| 00:00.08 | BourneAgain | michaeln: I believe if you install the latest kernel it will automagically be added as a boot option. |
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| 00:00.27 | DaDave | hi |
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| 00:00.53 | Karhuton | michaeln, Sarge has 2.6 |
| 00:01.00 | DaDave | i want to configure my WLAN-PCMCIA card in /etc/network/interfaces automaticly. how can i do this? |
| 00:01.06 | BourneAgain | michaeln: Do not deinstall the old one unless you get everything to work. |
| 00:01.09 | Karhuton | michaeln, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:01.33 | destiny | danieldg: ? |
| 00:02.03 | Karhuton | michaeln, if you use grub, the new kernel will be added automatically to the list of available kernels |
| 00:02.12 | myo | BourneAgain: i also was able to connect to that site via web browser :( |
| 00:02.19 | BourneAgain | DaDave: You want to hotplug it right? |
| 00:02.21 | myo | why it didnt work from terminal :( |
| 00:02.38 | BourneAgain | myo: Different profile being used? |
| 00:02.41 | BourneAgain | perhaps? |
| 00:03.09 | michaeln | I tried installing the new kernel and a ton of stuff broke, is there something extra I need to do? |
| 00:03.14 | BourneAgain | myo: Dump the environment variables. |
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| 00:03.29 | BourneAgain | myo: And see what they are set too. |
| 00:03.40 | Karhuton | michaeln, if you have many custom modules added to /etc/modules, their name might have been changed |
| 00:03.41 | michaeln | I also followed the guide to configure/recompile kernel and it never booted - gave me a VFS error hdb not found |
| 00:03.46 | Karhuton | michaeln, such as audio drivers |
| 00:03.52 | myo | deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian potato main contrib |
| 00:03.57 | myo | it is in source.list |
| 00:03.59 | BourneAgain | myo: Type env |
| 00:04.01 | Karhuton | michaeln, why not use the kernel-image? |
| 00:04.08 | myo | there is not potato directory on that site |
| 00:04.09 | michaeln | I tried both ways |
| 00:04.18 | DaDave | BourneAgain: everything is slved except the configuration (dhcp, key, essid) |
| 00:04.18 | BourneAgain | myo: :) |
| 00:04.20 | michaeln | thats all im saying =P |
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| 00:04.37 | destiny | michaeln: why u want to upgrade kernel? if its not broken, dont fix it :) |
| 00:04.48 | myo | BourneAgain: it is working well for proxy :) |
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| 00:04.54 | BourneAgain | DaDave: I remember seeing a good hot plug tutorial. Are you running IP tables? |
| 00:04.56 | myo | i think coz' of potato |
| 00:04.56 | michaeln | destiny: some things don't exactly work - sound and mouse |
| 00:04.59 | myo | rite ? |
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| 00:05.15 | destiny | michaeln: yoy saying atm you have no sound and no mouse? |
| 00:05.19 | BourneAgain | DaDave: Of course you are, sorry. |
| 00:05.21 | myo | deb ftp://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian potato main contrib |
| 00:05.23 | DaDave | BourneAgain: i want it to be auto configurated at startup so that i have not to type "iwconfig wlan0 essid" and such things... |
| 00:05.30 | myo | wht does that mean for potato main contrib ? |
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| 00:06.06 | DaDave | BourneAgain: why do you ask for IP tables? what does that have to do with the WLAN config? *confused* |
| 00:06.13 | BourneAgain | DaDave: Do you have a list of stuff you type in to get it to work? DO you want this run on a hotplug event or startup. |
| 00:06.14 | TK-1 | some1 pls help me asec |
| 00:06.42 | BourneAgain | DaDave: Sorry, I was thinking of something else. :( |
| 00:06.44 | TK-1 | http://64.251.30.55/phpmyadmin/ any ideas why it keeps trying to download the directory thanks |
| 00:06.50 | michaeln | destiny: sound works most of time, some programs don't work with it though. the mouse works sometimes and sometimes it doesnt (after a boot), it's a usb mouse and lsmod uhci stopped working after boot |
| 00:06.58 | DaDave | BourneAgain: i think there is some way through /etc/network/interfaces. do you know how? |
| 00:07.34 | dondelelcaro | DaDave: yes, there is; install iwconfig; add the appropriate line to /etc/network/interfaces (wireless-essid foobar baz) |
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| 00:08.04 | sparr_ | im going to have to upgrade to a newer kernel than 2.6.10 to get ALSA support for my sb live (ca0106), yes? |
| 00:08.07 | concept10 | TK-1, your apache is not configured for php |
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| 00:08.26 | DaDave | dondelelcaro: thanks. worked. |
| 00:08.41 | kats_ | hello |
| 00:08.45 | colera | i am trying to install a program and it say;s that requires the X Window System header files and libraries! |
| 00:08.48 | colera | what do i do? |
| 00:08.49 | DaDave | strange things happen sometimes... |
| 00:09.07 | DaDave | my wlan does completely not work when ACPi is turned on *crazy* |
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| 00:09.43 | sparr_ | is there a kernel-image package newer than 2.6.12-rc6? |
| 00:09.59 | DaDave | man i have to clean up my config. there is SCSI subsystem loaded and i don not even have a scsi controler in this pc :-) |
| 00:10.09 | myo | BourneAgain: it now seems working when i change to woody for potato :D |
| 00:10.23 | BourneAgain | myo: I am glad I could be of assistence. |
| 00:10.39 | myo | thanks a lot BourneAgain :) |
| 00:11.16 | DaDave | where are all the kernel-modules set which will be loaded at startup with the 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:11.31 | DaDave | there is scsi loaded and i want to change that :-) |
| 00:11.42 | Coag | Message from syslogd@localhost at Thu Aug 18 16:36:20 2005 ... |
| 00:11.42 | Coag | localhost kernel: Disabling IRQ #185 |
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| 00:11.49 | Coag | should i be worried about that? |
| 00:11.52 | Coag | because i am quite a bit |
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| 00:12.04 | DaDave | IRQ 185? |
| 00:12.06 | BourneAgain | DaDave: http://openskills.info/infobox.php?ID=1104 , that is a link to the entire boot process, and notes on it. |
| 00:12.07 | Coag | it happens fr no reason |
| 00:12.17 | DaDave | i did not know that a system has so many irqs :-) |
| 00:12.36 | DaDave | BourneAgain: thanks |
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| 00:13.22 | Coag | anyone have any kind of clue? |
| 00:14.02 | colera | what is the name of the package in debain that has the X header files and link-time libraries? |
| 00:14.12 | colera | i need to install them |
| 00:14.15 | DaDave | BourneAgain: hmm. nice page but it does not help me much... |
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| 00:14.40 | BourneAgain | DaDave: Yeah :( |
| 00:15.11 | DaDave | BourneAgain: i still don't know where the scsi mod gets loaded. |
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| 00:15.30 | destiny | michaeln: and will a kernal update fix it? |
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| 00:18.56 | sparr | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:18.56 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
| 00:18.58 | BourneAgain | DaDave: I have read hundreds and hundreds of pages on Debian so far. Still learning every day :) |
| 00:19.21 | j4cbo | gah, WHY is lilo trying to access /dev/hda when I want to put the bootloader on my CF card? |
| 00:19.54 | BourneAgain | DaDave: I spent 4 hrs today getting VNC to work :( It was a nightmare. :( |
| 00:20.07 | BourneAgain | DaDave: I thought I would have to do is install it! |
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| 00:20.19 | j4cbo | i should be able to put lilo on a flash card without needing root, assuming i have write access to /dev/sda*, right? |
| 00:20.40 | j4cbo | any ideas why it's trying to mess with my hard drive? |
| 00:20.45 | jcole | how do i play a midi (.mid) file in linux? |
| 00:20.59 | michaeln | destiny: i believe so - there is better support for my mouse in 2.6 |
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| 00:21.24 | Mxyzpltk | jcole: http://www.linuxfocus.org/English/September2002/article259.shtml |
| 00:21.27 | DaDave | BourneAgain: hehe :-) we all have to learn... :-) as far as i read now the problem is that are many modules are dependants to other modules and this is the reason why so many modules get loaded on boot time with 2.6 kernels. so i can do nothing about it. :-( |
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| 00:22.16 | BourneAgain | DaDave: Are you saying that in 20 years from now a network boot of linux will take 10 minutes? :) |
| 00:22.46 | DaDave | BourneAgain: hmm maybe :-) |
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| 00:23.10 | DaDave | BourneAgain: but maybe we will not have networks anymore in 20 years :-) |
| 00:23.53 | sparr | what controls where module-assistant looks for kernel source? |
| 00:24.10 | BourneAgain | DaDave: We will be all drugged and places in holding cells by aliens. |
| 00:24.13 | sparr | it keeps complaing that i have unconfigured sources in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.10 |
| 00:24.22 | DaDave | BourneAgain: btw: i hope i will not get burned for this statement here *g* but: <whisper>in 20 years i think there will no linux be... (and no windows, mac, etc too)</whipser> :-) |
| 00:24.24 | sparr | but i want it to look in /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.12-1-k7 |
| 00:24.58 | BourneAgain | DaDave: I think there will be linux but no Windows :) |
| 00:25.03 | Gil_ | 20 years is like a 33% again the entire lifespan of computer science ;) |
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| 00:25.26 | DaDave | BourneAgain: nice dream. but i far away from reality :-( |
| 00:25.55 | DaDave | BourneAgain: btw: there will always be a commercial os. if it's not windows than another will thake it's place. |
| 00:26.32 | PerfDave | MacOS X! |
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| 00:26.49 | Gil_ | it'll be MacOS L by then! ;) |
| 00:27.33 | litage | how can you determine the date of a package that isn't installed from apt's cache? |
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| 00:27.59 | michaeln | ok i just installed 2.6, and now eth0 says error while getting interface flags: no such device |
| 00:28.30 | sparr | how can i remove every package i have installed that put something in /usr/src? |
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| 00:29.05 | DaDave | do anyone know good performance tuning tips or sites? i have a 400mhz notebook with 392MB RAM and i want to tune it a bit bc it runs quite slow... |
| 00:29.10 | michaeln | my nic is intel pro/100, and i had it built into the kernel, do i have to add that to /etc/modules? |
| 00:29.10 | BourneAgain | DaDave: I see it this way. Have you seen a graph of the percentage cost of OS software to hardware? That is why linux will win. Commercial OS stuff will be history for $400 computers. |
| 00:30.07 | DoppelGanger | sparr: thts a funny question |
| 00:30.11 | BourneAgain | At that point Windows will cost half as much as the hardware. It used to be that MSDOS cost $100 for a $3,400 PC. |
| 00:30.36 | DaDave | BourneAgain: maybe. but i think if we still got linux in 20 years we failed. i think in 20 years we will have something much more advanced that what we have now. the question is not if it's linux or whatever. the question is will it be a commercial system or an open source and free system. |
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| 00:30.58 | BourneAgain | DaDave: Can I message you for a sec? |
| 00:31.04 | fabsoft | hello ! |
| 00:31.10 | DaDave | BourneAgain: sure |
| 00:31.38 | sparr | DoppelGanger: well, if i cant get m-a to look in the right place, ill make sure it only has one place to look |
| 00:32.25 | DoppelGanger | quick question whts m-a |
| 00:32.39 | fabsoft | how i can fetch only the debs packages that are currently installed on my machine ? |
| 00:32.45 | sparr | DoppelGanger module assistant |
| 00:32.55 | DoppelGanger | oh |
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| 00:34.20 | Gil_ | fabsoft: apt-get upgrade ? |
| 00:34.21 | yoo | Why when i open in mozilla http://simpson.yoo.dnsalias.org/squirrelmail mozilla answer he doesn't know application/x-httpd-php ? |
| 00:34.53 | mveers | bye |
| 00:35.04 | adsadsad | yoo: install the php module |
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| 00:35.13 | yoo | it's ok |
| 00:35.15 | Gil_ | yoo: it is likely that the webserver isn't configured to run PHP correctly |
| 00:35.17 | yoo | for apache2 |
| 00:35.31 | [SA]Islo | I have a Xen question |
| 00:35.35 | yoo | yes |
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| 00:35.50 | [SA]Islo | It's Debian Bug #322544 |
| 00:35.53 | [SA]Islo | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322544 |
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| 00:36.01 | [SA]Islo | Has anyone else had this problem? |
| 00:36.37 | sparr | well, the one-liner fails again |
| 00:36.37 | destiny | darkwatch is CRAP! Just another demon based garbage |
| 00:36.40 | adsadsad | yoo: LoadModule php5_module |
| 00:36.49 | sparr | i hate having to use the nvidia installer |
| 00:36.57 | yoo | no php4 for squirrelmail |
| 00:36.57 | destiny | wrong window sorry |
| 00:36.59 | sparr | cuz next time i come in here ill get scoffed at for having used it |
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| 00:37.13 | adsadsad | yoo: eh ok |
| 00:37.29 | yoo | and it's ok in httpd.conf |
| 00:37.31 | yoo | :) |
| 00:37.35 | fabsoft | i would download in cache all packages (already up to date) hwich are currently installed in my machine |
| 00:37.37 | yoo | i don't understand |
| 00:37.47 | fabsoft | si there a solution ? |
| 00:38.10 | adsadsad | anyway the module doesn't register it self with the x-httpd-php mime |
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| 00:38.50 | yoo | so how solve this problem |
| 00:39.00 | adsadsad | don't know |
| 00:39.35 | yoo | perhaps i have forget to install libapache2 ? |
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| 00:39.47 | Gil_ | yoo: do you have libapache2-mod-php4 ? |
| 00:39.54 | yoo | yes |
| 00:39.54 | adsadsad | read the error log to see if the module is loaded correctly |
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| 00:40.41 | Gil_ | yoo: is php4.conf in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ ? |
| 00:41.20 | Skiflyer | anyone know where I can find a good doc for DVD burning on debian sarge? |
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| 00:41.29 | Skiflyer | specifically command line burning |
| 00:41.33 | ray_ | you guys know why i can open alsamixer |
| 00:41.35 | ray_ | ? |
| 00:41.41 | shmloe | Hi, I got a "kernel panic" at line /sbin/init 425: dev/console not found |
| 00:41.44 | shmloe | any hints? |
| 00:41.45 | ray_ | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 00:41.46 | ray_ | ? |
| 00:42.05 | Mxyzpltk | Skiflyer: try http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/ |
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| 00:42.28 | Skiflyer | Mxyzpltk: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 00:42.32 | dvs | ray_: an ALSA module is not loaded? |
| 00:43.00 | ray_ | dvs, maybe......i have sound |
| 00:43.00 | fabsoft | shmloe, try with con0=null at kernel command line |
| 00:43.15 | dvs | ray_: lsmod | grep snd_ |
| 00:43.29 | shmloe | fabsoft: do you mean? |
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| 00:43.47 | shmloe | fabsoft: /dev/console |
| 00:43.48 | fabsoft | it's disable console 0 |
| 00:44.05 | fabsoft | do you use udev ? o devfs |
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| 00:44.29 | shmloe | fabsoft: When I startup my computer it already gives me the KernelPanic sign. |
| 00:44.30 | fabsoft | try also to create node device with mknod |
| 00:44.31 | ray_ | dvs, im not seeing snd_ctl |
| 00:44.42 | dvs | ray_: Do you see anything? |
| 00:44.55 | ray_ | dvs, yes |
| 00:45.00 | ray_ | dvs, a lot |
| 00:45.04 | fabsoft | ya, you can put command line from grub o lilo |
| 00:45.08 | dvs | ray_: Ok, so ALSA is loaded |
| 00:45.21 | ray_ | dvs, yes it is |
| 00:45.21 | dvs | ray_: And you are part of the audio group right? |
| 00:45.34 | ray_ | dvs, how do i check |
| 00:45.38 | dvs | ray_: groups |
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| 00:46.12 | ray_ | dvs, yes im in audio |
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| 00:46.21 | dvs | Hmmm... |
| 00:46.22 | Boukensya | hey guys. With "vi" how do I go to lets say line 371? |
| 00:46.48 | ray_ | dvs, the only reason i care is because i get tons of amixer errors at boot |
| 00:46.50 | shmloe | fabsoft: are you trying to tell me rm /dev/console and use mknod to create a new node? |
| 00:46.57 | ray_ | dvs, amixer dont work either |
| 00:47.08 | geordie | Boukensya: 371 gg |
| 00:47.13 | Boukensya | cheers |
| 00:47.14 | dvs | I think amixer is for OSS |
| 00:47.27 | dvs | ray_: Is the snd_mixer_oss module loaded? |
| 00:47.37 | ray_ | sure is |
| 00:47.56 | dvs | ray_: I guess snd_pcm_oss is too. |
| 00:48.20 | ray_ | umm it lists it but it has a 0 next to it |
| 00:48.21 | fabsoft | shmloe, do you already seen presence of that file ? |
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| 00:48.28 | dvs | ray_: That's fine |
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| 00:49.53 | BourneAgain | I am reading the IPTABLES networking introduction. It implies the Internet exists for serving porn. |
| 00:50.03 | dvs | ray_: I'm not sure what it could be. Unless there's a missing entry in the /dev/snd/ directory. I have about 8 items in there |
| 00:50.07 | DoppelGanger | pretty true BourneAgain |
| 00:50.18 | dvs | but not in .xxx |
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| 00:50.38 | ray_ | dvs, how do i figure out my soundcard? |
| 00:50.42 | shmloe | fabsoft: yes |
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| 00:50.50 | dvs | ray_: lspci | grep audio |
| 00:50.54 | spoopin | BourneAgain: are you trying to refute that claim? |
| 00:51.14 | BourneAgain | DoppelGanger: I would love to have gotten to give a speech on the floor of the senate. And asked, how many of you have problems with spyware? |
| 00:51.15 | shmloe | fabsoft: I get "KernelPanic" at bootup, Is it possible to disable /sbin/init to look for /dev/console? |
| 00:51.17 | myo | BourneAgain: wht is the better on Debian ? |
| 00:51.18 | ray_ | dvs, well there is nothing there |
| 00:51.35 | BourneAgain | Then pointed out that at least half of spyware is installed at porn sites :) |
| 00:51.37 | dvs | ray_: Huh? Is it an ISA or PC Card or something? |
| 00:51.44 | DoppelGanger | he he |
| 00:51.47 | ray_ | dvs, onboard intel |
| 00:52.04 | fabsoft | shmloe, maybe that device number is corrupted... but i think that problem is related with kernel configuration |
| 00:52.21 | dvs | ray_: Intel is only the interface. there should be a sound chip behind the interface. |
| 00:52.27 | BourneAgain | DoppelGanger: Can you imagine someone doing that. Then asking Senator Boxer why she looks at porn? |
| 00:52.34 | dvs | 0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 00:52.53 | shmloe | fabsoft: really, so there is no possible way to disable that thing? |
| 00:52.53 | ray_ | dvs, yes thats the one.........except ich6 |
| 00:52.54 | solid_liq | BourneAgain: doesn't it? |
| 00:52.56 | solid_liq | :) |
| 00:52.58 | DoppelGanger | god fearing senators look at porn no |
| 00:52.59 | fabsoft | shmloe, you can try to pass init=/bin/sh to startup system without init |
| 00:53.17 | BourneAgain | solid_liq: :) |
| 00:53.19 | solid_liq | heheh |
| 00:53.31 | dvs | ray_: Oh? and snd_intel8x0 is loaded? |
| 00:53.38 | ray_ | hold on |
| 00:53.59 | BourneAgain | DoppelGanger: I once remember this fellow telling me he was always getting spyware infections what should he do about it. I said, "Ask your wife." |
| 00:54.01 | shmloe | fabsoft: oh, do you know where is the init configurating file located at? maybe if I remove /dev/console I can get it to work. |
| 00:54.24 | DoppelGanger | mwa ha ah BourneAgain you are killing me he eh |
| 00:54.33 | solid_liq | shmloe: are you joking? |
| 00:54.34 | ray_ | dvs, how do i check |
| 00:54.42 | fabsoft | /etc/inittab |
| 00:54.46 | dvs | ray_: lsmod | grep snd_intel8x0 |
| 00:55.24 | ray_ | dvs, yeah its loaded |
| 00:55.47 | ray_ | dvs, alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory |
| 00:56.05 | ray_ | dvs, i need to load snd_ctl_open somehow |
| 00:56.28 | solid_liq | if I cat /proc/asound/card0/id and it responds A5451 does anyone know what kind of sound hardware I have? |
| 00:56.34 | dvs | ray_: I think snd_ctl_open is a name of a function in ALSA |
| 00:57.24 | solid_liq | I'm trying to get the sound working on my notebook |
| 00:57.51 | dvs | ray_: Maybe try the snd_hda_intel driver |
| 00:58.10 | BourneAgain | DoppelGanger: Seriously, I remember this one gal in my senior's class ask me why her computer was giving porn popups. Her husband was sitting next to her too! |
| 00:58.22 | BourneAgain | How should I answer that? |
| 00:58.42 | DoppelGanger | BourneAgain: because your husband loves you very much |
| 00:58.50 | BourneAgain | ROFL |
| 00:58.54 | solid_liq | BourneAgain: because you're using windows! :) heheh |
| 00:59.04 | Skiflyer | I'm a little confused by the command line dvd burning |
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| 00:59.12 | ray_ | dvs, how do i do that |
| 00:59.15 | Skiflyer | if I just have one file i want to write to a dvd, and I then want that DVD finalized |
| 00:59.16 | solid_liq | Skiflyer: then use k3b |
| 00:59.23 | tenthirteen | oops sorry |
| 00:59.31 | Skiflyer | solid_liq: no, I need command line |
| 00:59.43 | solid_liq | oic |
| 00:59.47 | maher | Skiflyer: what do you type / what doesn't work |
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| 00:59.52 | solid_liq | stbu |
| 00:59.53 | dvs | ray_: modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 then modprobe snd_hda_intel |
| 00:59.53 | solid_liq | :) |
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| 01:00.16 | Skiflyer | nothing yet, wanna figure it out first... is my command line going to be growisofs -Z /dev/dvd -R -J /path/to/file |
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| 01:00.32 | MT|DeadAthlonXP | p0w4h: sebian?? |
| 01:00.42 | Skiflyer | (figured better to ask a couple questions than make a bunch of coasters) |
| 01:00.45 | maher | Skiflyer: that won't preserve dir structure but apart from that should work |
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| 01:01.07 | foo | Is there a problem if I install 2.6.8 from kernel.org on sarge ? |
| 01:01.09 | Skiflyer | maher: well after gzip finishes with this 5 gig file, I'll give it a try then, thanks |
| 01:01.10 | maher | Skiflyer: experiment with a dvd rw first... |
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| 01:01.33 | Skiflyer | maher: don't have any on hand unfortunately, and stores with DVD RWs around here don't exist |
| 01:01.37 | sgeigerbot | I'm having one hell of a time getting zope to start up. I've installed it again on a Debian system...and ususally then it will work by default. I am hoping someone in here has suggestions. The ports aren't being held open by some other application, and there are no zope processes on my system. "ps aux | grep zope" verifies that zope isn't running. I've reinstalled (apt-get remove --purge ...)a couple of times now... When |
| 01:01.37 | sgeigerbot | I use /etc/init.d/zope2.6 and sudo zopectl --start ALL I get the same output: Waiting instances in late: done. Nothing to be found in log files either! |
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| 01:01.54 | Skiflyer | I don't mind coastering a few if it's something odd, just not cause I'm a moron and use the wrong cmd line |
| 01:01.56 | sgeigerbot | Any ideas would be appreciated!!! |
| 01:02.11 | ray_ | dvs, snd_hda_intel is what alsaconf loads |
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| 01:02.24 | ray_ | dvs, i just cant figure this out |
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| 01:02.51 | dvs | ray_: I don't think you can have both snd_intel8x0 and snd_hda_intel loaded at the same time. |
| 01:03.14 | ray_ | dvs, somehow i do |
| 01:03.27 | maher | Skiflyer: remember iso9660 doesn't support files larger than a certain size (2G?) so use split to chop them up first if nec |
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| 01:03.41 | Skiflyer | maher: good to know, thanks |
| 01:03.43 | ray_ | dvs, when i do a alsactl store |
| 01:03.57 | ray_ | dvs, it tells me i have no sound card......but sound works great |
| 01:04.03 | Skiflyer | maher: that would answer my followup question of how to split it across multiple DVDs cause this may be bigger than 4.7gigs |
| 01:04.10 | razor7 | hello guys |
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| 01:04.20 | razor7 | any help for installing sarge? |
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| 01:04.31 | ray_ | whats the prob? |
| 01:04.35 | razor7 | thanks |
| 01:04.39 | sparr_ | what do i need to do to get hardware mixing working on a sb live? |
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| 01:04.45 | dvs | ray_: Maybe because it's looking at the snd_intel8x0 module first and the sound is using snd_hda_intel |
| 01:04.48 | razor7 | im trinig to install sarge with expert2.6 option |
| 01:05.02 | ray_ | dvs, thats very possible |
| 01:05.03 | razor7 | basic stuff just ok |
| 01:05.05 | maher | Skiflyer: if its a single file then use split to chop it up and cat to put it back together - but if you've gzipped it and you lose one of the disks it may be difficult to recover the partial data |
| 01:05.10 | dvs | razor7: It's called "expert26" |
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| 01:05.22 | sgeigerbot | Skiflyer: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s8.6.15 |
| 01:05.28 | razor7 | but when i reboot, the sistem keeps me throwing |
| 01:05.39 | dvs | ray_: Is snd_intel8x0 in your /etc/modules file? |
| 01:05.47 | razor7 | nv_sata fisrt device added |
| 01:05.57 | Skiflyer | maher: I'll take that risk, better than the no backups I have right now |
| 01:06.01 | Skiflyer | sgeigerbot: awesome, thanks |
| 01:06.03 | razor7 | nv_sata firts device deleted |
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| 01:06.24 | ray_ | dvs, neither are? |
| 01:06.24 | razor7 | and i cannot keep forward because this messge is a crap |
| 01:06.30 | Chass | which debian package has the mkfs.vfat tool? |
| 01:06.34 | sgeigerbot | Skiflyer: That's now 8.6.16 |
| 01:06.57 | fabsoft | anyone know how i can downalod to apt cache all packages that are already installed and upddated on my pc ? |
| 01:07.02 | dvs | ray_: Did you just run alsaconf after you logged on? |
| 01:07.04 | Skiflyer | sgeigerbot: Yeah I saw that... |
| 01:07.13 | ray_ | dvs, yes |
| 01:07.23 | ray_ | dvs, ive ran it a few times |
| 01:07.23 | fabsoft | i would create a personal repository for my LAN |
| 01:07.26 | razor7 | how should i workarround this nv_sata issue |
| 01:07.31 | razor7 | ? |
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| 01:07.45 | dvs | ray_: That's why. I'd add "snd_hda_intel", "snd_pcm_oss" and "snd_mixer_oss" to your /etc/modules file. |
| 01:08.02 | ray_ | dvs, ok hold on |
| 01:08.05 | maher | fabsoft: try apt-cacher or apt-[roxy |
| 01:08.09 | maher | fabsoft: try apt-cacher or apt-proxy |
| 01:08.11 | Chass | i get mkfs -t vfat /dev/hda7 |
| 01:08.12 | Chass | mkfs.vfat: No such file or directory |
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| 01:08.28 | quittt | why the fuck XMMS changes time from GOOD QUALITY Mp3 in playlist? |
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| 01:08.43 | Chass | uhm. make sence |
| 01:08.53 | dondelelcaro | quittt: parse error, no clue what the heck you're complaining about. |
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| 01:09.22 | nixuser | anybody know the file path for installing a new gdm graphical greeter for login? |
| 01:09.23 | Skiflyer | anyone tell me how to get the overall size of a directory structure from the cl? |
| 01:09.38 | maher | Skiflyer: du -sh dir |
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| 01:10.04 | Skiflyer | maher: my thanks again |
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| 01:10.23 | razor7 | anyone can help me installing sarge? |
| 01:10.38 | sgeigerbot | razor7: Can someone help you? Not sure. Ask a question and we will find out. Also, type this: /msg apt tell me about ask-to-ask |
| 01:10.48 | nixuser | whats the file path for installing a different graphical greeter in gdm? |
| 01:10.55 | dvs | razor7: Type a question in one line |
| 01:11.06 | dvs | razor7: Or use paster |
| 01:11.07 | sgeigerbot | nixuser: file path? |
| 01:11.19 | sgeigerbot | nixuser: since when does a file path install anything? |
| 01:11.23 | nixuser | ya its looking for a file to install the new greeter |
| 01:11.40 | nixuser | im looking for the file path |
| 01:11.51 | razor7 | nv_sata |
| 01:12.04 | razor7 | ok the problem is as follows |
| 01:12.09 | nixuser | my question was clear enough, |
| 01:12.15 | razor7 | i cannot install sarge using expertmode26 |
| 01:12.26 | razor7 | because after the reboot |
| 01:12.27 | nixuser | im wonder what file the graphical greeter gets installed to |
| 01:12.31 | dvs | *plonk* |
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| 01:12.35 | razor7 | nv_sata spams everithing |
| 01:12.41 | nixuser | ing |
| 01:13.01 | razor7 | any idea? |
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| 01:14.46 | sparr_ | ive got some source code designed for an older version of cc, without breaking my current modern build environment can i install an older version to use? |
| 01:15.03 | maher | sparr_: yes |
| 01:15.07 | razor7 | you can check it out here |
| 01:15.09 | razor7 | http://lists.debian.org/debian-amd64/2005/07/msg00746.html |
| 01:15.42 | nixuser | no answer ehh |
| 01:15.42 | razor7 | any help? |
| 01:15.52 | maher | razor7: wy not do what the responses say? |
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| 01:17.10 | razor7 | what the responses say? |
| 01:17.21 | razor7 | did I have any? |
| 01:17.23 | sparr_ | maher: how? |
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| 01:18.02 | maher | sparr_: apt-cache search gcc - install the one you want |
| 01:18.02 | razor7 | ahh...yes i tried that before getting here |
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| 01:18.12 | razor7 | and doesn't works |
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| 01:19.08 | tech9iner | so mates.. |
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| 01:19.18 | tech9iner | fine laddie pointed me to z600 cups driver.. |
| 01:19.29 | tech9iner | attempting script installer of it now.. |
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| 01:20.02 | tech9iner | but it erroring out on 'libtcl8.3.so' .. just ran a provides search in synaptic |
| 01:20.05 | tech9iner | not finding it.. |
| 01:20.06 | nixuser | Another option is just to run tar vxzf gdm-debblue.tar.gz in /usr/share/gdm/themes this will add it automatically to the list of themes in GDM |
| 01:20.08 | tech9iner | any clues Please |
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| 01:20.31 | tech9iner | am i using synaptic wrong for provides search maybe?.. |
| 01:20.44 | nixuser | thanks to me for finding my own answer , just looking to shorten the time , thanks for you non help guys |
| 01:20.47 | tech9iner | [been 2 years since using synaptic here ;[ ;];] |
| 01:20.59 | tech9iner | pish nixuser |
| 01:21.03 | DoppelGanger | np nixuser |
| 01:21.09 | tech9iner | DoppelGanger lol |
| 01:21.11 | dvs | lazy bum |
| 01:21.36 | DoppelGanger | i like taking credit for sloth |
| 01:21.58 | tech9iner | hehe.. dpkg** tell ?? about the book 'how to influence..' hehe |
| 01:22.09 | tech9iner | rofl |
| 01:22.15 | tech9iner | your killn me DoppelGanger hehe |
| 01:22.23 | sparr_ | maher: ok, now how do i make /usr/bin/cc point to gcc 2.95 without modifying stuff provided by packages? |
| 01:22.34 | tech9iner | hehe |
| 01:22.48 | dvs | sparr_: Have you done "ls -l /usr/bin/cc"? |
| 01:22.58 | maher | sparr_: set CC= in the makefile usually works but you can also change the symlink... |
| 01:23.07 | sparr_ | dvs: yes, it points to the alternatives 'cc', which itself points to /usr/bin/gcc, which points to /usr/bin/gcc-4.0 |
| 01:23.11 | maher | !find libtcl8.3.so |
| 01:23.17 | tech9iner | coolness.. who sent me the helpful dpkg? bit?>. thanks whomever |
| 01:23.18 | sparr_ | maher: i dont want to change the symlink, that will confuse packages later |
| 01:23.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libtcl8.3.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so) in devel/tcl8.3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so.1) in interpreters/tcl8.3. |
| 01:23.20 | dvs | sparr_: so... |
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| 01:23.38 | sparr_ | dvs: so if there was an alternatives for gcc that listed versions, this would be easy |
| 01:23.39 | maher | sparr_: that's why setting CC=gcc-whatever is beter |
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| 01:23.53 | tech9iner | maher thanks muchly guv ;] |
| 01:24.15 | tech9iner | didnt realize i could do provides search via the infamous Dpkg ;] |
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| 01:24.25 | dvs | dpkg is lazy |
| 01:24.31 | maher | tech9iner: or use packages.debian.org |
| 01:24.55 | tech9iner | thanks again maher .. major karma acct deposit no doubt ;] |
| 01:25.06 | sparr_ | maher: thanks for the help. turns out this code wont work with gcc 2.95, 3.3, or4.0, so im lost |
| 01:26.01 | maher | sparr_: you should really fix the code then - look for random versions off gcc in archive/snapshot.debian.org |
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| 01:27.51 | meri | listen - Jewel - Pieces of You - |
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| 01:29.18 | myo | can i use iptables in debian ? |
| 01:29.31 | DoppelGanger | no |
| 01:29.34 | DoppelGanger | its evil |
| 01:29.35 | DoppelGanger | run |
| 01:29.37 | DoppelGanger | he eh |
| 01:29.41 | DoppelGanger | myo: doh |
| 01:29.45 | deadcat | !tell DoppelGanger about enter |
| 01:29.50 | DoppelGanger | gah |
| 01:29.51 | myo | um |
| 01:30.04 | Phroziac | Hey, i'm running sarge stable, and it seems i just managed to crash either KDE or xfree. My windowing system completely died and i had to alt+ctrl+backspace. I think that's a little weird, because of the way debian stable is setup. So, what logs would i need to look at to find out what happened? |
| 01:30.10 | Phroziac | and is KDE considered userspace? |
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| 01:30.24 | myo | DoppelGanger: Debian only run ipfwadm ? |
| 01:30.30 | dondelelcaro | Phroziac: if it doesn't run in the kernel it's userspace |
| 01:30.34 | maher | Phroziac: look in the x log in /var/log |
| 01:30.38 | myo | iptables is latest. |
| 01:30.40 | myo | isnt it ? |
| 01:30.59 | DoppelGanger | myo: i was joking of course you can use iptables mate |
| 01:31.24 | myo | DoppelGanger: heeee |
| 01:31.39 | Phroziac | whats really weird is in 3.1-testing, i never managed to crash the windowing system. yet i pulled it off on stable :D |
| 01:32.03 | DoppelGanger | Phroziac: congrats X crashes wow hooray for you, we bow before your greatness :) |
| 01:32.11 | Phroziac | don't be a dick :( |
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| 01:32.32 | Phroziac | anyway, 1 minute of downtime. zomgwtfbbq. didn't really hurt me at all. |
| 01:32.54 | animall | anyone tried Sarge on a 233 or slower with 64mb ram or less? |
| 01:32.57 | DoppelGanger | /var/log/ has the logs and some other interesting stuff |
| 01:33.36 | Phroziac | animall: i have! |
| 01:33.57 | animall | Phroziac, how well did it run? |
| 01:34.05 | animall | im getting ready to zap my wife's laptop |
| 01:34.07 | tech9iner | ok dMates.. ;[ |
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| 01:34.16 | Phroziac | animall: I have Sarge installed on a p1mmx 233, 32mb ram. I don't have much more then the base system installed, and i can't figure out a use for it, but it runs very nicely. |
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| 01:34.26 | animall | ok thnx |
| 01:34.27 | tech9iner | aparently sarge already has tcl8.4 onboard in core |
| 01:34.38 | Phroziac | animall: but apparently its really easy to damage cdrom drives moving, and i busted the cdrom. |
| 01:35.00 | quittt | is there a way to make a fake ip? |
| 01:35.08 | sparr_ | It boggles the mind how seven different people could suggest I purchase an SB Live card to eliminate my audio mixing problems and not one of them mentioned that the most common SB Live card available does not offer hardware mixing. |
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| 01:35.32 | michaelooo | i have apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade from sarge to sid and i receive an error about base-config ?? |
| 01:35.33 | kofj | quittt, multiple proxy |
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| 01:35.47 | tech9iner | but no tcl8.4-dev .. so pondering.. if i need 'libtcl8.3.so' for this installer.. would installing via synaptic the tcl8.4-dev possibly meet this requirement mates? |
| 01:35.48 | Skiflyer | is there a way to get a rough estimate of the progress of gzip? |
| 01:35.52 | lvdsn | hello |
| 01:35.55 | fiveiron | i'm getting "boot failed" when trying to boot debian from the floppy installer... anyone ever encounter this? |
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| 01:36.01 | Phroziac | animall: the only thing i have done remotely useful is run ssh over the lan to it, and IRC off it with irssi, which actually works pretty nicely. and i hope you aren't planning on running x11 on that. |
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| 01:36.57 | tech9iner | or would right thinking = isntalling 'tcl8.3-dev' be best ? |
| 01:37.04 | tech9iner | or possible ? rofl |
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| 01:37.19 | tech9iner | googling hasnt proved clarifying mates.. |
| 01:37.28 | myo | DoppelGanger: will MPlayer work on Debian ? |
| 01:37.40 | myo | or there is another package for debian ? |
| 01:37.51 | Skiflyer | DoppelGanger: yes, works fine |
| 01:38.14 | Phroziac | DoppelGanger: as for your dickish comment, i know where /var/log is and what it is. I happen to just not know much about the way x11 stores logs, as some programs store multiple logs. |
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| 01:38.31 | michaelooo | /var/lib/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: sythax error near unexpected token `db_fset` |
| 01:38.45 | bucky | yay! is it Sunday yet? |
| 01:39.08 | DoppelGanger | he he i leave and ppl start calling my name |
| 01:39.09 | chealer | michaelooo: did you look at the BTS? |
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| 01:39.36 | bucky | DoppelGanger, and cussing you out ! |
| 01:39.47 | dvs | bucky: It's always Sunday in here! |
| 01:39.50 | DoppelGanger | bucky: c'est l'amour he he |
| 01:40.01 | dvs | N'est pas! |
| 01:40.08 | myo | !MPlayer |
| 01:40.08 | dpkg | somebody said mplayer was not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. |
| 01:40.11 | michaelooo | chealer: i am new to Debian ... what is BTS |
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| 01:40.18 | dvs | !bts |
| 01:40.18 | dpkg | bts is probably the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 01:40.21 | chealer | !btssmite michaelooo |
| 01:40.40 | lvdsn | does anyone install Sarge in a PAvilion dv1125LA laptop ? |
| 01:41.33 | animall | laters |
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| 01:41.41 | dvs | byes |
| 01:42.22 | myo | !hack |
| 01:42.23 | myo | :P |
| 01:42.47 | myo | !Debian Tips |
| 01:42.54 | myo | !Debian_Tips |
| 01:42.59 | myo | !debian |
| 01:42.59 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 01:43.00 | maher | myo: /msg the bot |
| 01:43.32 | fiveiron | i'm getting "boot failed" when trying to boot debian from the floppy installer... anyone ever encounter this? |
| 01:43.45 | maher | fiveiron: try another floppy |
| 01:44.09 | michaelooo | chealer: no bugs reported :( |
| 01:44.19 | chealer | michaelooo: really? |
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| 01:44.41 | michaelooo | chealer: sure ;) |
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| 01:45.03 | chealer | michaelooo: over 200000 bugs were reported to debian's BTS |
| 01:45.11 | maher | chealer: they got fixed |
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| 01:45.38 | Skiflyer | lvdsn: you're getting awfully specific, but you might find something close here http://tuxmobil.org/hp.html |
| 01:45.40 | michaelooo | i haved check on base-config and my bugs was not listed |
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| 01:46.32 | chealer | michaelooo: check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=base-config again |
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| 01:47.51 | foo | bunzip2 linux-2.6.11.1.tar.bz2 ... I usually do this, but I don't have bunzip2 installed, and apt-cache can't find it.. any ideas? |
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| 01:48.18 | dvs | !info bzip2 sarge |
| 01:48.19 | rob_lt | tar jxvf linux-2.6.11.1.tar.bz2 |
| 01:48.20 | dpkg | bzip2: (high-quality block-sorting file compressor - utilities), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.0.2-7 (sarge), Packaged size: 227 kB, Installed size: 504 kB |
| 01:48.35 | dvs | !find bunzip2 sarge |
| 01:48.42 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bunzip2' (1): (/usr/bin/bunzip2) in utils/bzip2. |
| 01:49.08 | evilsporkman | question about GDB/MI syntax...I'm trying to set a breakpoint on a given line in a file with spaces in the name, and I can't determine the correct syntax. With the normal interpreter, it's 'break "foo bar.cpp":34', but '--break-insert "foo bar.cpp":34' seems to break the MI parser. |
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| 01:50.33 | michaelooo | chealer: AHH i found the bugs and the way to correct them !! thanks a lot !!! |
| 01:50.41 | spermie | any good debian install guides? |
| 01:51.00 | karsten | spermie: Yes. TFM |
| 01:51.09 | tech9iner | any clues appreciated mates.. lexmark cups driver installer feeding me... |
| 01:51.22 | tech9iner | ''' ./lexinstall: error while loading shared libraries: libtcl8.3.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory The program returned an error code (127) ''' |
| 01:51.33 | tech9iner | so.. begs.. |
| 01:51.42 | tech9iner | since core includes tcl8.4.. |
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| 01:51.45 | dvs | !find libtcl8.3.so sarge |
| 01:51.49 | karsten | tech9iner: aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search libtcl8.3.so |
| 01:51.51 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libtcl8.3.so' (2): (/usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so) in devel/tcl8.3-dev ;; (/usr/lib/libtcl8.3.so.1) in interpreters/tcl8.3. |
| 01:51.52 | chealer | ew, lexmark... |
| 01:51.56 | karsten | !tell tech9iner about search |
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| 01:52.06 | chealer | tech9iner: are these free drivers? |
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| 01:52.16 | dvs | tech9iner: Seems like tcl8.3-dev has it |
| 01:52.45 | tech9iner | should i install tcl8.3-dev then?.. no harm / destablizaton to tcl8.4 etc etc ? |
| 01:53.22 | tech9iner | chealer guessing yes guv.. trusted 3 yr mentor here emailed it to my doomarse earlier today .. |
| 01:53.43 | tech9iner | chealer you needing to use one of these POS AIO lexmarks too ? |
| 01:54.10 | tech9iner | karsten thanks guv ;] |
| 01:54.12 | chealer | tech9iner: no, I'm just surprised debian doesn't have the drivers if they're free |
| 01:54.29 | tech9iner | its all bout lexmark more than debian chealer .. ;[.. |
| 01:54.44 | chealer | I don't really understand you first reply message though |
| 01:55.24 | tech9iner | chealer you needing to use one of these PcOfSh!^ AllInnOne lexmarks too ? mobetter chum?.. Mea Culpa! |
| 01:55.52 | maher | tech9iner: did you see http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=49714 |
| 01:55.59 | dvs | tech9iner: No thanks. Too much $$$ for supplies |
| 01:56.17 | tech9iner | nada maher .. readn up now.. thanks muchly |
| 01:56.18 | spermie | karsten didnt i make my self clear enough? or are ur eyes to occupied on those gay porn seaRches? |
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| 01:57.00 | chealer | tech9iner: I didn't understand those abbreviations neither, but I was referring to "guv.. trusted 3 yr mentor here emailed it to my doomarse earlier today .." |
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| 01:57.11 | JasonF | dpkg: testing |
| 01:57.11 | dpkg | testing is probably a release phase between frozen and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
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| 01:57.54 | karsten | spermie: In the event _I_ didn't make myself clear enough, Debian comes with an excellent install manual. Read the short bit at the end, then if you need it, dive into the specific portion that you need help on. |
| 01:58.01 | chealer | !tell JasonF about msg the bot |
| 01:58.02 | StereoSkit | dudes a question, i have a HD with data (only data, not OS) and i want to partition it without losing the data, is there a way to do it? if so, how? |
| 01:58.06 | karsten | spermie: The stock netinst is pretty damned good. |
| 01:58.22 | sparr_ | wonder of wonders, i have a emu10k1-based sb live sitting on my office floor |
| 01:58.23 | karsten | StereoSkit: You've got mutually opposed goals. |
| 01:58.29 | tech9iner | chealer rofl.. fair enough .. guv = guv'nor.. chap.. chum.. whatever.. ;].. doomarse = Me! [pronounced dumbass ;].. any other questions? ;].. just blame it on me.. my exwives an adult kids do.. ;];] |
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| 01:58.57 | karsten | StereoSkit: However, partitioning doesn't overwrite data, it changes the partition table. IIRC the section from byte 512-1024 or so of your disk. |
| 01:59.12 | maher | StereoSkit: try parted or qtparted |
| 01:59.17 | chealer | tech9iner: thanks, that will do...at least until your next message |
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| 01:59.21 | karsten | StereoSkit: There are a number of repartitioning tools. as maher suggests. |
| 01:59.45 | JasonF | I've got a sarge install, trying to convert over to testing -- when I just substitute "stable" for "testing" (like I used to do with woody-->sarge)... I get that some stuff is missing on an update -- is there a sources.list for etch that I can plug in to update to it? |
| 02:00.04 | tech9iner | rofl chealer .. wait a damn minute.. am i SUPPosed to laugh at that?.. hmmmmm... lol |
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| 02:01.13 | zepeuga | is there any way/program to test if my cpu its working well ? because when it's "thinking" too much it crashes sucessively... |
| 02:01.23 | mfrisch | JasonF try another source |
| 02:01.32 | StereoSkit | any idea? the HD fs is reiserfs |
| 02:01.34 | dvs | zepeuga: Test your RAM first |
| 02:01.43 | zepeuga | dvs, how ? |
| 02:01.48 | JasonF | mfrisch: this is all that's in it now... deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main |
| 02:01.49 | Lumiere | does anyone around know how to configure an ice1724 based sound card? |
| 02:01.50 | dvs | apt-get install memtest86+ |
| 02:01.51 | JasonF | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US testing/non-US main |
| 02:02.11 | lanakzzz | its not possible to update the kernel without restarting right? |
| 02:02.27 | chealer | zepeuga: would it overheat? |
| 02:02.33 | dvs | lanakzzz: nope |
| 02:02.33 | litage | is it possible to mount a directory or partition from boxA on boxB without nfs, samba, etc? eg something like: mount user@boxA:/path/ /mnt/boxA/ |
| 02:02.37 | chealer | lanakzzz: no |
| 02:02.45 | mfrisch | JasonF try another source?!? |
| 02:02.50 | lanakzzz | ok thanks |
| 02:02.51 | zepeuga | chealer, yes, i think it is hot |
| 02:02.54 | dondelelcaro | litage: you need some sort of transport mechanism |
| 02:02.59 | maher | litage: you can do it over ssh with sshfs / shfs |
| 02:03.10 | dondelelcaro | bits don't magically move from one box to another |
| 02:03.28 | chealer | zepeuga: if you suspect that's the problem, cpuburn/lm-sensors may help you |
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| 02:03.58 | zepeuga | chealer, after seeing if it is the RAM, i'll go there |
| 02:04.06 | giojotoca | hello |
| 02:04.08 | StereoSkit | karsten, maher thank you very much d00ds |
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| 02:04.19 | giojotoca | good nigth |
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| 02:04.51 | litage | thanks dondelelcaro and maher |
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| 02:05.12 | chealer | tech9iner: what specific printer are you dealing with? |
| 02:05.32 | Mr_Rock | hi i have a problem with debian sarge |
| 02:06.09 | zepeuga | dvs, i've installed it, but there's any "memtest86" command |
| 02:06.22 | dvs | zepeuga: Try rebooting. |
| 02:06.48 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 02:06.53 | zepeuga | dvs, ok brb |
| 02:06.59 | Mr_Rock | help! |
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| 02:07.05 | abrotman | ask |
| 02:07.09 | StereoSkit | zepeuga: memtest takes a loooooot of time |
| 02:07.19 | StereoSkit | to finish its analysis |
| 02:07.30 | zepeuga | how many "loooot" ? :D |
| 02:07.50 | mfrisch | hours |
| 02:08.01 | StereoSkit | heh, really a lot, in a PIII 600Mhz, over 3 hours (for 128MB ram) |
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| 02:08.16 | zepeuga | oh! ok |
| 02:08.16 | tech9iner | chealer lexmark AIO x4270 model |
| 02:08.34 | dvs | StereoSkit: Ouch! 15mins with 2GHz P4 |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | Mr_Rock: you have to ask |
| 02:08.48 | StereoSkit | dvs: omg! |
| 02:08.53 | Mr_Rock | i've finished to install debian sarge but the controller for my video card is not on thelist |
| 02:08.53 | zepeuga | chealer, "cpuburn" its for testing CPU ? |
| 02:08.54 | chealer | tech9iner: ok, I have no clue |
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| 02:09.03 | chealer | zepeuga: it's to heat it |
| 02:09.03 | mfrisch | dvs really, how long to compile kernel? |
| 02:09.04 | StereoSkit | dvs: i have a crappy old pc :( |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | Mr_Rock: what is it ? |
| 02:09.05 | dvs | StereoSkit: With 2GB of memory |
| 02:09.13 | StereoSkit | lol |
| 02:09.21 | dvs | mfrisch: About 10 minutes. |
| 02:09.40 | tech9iner | chealer about? you mean no clue what printer ? or no clue bout wtf to do bout drivers for it? |
| 02:09.41 | mfrisch | dvs 1.5 hours hhm |
| 02:09.45 | Mr_Rock | excuse my english i'm from chile xD |
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| 02:09.52 | abrotman | !es |
| 02:09.52 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 02:10.00 | dvs | mfrisch: That's nuts! |
| 02:10.13 | StereoSkit | heh yo soy de Peru \o/ |
| 02:10.19 | mfrisch | dvs only if it doesn't boot! |
| 02:10.27 | Mr_Rock | i have truble cause debian doesn't recognize my video card |
| 02:10.35 | maher | Mr_Rock: what card |
| 02:10.56 | Mr_Rock | with the graphic controllers |
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| 02:11.10 | ice_1963 | make |
| 02:11.13 | dvs | mfrisch: It usually takes 2 or 3 tries for me if I change an option |
| 02:11.19 | Mr_Rock | is not on the list |
| 02:11.25 | StereoSkit | Mr_Rock: maher ment, wich brand/model of video card |
| 02:11.41 | Mr_Rock | intel 845 |
| 02:11.52 | abrotman | Mr_Rock: i810 or i830 |
| 02:11.59 | Mr_Rock | 845 |
| 02:12.00 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:12.11 | StereoSkit | dudes, lets bring debconf 8 to macchu picchu :P |
| 02:12.21 | Mr_Rock | that's what it said |
| 02:12.45 | chealer | !i845 |
| 02:12.45 | dpkg | somebody said i845 was see i830 |
| 02:12.45 | nightcrawler | hi |
| 02:12.54 | maher | Mr_Rock: yes- but try using either the i810 or i830 driver |
| 02:12.57 | nightcrawler | whats debian? |
| 02:13.00 | mfrisch | dvs I couldn't get fb to work my last compile, probally not going to fix it :-) love the /proc/config.gz option |
| 02:13.10 | chealer | nightcrawler: ask wikipedia |
| 02:13.28 | Mr_Rock | maher i allready tried with that |
| 02:13.32 | Mr_Rock | and it doesn't works |
| 02:13.33 | abrotman | !debian |
| 02:13.34 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 02:14.23 | Mr_Rock | what can i do??? |
| 02:14.30 | abrotman | choose i830 |
| 02:14.38 | Mr_Rock | are you sure? |
| 02:14.40 | maher | Mr_Rock: use i830 - what errors do you get |
| 02:14.46 | dondelelcaro | StereoSkit: if you want to sponsor it and organize it, it can be done. Just a hint: it takes a few thousand man-hours to do. |
| 02:15.23 | StereoSkit | dondelelcaro: its a work that can be done |
| 02:15.41 | Wettoad | did the default value of MALLOC_CHECK change in sid? I have a custom program that bails on a free now. |
| 02:15.47 | maher | StereoSkit: machu picchu isn't the easiest place to get to... |
| 02:15.47 | Mr_Rock | maher it says that i cannot start the graphic part |
| 02:15.59 | maher | Mr_Rock: what are the EE errors |
| 02:16.06 | StereoSkit | in debianperu.org we are organizing a lot os distribution, talks, in the whole country,,,, ne step at the time :D |
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| 02:16.21 | maher | StereoSkit: and it has rubbish internet access... |
| 02:16.31 | Mr_Rock | mmm look i'm in win98 now let me start linux and i'll comeback |
| 02:16.32 | nightcrawler | so debian is like another distro? |
| 02:16.48 | mfrisch | maher satelite maybe? |
| 02:16.53 | StereoSkit | maher: yes, u you are right... but wouldny it be awesome! |
| 02:17.05 | Mr_Rock | hey maher is this command ok?? dpkg-reconfigure x server-xfree86 |
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| 02:17.10 | StereoSkit | hacking next to magnificent views :D |
| 02:17.19 | maher | StereoSkit: machu picchu is amazing - just not a good place for a conference... |
| 02:17.28 | maher | Mr_Rock: yes |
| 02:17.40 | Mr_Rock | why it says that is wrong?? |
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| 02:17.50 | tech9iner | dammit.. |
| 02:17.56 | tech9iner | of all the apps i use.. |
| 02:17.59 | Mr_Rock | somethnig is not working on my computer maybe |
| 02:18.00 | StereoSkit | maher: i guess |
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| 02:18.05 | amphi | Mr_Rock: xserver-xfree86 |
| 02:18.10 | Mr_Rock | ok |
| 02:18.16 | tech9iner | one that exasparates me on occasion |
| 02:18.26 | tech9iner | is believe it or not |
| 02:18.27 | tech9iner | xmms |
| 02:18.39 | tech9iner | hate how its designed where one opens it.. |
| 02:18.39 | maher | StereoSkit: pick a town on the north coast where there's decent surfing... |
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| 02:18.44 | nightcrawler | is debian better than ubuntu? |
| 02:18.55 | tech9iner | and it appears' on top and in os focus |
| 02:18.56 | Mr_Rock | hey another thing it says that i can visit this web www.debian.org/bugs/reporting what's that??? |
| 02:18.56 | tech9iner | but |
| 02:19.01 | dvs | !start a distrib war |
| 02:19.02 | chealer | nightcrawler: try asking #distro-trolling |
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| 02:19.06 | tech9iner | if one wants to immediately close it |
| 02:19.18 | StereoSkit | maher: yes Mancora for example, it is beatifull and of course a lot of beatiful chix, outdoor life and surfing too |
| 02:19.27 | tech9iner | alt-f4 closes last focused pane / app beneath it visually? |
| 02:19.32 | tech9iner | weird chit mates |
| 02:19.33 | nightcrawler | lol |
| 02:19.44 | Mr_Rock | another thing it says that i can visit this web www.debian.org/bugs/reporting what's that??? |
| 02:19.47 | tech9iner | all other panes dont.. sans xmms |
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| 02:19.55 | chealer | tech9iner: one app that can exasperate is any IRC client when people in the room overuse their enter key |
| 02:20.19 | chealer | Mr_Rock: do you know what's a computer bug? |
| 02:20.22 | tech9iner | and your point would be chealer ?? |
| 02:20.25 | Mr_Rock | no |
| 02:20.32 | Mr_Rock | cause i'm new in all thia |
| 02:20.34 | chealer | !tell tech9iner about enter |
| 02:20.36 | Mr_Rock | this |
| 02:20.53 | tech9iner | aha |
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| 02:21.06 | chealer | Mr_Rock: it's an error in software. maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer%20bug can help you |
| 02:21.16 | tech9iner | in that case.. Mea Culpa! and thanks for the headsup chealer .. on irc for 3 yrs never even told this.. thanks |
| 02:21.44 | chealer | tech9iner: hehe. this channel has over 700 people...most of the time |
| 02:22.18 | tech9iner | more than fair .. realistic even chealer ;] |
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| 02:23.50 | chealer | Mr_Rock: anyway, what X is telling you is how to help debian if there's a problem in the software |
| 02:24.17 | Mr_Rock | ok |
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| 02:24.46 | morbius | how can i tell which devices are my cdroms? |
| 02:25.07 | Mr_Rock | so, if i cant start with the I830 i cannot use debian?? |
| 02:25.08 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 02:25.17 | Mr_Rock | what should i do in that case? |
| 02:25.31 | chealer | Mr_Rock: try vesa |
| 02:25.36 | Mr_Rock | vesa?? |
| 02:25.39 | Mr_Rock | ok |
| 02:25.44 | chealer | hum I'm not sure |
| 02:25.50 | chealer | are you talking about X drivers? |
| 02:25.56 | dvs | the world's most accepted "card" |
| 02:26.05 | Mr_Rock | no the graphic card |
| 02:26.15 | mfrisch | vesa works on my laptop fine |
| 02:26.43 | chealer | when vesa doesn't work you can complain |
| 02:26.57 | happy_broccoli | is there a way in shell to create all parent dirs of a given file that you cp |
| 02:27.14 | Mr_Rock | ok another thing that i should try? |
| 02:27.35 | chealer | Mr_Rock: did it work with vesa? |
| 02:27.45 | Mr_Rock | no |
| 02:27.56 | chealer | did it do the same problem? |
| 02:28.01 | Mr_Rock | yes |
| 02:28.06 | Mr_Rock | what it means that? |
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| 02:28.37 | Mr_Rock | it's mi motherboard the problem? |
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| 02:29.05 | tech9iner | last ? mates.. bout this lexmark cups driver isntaller demanding 'libtcl8.3.so' from tcl8.3-dev.. just install the dev?... or doth one need the tcl8.3 And tcl8.3-dev ? |
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| 02:29.33 | chealer | Mr_Rock: you have to tell us the errors that X shows when you try using vesa if you want us to help you |
| 02:29.40 | mfrisch | Mr_Rock are you trying a realistic video rate?? |
| 02:30.01 | Mr_Rock | realistic video rate?? --- what's that?? |
| 02:30.27 | mfrisch | 800x600 24 |
| 02:30.27 | Guerin | !hwinfo |
| 02:30.27 | dpkg | i heard hwinfo is your friend, apt-get install hwinfo then try "hwinfo --monitor" to detect your monitor refresh rates, or "hwinfo --framebuffer" to get VESA mode lines (in hexedecimal) for use with vga=XXX framebuffer consoles |
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| 02:30.33 | Mr_Rock | chealer i'll write the error that tells me ok? |
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| 02:30.42 | secher | Heyas all, I've tried to install mysql-admin (I'm running unstable), and it says it needs libwxgtk2.4-python, however, that package has been replaced by wxpython2.4-1. How do I, or even *can* I reconcile this dependency error? I know with some libs you can make a symlink, but I cannot seem to find the .so for wxpython, only the package files and a text file in /usr/share/menu, the docs and package info. Help? |
| 02:30.44 | xbmodder | anyone here have orkut? |
| 02:30.47 | mfrisch | go up from there |
| 02:30.48 | Mr_Rock | mfrisch yes |
| 02:31.39 | Guerin | secher: just wait |
| 02:31.42 | happy_broccoli | is there a way in shell to create all parent dirs of a given file that you cp |
| 02:31.51 | Guerin | secher: sid is self-healing |
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| 02:32.06 | Guerin | happy_broccoli: cp -r or cp -a |
| 02:32.11 | meppl | gute nacht - good night |
| 02:32.45 | happy_broccoli | Guerin: no, that just took the file |
| 02:32.51 | Mr_Rock | chealer iwill write the error and i'll come back |
| 02:33.07 | secher | Guerin, I have been waiting, it's been 2 weeks. there should be a .so for wxpython, should there not be? |
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| 02:34.27 | morbius | how do i figure out where my cdroms are? |
| 02:34.47 | secher | morbius: look in your cdrom drawer. |
| 02:34.49 | lilldude | lock around house there be cdroms some were |
| 02:34.49 | secher | <grin> |
| 02:34.53 | dvs | morbius: dmesg |
| 02:35.07 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 02:35.30 | morbius | ty dvs |
| 02:35.42 | dvs | morbius: abrotman said this earlier |
| 02:35.47 | abrotman | dmesg |
| 02:35.51 | morbius | didn't see, sry abrotman |
| 02:35.52 | dvs | see? |
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| 02:37.10 | ice_1963 | that's to good lol :0) |
| 02:37.14 | mfrisch | anybody know a good streaming video service provider |
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| 02:37.32 | grendal_prime | what is the fastest simplest wm available? |
| 02:37.39 | grendal_prime | i need to just run a firefox |
| 02:37.53 | mfrisch | fluxbox?? |
| 02:38.04 | grendal_prime | i have a crapload of p200's |
| 02:38.20 | tech9iner | dammit |
| 02:38.21 | dvs | grendal_prime: I've heard xfce is a good balance |
| 02:38.22 | grendal_prime | i mean literally....boot machine load firefox..whammo thats it |
| 02:38.30 | grendal_prime | im running that... |
| 02:38.30 | ice_1963 | p266 |
| 02:39.07 | ice_1963 | 28xp amd |
| 02:39.10 | morbius | ok, i found its mounted to /media/cdrom but i put a cdrom in there and i cd to the directory and ls but i see nothing |
| 02:39.12 | mfrisch | grendal_prime there are kiosk iso's |
| 02:39.22 | lilldude | needa socket a mobo i in canada |
| 02:39.29 | dvs | morbius: You gotta mount it first |
| 02:39.41 | grendal_prime | mfrisch, any recommendations on them? |
| 02:39.46 | dvs | morbius: You're new to Linux, aren't you? |
| 02:39.59 | ice_1963 | nOOOOOOOOOOOO |
| 02:40.04 | Servo888 | Does the latest sshd use SHA2 encryption or SHA1? |
| 02:40.09 | mfrisch | grendal_prime let me google... |
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| 02:40.25 | grendal_prime | well ill look..i was just wondering if you had used any |
| 02:40.53 | tech9iner | sorry mates.. but how do i use the dep search part of dpkg again please? |
| 02:41.15 | secher | tech9iner: man dpkg |
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| 02:41.30 | shmloe | What does the kernel-image mean when it has -smp on it? |
| 02:41.44 | tech9iner | shmloe dual cpu os |
| 02:41.48 | dvs | shmloe: For multiprocessors or HT |
| 02:41.58 | shmloe | dvs: so it's better to use those? |
| 02:42.14 | dvs | shmloe: If your computer can handle it. |
| 02:42.21 | shmloe | thx |
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| 02:43.04 | streuner | !search |
| 02:43.05 | dpkg | well, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>, or apt-cache search <search terms> |
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| 02:44.09 | mfrisch | grendal_prime not finding them, I think it is a live-cd. Mozilla has plugins for kiosk. mozdev.org |
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| 02:44.37 | grendal_prime | i found a few...none are looking all that great though |
| 02:44.55 | grendal_prime | i guess i could just do a base install..and then just add mozilla |
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| 02:45.39 | grendal_prime | or something like tinylinux |
| 02:46.23 | LinuxNIT-laptop | how do you set acpi settings? such as time before it suspends etc? |
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| 02:47.42 | Bob_ | I (accidently) trashed /usr on my sarge running computer, is there any way to recover from this (apart from making regular backups ... :) ) ? |
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| 02:47.57 | grendal_prime | kiosktool....heheh package in debian |
| 02:48.14 | mfrisch | grendal_prime just strip down base install add X wm moz |
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| 02:49.04 | mfrisch | grendal_prime what are they for? |
| 02:49.13 | Nooks_ | how can I use the hd-media installer for sarge? |
| 02:49.35 | grendal_prime | ya...here is something cool to matchbox |
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| 02:49.54 | grendal_prime | for systems with limited resources...odd shaped screens as well |
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| 02:50.18 | grendal_prime | ummm well have built complete inventory management system based on apache and postgresql. |
| 02:50.24 | mfrisch | grendal_prime what are they for? you could do thin clients |
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| 02:51.03 | grendal_prime | works nice...but would like to keep down some overhead so was going to use antiquated equip that is sitting in my closet for the clietn ends |
| 02:52.11 | beeblebrox87 | i am using the sarge "dhcp" package but /var/lib/dhcpd.leases does not get updated when a machine gets a new dhcp lease |
| 02:53.16 | grendal_prime | ya see with xfce and these machines....takes 45 seconds to launch mozilla firefox |
| 02:53.37 | grendal_prime | once launched it works resonably well.. |
| 02:53.42 | foo | Hmm, when I halt on my debian laptop it ends with "Power down." or something ... any ideas on why it doesn't just turn off? |
| 02:53.45 | grendal_prime | but you know... |
| 02:53.46 | beeblebrox87 | erm, /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases i mean |
| 02:53.59 | grendal_prime | look into acpi foo |
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| 02:55.34 | zero-1 | excuse is any of you runing quake 3 arena under debian 3.1 sarge? |
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| 02:56.12 | zero-1 | i have a problem when i start the game |
| 02:56.13 | Solet` | is setting up debian on a laptop much different from setting up linux on a desktop? |
| 02:56.16 | zero-1 | xserver restarts |
| 02:57.37 | zero-1 | no Solet it isnt |
| 02:57.41 | lilldude | sarge and fluxbox here on my lap top |
| 02:57.47 | ice_1963 | the game i play is bzflag |
| 02:57.56 | myo | i'm off laterz |
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| 02:58.13 | sparr_ | ok, i found a sound card with an emu10k1 so i have hardware mixing, hooray. one last problem, how can i turn off mic->speakers, so i dont hear myself when i talk into the mic? |
| 02:58.33 | lilldude | mute palyback |
| 02:58.40 | dvs | mute the mic |
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| 02:58.52 | zero-1 | I was able to run quake before, and i had the same problem, the thing is that after i installed xmule and all of its components from dselect it started runing |
| 02:59.00 | tech9iner | so debMates.. |
| 02:59.15 | Solet` | hrm... |
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| 02:59.43 | lilldude | sparr what card? |
| 02:59.44 | dvs | !usbkey |
| 02:59.47 | dondelelcaro | Solet`: rip out the harddrive and install |
| 02:59.48 | tech9iner | asking me for printer port for manual USB lexmark x4270 AIO printer.. could that be dmesg's ' partport0 ' perchance? |
| 02:59.50 | dvs | darn! |
| 02:59.52 | lilldude | solet net install |
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| 03:00.08 | dvs | lilldude: You have to start the install somehow. |
| 03:00.13 | Solet` | lilldude need something to start |
| 03:00.23 | Solet` | dondelelcaro: dont have another lappy |
| 03:00.26 | lilldude | take it over nother pc |
| 03:00.32 | Solet` | and no conversion do do it with a desktop |
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| 03:00.38 | Solet` | lilldude: elaborate please |
| 03:00.41 | tech9iner | trying to manual configs since this lexmark installer script doesnt see the USB that dmesg does? |
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| 03:00.56 | lilldude | take it of another desktop machine |
| 03:01.02 | lilldude | then netinstal |
| 03:01.12 | lilldude | debian sight tells you how |
| 03:01.25 | lilldude | got a flopy? |
| 03:01.37 | Solet` | nopw |
| 03:01.41 | Solet` | nope* |
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| 03:01.56 | Solet` | i have usb... but i dont know if it will boot from it... lemme check bios |
| 03:02.19 | lilldude | there is way to take install file from 2nd pc |
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| 03:02.24 | orchid | ice_1963: what is your bzflag nick? |
| 03:02.26 | lilldude | and once that done netinstall |
| 03:02.33 | zero-1 | right now i dont know what to do cuasei dont what was exdacly that made it run properly |
| 03:02.36 | lilldude | read debian sight |
| 03:02.57 | Nigel | hey guys, i got a little problem, i got a Radoen 9550. When I use the TVOut function images in totem (havn't tried MPlayer yet) just come out purple |
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| 03:03.24 | Mr_Rock | i'm back |
| 03:03.39 | fish | how to compile in i686 help |
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| 03:03.58 | Nigel | but actually, I will try mplayer |
| 03:04.02 | Nigel | bbl |
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| 03:04.30 | fish | i want to compile some software with apt, but its compiling at i386 any help on changing this |
| 03:04.31 | Solet` | i have an external hdd enclosure... its ata133... will plugging a cd bay into that and then running it through usb work? |
| 03:04.39 | Mr_Rock | chealer the error is this: ext3-fs warning:mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended |
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| 03:05.21 | peterS | fish: is there a problem with that? |
| 03:05.21 | deadcat | is there known problem running the linuxq3ademo-1.11-6.x86.gz.sh with gcc4 or maybe? |
| 03:05.22 | lilldude | hell yah solet |
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| 03:05.30 | lilldude | make it boot first in bios |
| 03:05.38 | fish | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:05.50 | peterS | fish: what manner of pentium have you got? just out of curiosity |
| 03:05.53 | SATA_Problem | anybody knows if there is a way to recognize my nForce3 SATA disk with the installer for AMD64? |
| 03:05.59 | fish | pIII |
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| 03:06.33 | fish | I have a i686 kernel, which is great, but Im not sure how to set my compile optioin defaults peet_ |
| 03:06.33 | peterS | fish: you should also know the usual debian philosophy on these things: chip-specific optimisations are useless for all but a very small minority of software |
| 03:06.41 | Solet` | hrm... maybe usb jump drive... |
| 03:06.57 | fish | right thats why im using it on apt, and the kernel , and my wm |
| 03:07.19 | peterS | fish: you can try installing and configuring the pentium-builder package. I have never used it so I don't know how it works, but it is designed to apply specific optimisation flags by default to the compiler |
| 03:07.23 | Mr_Rock | somebody can help me with this error??????? |
| 03:07.27 | lilldude | yeah that work solet tehn net install |
| 03:07.37 | fish | good idea peterS forgot about that |
| 03:07.56 | beeblebrox87 | could somebody using dhcpd on sarge tell me whether there is anything other than comments in their /var/lib/dhcp/dhcpd.leases ? |
| 03:08.06 | SATA_Problem | I read that "libata" have a problem in kernel 2.6.8 (the amd64 installer kernel) and that it's fixed in 2.6.10 |
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| 03:08.52 | fish | there is no option to change thought that you know of , my debian bible is in the mail :) |
| 03:08.55 | SATA_Problem | but in 2.6.8 it's possible to use the old ide-sata driver, if it's there... |
| 03:09.12 | peterS | beeblebrox87: /var/lib/dhcp or /var/lib/dhcp3? |
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| 03:09.41 | peterS | beeblebrox87: I run dhcp3-server and it has a /var/lib/dhcp3/dhcpd.leases file with some entries in it |
| 03:10.02 | Mr_Rock | please anybody can tell me what it means this??? ext3-fs warning:mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended |
| 03:10.12 | beeblebrox87 | i've tried both dhcp and dhcp3-server and neither creates any entries in my /var/lib/dhcp*/dhcpd.leases file |
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| 03:10.17 | beeblebrox87 | any idea what might be wrong? |
| 03:11.17 | lilldude | night |
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| 03:11.41 | tech9iner | trying to manual configs since this lexmark installer script doesnt see the USB that dmesg does? |
| 03:11.50 | peterS | beeblebrox87: shrug, works for me. I'm on unstable but I don't remember it *not* working in the past |
| 03:11.55 | beeblebrox87 | peterS: does your dhcpd.conf mention the location of the leases file or anything? |
| 03:12.01 | tech9iner | asking me for printer port for manual USB lexmark x4270 AIO printer.. could that be dmesg's ' partport0 ' perchance? or maybe ' lp0 ' ?.. |
| 03:12.03 | tech9iner | arrrrgh! ;[ |
| 03:12.11 | peterS | beeblebrox87: no |
| 03:12.13 | tech9iner | well it damn sure didnt like 'lp0' there |
| 03:12.26 | fish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.33 | peterS | fish: type 'locales' |
| 03:12.35 | tech9iner | just dropped me right out of the installer script.. |
| 03:12.38 | peterS | errr, 'locale' |
| 03:12.59 | SATA_Problem | I just can't install debian-amd64 on my machine because it can't find my SATA HD |
| 03:13.00 | tech9iner | what is typical printer port syntax on sarge for a USB bi-directional printer please? |
| 03:13.01 | SATA_Problem | :( |
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| 03:13.29 | adsadsad | which packages is needed to detect hardware and relative drivers? |
| 03:13.34 | StereoSkit | hmmm parted only works with ext2, ext3, swap, and FAT :/ |
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| 03:13.57 | streuner | tech9iner: /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 03:13.57 | rking | speaking of locales, why, when my LC_ALL=de_DE.UTF-8, does ls --help not translate to German? |
| 03:13.58 | peterS | StereoSkit: that's ok, nobody uses jfs, xfs, reiserfs or ufs anyway |
| 03:13.59 | NetDC | I use "tc filter add dev eth1 parent 1: protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip dst 172.16.3.125 flowid 1:11" to clear this filter ,but it clear all my filters, why? |
| 03:14.06 | ice_1963 | is firestarter a good firewall |
| 03:14.15 | zero-1 | can anyone help me? |
| 03:14.16 | peterS | rking: maybe coreutils isn't fully translated into german? |
| 03:14.27 | StereoSkit | peterS: i have a reiserfs HD i want to partition |
| 03:14.31 | rking | peterS: that would be lameness. do you know of a pkg that is? |
| 03:14.37 | tech9iner | thanks mucly streuner.. but hpinkjet? for lexmark printer installer script? |
| 03:14.44 | xbmodder | firestarter works with IPTABLES! |
| 03:14.46 | yonkeltron | if a kernel package (kernel-image, modules-image) takes 13 minutes on a p4 2.66ghz, is that bad? |
| 03:14.46 | Bob_ | adsadsad: 'discover' or some such |
| 03:14.48 | peterS | rking: I don't speak german (well, a few words) so I really have no idea |
| 03:15.01 | streuner | tech9iner: there are examples |
| 03:15.21 | streuner | tech9iner: so do you use those binaries of lexmark? |
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| 03:16.06 | streuner | tech9iner: (installer) |
| 03:16.32 | tech9iner | streuner using driver script installer ' sh z600cups-1.0-1.gz.sh ' guru emailed me here |
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| 03:17.22 | tech9iner | streuner but its not seeing the USB printer at the installer script 'level' as it were.. even though dmesg does? |
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| 03:17.42 | tech9iner | streuner i posted it in #flood |
| 03:19.46 | ArtistAgent | what the fuck! |
| 03:19.46 | ArtistAgent | just happend |
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| 03:20.14 | streuner | tech9iner: there are installer avaiable on the lexmark website or you just try CUPS (/msg dpkg cups setup) |
| 03:20.15 | streuner | !netsplit |
| 03:20.24 | kerpen | is it possible to display some graphics in place of the text during boot-up? |
| 03:20.25 | SpinX | well if that didn't flood my client i don't know what will. . damn netsplits. |
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| 03:20.27 | dpkg | [netsplit] A deliberate disconnection between (at least) two servers on one IRC network. Usually occurs when the output-queue for the link has filled up too much to make a timely (re)sync likely, so it's preferred to maintain sanity (and lag-freeness) for both parts of the network. Occurs anywhere where links between IRC-servers have too little bandwidth (available/allocated). |
| 03:20.27 | firedemon | any help for me ? :( |
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| 03:20.28 | zero-1 | quake 3 is restarting my x server what can i do? |
| 03:20.44 | sparr_ | How can I get the sound from my mic to NOT come out my speakers? |
| 03:21.13 | SpinX | wouldn't you need another soundcard ? |
| 03:21.37 | sparr_ | why would i? |
| 03:21.42 | SpinX | i dont know |
| 03:21.48 | Agrajag- | sparr_: mute it |
| 03:21.52 | firedemon | hello? |
| 03:22.09 | kerpen | is it possible to display some graphics in place of the text during boot-up? no answer to this? |
| 03:22.17 | Guerin | kerpen: anything's possible |
| 03:22.29 | kerpen | Guerin, how then? |
| 03:22.30 | Guerin | !info splashy etch |
| 03:22.34 | sparr_ | Agrajag-: its already muted for playback in alsamixer, what else? |
| 03:22.36 | zero-1 | is anyone runing quake 3 arena on debian 3.1 sagre? i have a problem with it it restarts my xserver |
| 03:22.37 | peterS | rking: you can check the contents of the /usr/share/local/de* directories to see what supports german in some way |
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| 03:22.43 | Guerin | ~info splashy etch |
| 03:22.58 | NetDC | I want to use "tc filter add dev eth1 parent 1: protocol ip prio 1 u32 match ip dst 172.16.3.125 flowid 1:11" to clear this filter ,but it clear all my filters, why? |
| 03:23.00 | Agrajag- | sparr_: if you mute the mic, it should turn it off, shouldn't get sound out of the speakers |
| 03:23.09 | deadcat | Guerin: splashy is still experimental. |
| 03:23.15 | Guerin | anyway, i think splashy is in experiemtnal still |
| 03:23.17 | Guerin | yeh, ok |
| 03:23.19 | kerpen | Guerin, don't know what you mean. |
| 03:23.30 | orchid | zero-1: try running the game at a lower res, or in a window |
| 03:23.35 | rking | peterS: /awesome/. i was just looking for that piece of info the hard way (learning gettext - which i want to do anyhow - and trying to figure out what files it outputs, or whether it links them directly into the binaries). you rock, for a guy with capitalization in his nick. |
| 03:23.42 | adsadsad | discover will also insmod on found drivers? |
| 03:23.44 | peterS | rking: ha |
| 03:23.49 | firedemon | having a problem with a network card on my system.. I have 2 NIC's in this system and 1 onboard.. when I do a lspci, the output gives me a... 0000:00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.: Unknown device 8119 (rev 10) |
| 03:23.53 | deadcat | kerpen: install splashy.deb |
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| 03:24.12 | sparr_ | Agrajag-: should should should, linux seems to run on magic and "should" |
| 03:24.29 | Guerin | kerpen: ok. splashy is a package which can do this easily, but it's only in experimental, the 'fuck me harder' release of debian, so you don't want to use it. The other way is to build a kernel with bootsplash support, which is a big fucking hassle. |
| 03:24.32 | peterS | rking: are you saying Guerin inherently fails to rock? |
| 03:24.42 | tech9iner | thanks streuner .. Been There; Done That! ;] on the lexmark.. no luck.. this is my best bet.. simply need some manual configuration syntax help to give this 1001st attempt a chance to prove if it failure 1002 ;] |
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| 03:24.59 | Agrajag- | sparr_: well it works for me |
| 03:25.01 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:25.22 | deadcat | my linux quake3deomo bin.sh file is not starting up. what should i do? worked like 2 years ago. |
| 03:25.44 | kerpen | Guerin, deadcat, thks, basically no easy way out at the moment. I'll wait for the future to arrive. |
| 03:25.52 | Guerin | deadcat: write to id and ask them to make it free software |
| 03:25.57 | Guerin | kerpen: wise. |
| 03:26.01 | deadcat | kerpen: ya. download splash deb and install it. |
| 03:26.09 | hyperstream | how long does recompiling a kernel normaly take |
| 03:26.16 | firedemon | bleh fuck it.. useless channel |
| 03:26.17 | Guerin | kerpen: in the mean time, tape a picture of your favorite pastoral scene to the monitor while it's booting. |
| 03:26.24 | deadcat | Guerin: they gonna release the q3 source soon i think. but i just want to test q3demo. not the real thing |
| 03:26.28 | peterS | kerpen: if you boot your system like once every 3 months, like some of us do, you eventually don't feel the need for graphics at that time |
| 03:26.29 | fidget | bye fire |
| 03:26.49 | Guerin | !customer |
| 03:26.49 | dpkg | another happy customer leaves the building |
| 03:26.51 | deadcat | peterS: maybe for his laptop which he cant get sleeping to work (= |
| 03:26.59 | peterS | deadcat: heh, maybe |
| 03:26.59 | fidget | haha |
| 03:27.05 | kerpen | Guerin, peterS, I boot everyday. |
| 03:27.11 | zero-1 | i cant run quake properly :'( |
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| 03:27.43 | kerpen | Guerin, peterS, and that is as frequently as I shit. |
| 03:27.45 | tech9iner | hehe |
| 03:27.52 | hyperstream | fs/jfs/jfs_logmgr.c: In function `jfs_flush_journal': fs/jfs/jfs_logmgr.c:1632: warning: unused variable `mp' <-- is this bad? |
| 03:27.55 | peterS | kerpen: do you do that graphically too? if so, please don't share |
| 03:27.58 | tech9iner | customer.. leaves bldg... rofl |
| 03:28.00 | tech9iner | cuuute |
| 03:28.06 | fish | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:28.06 | fish | locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:28.06 | fish | locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 03:28.14 | fish | why does this happen |
| 03:28.24 | gboutwell | What is a good text-based (interactive) add-user program? |
| 03:28.25 | peterS | fish: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:28.26 | Guerin | kerpen: why/ |
| 03:28.27 | Guerin | ? |
| 03:28.33 | deadcat | gboutwell: adduser |
| 03:28.33 | kerpen | peterS, can you show me how, graphically? |
| 03:28.43 | fish | I just did peterS |
| 03:28.47 | deadcat | kerpen: camcorder |
| 03:28.54 | peterS | kerpen: I don't intend to show you anything related to defecation, thanks just the same |
| 03:28.54 | gboutwell | deadcat: I was thinking something more interactive than adduser |
| 03:29.07 | dondelelcaro | pretty hard to get more interactive than adduse |
| 03:29.12 | dondelelcaro | s/$/r/ |
| 03:29.13 | Guerin | yeah |
| 03:29.15 | deadcat | gboutwell: what the f. isnt that interactive? what else do you want... |
| 03:29.20 | deadcat | gboutwell: fucking write your own. |
| 03:29.30 | Guerin | perhaps he's confused with useradd |
| 03:29.31 | fish | when I use synaptic I get c local errors too |
| 03:29.48 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: he will have to put some useless questions on top of adduser to make it more interactive. |
| 03:30.07 | peterS | deadcat: maybe an interface to emacs M-x doctor |
| 03:30.22 | fish | (synaptic:14473): Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library. |
| 03:30.22 | fish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:30.24 | gboutwell | deadcat: Man... I guess I want something like what drakconf's user manage section or redhat's text-based usermanager provide. |
| 03:30.42 | kerpen | Enough of the shit stuff. What's the latest on this DCC? Will there be a commercial version of Debian soon? |
| 03:30.46 | deadcat | gboutwell: why not use mandrake or redhat then |
| 03:30.50 | peterS | fish: it's only LC_MESSAGES you really care about. you could just set that instead of LC_ALL |
| 03:31.07 | deadcat | kerpen: you trolling right? |
| 03:31.11 | peterS | fish: but in any case, if you configure locales correctly (with de_DE.whatever in it), everything should be happy |
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| 03:31.14 | gboutwell | deadcat: I didn't know that running debian makes me a second class citizen. |
| 03:31.16 | hyperstream | OMG i just had issues with sound being real quite. so i cranked up my headphone volume control on the wire to the back of the pc. and thought wierd then went to prfences of sound , and as soon as i selected volume, it was up max and killed my ears (shit my pants so hard :/) |
| 03:31.25 | fish | peterS, is there a gui too to do this |
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| 03:31.33 | deadcat | gboutwell: i dont know what you getting at. but i dont know what you want. |
| 03:31.40 | hyperstream | linux=scarey |
| 03:31.47 | deadcat | gboutwell: or dont run debian then. |
| 03:31.50 | kerpen | deadcat, no time for that. Seriously, I am thinking whether to continue with Debian. |
| 03:32.04 | deadcat | kerpen: flip a coin.. |
| 03:32.08 | sparr_ | I am in alsamixer on the Playback screen and the Mic channel is muted, but i can still hear myself on my own mic. Help? |
| 03:32.08 | peterS | fish: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' uses the debconf system for user input. debconf has a GUI frontend. you can get that by doing 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' and selecting it |
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| 03:32.12 | Solet` | are there any usb wifi cards that have linux drivers out of the box? |
| 03:32.20 | deadcat | Solet`: no. |
| 03:32.21 | peterS | fish: myself I never saw the use of that, but obviously someone does |
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| 03:32.53 | Guerin | kerpen: you can release a commercial version of debian if you want. SPI won't be doing so any time soon. |
| 03:32.54 | maher | Solet`: some have drivers that are supported by module-assistant |
| 03:33.03 | fish | im setting it again but it leaves one empty, I will show you it |
| 03:33.06 | kerpen | Guerin, peterS, deadcat, any of you a Debian developer? |
| 03:33.06 | Guerin | kerpen: just make sure you comply with the licenses of whatever you're distributing |
| 03:33.07 | gboutwell | deadcat: Well, adduser (for me) isn't as easy or as quick as those others. Shouldn't an top-notch OS like linux and debian make it quicker and easier for me to 'get the job' done. |
| 03:33.33 | deadcat | gboutwell: get the job done is using useradd... maybe you shouldnt use debian. |
| 03:33.48 | kerpen | Guerin, what's SPI? |
| 03:33.55 | Guerin | !spi |
| 03:33.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, spi is Software in the Public Interest, the umbrella organization for Debian and other Free Software projects, and the home page is http://www.spi-inc.org/ |
| 03:33.58 | fish | LC_ADDRESS="en" |
| 03:33.58 | fish | LC_TELEPHONE="en" |
| 03:33.58 | fish | LC_MEASUREMENT="en" |
| 03:33.58 | fish | LC_IDENTIFICATION="en" |
| 03:33.58 | fish | LC_ALL= |
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| 03:34.12 | deadcat | hes been pasting all night. finally. |
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| 03:34.14 | foo | I did make-kpkg --initrd --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image and it ended in this - make[3]: *** [drivers/char/isicom.o] Error 1 .. make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 .. any ideas? |
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| 03:34.35 | fish | sry |
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| 03:34.42 | fish | can I edit this by hand |
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| 03:34.56 | Guerin | !dr locales |
| 03:34.56 | deadcat | fish: what about reconfiguring your locale? |
| 03:34.58 | dpkg | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 03:35.06 | peterS | he did already. apparently. |
| 03:35.08 | gboutwell | deadcat: Nah. Is there anything like the 'adduser' part of Sarge's installer? |
| 03:35.18 | maher | Solet`: i bought an old netgear ma101 cos it worked with drivers supported by m-a |
| 03:35.21 | deadcat | gboutwell: no. |
| 03:35.29 | fish | did that thats what it leaves empty lc_all |
| 03:35.29 | kerpen | Guerin, have you been reading up about the DCC? |
| 03:35.33 | peterS | fish: one thing you may be missing is that if you select a default locale using 'dpkg-reconfigure locales', it only applies to new login sessions |
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| 03:35.37 | Guerin | kerpen: what is this DCC? |
| 03:35.38 | maher | gboutwell: what's wrong with adduser? |
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| 03:35.46 | fish | so I have to restart |
| 03:35.50 | peterS | fish: empty LC_ALL, btw, is normal. LC_ALL overrides all the other variables, if it's set |
| 03:35.52 | deadcat | maher: its not ncurse or gui for him |
| 03:35.56 | peterS | fish: not restart, just re-login |
| 03:35.57 | Guerin | i've been insanely busy the past month, in three countries and not at home |
| 03:35.58 | kerpen | Guerin, Debian Core Consortium. |
| 03:36.10 | fish | to enlightenment |
| 03:36.12 | fish | k |
| 03:36.16 | fish | brb |
| 03:36.24 | maher | kerpen: there are a variety of people who will sell you debian support if you want it |
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| 03:36.59 | Solet` | grr just got my laptop and already pissed at it... it has no floppy or cd.. and no rj45 |
| 03:37.12 | deadcat | Solet`: what laptop is that? |
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| 03:37.41 | gboutwell | maher: I don't want 'just' an adduser <name> type addition of the user.. I want to specify a different group and what groups the user is a part of, and have it create the home directory. 9/10 that I've used adduser to do this sort of thing, I've end-up deluser, adduser, deluser, adduser over and over to get it done the way I wanted it. |
| 03:37.43 | deadcat | Solet`: is taht old or new? |
| 03:37.55 | Solet` | old |
| 03:37.59 | Solet` | its a PII |
| 03:38.00 | gboutwell | just thought there'd be an easier way... Especially since the debian installer does it. |
| 03:38.05 | osama | i downloaded and installed gnome, how do i run it |
| 03:38.06 | deadcat | gboutwell: have you man adduser lately? |
| 03:38.25 | deadcat | osama: startx |
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| 03:38.42 | kerpen | Guerin, it is now officially Debian Common Core Alliance. |
| 03:38.43 | Guerin | kerpen: this is the wrong channel to be asking about the DCC, since SPI and Debian are not members of this consortium |
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| 03:39.03 | iamfish | peterS, im still having a problem with it |
| 03:39.19 | gboutwell | deadcat: Yeah, I've man adduser... just about everytime I use it... doesn't mean it makes it work better/easier for me. |
| 03:39.26 | Guerin | kerpen: should have called it the Debian Millennium Core Alliance |
| 03:39.33 | osama | i downloaded and installed gnome, how do i run it |
| 03:39.38 | stew | Guerin: but is have debian in the name so it must be a debian project |
| 03:39.39 | peterS | iamfish: does 'perl -e42' complain? that's a good test of whether your locale is valid |
| 03:39.46 | Guerin | stew: *bzzzt* |
| 03:39.49 | stew | is have? nice english stew |
| 03:39.54 | deadcat | gboutwell: i recommend mandrake or redhat for you |
| 03:39.57 | Guerin | mmm, english stew |
| 03:39.59 | iamfish | yes |
| 03:40.01 | iamfish | it does |
| 03:40.03 | kerpen | Guerin, the founder Ian Murdock, is spearheading the move. |
| 03:40.20 | Guerin | kerpen: Ian Murdock is no longer involved directly with Debian or SPI |
| 03:40.25 | stew | kerpen: it doesn't have anything to do with debian |
| 03:40.29 | maher | gboutwell: something like adduser user --ingroup group1 ? |
| 03:40.34 | peterS | Guerin: he *is* in the new maintainer queue, I think |
| 03:40.35 | stew | Guerin: actually he just went through NM i think |
| 03:40.44 | Guerin | kerpen: except inasmuch as he's a new maint |
| 03:40.45 | peterS | oh, did he make it out the other side yet? |
| 03:40.51 | Guerin | peterS: heh, yeah :) |
| 03:40.53 | stew | looking... |
| 03:40.58 | osama | anyone knows how to run gnome, i've already done apt-get install |
| 03:41.04 | peterS | richard stallman never made it |
| 03:41.08 | Guerin | osama: did you install an x server? |
| 03:41.10 | iamfish | peterS, so what should I do about that |
| 03:41.16 | stew | awaiting DAM approval |
| 03:41.23 | stew | http://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=imurdock%40progeny.com |
| 03:41.33 | deadcat | osama: apt-get install gdm, then select gnome from the session menu |
| 03:41.43 | gboutwell | deadcat: please... you're going to recommend that I trash my already installed Sarge, which replaced Woody which I ran for years. over the fact I'd like to iron out a 'rinkle' (or fix an annoyance that I have) to user Mandrake or Redhat on it instead.... |
| 03:42.05 | iamfish | me was thinking that too,bad idea don't do it |
| 03:42.05 | Guerin | gboutwell: see if someone can port one of the mandy/red hat tools to debian for you |
| 03:42.08 | deadcat | gboutwell: yes. |
| 03:42.17 | Guerin | gboutwell: you might even just get the source and build it, see if it works |
| 03:42.21 | DoppelGanger | ha ah dear god |
| 03:42.22 | osama | deadcat: i thought it was apt-get install gnome! |
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| 03:42.31 | peterS | iamfish: dunno, make sure the locale you are using is listed in /etc/locale.gen |
| 03:42.35 | Guerin | it's not like users should be wildly different on different distros |
| 03:42.36 | deadcat | osama: thats gnome. this is gdm. |
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| 03:42.48 | kerpen | Guerin, stew, what do mean? This is ominous. The founder is no longer directly involve, he is forming a new alliance with a name headed by Debian, and you say all this have nothing to do with Debian? |
| 03:42.59 | osama | deadcat: mmmmm, what's the difference? |
| 03:43.03 | maher | kerpen: very ominous - watch out for the black helicopters |
| 03:43.17 | deadcat | osama: gnome, gdm |
| 03:43.29 | peterS | hullo sgeigerbot |
| 03:43.31 | stew | kerpen: that is correct, the original founder is now in the process of applying for membership in debian. the DCC or whatever formed and chose that name without so much as writing an email to any of the debian lists afaik |
| 03:43.32 | gboutwell | Guerin: I'll still the part from the installer myself if it bothers me enough.... I just through for sure there'd already be something like that out there. And thought I'd as my friendly irc channel for a recomendation of such before I did stuff like that. |
| 03:43.36 | sgeigerbot | ~kill deadcat for the 9th time |
| 03:43.36 | apt | ACTION shoots a ionized pseudomeson gun at deadcat for the 9th time |
| 03:43.42 | foo | How do I set xdm to not start up when I start up debian? I want my system to start in init 3, but xdm starts and gives me the X login screen. |
| 03:43.42 | gboutwell | s/stil/steal/ |
| 03:43.53 | berto- | hi all. i'm looking for a good tutorial on now to package software into a .deb. I am going to be installing some self-compiled software on my system, but I'd like to use the standard itstallation tools. |
| 03:43.56 | Guerin | kerpen: you just don't understand the situation. He was the founder and the first DPL, but he created an organisational framework which didn't rely upon him, and then slipped out of the leadership role. The project continued without him. |
| 03:44.03 | peterS | foo: use update-rc.d |
| 03:44.04 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: bitch i'll murder you! |
| 03:44.05 | maher | gboutwell: there's probably some gnome / kde front end to adduser... |
| 03:44.09 | sgeigerbot | foo: apt-get install rcconf |
| 03:44.16 | peterS | foo: or just uninstall xdm - there's not much point in having it if you don't want it to run at boot time |
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| 03:44.22 | iamfish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:44.25 | streuner | deadcat: How you can kill a bot? ;-) |
| 03:44.34 | sgeigerbot | peterS: | |
| 03:44.34 | sgeigerbot | peterS: /| |
| 03:44.34 | gboutwell | maher: No X on this box... |
| 03:44.35 | deadcat | streuner: hahaha. |
| 03:44.46 | Guerin | kerpen: he now runs Progeny Debian, a commercial offshoot, and it's no surprise that he's trying to set up debian-tangential things, since that's what progeny is about. There's nothing sinister about it. |
| 03:44.46 | peterS | sgeigerbot: ahhhhhhhhhh, thanks. I was waiting for that |
| 03:44.50 | maher | gboutwell: ok - i dunno |
| 03:45.03 | Nooks_ | Is there an installer that supports SATA available? |
| 03:45.04 | deadcat | gboutwell: install cpanel |
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| 03:45.08 | sgeigerbot | iamfish: Do you think teachers have time to learn this stuff? :-) |
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| 03:45.17 | foo | peterS: I want to login manually and just do startx. If I remove xdm, it tries to remove x-window-system .. isn't this bad? |
| 03:45.18 | Guerin | gboutwell: fair enough. I don't see what's wrong with adduser. .. did you mention any specifics other than 'not as nice as foo'? |
| 03:45.20 | stew | Nooks_: /msg dpkg install debian ; use the linux26 option at the boot: prompt |
| 03:45.27 | stew | Nooks_: /msg dpkg ig |
| 03:45.30 | maher | foo: that's a dummy package |
| 03:45.38 | peterS | foo: x-window-system is just a metapackage that pulls in a bunch of useful stuff for X |
| 03:45.43 | peterS | foo: you can remove it without ill effects |
| 03:46.18 | Nooks_ | stew: okay, I'll come back if I need more info---I think I might :/ |
| 03:46.25 | sgeigerbot | streuner: I think the answer to that is that I've been in #debian too long. |
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| 03:46.37 | kerpen | Guerin, nothing sinister but worse. Debian is no more One but split or fragmented? |
| 03:46.50 | stew | kerpen: huh? |
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| 03:47.17 | dondelelcaro | kerpen: Debian is the same as it always has been |
| 03:47.19 | Guerin | kerpen: no more than it ever has been. Debian is as it ever was, just that there are others exercising their rights of modification and redistribution. |
| 03:47.37 | dabaR | ya. |
| 03:47.42 | gboutwell | Guerin: Yeah.. I do more than just adduser name... I want it to set-up a non-standard default group (ie other than name for group too), an list of groups (that I don't have to remember of the top of my head exactly how they are spelled, etc), and I want it to create the home directory for me (with the permissions for the name:special group) |
| 03:47.54 | Guerin | kerpen: there have always been debian-based organisations and distributions - it's just that now we have a few which are very high-profile so people are starting to notice. |
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| 03:48.07 | kerpen | stew, founder going one way, the rest another, both holding on to the brand name Debian. |
| 03:48.07 | hyperstream | http://pastebin.com/340448 <--- this happeneds with i try to build the kernel |
| 03:48.19 | deadcat | gboutwell: time to learn adduser/usermod/useradd |
| 03:48.22 | Guerin | gboutwell: useradd is a cli app, you can preseed all this. |
| 03:48.37 | Guerin | kerpen: nothing wrong with it. |
| 03:48.55 | dondelelcaro | kerpen: Ian Murdock wanted to work on something else for a while; that happens quite often |
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| 03:49.39 | peterS | gboutwell: this is absolutely trivial to script, using useradd |
| 03:49.44 | Guerin | it's absolutely vital that any serious organisation not be tied to its founder - Ian quite explicitly set debian up so that if he wanted to leave, or whatever, it'd continue unabated. |
| 03:49.57 | Guerin | No 'President For Life' here |
| 03:49.59 | kerpen | Who is leading the original Debian now? |
| 03:50.08 | hyperstream | any idea's? |
| 03:50.08 | Guerin | !dpl |
| 03:50.09 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 03:50.10 | deadcat | i heard he got fired |
| 03:50.54 | streuner | sgeigerbot: if you coming only to #debian to insult people you making a mistake. |
| 03:50.55 | sgeigerbot | dondelelcaro: Have some cheezy poofs? |
| 03:51.13 | deadcat | sgeigerbot: hahaha... |
| 03:51.14 | dondelelcaro | sgeigerbot: lime and chile fritos |
| 03:51.18 | kerpen | deadcat, Guerin, wow, that is interesting, so what is the latest? |
| 03:51.19 | sgeigerbot | stew: I'm not insulting anyone. |
| 03:51.29 | peterS | kerpen: the latest? |
| 03:51.32 | deadcat | kerpen: latest what? |
| 03:51.50 | stew | sgeigerbot: ok |
| 03:51.50 | kerpen | deadcat, leader, or DPL? |
| 03:51.58 | deadcat | kerpen: ^^ |
| 03:51.59 | dabaR | streuner: agreed, that is just part of the fun. |
| 03:52.07 | stew | kerpen: you realize ian first left the project in like 1995 or 1996 |
| 03:52.19 | stew | kerpen: so his going another direction shouldn't startle you |
| 03:52.21 | dondelelcaro | !debian history |
| 03:52.21 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian history is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history |
| 03:52.25 | dondelelcaro | kerpen: read the above. |
| 03:52.31 | maher | kerpen: read the last 10 years of debian-devel |
| 03:52.35 | Guerin | heh |
| 03:52.42 | Guerin | that'll only take 5 years |
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| 03:52.54 | peterS | you figure people can read about approximately twice realtime speed? |
| 03:53.14 | kerpen | But this guy Robinson, Guerin said he is DPL, deadcat thought he had just been fired. So who is the current DPL? |
| 03:53.27 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, well, ~1000 people wrote it, so actually it's much less than that :) |
| 03:53.35 | Guerin | kerpen: deadcat is delusional |
| 03:53.40 | dabaR | maher...:-/ |
| 03:53.49 | peterS | kerpen: robinson might be delusional too, but that's not the point |
| 03:53.49 | deadcat | Guerin: what the hell. (= |
| 03:53.49 | JimButton | "this guy robinson got fired"? did i miss something? :) |
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| 03:53.58 | Guerin | deadcat: face it, you are. |
| 03:54.03 | deadcat | hahah |
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| 03:54.20 | deadcat | Guerin: school started today... luckily i dont have class on tue and thur (=.. |
| 03:54.26 | peterS | Guerin: maybe he was just Over-reacting |
| 03:54.32 | Guerin | peterS: hah |
| 03:54.34 | gboutwell | Thanks all.. I guess.. I'm headed to bed, guess I'll look more into this another time. |
| 03:54.42 | stew | fiendishly |
| 03:54.44 | kerpen | it's interesting to you Guerin and deadcat in disagreement. |
| 03:54.46 | Daveman | hey dondelelcaro :) |
| 03:54.49 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: sup |
| 03:54.51 | peterS | yes, fiendishly Overreacting |
| 03:54.57 | Guerin | i mean ... matthew garret chews him out for being a prick on pdn ... that doesn't equate to being fired |
| 03:55.07 | Daveman | heh, just busy working -- or trying to anyways :) |
| 03:55.12 | JimButton | heck, i finally switched to kernel 2.6, and it seems to have fixed all the sound issues on this ibook |
| 03:55.14 | Guerin | Overfiend being a prick ... newsflash! film at 11! |
| 03:55.15 | Daveman | dondelelcaro, what's going on, with you? :) |
| 03:55.20 | stew | matthew garret chews anyone and anything out though right? |
| 03:55.20 | peterS | kerpen: you can check the facts for yourself. I bet the organisational chart, such as Debian has, is two clicks or less from www.debian.org |
| 03:55.21 | dondelelcaro | Daveman: not much, just working on stuff |
| 03:55.22 | colera | where do i find the ipw2200 drivers? |
| 03:55.29 | Daveman | heh - same |
| 03:55.30 | colera | it's not in aptitude |
| 03:55.31 | stew | colera: /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 03:55.31 | deadcat | JimButton: no problem here. |
| 03:55.33 | maher | Guerin: i feel bad that mjg _hasn't_chewed me out |
| 03:55.38 | peterS | stew: if you're particularly lucky he calls you something with the word 'cock' in it |
| 03:55.40 | deadcat | colera: non-free contrib |
| 03:55.48 | JimButton | deadcat: i had problems with audacity and 2.4 kernel |
| 03:55.58 | JimButton | deadcat: i was using oss, maybe that was the problem |
| 03:55.59 | Guerin | maher: can't be doing anything worthwhile unless someone's pissed off at you |
| 03:56.09 | xbmodder | usually userland apps don't play with the kernel unless there run as root? |
| 03:56.14 | maher | Guerin: i'm certainly not doing anything worthwhile... |
| 03:56.15 | dondelelcaro | peterS: or get threatened with the flaming SODOMOTRON OF DOOM |
| 03:56.17 | deadcat | JimButton: ah.. i am still using oss on 2.6. but mine is g3 though. |
| 03:56.20 | peterS | Guerin: the inverse is a fallacy unfortunately believed by a lot of people, at least apparently |
| 03:56.22 | Guerin | maher: you and me both :) |
| 03:56.26 | sgeigerbot | peterS: I assume, based on your last message, that we are no longer talking about me.... |
| 03:56.31 | Guerin | peterS: right. |
| 03:56.33 | BourneAgain | Debian is going to take over the world! :) |
| 03:56.35 | JimButton | deadcat: g3 here, too, but i guess that does not matter much for the sound stuff |
| 03:56.38 | foo | http://pastebin.com/340455 .. I am building a kernel for debian with make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image --initrd and for some reason it dies with that .. any ideas? |
| 03:56.46 | peterS | sgeigerbot: I don't think I was talking about you |
| 03:56.47 | *** part/#debian gboutwell (n=George@p204n26.ruraltel.net) |
| 03:56.49 | stew | christing fuck |
| 03:56.49 | JimButton | deadcat: xmms and mpg321 and shit worked, only audacity messed everything up |
| 03:56.57 | sgeigerbot | peterS: that makes 2 of us. |
| 03:57.00 | Nooks_ | stew: so if I wanted to use hd-media images, I need the files in hd-media/2.6 instead? |
| 03:57.06 | deadcat | JimButton: ya. i tried using the alsa driver and the sound was weird. oss works fine. after sleep and everything works |
| 03:57.08 | dondelelcaro | foo: you need to specify MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" or similar and rebuild. |
| 03:57.14 | Nooks_ | (I have a really limited set of hardware to do this install, unfortunately) |
| 03:57.16 | dondelelcaro | foo: man make-kpkg |
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| 03:57.56 | BourneAgain | Debian will take over the world. I have seen it. |
| 03:58.03 | JimButton | anybody here doing sound mixing/editing? is audacity ok, or is there much better stuff out there? |
| 03:58.05 | deadcat | BourneAgain: shutup |
| 03:58.11 | Guerin | JimButton: yes, and yes. |
| 03:58.12 | kerpen | peterS, who is DPL is not important, what I want to know is learned opinion about the future of Debian. |
| 03:58.14 | stew | Nooks_: do you currently have a workign linux install of any sort? |
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| 03:58.29 | Guerin | kerpen: read mailing lists |
| 03:58.32 | Nooks_ | stew, I have an ubuntu live CD that I can boot |
| 03:58.32 | JimButton | Guerin: ok, is there better free software, and if yes, what is the name? :) |
| 03:58.54 | peterS | kerpen: debian is doomed. film at eleven. |
| 03:58.59 | Guerin | JimButton: i'm unaware of any free software that's better than audacity for basic sound hackery and mixology |
| 03:59.00 | stew | Nooks_: and you have network access once you boot ubuntu? |
| 03:59.08 | JimButton | guerin: ok, thx a lot |
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| 03:59.16 | dabaR | peterS: :) |
| 03:59.18 | Guerin | JimButton: I mean basic - i don't do anything flash. |
| 03:59.19 | JimButton | guerin: i know there is good commercial sound stuff out there |
| 03:59.21 | BourneAgain | deadcat: Did you hear Microsoft was now funding some open source Debian developers? |
| 03:59.23 | Guerin | JimButton: yeah. |
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| 03:59.33 | kerpen | peterS, what's that "film at eleven"? |
| 03:59.34 | Guerin | BourneAgain: sure. |
| 03:59.36 | deadcat | BourneAgain: no. |
| 03:59.45 | dabaR | its a reference, a joke. |
| 03:59.47 | Nooks_ | stew: yeah. I'm assuming that the iso has a driver for my broadcom gig-ethernet card, but until I get the SATA sorted, I can't load it :) |
| 04:00.12 | stew | Nooks_: does you broadcom use the tg3 driver? |
| 04:00.14 | peterS | kerpen: I'm sure you're too young to remember but that's how television news teasers used to go, back when studios used actual cellulose film to shoot footage |
| 04:00.31 | Nooks_ | stew: yes |
| 04:00.35 | colera | i tried 'apt-get install ipw2200-source' as the dpkg told me and it say;s it can't find the package |
| 04:00.36 | ice_1963 | Debian is the BEST OUT there |
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| 04:00.49 | dabaR | and you told us that on #debian why? |
| 04:00.51 | servus | Nooks_: You should always have a spare plain-vanilla PCI Ethernet card lying around for such a thing... $10! :) |
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| 04:00.57 | deadcat | colera: add non-free contrib to the end of each lines in sources.list |
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| 04:01.06 | Guerin | !servus++ |
| 04:01.11 | Guerin | common sense, that. |
| 04:01.13 | Nooks_ | servus: *blink* for my laptop? my work laptop? (otherwise, I agree) |
| 04:01.14 | kerpen | peterS, I see, a cultural nuance. |
| 04:01.21 | stew | Nooks_: Nooks_ then you are going to possibly have trouble with the debian installer |
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| 04:01.27 | servus | Spare plain-vanilla PCMCIA ethernet card, too :) |
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| 04:01.38 | Nooks_ | stew : oh, poo |
| 04:01.39 | Guerin | Nooks_: 3com pcmcia nics are easy to come by |
| 04:01.44 | stew | Nooks_: tg3 was removed from some debian kernel's becuase it required non-free firmware |
| 04:01.51 | servus | I have one of those, and I don't even have a laptop :-) |
| 04:02.02 | stew | Nooks_: but you can install debian by booting the ubuntu cd and using debootstrap |
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| 04:02.08 | BourneAgain | stew: That is interesting. |
| 04:02.12 | stew | Nooks_: /msg dpkg debootstrap ; /msg dpkg chroot install |
| 04:02.18 | Nooks_ | stew : d'oh, yes, of course... |
| 04:02.20 | colera | deadcat: every line? not just once? |
| 04:02.35 | deadcat | colera: all the debian lines. |
| 04:02.45 | sally_ | I've got a wireless network and a wired network. The wireless network is connected to the internet, where as the wired is not. I have one machine (running slackware) on both (it has both a regular ethernet card and a wireless card). As an accident I set my default gateway on a debian machine on the wired network to the slackware machine's wired ip address and now the debian machine can get on the internet with no configura |
| 04:02.46 | sally_ | tion of the slackware machine. Is this expected behavior? |
| 04:03.00 | colera | deadcat: alirhgt |
| 04:03.05 | deadcat | colera: looks something like this: sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:03.08 | kerpen | BourneAgain, is it in print, this Microsoft and Debian developer stuff? |
| 04:03.11 | foo | dondelelcaro: So add MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" to the Makefile ? |
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| 04:03.34 | freedom101 | i have trouble to make my dns server to work someone have the time to check my config file? dhcp.conf : http://sial.org/pbot/12583 named.conf : http://sial.org/pbot/12584 |
| 04:03.35 | deadcat | foo: no. MAKEFLAG="..." make-kpkg --blah.. |
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| 04:03.44 | ChrisBradley | I'm pleased to announce I got my Ipod working with Debian today |
| 04:03.48 | BourneAgain | kerpen: Looking |
| 04:03.49 | foo | deadcat: laptop:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.1# MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" && make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image --initrd - ? |
| 04:03.53 | deadcat | ChrisBradley: nice. |
| 04:03.57 | mtnman | sally_: cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward. if it is 1 then yes. if 0 then no |
| 04:04.04 | foo | deadcat: I did that, ended in same error ... do I need to do make clean or something to get rid of the older stuff? |
| 04:04.04 | deadcat | foo: no && |
| 04:04.06 | streuner | !congratulate ChrisBradley |
| 04:04.07 | dpkg | Good show ChrisBradley, you did it! |
| 04:04.11 | stew | Nooks_: though depending on what version of debian you install with debootstrap, you may need to grab another kernel as well. i believe that the latest (2.6.12 2.6.11?maybe?) debian kernels have tg3 back in, but i'm not sure, if you are installing sarge you may need to compile a vanilla linux kernel |
| 04:04.23 | sally_ | mtnman, yeah it is 1... wow |
| 04:04.24 | james | A Centrino processor is considered a 686 correct? |
| 04:04.30 | stew | james: yes |
| 04:04.32 | peterS | james: yes, why? |
| 04:04.33 | streuner | !i686 |
| 04:04.40 | Nooks_ | stew: yeah, that'd be no fuss, since I can get the kenel sources before I boot into the target system |
| 04:04.40 | streuner | !686 |
| 04:04.40 | dpkg | In a kernel version string, -686 refers to the Intel Pentium Pro, Pentium II, Celeron, Pentium III, Pentium IV, Pentium M (as in the chip used in the "Centrino" brand). not correct for EM64T Xeon/Pentium4's, which should use a -em64t-p4 kernel |
| 04:04.47 | dondelelcaro | foo: now would be a good time to man bash; and read about how to pass environmental variables to the commands that you're calling. |
| 04:04.47 | stew | Nooks_: you got it |
| 04:04.47 | james | Ok, so IA-64 would be its arcatecture? |
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| 04:04.53 | BourneAgain | I believe they are funding an antispam team for Debian. |
| 04:04.57 | deadcat | ChrisBradley: now do you mount the device to upload file or use gtkpod or what have you? |
| 04:04.58 | stew | james: no ia32 |
| 04:05.03 | james | I see |
| 04:05.07 | peterS | james: ia-64 is Itanium. if you paid twice what you should have, you might have one |
| 04:05.16 | james | Hehe |
| 04:05.16 | karatorian | Can anyone recommend a package for PDF production? |
| 04:05.21 | foo | dondelelcaro: laptop:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.1# MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95"; make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image --initrd - is this right? Heh, it probably works either way. |
| 04:05.28 | mtnman | sally_: in debian, that behaviour can be controlled by editing /etc/network/options. dunno about slack. |
| 04:05.37 | deadcat | foo: why do you want to add && or ; ? |
| 04:05.41 | sally_ | mtnman, ok thanks a bunch |
| 04:05.43 | Nooks_ | I: Checking libgnutls11... |
| 04:05.49 | Nooks_ | (woot! Debian rocks!) |
| 04:05.58 | mtnman | sally_: you are welcome. |
| 04:06.08 | stew | Nooks_: of course dont forget build-essential libncurses5-dev kernel-package... |
| 04:06.10 | BourneAgain | Microsoft may submit to a gnu license for the antispamtechnology, time will tell. |
| 04:06.12 | maher | karatorian: what do you want to do? |
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| 04:06.38 | james | I know this is off topic a bit, but I need to do some ASM programming under linux, but this processor does not seem to work like an IA-32... Is it like IA-32 Mobile? |
| 04:06.38 | stew | Nooks_: module-init-tools |
| 04:06.41 | foo | deadcat: laptop:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.1# MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-2.95" make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image --initrd - with this it doesn't work .. |
| 04:06.54 | Nooks_ | stew: oh, I've been around this part of the block many times. But it's been a long time since I did an install---curse Debian and its never-having-to-reinstall "feature"! :) |
| 04:07.09 | deadcat | foo: ? i dont know. i dont know how to compile a kernel. |
| 04:07.14 | karatorian | maher: Author basic PDFs. Just some text and tables. |
| 04:07.31 | BourneAgain | deadcat: There are many tutorials on it. It is a piece of cake. |
| 04:07.38 | dondelelcaro | foo: no ';' either. Seriously, now is the time to read man bash; specifiically the 'ENVIRONMENT' bits |
| 04:07.40 | maher | karatorian: openoffice / abiword / latex can export to pdf |
| 04:07.44 | colera | deadcat: i messed up my sources.list now :( my lines don't look anything like you said it should |
| 04:08.04 | deadcat | colera: ^^ i gave you a link to an example. |
| 04:08.10 | dondelelcaro | foo: I said HOSTCC, NOT CC. |
| 04:08.22 | karatorian | maher: thanx |
| 04:08.33 | dondelelcaro | foo: and it was gcc-3.4, not gcc-2.95 |
| 04:08.39 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: give him the EXACT command. dont confuse him |
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| 04:08.47 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:08.52 | foo | dondelelcaro: ^^ That's in the man page |
| 04:09.13 | deadcat | foo: learn from manpage. not USE what the manpage gives |
| 04:09.14 | dondelelcaro | foo: yes, and the manpage explains how to use that ENV variable, but doesn't tell you what to set it to. |
| 04:09.32 | Gnea | heh |
| 04:10.03 | deadcat | Gnea: somebody really have to write a GUI kernel compiler (= |
| 04:10.12 | dondelelcaro | make-kpkg clean; MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --revision=$(date +%Y%m%d) --append-to-version-$(hostname) clean;MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --revision=$(date +%Y%m%d) --append-to-version-$(hostname) kernel_image; |
| 04:10.16 | peterS | deadcat: whatever for |
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| 04:10.45 | dondelelcaro | make-kpkg clean; MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --revision=$(date +%Y%m%d) --append-to-version=-$(hostname) clean;MAKEFLAGS="HOSTCC=gcc-3.4" make-kpkg --revision=$(date +%Y%m%d) --append-to-version=-$(hostname) kernel_image; |
| 04:10.46 | mtnman | dondelelcaro: you could ssh into his box and do it for him... |
| 04:10.48 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: $100 hes gonna fucked it up |
| 04:11.09 | BourneAgain | There should be a full gui tool to compile kernels :) |
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| 04:11.34 | peterS | BourneAgain: if you can't read the manual, DON'T RECOMPILE THE GUTS OF YOUR SYSTEM |
| 04:11.40 | deadcat | BourneAgain: thats what i said... damn you guys dont pay attention |
| 04:12.08 | peterS | BourneAgain: do you take apart your car engine and put it back together, right after buying a new car, in the hopes of getting more fuel efficiency than the settings they put in there at the factory? |
| 04:12.13 | Nigel_ | hey guys, got a problem here (not on this PC directly), but when playing video (AVI/MPEG/DVD/*) via my TV-out I just get a purple box where the video should go |
| 04:12.33 | Nigel_ | it's a Radeon 9550 |
| 04:12.38 | peterS | BourneAgain: or, more to the point, would you do that if you didn't know anything about auto mechanics? |
| 04:12.53 | BourneAgain | peterS: Kick it :) |
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| 04:13.01 | deadcat | peterS: he would join #car and ask how |
| 04:13.09 | BourneAgain | deadcat: Yes! |
| 04:13.18 | mtnman | deadcat: and complain about the answers he got |
| 04:13.23 | peterS | deadcat: right. and amazingly, get it wrong the first few times |
| 04:13.30 | karatorian | Whenever I try to do anything with it, apt-get tells me that "Dynamic MMap ran out of room". Can someone please help me fix this? |
| 04:13.32 | deadcat | peterS: and dondelelcaro will show him step by step.. then he still fucks it up |
| 04:13.40 | Gnea | deadcat: heh, still talking about foo? |
| 04:13.44 | Gnea | :0 |
| 04:13.45 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:13.54 | deadcat | Gnea: i talk about everyone.. (= hahah |
| 04:13.58 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 04:14.01 | morbius | so whats the deal with debian and burning? doesn't seem likes to friendly... |
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| 04:14.14 | dondelelcaro | morbius: burning what? |
| 04:14.21 | Gnea | morbius: iso's? |
| 04:14.23 | dli | anyone using ez-ipupdate or ddclient? |
| 04:14.27 | Nigel_ | houses |
| 04:14.42 | BourneAgain | peterS: I do understand a tad where you are coming from. :) I admit the GUI software tool for compiling the kernel was an attempt at dry humor knowing that the penguin is a command line crack addict. |
| 04:14.43 | deadcat | Nigel_: definately houses |
| 04:14.43 | morbius | burning isos would be fine, i can just use mkisofs |
| 04:14.52 | Gnea | Nigel_: o.O |
| 04:14.55 | deadcat | morbius: cdrecord |
| 04:14.58 | streuner | dli: most people seems to use ddclient... |
| 04:14.59 | morbius | though can i make audio iso? |
| 04:15.03 | kerpen | BourneAgain, my search came up with "Debian refuses to add Microsoft antispam technology", nothing more. |
| 04:15.09 | dondelelcaro | apt-get install cdrecord mkisofs; mkisofs -J -r -udf -o foo.iso foo; cdrecord -dev ATAPI:0,0,0 -speed 4 -v -v -data foo.iso |
| 04:15.11 | deadcat | dli: my router supports it. |
| 04:15.25 | morbius | deadcat, whever i try and and mount a device w/a blank cd in it, it freaks out |
| 04:15.27 | peterS | BourneAgain: well, it's a common complaint - it's too hard and confusing to compile a kernel. the obvious answer is - nobody should ever have to do it, that's why we have distributions and the debian kernel team, who I might add does a very fine job |
| 04:15.35 | morbius | or do i not need to do that w/cdrecord? |
| 04:15.40 | deadcat | morbius: you dont mount a blank cd. |
| 04:15.45 | morbius | blah! |
| 04:15.47 | morbius | :( |
| 04:15.54 | Gnea | peterS: what's wrong with compiling kernels? |
| 04:15.56 | Nigel_ | anyway, does anyone know what could be happening with me video problem? |
| 04:16.02 | morbius | so how do i make an audio image? |
| 04:16.13 | streuner | morbius: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 04:16.16 | peterS | Gnea: it's simply unnecessary and there are so many ways to get it wrong |
| 04:16.20 | dli | streuner, deadcat what should I do? now, my IP from dynamic dns is 192.168.0.11 :( |
| 04:16.20 | Gnea | morbius: go read the cd-burning howto at www.tldp.org |
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| 04:16.31 | morbius | ty Gnea |
| 04:16.37 | deadcat | morbius: have you tried apt-cache search audio cd record ? |
| 04:16.37 | dli | streuner, deadcat they both report the local IP :( |
| 04:16.44 | BourneAgain | peterS: I agree there are many ways of going wrong. I attempted it - and had a lot of fun :( |
| 04:16.47 | peterS | Gnea: I can get it right because I actually know a little bit about how the kernel works. but I don't expect average linux users to know what I know |
| 04:16.48 | Gnea | peterS: so you're thought is that no one should bother, even if they know what they're doing? |
| 04:16.50 | morbius | ty deadcat |
| 04:17.09 | peterS | Gnea: if someone wants to try, hey, go ahead. there still isn't much point. |
| 04:17.20 | colera | deadcat: okay i installed the package now where did the source go? lol it;s not in /usr/local/src |
| 04:17.22 | Gnea | peterS: well yeah, but that goes without saying - still, the source is there just as it always has :) |
| 04:17.23 | colera | ? |
| 04:17.24 | deadcat | dli: oh. i know what you mean... i had that stupid problem. luckily i use no-ip.com and their program. works fine. but now i just use my router to do it. (crap ass dlink d-604) |
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| 04:17.53 | colera | deadcat: nm found it |
| 04:18.08 | deadcat | colera: i dont know what you talking about (= |
| 04:18.21 | dli | deadcat, there's no way I can get ez-ipupdate or ddclient work for me? |
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| 04:18.30 | BourneAgain | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.37 | deadcat | dli: doubt it. |
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| 04:18.54 | peterS | BourneAgain: it's a module for all debian kernels, AFAIK. well, separate modules for server and client code |
| 04:18.58 | deadcat | BourneAgain: more /boot/cofnig-`uname -r` |
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| 04:19.03 | dli | deadcat: no-ip.com is free ? |
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| 04:19.08 | deadcat | dli: ya. |
| 04:19.12 | colera | deadcat: after i compile the driver how do i set it up to work? know a good resource? |
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| 04:19.33 | deadcat | colera: /etc/modules put the module name there it will load when booting up |
| 04:19.33 | karatorian | Whenever I try to do anything with it, apt-get tells me that "Dynamic MMap ran out of room". This happened after an "apt-get update". |
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| 04:19.46 | liable | !mmap |
| 04:19.47 | dpkg | methinks dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
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| 04:20.36 | peterS | dondelelcaro: ever consider disabling the cute prefixes for bot responses? a majority of factoids would sound better with an implicit <reply> prefix |
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| 04:20.52 | BourneAgain | peterS: Can application software be compiled as a module into the kernel? |
| 04:21.27 | peterS | BourneAgain: arbitrary application software? no. you have to write it as a kernel module, using only kernel facilities. i.e., the kernel has a very small subset of libc functions, and you can't use anything it doesn't have |
| 04:21.30 | karatorian | Damn, I forgot how good the bots where. |
| 04:23.12 | BourneAgain | peterS: Can the kernel reside in EPROM when it executes or does it need to run in RAM? |
| 04:23.36 | peterS | BourneAgain: that's very very platform-specific. I think most ROMs are very slow compared to RAM, so it's not necessarily a good idea anyway |
| 04:24.00 | peterS | BourneAgain: but if your embedded device has some EPROM but not a lot of spare RAM, you can always arrange for this to work |
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| 04:24.14 | peterS | BourneAgain: I think it's more common to run the kernel from flash |
| 04:24.30 | peterS | BourneAgain: but I'm not an embedded developer so I really couldn't say more |
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| 04:24.53 | dondelelcaro | peterS: sometimes having it give you the name of the factoid is useful; in the cases where it isn't, just add <reply> |
| 04:24.53 | destiny | has anyone here used PartImage? |
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| 04:25.11 | deadcat | destiny: not yet |
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| 04:25.20 | BourneAgain | peterS: I have seen that application. It is sort like a mini hard disk implimented in flash memory. |
| 04:25.25 | peterS | dondelelcaro: right.... perhaps suppress if m/\Q$fname\E/ (: |
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| 04:26.12 | peterS | dondelelcaro: anyway ... the cutesy prefixes are, I'm sure, beloved by some. to me they just waste space. |
| 04:26.15 | colera | how do i use module-assistant to build the drivers for my wireless card? |
| 04:26.17 | colera | ? |
| 04:26.21 | BourneAgain | peterS: If I had the time I would play around with it. |
| 04:26.39 | destiny | deadcat: when I try to use it, it says hda1 needs to be unmounted to copy! But how is that possible to unmount the HD I want to backup, when hda1 is my prime HD partition that Debian runs from? |
| 04:26.49 | deadcat | colera: m-a a-i ipw2100 |
| 04:26.54 | BourneAgain | peterS: The sandisk stuff that is/ |
| 04:27.02 | deadcat | destiny: live cd |
| 04:27.09 | peterS | BourneAgain: anyway the real answer to your original question is: yes, the kernel runs just fine from read-only memory - it doesn't need to modify itself while running. read/write bits are cleanly separated out. |
| 04:27.12 | hyperstream | how do i go about getting the latest kernel patches for linux-2.6.12.5 cause compiling the kernel has a lot of coding errors |
| 04:27.16 | deadcat | destiny: knoppix has that apps |
| 04:27.26 | peterS | BourneAgain: unless you use dprobes, I think, but those are mainly for kernel debugging |
| 04:27.40 | deadcat | hyperstream: you're doint something wrong |
| 04:27.59 | liable | hyperstream: never heard of kernel.org? |
| 04:28.04 | BourneAgain | peterS: Yeah, but if you can afford it at that level I think you would be running some emulator hardware. |
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| 04:28.18 | peterS | BourneAgain: and the default kernel build on i386 (and other platforms) includes bootstrap code that loads it into the right area of memory, etc. this stuff naturally has to be customized when you want to fit the kernel to specific hardware like you're talking about |
| 04:28.30 | colera | deadcat: what does the a-i stand for? install i take it for the I, what is the A? |
| 04:28.35 | peterS | BourneAgain: right |
| 04:28.36 | hyperstream | deadcat, what do you mean? |
| 04:28.39 | deadcat | colera: man m-i |
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| 04:28.55 | shmloe | where do I edit so users are not allow to use 'su'? |
| 04:28.59 | deadcat | hyperstream: if you have the latest source and you need patches and you gettinge errors. you're doing something wrong |
| 04:29.00 | dondelelcaro | peterS: yeah, I'll probably ditch the 'gee I think' foo is bar stuff; so it just says foo is bar |
| 04:29.06 | morbius | thanks for the help guys, burning cd now..if i can figure out how to get mp3s to work ;) |
| 04:29.10 | peterS | shmloe: maybe /etc/pam.d/su |
| 04:29.15 | deadcat | shmloe: pam |
| 04:29.17 | BourneAgain | peterS: I am very interested in diskless clusters members right now. |
| 04:29.23 | peterS | dondelelcaro: works for me |
| 04:29.48 | hyperstream | ahh yeap latest source. i get shit loads of different errors. like drivers/usb/media/pwc/pwc-uncompress.c:140: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch statement |
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| 04:29.53 | peterS | BourneAgain: the usual diskless solution is netbooting and thus running directly in ram |
| 04:29.53 | colera | deadcat: i got an error; Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could a |
| 04:29.56 | colera | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:29.58 | Supaplex | how do I display the ssh RSA key finger print in hex form from my .ssh/known hosts? |
| 04:30.08 | deadcat | hyperstream: then uncheck pwc |
| 04:30.10 | colera | could not be found |
| 04:30.17 | peterS | Supaplex: ssh-keygen -l |
| 04:30.19 | BourneAgain | peterS: I tried my system with 2 bonded 1G adapters. Man of man does it transfer data. |
| 04:30.21 | deadcat | colera: then isntall kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:30.24 | colera | do i need to install like a 2.6-devel |
| 04:30.26 | hyperstream | oo should i stop the compile right now. and redo the config? |
| 04:30.41 | deadcat | so since kernel-image is gonna be linux-image, same for kernel-headers kernel-source? |
| 04:30.52 | deadcat | hyperstream: just let it fail first. (= |
| 04:30.53 | peterS | Supaplex: specifically, ssh-keygen -l ~/.ssh/known_hosts |
| 04:31.05 | peterS | Supaplex: not very intuitive that this would live in ssh-keygen, but it does |
| 04:31.08 | hyperstream | it takes like 60 mins to compile :/ |
| 04:31.20 | liable | !warnings |
| 04:31.20 | dpkg | Yerp, lots of software throws warnings. Kernel module warnings on boot, mplayer warnings, GTK warnings, X11 warnings, build warnings, gpg warnings. Don't be scared - informational output is a GOOD THING. Consider yourself warned, and if the program works as expected, be happy. |
| 04:31.25 | deadcat | hyperstream: now you know why people dont like compiling |
| 04:31.27 | Supaplex | well no wonder man ssh was useless :p |
| 04:31.43 | hyperstream | i see |
| 04:31.55 | peterS | Supaplex: yeah. I don't know how long it took me to find that |
| 04:32.03 | liable | theres a diffrence between a warning and error.. |
| 04:32.34 | hyperstream | so instead of waiting for it. why not kill it uncheck the item and start again |
| 04:33.07 | deadcat | hyperstream: if you /lastlog deadcat, i said i dont know how to compile a kernel (= |
| 04:33.24 | BourneAgain | peterS: Any opinion on system configuration taking place via "shadowed" XML config files? |
| 04:33.34 | peterS | BourneAgain: wtf? why? |
| 04:33.38 | Supaplex | peterS: thanks. =) |
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| 04:33.44 | Supaplex | !peterS++ |
| 04:34.17 | hyperstream | im confused? |
| 04:34.21 | BourneAgain | peterS: A general GUI configuration tool for everything. |
| 04:34.23 | hyperstream | nevermind |
| 04:35.02 | peterS | BourneAgain: so you think everything should be translated to and from some master xml format? |
| 04:35.27 | dli | deadcat no-ip.com is so tricky :( |
| 04:35.48 | deadcat | dli: the script? dont use the script. just use cron or something to run the binary |
| 04:35.56 | deadcat | i dont think the script works anyway |
| 04:36.29 | streuner | well, sounds like you misconfigured those things at no-ip.com then |
| 04:36.41 | streuner | ddclient is very easy to handle |
| 04:37.08 | peterS | BourneAgain: I guess here's my thought: the burden of writing translator scripts to synchronise config files both directions with xml shadow files should be borne by whoever is writing this gui config tool |
| 04:37.09 | deadcat | streuner: ddclient is giving out his lan ip. not the wan ip |
| 04:37.22 | deadcat | whatever happened to linuxconf? HAHAH |
| 04:37.27 | peterS | BourneAgain: and if I were writing a gui config tool, I wouldn't bother with the xml middleman, as it were - I'd instead write modules to read and write the arbitrary files directly |
| 04:37.35 | mwilson | peterS: What he thinks he means by "shadowed" might be interesting, too. I imagine he thinks someone should come up with some master format, and then application authors should be required to provide translators between this format and their own. Maybe he'll enforce it at gunpoint. |
| 04:37.36 | streuner | deadcat: well :-) |
| 04:37.57 | dli | deadcat, I still feel, it's so simple, dyndns.org just takes the IP from each connection :( |
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| 04:38.13 | BourneAgain | mwilson: Naw, I use rubber bands :) |
| 04:38.19 | dli | streuner, do you have any way? |
| 04:38.34 | mwilson | peterS: You know... the same sort of people that for some reason think webmin is a good thing. |
| 04:38.37 | buu | Hrm. Wtf. Whenever I start a game using wine, XFREE86 starts eating 55+% of my pcu |
| 04:38.39 | peterS | mwilson: hmmm, gconf-editor, surf to 'etc' then 'passwd'... nah. I don't think I want to go there |
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| 04:38.50 | BourneAgain | mwilson: I dislike webmin. |
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| 04:39.08 | buu | Making my game very sluggish, I doin't suppose anyone has an idea |
| 04:39.21 | deadcat | usermin is a good idea though right? |
| 04:39.28 | Supaplex | !any ideas |
| 04:39.28 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of condoms, a little vegemite, and 42 sex-crazed platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 04:39.29 | flamesrock | hey guys. If prices are equal, and I can burn both, should I choose dvd-r or dvd+r? |
| 04:39.33 | peterS | probably not, you juu |
| 04:39.33 | spoonman2 | how can i limit tcpdump output to a port range? |
| 04:39.42 | mwilson | man tcpdump |
| 04:39.44 | deadcat | flamesrock: + |
| 04:39.48 | spoonman2 | mwilson, heh |
| 04:39.57 | mwilson | I wasn't aware I was joking. |
| 04:39.59 | deadcat | spoonman2: man tcpdump or use a diff tool |
| 04:40.03 | flamesrock | why do you say that deadcat? (I don'tunderstand the dif) |
| 04:40.12 | spoonman2 | deadcat, diff? |
| 04:40.18 | deadcat | flamesrock: ya. me either but + is always better than - (= |
| 04:40.23 | buu | peterS: Thanks =[ |
| 04:40.28 | rob_lt | I've had the best luck with fuji dvd-r but that might just be me. |
| 04:40.30 | flamesrock | lol, tx |
| 04:40.46 | flamesrock | I wish blu-ray would come out already. |
| 04:40.53 | spoonman2 | deadcat, what's an option? |
| 04:41.02 | peterS | flamesrock: maybe they're still trying to figure out why the engineers couldn't spell 'blue' |
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| 04:41.09 | deadcat | spoonman2: gui or cli? |
| 04:41.16 | flamesrock | lol |
| 04:41.16 | destiny | deadcat: so u mean I run a livecd and run partimage from that to copy my hda1? |
| 04:41.22 | BourneAgain | mwilson: I understand where you are coming from though. Seriously though a master XML file could be managed by yet another master XML file that would like all the XML configurations together. Better yet you could put all the config files in a standard /etc/xml directory and glue em all together with a glue -all command :) |
| 04:41.31 | lackita | hey, I just moved into my dorm room and I've been setting my box back up. When I finally got it set up and tried to get something with apt-get it gave me "Security: Bad IP Connecting." Google's been less then helpful, and I can't really find anything on the man pages. Any ideas? |
| 04:41.37 | deadcat | destiny: ya.. took you like 1/2 hour to figure that one? (= |
| 04:41.43 | destiny | deadcat: yeah ;) |
| 04:41.44 | BourneAgain | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:41.50 | mwilson | BourneAgain: Except that it couldn't, of course. |
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| 04:41.56 | deadcat | destiny: hahah. man you're killing me |
| 04:41.58 | destiny | deadcat: very clever of you to think abvout that :) |
| 04:42.09 | destiny | deadcat: didnt cross my mind, im impressed ;) |
| 04:42.13 | deadcat | (= |
| 04:42.16 | spermie | is anyone in here dual booting debian with something? |
| 04:42.23 | colera | okay i got the kernel -headers in my /usr/src directory now what do i do> |
| 04:42.24 | deadcat | dpkg: nope. |
| 04:42.24 | dpkg | yes |
| 04:42.24 | colera | ? |
| 04:42.28 | BourneAgain | mwilson: Yeah the glue all command configuration would have to be part of it :) |
| 04:42.29 | BourneAgain | heh |
| 04:42.31 | mwilson | spermie: With oBSD and 2k... what's the big deal? |
| 04:42.44 | deadcat | mwilson: he wants to copy you |
| 04:42.45 | BourneAgain | That would be very tacky if you ask me. |
| 04:42.47 | streuner | he using GRUB prolly... |
| 04:42.48 | destiny | deadcat: so I have a mepis livecd and knoppix livecd, so I can use either on of those to make an image of hda1 and copy it to my hdb1? |
| 04:42.58 | mwilson | deadcat: That's his problem. |
| 04:43.03 | deadcat | destiny: ya. |
| 04:43.04 | spermie | mwilson just wondering lol |
| 04:43.08 | destiny | deadcat: great :) |
| 04:43.17 | colera | destiny: yeah knoppix has a drive image util |
| 04:43.19 | deadcat | spoonman2: usually people dont ask when they wonder things |
| 04:43.21 | mwilson | !poll |
| 04:43.21 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 04:43.30 | spermie | trying to dual boot with xp |
| 04:43.30 | destiny | deadcat: and if I then want to restore my image to my prime hda1, I simply use livecd again to restore? right? :) |
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| 04:43.42 | deadcat | destiny: that sounds right |
| 04:43.44 | spoonman2 | deadcat, you talking to me? |
| 04:43.44 | streuner | spermie: grub? |
| 04:43.47 | mwilson | spermie: <shrug> It's supposed to be hard? |
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| 04:44.04 | destiny | colera: thats great! for if my Debian breaks, I can simply restore image instead of having to install Debian all over again |
| 04:44.16 | colera | yeah, that what i used to do with gentoo |
| 04:44.18 | destiny | deadcat: cool, for if my Debian breaks, I can simply restore image instead of having to install Debian all over again |
| 04:44.19 | spermie | mwilson ill manage |
| 04:44.36 | colera | cause installing gentoo is the WORST thing in the world |
| 04:44.37 | destiny | colera: and it saves me days to configure all over again |
| 04:44.42 | peterS | spermie: if you install debian first and windows xp second, for some reason microsoft's setup doesn't offer you any easy way to boot into linux. I don't know why they didn't think to add that |
| 04:44.48 | deadcat | destiny: you're suppose to fix it if it break. not restore the image (= |
| 04:44.59 | destiny | spermie: whats this image program called that knoppix uses? |
| 04:45.03 | colera | peterS: you can use a third party prog to boot windows |
| 04:45.06 | spoonman2 | deadcat, I want a sniffer to log network activity *plain text data* of a range of ports that my application opens, if possible in plain text file. |
| 04:45.07 | BourneAgain | mwilson: I could always write some soft of registry API where everything would be in a master hive. We could map it to Microsoft's registry structure. You could edit a file with a special editor and on exiting it would run a hook that rewrites the registry and crashes your OS completely. |
| 04:45.09 | destiny | deadcat: yes, but im newbie |
| 04:45.16 | destiny | deadcat: not always can I fix |
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| 04:45.24 | spermie | destiny idk not using Knoppix |
| 04:45.26 | deadcat | spoonman2: basically you want to see other people's passwd right? |
| 04:45.28 | colera | deadcat: how can i get these headers installed? |
| 04:45.31 | peterS | colera: oh, booting windows is easy enough. but if you set up windows xp it takes over your boot record and doesn't even have the courtesy to offer to dual-boot your system with linux |
| 04:45.34 | spoonman2 | deadcat, no. |
| 04:45.35 | destiny | spermie: what? |
| 04:45.42 | deadcat | colera: apt-get install kernel-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 04:45.51 | rob_lt | lackita, try changing to a different mirror |
| 04:46.05 | spoonman2 | deadcat, tell me a single webmail that uses plain text password? |
| 04:46.17 | deadcat | spoonman2: squirrelmail |
| 04:46.20 | rob_lt | lackita, I bet you are using an ftp mirror, and it is looking at your IP addy which has changed. |
| 04:46.21 | spoonman2 | i have an app which i want to reverse engnieer. |
| 04:46.25 | lackita | sorry, I'm a debian noob, where can I change that? |
| 04:46.33 | streuner | spermie: GRUB or lilo are bootloaders |
| 04:46.34 | spoonman2 | deadcat, really? thats crappy./ |
| 04:46.35 | deadcat | lackita: /etc |
| 04:46.44 | rob_lt | lackita, your mirrors are in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 04:46.45 | spermie | The easy way to dual boot is install windows first wwith whatever kinda partition u want then after windows is done start ur linux install and throw it on ur remaining partition |
| 04:47.01 | spermie | streuner using grub of course =) |
| 04:47.10 | streuner | spermie: in general yes |
| 04:47.15 | rob_lt | lackita, you can use apt-setup to add another mirror, and then edit that file and delete the old one |
| 04:47.32 | destiny | spermie: what u mean by idk not using Knoppix? |
| 04:47.33 | streuner | spermie: but altering the MBR isn't a big deal either |
| 04:47.39 | colera | deadcat: yeah i got that far, actually i did it with aptitude now there are is a file in /usr/src called kernel-headers-foo what do i do from there? |
| 04:47.41 | lackita | thx rob_It |
| 04:47.47 | mwilson | spermie: Can you speak English, please? |
| 04:47.49 | rob_lt | np |
| 04:48.07 | destiny | colera: whats this image program called that knoppix uses? |
| 04:48.08 | spermie | destiny no i'm not using Knoppix |
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| 04:48.15 | deadcat | colera: m-a a-i ipw2100, taht dont work? you using the kernel that matches that headers right? |
| 04:48.19 | spermie | mwilson pretty sure i was |
| 04:48.27 | streuner | destiny: gimp? |
| 04:48.32 | mwilson | spermie: Moron-speak is not English. |
| 04:48.34 | destiny | streuner: lol |
| 04:48.36 | lackita | hey, I can't even access the debian archive |
| 04:48.45 | destiny | streuner: we talking about partition image programs |
| 04:48.48 | colera | deadcat: umm i think so, lol how do i chec my kernel version? |
| 04:48.49 | Nigel_ | hey guys, got a problem here (not on this PC directly), but when playing video (AVI/MPEG/DVD/*) via my TV-out I just get a purple box where the video should go |
| 04:48.49 | streuner | oh |
| 04:48.56 | destiny | streuner: ;) |
| 04:48.56 | streuner | destiny: nevermind then :-) |
| 04:49.05 | destiny | streuner: ty anyway for trying to help :) |
| 04:49.05 | lackita | same error |
| 04:49.05 | spermie | mwilson if im such a moron stop asking me stupid questions |
| 04:49.08 | deadcat | colera: uname -r |
| 04:49.13 | BourneAgain | mwilson: I appreciate your comments about this by the way. And agree that one could never impose this on the open source community. |
| 04:49.16 | streuner | destiny: partman? |
| 04:49.28 | deadcat | spoonman2: girl.. oh no you didnt! |
| 04:49.30 | streuner | destiny: its in debian too, of course. |
| 04:49.39 | destiny | streuner: knoppix uses a good image prog, dont know what its called |
| 04:49.50 | lackita | oh, I got a fix, if I do it through http rather than ftp it seems to work |
| 04:49.53 | streuner | destiny: well, ig knows it ;-) |
| 04:49.55 | colera | deadcat: lol, hey thanks i was using the wrong version |
| 04:49.56 | spoonman2 | deadcat, what? |
| 04:49.58 | colera | : P |
| 04:49.59 | BourneAgain | mwilson: I tried webmin btw, it sucked. |
| 04:50.02 | destiny | streuner: but I cant use it while running debian! need to use a livecd |
| 04:50.09 | deadcat | colera: ha. i knew it. (= |
| 04:50.16 | mtnman | lackita: probably a firewall issue |
| 04:50.18 | mwilson | BourneAgain: Oh, I don't know... the Gnomies seem to be making a good attempt at forcing opaque binary formats down everyone's throat. |
| 04:50.19 | deadcat | spoonman2: cat fight right? (= |
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| 04:50.41 | streuner | destiny: never tried that |
| 04:50.54 | lackita | yeah, that's what I figured the problem was |
| 04:51.09 | hyperstream | on average how long does it take to compile a kernel? |
| 04:51.09 | lackita | but I just wasn't sure how to reconfigure it |
| 04:51.12 | lackita | thx for the help |
| 04:51.14 | destiny | streuner: then if Debian breaks, you simply restore image and in 10 mins up and running again :) |
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| 04:51.26 | mtnman | lackita: more specifically, many firewalls require the use of passive mode for ftp |
| 04:51.32 | streuner | hyperstream: 1hr, 30 minutes and 3 seconds. |
| 04:51.34 | destiny | streuner: and it can save you weeks of having to configure and setup Debian all over again |
| 04:51.41 | hyperstream | thanks |
| 04:51.45 | streuner | haha |
| 04:51.47 | streuner | wait |
| 04:51.53 | stew | weeks? |
| 04:51.58 | spoonman2 | deadcat, oh! comeon ... if all i wanted was to sniff passwords i wont be here. so shut up. |
| 04:52.00 | streuner | hyperstream: it depends on many things... |
| 04:52.05 | lackita | yeah, that's probably exactly the problem since I can ftp normally just fine |
| 04:52.08 | Nigel_ | hyperstream: i've built one in under an hour |
| 04:52.12 | hyperstream | i just downloaded a source. and compiled it |
| 04:52.19 | deadcat | spoonman2: you shut the fuck up |
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| 04:52.46 | BourneAgain | mwilson: Does that require two data models? |
| 04:53.14 | spoonman2 | deadcat, yeah! swell. I wonder why I have been on this channle for the past 5 years and never talked to you? oh! i remember you used to be in my /ignore list. |
| 04:53.22 | cesar_ | I am trying to mount my windows drive but i can't seem to be able to access it as user |
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| 04:53.26 | dondelelcaro | deadcat: if you need to tell someone to shut the fuck up, use /ignore instead. |
| 04:53.28 | cesar_ | i have the "user" option in /etc/fstab |
| 04:53.29 | deadcat | spoonman2: put me back then |
| 04:53.40 | dondelelcaro | spoonman2: likewise. |
| 04:53.41 | streuner | destiny: you are talking rather about partimage then |
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| 04:53.56 | BourneAgain | mwilson: It is very similar it appears. |
| 04:54.14 | streuner | !info partimage |
| 04:54.15 | destiny | streuner: partimage is in Debian, is that what knoppix uses too? |
| 04:54.19 | dpkg | partimage: (backup partitions into a compressed image file), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.6.4-12 (sid), Packaged size: 265 kB, Installed size: 904 kB |
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| 04:54.28 | mtnman | cesar_: man mount will tell you how to mount it and give proper permissions to your regular user. |
| 04:54.43 | streuner | destiny: i don't think its part of knoppix (partimage) |
| 04:54.48 | cesar_ | i want it to be done automatically though thrugh fstab |
| 04:54.54 | cesar_ | and i have the "auto" option set there |
| 04:55.08 | streuner | destiny: why should somebody put partimage onto a LIVE-CD? |
| 04:55.23 | BourneAgain | mwilson: These same people will probably want processors to fetch and execute everything from an XML file :( |
| 04:55.28 | mtnman | cesar_: between man mount and man fstab, you should be able to find your answer. |
| 04:55.32 | streuner | destiny: go and read ig and search for part* |
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| 04:56.01 | streuner | destiny: d-i has a new tool which helps you to partition HD's |
| 04:56.04 | BourneAgain | mwilson: I can only imagine XML opcodes :( |
| 04:56.05 | kamaraju | Can you give some references on how to patch the kernel? In particular I am interested in getting swsusp2? But I do not know how to patch the kernel. A Howto or step by step instructions would be ideal. Thanks. |
| 04:56.12 | Loof | Odd little question... anyone know if there is a driver of any sort that would allow an MS windows client to recieve a (twain?) stream off a v4l device? Basically, to have it show up under windows as if captured from a local input/camera. |
| 04:56.13 | dli | deadcat streuner : ipcheck sounds good for dyndns |
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| 04:56.46 | mysurfguide | Hey guys, I got a question regarding Cedega and Point2Play, first is , does anybody in here use it?:) , and 2 is, what is the difference between them, do they require eachother, and what exactly are they?. and 3 is, is it necessary to get a subscription account? |
| 04:56.49 | mwilson | Oh, goodie... cron has a new maintainer. Is it safe? |
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| 04:57.20 | morbius | anybody using k3b and know how to get mp3s to work? |
| 04:57.30 | mwilson | To "work"? |
| 04:57.40 | morbius | to "burn" |
| 04:57.51 | mysurfguide | works fine here morbius |
| 04:57.57 | mwilson | They're files. Why would it be hard to burn a file? |
| 04:57.58 | p8m | morbius: As redbook or files? |
| 04:58.15 | deadcat | morbius: try gcombust. it MIGHT work. |
| 04:58.25 | morbius | i start an audio project and try and drag-n-drop them into the queue and it says unknown filetype |
| 04:58.30 | mwilson | Of course what you ACTUALLY mean is that you think k3b should automagically convert them to the proper WAVE files for you. |
| 04:58.52 | mwilson | ewwwwww... sysvinit NMU. |
| 04:59.04 | deadcat | sysvinit is broken |
| 04:59.12 | mwilson | Is it? |
| 04:59.17 | deadcat | ya. |
| 04:59.27 | mwilson | How so? Result of the NMU? |
| 04:59.33 | deadcat | mwilson: oh no. base-config |
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| 04:59.41 | mwilson | I've never heard of this guy. |
| 04:59.57 | Loof | So, hmm |
| 05:00.02 | Loof | Anyone have any ideas? |
| 05:00.31 | cesar_ | is there nother way to make mount automatic besides fstab? |
| 05:00.35 | cesar_ | its not working thru fstab |
| 05:00.45 | cesar_ | the filesystem mounts but i cant read it as an user |
| 05:00.49 | mwilson | cesar_: Then set it up correctly. |
| 05:01.02 | stew | mwilson: changelog seems to say new maintainer, not nmu |
| 05:01.03 | deadcat | cesar_: thats not fstab problem. thats your problem |
| 05:01.14 | stew | mwilson: nevermind, i'm wrong |
| 05:01.22 | cesar_ | no, i put user under the options of fstab |
| 05:01.29 | mwilson | stew: cron has a new maintainer, sysvinit is an NMU |
| 05:01.35 | cesar_ | i can read from a cd, and the options are the same almost |
| 05:01.42 | deadcat | cesar_: uid, user means user can mount |
| 05:01.51 | stew | mwilson: yeah. i see that now |
| 05:01.53 | cesar_ | how do i make it so user can read |
| 05:01.54 | cesar_ | in fstab |
| 05:01.59 | mwilson | cesar_: So what you're saying is that you didn't set it up correctly, and you're surprised that it doesn't work. |
| 05:02.04 | deadcat | cesar_: man mount or fstab |
| 05:02.08 | deadcat | cesar_: its there. |
| 05:02.10 | stew | mwilson: nmu closes 22 bugs, christ |
| 05:02.34 | dondelelcaro | yerp; considering the fact that there hasn't been an upload of sysvinit since january, it's not surprising |
| 05:02.35 | foo | Hmm, does dmesg show me everything that starts up when I start up my system ? |
| 05:02.39 | cesar_ | i want to know how to set it up correctly |
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| 05:02.49 | cesar_ | which is why i'm in a debian chat room |
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| 05:03.04 | dondelelcaro | cesar_: use the paster bot to paste your fstab |
| 05:03.09 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Yeah, well, look who the maintainer is. |
| 05:03.17 | dondelelcaro | !tell cesar_ -about paster |
| 05:03.51 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: i bet he needs uid=value.. but iam just guessing (= |
| 05:03.57 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: I don't recognize that name |
| 05:04.29 | paster | "cesar_" at 71.134.222.190 pasted ".." (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/505 |
| 05:04.38 | deadcat | theres like 50 debian maintainer.. way too much |
| 05:04.39 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: He's on my personal list of "audit everything he does before allowing it to install." |
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| 05:04.43 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# ifconfig eth1 up |
| 05:04.43 | foo | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 05:04.45 | foo | I just compiled my custom kernel. Did I do something wrong? |
| 05:04.47 | Guerin | eh |
| 05:04.51 | Guerin | 50 debian maintainers? |
| 05:04.55 | vl_h | cesar_: /dev/hda1/mnt/cvfat uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=007,iocharset=koi8-r,codepage=12510 0 |
| 05:05.00 | Guerin | how about the other 950 or so? |
| 05:05.09 | mysurfguide | okay just one question if anybody knows, do you HAVE to pay on subscription in order to use cedega and point2play to play games? |
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| 05:05.26 | dondelelcaro | mysurfguide: try asking in #cedega |
| 05:05.31 | mysurfguide | i did |
| 05:05.34 | mysurfguide | their kinda dead |
| 05:05.39 | dondelelcaro | mysurfguide: well, they would know. |
| 05:05.45 | Guerin | !they don't know |
| 05:05.45 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 05:05.46 | mysurfguide | sorry to bother you all, i figure someone here would know |
| 05:06.09 | deadcat | !nmu |
| 05:06.09 | dpkg | hmm... nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 05:06.10 | mysurfguide | that bot ever get tired? |
| 05:06.11 | mysurfguide | :P |
| 05:06.21 | cesar_ | where does it say on man fstab that you can put in uid=, etc in the fourth field/ |
| 05:06.26 | mwilson | This is more than halfway to a hijack. |
| 05:06.32 | mwilson | IMHO, anyway. |
| 05:06.37 | deadcat | cesar_: we said man mount or fstab.. |
| 05:06.41 | Guerin | cesar_: man fstab |grep uid |
| 05:06.44 | dondelelcaro | cesar_: in the man mount; part that man fstab; refers to |
| 05:06.58 | rob_lt | mysurfguide, http://winecvs.linux-gamers.net/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 05:07.15 | mysurfguide | rob_lt: thanks alot :) ill try there |
| 05:07.16 | dondelelcaro | cesar_: hint: SEE ALSO getmntent(3), mount(8), swapon(8), fs(5) nfs(5) <-- this section will become tiresomely familiar to you |
| 05:07.19 | deadcat | cesar_: you're just lazy to search |
| 05:07.25 | mwilson | Hm, no, not tonight. |
| 05:07.43 | vl_h | cesar_: have you seen my post? |
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| 05:07.57 | rob_lt | mysurfguide, but besides using a CVS script, or downloading it on some p2p network, you do have to pay for it to use it. |
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| 05:08.12 | cesar_ | i have no idea what uid and all that stuff is |
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| 05:08.15 | super_spy | hi all |
| 05:08.31 | super_spy | how to install mp3 player on my ubuntu ? |
| 05:08.33 | deadcat | cesar_: so man mount and read them |
| 05:08.39 | deadcat | super_spy: #ubuntu |
| 05:08.39 | dondelelcaro | super_spy: ask in #ubuntu |
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| 05:08.56 | dondelelcaro | cesar_: uid is the name of the user who you want to own the files in the non-POSIX compliant filesystem; which the mount manpage explains. |
| 05:08.58 | deadcat | super_spy: why would you be in #debian if you know theres a #ubuntu ? |
| 05:09.10 | super_spy | yups |
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| 05:09.23 | super_spy | as i know, ubuntu is from debian |
| 05:09.32 | Arafangion | Anyone toy around with "FreeNX"? What is it like? |
| 05:09.33 | deadcat | super_spy: as we know. its NOT |
| 05:09.34 | cesar_ | i think man fstab is hard to understand |
| 05:09.36 | mwilson | super_spy: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 05:09.40 | dondelelcaro | super_spy: #ubuntu is the proper place to ask. |
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| 05:09.49 | mwilson | Man, this NMU guy is busy. metamail, too. |
| 05:09.54 | super_spy | thanks |
| 05:10.03 | Arafangion | Supaplex, ubuntu is _based_ on debian. |
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| 05:10.15 | deadcat | cesar_: because its Linux Programmer's Manual |
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| 05:10.32 | vl_h | cesar_: uid - unique identifier |
| 05:10.39 | deadcat | mwilson: hes up to no good.. |
| 05:10.40 | dondelelcaro | vl_h: uid==user id |
| 05:10.41 | Arafangion | vl_h, Not neccessarily. |
| 05:10.42 | mwilson | Arafangion: So? |
| 05:10.46 | cesar_ | damn. now its not letting me unmount |
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| 05:10.48 | dondelelcaro | (in this case at least) |
| 05:10.59 | mysurfguide | rob_lt: that's what i was afraid of, but before getting more involved with it, i wish to get to know it better... it requires such as login in order to play games.. so no offline playing? |
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| 05:11.08 | mwilson | deadcat: I have no idea if he is or not, and don't have the energy to audit tonight. |
| 05:11.45 | deadcat | mwilson: read tomorrow's newspaper. "many debian machines rooted!" |
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| 05:11.54 | deadcat | .. except one fellow.. |
| 05:12.06 | spermie | how should i partition a 60 gig ? |
| 05:12.14 | dondelelcaro | he's a DD; it's not like he doesn't already have root on your machine. |
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| 05:12.15 | Arafangion | mwilson, Well, they do use debian's source packages (afaik), and they do use dpkg, so in that sense it's debian based and not redhat based. |
| 05:12.17 | deadcat | spermie: 30 30 |
| 05:12.28 | mwilson | deadcat: So wait a few days, see what bugs get filed. I'm apparently unique in being the only unstable user who won't die a painful death if he doesn't instantly install a newly uploaded package. |
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| 05:12.44 | mysurfguide | spermie: here is a good guide for partitions http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch3.en.html#s3.2 |
| 05:12.44 | rob_lt | mysurfguide, I have no idea... i don't use it because I don't agree with it, I just know that there are ways of getting it |
| 05:12.49 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: yes, that's all true. We just don't support it here. |
| 05:12.50 | deadcat | mwilson: what version you using right now? |
| 05:12.58 | Arafangion | don_inlab, Indeed. |
| 05:12.59 | mwilson | Arafangion: Except that (a) they don't, and (b) using dpkg or not is not relevant. |
| 05:13.03 | spermie | mysurfguide thanks |
| 05:13.09 | mysurfguide | rob_lt: well i can get the latest cedega and the latest point2play, just wondering if its worth it |
| 05:13.10 | mwilson | deadcat: Version of what? |
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| 05:13.14 | mysurfguide | spermie: np |
| 05:13.17 | deadcat | mwilson: cron right? |
| 05:13.18 | Arafangion | *dondelelcaro: Indeed, (dang tabs) |
| 05:13.32 | Vinland | whats that package that creates thumbnails for like postnuke sites and stuff. |
| 05:13.48 | dondelelcaro | Vinland: usually imagemagick or libimlib2 |
| 05:13.52 | mysurfguide | gd? |
| 05:13.56 | mysurfguide | netpbm |
| 05:13.59 | mysurfguide | imagemagick |
| 05:14.03 | mwilson | deadcat: Cron and sysvinit and metamail. |
| 05:14.07 | Vinland | gd I think is what I'm looking for |
| 05:14.25 | mysurfguide | apt-get install libgd2 should work, not sure |
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| 05:14.26 | Vinland | yep thats it..thanks I couldn't remember what it was called |
| 05:14.31 | nagual | oh man. i just got a new chair for my office at home, it absolutely owns, im so glad i can finally sit comfortably in front of my computer :) |
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| 05:14.58 | mysurfguide | Vinland: http://www.boutell.com/gd |
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| 05:16.59 | twb | Remind me how you install one package in aptitude without holding other things that want to be upgraded? |
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| 05:17.30 | colera | deadcat: w007!! it's working!!! thanks for all the help |
| 05:17.31 | dondelelcaro | twb: just run aptitude install foopkg; from the commandline. |
| 05:17.39 | colera | i am now posting from my wireless card |
| 05:17.44 | deadcat | colera: cool. (= |
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| 05:18.08 | twb | dondelelcaro: ah, of course. |
| 05:18.12 | twb | Much obliged, chaps. |
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| 05:20.41 | Analyser | hi people, someone how can i set multiples ip address into a same line of iptables, something like: iptables -A INPUT -s 10.0.0.1,10.0.0.2 -j ACCEPT ? |
| 05:20.44 | cesar_ | "unrecognized mount option codepage" |
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| 05:21.03 | V4mp | ne1 around know about oident? |
| 05:21.14 | Vladi_here | cesar_: omit it |
| 05:21.20 | peterS | V4mp: the people who know about oident do not like to talk to the people who use abbreviations like 'ne1' |
| 05:21.22 | deadcat | !ne1 |
| 05:21.23 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 05:21.30 | peterS | just fyi |
| 05:21.38 | ne1 | !ne1 |
| 05:21.39 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 05:21.41 | ne1 | liar! |
| 05:21.48 | deadcat | ah. ne1 IS here (= |
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| 05:22.19 | jm_ | Analyser: read iptables tutorial |
| 05:22.36 | cesar_ | i dont think my system is fat32 anyawy |
| 05:22.39 | peterS | !annoy astronut |
| 05:22.42 | cesar_ | shoud i just put auto for that |
| 05:22.50 | astronut | peterS: apparently doesn't work |
| 05:23.11 | Vladi_here | cesar_: no |
| 05:23.26 | Vladi_here | what is your fs? |
| 05:23.31 | cesar_ | i put auto and it worked |
| 05:23.33 | cesar_ | its probably ntfs |
| 05:23.36 | cesar_ | i use xp |
| 05:23.40 | astronut | cesar_: type mount to see |
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| 05:23.56 | cesar_ | yes ntfs |
| 05:24.02 | cesar_ | thank you |
| 05:24.03 | cesar_ | :) |
| 05:24.16 | cesar_ | how do i get the little drive icon to show up on my desktop? it was showing up before when it wasnt working |
| 05:24.21 | foo | I used default config options for menuconfig, and it didn't work. Anyway to grab a working .config for a 2.6.11 kernel for debian for a laptop ? |
| 05:24.22 | astronut | i have a hard drive on my exclusively linux system that is fat32 |
| 05:24.25 | astronut | i thought i'd dualboot |
| 05:24.27 | astronut | i didn't |
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| 05:24.47 | jm_ | foo: ls /boot |
| 05:24.54 | astronut | and now i don't have room to move stuff off it |
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| 05:25.19 | foo | jm_: Can I use a 2.4.27-2 config for a 2.6.11.1 kernel ? |
| 05:25.32 | peterS | foo: it won't do you all that much good |
| 05:25.34 | spermie | how big should swap area be on my hdd? |
| 05:25.38 | jm_ | foo: better don't |
| 05:25.44 | spermie | 2.2gb? |
| 05:25.50 | peterS | foo: you'll have to run 'make oldconfig' or 'make menuconfig' and a majority of the options won't get their defaults set from the old config |
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| 05:25.59 | foo | jm_ and peterS: hmm, I see. Something I did wrong with the .config and I can't get my pcmcia card working |
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| 05:26.50 | foo | jm_ and peterS: I forgot I went back to add PCMCIA support for the .config, and then I ran make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image --initrd and it didn't take that long .. should I have done a make clean and *then* ran that command? |
| 05:27.04 | cesar_ | is linux ok with writing to ntfs or should i make the drive read only? |
| 05:27.12 | jm_ | foo: that should work fine with 2.6 kernel build system |
| 05:27.13 | foo | cesar_: read only |
| 05:27.22 | peterS | foo: in theory it should not matter. in practice I would |
| 05:27.22 | cesar_ | how come? |
| 05:27.28 | foo | jm_: Ok, I did that, and it still didn't work.. hmm |
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| 05:27.33 | deadcat | cesar_: try write see if it works. |
| 05:27.33 | jm_ | foo: not sure how make-kpkg fits into it, I don't use it |
| 05:27.38 | foo | cesar_: Linux isn't stable with writing to NTFS |
| 05:27.40 | cesar_ | ok |
| 05:27.43 | foo | jm_: Hmm, I see |
| 05:27.44 | Faithful | I am desperate!!! Anyone got a 2.6.12 em64t smp deb? |
| 05:27.47 | dli | deadcat: ipcheck works for me at dyndns.org |
| 05:27.49 | cesar_ | strange |
| 05:27.53 | colera | is java-package the best solution for java? |
| 05:27.56 | deadcat | dli: cool. |
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| 05:28.02 | Arafangion | cesar_, MS hasn't released the specs for the NTFS format. |
| 05:28.07 | cesar_ | does anyone know how to get the little drive icon to appear on my desktop? |
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| 05:28.12 | cesar_ | oh.. ok |
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| 05:28.17 | dutchfish | what would be the most simple approach to detect a defective eth-adapter on my lan with debian in a console? |
| 05:28.20 | Arafangion | cesar_, And it's sufficiently complicated that nobody has been able to completely reverse engineer it. |
| 05:28.25 | shmloe | How do I make my debian box to pick a hostname from dhcp/dns? |
| 05:28.28 | dli | deadcat, I have to put it in cron manually, since it doesn't run daemon, how to do that |
| 05:28.29 | cesar_ | what fs does linux use |
| 05:28.37 | peterS | Arafangion: that's actually not the problem. ntfs has been completely reverse engineered. it's just a very very complex filesystem and there's been limited manpower |
| 05:28.38 | mwilson | cesar_: Yes. |
| 05:28.40 | deadcat | dli: man 5 crontab |
| 05:28.42 | Arafangion | cesar_, ext3 is one of them. |
| 05:28.55 | peterS | Arafangion: so it is, as they say, a Mere Matter Of Programming at this point |
| 05:29.03 | peterS | or a SMOP, I guess the phrase is |
| 05:29.03 | Arafangion | peterS, Cool, got a website? |
| 05:29.06 | cesar_ | at least they figured out how to read from it :) |
| 05:29.09 | Arafangion | SMOP? |
| 05:29.09 | peterS | Arafangion: linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net |
| 05:29.12 | bobibleybo1 | Hey I am looking for information about the breakage of evolution in testing where should I go? |
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| 05:29.15 | Arafangion | Cool. |
| 05:29.16 | peterS | Arafangion: Simple Matter Of Programming |
| 05:29.26 | deadcat | dli: 0,30 * * * * ipcheck <-- something like this |
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| 05:29.38 | dondelelcaro | bobibleybo1: the bts |
| 05:29.39 | songpenguin | hell |
| 05:29.40 | dli | deadcat, thanks |
| 05:29.42 | songpenguin | hello sry |
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| 05:29.54 | dondelelcaro | !tell bobibleybo1 -about bts |
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| 05:31.07 | bobibleybo1 | Thank you |
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| 05:31.45 | mortalman | Anyone have problems with audio in quake3 on sarge? |
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| 05:32.15 | songpenguin | chould someone help me with ALSA, I have a USB card and whenever I try to play a DVD or an mp3 etc etc and there is any load on the computer at all it stutters like crazy |
| 05:32.29 | songpenguin | btw this doesn't happen in other distroas |
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| 05:32.38 | rob_lt | songpenguin, what are you playing the dvd with? |
| 05:32.54 | songpenguin | rob_lt: I have tried xine and mplayer |
| 05:33.05 | rob_lt | songpenguin, did you use -ao alsa with mplayer? |
| 05:33.09 | songpenguin | rob_lt: and the video works find |
| 05:33.18 | songpenguin | rob_lt, no let me try |
| 05:33.19 | rob_lt | also, -vo xv is usually the best |
| 05:33.25 | rob_lt | mplayer -vo xv -ao alsa dvd://1 |
| 05:33.28 | songpenguin | yeah, I use xv |
| 05:33.39 | cesar_ | hey |
| 05:33.47 | songpenguin | hey |
| 05:33.49 | trend_ | hello.. I do a netstat -lnp and I see: unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 4002367 |
| 05:33.53 | spermie | what |
| 05:33.53 | trend_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.05 | trend_ | how can I dissable this service? and what service is it? |
| 05:34.06 | cesar_ | how do i make it so that a window doesnt open every time i go thru the filesystem |
| 05:34.20 | dondelelcaro | trend_: that's not a service, that's a socket, and it's postgresql. |
| 05:34.21 | jm_ | trend_: find the package owning the file, read its man pages |
| 05:34.25 | spermie | What kernel-image should i choose 2.6.8? |
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| 05:34.52 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 05:35.01 | poonj | is there such thing as an SMS solution for linux? |
| 05:35.02 | peterS | spermie: for a pentium iii? -686 |
| 05:35.02 | songpenguin | rob_lt, nope, no good |
| 05:35.17 | poonj | software management service like they have in windows server? |
| 05:35.18 | trend_ | dondelelcaro: thanks for the INFORMATIVE ANSWER.. I just hate when newb are like.. read the manual.. |
| 05:35.32 | trend_ | and don't tell you crap.. |
| 05:35.40 | songpenguin | rob_lt: it sounds like listening to stuff through a big fan (without all the wind) |
| 05:35.56 | dutchfish | poonj, apt-cache search sms |
| 05:35.58 | jm_ | isn't it amazing? morons trying to use Linux and can't handle very simple tasks |
| 05:36.09 | dondelelcaro | trend_: and yes, apropos postgresql; would have informed you about the same thing. |
| 05:36.09 | rob_lt | songpenguin, hrmm.... that's all I can think of off the top of my head |
| 05:36.21 | songpenguin | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.25 | dondelelcaro | s/postgresql/postmaster/ |
| 05:36.28 | rob_lt | songpenguin, what kernel are you using? |
| 05:36.31 | songpenguin | rob_lt: well thanks anyways |
| 05:36.32 | spermie | peterS pentium 4 |
| 05:36.40 | songpenguin | rob_lt: a coustom 2.6.8 |
| 05:36.48 | jm_ | songpenguin: yes, but I never had an issue with reading the docs, and I didn't complain when someone told me to read them |
| 05:36.50 | trend_ | jm_: lol.. what is simple to one person isn't simple to another... common sense to one person isn't common to another.. you are silly |
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| 05:37.10 | jm_ | trend_: yes, keep thinking that |
| 05:37.20 | trend_ | hah, another good response.. |
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| 05:37.24 | rob_lt | songpenguin, how did you install alsa? Have you run alsa-conf? Did you install alsa-oss also? |
| 05:37.24 | songpenguin | jm_: I only get mad when they insist on not even glancing at google |
| 05:37.49 | songpenguin | rob_lt, yes, and I tried the alsa stuff as modules and built in |
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| 05:37.54 | jm_ | songpenguin: you should definitely be mad now, I can tell you this person didn't bother using google to find the answer to his question |
| 05:38.03 | songpenguin | rob_lt: does debian not use the kernel stuffs? |
| 05:38.19 | songpenguin | jm_: let me guess.. first hit? |
| 05:38.20 | rob_lt | songpenguin, kernel modules yes |
| 05:38.21 | trend_ | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=unix++2++++++%5B+ACC+%5D+++++STREAM+++++LISTENING+++++4002367+4341%2Fpostmaster+++++%2Ftmp%2F.s.PGSQL.5432 |
| 05:38.30 | trend_ | jm_: open that up... |
| 05:38.37 | songpenguin | rob_lt: so I do need it in the kernel... okay |
| 05:38.45 | trend_ | jm_: open this up too: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=+%2Ftmp%2F.s.PGSQL.5432 |
| 05:38.47 | bob2 | is alsa-source updated anymore? |
| 05:38.58 | bob2 | that would be pimp if it knew to divert the kernel's modules |
| 05:39.06 | rob_lt | songpenguin, the alsa modules are from the kernel source, but they are not compiled into the kernel, they are available as modules |
| 05:39.20 | trend_ | jm_: now take the dildo out of your ass and say you were wrong |
| 05:39.20 | songpenguin | rob_lt: elaborate... |
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| 05:39.25 | foo | I get a failed to load pcmcia_core when starting up .. any ideas? I just created a custom kernel on debian. |
| 05:39.29 | songpenguin | rob_lt: there is a special package? |
| 05:39.31 | dondelelcaro | trend_: if you had searched for postmaster; you would have gained enlightenement. Start with the most common things first, then add the more complex things. |
| 05:39.40 | songpenguin | rob_lt: I don't put it in with make menuconfig? |
| 05:39.58 | jm_ | bob2: you mean to have a newer version than in kernel? but what if it needed newer kernel source, would that help? |
| 05:40.26 | rob_lt | songpenguin, I'm just stating that the debian kernel compiles the alsa stuff (and most everything else) as modules, ie. you would answser "m" as opposed to "y" in menuconfig. |
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| 05:40.43 | songpenguin | rob_lt: okay, thanks |
| 05:40.47 | rob_lt | np |
| 05:41.14 | songpenguin | rob_lt: I'm going to try a default debian kernel .config, see if it works better |
| 05:41.37 | rob_lt | songpenguin, why not just apt-get install the kernel-image? |
| 05:41.52 | ionrivera | Hi anyone? how would i open or close a certain port? |
| 05:42.08 | songpenguin | rob_lt: because I have some hardware that doesn't play nice with the default kernel... |
| 05:42.22 | bob2 | ionrivera: you don't, in general |
| 05:42.54 | ionrivera | o wont be able to? |
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| 05:43.13 | jm_ | ionrivera: not sure what you want to achieve - the most common way is to just stop the service using it, then there are things like cutter, iptables, kernel module to close open FD-s and so on |
| 05:43.16 | spermie | ok after i finsh the base system install on debain and i come to the konsole what do i do next? |
| 05:43.29 | fatal_ | log in |
| 05:43.30 | rob_lt | songpenguin, I see |
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| 05:44.14 | rob_lt | spermie, apt-get install x-window-system gnome/kde gdm/kdm |
| 05:44.21 | bob2 | ionrivera: sure you can, but asking that shows you've been using windows too long |
| 05:44.27 | bob2 | ionrivera: what are you trying to do, specifically? |
| 05:45.15 | ionrivera | ye ure right |
| 05:45.30 | rob_lt | spermie, are you in KDE with konsole? |
| 05:45.32 | ionrivera | im just new to linux |
| 05:45.47 | songpenguin | rob_lt: thanks for all the help |
| 05:45.49 | Vinland | who is mauddib? |
| 05:45.55 | songpenguin | ionrivera: welcome abord |
| 05:45.58 | spermie | rob_lt no, but kde is what i want |
| 05:45.58 | dutchfish | how to detect a faulty adapter on a lan with console tools on a remote debian? anyone can give me a clue? |
| 05:46.00 | Vinland | I've seen that name in a lot of forums..is it some famous guy or something |
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| 05:46.34 | rob_lt | spermie, then login as root, and type the following apt-get install x-window-system kde kdm |
| 05:46.42 | rob_lt | songpenguin, sorry I couldn't be more help though |
| 05:46.59 | songpenguin | rob_lt: no prob |
| 05:47.09 | alexluna | alex |
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| 05:49.31 | bob2 | ionrivera: so, Debian has no firewall by default |
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| 05:49.40 | bob2 | ionrivera: so there's nothing to fiddle when you install new services |
| 05:49.43 | lvdsn_ | hello |
| 05:49.54 | alexluna | sdkjflsdfj |
| 05:50.26 | deadcat | google discriminates (= |
| 05:50.33 | dutchfish | to put it in other words how do i detect late collisions with debian tools on a console? |
| 05:50.34 | spermie | rob_lt when i did that comand i got , package x-windows-system is not available, but is referred to by another package. this may mean that the packafe is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only availabe from another source |
| 05:50.37 | lvdsn_ | someone could help me with Install Sarge without USB ? |
| 05:51.09 | deadcat | lvdsn_: you dont need usb to isntall sarge |
| 05:51.26 | peterS | Vinland: Muad'Dib was the main character in Frank Herbert's rather well-known SF book "Dune" |
| 05:51.27 | bob2 | dutchfish: what does collisions have to do with a dud installer? |
| 05:51.33 | rob_lt | spermie, try apt-get install x-window-system-core kde kdm |
| 05:51.43 | rob_lt | spermie, notice there is not s in window |
| 05:51.44 | peterS | Vinland: rather it's the name the main character, Paul Atreides, took on |
| 05:51.47 | rob_lt | s/not/no |
| 05:51.55 | dutchfish | bob2, i just want to detect a faulty adapter in my lan |
| 05:52.11 | dondelelcaro | or perhaps, it's what he became |
| 05:52.19 | peterS | dondelelcaro: heh, that's another way to look at it |
| 05:52.31 | bob2 | dutchfish: how could a machine on the network detect that? |
| 05:52.44 | dutchfish | bob2, thats my question |
| 05:52.57 | bob2 | I don't think it can |
| 05:53.04 | bob2 | unless you define "broken" in a very strict manner |
| 05:53.16 | spermie | rob_lt Mmmm nothing seems to be working |
| 05:53.38 | rob_lt | spermie, same error? Is this on a fresh debian sarge install? |
| 05:53.42 | dutchfish | bob2, i meant this : http://support.3com.com/infodeli/tools/netmgt/tncsunix/product/091500/c11ploss.htm#17843 |
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| 05:54.10 | spermie | rob_lt yes |
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| 05:54.29 | songpenguin | hello |
| 05:54.50 | dutchfish | bob2, something like rmon |
| 05:55.03 | rob_lt | spermie, ok, run "apt-setup" and pick a new mirror, and then "apt-get update" and then "apt-get upgrade" and then the command I wrote earlier to install kde |
| 05:55.29 | songpenguin | rob_lt: hey, thanks a lot, the 2.6.8-2-686 kernel works fine |
| 05:55.34 | kamaraju | Using latest mozilla-firefox in Sid, I am not able to play any songs on for example, http://www.greatandhra.com/movies/listen/manasantanuve_songs.html . Can someone tell me what package I should install for it to play? I already installed mozilla-mplayer. But still no use. |
| 05:55.43 | songpenguin | rob_lt: now all I have to do it trim it down to what I like! |
| 05:55.43 | rob_lt | songpenguin, great :) |
| 05:56.01 | rob_lt | songpenguin, is your other device working? |
| 05:56.27 | songpenguin | rob_lt: yeah |
| 05:56.34 | jm_ | kamaraju: you can configure mozilla to start desired application for given mime types, it's in preferences |
| 05:56.38 | songpenguin | rob_lt: but It's not as nice as I would like it |
| 05:56.55 | spermie | rob_lt does it matter what mirror i choose? |
| 05:57.21 | songpenguin | rob_lt: the problem is when I have the snd_intel8x0 module loaded (even as #2) firefox insists on using it instead of my USB card |
| 05:57.22 | rob_lt | spermie, choose one that's in your country I suppose, for speed's sake |
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| 05:57.43 | jm_ | songpenguin: that's probably because it's your default device |
| 05:57.54 | kamaraju | jm_: What mime type should I give? |
| 05:57.57 | songpenguin | jm_: I jsut said it wasn't |
| 05:58.12 | songpenguin | jm_: it's odd, I think it has somehting to do with alsa-oss |
| 05:58.14 | rob_lt | songpenguin, oh... I have zero experience with usb sound. What device are you using? |
| 05:58.16 | jm_ | songpenguin: heh no, in terms of ALSA ;) |
| 05:58.28 | songpenguin | jm_: tell more! |
| 05:58.36 | songpenguin | rob_lt: thanks anyways |
| 05:58.38 | Angel-SL | hi |
| 05:58.45 | Angel-SL | i have this .deb downloaded |
| 05:58.49 | Angel-SL | how do i install it |
| 05:58.51 | peterS | Angel-SL: dpkg -i |
| 05:59.06 | jm_ | kamaraju: it says audio/x-mpeg for mp3 |
| 05:59.11 | rob_lt | peterS, I bet you had that typed out before he even asked what to do with the .deb :) |
| 05:59.23 | peterS | rob_lt: almost (: |
| 05:59.25 | jm_ | songpenguin: well do you need to use i810 stuff at all? |
| 05:59.29 | peterS | rob_lt: I didn't, but I thought about it |
| 05:59.52 | songpenguin | jm_: yes, my TV tuner card is attached to it directly (sadly) |
| 05:59.57 | peterS | rob_lt: I've typed "dpkg -i" often enough that it flies off the fingers pretty quickly |
| 06:00.10 | rob_lt | peterS, true |
| 06:00.14 | jm_ | songpenguin: tried changing the order in which modules load for your sound devices? |
| 06:00.24 | songpenguin | jm_: yeah |
| 06:00.42 | jm_ | songpenguin: otherwise you can configure this in ~/.asoundrc (for well behaved applications anyway) |
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| 06:00.51 | rob_lt | songpenguin, does alsa-conf say anything about a primary device when they are both plugged in? |
| 06:01.09 | songpenguin | rob_lt: alsaconfi ignores my usb device entirely |
| 06:01.14 | rob_lt | ah |
| 06:01.18 | songpenguin | rob_lt: yeah, it's odd, I do it manually |
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| 06:01.43 | Angel-SL | now |
| 06:01.54 | Angel-SL | i dont see a icon 4 opera or in the apps |
| 06:02.10 | songpenguin | jm_: it's no bid deal really, I'm going to be getting a new Tuner card that uses a digital feed so I can get rid of the i810 |
| 06:02.13 | spermie | rob_lt spermie, try apt-get install x-window-system-core ///// that one seemed to work |
| 06:02.25 | peterS | Angel-SL: some window managers need to be restarted in order for menu updates to appear. others just need a bit of time |
| 06:02.25 | songpenguin | jm_: just how do you tell it to not load the i810 module? |
| 06:02.28 | rob_lt | Angel-SL, it's likely in the debian menu, since it's not a gnome specific app |
| 06:02.32 | kamaraju | jm_: I went to edit -> preferences -> downloads -> plug-ins and there is nothing listed. Where does it say audio/x-mpeg? |
| 06:02.33 | jm_ | songpenguin: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 06:02.38 | peterS | Angel-SL: and some third-party debian packages might not correctly add menu items at all |
| 06:02.39 | songpenguin | jm_: thansk |
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| 06:02.44 | Angel-SL | ahh |
| 06:02.49 | Angel-SL | i found it thanks! |
| 06:02.53 | peterS | cool |
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| 06:03.30 | jm_ | kamaraju: you can see it when you try to download the thing (the easiest is to use wget) |
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| 06:04.25 | songpenguin | jm_ rob_lt: thanks a lot for your help |
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| 06:04.31 | jm_ | songpenguin: np |
| 06:04.40 | rob_lt | songpenguin, np... I hope you get everything working |
| 06:04.53 | PortalPerola3302 | someone help me ? |
| 06:04.55 | spermie | rob_lt what do i do after the kde kdm command, actually if u know of any simple install guide that would help so i dont bug you |
| 06:05.01 | songpenguin | rob_lt: I will |
| 06:05.06 | kamaraju | jm_: I am not seeing anything. For example, one of the link is javascript:openSongWindow('manasantanuvve/evvarini eppudu.rm') and I cannot wget it. Are you talking about the mp3 links? I am talking about the links on the left (the javascript links). |
| 06:05.14 | FlitZ | someone help me ? |
| 06:05.26 | FlitZ | i wanna a proxy but without root.... |
| 06:05.40 | songpenguin | rob_lt: jm_: now all I have to do is configure dmix, but I know how to do that... :-) |
| 06:05.49 | FlitZ | compile and execute a proxy in the remote machine... someone help me? |
| 06:05.58 | rob_lt | spermie, well, after apt installs everything and you configure your graphical environment, you can reboot and you should be greated with a graphical login. |
| 06:06.00 | jm_ | kamaraju: yes, those are for realplayer, their mime type is audio/x-pn-realaudio-plugin - so you need to make sure your plugin knows about it |
| 06:06.30 | rob_lt | spermie, FYI, if you use the netinstall CD, and choose "desktop envinronment", you will get alot of these packages installed automagically |
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| 06:06.43 | jm_ | rob_lt: you sure he needs to reboot? he can just start kdm if it won't happen automatically |
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| 06:06.56 | powerson_school | hi~ |
| 06:07.08 | spermie | rob_lt should CVS pserver be enabled? |
| 06:07.20 | kamaraju | My realplayer plugin is working fine. For example I can listen to http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/mainframe.shtml?http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/radio1.shtml?listen |
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| 06:07.22 | rob_lt | jm_, he's a bit new, so saying reboot is easier than trying to explain starting services in /etc/init.d :) |
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| 06:07.29 | rob_lt | spermie, no |
| 06:07.45 | JimButton | ok, after updating to kernel 2.6 the time is 1 hour off and ntpdate tells me "step-systime: Operation not permitted". does anybody know what that means? |
| 06:07.48 | rking | c'mon. hit me with the questions. |
| 06:08.01 | foo | ArmedGeek: hey |
| 06:08.02 | foo | I have a kernel-image-2.6.11.1_custom.1.0_i386.deb and I did dpkg -i <file> to install it .. how can I uninstall it? |
| 06:08.13 | bob2 | JimButton: hm, a Debian default kernel? |
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| 06:08.21 | rob_lt | foo, apt-get remove --purge <packagename> |
| 06:08.22 | JimButton | bob2: no, upstream |
| 06:08.27 | JimButton | bob2: 2.6.12.5 |
| 06:08.27 | rking | JimButton: are you running ntp? |
| 06:08.37 | jm_ | hmm .5 already |
| 06:08.45 | JimButton | rking: yes |
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| 06:09.00 | rking | JimButton: ahh yes, "ntpdate" ha |
| 06:09.15 | destiny | JimButton: you are as cute as a button, aren't you? :) |
| 06:09.26 | foo | rob_lt: E: Couldn't find package kernel-image-2.6.11.1_custom.1.0_i386.deb |
| 06:09.27 | foo | rob_lt: hmm |
| 06:09.39 | JimButton | foo: leave away the part after the _ |
| 06:09.51 | rob_lt | foo, that's not the package name, that is the name of the package with an extension |
| 06:09.54 | llama32 | oh yeah whats the actual time, anyone? (ive got something about 11 minutes off, so if someone gives my the time for any time zone it should be fine) |
| 06:10.05 | JimButton | 0:09 MDT |
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| 06:10.10 | dondelelcaro | llama32: run /date |
| 06:10.12 | cesar_ | what is the best way to install java on my computer? |
| 06:10.13 | cesar_ | the JRE? |
| 06:10.20 | JimButton | but my clock shows 1:09, no, 1:10 now |
| 06:10.22 | JimButton | damnit |
| 06:10.34 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: you're about 10 seconds slow |
| 06:10.50 | rob_lt | foo, export COLUMNS=150; dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 06:10.54 | songpenguin | mine shows 23:03 |
| 06:11.02 | foo | rob_lt: Got it, thanks |
| 06:11.26 | wwgtk | cesar_: practically yes. |
| 06:11.36 | rking | rob_lt: isn't this better (so you don't goof $COLUMNS for that shell): COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l | grep kernel-image |
| 06:11.37 | JimButton | dondelelcaro: i wouldn't care for 10 seconds, it is the one hour that drives me mad :) |
| 06:11.48 | rob_lt | rking, yeah... you're right |
| 06:11.54 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: heh |
| 06:11.59 | JimButton | and that ntpdate apparently can't change the clock anymore, for whatever reason... |
| 06:12.16 | dondelelcaro | JimButton: you've probably got ntp-server running or something |
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| 06:12.26 | JimButton | i just stopped ntp-server |
| 06:12.27 | rob_lt | I'm just trying to help... I'm no guru |
| 06:12.31 | JimButton | still doesn't work |
| 06:12.35 | jm_ | cesar_: java-package |
| 06:12.53 | rking | JimButton: do you know C? |
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| 06:13.24 | kamaraju | jm_: Any idea about my problem? You are the only person that seem to have knowledge about it. |
| 06:13.59 | llama32 | is there a general chat channel here? |
| 06:14.06 | jm_ | kamaraju: like I said, you either need to add mime type and configure the application to be used for it, or read about mplayer-plugin to figure out if it handles this mime type or how to tell it to handle it |
| 06:14.07 | JimButton | rking: yes, why? |
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| 06:14.10 | cesar_ | java-package |
| 06:14.15 | colera | i need the xwindow system header files and libraries where can i find those???? |
| 06:14.15 | cesar_ | do i install that with apt-get? |
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| 06:15.02 | rob_lt | colera, x-window-system-dev |
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| 06:15.46 | bob2 | llama32: #linpeople, I gather |
| 06:16.41 | rob_lt | kamaraju, have you seen this plugin for firefox (if you are using firefox): http://membres.lycos.fr/sethnakht/ |
| 06:16.54 | rking | JimButton: if you apt-get source ntp; you can see where that message is coming from: libntp/systime.c line 533, which is talking about the error coming from ntp_set_tod, which my best guess is that it's coming from the clock_settime/settimeofday() call (i don't see anyhing else in libntp/machines.c's ntp_set_tod that could cause an error like that) |
| 06:17.08 | JimButton | oh, i am stupid |
| 06:17.09 | rob_lt | it's great... I don't use any media plugins, I just use that extension and select the app I want to launch to play the media |
| 06:17.14 | jm_ | nice one |
| 06:17.14 | JimButton | i know what i did wrong |
| 06:17.17 | JimButton | my bad |
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| 06:17.39 | rking | JimButton: running as non-root somehow? |
| 06:17.43 | JimButton | yes |
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| 06:18.11 | spermie | rob_lt ok im loged in to kde now but i need to fix my resolution, and i have alil knowlage of using nano. i just need to know what i need to config. |
| 06:18.11 | hyperstream_ | http://pastebin.com/340525 <-- trouble booting |
| 06:18.31 | kamaraju | rob_lt: No I am checking it now. |
| 06:18.42 | rob_lt | !tell spermie about drx |
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| 06:19.26 | JimButton | rking: thx for your help anyway, even if it turned out to be a case of temporary brain failure on my part :) |
| 06:20.09 | Faithful | Hey guys I really need a kernel-image-2.6.12-em64t-smp kernel... anyone got a deb? |
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| 06:20.17 | rking | JimButton: not a prob, i'm glad it didn't turn out to be some trippy 2.6 thing |
| 06:20.19 | jm_ | hyperstream_: you're missing an initrd line |
| 06:20.38 | Gnea | Faithful: you said that hours ago... why don't you make your own? |
| 06:20.46 | hyperstream_ | yeah but when i compile my kernel. it didnt make a initrd according to the version |
| 06:21.09 | Gnea | hyperstream_: did you run mkinitrd by hand after you installed it? |
| 06:21.20 | hyperstream_ | no i didnt |
| 06:21.25 | jm_ | hyperstream_: then you have misconfigured your kernel |
| 06:21.35 | Gnea | hyperstream_: then you didn't RTFM nor follow it |
| 06:21.38 | jm_ | hyperstream_: /msg dpkg norootfs |
| 06:21.42 | rking | Gnea: what are the initrd's about? i see them with the debian kernels, but have never had to use them with my own |
| 06:21.42 | hats | hmm, what package provides db_fset? |
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| 06:21.56 | hyperstream_ | Gnea, followed a debian linux compile tutorial |
| 06:21.56 | jm_ | hats: /msg dpkg search |
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| 06:22.02 | cesar_ | i installed java thru synaptic and it isnt working in mozilla |
| 06:22.03 | Faithful | Gnea: because my box is crippled... it has no network... so it makes it a little hard to compile a kernel |
| 06:22.03 | cesar_ | what do i do |
| 06:22.12 | Gnea | !tell rking about initrd |
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| 06:22.38 | Gnea | Faithful: you gonna burn a cd or something? |
| 06:22.45 | Gnea | hyperstream_: which one? |
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| 06:23.15 | deadcat | best way to set ulimit is by /etc/security/limit.conf or ulimit command in /etc/{profile,bashrc} ? |
| 06:23.40 | kamaraju | rob_lt: The link you gave is just wonderful. I can play music now. Thanks a lot. |
| 06:24.08 | bob2 | deadcat: I'd go with the first, so I don't have to worry about whether their shell uses profile at all |
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| 06:24.10 | Faithful | Gnea: Yup, I would build a kernel, but first I need to get the box with build-essentials for em64t on it |
| 06:24.14 | hyperstream_ | im finding hold on |
| 06:24.24 | rob_lt | kamaraju, yeah... I love that extension |
| 06:24.36 | Gnea | Faithful: are you on dialup? |
| 06:24.48 | deadcat | bob2: ya. i was thinking that too. ulimit only works if they connect in via telnet/ssh right? because it doesnt do anything when i login a regular user from console |
| 06:24.49 | Faithful | Gnea: 10Mb |
| 06:24.59 | jm_ | deadcat: no |
| 06:25.02 | deadcat | k |
| 06:25.07 | bob2 | deadcat: if it's run from limits.conf, I'd think any PAM login would be affected |
| 06:25.09 | bob2 | deadcat: ie everything |
| 06:25.25 | Gnea | Faithful: and the reason the system has no ethernet on it is because...? |
| 06:25.39 | jm_ | deadcat: make sure PAM config file for login has it enabled |
| 06:25.49 | hats | hmm is there a place that stuff hits before it goes into the pool? I need baseconfig 2.71 |
| 06:25.59 | bob2 | hats: incoming.debian.org |
| 06:26.07 | cesar_ | how do i use java |
| 06:26.12 | cesar_ | i cant use it thru mozilla |
| 06:26.15 | Gnea | Faithful: what i'm saying is, you could install a 32bit environment on a smaller partition and connect using that, just copy the files to another partition then reboot if you have the ability to grab an ip via dhcp |
| 06:26.17 | bob2 | hats: that's for stuff between the time the buildd admin uploads it and dinstall next runs to install it into the pool |
| 06:26.22 | Faithful | debian removed the module in 2.6.11 (required for my sata chipset) and I am told they are putting it back in 2.6.12 |
| 06:26.43 | Guerin | grrr, firehol drops by default instead of rejecting |
| 06:26.44 | Gnea | Faithful: what chipset? |
| 06:26.47 | hyperstream_ | Gnea, http://debian.co.nz/tutorials/3 |
| 06:26.51 | hyperstream_ | its a nice tutorial |
| 06:26.53 | wobbler | Faithful: check here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/base/linux-image-em64t-p4 |
| 06:26.57 | Gnea | yeah, firehol sucks |
| 06:27.17 | Faithful | wobbler: thanks |
| 06:27.25 | TheStick | Guerin: well, it's better to drop... |
| 06:27.34 | TheStick | makes your machine stealthy |
| 06:27.37 | Faithful | Gnea: Intel E7230 |
| 06:27.42 | deadcat | jm_: i have session required pam_limits.so uncommented in pam.d/login |
| 06:27.45 | Zimmie | Hi! I'm installing a Debian system (Sarge) on my mother-in-law's computer. She want's everything in swedish, so I adjusted the locale settings and downloaded a language package for Openoffice 1.1.3. Now everything is in swedish EXCEPT openoffice! I've tried the "Preferences" dialog.... Help! |
| 06:27.47 | hyperstream_ | Gnea, would you say there is anything rong with that tutorial ? |
| 06:27.47 | wobbler | Faithful: no problem |
| 06:27.49 | Gnea | Faithful: hrm hrm |
| 06:28.03 | bob2 | Zimmie: #debian-oo might know more |
| 06:28.05 | Gnea | hyperstream_: other than the fact that it's not loading... |
| 06:28.08 | jm_ | deadcat: then it should work, are you talking about logins via login or via *dm? |
| 06:28.10 | cesar_ | dammit |
| 06:28.13 | Faithful | Gnea: and tg3 (broadcom 5xxx nic) |
| 06:28.14 | wobbler | wonderful world of google |
| 06:28.19 | deadcat | jm_: dm |
| 06:28.24 | hyperstream_ | it loads |
| 06:28.30 | jm_ | deadcat: they have their own PAM config files ;) |
| 06:28.31 | Angel-SL | Hey |
| 06:28.34 | Angel-SL | !c |
| 06:28.34 | dpkg | See, or S-E-E. If you're too lazy to spell it out, we're too lazy to help you. |
| 06:28.41 | deadcat | jm_: i see. also su - user hehe. |
| 06:28.45 | jm_ | deadcat: indeed |
| 06:28.45 | Angel-SL | damn |
| 06:28.48 | Angel-SL | !programming |
| 06:28.48 | dpkg | methinks programming is another word for coding |
| 06:28.51 | hyperstream_ | Gnea, loaded yet? |
| 06:28.53 | rob_lt | cesar_, you have to copy/link the plugin to your plugin directory. Look for something like libjavaplugin_oji.so |
| 06:28.56 | Angel-SL | !coding |
| 06:28.57 | dpkg | well, coding is something which is done by everybody but understood by nobody. |
| 06:29.12 | hyperstream_ | !sex |
| 06:29.12 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 06:29.15 | jm_ | rob_lt: you don't have to copy it if you're using java-package, should happen automatically |
| 06:29.16 | rking | aww, that's a depressin factoid, coding |
| 06:29.25 | Angel-SL | hey |
| 06:29.27 | Gnea | Faithful: yeah, debian takes out support for some of those chipsets due to licensing issues, you have to download the driver from http://www.broadcom.com/drivers/driver-sla.php?driver=570x-Linux |
| 06:29.40 | Angel-SL | anyone knows a good C programming tool |
| 06:29.42 | Gnea | hyperstream_: yeah, finally :) |
| 06:29.45 | Angel-SL | !see Angel-SL |
| 06:29.50 | Angel-SL | hrm |
| 06:29.50 | hyperstream_ | hehe |
| 06:29.56 | hyperstream_ | bit slow in new zealand i take it :D |
| 06:30.03 | rking | Angel-SL: ummmm..mmm....mm.... gcc? |
| 06:30.08 | Angel-SL | gcc |
| 06:30.11 | hyperstream_ | Gnea, so would they be the right steps for compiling a kernel? |
| 06:30.32 | Angel-SL | but heck do you use it to code C |
| 06:30.42 | cesar_ | how do i search for afile in linux |
| 06:30.42 | Gnea | hyperstream_: ok, that's a good tutorial - but they put it around 2.4 and not 2.6 - there are differences |
| 06:30.50 | rking | Angel-SL: vim + make + gcc = happy C |
| 06:30.51 | hyperstream_ | i see |
| 06:30.54 | hyperstream_ | what differences? |
| 06:31.07 | hyperstream_ | that would cause what i have atm that is |
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| 06:31.11 | Gnea | hyperstream_: namely, you need to install module-init-tools for 2.6, and the configure/compile sequence is a bit easier |
| 06:31.13 | Faithful | wobbler: wish I had looked there before... just what I needed.... thanks mate!! |
| 06:31.29 | rking | Angel-SL: each of those three should take about 10 mins to learn enough to not kill self, but each could involve months of study before they're mastered. |
| 06:31.39 | wobbler | Faithful: thats good |
| 06:31.43 | rob_lt | jm_, he said he installed it through synaptic <shrug> |
| 06:31.54 | Angel-SL | i meant a gui to make a program :) |
| 06:31.59 | hyperstream_ | its installing now what does this do? |
| 06:32.02 | rob_lt | cesar_, are you using debian or ubuntu? |
| 06:32.10 | Zimmie | Anyone here that is familiar with the locale settings in Ooo 1.1.3? |
| 06:32.19 | Gnea | like this: make [menu|x|old]config && make && make install && make modules_install - if you use grub, edit your /boot/grub/menu.lst - but make-kpkg is the best way in debian, particularly with a debian-patched source tree |
| 06:32.30 | bob2 | Zimmie: no answer from them? |
| 06:32.31 | Faithful | I've been hunting / googling for hours... sometimes a fresh approach to a problem yields a simple solution |
| 06:32.40 | cesar_ | debian |
| 06:32.45 | Zimmie | bob2: Noone was awake there... |
| 06:32.46 | hyperstream_ | anything else i require? whats the next step? redoing the compile? |
| 06:32.50 | Gnea | gah |
| 06:32.58 | Gnea | this kernel just crapped on this vaio |
| 06:32.58 | jm_ | rob_lt: he installed java-package and failed to read the docs for it ... |
| 06:33.07 | rob_lt | jm_, i was just going to say that |
| 06:33.17 | rking | this is an interesting piece of doc from apt-file: list Alias for list. by the way, my nickname is rking, but you can call me rking |
| 06:33.22 | cesar_ | i dont even know if i installed it |
| 06:33.25 | cesar_ | i went on synaptic |
| 06:33.27 | hyperstream_ | Gnea, so i still have to manually make the initdr? |
| 06:33.30 | Guerin | TheStick: bullshit. Machines should respond to ping. |
| 06:33.32 | cesar_ | and i downloaded "java" |
| 06:33.46 | Gnea | hyperstream_: yeah basically - if your config is set, just be sure to backup the .config file, do a make clean (it won't actually remove it, but best to backup just in case) then go to config with: make oldconfig |
| 06:33.58 | jm_ | cesar_: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 06:34.04 | jm_ | cesar_: please read this and do what it says |
| 06:34.21 | wwgtk | cesar_: install it as root ? |
| 06:34.26 | Gnea | hyperstream_: yeah: mkinitrd --kernel <version> at the end there before the reboot (thanks for the reminder) |
| 06:34.29 | hyperstream_ | already backed up my config prior to compiling this kernel |
| 06:34.41 | hyperstream_ | thanks man |
| 06:34.41 | Gnea | :) |
| 06:34.41 | hyperstream_ | :) |
| 06:34.45 | Gnea | np |
| 06:35.14 | hyperstream_ | hmm |
| 06:35.19 | hyperstream_ | illegal option |
| 06:35.21 | Gnea | wow, xandros goes to a lot of trouble to lock one down |
| 06:35.27 | cesar_ | it says "couldnt find package: java-package" |
| 06:35.32 | TheStick | Guerin: oh, I was talking about client machines, not servers |
| 06:35.39 | TheStick | you're right :) |
| 06:35.53 | jm_ | you don't have contrib in your sources.list |
| 06:35.55 | Guerin | TheStick: even client machines should respond to ping |
| 06:36.18 | Guerin | TheStick: though the distinction is irrellevant, since any machine on the internet is a server |
| 06:36.27 | cesar_ | ? |
| 06:36.31 | TheStick | depends on how secure you want your machine to be |
| 06:36.32 | jm_ | some more unwillingly so than others ;) |
| 06:37.03 | hyperstream_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.03 | Guerin | TheStick: no, it doesn't. |
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| 06:37.18 | cesar_ | E: Couldn't find package java-package |
| 06:37.22 | Guerin | TheStick: drop doesn't yeild any major security benefit over reject. |
| 06:37.45 | Guerin | man, my typing is terrible this afternoon |
| 06:37.49 | woodland | #flood |
| 06:37.54 | jm_ | I told you, add contrib to sources.list |
| 06:38.14 | woodland | what is #flood |
| 06:38.22 | Gnea | woodland: a channel |
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| 06:38.48 | woodland | is #flood for debian newbies like me |
| 06:38.57 | Gnea | woodland: yes. |
| 06:39.00 | jm_ | :) |
| 06:39.04 | woodland | ok |
| 06:39.10 | Gnea | woodland: j/k :) |
| 06:39.19 | cesar_ | sigh |
| 06:39.28 | rking | Guerin: telnet, gopher, and prospero (191/udp) |
| 06:39.33 | Gnea | woodland: no, #flood is where you go to paste many lines |
| 06:39.46 | rob_lt | cesar_, did you see jm_ tell you to add contrib to your sources.list file? |
| 06:39.55 | Gnea | !tell cesar_ about java-package |
| 06:40.00 | cesar_ | i dont know what that means |
| 06:40.07 | woodland | i need help with debian installtion, which channel i should go |
| 06:40.12 | jm_ | just run apt-setup and say yes to contrib and non-free question |
| 06:40.27 | Gnea | woodland: you're at the right place.... |
| 06:40.31 | woodland | ok |
| 06:40.32 | Guerin | rking: no, that's your^Wmy other box |
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| 06:41.46 | cesar_ | i dont see a contrib option |
| 06:41.50 | rob_lt | jm_, apt-setup doesn't ask me for contrib and non-free, I remeber it used to when I tried debian years ago, but it hasn't since I started using it within the last year |
| 06:42.04 | jm_ | really? let me try it (need to install it first) |
| 06:42.57 | jm_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.06 | rob_lt | jm_, I dont' get that question |
| 06:43.11 | rob_lt | I just tried it |
| 06:43.11 | cesar_ | me neither |
| 06:43.20 | wwgtk | cesar_: vi /etc/apt/sources.list and add "contrib" |
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| 06:43.34 | jm_ | it just asked me, base-config Version: 2.53.10 |
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| 06:43.40 | Oliveer | Does somebody know what line to write in fstab to mount ext3 file system , but that file system is on diferent hard disk than Linux ?? |
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| 06:44.03 | jm_ | Oliveer: it's the same, just use different device |
| 06:44.23 | cesar_ | type contrib is not known blah blah |
| 06:44.31 | sbk | What is the magic command to re-configure xfree86 under debian? |
| 06:44.38 | jm_ | !drxx sbk |
| 06:44.39 | dpkg | sbk: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 06:44.43 | Oliveer | jm_ but can paste me or tell me. |
| 06:44.49 | sbk | jm_: many thanks |
| 06:44.57 | colera | anyone know a commandline battery checking apt? |
| 06:45.00 | jm_ | Oliveer: paste you what? you already have examples in fstab file, then there's man fstab |
| 06:45.01 | colera | for laptops? |
| 06:45.18 | jm_ | colera: look in /proc/acpi, then there are tools that show it |
| 06:46.10 | Oliveer | jm_ but I have mounted root filesystem ext2 , not ext3, is it that same ? |
| 06:46.28 | wwgtk | deb http://your_debian_mirror_here/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 06:46.37 | bibe | hi all. how can I configure debmirror to get sarge updates? I can already get all the binaries for my architecture from a local mirror, but... I could not set up debmirror.conf to use two different mirrors |
| 06:46.39 | jm_ | Oliveer: well you need to change the type field to ext3 obviously |
| 06:46.55 | colera | jm_: i went to that dir. what am i looking for? |
| 06:46.57 | Oliveer | /dev/hdc1 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 |
| 06:46.57 | Oliveer | /dev/hdd1 /windows/C vfat users,gid=users,umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 06:46.57 | Oliveer | /dev/hdd5 /windows/D ntfs ro,users,gid=users,umask=0002,nls=utf8 0 0 |
| 06:46.57 | Oliveer | /dev/hdc5 swap swap pri=42 0 0 |
| 06:46.57 | Oliveer | devpts /dev/pts devpts mode=0620,gid=5 0 0 |
| 06:46.58 | Oliveer | proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 |
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| 06:47.06 | Oliveer | usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs noauto 0 0 |
| 06:47.06 | colera | jm_: there are binaried in here? |
| 06:47.08 | Oliveer | sysfs /sys sysfs noauto 0 0 |
| 06:47.10 | Oliveer | /dev/cdrecorder /media/cdrw subfs fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 06:47.12 | Oliveer | /dev/hdb /media/dvdrw subfs fs=cdfss,ro,procuid,nosuid,nodev,exec,iocharset=utf8 0 0 |
| 06:47.14 | jm_ | colera: no, text files |
| 06:47.18 | jm_ | Oliveer: well thanks for that crap |
| 06:47.20 | Oliveer | sorry |
| 06:47.21 | Oliveer | but look at that jm_ |
| 06:47.25 | Oliveer | sorry |
| 06:47.28 | jm_ | Oliveer: no I refuse to look now |
| 06:48.08 | Oliveer | I am totaly confused because in filesystem field is wrote reiserfs , not ext2 ? |
| 06:48.18 | Oliveer | look : /dev/hdc1 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 |
| 06:48.24 | Oliveer | that is my ext2 |
| 06:48.31 | jm_ | that's how you installed it ... |
| 06:48.56 | Oliveer | yes, but, than, where to look hoe to mount ext3 ? |
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| 06:49.14 | jm_ | you won't be able to mount reiserfs partition as ext3 |
| 06:49.15 | Oliveer | I am new in relativly new in linux |
| 06:49.50 | Oliveer | yes , I know but how to write I line to mount ext3 (which is on defernt HD) ? |
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| 06:50.39 | jm_ | for fucks sake, copy one of the lines, change device name, change fstype, change mount point, change options or just use defaults for start |
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| 06:52.40 | Oliveer | ok , I tried that an that loks like this : /dev/hda5 /windows/E ext3 users,gid=users.umask=0002,iocharset=utf8 0 0 , an look what is my mount output : mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda5, |
| 06:52.40 | Oliveer | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.30 | rob_lt | cesar_, this link http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=142 |
| 06:54.00 | bob2 | Oliveer: a) wtf do you have a . between users and umask, b) is your windows partition really ext3? |
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| 06:54.27 | Oliveer | no , noooo hehehe, just mount is called windows :) |
| 06:54.36 | Oliveer | no , noooo hehehe, just mount point is called windows :) |
| 06:54.49 | spermie | whats that one OS called its like Besd. i have no clue but the logos alil devil |
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| 06:55.11 | Guerin | spermie: bsd |
| 06:55.13 | rob_lt | BSD |
| 06:55.14 | cesar_ | aw man it keeps saying permission denied when i did fakeroot |
| 06:55.21 | spermie | lol i was way off |
| 06:55.21 | robewald | Oliveer: so /dev/hda5 is formatted ext3? |
| 06:55.27 | cesar_ | cuz when i tried running as root it made me sign off |
| 06:55.45 | Oliveer | robewald I formated fith PArtition Manager |
| 06:56.02 | robewald | Oliveer: and with which filesystem? |
| 06:56.11 | Oliveer | ext3 , of course |
| 06:56.33 | bob2 | Oliveer: copy the line for /, not a windows |
| 06:56.49 | robewald | Oliveer: so your fstab line should be: /dev/hda5 /windows/E ext3 defaults 0 0 |
| 06:56.51 | Oliveer | /dev/hdc1 / reiserfs acl,user_xattr 1 1 |
| 06:57.06 | rob_lt | cesar_, this is what you are running, as a normal user: fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin ???? |
| 06:57.22 | robewald | Oliveer: the problem in your line where the options, that are not valid for that filesystem |
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| 06:57.51 | Oliveer | robewald ok, t put defaults, now, i'll try |
| 06:58.01 | EdLin | Oliveer: ACL is only for ext2/3 XFS, and possibly JFS, not Reiser |
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| 06:58.09 | spermie | is Bsd hard to use? |
| 06:58.42 | wwgtk | spermie: #freebsd |
| 06:58.44 | robewald | Oliveer: maybe you should read man mount |
| 06:58.51 | rob_lt | cesar_, I'm off to bed... good luck |
| 06:58.51 | Oliveer | EdLin but that line is ok an that is where my system is and mounted , works fine |
| 06:59.01 | cesar_ | ok |
| 06:59.03 | cesar_ | java works anyway |
| 06:59.04 | cesar_ | thanks :) |
| 06:59.07 | EdLin | Oliveer: it's incorrect nevertheless |
| 06:59.13 | rob_lt | ok |
| 06:59.15 | Oliveer | robewald I red that but there is soooo many that I didn' understand much |
| 06:59.40 | cesar_ | how do i check what IP my router has assigned to me? |
| 06:59.45 | cesar_ | 192.168.1. something |
| 06:59.58 | sep | cesar_, ifconfig |
| 07:00.14 | cesar_ | command not found |
| 07:00.19 | robewald | Oliveer: well, at least you should read about the filesystems you are trying to mount |
| 07:00.20 | sep | cesar_, as root |
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| 07:00.31 | cesar_ | ok |
| 07:00.32 | cesar_ | sorry |
| 07:00.33 | cesar_ | thanks |
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| 07:00.59 | Oliveer | robewald ok ,thanks anyway |
| 07:01.00 | sep | cesar_, actualy you dont need to be root, you could type /sbin/ifconfig as user (as long as your only looking and not altering anything) |
| 07:01.40 | MustangMatt | Would anybody be interested in giving me feedback on an Asterisk on debian article I've written? Specifically how to make asterisk act as an answering machine on debian. I'm missing a section on extensions.conf but the bulk of it is completed and I'm really looking for some feedback. |
| 07:01.52 | cesar_ | cool |
| 07:01.55 | cesar_ | thanks guys |
| 07:01.59 | cesar_ | im off to bed |
| 07:02.01 | MustangMatt | Here is the article: http://kaatman.com/asteriskansweringmachine.html |
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| 07:04.54 | streuner | apt, test |
| 07:04.54 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 07:05.56 | zergouille | Hi. I've got something weird : df says that my / partition is nearly filled but if I compute the used space (du, filelight) i dont get the same numbers ... do you know why ? thanks |
| 07:06.07 | sep | MustangMatt, your installing module-assistant, but instead of using it you'r building manualy ? whats that about ? |
| 07:06.43 | Kim_ | I just installed debian and Im having problems with internet, it completely wont connect to the internet. |
| 07:06.52 | MustangMatt | sep: That's a very valid point. I couldn't figure it out either but for some reason I couldn't use the module-assistant but at the same time I couldn't manually build it without having the module-assistant installed. |
| 07:06.52 | Kim_ | I had sound problems too, but alsaconf fixed it |
| 07:07.04 | Kim_ | anything like alsaconf to fix my internet problems? |
| 07:07.10 | MustangMatt | sep: If you'd be interested in helping me iron out what was going on there I'd be very interested because I agree it doesn't make sense. |
| 07:07.13 | sep | MustangMatt, you could replace your install zaptel-source, make etc etc with a m-a prepare m-a a-i zaptel |
| 07:07.38 | MustangMatt | I skipped the m-a prepare step. Maybe that's what my problem was. |
| 07:07.51 | MustangMatt | sep: I'll try a reinstall from scratch and see how those commands work out. |
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| 07:08.13 | sep | MustangMatt, i tried m-a a-i zaptel on my workstation here now, and that worked ok |
| 07:08.55 | streuner | Kim_: what kind of i-net connection do you have? |
| 07:08.59 | drawagoat | hey whats the unix ommand that displays system info? |
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| 07:09.14 | MustangMatt | sep: Alright I'll give it a go. This machine installs fairly quickly so it shouldn't take long. BTW, I appreciate you taking the time to look at the article and provide feedback. Very helpful. |
| 07:09.18 | streuner | drawagoat: cat /proc/foo |
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| 07:10.04 | jm_ | streuner: unstable one ;) |
| 07:10.05 | drawagoat | no thats not the one im looking for... :P |
| 07:10.10 | Kim__ | streuner, its thourgh ethernet |
| 07:10.14 | drawagoat | it was something like "xxxinfo" |
| 07:10.22 | drawagoat | where the xxx is different letters |
| 07:10.28 | streuner | jm_: yeah, that's what i thought atm too :-) |
| 07:10.46 | streuner | Kim_: DSL, dialup? |
| 07:10.58 | sep | MustangMatt, right now i have a zaptel module... now i only need the hardware :)) |
| 07:11.00 | streuner | Kim_: hardware-router? |
| 07:11.00 | Kim__ | streuner, cable |
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| 07:11.18 | MustangMatt | sep:http://ebay.com/FXO |
| 07:11.24 | Kim__ | streuner, no, its a modem... then its connected through ethernet to my PC |
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| 07:11.47 | streuner | Kim_: somebody of US should know it better... |
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| 07:12.14 | jetscreamer | US & THEM |
| 07:12.27 | da-x | help, I can't install kdelibs4.. |
| 07:12.27 | Kim__ | hmm? |
| 07:12.49 | MustangMatt | Kim__: Is the router acting as a DHCP server? |
| 07:12.58 | jetscreamer | da-x: quit running sid |
| 07:13.06 | Kim__ | MustangMatt, there is no router |
| 07:13.18 | MustangMatt | Kim__: Modem or whatever does it act as a dhcp server? |
| 07:13.20 | da-x | jetscreamer: good point |
| 07:13.43 | Kim__ | MustangMatt, not sure what that is, but dont think so |
| 07:13.43 | streuner | !dhcp |
| 07:13.43 | dpkg | i guess dhcp is Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol. Ask me about "dhcp client". |
| 07:13.46 | rking | what kind of encoding is this mail stuff?: =B9q=A4l=B3=F8 is it base64? mime? |
| 07:13.48 | sep | Kim__, if its a modem do you need to use pppoe to connect your provider ? |
| 07:13.50 | jetscreamer | da-x: go to pdo.org and d/l the testing packages it wants <<my workaround |
| 07:14.00 | MustangMatt | Kim__: If you type: ifconfig eth0 do you see an IP address? |
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| 07:14.17 | Kim__ | hmm, Im on windows now, Im gonna switch to linux in a sec and check |
| 07:14.21 | Kim__ | brb in few |
| 07:14.41 | sep | Kim__, if your in windows ? did you have to enter a username/password on your windows the first time you connected ? |
| 07:15.03 | Kim__ | sep, no Im always connected |
| 07:15.24 | Kim__ | Im gonna boot into linux and try ifconfig |
| 07:15.24 | sep | Kim__, yes ofcouse, but when you installed the adsl modem the first time, did you enter a username/passowrd ? |
| 07:15.32 | Kim__ | sep, no |
| 07:15.39 | ke6isf | Kim__: You're not running Knoppix, are you? |
| 07:15.47 | rking | ahh, quoted-printable is what =B9=A4=B3=F8 stuff is |
| 07:15.47 | sep | Kim__, good |
| 07:15.53 | Kim__ | doh! yes, you figured me out ke6isf |
| 07:16.09 | ke6isf | Kim__: #knoppix, as you're aware per your /whois, is thataway ---> |
| 07:16.18 | da-x | 'stable' that is, or 'testing'? |
| 07:16.25 | Kim__ | stable |
| 07:16.29 | Kim__ | brb test |
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| 07:17.03 | ke6isf | dondelelcaro: What, with Kim__? |
| 07:17.05 | Faithful | wobbler: I now have a functional box... ty |
| 07:17.12 | rking | ke6isf: clearly you don't understand the channel rules. when someone is here with a girl name, everyone must drop all other rules and do whatever it takes to get her to notice us. |
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| 07:17.30 | ke6isf | rking: Ah, but Kim is a gender nonspecific name. |
| 07:17.39 | wobbler | Faithful: thats great |
| 07:17.41 | rking | ke6isf: oh, good point. |
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| 07:18.13 | MustangMatt | sep: Here's what I get when I run m-a a-i zaptel: http://pastebin.com/340545 |
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| 07:18.37 | itay_ | I got an error while configuring: "Fatal - can't find OpenGL Libraries - Stopping here." |
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| 07:18.41 | MustangMatt | sep: And if I try to continue it fails. |
| 07:18.41 | itay_ | what should I install? |
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| 07:19.08 | shmloe | itay_: are you trying to install a video card driver? |
| 07:19.09 | sep | MustangMatt, you did m-a prepare first right ? are you running sarge ? |
| 07:19.16 | MustangMatt | sep: Yes and Yes |
| 07:19.22 | rking | itay_: libglu1-mesa, afaik |
| 07:19.24 | itay_ | no, I am trying to install a 3d graphics library |
| 07:19.58 | rking | itay_: umay, i-ay, on't-day et-gay it-ay. |
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| 07:20.22 | jetscreamer | how do you get lmsensors to work |
| 07:20.30 | huck_finn | is there a way to fix a kernel panic? or is the HDD hosed? |
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| 07:20.42 | jetscreamer | !initrd |
| 07:20.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 07:20.50 | rking | jetscreamer: sudo sensors-detect |
| 07:20.51 | dondelelcaro | huck_finn: yes, you figure out why the kernel paniced, and you take care of the problem. |
| 07:20.56 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 07:21.07 | huck_finn | cannot open dev/console: no such file |
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| 07:21.26 | huck_finn | ...is the message i'm getting |
| 07:22.03 | itay_ | rking, I installed libglu1-mesa, but afaik ins't found. |
| 07:22.37 | dondelelcaro | huck_finn: most likely you haven't managed to mount / yet, which is why the pivot_root is failing. |
| 07:22.46 | rking | itay_: hrm, what about xlibmesa3 ? |
| 07:22.46 | tralala | how do I select which gcc version to be used as default? |
| 07:22.57 | rking | itay_: i think libglu1-mesa is overly-specific |
| 07:23.01 | dondelelcaro | tralala: just set CC or HOSTCC or CPP or similar as appropriate. |
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| 07:23.16 | cat | tralala: export |
| 07:23.20 | rking | tralala: ln -fs /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 07:23.24 | huck_finn | dondelelcaro: what should I do to fix that then? |
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| 07:23.38 | WaruiInu | /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: syntax error near unexpected token `db_fset' |
| 07:23.39 | hyperstream_ | where can i find the modprobe.conf in debian? modules.conf ?? locate does return any results |
| 07:23.49 | WaruiInu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.49 | WaruiInu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.49 | WaruiInu | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:23.55 | tralala | So update-alternatives doesn't manage it? |
| 07:23.59 | WaruiInu | the midle line is the line 59 |
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| 07:24.01 | huck_finn | dondelelcaro: i had a working system 2 days ago, but changed the ribbon on the HD from slave to master... that might be what did it |
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| 07:24.10 | sep | MustangMatt, im trying on a freash installed box |
| 07:24.16 | WaruiInu | q is for an for q in .... several stuff |
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| 07:24.24 | dondelelcaro | huck_finn: then you need to set the appropriate root= option from /dev/hdb to /dev/hda. |
| 07:24.26 | tralala | rking: yeah, I was wondering if there is a more debian way |
| 07:24.34 | dondelelcaro | tralala: no, it doesn't in this case. |
| 07:24.38 | WaruiInu | i just did an update on sid |
| 07:24.45 | itay_ | rking, I installed it, but still doesn't work... |
| 07:24.49 | MustangMatt | sep: May I send you a private message? |
| 07:24.53 | dondelelcaro | tralala: the /usr/bin/gcc symlink is set by the gcc package which points at the default version of gcc. |
| 07:24.58 | Arafangion | WaruiInu, Fantastic. |
| 07:24.59 | hyperstream_ | dondelelcaro, hi |
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| 07:25.23 | WaruiInu | as it looks in other .postint or .preint files, the syntax is ok, i wonder why db_fset is unexpected |
| 07:25.31 | rking | itay_: strace the thing that's failing and then see which library file it's looking for, specifically. strace -e open ... |
| 07:25.32 | Arafangion | What's the fastest way I could run linux within mac os x? |
| 07:25.37 | tralala | dondelelcaro: I see, thanks. |
| 07:25.43 | Arafangion | xen afaik requires x86 processors, and uml has not been ported... |
| 07:25.57 | cat | !uml |
| 07:25.57 | dpkg | i guess uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
| 07:26.15 | Arafangion | I _could_ do a hack involving chroot, but I can't compile glibc on a bsd system. |
| 07:26.29 | Arafangion | cat, What about !uml? |
| 07:26.50 | sep | MustangMatt, ok |
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| 07:27.53 | itay_ | rking, I don't know exacly how to use this tool |
| 07:28.10 | Arafangion | cat, Hello? :) |
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| 07:28.39 | rking | itay_: what is the command that you're running that's giving the error |
| 07:28.49 | itay_ | ./configure |
| 07:29.01 | jetscreamer | !rking++ |
| 07:29.03 | rking | itay_: ok then: strace -f -e open ./configure |
| 07:29.12 | hyperstream_ | where can i find the modprobe.conf in debian? modules.conf ?? locate does return any results <- i need to add: |
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| 07:29.13 | hyperstream_ | install dvb /sbin/modprobe --first-time videodev && { /sbin/modprobe bttv card=0x71 i2c_hw=1; /sbin/modprobe dvb-core; /sbin/modprobe v4l1-compat; /sbin/modprobe v4l2-common; /sbin/modprobe video-buf; /sbin/modprobe dst; /sbin/modprobe bt878; /sbin/modprobe dvb-bt8xx; /bin/true; } |
| 07:29.19 | colera | when i lock screen is there anyway to disable the ctrl-alt-backspace and also the ctl-alt-f1 to get into my terminal that is runnin X? |
| 07:29.21 | rking | jetscreamer: =) |
| 07:29.23 | Arafangion | rking, That's asking for a world of pain, stracing ./configure |
| 07:29.26 | dondelelcaro | Arafangion: why are you compiling glibc? |
| 07:29.27 | hyperstream_ | so it auto loads the modules |
| 07:29.34 | huck_finn | dondelelcaro: your the bomb! I didn't even know that edit menu was there to change that stuff... Thanks!!! |
| 07:29.35 | rking | Arafangion: a world of output is more like it |
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| 07:30.00 | dondelelcaro | huck_finn: np |
| 07:30.12 | Arafangion | dondelelcaro, If I can't get linux to run, glibc inside of chroot is the next closest thing. |
| 07:30.24 | rking | Arafangion: and it's only -e open, so surely not too far back before the "Couldn't find OpenGL libs" failure, there will be something like open("/usr/lib/openglsomething.so") = ENOENT |
| 07:30.39 | dondelelcaro | rking: far, far better to look at the configure.log |
| 07:30.51 | itay_ | open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
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| 07:31.08 | dondelelcaro | yes, that's normal; you almost never have an ld.so.preload |
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| 07:31.22 | najib | hi |
| 07:31.32 | rking | itay_: ahh, dondelelcaro/Arafangion are right: can you upload your configure.log to http://rafb.net/paste (and tell us the URL it gives you)? |
| 07:31.55 | Arafangion | rking, What? |
| 07:32.06 | hyperstream_ | any idea's? |
| 07:32.08 | Arafangion | rking, You mean itay_ ? |
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| 07:32.25 | rking | Arafangion: you said stracing configure is a world of pain... while i disagree that it's /that/ bad, there is a better way in this case. |
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| 07:32.34 | dondelelcaro | hyperstream_: just add the module name to /etc/modules; or use modconf. |
| 07:32.45 | Arafangion | rking, So why do you want _my_ configure.log? |
| 07:32.52 | itay_ | rking, you mean config.log? |
| 07:32.57 | dondelelcaro | itay_: yes, config.log |
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| 07:33.12 | hyperstream_ | thanks |
| 07:33.20 | CountZ | hello people |
| 07:33.23 | CountZ | I'm trying to make a kernel package and am getting this message: debian/rules:1625: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] T..... |
| 07:33.26 | CountZ | it says it can not determine the arch or subarch, but when I type 'arch' i do get i686 |
| 07:33.42 | itay_ | here is it: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ec4gLO24.html |
| 07:34.25 | rking | Arafangion: parse it like this: <rking> [Dear] itay_: (ahh, dondelelcaro[ and ]Arafangion are right): [instead of doing what i initially said, ]can you upload |
| 07:34.27 | dondelelcaro | itay_: you don't have libglut installed. |
| 07:34.36 | rking | libglut!! that's it |
| 07:34.38 | dondelelcaro | (or the development libraries for it) |
| 07:34.45 | Arafangion | rking, I can't parse _THAT_! |
| 07:34.56 | dondelelcaro | itay_: apt-get install libglut3-dev; |
| 07:34.58 | hyperstream_ | dondelelcaro, bt878(0): Bt878 (rev 17) at 00:0b.1, irq: 11, latency: 32, memory: 0xee001000 |
| 07:34.58 | hyperstream_ | dvb_bt8xx: Unknown parameter `dst' |
| 07:35.06 | hyperstream_ | that would mean what? coding error? |
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| 07:35.23 | hyperstream_ | FATAL: Error inserting dvb_bt8xx (/lib/modules/2.6.12.5/kernel/drivers/media/dvb/bt8xx/dvb-bt8xx.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 07:35.24 | rking | dondelelcaro++ |
| 07:35.24 | dondelelcaro | itay_: for future reference: configure:21081: gcc -o conftest -DQUESA_HOST_IS_BIG_ENDIAN=0 -g -O2 -I/usr/X11R6/include conftest.c -lglut -lSM -lICE -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext -lXt >&5; usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lglut |
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| 07:35.28 | Arafangion | hyperstream_, Indeed. |
| 07:35.31 | dondelelcaro | itay_: that's where the error is |
| 07:35.47 | hyperstream_ | Arafangion, how would i go about fixing this? google? |
| 07:35.47 | drawagoat | will trying to install xfree86 on a really old mobile radeon possibly let me get opengl working? |
| 07:35.52 | dondelelcaro | hyperstream_: that looks like you're loading a module that was built for a different kernel than the one that is running |
| 07:35.59 | Arafangion | hyperstream_, You compiling against the same kernel source that corresponds to what your running? |
| 07:36.12 | wingot | shingouz: Hey mate, you there? |
| 07:36.15 | Arafangion | hyperstream_, (Compiled with the same compiler, etc) |
| 07:36.23 | CountZ | any ideas about my kernel package issue? |
| 07:36.58 | CountZ | debian/rules:1625: *** Error. I do not know where the kernel image goes to [kimagedest undefined] T he usual case for this is that I could not determine which arch or subarch tihs machine belongs to. |
| 07:37.11 | Guerin | hrm, logging into *dm with xdmcp gives me a blank x server (no dm screen, etc), and when i kill it i get "ADM: too many retransmissions." |
| 07:37.12 | hyperstream_ | i just compiled 2.6.12-5 and yeah. following a site that says how to run this tvtuner card. but when loading the module gets thaterror |
| 07:37.14 | Guerin | bah |
| 07:37.19 | Guerin | s/ADM/XDM/ |
| 07:37.23 | itay_ | but I still get the error: can't find OpenGL Libraries |
| 07:37.23 | hyperstream_ | dondelelcaro, if so how would i go about this? |
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| 07:38.01 | Vinland2 | how does one select all with vim? |
| 07:38.04 | CountZ | ok I see there's some big in make-kpkg |
| 07:38.10 | CountZ | bug |
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| 07:38.15 | Thunder000 | how do i get the nvidia driver for my laptop LCD ? |
| 07:38.18 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: what does dpkg --print-architecture; return? |
| 07:38.25 | Thunder000 | i'm on sarge |
| 07:38.32 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: i386 |
| 07:38.37 | rking | so, speaking of autoconf issues, when i check out mutt's CVS source (i want bleeding edge on a couple things), there is no "./configure", so i run "autoconf", but it gives some warnings about dnl, AC_MSG_ERROR, and AC_DEFINE. am i not running the right command at this stage? |
| 07:38.42 | shmloe | where do I edit the umask? |
| 07:38.42 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: but arch returns i686 |
| 07:38.53 | rking | Vinland: ggVG |
| 07:38.54 | bibe | Thunder000 : you'll have to compile them |
| 07:38.56 | itay_ | what can I do now? |
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| 07:39.20 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: what is the exact command you're calling make-kpkg with? [include relevant ENV variables.] |
| 07:39.30 | Arafangion | How difficult is it to port debian? |
| 07:39.37 | CountZ | CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=2 |
| 07:39.44 | CountZ | make-kpkg --revision `date --iso` --append-to-version "-darkstar" --initrd --rootcmd fakeroot clean |
| 07:39.53 | CountZ | and then I have another line to actually make the kernel |
| 07:40.05 | CountZ | (also make-kpkg) but it fails in the first make-kpkg line |
| 07:40.20 | rking | itay_: can you re-upload your latest configure.log, please? |
| 07:40.22 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: run make-kpkg clean; then run it with that line. |
| 07:40.26 | CountZ | ok |
| 07:40.42 | CountZ | just make-kpkg clean gives me the same error again, as well |
| 07:40.46 | Thunder000 | My laptop is Intel Pentium M 740 processor ... where do i get the nvidia driver for that ? |
| 07:40.58 | Mage\work | Thunder000: www.nvidia.com ? ... |
| 07:41.17 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: do you have KPKG_ARCH or KPKG_SUBARCH set? |
| 07:41.24 | rking | Thunder000: same place as always: www.nvidia.com |
| 07:41.34 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: if you're setting them to i686 or something, that's not what you want to do at all. |
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| 07:41.38 | itay_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/VHfLwA31.html |
| 07:41.41 | bibe | Thunder000 : http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
| 07:41.43 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: checking |
| 07:41.47 | itay_ | now it says that I don't have mesa |
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| 07:41.58 | itay_ | but I did install it few minutes ago |
| 07:42.04 | dondelelcaro | itay_: so install libmesa and the development package. |
| 07:42.13 | dondelelcaro | itay_: what is it that you're building, actually? |
| 07:42.22 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: no environment variables are set that contain 'arch' |
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| 07:42.40 | defcon8 | anyone having problems with scite atm? it just fucks up. the bottom scoll bar moves around when you write something |
| 07:42.50 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: and your ~/.kernel-pkg.conf? |
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| 07:43.00 | CountZ | not sure I even have one... |
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| 07:43.05 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: if they are, they will have filed a bug. |
| 07:43.08 | CountZ | yah, I don't have one |
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| 07:43.18 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: well, where are you setting this arch thing that you were talking about earlier? |
| 07:43.23 | defcon8 | damn this thing |
| 07:43.24 | itay_ | dondelelcaro, quesa, a 3d graphics library |
| 07:43.39 | rking | itay_: maybe i still didn't point you to the right package, there's quite a few different ones - can you show us the configure.log? |
| 07:43.41 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: I'm not setting it at all to be honest |
| 07:43.53 | Arafangion | defcon8, I'm guessing said line is not longer than the screen? ;) |
| 07:44.09 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: uh, then why were you mentioning it in the first place? what kernel source are you building? |
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| 07:44.21 | defcon8 | Arafangion, naah it happens straight away and the scroll bar goes all over the place |
| 07:44.28 | defcon8 | even happens with a new file |
| 07:44.32 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: This is an error i'm getting from make-kpkg... I didn't try to be a smartass with it or anything, I was a good boy, honest! :-) |
| 07:44.34 | Arafangion | defcon8, apt-get install vim :) |
| 07:44.36 | CountZ | I'm trying to build 2.6.11 |
| 07:45.02 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: yes, but why were you mentioning i686 in the first place? |
| 07:45.12 | defcon8 | Arafangion, im having probs with vim aswell |
| 07:45.26 | Arafangion | defcon8, What problems? |
| 07:45.33 | defcon8 | auto indent |
| 07:45.33 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: because when I run arch, it gives me i686, which seemed a bit strange, thought it might be a hint |
| 07:45.43 | defcon8 | i686 |
| 07:45.45 | defcon8 | yeah |
| 07:45.58 | defcon8 | i686 means pentium whatever it was doesnt it? doesnt i686 mean p4? |
| 07:46.02 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: ah; that's no biggie. Nuke the source package, and try the make-kpkg clean; again. |
| 07:46.13 | defcon8 | NO TO NUKES! |
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| 07:46.15 | dondelelcaro | defcon8: it's just whatever uname -m; outputs. |
| 07:46.19 | itay_ | http://rafb.net/paste/results/hDj7Lh32.html |
| 07:46.21 | CountZ | how do I nuke the source package?! |
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| 07:46.26 | CountZ | :-) |
| 07:46.28 | defcon8 | dondelelcaro, or the arch command |
| 07:46.35 | CountZ | or rather what do you mean by that |
| 07:46.47 | Arafangion | CountZ, First check that you're not running windows (It's against the EULA to use nukes), then... |
| 07:46.49 | dondelelcaro | CountZ: delete the debian directory |
| 07:46.57 | lvdsn_ | in wht files saves modutils its configuration ? |
| 07:46.59 | CountZ | :-) |
| 07:47.02 | lvdsn_ | in what files saves modutils its configuration ? |
| 07:47.02 | CountZ | LOL |
| 07:47.03 | CountZ | ok |
| 07:47.36 | CountZ | ahhhh |
| 07:47.37 | CountZ | :-) |
| 07:47.37 | Arafangion | lvdsn_, "Where does modutils save its configuration?" |
| 07:47.41 | CountZ | dondelelcaro: thanks :-) |
| 07:48.16 | lvdsn_ | Arafangion, yes, sorry |
| 07:48.47 | Arafangion | lvdsn_, Probably /etc/modules.conf, but I don't know (Not running linux atm) |
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| 07:49.12 | CountZ | once a kernel was made, how do I make absolutely SURE that it definitely made a certain kernel module that is very close to my heart? (and is required because it's the network driver), is digging inside the initrd file it make the only option I have? |
| 07:49.16 | lvdsn_ | Arafangion, beacause I have a agpgart interface error, and I think it loads in kernel |
| 07:49.30 | CountZ | makes |
| 07:49.35 | lvdsn_ | Arafangion, and I need to disable |
| 07:49.56 | Arafangion | lvdsn_, Well, if it's a module, just use modconf to remove it. |
| 07:50.09 | sep | CountZ, just reboot on the new kernel/initrd you find out soon enougf |
| 07:50.10 | Arafangion | lvdsn_, If it's _NOT_ a module, though, you'd have to recompile. |
| 07:50.13 | lvdsn_ | Arafangion, but if my debian don' starts |
| 07:50.25 | Arafangion | lvdsn_, I hope you have a rescue disc somewhere :) |
| 07:50.53 | Arafangion | lvdsn_, In all seriousness, this is why we don't delete our old kernel, but keep it in the menu, and that's also why we use grub... |
| 07:50.58 | Arafangion | (And not lilo) |
| 07:51.01 | sep | CountZ, and do you need the network driver to boot the maschine ? is it a diskless box ? you can just modprobe it afterwards |
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| 07:53.58 | CountZ | sep: It is a remote box - if it boots without this driver, I will lose access to it after it reboots. |
| 07:54.03 | rking | itay_: still workin' on it |
| 07:54.13 | CountZ | But I will make that kernel load just once, and put a delayed reboot script for 10 minutes. |
| 07:54.23 | CountZ | timebomb |
| 07:55.13 | itay_ | rking, thanks ;-) |
| 07:55.37 | Arafangion | Adobe Acrobat reader 7 is the biggest piece of shit I've ever seen! |
| 07:55.38 | sts | hello folks |
| 07:55.50 | sts | can anyone tell me what portmap is used for? |
| 07:56.15 | wingot | Sts:mapping ports |
| 07:56.18 | Arafangion | staniel, Try separating "protmap" into it's constitutent words, or use "man portmap". |
| 07:56.18 | opqdonut | scanning what services are open on a machine |
| 07:56.22 | wingot | I know it sounds lame, but thats it |
| 07:57.00 | rking | itay_: are you using the quesa 1.7 tarball? |
| 07:57.07 | sts | wingot, opqdonut: yeah, thats what the manpage says, but what'd i need it for? |
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| 07:57.23 | opqdonut | sts: nfs, yp |
| 07:57.57 | Arafangion | opqdonut, Man, yp? Names take _forever_ To change! |
| 07:58.15 | opqdonut | Arafangion: ? |
| 07:58.28 | Arafangion | opqdonut, Isn't it NIS now? |
| 07:58.37 | opqdonut | Arafangion: oh yes it is :) |
| 07:58.57 | sts | ok, thank you guys |
| 07:59.10 | rking | itay_: and what does /etc/debian_version say? |
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| 08:00.14 | CountZ | I had a cool idea for a business - I would buy tons of really old computers, junk, old printers, terminals, and also buy 10 really heavy hammers, 5 axes, and perhaps a few other weapons of choice |
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| 08:00.23 | CountZ | I would then charge people by the kilo for the old equipment |
| 08:00.37 | CountZ | they can either take it home, or blast it to pieces in a specially designated area |
| 08:00.42 | asperon-work | hi, with dhcpd, is there anyway to generate a unique hostname based on the ip or mac adress, except to define them for each host? |
| 08:00.45 | rking | itay_: heck, i just tried ./compile on quesa-1.7, and all i had to apt-get install was xlibmesa-glu-dev - it's possible that i already have some other relevant modules installed, but really i don't think i've done much gfx tiddling on this box |
| 08:00.47 | CountZ | (with the tools of destruction) |
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| 08:00.58 | Arafangion | CountZ, Charge extra to install windows on it first. |
| 08:01.05 | CountZ | Arafangion: good idea! |
| 08:01.23 | rking | CountZ: PC Load Letter?? |
| 08:01.27 | CountZ | Arafangion: You think I will need a license for it, if the machine is going to be destroyed anyway? |
| 08:01.33 | CountZ | rking: what's that? |
| 08:01.52 | nagual | what do you guys have against windows? its agreat moneymaker for techs, hating something you can make money on is pretty stupid (imho:) |
| 08:01.56 | Arafangion | CountZ, You could just tape a cd to it. |
| 08:02.08 | CountZ | Arafangion: Ah, symbolic... |
| 08:02.12 | Angel-SL | how do i see the version of the debiAAN i'm usong |
| 08:02.14 | Arafangion | nagual, Many people make money for various nafarious acts... |
| 08:02.15 | Angel-SL | !version |
| 08:02.16 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 08:02.22 | Angel-SL | ahh |
| 08:02.23 | sep | nagual, it's becouse we all want to do more interesting things, the running windows update, and removing spyware and viruses all day long ! |
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| 08:02.44 | rking | CountZ: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0151804/ |
| 08:02.50 | sts | hrhr - heard of a service like that provided somewhere in .jp .... you can rent a room, or several rooms and blast everything you want in there. |
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| 08:03.17 | CountZ | rking: oh - LOL!!!! I loved that scene!! |
| 08:03.18 | tralala | asperon-work: defining them for each host is easy enough - for ip in $(seq 2 254); do echo "host-${ip}.mydomain.net 192.168.10.${ip}"; done |
| 08:03.33 | asperon-work | tralala: : thnx, just what i needed |
| 08:03.41 | nagual | sep: noone is forcing you to do that, get another job if you dont like it. |
| 08:03.50 | asperon-work | tralala: : do i add that to the config? |
| 08:03.52 | CountZ | rking: It was the inspiration for my idea, to be honest :-) |
| 08:03.55 | Arafangion | tralala, I think you need _alphabetic_ chars in the dns. |
| 08:04.06 | asperon-work | or output it to the hosts file? |
| 08:04.07 | Arafangion | tralala, You can also have numbers, but you must have alphabetic chars. |
| 08:04.10 | rking | CountZ: my dad had the exact same, down to the source of inspiration, idea |
| 08:04.21 | CountZ | rking: but he didn't go for it did he? |
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| 08:04.34 | tralala | Arafangion: host-${ip} is alphanumeric |
| 08:04.38 | rking | CountZ: nope |
| 08:04.52 | CountZ | rking: well tell him he has a partner if he decides to go for it |
| 08:04.55 | Arafangion | TraceGreen, Is too. |
| 08:05.12 | rking | hehe, ok |
| 08:05.25 | CountZ | rking: people will have to sign a waiver of responsibility, cuz they could hurt themselves in the process of destroying some printer |
| 08:05.25 | Arafangion | tralala, I'd rather use the netbios name, though. |
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| 08:05.33 | Trewas | hmm, mplayer packages has now been in debian's new package queue for half a year... quite slow queue :) |
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| 08:05.40 | CountZ | but I could also rent them a protective suit + goggles |
| 08:05.45 | tralala | asperon-work: yes, given that you modify it first to have the correct format. Then depending on your config file structure you could append the output at the end with >> my_config |
| 08:05.57 | tralala | Arafangion: it was just an example |
| 08:05.58 | rking | Trewas: aren't there tons of weird licensing issues with it? |
| 08:06.18 | Arafangion | Yay! My "Ok" Button for adobe acrobat 7 now works! (Seems it only takes 10 minutes to work - each damn time) |
| 08:06.45 | ke6isf | Arafangion: ...use xpdf instead? |
| 08:06.54 | Arafangion | ke6isf, I'm on windows atm. |
| 08:06.59 | Trewas | rking: what I read from debian-legal they have been resolved a long time ago |
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| 08:07.37 | rking | Trewas: there has to be /some/ good reason for not just cp'ing the .deb's from where they are now to official mirrors |
| 08:08.26 | tralala | Arafangion: cygwin+xpdf, then |
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| 08:09.35 | Trewas | rking: I'm starting to think that there isn't... maybe mplayer gained enough "bad-will" in old flamewars when mplayer packaging was first discussed |
| 08:10.01 | CountZ | Trewas: hack the box and copy the package yourself then ;-) |
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| 08:10.35 | sts | hrhr |
| 08:10.37 | zero-1 | how can i fix errors on apt? |
| 08:10.46 | zero-1 | it doesnt want to install anything anymore |
| 08:10.47 | rking | Trewas: or just take out your frustration with that new beat-up-a-computer service. |
| 08:10.52 | fidget | what errors? |
| 08:10.58 | ke6isf | zero-1: OK, what are the symptoms? What errors? |
| 08:10.59 | Trewas | well, personally it is not that much of an issue whether mplayer is in debian or not, but anyway it is (IMHO of course) the best player |
| 08:11.12 | Trewas | and it would be nice to have it in debian |
| 08:11.34 | zero-1 | every time i try to install something it downloads it and right in the middler of the configure process it exit erro 1 |
| 08:12.10 | ke6isf | zero-1: What package? What version of Debian? |
| 08:13.07 | zero-1 | ke6isf: sarge 3.1 |
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| 08:13.37 | tengulre | hi,all |
| 08:13.37 | zero-1 | i tried enlightment and it failed |
| 08:13.44 | zero-1 | kdebase |
| 08:13.46 | zero-1 | and i failed |
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| 08:13.52 | itay_ | rking, sorry for not being here for some time |
| 08:13.54 | zero-1 | amsn and it exited error |
| 08:13.57 | ke6isf | zero-1: have you been able to reproduce the problem with other packages? |
| 08:14.06 | ke6isf | zero-1: NEver mind. Evidently, yes. |
| 08:14.10 | itay_ | rking, I do try to install from tarball version 1.7 |
| 08:14.11 | tengulre | why it have not any file in path '/usr/include'? |
| 08:14.17 | takatumi | zero-1: paste your errors somewhere. |
| 08:14.19 | tengulre | how to install it! |
| 08:14.30 | itay_ | /etc/debian_version says 3.1 (btw I'm using kubuntu) |
| 08:14.40 | tengulre | how to install all head file?? |
| 08:14.40 | itay_ | xlibmesa-glu-dev is already installed |
| 08:14.44 | tengulre | please |
| 08:14.46 | Guerin | !ubuntu |
| 08:14.47 | dpkg | See http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu | http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 | Ask me about <Based on Debian> |
| 08:14.52 | takatumi | itay_: yeah, they forgot to change that. |
| 08:15.02 | zero-1 | ok let me try to install somethign to paste the error |
| 08:15.16 | takatumi | tengulre: wtf is an all head file? |
| 08:15.17 | jm_ | don't paste it here |
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| 08:15.23 | ke6isf | zero-1: Do so in #flood, please. |
| 08:15.33 | tengulre | anyone help me? |
| 08:15.57 | ke6isf | tengulre: You're being vague. What are you trying to install, what needs files in /usr/include, and what is it looking for? |
| 08:16.02 | massiC | hi, is there a way to restrict a single user login with OpenSSH to only one of the available ports? |
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| 08:16.43 | jm_ | massiC: it's possible on the client machine |
| 08:16.51 | hyperstream_ | how can i see how much diskspace is left etc |
| 08:16.57 | Guerin | hyperstream_: df etc |
| 08:16.57 | ke6isf | hyperstream_: df |
| 08:17.04 | tengulre | ke6isf, I install debian with verison is 3.1 |
| 08:17.05 | tengulre | install a base system |
| 08:17.44 | zero-1 | its in #flood |
| 08:17.56 | sts | is it possible to use "send hostname `hostname -f`" in /etc/dhclient.conf? |
| 08:18.08 | tengulre | and I use 'apt-get install gcc' to install gcc complier? |
| 08:18.18 | jm_ | !b-e tengulre |
| 08:18.20 | dpkg | tengulre: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 08:18.23 | takatumi | sts: nothing in man 5 dhclient.conf? |
| 08:18.38 | massiC | jm_:but I need it on the server, maybe testing the SSH_CONNECTION env, but it seems fragile |
| 08:18.53 | zero-1 | ke6isf: what can i do? |
| 08:18.57 | tengulre | dpkg! which package? |
| 08:18.59 | ke6isf | zero-1: Wow, that's vague. |
| 08:19.21 | jm_ | massiC: not sure how you're going to achieve it |
| 08:19.22 | ke6isf | zero-1: Stab in the dark here, how much space is left on the disk? |
| 08:19.34 | zero-1 | like 30 GB |
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| 08:19.45 | jm_ | tengulre: can't you read? it gave you the package name |
| 08:19.46 | ke6isf | tengulre: dpkg is a bot. The package you want is 'build-essential'. |
| 08:19.48 | Guerin | ok, riddle me this: i have an XDMCP server and an X client machine. The client machine is a router/NAT box running firehol, allowing all client packets and a few servers. However, the firewall seems to be stopping xdmcp packets. With the firewall off, it works; with the firewall on, it doesn't. However, since it's confidgured to accept ALL connections from machines in 10.0.0.*, why the hell ain't it working? |
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| 08:20.02 | Guerin | and the XDMCP server has NO firewall on it... |
| 08:20.08 | sts | takatumi: no |
| 08:20.14 | zero-1 | ke6isf: yup its 30 GB |
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| 08:20.54 | zero-1 | ke6isf: the weird thing is thats some of them it does install them and some dont |
| 08:21.12 | ke6isf | zero-1: I've never seen that before. |
| 08:21.26 | tralala | Guerin: it could be for a number of reasons, did you sniff the connection? |
| 08:21.32 | Guerin | and creating a rule which allows udp/177 for all clients (even the internet) doesn't help |
| 08:21.41 | zero-1 | ke6isf: its the third time it happens to me :'(\ |
| 08:21.56 | Guerin | tralala: no. What sorts of reasons? The only one I can think of is that the firewall is doing more than it says... |
| 08:22.30 | tralala | Guerin: what is the firewall in question? debian + iptables? |
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| 08:22.33 | cahoot | doesn't it log it's actions? |
| 08:22.42 | jm_ | Guerin: log the packets with different prefix for each (blocking) rule to find out what is causing it to block them |
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| 08:22.47 | Guerin | tralala: yeah |
| 08:22.49 | ke6isf | zero-1: I'm going to fold here, being I've never seen apt do that before. |
| 08:23.06 | Guerin | jm_: the trouble is that I don't know iptables, that's why i'm using firehol |
| 08:23.27 | Guerin | i REALLY don't want to have to rewrite each rule :) |
| 08:23.30 | ke6isf | Aside from that, it's time to sleep. |
| 08:23.37 | tengulre | ke6isf, when I run 'apt-get install build-essential' os give me 'libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed or |
| 08:23.37 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:23.39 | jm_ | Guerin: doesn't it let you do the same? |
| 08:23.49 | zero-1 | ke6isf: ok thanks anyway |
| 08:24.33 | massiC | jm_:I will try with some script running at login time and forcing logoff if the port is not correct |
| 08:24.50 | jm_ | massiC: well that's an option, albeit not a good one |
| 08:25.11 | cat | !tell ke6isf about away |
| 08:25.31 | tengulre | HELP!!! |
| 08:25.35 | cat | tengulre: ask |
| 08:26.10 | tengulre | cat , I can not install 'build-essential |
| 08:26.19 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: When you say "seems to be stoppping xdmcp packets" you mean "xdmcp ain't working", right? |
| 08:26.24 | cat | tengulre: why not? |
| 08:26.29 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.29 | tengulre | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 08:26.29 | tengulre | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 08:26.29 | tengulre | build-essential is already the newest version. |
| 08:26.29 | tengulre | You might want to run 'apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
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| 08:26.51 | tengulre | I'm kicked |
| 08:26.52 | cat | do apt-get -f install |
| 08:26.56 | tengulre | :( |
| 08:26.57 | cat | yeah pasted that on #flood |
| 08:26.57 | jm_ | awesome, 4 lines of absolutely useless crap |
| 08:27.01 | tralala | !tell tengulre -about paste |
| 08:27.01 | tengulre | sorry! |
| 08:27.26 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: yes, and the particular way it ain't working is symptomatic of a nonresponsive xdmcp server, as per http://www.ltsp.org/contrib/gray_screen.html |
| 08:27.44 | tengulre | cat it still error to use 'apt-get -f installl' |
| 08:27.54 | tengulre | s/cat/cat,/ |
| 08:28.01 | jm_ | Guerin: does it allow remote connections? |
| 08:28.42 | Guerin | jm_: yes, the xdmcp server is configured to allow from * currently |
| 08:28.51 | jm_ | Guerin: another option would be to iptables -L -v -n > /tmp/iptlog1.txt; then connect and dump it to another file and compare the files, that way the counters for offending rules will differ |
| 08:28.51 | Guerin | to accept from *, I mean |
| 08:28.52 | tralala | tengulre: paste the error you get from -f install as explained by dpkg |
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| 08:29.09 | tengulre | OK! |
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| 08:30.12 | tengulre | http://channels.debian.net/paste/506. |
| 08:30.53 | jm_ | the feller who wrote iptables tutorial could add something like this to it, quick glance didn't reveal anything about it (but it has sections about sh -x etc) |
| 08:31.21 | tengulre | SOS!! |
| 08:31.23 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Three things leap to mind. 1. Are you allowing in all protos or did you specify TCP? Don't know xdmcp well enough to really know but I'd bet .us $50 that it uses UDP. 2. What do your rules for outbound connections look like? Normal X sessions do a lot of outbound connections, which can lead to trouble. 3. Did you tell the thing to keep state? I don't use iptables, long life pf :), but that would be the things I would |
| 08:32.09 | paster | "rking" at 68.105.231.56 pasted "apt-get install gnome" (54 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/507 |
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| 08:32.26 | rking | i get a similar-ish message as tengulre. |
| 08:32.27 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: If possible just tunnel that whole thing through ssh and save yourself a lot of grief. Yes it is more secure it is *also* far easier to firewall for. So a win on both counts. |
| 08:33.50 | rking | any clues on that gnome install failure in paste/507? |
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| 08:34.46 | tralala | tengulre: did you try -f install without any packages, as adviced by apt-get? |
| 08:35.02 | takatumi | rking: which version of debian? |
| 08:35.39 | Guerin | scarynetworkguy: the x client (iptables host) SHOULD be accepting everything from 10.0.0.*, but nevertheless, I made a rule to tell it to accept udp/177 from * - no change. |
| 08:36.01 | rking | takatumi: sorry: etch/testing |
| 08:36.13 | Guerin | this whole thing was working fine until a week or so ago, no obvious change |
| 08:36.32 | Guerin | the X server is not running a firewall of any kind |
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| 08:36.40 | Guerin | bah, xdmcp server |
| 08:36.53 | rking | i'm not expecting the solution to be handed to me on a golden platter, i mostly just want to understand what that kind of output means. note: it's happened for a week or so, at first i just figured somebody didn't upload a pkg like they should, but now i'm wondering if there's some deeper problem. |
| 08:37.57 | takatumi | rking: which package manager is that? aginstall? |
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| 08:38.13 | scarynetworkguy | Guerin: Ouch. I'd slap a tcpdump on it anyway and see what I could see if I were you... Clearly something funky is up and it just might reveal some truth. |
| 08:38.45 | rking | takatumi: oh, geez - it's getting late: that's just my function: aginstall() { sudo apt-get install "$@" && (for n in "$@"; do dpkg -L $n; done); rehash } |
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| 08:39.17 | takatumi | rking: did you run a similar alias to update as well? :P |
| 08:39.57 | rking | takatumi: yeah, it's this: sudo apt-get update; if [ "x$1" != "x" ]; then sudo apt-get upgrade; fi |
| 08:40.08 | Angel-SL | i got this .bin |
| 08:40.09 | Angel-SL | now |
| 08:40.14 | Angel-SL | what do i do with it |
| 08:40.16 | CountZ | in lilo, to boot a specific kernel, it's: default=lalel - right? |
| 08:40.28 | CountZ | yah |
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| 08:40.29 | CountZ | ok |
| 08:40.31 | coywolf | !vi |
| 08:40.31 | dpkg | vi is, like, said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 08:40.35 | rking | takatumi: i also have agremove, acsearch/acshow (where ac=apt-cache) |
| 08:40.37 | Angel-SL | !bin |
| 08:40.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bin is where you put rubbish, or your little brother/sister, or your copy of Windows 98 |
| 08:40.45 | Angel-SL | :@ |
| 08:40.47 | Angel-SL | !.bin |
| 08:40.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, .bin is NOT a meaningful filename extension. apt-get install file, then run file on your .bin and see what the hell it is. Or read it with less. Or read the damned README that should have come with it. If it looks like a shell script, try "sh myfile.bin". the extension some jdk installers have, these are executable files; also there is a macintosh archive format with that extension, or a name given to CD ... |
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| 08:42.17 | EdLin | Angel-SL: /msg the bots |
| 08:42.17 | coywolf | !nvi |
| 08:42.17 | dpkg | somebody said nvi was the best version of vi out there... no extranneous crap |
| 08:42.38 | opqdonut | !vim |
| 08:42.39 | dpkg | somebody said vim was the only true editor, or does syntax highlighting, has graphical X interface. Extremely popular vi clone that does syntax highlighting or don't forget to get .vimrc file from http://www.vim.org or the best thing since sliced bread, an editor that rocks your socks!!!, or something very cool, said because we need to have as long a block of text as the emacs factoid |
| 08:43.01 | opqdonut | !emacs |
| 08:43.01 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift] |
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| 08:43.44 | sward | Argh! Botnoise! |
| 08:43.51 | takatumi | rking: http://packages.debian.org/testing/libs/libcairo1 why cant this be installed? |
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| 08:44.53 | rking | takatumi: Package libcairo1 is not available, but is referred to by another package.This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, oris only available from another source |
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| 08:46.25 | rking | takatumi: that's the kind of error i'd like to understand. i have no idea what it means. |
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| 08:46.50 | tengulre | tralala, I use 'apt-get -f install'!! |
| 08:46.52 | SerajewelKS | w |
| 08:47.03 | tengulre | tralala, http://channels.debian.net/paste/506 |
| 08:47.09 | SerajewelKS | what's the most effective way to export :0 using VNC? x11vnc doesn't seem to be working. |
| 08:47.22 | takatumi | rking: what do you have in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 08:47.27 | tralala | tengulre: no, you did use "apt-get -f install build-essential", note that it is different from "apt-get -f install" |
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| 08:48.02 | SerajewelKS | i seem to recall a VNC module for XFree86 that would allow something like x11vnc to get access to X internals, much the same way that vnc4server has access to its X server internals |
| 08:48.16 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: rfb |
| 08:48.16 | rking | takatumi: deb http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ sid main; deb-src http://debian.mirrors.pair.com/ sid main |
| 08:48.37 | SerajewelKS | jm_, is that the X module? |
| 08:48.38 | tengulre | tralala, sorry! I input error ! I use 'apt-get -f install build-essential'! but still have error!! |
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| 08:49.22 | tralala | tengulre: as I said do what apt-get suggests, i.e. running *exactly* "apt-get -f install" |
| 08:49.28 | petemc | SerajewelKS: that would be the vnc x module |
| 08:49.36 | takatumi | rking: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=320649 |
| 08:49.46 | SerajewelKS | petemc, okay, is that available on debian? is it better than rfb solutions? |
| 08:50.13 | petemc | SerajewelKS: rfb is fine |
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| 08:50.28 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: not really |
| 08:50.32 | SerajewelKS | petemc, "fine" isn't a comparison |
| 08:50.40 | takatumi | rking: first thing you do, check the bts. |
| 08:51.04 | petemc | SerajewelKS: try them both, bitch |
| 08:51.32 | rking | takatumi: hrm... i have that bug-tracker module installed that warns me before i install if there are serious bugs on a package, i'd have thought this would should up. good point (and thanks for the hunting) |
| 08:51.40 | rking | takatumi: i gotta say, i'm curious how this is a hard fix. |
| 08:51.43 | SerajewelKS | petemc, i'd reserve "bitch" for females |
| 08:52.09 | SerajewelKS | jm_, why would x11vnc run fine, but remote connections show nothing? i can type and move the mouse remotely, but i cannot see a thing. |
| 08:52.18 | tengulre | http://channels.debian.net/paste/506 |
| 08:52.25 | takatumi | rking: patience, use a another DE/WE etc. |
| 08:52.43 | takatumi | s/WE/WM |
| 08:52.50 | jm_ | SerajewelKS: I have no idea, I only use VNC on Windows |
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| 08:53.21 | rking | takatumi: nah, it's fine - i don't even use a DE ... it's just for my wife. i just have high standards on bugs, i guess. =) |
| 08:53.49 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: i wouldn't |
| 08:54.14 | paster | "tralala" at 212.205.202.82 pasted "apt-get -f install" (4 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/508 |
| 08:54.46 | tralala | tengulre: check this and do the same |
| 08:55.01 | tengulre | tralala, ok! |
| 08:55.04 | SerajewelKS | anyone else? why would x11vnc successfully export :0, but the client displays black? (mouse/keyboard work, but can't see anything) |
| 08:55.07 | tralala | tengulre: than paste the result (not 506) again |
| 08:55.15 | stumbles | hi, how should i handle installing programs that don't come as debian packages? I grew up with windows 95 where nothing ever uninstalled correctly, so i'm concerned that if i 'make install' that i won't be able to remove the program easily. Am i best to learn how to make a package from the tarball? |
| 08:55.17 | takatumi | rking: get her to try out xfce, flux, ion, fvwm etc. :) |
| 08:55.36 | takatumi | while that bug is fixed... |
| 08:55.45 | SerajewelKS | stumbles, first verify that it's not available in debian |
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| 08:56.01 | stumbles | SerajewelKS: no it's not |
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| 08:56.04 | gluon | stumbles: I've use checkinstall for that |
| 08:56.05 | rking | takatumi: right now we're on blackbox, whould agremove blackbox; aginstall fluxbox; be an improvement? (note: i didn't expand the names of my aliases, like i normally do, just for you) |
| 08:56.06 | SerajewelKS | stumbles, most packages will let you 'make uninstall' to remove it |
| 08:56.20 | SerajewelKS | stumbles, if you're not over-concerned about cruft being left behind, make uninstall is fine |
| 08:56.27 | tengulre | tralala, Thank you!! It's OK!! |
| 08:56.36 | stumbles | SerajewelKS: what kind of cruft? |
| 08:56.39 | tengulre | ;) |
| 08:56.51 | SerajewelKS | stumbles, mainly system-wide config files |
| 08:56.54 | rking | stumbles: most of the time you can run the stuff right where it is, without "make install" |
| 08:57.14 | rking | stumbles: just symlink to it from your ~/bin (assuming you have PATH=~/bin:$PATH in your ~/.bashrc or whatever) |
| 08:57.41 | stumbles | rking: can take a bit of mucking round with libs tho :( |
| 08:57.44 | SerajewelKS | rking, that may not work if the program needs stuff in /usr/lib or /usr/share |
| 08:58.12 | rking | s.*s: right, but it works >50% of the time, IME |
| 08:58.17 | stumbles | gluon: checkinstall creates debian packages does it? i've used it on slackware before |
| 08:58.32 | gluon | stumbles: correct |
| 08:58.56 | rking | stumbles: oh, yeah, another option is to package it up yourself with dh-make |
| 08:59.08 | tengulre | I have aonther problem, run 'make menuconfig', 'Unable to find the Ncurses libraries.' |
| 08:59.13 | rking | stumbles: and another option is to --prefix=$HOME/local |
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| 08:59.40 | rking | tengulre: apt-get install libncurses5-dev |
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| 09:00.00 | stumbles | SerajewelKS: is it deliberate to leave the sys-wide configs behind usually? as in to save configiring again next time? |
| 09:00.18 | tralala | tengulre: don't compile a kernel on yourown - use the debian kernel images |
| 09:00.28 | Massaria | Hello, I'm a total newb to most of this stuff. Be gentle with me :) I'm trying to install via the boot-disc, and was under the impression that if the CD was in when i boot, it would start the installation - it doesn't, of course. Can you tell me what I'm missing? |
| 09:00.29 | tengulre | rking, thanks !! ;) it's ok!! |
| 09:00.45 | tengulre | tralala, what's your mean? |
| 09:00.46 | rking | =) |
| 09:00.47 | stumbles | rking: in the ./configure? |
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| 09:01.04 | tengulre | tralala, how to do it!! |
| 09:01.08 | SerajewelKS | stumbles, usually. but what i'm saying is that you can't --purge non-debian things |
| 09:01.23 | tengulre | your mean, use 'apt-get install kernel-image-xxx'? |
| 09:01.30 | SerajewelKS | what the crap |
| 09:01.36 | tralala | tengulre: exactly |
| 09:01.47 | stumbles | SerajewelKS, rking, gluon: thanks :) |
| 09:01.52 | SerajewelKS | i can't seem to do anything that will make x11vnc work properly |
| 09:01.55 | rking | stumbles: that's right: mkdir ~/local; ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local (note that you can't say --prefix=~/local, you have to let the shell actually spell out the $HOME var), and then of course you'll need some PATH=~/local/bin:$PATH , possibly MANPATH'ing if you care |
| 09:02.00 | tengulre | tralala, I see!! ;) |
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| 09:02.45 | tralala | tengulre: have a look at aptitude as well - it could be easier to use that apt-get |
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| 09:03.13 | tengulre | tralala, yeah!! OK! |
| 09:03.27 | stumbles | rking: sounds like that would be ideal in this case |
| 09:03.53 | tengulre | tralala, I will read the manual first!! |
| 09:05.14 | shmloe | how do I make my debian box to obtian it's own's hostname from dhcp? |
| 09:05.40 | tralala | tengulre: excellent idea |
| 09:05.50 | tengulre | tralala,;) |
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| 09:06.20 | tengulre | tralala, I want building a qmail server under debian, about 5K user! do you have idea? |
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| 09:06.51 | tengulre | and add fax services in it! |
| 09:07.04 | tengulre | 15 lines! in a single machine! |
| 09:07.29 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: man 5 interfaces; there's an example there. |
| 09:07.29 | Massaria | so when you say 'patience' what is that exactly? ;) |
| 09:07.52 | tralala | tengulre: no, sorry |
| 09:07.55 | Mage\work | tengulre: avoid qmail :p |
| 09:08.13 | tengulre | Mage\work,why? |
| 09:08.25 | Mage\work | qmail sux |
| 09:08.45 | tengulre | what's sux?? |
| 09:08.58 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: it's djb-ware. Unless you have a real compelling reason to use it, stay away. |
| 09:09.10 | drac | !sux |
| 09:09.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sux is su with xauth, to run X apps as root: http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ or sucks, or "I have an exagerrated opinion about something I don't really know much about.", or apt-get install sux, or something that anyone who spells "sucks" as "sux" does. |
| 09:09.18 | Mage\work | tengulre: I suggest Postfix |
| 09:09.59 | tengulre | Mage\work, thanks ! |
| 09:10.26 | tengulre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:11.00 | Massaria | alright then. Could someone tell me that my question is too dumb to waste time on then? |
| 09:11.16 | tralala | !tell tengulre -about qmail |
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| 09:11.41 | tralala | now see why you shouldn't use it and make up your mind |
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| 09:11.52 | tengulre | ?? |
| 09:11.53 | Mage\work | tengulre: read http://www.lifewithoutqmail.org |
| 09:12.21 | tengulre | Mage\work, OK! let me read! :) |
| 09:12.32 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: is it possible to switch eth0 and eth1 around? |
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| 09:13.15 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: yes, use nameif to do so; alternatively, specify mac addresses in the stanzas |
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| 09:13.35 | tengulre | by the way, how to install php5 modules?? |
| 09:13.49 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: huh!, can you explain that a bit please, kinda new to linux |
| 09:14.07 | tralala | tengulre: aptitude search php5? |
| 09:14.10 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: what exactly are you trying to do? if you just have a single ethernet card, it'll be eth0; |
| 09:14.24 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: I have two nic card |
| 09:14.26 | Mage\work | tengulre: php5 is only available in unstable actually |
| 09:14.49 | dondelelcaro | shmloe: well, then use eth0 and eth1 as appropriate. |
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| 09:15.25 | shmloe | dondelelcaro: thx, I am looking at the man page |
| 09:15.30 | tralala | shmloe: alias eth0 car1-module; alias eth1 card2-module - there you go |
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| 09:15.53 | dondelelcaro | tralala: that won't necessarily work. |
| 09:16.07 | dondelelcaro | tralala: especially in the all to common case that the cards are driven by the same module. |
| 09:16.10 | Massaria | Hm. I think i'm beggining to understand why open source will never break through for real. it takes special knowledge to use it, and stupid questions, however easily answered, will get ignored, thereby limiting the accessablity to those who had a teacher tell them. |
| 09:16.27 | Massaria | i guess i'm not leaving just as ignorant as i came. |
| 09:16.47 | jethro | is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? how can I make my lindows werkz !!!! |
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| 09:16.57 | tralala | jethro: :) |
| 09:17.00 | MustangMatt | Massaria: Sometimes it's hit or miss in here. |
| 09:17.02 | dondelelcaro | right... |
| 09:17.07 | jethro | hi tralala :) |
| 09:17.09 | tralala | dondelelcaro: yeah, but its worth givin a try |
| 09:17.33 | dondelelcaro | tralala: nah; if you're even thinking about doing it that way, the proper solution is to use nameif and a /etc/mactab |
| 09:17.40 | tengulre | hi,all http://channels.debian.net/paste/509 |
| 09:18.03 | tralala | dondelelcaro: ermm, okay |
| 09:18.06 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: yeah, that's not all that unusual. |
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| 09:18.21 | tengulre | dondelelcaro, what's mean? |
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| 09:18.26 | chaica | hi |
| 09:18.50 | tralala | tengulre: it means that someone is trying to break into your box |
| 09:18.50 | bibe | hi chaica |
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| 09:19.39 | chaica | Do we have to format an extended partition ? |
| 09:19.54 | jm_ | chaica: err no |
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| 09:19.59 | tralala | jethro: back from vaccations? |
| 09:20.32 | tralala | chaica: what do you mean? |
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| 09:20.54 | dondelelcaro | tengulre: it means that someone is trying to log onto your machine by trying loads and loads of usernames. |
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| 09:21.31 | chaica | tralala: I want to create an extended partition with parted and do I have to format it after? |
| 09:21.49 | Guerin | jm_: ping |
| 09:21.58 | bibe | chaica : an extended partition is a "container" filled with logical partition, you only need to format logical partitions into the extended partition |
| 09:21.59 | EdLin | chaica: yes |
| 09:22.04 | tralala | chaica: you need to create a filesystem on it, if you intend to use it |
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| 09:22.27 | EdLin | chaica: sorry, bibe's answer is more accurate |
| 09:22.55 | chaica | bibe: ok it's what I thought. thx for your replis |
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| 09:22.57 | chaica | replies |
| 09:23.06 | Squall | ellow |
| 09:23.06 | bibe | chaica : no problem |
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| 09:23.24 | jethro | tralala: back from harassment at work. I'm having more spare time now |
| 09:23.45 | Squall | i got a problem, X will not start. i probably wrongly configed it. how can i reconfigure it? |
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| 09:24.19 | bibe | Squall : dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:24.40 | tralala | jethro: me too - far too much spare time right now |
| 09:24.45 | Squall | thx bibe |
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| 09:24.52 | Caeies[taff] | Heya all |
| 09:24.58 | jethro | tralala: you got fired? :) |
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| 09:25.12 | tralala | jethro: nah, not just yet :) |
| 09:25.19 | jethro | heh |
| 09:25.23 | Caeies[taff] | Do I am the only one to get problems with web navigator on SID+AMD64 ??? |
| 09:25.29 | jm_ | Guerin: pong |
| 09:26.06 | Caeies[taff] | ffx is not displaying it's windows, same for mozilla, Galleon is segfaulting regularly |
| 09:26.40 | Guerin | jm_: can you help me decipher the output of that iptables command you gave me? |
| 09:26.50 | Guerin | jm_: http://feayn.org/~lewis/ipt/ |
| 09:27.08 | Squall | one more thing what /dev/ file is for serial mouses (i dont know which one to set) |
| 09:27.13 | tengulre | dondelelcaro, yes! someone want to into my machine! I use 'iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -s xxx.xxx.xx.xx -j DROP' !! |
| 09:27.31 | MustangMatt | For any of you that were on two days ago when I was complaining about the dismal performance of my sata software raid... Well it's up to 72.4% complete rebuilding the array. I expect it to finish before Monday. lol |
| 09:27.54 | tralala | Caeies[taff]: sarge+amd64 works fine for me |
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| 09:28.33 | tralala | tengulre: what's your native language? |
| 09:28.48 | tengulre | tralala,chinese! |
| 09:28.56 | tengulre | ;) |
| 09:29.02 | tralala | wow :) |
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| 09:29.06 | Squall | one more thing, what /dev/ file is for serial mouses (i dont know which one to set)? |
| 09:29.07 | snodnipper | ntp man pages. Can someone tell me who maintains them? |
| 09:29.12 | Ahm | does anyone in here have any experience with fuse? |
| 09:29.14 | Caeies[taff] | tralala, so you suggest to downgrade ?? |
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| 09:29.36 | tengulre | it have many syntax error in my words?? sorry! |
| 09:29.39 | tralala | Caeies[taff]: if you don't need sid badly, I suggest to avoid it in general |
| 09:29.45 | tengulre | ;) |
| 09:29.56 | Caeies[taff] | tralala, well sid is for supporting debian :) |
| 09:30.05 | tralala | Squall: /dev/input/mice |
| 09:30.24 | tengulre | HELP@!!! |
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| 09:30.48 | tengulre | HELP@!!! someone attack my machine!!! !! |
| 09:30.49 | Squall | tralala: thx, i used this before and it doesnt work, Xserver reports it canmt find the mouse. could it be a broken mouse problem? |
| 09:30.58 | _blue | ok guys i have a quick question, i'm using pgp to create an ecrypted file to put my passwords |
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| 09:31.00 | tengulre | http://channels.debian.net/paste/509 |
| 09:31.04 | _blue | gpg --symmetric --cipher-algo=TWOFISH file.txt, here is the command |
| 09:31.05 | jm_ | Guerin: INPUT chain seems to block it |
| 09:31.05 | tengulre | HELP!!! http://channels.debian.net/paste/509 |
| 09:31.11 | tralala | Caeies[taff]: well, yes - you can file a bug report then but if you need the job done you better use stable or testing |
| 09:31.17 | _blue | however, i need to know what kinda encryption this uses |
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| 09:31.41 | tralala | Squall: it could be a wrong mouse type |
| 09:31.48 | itay | hi! I have got problems with my X server... |
| 09:31.56 | bibe | Squall : be sure to check if XF86Config-4 really says "/dev/input/mice", dpkg-reconfigure does not overwrite hand-edited configuration files |
| 09:32.04 | jm_ | Guerin: but it also logs them with prefix IN-unknown: |
| 09:32.15 | itay | while trying to run a program, I got this error: could not find matching GLX visual |
| 09:32.29 | Squall | tralala: it was not edited by hand, it was done by this installer. |
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| 09:32.43 | Squall | oops sorry |
| 09:32.48 | Squall | that was for bibe |
| 09:32.55 | tralala | Squall: you mean, bibe. Anyway check your mouse type. |
| 09:33.04 | Squall | tralala: its an old serial mouse |
| 09:33.15 | tralala | brand? |
| 09:33.21 | itay | also this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 09:33.25 | Squall | ~ |
| 09:33.33 | bibe | Squall : try with cat /dev/mouse and move the mouse. any output? |
| 09:33.40 | Squall | mitsumi |
| 09:33.48 | itay | what should I do? |
| 09:33.56 | Ahm | can anyone help me with fuse? |
| 09:34.12 | Ahm | fuse/encfs |
| 09:34.13 | Guerin | jm_: ok. By why? it seems to say it's accepting: all -- eth1 * 10.0.0.0/16 10.255.255.255 |
| 09:34.33 | Squall | bibe: you mean /dev/input/mice? |
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| 09:34.49 | bibe | Squall : is /dev/input/mice existing? |
| 09:34.49 | jm_ | Guerin: hmm for destination 10.255.255.255 which looks odd to me |
| 09:34.51 | tralala | itay: what do you get out of 'grep -i glx /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 09:35.12 | jm_ | Guerin: do you see such packets in logs with that prefix though? |
| 09:35.20 | Squall | bibe: /dev/mouse doesnt exist, /dev/input/mice says no such device |
| 09:35.35 | itay | /etc/X11/XF86Config-44: No such file or directory |
| 09:35.53 | bibe | Squall : do /dev/mouse and /dev/input/mice exist? |
| 09:36.00 | Squall | itay: you put 44, you should only put 4 |
| 09:36.09 | jm_ | Guerin: and it didn't enter that chain at all, which is no surprise to me, I'd say your configuration is somewhat screwed |
| 09:36.12 | itay | the same... |
| 09:36.31 | Guerin | jm_: it's the default 'lan' config which ships with firehol :) |
| 09:37.02 | jm_ | Guerin: ok just tail the logs and try to connect |
| 09:37.37 | itay | I am using Xorg, does it matter? |
| 09:37.38 | Squall | bibe: /dev/mouse doesnt exist, /dev/input/mice does |
| 09:38.10 | bibe | Squall : what does 'ls -l /dev/input/mice' says? |
| 09:38.39 | tralala | itay: yeah, it has a different config file (I don't know the name) |
| 09:39.14 | Guerin | jm_: no output from tail -f /var/log/syslog |grep PROTO=UDP |
| 09:39.30 | Squall | bibe: crw-rw---- 1 root root 13, 63 date.. /dev/input/mice |
| 09:39.38 | Guerin | jm_: the only UDP packets with that prefix previously were all SRC=0.0.0.0 DST=255.255.255.255 |
| 09:39.43 | itay | I think it's xorg.conf |
| 09:39.48 | jm_ | Guerin: and TCP? |
| 09:39.56 | itay | so, "grep -i glx /etc/X11/xorg.conf" prints: |
| 09:39.58 | Guerin | jm_: some TCP going to port 67 |
| 09:40.01 | itay | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.25 | Guerin | jm_: but that's coming in eth0, which is the internet interface |
| 09:40.27 | jm_ | Guerin: are you sure the packets even get there? |
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| 09:40.51 | Squall | bibe: should i try another mouse? |
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| 09:41.08 | gsuveg | re |
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| 09:41.13 | tralala | itay: this means that the diver or the hardware you have doesn't support glx |
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| 09:41.45 | itay | but I succeeded to run those programs on other distro |
| 09:41.50 | bibe | Squall : another physical mouse, or another device? |
| 09:42.00 | tralala | you could grep -i glx /var/log/<your_xorg_log_file> to see the error message |
| 09:42.11 | Squall | bibe: another physical mouse |
| 09:42.14 | Guerin | oh, wtf, the xdmcp host has crashed |
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| 09:42.51 | bibe | Squall : before that, try cat /dev/ttyS0 and move the mouse |
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| 09:43.20 | gsuveg | how i make deb from a simple source package ? i dont remember the tool name |
| 09:43.21 | CountZ | I just installed kernel 2.6.11 and for some reason it does not load the module sk98lin while version 2.6.8 of my kernel does, there's nothing in the kern.log file in the 2.6.11 section about sk98 even attempting to load... the module is in /etc/modules - am I missing something here? |
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| 09:43.25 | bibe | Squall : i'm not experienced with serial mice/devices |
| 09:43.49 | sep | CountZ, modprobe it manualy, and look in dmesg for messages |
| 09:43.56 | tralala | itay: another distro could mean, another driver, another Xorg, another XFree, another kernel... a lot of variables |
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| 09:44.04 | Squall | bibe: it stops between cat |
| 09:44.18 | Squall | bibe: if i move the mouse nothing happens |
| 09:44.22 | CountZ | sep: the box rebooted back into 2.6.8 - when it's in 2.6.11 i have no access to it remotely (it's in another country), and I have to wait 10 minutes for it to reboot back into 2.6.8. |
| 09:45.07 | bibe | Squall : try 'dmesg |grep ttyS' |
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| 09:45.12 | itay | here it is: http://pastebin.com/340601 |
| 09:45.19 | Guerin | bah, fucking piece of shit |
| 09:45.44 | Guerin | seems to be turning flakey on me |
| 09:45.45 | defcon8 | hello Guerin |
| 09:45.48 | Squall | bibe: : ttyS or ttyS0? |
| 09:45.49 | defcon8 | what is? |
| 09:45.55 | Guerin | defcon8: my media box |
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| 09:46.04 | Matej_ | hello |
| 09:46.05 | tralala | itay: did you try this: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner? |
| 09:46.12 | Guerin | need another mobo, i think... hopefully not ram |
| 09:46.20 | sep | CountZ, you have a script that reboots in into another kernel ? |
| 09:46.26 | bibe | Squall : /dev/ttySx represent serial devices, so once you figured out what ttySx your mouse is using, it's the device you have to put in XF86Config-4 |
| 09:46.38 | Squall | bibe: got 2 lines. |
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| 09:46.50 | Squall | bibe: ttyS00 and ttyS01 |
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| 09:46.55 | nelse | hi |
| 09:46.56 | bibe | Squall : so use ttyS and see which is the device attached to your mouse |
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| 09:46.59 | pippijn | hi all |
| 09:47.12 | pippijn | does anyone know of a tool that can create a thumbnail html site from a directory of images? |
| 09:47.16 | itay | tralala, what do you mean? |
| 09:47.40 | jm_ | pippijn: gallery and the likes |
| 09:47.44 | cahoot | pippijn: album |
| 09:47.49 | tralala | I mean, ask dpkg about nvidia one liner. It has instructions how to install nvidia drivers |
| 09:47.55 | Squall | bibe: cating ttyS0 and ttyS1 and moving my mouse doesnt do anything |
| 09:48.01 | pippijn | ah cool |
| 09:48.04 | Matej_ | I have an adaptec aar-2410SA raid controller, i've set it up and i've set up an array with my drives with the controllers' utility, but now i don't know where to search the linux device. do i have to install their modules (aacraid) or the support is in the kernel of sarge? THX |
| 09:48.07 | pippijn | cahoot: that was what I was looking for |
| 09:48.13 | cahoot | pippijn: konqueror if you're into kde |
| 09:48.18 | pippijn | I am in gnome |
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| 09:48.41 | bibe | Squall : try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select /dev/ttyS00, if listed |
| 09:48.42 | Guerin | hi ho, hi ho, it's off to the mobo shop I go |
| 09:48.43 | sep | Matej_, the driver aacraid is in the debian kernel |
| 09:48.52 | pippijn | album is closed source |
| 09:48.53 | sep | Matej_, you just have to load it |
| 09:48.54 | cahoot | pippijn: album uses imagemagick + perl |
| 09:48.54 | tralala | pippijn: igal |
| 09:49.16 | Squall | bibe: i have reconfigure open. it only has /dev/ttyS0-4 |
| 09:49.21 | pippijn | hm igal is nice too |
| 09:49.27 | Matej_ | sep: normally it's loaded and in dmesg i see it being charged, but now i don't know where to search for the device in /dev or where |
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| 09:49.41 | Guerin | pippijn: libapache-gallery-perl > * |
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| 09:50.00 | pippijn | hm Guerin I will look at that |
| 09:50.07 | pippijn | as I am using apache |
| 09:50.18 | bibe | Squall : select ttyS0, then try modifying XF86Config-4 manually and setting /dev/ttyS00 |
| 09:50.25 | jm_ | dunno, libapache-gallery-perl seemed pretty basic and stupid :) |
| 09:50.54 | Squall | bibe: only one problem. /dev/ttyS00 doesnt exist |
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| 09:51.17 | EdLin | Squall: only one 0 |
| 09:51.17 | sep | Matej_, your beeing vauge, normaly it works, and now it dosn't ? what have you changed ? |
| 09:51.41 | cahoot | pippijn: gallery(2) if you *really* wnat to do it in style |
| 09:51.41 | pabs3 | is there a page that lists new source packages? (I accidentally pressed f in aptitude) |
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| 09:51.58 | Squall | EdLin: i know its ttyS0, but dmesg says ttyS00 and ttyS01.... |
| 09:52.12 | pippijn | cahoot: I don't really need style |
| 09:52.22 | pippijn | I just want it to work easily and quickly |
| 09:52.39 | cahoot | hmpff |
| 09:52.40 | bibe | Squall : try another mouse, if possible, and google for your mouse brand and XF86Config-4 |
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| 09:53.18 | Matej_ | sep: i just have set up the drives and controller, it's my first time, so now i'm trying to access the storage from debian, but i don't know where to search. there are two sata drives in that pc, so them i see as /dev/sdX, but the raid drive i don't know where it's associated in /dev |
| 09:53.29 | Squall | bibe: i only have noname brands :/. will try another mouse, be back in 10 minutes |
| 09:53.51 | sep | Matej_, look in dmesg for the output |
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| 09:54.50 | Matej_ | it says it loads aacraid and identifies the controller, but doesn't say where it's in the system |
| 09:55.02 | defcon8 | which package is cdr2wac in* |
| 09:55.41 | defcon8 | which package is cdr2wav in? |
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| 09:55.54 | tralala | defcon8: /msg dpkg find cdr2wav |
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| 09:57.30 | Faithful | I've got 2 boxen that a client basicly to be replicas of each other for failover... how should I best tackle it? |
| 09:57.44 | sep | Matej_, you mean it loads the controller, but dosnt find any drives on it ? |
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| 09:58.37 | defcon8 | no results tralala |
| 09:59.11 | shay | hm, if I have a static IP, and I install a DNS server in the machine that makes the connection, I'll be able to do reverse DNS to the IP, right? |
| 09:59.14 | Matej_ | sep: that's what i'm not sure about, i'm starting it up, so i'll have the dmesg now... |
| 09:59.16 | tralala | defcon8: is the command available on your system? |
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| 09:59.25 | defcon8 | tralala, no |
| 09:59.36 | defcon8 | ahh the dpkg search? |
| 09:59.37 | defcon8 | prolly |
| 09:59.49 | tralala | I would guess than it's not packaged |
| 09:59.54 | defcon8 | nope doesnt seem to |
| 09:59.56 | EdLin | !tell defcon8 -about enter |
| 10:00.20 | defcon8 | EdLin, sorry about that i always try to write it long lines |
| 10:00.34 | defcon8 | ok what about another cd ripper? |
| 10:00.48 | defcon8 | found one |
| 10:01.13 | tralala | ripperX |
| 10:01.40 | tralala | for GUI, or cdparanoia for CLI |
| 10:01.48 | defcon8 | im installing grip |
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| 10:02.31 | Squall | ellow again |
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| 10:03.06 | Squall | i still cant get the mouse to work |
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| 10:03.46 | Squall | anyone has any idea? |
| 10:04.06 | Matej_ | sep: where do you normally find raided drives? /dev/mdX, either for software and hardware raid? |
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| 10:04.41 | sep | Matej_, usualy /dev/sda for hardware raid |
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| 10:05.29 | MustangMatt | Matej_: /dev/mdX is software. I believe normally hardware raid is dependent upon the controller. On my compaq smartarray it's something like /dev/c0d0p1 etc |
| 10:05.29 | sep | Matej_, cat /proc/partitions to see all that linux have detected |
| 10:05.42 | Matej_ | ok |
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| 10:06.42 | Matej_ | arf, i see only sda and sdb (the other sata drives, non-raid) |
| 10:07.11 | SammyTheSnake | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:07.41 | MustangMatt | Matej_: Is this a new sarge installation? I missed the start of this conversation. |
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| 10:08.55 | Matej_ | MustangMatt: yep, new sarge and i had to add the controller in it afterwards, because i couldn't install it in one older pc |
| 10:09.12 | MustangMatt | So are you trying to do a software raid or hardware? |
| 10:09.19 | Matej_ | hardware |
| 10:09.29 | MustangMatt | Ah I see, what controller? |
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| 10:09.58 | Matej_ | adaptec aar-2410sa |
| 10:10.07 | MustangMatt | Many sata *hardware* raid controllers are really sata controllers with *software* raid. |
| 10:10.32 | sep | Matej_, i guess you need a even newer kernel. i know there was aacraid patches just before 2.6.12, |
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| 10:10.48 | sep | Matej_, or even better, check hardware compatibility, before buying hardware |
| 10:11.03 | mrbigcz | while upgrading system, I got an error with libsnmpkit2c2 package |
| 10:11.07 | mrbigcz | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libsnmpkit2c2_0.9-9_amd64.deb (--unpack): |
| 10:11.07 | mrbigcz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.07 | mrbigcz | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:11.07 | mrbigcz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.07 | mrbigcz | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 10:11.25 | mrbigcz | Is it a bug? |
| 10:11.38 | sep | 2410sa is real hardware raid |
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| 10:11.50 | tralala | !tell mrbigcz -about paste |
| 10:11.56 | Matej_ | i have this in dmesg: Red Hat/Adaptec aacraid driver (1.1.2-lk2 May 19 2005) |
| 10:11.59 | mrbigcz | sorry all |
| 10:12.40 | tralala | it's not a but - it happens sometimes |
| 10:12.41 | MustangMatt | Matej_: Does it have it's own bios you can go into and configure the raid before linux starts? |
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| 10:12.50 | tralala | use --force-overwrite to continue |
| 10:13.03 | tralala | bug |
| 10:13.05 | Matej_ | MustangMatt: yep, i've done this to set up a raid5 array from all 4 disks |
| 10:13.33 | sep | Matej_, why does it say red hat? where did you get that kernel from ? are you on sarge or what ? |
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| 10:14.27 | Matej_ | sep: it's the original sarge 2.6.8 kernel |
| 10:14.49 | tralala | sep: probably the driver was contributed by red hat |
| 10:14.49 | Matej_ | 2.6.8-2-686 #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 |
| 10:14.56 | sep | tralala, probably |
| 10:15.29 | MustangMatt | Matej_: So after you setup the raid in the cards bios you can still see the 4 drives separately in linux? |
| 10:15.42 | pabs3 | tralala: that is a bug, seems the maintainer didn't do the C++ transition correctly (the c2 package should conflict+replace the old one) |
| 10:15.43 | Matej_ | MustangMatt: no |
| 10:15.49 | MustangMatt | Matej_: Okay good :) |
| 10:15.55 | MustangMatt | Matej_: that would be bad. |
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| 10:16.19 | sep | Matej_, and the drive is configured as raid, and finished resyncing properly ? |
| 10:16.28 | tralala | pabs3: I see. |
| 10:17.14 | pabs3 | mrbigcz: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=323138 |
| 10:17.26 | Matej_ | i configured the array in the bios utility and it ended correctly and when entering it, i see the array with all it's drives |
| 10:17.37 | sep | Matej_, http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2004/12/msg00019.html this thread claim you have to finish resync in bios and not let it resync in background for it to detect the drives |
| 10:17.49 | mrbigcz | pabs3: thx u |
| 10:18.24 | CountZ | sep: No, it's not a script. If you have 2 or 3 kernels in lilo.conf and, say, the current is 2.6.8, you can lilo -R 2.6.9 to reboot the box into 2.6.9 just once. Then if it panics and reboots, it will go back to the default 2.6.8. If it doesn't panic, and boots ok, but no network card was found, I have a script that reboots the box 10 minutes after it loads, and then it again reverts to 2.6.8 (default) |
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| 10:18.54 | Matej_ | sep: and to resync means what? on boot every time, or just when setting the array? |
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| 10:19.24 | sep | CountZ, then in your reboot script, add modprobe and dmsg commands with output to a file you can read when you have rebooteed in 2.6.8 |
| 10:19.44 | MustangMatt | Matej_: Just when setting it up I would hope. |
| 10:20.01 | sep | Matej_, i dont know read the thread |
| 10:20.05 | Matej_ | ok, i'll try to reset it |
| 10:20.16 | sep | probably it resyncs on you creating the array, and you must that finish properly |
| 10:20.22 | MustangMatt | Matej_: Btw let me know how quickly it rebuilds and what size drives you're using. My software raid is slower than dirt. |
| 10:20.41 | Matej_ | ok |
| 10:20.50 | sep | MustangMatt, dma on on the drives in your array ? |
| 10:20.55 | DeadLine | hi, i have a strange problem:when i try to ftp to a service, it says ftp/tcp service unknown. im sure the ftp server is ok. what can i try? (debian sarge 3.1, linux 2.6.8) |
| 10:21.09 | Matej_ | thanx for all for the moment, i'll see what they say in the thread |
| 10:21.26 | MustangMatt | sep: From what I can tell DMA is on. |
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| 10:21.43 | MustangMatt | sep: It's literally been rebuilding for two days now and is at 73.0% |
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| 10:22.36 | RainbowW | is there a net-based stupid-person zapper i can use? just got a support ticket from a dude who did an fsck on his mounted drive, said yes to the "this will fuck your drive" warning, and it fucked his drive. now i'm supposed to rescue his drive without any data loss. |
| 10:22.46 | sep | MustangMatt, then you obviously have problems, my 6 x 160GB raid5 rebuilds in a few houers |
| 10:22.54 | Matej_ | MustangMatt: the rebuild was like 20 secs max |
| 10:23.09 | MustangMatt | sep: Hardware or software? |
| 10:23.10 | Matej_ | but it's with blank drives |
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| 10:23.43 | th1 | hello |
| 10:23.47 | DeadLine | nobody? |
| 10:23.48 | MustangMatt | How would I check if DMA were turned on? Grepping through dmesg looks like it's on. |
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| 10:24.43 | DeadLine | MustangMatt: hdparm |
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| 10:25.13 | Horsey | after a netinstall, where, if anywhere are the kernel sources stored? |
| 10:25.21 | th1 | 1 question, how do i install nvidia drivers which i downloaded fron www.nvidia.com. when i try to install those in runlevel 3 it says that i have x running |
| 10:25.38 | bibe | Horsey : did you install kernel-source package? |
| 10:25.39 | DeadLine | Horsey: you dont have them |
| 10:25.40 | CountZ | sep: good idea |
| 10:25.56 | th1 | when i switch to runlevel 1 it says that this is not a smart idea |
| 10:26.08 | DeadLine | hi, i have a strange problem:when i try to ftp to a service, it says ftp/tcp service unknown. im sure the ftp server is ok. what can i try? (debian sarge 3.1, linux 2.6.8) |
| 10:26.10 | Horsey | ok, new to deb and net install, kinda figured the install process would put them some where for me |
| 10:26.14 | MustangMatt | Deadline: I'm almost sure I read that hdparm didn't work with sata drives when it came to dma. I'll double check. |
| 10:26.15 | CountZ | sep: But I think I also found out that the version of the sk98lin module bundled with 2.6.11 and actually ALL kernel sources, is wrong/old/bad |
| 10:26.27 | CountZ | At least, it's not as new as the one on syskonnect.com |
| 10:26.48 | DeadLine | Horsey: do: apt-cache search kernel-source |
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| 10:27.03 | tralala | !tell th1 -about nvidia one liner |
| 10:27.20 | DeadLine | tralala: is there an ATI one-liner too? :) |
| 10:27.41 | bibe | Horsey : if you are using sarge (stable) or etch (testing), 'apt-get install kernel-source' works for you. If you are using sid (unstable), 'apt-get install linux-source' |
| 10:27.44 | MustangMatt | Deadline: As of the 2.6 kernel sata drives are handled by the new libata driver which doesn't support hdparm -d according to http://freshmeat.net/projects/hdparm/ |
| 10:27.47 | tralala | DeadLine: there is a howto (/msg dpkg ati drivers) |
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| 10:28.19 | Horsey | ok thx, will use apt get for sarge |
| 10:28.26 | DeadLine | tralala: thx. maybe you have a comment to my ftp problem too? |
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| 10:29.03 | sep | MustangMatt, software |
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| 10:29.38 | sep | MustangMatt, but it's pata drives |
| 10:29.41 | tralala | DeadLine: which ftp client do you use? |
| 10:29.47 | DeadLine | damn, people. that can't be so difficult. any suggestion please |
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| 10:30.23 | defcon8 | unrar-free -x isnt working |
| 10:30.25 | DeadLine | tralala: ftp from the command line, as well as gftp. yesterday i did a huge transfer, and in the middle it said that error, and no client wants to connect anymore |
| 10:30.31 | defcon8 | it lists the files inside the rar but it says failed |
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| 10:30.35 | Guerin | DeadLine: what host? |
| 10:31.00 | DeadLine | Guerin: actually local. but i tried ftp.nl.debian.org. same error |
| 10:31.05 | antgel | defcon8: is this a known good archive? |
| 10:31.09 | Matej_ | MustangMatt, sep : i think i've done the same thing as in the thread: i've set the array in CLEAR and now it's building and it should take some hours and when selected clear, it's not available to the system... |
| 10:31.13 | defcon8 | antgel, happens with all |
| 10:31.14 | Guerin | DeadLine: precisely what command line do you use? |
| 10:31.17 | Matej_ | i'll let you know how long it takes |
| 10:31.20 | tralala | DeadLine: did you modify your firewall settings? |
| 10:31.23 | antgel | defcon8: did you check the bts? |
| 10:31.29 | DeadLine | tralala: no |
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| 10:31.32 | black_Nightmare | hey there |
| 10:31.35 | Matej_ | MustangMatt: the disks are sata seagate 200GB drives |
| 10:31.41 | defcon8 | what was the programme that you had a picture of the world and it would trace the location of the ip and stuff? i rememberneotrace but it isnt in the deb packages |
| 10:31.45 | defcon8 | antgel, what is bts? |
| 10:31.51 | DeadLine | Guerin: ftp ftp.nl.debian.org or ftp 192.168.0.1 |
| 10:31.56 | petemc | defcon8: geoip or something |
| 10:31.58 | antgel | !topicsmite defcon8 |
| 10:31.59 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon defcon8. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:32.07 | antgel | i've always wanted to do that :) |
| 10:32.17 | Matej_ | and with raid5 without spare drive i get 558GB of space |
| 10:32.21 | Guerin | DeadLine: ftp ftp://ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 10:32.36 | Guerin | DeadLine: i expect you need to specify the protocol or port |
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| 10:32.47 | defcon8 | cant see anything to do with bts in the topic antgel |
| 10:32.47 | tralala | Guerin: nope |
| 10:33.01 | MustangMatt | sep: As far as I can tell there is no way to tweak DMA on sata drives. |
| 10:33.04 | tralala | DeadLine: something is fucked up with your machine |
| 10:33.15 | tralala | try telnet ftp.nl.debian.org 21 |
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| 10:33.24 | Guerin | tralala: right you are, works here |
| 10:33.25 | DeadLine | Guerin: did so, same problem |
| 10:33.41 | sward | defcon8: What's 'BTS: /msg dpkg bts' then? |
| 10:33.50 | DeadLine | tralala: i figured that. since it is a fresh install, im not the one who screwed it up |
| 10:33.51 | MustangMatt | sep: However, I do see a note that with errors the DMA slows down step by step until it turns to PIO mode. |
| 10:33.57 | EdLin | DeadLine: it looks to me like a firewall problem, though why it would develop in the middle of a local transfer it is beyond me. |
| 10:34.26 | DeadLine | EdLin: thats the odd thing, yea |
| 10:34.33 | defcon8 | swales, didnt spot it |
| 10:34.35 | DeadLine | ill try to restart my fw |
| 10:34.44 | MustangMatt | I guess I could go fire up a monitor and see if there are errors on the screen. |
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| 10:35.30 | DeadLine | same thing |
| 10:35.43 | DeadLine | can somebody save me from a reinstall? |
| 10:36.39 | tralala | DeadLine: did you try the telnet? did you try to stop the firewall? |
| 10:36.42 | sep | MustangMatt, just dmesg, and tail the /var/log file |
| 10:36.44 | rixth | How many characters should an MD5 hash be? |
| 10:36.54 | DeadLine | tralala: yes i did |
| 10:36.59 | jm_ | rixth: it depends on how you represent it |
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| 10:37.24 | tralala | DeadLine: would you like to share some of the results? |
| 10:37.26 | rixth | jm_, 25 sound roughly right? |
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| 10:37.58 | sep | DeadLine, it say ftp service unknown ? have you messed with /etc/services, verify there is a ftp entry there |
| 10:38.01 | DeadLine | tralala: no results at all. telnet connects fine. firewall has been restarted. same problem |
| 10:39.15 | Guerin | rixth: echo foo >bar && md5sum bar |awk '{print $1}' |wc -c |
| 10:39.25 | tralala | DeadLine: I said to stop (!= restart) the firewall. Also try setting passive ftp mode |
| 10:39.27 | rixth | Guerin, thankyou |
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| 10:39.34 | DeadLine | sep: service table is fine |
| 10:39.39 | Guerin | rixth: untested |
| 10:39.45 | jm_ | rixth: not really, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5 |
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| 10:40.37 | Usiu | Hi |
| 10:40.54 | DeadLine | tralala: without attacking you, but im not a newbie or similar. i know the config of my network, and how to stop a service |
| 10:40.55 | rixth | jm_ thanks |
| 10:41.18 | Usiu | Is there any solution for #323843 |
| 10:41.29 | Guerin | Usiu: if there was, it'd be discussed there. |
| 10:41.32 | DeadLine | this is a fresh OS installation, i did not modify any services related configuration |
| 10:41.54 | Guerin | DeadLine: got me stumped. |
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| 10:42.23 | DeadLine | i dont use iptables |
| 10:42.27 | Usiu | Guerin, its about missing cdebootstrap for pbuilder |
| 10:42.30 | antgel | DeadLine: i'm jumping in late here. can you ftp there from another box on the same lan? |
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| 10:42.43 | DeadLine | antgel: yes without problems |
| 10:43.15 | antgel | DeadLine: what about telnet (host) ftp? |
| 10:43.22 | MustangMatt | sep: No errors. I did increase both the speed_limit files |
| 10:43.27 | DeadLine | antgel: it does connecty |
| 10:43.32 | DeadLine | antgel: connect* |
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| 10:44.22 | Horsey | got the sources, thaks for the help |
| 10:44.31 | MustangMatt | What's odd is that this is a dual CPU machine both CPUs 100% idle and the load average is around 2.4 or so. |
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| 10:44.42 | petemc | MustangMatt: ps aux|grep D |
| 10:44.42 | antgel | DeadLine: so it's just the ftp client causing problems? have you tried ncftp? |
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| 10:45.04 | mrbigcz | nấu cái gì đấy |
| 10:45.13 | DeadLine | antgel: the whole protocol does not work, since other clients (gftp) also fail |
| 10:45.45 | MustangMatt | petemc: What am I looking at? It's basically the kjournald, exim4, nmdb,smdb, md0_resync |
| 10:45.47 | szzs | hi, my mouse wheel works with my old kernel but with the new one it doesnt. the XFree86Config-4 file is the same. why is that? the drivers differ? |
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| 10:46.03 | antgel | DeadLine: grep ftp /etc/services. i don't know gftp, but perhaps you could try ncftp - usually gives informative reporting. |
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| 10:46.45 | antgel | DeadLine: did this crash in the middle of something? if so, have you rebooted? perhaps the socket is in a funny state. |
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| 10:47.27 | antgel | szzs: is this 2.4->2.6? |
| 10:48.07 | szzs | antgel: no, 2.6.8.2 ->2.6.12.5 |
| 10:48.14 | DeadLine | antgel: tried a reboot. same problem. i'll go for a reinstall which takes me 60 minutes |
| 10:48.38 | petemc | MustangMatt: you're looking for processes stuck in disk wait mode, the state column saying "D" , that will bring the load up |
| 10:48.40 | Guerin | DeadLine: why would a new install do anything different to this one? |
| 10:48.42 | antgel | DeadLine: could also reboot your router |
| 10:49.18 | antgel | szzs: in that case i'm lost but google may be of assistance |
| 10:49.34 | DeadLine | Guerin: because the new install will be another distro |
| 10:49.41 | DeadLine | antgel: did that too |
| 10:49.41 | MustangMatt | petemc: I see. Well I'll shut down exim4, nmdb, and smdb so it will only be the kjournald and md0_resync. |
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| 10:49.42 | Guerin | DeadLine: fair enough |
| 10:49.51 | petemc | MustangMatt: no |
| 10:50.04 | ddddddddd | anyone know an utility to convert all mails from Maildir format to unix mail format? |
| 10:50.13 | Guerin | DeadLine: can you sniff it, see where the packets are going and what's happening to them? |
| 10:50.20 | MustangMatt | petemc: no? |
| 10:50.37 | antgel | DeadLine: what Guerin said. miles more fun to fix it. :) tcp dump? ethereal? |
| 10:50.46 | antgel | tcpdump being one word of course |
| 10:50.49 | DeadLine | Guerin: i guess there is nothing to sniff, since it does not even attempt to connect |
| 10:50.50 | petemc | MustangMatt: exim4 will show up because it runs as the user "Debian-exim", so grepping for "D".. check to see whether the process is in D state |
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| 10:51.05 | Guerin | DeadLine: freakshow. |
| 10:51.16 | DeadLine | antgel: its an installation for a customer, since i dont have the time, reinstall will fix it |
| 10:51.31 | MustangMatt | petemc: Oh I see. In the Stat column. Only md0_resync is has D in that Column. |
| 10:51.56 | petemc | MustangMatt: well, thats undoubtedly whats giving you the higher load average |
| 10:51.57 | antgel | DeadLine: also, did you ftp -v? |
| 10:52.22 | MustangMatt | petemc: Can you think of any way to narrow it down to the disks vs the sata controller? |
| 10:52.38 | petemc | MustangMatt: to do what, now? |
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| 10:53.20 | pip | hallo |
| 10:53.34 | MustangMatt | petemc: Well the whole problem is that my software raid rebuild is crawling. I'm up to 73.3% after 2 days. It's on an idle machine. I'm just not sure why performance is so dismal. |
| 10:53.44 | MustangMatt | petemc: It's averaging around 200k/sec rebuild rate. |
| 10:53.51 | pip | spricht jemand deutsch? :D |
| 10:54.01 | antgel | !de |
| 10:54.01 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 10:54.01 | petemc | MustangMatt: oh, sorry, cant help you there |
| 10:54.13 | MustangMatt | petemc: no problem. I'll just wait it out. |
| 10:54.14 | pip | ah thx |
| 10:54.27 | Matej_ | MustangMatt: i'm now on 10% of building and it's been building for 20 minutes |
| 10:54.35 | Usiu | Guerin, ok it was missing dependece in conrtol file.. |
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| 10:56.13 | MustangMatt | Matej_: I'm thinking I need to get a hardware controller. The one you have isn't low profile for a 1u case by chance is it? |
| 10:56.55 | sep | MustangMatt, what does /proc/sys/dev/raid/speed_limit_max and speed_limit_min say |
| 10:57.06 | antgel | need to grep a long list of files. 'find -name '*.m' |grep -i dasl -' ain't it. i got the inspiration from piping to etags - which works. what's wrong? |
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| 10:57.40 | MustangMatt | sep: I've bumped them both up. They're currently set at: 100000 and 20000000 |
| 10:58.04 | petemc | antgel: find /dir -type f -exec grep -i dasl {} \; -print |
| 10:58.07 | antgel | MustangMatt: i didn't read your entire problem but sounds like your dma ain't on |
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| 10:58.26 | MustangMatt | antgel: From what I can determine you can't mess with dma on Sata drives with the 2.6 kernel. |
| 10:58.42 | antgel | petemc: fair enough. what was my command _trying_ to do, just for the record? :) |
| 10:59.05 | petemc | antgel: i think you just needed xargs |
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| 10:59.23 | MustangMatt | antgel: I'm wondering if it's more like some irq conflict with the sata controller. |
| 10:59.24 | sep | tried this ? http://www.coraid.com/support/linux/EtherDrive-2.6-HOWTO-5.html#ss5.11 |
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| 11:00.20 | MustangMatt | sep: Interesting. You know I didn't reboot after I changed the speed_limit files. |
| 11:00.34 | antgel | MustangMatt: cat /proc/interrupts to find out |
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| 11:01.15 | MustangMatt | antgel: I'm not entirely sure what to look for but I do see: 193: 2169368 0 IO-APIC-level libata, eth0 |
| 11:01.29 | MustangMatt | Looks like sata and eth0 are both on 193? |
| 11:01.31 | Matej_ | MustangMatt: i had this controller with normal metal piece for inserting it into a normal pc with pci (32 or 64 bits) and i've got another piece of metal for the back which i think is for server, it's like 5cm |
| 11:01.40 | Matej_ | so maybe it could fit in 1u:) |
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| 11:01.47 | sep | MustangMatt, if you reboot you loose those changes |
| 11:01.48 | MustangMatt | Matej_: That sounds right. |
| 11:02.02 | antgel | MustangMatt: could be. could try turning off apic if you don't need it. |
| 11:02.04 | MustangMatt | sep: Oh my mistake, I misread |
| 11:02.14 | Matej_ | the quality is said to be low end server, or for small businesses... |
| 11:02.37 | MustangMatt | antgel: If I ifconfig eth0 down will that free eth0 from irq 193? |
| 11:02.51 | antgel | MustangMatt: no but removing the eth kernel module might |
| 11:02.57 | Matej_ | i'll tell you how it works on monday, i'll be copying a whole lot of data on it:) |
| 11:03.06 | Matej_ | (now it's 15%) |
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| 11:05.03 | MustangMatt | antgel: I'm not super familiar with the process. It looks like I just rmmod eth0? |
| 11:05.34 | antgel | MustangMatt: no, lsmod, locate the module for your ethernet card and rmmod that. |
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| 11:05.40 | Pogopuschel- | Hi, Im' trying to get Wake on LAN working on my debian machine. I want to power on it remotely from WinXP, but nothing happens :/ |
| 11:05.46 | Mjelva | anyone wanna help a noob? |
| 11:05.55 | MustangMatt | antgel: Will it permanently remove it or just until reboot? |
| 11:05.58 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about ask |
| 11:06.11 | Pogopuschel- | NIC supports WOL, mainboard does as well, they're both connected |
| 11:06.23 | Mjelva | okays. how do i install this motherfucker? |
| 11:06.32 | Mjelva | this laptop obviously doesn't like me. |
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| 11:06.45 | Mjelva | i can't boot from the cd, and there's no floppy drive, so bootdisks are out. |
| 11:06.47 | antgel | MustangMatt: just until reboot. modules are loaded on boot from /etc/modules and the kernel can also load some on demand |
| 11:07.01 | MustangMatt | antgel: Okay that's what I thought just double checking. |
| 11:07.15 | Mjelva | and yes, this would be my first time using linux. |
| 11:07.33 | antgel | Mjelva: did you read the debian install docs? |
| 11:07.39 | pip | hmm, i've installed debian a jew hours ago. now i want to config my desktop with the kde controllcenter. but in the controlcenter, there isn't any text |
| 11:07.46 | pip | jew = few |
| 11:07.49 | Mjelva | yes. it said "check the install directory", basically. |
| 11:08.04 | Mjelva | which contained boot disk images. which i can't use, for lack of a floppy drive. |
| 11:08.09 | antgel | Mjelva: eh? where did you read that? |
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| 11:08.32 | Mjelva | readme.html, mang |
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| 11:08.53 | antgel | Mjelva: that's not the debian install guide. see www.debian.org/doc |
| 11:09.01 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about install debian |
| 11:09.09 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about install guide |
| 11:09.18 | MustangMatt | antgel: Interesting it may very well be the ethernet. I'm looking at another machine I have that is similar but not identical and APIC and libata share 193 but apic and eth1 share 201. I don't remember this machine having this problem. |
| 11:09.23 | ricky_clarkson | tell antgel about pm |
| 11:09.51 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 11:09.52 | dpkg | methinks qotd30 is <rich_> Thats really the reason you have so much trouble. Linux is just a kernel to you. Without the apps yould be lost. For me, the kernel is the os, and if thats all I had, Id write my own apps |
| 11:09.56 | pip | what can i do to solve this problem? |
| 11:10.33 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: eh? |
| 11:10.33 | Mjelva | okays. break down the bit about sarge and woody for me, would you? |
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| 11:10.54 | MustangMatt | pip: Personally I've never had much luck with debian on the desktop. I've had better luck with debian spinoffs such as knoppix and ubuntu. |
| 11:11.12 | pip | hmm |
| 11:11.13 | MustangMatt | Mjelva: Ignore woody it's gone and dead. |
| 11:11.18 | Mjelva | okay |
| 11:11.30 | Mjelva | iso i downloaded is debian-31r0a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 11:11.35 | MustangMatt | Mjelva: Sarge it the current "stable" release of debian. |
| 11:11.36 | Mjelva | that would be a sarge build? |
| 11:11.39 | antgel | Mjelva: you can query the dpkg bot for lots of things e.g. /msg dpkg sarge |
| 11:11.42 | MustangMatt | Mjelva: Yes |
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| 11:13.07 | stonie | hi |
| 11:13.11 | MustangMatt | So here's a semi-scary question, how do I force eth0 onto a different IRQ? |
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| 11:13.20 | Mjelva | http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/debian-installer-manual |
| 11:13.26 | Mjelva | is this what i should be getting? |
| 11:13.27 | MustangMatt | Not that I've confirmed for sure that the irq is the problem. |
| 11:13.34 | stonie | is there a channel for the vdr-project? havent seen anything. or may i ask here. |
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| 11:13.36 | Mjelva | downloaded that. it's a .deb file. that means nothing to me. |
| 11:13.42 | antgel | Mjelva: no, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual as per what the bot said above |
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| 11:14.14 | kang_ | hi, i try to compile a kernel by hand which i downloaded but i get asm compilation errors when doing make. the kernel-source package comiples fine so i assume its a known prob -but i havent found it on google- |
| 11:14.18 | MustangMatt | http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#install-sarge |
| 11:14.22 | antgel | Mjelva: .deb files are debian packages. you could download and install that file on a running debian system. |
| 11:15.00 | antgel | kang_: if it's not a debian source, unlikely to get help here. try ##linux? |
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| 11:15.24 | Mjelva | okay. |
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| 11:15.34 | MustangMatt | Out of curiousity how many people use sarge on the desktop on a daily basis? |
| 11:15.40 | Mjelva | instead of bypassing the cd boot issue, though, how can i solve it? |
| 11:15.51 | Mjelva | i should be able to boot from cd, am i rite? |
| 11:15.51 | antgel | Mjelva: the install guide is pretty good. |
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| 11:15.59 | stonie | when i have 2 dvb-t cards (budget/nova-t) running at the same time, vdr keeps crashing w/o any message. with one card it seems running flawless. pc is a P3/550 with 256MB ram - maybe its just not fast enough for 2 cards? |
| 11:16.06 | Mjelva | would updating the bios do anything to solve it? |
| 11:16.12 | antgel | Mjelva: most modern workstations can boot from cd |
| 11:16.15 | MustangMatt | Mjelva: Assuming your bios has the cdrom as a bootable device you should be able to boot from it. |
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| 11:16.25 | Mjelva | never owned a laptop before, so it's a bit unfamiliar. on my regular station, this would be easy. |
| 11:16.44 | Mjelva | the cd-rom is in the list of boot options, but i can't select it. |
| 11:16.58 | War2 | for some reason, cron daemon isn't starting up at boot on my system. I did a "update-rc.d cron defaults", and it responded with "System startup links for /etc/init.d/cron already exist." |
| 11:16.59 | basix | how do I NAT an interface which has an IP Alias. My problem is I have one NIC in my computer, its connected to a switch. I want this interface to act both as public and private interface. Is it possible?? |
| 11:17.00 | Mjelva | seems like it doesn't consider the cd bootable, to me. |
| 11:17.03 | War2 | What else should I check? |
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| 11:17.09 | antgel | Mjelva: then you need to find out how to configure the bios. |
| 11:17.15 | antgel | Mjelva: try booting the cd on another machine |
| 11:17.22 | Mjelva | rite. i could try that. |
| 11:17.30 | MustangMatt | basix: I think so. You should be able to configure /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 11:18.09 | antgel | War2: try /etc/init.d/cron start then check the syslog to see why it dies |
| 11:18.24 | silverbb | I wanted to disable xscreensaver in my xfce desktop, but it's not in settings... |
| 11:18.39 | War2 | antgel: when I start it using /etc/init.d/cron , it doesn't die. It stays up till the next reboot. |
| 11:18.39 | antgel | silverbb: remove the package? |
| 11:18.50 | silverbb | antgel: good idea. :_ |
| 11:18.52 | silverbb | :) |
| 11:18.55 | antgel | War2: aha. try bootlogd |
| 11:19.27 | basix | MustangMatt, I am using rc.firewall for NATing and stuff. But it says that definitions cannot contain IP aliases |
| 11:20.01 | petemc | basix: iptables cant work on aliases, only the real interface it is aliased to |
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| 11:20.25 | silverbb | It wants to remove gnome with it. That's just a wrapper package? I hope. |
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| 11:20.56 | basix | petemc, you mean to say i can't nat the alias? :( |
| 11:21.06 | Angel-SL | hi |
| 11:21.10 | Angel-SL | how do i save in vi |
| 11:21.17 | silverbb | :w |
| 11:21.38 | Angel-SL | but i cannot even get to the : |
| 11:21.39 | Angel-SL | ! |
| 11:21.39 | Mjelva | yes, i could boot from it on my desktop pc. |
| 11:21.42 | petemc | basix: you can |
| 11:21.44 | Angel-SL | !vi |
| 11:21.44 | dpkg | vi is probably said to be the true ruler of the text editing world, as opposed to that other windowing software or vim is the better of the vi clones or vi stands for i love journey's escape key or very good training for nethack (jedd) or modal, or see vi basics for instructions on basic use., or visual interface, or see vi tutorial, or apt-get install vimpart for KDE users, or http://www.eng.hawaii.edu/Tutor/vi.html |
| 11:21.45 | Mjelva | it did so automatically. |
| 11:21.58 | silverbb | Angel-SL: Shift-ZZ will save and quit. |
| 11:22.07 | petemc | basix: as i said, just use the real interface name |
| 11:22.17 | antgel | silverbb: apt-cache show gnome |
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| 11:22.44 | Mjelva | so, i suppose i need to figure out how to make my laptop boot from the cd. |
| 11:22.47 | Mjelva | any suggestions? |
| 11:22.50 | stonie | any help on vdr here? |
| 11:22.52 | Mjelva | update bios? |
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| 11:23.06 | jm_ | Mjelva: sbm |
| 11:23.11 | Mjelva | what? |
| 11:23.12 | antgel | Mjelva: configure the bios to boot from cd |
| 11:23.15 | silverbb | antgel: thanks. It's a meta. Looks safe to let it remove |
| 11:23.18 | Mjelva | well, how? |
| 11:23.28 | antgel | Mjelva: htf do i know? :) |
| 11:23.28 | Mjelva | like i said, the bios won't let me select it. |
| 11:23.33 | Mjelva | it's a fucked up bios. |
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| 11:23.54 | Mjelva | i'll flash the motherfucker. |
| 11:23.59 | antgel | Mjelva: try an update on the bios then. or if you have a usb flash drive, install from that |
| 11:24.09 | Mjelva | any way to find out what bios i have from the OS, or should i just reboot to it? |
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| 11:24.25 | antgel | Mjelva: reboot |
| 11:24.27 | silverbb | Mjelva: don't hold back. tell us how you really feel. :P |
| 11:24.39 | Mjelva | frustrated, silver. |
| 11:24.43 | Mjelva | anyway. rebooting. |
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| 11:29.08 | ALUCINADOS | ´´´´´[ |
| 11:30.15 | jetscreamer | !br |
| 11:30.16 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:31.31 | silverbb | how do I tell what packages are suggested or recommended after it's already installed? |
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| 11:31.50 | ricky_clarkson | silverbb: apt-cache show thepackage |
| 11:31.50 | antgel | silverbb: apt-cache show packagename |
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| 11:32.10 | antgel | ricky_clarkson: what was all that before about pm? |
| 11:32.15 | silverbb | thx |
| 11:32.31 | ricky_clarkson | antgel: You could have done /msg dpkg tell thing about thang - when you were correcting yourself. |
| 11:32.42 | ricky_clarkson | Don't worry though, it wasn't a serious complaint. |
| 11:32.44 | antgel | aha |
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| 11:33.16 | Mjelva | nigga, please. |
| 11:33.28 | Mjelva | i found out what bios i've got, and i checked the manufacturer's website. |
| 11:33.35 | Mjelva | there's no download link. they want me to fucking buy it. |
| 11:33.59 | MustangMatt | What manufacturer does that? |
| 11:34.06 | Mjelva | PhoenixBIOS |
| 11:34.16 | MustangMatt | Nah you're barking up the wrong tree. |
| 11:34.21 | Mjelva | rly? |
| 11:34.22 | MustangMatt | What make/model laptop is it? |
| 11:34.30 | Mjelva | Acer TravelMate 2410 |
| 11:34.46 | MustangMatt | Yah if you buy an upgrade from Phoenix they're going to send you a chip in the mail and you'll have to break out a soldering iron. |
| 11:34.54 | Mjelva | rite |
| 11:34.54 | antgel | Mjelva: oh dear. can i suggest a usb install, or if you're feeling crazy and have a linux box already up, a tftp install? |
| 11:34.56 | Mjelva | that's not happening |
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| 11:35.34 | Mjelva | don't have a linux box up already. might install it on the other computer and just throw it across the network, though. suppose that would work. |
| 11:35.49 | MustangMatt | Mjelva: This might be it http://csd.acer.com.tw/SI/Download2.nsf/0/ad6378708b761c2c482570580009fff2?OpenDocument |
| 11:36.01 | antgel | Mjelva: did you look on the acer website? |
| 11:36.22 | Mjelva | for the BIOS make? |
| 11:36.27 | Mjelva | no. just checked the BIOS itself. |
| 11:36.35 | MustangMatt | It's odd to me that you can't select. Is it like a boot option screen or do you actually go into bios and see the options? |
| 11:36.48 | Mjelva | i get into the bios. |
| 11:37.02 | antgel | Mjelva: and you can see the boot device order? |
| 11:37.05 | MustangMatt | And it's got some form of boot order where you can pick floppy, cd, hard disk? |
| 11:37.14 | Mjelva | weirdest thing is, there's this explanation thing on the side, right. says which buttons to scroll with and all that crap. but get this: |
| 11:37.19 | Mjelva | there's no "select" button. |
| 11:37.23 | Mjelva | there's no fucking enter. |
| 11:37.37 | Mjelva | wtfbbq? |
| 11:37.38 | antgel | Mjelva: you probably just need to move the devices up and down to the correct order |
| 11:37.42 | MustangMatt | Is it like a hit +/- to move the order around? |
| 11:37.47 | MustangMatt | Then save it? |
| 11:38.05 | MustangMatt | errr.. what was the default order anyway? |
| 11:38.07 | Mjelva | no. you can scroll up and down. haven't seen a way to switch priorities, if that's what you mean. |
| 11:38.19 | Mjelva | default order is HDD, floppy, cd and network, i think. |
| 11:38.23 | Mjelva | HDD was #1, anyway. |
| 11:38.26 | Mjelva | don't ask me why it would be. |
| 11:38.39 | Mjelva | it might not even be a priority list. it could just be the options. |
| 11:38.44 | Mjelva | i bet it's just there to taunt me. |
| 11:38.45 | MustangMatt | Does it have like a hotplug hard drive feature by chance :) |
| 11:38.45 | antgel | Mjelva: as MustangMatt says, it's often + and - to move the selected item up and down. this is probably in the bios help you referred to |
| 11:39.00 | Mjelva | might be. |
| 11:39.11 | Mjelva | this bios upgrade, it'll require a floppy, won't it? |
| 11:39.14 | Matej_ | thanks again, it seems to be rebuilding the drives correctly, so seeya monday:) |
| 11:39.20 | Mjelva | sigh. two steps forward and ten back. |
| 11:39.34 | MustangMatt | Mjelva: I'm not even sure I'd use that file I sent you. Last resort. |
| 11:39.35 | antgel | Mjelva: yes but the more you say, the more i think that you just aren't configuring the bios properly |
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| 11:39.40 | silverbb | Mjelva: don't have a floppy drive? |
| 11:39.50 | Mjelva | no. laptop. |
| 11:40.06 | MustangMatt | Some bios upgrades will run from windows. |
| 11:40.11 | antgel | Mjelva: get back into the bios screen and configure the boot order. this has been possible on every pc that i can remember seeing. |
| 11:40.16 | Mjelva | hm. |
| 11:40.21 | silverbb | if it doesn't have a floppy drive, the bios has to support booting from CD. |
| 11:40.23 | MustangMatt | Yah give the bios order another try. |
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| 11:40.27 | Mjelva | well, i'll give it a shot. but this is seriously the weirdest bios i've ever seen. |
| 11:40.38 | MustangMatt | I've seen some strange bioses in my day. |
| 11:40.44 | Mjelva | it's like it's not even supposed to be configured. it's just there to show you the current configuration, or something. |
| 11:40.52 | MustangMatt | Used to have a cool graphical one that supported the mouse on a 4856 |
| 11:40.53 | MustangMatt | 486 |
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| 11:41.09 | ricky_clarkson | "589589". That's all I'm saying. |
| 11:41.17 | Mjelva | which means? |
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| 11:42.16 | Mjelva | anyway, i'll give it another shot. |
| 11:42.17 | ricky_clarkson | It's a backdoor Award BIOS password - doesn't work on current ones. |
| 11:42.22 | Mjelva | ok |
| 11:42.27 | ricky_clarkson | http://www.tech-faq.com/reset-bios-password.shtml |
| 11:42.33 | MustangMatt | hahaha That's funny. |
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| 11:42.51 | ricky_clarkson | I got in one once by typing "letmein" - it was the first bloody thing I tried. |
| 11:43.06 | MustangMatt | I found a modern bios that I was able to bypass the password on a barricuda spam firewall machine. |
| 11:43.34 | MustangMatt | All I did was plug in a USB floppy drive and after it failed to boot it gave me the option of trying to fix it within bios but didn't bother to check the password. |
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| 11:45.40 | MustangMatt | lol good stuff. |
| 11:45.55 | MustangMatt | I've got in once or twice with "password" |
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| 11:51.22 | MustangMatt | Goodnight all. |
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| 11:54.39 | Mjelva | hi2u debian |
| 11:54.47 | Mjelva | okay, so i got it to boot from the cd. |
| 11:54.56 | Mjelva | i could move the options up and down, like you said. |
| 11:55.03 | Mjelva | now it wants to wipe my shit. |
| 11:55.13 | Mjelva | and i was like, "no damn you. i am your master!" |
| 11:55.23 | Mjelva | and then it gave me an installation error. |
| 11:55.45 | Mjelva | so i tried wiping the secondary partition again, and it automatically sets the file system to some crazy shit i never heard of. |
| 11:56.18 | Mjelva | Ext3 journaling file system. |
| 11:56.23 | Mjelva | whiskey tango foxtrot, over! |
| 11:56.25 | chaica | hi |
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| 11:56.47 | Mjelva | horsey? the horsey? |
| 11:56.48 | Mjelva | nah. |
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| 11:56.53 | chaica | I'm looking for a wifi usb stick fully linux compliant supporting monitor mode, is someone using this kind of device? |
| 11:56.54 | horsey | a horsey |
| 11:57.00 | Mjelva | shens, am i rite? |
| 11:57.08 | horsey | nope |
| 11:57.13 | Mjelva | then it's the wrong horsey. |
| 11:57.30 | horsey | like i said, a horsey :-) |
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| 11:58.27 | sn00p | anybody know where I can apt-get the X windows System Sourec? |
| 11:58.28 | Mjelva | so guys, what do i do with this file system thingy? |
| 11:58.45 | jm_ | Mjelva: install Windows on it |
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| 11:58.54 | Mjelva | i already have that. |
| 11:58.58 | Mjelva | i want to try linux. |
| 11:58.59 | jm_ | ahh then you're all set |
| 11:59.02 | Mjelva | i hear the chicks dig it. |
| 11:59.18 | sn00p | anybody know what package is the X Windows Source? |
| 11:59.26 | jm_ | sn00p: read apt tutorial |
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| 11:59.44 | horsey | i have done an apt-get install kernel-sources so that i can install Nvidia Drivers, but the nvidia install tools still cant find the kernel sources, and neither can I. anyone been down this rouad before |
| 11:59.45 | sn00p | I did apt-cache search x windows wasn't in there |
| 11:59.54 | jm_ | it is there |
| 11:59.58 | bibe | hint for snoop: man apt-source |
| 12:00.21 | sn00p | Tell me what package it is |
| 12:00.30 | sn00p | please |
| 12:00.31 | Mjelva | serios replies only, guys! i'm like crying here |
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| 12:00.37 | Mjelva | (shens, k) |
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| 12:00.53 | PerfDave | sn00p: Read the APT HOWTO on "working with source packages" |
| 12:00.59 | sn00p | lol |
| 12:01.11 | sn00p | fuck this channel |
| 12:01.12 | PerfDave | horsey: You don't want to use nVidia's installer. |
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| 12:01.25 | horsey | so what do i want to us ethen ? |
| 12:01.29 | PerfDave | horsey: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 12:02.02 | PerfDave | Poor sn00p, got it ass-backwards and got pissed off when we tried to help him. Dumbarse. |
| 12:02.11 | Mjelva | any of you know what i should do? |
| 12:02.13 | Mjelva | please? |
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| 12:02.59 | Fabsmad | hi all! Why some apps, like gfax, have different gui (no gtk one)? Is because they use java? |
| 12:03.22 | bibe | Mjelva : please remind me briefly of your problem, i'm just went back from lunch |
| 12:03.25 | jm_ | Fabsmad: it's because not all apps use GTK |
| 12:03.46 | snail | Fabsmad: there are literally hundreds of was of building a GUI in debian |
| 12:03.48 | horsey | PerfDave: Pardon my ignorance /msg dpkg nvidia? |
| 12:03.51 | PerfDave | gfax seems to be based on GTK1 rather than GTK2 |
| 12:04.00 | robewald | Mjelva: ext3 filesystem is fine |
| 12:04.03 | sep | Mjelva, you'r asking questions in the wrong way. to learn how to ask questions that are actualy possible to answer read this doc http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html, adn try to keep your question in one long line, and not a page full of rambeling, that's impossible to comprehend |
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| 12:04.07 | PerfDave | horsey: Type "/msg dpkg nvidia" into your IRC / chat program, where you usually type lines to the channel. |
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| 12:04.21 | Mjelva | ok, ok sep. |
| 12:04.35 | sep | Mjelva, from what you write, i think the first thing you need to do is read the installation manual |
| 12:04.49 | Fabsmad | so, on my pc works gtk1 and 2 together? |
| 12:04.52 | sep | mjelva http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 12:04.54 | jm_ | Fabsmad: sure |
| 12:04.56 | Fabsmad | is it possible? |
| 12:04.59 | Mjelva | it says debootstrap package failed with an error, and then some stuff about where to read the log. |
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| 12:05.23 | Fabsmad | can I change the look of gtk1 without change the gtk2 theme? |
| 12:05.36 | jm_ | you have my permission |
| 12:05.40 | robewald | Mjelva: there are serveral filesystems that differ in performance and features besides permissions and filenames |
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| 12:05.44 | PerfDave | Fabsmad: Yes, yes and yes. Applications can use whatever GUI toolkits they want, and work side by side. |
| 12:05.45 | Fabsmad | thanks! |
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| 12:06.05 | Mortalman | Ok, display managers..... We've got xdm, kdm, gdm. Are there any others because xdm is ugly and I don't want to install ass loads of kde and gnome libs ?? |
| 12:06.12 | Mjelva | ok. what file system should i choose? |
| 12:06.18 | jm_ | there's a little tool to switch GTK* themes with preview capability - go find it |
| 12:06.22 | Fabsmad | gtk is a prog language or it's based on other lang like c or c++? |
| 12:06.26 | PerfDave | Mjelva: YOu want ext3 |
| 12:06.35 | Mjelva | ok. |
| 12:06.37 | the13th_ | hi everyone |
| 12:06.37 | PerfDave | Fabsmad: gtk is a library, I believe it's written in C. |
| 12:06.44 | Mjelva | so this partition won't work with anything but linux? |
| 12:06.44 | the13th_ | <- got a question ;) |
| 12:06.48 | snail | Fabsmad: it's a toolkit, it can be used in many languages |
| 12:06.59 | the13th_ | anyone knows any good ebay software for sellers for ebay? |
| 12:07.02 | tarzeau | does wget suck? i say this: wget http://puzzle.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/emacs-on-aqua/emacs-20.7_ns-8.0-rc5.tar.bz2 and wget says: Length: 15,148,521 (14M) [application/x-redhat-package-manager] |
| 12:07.13 | tarzeau | file -i says the correct thing though: emacs-20.7_ns-8.0-rc5.tar.bz2: application/x-bzip2 |
| 12:07.26 | Fabsmad | thanks to all. |
| 12:07.27 | jm_ | tarzeau: that's what web server says it is |
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| 12:07.48 | fact | hi ppl can somenone give me a try? question: I want to make a copy of my system... but when I trie to copy the files its always freeze when it arrives to a file called lock... with tar or with scp... I made init=/bin/bash on boot, mount /proc and runned sshd with only these it still freeze when i try to copy it... I even don't know why this :( |
| 12:07.53 | the13th_ | tarzeau: > thats no problem with wget but a wrong mime-type on the webserver |
| 12:08.09 | snail | tarzeau: the correct thing is to believe the webserver |
| 12:08.12 | PerfDave | Mjelva: No, ext3 can be read by many operating systems, including Windows. |
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| 12:09.09 | eigenlambda | so gucharmap says that i don't have the hangul characters |
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| 12:09.32 | eigenlambda | i have xfonts-intl-asian |
| 12:09.40 | tarzeau | jm_: ah sourceforge sucks? |
| 12:09.57 | tarzeau | snail: no way! that's not a .rpm |
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| 12:10.24 | the13th_ | [14:09] <tarzeau> jm_: ah sourceforge sucks? < not sourceforge but the mirror the file is available on |
| 12:10.39 | the13th_ | also i wonder where the problem is |
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| 12:11.29 | the13th_ | it just prints out a mime type - but this doesn't change the content of the file in any way |
| 12:12.43 | tarzeau | the13th_: true but it's just wrong i just never noticed that info before |
| 12:12.55 | the13th_ | but: who cares? |
| 12:13.11 | finn__ | how do I find out wich /dev/ my usb dvd-burner is? |
| 12:13.32 | the13th_ | by mounting it? |
| 12:13.59 | Mjelva | which kernel should i choose during install 2.6.8-2-386 or 2.4.27-2-386? are these stable and tested versions? this is for a laptop, so a tested version will be fine with me. |
| 12:14.07 | finn__ | I need to know wich device it is in order to mount it.. |
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| 12:14.17 | the13th_ | do you have a scsi system? or a sata cdrom? |
| 12:14.36 | the13th_ | when not, it should be /dev/scd0 (somebody hit me hard if this wrong ;) ) |
| 12:14.47 | finn__ | I'll try |
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| 12:15.41 | finn__ | what filesystem? iso something hmm I'll check |
| 12:15.52 | the13th_ | eigenlambda: > thanx ;) |
| 12:15.55 | eigenlambda | you shouldnt need to specify |
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| 12:16.04 | eigenlambda | i don't know if you're wrong |
| 12:16.10 | eigenlambda | i just wanted to do that |
| 12:16.13 | Mjelva | anyone know on the kernel choice? |
| 12:16.25 | eigenlambda | 2.6 worksforme |
| 12:16.36 | Mjelva | that would be the newer "tested" version? |
| 12:16.37 | snail | tarzeau: i didn't say it was a .rpm, I said was that the correct thing to do is to believe the webserver |
| 12:16.45 | silverbb | is there a way to temporarily mount a samba share? |
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| 12:17.06 | OxxeN | autofs |
| 12:17.09 | snail | Mjelva: every thing in the stable version is stable and tested |
| 12:17.24 | antgel | silverbb: mount it then unmount it when you're done |
| 12:17.56 | tarzeau | snail: true |
| 12:17.58 | silverbb | antgel: but how would I mount it is my question. |
| 12:17.59 | the13th_ | antgel: > you are allway sooo helpfull ;) (is helpfull the right word?? :-/) |
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| 12:18.39 | the13th_ | either use a nice sexy slick frontend (like smb4k) or use man smb and read |
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| 12:18.50 | PerfDave | Mjelva: If you're running on a laptop, I would go for a 2.6 kernel. It's not necessarily newer than the 2.4 version, but will probably have better hardware support. |
| 12:18.55 | Mjelva | snail - i meant if they were the tested and stable versions, respectively |
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| 12:19.14 | eigenlambda | 2.6 is perfectly stable |
| 12:19.17 | Mjelva | aight |
| 12:19.18 | ttj | I need an install-CD with a kernel that supports a machine with only SATA-disks. How do I solve this? |
| 12:19.21 | eigenlambda | sometimes my mouse doesn't work |
| 12:19.29 | the13th_ | thats why its in the stable branch ;) |
| 12:19.37 | antgel | the13th_: this stuff is easily available in *nix documentation all over the shop. |
| 12:19.38 | eigenlambda | and half my multimedia keys have stopped working since i switched |
| 12:19.41 | eigenlambda | but other than that |
| 12:19.44 | antgel | silverbb: man smbmount |
| 12:19.47 | eigenlambda | 2.6 is perfectly stable |
| 12:19.51 | Mjelva | dude. |
| 12:20.07 | Mjelva | don't shen. |
| 12:20.16 | antgel | Mjelva: any linux kernel with 2.x, if x is even then the kernel's stable |
| 12:20.26 | the13th_ | antgel: > haven't smbmount been replaced with a smbfs thingie for mount? |
| 12:20.51 | the13th_ | (i havent used smb for ages now...) |
| 12:21.10 | silverbb | antgel: thanks. didn't know about smbmount. (obviously) :-) |
| 12:21.19 | antgel | the13th_: good point. not mount -t smbfs. silverbb, man mount instead. |
| 12:21.46 | yoo | i try to install squirrelmail with apache2 |
| 12:21.48 | silverbb | ok. |
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| 12:21.56 | yoo | and when i starting apache2 i have this error |
| 12:22.01 | yoo | Forcing reload of web server: Apache2Syntax error on line 4 of /etc/squirrelmail/apache.conf: |
| 12:22.08 | yoo | Invalid command 'php_flag', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 12:22.31 | the13th_ | yoo: > its all stated there |
| 12:22.41 | the13th_ | look at line 4, correct the failure |
| 12:23.09 | yoo | php_flag register_globals off |
| 12:23.17 | yoo | i try to put on |
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| 12:23.20 | yoo | the same |
| 12:23.43 | antgel | the13th_: if he'd typed mount samba into google, he would have found more articles explaining how to do this, than i've had hot dinners |
| 12:23.49 | yoo | i comment this line : nothing ican't load my squirrelmail page |
| 12:24.09 | the13th_ | antgel: > i think this could be right ;) |
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| 12:24.53 | the13th_ | maybe one should put a bot in here that bitches people asking questions with more then 100 sites of answers on it |
| 12:25.03 | Pogopuschel- | Hi, I'm trying to enable Wake on LAN on my NIC (it's interconnected with the mainboard via WOL cable), but when I send the magic packets nothing happens :/ "ethtool eth0" says "no data available". |
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| 12:25.25 | Mjelva | ok. so it's installing. i'm in the config phase. it wants me to choose the "apt". this is the netinstall version, should i choose ftp or CD? |
| 12:25.29 | Mjelva | or even http? |
| 12:25.43 | antgel | Mjelva: http is good if your network is up |
| 12:25.55 | bibe | Mjelva : perfect, http is fine |
| 12:26.02 | Mjelva | it is in windows. don't know if it is in linux, yet. |
| 12:26.14 | the13th_ | Mjelva: > then you will find out soon ;) |
| 12:26.21 | Mjelva | rite u r |
| 12:26.21 | the13th_ | do you use a router? |
| 12:26.27 | PerfDave | Mjelva: Have you read the Installation Manual? |
| 12:26.29 | antgel | !u |
| 12:26.30 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:26.36 | budgester | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:26.38 | ricky_clarkson | !r |
| 12:26.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 12:26.42 | budgester | anyone have any ideas |
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| 12:26.45 | ricky_clarkson | !rite |
| 12:26.49 | ricky_clarkson | Damn. |
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| 12:26.51 | Mjelva | it downloads |
| 12:26.52 | antgel | PerfDave: i told him to read the manual an hour back |
| 12:27.10 | the13th_ | budgester> had this too - just made a apt-get -f install mysql-server |
| 12:27.11 | TheStick | !god |
| 12:27.11 | dpkg | i heard god is The omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent Supreme Entity of the Universe. |
| 12:27.18 | the13th_ | and now everything is running for me |
| 12:27.30 | finn__ | ut gives me: |
| 12:27.30 | finn__ | Signal: SIGIOT [iot trap] |
| 12:27.30 | finn__ | Aborting |
| 12:27.38 | finn__ | what would cause that?= |
| 12:27.43 | Mjelva | give me a break, mang. you're as bored as i am. you thrive on this shit. |
| 12:27.45 | Mjelva | you love helping me! |
| 12:27.57 | budgester | thanks trying it now |
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| 12:28.29 | silverbb | lol |
| 12:28.34 | drac | !lol |
| 12:28.34 | dpkg | lol stands for lamer On line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a penguin. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg or http://loljesus.com/submissions/high2.jpg or http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v490/BillLundberg/wherebejeezuz.jpg |
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| 12:29.03 | Mjelva | !lolololokekekekewtfbbq |
| 12:29.03 | silverbb | hehe |
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| 12:29.20 | Mjelva | :( |
| 12:29.27 | SimonRaven | !botabuse |
| 12:29.27 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:30.11 | Mjelva | !botsechs |
| 12:30.20 | Mjelva | oxymoron, am i rite?!! |
| 12:30.30 | Mjelva | wait, no...pun. |
| 12:30.51 | antgel | Mjelva: i don't think it's use who are bored |
| 12:30.55 | antgel | use -> us |
| 12:31.34 | antgel | !topicsmite Vindevogel |
| 12:31.35 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Vindevogel. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 12:31.44 | antgel | !tell Vindevogel about msg |
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| 12:33.22 | antgel | how do i configure a factoid such as topicsmite where the username follows? |
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| 12:34.41 | budgester | hi, trying to fix an issue with base-config issue 323854, looks like the patch for 323854 will fix it, but how do i apply the patch ? |
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| 12:35.03 | the13th_ | anyone know if the epson stylus cx 3650 can be used under linux? |
| 12:35.10 | the13th_ | expecially the scanner-unit? |
| 12:35.13 | the13th_ | -x +s |
| 12:35.14 | antgel | the13th_: linuxprinting.org |
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| 12:35.45 | the13th_ | there i just find the 3600 - which is the same model but without a scanner-unit |
| 12:35.57 | the13th_ | thats why I ask stupid questions ;) |
| 12:36.22 | cahoot | the13th_: epson actually offers linux drivers |
| 12:36.29 | antgel | the13th_: you could plulg the thing in and see if there is a sane driver for the chipset |
| 12:36.29 | budgester | so it's not so we can point and laugh at you _13th ? |
| 12:37.13 | cahoot | the13th_: for at least some of it's product I might add |
| 12:37.20 | the13th_ | antgel> i haven't bought it - thats why I ask ;) |
| 12:37.29 | tralala | antgel: literal topicsmite |
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| 12:37.50 | dabar | Hi, does 64MB celeron 333mhz sound ok for a routing(connection sharing)/ssh/web/ftp server? I would like not to compromise any performance still. |
| 12:38.00 | jm_ | dabar: yes |
| 12:38.23 | dabar | jm_: thanks, and you think no performance compromise? |
| 12:38.25 | tralala | dabar: depends on the number of ssh/web/ftp users you want to serve at the same time |
| 12:38.30 | the13th_ | and when I go to the service of the market and ask them if they know if this is supported under linux I bet I will just get a question like: Why dont you buy windows? |
| 12:38.31 | the13th_ | .... |
| 12:38.35 | dabar | very low number. |
| 12:38.35 | jm_ | dabar: what compromise? |
| 12:38.36 | antgel | tralala: good but doesn't work |
| 12:38.48 | dabar | in performance comparing to a high end computer. |
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| 12:39.04 | jm_ | well it will be a bit slower, but it's still good enough |
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| 12:39.34 | antgel | the13th_: why not look at the sane website to see supported scanners? |
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| 12:39.44 | dabar | ya. ssh usually will be a bit slower, or all? I may set up forwarding for SSH, in some way. to my other computer, too. |
| 12:39.47 | tralala | antgel: literal CMD: topicsmite (.*?) |
| 12:39.49 | tralala | my mistake |
| 12:39.53 | the13th_ | why didn't I think about that before |
| 12:39.54 | the13th_ | .... |
| 12:40.09 | Mjelva | ok. got it installed now. |
| 12:40.14 | Mjelva | thanks a lot for all your help, guys. |
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| 12:40.36 | tralala | dabar: very low number is a relative quantity |
| 12:40.46 | dabar | just like 1, even. |
| 12:41.03 | tralala | it will be just fine for 1 user |
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| 12:41.11 | tralala | maybe even for 5 |
| 12:41.16 | dabar | for now anyhow, I am a beginner, I just want it for personal use for now. To learn. |
| 12:41.50 | tralala | do you plan to use it as a desktop and a server at the same time? |
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| 12:42.30 | PerfDave | the13th_: When a vendor asks me why I don't just use Windows when I ask about Linux support, I say "thank you very much, I'll go spend my money somewhere else" |
| 12:42.30 | dabar | Only server, really, I have this computer here. |
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| 12:42.51 | tralala | it's fine then |
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| 12:42.55 | Arafangion | PerfDave, Shame that sometimes you _can't_ :( |
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| 12:43.32 | the13th_ | Arafangion: > hmm - there are allways other ways to get your hardware - onlineshops for example |
| 12:43.34 | tralala | I used to have pii@400 128RAM for a desktop and it was bearable |
| 12:43.38 | lord_rob | Hi ! Does make-kpkg compile kernel with gcc-3.3 by default or does it use gcc-4 ? |
| 12:43.55 | dabar | I have another question. It is possible to set up a dynamic dns domain in some form, like example.com, and name the first computer dabar.example.com, and the one behind the server daba.example.com, and it all works for requests to each, right? |
| 12:44.04 | tralala | lord_rob: it uses cc --version |
| 12:44.20 | PerfDave | Arafangion: You know, you always fine. |
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| 12:45.05 | Arafangion | the13th_, Well take the case of, for instance, a broadcom wireless, high-end CAD software for civil engineers, and the like |
| 12:45.27 | Arafangion | the13th_, Oh, and the dirt-cheap scanners (which are always of terrible quality, but anyway), and so on. |
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| 12:46.00 | tralala | lord_rob: however you should think twice before making your own kernel image. The results may vary from pointless to dangerous. |
| 12:46.05 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Broadcom are not the only manufacturers |
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| 12:46.26 | Arafangion | PerfDave, Oh, and the uni requires 11g cards, then do you have a choice? |
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| 12:47.01 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Broadcom are not the only manufacturers of 802.11g cards |
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| 12:47.24 | Arafangion | PerfDave, The issue in this case is that Broadcom is often the chosen vendor when you get a laptop, or anything wireless, it's typically a broadcom wireless. |
| 12:47.34 | Arafangion | PerfDave, Case in point: Apple laptops uses broadcom. |
| 12:47.41 | josef | hi, when i try to install a wifi driver i get an error: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. when i create the directory i get the same error about missing targets in this directory. all this happens after executing "make". how can i fix this? |
| 12:47.55 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Well, if you buy Apple, you're a cunt anyway. |
| 12:47.55 | dabar | apple sucks for that fact. |
| 12:48.04 | Arafangion | PerfDave, How so? |
| 12:48.11 | antgel | josef: is the driver part of debian? |
| 12:48.20 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Because Apple are cunts, and giving them money makes you a cunt too :) |
| 12:48.20 | jm_ | josef: install kernel-headers for your kernel |
| 12:48.29 | josef | antgel: ofcourse not |
| 12:48.31 | dabar | if you buy a laptop that is apple, you are gonna suck, cause you wont be able to use wireless on linux. |
| 12:48.33 | josef | josef: thanks |
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| 12:48.52 | Arafangion | But the issue is also with most other laptops as well. |
| 12:48.57 | dabar | Like I suck. |
| 12:48.59 | Arafangion | Except for the Intel ones. |
| 12:49.09 | antgel | josef: of course not? oh, i thought you were on #debian. hopefully jm_'s suggestion will help. |
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| 12:49.30 | josef | antgel: i thought i am running debian on this box. |
| 12:49.30 | PerfDave | Arafangion: *shrug* It's your choice when you buy a laptop which one you buy and which hardware it's got in it. It's not like you can't buy a PCMCIA card if the onboard wireless is shit. |
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| 12:49.57 | Arafangion | PerfDave, I don't like things that stick out, and besides, one can't always choose. |
| 12:49.58 | _joey | is there utility for win32 to read and write to reiserfs ? |
| 12:50.02 | dabar | there is a huge list of wireless cards that work in linux, some native support, some with ndiswrapper, and some drivers...airport extreme just doesnt work, and y ou cant fit any other wireless card I think into that crap box. |
| 12:50.06 | lord_rob | tralala: I've been building my own kernel images for 3 years or so ;) |
| 12:50.28 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Well, if you "don't like things that stick out", then I guess you just need to suffer not having wifi support. |
| 12:50.36 | PerfDave | Arafangion: And you can always e-mail the manufacturer and say "I didn't buy your laptop because the built-in Wifi doesn't work on Linux", give them some incentive to either change the chipset or release Linux drivers for it. |
| 12:50.37 | tralala | lord_rob: ok, so maybe it's just pointless in your case |
| 12:50.42 | tchino | how can i toggle free my display on the client, i want to execute an X-application from the server on my client |
| 12:50.43 | Arafangion | _joey, Highly unlikely, but you could try running linux within "uml", there's a highly development port to windows, but I've never tested it. |
| 12:50.46 | jm_ | _joey: there is one for reading AFAIR |
| 12:51.09 | Arafangion | PerfDave, Many have tried that. |
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| 12:51.49 | dabar | Ok, thanks for the advice, Im off to the doctor, Im a little sick. |
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| 12:51.54 | tralala | tchino: if you want to use remote X display the easiest way to do so is to use ssh X11 forwarding. For details man ssh |
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| 12:52.09 | PerfDave | Arafangion: And the world is a better place for it. |
| 12:52.28 | tchino | tralala: i think with ssh -X myremotepc application |
| 12:52.45 | tralala | yes |
| 12:53.04 | the13th_ | or just ssh -X remotebox and then just start the apps with appname & |
| 12:53.13 | tchino | tralala: but then it comes the message from my client: can't open display :0 |
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| 12:53.34 | jethro | tchino: you need to apt-get install xauth on both, and also you need to enable X11 forwarding in sshd_config (if it's not enabled already) |
| 12:54.57 | PerfDave | "ssh -v" is good for debugging X forwarding ;) |
| 12:55.07 | Arafangion | PerfDave, Ever tried "FreeNX"? |
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| 12:55.16 | jethro | s/X.*// |
| 12:55.16 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Nope |
| 12:55.39 | tchino | ijethro: it doesn't find xauth |
| 12:55.45 | tchino | jethro: it doesn't find xauth |
| 12:55.47 | Arafangion | PerfDave, Apparently it compresses harder (approx 10:1 to 100:1), cache's and reduces roundtrips alot. |
| 12:56.09 | jethro | tchino: my bad, it's in xbase-clients |
| 12:56.34 | tchino | jethro: yes i find it too, with apt-cache |
| 12:56.45 | PerfDave | Arafangion: *shrug* I don't have a problem with X forwarding as it is, I'm not going to try and fix something that isn't broken for me. |
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| 12:57.15 | Arafangion | PerfDave, Well I'm stuck with a 64kbps upload on one of my networks :( |
| 12:57.30 | PerfDave | Arafangion: As I have said many times before, it sucks to be you ;) |
| 12:57.40 | jethro | hah |
| 12:57.51 | Arafangion | PerfDave, If only you really knew :) |
| 12:58.26 | jethro | !comfort Arafangion |
| 12:58.27 | dpkg | There, there, Arafangion. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:58.27 | liable | @annoy jethro |
| 12:58.28 | ravenbird | jethro: HELP!!!!! ANSWER!!!! PLZ!!!!! |
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| 12:58.38 | liable | sorry |
| 12:58.40 | jethro | :) |
| 12:58.44 | jethro | hello liable |
| 12:58.45 | Arafangion | dpkg, Thanks. |
| 12:58.45 | dpkg | that's ok |
| 12:58.47 | liable | :P |
| 12:59.29 | liable | gday jethro :) |
| 12:59.39 | chaica | hi |
| 12:59.41 | chaica | I'm looking for a wifi usb stick fully linux compliant supporting monitor mode, is someone using this kind of device? |
| 13:00.05 | jethro | chaica: you'll have more answers asking this in #wireless, or any other wireless specific channel. |
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| 13:00.19 | jeff__ | when installing java should i use jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586-rpm.bin or jre-1_5_0_04-linux-i586.bin |
| 13:00.28 | tchino | jethro: from where i had to execute xauth, from the server |
| 13:00.42 | antgel | !tell jeff__ about install java |
| 13:01.00 | jeff__ | dosent specifiy which sun package to download |
| 13:01.00 | antgel | tchino: it should run automatically |
| 13:01.08 | jethro | tchino: you don't execute xauth. you just make sure the sshd_config allows X11forwarding, and you make sure you have xauth on both |
| 13:01.16 | antgel | jeff__: up to you, but use java-package |
| 13:01.27 | drac | jethro: the non-rpm one with make-jpkg. |
| 13:01.43 | jethro | drac: cheers |
| 13:01.43 | Mjelva | should i install xorg-x11 or gnome? |
| 13:01.47 | tchino | jethro: i have done it, but now comes the message: |
| 13:02.00 | drac | jethro: ehm, sorry that was for jeff :) |
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| 13:02.07 | jethro | drac: I figured that out ;) |
| 13:02.08 | PerfDave | jeff__: Neither, Sun's java is evil ;) |
| 13:02.22 | antgel | Mjelva: gnome runs on xorg. |
| 13:02.27 | tchino | jethro: Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding. |
| 13:02.27 | tchino | /usr/bin/X11/xauth: creating new authority file /home/tchino/.Xauthority |
| 13:02.27 | tchino | connect skyliner port 6000: Connection refused |
| 13:02.27 | tchino | X connection to localhost:10.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown). |
| 13:02.28 | *** kick/#debian [tchino!n=debhelp@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (flood) |
| 13:02.47 | tralala | chaica: there is some sort of support for ASUS (something)-167 checkout the rt24xx project |
| 13:02.50 | Angel-SL | !topic tchino |
| 13:02.55 | jethro | Angel-SL: he's out |
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| 13:03.02 | jethro | abrotman: hello |
| 13:03.03 | antgel | Mjelva: choose the window manager or desktop environment that you want. lots of websites comparing them. |
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| 13:03.12 | tchino | sorry |
| 13:03.14 | abrotman | jethro: you're here! |
| 13:03.18 | jethro | abrotman: yes I am |
| 13:03.18 | Angel-SL | !paste tchino |
| 13:03.18 | abrotman | jethro: no -ot ? |
| 13:03.24 | Angel-SL | !paster tchino |
| 13:03.26 | Angel-SL | bah |
| 13:03.27 | jethro | abrotman: no I got bored of -ot |
| 13:03.28 | abrotman | !paste |
| 13:03.28 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff. |
| 13:03.38 | Angel-SL | !tell tchino about paste |
| 13:03.48 | abrotman | jethro: but we miss you! |
| 13:03.59 | tchino | Angel-SL: sorry, i had to do this in #flood |
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| 13:04.20 | jethro | abrotman: you're kidding me |
| 13:04.28 | tchino | jethro: you have read my problem |
| 13:04.29 | abrotman | jethro: why not? |
| 13:04.29 | Angel-SL | sure |
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| 13:04.52 | jethro | tchino: yes. you're on a default debian system? |
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| 13:04.55 | Angel-SL | well now |
| 13:04.55 | tchino | Angel-SL: i have forgotten it |
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| 13:05.17 | jethro | abrotman: I'll explain it in pm, no need to discuss it on #debian :) |
| 13:05.23 | abrotman | jethro: okeedokee |
| 13:05.28 | Angel-SL | when I add a user from bash, it doesnt auto. make the hode dir! |
| 13:05.29 | jethro | abrotman: if you don't mind me /msg'ing of course |
| 13:05.32 | Angel-SL | home* |
| 13:05.36 | Zimmie | Hello! Can anyone here help me with my locale issues in OpenOffice 1.1.3, Debian Sarge? |
| 13:05.40 | abrotman | jethro: yes .. very much .. i will invade france! |
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| 13:05.43 | jethro | hah |
| 13:05.54 | black_Nightmare | just curious but any idea about using ip over scsi with debian? |
| 13:05.54 | abrotman | jethro: nope .. go ahead |
| 13:06.09 | tchino | jethro: my client is debian testing and my server ebian sarge |
| 13:06.23 | tchino | jethro: my server debian sarge |
| 13:07.05 | antgel | tchino: you need xbase-clients at both ends, yeah? |
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| 13:07.18 | Angel-SL | when I add a user from bash, it doesnt auto. make the home dir! |
| 13:07.26 | antgel | !tell Zimmie about ask |
| 13:07.30 | tchino | antgel: yes i installed on both system |
| 13:07.32 | deepan | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11" |
| 13:07.34 | ricky_clarkson | Angel-SL: How do you make the user? |
| 13:07.35 | asg | Angel-SL: then user adduser, not useradd |
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| 13:07.47 | deepan | i get it when i install emboss .. a biosoftware .. |
| 13:08.16 | tchino | antgel: oh it is functioned |
| 13:08.28 | cahoot | deepan: missing dev libs? |
| 13:08.41 | dimir | deepan: install libx11-dev |
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| 13:10.14 | afaict | What app should I use to join 2 .avi files ? |
| 13:10.16 | alex123 | cya |
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| 13:10.47 | tralala | afaict: you might use mencoder |
| 13:10.54 | tralala | as in mplayer |
| 13:11.12 | jm_ | avimerge |
| 13:11.15 | afaict | tralala, mplayer is not in apt anymore |
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| 13:11.28 | Zimmie | Ok, here's a longer version: I'm using Debian Sarge (kernel 2.6.x), with KDE and OpenOffice 1.1.3. I've set the locale to Swedish using "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and downloaded the language package (not the spellchecker!) for OpenOffice. Everything in the computer is in Swedish, except for Ooo! I've changed language in the preferences of Ooo to Swedish, so it should be working. Anyone with the same issue? |
| 13:11.29 | josef | the PIPE button on my laptop doesnt seem to work. im using the "DE" layout. is there something special i need to add to XF86Config? |
| 13:11.29 | tchino | somebody knows a free newsserver, news.individual.de demands money |
| 13:11.33 | antgel | afaict: you could try cat file2 >> file1 |
| 13:11.37 | tralala | it has never been, if I'm not mistaken |
| 13:11.38 | timo | afaict, avimerge |
| 13:11.40 | antgel | tchino: ask your isp |
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| 13:11.51 | afaict | antgel, :D I would like... |
| 13:11.56 | afaict | timo, avimerge ? |
| 13:12.08 | timo | antgel, that works, but messes up the index (thus, seeking the file) |
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| 13:12.12 | antgel | knoppix_: why are you trying to dcc chat? |
| 13:12.16 | afaict | timo, no results : apt-cache search avimerge |
| 13:12.26 | tchino | antgel: isp?? |
| 13:12.33 | abrotman | Zimmie: #debian-oo i think .. or #debian-openoffice .. whichever it is |
| 13:12.33 | antgel | yes |
| 13:12.38 | timo | afaict, in the transcode package. but it seems that's not in main either |
| 13:12.41 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: The former. |
| 13:12.49 | afaict | timo, im using sid. |
| 13:12.54 | Zimmie | abrotman: I've tried, but the channel seems dead.. |
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| 13:13.04 | abrotman | Zimmie: be patient .. people sleep you know :) |
| 13:13.14 | tchino | antgel: what is isp |
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| 13:13.23 | timo | afaict, me too, plus marillat's apt repository which has transcode (and mplayer, btw) |
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| 13:13.29 | antgel | !tell tchino about isp |
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| 13:13.40 | liable | abrotman: you slepp? |
| 13:13.47 | liable | gah.. |
| 13:13.52 | abrotman | liable: and drink |
| 13:13.52 | afaict | timo, I tryed a lot of times but... I get error |
| 13:13.58 | liable | haha |
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| 13:14.29 | timo | afaict, error? |
| 13:14.49 | Angel-SL | where do you get DPKG |
| 13:14.56 | saboteur | SunOS 2.4? ppft i have 1.1.2 :) |
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| 13:15.11 | saboteur | angel: in /usr/bin |
| 13:15.13 | afaict | timo, you will se |
| 13:15.32 | Zimmie | Abrotman: Hmmm... Not in Sweden. It's afternoon here. |
| 13:15.34 | drac | Isn't that.. SunOS 5.4 a.k.a Solaris 2.4 ? |
| 13:15.43 | abrotman | Zimmie: irc has no time! |
| 13:15.47 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about msg |
| 13:15.52 | saboteur | ahh yes, this is solaris 1.1.2 aka SunOS 4.1.4 |
| 13:16.06 | saboteur | bsd-style init |
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| 13:16.12 | afaict | timo, whats the repository of marillat ? |
| 13:16.13 | Mjelva | i tried installing xorg, and it says: "could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - 13 (permission denied). then it asks if i'm root. |
| 13:16.20 | afaict | timo, apt-get.org is not working for me |
| 13:16.20 | jethro | sunos with a bsd style init? |
| 13:16.30 | tralala | Mjelva: well, are you? |
| 13:16.35 | timo | afaict, http://debian.video.free.fr/ |
| 13:16.40 | Zimmie | Mjelva: Try to log in as root! |
| 13:16.41 | chaica | tralala:Yes it is asus167g, but driver has big endian issues with ppc architecture (and I have a ibook) |
| 13:16.42 | antgel | Mjelva: well are you? otherwise you might have another apt process running |
| 13:16.47 | afaict | timo, i saw now. |
| 13:17.07 | Mjelva | well, i would suppose that the account i created during install is root. but it would seem not. |
| 13:17.14 | Mjelva | it's the one i'm logged into. |
| 13:17.20 | Pogopuschel- | Hi, I'm trying to enable Wake on LAN on my NIC (it's interconnected with the mainboard via WOL cable), but when I send the magic packets nothing happens :/ "ethtool eth0" says "no data available". |
| 13:17.26 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about root |
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| 13:17.36 | tralala | chaica: that's too bad. However you might help the project to resolve the issues. |
| 13:17.36 | Mjelva | as for having another apt process running, i wouldn't know. i finished installing, and it's been sitting at the command line since. |
| 13:17.49 | Zimmie | Mjelva: Simple way, write "whoami" in bash, |
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| 13:18.03 | Mjelva | bash would be the command line? |
| 13:18.08 | tralala | yes |
| 13:18.25 | antgel | Mjelva: you need to get a *nix book, o'reilly tend to be good |
| 13:18.25 | tralala | just type whoami and see the result |
| 13:18.30 | afaict | timo, its working fine now. thanks |
| 13:18.35 | Zimmie | Mjelva: Or just look if your command line looks like "$" or "#"! |
| 13:18.57 | Mjelva | ok, my bad guys. |
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| 13:19.00 | Mjelva | i wasn't root. it's installing now. |
| 13:19.05 | tralala | s/looks like/ends with/ |
| 13:19.21 | Zimmie | Mjelva: I hope you know what your doing and what "root" is! |
| 13:19.26 | antgel | Mjelva: don't forget to install a window manager |
| 13:19.28 | Mjelva | thanks a lot. and i'll remember the part about not logging in as root for everyday use, antgel |
| 13:19.46 | Mjelva | zimmie, root's same as administrator, innit? |
| 13:19.55 | Mjelva | antgel - like blackbox? |
| 13:20.03 | Mjelva | a shell? |
| 13:20.26 | antgel | Mjelva: that's one of many. still suggest you get a book. people here generally expect you to know the basics first. |
| 13:20.32 | tralala | root is like use *only* when there is no other way |
| 13:20.58 | Mjelva | ok |
| 13:21.05 | Mjelva | so i don't need root for all installations? |
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| 13:21.17 | tralala | Mjelva: use aptitude to select packages |
| 13:21.26 | chaica | tralala: I'd like to be a good programmer :) |
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| 13:21.31 | Mjelva | i'll have to read up on that. don't really know what it is. |
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| 13:21.33 | tralala | normally you do |
| 13:21.44 | Mjelva | i used "apt-get" to install xorg, so i'm guessing it has to do with that. |
| 13:21.47 | Mjelva | installing shit, i mean. |
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| 13:21.57 | silverbb | antgel: I agree. Reading a book on the basics is a good prerequisite |
| 13:22.00 | tralala | Mjelva: also see the docs at debian.org. I think there are some good starters |
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| 13:22.10 | Mjelva | i'll go through them. |
| 13:22.13 | antgel | Mjelva: go and read http://www.nl.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 13:22.27 | Mjelva | once i get a browser going on the laptop. i'm getting tired of walking back and forth. |
| 13:22.39 | Mjelva | (wireless isn't up yet, so the laptop's in the living room with the router) |
| 13:22.42 | sunfl0wer | hell |
| 13:22.45 | sunfl0wer | o |
| 13:22.46 | tralala | chaica: you don't need to be one to help the/a project. You could be a tester. |
| 13:22.57 | antgel | Mjelva: and i'm getting tired of telling you things that you could find out if you could be bothered to walk |
| 13:23.08 | Mjelva | i am walking. |
| 13:23.09 | silverbb | sunfl0wer: well, hell to you too. :P |
| 13:23.13 | Mjelva | back and forth. all the time. |
| 13:23.19 | sunfl0wer | lol |
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| 13:23.39 | t3qq3r | does anyone know how to setup transparencies? |
| 13:23.40 | sunfl0wer | i was to quick to press enter |
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| 13:23.59 | tralala | o |
| 13:24.06 | sunfl0wer | o |
| 13:24.14 | t3qq3r | I am trying to set up transparencies on my aterm and fluxbox to no avail |
| 13:24.28 | sunfl0wer | I have one question... |
| 13:24.30 | t3qq3r | I just see the black background on aterm |
| 13:24.39 | tralala | t3qq3r: and google gives no results? |
| 13:24.42 | sunfl0wer | when i shutdown my laptop |
| 13:24.46 | t3qq3r | and I created that file .Xdefaults |
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| 13:24.58 | sunfl0wer | it don't umount the home file system |
| 13:25.00 | t3qq3r | tralala: I have most of the things from google |
| 13:25.02 | t3qq3r | still not working |
| 13:25.40 | sunfl0wer | fortunatly i use ext3, but at restart it has always to recover the journal |
| 13:25.43 | tralala | sunfl0wer: is the /home specified in /etc/fstab? |
| 13:25.52 | sunfl0wer | tralala, sure |
| 13:26.00 | chaica | tralala: of course, I posted debug trace for endianess problem for rt2570 driver. |
| 13:26.15 | sunfl0wer | /dev/hda8 /home ext3 defaults 0 2 |
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| 13:26.39 | t3qq3r | what do I have to do in Xorg Aterm and Fluxbox in order for my system to be transparent? |
| 13:26.40 | sunfl0wer | I cant understand why |
| 13:26.48 | tralala | where 0 2 stands for what? So far my partitions are always mounted with 0 0 |
| 13:26.56 | sunfl0wer | i tried to stop X and manually umount the partition |
| 13:27.14 | sunfl0wer | but seems that there are some open files on this partition |
| 13:27.29 | tralala | !tell t3qq3r -about repeat |
| 13:27.40 | sunfl0wer | but if i use "lsof | grep -i home" |
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| 13:27.48 | sunfl0wer | i can't see any open file |
| 13:28.09 | tralala | are there any users logged in? |
| 13:28.14 | t3qq3r | tralala: what ? where should I put this? "-about repeat" |
| 13:28.19 | t3qq3r | in what config file? |
| 13:28.29 | sunfl0wer | tralala, only root |
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| 13:28.52 | g0th | hi, I can't print anymore (I think after a debian update) |
| 13:28.53 | tralala | t3qq3r: check what dpkg just told you |
| 13:29.02 | g0th | I use cups and I get the following log message: |
| 13:29.08 | t3qq3r | tralala: I have gentoo |
| 13:29.21 | tralala | sunfl0wer: and root cwd is not somewhere in /home? |
| 13:29.23 | t3qq3r | tralala: I thought transparencies where distro independent |
| 13:29.35 | dan2_ | abrotman: ahoy |
| 13:29.39 | g0th | -- |
| 13:29.40 | g0th | D [19/Aug/2005:17:28:39 +0200] [Job 132] ESP Ghostscript 815.00: Error: Font Renderer Plugin ( FreeType ) return code = -1 |
| 13:29.42 | g0th | ... |
| 13:29.42 | abrotman | dan2_: no practice? |
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| 13:29.44 | sunfl0wer | tralala, no..it' s in the / fs |
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| 13:29.47 | dan2_ | abrotman: ... |
| 13:29.51 | tralala | t3qq3r: did you see dpkg about repeat? |
| 13:29.53 | g0th | D [19/Aug/2005:17:28:39 +0200] [Job 132] ESP Ghostscript 815.00: Unrecoverable error, exit code 1 |
| 13:29.53 | g0th | E [19/Aug/2005:17:28:39 +0200] [Job 132] No pages found! |
| 13:29.53 | g0th | E [19/Aug/2005:17:28:39 +0200] PID 22068 stopped with status 1! |
| 13:29.53 | g0th | E [19/Aug/2005:17:28:39 +0200] PID 22067 stopped with status 1! |
| 13:29.53 | dan2_ | abrotman: no id? |
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| 13:29.55 | PerfDave | t3qq3r: Why are you asking on #debian if you're running Gentoo? |
| 13:29.59 | g0th | --- |
| 13:30.20 | tralala | sunfl0wer: so umount /home gives what/ |
| 13:30.27 | t3qq3r | PerfDave: but Transparencies is the same everywhere right? |
| 13:30.35 | sunfl0wer | tralala, fs busy |
| 13:30.51 | sunfl0wer | umount: /home: device is busy |
| 13:30.56 | tralala | sunfl0wer: do you run any fancy services? |
| 13:30.57 | g0th | any idea why I can't print anymore? I use the latest debian sid with cupsys |
| 13:31.05 | PerfDave | t3qq3r: Why are you asking on #debian if you're running Gentoo? |
| 13:31.09 | sunfl0wer | also is i close all open files |
| 13:31.10 | asg | g0th: check the bits |
| 13:31.11 | tralala | especially user compiled? |
| 13:31.14 | asg | g0th: bts rather |
| 13:31.26 | antgel | sunfl0wer: lsof /home |
| 13:31.50 | sunfl0wer | antgel, null output |
| 13:31.55 | tralala | also try fuser -m /home |
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| 13:32.26 | sunfl0wer | tralala, I' m not sure, about services...can be possible...i have to check |
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| 13:32.29 | tralala | paste your pstree |
| 13:32.29 | abrotman | dan2_: ah ok |
| 13:32.43 | dan2_ | abrotman: where is your govt punk? |
| 13:32.44 | dan2_ | ;) |
| 13:32.53 | abrotman | dan2_: he works for the gov't .. not at work yet :) |
| 13:33.07 | sunfl0wer | tralala, ok |
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| 13:33.09 | dan2_ | bum |
| 13:33.32 | g0th | asg: bts? |
| 13:33.49 | asg | !btssmite g0th |
| 13:34.11 | antgel | tralala: i still can't work out how to create a *smite factoid |
| 13:34.14 | sunfl0wer | tralala, can you give me a link where can i paste |
| 13:34.15 | sunfl0wer | ? |
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| 13:34.24 | budgester | having issues with getting mysql-server to install i get mysql-server: Depends: mysql-server-4.1 but it is not going to be installed, but get mysql-server-4.1 is already the newest version when itr yand install 4.1 |
| 13:34.36 | antgel | !topicsmite sunfl0wer |
| 13:34.37 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sunfl0wer. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:34.38 | tralala | sunfl0wer: /msg dpkg paste |
| 13:34.42 | Arafangion | That reminds me, "apt-get install kde" doesn't work on sid, peculiar. |
| 13:35.00 | sunfl0wer | :D |
| 13:35.02 | Arafangion | (But that makes sense, kde's had alot of trouble lately) |
| 13:35.20 | g0th | ehhh |
| 13:35.21 | g0th | thx |
| 13:35.24 | PerfDave | Arafangion: It's not exactly perculiar fo stuff in sid to be broken :) |
| 13:35.25 | g0th | it's exactly my bug |
| 13:35.27 | Arafangion | antgel, I have no topic. |
| 13:35.30 | Maulkin | budgester: What command are you typing? And what distribution is it? |
| 13:35.32 | g0th | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=321049 |
| 13:35.58 | Arafangion | PerfDave, It's not peculiar for stuff in sid to be broken, true, but the stuff tends to be installable, at least in the sense that apt-get doesn't complain (much) |
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| 13:36.11 | budgester | debian unstable, apt-get install mysql-server first, then when it says you need 4.1 i enter apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 13:36.22 | budgester | tried apt-get -f install mysql-server as well |
| 13:36.26 | tralala | dpkg, CMD: antgelsmite (.*?) is Say something to $1. |
| 13:36.26 | dpkg | ...but CMD: is already something else... |
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| 13:37.04 | budgester | have also tried uninstalling both packages and doing a dpkg --purge on each with the same results |
| 13:37.09 | Arafangion | Why isn't there a topic here? |
| 13:37.16 | jethro | tralala: antgelsmite $foo is <reply> say something to $foo. you don't need to use the cmd: way |
| 13:37.21 | ticker | Anyone had an issue with the debian mysql package where it fails to start, and if you check the log it says unrecognized option `--skip-external-locking' |
| 13:37.28 | noux | hi all ! |
| 13:37.47 | tralala | jethro: thanks |
| 13:37.51 | tralala | antgel: there you go |
| 13:37.53 | Maulkin | budgester: Can you try "apt-get remove --purge mysql-server mysql-server-4.1;dpkg --purge mysql-server mysql-server-4.1;apt-get install mysql-server" |
| 13:37.57 | Arafangion | ticker, out of interest, why do you like mysql? |
| 13:38.07 | jethro | tralala: you're welcome sir ;) |
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| 13:38.19 | tralala | :) |
| 13:38.25 | tralala | !irritate jethro |
| 13:38.26 | dpkg | jethro: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
| 13:38.33 | jethro | tralala: U FUX0RZ |
| 13:38.38 | PerfDave | Arafangion: Wow, you're a newbie, aren't you? :) |
| 13:38.48 | sunfl0wer | i pasted in flood |
| 13:38.52 | sunfl0wer | init???MailScanner???MailScanner |
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| 13:38.54 | noux | it's my second try with DEBIAN and linux in general ... I need to know how to mount a drive and all the commands I find on the next don't work ... can some1 help me ? (want to mount a NTFS partition ...) |
| 13:38.55 | Arafangion | PerfDave, I just don't like mySQL! |
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| 13:39.20 | Arafangion | PerfDave, And out of interest, I run Stable on my servers, just this computer is Sid. |
| 13:39.22 | jethro | sunfl0wer: don't paste here! |
| 13:39.22 | petemc | sunfl0wer: stop |
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| 13:39.24 | sunfl0wer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.25 | jethro | !moron sunfl0wer |
| 13:39.26 | dpkg | sunfl0wer: You are moron #36 |
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| 13:39.32 | PerfDave | Arafangion: That's OK, I don't like MySQL either. I was referring to your comment about sid. |
| 13:39.34 | sunfl0wer | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:39.35 | Maulkin | budgester: Erm... can you do "apt-get update" first though. |
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| 13:39.49 | jethro | !ops sunfl0wer flooding but not triggering the flood protection |
| 13:39.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: sunfl0wer flooding but not triggering the flood protection |
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| 13:39.57 | Maulkin | !ops flooding, no autokick |
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| 13:39.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: flooding, no autokick |
| 13:39.58 | sunfl0wer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:40.05 | noux | erf .... |
| 13:40.08 | ElectricElf | Just an accident I presume? |
| 13:40.09 | noux | plz help me some1 ? |
| 13:40.10 | jethro | thanks a lot ElectricElf |
| 13:40.13 | ElectricElf | No probs |
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| 13:40.16 | ticker | Arafangion: I don't really know any other alternatives. It's just what happened to be what a lot of open source web apps I tinker with like to use and it's easy to administer. |
| 13:40.21 | ElectricElf | Looks like it was an accident anyways |
| 13:40.24 | antgel | ElectricElf: quick as fuck |
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| 13:40.31 | budgester | ok that gives The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 13:40.40 | Phated | He's back. |
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| 13:40.45 | tralala | sunfl0wer: stop fucking pasting! |
| 13:40.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o helix] by ChanServ |
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| 13:40.45 | *** mode/#debian [-o helix] by helix |
| 13:40.52 | jm_ | speed demons |
| 13:40.52 | silverbb | here we go again. ;-) |
| 13:40.59 | Arafangion | ticker, An excelent alternative is postgresql, and it's been ACID compliant for a heck alot longer than mysql :) |
| 13:41.03 | Maulkin | budgester: Can you do an update first? |
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| 13:41.25 | antgel | tralala, jethro: ta |
| 13:41.28 | budgester | same results |
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| 13:41.33 | ticker | Arafangion: we use ACID with mysql and honestly I could care less if postgresql has been compliant for longer =p |
| 13:41.34 | helix | oh god |
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| 13:41.42 | PerfDave | Thank you, helix |
| 13:41.44 | helix | ok, it can't come back this time |
| 13:41.46 | ticker | Arafangion: I don't mean that in a rude way, just really I don't care |
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| 13:42.03 | Arafangion | ticker, Well indeed, in some situations it's unimportant. |
| 13:42.12 | tralala | he used to be normal, and then all of a sudden... |
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| 13:42.39 | noux | helix, could u help me to mount a NTFS partition under debian plz ? |
| 13:42.43 | phaedral | hi all; any clue on spell check in openoffice 1.1.3? I give dialogs as if checking, but never finds any errors... |
| 13:42.46 | noux | helix, I'm a beginner ... |
| 13:42.51 | Arafangion | noux, Read-only? |
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| 13:42.59 | helix | noux: I don't know anything about ntfs |
| 13:43.01 | antgel | !googlesmite noux |
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| 13:43.04 | petemc | noux: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdXX /mnt/point -o umask=022 |
| 13:43.07 | Arafangion | noux, It'll cost you $69 US if you wish to have read-write. |
| 13:43.16 | antgel | i've never done a googlesmite before |
| 13:43.18 | noux | Arafangion, :D |
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| 13:43.30 | Maulkin | budgester: ok... How about "apt-get install mysql-server mysql-server-4.1" |
| 13:43.34 | noux | petemc, ty I'll try |
| 13:43.43 | petemc | thats the spirit |
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| 13:43.47 | noux | petemc, in general I make HDA1 ? |
| 13:43.53 | tralala | antgel: I personally find the barbie factoids much better than the smites |
| 13:43.55 | petemc | noux: dmesg|grep hd |
| 13:44.01 | tralala | !be google barbie |
| 13:44.01 | dpkg | I want to find pictures of naked chix0rz on google but I'm having real trouble.... |
| 13:44.06 | budgester | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:44.06 | budgester | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.12 | noux | antgel, I've tried it like I said :) the commands didn't work |
| 13:44.12 | budgester | E: Broken packages |
| 13:44.29 | Maulkin | budgester: What mirror are you using? |
| 13:44.35 | phaedral | anyone else with spell check trouble in openoffice in sarge? |
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| 13:44.47 | budgester | debian.blueyonder.co.uk |
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| 13:44.55 | Maulkin | odd. |
| 13:44.57 | antgel | phaedral: possibly some people |
| 13:44.58 | Nermal | lo lo.. is there a way to see when a debian box was installed ? |
| 13:45.06 | Maulkin | budgester: can you try "apt-cache show mysql-server|wc -l" |
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| 13:45.22 | jafar00 | Hi. Is there any reason why a laptop would be getting 192.168.0.0 from dhcp instead of a valid address? |
| 13:45.27 | antgel | Nermal: ls -l /etc/debian_version if the box hasn't been dist-upgraded |
| 13:45.30 | budgester | 24 results |
| 13:45.33 | Nermal | hmmm |
| 13:45.37 | antgel | jafar00: fucked dhcp server |
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| 13:45.47 | Maulkin | budgester: Ok, that's wrong |
| 13:45.51 | antgel | jafar00: or fucked client config |
| 13:46.03 | jafar00 | antgel: The other pc's get the address ok |
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| 13:46.13 | Maulkin | budgester: Can you do a "apt-get clean && apt-get update && apt-get install mysql-server" |
| 13:46.17 | antgel | jafar00: looks like the client config then |
| 13:46.19 | jafar00 | antgel: and the client appears configed ok |
| 13:46.24 | jafar00 | :( |
| 13:46.29 | jafar00 | bizarre |
| 13:46.30 | petemc | noux: try thinking about it |
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| 13:46.39 | antgel | jafar00: cat /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:46.39 | petemc | noux: also, dont message people |
| 13:46.49 | Maulkin | oh, actually... |
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| 13:47.21 | noux | petemc, okay, sorry I didn't last day with a friendly man ... |
| 13:47.28 | noux | petemc, I did it* |
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| 13:47.42 | budgester | changed repository to ftp.debian.org |
| 13:47.49 | budgester | changed repository to ftp.uk.debian.org |
| 13:47.50 | mveers | hi |
| 13:48.01 | budgester | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 13:48.01 | budgester | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:48.02 | budgester | E: Broken packages |
| 13:48.05 | budgester | same issue |
| 13:48.07 | petemc | noux: you need to identify which partition you need to mount, you can get this info from dmesg |
| 13:48.09 | noux | petemc, but u're right, I've thunk and it was because I didn't create the wright directory ... although I don't find my NTFS hdd I want to mount :/ |
| 13:48.19 | noux | petemc, okay thank you |
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| 13:49.19 | stouset | Is the 2.6.12 kernel having USB problems? Perhaps in conjunction with hotplug/udev? |
| 13:49.33 | secher | Heyas all.. how do I change the color depth in X, I'm using X.org, and I only need it temporarily. I'm trying to setup a game under wine for my daughter, and it keeps freezing at the intro. All I can figure is that runnign in 24 bit color depth is causing the glitch. |
| 13:49.39 | tralala | noux: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 13:50.09 | tralala | secher: try xrandr |
| 13:50.31 | secher | !dpkg xrandr |
| 13:50.31 | dpkg | somebody said xrandr was used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection. |
| 13:50.41 | mwilson | secher: Of course, you have nothing at all to base that on, right? |
| 13:51.07 | stouset | secher: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | sed -e "s/DefaultDepth\t24/DefaultDepth\t16/" |
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| 13:51.21 | secher | tralala: will try. thanks. mwilson, no, you are correct. Wine's debug says everything's fine. |
| 13:51.38 | secher | mwilson: do you have a better suggestion? |
| 13:51.41 | stouset | secher: If it's dying in Wine, it's more than likely a Wine problem. |
| 13:51.50 | stouset | secher: And changing the color depth is unlikely to fix anything. |
| 13:51.54 | the13th_ | secher> this is more likely a wine problem |
| 13:51.59 | budgester | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld...failed. |
| 13:51.59 | budgester | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.59 | budgester | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysq |
| 13:51.59 | budgester | ld.sock' (111)' |
| 13:51.59 | budgester | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' |
| 13:51.59 | the13th_ | do you use wine or winex? |
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| 13:52.12 | mwilson | secher: Just wondering what sort of reasoning would have lead you to *that* conclusion. |
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| 13:52.15 | the13th_ | because for games i would suggest winex |
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| 13:52.34 | stouset | budgester: I had that problem yesterday. Let me see if I can remember what solved it. |
| 13:52.42 | budgester | cool |
| 13:52.44 | noux | tralala, yes and ? :) |
| 13:52.49 | stouset | budgester: Sarge, yes? |
| 13:52.55 | budgester | unstable |
| 13:52.56 | stouset | budgester: MySQL 4.0? |
| 13:52.57 | secher | mwilson: merely shooting in the dark in this case.. are you willing to help me figure it out? |
| 13:52.59 | noux | tralala, thank you , but what does it help me for , |
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| 13:53.01 | stouset | budgester: Oh. Then never mind. |
| 13:53.11 | stouset | secher: there's nothing to figure out. |
| 13:53.11 | budgester | mysql-server-4.1 |
| 13:53.26 | tralala | noux: it helps you to locate your ntfs partition |
| 13:53.28 | mwilson | secher: Nope. If you want to run Windows applications, that's what Windows is for. End of problem. |
| 13:53.31 | stouset | secher: The sad truth is, wine is very hit or miss. If it misses, there ain't much you can do other than submit a patch. |
| 13:53.38 | kamaraju | when doing a grub-install, do I need to install it on to / or /boot or just /dev/hda? Are all these equivalent? Does the solution change if I have a dual boot machine? |
| 13:54.05 | stouset | kamaraju: I thought grub-install was run automagically? |
| 13:54.12 | Arafangion | stouset, I have been able to run mozilla firefox _in_wine_. |
| 13:54.16 | Angel-SL | !dpkg |
| 13:54.16 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack, or a smart infobot, or voltagex's friend |
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| 13:54.32 | noux | tralala, okay ... :) |
| 13:54.36 | Arafangion | stouset, Other than the screen being extremely blurry (Looks like wine anti-aliases _twice_), it worked quite well. |
| 13:54.36 | Maulkin | Well, TBH, I've run out of options. It could well be a temp dependancy glitch. |
| 13:54.50 | kamaraju | stouset: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html#GRUB-KERNEL-PKG says to do update-grub manually. |
| 13:54.57 | the13th_ | damn - can't get the make-jpkg to do what it should do |
| 13:54.58 | secher | stouset: Ok, thanks anyway. mwilson: thank you for your help as well. |
| 13:54.59 | the13th_ | grrrrr |
| 13:55.00 | Arafangion | Sid has alot of dependancy glitches atm. |
| 13:55.16 | secher | Arafangion: you are not kidding. |
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| 13:55.20 | the13th_ | Arafangion: |
| 13:55.23 | stouset | Arafangion: Okay? That doesn't mean other programs will run, though. |
| 13:55.26 | the13th_ | > yes - it has |
| 13:55.36 | stouset | kamaraju: That is not Debian documentation. |
| 13:55.38 | the13th_ | this was the first time I ever used apt-pinning |
| 13:55.50 | stouset | secher: Sorry =\ |
| 13:55.55 | Mjelva | i'm trying to install xorg-x11. i'm running 2.6. i've tried installing it using "apt-get install xorg-x11", and i've tried searching for it using "apt-cache search". i can't find it. what am i doing wrong? |
| 13:56.11 | the13th_ | Mjelva: > are you running sid or sarge? |
| 13:56.13 | Mjelva | and yes, i've looked. for the past half hour. |
| 13:56.14 | PerfDave | Mjelva: Which version of Debian are you using? |
| 13:56.16 | Arafangion | stouset, Quite a surprising number of programs run under wine these days. Of course, the classification of "a surprising number" varies somewhat... |
| 13:56.19 | stouset | kamaraju: apt-get install grub and forget about it. |
| 13:56.26 | Mjelva | i think we discovered that i'm running sarge. |
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| 13:56.36 | stouset | Arafangion: And of course, "surprising number" does not necessarily indicate a large number. Just a surprising one. |
| 13:56.38 | PerfDave | Mjelva: xorg isn't in sarge. |
| 13:56.41 | r3v | Mjelva: you running sid, it's xserver-xorg |
| 13:56.42 | kamaraju | stouset: Thanks. |
| 13:56.56 | the13th_ | Mjelva: > then the answer is simple: xorg isnt available for sarge currently |
| 13:57.04 | Arafangion | stouset, Heh, in my case it is a large number, but indeed. |
| 13:57.08 | Mjelva | well, i can't know for sure. is there some command line to find out whether i'm running sarge or not? |
| 13:57.12 | stouset | kamaraju: The Debian way of doing things is generally much easier than reading ultra-generic docs. |
| 13:57.24 | stouset | Mjelva: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:57.32 | Mjelva | thanks. on it. |
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| 13:57.58 | bobw_ | anyone know how i can get my linux box to the net, its behind a proxy |
| 13:58.06 | Mjelva | it returned "3.1". that was all. |
| 13:58.14 | r3v | Mjelva: that is sarge |
| 13:58.20 | PerfDave | Mjelva: Sarge is Debian 3.1 - http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 13:58.30 | tralala | bobw_: define "get my linux box to the net" |
| 13:58.32 | kamaraju | stouset: But that is the standard doc anyone refers to. I could not find anything else for compiling kernels for a newbie. |
| 13:58.42 | Mjelva | ok. what do you recommend running instead of x11? |
| 13:58.52 | Arafangion | kamaraju, Why would you compile a kernel? |
| 13:59.01 | deltron | bobw_: in the console type in export http_proxy="http://user:pass@proxyname:port" |
| 13:59.02 | stouset | So I asked before, and out of mild desperation I'll ask again. Is anyone else having problems on kernel 2.6.12 with USB/SCSI devices? I have hotplug, but when I plug in any USB devices, no modules are loaded. I load the modules manually, and I don't see any USB devices registering. Nothing is in debug.log, kern.log, dmesg (other than the modules saying hi), or daemon.log. |
| 13:59.15 | stouset | kamaraju: There's a very, very good reason for that. |
| 13:59.32 | stouset | kamaraju: There is virtually no reason to compile your own kernel. |
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| 13:59.55 | stouset | kamaraju: You don't compile the rest of your software, do you? What makes a kernel different? |
| 13:59.59 | kamaraju | Arafangion: To get software suspend 2 on my laptop. I need to reboot laptop very often and currently there is swsusp2 in debian kernels. |
| 14:00.26 | bobw_ | tralala, i just need to access apt sources |
| 14:00.27 | Arafangion | kamaraju, Ah, that makes it easy then! Just install said debian kernel. |
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| 14:00.49 | bobw_ | deltron, im trying this now |
| 14:00.59 | kamaraju | what is said debian kernel? |
| 14:01.01 | wiegehts | echo "4" > /proc/acpi/sleep with a default resume partition set in the kernel works great for me |
| 14:01.03 | PerfDave | Mjelva: You're confused. Sarge has an X11 server, XFree86. Xorg is a replacement for XFree86, but there's really nothing wrong with Sarge's X server. |
| 14:01.08 | stouset | Arafangion: I believe he meant that there is no swsusp2 in Debian kernels. |
| 14:01.09 | noux | can someone tell me how to make a full access of a directory |
| 14:01.11 | lars^ | Is it possibel to remove a word from a file and put in another one in the same place from the command line? |
| 14:01.13 | tralala | bobw_: read the manual of the apt config file (man apt, check the related pages) |
| 14:01.15 | Mjelva | oh, ok. |
| 14:01.19 | PerfDave | lars^: Yes |
| 14:01.24 | Arafangion | stouset, That's the exact opposite of what he said. |
| 14:01.25 | Mjelva | so..."apt-get install xfree86"? |
| 14:01.28 | stouset | kamaraju: Either way, if you absolutely must compile a Debian kernel, then do it the Debian way. |
| 14:01.34 | noux | petemc, I can't go to my /mnt/ntfs directory ... 'no enough rights' ... how can I solve it ? |
| 14:01.35 | r3v | lars^: yeah |
| 14:01.35 | lars^ | PerfDave: without echoing it to another file? |
| 14:01.36 | PerfDave | Mjelva: No, that's not the package name. |
| 14:01.36 | the13th_ | damn - anyone here used make-jpkg |
| 14:01.39 | the13th_ | ? |
| 14:01.43 | PerfDave | lars^: Yes, use sed |
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| 14:01.45 | stouset | Arafangion: It was pretty obvious due to the grammar of the sentence that he was missing a word =P |
| 14:01.47 | petemc | noux: did you use umask=022? |
| 14:01.52 | lars^ | r3v: can you please tell me how? |
| 14:01.52 | antgel | the13th_: some people |
| 14:01.57 | Mjelva | ok. instead of asking what the package name is, how do i find out? figure i'll learn more from that. |
| 14:02.02 | noux | petemc, ... no :/ wanted to try without :/ sorry ..... |
| 14:02.03 | PerfDave | Mjelva: apt-cache search xfree86 |
| 14:02.07 | PerfDave | Mjelva: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:02.09 | tralala | bobw_: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://cpdev2:8080"; |
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| 14:02.10 | the13th_ | it allways tells me, that no suitable plugin has been found |
| 14:02.12 | Mjelva | thanks! |
| 14:02.12 | Arafangion | stouset, Not obvious to me :) |
| 14:02.17 | stouset | kamaraju: http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 14:02.18 | r3v | lars^: I'd use 'sed' |
| 14:02.28 | noux | petemc, or tell me how to unmount |
| 14:02.34 | the13th_ | tried suns 1.4 and 1.5 both re and sdk |
| 14:02.37 | the13th_ | no luck |
| 14:02.53 | lars^ | r3v: do you know how ?, im looking at the man pages to figure it out how. But i can find a out where. |
| 14:02.54 | Arafangion | the13th_, You also have to make a symlink to your plugins directory. |
| 14:02.55 | bobw_ | deltron, i am not sure what the user and pass is, i guess i can try anonymous |
| 14:03.08 | iannickb | has anybody installed mt-daapd package succesfully? |
| 14:03.10 | the13th_ | this is wherE? ;) |
| 14:03.11 | kamaraju | stouset: You are correct. Currently there is no swsusp2 in Debian kernels. I missed 'no' in my previous sentences. |
| 14:03.13 | stouset | kamaraju: That way, you will have to do the absolute minimum required to compile a kernel. It will be packaged, and you can dpkg -i it and dpkg --purge it at will. |
| 14:03.14 | Arafangion | the13th_, I can't remember the exact details. |
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| 14:03.29 | the13th_ | because the manpage doesn't tell me anything like this |
| 14:03.46 | the13th_ | just that i need to get a re/sdk and make-jpg <foo> |
| 14:03.49 | the13th_ | +k |
| 14:03.53 | Arafangion | the13th_, For java? That's because it's not a java issue, it's a mozilla issue. |
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| 14:04.11 | r3v | lars^: cat oldFile | sed -e s/old/new/ > newFile |
| 14:04.12 | the13th_ | naaa - the make-jpkg doesn't run |
| 14:04.12 | stouset | kamaraju: Also, it is highly recommended that you use the kernel-source packages in the Debian archive, which provide Debianized versions of the kernel. |
| 14:04.37 | Mjelva | dave - think i got it. got the one named xserver-xfree86. hope that wasn't a fuckup. |
| 14:04.39 | Arafangion | stouset, What sort of modifications do the "demianized" versions have? |
| 14:04.39 | lars^ | r3v: as i told PerfDave i want so it dont need to echo the new thing into a new file, it should be in the same file. |
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| 14:04.58 | noux | petemc, please tell me :( |
| 14:04.59 | the13th_ | i don't want to use it in firefox but to run a java-app (hibiscus to be exact) |
| 14:05.02 | Vincent25 | hey all |
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| 14:05.22 | Arafangion | the13th_, Can't you run "java <app>"? |
| 14:05.37 | kamaraju | stouset: Yes, I will be using debian kernel-source packages. But http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html does not tell how to patch the kernel. I think I need to add some options to make-kpkg for doing that. Is there any documentation which clearly explains how to patch the kernel? |
| 14:05.44 | wiegehts | anyone know the repository source to get msttcorefonts? |
| 14:05.47 | stouset | kamaraju: Long story short, apt-get install kernel-package libncurses5-dev kernel-source-<version>-<arch>; cd /usr/src/kernel-source-<version>-<arch>; // make whatever changes you need to enable swsusp2; make-kpkg -rev Custom.N kernel_image; |
| 14:05.47 | r3v | lars^: you can't just move old over new file when done? |
| 14:05.50 | PerfDave | r3v: man sed |
| 14:05.53 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 14:05.54 | the13th_ | with free-java-package-thingie-stuff it just crashes |
| 14:05.55 | PerfDave | lars^: man sed |
| 14:06.00 | r3v | PerfDave: what? |
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| 14:06.08 | Vincent25 | e |
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| 14:06.20 | r3v | PerfDave: that was right syntax, why should I man it? |
| 14:06.24 | PerfDave | r3v: sed can edit files in-place |
| 14:06.35 | Arafangion | the13th_, Yes, likely because of the incomplete javax. package, but you mentioned that it doesn't work with sun java, and that is NOT the free-java-package. |
| 14:06.37 | PerfDave | Vincent25: That's not a very meaningful question. |
| 14:06.44 | antgel | !tell Vincent25 about ask |
| 14:07.01 | toresbe | grr, damnit. Why does "javax" contain the phrase "vax" |
| 14:07.03 | Vincent25 | dpkg pms are blocked. pls tell me here |
| 14:07.03 | Arafangion | the13th_, You might need to provide the full path for java, to specify which one you're calling, though. |
| 14:07.03 | r3v | PerfDave: tell lars^ that, i don't like overwritting things. I perfer to leave a backup for typos |
| 14:07.03 | dpkg | ...but pms is already something else... |
| 14:07.07 | stouset | kamaraju: I believe all you will need to do is enable it in the config. |
| 14:07.11 | Arafangion | toresbe, What? |
| 14:07.11 | PerfDave | r3v: *shrug* I did tell lars^ that |
| 14:07.17 | r3v | PerfDave: ok |
| 14:07.21 | PerfDave | Vincent25: Don't block PMs then. |
| 14:07.25 | toresbe | Arafangion: It's just that I have "VAX" on highlight |
| 14:07.27 | antgel | !ask |
| 14:07.27 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask a question, or ask if people use something. Your question is being answered by a volunteer; make it easy for volunteers to give you an answer. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 14:07.32 | jayson_I | can anyone tel me what is the lok a like VB6 programming language in linux. |
| 14:07.32 | kamaraju | stouset: Thanks. |
| 14:07.32 | the13th_ | naaah - the software wont run with free-java - and I want to use suns java - but for this I would like to create the .deb package by using make-jpkg |
| 14:07.38 | stouset | kamaraju: grep CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND /boot/config-2.6.12-1-686 |
| 14:07.38 | stouset | # CONFIG_SOFTWARE_SUSPEND is not set |
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| 14:07.40 | Arafangion | toresbe, Why the heck do you have "VAX" on highlight :) |
| 14:07.42 | stouset | So just set it to y. |
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| 14:07.59 | ticker | well, the problem i had before with debian mysql was that the /etc/mysql/my.cnf file that was installed by the package was junk |
| 14:07.59 | antgel | jayson_I: don't be silly. :) |
| 14:08.00 | the13th_ | the manpage states, that I just need to get the file, and then start make-jpkg <filename> |
| 14:08.02 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Hmm, try VB.NET |
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| 14:08.08 | r3v | jayson_I: vb6? you kidding? |
| 14:08.15 | the13th_ | PerfDave: > I need to use suns java |
| 14:08.15 | antgel | PerfDave: i had to use it to run sync4j on tomcat |
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| 14:08.18 | the13th_ | not i WANT ;) |
| 14:08.21 | toresbe | Arafangion: Because I have a dream that some day, someone might go "Ah, damnit, where am I going to put this VAX I have here in Oslo, Norway... :(" |
| 14:08.24 | r3v | jayson_I: try mono or something like that I guess |
| 14:08.24 | PerfDave | the13th_: That's better ;) |
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| 14:08.35 | Arafangion | toresbe, Heh, perhaps that's a good idea... |
| 14:08.38 | ticker | option after option were unrecognized so i just ix nay'd it altogether and sql started right up |
| 14:08.47 | noux | can someone could tell me how to UNMOUNt a partition already mounted plz ?? |
| 14:08.51 | ticker | i don't know if that's a bug in the package or what |
| 14:08.52 | toresbe | Arafangion: heh. |
| 14:08.55 | the13th_ | just like I need to use windows to play some games |
| 14:08.57 | Maulkin | noux: unmount |
| 14:08.59 | kamaraju | stouset: Do I need to add --added-patches=suspend2 option to the make-kpkg command so that the patch will be applied? |
| 14:09.06 | Arafangion | toresbe, Of course, it'd help me if I actually *applied* for one... |
| 14:09.06 | stew | noux: umount /dev/foo |
| 14:09.16 | bobw_ | tralala, whats that: Acquire::http::Proxy "http://cpdev2:8080"; |
| 14:09.21 | toresbe | Arafangion: same here, actually :) |
| 14:09.28 | noux | Maulkin, erf I sux I tried it :/ |
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| 14:09.39 | Maulkin | noux: have you read the man page? |
| 14:09.43 | PerfDave | the13th_: Nobody needs to play games, it won't kill you if you don't :) |
| 14:09.51 | noux | Maulkin, which one ? :/ |
| 14:09.52 | r3v | noux: make sure you're not in the dir, and no other tty's or anything are in the dir, or any programs running from the dir, then umount it |
| 14:09.55 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Why do you like VB6, anyway? |
| 14:09.55 | Maulkin | noux: man unmount |
| 14:09.58 | jayson_I | i saw that before but i forgot the name of that new programming language in visual programming in linux |
| 14:10.05 | noux | Maulkin, it's "umount" without n |
| 14:10.07 | antgel | the13th_: get a gamecube |
| 14:10.14 | jayson_I | it look's like VB invironment and the code |
| 14:10.17 | Maulkin | noux: ahh, that's it |
| 14:10.18 | noux | Maulkin, I just needed the name's command :) |
| 14:10.20 | jayson_I | it look's like VB Environment and the code |
| 14:10.20 | Ahm | just a simple question, how do I check the size of a dir in linux? |
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| 14:10.27 | PerfDave | Ahm: du |
| 14:10.28 | antgel | Ahm: man du |
| 14:10.32 | Ahm | du? |
| 14:10.34 | Ahm | oh cool |
| 14:10.36 | Ahm | gonna try now |
| 14:10.38 | noux | r3v, I'm sure about it .. thank you :) |
| 14:10.38 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Hmm, there are none afaik. Borland had kylix once... |
| 14:10.40 | xerophyte | how do i move from grub to lilo i wanna see if i can install lilo .. i have install 1) installed lilo 2) create /etc/lilo.conf 3) then i ran lilo -v -v 4) lilo then i reboot i still get grub ... does anybody know why |
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| 14:10.50 | Ahm | cool it works thanks :) |
| 14:10.55 | jayson_I | i dont like VB6 that's y i'm looking for an alternative |
| 14:10.58 | the13th_ | antgel: > as I prefer strategy games this isn't an option |
| 14:10.59 | Arafangion | jayson_I, They suck, though. Glade is quite good, though (Not speaking from experience) |
| 14:11.12 | Arafangion | jayson_I, But that's a gui designer, does not really do much code. |
| 14:11.22 | PerfDave | xerophyte: Why do you want to move from grub to lilo? |
| 14:11.22 | jayson_I | it's opensource project |
| 14:11.33 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Is that a statement? |
| 14:11.40 | Pogopuschel- | Hi, I'm trying to enable Wake on LAN on my NIC (it's interconnected with the mainboard via WOL cable), but when I send the magic packets nothing happens :/ "ethtool eth0" says "no data available". |
| 14:11.51 | stouset | kamaraju: It's not a patch. |
| 14:11.59 | stouset | kamaraju: You're just turning on the feature. |
| 14:12.08 | jayson_I | nop |
| 14:12.11 | jayson_I | sory |
| 14:12.23 | jayson_I | i realy forgot it the name |
| 14:12.23 | Arafangion | Pogopuschel-, Enable it in your bios. |
| 14:12.27 | stouset | kamaraju: However, I would note that there's probably a reason it's disabled by default (this usually indicates brokennage). |
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| 14:12.35 | Pogopuschel- | Arafangion: it is |
| 14:12.39 | Arafangion | Pogopuschel-, POssibly also enable it in the running kernel, if required :( |
| 14:12.51 | Pogopuschel- | Arafangion: how? :/ |
| 14:12.57 | Arafangion | Pogopuschel-, Actually why would it - the computer is _off_! |
| 14:13.05 | jayson_I | my plan is to join there project co'z it's realy amazing it has a power like VS.net |
| 14:13.15 | kamaraju | stouset: I think I need to install kernel-patch-suspend2 (http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kernel-patch-suspend2&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all) |
| 14:13.26 | Maulkin | Arafangion: Is it OFF, or suspended? |
| 14:13.32 | Arafangion | jayson_I, VB is the worst language ever. |
| 14:13.33 | antgel | jayson_I: what does this have to do with debian? |
| 14:13.35 | Pogopuschel- | Arafangion: LEDs are lit |
| 14:13.49 | tchino | how is the name of the newsreader programm on the prompt |
| 14:13.55 | Pogopuschel- | so it hould work.. |
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| 14:13.59 | xerophyte | PerfDave, true just testing stuff |
| 14:14.00 | petemc | tchino: slrn? |
| 14:14.07 | Maulkin | Arafangion: VB isn't that bad. Compared to Z :) |
| 14:14.10 | r3v | Arafangion: I agree... any basic should not exist anymore |
| 14:14.10 | tchino | petemc: thanks |
| 14:14.16 | Pogopuschel- | I think WOL just isn't enabled |
| 14:14.23 | Arafangion | Maulkin, Everything's good compared to INTERCAL |
| 14:14.23 | wiegehts | kamaraju, have you a default resume partition already installed? and have you tried echo "4" >/proc/acpi/sleep if so? |
| 14:14.25 | Ungy | VB what channel am I in? |
| 14:14.26 | antgel | tchino: apt-cache search newsreader |
| 14:14.32 | Maulkin | Arafangion: heh. HQ9+ forever! |
| 14:14.35 | xerophyte | PerfDave, i got it working thx |
| 14:14.49 | jayson_I | so it can help in debian developing a software |
| 14:15.11 | Arafangion | jayson_I, So, what exactly do you like about VB? The language? THe ability to construct gui programs quickly? The web servlets? |
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| 14:15.21 | jayson_I | to make it more easier rather than traditional programming |
| 14:15.28 | antgel | tchino: apt-cache search usenet. can't anyone search for anything? |
| 14:15.33 | kamaraju | wiegehts: No I have not. |
| 14:15.41 | Arafangion | jayson_I, I find traditional programming much easier than any of MS's offerings. |
| 14:16.01 | jayson_I | i'm not interested in vb, my interest is to create a program like vb |
| 14:16.09 | Ungy | jayson_I, what the hell are you talking about debian developers use the code that the original codebass is written in |
| 14:16.11 | jayson_I | i'm not interested in vb, my interest is to create a program like vb fo |
| 14:16.15 | Arafangion | jayson_I, MS's offerings are non-standard, and as such they try to make an artificial standard 'abstraction' on top of that, which yes, is easier than the non-standard junk. |
| 14:16.31 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Ok, what _is_ vb? |
| 14:16.54 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Because when I think "Visual Basic", I'm thinking of a particular dialect of Basic, for windows. |
| 14:16.59 | antgel | please can we take this to #fuckwit? |
| 14:17.02 | jayson_I | i'm trying only asking the name of the programming language like VB in linux based |
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| 14:17.27 | jayson_I | i'm not trying to discus that fucking VB |
| 14:17.37 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Before such a request is possible, one must ascertain _WHAT_ makes a language similar to VB. |
| 14:17.47 | KudoZero | I'm having problems with apt error 255 and dpkg error code (1) |
| 14:17.52 | KudoZero | thanks in advance. |
| 14:18.02 | PerfDave | jayson_I: What are you talking about? There are many programming languages in VB. Some of them have nice GUI libraries. Some of them have utilities to ease GUI creation. |
| 14:18.04 | abrotman | jayson_I: you want a GUI creation tool like VS6 etc ? |
| 14:18.06 | Maulkin | KudoZero: That's nice. What problems? |
| 14:18.07 | Arafangion | KudoZero, Yup, apt exited with error. |
| 14:18.13 | jayson_I | co'z the environment and the coding language is more similarin VB |
| 14:18.21 | KudoZero | I've got 2 broken packages..!!! |
| 14:18.22 | antgel | KudoZero: you'll be lucky. paste the error log somewhere |
| 14:18.22 | jayson_I | and the IDE more similar |
| 14:18.32 | KudoZero | ok I'll do it. |
| 14:18.35 | kamaraju | wiegehts: Where can I find what echo "4" >/proc/acpi/sleep will do? I tried `man acpi` and I did not find anything there. |
| 14:18.38 | antgel | KudoZero: you using unstable? |
| 14:18.38 | Maulkin | KudoZero: Not here though |
| 14:18.48 | KudoZero | 2seconds.! Lo |
| 14:18.51 | KudoZero | testing antgel |
| 14:18.56 | r3v | jayson_I: you want something like qt designer? |
| 14:18.59 | abrotman | jayson_I: there is the Mono project .. which uses the .NET framework stuffs .. there is kdevelop .. and gazpacho |
| 14:19.05 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Well on that basis, Glade + some IDE. |
| 14:19.05 | abrotman | !gazpacho |
| 14:19.06 | dpkg | [gazpacho] A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/, or see <glade> |
| 14:19.08 | jf3 | jayson_I: Have you looked at PIDA? http://pida.berlios.de/index.php/Main_Page |
| 14:19.28 | Arafangion | jayson_I, A fairly decent IDE for java is Eclipse, though. |
| 14:19.37 | Arafangion | jayson_I, Me, I prefer bash + vim + python |
| 14:19.44 | Ungy | jayson_I, you just want a standard like windows has so people all work with the same code base? |
| 14:19.45 | KudoZero | http://pastebin.com/340771 |
| 14:19.49 | KudoZero | http://pastebin.com/340771 |
| 14:20.03 | jayson_I | ok tnx i will try to search it |
| 14:20.06 | Ungy | why is everyone double posting man |
| 14:20.07 | wiegehts | kamaraju, if you have a default resume partition set in your kernel (set to swap), it will hibernate the computer, writing to swap |
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| 14:20.11 | KudoZero | I don't know wether change to unstable... antgel |
| 14:20.14 | abrotman | !gazpacho =~ s#biz/.#biz/# |
| 14:20.14 | noux | Maulkin, I've this message error when I try to re-mount the partition : mount: /dev/hdd1 already mounted or /mnt/tempo busy |
| 14:20.14 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'biz/.', abrotman |
| 14:20.14 | noux | mount: according to mtab, /mnt/ntfs is already mounted on /mnt/tempo |
| 14:20.21 | abrotman | !gazpacho =~ s#biz/,#biz/# |
| 14:20.21 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
| 14:20.22 | Arafangion | KudoZero, DONT |
| 14:20.28 | abrotman | !gazpacho |
| 14:20.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, gazpacho is A fresh new GUI builder for the GTK+ toolkit designed to be ultra easy to use: http://gazpacho.sicem.biz/ or see <glade> |
| 14:20.31 | antgel | KudoZero: do i look spanish? |
| 14:20.38 | antgel | !tell KudoZero about es |
| 14:20.41 | abrotman | antgel: from here .. i just can't tell |
| 14:20.46 | KudoZero | yes... antgel |
| 14:20.51 | antgel | si ;) |
| 14:20.54 | LSorensen | noux: try umount first. |
| 14:20.57 | KudoZero | Are yuou? antgel |
| 14:21.00 | LSorensen | noux: maybe even try it a few times. |
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| 14:21.06 | noux | LSorense, that's what I did |
| 14:21.06 | antgel | hola |
| 14:21.08 | LSorensen | noux: and make sure NOTHING is using the mount point |
| 14:21.12 | wiegehts | kamaraju, assuming you also have acpi |
| 14:21.14 | LSorensen | noux: lsof can be handy |
| 14:21.22 | noux | LSorense, I didn't do anything on it |
| 14:21.33 | Arafangion | jayson_I, imho, people don't often realise that a nice fancy IDE doens't really help that much. |
| 14:21.36 | noux | LSorense, then I suppose there is nothing using the mount point |
| 14:21.36 | LSorensen | noux: /proc/mounts is a more accurate list of what is actually mounted |
| 14:21.46 | kamaraju | wiegehts: I have acpi. But I do not have the default resume partition |
| 14:21.50 | KudoZero | Maulkin, have you visit the pastebin? |
| 14:22.03 | Maulkin | KudoZero: Yes, but I'm English. |
| 14:22.07 | KudoZero | antgel, Maulkin , have you visit the pastebin? |
| 14:22.10 | Maulkin | !es |
| 14:22.10 | KudoZero | and? |
| 14:22.10 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:22.16 | KudoZero | what's the problem? |
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| 14:22.20 | noux | LSorense, the command is "mount /proc/mounts" ? |
| 14:22.23 | KudoZero | I'm using english. |
| 14:22.30 | antgel | KudoZero: the problem is it's in fucking spanish |
| 14:22.35 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:22.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:22.38 | Maulkin | That pastebin isn't English, I can't understand it |
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| 14:22.48 | luv | ln -s apt-get apt-sux |
| 14:22.56 | luv | .. |
| 14:22.58 | antgel | KudoZero: three of us have now told you to ask in #debian-es, suggest you have a go |
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| 14:22.59 | infinito | anyone know how to pass options to modules on startup?? |
| 14:23.03 | LSorensen | noux: cat /proc/mounts |
| 14:23.06 | abrotman | KudoZero: if you can get someone in the spanish channel to readi it .. and tell you the problem .. maybe we can help |
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| 14:23.11 | greycat | infinito: just put them after the module's name in /etc/modules |
| 14:23.16 | LSorensen | noux: if it isn't listed there, it isn't mounted |
| 14:23.26 | LSorensen | noux: never mind what /etc/mtab says |
| 14:23.28 | greycat | abrotman: he can't just use "LANG=C my command"? |
| 14:23.30 | Maulkin | luv: that's nice for you |
| 14:23.31 | KudoZero | Broken packages? |
| 14:23.36 | infinito | greycat: i'm doing that, but the module refuses to read the options |
| 14:23.39 | abrotman | greycat: he could .. i'm not sure that would help him :) |
| 14:23.41 | KudoZero | just 2 words in spanish. |
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| 14:23.44 | abrotman | greycat: it would help us |
| 14:23.46 | noux | LSorense, it's listed in :/ |
| 14:23.47 | KudoZero | error in spanish is ·error |
| 14:23.55 | KudoZero | process is "proceso" |
| 14:23.55 | noux | LSorense, then the umount command didn't work :/ |
| 14:23.58 | KudoZero | it's the same!!!!!!!!!11 |
| 14:24.01 | KudoZero | quite similar! |
| 14:24.03 | Arafangion | What website is this? |
| 14:24.18 | Maulkin | # |
| 14:24.18 | Maulkin | dpkg: aviso - script de `pre-removal' antiguo devolvió código de error 255 |
| 14:24.18 | Maulkin | # |
| 14:24.19 | Maulkin | dpkg - probando el script del nuevo paquete en su lugar... |
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| 14:24.25 | LSorensen | noux: well then mount is right, something is using it |
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| 14:24.31 | LSorensen | noux: lsof |grep mountpoint |
| 14:24.35 | greycat | abrotman: like Tcl! |
| 14:24.49 | KudoZero | Maulkin, could you help me? |
| 14:24.53 | tchino | antgel: it cannot connect the newsserver |
| 14:25.00 | Maulkin | KudoZero: Really, try #debian-es |
| 14:25.04 | KudoZero | do you find anything solvable there? |
| 14:25.04 | abrotman | greycat: this is far worse |
| 14:25.07 | noux | LSorense, what does it do ? o.O |
| 14:25.11 | greycat | Maulkin: the pre-rm script will be in /var/lib/dpkg/info. have fun fixing it. |
| 14:25.12 | KudoZero | ok i'll do it. |
| 14:25.14 | LSorensen | abrotman: is it like java? |
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| 14:25.20 | KudoZero | noone talks there |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | greycat: RPN logic/math .. no loop structures(unless you count goto) |
| 14:25.22 | LSorensen | noux: lsof lists open files |
| 14:25.30 | LSorensen | noux: and which process has them open |
| 14:25.31 | abrotman | LSorensen: ^^ |
| 14:25.42 | noux | LSorense, there is no list |
| 14:25.45 | LSorensen | abrotman: oh fun |
| 14:25.49 | LSorensen | noux: hmm, weird |
| 14:26.00 | Maulkin | greycat: yeah, it's KudoZero's error though :) |
| 14:26.02 | abrotman | LSorensen: you have a weird definition of fun :) |
| 14:26.10 | noux | LSorense, it maybe something stupid, I'm noob :D |
| 14:26.16 | greycat | Maulkin: what did he do, remove the /etc/init.d/foobar script and then the pre-rm dies? |
| 14:26.18 | Arafangion | Spanish->English translation: http://world.altavista.com/babelfish/tr |
| 14:26.24 | greycat | Arafangion: wrong answer. |
| 14:26.26 | LSorensen | noux: well even a shell currently cd'd to it would keep it busy |
| 14:26.37 | bobw_ | how can i reconfigure my sources.list file, i need different http repositories |
| 14:26.39 | LSorensen | noux: could also be a bug in the ntfs driver making it think it is busy when it isn't |
| 14:26.40 | Maulkin | greycat: http://pastebin.com/340771 |
| 14:26.43 | greycat | Arafangion: all they have to do is type "LANG=C dpkg --configure -a" or whatever. |
| 14:26.47 | LSorensen | bobw_: edit it or use apt-setrup |
| 14:26.53 | noux | LSorense, a restart may resolve it ? |
| 14:26.58 | Maulkin | greycat: That's all the info we've been given. |
| 14:27.04 | greycat | esound. GNOME shit. |
| 14:27.09 | greycat | no surprise esd would break. |
| 14:27.12 | LSorensen | noux: quite likely |
| 14:27.13 | bobw_ | LSorensen, thanks man!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:27.19 | PerfDave | bobw_: apt-setup |
| 14:27.30 | Maulkin | greycat: Yup. *dong* ESD breaks *dong* film at 11 |
| 14:27.58 | greycat | the real error appears to be this: 13. error: empty control file at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 621. |
| 14:28.00 | antgel | tchino: why don't you try and get it working? |
| 14:28.26 | noux | LSorense, umount -f doesn't do anything more :/ |
| 14:28.29 | Maulkin | KudoZero: Are you getting this? |
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| 14:28.58 | abrotman | greycat: LSorensen: http://pastebin.ca/20420 |
| 14:29.08 | KudoZero | Maulkin, what? |
| 14:29.11 | KudoZero | what do you mean? |
| 14:29.23 | Maulkin | KudoZero: the real error appears to be this: 13. error: empty control file at /usr/sbin/install-docs line 621. |
| 14:29.25 | greycat | abrotman: who, like, barfed on the print-out? |
| 14:29.33 | Maulkin | KudoZero: the pre-rm script will be in /var/lib/dpkg/info. |
| 14:29.33 | abrotman | greycat: that's the language :) |
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| 14:29.43 | tchino | antgel: why ican't reache the server under rrot but not under the local user |
| 14:29.49 | stew | abrotman: comments are not allowed in this lanugauge? :) |
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| 14:30.03 | Maulkin | KudoZero: Have you checked bugs.debian.org? |
| 14:30.12 | antgel | tchino: why are you even trying to read news as root. |
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| 14:30.16 | abrotman | stew: they start with a ";" .. none in that snippet |
| 14:30.21 | KudoZero | no Maulkin |
| 14:30.26 | antgel | !btssmite KudoZero |
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| 14:30.36 | noux | LSorense, umount -l works :) |
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| 14:30.42 | antgel | luckily he's running testing |
| 14:30.51 | abrotman | stew: now imagine trying to debug 5000 lines of that :) |
| 14:30.56 | KudoZero | I go Maulkin , antgel (what's that bloody "btssmite"? |
| 14:30.57 | stew | Error: variable name is too descriptive |
| 14:31.06 | greycat | abrotman: imagine quitting your job :) |
| 14:31.12 | stew | heh |
| 14:31.13 | antgel | KudoZero: use the force |
| 14:31.21 | abrotman | greycat: it's what i do when i have no admin stuff to do |
| 14:31.22 | stouset | KudoZero: Which side? |
| 14:31.23 | greycat | KudoZero: BTS = see /topic |
| 14:31.27 | stouset | antgel: Which side? |
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| 14:31.31 | greycat | KudoZero: smite = hit, strike |
| 14:31.32 | tchino | antgel: i tried it, because under the local user i get the message t cannot initialize the server |
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| 14:31.34 | noux | LSorense, youpiii ! :) |
| 14:31.39 | noux | LSorense, thanks a lot :) |
| 14:31.40 | stew | abrotman: hire a cracker to give you some admin stuff to do |
| 14:31.51 | antgel | tchino: why don't you rtfm for your newsreader? |
| 14:32.12 | abrotman | stew: you act like i haven't considered intentionally having something barf :) |
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| 14:32.23 | tchino | antgel: i don't understand |
| 14:32.52 | abrotman | stew: "I don't know what's wrong with the webserver ... I know I installed Debian, but it keeps saying NTLDR not found" |
| 14:33.11 | KudoZero | I trough antgel but it doesn't work |
| 14:33.13 | KudoZero | antgel, |
| 14:33.20 | antgel | tchino: read the manual for your newsreader |
| 14:33.49 | antgel | does anyone here speak english? |
| 14:33.54 | antgel | oops, no polls allowed :) |
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| 14:34.13 | petemc | antgel: or crap jokes :) |
| 14:34.15 | abrotman | antgel: i'm fluent in engrish |
| 14:34.38 | antgel | abrotman: it's fruent |
| 14:35.12 | abrotman | !singlishsmite antgel |
| 14:35.14 | dpkg | antgel: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
| 14:35.20 | abrotman | that was a poor one |
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| 14:35.57 | abrotman | !singlishsmite antgel |
| 14:35.58 | dpkg | antgel: Still say some more! Whack you then you know! |
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| 14:39.40 | lord_rob | Hi ! Is there a way to capture a real video stream ? |
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| 14:40.38 | AdrianLP | Can Linux partition sizes be changed on the fly [safely]? If not, what program would one suggest to alter them without data loss? I'd like to make / smaller, and increse swap by about 200mb |
| 14:40.53 | antgel | !tell adrianlp about parted |
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| 14:41.03 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: They can be changed on the fly if you installed with LVM, I believe. The best option is to boot from a rescue disk and use parted or qtparted |
| 14:41.14 | lilldude | any samba tips? |
| 14:41.20 | abrotman | #samba |
| 14:41.22 | abrotman | !win me |
| 14:41.23 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
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| 14:41.57 | PerfDave | lilldude: apt-get install samba-doc |
| 14:41.59 | Ungy | abrotman 2 contestents? |
| 14:42.04 | Maulkin | lilldude: loads at http://tinyurl.com/94h93 |
| 14:42.07 | petemc | AdrianLP: you can use a file as swap |
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| 14:42.14 | abrotman | Ungy: hopefully |
| 14:42.15 | jp- | anyone used the LSI MegaRAID controller before and know how to enable the alarm on failure? i've installed the software (which has no documentation that i've found so far) for linux, they had specific stuff for debian, anyway, i've got that going, popped a drive out and popped it back in, the software is working it seems cause it looks like it's rebuilding the array right now, problem is, there is no kind of alert on a failure. |
| 14:42.23 | abrotman | greycat: you didn't see the Lion King? |
| 14:42.28 | greycat | that's simba tips |
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| 14:42.55 | secher_ | tasty with a mushroom cream sauce. |
| 14:42.59 | antgel | jp-: you live by the sword, you die by the sword |
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| 14:43.11 | lilldude | apt-got sama how do make each pc seee each outher |
| 14:43.18 | greycat | lilldude: www.samba.org |
| 14:43.23 | lilldude | ok |
| 14:43.24 | antgel | lilldude: shake the hips in a sexy way |
| 14:43.33 | jp- | what is that supposed to mean? there is no alarm for disk failure on a megaraid controller? |
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| 14:43.48 | greycat | jp-: what did LSI tell you when you called them? |
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| 14:44.01 | lilldude | tryied steak and shrimp in one cd drive |
| 14:44.09 | antgel | jp-: it means that you're using vendor-specific software that we don't know about (unless you're lucky) |
| 14:44.15 | lilldude | tthe outher one starved |
| 14:44.31 | greycat | you can't have your steak and mount it too |
| 14:44.44 | AdrianLP | petemc: When using a file as swap, does that mean I can do away with the swap partition all together? |
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| 14:44.51 | jp- | antgel: ok, i understand that. that's why i asked if anyone had used the megaraid controller. any how. |
| 14:44.55 | jp- | i'll call lsi, that's a good idea. |
| 14:44.58 | greycat | AdrianLP: swapping to a file is less efficient |
| 14:45.05 | AdrianLP | greycat: I see. Ok. |
| 14:45.22 | AdrianLP | greycat: In which case, I'd not want to do away with swap all together. |
| 14:45.25 | antgel | jp-: good luck and perhaps you might think about switching to software raid |
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| 14:45.39 | finn | how much memory have you got AdrianLP ? |
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| 14:45.55 | greycat | probably not enough to build a java .deb |
| 14:46.01 | AdrianLP | finn: Currently, 250mb ram. Swap is only 9x mb though. I'm going to increase it to 250. |
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| 14:46.18 | greycat | *way* not enough to build a java .deb. |
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| 14:46.48 | AdrianLP | greycat: Me? |
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| 14:47.05 | greycat | might be enough to run a production mail server for thousands of users, etc.... just don't try running java. |
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| 14:47.24 | verwilst | hellow dear folks! |
| 14:47.30 | antgel | Adrian: you mean 256, yeah? |
| 14:47.36 | verwilst | i'm trying to use 1 package from testing, and the rest from sarge |
| 14:47.39 | AdrianLP | greycat: Was that a comment towards me? The Java bit? |
| 14:47.41 | verwilst | but i can't seem to get it right :) |
| 14:47.44 | verwilst | hold on |
| 14:47.52 | greycat | AdrianLP: yes, as well as a general undirected rant. |
| 14:47.54 | AdrianLP | antgel: What did I say? <scrolls back> Yes, 256 sorry. |
| 14:48.12 | AdrianLP | greycat: Actually I did make a Java deb from Sun's Java as to install it. |
| 14:48.31 | greycat | AdrianLP: with only 350 MB of total virtual memory? was it 1.5 or 1.4? did it work? |
| 14:48.39 | thingfish | I have an ntfs partition I can mount fine, but it's not accessible to users. I can make it usable to *a* user by adding uid=<user#> to the partition's line in fstab. How can I make this partition usable to all users? |
| 14:48.48 | greycat | (and was it i386?) |
| 14:48.49 | AdrianLP | greycat: I have Java installed. You're suggesting I need more RAM when using it? I run win32 with Java and its only has 256mb ram, I don't notice any real problems with it though. |
| 14:48.52 | PerfDave | thingfish: umask |
| 14:49.06 | lord_rob | "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lX11". Do anyone know what I'd need to install to solve this dependancy problem ? |
| 14:49.18 | greycat | AdrianLP: building a 1.5 Sun JDK java .deb file with make-jpkg will fail on i386 unless the process can allocate approximately 750 MB of virtual memory |
| 14:49.24 | PerfDave | lord_rob: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 14:49.25 | AdrianLP | greycat: To be honest I forget if it was 1.4 or 1.5. I'll have to check. Yes, it worked. I took a Java course so I needed a the DEV stuff installed as to do my homework. |
| 14:49.28 | greycat | lord_rob: xlibs-dev |
| 14:49.32 | thingfish | PerfDave: ok, thanks - I'll look that up. |
| 14:49.54 | Tuttle_ | I have the following sanitization iptables rule -p TCP --tcp-flags ! SYN,RST,ACK SYN -m state --state NEW -j DROP but it catches many many packets, i have them logged. So many (even from LAN) that I started to he curious whether the rule is right... |
| 14:50.02 | lord_rob | hmm xlibs-dev is already the newest version |
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| 14:50.22 | greycat | lord_rob: then your linker command is probably fucked. missing -L/usr/X11R6/lib I'll bet. |
| 14:50.32 | AdrianLP | greycat: Its still sat in my Downloads directory: sun-j2re1.5_1.5.0+update01_i386.deb |
| 14:50.47 | lord_rob | PerfDave: found a real video stream grabber (maybe) called snatch (on svn.xiph.org). Trying to compile it |
| 14:51.06 | greycat | is it possible that the java command was able to allocate the 750 MB it needs when he only had 350 MB of total RAM + swap? |
| 14:51.17 | AdrianLP | greycat: For that matter, I also made: sun-j2re1.5debian_0.18_all.deb |
| 14:51.46 | chaica | do-you know if it is possibe to put a wifi pcmcia card in a ibook 12" under linux sold without wifi card |
| 14:51.55 | AdrianLP | greycat: <shrugs> All I know is I downloaded the sources packages from sun.com, and followed the instructions on some website I found on how to install it under Debian. |
| 14:52.08 | nkuttler | chaica: why not? |
| 14:52.15 | greycat | !blame Sun |
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| 14:52.41 | fidget | I don't think you can actually chaica |
| 14:52.55 | chaica | nkuttler: I don't know, I'm asking, cause the apple wifi pcmcia card is not supported so , I'm lookin' for a solution |
| 14:52.56 | PerfDave | lord_rob: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 14:52.57 | thingfish | PerfDave: does this look correct: /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 ntfs ro,user,umask=022 0 0? |
| 14:53.07 | verwilst | ok, sorry for the delay :p |
| 14:53.09 | PerfDave | thingfish: I have no idea. Suck it and see. |
| 14:53.09 | verwilst | http://nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=46811 |
| 14:53.14 | verwilst | this is my preferences file |
| 14:53.14 | thingfish | hehe ok |
| 14:53.22 | nkuttler | fidget: what are you talking about? |
| 14:53.24 | verwilst | i want cacti to come from testing, all the rest from sarge |
| 14:53.32 | thingfish | well, I mean I know the rest of the line is fine, just wasn't sure where to put the umask part |
| 14:53.33 | verwilst | but apt-get upgrade still wants to update loads of packages :$ |
| 14:53.33 | nkuttler | chaica: if there is a driver it will work |
| 14:53.37 | verwilst | what's wrong with this? :$ |
| 14:53.47 | PerfDave | verwilst: No, you really don't want to mix binary packages between branches. You actually want to backport. |
| 14:53.49 | fidget | talking about powerbooks? iBooks? |
| 14:53.50 | lord_rob | greycat: thanks. 'missing -L/usr/X11R6/lib I'll bet' you were right |
| 14:53.54 | PerfDave | verwilst: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:54.06 | lord_rob | greycat: the path was not correct in the makefile |
| 14:54.06 | greycat | I guess 700000 kB of virtual memory isn't enough for freenet running on java 1.5 |
| 14:54.14 | verwilst | PerfDave: hm.. well.. it's a php site, so there's no real harm i guess.. |
| 14:54.20 | verwilst | but ok thanks :) |
| 14:54.21 | PerfDave | greycat: Freenet requires Java? |
| 14:54.26 | greycat | PerfDave: yes. |
| 14:54.30 | greycat | Ian Clarke is a Sun whore. |
| 14:54.35 | thingfish | got it, PerfDave, thanks again. |
| 14:54.37 | PerfDave | greycat: Freenet requires Sun Java? |
| 14:54.51 | PerfDave | Well, fuck running a Freenet node then. |
| 14:54.52 | greycat | PerfDave: it currently uses features that Kaffe lacks |
| 14:54.52 | AdrianLP | I'm installing parted now. I suppose I'll need to find some way to stuff it on to some form of bootable Linux disc? I can boot from CD ROM, but I have no floppy disk in this machine. |
| 14:54.55 | giojotoca | hello |
| 14:54.59 | chaica | nkuttler: the pcmcia card driver is not the problem, it is a physical problem, I don't know if there is a slot available |
| 14:55.08 | nevyn | isn't nio in kaffe yet? |
| 14:55.10 | nkuttler | chaica: ah, that's something different |
| 14:55.12 | giojotoca | how to configure nicotine |
| 14:55.13 | nevyn | or is it something else? |
| 14:55.15 | fidget | nkuttler there isn't |
| 14:55.22 | greycat | this is fucking ludicrous |
| 14:55.23 | noux | how can I know what's my kernel's version ? |
| 14:55.24 | noux | plz |
| 14:55.28 | Phated | uname -r |
| 14:55.30 | PerfDave | noux: uname -a |
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| 14:55.35 | noux | oki PerfDave ty |
| 14:55.39 | fidget | nkuttler not on the iBooks anyways I don't think |
| 14:55.41 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Installing parted on your hard disk is not very clever if you want to use it to repartition your hard disk. Get a System Rescue CD or Knoppix CD and use that. |
| 14:55.41 | nkuttler | chaica: there may be a supported usb nic |
| 14:55.58 | fidget | chaica www.yellowdoglinux.com |
| 14:56.03 | greycat | !version |
| 14:56.04 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 14:56.05 | nkuttler | fidget: yeah, right... never used one |
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| 14:56.29 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I thought maybe running parted would help in the creation of a usable boot disk. I figured I'd install it to read the docs it gives. |
| 14:56.46 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: parted is used for editing partitions, not creating boot disks. |
| 14:56.58 | noux | then I type "apt-get install kernel-2.4.27-2-386" for example ? |
| 14:56.59 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Really, just get SysRescCD or Knoppix or tomsrtbt or something. |
| 14:57.13 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I know, I just thought it would be reasonable and make sense if it had a tool to help that means. |
| 14:57.16 | PerfDave | noux: Why would you type that? |
| 14:57.28 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I don't see why you think that parted would help you here. |
| 14:57.29 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I'll try to get a SysRescCD, or Knoppix. |
| 14:57.29 | fidget | chaica someone also told me that you can swtich the Airport Extream cards with the reg Airport cards which work under linux |
| 14:57.52 | noux | PerfDave, cause I would like to install my audio driver and I've an error telling me that there is one of my kernel's package missing |
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| 14:58.06 | PerfDave | noux: Whoa, back up. |
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| 14:58.15 | noux | PerfDave, checking for kernel version... The file /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h does not exist. |
| 14:58.15 | noux | Please, install the package with full kernel sources for your distribution |
| 14:58.17 | tarzeau | how would i run this in a makefile: sed s,'${KERN}${REV}',$(KERN)$(REV),g debian/control.in > debian/control |
| 14:58.18 | PerfDave | noux: What audio driver are you trying to install, what error are you getting? |
| 14:58.19 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Why I woudl think that? Cause I'm a windows users, and often in Windows you find binaries provide supporting functionality. Yes, I know this isn't windows, but I have to base assumptions on something, and you have to assume if you don't know. |
| 14:58.38 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: No, if you don't know, you ask ;) |
| 14:58.40 | greycat | tarzeau: $$ becomes $ |
| 14:58.56 | noux | PerfDave, I try to install sound blaster live driver |
| 14:59.00 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Binaries provide supporting functionality, true. But having a Quake 3 .exe on your hard drive isn't going to help you run SQL Server :) |
| 14:59.06 | greycat | noux: uh, it's been built into linux for years. |
| 14:59.24 | PerfDave | noux: Which Sound Blaster? It should be supported in Debian by default. |
| 14:59.32 | noux | PerfDave, live 5.1 |
| 14:59.39 | noux | PerfDave, I went on it http://www.alsa-project.org/ |
| 14:59.51 | PerfDave | noux: OK, you're doing everything completely wrong. |
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| 14:59.52 | greycat | noux: the emu10k1 module in sarge should work fine. |
| 14:59.56 | foo | Starting PCMCIA services: cardmgr[3210]: watching 2 sockets |
| 14:59.57 | miguelzinho | I need to rebuild maildrop with mysql suport, i want to do it the debian way, i did: apt-get source maildrop |
| 14:59.58 | noux | PerfDave, geeh :D |
| 14:59.59 | greycat | noux: you don't need OR WANT alsa with that chpiset. |
| 15:00.04 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Quake 3 and SQL are unrelated. Is parted even useful without using it while booting? |
| 15:00.11 | noux | greycat, I want sound %) |
| 15:00.21 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: parted and creating boot disks are unrelated too. |
| 15:00.22 | noux | PerfDave, tell me then ? :/ |
| 15:00.23 | lord_rob | noux: alsamixer |
| 15:00.33 | noux | lord_rob, ? |
| 15:00.34 | miguelzinho | it gives the courier suite, i only need to build maildrop, how i do this? |
| 15:00.39 | PerfDave | noux: Debian's 2.6 kernels support SB Live 5.1. Debian's 2.4 kernels may also do so, but if they don't then you want to use Debian's ALSA packages. |
| 15:00.39 | greycat | noux: just fucking put emu10k1 in /etc/modules and run "modprobe emu10k1" AND GET THE HELL RID OF ALSA! |
| 15:00.41 | streuner_ | noux: what does "lspci -v | grep -i audio" say? |
| 15:00.42 | greycat | you will be happy. |
| 15:00.51 | streuner_ | hm |
| 15:00.54 | noux | aaaaarg |
| 15:00.58 | noux | not everybody %) |
| 15:01.01 | greycat | PerfDave: why the hell would he want alsa? |
| 15:01.25 | PerfDave | greycat: Because it Just Works with an SB Live 5.1? |
| 15:01.26 | noux | 0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) |
| 15:01.30 | greycat | emu10k1 is the PERFECT chipset for OSS under linux. Multiple simultaneous device opens on /dev/dsp straight out of the box, no muss, no fuss, no fucking pmitros arrogance. |
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| 15:01.37 | tarzeau | greycat: thank you |
| 15:01.59 | greycat | oh, but wait... ALSA is L33t!!!!11!! |
| 15:02.03 | greycat | it's Teh FUTUER!!! |
| 15:02.15 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: One is dependant on the other though. That is why I thought it might provide a tool, or make use of said tool, easier. I might be wrong. You asked why I thought as I did, and now I've told you. Arguing doesn't really change the past. |
| 15:02.19 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: parted is a tool for editing partitions. You can't edit partitions when they're mounted. If you install parted on your hard disk, you'll have to have the hard disk mounted to run parted, which means you can't use parted to edit the partitions on your hard disk. |
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| 15:02.27 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: No, one is not dependent on the other. |
| 15:02.28 | noux | streuner, 0000:00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] Sound Controller (rev a0) |
| 15:02.28 | noux | 0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) |
| 15:02.37 | greycat | noux: what kernel are you running? |
| 15:02.38 | tarzeau | can alsa lock up the computer? |
| 15:02.41 | streuner_ | noux: ok, just use OSS |
| 15:02.42 | noux | streuner, but I want to use the SB live ! not the integrated |
| 15:02.51 | LunarCrisis | How can I run a program in a new display with a given resolution? |
| 15:02.55 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: How is parted not dependant on using a boot device? |
| 15:02.58 | noux | streuner, ok I can use the integrated it works nice %) |
| 15:03.00 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: If you download a SysRescueCD or similar, it should have parted on the CD, which is what you want. |
| 15:03.04 | noux | streuner, I'm just stupid :D |
| 15:03.17 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: You're making no sense. parted has nothing to do with downloading a boot CD. |
| 15:03.17 | tarzeau | LunarCrisis: what program is that? |
| 15:03.21 | idnar | tarzeau: any driver can lock up the computer |
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| 15:03.30 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: That is fine. Can SysRescueCD be burned from Windows? I don't have a burner in this Debian machine. |
| 15:03.35 | tarzeau | idnar: does alsa lock up computers, do people know? |
| 15:03.37 | cahoot | noux: disable the onboard in bios if it gets into the way |
| 15:03.49 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I believe that it's just an ISO, which you should be able to burn with Windows-based tools like Nero. |
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| 15:03.57 | idnar | tarzeau: well, I've never had ALSA lock up my computer :P |
| 15:04.01 | LunarCrisis | tarzeau, I'm trying to run starcraft, and it works except that it doesn't run full screen, which is a problem since you have to mouse to the end of the window to scroll around |
| 15:04.06 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: This is my logic: You can't use parted with the FS mounted. Hence its most practical to use it from boot media. That was my connection. |
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| 15:04.23 | streuner_ | tarzeau: iam running ALSA without no reason since ages, but i havent any problems... |
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| 15:04.46 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Ok, I'm off to find a copy of SysRescueCD. Would it be common to find a copy that does malicious things? Do I have to be careful where I download from? |
| 15:04.47 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Yes, hence downloading parted to your hard disk is not useful :) |
| 15:04.49 | LunarCrisis | So I'd like to open a display at the right resolution so that the desktop is the same size as the program |
| 15:04.50 | streuner_ | s/havent/hadn't |
| 15:04.56 | tarzeau | then it's probably not alsa locking up my computer |
| 15:05.03 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I don't know about common, but it's not impossible. |
| 15:05.06 | r3v | s/havent/hadn't |
| 15:05.06 | r3v | 09:42 < tarzeau> then it's probably not alsa locking up my computer |
| 15:05.06 | r3v | 09:42 < PerfDave> AdrianLP: I don't know about common, but it's not impossible. |
| 15:05.10 | greycat | LunarCrisis: I doubt you can do that without having root authority to overwrite the X11 config file |
| 15:05.18 | r3v | whoops... sorry... stupid putty |
| 15:05.19 | astronut | i don't want to know why xpdf-japenese got installed upgrading cups |
| 15:05.23 | greycat | LunarCrisis: can't you just use the xrandr ting? |
| 15:05.24 | greycat | thing* |
| 15:05.31 | tarzeau | !qotd |
| 15:05.31 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". try qotd00 |
| 15:05.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 15:05.35 | dpkg | qotd103 is probably <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 15:05.44 | LunarCrisis | greycat, haven't heard of that, I'll check it out |
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| 15:07.22 | foo | I recently install a kernel with make menuconfig; MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg --revision=linux.2.6.11.1 kernel_image --initrd; dpkg -i ../kernel-image-2.6.11.1_linux.2.6.11.1_i386.deb .. does this build and install the modules? |
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| 15:07.33 | LunarCrisis | greycat, nice, this works =P |
| 15:07.36 | LunarCrisis | thanks |
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| 15:07.47 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: It's the same as downloading anything from the 'net, it's all about how paranoid you are. Nothing is 100% guaranteed. |
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| 15:07.50 | astronut | foo: the built in modules, not any extra |
| 15:07.58 | antgel | foo: modules that are part of the kernel source, yes |
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| 15:08.17 | foo | antgel: Hmm, I've having problems with the pcmcia |
| 15:08.23 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: True, some sites are more reputable then others though, in my mind anyway. |
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| 15:09.05 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: sysrescuecd.org looks as good as any though :) |
| 15:09.12 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: "reputable"? |
| 15:09.28 | Mjelva | anyone know how to reconfigure XServer-XFree86? when i try to execute it, it terminates stating that it can't find a monitor. i might have fucked up during installation. how to fix? |
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| 15:09.36 | PerfDave | Mjelva: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 15:09.36 | foo | antgel and astronut: http://pastebin.com/340805 - if it built the modules, shouldn't I have pcmcia-cs ? |
| 15:09.39 | roler | i have downloaded a few .png files for splash loaders on my gnome2/metacity setup. But i'm not sure where to put them so they work... Can anyone help? |
| 15:09.40 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about drxx |
| 15:09.42 | secher | Heyas all. I'm back. Does the xorg server support 8 bpp overlays? I can't seem to find a definitive reference. |
| 15:09.55 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Really, the best option is a cryptographically-signed MD5 hash of the ISO with a strong trust chain, but even that's not infalliable :) |
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| 15:10.09 | antgel | foo: do you even need to built your own kernel? |
| 15:10.11 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: For exmaple if I wanted a copy of Sendmail, I'd sooner go to the maintainer's homepage, then some page who provides a binary along with porn ads and cracks/warez on the same site. |
| 15:10.17 | foo | antgel: Yes |
| 15:10.25 | Mjelva | thank you very much, antgel. is this something i need to download, or is it somewhere in the system already? |
| 15:10.26 | astronut | foo: did you set it as a module? |
| 15:10.29 | astronut | or as yes? |
| 15:10.35 | astronut | oh, duh |
| 15:10.38 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: And yet there's still no guarantee that it'll be safe. |
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| 15:10.52 | antgel | Mjelva: why not (shock horror) try it? |
| 15:10.57 | foo | # |
| 15:10.57 | foo | laptop:/usr/src/linux-2.6.11.1# grep -i pcmcia /usr/src/linux-2.6.11.1/.config | grep "^CONF" |
| 15:11.00 | foo | # |
| 15:11.03 | foo | CONFIG_PCMCIA=m |
| 15:11.04 | foo | jerr, my bad.. I have no idea why it pasted like that |
| 15:11.07 | foo | # |
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| 15:11.09 | foo | CONFIG_PCMCIA_PROBE=y |
| 15:11.12 | nkuttler | foo: don't spam |
| 15:11.15 | foo | astronut: ^^ Yes - as on pastebin |
| 15:11.19 | nkuttler | !tell foo about paste |
| 15:11.20 | foo | nkuttler: Apologies |
| 15:11.22 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: True, but I feel its less likely to be malicious. |
| 15:11.27 | antgel | foo: you already pasted it there. wtf? |
| 15:11.41 | roler | hmm |
| 15:11.42 | foo | antgel: astronut didn't see it .. |
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| 15:11.50 | antgel | foo: i don't give a fuck |
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| 15:11.51 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There's no reason why it should be. |
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| 15:12.12 | foo | antgel: haha. |
| 15:12.18 | antgel | foo: what version you upgrading from? |
| 15:12.25 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Because I know the maintainer won't intentionally put up malicious code, the other I would expect to try such. |
| 15:12.28 | foo | antgel: 2.4.something |
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| 15:13.00 | antgel | foo: perhaps the module name has changed. find /lib/modules/<whatever> |grep pcmcia |
| 15:13.04 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: But what makes you think that the maintainer's got anything to do with it? |
| 15:13.40 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Why do I think the maintainer and his own website has any connection? |
| 15:13.48 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Yes |
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| 15:14.02 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There's no guarantee that what you download from the maintainer's website is what he put up there |
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| 15:14.12 | selutha | hi i am trying to install debian on an old hp pavilion 6530. at the install it cant mount the cd-rom i am assuming that this is because it isnt loading drivers for the ide system. THe mother board uses intell 810 chipset any one know where i can take this form here in effor to get debian installed on it? |
| 15:14.13 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Possibly because in many cases he wrote the site, maybe even owns the server. |
| 15:14.17 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There's no guarantee that what you see as the maintainer's own website is his own site. |
| 15:14.25 | selutha | also dsm will install on this system |
| 15:14.26 | Mjelva | antgel - ok, now i have. i can't find any app named drxx, i can't find a package named it, and i can't find anything on google. |
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| 15:14.37 | abrotman | !drxx antgel |
| 15:14.38 | dpkg | antgel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:14.41 | abrotman | !drxx Mjelva |
| 15:14.41 | dpkg | Mjelva: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:14.46 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I didn't say anything about guarantee, I just said its more likely to be malicious then some warez site distributing the "Same" thing. |
| 15:14.47 | antgel | Mjelva: stop fucking around and _read_ the factoid |
| 15:15.01 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Less likely sorry, more likely on a warez site. |
| 15:15.03 | abrotman | selutha: you could try floppies |
| 15:15.07 | PerfDave | Mjelva: did you /msg dpkg xserver-xfree86 |
| 15:15.24 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: *shrug* It's up to you what decision you make on security I guess, you just seem to be fairly uninformed. |
| 15:15.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: /msg dpkg what? |
| 15:15.34 | Mjelva | well, i did now. but it returned nothing. |
| 15:15.46 | PerfDave | Mjelva: did you /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 15:16.02 | selutha | abrotman i dont think i have any floppies but wouldnt just solve the cdrom problem but what about the hd? |
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| 15:16.18 | abrotman | selutha: what about it? |
| 15:16.37 | selutha | abrotman, wouldnt i have a problem when it tries to mount the hd to copy files to it |
| 15:17.02 | abrotman | selutha: i thought it was a CD problem ? |
| 15:17.07 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: How often has Debian.org (or mirrors) provided malicious code (in place of what should be there), compared to seedy sites who just happen to provide code? I would think that the official sites have a FAR higher chance of providing unaltered source. |
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| 15:18.14 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There have been several highly-publicised instances of project servers being compromised and offering dodgy downloads. |
| 15:18.28 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: You really need to do some research into this. |
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| 15:19.03 | selutha | abrotman, aslo i would like to know why it cant to try to improve my understanding and trouble shooting ability in linux |
| 15:19.11 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Sure it happens, I think I've seen it in the debian.org news. But for every one time it happens there, it likely happens in 50 other places 50 other times. |
| 15:19.21 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: It does? Do you have any evidence to support that? |
| 15:19.27 | Mjelva | PerfDave - i found the log file as it says in the factoid. |
| 15:19.47 | CAiRO | when my system has some load, the UI of firefox is noticably slower than those of other gtk2 programs? ie it takes a noticable amout of time to open (sub)menus and that's not due to the menu delay |
| 15:20.11 | CAiRO | what can i do about it? is there some browser with a native gtk interface that supports mozilla extensions? |
| 15:20.20 | abrotman | selutha: if you go the terminal ... ctrl-alt-f2 .. can you check the boot log for the CD? |
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| 15:20.37 | CAiRO | i mean firefox extensions |
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| 15:20.52 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Aside from seeing the net, observing various seedy sites before that I've observed have one binary in place of another? I don't think I need it. Besides, this is a personal machine. I don't know how seriously you take security, but I think if I was that worried about it, I would be too paranoid to even connect to the internet. |
| 15:21.12 | snail | CAiRO: the mozilla system has an extra layer of interpretation, which may be adding to the slowness |
| 15:21.12 | antgel | CAiRO: no |
| 15:21.18 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Do what you want, but you're doing nothing here other than demonstrating your own cluelessness. |
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| 15:21.38 | eka | hi all |
| 15:21.47 | eka | how dow i enable SSL in postfix? |
| 15:22.09 | antgel | eka: read the manual? |
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| 15:22.17 | selutha | abrotman, in dmesg i see Isofs: unable to read i-node block how can i scroll up if i cant do dmesg | less ? |
| 15:22.21 | michaeln | I recently installed the 2.6 kernel on sarge, my mouse was working last night, but today when I booted up my computer my mouse no longer works. It's a usb mouse. I get an error "Cannot open device /dev/input/mice" whenever I try and get into xwindows. Anyone know what I should do? |
| 15:22.28 | bibe | eka: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 15:22.37 | antgel | selutha: sounds like corruption of the iso |
| 15:22.43 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I download install using apt-get all the time. Do you really suggest I should read every line of source for everything I upgrade just because there may or may not be malicious code? |
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| 15:22.57 | abrotman | selutha: ctrl-pgup maybe ? |
| 15:23.06 | antgel | !tell michaeln about mouse 2.6 |
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| 15:23.10 | abrotman | err shift-pgup |
| 15:23.17 | selutha | abrotman, just beeps at me |
| 15:23.28 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Don't put words into my mouth, and don't bother with strawman arguments. It's not big or clever. |
| 15:23.33 | abrotman | selutha: and shift-pgup ? |
| 15:23.44 | snail | AdrianLP: yes and the source to the compiler you use to compile it, and the compiler you use to compile the compiler, and ... |
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| 15:23.48 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: You're saying you can't trust sites. I trust my apt-get mirrors though. |
| 15:23.48 | selutha | antgel i will redl the iso while abrotman is helping just incase |
| 15:23.58 | selutha | abrotman, Yup thats it |
| 15:24.02 | AdrianLP | snail: That does seem to be PerfDave's argument. |
| 15:24.03 | antgel | selutha: do an md5sum on the iso |
| 15:24.14 | eka | bibe: thx looking |
| 15:24.20 | snail | AdrianLP: that may be your understanding of it, but it's not mine... |
| 15:24.21 | abrotman | selutha: what is the machine type again? |
| 15:24.42 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: No, I'm not saying that. |
| 15:25.08 | selutha | abrotman, is is an HP pavilion 6530 |
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| 15:25.41 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Ok, can you say what you are saying? I said that a reputable software is more likely to be malicious when distributed by an unofficial source then by the maintainer's site, and you argued that. My example I think was Sendmail. |
| 15:25.48 | abrotman | selutha: and you did try the 2.4 and 2.6 kernels .. right ? |
| 15:25.49 | Mjelva | i got the reconfigure tool working. thanks a lot. |
| 15:26.05 | Mjelva | however, i till don't know what monitor options i should have set: |
| 15:26.12 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: And you provided no evidence to back that up, displayed total ignorance of checksums and signatures, and generally made a complete ass of yourself. |
| 15:26.21 | selutha | abrotman, dmesg looks good all the way until it says "Iso 9660 extensions: microsoft jolet lv3; hdc:command error: status=0x51 { driveready seekcomplete error}; |
| 15:26.38 | antgel | selutha: drive or iso or media problem |
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| 15:26.47 | Mjelva | this is a laptop, and as far as i know the graphics are powered by the motherboard. what option would you suppose i should choose (tga etc)? |
| 15:27.05 | streuner_ | PerfDave: arguing doesn't need personal statements... ;) |
| 15:27.05 | antgel | Mjelva: depends on your screen |
| 15:27.08 | selutha | abrotman, no i just dled the newest debian net install and figured it that 2.6 would support it. is there a time when you need to use 2.4 instead of 2.6? |
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| 15:27.14 | cyrille_ | Hi , |
| 15:27.16 | abrotman | selutha: that usually means either the CD is bum or the drive is dying ... |
| 15:27.27 | abrotman | selutha: it's worth a try to attempt both 2.4 and 2.6 |
| 15:27.35 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: You didn't respond to my question. You said that you can trust even the maintainer's site. Then when I said I trust my apt-get mirrors, and don't read the source, you said that was a strawman argument. |
| 15:27.37 | Mjelva | antgel - is there some command to check, or should i dig around on the manufacturer's website? |
| 15:27.44 | cyrille_ | I need to replace a string beginning with a " using sed, how can I do that? |
| 15:27.45 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: That's because it was :) |
| 15:27.52 | antgel | Mjelva: what specific question are you trying to answer? |
| 15:27.53 | bibe | eka: that howto enables much more features, but tls is included |
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| 15:27.55 | abrotman | selutha: how old is the laptop ? |
| 15:27.59 | selutha | abrotman ok i have a few spare cdroms so i will change it and see if that helps. and try a diffrent iso |
| 15:28.04 | cyrille_ | sed -e s/\"\/astellia_iu/\"\/astellia_iu_1.1/g environnement_liens.php > environnement_liens2.php |
| 15:28.12 | cyrille_ | that doesn't work... |
| 15:28.12 | PerfDave | streuner_: It's not a personal attack, it's a statement of fact :) |
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| 15:28.17 | eka | bibe: yes...loking at looks great thx |
| 15:28.19 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Can you explain to me how it was? If you can't trust the maintainer's site, then you certainly can't trust the mirrors. |
| 15:28.32 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I didn't say you can't trust the maintainer's site. |
| 15:28.38 | selutha | abrotman, isnt laptop but i think that computer is 3 years old |
| 15:28.54 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: You told me it was no less likely to have malicious code then a seedy site. |
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| 15:29.00 | Mjelva | antgel - what driver i should use for my monitor in XFree86. savage, tga, vga et cetera |
| 15:29.00 | bibe | eka: no problem. i used 90% of that tutorial in many of the servers i administer |
| 15:29.03 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Yes, I did. |
| 15:29.04 | abrotman | selutha: hrm .. ok .. if all else fails .. use floppies .. i've done a large number of sucessful installs with floppies |
| 15:29.21 | antgel | Mjelva: depends on the graphics card in your laptop. hint: lspci |
| 15:29.24 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: So if a seedy site has malicious code 100% of the time, what does that say about the maintainer's site... |
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| 15:29.46 | selutha | abrotman, that will be intresting never did a floppy install. Will do. |
| 15:29.51 | wideout87 | i have a question.. i have installed some programs for linux on my computer but i dont know how to install them or run them. please help |
| 15:30.00 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I'd like you to back up your assertion that "a seedy site has malicious code 100% of the time" |
| 15:30.08 | abrotman | selutha: usually fairly painless |
| 15:30.09 | selutha | abrotman, antgel thanks for the help |
| 15:30.15 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: It wasn't an assertion, quit putting words in my mouth. |
| 15:30.16 | streuner_ | wideout87: does those apps have names? |
| 15:30.30 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: What was it if it wasn't an assertion? |
| 15:30.35 | PerfDave | wideout87: Which programs? |
| 15:30.38 | antgel | wideout87: that's too much information to go on. ;) |
| 15:31.11 | Mjelva | antgel - thanks. which of the returned values do you need in order to help me? |
| 15:31.24 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Are you suggesting that no sites have malicious code 100% of the time? That would be foolish, and you know it. |
| 15:31.31 | nvz | I am literally tired, of waiting for the UPS man |
| 15:31.39 | nvz | or woman |
| 15:31.40 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I have no idea what you're talking about now. |
| 15:31.52 | antgel | look for the graphics card. most likely the line with VGA compatible controller |
| 15:32.18 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: My argument is simple. If you're just downloading stuff over HTTP, then there's no reason to trust any one site more than any other. |
| 15:32.27 | nvz | don't ground ship cross-country, and dont loose your tracking number |
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| 15:32.34 | nvz | is all I can say |
| 15:32.40 | wideout87 | well, i have bitornado and i dont know how to get it to run |
| 15:32.40 | Mjelva | antgel - IntelCorp, Mobile Graphics Controller (rev 03) |
| 15:32.49 | antgel | nvz: they delivering pizza? ;) |
| 15:32.50 | PerfDave | wideout87: How did you install it? |
| 15:32.54 | nvz | heh |
| 15:32.55 | streuner_ | wideout87: ok, next question |
| 15:32.59 | nvz | antgel: I |
| 15:33.04 | wideout87 | from their website |
| 15:33.12 | streuner_ | heh |
| 15:33.15 | nvz | antgel: I'd have food poising again waiting for pizza from Pheonix |
| 15:33.18 | antgel | Mjelva: ok, now find out which X driver you need to install to support that. |
| 15:33.20 | PerfDave | wideout87: Are you using Debian? |
| 15:33.23 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Anyway, seeing you choose to divert the questions to get away from the point, I will bring us back. I use apt-get to get binaries from mirrors. Statement, fact. I've never bothtered with either the checksum to verify the source unlatered, or read the source through (that would be a waste of time). Statement, fact. Yet, in 6 years, I've never had anything major become of either issue. Never any data loss, etc. |
| 15:33.26 | nvz | antgel: would be bad by time it got here |
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| 15:33.33 | wideout87 | yeah im using debian |
| 15:33.41 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: That's nice for you. |
| 15:34.03 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There are people in Cambodia who live in minefields. Some of them haven't had their legs blown off in six years. That doesn't mean it's a good idea. |
| 15:34.25 | PerfDave | wideout87: Why are you downloading things from the website? bittornado is already pre-packaged for Debian, making it easy to install and upgrade. |
| 15:34.27 | ifireball | anyone else here got his KDE menu emptied ufter apt-get upgrading today? |
| 15:34.30 | Zimmie | Ok. I'm back again with the same question as before. Here comes the story (they can't answer at debian-oo) I'm using Debian Sarge (kernel 2.6.x), with KDE and OpenOffice 1.1.3. I've set the locale to Swedish using "dpkg-reconfigure locales" (sv_SE) and downloaded the language package (not the spellchecker!) for OpenOffice. Everything in the computer is in Swedish, except for Ooo! I've changed language in the preferences of Ooo to Swedish, b |
| 15:34.30 | Zimmie | it doesn't help. Help please! |
| 15:34.33 | PerfDave | antgel: It's genius, of course ;) |
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| 15:34.44 | antgel | !btssmite ifireball |
| 15:34.51 | mogorman_ | hi |
| 15:34.54 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I think 6 years has shown that the probability of what you claim is so low, that for non-commercial purposes (just regular home users with non-secure data), its a non-issue. |
| 15:35.03 | wideout87 | how do i get to it then? |
| 15:35.16 | antgel | wideout87: read the debian manual. |
| 15:35.19 | mogorman_ | i try to compile the debian 2.6 kernel and get the following makfile problem |
| 15:35.26 | nvz | all I know is I placed an order that shipped out of Pheonix sometime Monday and UPS time calculator estimated it should be here 9 minutes ago, but they only gaurentee it will be here before next monday.. :P PIMA cause I been up all morning waiting on it since I didnt bother telling them to leave it if I didnt feel like waking up |
| 15:35.27 | mogorman_ | scripts/kconfig/lkc.h:63: error: previous declaration of 'current_menu' was here |
| 15:35.29 | wideout87 | ok thanks for the helo |
| 15:35.31 | wideout87 | help* |
| 15:35.38 | PerfDave | wideout87: With an apt program like apt-get, aptitude or synaptic. If you don't know this, I suggest you read some Debian documentation. |
| 15:35.46 | antgel | mogorman_: what command you using to make? |
| 15:35.47 | PerfDave | mogorman_: Why are you compiling it by hand? |
| 15:36.01 | xoz | what's a good pdf to html converter? |
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| 15:36.05 | mogorman_ | dont like kpkg |
| 15:36.07 | mogorman_ | and make |
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| 15:36.11 | antgel | !tell xoz about search |
| 15:36.32 | antgel | mogorman_: what? |
| 15:36.47 | mogorman_ | i use make |
| 15:36.53 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: And my experience is that the probability of downloading malicious code from sites other than the maintainer's is so low, that for non-commercial purposes, it's a non-issue. Hence the methods are equivalent. |
| 15:37.01 | nvz | I'm going to go stare at the road until I see the Brown Van. If people seen the black dog, anything can happen right? |
| 15:37.02 | antgel | mogorman_: suggest you do it the debian way if you want support here |
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| 15:37.13 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: You're also completely ignoring the fact that downloading code from the maintainer's website and installing code through apt-get are very different. |
| 15:37.26 | PerfDave | mogorman_: Why are you not just using a Debian-provided kernel-image? |
| 15:37.38 | mogorman_ | fine ill try it that way, but I just was looking to see why the debian kernel source wouldnt just compile |
| 15:37.43 | mogorman_ | I am building a module |
| 15:37.48 | PerfDave | mogorman_: What module? |
| 15:37.54 | mogorman_ | I have to link it against debian kernel source I am running |
| 15:37.57 | mogorman_ | zaptel |
| 15:38.18 | PerfDave | mogorman_: You don't need to compile a kernel for this. Use a Debian-provided kernel-image, and module-assistant. |
| 15:38.34 | antgel | seeing as neither of you seem to have any experience of problems from downloading anything, ever, why are you even arguing about it? |
| 15:38.46 | Mjelva | antgel - the recommendations i've found on google were for the i915 driver. that's not on the list. there are both i128, i740 and i810 available. will those suffice or am i looking in the wrong place? |
| 15:39.22 | antgel | Mjelva: that's what you get for having new hardware. i would try i810, and if that doesn't work, you can probably get by with vesa if you don't need 3d |
| 15:39.27 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Ah, I think this is the miscommunication. You're saying that most non-maintainer's sites will be non-malicious. I agree. That wasn't my concern though. My concern with downloading System Rescue CD-ROM is that I would find that one malicious site, and download from it unawares. |
| 15:39.36 | Mjelva | thanks |
| 15:40.01 | selutha | abrotman, it works amazing... the problem i was having was that sometimes the cdrom was working and sometimes it wasnt. Thanks i know what to look for next time. :) |
| 15:40.08 | Lee__ | is it possible to use /etc/networking/interfaces to bring an interface up but not assign an IP address? It complains and doesn't bring it up if I only say 'iface eth0 inet static' with no address option. |
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| 15:40.13 | abrotman | selutha: how did you fix it? |
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| 15:40.32 | AciD | hi |
| 15:40.36 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: And the probability of you doing so is negligible, on a par with some other factor causing you to download a malicious image from what you think is the maintainer's site. |
| 15:40.40 | Mjelva | antgel - oh god. now it wants to know the card's bus identifier. what the hoof? |
| 15:40.45 | abrotman | Mjelva: blank |
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| 15:41.08 | selutha | abrotman, took the case off the cdrom and watched the head catching on the track at the same point, replaced the cdrom with an older drive and it worked perfecty |
| 15:41.18 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I'm not sure why you think so, and would like to see proof. I picked one site at random. It could have been malicious, it could not have been. |
| 15:41.39 | ifireball | where does apt/dpkg keep the log of all recent changes? (I hope there is one...) |
| 15:41.47 | noux | ! ati driver |
| 15:41.51 | noux | !ati driver |
| 15:41.54 | noux | gn |
| 15:41.54 | antgel | ifireball: aptitude has a log. otherwise you're fucked |
| 15:41.55 | abrotman | selutha: the CD drive is messed up ? |
| 15:42.00 | noux | chaica, !ati driver |
| 15:42.03 | noux | oups |
| 15:42.08 | noux | ChanServ, !ati driver |
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| 15:42.12 | noux | grmbl |
| 15:42.19 | antgel | yet another good reason to use aptitude |
| 15:42.26 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: You're the one who has been making assertions and failing to give any proof for them all along. The simple response is that you can always check the hash of a download against the hashes listed on what you think is the maintainer's site, making *any* download from *anywhere* as risky as downloading from what you think is the maintainer's site. |
| 15:42.30 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: ...in the end the one I picked was sysresccd.org. I would suppose this to a reputable site. You would argue that even if it is, I still can't necessarily trust the ISO. But, you know what, I'm using it anyway, and I'll bet you that the ISO works fine :) |
| 15:42.38 | Lee__ | !tell noux about ati |
| 15:42.39 | noux | can someone give me again this website to install 9600SE's driver |
| 15:42.40 | noux | plz ? |
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| 15:42.43 | selutha | abrotman, yes the cd drive is messed up on the track that the head travels on so it was reading the cdrom fine until a point then the head would stick |
| 15:42.51 | abrotman | !tell noux about ati |
| 15:42.52 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: It probably will be fine. That doesn't mean that what you're doing is sensible. |
| 15:42.53 | fantomas | Hi. 'glxinfo' displays "Direct Rendering: No". How to enable it? |
| 15:42.59 | noux | abrotman, okok :) |
| 15:43.04 | abrotman | selutha: fantastic :) |
| 15:43.09 | ifireball | antgel: I thing I did most of the damage this time with synaptic... never gets boring to run unstable... |
| 15:43.10 | PerfDave | fantomas: What graphics card do you have, what X driver are you using for it? |
| 15:43.17 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I use windows 50% of the time, when did "sensible" ever play a part in this? |
| 15:43.34 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I never said you were sensible, in fact I've repeatedly stated the opposite :) |
| 15:43.37 | michaeln | how can I install the nvidia-glx package for a 2.6 kernel? |
| 15:43.40 | antgel | ifireball: it's pretty boring if you keep an eye out for problems before upgrading |
| 15:43.48 | antgel | !tell michaeln about nvidia |
| 15:43.50 | PerfDave | michaeln: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 15:43.55 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: For that matter, I use Debian when I'm far more efficient in Windows. So, once again, sensible plays no part in this. |
| 15:43.55 | selutha | abrotman, now for that simi working cdrom... I always wondered what whould happen if i wired 110 power to the ide channel... |
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| 15:44.07 | abrotman | selutha: sparks :) |
| 15:44.10 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: I never said you were sensible, in fact I've repeatedly stated the opposite :) |
| 15:44.18 | antgel | AdrianLP: hth do you manage to be more efficient in windows? |
| 15:44.25 | selutha | abrotman, SHH!!!! dont ruin the suprise for me! |
| 15:44.30 | abrotman | antgel: it's hard to do vb programming in linux:) |
| 15:44.51 | antgel | abrotman: thank the lord |
| 15:44.58 | fantomas | PerfDave: vga is intergrated, it is CLE266 chipset in VIA EPIA motherboard. |
| 15:45.10 | silverbb | selutha: you'll release the magic smoke that makes it work. |
| 15:45.13 | PerfDave | fantomas: Does that chipset support DRI? |
| 15:45.24 | AdrianLP | antgel: How do I manage? Well, in windows, I plug in a device and it works the first time every time. I plug in my device in Debian, read a site on how to get it to work, which often does work the first time. So I try another site, and another, and spend X many hours reading. I personally call that less efficient. |
| 15:45.27 | fantomas | PerfDave: ok. I need DRI support then, right? :) |
| 15:45.52 | PerfDave | fantomas: Uhm, why? |
| 15:45.54 | Lee__ | AdrianLP: then use Windows and stop complaining. |
| 15:45.57 | antgel | AdrianLP: suggest you stick to windows if you find it more efficient |
| 15:45.59 | AdrianLP | antgel: And when I finally get it to work, it often doesn't work as well as it does in windows (Gimp as opposed to Photoshop, for example). |
| 15:46.10 | AdrianLP | Lee__: I wasn't talking to you, or about you. Sod off. |
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| 15:46.23 | Lee__ | cheers, you were talking in public. |
| 15:46.29 | AdrianLP | antgel: I use both, I like to read, and it looks better on my resume. |
| 15:46.29 | noux | abrotman, do u think that this http://xoomer.virgilio.it/flavio.stanchina/debian/fglrx-installer.html is made for 9600SE ? |
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| 15:46.33 | Zap-W | anyone know of any clamav packages for etch? |
| 15:46.35 | abrotman | !tell noux about u |
| 15:46.38 | Lee__ | btw, what's "sod" mean? say that in the paper yesterday. |
| 15:46.42 | silverbb | Use whatever works for you the best. |
| 15:46.42 | abrotman | noux: sounds reasonable to me .. |
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| 15:46.46 | selutha | silverbb, i dont think i could live my life to old age and say it was complete w/o seeing the forceful removal of "magic smoke" Questions will there be more "magic smoke" if i use 220 dryer hook ups... |
| 15:46.50 | abrotman | Lee__: piss off |
| 15:46.50 | asg | Lee__: {bugger,fuck} off, etc. |
| 15:46.51 | mtnman | !dict sod |
| 15:46.53 | dpkg | Dictionary 'sod' (1 of 6): . Sod \Sod\, n. [Akin to LG. sode, D. zode, OD. sode, soode, OFries. satha, and E. seethe. So named from its sodden state in wet weather. See Seethe.] That stratum of the surface of the soil which is filled with the roots of grass, or any portion of that surface; turf; sward.. |
| 15:46.56 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: That's the exact opposite of my experiences with Windows and Linux. Usually stuff in Debian just plain works for me, and stuff in Windows doesn't, or doesn't work as well, even with the manufacturer's own driver :) |
| 15:46.57 | abrotman | mtnman: oh come on :) |
| 15:47.11 | PerfDave | Lee__: It's short for "sodomy" or "sodomise" or "sodomite", basically. |
| 15:47.14 | noux | abrotman, you mean it's okay ? |
| 15:47.18 | fantomas | PerfDave: as far as I know there is no DRI module for this chip in kernel. I need to apply a patch for this. I just hoped there is some default dri support even without specific driver for this chip.... |
| 15:47.19 | Mjelva | aptgel - i810 didn't work. now i have no idea what to do. |
| 15:47.24 | abrotman | noux: afaik .. yes |
| 15:47.32 | noux | abrotman, (I'm not english ^^) |
| 15:47.32 | Lee__ | ah. excellent. that dude is mighty touchy. I think he should just stick with Windows if it "just works". |
| 15:47.40 | PerfDave | Lee__: Synonymous with "bugger" |
| 15:47.50 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Mike Meyer, a FBSD friend says the same. I'm not sure why. Windows has always been good to me. Maybe I don't have enough money to buy the range of devices you use. |
| 15:47.52 | mtnman | lee__: touchy os for a touchy guy? |
| 15:48.01 | silverbb | selutha, HA! I don't think there'd be more, just more forceful. :-) |
| 15:48.07 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Who says anything about money? |
| 15:48.21 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I for example am stuck with a brother HL-1435 laser printer. This costs less then a nice shiny postfix printer, a LOT less. |
| 15:48.24 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: My main Debian system is an old Pentium 166 I picked up for free :) |
| 15:48.26 | Lee__ | seriously. but more seriously, would y'all know how to bring up an interface at boot without assigning it an IP? |
| 15:48.26 | antgel | Mjelva: as i said before, try vesa. please read the channel properly. you have the memory of a goldfish |
| 15:48.38 | abrotman | !fr |
| 15:48.39 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-france - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-france |
| 15:48.40 | streuner_ | haha |
| 15:48.42 | mtnman | perfdave: i picked up all of my systems for free |
| 15:48.48 | PerfDave | Lee__: IIRC you can use /etc/network/interfaces with a static IP of 0.0.0.0 for that |
| 15:48.50 | selutha | silverbb, well everyone likes a blowout every once in a while so more force it is! |
| 15:48.56 | antgel | AdrianLP: don't you find the UI in windows, and speed and ease of administration, a little gay? |
| 15:48.59 | mtnman | lee__: man interfaces |
| 15:49.03 | Lee__ | PerfDave: cool. I'll give it a try. |
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| 15:49.12 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There are plenty of inexpensive, Linux-supported printers. http://www.linuxprinting.org/ has a list, I believe. |
| 15:49.16 | fantomas | PerfDave: so what exactly affects 'direct rendering:' value in glxinfo output? Presence of dri module for the chip? |
| 15:49.27 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: My last printer was a Lexmark Z11, poor ol winprinter, but its all I could afford. I found drivers that some guy said it would work with in Debian, followed all his instructions carefully, it never did work. |
| 15:49.35 | streuner_ | antgel: you give here people a second chance, keep that in mind... |
| 15:49.59 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There are plenty of inexpensive, Linux-supported printers. The fact that you chose to buy an inexpensive, non-Linux-supported printer is your own damn fault :) |
| 15:50.05 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: My printer was < $200 Canadian (about $155'ish US), it was the cheapest printer in my city. |
| 15:50.07 | antgel | streuner_: referrfing to Mjelva ? |
| 15:50.09 | Lee__ | !tardware |
| 15:50.09 | dpkg | [tardware] the sort of hardware which doesn't have drivers or spec released for it, and consequently doesn't work on any real OS. Notable examples include lexmark printers, winmodems, promise raid cards and cheap digital cameras. Tard if you make 'em, tard if you buy 'em. Ask me about <supported by>. |
| 15:50.10 | Ungy | how can I check the size of all my partitions on a server ? |
| 15:50.15 | streuner_ | antgel: yes |
| 15:50.29 | streuner_ | Ungy: df |
| 15:50.29 | mtnman | ungy: cfdick or fdisk -l |
| 15:50.30 | bibe | Ungy : df |
| 15:50.33 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I purchased what I could afford. There was none cheaper, and the first postfix printer started at nearly twice the price of this one. |
| 15:50.35 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Perhaps you should e-mail Lexmark and ask them to either make Linux drivers or release hardware specs to allow such drivers to be written. |
| 15:50.38 | Ungy | df thanks |
| 15:51.03 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Then your city clearly has a dearth of good printer shops. I suggest you try the Internet, there are lots of computer shops there. |
| 15:51.06 | antgel | streuner_: all day i've been helping him, and it's cool, but he has a tendency to not read things properly which is a little frustrating. |
| 15:51.09 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Heh, I did, what do you think their response was? The point is it was the printer I did have at the time, and none other. Which means I had no other option for printing. |
| 15:51.36 | mtnman | adrianlp: there are always options. you may, however, not be able to see them. |
| 15:51.43 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: I don't buy expensive things on the net. If I had to return it/exchange it for any reason, it would be a hassle. |
| 15:51.46 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Did you tell them that you'd be avoiding Lexmark printers in future because of their lack of Linux support? |
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| 15:51.58 | antgel | AdrianLP: more hassle than not working in linux? |
| 15:51.58 | AdrianLP | mtnman: Not options that would coincide with me well, no. |
| 15:52.00 | streuner_ | antgel: thats not a reason to insult or blame people |
| 15:52.14 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: The point is that you went out of your way to buy a printer that didn't work in Linux, and you're whining about it :) |
| 15:52.22 | mtnman | adrianlp: that is because you have blinders. i use an old hp laserjet i picked up for free. |
| 15:52.35 | antgel | streuner_: true but if he appreciated our help he'd read the channel properly |
| 15:52.35 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Ya, I learned long ago that you can get free stuff from companies by writing the manufacturer and explaining the deficiency. RasterPlus once gave me a free upgrade because of that. |
| 15:52.57 | token | i got a few problems with windows wia wifi connection .... does anyone know an irc channel where i could solve some problems with windows |
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| 15:53.03 | RichiH | if you have a dd dump of a complete hd, how can you mount the hdxn which it contains? |
| 15:53.07 | AdrianLP | mtnman: There are no used printer shops in town, and I had to buy a printer for school, I couldn't afford to wait a year to hope I found something. |
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| 15:53.15 | cahoot | from a users viewpoint AdrianLP has a very valid point |
| 15:53.31 | mtnman | adrianlp: i got mine from an office that was "upgrading" |
| 15:53.31 | jpmcallister | Hi. How can I see the ./configure line used to compile given debian package? |
| 15:53.34 | antgel | token: try #windows on efnet |
| 15:53.36 | Lee__ | token: http://support.microsoft.com |
| 15:53.41 | asg | jpmcallister: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 15:53.43 | token | ok .... thx |
| 15:53.52 | Mjelva | aptgel - rite you are. vesa worked, sorta. i've got a grey screen, and an "x" i can move around. no command line, though. can't really seem to do anything but play with my little "x"... |
| 15:53.54 | PerfDave | cahoot: No, he doesn't. It's very easy to find and acquire Linux-supported hardware. The fact that he couldn't be bothered means he's got no right to whine :) |
| 15:53.55 | Ungy | what is number code for drwxr-sr-x I really just need to know how to get the s |
| 15:54.02 | antgel | jpmcallister: download the source package and look in the debian/rules file |
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| 15:54.10 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: out of my way? The PC shop in town with the lowest prices is, http://www.canadacomputers.com/, and its not far from me. They sell everything competitors will sell, and they'll undercut advertised prices (from local stores). |
| 15:54.17 | asg | Ungy: 2755 (see Permissions in the wiki) |
| 15:54.17 | cahoot | PerfDave: unless you alread have a bunch of devices and turn to linux |
| 15:54.38 | AdrianLP | mtnman: I don't know of any offices that are upgrading. I'm glad that you did and got one reasonably. |
| 15:54.39 | RichiH | AdrianLP: now you only need two of those stores.. ;) |
| 15:54.41 | Ungy | asg thanks awesome |
| 15:54.50 | AdrianLP | RichiH: Heh, ya <smirks> |
| 15:54.52 | mtnman | adrianlp: are you trying to gain info on debian, or are you just here to complain? |
| 15:54.52 | PerfDave | cahoot: In which case, you're monstrously unlucky if any of it doesn't work with Linux. It's not like 95% of hardware doesn't work just fine with Linux. |
| 15:55.33 | antgel | Mjelva: you need to install a window manager |
| 15:55.43 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: See, I'm not interested in free upgrades, I'm interested in increased Linux support. When I buy hardware, I spend about three minutes finding out whether it'll work with my computer. I buy something that will, and I e-mail the manufacturer to thank them for their Linux support. If I buy something inadvertently that doesn't work with Linux, I take it back and e-mail the manufacturer to complain. If I want to buy something that doesn't wo |
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| 15:55.57 | cahoot | PerfDave: removing some of his exaggerations there are more problem attached to making devices work on linux (in general) |
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| 15:56.07 | AdrianLP | mtnman: Just because you have no found an alternate solution doesn't automatically mean that I'm here to complain. I've explained my situation, and your solution would not have worked. |
| 15:56.09 | Lee__ | cahoot: not if you do it right. |
| 15:56.13 | Mjelva | antgel - fluxbox is a window manager, isn't it? i have that installed. how do i run it from here, though? |
| 15:56.41 | cahoot | Lee__: the problem being for a lot of people to 'do it right' from the beginnig |
| 15:56.48 | antgel | Mjelva: i'm assuming that you haven't read the docs in /usr/share/doc/fluxbox. i don't know as i don't use it. |
| 15:56.59 | PerfDave | cahoot: *shrug* It's a toss-up. The wifi card I bought when using Windows exclusively, supports WPA under Linux but only WEP under Windows. For every bit of hardware that doesn't work as well under Linux, there's one that works better. |
| 15:57.02 | Lee__ | patience is a virtue. |
| 15:57.04 | xoz | Mjelva: depends if you're using startx or dm |
| 15:57.07 | cahoot | Lee__: don't hide te head in sand |
| 15:57.07 | Mjelva | antgel - ok. what window manager would you recommend me? |
| 15:57.13 | CountZ | something weird's going on - is /etc/modules the only place where I need to put the name of my module so that it loads on boot? |
| 15:57.27 | antgel | Mjelva: but you can set a default WM system-wide with update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 15:57.38 | xoz | Mjelva: try openbox. |
| 15:57.40 | CountZ | I put a timed script that modprobes it 3 minutes after boot, and then I suddenly can reach apache on the box, but ssh is unreachable for example |
| 15:57.52 | antgel | Mjelva: it's a religious thing. i use windowmaker. if you're new (and i think you are), try gnome or kde |
| 15:57.54 | xoz | Mjelva: if you are running xdm or startx, just edit .xinitrc |
| 15:57.58 | PerfDave | cahoot: The point is that people seem to concentrate on the negative aspects and blow it out of the water. I'd say that Linux hardware support, in my experience of plugging random bits of hardware into a Debian/Windows dual-boot, is better under Linux than under Windows. |
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| 15:58.06 | samuel | anyone know how to get .fact files in rbot? the docs are non existent |
| 15:58.12 | Mjelva | antgel - i'm as green as they come. |
| 15:58.18 | antgel | Mjelva: they are desktop environments which basically means that they are more user-friendly for uninformed users. :) |
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| 15:58.28 | Mjelva | hehe |
| 15:58.58 | antgel | Mjelva: then in a few months you can try something a little more raw. also xfce is meant to be nice, i never used it. i certainly wouldn't recommend wmaker if you're new |
| 15:59.01 | PerfDave | antgel: You know, they're more user-friendly for us informed users too :) |
| 15:59.06 | AdrianLP | cahoot: "<cahoot> from a users viewpoint AdrianLP has a very valid point" Thank you, that's all I wanted. |
| 15:59.13 | Mjelva | antgel - ok, so is a window manager the same as a shell? |
| 15:59.17 | asg | PerfDave: ever try to take a hard drive out of a windows box, stick it in a new box? :) Not a problem with Debian. |
| 15:59.20 | Lee__ | Mjelva: try gnome. I use it at work. it's more resource dependent than fluxbox. |
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| 15:59.21 | antgel | PerfDave: nah, they slow us down and use our resources :) |
| 15:59.25 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about whell |
| 15:59.29 | antgel | !tell Mjelva about shell |
| 15:59.34 | antgel | shitbot |
| 15:59.46 | cahoot | PerfDave: I sincerly doubt you are representative for the vast majority of computer users - linux is 'harder' to get working for most - for a lot of reasons. Still it's more enjoyable |
| 15:59.46 | Mjelva | hehe. i know what a shell is. i just don't know what a window manager is. |
| 15:59.49 | antgel | Mjelva: _please_ get a book, and no. |
| 15:59.52 | finn_ | openbox |
| 16:00.03 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Regarding the gretag upgrade, the printer was a $150,000 Gretag Netprinter which I don't think Linux plays with nicely anyway. Really didn't have much option, its what the boss bought. |
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| 16:00.10 | streuner_ | dpkg, window manager |
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| 16:00.10 | dpkg | it has been said that window manager is includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 16:00.11 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: Rasterplus upgrade rather. |
| 16:00.23 | Zimmie | Mjelva: I think you should use KDE, it's more Windows like and easy to canfigure. |
| 16:00.38 | Zimmie | Mjelva: I mean, "configure" |
| 16:00.40 | finn_ | waimea is outdated |
| 16:00.41 | PerfDave | cahoot: Again, I don't think that's a sensible argument. Linux is "harder" if people have to install it. Most users can't install Windows either, and in my experience of introducing people to Linux desktops, they're just fine actually using it once it's installed. |
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| 16:00.46 | finn_ | it has been followed up by kahakai |
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| 16:00.51 | Mjelva | well, i've used blackbox for windows for a year or two, so that's familiar to me. i'd be more than happy to use it for debian as well. |
| 16:00.54 | finn_ | wich is also not being developed anymore |
| 16:00.56 | antgel | Mjelva: there's a comparison website out there somewhere |
| 16:01.06 | finn_ | some of kahakai's developers started "aegis-wm" |
| 16:01.12 | Mjelva | i just need to figure out how to run it, 'cause i'm just sitting around with my grey screen and little "X". |
| 16:01.17 | PerfDave | antgel: I disagree. I think the time I save using KDE outweighs any negligible slowdown I'd "eliminate" by using a smaller WM. |
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| 16:01.24 | Mjelva | so how do i bump back to the command line? |
| 16:01.28 | converg | eep srry. |
| 16:01.32 | antgel | PerfDave: more power to your elbow |
| 16:01.37 | antgel | Mjelva: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 16:01.42 | Mjelva | aight |
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| 16:01.45 | PerfDave | I appear to be disagreeing with a lot of people today ;) |
| 16:02.00 | asg | PerfDave: not me, except for the KDE thing |
| 16:02.04 | finn_ | I dislike KDE, but everybody should chose what they prefer |
| 16:02.13 | finn_ | choose* |
| 16:02.18 | PerfDave | asg: You disagree that it saves *me* time? ;) |
| 16:02.39 | asg | PerfDave: hehe, no. I disagree that is saves *me* time |
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| 16:02.45 | sward | PerfDave: You have disagreed with someone every time I've seen you here :) |
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| 16:02.47 | xoz | kde has some very useful tools like kdevelop3 |
| 16:02.54 | PerfDave | asg: Ah, OK. I never said that it saved *you* time ;) |
| 16:03.01 | Mjelva | antgel - fluxbox tells me to make sure i've started X before i start it. is there some way to start programs from that grey screen? |
| 16:03.06 | antgel | Mjelva: i told you how to configure your window manager above |
| 16:03.19 | asg | PerfDave: of course, to each their own as I always say. |
| 16:03.21 | finn_ | Mjelva, do you start x by: startx ? |
| 16:03.23 | antgel | mjelva: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 16:03.34 | CountZ | I remember how 10 years ago I saw X as being this amazing thing |
| 16:03.38 | PerfDave | asg: I was merely objecting to antgel's statement that KDE is for uninformed users ;) |
| 16:03.47 | asg | PerfDave: with that I agree |
| 16:03.53 | Lee__ | later, nice chatting. |
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| 16:03.57 | PerfDave | asg: With the statement, or with my objection? :) |
| 16:03.57 | CountZ | Even wrote little utilities to steal passwords from hosts that had their X open to all |
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| 16:04.06 | manbox | does any one recieve this message???????? |
| 16:04.09 | manbox | having isp trouble.. |
| 16:04.11 | foo | Hmm, where is the file for grub where I can add bzImages? |
| 16:04.17 | asg | PerfDave: I agree with your objection to antgel's statemetnt. |
| 16:04.17 | PerfDave | manbox: I appaer to do so. |
| 16:04.21 | antgel | PerfDave: sorry, i meant uninformed or with massively overspecced hardware :) |
| 16:04.23 | asg | foo: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:04.26 | baz | foo: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:04.28 | Mjelva | finn_ i've started x by browsing to the directory and running XFree86 |
| 16:04.28 | foo | ah, yeah |
| 16:04.29 | foo | thanks |
| 16:04.33 | EdibleText | !test manbox |
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| 16:04.34 | dpkg | Testing manbox... Segmentation fault (core dumped)$#$ |
| 16:04.34 | PerfDave | foo: Why are you manually adding things to the grub menu? |
| 16:04.36 | antgel | Mjelva: WRONG |
| 16:04.40 | foo | PerfDave: Installing kernel |
| 16:04.45 | PerfDave | foo: Use make-kpkg |
| 16:04.47 | Mjelva | antgel - ok, what's right? |
| 16:04.47 | antgel | Mjelva: type startx |
| 16:04.50 | PerfDave | foo: It will do this for you. |
| 16:04.50 | finn_ | get yourself some .xinitrc or something |
| 16:04.50 | Zimmie | KDE is ok. It deepends on who you are. I don't think my mother-in-law could have much use of Blackbox. But I guess you have, so, it deepends. |
| 16:05.06 | cahoot | PerfDave: wasn't the original argument the problem of adding devices to a linux system - for a number of reasons it tends to be easier on the user to do so in win - as all questions on irc regarding printers,cameras, usb sticks etc show |
| 16:05.15 | antgel | Zimmie: perhaps PerfDave is your mother in law |
| 16:05.21 | foo | PerfDave: hmm, I tried that.. didn't install modules .. so I tried the other way, going to see if that works |
| 16:05.22 | CountZ | I hate the new ##unavailable channel |
| 16:05.22 | Mjelva | antgel - yay! |
| 16:05.24 | PerfDave | antgel: Yes, my Celeron 300MHz with 128Mb RAM is massively overspecced ;) |
| 16:05.24 | CountZ | what a stupid invention |
| 16:05.25 | Pogopuschel- | Hi, I'm trying to enable Wake on LAN on my NIC (it's interconnected with the mainboard via WOL cable), but when I send the magic packet nothing happens... |
| 16:05.40 | antgel | heh |
| 16:05.41 | PerfDave | foo: Did you read the documentation for make-kpkg? Why are you compiling a kernel in the first place? |
| 16:06.04 | foo | PerfDave: Yes, I read the documentation for make-kpkg. I am compiling it because I patched the orinoco drivers to get into monitor mode for kismet |
| 16:06.12 | blikar | how do I set up that the system goes to standby (S3) when I close the lid on my notebook. It currently only shuts off the screen. Running sarge + 2.6.8 |
| 16:06.14 | r3v | PerfDave: why do I always see "why are you comping a kernel" questions? |
| 16:06.20 | asg | PerfDave: hey, my 200MHz/48Mb was the bomb at one point. |
| 16:06.39 | antgel | my analytical engine was the nuts |
| 16:06.58 | PerfDave | r3v: Because 99% of people who compile their own kernels (and are having problems with it) don't fully understand what they're doing, and there's a much easier way for them to achieve what they're trying to achieve. |
| 16:07.00 | stew | r3v: becuase most of the people that recompile their kernels have no good reason to |
| 16:07.15 | r3v | stew PerfDave |
| 16:07.17 | PerfDave | cahoot: And again, I don't think that it is easier to add devices to a Windows system than to a Debian system. |
| 16:07.27 | CountZ | is it possible certain grsecurity options in the kernel will make a box extremely and unbeleivably slow? |
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| 16:07.30 | stew | r3v: half of the time pointing them to m-a gets them what they really need |
| 16:07.36 | blikar | PerfDave: that could be discussed |
| 16:07.41 | AdrianLP | Is there any easy way to find docs relative to my dist (Debian), and version? Often I look up docs on Google only to find out they are only relevant to the "Red Hat way of things", or the paths are different in Debian, or the doc I'm reading is the "old way of doing things". I think this is possibly my greatest hindrance. |
| 16:07.43 | cahoot | PerfDave: ok I accept that you think so |
| 16:07.44 | Mjelva | antgel - can't seem to find a way to browse files from within the shell. isn't there anything ala explorer? |
| 16:07.46 | foo | PerfDave: I actually tried make-kpkg but had some problems |
| 16:07.53 | r3v | stew PerfDave: what about all the processors that arn't available prepackaged kernel, but are very common? like pentium M or something where recompile makes all the diff in the world? |
| 16:07.56 | PerfDave | foo: What problems did you have? |
| 16:08.04 | antgel | Mjelva: that's why you'd be better off with kde or gnome |
| 16:08.11 | CountZ | any of you slimebags can see what i'm writing? |
| 16:08.14 | Mjelva | antgel - those have that? |
| 16:08.18 | CountZ | or am I lagged to oblivion and beyond? |
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| 16:08.22 | PerfDave | foo: What problems did you have with make-kpkg? |
| 16:08.22 | digitalfox | CountZ, HI |
| 16:08.24 | CountZ | oh |
| 16:08.26 | CountZ | hi digitalfox |
| 16:08.29 | antgel | Mjelva: they have all that stupid stuff :) |
| 16:08.29 | blikar | CountZ: not nice attitude :P |
| 16:08.34 | stew | r3v: all the difference in the world? hardly |
| 16:08.46 | CountZ | blikar: I wanted to make sure people respond, in case I really was not reaching the channel |
| 16:08.51 | r3v | stew: yeah, 2 hours battery to 8, you're right, no diff at all |
| 16:08.54 | CountZ | blikar: Otherwise i'm never like that |
| 16:08.54 | Mjelva | ok. kde or gnome. you decide, linux guys. gogogogogogogogogogo |
| 16:08.58 | foo | PerfDave: I added pcmcia at the menuconfig .. but I tried to modprobe pcmcia-cs .. and it said it could not be found. But I grep'd the .config and it shows I had it as a m |
| 16:09.00 | PerfDave | Mjelva: KDE! |
| 16:09.03 | antgel | Mjelva: many *nix users don't have a need for a graphical file browser |
| 16:09.11 | antgel | !start a wm war |
| 16:09.11 | dpkg | olwm bites! |
| 16:09.19 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Asking here will generally get you pointers to Debian-specific documentation. Including "Debian" in your Google searches will help. There are sites like http://www.debian-administration.org/ that can be of help. |
| 16:09.24 | blikar | CountZ: hehe, you have to get used to no response here |
| 16:09.32 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: There's also things like the archives for the Debian mailing lists on http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 16:09.34 | CountZ | blikar: Yah, I guess :-) |
| 16:09.42 | stew | r3v: how does recompiling get you that? |
| 16:09.49 | antgel | Mjelva: why don't you decide yourself? both have extensive websites and user communities. p.s. choose gnome as rms will be your mate |
| 16:10.06 | blikar | stew: enabling the speedstep helps in those cases :) |
| 16:10.14 | foo | PerfDave: Any ideas? |
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| 16:10.17 | stew | blikar: speedstep is enabled in the precompiled kernels |
| 16:10.18 | blikar | afaik it does not come by default |
| 16:10.21 | antgel | Mjelva: even better, learn how to use the shell, not those slow graphical tools |
| 16:10.22 | r3v | stew: when you set it to the right processor instead of just i686, and many other small things just for pentium M, it actually uses the processor right |
| 16:10.43 | blikar | well, my didn't have it (but it's old :P) |
| 16:10.45 | PerfDave | foo: Did you have the .ko files in the /lib/(uname -r) directory? Did you get any warnings about that when installing the kernel-package? |
| 16:11.03 | PerfDave | r3v: However, most of the people on #debian having problems with kernel compilation are not recompiling their kernel for better performance on Pentium-M. |
| 16:11.13 | AdrianLP | Given that my Debian machine is in my home, is it possible to make USB devices automount (ditto for the floppy and CD)? |
| 16:11.14 | blikar | PerfDave: true |
| 16:11.22 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: Yes |
| 16:11.23 | blikar | how do I set up that the system goes to standby (S3) when I close the lid on my notebook. It currently only shuts off the screen. Running sarge + 2.6.8 |
| 16:11.25 | antgel | !tell Adrian about autofs |
| 16:11.39 | antgel | AdrianLP: it works in the home and elsewhere :) |
| 16:11.43 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: autofs will do it, as will gnome-volume-manager, and other tools. |
| 16:11.46 | stew | r3v: what kernel options do you recommend for pentium m that arent in the debian kenrels (i actually have a pentium m) |
| 16:11.48 | foo | PerfDave: No warnings when installing kernel-package ... what .ko file? I have several? |
| 16:11.57 | AdrianLP | antgel: I know, I just mean that as I'm in the home, it would be secure to do so. |
| 16:12.02 | r3v | PerfDave: but there are many reasons like that to recompile. And it seems that everytime anyone wants to try to recompile, everyone just tells them they should never recompile |
| 16:12.08 | antgel | foo: i asked you to check /lib/modules an hour ago |
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| 16:12.19 | blikar | on a side note, any idea why sound is not working with the 2.6.8 kernel but it works with 2.4.27 |
| 16:12.26 | antgel | r3v: because as PerfDave says, they are _mostly_ unnecessary |
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| 16:12.33 | r3v | stew: if you ask when I'm at home instead of at the office I can send you my kernel config and it does make tons of diff |
| 16:12.37 | blikar | erm, nevermind the last question... |
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| 16:12.40 | foo | antgel: You asked me to see if it changed. It didn't |
| 16:12.41 | Ungy | blikar, umm works for me |
| 16:12.45 | thingfish | blikar: make sure alsa is installed. |
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| 16:12.55 | PerfDave | r3v: No, there really aren't many reasons like that to recompile. Most of the people on #debian who are having problems compiling a kernel don't actually need to do so, as I've already stated repeatedly. |
| 16:12.55 | antgel | foo: no, i asked you to look for any pcmcia files in there |
| 16:12.58 | stew | r3v: tons of difference how? faster? more battery? |
| 16:13.05 | blikar | I'll check |
| 16:13.11 | foo | 08:12 < antgel> foo: perhaps the module name has changed. find |
| 16:13.11 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:13.12 | AdrianLP | antgel: "<antgel> !tell Adrian about autofs" didn't seem to work. DPKG last told me about parted, and hasn't messaged since. |
| 16:13.15 | foo | antgel: ^ |
| 16:13.17 | PerfDave | foo: Something pcmcia-related, I guess. I don't have pcmcia myself so I can't tell you the exact filename. |
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| 16:13.31 | r3v | stew: proper cpu throttle and such, and batter goes up 4x |
| 16:13.31 | antgel | !autofs |
| 16:13.32 | dpkg | i guess autofs is a kernel-based automounter for Linux, or silly to use 5 minutes as a default timeout for unmounting, or see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
| 16:13.35 | stew | r3v: i already get more battery life in linux with a precompiled debian kernel than this laptop gets under windows |
| 16:13.40 | stew | r3v: i already have cpu throttle |
| 16:13.48 | antgel | !udev |
| 16:13.49 | dpkg | somebody said udev was at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
| 16:13.49 | stew | i already have laptop mode |
| 16:13.52 | antgel | AdrianLP: ^^^ |
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| 16:14.04 | foo | /lib/modules/2.6.11.1/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.ko |
| 16:14.04 | Zap-W | anyone managed to get samba in etch and clamav working in a share? |
| 16:14.05 | foo | PerfDave: ^^ |
| 16:14.07 | blikar | stew: seems you have a notebook |
| 16:14.13 | foo | /lib/modules/2.6.11.1/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia.ko |
| 16:14.13 | foo | /lib/modules/2.6.11.1/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/pcmcia_core.ko |
| 16:14.17 | foo | PerfDave: Even that .. |
| 16:14.19 | PerfDave | blikar: What laptop do you have? |
| 16:14.31 | blikar | Compaq presario 2159ea |
| 16:14.31 | PerfDave | foo: Ok, what's the output of "uname -r" ? |
| 16:14.41 | stew | r3v: so anything else? |
| 16:14.42 | foo | PerfDave: I am not booted into that kernel right now .. should I get into it? |
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| 16:14.45 | antgel | foo: those are the module names, not pcmcia-cs. modprobe pcmcia. |
| 16:14.49 | foo | PerfDave: It's 2.6.11.1 I'm working with |
| 16:15.00 | r3v | stew: you have the centrino one or the other one, cause the centrino one does better (I've gone through this many times helping other with laptops). My laptop does 8 hours, another's does 7 |
| 16:15.00 | foo | antgel: Not found. I pasted those because PerfDave asked for .ko files |
| 16:15.14 | blikar | 8 hours :S |
| 16:15.16 | antgel | foo: it won't be found if you're not running that kernel |
| 16:15.18 | PerfDave | foo: You need to have the modules for the kernel you want to use with them, of course. |
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| 16:15.21 | stew | r3v: the centrino one |
| 16:15.28 | blikar | I'm lucky if I get 2h 30 |
| 16:15.33 | antgel | foo: reboot with the correct kernel and then modprobe pcmcia |
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| 16:15.40 | stew | r3v: depending on what you mean by "one" |
| 16:15.42 | foo | antgel: I've tried that, says not found, but I'll try again |
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| 16:15.51 | Mjelva-linux | hi2u debian! |
| 16:15.53 | antgel | foo: you did modprobe pcmcia-cs, you said. |
| 16:15.57 | foo | PerfDave: Yeah, let me book into the other kernel |
| 16:16.03 | foo | antgel: Correct, but that was not found |
| 16:16.07 | r3v | stew: the centrino throttling doesn't work right without kernel being compiled for pentium M |
| 16:16.09 | Mjelva-linux | hey antgel ! |
| 16:16.12 | PerfDave | blikar: I found installing klaptopdaemon let me configure powersaving from the KDE control panel, once I'd loaded the ACPI power modules. |
| 16:16.18 | stew | r3v: seems to work right here |
| 16:16.24 | antgel | hey hey |
| 16:16.39 | blikar | PerfDave: thanks, I'll look at it :) |
| 16:16.44 | stew | r3v: what would i see if it wasn't working right? |
| 16:16.44 | r3v | stew: use it how you want, i know it works better when setup right |
| 16:17.02 | r3v | stew: battery times < 6 hours |
| 16:17.16 | stew | r3v: which notebook do you have? |
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| 16:17.57 | r3v | stew: I've gotten a sony viao and a uniwill to be >7 hour battery |
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| 16:19.21 | r3v | stew: uniwill = mine. viao didn't know that long of battery was possible till comparing to me, then we fixed his |
| 16:19.23 | Mjelva-linux | ok. i'll write that off as a fuckup. |
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| 16:19.39 | Ungy | I am inthe market for a good little long lasting decent speed laptop with centrino and wifi built in anyone have recomendations |
| 16:19.43 | Mjelva-linux | question: how can i hop back and forth between x and the command line without shutting down all my shit? |
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| 16:19.51 | Electric_Panda | hi |
| 16:19.56 | foo | antgel: Hmm, while booting up I am getting a few different problems saying "something can't be loaded" .. it goes to fast for me to see what it is, though |
| 16:19.56 | Electric_Panda | can someone help me please? |
| 16:20.07 | nkuttler | Mjelva-linux: ctrl+alt+F1 |
| 16:20.07 | Electric_Panda | I would love to disable that thermal monitoring stuff |
| 16:20.08 | antgel | Mjelva-linux: stay in x and use an xterm for the shell |
| 16:20.10 | blikar | PerfDave: can I ask for a hint how to load the ACPI modules |
| 16:20.11 | EdibleText | Mjelva-linux, ctrl-alt-F[1,2,3,4,5,6] |
| 16:20.13 | r3v | stew: also if you sell laptops with linux on them, they do not pass centrino certification (which need for that sticker) without custom kernel |
| 16:20.14 | Electric_Panda | without having to recompile kernel |
| 16:20.20 | Electric_Panda | and without disabling acpi |
| 16:20.26 | Fox_1_ | hi all |
| 16:20.35 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# uname -r |
| 16:20.36 | foo | 2.6.11.1 |
| 16:20.41 | foo | PerfDave: ^ |
| 16:20.45 | Fox_1_ | listen how can i add new locale in the debian??? |
| 16:20.48 | Electric_Panda | I'm trying to search the answer in faqs and foums 4 hours already |
| 16:20.54 | antgel | foo: did you modprobe pcmcia? |
| 16:20.58 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 16:21.01 | Electric_Panda | can someone help me? |
| 16:21.12 | foo | antgel: yes, just did that. hmm, didn't return anything .. looks like it worked. Now to try to bring it up, see no power light on it |
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| 16:21.22 | Electric_Panda | I want linux to ignore my CPU temp |
| 16:21.31 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# lsmod | grep pcmcia |
| 16:21.31 | foo | pcmcia 23016 - |
| 16:21.31 | foo | pcmcia_core 45344 - |
| 16:21.37 | foo | antgel: That's good .. I just can't bring it up |
| 16:21.45 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# ifconfig eth1 up |
| 16:21.45 | foo | eth1: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 16:21.52 | antgel | foo: dmesg |grep eth |
| 16:21.53 | foo | I wonder if the name of the device changed or something |
| 16:22.04 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# dmesg| grep eth |
| 16:22.05 | foo | eth0: no IPv6 routers present |
| 16:22.14 | Electric_Panda | oh well |
| 16:22.17 | Electric_Panda | thanks anyway |
| 16:22.26 | Electric_Panda | exit |
| 16:22.35 | antgel | foo: how many network devices do you have on the machine? |
| 16:22.48 | stew | r3v: which processor should i be choosing in make menuconfig? pentium M or pentium4? |
| 16:22.52 | foo | antgel: Just eth0 and eth1 .. where eth0 is the ethernet plugin and eth1 is the pcmcia card |
| 16:23.00 | Fox_1_ | nkuttler: but the language which i want to add isn't in debian. i want add new language in debian locales. |
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| 16:23.06 | antgel | foo: what sort of card is the pcmcia card? |
| 16:23.09 | r3v | stew: do you have a Pentium M or a Pentium 4M? |
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| 16:23.34 | chrysopa | Hi |
| 16:23.38 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: no idea, check www.debian.orc/doc |
| 16:23.44 | stew | r3v: 4m |
| 16:23.52 | r3v | stew: 4m != M |
| 16:24.02 | foo | antgel: original orinoco gold card.. usually supported by linux |
| 16:24.24 | pepsi_ | when doing a "make-kpkg --blabla" "dpkg -i kerner-image...." does this save my old kernel (on disk and in grub-conf) or does it replace everything with the new one? |
| 16:24.26 | r3v | stew: M = centrino with hella battery and such. 4M is just one that is better designed for heat of laptop |
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| 16:24.30 | antgel | foo: wireless then. is this a kernel you compiled yourself? |
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| 16:24.43 | foo | antgel: Correct |
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| 16:25.21 | r3v | stew: I agree that intel's naming on that one was retarded. however that doesn't invaildate the point that everyone with a new laptop needs kernel recompile |
| 16:25.22 | stew | r3v: so which kernel option are you saying will get me more battery life? M ? or 4? |
| 16:25.22 | chrysopa | What does mean: outstanding,pending upload,resolved,done,open in a bug report. |
| 16:25.28 | dabar | what does map eth0 in a interfaces file mean? |
| 16:25.40 | antgel | foo: is the orinoco driver not in the debian kernel? |
| 16:25.51 | r3v | stew: if you have a Pentium 4M, proally none. if you had a Pentium M, the M one would. |
| 16:25.57 | Fox_1_ | anyone have any ideas |
| 16:25.59 | Fox_1_ | ? |
| 16:26.04 | greycat | !any ideas |
| 16:26.04 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 starving ostriches. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 16:26.17 | nkuttler | Fox_1_: i told you |
| 16:26.30 | stew | r3v: $(CONFIG_MPENTIUMM) += -march=i686 $(call cc-option,-mtune=pentium3) thats all the M one does, how would that get you more battery life? |
| 16:26.31 | antgel | pepsi_: have you read the debian manual? |
| 16:26.31 | foo | antgel: hmm, it is. http://pastebin.com/340883 |
| 16:26.43 | streuner_ | dabar: look at /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/ |
| 16:26.46 | chrysopa | Mainly the difference betweem the done, open and resolved status? |
| 16:26.48 | dabar | # This is a list of hotpluggable network interfaces. \n # They will be activated automatically by the hotplug subsystem. \n mapping hotplug \n script grep and then map eth0. Do you guys know about that in |
| 16:26.52 | dabar | o, I will. thanks. |
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| 16:26.57 | foo | antgel: Strange, eh? |
| 16:27.01 | AdrianLP | If I understand correctly, parted can only shrink a hfs or hfs+ filesystem. I need to shrink an ext2 system though. Is this possible, safely? |
| 16:27.08 | antgel | foo: did you insert the relevant modules for your card? |
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| 16:27.15 | Fox_1_ | what? |
| 16:27.17 | pepsi_ | antgel: no. not really. I'll go read up. |
| 16:27.27 | foo | antgel: Actually, no. |
| 16:27.29 | mohkohn | I am having another go installing Sarge on my hp ze4918ea laptop... |
| 16:27.32 | antgel | !tell pepsi_ about debian reference |
| 16:27.33 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# modprobe orinoco |
| 16:27.35 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# |
| 16:27.35 | r3v | stew: i'm done arguing this... find someone with a properly setup centrino (not P4M) with right kernel and watch it go for 7+ hours on battery if you want proof |
| 16:27.39 | foo | antgel: Hmm, ok. |
| 16:27.39 | Ungy | !fgi Debian custom locales |
| 16:27.40 | dpkg | Debian: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=custom locales |
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| 16:27.52 | nkuttler | chrysopa: read the documentation on bugs.debian.org |
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| 16:28.06 | Ungy | !fgi Fox_1 debian custom locales |
| 16:28.07 | dpkg | Fox_1: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian custom locales |
| 16:28.13 | mohkohn | Currnetly talking to you courtesy of an Ubuntu live cd |
| 16:28.19 | foo | antgel: hmm, I did that.. /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart .. no errors, says watching 2 socks. Anym more ideas? I think that's what you meant when you asked about inserting modules |
| 16:28.27 | Ungy | mohkohn, try #ubuntu |
| 16:28.41 | antgel | foo: i meant modprobe orinoco |
| 16:28.52 | foo | antgel: Ok, did that. hmm |
| 16:29.04 | mohkohn | Ungy I am trying to install debian |
| 16:29.28 | CountZ | is it a good idea to enable irq load balancing in the kernel? |
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| 16:29.32 | stew | r3v: i agree. i'm just saying that adding a -mtune=pentium3 is not going to do anything for your battery life. modprobe speedstep-centrino is the thing that does it, so i still haven't seen from you a reason to recompile a debian kernel |
| 16:29.40 | Ungy | mohkohn, ok and why exactly can you not install |
| 16:29.50 | blikar | humm, Kde control center says: You may need to enable ACPI suspend/resume in the ACPI panel |
| 16:29.52 | antgel | foo: why are you building your own kernel anyway? |
| 16:30.02 | foo | antgel: I patched the orinoco drivers for kismet |
| 16:30.06 | blikar | but the ACPI panel has everything greyed out, so I can't enable it... |
| 16:30.07 | antgel | foo: ok |
| 16:30.08 | Fox_1_ | in which package locales are? |
| 16:30.16 | foo | antgel: Yeah.. only reason I am doing this. heh |
| 16:30.21 | r3v | stew: buy a damn centrino laptop. do it your way, then do it mine. one will have lots longer battery. |
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| 16:30.34 | foo | antgel: Any more ideas? Everything looks good. It's not throwing any real errors. |
| 16:30.40 | sward | Fox_1_: locales, it's a funny name for a package containing locales, but it's true :) |
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| 16:30.42 | Ungy | blikar, are you by any chance running sid and happened to upgrade your kde-libs-data file |
| 16:30.43 | mohkohn | Ungy or anyone else... Sarge install locks up initial boot: USB Universal Host Controller Interface driver v2.2 |
| 16:30.44 | noux | what have I to do to get a higher resolution than 800*600 ? |
| 16:30.51 | antgel | foo: you might need to modprobe one or more of the other orinoco*.ko files. not sure which. if you do the wrong one, it will just say could not insert module etc |
| 16:30.56 | Eulex | !drxx noux |
| 16:30.56 | mohkohn | My tale of woe is here http://www.debianhelp.org/module-pnForum-viewtopic-topic-9617.html |
| 16:30.57 | blikar | Ungy: no, sarge |
| 16:30.57 | dpkg | noux: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 16:31.10 | foo | antgel: I see |
| 16:31.10 | foo | hmm |
| 16:31.12 | antgel | foo: dmesg will report to you when the card is detected. |
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| 16:31.37 | chrysopa | nkuttler, I looking for, but in debian bug dont have this tags. This s showed in apt-listbugs. |
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| 16:32.09 | foo | antgel: I just modprobe'd all the orinoco*.ko files ..still no go. hm, strange |
| 16:32.18 | PerfDave | blikar: add the following to your /etc/modules, one on a line, and then reboot: ac battery button fan processor thermal |
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| 16:32.54 | rob_lt | mohkohn, have you tried booting the install CD with "linux26" at the first prompt? This will load and then install a 2.6 series kernel. |
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| 16:33.02 | opqdonut | PerfDave: hmh! no reboot requred! |
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| 16:33.03 | Faithful | how can I force a module to load at bootime |
| 16:33.07 | nkuttler | chrysopa: hm, i guess it should be documented at bdo... how is anybody supposed to use it else? if it's really not you may consider reporting a bug against the bts |
| 16:33.21 | antgel | !tell Faithful about modules |
| 16:33.27 | sward | Faithful: see /etc/modules |
| 16:33.31 | AdrianLP | Nobody knows how to shrink an ext2 safely? parted's site if I understand correctly, says it can only shrinks hfs and hfs+ |
| 16:33.38 | blikar | PerfDave: thanks |
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| 16:33.39 | Ungy | mohkohn, apparently you tried the only suggestion I would have had for you |
| 16:33.49 | wers | how do you force to unmount a cdrom that says "drive busy",, it aint f-king busy.. |
| 16:33.51 | wers | ? |
| 16:34.12 | PerfDave | opqdonut: I didn't say it was required, but it's the easiest way for blikar to do things. |
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| 16:34.26 | PerfDave | wers: use lsof to see which process is still using it? |
| 16:34.28 | stew | wers: did you verify that with fuser or lsof? |
| 16:34.30 | mohkohn | Ungy you mean http://blog.bla...kernel-2611/ |
| 16:34.35 | opqdonut | PerfDave: well, yea. but i don't like rebooting :) |
| 16:34.40 | Ungy | mohkohn, yup |
| 16:34.42 | opqdonut | PerfDave: it's a window relic |
| 16:34.46 | foo | antgel: I am ssh'd into my laptop, doesn't really matter.. but when I run /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart, I see this: IO port probe 0x800-0x8ff: excluding 0xbc0-0x8e7 on my laptop screen in the terminal .. it excludes that one, and then it says clean. for some others hmm |
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| 16:34.51 | PerfDave | opqdonut: That's nice for you. Tell you what, you do it *without* rebooting, OK? |
| 16:35.00 | wers | stew perfdave.. no.. iwill, thanx alot.. :) |
| 16:35.28 | Faithful | sward: thanks mate |
| 16:35.30 | mohkohn | Someone mentioned blacklisting modules. |
| 16:35.38 | stew | mohkohn: /msg dpkg blacklist ? |
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| 16:35.41 | opqdonut | PerfDave: will, and have. sry for being a nitpick :) |
| 16:35.44 | rob_lt | mohkohn, are you booting with "linux26"? |
| 16:35.52 | PerfDave | opqdonut: That's OK, I didn't reboot either ;) |
| 16:35.54 | Fox_1_ | what does virtual package mean?? |
| 16:36.02 | opqdonut | :) |
| 16:36.07 | mohkohn | Yes rob_lt and thanks stew |
| 16:36.15 | wers | wtf is famd? |
| 16:36.16 | rob_lt | mohkohn, k |
| 16:36.19 | stew | !famd |
| 16:36.20 | dpkg | i guess famd is a component of Gnome that makes it difficult to unmount devices. |
| 16:36.20 | PerfDave | Fox_1_: A virtual package is one that contains no files, but just has (or fulfils) dependencies |
| 16:36.24 | stew | uhh |
| 16:36.32 | wers | ;) i like u stew ;) |
| 16:36.33 | sward | !tell mohkohn about skip modules |
| 16:36.46 | stew | wers: its a daemon that lets you get notification on file changes, apt-cache show famd |
| 16:37.10 | nkuttler | !tell Fox_1_ about virtual package |
| 16:37.13 | wers | stew brilliant.. |
| 16:37.15 | stew | wers: err apt-cache show fam |
| 16:37.39 | Fox_1_ | ok. thanks |
| 16:38.16 | stew | !no famd is the File Alteration Monitor, a daemon that will notify you when any of a given list of files changes, or see, apt-cache show fam |
| 16:38.17 | dpkg | stew: okay |
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| 16:38.30 | antgel | foo: according to the kernel source, orinoco is the driver. you have modprobed it already. try pulling the card out and in. check syslog or dmesg for interesting info. |
| 16:38.52 | stew | !famd is also famd can make it more difficult to unmount devices |
| 16:38.52 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 16:39.18 | foo | antgel: Nothing at all. No lights ever go on on the card |
| 16:39.20 | fng_sma | Can someone help me with libmimedir-gnome0-dev? |
| 16:39.28 | antgel | foo: and the logs? |
| 16:39.32 | foo | antgel: Nothing |
| 16:39.52 | sward | fng_sma: Someone, somewhere, just ask your question: /msg dpkg ask |
| 16:40.07 | mohkohn | sward I am looking at /msg dpkg blacklist now |
| 16:40.21 | Zimmie | If anyone remembers my issue (I can post the whole thing again), now I can start OOo in swedish once with "export LANGUAGE="sv_SE";oowriter" but the next time I start it it's back in english.... Suggestions, help? |
| 16:40.43 | sward | mohkohn: Good, is it helping? |
| 16:40.45 | antgel | foo: paste an lsmod somewhere |
| 16:41.13 | stew | Zimmie: set LANGUAGE in a dotfile, or create a script that launches it for you |
| 16:41.14 | foo | antgel: http://notix.ath.cx:81/lsmod.txt |
| 16:41.19 | stew | !wikifaq Zimmie DotFiles |
| 16:41.20 | dpkg | Zimmie: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:41.23 | cahoot | Zimmie: make an alias for oowriter that includes the export.. |
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| 16:41.54 | mohkohn | I am on a livecd right now. I can mount the partion and edit the files. I guess it will be a bit of trial and error to work out which modules are the problem. |
| 16:41.55 | antgel | foo: doesn't work |
| 16:42.09 | foo | antgel: doesn't load? 404? It just worked for me.. |
| 16:42.39 | antgel | foo: access denied |
| 16:42.54 | noux | Eulex, I did all what they wanted, but I still can't change the res ... why ? |
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| 16:43.10 | foo | Eulex: Can read the link I pasted? |
| 16:43.12 | stew | foo: what card do you have? is it actually an orinoco? |
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| 16:43.23 | foo | stew: yes, original orinoco gold card |
| 16:43.38 | morten_ | one small step for me. one really big step for mankind. i downloaded firefox to the linux box. i think i'm practically self-sufficient now! |
| 16:43.38 | Eulex | noux, did you select the resolutions you want when running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 16:43.39 | foo | antgel: It works for others ... works here. Just get an access is denied page? That's *really* weird. |
| 16:43.41 | Eulex | foo: yep |
| 16:43.51 | noux | Eulex, yes |
| 16:44.03 | foo | Eulex: Thanks |
| 16:44.08 | antgel | foo: i have a web proxy which might be misconfigured. |
| 16:44.18 | Mjelva-linux | breathe easy, antgel! |
| 16:44.20 | Eulex | antgel, it's on port 81, that may be your problem |
| 16:44.21 | foo | antgel: That might be it |
| 16:44.46 | antgel | right then. guess who isn't going to reconfigure the proxy. :) |
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| 16:45.04 | antgel | or browser |
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| 16:45.22 | Mjelva-linux | i'm already browsing genmay, so your biting sarcasm is lost on me. |
| 16:45.24 | Eulex | noux, check /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and see if it actually added those resolutions you wanted |
| 16:45.34 | AngelGabriel | how can i use the find command to find a particular file on my system |
| 16:45.38 | foo | antgel: http://pastebin.com/340904 |
| 16:45.41 | antgel | Mjelva-linux: good stuff. what WM you using? |
| 16:45.42 | foo | antgel: Check that out.. interesting. |
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| 16:45.45 | antgel | AngelGabriel: ffs, man find |
| 16:45.50 | Mjelva-linux | antgel - fluxbox |
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| 16:46.05 | AngelGabriel | ffs? |
| 16:46.15 | sward | !ffs |
| 16:46.15 | dpkg | ffs is probably for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 16:46.23 | foo | antgel: So it detects the card, hmm |
| 16:46.27 | Mjelva-linux | i think it'll do. i've already got a bunch of blackbox themes lying around that i can use. don't think i'll miss explorer that much. |
| 16:46.29 | antgel | Mjelva-linux: well if you're happy, i'm happy. now go and read the debian reference. :) |
| 16:46.36 | antgel | foo: lsmod output please |
| 16:46.40 | Mjelva-linux | ye ye |
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| 16:46.56 | AngelGabriel | antgel, Answers like that don't help - Idiots like you that assume i havn't read the man pages need to be shot - at least ASK me first if i've read that man pages |
| 16:47.03 | foo | antgel: Hmm, I'll get it on pastebin for ya |
| 16:47.05 | Mjelva-linux | though, i'm not sure how to get at those themes. they're on another partition, and the file system here is kinda lost on me. |
| 16:47.12 | noux | Eulex, the files doesnot exist o.O |
| 16:47.13 | sward | AngelGabriel: In other words, read the man page, it's all there |
| 16:47.13 | dabar | AngelGabriel: that is comlpetely rude. |
| 16:47.13 | Mjelva-linux | oh well, i'll figure it out eventually. |
| 16:47.15 | defcon8 | how do i install nvidia 3d drivers on deb? |
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| 16:47.23 | foo | antgel: http://pastebin.com/340906 |
| 16:47.28 | stew | AngelGabriel: what have you tried so far? |
| 16:47.29 | dabar | AngelGabriel: mention what you did before so we dont have to waste keystroked. |
| 16:47.39 | AngelGabriel | dabar, And swearing @ me isn't rude? |
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| 16:47.49 | dabar | sure is too:) |
| 16:47.51 | possie | i'm getting the error message "scsi0:Found MegaRaid controller at 0xcd00a000, IRQ:0", IRQ 0? is this even possible? |
| 16:48.06 | Elmoe | er is base-config hosed? |
| 16:48.11 | noux | Eulex, what do I have to do ? they don't propose me what resolution I want, just what resolution i DON T want |
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| 16:48.13 | Elmoe | getting a syntax error in the postinst |
| 16:48.38 | Eulex | noux, if it doesn't exist, your system is fucked up -- what does find XF86Config-4 say? |
| 16:48.40 | stew | AngelGabriel: what do you know about the file? its name? |
| 16:48.45 | antgel | foo: hmm. i had a look at the kernel source. you don't need orinoco_* as far as i can tell. just orinoco should do it. you running X? |
| 16:48.57 | AngelGabriel | stew, I tried find / filename |
| 16:49.01 | zurik | hi ! anyone has succeeded to install acroread via apt-get ? cannot find the package. Thanks for any help |
| 16:49.06 | defcon8 | how do i install nvidia 3d drivers on deb? |
| 16:49.10 | AngelGabriel | And it just gives me a listing of every file on my system |
| 16:49.17 | noux | Eulex, I tell you that this file does not exist !!! |
| 16:49.19 | foo | antgel: No X on that system. Yeah, I have orinoco_* loaded ATM |
| 16:49.28 | noux | Eulex, ah sorry |
| 16:49.39 | noux | Eulex, I don't know how to find a file ... erf (noob inside) |
| 16:49.43 | stew | AngelGabriel: you want -name filename ; if the file has been around for > 1 day, use locate filename |
| 16:49.54 | AdrianLP | If I have 512mb ram, is the recommended to have 512 swap also? Would 512 swap be recommended with 256 ram (I have 256 ram currently, and may upgrade). My current swap is 9Xmb, so I want to change it anyway. |
| 16:49.56 | antgel | foo: ok, can you open a couple more ssh windows? in one of them tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 16:49.59 | zurik | hi ! anyone has succeeded to install acroread via apt-get ? cannot find the package. Thanks for any help |
| 16:50.07 | stew | AngelGabriel: if the file is contained in a package, dpkg -L packagename |
| 16:50.10 | Eulex | !repeat zurik |
| 16:50.18 | Eulex | !tell zurik about repeat |
| 16:50.21 | PerfDave | zurik: It won't be packaged for Debian, because it's non-DSFG-Free |
| 16:50.25 | antgel | AdrianLP: 512+512 works for me, but others may disagree. it depends what you want / need. |
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| 16:50.31 | AngelGabriel | In the man pages, *take note antgel * It says find *path* *expression* |
| 16:50.41 | foo | antgel: Sure. Heck, I could get us in a screen on that system via ssh if you want |
| 16:50.41 | stew | AngelGabriel: yes, read the EXPRESSION section |
| 16:50.44 | PerfDave | zurik: You may be able to find a third-party repository for it however. |
| 16:50.46 | noux | Eulex, do u have an idea ? |
| 16:50.47 | antgel | foo: then in the other window, rmmod all the orinocos |
| 16:50.49 | AdrianLP | antgel: Is there any point where too much swap is redundant? |
| 16:50.53 | stew | AngelGabriel: which would explain that filename is not a valid expression |
| 16:50.53 | Eulex | noux, what does /etc/X11 contain? |
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| 16:51.06 | ralf | many beauty stuff |
| 16:51.06 | AngelGabriel | stew It's not contained in a package or anything, it's actually a cgi file |
| 16:51.08 | MrBallZ | hey, any good software for backing up DVD's ??? |
| 16:51.30 | AdrianLP | antgel: I just worry now cause I always have 0 swap left, and < 20mb of 250mb RAm listed as free. Granted, I guess the cached mem. may throw that off. |
| 16:51.35 | stew | AngelGabriel: try locate first it's much faster if its not a brand new file |
| 16:51.41 | antgel | AdrianLP: when it's not being used. the more swapping you do, the slower things _might_ be. |
| 16:51.59 | usn | hi folx |
| 16:52.09 | phogg | MrBallZ: cp |
| 16:52.10 | antgel | AdrianLP: you're not really out of memory till the kernel starts killing processes. :) |
| 16:52.18 | antgel | i wouldn't worry about it |
| 16:52.19 | AngelGabriel | stew - locate? I'll have to have a look at that |
| 16:52.20 | MrBallZ | phogg: is that the name ??? cp ? |
| 16:52.22 | AdrianLP | antgel: My swap is always just about all used up. not sure why. A few lads in here helped me with it, but couldn't figure out why. |
| 16:52.30 | defcon8 | how do i install nvidia 3d drivers on deb? |
| 16:52.41 | antgel | AdrianLP: but don't worry about it unless it causes a practical problem |
| 16:52.42 | phogg | MrBallZ: Yes. man cp |
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| 16:52.55 | antgel | !tell defcon8 about install nvidia |
| 16:52.57 | MrBallZ | phogg: any web page ... or just google " cp for linux " |
| 16:52.59 | antgel | !tell defcon8 about nvidia |
| 16:53.00 | foo | antgel: FATAL: Kernel does not have unload support. |
| 16:53.07 | AdrianLP | antgel: Someone (asg) suggested it might mean bad RAM. |
| 16:53.17 | phogg | MrBallZ: it's the standard *nix copy command |
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| 16:53.25 | antgel | AdrianLP: i can only tell you so many times to stop worrying and get on with life :) |
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| 16:53.34 | AngelGabriel | antgel, Sorry about getting mad with you earlier |
| 16:53.36 | AdrianLP | antgel: This is only your second time :) |
| 16:53.37 | defcon8 | thanks antgel |
| 16:53.38 | antgel | foo: who compiled this fucking kernel? ;) |
| 16:53.39 | noux | Eulex, you want the full list ? |
| 16:53.49 | AngelGabriel | antgel, I just don't like assumtions |
| 16:53.53 | AngelGabriel | assumptions |
| 16:54.01 | foo | antgel: haha.. me. Shoot, did I forget something? |
| 16:54.07 | antgel | AdrianLP: yep, once too many |
| 16:54.08 | AdrianLP | antgel: But my 2D rendering *is* really bad. That was something I wanted to fix. That might be related. |
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| 16:54.15 | antgel | foo: yeah, module unloading support |
| 16:54.21 | noux | Eulex, XF86cConfig-4.old and the same without .old |
| 16:54.27 | foo | antgel: hehe. What should I do? |
| 16:54.35 | phogg | MrBallZ: Moutn your DVD. mkdir /backup/location/ ; cp -R /dvd/mount/mount/* /backup/location/ |
| 16:54.35 | antgel | AdrianLP: i'll eat my hat if it is. i think ockham's razor applies |
| 16:54.43 | phogg | MrBallZ: and then wait |
| 16:54.48 | antgel | foo: you got the tail -f going? |
| 16:54.52 | stew | noux: /msg dpkg xmd5 ; /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 16:54.55 | defcon8 | antgel, where is this nvidia-howto* |
| 16:55.01 | AdrianLP | antgel: ATI's vid drivers are supposed to be fairly good at 2D rendering though. |
| 16:55.08 | AdrianLP | antgel: I have a 9200 radeon. |
| 16:55.10 | MrBallZ | phogg: ... mmm, dude, i meant something more like dvdshrink ... |
| 16:55.15 | antgel | !tell defcon8 about nvidia-howto |
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| 16:55.18 | phogg | MrBallZ: which does what? |
| 16:55.44 | foo | antgel: Yup |
| 16:55.48 | antgel | AdrianLP: it's a million times more likely to be your x configuration than not enough memory |
| 16:55.58 | phogg | MrBallZ: if you want not a backup but a lossy rip of the DVD, use mencoder. |
| 16:56.06 | antgel | foo: pull the card out and in, see what happens in the log |
| 16:56.11 | AdrianLP | antgel: Ok, so be it. I have my config'd as properly as I know from reading docs, what do I do next? |
| 16:56.19 | MrBallZ | phogg: it makes a perfect copy of the DVD movie, the thing is im backing my new anime in dvd, so i dont scratch the original ones ... and I used to doit in windorks, now i want to doit in linux |
| 16:56.21 | phogg | MrBallZ: if you want not a backup but to duplicate a disc, use any DVD-capable burning software. I suggest for you) k3b |
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| 16:56.33 | antgel | AdrianLP: describe your problem better, find better docs etc |
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| 16:57.00 | AdrianLP | antgel: Well, for example, when I click from one virtual desktop to the next, it often takes 5+ seconds for the screen to be redrawn. |
| 16:57.02 | Eulex | noux, hmm, that's most probably it, though I've never heard of a system with XF86cConfig-4 instead of XF86Config-4 -- what version of debian and xfree86 are you running? |
| 16:57.33 | antgel | AdrianLP: aha. so it renders well, but _slowly_. how many virtual desktops? what wm? how much ram? |
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| 16:57.35 | AdrianLP | antgel: The reason I think it RAm though is that open office takes 15-25 seconds to open, and firefox is over 10 seconds too. And I'm using an AMD 1800+. |
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| 16:58.02 | AdrianLP | antgel: 4 virtual desktops, KDE, 256 crucial Ram with 3cl. |
| 16:58.06 | antgel | AdrianLP: those aren't the most lightweight programs in the world |
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| 16:58.10 | abyss | lo, i have a mac lemon with agp ati graphic rage 128 card |
| 16:58.11 | foo | antgel: AhA! http://pastebin.com/340916 |
| 16:58.11 | cmatheson | hey, i thought that the install cd used to let you use it as a rescue disk by typing rescue disk=/dev/hda1 or something like that at the cd's bootprompt... is that not possible anymore? |
| 16:58.27 | cmatheson | or maybe i should say, where can i get a rescue disk? (cd) |
| 16:58.27 | abyss | which package i should install to get the ait works on xserver? |
| 16:58.40 | antgel | AdrianLP: aha, kde! there you go ;) i think the minimum recommended requirement for kde is a cray supercomputer |
| 16:58.55 | AdrianLP | antgel: Is it really that bad, worse then windows XP even? |
| 16:59.34 | antgel | AdrianLP: it's a different kind of bad. why not try something lighter like icewm, wmaker, whatever, just to see if you get better performance? |
| 16:59.45 | Eulex | foo, what kernel? and have you compiled it yourself? |
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| 17:00.01 | abyss | ive installed from the ppc netinst stable but my xserver wont work with ati driver or vga or svga or fbdev |
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| 17:00.15 | antgel | foo: i asked you if there was anything in the logs about an hour ago. grr. grep orinoco /etc/modules.conf |
| 17:00.17 | AdrianLP | antgel: I like blackbox, or a friend writes extensions for PLWM, perhaps I'll try that. But would that really make OO and Firefox open SO slowly? |
| 17:00.22 | stew | AdrianLP: is your machine swapping when you start oo or firefox? |
| 17:00.27 | noux | Eulex, wrong paste, there is no "c" |
| 17:00.31 | abyss | with fbdev driver the mac hang completly |
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| 17:00.40 | antgel | AdrianLP: the more memory used by running processes, the less there is to open new ones |
| 17:00.42 | AdrianLP | stew: Swap drops by about 2mb, and RAM doesn't move when I open either. |
| 17:00.50 | Eulex | noux, so then the file *is* there? |
| 17:00.51 | quittt | do you know a program that can find problems in mp3s? |
| 17:00.59 | noux | Eulex, yeah, I see here |
| 17:01.08 | fng_sma | libmimedir-gnome0-dev I can't create properties for vevents. Can someone help? |
| 17:01.14 | antgel | AdrianLP: give it a go, only takes 5 minutes to install and configure something else |
| 17:01.19 | foo | antgel: Yes, there wasn't before ... I did tail -f .. |
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| 17:01.28 | foo | Eulex: 2.6.11.1 .. yes |
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| 17:01.36 | AdrianLP | antgel: If I exit X, and in console only I still find no swap left, and no RAM left, that'd be bad? |
| 17:01.42 | antgel | foo: are you doing that grep? |
| 17:01.43 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# grep orinoco /etc/modules.conf |
| 17:01.44 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# |
| 17:01.45 | foo | antgel: ^ |
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| 17:01.53 | noux | Eulex, but the access permission is denied |
| 17:02.04 | noux | Eulex, nouxlinux:/home/noux# /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:02.04 | noux | bash: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Permission is denied |
| 17:02.12 | cmatheson | my system won't boot (i think my scsi drive may have finally eaten it), anyway, i want to make sure by booting it off of cd... are there any rescue disks for debian avaliable (the install cd doesn't seem to have that functionality anymore) |
| 17:02.17 | antgel | AdrianLP: you worry too much about statistics that you don't yet understand fully. the proof of the pudding is in the eating, just try it. |
| 17:02.27 | stew | AdrianLP: run vmstat 5 ; then in another shell, start openoffice, and see if the "so si" number in vmstat move at all, if so you are swapping and could use more ram |
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| 17:02.43 | antgel | foo: i see what's going on. |
| 17:02.48 | AdrianLP | stew: I'll try that, then antgels suggestion. |
| 17:02.57 | mohkohn | I got a bit further. Now it gets to "Starting hotplug subsystem pci and then locks up on "Linux agpgart interface...." |
| 17:03.11 | eps | I need a way to install grub from a cd install disk or livecd... can any one suggest a way I can do this without resorting to doing weird things :| |
| 17:03.12 | foo | antgel: I don't have orinoco_cs ? |
| 17:03.14 | Eulex | noux, you are trying to execute the file. if it doesn't have the execute permission set, you'll get permission denied. open it in nano instead |
| 17:03.26 | antgel | foo: cardmgr is trying to modprobe the wrong thing. i don't use pcmcia myself, which makes this harder, but you need to config cardmgr properly. |
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| 17:03.31 | dabar | 웃으며 ë– ë‚˜ê°”ë˜ ê²ƒì²˜ëŸ¼ 미소를 ë ê³ ëŒì•„와 마침내 í‰ì•ˆí•˜ê¸°ë¥¼ |
| 17:03.40 | mohkohn | Its frustrating because Fedora and Ubuntu work. I want to make debian work too. |
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| 17:03.41 | antgel | foo: just give me root ssh on your box and i'll do it :) |
| 17:03.50 | antgel | foo: ls /etc/cardmgr* |
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| 17:03.53 | mohkohn | On this laptop I mean. |
| 17:03.57 | noux | Eulex, hum what's nano ? the basic notepad ? |
| 17:04.07 | greycat | !nano |
| 17:04.07 | dpkg | it has been said that nano is at http://www.nano-editor.org/, or a DFSG-free alternative to pico, or 10^-9, or for old koreans |
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| 17:04.13 | Eulex | noux, a small simple console text editor |
| 17:04.14 | noux | Eulex, ok, opened ... and now ? |
| 17:04.23 | karsten | noux: console editor, reasonably intuitive for n00bs. |
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| 17:04.27 | antgel | foo: it's _correct_ not to have orinoco_cs. the module, as i'm sure you recall, is now called orinoco. |
| 17:04.44 | foo | antgel: Actually, I wasn't aware of that. |
| 17:04.48 | AdrianLP | stew: When I run `vmstat 5` the "si" column is constantly changing before I even open Open Office. |
| 17:04.56 | noux | karsten, ;) |
| 17:05.00 | foo | laptop:/home/foo# ls /etc/cardmgr* |
| 17:05.00 | foo | ls: /etc/cardmgr*: No such file or directory |
| 17:05.02 | foo | antgel: ^ |
| 17:05.08 | Eulex | noux, scroll down to the section Screen and see if your preferred resolutions are there |
| 17:05.11 | stew | AdrianLP: then you are swapping constantly and you need more ram |
| 17:05.14 | antgel | foo: let me install this crap on my box, hold on |
| 17:05.27 | noux | Eulex, no they're not |
| 17:05.33 | AdrianLP | stew: Ok. I guess KDE perhaps doesn't run well under 256mb. I guess. |
| 17:05.38 | antgel | AdrianLP: yes but if you use a WM with a smaller footprint, you might not be swapping so much |
| 17:05.40 | noux | Eulex, I've to remake what u told me ? or can I manually change them ? |
| 17:06.03 | abyss | with what drive i can drive a ati rage 128 agp card (stable) |
| 17:06.06 | Eulex | sounds like this: |
| 17:06.09 | Eulex | !xmd5 |
| 17:06.10 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 17:06.13 | foo | antgel: Thanks |
| 17:06.23 | noux | Eulex, my monitor can't go over 1280*1024 and I'm at 800*600 and I don't find 1280*1024 in the list |
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| 17:06.59 | AdrianLP | stew: Oh, wait, I've watched "si" since opening OO, and its been 0 ever since. Must have been something swapping just previous to OO opening I guess. |
| 17:07.13 | Zap-W | where are the horde docs? |
| 17:07.13 | Eulex | noux, what list? in XF86Config-4 or the one in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? |
| 17:07.17 | Zap-W | cant find the package |
| 17:07.47 | noux | Eulex, in XF86Config-4 |
| 17:07.57 | greycat | AdrianLP: the pages of the OO.o programs and libraries being read from disk into RAM would qualify as "swap in" activity. |
| 17:07.58 | maja | any recomdations on how to recover a corrupted jpeg ? |
| 17:08.13 | antgel | foo: you using sarge? |
| 17:08.18 | Eulex | noux, ok -- did you try what I said above? (after !xmd5) |
| 17:08.26 | greycat | you're not thrashing unless you have "swap *out*" activity |
| 17:08.47 | abyss | what i should enter in the xserver config where pci bus is asked? (lspci : 0000:00:10.0) |
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| 17:08.56 | greycat | abyss: hit Enter. |
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| 17:09.12 | Eulex | abyss, nothing, if your gfx card ain't one of those special mentioned |
| 17:09.51 | AdrianLP | stew: http://mormon.mine.nu/TMP2.html This was the output, where si reads "128" is about where Open Office began to open. |
| 17:09.53 | greycat | !smite debconf for removing the instructions from the screen before prompting end users for the PCI bus ID |
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| 17:09.58 | foo | antgel: yes |
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| 17:10.06 | antgel | foo: recently installed? |
| 17:10.08 | noux | Eulex, u want me to open the XF86 conig file and modify it by hand ? I don't see what you mean "after !xmd5" |
| 17:10.16 | antgel | foo: can you cat /etc/pcmcia/config? |
| 17:10.19 | foo | antgel: Yes. |
| 17:10.22 | Eulex | !tell noux about xmd5 |
| 17:10.32 | foo | antgel: Yes, I can. You want the houtput? |
| 17:10.33 | guns-n-roses | sweet child on mine |
| 17:10.39 | antgel | foo: yeah. #flood is good |
| 17:10.39 | AdrianLP | greycat: I meant before I even gave the command to open OO the "si" column was changing a lot. |
| 17:11.11 | abyss | Eulex, the config assistent say that it found no matching xserver graphic card what i should do now? |
| 17:11.12 | noux | Eulex, yes I tried, but didn't succed |
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| 17:11.28 | noux | Eulex, I dunno there was a problem, at 1 moment, the line was totaly cleared |
| 17:11.35 | Eulex | abyss, manually select the one you have |
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| 17:12.03 | noux | Eulex, there was nothing written on a line, just a ">" |
| 17:12.04 | abyss | i have a ati rage 128 but stands not i the list |
| 17:12.04 | AdrianLP | stew: Was that useful? You saw the web address? |
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| 17:12.07 | Zap-W | anyone here using horde imp4 with debian? |
| 17:12.23 | foo | antgel: http://pastebin.com/340933 |
| 17:12.24 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 17:12.24 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 17:12.30 | Zap-W | where is this horde3 web configuration |
| 17:12.33 | Eulex | noux, I don't know what you mean, but what did md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum - say? |
| 17:12.44 | stew | AdrianLP: yeah, it does not appear that swap was the problem if it started up slowly this time, greycat is correct that you should be worried about swap out, not swap in |
| 17:13.19 | AdrianLP | stew: Oh, I saw his comment about swap in, didn't understand that to mean to worry about swap out. |
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| 17:13.39 | antgel | foo: let's try something. look for the line class "network" module "orinoco_cs" and delete the _cs |
| 17:13.44 | AdrianLP | Ok, I'll try antgel's suggestion of another WM, and see how it goes. |
| 17:13.48 | noux | Eulex, bash: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4: Permission denied |
| 17:13.49 | noux | diff: opérande manquante après « /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum » |
| 17:13.49 | noux | d |
| 17:13.51 | foo | antgel: ah, I see where you're going with thi |
| 17:13.52 | greycat | 13:08 greycat> you're not thrashing unless you have "swap *out*" activity |
| 17:14.14 | foo | device "com20020_cs" |
| 17:14.15 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:14.23 | foo | antgel: ^ delete _cs? |
| 17:14.24 | AdrianLP | greycat: Ah, it wasn't prefixed to me, I likely didn't realise it was to me, or did not see it. |
| 17:14.32 | foo | device "orinoco_cs" |
| 17:14.32 | foo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:14.34 | Eulex | noux, ah, I forgot that -- what does lsattr /etx/X11/XF86Config-4 say? |
| 17:14.35 | foo | antgel: No, that one. |
| 17:14.37 | antgel | foo: delete it on the orinoco one |
| 17:14.44 | antgel | foo: next line |
| 17:14.49 | mohkohn | Should I disable hotplug? |
| 17:14.49 | AdrianLP | greycat: I seem to have no swap out activity at all. |
| 17:14.57 | antgel | foo: not the line with the # |
| 17:15.01 | foo | antgel: Do I need to reload that config? or should I just save it? |
| 17:15.02 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 17:15.10 | noux | Eulex, nouxlinux:/home/noux# lsattr /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:15.10 | noux | ----------------- /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 17:15.13 | Shadowcat | I feel sorry for all the people attempting to upgrade to XOrg right now |
| 17:15.17 | noux | Eulex, nothing more |
| 17:15.22 | Shadowcat | they have no idea of what they're getting into |
| 17:15.32 | dev_null | hmmm |
| 17:15.37 | Eulex | noux, I dunno -- I gotta go now for a while, back later -- hope someone else can help you, cos I completely dunno |
| 17:15.39 | antgel | foo: save it, /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart. see what the log says. you may need to reboot as you can't remove the modules that you inserted before. |
| 17:15.39 | dev_null | for me xorg is running just fine |
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| 17:16.29 | AdrianLP | greycat: In which case, what is thrashing, how is it cured? |
| 17:16.33 | noux | Eulex, erf okaaay :) thanks a lot man ! |
| 17:16.36 | foo | Aug 18 20:16:41 localhost cardmgr[3496]: unsupported card in socket 1 |
| 17:16.36 | foo | Aug 18 20:16:41 localhost cardmgr[3496]: product info: "Lucent Technologies", "WaveLAN/IEEE", "Version 01.01", "" |
| 17:16.39 | foo | Aug 18 20:16:41 localhost cardmgr[3496]: manfid: 0x0156, 0x0002 function: 6 (network) |
| 17:16.43 | foo | antgel: That's all I get now when I insert the card. hmm |
| 17:16.45 | antgel | AdrianLP: overuse of swap |
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| 17:17.01 | antgel | AdrianLP: cure is more ram |
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| 17:17.45 | AdrianLP | antgel: Ok, thank you. Could that possibly mean I have too little RAM to use with both KDE and my apps, and that using a lighter WM might still solve the issue? |
| 17:17.46 | antgel | foo: better. doesn't show in ifconfig? |
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| 17:18.01 | antgel | AdrianLP: for the umpteenth time, yeah baby :) |
| 17:18.20 | AdrianLP | antgel: How much does KDE need? I'm not running too many apps on top of it. |
| 17:18.36 | antgel | AdrianLP: lots. i don't think you understand. |
| 17:18.37 | foo | antgel: No |
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| 17:18.55 | AdrianLP | antgel: I don't know what "lots" means. 2gb, 1gb, 512, 256...? |
| 17:19.04 | antgel | foo: try a reboot. it's possible that the way that the module was installed before was no good. |
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| 17:19.26 | antgel | AdrianLP: well clearly more than you have. perhaps #kde can help. |
| 17:19.27 | defcon8 | anyone wanna play go on yahoo? |
| 17:19.33 | foo | antgel: Tried. No go |
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| 17:19.35 | foo | Oh, wait |
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| 17:20.06 | foo | antgel: hmm ,yeah, nothing in the logs. I wonder if I should load orinoco_* again |
| 17:20.21 | Loof | Odd little question... anyone know if there is a driver of any sort that would allow an MS windows client to recieve a (twain?) stream off a v4l device? Basically, to have it show up under windows as if captured from a local input/camera. |
| 17:20.22 | antgel | foo: reboot. you can't unload the modules that you loaded. |
| 17:20.46 | Inflicted | Hi all! What's the default 'root' password for MySQL - on a clean/fresh install of Debian 3.1 Sarge? |
| 17:20.57 | cat | Inflicted: no password |
| 17:21.06 | mohkohn | I am still stuck on the Sarge install. I get to Starting hotplug subsystem pci Linux agpgart interface....then it locks up. |
| 17:21.08 | Loof | For scanning I've got sanetwain... and that works well |
| 17:21.14 | Loof | but I want something similar for video |
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| 17:21.37 | foo | antgel: I already did. HMm, I've have to go. Got my Network Security and Firewalls class. I'll be back in 4 hours. Maybe see you then. Thanks for everything! |
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| 17:21.52 | Inflicted | cat: What command do I type to change the MySQL password for 'root'? Because I'm assuming that could be a secrity threat, right? |
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| 17:22.28 | cat | Inflicted: not really go to mysql |
| 17:22.31 | cat | # |
| 17:22.36 | Loof | Hmm, anyone have any ideas? |
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| 17:22.50 | Loof | Even if it is a better place to look for it... |
| 17:22.50 | the13th_ | Inflicted: > by default the root-login into sql is only available from localhost |
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| 17:22.54 | the13th_ | so: not really |
| 17:22.57 | Loof | I havn't found anything that comes close to what I need. |
| 17:23.10 | antgel | foo: you didn't reboot since changing that file, doh. if no joy, try changing the /etc/pcmcia/config back to how it was, add the line alias orinoco_cs orinoco to /etc/modules.conf, and do an /etc/init.d/pcmcia restart |
| 17:23.35 | AdrianLP | antgel: In true Linux style, avaurus, of #kde, says they ran KDE with 192mb, and it ran just fine. |
| 17:23.45 | Inflicted | the13th_: Oh OK - because I want to have 'phpmyadmin' on the box, and I don't want users logging in with 'root'. |
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| 17:24.09 | foo | antgel: I did reboot since I changed that file. g2g - late |
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| 17:24.25 | the13th_ | Inflicted: > if you use phpmyadmin you can even change the root-pw over the phpmyadmin gui thingie |
| 17:24.27 | antgel | AdrianLP: he might have less virtual desktops, whatever. i might be wrong, but it's worth a shot |
| 17:24.38 | the13th_ | it can be found under permissions i think |
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| 17:24.40 | Inflicted | the13th_: excellent! thanks |
| 17:24.40 | nono31 | Exists a program that save in text file all keys types on the keyboard? |
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| 17:25.00 | antgel | AdrianLP: it's one thing to run kde, it's another to run kde, firefox, openoffice and g-d knows what else |
| 17:25.13 | the13th_ | nono31: > what you are looking for is a keylogger |
| 17:25.17 | Jon | hi all. following the sarge installation manual to try and boot debian-installer from USB flash device. zcat the boot image, copy a .iso; but I get 'cannot boot'. manual suggests 'install-mbr /dev/sda' (where sda in this case is the flash disk). Ok, now I get a cryptic MBR: prompt... |
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| 17:25.20 | arturaz | gw:/etc/firewall/fwscripts# ifdown tun6to4 |
| 17:25.21 | AdrianLP | antgel: I'm going to try Blackbox or PLWM. I just like KDE because with no fuss or muss it has dekstop icons, a taskbar, it autopopulates the menus with new programs I install, and I'm used to it. |
| 17:25.22 | arturaz | ifdown: interface tun6to4 not configured |
| 17:25.24 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: they also have a new gui thats handy for changing mysql versions and rehashing the passwords |
| 17:25.24 | the13th_ | use google |
| 17:25.27 | arturaz | gw:/etc/firewall/fwscripts# ifup tun6to4 |
| 17:25.30 | arturaz | ifup: interface tun6to4 already configured |
| 17:25.32 | arturaz | wtf? :)) |
| 17:25.33 | nono31 | the13th_: yeap a keylogger |
| 17:25.34 | AdrianLP | antgel: I'm running nothing more than I do in windows with the same amount of ram. |
| 17:25.44 | antgel | AdrianLP: in debian, all WMs should populate the menu upon install |
| 17:25.53 | Laibsch | Hi! Does andybody here use ifrename successfully to hard-wire the relation between device names and ethernet cards regardless of in what order these cards are brought up during the boot-up? |
| 17:25.56 | antgel | AdrianLP: oh, do you have 4 virtual desktops in windows? |
| 17:26.00 | stew | AdrianLP: another thing to try is to create a new user, log in as that user and try to run openoffice and see if you get different results. Last weekend i helped a friend that was having similar issues ant it tunred out to be some dockapp that he was using that was the culprit |
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| 17:26.22 | stew | AdrianLP: (creating a new user would get you a fresh kde config without touching yours) |
| 17:26.28 | Magnus-swe | arturaz: danger will Robinson, danger.. :) |
| 17:26.39 | arturaz | huh? :)) |
| 17:26.40 | stew | AdrianLP: my friend had installed some dock that was like the mac thingy at the bottom of osx |
| 17:26.41 | abyss | the xserver says no screens found with ati driver (ati rage 128) anyone can help? |
| 17:26.42 | blikar | hello |
| 17:26.45 | AdrianLP | antgel: No, but on the other hand, I'm not running anything in those other 4 virtual desktops. |
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| 17:26.48 | Magnus-swe | arturaz: from some movie |
| 17:26.56 | antgel | !tell abyss about drxx |
| 17:27.06 | the13th_ | hmm - I'm using mostly 3 of them |
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| 17:27.09 | Magnus-swe | arturaz: best investigated though |
| 17:27.12 | zapada | ubuntu or debain? |
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| 17:27.30 | streuner_ | abyss: what does 'lspci -v | grep VGA' say? |
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| 17:27.31 | antgel | AdrianLP: do you think that means they don't take up any memory? |
| 17:27.49 | the13th_ | 1 for bittorrent stuff as I collect distributions like mad, one for general inet-stuff like chat, im and stuff and one for officestuff like writing, scanning, printing |
| 17:27.52 | blikar | erm, I have no sound with sarge under kernel 2.6.8-2, but it works normally with the same distro with kernel 2.4.27 |
| 17:27.57 | AdrianLP | antgel: 256mb of memory? |
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| 17:28.07 | abyss | streuner_ one moment |
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| 17:28.18 | blikar | volume control gives the following errror: Sorry, no mixer elemtn |
| 17:28.25 | nono31 | Could base-config upgrade be broken? |
| 17:28.29 | blikar | volume control gives the following errror: Sorry, no mixer elements and or devices found |
| 17:28.35 | cat | blikar: did you do adduser user audio? |
| 17:28.36 | AdrianLP | antgel: But seeing an icon moving on one desktop, moves them all, they don't seem to be separate entities. |
| 17:28.41 | streuner_ | blikar: usually when you doesn't load the module (sound) |
| 17:28.42 | mohkohn | How do I stop this pci thing locking up my laptop? |
| 17:28.43 | antgel | AdrianLP: i don't understand why you are continuing this. just suck it and see instead of speculating |
| 17:28.49 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: there_can ! be_only_one :) |
| 17:29.00 | antgel | AdrianLP: that's probably some sort of sticky option. i don't know. |
| 17:29.05 | streuner_ | blikar: load the module for your soundcard |
| 17:29.06 | AdrianLP | antgel: The only thing that changes in my virtual desktops is the programs displayed on the taskbar. |
| 17:29.24 | the13th_ | Magnus-swe: > huh? :-/ |
| 17:29.27 | blikar | steuner: snd module is running |
| 17:29.33 | antgel | AdrianLP: in the time that we have been discussing this, you could have done aptitude install blackbox and seen for yourself |
| 17:29.36 | Magnus-swe | arturaz: see the fun instead |
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| 17:29.42 | the13th_ | did i miss something? |
| 17:29.46 | abyss | streuner_ 0000:00:10.0 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 RL/VR AGP |
| 17:29.49 | AdrianLP | antgel: I do have black box installed. |
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| 17:30.02 | blikar | streuner: check #flood for the lsmod output |
| 17:30.02 | antgel | AdrianLP: well, even less time then. |
| 17:30.06 | streuner_ | abyss: do what somebody told you !drxx |
| 17:30.16 | abyss | !drxx |
| 17:30.16 | dpkg | i guess drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] # Run it as root! if you have edited the X config files by hand or used a tool such as xf86config also ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 17:30.42 | abyss | streuner_ i already done twice |
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| 17:30.53 | abyss | but not drivber seems to work |
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| 17:31.01 | smo_ | hi |
| 17:31.06 | streuner_ | abyss: check out /var/log/XFree*.log for 'EE' errrors |
| 17:31.17 | smo_ | where are $PATH infos written??? |
| 17:31.19 | streuner_ | abyss: s/errrors/errors/ |
| 17:31.27 | abyss | streuner_, no screens found |
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| 17:31.57 | green_earz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:31.58 | Magnus-swe | the upcoming release, almost totally recoded.. for those who know things etc.. im interrested in comments for improvements if you have the time http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gproftpd/devel/gproftpd-8.2.3-beta5.tar.gz |
| 17:32.04 | AdrianLP | antgel: Very well, off to experiment. But please note in this time that I have no tested blackbox, I have learned a great deal with I have saved. |
| 17:32.07 | abyss | streuner_, cannot read V_BIOS (5) |
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| 17:32.29 | abyss | streuner_ im using a ppc lemon |
| 17:32.32 | blikar | green_earz: there is no /dev/dsp |
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| 17:32.33 | stew | AdrianLP: try a fresh kde config first (new user) |
| 17:32.42 | AdrianLP | stew: Ok. |
| 17:32.51 | streuner_ | abyss: ATI Rage 128 works like a charm in xfree or xorg in debian... |
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| 17:33.06 | mohkohn | I have updated my tale of woe :( http://www.debianhelp.org/index.php?module=pnForum&func=viewtopic&topic=9617&start=0#pid41028 |
| 17:33.20 | the13th_ | streuner_> it even did work about 3 or 4 years ago afair |
| 17:33.43 | green_earz | blikar: so it look like the driver is not installed ? install modconf and track down your sound driver |
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| 17:33.46 | streuner_ | the13th_: sure |
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| 17:34.08 | Magnus-swe | blikar: dsp1 ? |
| 17:34.15 | the13th_ | i even used it easily under slackware - and I HATE slackware as workstation distribution |
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| 17:34.30 | streuner_ | blikar: what kernel do you use? |
| 17:34.33 | blikar | Magnus-swe: nothing starts on ds* in /dev |
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| 17:34.38 | streuner_ | blikar: cat /proc/version |
| 17:34.44 | blikar | green_earz: I will try |
| 17:34.49 | blikar | 2.6.8 |
| 17:35.01 | streuner_ | blikar: did you try 'alsaconf'? |
| 17:35.11 | abrotman | mohkohn: you tried 2.4 and 2.6? |
| 17:35.20 | streuner_ | blikar: that's NOT the full output of the command i gave you... |
| 17:35.23 | the13th_ | debian packaged-kernel? or self-i-dont-know-what-i-do-made ? |
| 17:35.23 | abrotman | mohkohn: and what cpu/how old ? |
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| 17:35.42 | blikar | Linux version 2.6.8-2-686 (horms@tabatha.lab.ultramonkey.org) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-12)) #1 Thu May 19 17:53:30 JST 2005 |
| 17:35.55 | the13th_ | hmmm - soundcard? |
| 17:36.03 | the13th_ | properly installed alsa packages? |
| 17:36.12 | the13th_ | rerun alasaconf? |
| 17:36.14 | blikar | sound works with the 2.4.27 kernel |
| 17:36.23 | streuner_ | blikar: apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 17:36.29 | the13th_ | thats no answer to any of my three question :-/ |
| 17:36.36 | streuner_ | blikar: and just run 'alsaconf' as root |
| 17:36.36 | sbk | Have a silly question about backup schedules. I (think!) I understand how the tower of hanoi idea works, but I'm perplexed by its claim to "longer backup archives". As I understood it, it does have "old" backups, but they are only snapshots of the filesystem at (say) 1024 days in the past, rather than a way to recover to any arbitarary date within the last 1024 days |
| 17:36.48 | Magnus-swe | blikar Magnus-swe: "nothing starts on ds* in /dev" so youre no newb is what youre indicating.. otherwise yould have had "such a ~device" .. so why not google ? |
| 17:36.52 | abyss | streuner_ ,what that means? |
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| 17:37.30 | abyss | exist a german debian channel? |
| 17:37.33 | streuner_ | abyss: use a object in your sentence, my crystal-thingie is in low stat |
| 17:37.35 | the13th_ | yupp |
| 17:37.36 | Eulex | !de |
| 17:37.36 | dpkg | i guess de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 17:37.42 | blikar | Magnus-swe: i'm lazy, mea culpa :D |
| 17:37.42 | the13th_ | #debian.de |
| 17:37.50 | the13th_ | sind aber gerne sehr sehr unfreundlich ;) |
| 17:37.54 | Magnus-swe | blikar: Fotat0e :) |
| 17:38.03 | blikar | :) |
| 17:38.05 | abyss | :/ |
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| 17:38.28 | mohkohn | abrotman, Celeron M 330 1.4 GHz |
| 17:38.36 | abrotman | mohkohn: sata ? |
| 17:38.40 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: warum ? |
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| 17:38.44 | Eulex | noux, I'm back, and I got a few more ideas. what does ls -al /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 say? also, tried running fsck? may be a corrupt file system... and what file system do you use? |
| 17:38.58 | the13th_ | Magnus-swe: > naja - hier wird sich nicht gar so schnell über anfä |
| 17:39.02 | the13th_ | nger lustig gemacht |
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| 17:39.17 | the13th_ | so - nu aber genug deutsch - sonst krieg ich noch einen auf die mütze |
| 17:39.19 | mohkohn | I'll plead ignorance. whats a sata? Can I find out with lspci -v? |
| 17:39.28 | abrotman | mohkohn: it's a laptop ? |
| 17:39.33 | mohkohn | yes |
| 17:39.39 | the13th_ | mohkohn: > what exactly do you want to know? |
| 17:39.39 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: was sagst du ? =) |
| 17:39.47 | mohkohn | http://v2.webdistrib.com/(7465273e62b0f6e7)/cat/HP-Pavilion-ze4918EA-Celeron-M-330-1-4-GHz-RAM-256-Mo-DD-40-Go-DVD+RW-Modem-Res-EN-Fast-EN-802-11b-802-11g-Win-XP-Home-15-TFT-XGA-1024-x-768--__p_161028.html |
| 17:39.56 | mohkohn | Looks like that. |
| 17:40.02 | karsten | mohkohn: serial ata. New disk stuff. GIYF. |
| 17:40.11 | AdrianLP | stew, Ok, as you requested that I try first, I made a new user and logged in. When KDE asked me, I went to be about 50/50 eye candy/performance. I ran open office, and it took 43 seconds for OO to open and display a new empty document. |
| 17:40.16 | the13th_ | Magnus-swe: > learn german ;) |
| 17:40.20 | mohkohn | http://www.debianhelp.org/index.php?module=pnForum&func=viewtopic&topic=9617&start=0#pid41028 This is the story so far. |
| 17:40.22 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: hast du angst fur den kanalen :P |
| 17:40.28 | the13th_ | its a world-language *cough cough* |
| 17:40.31 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: No way, ik the gut |
| 17:40.32 | Morti | How do I set module options in /etc/modules? |
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| 17:40.41 | the13th_ | your grammar sucks ;) |
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| 17:40.49 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: Learn Swedish and be L33t |
| 17:40.52 | abrotman | mohkohn: i don't speak spanish :) |
| 17:40.57 | abrotman | or french :) |
| 17:41.00 | the13th_ | Magnus-swe: > lol |
| 17:41.02 | mohkohn | Thats how I feel to the13th_ |
| 17:41.04 | AdrianLP | stew, I guess we can safely rule out the doc-app problem. Now I'll try blackbox. |
| 17:41.13 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: <- german t00l :P / joke |
| 17:41.23 | abrotman | mohkohn: have you tried the 2.4 and 2.6 installers ? |
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| 17:41.41 | abrotman | !fuck XO |
| 17:41.43 | kenzobionico | hello |
| 17:41.55 | Magnus-swe | lol |
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| 17:42.09 | mohkohn | The debianhelp link might be the most useful. Yes. I have tried linux26 expert26 and linux24 and expert24 |
| 17:42.15 | Magnus-swe | the13th_, youre wlcome though |
| 17:42.34 | the13th_ | damn masochist ;) |
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| 17:42.41 | mohkohn | This laptop installs fedora and ubuntu and SUSE no problem. |
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| 17:42.54 | Magnus-swe | the13th_, not a wintendos in sight, thank you very much |
| 17:42.57 | mohkohn | But I would like to have debian. |
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| 17:43.07 | Exit83 | hello, i cant get my dma to work. I used hdparm -d1 /dev/hda (as root) and it said operation ot permitted, i got a new kernel so i thought it must be something i missed there but i really cant seem to find the problem, is anybody willing to pinpoint the problem pls |
| 17:43.11 | the13th_ | if you can install bugbuntu you shouldnt have problems with debian |
| 17:43.14 | abrotman | mohkohn: moment |
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| 17:43.27 | mohkohn | ok |
| 17:43.32 | sciboy | Hiya, i got a bunch of applications depending on libcurl2, even though they will run with libcurl3, how can i get apt to ignore the fact the applications dependencies have libcurl2 in it and just install them? |
| 17:43.36 | the13th_ | Exit83: > whats the kernel you are using? |
| 17:43.38 | Magnus-swe | the13th_: you have problem with the zotob ? :) |
| 17:43.42 | Exit83 | mohkohn: i had problems also with debian, what happens if you try to boot from CD? |
| 17:43.49 | blikar | oki, I hava alsa utils |
| 17:43.56 | Exit83 | the13th 2.6.12.5 |
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| 17:43.58 | abrotman | mohkohn: are you deadset on sarge? |
| 17:44.19 | Magnus-swe | SOBoTob haha |
| 17:44.37 | the13th_ | Exit83: > iirc the 2.6.12 ide stuff is broken - look in your system log |
| 17:44.41 | Magnus-swe | son of a beep out of bounds |
| 17:44.43 | mohkohn | Am I better downloading a sid iso? |
| 17:44.47 | the13th_ | uhm - udev |
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| 17:44.52 | abrotman | mohkohn: let me get you a url to try |
| 17:44.53 | blikar | oki, seems sound is working |
| 17:45.00 | Exit83 | the13th so its better to get the 2.6.11 kernel then |
| 17:45.03 | mohkohn | ok I'll have a look |
| 17:45.12 | the13th_ | mohkohn: > if you don't get sarge working you won't get sid running |
| 17:45.13 | blikar | it however only reloaded the same set of kernel modules |
| 17:45.20 | maher | mohkohn: if you can boot to an ubuntu live cd why not install using debootstrap |
| 17:45.22 | the13th_ | Exit83: > thats what I did - yes |
| 17:45.25 | Exit83 | the13th which log shoul i look into exactly |
| 17:45.29 | the13th_ | and apt-pinned udev |
| 17:45.34 | nono31 | someone knows where keymap are? (to use with lkl) ? |
| 17:45.40 | mohkohn | maher |
| 17:45.50 | Magnus-swe | .. r/share/kbd/keymaps |
| 17:45.53 | Magnus-swe | usr |
| 17:45.53 | Exit83 | the13th whats apt-pinned ?? |
| 17:45.53 | mohkohn | That may be an idea. Just never done it before |
| 17:46.03 | blikar | many thanks to all that helped :) |
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| 17:46.19 | Zap-W | how is teh HTTP_Request library called in debian |
| 17:46.29 | Magnus-swe | thank you, now take a bow before your master :P .. okies, time to stop |
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| 17:46.47 | Magnus-swe | lol |
| 17:46.53 | the13th_ | try dmesg |
| 17:46.58 | blikar | ^_^ |
| 17:47.06 | Magnus-swe | !yey! |
| 17:47.06 | mohkohn | maher wouldn't I come to the same thing when I do my first boot into the new operating system? |
| 17:47.20 | the13th_ | Exit83: > to pin a package to a version and therefore allow apt to downgrade |
| 17:47.22 | maher | mohkohn: maybe - try different kernels till you find one that works |
| 17:47.32 | nono31 | Magnus-swe: this dies does not exists... |
| 17:47.41 | the13th_ | with this feature you can even downgrade a sid to sarge |
| 17:47.46 | the13th_ | (most times...) |
| 17:47.51 | Exit83 | the13th why is that needed for udev? |
| 17:47.55 | Magnus-swe | nono31, have you the b0ng! :) |
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| 17:48.25 | Magnus-swe | nono31, i might just have the ping for your pong /joke |
| 17:48.33 | nono31 | there is /usr/share/keymaps/i386/qwerty/defkeymap.kmap.gz |
| 17:48.34 | graeme | mysqld isn't starting: it gives me an errcode: 13 and says it can't find '/var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index |
| 17:48.45 | Magnus-swe | nono31: neat |
| 17:48.58 | Magnus-swe | nono31: the US one |
| 17:49.02 | abrotman | mohkohn: if you're willing to install etch/testing you could try a daily |
| 17:49.11 | nono31 | Magnus-swe: how I do ? |
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| 17:49.44 | graeme | does mysqld run chrooted by default? |
| 17:49.45 | Magnus-swe | nono31: have nothing else, reinstall enable_languages=all |
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| 17:50.00 | asdsadads | hi all |
| 17:50.01 | mohkohn | I'll try anything once! |
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| 17:50.11 | nono31 | Magnus-swe: huh?! did not get |
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| 17:50.21 | the13th_ | Exit83: > http://pastebin.com/340966 < look here |
| 17:50.27 | Magnus-swe | nono31: dont you have any other keymap ? |
| 17:50.29 | asdsadads | why ldd /sbin/discover gives me: not a dynamic executable? |
| 17:50.46 | asdsadads | vi /sbin/discover show me that start with elf |
| 17:50.58 | abrotman | mohkohn: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050818/ |
| 17:51.04 | asdsadads | and is executable i can launch it |
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| 17:51.16 | Exit83 | the1"th i still dont know why its needed :$ sorry if i sound stupid |
| 17:51.19 | Exit83 | the1"th |
| 17:51.22 | Exit83 | the13th |
| 17:51.38 | nono31 | Magnus-swe: br-abnt2.kmap.gz is My map... I need to ungz it? |
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| 17:51.42 | dimir | asdsadads: you don't trust asd? |
| 17:51.42 | dimir | asdsadads: you don't trust ld? |
| 17:51.42 | dimir | asdsadads: because it's statically linked |
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| 17:52.05 | noli | hola amiga |
| 17:52.15 | Magnus-swe | nono31: keymap br-abnt2.kmap.gz (will change after reboot |
| 17:52.17 | Magnus-swe | ) |
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| 17:52.23 | Magnus-swe | brb |
| 17:52.24 | asdsadads | dimir: so it has no dependencies, right? |
| 17:52.38 | noli | que te pasa |
| 17:52.43 | Magnus-swe | Amigo, lieketh the amost! /brb |
| 17:52.47 | dimir | asdsadads: so it does not need anything to work |
| 17:52.53 | Eulex | !br |
| 17:52.54 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 17:52.55 | Eulex | !es |
| 17:52.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:52.59 | asdsadads | ok |
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| 17:53.06 | noli | que eres español |
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| 17:53.18 | the13th_ | Exit83: > it pins udev to the version stated in preferences |
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| 17:53.34 | noli | que eres español |
| 17:53.37 | Exit83 | the13th i see, well, thx for the help |
| 17:53.46 | mohkohn | Thanks abrotman I'll give it a try if all else fails. maher 's debootstrap method netork install intrigues me. Might learn something doing it. |
| 17:53.46 | the13th_ | !es |
| 17:53.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 17:53.48 | Eulex | !tell noli about es |
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| 17:53.52 | mohkohn | So I am googling |
| 17:53.56 | Exit83 | the13th_: ill try the .11 now |
| 17:54.02 | AdrianLP | antgel: Ya, open office does seem to open in about 8 seconds under black box. In KDE it takes about 25 seconds (on my last attempt it took 45 seconds). |
| 17:54.07 | the13th_ | g'luck |
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| 17:54.43 | ec_ | whenever I install a package I get: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: syntax error near unexpected tocken `db_fset'" |
| 17:54.56 | noli | line 59 |
| 17:54.57 | maher | ec_: read the bts |
| 17:55.11 | ec_ | bts? |
| 17:55.14 | maher | !bts |
| 17:55.14 | dpkg | bts is, like, the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 17:55.23 | noli | read the bts |
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| 17:55.26 | ec_ | ok |
| 17:55.27 | greycat | "tocken"? |
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| 17:55.38 | noli | debian |
| 17:55.46 | ec_ | I typed it out manually :) greycat |
| 17:55.53 | greycat | arc1:~$ sed -n 59p /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst |
| 17:55.53 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.58 | ec_ | dont know how to paste in screen yet |
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| 17:56.28 | jroes_ | does does debian support sata directly from the CD? |
| 17:56.30 | jroes_ | I'm getting "no partitionable media error" |
| 17:56.39 | maher | jroes_: depends on the chipset |
| 17:56.42 | jroes_ | is there something I was supposed to do and missed? |
| 17:56.54 | maher | jroes_: are you using the 2.6 kernel? |
| 17:56.55 | valdyn_ | jroes_: hit F1 on the boot screen. |
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| 17:57.29 | asdsadads | where is the xml database of discover? i've readed that is in /usr/share/list.xml but i've no fund such file |
| 17:57.30 | jroes_ | maher: I'm using whatever came with the latest minimal CD on the site |
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| 17:58.05 | maher | jroes_: well f1 will give you instuctions - you probably want to type linux26 at the boot prompt |
| 17:58.06 | jroes_ | trying valdyn's suggestion |
| 17:58.11 | nkuttler | asdsadads: try a dpkg -L discover |
| 17:58.15 | jroes_ | <and maher's now :P> |
| 17:58.46 | mohkohn | Has anybody tried progeny's installer? |
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| 17:59.05 | AdrianLP | Anyone know if Blackbox in Testing is really buggy? I'll have Eterm open, right click on the desktop to open menus to open Xchat. If I double click on Eterm to, I think they call it winshade, both Xchat and Eterm are killed. |
| 17:59.05 | selutha | i made a mistake when i installed this system and selected the wrong video driver for Xfree86. I use it is an intel 82810 chip, its build int to mb. what should i put in for the driver in Xfre86config-4 for that or is there a wiz to detect the correct one? |
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| 17:59.29 | Eulex | !drxx selutha |
| 17:59.30 | dpkg | selutha: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:59.30 | bitshifty | hello |
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| 17:59.57 | Nickolas | Hi all |
| 17:59.57 | sciboy | Gah. |
| 18:00.07 | Nickolas | I'd like to install debian on my system |
| 18:00.08 | sciboy | Trying to install a fake package libmodplug0-fake |
| 18:00.12 | bucky | is Task: file-server deprecated? |
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| 18:00.17 | nkuttler | Nickolas: great |
| 18:00.19 | sciboy | It provide libmodplug0 and depends on libmodplug0c2 |
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| 18:00.26 | Nolius_ | hello |
| 18:00.26 | Nickolas | What distribution of debian do you suggest me for a desktop system? |
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| 18:00.34 | maher | Nickolas: stable |
| 18:00.37 | nkuttler | Nickolas: stable |
| 18:00.41 | maher | sciboy: using equivs? |
| 18:00.45 | sciboy | Its just there to fix some dependency issues, however libmodplug0c2 conflicts with libmodplug0 |
| 18:00.47 | Nickolas | ok, thanks |
| 18:00.48 | sciboy | maher: Yup. |
| 18:00.51 | Eulex | Nickolas, there is just one distro that's named debian, though there are different "editions" or whatever |
| 18:00.58 | bitshifty | i am curious: what are some popular partitioning schemes? |
| 18:01.01 | sciboy | And thus, won't let me install it. |
| 18:01.13 | nkuttler | bitshifty: one big / for a desktop |
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| 18:01.29 | bucky | Eulex, what version of debian are you using? |
| 18:01.29 | sciboy | What do i edit to get libmodplug0c2 to stop conflicting with my fake package? |
| 18:01.29 | maher | sciboy: what error |
| 18:01.43 | Eulex | bucky, testing, why? |
| 18:02.01 | jroes_ | hmm, linux26 and it doesn't recognize the CD suddenly :X |
| 18:02.05 | sciboy | maher: It just says its conflicting and cannot be installed. |
| 18:02.08 | bucky | just wondered... this is the debian channel |
| 18:02.15 | Nolius_ | how many debian cd I need to Download to have a complete debian distribution (I need module-assistant) |
| 18:02.16 | Nolius_ | ? |
| 18:02.19 | sciboy | maher: libmodplug0c2 has libmodplug0 listed as a conflict. |
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| 18:02.27 | stew | Nolius_: cd1 |
| 18:02.34 | Ox12 | hello, How to install MySQL? |
| 18:02.34 | sciboy | maher: I am wondering what i can go and edit to remove that. |
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| 18:02.46 | jroes_ | apt-cache search mysql |
| 18:02.49 | Eulex | Nolius_, or even better, netinstall |
| 18:02.51 | bucky | Nolius_, you don't want to use the net install iso ? |
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| 18:02.57 | Nolius_ | module assistant is not on the first cd |
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| 18:03.06 | maher | sciboy: you can't change a conflicts in a different package with a new package |
| 18:03.07 | Zap-W | horde package is missing a whole lot of files |
| 18:03.10 | Zap-W | of docs |
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| 18:03.22 | nkuttler | Nolius_: get it from pdo, /msg dpkg pdo |
| 18:03.36 | sciboy | maher: I didn't say that, i was wondering where dpkg keeps its DB so i can remove it as a conflict. |
| 18:03.47 | Nolius_ | I will be very happy to use the net install but I have only a wifi card with ndiswrapper module |
| 18:03.52 | Nickolas | Excuse me guys, someone suggested me to install the unstable distribution somedays ago on a forum , why should I install unstable instead of the stable one? |
| 18:03.55 | stew | hmm, i'm suprised module-assistant isn't on the first cd |
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| 18:03.59 | Eulex | Zap-W, file a bug report |
| 18:04.02 | maher | sciboy: if you're having problems with the gcc transition just install old copies of everything |
| 18:04.03 | jroes_ | hmm, so I boot the installation normally and I see "no partitionable drives", I boot it with linux26 and I see "failed to detect cdrom" |
| 18:04.05 | nkuttler | Nickolas: don't install unstable |
| 18:04.08 | valdyn_ | Nickolas: you shouldnt |
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| 18:04.13 | blikar | meh, I need to bug you again |
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| 18:04.28 | Eulex | Nolius_, what about connecting wired? |
| 18:04.31 | sciboy | maher: I'm not! Are you even listening?!!? |
| 18:04.33 | blikar | how do I get battery monitor on my Kde taskbar |
| 18:04.45 | Nickolas | ok, so I'll go on with the stable :) |
| 18:04.49 | Nickolas | Thanks |
| 18:04.50 | Eulex | Nolius_, and ndiswrapper doesn't require module-assistant to build |
| 18:04.54 | sciboy | maher: I'm looking to remove one package from the list of conflicts of another package. |
| 18:05.03 | Ox12 | how to apt MySQL? |
| 18:05.17 | Nolius_ | Eulex yes but it's the easyest way |
| 18:05.20 | nkuttler | Ox12: apt-cache search mysql, as you have been told, then man apt-get |
| 18:05.22 | maher | sciboy: you can only do that by rebuilding the package without the confilct |
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| 18:05.35 | green_earz | Nickolas: bookmark this debian doc for reference " Debian Reference" > http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/reference.en.html#contents |
| 18:05.59 | Eulex | Nolius_, just follow the instructions in the README and INSTALL -- shouldn't be too hard |
| 18:06.00 | Nickolas | Thanks :) |
| 18:06.11 | sciboy | maher: I however recall editing a extremely large file that dpkg used, and was able to edit conflicts out of it. |
| 18:06.17 | sciboy | maher: Can't remember which one though. |
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| 18:06.32 | maher | sciboy: do you understand why libmodplug0c2 conflicts with libmodplug0? |
| 18:06.39 | Nolius_ | Eulex, it's not hard but it does not compile with all kernel... |
| 18:06.45 | Zap-W | http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2005/07/msg00131.html |
| 18:06.48 | the13th_ | hmpfn grlm |
| 18:06.58 | maher | sciboy: if you edit the dpkg database by hand don't come complaining here when your system is hosed |
| 18:06.59 | sciboy | maher: Cause they probably provide the same stuff, but libmodplug0 (which i am implanting) is fake. |
| 18:07.09 | Ungy | ok I am unsure as to how to handle this am using sid I upgraded gftp not to long ago and I noticed that the program was quiting on me in the middle of transfers with no notification I am trying to figure out what is causing it so I downgraded to previous version but the error is still occuring |
| 18:07.12 | maher | sciboy: its the gcc transition |
| 18:07.19 | sciboy | maher: I'm not going to complain, but i am looking for help to find the database. |
| 18:07.24 | Eulex | Nolius_, if it fails to compile when compiling the normal way, it will fail when compiling with module-assistant |
| 18:07.28 | Nolius_ | is there a way to know on wich cd is module-assistant? |
| 18:07.39 | Ungy | I want to know tips on figuring out what is causing the error and who the bug shoudl be reported to? |
| 18:08.24 | green_earz | Nickolas: are you a braudband user adsl or cable ? if so have a look at installing debian with the net installer >http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 18:08.28 | mohkohn | maher, this is what you were on about. http://www.inittab.de/manuals/debootstrap.html |
| 18:08.36 | Nickolas | ADSL |
| 18:09.00 | Nickolas | I just downloaded a 40 MB iso |
| 18:09.02 | maher | mohkohn: yes |
| 18:09.08 | Nickolas | That's correct? |
| 18:09.25 | nkuttler | Nickolas: what is it's name? |
| 18:09.31 | mohkohn | I'll give it a go! |
| 18:09.32 | blikar | Nickolas: if you have fast internet that is all that you need :) |
| 18:09.41 | sciboy | maher: Thank you for telling me to just go to /var/lib/dpkg/status, search for "Package: libmodplug0c2" and edit out the conflict. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. |
| 18:09.53 | Nickolas | Official businesscard images for the "stable" release |
| 18:09.54 | green_earz | Nickolas: the net installer cd is about 110 meg in size and the rest of the install is downloaded over the net |
| 18:10.10 | valdyn_ | sciboy: why would anyone do that? |
| 18:10.18 | nkuttler | Nickolas: never used one of them but it should be ok |
| 18:10.22 | SimonRaven | what's emacs' 'dd' ? |
| 18:10.22 | Nickolas | You think I should download this one ? : |
| 18:10.24 | asdsadads | better get the first cd 640mb and have a base system on the cd |
| 18:10.31 | Nickolas | Official netinst images for the "stable" release |
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| 18:10.35 | SimonRaven | (dd from vim) |
| 18:10.51 | sciboy | valdyn_: Dependency issues, which i implanted a fake package to fix, which unfortunately was listed as a conflict by another. |
| 18:10.54 | green_earz | Nickolas: go for the netinst images |
| 18:11.00 | nkuttler | Nickolas: that's the one i use |
| 18:11.03 | sciboy | valdyn_: Removed the conflict, everything is now working beautifully. |
| 18:11.09 | nkuttler | Nickolas: do you know where the install guide is? |
| 18:11.10 | Nickolas | Ok, thanks |
| 18:11.21 | valdyn_ | sciboy: why not just fix the offending package? |
| 18:11.32 | Nickolas | I found it on the debian website |
| 18:11.43 | sciboy | valdyn_: Cause its 4am and i don't even know how to make a deb package. |
| 18:11.44 | selutha | dpkg, that was the command i was looking for thanks |
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| 18:12.27 | Ungy | hmm gftp crashes with no error being reported to the syslog any ideas how I can trap the error |
| 18:12.42 | maher | sciboy: congratulations you have just learnt how to hose your system |
| 18:12.42 | Ox12 | someone help me about this, I am on debian woody box, and I installed phpBB by apt-get install phpbb2, then auto configured it with apache, now how to start building a foum? :\ |
| 18:13.00 | valdyn_ | sciboy: this will probably break on your next apt-get update |
| 18:13.07 | nkuttler | Ox12: by... reading the documentation? |
| 18:13.32 | Ox12 | from where? |
| 18:13.50 | nkuttler | Ox12: btw, there's no phpbb for woody |
| 18:13.55 | valdyn_ | sciboy: an easier ( equally insane ) solution would be to 'dpkg --force-depends -i some.deb' |
| 18:14.01 | Ox12 | lol, no there is! |
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| 18:14.13 | nkuttler | Ox12: /usr/share/doc/phpbb, or phpbb's website even |
| 18:14.20 | nkuttler | Ox12: no official one |
| 18:14.44 | [Gnea] | Ox12: woody is deprecated and no longer supported. |
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| 18:15.00 | nkuttler | there are still security updates |
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| 18:15.18 | Nickolas | Guys, is difficult making a .deb package for a software that isn't already packaged? |
| 18:15.24 | [Gnea] | for phpbb? |
| 18:15.29 | nkuttler | Nickolas: read the new maintainer guide |
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| 18:15.31 | valdyn_ | Nickolas: no, its a one-liner |
| 18:15.34 | Jon | Nickolas: depends very much on the program. the 'new maintainer guide' is the best reference |
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| 18:15.35 | rac | hi |
| 18:15.37 | sciboy | valdyn_: From knowledge, when i next apt-get update, it'll just bitch about the conflict again, atleast then i'll be awake enough to properly fix it. |
| 18:15.46 | Nickolas | ok thanks |
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| 18:15.54 | valdyn_ | sciboy: yea |
| 18:16.16 | Nickolas | and install a package from testing or unstable is possible or is dangerous? |
| 18:16.24 | rac | somebody can test my server at http://formath.game-server.cc |
| 18:16.30 | Nickolas | without upgrading all the system I mean |
| 18:16.32 | Ahm | anyone have any idea why/when a mounted drive could return 'connection refused' in 'df'? |
| 18:16.32 | nkuttler | Nickolas: it may be possible, but don't try |
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| 18:16.41 | Nickolas | ok , got it |
| 18:16.49 | valdyn_ | Nickolas: dependson the package, unstable is more dangerous than testing. |
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| 18:17.20 | stew | Nickolas: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 18:17.35 | stew | Nickolas: thats much safer than just installing the package ^^ |
| 18:17.51 | btsdev | guys... i'm trying to set up a backups server but when i use regular ole 'cp -u -r' over samba if the backup is stopped during the transfer of a file, the partial file is left there and then when i run the back-up again, it doesnt try to update it with the full version of the file because with '-u', cp only checks the date of the source file... is there any way i can make the backups more intelligent and fault-safe than this? |
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| 18:18.08 | maher | btsdev: use rsync |
| 18:18.08 | Nickolas | ok, thanks |
| 18:18.15 | EdibleText | Ahm, is this a mounted network file system? |
| 18:18.19 | valdyn_ | btsdev: use rsync ? |
| 18:18.26 | rac | somebody can test my server at http://formath.game-server.cc |
| 18:18.27 | btsdev | i'm using samba |
| 18:18.30 | btsdev | is that cool? |
| 18:18.30 | Ahm | EdibleText: not at all, just a fuse system |
| 18:18.37 | valdyn_ | btsdev: sure |
| 18:18.39 | EdibleText | Ahm, fuse? |
| 18:18.39 | Ahm | so it's really physical |
| 18:18.45 | r3v | btsdev: don't use cp |
| 18:18.47 | nkuttler | btsdev: look into backuppc |
| 18:18.51 | btsdev | valdyn_: cool; i'll try to use rsync with samba |
| 18:18.53 | btsdev | ok |
| 18:18.53 | Nickolas | wow, that's really amazing! |
| 18:18.55 | btsdev | thanks guys |
| 18:19.03 | Ahm | EdibleText: http://fuse.sourceforge.net/ - filesystem in userspace |
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| 18:19.24 | r2d2_ | Hi, I am having problems with self-compiled kernel under sid |
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| 18:19.37 | valdyn_ | r2d2_: then dont use either of those 2 |
| 18:19.41 | rac | somebody can test my server at http://formath.game-server.cc |
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| 18:19.47 | harpiain | hi, guys! the package base-config on debian-unstable has an error at |
| 18:19.47 | harpiain | Setting up base-config (2.70) ... |
| 18:19.47 | harpiain | /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: syntax error near unexpected token `db_fset' |
| 18:19.47 | harpiain | dpkg: error processing base-config (--configure): |
| 18:19.47 | harpiain | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:19.52 | r3v | r2d2_: what probs? |
| 18:19.59 | r2d2_ | Failed to load ds |
| 18:20.15 | r2d2_ | And cannot see pcmcia card |
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| 18:20.40 | btsdev | valdyn_: oh i just looked at an rsync website.. both pc's need to have it. i'm backing-up a windows machine onto a linux server here; can i still use rsync? |
| 18:20.40 | r2d2_ | Everything else is just fine |
| 18:20.41 | valdyn_ | rac: MATH+CENTER : cours de soutien permanet pour collèges , lycée et supérieur |
| 18:20.52 | nkuttler | btsdev: backuppc |
| 18:20.53 | AdrianLP | Was the plwm package not in the debian package list once upon a time? apt-cache search can't find it, and using google I don't see mention of it on debian.org |
| 18:21.06 | stew | AdrianLP: no it was never packaged |
| 18:21.09 | btsdev | nkuttler: thanks i'll look into that. |
| 18:21.10 | rac | exactly valdyn_ thank u |
| 18:21.10 | r3v | r2d2_: so you probably missed something you needed |
| 18:21.27 | blikar | ahem, which Qt packets are needed for it to work |
| 18:21.29 | stew | AdrianLP: i was going to package it, but then i finally tried ion3 and realized i didn't need to mess with plwm :) |
| 18:21.30 | r2d2_ | That is why I am here to ask you guys |
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| 18:21.41 | AdrianLP | stew: Oh, I thought I remembered seeing it once upon a time. |
| 18:21.44 | valdyn_ | btsdev: that is one feature of rsync that you do not need, you can mount your windows's box share, so you can use rsync on it |
| 18:21.53 | stew | AdrianLP: afaik, no, but check wnpp for an itp |
| 18:21.53 | r3v | r2d2_: did you start with a working confin from /boot? |
| 18:22.03 | stew | AdrianLP: wait |
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| 18:22.13 | AdrianLP | stew: You liked ion3 I guess? Is it a programmer-oriented (everything via shortkeys) desktop too? |
| 18:22.16 | blikar | some compiler still says that Qt is not there, although I have libqt3-dev + libs + headers... |
| 18:22.18 | stew | AdrianLP: i'm totally wrong, there was a package in woody, but there is no longer a package |
| 18:22.19 | r2d2_ | I've grepped all .config file and have not found ds module |
| 18:22.27 | r2d2_ | No, it is new computer |
| 18:22.28 | stew | AdrianLP: yes, and scriptable |
| 18:22.35 | AdrianLP | stew: Ah, that's once I once remembered seeing it. |
| 18:22.56 | AdrianLP | stew: Like PLWM, is it only a basic framework, or does it give a basic working template and examples? |
| 18:23.04 | r2d2_ | I believe I need self-compiled kernel cause it is equipped with transmeta cpu |
| 18:23.08 | valdyn_ | btsdev: rsync /some/file /some/backup ( or similar ) |
| 18:23.10 | bibe | hi all. I am trying kernel 2.6.12 (from linux-image-2.6.12-1-686) on my laptop, which works very well with kernels up to 2.6.11. now the boot process shows some 'codec_semaphore: semaphore is not ready [0x1][0x700300]' and 'codec_read 1: semaphore is not ready for register 0x54' errors. Some googling showed up an ALSA bug, but sound is working ok. How can I find which module affects the registers involved? |
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| 18:23.43 | r3v | r2d2_: how do you not have a working config in /boot, it worked after install right? |
| 18:24.07 | r2d2_ | Yes, that is correct. |
| 18:24.09 | valdyn_ | bibe: wrong channel, you should talk to alsa or kernel devs. |
| 18:24.25 | bibe | valdyn_ : thanks, i'll try there |
| 18:24.38 | r3v | r2d2_: so the config from that working config from install kernel will be in /boot |
| 18:24.59 | valdyn_ | bibe: however, simply searching the lkml for your kernel and soundcard might have a solution already. |
| 18:25.01 | r2d2_ | And I included all in pcmcia section |
| 18:25.04 | valdyn_ | !tell bibe about lkml |
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| 18:25.08 | stew | AdrianLP: no, its a full blown wm |
| 18:25.14 | Eulex | bibe, I get the same thing here -- hasn't affected anything yet |
| 18:25.17 | linerty | hi |
| 18:25.31 | AdrianLP | stew: is it lightweight? I'm going to look for screenshots. |
| 18:25.48 | valdyn_ | !tell bibe about bts |
| 18:25.52 | Eulex | bibe, intel-8x0? |
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| 18:26.03 | Octavian | hi |
| 18:26.18 | bibe | Eulex : yes |
| 18:26.29 | SimonRaven | what's emacs' equivalent to vim's 'dd' ? |
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| 18:27.21 | Octavian | SimonRaven: C-a C-d |
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| 18:27.42 | SimonRaven | oh thank you. you just saved me an hour of work |
| 18:28.00 | Octavian | SimonRaven: just one line in an hour? ;) |
| 18:28.04 | nkuttler | SimonRaven: C-k rather, but that doesn't remove the line, just deletes |
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| 18:28.10 | j_sanchez | hi guys, i need kinda help please!!! |
| 18:28.13 | SimonRaven | it's a LONG line :) |
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| 18:28.25 | nkuttler | SimonRaven: why not just vi the file :) |
| 18:28.26 | r3v | SimonRaven: couldn't vim and dd? |
| 18:28.28 | valdyn_ | !tell j_sanchez about ask |
| 18:28.30 | SimonRaven | j_sanchez: just ask. what's going on? |
| 18:28.41 | j_sanchez | do you know any software for punch clock for linux |
| 18:28.46 | tictac | Hi, I'm on Sarge and I would like to boot without a graphical login ie straight to the console. I know it is runlevels, I just don't know which to use for Debian. |
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| 18:29.01 | nkuttler | tictac: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 18:29.05 | valdyn_ | tictac: debian does not use runlevels for this. |
| 18:29.09 | BourneAgain | I have a question, I try to shutdown desktops that are connected to an exported NFS directory. Do I have to import them with an particular switches set or add something to shutdown to get my systems to shutdown without hanging. Right now they hang if the NFS exported resource is not avalibale. I define the import in fstab. Any help would be appreciated on where to take this. |
| 18:29.11 | tictac | oh... |
| 18:29.16 | tictac | I'm used to slackware |
| 18:29.41 | j_sanchez | do you know any software for punch clock in linux, sorry for my poor english |
| 18:29.45 | j_sanchez | ? |
| 18:29.53 | r3v | j_sanchez: nope, I don't |
| 18:29.55 | gullyfoyle | i did anetinstall and installed x and gnome and all that, but i'm getting error 'cant find display o.o bla bla bla' how do i reconfigure my xserver? |
| 18:30.01 | valdyn_ | j_sanchez: what is punch clock? |
| 18:30.12 | j_sanchez | employee time tracking |
| 18:30.17 | bucky | gullyfoyle, start it as your user |
| 18:30.19 | Octavian | BourneAgain: AFAIK there is no such switch to NFS exports |
| 18:30.19 | r3v | gullyfoyle: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:30.24 | bucky | not root |
| 18:30.34 | gullyfoyle | i did start it as user |
| 18:30.35 | BourneAgain | Octavian: How about imports? |
| 18:30.42 | SimonRaven | tictac: it isn't runlevel.s ask one of the bots about nodm |
| 18:31.02 | BourneAgain | Octavian: Understand, thanks. I am wondering what to do. |
| 18:31.02 | Octavian | BourneAgain: why no place a particular file on the exported NFS dir which is checked through the clients regularly? |
| 18:31.12 | gullyfoyle | r3v, dpkg-reconfigure xserver? |
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| 18:31.37 | valdyn_ | !drxx gullyfoyle |
| 18:31.38 | dpkg | gullyfoyle: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root) || if you have edited the X config file by hand,used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 18:31.57 | gullyfoyle | r3v, thanks |
| 18:32.02 | BourneAgain | Octavian: Yes they all run PVM via a shared directory on the host. I suspect it is because I am importing it as a home directly it is having problems. |
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| 18:32.20 | the13th_ | hmm - darn - anyone that can help me with a usb printer problem and that is not stressed by questions like this? ;) |
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| 18:33.01 | BourneAgain | Octavian: Some notes at a Cal Tech site indicated to run it this way. I am experimenting to see what I can do to fix this problem. |
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| 18:34.08 | SimonRaven | To kill a whole line, when point is not at the beginning, type C-a C-k C-k. |
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| 18:34.36 | BourneAgain | Octavian: I am trying various stuff right now to see what the problem is exactly. I just wanted a general answer like say somehow running a script at shutdown to force a disconnect from the exported resources or something. |
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| 18:34.52 | falco_to1dfoot | in debian sid, where is the exim4 config file, that is actually used? |
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| 18:35.31 | FOR3V3R | help ! how do i verify my sendmail , if it works ? please help me ! |
| 18:35.35 | Usiu | Am I suppose to use doc-base for man pages ?? |
| 18:35.59 | Usiu | I guess no.. |
| 18:36.06 | btsdev | nkuttler: what's the difference of using backuppc over smb vs cron'd cp over smb? cause i don't want to run cygwin on my dad's windows machine |
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| 18:36.19 | EdibleText | FOR3V3R, send an email perhaps? |
| 18:36.28 | FOR3V3R | EdibleText but how ? |
| 18:36.35 | btsdev | nkuttler: (dont want to run cygwin for rsync) |
| 18:36.48 | FOR3V3R | /usr/bin/sendmail but is incomplete |
| 18:36.55 | EdibleText | FOR3V3R, mail FOR3V3R@hellokitty.com (or whatever your email is) |
| 18:37.11 | FOR3V3R | uhmm the command man .. |
| 18:37.13 | BourneAgain | Octavian: I have an idea, I will do a disconnect at at a command prompt before shutdown and see if that corrects the problem. It is amazing. Just asking here sometimes causes me to actually think! |
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| 18:37.53 | EdibleText | FOR3V3R, its called mail. /usr/bin/mail |
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| 18:38.00 | FOR3V3R | ok |
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| 18:38.12 | j_sanchez | do you know any software for punch clock in linux, sorry for my poor englishbye |
| 18:38.14 | Ox12 | is there an easy script to apt-get, that can config apache with php4 and mysql? |
| 18:38.17 | j_sanchez | bye |
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| 18:38.34 | BourneAgain | Also looking into how to get a computer to start via magic packet wake on lan. |
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| 18:38.57 | zepeuga | i've run memtest86+ at 12hours, and i've seen it in test 5, and test 4 more then one time, its it normal to go back in tests ? in that 12hours ? |
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| 18:39.27 | valdyn_ | btsdev: why would you need cygwin to rsync an smb share? |
| 18:39.27 | PerfDave | zepeuga: memtest86+ will run for as long as you leave it running. |
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| 18:39.38 | BourneAgain | Hmmm ... it locks up my screen and everything when I disconnect the server. It is this blasted imported home directory that is locking stuff up. Yick. |
| 18:40.04 | nkuttler | btsdev: backuppc doesn't need cygwin |
| 18:40.05 | btsdev | valdyn_: because everywhere i've read says that if i want to use rsync to back up a windows box i gotta have cygwin on the windows box to be able to do the transfer |
| 18:40.14 | nkuttler | valdyn_: because windows doesn't come with rsync? |
| 18:40.18 | btsdev | nkuttler: backuppc over rsync it does |
| 18:40.20 | valdyn_ | btsdev: you arent trying to backup a windows box |
| 18:40.30 | BourneAgain | I see now there is no way around this, I have to change the way I export and import NFS resources. Dumb me. |
| 18:40.31 | btsdev | valdyn_: yes i am |
| 18:40.31 | valdyn_ | btsdev: you are trying to backup something on an SMB SHARE |
| 18:40.47 | valdyn_ | btsdev: that is local for rsync just as it is local for the 'cp' you already tried. |
| 18:40.52 | btsdev | valdyn_: ohhhh |
| 18:40.57 | btsdev | valdyn_: touche. |
| 18:41.06 | falco_toadfoot | in debian sid, where is the exim4 config file that is actually used? |
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| 18:41.20 | Lanix | hi all |
| 18:41.27 | btsdev | valdyn_: not going to do both backuppc and rsync then... just gonna cron an rsync command. thanks. |
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| 18:41.43 | Ox12 | is there an easy script to apt-get, that can config apache with php4 and mysql? |
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| 18:42.08 | nkuttler | Ox12: there's an easy app to config, it's called vim |
| 18:42.13 | btsdev | lol |
| 18:42.18 | BourneAgain | falco_toadfoot: See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/98 |
| 18:42.47 | sbk | I see a few places which have instructions on running the root file-system read-only -- I'm thinking of doing this primarily to make sure I don't need to backup my "working" set of applications/configuration in case of a crash. Is there a better way to do this? |
| 18:42.58 | Pj_Fan | Hi would anyone be so kind as to assist me with my routing. I currently have two ADSL connections |
| 18:43.15 | sbk | er, make that "dont need to constantly backup" rather than "dont need to backup" :-) |
| 18:43.21 | Pj_Fan | and I would like to route port 80 over a certain ISP |
| 18:43.24 | zepeuga | PerfDave, i have to stop it ?! |
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| 18:43.58 | BourneAgain | Pj_Fan: You want to do a multihomed config for this? |
| 18:44.00 | valdyn_ | sbk: how should makeing a 'filesystem' readonly protect you in case of crash? |
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| 18:44.20 | valdyn_ | sbk: ( if your hardware drive supports h/w write protection that would be something else ) |
| 18:44.53 | PerfDave | zepeuga: You don't have to stop it, but it's not going to do anything other than test your memory over and over again until you do. |
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| 18:45.11 | BourneAgain | Pj_Fan: How familiar are you with IPTABLES? |
| 18:45.23 | zepeuga | PerfDave, so, how can i see if my memory its good or not ? |
| 18:45.33 | sbk | valdyn_: no, that isn't the idea. Basically, I just want to have one full backup of the read-only filesystem, and not need to take any other backups after that |
| 18:45.56 | phellarv | Has anyone problems with 2.6.12 and old HDD's? |
| 18:45.58 | metaperl | !time |
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| 18:45.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Fri Aug 19 18:45:50 2005 UTC |
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| 18:46.21 | valdyn_ | sbk: if you want that, make sure /var and /tmp are not on the same fs, and dont expect that to be of any protection against data corruption in case of crashes |
| 18:46.25 | Pj_Fan | BourneAgain |
| 18:46.35 | Pj_Fan | I think im ok with iptables |
| 18:46.41 | PerfDave | zepeuga: If memtest86+ hasn't detected any errors in 12 hours, it's probably OK :) |
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| 18:46.56 | eka | holas |
| 18:47.00 | zepeuga | PerfDave, ok. If it had detected it would stop ? |
| 18:47.04 | zepeuga | an error |
| 18:47.18 | PerfDave | zepeuga: It wouldn't stop, but it would report the error, I expect. Have you read the documentation for it? |
| 18:47.20 | eka | estoy configurando mi server de sshd y quiero que solo puedan entrar los que tengan PubkeyAuthentication |
| 18:47.24 | metaperl | I really need some help getting ntp to work on my machine... everytime I reboot the gets whacked |
| 18:47.27 | GlingON | hello |
| 18:47.27 | nkuttler | !es |
| 18:47.27 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:47.34 | eka | entonces le puse PubkeyAuthentication yes |
| 18:47.41 | BourneAgain | Pi_Fan: The packet origonates from the host that iptables is on? |
| 18:47.47 | GlingON | Do you need to have x11 installed before you install xorg? |
| 18:47.49 | sbk | valdyn_: yep -- that's the general idea I'm thinking about. Is there a different way to approach this? ie, the goal is to minimize the number of things that I need to backup |
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| 18:47.53 | eka | y le puse PasswordAuthentication no |
| 18:47.54 | zepeuga | PerfDave, no i didn't. I've just put it work |
| 18:48.01 | BourneAgain | Pj_Fan: And you want it to go out via a particular host adapter? |
| 18:48.02 | nkuttler | eka: #debian-es |
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| 18:48.10 | eka | ahh gracias |
| 18:48.18 | eka | sorry all |
| 18:48.23 | PerfDave | zepeuga: Don't you think that it would have been a good idea to read the documentation first? |
| 18:48.26 | Pj_Fan | BourneAgain yes |
| 18:48.27 | BourneAgain | Pj_Fan: For only port 80 and a particular IP address, is that it? |
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| 18:48.47 | Pj_Fan | no |
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| 18:48.57 | valdyn_ | sbk: backup only the files that you changed, and the list of installed packages ( dpkg --get-selections ) |
| 18:49.06 | zepeuga | PerfDave, i've read it only for put it working.. you're right |
| 18:49.09 | Pj_Fan | I was anything for --dport to go out what I mark as 1 |
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| 18:49.49 | rosco | hi |
| 18:49.50 | Ox12 | the phpbb2 package is for sarge only? |
| 18:50.01 | rosco | I got a little problem with my dhcp server |
| 18:50.04 | valdyn_ | sbk: so probably /etc/ and the output of dpkg --get-selections is enough to restore your system. |
| 18:50.27 | rosco | It is installed on a router with 2 interfaces, which have a dhcp int and a fixed ip int |
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| 18:50.38 | Ox12 | the phpbb2 package is for sarge only? |
| 18:50.46 | sbk | valdyn_: ah, interesting. Let me think about that idea as well |
| 18:50.55 | GlingON | I have just installed xserver-xorg, but that startx command does not work. Did I need to have x11 installed first? |
| 18:51.07 | rosco | the problem is that I have to set a subnet for all interfaces, including the dhcp set interface, but I don't have the settings (ip) when I write dhcpd.conf |
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| 18:51.21 | Pj_Fan | <spelling>I want anything for --dport 80 to go out what I mark as 1 |
| 18:51.49 | rosco | In the dhcpd.conf file, I cannot call the interface by "eth0", only by an IP number |
| 18:51.56 | sward | Ox12: Ask dpkg, or apt-cache show: /msg dpkg info phpbb2 sid |
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| 18:52.22 | rosco | Is there a way to disable the dhcp server for the interface that is configured by my isp ? |
| 18:52.27 | valdyn_ | sbk: i recommend this approach: make 1 seldomly updated backup via mondo to a dvd (-set), and regularily backup your own stuff like /etc/ and whatever data. |
| 18:52.42 | PerfDave | rosco: Yes, in the initscript /etc/init.d/dhcpd or whatever it's called |
| 18:53.04 | rosco | perfdave: ok, I check it out |
| 18:53.11 | PerfDave | rosco: But you don't want your ISP-side network to overlap with your LAN-side network |
| 18:53.20 | sfire||mouse | Raid install question. When I try to install debian 3.1 i386, the raid setup procedure seems to go okay, but when it tries to create the file systems, it says it can't be created. On the debug screen, I see "/sbin/tune2fs: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/md/0p1" Any ideas? |
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| 18:53.42 | pepsi_ | hi! kernel-compile question. I could not find the kernel-version I'm interested in, so I downloaded one myself. Question: Can I jump in to the kernel-compile instructions starting from "make-kpkg" ? or do I have to continue to do the kernal-installation manually? |
| 18:53.47 | sbk | valdyn_: yes, that's approximately what I'm doing today [not using mondo, but using a full dump onto a network disk once a month.] |
| 18:53.56 | pepsi_ | I could not find it in apt that is... |
| 18:54.19 | PerfDave | pepsi_: You can use make-kpkg to compile non-Debian kernel sources. Why are you compiling? |
| 18:54.19 | sward | pepsi_: Yes, you can use make-kpkg, if that's what you're asking |
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| 18:55.05 | valdyn_ | pepsi_: im not sure what you are talking about ('jump' ?), you can just use make-kpkg for any kernel source however. |
| 18:55.08 | sbk | valdyn_: have daily incremental backups {which are generally not a problem} but it seemed to me to be silly to keep taking a full dump of more-or-less unchanging filesystems over and over again |
| 18:55.14 | pepsi_ | PerfDave: I bought a sound-card whose driver seems to be included in 2.6.12 but not in 2.6.8 |
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| 18:55.21 | PerfDave | pepsi_: Which sound card? |
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| 18:55.36 | pepsi_ | PerfDave: Soundblaster Live 24 bit |
| 18:55.51 | pepsi_ | sward, valdyn_ thx |
| 18:55.53 | dabar | what was that command to check what program is using a device, such as /dev/dsp? |
| 18:56.22 | thingfish | dabar: you mean lsof | grep /dev/dsp? |
| 18:56.23 | PerfDave | pepsi_: Hmm, are you sure it's not supported in Debian's 2.6.8? |
| 18:56.32 | PerfDave | thingfish: No, dabar means lsof /dev/dsp |
| 18:56.33 | dabar | right, thanks. |
| 18:56.44 | pepsi_ | PerfDave: It should be, but I've run into a bunch of trouble |
| 18:56.52 | Zap-W | do i need some sort of database backend running in order to get IMP horde working? |
| 18:56.58 | dabar | nothing is using it. |
| 18:56.59 | pepsi_ | PerfDave: I dont have the ca0106-module on my harddrive :( |
| 18:57.23 | dabar | yet starting esd in a terminal tells me /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy |
| 18:57.29 | dabar | anyhow, I am nto in debian, so thanks. |
| 18:57.33 | valdyn_ | pepsi_: debians alsa package(s) work with 2.6 kernels too, so you might not need a new kernel, just those alsa packages. |
| 18:57.54 | pepsi_ | valdyn_: I mave installed alsa-base and alsa-utils, what more should I have? |
| 18:57.57 | rosco | perfdave: You was correct, I've disabled the dhcpd for eth0 via the solution you gave me, thanks! |
| 18:58.04 | PerfDave | rosco: Fantastic :) |
| 18:58.28 | PerfDave | rosco: To be honest, if you've got a small local network, you might want to use dnsmasq for DHCP and DNS serving, rather than ISC's dhcpd which tends to be more complicated. |
| 18:58.47 | valdyn_ | pepsi_: module-assistant and kernel-headers-$(uname -r), you can use module-assistant to download, build and install the alsa drivers in one go. |
| 18:58.55 | BourneAgain | ip route add 10.40.0.0/16 via 10.72.75.254 |
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| 18:59.28 | pepsi_ | valdyn_: thx! I'll give that a go |
| 18:59.37 | pepsi_ | PerfDave: thx for your help! |
| 18:59.37 | Anor255 | hi all |
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| 19:00.03 | valdyn_ | debhelper: fuser /dev/dsp |
| 19:00.14 | valdyn_ | dabar: fuser /dev/dsp |
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| 19:00.23 | Anor255 | how can i seting up the dns for squid |
| 19:00.25 | dabar | nothing again |
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| 19:00.26 | PerfDave | Wow, I appear to have /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p :) |
| 19:00.49 | valdyn_ | Anor255: squid uses the same dns as your system |
| 19:01.30 | pepsi_ | valdyn_: how exact should the kernel-headers package name match? I have uname -r = 2.6.8-1-386, is kernel-headers-2.6.8-11 ok to use? |
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| 19:02.16 | greycat | pepsi_: no. |
| 19:02.25 | uski | hi, i am having a weird dependency problem: under sarge, i can't install both udev and alsa-utils ?! how can i know why ? |
| 19:02.30 | valdyn_ | pepsi_: oh, you are running an outdated ( and now unsupported ) kernel, try 'apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386', reboot, proceed. |
| 19:02.33 | greycat | it must be kernel-headers-$(uname -r) unless you're in sid with linux-image instead of kernel-image |
| 19:02.50 | greycat | 2.6.8-1-386 is obsolete (old sarge back in the testing days) |
| 19:02.58 | greycat | upgrade your kernel and then get the matching headers at the same time |
| 19:03.01 | pepsi_ | valdyn_, greycat: ok. |
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| 19:05.29 | itay | hi! |
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| 19:05.50 | signius | Hi guys |
| 19:06.02 | itay | I have some problems with the X server, I can't run a few applications |
| 19:06.21 | valdyn_ | !vagueness |
| 19:06.21 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 19:06.29 | BourneAgain | itay: Related to fonts? |
| 19:06.52 | itay | No, the error is: couldn't find matching GLX visual |
| 19:07.14 | valdyn_ | itay: which X driver are you using? |
| 19:07.19 | itay | nvidia |
| 19:08.01 | BourneAgain | itay: What color depth are you using? |
| 19:08.06 | PerfDave | itay: How did you install your nvidia driver? :) |
| 19:08.15 | abrotman | badly |
| 19:08.19 | valdyn_ | itay: grep nvidia /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 ( or xorg.conf if you're running xorg ) |
| 19:08.21 | abrotman | !il |
| 19:08.21 | dpkg | il was Israel, the home of (among others) Zap-W, shimon|sevenseventy and hackeron, all notable wankers |
| 19:08.26 | signius | I have just installed debian (sarge i think) i need to change the screen resolution to a higher resolution it didnt give me any option to set the resolution on the install on the monitor horizontal and vertical settings how can i change the resolution |
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| 19:08.41 | PerfDave | signius: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 19:08.54 | itay | valdyn_, file not found, I use Xorg |
| 19:09.03 | signius | but before that i wouldlike to upgrade to xorg but i am unsure what apt-source i need to put in the apt source list to enable me to do this |
| 19:09.04 | BourneAgain | itay: The single most common problem for that error is insufficient color depth. Are you running at 256 colors? |
| 19:09.14 | valdyn_ | itay: as i said...: grep nvidia /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 19:09.22 | PerfDave | signius: xorg isn't in Sarge. |
| 19:09.43 | signius | yes i know but i googled a bit and looks possible to upgrade it |
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| 19:09.49 | itay | BourneAgain, how can I check what color depth do I use? |
| 19:09.49 | signius | or is it simply not worth the hassle ? |
| 19:10.01 | valdyn_ | itay: xdpyinfo |
| 19:10.04 | itay | valdyn_, Driver "nvidia" |
| 19:10.44 | PerfDave | signius: It's not worth the hassle. You'll have to either install random third-party packages on your system, or not run stable (and lose security updates), or do a source compile. If you haven't got a definite reason for doing so, I wouldn't bother. |
| 19:10.59 | signius | ok i can live with that |
| 19:11.22 | valdyn_ | itay: also run 'glxinfo | grep direct' |
| 19:11.27 | itay | valdyn_, I need to read "default number of colormap cells" |
| 19:11.36 | signius | ill sort the screen resolution first then tackle the keyboard layout which despite choosing UK on the install its still set it to US |
| 19:11.45 | signius | thanks for the help so far i will return |
| 19:11.47 | itay | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 19:11.48 | itay | Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual |
| 19:11.57 | abrotman | oh no .. not GLX! |
| 19:11.57 | itay | I got the first error a lot of times |
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| 19:12.11 | valdyn_ | itay: so you dont have glx available at all. |
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| 19:12.37 | PerfDave | itay: How did you install your nvidia driver? :) |
| 19:12.49 | valdyn_ | itay: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 19:12.51 | BourneAgain | abrotman: Perhaps Microsoft will contribute DirectX to the open source community :) |
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| 19:13.03 | dabar | sure |
| 19:13.19 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: Instead of crippling OpenGL in Vista? |
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| 19:13.32 | itay | PerfDave, http://ubuntuguide.org/#installnvidiadriver |
| 19:13.38 | abrotman | BourneAgain: hopefully not |
| 19:13.43 | itay | (II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER |
| 19:13.44 | itay | (EE) GLX is not supported with the Composite extension |
| 19:13.52 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: I hear ya, what they did sucks. |
| 19:13.52 | dabar | itay is using ubuntu, it seems. |
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| 19:14.08 | itay | dabar, yep |
| 19:14.13 | PerfDave | itay: #ubuntu |
| 19:14.13 | abrotman | itay: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
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| 19:14.21 | abrotman | itay: what is the version |
| 19:14.30 | itay | abrotman, of what? |
| 19:14.31 | valdyn_ | itay: so, switch off composite, or read the docs and add AllowGLXWithCOmposite accordingly |
| 19:14.37 | itay | 6.8.2-10 |
| 19:14.38 | abrotman | nevermind ... |
| 19:14.41 | abrotman | that's not a version |
| 19:14.46 | PerfDave | itay: You're not running Debian, you're running Ubuntu. No wonder we've had difficulty helping you. Go ask #ubunut for help, they're familiar with the distro you're using. |
| 19:14.50 | PerfDave | #ubuntu even |
| 19:15.00 | rbochan | PerfDave: that was a great typo though :P |
| 19:15.07 | PerfDave | rbochan: Thank you :) |
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| 19:15.24 | rbochan | should register that channel and point it to the other one ;) |
| 19:15.33 | PerfDave | #ubuntoy ;) |
| 19:15.49 | itay | PerfDave, sorry, I thought you can help me because ubuntu is Debian based |
| 19:15.58 | BourneAgain | Yes I fixed my last cluster bug. It was the home directory import that caused Gnome to hang when the export was not avaliable. |
| 19:15.58 | a514 | 2 pcs 1 crossover cable how do i connect? |
| 19:15.59 | PerfDave | itay: Lots of things are Debian-based. #debian is not the place for them. |
| 19:16.01 | valdyn_ | !based on debian |
| 19:16.01 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Lindows, DamnSmallLinux, Ubuntu, Kurumin, Agnula, Xebian, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. You'll get a Debian answer, and if it doesn't work, you're out of luck. Your best option is to join the channel for your distro. |
| 19:16.19 | PerfDave | itay: Ubuntu is very different from Debian, particuarly when it comes to X servers. |
| 19:16.53 | itay | Thank you very much, I will ask in #ubuntu |
| 19:17.09 | abrotman | i'm based on debian .. fix me! |
| 19:17.23 | maher | !fix abrotman |
| 19:17.25 | rbochan | abrotman wants his balls cut off? |
| 19:17.31 | FabParma | i added a network-card pci. im working at runlevel 2. how can i install and configure this card? |
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| 19:18.00 | abrotman | FabParma: open your control panel and run Add/Remove Devices |
| 19:18.07 | abrotman | oh wait .. in debian? |
| 19:18.12 | PerfDave | FabParma: What has your runlevel got to do with it? Plug it in, boot up, add configuration lines in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:18.23 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth |
| 19:18.27 | FabParma | debian sarge init 2 |
| 19:18.28 | abrotman | !tell FabParma about interfaces |
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| 19:18.39 | abrotman | i wish dpkg had tab complete for factoids |
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| 19:18.54 | abrotman | PerfDave: you mean there are more than 3? |
| 19:19.01 | abrotman | erm .. 4 |
| 19:19.18 | PerfDave | abrotman: There's "the one I use all the time" and "single user mode when things fuck up" ;) |
| 19:19.30 | abrotman | PerfDave: you forgot 6 and 0 |
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| 19:19.47 | PerfDave | abrotman: That's because I never dick around with runlevels ;) |
| 19:19.59 | rbochan | PerfDave: I muck with them on my laptop to have different ones for when I use battery, or when I'm not connected to a network |
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| 19:20.20 | abrotman | PerfDave: you don't shutdown or reboot ? |
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| 19:20.29 | PerfDave | rbochan: I will never understand why people dick around with runlevels on Debian ;) |
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| 19:20.49 | PerfDave | abrotman: I do, but I'm only dimly aware that that involves a change of runlevel. It's not visible to me, and I don't need to care about it. |
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| 19:20.57 | abrotman | PerfDave: oh ok |
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| 19:21.26 | signius | :-) well the advanced reconfigure solved both problems |
| 19:21.48 | signius | when you do and advanced option during the install why doesnt it actually give you the advanced options to choose ? |
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| 19:22.10 | PerfDave | signius: It does, if you tell it not to autodetect hardware. |
| 19:22.24 | AdrianLP | What tool would I use in Linux to check a hard drives for bad sectors, damage, and the like? I have an old drive I'd like to start using, but I can't remember why I stopped using it. |
| 19:22.38 | PerfDave | AdrianLP: badblocks (usually called from fsck) |
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| 19:22.49 | signius | does that apply to all the hardware during the install or just the xserver element ? |
| 19:23.07 | AdrianLP | PerfDave: So install badblocks, if its not already, then run fsck against the drive in question? |
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| 19:25.03 | signius | I'm not sure if this is going to be a dumb question or not but is it possible to run any DOS executable programs from within Linux/BSD at all ? |
| 19:25.08 | BourneAgain | In Gnome for Debian I have an about Panel Notification Area ... Copyright 2002 Redhat. |
| 19:25.13 | BourneAgain | What is this about? |
| 19:25.19 | phellarv | signius: dosbox |
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| 19:25.28 | phellarv | signius: wine |
| 19:25.32 | jshoenberger | So, I've got this folder filled with .cgi's, and for each .cgi file I need to touch a .gif . Is there a simple line or two that will do all this for me or do I have to do it all by hand? |
| 19:25.35 | signius | ah that sounds interesting |
| 19:25.36 | phellarv | signius: qemu |
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| 19:25.45 | btsdev | if i'm using stable and i want an unstable package (daapd for itunes server), what should i go about doing? |
| 19:25.46 | dondelelcaro | BourneAgain: RH owns copyrights on quite a few bits of OS software |
| 19:25.50 | ralf | dosemu |
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| 19:26.03 | bucky | signius, mtools will give you some basic dos commands |
| 19:26.12 | bucky | then there |
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| 19:26.13 | signius | i got a dos program i am running at the moment and its real CPU intensive and i got 2 UNIX boxes i could use to do some of the workload if its poss |
| 19:26.15 | dondelelcaro | BourneAgain: just like Debian Developers own copyrights on quite a large amount of software [but it's copyrighted by the individual, not Debian.] |
| 19:26.19 | bucky | always dosemu |
| 19:26.27 | BourneAgain | dondelelcaro: Interesting. |
| 19:26.27 | ralf | most free software is RH and Novell |
| 19:26.28 | nkuttler | btsdev: try backports.org or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:26.37 | r3v | jshoenberger: you could write a bash script pretty easy. you'd need for, ls, basename, and touch |
| 19:26.48 | signius | how much will the emulation slow it down tho and how does the emulation run with SMP ? |
| 19:26.58 | bucky | signius, disk operating system dos or denial of service dos? |
| 19:27.10 | jshoenberger | for * in /my/folder ? Is that the proper syntax? |
| 19:27.21 | signius | DOS DOS and in the command line |
| 19:27.23 | greycat | jshoenberger: for i in /my/folder/* |
| 19:27.24 | bucky | signius, problem is dos is not smp |
| 19:27.26 | signius | as in * |
| 19:27.31 | greycat | jshoenberger: wooledge.org/mywiki/BashPitfalls |
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| 19:27.51 | r3v | jshoenberger: no, for i in `ls *.cgi`. you probably want to man all that I mentioned |
| 19:28.05 | BourneAgain | dondelcaro: I am curious on how to add that seperator back once deleting it :) |
| 19:28.08 | jshoenberger | Thanks. |
| 19:28.24 | BourneAgain | I don't have an option to do that apparently. Or I am blind. Or pehaps both. |
| 19:28.35 | bucky | signius, you could probably come up with a load sharing program that no one but you would be interested in... if your hacking skills are that good |
| 19:28.45 | pattern | anyone know how to convert wma files to ogg, flac, wav, or mp3 ? |
| 19:28.53 | signius | no they arent that good |
| 19:28.56 | greycat | if you convert them to .ogg, we *will* have to smite you. |
| 19:29.15 | greycat | mplayer can probably decode them for you, then you can use LAME to convert the decoded .wav file to mp3 |
| 19:29.28 | signius | if i had a few XP pro boxes about i could distribute the program calculations over them but i dont so thats not really an option |
| 19:29.31 | r3v | greycat: what's wrong with ogg? |
| 19:29.33 | BourneAgain | I see now. Duh |
| 19:29.49 | signius | i guess i will just have to leave it running 24/7 on the box its running on at the moment |
| 19:29.50 | greycat | dpkg: !mp3->ogg |
| 19:29.53 | pattern | greycat, ahh... good idea |
| 19:29.54 | greycat | hmm. |
| 19:30.11 | greycat | dpkg: mp3->ogg |
| 19:30.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, mp3->ogg is a VERY BAD idea. You'll have mp3 artifacts, ogg artifacts, and artifacts because of ogg trying to encode the mp3 artifacts. If you value your ears, rerip your CDs and then encode *that* to Vorbis. |
| 19:30.16 | AdrianLP | Is there any free DVD authoring software for Debian? I have DVD files, but need a way to create menus, chapters, tracks. |
| 19:30.17 | pattern | mp3 has patent problems |
| 19:30.26 | greycat | transcoding has kitten-killing problems. |
| 19:30.26 | BourneAgain | I have one object in life now, to completely piss off the Gnome community by creating yet another branch. |
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| 19:30.39 | phellarv | AdrianLP: dvdauthor |
| 19:30.40 | pattern | what if you like kitten-killing? |
| 19:30.47 | r3v | greycat: he wasn't going mp3 to ogg, he was wma to ogg |
| 19:30.55 | r3v | pattern: that's a good point |
| 19:31.02 | greycat | r3v: that's just as bad. |
| 19:31.04 | pattern | well, they're both lossy formats |
| 19:31.07 | pattern | but i don't care |
| 19:31.08 | greycat | r3v: they are all LOSSY codecs |
| 19:31.29 | BourneAgain | pattern: What you do is put that person in a closet full of cats that have not been feed for a week, turn the lights out, and lock the door. The cats will prevail. |
| 19:31.31 | AdrianLP | phellarv: Cool, thanks. |
| 19:31.32 | greycat | if you produce horrible transcoded oggs and pollute the precious Oggspace, you will burn in hell. |
| 19:31.33 | pattern | i just want to convert, even if there's a degradation in quality |
| 19:31.50 | signius | Its a real shame the program hasnt got a *nix version as i could have had a go at setting a knoppix cluster for a few days to bash some serious CPU usage out |
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| 19:31.54 | greycat | then convert to mp3. there's no expectation of brilliance when someone downloads an mp3. |
| 19:31.57 | pattern | bourneagain, one day... one day |
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| 19:32.20 | BourneAgain | pattern: I love cats myself and wonder who anyone could mistreat animals. |
| 19:32.35 | pattern | greycat, but there're patent problems w/mp3... anyway, i'm not making what i need to convert publically available... so that's not an issue :P |
| 19:32.40 | bucky | i love cats boiled, fried and baked |
| 19:32.41 | r3v | BourneAgain: I hate cats personally... but I don't really mistreat them |
| 19:32.43 | pattern | bourneagain, yeah, me too |
| 19:33.01 | yang | Does anyone know if there is a parisc debian IRC channel? |
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| 19:33.24 | dondelelcaro | yang: probably best to ask the porter list about that architecture |
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| 19:33.40 | FabParma | i added a network-card pci. im working at runlevel 2. how can i install and configure this card? please abrotman avoid to answer me. your suggestions are not welcome to me |
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| 19:33.43 | Ungy | yang parisc? |
| 19:33.59 | SimonRaven | PA-RISC |
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| 19:34.03 | Mjelva | could any of you recommend me a good firewall for debian? compiling myself is probably out of my league, but i still feel unprotected without one. |
| 19:34.05 | dabar | if you like kitten killing, then you should use windows. |
| 19:34.06 | Ungy | ahh |
| 19:34.09 | SimonRaven | it's an arch |
| 19:34.09 | dabar | heh |
| 19:34.18 | r3v | FabParma: edit /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 19:34.24 | BourneAgain | r3v: Maybe your could write a splat cat screen saver then. Where the user tries to kill a cat by clicking their mouse on it and by doing so it erases the home directory, deletes the kernel, and shuts down with the message. You know better then treating me like that! |
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| 19:34.41 | PerfDave | FabParma: I already said. Check it's recognised with "ifconfig -a", then write a configuration for it in /etc/network/interfaces and bring it up with ifup |
| 19:34.43 | pepsi___ | valdyn_: wanted to drop in and say thanx.. it works very well now :) you saved me a lot of time/work :) |
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| 19:34.56 | FabParma | r3v: i have opened the file, but it does not has et0 informations |
| 19:35.09 | r3v | FabParma: eth0, and add it in then |
| 19:35.10 | Ungy | Mjelva what are your specific concerns |
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| 19:35.35 | Mjelva | ungy - i used zonealarm on windows, that gave me pretty much everything i wanted. firewall protection, and antivirus. |
| 19:35.37 | r3v | FabParma: man interfaces used to have decent examples anyways |
| 19:35.55 | greycat | !man interfaces |
| 19:35.56 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
| 19:35.57 | greycat | *ours* does. |
| 19:36.01 | BourneAgain | Mjelva: I use that evil Symnatec product. |
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| 19:36.29 | Mjelva | i'm not sure i'd wanna use that, though. |
| 19:36.33 | Ungy | Mjelva, if you really want one go check out http://www.pandasoftware.com |
| 19:36.48 | btsdev | nkuttler: i've been trying to follow the advice you gave me thru dpkg but i'm not really familiar at all when it comes to backporting (btw the pkg i want is not on backports.org) and so i was having trouble on the first step -- i'm trying to "add a deb-src line for sid to sources.list" but copying and modifying my current deb-src list from 'stable' to 'sid' and "apt-get update'ing" doesn't show the package in the cache :/ |
| 19:36.51 | FabParma | PerfDave: you said "then write a configuration for it in /etc/network/interfaces and bring it up with ifup" i dont know what i have to write |
| 19:36.58 | Mjelva | ungy - you don't think i need one? |
| 19:37.05 | Ungy | Mjelva, although viruses gernearlly have a hard time working when they cannot install themselves |
| 19:37.15 | Ungy | Mjelva you going to run a desktop as root? |
| 19:37.21 | PerfDave | FabParma: "man interfaces" will tell you the format of the file, also check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/ |
| 19:37.26 | Ungy | Mjelva you goign to compile programs as root? |
| 19:37.27 | r3v | Mjelva: f-prot is what I use |
| 19:37.38 | Mjelva | well, i'm told that's a bad idea, so no. no using root for everyday use. |
| 19:37.49 | Mjelva | though it annoys me that i have to log back and forth. |
| 19:37.54 | nkuttler | btsdev: not sure if it should appear, it's a source package... tried apt-get source package? |
| 19:38.00 | BourneAgain | Ungy: I do all the time. SOmeone told me I should not do that. Is there somer reason for this :) |
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| 19:38.08 | PerfDave | Mjelva: You don't have to log back and forth, you should *never* log into your desktop as root, and you should never be allowed to. |
| 19:38.12 | signius | Hmmmm How comes when i do ctrl+alt+backspace to get into a raw terminal does it just dump me back into a gdm login ? |
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| 19:38.28 | Mjelva | PerfDave - logging into the shell, you mean? |
| 19:38.28 | nkuttler | signius: because gdm restarts automagically |
| 19:38.28 | PerfDave | signius: Because that's not what Ctrl-Alt-Backspace does? |
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| 19:38.36 | BourneAgain | PerfDave: Is it really that dangerous? |
| 19:38.36 | PerfDave | Mjelva: Yes |
| 19:38.38 | valdyn_ | signius: that is what its supposed to do, use ctrl-alt-f1 for a raw terminal |
| 19:38.42 | PerfDave | BourneAgain: Yes |
| 19:38.46 | abrotman | !tell FabParma about interfaces |
| 19:38.48 | Ungy | BourneAgain, well thatis how you get viruses |
| 19:38.58 | Mjelva | PerfDave - ok. what's so bad about it, though? is it any worse than being logged into windows as administrator? |
| 19:39.14 | FabParma | thank you guys. i go to try. see you later |
| 19:39.15 | Ungy | Mjelva, you shoudl learn about what su does |
| 19:39.21 | signius | ah ok thanks |
| 19:39.23 | BourneAgain | Ungy: Oh. |
| 19:39.26 | PerfDave | Mjelva: No, it's exactly as bad, and you shouldn't log into Windows as Administrator either, if you can possibly avoid it. |
| 19:39.34 | Ungy | BourneAgain, look into fakeroot |
| 19:39.40 | signius | you have to bare with me i am still pretty green and newbie with linux |
| 19:40.01 | Mjelva | !su |
| 19:40.01 | dpkg | Password: |
| 19:40.11 | Ungy | hahaha |
| 19:40.13 | Mjelva | so, uh... okay |
| 19:40.15 | Ungy | that is awesome |
| 19:40.22 | btsdev | nkuttler: yea and it says it can't find the package... but is copying the line "deb-src http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/ stable main" and changing it to "deb http://lyre.mit.edu/debian/ sid main" the proper way to add a deb-src line for sid? |
| 19:40.33 | Ungy | Mjelva from command line if you type su you can asume root from that console |
| 19:40.54 | Ungy | Mjelva likewise if you wanted to assume the user say backup you woudl do su backup |
| 19:40.57 | btsdev | nkuttler: oops typo .. meant to have the second line say "deb-src".. but same question now.. |
| 19:41.03 | nkuttler | btsdev: if that mirror mirrors unstable it should work, you can still get the source from packages.debian.org |
| 19:41.05 | horse | when I do an apt-get install kernel-sources, where do the files actually get put? All I can find is a tar file in /usr/src |
| 19:41.11 | Mjelva | what do you mean by assume root? |
| 19:41.16 | valdyn_ | horse: that is it. |
| 19:41.35 | BourneAgain | Ungy: thanks, learning stuff all the time. |
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| 19:41.51 | Ungy | Mjelva you can do anythign root does from that console window and when your done you type exit |
| 19:41.54 | valdyn_ | horse: 'dpkg -L packagename' |
| 19:42.04 | horse | thats all? so how does a driver install for nvidia for inctance update the skern src if it is tar'ed |
| 19:42.06 | sward | Mjelva: su - Change user ID or become super-user, kindly provided to me by `man su' |
| 19:42.18 | valdyn_ | horse: it does not. |
| 19:42.36 | horse | ok, so much for Nvidias Howto them :-) |
| 19:42.49 | valdyn_ | horse: a 'driver' has no business in 'updating the kernel source' |
| 19:42.57 | Mjelva | !super-user |
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| 19:43.18 | Ungy | Mjelva, do a "man su" on your console |
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| 19:44.13 | mihai | what's the command to show free space in mbytes ? |
| 19:44.20 | horse | the Nvidia doc tells me the install package needs to update the src files, trouble is the install package cant find the kern src even after i tell it where it is |
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| 19:44.56 | greycat | mihai: man df |
| 19:44.56 | Mjelva | ungy - thanks, i'll read up on that. could you recommend me an msn messenger/icq/aim client while you're at it? |
| 19:45.01 | Ungy | mihai, df -h? |
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| 19:45.08 | valdyn_ | horse: quite sure it does not tell you that, drivers need ( in debian ) the package 'kernel-headers-$(uname -r)' |
| 19:45.13 | Ungy | Mjelva, apt-get install gaim |
| 19:45.20 | Mjelva | thanks |
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| 19:45.34 | valdyn_ | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:45.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nvidia one-liner is apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> |
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| 19:45.41 | thespiritoftal | I want to change the keyboard configuration how can i do that? |
| 19:46.02 | valdyn_ | !keymap |
| 19:46.02 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 19:46.04 | yang | Transfer Files up to 200MB Through Any eMail client! http://www.gogotools.com/ps/pictureshare_2.html hoho ! |
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| 19:46.17 | Lestat | hi |
| 19:46.27 | horse | yes kernel headers is what it needs, but keeps asking me to tell it where the kernel source file is |
| 19:46.41 | r3v | Lestat: hi? |
| 19:46.53 | valdyn_ | horse: which part of the nvidia one-liner is unclear? |
| 19:46.59 | horse | so i point it to /usr/src and it still says it cant find |
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| 19:47.12 | signius | I have got an Epson Laser printer connected to an XP pro box on my LAN is CUPS going to be the best way to get this debian box printing to it ? |
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| 19:47.28 | r3v | signius: yeah |
| 19:47.43 | r3v | signius: in my experience cups is best |
| 19:47.46 | abrotman | signius: smpprint is also an option |
| 19:47.50 | signius | ok i got a feeling i am going to be in for a bit of a headfuck here |
| 19:47.55 | abrotman | wait ... |
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| 19:48.02 | horse | just catching the one liner now |
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| 19:48.24 | r3v | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.51 | ron_ | hello, I got a perl script that I want to run from inittab (to make sure it keeps running), but I don't want it to run as root. Any ideas? |
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| 19:49.50 | abrotman | ron_: run it in a script that does an su -c to another user ? |
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| 19:50.07 | Lestat | how to test if a file exist into a SH script? if [ -e file ] then seem to not work... ? |
| 19:50.17 | horse | cool, i will give it run and see what happens, thx |
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| 19:50.33 | ron_ | abrotman: sounds good... I give it a shot |
| 19:50.58 | abrotman | Lestat: that is right |
| 19:51.09 | abrotman | Lestat: why doesn't it work? |
| 19:51.51 | SimonRaven | Lestat: man test, man bash |
| 19:52.00 | Lestat | no idea... but it is inside a: init {} { (then some line with variable settings) |
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| 19:52.44 | Lestat | I just want to set a variable to "" or "1" depend if a file exist |
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| 19:52.54 | ron_ | abrotman: thanks, works fine!! |
| 19:52.59 | abrotman | ron_: yay |
| 19:53.06 | nkuttler | Lestat: paste your script somewhere |
| 19:53.07 | abrotman | Lestat: you might get more help from #bash |
| 19:54.01 | Lestat | nkuttler: if you know it's the hlds_run script for steam games :) |
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| 19:54.20 | Lestat | abrotman: ok thx will try it :d |
| 19:55.27 | Lestat | will try the test because it is used on that script... |
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| 19:56.46 | signius | whats the difference between running smbd as a deamon or inetd ? |
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| 19:57.51 | abrotman | signius: if it's going to be heavily used .. i'd run it as its own daemon |
| 19:58.00 | Pogopuschel- | signius: smbd will listen all the time whereas inetd manages many services and starts a specific service when it's required |
| 19:58.22 | Pogopuschel- | so smbd will need more performance and is recommended when samba is heavily used |
| 19:59.03 | signius | no it wont be heavily used from this debian box |
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| 19:59.49 | signius | ah right i see |
| 19:59.55 | Pogopuschel- | Yeah, however, smbd won't have great impact on overall performance |
| 19:59.56 | uski | hi, does someone knows why i can't install both udev and alsa-utils simultaneously ? |
| 20:00.07 | Mjelva | what would you say is the "winamp" of linux? which audio player should i get? |
| 20:00.18 | nkuttler | Mjelva: xmms |
| 20:00.30 | signius | inetd will be ok for me then but if it was going t get used alot deamon would be better because inetd would contstantly being starting and stopping otherwise |
| 20:00.42 | Ungy | mjelva I use juke xmms isn't as nice |
| 20:00.47 | Pogopuschel- | right :) |
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| 20:01.21 | signius | this is a pretty low spec machine its a fanless via epia mini itx i just installed debian onto |
| 20:01.24 | Mjelva | unga - the idea isn't that it should look nice. i was just looking for the one that "rules supreme", if you know what i mean. |
| 20:01.31 | sombra | I have a script that: mkdir /1/, How can i replace 1 with 2 when I execute the script? something like: ./script | perl -pe 's|1|2|' |
| 20:01.32 | Mjelva | which one would you say that is? xmms? |
| 20:01.39 | jfa | hi |
| 20:01.40 | nkuttler | Mjelva: i like cplay |
| 20:01.50 | Thunder000 | hello. I have gnome installed. I just installed xfce. but when i type startx from command line after rebooting. I don't get an option to choose gnome or xfce. It automatically choose gnome. how do i let it let me choose ? |
| 20:01.51 | Mjelva | nkuttler - make up your mind! |
| 20:02.13 | Coag | hmm |
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| 20:02.13 | Coag | ok |
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| 20:02.15 | abrotman | signius: if you read man 8 inetd .. it might help you understand |
| 20:02.17 | justin | sombra: you kind of need to edit it before you run it |
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| 20:02.27 | Pogopuschel- | Mjelva: beep-media-player |
| 20:02.28 | _H_ | hi all |
| 20:02.30 | Ungy | Mjelva, it's preferences seriously the multimedia player that rules them all isn't packaged for debian that I know of |
| 20:02.36 | abrotman | signius: inetd running samba can be a performance hit .. so it's up to you |
| 20:02.43 | sombra | justin, I don't want to edit it, cron run this script to make daily backups |
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| 20:02.44 | nkuttler | Thunder000: /msg dpkg xsession |
| 20:02.46 | _H_ | can anyone helpme to put utf8 in my system? |
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| 20:02.56 | abrotman | _H_: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:02.59 | _H_ | i did |
| 20:03.02 | Mjelva | brb |
| 20:03.02 | mankytongue_ | hi all |
| 20:03.08 | sombra | justin, so i would edit the script (just on the run) |
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| 20:03.29 | abrotman | _H_: and you chose it as your default ? |
| 20:03.31 | _H_ | but i use konsole and put now locales and i read this: LANG=es_ES@euro |
| 20:03.43 | abrotman | _H_: you did logout/login/reboot/whatever ? |
| 20:03.52 | _H_ | yes i selected utf8 as default |
| 20:03.53 | sombra | justin, instead of backup the file should be named backup-daily |
| 20:04.07 | _H_ | i restart my computere and its iso |
| 20:04.10 | justin | sombra: maybe you should rewrite the script to not have paths like that hardcoded? |
| 20:04.18 | Coag | cli_negprot: SMB signing is mandatory and we have disabled it. |
| 20:04.18 | Coag | 10613: protocol negotiation failed |
| 20:04.23 | _H_ | the only think changed it framebuffer its utf8 |
| 20:04.29 | Coag | i get that when trying to mount a network share through samba |
| 20:04.33 | Coag | how can i fix that? |
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| 20:04.47 | mankytongue_ | is anyone using mdns on there networks? |
| 20:04.51 | mankytongue_ | *their |
| 20:05.01 | sombra | justin, I have some solutions but I really want to edit the script just when it runs |
| 20:05.05 | abrotman | Coag: maybe query #samba .. sounds a bit more up thier alley |
| 20:05.14 | Coag | ah right thank youn |
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| 20:05.54 | uski | how can i check which version of a package is currently installed ? |
| 20:06.08 | yosi | Which packages do I have to install before i can configure my new kernel source? |
| 20:06.08 | mathieu_ | uski, dpkg -l <package> |
| 20:06.14 | uski | ty mathieu_ :) |
| 20:06.24 | _H_ | LANG=es_ES@euro |
| 20:06.25 | _H_ | LC_CTYPE="es_ES@euro" |
| 20:06.25 | _H_ | LC_NUMERIC="es_ES@euro |
| 20:06.29 | _H_ | etc |
| 20:06.52 | _H_ | i did dpkg-reconfigure locales and selectec utf8 |
| 20:06.57 | _H_ | just that one |
| 20:07.03 | _H_ | and restarted |
| 20:07.12 | _H_ | but i cant have utf8 |
| 20:07.13 | Ungy | !enter |
| 20:07.14 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 20:07.43 | sombra | I have a script that run when I make backups manually: tar czf /backup.tar.gz /personal/ I want to edit this script for cron just when it runs daily to tar czf /backup-daliy.tar.gz /personal/ how can I do this with perl for instance? |
| 20:07.46 | valdyn_ | _H_: grep 'LANG=' /etc/environment |
| 20:07.49 | barryh | has anyone successfully compile modules against the linux-headers-2.6.12-1-686 package version 2.6.12-5? |
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| 20:07.54 | uski | is it possible to use a packet from unstable on testing ? |
| 20:08.09 | uski | testing has an old used which is not compatible with its own alsa-utils package...! |
| 20:08.11 | miguelzinho | I downloaded the courier-maildrop source, apt-get source courier-maildrop, I run: debian/rules build, and give me this error: |
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| 20:08.18 | _H_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:08.18 | _H_ | LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 |
| 20:08.23 | miguelzinho | ./configure: line 19556: syntax error near unexpected token `;;' |
| 20:08.24 | miguelzinho | ./configure: line 19556: ` ;;' |
| 20:08.24 | miguelzinho | make: *** [build] Error 2 |
| 20:08.34 | miguelzinho | anyone have seen this? |
| 20:08.43 | abrotman | miguelzinho: you're trying to compile what? |
| 20:08.48 | abrotman | oh .. sorry |
| 20:09.09 | abrotman | miguelzinho: in sid ? |
| 20:09.12 | barryh | nvm, someone has already filed bug #323757 |
| 20:09.20 | miguelzinho | sarge |
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| 20:10.15 | uski | it is okay to submit a bug report for abnormal incompatibilities between packages ? :\ |
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| 20:11.22 | miguelzinho | abrotman sarge |
| 20:11.32 | abrotman | did you check the bts? |
| 20:11.35 | _H_ | did anyone changed his/her kde to utf8? |
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| 20:11.40 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 20:11.42 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 20:11.42 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 20:11.43 | _H_ | and anyone helpme? |
| 20:11.52 | abrotman | _H_: #debian-kde |
| 20:12.04 | _H_ | ill try, thanks abrotman |
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| 20:12.41 | mankytongue_ | I can't seem to get mDNSResponder to work, when I run it in debug mode I receive the following errors : [assert] error: 95 (Operation not supported) [assert] where: "Posix/posix_interface.c", "sw_network_interface_link_status", line 259 |
| 20:12.57 | mankytongue_ | any ideas? |
| 20:13.19 | Mjelva | how complicated is it to make a computer running linux communicate with a computer running windows xp pro over a network, for file sharing and such? |
| 20:13.36 | r3v | Mjelva: easy |
| 20:13.53 | Mjelva | r3v - care to teach me the steps? |
| 20:14.07 | r3v | Mjelva: busy atm, look into samba |
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| 20:14.12 | Mjelva | k |
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| 20:14.59 | Coag | well im being utterly ignored in #samba, is there anyone with knowlede of samba her? |
| 20:15.05 | nkuttler | Mjelva: get the samba-doc package |
| 20:15.07 | Coag | ah wait |
| 20:15.13 | Mjelva | yeah, i'll do that. |
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| 20:16.48 | miguelzinho | ow man i'm so sad, how a package from stable doenst compile?! |
| 20:16.48 | miguelzinho | make[1]: Entering directory `/root/courier-0.47' |
| 20:16.48 | miguelzinho | cd . && /bin/sh /root/courier-0.47/missing --run aclocal-1.8 |
| 20:16.48 | miguelzinho | aclocal: configure.in: 14: macro `AM_PROG_LIBTOOL' not found in library |
| 20:16.48 | miguelzinho | make[1]: *** [aclocal.m4] Error 1 |
| 20:16.48 | miguelzinho | make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/courier-0.47' |
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| 20:17.10 | mankytongue_ | am I invisible or something? |
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| 20:17.23 | nkuttler | mankytongue_: no |
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| 20:17.41 | nkuttler | !tell miguelzinho about paste |
| 20:17.47 | mankytongue_ | then it's just that no one can be bothered to answer? |
| 20:18.07 | Cybodog | howdy, all, I was asked for a book teaching linux, I recommended rout book, but now I can't find it. Anybody know anything about this? |
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| 20:18.51 | Cybodog | it must be my memory failing me with the name |
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| 20:19.11 | SimonRaven | Cybodog: it's called rutebook |
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| 20:19.17 | Cybodog | ahhh ty |
| 20:19.22 | bucky | mankytongue_, isn't that an apple protocol ? |
| 20:19.29 | bisquit | Okey dokey... is there a file somewhere inside Debian that defines that vhosts it (systemwide) accepts and doesn't? |
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| 20:20.00 | SimonRaven | bucky: there's a linux implementation |
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| 20:20.17 | mankytongue_ | apple call it Bonjour, but it's called zeroconf for linux (I think) |
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| 20:20.33 | bucky | he might have more luck in debian-ppc... but maybe it needs mdns-scan |
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| 20:21.18 | SimonRaven | there's mdnsresponder in sid... |
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| 20:21.33 | phil0u | Hello |
| 20:21.37 | mankytongue_ | yup, I know, that's what I'm using |
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| 20:22.45 | bucky | SimonRaven, and a mdns-scan ? |
| 20:22.50 | phil0u | I hope that someone can help me : i'm using sid and i just dist-upgraded ( which i didn't do for quite some time) and now in the KDE menu , ihave nothing , it's almost empty : any idea how i could get the list of applications ? |
| 20:22.54 | signius | lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-possible |
| 20:23.01 | signius | what am i doing wrong |
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| 20:23.17 | bucky | phil0u, what did you dist-upgrade to? |
| 20:23.26 | signius | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.26 | signius | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.33 | signius | issued* |
| 20:23.35 | phil0u | bucky it was sid->sid |
| 20:23.46 | phil0u | bucky just updating packages |
| 20:23.50 | mankytongue_ | bucky: mdns-scan just scans for mdns services, but I can't have any services if I can't get mDNSResponder to work |
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| 20:24.07 | signius | do i need to specify a login for the windows machine within this command ? |
| 20:24.07 | bucky | phil0u, upgrade, hmm... |
| 20:24.17 | plhofmei | hello all, I have a bit of a stumper |
| 20:24.34 | plhofmei | ~$ ping localhost |
| 20:24.36 | plhofmei | pingouin_: unknown host localhost |
| 20:24.38 | abrotman | wtf is mdns ? |
| 20:24.48 | sward | abrotman: evil |
| 20:24.51 | mankytongue_ | abrotman, multicast mdns |
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| 20:25.01 | abrotman | why would you want that? |
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| 20:25.11 | abrotman | !tell peters4 about knoppix |
| 20:25.11 | phil0u | bucky any idea how to restore KDE applications menu ? |
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| 20:25.17 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 20:25.19 | jogla | Hella. |
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| 20:25.32 | jogla | s/Hella/Hello/ |
| 20:25.35 | phil0u | abrotman ok thx |
| 20:25.39 | r3v | phil0u: yeah |
| 20:25.51 | phil0u | r3v ok thx will do bye |
| 20:25.55 | signius | Can anyone help with this lpadmin issue ? |
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| 20:26.00 | SimonRaven | bucky: dunno |
| 20:26.04 | plhofmei | anyone know how the Linux hostfile system works? |
| 20:26.06 | mankytongue_ | abrotman, it allows you to advertise services (ssh, http, nfs..) over networks, a bit like SAP announces in VLC |
| 20:26.08 | sward | plhofmei: Is localhost in /etc/hosts? |
| 20:26.11 | SimonRaven | bucky: might be part of it... *shrug* |
| 20:26.18 | plhofmei | sward: yes |
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| 20:26.32 | plhofmei | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 20:26.43 | bucky | mankytongue_, i'd join #debianppc there might be someone there that knows right off |
| 20:26.51 | sward | plhofmei: and hosts.conf contains order hosts,bind ? |
| 20:27.05 | plhofmei | sward: yes....and multi on |
| 20:27.10 | mankytongue_ | bucky, k, I'll have a look |
| 20:27.22 | plhofmei | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.24 | sward | plhofmei: I think I'll join you in being stumpered for a bit |
| 20:27.25 | spermie | would this be right: apt-get install x-window-system-core kde kdm? |
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| 20:27.31 | plhofmei | sward: LOL |
| 20:27.43 | abrotman | mankytongue_: yes .. taht sounds evil :) |
| 20:27.45 | plhofmei | sward: I even did the unthinkable thing of....rebooting |
| 20:28.02 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 20:28.02 | dpkg | well, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 20:28.13 | abrotman | spermie: and yes .. if you want all of kde .. that looks fine .. |
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| 20:28.27 | sward | plhofmei: can you ping your hostname, and 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 20:28.28 | Mjelva | question: how can i access files i've saved on the computer using windows? in other words files outside linux's root directory. |
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| 20:28.42 | abrotman | Mjelva: to just read from NTFS? |
| 20:28.53 | abrotman | or is it fat32? |
| 20:29.07 | plhofmei | sward: as you know, mysql has a hissy fit about it |
| 20:29.07 | Mjelva | abrotman - the partition in question is ntfs, yes. but both apply, really. i'm asking in general. |
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| 20:29.19 | Mjelva | i really don't have a good overview of the whole file browsing thing. |
| 20:29.20 | abrotman | !ro-ntfs |
| 20:29.20 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 20:29.23 | PerfDave | Mjelva: You mount the Windows partition somewhere on your LInux filesystem. |
| 20:29.33 | Mjelva | PerfDave - How? |
| 20:29.54 | r3v | !rw-ntfs |
| 20:30.02 | abrotman | !ntfsrw |
| 20:30.02 | dpkg | Write support for ntfs is not really available. Ask me about read-ntfs so you can read data on ntfs partitions. see <ro-ntfs> |
| 20:30.16 | Mjelva | !ro-ntfs |
| 20:30.16 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. and you should want. |
| 20:30.18 | PerfDave | Mjelva: with the "mount" command, or to do it automatically on boot, put a line in "/etc/fstab". |
| 20:30.19 | r3v | abrotman: was just seeing |
| 20:30.27 | abrotman | r3v: /msg dpkg listkeys ntfs |
| 20:30.49 | r3v | abrotman: i don't really need ntfs anything, was just wondering the state of it :) |
| 20:30.59 | abrotman | r3v: it's a crappy filesystem? :) |
| 20:31.12 | abrotman | capable of eating whole volumes in a single bite! |
| 20:31.18 | r3v | abrotman: haha, yeah I knew that. |
| 20:31.21 | PerfDave | abrotman: reiserfs? :) |
| 20:31.26 | abrotman | PerfDave: yeah .. that too |
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| 20:31.39 | abrotman | !br |
| 20:31.39 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 20:32.05 | trent | How do I restart the network? |
| 20:32.16 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 20:32.18 | nagual | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.20 | nagual | hm |
| 20:32.22 | nagual | hrmph |
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| 20:32.51 | thingfish | of course, no brazilians are capable of communicating in english. |
| 20:32.54 | Mjelva | PerfDave - found fstab, what line to add? |
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| 20:33.22 | ufle | I removed gcc-4.0 because it caused all kinds of problems and now I don't have /usr/bin/gcc. How do I restore the symlinks for 3.4, other than manually? |
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| 20:33.27 | abrotman | thingfish: just wait :) |
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| 20:33.41 | PerfDave | Mjelva: man fstab will tell you the format of the file |
| 20:33.46 | PerfDave | ufle: How did you remove gcc-4.0? |
| 20:33.54 | ufle | apt-get remove gcc-4.0 |
| 20:33.56 | thingfish | hey Venson |
| 20:33.58 | abrotman | PerfDave: rm .. like all good admins :) |
| 20:34.14 | Venson | hey hey thingfish |
| 20:34.23 | magyar | ahoy, i have ud=sed g4u to ghost a rive but the kernel still seeing it as a 6.4 GB as oppose to 800GB |
| 20:34.25 | Ungy | rm -rf ungy |
| 20:34.51 | ufle | took package gcc with it too FWIW |
| 20:34.55 | PerfDave | ufle: You probably wanted to --purge it to remove the configuration; you should be able to point the symlinks back with update-alternatives |
| 20:35.07 | PerfDave | Mjelva: "g4u" |
| 20:35.07 | Mjelva | jesus christ. no wonder linux doesn't have general appeal. |
| 20:35.11 | ufle | ok let me poke around it a bit |
| 20:35.18 | Mjelva | what, perfdave? |
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| 20:35.39 | PerfDave | Mjelva: The command "man fstab" will tell you what to put in the /etc/fstab file |
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| 20:35.52 | Mjelva | yeah. i'm reading it now. |
| 20:36.02 | Mjelva | i think it's going over my head, though. |
| 20:36.24 | nkuttler | Mjelva: you may want to read the examples section or google fstab + whatever you want to do |
| 20:36.27 | P-K | Does InnoDB come installed into the sarge version of mysql-server? |
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| 20:36.41 | abrotman | man mount ? |
| 20:36.44 | nkuttler | Mjelva: linux.google.com |
| 20:36.45 | abrotman | get a real DB |
| 20:36.49 | PerfDave | Mjelva: It's very simple - the filesystem is a tree, anchored at /, the root directory. It spans different drives, network partitions, and many other things, but it all appears to the system to be one coherent filesystem. It's a very neat and elegant way of doing things :) |
| 20:36.55 | P-K | :) |
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| 20:37.14 | nkuttler | PerfDave: oh, he didn't know _that_! |
| 20:37.16 | sward | !why-not-mysql |
| 20:37.16 | dpkg | why-not-mysql is, like, http://openacs.org/why-not-mysql.html |
| 20:37.19 | Mjelva | for thoe who understand it. |
| 20:37.23 | abrotman | P-K: honestly .. no idea .. the docs might say in /usr/share/doc/mysql* |
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| 20:37.32 | Mjelva | i mean, i understand the system. it's not that different from windows. |
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| 20:37.39 | Mjelva | it's just not so easy to visualize. |
| 20:37.42 | PerfDave | Mjelva: Everything takes understanding. It makes a lot more sense to me than Windows. |
| 20:37.47 | PerfDave | Mjelva: It isn't? |
| 20:37.49 | abrotman | Mjelva: eat the mushroom |
| 20:37.50 | P-K | Thanks I will check. |
| 20:37.53 | Mjelva | not to me. at least not yet. |
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| 20:38.03 | sward | uh, that link's bad.. |
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| 20:38.17 | PerfDave | Mjelva: In Windows, you have no differentiation between drives and partitions, you have unnecessary differentiation between local and remote systems. |
| 20:38.31 | signius | is it possible to insert a uasername and passord into this command for it to connet to the windows printer ? lpadmin -p epsonepl -v smb://signius-01/EPSONEPL -P /root/epsonepl.ppd |
| 20:38.46 | sward | oh, no it's not, just my damn x-chat *looks to irssi* |
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| 20:38.56 | Mjelva | perfdave - hard part for me is that it all starts where linux begins, if you get what i mean. in windows, you're not locked inside the windows directory. which it seems to me like i am at the moment. |
| 20:39.04 | nkuttler | signius: what does man lpadmin say? |
| 20:39.08 | signius | at present i am getting this error lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-possible |
| 20:39.10 | Mjelva | once i figure that part out, i'll probably think it's as easy as you do. |
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| 20:39.24 | PerfDave | Mjelva: Who's locked inside anything? |
| 20:39.27 | phogg | Mjelva: In Linux you are not locked in anywhere. |
| 20:39.36 | magyar | i have used "g4u" to ghost a drive but the kernel still seeing it as a 6.4 GB as oppose to 80GB, can someone help with this problem? |
| 20:39.39 | r3v | signius: yeah... smb://user:pass@host |
| 20:39.41 | Mjelva | perfdave - i'm probably not. i just feel like it. |
| 20:40.03 | PerfDave | magyar: What is "g4u"? |
| 20:40.10 | concept10 | what directory do you feel like your are locked into? |
| 20:40.10 | Mjelva | because right now, i can't see anything outside the linux directory. |
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| 20:40.17 | PerfDave | Mjelva: "linux directory"? |
| 20:40.17 | abrotman | magyar: you know .. if you had a 4GB drive .. i bet you wouldn't ahve a problem :) |
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| 20:40.26 | magyar | perfdave: its a ghosting program for linux |
| 20:40.27 | Mjelva | well, frankly, i have no idea where linux is installed. |
| 20:40.30 | r3v | 15:17 < PerfDave> magyar: What is "g4u"? |
| 20:40.30 | r3v | 15:17 < concept10> what directory do you feel like your are locked into? |
| 20:40.30 | r3v | 15:17 < Mjelva> because right now, i can't see anything outside the linux |
| 20:40.30 | r3v | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:40.32 | nkuttler | Mjelva: try 'pwd' or 'cd /' |
| 20:40.33 | Mjelva | it didn't even ask me where to install. |
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| 20:40.40 | EnsignRedshirt | Hello, world. |
| 20:40.40 | abrotman | !smack r3v |
| 20:40.42 | nkuttler | Mjelva: why should it? |
| 20:40.44 | signius | ok so that would become lpadmin -p epsonepl -v smb://username:password@signius-01/EPSONEPL -P /root/epsonepl.ppd |
| 20:40.45 | r3v | sorry bout that |
| 20:40.47 | P-K | postgres would be better than mysql? |
| 20:40.52 | phogg | Mjelva: Linux is installed to a hard disk partition. If you didn't get to choose which one, you used a bad installer. |
| 20:40.57 | concept10 | r3v, what are you doing? |
| 20:40.58 | abrotman | P-K: in almost every case .. yes |
| 20:41.09 | P-K | cool I will use that instead. |
| 20:41.11 | P-K | thanks |
| 20:41.16 | ufle | umm... update-alternatives doesn't list any alternatives for gcc; reinstlaling 4.0 and purging it didn't help; nor did reinstalling by force for 3.4 or reconfiguring it |
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| 20:41.26 | abrotman | P-K: just so you're aware .. there's a page of pgsql gotchas also |
| 20:41.26 | Mjelva | phogg - it asked me which partition. but beyond that, neither the linux install nor any programs have asked me where to install. isn't that a bit fucked up? |
| 20:41.27 | phogg | Mjelva: What is the Linux directory? /usr/src/linux ? |
| 20:41.30 | r3v | concept10: wasting time at work... which means i'm putty'ed into my box at home. putty copy/paste's WAY too easy even when don't want it |
| 20:41.43 | phogg | Mjelva: trust me, you'd rather not be asked |
| 20:41.43 | PerfDave | Mjelva: "Linux" isn't exactly installed anywhere. The Linux kernel is in /boot, the modules for it are in /lib |
| 20:41.47 | EnsignRedshirt | This is a bit off topic, but maybe I can get a few pointers here. I'm interested in doing time lapse photography with a digital camera or webcam. Anyone know of appropriate hardware and software? |
| 20:41.57 | P-K | I can use both for dbmail so I will choose the better one. |
| 20:41.59 | valdyn_ | Mjelva: debian is installed on whichever partitions are listed in the file /etc/fstab |
| 20:42.03 | abrotman | P-K: http://sql-info.de/postgresql/postgres-gotchas.html |
| 20:42.11 | nkuttler | ufle: just create one with update-alternatives |
| 20:42.13 | Mjelva | perfdave - i mean whichever directory i start in when i log in. |
| 20:42.18 | ufle | ah |
| 20:42.22 | Mjelva | how do i go a level up from there? |
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| 20:42.29 | nkuttler | Mjelva: cd .. |
| 20:42.30 | PerfDave | Mjelva: If you're installing things from Debian packages, then they get installed in predetermined places so everything knows where it is. You don't want to change that. |
| 20:42.36 | PerfDave | Mjelva: Your home directory? |
| 20:42.41 | phogg | Mjelva: From where? |
| 20:42.41 | abrotman | P-K: i'm not sure how up to date those gotcha pages are |
| 20:42.44 | EnsignRedshirt | I've googled a bit, but I'm mostly finding older stuff, related to kernels 2.2 and 2.4. |
| 20:42.45 | signius | ah its not a username and password error then as i still get the same error message about client-error-not-possible |
| 20:42.47 | Mjelva | perfdave - yeah, i guess so. |
| 20:43.07 | P-K | Looking them over now. |
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| 20:43.15 | abrotman | !pgsql gotchas |
| 20:43.15 | dpkg | i heard pgsql gotchas is http://sql-info.de/postgresql/postgres-gotchas.html |
| 20:43.18 | PerfDave | Mjelva: You usually get asked where you want to put stuff when you compile it; I've just hand-installed some software in /usr/local which is where you want to put things you don't install from Debian packages. |
| 20:43.18 | Mjelva | i got two partitions, though. and i'm so used to just being able to click the little damn folder and go a level up, and see all my partitions. |
| 20:43.34 | sward | dpkg: why-not-mysql =~ s#http://openacs.org/why-not-mysql.html#http://openacs.org/philosophy/why-not-mysql.html# |
| 20:43.34 | dpkg | OK, sward |
| 20:43.37 | Mjelva | how do i do the same in linux? |
| 20:43.38 | PerfDave | Mjelva: The point is that you don't need to see your partitions, they should be invisible to you and you don't need to worry about them. |
| 20:43.47 | PerfDave | Mjelva: "mount" will show you what you've got mounted and where. |
| 20:43.51 | magyar | i have used "g4u" to ghost a drive but the kernel still seeing it as a 6.4 GB as oppose to 80GB, can someone help with this problem? |
| 20:43.51 | concept10 | Mjelva, are you in gnome or kde or at the command line |
| 20:43.59 | Mjelva | i'm in fluxbox |
| 20:44.00 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: in linux ? |
| 20:44.10 | ufle | nkuttler, that worked, but it's quite close to manual... I was hoping to get the system back on autopilot on this one |
| 20:44.12 | valdyn_ | Mjelva: you run X, you run any of the windows-alike file browsers |
| 20:44.14 | Mjelva | i didn't even know i could use xchat from the command line. |
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| 20:44.16 | EnsignRedshirt | abrotman: Yes... debian, even :) |
| 20:44.20 | signius | odd because i can see the epson on the windows box with smbclient |
| 20:44.20 | phogg | Mjelva: you're used to a virtual root that contains all filesystem roots. In Linux there is one filesystem root that contains everthing |
| 20:44.29 | Mjelva | i'm so confused. |
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| 20:44.39 | yosi | Does anybody have a howto for setting up framebuffer in debian? |
| 20:44.39 | jjjj | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 20:44.39 | jjjj | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.39 | jjjj | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.39 | jjjj | ImportError: cannot import name configfile |
| 20:44.40 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: i don't know what lapse photography is .. but someone in #linux might have an idea .. or try back here later ... |
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| 20:44.43 | phogg | Mjelva: may I /msg you? |
| 20:44.45 | abrotman | wtf was that? |
| 20:44.53 | Mjelva | phogg - of course |
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| 20:45.14 | abrotman | jjjj: we don't paste here |
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| 20:45.34 | EnsignRedshirt | abrotman: It just means I want to have the camera/webcam/whatever take a picture every hour (or every day, etc.) |
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| 20:45.46 | boga | how can I have Linux automount my cdrom media? |
| 20:45.50 | thespiritoftal | I have downloaded a package called krawler.I was trying to install it and when I typed the command ./configure it gave the error checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! how can i fix it? |
| 20:45.59 | Athon_Solo|2 | I have an existing Debian Sarge system and would like to install another Debian Sarg system using the same set of packages (one is for testing stuff before putting onto the production install). Is there any documentation (HOWTOs, Tips & Tricks, etc) on how I could do this? |
| 20:46.01 | concept10 | Mjelva, you should spend some time reading about the file system. you should know basic navigation, IMO the linux filesystem is easier than windows one you learn it |
| 20:46.06 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: oh .. uhm ... |
| 20:46.10 | abrotman | toresbe: ping! |
| 20:46.13 | PerfDave | Mjelva: My desktop has its filesystem root on one partition local hard disk. It has a couple of other partitions mounted elsewhere, and a couple more mounted on a machine over the network. It has some virtual filesystems which only exist in kernel memory. The point is that none of my applications know or care about which physical, virtual or network drives they're actually using, and that's ideal. |
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| 20:46.22 | r3v | thespiritoftal: xlibs-dev |
| 20:46.34 | jjjj | can anyone help me with installing the new version of bittorrent - give me a can't find module bittorrent error??? |
| 20:46.37 | EnsignRedshirt | There is package called gqcam, but I'm trying to figure out what cameras might work with it. |
| 20:46.38 | boga | thespiritoftal: install everything like X*devel then try again |
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| 20:46.46 | concept10 | EnsignRedshirt, there is software somewhere that does that, ive seen it all over but dont know the name |
| 20:46.54 | nkuttler | EnsignRedshirt: if you have no cam yet or a canon try http://www.ucl.cas.cz/~petr/plant-growth/ |
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| 20:47.04 | x64 | Heyy can anyone help me? i have just downloaded a server file for Half-life2-gmod .. and i dont have any idea wat to do with it.. it comes as "server_i486.so" .. and theres no documentation etc. |
| 20:47.04 | PerfDave | Mjelva: My desktop applications just treat /home/perfdave as a folder. They don't need to know whether that folder is on a hard disk, a compact flash card, a ramdisk, a network drive, or even somewhere like gmail. |
| 20:47.04 | magyar | i have ghosted a 6gb drive to 80GB but the cernel still seeing it as a 6 GB , can someone help? |
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| 20:47.13 | abrotman | EnsignRedshirt: this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm ? |
| 20:47.15 | WiFiTux | Hi, Is hotplug being replaced with something else? |
| 20:47.41 | PerfDave | magyar: I can't find this "g4u" software in my apt repositories. |
| 20:47.42 | valdyn_ | WiFiTux: no |
| 20:47.50 | WiFiTux | valdyn_: Sure? ;-) |
| 20:48.13 | boga | magyar: that's what ghost does. U should use similar drives to avoid problems |
| 20:48.15 | EnsignRedshirt | nkuttler, abrotman: I'll check out the links... thanks! |
| 20:48.17 | magyar | <PerfDave>: search google for g4u |
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| 20:48.35 | magyar | boga: is linux this shitty? |
| 20:48.47 | ToDy4Me | need help compiling 2.6.12.4 kernel. drm error when compiling. I fixed the drm error by commenting the gamma install from the makefile. says that gamma.h was missing, but it's in the same directory. |
| 20:48.47 | takatumi | PerfDave: well, you're the one who brought it up first. |
| 20:48.59 | PerfDave | takatumi: Brought what up first? |
| 20:49.10 | PerfDave | magyar: It looks like your filesystem still thinks it's 6Gb, you need to resize your filesystem. |
| 20:49.20 | jdhutchin1 | magyar, it's seeing it as a 6gb drive because the fs is 6gb and the partition table lists it as 6gb too |
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| 20:49.40 | jdhutchin1 | magyar, you'll have to re-format, make the filesystem, and then copy over the files using a higher-level copy |
| 20:49.52 | magyar | <PerfDave>: how do i go about resizing a md devices? |
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| 20:50.06 | PerfDave | magyar: I don't know what "a md devices" is. |
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| 20:50.09 | takatumi | PerfDave: g4u ;p |
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| 20:50.18 | r3v | PerfDave: md is for raid |
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| 20:50.30 | PerfDave | takatumi: Uhm, no, magyar said he was using g4u. |
| 20:50.34 | magyar | PerfDave: software raid device |
| 20:50.51 | PerfDave | magyar: What filesystem is it? |
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| 20:50.59 | takatumi | PerfDave: dazed n confused. |
| 20:51.14 | r3v | magyar: what is g4u, the project homepage comes up forbidden |
| 20:51.44 | sward | r3v: Try the google cache, or the freshmeat page |
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| 20:52.15 | PerfDave | r3v: It appears to be another ghost / partimage like thing. I'm guessing that magyar has restored a 6Gb filesystem to an 80Gb partition, and needs to resize the filesystem. But this may be complicated by the software RAID thing which I'm not familiar with. |
| 20:52.41 | De_Mon | daily at 06:23:33 syslogd restarts and ppp0 enters and exits promisc mode. Any ideas why? |
| 20:52.41 | signius | This is starting to look like a fairly common program after some googling and some are even suggesting that something is broken in debian sid and sarge that is causing this error |
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| 20:52.53 | signius | program = problem |
| 20:52.54 | abrotman | De_Mon: cron.daily ? |
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| 20:53.06 | r3v | PerfDave: i'm familar with software raids and they are easy (I have them on all my stuff) but no idea what that g4u stuff is, nor how it works |
| 20:53.11 | De_Mon | no.. cron.daily runs at 2am |
| 20:53.14 | PerfDave | signius: Like what is a common problem? |
| 20:53.17 | abrotman | signius: weren't you trying to install ? |
| 20:53.19 | De_Mon | atleast thats what I recall |
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| 20:53.38 | signius | trying to print to a printer on windows box |
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| 20:53.39 | PerfDave | r3v: I'm assuming that it works like partimage. |
| 20:53.41 | abrotman | oh |
| 20:53.47 | signius | and getting an error |
| 20:53.52 | abrotman | !smbprint |
| 20:53.53 | dpkg | If you want to use samba to print from your linux box to a windows box, try reading http://ch208d.cae.tntech.edu/~mwr/smb/.... but no guarantees. |
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| 20:54.14 | signius | lpadmin -p EPSONEPL -v smb://signius-01/EPSONEPL -P /root/EPSONEPL.ppd RETURNS THE ERROR lpadmin: add-printer (set device) failed: client-error-not-possible |
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| 20:54.30 | De_Mon | hrmph |
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| 20:54.33 | websdale | Athon_Solo|2: there's a set of utils called bootcd* which allows you to do that I think - have a look |
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| 20:55.08 | smo_ | hi wich package do i need to get libX11.so.4??? |
| 20:55.16 | PerfDave | smo_: /msg dpkg search |
| 20:55.35 | Rubin | is there a guide to what to do with /usr/src/modules/* dirs as far as building? i did it once but iv forgotten |
| 20:55.52 | valdyn_ | Rubin: apt-cache show module-assistant |
| 20:55.59 | sward | !m-a |
| 20:55.59 | dpkg | well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 20:56.26 | Rubin | thanks |
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| 20:56.38 | signius | any ideas ? |
| 20:56.47 | PerfDave | !any ideas |
| 20:56.48 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little sauerkraut, and 5 or 6 three-legged bunnies. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 20:56.54 | signius | i cant see anyone jumping in with loads of suggestions ? |
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| 20:57.00 | smo_ | nothing returned perfdave... |
| 20:57.03 | PerfDave | signius: /msg dpkg further help |
| 20:57.15 | PerfDave | !tell smo_ -about search |
| 20:57.26 | signius | PerfDave whats that ? |
| 20:57.39 | PerfDave | signius: Type it into your IRC client. |
| 20:57.39 | sward | signius: Type it in your IRC client |
| 20:57.39 | thespiritoftal | I have a usb storage device and debian doesnt detect it automatically... ubuntu used to auto-detect it with hotplug... any ideas how I can fix it |
| 20:57.47 | PerfDave | Argh, I am sward :) |
| 20:57.56 | PerfDave | takatumi: What makes you think that Debian doens't detect it automatically? |
| 20:57.58 | PerfDave | Argh |
| 20:58.05 | PerfDave | thespiritoftal: What makes you think that Debian doens't detect it automatically? |
| 20:58.13 | sward | and I am PerfDave :) |
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| 20:58.17 | thespiritoftal | it didnt |
| 20:58.23 | PerfDave | thespiritoftal: Why do you say that? |
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| 20:58.43 | thespiritoftal | if it did I would see it |
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| 20:58.48 | PerfDave | thespiritoftal: See it where? |
| 20:59.11 | abrotman | thespiritoftal: you may have to create a hotplug script |
| 20:59.22 | signius | doesnt appear dpkg wants to talk to me in private |
| 20:59.23 | abrotman | thespiritoftal: debian shuld see it .. but may not mount it |
| 20:59.23 | thespiritoftal | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:59.27 | abrotman | dpkg: hi |
| 20:59.27 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 20:59.33 | osama | i was told to c the "real" size of my files i need to do ls -ls on the directory, my question is that there are two sets of numbers, do the numbers on the left show the "real" size of the files? |
| 20:59.33 | PerfDave | thespiritoftal: That's not detecting it, that's mounting it. |
| 20:59.43 | abrotman | thespiritoftal: http://linux-hotplug.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:59.48 | thespiritoftal | so why doesnt it mount? |
| 20:59.59 | deego | What was the utility to also save a bash session to a file? |
| 21:00.11 | PerfDave | thespiritoftal: Have you installed something that will mount it automatically? Either a hotplug script, or autofs, or gnome-volume-manager? |
| 21:00.31 | thespiritoftal | nope |
| 21:00.38 | PerfDave | thespiritoftal: Then that's why it's not mounting automatically. |
| 21:00.52 | thespiritoftal | so which of them should i install? |
| 21:00.53 | abrotman | PerfDave: fyi .. i have gnome-v-m .. i don't think it's ever automagically mounted dirt .. though i'm not sure it's supposed to |
| 21:00.59 | thespiritoftal | which do you recommend? |
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| 21:01.24 | PerfDave | thespiritoftal: Whichever one suits your purposes best. Personally, I don't recommend any of them. I just use Konqueror to mount things when I want to. |
| 21:01.42 | De_Mon | abrotman you were right, found where cron.daily is running and it is at 6whatever am. |
| 21:01.59 | thespiritoftal | so how can i mount it with Konqueror? |
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| 21:02.20 | signius | PerfDave why did you suggest dpkg he isnt talking to me at all |
| 21:02.40 | EdLin | !test |
| 21:02.40 | dpkg | No, edlin, you're not online any more. |
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| 21:02.45 | EdLin | signius: the bot is working |
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| 21:03.02 | signius | EdLin ?????? |
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| 21:03.16 | signius | What bot ? |
| 21:03.31 | EdLin | signius: dpkg is a bot |
| 21:03.33 | concept10 | thespiritoftal, check this, it may help you : http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 |
| 21:03.57 | signius | well what was the frigging point in that |
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| 21:04.20 | PerfDave | signius: I have no idea why dpkg isn't talking to you, you must have configured your IRC client to block messages or something. |
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| 21:06.04 | abrotman | De_Mon: see .. i wouldn't lie :) |
| 21:06.16 | somePriest | Is it fair to say that Linux generally will have better vendor hardware support then OSes like FreeBSD, because LInux is in the media more often? |
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| 21:07.10 | PerfDave | somePriest: I don't think it necessarily follows. Most vendors don't give a shit about either. |
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| 21:07.24 | streuner | somePriest: you are wrong here |
| 21:07.27 | concept10 | Anyone know a good IRC channel for content management systems |
| 21:07.35 | smo_ | nothing found for libX11.so.4 with apt-file..... |
| 21:07.37 | streuner | somePriest: we are in a debian-help channel... |
| 21:07.42 | EdLin | somePriest: run what you like, don't worry about what's popular. After all, if you run only what's popular that way lies Windows. |
| 21:07.54 | nkuttler | smo_: need xlibs-dev? |
| 21:08.25 | smo_ | maybe.. |
| 21:08.41 | somePriest | streuner : Wow, you mean the #debian channel discusses #debian, do you suppose I pieced that together previously? |
| 21:08.54 | somePriest | s/s #/s / |
| 21:09.14 | streuner | somePriest: i mean, ask a debian question and don't start a flamewar |
| 21:09.42 | PerfDave | streuner: Hey, Debian has Debian GNU/Linux and Debian GNU/kFreeBSD, so FreeBSD hardware support isn't exactly offtopic on #debian ;) |
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| 21:10.16 | streuner | PerfDave: hehe ;-) |
| 21:10.16 | somePriest | streuner : My question wasn't of which is better, my question was, "Has Linux a big impact in the corporate world because of its media attention." I ask it relative to something I've read a bit about, and discussed. |
| 21:10.27 | smo_ | nkuttler i installed xlibs-dev but still any libX11.so.4 |
| 21:10.44 | PerfDave | somePriest: It has had a big impact in the corporate world. I don't think that's translated much into vendor hardware support in most cases. |
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| 21:10.54 | PerfDave | smo_: Why do you ned this libX11 thing? |
| 21:10.58 | PerfDave | s/ned/need/ |
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| 21:11.11 | somePriest | PerfDave : Do you suppose that Linux will ever be big enough that most vendors release drivers for their hardware? |
| 21:11.14 | smo_ | for java looking glass ( 3d-desktop) |
| 21:11.16 | concept10 | somePriest, Are you trying to stack up some ammo for conversations around the water cooler? |
| 21:11.19 | alec | php/mysql help on sarge: PHP is telling me that mysql_connect() is an undefined function, but I've installed php4-mysql and phpinfo() tells me that it's enabled. phpinfo() mentions that the client api version is 4.0.24; my server is mysql-server-4.1. Is that the source of my problems? |
| 21:11.29 | nkuttler | !bad polls |
| 21:11.29 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 21:11.39 | phellarv | somePriest: Nvidia does... |
| 21:11.51 | somePriest | concept10 : Heh, wish I had a job. |
| 21:11.58 | Sharcho | Does anyone know where I can find a better unicode font for the console? LatArCyrHeb isn't complete enough for my needs. Perhaps the font of the debian-installer. |
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| 21:12.05 | somePriest | phellarv : Just finished a contract, work from home. |
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| 21:12.19 | PerfDave | somePriest: I hope so, but to be honest I'm more interested in vendors collaborating with Free Software driver projects by releasing specs, which is very rare. |
| 21:12.19 | sward | Sharcho: When you find one, let me know :) |
| 21:12.50 | PerfDave | somePriest: If Linux becomes reliant on non-Free vendor support (as is increasingly the case in areas like wifi networking), it'll be no better than Windows. |
| 21:13.14 | dfgh | Trying to install FC4, but when it starts formatting it suddenly stops. Tried booting with a knoppix CD and format the hd, but it hangs on "Writing inode tables". Does anyone know what's wrong+ |
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| 21:13.33 | sward | dfgh: Is this really a Debian question? |
| 21:13.33 | nkuttler | dfgh: you know what channel you're in? |
| 21:13.44 | dfgh | oh, wrong window sorry |
| 21:13.51 | somePriest | PerfDave : Windows big disadvantage is non-free vendor support? |
| 21:14.24 | nkuttler | somePriest: who cares... |
| 21:14.38 | EdLin | somePriest: when it comes to (buggy) closed-source drivers the answer is yes. |
| 21:14.39 | Ungy | somePriest, wtf are you a reporter |
| 21:15.09 | somePriest | Ungy : I'm a priest actually. |
| 21:15.14 | concept10 | He is writing a TCO comparision and looking for some input |
| 21:15.24 | JoshH | hell, look at ati's closed linux drivers *shudder* |
| 21:15.24 | somePriest | concept10 : not likely. |
| 21:15.25 | ezhdeha | I was wondering if there were any angry young people out there who know windows scripting ? |
| 21:15.32 | PerfDave | somePriest: When you have non-Free hardware drivers, then you're reliant on vendors for things to keep working. Note the way that nVidia stuff breaks often on new kernel versions, and doesn't support all the features of nVidia cards on Windows. Free drivers give Linux flexibility and help keep it stable and secure. |
| 21:15.34 | JoshH | imagine if all vendors were like that |
| 21:15.35 | Ungy | well tell god to smite Windows and you will get the support you want |
| 21:15.58 | streuner | this troll managed to start a flamewar, doh |
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| 21:16.06 | nkuttler | ezhdeha: windows scripting? how is that debian related? |
| 21:16.07 | Ungy | ezhdeha, I am not young nor angry but yes I can script in windows |
| 21:16.11 | eeyore- | afternoon |
| 21:16.15 | JoshH | who flamed who? |
| 21:16.17 | somePriest | Ungy : I wasn't joking. |
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| 21:16.29 | eeyore- | eh, what? "script in windows"? |
| 21:16.30 | streuner | !ops somePriest started a flameware, can we get rid of him? |
| 21:16.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: somePriest started a flameware, can we get rid of him |
| 21:16.31 | stibby_ | i'm having trouble with crontab... my line is "10 * * * * /home/sbcl3/files/tech/pgrm_backup/linux/src/pisg-0.67/pisg >/dev/null 2>&1" ...this line doesnt seem to be doing anything after i edit it |
| 21:16.44 | JoshH | heh, a little touchy streuner? |
| 21:16.45 | PerfDave | streuner: Who's started a flamewar? Don't overreact. |
| 21:16.48 | somePriest | streuner : Flame war? Do you see any arguments? |
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| 21:16.54 | streuner | haha |
| 21:17.00 | abrotman | stibby_: the . maybe causing an issue |
| 21:17.02 | JoshH | both of you dumbasses are wrong! |
| 21:17.03 | PerfDave | somePriest: An amusing anecdote - I am looking at replacing a bunch of wireless cards in a shop because they don't support WPA under Windows. I stuck the same wireless card into a Debian box, and the open-source Linux drivers support WPA just fine :) |
| 21:17.05 | streuner | Wanna fool me? eh? :-) |
| 21:17.07 | eeyore- | how about we just calm down? :-) i just got in so i can't really kick anybody. it'd be knee-jerk, know what i mean? |
| 21:17.11 | abrotman | stibby_: run-parts doesn't like .'s |
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| 21:17.17 | Ungy | somePriest, I wasn't joking either ask God to smite windows and you will get your answer |
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| 21:17.27 | JoshH | Ungy: what if there is no god? |
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| 21:17.39 | streuner | eeyore-: PerfDave and JoshH are in the mood to discuss it, so... |
| 21:17.40 | concept10 | omg |
| 21:17.48 | somePriest | Ungy : I don't treat my religion with such flippancy, sorry. |
| 21:17.48 | stibby_ | abrotban: where is the .? |
| 21:18.08 | abrotman | stibby_: /pisg-0.67/ |
| 21:18.10 | Ungy | JoshH, I am an aethist so the what if doesn;t apply to me |
| 21:18.13 | stibby_ | hmm |
| 21:18.15 | stibby_ | okay |
| 21:18.22 | fat | hey guys, i have a cronjob that calls a program by a user (the user is 'backup'), and the program is 'amdump'... unfortunately the binary is in /usr/sbin... how can i make it so that /usr/sbin is in this user's path (it's not ever launching a shell per se, just running this program) |
| 21:18.29 | abrotman | stibby_: i'm not 100% certain that's the problem .. but i know that when i used to try to run scripts like blah.sh .. no workie |
| 21:18.29 | EdLin | Ungy: you also can't spell. ;-) |
| 21:18.32 | somePriest | eeyore- : Thre is nothing to cool down about, there is no flame war, streuner is either teasing, joking, or he's overly sensitive. |
| 21:18.42 | concept10 | JoshH, I guess you are the type of person that lobbies to remove the bible from in front of the courtrooms? |
| 21:18.45 | ezhdeha | edlin: this is IRC, who cares about spleling ? |
| 21:18.46 | mohkohn | I am getting this error: dbootstrap: command not found dbootstrap: command not found |
| 21:18.48 | nkuttler | fat: give it the full path |
| 21:18.53 | abrotman | ezhdeha: we do? |
| 21:18.57 | ezhdeha | :) |
| 21:19.03 | mohkohn | typo |
| 21:19.08 | PerfDave | mohkohn: Could it be that you want "debootstrap" instead? |
| 21:19.24 | mohkohn | spotted it. Tired :( |
| 21:19.26 | streuner | <somePriest> Is it fair to say that Linux generally will have better vendor hardware support then OSes like FreeBSD, because LInux is in the media more often? |
| 21:19.29 | mohkohn | Doh! |
| 21:19.32 | streuner | that was his first question |
| 21:19.36 | osama | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:19.40 | streuner | no debian-question till now, either... |
| 21:19.42 | fat | nkuttler: yes, and that works fine... but it gets a little bit uglier... i'm calling a program that run's another program, that wants to run another program that is in /usr/sbin |
| 21:19.55 | JoshH | streuner: /ignore |
| 21:20.05 | fat | nkuttler: it may just be a shell script, but i was hoping there would be a way around this (we didn't have this issue on the old mandrake box) |
| 21:20.06 | nkuttler | fat: ah, can't you prepend a PATH= to the cron command? |
| 21:20.06 | somePriest | streuner : I don't see a flame war there, it was a question. Nor did it start an argument. Grow up. *plonk* |
| 21:20.14 | fat | nkuttler: good call, i'll try that |
| 21:20.35 | concept10 | streuner, its funny how you point out that the question was off-topic and afterwards, there is more off-topic posts just to try to stop and manage the conversation. |
| 21:20.43 | streuner | so, the flamewar started and the trouble begins.... |
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| 21:21.05 | brunes | Anyone know where I would tell HAL / hotplug to mount a removable drive with the -o sync option? |
| 21:21.07 | PerfDave | streuner: The only person who seems to think that there was a flamewar is you. |
| 21:21.08 | eeyore- | concept10: i'm buddhist. what am i supposed to say when a bailiff asks me if i'm prepared to "..., so help me God"? (or, did they stop doing that God bit now?, I don't remember what I did at the last jury duty) |
| 21:21.16 | EdLin | osama: maybe you really want "du" |
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| 21:21.48 | stibby_ | abrotman: now there are no periods. it still isnt doing anything |
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| 21:22.01 | EdLin | eeyore-: or me, since I'm Jewish I'm not supposed to swear on a NT |
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| 21:22.05 | abrotman | stibby_: take off the stderr/stdout and try to run it yourself |
| 21:22.07 | concept10 | eeyore-, im not sure, i have never done jury duty, they are scared to get me. I would put anyone in jail just for the hell of it. |
| 21:22.15 | EdLin | eeyore-: or swear period, really |
| 21:22.23 | somePriest | PerfDave : Is driver development from specs a very long/hard process? I know C and C++ well, hardly perfectly, and I wonder how God-like one has to be to write said drivers. |
| 21:22.23 | stibby_ | abrotman: stderr/stdout? |
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| 21:22.43 | abrotman | stibby_: 2>&1" |
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| 21:22.48 | eeyore- | somePriest: it can be challenging, depending on how close to reality the specs are |
| 21:22.53 | Ungy | Edlin I may have trouble spelling and with punctuation, as well but that really doesn't really freakling matter as long as my point can get across. |
| 21:22.57 | abrotman | stibby_: basically . don't dump to dev/null .. |
| 21:23.11 | EdLin | Ungy: note the ";-)" |
| 21:23.16 | eeyore- | somePriest: even so, some hardware can be very difficult to program for. there's no single answer to your question except "it depends" |
| 21:23.21 | stibby_ | what do i dump it to then, abrotman? |
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| 21:23.27 | somePriest | eeyore- : So they are often not very accurate? Do they intentionally lie, to make themselves look better, or do they just not get upgraded as quickly as they should? |
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| 21:23.36 | mohkohn | debootstrap sarge /mnt/debian http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian bash: debootstrap: command not found |
| 21:23.47 | mohkohn | Still seem to be getting it. |
| 21:23.50 | megabit | Hi. I have got a problem with my graphic in notebook. I have got umax 4000CX - chip set: Intel 855GME . I can not start ¹D akceleration. Can you halp me? |
| 21:23.51 | eeyore- | somePriest: well, the hardware team and the documentation team are probably two separate groups of people :-) |
| 21:24.06 | eeyore- | somePriest: that in and of itself is a cause for many inaccuracies |
| 21:24.07 | osama | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.09 | PerfDave | somePriest: It's a lot easier from specs than it is with reverse engineering, but it's still not exactly easy. It's not something I'm an expert with. |
| 21:24.13 | sward | mohkohn: Have you installed debootstrap? |
| 21:24.16 | megabit | Sorry ¹d=3D |
| 21:24.17 | ezhdeha | megabit: do u mean 3d acceleration ? |
| 21:24.21 | ezhdeha | ah ok :) |
| 21:24.29 | megabit | (: |
| 21:24.36 | EdLin | !u |
| 21:24.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 21:24.44 | ezhdeha | megabit: r u using xfree86 or x.org ? |
| 21:24.49 | EdLin | !r |
| 21:24.49 | dpkg | [r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE", YOU MORONS! |
| 21:25.08 | eeyore- | somePriest: and even so, sometimes there are other things besides what the documentation says that affects the hardware. you might have the chipset bugs/features to deal with, for example, which are not addressed by your spec doc |
| 21:25.10 | PerfDave | R is a lovely bit of statistical analysis software. Especially on a quad Opteron ;) |
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| 21:25.31 | Eulex | megabit, what gfx card? |
| 21:25.38 | megabit | ezhdeha, xfree86 |
| 21:25.58 | smo_ | don t know what to do with my |
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| 21:25.59 | smo_ | libX11.so.4 |
| 21:26.18 | somePriest | eeyore- : Sounds like it might take years to learn. |
| 21:26.22 | jroes_ | I have a minimal install of debian, but I can't login via ssh from the outside, is there something already set to disallow connections? |
| 21:26.26 | smo_ | can t find it anywhere... |
| 21:26.33 | osama | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:26.38 | PerfDave | jroes_: Did you install ssh on your minimal install of Debian? |
| 21:26.48 | megabit | Eulex, I dont know it is on my board and chip set is : Intel 855GME |
| 21:26.50 | jroes_ | ps auxw | grep sshd shows it's running |
| 21:26.54 | eeyore- | somePriest: we (the people i work for) deal somewhat with this issue. we get specifications, and we write software models for those chips. we then compare our model behaviours with traces from VHDL simulations, and find that sometimes there are differences. |
| 21:27.04 | jroes_ | but I didn't install the client (I'm trying remotely) |
| 21:27.05 | fat | nkuttler: that works... i had to stick an 'env' in front of it, but it's working |
| 21:27.12 | PerfDave | jroes_: Is it listening on port 22? Check with netstat. Can you ssh to localhost from the machine? |
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| 21:27.18 | Eulex | osama, please stop repeating |
| 21:27.26 | ezhdeha | megabit: in your xf86config-4 file make sure the line "load dri" is uncommented first |
| 21:27.30 | eeyore- | somePriest: if the specs are 100% accurate, unambiguous, concise, and precise, and our programmers are 100% perfect, we wouldn't have any divergence from VHDL to model, but we do :-) |
| 21:27.35 | megabit | 82852/855GM Integrated Graph |
| 21:27.36 | megabit | ics Device |
| 21:28.14 | jroes_ | perfdave: working on it |
| 21:28.15 | jroes_ | doh! |
| 21:28.21 | stibby_ | abrotman: i took off all of that, still doesnt work |
| 21:28.40 | signius | once yo downloaded a .ppd file where the hell do you put it for cups to use it |
| 21:28.44 | Eulex | megabit, http://www.pcexpert.cz/notebooky/umax-visionbook-4000cx-c-m-1-3ghz-512mb -- intel extreme graphics 2? |
| 21:28.47 | megabit | ezhdeha, I have it there. |
| 21:29.26 | streuner | stibby_: most ppd's are in debian packages itself, just download them via apt-get |
| 21:29.41 | Athon_Solo|2 | I have an existing Debian Sarge system (rented server, only accessible via SSH) and would like to install another Debian Sarg system using the same set of packages (one is for testing stuff before putting onto the production install). Is there any documentation (HOWTOs, Tips & Tricks, etc) on how I could do this? |
| 21:29.43 | signius | ah |
| 21:29.48 | ezhdeha | megabit, what frame rates are you getting with glxgears ? |
| 21:29.53 | streuner | signius: yes |
| 21:30.11 | somePriest | I see that there are a lot of people doing work for Debian, writing packages, drivers, etc. I suppose some coders are much better than others. What is done with people who take on popular projects who are just downright bad at coding? or perhaps it never happens. |
| 21:30.23 | megabit | Eulex, Yes (jo) (: |
| 21:30.46 | megabit | ezhdeha, glxgears - what is it? |
| 21:31.08 | ezhdeha | megabit: it's a little program to test 3d - type it in a console window |
| 21:31.18 | streuner | signius: cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 21:31.24 | jroes_ | hmm, sshd is only accepting connections from localhost |
| 21:31.35 | jroes_ | any idea what would be causing that? is that something done by default? |
| 21:31.40 | Sander__ | Does anyone know of any sarge compatible freenx packages? |
| 21:31.58 | me_here | Athon_Solo|2: you can save your current package set via dpkg --get-selections "*" > yourfile.txt and then take it on cd or floppy or some maybe url ? and then install your base and afterwards dpkg --set-selectiosn < yourfile.txt |
| 21:32.06 | streuner | !info cupsys-driver-gimpprint |
| 21:32.08 | dpkg | cupsys-driver-gimpprint: (printer drivers for CUPS), section graphics, is optional. Version: 4.3.99+cvs20050813-1 (sid), Packaged size: 33 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 21:32.24 | megabit | ezhdeha, window bash: window: command not found |
| 21:32.40 | megabit | ezhdeha, sorry |
| 21:33.19 | megabit | ezhdeha, It is go super |
| 21:33.33 | abrotman | stibby_: what's the error ? |
| 21:33.34 | Athon_Solo|2 | me_here: thanks. |
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| 21:33.51 | ezhdeha | megabit: are all your xlibmesa packages installed ? |
| 21:34.04 | sward | Sander__: No, but a quick Google, (you should try it too :) ), found me this: http://lists.debian.org/debian-testing/2005/03/msg00149.html |
| 21:34.08 | me_here | Athon_Solo|2: there are other ways too but this one is fairly easy |
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| 21:34.51 | megabit | ezhdeha, What is it? |
| 21:34.54 | eeyore- | somePriest: if you screw up that badly, chances are good you won't get second/third/fourth chances to do it |
| 21:34.59 | sward | Sander__: follow the thread, an unofficial repository is given |
| 21:35.02 | Sander__ | sward, the packages from Kanotix no longer work with sarge as the base libraries are too new |
| 21:35.03 | mohkohn | Yeah! its working! |
| 21:35.45 | somePriest | eeyore- : I see. What of people who have new ideas for a project, and maintain it themelves, can they be removed as the author of their own software? |
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| 21:36.08 | jroes_ | is it default for SSHD to only listen for incoming connections from localhost by default? |
| 21:36.18 | jroes_ | in a default debian installation |
| 21:36.19 | abrotman | jroes_: no |
| 21:36.21 | me_here | Athon_Solo|2: forgot to mention if your list contains outdated or renamed packages, they won't be recognized ! |
| 21:36.30 | jroes_ | weird, ok so it must be some router setting he fucked up :P |
| 21:36.34 | abrotman | he who? |
| 21:36.35 | harpiain | hi! how could I remove a subversion repository? |
| 21:36.38 | abrotman | !kill him |
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| 21:36.51 | abrotman | harpiain: #svn |
| 21:36.52 | jroes_ | my friend is setting up debian at his house |
| 21:36.56 | jroes_ | and I have to do it through him |
| 21:36.56 | mohkohn | cp: listing attributes of `/etc/resolv.conf': Unknown error 524 Anybody know what that is? |
| 21:37.03 | abrotman | jroes_: can he ssh to it ? |
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| 21:37.18 | jroes_ | from localhost yeah |
| 21:37.23 | jroes_ | but.. |
| 21:37.27 | streuner | jroes_: say to him he should read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 21:37.30 | jroes_ | he -says- he's redirecting all traffic to it :) |
| 21:37.33 | megabit | Eulex, Where are you from? |
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| 21:37.50 | abrotman | jroes_: can he `ssh <hisLANIP>` ? |
| 21:38.00 | jroes_ | streuner: well, he's setting it up for me, so I fed the ig to him :) |
| 21:38.02 | harpiain | abrotman, I know this, but what's the syntax. |
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| 21:38.11 | Eulex | megabit, sweden, why? |
| 21:38.11 | abrotman | harpiain: go to #svn .. ask them |
| 21:38.22 | abrotman | harpiain: /j #svn |
| 21:38.23 | harpiain | :-P |
| 21:38.29 | Thanatermesis | scite, easy text editor, yes? not works, I have tested unstable, testing an stable... very very strange |
| 21:38.30 | goron | How do I delete a specific FF extension? I think it makes FF crash when I press a button element. |
| 21:38.33 | zophyx | will anyone recommend a good virtual server provider ? |
| 21:38.36 | eeyore- | someth: you don't have to use what you don't like. you are responsible for your own choices. |
| 21:38.37 | jroes_ | checking if he can ssh to his local ip, but he's slow |
| 21:38.41 | eeyore- | somePriest: ^^^ |
| 21:39.14 | megabit | Eulex, You find link .cz. And I am from czech republic. And I think you too. |
| 21:39.16 | eeyore- | somePriest: if i make something so bad and put it out on my front lawn, YOU are not required to eat it |
| 21:39.24 | somePriest | eeyore- : I'm not sure that you answered the same question I asked. ? |
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| 21:39.47 | eeyore- | somePriest: i just did. why do you feel "bad programmers" have to be removed from their own project? |
| 21:39.50 | jroes_ | hahaha |
| 21:39.56 | somePriest | eeyore- : I'm just wondering if a new project belongs to the developer, or if the Debian community takes possession and he's just the author. |
| 21:40.08 | jroes_ | he's like "I think it's a problem with the router not being able to communicate with linux" hahaha |
| 21:40.12 | harpiain | hi! how could I remove a subversion repository on server? |
| 21:40.23 | abrotman | harpiain: /j #svn |
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| 21:40.27 | megabit | Eulex, do you understant my graphic? |
| 21:40.29 | sward | harpiain: Delete it |
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| 21:40.36 | abrotman | harpiain: how fucking hard is it ? .. /j #svn .. fucking ask them |
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| 21:40.45 | EdLin | somePriest: www.gnu.org/philosophy |
| 21:41.05 | Husam | hi i have a problem with debian |
| 21:41.08 | Husam | could anyone help me? |
| 21:41.09 | Thanatermesis | what are the problem of scite? o_O very strange work |
| 21:41.20 | abrotman | harpiain: is there a reason you can't ask them? .. are you banned from the channel? |
| 21:41.38 | nkuttler | Husam: just ask |
| 21:41.40 | EdLin | somePriest: a maintainer maintains the package for Debian, but most are not owned by Debian, assuming that one can call GPL or BSD licensed software owned. |
| 21:42.09 | abrotman | not all are GPL or BSDL |
| 21:42.27 | EdLin | abrotman: true, I'm simplifying somewhat. |
| 21:42.28 | harpiain | excuse-me abrotman! I log them now, but I only wrote on wrong room. |
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| 21:42.34 | abrotman | ok |
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| 21:42.52 | Eulex | megabit, eh, what do you mean? I googled for your computer and found that czech page, which had the text "Grafická karta Intel Extreme Graphics 2 až 64MB" in it, which was pretty easy to figure out what it meant :P |
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| 21:43.08 | Husam | dpkg: `ldconfig' not found on PATH. |
| 21:43.08 | Husam | dpkg: `start-stop-daemon' not found on PATH. |
| 21:43.08 | Husam | dpkg: `install-info' not found on PATH. |
| 21:43.08 | Husam | dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH. |
| 21:43.08 | Husam | dpkg: 4 expected program(s) not found on PATH. |
| 21:43.08 | Husam | NB: root's PATH should usually contain /usr/local/sbin, /usr/sbin and /sbin. |
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| 21:43.13 | eeyore- | somePriest: your confusion might stem from the fact that debian has "packages" for many popular software. here's how it works. |
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| 21:43.16 | Husam | i always get those errors |
| 21:43.20 | Husam | where did i get cut off? |
| 21:43.30 | Husam | i get those errors when i try apt-get install pkgname |
| 21:43.41 | abrotman | !tell Husam about paste |
| 21:43.43 | eeyore- | somePriest: there's a software package out there, call it "p". it becomes popular. people think, "hey, it'd be great if there's a convenient way for other people to install this package" |
| 21:44.03 | dondelelcaro | Husam: if you're getting those errors, you've got some serious issues with your machine. |
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| 21:44.32 | eeyore- | somePriest: so, s/he goes around making scripts *around* the package, scripts that will help to compile, install, and throws in some "debian-specific" features in there while s/he is at it. this becomes "debianized package 'p'". however, it's still *mostly* 'p' with some minor improvements/additions |
| 21:44.49 | eeyore- | somePriest: this "debian package 'p'" is what gets passed around in debian repositories. |
| 21:44.52 | paster | "Husam" at 24.30.148.39 pasted "Problem with apt-get" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/511 |
| 21:45.08 | eeyore- | somePriest: so, no, the debian package maintainers don't "own" the package (in some cases they do, but...) |
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| 21:45.49 | nkuttler | Husam: what does ls -l /sbin/ldconfig say? |
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| 21:46.23 | Husam | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 470624 May 10 16:01 /sbin/ldconfig |
| 21:46.32 | asb002 | is there a way to setup a wireless card in Debian in a way that works similar to Windows' wireless utilities? |
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| 21:46.33 | nkuttler | Husam: echo $PATH |
| 21:46.47 | Husam | /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games |
| 21:47.03 | somePriest | eeyore- : Does it have to be GPL'd to be included? Lets say I write a program, I haven't particularly licensed it, but its well known whom the original author is. Can that be included in Debian? Is it possible for the original author to decide a package should change licenses after its been placed into Debian? |
| 21:47.03 | Thanatermesis | any person please try to use scite? have a very strange bug in all debian versions, Im not understand how to posible ... |
| 21:47.05 | nkuttler | Husam: add /sbin/ and /usr/sbin/ |
| 21:47.05 | eeyore- | asb002: you mean "browse for networks" and things like that? no |
| 21:47.16 | Thanatermesis | libstdc++5 hummm..? o_O |
| 21:47.20 | Husam | nkuttler - How? |
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| 21:47.26 | eeyore- | somePriest: no, there are ways around non-GPL packages by just providing skeleton scripts that go fetch the real package, etc. |
| 21:47.27 | Husam | Im quite the linux newbie. :) |
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| 21:47.42 | asb002 | eeyore-: how about scan for networks it knows, and configure with WEP and such based on essid. if none are found, select the "best" one and use it |
| 21:47.59 | eeyore- | asb002: that is possible |
| 21:48.14 | EdLin | somePriest: it's not a wise thing to do to put something totally in the public domain like that. In some states you can be liable. (Which is the essentially disclaimer of warrenty that's part of GPL and the entirity of the "new BSD" license.) |
| 21:48.18 | eeyore- | asb002: but, i don't know the exact details for doing that on debian. my wireless stuff is on gentoo :-) |
| 21:48.25 | Thanatermesis | arghhhh !!! |
| 21:48.31 | nkuttler | Husam: google "bash change path" or something, you want to add that to your .bashrc |
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| 21:48.38 | asb002 | eeyore-: mine too. I've been spoiled. THis is a different machine... and I am trying to setup wireless |
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| 21:49.04 | somePriest | EdLin : Liable for sharing without a license? That seems really crazy. Glad I'm Canadian. |
| 21:49.14 | EdLin | somePriest: no, liable for damages |
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| 21:49.55 | EdLin | somePriest: glad you're glad. Personally I think Canada is not a real country. ;-) |
| 21:49.59 | Husam | nksen |
| 21:50.01 | Husam | nkuttler |
| 21:50.01 | PerfDave | somePriest: An author cannot retroactively change license on something they've released, even if they're Jorg Schilling. |
| 21:50.05 | Husam | I know this is very stubborn of me |
| 21:50.06 | Husam | But |
| 21:50.07 | somePriest | EdLin : That's what I mean. It seems silly, I mean unless the author has some-how forced the install onto another's machine (spyware, etc) |
| 21:50.13 | Husam | Could you please explain it to me yourself, if its not too hard? |
| 21:50.16 | Husam | Im in kind of a hurry |
| 21:50.20 | nkuttler | !tell Husam about enter |
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| 21:50.31 | eeyore- | PerfDave: nice shot :-p |
| 21:50.34 | Husam | :\ |
| 21:50.39 | streuner | !hurry |
| 21:50.39 | dpkg | Ohhhhh.... Aaaarrrreeee yyyyoooouuuuuuuuu iiiinnnn a huuuuurrrrrrryyyyy? Welllllll... |
| 21:50.44 | nkuttler | Husam: it takes more time to ask me that actually googling it |
| 21:50.58 | EdLin | somePriest: even Canada has torts, which I assume includes things like software to some extent. |
| 21:50.59 | nkuttler | s/that/than/ |
| 21:51.06 | streuner | nkuttler: hehe :-) |
| 21:51.19 | nkuttler | Husam: but i googled for you... http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/prepostpath.htm |
| 21:51.22 | eeyore- | Husam: were you root when you did what you did? |
| 21:51.41 | EdLin | somePriest: of course, it's so rutine to have a disclaimer of warrenty in software licenses that even Microsoft and other commercial firms do it - of course, they do much more than that besides. |
| 21:52.13 | dondelelcaro | Husam: you appear to be missing bits of libc6, dpkg, and sysv-rc; you'll need to reinstall those packages. |
| 21:52.14 | baroni | apt-get dist-upgrade: 50 packages to be removed!!!! Does anything has happened? |
| 21:52.32 | dondelelcaro | !tell baroni about dist-upgrade |
| 21:52.37 | sparr_ | I have an emu10k1-based SB Live. Everything works great, except when I use the mic I hear myself on my speakers. Muting the Mic channel on the alsamixer Playback list doesnt help. What else can I try? I want the mic to still work, audio going to my recording programs, but I don't want to hear myself. |
| 21:53.09 | Eulex | baroni, either you're doing a huge upgrade or you're on unstable |
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| 21:53.36 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: you'll need the emu10k1 specific binaries that can change the way the mixer routes signals to do that trivially. |
| 21:53.49 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: emu-tools? |
| 21:53.52 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: yes. |
| 21:53.58 | baroni | Eulex: testing 900, unstable 800 and stable 50 in /etc/apt/preferences; and I have dist-upgraded last week |
| 21:54.05 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: any idea what C compiler can compile them? |
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| 21:54.16 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: gcc-3.4 or 2.95 should be able to |
| 21:54.21 | somePriest | EdLin : Does a disclaimer hold any legal weight? Unrelated, but I know restaurants/hotels that post, "Not responsible for lost or stolen goods" actually are liable (In ontario anyway) |
| 21:54.30 | PerfDave | Wah, emu-tools isn't prepackaged for Sarge :) |
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| 21:54.44 | eeyore- | somePriest: why are you asking us legal questions? |
| 21:54.52 | Athon_Solo|2 | sparr_: If you have a livedrive and the mike is plugged into that, it'll be on 'aux2' or 'linein2' not 'mic' |
| 21:54.55 | eeyore- | somePriest: do you think what we tell you actually could be used in courts? |
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| 21:55.12 | eeyore- | somePriest: "your honour, i heard it on IRC that ..." |
| 21:55.16 | EdLin | somePriest: I really don't know, ask a lawyer. |
| 21:55.25 | somePriest | eeyore- : I'm curious, as legal-eese isn't my strong point, reading all the docs on such wouldn't help me much. |
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| 21:55.49 | somePriest | eeyore- : If you care to scroll back though, you'll see all my questions aren't legal-based. |
| 21:55.54 | Thanatermesis | fucking bug in scite all versions ? |
| 21:55.58 | Eulex | somePriest, #gnu or #politics might suit you better |
| 21:56.18 | koray | hi all, i'm looking for kde 3.4.2 debian packages, is there anyone knows apt address? |
| 21:56.19 | EdLin | somePriest: www.gnu.org will answer all your questions about the GPL, and give you a somewhat biased account of BSD licenses as well. At any rate, it's not really on-topic here. |
| 21:56.21 | PerfDave | somePriest: Depends on your legal jurisdiction, but as I understand it in most Berne Convention countries, Free Software licensing works such that since there's no charge for the software, there's no liability assumed by the distributor of said software. And the licenses are genuine licenses - Microsoft-style EULAs which not only are in exchange for money, but impose restrictions on users rather than grant freedoms, are actually contracts, not li |
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| 21:56.34 | eeyore- | Thanatermesis: the bug comes with a dildo and libido? |
| 21:56.44 | sward | PerfDave: contracts, not li[...] :) |
| 21:56.54 | dondelelcaro | PerfDave: waranty is far more complex than that. |
| 21:56.55 | EdLin | !topicbadger koray |
| 21:56.55 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that koray didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 21:57.04 | somePriest | PerfDave : That's what I thought regarding liability. |
| 21:57.08 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: 3.4 doesnt like newlines inside string constants. 2.95 doesnt like a lot of other stuff in the source |
| 21:57.19 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: try 3.3 then |
| 21:57.26 | sparr_ | 3.3 either |
| 21:57.28 | sparr_ | nor 4.0 |
| 21:57.38 | sparr_ | 3.*+ cant handle newlines in string constants |
| 21:57.43 | sparr_ | and 2.95 barfs on the code |
| 21:57.50 | PerfDave | somePriest: contracts, not licenses, and of dubious legal enforcement. |
| 21:57.53 | Thanatermesis | yes eeyore- |
| 21:58.03 | PerfDave | dondelelcaro: I'm sure they are, but that seems to be the jist of the legislation. |
| 21:58.10 | eeyore- | sparr_: a *literal* newline? |
| 21:58.18 | sparr_ | eeyore-: yes |
| 21:58.25 | sparr_ | eeyore-: like so |
| 21:58.25 | eeyore- | sparr_: how did you define this constant? |
| 21:58.30 | sparr_ | char foo[80]=" |
| 21:58.31 | sparr_ | blah |
| 21:58.32 | sparr_ | blah |
| 21:58.34 | sparr_ | "; |
| 21:58.40 | somePriest | PerfDave : I meant regarding no charge/no liability. not the license/contract. |
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| 21:58.51 | eeyore- | sparr_: char foo[80]=""\<newline>"bar" |
| 21:58.53 | PerfDave | somePriest: I was finishing the line, as sward informed me that it had been cut off |
| 21:59.03 | sparr_ | eeyore-: yes, im well aware of how its supposed to be done |
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| 21:59.12 | eeyore- | sparr_: so why did you do it the illegal way? |
| 21:59.15 | sparr_ | i didnt |
| 21:59.20 | sparr_ | the authore of the emu10k1 tools did |
| 21:59.25 | sparr_ | -e |
| 21:59.26 | eeyore- | sparr_: smack them! :-) |
| 21:59.31 | somePriest | PerfDave : Ok, thought it was a correction to what I said. |
| 21:59.38 | Eulex | sparr_, correct it and send him a patch |
| 21:59.43 | smo_ | i can t find this damn libX11.so.4, i have libX11.so.6 i tried ln -s in the same dir but nothing... |
| 22:00.05 | streuner | !find libX11.so.4 |
| 22:00.22 | eeyore- | the guys/gals got to be maintainer of emu10k1 tools and don't know how to define strings properly? |
| 22:00.23 | somePriest | PerfDave : I wonder if clicking a button, which can be done accidentally and by someone other then the machine owner, is even a legal way to accept contracts. |
| 22:00.23 | Eulex | smo_, apt-file search libX11.so.4 returns nothing. it's not in debian. |
| 22:00.25 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libX11.so.4' returned no results. |
| 22:00.28 | eeyore- | this is a WTF moment |
| 22:00.39 | pepsi | how do I grep on stderr instead of stdin ? |
| 22:00.53 | streuner | eeyore-: WaitTillFind? ;-) |
| 22:01.01 | eeyore- | pepe: foo 2>/tmp/err; grep "" /tmp/err |
| 22:01.18 | PerfDave | somePriest: It's debatable, but I think Microsoft rely on the fact that they can afford bigger lawyers than you ;) |
| 22:01.23 | smo_ | i know eulex, it s required for looking glass (java 3d desktop) |
| 22:01.31 | EdLin | somePriest: the propritary software business is based on the concept that it is. |
| 22:01.39 | sparr_ | eeyore-: maintainer? he wrote it |
| 22:01.40 | dondelelcaro | sparr_: it may have been awesfx |
| 22:01.40 | Husam | eeyore- |
| 22:01.42 | Husam | Yes i was root. |
| 22:02.01 | sparr_ | dondelelcaro: yeah, i saw that one... ill try it |
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| 22:02.33 | somePriest | PerfDave : I suppose. The GPL confuses me a bit. I understand why a group would want the source for a project, but I also understand that a programmer, having to pay for school, might want to make money off software he's spent time making (as opposed to supporting it via phone, and doing the odd upgrade, extension for a fee). |
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| 22:02.58 | eeyore- | somePriest: what about the programmers who *don't* have to program for a living? |
| 22:03.10 | eeyore- | somePriest: what about folks who do other things for day job and program at night? |
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| 22:03.22 | eeyore- | somePriest: or whatever happens to volunteerism? |
| 22:03.25 | sparr_ | eeyore-: why did you say maintainer? |
| 22:03.31 | eeyore- | sparr_: no particular reason |
| 22:03.34 | EdLin | somePriest: or programmers that enjoy programming, do it for a living, but work on their own projects that they don't want to turn into a business too? |
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| 22:03.55 | somePriest | eeyore- : In which case they can afford a more GPL-like license. I didn't say it should not exist. |
| 22:04.14 | noux | plz can someone tell me how can I change my resolution 800*600 to 1280*1024 ? |
| 22:04.21 | noux | I can't change it :/ |
| 22:04.24 | noux | and I'm still a noob |
| 22:04.25 | eeyore- | somePriest: what about me? i write *some* code for a living, but i also have things that are GPL as well (ok, it's not likely YOU'll find them, but :-) |
| 22:04.30 | rob_lt | !tell noux about drx |
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| 22:04.38 | noux | rob_lt, ty |
| 22:04.44 | rob_lt | np |
| 22:05.03 | somePriest | eeyore- : Don't get me wrong, I have no issues with coding for fun and releasing it to GPL. But if all non-free code was thrown out the window, a LOT of people would lose their jobs. |
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| 22:05.27 | eeyore- | somePriest: are we skipping to economics now? |
| 22:05.39 | dondelelcaro | somePriest: job loss has nothing to do with Free Software. |
| 22:05.50 | somePriest | eeyore- : I don't think MS would stay in business if it was forced to go GPL. |
| 22:05.52 | EdLin | somePriest: I'm trying to figure out what this has to do with Debian |
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| 22:06.08 | somePriest | EdLin : Follow the conversation chain, that's how we got here. |
| 22:06.23 | PerfDave | somePriest: There are plenty of reasons to use the GPL, and plenty of ways to get paid for it. I've been paid to write code which I've later been able to release under Free Software licenses. |
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| 22:06.38 | eeyore- | somePriest: dude, #debian is not a place for this type of discussion. it's waaaaaay off topic. |
| 22:06.58 | eeyore- | somePriest: it's not that these discussions are not interesting. it's just that it's cluttering the channel for other more on-topic questions |
| 22:07.02 | PerfDave | somePriest: I suggest reading the FAQs on http://www.gnu.org/ |
| 22:07.11 | noux | rob_lt, it doesn't work :/ |
| 22:07.15 | EdLin | somePriest: yes, the conversation chain started with you asking about BSD hardware support. |
| 22:07.23 | Eulex | noux, ah, ain't you the guy who hasn't got permission to access your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as root? |
| 22:07.25 | somePriest | eeyore- : Fair enough, I never said I wasn't considerate. |
| 22:07.26 | eeyore- | somePriest: and i personally don't have the bandwidth for them. so i'll do what i can, and i'll stop responding to you personally :-) |
| 22:07.27 | rob_lt | !it doesn't work |
| 22:07.27 | noux | rob^, have I to restart my computer or to launch something special , |
| 22:07.32 | noux | Eulex, sure I am :D |
| 22:07.38 | rob_lt | !doesn't work |
| 22:07.39 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 22:07.40 | EdLin | somePriest: so it was off-topic trolling to begin with. |
| 22:07.44 | somePriest | EdLin : Ummm, you might want to reread that first question then, because that is not what I was asking. |
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| 22:07.54 | PerfDave | eeyore-: There is always /ignore ;) |
| 22:08.01 | rob_lt | noux, try pressing ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 22:08.03 | streuner | haha |
| 22:08.04 | eeyore- | PerfDave: self-restraint |
| 22:08.09 | Eulex | noux, fsck'ed your fs? and what fs do you use? |
| 22:08.13 | noux | rob^, doesn't work too |
| 22:08.25 | noux | Eulex, what's fs ? |
| 22:08.33 | Eulex | !fs |
| 22:08.35 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Is fun, but doing hitches one-handed is a bugger. |
| 22:08.37 | noux | Eulex, :D |
| 22:08.38 | Soeki | filesystem? |
| 22:08.40 | Eulex | noux, file system |
| 22:08.42 | noux | Eulex, debian ? |
| 22:08.49 | noux | Eulex, kernel ? |
| 22:08.53 | jcole | anyone here use a cms that is in debian that they are happy with? |
| 22:08.56 | EdLin | somePriest: OK, explain to me what it has to do with Debian. |
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| 22:09.07 | rob_lt | noux, are you running the command as root? Do you have permission to edit your XF86Config-4 file? |
| 22:09.26 | noux | rob_lt, I just executed the command you gave me |
| 22:09.27 | mischko | I uninstalled postfix using apt-get and it automatically installed exim4. How do I uninstall exim4? |
| 22:09.38 | noux | rob_lt, then I chose my featured resolution |
| 22:09.43 | somePriest | EdLin : The question was if Linux (Debian) will gain vendor support faster then other non-windows, which I knew to not have brilliant vendor support. |
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| 22:09.47 | noux | rob_lt, and I can't go on 1280*1024 |
| 22:09.47 | streuner | mischko: install postfix |
| 22:09.58 | mischko | streuner, what if I want to compile my own postfix? |
| 22:10.07 | Eulex | rob_lt, I talked to him earlier. if he tries to access his /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 even as root, he get permission denied |
| 22:10.11 | noux | rob_lt, let me see for xf86 but last time I wasn't able to modify it |
| 22:10.24 | EdLin | somePriest: in other words, a poll. |
| 22:10.28 | PerfDave | mischko: Then use equivs, or compile the Debian source package. |
| 22:10.33 | EdLin | !poll |
| 22:10.33 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 22:10.36 | noux | Eulex, and rob_lt it may be something stupid, I'm noob |
| 22:10.50 | EdLin | oops, wrong factoid |
| 22:11.02 | EdLin | !bad polls |
| 22:11.02 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! |
| 22:11.05 | mischko | PerfDave, It doesn't appear that the latest "experimental" version of postfix is available in debian land. |
| 22:11.10 | somePriest | EdLin : A poll? That was not my intention. I can't control how you perceive what I ask. |
| 22:11.11 | mischko | PerfDave, what's "equivs" |
| 22:11.18 | Eulex | noux, try running cat /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 as root |
| 22:11.18 | PerfDave | mischko: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
| 22:11.20 | PerfDave | mischko: /msg dpkg equivs |
| 22:11.23 | streuner | !info equivs |
| 22:11.25 | dpkg | equivs: (Circumvent Debian package dependencies), section admin, is extra. Version: 2.0.6-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 17 kB, Installed size: 132 kB |
| 22:12.07 | streuner | !info ssmtp |
| 22:12.12 | EdLin | somePriest: anyway, since Debian is both a Linux and a FreeBSD distribution, your (original) question is irrelevant. |
| 22:12.13 | dpkg | ssmtp: (extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mail hub), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.61-4 (sid), Packaged size: 36 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 22:12.25 | streuner | mischko: ^^^ |
| 22:12.26 | noux | Eulex, ok I've some details |
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| 22:13.03 | Eulex | noux, this was to test if you still get permission denied. do you? |
| 22:13.13 | noux | Eulex, no, I can access |
| 22:13.18 | noux | Eulex, that's so strange |
| 22:13.22 | Eulex | noux, ok |
| 22:13.32 | rob_lt | noux, have you hit ctrl-alt-backspace to restart the X server? |
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| 22:13.36 | PerfDave | mischko: Your system requires an MTA that apt knows about. When you removed postfix, it installed exim4, the default MTA. If you want to compile your own MTA, compile it into /usr/local and use equivs to tell apt that it's there :) |
| 22:13.39 | noux | rob^, yea |
| 22:13.44 | noux | rob_lt, yeah |
| 22:13.45 | somePriest | EdLin : If it would make you feel better, frop the word "Freebsd" from it, replace it with any non-linux os you like, then provide an answer. Or alter it to read, "Has Debian had drastic increase in vendor hardware support over the last 10 years?" The wording wasn't terribly relevant, its the concept that was important to me. |
| 22:13.46 | rob_lt | ok |
| 22:13.49 | Eulex | noux, I dunno the reason, though it seems to work |
| 22:13.55 | Eulex | now |
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| 22:14.04 | noux | Eulex, what have I to do to change my resolution after configuration ? |
| 22:14.05 | mischko | PerfDave, sounds like a pain but I'll check into it. Thanks! |
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| 22:14.18 | EdLin | somePriest: the answer to your question is yes, but not enough. |
| 22:14.26 | Eulex | noux, does your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 contain the resolutions you chose? |
| 22:14.31 | rob_lt | noux, do you get any errors when you run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" as root? |
| 22:14.32 | streuner | somePriest: why do you care about those things at all? |
| 22:14.33 | Husam | nkuttler - do i type $PATH = $PATH:/sbin/ |
| 22:14.53 | somePriest | EdLin : What will Debian need to do as to get better vendor support, or is Debian doing what is needed, or is what is needed even a concern? |
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| 22:15.13 | rob_lt | Husam, no $ on the first PATH |
| 22:15.25 | rob_lt | export PATH=$PATH:/sbin |
| 22:15.25 | noux | Eulex, no, in the section screen, there are just resolutions I checked I didn't want to use |
| 22:15.29 | dondelelcaro | somePriest: vendor support rarely actually involves Debian; most of it is a function of the vendor or the kernel and the vendor. |
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| 22:15.36 | EdLin | somePriest: q) How do you feel about apathy and ignorance? a) I don't know, and I don't care! |
| 22:15.37 | noux | rob_lt, no I dont |
| 22:15.38 | Eulex | noux, hmm |
| 22:16.06 | Eulex | noux, what does "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" print? |
| 22:16.11 | somePriest | edlin : I'm not sure how that relates. Everyone is ignorant until they've learned, no matter how they learn. |
| 22:16.29 | Husam | so rob_lt |
| 22:16.34 | EdLin | somePriest: most people don't go about learning by asking trolls in IRC. |
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| 22:16.36 | Husam | to add a directory to PATH |
| 22:16.42 | streuner | somePriest: ignorant people don't want learn .... |
| 22:16.55 | Husam | i type 'export PATH=$PATH:/sbin/' ? |
| 22:17.02 | streuner | somePriest: but again, why do you care about those things at all? |
| 22:17.04 | EdLin | s/asking trolls/asking troll questions/ |
| 22:17.05 | somePriest | EdLin : I'm trying to learn, are you suggesting I'm asking trolls? |
| 22:17.13 | rob_lt | Husam, yep |
| 22:17.25 | rob_lt | you can add that line to your .bashrc file in your home directory |
| 22:17.27 | mischko | installing equivs wants to upgrade my glibc library. That can break a lot of my compiled applications, right? |
| 22:17.31 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: insinuating that someone isn't a troll doesn't help. Just use /ignore instead |
| 22:17.32 | Husam | and also 'export PATH=$PATH:/usr/sbin/' |
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| 22:17.37 | somePriest | EdLin : Ah. Well, can you show me a list of troll questions so I know what I should not ask? The questions I'm asking are important to me, even if you think they're not. |
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| 22:17.58 | noux | Eulex, Files /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum and - are differents. |
| 22:18.08 | streuner | somePriest: WHY are those questions important for you? |
| 22:18.17 | somePriest | EdLin : I mean its really unfortunate if I have questions, but I'm not allowed to ask them because you think they're not important. |
| 22:18.19 | rob_lt | Husam, export PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin |
| 22:18.21 | EdLin | somePriest: well, GNU/Linux supports my hardware fairly well, so I'm satisfied with its hardware support. It even supports my PCI TV tuner better than its included windows software. |
| 22:18.33 | Eulex | noux, run md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum |
| 22:18.42 | Husam | ehh my problem is fixed without that rob_lt |
| 22:18.46 | Husam | do i still need it? |
| 22:18.52 | Husam | oh |
| 22:18.54 | Husam | nevermind :P |
| 22:18.59 | rob_lt | Husam, how should I know :) |
| 22:19.11 | Husam | thanks for the help |
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| 22:19.15 | rob_lt | np |
| 22:19.28 | noux | Eulex, okay, it does nothing |
| 22:19.31 | jeld | hello all |
| 22:19.38 | noux | Eulex, nothing apears in the console |
| 22:19.54 | Eulex | noux, nothing should appear in the console |
| 22:19.59 | harrydg | anyone interested in writing a selfmodifying program with self-encoding? |
| 22:20.10 | Eulex | noux, now, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:20.13 | noux | Eulex, okay, then ? |
| 22:20.16 | jeld | Can anyone enlighten me, why isn't it possible to install libapache2-mod-php4 with apache2-mpm-worker? |
| 22:20.17 | rob_lt | harrydg, not me |
| 22:20.17 | noux | Eulex, okay |
| 22:20.29 | harrydg | right now, i have a shellcode encoder. i need to obfuscate the decoder |
| 22:20.34 | dondelelcaro | jeld: because it's not threadsafe. |
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| 22:20.52 | jeld | dondelelcaro, php4 is not? |
| 22:20.52 | Eulex | harrydg, why would anybody be? |
| 22:20.57 | dondelelcaro | jeld: nope. |
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| 22:21.05 | harrydg | then, let the program encode itsself totally (again) with totally random keys |
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| 22:21.10 | harrydg | Eulex: just for the fun of it |
| 22:21.15 | jeld | dondelelcaro, what about php5? |
| 22:21.23 | mischko | PerfDave, installing equivs wants to upgrade my glibc library. That can break a lot of my compiled applications, right? |
| 22:21.26 | harrydg | polymorphic shell, undetectable, untracable |
| 22:21.36 | dondelelcaro | jeld: afaik, no as well. The primary issue being with the extensions, apparently. But then again, it's php. |
| 22:21.37 | harrydg | unstopable by ids |
| 22:21.44 | harrydg | so... why not!? |
| 22:21.53 | noux | Eulex, mwarf I've to restart I think |
| 22:21.57 | Eulex | harrydg, sounds like s/shell/virus/ |
| 22:22.01 | Eulex | noux, you don't |
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| 22:22.04 | SimonRaven | /ig -replies harrydg |
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| 22:22.24 | harrydg | Eulex: could use it for that too, yes |
| 22:22.24 | noux | Eulex, error is : debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 22:22.24 | noux | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:22.51 | harrydg | but that would be windows fun |
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| 22:23.07 | harrydg | think it's just a nice challenge to make a super polymorphic program |
| 22:23.08 | dondelelcaro | noux: you've got two dpkg's running, most likely. |
| 22:23.31 | Eulex | noux, is another process that is using the dpkg db running, like apt-get, aptitude or synaptic? |
| 22:23.33 | harrydg | biggest problem is, encoding the decryptor, so that it's non-detectable |
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| 22:24.05 | rixth | Are there anyother graphical FTP clients that gFTP was it really sucks, crashes every few minutes |
| 22:24.06 | PerfDave | mischko: If installing equivs wants to upgrade your glibc, something in your apt sources is screwed. |
| 22:24.28 | noux | Eulex, negative :/ |
| 22:25.18 | noux | Eulex, I've unvolountary closed the window during the config |
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| 22:25.33 | mischko | PerfDave, I've changed my apt sources around. That may be a no-no? |
| 22:25.40 | noux | Eulex, during the re-configuration I mean |
| 22:26.01 | noux | I come back fast :/ |
| 22:26.06 | noux | but can you tell me |
| 22:26.12 | noux | how can I change the resolution ? |
| 22:26.13 | Eulex | noux, lsof |grep /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ? |
| 22:26.15 | noux | is it automatic ? |
| 22:26.17 | PerfDave | mischko: Well, you've changed your apt sources in such a way that installing equivs wants to upgrade glibc, which as you've observed is probably a bad idea. |
| 22:26.28 | Eulex | noux, first your other problems have to be solved |
| 22:26.39 | streuner | mischko: show us your sources.list |
| 22:26.43 | PerfDave | mischko: Changing your apt sources isn't an inherent no-no, but the way you've done it seems to be ;) |
| 22:26.44 | noux | Eulex, okay |
| 22:26.49 | streuner | mischko: /msg dpkg paster |
| 22:26.51 | noux | Eulex, I think it's ok, I reconfigure |
| 22:27.01 | rob_lt | rixth, go to gnome-apps.org and search for ftp in descriptions |
| 22:27.18 | Eulex | noux, it is? |
| 22:27.33 | noux | Eulex, no. / |
| 22:27.34 | paster | "mischko" at 71.111.118.246 pasted "apt sources" (5 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/512 |
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| 22:27.45 | rixth | Thanks |
| 22:28.12 | streuner | argh |
| 22:28.21 | PerfDave | mischko: See, you've got lines for testing and unstable in there, which is probably a bad idea - apt is probably trying to install equivs from unstable, which depends on a higher glibc. Which version of Debian do you *want* to be running? |
| 22:28.22 | noux | Eulex, then do I restart ? |
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| 22:29.15 | Eulex | noux, you shouldn't need to -- did the above command print anything |
| 22:29.17 | mischko | PerfDave, I don't have enough knowlege of Debian to answer that question very well. I am making a on-line web server with my own compiled httpd, postgresq, python, postfix (all the latest versions). |
| 22:29.45 | noux | Eulex, no |
| 22:29.46 | mischko | PerfDave, Debian packages are not available for the latest versions of these. |
| 22:29.52 | Eulex | noux, hmm |
| 22:29.53 | noux | Eulex, nothing was printed |
| 22:30.02 | PerfDave | mischko: If you're compiling everything yourself, then it sounds to me like you don't want Debian at all. |
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| 22:30.07 | everflux | mischko: even not in unstable or on apt-get.org ? |
| 22:30.16 | mischko | everflux, I'll double-check. |
| 22:30.25 | rob_lt | Eulex, maybe just get him to reboot, re-run the md5sum, and the re-configure the xserver? |
| 22:30.32 | mischko | PerfDave, I'm on a virtual server and have a limited supply of os distribs to choose from. |
| 22:30.37 | streuner | unstable isn't a good idea for a server... |
| 22:30.40 | Eulex | noux, well, if your fs if corrupt, it will be fsck'ed by rebooting, and that's good -- and the file won't be looked anymore |
| 22:30.44 | everflux | mischko: you'll save you a lot of trouble if you use maintained packages instead reinventing slackware :) |
| 22:30.48 | mischko | PerfDave, I'd be much happier if I didn't have to compile all this. |
| 22:30.49 | PerfDave | mischko: Debian (particularly the stable version) provides you with a set of packages designed to integrate together nicely. It's not intended to have the latest versions of everything (though the unstable branch is rarely far behind), it's designed to be stable and secure. |
| 22:31.02 | noux | Eulex, then I restart |
| 22:31.05 | nvz | oh well looks like no packages for me today :( I want my money back if I got to wait until Monday.. I am not paying these idiots to take forever to deliver me something I bought a week ago |
| 22:31.05 | noux | Eulex, ? |
| 22:31.10 | Eulex | noux, yes |
| 22:31.26 | PerfDave | mischko: Why do you think you need the bleeding-edge version of everything? There are a lot of people (myself included) running web applications on Debian Stable's packages. |
| 22:31.31 | everflux | streuner: generally speaking you're right - but if he *needs* the cutting edge... |
| 22:31.50 | PerfDave | mischko: If you hand-compile everything, you lose Debian's security infrastructure and make more work for yourself. |
| 22:32.34 | PerfDave | mischko: Either way, this is irrelevant to your equivs problem. I suggest that you just want stable in your sources.list, though if you've installed or updated stuff since putting testing and unstable in there, then your system is probably in an indeterminate state which will cause problems later on. |
| 22:32.40 | streuner | mischko: in fact you have to maintain every package yourself and those security updates too... |
| 22:32.54 | streuner | which is almost impossible |
| 22:33.10 | everflux | and running unstable is afaik better than handling all yourself (I'm running 2 unstable web/db servers for quite some time - they proved to be stable, but only cause I managed to solve glitches whenever they appeared) |
| 22:33.53 | PerfDave | mischko: I think possibly your easiest option right now is to do a reinstall / reimage, keep your sources.list pointing at stable, and try to work *with* Debian wherever possible, rather than fighting it. |
| 22:33.56 | nvz | hmm. I think I am going to call the Beer Dist. |
| 22:33.57 | sbk | everflux: Out of curiosity, what did you need from unstable that you did not find in stable to run those servers? |
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| 22:34.41 | me_here | night all |
| 22:34.42 | everflux | sbk: that was prior to the release of sarge, I needed current versions of php and wanted to try apache2 |
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| 22:34.55 | mischko | Can I set the apt sources to stable and have apt tell me what versions are installed that are newer than the ones in stable? |
| 22:35.07 | Jeaton | what does debian have over most other linux distros? |
| 22:35.09 | everflux | sbk: and I really would like to have an apache2-threaded with php4-zts or something, I guess it would save me much load... |
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| 22:35.17 | PerfDave | Jeaton: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 22:35.32 | PerfDave | Hmm, that didn't work. |
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| 22:35.46 | PerfDave | mischko: You can, but it's going to be very hard to downgrade things. A reinstall / reimage would be quicker. |
| 22:35.57 | everflux | sbk: on my local server I wanted to have a current subversion and asterisk, so I choose unstable there, too |
| 22:36.00 | Jeaton | <dpkg> not in testing yet is ($1): $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 22:36.05 | mischko | PerfDave, I don't want to downgrade, yet. I want to see how bad the problem is. |
| 22:36.06 | Eulex | mischko, again, why do you need those newer versions? |
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| 22:36.38 | nvz | fug. oh well I am not going to the beer dist. I dont want/need a whole damn case :P |
| 22:36.58 | mischko | Eulex, I want the latest versions of some of my main pieces: Postgresql, Apache and Python/Mod_Python. They have security fixes and/or functionality that I want. |
| 22:37.14 | PerfDave | mischko: I'm not aware of a script to do it, but "apt-cache policy foo" will show you which version of foo you have installed, which versions you can install, and from where; it should be pretty trivial to script something around that. |
| 22:37.20 | nvz | looks like I am going to have to bum a ride to the Beer Store in moon |
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| 22:37.43 | PerfDave | mischko: You don't understand how Debian security updates work, obviously. This should be obvious from the fact that you don't have a security.debian.org line in your sources.list |
| 22:38.11 | mischko | PerfDave, you're right. How'z it work? |
| 22:38.28 | mischko | PerfDave, I have this line in there: |
| 22:38.28 | mischko | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 22:38.39 | PerfDave | mischko: If you run Debian Stable, then security fixes get *backported* to the version in stable, to minimise disruption to production systems. You don't need to run the latest versions to get the security updates - check the debian-security-announce mailing list for details. |
| 22:38.41 | mischko | PerfDave, I missed it in my pastebot. |
| 22:38.45 | PerfDave | mischko: That wasn't in the bit of your sources.list that you pasted ;) |
| 22:38.59 | Jeaton | PerfDave - the bot is screwed up or something, do you know the link off the top of your head? |
| 22:39.01 | nvz | dpkg, not in testing yet $1 is <reply> $1 is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=$1 |
| 22:39.01 | dpkg | okay, nvz |
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| 22:39.09 | mischko | PerfDave, How do I know that the security fixes in the latest mod_python have been backported, for instance? |
| 22:39.13 | PerfDave | mischko: But that security.debian.org line will only be useful if you're running stable; stable is the only branch of Debian that gets security updates. |
| 22:39.23 | PerfDave | mischko: Read the debian-security-announce list, or check http://security.debian.org/ |
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| 22:39.29 | nvz | dpkg, not in testing foo |
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| 22:39.40 | nvz | dpkg, not in testing yet foo |
| 22:39.41 | dpkg | foo is not in testing for the reasons listed on http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=foo |
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| 22:40.20 | PerfDave | mischko: http://www.debian.org/security/2005/dsa-689 ? |
| 22:40.57 | mischko | PerfDave, found it. Thanks. |
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| 22:41.22 | mischko | PerfDave, I'll have to decide how to handle this. I'd rather not go through a reinstall because I don't think I've installed that much above the stable level. |
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| 22:41.46 | mischko | How do I get dpkg/apt to show me all packages installed so I can make a "policy" script? |
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| 22:42.07 | rob_lt | dpkg -l |
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| 22:42.48 | guerr3x | wenax |
| 22:42.51 | guerr3x | alguien habla español? |
| 22:42.56 | Eulex | !es |
| 22:42.56 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 22:42.57 | noux | Eulex, re it works !! |
| 22:42.57 | nkuttler | !es |
| 22:43.04 | mischko | So I should set sources to deb ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 22:43.04 | mischko | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 22:43.09 | Thanatermesis | Ok SCITE not works because LIBPANGO not works good |
| 22:43.12 | noux | Eulex, that's cool, abd I don' t know wht |
| 22:43.13 | mischko | , run apt-get update then go from there? |
| 22:43.17 | Eulex | noux, ok -- higher resolution now? |
| 22:43.39 | nkuttler | mischko: dpkg --get-selections |
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| 22:43.46 | mischko | nkuttler, what's that do? |
| 22:43.59 | PerfDave | mischko: That'd be a good start |
| 22:44.36 | noux | Eulex, 1280*960 |
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| 22:44.49 | noux | Eulex, maybe 1280*1024 was not available ... dunno |
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| 22:47.27 | noux | Eulex, a great thanks anyway :)) |
| 22:47.34 | Rubin | do i have to restart x to make my user have its new group privs? |
| 22:47.45 | PerfDave | !info libc6 sid |
| 22:47.49 | eigenlambda | Setting up base-config (2.70) ... |
| 22:47.49 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4811 kB, Installed size: 16336 kB |
| 22:47.49 | eigenlambda | /var/lib/dpkg/info/base-config.postinst: line 59: syntax error near unexpected token `db_fset' |
| 22:47.58 | PerfDave | Rubin: You have to log back in to X |
| 22:48.00 | buu | Hrm. How do I get X.org on stable? |
| 22:48.06 | Eulex | noux, you selected 1280x1024? if that's the case, check the X log (in /var/log/) to check what the reason is |
| 22:48.12 | eigenlambda | for q in mirror/suite mirror/http/proxy apt-setup/uri_type \ |
| 22:48.20 | eigenlambda | <snip> |
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| 22:48.21 | Eulex | noux, np |
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| 22:48.27 | streuner | buu: /msg dpkg xorg sarge |
| 22:48.29 | eigenlambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.29 | eigenlambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.29 | eigenlambda | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:48.30 | Rubin | PerfDave: man that bites. thats like rebooting |
| 22:48.35 | Rubin | thanks |
| 22:48.48 | buu | streuner: Yep, just found that, thanks. |
| 22:48.59 | Eulex | anyway, gotta go to bed... goodnight |
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| 22:49.21 | halibut | anyone having trouble installing jackd from repos? |
| 22:50.10 | eigenlambda | in /usr/share/debconf/confmodule, `db_fset () { _db_cmd "FSET $@"; }` |
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| 22:52.28 | sbk | How do I do the "inverse" map -- given a file, what package created it? |
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| 22:52.57 | PerfDave | Ah, single square braces, not double |
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| 22:54.10 | mfrisch | I can't figure out what is blocking streams from working, I stopped my firewall no work. It worked before I installed something. Now it won't resolve the url that is an ip. What is going on? |
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| 22:55.15 | paulswm | PerfDave: for strings, '[ string1 != string2 ]', for arithmetic, '[ a -ne b ]' |
| 22:56.14 | spoopin | PerfDave: I always forget that, too. |
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| 22:56.22 | codecaine | hey all |
| 22:56.22 | eigenlambda | paulswm: wow, thats nice and backwards |
| 22:56.35 | paulswm | eigenlambda: I always thought that too |
| 22:56.40 | codecaine | anyone know how i can decipher the last two digits in an ftp passive command to determine real port number? |
| 22:56.48 | spoopin | spk: look at apt-file |
| 22:57.15 | Anders | Hi, my charset changed to USASCII in all applications |
| 22:57.17 | eigenlambda | netstat will tell you what ports are open |
| 22:57.22 | Anders | how can i change it to ISO-8859-1? |
| 22:57.30 | spoopin | codecaine: djb used to have a portion of his site devoted to explaining the ftp protocol. I'd check there. |
| 22:57.40 | codecaine | what's the site? |
| 22:57.56 | eigenlambda | utf-8 is the the charset all the cool kids use |
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| 22:58.28 | spoopin | codecaine: cr.yp.to |
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| 22:58.41 | paulswm | Of course, for not equal you could always use "(( a - b )) && echo 'equal'" |
| 22:58.43 | Anders | eigenlambda, whatever charset, i prefer ISO-8859-1, however, how can i change it back? |
| 22:58.50 | Anders | US-ASCII is annoying. |
| 22:58.52 | spoopin | codecaine: I don't rememvbre where on the site, though.. |
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| 22:59.09 | codecaine | thx |
| 22:59.14 | spoopin | codecaine: np |
| 22:59.20 | codecaine | http://www.maxum.com/Rumpus/FAQFTP.html tells you also |
| 22:59.37 | spoopin | codecaine: cool |
| 23:00.08 | eigenlambda | Anders: try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:00.11 | eigenlambda | or something |
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| 23:00.24 | Anders | eigenlambda, ok |
| 23:00.25 | paulswm | I mean '[ $(( a - b )) ] && echo 'equal'" |
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| 23:00.54 | PerfDave | Oh, *fuck*, that's annoying. It has to be [ "$foo" != "$bar" ], I left out the space after the bracket |
| 23:01.14 | yonkeltron | GOOD SHABBOS!!! |
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| 23:01.28 | spoopin | PerfDave: That's why Perl exists :) |
| 23:01.32 | PerfDave | Hey, yonkeltron! |
| 23:01.45 | PerfDave | spoopin: Yeah, I'm trying to wean myself off Perl, bash scripting presents more of a challenge. |
| 23:02.41 | spoopin | PerfDave: Indeed. I recently finished a Bash project that required some complex datastructures. I've never used eval so much in my life. |
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| 23:03.07 | paster | "mischko" at 71.111.118.246 pasted "6 packages with differences from stable" (18 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/513 |
| 23:03.32 | mischko | PerfDave, Please see the pastebot. It looks like I have very few differences between stable and what's on my box. |
| 23:03.49 | PerfDave | mischko: Those look like packages with security updates, actually - you can check with a full "apt-cache policy foo" for each |
| 23:03.57 | mischko | I did. |
| 23:04.03 | mischko | I have the output file here. |
| 23:04.08 | PerfDave | mischko: And damn you for being faster off the mark than me, or damn me for trying to do things with bash that I can do in Perl more easily. |
| 23:04.11 | PerfDave | mischko: Paste it? |
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| 23:04.21 | mischko | Hang on. |
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| 23:04.48 | paster | "mischko" at 71.111.118.246 pasted "policy output" (1697 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/514 |
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| 23:05.03 | mischko | I put exclamation points by the packages with differences. |
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| 23:05.26 | paster | "PerfDave" at 82.69.130.94 pasted "Elite version-checking script for Debian" (12 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/515 |
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| 23:05.32 | jetx | if apt-key is part of the package apt, how come i get 'not found' |
| 23:06.10 | PerfDave | mischko: Can you just do it for those six packages where you noticed the difference? |
| 23:06.30 | mischko | Just search for ! in the web page. You'll find 'em real quick. |
| 23:06.55 | PerfDave | mischko: But there are also a load of uninstalled packages there too |
| 23:06.56 | X2 | hi, guys |
| 23:07.15 | mischko | About 4 or 5 only. |
| 23:07.26 | jetx | ahh it's not a part of apt in testing i suppose |
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| 23:08.02 | JViz | i have a qmail+vpopmail+qmailadmin install that is bouncing mail all over the place. Is there a cleaner solution? possibly webmin? |
| 23:08.03 | X2 | i'm havin high load at 1st login in Xwindows, 3.84 and my sound gave en erro "cpu overloaded error". what can i do ? |
| 23:08.09 | JViz | er |
| 23:08.12 | PerfDave | mischko: Anyway, they all seem to be security updates, so I think you're safe this time - just apt-get upgrade to install the versions from security.debian.org |
| 23:08.17 | JViz | sendmail or postfix + webmin? |
| 23:08.26 | prock | X2: xorg or XFree? |
| 23:08.28 | jetx | !webmin |
| 23:08.28 | dpkg | webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." |
| 23:08.42 | PerfDave | Ick, qmail or webmin. That's like choosing between AIDS and cancer. |
| 23:08.53 | mischko | PerfDave, I find that hard to believe. I'd have thought some newer things were installed. Double check my procedure? |
| 23:08.55 | JViz | well |
| 23:08.59 | JViz | what is the preferred method? |
| 23:09.15 | mischko | PerfDave, Your script matched the results of my visual check at any rate. |
| 23:09.40 | spoopin | PerfDave: just qmail or all djb-ware? |
| 23:09.50 | PerfDave | spoopin: Well, anything under djb's crackware license ;) |
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| 23:10.09 | PerfDave | mischko: Well, can you verify for yourself? I think that those six packages which you have installed, whose installed and candidate versions don't match, don't match because they have a higher version available from security.debian.org. |
| 23:10.10 | plhofmei | sward: I found the problem...messed up NSS switch file |
| 23:10.16 | spoopin | PerfDave: crackware. I like that. |
| 23:10.36 | mischko | PerfDave, I find it hard to believe that I don't have anything from unstable, testing, etc. |
| 23:10.49 | PerfDave | mischko: So do I, but it appears to be the case. |
| 23:10.53 | mischko | wow. |
| 23:10.59 | PerfDave | mischko: Perhaps you only hand-compiled stuff. |
| 23:11.15 | PerfDave | mischko: By the way, you *did* hand-compile all your stuff into /usr/local, right? Because if you didn't, you're going to have random breakages. |
| 23:11.22 | X2 | prock : Xfree, kde 3.3 |
| 23:11.27 | mischko | I'll double check that. |
| 23:11.38 | sward | plhofmei: Cool, thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind in case it ever happens to me (or anyone else) :) |
| 23:11.42 | mischko | I'll also re-evaluate the versions available from stable. |
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| 23:12.05 | mischko | PerfDave, they just released a new version of stable didn't they (Debian)? |
| 23:12.16 | PerfDave | mischko: "just" as in a couple of months ago. |
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| 23:12.25 | JViz | what is the preferred vhosting solution if it's not webmin or qmail? |
| 23:12.30 | PerfDave | mischko: You appear to be running it. |
| 23:12.42 | mischko | PerfDave, I'm running the newer "stable"? |
| 23:12.43 | PerfDave | JViz: Anything not involving webmin or qmail? ;) |
| 23:12.46 | mischko | I thought not. |
| 23:12.53 | JViz | PerfDave: such as? |
| 23:13.02 | PerfDave | JViz: exim, postfix, whatever. |
| 23:13.36 | JViz | afaik, they don't have administrative frontends, maybe a bunch of conf files, but i don't want clients editing conf files... |
| 23:13.42 | PerfDave | mischko: You appear to be. Your sources.list says "stable", you've recently done an "apt-get update", so assuming that your local mirror isn't two months out of date (which it isn't judging by the comparisons with the versions from security.debian.org) you should be fine. |
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| 23:14.06 | PerfDave | JViz: Usually you can do vhosts with a database, there are administrative frontends for databases :) |
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| 23:14.11 | mischko | PerfDave, I just checked my install locations for self-compiled stuff. Looks like I'm ok. |
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| 23:14.25 | JViz | PerfDave: so now my clients need to know SQL? |
| 23:14.26 | PerfDave | mischko: Sweet. |
| 23:14.28 | PerfDave | JViz: No |
| 23:15.03 | paster | "mischko" at 71.111.118.246 pasted "apt-get install postfix-tls output" (9 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/516 |
| 23:15.10 | mischko | PerfDave, please see this output |
| 23:15.15 | mischko | in paster |
| 23:15.43 | PerfDave | mischko: OK, what does your sources.list say now, and have you done "apt-get update" recently? |
| 23:16.03 | ecobit | i have a question: i modified a maintainer's patch in a .deb source. basically my patch looks identical to his but a few + and - lines are different. but when i run dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot it gets to that patch and says it doesn't know what file to apply it to. in the patch itself the maintainer uses pathnames relative to some directories on his build machine, which don't exist in the source. i didn't change this |
| 23:16.11 | mischko | deb ftp://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ stable main |
| 23:16.11 | mischko | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 23:16.28 | JViz | PerfDave: I'm not trying to be difficult, but I don't understand the solution. |
| 23:16.34 | mischko | PerfDave, Just did apt-get update again. |
| 23:16.40 | mischko | PerfDave, same error. |
| 23:16.46 | PerfDave | mischko: OK, try re-running my scripy. |
| 23:16.48 | curby | does anyone have much experience with ntpd? I'm trying to correlate what I heard about the "few milliseconds accuracy" thing and the reality I'm seeing, which is about a dozen seconds lost every hour |
| 23:17.10 | PerfDave | JViz: It's simple. Write nice scripts yourself for the interface to the SQL database, or see if someone's already made one for you. |
| 23:17.12 | curby | closest thing I've found online about drifting ntpd-controlled clocks is http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2004-July/thread.html#15536 |
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| 23:17.30 | JViz | PerfDave: isn't that what webmin is? |
| 23:17.46 | PerfDave | JViz: No, webmin is a piece of shit that fucks your system :) |
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| 23:17.59 | curby | but i keep getting lines like "19 Aug 17:16:50 ntpd[3480]: time reset +3.087702 s" which shows that my clock is losing seconds every hour |
| 23:18.11 | nono31 | There is a way to "flag" a directory to make sure that the subdirectories and files that will be created in it will be of the same permission/user/group ? |
| 23:18.12 | mischko | PerfDave, your script gave the same output as before. |
| 23:18.21 | mirak | is there a way to not use encryption with ssh ? |
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| 23:18.29 | JViz | PerfDave: webmin is a poor solution for just about anything it is intended? what do you use? |
| 23:18.31 | mischko | What's the apt-get install postfix-tls output mean? |
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| 23:18.47 | nkuttler | mirak: why would you want to do that? |
| 23:18.50 | mirak | I mean ssh is a nice programm, probably the best, but encryption on a LAN is just a waste of bandwith and ressource |
| 23:18.52 | PerfDave | JViz: I don't use webmin :) |
| 23:18.57 | harrydg | how do i know what the argument was of the scsi_device_dev_release functioncall here: http://harry.ulyssis.org/panic.vmware |
| 23:19.02 | harrydg | which dev? |
| 23:19.05 | curby | JViz: i personally hate webmin... you might try looking at things like phpmyadmin, but there might be things you can't do with it |
| 23:19.12 | mirak | nkuttler: do you need encryption to ssh on the box that is at one metter from you ? |
| 23:19.15 | PerfDave | mirak: I disagree with you :) |
| 23:19.19 | ecobit | bbl |
| 23:19.20 | mirak | on a LAN behind a firewall |
| 23:19.26 | mirak | in your bedroom |
| 23:19.29 | nkuttler | mirak: yes... but use telnet |
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| 23:19.39 | mirak | nkuttler: you can't scp with telnet |
| 23:19.40 | JViz | curby: I can't have clients using phpmyadmin to configure email. |
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| 23:19.49 | JViz | PerfDave: Thank you. |
| 23:19.56 | PerfDave | JViz: But you can have clients using webmin to configure e-mail? |
| 23:19.57 | jetx | --get-selections rox |
| 23:19.57 | nkuttler | mirak: nfs |
| 23:19.58 | mirak | nkuttler: you can't do tunnels |
| 23:20.09 | mirak | nkuttler: mmm |
| 23:20.14 | PerfDave | mirak: I believe that you can configure ssh to support a "null" cypher, but it's not included by default because it's a bad idea. |
| 23:20.16 | JViz | PerfDave: yep, usermin and virtualmin modules. |
| 23:20.20 | mirak | nkuttler: no it's not secure enough |
| 23:20.24 | mirak | nkuttler: ;) |
| 23:20.41 | mischko | PerfDave, libc6 (= 2.3.5-4) but 2.3.2.ds1-22 is to be installed - Does that mean it wants to upgrade my libc6 but "knows better"? |
| 23:20.42 | nkuttler | mirak: /j #trolls :) |
| 23:20.42 | mirak | PerfDave: I would not use that on the web |
| 23:21.02 | PerfDave | JViz: You're insane. |
| 23:21.07 | JViz | PerfDave: you seem to be a very popular fellow... |
| 23:21.11 | jetx | mischko: looks like sid to me |
| 23:21.17 | jetx | !PerfDave++ |
| 23:21.18 | mirak | PerfDave: but on a lan 100mbits you only transfers at 2-3 mbytes, especially if the computer is slow |
| 23:21.24 | PerfDave | mirak: Hang on a second. |
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| 23:21.35 | harrydg | hmm... noone here into kernel debugging either? :( |
| 23:21.37 | jetx | mirak: should get up to 6 or so optimally |
| 23:21.41 | jetx | 4-6 |
| 23:21.52 | harrydg | 720+ linux people... noone kernel-related :( |
| 23:22.00 | PerfDave | mirak: My scps go a lot faster than that over my LAN. To be honest, you'd be hard pressed getting *much* more than that out of a network even with no encryption. |
| 23:22.11 | jetx | harrydg: #kernel , but be prepared to wait |
| 23:22.20 | jetx | see also #kernelnewbies or something |
| 23:22.20 | curby | JViz: have you tried giving phpmyadmin non-root privs? (I haven't.. just wondering) |
| 23:22.23 | PerfDave | mischko: What's the output of "apt-get install postfix"? |
| 23:22.28 | harrydg | lol... sorry ;) |
| 23:22.39 | harrydg | jetx: not that newbie ;) |
| 23:22.43 | harrydg | (nor expert btw) |
| 23:22.49 | paster | "mischko" at 71.111.118.246 pasted "apt-get install postfix output" (10 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/517 |
| 23:22.50 | jetx | it's just a channel |
| 23:23.03 | jetx | never been there but it's supposed to be not as dead |
| 23:23.06 | mischko | PerfDave, what's it mean? |
| 23:23.10 | green_earz | JViz: are you looking at setup a virtal host box for email ? with mysql |
| 23:23.20 | PerfDave | mischko: Have you tried running "apt-get -f install" with no packages listed? |
| 23:23.21 | mirak | jetx: yep 5 |
| 23:23.29 | mischko | PerfDave, no. What's that do? |
| 23:23.33 | mirak | with ftp you can go up to 8 |
| 23:23.50 | jetx | wtf does "could not connect passive socket" mean |
| 23:23.56 | mirak | PerfDave: compression is fine though |
| 23:23.58 | mirak | just a bit |
| 23:24.09 | jetx | apt-get update borkedness... socketbork i guess |
| 23:24.14 | PerfDave | mischko: It should try to solve any broken dependencies it has. Another, possibly more sensible, option is "dpkg --purge --pending" |
| 23:24.20 | JViz | green_earz: the data sink is besides the point, i need an easy way for users to configure their email with anything but qmail |
| 23:24.36 | foo | antgel: Still around? |
| 23:24.39 | jetx | heh very last package it choked |
| 23:24.41 | PerfDave | JViz: Have you looked for one? |
| 23:24.54 | jetx | apt-listbugs++ |
| 23:24.54 | JViz | green_earz: yes, with not much luck |
| 23:24.56 | JViz | as;lkfjawf |
| 23:25.04 | JViz | PerfDave: yes, with not much luck |
| 23:25.15 | JViz | PerfDave: i found webmin |
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| 23:25.32 | mischko | PerfDave, had to run apt-get -f install to fix it. dpkg didn't work. Now it's working. |
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| 23:25.51 | JViz | brb |
| 23:26.23 | netsurfer | the debian sarge mysql-4.1 package has non standard configuration file names and locations, is there an easy way to change it to standard locations and filenames? |
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| 23:26.38 | curby | no ntp guys around i guess? /me wonders if there's an ntp channel |
| 23:26.43 | green_earz | JViz: have a look at > http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and you can at webmin mysql to cofig the data base. add users and passwords |
| 23:26.45 | jetx | dselect is your god |
| 23:26.50 | jetx | !worship dselect |
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| 23:27.32 | Lestat^O^ | hi |
| 23:27.42 | mfrisch | ok is there "standard" ports for streaming media? |
| 23:27.45 | jetx | whar |
| 23:27.50 | curby | jetx: really? i've just been using apt-* and dpkg. why do you like it? |
| 23:28.04 | mfrisch | curby dselect rules |
| 23:28.08 | Lestat^O^ | how to get the x line from a text file where x is the number of the line? |
| 23:28.22 | x64 | Whats the command for copying a directory? .. cp -? |
| 23:28.24 | curby | tell me why, not what =) |
| 23:28.28 | jetx | curby: usually you won't have any problems, but the internals of dselect fulfill convoluted dependencies better. |
| 23:28.32 | curby | x64: cp -r |
| 23:28.33 | netsurfer | x64 - r |
| 23:28.34 | x64 | thanks |
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| 23:28.49 | jetx | so aka, really huge packages |
| 23:28.49 | curby | ah.. |
| 23:29.06 | curby | wht about aptitude? |
| 23:29.16 | jetx | it's great for fixing the broke ones |
| 23:29.20 | mfrisch | curby its everything in one, works, and after you learn how to use it, its easier to install. |
| 23:29.34 | jetx | i hate it, but i had a bad experience with it when it first came out.. ppl love aptitude though |
| 23:29.42 | curby | i was just thrown recently cause apparently dselect has a different idea of what packages are available |
| 23:29.57 | curby | different than the apt tools i mean |
| 23:30.24 | jetx | aptitude does things differently is what i hear |
| 23:30.27 | mischko | PerfDave, thanks for all the help. I think I'm on the home stretch now. |
| 23:30.34 | mfrisch | curby whats wrong with ntp? |
| 23:30.45 | PerfDave | mischko: Fantastic :) I'm glad you encouraged me to write that script, I'll keep it aside for future reference. |
| 23:30.54 | mischko | good script. |
| 23:31.11 | mischko | Now I have to uninstall my compiled version of Postfix and go after the one from Debian. |
| 23:31.25 | netsurfer | iv got a prob installing DBD::mysql perl module, I think its because of the non standard mysql config locations in sarge, http://pastebin.ca/20494 |
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| 23:31.51 | jetx | apt-file doesn't depend on curl in testing, but it needs curl |
| 23:32.16 | PerfDave | netsurfer: Why aren't you using the Debian package for DBD::mysql? |
| 23:32.23 | curby | mfrisch: i keep getting log messages like ... doh he left |
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| 23:32.51 | netsurfer | PerfDave - I didnt know there was one :o\ - /me goes to packages.debian.org |
| 23:32.56 | PerfDave | netsurfer: In general, you shouldn't ever use CPAN.pm manually on a Debian system. Many many many Perl modules are prepackaged for Debian (as "libpackage-perl") and others should be generated with dh-make-perl |
| 23:33.09 | PerfDave | !info libdbd-mysql-perl sarge |
| 23:33.13 | dpkg | libdbd-mysql-perl: (A Perl5 database interface to the MySQL database), section perl, is optional. Version: 2.9006-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 129 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
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| 23:33.32 | netsurfer | okay... thanks PerfDave i'll go look |
| 23:34.01 | jetx | i guess dpkg --get-selections doesn't work so hot sid -> etch |
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| 23:34.12 | jetx | it's pretty good though |
| 23:34.20 | brlancer | I just set up xfs and xfstt, everything was working fine; I rebooted and xfontsel won't run: |
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| 23:34.24 | curby | and now for something completely different... anyone here experiment with cosign or pubcookie on a debian system? |
| 23:34.34 | brlancer | "Error: Widget field13 has zero width and/or height" |
| 23:34.45 | jetx | how do i get irssi to redraw the entire screen |
| 23:35.03 | curby | jetx: ctrl-l seems to work her |
| 23:35.09 | curby | here* |
| 23:35.22 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:35.43 | jetx | ctrl+l is the dselect command also.. cool, easy to remember |
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| 23:36.04 | curby | ctrl-l also redraws vi and pico/nano iirc |
| 23:36.27 | rob_lt | and in bash |
| 23:36.29 | jetx | cool, i use nano sometimes |
| 23:36.35 | jetx | i use bash too :) |
| 23:36.44 | rob_lt | to clear the screen ;) |
| 23:36.49 | curby | hehe i used to only use pico/nano... then i got sick of having no features and begrudgingly learned vi |
| 23:37.06 | curby | i might have done emacs but the servers at work only have vi installed |
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| 23:37.37 | mischko | where do I find docs on equivs? |
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| 23:37.52 | jetx | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.13 | curby | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.13 | mischko | jetx, thanks! |
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| 23:38.47 | trent | Does anyone know how to stream to a shoutcast server in linux? |
| 23:39.03 | jetx | icecast? (no idea i know nothing) |
| 23:39.20 | postel | xmms + plugin |
| 23:39.23 | trent | :o |
| 23:39.25 | trent | postel |
| 23:39.25 | jetx | apt-cache search shoutcast maybe |
| 23:39.27 | trent | What plugin? |
| 23:39.28 | curby | trent: stream as a server, or stream from a server? |
| 23:39.37 | trent | Stream to a server. |
| 23:39.45 | curby | erm.. |
| 23:39.45 | postel | trent: It should be a google search away |
| 23:40.00 | trent | postel, Well it isn't >.< |
| 23:40.10 | curby | i didn't know you could send a stream to a shoutcast server. kind aneat though =) |
| 23:40.15 | trent | Err |
| 23:40.16 | trent | I meant |
| 23:40.18 | Rubin | wow, i have just discoverd the best kept secret in linux. fuse-sshfs. you can mount any site you can scp/sftp to as a dir on your box. it caches so its fast.. |
| 23:40.18 | trent | just be a dj |
| 23:40.31 | Rubin | its like what windows shares were in windows world only secure |
| 23:40.33 | trent | How to DJ a shoutcast server. |
| 23:40.44 | Rubin | http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html |
| 23:41.01 | postel | trent: xmms-liveice - XMMS plugin that sends your audio to a shoutcast server |
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| 23:41.09 | trent | I tried that :S |
| 23:41.15 | postel | and? |
| 23:41.21 | trent | I couldn't get it to work |
| 23:41.27 | jetx | !didn't work |
| 23:41.27 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 23:41.38 | trent | idk I probably wasdoing it wrong |
| 23:41.38 | jetx | bah |
| 23:42.01 | jetx | 'didn't work'(TM) was the hoped for reply |
| 23:42.21 | postel | trent: well, keep giving us less and less information |
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| 23:42.33 | jetx | yes... plz do. |
| 23:42.37 | jetx | :o |
| 23:42.39 | trent | I'm gonna retry xmms |
| 23:42.40 | trent | lol |
| 23:42.42 | trent | the plugin |
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| 23:45.32 | postel | curby: you didnt know you could send a stream TO a shoutcast server? What did you usually send it? Flowers? |
| 23:45.36 | curby | time ofr a terrible analogy, for your pleasure: #ntp is as dead as at least one of an infinite series of Schroedinger's cats |
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| 23:46.15 | curby | postel: I thought that shoutcast would generate a stream and serve it to the world. i didn't know it took a stream. fundamental misunderstanding of how it works i guess |
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| 23:46.37 | postel | generate? on its own? does it like classic or trip-hop? |
| 23:46.54 | curby | i s'pose you'd tell it via the configuration files =) |
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| 23:47.37 | Mansor | hi everybody |
| 23:47.40 | postel | curby: you feed a stream to it, it passes it over a loss encoder, strips it down, packets it nice and sends it to the wire |
| 23:47.52 | curby | postel: ah ok =) |
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| 23:48.56 | halibut | anyone having trouble installing jackd from repos? |
| 23:48.56 | postel | curby: you can stream your audio cds over, but you need a pretty fat pipe for some listeners on audio-cd quality, that's why you need the loss reencoding |
| 23:49.04 | postel | samling down == less bw |
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| 23:49.21 | curby | right |
| 23:49.40 | postel | there's a "p" missing somewhere there |
| 23:50.05 | codecaine | what's best way to determine what user a program is attempting to use to access files/dirs? |
| 23:50.56 | mirak | why isn't there an authentication prompt when you don't have the right to something from console ? |
| 23:50.56 | Thanatermesis | any debian mentor please ? |
| 23:51.00 | curby | codecaine: depends on the program. usually either a username, root, or the name of the app itself |
| 23:51.14 | mirak | for exemple you rm something owned by root and it asks root password to do it |
| 23:51.23 | mirak | ? |
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| 23:51.46 | codecaine | ofcourse its some username i just want to know how to figure that out, does it report in logs like user <username> denied to file blah blah |
| 23:51.48 | Gixbit | Guess what? |
| 23:52.06 | Gixbit | I downloaded all 14 of those Iso's for debian |
| 23:52.16 | Gixbit | and now i'am gonna burn all 14 |
| 23:52.17 | codecaine | dang |
| 23:52.24 | jetx | Gixbit: dum |
| 23:52.28 | Gixbit | lol |
| 23:52.39 | curby | Gixbit: i'd just do a delete/rm, butthat's just me P |
| 23:52.40 | Gixbit | figured i'd get those reactions |
| 23:52.51 | jetx | Gixbit: there are dvd's, but you only need one or so cd's |
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| 23:53.06 | Gixbit | yea |
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| 23:53.09 | Gixbit | no dvd burner |
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| 23:53.13 | curby | codecaine: you're kinda leaving off some information. why do you care? auditing? malicious activity? user complaining something isn't working? |
| 23:53.14 | Gixbit | i have limited options |
| 23:53.15 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: You're being sponsored as a Debian Developer? |
| 23:53.38 | curby | Gixbit: I've been advised to just use the netinstaller. it's worked perfectly for me thusfar |
| 23:53.42 | peterS | <abrotman> !tell peters4 about knoppix |
| 23:53.43 | notdan | Is there a program that works on a proxy to change html as it passes through? Such as changing "foobar" to "*****" or adding/removing content instead of just blocking the page? |
| 23:53.44 | jetx | you only need like the first 2 or 3 cds for a big selection... you only 'need' the first one though... or just a netinst even |
| 23:53.44 | Gixbit | lol |
| 23:53.44 | Thanatermesis | PerfDave, I have a little question for the maintain of a repository |
| 23:53.46 | peterS | hmmm, someone's impersonating me |
| 23:53.47 | Gixbit | wireless card |
| 23:53.48 | Gixbit | problems |
| 23:53.49 | codecaine | curby, sorry, i'm trying to debug what user cacti rrdtool is using to view/delete logs |
| 23:54.03 | PerfDave | Thanatermesis: Which repository? |
| 23:54.15 | avrfreak | how i can install tha xfce |
| 23:54.16 | codecaine | curby, because whatever user it's using don't have rights and i set the dirs to be owned by cactiuser |
| 23:54.22 | Thanatermesis | PerfDave, my repository, I have changed this to a "standard debian mode" |
| 23:54.30 | jetx | apt-cache search xfce avrfreak |
| 23:54.33 | Thanatermesis | PerfDave, |
| 23:54.35 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> I have modified my repository for use in "standard debian mode", I have pool dist etc.. dirs, the original repository are my machine, but not are the oficial server, how to maintain "sincronized" my repo in the big server ? |
| 23:54.35 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> for example, If Im modify a package, only upload this package, if Im delete a package, delete the same package and modify the Packages.gz ... |
| 23:54.37 | avrfreak | tha apt-get install xfce dosnt do anything |
| 23:54.41 | jetx | then apt-get install xfce4 iirc |
| 23:54.56 | jetx | and note the 'search' first |
| 23:55.03 | postel | Gixbit: if you have a fat enough pipe to get all 14 cds why on earth you didnt get just one and apt-get the rest? |
| 23:55.03 | jetx | to get the correct name |
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| 23:55.24 | black13 | what is the "proper" way to build the kernel in debian? |
| 23:55.26 | avrfreak | apt-get install xfce4 iirc |
| 23:55.32 | jetx | !kernel-package |
| 23:55.32 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (use zless or lynx), or http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 23:55.35 | avrfreak | E: Couldn't find package xfce4 |
| 23:55.46 | jetx | apt-cache search xfce avrfreak |
| 23:56.07 | jetx | it might be named xfce-4 for all i know |
| 23:56.09 | PerfDave | mischko: Hmm, there's a bug in my script. |
| 23:56.14 | curby | codecaine: kinda out of my league as i haven't used that program. if this is something automated then it will probably run as root. if it's in cron.d it will have a username associated with the cron action. it might define its own user in its configuration files. you might also try doing ps/top while it runs |
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| 23:56.23 | mischko | PerfDave, what? |
| 23:56.29 | black13 | can i build 2.6 kernel |
| 23:56.32 | jetx | sure |
| 23:56.33 | PerfDave | mischko: It won't tell you when you've got (say) a version from unstable installed. |
| 23:56.44 | PerfDave | black13: Yes, but there's rarely any point. Just install a Debian kernel-image package. |
| 23:56.51 | codecaine | curby, cacti is a php server side app |
| 23:56.57 | mischko | PerfDave, why not? The version numbers would differ wouldn't they? |
| 23:56.58 | jetx | black13: initrd is the biggest stumbling block for first time kernel compilers |
| 23:56.59 | avrfreak | jetx nothing hapenz |
| 23:57.04 | jetx | avrfreak: as root |
| 23:57.08 | PerfDave | mischko: Yes, but not the version numbers I'm checking. |
| 23:57.09 | codecaine | curby, how would i tell for something like that, looking around in the configs eh? |
| 23:57.13 | curby | codecaine: php stuff usually runs as whatever apache runs as. in my debian server that user is www-data |
| 23:57.13 | avrfreak | im root |
| 23:57.13 | jetx | avrfreak: for the install |
| 23:57.18 | avrfreak | im root |
| 23:57.19 | black13 | jetx what if i use my own initial ramd disk? |
| 23:57.25 | jetx | avrfreak: well try apt-get update |
| 23:57.25 | avrfreak | synaptic? |
| 23:57.29 | mischko | PerfDave, How do you get it to do it right? |
| 23:57.34 | PerfDave | mischko: I'm working on that now. |
| 23:57.36 | curby | codecaine: yeah it's defined (in my distro of debian) in /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 23:57.40 | codecaine | curby, agh ok thanks you helped me right there :) my files have group www-data but not enough rights for that group :) |
| 23:57.45 | black13 | PerfDave i want to have squashfs eventually |
| 23:57.49 | curby | codecaine: sweeet =) |
| 23:57.53 | codecaine | curby, same for me :) thanks bud |
| 23:57.54 | mischko | PerfDave, K. Lemme know when you get it dialed. I'm trying to figure out equivs now. |
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| 23:58.08 | jetx | black13: that is initrd... you can't use an old one, but you need to either pass --initrd to make-kpkg, or you need to tell the bootloader not to use initrd |
| 23:58.23 | Gixbit | postel: OK so you asking me to go get 1 disk and then i cant get online because i need ndiswrapper to it then i have to download like 8 gigs of shit that i don't wanna have to download so to save the trouble of downloading for 2 days iam burning off every single disk and then it's done with downloading stuff. |
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| 23:58.25 | curby | codecaine: i'm just amazed that i was able to help =) |
| 23:58.46 | jetx | installing from cd is so fast and smooth though |
| 23:58.48 | codecaine | just need a lil input sometimes to figure things out :) |
| 23:58.51 | black13 | jetx i am toying around (jumping out into the void) |
| 23:58.52 | jetx | much nicer than net |
| 23:59.12 | jetx | black13: it's easy, just seems scary at first, sorta |
| 23:59.23 | jetx | but it's no big deal |
| 23:59.23 | Gixbit | Postel: I wish everything went as smoothly for me as it does for you huh. |
| 23:59.24 | black13 | jetx i have build loads of 2.4 kernels |
| 23:59.28 | jetx | ah |
| 23:59.32 | PerfDave | Gixbit: You know, if you need non-Free software to install, it won't be on the Debian CDs. |
| 23:59.38 | jetx | make sure you get module-init-tools |
| 23:59.40 | black13 | jetx and build a small debian based boot cd |
| 23:59.44 | jetx | cool |
| 23:59.52 | Gixbit | excuse me? |
| 23:59.54 | jetx | you shouldn't have any probs you can't fix then |
