | stew | westside: /proc/partitions |
| 14:24.45 | Furio_G | hey folks, Everytime i reboot my comp it loads my on board sound card. Can I just blacklist the module for it or is that bad practise? |
| 14:25.06 | Norbert | apt-get remove udev -> the following packages will be REMOVED: gnome gnome-desktop-environment gnome-volume-manager hal udev |
| 14:25.11 | md5sum | Furio_G: you should be able to disable it in BIOS |
| 14:25.17 | Norbert | that's great, why don't you remove gnome, yeah, sure |
| 14:25.44 | dxminxs | it doesnt remove gnome, im in it now |
| 14:26.04 | stew | Norbert: gnome-volume-manager relies on udev, that's the only thing your are losing, gnome and gnome-desktop-environment are just virtual packages that don't provide any programs |
| 14:26.18 | Norbert | okay, thx |
| 14:26.25 | Furio_G | md5sum, ok cheers mate. One more thing, I cant get smeg to work, people have told me to update python-xdg to 0.15 but I cannot find it anywhere. Is it too much trouble or should I look for a better menu editor for gnome? |
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| 14:28.03 | md5sum | Furio_G: it's not even in unstable yet |
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| 14:28.51 | clusty | how can i reset my root passwd? |
| 14:28.55 | clusty | :-D |
| 14:29.00 | asg | clusty: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 14:29.14 | clusty | thanx |
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| 14:30.05 | Norbert | ah, it's working again ;-) |
| 14:30.09 | Norbert | thanks for the help |
| 14:30.26 | stew | Norbert: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html#example-camera |
| 14:30.47 | Norbert | no more udev |
| 14:30.50 | Norbert | it's working again ;-) |
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| 14:31.53 | Soeki | how can i change an access host for mysql? like put user@% so i can access from any machine? |
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| 14:32.55 | asg | Soeki: you need to configure mysql to listen on a network interface besides localhost |
| 14:34.04 | Soeki | Server error: Host 'localhost.localdomain' is not allowed to connect to this MySQL server |
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| 14:35.16 | loxley | Soeki: and in hosts.allow also if you have it strict |
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| 14:35.43 | mrec | does anyone know how I can add a line in syslog? |
| 14:35.48 | mrec | to* |
| 14:36.20 | Norbert | mrec: # echo extra line >> /var/log/syslog |
| 14:36.25 | loxley | Soeki: bind-address = 0.0.0.0 to listen on all interfaces (my.cnf) |
| 14:36.40 | mrec | Norbert: nah so that it shows up in dmesg |
| 14:36.51 | Soeki | i will try |
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| 14:36.59 | mrec | there was a command for it.. think it was logger but it doesn't do anything |
| 14:37.38 | Norbert | mrec: you can add stuff to /etc/rc*.d |
| 14:37.45 | mrec | logger adds to syslog ah yes.. |
| 14:38.02 | stew | mrec: dmesg is the kernel ring buffer, userspace tools don't write to it |
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| 14:39.08 | mrec | stew: I know but maybe there's a command which triggers a printk somewhere :) |
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| 14:42.53 | solemnwarning | i want to do a source compile of postfix 2.2 |
| 14:43.04 | asg | then do so |
| 14:43.12 | solemnwarning | how can i remove the mta with apt without it removing mysql and many other apps? |
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| 14:43.42 | asg | solemnwarning: use equivs to build a dummy package that provides mail-transport-agent |
| 14:43.52 | solemnwarning | i tried that |
| 14:44.05 | solemnwarning | i dont understand equivs |
| 14:44.17 | asg | solemnwarning: there are example control files in /usr/share/equivs |
| 14:44.24 | solemnwarning | :\ |
| 14:44.30 | solemnwarning | wtf is a control file? |
| 14:45.00 | asg | solemnwarning: or rather /usr/share/doc/equivs/examples |
| 14:45.24 | asg | solemnwarning: man equivs-build |
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| 14:50.11 | surfdue | hello |
| 14:50.17 | red_line | hello |
| 14:50.20 | surfdue | i use ubuntu, but isnt ubuntu based on debian distro? |
| 14:50.30 | red_line | debian distro |
| 14:50.31 | asg | surfdue: #ubuntu |
| 14:50.33 | surfdue | ok |
| 14:50.35 | md5sum | !based on debian |
| 14:50.35 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 14:50.46 | surfdue | whoa guys i mean no harm |
| 14:50.51 | md5sum | :) |
| 14:51.06 | md5sum | we just use those for recurring responses that are used often :) |
| 14:51.15 | md5sum | no offense meant |
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| 14:51.44 | surfdue | well i was thinking one of you are smarted then #ubuntu |
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| 14:51.48 | surfdue | and you may be able to help me abit |
| 14:51.57 | red_line | only in English? |
| 14:51.59 | md5sum | haha |
| 14:52.03 | surfdue | on apt-get -f install i get this error, dpkg ../../src/packages.c:191 process-queue: assertion 'depentry <=4' failed, stopped unexpectedly <<< how do i fix this? |
| 14:52.30 | surfdue | nah im not normally bad at typing mate, I just woke up :) |
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| 14:53.02 | Daffy-PKF | does someone use livecast and shoudcast? i only ear noises... |
| 14:53.10 | asg | surfdue: check ubuntu's bug tracker |
| 14:53.16 | sussudio | you only 'ear noises, guv? |
| 14:53.21 | surfdue | hmm |
| 14:53.21 | Daffy-PKF | oups, liveICE and icecast |
| 14:53.53 | md5sum | !sussudio |
| 14:53.53 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, md5sum! |
| 14:54.07 | Norbert | surfdue: Google has some hits, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=%22depentry+%3C%3D4%22&btnG=Search |
| 14:54.36 | md5sum | Norbert: google linux probably gets more results than straight google ;) |
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| 14:54.47 | md5sum | Norbert: if not more, more relevant |
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| 14:55.11 | Norbert | md5sum: 0 |
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| 14:55.35 | md5sum | weird |
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| 15:01.02 | jawong | hey there. i'm not sure if this is a debian question, or a networking question. Everything was working fine yesterday. I tried to ping my debian server today, and look at it via port 80, and there's no response. However, if I ssh into another machine in the internal network, i can ping and ssh into it just fine. what should i be looking at? |
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| 15:01.51 | asg | jawong: firewall issue possibly |
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| 15:02.06 | jawong | asg - how do i check? |
| 15:02.23 | asg | jawong: ask your network admins if they changed anything. |
| 15:02.25 | jawong | i don't see the equivalent of iptables |
| 15:03.33 | jawong | oh wait, there is iptables |
| 15:04.04 | jawong | nope. looks like the default is to accept |
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| 15:04.20 | asg | jawong: I was referring to perimeter firewalls between you and your server. |
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| 15:04.32 | jawong | as in hardware routers? |
| 15:04.39 | megabit | Hi!! Can you help me with install TORSCS? |
| 15:04.43 | asg | jawong: yes |
| 15:04.51 | jawong | shit. that means i have to drive to the office. |
| 15:05.03 | valdyn_ | megabit: like 'apt-get install torcs' ? |
| 15:05.07 | asg | megabit: apt-cache search torscs ; apt-get install <whatever it returns that looks like what you want> |
| 15:05.27 | Norbert | what is torscs |
| 15:05.50 | asg | Norbert: probably means torcs but it's anyone's guess these days |
| 15:05.53 | jawong | as far as i know, nothing's changed, cause no one's been inside the office |
| 15:06.04 | jawong | which can only mean someone hacked it last night |
| 15:06.28 | asg | jawong: maybe the upstream isp is blocking it; it's hard to say. You could try doing a traceroute to both it and the other machine you can access and see if they differ in some way |
| 15:06.47 | jawong | well, they both use the same ip address, just different ports |
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| 15:07.10 | Norbert | megabit: try downloading http://surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/torcs/torcs-1.2.4-linux-glibc-2.3-i686.bz2.run |
| 15:07.20 | asg | Norbert: he can apt-get install it |
| 15:07.44 | megabit | valdyn_, I installed it with synaptic and it say: I need plib1.8.4 but I have plib1.8.4-2 why cant I use plib1.8.4-2? |
| 15:07.45 | Norbert | oh okay |
| 15:08.03 | asg | jawong: you said above that 'if I ssh into another machine in the internal network....' Is it a separate machine or the same one with sshd listening on 2 different ports? |
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| 15:08.24 | jawong | it's a separte machine listening on another port |
| 15:08.43 | asg | jawong: oh, so you are port forwarding to 2 machines from a single routable ip? |
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| 15:08.49 | jawong | yeah |
| 15:08.57 | jawong | but it's always worked before? |
| 15:09.02 | asg | jawong: then I'd think the problem is on the router that is doing the forwarding |
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| 15:09.16 | jawong | but nothing's changed, unless the hardware's blown |
| 15:09.24 | asg | jawong: always possible |
| 15:09.56 | jawong | but wouldn't i not be able to access the machine entirely? |
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| 15:10.15 | asg | jawong: it may have lost the port forwarding rule to the one but not the other |
| 15:10.22 | jawong | ah. |
| 15:10.27 | jawong | so i may have to reset it |
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| 15:11.04 | megabit | Norbert, Link http://surfnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/torcs/torcs-1.2.4-linux-glibc-2.3-i686.bz2.run doesnt work. |
| 15:11.45 | Morydd | using the 2.6.12 kernel image from apt, I'm getting a kernel panic. "Please append a correct "root=" boot option. |
| 15:11.48 | Norbert | megabit: yes it does |
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| 15:12.11 | dvs | Morydd: Are you using lilo? |
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| 15:12.20 | Morydd | dvs: yes. |
| 15:12.21 | ac3 | How can i move all lines starting with a certain string to the top of the file? (to the 2e line) |
| 15:12.24 | stew | Morydd: you need to tell your bootloader about the initrd |
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| 15:12.43 | St_Iron | hi |
| 15:12.51 | dvs | Morydd: You have to fix your /etc/lilo.conf file so that the root= option points to the right drive |
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| 15:13.34 | asg | jawong: at least look at the config to see if has changed. Reset it if it has. |
| 15:13.54 | stew | Morydd: you need to add a initrd=/initrd.img line to the section of the lilo.conf for this kernel |
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| 15:14.03 | jawong | how weird. i can ssh into the machine now, but i can't see the websites it's serving |
| 15:14.13 | stew | megabit: are you on stable? |
| 15:14.14 | megabit | Norbert, Sorry I have here some problem, (: |
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| 15:14.23 | jawong | oh strange, it came back up |
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| 15:14.35 | Guerin | ac3: sed or awk wizardry |
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| 15:14.36 | megabit | stew, No unstable. |
| 15:14.50 | jawong | so it sounds like hardware that's going wonky, then yah, asg? |
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| 15:14.56 | asg | jawong: that would be my analysis |
| 15:15.02 | stew | megabit: why aren't you using the debian pacakge of torcs? |
| 15:15.06 | jawong | so i should replace the thing ASAP? |
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| 15:15.16 | ac3 | Guerin: i´m not much of a sed or awk wizzard:( |
| 15:15.19 | asg | jawong: well, check it first to see if it has anything critical in the logs |
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| 15:15.33 | jawong | it's one of those linksys things. i don't think it keeps logs |
| 15:15.37 | asg | jawong: it may just have gone off but is otherwise fine. Then again, it might be a terminal problem. |
| 15:15.44 | Guerin | ac3: why the second line? |
| 15:15.53 | Guerin | ac3: what's supposed to be on the first line? |
| 15:15.56 | jawong | i'll let it run for a bit |
| 15:16.31 | ac3 | problem is i have an ldif, and all objectClass lines are not right after the dn: as they should be |
| 15:16.40 | asg | jawong: *nod* |
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| 15:16.44 | xuxa | Has anyone here installed debian amd64 on an SATA drive? Ive got an nForce 3 chipset and I'm getting "nv_sata: Primary/Secondary device added/removed" messages that fill the screen. |
| 15:16.44 | Guerin | ac3: that means nothing to me |
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| 15:16.56 | ac3 | first line is "dn: sbn=user,dc=domain,dc=com" |
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| 15:17.03 | rossi | hi |
| 15:17.10 | asg | xuxa: try #debian-amd64 |
| 15:17.10 | jawong | xuxa, i'm trying to do the same installationg with RAID 1, and it's not detecting the hardware configuration default |
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| 15:17.21 | rossi | anyone can help me to setup my dvb-t usb box for my notebook |
| 15:17.30 | xuxa | jawong: ok, I think I was able to get RAID 1 working but I'm still getting these tons of messages |
| 15:17.31 | rossi | I have kernel 2.6.8 |
| 15:17.32 | stew | ac3: grep somestring file > file.tmp ; grep -v somestring file >> file.tmp ; mv file.tmp file ; then move the dn: line back to the top with an editor |
| 15:17.36 | rossi | I think |
| 15:17.36 | xuxa | asg: will do. Thanks! |
| 15:17.43 | ac3 | i have a textfile with about 20 lines all in this form: "keyword: value" |
| 15:17.44 | xuxa | jawong: I used this howto: |
| 15:17.49 | iostream_ | Hmmm, my system won't reboot... It's a stock kernel, ACPI is enabled in bios and supported by the motherboard. When I do a shutdown -r now, it says: Rebooting.. System restarting... and hangs there.. What am I doing wrong? |
| 15:17.50 | Guerin | stew: you read my mind |
| 15:17.53 | rossi | are the modules included in 2.6.10 I think |
| 15:17.55 | xuxa | jawong: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 15:17.58 | ac3 | stew: i´ll try that:) |
| 15:18.03 | jawong | that works with AMD64? |
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| 15:18.40 | xuxa | jawong: I *think* it's working in my case. I have a k8n neo2 motherboard |
| 15:18.45 | xuxa | jawong: you? |
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| 15:18.51 | LnX | Hello |
| 15:18.51 | dvs | iostream_: Is APM loaded too? |
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| 15:18.55 | jawong | shoot, i don't even know... |
| 15:18.59 | jawong | it's at a friend's house |
| 15:19.02 | stew | rossi: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:19.03 | jawong | ouch. the site is down |
| 15:19.04 | LnX | Could someboy help me on SATA problem on Sarge with 2.4 kernel ? |
| 15:19.09 | LnX | somebody* |
| 15:19.15 | xuxa | hiya LnX |
| 15:19.16 | rossi | stew sarge |
| 15:19.16 | dvs | LnX: Nope. Not possible |
| 15:19.23 | LnX | Hello xuxa |
| 15:19.26 | rossi | I have the 2 first dvdr |
| 15:19.28 | iostream_ | dvs: No. |
| 15:19.30 | rossi | stable |
| 15:19.34 | xuxa | LnX: I'm here with an SATA problem myself so I doubt I'll be helpful. :) |
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| 15:19.38 | megabit | stew, When I install it it say me I need plib1.8.4 but I can install only plib1.8.4-2. But I try it now again and it go (: |
| 15:19.39 | liran_ | ok, im after aptitude dist-upgrade... still xfree86 cant initiate right (a 'no screens found' error) on my geforce2 video card. how about installing xorg instead? |
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| 15:19.50 | rossi | and installed kernel 2.6.8 for p4 I think |
| 15:19.50 | megabit | Thanks all (: |
| 15:19.57 | dvs | iostream_: So the apm kernel modules isn't loaded? |
| 15:20.06 | LnX | I explain my problem : I have ICH5R controller. To install, it's ok, thanks to initrd. But then, if I try to make my own kernel... It doesn't pass |
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| 15:20.12 | stew | rossi: for dvb you really want to be running a 2.6.12 or 2.6.13 kernel |
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| 15:20.19 | rossi | yes |
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| 15:20.31 | LnX | I mean : I get Host Protected => 1 when I reboot |
| 15:20.33 | rossi | so I download them seperate cause I have no internet at home |
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| 15:20.40 | rossi | and install them |
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| 15:20.45 | rossi | how do I load them |
| 15:20.48 | LnX | I get crazy, it's not the first time I compile kernel on SATA... But on this server :/ |
| 15:20.49 | rossi | lspci |
| 15:21.02 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm wondering about good GUI programs to transfer files by scp or sftp. Is it pretty much 'gftp', or is there other software I should try? Suggestions? |
| 15:21.04 | rossi | and how do I know the name I should load |
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| 15:21.29 | BladeRunner05 | Hi, How can with apt-cache search see the version of the application that can be installed ? |
| 15:21.31 | iostream_ | dvs: That's correct. lsmod doesn't list it. |
| 15:21.33 | Guerin | Xenguy: konqueror does a good job at being network-transparent |
| 15:21.34 | valdyn_ | Xenguy: konqueror, nautilus |
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| 15:21.40 | asg | BladeRunner05: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 15:21.52 | Xenguy | Guerin valdyn_ thanks guys |
| 15:21.54 | iostream_ | dvs: It shuts down fine with shutdown -h now. but it doesn't reboot correctly (as said) |
| 15:21.56 | stew | rossi: the name of what? the kernel module? |
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| 15:22.20 | dvs | iostream_: No idea then, sorry |
| 15:22.31 | BladeRunner05 | thanks asg |
| 15:22.33 | iostream_ | dvs: okay, it's a wierd machine. |
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| 15:22.52 | xuxa | iostream_: my previous machine was like that too, for what it's worth |
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| 15:23.41 | iostream_ | xuxa: Did you find a solution? |
| 15:23.43 | Morydd | in lilo exists root=/dev/hdc3 the old kernel starts fine, new kernel panics. |
| 15:24.06 | stew | Morydd: do you have an initrd= line for that kernel? |
| 15:24.15 | Morydd | in lilo? |
| 15:24.17 | stew | yes |
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| 15:24.41 | xuxa | iostream_: no, I never did. "shutdown -h now" works well but "shutdown -r now" always stalls the machine when it's trying to reboot. My solution is just to always use -h, and then hit the power button by hand |
| 15:24.45 | jawong | xuxa, you got raid working on amd64? |
| 15:24.47 | xuxa | iostream_: sorry I'm not more help. :) |
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| 15:24.59 | xuxa | jawong: I'm not completely sure, but I think so. |
| 15:25.16 | xuxa | jawong: I followed that howto, but there were a lot of moments where I was guessing |
| 15:25.49 | xuxa | jawong: I was sure it wasn't going to result in a bootable machine, but it seems to be working at the moment, albeit with those nv_sata errors flooding the screen constantly. :) |
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| 15:27.21 | LnX | xuxa : have you ever compiled kernel for ICH5R ? |
| 15:27.34 | Morydd | stew: does not appear that I do. Should that be in the image=/vmlinuz section? |
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| 15:28.49 | stew | Morydd: yes |
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| 15:29.15 | stew | Morydd: then rerun lilo and reboot |
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| 15:29.33 | Morydd | initrd= ? |
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| 15:30.08 | stew | Morydd: initrd=/initrd.img |
| 15:30.15 | liran_ | whats this package about nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386? does it mean i need to grab it if i have an nvidia geforce2 video card? |
| 15:30.22 | Morydd | thanks. |
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| 15:30.48 | Tortel | !tell liran_ about nvidia |
| 15:31.10 | Tortel | !tell liran_ about nvidia install |
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| 15:31.29 | EmleyMoor | How are libraries found in the absence of the LD_LIBRARY_PATH variable? I've recently had to set this but am having trouble understanding why |
| 15:31.36 | stew | liran_: unless you need 3d accelleration, you don't need to install anything extra for you nvidia card |
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| 15:32.07 | kittenbot | /etc/ld.so.conf ? |
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| 15:32.14 | liran_ | i dont mind about 3d accelleration stew but i cant get xfree86 to run |
| 15:32.25 | Guerin | liran_: /msg dpkg set up x |
| 15:32.38 | stew | EmleyMoor: man ld.so / man ldconfig |
| 15:32.41 | Guerin | liran_: choose nv |
| 15:33.10 | EmleyMoor | kittenbot: Well, yes, I know about that too... the thing is, I have had to set in LD_LIBRARY_PATH something that is in /etc/ld.so.conf already... I cannot understand why it is insisting on that |
| 15:33.27 | N0S3 | hello to all, with which I command do I discover if there are conflicts among packages? |
| 15:33.36 | liran_ | Guerin, choose nv where? |
| 15:33.45 | Guerin | N0S3: installed packages? apt-get -f install |
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| 15:33.55 | kittenbot | EmleyMoor: ldconfig -v ? |
| 15:33.55 | Guerin | liran_: in x config, as above |
| 15:33.58 | EmleyMoor | It seems that ld.so.cache is not picking up on all the content of /usr/local/lib |
| 15:34.00 | stew | liran_: during the xserer-xfree86 setup you will be asked which driver to use, use "nv" |
| 15:34.24 | N0S3 | Guerin ahh |
| 15:34.26 | loxley | guys, when running deborphan.. is it safe to remove those packages it finds? |
| 15:34.26 | liran_ | i was at it before and didnt see it, let me try again, hold on |
| 15:34.31 | EmleyMoor | (in fact, it is picking up on only one of the entries in there) |
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| 15:34.39 | dvs | loxley: The libraries for sure. |
| 15:34.51 | stew | liran_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:35.04 | N0S3 | Guerin thanks friend! |
| 15:35.10 | asg | EmleyMoor: /lib/ld-linux.so.2 run it as a command, there's some info |
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| 15:35.14 | loxley | dvs: okay, are they mostly leftovers from the upgrade from woody -> sarge? |
| 15:35.28 | dvs | loxley: You just upgraded? |
| 15:35.29 | N0S3 | it excuses the caused nuisances |
| 15:35.43 | loxley | dvs: nope i did when sarge was released |
| 15:36.17 | dvs | loxley: Those are basically libraries that aren't used by any programs. This could have accumulated over a long time |
| 15:36.21 | Morydd | uhg. That didn't work. |
| 15:36.25 | rossi | stew ? |
| 15:36.34 | loxley | dvs: allright, thx for the info :) |
| 15:36.42 | rossi | I dunno know the name of the kernel model to load for dvb |
| 15:36.42 | dvs | loxley: No problem |
| 15:36.54 | EmleyMoor | Does ldconfig only pick up on .so files?# |
| 15:37.42 | asg | EmleyMoor: I expect so, .a files are for static linking |
| 15:37.48 | kittenbot | .so == shared object |
| 15:38.18 | EmleyMoor | asg: Ah - so what I need to do, in all probability, is generate .so files - how do I do that? |
| 15:38.33 | Morydd | now the kernel boots, but can't start x |
| 15:38.36 | Morydd | whee |
| 15:38.48 | dvs | !drxx Morydd |
| 15:38.49 | dpkg | Morydd: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 15:39.05 | asg | EmleyMoor: there is an option passed to gcc (or maybe directly to ld) to generate dynamic libs |
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| 15:40.15 | liran_ | seems better only no mouse now |
| 15:40.29 | asg | EmleyMoor: #c would know all the juicy options |
| 15:40.31 | xuxa | LnX: no, I haven't sorry. I'm just learning the kernel compile ropes now... |
| 15:40.40 | liran_ | my mouse is connected to the old serial port, not the ps/2, so i should choose one of the ttys right? |
| 15:40.48 | LnX | ok xuxa :/ |
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| 15:40.58 | dvs | liran_: Yup |
| 15:41.12 | dvs | liran_: Try ttyS0 |
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| 15:41.54 | ambrose | Is there a simple program to allow me to write a single-voice melody in compact notation and play it back? brahms won't install, rosegarden4 won't talk to my sound devices (but kscd works) and seems rather complicated |
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| 15:43.11 | cahoot_ | ambrose: if nothing else you could try in #lad |
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| 15:43.11 | ambrose | thanks cahoot_ |
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| 15:43.16 | xuxa | ambrose: I've used the built-in speaker to play back melodies with "beep" |
| 15:43.21 | dimm0k | how do i set up dhcpd.conf to use the dns servers supplied by my isp's dhcp? |
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| 15:43.36 | xuxa | ambrose: but that's just silly, I suppose. :) |
| 15:43.40 | ambrose | Xuxa, I was hoping not to have to resort to that :-) |
| 15:43.48 | ambrose | xuxa, no, apparently not silly... |
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| 15:43.53 | bcc | hi guys, is openoffice 2 in the packages yet? |
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| 15:44.02 | bcc | i can only find 1.1.4 |
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| 15:44.45 | ambrose | csound requires you to be able to write the orchestra/score files... |
| 15:44.45 | Morydd | bah... I've rebooted 7 times today. |
| 15:45.00 | xuxa | ambrose: hehe. Best of luck. The folks at #lad are helpful and people in #ardour might be able to point you in the right direction |
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| 15:46.11 | asg | bcc: check with #debian-oo. They'll know before we do |
| 15:46.27 | liran_ | sweet |
| 15:46.29 | liran_ | x is working :) |
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| 15:47.12 | xuxa | ambrose: for what it's worth, the csound stuff isn't too hard to figure out for simple things |
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| 15:47.47 | theine | Hi, with which gcc version is the Debian kernel compiled? |
| 15:47.47 | Morydd | some days I feel like I'm starting over with linux for the first time. |
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| 15:48.03 | asg | theine: cat /proc/version |
| 15:48.11 | theine | asg, thanks |
| 15:48.25 | xuxa | Morydd: that makes two of us. :) |
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| 15:48.49 | ambrose | xuxa, thanks |
| 15:48.59 | xuxa | ambrose: what distro are you running now? |
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| 15:49.15 | ambrose | xuxa: debian sid |
| 15:49.28 | Morydd | can't get my second monitor working, can't get the new kernel running... |
| 15:49.40 | RvGaTe | Might it be possible that when doing package upgrading, that the config files may be invalid for the new version? is so, is there an easy way to find it out...? |
| 15:49.42 | xuxa | ambrose: strange that brahms won't install. |
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| 15:50.15 | ambrose | xuxa, dependency issues. Very strange as I've just dist-upgraded, but what they hey. It _is_ sid |
| 15:50.17 | xuxa | ambrose: If you want an immediate solution, maybe a DeMuDi Live CD would work? |
| 15:50.21 | xuxa | ambrose: :) |
| 15:50.27 | ambrose | xuxa, I'll keep trying over time |
| 15:50.38 | hannex | hi, i just tried to install etch via the testing-netinst img. at the end of "installing base system" it failed to install initrd |
| 15:50.46 | xuxa | ambrose: best of luck. I'm trying to ease into linux audio myself. |
| 15:50.49 | ambrose | xuxa, Hmm, re DeMuDi... I'll have a look for it |
| 15:50.55 | xuxa | http://www.agnula.org/Members/sama/demudi_1_1_1_news |
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| 15:51.14 | ambrose | xuxa, I'm just trying to learn my choir parts :-) I've lent my keyboard to someone, and don't play very well anyway |
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| 15:51.30 | bcc | asg: thanks |
| 15:52.05 | asg | you're welcome |
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| 15:52.58 | nathan_ | im trying to install gnome with unstable and geting this problem from apt: trying to overwrite `/usr/share/djvu/osi/de/libdjvu++.xml', which is also in package libdjvulibre1 |
| 15:53.05 | ghost_adsf | Hey all I've been fighting with this for 2 days now since I installed a new kernel. I followed the "nvidia howto" from dpkg and things seem to go fine, but when I restart gdm I'm left with the error mesage "Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/libfb.a:fbmmx.o": No symbols found" after 3 attempts to start. The only driver I can get to work is 'nv'. I'm at a loss. All the google results talk about reinstalling nvidia or reconfiguring xor |
| 15:53.09 | nathan_ | this shouldnt be broken surely |
| 15:53.22 | megabyte | join #c |
| 15:53.23 | asg | nathan_: it's unstable, nothing is guaranteed |
| 15:53.26 | asg | nathan_: check the bts |
| 15:53.30 | nathan_ | asg: true :) |
| 15:53.43 | asg | nathan_: if there isn't a bug. File one and use dpkg --force-help |
| 15:53.51 | Flammifer | Um, is it reasonable to try to use a mixed system (stable, and a few testing packages I need) using synaptic ? Or will he always complain about broken packages ? |
| 15:53.54 | surfdue | hey how do i change my eth0 connection settings |
| 15:53.56 | surfdue | i dont want to use dhcp |
| 15:54.01 | asg | surfdue: man 5 interfaces |
| 15:54.07 | surfdue | like a command like netsetup |
| 15:54.14 | surfdue | or something, i just forget |
| 15:54.20 | xuxa | surfdue: what are you trying to change? |
| 15:54.29 | asg | surfdue: there is etherconf (apt-get install it) |
| 15:54.29 | surfdue | im trying to manually configure my lan |
| 15:54.43 | surfdue | here is a command that all linux distros have |
| 15:54.48 | surfdue | its command not gui |
| 15:54.48 | xuxa | surfdue: read the man page for "ifconfig" |
| 15:55.14 | xuxa | I don't know much about networking but I know you can use ifconfig to set the IP address |
| 15:56.04 | asg | xuxa: he really needs to read interfaces(5) |
| 15:56.16 | xuxa | surfdue: listen to asg ! :) |
| 15:56.34 | Flammifer | what makes most sense: A) manually get the testing .deb packages I'm missing and install them with .dpkg (potential depenency hell), B) upgrade everything to testing or C) just download the source and install the stuff manually ? |
| 15:56.54 | surfdue | i would love to |
| 15:56.57 | surfdue | expect hmm |
| 15:56.59 | surfdue | where are they :) |
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| 15:57.04 | xuxa | asg: at the risk of asking a silly question, what's the "5" all about in "man 5 interfaces" |
| 15:57.08 | dvs | Flammifer: Using a mixed system is never a good idea |
| 15:57.12 | xuxa | surfdue: do you have a running linux system? |
| 15:57.28 | asg | xuxa: the section of the man database |
| 15:57.34 | mtnman | flammifer: better to compile the testing packages from source on the stable box. |
| 15:57.34 | asg | xuxa: man man |
| 15:57.35 | Flammifer | dvs, so, download the source and compile is probably the safest route :P |
| 15:57.40 | xuxa | asg: thank you |
| 15:57.41 | Flammifer | ok :) |
| 15:57.55 | surfdue | yep |
| 15:57.57 | stew | Flammifer: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:58.00 | cahoot_ | Flammifer: http://familiasanchez.net/~roberto/howtos/debcustomize |
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| 15:58.05 | mtnman | flammifer: man apt-get and look for -b source (apt-get -b source foopkg) |
| 15:58.12 | asg | xuxa: it's often helpful since some commands have multiple entries. (i.e. crontab(1) and crontab(5)) |
| 15:58.29 | xuxa | surfdue: in a terminal, type "man 5 interfaces". "man" is short for manual and it's one of the main ways of finding help in linux |
| 15:58.42 | xuxa | asg: aha, gotcha. I've always wondered that. Thank you |
| 15:58.52 | surfdue | ohh |
| 15:58.56 | surfdue | i knew that. |
| 15:58.59 | xuxa | :) |
| 15:59.06 | surfdue | just i thought you ment man pages on debian.org |
| 15:59.07 | rossi | how do I get the name of the dvb module for my dvb usb box |
| 15:59.09 | rossi | ?? |
| 15:59.11 | rossi | lspci |
| 15:59.14 | xuxa | surfdue: and do you know how to direct comments to people here on IRC? |
| 15:59.23 | hannex | i just tried to install etch via the testing-netinst img. at the end of "installing base system" it failed to install initrd. any ideas? maybe is it possible to do a netinst with the first of the regular set of images. |
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| 15:59.24 | rossi | and then where do I look for my chip |
| 15:59.24 | surfdue | nono been a awhile with linux xuxa :) |
| 15:59.24 | Flammifer | mtnman, getting the source package won't require any dependencies then ? (I'm still very unfamiliar with all this :P) |
| 15:59.28 | dvs | rossi: lsusb? |
| 15:59.30 | surfdue | auxu: ya |
| 15:59.33 | stew | xuxa: "man man " will tell you what the differenct section numbers are |
| 15:59.36 | surfdue | xuxu: ya |
| 15:59.37 | rossi | lsusb? |
| 15:59.39 | surfdue | ERR |
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| 15:59.45 | xuxa | stew: cool. thank you |
| 15:59.45 | surfdue | lol mispell mispell mispell.. |
| 15:59.47 | surfdue | brb |
| 15:59.47 | mtnman | flammifer: it may. |
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| 15:59.55 | dvs | rossi: Yeah, lsusb |
| 16:00.15 | xuxa | surfdue: ok, cool. Just wanted to make sure... as it's easy for people's comments to get lost here if they're not directed. |
| 16:00.19 | loxley | hmm, how can i get rid of this : xfs: ignoring font path element /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID (unreadable) |
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| 16:00.24 | rossi | and often I think the names of the modules differ from the chip name |
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| 16:00.30 | mtnman | flammifer: packages.debian.org is a good resource for checking dependencies. |
| 16:00.32 | rossi | from the original chip nahme |
| 16:00.41 | rossi | name |
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| 16:01.18 | xuxa | asg, stew: ah, it's all making sense... there's a *standard* to the section numbers! |
| 16:01.25 | xuxa | in man pages, I mean |
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| 16:01.35 | asg | xuxa: yes |
| 16:01.44 | rossi | dvs? |
| 16:01.58 | rossi | I have a dvb usb boch from san |
| 16:02.12 | orangerd | hi, im trying to install debian testing on my machine, and im getting a few errors on initrd-tools... |
| 16:02.13 | rossi | anyone knows the modules name |
| 16:02.22 | orangerd | the log says something about not being able to authenticate initrd-tools |
| 16:02.28 | cahoot_ | loxley: look in /etc/X11/fs/config |
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| 16:02.31 | asg | orangerd: /msg dpkg apt secure |
| 16:02.31 | dvs | rossi: Module names for what? |
| 16:02.32 | orangerd | tried changing mirrors, but with no luck... |
| 16:02.34 | surfdue | hmm i just love linux :) |
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| 16:02.39 | surfdue | its like perfect for me :) |
| 16:02.40 | surfdue | hehe |
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| 16:02.43 | loxley | cahoot_: thx dude, will do :) |
| 16:02.48 | hannex | i have same problem like orangerd |
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| 16:02.57 | xuxa | dvs: :) |
| 16:03.04 | rossi | for my dvb usb box |
| 16:03.09 | rossi | it is from san |
| 16:03.10 | hannex | orangerd: how did you change mirror? |
| 16:03.11 | dvs | rossi: No idea |
| 16:03.14 | orangerd | hannex, hm.. so i guess im not alone |
| 16:03.19 | orangerd | hannex, went with expert install |
| 16:03.24 | asg | !apt secure |
| 16:03.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt secure is in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://www.syntaxpolice.org/apt-secure/ ; until you perform the steps described on page 5, you will get warnings about packages that can't be authenticated, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174 |
| 16:03.24 | orangerd | hannex, then i was able to choose my mirrors |
| 16:03.48 | loxley | cahoot_: yeah, there was a entry for that |
| 16:03.49 | orangerd | asg, so im assuming this is applicable to installation also? |
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| 16:04.10 | asg | orangerd: that I don't know, but perhaps. |
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| 16:04.21 | mtnman | rossi: normally, i would check tldpl.org for the hardware howto, which will tell you what module is needed for a particular hardware item. i hear, however, that the howto is offline for updating, so i would recommend you look for it on the wayback machine at archive.org. |
| 16:04.22 | asg | orangerd: also, which install disc are you using? |
| 16:04.27 | rossi | is the a list or something for original chip names and the modules name which belongs to that chip |
| 16:04.30 | orangerd | asg, im on net-install |
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| 16:04.39 | asg | orangerd: a sarge one or an etch daily? |
| 16:04.42 | hannex | orangerd: k thx ill try this too. but i think initrd comes from the image not from the net |
| 16:04.50 | deefzi | hi. any ideas why debian net-install cd doesn't recognize my network cards? i've tried some realteak (8029?) and the 3com 3c905b-tx which should be common enough to be supported. |
| 16:04.54 | orangerd | asg, the "testing" branch.. |
| 16:04.56 | deefzi | hardware probs, maybe? |
| 16:05.01 | hannex | orangerd: u used the testing-netinst image? |
| 16:05.02 | orangerd | asg, im not sure if thats sarge or etch or.. |
| 16:05.07 | orangerd | hannex, yup |
| 16:05.12 | asg | orangerd: they might have issues. Just use sarge and upgrade to testing afterwards |
| 16:05.27 | dvs | deefzi: Both of those are supported by Linux |
| 16:05.30 | orangerd | asg, hm.. just to get it straight, sarge is stable and etch is testing? |
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| 16:05.35 | asg | orangerd: correct |
| 16:05.40 | kekko | hi |
| 16:05.42 | luci0 | lol |
| 16:05.49 | orangerd | asg, 'k thnx a mil ;) ill try going with sarge then |
| 16:05.52 | asg | orangerd: :) |
| 16:06.01 | deefzi | dvs, just as i thought. |
| 16:06.20 | luci0 | ubuntu is a system good |
| 16:06.23 | kekko | need to fix this problem: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 16:06.24 | kekko | perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: |
| 16:06.48 | asg | kekko: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:06.49 | kekko | im running latest debian sarge... |
| 16:06.59 | kekko | aaight.. thanx |
| 16:07.05 | surfdue | ok guys moving from ubuntu to debian |
| 16:07.15 | surfdue | i need a fresh debian install with only base |
| 16:07.17 | surfdue | Debian 3.1 base install < |
| 16:07.21 | asg | surfdue: /msg dpkg d-i |
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| 16:07.26 | surfdue | what disk do i need to do this |
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| 16:07.45 | dvs | surfdue: Listen to asg |
| 16:07.55 | surfdue | k |
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| 16:08.04 | asg | surfdue: if your network hardware is supported, get the net-install iso. Otherwise, grab CD1 |
| 16:08.07 | surfdue | which ones do i need |
| 16:08.14 | surfdue | ok so netinstall |
| 16:08.16 | hawking | I have the iso file of damn small linux but I have no cd-writer is there no way to install it in my usb drive without having a live cd? can someone help me pls? |
| 16:08.20 | surfdue | when i install that what do i choose |
| 16:08.34 | dvs | surfdue: Read the installation manual |
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| 16:08.57 | surfdue | there is an installation manual for base install? |
| 16:08.58 | surfdue | where! |
| 16:09.00 | surfdue | :) |
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| 16:09.15 | kekko | asg: fixed.. |
| 16:09.21 | mtnman | !tell surfdue about d-i |
| 16:09.31 | asg | surfdue: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 16:10.15 | surfdue | i have installed debian over 40 times |
| 16:10.18 | surfdue | i know how to install |
| 16:10.19 | surfdue | .. |
| 16:10.21 | kekko | i need to know how to install apache, php, mysql, phpmyadmin in latest debian sarge... |
| 16:10.24 | surfdue | i just wont select packages. |
| 16:10.25 | surfdue | :) |
| 16:10.52 | asg | kekko: apt-get install apache libapache-mod-php4 php4-mysql mysql-server phpmyadmin |
| 16:12.03 | LnX- | Bye |
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| 16:12.44 | butcher | cze all |
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| 16:13.49 | varsendagger | hey i installed pygtk and it told me that Libraries have been installed in: |
| 16:13.49 | varsendagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.49 | varsendagger | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:14.15 | kekko | thanx again asg very much |
| 16:14.33 | asg | kekko: you're welcome |
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| 16:25.25 | luci0 | which ports amule using for conectiion ? |
| 16:25.58 | ghost_adsf | Does anyone know why an 'nvidia' driver wouldn't work because of libfb.a ? Everything was working fine until I upgraded my kernel. :" ( |
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| 16:26.18 | phil1 | I have an epson cx3650 multifunction, but works only as root [ hotplug doesn't work ]. Does someone can help me? |
| 16:26.19 | Snuffkin | Hi. |
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| 16:26.37 | varsendagger | hello |
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| 16:27.05 | Snuffkin | I'm looking for apxs2 on Debian, but I can't find it anywhere. ... |
| 16:27.21 | asg | Snuffkin: apache2-common iirc |
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| 16:27.26 | possie | hi |
| 16:27.57 | Snuffkin | It's already installed, asg. |
| 16:27.59 | asg | Snuffkin: oh sorry, it's in the apache2-prefork-dev or apache2-threaded-dev packages |
| 16:28.06 | Snuffkin | Alright |
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| 16:28.50 | asg | Snuffkin: in the future, 'apt-file search bin/foo' will help you isolate which packages contain which files |
| 16:29.20 | Snuffkin | Neat, thanks |
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| 16:30.49 | Snuffkin | Hmm..problem is though, that package wants to replace db-4.3 with 4.2 :/ |
| 16:31.22 | Snuffkin | any way round that? |
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| 16:32.50 | Kalidarn | just a quick question |
| 16:32.58 | Kalidarn | whats the smallest ever possible debian install? |
| 16:33.12 | pasha | hello |
| 16:33.17 | Kalidarn | hi |
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| 16:33.39 | Snuffkin | Well, I've recently done netinst, and don't select 'desktop' packages or anything - I'd say that's pretty tiny |
| 16:33.42 | pasha | i have install sid and now i can't see the auto mount option in kde |
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| 16:33.54 | Kalidarn | yeah im saying the most smallest basic |
| 16:34.01 | Kalidarn | without a desktop obviously |
| 16:34.11 | Snuffkin | right..try netinst, just don't select gnome/kde/desktop etc at the end of install |
| 16:34.22 | Kalidarn | wasnt it like 60MB |
| 16:34.35 | Kalidarn | no im wondering for statistic sake |
| 16:34.36 | Snuffkin | Yeah something like that. Compare it to like 650mb though |
| 16:34.42 | Kalidarn | im not actually planning it on doing it though |
| 16:34.48 | Kalidarn | 650 thats big ;P |
| 16:34.54 | Kalidarn | i thought it was smaller thna that |
| 16:34.59 | Kalidarn | hmm |
| 16:35.02 | Snuffkin | That's the 'big' CD |
| 16:35.07 | Snuffkin | So 60mb is comparatively small |
| 16:35.07 | Kalidarn | oh ;P |
| 16:35.11 | Kalidarn | yes |
| 16:35.27 | Kalidarn | i just wondered what the smallest working debian install in the world could have been |
| 16:35.31 | Snuffkin | I got debian functioning in no time with netinst |
| 16:35.36 | Kalidarn | ;) |
| 16:35.37 | Lanz | Does anyone know anything about the smart link slmodem 56k modem drivers? |
| 16:35.41 | Snuffkin | well, you'd probably have to deviate off the installer for that =p |
| 16:35.42 | Kalidarn | debian does function with no time;p |
| 16:35.50 | Kalidarn | yeah most likely |
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| 16:35.58 | Kalidarn | smart link |
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| 16:36.01 | Kalidarn | chekck their site |
| 16:36.03 | Kalidarn | www.smlink.com |
| 16:36.03 | Lanz | Did. |
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| 16:36.09 | Kalidarn | they have default linux drivers |
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| 16:36.11 | Lanz | I'm having problems geting the driver working. |
| 16:36.15 | Kalidarn | hmm |
| 16:36.24 | Kalidarn | okay so u got a driver though |
| 16:36.28 | Lanz | The device /dev/slamr0 doesn't exist. |
| 16:36.31 | Lanz | Yeah I got it. |
| 16:36.38 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.39 | Kalidarn | whats wrong with it? |
| 16:36.49 | Lanz | But I can't configure it or anything, the device doesn't exist. |
| 16:36.58 | Kalidarn | hmm odd |
| 16:37.02 | Lanz | No /dev/modem, /dev/ttySL0, no /dev/slamr0 |
| 16:37.10 | Kalidarn | my smlink 56k modem in my laptop detecs |
| 16:37.16 | Lanz | This does work on the mepis Linux Debian live cd, I use it for hardware testing. |
| 16:37.18 | Kalidarn | detects in ubuntu without any issue |
| 16:37.28 | Lanz | Yeah this is a laptop, a compaq evo n620c. |
| 16:37.37 | Lanz | Software modem ;( |
| 16:37.46 | Kalidarn | lol i dont know what one i have |
| 16:37.49 | Kalidarn | how can i tell? |
| 16:37.50 | Lanz | Hehe. |
| 16:37.54 | Kalidarn | ive never used my 56k modem |
| 16:38.01 | Kalidarn | cept in windows like a 3 years ago |
| 16:38.04 | Kalidarn | when i went to my mothers |
| 16:38.19 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:39.02 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.11 | Kalidarn | its picked up as ppp0 |
| 16:39.17 | Kalidarn | how can i tell what piece of hw it is? |
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| 16:39.33 | youssef | hello |
| 16:39.35 | Lanz | I'm not really sure, I don't know what mine is. |
| 16:39.43 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.56 | youssef | is there a way to increase the size of fonts everywhere ? |
| 16:40.00 | Kalidarn | yes |
| 16:40.05 | Kalidarn | youssef: using gnome? |
| 16:40.08 | Kalidarn | or something else? |
| 16:40.13 | youssef | using kde |
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| 16:40.21 | Kalidarn | dunno but i am sure u can |
| 16:40.22 | Kalidarn | ;p |
| 16:40.27 | Lanz | I'm on KDE |
| 16:40.34 | Kalidarn | im on gnome ;) |
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| 16:40.38 | Kalidarn | i dont like configuring |
| 16:40.42 | dvs | Kalidarn: ;-p |
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| 16:40.47 | Lanz | Heh I don't think it makes a difference ;) |
| 16:40.53 | Kalidarn | yeah well |
| 16:40.54 | Kalidarn | ;p |
| 16:41.02 | Kalidarn | gnome works out of the box |
| 16:41.06 | fuji | Ola.. How can i view in Konqueror the samba shares in the workgroup? |
| 16:41.16 | Kalidarn | one thing that i really detest |
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| 16:41.27 | Kalidarn | is how the hell can i set recursive permissions using nautilus |
| 16:41.28 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:41.33 | Kalidarn | i dont think that possible |
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| 16:41.48 | Lanz | Meh. |
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| 16:41.55 | fuji | Lanz: Doesn't work.. redirect me to / or to my home dir |
| 16:41.55 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.00 | Lanz | Hmm. |
| 16:42.03 | Lanz | That's strange. |
| 16:42.06 | Lanz | It works for me. |
| 16:42.06 | cristian | hola |
| 16:42.09 | Kalidarn | ;p |
| 16:42.15 | Kalidarn | thats a downfall of nautillus |
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| 16:42.19 | Lanz | Do you have all the kdenetworking installed? |
| 16:42.21 | cristian | hello |
| 16:42.23 | Kalidarn | it sucks balls cos u cannot set very good permissions |
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| 16:42.59 | fuji | Oh ! It worked.. I just had to open it again.. It cached the old setting i guess.. thanks Lanz :) |
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| 16:43.19 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.22 | Lanz | Ok. |
| 16:43.24 | Lanz | No problem. |
| 16:43.38 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, well you mean read/write permissions? like making everything world readable below a directory? |
| 16:43.48 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, i don't know if that counts as "setting good permissions" |
| 16:43.50 | fuji | Lanz: Hmm.. now I got a list of shares in a computer, but I don't know whoch of them is the printer... |
| 16:44.03 | Lanz | Ahh. |
| 16:44.05 | Kalidarn | nerdy2: no i mean recursive permissions |
| 16:44.18 | Kalidarn | and other permissions than read/write |
| 16:44.21 | Lanz | You'll have to use the KDE control centre and set up a network printer fuji. |
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| 16:44.25 | Kalidarn | which konquror is capable of |
| 16:44.40 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, well execute doesn't make sense to set recursively [at least not for directories] |
| 16:44.51 | Kalidarn | u can do it in windows ;P |
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| 16:45.01 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, and i haven't ever messed with the acl support in nautilus, if that's what you mean |
| 16:45.06 | Kalidarn | recursive the directory, and every file and other directory below it |
| 16:45.11 | thc | !u |
| 16:45.11 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:45.12 | Kalidarn | i cannot find that in nautiluss |
| 16:45.15 | SimonRaven | you can do it better in *nix |
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| 16:45.26 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, well then read/write/execute are the only permissions, and execute doesn't make sense |
| 16:45.37 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, for user/group/other of course |
| 16:45.40 | Kalidarn | yes |
| 16:45.42 | Kalidarn | and RECURSIVE |
| 16:45.46 | nerdy2 | yes |
| 16:45.49 | Kalidarn | ie the directoryand everything in it |
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| 16:45.52 | Kalidarn | thats not a option |
| 16:45.56 | nerdy2 | yes, i got that |
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| 16:45.58 | Kalidarn | i have to use chmod for that ;p |
| 16:46.03 | Kalidarn | thats what sucks about nautilus |
| 16:46.35 | nerdy2 | i can't say that i have a great need for that |
| 16:46.37 | Lanz | Gah, smartlinks Linux faq sucks. |
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| 16:46.46 | Kalidarn | nerdy2: think about it |
| 16:46.59 | Kalidarn | nerdy2: dir from a NTFS partition |
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| 16:47.11 | Kalidarn | its going to be READ ONLY and everything in it is going to be READ ONLY. |
| 16:47.24 | Kalidarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.26 | Kalidarn | no ;P |
| 16:47.34 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, what ?? |
| 16:47.43 | Kalidarn | u would have to do that if u didnt use chmod |
| 16:47.49 | thc | clueless. |
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| 16:47.59 | Kalidarn | thc ;P u know what i mean |
| 16:48.04 | nerdy2 | if you mount it right, you'll have it with the right permissions |
| 16:48.04 | thc | you can't write to ntfs. |
| 16:48.12 | Kalidarn | ................. |
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| 16:48.22 | Kalidarn | if u copy a dir from a NTFS to ur EXT3 partition |
| 16:48.27 | nerdy2 | ntfs write support is experimental though, so you probably don't have that |
| 16:48.30 | Kalidarn | say C:/ is ur windows partition where u have XP installed. |
| 16:48.31 | SimonRaven | !u |
| 16:48.31 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 16:48.37 | SimonRaven | !ur |
| 16:48.37 | Kalidarn | and u copy it to /home/user/desktop |
| 16:48.37 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 16:48.55 | fuji | Lanz: Hmm.. I can't see the printer on the shares.. |
| 16:48.57 | thc | i'm not even gonna begin to argue with you. about _anything_. |
| 16:49.12 | Kalidarn | right its going to be READ only as default, and everything in it is gonna be Read only... as NTFS is generally set as that unless u change it in ur kernel to support writing (which is dangerous) |
| 16:49.38 | Kalidarn | now unless u use chmod to recursivly change the permissisons u would have to explore each level with nautilus to and change them. one level at a time. |
| 16:49.55 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, does this really come up much? |
| 16:49.58 | SimonRaven | oh ffs... |
| 16:50.18 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:50.20 | SimonRaven | find /path -type d -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 755 |
| 16:50.29 | SimonRaven | find /path -type f -print0 | xargs -0 chmod 644 |
| 16:50.31 | SimonRaven | done |
| 16:50.41 | Kalidarn | naye ;) i know u can do it with chmod |
| 16:50.43 | Kalidarn | right ;) |
| 16:50.48 | Kalidarn | as thats the way i do it |
| 16:50.56 | SimonRaven | i told you *nix can do it better |
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| 16:51.03 | Kalidarn | the point is though it should be a feature of the window manager as its pretty simple |
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| 16:51.13 | varsendagger | i am trying to get gdesklets to run has anyboday had any luck with it? |
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| 16:51.21 | fuji | Lanz: It's very wierd, I don't have the add printer option there.. it is disabled.. |
| 16:51.33 | nerdy2 | well you shouldn't do chmod -R 755 directory, simon's is the right way if you want to set the exact permissions |
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| 16:51.42 | nerdy2 | (rather than say chmod -R a+rw) |
| 16:51.43 | fuji | Lanz: and i'm in administrator mode.. |
| 16:51.50 | thc | varsendagger: i use gdesklets, when i actually have an X server running |
| 16:52.01 | surfdue | how do i configure ifconfig |
| 16:52.16 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.18 | surfdue | isnt there some commands you can setup like ip etc? |
| 16:52.19 | thc | surfdue: man interfaces |
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| 16:52.22 | surfdue | ok |
| 16:52.42 | cheal | surfdue: man ifconfig |
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| 16:52.48 | varsendagger | i am trying to install the gnome-pyth pygtk and pyorbit and i can't get pyorbit, or gnome-pyth to see my install ation of pygtk |
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| 16:53.07 | varsendagger | thc: how diod you get it installed? |
| 16:53.15 | thc | varsendagger: sarge? |
| 16:53.20 | fuji | Lanz: I'm installing now foomatic... but "friends" i can't find in aptitude.. |
| 16:53.24 | surfdue | how do u configure eth0? |
| 16:53.27 | surfdue | i know its possible :) |
| 16:53.29 | SimonRaven | Kalidarn: why? *nix tools cover the 'problem' just fine, why make a wm do stuff it shouldn't be doing anyway? and nautilus isn't a wm, it's a separate app |
| 16:53.30 | surfdue | i remember this before |
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| 16:53.40 | Kalidarn | nerdy2: yes chmod does work but the point is nautilus should be able to do it ithout th inconvenience of loading up a terminal window |
| 16:53.43 | varsendagger | yes i'm using sarge |
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| 16:53.52 | dvs | surfdue: thc gave you the answer |
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| 16:54.05 | surfdue | i looked |
| 16:54.06 | Kalidarn | accessability, not everyone wants to use the coreutils |
| 16:54.09 | surfdue | there is one simple command though |
| 16:54.10 | Kalidarn | especially all the time |
| 16:54.13 | Kalidarn | that only sucks |
| 16:54.15 | surfdue | its so easy cant you just tell me |
| 16:54.16 | thc | varsendagger: gdesklets and all of it's dependencies installed fine on my desktop |
| 16:54.19 | surfdue | it goes though a setup |
| 16:54.36 | varsendagger | did you compliel from source? |
| 16:54.50 | Lanz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:54.56 | SimonRaven | 'inconvenience of loading up a terminal window'? i can't believe what i'm reading.... |
| 16:55.05 | thc | varsendagger: why would i when there are debian packages? |
| 16:55.12 | cheal | varsendagger: what do you think? he's on #debian |
| 16:55.17 | varsendagger | where? |
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| 16:55.31 | varsendagger | i couldn'find them anywhere |
| 16:55.31 | Blazelflazel | Exim4 problem with a router/mysql lookup...#exim is pretty quiet...any experts here?? (pasted on #flood) |
| 16:55.35 | dvs | surfdue: And interfaces isn't simple enough? |
| 16:55.39 | thc | varsendagger: apt-cache search gdesklets |
| 16:55.46 | varsendagger | ok |
| 16:56.03 | nerdy2 | i used windows, there was a shell there too [though it was very handicapped] |
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| 16:56.12 | cheal | Blazelflazel: there are no experts on this channel. IRC prevents you to see what was just said in a channel when you enter it |
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| 16:56.23 | nerdy2 | and there were things that it was easier to do on the shell [ipconfig, net, ...] |
| 16:56.46 | Kalidarn | SimonRaven: if linux is to ever become more popular than windows it needs to be accessable |
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| 16:57.05 | Kalidarn | using terminal to do things that the gui of the OS could easily handle is an excuse |
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| 16:57.14 | Kalidarn | plain and simple. |
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| 16:57.23 | varsendagger | thankyou all i've been doing is earicnng on the unofficial apt-get rep and finding a package if it is there |
| 16:57.27 | thc | excuse? wtf. not everyone uses a gui. |
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| 16:57.41 | varsendagger | <----- retard |
| 16:57.52 | Kalidarn | no but for someone who dows some of the time i think it is an excuse that it don't have the function there |
| 16:58.04 | cahoot_ | thc: depends on the definition of GUI |
| 16:58.06 | Kalidarn | sure not every mortal one but recursive permissions is very important. |
| 16:58.14 | Kalidarn | graphical user interface |
| 16:58.29 | amphi | Kalidarn: ncurses ;) |
| 16:58.32 | cahoot_ | Kalidarn: text is the GUI of language |
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| 16:58.33 | Kalidarn | ie if ur running something other than a plain terminal install of linux a desktop a window manager etc |
| 16:58.50 | amphi | !ur |
| 16:58.51 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 16:58.53 | varsendagger | try searichg fo a file in gui and tell me it's faster than a command line |
| 16:59.00 | fuji | Lanz: Well, I've installed the foo.. package and still I can't find add printer... |
| 16:59.03 | Kalidarn | yes i am aware of that cahoot_ therefore there are going to be utimately more functions in in the "text part" as u call it |
| 16:59.18 | amphi | u! |
| 16:59.21 | Kalidarn | its like going lets make a window manager without a cross in the corner |
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| 16:59.25 | amphi | er... |
| 16:59.32 | Kalidarn | because u could go like click on the icon and click close |
| 16:59.33 | thc | they have need told about 'u' and 'ur' twice but apparently it's too hard for them. |
| 16:59.36 | Kalidarn | u see what i mean ;p |
| 16:59.38 | amphi | !u |
| 16:59.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 16:59.40 | Kalidarn | ur |
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| 16:59.49 | thc | *plonk* |
| 16:59.57 | varsendagger | u ur |
| 17:00.01 | Kalidarn | anyone who cant stand the use of u or ur deserves to be shot |
| 17:00.08 | Kalidarn | expecially when used in irc |
| 17:00.09 | Kalidarn | ;p |
| 17:00.22 | amphi | Kalidarn: anyone who uses them thus, rather |
| 17:00.23 | Kalidarn | as i could crap on about how ur not using fullstops commas and capitals in the right place |
| 17:00.24 | monster | !tell monster about paste |
| 17:00.29 | xelam | anyone who uses "u" to mean "you" needs to be shot :P |
| 17:00.53 | cheal | Kalidarn: you already lost. come back talking about window managers when you know what they are. and there are no excuses in linux. and come back talking about linux when you know what it is too. |
| 17:00.57 | Kalidarn | EXCUSE ME Xelam wheres the capitals at the start of the sentence! |
| 17:00.58 | fuji | Hm.. I can't add printer in the "Peripherals-> Printers" in KDE.. the button is DISABLED.. anybody knows what to do? |
| 17:01.19 | xelam | Kalidarn: irrelevent |
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| 17:01.25 | Kalidarn | how> |
| 17:01.31 | Kalidarn | u and ur arent proper english |
| 17:01.33 | cheal | fuji: ask #debian-kde...or get superuser |
| 17:01.36 | reter | whats a good p2p application ? |
| 17:01.42 | Kalidarn | and not using fullstops or captials also arent english either ;p |
| 17:01.42 | xelam | u and ur are retard-speak |
| 17:01.42 | varsendagger | apt-cache search gdesklets |
| 17:01.42 | varsendagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.58 | Blazelflazel | cheal: huh? no experts? i'm just fighting with exim... |
| 17:02.02 | Kalidarn | how bout abbrievated speak? |
| 17:02.17 | xelam | it's not an abbreviation |
| 17:02.18 | thc | varsendagger: you need to read the man page for apt-get |
| 17:02.22 | xelam | it's just retarded and annoying |
| 17:02.23 | Kalidarn | true at that |
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| 17:02.30 | nerdy2 | it's annoying |
| 17:02.31 | Thanatermesis | how to print from firefox ? |
| 17:02.33 | cheal | Blazelflazel: if there are experts, they won't answer you. particularly not before you ask your actual question |
| 17:02.37 | varsendagger | ok |
| 17:02.38 | reter | what is a godo p2p software for debian? |
| 17:02.41 | Kalidarn | ... is this only #debian that gets annoyed by ur and u |
| 17:02.47 | xelam | nope |
| 17:02.49 | nerdy2 | Kalidarn, no |
| 17:02.50 | Kalidarn | loive never met that anywhere else |
| 17:02.57 | reter | what is a good p2p software for debian? |
| 17:03.01 | xelam | it's any IRC channel that isn't populated mainly by 12 year olds. |
| 17:03.09 | xelam | this isn't quakenet you know! |
| 17:03.24 | Kalidarn | i never use quakenet |
| 17:03.25 | xelam | reter: s/software/program/ ;) |
| 17:03.26 | Kalidarn | ;) so there |
| 17:03.29 | Kalidarn | and i aint 12 either |
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| 17:04.29 | Kalidarn | retard speak is "c u l8tr" |
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| 17:04.44 | Blazelflazel | cheal: good point. |
| 17:04.47 | reter | xelam: yes? |
| 17:04.54 | reter | xelam: do you know of one? |
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| 17:05.05 | amphi | reter: bittorrent? |
| 17:05.10 | Kalidarn | so your saying your all experts? |
| 17:05.20 | reter | i dont remember how do use bittorent |
| 17:05.24 | Thanatermesis | aparently firefox use lpr.. how to print with this ? |
| 17:05.31 | reter | amphi: can someone update me |
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| 17:05.53 | xelam | reter: no, I was just correcting your English :( |
| 17:05.54 | Blazelflazel | problems with exim relaying unknown mailboxes in local domains to alternate IP (where the mailboxes *do* exist)... |
| 17:05.54 | Blazelflazel | created a router to do this...but get a condition check lookup defer in logs...guess my lookup is !{good} |
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| 17:06.00 | Kalidarn | reter: get the torrent from wherever instal the client either azureus or bit commet and double click on it |
| 17:06.03 | JPQuiceno | Debian>Life |
| 17:06.04 | Kalidarn | u shouldnt need to do anything else |
| 17:06.06 | |XO| | where can i find debian boot codes? |
| 17:06.11 | JPQuiceno | >.> |
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| 17:06.15 | xelam | Kalidarn: "you" |
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| 17:06.37 | Kalidarn | i know u like me when i use the ur word |
| 17:06.50 | Kalidarn | u cant hide it and if u do i know ur lying |
| 17:06.59 | amphi | reter: ? |
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| 17:07.02 | xelam | yes I really like you |
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| 17:07.30 | Kalidarn | so please stop trying because u... (fuck almost said "you") are looking like ur retarded. |
| 17:07.31 | Lanz | Yay I got the modem working ^_^ |
| 17:07.32 | amphi | |XO|: 'boot codes\? |
| 17:07.34 | Lanz | At least I think so. |
| 17:07.42 | Kalidarn | okay |
| 17:07.47 | Kalidarn | reter double click on it then |
| 17:07.47 | xelam | Kalidarn: you are indeed looking that way. |
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| 17:07.56 | Kalidarn | reter what are u looking for a torrent for? |
| 17:08.11 | Kalidarn | what u mean? |
| 17:08.12 | varsendagger | thc: i swear to god i tried to apt-get gdesklets, holy christ... the danmed thing si working |
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| 17:08.19 | varsendagger | !u |
| 17:08.19 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:08.26 | Kalidarn | how hard is it to double click on a torrent when u have the client accosiated with the torrent |
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| 17:08.39 | |XO| | amphi u know whose codes you put when the install cd boots....where can i find a list of them? |
| 17:08.45 | pandrew | Hello . If i give the hdd=ide-scsi kernel parameter for cdwriteing to work , then why can't i access /dev/hdd any more. Wath happens if a harddisk gets the hdd=ide-scsi parameter? |
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| 17:08.52 | varsendagger | tell varsendagger !u |
| 17:08.52 | |XO| | also which kernel does sarge install by default? |
| 17:08.57 | xelam | Kalidarn: yes, because "double-clicking" makes everything work |
| 17:08.59 | reter | kalidarn, i dont have the torrent. i dont have the file. i dont even know where to look fo rit |
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| 17:09.06 | tarzeau | pandrew: it gets a scsi harddisk, sdsomething |
| 17:09.11 | Kalidarn | oh i thoguth u said u did |
| 17:09.13 | tarzeau | pandrew: hdsomething are ide devices |
| 17:09.24 | Kalidarn | okay well try like www.torrentspy.com |
| 17:09.28 | Kalidarn | or something, like that |
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| 17:09.35 | Kalidarn | they have all sorts of torrents |
| 17:09.39 | SimonRaven | Kalidarn: an excuse? what are you smoking? |
| 17:09.42 | xelam | reter: if you don't have the torrent, what are you doing? |
| 17:09.49 | SimonRaven | *plonk* |
| 17:09.50 | amphi | |XO|: I don't know what you mean - the boot loader? |
| 17:09.50 | Kalidarn | SimonRaven: topic closed ages ago |
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| 17:10.05 | reter | xelam: i want to burn windows xp |
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| 17:10.08 | Kalidarn | only a nerdy noob would consider continuing it |
| 17:10.16 | amphi | |XO|: sarge installs a 2.4 kernel by default, I believe |
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| 17:10.17 | reter | xelam: dont know how to do this from sarge |
| 17:10.19 | SimonRaven | Kalidarn: /ignored 20 seconds ago |
| 17:10.25 | Kalidarn | lol sure |
| 17:10.31 | xelam | reter: and what does that have to do with bittorrents? |
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| 17:10.36 | Kalidarn | then why are u asking me questions? |
| 17:10.45 | xelam | reter: also, you should probably get a real windows CD instead :p |
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| 17:10.53 | reter | xelam: i dont know. kalidarn was the one that mentioned bittorrents |
| 17:10.59 | SimonRaven | aah, peace at last |
| 17:11.07 | thc | word. |
| 17:11.11 | pandrew | tarzeau there is no harddisk at /dev/sd* |
| 17:11.14 | reter | xelam: if i had 300 dollars to throw away i wouldnt mind |
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| 17:11.26 | thc | if i saw one more 'u' i was going to slit my wrists |
| 17:11.26 | xelam | well use cdrecord |
| 17:11.27 | Kalidarn | why ask in a #debian channel |
| 17:11.28 | pandrew | tarzeau : i tried form a to z |
| 17:11.47 | Kalidarn | how to get warez copies of Windows XP...... obviously u aint gonna get a favourable result |
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| 17:11.58 | tarzeau | pandrew: i mean cd rom drive |
| 17:12.00 | xelam | reter: install cdrecord with apt-get, then man cdrecord to see how to burn an ISO file |
| 17:12.05 | reter | xelamL lets get one thing straight. where can i get windows xp |
| 17:12.11 | amphi | Kalidarn: it seems incredible that anyone could want such a thing |
| 17:12.14 | Kalidarn | xelam: hes asking for warez |
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| 17:12.18 | xelam | reter: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 17:12.20 | Kalidarn | as he said he didnt have the torrent yet |
| 17:12.21 | xelam | Kalidarn: I see |
| 17:12.24 | pandrew | tarzeau how can i access my hard drive without rebooting |
| 17:12.25 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:12.26 | loxley | haha |
| 17:12.33 | |XO| | amphi when you put the cd in it comes to the boot: prompt...you can putit certain codes here like nofb(no frame buffer)...i wanted tto know if there is a list of these codes somewhere on the net...? |
| 17:12.34 | pandrew | tarzeau: its at hdd |
| 17:12.57 | tarzeau | pandrew: try file -s /dev/sd* ? |
| 17:12.58 | Kalidarn | asking for windows xp warez or asking about how to burn it shouldn't be a think of any distribution channel lol |
| 17:13.03 | amphi | |XO|: I believe if you hit F1 or F2 or summat, a list of them will be displayed |
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| 17:13.24 | SimonRaven | !warez |
| 17:13.24 | dpkg | from memory, warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
| 17:13.29 | Kalidarn | its like asking one car manufacture how to steal another car manufacturer's car |
| 17:13.30 | |XO| | amphi is there bf26 for sarge? |
| 17:13.44 | xelam | reter: just use debian instead of XP :D |
| 17:13.49 | xelam | problem solved. |
| 17:13.51 | dimm0k | how do i set up dhcpd.conf to use the dns servers supplied that are given by my isp each time i connect to my isp? |
| 17:13.54 | Kalidarn | bout th eonly warez prog i use is cedega |
| 17:13.56 | thc | there is a 2.6.8 sarge kernel on the install cd. |
| 17:13.59 | reter | xelam: you have no idea my problem |
| 17:14.10 | Kalidarn | reter: enlighten us |
| 17:14.15 | |XO| | thc whats teh code to install it? |
| 17:14.17 | Kalidarn | u just told me u forgot how to use bit torrent |
| 17:14.21 | xelam | reter: see a shrink/doctor maybe |
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| 17:14.32 | Kalidarn | then u told me u didnt have a torrent |
| 17:14.44 | thc | hit F1 for special boot methods. |
| 17:14.45 | xelam | reter: alternatively, stop being a troll :P |
| 17:14.53 | Kalidarn | so we are assuming ur asking for a copy of xp which we arent going to give u or tell you how to get without telling you to buy it because its illegal |
| 17:15.07 | reter | nevermind |
| 17:15.08 | c00r | dimm0k: on gtk+ you can use gdhcpd |
| 17:15.16 | Kalidarn | lol xelam that too. ;) but he might genuninly have been dropped on his head as a baby |
| 17:15.17 | xelam | I don't care about it being illegal, but this is not the place to ask |
| 17:15.18 | reter | go back to actually "helping" people |
| 17:15.34 | Kalidarn | damn im talking all high and mighty must be what #debian people do to normal folk |
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| 17:16.12 | Gordon | HI @ALL |
| 17:16.23 | xelam | HI $PERSON |
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| 17:16.36 | Kalidarn | HI #self |
| 17:16.51 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 17:16.58 | Dasnipa` | if gordon echo hi fi |
| 17:17.17 | c00r | \V/ |
| 17:17.19 | Gordon | ??? |
| 17:17.25 | Kalidarn | ^_^ |
| 17:17.28 | SimonRaven | HI @ALL[xelam] |
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| 17:17.39 | Kalidarn | HI @ WORLD |
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| 17:17.49 | Kalidarn | HI @ INTERNET |
| 17:17.59 | reter | jwhen is the next windows o/s due to come out? |
| 17:18.01 | Gordon | Sagt mal mein grub will net booten why?? |
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| 17:18.07 | Kalidarn | reter: google |
| 17:18.09 | Kalidarn | its next year |
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| 17:18.13 | Kalidarn | this time next year |
| 17:18.14 | xelam | Gordon: sorry? |
| 17:18.15 | pandrew | tarzeau: file -s /dev/sd* said about all sd* devices: writable, no read permisiion |
| 17:18.20 | Kalidarn | go ask in #microsoft reter |
| 17:18.29 | Dasnipa` | anyone happen to know how to go about mounting an ntfs partition to debian (i userstand write is probably not feasible, i just need read permissions) |
| 17:18.29 | initiate | hello,can someone tell me about a good free dvd burning program for gnome ? |
| 17:18.30 | thc | reter: do we really care? no. |
| 17:18.36 | ciroro | I installed a forward rule in my iptables, but it doesn't seem to work. What is the best way to test such a rule? |
| 17:18.43 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:18.49 | Kalidarn | #microsoft is set as a placeholder |
| 17:18.55 | SimonRaven | reter: #windows is on another network |
| 17:19.00 | Kalidarn | yes |
| 17:19.01 | Kalidarn | ;p |
| 17:19.06 | Gordon | naja der startet zwar aber dann wähle ich debian aus und dann kommt eine meldung |
| 17:19.06 | Kalidarn | too dirty for freenode |
| 17:19.12 | Kalidarn | english please |
| 17:19.17 | c00r | initiate: dvd+-rw-tools and xcdroast |
| 17:19.18 | thc | ciroro: #iptables |
| 17:19.27 | initiate | thanks c00r |
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| 17:19.58 | c00r | initiate: np, theres also a free other thingie youll find after visiting xcroast page but its got a key |
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| 17:20.05 | loxley | irc.microsoft.com |
| 17:20.07 | loxley | :) |
| 17:20.28 | c00r | initiate: free but binary only though |
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| 17:20.43 | c00r | loxley: ENOENT ? :) |
| 17:20.49 | loxley | c00r: :) |
| 17:21.01 | initiate | c00r, i hope it`ll do .. thanks for the info tho |
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| 17:21.15 | c00r | initiate: np |
| 17:21.26 | Kalidarn | irc.microsoft.com dont exist |
| 17:21.37 | loxley | Kalidarn: ofcourse :) |
| 17:21.44 | Kalidarn | but |
| 17:21.50 | Kalidarn | microsoft.com does |
| 17:21.55 | Kalidarn | ie /server microsoft.com |
| 17:22.01 | loxley | yeah unfortunatly |
| 17:22.01 | c00r | see if microsoft.com exists, i heard they got grazed :) |
| 17:22.09 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:22.15 | loxley | haha |
| 17:22.16 | Kalidarn | oh hang on they dont have an irc server on there |
| 17:22.17 | c00r | hah |
| 17:22.17 | Ankheg | Does anyone know if Debian will soon support installation to a RAID drive? |
| 17:22.18 | Kalidarn | whats up with MS |
| 17:22.27 | Kalidarn | they should have IRC |
| 17:22.32 | xelam | Ankheg: yes it will |
| 17:22.34 | Kalidarn | so bill can talk to ballmer |
| 17:22.39 | Kalidarn | nah they use newsgroups |
| 17:22.41 | Ankheg | xelam: Do we know a timeframe by chance? |
| 17:22.42 | Kalidarn | i thinks anyways |
| 17:22.42 | loxley | i heard steve ballmer was a real irclord |
| 17:22.54 | xelam | no I mean it already does :P |
| 17:23.03 | c00r | their latest updates wont apply to w2k DNS servers, doesnt work |
| 17:23.03 | Kalidarn | shut up loxey or i fucking will throw something at you cos thats what a ballmer does |
| 17:23.15 | Kalidarn | :D got to read the uncyclopedia article on ballmer |
| 17:23.15 | Kalidarn | ;D |
| 17:23.17 | Kalidarn | so funny |
| 17:23.26 | SimonRaven | when did winbloze get on-topic here, other than for mocking? ;p |
| 17:23.30 | Ankheg | xelam: Hmm... Is my Serge network install CD out of date already? :( |
| 17:23.32 | loxley | that steve is reallt wacko |
| 17:23.33 | c00r | DOH!, i shouldnt have said that :) |
| 17:23.46 | Kalidarn | Loxley: check this out |
| 17:23.57 | Kalidarn | steve ballmer is cool |
| 17:24.00 | Kalidarn | cos hes like weird |
| 17:24.12 | adii | i have a big prob : i'm installing debian on a brand new laptop, just formatted. it has 2 network cards : a wirelese one, a normal one. the computer should be connected through the normal one. but on the installation, it detects eth0 (which i think is the wireless network card) and not eth1 : how should i do to have the normal network card detected ? |
| 17:24.12 | Kalidarn | kind of like poor people in town are |
| 17:24.12 | Kalidarn | ;p |
| 17:24.17 | Daveman | ;p |
| 17:24.22 | Kalidarn | loxley: http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Steve_Ballmer |
| 17:24.22 | c00r | heh, the dancing lessons must have cost him a fortune :P |
| 17:24.30 | loxley | Kalidarn: man, he runs in to events like "i fuuuuuuucking like this companyyyyyyyyyy as a mad pig" :) |
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| 17:24.37 | initiate | c00r, xcdroast didn't find my dvd burner ... any idea what to do ? |
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| 17:24.41 | igod | Hi all |
| 17:24.45 | Kalidarn | he reminds me of the computing from highschool |
| 17:25.01 | Kalidarn | well working for MS would be good |
| 17:25.11 | Kalidarn | especially in his position |
| 17:25.12 | c00r | initiate: yes, install cdrecord-prodvd, add the key to xcdrecord's settings then burn |
| 17:25.14 | igod | Anyone could help me with a RAID 1 question ? |
| 17:25.23 | Kalidarn | u have influence over the comapany therefore u could make it suck less if u wanted to |
| 17:25.26 | loxley | Kalidarn: moneywise, yes... :) |
| 17:25.26 | Kalidarn | and u get paid alot to do it |
| 17:25.28 | cheal | adii: s/normal/ethernet/ ? |
| 17:25.29 | Kalidarn | ;) win win situation |
| 17:25.38 | adii | cheal, that's it |
| 17:25.43 | Kalidarn | hell id work for MS in that position if i had the chance |
| 17:25.47 | c00r | initiate: if only that little binary was source |
| 17:25.55 | Kalidarn | he could just tell bill gates no more bum sex till he fixes windows properly |
| 17:25.57 | Kalidarn | job done |
| 17:25.57 | Kalidarn | ;) |
| 17:26.05 | loxley | Kalidarn: haha that site was like wieeerd :) |
| 17:26.08 | Kalidarn | (as they were highschool friends) |
| 17:26.12 | pandrew | bye |
| 17:26.17 | Kalidarn | nah its funny though |
| 17:26.18 | Kalidarn | ;p |
| 17:26.19 | initiate | thx c00r |
| 17:26.58 | Kalidarn | Steve Ballmer fucking killing Google with his fabled fucking eye-raysâ„¢, acquired by Bill Gates' fucking bazillions |
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| 17:27.11 | initiate | oh ... i see i can add it manually ... but where i can find the device specification ? |
| 17:27.21 | c00r | Kalidarn: they want braindead staff everywhere so they can monitor every m$ system/user around |
| 17:27.24 | Kalidarn | Steve was seeded from genetic material harvested from Adolf Hitler and other prominent homosexual Nazis by a sex coalition of alien bureaucrats for the purpose of sex advancing their totalitarian agenda on Earth. The Ballmer body serves as host to an alien symbiote called Bill and a famous picture, widely distributed on the xes internet shows the Ballmer body holding open his entrance ready to receive the glory of his master and an extra helping |
| 17:27.25 | Kalidarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.36 | cheal | adii: which version of debian? which ethernet card? |
| 17:27.41 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:27.48 | loxley | haha |
| 17:27.48 | Kalidarn | they just have a way of wording everything |
| 17:28.05 | c00r | Kalidarn: hah, youre teh funnix |
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| 17:28.32 | Kalidarn | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Steve-Balmer_attack_bloody.jpg Steve Ballmer after a meal. |
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| 17:28.44 | Kalidarn | c00r: yeah quoting a site is real hard work |
| 17:28.49 | igod | People, where can I obtain more documentation on install software RAID 1 with debian installer ? |
| 17:28.50 | loxley | after a bag-in-box 3litres wine i actually find Ballmer funny, what wrong with meeeee! |
| 17:29.21 | igod | install documentation don't help me |
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| 17:29.53 | adii | cheal, ok i've got further : during the installation, the netinst detects 2 network cards "linux floppy" et "texas instruments TSB43..." (module ohci1394) : but when i select those modules, it returns an error : "error while executing modprobe -v ohci1394" |
| 17:29.58 | adii | it is sarge |
| 17:30.05 | adii | et = and, my bad |
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| 17:30.27 | Sepho | hi all!! |
| 17:30.43 | igod | no one could help me ?? |
| 17:31.06 | Kalidarn | i always wondered what stops people from editing aritcles on wikipedia based sited (ie editing out stuff that they don't like) |
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| 17:32.04 | c00r | Kalidarn: nothing does, does it ? |
| 17:32.35 | Kalidarn | im surprised there isnt some bad apple that loves steve ballmer that hasnt deleted that article |
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| 17:32.55 | cheal | adii: hum, is it an ethernet or a firewire? are you sure "linux floppy" is a network card? |
| 17:32.57 | c00r | Kalidarn: not taking "outside" messages ? |
| 17:33.31 | Sepho | anybody knows how can I view with what paremeters I've installed one application?? I need compile one with parameter --with=makedb, but I've install the program via apt and I don't know how can I vieew the configure parameters |
| 17:33.35 | xelam | Kalidarn: moderation |
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| 17:34.06 | c00r | Kalidarn: im not nicserved .. |
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| 17:34.35 | adii | cheal, it can be a firewire since there's firewire on this laptop. tho i have no idea what it is really. it is detected as a network module |
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| 17:34.52 | Kalidarn | nah i dont know why its not working |
| 17:34.53 | loxley | Kalidarn: hmm, maybe they faced the fact that Ballmer actually was a bad apple and deserved it :) |
| 17:34.54 | c00r | ah, private messages from blah is ignored.. ok |
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| 17:35.06 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:35.17 | varsendagger | isthc still herew? |
| 17:35.21 | c00r | Kalidarn: theres so much logging going on and im not liking it |
| 17:35.22 | Kalidarn | .... odd |
| 17:35.23 | varsendagger | thc |
| 17:35.29 | Kalidarn | okaay |
| 17:35.40 | Kalidarn | hold on c00r |
| 17:35.42 | Kalidarn | ill fix it |
| 17:35.46 | Lanz | Hey guys, how can I make it so I don't have to run "/usr/sbin/slmodemd --country=CANADA /dev/slamr0" every tim before I try to connect my dial up modem??? It's kind of annoying... |
| 17:35.51 | c00r | Kalidarn: if they kept it priv but they never do nowdays |
| 17:35.59 | Sepho | anybody knows how can I view with what paremeters I've installed one application?? I need compile one with parameter --with=makedb, but I've install the program via apt and I don't know how can I vieew the configure parameters |
| 17:36.33 | c00r | openblogger.com < .com ? evil guest |
| 17:36.35 | cheal | adii: hum. but what's your ethernet card? |
| 17:36.37 | anubis_EO | Hi guys,I want to implement a E-Mail Scanning System on Debian 3.1/Postfix 2.2, I've looked briefly at Mailscan & ClamSMTP/ ClamAV Can anyone give me some advice on which I should follow through with one of these or another one? |
| 17:36.47 | Kalidarn | c00r u getting thise msges in a new window |
| 17:37.21 | loxley | Kalidarn: what about me??? i also want to talk shit! :) |
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| 17:37.55 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:38.07 | SimonRaven | clam av works fine. dunno anything about mailscan |
| 17:38.08 | Kalidarn | well then loxey start talking |
| 17:38.31 | anubis_EO | SimonRave: Do you know what updating is like on Clam AV? |
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| 17:38.51 | loxley | i better not, then i'll prolly get a lawsuite right to the face |
| 17:38.53 | SimonRaven | 'is like'? as in easy, hard, etc? |
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| 17:39.11 | Kalidarn | loxley: why? |
| 17:39.18 | anubis_EO | SimonRave: Is it well maintained? |
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| 17:39.47 | loxley | Kalidarn: its related to the fact me drinking the last from the bag-in-box 3 litres wine :) |
| 17:40.10 | Kalidarn | oh ok |
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| 17:40.33 | SimonRaven | please tab complete i'm busy, and i'll miss it if you don't. yes it is |
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| 17:40.53 | r3v | where did wesnoth go in etch? |
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| 17:41.19 | adii | cheal, that's a ... lemme see ... |
| 17:41.42 | adii | Texas Instrument TSB43AB22/A IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (Phy/Link) |
| 17:42.06 | c00r | Kalidarn: no go |
| 17:42.13 | c00r | blocked |
| 17:42.15 | Kalidarn | damn |
| 17:42.16 | Kalidarn | umm |
| 17:42.20 | r3v | wesnoth is in sarge and sid. Last week it was in etch. this week it is not in etch anymore |
| 17:42.55 | Kalidarn | okay unloaded all scripts |
| 17:42.57 | Kalidarn | so theres none of them |
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| 17:43.02 | r3v | and another question. if you come on #debian with username on machine as "root" even if you UID isn't 0 (root is regular user, different name is root), it won't let you talk |
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| 17:43.26 | loxley | r3v: and that is completly right action |
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| 17:43.47 | loxley | r3v: since that ain't particular smart to irc as root :) |
| 17:43.54 | anubis_EO | SimonRaven: Thanks |
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| 17:44.01 | r3v | loxley: but name root has no priviledges |
| 17:44.05 | wazzles | box wine, classy |
| 17:44.10 | Kalidarn | c00r: register |
| 17:44.17 | r3v | loxley: uid 0 does, which I changed to something else |
| 17:44.27 | cheal | r3v: was that a question? |
| 17:44.29 | hannex | i want do a netinst via debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso. it hangs on starting the kernel at something like "blabla/vmlinuz.........". same on install|expert|24|26 combination. |
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| 17:45.11 | r3v | cheal: asked two. 1) where did wesnoth go in etch? 2) why can't I have a regular user name root with not priviledges and talk on #debian |
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| 17:46.19 | cheal | r3v: 1) zipios++ was removed from Etch |
| 17:46.24 | SimonRaven | anubis_EO: :) |
| 17:46.48 | c00r | Kalidarn: any solution ? |
| 17:46.59 | Kalidarn | register with nickserve |
| 17:47.33 | r3v | cheal: so should I switch back to sid? I switched to etch so packages would stop disappearing, but all the ones I want are in sid now and etch is broke for me |
| 17:48.10 | cheal | r3v: sure, switch back to sid. the name tells you how much stable it is |
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| 17:48.14 | Magnus-swe | now you can begin with all the logging :) |
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| 17:48.37 | thc | r3v: what are you running that let you actually create a user named "root" ? |
| 17:48.38 | r3v | cheal: I know sid is not stable. but "unstable" more stable than "testing" for me this week |
| 17:48.54 | Bac9 | anyone know why qt/jack/arts haven't been forced into etch yet? is it that they break more packages then they fix or some other reason? |
| 17:49.00 | Kalidarn | Magnus-swe ur regged now? |
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| 17:49.02 | r3v | thc: vim'ing the password/group files |
| 17:49.08 | Kalidarn | if so say what u want it should work now |
| 17:49.32 | madradrone | does the debian installer support serial console? |
| 17:49.35 | Kalidarn | ;) i got a mate of mine who is unregistered to PM me on freenode he got Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg ) |
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| 17:49.54 | Magnus-swe | whats the cmd in irssi ? |
| 17:49.59 | hannex | i want to do an etch-netinst via debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso. it hangs on starting the installations kernel at something like "blabla/vmlinuz.........". same on all install|expert/24|26 combination. the regular netinst image boots it, but theres another error that caused me to use the bussinescard version |
| 17:50.10 | Magnus-swe | "/register.." nah |
| 17:50.18 | Sepho | anybody knows how can I view with what paremeters I've installed one application?? I need compile one with parameter --with=makedb, but I've install the program via apt and I don't know how can I vieew the configure parameters |
| 17:50.18 | Kalidarn | why not? |
| 17:50.21 | r3v | madradrone: i've installed debian from serial console a few times |
| 17:50.33 | madradrone | r3v: rite on |
| 17:50.35 | Magnus-swe | "/nickserv.." nah.. checking again |
| 17:50.57 | Kalidarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:50.59 | Kalidarn | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:51.01 | cal | heya, i tried to move to testing, but i've arsed it up and now some things (like gtk) are playing up. whats the easiest to downgrade? |
| 17:51.03 | cheal | r3v: you know nobody here will recommend running unstable. if you know enough to mix with virtue to go over some issues in testing, great for you |
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| 17:51.11 | nutria | hi guys |
| 17:51.27 | madradrone | r3v: i'm thinking of getting a miniITX system and i have no monitor, only a laptop |
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| 17:51.54 | Kalidarn | Magnus-swe: i pmed u can u see it? |
| 17:51.57 | Kalidarn | i got no errors |
| 17:52.02 | nutria | can someone help me to share my current desktop (display:0) on lan? vncserver and others vns seams to not help |
| 17:52.18 | Kalidarn | if so Magnus do direct chat ;D |
| 17:52.28 | nutria | s/vns/vnc/ |
| 17:52.38 | Magnus-swe | Kalidarn: w8.. |
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| 17:52.55 | madradrone | nullman: vnc is the way to share the whole desktop. you can also run indivdual apps through ssh -X -C sessions |
| 17:53.14 | Kalidarn | w8? |
| 17:53.16 | Kalidarn | lol |
| 17:53.20 | Magnus-swe | lol |
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| 17:53.44 | loxley | nutria: x11vnc allows you to use :0 |
| 17:53.45 | Magnus-swe | this br0ken :P or you got my password ? :) |
| 17:53.48 | madradrone | sorry, nutria not nullman |
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| 17:54.05 | nutria | madradrone: yes it can share a new display but not current |
| 17:54.16 | nutria | loxley: tnx I'll try |
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| 17:54.27 | loxley | nutria: no problemo |
| 17:54.30 | madradrone | nutria: it can display the current and only display |
| 17:54.30 | Magnus-swe | thanks lilo! :) |
| 17:55.42 | igod | Anyone here had use debian installer to create software RAID 1 and install system on it ? |
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| 17:56.03 | SwanseaBL0B | anyone knows h0wto ident w nickserv using irssi ? |
| 17:56.40 | SwanseaBL0B | "/nickserv identify" doesnt.. |
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| 17:56.53 | Whitman | /msg NickServ IDENTIFY ... |
| 17:56.55 | shay | SwanseaBL0B, /quote nickserv |
| 17:56.59 | madradrone | SwanseaBL0B: /msg nickserv help |
| 17:57.04 | SwanseaBL0B | ah, thanks Whitman |
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| 17:57.09 | SwanseaBL0B | et al |
| 17:57.14 | shay | /msg is insecure |
| 17:57.17 | shay | use /quote instead |
| 17:57.54 | Magnus-swe | heh |
| 17:57.56 | godless | is quake4 working on debian ? (running pure64 debian now but running into problems) |
| 17:58.17 | hannex | i want to do an etch-netinst via debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso. it hangs on starting the installations kernel at something like "blabla/vmlinuz.........". (same on all install|expert/24|26 combination. the regular netinst image starts installation fine - but another error caused me not to use it) |
| 17:58.20 | Magnus-swe | godless check the slashdot post |
| 17:58.26 | madradrone | oh boy the instaheadache game |
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| 17:58.45 | godless | Magnus-swe : so not working then ? |
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| 17:59.20 | Magnus-swe | godless also at http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/misc ... i havent been able to compile it for ix86 even (not much time) |
| 17:59.27 | zeeble | hey Magnus-swe .. |
| 17:59.33 | Magnus-swe | hiya |
| 17:59.34 | bucky | mine works |
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| 17:59.45 | linux_addict__ | guys has anyone noticed that Debian are much much faster than ubuntu ? |
| 17:59.47 | zeeble | you're the guy who wrote the proftpd gui config thing, right? |
| 17:59.57 | Magnus-swe | bucky: see if that url differs from your install.. |
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| 18:00.21 | Magnus-swe | zeeble: im making all the gtk+ sever frontends as far as i know |
| 18:00.29 | Magnus-swe | sever/server |
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| 18:00.38 | zeeble | Magnus-swe: damn. nice. long time. |
| 18:00.40 | godless | Magnus-swe : isn't that quake3 ? |
| 18:00.42 | zpn_laptop | does anyone know if you can restrict framebuffers to one virtual terminal (tty1 for example) |
| 18:00.51 | sepski | linux_addict__, comparing things that dont run the same set of services are rather pointless imho |
| 18:00.51 | linux_addict__ | Debian was really like a rocket on my laptop.. unlike this heavy fedora or ubuntu... anyone noticed similar things ? |
| 18:01.09 | zeeble | linux_addict__: umm, it is a rocket on my new laptop. sure :) |
| 18:01.18 | Magnus-swe | thanks dudes, greetings zeeble nice to see you again |
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| 18:01.58 | zpn_laptop | any ideas? |
| 18:02.05 | Magnus-swe | godless: yeah, thats q3src |
| 18:02.05 | Kalidarn | HAHAHA |
| 18:02.14 | Kalidarn | someone did try to delete the ballmer page |
| 18:02.15 | Kalidarn | 23:33, 20 Oct 2005, Flammable blocked 169.226.228.125 (expires 23:33, 30 Oct 2005) (contribs) (Vandalizing TEH BALLMAR.) |
| 18:02.19 | hannex | what can i do if a kernel stops booting (unpacking?) at "blabla/vmlinuz........."? |
| 18:02.30 | Magnus-swe | Rotfls |
| 18:02.34 | linux_addict__ | I had a little problem guys while compiling the 2.6.8 Debian-modified kernel with my Dothan Pentium M processor |
| 18:03.02 | linux_addict__ | I've installed the patches for this bug.., but something strange happened |
| 18:03.13 | zeeble | like? |
| 18:03.36 | linux_addict__ | the X was working in the old kernel and not working in the new kernel |
| 18:03.43 | Magnus-swe | Kalidarn: ive put some work into pkgspider recently and the beta does install a semi nice LFS base |
| 18:03.47 | zpn_laptop | if anyone can knows of a way to restrict framebuffers to a single virtual terminal, please PMm me |
| 18:04.04 | zeeble | linux_addict__: hm, looks like you deselcted some option somewhere.. |
| 18:04.07 | liran_ | .com is a TLD right? |
| 18:04.12 | sussudio | !msg me |
| 18:04.12 | dpkg | Nobody is going to /msg you. Especially, don't /msg sussudio. |
| 18:04.13 | zeeble | liran_: yes. |
| 18:04.16 | Kalidarn | hehe gw Magnus-swe |
| 18:04.25 | liran_ | thanks zeeble |
| 18:04.26 | linux_addict__ | zeeble: mayb.. It was ma first time to compile a kernel :d |
| 18:04.38 | linux_addict__ | zeeble: I've installed debian to learn linux better.... |
| 18:04.52 | zeeble | linux_addict__: heh. good luck. check out kernel-package and stuff. |
| 18:04.54 | Magnus-swe | Kalidarn: thanks, i think itll be quite current in a year or so as computing speeds progress |
| 18:05.27 | hannex | what can i do if a kernel stops booting (unpacking?) at "blabla/vmlinuz........."??? |
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| 18:05.39 | linux_addict__ | zeeble: btw, is there a program or a method to make a restore of ur system after crashing from thing like kernel panic |
| 18:05.55 | zeeble | linux_addict__: i am not sure. |
| 18:06.04 | Magnus-swe | hannex: add more input to us ? |
| 18:06.05 | Alphix | linux_addict__: watchdog |
| 18:06.11 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: restore what? |
| 18:06.17 | linux_addict__ | somethin that will make ma debina return as it was bf4 playing with the kernel |
| 18:06.19 | dli__ | hannex, boot from another kernel, say, from a CD |
| 18:06.24 | linux_addict__ | debian** |
| 18:06.30 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: a decent backup |
| 18:06.38 | zeeble | oh. your old kernel will not be affected by a kernel compile or crash. |
| 18:06.42 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: which can be done for you by mondo |
| 18:07.12 | zeeble | you always keep your old kernel, and the play around with new kernel builds. |
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| 18:07.42 | bucky | Magnus-swe, this is where i got mine but if he's using amd64 he'll have to run it from his 32bit chroot |
| 18:07.43 | bucky | http://www.3ddownloads.com/linuxgames/ut2k4/demo/UT2004-LNX-Demo3334.run.gz |
| 18:07.49 | Magnus-swe | if anyone wants to play some with bind and setting up DNS servers ive a new beta of the unreleased gbindns on mange.dynalias.org/linux/gbindns |
| 18:07.50 | Alphix | linux_addict__: what exactly do you mean by "restore system"...reboot? reboot to another kernel? restore the system on your hard drive to the one that was there a week ago? |
| 18:07.55 | linux_addict__ | aha, keep it in another name ... knda lke vmlinuz`uname -r`.old |
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| 18:08.30 | linux_addict__ | Alphix: What i mean is a tool like System Restore in Windows Server or Windows XP |
| 18:08.46 | hannex | dli__: its the installationdisk for netboot (current testing bussiness 50mb) |
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| 18:09.16 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: the debian methods to install kernels always keep the old kernel |
| 18:09.43 | linux_addict__ | valdyn_: u mean make-kpkg method ? |
| 18:09.49 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: yea |
| 18:09.52 | Magnus-swe | hmm, irssi should have a thing where it indicates if beeing prived and on what tab |
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| 18:10.05 | Alphix | linux_addict__: sure....regular backups, there are several tools in the debian archive to do it |
| 18:10.06 | rep2 | How could I get debian to execute mouse and keyboard commands that are received over a network (TCP), or to send commands? |
| 18:10.07 | Magnus-swe | oh, it does.. :) |
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| 18:10.45 | valdyn_ | rep2: what do you really want to do? |
| 18:11.05 | dli__ | hannex, get another image |
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| 18:11.17 | dli__ | hannex, burn your CD with slower speed |
| 18:11.18 | linux_addict__ | Alphix: is there a better method than tarred and gzipped images of ma hard drive |
| 18:11.31 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: apt-cache show mondo |
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| 18:11.54 | linux_addict__ | valdyn_: i'll google this package..., merci |
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| 18:12.22 | rep2 | valdyn: I have two monitors, one for my windows box, one for linux, and I have one keyboard and mouse. I want to save hassle, and keep the kbd & mouse connected to one computer and, using a hotkey, switch the input between the local computer, and the other computer via ethernet |
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| 18:13.34 | hannex | dli__: the normal net-inst image boots - but another problem causes me not to use. thx, ill burn it on a lower speed |
| 18:14.19 | dli__ | hannex, just one idea, it happened to me, even at 8x burnt 12x cd-r |
| 18:14.21 | Alphix | linux_addict__: that question cant be answered...."better" depends on your specific needs....tar + gz is "better" when it comes to compability (i.e. you can retrieve files from the image on that old Unix box your neighbour has in his basement)...other solutions are good for other purposes....personally I use tar + bz2 + scp to another host.... |
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| 18:14.44 | Dasnipa` | WINE goes beta next week how exciting |
| 18:14.57 | Dasnipa` | will the debian package system update for it? |
| 18:14.57 | hannex | any idea is a good idea ;-) |
| 18:15.15 | valdyn_ | Dasnipa`: why do you think that is exciting? |
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| 18:15.35 | valdyn_ | Dasnipa`: wine isnt going to change just by being 'renamed' to beta |
| 18:15.54 | Dasnipa` | well i was hoping it would accompany a patch |
| 18:16.13 | Dasnipa` | which possibly would let me run a program which i had been attempting to |
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| 18:16.54 | Magnus-swe | im having a hard time keeping track of linux friendlies, nowdays all but sco and m$ seems to be.. input wanted |
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| 18:17.36 | Alphix | Magnus-swe: US patent office? :) |
| 18:17.39 | valdyn_ | Magnus-swe: eh? there's a ton of hardware companies that defenitely are not |
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| 18:18.12 | linux_addict__ | guys , why do all business companies distribure programs in rpm not deb ?!! |
| 18:18.17 | initiate | where can i find a cdrecord-prodvd key to download for debian ? |
| 18:18.18 | Magnus-swe | yeah you guys but ati nvidia.. what else ? |
| 18:18.20 | darkcmd | say I do not use any window managers just icewm, can I install hald and have it only mount cdroms and dvdroms automatically into /media/cdrom, or /media/dvdrom |
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| 18:18.24 | linux_addict__ | distribute* |
| 18:18.33 | cheal | linux_addict__: because they don't |
| 18:18.36 | valdyn_ | initiate: this is no warez channel |
| 18:18.37 | betoreyez | who to enable apt authentication? |
| 18:18.42 | Dasnipa` | just use the conversion util to convert to deb |
| 18:18.46 | Dasnipa` | or to tar.gz |
| 18:18.49 | initiate | valdyn_, it's supposed to be free... |
| 18:18.52 | Dasnipa` | easy enough |
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| 18:18.55 | cheal | linux_addict__: or because they suck |
| 18:18.56 | valdyn_ | initiate: nope |
| 18:19.08 | darkcmd | anyone know how I can do what I wanted |
| 18:19.09 | initiate | well then i`m boned again ... hazzah |
| 18:19.17 | Magnus-swe | initiate: its on google |
| 18:19.19 | linux_addict__ | i still believe the deb system is much more stable... i was in a hell with fedora |
| 18:19.19 | cheal | !tell betoreyez about apt-secure |
| 18:19.24 | Magnus-swe | initiate: its not warez |
| 18:19.36 | linux_addict__ | but Novell, Mandrake and other business-oriented distros use rpm |
| 18:19.45 | linux_addict__ | is there a relation with legal things ? |
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| 18:19.53 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: nope |
| 18:20.02 | Magnus-swe | initiate: its binary only and hence annoying and possibly evil |
| 18:20.03 | gravity | linux_addict__: RPM is the standard because Redhat is the standard in the business world. |
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| 18:20.14 | cheal | linux_addict__: no. commercial distros such, that's all |
| 18:20.18 | betoreyez | cheal: thanks |
| 18:20.19 | darkcmd | Say I just use a window manager, and want hald to only mount dvdrom data and cdrom data is this possible |
| 18:20.21 | cheal | s/such/suck |
| 18:20.26 | Magnus-swe | amen |
| 18:20.28 | darkcmd | and have it mount in the correct place in /media |
| 18:20.37 | initiate | ... free or not Magnus-swe and valdyn_ ? |
| 18:20.39 | linux_addict__ | gravity: business is the motivating rule then... not the better technology :S |
| 18:20.41 | sussudio | !confuse darkcmd |
| 18:20.42 | dpkg | No, who is my pineapple yesterday, darkcmd? pants of the republic of swaziland with extra cheese |
| 18:20.45 | valdyn_ | darkcmd: hald doesnt mount anything at all |
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| 18:20.50 | Magnus-swe | initiate: free but binary my friend |
| 18:20.52 | Alphix | Magnus-swe: lots and lots of hardware companies? See gpl-violations.org, search LKML for JGarzik's comments on companies that refuse to give out specs for SATA hardware, see WLAN card manufacturers...etc... |
| 18:21.04 | last_kaiowa | hi, i trying to install debian in a amd64 but i allways get erros .. apic error on cup, any help?? |
| 18:21.11 | darkcmd | valdyn_: what does it do then? |
| 18:21.14 | initiate | ok thanks mage |
| 18:21.17 | initiate | Magnus-swe* |
| 18:21.21 | cheal | last_kaiowa: try asking #debian-amd64 |
| 18:21.30 | last_kaiowa | ok,thx |
| 18:21.42 | valdyn_ | darkcmd: hald is just about notifying applications |
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| 18:21.57 | gravity | linux_addict__: dpkg isn't really any better technology than rpm. |
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| 18:22.06 | darkcmd | heh, how can I have it so cdroms automount then |
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| 18:22.15 | Magnus-swe | initiate: i missed something ? |
| 18:22.28 | linux_addict__ | gravity: but i have tried fedora with yum.... the whole system crashes after updates |
| 18:22.28 | darkcmd | linux_addict__: its the apt system ontop of debs that is awesome |
| 18:22.30 | Magnus-swe | '*'.. |
| 18:22.40 | gravity | linux_addict__: The difference is that Debian has 1000 developers who actively care for their packages and adhere to a policy to ensure quality and consistency. Redhat has more limited manpower and no real codified policy that I'm aware of. |
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| 18:23.04 | valdyn_ | darkcmd: via gnome-volume-manager, for example |
| 18:23.21 | darkcmd | but doesn't that require gnome? |
| 18:23.29 | linux_addict__ | gravity: Then the problem is from the guys who make the packages, not the packages technology itself ... |
| 18:23.38 | gravity | linux_addict__: Pretty much, yeah |
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| 18:23.46 | valdyn_ | darkcmd: you can easily check out if it does yourself |
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| 18:24.03 | linux_addict__ | well, popular open-sourced projects will never be beaten :d |
| 18:24.13 | gravity | I hope that's true |
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| 18:24.23 | linux_addict__ | gravity: **hope** ? |
| 18:24.25 | darkcmd | requires all of the gnome libs |
| 18:24.38 | Xenguy | linux_addict__: migrate to debian :-) |
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| 18:24.39 | gravity | linux_addict__: Sorry, just my own personal worries. |
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| 18:25.06 | linux_addict__ | gravity: are u a developer, or a powerful user ? |
| 18:25.13 | gravity | linux_addict__: I'm a developer |
| 18:25.31 | Magnus-swe | whered zeeble go ? |
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| 18:25.59 | linux_addict__ | gravity: Iam learning C and C++ now... my dream is to join the debian project... i loved debian alot |
| 18:26.04 | valdyn_ | darkcmd: 'usbmount' is simple, maybe worth a try |
| 18:26.10 | gravity | linux_addict__: Cool. Keep it up. |
| 18:26.20 | valdyn_ | darkcmd: doubt its useful for cdroms though |
| 18:26.25 | Magnus-swe | linux_addict__: prove your practical skillz |
| 18:26.40 | gravity | linux_addict__: It took me years to get the nerve to join Debian. So don't worry about doing it right away. Just learn and enjoy learning. |
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| 18:26.56 | Magnus-swe | linux_addict__: se it like this, code for oss |
| 18:27.00 | linux_addict__ | gravity: yeah, I think it will take a long time |
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| 18:27.11 | dusk | gravity: heya, im vijays friend |
| 18:27.22 | gravity | dusk: Oh hey! What's up? |
| 18:27.24 | Dasnipa` | yeah large amounts of code is very intimidating at first |
| 18:27.32 | Dasnipa` | in any type of setting |
| 18:27.35 | dusk | gravity: nada, no games to play so back to linux |
| 18:27.38 | darkcmd | hmmm.. wonder if I can setup extensions for idesk, so I can right click on my cdrom icon and |
| 18:27.41 | darkcmd | mount it |
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| 18:28.02 | linux_addict__ | Iam wondering if a kernel can be written in Object oriented language |
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| 18:28.14 | linux_addict__ | somethn like Objective-C or C++ |
| 18:28.21 | gravity | dusk: Heh, nice |
| 18:28.39 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: no reason why it could not |
| 18:28.40 | Corvus | why not ? |
| 18:28.41 | gravity | linux_addict__: Why not? |
| 18:28.56 | gravity | I'd imagine it's fairly trivial to find a simple kernel written in C++ |
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| 18:29.10 | tmjb | hello,could somne be nice to give me switches to build source deb file I am new dpkg and apt-get (former user of rpm;) |
| 18:29.14 | peterrooney | linux_addict__: why would any turing-complete language be incapable? |
| 18:29.24 | linux_addict__ | gravity: I asked a lot of guys about that..... A lot of them says that C++ and other OO languages cause a lot of *unneeded* overhead |
| 18:29.36 | darkcmd | I write code in perl lol |
| 18:29.42 | gravity | linux_addict__: This is true |
| 18:29.49 | gravity | linux_addict__: But you could still do it if you want |
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| 18:30.05 | peterrooney | darkcmd: ooh, that's an evil thought...where's the wet noodle? |
| 18:30.12 | linux_addict__ | gravity: I mean real kernels.... a unix clone kernel by exmaple |
| 18:30.19 | gravity | linux_addict__: Why not? |
| 18:30.35 | gravity | linux_addict__: I think you need to sit down and poke through the kernel sources and see what it really does. |
| 18:30.38 | Dasnipa` | anyone got a recomendation for audio player for large playlists? |
| 18:30.42 | linux_addict__ | gravity: cuz of the unneeded overhead and complexity |
| 18:30.51 | gravity | linux_addict__: So? |
| 18:30.58 | ke6isf | !polls Dasnipa` |
| 18:31.02 | ke6isf | blargh. |
| 18:31.05 | linux_addict__ | gravity: well, u r right... i dunno in kenrels... so i must not talk now :d |
| 18:31.07 | gravity | linux_addict__: Are you asking if it's possible or if it's a good idea? |
| 18:31.09 | ke6isf | !tell Dasnipa` -about polls |
| 18:31.18 | gravity | There's a difference |
| 18:31.22 | linux_addict__ | gravity: a good idea ? |
| 18:31.24 | ke6isf | Dasnipa`: That said, xmms. |
| 18:31.33 | gravity | linux_addict__: Probably not a good idea |
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| 18:31.47 | gravity | linux_addict__: Although that depends on your needs. The Java VM is written in... JAVA |
| 18:32.01 | gravity | And it works fine. The mono vm was written in C# |
| 18:32.19 | gravity | Not a kernel, but still... |
| 18:32.38 | peterrooney | linux_addict__: well, since kernels deal with hardware, an imperative language seems a better choice than a logic language. mind you, some of the artifacts of LISP stem from direct hardware manipulation. |
| 18:32.38 | linux_addict__ | gravity: u think that in the future... linux will b written in another language.. or will it be replaced by another *newer* project |
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| 18:32.59 | Dasnipa` | ty ke6isf i killed totem with my list lol after it speant 40 mins loading the playlist |
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| 18:33.20 | Corvus | i don't think you are right, because jvn isn't written in java |
| 18:33.22 | dagi | How can i view the printers in the samba workgroup? |
| 18:33.28 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: you are really talking about very large timeframes, kernel technology is old, and progresses very very slowly only ( 50+ years probably ) |
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| 18:33.56 | gravity | linux_addict__: I doubt it. These things tend to happen in increments. |
| 18:34.14 | valdyn_ | linux_addict__: so linux wont easily be 'outdated' within jsut a few years |
| 18:34.15 | gravity | linux_addict__: Although in the future it'll one day be obsolete |
| 18:34.26 | gravity | Man that's abstract |
| 18:34.28 | linux_addict__ | mmm, sounds like C will survive for 10 years at least |
| 18:34.37 | gravity | C is good for many things. |
| 18:34.39 | linux_addict__ | mmm, it's just an imagination of the future :d |
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| 18:35.44 | dagi | how can i get samba help? |
| 18:35.54 | sussudio | guess. |
| 18:35.59 | Tortel | !samba |
| 18:35.59 | dpkg | methinks samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 18:36.04 | dusk | gravity: what is ari's handle here? |
| 18:36.11 | ke6isf | dagi: ...rtfm? |
| 18:36.12 | gravity | dusk: He's not in here |
| 18:36.20 | gravity | dusk: But that's his handle right there :-) |
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| 18:36.30 | tmjb | hello,could somne be nice to give me switches to build source deb file I am new dpkg and apt-get (former user of rpm;) ? |
| 18:36.38 | tmjb | please |
| 18:36.38 | dusk | heh |
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| 18:36.42 | ke6isf | !repeat tmjb |
| 18:36.43 | gravity | tmjb: Build from what exactly? |
| 18:36.55 | ke6isf | argh |
| 18:36.56 | valdyn_ | tmjb: there's no 'source deb files' |
| 18:37.06 | tmjb | ipw2200-source_1.0.3-1_all.deb |
| 18:37.07 | linux_addict__ | tmjb: go to debian.org... in the doucumentation section u'll fild a good tutorials for dpkg |
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| 18:37.40 | gravity | tmjb: Ugh. You want to install that, find out where it installed the sources (dpkg -L ipw2200-source) and then build the thing |
| 18:37.47 | valdyn_ | tmjb: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw2100 |
| 18:37.51 | valdyn_ | tmjb: apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) module-assistant; m-a prepare; m-a a-i ipw2200 |
| 18:37.53 | hcy | hi, i had to switch my harddrive. in order to save the hastle of having to reinstall my OS's, I mounted a disk via nfs and did dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/backup/hd.img bs=1M . Then I switched the harddrives, booted knoppix, and did the 'dd' command in reverse. So far so good. the new disk is twice the size as the old one, though (40 as opposed to 20G). cfdisk /dev/hda shows the partitions that were there before, there now, and shows 20G unpart |
| 18:37.53 | hcy | itioned space. That's good. I want to expand two of my existing partitions to take up the space, but knoppix's qtparted program has the resize option greyed. |
| 18:38.13 | gravity | Ah, modass. I forgot about that. Good call. |
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| 18:38.25 | trakinas | hi there |
| 18:39.05 | Alphix | hcy: it will probably depend on the file system you use, some file systems have resizing tools....some dont |
| 18:39.30 | trakinas | Im having problems with my locales. it´s complete screwed. I run dpkg-reconfigure locales and nothing changes. it cant create lc_messages, lc_all. |
| 18:39.39 | tmjb | valdyn_:tnx for the pointers |
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| 18:39.46 | sussudio | it was a good locales too. |
| 18:39.49 | hcy | then i tried 'nparted' which also comes with knoppix. when I select a partition i want to edit and select 'edit', it says: "Unable to align partition properly. This probably means that another partitioning tool generated an incorrect partition table, because it didn't have the correct BIOS geometry. It is safe to ignore, but ignoring may cause (fixable) problems with some boot loaders." |
| 18:39.52 | trakinas | also, some program cant run cause it cant find the locales.... :/ any help? |
| 18:40.15 | nixie | hcy: it might be easier to simply make partitions and filesystems on the new harddrive first, mount them, then use tar to backup the old disk and untar it on the new. grub/lilo it and you're good to go |
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| 18:40.46 | hcy | so, me thinks that before i continue i need to somehow regenerate the partition table. anyone know how to do that? |
| 18:41.19 | hcy | nixie, i don't think that would be easier. the disk works at the moment, boots fine, i just need to expand these partitions. |
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| 18:41.46 | hcy | Alphix: it's ext3 that i want to expand. but as i said, i think i somehow need to regenerate the partition table first. |
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| 18:44.03 | nixie | hcy: im not sure but iirc if you use dd, you also overwrite the new disks's partition table, so perhaps resize tools work with the old partition table. thats why i prefer the tar method usually, to prevent partitioning hassles :) |
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| 18:44.56 | pedro420 | nvz: Nandrew ? |
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| 18:45.10 | hcy | well how do you remake the partition table? |
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| 18:46.33 | Alphix | hcy: you can do it in fdisk as well.....but if you mess up....:) |
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| 18:53.02 | RoundQube | hello all |
| 18:53.19 | ApTek | Hi |
| 18:53.55 | Tortel | Hello |
| 18:54.04 | Tortel | Its a booring rainy day here |
| 18:54.05 | Tortel | :( |
| 18:54.11 | RoundQube | i've compiled kernel 2.6.13 using make-kpkg and then installed it but after a reboot the kernel panics stating "cannot mount .... unknown(0,0)" |
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| 18:54.30 | RoundQube | i've checked my grub config and its fine, all other kernels i have load just fine |
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| 18:54.55 | RoundQube | im in minneapolis, Minnesota so its kinda nice here right now, just waiting for the winter so i can snowboard =) |
| 18:55.04 | Alphix | RoundQube: are you sure you have all the drivers statically compiled into the kernel for accessing the partitions? (both controller card and file system drivers) |
| 18:55.12 | RoundQube | anyone know what that error could imply? |
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| 18:55.21 | port7 | RoundQube: did you compile in all right filesystems? |
| 18:55.35 | RoundQube | Alphix: i have all the ext2 etc.. compiled into kernel, but i will double check |
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| 18:55.52 | RoundQube | that is what i had thought after the first kernel panic so i checked again, but wont hurt to check a 3rd time |
| 18:55.56 | Alphix | RoundQube: also the drivers for your HD controllers |
| 18:56.19 | RoundQube | i've only compiled modules for PPP because i need MPPE as a module so I can VPN into work |
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| 18:57.13 | loxley | RoundQube: check the initrd image also.. |
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| 18:57.42 | RoundQube | loxley: im not using that, should i be? |
| 18:57.52 | rapsys | I have question about /etc/security/limits.conf file |
| 18:58.00 | ChrisBradley | Hello |
| 18:58.03 | rapsys | how to get this rules take in care |
| 18:58.09 | paolob | Hi guys! I'm trying to use skipe in gnome, but it tells me (in the terminal): "/dev/dsp-1: Device or resource busy" . What is the reason? Does gnome use /dev/dsp-1? thank you? |
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| 18:58.53 | port7 | paolob: lsof | grep dsp-1 |
| 18:59.09 | ChrisBradley | Thank you Debian - For making my current X-Chat possible |
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| 18:59.24 | ^KserVIII^ | wenas... alguien m puede echar un cable?? apache 1.3 no m resuelve los php |
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| 18:59.37 | paolob | port7: $ lsof | grep dsp-1 |
| 18:59.37 | chealer | !es |
| 18:59.37 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:59.38 | paolob | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev |
| 18:59.38 | paolob | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.38 | RoundQube | loxley: should i be compling with initrd as well? |
| 18:59.44 | ^KserVIII^ | tengo instalada la libapache-mod-php4 y a?adidos los AddType |
| 18:59.48 | loxley | RoundQube: yeah try it |
| 19:00.04 | TNKS | Hi all. I'm a little confused about whether dpkg/apt enforces the Debian Policy by not allowing non-conf files of one package to be overwritten by another. |
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| 19:00.44 | paolob | port7: $ sudo lsof | grep dsp |
| 19:00.45 | paolob | esd 640 paolo 5w CHR 14,3 18802974 /dev/dsp |
| 19:01.06 | paolob | port7: My gnome is using esd? How can I migrate to alsa? |
| 19:01.07 | port7 | paolob: maybe try stopping esd, i have to do that when i want to play Enemy Teritory with sound |
| 19:02.00 | chealer | TNKS, 2 non-conflicting packages must not provide the same files |
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| 19:02.12 | port7 | paolob: not sure as I have never done that before |
| 19:02.13 | Zap-W | what is netapp |
| 19:02.31 | chealer | TNKS, oh I guess I don't know. I think dpkg would though |
| 19:02.44 | loxley | RoundQube: if you are making a module of ext3 etc you will need initrd |
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| 19:03.11 | gravity | TNKS: I think it does |
| 19:03.11 | olczyk | I got a problem with my mouse. |
| 19:03.13 | SimonRaven | paolob: esd and alsa are 2 different beasts. first is a 'sound daemon', the other is a sound sub-system. first is userspace, second kernelspace with userspace accesses |
| 19:03.26 | gravity | TNKS: Although it can very likely be dpkg-divert'ed if you want... but that's still against policy |
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| 19:03.35 | pedro420 | Hi all. Can anyone tell me why when i try to open my volume controls it says no mixers or devices found ? But I could open it yesterday |
| 19:03.38 | SimonRaven | @wb gravity |
| 19:03.39 | ravenbird | Welcome back gravity, o lonely traveller amongst the TCP/IP packets of chaos. |
| 19:03.43 | gravity | SimonRaven: :-) |
| 19:03.47 | SimonRaven | :) |
| 19:03.53 | paolob | SimonRaven: but which of the two is gnome dealing with? |
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| 19:04.11 | olczyk | I have a wheel mouse. In the past I n oticed that the wheel mouse driver does not work well with a Belkin KVM. |
| 19:04.40 | thc | gravity: radeon 9550 should run fine under xorg's ati driver, yes? (not planning on using for anything 3D) |
| 19:04.49 | olczyk | But the standard mouse dreiver does. But it seems that deb ian is loading the wheel mouse driver. |
| 19:04.54 | SimonRaven | paolob: esd, if you enable the sound daemon (in the prefs, in 'Sound'), alsa otherwise (if loaded) |
| 19:04.55 | gravity | thc: I imagine so |
| 19:05.01 | olczyk | version: sarge |
| 19:05.11 | thc | alrighty then. i'm gonna order it. |
| 19:05.32 | paolob | SimonRaven: so, if I disable sound in gnome sound preferences it should use alsa? |
| 19:05.37 | ke6isf | !tell olczyk -about enter |
| 19:05.39 | SimonRaven | paolob: 'enable sound server startup' is the pref i'm talking about |
| 19:05.44 | SimonRaven | yeh |
| 19:05.53 | paolob | SimonRaven: let me try... |
| 19:05.58 | port7 | paolob: uncheck that and see what happens |
| 19:06.14 | Gokee2 | hey all I want to make a user with very little power. All I want him to be able to do is read files |
| 19:06.24 | Gokee2 | Whats the easiest way to do that? |
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| 19:07.14 | port7 | Gokee2: get them to read the files via http? |
| 19:07.36 | Gokee2 | port7, No... I want it to be a user |
| 19:07.49 | Gokee2 | That user will run a bot |
| 19:07.53 | SimonRaven | that is a user, anonymous ;p |
| 19:07.57 | alienbrain | anyone know of a way to make a root, and a chroot share some directory or another in the filesystem ? |
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| 19:08.26 | Kevin` | hard link or mount --bind |
| 19:08.29 | Gokee2 | SimonRaven, How do I use anonymous? |
| 19:08.42 | SimonRaven | Gokee2: via http ;) |
| 19:08.50 | SimonRaven | i'm just kidding |
| 19:09.03 | Gokee2 | Then how...? |
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| 19:10.15 | dpower | Gokee2: man adduser; man chmod |
| 19:10.24 | tarzeau | why oh why must debian make a user called "Debian-exim" ? |
| 19:10.26 | SimonRaven | Gokee2: most users can't just go editing around, fyi. most of the system is either read-only, or off-limits entirely. this is what ownerships and group memberships do |
| 19:10.37 | Gokee2 | Ya... |
| 19:10.38 | SimonRaven | and file perms i forgot to add |
| 19:10.44 | Gokee2 | I chmod a lot of stuff 777 |
| 19:10.52 | ke6isf | !pal Gokee2 |
| 19:10.52 | tarzeau | Gokee2: that's bad |
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| 19:11.00 | dpower | lol |
| 19:11.03 | Gokee2 | Ya I know |
| 19:11.11 | SimonRaven | O_O |
| 19:11.11 | ke6isf | Gokee2: Well, if you know, why are you doing it? |
| 19:11.15 | Gokee2 | But there a lot of 777 files |
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| 19:11.19 | SimonRaven | so why do you do it then? |
| 19:11.40 | Gokee2 | Because whenever there is somehting that complanes about rights I chmod it 777 |
| 19:11.59 | SimonRaven | that's not a good solution. unless you don't mind getting r00ted |
| 19:12.03 | ke6isf | Gokee2: That's not the answer to the problem. |
| 19:12.07 | rabies | how do i set a source to not check for verification by gpg? |
| 19:12.09 | Gokee2 | Its a bad habit... But I don`t know if other numbers will make it work |
| 19:12.11 | Kevin` | 6777 is better for that ;) |
| 19:12.20 | SimonRaven | @lart Kevin` |
| 19:12.21 | chealer | tarzeau, when we discussed the new wiki last time, you mentioned something about having a #debian-specific part. what do you think it should feature? |
| 19:12.23 | Gokee2 | Whats 6777? |
| 19:12.25 | Kevin` | Gokee2 just learn what they mean |
| 19:12.30 | rabies | whats the sources.list flag? |
| 19:12.33 | paolob | SimonRaven: unsetting sound in the gnome preferences lets me with a soundless gnome next gnome start |
| 19:12.38 | ke6isf | Gokee2: Read the man page on chmod, study it, sleep with it under your pillow. |
| 19:12.44 | Gokee2 | ok... |
| 19:12.45 | Kevin` | Gokee2 suid, sgid, readwrite and exec for all |
| 19:12.47 | SimonRaven | paolob: killall esd |
| 19:12.54 | tarzeau | chealer: i don't remember |
| 19:13.05 | Gokee2 | But that does not solve the fact there is already a bunch of 7777 files on my computer |
| 19:13.21 | tarzeau | chealer: ah the wiki.debian.org is covering everything related to debian |
| 19:13.28 | Kevin` | Gokee2 777 or 7777? |
| 19:13.30 | thc | rabies: /msg dpkg apt-secure |
| 19:13.32 | paolob | SimonRaven: done. Still there isn't sound |
| 19:13.34 | Gokee2 | 777* |
| 19:13.35 | chealer | tarzeau, ok, if you think the new wiki should have something like that, I'd be interested to know what you have in mind |
| 19:13.35 | tarzeau | chealer: the one in the topic only covers this place here, and pointers to debian related irc places? |
| 19:13.44 | chealer | tarzeau, yes |
| 19:13.48 | chealer | brb |
| 19:13.49 | ke6isf | Gokee2: Well, you're just going to have to chmod them back to something more secure. 755 is decent for binary executables for world executable or for subdirs for navigating, for instance. |
| 19:13.59 | SimonRaven | paolob: well, what does cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp do? |
| 19:14.10 | Gokee2 | hmmm |
| 19:14.19 | paolob | SimonRaven: a tremend noise |
| 19:14.24 | Gokee2 | I can`t make a user that can write nothing? |
| 19:14.28 | SimonRaven | paolob: sound works |
| 19:14.33 | Gokee2 | And read everything?> |
| 19:14.47 | ke6isf | Gokee2: The answer is in 'man chmod'. |
| 19:14.49 | Gokee2 | Kind of strange user.. But it would be nice to have |
| 19:14.52 | SimonRaven | Gokee2: on a normal system it's already that way |
| 19:14.52 | ke6isf | Gotsta run an errand... |
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| 19:15.02 | paolob | SimonRaven: actually, sound is disabled in gnome preferences |
| 19:15.11 | SimonRaven | paolob: no, esd is |
| 19:15.14 | Gokee2 | SimonRaven, hmmmm well I guess I am stuck then |
| 19:15.20 | SimonRaven | esd != sound |
| 19:15.29 | paolob | SimonRaven: ah.... |
| 19:15.35 | port7 | paolob: sound works just not sound via esd what gnome uses |
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| 19:15.49 | paolob | SimonRaven: but can I use sound without esd in gnome? |
| 19:15.55 | SimonRaven | of course |
| 19:16.08 | paolob | SimonRaven: .... how?... |
| 19:16.10 | SimonRaven | with alsa, it's better that way, imo |
| 19:16.26 | SimonRaven | you just use it. might want to look at dmix too |
| 19:16.28 | SimonRaven | !dmix |
| 19:16.28 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 19:17.09 | paolob | SimonRaven: should I install dmix? |
| 19:17.11 | resiak | paolob: Hell, you can invoke esd as `aoss esd` to make esd work through alsa |
| 19:17.18 | SimonRaven | it's part of alsa |
| 19:17.29 | paolob | resiak: where should I put that command? |
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| 19:17.57 | resiak | paolob: Make Gnome run it when you log in. |
| 19:18.13 | paolob | resiak: how? |
| 19:18.20 | resiak | paolob: And if you say "how", the answer is "I don't know, because I don't use Gnome. But Gnome makes everything easy, right? So there's no problem!</sarcasm>" |
| 19:18.40 | SimonRaven | google it |
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| 19:18.58 | resiak | SimonRaven: Ssh! Don't give them ideas, they might learn to help themselves and then not come in here! |
| 19:19.04 | dpower | why ppl prefer gnome is still beyond me |
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| 19:19.33 | resiak | !ppl |
| 19:19.33 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
| 19:19.36 | SimonRaven | resiak: that's the general idea ;) |
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| 19:19.55 | dpower | why people prefer gnome is still beyond me* |
| 19:19.56 | port7 | ahh but if they didn't help themselves how would we entertain ourselves on a sat nite? |
| 19:20.07 | dpower | would you like proper caps and punctuation? |
| 19:20.13 | thc | dpkg: fckff! |
| 19:20.14 | resiak | punct yes |
| 19:20.20 | resiak | Hahah. |
| 19:20.22 | dpower | !punt |
| 19:20.43 | kimo | has anyone used the vmplayer from vmware? Can I have an empty image to install anything to? |
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| 19:20.52 | cal | heya, i tried to move to testing, but i've arsed it up and now some things (like gtk) are playing up. whats the easiest to downgrade? |
| 19:21.03 | Kevin` | vmware costs money |
| 19:21.13 | zinx | Kevin`: vmware player doesn't |
| 19:21.16 | kimo | Kevin`, vmplayer is free (beer) |
| 19:21.16 | thc | people like gnome because it's easy to use. most beginners who use gnome eventually move on to something else. deal with it. |
| 19:21.19 | SimonRaven | #vmware |
| 19:21.23 | Kevin` | what's vmplayer |
| 19:21.28 | zinx | kimo: what OS? |
| 19:21.31 | resiak | cal: /msg dpkg downgrade; probably you should reinstall Sarge. |
| 19:21.38 | kimo | zinx, windows & Linux |
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| 19:21.47 | cal | resiak: is it that bad? :( |
| 19:21.56 | kimo | I want an empty vm to install anything to ? |
| 19:21.58 | resiak | cal: /msg dpkg downgrade, like I said |
| 19:22.09 | cal | resiak: thankyou |
| 19:22.19 | zinx | kimo: i'm not sure if you can load external media w/ vmware player (i'll admit, though, i've never used it) |
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| 19:22.37 | kimo | zinx, I have & it works :) |
| 19:22.39 | kimo | http://it.slashdot.org/it/05/10/20/2227225.shtml?tid=126&tid=185&tid=218 |
| 19:23.23 | chealer | tarzeau, do you agree it would be ideal to point to the new wiki instead of yours, when/if w.d.o gets good enough? |
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| 19:23.37 | phogg | I can see it now... the future of application packaging. For security and ease of use, package it woith its own self-executing virtual OS. |
| 19:23.54 | Zap-W | what's the alternative to NIS? |
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| 19:24.45 | paolob | SimonRaven: I installed all the alsa and dmix stuff. What now? |
| 19:25.01 | tarzeau | chealer: yes, if it has the same amount or more information, that's fine for me |
| 19:25.24 | Magnus-swe | has anyone tried the yet to be released gbindns ? |
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| 19:25.35 | Magnus-swe | which im making btw |
| 19:25.42 | kimo | damn does anyone own vmware & is willing to post a generic empty vm disk ? |
| 19:26.01 | sussudio | kimo: does this look like a warez channel? |
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| 19:26.14 | kimo | sussudio, I am not asking for anything illegal |
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| 19:26.27 | Magnus-swe | please test it on a live setup, preferrably with ipv6 and send me some mails on what can be included disregarding the todo |
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| 19:26.33 | SimonRaven | paolob: read /msg dpkg dmix again |
| 19:26.36 | sussudio | you're not asking for anything that has anything to do with debian whatsoever |
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| 19:26.50 | Kevin` | kimo I used to have vmware heh, might be able to start vmware from qemu :) |
| 19:26.54 | kimo | sussudio, vmplayer runs on debian :) |
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| 19:26.57 | SimonRaven | kimo: #vmware |
| 19:26.58 | chealer | tarzeau, cool |
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| 19:27.08 | kimo | SimonRaven, thnx |
| 19:27.08 | Magnus-swe | SimonRaven: greetingz |
| 19:27.16 | valdyn_ | !z |
| 19:27.17 | SimonRaven | hi |
| 19:27.17 | dpkg | z is probably (in grapics programming al least) the 3rd dimension, used in such terms as z-buffering. And a formal specification notation based on settheory and first order predicate logic. the last letter of the alphabet, or a poor substitute for 's'. |
| 19:27.30 | Magnus-swe | greetingz kimo |
| 19:27.42 | kimo | Magnus-swe, :) |
| 19:27.46 | Magnus-swe | :) |
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| 19:28.01 | thc | group hug! |
| 19:28.09 | Magnus-swe | kimo, SimonRaven: im back at hackschool :) |
| 19:28.19 | kenboo | libslpl installation hangs with netstat while apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:28.19 | Magnus-swe | kimo, SimonRaven: expect great things hehe |
| 19:28.20 | ifireball | seems exim-tls was removed from sarge, is the exim that ships default with sarge supposed to include SSL support? |
| 19:28.28 | kenboo | how can i fix? |
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| 19:28.53 | Nexus | Anyone having issues with the LIST command using vsftpd? Suddenly vsftpd just doesn't give directory listings... |
| 19:29.00 | dpower | ls ? |
| 19:29.03 | Magnus-swe | kimo, SimonRaven: any of you use ipv6 and can use it for testing an ipv6 bind/gbindns app ? |
| 19:29.19 | kimo | Magnus-swe, I might not be the person you think I am! |
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| 19:31.02 | Magnus-swe | kimo: i dont care atm.. id have thought you was kimosabe but im on irssi so i cannot determine this wo having a strain in my coding arm :) |
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| 19:31.49 | Magnus-swe | Edgey: change your nick or ill see to it you dont surf again... i like edguy damnit! :) |
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| 19:32.09 | EdgEy | O_o |
| 19:32.13 | Magnus-swe | ok ? |
| 19:32.13 | EdgEy | lol |
| 19:32.14 | Magnus-swe | :) |
| 19:32.18 | Gnea | hrmmm |
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| 19:32.28 | Gnea | Magnus-swe: you will shut your hole and respect that choice of nick. |
| 19:32.56 | Magnus-swe | i have a history of respect... |
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| 19:33.10 | Gnea | oh ok |
| 19:33.13 | mz_64 | is there any possibility to get nvidia-7676 on amd64 the debian way? atm only able to find nvidia-glx 1.0.7174-3 |
| 19:33.16 | gravity | wtf |
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| 19:33.26 | Gugj | How do i install a .deb file? |
| 19:33.31 | gravity | Gugj: dpkg -i |
| 19:33.31 | EdgEy | dpkg -i file |
| 19:33.34 | Gnea | Gugj: dpkg -i file.deb |
| 19:33.37 | EdgEy | lol |
| 19:33.51 | valdyn_ | mz_64: that is ( as source ) in experimental. You could build it yourself. |
| 19:33.51 | Gugj | Worked ! :) thanks |
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| 19:34.30 | Magnus-swe | Edgey: itd be neat if you went gey/guy.. something you wanna do ? |
| 19:35.02 | thc | did you just say it would be neat to turn gay? |
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| 19:36.06 | dobby | hello i need to backup a Direcotry with all the user information and Permission. Can please give me a hint on how to do that? |
| 19:36.19 | Kevin` | cp a-a |
| 19:36.34 | Kevin` | er |
| 19:36.35 | Kevin` | cp -a |
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| 19:38.11 | ifireball | dobby: consider using "cpio" |
| 19:38.17 | EdgEy | [20:31:49] Magnus-swe Edgey: change your nick or ill see to it you dont surf again... i like edguy damnit! :) |
| 19:38.21 | EdgEy | wtf is edguy? |
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| 19:38.40 | Magnus-swe | EdgEy: its a rock group similar to maiden |
| 19:38.50 | Magnus-swe | EdgEy: really good |
| 19:38.54 | EdgEy | k |
| 19:38.59 | Gnea | EdgEy: he must have smoked some really good crack this morning |
| 19:39.05 | EdgEy | why dont you change to edguy then? |
| 19:39.12 | Un_Mec_Sympa|AwA | who speack fre,ch please? |
| 19:39.17 | Gnea | !fr |
| 19:39.18 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 19:39.27 | Gnea | Un_Mec_Sympa|AwA: ^^ |
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| 19:40.27 | Un_Mec_Sympa|AwA | thanks |
| 19:40.27 | TNKS | Does debfoster basically do the same thing as Aptitude's "markauto" functionality? |
| 19:40.28 | Magnus-swe | neat ? |
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| 19:40.35 | Gnea | Magnus-swe: what is your problem? |
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| 19:41.28 | c14n | hmm |
| 19:41.29 | c14n | this sucks |
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| 19:41.40 | Gnea | nothing new |
| 19:41.40 | paolob | SimonRaven: I think all should be working now. Thank you! |
| 19:41.43 | c14n | when my server boots up, networking just isn't even started |
| 19:42.01 | Gnea | c14n: did the initscript get removed? |
| 19:42.06 | c14n | if i ifconfig it myself, it will work. (of course) but it's like /etc/interfaces isn't even parsed |
| 19:42.16 | c14n | no, the networking is in the rc' scripts folder |
| 19:42.21 | Gnea | !interfaces |
| 19:42.22 | dpkg | Your network configuration in potato and later is done in the file /etc/network/interfaces. "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also "dhcp client". for laptops, use /etc/pcmcia/network.opts instead or see "man resolv.conf" for DNS or ask me about "static route" |
| 19:43.06 | Gnea | c14n: and /etc/interfaces will never get parsed, since it's /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 19:44.14 | c14n | sorry, it is /etc/network/interfaces** |
| 19:44.17 | Magnus-swe | Gnea: i seem to have upset you, me and my team develops all server frontends for gnome, dont you like gnome or what ? |
| 19:44.37 | c14n | It's properly configured too, i've read 3 seperate debian network guides to confirm it's setup |
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| 19:44.44 | c14n | It's like it just overlooks it completely |
| 19:44.58 | Magnus-swe | Gnea: how did i upset you ? |
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| 19:45.07 | Gnea | Magnus-swe: gnome is the worst pile of crap to have ever been written. it's too much like windows and is too resource hungry. i don't care what you've written, that is no excuse whatsoever to behave like a 10 year old. |
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| 19:45.21 | Fuji22 | How can I burn into a dvd ? |
| 19:45.28 | Magnus-swe | Gnea: and how did i do that ? |
| 19:45.36 | c14n | gnome like windows? |
| 19:45.42 | c14n | It acts more like Mac OS 9 than windows... |
| 19:45.46 | c14n | Kde acts more like windows. |
| 19:46.01 | c14n | and xpde... we're not even going there. |
| 19:46.02 | c14n | lol |
| 19:46.03 | Gnea | Magnus-swe: if you don't know, and if you need to ask, then you need to just stop talking now. |
| 19:46.09 | Magnus-swe | Gnea: respect child, respect |
| 19:46.14 | Fuji22 | How can i bnurn files into DVD in debian? |
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| 19:46.36 | c14n | Gnea: question, how/why wouldn't the network script start the ifconfig |
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| 19:46.41 | c14n | i do it manually and it doesn't even work |
| 19:46.48 | Gnea | c14n: it might be improperly configured |
| 19:47.09 | mz_64 | Fuji22: dvd+rw-tools |
| 19:47.15 | Gnea | c14n: and if it's not in the rc folders, then it needs to be put back there |
| 19:47.28 | c14n | not even loopback is starting |
| 19:47.28 | c14n | so |
| 19:47.38 | c14n | (note: eth0 is detected at boot) |
| 19:47.38 | Gnea | Fuji22: what mz_64 said - growisofs |
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| 19:47.56 | Fuji22 | mz_64: Yes, I have it , but i don't know how to burn two files into it , i see only how to burn ISO , and i MUST burn it fast.. |
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| 19:48.49 | mz_64 | valdyn_: growisofs -Z /dev/hdb -R -J filepath/ |
| 19:48.51 | mz_64 | oops |
| 19:48.55 | mz_64 | @ Fuji22 |
| 19:48.55 | nutria | Fuji22: install k3b |
| 19:48.55 | c14n | This sucks ass |
| 19:49.06 | c14n | it's like the rc script just runs and doesn't even do anything |
| 19:49.27 | Gnea | c14n: it's not even an rc script, debian uses sysv not bsd |
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| 19:50.39 | jim | c14n: well hey... if you don't like it, you don't like it... that part is up to you :) (but give it a chance maybe...) |
| 19:51.18 | jim | there's a LOT you (1) aren't aware of yet, and (2) are aware of and not used to... |
| 19:51.35 | jim | just like anything new that has lotsa moving parts |
| 19:51.54 | Gnea | jim: what are you talking about? |
| 19:51.59 | kenboo | how can i check if a file is a part of a package? |
| 19:52.10 | Gnea | kenboo: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 19:52.12 | c14n | It was S35networking in rc0.d and rc6.d |
| 19:52.16 | amphi | kenboo: dpkg -S <file> is one way |
| 19:52.16 | c14n | which was right. |
| 19:52.19 | kenboo | Gnea, uh |
| 19:52.22 | kenboo | thanks guys |
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| 19:52.38 | jim | c14n: yeah, its config file is /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:53.09 | jim | it is running... but that file isn't set up yet (guessing) |
| 19:53.10 | Gnea | c14n: use the pastebot to put your interfaces file up somewhere |
| 19:53.34 | Gnea | !pastebot |
| 19:53.37 | kzar | is there a way to export things permanently? I keep having to export my proxy settings and its getting really annoying |
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| 19:53.38 | Gnea | !paste |
| 19:53.38 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
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| 19:53.58 | Gnea | kzar: on the commmand line? |
| 19:54.04 | kzar | yea |
| 19:54.09 | Gnea | kzar: just throw it in ~/.bashrc |
| 19:54.25 | EmleyMoor | I'm trying to compile a specially patched version of obexftp... everything is fine apart from the fact that .so files are not generated for its libraries. It compiles using the configure, make, make install methjod - can anyone advise how to generate .so either at the time or after the fact? |
| 19:54.39 | kzar | Gnea if i made a file /etc/bashrc would that work for all users? |
| 19:54.55 | kzar | oh wait i found the file |
| 19:54.59 | c14n | hmmm |
| 19:55.01 | c14n | wth |
| 19:55.01 | ShorTie | good afternoon guys |
| 19:55.02 | concept10 | Is it safe to resize a ext3 partition (increase size of ext3 part, decrease size of NTFS) with parted?? |
| 19:55.09 | kzar | its /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 19:55.12 | Gnea | kzar: what's wrong with the regular .deb? |
| 19:55.23 | c14n | The networking script isn't even using the /etc/network/interfaces settings |
| 19:55.25 | Gnea | er |
| 19:55.26 | c14n | strace to 0 |
| 19:55.31 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: what's wrong with the regular .deb? |
| 19:55.32 | c14n | like not even opening it |
| 19:55.38 | kzar | thanks Gnea |
| 19:55.38 | Gnea | kzar: sorry, mis-msg |
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| 19:55.41 | Gnea | np |
| 19:55.43 | ShorTie | i'm trying to get the nvidia display drivers in |
| 19:55.50 | ShorTie | i've run "apt-get -f install" that installed a bunch of dependencies |
| 19:56.00 | c14n | Figured it out |
| 19:56.00 | adii | where are located network configuration files ? |
| 19:56.01 | Gnea | !tell ShorTie about nvidia one-liner |
| 19:56.02 | ShorTie | i've run "apt-get -f install" that installed a bunch of dependencies |
| 19:56.03 | c14n | :) |
| 19:56.10 | c14n | Gnea: (btw not my server) i run arch natively |
| 19:56.17 | c14n | the douche removed ifup/ifdown |
| 19:56.17 | Fuji22 | Thanks.. k3b is working... |
| 19:56.20 | EmleyMoor | Gnea: Not patched for USB |
| 19:56.29 | ShorTie | then did "dpkg -i nividia-kernel-source_1.0.7676-1_i386.deb" to extract the kernel sources |
| 19:56.42 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: aaah, so what source tree are you using? |
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| 19:56.53 | ShorTie | but sortta at a lost as to what to do next |
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| 19:57.02 | c14n | now |
| 19:57.09 | c14n | to figure out which package has that damned |
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| 19:57.11 | lxIT | hello everyone |
| 19:57.11 | c14n | ifup in it |
| 19:57.13 | Gnea | ShorTie: see what dpkg just msg'd you with |
| 19:57.24 | c14n | which package has /sbin/ifup ifdown |
| 19:57.31 | Gnea | c14n: dpkg -S /sbin/ifup |
| 19:57.32 | EmleyMoor | obexftp-0.10.7 with Daniel Burr's patch |
| 19:57.37 | c14n | Gnea: grazi |
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| 19:57.43 | Gnea | :) |
| 19:57.48 | ShorTie | ya see it |
| 19:57.54 | dvs | !find ifup sarge |
| 19:58.00 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: i mean, did you get it with apt-get source or did you snag it off of a website? |
| 19:58.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'ifup' (7 of 10): (/etc/qemu-ifup) in misc/qemu ;; (/etc/hotplug/net.ifup) in admin/hotplug ;; (/usr/sbin/guessnet-ifupdown) in net/guessnet ;; (/etc/ifplugd/action.d/ifupdown) in net/ifplugd ;; (/usr/share/shorewall/wait4ifup) in net/shorewall ;; (/etc/waproamd/action.d/ifupdown) in net/waproamd ;; (/usr/share/Bastille/ifup-local) in admin/bastille. |
| 19:58.14 | EmleyMoor | Gnea:off web site |
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| 19:58.54 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: you should apt-get source it, apply the patch to that tree and get it working, and create a .deb that you can just use again later |
| 19:59.07 | lxIT | I want to startup in textmode instead of graphical login. How do I change the /etc/inittab? (Debian 3.1) |
| 19:59.09 | TNKS_ | Hi all. I was wondering. Does aptitude's "automark" system completely subsume debfoster's functionality? |
| 19:59.14 | c14n | it's part of ifplugd? |
| 19:59.17 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: otherwise i'm not sure... |
| 19:59.50 | Gnea | EmleyMoor: of course, what you're doing is fine too, but it's not a supported method here :) |
| 19:59.51 | cahoot_ | lxIT: try /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:59.52 | Fuji22 | Does anybody knows how to make from a avi file (and a srt subtitle file) the DVD needed files for VIDEO? |
| 20:00.12 | lxIT | cahoot_ : I'll try, thanks! |
| 20:00.56 | sussudio | Fuji22: do your own googling |
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| 20:01.13 | c14n | i still cannot find what package /sbin/ifup is from |
| 20:01.34 | c14n | dpkg -S just shows the locations, i allready know that. |
| 20:01.35 | dpkg | Package: just shows the locations, i allready know that.: Status: install ok installed |
| 20:01.37 | kzar | I have another question, is it possible to set somthing up so that you can ping names like you can in windows? |
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| 20:01.41 | valdyn_ | c14n: and you typed 'dpkg -S /sbin/ifup' ? |
| 20:01.45 | EmleyMoor | Well, with it being 0.10.7 in sarge, I will try patching it myself - maybe tomorrow |
| 20:01.56 | valdyn_ | c14n: i guess you read the output line again.. |
| 20:01.57 | c14n | valdyn_: Just shows me what i allready know |
| 20:01.58 | c14n | nothing new. |
| 20:02.07 | valdyn_ | c14n: paste the line |
| 20:02.11 | c14n | I allready know where it's add |
| 20:02.14 | c14n | at* |
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| 20:02.54 | c14n | but none of the packages show exactly /sbin/ifup |
| 20:02.55 | jim | c14n: I think it's in ifupdown |
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| 20:03.03 | c14n | I added that allready |
| 20:03.06 | jcurry | i am having trouble with rsync, i get "rsync: not found", even though it is installed on both ends |
| 20:03.20 | jim | is that where it's located |
| 20:03.22 | jim | ? |
| 20:03.30 | jim | and do you have ifup? |
| 20:03.41 | valdyn_ | c14n: you cant get help if you dont do what you get told here ) |
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| 20:04.11 | Alphix | kzar: what do you mean? |
| 20:04.58 | jim | jcurry: hmm... see what dirs (strings between ':') there are in $PATH |
| 20:05.08 | kzar | Alphix: Well say if I give my computer the hostname of bob, in windows I could "ping bob" and it would work, but in linux it doesn't |
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| 20:05.43 | Alphix | kzar: add it to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:05.53 | valdyn_ | Alphix: umm? |
| 20:05.54 | ttick | has anyone done a net-install of 'testing' recently? I'm getting "Loading archdetect failed for unknown reasons. Aborting." Though 'stable' seems to work. Anyone know a work-around, or how long this bug has been known? |
| 20:05.54 | jcurry | jim, on the remote device? (i'm trying to sync between a local dir and an ssh-accessible zaurus) |
| 20:06.03 | c14n | jim: you were correct |
| 20:06.04 | Alphix | valdyn_: ? |
| 20:06.04 | c14n | :) |
| 20:06.04 | valdyn_ | kzar: he probably meant you to add things to /etc/hosts |
| 20:06.12 | c14n | fixed that damned server |
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| 20:06.20 | tarzeau | ttick: you should always install stable first |
| 20:06.23 | c14n | the server is like 50 feet away |
| 20:06.23 | Alphix | valdyn_: yes he did =) |
| 20:06.24 | kzar | Well I already know you can do that but its a bit of a chore doing it for every pc |
| 20:06.26 | stu | howdy #debian |
| 20:06.26 | jim | c14n: cool... |
| 20:06.29 | c14n | can't copy and paste from it |
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| 20:06.31 | c14n | lol |
| 20:06.33 | ttick | tarzeau: why is that? |
| 20:06.36 | Alphix | in fact...he needs coffee |
| 20:06.36 | c14n | brb |
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| 20:06.46 | tarzeau | ttick: why do you want to install right directly testing? |
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| 20:06.50 | Gnea | hrm |
| 20:06.51 | valdyn_ | kzar: if you dont want to do that, you have to set up a nameserver |
| 20:06.57 | tarzeau | ttick: to save time? then work on getting the next base install of debian smaller... |
| 20:07.05 | valdyn_ | kzar: unix ping doesnt support name lookup via smb as windows does |
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| 20:07.15 | jcurry | jim, on the zaurus, /root/bin:/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/home/QtPalmtop/bin, but rsync is in /opt/QtPalmtop/bin ...thanks! |
| 20:07.16 | valdyn_ | kzar: ( iirc ) |
| 20:07.19 | ttick | tarzeau: because that's the dist i wish to run. I'd like to keep up to date on my packages as much as possible. |
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| 20:07.31 | tarzeau | ttick: then you want sid/unstable. not testing |
| 20:07.31 | kzar | valdyn_ what does iirc mean? |
| 20:07.37 | tarzeau | ttick: and go install stable first |
| 20:07.43 | Gnea | !iirc |
| 20:07.43 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 20:07.52 | valdyn_ | !iirc |
| 20:07.59 | ttick | tarzeau: I know the difference between them. I'd just like to know why you recommend installing 'stable' if I want to run 'testing' |
| 20:08.04 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.04 | Gnea | ld: drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/built-in.o: No such file: No such file or directory |
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| 20:08.14 | Gnea | but i didn't tell it to build that scsi module..... |
| 20:08.16 | tarzeau | ttick: because stable can be installed |
| 20:08.16 | kzar | Cool ok, nevermind then, thought it might be an easy thing to setup but if its going to be a hastle its not worth it |
| 20:08.17 | kzar | thanks |
| 20:08.32 | stu | i have a headless server that's been giving me problems on reboot, it wants the root password and fsck to be run almost every time I reboot it, this is a big problem since the machine is unattended and hard to get to, is there a way to have it automatically perform this process unattended? |
| 20:08.38 | tarzeau | ttick: there are moments when you can't dist-upgrade to testing |
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| 20:08.45 | valdyn_ | kzar: its fairly easy via dnsmasq, but probably not *that* easy |
| 20:08.46 | Gnea | and i go back to the .config after i make, and it's enabled: CONFIG_SCSI_QLA2XXX=y |
| 20:08.52 | tarzeau | (depending on the packages you have installed in stable) |
| 20:08.55 | ttick | tarzeau: so can testing usually. But you said "you should always install stable first" |
| 20:09.05 | tarzeau | ttick: yes and i stick to it |
| 20:09.07 | ttick | tarzeau: I'm asking for justification of the "always" |
| 20:09.10 | jim | Oooh! a race!! |
| 20:09.16 | jim | who's racing? |
| 20:09.18 | Gnea | races are fun :) |
| 20:09.27 | tarzeau | ttick: are you using preseed.cfg to select something else? |
| 20:09.28 | Gnea | jim: make and .config |
| 20:09.38 | tarzeau | ttick: or what are you doing, to get right into testing? |
| 20:09.48 | jim | ttick: theTick? |
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| 20:10.02 | ttick | tarzeau: no, I'm using the installer to select 'testing' right after it asks what mirror and DLs the distro info. |
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| 20:10.20 | tarzeau | ttick: well if it doesn't work, what other choice do you have? |
| 20:10.33 | jim | or something like that, the_tick, was that your old nick |
| 20:10.39 | stu | anyone? unattended headless server demanding root password and fsck on reboot? big problem for me? :~( |
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| 20:10.54 | valdyn_ | stu: its asking you for the root password etc b/c it wants to do things that might destroy data and there is no way to fix this automatically |
| 20:10.58 | dondelelcaro | stu: set FIX=yes |
| 20:11.01 | tarzeau | stu: remote? |
| 20:11.09 | Tortel | Anyone know any good games for debian? |
| 20:11.09 | stu | yes tarzeau |
| 20:11.15 | jim | ttick: if so, I recognize you having had your feet wet in linux for years and years |
| 20:11.16 | dondelelcaro | specifically, FSCKFIX=yes |
| 20:11.24 | tarzeau | stu: time to make holidays ;) |
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| 20:11.33 | dondelelcaro | and get a serial console on that box. |
| 20:11.47 | ttick | tarzeau: I've installed stable, and know that works. I was asking if perhaps I was doing something wrong, or if something changed since the March on the install floppies that would cause an error only for 'testing'. I know the work-around of installign 'stable' first. But if I had my druthers I'd install 'testing' directly. You're advising against that, even if I could. And I would like to know why. But I get a feeling you don't h |
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| 20:12.07 | stu | dondelelcaro, that sounds like the kind of thing i was hoping for, i'll start googling, thanks a lot |
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| 20:12.21 | jim | ttick: let's find out which stable you have... cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:12.32 | tarzeau | ttick: with testing and unstable, packages in base might have something (look BTS) that doesn't allow installation |
| 20:12.32 | dondelelcaro | stu: you don't need to google; edit /etc/default/rcS; set FSCKFIX=yes |
| 20:12.32 | jim | oic |
| 20:12.43 | tarzeau | ttick: man it can be anything. you are not providing detailes error messages |
| 20:12.50 | ttick | jim: I blasted that install. Trying for the 'testing'. Installed 'stable' last night, though. |
| 20:12.54 | tarzeau | ttick: so how could i read your mind and give you the answer you want to hear? are you nuts? |
| 20:12.59 | dondelelcaro | stu: you're still going to want a serial console on that box though, any remote administration place worth it's salt should be able to set one up for you. |
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| 20:13.26 | olczyk | Help I have a logitech whee, mouse connected through a Belkin KVM. The driver seems to be working badly. This happened with previous installations if I installed the wheel mouse driver instead of the regular driver, Which I think I am doing now. How do I fix it? |
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| 20:14.03 | ttick | okay, so I gather nobody has net-installed 'testing' successfully recently. And this has been borked for an unknown amount of time. |
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| 20:14.10 | stu | dondelelcaro, it's a box on an adsl line stashed in a closet :P |
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| 20:14.12 | Gnea | olczyk: it's the kvm - belkim kvms are crap with linux, get a zonet. |
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| 20:14.39 | Tortel | Anyone know any good games for debian? |
| 20:14.40 | Tortel | :( |
| 20:14.42 | jim | ttick: reviewed what you said before... could it be you have sata drives? |
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| 20:14.46 | tarzeau | Tortel: plenty. nethack |
| 20:14.47 | Gnea | Tortel: lots |
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| 20:14.57 | chealer | Tortel, tuxracer :) or neverball |
| 20:15.00 | ttick | jim: unlikely. This is a very old machine (Thinkpad X24) |
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| 20:15.06 | jim | Tortel: I bet you could get the quake4 demo |
| 20:15.09 | Gnea | tarzeau: hey what was that bubble bobble game we were playing before? :) |
| 20:15.12 | tarzeau | Tortel: dopewars. supertux. pathogen. www.mtp-target.org http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 20:15.13 | stu | Tortel, rogue is fun too |
| 20:15.25 | tarzeau | Gnea: you played it too? dark green dragon? |
| 20:15.26 | Gnea | rofl |
| 20:15.29 | zinx | jim: there is no quake4 demo |
| 20:15.34 | Gnea | tarzeau: nodnod |
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| 20:15.39 | Gnea | bub-n-bros |
| 20:15.40 | tarzeau | Gnea: whahahahaha :) |
| 20:15.40 | Gnea | that's it |
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| 20:15.46 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:16.02 | tarzeau | Gnea: how many times did i steal the bananas right in front of your noze? BWAHAHAHA |
| 20:16.05 | sussudio | wanggg |
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| 20:16.28 | tarzeau | oh an gnurobbo is great too |
| 20:16.30 | Alphix | Tortel: wesnoth |
| 20:16.32 | Gnea | tarzeau: i just had fun jumping from bubble to bubble and catching the massive gems ;) |
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| 20:16.51 | uli_ | erm hi! |
| 20:16.57 | tarzeau | Gnea: i think i've got another 100 unplayed levels... |
| 20:17.01 | tarzeau | takatumi: are you in, too? |
| 20:17.09 | uli_ | anybody knows something about fancontrol & temperature? |
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| 20:17.41 | surfdue | hey anyone know off hand were i go to change the defualt apache directory, if i go to my ip it redirects to /apache2-default i dont want it to do this? |
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| 20:19.00 | Tortel | lalala |
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| 20:19.08 | TNKS_ | Hi all. I've been reading Martin Krafft's book (which I'm really stoked about), but there's a discussion that he harps upon that I'm a little confused about: He doesn't seem to be keen on package postinst scripts programmatically constructing /etc configuration files. But I'm not sure I see the problem with this. |
| 20:19.09 | uli_ | hellooo... anyone an idea... |
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| 20:19.13 | jim | ttick: hmm |
| 20:19.37 | jim | no quake4 demo? so what, I have to buy the damn thing... ok, maybe someday :) |
| 20:19.40 | tarzeau | Gnea: are you joining ? |
| 20:19.49 | Blissex | uli_: consider reading http://tinyurl.com/bz8v4 on how to ask questions. |
| 20:19.50 | ttick | jim: well, my install floppies are from when Sarge went gold. So maybe the installer is a bit out of date for testing, or something. |
| 20:20.04 | ttick | jim: looking for new floppies now. |
| 20:20.05 | zinx | jim: if you want to play it, anyway.. either that or go visit a friend that has it :) |
| 20:20.07 | uli_ | @jim: they want you to buy the full version quake 4, before you find out, the game is crap in the demo ^^ |
| 20:20.27 | ttick | jim: I'd CD install, but unfortunately, cdrecord is afu right now. grrr. |
| 20:20.28 | jim | ttick: does the machine -freeze-? or can you reboot it when it "stops"? |
| 20:20.53 | jim | ttick: if you could just get your networking going... |
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| 20:21.21 | ttick | jim: the installer falls back into a debug mode, where the menu choices advocate publishing the debug status to the web (it starts up a tiny webserver that serves the log pages -- actually pretty cool idea) |
| 20:21.34 | uli_ | @blissex: the thing is, i have a problem, and i already looked in the docs etc. and i hoped to get some help in here. maybe someone knows how to solve my problem |
| 20:21.48 | uli_ | and already looked in the internet, and posted in forums |
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| 20:21.56 | jim | uli_: idsoftware has quite a bit of credibility at least with me... everything they've ever done was a major hit |
| 20:22.10 | jim | (ok, original wolfenstein might be an exception :) |
| 20:22.15 | ttick | jim: the install fails after I select the mirror, and distro, and after the "anna" package it gets the "Archdetect" package, which fails. |
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| 20:22.41 | Blissex | uli_: fine, but unfortunately our telepathic advisors are all busy on other lines. :-) |
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| 20:22.56 | jim | ttick: so you get the net configured and it downloads at least one somethingorother |
| 20:23.03 | ttick | jim: yep |
| 20:23.07 | luci0 | somebody says a program to make benchmark |
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| 20:23.16 | uli_ | blissex: i wonder what 100 people are doing in here then... just "hanging around" or what... |
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| 20:23.35 | uli_ | 100... i mean 638... |
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| 20:23.45 | uli_ | lol |
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| 20:23.58 | ttick | jim: if I had to guess, I'd say that the archdetect package is borked in Testing. Or the dist file retrieved has a path error for the 'archdetect' package or something. |
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| 20:24.09 | ttick | jim: unfortuantely, I don't really know which. |
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| 20:24.40 | ttick | jim: but it sufficently screws the install enough that the install won't let you pick a new mirror and recover from the error or anything. Just falls back into a debug mode. |
| 20:25.07 | Blissex | uli_: they are here for those that dont require psychic assistance and ask questions that don't require clairvoyance |
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| 20:27.17 | ttick | jim: hmm. the path looks right. |
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| 20:27.41 | jim | ttick: what about a "stable" install? does that fail? |
| 20:27.50 | ttick | jim: no, 'stable' works fine. |
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| 20:28.07 | luci0 | somebody says a program to make benchmark |
| 20:28.14 | jim | you could install just the base then upgrade just the base (which will be the only thing you have) to testnig |
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| 20:28.18 | jim | testing |
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| 20:28.21 | jim | hate that typo |
| 20:28.28 | Gnea | luci0: someone probably does |
| 20:28.29 | valdyn_ | luci0: what do you need? |
| 20:28.41 | luci0 | benchmark cpu |
| 20:28.45 | Gnea | top |
| 20:28.55 | ttick | jim: strange, it's a 3k file that is causing the problem. How sad. |
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| 20:29.32 | jim | you have a chance to help before testing is kicked out the door :) |
| 20:29.32 | Gnea | luci0: i usually do this when i run it: type s, then .5 and enter |
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| 20:29.56 | luci0 | yes |
| 20:30.06 | chealer | ttick, etch d-i is broken enough ATM anyway |
| 20:30.07 | jim | and it would be a good thing if you did, at least for debian's sake |
| 20:30.26 | |XO4| | which windows manager can be installed with a single package? |
| 20:30.26 | ttick | chealer: oh, why do you say? |
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| 20:30.44 | chealer | ttick, just look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstallerToday |
| 20:30.48 | Gnea | |XO4|: a window manager without dependancies? what? |
| 20:30.52 | ttick | chealer: okay, thanks for the link. |
| 20:31.01 | Gnea | |XO4|: fluxbox |
| 20:31.04 | |XO4| | Gnea well no dependecies except X |
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| 20:31.07 | chealer | jim, no real use, there are already enough knos bugs in etch d-i |
| 20:31.24 | chealer | s/knos/known |
| 20:31.40 | ttick | chealer: oh, looks kinda grim. Thanks for that link. I think it will explain a lot. |
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| 20:31.57 | Seb | sup yall |
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| 20:32.10 | jim | yup sall! |
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| 20:32.23 | Seb | i just loaded emu10k1 successfully into my kernel, but somehow /dev/dsp still says "no such device". DO I need another module ? |
| 20:32.29 | |XO4| | Gnea anything more minimalistic than that? |
| 20:32.31 | jim | yul sapp! |
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| 20:32.59 | Alphix | Seb: you probably need snd-pcm-oss |
| 20:33.09 | jim | pus layy! |
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| 20:33.22 | Gnea | |XO4|: twm |
| 20:33.33 | Alphix | Seb: if that is the alsa module you've loaded |
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| 20:34.00 | Seb | Alphix: nah it's the oss one |
| 20:34.09 | waverack | Hi, what is the command to bring up the apt configuration? I only have one of the Debian sources added and I need to add the other, but I forgot the command |
| 20:34.24 | chealer | waverack, try # apt-setup |
| 20:34.25 | Gnea | waverack: apt-setup |
| 20:34.46 | waverack | Thank you :) |
| 20:35.10 | poonj | hey guys..I'm having some trouble booting into a new 2.6.13 kernel. I get a kernel panic saying it can't find the root location and suggests I used root= in grub. For the 2.6.13 grub setup, its setup that root=/dev/sda3, just like its setup for the default 2.6.8 kernel that came with the installation. I'm using a SATA HD device. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 20:35.33 | bhearsum | what package do i dpkg-reconfigure to choose a new apt mirror? |
| 20:35.37 | jim | chealer: not sure what you're saying wrt the installer... that the devs are currently swamped? |
| 20:35.41 | Gnea | poonj: did you compile sata support into the kernel or as modules? |
| 20:35.48 | Alphix | poonj: maybe the 2.6.13 is missing a module or two for the file system, hd controller etc? |
| 20:35.49 | poonj | Gnea: into the kernel |
| 20:36.07 | Gnea | poonj: you sure it's the right chipset? is it showing anything up in the kernel boot message? |
| 20:36.13 | chealer | jim, not necessarily, but etch d-i is limited by britney anyway |
| 20:36.27 | Gnea | poonj: how about scsi device support? that's built-in too? |
| 20:36.30 | poonj | its the via sata chipset |
| 20:36.33 | waverack | What kernel should I use? I tried installing 2.6.12-1-amd64-k8 and it worked before I formatted but now it doesn't work. |
| 20:36.37 | poonj | let me check to make sure |
| 20:36.40 | Gnea | ok |
| 20:37.00 | jim | poonj: you have a coupla choices... you can either compile -everything- needed to mount / (device drivers, fs drivers, whatever else) into the kernel, or as modules and build the kernel as an initrd |
| 20:37.04 | Gnea | poonj: scsi and scsi disk support should at least be built-in |
| 20:37.27 | Gnea | jim: yeah that's true, but building it in is faster and more efficient |
| 20:37.43 | poonj | Gnea: SCSI device support is given as --- |
| 20:37.52 | poonj | it doesn't allow me to select * or m |
| 20:37.53 | Gnea | poonj: make it Y |
| 20:38.01 | Gnea | hrm |
| 20:38.04 | Gnea | that could be a problem. |
| 20:38.11 | poonj | ummm okay.. |
| 20:38.17 | poonj | thats probably what it is then.. |
| 20:38.23 | jim | could be he needs to turn something else on to enable scsi support? |
| 20:38.27 | Gnea | poonj: what source tree is this? a recognized debian patched or vanilla tree? |
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| 20:38.35 | poonj | no.. |
| 20:38.36 | poonj | off kernel.org |
| 20:38.40 | poonj | 2.6.13.4 |
| 20:38.43 | jim | so vanilla |
| 20:38.46 | poonj | yeah |
| 20:38.47 | Gnea | right |
| 20:38.57 | poonj | should I backup to a 2.6.12? |
| 20:39.07 | jim | if it worked, you could do that |
| 20:39.08 | Gnea | well it's either that or the tree itself has bugs with various versions of make and gcc |
| 20:39.18 | poonj | okay |
| 20:39.22 | poonj | that makes sense |
| 20:39.23 | Gnea | poonj: i would |
| 20:39.35 | poonj | the .config file still works right? |
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| 20:39.40 | poonj | I don't want to go through the whole thing again |
| 20:39.46 | Gnea | sure, just cp it over and make oldconfig |
| 20:39.53 | poonj | awesome |
| 20:39.57 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:39.59 | poonj | I'll do that...I appreciate the help Gnea |
| 20:40.01 | Gnea | it flies right thru it |
| 20:40.02 | Gnea | np |
| 20:40.22 | hxh | sl |
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| 20:40.36 | Gnea | poonj: thank jim too |
| 20:40.37 | Gnea | :P |
| 20:40.39 | Gnea | lol |
| 20:41.13 | Seb | each time i try to access /dev/dsp, it tries to load a bunch of snd-*, but I want to use oss (emu10k1 is loaded succesfully). Where do I change that behavior ? |
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| 20:41.32 | Gnea | it seems the sources we found the other day on the maintainers site has some issues - probably why it's not in the main rotation anymore |
| 20:42.04 | Gnea | but i managed to dig out a working source tree on another system (backups are a good thing) |
| 20:42.06 | poonj | thanks jim! |
| 20:42.08 | poonj | :) |
| 20:42.19 | jim | poonj:: what I'd do if I were you, is keep a copy of that config outside the source tree, then make mrproper, then copy the config to (that dir)/.config, then make oldconfig |
| 20:42.50 | Gnea | so yeah, as a warning: do NOT use the kernel sources located at http://www.acm.rpi.edu/~dilinger/kernel-source-2.6.11/ <-- DO NOT USE THESE!!! |
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| 20:43.00 | jim | I've had most of my success that way, and every time I helped someone with the kernel, that got past any problem if I recall correctly |
| 20:43.01 | Eliteforce | hi |
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| 20:43.30 | Eliteforce | i installed apache2 and php4 and if i try to view a php file in a browser now it forces me to download it :D |
| 20:43.30 | poonj | jim: okay, will do |
| 20:43.52 | Tortel | yay! |
| 20:43.54 | Tortel | :D |
| 20:43.54 | poonj | btw |
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| 20:44.09 | Gnea | Eliteforce: check the config files for apache, make sure the AddType and AddHandler for php files are commented out and restart |
| 20:44.13 | jim | bring it back when you're done :P |
| 20:44.17 | poonj | you guys all use gcc 4.0 for compiling kernels? 3.3.x? 2.96? |
| 20:44.22 | xfan | Eliteforce : need to get php_apache |
| 20:44.31 | poonj | I'm using 3.3.x, that shouldn't be a problem right? |
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| 20:44.41 | poonj | gotcha |
| 20:44.44 | Gnea | 3.3 is crap in my book |
| 20:44.48 | Gnea | but YMMV |
| 20:44.48 | poonj | lol |
| 20:44.51 | poonj | why is that? |
| 20:44.51 | Gnea | :) |
| 20:44.56 | jim | I forget, I do compile all my kernels myself (and use make-kpkg to produce .debs of the images), but it's been awhile |
| 20:45.31 | Gnea | 3.4 seems to work better with the extra registers and whatnot - i've noticed performance differences that lean in 3.4's favor |
| 20:45.42 | poonj | okay |
| 20:45.45 | poonj | I'm installing 3.4 |
| 20:46.00 | jim | what about 3.4 versus 4.x? |
| 20:46.15 | jim | specifically for compiling recent kernels |
| 20:46.17 | Gnea | i keep 4.x for 64bit |
| 20:46.33 | Gnea | since that's what it's primarily designed for |
| 20:46.54 | Eliteforce | xfan: libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
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| 20:47.10 | Gnea | too many quirks, although i may do some test kernels with the latest 4.x soon |
| 20:47.11 | xfan | yes, thats you need |
| 20:47.15 | Eliteforce | xfan: i also commented out 2 AddType only in apache2.conf |
| 20:47.24 | Gnea | jim: i've seen nvidia freak out at it |
| 20:48.03 | Gnea | Eliteforce: check your DirectoryIndex too, make sure index.php is a listed value |
| 20:48.11 | Eliteforce | Gnea: it is |
| 20:48.15 | Gnea | :) |
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| 20:48.45 | xfan | Eliteforce : and make sure to: chmod +x /var/www |
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| 20:49.16 | Gnea | oh wow |
| 20:49.25 | Gnea | my backup 2.6.11 tree built perfectly. |
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| 20:50.39 | dr1v3r | anyone here tell me what i type after apt-get install package to get the full installation of the package and libs plz? |
| 20:51.15 | Gnea | !plz |
| 20:51.16 | dpkg | hmm... plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 20:51.30 | Eliteforce | Gnea: hehe right :D |
| 20:51.50 | dr1v3r | you can type apt-get install package and apt-get install package (something else here) |
| 20:51.54 | Eliteforce | postleitzahl :D |
| 20:51.56 | dr1v3r | oppss sorry :( |
| 20:52.02 | Gnea | dr1v3r: nope. |
| 20:52.03 | dr1v3r | i keep forgetting about that :( |
| 20:52.15 | cPbrian | !list |
| 20:52.15 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to cpbrian@is.a.fucktard.com |
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| 20:52.38 | Ronin | cPbrian: your kidding right? |
| 20:52.42 | cPbrian | yes :P |
| 20:52.55 | cPbrian | !heh |
| 20:52.55 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. Or http://odinnet.ath.cx/~erik/heh |
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| 20:53.26 | chealer | wow, OOo2 in sid :) |
| 20:53.34 | cPbrian | really? awesome |
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| 20:53.38 | phar0z | hi |
| 20:53.43 | dr1v3r | Gnea? |
| 20:53.43 | cPbrian | wait OOo2 betas have been in sid for a while right? |
| 20:53.52 | Gnea | dr1v3r? |
| 20:54.01 | chealer | cPbrian, no, only in experimental |
| 20:54.03 | dr1v3r | <Gnea> dr1v3r: nope. |
| 20:54.05 | cPbrian | really? |
| 20:54.06 | dr1v3r | ? |
| 20:54.22 | chealer | cPbrian, yes |
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| 20:54.36 | cPbrian | oh yeah.. i think i know why im confused.. you're probably right |
| 20:54.38 | Gnea | dr1v3r: you cain't type apt-get install package and apt-get install package (something else here) |
| 20:54.55 | Gnea | er, can't |
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| 20:55.09 | Gnea | there is no '(something else here)' |
| 20:55.13 | dr1v3r | sorry i meant apt-get install package or apt-get install package (something else here) |
| 20:55.19 | Gnea | there is no '(something else here)' |
| 20:55.25 | cheal | Closes: 146292 174621 195239 206362 216848 220226 222984 224221 227265 228117 236784 241298 242611 243659 249407 251728 252135 256845 257011 257013 257398 260438 262156 265134 266889 270223 273822 277619 279962 284056 289542 292796 303693 311320 315633 315643 316030 316059 316951 317541 318074 319045 320728 320831 322598 324160 330447 334914 |
| 20:55.40 | cheal | doesn't that look like a nice upload? :D |
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| 20:55.50 | dr1v3r | there is something else i can type after the package name as someone told me before and it worked |
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| 20:55.56 | Gnea | cheal: that's an upload? looks more like an inode table listing heh |
| 20:56.06 | dr1v3r | its to install all the complete files or something |
| 20:56.11 | ryanium`` | Anyone know how to disable from gnome starting up w/ a login screen, rather than just a normal terminal? :\ |
| 20:56.36 | Gnea | dr1v3r: well if you wish to remain vague about it, then you will recieve little to no help on it |
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| 20:56.53 | Firefishe | can anyone dell me how, in bash, to cause the prompt to be displayed globally in this format: [name@name dir] $ |
| 20:56.53 | Gnea | !tell dr1v3r about ask |
| 20:56.56 | Starmaker | Hi, I'm having some trouble setting up a AFP server on my debian box, it just rejects my password, has anyone here had any experience with netatalk? |
| 20:56.57 | cheal | Gnea: hehe |
| 20:57.03 | cheal | !beer _rene_ |
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| 20:57.19 | Gnea | Firefishe: dude! you're getting a dell! |
| 20:57.45 | ryanium | Anyone know how to disable from gnome starting up w/ a login screen, rather than just a normal terminal? :\ |
| 20:58.09 | Firefishe | Gnea: ?? LOL I already have an acrylic, custom made for me by CompUSA monster...I don't need a Farmer In The Dell ;) lol |
| 20:58.12 | dr1v3r | i cant remember what its called, or what it was that i typed or i wouldnt really need help |
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| 20:58.32 | dr1v3r | i am trying to find out what it is this is why i am asking |
| 20:58.33 | Firefishe | Gnea, how would I keep the manure content down if I went that route? ;) *snicker* |
| 20:58.35 | tjostolf | ryanium``: update-rc.d gdm stop and then restart X (?) |
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| 20:59.00 | Gnea | Firefishe: add this to /etc/bash.bashrc: export PS1='[\u@\h \w] $ ' |
| 20:59.23 | Gnea | Firefishe: import more maggots ;) |
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| 21:00.12 | tjostolf | ryanium: to make it permanent for future reboots: update-rc.d gdm remove |
| 21:01.00 | Extim | HAPPY INTERNATIONAL CAPS LOCK DAY! |
| 21:01.00 | Firefishe | Gnea: And I #comment out the lines that are currently there? |
| 21:01.12 | Firefishe | Gnea: Then add what you gave me? |
| 21:01.19 | Gnea | Firefishe: precisely. |
| 21:01.23 | ryanium | tjostolf thanks i will try it now. |
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| 21:01.43 | Gnea | Extim: HAPPY STFU AND RAM A PINE TREE UP YOUR ANAL CAVITY DAY! |
| 21:01.43 | Firefishe | thank you Gnea :) It just doesn't look like bash to me without those brackets :) |
| 21:01.55 | Gnea | heh |
| 21:01.56 | ryanium | Anyone up for helping me with a little wireless problem? lol |
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| 21:02.07 | Gnea | freenik: enjoy |
| 21:02.09 | Gnea | er |
| 21:02.11 | Gnea | Firefishe: enjoy |
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| 21:02.22 | Gnea | !tell ryanium about ask |
| 21:02.25 | ryanium | wlan0: Error while getting inteface flags: no such device |
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| 21:02.29 | ryanium | wlan0: Error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 21:02.33 | ryanium | on bootup |
| 21:02.35 | Firefishe | Extim: HAPPY THIS IS MY BIRTHDAY AND I WISH YOU A HAPPY CAPS LOCK DAY AS WELL! :OP |
| 21:02.41 | ryanium | tjostolf: THANKS |
| 21:02.45 | Eliteforce | i installed the mysqlserver4.1, how can i set the admin pw now? with mysql-admin i guess |
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| 21:02.54 | AnAnt | does the new version of Debian include software like: Acrobat Reader, RealPlayer on the DVD image ? |
| 21:03.04 | Gnea | ryanium: you need to install the correct module for it |
| 21:03.17 | Gnea | AnAnt: no. |
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| 21:03.29 | AnAnt | all-GNU, right ? |
| 21:03.33 | Gnea | AnAnt: right. |
| 21:03.49 | jcurry | I get "Oct 22 17:03:18 [sshd] fatal: PAM: pam_setcred(): Permission denied", but i did create an /etc/environment file...what's wrong? |
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| 21:04.00 | daxxar | !hug |
| 21:04.50 | Gnea | jcurry: did you source it? |
| 21:04.52 | AnAnt | ok, how about it's support for notebooks, winmodems & Intel 915GM/GMS, 910GML graphics Chipset Family |
| 21:04.54 | AnAnt | ? |
| 21:05.42 | Gnea | AnAnt: pretty good, winmodems are crap so don't even go there, and the intel support is better now with xorg |
| 21:06.09 | Gnea | AnAnt: i'm being sarcastic on the winmodem side - you basically float your own boat with those |
| 21:06.12 | cheal | AnAnt: no 3D acceleration for 915 on sarge. works fine o etch |
| 21:06.19 | jcurry | Gnea, no...whta is that, and how do I do it? |
| 21:06.28 | Gnea | jcurry: . /etc/environment |
| 21:06.37 | poonj | hey gnea: another question I had was binding a key (lets say F12) to running a command in the system |
| 21:06.40 | ryanium | Gnea: I believe I installed the correct module for it my model number for my Linksys Wireless G Notebook Adapter is WPC54G |
| 21:06.42 | poonj | where do I go to configure that? |
| 21:06.43 | cheal | AnAnt: s/o etch/on etch/ use vesa if you have to use sarge |
| 21:06.44 | AnAnt | Gnea: I share your opinion, but the notebook has an AC97 modem, I think that is winmodem, so I am stuck with it |
| 21:06.46 | Gnea | jcurry: it 'sources' the file into the running shell environment |
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| 21:07.03 | Gnea | ryanium: if you believed that, then you would get a wlan0 |
| 21:07.14 | AnAnt | cheal: vesa what ? |
| 21:07.22 | Gnea | ryanium: what does dmesg have to say about it when you load the module? |
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| 21:07.30 | cheal | AnAnt: vesa X video driver |
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| 21:07.42 | ryanium | Gnea: ndiswrapper version 1.1 loaded |
| 21:07.44 | AnAnt | cheal: ic, ok, I'll try that |
| 21:07.45 | cheal | AnAnt: instead of the i810 you'd use on etch |
| 21:07.47 | jcurry | Gnea, i don't understand. i did that (i'm not sure i did it righ) but my sshd still gives that error |
| 21:08.09 | Gnea | ryanium: mkay, is this usb, pcmcia or pci? |
| 21:08.15 | ryanium | Gnea: pcmcia |
| 21:08.16 | AnAnt | thx |
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| 21:08.25 | Gnea | ryanium: on a laptop? |
| 21:08.35 | ryanium | Gnea: yes running latest stable version of debian |
| 21:08.37 | Gnea | jcurry: i don't understand either - what did you change? |
| 21:08.51 | Gnea | ryanium: which laptop? |
| 21:09.08 | ryanium | Gnea: a dell lattitude |
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| 21:09.21 | Gnea | ryanium: yes, i know they have attitude, but which one? :) |
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| 21:09.47 | Eliteforce | btw: why does apache2 redirect me into the apache2-default dir? |
| 21:10.07 | ryanium | Gnea: C600 |
| 21:10.08 | Gnea | Eliteforce: cuz it does - just edit /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 21:10.13 | Firefishe | Gnea: In a sec, May I post via #flood my current prompt line in bash.bashrc. I don't want to mess it up. There is some additional coding I'd like you to evaluate for me if you would. |
| 21:10.26 | jcurry | Gnea, sshd gives that error, and the bug report says to make sure /etc/environment exists...io created it, but i still get the error |
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| 21:10.47 | ryanium | Firefishe: www.bsdpunks.net/paste/ |
| 21:10.51 | ryanium | lol |
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| 21:11.05 | ttick | during a new apt-get install, I'm getting "Warning these packages cannot be authenticated" Why am I getting this? Is it because "security.debian.org" was down during my install? |
| 21:11.08 | |XO4| | how do i figure out what package i have installed? |
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| 21:11.25 | Firefishe | ryanium: bsd? LOL |
| 21:11.35 | ryanium | Firefishe dont hate this site was registered 800 years ago |
| 21:11.51 | ttick | |XO4|: dpkg -l |
| 21:11.55 | Gnea | Firefishe: use the pastebin |
| 21:11.56 | Gnea | !paste |
| 21:11.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 21:11.57 | ryanium | |XO4|: dkpk -l |
| 21:12.07 | ryanium | |XO4|: dkpg* -l | grep packagename |
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| 21:12.14 | Morydd | is there any reason X.org would hang after a kernel compile? It locks the whole machine, to the point that I have to powerdown. |
| 21:12.19 | Firefishe | it's a one line paste |
| 21:12.30 | ryanium | oh lol :| |
| 21:12.31 | Gnea | jcurry: what are the contents of /etc/environment? |
| 21:12.45 | Morydd | doesn't even seem to write the Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:12.48 | ryanium | Gnea: Dell Latitude C600 |
| 21:12.49 | antgel | hmm. iptables running on a box is blocking outgoing ssh. am confused as all tcp outbound is allowed. see http://channels.debian.net/paste/949 |
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| 21:13.07 | cheal | !tell ttick about apt-secure |
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| 21:13.27 | Gnea | ryanium: yeah i know, i can read |
| 21:13.37 | jcurry | Gnea, it's empty...i don't know what to put inside it |
| 21:14.06 | ryanium | my bad i did it in 3 diff lines thought it would be cooler on one ;) |
| 21:14.13 | Firefishe | Gnea: I am afraid I am a tad confused at using the paste bin. I thought we just used #flood on this network. It's only a one-line paste anyway, not ascii art ;) |
| 21:14.18 | Gnea | jcurry: what kernel? |
| 21:14.44 | jcurry | Gnea, 2.6.13.2 |
| 21:14.51 | Gnea | Firefishe: this network changes periodically :) if it's just one line, then paste it here |
| 21:15.02 | Firefishe | PS1='${debian_chroot:+($debian_chroot)}\u@\h:\w\$ ' |
| 21:15.04 | Gnea | jcurry: unsupported. |
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| 21:15.44 | deepan | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:16.00 | Firefishe | those chroot's make me pause a bit before I put: export PS1='[\u@\h \w] $ ' in it's place |
| 21:16.01 | Gnea | jcurry: but the file is for generated locales information |
| 21:16.01 | jcurry | Gnea, :) it happened with earlier kernels too....i'm not convinced its a kernel problem |
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| 21:16.16 | Gnea | !locales |
| 21:16.16 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 21:16.27 | jcurry | Gnea, i can't find the debian bug report now, unfortunatly |
| 21:16.32 | Gnea | jcurry: you know what, i think i meant to ask ryanium about the kernel lol |
| 21:16.37 | Gnea | ryanium: which kernel? |
| 21:16.55 | ryanium | Gnea: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:17.12 | Firefishe | gotta go , forgot about my fiancee' and me having lunch..sheesh..bye for now :) |
| 21:17.14 | Gnea | ryanium: what output do you get from ndiswrapper -l ? |
| 21:17.15 | concept10 | touchdown!!!! |
| 21:17.31 | concept10 | whoops wrong channel |
| 21:17.32 | Firefishe | thanks Gnea, and ryanium, for the Help and the Humour...needed both today :) |
| 21:17.41 | Gnea | heh |
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| 21:17.47 | ryanium | Gnea: lsbcmnds driver present |
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| 21:18.11 | Gnea | ryanium: okay, and you're sure you got the proper winxp driver? |
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| 21:18.45 | ryanium | Gnea: Yeah went to the linksys site looked up model number and got the driver. |
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| 21:19.18 | Gnea | ryanium: when you load the driver, does the card light up? |
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| 21:19.58 | ryanium | Gnea: nope |
| 21:20.01 | antgel | hmm. iptables running on a box is blocking outgoing ssh. am confused as all tcp outbound is allowed. see http://channels.debian.net/paste/949. far end is stuck at SYN_RECV |
| 21:20.05 | Gnea | ryanium: what did you type to load it? |
| 21:20.16 | Gnea | ryanium: and what version of ndis? |
| 21:20.20 | antgel | (initiating end stuck at SYN_SENT) |
| 21:20.35 | ttick | cheal: thanks for the apt-secure link |
| 21:20.38 | dr1v3r | Gnea the extra bit at the end maybe something to do with installing all dependencies that the package requires to be installed for it to work? i am unsure, but i know its not auto-apt run, if that helps any more? |
| 21:20.41 | Gnea | antgel: so what's the problem? |
| 21:21.17 | Gnea | dr1v3r: i think someone sent you barking up the wrong tree, there is nothing that gets typed next on that line. |
| 21:21.43 | Gnea | antgel: if port 22 outgoing is broke, setup on another port |
| 21:21.43 | antgel | Gnea: problem is outgoing connections from this box are fucked. shh, http, you name it |
| 21:21.50 | antgel | s/shh/ssh |
| 21:22.00 | Gnea | antgel: so set ssh to another port |
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| 21:22.42 | antgel | Gnea: i don't see what you mean. i can't ssh _out_ of the box. |
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| 21:22.48 | Dark_AvengeR | hail |
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| 21:22.58 | Dark_AvengeR | people from belarus |
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| 21:23.24 | Gnea | ryanium: read this: http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/ |
| 21:23.33 | ryanium | Gnea: ok i will im trying another driver also, thx |
| 21:23.46 | Gnea | Dark_AvengeR: what's wrong with people from elsewhere? |
| 21:23.54 | Gnea | ryanium: np good luck |
| 21:24.04 | dr1v3r | if its not package something else, it maybe the package that has all dependencies in with it? i am not to sure, but there was deffinetly something i could type maybe it could be package.something else? |
| 21:24.25 | thc | huh? |
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| 21:24.40 | dr1v3r | sorry i am not giving much info but thats all i can remember Gnea |
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| 21:24.58 | Gnea | dr1v3r: just install the package and move on |
| 21:25.12 | Gnea | there's nothing more to be done |
| 21:25.16 | Gnea | it's as simple as that. |
| 21:25.45 | dr1v3r | i have installed it and configered it but what i installed is not working, this is why i am looking for this addition thing to try tht |
| 21:26.03 | antgel | Gnea: it's a uml box and can't run a stateful firewall, so i'm trying to hack an old iptables script of mine, but not very well :) |
| 21:26.23 | Gnea | antgel: oh geez, uml SUCKS! :) |
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| 21:26.31 | Gnea | antgel: xen > uml |
| 21:26.41 | Gnea | at least, conceptually |
| 21:26.41 | row | if I run pvcreate on a harddisk will it add whole disk even if their are already partitions on it, or do I need to remove the partitions first? |
| 21:27.04 | antgel | Gnea: but it provides a cheap box with good bandwidth enabling us to charge customers for meil filtering :) |
| 21:27.52 | Gnea | antgel: you're making money off of spammers? |
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| 21:28.20 | antgel | Gnea: um, no, we filter the spam _out_ of our customers meail |
| 21:28.30 | Gnea | antgel: oh nice :) |
| 21:28.31 | antgel | aah nuts, you know i can spell mail really |
| 21:28.36 | Gnea | lol |
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| 21:29.06 | agilman | hey, I just installed from a minimal CD |
| 21:29.15 | agilman | and I dont know how to startx |
| 21:29.21 | phar0z | type (as root) gdm |
| 21:29.29 | phar0z | or startx |
| 21:29.34 | ryanium | Gnea: I follow that guide exactly and when it says I should be able to type iwconfig and see a wlan0 I do not |
| 21:29.38 | |XO4| | did u try ./startx |
| 21:29.39 | antgel | phar0z: gdm? what a crock of shit |
| 21:29.43 | phar0z | euh |
| 21:30.00 | jcurry | Gnea, aha, found it: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=330843 |
| 21:30.02 | Dark_AvengeR | what? |
| 21:30.12 | agilman | startx gives me some errors |
| 21:30.19 | agilman | Im gonna download gdm |
| 21:30.21 | Gnea | agilman: use the pastebin |
| 21:30.24 | Gnea | !paste |
| 21:30.24 | dpkg | methinks paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 21:30.27 | antgel | agilman: aptitude install x-window-system-core. aptitude install a window manager. startx |
| 21:30.50 | ryanium | I got the options: lo, eth0, sit0, same ones as from ifconfig |
| 21:30.52 | agilman | Gnea Im on bitchx, I dont have GUI to browse the web... remember ;) |
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| 21:30.55 | antgel | agilman: if startx gives errors why do you think that using redundaant crap like gdm will help? |
| 21:30.59 | Gnea | !set up x |
| 21:30.59 | dpkg | somebody said set up x was First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
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| 21:31.02 | jcurry | Gnea, but i am all updated, my /etc/environment exists, but i still have the problem |
| 21:31.16 | Gnea | agilman: links? ;) |
| 21:31.24 | Dark_AvengeR | to -= Gnea =- hallo man! |
| 21:31.33 | tarzeau | agilman: links2 -g |
| 21:31.51 | agilman | ok, Im gonna try aptitude install x-windows-core |
| 21:31.57 | antgel | tarzeau: happy saturday! |
| 21:32.04 | tarzeau | antgel: same to you |
| 21:32.05 | jcurry | I get "Oct 22 17:03:18 [sshd] fatal: PAM: pam_setcred(): Permission denied", but i did create an /etc/environment file...what's wrong? I have an /etc/environment file per #330843, and i have the latest pam everything installed, but the problem will not go away |
| 21:32.05 | Gnea | Dark_AvengeR: typing 'Gnea: hallo man!' works too |
| 21:32.10 | tarzeau | antgel: you never play games? |
| 21:32.20 | Dark_AvengeR | welcome all whishes to irc.by |
| 21:32.30 | Dark_AvengeR | :-) |
| 21:32.39 | Dark_AvengeR | i know |
| 21:32.58 | antgel | tarzeau: i never have time. if i did i would only be playing football manager 2005 on pc and lots of stuff on gamecube (i'm a nintendo fanboy) |
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| 21:33.35 | tarzeau | antgel: check out http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 21:33.37 | agilman | apt-cache search x-windows-core returns nothing |
| 21:33.43 | Dark_AvengeR | he go to the bear |
| 21:33.46 | Dark_AvengeR | ) |
| 21:33.48 | tarzeau | agilman: x-window-system-core |
| 21:33.53 | Gnea | Dark_AvengeR: wtf are you talking about? |
| 21:33.56 | antgel | agilman: you're looking for the wrong thing. |
| 21:34.03 | dr1v3r | ok on apt-get install package, does that install the package completely? or will i have to type make and make install after? |
| 21:34.14 | agilman | thanks tarzeau |
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| 21:34.32 | jcurry | dr1v3r, nope, it installs a binary completely, uoi don't have to do anything else |
| 21:34.33 | antgel | tarzeau: that takes me back to when computing was fun! |
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| 21:34.47 | Dark_AvengeR | is there a fans of TRISTANIA |
| 21:34.54 | g0vner | when init starts does it run trough the /rc(id).d that is related to the run level you chose or it goes trough all the /rc(1-6).d available ? |
| 21:34.54 | tarzeau | antgel: this is FUN, with 10 dragons, same time! multiplayer tetris! pacman! lemmings! |
| 21:34.59 | tarzeau | antgel: it's crazy! |
| 21:35.04 | Gnea | Dark_AvengeR: no, wrong channel, probably wrong network too. |
| 21:35.04 | dr1v3r | thats what i thought but just to double check :D thank you |
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| 21:35.16 | Dark_AvengeR | :-) |
| 21:35.21 | Dark_AvengeR | can be |
| 21:35.22 | Gnea | Dark_AvengeR: type this: /server irc.efnet.net |
| 21:35.23 | g0vner | any one :)? |
| 21:35.33 | Dark_AvengeR | i'm here in first time |
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| 21:35.46 | Dark_AvengeR | ok |
| 21:35.46 | Gnea | Dark_AvengeR: so type that ^^^ |
| 21:35.50 | antgel | tarzeau: when i have a chance, we'll hook up on there. i have a cupboard with my 8/16-bit computer collection, gathering dust :( |
| 21:35.51 | Dark_AvengeR | :-) |
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| 21:36.00 | Gnea | Dark_AvengeR: it will take you someplace better |
| 21:36.02 | Starmaker | why doesn't any debian package install the netatalk UAM uams_dhx.so? |
| 21:36.11 | jcurry | I get "Oct 22 17:03:18 [sshd] fatal: PAM: pam_setcred(): Permission denied", but i did create an /etc/environment file...what's wrong? I have an /etc/environment file per #330843, and i have the latest pam everything installed, but the problem will not go away |
| 21:36.23 | Gnea | jcurry: dude, stop pasting every minute |
| 21:36.38 | Gnea | !tell jcurry about rules |
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| 21:38.42 | jcurry | Gnea, well, it's certainly not because i'm using an unsupported kernel |
| 21:38.50 | agilman | I think I screwed up while setting up x-window-system-core, how would I reinstall it? 'apt-get remove x-window-system-core purge' ? |
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| 21:39.12 | jcurry | agilman, just dpkg-reconfigure it |
| 21:39.28 | agilman | ahh, thanks jcurry |
| 21:39.32 | antgel | !tell agilman about drxx |
| 21:39.32 | Gnea | jcurry: you must've missed what i said then |
| 21:39.33 | jcurry | agilman, (dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system-core) |
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| 21:39.42 | antgel | jcurry: nyet |
| 21:39.49 | felix_mmbg | hi all |
| 21:40.25 | jcurry | antgel, he was asking about x-window-system-core, so i told him about x-window-system-core |
| 21:40.35 | jcurry | Gnea, i'm sorry, what was that? |
| 21:40.56 | antgel | jcurry: does that command you gave actually do anything? i thought that it was a meta package |
| 21:41.07 | felix_mmbg | does someone know about exim4 with sarge...switching uid and gui problems? |
| 21:41.17 | antgel | !tell felix_mmbg about vague |
| 21:41.55 | antgel | Starmaker: perhaps it's from an older/newer netatalk version? |
| 21:41.55 | cathper | uhm, the command line tool to schedule executions ... |
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| 21:42.09 | antgel | !tell cathper about cron |
| 21:42.13 | cathper | err, stupid memory |
| 21:42.15 | cathper | no |
| 21:42.17 | jcurry | antgel, you are right. my bad. |
| 21:42.30 | Starmaker | antgel, nah, i read on some webpage that it isn't shipped for some legal/patent/something-reason |
| 21:42.43 | jcurry | antgel, you understand that you should follow antgel's and dpkg's directions, right? |
| 21:42.45 | cathper | yeah, at! |
| 21:42.58 | achukito | Hi, anybody knows how to change the font and its size in emacs?? I see it too small... |
| 21:43.06 | antgel | jcurry: i alwayd follow my directions:P |
| 21:43.28 | jcurry | antgel, gah! |
| 21:43.31 | felix_mmbg | Hi all |
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| 21:43.40 | antgel | Starmaker: "some webpage" isn't much of a source for info, but it is quite possible. |
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| 21:44.09 | jcurry | antgel, but he left :( |
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| 21:44.12 | Starmaker | antgel, nope, of couse not, but he referred to another repository, which has a version that supplies the file |
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| 21:44.47 | antgel | Starmaker: fair enough if you're confident with backports. you could of course build netatalk :) |
| 21:44.59 | Starmaker | nah, too much work :) |
| 21:45.06 | antgel | Starmaker: s/backports/third party repos |
| 21:45.13 | Starmaker | and i am quite certain the file isn't depricated |
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| 21:45.24 | Starmaker | since it is the one recommended to use by the netatalk-guys |
| 21:45.53 | antgel | Starmaker: what does it do? nb if your workstations are os x, you can use samba :) |
| 21:45.59 | SimonRaven | Starmaker: what, 2.0.3? |
| 21:46.02 | Starmaker | samba sucks |
| 21:46.02 | Starmaker | :) |
| 21:46.08 | Starmaker | SimonRaven, yeah |
| 21:46.09 | ryanium | Gnea: followed the guide but still fail to get a light on my wireless card |
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| 21:46.34 | Starmaker | well, not samba as much as the whole SMB/CIFS protocol |
| 21:46.36 | antgel | Starmaker: actually, netatalk sucks. i have experience of both. actually, perhaps it's os 9 that sucks and makes me hate netatalk |
| 21:46.40 | SimonRaven | i always build netatalk here, to enable the DHX modules |
| 21:46.50 | ryanium | Gnea: anyway to know for sure my pcmcia is being read? |
| 21:46.53 | Starmaker | AFP is heaven compared to SMB |
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| 21:47.01 | SimonRaven | Starmaker: i have to agree |
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| 21:47.42 | antgel | i recently set up a samba server for some os x machines. it works fine. i wanted to use nfs but apparently os x needs a thrid party client to make it usable by those unlike us :_ |
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| 21:48.03 | Starmaker | antgel, yeah, but for OS X AFP is a much better protocol |
| 21:48.06 | Starmaker | better support |
| 21:48.12 | Starmaker | less stupidities |
| 21:48.15 | SimonRaven | only drwaback to afp is there's no linux clients |
| 21:48.33 | SimonRaven | there was one years ago, but it's ancient, like kernel 2.1 |
| 21:48.45 | Starmaker | SimonRaven, you sure? wouldn't that be like really easy to make one? |
| 21:48.50 | antgel | SimonRaven: i looked up those laptops you mentioned, pimbo or whatever. looked nice and clean, however going for _outrageous_ prices on ebay. bloody apple fanboys keeping price up :) |
| 21:48.55 | g0vner | hi |
| 21:49.01 | Starmaker | antgel, pismo :)) |
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| 21:49.04 | loocek | I need a client of dc++ which shows ping to every user for identified speed to him |
| 21:49.04 | SimonRaven | Starmaker: usre, but it hasn't really gotten anywhere |
| 21:49.14 | g0vner | Starmaker : can you help me?:) |
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| 21:49.24 | Starmaker | g0vner, with what? |
| 21:49.30 | g0vner | Starmaker : when init starts does it run trough the /rc(id).d that is related to the run level you chose or it goes trough all the /rc(1-6).d available ? |
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| 21:49.32 | antgel | SimonRaven: call it what you will |
| 21:49.41 | SimonRaven | antgel: that's stupid, bastids pumping the price... those things are old. (and yeh, pismo) |
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| 21:49.54 | Robiliard | Hello, I just downloaded the Debian 3.1 stable DVDs, but the installer cannot find the ethernet driver. I have a Via Networking Velocity Family Giga-bit Ethernet Adapter installed |
| 21:50.01 | achukito | anybody knows how to change the font and its size in emacs?? I see it too small... I have been looking for info on the web but I find nothing and emacs tutorial doesn't explain it |
| 21:50.06 | *** mode/#debian [+l 643] by debhelper |
| 21:50.10 | loocek | anybody ??? |
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| 21:50.34 | Starmaker | g0vner, well the standard runlevel is 2 but it boots in runlevel 1, so I'd guess that it first does the ones in rc1.d and then rc2.d |
| 21:50.53 | antgel | SimonRaven: it's a shame. spec looked good and i would have loved to swan around london with my windowmaker desktop and lied to the gullible hordes that it was a new sneak preview mac os |
| 21:51.05 | amphi | loocek: dc++ ? |
| 21:51.06 | varsendagger | anyone use gdesklets? |
| 21:51.13 | deefzi | any idea how could i disable the nasty sound coming from pc-beeper (without disconnecting the wire) when i i.e. press backspace on an empty terminal line? |
| 21:51.16 | antgel | !tell varsendagger about anyone |
| 21:51.16 | SimonRaven | antgel: hehehe, they're nice machines, that's why i recommended it |
| 21:51.28 | g0vner | Starmaker: so when it reaches the level you decided in inittab it stops there? |
| 21:51.42 | Starmaker | g0vner, it should, i think? |
| 21:51.44 | antgel | SimonRaven: you didn't tell me about the 40% "lifestyle tax" :D |
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| 21:51.49 | SimonRaven | antgel: rather upgradable too. i know someone who put a g4 in one |
| 21:51.53 | loocek | I mean client of direct connect .... |
| 21:52.01 | SimonRaven | antgel: yeh, sorry about :| |
| 21:52.04 | SimonRaven | that* |
| 21:52.09 | g0vner | Starmaker: thanks |
| 21:52.14 | antgel | SimonRaven: i would definitely take one if i saw it at a good price |
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| 21:52.23 | varsendagger | is gdesklets kickass or what? -i'm trying to get it to work... i think i've got everything going, just waiting for a download |
| 21:52.32 | SimonRaven | antgel: yes, definitely |
| 21:52.50 | cwagner | do I have the possiblity in debian to create a user with a predifined uid ? |
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| 21:52.53 | varsendagger | antgel: thanks |
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| 21:53.04 | amphi | varsendagger: it's 'kickass', and you don't have it working? ;) |
| 21:53.16 | loocek | amphi: I mean client of direct connect |
| 21:53.19 | varsendagger | not yeat |
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| 21:53.27 | antgel | SimonRaven: until then it looks like a dell latitude 610 (inspiron 6000 has better features but is heavier and i'm suck of lugging laptops around) |
| 21:53.27 | amphi | loocek: I know nothing about it |
| 21:53.34 | antgel | s/suck/sick |
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| 21:53.49 | antgel | my typing does suck, and that's no typo |
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| 21:54.08 | SimonRaven | antgel: no doubt about the faetures, but those things are old. pretty damned advanced for their time |
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| 21:54.14 | SimonRaven | fea* |
| 21:54.26 | tvn | ac3: shift + left mouse click on emacs x window |
| 21:54.39 | antgel | SimonRaven: you went to the same typing school as me, i see |
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| 21:54.48 | SimonRaven | yup =) |
| 21:54.55 | SimonRaven | self-taught ;) |
| 21:54.57 | tvn | achukito: shift + left mouse click on emacs x window |
| 21:55.02 | antgel | likewise |
| 21:55.07 | SimonRaven | libapache-mod-dosevasive # when's the v2 version coming out ? :) |
| 21:55.29 | antgel | SimonRaven: at least if linux vanishes one day we can all get secretaarial work |
| 21:55.33 | varsendagger | amphi: are there gdesklets in apt-get, i am asking because i couldn't find a devinitive guide to install gdesklets from .tar.gz |
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| 21:55.38 | SimonRaven | hehe |
| 21:55.43 | antgel | i blame the double 'a' on vnc |
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| 21:57.02 | ryanium | Can someone help me w/ setting up my wireless internet? |
| 21:57.07 | achukito | tvn I don't understand how you know that but it works! Thank you very much, my eyes thank you too :P |
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| 21:57.18 | antgel | ryanium: you can help yourself and when you have issues, tell us |
| 21:57.20 | SimonRaven | trying to write a script to make virtual host accounts in ldap, and create vhost confs for apache; so far ok, but having a bit of a time making the files |
| 21:57.22 | amphi | varsendagger: no idea - ask apt-cache |
| 21:57.35 | antgel | ldap = eek |
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| 21:57.47 | Alphix | git bisect rocks |
| 21:57.50 | tvn | achukito: you're welcome |
| 21:58.16 | ryanium | ok, I followed http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/wpc54g/ guide and i still have no luck. |
| 21:58.24 | scottder | Hey all....I am trying to install exim on a host...hits the config portion of exim and I get "Hangup" and am returned to prompt and my ssh freezes |
| 21:58.29 | ryanium | I cannot even get my wireless card to light up to show its getting power. |
| 21:58.40 | amphi | varsendagger: apt-cache shows gdesklets & gdesklets-data here (sarge), FWIW |
| 21:58.55 | antgel | ryanium: more detail. spare nothing |
| 21:59.27 | varsendagger | allright, how did you install the little gdesklets? |
| 21:59.35 | antgel | ryanium: have you installed drivers? is it an ndiswrapper job? |
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| 21:59.46 | amphi | varsendagger: I haven't |
| 21:59.57 | ryanium | yes antgel i have installed the drivers i downloaded from the linksys website for my model number |
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| 22:00.09 | ryanium | and it shows them loaded |
| 22:00.17 | antgel | ryanium: what shows them loaded? |
| 22:00.21 | amphi | varsendagger: "gdesklets-data - displays and sensors for gdesklets" - is that what you mean? |
| 22:00.23 | ryanium | ndiswrapper -l |
| 22:00.28 | antgel | ryanium: is it an ndiswrapper job? |
| 22:00.38 | ryanium | antgel: yes |
| 22:00.44 | p3rti | hi |
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| 22:00.55 | antgel | ryanium: so i see :) you sure the hardware is good? |
| 22:01.20 | ryanium | yes, the laptop had win2k on it before debian and it worked fine |
| 22:01.29 | ryanium | just bought it yesterday :) |
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| 22:02.03 | antgel | ryanium: hmm. ndiswrapper usually works really well for such a kludge. is it a pcmcia card? |
| 22:02.10 | ryanium | antgel: yes |
| 22:02.27 | antgel | ryanium: have you been through diagnostics at the pcmcia layer? |
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| 22:02.52 | ryanium | antgel: no |
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| 22:03.14 | varsendagger | amphi: i want to set up the xmms gdesklet, and the sudoku gdesklet, i have the files but i am not sure where to put them |
| 22:03.21 | ajdlinux | does anyone know how to make custom sarge discs without an internet connection |
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| 22:03.25 | antgel | ryanium: investigate that. if the pcmcia layer isn't set up, the driver will never see the card |
| 22:03.26 | amphi | varsendagger: nor I |
| 22:03.46 | amphi | varsendagger: is gdesklets the new mouse wheel? ;) |
| 22:03.53 | ajdlinux | also how do you use apt-move |
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| 22:04.04 | antgel | ajdlinux: man apt-move? |
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| 22:04.12 | ryanium | antgel: if i lspci -v I get, Network controller: Texas Instrument ACX 111 54MBps Wireless Interface, Subsystem: Linksys: Unknown device 0033 |
| 22:04.13 | varsendagger | what do you mean by that? |
| 22:04.13 | ajdlinux | tried man apt-move |
| 22:04.20 | ajdlinux | does't explain anything |
| 22:04.27 | ryanium | antgel: if I remove the card it no longer shows up, so shouldn't that say thhe pcmcia slots are working? |
| 22:05.03 | ajdlinux | i ran apt-move and it just sits there reading *something* from somewhere |
| 22:05.16 | antgel | ryanium: means nothing to me. i don't know anything about pcmcia. i do know that it's not pci. i'm sure that there are pcmcia apps to diagnose these things. |
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| 22:05.44 | antgel | ryanium: apt-cache show pcmcia-cs |
| 22:05.45 | scottder | Hey all....I am trying to install exim on a host...hits the config portion of exim and I get "Hangup" and am returned to prompt and my ssh freezes |
| 22:05.48 | varsendagger | anyway i think it is on it's way |
| 22:06.03 | varsendagger | apt-get is so freeking handy |
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| 22:06.15 | ryanium | antgel: i have it |
| 22:06.18 | varsendagger | no wonder debian useres are so fanatical |
| 22:06.22 | ajdlinux | apt-get is only useful with a net connection |
| 22:06.22 | alexweb | hello! |
| 22:06.38 | varsendagger | true that |
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| 22:06.47 | Starmaker | varsendagger, not more fantaical than mac users :) |
| 22:06.51 | alexweb | please help me to install debian first time |
| 22:06.57 | amphi | ajdlinux: works ok with cds too ;) |
| 22:06.58 | varsendagger | that is true |
| 22:07.08 | Ronin | alexweb: burn iso, put in cd drive, reboot computer |
| 22:07.08 | juanja | Hi there.... |
| 22:07.10 | ajdlinux | amphi: what works/\ |
| 22:07.11 | antgel | ryanium: and have you used whatever apps it provides? |
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| 22:07.20 | amphi | ajdlinux: apt-get |
| 22:07.29 | andisoftman | can anyone help me with an automake problem , whenever i use aclocal it says it cant find AM_ENABLE_SHARED and AM_PROG_LIBTOOL, anyone had this before? |
| 22:07.33 | ajdlinux | amphi: yes... |
| 22:07.37 | alexweb | I have sid, but... |
| 22:07.37 | tvn | ajdlinux: no you can use it to get packages from local network or media such as cd either |
| 22:07.40 | amphi | alexweb: and do linux26 probably |
| 22:07.43 | scottder | Grrrr this is annoying |
| 22:07.47 | ajdlinux | tvn: yes |
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| 22:07.53 | antgel | !tell alexweb about grounding |
| 22:07.53 | Ronin | alexweb: you ever run debian or linux before? |
| 22:07.57 | juanja | Got a .run.gz file...I uncompressed with gunzip blahblah.run.gz and it leaves a blahblah.run |
| 22:08.00 | scottder | I can understand if apt-get fails...but why does my SSH hang? |
| 22:08.03 | ryanium | antgel: yes |
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| 22:08.12 | juanja | Don't know how to proceed with a .run file... |
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| 22:08.19 | SimonRaven | !run |
| 22:08.27 | tvn | juanja: sh .run |
| 22:08.32 | ajdlinux | juanja: chmod 755 blahblah.run && ./blahblah.run |
| 22:08.33 | alexweb | for some reasons after passing few steps it will show me ash |
| 22:08.36 | SimonRaven | basically |
| 22:08.38 | juanja | sh blahblah.run? |
| 22:08.41 | andisoftman | juanja: try typing ./nameoffile.run |
| 22:08.48 | alexweb | and the I don't know what to do |
| 22:08.54 | antgel | ryanium: i have nothing more. you may wish to try d-l |
| 22:08.58 | juanja | and then? |
| 22:09.05 | ryanium | antgel: d-l? lol |
| 22:09.13 | Ronin | alexweb: start by answering my question about if youve ran debian or linux ever before |
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| 22:09.47 | alexweb | I've run linux before, not debian (asplinux, fedora) |
| 22:10.05 | flogiston | hi. Is it possible to use the wrap workspace function in gnome? |
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| 22:10.21 | Ronin | alexweb: in that case forget sid and go get sarge/stable or maybe etch/testing sid is for the ubber geeks and not us mere mortals |
| 22:10.33 | scottder | Anyone have any ideas...the hose has limited memory... |
| 22:10.34 | alexweb | I can't |
| 22:10.36 | scottder | host |
| 22:10.40 | Ronin | alexweb: why cant you? |
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| 22:10.54 | flogiston | no? |
| 22:10.55 | alexweb | I can't download any other |
| 22:11.01 | Ronin | alexweb: why not? |
| 22:11.09 | ajdlinux | how do you make custom cds without a net connection |
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| 22:11.22 | alexweb | I HAVE sid and whant to know if i can install it |
| 22:11.24 | juanja | andisoftman, ajdlinux, tvn: I typed ./blahblah.run and it delivers an immensely scroll of lines on the screeen...don't know where the h**ll the executable is.... |
| 22:11.28 | r3gii | q |
| 22:11.31 | flogiston | hi. Is it possible to use the wrap workspace function in gnome? |
| 22:11.47 | ajdlinux | juanja: what program is it again? |
| 22:11.48 | antgel | alexweb: if you're new to debian, please don't install sid |
| 22:11.51 | Ronin | alexweb: like i said unless youre REALLY fucking good dont run sid, go get sarge or etch |
| 22:11.56 | juanja | ajdlinux: wings3d |
| 22:12.02 | Starmaker | flogiston, stop spamming |
| 22:12.09 | flogiston | Sorry then. |
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| 22:12.29 | alexweb | Ronin: I'm not in USA and don't have big internet channel |
| 22:12.33 | ajdlinux | juanja: looking up the website now... |
| 22:12.35 | tvn | juanja: keep pressing Enter ... |
| 22:12.42 | alexweb | so I have to play with sid |
| 22:12.45 | dondelelcaro | flogiston: that's a function of your window manager, not gnome. |
| 22:12.47 | juanja | yeah, it is the linux download of wings3d |
| 22:13.00 | alexweb | why it push me into ash |
| 22:13.00 | flogiston | I used it in fluxbox. |
| 22:13.01 | antgel | alexweb: order a cd set by post |
| 22:13.01 | alexweb | & |
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| 22:13.14 | Ronin | alexweb: no you dont, trust me for your sake and ours go get sarge, etch, get someone to dl it for or go buy it |
| 22:13.23 | daxxar | Hmm. Is unstable being, eh, less hiccupy due to the influx of gcc-4? |
| 22:13.31 | dondelelcaro | flogiston: so use fluxbox as your mindow manager, and turn it on there. |
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| 22:13.38 | Ronin | youve already shown your not ready for sid and i honestly dont mean that as an insult |
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| 22:13.48 | dondelelcaro | daxxar: I've no clue what you mean by "hiccupy" |
| 22:14.00 | ajdlinux | juanja: just ./wings3d.run and keep pressing enter |
| 22:14.00 | flogiston | can i run gnome with fluxbox as wm? |
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| 22:14.24 | dondelelcaro | flogiston: presumably, yes. |
| 22:14.30 | daxxar | dondelelcaro, there were some warnings to dist-upgrade when running unstable after the adding of gcc4, for the time of, eh, porting (?). So I'm wondering if it's safer now. ;) |
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| 22:14.37 | alexweb | Guys, if I can to download/buy another debian I don't ask for help here |
| 22:14.38 | flogiston | Tell me how. I've tried. |
| 22:14.40 | ajdlinux | does anyone know how to make custom sarge discs without an internet connection |
| 22:14.51 | dondelelcaro | flogiston: run fluxbox, then run whatever bits of gnome you actually want to run |
| 22:14.57 | antgel | alexweb: if you run unstable you are unlikely to get support here |
| 22:15.03 | ajdlinux | alexweb: why did you get sid anyway? |
| 22:15.26 | alexweb | I get it from my friend |
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| 22:15.29 | SimonRaven | by the time you finish downloading the cd, you have to update... |
| 22:15.38 | Ronin | alexweb: get your friend then to dl stable |
| 22:15.47 | ajdlinux | alexweb: ask your friend for sarge |
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| 22:16.22 | metaperl | man, audacity rocks so hard. |
| 22:16.24 | alexweb | It seems I lose my time and yours here. As I told I can't get another debian |
| 22:16.33 | ajdlinux | where did alexweb's friend get sid anyway? when i checked, the jigdo files weren't online |
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| 22:16.47 | catlee | Good evening |
| 22:16.57 | Ronin | alexweb: sure you can, get your friend to dl stable for you, go buy it from places like cheapbites, sid is NOT for new folks |
| 22:17.25 | pem3v78 | I'm using apache2. The server puts apache info / os info inside every reponse ("Server:" header and inside error response body). Can I get rid of by configuring it ? |
| 22:17.37 | ajdlinux | alexweb: I've tried using sid stuff before: it breaks everything... |
| 22:17.53 | SimonRaven | better to have the sarge cd anyway, has features that aren't going to break when you install onto a new box 6 months from now |
| 22:18.07 | Ronin | alexweb: sid is called unstable for a reason,if you cant get past this first problem you shouldnt run sid |
| 22:18.08 | ajdlinux | alexweb: and buying a set of 3.1 only costs a few dollars |
| 22:18.13 | catlee | Nothing to do with debian necessarly...But where do people here buy their music? I don't have a windows box, and it seems like all the online music stores require windows media player or some custom software to purchase music and transfer it to an MP3 player |
| 22:18.15 | juanja | ajdlinux; upon decompressing the immense scroll of lines tells me <every file>: the mark of time 2005-03-23 is 162308793 in the future...and so on with all the huge list of files....after that....the prompt. |
| 22:18.22 | alexweb | I can get stable only if YOU buy it for me. Now you understand? Its to much for my poor english to explore why I can't get another |
| 22:18.42 | ajdlinux | juanja: so try running 'wings3d' |
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| 22:19.08 | dondelelcaro | alexweb: well, you're going to waste your time and our time using unstable. If you got one cd, you can get another. If not, get someone to ship you an ubuntu cd for free. |
| 22:19.08 | juanja | ajdlinux: wings3d: command not found |
| 22:19.10 | daxxar | juanja, your systems time is wrong, or is skewed compared to whoever made it. :) |
| 22:19.20 | tvn | catlee: I have an old box running Windows and use whatever is better on Windows on that box |
| 22:19.24 | juanja | daxxar....you may be right... |
| 22:19.25 | Alphix | pem3v78: search google...."apache change server header"...third hit, suggests "ServerTokens Prod" to limit it to Server: Apache |
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| 22:19.28 | Ronin | dondelelcaro: suggesting ubuntu? |
| 22:19.30 | dondelelcaro | alexweb: or go to your local LUG or Debian Users Group and get a stable cd. |
| 22:19.38 | Ronin | actually i see where your coming from |
| 22:19.46 | ajdlinux | juanja: run the wings3d installer and redirect the output to a file |
| 22:19.51 | confusion | heya can any 1 help me ? |
| 22:19.54 | juanja | the time system is wrong....but what has it got to do with the fact of a program runs or not? |
| 22:20.01 | Alphix | alexweb: order a free Ubuntu CD |
| 22:20.03 | daxxar | juanja, but those warnings do not hinder or change the extraction in a way that would prevent you from getting the files out of it. :) |
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| 22:20.08 | ajdlinux | juanja: then grep through it for /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin |
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| 22:20.30 | daxxar | juanja, they are only warnings presented to you by tar because it believes something is wrong; it does not stop or alter extraction. |
| 22:20.47 | ajdlinux | does anyone know how to make custom sarge discs without an internet connection |
| 22:20.52 | daxxar | juanja, so except for making your extraction a bit unreadable by spamming you, it shouldn't be any problem. |
| 22:20.54 | amphi | alexweb: is .ua near you? |
| 22:21.02 | confusion | heya people if`ve gotta problem my teamspeak won`t work means: i can`t hear or say nothin ^^ |
| 22:21.24 | alexweb | amphi: yes near |
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| 22:21.46 | amphi | alexweb: then this is of use? http://www.us.debian.org/CD/vendors/#ua |
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| 22:22.12 | alexweb | OK. thanks for all for answers, Buy |
| 22:22.18 | alexweb | bye |
| 22:22.31 | amphi | alexweb: I managed to get debian cds shipped from Mumbai to Kathmandu... ;) |
| 22:22.36 | Ronin | i dont see that ending well at all for them |
| 22:22.48 | ajdlinux | bye |
| 22:23.10 | dli__ | amphi, do they have high speed internet in kathmandu? |
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| 22:23.47 | Ronin | im seriously impressed they have any internet there at all dli__ |
| 22:23.59 | brosioz | how could i installa azureus on my debian |
| 22:24.01 | brosioz | apt require |
| 22:24.05 | brosioz | sun-j2re1.5 |
| 22:24.07 | amphi | dli__: for small values of 'high speed' ;) |
| 22:24.19 | brosioz | i have java |
| 22:24.21 | antgel | brosioz: you could start by reading the /topic |
| 22:24.26 | confusion | heya people if`ve gotta problem my teamspeak won`t work means: i can`t hear or say nothin ^^ |
| 22:24.27 | brosioz | but i've install manualli |
| 22:24.27 | antgel | doh |
| 22:24.37 | SimonRaven | nappy time |
| 22:24.40 | amphi | dli__: mind you, I have been away from .np for a year, so it may have improved |
| 22:25.00 | dli__ | Ronin, why not? it's might be a long way for a cable, but it's among the closest to the sky |
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| 22:25.12 | Ronin | dli__: heh good point :) |
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| 22:25.36 | amphi | brosioz: http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
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| 22:25.55 | confusion | no 1 can help ? |
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| 22:26.04 | bonez41 | how does one make a linux box visible on LAN to a WindowsXP box? |
| 22:26.06 | dli__ | amphi, hehe, does debian support their language? |
| 22:26.08 | antgel | confusion: your question isn't valid english |
| 22:26.19 | antgel | bonez41: to do what? |
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| 22:26.52 | confusion | heya people if`ve gotta problem my teamspeak won`t work means: i can`t hear or say nothin in team speak what i can to to say or hear something^^ |
| 22:26.57 | bonez41 | antgel, to print to printer attached to linux box..... |
| 22:27.05 | dli__ | bonez41, ssh shell or samba file sharing? |
| 22:27.08 | antgel | !tell bonez41 about samba |
| 22:27.30 | gr8ron | bonez41: you need to install some samba packages and maybe swat for easier configuration |
| 22:27.44 | antgel | gr8ron: samba config is a piece of piss |
| 22:27.44 | juanja | ajdlinux: no wings3d executable in /usr/bin nor /usr/local/bin. How do I set the right date in the system typing 'date'...and arguments? |
| 22:27.57 | antgel | juanja: man date |
| 22:28.02 | chealer | swat hardly makes samba configuration easier |
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| 22:28.17 | confusion | heya people if`ve gotta problem my teamspeak won`t work means: i can`t hear or say nothin in team speak what i can do to say or hear something^^ |
| 22:28.19 | juanja | ...just the installer not to spam me...as daxxar told |
| 22:28.27 | gr8ron | chealer: for me it did :) |
| 22:28.34 | antgel | confusion: either talk sense or shut up |
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| 22:28.53 | antgel | the samba 3 manual is an amazing bit of work |
| 22:28.55 | dli__ | juanja, or use some gui tools to do that, for n00bs, gnome, kde are both good |
| 22:28.56 | daxxar | juanja, you should look at 'ntpdate' or something similar, to update time against a remote server. :) |
| 22:29.02 | confusion | then help me due i haven o idea what i can do |
| 22:29.05 | confusion | +d |
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| 22:29.15 | amphi | dli__: you can get X to do devanagari, dunno about console |
| 22:29.15 | antgel | confusion: talk english not engrish |
| 22:29.24 | confusion | i try to talk english |
| 22:29.39 | antgel | confusion: not good enough. what is your native language? |
| 22:29.42 | gr8ron | antgel: i didnt read any manuals when i set up samba using swat |
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| 22:29.48 | confusion | german |
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| 22:29.56 | dli__ | amphi, great enough :) |
| 22:30.00 | confusion | ^^ |
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| 22:30.07 | Juano | hi |
| 22:30.08 | antgel | gr8ron: precisely. swat is probably good for people who can't be bothered to read the manual |
| 22:30.16 | confusion | but i think my english is good enough |
| 22:30.20 | antgel | !tell confusion about de |
| 22:30.22 | gr8ron | antgel: yep :) |
| 22:30.23 | juanja | antgel: man date tells -s <string> for establishing the system date. What is 'string'? The output returned from simply typing 'date'? |
| 22:30.24 | chealer | !ooo |
| 22:30.25 | dpkg | hmm... ooo is OpenOffice.org a Office suite on par with M$ stuff see also abiword and OpenOffice.org, or http://www.apt-get.org/search.php?query=openoffice |
| 22:30.25 | Juano | no creo pancho |
| 22:30.28 | confusion | to understand my problem |
| 22:30.35 | Juano | vos sos un gordo bueno |
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| 22:30.40 | chealer | dpkg: no, ooo is <reply> see openoffice.org |
| 22:30.40 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 22:30.43 | chealer | !ooo |
| 22:30.43 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 beta is packaged in experimental as openoffice.org2. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 22:30.47 | dli__ | juanja, why not set it in gnome or kde? |
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| 22:30.51 | chealer | dpkg: no, openoffice.org is an LGPL office productivity suite based upon Sun's StarOffice. OpenOffice.org 2 is in unstable. See #debian-oo #openoffice.org http://openoffice.debian.net or http://www.openoffice.org |
| 22:30.52 | dpkg | chealer: okay |
| 22:31.04 | antgel | confusion: if your english was good enough, somebody would have answered you in the several times that you have repeated it |
| 22:31.11 | amphi | dli__: I came across a hangul term for console, haven't looked for devanagari - .np can freeload of the devs in .in generally ;) |
| 22:31.21 | confusion | i ask aganin okay |
| 22:31.24 | juanja | dli__: I run blackbox...and happy with it....just to use wings3d I don't see the necessity of installing KDE....you surely agree with me... |
| 22:31.31 | antgel | confusion: NO. |
| 22:31.33 | Juano | alguna chichi? |
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| 22:31.47 | dli__ | juanja, then, find a gui tool for date |
| 22:31.48 | Juano | chichi maruja, te toca la granuja |
| 22:31.51 | confusion | my team speak wonna work i just can`t hear somthing or talk to other people and i wann know how i can fix it |
| 22:32.02 | antgel | *plonk* |
| 22:32.07 | confusion | too late ^^ |
| 22:32.18 | dli__ | juanja, if you are serious, apt-get install ntpdate ntp-simple |
| 22:32.22 | Ronin | what the hecks teamspeak anyhow? |
| 22:32.22 | juanja | The point is: the wings3d spams me upon installation 'cos the date of my system is wrong. Ok....so let's fix that. This way I can track where the uncompressed files are written.... |
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| 22:32.41 | MickMcMack | Is there an easy way to check if my audio hardware has been picked up? |
| 22:32.50 | antgel | MickMcMack: play a sound file |
| 22:32.55 | pearl | can openoffice.org replace photoshop for building presentations? |
| 22:32.56 | Ronin | MickMcMack: play something |
| 22:33.03 | juanja | dli__: I will go for the apt-get install stuff.... |
| 22:33.11 | antgel | pearl: www.openoffice.org |
| 22:33.15 | juanja | ...I am still apt-get update-ing... |
| 22:33.24 | pearl | antgel: i ask not fot the url |
| 22:33.29 | MickMcMack | I have done, no sound. |
| 22:33.45 | pearl | MickMcMack: apt-get install aumix |
| 22:33.54 | pearl | run aumix, fade all of maximum |
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| 22:34.07 | antgel | pearl: perhaps if you looks at the url you will find out all about the capabilities of OOo |
| 22:34.08 | pearl | install esound |
| 22:34.33 | dli__ | juanja, anyway, if time is not correct, try "/etc/init.d/ntp-server stop;ntpdate pool.ntp.org;/etc/init.d/ntp-server start" |
| 22:34.39 | juanja | dli__: I apt-get installed ntpdate ntp-simple...now...what? |
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| 22:34.55 | juanja | Oh...sorry dli__...you were faster.. |
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| 22:35.24 | bonez41 | dli_, I have samba, swat, smb all that installed....but I think I didn't have smbpasswd run....I am going to retry it now.... |
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| 22:35.42 | bonez41 | dli_, I want to access the network printer....from winxp , which is wired to my linux box.. |
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| 22:35.52 | Tsueg | question: can you install debian over FTP like you can with FreeBSD ?\ |
| 22:35.57 | dr1v3r | anyone know of any place i can get help on bopm starting problems? i have check blitzed website but nothing on teher about the problem i have :( |
| 22:36.01 | dli__ | juanja, to save your system time, now run, "hwclock --systohc" |
| 22:36.08 | antgel | pearl: why the fuck should he install esound/ |
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| 22:36.20 | Starmaker | can I make my debian box resolve mDNS-addresses? |
| 22:36.29 | antgel | Tsueg: please look at the install guide |
| 22:36.40 | antgel | !tell Tsueg about ig |
| 22:36.53 | antgel | Starmaker: aptitude install mdnsresponder |
| 22:37.06 | dli__ | Starmaker, if you just want simple IP translation, not real dns, put them in /etc/hosts |
| 22:37.14 | Tsueg | antgel, yes. i did not note any FTP install methods there. ithought i might have missed soemthing. i'll take a second look |
| 22:37.28 | juanja | dli__: you RULE XXDDDD Problem solved....time stablished....let's go now for the wings3d stuff... |
| 22:37.32 | antgel | bonez41: you need to configure samba. please rtm |
| 22:37.48 | bonez41 | antgel, thanks, I will...sorry to have bugged ya |
| 22:37.58 | antgel | bonez41: also, you do _not_ need swat and it may hamper your understanding |
| 22:38.03 | Starmaker | antgel, i already have mdnsresponder |
| 22:38.26 | Starmaker | but that alone doesn't make it resolve the adresses |
| 22:38.46 | antgel | Starmaker: that's all i know. i find that shit so arcane :/ all i know is that i needed it to get a netatalk box to work with os x |
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| 22:39.00 | dli__ | Starmaker, I don't know what mDNS is, but for a dns server, "apt-get install bind9" |
| 22:39.01 | Tsueg | here we go. that worked. thank's antgel |
| 22:39.05 | MickMcMack | pearl, I installed and set up aumix, installed esound, still nothing. |
| 22:39.10 | juanja | dli__: PERFECT. Installer didn't spam me, so I tracked clearly where the executable is. Now it works... |
| 22:39.19 | antgel | Tsueg: if you're new to debian, msg dpkg grounding |
| 22:39.31 | juanja | dli__: Happy Debianing.....Greetings, Juan. Madrid (Spain) |
| 22:39.36 | Starmaker | dli_, yeah, I too know what a DNS server is, but mDNS is MUCH cooler :) it's a part of the ZeroConf |
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| 22:39.59 | Starmaker | all the computers on a network does automatic service discovery |
| 22:40.07 | dli__ | juanja, how come? I thought juan was a Chinese of Native American name |
| 22:40.11 | Starmaker | and automaticlly discovers each other |
| 22:40.24 | dli__ | Starmaker, then, forgive my ignorance |
| 22:40.28 | antgel | Starmaker: why do mac people think that their arcane shit with rubbish names is cool? :P |
| 22:40.41 | Starmaker | antgel, ZeroConf isn't arcane |
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| 22:40.56 | antgel | Starmaker: mdns is :) |
| 22:41.10 | Starmaker | nah :) |
| 22:41.24 | juanja | dli__: XXXXDDDD HAAHA, ...Juan is a rather Spanish name.....Chinese??? :-0 My friends and family gonna die laughing..... |
| 22:41.24 | TriKster-Abacus | hi |
| 22:41.29 | Starmaker | it works great on mac os x computers :) |
| 22:41.44 | juanja | dli__: Fine guy you are...and proficient!!! I admire you! |
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| 22:41.52 | Starmaker | dli_, juan is the spanish name for john, i believe |
| 22:41.56 | Alphix | as does anything apple created ;) |
| 22:42.02 | Starmaker | :) |
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| 22:42.07 | sussudio | juan wangggg |
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| 22:42.19 | MickMcMack | Does anyone know offhand if there are any issues with karajan audio chips and debian? |
| 22:42.21 | cees | hi How can I compile OOO2 |
| 22:42.23 | dli__ | juanja, cool, I knew it in Chinese, Native American, now, plus Spanish :) |
| 22:42.25 | juanja | Starmaker: Yah, John=Juan=Ian=Giovanni |
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| 22:42.49 | juanja | dli__: Even Juan=Sean, in scottish |
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| 22:42.57 | dli__ | Starmaker, in Chinese, it's a given name for girls |
| 22:43.03 | Starmaker | and Johannes, in swedish :) |
| 22:43.13 | juanja | Yah, in chinese I think is Yoan. |
| 22:43.15 | Adiy | and Ion in Romanian |
| 22:43.17 | Starmaker | and Johan |
| 22:43.21 | juanja | Correct me if I am wrong. |
| 22:43.31 | dli__ | juanja, how come? I'm Chinese :( |
| 22:43.33 | juanja | And right, it is for girls. |
| 22:43.45 | amphi | cees: over much time |
| 22:43.51 | juanja | XXXDDD :-O :-0....what? |
| 22:43.52 | Adiy | :)) |
| 22:43.58 | Starmaker | dli_, wouldn't Juan be a very stange transliteration? |
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| 22:44.06 | juanja | dli__: Youre cool freak...!!! |
| 22:44.11 | antgel | dli__: how do chinese people type chinese, what with all the characters? |
| 22:44.17 | dli__ | Adiy, I like "Ion", sounds professional, chemical? |
| 22:44.20 | juanja | dli__: where are you from? |
| 22:44.22 | Starmaker | :) |
| 22:44.28 | Adiy | :D |
| 22:44.32 | cees | yeah, but dont know what more the bootstratp |
| 22:44.34 | Adiy | no .. :D |
| 22:44.36 | dli__ | antgel, apt-get install scim chinput fcitx |
| 22:44.45 | Adiy | just that name :P |
| 22:44.57 | dli__ | juanja, small village in southwest of China |
| 22:45.21 | antgel | dli__: um, i don't want to do it, just looking for an overview of how it works :) |
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| 22:45.34 | juanja | dli__: Do you live in China or somewhere else? (Just guessing) |
| 22:45.38 | juanja | I live in Madrid. |
| 22:45.39 | dli__ | antgel, scim is widely supported, but I personally use fcitx |
| 22:46.03 | Starmaker | dli__, you're proxying, then ;) |
| 22:46.16 | dli__ | juanja, now? you can see my IP, it's from Chicago, still, the first three letters are the same |
| 22:46.25 | antgel | dli__: you're missing my point. your languages have thousands of characters, no? a keyboard doesn't have thousands of keys |
| 22:46.41 | cees | I did ./configure in config_office and dont know what more |
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| 22:46.53 | dli__ | Starmaker, I think the Communist government is working hard to stop all proxying out of China |
| 22:46.58 | juanja | dli__: Sorry, I didn't check it out....your IP I mean.... |
| 22:47.01 | cees | make dont work |
| 22:47.13 | Starmaker | yeah, you'd guess |
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| 22:47.26 | dli__ | antgel, right, the solution, "apt-get install scim chinput fcitx", either can do it |
| 22:47.42 | Starmaker | but unless they stop connections to all non-chinese computers they're gonna have a hard time doing that |
| 22:47.52 | antgel | dli__: forget it. i'll go google. i'm just wondering _how_ it does it |
| 22:48.07 | juanja | dli__: About the conversation with Starmaker....is it real -- the proxiing of China towards the outside? I am not into it...but got surprised when I first heared of it... |
| 22:48.09 | dli__ | antgel, let me restart xchat in zh_CN, I can type in Chinese here |
| 22:48.11 | Starmaker | there are so many windows computers out there that one can exploit for a proxy :) |
| 22:48.20 | MickMcMack | No? :( |
| 22:48.26 | Alphix | antgel: with 10 different compose keys? :) |
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| 22:48.49 | antgel | Alphix: is that a joke? |
| 22:49.02 | Starmaker | dli_, what he means is how does your keyboard look |
| 22:49.13 | dli__ | juanja, most popular news, political, many science websites are blocked by the government, so, you may understand how evil proxying is labelled in China |
| 22:49.24 | antgel | Starmaker: and how he uses it |
| 22:49.28 | Starmaker | yeah |
| 22:49.37 | Alphix | antgel: just thinking loud....either 10 compose keys...or other key combinations...much like I typed ant<tab> in the beginning of this line....guessing |
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| 22:50.02 | Starmaker | a simple guess would be entering radicals using transliterations or something? |
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| 22:50.32 | antgel | Starmaker: and a complicated guess? |
| 22:50.39 | dli | antgel, yes, xchat supports XIM, and I can easily type in Chinese£¬ÄãºÃ |
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| 22:50.42 | MickMcMack | Does anyone have any ideas on how I could fix my sound problem? |
| 22:50.56 | Starmaker | antgel, transliterating the whole word :) |
| 22:51.29 | antgel | dli: that b0rks my screen. not here please. |
| 22:52.03 | Starmaker | dli, yeah, but what we are talking about is how you use xim, how do you input chinese characters |
| 22:52.17 | antgel | !xim |
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| 22:52.45 | dli | Starmaker, many ways, indeed, it's much faster to type Chinese |
| 22:52.45 | juanja | dli__: It is incredible....in 21st century...that a goverment tracks the citizen's habit with the internet.....what will be the following? |
| 22:53.10 | dli | juanja, that's why there are projects like freenet, gnunet, i2p |
| 22:53.14 | Starmaker | dli, yeah, but how do you do it, do you use transliterations, or what? |
| 22:53.29 | dli | MickMcMack, what's your sound card? |
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| 22:53.45 | MickMcMack | dli, a Karajan sound chip from a DFI Lanparty motherboard. |
| 22:54.03 | juanja | dli__: Do they escape from the government control, or something like that? I am not very into it, so just asking... |
| 22:54.03 | antgel | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_input |
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| 22:54.19 | dli | Starmaker, no, I can choose input methods in scim, dozens of them, I use the easist for me, the PinYin |
| 22:54.33 | dli | MickMcMack, which kernel? |
| 22:54.41 | Starmaker | isn't pinyin a kind of transliteration? |
| 22:54.50 | bonez41 | antgel, after running smbpasswd now the windows machine can see the linux machine, but printer still won't connect, so I am making a little progress.. |
| 22:54.53 | MickMcMack | 2.6.13-1-amd64-k8-smp |
| 22:54.56 | bonez41 | dli, thanks for the suggestions |
| 22:55.06 | MickMcMack | dli, 2.6.13-1-amd64-k8-smp * |
| 22:55.14 | juanja | dli__: I see you busy trying to help....I better leave you on your own....thanks for helping...!! Juan. (Madrid, Spain). |
| 22:55.26 | Alphix | juanja: but every government have something to be ashamed of ;) |
| 22:55.28 | thc | MickMcMack: that chipset isn't even supported by alsa, and i highly doubt oss would have had support for it either. |
| 22:55.36 | dli | Starmaker, PinYin is a method based on the pronunciation, usually, I only have to type about 2 letters for a character |
| 22:55.39 | MickMcMack | Damn. :( |
| 22:56.09 | thc | MickMcMack: buy a pci soundcard, they're cheap and supported. |
| 22:56.14 | juanja | Absolutely, Alphix. Even european governments, regardless of the democracy they claim to defend....:-) ;-) |
| 22:56.16 | MickMcMack | Aye, I was thinking of doing that. |
| 22:56.21 | antgel | bonez41: try browsing to the machine in network places. try connecting to a file share. sometimes you need to connect first and authenticate to a file share for the printer share to work. i hope you have configured smb.conf |
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| 22:56.27 | Starmaker | ah, ok |
| 22:56.43 | antgel | dli: isn't that like learning a whole new language? |
| 22:56.48 | dli | MickMcMack, what's in "lspci" |
| 22:56.51 | juanja | 33 |
| 22:56.52 | Alphix | juanja: looking at the UK, indefinate detention of suspected terrorists comes to mind |
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| 22:57.08 | thc | dli: it really doesn't matter. there is *no* driver for that chipset. |
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| 22:57.14 | antgel | !politics |
| 22:57.14 | dpkg | politics is probably Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 22:57.16 | bonez41 | antgel, well, yeah, smb.conf is configured.... |
| 22:57.25 | MickMcMack | dli, nothing about the sound, I don't think. |
| 22:57.33 | gizmoh | hi all |
| 22:57.45 | varsendagger | thc you are back!!! |
| 22:57.46 | juanja | Alphix: Yeah, that's right...but I don't think of UK as the paradigm of freedom....in fact I never did. |
| 22:57.52 | thc | varsendagger: ? |
| 22:57.54 | antgel | Ronin: keep going. take it slow. don't change everything at once :) |
| 22:57.57 | dli | antgel, pronunciation is easy, you speak the language, then, you don't really need to learn anything, there are other methods based on how the shape of characters, I learnt, but can remember very little now |
| 22:58.12 | Alphix | juanja: me neither |
| 22:58.20 | antgel | dli: i think it's fascinating and feel very primitive :) |
| 22:58.40 | MickMcMack | dli, sorry; 0000:00:04.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation CK804 AC'97 Audio Controller (rev a2) |
| 22:58.43 | dli | MickMcMack, "lspci |grep -i audio" |
| 22:58.45 | Alphix | juanja: but I think you can find similar examples in any country which you are sufficiently familiar with |
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| 22:59.14 | varsendagger | thc: i've been trying to get gdesklets working. i've got a question but i'll ask it in a little bit |
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| 22:59.31 | dli | antgel, interesting thing is it's faster then typing in English :) because we have to encode it |
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| 23:00.40 | antgel | dli: i find it fascinating. i'd love to learn a far eastern language, but apparently for people like me, we can study it for our whole lives, and still not be able to say "no, i ordered the soup _with_ noodles" |
| 23:00.55 | Starmaker | dli, how many keys are a standard chinese keyboard? |
| 23:01.05 | dli | MickMcMack, "modprobe snd_intel8x0" |
| 23:01.09 | antgel | Starmaker: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_input |
| 23:01.11 | varsendagger | what language? |
| 23:01.16 | juanja | Alphix: Right. In fact, here in Spain, when Al Qaeda hit Madrid (you probably noticed that, in March 2004), goverment kept telling it was from ETA, just to win the presidency for the next four years....and later on it was discovered they lied and manipulated....so they lost...and socialists won...Don't know if you noticed it... |
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| 23:01.28 | dli | Starmaker, I use a standard Dell 104 keyboard :) |
| 23:01.30 | antgel | for the second time... |
| 23:01.35 | antgel | !politics |
| 23:01.35 | dpkg | well, politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
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| 23:01.46 | Starmaker | dli, standard qwerty? |
| 23:01.51 | Alphix | juanja: of course I did....headline news for a couple of weeks....had a silent minute at the office as well |
| 23:02.11 | dli | antgel, interesting thing, the Chinese version of wikipedia.org, zh.wikipedia.org is blocked by the government |
| 23:02.24 | dli | Starmaker, affirmative |
| 23:02.31 | Alphix | antgel: so is it a keyboard input discussion channel then? |
| 23:02.31 | amphi | dli: heh |
| 23:02.32 | MickMcMack | dli, that module is installed. |
| 23:02.41 | antgel | dli: don't worry about it. it's full of crap :) |
| 23:02.48 | pedro420 | Hi all. Can someone please help me ? When I try to open my volume control, it says error no such mixer elements and/or devices found. |
| 23:02.50 | juanja | Alphix....you're great.....It could possibly affect my friends, even brothers or parents...and Jose María Aznar kept lying to the citizens.....so that was a clear manipulation... |
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| 23:03.16 | antgel | Alphix: 1. two wrongs don't make a right. 2. he's using debian to input chinese. i want to know how debian supports that. |
| 23:03.24 | lightbright | anyone here experienced in html? |
| 23:03.32 | dli | MickMcMack, /etc/init.d/alsa restart |
| 23:03.38 | antgel | !tell lightbright about anyone |
| 23:03.38 | Alphix | blah |
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| 23:04.09 | lightbright | sussudio: with your plastic fork? |
| 23:04.19 | dli | antgel, you can install debian in Chinese from the very bootcd |
| 23:04.20 | Starmaker | but? how can you input words using only a couple of keystrokes, i mean, there are a lot more sounds i a language than the 25 keys used for roman characters? |
| 23:04.22 | varsendagger | how do you do the *|stabs lightbright |
| 23:04.39 | Starmaker | *in |
| 23:04.41 | antgel | pedro420: are the soundcard modules installed? |
| 23:05.18 | Starmaker | that? |
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| 23:05.30 | antgel | dli: i'd love to see somebody do it. fact that it's quicker than western languages is amazing as well given that all the letters are under our fingertips |
| 23:05.36 | varsendagger | yeah |
| 23:05.38 | pedro420 | antgel: They were yesterday, I shut my pc down today and truned it back on and it gives me that crap line now. |
| 23:06.03 | varsendagger | starmaker:yes how did you do that? |
| 23:06.03 | Alphix | Starmaker: it doesnt sound that different from tab completion in your shell... |
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| 23:06.10 | pedro420 | antgel: How do I tell if they are or aren't ? |
| 23:06.15 | MickMcMack | dli, still no sound. |
| 23:06.19 | antgel | pedro420: so inster the relevant modules. add them to /etc/modules for future boots |
| 23:06.27 | Starmaker | varsendagger, /me says something |
| 23:06.29 | antgel | pedro420: lspci `-grep snd |
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| 23:06.48 | antgel | pedro420: lspci | grep snd |
| 23:07.02 | dli | antgel, in the beginning, Japanese people used a keyboard with more than 1,000 keys :) now, it's so simple, everything by software |
| 23:07.18 | dli | MickMcMack, check your dmesg, "dmesg|less" |
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| 23:07.40 | antgel | dli: is debian even legal in china? |
| 23:07.44 | deefzi | does anyone know how to disable beeping (i.e. when pressing backspace on an empty terminal line or completing commands with tab) of the pc-beeper? it's annyoing and quite vain. |
| 23:07.56 | antgel | !tell deefzi about beep |
| 23:08.11 | antgel | deefzi: ignore that shir |
| 23:08.16 | antgel | shit even |
| 23:08.23 | pedro420 | antgel: where do I type that at ? |
| 23:08.25 | dli | MickMcMack, any message about "snd_intel8x0" |
| 23:08.26 | dli | antgel, I think so. |
| 23:08.26 | antgel | what a wanky factoid |
| 23:08.49 | MetroMan | Shit! I've installed a .deb file (which i made from rpm) and I can't find where the files are located! How can i find them? and how can i uninstall the program? |
| 23:08.52 | MickMcMack | Sec.. |
| 23:08.57 | antgel | !beep |
| 23:08.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or ^G, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 23:09.05 | MickMcMack | Nope. |
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| 23:09.26 | dli | antgel, I remember in old days, they made a Chinese linux distr, called "Red Flag", the only mistake they made in it is that, they forgot to change many icons from "RedHat" to "Red Flag" |
| 23:09.53 | dli | MickMcMack, did you try hotplug? |
| 23:10.04 | DeathDealer | Hi. Just a quick question to PHP and MySQL. I am running a Debian server und just wanted to install phpGroupware. It says no Mysql support in PHP but phpMyAdmin works. php is configured with "-without-mysql". I think thats the point. How can I enable this? |
| 23:10.21 | dli | MickMcMack, "apt-get install hotplug" , then, "/etc/init.d/hotplug restart" |
| 23:10.26 | MickMcMack | Ok. |
| 23:10.27 | ahammond | DeathDealer: have you installed the php mysql module? |
| 23:10.58 | DeathDealer | ahammond yes with "apt-get install php4-mysql" i think |
| 23:11.19 | pedro420 | antgel: I typed that into the command line and all it did was goto antoher command line. Do I need to restart my pc ? |
| 23:11.21 | dabaR | Is there a file modprobe puts modules in when used? |
| 23:11.32 | Alphix | DeathDealer: check the the mysql module is loaded in the php config file also |
| 23:11.36 | MetroMan | So , how can I find where the programs are installed in my computer? |
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| 23:11.39 | ahammond | DeathDealer: well, how about checking with dpgk -L php4-mysql |
| 23:11.42 | dli | MickMcMack, nVidia CK804 is officially supported by alsa, with the intel8x0 driver |
| 23:11.53 | MickMcMack | apt-get install hotplug wants to remove udev |
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| 23:12.02 | antgel | pedro420: first line was wrong. look at the one i typed after. i'm using vnc right now, and some of my keys aren't mapped correctly |
| 23:12.09 | dli | MickMcMack, okay, keep your udev :( |
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| 23:12.30 | pedro420 | antgel: Thats the one I did type. |
| 23:12.38 | dli | MickMcMack, one wild guess, did you enable audio in BIOS, since kernel doesn't see your sound card at all |
| 23:12.44 | Gnea | MetroMan: apt-get remove <name of program> |
| 23:12.52 | Gnea | !tell MetroMan about newibe-guide |
| 23:12.56 | Gnea | !tell MetroMan about newbie-guide |
| 23:13.02 | MickMcMack | dli, no, I'll check that now. :) |
| 23:13.02 | MetroMan | Gnea: But where are the files places? |
| 23:13.12 | Gnea | MetroMan: apt-get remove takes care of it all |
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| 23:13.20 | antgel | MetroMan: dpkg -L. man dpkg. /msg dpkg grounding |
| 23:13.27 | Gnea | MetroMan: you can dpkg --contents file.deb |
| 23:13.34 | Gnea | and it will show you |
| 23:13.35 | Alphix | MickMcMack: are you running unstable? In that case, you should look at it from the other way...udev dislikes hotplug nowadays because it is regarded as a replacement |
| 23:13.36 | MetroMan | Ok.. thanks :) |
| 23:13.42 | dli | MickMcMack, reboot, and check carefully, many BIOS setup menus are nothing but confusing |
| 23:13.47 | antjos | ;) |
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| 23:13.54 | varsendagger | metro man you can also do a search like " $locate progam |
| 23:14.16 | dli | Alphix, MickMcMack couldn't get his sound card :( |
| 23:14.19 | MetroMan | varsendagger: locate doesn't work good.. and also fine.. |
| 23:15.09 | DeathDealer | ahammond Thanks. That pointed some new ways for me. |
| 23:15.24 | Alphix | dli: nono...wasn't that, it was just his comment about installing hotplug wanting to remove udev |
| 23:15.38 | varsendagger | so metro man are you a metrosexual? |
| 23:15.43 | MickMcMack | I can't use anything BUT Sid, because the PC wont do _anything_ on the other versions. |
| 23:16.19 | MetroMan | varsendagger: ofcourse. |
| 23:16.19 | dli | Alphix, I didnt realize he has udev, that was why I suggested him to try hotplug for his sound card |
| 23:16.45 | dli | Alphix: what's special about the PC? |
| 23:16.54 | dli | MickMcMack, what's special about the pc? |
| 23:17.02 | Alphix | dli: I see...how about manually creating the dev nodes as a first test? |
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| 23:17.14 | MickMcMack | It's an X2 with a 7800GTX. |
| 23:17.20 | varsendagger | i am too |
| 23:17.20 | MickMcMack | And an nF4 chipset. |
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| 23:17.28 | varsendagger | it is a good way to fly |
| 23:17.31 | choi | hello all~ |
| 23:17.32 | dli | Alphix, kernel doesn't see the card at all :( |
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| 23:17.59 | dli | mickael, chipset is handled by kernel, then, run sarge with that kernel |
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| 23:18.39 | kaka | is there any option that i have to include using LCD monitor? i just changed to LCD. |
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| 23:19.24 | dli | kaka: nothing special, but you may want to "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" again |
| 23:19.33 | kaka | oh all right.. |
| 23:19.34 | kaka | thanks.. |
| 23:19.57 | waverack | is there a reason I shouldn't use alien? I've heard people say it's bad |
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| 23:20.15 | dli | Alphix, can you figure out what sid has to do with a certain chipset? |
| 23:20.21 | waverack | Also, where do I submit bugs for Etch? |
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| 23:20.35 | dli | waverack, if possible, get the source, and recompile in debian |
| 23:21.16 | waverack | dli, why should I not use alien? |
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| 23:21.43 | dli | waverack, alien may or may not work :( |
| 23:21.57 | antjos | ;) |
| 23:21.57 | dondelelcaro | waverack: because you can create packages that won't actually work, and more importantly, won't necessarily have the proper dependencies. |
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| 23:22.44 | dli | dondelelcaro, what about checkinstall? |
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| 23:23.17 | Ugly | any one know a good howto to setup squid? |
| 23:23.42 | waverack | if alien does work, then it's okay, right? I guess I'll just compile ;( . There's a bug in etch that won't let me use my onboard Marvell Yukon Gigabit Ethernet Adapter -- it works fine in etch and it's not the kernel |
| 23:24.41 | waverack | by etch I mean Sarge, it works fine in Sarge |
| 23:24.43 | waverack | ^_^ |
| 23:24.52 | dli | Ugly, I just copy my old squid.conf :) |
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| 23:25.17 | Ugly | dli: nice, hehehe.. i dont have an old conf to copy |
| 23:25.30 | dli | waverack, if you want to compile, use checkinstall to make a .deb |
| 23:25.41 | varsendagger | hey : |
| 23:25.43 | varsendagger | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:25.44 | dli | Ugly, I can send you one |
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| 23:26.00 | varsendagger | how sould i go about changing the owner |
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| 23:26.07 | Ugly | dli: that would be fantastic if you could, cheers |
| 23:26.44 | waverack | dli, okay, I used that a while ago but I forgot what it was called, thanks for reminding me ^_^ |
| 23:26.49 | Ugly | email or http? |
| 23:27.01 | eleftherios | what does it take to mount a USB drive? |
| 23:27.17 | eleftherios | (I haven't got one to try) |
| 23:27.34 | amphi | eleftherios: mount /dev/sdX1 usually |
| 23:27.36 | waverack | dli, is checkinstall in the etch repositories? It's not working with apt-get and apt-cache shows nothing |
| 23:27.41 | eleftherios | amphi, thank you |
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| 23:28.02 | dli | Ugly, one moment |
| 23:28.05 | Ugly | k |
| 23:28.20 | eleftherios | amphi, so it is a trivial process, no special configuration needed or anything else, right? |
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| 23:28.26 | thingfish | apt-cache checkinstall works fine here, sarge/etch mix. |
| 23:28.27 | deefzi | humnh... set bell-style none in .bashrc & /etc/inputrc doesn't disable the pc-beeper bell. any ideas? |
| 23:28.45 | thingfish | apt-cache show checkinstall, that is. |
| 23:28.46 | Witigonen | Hey all, so, my reboots aren't working, I'm left with a nologin file in /etc. Is there any way figure out what's going on? |
| 23:28.47 | amphi | eleftherios: no, assuming appropriate kernel support |
| 23:28.51 | eleftherios | amphi, ok, thank you |
| 23:29.03 | waverack | i don't think it's in my repo, I'll just download it from packages.debian.org |
| 23:29.16 | citral | deefzi: module pcspkr is responsible for that |
| 23:29.26 | dli | Ugly, http://riz-sage.uchicago.edu/tmp/squid.conf.bz2 |
| 23:29.29 | varsendagger | hey how do i change ownership of files |
| 23:29.41 | citral | varsendagger: man chmod |
| 23:29.47 | citral | varsendagger: man chown |
| 23:29.49 | deefzi | citral, it's located in kernel? |
| 23:29.51 | Ugly | dli: thank you |
| 23:29.55 | dli | waverack, I think it's in stable |
| 23:30.20 | dli | Ugly, tricky part is the acl control :) search for 172.16 |
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| 23:30.27 | Ugly | k |
| 23:30.32 | Ugly | just looking over it now |
| 23:30.37 | citral | deefzi: there's a module, yes. you can blacklist it. You can also open your box and unplug the beeper ;) |
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| 23:30.51 | waverack | ya it is, i got it, thanks. Can I submit this deb for other people to use? I'm sure somebody's already compiled this app (Cinelerra) but you know. PS I expect that this will be a long compilation, but not more than like, an hour, right? |
| 23:31.10 | deefzi | citral, i'd rather keep it on since it sometimes gives some useful information is something goes wrong on POST :p |
| 23:31.12 | dli | Ugly, also, you need a firewall to limit access to your squid port |
| 23:31.26 | waverack | I have AMD 64 3200+ and running AMD64 port, 1024MB PC3200 |
| 23:31.27 | en1gma | hey all sup? im a long time slack user and just installed debian for first time ever. i have a couple questions if you dont mind. |
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| 23:31.40 | Ugly | dli: will only allow access from those ip's i want to access it from outside |
| 23:31.40 | dli | waverack, I think not, because it's compiled for your own environment |
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| 23:31.57 | thingfish | en1gma: just ask your question. |
| 23:32.02 | dli | Ugly always limit squid access to local |
| 23:32.16 | waverack | dli, oh i see. |
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| 23:32.43 | Josef70 | Excuse me, where are the Printer Drivers located in Debian Sarge? |
| 23:32.44 | Ugly | dli: i am installing squid on a box so i can use it as a proxy server, its on another network, my international traffic is limited, they have a high data limit i wana use some of it |
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| 23:32.55 | ranus99 | hello |
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| 23:33.07 | deefzi | citral, narf. it must've been compiled into this default kernel. :P |
| 23:33.10 | en1gma | 1st Q: does debian let you add NTFS part so i can browse it. 2nd Q:i only installed the the debian base and nothing else what is the cli file manager. 3rd Q: im not used to grub..i use lilo usually should i learn grub or should i go with what i know |
| 23:33.29 | ranus99 | grub destroyed my master boot record and i can't fix it |
| 23:33.42 | en1gma | i never install to anything but floppies |
| 23:33.44 | ranus99 | i tried to install lilo over it, but now i get the following boot message |
| 23:33.50 | en1gma | cause lilo did same thing to me long time ago |
| 23:33.52 | Josef70 | You know, the drivers that the are needed to print with the printer |
| 23:34.03 | dli | Ugly, still limit the access for their IPs |
| 23:34.05 | ranus99 | loading windows \n grub loading stage2 \n read error |
| 23:34.12 | thingfish | en1gma: debian kernels support ntfs out of the box. Just define the partition in fstab and mount it. |
| 23:34.18 | Ugly | dli: in squid it self or the firewall |
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| 23:34.23 | dli | Ugly, both |
| 23:34.27 | Ugly | dli: ahh, okies |
| 23:34.31 | ranus99 | en1gma not lilo was the fault, it was grub |
| 23:34.41 | kaka | hello~, how do i check if nvidia driver is being used? |
| 23:34.43 | en1gma | thingfish but i cant add it during install? |
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| 23:34.51 | Ugly | dli: i've setup apache proxy server before, was kewl; but i hear that squid it all that andmore |
| 23:34.56 | thingfish | en1gma: did you skip the base-config/tasksel part of debian-installer? |
| 23:35.02 | en1gma | yea but i never install to mbr after lilo got me long time ago |
| 23:35.26 | thingfish | en1gma: add what? I already told you, ntfs support is already in debian kernels. |
| 23:35.33 | dli | Ugly, squid is quite simple compared with apache |
| 23:35.42 | Ugly | wow... okies |
| 23:35.45 | thingfish | well install to MBR, you're safe with debian. |
| 23:35.57 | ranus99 | ok, now i need a solution, on partition 1 is windows this one is not working anymore |
| 23:36.02 | en1gma | thingfish i did the area where u pick ur partitions and what to do with em (like format or not) and bam it just starts installing. then i reboot and it asks me to put cd1 in since i didnt have net connection |
| 23:36.05 | ranus99 | also fdisk /mbr didn't help |
| 23:36.14 | en1gma | aptitude i quit out of |
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| 23:36.38 | en1gma | <thingfish> well install to MBR, you're safe with debian. yes i see what u said but did u read what i wrote |
| 23:36.46 | en1gma | "upon install" |
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| 23:36.54 | Ugly | dli: this is transparent right, or do you use port 1080 or 8080 for proxy in your browser |
| 23:37.19 | en1gma | woops copied wrong line to u thingfish |
| 23:37.20 | dli | Ugly, squid uses 3128 by default, you may change it |
| 23:37.29 | Ugly | ahh.. okies, thanks |
| 23:37.35 | dobby | i created a new user directly in the passwd file. now i created also a home directory, but the problem is that i can't login. |
| 23:37.48 | en1gma | whats the command to launch file manager in cli |
| 23:37.51 | ranus99 | can someone help me? "Loading Windows Grub Loading stage 2 Read Error" |
| 23:37.51 | en1gma | its not 'mc' |
| 23:37.55 | dli | dobby, passwd <newuser> |
| 23:38.12 | dobby | and than it should work? |
| 23:38.23 | thingfish | en1gma: apt-get install foo should work for you. |
| 23:38.43 | dli | ranus99, get a bootcd, boot it with "root=/dev/hd??" option, and reinstall grub |
| 23:38.45 | en1gma | i dont have net in there until i build a 2.6.12 kernel dont ask why that is just how it is |
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| 23:38.52 | waverack | I get this error while trying to compile Cinelerra: cp: cannot stat `x86_64/cinelerra': No such file or directory |
| 23:39.11 | en1gma | what is name of the file manager you use in cli |
| 23:39.18 | ranus99 | dli: i did. this does not work the error still exists after a grub-install or lilo command |
| 23:39.25 | Ugly | dli: /etc/squid/cachemgr.conf <-- this is were ip's are listed that are allowed access correct? |
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| 23:39.42 | waverack | nvm, now I get this: iec61883.h:23:32: error: libraw1394/raw1394.h: No such file or directory |
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| 23:40.14 | dli | Ugly, I don't know, for me, acl (Access control List) is the right place, and it's in squid.conf |
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| 23:40.22 | en1gma | what filemanager do you all use in the cli |
| 23:40.26 | Ugly | k |
| 23:40.31 | amphi | en1gma: screen |
| 23:40.46 | bucky | ls |
| 23:40.46 | en1gma | screen = bash? |
| 23:40.51 | ranus99 | i need a way to clean mbr and grub out of the windows partition without deleting or reinstalling windows |
| 23:40.52 | dabaR | ya, I like screen as a file manager. |
| 23:40.52 | en1gma | ls is not a file manager |
| 23:40.53 | en1gma | lol |
| 23:41.02 | en1gma | debian dont have one? |
| 23:41.05 | bucky | tree |
| 23:41.15 | dabaR | there is mc if you want. |
| 23:41.29 | en1gma | there is no mc i tried it |
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| 23:41.42 | en1gma | i love mc |
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| 23:42.19 | en1gma | i want to use mc to select what packages i want to install |
| 23:42.23 | en1gma | i want to browse |
| 23:42.25 | dli | en1gma, apt-get install mc |
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| 23:42.33 | thingfish | en1gma: like I told you, apt-get install mc. |
| 23:42.36 | en1gma | apt-get wont work without net will it |
| 23:42.49 | dli | en1gma, packages? apt-get install aptitude |
| 23:42.49 | en1gma | like i said |
| 23:43.11 | thingfish | if you have cds. how did you install if you have no internet connection? |
| 23:43.17 | waverack | enlgma, apt-get will work without internet if you have it set to read from the cds |
| 23:43.21 | en1gma | is apt-get install aptitude = pkgtool like in slack? |
| 23:43.33 | en1gma | yep i think i set it to read from cds |
| 23:43.49 | dli | en1gma, apt-setup |
| 23:43.50 | en1gma | but what i want to do is use mc to browse the cd so i can pick what packages i want that way |
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| 23:43.56 | dabaR | aptitude is an installation tool program I dont know what pkgtool is. |
| 23:44.17 | en1gma | sounds like aptitude is same as pkgtool but it looks nicer |
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| 23:44.24 | dabaR | en1gma: mount the cd, and then copy the contents over, or just browse them on the cd... |
| 23:44.30 | en1gma | i seen it upon install but i quit out of it |
| 23:44.40 | dli | dabaR, just tell him/her to use aptitude |
| 23:44.46 | en1gma | yea but my problem is i want to use mc to browse the cd |
| 23:44.50 | dabaR | en1gma: you should really use the apt system, since it gets the deps for you as well. |
| 23:45.03 | thingfish | enough is enough |
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| 23:45.18 | dli | en1gma, aptitude install mc |
| 23:45.26 | en1gma | dabaR u prob right but i want to at least have mc working so i can see whats up |
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| 23:45.31 | ranus99 | does no one have an idea? |
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| 23:45.33 | en1gma | dli okie |
| 23:45.34 | nethic | anyone HAVE apt srcs for kde3.5 itr beta1 or 2 ? |
| 23:45.43 | dabaR | en1gma: install it if it is not installed yet. |
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| 23:46.14 | dli | nethic, if it's not in testing, you'd better wait |
| 23:46.17 | en1gma | dabaR well since i didnt know debian had mc i wasnt sure if u all used another filemanager |
| 23:46.28 | en1gma | now that i know i just need to install ill get it |
| 23:46.28 | nethic | :( |
| 23:46.37 | thingfish | en1gma: Debian has almost everything. |
| 23:46.41 | en1gma | okie |
| 23:46.46 | Ugly | dli: the conf file was yours? or just a default conf file? |
| 23:46.50 | ranus99 | i will never use GRUB again, this bootloader is worse than lilo. BTW lilo is great, i never had problems with lilo |
| 23:46.58 | dli | Ugly, mine, it works for me |
| 23:47.02 | Ugly | k |
| 23:47.04 | antgel | nethic: you're nuts. it's only just testing in kubuntu |
| 23:47.06 | en1gma | is it possible for me to switch to lilo since im used to it even though grub is what im using now |
| 23:47.10 | nethic | i want it |
| 23:47.14 | dli | Ugly, I used it to provide apt-get for my LAN |
| 23:47.16 | Ugly | dli: just complianed about visible_hostname |
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| 23:47.23 | en1gma | cause when i build a new kernel i know what to edit in lilo.conf |
| 23:47.31 | en1gma | and then run /sbin/lilo |
| 23:47.33 | Ugly | i set the visible_hostname do my domain |
| 23:47.35 | thingfish | en1gma: you're behind the times. Use grub. |
| 23:47.41 | waverack | can I install an RPM without using alien? |
| 23:47.42 | dli | Ugly, it's local hostnames, 172.16., you got to change them |
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| 23:47.50 | antgel | en1gma: learn grub. debian kernel build edits bootloader for you, whatever it is. p.s. don't build a kernel unless you need to |
| 23:47.51 | en1gma | ok say i put my bzImage in /boot what do i do in grub |
| 23:47.56 | ranus99 | en1gma: grub destroyed my windows partition, in your position i would switch back to lilo as fast as possible |
| 23:47.58 | shad0wcat | since when did compiling a kernel in debian involve editing the grub config file? |
| 23:47.59 | Ugly | dli: ahhh... thats got #'s in front of that whole section |
| 23:48.00 | antgel | waverack: if you're clueless, yes |
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| 23:48.02 | thingfish | en1gma: debian kernels install themselves; no need to edit /etc/grub/menu.1st |
| 23:48.06 | dli | Ugly, I now use apt-proxy, so squid is not up anymore |
| 23:48.08 | antgel | ranus99: what a load of crap |
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| 23:48.17 | en1gma | ranus99 i will only install to floppy |
| 23:48.21 | Ugly | ahh.. okies |
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| 23:48.22 | shad0wcat | learn to compile a kernel in debian |
| 23:48.25 | ranus99 | antgel: so you have a solution for my problem? |
| 23:48.27 | thingfish | en1gma: don't do your own kernels. use debian-supplied kernels. |
| 23:48.30 | shad0wcat | stop blaming teh system |
| 23:48.31 | varsendagger | hey (gDeskletsShell:24864): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager:Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
| 23:48.37 | shad0wcat | the* |
| 23:48.40 | varsendagger | what the heck dpoes that mean? |
| 23:48.50 | en1gma | i already have a .config i want to use |
| 23:48.51 | waverack | antgel, why would I not want to do that? |
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| 23:49.03 | en1gma | can i select it if i do a debian kernel install |
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| 23:49.29 | en1gma | i like to build my kernels though :( |
| 23:49.30 | antgel | ranus99: no, i'm going to bed. however your comments that lilo is better than grub are refuted by all objectivity. the fact that _you_ had a bad experience is not reason to scaremonger |
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| 23:49.35 | en1gma | i got fast at it |
| 23:49.38 | thingfish | en1gma: if you start with a debian kernel/linux-source. |
| 23:49.45 | dli | en1gma, no, you have to compile your own kernel with kernel-package, if you want to use your own .config |
| 23:49.45 | antgel | waverack: because debian uses apt |
| 23:49.50 | Ugly | dli: acl localclients src my ip/32 <-- thats for my ip correct, since i'm not on that local network? |
| 23:49.57 | dabaR | varsendagger: where do you get that? |
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| 23:49.58 | thingfish | but you're asking for trouble, and you won't get support here if you use your own .configs. |
| 23:50.14 | antgel | en1gma: is the fact that you can build a kernel a good reason to build a kernel? |
| 23:50.14 | dli | Ugly yes, the exact IP |
| 23:50.16 | en1gma | i have my linux-2.6.12.6 src already dlaoded to a partition |
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| 23:50.21 | Ugly | dli: kewl, thanks |
| 23:50.31 | shad0wcat | you know |
| 23:50.34 | shad0wcat | there's a general rule |
| 23:50.36 | en1gma | antgel no the fact that my devices need it is why i do it |
| 23:50.40 | shad0wcat | if you have to ask about how to build a kernel |
| 23:50.43 | thingfish | some people should just stick with what they already know. |
| 23:50.44 | ranus99 | antgel: normally a fdisk /mbr fixes all windows boot problems, this helped allways when using lilo, but not with grub, grub installed somehow into mbr and on my windows partition -> when grub were only on mbr fdisk /mbr or lilo would allready have wiped out grub. that's the reason why grub is crap |
| 23:50.46 | shad0wcat | you're not skilled enough to pull it off |
| 23:50.50 | varsendagger | i tried running gdesklets and that is what i gor |
| 23:50.52 | varsendagger | got |
| 23:50.56 | antgel | en1gma: fine. just out of interest, what devices? |
| 23:51.03 | en1gma | i know how to build kernels i do it all day long but with debian ppl are saying use grub and i use lilo |
| 23:51.03 | waverack | antgel, are there any disadvantages to using an RPM? |
| 23:51.06 | shad0wcat | ranus99: no you're an idiot |
| 23:51.10 | shad0wcat | boot with the XP cd |
| 23:51.15 | shad0wcat | go into the recovery console |
| 23:51.16 | shad0wcat | then |
| 23:51.16 | en1gma | a PDA i use as a modem and an ati X800XL |
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| 23:51.20 | shad0wcat | fixmbr, fixboot |
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| 23:51.23 | shad0wcat | problem solved |
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| 23:51.24 | antgel | ranus99: funny how it never happened to thousands of grub users. |
| 23:51.26 | en1gma | now u know both devices that req a 2.6.12 kernel |
| 23:51.31 | ranus99 | ahdOwcat: then solve the problem when you know it better |
| 23:51.33 | dabaR | en1gma: I am sure there are guides on the net for you. |
| 23:51.35 | shad0wcat | it's a five minute procedure |
| 23:51.37 | antgel | waverack: yes. use alien i |
| 23:51.41 | antgel | waverack: |
| 23:51.45 | shad0wcat | ranus99: I did |
| 23:51.46 | en1gma | dabaR i want to use lilo |
| 23:51.49 | shad0wcat | about a year and a half ago |
| 23:51.49 | antgel | oops sorry all |
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| 23:51.56 | en1gma | i know how to set it up with lilo |
| 23:52.00 | dabaR | varsendagger: and you are already logged in at this poiint? |
| 23:52.01 | antgel | waverack: yes, use alien. what's wrong with alien? |
| 23:52.01 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: you didn't. tell me the solution |
| 23:52.06 | en1gma | but grub installed |
| 23:52.07 | shad0wcat | ranus99: I did |
| 23:52.08 | dabaR | en1gma: well, then do that...ymmv |
| 23:52.08 | thingfish | it sucks being out of pot. |
| 23:52.09 | shad0wcat | scroll up and read |
| 23:52.15 | shad0wcat | I'm not repeating myselöf |
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| 23:52.19 | dli | en1gma, en1gma still grub is better. |
| 23:52.26 | antgel | en1gma: debian does it all for you. why make your life hard? do something else with teh time you would spend configuring a bootloader |
| 23:52.32 | dabaR | thingfish: especially if youre hooked... |
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| 23:52.35 | en1gma | well if someone would do a quick explain what i need to do with grub i would use it |
| 23:52.46 | shad0wcat | !tell en1gma about kernel-package |
| 23:52.48 | antgel | thingfish: no, it's good as gives you a chance to give up |
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| 23:52.49 | thingfish | dabaR: me=hooked. |
| 23:52.57 | waverack | antgel, people said it leaves things unconfigured, dependencies and such. I think I'm going to use alien now though because compiling isn't working very well and I think that alien will work for this (Cinelerra) |
| 23:52.58 | en1gma | lilo.conf = edit && /sbin.lilo and bam im done |
| 23:53.00 | dabaR | sucks to be /you. |
| 23:53.03 | thingfish | antgel: I'm sort of trying to see it that way. |
| 23:53.05 | antgel | en1gma: go read the debian |
| 23:53.07 | dli | en1gma, apt-get remove lilo; apt-get install grub |
| 23:53.08 | thingfish | oh, I'll live. |
| 23:53.09 | antgel | grr |
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| 23:53.24 | antgel | waverack: who said that? |
| 23:53.27 | en1gma | then liloconfig ? |
| 23:53.31 | ranus99 | Shadowcat: this is Windows ME |
| 23:53.32 | en1gma | liloconf* |
| 23:53.32 | dli | en1gma, dpkg -i <your kernel image.deb> |
| 23:53.46 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: this is WinME |
| 23:53.49 | en1gma | im just gonna make my own the way i always have cause im good at it that way |
| 23:53.50 | dli | en1gma, run the command "upgrade-grub" to double check |
| 23:53.53 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: not WinXP |
| 23:53.57 | faif | Something is weird with the sound card's devices configuration. I discovered that sometimes I must use the device=esd to be able to play an ogg file |
| 23:54.04 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: and fdisk /mbr does NOT work! |
| 23:54.06 | shad0wcat | ranus99: then get a proper version of Windows |
| 23:54.08 | dli | en1gma, yes, but still try the debian way |
| 23:54.10 | antgel | en1gma: please go and read the debian reference and learn how to compile a kernel the debian way. then stop worrying about how to configure grub ad debian does it for you |
| 23:54.11 | faif | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.18 | shad0wcat | WinME is NOT a proper version of Windows |
| 23:54.29 | faif | any idea? |
| 23:54.31 | dabaR | youre such a flamer |
| 23:54.32 | en1gma | antgel u got a good site for me to goto |
| 23:54.39 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: So grub does only work with proper Windows versions? |
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| 23:54.46 | dabaR | you have an opinion about everything |
| 23:54.49 | Ugly | dli: if i'm getting this error, any idea where i would look? The requested URL could not be retrieved |
| 23:54.49 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: THAT's what you say! |
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| 23:54.52 | en1gma | dont forget i cant dl anything with debian till i build my kernel |
| 23:54.55 | shad0wcat | ranus99: grub would work on WinME |
| 23:54.56 | waverack | antgel, I asked in here about a half hour ago and was told that |
| 23:54.58 | antgel | en1gma: the fact that you are good at going something a shit way doesn't mean you shouldn't learn a good way... jesus i'm tired. i'm confusing myself |
| 23:54.59 | shad0wcat | it'll chain boot ME |
| 23:55.09 | antgel | e!tell |
| 23:55.11 | shad0wcat | that doesn't excuse the fact that WinME is utter crap |
| 23:55.12 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: i know, but is destroyed it, now solve it |
| 23:55.16 | antgel | ffs |
| 23:55.22 | waverack | I can't see how did it, my chat window doesn't go that far. |
| 23:55.24 | antgel | !tell en1gma about grounding |
| 23:55.27 | shad0wcat | grub doesn't destroy mbrs |
| 23:55.30 | antgel | !tell en1gma about reference |
| 23:55.38 | shad0wcat | you destroyed it by ereasing |
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| 23:55.44 | shad0wcat | erasing* |
| 23:55.46 | Ugly | dli: never mind; its now working |
| 23:55.53 | shad0wcat | as for getting grub off an FAT32 partition |
| 23:55.56 | antgel | ranus99: no, actually your misconfiguration destroyed it, or it was a coincidence |
| 23:55.57 | shad0wcat | go and fucking google it |
| 23:55.59 | en1gma | i got to go build this kernel. will be back soon |
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| 23:56.02 | en1gma | thanks for the help |
| 23:56.11 | shad0wcat | WinME is one thing that I refuse to touch |
| 23:56.17 | shad0wcat | NT/2000/XP is one thing |
| 23:56.18 | thingfish | jesus hates me, I'll swear. |
| 23:56.24 | shad0wcat | win9x is a totally different thing |
| 23:56.28 | antgel | waverack: if you _have_ to install rpm, i can't believe that anyone here would tell you to install it directly, rather than use alien |
| 23:56.31 | dli | shad0wcat, right, it's considered highly dangerous |
| 23:56.49 | shad0wcat | dli: actually people who still run WinME should be thrown off a cliff |
| 23:56.54 | thingfish | hehe |
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| 23:57.09 | ranus99 | antgel: then it was a bug or coincidence how you call it. |
| 23:57.12 | antgel | ranus99: just reinstall from your latest backup. easier than fucking around |
| 23:57.16 | amphi | shad0wcat: is ME not punishment enough? |
| 23:57.27 | waverack | antgel, they told me to compile instead, not to install the rpm |
| 23:57.33 | shad0wcat | amphi: you got a point there |
| 23:57.38 | dli | shad0wcat, right, or properly, regarded as terrorists, and "you are either with us or with them" |
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| 23:57.52 | shad0wcat | heh |
| 23:57.54 | ranus99 | antgel: i won't reinstall ME again only because grub made an error. Computer problems need to get solved without reinstalling, this is only a solution for newbies |
| 23:57.58 | antgel | waverack: alien is pretty good for a bodge-type thing. compiling is good in different ways :) |
| 23:58.00 | varsendagger | dabaR yes |
| 23:58.08 | shad0wcat | ranus99: yet you're the one asking about grub and not us |
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| 23:58.19 | shad0wcat | I'm not gonna google up a solution for WinME |
| 23:58.22 | shad0wcat | you can do that yourself |
| 23:58.24 | Ugly | dli: scratch that, ftp is working, but not http |
| 23:58.26 | shad0wcat | I refuse to touch WinME |
| 23:58.26 | dabaR | varsendagger: ok, then I do not know. |
| 23:58.36 | dli | ranus99, why not just recover the winme partition? to save some disk space |
| 23:58.38 | antgel | ranus99: why do you insist that grub made the error? fine, don't reinstall windows. who needs it anyway? |
| 23:58.47 | amphi | shad0wcat: not that I've seen it, I speak from pure prejudice ;) |
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| 23:59.02 | shad0wcat | amphi: I was on a WinME support team for three years |
| 23:59.06 | citral | antgel: gam0rz? |
| 23:59.06 | shad0wcat | NEVER again |
| 23:59.08 | ranus99 | shad0wcat: i didn't proposed GRUB for Debian, if it were me i would say Lilo should get default on debian |
| 23:59.08 | dli | Ugly I never tried ftp, http always works with my .conf |
| 23:59.14 | antgel | !pal shad0wcat |
| 23:59.17 | shad0wcat | if you want me to fix that pos, you gotta pay me |
| 23:59.20 | antgel | ranus99: |
| 23:59.22 | amphi | shad0wcat: ah... |
| 23:59.22 | antgel | ffs |
| 23:59.27 | shad0wcat | !beat antgel |
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| 23:59.36 | Ugly | dli: hehehe... ftp is working, its just giving me access denied at the moment, searhing for error on google |
| 23:59.40 | antgel | ranus99: why would you say lilo should be default? |
| 23:59.47 | amphi | ranus99: gotta have a shell before booting ;) |
| 23:59.51 | shad0wcat | antgel: because he fucked up an mbr |
| 23:59.54 | ranus99 | antgel: grub made the error because i had't this error before using grub |
| 23:59.57 | shad0wcat | and he's too lame to google for a solution |
