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| 00:00.16 | ethics | cafuego: hehehe you love release days dont you.....makes youm micheivious hehe |
| 00:00.18 | mdh | cafuego: is Guerin sending you email again? |
| 00:00.27 | theorbtwo | cafuego: I'm not sure which is stranger, the art class, or band... |
| 00:00.28 | abrotman | cafuego: you get that from your mom too ? |
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| 00:00.32 | magyar | can someone tell me which modules file does sarge kernel 2.6 is using. Is it a> /etc/modules.conf b> /etc/modprobe.d/* ? |
| 00:00.35 | Solet-deb | mdh: rofl |
| 00:00.39 | Guerin | abrotman: no, he got it from YOUR mom |
| 00:00.40 | cafuego | abrotman: FOR my mom, not FROM my mom. |
| 00:00.43 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:00.51 | Guerin | away |
| 00:00.55 | Guerin | bah |
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| 00:01.01 | ethics | magyar /etc/modules |
| 00:01.08 | MobyTurbo | fscking dial-up |
| 00:01.09 | \Igor\ | magyar: /etc/modules as usual |
| 00:01.20 | cafuego | Oh look, my IP address has changed. |
| 00:01.23 | dob1 | for the upgrade i have to remove the lines with non-US ? |
| 00:01.40 | theorbtwo | dob1: No, but you may get warnings if you don't. |
| 00:01.41 | cafuego | dob1: You may as well. |
| 00:01.41 | Rickdangerous | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:01.41 | dpkg | rtfrn is, like, Read the Finest Release Notes |
| 00:01.53 | user_ruser | can someone help me get direct rendering to work in x 4.3.0.1? on ATI Technologies Inc Rage 128 PF/PRO AGP 4x TMDS video card? |
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| 00:02.16 | Solet-deb | Rickdangerous: i dont think anyone cares any more.... atleast give it some dignity and change it back to fucking... |
| 00:02.20 | K_Dallas | i was reading the wiki faq and interesting enough i came across this line: Testing currently has codename sarge and is scheduled to be released in September 2004 if all goes well. |
| 00:02.32 | shingouz | Solet-deb: hehe |
| 00:02.33 | Rickdangerous | Solet-deb, you are right |
| 00:02.46 | shingouz | K_Dallas: maybe you need to edit it then |
| 00:02.53 | sdb__ | K_Dallas: so fix it? :) |
| 00:02.59 | Rickdangerous | Solet-deb, is read the f rn or die ok? |
| 00:03.03 | Guerin | !rtfrn =~ s#Notes#Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes# |
| 00:03.03 | dpkg | Guerin: OK |
| 00:03.04 | K_Dallas | :) only if i were familiar with toy story :) |
| 00:03.15 | jlj_ | is debian-non-us packages only for stable or are there any for testing as well? |
| 00:03.15 | FieldySnuts | GangBanga4Money I said not to msg me again, so you're ignored. dickweed. |
| 00:03.16 | mtgh | If I am running what was yesterday known as debian-testing (sarge) and all my apt sources point to testing as the tree. How do I upgrade to debian stable. Do I need to change the apt.sources list or is there a command that does this for me |
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| 00:03.25 | magyar | ethics: Igor: okay, after the recent kernel upgrade from debian my sk98lin module for the network is gone to shits. I rebuilt it and it loads but no network connection. HELP |
| 00:03.27 | Solet-deb | Rickdangerous: i usually am.... unless we are talking about trouble shooting linux.... |
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| 00:03.50 | Guerin | !sarge upgrade path |
| 00:03.51 | dpkg | Ok, here's how stable/testing debian upgrades work now that sarge has stabilised: If your sources.list says "woody", you'll stay with woody. If it says "sarge", you'll upgrade to sarge. If it says "stable", it'll upgrade to sarge, the new stable. If it says "testing", your sarge box will upgrade to etch, the new testing. Any questions? |
| 00:03.52 | poonj | hey guys...it is possible to have the volume control for XMMS separate from the system volume? |
| 00:04.02 | astronut | uhmm |
| 00:04.05 | astronut | is non-us gone? |
| 00:04.06 | bucky | K_Dallas, we've been trying to ease people into this upgrade for three years |
| 00:04.07 | astronut | oh, dugh |
| 00:04.08 | astronut | duh* |
| 00:04.14 | jla | K_Dallas try wiki.debian.net (it's not all immutable...) |
| 00:04.14 | theorbtwo | dpkg: Couldn't have said it better myself. |
| 00:04.18 | magyar | is there a module detect tool? |
| 00:04.20 | dob1 | so in source.list i will have only 2 deb lines, one "deb http://ftp.fi.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free" and the other one for security , right? plus the deb-src line |
| 00:04.33 | Guerin | dpkg: that'll work |
| 00:04.34 | \Igor\ | magyar: if it loads, and the driver is functional, all should be fine, otherwise it's a separate problem |
| 00:04.37 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:04.41 | dob1 | if i remove the non-use line |
| 00:04.41 | Guerin | dob1: ^^ |
| 00:04.46 | shingouz | dob1: yes if you really want ot keep it simple |
| 00:04.53 | ethics | magyar: whats the actuall card? |
| 00:04.55 | K_Dallas | ok, i am pretty glad that i opted for debian, contrary to what i imagined at first, it is one if not the most active distros around |
| 00:05.03 | ethics | magyar:lspci |
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| 00:05.05 | mdh | hmmm... I removed non-US and I'm down 10 packages. hope they're not installed ;) |
| 00:05.09 | MobyTurbo | @$%$T%^% |
| 00:05.22 | shingouz | K_Dallas: and has the friendliest support too as you have noticed |
| 00:05.22 | astronut | mdh: i think they got moved into main w/ diff names |
| 00:05.23 | magyar | ethics: Marvell Sysconnect GIG ether |
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| 00:05.37 | Rickdangerous | mdh, those packages suck anyway. do you ue pavuk? |
| 00:05.43 | Rickdangerous | use* |
| 00:05.49 | mdh | Rickdangerous: no |
| 00:05.52 | ethics | !marvell |
| 00:05.54 | dob1 | shingouz: what do you mean? there are ore line to add ? |
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| 00:06.00 | Rickdangerous | mdh, you are fine then |
| 00:06.05 | ethics | !marvell-gigabit |
| 00:06.06 | dpkg | i heard marvell-gigabit is http://www.marvell.com/drivers/driverDisplay.do?dId=107&pId=10 it has a manufacturer driver....goodluck.....sk98lin may work on some and is on sarge.......or theres an experimenta SysKonect driver... again good look |
| 00:06.21 | K_Dallas | shingouz, friendliest? i would say great support but friendiest is a bit over rated ;) no offense though |
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| 00:06.26 | ethics | bah gotta fix spellings etc |
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| 00:06.35 | shingouz | dob1: no, i mean that you have a very simple sources.list. just remove the non-free from it and you are set |
| 00:06.39 | mdh | Rickdangerous: pavuk is in main now anyway, by the looks of things |
| 00:06.44 | Solet-deb | K_Dallas: rofl |
| 00:06.54 | bucky | shingouz, don't confuse us with the facts |
| 00:07.00 | shingouz | K_Dallas: hey, i heard we actually got some award too ;) |
| 00:07.03 | dob1 | shingouz: non-free now ? not non-us ? |
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| 00:07.05 | \Igor\ | btw, I tried installing sarge on a friend's box but he only has one SATA hard drive, what's the magic trick to get the kernel to recoginze the drive? |
| 00:07.06 | shingouz | !confuse bucky |
| 00:07.07 | dpkg | No, those are your gouda tomorrow, bucky? pants of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 00:07.14 | magyar | ethics: lspci: 0000:02:00.0 Ethernet Controller: Marvell Technology Group LTD.: Unknown device 4326 (rev 15) |
| 00:07.17 | shingouz | dob1: sorry, non-us |
| 00:07.20 | Rickdangerous | mdh so they are right. things are move to main. thos emissing ones are removed from archive |
| 00:07.24 | dob1 | shingouz: ok |
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| 00:07.30 | shingouz | nice catch, man |
| 00:07.34 | K_Dallas | shingouz, the chan deserves an award, i agree %100 |
| 00:07.47 | ethics | !tell magyar about marvell-gigabit |
| 00:07.52 | FieldySnuts | ~fuck arstechnica |
| 00:07.59 | FieldySnuts | apt_: hi |
| 00:08.00 | bucky | dob1, what ever you do.. don't make a back up copy of sources.list in case you mess it up |
| 00:08.03 | shingouz | K_Dallas: we always try to be nice towards n00bs ;) |
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| 00:08.05 | davem | Igor: Did you try a 2.6 kernel? |
| 00:08.08 | zOap | abrotman, you still here? |
| 00:08.09 | ethics | magyar: thats about the best help i can give atm with those cards.... |
| 00:08.15 | abrotman | zOap: getting ready to eat .. why ? |
| 00:08.23 | magyar | "ROOOOOOOT has landed!" what is this mean? |
| 00:08.26 | Solet-deb | K_Dallas: yeah... all the helpers here need "I servived permasunday 2005 in #debian" t-shirts |
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| 00:08.30 | \Igor\ | davem: thing is, his CPU is AMD64, so it only works with a 2.6 kernel anyway |
| 00:08.31 | K_Dallas | i, personally was not much harrased here ;) |
| 00:08.34 | abrotman | magyar: /whois bopp |
| 00:08.38 | Solet-deb | Rickdangerous: i fixed your fucking factoid |
| 00:08.39 | FieldySnuts | that some dummy joined the channel, ircing as root (bad idea) |
| 00:08.44 | shingouz | magyar: that the person is on +q and he gets a message saying that irc as root is bad |
| 00:08.45 | MobyTurbo | magyar: someone was dumb enough to IRC as root |
| 00:08.49 | FieldySnuts | @troll Solet-deb |
| 00:08.51 | zl2tod | whatever hasppened to Sid ? |
| 00:08.51 | abrotman | !irc as root |
| 00:08.51 | dpkg | (from Net::IRC comments) <crab> to irc as root demonstrates about the same brains as a man in a thunderstorm waving a lightning rod and standing in a copper tub of salt water yelling "ALL GODS ARE BASTARDS!" |
| 00:08.56 | Rickdangerous | Solet-deb, great |
| 00:09.05 | FieldySnuts | heh copper tub of salt |
| 00:09.09 | FieldySnuts | water |
| 00:09.09 | Solet-deb | FieldySnuts: wtf did i do? |
| 00:09.09 | davem | Igor: Does his chipset have drivers? My sata worked right away. |
| 00:09.12 | \Igor\ | davem: supposedly his SATA chipset is supported by the libata module, but loading it did absolutely nothing |
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| 00:09.13 | Solet-deb | i wasnt even trolling this time |
| 00:09.15 | shingouz | zl2tod: is stays sid |
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| 00:09.18 | zOap | abrotman, quick question. I'm trying to install shfs. and stands in linux-headers. "kpkg-make modules" gives: bash: kpkg command not found.. what am i doing wrong? |
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| 00:09.42 | Solet-deb | K_Dallas: sid was the boy next door that destroyed toys |
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| 00:09.56 | Rickdangerous | zOap it's make-kpk |
| 00:10.01 | jello | zOap: make-kpkg |
| 00:10.02 | Rickdangerous | make-kpkg* |
| 00:10.03 | shingouz | K_Dallas: that is why if you run sid you get to keep the pieces |
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| 00:10.04 | magyar | ethics: thank you. I guess i need the new driver. I got version 8.15 which is the only one on marvell website and was working sweet with previous kernel. :( |
| 00:10.10 | K_Dallas | that is what i found out :) i dont think that i would ever go near sid |
| 00:10.11 | zOap | Rickdangerous, you mean make-kpkg? |
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| 00:10.20 | Rickdangerous | yes |
| 00:10.22 | shingouz | K_Dallas: you will, you will... |
| 00:10.28 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 00:10.40 | zOap | Rickdangerous, thanx:) abrotman got the answer I wanted:) |
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| 00:10.50 | MobyTurbo | K_Dallas: sid has its moments of stability, but now, when a lot of experimental stuff held back due to Sarge enters, it's a bad time to run sid. |
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| 00:11.00 | K_Dallas | true |
| 00:11.10 | swim | for an athlon 64 that I want to run only 32bit debian, (making it basically an athlon xp) would I still want libc6 i686? (ill build my own kernel choosing athlonxp proccessor type) |
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| 00:11.19 | ethics | magyar: yeah some of the newer versions seem to be unsupported on the lin98 driver its a bit hit and miss atm from what others say...im broadcom gigabit so it heresay only |
| 00:11.24 | K_Dallas | even tohugh i have a few experimental packages on my system |
| 00:11.26 | abrotman | zOap: que ? |
| 00:11.29 | \Igor\ | swim: yes |
| 00:11.40 | swim | ok great thanks |
| 00:11.53 | Solet-deb | MobyTurbo: "it has its moments of stability" heh... and unlike windows xp, those moments accually occour while the machine is on :P |
| 00:12.00 | Rickdangerous | のホバークラフトは |
| 00:12.01 | zOap | abrotman, never mind, I got my answer... switched make-kpkg with kpkg-make:) |
| 00:12.05 | shingouz | Solet-deb: ouch :) |
| 00:12.12 | MoDaX | swim: yes. you want libc i686 for better performance |
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| 00:12.18 | swim | \Igor\, thats pretty much the only important optimized packages right? kernel/libc6 ? |
| 00:12.26 | abrotman | zOap: ok |
| 00:12.35 | zOap | thnx anyway_) |
| 00:12.45 | MobyTurbo | swim: mplayer has a 586 accelerated version in the marillat repo |
| 00:12.45 | bucky | swim, is there a reason you don't want debian-amd64 / |
| 00:12.50 | magyar | ethics: is it due to a large number of chips that are not fully covered by the kernel module, or some thing is no kosher with the build on the new kernel revision? |
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| 00:13.02 | \Igor\ | swim: there is a bunch of optimized packages, but they are either numerical in nature (lapack), kernels, or media (like mplayer, but it's not official) |
| 00:13.05 | FieldySnuts | debian-amd64 isn't exactly stable |
| 00:13.15 | MobyTurbo | swim: and ogle has an mmx accelerated version in Debian |
| 00:13.18 | FieldySnuts | consider it experimental |
| 00:13.19 | bucky | works fine on my amd64 box |
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| 00:13.25 | ethics | magyarL: yeah theya re also changing vendoris on the cards for no apparent reason which screws them up a bit too |
| 00:13.26 | FieldySnuts | !medal bucky |
| 00:13.31 | Solet-deb | hrm.... lag is sexy |
| 00:13.32 | MoDaX | FieldySnuts: it is stable |
| 00:13.37 | compubomb | got a question, does debian sarge have php5 and all the modules ?.. |
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| 00:13.48 | KoopaPoopa | now sarge is out, does that mean if i run apt-get upgrade i stay as sarge, or i stay as testing? |
| 00:13.53 | MoDaX | and amd64 sarge will be supported by amd64 team |
| 00:13.53 | compubomb | or is it still running php4 |
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| 00:13.57 | Rickdangerous | !sussudio, |
| 00:13.58 | swim | ok Im moving from archlinux which is i686 optimized all over... so I want to make sure I dont feel any difference when moving to debian |
| 00:14.00 | Rickdangerous | !sussudio |
| 00:14.00 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass, rickdangerous! |
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| 00:14.07 | Rickdangerous | bah |
| 00:14.09 | MobyTurbo | KoopaPoopa: that depends upon your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:14.28 | compubomb | ?... |
| 00:14.28 | sussudio | -!- Irssi: [rickdangerous!~semaphor@85.99.64.237]: dsl.dynamic859964237.ttnet.net.tr |
| 00:14.29 | bucky | debian-amd64 is better than gentoo-amd64 |
| 00:14.32 | sussudio | foad. |
| 00:14.38 | FieldySnuts | ew net.tr |
| 00:14.45 | swim | bucky, the only reason is that I feel that mixing 32/64 bit apps is kinda of messy, and prone to more problems |
| 00:14.47 | Rickdangerous | bhahaha |
| 00:14.48 | compubomb | bucky: do you have proof ? heh |
| 00:14.50 | shingouz | transsilvania? |
| 00:14.51 | KoopaPoopa | ah, says testing main at the end of each line... so i stay as testing? |
| 00:14.56 | \Igor\ | swim: why don't you try to switch cold first, and then see if you notice a difference |
| 00:15.01 | FieldySnuts | i thought that was globally banned on freenode, shrug |
| 00:15.04 | ethics | swim: whatever matters is optimized...most of the time were talking minimal increases unless its graphics stuff...SSEMMX etc |
| 00:15.05 | jla | KoopaPoopa http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 00:15.11 | bucky | pure 64 is the way to go... multi lib is a bad idea |
| 00:15.21 | KoopaPoopa | which is recommended? is testing now gonna get less stable because of the release? |
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| 00:15.32 | swim | ok thats good to know |
| 00:15.38 | Solet-deb | bucky: why not simply it further and just "*debian*>* |
| 00:15.40 | theorbtwo | magyar: Wht do you have to use MS for internet access? |
| 00:15.40 | shingouz | K_Dallas: watch out for daylight |
| 00:15.43 | \Igor\ | KoopaPoopa: yes, change to 'sarge' or 'stable' if you want to keep sarge |
| 00:15.46 | ethics | swim: it wont mater 64 bit running 32 is still faster than 32 on 32 |
| 00:15.49 | ryan` | FieldySnuts: why would *.net./tr be banned? |
| 00:15.50 | zl2tod | is that rave of dpkg's right about the release process ? I anticipated that sarge would become stable, sid would become testing, and the new etch would become unstable |
| 00:15.51 | theorbtwo | Worst case, get another NIC. |
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| 00:16.00 | KoopaPoopa | thanks a lot! |
| 00:16.03 | swim | bucky, but then the problem is there are some packages not available in pure 64 |
| 00:16.07 | FieldySnuts | geez enough ry* nicks |
| 00:16.09 | theorbtwo | No, zl2tod, dpkg is right. |
| 00:16.12 | ryan` | zl2tod, sid is always unstable |
| 00:16.13 | FieldySnuts | ryan`: because of a lot of abuse from there |
| 00:16.14 | magyar | theorbtwo: get drivers |
| 00:16.22 | swim | ethics, right :) |
| 00:16.24 | ethics | swim : all 64 is definately quicker than 63 on 32 |
| 00:16.25 | \Igor\ | zl2tod: sid stays forever unstable |
| 00:16.31 | zl2tod | cursed bot ... too clever by half |
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| 00:16.40 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, you can't ban a whole country |
| 00:16.41 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite zl2tod |
| 00:16.42 | ravenbird | zl2tod: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 00:16.43 | swim | really? hmmm |
| 00:16.47 | bucky | swim, like flash and wmv ? there are ways around it... |
| 00:16.48 | Guerin | only as clever as his teachers |
| 00:16.51 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, even it's north korea |
| 00:16.52 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: wanna bet? it's been done many times, and will again |
| 00:16.53 | shingouz | zl2tod: by half? try at least three quarters |
| 00:16.56 | LordWolF | onething |
| 00:17.01 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, really? |
| 00:17.03 | LordWolF | is there a netsend for debian? |
| 00:17.04 | MoDaX | swim: read https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 00:17.06 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, ISP have banned |
| 00:17.07 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: i'm talking only freenode, nowhere else |
| 00:17.09 | swim | bucky, is that it ? I thought there were more |
| 00:17.09 | poonj | hey guys...it is possible to have the volume control for XMMS separate from the system volume? |
| 00:17.11 | zOap | Rickdangerous, you have experience with building shfs? |
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| 00:17.14 | poonj | how would I be able to do it? |
| 00:17.20 | Rickdangerous | zOap no sory |
| 00:17.24 | MoDaX | swim: and decide yourself if yu want to switch |
| 00:17.27 | zOap | Rickdangerous, ok:) |
| 00:17.32 | Guerin | LordWolF: write |
| 00:17.33 | swim | thx MoDaX |
| 00:17.34 | theorbtwo | poonj: Use the equalizer. |
| 00:17.36 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, well seems it didin't last long |
| 00:17.38 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: but as far as the entire internet, yes, entire countries have been null routed, effectively cutting them off. .kr was for a while |
| 00:17.40 | LordWolF | thanks |
| 00:17.41 | shingouz | zl2tod: you swear like one ;) |
| 00:17.47 | bucky | swim, got to run OOo in the chroot.. big deal |
| 00:17.52 | ryan` | People from some contries are much more prone to making asses of themselves then others. |
| 00:17.54 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: but that's a very extreme reaction which is rare |
| 00:17.56 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, for a while. tempoarily |
| 00:17.59 | MegaHambone | Hey guys, how would I view access logs on my box. Someone compromised my system, changed my root password and just caused a general mess. Is there a general access log? |
| 00:18.04 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, yes too exterme |
| 00:18.11 | swim | i pretty much just use abiword these days |
| 00:18.11 | Rickdangerous | extreme* |
| 00:18.19 | Guerin | MegaHambone: bash history |
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| 00:18.33 | silverton | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 00:18.34 | silverton | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.35 | MegaHambone | is that in var/log ? |
| 00:18.36 | \Igor\ | MegaHambone: /var/log/* |
| 00:18.37 | FieldySnuts | no, when you have dozens of thousands of systems coming from one country attacking networks around the world, and the admins of the isps won't block it, after about 20 warnings, that's what you do. the rest of the global network must be protected |
| 00:18.37 | silverton | ohnoes! |
| 00:18.38 | Guerin | MegaHambone: but if you were rooted, you can't trust anything ... not even log |
| 00:18.41 | Guerin | s |
| 00:18.42 | FieldySnuts | which is what happened |
| 00:18.56 | swim | bucky, are pure64 packages basically sid ? |
| 00:18.59 | Guerin | !security |
| 00:18.59 | dpkg | from memory, security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Unstable is usually kept up-to-date without having a separate place to download from. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". for non-us security add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" to your ... |
| 00:19.06 | FieldySnuts | they cleaned up their act, and the null routes got removed |
| 00:19.06 | ethics | MegaHambone, /var/log/ probably has something like what you asking |
| 00:19.09 | resiak | We can't ban .kr ... Guerin would be lost and that would suck. :-) |
| 00:19.13 | MegaHambone | You think someone would have time to mess with logs in less then an hour? |
| 00:19.14 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, you can do this way. But seems like most people don't |
| 00:19.16 | bucky | swim, there's sarge and sid |
| 00:19.17 | shingouz | MegaHambone: check the histories and logs, then nuke the box |
| 00:19.19 | MobyTurbo | MegaHambone: a good root kit can bypass log files. Wipe everything out, start all over, and this time keep security updates and use good passwords |
| 00:19.21 | mdh | "Red Hat gives Fedora wings" ... yeah, and the wicked witch gave monkeys wings. Fly my pretties, fly! |
| 00:19.21 | nuge | hi guys, if i've been running testing and now want to _stay_ with sarge (stable) can i just change all the occurrences of 'testing' with 'stable' and apt-get update? |
| 00:19.36 | swim | oh ok, great, its not official yet though is it |
| 00:19.37 | Guerin | nuge: yes. |
| 00:19.37 | Rickdangerous | !rtfrn |
| 00:19.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rtfrn is Read the Fucking Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 00:19.44 | swim | or officially part of debian |
| 00:19.44 | ethics | MegaHambone, but having said that /var/log may not be whats meant to be there if you got hacked .. |
| 00:19.47 | nuge | guerin, thanks. |
| 00:19.48 | Rickdangerous | Solet-deb, that's fine |
| 00:19.48 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: doesn't matter what most people do, when the global network is getting the crap kicked out of it and the source won't stop it, they get dropped. |
| 00:19.53 | shingouz | MegaHambone: the box has been compromised, nuke it after you find out what happened to it. pull it off the network *now* |
| 00:19.53 | Guerin | resiak: bah, like a puny null route would stop ME! |
| 00:19.57 | thoron | silverton, better just use recent stable. |
| 00:19.57 | MobyTurbo | MegaHambone: of course they had enough time, today's crackers use root kits that work in less than a minute. |
| 00:19.58 | swim | alright Ill give pure64 a shot then |
| 00:20.00 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: upshot is, they learned their lesson |
| 00:20.07 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, are you FBI? ypu are making a to big poblem of this |
| 00:20.13 | Rickdangerous | you* |
| 00:20.18 | Rickdangerous | too* |
| 00:20.26 | \Igor\ | FieldySnuts: when did this happen to .kr? |
| 00:20.27 | silverton | thoron, is sarge stable? |
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| 00:20.34 | Guerin | resiak: don't pheer that... ph33r the fact that I have a box in Texas. |
| 00:20.36 | FieldySnuts | Rickdangerous: you've obviously never admined a network that's being attacked or tried to keep servers that were being attacked on line. falling on deaf ears, so nevermind |
| 00:20.38 | resiak | !topicsmite silverton |
| 00:20.39 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon silverton. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:20.40 | thoron | silverton, yes |
| 00:20.43 | Guerin | go on.... null route texas, I dare ya |
| 00:20.46 | shingouz | resiak: bah, youre too fast |
| 00:20.49 | resiak | Guerin: Point. |
| 00:20.49 | ryan` | MegaHambone, you're kinda screwed. |
| 00:20.54 | bucky | swim, https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 00:20.55 | FieldySnuts | Guerin: hehe they'd attack the rest of the world (physically) |
| 00:21.02 | silverton | resiak, ouch, that hurt... |
| 00:21.03 | MoDaX | swim: unfortunately, amd64 is not official yet. |
| 00:21.11 | magyar | ethics: should i try the beta version? |
| 00:21.16 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, that's a temporary measure and perfectly ok |
| 00:21.16 | Solet-deb | guerin: only good would come from it.... (i even vollenteer to go relocate your box :P ) |
| 00:21.19 | resiak | shingouz: You don't know about my keybindings, do you? :) |
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| 00:21.22 | swim | ok np, I thought it was soon |
| 00:21.23 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:21.27 | shingouz | resiak: you are shitting me? |
| 00:21.30 | silverton | OHNOES! |
| 00:21.30 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite Texas |
| 00:21.30 | ravenbird | Texas: hold on mate im going to the dunny to take a bog |
| 00:21.34 | silverton | non-us is dead?! =-o |
| 00:21.43 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, I thought you are talking permanent bans |
| 00:21.44 | MoDaX | swim: but hopefully it will become official for etch/sid at the end of current month |
| 00:21.49 | Rickdangerous | +abot |
| 00:21.52 | Rickdangerous | sbout* |
| 00:21.54 | MobyTurbo | silverton: thanks to the repeal of some stupid laws |
| 00:21.55 | swim | great MoDaX |
| 00:21.56 | FieldySnuts | hopefully something about non-us being moved can be put in the topic |
| 00:22.05 | thoron | silverton, Isn't that great. =) |
| 00:22.05 | ethics | magyar: well if it doesnt work now then yeah ...its not like its going to break anythign that works |
| 00:22.14 | Solet-deb | !tell silverton about nonus |
| 00:22.18 | FieldySnuts | well. not that people read topics.. |
| 00:22.19 | Rickdangerous | if it's put doc-base and aptitude should put too |
| 00:22.31 | resiak | shingouz: I have !ubuntu, !drxx, !topicsmite, !knoppix, !kurumin ;-) |
| 00:22.31 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite Phated |
| 00:22.32 | dpkg | Phated: yeahh bob's your uncle you stupid wanker |
| 00:22.40 | bucky | !topicsmite FieldySnuts |
| 00:22.40 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon FieldySnuts. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:22.45 | magyar | ethics: released on may 11. should be fine |
| 00:22.47 | shingouz | resiak: you are nastier than i thought :D |
| 00:22.53 | FieldySnuts | i read the topic every time actually, important stuffc |
| 00:22.58 | resiak | shingouz: It's not nasty, it saves my poor fingerses. |
| 00:22.59 | swim | MoDaX, netinstall is still the only way to install pure64? (i have to use ndiswrapper with broadcom) |
| 00:23.01 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 00:23.01 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 00:23.04 | shingouz | resiak: hehe |
| 00:23.11 | Rickdangerous | FieldySnuts, it always lags IMO |
| 00:23.11 | thoron | Rickdangerous, Did you play this game? http://www.deconstruction.f9.co.uk/rick/st10.png |
| 00:23.28 | zxc | rd is da balls! |
| 00:23.33 | shingouz | resiak: you missed one important though |
| 00:23.37 | Rickdangerous | thoron, well of course |
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| 00:23.51 | _meppl_ | gute nacht/good night |
| 00:23.55 | resiak | shingouz: I did? |
| 00:23.56 | Rickdangerous | thoron, also xrick |
| 00:23.59 | Solet-deb | can some one s/non-us is DEAD/non-us is DEAD thats a good thing so stop freaking out/ in topic? |
| 00:24.02 | shingouz | resiak: yes. lart |
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| 00:24.14 | shingouz | _meppl_: god natt |
| 00:24.17 | _meppl_ | ;) |
| 00:24.32 | resiak | shingouz: Ack! I lost experience! |
| 00:24.34 | mdh | aww man, Apple has confirmed they're switching to wintel |
| 00:24.37 | theorbtwo | Solet-deb: s/is DEAD/is now part of main/ |
| 00:24.42 | shingouz | resiak: :p |
| 00:24.42 | FieldySnuts | so much for being Different(TM) |
| 00:24.45 | theorbtwo | resiak: Are you a perlmonk? |
| 00:24.47 | Rickdangerous | mdh, wintel? |
| 00:24.48 | daesotho | not to wintel |
| 00:24.53 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is DEAD and BURIED and part |
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| 00:25.03 | ryan` | hah, pwned. |
| 00:25.03 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | Spambots? /umode +E; Ask for an op | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is part of main |
| 00:25.04 | theorbtwo | Too long. |
| 00:25.05 | Guerin | just link to the release notes |
| 00:25.07 | kelan | o |
| 00:25.10 | Solet-deb | theorbtwo: or anything that can divert any "lets freak out for no apparent reason" traffic |
| 00:25.12 | bob2 | stupid topic limits |
| 00:25.15 | MoDaX | swim: wait a few days. I think amd64 team will create cd/dvd isos |
| 00:25.16 | mdh | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4612951.stm |
| 00:25.16 | resiak | theorbtwo: Am I? |
| 00:25.18 | daesotho | whats that about non-us? |
| 00:25.19 | thoron | mdh, no, but mintel mactel intellitosh |
| 00:25.19 | kelan | i didnt know sarge had been released. nice:) |
| 00:25.25 | Guerin | the release notes REALLY DO have all the stuff you need to know |
| 00:25.30 | MobyTurbo | bob2: thanks |
| 00:25.40 | analia | hello. i have problems with openoffice and cups. if i shut down cups, the openoffice starts ok. if i run openoffice with cups, then i have a lot of TIME_WAIT connections to the port 631 |
| 00:25.43 | analia | some ideas? |
| 00:25.47 | daesotho | hey everybody, did you know sarge has been released? |
| 00:25.49 | bahamat | ok, when I run apt-setup it sets up testing sources, how do I make it set up stable sources? |
| 00:25.54 | shingouz | jfc |
| 00:25.56 | FieldySnuts | !lart daesotho |
| 00:25.58 | thoron | daesotho, no. |
| 00:25.59 | mdh | congratulations world, mediocre wins |
| 00:26.01 | theorbtwo | Nevermind. |
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| 00:26.02 | abrotman | bahamat: s/testing/sarge/g |
| 00:26.07 | resiak | !fruitsmite shingouz |
| 00:26.11 | daesotho | its only been the top story on /. for the past fike hours |
| 00:26.13 | ethics | bob2: there was a 3.4 package linked to slashdot...maybe not officially packaged or supported on the end ... |
| 00:26.13 | resiak | shingouz: I now have that and !lart :-) |
| 00:26.14 | shingouz | yum. bananas |
| 00:26.16 | swim | MoDaX, is there noway to install ndiswrapper during netinstall? |
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| 00:26.17 | bahamat | abrotman: that's not what I mean |
| 00:26.18 | magyar | any ideas when AHCI will be supported in SARGE? |
| 00:26.22 | thoron | daesotho, really. |
| 00:26.24 | \Igor\ | does this mean that PPC chips will finally get cheaper? |
| 00:26.25 | shingouz | resiak: wtg :) |
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| 00:26.32 | Solet-deb | theorbtwo: i personally prefer: if you are here due to the release of sarge please joint #debian-permasunday |
| 00:26.34 | Guerin | magyar: if not now, never. |
| 00:26.37 | shingouz | you need to teach me that one some day, resiak |
| 00:26.46 | bahamat | abrotman: I already have 100 servers on "testing" and if I run apt-setup in 6 months on something I want it to default to stable |
| 00:26.55 | bob2 | \Igor\: ppc chips are pretty cheap |
| 00:26.58 | theorbtwo | \Igor\: No, more expensive. Even less economy of scale. |
| 00:27.04 | abrotman | bahamat: it should .. dunno why it doesn't .. must get that from somewhere |
| 00:27.05 | Guerin | bahamat: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade path |
| 00:27.16 | bahamat | Guerin: thanks |
| 00:27.20 | Guerin | !sup is <reply>see sarge upgrade path |
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| 00:27.20 | dpkg | ...but sup is already something else... |
| 00:27.25 | Guerin | !sup |
| 00:27.25 | magyar | Guerin:you mean 2.6.8 will remain the only kernel for sarge? |
| 00:27.25 | dpkg | Watchin' the game, havin' a pisswater... software usage poll |
| 00:27.26 | mdh | theorbtwo: actually, since they're going to be in Xbox 360 and PS3, .... |
| 00:27.36 | theorbtwo | Well, cheaper in the short term, as people sell off the excess inventory. Then more expensive, as they become rarities. |
| 00:27.38 | Guerin | dpkg, no, sup is <reply>see sarge upgrade path |
| 00:27.39 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 00:27.39 | resiak | shingouz: You use irssi? |
| 00:27.40 | \Igor\ | damn... and I had my mind set on getting a PPC box on next upgrade |
| 00:27.42 | theorbtwo | mdh: Hm, point. |
| 00:27.47 | MoDaX | swim: there always is. but I imagine it is way too painful |
| 00:27.49 | Guerin | magyar: yes. Stable means 'doesn't change' |
| 00:27.50 | shingouz | resiak: nope, xchat most of the time |
| 00:28.00 | bahamat | Guerin: ok, apparently you didn't understand my question either |
| 00:28.07 | bahamat | I want apt-setup to default to stable |
| 00:28.15 | shingouz | resiak: i guess there has to be a way to get the keybindings in here too but i am too lazy really |
| 00:28.16 | Guerin | bahamat: oh |
| 00:28.26 | resiak | shingouz: In irssi I have /bind ^Ou /say !ubuntu and /bind ^Ox insert_text !drxx . |
| 00:28.36 | magyar | Guerin:is sarge stable? |
| 00:28.44 | Guerin | !topicbadger magyar |
| 00:28.44 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that magyar didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 00:28.47 | asg | Guerin: sup is also, anytime anyone needs a topicsmite, the channel has to drink. |
| 00:28.49 | Solet-deb | Guerin: no stable means place where horses are kept :P |
| 00:28.53 | ethics | magyar: lol |
| 00:28.53 | mdh | \Igor\: I wanted a 17" powerbook, but with a G5 cpu. In the time that I've waited for that to appear, PC laptops have caught up tech-wise with the powerbook |
| 00:28.53 | shingouz | resiak: i see... i need to rtfm to get the stuff working |
| 00:29.09 | mdh | \Igor\: and of course are half the price |
| 00:29.17 | aFlag | why they switched to intel? |
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| 00:29.29 | ethics | mdh: HAHA pc laptops have caught up tech-wise.......Giggle |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | aFlag: as steve jobs .. not #debian |
| 00:29.32 | Rickdangerous | aFlag, because ppc ws slow |
| 00:29.33 | mdh | aFlag: by the sounds of it, IBM told them to go take a hike |
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| 00:29.53 | Rickdangerous | they needed fast chips like celeron |
| 00:30.03 | ethics | mdh: they are closer but the macs are much smoother even with the huge cpus dragging around now |
| 00:30.07 | daesotho | lol topicbadger |
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| 00:30.16 | Anthro | Rickdangerous: they needed fast, low-power chips like the Pentium M |
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| 00:30.25 | theorbtwo | Fun as this is, I need to disconnect, or I'll never get anything else done. |
| 00:30.28 | shingouz | daesotho: some people here have a thing with badgers |
| 00:30.29 | Rickdangerous | Anthro, yes |
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| 00:30.31 | Guerin | bahamat: dunno, then. Seems to be no config file. |
| 00:30.35 | daesotho | yea |
| 00:30.43 | Rickdangerous | Anthro, I was joking |
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| 00:30.53 | ethics | shingouz: mainly furrywolf i think |
| 00:30.58 | Solet-deb | daesotho: badgerbadgerbadger.com :P |
| 00:31.12 | FieldySnuts | !start a badger war |
| 00:31.12 | dpkg | kawfees suck compared to mushrooms |
| 00:31.15 | shingouz | ethics: not furry |
| 00:31.23 | resiak | @pee on FieldySnuts |
| 00:31.28 | mdh | look on the bright side, in order to keep debian/ppc around all we have to do is buy $600 PS3 and not a $12000 mac ;) |
| 00:31.28 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 00:31.52 | abrotman | mdh: or a pSeries |
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| 00:32.08 | daesotho | lol |
| 00:32.15 | ethics | mdh: xbox2 = ppc too and xebian releases already on xbox1 ....just depends on if they can hack around bios's if theres a demand |
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| 00:32.18 | daesotho | 12000 mac... |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | Solet-deb: that's the build date |
| 00:32.54 | kelan | hey! salge released everyone! i just read it in the topic! just wanted you to know! |
| 00:32.56 | mdh | daesotho: hey, I want to dual-head the 30" display thenkyouverymuch |
| 00:32.59 | daesotho | yea |
| 00:33.05 | Anthro | mdh: Or buy up all those dual G5s that are going to be sold used for little cost. |
| 00:33.11 | daesotho | dual everything |
| 00:33.16 | shingouz | !badgersmite kelan |
| 00:33.21 | Solet-deb | abrotman: hush i know that i was just being funny *walks off feeling stupid* |
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| 00:33.29 | abrotman | Solet-deb: ok |
| 00:33.33 | \Igor\ | Anthro: I wonder how long it will take for their prices to come down |
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| 00:33.36 | ethics | kelan: salge is not released toll toystory 4 the search for salge is on dvd |
| 00:33.43 | daesotho | !magic missile darkness |
| 00:33.44 | abrotman | engrish ? |
| 00:33.44 | kelan | shingouz: draft slips? what do those have to do with badgers? |
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| 00:33.48 | FieldySnuts | !irritate ethics |
| 00:33.50 | dpkg | ethics: wenas who uses dvd thx |
| 00:33.52 | asg | abrotman: not even close |
| 00:33.57 | Anthro | So is there any way to make SquirrelMail not check the number of messages in every damned folder? |
| 00:33.59 | shingouz | kelan: how the fuck should i know? :) |
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| 00:34.02 | ethics | hehe |
| 00:34.09 | Anthro | \Igor\: Beats me. Probably about a year. |
| 00:34.11 | abrotman | asg: no kidding |
| 00:34.12 | Rickdangerous | !charge |
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| 00:34.13 | kelan | ethics: ! a fatal misspelling ruins the joke:( |
| 00:34.21 | abrotman | !magic hate ball |
| 00:34.26 | FieldySnuts | hah |
| 00:34.28 | resiak | !mhb |
| 00:34.30 | shingouz | !beer dpkg |
| 00:34.32 | ethics | kelan heheh always the case.... |
| 00:34.33 | resiak | !mhb is <reply> see magic hate ball |
| 00:34.33 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
| 00:35.16 | shingouz | resiak: not mhb too? |
| 00:35.21 | Phated | * resiak should be shot for not using his own keybindings instead of dpkg! |
| 00:35.28 | aiw | i have a woody server colocated in texas, running apache and qmail, is it liikely i can upgrade to sarge remotely without breaking everything? |
| 00:35.39 | daesotho | some of my keybindings no longer work ever since i Switched to 2.6 |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | aiw: hopefully .. that's the idea |
| 00:35.47 | daesotho | they were good keybindings |
| 00:35.53 | cuti | !mhb |
| 00:35.58 | [Granger] | aiw: no |
| 00:35.58 | asg | aiw: yes, check the release notes |
| 00:36.07 | cuti | :D |
| 00:36.11 | [Granger] | you should never do that stuff remotely |
| 00:36.20 | aiw | well, that's a good range of responses :-) |
| 00:36.26 | abrotman | [Granger]: that's crap |
| 00:36.32 | aiw | i have no choice it is in texas, i am in florida |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | [Granger]: do it if you feel comfortable . i've done many remotely |
| 00:36.40 | shingouz | aiw: it *should* work, that does nto mean it *will* work |
| 00:36.46 | [Granger] | abrotman: heh I don't |
| 00:36.50 | magyar | can anyone tell me where would i "alias eth0 to a module"? |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | [Granger]: that's your choice |
| 00:37.12 | asg | magyar: /etc/modules.conf |
| 00:37.22 | Solet-deb | i gotta go to walmart and get 4 buckets of plastic soldiers and decorate the house with them for a week |
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| 00:37.28 | abarbaccia | hey all - i'm having trouble getting an intel webcam workign - i have the modules loaded, and it shows up in gnome meeting, but no picture can be retrieved |
| 00:37.39 | aiw | this is my first debian server, and it has been a pleasure, easy to maintain, over 400 days of uptime with zero problems that i didn't cause myself :-) |
| 00:37.40 | resiak | Phated: You raise a valid point. :-) |
| 00:37.42 | bztunk | !mhb |
| 00:37.47 | Phated | resiak: I do. |
| 00:37.49 | [Granger] | jeez |
| 00:37.53 | [Granger] | stop abusing the bot |
| 00:37.58 | Anthro | asg: Accurate, but misleading. That's created by the stuff in /etc/modutils |
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| 00:38.23 | FieldySnuts | ooo |
| 00:38.28 | abrotman | roughly ? |
| 00:38.31 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: why no more -ot ? |
| 00:38.32 | Anthro | magyar: man update-modules |
| 00:38.32 | aFlag | !mhb |
| 00:38.40 | abrotman | ok .. stop with the mhb |
| 00:38.44 | bztunk | I hate DJB. |
| 00:38.48 | aFlag | i was just testing |
| 00:38.52 | Solet-deb | twf is dhb |
| 00:38.55 | Rickdangerous | !roll |
| 00:38.55 | dpkg | rickdangerous rolled: 2 |
| 00:39.00 | Solet-deb | er: djb |
| 00:39.09 | aiw | i run apt-get update then apt-get -s uprgade, and 226 packages are kept back, what would cause this? |
| 00:39.09 | Guerin | everyone hates djb |
| 00:39.10 | cafuego | Phated/FieldySnuts: get _another_ room |
| 00:39.12 | Guerin | except djb |
| 00:39.13 | Anthro | What's DJB? |
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| 00:39.15 | abrotman | !djb |
| 00:39.16 | dpkg | somebody said djb was an arrogant jerk, or Daniel J. Bernstein, author of qmail, djbdns, etc., or at http://cr.yp.to/djb.html, or a UNIX coding and mathematics genius, or an ego-maniac. See "wanker". |
| 00:39.17 | Guerin | !djb |
| 00:39.18 | Solet-deb | ow.... |
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| 00:39.19 | Phated | cafuego! HELLO, darling. |
| 00:39.21 | Guerin | yup |
| 00:39.24 | FieldySnuts | my god, sunday? |
| 00:39.35 | Anthro | Oh, that guy. |
| 00:39.37 | cafuego | FieldySnuts: it may as well be, for the hangover :-P |
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| 00:39.43 | zl2tod | djb would be right at home on irc |
| 00:39.45 | aiw | djb must be a genius |
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| 00:39.52 | FieldySnuts | heh "wanker" |
| 00:39.53 | Anthro | aiw: Are you running stable? |
| 00:39.56 | cafuego | aiw: Run 'aptitude dist-upgrade' |
| 00:39.57 | Solet-deb | !permasunday |
| 00:39.57 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 00:40.07 | aiw | cafuego: i am |
| 00:40.23 | asg | Anthro: *nod* |
| 00:40.26 | magyar | thanks for the help |
| 00:40.36 | Anthro | aiw: So you were on woody, and now sarge is stable. You really want dist-upgrade, not upgrade. |
| 00:40.47 | MobyTurbo | releaseday > sunday |
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| 00:40.53 | Anthro | aiw: Alternately, you can stick with woody. |
| 00:40.53 | aiw | the difference between apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade is the 226 packages? |
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| 00:41.05 | Guerin | !dist-upgrade |
| 00:41.05 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 00:41.06 | Anthro | aiw: Yes. |
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| 00:41.19 | magyar | anyone using sarge? can you help a brother? |
| 00:41.20 | aiw | i see, thanks |
| 00:41.22 | FieldySnuts | !seen dalnet spies |
| 00:41.22 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: i haven't seen 'dalnet spies' |
| 00:41.28 | bztunk | !why not dist upgrade |
| 00:41.28 | dpkg | If you're going to use apt-get dist-upgrade, when you run the command, you need to make absolutely sure that it isn't going to remove anything you actually want to have installed. If it does, use apt-get install to install specific packages that have been held back on apt-get upgrade, and only allow upgrades that don't remove things that you want. |
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| 00:41.35 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 00:41.36 | dpkg | it has been said that anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
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| 00:41.46 | Anthro | aiw: You almost certainly want to use -u with either upgrade or dist-upgrade. |
| 00:42.07 | abrotman | you should use -u every time |
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| 00:42.52 | blah | <S>treuner, guess who's running what atm :OMG |
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| 00:43.00 | Phated | !win cafuego |
| 00:43.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won the US presidency! |
| 00:43.02 | abrotman | what the hell was that ? |
| 00:43.04 | shingouz | if i used the -u, my systems would be screwed nine ways till sunday. at least |
| 00:43.06 | magyar | for kernel 2.6 on sarge: which module directory is current? Is it /etc/modules.conf or /etc/modprobe.d/* ? |
| 00:43.08 | abrotman | blah: jetscreamer ? |
| 00:43.15 | aiw | when i ru apt-get -s dist-upgrade only 23 packages are kept back, like ssh, base-config, perl, does that seem reasonable? |
| 00:43.18 | abrotman | shingouz: -u ? |
| 00:43.19 | cafuego | dpkg: You can keep that. |
| 00:43.19 | blah | yes on some unnamed live cd |
| 00:43.22 | Anthro | shingouz: Er, I don't think you know what -u means. |
| 00:43.36 | blah | the evil clone |
| 00:43.36 | abrotman | shingouz: how does -u screw up your system ? |
| 00:43.38 | shingouz | isnt that unconditional? |
| 00:43.40 | Thaiger | Lateley when I run kde programs from fluxbox I get a whole bunch of errors from KIconLoader about the /usr/share/icons/hicolor icons not being valid, is there a package I can get to fix it? |
| 00:43.41 | abrotman | no |
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| 00:43.44 | abrotman | shingouz: not even close |
| 00:43.51 | shingouz | k.. |
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| 00:44.03 | abrotman | shingouz: good plan :) |
| 00:44.03 | blah | it sure is... 'windy' |
| 00:44.04 | hanzo_ | Hi all |
| 00:44.21 | Anthro | Thaiger: There's a KDE setting to make it stop complaining about it. Hang on, let me see if I can remember it. |
| 00:44.21 | asg | Thaiger: #debian-kde might know about it |
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| 00:44.26 | bwlang | how do i update a mailman list with a new host url? |
| 00:44.26 | abarbaccia | hey all - i'm having trouble getting an intel webcam workign - i have the modules loaded, and it shows up in gnome meeting, but no picture can be retrieved |
| 00:44.28 | abrotman | shingouz: make sense ? |
| 00:44.38 | abrotman | bwlang: iirc .. there's a #mailman |
| 00:44.38 | blah | streuner, i had to fix it it didn't work out of the box :) |
| 00:44.44 | Rickdangerous | Anthro, kde debug settings |
| 00:44.47 | asg | bwlang: use the web-thingy interface |
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| 00:44.52 | bwlang | abrotman: there is - with me in there... |
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| 00:45.03 | abrotman | bwlang: there are 10 people in it |
| 00:45.19 | bwlang | abrotman: now there are 11 |
| 00:45.25 | abrotman | bwlang: now 10 :) |
| 00:45.26 | shingouz | abrotman: yes. even without that one i always read the frigging screen before hitting yes. obviously i have listbugs too that i have to go through every time |
| 00:45.27 | Anthro | Thaiger: run kdebugdialog --fullmode and set the appropriate message type to not show warnings. |
| 00:45.31 | aiw | does apt-get -u do the install after printing out the upgraded packages, or do i need -s to only simulate, if i want to see what is going to happen first |
| 00:45.38 | abrotman | shingouz: as do i .. but still i use -u |
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| 00:46.23 | shingouz | why is that abrotman? |
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| 00:46.48 | FieldySnuts | !hack squirrelmail |
| 00:46.57 | Thaiger | Anthro: Ok, thanks |
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| 00:47.12 | boow | i just installed sarge but no alsa do i just apt-get it |
| 00:47.23 | aiw | if i wanted to make a duplicate woody server here at the office to test the upgrade on, is there some way to install an identical set of packages? |
| 00:47.27 | pixelpapst | Hey, many congrats to all DDs present ! I love you all. :-) |
| 00:47.28 | abrotman | shingouz: habit i guess .. but i think it's a good idea .. just to make sure :) |
| 00:47.32 | shingouz | boow: alsa-base and alsa-utils |
| 00:47.34 | deadcat | boow: what kernel you use? |
| 00:47.42 | abrotman | !tell aiw about debian clone |
| 00:47.44 | shingouz | abrotman: standing in the rain is a habit? hmm... |
| 00:47.51 | abrotman | shingouz: oh . .it's hot |
| 00:47.52 | asg | aiw: /msg dpkg debian clone |
| 00:47.59 | shingouz | abrotman: bah |
| 00:48.02 | Talnakh | !hack kernel |
| 00:48.04 | boow | let me see 2.4.27 |
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| 00:48.21 | boow | let me see 2.4.27-2.386 |
| 00:48.23 | abrotman | shingouz: hot and humid .. |
| 00:48.25 | Rickdangerous | aiw copy /etc too |
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| 00:48.35 | aiw | abrotman: Asg: thanks, that's very useful! |
| 00:48.36 | deadcat | boow: you should have read the message during the cd boot. then you could have selected a 2.6 kernel. thats what you get for not reading shits. |
| 00:48.43 | shingouz | abrotman: that is good then. it is not hot nor humid in this fscking place |
| 00:48.45 | abrotman | shingouz: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USPA1858.html .. ok .. just humid |
| 00:49.17 | boow | i use the net-inst.iso |
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| 00:50.06 | shingouz | abrotman: not bad. definitely not bad |
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| 00:50.31 | boow | it take me 3 weeks to get a full cd |
| 00:50.37 | abrotman | shingouz: 94% humidity ? |
| 00:50.46 | shingouz | abrotman: yes. and the temps |
| 00:50.55 | shingouz | a bit on the cold side but acceptable |
| 00:50.59 | ethics | boow: but you didnt read the instructions : reinstall with linux26 option at boot of cd |
| 00:51.05 | abrotman | shingouz: it's pretty muggy |
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| 00:51.18 | shingouz | abrotman: 100/100 is about right for me |
| 00:51.52 | boow | cant i just upgrade to 2.6 |
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| 00:52.03 | deadcat | boow: you can. apt-get it |
| 00:52.03 | setuid | Anyone know what happened to http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/non-free/source/? |
| 00:52.13 | boow | ok thx guys |
| 00:52.15 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite setuid |
| 00:52.15 | wiegehts | good times, sarge released, aye |
| 00:52.15 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon setuid. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:52.16 | FieldySnuts | can SOMEONE please put something about non-us in the TOPIC. |
| 00:52.22 | FieldySnuts | oh it is. |
| 00:52.24 | asg | setuid: non-free is no longer necessary. Check the release notes |
| 00:52.25 | abrotman | shingouz: you're in where ? |
| 00:52.25 | FieldySnuts | topic smite me |
| 00:52.36 | shingouz | abrotman: .fi |
| 00:52.37 | FieldySnuts | read the damn topic folks that's what it's there fore |
| 00:52.38 | MobyTurbo | !topicsmite me |
| 00:52.38 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon mobyturbo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 00:52.40 | asg | setuid: s/non-free/non-us/ |
| 00:52.40 | gravity | WOOOOOOO |
| 00:52.40 | FieldySnuts | for |
| 00:52.40 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you could call ops .. but .. i think we got in trouble for that before :) |
| 00:52.41 | setuid | asg: release notes? Hahahah, this is a 7+ year old box |
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| 00:52.52 | MobyTurbo | heh |
| 00:52.53 | setuid | Current of course |
| 00:53.00 | setuid | But I haven't needed release notes in years |
| 00:53.07 | setuid | I'll kill it |
| 00:53.07 | asg | setuid: current to what? |
| 00:53.11 | setuid | Sid |
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| 00:53.27 | asg | setuid: non-us has gone the way of the dodo. |
| 00:53.48 | setuid | So packages were merged? or discarded? |
| 00:54.05 | MobyTurbo | setuid: in a rare moment of sanity, the US Congress mostly removed the export restrictions that made non-us necessary. |
| 00:54.15 | asg | setuid: since you've been running Debian for 7 years, I'm sure you can find the release notes. |
| 00:54.21 | setuid | asg: of course |
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| 00:54.34 | setuid | Longer than 7 years, but -this- box is only 7 |
| 00:55.23 | petfrogg | why does my compile fail on XOpenDisplay? it says it is missing it - can i bee cause i havent installed the nvidia driver for my graficcard and just runs on vesa? |
| 00:55.42 | pipeline | petfrogg: Did you install the nvidia driver with the installer from nvidia? |
| 00:55.47 | petfrogg | noop |
| 00:55.51 | petfrogg | didn't install it at all |
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| 00:56.15 | pipeline | never mind, I thought I read that you had installed the nvidia driver and were having GLX problems. |
| 00:56.19 | pipeline | Do you have the xlibs-dev packages installed? |
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| 00:56.49 | kelan | can irssi send do escape codes? i want to change my urxvt font without closing everything |
| 00:57.08 | kelan | maybe i should start using screen so i don't have to worry about closing term apps to change settings |
| 00:57.13 | aiw | the upgrade form woody to sarge wants to replace my apache 1.3 for apache 2.0, will the upgrade move my existing hosts along with them? how does that behave? |
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| 00:57.25 | petfrogg | pipeline? |
| 00:57.26 | petfrogg | hmm |
| 00:57.33 | petfrogg | if this works... |
| 00:57.38 | petfrogg | i can't thank him.. |
| 00:57.52 | shingouz | petfrogg: he will show up later |
| 00:57.54 | ethics | petfrog: why does my compile........ what are you comppiling? |
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| 00:58.18 | jcorgan | apt-get update returns 404 for all the unstable links |
| 00:58.27 | Solet-deb | how do i tell what version of gnome i'm running? |
| 00:58.32 | jcorgan | is that temporary while everything gets shifted from having the release? |
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| 00:59.00 | dob1 | now updating, it will ask for any package if i want the configuration files from the mantainer or if i want to keep mine ? |
| 00:59.02 | shingouz | jcorgan: temporary |
| 00:59.06 | petfrogg | it worked |
| 00:59.13 | petfrogg | i am installing my favorite wm |
| 00:59.15 | petfrogg | pekwm |
| 00:59.20 | jcorgan | shingouz: thanks |
| 00:59.21 | FieldySnuts | !start a wm war |
| 00:59.21 | dpkg | fvwm95 bites! |
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| 00:59.37 | petfrogg | no war! |
| 00:59.43 | kelan | dpkg: you bite! |
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| 00:59.51 | kelan | ha, that showed him |
| 00:59.53 | petfrogg | i went ion->pwm->pekwm |
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| 01:00.14 | ethics | petfrogg: cool |
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| 01:00.40 | dos000 | anyone know why putting "proc /optsys/bbtel-000/proc proc defaults 0 0" in /etc/fstab has no effect when i reboot ? |
| 01:01.06 | mwilson | Anyone know why it would? |
| 01:01.15 | gvandora | Can anyone tell me if modules.conf was deprecated in the 2.6.8 kernel |
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| 01:01.45 | caphuso | gvandora: somewhere in 2.5 development |
| 01:01.46 | OPEC | sometimes dynamite eam alien abduction at afghanistan with ibrahim salih mohammed al-yacoub and leon trotsky, therefore iraq doj - top secret blast ak74su or gamma particle |
| 01:01.46 | shingouz | dos000: what are you trying to accomplish with that in anycase? |
| 01:02.18 | magyar | ethics: how can i tell the sarge kernel to load sk98lin as eth0? For some odd reason it is associating eth2 with sk98lin. SOS |
| 01:02.29 | OPEC | @ops the jews and the crusaders and speaker of the house goes to brandywine for w-88 warhead or chemical pollutants |
| 01:02.30 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: the jews and the crusaders and speaker of the house goes to brandywine for w-88 warhead or chemical pollutants |
| 01:02.54 | WhiteRabbit | rofl |
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| 01:03.10 | WhiteRabbit | can I have 2 of what he had plz |
| 01:03.24 | shingouz | where the hell do those asswipes come from :( |
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| 01:03.26 | ethics | magyar to be honest modprobe has always worked how i expect....you have to ask everyine 8/ |
| 01:03.29 | INTLOILCOMPANY | @ops oyster creek nuclear power generating station tora tora tora with the sword of allah to kills contaminated water supply |
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| 01:03.30 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: oyster creek nuclear power generating station tora tora tora with the sword of allah to kills contaminated water supply |
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| 01:03.42 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:03.47 | zl2tod | what's this ... echelon bots ? |
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| 01:03.48 | caphuso | bob2: hehe |
| 01:03.52 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:04.10 | bob2 | magyar: why do you care? |
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| 01:04.19 | bob2 | magyar: just alter /etc/network/interfaces to suite |
| 01:04.25 | bob2 | magyar: or install ifrename and edit /etc/iftab |
| 01:04.36 | k-man | hey, i just got some "ide: failed opcode was: unknown" |
| 01:04.38 | k-man | errors |
| 01:04.43 | k-man | is that bad? |
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| 01:05.31 | magyar | i use to modify /etc/modules.conf and alias ethX to what ever module i wan to. That was on RPM based disrs |
| 01:05.32 | ethics | k-man depends what you were doing.... |
| 01:05.34 | magyar | distros |
| 01:05.49 | k-man | ethics, i was doing nothing abnormal |
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| 01:06.00 | bob2 | magyar: that's got nothing to do with rpm |
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| 01:06.15 | bob2 | magyar: installing ifrename and editing /etc/iftab is the real option nowadays |
| 01:06.24 | ethics | k-man: any specific device? |
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| 01:06.52 | k-man | hdc, one of my ide drives |
| 01:07.05 | karsten | WRT /topic: http://www.formorer.de/blogs/ |
| 01:07.14 | ethics | k-man: optical or disk? |
| 01:07.48 | magyar | bob2: why is it so confusing on sarge. I got /etc/modules, /etc/modutils/, /etc/modules.conf, /etc/modprobe.d/, /etc/modprobe.conf and none of them has "alias ethX (module)" :( |
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| 01:08.08 | k-man | ethics, normal ide hdd |
| 01:08.16 | zl2tod | k-man, got backups ? |
| 01:08.20 | bob2 | magyar: because aliasing it is a silly way to do it |
| 01:08.21 | ethics | magyar : its not done like that anymore.. |
| 01:08.29 | k-man | zl2tod, yes |
| 01:08.29 | bob2 | magyar: you install ifrename and edit /etc/iftab |
| 01:08.37 | k-man | just going to do an extra one to be sure |
| 01:08.38 | bob2 | or just deal with the ordering and fix /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:08.42 | bob2 | magyar: this is how 2.6 works |
| 01:08.51 | bob2 | well, 2.6 with hotplug, I guess |
| 01:08.55 | magyar | bob2: roger |
| 01:09.12 | ethics | k-man: fsck after backup and see if it spits errors....possibly a crosslinked file or something...definately a disk thing |
| 01:09.34 | magyar | ethics: is it the way bob2 suggesting? |
| 01:09.48 | k-man | ethics, ok.... could it be a hardware issue with the disk? |
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| 01:10.01 | ethics | magyar : yes |
| 01:10.17 | xtension | magyar dont question the master please |
| 01:10.28 | ethics | k-man: could be a hdparm thing....maybee smart or something but check the filesystems first |
| 01:10.35 | ethics | k-man work you way backwards 8) |
| 01:10.38 | jeff99 | is it possibal to run an xserver on a computer. that does all the processing that needs to be done, and have to display piped to a lesser computer? |
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| 01:10.59 | k-man | ethics, ok, thanks |
| 01:11.05 | magyar | ethics: well in a way it's retarded, but who am i to argue |
| 01:11.07 | shingouz | jeff99: yes |
| 01:11.09 | ethics | bob2 is like yoda.....wise but sometimes speaks in short bursts |
| 01:11.20 | gravity | heh... sideshow yoda |
| 01:11.35 | bob2 | magyar: how is it "retarded"? |
| 01:11.36 | ethics | !doyoda |
| 01:11.36 | dpkg | [doyoda] do what people have said you must, strong are they with debian. |
| 01:11.45 | bob2 | depending on random pci bus scanning order is far stupider |
| 01:11.53 | jeff99 | shingouz, so basically i could run kde at full speed on one computer, output the display to a much slower 200hmz and still get decent performance? |
| 01:12.13 | ethics | magyar: modprobe cant always be right 8).. |
| 01:12.14 | shingouz | jeff99: depends on the network you have but it is possible |
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| 01:12.30 | dos000 | shingouz, just trying to make sure mounting the said (existing) directory is mounted after reboot. just doing "mount /optsys/bbtel-000/proc" always works so i am puzled ! |
| 01:12.34 | xtension | its not known whether chaos is a bad thing |
| 01:12.38 | magyar | bob2: well i shound have to install extra plus the kernel should be smart enough not to force eth0 and eth1 the firewire port |
| 01:12.42 | jeff99 | hmm thanks |
| 01:12.54 | jeff99 | any idea where i could get some information on setting this up? |
| 01:12.57 | ethics | jeff99: sound can not be done via alsa tho you need arts or esd i beleive |
| 01:12.59 | bob2 | magyar: policy in the kernel is bad, m'kay |
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| 01:13.15 | shingouz | dos000: why the hell do you want to mount proc like that is somehting i do not understand |
| 01:13.18 | jeff99 | oh ok Ethics |
| 01:13.20 | bob2 | magyar: also, it again depends on which module modprobe randomly loads |
| 01:13.25 | zl2tod | k-man, is that a resiser FS ? |
| 01:13.29 | bob2 | magyar: ifrename lets you actually tell the kernel what you want |
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| 01:13.42 | bob2 | magyar: the only bug I see here is that the debian installer didn't set it up for you |
| 01:13.43 | ethics | jeff99 video display is reasonably easy i believe but sound accross network is a bit special |
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| 01:13.52 | dos000 | shingouz, bbtel-000 is a chrooteb environement created via debootstrap. i need to point it to the system proc |
| 01:14.06 | k-man | zl2tod, no, ext3 |
| 01:14.14 | shingouz | dos000: i am not going to say anything |
| 01:14.21 | magyar | bob2: ifrename should be a default package ;-) |
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| 01:14.33 | [jason] | is xfs reliable for root on debian/mips? |
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| 01:14.43 | dos000 | shingouz, i am following http://gnustep.ethz.ch/pub/debian-backports/utils/Backport-HOWTO.html |
| 01:14.56 | MasterChief | How to I format the mbr with a MSDOS disk? |
| 01:14.57 | jeff99 | Ethics, well viedo display would be real nice. know of any useful links to get me started in the right direction? what should i search for? |
| 01:15.05 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: xfs is only reliable if you have an uninterruptable power supply |
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| 01:15.15 | shingouz | dos000: good. i haven read that doc so i am still nt going to say anything |
| 01:15.23 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: I guess that means 'No' |
| 01:15.29 | ethics | jeff99 umm its called xdmcp i think ..... |
| 01:15.35 | xtension | what is the dutch locale ? like in en_GB |
| 01:15.35 | bob2 | magyar: yes |
| 01:15.37 | ethics | jeff99 ill check for ya sec |
| 01:15.40 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: yes, it does. |
| 01:15.40 | dos000 | shingouz, is that because i am doing something stupid maybe ? |
| 01:15.45 | jeff99 | thanks alot ethics |
| 01:15.49 | zl2tod | k-man, some folks recommend running badblocks before fsck ... that gives you some idea of the state of the hardware before doing all manner of things to the filesystem |
| 01:15.51 | MasterChief | Somebody please help. |
| 01:15.52 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: what's the issue with it? |
| 01:15.54 | bob2 | MasterChief: why do you want to "formate the mbr"? |
| 01:16.01 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: xfs has very agressive write caching |
| 01:16.04 | gravity | heh |
| 01:16.07 | ethics | jeff99 loading up vmware debian...be a moment |
| 01:16.08 | shingouz | dos000: sounds stupid but i am not going to say anything because i havent rtfm'ed the thing |
| 01:16.23 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: so? |
| 01:16.23 | MasterChief | I want to reinstall Debian, and I need to get rid of lilo for a minute |
| 01:16.23 | bucky | ever fdisk /mbr with a dos floppy on XP ? |
| 01:16.39 | bob2 | MasterChief: you don't need to get rid of lilo at all |
| 01:16.45 | bob2 | MasterChief: the installer will overwrite it |
| 01:16.46 | k-man | zl2tod, oh, ok |
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| 01:16.52 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: so the system, if it crashes, can be too inconsistant to recover. |
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| 01:16.56 | magyar | bob2: than again, you are right about who cares eth1 eth0 eth4 aslong as it loads. But for a newbie like me eth0 is the network interface. bahhh |
| 01:17.05 | jeff99 | ethics, k |
| 01:17.05 | ethics | mastercheif installer can repartition etc |
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| 01:17.09 | bob2 | I can't think of any situation where "formatting the mbr" is useful |
| 01:17.10 | bob2 | magyar: right |
| 01:17.20 | bob2 | magyar: I agree, but it's not the kernels problem :) |
| 01:17.22 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: I never had any issue with irix boxes, why is this affecting linux? |
| 01:17.24 | trave11er | dos000: if you want proc in a chroot, you need to chroot into it and then mount proc normally |
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| 01:17.56 | dos000 | well anyone plz tell me how i am supposed to make "mount -t proc none woody-buildenv/proc" so that when the system reboots its done automagically. i tried with /etc/fstab withno success |
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| 01:18.02 | xtension | what the dutch equiv to en_GB setting ? |
| 01:18.05 | ethics | bob2: the old lba diskmanagers for over 850 mb used to load up there only way to kill was fdisk/mbr on a windows box but yeah extremely isolated |
| 01:18.12 | magyar | bob2: ifrename, i've been looking for an answear for months now. thx |
| 01:18.17 | bob2 | magyar: np |
| 01:18.21 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: I have no idea. |
| 01:18.29 | bob2 | xtension: en_NL? try #debian-nl. |
| 01:18.38 | bob2 | dos000: show us the line you put in /etc/fstab |
| 01:18.40 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: is this affecting only xfs on / or only mips arch? |
| 01:18.46 | xtension | bob2 thanks bob2 |
| 01:18.48 | bob2 | dos000: note that you need that in the HOST fstab, not the chroot's |
| 01:19.02 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: all CPUs. |
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| 01:19.12 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: damn, that's bad |
| 01:19.13 | trave11er | bob2: can one even do that? |
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| 01:19.21 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: and not just on / |
| 01:19.31 | dos000 | bob2, yes i exactly did in in the host as "proc /optsys/asterisk.000/proc proc defaults 0 0" |
| 01:19.39 | dvs | Huh? Sarge is released? |
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| 01:19.46 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: does that means that xfs is NOT to be used at all? |
| 01:19.49 | ethics | jeff99 XDMCP |
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| 01:20.13 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: well, if you have a UPS and need the extra performance for the large files you're processing. |
| 01:20.17 | bob2 | dos000: and when you type "sudo mount /optsys/asterisk.000/proc" in the host, what happens? |
| 01:20.21 | jeff99 | ethics thanks im reading the howto now |
| 01:20.28 | dos000 | bob2 works fine ! |
| 01:20.36 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: well, if the kernel crashes, an UPS won't help |
| 01:20.38 | magyar | Could not download all repository indexes http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found |
| 01:20.46 | ethics | jeff99 hehe if you read anything on howto get sound working ove network let me know hehe |
| 01:20.52 | dos000 | bob2, just rebooting does not work which is puzzling |
| 01:21.02 | ethics | magyar: sarge not testing... |
| 01:21.20 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: if the kernel crashes it can do some housekeeping. If the power supply goes down forget about housekeeping. |
| 01:21.27 | plugwash | dos000 is /optsys/asterisk.000/proc on your root partition |
| 01:21.32 | magyar | ethics: synaptic, what do i do now? |
| 01:21.40 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: userland xfs tools are not good enough? |
| 01:21.43 | plugwash | and if not are the mounts set up to happen in a sane order |
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| 01:21.54 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: they are better than Reiser, which doesn't say much. |
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| 01:22.02 | dos000 | plugwash, no it is on a raid1 located on 2 othe hdd |
| 01:22.06 | ethics | magyar : t do what? i dont use synaptic ever hehe |
| 01:22.29 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: where can I find a reliable comparison of xfs, ext3, raiser4 etc. these days, with reliable benchmarks |
| 01:22.31 | jeff99 | ethics, k i will |
| 01:22.33 | kain | hi guys, I've marked erroneusly package "bash" for removal with synaptic, now it won't unmark it, and everytime I use apt he wants to remove it, how can I unmark this package from removal? |
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| 01:22.50 | magyar | ethics: do i change "testing" to "stable" in the repository list? |
| 01:23.08 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: ext3 is solid, the rest have different degrees of unreliability you'll have to live with if you need their various speed advantages. |
| 01:23.13 | Fo | I would like to upgrade my debian, but apt-get upgrade floods me with some packages that I dont want to install - for instance - exim4 - I have postfix, well configured and I really dont want exim4 on my machine, any solution ? /man ? |
| 01:23.16 | ethics | magyar: yep then apt-get update then whatever you were doing hehe |
| 01:23.32 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: how does ext3 compares to xfs, much slower, or acceptable tradeoff? |
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| 01:23.43 | plugwash | fo apt-get upgrade shouldn't install any new packages |
| 01:23.51 | plugwash | do you mean apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:24.02 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: that all depends upon your needs. If you aren't doing movie editing or other large file manipulations you probably don't need XFS. |
| 01:24.05 | mwilson | Fo: There is no reason why it would be trying to install exim4 unless you did something odd when you installed postfix, like deliberately breaking the packaging system. |
| 01:24.18 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: mailserver, the disk spools are on fiber channel |
| 01:24.18 | magyar | ethics: what if i did an update of caches with the "testing" tree? |
| 01:24.46 | dos000 | plugwash, you think this is due because of raid not being ready when fstab is parsed ? |
| 01:24.52 | bob2 | Fo: aptitude is the recommended upgrade tool, remember |
| 01:24.57 | kain | how can I unmark a package from removal if synaptic won't let me do this, please? |
| 01:25.02 | plugwash | dos000 possiblly something like that |
| 01:25.04 | ethics | magyar: itll re update the lists....security isnt in testing anymore as its now stable.......testing and stable atm are probably identical but reupdate |
| 01:25.10 | plugwash | see if you can find any errors in boot logs |
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| 01:25.17 | deadcat | bob2: i used apt-get dist-upgrade on my chroot and everything went smoothly. |
| 01:25.21 | ethics | magyar: testing will change constantly |
| 01:25.22 | plugwash | fo how did you install postfix? |
| 01:25.29 | dos000 | plugwash, thanks for the pointer |
| 01:25.30 | magyar | ethics: flash the cache? |
| 01:25.51 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: what format? if it's maildir XFS is not only not needed its not optimized for small files. |
| 01:25.57 | ethics | magyar: nah just apt-get update should fix |
| 01:26.05 | magyar | ethics: roger |
| 01:26.07 | wiegehts | what file would set the hdparm settings on each boot? |
| 01:26.18 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: what's the best fs for maildirs (read small files) |
| 01:26.38 | wiegehts | reiserfs under 4k |
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| 01:26.40 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: I'd say Reiserfs if it wasn't for the fact that it loses data. |
| 01:26.53 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: well, I can't afford data loss |
| 01:26.55 | ethics | magyar: clearing the cache just deletes /var/apt/cache which is stuff youve downloaded to install using apt-get....clearing it just means you redownloadthem if you need em...shouldnt matter really |
| 01:27.00 | Chewie[] | Why do I get a notification related to mail when I log-in over SSH? How do I disable it? (It's not biff--biff isn't even installed.) |
| 01:27.01 | shingouz | wiegehts: man hdparm, it is mentioned there in the files section iirc |
| 01:27.01 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: then you want ext3 |
| 01:27.09 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: yeah, not much choice |
| 01:27.14 | wiegehts | shingouz, thanks. |
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| 01:27.27 | MobyTurbo | [jason]: there's plenty of choice, it just is most of the choices suck. ;-) |
| 01:27.33 | shingouz | wiegehts: you will need the manpage in anycase, there are like a gazillion switches all over the place |
| 01:27.34 | [jason] | MobyTurbo: true |
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| 01:27.58 | magyar | ethics: did you never got along with synaptic or you prefer apt instead or aptitude? |
| 01:28.32 | Fo | plugwash : postfix was installed from.... ( dont hit me :P ) sources... |
| 01:28.58 | ethics | magyar : apt /apotitude.......apt-get gets only what you want, aptitude gets what you want and everything in recommended also........they just work...never needed anything else really but im sure i will one day |
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| 01:29.14 | zulkifar | Hi. Sarge released, congratulations all! :) |
| 01:29.27 | bob2 | Fo: there you go |
| 01:29.36 | mwilson | Fo: So how did you break the packaging system so that you didn't get whined at for not providing mail-transfer-agent? |
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| 01:29.45 | bob2 | Fo: so, you need to install postfix from the Debian package, or create a fake package using equivs |
| 01:29.52 | plugwash | Fo what did you di with the existing exim install when you installed postfix? |
| 01:29.57 | plugwash | *do with |
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| 01:30.02 | bob2 | Fo: that fake package will need to Provide mail-transfer-agent |
| 01:30.14 | Fo | plugwash : apt-get remove ? ;) |
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| 01:30.31 | plugwash | Fo but if you did that it would have removed all sorts of other stuff |
| 01:30.33 | mwilson | You didn't just remove exim. It wouldn't have let you. |
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| 01:30.41 | monsoon | any pure64 devs in? I would love to give pure64 a go but am unfortunatley stuck needing ndiswrapper to get online (and wireless is my only connecttion) any suggestions? |
| 01:30.56 | bob2 | monsoon: get a better wireless card |
| 01:31.01 | wishie | anyone here experienced with VLC ? im trying to stream some dvb via http, but the resulting stream is a .bin file, and my windows machines dont want to play it..is there a way to stream it is a .mpg or something ? |
| 01:31.05 | bob2 | monsoon: or #debian-amd64 |
| 01:31.09 | OBGurl | my upgrade blotched.... after a reboot all I get is 'LI' |
| 01:31.16 | monsoon | ah ok |
| 01:31.18 | OBGurl | lilo must have borked |
| 01:31.20 | magyar | ethics: aptitude is sweet but not a tool to mess with when moving from rpm based distros. I messed up a few systems with it :) |
| 01:31.27 | plugwash | Fo either way as people have said you need to build and isntall a fake package to provide mail-transport-agent |
| 01:31.35 | plugwash | not exactly sure how you do that though |
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| 01:31.52 | plugwash | !fake package |
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| 01:31.57 | zulkifar | Has anybody ideas how long will it take until 3.1 be available in stores? |
| 01:31.58 | bob2 | plugwash: the "equivs" package makes it pretty easy to do |
| 01:32.17 | plugwash | !equivs |
| 01:32.18 | dpkg | equivs is, like, a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 01:32.37 | plugwash | yup that looks like what he needs |
| 01:32.44 | mwilson | zulkifar: Since Debian doesn't sell it, it'll be available in stores when someone decides to press CD's of it. |
| 01:32.51 | shingouz | zulkifar: dl it now, make cd's oyu of it and you whould have it on the shelves wednesday i think ;) |
| 01:32.54 | Fo | plugwash : hmm, you know, i dont remember how i removed exim4, i think by apt-get remove, but if really i cant remove it by apt without deleting few things more.... mhmmm |
| 01:33.04 | bob2 | zulkifar: www.debian.org/CD/ should have links to shops that might sell it |
| 01:33.06 | shingouz | s/oyu/out |
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| 01:33.13 | Guerin | Fo: don't remove exim |
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| 01:33.35 | bob2 | all dvd playing programs suck |
| 01:33.44 | plugwash | fo what does dpkg -l exim give? |
| 01:33.48 | silverton | I am confused, I just went from sarge to sid, and it upgraded gnome, but, the version number is the same, I'm rather confused by this |
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| 01:33.52 | bob2 | someone write a non-crap one for me, kthxbye. |
| 01:33.53 | gravity | totem is all right |
| 01:34.00 | gravity | Best I've seen at any rate |
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| 01:34.05 | mdh | Fo: a lot of stuff depends on an smtp server, you might like to replace exim4 by something that actually works so satisfy those dependencies |
| 01:34.11 | bob2 | silverton: "upgraded"? "version number"? |
| 01:34.12 | Fo | rc exim 3.36-16 An MTA (Mail Transport Agent) |
| 01:34.20 | zulkifar | shingouz: he-he, 15 or so ISOs downloaded will cost me about ... let me count.. about $672 (1Mb costs $0.07 here) |
| 01:34.22 | bob2 | gravity: not controllable over a terminal |
| 01:34.26 | gravity | Ah |
| 01:34.30 | plugwash | Fo what kind of system is this? |
| 01:34.37 | wiegehts | shingouz, the file in question is not noted in man hdparm |
| 01:34.37 | plugwash | is it just a mailserver? |
| 01:34.38 | silverton | bob2, changed testing to unstable, and ran apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:34.42 | Fo | sarge |
| 01:34.44 | wolfdream | i get as far as entering "linux" or "linux26", and then the installer can't find my cd-rom. I've narrowed it down to the fact that the installer doesn't have adaptec i2o support built into it. I need help finding the correct module, and then loading it once I've got it... |
| 01:34.48 | silverton | it downloaded gnome again, and the version numbers are the same |
| 01:34.51 | shingouz | zulkifar: ouch. but if you press them on cd's you should be able to sell them |
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| 01:35.05 | Fo | ee plugwash : nope, not only mailserver |
| 01:35.06 | mdh | silverton: perhaps sarge and sid have the same version of gnome? :) |
| 01:35.08 | bob2 | silverton: so, define what you mean by "version numbers"? the dpkg version? the one in the "about gnome" dialog? |
| 01:35.16 | silverton | bob2, yes |
| 01:35.26 | plugwash | fo what else does this system do other than being a mailserver? |
| 01:35.26 | kain | rH bash 3.0-15 The GNU Bourne Again SHell |
| 01:35.31 | silverton | mdh, if they are same, why upgrade it? |
| 01:35.31 | shingouz | wiegehts: really? try /etc/hdparm.conf or something |
| 01:35.33 | kain | damn, I must uncheck it for removal |
| 01:35.33 | bob2 | silverton: yes to which of those 3 questions? |
| 01:35.36 | gravity | Hey, we don't have to point people to d-i any more... |
| 01:35.38 | kain | anyone? |
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| 01:35.41 | gravity | </naive> |
| 01:35.49 | bob2 | hah |
| 01:35.49 | silverton | bob2, sorry, in the "about gnome" dialog |
| 01:35.54 | plugwash | Fo and did you install that stuff from source too? |
| 01:36.02 | bob2 | silverton: right, so sarge and gnome have the same upstream gnome version |
| 01:36.07 | mdh | silverton: it might be a minor upgrade of teh package for translations, etc |
| 01:36.08 | Nexus | I"ve got 2 boxes that are basically the same install. One will deliver mail to me at an alias in /etc/aliases, the other doesn't seem to resolve the alias... Any ideas? |
| 01:36.14 | bob2 | silverton: experimental has gnome 2.10, presumably that will come into etch soon |
| 01:36.19 | Fo | plugwash : ahm, being a httpd/mysql/postgresql/jabber server |
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| 01:36.36 | bob2 | Nexus: did you run "sudo newaliases" after changing it? how do they differ? |
| 01:36.39 | plugwash | fo and was that other stuff installed from source? |
| 01:36.42 | Guerin | Fo: you do have a mta installed, though? |
| 01:36.58 | plugwash | Guerin he said he had a source install of postfix |
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| 01:37.03 | silverton | bob2, etch is testing now, and sid stays unstable? |
| 01:37.04 | BigBlockO | dumb question: where does user activity get logged on a debian machine? |
| 01:37.07 | bob2 | silverton: yes |
| 01:37.14 | bob2 | BigBlockO: which activity? |
| 01:37.16 | silverton | why does sid stay unstable? |
| 01:37.20 | BigBlockO | login and logout |
| 01:37.22 | Guerin | BigBlockO: ~/.bash_history |
| 01:37.22 | abrotman | because .. that's how it is |
| 01:37.24 | bztunk | !etch |
| 01:37.24 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
| 01:37.28 | abrotman | !sid |
| 01:37.28 | bob2 | BigBlockO: /var/log/auth.log |
| 01:37.28 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 01:37.29 | silverton | abrotman, good reason |
| 01:37.36 | abrotman | silverton: it's been that way for a long time |
| 01:37.36 | Fo | plugwash : yes i know i SHOULDNT install anything from source, but from pakages... |
| 01:37.37 | BigBlockO | thanks |
| 01:37.39 | gravity | silverton: It has to do with the development model of Debian |
| 01:37.49 | bob2 | silverton: this is how things work now. sid = unstable, and each new testing branches off the previous testing |
| 01:38.01 | silverton | Okay :) |
| 01:38.01 | plugwash | fo can we take this to pm i'm finding it hard to follow with the traffic level in here |
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| 01:38.26 | Fo | ok |
| 01:38.36 | mdh | oh boy, tigris' servers are being hammered by the svn update |
| 01:38.37 | grahamoz | hey whats the new debian like |
| 01:38.42 | wolfdream | any help installing sarge on an adaptec i2o raid controller? |
| 01:38.55 | dvs | grahamoz: Install it and find out ;-) |
| 01:39.00 | Nexus | bob2, I did run newaliases after I edited the alias file. I had hoped that would do the trick, but alas, no. |
| 01:39.00 | bob2 | wolfdream: try #debian-boot |
| 01:39.10 | wolfdream | bob2: thanx |
| 01:39.10 | mdh | grahamoz: everything non-us has been destroyed. you are now one of us |
| 01:39.11 | Nexus | bob2, I can't see what is different between them really... |
| 01:39.25 | gandy909 | is Dialog or Readline the way debconf looked under Woody? |
| 01:39.28 | grahamoz | lol |
| 01:39.30 | grahamoz | what u mean |
| 01:39.41 | bob2 | gandy909: dialog |
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| 01:39.52 | astronut | why is alsa-base held back yet all other alsa packages upgraded? shouldn't they be held back with alsa-base? |
| 01:39.55 | shingouz | grahamoz: he is trying to confuse you |
| 01:40.01 | Servo888 | Hey I head debian sarge came out - where is the .EXE to install it? Just kidding - good job on the release I'll be upgrading soon ;-) |
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| 01:40.11 | dvs | !lart Servo888 |
| 01:40.13 | mdh | !confuse shingouz |
| 01:40.15 | dpkg | No, how are my snake tomorrow, shingouz? wellies of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra herring |
| 01:40.17 | BigBlockO | bob2 i see logins, but not logouts |
| 01:40.30 | shingouz | @pee mdh |
| 01:40.31 | gandy909 | bob2: thx |
| 01:40.43 | joink | BigBlockO: type last |
| 01:40.44 | amahbod | hello, does anyone here know if DVDRipper can create 4.3GB isos of dual layer 9.6GB dvds? |
| 01:41.19 | amahbod | ethics, you still there? |
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| 01:42.11 | abrotman | amahbod: not #warezx |
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| 01:42.27 | grahamoz | omg is it like 13 cds |
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| 01:42.31 | shingouz | 14 |
| 01:42.36 | amahbod | abrotman, lol |
| 01:42.37 | grahamoz | how many dvds ? |
| 01:42.38 | gravity | +15 more for source |
| 01:42.41 | shingouz | 2 |
| 01:42.50 | grahamoz | that is a big distro |
| 01:42.57 | gravity | heh |
| 01:43.00 | dvs | grahamoz: CDs? You're lucky. I only have floppys. ;-) |
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| 01:43.09 | grahamoz | lol |
| 01:43.12 | gravity | "Debian: We're fatter than your mom's ass" |
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| 01:43.19 | amahbod | grahamoz, hahahaha |
| 01:43.22 | ethics | amahbod, yeah sorta hehe |
| 01:43.26 | shingouz | grahamoz: you need the first one, the rest comes off the web. actually you can install the whole thing wiht three floppies |
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| 01:43.34 | amahbod | ethics, heh |
| 01:43.38 | duncf | dvs: im trying to do the mental math to figure out how many floppies that would be |
| 01:43.44 | grahamoz | lol no kde 3.4.1 |
| 01:43.44 | duncf | but i only have 10 fingers |
| 01:43.53 | amahbod | ethics, any experience with that program? (DVDRipper) |
| 01:43.58 | abrotman | common: what the fuck are you doing ? |
| 01:43.59 | BigBlockO | but is there a log file with that info in it |
| 01:44.01 | duncf | so i can't count past 2^10 |
| 01:44.01 | shingouz | duncf: a double shitload at least |
| 01:44.13 | BigBlockO | so i could see when someone logged in and logged out over the past week |
| 01:44.18 | dvs | duncf: I get about 6500 floppies off the top of my head |
| 01:44.21 | ethics | amahbod...i installed it yesterday but havent played as of yet.... |
| 01:44.35 | mdh | duncf: take your shoes off, use toes |
| 01:44.37 | abrotman | yay #warez |
| 01:44.49 | duncf | mdh: nah, my feet are too smelly for that |
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| 01:44.55 | abrotman | yay #warez |
| 01:44.57 | ethics | amahbod...havent even opened a man file on it yet |
| 01:45.02 | common | abrotman: debian should support xdcc for downloading |
| 01:45.05 | shingouz | how much would that weigh.. sarge on floppies.. should take some serious muscle to carry ;) |
| 01:45.07 | BigBlockO | joink, is there a log file with logins and logouts? |
| 01:45.11 | abrotman | common: why the fuck would you msg me about it ? |
| 01:45.14 | amahbod | ethics, it was just a jar file, there was no man file |
| 01:45.19 | mdh | abrotman: are they offering 0-day sarge? ;) |
| 01:45.25 | bob2 | BigBlockO: it shows logins and outs for me |
| 01:45.30 | common | abrotman: you got me the idea? |
| 01:45.41 | abrotman | mdh: i have no idea |
| 01:45.48 | nvz | will there be any dvd isos or is jigdo the only way to go on getting sarge on dvd? |
| 01:45.50 | abrotman | common: i have no idea what you're tlaking about |
| 01:45.52 | shingouz | common: this is #debian not #debian-war3zx |
| 01:45.57 | amahbod | hahahaha |
| 01:45.58 | abrotman | nvz: as opposed to ? |
| 01:46.04 | dvs | nvz: What's wrong with jigdo? |
| 01:46.09 | nvz | abrotman: like already made ones :P |
| 01:46.09 | BigBlockO | what's the syntax for a sucessful log in and a log out |
| 01:46.09 | ethics | amahbod: oh i havent got the jar vesion it may e different version/gui/different name package thats on my home PC 8/ |
| 01:46.19 | shingouz | common: use bittorrent, ftp, your browser, jigdo.. |
| 01:46.19 | abrotman | nvz: oh . they did have them |
| 01:46.27 | amahbod | ethics, ok |
| 01:46.27 | bob2 | nvz: I think one machine will host it, but no mirrors |
| 01:46.31 | duncf | dvs: 6500 sounds about right |
| 01:46.33 | mdh | common: it'd be better if irc supported bittorrent instead of dcc |
| 01:46.36 | bob2 | BigBlockO: Jun 7 11:43:50 localhost sshd[25337]: (pam_unix) session closed for user rob |
| 01:46.39 | dvs | duncf: ;-) |
| 01:46.42 | nvz | I tried it once and it downloaded tons of shit then died, I got confused and needed the 9gb back, so I deleted it all |
| 01:46.43 | abrotman | nvz: wtf is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 01:46.58 | caphuso | !etch pool |
| 01:46.59 | dpkg | etch pool is, like, Come and bet on when Etch will be released. Ask me about "listkeys etch pool" to find all of the bets, and "etch bet" to find out how to bet. |
| 01:47.04 | amahbod | ethics, so what program do you use to remove region encoding from the dvd again? (sorry for asking again) |
| 01:47.05 | bob2 | hahaha |
| 01:47.09 | dvs | I bet June 6! |
| 01:47.13 | cast | abrotman: link to the bt :) |
| 01:47.14 | dvs | yay! |
| 01:47.14 | shingouz | no way |
| 01:47.19 | amahbod | ethics, it was transcode to compress it to 4.3 from 9.6 right? |
| 01:47.27 | common | mdh should not be a problem using trackerless torrent _c_ library |
| 01:47.28 | shingouz | already an etch pool... |
| 01:47.30 | shingouz | damn |
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| 01:47.54 | dvs | !win me |
| 01:47.54 | dpkg | Congratulations, dvs! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 01:48.06 | shingouz | common: go get it off an ftp, a hell of a lot faster than xdcc |
| 01:48.06 | BigBlockO | hrm |
| 01:48.07 | mdh | it's not fair... I bet that the four horsemen of the apocalypse would be released before sarge |
| 01:48.15 | BigBlockO | what's the config file for auth.log? |
| 01:48.16 | ethics | amahbodL teah transcode or mencoder ....decoding hapens in one of my proggys but i cant remember which probably mencoder |
| 01:48.20 | mdh | I'm just hoping now I was wrong ;) |
| 01:48.27 | bob2 | BigBlockO: there isn't on |
| 01:48.30 | common | i guess without sarge getting released i would have missed the deep throat stuff |
| 01:48.36 | BigBlockO | ok |
| 01:48.38 | leonel | downloaded the 1st iso and installed sarge but it wanted to get security updates from testing/security |
| 01:48.39 | dvs | mdh: And I thought Apple would switch to Intel chips. Wait a minute.... |
| 01:48.42 | BigBlockO | because its not showing logouts for me |
| 01:48.54 | BigBlockO | just logins |
| 01:48.56 | common | shingouz: im running unstable, so ignore my xdcc questions |
| 01:48.56 | amahbod | ethics, decoding also compresses it? or is that a different process |
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| 01:48.58 | bob2 | BigBlockO: are people actually logging out? or just leaving their sessions? |
| 01:49.03 | BigBlockO | well |
| 01:49.05 | nvz | it will probably take me all week to d/l those two dvd ISOs |
| 01:49.09 | BigBlockO | i just logged in and logged out as root |
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| 01:49.21 | dvs | nvz: Even a better reason to use jigdo! |
| 01:49.22 | ethics | leonel: just change /etc/apt/sources.list to have stable or sarge instaed of testing on all |
| 01:49.23 | nvz | but I started it in screen, so I should be good. |
| 01:49.24 | BigBlockO | and it only showed the login |
| 01:49.25 | WiFiTux | someone knows what module is to load for the D-link DFE-530tx ? |
| 01:49.26 | amahbod | nvz, a week to download 2dvds?? what kind of connection are you stuck with! |
| 01:49.28 | mdh | nvz: just beat up some geek with a fatter pipe than yours |
| 01:49.29 | shingouz | common: dont ask them then. if you run sid you should know what kinds of people actually stumble here |
| 01:49.33 | ethics | amahbod same time |
| 01:49.42 | dvs | WiFiTux: Is that the via-rhine? |
| 01:49.44 | amahbod | ethics, awesome. i will look into it! thanks again. |
| 01:49.59 | bob2 | WiFiTux: tx or tx+? |
| 01:49.59 | common | shingouz: no, actually i just went here to check if the sarge rumors are true |
| 01:50.09 | bob2 | d-link is run by morons, and those two cards use different drivers |
| 01:50.16 | leonel | ethics, I know but the question is : will there be an updated installer ? |
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| 01:50.22 | CygnusX1 | Bunch of new Sarge users, or, is this channel always so packed? |
| 01:50.31 | nvz | I got like 3mb Cable I think it is.. but the site is only going at about 90kb/s at best on the two downloads. |
| 01:50.34 | CygnusX1 | common, what rumors? |
| 01:50.35 | WiFiTux | bob2, tx+ |
| 01:50.35 | dvs | CygnusX1: We're partying! |
| 01:50.35 | bob2 | CygnusX1: about normal |
| 01:50.39 | abrotman | CygnusX1: this is about normal |
| 01:50.40 | dvs | WiFiTux: 8139too |
| 01:50.43 | bob2 | WiFiTux: 8139too, iirc |
| 01:50.47 | WiFiTux | :) |
| 01:50.51 | WiFiTux | is that realtek? |
| 01:50.55 | bob2 | WiFiTux: yeah |
| 01:50.59 | ethics | leonel: yeah its probably just not synced everywhere yet |
| 01:50.59 | common | CygnusX1: sarge release |
| 01:51.00 | dvs | WiFiTux: yup |
| 01:51.02 | nvz | I never made or used a dvd before really... I figure I can test out my dvd drive on making sarge dvds |
| 01:51.17 | common | nvz no torrents yet? |
| 01:51.20 | leonel | ethics, so it's a known bug ? |
| 01:51.38 | WiFiTux | bob2, dvs : module not found. This is with kernel-image-2.6.11 |
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| 01:52.00 | Nexus | Ok. So sarge is out. When I do an apt-get update I get a few errors. Do I need to alter my sources.list? |
| 01:52.10 | ethics | leonel: not a bug you probably have the last release before stable installer.....same thing but testing = sarge in new ones i think |
| 01:52.11 | bob2 | Nexus: paste the errors to #flood |
| 01:52.12 | dvs | WiFiTux: find /lib/modules -name '8139too.ko' |
| 01:52.20 | bob2 | WiFiTux: hotplug should load it for you on boot |
| 01:52.22 | ethics | NexusL yes probably |
| 01:52.23 | nvz | *shrug* I havent really used jigdo or torrents.. other than the openft protocol |
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| 01:52.41 | common | torrent i easy |
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| 01:52.52 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 01:52.57 | WiFiTux | bob2, hhmm it didn't. And it is there.. |
| 01:52.58 | shingouz | nice nick |
| 01:53.07 | Nexus | bob2, Done. |
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| 01:53.31 | bob2 | Nexus: change "testing" to "sarge" on the security lines |
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| 01:53.50 | Nexus | bob2, Ok, sweet. Thank you. |
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| 01:54.25 | dvs | When will etch be releases? |
| 01:54.32 | ethics | bob2: seem to be getting alot with testing on security...new unstaller does do it to stable yeah?....they didnt forget to change it ? |
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| 01:54.41 | id10t | dvs start a pool |
| 01:54.43 | abrotman | unstallers rule! |
| 01:54.47 | bob2 | ethics: that's a good point |
| 01:54.59 | ethics | dvs...1/7th/2009 |
| 01:54.59 | mcmanus | If I'm experiencing a bug that is labeled as "unreproducable", how should I go about reporting it? I just sent an email to submit@bugs.debian.org. |
| 01:55.03 | leonel | ethics, downloaded today and is dated today |
| 01:55.05 | mcmanus | *unreproducible |
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| 01:55.30 | dvs | mcmanus: If it's already there, you can send an email to that bug |
| 01:55.39 | ethics | bob2: i thought it was the RC3 installer but it doesnt seem to be quite right as per leonel and a few others earlier |
| 01:56.00 | WiFiTux | bob2, in menuconfig. Which of these too, might be better? ? ?< > RealTek RTL-8139 C+ PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter support (EXPERIME? ? |
| 01:56.00 | WiFiTux | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.01 | dvs | ha!~ |
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| 01:56.10 | ethics | leonel what was the actual iso name you had if you have it? |
| 01:56.35 | dvs | WiFiTux: It isn't there in the stock Debian kernel?!? |
| 01:56.35 | leonel | ethics, I've downloaded the iso1 debian-31r0-i386-binary-2.iso |
| 01:56.40 | bob2 | ethics: yeah, looking into it |
| 01:56.41 | id10t | this is weird... my upload speed is pegged bt'ing the first dvd iso, but my download is at .8 KB/s |
| 01:56.51 | id10t | dubya-tee-eff |
| 01:56.54 | bob2 | WiFiTux: the latter |
| 01:56.55 | WiFiTux | dvs, my bad. I remember that I created a custom |
| 01:57.06 | dvs | >-( |
| 01:57.21 | dvs | WiFiTux: You could try both as modules |
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| 01:58.20 | dvs | ethics: You're being an optimist on the release date. ;-) |
| 01:58.25 | mith | why isn't the security tree in place yet? |
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| 01:58.31 | mcmanus | dvs: how? |
| 01:58.34 | bob2 | mith: it is |
| 01:58.38 | mcmanus | dvs: <== n00b |
| 01:58.40 | ethics | leonel cool thx...if it is a mistake in the new netinst then bob2 will know who to speak to 8).....it is just a sources.list name tho so on the lines in it testing should be replaced with sarge. if it left on testing accorss the board you would recieve etch new packages sometime soon...security doesnt exist for testign normally but the last month it has been available as part of the release process....its now non existent so its erroring |
| 01:58.42 | bob2 | mith: for sarge, not testing. update your sources.list |
| 01:58.45 | dvs | mcmanus: How what? |
| 01:59.04 | WiFiTux | bob2, non experimental OK. |
| 01:59.04 | WiFiTux | bob2, well one mentions the + and the other doesn't anyway. |
| 01:59.04 | leonel | ethics, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso <-- i downloaded this about 4 hours ago |
| 01:59.05 | mith | bob2: I did |
| 01:59.07 | mcmanus | dvs: how do I send an email to that bug? |
| 01:59.08 | ethics | dvs: possibly but its a nice figure to me |
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| 01:59.31 | wishie | since sarge is now released, any idea when xorg and kde 3.4.x will be in sid ? |
| 01:59.32 | ethics | leonel cheers that may be a mistake in the last iso then.... |
| 01:59.38 | dvs | mcmanus: Shoot. I forgot the exact format to send an email to an existing bug |
| 01:59.38 | bob2 | mith: then security for sarge should work fine |
| 01:59.48 | dvs | wishie: very soon |
| 01:59.58 | mdh | I really, really hate wearing boxers |
| 02:00.01 | mcmanus | dvs: d'oh, no matter... I got a response saying I forgot to put "package" or something in my subject, so it's been filed as a bug, heh... |
| 02:00.07 | wishie | dvs: do you know how the upgrade from xfree to xorg is going to work ? |
| 02:00.10 | dvs | wishie: Watch for the flood soon to appear |
| 02:00.12 | OBGurl | do you really need all 14 CD's? |
| 02:00.16 | dvs | wishie: Nope |
| 02:00.19 | bob2 | OBGurl: no |
| 02:00.25 | BigBlockO | bob2, when you asked me if i was just leaving the session versus logging out, what did you mean? |
| 02:00.27 | ethics | wishie: soon its going to be highish priority i expect but xorg dont really help |
| 02:00.36 | dvs | OBGurl: nope |
| 02:00.36 | OBGurl | which ISO's do I need then? |
| 02:00.41 | bob2 | OBGurl: the first is plenty for the common stuff, and apt can just get whatever else you want off the internet |
| 02:00.42 | wishie | ethics: how so ? |
| 02:00.44 | BigBlockO | because i've tried issuing the logout command and it still doesn't pick it up in auth.log |
| 02:00.45 | WiFiTux | dvs, I did... now I forgot how to compile the kernel the debian way... Oh men, I got alzhaimer. :( make-kpkg --revision whatever.v1.1 kernel_image? :( |
| 02:00.46 | leonel | ethics, thanks |
| 02:00.50 | mith | bob2: Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/sarge/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found ? |
| 02:00.51 | gravity | X.Org is a high priority. It's in the works. |
| 02:00.53 | bob2 | BigBlockO: works for me |
| 02:00.53 | dvs | OBGurl: the first one if you have a fast internet connection |
| 02:00.54 | OBGurl | oh ok. |
| 02:00.54 | kain | please, I found many packages "downgraded" in sarge stable (now) respect of sarge unstable (some day ago), is that normal? |
| 02:00.59 | OBGurl | Thanks. |
| 02:01.01 | id10t | OBGurl if you have bandwidth, best way to install would maybe be a netinstall image ... really small inital download, then only download what you need/want |
| 02:01.01 | BigBlockO | hrm |
| 02:01.08 | bob2 | mith: hrm, you're right |
| 02:01.25 | mith | bob2: someone should fix that |
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| 02:01.31 | jasoncohen | apt-get is trying to upgrade my testing marillat packages to unstable and i have my default distro set to testing in /etc/apt/apt.conf. this just started happening. what should i do to remedy the situation? |
| 02:01.37 | ethics | wishie: legacy releases/no .configure releases etc...but it will come sometime soon |
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| 02:02.29 | kain | example: with this sarge stable I have postfix at versione 2.2.3-3 (now) but in repo there is 2.1.5-9 (stable), is that normal? |
| 02:02.35 | Nexus | So what should a sources.list look like for a sarge user now? I'm still not too up on how it all comes together. |
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| 02:02.39 | bob2 | mith: your sources.list is wrong, it should be http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/ |
| 02:02.44 | Nexus | Anyone willing to #flood their sources.list? |
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| 02:02.58 | bob2 | Nexus: apt-setup will regenerate a fine one for you |
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| 02:03.03 | id10t | Nexus just do apt-setup |
| 02:03.10 | bob2 | Nexus: but just replacing "woody" with "sarge" is probably enough |
| 02:03.12 | Nexus | Sweet. I didn't know about that one. I'll give it a whirl. |
| 02:03.17 | WiFiTux | bob2, it was make-kpkg --revision blah.v1.1 kernel_image ? :( |
| 02:03.32 | kain | damn, 812 persons and no one that can tell me if this is a normal behaviour |
| 02:03.33 | bob2 | WiFiTux: hm? |
| 02:03.35 | shingouz | WiFiTux: --revision=blah |
| 02:03.42 | WiFiTux | shingouz, yes! :) |
| 02:03.44 | konra` | kain: what? |
| 02:03.53 | bob2 | kain: packages.debian.org/postfix |
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| 02:03.59 | id10t | this sucks... anyone using bt to get the dvd isos? if so, are you getting more than 1k/s download? |
| 02:04.06 | konra` | lol |
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| 02:04.10 | MobyTurbo | !lol |
| 02:04.10 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a honey badger. http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
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| 02:04.48 | kain | bob2, so I should keep "unstable" in sources.list? I was thinking that sarge was in sync with unstable |
| 02:05.17 | ttick | kain: sarge was "testing" |
| 02:05.20 | bob2 | kain: er,no, the point of sarge releasing is that it doesn't get updated |
| 02:05.41 | kain | uh oh, I'm a little confused now |
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| 02:05.53 | dvs | !confuse kain |
| 02:05.54 | dpkg | Yes, how are my hamster yesterday, kain? shirts of the republic of belarus with extra cream |
| 02:06.04 | gravity | mmm... cream |
| 02:06.08 | kain | well, I always kept "unstable" in my sources.list |
| 02:06.20 | dvs | kain: That is, and always will be, sid |
| 02:06.20 | kain | now I'm switching to "stable", right? |
| 02:06.23 | bob2 | kain: then you're not running sarge, you're running sid, which never releases |
| 02:06.28 | kain | oh, ok |
| 02:06.30 | bob2 | kain: altering your sources.list will not make you run sarge |
| 02:06.31 | wishie | how do people that have "woody" in their sources.list know to change to to 'sarge' ? |
| 02:06.36 | bob2 | apt won't downgrade anything |
| 02:06.46 | gravity | wishie: They only know if they're paying attention |
| 02:06.50 | kain | all right, thanks for the info |
| 02:06.55 | gravity | wishie: The software doesn't tell them or anything |
| 02:07.00 | wishie | although, if a user had 'stable' it would get upgraded anyway, right ? |
| 02:07.04 | gravity | Right |
| 02:07.05 | bob2 | yes |
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| 02:07.11 | wishie | cause the symlink gets updated.. |
| 02:07.27 | bob2 | yup, exactly |
| 02:07.32 | Nexus | bob2, Can you paste sourcesl.list in flood for me? I'm just curious. |
| 02:07.41 | gravity | wishie: Pretty simple, huh? :-) |
| 02:07.44 | wishie | so, when installing debian for someone, i should always use stable/testing/unstable as opposed to the release names.. |
| 02:07.44 | bob2 | which is why you need to be careful before letting apt do things :) |
| 02:07.47 | gravity | wishie: Gives people the option for what they want |
| 02:07.48 | bob2 | sjr: hey, aloha |
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| 02:08.09 | dvs | wishie: I prefer using the release names (sarge, etch, woody) |
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| 02:08.37 | gravity | Which reminds me... I need to update my stable partition :-D |
| 02:08.38 | wishie | personally for me, i use unstable anyway, so it makes no difference to me i guess |
| 02:08.48 | wishie | unstable/sid will always point to the same thing, wont they |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | gravity: now my X is totally screwed |
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| 02:08.56 | gravity | abrotman: What'd you do now? |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | gravity: i told her to take a hike |
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| 02:09.09 | gravity | heh |
| 02:09.10 | BigBlockO | anyone in here know how to make logouts show up in auth.log? |
| 02:09.12 | gravity | abrotman: Nice :-) |
| 02:09.15 | ethics | wishie they dont other than security erroring |
| 02:09.18 | BigBlockO | or why they wouldn't be showing up right now? |
| 02:09.31 | bob2 | Nexus: mine just points at a bunch of local apt sources in my house :) |
| 02:09.56 | gravity | bob2: Showoff |
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| 02:10.05 | bob2 | hah |
| 02:10.14 | bob2 | so it's not very useful to people not in canberra |
| 02:10.15 | Nexus | bob2, You bum. :) |
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| 02:10.47 | ethics | bob2: do you know if they are symlinking etch to testing also? distro names as a defualt seems nicer to me but both are available |
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| 02:11.10 | gravity | ethics: Yes, etch will link to testing |
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| 02:11.14 | common | bob2: http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 not found |
| 02:11.17 | common | any idea? |
| 02:11.21 | bob2 | common: non-us is dead |
| 02:11.28 | bob2 | common: just delete that line from your sources.list |
| 02:11.35 | common | wanted to look if gnutls got a new version |
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| 02:11.38 | common | k |
| 02:11.39 | ethics | common no such thing as non-us its in main now |
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| 02:12.41 | ethics | bob2: so make a factoid to run apt-setup if you have a security not found error you think? |
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| 02:12.47 | Nexus | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found E: Some index files failed to │ |
| 02:12.47 | Nexus | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:12.52 | jasoncohen | is anyone having a problem with marillat trying to upgrade from unstable on a testing system? |
| 02:12.55 | dvs | gravity: American! |
| 02:13.09 | gravity | dvs: Yep |
| 02:13.21 | mdh | Nexus: testing doesn't have security updates |
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| 02:13.48 | jim | Nexus: testing is etch, not sarge |
| 02:13.58 | ethics | nexus apt-setup |
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| 02:14.36 | bob2 | ethics: sure, you can do that :) |
| 02:14.37 | ethics | jim: its a bug/dab default in the net inst |
| 02:14.41 | bob2 | ethics: it is mentioned in the release notes, tho |
| 02:14.45 | common | but sid is still unstable? |
| 02:14.51 | bob2 | yes |
| 02:14.53 | common | k |
| 02:14.55 | ethics | bob2: kk cool just wanted to confirm thats a quickfix |
| 02:14.56 | Nexus | ethics, I tried that, but it's making testing stuff. How do I tell it to use sarge? |
| 02:15.10 | jasoncohen | Nexus, change testing to sarge |
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| 02:15.23 | ethics | Nexus just change the line in /etc/apt/sources list to have sarge instead of testing |
| 02:15.27 | common | bob2: i guess sid will get some new packages next days, when do you think the package flood will be over? |
| 02:15.31 | jasoncohen | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ sarge main contrib non-free |
| 02:15.32 | k-man | how do i tell lilo to boot into single user mode? |
| 02:15.35 | bob2 | common: heh, I dunno |
| 02:15.43 | Nexus | I guess the question is, how do you get apt-setup to setup for sarge instead of testing by itself? |
| 02:15.43 | bob2 | common: it won't start until everyone sobers up, I guess ;p |
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| 02:15.47 | Nexus | Just manually edit it I guess? |
| 02:15.52 | common | 1 month maybe? |
| 02:15.57 | LSorense | k-man: linux s at the boot: |
| 02:16.01 | jasoncohen | Nexus, yes |
| 02:16.04 | LSorense | k-man: or linux single |
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| 02:16.12 | Nexus | Ok |
| 02:16.15 | nvz | I unplugged my pc yanking something out of the plug stip |
| 02:16.15 | jasoncohen | Nexus, change testing to sarge and apt-get update |
| 02:16.17 | k-man | LSorense, thanks |
| 02:16.27 | Nexus | Ok. |
| 02:16.40 | magyar | how are you guys taking the statments in the news in regards to apple affecting linux desktop growth? |
| 02:16.41 | common | i will try to sync buying new hardware and having a stable unstable tree, thats why i ask |
| 02:16.44 | gravity | bob2: I don't plan on doing that any time soon |
| 02:17.04 | magyar | apples intel move |
| 02:17.04 | LSorense | magyar: what does apply have to do with that? |
| 02:17.10 | jasoncohen | for some reason cron-apt isn't emailing me when there are new package updates. the log shows that it is running apt-get to download the new packages. what could be wrong? |
| 02:17.12 | LSorense | er apple |
| 02:17.17 | gravity | magyar: Don't know, don't care |
| 02:17.22 | gravity | magyar: Probably won't change a damn thing really |
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| 02:17.33 | MobyTurbo | magyar: I don't care, as long as there is free Unix who cares if people use Apple instead of Wintel? |
| 02:17.36 | gravity | </former mac head> |
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| 02:18.02 | ethics | dpkg sec is sarge installer will leave testing in your security lines on sources.list, try apt-setup or editing /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to sarge unless you plan on running etch.if you want to run etch just delete the security line and use testing or etch |
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| 02:18.03 | dpkg | ...but sec is already something else... |
| 02:18.15 | deadcat | how do i convert vcd cds to .avi or .mpg to save space? |
| 02:18.15 | ethics | dpkg disec is sarge installer will leave testing in your security lines on sources.list, try apt-setup or editing /etc/apt/sources.list and change testing to sarge unless you plan on running etch.if you want to run etch just delete the security line and use testing or etch |
| 02:18.15 | dpkg | okay, ethics |
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| 02:18.36 | abrotman | wtf is disec ? |
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| 02:18.50 | magyar | so basically it's a sort of "lets stir the shit" news? |
| 02:18.54 | guestish | hey, which is better, a slower dual core or a faster single core? |
| 02:18.57 | bob2 | gravity: hehehe |
| 02:19.10 | MobyTurbo | magyar: reporters have to get paid for somethin |
| 02:19.13 | common | guestish: depends on your usage |
| 02:19.16 | MobyTurbo | something* |
| 02:19.19 | guestish | common: gaming |
| 02:19.25 | common | single core |
| 02:19.25 | abrotman | guestish: depends on the workload |
| 02:19.28 | bob2 | hah, we get mentioned in the Debian wikipedia article! |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | for gaming .. single core |
| 02:19.32 | abrotman | easily |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | bob2: who do ? |
| 02:19.38 | gravity | bob2: Yeah, I saw that :-) |
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| 02:19.43 | guestish | bob2: the channel? |
| 02:19.46 | jasoncohen | what do i have to do to configure cron-apt to send mail? i already have it set to use my email address and to send messages whent here are updates |
| 02:19.48 | gravity | I can live with infamy tonight :-) |
| 02:19.57 | bob2 | abrotman: #debian |
| 02:20.00 | abrotman | ah |
| 02:20.01 | bob2 | guestish: yeah |
| 02:20.02 | guestish | abrotman: so whats the advantage to dualcore? |
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| 02:20.10 | common | guestish: there is just some games supporting smp, all q3 based games |
| 02:20.10 | magyar | MobyTurbo: there is so much fud on the blogs/news that even am confused |
| 02:20.14 | CygnusX1 | Can I safely install Sarge next to XP, Xp64, Slackware, and Slamd64? Is the installer "nice"? |
| 02:20.25 | magyar | MobyTurbo: plus all this DRM crap from Intel |
| 02:20.26 | gravity | It's not entirely accurate. We're more unfriendly to people who hate to read the manuals we point them to, rather than expecting people to have read it first |
| 02:20.35 | gravity | I think that's a pretty big difference |
| 02:20.36 | guestish | Orginizational Criticisms: |
| 02:20.36 | guestish | The chat server irc.debian.org, which is semi-famous for its hostile stance towards users who fail to first RTFM |
| 02:20.39 | guestish | lol... |
| 02:20.46 | dvs | CygnusX1: If you use a separate hard drive, it's dead simple |
| 02:20.46 | k-man | how do i remount / read only? |
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| 02:20.58 | guestish | k-man: mount -o ro |
| 02:20.59 | abrotman | guestish: apps that work well with it :_) |
| 02:20.59 | k-man | or how do i boot linux with / mounted read only? |
| 02:21.04 | k-man | oh, thanks |
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| 02:21.07 | toymachine | does 3.1 use x.org yet |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | bob2: that's not much of a mention :) |
| 02:21.08 | common | guestish: url? |
| 02:21.10 | predius | Wohoo. |
| 02:21.17 | common | toymachine: no |
| 02:21.17 | guestish | common: from the wikipedia artcicle |
| 02:21.17 | bob2 | toymachine: no, sorry |
| 02:21.19 | nvz | toymachine: not yet or ever |
| 02:21.20 | CygnusX1 | dvs, it will be on the existing single drive...I have unpartitioned space remaining |
| 02:21.22 | toymachine | doh |
| 02:21.24 | toymachine | thanks |
| 02:21.25 | guestish | abrotman: heh, aka not many yet for consumers |
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| 02:21.28 | magyar | abrotman: ha you doin'? |
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| 02:21.32 | predius | toymachine, I think it will be in unstable now that sarge is frozen. |
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| 02:21.38 | abrotman | bob2: we are "oppressive and daunting"!!!!!!!! |
| 02:21.40 | k-man | guestish, can i remount it ro if its already mounted rw? |
| 02:21.46 | abrotman | ha you ? |
| 02:21.49 | chealer | predius: be a bit patient |
| 02:21.50 | shingouz | abrotman: we are? wooo :) |
| 02:21.50 | guestish | k-man: not that i know of |
| 02:21.56 | Skywind | Did someone knows this problem: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=linux-kernel&m=111806717714103&w=2 |
| 02:21.59 | pipeline | k-man: Yes, but you don't want to do that. |
| 02:22.04 | kelan | how could 3.1 have x.org if it was just moved to stable? 3.1 will never have x.org unless someone backports it |
| 02:22.17 | abrotman | shingouz: so says wikipedia |
| 02:22.19 | gravity | kelan: That'll happen |
| 02:22.20 | dvs | kelan: 3.1 will never have x.org |
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| 02:22.30 | k-man | pipeline, i want to run badblocks on / but i have to mount ro to do that |
| 02:22.32 | shingouz | abrotman: woo, as i said :) |
| 02:22.34 | magyar | abrotman: not bad, still got some odd problems with ipop3d-2001 package |
| 02:22.35 | gravity | bob2: Do it! |
| 02:22.45 | guestish | lol |
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| 02:23.06 | gravity | I'll probably wind up porting X.Org to stable myself this time around |
| 02:23.07 | predius | chealer, I was just answering to toymachines question. |
| 02:23.18 | guestish | i wonder who the wikipedia writer was flamed by |
| 02:23.25 | predius | It's probably being packages as we speak, anyway. |
| 02:23.36 | gravity | predius: It is indeed. |
| 02:23.40 | gravity | It's building right now |
| 02:23.42 | predius | *packaged |
| 02:23.45 | chealer | predius: he had already left... he could only ask the question knowing the answer and leave immediately anyway |
| 02:23.47 | jim | kelan: branden will start working on x.org soon, and probably for etch. once the packaging stablizes and has all the features working, maybe at that point people will start backporting |
| 02:23.58 | Skywind | The 2.6.11 kernel of Debian set tcp_max_syn_backlog to 256, but 2.6.10 set it to 1024 (Mem=512Mb) |
| 02:24.01 | shingouz | what is the wikipedia url? i am a bit too lazy to start really lloking for it ;) |
| 02:24.02 | predius | ah, yeah. |
| 02:24.09 | pipeline | k-man: Kill as many things as you can and just mount -o remount,ro /. |
| 02:24.10 | BigBlockO | so anyone have any idea why my log file would only show logins |
| 02:24.11 | guestish | shingouz: en.wikipedia.org/debian |
| 02:24.11 | abrotman | shingouz: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian |
| 02:24.12 | predius | I sent the answer before he left |
| 02:24.13 | pipeline | k-man: You don't want to do that, though. |
| 02:24.16 | Skywind | Is this a kernel bug? |
| 02:24.18 | predius | showed after. |
| 02:24.20 | shingouz | thanks |
| 02:24.24 | pipeline | k-man: Also, running a bad blocks scan isn't a great idea. |
| 02:24.31 | pipeline | k-man: Get a knoppix CD and do it the safe way |
| 02:24.42 | k-man | pipeline, oh... |
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| 02:24.44 | k-man | *sigh* |
| 02:24.51 | ethics | BigBlockO, thats all its been told to do? |
| 02:24.56 | abrotman | shingouz: that is pretty lazy |
| 02:25.04 | cmatheson | hi, i'm trying to set up esd on the network, but i can't find any docs.. is esd the right tool? how does one do it? |
| 02:25.11 | shingouz | abrotman: do you knwo what time it is here? |
| 02:25.15 | magyar | if i get a debian source package (dsc) is there a way to modify .configure file before making a (deb) package? |
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| 02:25.18 | BigBlockO | ok, so where would i tell it to do logouts as well |
| 02:25.20 | jim | cmatheson: what are you looking to do |
| 02:25.29 | BigBlockO | i checked the sshd config file |
| 02:25.29 | pipeline | magyar: Yeah, that's what "apt-get source" is for, after all. |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | shingouz: same time as it is here |
| 02:25.34 | cmatheson | jim: i'm running my laptop as a thin client for my desktop machine. i want sound |
| 02:25.34 | abrotman | !date |
| 02:25.34 | dpkg | The current date is Tue Jun 7 02:25:35 2005 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
| 02:25.35 | guestish | im in a famous channel, sweet... |
| 02:25.37 | abrotman | see |
| 02:25.49 | Skywind | Has anyone ever had this problem? |
| 02:25.50 | ethics | cmatherson: i tried to find info but not much around.....esd is what you want but its a bit special as i couldnt find much on it |
| 02:25.54 | shingouz | :p |
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| 02:26.17 | jim | cmatheson: so you want sound produced on the laptop to be streamed over the connection to the desktop? |
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| 02:26.38 | guestish | hrm, i have a problem |
| 02:26.42 | ethics | Skywind: its a problem? |
| 02:26.45 | Guerin | magyar: a .dsc is not a debian source package |
| 02:26.45 | abrotman | guestish: i blame bob2 |
| 02:26.46 | guestish | i dont have enough temp storage =\ |
| 02:26.49 | guestish | abrotman: lol |
| 02:27.02 | cmatheson | jim: er, the other way around... i'm running all my apps off the desktop, so i would like to be able to hear the sound generated by those apps on my laptop here |
| 02:27.03 | jim | that might clutter the connection pretty good :) |
| 02:27.11 | Guerin | magyar: but nevertheless, it is possible to alter the makefile before building debian sources |
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| 02:27.38 | abrotman | ivylnd ? |
| 02:27.38 | jim | oic, still, same thing, other direction |
| 02:27.48 | BigBlockO | ethics, i've got the loglevel set to info and the Syslogfacility set to auth |
| 02:27.56 | BigBlockO | which are the defaults |
| 02:28.05 | Skywind | ethics, but I dont know why. I check the source of kernel, and know the syn_backlog will be set to 1024 when Mem>=256Mb |
| 02:28.06 | ethics | BigBlock0 what info are you looking for? |
| 02:28.14 | CygnusX1 | Does the netinstall CD have 2.6.x kernel? |
| 02:28.17 | k-man | pipeline, so what would the procedure be once i get knoppix working? |
| 02:28.24 | gravity | CygnusX1: Yes |
| 02:28.25 | BigBlockO | log outs |
| 02:28.25 | cmatheson | ethics: yeah, that's the problem i've having |
| 02:28.32 | BigBlockO | so it would show not only when i logged in |
| 02:28.35 | gravity | CygnusX1: You need to boot with linux26 to use it during install |
| 02:28.36 | BigBlockO | but when i logged out |
| 02:29.08 | gravity | CygnusX1: I don't know if that actually will install a 2.6 kernel for you as well, but you can manually do that if you like during install as well if need be |
| 02:29.43 | abrotman | gravity: you slacker .. what the hell have you been doing the last 2 years ? |
| 02:29.48 | gravity | heh |
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| 02:29.53 | jim | on a permasunday like today, it's important to know the installer :) |
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| 02:30.00 | guestish | anyone know why this command would fail: for * in $i; do ln -s "/dev/shm/$i" "/var/cache/apt/archives/$i"; done |
| 02:30.01 | gravity | Mostly fumbling about, looking for what to do after working on d-i |
| 02:30.08 | abrotman | CygnusX1: and yes .. it will install a 2.6 kernel IIRC |
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| 02:30.13 | k-man | is there any live systems that are smaller than knoppix? |
| 02:30.18 | ethics | gravity: linux26 installs 2.6.8 but prolly not latest |
| 02:30.19 | jasoncohen | anyong here have both testing and unstable marillat sources with a default policy of testing in apt.conf? Today's the first time i've had problems. apt-get upgrade tried to replace my testing packages with unstable packages |
| 02:30.19 | abrotman | DSL |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | i think has a live CD |
| 02:30.28 | shingouz | has |
| 02:30.29 | gravity | ethics: Cool, thanks |
| 02:30.33 | abrotman | ethics: it damn well should . .the CDs were made last night |
| 02:30.33 | gravity | Last time I checked, it didn't |
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| 02:30.40 | gravity | This was over a year ago though :-) |
| 02:30.45 | BigBlockO | ethics, so where would i tell it what i want it to log |
| 02:30.52 | ethics | jasoncohen, testing & unstable is the same on marrilat isnt it.... |
| 02:30.59 | jasoncohen | ethics, no |
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| 02:31.15 | daesotho | i installed a few days ago |
| 02:31.16 | daesotho | hehe |
| 02:31.16 | jasoncohen | ethics, different versions of packages and testing has a sarge tag |
| 02:31.37 | daesotho | hehe i installed right before sarge |
| 02:31.38 | ethics | BigBlockO, /var/log has alot of files in it....some have one thing some have others ...depends on what info you want |
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| 02:32.02 | ethics | jasoncohen, wow...hehe never looked i wonder what i grab from hehe |
| 02:32.03 | Skywind | ethics, in kernel 2.6.8-2.6.10 it's value is correctly, only 2.6.11 is defferent... |
| 02:32.51 | BigBlockO | ethics, thanks |
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| 02:33.08 | XO44 | i dont get it shouldnt sid become testing and etch become unstable...it doesnt make sense..will sarge be unstable for ever? |
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| 02:33.21 | gravity | XO44: No and Yes |
| 02:33.33 | ethics | skywind: it could be a bug but i dont think it effects much .... |
| 02:33.38 | WhiteRabbit | XO44, yes it'll be a mike tyson chick |
| 02:33.43 | gravity | XO44: It's because new testing is branched from old testing, not from unstable |
| 02:34.16 | gravity | XO44: So unstable retains its name because it's testing that has fundamentally changed |
| 02:34.17 | cmatheson | hey performane better w/ ssh+compression than normal xdmcp? |
| 02:34.29 | XO44 | ohhhh |
| 02:34.50 | shingouz | XO44: sid is sid |
| 02:34.50 | gravity | Make sense? |
| 02:35.53 | magyar | need info on howto build deb's from .tar.gz or .dsc files. thank you |
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| 02:36.13 | Guerin | magyar: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 02:36.19 | CygnusX1 | gravity, abrotman, thank you! I am going to give this a whirl |
| 02:36.29 | abrotman | give something a whirl? |
| 02:36.31 | abrotman | peas! |
| 02:36.32 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.35 | gravity | magyar: If you've got the .dsc, .tar.gz, and .diff.gz, just do dpkg-source -x on the .dsc file |
| 02:36.48 | gravity | magyar: Then you build the package from the directory that it creates |
| 02:36.57 | gravity | CygnusX1: Good luck! |
| 02:37.15 | gravity | magyar: The maintainer's guide tells you how to do this |
| 02:37.30 | gravity | (it's just one command when you've got all the right programs installed) |
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| 02:37.43 | jim | magyar: from already debianized sources? |
| 02:37.54 | Guerin | jim: try to keep up. |
| 02:37.55 | stetyR | hi |
| 02:38.07 | gravity | bob2: Were people actually trying to tell the chan that we'd released? |
| 02:38.20 | jim | oh, you covered it |
| 02:38.23 | cafuego | If you're just going to do that and not actually customise the package, don't bother compiling it either. |
| 02:38.33 | shingouz | gravity: you would not believe... |
| 02:38.38 | gravity | heh |
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| 02:38.44 | send | i want install debian by the cd image |
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| 02:38.53 | stetyR | mochy mochy |
| 02:39.11 | Nexus | I've got a box using a 2.4 kernel. To update it to 2.6 do I just do apt-get install kernel-2.6.8 whatever? |
| 02:39.14 | Guerin | send: what's stopping you? |
| 02:39.19 | jim | send: first use jigdo to get the image |
| 02:39.19 | cafuego | send: Download the cd image, burn it, boot it, installed it. |
| 02:39.23 | magyar | gravity: when files built from tar.gz files and one needs to evoke ./configure --(with options) to create a .Makefile. How can I do a ./configure --(options) on debian packages? |
| 02:39.31 | Guerin | Nexus: if you're running sarge, yes. |
| 02:39.38 | Nexus | Guerin, I am. |
| 02:39.41 | stetyR | whats up |
| 02:39.41 | gravity | magyar: You don't have to if you've already got Debianized sources |
| 02:39.42 | karsten | "The Debian Project regrets to announce that sarge did _not_ in fact get released today. |
| 02:39.43 | cafuego | magyar: Read the maintainer's guide. it explains everyhting. |
| 02:39.45 | send | ok ,thank your help |
| 02:39.46 | karsten | "It escaped." |
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| 02:39.50 | cafuego | !maintguide |
| 02:39.54 | BigBlockO | ethics, so yea, there's a lot of info in /var/log, but my question is why isn't auth.log getting the entries for logouts that it should have |
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| 02:39.57 | cafuego | !maint |
| 02:40.02 | cafuego | arrgh |
| 02:40.04 | gravity | magyar: If you don't have Debianized sources then you should read the new maintainer's guide |
| 02:40.05 | Guerin | magyar: you edit the makefile; debian/rules |
| 02:40.05 | Matt0 | hi, should I be enabling /dev file system support in my 2.6 kernel on this deb machine? |
| 02:40.10 | SDFH_Linux | guys what do i change my apt-get too to get the unstable or the latest packages? |
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| 02:40.21 | Guerin | !wayc Matt0 |
| 02:40.22 | dpkg | Matt0: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 02:40.23 | karsten | Matt0: That's 'devfs', and I think the answer is "not if you can avoid it". |
| 02:40.23 | DanC | hmm... "release" doesn't occur in the TOC of http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ . I'm curious about what a release means for the rest of debian, besides the people waiting for sarge. are there various queues that get unstuck at this point? |
| 02:40.32 | shingouz | !tell SDFH_Linux about sid |
| 02:40.33 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: you don't. use sarge. |
| 02:40.54 | Matt0 | Guerin: is apt-get better? |
| 02:40.54 | gteppel | I'm running 2.6.10-1-k7 (sid, updated two weeks ago) and just installed two hd's (identicial 20gigs) into my box and tried to raid0 them using mdadm. The creation of the raid0 array was succesful and the format of the raid was also. After setting it up I put the array in my /etc/fstab file but upon reboot it couldn't mount the array, it seems that it lost its settings. It seems to me its probably a module that isn't loaded into the kernel. |
| 02:41.00 | pipeline | sarge was released today, and people are already complaining that it's old? :P |
| 02:41.03 | SDFH_Linux | i was able to get more latest packages |
| 02:41.12 | Matt0 | Guerin: I'm unaware of how to use apt-get to install kernels. |
| 02:41.13 | pipeline | gteppel: md, raid0 are the module names |
| 02:41.22 | Guerin | DanC: some stuff has been on hold pending release - that sort of stuff is likely to start moving again now |
| 02:41.25 | shingouz | SDFH_Linux: not a good time to go sid |
| 02:41.29 | Skywind | ethics, I sent a mail to LKML yestoday, but no one reply now, :) |
| 02:41.30 | gteppel | pipeline: okay |
| 02:41.31 | karsten | pipeline: But of *course*. |
| 02:41.34 | SDFH_Linux | are they in experimental? |
| 02:41.34 | Guerin | Matt0: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 02:41.39 | jim | SDFH_Linux: can you find problems? can you read source and FIX problems? |
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| 02:41.45 | stetyR | you page is hevy |
| 02:41.46 | magyar | gravity: you see debian has a package ipopd-2002 which is build with some options which I need for it to function. So what I have to do is add some options before a create a .deb |
| 02:41.51 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: you DO NOT want to use unstable or experimental. |
| 02:41.58 | shingouz | SDFH_Linux: on experimental you will be nuked moset likely |
| 02:41.58 | Matt0 | Guerin: whats needed to install? |
| 02:42.01 | gravity | DanC: The rest of Debian gets to start development in full again. That means a lot of different things |
| 02:42.10 | SDFH_Linux | how about unstable can i use that ok? |
| 02:42.18 | pipeline | SDFH_Linux: If you have to ask, then probably not. |
| 02:42.18 | Guerin | SDFH_Linux: if you THINK you want to, then you're going to need to figure it out on your own, because we're not going to help you break your OS. |
| 02:42.20 | shingouz | no |
| 02:42.23 | Dashiva | i've never had a problem with unstable being stable in 2 years |
| 02:42.25 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: can you fix debian when it breaks ? |
| 02:42.27 | magyar | Guerin: thanks |
| 02:42.28 | gravity | magyar: You should edit the debian/rules file, like someone else said. Then build the package like the new maintainer's guide says |
| 02:42.32 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: without asking us :) |
| 02:42.36 | Guerin | Matt0: apt-get install kernel-image-whatever.version-yourarch |
| 02:42.37 | chealer | !stable |
| 02:42.37 | dpkg | it has been said that stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or changed unless a security fix is needed, or sta-ble adj; uptime in excess of 365days. The current stable version of Debian is woody (3.0r5). |
| 02:42.39 | gravity | magyar: The ./configure line should be in there |
| 02:42.41 | chealer | ^^what does "stable adj" mean? |
| 02:42.45 | pipeline | Dashiva: Yes, in two years. Meaning you weren't using it in the two years before that, when it was under heavier development |
| 02:42.48 | gravity | magyar: "there" being debian/rules (sorry for being unclear) |
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| 02:43.00 | Dashiva | yep...if it's a desktop unstable is fine, a server, you want stable |
| 02:43.04 | Guerin | DanC: examples: kde3.4, gnome 2.10, x.org |
| 02:43.06 | gravity | DanC: It's a huge project. I could list some things, but you might have something in mind... :-) |
| 02:43.06 | BigBlockO | does anyone in here know much about log files? |
| 02:43.10 | gteppel | Another random question for the channel, how can I increase the length of the history of my previously executed commands? |
| 02:43.10 | jim | SDFH_Linux: if you're running unstable, no one here will help you when you come up with a problem UNLESS it appears that you are able to deal with the problem and you are doing so at a fairly high ability level |
| 02:43.14 | stetyR | stupid |
| 02:43.25 | k-man | is there a way to see what files are being access and which clients are accessing them in samba? |
| 02:43.41 | pipeline | magyar: It's easy to rebuild a package that someone else has built. |
| 02:43.58 | chealer | !tell BigBlockO about anyone |
| 02:44.00 | gravity | magyar: It's not so bad. Go do the dpkg-source -x thing and look at debian/rules and the maintainer's guide. Come back if you still have questions |
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| 02:44.19 | gravity | magyar: You should have to do very little to actually build the package |
| 02:44.27 | DanC | yes, it's a huge project... what I have in mind is any sort of processes that all the developers have agreed to about releases... gnome 2.10 is certainly something I'm curious about... exactly how was it blocked waiting for sarge to go out? |
| 02:44.34 | Matt0 | Guerin: after that, just a reboot? |
| 02:44.41 | magyar | pipeline: i agree , i used to do it with rpm's before. This is a bit new to my gray matter |
| 02:44.43 | BigBlockO | chealer, very funny |
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| 02:44.57 | gravity | DanC: The maintainers didn't put gnome 2.10 in to unstable. It's in experimental in the works to prep it for unstable. |
| 02:45.05 | jim | magyar: one thing you should do now (or at least soon) is go to ftp.gnu.org, find hello-*.tar.gz, unpack it, read -every- file, build, run |
| 02:45.08 | gravity | DanC: Once the maintainers feel it's ready for unstable, they'll put it in, but not before |
| 02:45.09 | stetyR | i need speak whith alfrede |
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| 02:45.14 | BigBlockO | is there someone in here who can help me figure out why i'm not seeing any logouts in my auth.log file |
| 02:45.15 | gravity | DanC: Other things are similar. |
| 02:45.17 | Guerin | Matt0: if you use grub, yes. If you use lilo, follow the instructions you're given. |
| 02:45.36 | magyar | jim: roger |
| 02:45.37 | gravity | DanC: There's lots of new development going on now too. gtk frontend for the installer. Figuring out how to deal with our social contract changes, etc. |
| 02:45.48 | Guerin | DanC: The Law of Opportunity Cost |
| 02:45.55 | magyar | gravity: np, thanks for helping |
| 02:45.58 | chealer | BigBlockO: same for you. I'll tell you when I complete my log files class |
| 02:46.07 | abrotman | !eggs me |
| 02:46.08 | dpkg | ops, please ban abrotman |
| 02:46.09 | jim | magyar, then right after that, get the sources for the hello package in debian, and get that, again, read -every- file (this time especially in debian/), build to package |
| 02:46.10 | BigBlockO | haha ok |
| 02:46.13 | DanC | so the gnome developers weren't bound by any debian-wide policy about releases, they just made a judgement call? |
| 02:46.20 | DanC | er... gnome maintainers |
| 02:46.28 | chealer | !tell BigBlockO about ask |
| 02:46.47 | gravity | DanC: They're looking to get sarge out too. Think of it as a cooperative effort rather than the gnome maintainers struggling against the release |
| 02:46.57 | stetyR | alfrede? |
| 02:47.01 | gravity | DanC: They chose to wait on 2.10 for good reasons |
| 02:47.09 | Guerin | DanC: well, it was discussed and decided on debian-release and debian-devel that a new gnome would break too many things and unnecessarily hinder the release |
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| 02:47.28 | Guerin | DanC: those are mailing lists - you can read the discussions if you care enough |
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| 02:48.01 | jasoncohen | is it safe to automatically install upgrades on a stable system? |
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| 02:48.07 | DanC | I'm still not clear on the relationship between unstable and testing, then... I thought developers were free to stick whatever into unstable, and it would only propagate when certain criteria were met. but I guess that's what experimental is about? |
| 02:48.10 | jim | jasoncohen: yes |
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| 02:48.18 | Guerin | jasoncohen: if you only have stable sources and security, it should be. |
| 02:48.25 | gravity | DanC: That's true of both |
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| 02:48.52 | Guerin | jasoncohen: if you have ANYTHING unofficial, it will almost certainly kill your mother, raid your fridge, impregnate your cat and shit in the bathtub |
| 02:48.57 | stetyR | alfrede? |
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| 02:49.02 | stetyR | estas hay?? |
| 02:49.06 | gravity | DanC: Developers put things in to unstable when they feel they're ready for releas (i.e. ready to propagate to testing). They put them in to experimental to allow people to help test and develop them, but before the maintainer feels it's ready for release |
| 02:49.15 | chealer | DanC: there's a package pools schema on wikipedia that may help you |
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| 02:49.27 | Guerin | DanC: to get into unstable, it must build cleanly on all atrches |
| 02:49.29 | gravity | DanC: So, gnome 2.10 was voluntarily put in to experimental because the gnome team didn't think they were ready to release 2.10 with sarge |
| 02:49.37 | DanC | hmm... release-critcal bugs for etch are the same as for sarge. hmm. |
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| 02:49.40 | jasoncohen | Guerin, for now i think i'll have have cron-apt mail me a list of potential upgrades since i don't feel like removing marillat unless i have to |
| 02:49.57 | Guerin | DanC: it's more complicated than that of course, but that's the gist of it. Some things stay in exp. because they're broken, even if they do build cleanly. |
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| 02:50.19 | abrotman | who is elmo batch? |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | err blatch |
| 02:50.33 | astronut | abrotman: hmm? |
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| 02:50.38 | jasoncohen | but i guess i could remove marillat and set it to automatically update and inform me |
| 02:50.41 | astronut | elmo is red dude from seaseme streat |
| 02:50.43 | Xire | Anyone here have experience with 2C-I and possibly a way I can "install" it to my person? I'd aprpeciate a private messege :) |
| 02:50.44 | astronut | street |
| 02:50.44 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 02:50.59 | abrotman | Xire: on debian ? |
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| 02:51.49 | Xire | abrotman: Err, not exactly. |
| 02:52.00 | jim | Xire: so on what? |
| 02:52.08 | Xire | My person. |
| 02:52.08 | kelan | here we go |
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| 02:52.11 | jim | and what is 2c-i? |
| 02:52.28 | kelan | Xire: like in your arm or something? |
| 02:52.29 | Xire | Eh, if you don't know, it really isn't worth a lengthy lecture |
| 02:52.39 | Guerin | since he's askin on #ubuntu too |
| 02:52.40 | Xire | I figure a lost of people here might attend conventions and stuff |
| 02:52.40 | abrotman | my person ? |
| 02:52.46 | Xire | 2C-I is pretty popular at most conventions |
| 02:52.48 | quitte | i need some help with interpreting what a product does. anti-seize. is it against noises that metal makes when it is moved against each other with a lot of force? |
| 02:52.57 | abrotman | god fucking damn it .. stop being fucking vague |
| 02:53.01 | Overand | jim: 2c-i is a psycghedelic phenethylamine |
| 02:53.02 | Overand | it's a drug |
| 02:53.03 | abrotman | what is 2c-i ? |
| 02:53.08 | Overand | why the hell are you asking about 2c-i in here? |
| 02:53.10 | abrotman | ok .. so fucking ban him |
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| 02:53.20 | gravity | DanC: Ignore that madness |
| 02:53.20 | Overand | it's 2,5-Dimethoxy Iodophenethylamine |
| 02:53.22 | astronut | abrotman: what version do you run? |
| 02:53.24 | gravity | DanC: That's embarassing crap |
| 02:53.26 | Overand | but it's not illegal in most countries |
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| 02:53.31 | abrotman | astronut: if what ? |
| 02:53.39 | abrotman | Overand: regardless . it's totally OT |
| 02:53.44 | Overand | yeah |
| 02:53.44 | astronut | abrotman: deb |
| 02:53.47 | abrotman | astronut: err . of what ? |
| 02:53.50 | shingouz | Overand: most probably because the laws are a bit laggy |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | astronut: i'm on sarge for now |
| 02:53.57 | astronut | oh really? |
| 02:54.02 | Overand | shingouz: i'm not going to get into a debate about this =] |
| 02:54.15 | shingouz | Overand: me neither as a matter of fact |
| 02:54.22 | bucky | quitte, anti-seize is good |
| 02:54.24 | abrotman | astronut: i use my mahcine for work .. not just to test gravity's free form fun of the week |
| 02:54.24 | jim | this isn't about distributing, taking or creating drugs there dude :P |
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| 02:54.30 | Overand | that is the end of my commentart |
| 02:54.32 | astronut | abrotman: ::shrug:: |
| 02:54.33 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: i dont' care :) |
| 02:54.37 | astronut | very few issues with sid |
| 02:54.37 | Overand | commentary, even |
| 02:54.52 | kelan | i always wondered if the =] smily is supposed to be a robot |
| 02:55.04 | TwistedEmotions | abrotman: ;) joking... What are we debating about here? The sarge release? |
| 02:55.18 | abrotman | TwistedEmotions: no idea |
| 02:55.19 | quitte | bucky will it help with the noises the crank on my bike makes? there was some on the screws, but it came with a small package and i dont know where to put it. |
| 02:55.24 | jim | kelanno, it's just a robot foot |
| 02:55.33 | jim | supposed to bring good luck |
| 02:55.37 | kelan | heh |
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| 02:56.08 | bucky | quitte it's not for lubrication of moving parts |
| 02:56.23 | TwistedEmotions | Now assuming I run sid... which I do... Sarge being released officialy means what to me? Nothing? |
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| 02:56.34 | astronut | TwistedEmotions: correct |
| 02:56.35 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: pray |
| 02:56.36 | quitte | bucky sure. i wouldnt know how to get it into the sealed bearings anyways |
| 02:56.42 | astronut | i run two systems, one sarge, the other sid |
| 02:56.43 | TwistedEmotions | apt-get update |
| 02:56.43 | CODEBLACK | wow |
| 02:56.45 | bucky | quitte, it's for keeping fasteners from rusting or freezing up |
| 02:56.45 | TwistedEmotions | Errr.. |
| 02:56.52 | TwistedEmotions | Wrong window. |
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| 02:57.07 | CODEBLACK | i feel like a noob again, i've got a question about network setup |
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| 02:57.15 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, correct you get nothing from it....except the new testing as an option if you want xorg etc when it's in testing but you probably wont care |
| 02:57.18 | shingouz | CODEBLACK: ask... |
| 02:57.18 | quitte | bucky putting it on the bolt that goes through the bearings where the cranks are put on might help the noises? |
| 02:57.31 | indole | Which daemons do I need to invoke to allow sound? |
| 02:57.36 | CODEBLACK | basicly, how. I need to get it set to dhcp |
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| 02:57.46 | bucky | quitte, doubt it |
| 02:57.51 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: kk.. |
| 02:57.55 | quitte | isn't bad to do it? |
| 02:57.56 | abrotman | CODEBLACK: man interfaces |
| 02:58.02 | CODEBLACK | that command? |
| 02:58.12 | jim | CODEBLACK: is there another server handing out IPs over dhcp? or do you want to hand out IPs? |
| 02:58.26 | ethics | indole: probably just alsa |
| 02:58.31 | CODEBLACK | i've already got another server handing out ips |
| 02:58.40 | CODEBLACK | i just need to set it up to get one |
| 02:58.47 | bucky | CODEBLACK, put inet eth0 dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:58.48 | jim | CODEBLACK: and you want what it's handing? |
| 02:58.49 | shingouz | man interfaces |
| 02:58.57 | CODEBLACK | i tried doing that |
| 02:59.00 | bucky | and ifup eth0 |
| 02:59.01 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: it means that unstable is open again to massive changes. unstable has apparently been used as an alternative to tpu |
| 02:59.03 | CODEBLACK | but it says the file is locked |
| 02:59.09 | quitte | bucky ok thanks. i'll just put it everywhere. |
| 02:59.10 | shingouz | CODEBLACK: as root... |
| 02:59.26 | bucky | CODEBLACK, ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0 |
| 02:59.28 | TwistedEmotions | I run sid on my computer.... so what should this line read? deb http://security.debian.org/ testing updates main non-free contrib |
| 02:59.28 | TwistedEmotions | ? |
| 02:59.34 | CODEBLACK | i feel stupid again, how do i load as just the terminal, instead of the gui login? |
| 02:59.44 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: no security on sid |
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| 02:59.47 | TwistedEmotions | chealer: so I should expect some major updates soon? |
| 02:59.50 | jim | TwistedEmotions: sid is not supported by security |
| 02:59.55 | indole | ethics: When I attempt to 'alsactl restore', I get 'No soundcards found...'. Am I doing something wrong? |
| 03:00.02 | TwistedEmotions | So comment it out? |
| 03:00.03 | jim | (nor is testing for that matter) |
| 03:00.07 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: yes |
| 03:00.09 | jim | yeah |
| 03:00.11 | ethics | indole ran alsaconf? and setup a card? |
| 03:00.13 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: and testing won't be when it's etch (at the beginning, anyway) |
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| 03:00.42 | jim | it's etch now, isn't it? |
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| 03:00.45 | TwistedEmotions | well then... that was useless... |
| 03:00.52 | CODEBLACK | so how do i get just the terminal? if I login and then switch to root it says it's locked |
| 03:00.59 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: what was useless |
| 03:01.02 | chealer | jim: tomorrow, I heard |
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| 03:01.08 | gvandora | Can anyone recomend a way to automate the uploading of files between computers over the internet that only updates files that have changed sorta like cp -u ? |
| 03:01.09 | chealer | !tell TwistedEmotions about vancouver |
| 03:01.11 | indole | ethics: alsaconf seems unable to detect my soundcard. It's worked before, somehow. |
| 03:01.14 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: asking what the line should read.. |
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| 03:01.33 | ethics | indoleL: what card shows up in lspci..paste the line |
| 03:01.39 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: this is most likely not the best post about etch big changes, but it highlights some |
| 03:01.40 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: in a way, yes but you found out that there is no security updates on sid |
| 03:01.47 | ethics | indole, one lineonly pls |
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| 03:01.52 | analia | hello. i have problems with cups. i have installed cupsys, cupsys-client, cupsys-gimpprint-drivers and gs-esp packages |
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| 03:01.55 | indole | ethics: 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235 |
| 03:02.03 | analia | but cups says that ESP Ghostscript is not avaiable |
| 03:02.12 | analia | i uninstalled gs-gpl |
| 03:02.17 | analia | some ideas? |
| 03:02.17 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: true.. |
| 03:02.18 | ethics | indole: lsmod and look for anything that could be a sound module..... |
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| 03:02.40 | Matt0 | When apt-get downloads/installs a package, does it check the package with a gpg sign or something to make sure it isn't tampered with? |
| 03:02.42 | ethics | indole: those cards sometimes have oss drivers which need to be blacklisted |
| 03:02.45 | TwistedEmotions | chealer: is this a overview of what they are planning to change? |
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| 03:03.01 | indole | ethics: soundcore 3268 0 (autoclean) |
| 03:03.05 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: it contains some information about that (grep for xorg) |
| 03:03.14 | indole | ethics: blacklisted? |
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| 03:03.50 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: you sure you run sid there? the line you pasted shows testing, not unstable |
| 03:04.11 | jim | how should the security line read for sarge |
| 03:04.11 | ethics | indole: just means that you need to stop the oss drivers loading to make alsa find it....copy your whole lsmod and paste in #flood pls |
| 03:04.11 | jim | nite abrotman |
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| 03:04.15 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: yeah I know... never updated that line... so was wondering if I should.. |
| 03:04.42 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: just comment it out |
| 03:04.51 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: ;) |
| 03:04.58 | chealer | !security |
| 03:04.58 | dpkg | hmm... security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org stable/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Unstable is usually kept up-to-date without having a separate place to download from. Run "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade". for non-us security add "deb http://security.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US/contrib non-US/main non-US/non-free" to your sources.list |
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| 03:05.38 | chealer | hum, needs updating too |
| 03:05.45 | jim | is that correct? |
| 03:07.21 | ethics | indole: as root try this modprobe -r via82cxxx then run alsaconf and see if better results |
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| 03:07.51 | ethics | haha etch has joined debian..... |
| 03:07.56 | chealer | !no, stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added, and changes will only fix security issues. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is sarge 3.1r0, or ask me about releases. |
| 03:07.58 | CODEBLACK | heh |
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| 03:08.05 | etch | hi ethics |
| 03:10.25 | chealer | jim: the sources line looks right. do you have evidence it isn't? |
| 03:11.02 | ethics | afk a sec |
| 03:11.16 | TwistedEmotions | Everytime I run apt-get upgrade I am told that these packages are held back.. anyone know why? Is there a conflict of some sort if I install there? And is so then how do I get it to not show me that message.. is annoying.. The following packages have been kept back: |
| 03:11.16 | TwistedEmotions | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:11.42 | TwistedEmotions | them/if/it's |
| 03:12.04 | jim | chealer: I don't think I'd call it evidence, because I can't trace its usage... but.. I'm seeing: |
| 03:12.05 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, dependancies would break on other apps? |
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| 03:12.10 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: you have put them on hold for some reason. apt-get install them manually |
| 03:12.27 | TwistedEmotions | shingouz: wouldn't mess anything up? |
| 03:12.34 | jim | deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stable/updates main contrib non-free |
| 03:12.39 | chealer | TwistedEmotions: apt-get upgrade, or aptitude dist-upgrade? |
| 03:12.41 | shingouz | TwistedEmotions: i am not sure. install apt-listbugs first |
| 03:12.43 | Guerin | no |
| 03:12.53 | Guerin | !dist-upgrade |
| 03:12.53 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'stable->testing', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
| 03:12.54 | TwistedEmotions | chealer: upgrade |
| 03:13.08 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: read the above and man apt-get |
| 03:13.22 | TwistedEmotions | Im not upgrading dist.. |
| 03:13.37 | TwistedEmotions | What does that have to do with me? I already run unstable.. |
| 03:13.56 | chealer | jim: ah, well, I guess that can be found rather easily |
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| 03:14.09 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you're running unstable and you don't fucking know how to use apt? |
| 03:14.14 | Guerin | !moron TwistedEmotions |
| 03:14.15 | dpkg | TwistedEmotions: You are moron #67 |
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| 03:14.42 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: I do know how to run apt numb nuts... I just dont know why it's holding back packages.. |
| 03:14.51 | bucky | LOL |
| 03:15.11 | Guerin | TwistedEmotions: you clearly don't. RTFM, stupid noob running unstable, as you should have done before you started. |
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| 03:15.49 | TwistedEmotions | Guerin: Why the hate? I love you and you are so mean to me? I thought it was true love.. now I see it was only the sex |
| 03:15.59 | TwistedEmotions | !smite Guerin |
| 03:16.10 | Guerin | ... |
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| 03:16.18 | WhiteRabbit | lol |
| 03:16.32 | jim | chealer, one thing, http://security.debian.org/debian-security does exist |
| 03:16.36 | chennings | how would I change which physical network card is used, I can only see one. |
| 03:16.40 | indole | ethics: I'm getting 'via82cxxx: Device or resource busy' when I attempt to modprobe -r via82cxxx |
| 03:16.54 | chennings | but setup found 2 |
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| 03:17.08 | Guerin | indole: something's using your sound device. |
| 03:17.16 | Goetmet | I forgot to load a module (parport) when configuring the kernel... can I compile it without recompiling the whole kernel ? |
| 03:17.21 | Guerin | chennings: how many do you have installed? |
| 03:17.35 | chennings | well, one onboard and one pci |
| 03:17.40 | Guerin | Goetmet: yes. read man make-kpkg for how |
| 03:17.43 | indole | Guerin: I've killed everything obvious.. Is there a way to tell what it is? |
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| 03:18.05 | Guerin | indole: lsof or fuser. it's probably a sound daemon |
| 03:18.11 | Goetmet | any other idea? |
| 03:18.45 | Guerin | Goetmet: what, the right answer not good enough for you? |
| 03:18.53 | Guerin | i cAN GIVE YOU A WRONG ANSWER IF YOU WANT |
| 03:18.56 | Guerin | bah |
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| 03:19.01 | chennings | ? |
| 03:19.03 | Goetmet | Guerin : I know i's the right answer.. but I asked for help |
| 03:19.09 | pingouin | i can't remember the command that make the bash stop before done another command, someone have better memory than mine ? (which is not hard..) |
| 03:19.19 | ethics | indole / Guerin: well its the oss driver thats causing it so if we blacklist it and reboot it shouldnt be a problem anymore |
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| 03:19.38 | Goetmet | I know there's man pages.. but I think somebody can help a little more than you.. if you can't or dont have time, just don't do it |
| 03:19.41 | Guerin | ethics: that's the crude yet effective way |
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| 03:20.04 | ethics | Guerin: youve dealt with this stuff before....how do you blacklist? ive never needed to do it |
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| 03:20.37 | Guerin | Goetmet: it's pretty straightforward, but I can't remember it ottomh - if I was to walk you through it, I'd have to read the manpage... so you might as well do it yourself and ask for explanations when you run into trouble. |
| 03:20.41 | Guerin | !blacklist |
| 03:20.41 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
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| 03:21.37 | Goetmet | Guerin : I'm already in troubles |
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| 03:21.38 | Guerin | indole: you probably also want to echo snd-via82xx >> /etc/modules; as well |
| 03:21.42 | Guerin | Goetmet: ok. then be specific. |
| 03:21.43 | WiFiTux | the dhcpd project SUCKS! I'm frustrated with this crap. |
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| 03:21.52 | rob_lt | Is there some main config file that controls what modules are loaded at boot, and what modules I specifically don't want loaded? |
| 03:22.05 | Guerin | rob_lt: /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 03:22.08 | ethics | Guerin thx: factoid teaches me too 8) |
| 03:22.25 | kev009 | how do I upgrade to sarge from woody? |
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| 03:22.32 | ethics | indole, understand that? |
| 03:22.41 | shingouz | rob_lt: /etc/modules and /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 03:22.41 | rob_lt | Guerin: so is hotplug doing all the module loading? Why, for example, is the floppy module being loaded when I don't have a floppy drive? |
| 03:22.44 | Guerin | kev009: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 03:23.10 | ethics | rob_lt: floppy isnt plug and play its legacy |
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| 03:23.31 | Guerin | rob_lt: no, hotplug is userspace. A bunch of things get loaded earlier because they're likely to be needed for boot, etc. |
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| 03:23.44 | rob_lt | Guerin: ok, thanks for the info guys. |
| 03:23.54 | Guerin | rob_lt: there's no simple way to disable them all; modules.conf is really tricky |
| 03:24.09 | Overand | hm |
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| 03:24.44 | Goetmet | Guerin : I just need to know how to recompile a module without recompiling the whole kernel |
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| 03:24.45 | ethics | rob_lt: if you never mount it tho the /media/floppy and fstab lines for it can go.....i deleted them as i have no floppy for logic sake |
| 03:25.09 | Goetmet | Guerin : and I know there're man pages.. but could you be a little more specific ? |
| 03:25.09 | Overand | is there anything interesting i should know about doing an upgrade/ dist upgrade now that 'testing' has gone stable? my sources.list/apt.conf says 'sarge' not 'testing' |
| 03:25.13 | jetscreamer | !say how do /me put teh sarge on me box |
| 03:25.14 | dpkg | how do /me put teh sarge on me box |
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| 03:25.49 | chennings | that's me =( |
| 03:25.53 | ethics | Overand: thats it...also security lines are available for sarge now which you may want to add. if you change it back to testing anytime it will migrate to etch |
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| 03:25.59 | nbr | does anyone know what it means if bash says that gcc is not a command? |
| 03:26.05 | SomeCDNGuy | how can i get fetchmail on debian to check ~/.fetchmailrc and not just /etc/fetchmailrc without having a cron entry for each user? |
| 03:26.23 | ethics | nbr: your not root or gcc isnt installed? |
| 03:26.23 | rob_lt | ethics: so is something looking at my fstab file and loading appropriate modules? I'm confused how hotplug/discover/hal/etc all work together.... seems like a bit of a mess IMHO. |
| 03:26.25 | pureone | nbr it means gcc is not installed or its not in your path |
| 03:26.30 | indole | ethics: I think I got it. |
| 03:26.34 | nbr | ah, in my path. |
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| 03:26.43 | nullvoid | !say hello |
| 03:26.43 | dpkg | hello |
| 03:26.44 | Guerin | SomeCDNGuy: fetchmail will run as a user |
| 03:26.46 | nbr | how do i navigate to the program? |
| 03:26.47 | pureone | s/path/paths |
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| 03:26.51 | Overand | jesus creeping god that's a lot of upgraded packages |
| 03:27.04 | nullvoid | .msg dpkg !say hai |
| 03:27.04 | Master-Yoda | how do i setup a nameserver on my dedicated server? |
| 03:27.05 | dak | hey what happend to the non-us site, its missing the side directory |
| 03:27.06 | Guerin | SomeCDNGuy: you can set it to run as a daemon, it's all there in TFM |
| 03:27.19 | jetscreamer | >400 megs for this one grandma i installed sarge for a while ago |
| 03:27.20 | ethics | rob_lt, pnp devices are picked up by hotplug/discover after kernel loads modules......its like having default profile with a second profile loading to assist.... |
| 03:27.24 | dak | the other non-us mirrors have the sid/ directory |
| 03:27.24 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 03:27.24 | dpkg | rtfrn is, like, Read the Fucking Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 03:27.37 | nullvoid | Master-Yoda: look for bind and named in google |
| 03:27.40 | elPepo | hi friends... |
| 03:27.43 | dak | just not non-us.debian.org |
| 03:27.47 | dak | is it cuz of slink ? |
| 03:27.48 | SomeCDNGuy | Guerin : i know it will run as a server, but the /etc/init.d/fetchmail script will only check the /etc/fetchmailrc, i need to use ~ |
| 03:27.56 | elPepo | how do I disable IPv6 support in my sarge ? |
| 03:27.59 | nbr | was the s/path/paths for me? |
| 03:28.00 | jetscreamer | !say is sarge released yet? |
| 03:28.01 | dpkg | is sarge released yet |
| 03:28.09 | WiFiTux | someone here has a dhcpd configuration? I'm declaring name-servers 192.168.1.5; and it tells me that is not valid!! |
| 03:28.16 | WhiteRabbit | now Master-Yoda is asking a question like that can hell get any colder today |
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| 03:28.28 | MidWay_ | Howdy's. |
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| 03:28.51 | nbr | how do i use this gcc compile thing? |
| 03:28.52 | ethics | rob_lt, legacy stuff exists because it cannot be probed effectively i think...either way floppy lines and mount locations are defaults because it cant tell....in some bios there was a report no fdd to win5 type option which is related to this whole floppy thing but most just ignore it if they dont have a floppy as they can alwasy use one if they plug it in |
| 03:29.00 | Guerin | !b-e nbr |
| 03:29.01 | dpkg | nbr: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 03:29.07 | dak | anyone know why the sid/ directory is missing on non-us.debian.org ? is it because of slink ? are you suposed to use the slink directory ? |
| 03:29.18 | nbr | i installed from the internet. |
| 03:29.19 | Guerin | dak: THERE IS NON NON_US |
| 03:29.28 | nbr | so i thought i would have the packages i need. |
| 03:29.29 | jetscreamer | god mixing slink and sid |
| 03:29.32 | MidWay_ | I'm looking at moving a working machine's setup to another machine as a whole, rather than rebuilding the box bit-by-bit. The only problem is, it's completely different hardware.. Are there any apps around that will move one install from one machine to another? |
| 03:29.35 | ethics | sak: non -us is dead its in main now |
| 03:29.36 | Guerin | dak: as very explicitly stated in the RELEASE NOTES for sarge |
| 03:29.37 | jetscreamer | now there's a thought |
| 03:29.38 | indole | Ethics / Guerin: Is it snd-via82xx or via82cxxx that I skip in discover.conf and |
| 03:29.39 | indole | hotplug/blacklist? |
| 03:29.43 | ethics | dak: non -us is dead its in main now |
| 03:29.44 | nbr | but apt isn't working, i think. |
| 03:29.50 | jetscreamer | indole, snd- for alsa |
| 03:29.52 | Guerin | indole: the one starting with snd- is the alsa module. |
| 03:29.53 | nbr | i don't know how to use it anyway to check. |
| 03:29.53 | dak | http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US |
| 03:29.55 | rob_lt | ethics: ok... I'm going to try to do a bit more reading so I understand the mechanics of all that is going on here. I appreciate your help. |
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| 03:29.59 | nbr | just installed linux today, you see. |
| 03:30.02 | ethics | via.....anything with snd- prefix is alsa which you want... |
| 03:30.02 | dak | 'goto it and tell me it dont exist |
| 03:30.05 | Guerin | !crypto in main |
| 03:30.05 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, crypto in main is Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through. <http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain> |
| 03:30.33 | indole | Ok, got it. |
| 03:30.34 | dak | the site is up but their is no SID directory |
| 03:30.34 | dak | their are all the other directorys |
| 03:30.34 | dak | they all work. |
| 03:30.37 | Guerin | dak: WE KNOW |
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| 03:30.46 | stouset | (looking at topic) Hey guys, guess what! Sarge was released! |
| 03:30.49 | Guerin | dak: don't just stand there drooling; read. |
| 03:30.51 | jetscreamer | cool, cryptastic |
| 03:30.59 | Guerin | stouset: again!!!?!12 |
| 03:31.01 | dak | im reading dick |
| 03:31.07 | chealer | !factinfo rtfrn |
| 03:31.07 | dpkg | rtfrn -- created by Rickdangerous <~semaphor@85.99.64.237> 3h 30m 33s ago; it has been requested 10 times, last by Guerin, 3m 43s ago. |
| 03:31.09 | Guerin | dak: that's your problem, then. |
| 03:31.10 | WiFiTux | stouset, no! sarge has release |
| 03:31.10 | jetscreamer | !irritate teh noobs |
| 03:31.11 | dpkg | teh noobs: wenas who uses cable lol |
| 03:31.15 | nbr | so in which directory do you find this gcc program? |
| 03:31.23 | chealer | so, he did something useful |
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| 03:31.24 | dak | then why are the other versions still on that site |
| 03:31.25 | stouset | Guerin: Hahaha. |
| 03:31.29 | Guerin | nbr: you need to read the fundamentals guide |
| 03:31.35 | dak | and yesterady it worked fine for sid |
| 03:31.41 | Guerin | nbr: and you need to install build-essential |
| 03:31.45 | pusling | dak: then install slink instead |
| 03:31.49 | jetscreamer | we love you new guys though, it's just hazing |
| 03:31.58 | dak | no |
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| 03:32.01 | Guerin | !moron dak |
| 03:32.01 | dpkg | dak: You are moron #23 |
| 03:32.02 | jetscreamer | there is no sarge, grunt killed him |
| 03:32.02 | nbr | i don't know if i can do that without my ethernet card working. |
| 03:32.10 | dak | Guerin whats the url to the release notes |
| 03:32.10 | ethics | dak: sarge released today so mirrors are changing around |
| 03:32.11 | pusling | !slink |
| 03:32.11 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 03:32.19 | jetscreamer | lies, sarge is vaporware |
| 03:32.20 | dak | yeah i know im stoned |
| 03:32.26 | Guerin | nbr: get a real ethernet card which is supported in stock kernel |
| 03:32.28 | dak | but it has sarge and woody on the non-us site so |
| 03:32.37 | jetscreamer | what is nbr's nic |
| 03:32.38 | dak | i was asking if maybe it got deleated but guess not |
| 03:32.41 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 03:32.41 | dpkg | methinks rtfrn is Read the Fucking Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 03:32.49 | dak | and the other non-us mirrors, still have a sid/ directory |
| 03:32.50 | dak | so |
| 03:32.50 | jetscreamer | dak they keep the old stuff around |
| 03:32.51 | nbr | well, it's showing a card when it boots up, but it's not the one that's in the computer. |
| 03:32.56 | dak | so then |
| 03:33.01 | shingouz | !tell dak about enter |
| 03:33.02 | nbr | i'm using a d-link dfe690 TXD |
| 03:33.33 | ethics | nbr: dfe690 is the module name... |
| 03:33.40 | nbr | but it shows up as RealTek RTL8139 |
| 03:33.45 | Guerin | nbr: then it's just magically making up an eth card? |
| 03:33.48 | dak | you gotta add the non-us lines to just the normal debian sites like "http.us.debian.org" and just put in sid/non-us also ? |
| 03:33.50 | jetscreamer | !ethics++ |
| 03:33.52 | magyar | Guerin: am reading throught the package documentation and there is no ./configure the options are specified on the make line like "make slx --ssltype=nopwd" i need to change the building process to ssltype=none |
| 03:33.57 | Guerin | nbr: that's probably the chipset on the card |
| 03:33.58 | pingouin | how can i make the shell wait x seconds/minuts before doing another command ? |
| 03:34.00 | dak | Guerin ? |
| 03:34.06 | nbr | ok. |
| 03:34.14 | jetscreamer | dak, don't hand edit stuff :( |
| 03:34.16 | shingouz | dak: there is no non-us anymore |
| 03:34.16 | Guerin | dak: THERE IS NO NON_US FOR SID |
| 03:34.16 | nbr | so, i should be able to install packages with apt, then? |
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| 03:34.21 | ethics | dak: things are in the middle of a bit of a change as sarge has released....non-free is going away as it is main....the directories may exist but probably because they are out of sync atm |
| 03:34.21 | Guerin | dak: i repeat |
| 03:34.24 | Guerin | dak: THERE IS NO NON_US FOR SID |
| 03:34.29 | dak | jet iv been handediting this file for years |
| 03:34.40 | Guerin | dak: none. Nada. zip. zilch. opsoyo. |
| 03:34.44 | nbr | or is the card still not installed? |
| 03:34.46 | dak | ok so its just all in main contrib non-free then ? |
| 03:34.52 | Guerin | dak: YES |
| 03:34.55 | jetscreamer | nbr, if discover/hotplug didn't install the module, modprobe it. but do you use pppoe, and did you set it up? |
| 03:34.59 | Guerin | dak: need I make this any more clear? |
| 03:34.59 | ethics | dak: no nonfree all in main |
| 03:35.03 | shingouz | geeee... some synapses still fire |
| 03:35.03 | nbr | see the reason this is confusing is that i thought i was installing from the internet. |
| 03:35.04 | dak | thats all i wanted to knwo sorry for pissin you off |
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| 03:35.12 | magyar | Guerin: I looked in debian/rules but there is nothing there |
| 03:35.13 | WiFiTux | Guerin, so, there was a non-us for woody, but not for sarge or Sid> |
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| 03:35.19 | pingouin | !command |
| 03:35.20 | quitte | i'm looking for volunteers toport yast to debian and make it the central management tool. |
| 03:35.22 | WiFiTux | not necessary |
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| 03:35.24 | quitte | :] |
| 03:35.26 | nbr | i don't use pppoe. it's an always on dsl connection. |
| 03:35.29 | Guerin | WiFiTux: yes. |
| 03:35.31 | nbr | and the laptop's on a lan. |
| 03:35.31 | pingouin | !commands |
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| 03:35.39 | pingouin | !bash |
| 03:35.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash is the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
| 03:35.42 | jetscreamer | nbr, static ip's? |
| 03:35.43 | elPepo | how do I disable IPv6 support in my sarge ? |
| 03:35.49 | Guerin | magyar: then it's not a valid source package, or you didn't unpack it correctly. |
| 03:35.50 | nbr | no, dhcp |
| 03:35.51 | jetscreamer | elPepo, take it out |
| 03:35.57 | pingouin | !shell |
| 03:35.57 | dpkg | from memory, shell is telnet http://www.boston.ru |
| 03:36.09 | nbr | how do i modprobe? |
| 03:36.19 | jetscreamer | nbr, is this a router facing the internet? |
| 03:36.30 | nbr | yep. |
| 03:36.30 | pingouin | !bash |
| 03:36.30 | dpkg | bash is, like, the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
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| 03:36.45 | nbr | i'm connected through this router right now. |
| 03:36.45 | pingouin | !debian shell |
| 03:36.50 | nbr | on my other comp. |
| 03:36.58 | shingouz | pingouin: do you mind? |
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| 03:37.03 | jetscreamer | modprobe <module> btw nbr |
| 03:37.07 | id10t | 'lo all |
| 03:37.35 | jetscreamer | nbr what does ifconfig -a return for eth0 |
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| 03:37.54 | id10t | i'm using bittorrent to download the dvd images of The Release ... but my dl is like 0.1k/s |
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| 03:38.02 | Guerin | id10t: just started? |
| 03:38.14 | id10t | Guerin running about 15 minutes |
| 03:38.23 | nbr | i have to go plug it back into the ethernet cable, then i'll tell you. |
| 03:38.30 | id10t | Guerin my upload tends to hover near teh max i set it to |
| 03:38.35 | nbr | (i brought it in here with me in case i had to do stuff on it. |
| 03:38.45 | id10t | so i'm pretty sure my port forwarding is proper |
| 03:38.46 | magyar | Guerin: sure i did, i got all of them from debian pool |
| 03:38.50 | SomeCDNGuy | is there some flag i have to set with fetchmail to read users ~/.fetchmailrc file? i can only get it to read the /etc/fetchmailrc file. ive read threw all the doc's i can find |
| 03:38.54 | jetscreamer | i find that upstream saturation depletes downstream |
| 03:39.26 | Guerin | id10t: read the bittorrent faq. |
| 03:39.37 | jetscreamer | lol the /topic |
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| 03:39.54 | jetscreamer | non-us is part of main haha /topic |
| 03:39.57 | EvanCarroll | Guerin: don't call him fag, that will offend queers |
| 03:40.07 | shingouz | jetscreamer: were you here before sarge actually released? |
| 03:40.10 | magyar | Guerin: uw-ipopd does not use configure, but what i found is the params are in Makefile. (dpkg-source -x file.dsc) |
| 03:40.11 | jetscreamer | !moron EvanCarroll |
| 03:40.12 | nbr | ok, it doesn't say anything about the card. |
| 03:40.14 | dpkg | EvanCarroll: You are moron #19 |
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| 03:40.16 | jetscreamer | shingouz, yeah |
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| 03:40.21 | nbr | and the subnet is set wrong. |
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| 03:40.27 | Guerin | EvanCarroll: ... |
| 03:40.31 | shingouz | jetscreamer: then you know why the topic :) |
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| 03:40.45 | nbr | and the ip is wrong. can you tell me how to renew? |
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| 03:40.58 | jetscreamer | shingouz, no i was laughing at how many times guerin tole what'shisname that |
| 03:40.59 | aman | Having trouble with my printer. My parallel port is recognized, recognizes the model number and such by CUPS, but when I go do a test page nothing happens! |
| 03:41.01 | EvanCarroll | nbr 'ifdown ethX; ifup ethX;' |
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| 03:41.11 | EvanCarroll | nbr: or dhclient |
| 03:41.14 | aman | HP printer, and yes I got hp-ppd |
| 03:41.27 | shingouz | jetscreamer: hehehe... i was about to get some popcorn at the time ;) |
| 03:41.32 | MidWay_ | Is anyone able to give some insight/thoughts/advice on how to move an install of Debian from one machine to another (note: wildy differing hardware) |
| 03:41.52 | justin` | what should I do for a sarge install that won't auto configure the network for dhcp? Using a router that is running a dhcp server, i just have the net install bootable cd but I could download the regular sized isos if need be |
| 03:41.53 | Guerin | MidWay_: take out hdd ; put in new computer, boot. |
| 03:41.56 | jetscreamer | nbr, no i'm not that good with dhcp. what i do, is i set a static ip, 192.168.xxx.xxx and a gateway and dns... just changed over from years of static ip's |
| 03:42.00 | rob_lt | Is there a way to log the entire boot process to a file or something? There are a number of things that fly by that I want to investigate, but dmesg does not seem to log everything. |
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| 03:42.11 | jla | MidWay_ wildly meaning i386 to PPC? |
| 03:42.11 | aman | Can anybody help me out with getting CUPS to work? |
| 03:42.14 | jetscreamer | works fine my new router loves me |
| 03:42.15 | EvanCarroll | rob_lt: dmesg |
| 03:42.16 | Guerin | rob_lt: dmesg only logs a certain amount. |
| 03:42.20 | EvanCarroll | rob_lt: or /var/log/sys* |
| 03:42.26 | rob_lt | aman: /msg dpkg cups |
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| 03:42.27 | Guerin | it might be configurable |
| 03:42.30 | MidWay_ | Guerin: Wildy.. Software IDE raid to Hardware SCSI raid with differing amounts of drives :P |
| 03:42.37 | MidWay_ | jla: P3 to P3. |
| 03:42.39 | Guerin | MidWay_: whee! |
| 03:42.40 | nbr | okay, things look connected properly. |
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| 03:42.53 | Guerin | MidWay_: rsync and dd for the MBR |
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| 03:43.01 | nbr | how do i test the internet connection? |
| 03:43.09 | Guerin | nbr: ping google.com |
| 03:43.18 | jetscreamer | ping something... but you need to take it down and back up i 'think' |
| 03:43.37 | aman | rob_lt: It's more specific than just setup. |
| 03:43.37 | jla | MidWay_ as long as your boot drive is the same kind of config, it should work well enough to get stuff from the 'net. If your boot volume is sw raid and is going to be hw raid, well that will be difficult I thnk unless you keep doing sw raid for the boot volume |
| 03:43.49 | nbr | yep, that checks out. |
| 03:43.54 | MidWay_ | Guerin: Hrm. That could work.. |
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| 03:44.15 | nbr | so how do i use this apt thing to install some software (like xwin or blackbox) |
| 03:44.29 | jetscreamer | apt-get update , first |
| 03:44.36 | gravity | nbr: Just run aptitude and read the help |
| 03:44.40 | jetscreamer | then use aptitude or some such |
| 03:44.42 | magyar | when i issue the command "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" i am having some missing "builddependencies" is it possible to auto install the missing packages? |
| 03:44.43 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 03:44.45 | gravity | nbr: You can press ? to get the help |
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| 03:44.50 | indole | I have blacklisted and rebooted; but alsaconf is still unable to find a sound card. |
| 03:44.52 | gravity | nbr: It'll save you a lot of pain |
| 03:45.03 | Guerin | MidWay_: apt-get build-dep packageyouwantbuilddepsfor |
| 03:45.04 | rob_lt | aman: well, state your problem and maybe someone will have a suggestion |
| 03:45.04 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 03:45.04 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 03:45.08 | nbr | how do i stop pinging google? |
| 03:45.13 | Varanger | I am happy!!!! at last Sarge is stable! |
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| 03:45.14 | jetscreamer | ctrl c |
| 03:45.15 | MidWay_ | Boot of deb CD, mount partitions, get a few services up and running, copy across.. fiddle (break) /etc/fstab and grub, recompile the kernel and cross fingers.. :P |
| 03:45.15 | gravity | nbr: ctrl-c |
| 03:45.19 | Guerin | MidWay_: did you read the GODDAMN nm guide yet? |
| 03:45.19 | fatalblu | killall ping |
| 03:45.27 | ethics | indole: modlue blacklisted didnt load did it? |
| 03:45.28 | MidWay_ | NM guide? |
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| 03:45.34 | Guerin | !nm guide |
| 03:45.34 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 03:45.47 | Varanger | what codename will the next release have? |
| 03:45.51 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 03:45.52 | gravity | Varanger: etch |
| 03:45.53 | fatalblu | etch |
| 03:45.55 | rob_lt | etch |
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| 03:45.56 | rob_lt | etch |
| 03:45.57 | aman | Well guys, I have an HP deskjet printer and just got CUPS installed - I went to localhost:631 and added the printer, got hp-ppd, but the test page doesn't print |
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| 03:46.00 | aman | Can anybody advise? |
| 03:46.04 | Xenguy | retch |
| 03:46.05 | fatalblu | itch |
| 03:46.13 | fatalblu | lol |
| 03:46.15 | rob_lt | fetch |
| 03:46.19 | fatalblu | bitch |
| 03:46.22 | Guerin | wretch |
| 03:46.23 | indole | ethics: Doesn't seem to show up in dmesg |
| 03:46.24 | ethics | aman: ask in #cups they may know specifics of printers etc.... |
| 03:46.31 | aman | thank you! :) |
| 03:46.31 | ethics | indole:lsmod? |
| 03:46.34 | fatalblu | ecchi |
| 03:46.49 | indole | ethics: Augh, it's still in lsmod. |
| 03:46.58 | ethics | aman: could just be a4/letter size issues hps are dumb |
| 03:46.59 | aman | ethics: 7 people there hah :) |
| 03:47.11 | nbr | i did 'apt-get update' and nothing seemed to happen. |
| 03:47.13 | aman | ethics: really? It doesn't even show the job being accepted though, which bothers me. |
| 03:47.13 | rob_lt | aman: what model? |
| 03:47.14 | ethics | aman only need 1 to know the answer hehe |
| 03:47.21 | aman | rob_lt: Deskject 932C |
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| 03:47.34 | aman | It has a strange adress too |
| 03:47.43 | aman | Device URI: parallel:/dev/unknown-parallel0 |
| 03:47.45 | ethics | aman: i dont have printers on cups al mine i ftp to or lp to |
| 03:47.45 | nbr | then i did 'apt-get ?' which wasn't a command, then just 'apt-get' and i got a list of things it can do. |
| 03:47.54 | Avantopia | so do I change my /etc/apt/sources.list deb entries to read : 'stable' instead of 'testing main' or is it 'stable main' ? |
| 03:47.57 | pulaski | hello |
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| 03:48.11 | shingouz | aman: /dev/lp0 most of the time if you have a parallel printer |
| 03:48.11 | Guerin | Avantopia: stable main |
| 03:48.15 | Avantopia | Guerin, thx |
| 03:48.16 | ethics | aman: parralel port is caled lp0 |
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| 03:48.23 | aman | ethics: hmm.. how do I fix that? =) |
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| 03:48.58 | shingouz | modify the printer with the webpage is the easiest thing to do |
| 03:49.09 | ethics | aman: no clue...i dont use cups but it sounds like your problem |
| 03:49.18 | aman | shingouz: Yeah, it's giving me this problem via the webpage |
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| 03:49.40 | nvz | man when I changed monitors, and changed my settings, and uped my resolution to 1280x1024 it made my fonts bigger for some reason, and I liked it, as they were easier to read at this res like that. now someone reset my pc and they are tiny as hell in all gtk apps |
| 03:49.42 | ethics | indole, hmm still loading...i was afraid of that....sec ill see if i can find a fix |
| 03:50.00 | shingouz | aman: just pick the printer and tell the system to modify it, make it local on /dev/lp0 and try again |
| 03:50.05 | nbr | how do i configure apt-get? |
| 03:50.10 | nvz | I guess when something happens without configuration, its expected to wear off at any time *shrug* |
| 03:50.12 | pulaski | Sat night I grabbed the single disk netinst for the testing vesion of sarge and got it running last night. Today I just read that Debian has released a stable sarge. Will my testing version automatically update to stable as I regularly "apt-get update"? |
| 03:50.18 | aman | shingouz: I'm sorry - I'm very new to Debian. how would I do that? |
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| 03:50.21 | jetscreamer | wow, sarge is out??? |
| 03:50.38 | shingouz | aman: point your browser to localhost:631 |
| 03:51.00 | pulaski | yes /. has a bit on it and a link to debian-adminstrator.org |
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| 03:51.04 | nbr | the automatic config thing, not the sources.list ? or is there a way to do that after te install? |
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| 03:51.07 | rob_lt | aman: take a look at /etc/cups/printers.conf |
| 03:51.07 | Belboz99 | hey all |
| 03:51.09 | nbr | after THE install. |
| 03:51.14 | Belboz99 | congrats to the dev's |
| 03:51.16 | Belboz99 | :) |
| 03:51.42 | Belboz99 | anyone have a link I can go to to figure out how to upgrade to Sarge? |
| 03:51.47 | aman | shingouz: I'm doing all this through the webpage. |
| 03:51.54 | Belboz99 | I've been googling with little success |
| 03:52.03 | shingouz | aman: the webpage is pretty much self evident really. pick the printer you wan to administer and tell cups you want to modify it |
| 03:52.08 | rob_lt | !tell Belboz99 about woody->sarge |
| 03:52.19 | aman | shingouz: Modifying the printer will allow me to set its location?? |
| 03:52.28 | shingouz | aman: yes |
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| 03:52.32 | nbr | can anyone tell me how to configure apt-get? it doesn't seem to work. |
| 03:52.46 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 03:52.47 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 03:52.47 | rob_lt | nbr: define "doesn't seem to work" |
| 03:52.47 | shingouz | !doesn't work |
| 03:52.52 | REds | Belboz99, ye change your sources to sarge only, then apt-get update and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 03:52.52 | jla | Belboz99 also http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes and wiki.debian.net |
| 03:53.21 | nbr | haha, sorry. i mean that it didn't do anything, just gave me another prompt. |
| 03:53.34 | Belboz99 | ah, thanks REds |
| 03:53.36 | Guerin | nbr: what specific line did you use? |
| 03:53.39 | nbr | i need to get to the menu where you choose the apt sources. can anyone tell me how to call this up? |
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| 03:53.43 | nbr | apt-get update |
| 03:53.48 | Guerin | apt-setup |
| 03:53.49 | magyar | Guerin: where did you found "apt-get build-dep" in "Maintainer's Guide"? |
| 03:53.51 | aman | rob_lt interesting, it let me change the adress - do I just restart cups to allow this changes to take place? |
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| 03:54.09 | REds | Belboz99, ye and hope it works :D properly if u dont have too much stuff installed |
| 03:54.31 | Belboz99 | the problem is that the official guide is down |
| 03:54.41 | Overand | ugh |
| 03:54.43 | Belboz99 | I see that I am supposed to edit Sources.list |
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| 03:54.46 | shingouz | aman: the place rob_lt pointed out is a text file, open with an editor (but make a backup of the file first) |
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| 03:54.48 | rob_lt | aman: I have no idea... I just grepped for the name of my POS usb printer which isn't working, and found that file. I hope you find it useful, but I have not idea if it will do anything. Restarting CUPS is likely a good start though. |
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| 03:54.54 | Belboz99 | but beyond that I'm lost |
| 03:55.06 | Belboz99 | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/releasenotes |
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| 03:55.07 | aman | well restarting didn't do anything. |
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| 03:55.10 | Belboz99 | see? |
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| 03:55.16 | nbr | thanks a lot, whoever told me apt-setup. that worked. |
| 03:55.17 | aman | shingouz: yeah, edited it but it didn't do anything. |
| 03:55.33 | Belboz99 | maybe I'll just wait until directions are available |
| 03:55.39 | shingouz | aman: just go to the webpage and do the config from there, it is pretty much as simple as it can get |
| 03:55.44 | Belboz99 | seems they must still be updating the webpage |
| 03:55.48 | rob_lt | aman: you have parport and parport_pc modules installed? |
| 03:55.48 | aman | shingouz: I've been doing that. |
| 03:55.56 | shingouz | aman: you edited.. i hope you know what you did |
| 03:56.11 | aman | Yes, I did. I'm not new to Linux, just new to Debian. |
| 03:56.19 | FieldySnuts | @aussiesmite aman |
| 03:56.19 | ravenbird | aman: i wouldnt take a back hander for that bush pig bloody mate |
| 03:56.23 | drbrown | has anyone had any luck getting nforce3 drivers to compile with sarge with athlon 64? |
| 03:56.23 | nbr | i looked back, and it was guerin. thanks. |
| 03:56.30 | shingouz | aman: do an lsmod for me, do you see module "lp" there? |
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| 03:56.43 | aman | rob_lt: Yes, parport and parport_pc both are probed |
| 03:56.54 | aman | lol FieldySnuts |
| 03:56.57 | aman | okay. |
| 03:56.57 | Durk | has anyone managed to get sarge to work with a IBM 306 w sata raid 1 ? |
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| 03:57.14 | jla | Belboz99 I lost connection for most of your reply. Where are you stuck? |
| 03:57.15 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: aussiesmite FieldySnuts |
| 03:57.16 | dpkg | FieldySnuts: yee bloody yank |
| 03:57.17 | shingouz | polls.. oh how i like polls |
| 03:57.21 | FieldySnuts | g'nite |
| 03:57.31 | aman | shingouz: Yes, lp is the first one |
| 03:57.44 | Master-Yoda | I am running debian on my dedicated server, i set the domain viperserve.net to go to my ip, in my system can someone help me make ns1 and ns2.viperserve.net become nameservers? |
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| 03:58.01 | Guerin | magyar: come on. Read the fucking documentation to the programs you're using. |
| 03:58.03 | rob_lt | Master-Yoda: look at resolv.conf |
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| 03:58.09 | shingouz | i need to tick off for a few hours |
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| 03:58.15 | cafuego | Master-Yoda: You need to do that at NSI and your registrar. |
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| 03:58.42 | Guerin | magyar: you're 1) not experienced enough to do this without aid and 2) apparently too stupid to read documentation, so I suggest you give up, or pay someone to do it for you. |
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| 03:59.06 | Master-Yoda | nsi? |
| 03:59.19 | aman | :( |
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| 03:59.26 | aman | I might as well install Gentoo again |
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| 03:59.44 | Belboz99 | Okay, let me just get this straight |
| 04:00.00 | Belboz99 | I should change everything that says "stable" to "sarge"? |
| 04:00.08 | Belboz99 | in the Sources.list? |
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| 04:00.27 | Durk | is the net install cd missing some additional kernel modules (like some raid cards etc?) |
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| 04:00.34 | Guerin | Belboz99: no. Sarge == stable |
| 04:00.49 | Belboz99 | okay, then how do I change my sources? |
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| 04:01.00 | Guerin | Belboz99: wjhat you're suggesting is changing all instances of 'six' to 'half a dozen' |
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| 04:01.20 | Durk | ie if i grab the full cds will i have a better chance of getting an install easily ? |
| 04:01.22 | Belboz99 | yeah, that's what I thought to begin with |
| 04:01.27 | Belboz99 | I realize that Sarge is stable |
| 04:01.32 | Durk | or are they both the same boot info, just additional packages missing ? |
| 04:01.32 | Guerin | Belboz99: you just need to do aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 04:01.36 | Belboz99 | I'm just not getting enough info |
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| 04:01.38 | lozmaru|Debian | ta |
| 04:01.44 | Belboz99 | ah |
| 04:01.47 | Belboz99 | okay, thanks |
| 04:01.58 | Belboz99 | someone else here told me I had to change my sources |
| 04:02.11 | Belboz99 | word must not have reached him that Sarge is now stable |
| 04:02.15 | Guerin | Belboz99: if your sources said 'woody', you would have to. |
| 04:02.23 | Guerin | anyhoo |
| 04:02.24 | jla | Belboz99 or they thought you were using testing |
| 04:02.25 | gvandora | I'm having some trouble w/ my USB headset... I can get it running, however I get crackles and pops from it in addition to music |
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| 04:03.34 | id10t | this is sad... the first dvd iso is coming down at 13 *bytes* per second |
| 04:03.45 | id10t | !lart bittorrent |
| 04:03.54 | Belboz99 | hey, I'm getting an error saying "aptitude: command not found" |
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| 04:04.15 | WiFiTux | Belboz99, root? |
| 04:04.21 | Belboz99 | I should be |
| 04:04.25 | Belboz99 | I'll re enter it |
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| 04:04.34 | WiFiTux | whoami |
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| 04:04.51 | jla | Belboz99 apt-get install aptitude |
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| 04:05.14 | kakakakak | alow |
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| 04:05.29 | Falkon | hey, does anyone know of a good X display manager, such as whatever gnome uses that will PROPERLY change my resolution? |
| 04:05.29 | gvandora | bonggnu: you in chile? |
| 04:05.31 | Belboz99 | okay, thanks jla |
| 04:05.39 | Belboz99 | I don't seem to have much on here :( |
| 04:05.42 | indole | ethics: any luck? |
| 04:05.55 | kakakakak | i'm in indonesia |
| 04:05.57 | Belboz99 | not even Samba was installed when I first booted it up |
| 04:06.10 | deadcat | if i want to copy a vcd cd, do i use cdrdao, then cdrecord the data.bin file? |
| 04:06.11 | kakakakak | alow everybody |
| 04:06.19 | Belboz99 | hey |
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| 04:06.28 | kakakakak | how do you do? |
| 04:06.29 | deadcat | kakakakak: gender/age/location |
| 04:06.48 | torgrimt_ | The following packages have been kept back |
| 04:06.55 | Belboz99 | yeah, it's working now |
| 04:06.56 | kakakakak | male/17/indonesia |
| 04:06.56 | torgrimt_ | and a list of like 130 packages |
| 04:06.57 | Belboz99 | :) |
| 04:07.00 | Belboz99 | thanks! |
| 04:07.09 | torgrimt_ | when i upgrade from woody |
| 04:07.20 | Falkon | display manager for X, any takers? |
| 04:07.37 | kakakakak | falkon where you? |
| 04:07.49 | jla | Belboz99 maybe pick some tasks (collections of packages) in aptitude, bottom of the lists |
| 04:07.59 | drbrown | any one had luck w/ nforce3 chipset? |
| 04:08.07 | aman | drbrown: Yeah, I have. |
| 04:08.14 | aman | Accept for parallel port support, so far. |
| 04:08.31 | drbrown | aman: I can't even get the drivers to compile |
| 04:08.41 | gvandora | I'm having some trouble w/ my USB headset... I can get it running, however I get crackles and pops from it in addition to music |
| 04:08.59 | drbrown | aman: i'm not worried about the parrallel port |
| 04:09.08 | Belboz99 | wow, 399 packages to be upgraded, 310 newly installed, 27 removed, 0 not upgraded. Will require 400MB :-O |
| 04:09.17 | torgrimt_ | dosent happen with me;) |
| 04:09.19 | drbrown | aman: need the network card & sound card though |
| 04:09.22 | torgrimt_ | all have been held back |
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| 04:09.37 | Belboz99 | huh |
| 04:09.44 | ethics | ondole: not muich but i got mobbed in real life... |
| 04:09.46 | Belboz99 | that's strange torgrimt |
| 04:09.50 | drbrown | aman: what packages were required to get it to compile? |
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| 04:09.58 | rob_lt | your doing a dist-upgrade, and not just an upgrade? |
| 04:10.01 | gvandora | bonggnu: you in chile? |
| 04:10.05 | Falkon | Belboz99: is aptitude what debian uses to upgrade all the packages? I'm new to debian |
| 04:10.14 | magyar | and it works 2 |
| 04:10.19 | Belboz99 | I'm pretty new too Falkon |
| 04:10.22 | torgrimt_ | Belboz99: yes indeed. i just did apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 04:10.27 | torgrimt_ | as said in docs |
| 04:10.30 | jla | Falkon woody->sarge release notes suggest using aptitude |
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| 04:10.37 | aman | drbrown: Oh, those worked when I compiled the kernel in Gentoo - no work needed. |
| 04:10.38 | Belboz99 | I've only been using Debian a week, though I've used other distros before |
| 04:10.45 | rob_lt | do a dist-upgrade |
| 04:10.51 | ceselb | Anyone else having trouble burning the dvd iso? I've made two coasters now at 2x and 8x. Just says 'Write error' in nero. :( |
| 04:10.54 | rob_lt | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 04:11.28 | drbrown | aman: you aren't using sarge? |
| 04:11.29 | Falkon | jla: I am running sarge. the debian site says the isos are redone every week. so do I use aptitude to upgrade to the next release? |
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| 04:12.04 | Belboz99 | someone should make this info easily available on the web |
| 04:12.04 | Wyzard | Falkon: They're not remade every week now that sarge has been released :-) |
| 04:12.05 | jla | Falkon just make your sources.list say sarge and do normal update. If you were already tracking sarge you shouldn't need to dist-upgrade. |
| 04:12.09 | drbrown | aman: I just got the NIC working using the forcedeath driver, but the sound still illudes me |
| 04:12.22 | aman | The sound driver sounded terrible. |
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| 04:12.23 | Belboz99 | I suppose there is supposed to be some release notes on www.debian.org, but they are down |
| 04:12.29 | aman | Not even worth the effort, IMO. |
| 04:12.38 | bonggnu | gvandora, yes |
| 04:12.38 | aman | It was distorted and full of pops and ticks |
| 04:12.43 | ethics | indole: i think its because of ide-core.... |
| 04:12.48 | jla | Belboz99 The site is working for me. http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
| 04:12.51 | alvanson | anyone know what the new name etch+1 is going to be :P? |
| 04:12.58 | Falkon | aman: what sound driver? is it audio.o, sound.o? |
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| 04:13.28 | Belboz99 | huh, that's odd alvanson, it wasn't working for me about 15 minutes ago, but it is now |
| 04:13.29 | bonggnu | i am running debian unstable, i was using gnome, but i swicth to kde for testing it, but i do not have "buttons" for minimize or close the windows, what are wrong ? |
| 04:13.31 | aman | What? No, the OSS ones for nforce3 |
| 04:13.34 | magyar | Guerin: than again you would think that the braindead "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot" would triger some sort of (apt-get build-dep) |
| 04:13.35 | ethics | ide-core is referencing a viasondcard in lsmod even thout the rest of it is blacklisted ...is there a way to get ide-core to blacklist it too? |
| 04:13.56 | drbrown | aman: do you think I should just use a generic sound card? |
| 04:14.00 | ethics | bonggnu: window behavior? |
| 04:14.06 | drbrown | aman: I am just using it for an asterisk server |
| 04:14.08 | Belboz99 | I've got about 40 minutes left at 145-150Kb/s |
| 04:14.11 | bonggnu | ok, i ll checkt it |
| 04:14.19 | Falkon | aman: try unloading them, unloading audio.o then loading audio.o before your other one |
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| 04:14.53 | Falkon | aman: I just installed my creative Extigy usb sound card, and there were mix ups with exaudio and audio.o |
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| 04:15.35 | gvandora | bonggnu: eres chileno o gringo? |
| 04:16.13 | Falkon | okay, no luck |
| 04:16.14 | Belboz99 | anyone know how running Debian over a netowrk would be with a 10/100 connection? |
| 04:16.25 | magyar | Guerin: on RPM based system I would have to urpmi the dependecies, but come on this is debian... where is the automation? |
| 04:16.28 | FR500 | Belboz99, uh? |
| 04:16.29 | Falkon | Belboz99: what do you mean? |
| 04:16.34 | Belboz99 | I'd like to run it on my main machine, but I'd rather install it to my secondary |
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| 04:16.48 | indole | ethics: ide-core? |
| 04:16.54 | Falkon | Belboz99: works fine for me. linux networks better than windows |
| 04:16.54 | Belboz99 | I don't have any room for srew-ups on my main rig |
| 04:16.55 | nbr | can anyone tell me how to apt-get X? |
| 04:17.03 | indole | AAh, OK. |
| 04:17.05 | Belboz99 | cool Falkon |
| 04:17.05 | nbr | or should it already be installed? |
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| 04:17.07 | ethics | indole blacklist sound also |
| 04:17.09 | gravity | nbr: aptitude install x-window-system |
| 04:17.10 | Falkon | nbr: apt-get x-window-system |
| 04:17.17 | magyar | is Guerin gone? |
| 04:17.19 | Falkon | nbr: apt-get install x-window-system |
| 04:17.19 | drbrown | what's the new testing distro called? |
| 04:17.21 | Falkon | sorry |
| 04:17.26 | ethics | indole im just reading forums for answers and i think im onto the issue |
| 04:17.27 | Belboz99 | Faklkon, do you know of a good guide on how to do it? |
| 04:17.33 | jla | Belboz99 so you want to install on 2nd machine and ssh to it from the main machine or something? |
| 04:17.43 | ethics | drbrown, etch as in etch-e-sketch |
| 04:17.43 | Belboz99 | jla, not ssh |
| 04:17.53 | individuality | bonggnu: check if you have installed the kwin package |
| 04:17.55 | Falkon | Belboz99: are you trying to run your linux computer on a windows type network? where you browse the computers? |
| 04:18.09 | drbrown | sweet |
| 04:18.09 | magyar | esher |
| 04:18.09 | Belboz99 | actually boot the main machine off the second machine's hard drive |
| 04:18.17 | Falkon | wtf |
| 04:18.18 | ethics | indole yeah blacklist sound and via82cxxx_audio also |
| 04:18.19 | rob_lt | we really need to think of a "clever" new name to tell the next 1000 people that ask what the name of the next testing release is. |
| 04:18.40 | Falkon | rob_lt: windows xp |
| 04:18.46 | ethics | indole then reboot lsmod check if they still loaded....i think once those 3 are blacklisted all shoud work |
| 04:18.48 | jla | Belboz99 Oh. Yes, you can netboot and at 100, esp through a switch or direct so you get full duplex it should be fine. |
| 04:18.57 | nbr | sweet, thanks. |
| 04:18.59 | Falkon | Belboz99: i've never done that. |
| 04:19.00 | Belboz99 | cool |
| 04:19.17 | Belboz99 | it'll be over a swith |
| 04:19.20 | Belboz99 | switch |
| 04:19.26 | gvandora | rob_lt: what it the name of the new testing release? |
| 04:19.41 | rob_lt | gvandora: "debian mr potato head" |
| 04:19.42 | ethics | !viasound you may find oss drivers loading before alsa if you have via82cxxx in lsmod.....you need to look at !blacklist and add sound, via82cxxx_audio and via82cxxx to it for alsaconf to be happy... |
| 04:19.49 | Falkon | Belboz99: I've done it with a cisco router, but never an os |
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| 04:19.57 | jla | Belboz99 it's not a simple config/setup though. I've only read about doing it. It's always been easier to just install Debain on all the systems :) |
| 04:20.11 | ethics | bah wrong window |
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| 04:20.35 | gvandora | can you sound gurus help me straighten out a problem with my USB headset? |
| 04:20.54 | indole | Rebooting. |
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| 04:21.06 | deadcat | how do i burn a vcd cd? i tried dd and cdrdao they both suck |
| 04:21.07 | rob_lt | gvandora: try using alsamixer, set "master" to 100%, and then adjust the volume with pcm. |
| 04:21.13 | netstat | just found a cool command all you newbs like me might wanna know... ' du ' |
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| 04:22.56 | jack | hi |
| 04:22.58 | Wyzard | deadcat: dd doesn't burn CDs, and cdrdao is actually pretty good |
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| 04:23.12 | ethics | indole: ok were going to do a really nasty hack i think.... |
| 04:23.13 | deadcat | Wyzard: well. dd wont copy. always fails |
| 04:23.25 | rob_lt | Wyzard: you could try to see if k3b will "just work" for you. |
| 04:23.31 | Wyzard | deadcat: Oh, you're trying to read, not write |
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| 04:23.44 | gvandora | bonggnu: I'm in chile too... I'm studying down here |
| 04:23.45 | deadcat | Wyzard: i tried cdrdao, it created the file i called hello.iso and data.bin, i cdrecord the data.bin file. i can play on linux. but wont see shit on the dvd player. |
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| 04:23.55 | rob_lt | sorry, that was for deadcat |
| 04:24.00 | deadcat | Wyzard: i want to copy to hd then burn it |
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| 04:24.11 | rob_lt | deadcat: try k3b and see if it "just works" |
| 04:24.12 | indole | ethics: no luck; via82cxxx came back. :( |
| 04:24.13 | deadcat | rob_lt: i rather not burn than use k3b |
| 04:24.14 | Natman | how can I do a test upgrade to Sarge? I wanna see what happens with backports without messing up my server. |
| 04:24.14 | simon_ | when upgrading to sarge my apache-perl is broken b/c it can't install libwww-perl as a depend... anybody have this problem/fix? |
| 04:24.19 | jack | my first debian install... i haven't come across idle logout before: my x/gdm-session logs out after a while -- where do i configure it? |
| 04:24.22 | rob_lt | deadcat: fair enough |
| 04:24.25 | ethics | indole i see exactly what the problem is but i dont know if it's solvable a nice way..... first of all do you have discover or discover1 loaded? dpkg -l |grep discover will show you all installed |
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| 04:24.44 | amahbod | I am trying to compress a 9.6GB dvd into a 4.3, and i currently have used vobcopy + decss code to mirror the dvd to my hard drive. What program can i use to shrink the files? |
| 04:24.45 | Wyzard | deadcat: Check the size of your "hello.iso" file... |
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| 04:25.04 | rob_lt | Natman: I think apt has a --dry-run option |
| 04:25.09 | indole | ethics: discover1 is installed. |
| 04:25.11 | Wyzard | amahbod: mencoder, but it's not in the official archive. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:25.11 | ethics | indole: discover is the one installing that crap but it seems the blacklist is not able to target it as its part od ide-core also |
| 04:25.18 | deadcat | Wyzard: its a text file. the data.bin is the bin data file |
| 04:25.29 | pingouin | amahbod: check linuxquestions.org forum, there is a script to do that |
| 04:25.40 | ethics | indole : try apt-get install discover |
| 04:25.47 | amahbod | pingouin, once on there, what should i search for? |
| 04:25.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: As I suspected. You misnamed it, but that's cdrdao's toc-file, which describes the basic layout of the disc |
| 04:25.57 | pingouin | amahbod: dvd |
| 04:26.09 | simon_ | what does it mean when dpkg is getting "Failed Buffer Writes"??? |
| 04:26.28 | Wyzard | deadcat: Rather than using cdrecord to burn the .bin, use cdrdao to burn it, passing it that same toc-file as input |
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| 04:26.34 | Natman | rob_lt: Thanks. But then I have to do "apt-get update" first... but can I un-do the update after? |
| 04:26.47 | deadcat | Wyzard: so what should i do? i did :cdrdao read-cd --device /dev/cdrom hello.iso ; cdrecord dev=/dev/hdc speed=52 -v -eject data.bin |
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| 04:27.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: cdrdao write --device /dev/cdrom hello.iso |
| 04:27.14 | deadcat | Wyzard: ah. mind giving me the syntax for cdrdao? never used it before. thanks. |
| 04:27.18 | gvandora | Ok, no dice on the volume thing... I can't get alsamixer toswitch to the headset... |
| 04:27.19 | Wyzard | deadcat: And in the future, don't give your toc-files ".iso" extensions :-) |
| 04:27.20 | deadcat | Wyzard: let me try again. (= |
| 04:27.24 | gvandora | what'sthe keycommand |
| 04:27.34 | Wyzard | deadcat: cdrdao also has a "copy" command, which does a read followed by a write |
| 04:27.40 | deadcat | Wyzard: just hello? |
| 04:27.42 | indole | ethics: installed. |
| 04:27.56 | Wyzard | deadcat: No, you need to tell it the actual name of the file |
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| 04:27.58 | rob_lt | Natman: I really don't see why not, but that may be something you want to try on a test machine. |
| 04:28.12 | rob_lt | Natman: in fact, give me a second here, and I'll try to go to unstable and back to sarge |
| 04:28.15 | Wyzard | deadcat: But next time you rip a CD with cdrdao, you should choose a name that doesn't end in ".iso", because that file is not an iso |
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| 04:28.17 | deadcat | Wyzard: give me all the commands i need please. i am confused |
| 04:28.31 | deadcat | Wyzard: its just a name. |
| 04:28.44 | Natman | rob_lt: k, thanks. |
| 04:28.59 | Wyzard | deadcat: Yes, it's just a name, but calling it "hello.iso" is like calling a JPEG image "foo.txt" |
| 04:29.08 | amahbod | pingouin, sorry to bother you again, but do you by chance have a link to the file? I tried using the search feature on the forums, but "dvd" is so broad that it is taking forever to search |
| 04:29.13 | tyir | Natman: You can just revert your sources.list, and then a second apt-get update will bring your sources back to woody, I believe |
| 04:29.25 | Wyzard | deadcat: You're less likely to confuse yourself and others if you choose a name that isn't misleading :-) |
| 04:29.34 | Wyzard | deadcat: Anyway, just try burning using cdrdao |
| 04:29.42 | Ugly_Duck | cant work out why aspell wont work in kmail.. its complaining about path configuration etc.. but when i echo my path its correct to find aspell /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games |
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| 04:29.46 | deadcat | Wyzard: ok |
| 04:29.47 | rob_lt | Natman: ok, right now, I changed all my sources from sarge to unstable, and now I'm doing an "apt-get --dry-run dist-upgrade". I'll let you know when it's done. |
| 04:30.08 | jla | I haven't made vcd's in a while. I think I used vcdimager to create the files from mpg streams and cdrdao to burn it. |
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| 04:30.48 | netstat | *** Is it posible to load two modules in the kernel that conflict enough to halt everything>? |
| 04:30.50 | rob_lt | Natman: yep, no problem going back to sarge |
| 04:31.00 | indole | *pulls at hair* |
| 04:31.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: btw, the cdrdao manpage describes the format of that toc-file, if you want to read it and understand what it means |
| 04:31.16 | Natman | rob_lt and tyir: Sweet. Thank you. That saves me from finding out the hard way. |
| 04:31.21 | indole | ethics: via82cxxx still extant. |
| 04:31.43 | deadcat | Wyzard: i just tried the copy --on-the-fly --source-device /dev/cdrom --device /cdrw dont work |
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| 04:31.49 | dob1 | hi |
| 04:32.00 | dob1 | i have problem to run bind9 in chroot after the upgrade to sarge |
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| 04:32.29 | ethics | indole ok this is brutal but under /lib/kernelXXXXXXXX/modules you will find the module |
| 04:32.31 | Wyzard | deadcat: "don't work" is not very descriptive of what went wrong... but burning from a hard drive is generally more reliable than copying on-the-fly, and since you already have the files on your hard drive anyway, please just try that |
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| 04:33.16 | netstat | .. I realize they could, but I only changed my IP settings... somewhere good to compare what to choose and what is needed for what? |
| 04:33.18 | deadcat | Wyzard: oh this sucks big time. |
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| 04:34.28 | Wyzard | deadcat: yes? |
| 04:34.33 | mae | so whats after etch? has the name been decided yet |
| 04:34.34 | dob1 | i put in /etc/default/bind9 on the option -u bind -t /var/lib/named but i get this "couldn't open pid file '/var/run/bind/run/named.pid': No such file or directory" infact it is in /var/lib/named/var/run but seems that it don't look for -t option |
| 04:34.46 | tyir | Natman: I just want to confirm, you want to roll-back the apt-get *update*, not the apt-get dist-upgrade, right? |
| 04:34.49 | deadcat | Wyzard: reading right now. i just called it hello this time. |
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| 04:34.52 | rob_lt | mae, after etch comes Mr Potato Head |
| 04:35.03 | pingouin | amahbod: DVD9 to DVD5 guide |
| 04:35.03 | Natman | tyir: exactly. |
| 04:35.12 | deadcat | Wyzard: its creating a data.bin |
| 04:35.12 | mae | rob_lt: um how will that be on the mirrors? mr_potato_head ?? |
| 04:35.15 | Wyzard | deadcat: Why are you reading the disc again if you already did it earlier? |
| 04:35.21 | rob_lt | mae: yes, I believe so |
| 04:35.22 | amahbod | pingouin, i was looking at that, but it says that it does not preserve the menu |
| 04:35.23 | deadcat | Wyzard: i rm the mofo |
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| 04:35.25 | mae | hehe |
| 04:35.26 | mae | thats great |
| 04:35.34 | mae | no wait |
| 04:35.37 | mae | that was way old school |
| 04:35.42 | mae | potato was already a release |
| 04:35.43 | rob_lt | mae: I'm just fscking with you, I actually have no idea |
| 04:35.44 | tyir | Natman: Ok, cool, rolling back a dist-upgrade is very difficult (impossible?) |
| 04:36.05 | mae | rob_lt: potato was already a way old stable release.. before woody i believe |
| 04:36.12 | mae | potato/woody/sarge/etch |
| 04:36.17 | Natman | tyir: yeah, no doubt. Which is why I wanna know what's ahead before I do it. |
| 04:36.26 | rob_lt | mae: now I have to think up another obscure name :( |
| 04:36.32 | Ugly_Duck | heehe... nice, got it working |
| 04:36.35 | Epod69 | hi, is there a .deb package for mplayer that installs the gui so that you can run gmplayer ? It says on the documentation that enable to run mplayer with a gui you need to ./configure -gui enable for it to work..and I am guessing the .deb package didnt compile it like that because typing gmplayer in the shell after installing it didnt work |
| 04:36.36 | deadcat | mae: if you name them. name them all. not just the 4 you know |
| 04:36.36 | mae | heh |
| 04:36.37 | Wyzard | deadcat: I suggest using "<name of disc>.toc" as the name for that toc-file |
| 04:36.47 | deadcat | Wyzard: ah. dang. |
| 04:36.50 | punsad | mae: I remember running potato... I think sarge is the first desktop ready stable release |
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| 04:36.57 | Wyzard | deadcat: And you can also say "--datafile <name of disc>.bin" to use a name other than "data.bin" |
| 04:37.00 | mae | deadcat: anything before that is too old school for me :) tell me please what are the rest |
| 04:37.12 | Wyzard | deadcat: Don't worry about it for now, though; the name is irrelevant to actually burning stuff |
| 04:37.13 | tyir | Natman: Right... so change to 'sarge', apt-get update and then apt-get -sVu dist-upgrade will be the most imformative |
| 04:37.16 | nbr | which window manager should i choose for a p166 32mb laptop? |
| 04:37.20 | punsad | I remember installing potato with floppies |
| 04:37.21 | deadcat | mae: hell if i care. |
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| 04:37.32 | ethics | indole: you can try renaming the file and see .....you dont need oss at all alsa will correct |
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| 04:37.44 | deadcat | Wyzard: ok i have hello and data.bin, whats next? |
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| 04:37.55 | rob_lt | !tell Epod69 about marillat |
| 04:37.56 | Wyzard | deadcat: Now burn them using "cdrdao write" |
| 04:37.58 | indole | ethics: lib/modules? |
| 04:38.02 | mae | :) |
| 04:38.07 | punsad | it sucked... bad floppies was a constant problem... like bad cds... one nice thing about the sarge installer is that it checks for cd integrity |
| 04:38.11 | mae | oh the 1.4 kernel days.. those were IT i tell you |
| 04:38.14 | Natman | tyir: yup, that's what I'm doing. |
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| 04:38.32 | deadcat | Wyzard: cdrdao write --device /dev/cdrw hello ? |
| 04:38.46 | deadcat | hello is a text file. data.bin is data |
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| 04:38.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: yes |
| 04:38.58 | ethics | indole: /lib/kernel-2.X.X.X/modules/ somewhere under there you will find the module |
| 04:38.58 | deadcat | k |
| 04:39.02 | jla | Natman or use aptitude like the release notes suggest. |
| 04:39.02 | nbr | which window manager do you think i should choose for a p166 32mb laptop? |
| 04:39.14 | davem | nbr: try ion |
| 04:39.17 | Natman | jla: does aptitude have dry-run? |
| 04:39.42 | tyir | nbr: if you want a more 'standard' one, the *boxes would work fine, for example, fluxbox |
| 04:40.06 | tyir | Natman: aptitude -s |
| 04:40.12 | TwistedEmotions | Anyone know how to get k3b to burn movies straight to DVD... or how to take movies and put them in foo.vob and foo.ifo files? |
| 04:40.19 | ethics | nbr:xfce twn/fluxbox/icewm....theya re the lighter ones ive personally had a play with |
| 04:40.19 | deadcat | Wyzard: do i need setuid on cdrdao to burn? |
| 04:40.34 | jla | Natman it has a simulate option |
| 04:40.37 | Wyzard | deadcat: not sure offhand |
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| 04:40.47 | mwilson | TwistedEmotions: Man, you're just determined to be a pirate, aren't you? |
| 04:40.56 | Epod69 | rob_lt, sorry, i dont get what you are saying |
| 04:41.04 | Natman | jla: cool. I'll try that too. Looks like apt-get wants to remove courier... :( |
| 04:41.17 | TwistedEmotions | mwilson: I tried out for the navy and failed... so... had to turn into a pirate.. |
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| 04:41.34 | deadcat | Wyzard: you sure i am not using the data.bin? the hello file just wasted me 3 cds |
| 04:41.36 | nbr | what's the difference between blackbox and fluxbox? |
| 04:41.48 | ethics | TwistedEmotions, k3b gui can do it i think......try new session there were less shortcuts on the screen than in the pulldowns i think |
| 04:41.51 | nbr | (i've used blackbox for windows, so i'm leaning toward bb as the manager) |
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| 04:42.06 | Epod69 | nbr, fluxbox is based on blackbox is has more features.. |
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| 04:42.16 | TwistedEmotions | ethics: kk thanks. |
| 04:42.22 | nbr | ok. |
| 04:42.25 | bruce2005 | hola |
| 04:42.30 | Wyzard | deadcat: If you were burning the toc-file to CD using cdrecord, then sure, that'll result in a useless disc |
| 04:42.36 | Epod69 | with fluxbox you can use icons |
| 04:42.43 | Falkon | does anyone know of a good program that can properly change the resolution in X? sort of like what gnome and kde has |
| 04:42.44 | Wyzard | deadcat: Have you read the cdrdao documentation at all, or actually looked at the contents of that text file? |
| 04:42.51 | deadcat | Wyzard: i am using cdrdao to write |
| 04:42.51 | Dave[PB] | Hey guys... what's the name of the new Testing distro? ;) |
| 04:43.00 | mwilson | Epod69: Uh, since when does fluxcrap support icons? |
| 04:43.11 | deadcat | Wyzard: ya. some of it. |
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| 04:43.20 | Falkon | Dave[PB]: it's Debian volkswagen |
| 04:43.25 | Epod69 | well damnsmall linux has icons |
| 04:43.31 | Wyzard | deadcat: The toc-file tells cdrdao the basic structure of the disc, and tells it where to find the rest of the data... if you look in that "hello" file, you'll see that it contains a reference to data.bin |
| 04:43.33 | tyir | Dave[PB]: etch |
| 04:43.46 | chorizote | i need help with this msg from XFree86.0.log, 'no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:0) found |
| 04:43.50 | Dave[PB] | Etch, huh? Cool |
| 04:43.52 | deadcat | Wyzard: the fucker keeps on reloading the blank cd and tries |
| 04:43.56 | soyuz | good morning peoples |
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| 04:44.11 | Epod69 | i havent used fluxbox be4 but i know damnsmall linux does and i put in the live cd before..looked just like blackbox besides it has some icons |
| 04:44.12 | Falkon | so, any clue on a good utility for changing the resolution, since X can't seem to do it properly by itself? |
| 04:44.13 | rob_lt | Epod69: remove the mplayer you have installed, and add "deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ testing main" to your sources.list file. Then apt-get update and apt-get install mplayer-586. |
| 04:44.15 | soyuz | dondelelcaro you busy at all? |
| 04:44.21 | Wyzard | deadcat: If you burn "hello" using cdrecord, you get a useless CD containing a small text file rather than a filesystem. If you burn it with cdrdao, you get a correct CD containing the data that the file told cdrdao to burn. |
| 04:44.26 | amahbod | pingouin, sadly, that script does not work |
| 04:44.35 | ethics | Dave[PB], etch as in etch-e-sketch..... |
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| 04:44.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: You put in the disc and it ejects it again? |
| 04:45.01 | Wyzard | deadcat: Make sure it's not an already-burned disc |
| 04:45.20 | deadcat | Wyzard: oh now i think its working. after i called it a whore. |
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| 04:46.10 | deadcat | Wyzard: what the f. cdrdao is not using dma? cdrecord does. |
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| 04:47.31 | deadcat | Wyzard: wow. my machine cant move when burning this cd. |
| 04:47.43 | ethics | deadcat: cdrdao = disc at once.....no dma required i dont think...its like streaming data to the buffer |
| 04:48.05 | jla | nbr I use xfce on a 68M PII 5/10mbs scsi system. Works pretty well. Launching Mozilla still takes time ;) |
| 04:48.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: If you specified the burning device as a file ("/dev/cdrw"), that doesn't surprise me... the interface which supports that type of access doesn't support DMA |
| 04:48.11 | deadcat | ethics: so its suppose to lag like hell? single task it becomes |
| 04:48.12 | ethics | deadcat i could be wrong about that but thats how it was explained to me many moons ago |
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| 04:48.32 | Wyzard | deadcat: If you specify the burning device in SCSI notation ("ATAPI:0,0" probably) then it would probably use DMA |
| 04:48.39 | Wyzard | ethics: No, DAO has nothing to do with DMA |
| 04:48.57 | nbr | these are all silly questions, because this is my first night using linux. but once X is installed and i get fluxbox, how do i download firefox? amsn? |
| 04:48.59 | deadcat | Wyzard: ok let me try ATAPI on the 2nd cd |
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| 04:49.22 | Wyzard | deadcat: I don't remember offhand whether cdrdao uses DMA when I burn with it, but my system (Athlon 800MHz, not particularly fast) is not brought to a crawl or anything close to one |
| 04:49.31 | jla | nbr use aptitude or install/use synaptic |
| 04:49.41 | ethics | Wyzard: really cool...well that sorta screws me up......sata writers are gonna suck |
| 04:49.49 | Wyzard | ethics: How so? |
| 04:49.52 | boow | since sarge is stable what about my sources.lst do i change it |
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| 04:50.02 | ethics | wyzard: must have been an analogy he was using rather than principle |
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| 04:50.07 | OverTTY | ok, i've got this issue with 'screen' again |
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| 04:50.10 | OverTTY | i can't re-attatch to it |
| 04:50.20 | OverTTY | it just freezes when i do screen -Dr or -dr |
| 04:50.21 | ethics | wyzard: no dma on sata is there? its not hdparm able |
| 04:50.21 | deadcat | what ever happened to the good old dd days? |
| 04:50.24 | OverTTY | (I can still control-c out of it) |
| 04:50.28 | jla | boow depends on what you were tracking before. |
| 04:50.36 | OverTTY | but the stuff living inside screen is still fine, apparently |
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| 04:50.46 | ethics | wyzard : or is that handled on the controller without iteraction? |
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| 04:50.53 | boow | well all the sources are testing |
| 04:50.54 | Wyzard | ethics: I don't use SATA (yet) so I don't have firsthand experience, but my understanding is that the current SATA support makes the drives appear as SCSI drives |
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| 04:51.07 | jla | boow and you want to be sarge? switch testing to sarge |
| 04:51.09 | Wyzard | ethics: DMA should be enabled automatically, as usual |
| 04:51.10 | da_bon_bon | hi all |
| 04:51.17 | da_bon_bon | yay! released |
| 04:51.28 | Wyzard | ethics: Even my non-SATA drives use DMA without any hdparm trickery |
| 04:51.29 | deadcat | Wyzard: how do i know if its ATAPI:0,0,0 ? |
| 04:51.49 | boow | um ok |
| 04:51.50 | ethics | Wyzard: hmmm ok then i may be offbase a bit...i know smart doesnt work on them yet....hdparm wouldnt allow me to tweak at all...just makes me worry about dma hehe |
| 04:51.50 | OverTTY | I had a disconnect, and now screen won't let me re-attach with screen -Dr or -dr |
| 04:51.51 | Wyzard | deadcat: "cdrecord -scanbus ATAPI:" |
| 04:52.00 | OverTTY | last time this happened, i ended up with a zombie sshd process |
| 04:52.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: If it's an ATAPI drive (i.e. "IDE") and it's the only one, then it's ATAPI:0,0 |
| 04:52.08 | bucky | deadcat, the 2.6 kernel doesn't use that notation |
| 04:52.09 | da_bon_bon | anyone from india here ? i am looking for the <cd,dvd> -- preferably mumbai. |
| 04:52.34 | clueless | I was doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and it chokes on mit-scheme package.... |
| 04:52.38 | zu22 | Sarge is now stable, Etch testing, Sid unstable |
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| 04:53.00 | deadcat | bucky: but Wyzard said if i do cdrdao wont lag the shit out of me |
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| 04:53.18 | da_bon_bon | zu22: sid will always be called sid ? |
| 04:53.19 | Wyzard | bucky: I'm pretty sure that interface is supported... with cdrecord, I can use device paths, but it tells me it's using an ugly poorly-defined interface, or something along those lines |
| 04:53.30 | jla | boow Need something more specific? See http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 04:53.34 | Wyzard | bucky: I don't know the details of ATAPI support, wrt burning, though |
| 04:53.41 | nvz | da_bon_bon: sid is that kid from toy story that breaks things, thats why we call unstable sid. |
| 04:53.48 | amahbod | if anyone has a mac, i am looking for a copy of 0SEx for debian... know where i can find one? |
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| 04:54.02 | boow | well it aint broke so i wont fix it for now |
| 04:54.06 | zu22 | da_bon_bon: yes afaik |
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| 04:54.14 | nvz | wtf is 0SEx |
| 04:54.17 | ethics | da_bon_bon, yeah sid never leaves |
| 04:54.20 | da_bon_bon | nvz: oh.. never seen toy story myself :F |
| 04:54.20 | nvz | sounds like Zero Sex |
| 04:54.26 | bucky | Wyzard, under 2.4 it used dev=ATAPI:bus,drive,lun |
| 04:54.41 | Wyzard | amahbod: I've never heard of OSEx, but a Google search tells me that it's a Mac OSX app... why are you asking about it in #debian? |
| 04:54.51 | deadcat | i am gonna kill the fucker who invented cdrom |
| 04:55.06 | jla | clueless and how does aptitude handle it (release notes suggest using aptitude to upgrade) |
| 04:55.08 | Overand_ | ugh i'm back |
| 04:55.09 | clueless | I was doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and it chokes on mit-scheme package.... I already tried '-f' option but dist-upgrade still choke on mit-scheme package. |
| 04:55.17 | da_bon_bon | ok, Ether_Man_ |
| 04:55.20 | Overand_ | re: ssh/screen issues, i had to kill a previous SSHD process |
| 04:55.22 | da_bon_bon | *ethics |
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| 04:55.35 | amahbod | Wyzard, because i am still at a road block for finding a program that can handle DVD copying (9.6GB real dvd converted to 4.3GB burned dvd) |
| 04:55.35 | da_bon_bon | so.. no one from india ? maybe i will wait for the cds to be distributed |
| 04:55.56 | ethics | da_bon_bon, you want sarge installer? |
| 04:56.00 | boow | steamdvd |
| 04:56.15 | bucky | Wyzard, dev=/dev/xxx works for the 2.6 kernel afaik |
| 04:56.31 | valdyn | clueless: maybe you should have read the release notes.. |
| 04:56.47 | kelan | you know whats fun? upgrading single packages at a time b/c the harddrive is too full to do everything at once, and you need to delete the package cache inbetween upgrades |
| 04:56.50 | deadcat | Wyzard: either way i am lagging like a whore. single task linux box |
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| 04:56.55 | da_bon_bon | ethics: no. my net being slow, i cant download and install off net |
| 04:56.58 | amahbod | boow, were you talking to me? |
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| 04:57.12 | boow | sure |
| 04:57.18 | jla | kelan that sucks. do you have any partitions with more space, like /home? |
| 04:57.24 | imatsu | how to configure bt878 in debian sid? |
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| 04:57.35 | deadcat | imatsu: modprobe bttv |
| 04:57.36 | ethics | da_bon_bon, ahh ic... makes it hard 8( |
| 04:57.41 | boow | google lxdvdrip also |
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| 04:57.53 | da_bon_bon | ethics: i'd say :) |
| 04:58.00 | Wyzard | bucky: It works, but when I do it, cdrecord tells me "open by 'devname' is unintentional and not supported", so I'd been avoiding it |
| 04:58.02 | kelan | jla: no, this is my router. it only has 250mb hd:( with like 40mb free |
| 04:58.04 | ethics | imatsu: bttv driver..... |
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| 04:58.10 | nvz | da_bon_bon: well all debian codenames are toy story characters. Buzz (Buzz Lightyear), Rex (T-Rex), Bo (Little Bo Peep), Hamm (Piggy Bank), Slink (Slinky Dog), Potato (Mr. Potato Head), Woody (The Cowboy), Sarge (Green Plastic Army Man), Etch (Ohio Art Etch-A-Sketch), and Sid (Destructive Kid Next Door) |
| 04:58.10 | clueless | aptitude man page does not have any mention of what dist-upgrade does.... |
| 04:58.15 | jla | kelan double bummer |
| 04:58.21 | bucky | hmm.. |
| 04:58.22 | empty_mind | how can one volunteer for debain |
| 04:58.27 | kelan | yep |
| 04:58.39 | tyir | clueless: look at man apt-get |
| 04:58.40 | EvanCarr2ll | empty_mind: learn something of value. find a way to apply it. |
| 04:58.40 | ethics | imatsu, google for bttv howto |
| 04:58.41 | da_bon_bon | nvz: hey, i have not followed soo many debian releases :) |
| 04:58.45 | jla | kelan you have another debian machine w/ similar arch that you've just upgraded? |
| 04:58.51 | Wyzard | deadcat: I just checked and apparently it's the ATAPI:0,0 interface which doesn't support DMA |
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| 04:59.01 | deadcat | Wyzard: doh. |
| 04:59.01 | nvz | empty_mind: http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ |
| 04:59.03 | valdyn | Wyzard: that is more or less a licensing issue ( Joerg Schilling does not permit removeing these warnings, and he himself in fact does not support it.. ) |
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| 04:59.03 | boow | on latest 2.6 kernels you cant run cdrecord suid |
| 04:59.09 | deadcat | Wyzard: its gonna suck for me then (= |
| 04:59.21 | jla | kelan maybe you could nfsmount /var/cache/apt/archives (I don't know how it will do with locking.) |
| 04:59.25 | imatsu | thankyou |
| 04:59.26 | clueless | tyir : what guarantee is there that aptitude behaves same as apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 04:59.29 | chorizote | i need help with this msg from XFree86.0.log, 'no matching device section for instance (BusID PCI:0:2:0) found, |
| 04:59.36 | nvz | da_bon_bon: well thats all so far.. Buzz, Rex, Bo, Hamm, Slink, Potato, Woody, Sarge, Etch, Sid. |
| 04:59.52 | da_bon_bon | ohok, nvz |
| 04:59.59 | jla | clueless none. aptitude just generally handles dependancies better |
| 05:00.05 | bucky | Wyzard, i just saw this on cdrecord's site: Linux-2.6.8.1 breaks CD/DVD writing for suid root applications |
| 05:00.13 | ethics | imatsu: if you need to install anything try finding it in apt-cache first before compiling.......xawtv is prolly the app to use to view after you get the driver install |
| 05:00.26 | kelan | jla: i've never played around with nfs, so its probably easier at this point to just continue on. i'm about halfway anyway |
| 05:00.28 | valdyn | clueless: aptitude does behave differently |
| 05:00.30 | bucky | that's weird |
| 05:00.41 | Wyzard | bucky: I guess that'd be the "unsettled issues with Linux-2.5 and newer" that cdrecord mentions |
| 05:00.54 | Natman | clueless: none. In fact, I just did a -s with both, and aptitude was better. apt-get wanted to remove courier, aptitude wants to upgrade it. |
| 05:00.54 | deadcat | imatsu: tvtime is nice but now its cpu hog. used to be smooth. or maybe just my machine. |
| 05:01.02 | boow | i not used to using aptitude so i just use synaptic |
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| 05:01.56 | nvz | empty_mind: and you can always hang out here, and be an unsung tech-support hero |
| 05:02.11 | clueless | how do I get rid of mit-scheme package? I dont even use the god damned thing! (I already tried apt-get remove mit-scheme...) |
| 05:02.12 | nvz | like the infamous nvz. |
| 05:02.13 | nvz | heh |
| 05:02.14 | tkiesel | Hi everyone. |
| 05:02.14 | amahbod | boow, lxdvdrip doesnt work; do you know of a binary? |
| 05:02.23 | Wyzard | deadcat: I'm burning a disc right now with cdrdao, using "/dev/hdc" as my device, on five-year-old 800MHz system, and I my CPU is over 90% idle |
| 05:02.32 | Wyzard | deadcat: kernel 2.6.11, FWIW |
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| 05:02.45 | ethics | clueless: dist-upgrade should be near on identical.....installs work differently but dist-upgrade should be identical except for orphans and such being upgraded also |
| 05:02.50 | jmd | Did anyone see this hoax going around claiming that sarge had been released. |
| 05:02.54 | tkiesel | clueless: Tried getting rid of it with dpkg yet? |
| 05:02.56 | Chass | why should i use a debian kernel source over one from kernel.org? i.e., why care about the debian kernel patches? |
| 05:02.59 | boow | well lxdvdrip requires you to install a few progs |
| 05:03.03 | nvz | jmd: /topic |
| 05:03.17 | amahbod | boow, i mean it doesnt compile. |
| 05:03.17 | ethics | jmd: no we just say the new iso....you think its related? |
| 05:03.34 | nvz | jmd: don't speak, without reading the channel /topic |
| 05:03.39 | deadcat | Wyzard: i have 800mhz as well. 2.6.11, cpu is not bad. but the cd drive is dragging it to 100%. i cant move shit. mpg123 is barely playing. |
| 05:03.43 | jmd | nvz: You mean the channel ops are in on the hoax? |
| 05:04.00 | boow | your missing some prog it needs |
| 05:04.00 | nvz | jmd: yeah, and the www.debian.org maintainers and everyone |
| 05:04.01 | deadcat | Wyzard: and cdrw is symlink to hdc |
| 05:04.09 | Wyzard | deadcat: Admittedly, I'm burning at 4x, because that's the fastest this rewritable disc happens to support |
| 05:04.18 | nvz | jmd: the official newsletter www.debian.org/News/2005/20050606 |
| 05:04.19 | ethics | deadcat: same ide as your data? ie prim/slave same controller? |
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| 05:04.26 | nvz | jmd: all that is just to play a trick on you |
| 05:04.27 | Wyzard | deadcat: What speed are you burning at? |
| 05:04.28 | tkiesel | jmd: That joke has been beaten to death and drug all the way around town by now... twenty times. |
| 05:04.35 | amahbod | boow, and idea how to find out what prog? ;) |
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| 05:04.51 | boow | does it configure |
| 05:04.51 | deadcat | Wyzard: 52x |
| 05:04.56 | EvanCarroll | tkiesel: well put |
| 05:05.04 | amahbod | boow, there is no configure file |
| 05:05.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: I guess you'd be more likely to notice a lack of DMA than me :-) |
| 05:05.17 | jmd | anyway, How can I tell when my local mirror has synced stable to sarge? |
| 05:05.23 | amahbod | boow, no it doesnt configure. |
| 05:05.33 | jla | clueless I wouldnt worry about the scheme package until after you upgrade, unless you're crimped on space. Afterwards just fire up aptitude, find the package and remove (-) or purge (_) it. |
| 05:05.42 | boow | well i use on slackware |
| 05:05.46 | deadcat | Wyzard: very likely i guess (= |
| 05:05.49 | nvz | jmd: if you use an official mirror, its been done already |
| 05:06.00 | deadcat | Wyzard: thanks for the help though |
| 05:06.04 | deadcat | working |
| 05:06.06 | ethics | jmd: its done on officials...barring removal of non-free |
| 05:06.11 | Wyzard | deadcat: What does "hdparm -i /dev/hdc" say about the drive's DMA mode? |
| 05:06.11 | ArtVandalae | Okay up until a few hours I had my apt sources.lst set to testing, I changed this to "sarge". Then I try to apt-get update but I get this error: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 05:06.20 | deadcat | Wyzard: its 1 |
| 05:06.21 | clueless | jla : I tried aptitude and it seems to be working so far.... ( I had bad experience with aptitude b4...) |
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| 05:06.42 | boow | check the lxdvdrip site to what progs you need |
| 05:06.46 | jmd | nvz: Hmm. I thought that my local mirror was 'official'. But when I apt-get dist-upgrade my 3 year old woody system it says there's nothing to be upgraded. |
| 05:06.48 | Wyzard | deadcat: Run that command and look for the line that says "DMA modes:" |
| 05:06.50 | EvanCarroll | what are you supposed to use to make debian packages if debmake is deprecated |
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| 05:06.59 | Wyzard | deadcat: Mine says: "DMA modes: sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2" |
| 05:07.08 | deadcat | Wyzard: strange. cd3 is not bad. no lag. maybe it knows its gonna get a workout so it stop bitching. |
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| 05:07.13 | Wyzard | deadcat: The asterisk indicates the currently-active mode |
| 05:07.14 | _joey | how do I upgrade to sarge ? |
| 05:07.16 | nvz | jmd: you have to apt-get update first |
| 05:07.19 | amahbod | What programs do you guys use to copy your movie dvds? |
| 05:07.26 | nvz | _joey: from woody? |
| 05:07.28 | amahbod | (i have run out of ideas) |
| 05:07.28 | jla | clueless everyonce in a while something gets tweaked (like if the process gets killed while downloading sources) on aptitude and I have to fire up dselect to get it fixed. Other than that aptitude works great for me. I like it best. |
| 05:07.30 | jmd | nvz: Yeah. I did that. |
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| 05:07.35 | _joey | nvz from testing |
| 05:07.37 | boow | amahbod: i'll be back |
| 05:07.43 | amahbod | boow, ok. |
| 05:07.52 | nvz | _joey: that would be a downgrade and its not possible |
| 05:08.02 | Whistleboy | has anyone been reporting problems with thunderbird in the last few days? |
| 05:08.11 | deadcat | Wyzard: i have no asterisk. i used -v it shows on |
| 05:08.40 | jla | _joey you were on testing yesterday but meant to be tracking sarge? change sources.list 'testing' to 'sarge' |
| 05:08.44 | nvz | _joey: if you were using "testing" and had not upgraded today, than you are most likely using sarge, and need to change "testing" to "sarge" in your sources list, and update before you upgrade or install anything else |
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| 05:09.00 | _joey | jla maybe to stable ? |
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| 05:09.26 | Wyzard | deadcat: In my experience, that "using_dma" flag does not always necessarily mean the drive is actually using DMA |
| 05:09.28 | jla | _joey sarge and stable both would work. sarge would have worked before and after it was stable. |
| 05:09.40 | _joey | okay |
| 05:09.42 | jla | _joey http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 05:09.51 | deadcat | Wyzard: how do i set? |
| 05:10.02 | tkiesel | I'm jazzed to see all of this positive activity about Sarge. I use one of the Debian-based distros, and it's just nice to see the project getting some recognition. |
| 05:10.13 | Wyzard | deadcat: I'm not an expert on this, but in some testing I did a few years ago, I could turn on "using_dma" with no apparent effect |
| 05:10.32 | Chass | how do i convert an rpm to pkg? |
| 05:10.37 | Wyzard | deadcat: When I enabled the "use DMA by default" option in the kernel, I got the asterisk in the "DMA modes:" line |
| 05:10.49 | _joey | whohoo |
| 05:10.49 | nvz | bottom line, is the codenames are there and linked for people tracking a specific release, and the stable/testing/unstable names are there for people to track a certain phase of development.. I say normal users should use the codenames, developers may want to track by the phase name |
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| 05:10.54 | da_bon_bon | Chass: alien |
| 05:10.55 | _joey | woody is the thing of the past now |
| 05:10.57 | tkiesel | Chass: I've used a package called alien for that. |
| 05:11.03 | Chass | da_bon_bon, tkiesel, thanks |
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| 05:11.14 | da_bon_bon | np, Chass |
| 05:11.17 | tkiesel | No problem. :) |
| 05:11.48 | Wyzard | deadcat: It might be an issue specific to your particular motherboard and IDE controller, or something |
| 05:11.55 | nvz | woody is just an outdated stable, that will maintain security updates for some time, before it becomes obsolete |
| 05:12.24 | amahbod | does anyone know of a way to make a copy of a movie dvd without resorting to installing Microsoft Windows and using DVDXCopy. (i have been at this for 12 hours and am about to do a dual boot just to burn this crappy dvd) |
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| 05:12.49 | deadcat | Wyzard: which mode is better? |
| 05:13.00 | ethics | nvz: for some time.......how do you figure that? |
| 05:13.11 | xtension | !light blue access cleared |
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| 05:13.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: I'm not sure what you mean... DMA mode is preferable, of course, but you already know that |
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| 05:14.05 | Wyzard | deadcat: Of the modes listed on that line, the ones to the right are the faster ones |
| 05:14.37 | nvz | ethics: thats just the way it works. when a new stable distro is released the old stable is still provided security fixes for about a year so everyone has time to upgrade |
| 05:14.55 | deadcat | Wyzard: theres sdma0 1 2 mdma0 1 2 |
| 05:14.55 | deadcat | k |
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| 05:15.06 | Wyzard | amahbod: I don't really have any need for copying DVDs, so I don't do it and don't have any expertise in how to do it... most others here are probably the same |
| 05:15.24 | Ugly_Duck | on a freshly installed system, there is no .config to open when building a kernel right? or is there? |
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| 05:15.35 | amahbod | Wyzard, sigh. it was a last ditch attempt |
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| 05:15.42 | nbr | hm, i've installed X, and when i try to open xdm, my monitor does some really scary blinky lines across the screen for a while, then stops. |
| 05:15.42 | amahbod | Wyzard, off to windows i go :( |
| 05:15.48 | bucky | Ugly_Duck, yes there is in /boot |
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| 05:15.58 | nbr | does anyone know how i can fix this? |
| 05:15.59 | Ugly_Duck | bucky: ahh.. okies, cheers |
| 05:16.05 | nvz | Ugly_Duck: if you are say running a 2.4 kernel and compiling a 2.4 kernel you could copy one from /boot |
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| 05:16.19 | trave11er | amahbod: mencoder can make a divx out of it for you |
| 05:16.19 | Wyzard | amahbod: I've done some DVD work in the past (fixing an anime DVD to get rid of pulldown artifacts), and I used Windows for that, but it was a pretty detailed process involving VirtualDub and AVIsynth, not a point-and-click "pirate my movie" tool |
| 05:16.24 | nvz | Ugly_Duck: however if you are running a different major version than you are compiling its not safe to use |
| 05:16.29 | ethics | nvz: id expect that to change with the new upgrade paths being so easy.....just wondering if there was anything in the announcments about it |
| 05:16.33 | boow | for lxdvdrip i think you need libdvdread libdvdcss |
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| 05:16.42 | trave11er | amahbod: don't know about a one-to-one copying though |
| 05:16.43 | amahbod | trave11er, i wanted dvd menus |
| 05:16.43 | fusion | Hmm, I get 404's while trying to apt-get update - should I replace "testing" with "sarge" for security updates to fix it or...? |
| 05:16.47 | mae | amahbod: dont give up! |
| 05:16.52 | amahbod | mae, i give up |
| 05:17.00 | Wyzard | fusion: Replace "testing" with "stable" |
| 05:17.02 | mae | amahbod: you'll be back :) |
| 05:17.05 | Ugly_Duck | nvz: its a 2.6.6 i think.. to 2.6.8 |
| 05:17.06 | nvz | ethics: who knows.. I've been travelling the past few years.. I havent been online much.. |
| 05:17.06 | EvanCarroll | what do i send to dpatch to make it to its magic the man pages on it suck |
| 05:17.10 | jla | fusion and use aptitude |
| 05:17.12 | xtension | can droids be reinstalled with debian ? |
| 05:17.16 | straw | does anyone know if the netinst installer can use a pppoe connection? |
| 05:17.18 | Ugly_Duck | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.22 | fusion | Wyzard and if I wanted to continue with testing, can I do that? |
| 05:17.28 | Wyzard | straw: I'd be surprised if it couldn't |
| 05:17.38 | Wyzard | fusion: Not with security upgrades, you can't |
| 05:17.39 | amahbod | Wyzard, sadly, dvdxcopy actually does do it for windows, but wine cannot run it. i have been trying many many applications for linux, but all of them just convert from DVD -> codec (ie xvid divx) |
| 05:17.43 | boow | you might need ffmpeg too lxdvdrip makes you install sevral programs |
| 05:17.44 | ethics | amahbod : this is a reprintfrom today ::::: kmenc15 is a gui for it.... |
| 05:17.46 | jla | fusion you should be able to, I haven't 'tested' that :) |
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| 05:17.51 | nvz | Ugly_Duck: should be able to cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/.config, or something |
| 05:17.55 | Wyzard | fusion: The only reason testing had security support was in preparation for the release, when it would transition to stable |
| 05:17.56 | fusion | oOk thanks all |
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| 05:18.03 | fusion | Ahh |
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| 05:18.12 | straw | Wyzard: i'll be finding out soon ehough |
| 05:18.21 | Ugly_Duck | nvz: yup, done; cheers.. gonna go build it now.. hehehe |
| 05:18.25 | trave11er | straw: i don't think it is supported _during_ the installation, but after you installed the base system, you should be able to configure it |
| 05:18.38 | trave11er | to install the rest |
| 05:18.46 | straw | right, ok |
| 05:19.06 | amahbod | ethics, but it outputs an avi file |
| 05:19.20 | ethics | amahbod.....so.... |
| 05:19.42 | tkiesel | I must say that everyone here's been nicer than what I was led to believe on certain overrated news websites. |
| 05:19.54 | amahbod | ethics, i want a DVD shrinking program that reduces the quality of my video or perhaps removes audio tracks to shrink the VOBS to a smaller size |
| 05:19.57 | ethics | amahbod: its video...i can put .mpg on it and it still plays if its mpeg... |
| 05:20.08 | jmd | Why is there no #debian-friendly anymore? Been deprecated? |
| 05:20.13 | boow | amahbod, more info http://openfacts.berlios.de/index-en.phtml?title=lxdvdrip |
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| 05:20.18 | Wyzard | tkiesel: Not everyone in #debian is nasty... just a noticeable few who don't seem to be here right now |
| 05:20.18 | tkiesel | lol |
| 05:20.25 | ethics | vob = mpeg2......rename .avi to .vob and try playing.......its just an extension |
| 05:20.34 | amahbod | ethics, but it doesnt have the dvd menus or the ability to play on a dvd player (dont want to do computer playback or VCD/SVCD playback) |
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| 05:20.44 | tkiesel | Wyzard: Well, people are people. Some good, some great, some jerks. |
| 05:20.55 | nvz | Ugly_Duck: I havent looked at kernel source lately.. but I notice 2.6.8 is what sarge released with.. I wonder why people are building 2.6.8 when its months old, then I look at kernel.org and see that current it 2.6.11.11 and figure that if I looked hard enough I would notice that the .11.11 is a sign of a lot of fuckups latley |
| 05:21.03 | Wyzard | ethics: That won't work. An AVI file is not a valid MPEG-2 Program Stream |
| 05:21.20 | amahbod | boow, i downloaded the 1.46 source but it doesnt work; compiling errors |
| 05:21.26 | ethics | amahbod: i will play on dvds....menus i dont think can be ripped ... |
| 05:21.27 | TimeKilla | hey guys. I'm new to linux and have read a lot, and have an infinite amount of stuff to read and do now.. Just wondering how i can close gnome down completely? (1st of 2 questions i got atm) |
| 05:21.28 | dabreegster | I know this if off-topic, but can anybody recommend a free web host with perl/cgi and a mysql database? Preferably no ads, or text ads, or ads that don't get in your bloody way. |
| 05:21.38 | amahbod | ethics, on macs and windows they can be. |
| 05:22.02 | Wyzard | ethics: AVI is a container format... it can *contain* an MPEG stream, but it has extra header data besides, and it can also contain video in other formats which have nothing to do with MPEG. |
| 05:22.02 | naoliv | Do this "Mozilla Bioinformatics Extensions Maintainers" makes sense? Or it's better " Maintainers of Mozilla Bioinformatics Extensions"? I just want that someone that speaks English sees if this phrase is OK, please. |
| 05:22.03 | amahbod | ethics, my friend has osX and he just handed me a shrunken version of finding nemo; recompressed to 4.3gb |
| 05:22.23 | tkiesel | Hi Timekilla. Welcome to GNU/Linux territory. Glad to have you on board. :) |
| 05:22.30 | Wyzard | dabreegster: Not free, but http://www.2wdh.com/ is $2/month if you sign up for a whole year, and they have good support |
| 05:22.33 | sep | morning all |
| 05:22.38 | sep | good topic :) |
| 05:22.46 | amahbod | it cant be that i am the first person to deal with this problem |
| 05:22.52 | amahbod | nemo, is burned. |
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| 05:22.58 | dabreegster | Wyzard: The actual money isn't really an issue, it's more like the pain of sending them money. But thanks |
| 05:23.00 | ethics | amahbod: yeah but were the menus shrunk or just decss 9s...im not sure on that...they may but i dont remember having options in dvdshrik on menus |
| 05:23.07 | xtension | TimeKilla read a lot |
| 05:23.07 | nemo | amahbod: I don't like being shrunken ;P |
| 05:23.14 | nvz | TimeKilla: well if you are using Gnome Display Manager and want to close your whole X session you could use /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 05:23.24 | tkiesel | TimeKilla: I always use Ctrl+Alt+Backspace to shut Gnome (but only Gnome) down. |
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| 05:23.32 | Wyzard | dabreegster: I just use my credit card... not very difficult |
| 05:23.33 | amahbod | ethics, decss'd and the video and audio lost a tad of quality, but other than that it was all the same. |
| 05:23.35 | TimeKilla | thanx, just wondering how i can shutdown gnome to return to the command line. Basically what i need to do is get more options for my gnome desktop resolution. Its not allowing me to choose so i'm guessing i need to reconfigure xwindows to have a higher resolution to unlock the ones in gnome.. (maybe i'm wrong.. still learning) |
| 05:23.45 | ethics | amahbod: just on a side note...sg-1 dvds a 9 gig in size but theres 2 copies of each episode on them identical just to piss of the 4.5 burner people |
| 05:23.48 | amahbod | ethics, and it was a 1 touch burn. just pop the dvd in and it auto rips and encodes |
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| 05:23.52 | nvz | TimeKilla: not sure if thats what you mean *shrug* the key combo tkiesel suggested will kill the server, and if GDM is running it will restart it and take you back to the login |
| 05:23.54 | dabreegster | Wyzard: I'm a kid. And I certainly can't give out any information like that online. |
| 05:24.00 | xtension | TimeKilla ctrl-alt-F1 ? |
| 05:24.14 | ethics | amahbod: so ask him what hes running...... |
| 05:24.15 | TimeKilla | i'll try |
| 05:24.22 | amahbod | ethics, osX |
| 05:24.34 | Wyzard | dabreegster: Then get your parents to do it. It'll take them a few minutes once per year, and you just hand them $24 in cash or something. |
| 05:24.35 | TimeKilla | ctrl alt f1 worked |
| 05:24.35 | xtension | TimeKilla get s into console |
| 05:24.37 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 05:24.44 | kevix | amahbod, I used the google and it said: http://cantor.ee.ucla.edu/~jsab/documents/dvd_authoring.html |
| 05:24.46 | tkiesel | :) |
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| 05:24.47 | scorpix | will etch get a security updates? |
| 05:24.57 | nvz | TimeKilla: use Ctrl+Alt+F1 to access the Console on TTY1, and login as root, stop the server /etc/init.d/gdm stop, then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:25.01 | xtension | TimeKilla f1 to f6 gives you 6 default consoles |
| 05:25.07 | Wyzard | scorpix: When it's released, sure, but it's nowhere near release yet |
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| 05:25.08 | nvz | TimeKilla: then start gdm back up when you are done |
| 05:25.09 | TimeKilla | thanx so much guys |
| 05:25.13 | TimeKilla | i'll try that now |
| 05:25.17 | trave11er | scorpix: in 28 years, when it's released, yes =) |
| 05:25.19 | xtension | TimeKilla alt-f1 now |
| 05:25.24 | tkiesel | Good luck, TimeKilla. |
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| 05:25.26 | scorpix | Wyzard: i mean before it get stable. |
| 05:25.30 | amahbod | kevix, that doesnt apply, and is irrelevant. thanks anyways. |
| 05:25.32 | dabreegster | Wyzard: heh. My parents don't like buying anything using any method online. And I don't really blame them. And mailing a check takes time. So I'm searching for a free host. ^_^ |
| 05:25.43 | amahbod | kevix, :( |
| 05:25.47 | monsoon-sc | is the netinstall iso enough to install a base system where Ill be able to install ndiswrapper? |
| 05:25.49 | ethics | amahbod: thats an OS not the proggy....if it's available free then you could prolly use it...macs still talk ide |
| 05:25.57 | boow | i use alot of progs to author dvds there's really no one click solution in linux |
| 05:25.59 | Wyzard | scorpix: Only stable releases have security support |
| 05:26.14 | amahbod | ethics, no, he runs the program 0SEx on Mac OS X. |
| 05:26.33 | nvz | monsoon-sc: depends. some netinstall ISO do not have base.. they usually weigh about ~30mb or less, the slightly heftier ~110mb ones usually contain a base system |
| 05:26.47 | amahbod | ethics, and i already looked into finding the source, but to no avail. |
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| 05:26.56 | monsoon-sc | nvz, ok the one I want to use is 128mb |
| 05:26.57 | nvz | monsoon-sc: some are designed to install base then netinstall, others are so light they have to d/l the base system as well |
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| 05:27.07 | amahbod | ethics, so is there anything left that i have not tried? |
| 05:27.09 | kevix | amahbod, why is it irrelevant? |
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| 05:27.15 | Wyzard | dabreegster: I've had no problems buying things online... as long as you make sure that you're dealing with a reputable site and that your browser is using a secure connection, it's not really any more risky than using a credit card in a brick-and-mortar store |
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| 05:27.50 | amahbod | kevix, because i am asking how to reencode a movie and burn it, not just burn a dvd. |
| 05:28.02 | nvz | my grandmother thinks her firewall keeps her safe online with her credit card |
| 05:28.05 | dabreegster | Wyzard: True. I don't really have an excuse, it's my parent's rule. Doesn't bother me; I'll find something eventually |
| 05:28.20 | dabreegster | Hah |
| 05:28.26 | ethics | amahbod: if you want a suggestion as to where to ask for better specific knowledge on ripping id be looking at mplayerhq or mythtv-users channels.....thats probably a good start if you have the apps but cant work out how.. |
| 05:28.28 | Wyzard | dabreegster: Good luck finding a decent free host |
| 05:28.28 | boow | avidemux2 |
| 05:28.30 | amahbod | nvz, but it's a wall of fire... what are the people going to do, run through it? :) |
| 05:28.34 | nvz | in reality all her firewall does, is keep my cousin from being able send live video feed of the baby to her |
| 05:28.39 | dabreegster | Wyzard: it's possible. |
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| 05:29.07 | nvz | a firewall is useless in the hands of someone who doesnt know how to configure and audit the policy |
| 05:29.12 | amahbod | ethics, ok! thanks. i think i will just end up installing windows though because it doesn't seem that the app support exists on linux |
| 05:29.15 | amahbod | :( |
| 05:29.19 | jla | nvz and possibly reduce some winpopups :) |
| 05:29.37 | Wyzard | nvz: Not quite useless; I'll bet it protects her from worms too |
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| 05:29.47 | boow | avidemux2 will encode avi's to mpeg2 but you need all its dependancies installed |
| 05:29.58 | tkiesel | nvz: Marginally useful? Yes. Useless? Hardly. |
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| 05:30.09 | ethics | amahbod: linux can do it for sure.....windows appsa re going to get harder to find for this stuff....sony in particular are really pissed about it atm |
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| 05:30.49 | amahbod | ethics, i have the apps. just dled it on a torrent |
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| 05:30.54 | ethics | amahbod: and technically what you want to do is illegal in the EU/US i think |
| 05:31.02 | amahbod | ethics, i am aware of that. |
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| 05:31.10 | Wyzard | ethics: legal/illegal != right/wrong |
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| 05:31.20 | amahbod | ^ what he said |
| 05:31.26 | TimeKilla | ok i reconfigured my x windows , how do i get back into gnome without rebooting the system? |
| 05:31.26 | ethics | Wyzard: yeah but morals and law never match....... |
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| 05:31.37 | boow | he just wants to back up dvd's he already owns :) |
| 05:31.44 | amahbod | ^ that too. |
| 05:31.46 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 05:31.49 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 05:31.55 | amahbod | i am legit guys ;) |
| 05:31.57 | deadcat | cdrdao doesnt say how fast its burning at. |
| 05:31.57 | amahbod | i swear |
| 05:31.59 | fusion | I backed up all my DVDs |
| 05:32.08 | ethics | boow: not the point...he wants to circumvent and digitally remaster someone elses product ....and into an inferior product |
| 05:32.09 | amahbod | fusion, to divx? or to other dvds |
| 05:32.19 | fusion | because I've had bad experiences with people "just borrowing" them without asking and returning them all scratched to crap |
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| 05:32.24 | fusion | amahbod just raw DVD files |
| 05:32.26 | fusion | vobs and such |
| 05:32.40 | Wyzard | ethics: Circumventing a product? |
| 05:32.40 | deadcat | fusion: haha. i hear you man. "where my shits at?" |
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| 05:32.48 | fusion | exactly :/ |
| 05:32.53 | amahbod | fusion, do you reencode them? |
| 05:32.54 | ethics | boow: i do the same things im not being high and mighty im just stating where we breach things |
| 05:33.12 | amahbod | i too have had DVDs stolen from me (college dorm room :( ) |
| 05:33.17 | amahbod | about 200$ worth |
| 05:33.21 | ethics | Wyzard: circumventing the security of the product |
| 05:33.27 | boow | well you dont come right out and say that |
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| 05:33.30 | fusion | amahbod I just use dvdbackup and libdvdcss2 |
| 05:33.33 | amahbod | ethics, i like your sn. |
| 05:33.33 | TimeKilla | wyzard i do not have a gdm directory ? |
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| 05:33.53 | fusion | It'll let you stick it back to a DVD if you must |
| 05:33.55 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Maybe you're not using GDM then... do you normally get a login screen when you boot your computer? |
| 05:33.58 | amahbod | fusion, dvdbackup reencodes them as well? |
| 05:34.06 | fusion | Don't think so |
| 05:34.09 | fusion | just "rips" |
| 05:34.10 | TimeKilla | Yes I did today after installing gnome |
| 05:34.14 | amahbod | fusion, :( |
| 05:34.16 | fusion | decodes |
| 05:34.26 | amahbod | fusion, i tried the other one, vobcopy |
| 05:34.34 | amahbod | fusion, same thing --- no shrinking |
| 05:34.34 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Well, that was probably GDM... and you say /etc/init.d/gdm doesn't exist? |
| 05:34.41 | TimeKilla | correct |
| 05:34.44 | fusion | yeah.. I didnt want shrinking :) |
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| 05:34.49 | TimeKilla | i'm looking in init.d right now |
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| 05:34.51 | TimeKilla | no gdm |
| 05:34.55 | jmd | Can anyone tell me why apt-get, aptitude etc keeps on insisting that my woody machine is already installed with sarge? |
| 05:34.58 | bucky | xdm ? |
| 05:34.59 | sep | TimeKilla: do you have xdm perhaps ? |
| 05:34.59 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: kdm or xdm? |
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| 05:35.05 | TimeKilla | yes lol |
| 05:35.09 | TimeKilla | i'll try that |
| 05:35.11 | boow | amahbod, a good sight for dvdbackup www.doom9.net goto forums look under linux |
| 05:35.13 | amahbod | fusion, but if you do lose the dvd, how are you going to re-burn it? you have a dual layer burner with 9.6 gig dvds? |
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| 05:35.16 | bucky | i sunk your battleship |
| 05:35.17 | amahbod | boow, been there. |
| 05:35.22 | boow | ok |
| 05:35.24 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: You might want to replace xdm with gdm... it's much nicer |
| 05:35.26 | jla | jmd what were your sources before, what are they now (the distribution field) |
| 05:35.28 | ethics | jmd: sarge in the sources? |
| 05:35.29 | amahbod | boow, tried every program on their list of recommendeds |
| 05:35.38 | amahbod | boow, none of them did what i wanted |
| 05:35.49 | TimeKilla | i will try when i understand what it is ... lol |
| 05:35.52 | amahbod | boow, they all just can rip to a codec |
| 05:36.02 | TimeKilla | I"m in my 23rd hour of a crashcourse on linux |
| 05:36.13 | amahbod | TimeKilla, nice! |
| 05:36.13 | mith | TimeKilla: go to sleep |
| 05:36.15 | jmd | jla: They were and still are: deb http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian stable main |
| 05:36.19 | amahbod | mith, lol. |
| 05:36.20 | fusion | amahbod, I have a single layer DVD burner |
| 05:36.21 | Wyzard | hmm... I ought to backup my DVDs too, sometime when I get around to it |
| 05:36.25 | Wyzard | Just to hard drive, no need to burn for now |
| 05:36.26 | sep | TimeKilla: xdm/kdm/gmd is the place you enter your login and password when you boot your computer replace with gdm with apt-get install gdm |
| 05:36.30 | mith | TimeKilla: or get a life, whiche ever you can do quicker |
| 05:36.30 | jmd | plus security.debian.org |
| 05:36.33 | TimeKilla | how would i execute xdm.. ? |
| 05:36.36 | fusion | amahbod but I can "shrink" the VOBs using something on my windows laptop |
| 05:36.37 | amahbod | fusion, so when the time comes, you will not be able to burn those dvd images |
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| 05:36.44 | fusion | Yes I will |
| 05:36.45 | jla | jmd aptitude dist-upgrade does nothing? |
| 05:36.47 | amahbod | fusion, exactly. there is no linux app to do it |
| 05:36.48 | fusion | I just remove the special features |
| 05:36.57 | fusion | I'm sure there is |
| 05:36.59 | sep | TimeKilla: /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 05:37.00 | fusion | I just havent looked for one |
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| 05:37.08 | amahbod | fusion, trust me, there isnt. |
| 05:37.11 | TimeKilla | Mith: i gotta learn this... i've had enough of fixing my buddies windows systems.. if i only use linux, i can tell them to take off (i won't support it anymore) |
| 05:37.12 | ethics | Wyzard: well depending on what quality is required my dvds range from 56MB-2Gb in divx for full movies.....low motion much smaller |
| 05:37.13 | jmd | It says : 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 05:37.13 | amahbod | fusion, i tried 40 apps today. |
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| 05:37.36 | nbr | is there any way i can collect information about my display adapter/monitor using commands? |
| 05:37.37 | Wyzard | ethics: I don't mean divx... I mean a complete iso backup of the disc, sans CSS encryption |
| 05:37.37 | jla | jmd aptitude update first - did it download a new set of sources? |
| 05:37.39 | tkiesel | TimeKilla: Get them to use Linux too. ;) |
| 05:37.39 | boow | steamdvd might do what you want |
| 05:37.45 | fusion | amahbod, that sucks...write one! :P |
| 05:37.46 | nvz | personally I dont know what all teh new firewalls on winders are capable of.. but if a plain firewall asks the user if IE should always be allowed to blah blah blah, and they say yes, then anything that can come through that port can fuck them through any hole in IE |
| 05:37.52 | Wyzard | ethics: And yes, I know that means lots of disk space |
| 05:37.53 | nbr | i'm having trouble setting up xfree86 for my thinkpad. |
| 05:37.54 | TimeKilla | tkiesel thats the plan |
| 05:37.55 | amahbod | boow, do you have a link? |
| 05:37.58 | ethics | jmd : change stable to sarge in your sources list |
| 05:37.59 | jm_ | nbr: tried read-edid? |
| 05:38.07 | TimeKilla | Once i can support debian, i'll convert my friends and family over. |
| 05:38.08 | tkiesel | My wife tried to switch this weekend, but issues with Photoshop in Wine are keeping her on Windows for now. D`oh. |
| 05:38.08 | nbr | what's that? |
| 05:38.13 | nbr | is it a command? |
| 05:38.25 | kevix | Wyzard, dd if=/dev/dvd of=mydvd.iso |
| 05:38.26 | jmd | ethics: Why? I always want to have the latest version of stable. |
| 05:38.36 | boow | http://www.badabum.de/streamdvd.html |
| 05:38.37 | ethics | Wyzard: np ...i have 2.4 terabytes in mine... |
| 05:38.41 | Wyzard | kevix: CSS... |
| 05:38.46 | sep | nvz: and the latest and greatest trojans come will upnp support to bypass your firewall anyway :) |
| 05:38.52 | ethics | jmd: which for the next XXX years is sarge... |
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| 05:39.08 | Wyzard | kevix: Impressive... I'm hoping to build a 1TB RAID-5 next time I build a computer, but 2.4TB? |
| 05:39.13 | jmd | jla: Yes. aptitude upgrade gets new releases/packages |
| 05:39.28 | jla | nvz yes, trash can still come through active-xwillhozeyou, but they can't connect from the outside & local programs can't get tcp access (with "software/personal" firewalls) that said, I find personal firewall software the bane of tech support. |
| 05:39.39 | TimeKilla | Ok guys, i'm trying to get my gnome to run now that i've re configured it. But I don't know how. I got xdm and i'm at a command line prompt. What command(s) will get me back to test out my new xwindows configuration? |
| 05:39.54 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: /etc/init.d/xdm start |
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| 05:39.58 | fusion | "..You are receiving this email notification because... |
| 05:39.58 | fusion | -> MICROSOFT SENDS ILLEGAL UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL SPAM <- |
| 05:40.12 | sep | TimeKilla: you can startx manually only to test, or /etc/init.d/xdm restart to restart xdm |
| 05:40.12 | baegle | how do I change my kernel version number after it's already been compiled? |
| 05:40.12 | deadcat | can i use cdrdao to burn the woody .iso? |
| 05:40.14 | Dashiva | TimeKilla, you might also try installing gdm, it's the gnome login manager |
| 05:40.16 | fusion | People are trying to sue Microsoft for sending newsletters LOL |
| 05:40.21 | jla | jmd but an immediate dist-upgrade doesn't do anything? interesting. What version of perl do you have installed (just some random package) |
| 05:40.36 | Wyzard | deadcat: Sure; you just need to write a toc-file for it |
| 05:40.40 | jmd | ethics: I've been assured that releases are going to happen a lot faster from now on. and I want to make sure I don't miss a stable release. |
| 05:40.53 | boow | xdm is ugly |
| 05:40.54 | deadcat | Wyzard: damn. that sucks (= |
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| 05:40.56 | jmd | jla: This is perl, v5.6.1 built for i386-linux |
| 05:40.58 | karlfr | nvz, if you run a filtering HTTP proxy like Privoxy, you can filter out a lot of crap upstream from IE. |
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| 05:41.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: Not really... it's a 3-line text file. |
| 05:41.11 | ethics | jmd: who assured you because he has over 1000 other people to argue with |
| 05:41.21 | Wyzard | deadcat: I'll bet you still haven't read the cdrdao manpage. :-) |
| 05:41.38 | amahbod | anyways guys, i'm off. thanks for the help; hope someone finds the real answer to this problem |
| 05:41.44 | deadcat | Wyzard: (=.. told you.. some |
| 05:41.50 | jla | jmd fire up aptitude and press u, then look ath the version it says is available for perl |
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| 05:42.00 | nvz | karlfr: my philosophy about it is not to use windows, and don't do anything outlined in my "Dumb shit you should never do on interconnected networks" policy. |
| 05:42.08 | boow | i have no probs with dvdbackup on linux |
| 05:42.15 | jmd | ethics: Anyway that's rather immaterial. Surely if my sources.list points to stable, I should always get the latest stable release. |
| 05:42.21 | fusion | neither |
| 05:42.34 | nbr | has anyone dealt with configuring a trackpoint mouse? |
| 05:42.35 | Wyzard | deadcat: On 3 separate lines: CD_ROM ... TRACK MODE1 ... DATAFILE "woody.iso" |
| 05:42.44 | ethics | jmd: yeah but you werent getting the right stable were you? |
| 05:42.56 | deadcat | Wyzard: i'll just stick with cdrecord on regular real iso files then. |
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| 05:43.05 | jla | jmd it seems like it's not downloading new sources or something. You caching? Using some odd mirror? |
| 05:43.07 | boow | woody 2.2 kernel |
| 05:43.13 | Wyzard | deadcat: Regular real iso files? |
| 05:43.16 | jmd | jla: Er I've hit 'u' I can't see anything about perl. |
| 05:43.21 | Wyzard | deadcat: cdrdao is reading the same iso file that cdrecord does |
| 05:43.29 | TimeKilla | hehe i just halted the system to reboot. I'll get around to learning more in a bit. I really want to see if my config changes to display settings in xwindows effects the options i have for resolution in gnome. |
| 05:43.37 | jla | jmd u just makes it download sources files |
| 05:43.37 | TimeKilla | That will effect my understanding of the os |
| 05:43.43 | jla | jmd search for perl in the list |
| 05:43.52 | Epod69 | anyone know how to access the application that brings up an applicatoin depending on the type of media, i want to bring up ogle when a dvd is put in |
| 05:43.53 | Wyzard | deadcat: It just gives you extra control over some things that cdrecord doesn't |
| 05:43.55 | ethics | jmd: if it doesnt work...put sarge in your sources then go back to stable in a few days after all the servers have resynced and any problems are found with that process |
| 05:43.57 | jmd | jla: The mirror I'm using is ftp.wa.au.debian.org nothing odd about it so far as i'm aware. |
| 05:43.59 | deadcat | Wyzard: as in downloaded .iso files |
| 05:44.11 | Wyzard | deadcat: You seem to not understand what cdrdao does |
| 05:44.22 | ethics | jmd: its just the same symlink but sarge works now...stable should but if it isnt then itll get fixed soon |
| 05:44.23 | kevix | TimeKilla, please note: in Linux you dont need to reboot! only for HW or kernel upgrades! |
| 05:44.27 | deadcat | Wyzard: nope |
| 05:44.33 | jmd | ethics: OK I'll do that if all else fails. |
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| 05:44.41 | TimeKilla | kevix.. i still have lots to learn, thanx. |
| 05:44.42 | TimeKilla | :) |
| 05:44.44 | baegle | how do I change my kernel version number after it's already been compiled? |
| 05:44.56 | sep | baegle: recompile ? |
| 05:45.04 | ethics | jmd: you could try a different mirror also..i know the AUS/NZ ones work right atm |
| 05:45.16 | fusion | debian.orcon.net.nz :) |
| 05:45.16 | Wyzard | deadcat: OK, there are two parts to a CD: the "table of contents", which says what tracks exist on the disc and where they're located, and the tracks themselves... data CDs have a single track whose contents correspond to your .iso file |
| 05:45.16 | baegle | sep: just for version number, isn't there a better/faster way? |
| 05:45.19 | jla | jmd ethics' trick should work. The stable/Release file on that mirror is sarge |
| 05:45.28 | nvz | baegle: you mean the revision number? |
| 05:45.30 | fusion | might not work for you though..not sure if they control the IPs |
| 05:45.35 | baegle | nvz: yeah |
| 05:45.37 | kelan | when will etch release? |
| 05:45.38 | Wyzard | deadcat: cdrecord automatically generates the "table of contents", and doesn't give you any control over it |
| 05:45.39 | nvz | baegle: the version is whatever source tree you used |
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| 05:45.41 | jmd | ethics: I don't want to spend $$$ on traffic charges. |
| 05:45.41 | kelan | :) |
| 05:45.43 | nbr | can anyone guide me as to how to configure my mouse and display? |
| 05:45.45 | TimeKilla | I don't know how to execute programs from the command line yet. I'm still thinking in terms of dos.. so its gonna take a bit to form a mental map of the os |
| 05:45.46 | nvz | baegle: you mean what comes after it? |
| 05:45.53 | jmd | jla: How do I search in aptitude? |
| 05:45.54 | deadcat | Wyzard: oh.. |
| 05:45.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: cdrdao uses a toc-file where you *tell* it what you want in the disc's table of contents |
| 05:45.56 | kevix | kelan, when its ready! |
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| 05:45.57 | baegle | nvz: yes |
| 05:45.58 | kelan | heh |
| 05:45.59 | tictac | nbr: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:46.04 | boow | has sarge move to stable my source.lst still says testing |
| 05:46.14 | jla | jmd did you find perl in the apt list?, type / (search box appears) type packagename (^perl) |
| 05:46.26 | ethics | kelan not scheduled yet many years at a guess but you can run it as testing now....it's the same as sarge atm but will change over the next years |
| 05:46.27 | Wyzard | deadcat: When you write DATAFILE "woody.iso" in the toc-file, you're telling cdrdao that the track should contain the contents of that file. When you burn the disc, cdrdao will read that file and put its contents on the disc. |
| 05:46.34 | nvz | baegle: well I would say you would run make-kpkg again with the correct --revision flag and recompile.. heh I dont know of any other way |
| 05:46.37 | sep | boow: testing=etch stable=sarge set what you want in your list |
| 05:46.41 | kevix | boow, I read on planet.debian.org that it had... maybe not on your mirror... YMMV |
| 05:46.53 | nvz | !kp mantra |
| 05:46.53 | dpkg | The kernel compilation mantra is make-kpkg clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot clean; make-kpkg --revision $(date +'%Y%m%d') --append-to-version=-$(hostname) --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image; |
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| 05:47.06 | deadcat | Wyzard: lot of work (=.. |
| 05:47.15 | ethics | jmd: the packages wont reload when you change sources.list it looks at package names.... |
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| 05:47.28 | nbr | did i do that right? |
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| 05:47.31 | luca__ | hello |
| 05:47.34 | nbr | dpkg didn't msg me back. |
| 05:47.35 | jmd | jla: I've got perl-base 5.6.1-8.9 |
| 05:47.37 | chealer | damn, why do I start reading debian-devel when it's nearly 2 AM? |
| 05:47.38 | jla | jmd F10 (unless in gui and your xterm client catches F10) opens menu |
| 05:47.38 | asfa | ahre there someone |
| 05:47.45 | Wyzard | deadcat: In this case there's no real benefit in using cdrdao -- that sample toc-file I wrote is a "standard" table of contents, exactly what cdrecord would give you, but there are situations where you *need* that extra control over the disc's TOC |
| 05:47.51 | nvz | nbr: what did you say? |
| 05:47.56 | Wyzard | deadcat: btw, if you use cdrecord, you should specify "--dao" |
| 05:47.57 | dabreegster | jmd: Whoa! You have the same nickname as the MP3 daemon I'm working on: Jigstar Music Daemon. A coincidence? |
| 05:47.58 | luca__ | i am searching for the most recent kernel deb package for debian. any idea? |
| 05:48.05 | asfa | i just installed debian on my computer but the screen resolution is locked to 800X600 whiy ? |
| 05:48.10 | nbr | i said '/msg dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86' |
| 05:48.11 | deadcat | Wyzard: ok. let me man that |
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| 05:48.12 | TimeKilla | are there shortcut keys to reduce the resolution in gnome... i'm stuck at a disturbed login screen. |
| 05:48.20 | nbr | that's what i took my suggestion to mean. |
| 05:48.22 | asfa | how can i set it to 1024x768 ? |
| 05:48.23 | nvz | nbr: thats a command |
| 05:48.23 | jla | jmd q (quit) apt-get update aptitude dist-upgrade. If that doesn't work, switch sources to sarge to force it to refresh |
| 05:48.39 | nvz | nbr: as root you type dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:48.43 | Coke | TimeKilla: X has the keys ctrl alt + and ctrl alt - |
| 05:48.45 | trave11er | luca__: latest in sarge is 2.4.27/2.6.8, in sid - 2.6.11 |
| 05:48.50 | jla | something's messed since the mirror you say your using has the right Release file, but you aren't getting updated release files. |
| 05:48.51 | Wyzard | deadcat: Burning in DAO mode is preferable no matter what software you use to do the burn |
| 05:49.00 | jmd | dabreegster, For a small royalty I can license the nick to you :) |
| 05:49.08 | nvz | nbr: if the bot had responded, it would have been to call you an idiot. |
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| 05:49.11 | dabreegster | jmd: No thanks. |
| 05:49.19 | ethics | asfr dpkg reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:49.24 | nvz | they seem to just not say anything if they dont know now |
| 05:49.32 | luca__ | trave11er, do you know if 2.6.12-rc is available somewhere? |
| 05:49.36 | dabreegster | jmd: You'll be seeing your name on sourceforge, freshmeat, everywhere, once I've gotten you stable |
| 05:49.47 | trave11er | luca__: not in the archive |
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| 05:50.20 | naoliv | Why there is no virtual package "image-viewer" ? |
| 05:50.31 | kevix | luca__, apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:50.35 | nvz | naoliv: what would that be for? |
| 05:50.38 | ethics | naoliv: noone made on? |
| 05:50.46 | baegle | my issue is upgrading libc says the revision number is higher than 255. Is there a way to fix this without recompiling my kernel? |
| 05:51.19 | ethics | baegle: what exactly are you doing? |
| 05:52.10 | naoliv | nvz, ethics: For example, if I create a package that generates some picutes (in PNG, JPG, etc) and I would like to recommend an image-viewer. A virtual package image-viewer would be useful for this! |
| 05:52.23 | baegle | ethics: apt-get install libc6 |
| 05:52.38 | jmd | dabreegster, Yipee! I'll be famous. |
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| 05:52.41 | naoliv | "... if I create a package OF A PROGRAM that generates..." sorry for missing this. |
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| 05:52.58 | luca__ | kevix, i know that. i need 2.6.12-something |
| 05:53.07 | ethics | naoliv: debian gives you choices....it wont make decisions for you....default install of desktop gives you a few anyways |
| 05:53.11 | luca__ | it's not available from the usual places |
| 05:53.12 | dabreegster | jmd: Indeed. Right now you crash every time I try and stop one instance of the MPG321 instance. Can't you hold still? |
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| 05:53.16 | jim | baegle: warning, if you upgrade libc without upgrading your whole distribution, you could render your system unusable... for one, installing the sid version of libc when you run testing might cause problems |
| 05:53.19 | kevix | naoliv, there is nothing stopping you from suggesting it! |
| 05:53.26 | TimeKilla | does ctrl-alt-F1 in gnome completely shutdown the gui, or just shell me out? |
| 05:53.27 | baegle | jim: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:53.40 | baegle | on sarge |
| 05:53.45 | naoliv | kevix: But where do I suggest this? |
| 05:53.51 | ethics | baegle: your on sarge? |
| 05:54.04 | baegle | yes |
| 05:54.06 | jim | and you're upgrading to remain on sarge? or? |
| 05:54.06 | ethics | !search libc6 |
| 05:54.14 | kevix | naoliv, the debian-devel list would be one. |
| 05:54.19 | naoliv | ethics: I know this. The same way that there is 'www-broser', 'postscript-viewer', I think that would be useful a image-viewer. |
| 05:54.26 | jmd | jla, Things seem to happen when I substitude stable with sarge. But I'm a bit dissappointed that this is necessary. Should I file a bug report? |
| 05:54.54 | trave11er | naoliv: virtual packages are only useful for dependencies |
| 05:54.55 | ethics | naoliv: oh that stuff....alternatives i think the official names are..... |
| 05:54.55 | baegle | !search libc6 |
| 05:54.57 | kevix | naoliv, the 'alternative' system has x-www-browser which would view most images. |
| 05:55.11 | jim | baegle, and you're upgrading to remain on sarge? or? |
| 05:55.24 | jla | jmd I suppose you could, but I am not sure the problem is with the local software. It seems the old files kept being fetched (mirror, cache, etc). You should be able to switch back to 'stable' from sarge as soon as you're done |
| 05:55.34 | TimeKilla | in gnome does ctrl-alt-f1 completely close gnome or just shell me out? |
| 05:55.39 | baegle | yes, I'm attempting to update my system to the latest sarge packages |
| 05:55.47 | sep | TimeKilla: shell only |
| 05:55.52 | jim | TimeKilla: neither |
| 05:55.54 | sep | alt f7 should give you X again |
| 05:56.14 | kevix | TimeKilla, it takes you to the 'console'. X and gnome are still running... |
| 05:56.17 | sep | TimeKilla: you have consoles on F1-F6 and x on F7 (usualy) |
| 05:56.18 | jim | TimeKilla: what it does is switch you to a different virtual console |
| 05:56.20 | ethics | jla: upstream transparent proxy maybee |
| 05:56.20 | tkiesel | Good night/morning/day, everyone. |
| 05:56.27 | TimeKilla | thank you |
| 05:56.31 | TimeKilla | very good to know |
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| 05:56.39 | jla | ethics seems likely if there is nothing wierd in sources or some apt proxy setting |
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| 05:56.49 | jmd | jla: Will I get the same problem in the next stable release ? |
| 05:56.51 | naoliv | trave11er: A package is a package that doesn't exist. For example, kghostview provides pdf-viewer, that is a virtual package. At least I think that a virtual package is this. |
| 05:57.03 | trave11er | naoliv: right |
| 05:57.14 | TimeKilla | If i shell out and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and then shell back in.. will that update the new options available for resolution? |
| 05:57.20 | jla | jmd I cant say. You shouldn't have had the problem now. Try this if you can. Browse ftp://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release and see what Codename says |
| 05:57.23 | baegle | ls |
| 05:57.25 | trave11er | naoliv: so that other packages, which need external pdf viewer can depend on it |
| 05:57.35 | jim | TimeKilla: initially, you have 6 virtual consoles... on ctrl-alt-F1 - F6 |
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| 05:57.40 | trave11er | naoliv: that's pretty much its sole purpose |
| 05:57.50 | nvz | if I want to erase all the config dotfiles from the sambaguest's homedir whats the command? I dont want to accidentally be recursivly deleting crap here :P |
| 05:57.53 | jmd | jla: It says 'sarge'. |
| 05:58.03 | ethics | timekilla: nope as x never restarts |
| 05:58.03 | jla | jmd even though we may hope for more frequent updates, you probably won't have to do this more often than every 2 years at most :P |
| 05:58.08 | naoliv | trave11er: So, with a virtual package image-viewer, all image viewer programs will provides image-viewer. If I do a program that recommends soemthing to see images, I would recommends image-viewer. |
| 05:58.36 | TimeKilla | ethics, i don't quite understand... how can i restart X (and is X gnome?) |
| 05:58.36 | jim | starting X opens a seventh one (on ctrl-alt-F7) and you're just switching among the 7 VCs |
| 05:58.38 | ethics | nvz: do it manually |
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| 05:58.41 | trave11er | naoliv: recommending an image-viewer is pretty pointless, i would say |
| 05:58.45 | nvz | pfft |
| 05:58.48 | tictac | naoliv: feh is your friend. |
| 05:58.58 | kevix | TimeKilla, if you change options for a running server (x server), you need to restart it for the opttions to take effect. |
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| 05:59.03 | ethics | time x is the bricks that make gnome and kde etc build on top of |
| 05:59.06 | tictac | pornview too ;) |
| 05:59.16 | nvz | theres a ton of crap i nthere, I seen if from a winders machine |
| 05:59.22 | TimeKilla | ok.. how can i go about restarting X? |
| 05:59.37 | wuemn | Hi, i got the Failed to initialize core device for X server, i dont remember the command to link the device file to my mouse. |
| 05:59.39 | jim | TimeKilla: you didn't stop x by doing ctrl-alt-F1 |
| 05:59.39 | nvz | someone must have used the account at one time, and got a bunch of config files created |
| 05:59.51 | ethics | TimeKilla, restarting is probably besy with dpkg-reconfigure but i beleive you could restart gdm/kdm also from console session |
| 05:59.52 | jmd | jla: It's just that shortly after woody was released, I was working at an institution with a large number of desktops. I set all the sources.lists to point to "stable" so that nobody would have to do anything special when sarge was eventually released. |
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| 06:00.01 | nvz | its not suppose to have anything in its homedir but the shared stuff |
| 06:00.14 | naoliv | tictac: Thanks. |
| 06:00.20 | jim | TimeKilla: it's still going (but you can't see it) |
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| 06:00.27 | TimeKilla | yep i understand |
| 06:00.37 | gpm | is the non-US portion of /topic the reason that i'm getting 404s for the non-US stuff when i apt-get update? |
| 06:00.42 | wuemn | Failed to initialize core device |
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| 06:00.54 | jim | since it's sitting on the 7th VC, |
| 06:01.02 | jla | jmd I think that is fine. again, we shouldn't have had to force it this way. I'm not sure why the package lists werent updated or if they were how/why the change wasn't picked up. |
| 06:01.03 | ethics | jmd: itll fix itself in a few hours ...itll be a update timer.....if its primetime there the mirror may not update till off hours etc |
| 06:01.03 | jim | try ctrl-alt-F7 |
| 06:01.06 | kevix | TimeKilla, /etc/init.d/gdm restart (if you are running gnome) |
| 06:01.08 | TimeKilla | i'm gonna console out on F1 and run the config for my xwindows. Hopefully i can setup the monitor correctly this time. Then i'll console back and hopefully get more detailed directions on restarting it. |
| 06:01.11 | Wyzard | gpm: yes |
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| 06:01.23 | Wyzard | gpm: non-US no longer exists, basically |
| 06:01.25 | TimeKilla | o kevix.. then basically i just go into a console and type that? |
| 06:01.43 | jmd | jla, ethics: So what exactly is (was) the problem? |
| 06:01.52 | kevix | TimeKilla, that is correct... if works, you will see gdm restart. |
| 06:02.07 | gpm | Wyzard: so when i put in main i'm putting in non-us too, right (sorry to be stupid, but i want to be sure) |
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| 06:02.14 | kevix | TimeKilla, (of course, as ROOT) |
| 06:02.18 | TimeKilla | yep |
| 06:02.21 | sshack | Hi, is there java awt support in sarge? |
| 06:02.22 | TimeKilla | i gathered that much |
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| 06:02.31 | Wyzard | gpm: Yes, packages that used to be in non-US are now in main |
| 06:02.44 | TimeKilla | ;).. learning lots.. but not enough to figure out everything on my own yet ;) |
| 06:02.57 | dabreegster | Gasp! |
| 06:03.10 | kevix | TimeKilla, you can use google to search the debian-user mail list. |
| 06:03.38 | wuemn | how to see the history of command i typed |
| 06:03.41 | ethics | jmd : well at the moment your symlin on the debian server is either pointing to woody still ie hasnt been updated for some reason but will be in a little while....OR you have something proxying/cacheing that your unaware of that was confusing apts new request for the old one on update....if it continues to happen tommorow then come back and we can look harder |
| 06:03.54 | kevix | wuemn, type 'history' |
| 06:03.58 | wuemn | thanks |
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| 06:04.22 | jim | TimeKilla: you might want to learn your shell... |
| 06:04.26 | jmd | ethics: OK. Thanks. |
| 06:04.37 | kevix | wuemn, if you want to re-execute command 5, then type '!5' |
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| 06:05.00 | TimeKilla | when you say shell, your refering to the command line? |
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| 06:05.18 | jla | jmd my guess is that for whatever reason /var/lib/apt/lists/<mirror>* files weren't getting updated or somehow /var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin wasn't seeing the change and updating |
| 06:05.24 | jim | yes, to the interpreter of the shell commands |
| 06:05.25 | djblazen | When I want to get the source package for the 2.6.8 kernel i type apt-get source kernel-image-<whatever> ? |
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| 06:05.35 | kevix | TimeKilla, correct, because the command line is created by a program -- bash,sh,tsh,csh ... |
| 06:05.40 | gpm | Wyzard: do you know where i can read about why they merged the two? |
| 06:05.53 | wuemn | i got this error with GDM no core pointer |
| 06:06.13 | trave11er | djblazen: for debian kernel source - yes |
| 06:06.13 | jim | the language accepted by that interpreter has a fair degree of depth |
| 06:06.23 | djblazen | trave11er: ok cool thanks |
| 06:06.24 | Krasiva_noche | any one knows a good place to help install UML under Debian 2.6.11 coz I tried the included help file, and honestly, its not useful |
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| 06:06.27 | TimeKilla | jim,kevix: thanx, i've learned a bit already, but not enough yet. So your help is speeding up my learning curve. (actually thanx to everyone here, cause i'm soaking up everything i see) |
| 06:06.32 | Wyzard | gpm: Check the debian-devel archives; I think I read about it there, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 06:06.46 | ethics | wuemn mouse config .....dev/input/mice normally |
| 06:06.49 | jla | jmd you can check /var/lib/apt/lists/<mirror>_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-<arch>_Packages to see what Package: perl says it's version is |
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| 06:06.59 | Wyzard | gpm: Basically, the reasons it existed (mostly due to US export restrictions on cryptographic software) have been resolved |
| 06:07.00 | ethics | !tell wuemn about drxx |
| 06:07.13 | [Roosta] | sarge was released guys! just thought you'd like to know |
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| 06:07.18 | [Roosta] | :P |
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| 06:07.34 | djblazen | heh, i had it before it was announced :-P |
| 06:07.36 | jim | TimeKilla: imagine... this linux used to not have any graphical X thing at all |
| 06:07.50 | ethics | roost cool thx...should i mark you down on the i dont ever want to get a new version of debian ever list? |
| 06:07.53 | wuemn | ethic my mouse is PS2 port without a scroll luck button, so i take PS/2 or IMps2 |
| 06:07.54 | kevix | gpm, there was a great need for non-us before, but many thing have happened to allow most of those programs to be move into main |
| 06:08.15 | ethics | wuemn, imps2 normally for scroll mice |
| 06:08.15 | TimeKilla | i don't care for the gui. I only want it for html viewing and irc communications when i'm doing other things. I'm doing this to learn the guts of this os. |
| 06:08.26 | wuemn | thanks that what i already done.. |
| 06:08.38 | ethics | wuemn, new install of sarge or upgrde from earlier? |
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| 06:08.48 | Krasiva_noche | can one browse the internet within a console or terminal ? |
| 06:08.55 | jim | then the shell might be a good start :) |
| 06:08.57 | djblazen | yeah |
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| 06:09.01 | djblazen | lynx |
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| 06:09.10 | Wyzard | Krasiva_noche: Yes, using "links" or "lynx" (two text-mode web browsers) |
| 06:09.14 | dabreegster | Krasiva_noche: elinks. |
| 06:09.18 | jim | (mind you, there are other programming languages available) |
| 06:09.23 | ethics | wuemn, new install of sarge or upgrde from earlier? |
| 06:09.28 | dabreegster | Wyzard: why does nobody know about elinks? it's the best console browser EVER |
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| 06:09.59 | Krasiva_noche | which is better lynx or elinks ? |
| 06:09.59 | gpm | kevix, Wyzard: cool...one less line in my sources.list |
| 06:10.06 | dabreegster | elinks |
| 06:10.14 | [Roosta] | i'm getting 404's on security.debian.org during apt-get update... is this fixable or temporary? |
| 06:10.21 | Wyzard | dabreegster: IIRC, the "links" package used to contain elinks, and it was split out at some point... but in my mind, elinks still falls under the heading of "links" |
| 06:10.21 | dabreegster | it's much more polished, can do so much more, is easier for beginners, and is better for the advanced. |
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| 06:10.36 | ethics | dabreegster: cos x is more commn now for poeple on linux than ever before? |
| 06:10.49 | jla | [Roosta] http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 06:10.50 | dabreegster | Wyzard: it's an entirely seperate package |
| 06:10.58 | ethics | dabreegster, sure we see servers but they see unbuntu etc... |
| 06:11.00 | [Roosta] | thanks jla |
| 06:11.15 | dabreegster | ethics: yeah, but I stay on the console because I want to. And elinks is best for the console. |
| 06:11.24 | jmd | aptitude dist-upgrade says "Need to get 444MB of archives" |
| 06:11.48 | Wyzard | dabreegster: It is now, but in the past, it wasn't... and /usr/bin/links points to /usr/bin/elinks, by way of /etc/alternatives/links |
| 06:11.55 | Wyzard | dabreegster: elinks is what I actually use, though |
| 06:11.56 | ethics | dabreegster the amount of little PoS firewall baxes i have with just links and a webpage to open the files to change hehe |
| 06:12.07 | jmd | df says 1k left. |
| 06:12.14 | jmd | Bummer! |
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| 06:12.26 | Krasiva_noche | anyone got user-mode-linux working under Debian 2.6.10 +, if so , please let me know which documentation you have used .. thanks. |
| 06:12.26 | sep | jmd: you dont _have_ to upgrade just becouse sarge is released. i'm waiting atlest 4-5 months on my productions servers. no need to rush into things :) |
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| 06:12.35 | [Roosta] | aptitude dist-upgrade is different from apt-get upgrade? |
| 06:12.46 | dabreegster | Wyzard: I guess. I came into the Linux game August or July of last year. |
| 06:12.46 | kevix | jmd, checkout 'apt-get autoclean' |
| 06:12.48 | ethics | [Roosta], yeah very |
| 06:12.50 | Wyzard | sep: I think sarge already did the waiting 4-5 months for you :-) |
| 06:13.05 | jmd | sep: What about security updates. |
| 06:13.12 | ethics | [Roosta], one updates the list of applications available to aptitude the other actual upgrades everything installld |
| 06:13.18 | Wyzard | jmd: woody still gets security updates |
| 06:13.19 | jla | jmd any space on other partitions, like /home? |
| 06:13.28 | sep | Wyzard: yes i woud have _no_ issues with installing a sarge now., it's just that migratng a production server takes a bit of planning and thinking thru |
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| 06:13.42 | jmd | kevix: Thanks. Never knew about that one. |
| 06:13.42 | Wyzard | sep: ah, ok, that makes sense |
| 06:13.43 | sep | and the security updates for woody will be with us for altest a year i bet |
| 06:13.52 | sep | so no hurry |
| 06:14.00 | [Roosta] | ethics - aptitude is the one that actually upgrades everything installed? |
| 06:14.05 | Mattystein | i dont know if this is the place to ask, but what command do i use to erase an ext3 drive completely, leaving it as an unformatted space? |
| 06:14.22 | jmd | The bottom line is that I need a bigger disk |
| 06:14.26 | ethics | sep what you plan: apt-get dist-upgrade leavbe call in sick for 4 days blame others for not knowing sarge released hehe |
| 06:14.39 | sep | Mattystein: just repartition it removing all partition with whatever partitiontool you like cfdisk forinstance |
| 06:14.39 | Wyzard | Mattystein: Is your goal to start with a fresh new filesystem, or to destroy the data contained on the current one? |
| 06:14.47 | ethics | sep: yes im a manager can you tell i have the asshole streak |
| 06:14.58 | sep | ethics: i can tell :) |
| 06:15.02 | kevix | Mattystein, do you want to do an ultra-secure delete or just a basic erase? |
| 06:15.04 | ethics | ok home time |
| 06:15.18 | jla | jmd you only have 1k free? |
| 06:15.53 | jmd | jla: So it said. But I think it was lying. |
| 06:16.06 | jla | jmd how many partitions |
| 06:16.10 | Mattystein | ultra-secure? |
| 06:16.17 | tode | Mattystein: to obliterate all data "dd if=dev/zero of=/dev/sda" |
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| 06:16.22 | kevix | jmd, how big is the HD? mine is < 10GB. |
| 06:16.23 | tictac | non-us.debian.org == main.debian.org ? |
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| 06:16.44 | TimeKilla | hey i got a question.. setting up my xserver, there is the option for color depth in bits. |
| 06:16.45 | Wyzard | Mattystein: Again, is your goal just to start over with a new empty filesystem, or do you need to irrecoverably destroy the data currently stored there? |
| 06:16.54 | jmd | jla: Only one that has a efs2 filesystem. |
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| 06:17.18 | sep | Wyzard: jdm: also i like to do a test upgrade on a non production server before doing it on the _real_ thing |
| 06:17.21 | kevix | Mattystein, 80% of all old thrown out HD have sensitive data on them.... |
| 06:17.26 | TimeKilla | i got 16 to 24.. in windows its 16 and 32. This is a fundamental difference i take it? |
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| 06:17.43 | jla | jmd so just a / (root) partition. Is /var/log full of junk? how about seeing what aptitude clean frees up |
| 06:17.49 | sep | kevix: like all your p0rn ? :) |
| 06:17.54 | tode | kevix: 80% how do you get a number like that? |
| 06:18.00 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: IIRC, there's a note on that same screen explaining that the difference between 24 and 32 is a lower-level detail, and that you should choose 24 if "32" is what you think you want |
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| 06:18.04 | kevix | sep, hehe. |
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| 06:18.09 | jla | jmd if you really only have 1k you should have been getting "cannot download, device full" or something |
| 06:18.16 | jmd | More like /home is full of junk. |
| 06:18.18 | Mattystein | i'm not throwing it out, just want to convert to a windows drive |
| 06:18.20 | kevix | tode, in a trade publication. |
| 06:18.21 | Mattystein | NTFS or sumthin |
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| 06:18.46 | sep | Mattystein: then just repartition it, you ca ndo that with any partitioning tool |
| 06:18.52 | jmd | Yeah something wierd is going on. right now, df sayss |
| 06:18.58 | jmd | /dev/hda1 -1084803629340 1 0 95% / |
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| 06:19.11 | Mattystein | whats a good partitioning tool? |
| 06:19.12 | Wyzard | Mattystein: Then use fdisk to delete the partition, then use Windows to create and format a new one |
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| 06:19.17 | jla | jmd how about du? |
| 06:19.18 | jmd | IE --- a negative amount of blocks free. |
| 06:19.19 | tode | Mattystein: Just use the Windows setup to delete that partition. |
| 06:19.20 | kevix | jmd, that is a know issue. I think libc or glib? |
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| 06:20.01 | Wyzard | Mattystein: You can create and delete partitions using "Disk Management" in an existing Windows installation, or as part of the setup procedure if you're installing anew |
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| 06:20.41 | TimeKilla | lmao i'm having some serious resolution problems. |
| 06:20.42 | TimeKilla | hehe |
| 06:20.51 | Mattystein | i couldnt see the ext3 hard drive though, its a seperate hard drive to my windows one |
| 06:21.02 | xk | about time sarge has been released ;) |
| 06:21.02 | kevix | TimeKilla, time to get some new glasses! |
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| 06:21.24 | TimeKilla | Don't need glasses yet.. i might if i look at that damn thing in highest res |
| 06:21.33 | jmd | xk: It's just a hoax. |
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| 06:22.18 | kevix | xk, indeed, I'm going to release pary on sat! |
| 06:22.32 | xk | it makes the machine so lagged. |
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| 06:22.51 | x2 | xk: why? |
| 06:22.53 | TimeKilla | I've got a question. My windows system can play a java game called runescape. I wonder if it can work in the linux environment? |
| 06:23.04 | TestMasTer | hello all; question with apt-get is there a search function? i am trying to figure out he names for mysql-libs and so on and can`t seem to find anything (newbie question) |
| 06:23.14 | x2 | everything > runescape |
| 06:23.16 | jm_ | TimeKilla: install JRE |
| 06:23.17 | xk | x2: do you think realtek is the best ethernet card? Have you seen a realtek card make a machine _crawl_? |
| 06:23.23 | SlayerXP | TestMasTer: apt-cache search foo |
| 06:23.30 | x2 | xk: i use them |
| 06:23.33 | TestMasTer | SlayerXP thank you |
| 06:23.37 | x2 | xk: i don't see any problem with them |
| 06:23.46 | xk | !rtl8139 |
| 06:23.46 | dpkg | it has been said that rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
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| 06:23.54 | SlayerXP | TestMasTer: also "apt-cache search --names-only foo" |
| 06:23.57 | TimeKilla | jm: that mean Java Runtime Environment? |
| 06:24.02 | xk | !rtl81x9.c |
| 06:24.02 | dpkg | rtl81x9.c is probably the openbsd realtek 8129/8139 PCI NIC driver. Quote: "The RealTek 8139 PCI NIC redefines the meaning of 'low end.' This is probably the worst PCI ethernet controller ever made, with the possible exception of the FEAST chip made by SMC. The 8139 supports bus-master DMA, but it has a terrible interface that nullifies any performance gains that bus-master DMA usually offers." |
| 06:24.03 | xk | there we go. |
| 06:24.06 | jm_ | TimeKilla: indeed -- /msg dpkg java |
| 06:24.11 | x2 | xk: maybe you just have bad luck like it says |
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| 06:24.14 | TimeKilla | jm: thanx |
| 06:24.17 | SlayerXP | realtek cards made by realtek are okay |
| 06:24.26 | Siropel | yep |
| 06:24.37 | Wyzard | ...however, it's universally compatible and costs about $4 |
| 06:24.45 | SlayerXP | 8139 cards made by Huang Fu Technology, Taiwan are bits of shit |
| 06:24.50 | TestMasTer | SlayerXP is there a mysql-devel and libs for debian, the search came back with nothing. |
| 06:24.50 | xk | x2: bad luck? ever tried a realtek card in a pentium 1 system? fat chance getting 1 MB/s. an intel gets 4-5 MB/s |
| 06:25.05 | dbeal | If I've got testing running now, how do I upgrade to sarge? |
| 06:25.19 | [Roosta] | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 06:25.19 | dabreegster | TestMasTer: apt-cache search libmysql |
| 06:25.25 | xk | I just want to laugh at anyone who defends realtek |
| 06:25.27 | jm_ | TestMasTer: apt-cache search mysql dev |
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| 06:25.28 | xk | it's just shameful. |
| 06:25.31 | Wyzard | dbeal: Edit sources.list and upgrade |
| 06:25.40 | TestMasTer | dabreegster oh different name thank you |
| 06:25.41 | x2 | xk: send me a fast card them |
| 06:25.45 | x2 | then |
| 06:25.51 | TestMasTer | thank you jm_ and slackd00d |
| 06:25.54 | TestMasTer | eek SlayerXP |
| 06:26.02 | Wyzard | xk: They're useful when you just want a cheap card to have around as a spare |
| 06:26.09 | kevix | TestMasTer, libmysqlclient14-dev - mysql database development files |
| 06:26.12 | xk | x2: only if you drive over your realteks with your SUV. ;) |
| 06:26.17 | x2 | what is a good ethernet card then? |
| 06:26.28 | x2 | i don't have a SUV |
| 06:26.29 | xk | Wyzard: cheap? I bought my 3com/intel cards for 3-5$/each. |
| 06:26.30 | dbeal | roosta, thanks.. wyzard: I've often wondered what all should go in sources.list..so, just change it from testing to sarge? |
| 06:26.37 | TimeKilla | sweet i was able to change resolution now i'm in business |
| 06:26.42 | jla | jmd what does `du` report? |
| 06:26.55 | Wyzard | xk: And I have some 3c905B's that I got for $5 each at a computer show... but they're harder to find |
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| 06:27.08 | xk | x2: intel e100 or e1000, or 3com 905 |
| 06:27.13 | jmd | jla: On what directory? |
| 06:27.15 | x2 | okay |
| 06:27.20 | xk | Wyzard: hehehe, I have a few of them. got 4 of them for 9$ :) |
| 06:27.21 | x2 | i must look into that then |
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| 06:27.48 | Wyzard | xk: If you get a 3c905, make sure you get the 'A' or 'B' variant, not the 'C'... 3c905C has problems in Linux |
| 06:27.50 | xk | x2: used computer parts shop is the best place to find them. |
| 06:27.53 | Wyzard | oops |
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| 06:27.56 | Wyzard | x2: ^^^ |
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| 06:28.15 | tictac | shops around here charge $15 for old 3x59x based 3com cards |
| 06:28.26 | Wyzard | x2: (Specifically, the driver fails to do NWAY autonegotiation, so the card uses 10mbit half-duplex regardless of what your network is capable of) |
| 06:28.42 | x2 | well that sucks |
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| 06:28.46 | xk | Wyzard: ahhh... I remember that problem, I just forced the setting and rebooted, and it works. |
| 06:28.50 | dbeal | Is it gonna be a problem if I dist-upgrade with 10 million windows open? (Throwback to "Close all Programs before you Continue"). |
| 06:28.56 | Wyzard | x2: The 'B' works fine though... I use several of them |
| 06:28.58 | dbeal | I'm kinda halfway serious though. |
| 06:29.00 | tictac | dbeal: no. |
| 06:29.21 | dbeal | tictac..sweet |
| 06:29.22 | Wyzard | dbeal: It won't hurt the upgrade, but the programs might get confused |
| 06:29.25 | tictac | dbeal: the programs are loaded in memory, you can upgrade them in place unlike some other OS. |
| 06:29.36 | jla | jmd / |
| 06:29.46 | Wyzard | dbeal: if they rely on data files or something which get changed out from under them |
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| 06:30.01 | dbeal | wyzard, why wouldn't it be likely |
| 06:30.02 | jla | jmd du -s / |
| 06:30.02 | jmd | Dunno. It'll take du a long time to do all that. |
| 06:30.06 | jeff99 | could anyone help me get linux to recongize my serial mouse? |
| 06:30.17 | Wyzard | dbeal: I run unstable, though, and I upgrade daily while running X and a bunch of apps, and rarely have any issues |
| 06:30.21 | x2 | so let me get this straight. I have testing which is sarge. Now that it has come out as stable, i want to get the latest testing, so i need to dist-upgrade to testing? |
| 06:30.29 | Wyzard | dbeal: And when there are issues, it's generally just an app hanging, and I restart it |
| 06:30.32 | jm_ | jeff99: just configure whatever has to use the mouse correctly |
| 06:30.39 | xk | x2: testing is sarge? stable is now sarge. |
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| 06:30.50 | Wyzard | x2: No, you want to use "sarge" or "stable", not "testing" |
| 06:30.50 | sep | x2: i only dist-upgrade if a upgrade have heldback packages |
| 06:30.51 | nar | I have some systems getting the error "Unknown HZ value! (18) Assume 100." from uptime. I see this is a kernel bug relating to overflow with long uptimes. Does debian have a fix? I can just reboot as a workaround. |
| 06:30.54 | dbeal | tictac..memory-mapped executables.....beyond me..kinda sorry I asked. |
| 06:30.56 | send | yes, sartge now is stable |
| 06:30.57 | jeff99 | jm_, how can i know that linux sees that its there. or at least test if it is working |
| 06:30.59 | kevix | jeff99, how is you XF86config-4 referring to it now? |
| 06:31.06 | x2 | xk: so i want testing, not stable |
| 06:31.09 | Wyzard | x2: "testing" now refers to continuing development, past the point that is sarge |
| 06:31.20 | xk | x2: then use the reference "testing" in sources.list. |
| 06:31.23 | jm_ | jeff99: cat <device_file>|od and move the mouse |
| 06:31.28 | x2 | xk: i have |
| 06:31.36 | x2 | xk: so i don't have to change anything |
| 06:31.43 | jmd | I wonder at what point in the dist-upgrade process /etc/debian_version gets replaced? |
| 06:31.49 | xk | x2: correct. |
| 06:31.57 | Wyzard | x2: If you want to continue getting new packages in testing, use testing. If you want to use sarge, and not get newer versions of things that are not part of sarge, then do not use testing. |
| 06:31.58 | tictac | jmd: when the script tells it to :P |
| 06:32.18 | jeff99 | jm_, im not sure what device fiel it is in |
| 06:32.18 | xk | nar: I remember that problem. what kernel and version of debian? |
| 06:32.25 | kevix | jmd, my guess is my 'base-config'... |
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| 06:32.45 | Krasiva_noche | any one has user-mode-linux running fine under Debian ?? |
| 06:32.52 | jm_ | jeff99: which kernel are you using? |
| 06:32.58 | x2 | xk: Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages 404 Not Found |
| 06:33.03 | x2 | ? |
| 06:33.04 | jeff99 | 2.4 |
| 06:33.08 | TimeKilla | how can i tell if java has been installed on my system? |
| 06:33.10 | tictac | bah. whats up with non-us? |
| 06:33.23 | jeff99 | ill upgrade to 2.6 then |
| 06:33.25 | jm_ | then it would be /dev/ttyS*, depending on the port its plugged into |
| 06:33.25 | tictac | its a part of main.. so.. ? |
| 06:33.26 | Wyzard | x2: Testing does not get security updates. The only reason it did recently was in preparation for the sarge release; it's sarge that gets those updates. |
| 06:33.26 | xk | testing has no "security" updates |
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| 06:33.47 | kelan | yay upgrade to sarge complete! time for bed |
| 06:33.53 | x2 | this is confusing as hell |
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| 06:34.01 | kevix | jeff99, what does this show 'grep dev /etc/X11/XF86Config-4' |
| 06:34.08 | KarlosII | I can barely believe sarge was released |
| 06:34.10 | xk | x2: you only need security if you run stable, not testing or unstable. |
| 06:34.23 | xk | x2: or a released version of debian. |
| 06:34.26 | TimeKilla | how can i tell is jre is installed on my system guy? |
| 06:34.29 | TimeKilla | (s) |
| 06:34.31 | xk | if it's not released, you don't need security. |
| 06:34.32 | Wyzard | xk: Not true... testing is the *last* place to get security fixes |
| 06:34.32 | jeff99 | Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 06:34.32 | Coke | x2: confusing? have you ever worked as a software developer? |
| 06:34.37 | x2 | i see, but previously testing did get security updates? |
| 06:34.45 | dbeal | Wyzard, I run "upgrade" all the time too, but I'm not sure the extent of the difference between what I have going on and the release. I'm kinda more just internally gloating about the robustness of Debian (but still wondering why apt(itude) takes forever and one day Checking Database...). |
| 06:34.53 | xk | x2: that's because testing was in preparation to get released. |
| 06:34.59 | Wyzard | xk: Umm, yes, attackers don't restrict their attacks to only "stable" releases of software |
| 06:35.03 | kevix | xk, Sarge had security updates for more than a month. |
| 06:35.20 | Krasiva_noche | how can one update to sarge ? |
| 06:35.22 | x2 | ohh i see |
| 06:35.24 | Wyzard | xk: Packages in testing can have security bugs too, but it doesn't get the fixes until they trickle down from unstable |
| 06:35.26 | nar | xk: 2.4.20 from debian 3.0 |
| 06:35.49 | jeff99 | kevix, Option "Device" "/dev/input/mice" |
| 06:35.52 | jm_ | jeff99: that's OK if you have support for serial modules |
| 06:35.58 | x2 | so what is testing now... sid? |
| 06:36.00 | jm_ | for serial devices* even |
| 06:36.07 | Wyzard | x2: testing is etch |
| 06:36.07 | jeff99 | i guess i dont have support for serial devices then? |
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| 06:36.09 | deadcat | x2: no |
| 06:36.15 | Wyzard | x2: unstable is sid, and will always be sid |
| 06:36.29 | TestMasTer | dum irc client |
| 06:36.34 | tictac | sid is the bad kid, he will never get his own real release :P |
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| 06:37.08 | jeff99 | jm_, so how do i see if my system can handel seral devices |
| 06:37.11 | kevix | jeff99, a quick fix may be to change that to /dev/ttyS0 |
| 06:37.11 | dbeal | I'm sorry, but did some ex Pixar employee work on Debian? |
| 06:37.20 | xk | nar: hm... I only remember having that issue on early 2.6.0 (test even?) with older 2.4.x-aware packages. |
| 06:37.27 | jm_ | jeff99: cat /proc/devices |
| 06:37.44 | x2 | this upgrade stuff is confusing |
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| 06:38.01 | jla | TimeKilla locate jre? |
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| 06:38.04 | TimeKilla | how do i tell that bot to give me help on java again? |
| 06:38.06 | Wyzard | x2: No, you're confusing yourself :-) |
| 06:38.09 | jmd | jla: 3702684 / |
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| 06:38.10 | jeff99 | i see nothing that says "serial" but im not sure what to look for |
| 06:38.12 | tictac | TimeKilla: /msg dpkg java |
| 06:38.17 | x2 | Wyzard: i know :P |
| 06:38.25 | kevix | dbeal, yes... bruce perens |
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| 06:38.43 | jla | jmd 4gb drive? |
| 06:38.45 | nar | xk: My google researh indicated it was a long standing issue in 2.4 and I wondered if a later 2.4 kernal had it fixed. |
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| 06:38.52 | Wyzard | x2: Simple question... do you want to run sarge (with security updates, but not "new versions" of software), or do you want to run testing (no timely security updates, but new versions of software) ? |
| 06:39.04 | dbeal | All of a sudden I have to administer Fedora 1.0. Does Fedora have an equivalent (pale imitation) to apt for fetching goodness from distributed remote repositories? |
| 06:39.10 | TestMasTer | question; is there anyway to share a printer, with a computer out side of the network, its on the other side of a router |
| 06:39.14 | x2 | new versions of software |
| 06:39.18 | jm_ | jeff4;it should say ttyS |
| 06:39.19 | sep | dbeal: um |
| 06:39.20 | x2 | i am a desktop |
| 06:39.21 | Wyzard | dbeal: yum |
| 06:39.22 | xk | nar: may aswell as upgrade kernel to 2.4.31 and see if it solves the issue. |
| 06:39.23 | sep | dbeal: yum |
| 06:39.24 | EricBetts | on the netinst (testing from 2 weeks ago) cd, the initrd.list has a number of packages listed, is it possible to access these on a already install system? i've mounted a gunzip'd initrd.gz, but see only a usual filesystem, no .debs |
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| 06:39.28 | jmd | jla: I think so. |
| 06:39.29 | jla | x2 http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 06:39.34 | sep | dbeal: a pale imitation of apt :) |
| 06:39.34 | x2 | but i need to have it the opposite for my server |
| 06:39.36 | jm_ | jeff99: prefix messages for me with jm_ or I won't help you |
| 06:39.37 | SquareRt | so when do we set up /msg dpkg wwer? *grin* |
| 06:39.37 | dbeal | Thanks, guys. |
| 06:39.41 | jla | jmd < 300 meg free :( |
| 06:39.51 | jla | jmd du -hs /var/* |
| 06:39.56 | ch | could anyone suggest a alternative lightweigght internet browser? firefox takes to long to open up on this pc |
| 06:40.07 | EricBetts | ch: dillo |
| 06:40.07 | Wyzard | dbeal: apt can be used in Fedora too... as a layer on top of rpm rather than a layer on top of dpkg |
| 06:40.08 | xk | ch: what is the specs of the machine? cpu/ram ? |
| 06:40.11 | nar | xk: Guess I will have to suck it and see :) |
| 06:40.14 | SquareRt | as in when will etch release |
| 06:40.18 | x2 | ch: mozilla, Konquorer |
| 06:40.19 | TimeKilla | hmm the java bit has got me a bit confused |
| 06:40.23 | ch | 1.2ghz celeron, 192mb ran |
| 06:40.25 | jm_ | ch: the only lightweight alternatives would be links/dillo or opera if you don't care about its non-free status |
| 06:40.27 | dbeal | Wyzard, interesting.. |
| 06:40.28 | sep | SquareRt: get _real_ 2-3 years perhaps |
| 06:40.38 | jmd | jla: /var has got a lot of web pages there. |
| 06:40.38 | ch | ill take a look at dillo |
| 06:40.40 | xk | ch: more ram would help. I used to run firefox on a 400mhz machine with 512megs ram. |
| 06:40.47 | jla | ch links :P |
| 06:40.50 | xk | ch: are you using gnome or kde? |
| 06:40.53 | ch | kde |
| 06:40.55 | Wyzard | dbeal: You can probably install it with yum |
| 06:40.55 | SquareRt | sep: I was being /slightly/ silly |
| 06:41.08 | dbeal | Wyzard, I need to get yum first. |
| 06:41.10 | xk | ch: get rid of kde and don't use a DE, but rather just a window manager. |
| 06:41.16 | xk | ch: or get more ram. |
| 06:41.18 | jla | jmd is /var/log or /var/cache or /var/mail piggy? |
| 06:41.18 | ch | like? |
| 06:41.20 | sep | SquareRt: might have been funny the first time, but there are _far_ too many asking that question |
| 06:41.24 | dbeal | ahhh |
| 06:41.32 | streuner | !window manager |
| 06:41.32 | dpkg | window manager is, like, includes: 9wm, aewm, afterstep, amaterus, amiwm, asclassic, blackbox, ctwm, cwwm, enlightenment, evilwm, fluxbox, flwm, fvwm, icewm, ion, kwin, larswm, lwm, matchbox, metacity, nawm, olvwm, olwm, openbox, oroborus, plwm, pwm, qvwm, ratpoison, sapphire, sawfish, twm, uwm, vtwm, w9wm, waimea, windows-el, wininfo, wm2, wmaker, and xfwm4. TWIN (Text mode). Pickers: selectwm and wmanager. No WM-picker-picker. Yet. |
| 06:41.36 | xk | ch: I use afterstep. |
| 06:41.41 | nar | xk: Only problem is it will take another 9 months to tell :) |
| 06:41.45 | Wyzard | dbeal: I'd be surprised if it didn't come with any version of Fedora, though I don't use RH/Fedora so I don't know for sure |
| 06:41.46 | streuner | ch: here openbox |
| 06:41.50 | jla | (not that you'd want to purge /var/mail (/var/spool/mail) if it's real email and not just mails to root/admin |
| 06:41.54 | ch | im used to fluxbox |
| 06:41.57 | jmd | jla: Perhaps /var/log could loose a few files. |
| 06:42.05 | ch | and icewm |
| 06:42.07 | SquareRt | sep: should have thought of that... I just thought the bot-message suggestion might be slightly more unique |
| 06:42.14 | jla | jmd how big is it? |
| 06:42.19 | ch | is xfce no good for it also? |
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| 06:42.23 | xk | nar: I've used afterstep on that 400mhz box, and this 1800mhz athlon, it responds the same way ;) |
| 06:42.33 | jmd | 35780 |
| 06:42.34 | dbeal | Wyzard, well, it's some virtual private server. I've never touched Fedora. |
| 06:42.41 | xk | er ch rather |
| 06:42.44 | kevix | Wyzard, I'm using X.org now! ask me how! |
| 06:42.50 | jla | jmd hardly worth it, but it's something. What about /var/cache? |
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| 06:43.04 | Wyzard | kevix: I've heard of people using the Ubuntu package |
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| 06:43.15 | jmd | I find filelight a really good package for identifying stuff to delete. |
| 06:43.19 | KarlosII | freak don't mix ubuntu with debian ppl |
| 06:43.33 | Wyzard | kevix: I was going to try that, but the pinning was misbehaving and I decided it wasn't worth the effort of troubleshooting... I don't have an urgent need for xorg |
| 06:43.33 | jmd | 68140 /var/cache |
| 06:43.36 | jla | ch I think xfce is OK on p2 68m ram. |
| 06:43.36 | kevix | Wyzard, I'm using a package built for Debian by a debian developer |
| 06:43.38 | jm_ | gcc 4.0 is already in sid, GNOME 2.10 is in experimental for now |
| 06:43.47 | dbeal | If I'm not mistaken (fooled by vps fs trickery) it's 92mb installed, which means MINimal. |
| 06:43.50 | ch | whats the most user freindly wm? would icewm be one fo them? |
| 06:43.51 | Wyzard | kevix: Is it in experimental now? |
| 06:43.57 | jla | jdm cool. I haven't tried that |
| 06:44.04 | Wyzard | kevix: I know the packages are made -- the Ubuntu xorg packages are based on the Debian ones |
| 06:44.09 | The_Ball | i have used "testing" in my apt sources, has the testing branch been moved to sarge with the release of 3.1 ? |
| 06:44.11 | tictac | anyone use non-us packages? |
| 06:44.12 | kevix | Wyzard, no, its on a server at RPI |
| 06:44.19 | streuner | jm_: 2.10 isnt complete, AFAIK |
| 06:44.22 | bob2 | tictac: /topic, or read the release notes |
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| 06:44.36 | jla | jdm where's all your space then? big /var/www, /home, lots of packages in /usr? |
| 06:44.44 | Wyzard | kevix: ah... probably the maintainer's personal webspace or something |
| 06:44.45 | streuner | bob2: i didnt see you yesterday? |
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| 06:44.59 | supo | eloo all |
| 06:45.01 | jmd | jla: In a word 'yes'. |
| 06:45.04 | bob2 | streuner: ? |
| 06:45.09 | kevix | Wyzard, close... dillinger@debian.org |
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| 06:45.16 | supo | i ned help with raid controler |
| 06:45.17 | Wyzard | The_Ball: "testing" now represents a point beyond sarge |
| 06:45.22 | jla | fun stuff. going to add a 2nd drive then? |
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| 06:45.30 | Wyzard | The_Ball: If you want to use sarge, you should use either "sarge" or "stable" in your sources.list |
| 06:45.31 | KarlosII | what is the new name of testing now? |
| 06:45.39 | The_Ball | Wyzard, thank you |
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| 06:45.44 | supo | what driver i must use to HP Netraid-1Si ? |
| 06:45.48 | Wyzard | The_Ball: Do not do an upgrade while using testing, or you'll get software that is not part of sarge |
| 06:45.48 | streuner | bob2: well, we celerbrated sarge release... |
| 06:45.53 | Wyzard | KarlosII: etch |
| 06:45.54 | bob2 | KarlosII: etch |
| 06:46.01 | bob2 | streuner: it came out while I was asleep |
| 06:46.11 | KarlosII | etch <--- heh |
| 06:46.17 | TimeKilla | ok when i go to my game site i get this message by clickin on where i would normally see java: "This page contains information of a type (application/x-java-vm) that can only be viewed with the appropriate Plug-in." I'll assume that basically means I do not have java installed. Is there an easy method for installing java on here? |
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| 06:46.32 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: apt-cache show java-package |
| 06:46.36 | The_Ball | Wyzard, do you meen don't do an upgrade using testing now after the release of 3.1? |
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| 06:46.48 | kevix | bob2, you are not the only one... |
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| 06:47.00 | Wyzard | The_Ball: correct |
| 06:47.08 | robin_ | Is it wise to upgrade woody with dist-upgrade to sarge ? |
| 06:47.16 | TimeKilla | wyzard it says no packages found. |
| 06:47.18 | bob2 | robin_: read the release notes first |
| 06:47.21 | Wyzard | robin_: That's the intended upgrade path |
| 06:47.24 | jm_ | ahh gcc 4.0 is also in experimental only, not in sid |
| 06:47.24 | TimeKilla | Can I use apt-get to install java? |
| 06:47.27 | robin_ | bob2: ok |
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| 06:47.43 | jm_ | TimeKilla: you have my permission |
| 06:47.46 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: It's in contrib, not main... make sure you have contrib in your sources.list |
| 06:47.49 | streuner | robin_: /msg dpkg upgrade tests |
| 06:47.51 | kevix | robin_, as bob2 said... and use 'aptitude' not apt-get. |
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| 06:47.58 | bob2 | TimeKilla: there are packages available via apt which convert sun's java tarball to a package |
| 06:48.01 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: and it isn't in woody; I assume you're running sarge |
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| 06:48.12 | jm_ | bob2: I have told him about that, but he can't read it seems |
| 06:48.13 | bob2 | TimeKilla: sun's java isn't in debian, or easily available, because of sun's silly license |
| 06:48.22 | TimeKilla | i'm using sarge and this is my first day using debian.. always a windows sucker b4 |
| 06:48.26 | Wyzard | bob2: I just referred him to java-package |
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| 06:48.43 | chayoou | hello every body |
| 06:48.45 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: OK, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and where it says "main", put "contrib" after |
| 06:48.47 | bob2 | Wyzard: I know |
| 06:48.54 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Then "apt-get update", and you'll be able to install java-package |
| 06:48.57 | TimeKilla | thanx how do i edit that file? |
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| 06:49.24 | Wyzard | bob2: OK, sorry -- I thought you'd missed my comment and were about to start explaining the same thing |
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| 06:49.29 | kevix | TimeKilla, you have used 'vi' or 'emacs' ? |
| 06:49.40 | bob2 | Wyzard: no, just that bit :) |
| 06:49.41 | Mayhem | nano is the easy choice |
| 06:50.06 | MobyTurbo | TimeKilla: Debian comes with nano and nvi, nano, though less powerful, is easier and will suit you until you learn vi and/or emacs |
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| 06:50.26 | x2 | who would use testing as a live server here? |
| 06:50.34 | TimeKilla | lol how do i get out vi? |
| 06:50.34 | x2 | should i? |
| 06:50.34 | dbeal | assert(!vim_sucks == TRUE); |
| 06:50.37 | TimeKilla | hehe i ran it and am stuck |
| 06:50.39 | bob2 | x2: etch is identical to sarge |
| 06:50.42 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: Use vim, not nvi |
| 06:50.48 | bob2 | x2: there's no reason at all to use etch now |
| 06:50.55 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: <Esc> :q! |
| 06:51.03 | Mayhem | x2, testing is usually quite stable |
| 06:51.05 | articx | vim has syntax highlight |
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| 06:51.17 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: he's having a hard time figuring out apt-get, does he really want to wait until he learns vi to get everything to work? |
| 06:51.43 | x2 | bob2: i just want to use testing as a desktop for me. I want my server to have the latest software + security fixes... |
| 06:51.52 | TimeKilla | lmao |
| 06:51.55 | bob2 | x2: so, use sarge on the server |
| 06:52.00 | TimeKilla | I'm sitting in VI nd have no idea what to do |
| 06:52.05 | x2 | okay |
| 06:52.09 | TimeKilla | ESC isn't getting me out |
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| 06:52.13 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: I'm not saying TimeKilla should use vi, just that if one is going to use vi, one should use the vim implementation, not the nvi implementation |
| 06:52.13 | streuner | x2: sarge/stable is the right choice |
| 06:52.16 | bob2 | x2: then you get security updates. if you find you need something newer, then think about your options then |
| 06:52.25 | Mayhem | TimeKilla, <Wyzard> TimeKilla: <Esc> :q! |
| 06:52.48 | x2 | would you run testing as a server bob2? |
| 06:52.49 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: I mentioned nvi and nano, recommending the latter, simply because they don't need to be installed. |
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| 06:52.59 | dbeal | timekilla, try keys hjkl (move), i (edit), <Escape> (stop editing), :q (quit), :w (write), :help (help) |
| 06:53.00 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: I use vim too. |
| 06:53.02 | bob2 | x2: if I was willing to keep a close eye on it, yes |
| 06:53.04 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: ah, ok |
| 06:53.07 | kevix | x2, stable has security fixes. testing may have fixes but near its release. |
| 06:53.16 | bob2 | x2: right now there is no reason at all to use testing instead of sarge, they are bit for bit identical |
| 06:53.21 | bob2 | Wyzard: vim is a lot bigger |
| 06:54.01 | Wyzard | bah :-) |
| 06:54.03 | nullvoid | can samba server send file to a windows machine? |
| 06:54.04 | dbeal | timekilla, :syn on (christmas lights) |
| 06:54.21 | bob2 | nullvoid: no |
| 06:54.23 | x2 | bob2: i know they are both identical. i can't make up my mind, for the future |
| 06:54.25 | streuner | x2: packages coming pretty soon out of unstable to testing (etch) |
| 06:54.29 | The_Ball | bob2, how long will sarge and testing be identical? |
| 06:54.38 | TimeKilla | oh my |
| 06:54.39 | kevix | bob2, most people say 'vi' when they mean 'vim'! |
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| 06:54.44 | TimeKilla | I'm lost i try those commands. |
| 06:54.45 | streuner | maybe 1-2 weeks not more |
| 06:54.46 | TimeKilla | no luck |
| 06:54.47 | Wyzard | x2: Note that now that sarge is released, there are some big changes to be made in unstable which will eventually propagate down to testing and could potentially cause issues there for awhile |
| 06:54.48 | bob2 | The_Ball: until the scripts that move packages from unstable to testing start up again |
| 06:54.56 | bob2 | The_Ball: I don't think a date has been set yet |
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| 06:55.04 | The_Ball | ah, ok |
| 06:55.09 | nullvoid | bob2: if a print job sent to samba, is't possible to have download pop-up to get the file sent ? |
| 06:55.11 | MobyTurbo | TimeKilla: press escape, press :, type wq!, then you're out. |
| 06:55.16 | jla | Anyone have a link to an official or semi-official discussion or announcement of the removal of non-US. I know I read posts and such, but I cant find it in the release notes and am using poor google keywords. |
| 06:55.23 | bob2 | x2: well, I mean, there's no reason to decide now, they're the same :) use sarge, and if you find something newer that you want/need, then decide. |
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| 06:55.36 | Wyzard | x2: such as changing the default version of GCC, which will require recompiling *all* packages written in C++ |
| 06:55.37 | bob2 | jla: "crypto-in-main" is the key phrase |
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| 06:56.07 | bob2 | nullvoid: I don't know |
| 06:56.08 | x2 | i liked the security updates + latest software lol |
| 06:56.10 | bob2 | nullvoid: maybe #samba? |
| 06:56.16 | MobyTurbo | jla: non-US was invented to deal with a stupid US law concerning cryptograhpic software that has been repealed. |
| 06:56.20 | dbeal | timekilla, it's probably best NOT to practice on /etc/passwd while you are learning "vi" |
| 06:56.28 | sege | For how long will Woody be supported by the security team? Where can I find info about that? |
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| 06:56.28 | TimeKilla | lol i'm out |
| 06:56.30 | Wyzard | bob2: You mean the freeze technically hasn't ended yet? |
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| 06:56.37 | nullvoid | bob2: #samba sleep |
| 06:56.42 | bob2 | sege: I don't think they've made an announcement about that yet |
| 06:56.51 | bob2 | sege: potato was supported for 18 months after woody came out, tho |
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| 06:56.58 | bob2 | Wyzard: heh, I guess so |
| 06:57.00 | TimeKilla | Ok so now i got to edit my sources.list and put in contrib beside main |
| 06:57.07 | TimeKilla | what program is easiest editor? |
| 06:57.12 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Use nano |
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| 06:57.23 | nullvoid | TimeKilla: depends what you have |
| 06:57.31 | dbeal | timekilla, cat |
| 06:57.32 | TimeKilla | just type nano sources.list ? |
| 06:57.40 | streuner | nano should be on his sarge |
| 06:57.41 | jla | bob2 thank you |
| 06:57.44 | dbeal | echo "lala" > file |
| 06:57.44 | MobyTurbo | TimeKilla: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:57.50 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 06:57.57 | MobyTurbo | TimeKilla: do that su'ed to root |
| 06:58.01 | sege | bob2: oki, so I can sleep for like 12 months at least? =) |
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| 06:58.04 | kevix | TimeKilla, didn't you install gnome, then gedit |
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| 06:58.17 | bob2 | sege: heh, presumably the security team will make an announcement soon |
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| 06:58.37 | sege | bob2: I'll wait for them, thanks. |
| 06:58.44 | TimeKilla | cool ok i'm looking at my sources.list in nano and i want to make it so i can download java |
| 06:58.52 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Add contrib |
| 06:59.04 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Then save, quit nano, and "apt-get update" |
| 06:59.13 | TimeKilla | space then contrib beside main on each line? |
| 06:59.20 | Wyzard | correct |
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| 06:59.23 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 06:59.26 | TotalBF2|waTR | nick #waTR |
| 06:59.30 | TimeKilla | does that go for security as well? |
| 06:59.31 | waTR | dou |
| 06:59.38 | TimeKilla | or just my mirror sources? |
| 06:59.53 | MobyTurbo | TimeKilla: security too |
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| 06:59.58 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 07:00.06 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: You might also want to add "non-free" while you're at it, if you're not opposed to software that doesn't meet the terms of the Debian Free Software Guidelines |
| 07:00.22 | kevix | TimeKilla, check out: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 07:00.23 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: There are a few useful things in non-free |
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| 07:00.35 | waTR | [stupid question] I just want to make sure... the CD#1 is still all you need to install debian right? |
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| 07:00.48 | MobyTurbo | waTR: less than that, use netinst |
| 07:00.50 | Wyzard | waTR: You need even less than that, if you have an Internet connection available while installing |
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| 07:01.07 | waTR | MobyTurbo: oh good... I was starting to worry with the 14cds LOL |
| 07:01.07 | Wyzard | waTR: The "businesscard" install CD is around 50MB |
| 07:01.22 | waTR | Wyzard: hehe thats what I need... |
| 07:01.33 | kevix | waTR, debian makes cds by software popularity. so #1 has the most popular and basic software. |
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| 07:01.59 | TimeKilla | ok, in nano, how do i save the document i just edited? |
| 07:02.00 | Wyzard | but you don't need any of them if you're online |
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| 07:02.06 | waTR | kevix: yeah I prefer to get the packages as I need them from the net rather than CDs |
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| 07:02.10 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Ctrl-O, for some strange reason |
| 07:02.13 | MobyTurbo | TimeKilla: read the help on the screen |
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| 07:02.29 | TimeKilla | you guys rock. |
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| 07:02.31 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: If you quit (Ctrl-X) without saving, it'll ask you whether you want to save |
| 07:02.36 | TimeKilla | i got it |
| 07:02.44 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: The help on the screen says "^O WriteOut", which is kinda non-obviou |
| 07:02.51 | TimeKilla | back to a prompt.. so now i should be able to do a apt-get install JRE ? |
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| 07:03.05 | Wyzard | MobyTurbo: It makes sense when you think about it, but doesn't stand out when you're looking for "save" |
| 07:03.06 | foureyes779 | anyone know of security.debian.org is having probs ? |
| 07:03.06 | tarzeau | now we must double the number of packages in etch, 25.000 packages! |
| 07:03.07 | streuner | no |
| 07:03.12 | streuner | TimeKilla: /msg dpkg java |
| 07:03.16 | jm_ | tarzeau: haha |
| 07:03.25 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: apt-get install java-package |
| 07:03.26 | streuner | foureyes779: no |
| 07:03.27 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: man make-jpkg |
| 07:03.35 | streuner | foureyes779: why? |
| 07:03.40 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: But first, apt-get update |
| 07:03.41 | foureyes779 | streuner: ok, tnx |
| 07:03.49 | MobyTurbo | Wyzard: I never used nano frequently so I forgot about that. |
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| 07:04.02 | foureyes779 | streuner: just getting 404 error when apt-get update |
| 07:04.05 | streuner | OK http://security.debian.org sarge/updates/contrib Release |
| 07:04.26 | Wyzard | foureyes779: Are the 404s on non-US sources? |
| 07:04.27 | jla | MobyTurbo me either. I appreciate the help at the bottom when I do use it. |
| 07:04.47 | Wyzard | foureyes779: non-US has been removed; the packages it used to contain are now in main |
| 07:04.53 | foureyes779 | its telling me it cant find Packages |
| 07:04.58 | kevix | TimeKilla, check out: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 07:05.01 | streuner | foureyes779: post the first error here |
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| 07:05.11 | foureyes779 | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 07:05.19 | jla | foureyes http://wiki.debian.net/?SourcesList |
| 07:05.31 | Wyzard | foureyes779: OK, that's because now that sarge is released, the security support is for sarge, not for testing |
| 07:05.39 | foureyes779 | Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found |
| 07:05.43 | Wyzard | foureyes779: There are no security updates for testing |
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| 07:05.48 | foureyes779 | aah |
| 07:05.55 | AcidBurn18 | bonjour |
| 07:05.56 | foureyes779 | hat makes sense, tnx |
| 07:05.57 | MobyTurbo | !tell jla -about nicktab |
| 07:05.57 | streuner | deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 07:05.59 | AcidBurn18 | ya des francais? |
| 07:06.04 | Wyzard | !french |
| 07:06.04 | dpkg | Vous pouvez obtenir de l'aide sur Debian sur le canal #debian-fr - For help in french, please join #debian-fr |
| 07:06.11 | TimeKilla | wyzard: so once i'm done getting the java-package i use the man make-jpkg to do what? |
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| 07:06.45 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: You go to Sun's website and download Java (the .run file, not the .rpm) and run make-jpkg on it, and it builds a .deb file which you can then install |
| 07:07.03 | foureyes779 | tnx again streuner and Wyzard |
| 07:07.12 | jm_ | and make sure it's not SE edition |
| 07:07.19 | kevix | TimeKilla, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 07:07.27 | streuner | foureyes779: besides, testing has no security updates, security patches are compiled in the packages itself... |
| 07:07.45 | Wyzard | jm_: If you just want to run Java programs, and aren't doing development, there's no need to download the full JDK |
| 07:07.54 | jm_ | Wyzard: sure |
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| 07:08.16 | Wyzard | jm_: J2SDK == J2SE + compiler/debugger/etc. |
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| 07:08.22 | streuner | foureyes779: look at you sources.list again |
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| 07:08.30 | jm_ | Wyzard: I know what it is |
| 07:08.40 | TimeKilla | it says to install fakeroot is that necessary? |
| 07:08.49 | streuner | foureyes779: if you have 'testing' there, you are running pretty soon etch NOT stable / sarge then... |
| 07:09.04 | bob2 | TimeKilla: yes |
| 07:09.10 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 07:09.21 | kevix | TimeKilla, it allows to compile software without needing to be root. |
| 07:09.27 | TimeKilla | ohh |
| 07:09.35 | foureyes779 | streuner: so i should change testing to sarge in the sources.list ? |
| 07:09.41 | Wyzard | Well... it allows you to build Debian packages without needing to be root |
| 07:09.45 | TimeKilla | ok, i'm not running a server here so its not necessary but i will anyways |
| 07:09.46 | foureyes779 | or just for security ? |
| 07:09.48 | Wyzard | You don't need any special privileges just to run a compiler |
| 07:09.49 | jetscreamer | ~say debian is anti-as-much-as-you-can-get root |
| 07:09.51 | apt | debian is anti-as-much-as-you-can-get root |
| 07:10.05 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: You need it because make-jpkg builds a .deb file |
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| 07:10.19 | jla | foureyes779 if you are staying with sarge, change all testing to sarge |
| 07:10.20 | MobyTurbo | TimeKilla: make-jpkg refuses to run as root, you *have* to use fakeroot. |
| 07:10.24 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: and building a .deb involves doing some things "as root", which fakeroot is intended to help facilitate |
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| 07:10.35 | TimeKilla | thanx |
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| 07:10.54 | TimeKilla | i'll understand exactly what that means in a week or so LMAO.. just kinda got a fuzzy picture atm |
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| 07:11.48 | kevix | TimeKilla, my picture is still fuzzy... |
| 07:12.41 | Wyzard | TimeKilla: Once you have your .deb file, install it with "dpkg -i <whatever>.deb" |
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| 07:13.24 | kevix | Wyzard, cheers! |
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| 07:15.32 | scorpix | how can i make fluxbox the default window manager ? |
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| 07:16.05 | jm_ | scorpix: update-alternatives |
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| 07:16.28 | ralf | hi debian people |
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| 07:16.34 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives for the required switches |
| 07:16.35 | ralf | when sarge was released? |
| 07:16.42 | jetscreamer | last year... |
| 07:16.43 | jm_ | ralf: go to www.debian.org |
| 07:17.57 | scorpix | when i type update-alternatives --config x-window-manager i don't see fluxbox in the alternative list !!! |
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| 07:18.07 | jeff99 | So, how can i see which /dev file my serial mouse uploads its information to? |
| 07:18.30 | jm_ | did you check if your kernel has support for serial devices by now? |
| 07:18.43 | jeff99 | jm_, i didnt know eactly what to look for |
| 07:18.52 | jm_ | jeff99: cat /proc/devices |
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| 07:20.09 | kevix | scorpix, what does 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager' show ? |
| 07:20.14 | jeff99 | what should i look for jm_ |
| 07:20.18 | jm_ | scorpix: grep alternatives /var/lib/dpkg/info/fluxbox.* |
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| 07:20.28 | jm_ | jeff99: I have already told you - ttyS |
| 07:20.32 | Maliuta | alright, who broke the non-us archives? there are no links to testing or unstable there |
| 07:20.35 | jeff99 | 4 tts/%d |
| 07:20.39 | foureyes779 | heh |
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| 07:20.48 | scorpix | kevix: scorpix@debian:~$ ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
| 07:20.50 | jeff99 | i see that there jm_ |
| 07:20.51 | scorpix | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 2005-06-07 10:19 /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/fvwm2 |
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| 07:21.40 | silvy | hy,,, |
| 07:21.40 | mister_debian | hi |
| 07:21.40 | jm_ | jeff99: no, it has to say ttyS |
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| 07:22.09 | gromf | hello everybody |
| 07:22.23 | jeff99 | jm_ please look in #flood |
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| 07:22.36 | bob2 | Maliuta: /topic, or read the release notes |
| 07:24.43 | jeff99 | jm_ so does that mean that i dont have support for serial? |
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| 07:25.56 | Maliuta | hmmm http://anna.gerber.id.au/ is crashing firefox |
| 07:26.22 | SlayerCE | Maliuta: not here it isn't |
| 07:26.24 | jetscreamer | Maliuta: /topic no workee eh |
| 07:27.08 | mort | Maliuta: no it's not |
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| 07:27.29 | streuner | !listkeys release |
| 07:27.30 | bucky | crashes mine :( |
| 07:27.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'release' by key (15 of 26): 2.4.0 press release ;; CMD: when will (.*?) be released ;; debian release process ;; default release ;; gnome2 release ;; potato release ;; release codenames ;; release critical bugs graph ;; release-critical bugs ;; release_schedule ;; released ;; releases ;; sarge release ;; sarge release notes ;; woody release architectures. |
| 07:27.47 | sussudio | !listkeys badger |
| 07:27.48 | streuner | !sarge release notes |
| 07:27.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'badger' by key (15 of 16): !badger ;; CMD: badger (.*?) ;; CMD: badgersmite (.*?) ;; CMD: topicbadger (.*?) ;; badger/os ;; badgercam ;; badgerdot ;; badgerfaq ;; badgerknoppix ;; badgeros ;; badgers ;; badgers in heat ;; badgerwang ;; dead badger ;; pubtime badgers. |
| 07:27.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 07:28.19 | nullvoid | when I dpkg -l the displayed column are short, how do I get it displayed with more chars in a row? |
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| 07:28.58 | blah | hi, whats the differenec between the dvd down and cd? |
| 07:28.58 | jm_ | nullvoid: read the FAQ |
| 07:29.06 | blah | er |
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| 07:29.11 | nullvoid | which FAQ |
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| 07:29.19 | streuner | !faq |
| 07:29.19 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 07:29.24 | jm_ | read the topic to learn about the FAQ |
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| 07:29.33 | jeff99 | jm_ ok now we are in 2.6 |
| 07:29.46 | jeff99 | jm_ now how can i tell which tty my mouse is connected to |
| 07:29.49 | kevix | nullvoid, type 'COLUMNS=150 dpkg -l' |
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| 07:30.02 | tarzeau | jeff99: look where the mouse cable goes to |
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| 07:30.17 | streuner | nullvoid: /msg dpkg purge them all |
| 07:30.37 | streuner | nullvoid: as example |
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| 07:31.45 | TimeKilla | do i want the linux rpm self extracting file or the linux self extracting file for java. they are both bin files? |
| 07:31.56 | SlayerCE | TimeKilla: the latter |
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| 07:32.15 | bob2 | SlayerCE: they managed to fit your bitterness into a pocket-sized form factor? |
| 07:32.19 | TimeKilla | So get the one thats not RPM |
| 07:32.19 | kevix | Tik |
| 07:32.20 | TimeKilla | ? |
| 07:32.24 | kevix | TimeKilla, Once you agreed to the license presented to you, and have downloaded the file you will have something like jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin. |
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| 07:32.39 | SlayerCE | bob2: more "fun sized" |
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| 07:32.56 | SlayerCE | TimeKilla: i believe that's what I suggested, yes. |
| 07:33.30 | TimeKilla | what does RMP refer to? |
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| 07:33.44 | streuner | !rpm |
| 07:33.44 | dpkg | from memory, rpm is revolutions per minute, or Red Hat package manager;; "rpm2cpio foo.rpm | cpio -ivdum" to extract the beasties, or a programming language according to LinuxOne, or convert them to .deb's with 'alien'. Relaxing Porn Movie, or random package mangling, or an inferior package type when compared to deb. Rubbish Package Management. Retards pathetic Moaning, or roothats pathalogical muckfuck, or rat-poison method |
| 07:34.00 | TimeKilla | hehehe |
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| 07:34.27 | TimeKilla | thats cool.. i love the local bot |
| 07:34.27 | Skid | is the non-us just binary1.iso ? |
| 07:34.28 | Skid | (cd image) |
| 07:34.35 | kevix | TimeKilla, humor is a pre-requisite for running Free software! |
| 07:34.35 | TimeKilla | Ok.. any particular location i should save this bin file kevix? |
| 07:34.36 | pureone | dpkg is smart :P |
| 07:34.37 | mister_debian | NICK sarge_is_now |
| 07:34.42 | mister_debian | oops... |
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| 07:34.49 | bob2 | Skid: non-us is dead |
| 07:34.57 | Skid | oh |
| 07:34.57 | Skid | hm |
| 07:35.00 | bob2 | Skid: binary1 contains crypto stuff now |
| 07:35.07 | sarge_is_now | non-us is dead ? why ? |
| 07:35.08 | Skid | so what's the dvd, all cdimages? |
| 07:35.17 | kevix | TimeKilla, some folks make a directory 'downloaded' or some such. |
| 07:35.20 | bob2 | Skid: sarge won't fit on one single-sided dvd |
| 07:35.25 | TimeKilla | good enough.. thanx |
| 07:35.29 | Skid | normally I'd just of downloaded the 1st cd (non us) - so now do I just need binary1.iso ? |
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| 07:35.41 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 07:35.48 | Skid | yes to me? :) |
| 07:36.01 | SlicerDicer- | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ that would be where etch is located correct? or is sarge still there? |
| 07:36.05 | simonrvn | no, to the wall behind you |
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| 07:36.20 | bob2 | SlicerDicer-: etch doesn't really exist yet |
| 07:36.21 | eps | lol@topic |
| 07:36.24 | bob2 | SlicerDicer-: check back in a month |
| 07:36.34 | SlicerDicer- | bob2, will do :) |
| 07:36.44 | bob2 | sarge_is_now: http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain |
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| 07:37.27 | bucky | they took all the crypto packages out of sarge |
| 07:37.31 | SlicerDicer- | bob2, its to much a hassle to run sarge on my system :) I keep hoping to be able to go debian but I keep having to stick with ubuntu cause its way more up to date :/ |
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| 07:37.43 | bob2 | SlicerDicer-: ok! |
| 07:37.47 | bucky | no ssh... no ssl |
| 07:37.54 | MobyTurbo | bucky: no, they are mostly still there, they've just moved to main. |
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| 07:38.07 | bucky | i'm joking |
| 07:38.10 | MobyTurbo | bucky: ssh is part of the base system |
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| 07:38.13 | simon_ | since i've upgraded to sarge i'm getting errors when trying to run certain .cgi's in regards to libc.so.6 shared libraries and mapping thereof... what's a good place to start working on this problem? |
| 07:38.18 | MobyTurbo | bucky: SDNWOTN |
| 07:38.18 | bob2 | sarge_is_now: crypto stuff is in main now |
| 07:38.22 | Steven__ | has anyone attempted to migrate woody to sarge yet ? :) |
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| 07:38.41 | simonrvn | i'm sure have and will |
| 07:38.42 | kevix | simon_, check your error logs? |
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| 07:38.47 | simonrvn | some* |
| 07:39.24 | MobyTurbo | Steven__: I did when Sarge was still "testing". It should work even smoother since smooth migration was one of the release goals. |
| 07:39.30 | simon_ | kevix: it's having problems allocating memory so the errors say... |
| 07:39.32 | bucky | Steven__, /msg dpkg woody-->sarge |
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| 07:39.57 | bucky | Steven__, /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 07:40.29 | kevix | simon_, is it for static pages or certain apache modules? |
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| 07:40.48 | hyakuhei | mornning all, sorry for the simplicity of this question but apt-get dist-upgrade keeps hanging on proftpd, how do i tell apt to ignore proftpd? so i can do that manually later? |
| 07:40.53 | simon_ | kevix: apache modules |
| 07:41.15 | simon_ | kevix: i can show you the error in #flood if that helps you any |
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| 07:41.35 | kevix | simon_, I'm not an apache expert but sure... |
| 07:42.17 | Steven__ | bucky : thx :) |
| 07:42.23 | bucky | yup |
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| 07:42.46 | simon_ | kevix: and that happens with php scripts or compiled cgi's |
| 07:42.47 | Steven__ | I was wondering if anyone has attempted it though |
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| 07:43.30 | bucky | Steven__, all the time |
| 07:43.34 | jetscreamer | ok now how to get sarge to automatically 'install' updates |
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| 07:44.33 | Steven__ | bucky : with success ? |
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| 07:45.27 | bucky | Steven__, you might have to kick apt-get in the butt a couple of times and issue an apt-get -f install |
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| 07:45.44 | bob2 | simon_: you installed binary modules from outside debian? |
| 07:45.51 | Steven__ | bucky : ok, thx |
| 07:45.59 | jetscreamer | !xen |
| 07:45.59 | dpkg | xen is, like, A big iron tool for white-box PCs. Some say it's like IBM zSeries *NIX/390. Others say it's like VMware ESX Server. See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen ! -+Also takes 32 MB of RAM no matter what. |
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| 07:46.30 | simon_ | kevix: nope... maybe it has something to do with how /etc/apache*/modules.conf now exists in sarge and something isn't getting loaded? |
| 07:46.38 | Baard | Any other way to check where a package is installed from besided apt-cache policy <pkg> ? I want to know which packages that aren't from official mirrors :-) |
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| 07:46.38 | bob2 | jetscreamer: it's a virtualisation thing, to let you run multiple linux instances on the one system at the same time |
| 07:46.39 | joris | can anyone actually compare xen, UML and linux vserver? |
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| 07:47.27 | kevix | simon_, try running 'ldconfig' as root? |
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| 07:47.56 | FlopsyPete | so... when can I expect a wave of new software to hit Testing? |
| 07:48.18 | bob2 | when everyone sobers up |
| 07:48.25 | simon_ | kevix: nada... hrm. |
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| 07:48.30 | FlopsyPete | :) |
| 07:48.41 | simonrvn | ...ext week |
| 07:48.43 | simonrvn | n |
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| 07:50.04 | sagi | i have a box with fresh what-has-been testing version installed. i'm trying to upgrade to the official stable version using 'aptitude dist-upgrade' and it tries to replace postfix with exim4. how can i prevent that? |
| 07:50.20 | kevix | FlopsyPete, about 10 day? |
| 07:50.45 | jetscreamer | sagi: put the exim on hold |
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| 07:50.53 | monsoon | is there any good way to get packages and their dependecies on a nondebian system |
| 07:50.57 | jetscreamer | is a workaround |
| 07:51.05 | jetscreamer | !dselect |
| 07:51.06 | dpkg | somebody said dselect was a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 07:51.18 | deadcat | monsoon: no |
| 07:51.21 | jetscreamer | !aptitude |
| 07:51.21 | dpkg | aptitude is probably a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg11344.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 07:51.35 | bob2 | sagi: I'd try using the interactive aptitude mode |
| 07:51.44 | bob2 | sagi: so you can override it's bad decisions |
| 07:51.51 | bob2 | sagi: you did install postfix from the packegs, right? |
| 07:52.00 | sagi | yes, official package |
| 07:52.02 | kevix | simon_, can you run 'my_webpage.cgi' on the command line? '# perl my_webpage.cgi' if its perl. |
| 07:52.32 | kevix | monsoon, apt-zip ? |
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| 07:52.55 | monsoon | hhmm dont know it but Ill look thx kevix |
| 07:53.21 | liable | monsoon: you can get apt for other distros, no idea if works well though. |
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| 07:54.49 | bodq | does anyone here know why wxwidgets5.3 was removed from sid? (it says licence problems, I haven't heard of any) |
| 07:54.53 | bucky | sagi http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 07:54.57 | bucky | you can pin it |
| 07:55.03 | Guerin | bodq: read debian-legal |
| 07:55.07 | newbie | hey guys! i have a very basic question... where would i know the available disk space of my hard drive? |
| 07:55.13 | Guerin | newbie: df |
| 07:55.13 | SlayerCE | newbie: df |
| 07:55.28 | Bizawkled | :D |
| 07:55.36 | bob2 | bodq: http://ftp-master.debian.org/removals.txt |
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| 07:56.04 | newbie | thanks very much guys!!! |
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| 07:56.05 | jazzmans | so, dumbass question, but how do I change my /etc/apt/sources.list now that sarge is stable? My apt sources list has ... testing main. do I just change that to stable main? |
| 07:56.08 | simon_ | kevix: it's an actual C cgi. and the other stuff that isn't working is php based. (other php sites work. just not the ones trying to do webmail) |
| 07:56.27 | bob2 | jazzmans: yes |
| 07:56.28 | bucky | jazzmans, change it to sarge |
| 07:56.39 | ralf | newbie: you can use the -h switch with df, ls, du and others to show the size in kbytes, mbytes and gbytes |
| 07:56.43 | kevix | simon_, DID YOU RESTART apache? |
| 07:56.43 | ralf | example: -h |
| 07:56.44 | jazzmans | bucky, replace testing with sarge? |
| 07:56.55 | bucky | that's the best way |
| 07:57.00 | ralf | *df -h |
| 07:57.00 | gromf | I have a question about sarge : what about sata drives ? |
| 07:57.03 | simon_ | kevix: you mean after upgraed? yah... |
| 07:57.12 | SlayerCE | gromf: what about them? |
| 07:57.14 | kevix | simon, ohhhh. |
| 07:57.33 | sagi | well, a hold seems to have worked. however, it says few packages (such as hdparm and libx11-6) have been kept back. why is that? |
| 07:57.53 | bodq | Guerin: search gives no matches |
| 07:57.59 | gromf | SlayerCE: are they basely *well* supported ? |
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| 07:58.07 | bob2 | bodq: that page will list the reason why it was removed |
| 07:58.26 | bodq | bob2: it says, ROM, license issues |
| 07:58.33 | sagi | it's only aptitude btw, apt-get -s dist-upgrade suggests it'll install these packages |
| 07:58.34 | simon_ | kevix: ? |
| 07:58.35 | bodq | bob2: I already knew that :) |
| 07:58.43 | bob2 | bodq: presumably there's a bug in the bts on it then? |
| 07:58.50 | bodq | oh sorry I must go. please /msg me |
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| 07:59.45 | bucky | sagi, i prefer apt-get |
| 08:00.07 | XTF | Is there still an option to start the installer from DOS? |
| 08:00.18 | bucky | it's a personal choice.. they're all front ends for dpkg |
| 08:00.27 | bob2 | well |
| 08:00.32 | sagi | bucky: so do i, but aptitude is recommended by the release notes for this version, must be a reason |
| 08:00.42 | bob2 | aptitude is what the release nots recommend, since it is saner than apt-get |
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| 08:01.29 | bucky | some people don't use -u with apt-get and get in trouble i guess |
| 08:01.55 | sagi | so how can i check why it keeps back these packages? |
| 08:02.28 | bucky | i've had mixed results with aptitude like sagi is describing... i wouldn't want to replace my postfix with exim4 |
| 08:03.09 | afabian | The phrasing is funny. Whenever apt tells me that packages have been held back, I think of disadvantaged kids in ghetto movies being "held back." ;) |
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| 08:03.32 | bucky | sagi, i'd just apt-get -f install |
| 08:03.38 | bucky | and not worry about it |
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| 08:05.26 | scorpix | when i run firefox i got this error: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 08:05.30 | scorpix | Xlib: XDM authorization key matches an existing client! |
| 08:05.32 | scorpix | (firefox-bin:5080): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 08:05.57 | bucky | scorpix, how are you starting firefox? |
| 08:05.59 | simonrvn | stop running it as root |
| 08:06.01 | kevix | simon, well that's it for me... try debian-user or debian-debian mailing list . |
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| 08:06.13 | scorpix | bucky: by typing firefox in xterm |
| 08:06.18 | simon_ | kevix: thanks anyways |
| 08:06.36 | bucky | scorpix, listen to simonrvn ^^ |
| 08:06.41 | Guerin | scorpix: /exec -o whoami |
| 08:06.49 | Guerin | scorpix: in your irc client |
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| 08:07.03 | scorpix | scorpix |
| 08:07.05 | SNE | hmm.. i have two address on eth0. how can i force debian to use the first of them ? |
| 08:07.12 | scorpix | i didn't run it as a root |
| 08:07.19 | bucky | as su |
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| 08:07.32 | Guerin | scorpix: is the xterm you're trying to start firefox logged in as scorpix? |
| 08:07.41 | scorpix | Guerin: yes |
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| 08:08.02 | bucky | type whoami in the term |
| 08:08.10 | scorpix | Guerin: when i click on firefox icon in icewm in the botton panel it don't work also |
| 08:08.23 | kevix | SNE, is that setup in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:08.35 | scorpix | scorpix@debian:~$ whoami ; id |
| 08:08.36 | scorpix | scorpix |
| 08:08.36 | scorpix | uid=1000(scorpix) gid=1000(scorpix) groups=20(dialout),24(cdrom),25(floppy),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),1000(scorpix) |
| 08:08.38 | bucky | scorpix, which version of debian are you using? |
| 08:08.42 | pureone | open a new xterm it might work, sometimes if ive been in a term too long it wont open x based programs any more and moans about the magic cookie |
| 08:08.46 | scorpix | bucky: im on sid |
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| 08:08.56 | bucky | oh.. never mind |
| 08:08.59 | Guerin | scorpix: try a reinstall |
| 08:09.04 | pureone | hehe |
| 08:09.15 | Guerin | pureone: seriously? |
| 08:09.29 | scorpix | Guerin: i forget how to reinstall via apt |
| 08:09.37 | SNE | <kevix> indeed. eth0 & eth0:0 |
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| 08:10.00 | SNE | <kevix> i want to force it to use eth0 address and not eth0:0 |
| 08:10.01 | Guerin | scorpix: apt-get remove --purge mozilla-firefox && apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 08:10.02 | liable | holy shit, you run sid, and dont know how to re-install? |
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| 08:10.10 | pureone | guerin i thought you was making a joke telling him to reinstall the whole os.... |
| 08:10.25 | kevix | SNE, WHAT do you want to use eth0? |
| 08:10.27 | Guerin | pureone: what's wrong with that idea? |
| 08:10.36 | Guerin | i reinstall my debian at least once a month |
| 08:10.40 | Guerin | otherwise it gets too slow |
| 08:10.52 | liable | eh? |
| 08:10.58 | Guerin | yeah man |
| 08:11.05 | Guerin | it's way faster without all the cruft |
| 08:11.05 | liable | Guerin: whys that? |
| 08:11.07 | SNE | <kevix> i have two address attached to eth0. it is importent to me that all request will get out of eth0 as the first address |
| 08:11.08 | pureone | i try to keep mine running as long as i can, if i mess it up then ill reinstall |
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| 08:11.18 | bob2 | Guerin: have you reinstalled your woody machine with sarge yet? |
| 08:11.21 | worker | I have a question about the debian way ... |
| 08:11.22 | Guerin | like dotfiles and packages stuck in the apt cache |
| 08:11.38 | worker | Is it called "social contact" ? |
| 08:11.40 | Guerin | bob2: yeah, I did that one just after security went online |
| 08:11.42 | worker | contract, even. |
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| 08:11.49 | kevix | SNE, are your takling about default route? |
| 08:11.51 | bob2 | worker: there is a "social contract", yes |
| 08:11.58 | bucky | worker, we're socialists |
| 08:12.05 | Guerin | bob2: about time for a reinstall, now |
| 08:12.19 | Guerin | that one's tricker because it's not local.... running debian can be such a pain sometimes |
| 08:12.22 | worker | I wonder if an application who forbids people to sell it for a fee, is accepted in main? |
| 08:12.30 | viyyer | !debian sarge |
| 08:12.32 | Guerin | worker: absolutely not |
| 08:12.32 | bob2 | worker: that's non-free |
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| 08:12.43 | kevix | bucky, some are more social than other! |
| 08:12.46 | viyyer | !dpkgge |
| 08:12.48 | pureone | debians the easyest linux distro ive had to maintain, gentoo is a pain |
| 08:12.49 | worker | Even if its possible to distribute it like you want otherwise? |
| 08:12.51 | viyyer | !dpkg sarge |
| 08:12.52 | dpkg | from memory, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... |
| 08:12.52 | bucky | kevix, good one |
| 08:12.57 | Guerin | worker: read the dfsg |
| 08:13.06 | opqdonut | how can i masquerade my firefox as IE? |
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| 08:13.19 | bob2 | worker: that's non-free. how do I sell Debian cds with your software on it? |
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| 08:13.26 | worker | Guerin: Just making sure .. thats how I read it... however, I found an application who seems to be in conflict with this, so I am examining it better. |
| 08:13.32 | SNE | <kevix> nope. eth0 is 194.90.1.2 eth0:0 is 194.90.1.3. I want all outgoing traffice will be id as 194.90.1.2 |
| 08:13.33 | patad | go sarge! |
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| 08:13.51 | bob2 | worker: basically, convince the author to release it under the GPL or the MIT/X license |
| 08:13.55 | worker | bob2: Its not my software .. |
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| 08:14.10 | bob2 | worker: yes, I know |
| 08:14.15 | Guerin | worker: that would fail Freedom 2 of the FSF definition |
| 08:14.16 | kevix | SNE, then you have to set up eth0 as the default route. not an expert on routing... |
| 08:14.17 | worker | bob2: How can I check if a package is in main? |
| 08:14.30 | bob2 | worker: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 08:14.42 | worker | I need to surf? |
| 08:14.49 | kevix | worker, apt-cache info PKGNAME ? |
| 08:14.50 | bob2 | worker: or use apt-cache |
| 08:14.54 | bob2 | but I'd assume you'd know that |
| 08:14.55 | SNE | it is the default route |
| 08:15.28 | worker | bob2: No .. I didn't know .. thats why I asked. :-) |
| 08:15.37 | bob2 | apt-cache show blah |
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| 08:16.02 | worker | ahh .. its optional |
| 08:16.08 | kevix | worker, have you ever read any articles about Free software philosopy? |
| 08:16.08 | worker | good |
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| 08:16.21 | andre | faskfdjlkajroiqwhroiqwr |
| 08:16.25 | bob2 | worker: optional is part of main |
| 08:16.28 | worker | kevix: A little, yes. I like it so far. :-) |
| 08:16.34 | kevix | worker, like from Richard Stallman, Eric Raymond? |
| 08:16.37 | worker | bob2: So its still not beloning there? |
| 08:16.46 | Guerin | eric raymond is Open Source, not free software |
| 08:16.53 | bob2 | worker: no one considers software you can't charge for to be free or open source |
| 08:16.53 | kevix | worker, what's not to like? |
| 08:16.57 | bob2 | even crackpots like OSI |
| 08:17.06 | worker | kevix: I havn't read much from Eric, except his dictionary, which I like much. His smart questions, and how to hack. |
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| 08:17.12 | bob2 | worker: it could go in the non-free section of debian |
| 08:17.24 | Subvertir | SARGE HAS BEEN RELEASED! |
| 08:17.25 | kevix | Guerin, yes I know, but I read 'the cathederal and the bazaar'. |
| 08:17.27 | bob2 | worker: but that doesn't end up on the cds, isn't "officially" part of debian, etc |
| 08:17.37 | worker | bob2: Is there an extablished way of finding the nick name of a maintainer? |
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| 08:17.52 | bob2 | worker: on irc? http://db.debian.org/ |
| 08:17.57 | SNE | I wonder. now that sarge has been release. i should point the source file ( apt ) to stable and not testing ? |
| 08:18.02 | Guerin | worker: apt-cache show tells you everything you need to know about aa package |
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| 08:18.21 | bob2 | SNE: doesn't matter right now, they are the same for now |
| 08:18.25 | worker | Guerin: The maintainer line? |
| 08:18.47 | SNE | what about woody ? apt-get upgrade will take it up to sarge ? |
| 08:18.50 | Guerin | worker: yeah. the bit before the @debian.org is typically how they're known on official debian stuff |
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| 08:19.02 | opqdonut | SNE: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 08:19.04 | Guerin | worker: when their real name isn't being used, natch. |
| 08:19.10 | SNE | thanks |
| 08:19.12 | opqdonut | !woody->sarge |
| 08:19.12 | kevix | worker, free software is about community, not just software. |
| 08:19.14 | bob2 | SNE: please read the release notes first |
| 08:19.15 | worker | Hmm .. no nick "gurkan" ... |
| 08:19.23 | bob2 | worker: that's tarzeau |
| 08:19.27 | worker | bob2: Ok |
| 08:19.31 | Guerin | worker: heh. That would be our own tarzeau |
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| 08:20.13 | tarzeau | worker: that's me |
| 08:20.34 | bob2 | "two months off" is my obsessive song of the day |
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| 08:20.51 | simon_ | has anyone had nameserver problems since they upgraded to sarge from woody? |
| 08:21.02 | aniseed | sorry to intrude, i don't know how to make a kernel module load on startup. could anyone tell me where to find info on this? |
| 08:21.02 | Guerin | mine is Gouge Away |
| 08:21.08 | bob2 | Guerin: by? |
| 08:21.09 | Guerin | my brain feels gouged away |
| 08:21.13 | jm_ | aniseed: man modules |
| 08:21.13 | Guerin | bob2: pixies |
| 08:21.14 | bob2 | aniseed: add it to /etc/modules |
| 08:21.16 | bob2 | Guerin: ah |
| 08:21.26 | aniseed | oh, cheers. |
| 08:21.31 | Guerin | i have heatstroke from sitting and drinking beer in the sun |
| 08:21.44 | bob2 | hah |
| 08:21.46 | bob2 | and eating whales |
| 08:22.09 | Guerin | naw, i can't blame the whales for that |
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| 08:23.20 | ircdevil | ahahahahahaaah - at last! |
| 08:23.35 | mediafly | Hi, where's Java installed by default? I need this information for Opera |
| 08:23.41 | bob2 | mediafly: it's not |
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| 08:23.51 | bob2 | mediafly: you need to go jump through some hoops to install it |
| 08:24.10 | Guerin | oh god, as if java and opera weren't bad enough on their own |
| 08:24.12 | MobyTurbo | mediafly: /msg dpkg java |
| 08:24.15 | pureone | ok so whats stable and unstable now ? |
| 08:24.20 | kevix | mediafly, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 08:24.25 | simon_ | how do you change colors in vim? |
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| 08:24.44 | mediafly | bob2, what does it mean in detail? |
| 08:24.47 | kevix | simon_, :syntax on |
| 08:24.48 | bob2 | pureone: stable = sarge, unstable = sid |
| 08:24.53 | monsoon | you shhould google add vim highlighting or something |
| 08:24.54 | mediafly | MobyTurbo, dpkg java - dpkg: need an action option |
| 08:24.58 | XTF | testing = etch |
| 08:25.07 | bob2 | mediafly: it means you won't have java until you install it, and then you will know where it is |
| 08:25.16 | MobyTurbo | mediafly: /msg the "dpkg" bot in IRC |
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| 08:25.23 | Guerin | !hi |
| 08:25.23 | dpkg | hello, guerin |
| 08:25.28 | kevix | mediafly, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 08:25.29 | Guerin | see? Bot. |
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| 08:25.40 | pureone | bob2 how comes sarge is now stable but sid is still unstable ? |
| 08:25.49 | Guerin | !faq pureone |
| 08:25.49 | dpkg | pureone: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 08:25.51 | simon_ | whats it mean when you get an error from named that the serial number is too big? |
| 08:25.57 | simon_ | i've never had that before |
| 08:26.05 | SlayerCE | simon_: you have one too many digits |
| 08:26.07 | bucky | simon_, you don't like the colors.. or you want some colors? |
| 08:26.23 | SlayerCE | simon_: use YYYYMMDDRR |
| 08:26.40 | mediafly | kevix, thx I'll take a look on that |
| 08:26.55 | simon_ | bucky: it's actually elvis but the colors of the main text are now black since i dist-upgraded to sarge |
| 08:26.57 | mediafly | bob2, are there no Debian packages for java |
| 08:26.59 | ircdevil | hmmm - a lot of factoids needs updating after the sarge release |
| 08:27.13 | Guerin | !tell mediafly about java |
| 08:27.25 | anhi | since sarge is out now release the xorg packages to testing :D |
| 08:27.26 | bob2 | pureone: sid will always be unstable |
| 08:27.31 | bucky | simon_, maybe uncomment the color lines in .bashrc |
| 08:27.36 | simon_ | SlayerCE: i have been using YYYMMDDRRR because sometimes we make more than a 99 changes... but now named isnt working properly since the upgrade |
| 08:27.36 | bob2 | mediafly: correct, java's license is dodgy |
| 08:27.56 | kevix | anhi, xorg is not even in experimetanal yet! |
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| 08:28.15 | Guerin | experimenatal |
| 08:28.23 | simon_ | bucky: it's not a term problem... it's only specific to elvis the vi clone. |
| 08:28.30 | bucky | ok |
| 08:28.46 | simonrvn | do-wah do-wah, elvis, the vi clone |
| 08:29.23 | Guerin | itym :dw :dw |
| 08:29.39 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:29.48 | simonrvn | 'oh baby, gimme some loooove' |
| 08:30.08 | Guerin | sorry, my vi-fu is too weak for that |
| 08:30.18 | Guerin | i could emacsify it though |
| 08:30.28 | simonrvn | :bnext |
| 08:30.47 | bob2 | simon_: you update a zone more than 99 times a day? |
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| 08:31.27 | simonrvn | bob2: of course ;p |
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| 08:31.41 | simon_ | bob2: i wasn't aware that you changed the entire serial number every time you changed your zone file ;P i have been used changing the RRR values |
| 08:31.49 | worker | tarzeau: Your package, Timemon.app ? |
| 08:32.02 | ketzal | hello all |
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| 08:32.22 | simonrvn | tarzeau actually does a lot of the gnustep packages AFAICT |
| 08:32.31 | simon_ | has nobody had problems with bind since they've upgraded to sarge? |
| 08:32.43 | worker | simonrvn: I see the name G??rkan a lot in them. :-) |
| 08:32.45 | gahan | what happened to non-US and security.d.o ? |
| 08:33.04 | Guerin | simon_: nope, but then my zones never change |
| 08:33.07 | gahan | ok non-us is explained in topic |
| 08:33.09 | worker | simonrvn: "Gürkan" even (probably an utf-8 issue) |
| 08:33.13 | bob2 | simon_: is a serial that long actually valid? |
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| 08:33.36 | simonrvn | ah, better. i can see it now |
| 08:33.37 | simon_ | bob2: i duno it's been working... i'll chnage it and find out... |
| 08:33.40 | bob2 | heh |
| 08:33.44 | mediafly | kevix, using the instruction in the article I could install java successfully. thx |
| 08:33.55 | bob2 | I vaguely remember hearing about bind9 bitching about longer serial numbers |
| 08:34.17 | worker | tarzeau: ping? |
| 08:34.28 | kevix | mediafly, its maintained by debian developer steve kemp. |
| 08:34.39 | ketzal | problems while upgrading to sarge: what 'Dynamic MMap ran out of room' error means? |
| 08:35.06 | Guerin | !mmap |
| 08:35.07 | dpkg | [dynamic mmap] "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 08:35.37 | bob2 | that error means your sources.list is ridiculously long |
| 08:35.39 | ketzal | Guerin: thanks! |
| 08:35.44 | gahan | if i want to keep using security updates for ``testing'' i need to wait until symlinks appear on security.d.o or security updates became part of main too? |
| 08:35.55 | bob2 | gahan: testing doesn't have security updates |
| 08:36.03 | gahan | hm |
| 08:36.05 | gahan | ok |
| 08:36.06 | bob2 | gahan: well, aside from the ones that come down from sid |
| 08:36.09 | kevix | Guerin, is this a 'rite of passage'? or is there a reason not to make a default value large enough? |
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| 08:36.15 | bob2 | maybe that will change in the etch release cycle |
| 08:36.25 | worker | bob2, Guerin, kevix, tarzeau : Should I simply file a bugreport? And should it be critical, grave, or wishlist? |
| 08:36.28 | Guerin | kevix: I'm not sure. |
| 08:36.35 | Guerin | kevix: it doesn't happen often |
| 08:36.59 | bob2 | worker: I somehow missed your original question...you've found some piece of software in debian main has a proviso that it can't be sold? |
| 08:37.09 | Guerin | worker: which package? |
| 08:37.11 | worker | bob2: I think I do |
| 08:37.20 | worker | bob2: Maybe its my english that defect? |
| 08:37.34 | worker | bob2: Lemme paste the line |
| 08:37.49 | kevix | worker, what does 'locale' say ? |
| 08:38.16 | worker | kevix: locale? |
| 08:38.22 | worker | The License |
| 08:38.22 | worker | Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software |
| 08:38.22 | worker | and its documentation for any purpose and without fee is hereby |
| 08:38.27 | worker | granted, provided that this copyright notice appear in all copies. |
| 08:38.38 | worker | Sorry .. I hoped to pasted that on one line. |
| 08:38.41 | tarzeau | worker: pong |
| 08:38.45 | tarzeau | worker: what's with timemon.app ? |
| 08:38.47 | kevix | worker, isnt you error about a word not showing the correct character set? |
| 08:38.47 | worker | irssi isn't as good. |
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| 08:39.05 | worker | tarzeau: It appears to me as if you cannot sell it, so maybe it should move to non-free. |
| 08:39.23 | worker | tarzeau: I really do like the package, though, btw. :-) |
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| 08:39.25 | tarzeau | worker: let me check , wait |
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| 08:39.40 | tarzeau | worker: you use it in windowmaker , know #gnustep ? |
| 08:39.53 | worker | Yeah, I use windowmaker |
| 08:40.03 | worker | Very fast, and minimizable desktop. :-) |
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| 08:40.21 | tarzeau | worker: oh let me try to clarify this licensing ok? |
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| 08:40.40 | worker | tarzeau: So I don't need to file a bug report then? :-) |
| 08:40.51 | ketzal | bye all |
| 08:41.11 | tarzeau | worker: you can, but i have it in my todo already |
| 08:41.16 | worker | tarzeau: I can file one if you like, but I thought if you were on IRC, it was easier to just tell you. :-) |
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| 08:41.24 | tarzeau | worker: no i don't like bugs on my packages |
| 08:41.36 | worker | Good. :-) |
| 08:41.39 | tarzeau | worker: yes i prefer irc bugreports, it's already in clarification btw :) |
| 08:41.48 | worker | :) |
| 08:41.50 | sewi | hello all, what is the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 08:41.53 | kevix | worker, I found this ITP notice: http://lists.debian.org/debian-wnpp/2005/01/msg00825.html |
| 08:41.56 | tarzeau | !UBUNTO |
| 08:41.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg |
| 08:42.05 | tarzeau | sewi: PLEASE, find out yourself |
| 08:42.12 | tarzeau | sewi: www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
| 08:42.28 | worker | sewi: ubuntu is build on debian. We know debian, we don't know ubuntu. #ubuntu probably know both. |
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| 08:42.49 | tarzeau | worker: ubuntu is only a user of debian |
| 08:43.04 | worker | tarzeau: OK, I didn't even know that. :-) |
| 08:43.25 | worker | tarzeau: I have an Ubuntu CD at home, i wanna try out. |
| 08:43.27 | kevix | worker, when packages are added, they are checked for license violations. |
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| 08:43.46 | ralf | Internal Server Error at http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg |
| 08:43.56 | ralf | i want to see that pic |
| 08:44.03 | Remmy | If I want to copy a useraccount from one system to the other, what do I need to copy to ensure the same password for that account? |
| 08:44.04 | worker | Guerin: Sorry for answering late .. its the "Timemon.app" package, but apparently tarzeau already has it in his TODO. :-) |
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| 08:44.35 | [bathat] | where does debian store all the startup output to? |
| 08:44.40 | worker | kevix: tarzeau is the maintainer, he already has this on his TODO it seems. |
| 08:44.57 | tarzeau | [bathat]: it doesn't |
| 08:45.02 | [bathat] | oh |
| 08:45.07 | [bathat] | darn |
| 08:45.10 | isam | does the latest 2.6 kernel in Sarge support IPSec out of the box ? |
| 08:45.12 | tarzeau | kevix: sometimes, things slip through |
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| 08:45.15 | [bathat] | it would be interesting to be able to look at it |
| 08:45.17 | simonrvn | bootlogd, dmesg |
| 08:45.37 | simonrvn | /var/logboot, /var/log/dmesg |
| 08:45.49 | d03boy | I need help with figuring out how to run a vnc server so that I can access it via windows machine |
| 08:45.52 | simonrvn | s,gb,g/b, |
| 08:45.56 | worker | [bathat]: dmesg, /var/log/[syslog|message|debug|kernlog|*] |
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| 08:46.04 | [bathat] | thanks |
| 08:46.08 | [bathat] | bootlogd: cannot find console device 136:7 in /dev |
| 08:46.19 | simon_ | how do i change the default fonts for the terminal? |
| 08:46.19 | Nigel | hmmmm any reason why after reconfiguring X that my backspace key nolonger works |
| 08:46.23 | Nigel | it's really annoying |
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| 08:46.57 | d03boy | Nigel, try ctrl+h? |
| 08:47.12 | Nigel | d03boy: that works |
| 08:47.30 | kevix | tarzeau, yes. But the upstream author doesn't sound hostile, he/she just wants credit! |
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| 08:47.42 | tarzeau | kevix: true, i sent him an email |
| 08:48.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 835] by debhelper |
| 08:48.20 | tarzeau | kevix: the last i got from him is, he has it on his mirror, but nothing to do with openstep anymore, and doesn't care. #gnustep has ported it to GNUstep... |
| 08:48.30 | cor3 | I'm currently a gentoo user can anyone tell mewhy I should use debian instead? |
| 08:48.40 | tarzeau | cor3: www.debian.org/intro/why_debian |
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| 08:48.53 | tarzeau | cor3: emerge on debian is so much faster! adn it's called apt-get install |
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| 08:49.22 | worker | cor3: Alternately, you might wanna try out LFS, its even more hairy than gentoo. |
| 08:49.23 | kevix | tarzeau, didn't you hear about 'debtoo'? |
| 08:49.31 | tarzeau | kevix: it doesn't do anything. vapor |
| 08:49.45 | kevix | tarzeau, 'deb from scratch'? |
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| 08:50.01 | tarzeau | kevix: heard it, seriously, there's a reason why i use binaries |
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| 08:50.05 | eps | is any one aware of a program that allows file sharing, searching of shared files, and downloading etc with a chat component? we require one at work of simple doc transfer (to take the load off email servers) and google search only really returns p2p apps - none of which you can obtain servers for. mac/lin/win compatible would be liked, though windows only is fine (wine can emulate :P) |
| 08:50.06 | honschu | Is there a directory where I can find infos for local debian-release-parties? |
| 08:50.13 | worker | !tell cor3 about LFS |
| 08:50.20 | tarzeau | kevix: no time for wasting time here -- but if you want to play some http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ... |
| 08:50.20 | eps | s/of/for* |
| 08:50.28 | tarzeau | honschu: where? |
| 08:50.32 | worker | !tell cor3 about Linux From Scratch |
| 08:50.43 | honschu | tarzeau: Germany, Bodensee |
| 08:50.48 | tarzeau | eps: i'd use wiki and irc |
| 08:50.58 | tarzeau | honschu: isn't that near to zurich? |
| 08:51.05 | worker | !nexuiz |
| 08:51.07 | eps | tarzeau then you haven't been in a company with 100 or so windows newbies :| |
| 08:51.08 | Ramonskie | which ftp server is the easiest and best to install?? |
| 08:51.15 | honschu | tarzeau: One hour to drive I think. |
| 08:51.17 | bencer | what is the debian way to set gcc flags when you build a package with dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 08:51.20 | tarzeau | eps: am i glad i'm not :) |
| 08:51.21 | worker | Who is packaging nexuiz for sarge? ;-) |
| 08:51.25 | eps | tarzeau haha :) |
| 08:51.27 | tarzeau | honschu: there's one in zurich, see www.lug-ag.ch |
| 08:51.32 | tarzeau | worker: YOU! |
| 08:51.36 | honschu | tarzeau: ah cool ! THX!!! |
| 08:51.36 | kneet_ | exim4 - outgoing mail - address failure for one domain with "all relevant MX records point to non-existent hosts" - but host -t MX domain gives a host - and telnet to port 25 on that host works ? |
| 08:51.39 | worker | tarzeau: hehe :-) |
| 08:51.40 | tarzeau | Ramonskie: proftpd |
| 08:51.44 | jm_ | bencer: that largely depends on build system as used by the original package |
| 08:51.52 | Nigel | I just tried dpkg-reconfigure again, same results Re: Backspace |
| 08:51.56 | worker | tarzeau: I am no packager .. I only packaged one package, and noone likes to sponsor NMU. |
| 08:52.00 | worker | !maint jde |
| 08:52.12 | Ramonskie | tarzeau:: that one gives me an error at startup |
| 08:52.23 | tarzeau | Ramonskie: RTFM :) |
| 08:52.29 | [bathat] | dmesg, syslog, etc all seem to be missing things |
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| 08:52.47 | Ramonskie | \:( |
| 08:52.51 | Nigel | Remmy: Above, it works now, KDE got some werid idea about my keymay |
| 08:52.56 | Nigel | *keymap |
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| 08:53.03 | kevix | honschu, just ask one of the debian developers in germany? |
| 08:53.10 | marker | http://www.formorer.de/blogs/uploads/phd-sarge.png - fun if your used to phd |
| 08:53.19 | bencer | jm_: i'm compiling some packges and i want to set some special gcc flags, no the flags used in the debian builds |
| 08:53.22 | Ramonskie | proftpd gives me this error Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - Fatal: LsDefaultOptions: deprecated. Use ListOptions instead on line 22 of '/etc/proftpd.conf' |
| 08:53.34 | jm_ | bencer: so find out what build system it uses |
| 08:53.35 | nullvoid | hi all |
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| 08:54.14 | kevix | worker, did you check in the debian-mentors list or on debian-devel ? |
| 08:54.30 | worker | !maint jde |
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| 08:54.52 | worker | kevix: The problem is, I probably wont be much more available than the original maintainer .. |
| 08:55.14 | tarzeau | worker: nobody really cares about non-free and contrib |
| 08:55.23 | tarzeau | or java :) |
| 08:55.31 | worker | tarzeau: Esp. java. ;-) |
| 08:55.32 | kevix | worker, how about asking to 'co-maintain' ? |
| 08:55.56 | worker | tarzeau: Though, GNU classpath is much better. |
| 08:56.01 | bencer | jm_: yes this is found by dpkg-architecture but i don't want to change the debian rules, i'd like to use something like an environment variable |
| 08:56.06 | tarzeau | worker: do you also use the other gnustep software? Gorm for development? |
| 08:56.07 | [bathat] | when looking at syslog, etc i see nothing about trying to start the firewall, which i've recently purged and would like to see what exactly is going on |
| 08:56.12 | worker | kevix: I will soon lose my email. |
| 08:56.17 | tarzeau | worker: GNUstep FoundationKit and ApplicationKit are fantastic |
| 08:56.28 | [bathat] | dmesg isn't exactly what i want either, it seems |
| 08:56.32 | tarzeau | [bathat]: ipkungfu? shorewall? which? |
| 08:56.38 | worker | tarzeau: I use emacs for development. I saw a movie or something of gorm - real impressive! |
| 08:56.42 | tarzeau | [bathat]: no it's not, and i told you |
| 08:56.44 | [bathat] | firestarter |
| 08:56.45 | kevix | worker, theres always yahoo or gmail? |
| 08:57.02 | [bathat] | tarzeau: ok, i guess i misunderstood |
| 08:57.02 | worker | kevix: Is there a fetchmail for gmail? |
| 08:57.11 | [bathat] | that's too bad |
| 08:57.36 | deadcat | worker: using python |
| 08:57.43 | worker | tarzeau: It would be cool if Scott made timemon GPL. :-D |
| 08:58.01 | kevix | worker, all i found is: python-libgmail - Python bindings to access Gmail accounts |
| 08:58.06 | tarzeau | worker: that's what i was asking him in the mail... |
| 08:58.15 | jeff99 | jm_, are you there |
| 08:58.20 | jm_ | jeff99: yes |
| 08:58.31 | tarzeau | kevix: do you like TextEdit.app ? |
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| 08:58.49 | jeff99 | jm_, i cleaned out the computer case and tightend up some connections...now it seems like its actually loading up game ports/serial devices on boot |
| 08:58.54 | tarzeau | s/kevix/worker/ |
| 08:58.54 | [bathat] | so i guess i'm out of luck then |
| 08:58.55 | eleusis | hello |
| 08:59.00 | jm_ | jeff99: does it work in BIOS? |
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| 08:59.11 | jeff99 | jm_ when i do gpm it works fine :) |
| 08:59.15 | jeff99 | thanks much |
| 08:59.21 | jm_ | jeff99: cool, you only need gpm for console |
| 08:59.34 | jeff99 | right |
| 08:59.42 | jeff99 | now i have to get it to work with my bare bones x server |
| 08:59.50 | eleusis | i'm wondering.. is the kernel in the kernel-image-2.6.11-1-686 package built with all options enabled? |
| 08:59.57 | worker | tarzeau: I have not used it much yet, it seems nice, but mostly I open text documents in emacs. |
| 08:59.59 | jm_ | jeff99: /dev/input/mice and protocol ExplorerPS/2 |
| 09:00.12 | jm_ | eleusis: why don't you check? |
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| 09:00.19 | kevix | eleusis, no kernel is... |
| 09:00.23 | eleusis | hmm |
| 09:00.25 | worker | tarzeau: If I have a running emacs that is .. I don't like to boot emacs, just to view a text document. ;-) |
| 09:00.45 | eleusis | jm_: i'm not sure how to check without installing the deb ;) |
| 09:00.48 | kevix | eleusis, but most debian kernels have sane defaults! |
| 09:01.04 | eleusis | heh |
| 09:01.11 | jm_ | eleusis: download the deb, look at the config file for kernel that's in there |
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| 09:01.20 | eleusis | hmm ok |
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| 09:01.29 | Ramonskie | proftpd gives me this error Starting ProFTPD ftp daemon: - Fatal: LsDefaultOptions: deprecated. Use ListOptions instead on line 22 of '/etc/proftpd.conf' ## |
| 09:01.43 | tarzeau | Ramonskie: edit /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 09:01.55 | Ramonskie | to what?? |
| 09:01.57 | tarzeau | worker: wanna try Emacs.app ? |
| 09:02.12 | Ramonskie | i have linne 22 in front of me |
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| 09:02.14 | tarzeau | worker: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/emacs/ |
| 09:02.15 | bucky | replace LsDefaultOptions with ListOptions ? |
| 09:02.19 | Ramonskie | k |
| 09:02.36 | simonrvn | Ramonskie: read the fricking error message |
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| 09:03.38 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 09:03.50 | Ramonskie | :$ |
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| 09:04.36 | Aronofsky | got a little pb with cacti, I installed it, it works but the is that i can launch my php polling scripts only as root, if i launch it as cacti user i get error message |
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| 09:04.57 | jeff99 | jm_ how can i test it in x? i only have a bare bones X server installed. sohould the black X be able to move when my mouse moves? |
| 09:05.09 | jm_ | jeff99: yes |
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| 09:05.54 | K_Dallas | tarzeau, sorry to ask but what is that emacs.app? how is it different than the normal emacs or it is the normal emacs? thanks |
| 09:06.25 | kevix | jeff99, if you installed x-window-system-core, you should have twm window manager installed. |
| 09:06.27 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: it's not using x11, but ns (NeXTSTEP) |
| 09:06.37 | K_Dallas | i see. thanks |
| 09:06.40 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: look at the its homepage for screenshots |
| 09:06.51 | jeff99 | kevix, thats what i installed |
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| 09:07.04 | Garp | Hi. |
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| 09:07.09 | jeff99 | jm_ you sure about that mouse device? |
| 09:07.09 | K_Dallas | ok, i am going to. thank you |
| 09:07.13 | Garp | I'm looking for help about GNU make, where should I ask ? Thanks. |
| 09:07.26 | bob2 | Garp: just ask your question |
| 09:07.32 | jm_ | jeff99: yes, it's the same for all mice in 2.6, regardless of what they're hooked up to |
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| 09:07.36 | Garp | bob2: tks. |
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| 09:08.14 | jm_ | jeff99: what settings have you used for gpm? |
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| 09:09.00 | kevix | Garp, 'make' is used in all gnu/linux systems. so you can ask it in any free software chat. |
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| 09:09.15 | jeff99 | jm_ i dont know |
| 09:09.21 | jeff99 | jm_ i just typed gpm and it worked.. |
| 09:09.26 | jm_ | jeff99: haha, cat /etc/gpm.conf |
| 09:10.17 | jeff99 | device=/dev/psaux |
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| 09:10.25 | jm_ | that's not serial mouse |
| 09:10.53 | kzm | Does anybody know about the reliability of PIII thermal diode? ACPI keeps shutting down my computer. |
| 09:10.55 | Garp | Question: Is there a way in an Makefile to have 2 different ways to generate a file, to choose between the two methods? The idea is to be able to use different prerequisites deopending on avaibility. Eg: I want to build A, A can be generated from A.p1 or A.p2. If only one of those exists, use it, if both exists use A.p1. Is thats omething make can do ? Thanks. |
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| 09:11.21 | prh | grief - hell has frozen over? |
| 09:11.31 | bob2 | Garp: why do you want to do this? |
| 09:11.35 | liable | kzm, does it feel hot? |
| 09:11.43 | jm_ | Garp: GNU make supports conditionals, see if that's enough for you |
| 09:11.44 | Garp | bob2: Because I need it :) |
| 09:11.51 | kevix | kzm, are you sure? have you checked the fan and temp readings? |
| 09:11.56 | Garp | jm_ : I look for this, thanks . |
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| 09:12.19 | bob2 | Garp: why would only one of them exist? |
| 09:12.39 | Garp | jm_: I'm afraid it wont be enough :( |
| 09:13.00 | XTF | I've always been wondering, why is ifconfig not in the path of a normal user? |
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| 09:13.12 | jeff99 | jm_ should i use that value in the XF86Config? |
| 09:13.13 | Garp | bob2: because I only wrote one ? |
| 09:13.24 | jeff99 | because the one you told me inst working |
| 09:13.39 | jm_ | jeff99: how does the connector on the mouse look like> |
| 09:13.47 | kevix | XFT, I guess only a sysadmin would setup a network card, not a user? |
| 09:14.03 | jeff99 | it is a serial |
| 09:14.05 | jeff99 | its d shaped |
| 09:14.13 | jeff99 | has a female connector on the mouse end |
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| 09:14.18 | XTF | kevix: I often use it to find out my IP address. |
| 09:14.19 | bob2 | XTF: traditionally, /sbin stuff wasn't needed by normal people...in a world of sudo and single-user desktops, tho, it does seem kinda silly |
| 09:14.20 | Garp | bob2: (It's always very boring having to answer unrelated questions when asking one, especially if the one asking cannot give an answer...) |
| 09:14.24 | jm_ | jeff99: ahh wait, try using /dev/input/mice with gpm |
| 09:14.40 | bob2 | Garp: well, I was asking because there might be a better solution to your whole problem |
| 09:14.43 | bob2 | but meh |
| 09:14.52 | Garp | bob2 : Yes, I understand. |
| 09:15.04 | worker | kevix: Private people are usually their own sysadmins .. in a way. |
| 09:15.06 | Garp | bob2 : but would you really listen to the whole problem ? ;) |
| 09:15.07 | jeff99 | k |
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| 09:15.11 | bob2 | heh |
| 09:15.13 | bob2 | indeed |
| 09:15.17 | kevix | XTF, maybe dynamic dns would be useful? |
| 09:15.50 | XTF | Maybe. But I'd still wish to see ifconfig if the user path. :) |
| 09:15.52 | kevix | worker, yes, I know, but *NIX is a mult-user system. |
| 09:16.05 | jbmigel | anyone know the magic trick to kqemu support? I have compiled and loaded the kernel module but notice no significant speed up when running qemu. Do i need to do something else you think? |
| 09:16.07 | jm_ | XTF: what's the point? user can't do much with it |
| 09:16.10 | worker | tarzeau: I am waiting till it comes with emacs21 or emacs22. |
| 09:16.26 | XTF | jm_ user can run it and look at the info. |
| 09:16.48 | worker | tarzeau: I need the jdee, and it requires emacs21 now, and probably emacs22 soon after it will be released. |
| 09:16.51 | jm_ | XTF: that's about all they can do - useless |
| 09:17.06 | Garp | bob2: To make things short: I have a set of 'generic' xml files that applies for every platforms, UNLESS there is a specific xml file for that platform. So you have generic/foo.xml (always) and you may have aplatform/foo.xml. So my makefile should take the generic unless aplatform/foo.xml does exists too. |
| 09:17.07 | kevix | worker, and on a single user system you have both roles. |
| 09:17.28 | bob2 | Garp: heh |
| 09:17.46 | worker | kevix: So, if you're a private user, you want to get a mac instead? .. no wait .. thats multiuser too, right? |
| 09:17.55 | Garp | bob2: does that makes you happier ? ;) |
| 09:18.00 | bob2 | Garp: a cheap hack might be to have the arch-specific one depend on the generic one |
| 09:18.19 | bob2 | Garp: and have a rule that hard links or copies the generic one if there is no arch-specific one |
| 09:18.35 | Garp | bob2 : I had this before, it worked quite well. |
| 09:19.04 | Garp | bob2: I'm redesigning the stystem a bit differently where it would be more conveniant if I had such a makefile rule |
| 09:19.05 | Aronofsky | anyone can help me with my cacti problem ? |
| 09:19.09 | kevix | worker, no. mac is a bsd-like system and is also mult-user. |
| 09:19.10 | bob2 | ah |
| 09:19.16 | jeff99 | jm_ sence i tried using /dev/input/mice with gpm i get no mice responce with gpm |
| 09:19.41 | Garp | bob2: but OK, if that cannot be done, I'll go back to this kind of solution. |
| 09:19.58 | kevix | worker, mac has admin user. |
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| 09:20.13 | Garp | bob2: but it's not as simple than in the previous design :( |
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| 09:21.57 | Garp | bob2: I may just write a small shell script for that, and call it from makefile |
| 09:22.02 | bob2 | heh |
| 09:22.15 | bob2 | there might be a better solution, is there a gnu-make list? |
| 09:23.20 | Garp | "You can ask for help writing makefiles or using GNU Make on the help-make@gnu.org mailing list." |
| 09:23.20 | tarzeau | woit will come |
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| 09:23.36 | jm_ | jeff99: is evdev or mousedev module loaded? |
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| 09:23.39 | Garp | Maybe I could ask there |
| 09:23.44 | Garp | thanks anyway :) |
| 09:23.50 | Garp | I'll see |
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| 09:23.54 | Garp | see ya. |
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| 09:24.07 | jeff99 | mousedev is loaded |
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| 09:24.18 | jeff99 | ls -al /dev/mouse |
| 09:24.18 | jeff99 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 2005-05-02 19:45 /dev/mouse -> ttyS0 |
| 09:24.23 | jeff99 | i edited that myself btw |
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| 09:25.30 | CruX_ | cat /etc/passwd |
| 09:25.30 | CruX_ | root:ia3X86cGWEdOw:0:0:root:/:/bin/sh |
| 09:25.33 | jm_ | jeff99: well your setup looks weird, try using the same device with X and set mouse type to PS/2 or ImPS/2 if it has a wheel |
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| 09:25.44 | CruX_ | what's the name of this hash function ? |
| 09:26.03 | jm_ | CruX_: ehh? |
| 09:26.10 | K_Dallas | i was looking at cdrecord messages and i noticed this: Using libscg version 'ubuntu-0.8ubuntu1' Does debian borrow from ubuntu? |
| 09:26.20 | jm_ | jeff99: gpm.conf will also tell you the mouse type you have used for gpm |
| 09:26.29 | kevix | Garp, look: http://theory.uwinnipeg.ca/localfiles/infofiles/make/make_72.html |
| 09:26.32 | CruX_ | jm_: root:ia3X86cGWEdOw:0:0:root:/:/bin/sh - this pass is wtored in which hash ? |
| 09:26.51 | jm_ | CruX_: man crypt |
| 09:27.03 | jeff99 | type=autops2 |
| 09:27.07 | Milan- | CruX_: u shouldn( have real passxords hashed to /etc/passwords |
| 09:27.10 | jm_ | yeah so use PS/2 or ImPS/2 |
| 09:27.13 | kevix | K_Dallas, some packages use 'patch' from ubuntu, if they choose. |
| 09:27.24 | K_Dallas | i see. thank you |
| 09:27.33 | Milan- | CruX_ but to /etc/shadow |
| 09:27.47 | CruX_ | Milan-: yes i know, this is from ovislink firmware |
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| 09:28.05 | Milan- | CruX_ : ok, so maybe you get strnge things too :-) |
| 09:28.13 | marcel | how do i make hotplug less verbose? |
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| 09:28.33 | kevix | K_Dallas, if you look at the debian-devel mailing list of this month you will see some hashing out of this |
| 09:28.54 | gandy909 | ack... after upgrading to sarge, now I can't login from the console, although ssh from putty works fine..any guesses? |
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| 09:29.05 | K_Dallas | kevix, i will have a look at there, thanks |
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| 09:30.33 | soccos | what happened to http://security.debian.org/testing/ ? |
| 09:30.38 | Illusia | Anyone here know what's going on with the debian file servers and why they are coming back with cannot open file ?? |
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| 09:30.56 | kickino | hello |
| 09:31.01 | jeff99 | jm_, i tried using the values from gpm.conf and still no luck |
| 09:31.08 | Illusia | hiya's |
| 09:31.10 | kickino | how could I see that I have got debian 'Sarge'? :-) |
| 09:31.19 | bob2 | soccos: sarge, not testing |
| 09:31.25 | jm_ | jeff99: well you can configure it so that gpm sends data to X, that's the easiest thing if gpm works |
| 09:31.25 | jbmigel | soccos i believe there is no more security support for testing branch... the way it should be |
| 09:31.28 | bob2 | kickino: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 09:31.33 | kickino | thanks :) |
| 09:31.46 | soccos | jbmigel: ever? |
| 09:31.56 | jeff99 | thats what im thinking |
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| 09:32.23 | jbmigel | soccos well maybe one day nearing etch release... just switch to sarge like bob2 said and you will still get your stuff |
| 09:32.43 | jeff99 | jm_ so how do i do this |
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| 09:33.08 | hogne | hi, I want to change default locale in postgresql, but "dpkg-reconfigure postgresql" don't prompt me a dialog to change it. Since I got a dialog to change it when upgrading I figured a dpkg-reconfigure should do the same? |
| 09:33.15 | jm_ | jeff99: /msg dpkg gpm+x |
| 09:33.38 | soccos | jbmigel: hmm but I imagine I'll want to track etch now, as stable ends up lagging for me on some packages, what to do? |
| 09:33.52 | jeff99 | is it udner /dev/gpmdata |
| 09:34.29 | jm_ | that's where gpm exports yes |
| 09:34.36 | bob2 | soccos: etch has no security support, remember |
| 09:34.42 | bob2 | soccos: and is also currently identical to sarge |
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| 09:35.01 | floppyears | I have a quick question. Why am I getting the following error: |
| 09:35.04 | floppyears | http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: 404 Not Found |
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| 09:35.20 | bob2 | floppyears: non-us is gone |
| 09:35.25 | bob2 | pining for the fjords |
| 09:35.27 | bob2 | resting it's eyes |
| 09:35.31 | jbmigel | soccos you can subscribe to debian-security-announce for security updates, you say sarge lags your machine now? |
| 09:35.34 | bob2 | it's an ex-suite |
| 09:35.36 | foureyes779 | that seems to be the Million dollar question tonite |
| 09:35.43 | soccos | jbmigel: well, not today ;-) |
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| 09:37.01 | floppyears | bob2: so what can I use now instead ? |
| 09:37.12 | bob2 | floppyears: everything useful fro mthere is in main |
| 09:37.15 | jbmigel | soccos if you must track testing you should be ok, just watch d-s-a for big vulnerabilities, otherwise you get your updates as they come down from sid |
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| 09:37.43 | floppyears | bob2: thanks, I guess I will just comment that line off |
| 09:37.55 | bob2 | yup |
| 09:37.55 | floppyears | bob2: how does the new sarge release affect unstable users ? |
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| 09:38.10 | bob2 | floppyears: it means people will start uploading fun new stuff to sid again |
| 09:38.13 | bob2 | when they regai nconciousness |
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| 09:38.30 | jm_ | floppyears: it demands $5 from them |
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| 09:38.54 | floppyears | jm_: hehe |
| 09:39.03 | foureyes779 | hwh |
| 09:39.08 | foureyes779 | thats it... |
| 09:39.17 | floppyears | bob2: so is sid = unstable I thought sid = testing |
| 09:39.17 | kevix | floppyears, i'm already unstable (user)... see ya in the funny pages. |
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| 09:39.48 | bob2 | floppyears: no, it's always been unstable |
| 09:40.10 | kevix | floppyears, 'sid' is the evil kid next door (in the toy story movie), he breaks his toys! |
| 09:40.15 | d03boy | anyone know why I cant connect to my deb sarge computer with realvnc? |
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| 09:40.41 | floppyears | thanks gusy |
| 09:40.44 | kevix | d03boy, is the power on? |
| 09:40.44 | Guerin | d03boy: you can, if you read your logs |
| 09:40.46 | floppyears | s/gusy/guys |
| 09:41.01 | d03boy | logs... hmm |
| 09:41.40 | kevix | d03boy, can you connect to any other ports --- use 'nmap' ? |
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| 09:42.11 | cahoot | d03boy: tcp connection to x disabled |
| 09:42.34 | d03boy | well, im trying to go Win to Linux |
| 09:42.39 | d03boy | so i dont have nmap |
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| 09:42.53 | darsie | why is sarge not 4.0? |
| 09:43.07 | kevix | d03boy, well 'telnet x.x.x.x port#' |
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| 09:43.31 | krisskiller | yes i ask me too darsie :) |
| 09:43.34 | Dr_O | darsie: it's just a number and nobody got round to increasing it beyond 3.1 ! |
| 09:43.40 | revenger | does anyone know a way how to determine if a tcp connection was established but didn't sent any data? |
| 09:43.57 | krisskiller | png ? |
| 09:44.00 | krisskiller | ping ? |
| 09:44.09 | darsie | revenger: tcpdump |
| 09:44.15 | kevix | revenger, use 'verbose' mode? |
| 09:44.24 | foureyes779 | if you upgrade to sid, where would you point the security updates ? |
| 09:44.30 | revenger | darsie: that's it probably thanks |
| 09:44.41 | kevix | foureyes779, to /dev/null ? |
| 09:45.05 | d03boy | connection failed.. damn... i suck at installing software :( |
| 09:45.06 | foureyes779 | heh, that doesnt sound like it would be very productive |
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| 09:45.20 | foureyes779 | apt-get install /dev/null |
| 09:45.22 | foureyes779 | heh |
| 09:45.25 | Dr_O | foureyes779: Debian only gives security support to its stable release |
| 09:45.43 | Dr_O | foureyes779: OK and it's oldstable release for one year |
| 09:45.48 | e2e | Hi, in release notes for sarge, there was said, non-us archive no longer be used, is this same for testing and unstable? |
| 09:46.03 | Ramonskie | i have proftpd running but when i connect it takes ages when it show directorys what can be the problem |
| 09:46.05 | foureyes779 | ok, i will keep it pointed at sarge them |
| 09:46.28 | Guerin | Ramonskie: you're serving over a 2400 baud connection? |
| 09:46.43 | Ramonskie | yes |
| 09:46.44 | Nemoder | Ramonskie: there might be some reverse DNS option enabled |
| 09:46.46 | Ramonskie | no |
| 09:46.48 | Ramonskie | i mean hhehe |
| 09:46.48 | evilissimo | hmm |
| 09:46.55 | Dr_O | foureyes779: If I were running sid I'd remove the security line and subscribe to debian-security-announce (or whatever itis!) |
| 09:46.58 | evilissimo | I'm wondering if there's a way to use ndiswrapper with net install |
| 09:46.58 | d03boy | im gunna quit life, i'll deal with this tomorrow after I wake up |
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| 09:47.25 | Ramonskie | Nemoder:: reverse dns option in proftpd?? |
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| 09:48.20 | Nemoder | Ramonskie: UseReverseDNS off |
| 09:48.36 | evilissimo | anyone? |
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| 09:48.52 | foureyes779 | Dr_O, not familiar with that process |
| 09:49.26 | kevix | evilissimo, the new debian-installer supports wifi connections. whats the ndis for? |
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| 09:49.40 | Ramonskie | Nemoder:: thx that worked |
| 09:49.41 | Ramonskie | :) |
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| 09:50.06 | evilissimo | kevix, it's for wifi but i don't if the installer supports my brand new belkin card |
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| 09:50.47 | kevix | evilissimo, you may want to ask the d-i team or check on debian-devel ? |
| 09:51.09 | foureyes779 | im getting ready to wipe slack off this Hd and install debian |
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| 09:51.43 | kevix | foureyes779, just save /home ! |
| 09:51.57 | MrNaz | is there work being done on the debian web page? i really feel that if i was selling a solution using debian, i'd be reulctant to send them to the current debian page which looks very.. well... unprofessional |
| 09:52.25 | foureyes779 | kevix, yeah..that was the only real concern i had about it |
| 09:52.50 | kevix | MrNaz, you can submit bugs to the 'www.debian.org' virtual packages. |
| 09:53.05 | evilissimo | kevix, I'll have a look |
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| 09:54.15 | Guerin | MrNaz: offer to redesign it. Debian's not about appearance as much as it is about functionality. |
| 09:54.33 | Guerin | translation: debian developers have better things to do than make websites. |
| 09:54.41 | Nemoder | MrNaz: I think the page accurately reflects that debian is a community project and not a company who will bend over backwards for a customer. |
| 09:54.42 | paulswm | MrNaz: Especially as debian isn't selling anything. |
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| 09:54.53 | MrNaz | Guerin absolutely and i LOVE that about debian... however if i am to sell that functionality i need to convince the morons on the top floor by showing them shiny marbles |
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| 09:55.08 | Guerin | MrNaz: make a mockup page of your own :) |
| 09:55.25 | MrNaz | i would be happy to offer my services as a web designer... just wanted to check that there wasnt already work in progress |
| 09:55.36 | Nemoder | yeah, if you're providing the support you're better off using your own page |
| 09:55.40 | paulswm | What is 'unrofessional' about it anyway? I find it a nice clean site where I can find what I need without a whole binch of scripts, flash or graphical crap. |
| 09:55.51 | MrNaz | i'm not a top notch designer, but i pride myself on putting out clean, functional designs |
| 09:55.57 | jm_ | you can even use lynx with it ;) |
| 09:56.02 | kevix | MrNaz, you may want to show them our founders(Ian Murdock) company Progeny, it supports Debian commercially. |
| 09:56.16 | tsw | and the boss goes: "Uuh shiny I want shiny, my precious" |
| 09:56.36 | MrNaz | paulswm its more the wording... "debian is a free os for your computer" would sound better to a pointy hair type as "debian is a high performance, highly reliable operating system suitable for use in mission critical environments." |
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| 09:56.47 | blas | hi |
| 09:57.05 | blas | there's a windows online game uses 3d card with directx. |
| 09:57.11 | Shadur | Hmm. Are nodev and nosuid safe to apply as mount options to /var ? |
| 09:57.12 | blas | is there any emulaiton for debian to use this? |
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| 09:57.47 | kevix | blas, are you familiar with 'Wine' ? |
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| 09:58.10 | foureyes779 | crossover-office comes close |
| 09:58.13 | MrNaz | Guerin perhaps i should re-phrase what i said initially... the design is nice, clean and functional. however i think the wording of the text does not do justice to debian's nature as a true enterprise grade operating system |
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| 09:58.29 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 09:58.42 | blas | kevix: nope |
| 09:58.43 | kevix | MrNaz, point them to 'progeny' ? |
| 09:58.43 | paulswm | MrNaz: That's marketing talk, as it is subjective. Debian isn't selling anything. The current wording is a statement of fact. |
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| 09:58.53 | Guerin | it's a bit hard to explain in few words how all-purpose it is |
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| 09:59.15 | Nemoder | http://www.progeny.com/ |
| 09:59.16 | paulswm | MrNaz: Anyway, you can always contact them, sounds like you probably have a few good ideas. |
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| 09:59.20 | MrNaz | kevix yes thats an option... however i think the debian project as a whole would benefit from a page that showed debian for its true worth |
| 09:59.46 | Guerin | 'true worth' = marketese? |
| 09:59.50 | kevix | blas, there is a project to run windows programs on linux. wine was the first. cedega is probably what you want. |
| 09:59.51 | liable | MrNaz: well, maybe its your job to translate it into "pointy hair" speak? |
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| 09:59.53 | MrNaz | paulswm yea i'll give them a shout... this is my first foray into the debian community i've always just been a plain user |
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| 10:00.10 | Guerin | liable: should make a separate phb.debian.org |
| 10:00.12 | Gnea | hrm |
| 10:00.20 | liable | heh |
| 10:00.26 | MrNaz | liable i do, however they want to see pointy hair speak on a web page or catalog or advertisement as well |
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| 10:00.33 | MrNaz | haha |
| 10:00.37 | Gnea | MrNaz has a good point |
| 10:00.40 | blas | kevix: hmm sounds cool, it emulates dx? btw what is "cedega" ? |
| 10:00.42 | Nemoder | MrNaz: keep in mind a lot of potential developers would be turned off by PHB speak |
| 10:00.54 | mooded | hey all.. anybody knows what might cause /dev/ttyX ( especially /dev/tty1 - /dev/tty6) not to be present ?? console login is therefore not possible, since /sbin/getty 38400 tty1-6 cant be started.. |
| 10:00.58 | paulswm | MrNaz: If flash or cutesy pictures of happy geeks holding hands in a circle show up, we're going to come looking for you first :P |
| 10:00.58 | MrNaz | Nemoder perhaps, and others would be attracted |
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| 10:01.10 | kevix | blas, it is a commercial version of wine that supports directX ( gaming)! |
| 10:01.22 | Guerin | i'd argue that official support, marketing and so on should be handled by other organisations designed for it - like progeny |
| 10:01.24 | Draconicus | Hey... um... my mic isn't working, but it's not muted in ALSA, and it's correctly connected. |
| 10:01.26 | Guerin | and userlinux |
| 10:01.42 | MrNaz | paulswm if one day i wake up and i've put flash or pics of hot chicks with a golden retriever on a beach on a web page... i'll kill myself then and there |
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| 10:01.49 | Guerin | Draconicus: hit f5 in alsamixer and make sure the mic channel is being captured |
| 10:01.52 | paulswm | MrMinit: haha |
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| 10:02.09 | paulswm | MrMinit: Sorry wrong nick |
| 10:02.09 | blas | kevix: thanks! |
| 10:02.27 | Guerin | fishyfishyfish |
| 10:02.28 | kevix | MrNaz, a lot of Debian Developers are Professional Developers but 'Debian' as a project is designed for 'developers' not CEOs. |
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| 10:02.43 | paulswm | !fishsmite Guerin |
| 10:02.48 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:02.48 | paulswm | :D |
| 10:03.00 | Guerin | man, the fish market over east, where we ate the whale |
| 10:03.03 | Guerin | amazing |
| 10:03.07 | Guerin | never seen anything like it |
| 10:03.13 | Draconicus | Guerin: I'm guessing "CAPTUR" means it can't find it. |
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| 10:03.31 | mooded | anybody knows which module (or better kernel-option) is responsible for tty-devices ?? |
| 10:03.42 | liable | korea kills whales too eh? scientific research? |
| 10:03.43 | MrNaz | kevix indeed i agree as well... but the aim is to make a useful product that gets used... no point making it if it doesnt get used where it would be appropriate just because suits arent convinced |
| 10:03.50 | masoft | if anybody need aMule package for debian, I made one ... (somebody looking for it yesterday), just tell me to give the address |
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| 10:03.59 | Guerin | seeing an 80 year old woman carving a sunfish 5 feet in diameter is something else |
| 10:04.04 | Guerin | liable: 'accidental' |
| 10:04.09 | liable | heh |
| 10:04.34 | liable | accidently harpooned? |
| 10:04.39 | Guerin | liable: but there's actually a whale processing factory being built in Ulsan for the purpose.... greenpeace are protesting there as we speak |
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| 10:04.53 | Nemoder | MrNaz: perhaps a link on the front page to 'debian for enterprises' or something would be a good idea |
| 10:04.57 | liable | Guerin: whats it like anyway? |
| 10:04.59 | Guerin | liable: not sure how you accidentally catch something weighing 15-25 tonnes |
| 10:05.12 | mooded | narf.. |
| 10:05.15 | liable | fatty? |
| 10:05.39 | Guerin | liable: outrageously good. meaty, tender, firm, rich ... like incredibly high-quality beef, but a different |
| 10:05.48 | liable | no shit? |
| 10:05.56 | kevix | masoft, there is already a package for amule ! |
| 10:05.57 | HolyGoat | by means of a joke you could make a "mirror for managers" that has a smooth design, to convince managers, hehe. |
| 10:06.00 | Guerin | no, dead lean - except for the blubber, which tastes like pork fat infused with burning tyres |
| 10:06.13 | masoft | kevix, not for 2.0.2 |
| 10:06.23 | Guerin | liable: we ate it boiled, raw, and in steaks |
| 10:06.23 | MrNaz | Nemoder well no i think the page itself should have a "Developers" link, given that devs are more likely to intelligently skip what doesnt interest them than pointy hair types... postgresql.org recently underwent the whole image facelift with no ill effects |
| 10:06.54 | giupy | how can i toggle this with a precompiled 2.6.8? localhost kernel: CPU0: Running in modulated clock mode.....i don't want to recompile |
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| 10:07.33 | kevix | masoft, the current is 2.0.1-1. I dont use it but if I did, I could wait for the next version. |
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| 10:07.49 | liable | Guerin: actually sounds good, would try it if I could. (being a fanatical steak devourer) |
| 10:07.53 | MrNaz | Guerin i've always wanted to taste whale meat, but have never had the opportunity |
| 10:07.59 | HolyGoat | MrNaz: why not make an unofficial site for it? |
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| 10:08.46 | masoft | kevix, http://www.amule.org/files/files.php?cat=20 (version 2.0.2) |
| 10:08.53 | MrNaz | HolyGoat coz i dont believe in myriad unofficial sites giving a project a thousand faces... id want to have the consensus of the debian community if i was to represent them in any way |
| 10:09.00 | Guerin | MrNaz: come to east asia :) |
| 10:09.14 | masoft | kevix, where is your amule package ? in Debian CDs ? |
| 10:09.19 | MrNaz | Guerin hehe i'll be flying soon perhaps i'll make a stop for a quick luncheon |
| 10:09.42 | Draconicus | Guerin: I'm guessing "CAPTUR" in ALSA means it can't find it... right? |
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| 10:10.18 | kevix | masoft, 'http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/amule/amule_2.0.1-1_i386.deb' |
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| 10:10.35 | Guerin | Draconicus: no; captur means it's capturing analogue input on that device |
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| 10:10.52 | HolyGoat | Ok, but as they said they aren't trying to sell anything, so you won't get the consensus. Your target audience differs from the debian website, so it would be a logical step to make a new site for it. |
| 10:11.02 | Draconicus | Guerin: Oh. Then it should be working. |
| 10:11.14 | Guerin | Draconicus: yeah. |
| 10:11.19 | nickty | hi can anyone help me, i'm trying to install sarge but it doesn't detect my scsi ultra 320 controller |
| 10:11.30 | Guerin | Draconicus: mess around a bit, anyway. You might have to fuck with some levels etc. |
| 10:12.03 | Draconicus | Well, thanks. I hope I can get it working. |
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| 10:12.17 | MrNaz | HolyGoat i disagree... theres no reason a non-profit must lack professionalism |
| 10:12.27 | liable | nickty: is it supported is the first thing you need to know |
| 10:12.41 | MrNaz | Guerin where are you located? |
| 10:12.43 | masoft | kevix, so why when I use apt-cache search amule can't find anything ? I use Debian Sarge. |
| 10:12.52 | liable | nickty: and for that, google is your friend |
| 10:13.09 | Gnea | nickty: are you booting cdrom? |
| 10:13.28 | kevix | masoft, not sure, I use sid. |
| 10:13.37 | nickty | liable: i'm guessing not supported, and i did google for it but the results I got doesn't solve my prob |
| 10:13.41 | kevix | nickty, are you using a Dell server? |
| 10:13.45 | nickty | Gnea: yes |
| 10:13.48 | Guerin | MrNaz: near Daejeon, South Korea |
| 10:14.01 | MrNaz | hmm... ever ventured north? :D |
| 10:14.09 | nickty | kevix: no |
| 10:14.16 | Guerin | MrNaz: yeah. Got turned away at the border by some friendly MPs |
| 10:14.26 | Guerin | MrNaz: (i'm not joking) |
| 10:14.37 | Gnea | nickty: you couldn't load it with insmod in alt+f2? what about the other kernel? |
| 10:14.39 | MrNaz | well its funny nonetheless hehe |
| 10:14.42 | MrNaz | i want to visit north korea and find out if the CNN stories of it being populated by mindless evil zombies is true |
| 10:14.48 | Guerin | then I stopped to take photos of some explosives they'd mined a bridge with |
| 10:14.57 | Guerin | and a cop pulls up behind my car |
| 10:15.09 | Guerin | all the bridges up north are mined, see, in case of an invasion |
| 10:15.09 | paulswm | MrNaz: It's true, seen some smuggled films. |
| 10:15.12 | kevix | nickty, is that card: adaptec, lsi, ? |
| 10:15.15 | MrNaz | wow... you still got the pics? |
| 10:15.24 | Guerin | yeah |
| 10:15.27 | nickty | controller is adaptec |
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| 10:15.35 | Gnea | Guerin: they aren't fucking around huh... |
| 10:15.37 | MrNaz | would you mind sending me one or two? id be fascinated to see that |
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| 10:15.59 | liable | sounds like paranoia to the nth degree. |
| 10:16.08 | Gnea | MrNaz: HEH, who wouldn't |
| 10:16.16 | Guerin | anyway, this cop's a senior sergeant in the local law right up on the border, and he's really nice - talks to me for ages about the weather and asks a lot of questions about where I'm from, what I'm up to, what my family does back home etc... |
| 10:16.28 | Guerin | i'll dig 'em out when i've made my fish pie |
| 10:16.36 | MrNaz | thanks |
| 10:16.40 | Gnea | :) |
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| 10:16.58 | liable | Guerin: whats the fishing like ther? |
| 10:17.00 | Trewas | even Finnish bridges have ready-made locations to place explosives in case russia attacks, does not sound all that far-fetched for south-korea to have even more paranoid attitude :) |
| 10:17.00 | liable | e |
| 10:17.04 | Guerin | so then he asks me to write down my name and phone number and address in korea in his book ... and my family's name and address etc in NZ as well |
| 10:17.07 | nickty | kevix: controller is adaptec |
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| 10:17.18 | liable | oh dear |
| 10:17.18 | Gnea | Guerin: oh shit... |
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| 10:17.43 | Gnea | Guerin: how long ago was this? |
| 10:17.50 | kevix | nickty, what does 'lsmod | grep aic' show ? |
| 10:17.55 | Guerin | i'm a bit worried by this stage, but I do as he asks... and then he tells me he's retiring next year, and his wife wants to go and live in NZ, and he wants to make friends with my family so they can sponsor him for residency |
| 10:18.02 | Guerin | Gnea: about august '03 |
| 10:18.15 | MrNaz | phew |
| 10:18.23 | Gnea | wow |
| 10:18.42 | Guerin | the worst bit was that my wife was in the car the whole time - about 20 minutes - and she had no idea what was going on |
| 10:18.43 | ircdevil | tadaaa :o) smoooooth upgrade - not a single hitch |
| 10:18.46 | liable | hah, should have puched him, for scaring the shit out of you :) |
| 10:18.49 | Guerin | she was scared shitless |
| 10:19.25 | Gnea | without a doubt |
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| 10:19.42 | Guerin | but bhe didn't even ask to see my license or my alien card or anything |
| 10:20.05 | Gnea | still |
| 10:20.12 | Gnea | that's messed up |
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| 10:20.22 | Guerin | yeah :) |
| 10:20.35 | tombs | please, I need to use openoffice but I don't know witch packages I have to install... |
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| 10:20.46 | Guerin | but it does go to show how different RoK is from - say - DPRK or China |
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| 10:20.51 | guorke | hi |
| 10:20.55 | kevix | tombs, apt-cache open office |
| 10:21.02 | Gnea | RoK? |
| 10:21.09 | Guerin | Republic of Korea? |
| 10:21.12 | Gnea | oh |
| 10:21.16 | Gnea | duh |
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| 10:21.22 | Gnea | :) |
| 10:21.53 | tombs | kevix, ? apt-cache search? |
| 10:21.59 | gerben | I can create files in my root fs, but I get permission denied when I want to rm one (as root). I can move files. It's not the attributes, and remounting doesn't fix it. Any suggestions? |
| 10:22.02 | ntoll | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:22.10 | kevix | tombs, yes, opps! |
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| 10:22.40 | masoft | tombs, apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 10:22.55 | jbmigel | tombs or just apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 10:22.56 | tombs | kevix, I've done it, but that quiet a lot of packages |
| 10:23.01 | kevix | gerben, lsattr ? have you been hacked? |
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| 10:23.41 | Gnea | ntoll: haha nice |
| 10:23.42 | tombs | if I make install openoffice.org, will install the entire package right? |
| 10:23.48 | kevix | tombs, openoffice.org - high-quality office productivity suite |
| 10:24.08 | jbmigel | tombs yea it gives you lots of stuff... but no internationalization do you speak english? |
| 10:24.11 | gerben | kevix: lsattr gives ------------, and it's not connected to www, so i don't think it has been hacked |
| 10:24.32 | oKtosiTe | I'm on testing, and since the release of Sarge I'm getting an Ign and a 404 upon trying to update my package list. Is this normal? |
| 10:24.32 | tombs | jbmigel, I can manage |
| 10:24.33 | paulswm | ntoll: Should be a wine or spirit label, beer doesn't keep for years :P |
| 10:24.37 | eps | what are some good 3d tank games i can get easily from apt? :| |
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| 10:24.58 | kevix | tombs, yes. but there are some optional parts... |
| 10:25.02 | ntoll | quite... the link was seen on #lugradio |
| 10:25.04 | oKtosiTe | eps scorched3d/scorch3d |
| 10:25.04 | jm_ | eps: atanks bzflag koth |
| 10:25.17 | kevix | gerben, just checking... good to hear! |
| 10:25.17 | jbmigel | tombs yeah that all the other packages are... there is openoffice.org, and then 600 different language packs |
| 10:25.28 | eps | thanks :) |
| 10:25.35 | eps | mmm *hugs apt* |
| 10:26.07 | gimpery | any video editing software for debian? |
| 10:26.22 | tombs | jbmigel, I don't wanna stay with a lot of shit here, thats why I'm asking witch packages I shoul install |
| 10:26.30 | doub | gerben: your rootfs isn't nfs mounted by any chance? |
| 10:26.42 | isam | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:26.42 | tombs | jbmigel, 600?? |
| 10:26.42 | gerben | i should probably reboot, but i stumbled upon this problem whein i wanted to apt-get install grub because lilo is giving problems |
| 10:26.47 | gerben | doub: no |
| 10:27.05 | tombs | isam: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 10:27.10 | gerben | so i basicly have an unbootable system if i can believe lilo |
| 10:27.18 | beardy | gerben: fix lilo? |
| 10:27.20 | ozzloy | what is a good book for learning sysadmin/networking on debian? |
| 10:27.20 | jbmigel | tombs the openoffice.org package is the *core* package... it will install what you want... 600 was a slight overestimate i cant count past 6 |
| 10:27.21 | kevix | oKtosiTe, you need to fix your sources.list. some urls are obselete. |
| 10:27.31 | kevix | gimpery, kino ? |
| 10:27.36 | tombs | isam : The current “testing” distribution is etch. |
| 10:27.42 | doub | ozzloy: debian-reference maybe, see http://qref.sf.net |
| 10:27.51 | doub | ozzloy: or the package by the same name |
| 10:28.00 | gerben | beardy: it complains about "Int 0x13 function 8 and function 0x48 return different head/sector geometries for BIOS drive 0x80" |
| 10:28.02 | beardy | ozzloy: The Debian Reference? And patience, using it, and reading documentation, manpages annd so on. |
| 10:28.10 | isam | tombs, oh.. I just noticed .. Thanks .. I thought that sid would be promoted |
| 10:28.12 | gimpery | kevix, thks, will look that up. have you tried it? |
| 10:28.17 | tombs | jbmigel, do you know the size of the package? |
| 10:28.39 | kevix | gimpery, no. also cinepaint. |
| 10:28.40 | tombs | isam: I guess sid will be always sid(I guess) |
| 10:29.01 | doub | ozzloy: but don't expect any sort of paper book giving you everything you always wanted to know all at once. practice and trial-and-error is the only way to go |
| 10:29.01 | isam | tombs, thanks |
| 10:29.05 | tombs | :) |
| 10:29.08 | paulswm | sid will always be unstable, it does not move |
| 10:29.22 | gimpery | what about the camera, waht are the features to look for to use it for video? |
| 10:29.23 | jbmigel | tombs the openoffice.org package is 30MB but it depands on openoffice.org-bin which is 130MB so 160MB total hope you not dial up |
| 10:29.29 | ozzloy | doub, right right. thanx beardy and doub |
| 10:29.31 | ircdevil | can i get galeon 2 to show icons only and not icons and text? |
| 10:30.00 | tombs | jbmigel, ok, than I'll do it, thats not a big thing :) |
| 10:30.14 | isam | does that have to do with sid being a naughty boy (in toy story) ? :) |
| 10:30.14 | ozzloy | i've been hired as a sysadmin, and i've never done that before. i let them know, but lucky for me they are desperate and hired me anyways |
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| 10:30.31 | resiak | ircdevil: apt-get install gtweakui will probably help you there, as will browsing its gconf keys. |
| 10:30.31 | jm_ | ircdevil: you mean galeon 1.3? |
| 10:30.45 | beardy | gerben: If you don't have a live/rescuecd of some sort, or a rescuefloppy, get one now, in case you need it. |
| 10:30.50 | paulswm | !irritate resiak |
| 10:30.50 | kevix | ozzloy, google for 'debian bible' (the new version) and debianbook.info |
| 10:30.51 | dpkg | resiak: wenas who uses sound ???/ |
| 10:30.54 | jbmigel | tombs looks like it also draggs in 20MB english language pack by default aswell |
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| 10:30.58 | ircdevil | jm_ the one in sarge (i just noted upon first start it said galeon 2) |
| 10:31.07 | doub | ozzloy: one peace of advice : don't do your trial-and-error on the real network, you'll get fired real-fast(tm). (personal experience ;) ) |
| 10:31.13 | gerben | beardy: taken care of, but using one feels like a defeat :-) |
| 10:31.27 | ozzloy | doub, good to know |
| 10:31.33 | liable | !aussismite paulswm |
| 10:31.35 | tombs | jbmigel, just another question, I'm busy with debian since december, so I'm still a newbie, and I used to make almost every day...apt-get update, and...apt-get upgrade. Do I still need to do it? |
| 10:31.38 | kevix | isam, yes. 'sid' is 'unstable' |
| 10:31.42 | liable | !aussiesmite paulswm |
| 10:31.43 | dpkg | paulswm: shut up ya bloody yank or i'll cut your acres off! |
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| 10:31.48 | paulswm | !singlishsmite liable |
| 10:31.48 | ozzloy | doub, i have 3 personal computers. hope that's enough to do some testing |
| 10:31.49 | dpkg | liable: Say some more, lah! Like I care! |
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| 10:31.59 | liable | haha, deserved that :) |
| 10:31.59 | beardy | gerben: Yes, of course you should try everything else first, but if all else fails. |
| 10:32.01 | resiak | !fruitsmite paulswm |
| 10:32.03 | paulswm | :D |
| 10:32.04 | doub | ozzloy: ask them for spare old machines to try your stuff, if you don't have at hand, and experiment there, then when you're shure, reproduce on the real thing |
| 10:32.11 | KimHansen | There is no non-US in Etch ? |
| 10:32.23 | jbmigel | tombs are you running sarge or woody? |
| 10:32.27 | tombs | sarge |
| 10:32.28 | jm_ | ircdevil: yes, that's 1.3 and yes, you can change it via gconftool |
| 10:32.30 | joloc | i have a corrupted /usr, dpkg is missing. can i just install a tarball with ./configure and make ? |
| 10:32.32 | paulswm | KimHansen: nor in sarge. |
| 10:32.32 | ozzloy | doub, i shall |
| 10:32.46 | gerben | i can move files to /tmp (different partition) and rm them there, this is very strange, doesn't moving them to another partition imply removing them? |
| 10:32.46 | KimHansen | paulswm: ok, thanks |
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| 10:32.55 | paulswm | KimHansen: you're welcome. |
| 10:33.04 | doub | paulswm: well, you'll keep the doctor away for a looooong time, lucky you ;) |
| 10:33.18 | kevix | KimHansen, there is no non-us! |
| 10:33.20 | ozzloy | thanx kevix |
| 10:33.22 | jbmigel | tombs I would recommend running an update maybe once a week, but you can do it whenever your comfortable... mostly its just to ensure you have security updates so you cant get hAxOrEd! |
| 10:33.41 | paulswm | doub: heh, I wish, have partial arterial blockage(s) in my leg |
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| 10:33.58 | liable | ouch |
| 10:34.14 | KimHansen | kevix: No non-us in Woody also? |
| 10:34.15 | gerben | sorry, I'm wrong, /tmp is on the same partition, so it has to be something else |
| 10:34.35 | gerben | so from /tmp I can remove, but not from /usr or /etc |
| 10:34.42 | ircdevil | jm_ hmmm gcontool? no man page - do i have to install a lot of gnome stuff for this? |
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| 10:34.59 | tombs | jbmigel, hAxOrEd..thats funny(the way you wrote it). But I did it yesterday, and after the upgrade I lost my mouse"s scroll...I don't know why! |
| 10:35.04 | oKtosiTe | kevix, why? I wasn't told that apt in testing had undergone serious changes from sarge... What's obsolete now then? |
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| 10:35.08 | jm_ | ircdevil: gconftool-2, try changing the toolbar_style setting |
| 10:35.10 | FlopsyPete | anyone know where I can find a good description of how to setup proper intranet domain names so that web sites I setup on local servers work properly? |
| 10:35.18 | gerben | should probably change rm to have it move the file to /tmp first :-) |
| 10:35.40 | jm_ | FlopsyPete: you can use /etc/hosts, or try dnsmasq as a simple DNS server for small environments |
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| 10:36.02 | doub | paulswm: ouch, it hurts... is it what happens when blood components come to agglomerate and do some sort of "blood traffic jam" ? |
| 10:36.33 | paulswm | doub: Yea, it's prolly a plaque blockage which means heart tests also |
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| 10:36.52 | jbmigel | tombs yeah i was reading something about how update screwed up some XF86Config-4 files... give me a minute and ill find out the trouble if nobody else here reads this and tells you |
| 10:37.01 | joloc | i have a corrupted /usr, dpkg is missing. can i just install a dpkg tarball (from apt-get source) with ./configure and make ? |
| 10:37.05 | FlopsyPete | jm_: thanks. perhaps thats been my confusion then, I was finding I had to add manually to /etc/hosts, was wondering how I got the names into DNS, its that I need to actually run my own DNS server - of-course, seems obvious now its pointed out to me |
| 10:37.13 | paulswm | doub: My spouse was suprised to find out that I *had* a heart :P |
| 10:37.15 | tombs | jbmigel: thanx |
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| 10:37.43 | jm_ | FlopsyPete: yes, and it's easy with dnsmasq because it also adds the entries from /etc/hosts to the list of what other machines see if they query it |
| 10:38.05 | beardy | gerben: google is your friend http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/10/msg00857.html |
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| 10:38.23 | FlopsyPete | jm_: great |
| 10:38.53 | jm_ | joloc: no |
| 10:39.00 | doub | paulswm: heh, man and woman relationships... well, I believe we both have fake views on what's in one another's head, and being married only makes these grow bigger, unfortunately |
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| 10:39.21 | ircdevil | jm_: where do i find this toolbar_style setting? |
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| 10:39.27 | joloc | jm_: how can reinstall dpkg then? |
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| 10:39.32 | jm_ | ircdevil: gconftool-2 -R / |
| 10:39.37 | lehel | hello |
| 10:39.39 | doub | paulswm: but do blood network admins have a fix for such a security hole? |
| 10:39.43 | jm_ | joloc: well I would get the deb, unpack it and copy all files over |
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| 10:40.04 | lehel | "try running the command under strace to figure out exactly what happens" < what this means? please |
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| 10:40.14 | jm_ | lehel: it means just that |
| 10:40.15 | Guerin | lehel: strace commandyouwant |
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| 10:40.24 | Guerin | lehel: and then good luck with the output |
| 10:40.32 | lehel | aha:)) ok .. thanks |
| 10:41.02 | Baard | damn, openldap db migration failed :/ |
| 10:41.34 | ircdevil | jm_ peculiar: toolbar_style = 3, but toolbar_override_style = icons_only - and both icons and text is displayed |
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| 10:41.54 | joloc | jm_: ok. how to unpack the deb without dpkg? (sorry if this is a stupid question, but i don't even have the manpage for deb except for the finnish version... or is it hungarian :-( ) |
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| 10:42.15 | jm_ | joloc: ar + gzip + tar, the problem is that ar is in /usr/bin ;) |
| 10:42.20 | mwe | my ~/.Xmodmap seems to be ignored. It works with xmodmap ~/.Xmodmap though :\ |
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| 10:42.38 | gerben | beardy: yes, i saw that one before, but i was hoping i could get grub to work before rebooting, but i'll have to try this way and have a look at the bios |
| 10:42.48 | joloc | jm_: alright i seem to still have ar tar gzip |
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| 10:43.02 | jm_ | joloc: ahh then it's easy, ar x blabla, then tar xfz ... |
| 10:43.11 | jm_ | ircdevil: I have the same and it shows icons only |
| 10:43.54 | jbmigel | tombs sorry i cant find the thread now, if you are gutsy you can do "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and answer some questions there then that should fix it. |
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| 10:44.07 | joloc | jm_: ar x dpkgXXX.deb; tar zxf dpkgXXX.tar.gz |
| 10:44.16 | doub | joloc: you'll get faster to where you want with some sort of rescue live cd, like DFS |
| 10:44.17 | joloc | jm_: (never used ar before) |
| 10:44.24 | ircdevil | jm_: this was something you could manage from within the previous version of galeon ... |
| 10:44.29 | beardy | gerben: Sounds like a good idea, to try and get lilo to work as it should, before installing grub. Good luck :) |
| 10:44.30 | doub | joloc: ar seems to be in /usr/bin, btw |
| 10:44.37 | tombs | jbmigel, ok I'll try it out |
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| 10:45.28 | jm_ | joloc: the filename won't be dpkgXXX.tar.gz, but data.tar.gz |
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| 10:45.33 | joloc | jm_: ok |
| 10:45.35 | jm_ | ircdevil: indeed |
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| 10:46.24 | joloc | jm_: and there is no makefile in it? how do i know where to copy what? |
| 10:46.38 | doub | joloc: unpack the tar.gz in / |
| 10:46.46 | jm_ | joloc: cd / ; tar xfz /path/to/data.tar.gz |
| 10:46.52 | jm_ | cd / && tar ... |
| 10:47.00 | EmleyMoor | Will the tags on the marillat repository be updated any time soon? I note that Darren Salt has already done his |
| 10:47.11 | doub | joloc: but if the dpkg database is fubar, chances are you're out of luck |
| 10:47.14 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: ask christian marillat |
| 10:47.30 | joloc | jm_: right |
| 10:48.21 | EmleyMoor | So, I should stick with testing on those for now? Talking of which, is testing now etch or will there be a short "migration period"? |
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| 10:48.59 | joloc | doub: IIRC the debian installation CDs contain a rescue disk, correct? |
| 10:49.03 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: testing is now etch, but nothing will have changed from sarge |
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| 10:49.17 | Guerin | EmleyMoor: once the DDs sober up it'll start to move along |
| 10:49.29 | joloc | doub: can i use these instead of DFS (what is DFS) |
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| 10:49.33 | doub | joloc: yes, but it's very limited and ugly, compared to Debian From Scratch which is a full system |
| 10:49.33 | EmleyMoor | OK - I have one of my machines set to follow it |
| 10:49.37 | Guerin | joloc: you can use any debian cd to boot, mount and chroot |
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| 10:49.50 | ircdevil | jm_: ah - toolbar is somewhat different from bookmarks. there i only want icons and not text if icon is availible :o) |
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| 10:50.20 | doub | joloc: so maybe you'll find the tools you need in the rescue, but maybe not |
| 10:50.27 | jm_ | ircdevil: you mean favicons? |
| 10:50.32 | ircdevil | jm_: yes |
| 10:50.41 | timt | how do I install a pcmcia device ? |
| 10:50.45 | jm_ | ircdevil: you mean those are actualy useful for you and you can recognize sites by them? |
| 10:50.56 | Guerin | timt: plug it into a pcmcia slot, typically |
| 10:51.02 | oKtosiTe | Since the release of Sarge, the line "deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main" in my sources.list, gives me the following error: "Failed to fetch http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 404 Not Found" |
| 10:51.02 | cy_ | haha. |
| 10:51.08 | timt | anyone know of a good website I can read about?? |
| 10:51.10 | doub | joloc: if you want to go the "rescue" way, just boot the cd, go for the first stages, up to "detect network", at which point you can press alt-f2 to get to the rescue console |
| 10:51.16 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 10:51.16 | dpkg | Testing *finally* has security updates. (This was one of the prerequisites for sarge's freeze.) Try "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" (add " contrib non-free" if you like). |
| 10:51.36 | timt | obviously, but I mean getting linux to recognise that its there?? |
| 10:51.55 | doub | joloc: you can get to the rescue console at the very begining but there's nothing in until you load the installer components |
| 10:52.00 | oKtosiTe | Guerin: you're saying that etch won't have security until a freeze? When will I be able to move to etch? |
| 10:52.10 | ircdevil | jm_ only for the ones in my personal toolbar folder (this worked nicely in the previous galeon) |
| 10:52.12 | Guerin | dpkg, no, testing security is Testing DOES NOT have security updates, now that sarge has released. Try "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" |
| 10:52.12 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 10:52.37 | jm_ | ircdevil: well kudos to you - those icons were never meaningful for me ;) |
| 10:52.46 | Guerin | oKtosiTe: move any time you like, just don't expect it to get security updates. If you need security updates, run stable or unstable. |
| 10:52.54 | joloc | doub: ok. so confirm "detect network" first, then change virtual console? |
| 10:52.55 | Guerin | oKtosiTe: this is how it's ALWAYS been. |
| 10:53.02 | doub | joloc: no, just before it |
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| 10:53.08 | joloc | doub: ok |
| 10:53.12 | K_Dallas | i am a bit confused. how do i direct the output of : md5sum -v -c the-checksum-file, into a local file and not the screen? thanks |
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| 10:53.20 | Guerin | K_Dallas: > |
| 10:53.26 | K_Dallas | tried > file, did not workl |
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| 10:53.29 | doub | joloc: unless, of course, you want something network related |
| 10:53.31 | Guerin | !didn't work |
| 10:53.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:53.33 | barlanido | hi eevrybody |
| 10:53.45 | K_Dallas | i mean the file was empty and i got all the output on the screen |
| 10:53.50 | liable | hi dr nick |
| 10:53.56 | oKtosiTe | Guerin: I'm on testing, and was expecting the move to happen automatically with the release of Sarge, and a dist-upgrade, but that doesn't work yet. |
| 10:54.06 | Guerin | K_Dallas: try 2>&1 > file |
| 10:54.08 | barlanido | is experimental already switched to unstable? |
| 10:54.11 | jm_ | K_Dallas: did you redirect to the same file? |
| 10:54.15 | ChrisW | so, sarge has been released? |
| 10:54.24 | Guerin | oKtosiTe: see 'doesn't work' above |
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| 10:54.26 | liable | !topicsmite ch |
| 10:54.27 | K_Dallas | jm_, the file was nonexistant |
| 10:54.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ch. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 10:54.33 | K_Dallas | Guerin, i try that one, thanks |
| 10:54.37 | liable | doh |
| 10:54.42 | Guerin | ChrisW: no. We're playing a cruel trick on everyone |
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| 10:54.45 | foureyes779 | haha |
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| 10:54.57 | jbmigel | barlanido nothing like that will ever happen |
| 10:54.58 | doub | barlanido: experimental and unstable always stay what they are no matter what. only some packages move to the more stable branch |
| 10:55.00 | ChrisW | does that explain why when I do apt-get update && apt-get -u upgrade I get a motherload of packages that say they need ot be upgraded? |
| 10:55.12 | barlanido | ok |
| 10:55.12 | oKtosiTe | Guerin: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 10:55.30 | jm_ | K_Dallas: so use 2> ... |
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| 10:55.46 | K_Dallas | ok, thanks |
| 10:55.47 | ChrisW | anyone? |
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| 10:56.05 | ChrisW | I'm assuming that's the reason, but why have a whole shedload of packages been marked as "kept back"? |
| 10:56.06 | jm_ | christouf: does it? |
| 10:56.09 | jm_ | gah |
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| 10:56.34 | joloc | doub: my plan was to get dpkg from _somewhere_, then use dpkg -l output to remove and reinstall everything... (dpkg database isn't in /usr partition i believe). makes sense? can i use rescue just to reinstall dpkg? |
| 10:56.46 | oKtosiTe | ChrisW: they were in testing, but not in Sarge |
| 10:56.51 | jbmigel | ChrisW does your sources.list contain refernces to "sarge" or "testing"? |
| 10:56.59 | kjparker | i take it that the fact that i can't download security updates for testing anymore is because sarge is released? and there are none for etch yet? right? |
| 10:57.06 | doub | ChrisW: i guess you used aptitude somewhere in the mix, which marks apt-get_ed packages as either "to remove" or "on hold", depending on the wind direction |
| 10:57.34 | jm_ | kjparker: s/testing/sarge/ and it'll work |
| 10:57.55 | snail | jm_: thanks. i was about to ask the same question |
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| 10:58.08 | ChrisW | well, my sources.list only mentiones stables |
| 10:58.16 | oKtosiTe | So why am I not getting updates, I'm on testing, and Sarge has been released. I expected to move to Etch today... |
| 10:58.24 | ChrisW | with one or two of the stable packages coming from backports.org |
| 10:58.24 | doub | joloc: of course you can, just as jm_ told you |
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| 10:58.31 | jm_ | christouf: surprise surprise, now you have learned why it's a good idea to refer to them via release names |
| 10:58.33 | ChrisW | I've never knowingly used aptitude |
| 10:58.40 | jm_ | ChrisW ^^^^^^^ |
| 10:58.50 | oKtosiTe | ChrisW: a new stable release is here, that's all. |
| 10:59.10 | EmleyMoor | sarge and etch are currently identical... etch will start to change but not immediately |
| 10:59.10 | ChrisW | yes, but why are there packages that are held back? |
| 10:59.21 | EmleyMoor | ChrisW: Incompatible dependencies? |
| 10:59.22 | oKtosiTe | EmleyMoor: I see. |
| 10:59.27 | tarzeau | everybody installed popularity-contest ? |
| 10:59.32 | jm_ | that means that installing them would mean removing something else, or something they depend on isn't available |
| 10:59.33 | jbmigel | jm_ why do they default to stable and testing then? someone should yell at release maintainers... after they recover from todays hangover of course ;) |
| 10:59.39 | ChrisW | well, okay, but as a better question, how do I get them not to be help back anymore? |
| 11:00.01 | jm_ | ChrisW: apt-get install pkgname, but read Sarge release notes first |
| 11:00.01 | doub | joloc: there's an option in dpkg to have it install on another root, so mount your rootfs, chroot to it, mount -a, exit chroot, and get the dpkg deb, install it with the install-cd dpkg and the right option (something like "--install-root" iirc) |
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| 11:00.17 | oKtosiTe | ChrisW: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:00.36 | jm_ | jbmigel: no idea, I suppose it's better for clueless because they don't have to edit anything when new release comes out |
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| 11:00.49 | doub | joloc: if you need network to get the dpkg deb, the easiest way is to back to the installer (alt-f1) and do net config, then re to the rescue |
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| 11:01.25 | jbmigel | jm_ lol then why are there so many clueless around today?!? that plan failed miserably |
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| 11:01.33 | kneet_ | Exim4 question - dnslookup section - has all the rcf1918 and APIPA addresses in ignore_target_hosts. This includes 192.168.0.0/16 - I need to allow 192.168.3.0 net - anyway of saying ignore all of 192.168 except 192.168.3? |
| 11:01.37 | jm_ | jbmigel: they are always here ;) |
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| 11:01.45 | ChrisW | oKtosiTe: how does your advice differ from jm_'s? |
| 11:01.55 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:02.51 | doub | kneet_: allow 192.168.3.0/24 maybe? |
| 11:03.00 | joloc | doub: many thanks! |
| 11:03.10 | ChrisW | what does apt-get dist-upgrade do? |
| 11:03.16 | ChrisW | any reasons I should NOT do it? |
| 11:03.26 | doub | ChrisW: it upgrades your distribution |
| 11:03.48 | doub | ChrisW: one reason is you want to stick with some software version for compatibility/security reasons |
| 11:03.52 | kjparker | i was on the understanding i wouldn't need to do that to move to etch? or am I mistaken? |
| 11:04.14 | redge- | what's the difference between apt-get upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
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| 11:04.56 | doub | joloc: np. does it work now? |
| 11:04.59 | spiorf | redge-, update only download and install new versions of installed packages |
| 11:05.13 | spiorf | s/update/upgrade/ |
| 11:05.27 | ChrisW | okay, I'll have to look at thjis later then |
| 11:05.29 | ChrisW | no time right now :-S |
| 11:05.33 | redge- | thank you |
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| 11:05.48 | spiorf | dist-upgrade downoad new versions and resolves new dependencies |
| 11:05.49 | Noid | non-us being part of main means that i no longer need the non-us lines in sources.list, right? |
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| 11:06.06 | doub | Noid: for sarge, yes |
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| 11:06.26 | Noid | doub: thanks |
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| 11:06.30 | kjparker | just out of curiosity, is there a version of aptitude that does have "super cow powers"? |
| 11:06.31 | kjparker | :) |
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| 11:06.34 | doub | Noid: better than that, they won't work anymore, AFAIK |
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| 11:07.23 | Noid | doub: so all packages have been merged into main? is this true for etch too? |
| 11:07.25 | doub | kjparker: the main aptitude developper seems not to like super cow powers, maybe you can patch it |
| 11:07.25 | jbmigel | hey does anyone remember what to apt-get install for GNOME in woody, i cant search website anymore |
| 11:08.10 | doub | Noid: yes, true for sarge, and it should remain so for etch, unless the US govt re-enable export restrictions, which was the reason for non-us to exist |
| 11:08.14 | directhex|work | why use woody? |
| 11:08.27 | EmleyMoor | jbmigel: Still running woody? |
| 11:08.41 | K_Dallas | well, i tried this: md5sum -v -c foo.md5 2>&1 > file and still nothing in the file and all on the screen |
| 11:08.43 | joloc | doub: will boot install-cd now... |
| 11:08.57 | Noid | doub: oh, i didn't know they have dropped the restrictions, now that explains it, thanks |
| 11:08.57 | jm_ | that's because 2>&1 >file is a wrong way to do it |
| 11:09.06 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 11:09.17 | K_Dallas | just 2> ? |
| 11:09.19 | Noid | s/have/had |
| 11:09.20 | jbmigel | directhex|work, EmleyMoor Im just installing it in qemu to play with LILO but i cant remember what gnome package is... its not just gnome there is more do you remember what? |
| 11:09.32 | kjparker | hmm, wtf? i just did an aptitude dist-upgrade and among other things, it is installing appletalk? |
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| 11:09.39 | doub | Noid: at least they have weakened them. i'm not from US, so i don't really know |
| 11:10.10 | kjparker | apt-get moo **lol** |
| 11:11.09 | sarge_is_now | who knows why grub is the default loader in sarge ^ |
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| 11:11.51 | renegad3 | hi dudes, i installed the bluez-utils package on my laptop and it looks like it removed a package for my touchpad :( is there a way to find what package was removed? |
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| 11:12.04 | Anthro | sarge_is_now: It seemed like a good idea at the time? |
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| 11:12.32 | sarge_is_now | anthro what do you mean ? |
| 11:12.43 | umbop | hey guys, just wondering with samba, why you would require submounting directories? i.e. submounting /home/dir to /mnt/dir ? |
| 11:12.49 | Anthro | sarge_is_now: I'm kidding. |
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| 11:13.01 | umbop | when you coul djust share the /home/dir directory, or if needs must, mount -bind, or symlink? |
| 11:13.08 | sarge_is_now | antrho: kidding ? |
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| 11:13.49 | Anthro | So either procmail or spamassassin is adding a ) to the end of every mail message. How do I track it down and keep it from doing so? And what could I be doing wrong? |
| 11:13.51 | Guerin | !grand |
| 11:13.51 | dpkg | It's not called the GRAND Unified Bootloader for nothing. |
| 11:13.55 | technos | New Stable, MacOS on 32-bit Intel, and the River Styx is currently 34F.. All we'd need is a lesser sign at this point, and Mephistopheles will have to whip out his hockey skates.. |
| 11:14.01 | Anthro | sarge_is_now: never mind |
| 11:14.03 | Guerin | the basic reason is that grub is better than lilo |
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| 11:14.13 | jbmigel | cant anyone remember yesterday? like what to apt-get install in WOODY to get gnome im not kidding! |
| 11:14.31 | directhex|work | gnome-desktop, something like that |
| 11:14.37 | coachz | Where to get new sarge iso please. The mirrors i'm checking don't seem to have it. |
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| 11:14.47 | Anthro | technos: Longhorn will ship on schedule? |
| 11:14.52 | Guerin | coachz: cdimage.debian.org |
| 11:14.58 | sarge_is_now | ciachz: the official mirrors got it |
| 11:15.02 | technos | jbmigel: Start with apt-cache search gnome- | less, you'll see -desktop and -common and the like. Install desktop and common. |
| 11:15.02 | directhex|work | technos, intel 6xx series pentiums are 64 bit |
| 11:15.06 | kneet_ | doub, thanks for the tip - I'll give it a go - still learning the exim configs :) |
| 11:15.25 | Podz | Does Sarge recognise the Belkin54g wireless card ? I can't find it mentioned in the docs |
| 11:15.37 | coachz | guerin, that just takes me back to the mirror list that doesn't have raw isos |
| 11:15.42 | tarzeau | what should i use MAXPATHLEN or PATH_MAX? |
| 11:15.48 | coachz | i just want to dl the raw CD iso |
| 11:15.57 | jbmigel | technos yes i tried that but it scrolls off my X terminal too fast and i cant scroll lock up cuz im running in qemu and it dont work so i cant tell the normal way |
| 11:16.06 | ttick | !faq |
| 11:16.06 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 11:16.07 | technos | directhex|work: I don't figure that'll be what they'll be using off the bat.. Their problem with IBM as I understand it was the puny laptop chips they were forced to ship. |
| 11:16.25 | technos | jbmigel: less is a paginator. It won't scroll off your terminal. |
| 11:16.38 | coachz | is it only out for jigdo and bittorent ? |
| 11:16.45 | coachz | and not for just raw iso |
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| 11:16.52 | directhex|work | technos, they'll start shipping for real about the time intel have yonah-core chips ready to ship, which are dual-core em64t pentium-m's |
| 11:16.53 | technos | directhex|work: So what Apple will be most interested in at this point are the low power 32-bit chips. |
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| 11:17.01 | jbmigel | technos yeah i though of that as i typed it to you... thanks |
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| 11:17.15 | coachz | cuz these dirs are empty: ftp://ftp.ndlug.nd.edu/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:17.20 | emme | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:17.37 | Guerin | coachz: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 11:17.38 | coachz | is this the push to make everyone install jigdo ? |
| 11:17.46 | Guerin | coachz: it's not fucking rocket science, mate |
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| 11:18.00 | coachz | well now you're on it! |
| 11:18.01 | coachz | thanks |
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| 11:18.08 | coachz | 14 cds wow |
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| 11:18.14 | liran_ | when i allow sshd in hosts.allow do i put `sshd: ALL:ALL` or is it plain ssh? |
| 11:18.17 | coachz | how many do i need for network install ? |
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| 11:18.20 | technos | Anthro: No Microsoft OS release is ever on time. So the chances of that happening are slimmer than hell freezing over. |
| 11:18.24 | InitMass | what good alternatives are there to Novell Groupwise? i want it to be open source |
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| 11:18.51 | Guerin | coachz: you need the businesscard disk |
| 11:19.01 | _joey | what does Novel Groupwise offer? |
| 11:19.08 | coachz | just that one only ? |
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| 11:19.19 | Guerin | coachz: yes. |
| 11:19.21 | coachz | sweet |
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| 11:19.38 | F-Lelo | Hello Guys... I'm having a hard time finding a good high availability step-by-step howto... |
| 11:19.39 | coachz | thank you kind Guerin |
| 11:19.44 | F-Lelo | Does anyone knows a good one? |
| 11:19.45 | _joey | technos but we all know Microsoft Win is zzee best :) so we can excuse them for being a little late occasionally |
| 11:19.55 | Nosklo | debian stable 3.1 rox, but i cant find the stable dvd images to download, neither using bittorrent nor using jigdo. www.debian.org/CD didnt help. can someone point me? |
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| 11:20.25 | coachz | Nosklo, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/ |
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| 11:20.42 | technos | _joey: The last time I can honestly say they were producing a superior product was the day before they broke out of their OS/2 deal with IBM. |
| 11:20.43 | Dr_O | F-Lelo: howto do what? |
| 11:20.45 | jbmigel | omg there is no more wrapper for gnome available in woody... if i upgrade to sarge will it try to replace LILO with GRUB? |
| 11:20.55 | jm_ | Nosklo: ehh? and what's this on the web page -- Official torrents for the stable release on DVD ? |
| 11:20.57 | Guerin | jbmigel: no |
| 11:21.02 | F-Lelo | Dr_O: High availability with web and email :) |
| 11:21.03 | jbmigel | sweet |
| 11:21.03 | _joey | technos I can't remember back that far |
| 11:21.24 | _joey | so can't comment on it |
| 11:21.38 | technos | _joey: my memory is fuzzy back that far, but I make sure to keep a set of Microsoft OS/2 discs around to remind me. :) |
| 11:22.04 | coachz | congratulations to the debian elite for the great new sarge ! |
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| 11:22.30 | zu22 | the Debian Illuminati |
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| 11:22.38 | zu22 | a rogue band of shadowy coders |
| 11:22.39 | coachz | it is very appreciated. we are putting it on 2 of our production servers this week |
| 11:22.44 | coachz | haha |
| 11:22.48 | zu22 | lol |
| 11:22.53 | coachz | with attitude ! |
| 11:23.05 | technos | zu22: Stop yourself before you break into the opening line from The A-Team. |
| 11:23.41 | coachz | what's the line ? |
| 11:23.41 | directhex|work | i love it when a plan comes together |
| 11:23.41 | coachz | i love the A-Team |
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| 11:23.41 | coachz | ahhh |
| 11:23.41 | Anthro | F-Lelo: Well, it depends on what you mean by high availability. I mean, standard practices aren't Debian- or even Linux-specific. Use RAID, have a hot spare machine, have redundant network connections... |
| 11:23.41 | coachz | and remember Banacek ? |
| 11:23.44 | technos | In 1972 a team of crack.... C'mon, no one remembers the A-Team? |
| 11:23.44 | Dr_O | F-Lelo: two very diferent things. SMTP is resiliant by nature (MX records mean anything to you?) while HTTP you'll need to investigate http://www.linux-ha.org/ |
| 11:23.48 | Nosklo | coachz: thanks |
| 11:23.53 | coachz | np |
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| 11:24.11 | technos | I only remember Banacek from re-runs. |
| 11:24.21 | coachz | those were good shows |
| 11:24.39 | IRCMunky | Is it possible to downgrade sid to sarge? Sid box has not been updated since sarge release... |
| 11:24.47 | K_Dallas | is it by any chance possible to install and select the packages you like to have via netinstallation and make mediums, CDs, which the next time would do just that? That would basically make my installation into 2CDs max? Thanks |
| 11:24.53 | directhex|work | IRCMunky, not fully, no. |
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| 11:25.09 | Guerin | IRCMunky: you might get away with it, but there are a bunch of packages in sid which aren't in sarge |
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| 11:25.17 | paulswm | technos: Heck, I remember Rawhide, Wagon Train and Maverick. |
| 11:25.23 | IRCMunky | Directhex, but partly? Its only a mail and dns server |
| 11:25.28 | Guerin | IRCMunky: don't try it unless your apt-fu is very strong |
| 11:25.39 | IRCMunky | apt-fu? |
| 11:25.42 | jm_ | K_Dallas: you can build your own CD-s the same way they get built for a release |
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| 11:25.54 | Guerin | yes. Apt-fu. Dpkg-fu can be useful too. |
| 11:26.01 | Anthro | IRCMunky: If you are running a network-facing server, you should almost certainly be running stable. |
| 11:26.07 | Dr_O | IRCMunky: investigate apt preferences... |
| 11:26.10 | K_Dallas | jm_, any link for more details on that? thanks |
| 11:26.24 | IRCMunky | thanks for the pointers guys. will look into it |
| 11:26.25 | jm_ | K_Dallas: apt-get install debian-cd |
| 11:26.38 | K_Dallas | ok, thank you |
| 11:26.51 | leonel | I know I know sarge is just out but let me ask : Is there a gnome 2.10 backport for sarge ? |
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| 11:27.48 | Dr_O | IRCMunky: http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 |
| 11:28.29 | coachz | does sarge use xorg by default ? |
| 11:28.38 | InitMass | _joey, novell groupwise if offering a calendar, and syncronised contact lists and such for a company |
| 11:28.40 | jm_ | coachz: read release announcement |
| 11:28.46 | Guerin | leonel: nttbomk |
| 11:29.19 | coachz | ok, if i can find it ;-) |
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| 11:29.53 | tarzeau | who wanted to run/test supertransball2 ? |
| 11:29.56 | jm_ | there's a link on www.debian.org, front-page, very surprising place to find it |
| 11:30.09 | coachz | what are the odds of that ? |
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| 11:30.23 | leonel | Guerin, nttbomk ? let's google for it |
| 11:30.41 | jm_ | release announcement, doh |
| 11:30.42 | technos | paulswm: Poor man.. Rawhide was a waste! |
| 11:30.49 | directhex|work | coachz, sarge uses xfree86 4.3 with backports from 4.4rc2 |
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| 11:31.31 | coachz | rats |
| 11:31.44 | Guerin | !ttbomk |
| 11:31.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, ttbomk is to the best of my knowledge |
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| 11:32.14 | Guerin | !rtfrm |
| 11:32.26 | Guerin | grr |
| 11:32.32 | technos | Guerin: You broke the bot! |
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| 11:32.48 | tarzeau | can someone test gnu.ethz.ch/debian/supertransball2/ please ? |
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| 11:33.18 | coachz | so far the install is sweet, autopartitioner zoomed right on |
| 11:33.29 | coachz | this is with the businesscard cd |
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| 11:33.30 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 11:33.30 | dpkg | rtfrn is, like, Read the Fucking Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 11:33.44 | silverwolf | What is keeping gnome 2.10 out of unstable at the moment? |
| 11:33.48 | coachz | dhcp is happy and new sarge is imminent |
| 11:33.55 | tarzeau | silverwolf: release parties |
| 11:34.03 | directhex|work | silverwolf, hangovers from sarge's release |
| 11:34.04 | tarzeau | silverwolf: we will party for 3 years now |
| 11:34.40 | tarzeau | directhex|work: heh |
| 11:34.40 | directhex|work | !woody |
| 11:34.40 | dpkg | somebody said woody was the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 11:34.40 | silverwolf | tarzeau, oki. So now gnome will get high priority again |
| 11:34.51 | tarzeau | silverwolf: gnome? high priority? |
| 11:34.51 | directhex|work | Guerin, fix it! |
| 11:35.00 | tarzeau | silverwolf: no, it's not so important if you ask me |
| 11:35.07 | bobbens | tarzeau: i agree |
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| 11:35.13 | Guerin | directhex|work: ? |
| 11:35.18 | silverwolf | tarzeau, so there aint going 3 months from release of the gnome source 2.10, until it maybe get into unstable |
| 11:35.19 | nomed^ | hi |
| 11:35.47 | directhex|work | Guerin, think of an informative & witty replacement "woody" factoid. you're better at it than me |
| 11:36.00 | nomed^ | do you know how to generate a .Xauthority file? |
| 11:36.07 | jm_ | nomeata: with xauth |
| 11:36.11 | jm_ | nomed^ ^^^^^^ |
| 11:36.13 | Guerin | oh |
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| 11:36.31 | nomed^ | i can't understand the man ... |
| 11:36.32 | Guerin | i'm not feeling wildly inspired, but i'll try to get something up and going |
| 11:36.33 | coachz | uh oh, brick wall on retrieving the debian base system |
| 11:36.41 | nomed^ | it's not so simple .. |
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| 11:36.50 | coachz | i'm guessing the server is being pounded to death |
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| 11:37.36 | coachz | which isos does it take for a full base install? |
| 11:37.36 | Guerin | coachz: 1 |
| 11:37.36 | Guerin | coachz: try another server |
| 11:37.36 | xbm-x | do debian have any new updates? |
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| 11:37.39 | Guerin | (if you can) |
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| 11:37.50 | Guerin | the main servers should be holding up just fine |
| 11:37.57 | directhex|work | something funny about sustaining a woody for 3 years? |
| 11:38.07 | coachz | i failed at 7% dling apt, i'm trying again |
| 11:38.30 | coachz | i'm at 8% now so maybe just a hiccup |
| 11:38.31 | Guerin | directhex|work: i might just copy something verbatim off /. |
| 11:39.04 | directhex|work | http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=151857&cid=12740572 |
| 11:39.26 | xbm-x | did debian 3.1 come out? |
| 11:39.32 | coachz | for a full base install would i get this cd and that's all ? debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.iso |
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| 11:39.40 | Guerin | xbm-x: did you learn how to read? |
| 11:39.46 | Guerin | coachz: yes. |
| 11:39.49 | xbm-x | wtf |
| 11:39.56 | directhex|work | perhaps the topic should be ammended, since kde 3.4 is on alioth |
| 11:39.57 | coachz | thank you Guerin, very appreciated |
| 11:39.59 | Guerin | coachz: the netinst has base on it too |
| 11:40.03 | xbm-x | i was just asking thanks alot |
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| 11:40.22 | coachz | the businesscard install is progressing nicely now. 40% |
| 11:40.35 | azol | coachz: read first http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/ |
| 11:40.41 | coachz | thanks azol |
| 11:40.43 | Guerin | xbm-x: there's this thing called a topic - every irc channel has one. #debian's is very elucidating |
| 11:40.45 | mwe | my ~/.Xmodmap seems to be ignored :\ |
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| 11:40.58 | xbm-x | did any new linux came out or some thinking new i miss??????? |
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| 11:41.17 | Anthro | !topicsmite xbm-x |
| 11:41.18 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon xbm-x. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 11:41.35 | Guerin | xbm-x: no, afaik 2.6.12 isn't out yet |
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| 11:41.51 | Gandalfar | Guerin: any ETA? |
| 11:41.55 | directhex|work | >_< http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/06/msg00003.html |
| 11:41.57 | xbm-x | i feel like i miss some thinking i need to do a reseatch |
| 11:42.13 | directhex|work | 3.1r0 is already being replaced \o/ |
| 11:42.21 | coachz | azol, that's a huge bug oversight |
| 11:42.27 | Anthro | xbm-x: I feel like you need to find a channel in your native language. |
| 11:42.28 | coachz | not bug |
| 11:42.30 | drac | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/testing/ChangeLog-2.6.12-rc6. "Getting ready for the real release.. -Linus" |
| 11:42.32 | coachz | oversight |
| 11:42.43 | coachz | how the heck did they miss that ? |
| 11:42.48 | Gandalfar | drac: great :)) |
| 11:42.50 | involved | xbm-x: read /topic |
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| 11:43.41 | xbm-x | im on my windows but my laptop got debian |
| 11:44.45 | xbm-x | oh crap omg i need to do some thinking bye |
| 11:44.46 | hdo781 | My sources.lst shows that I'm using the testing repository. Now that Sarge is officially released, how do I change sources.lst so that I'm only using the Sarge repository? |
| 11:45.09 | streuner_ | hdo781: nano /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 11:45.17 | hdo781 | okay |
| 11:45.18 | Anthro | xbm-x has quit ("xbm-x has no reason") <--- so true |
| 11:45.21 | chealer | directhex|work: IMO /topic should s/is not packaged yet/-> #debian-kde |
| 11:45.27 | Dr_O | How do I teach dpkg a new factiod... I know how to do ine that uses a http:/// link but I have a non http factoid! |
| 11:45.28 | involved | hdo781: change testing to sarge |
| 11:45.29 | streuner_ | hdo781: and replace all line with 'testing' to 'sarge |
| 11:45.30 | directhex|work | hdo781, this is gonna sound complex: edit /etc/apt/sources.list, change "testing" to "sarge" |
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| 11:45.38 | Choubaka | Hmm. |
| 11:45.45 | hdo781 | That's all I have to do? |
| 11:45.48 | directhex|work | Dr_O, "dpkg, foo is bar" |
| 11:45.55 | directhex|work | hdo781, well, apt-get update afterwards |
| 11:45.59 | chealer | directhex|work: oh :( |
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| 11:46.20 | streuner_ | hdo781: and apt-get upgrade randomly ;-) |
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| 11:46.47 | leonel | !ttbomk |
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| 11:46.48 | hdo781 | I just installed Debian 3 days ago. Was I still using the testing repository or the Sarge repository at the time? |
| 11:46.49 | dpkg | hmm... ttbomk is to the best of my knowledge |
| 11:47.02 | Dron | Linux-shit!!! |
| 11:47.07 | streuner_ | hdo781: sarge was testing... |
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| 11:47.10 | directhex|work | hdo781, you were probably set to use "testing" |
| 11:47.15 | xtension | Dron heya |
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| 11:47.24 | xtension | Dron watch the language |
| 11:47.36 | Inflicted | I want to download Debian 3.1 Sarge i386 ISO images for CD - how many of them would I need for a pretty basic installation with useful server software? Im busy downloading disc1 now, do I need 2-14 discs? |
| 11:47.55 | leonel | Inflicted, disc1 will do |
| 11:48.01 | directhex|work | Inflicted, cd1 is enough for most people. infact, the 40mb bus9ness card iso is enough for most people |
| 11:48.13 | streuner_ | hdo781: sarge=stable, sid=unstable, etch=testing, before: woody=stable, sarge=testing... |
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| 11:48.35 | xpurple | Can anyone here give me a hand with a boot issue? |
| 11:48.43 | streuner_ | !d-i Inflicted |
| 11:48.44 | dpkg | Inflicted, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:49.02 | hdo781 | You know what. I'm scared that changing sources.lst is going to break some packages. I'm just going to stick with testing. |
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| 11:49.02 | streuner_ | !tell xpurple about ask |
| 11:49.44 | streuner_ | hdo781: there is nothing you could really make pretty false... |
| 11:49.50 | Inflicted | leonel: does disc 1 include window managers? like kde, gnome? |
| 11:50.01 | Guerin | directhex|work: 0 packages upgraded? |
| 11:50.05 | lazzer | If i want to upgrade can i upgrade over ssh or do i have to have physical acces to the computer? |
| 11:50.09 | kofj | disk 1 includes gnome |
| 11:50.10 | leonel | Inflicted, gnome |
| 11:50.24 | Anthro | Inflicted: Unless you will not have access to the network during your install, you don't need anything more than disc1 |
| 11:50.25 | streuner_ | hdo781: just set the lines to 'stable' |
| 11:50.27 | Guerin | lazzer: if you have a shell, you have a shell |
| 11:50.41 | Guerin | lazzer: the only thing you need local access for in unix is hardware stuff |
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| 11:50.47 | xpurple | After I did an apt-get dist-upgrade I can't boot. It rewrote my lilo.conf to an unusable state. I've got a boot disc that I'm using now. When I try to run lilo it gives me a glibc error. If I edit the lilo.conf back to where it should be and use "make system bootable" from the debian menu it rewrites lilo.con with a broken version. |
| 11:50.48 | coachz | I just did businesscard install and now it's installing the desktop automagically, i hope i don't get gnome |
| 11:50.49 | Inflicted | OK, thanks guys! |
| 11:50.53 | Guerin | (with rare exceptions) |
| 11:50.56 | leonel | Inflicted, there's a bug with the installer |
| 11:51.00 | Guerin | coachz: you will. |
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| 11:51.05 | directhex|work | hdo781, you'll find that you're exactly wrong, things are FAR mroe likely to break if you leave it as testing |
| 11:51.05 | coachz | crap |
| 11:51.06 | Dr_O | hdo781: keep a copy of the original. update sources.list to point to stable. aptutude update ; aptitude upgrade -s ; The -s simulates what is going to happen... if you don't like ot put your old sources.list back and do aptitude update and you are back wher you started. |
| 11:51.12 | Dron | linux-asshole |
| 11:51.12 | coachz | that's lame |
| 11:51.13 | lazzer | Guerin, i read in the guide that you should not upgrade over telnet etc.. |
| 11:51.17 | Guerin | coachz: if you selected the 'desktop' task, you'll get both kde and gnome |
| 11:51.19 | LSorense | coachz: well you can go install kde too |
| 11:51.25 | coachz | ok |
| 11:51.26 | streuner_ | xpurple: use a debian boot-floppy |
| 11:51.27 | leonel | Inflicted, after install change testing for sarge on the line security of your sources.list |
| 11:51.28 | xpurple | How can I get lilo to write the correct config |
| 11:51.29 | Guerin | lazzer: you shouldn't use telnet for anything |
| 11:51.34 | directhex|work | coachz, "desktop environment" is x, gnome, kde |
| 11:51.35 | LSorense | coachz: I tend to skip the tasks and install what I want |
| 11:51.39 | coachz | there should be a choice there |
| 11:51.39 | Dron | linux-asshole |
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| 11:51.46 | am88b | lazzer: if you are _really_ unlucky, you might lose your connection during upgrade |
| 11:51.47 | streuner_ | haha |
| 11:51.47 | coachz | i don't want no gnome ever |
| 11:51.48 | xpurple | streuner_: I'm using the minimal debian CD, isn't that the same thing? |
| 11:51.48 | lazzer | Guerin, so true :O |
| 11:51.49 | hdo781 | Okay |
| 11:52.02 | LSorense | coachz: sometimes I think the same about kde |
| 11:52.03 | Inflicted | leonel: okay, will do! thanks for that! :) |
| 11:52.10 | streuner_ | xpurple: and you got a glibc-error, odd :-) |
| 11:52.14 | coachz | LSorense, and you should have the choice |
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| 11:52.19 | xpurple | streuner_: Yeah |
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| 11:52.32 | LSorense | coachz: tasksel isn't really aimed at people that know what they are doing. |
| 11:52.38 | Anthro | !start a wm war |
| 11:52.38 | dpkg | blackbox sucks! |
| 11:52.40 | am88b | lazzer: for example if upgrading ssh will break you can't use ssh... so that's why it is 'safer' when you hav psyhical access |
| 11:52.41 | streuner_ | xpurple: do you have boot-floppies? |
| 11:52.42 | Guerin | coachz: you should have tested the installer earlier and filed a wishlist bug against it requesting this feature |
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| 11:52.57 | xpurple | streuner_: I don't know? |
| 11:52.59 | Dr_O | can someone teack dpkg about this fix for the sarge sources.list bug "sed -ie 's%^#\(.*\) testing/updates \(.*\)$%\1 stable/updates \2%' /etc/apt/sources.list" (stolen from #debian-boot) |
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| 11:53.08 | Anthro | am88b: It's *very* hard for an ssh upgrade to break an existing ssh connection. |
| 11:53.11 | streuner_ | xpurple: knoppix-live-CD? |
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| 11:53.18 | coachz | my business card version didn't have the bug of the commented out security updates in sources.lst |
| 11:53.21 | LSorense | Dr_O: why not sarge/updates |
| 11:53.23 | xpurple | streuner_: I have a knopix std cd |
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| 11:53.44 | xpurple | streuner_: No floppy drive |
| 11:53.49 | am88b | Anthro: yes, but you might upgrade your networking script and it might be broken or something |
| 11:53.59 | am88b | but that means you have to brake it first yourself |
| 11:54.02 | streuner_ | xpurple: ok, just try that, chroot it, edit your lilo.conf and run lilo -v without errors |
| 11:54.06 | Anthro | am88b: That will only affect things at boot. |
| 11:54.07 | Dr_O | LSorense: because people normally want a stabel system to track STABLE rather than become obsolete (say when etch is release) |
| 11:54.28 | xpurple | oooo |
| 11:54.36 | WodanTJ | Hi! I just upgraded to Sarge, from woody. And now I have problems with MySQL. I think that my host.MYI-table is in utf-8, and it seems that the official package isn't compiled with utf-8 support, Anyone experienced the same problem? |
| 11:54.38 | LSorense | Dr_O: true but if you were following testing and wanted to migrate to stable when it transitiononed, you should be following sarge not testing |
| 11:54.51 | LSorense | Dr_O: replacing sarge with stable makes sense. having testing in there does not |
| 11:54.51 | streuner_ | !upgrade tests |
| 11:54.52 | dpkg | Upgrade Tests - It is recommended to read the release notes before upgrading, and in particular Chapter 4, "Upgrades from previous releases". upgrade report template to help when reporting problems with the upgrades (http://release.debian.org/upgrade-report.html). If you do run into problems please fill it out, and email it to submit@bugs.debian.org, thanks. |
| 11:55.39 | Dr_O | LSorense: true! |
| 11:55.48 | Anthro | streuner,xpurple: That almost works. You will have to remount the filesystem because knoppix, by default, mounts nodev (and maybe nosuid and noexec, too). |
| 11:56.24 | folial_ | hi! about apt configuration: only ways to set distribution version is in /etc/apt/apt.conf:'APT::Default-Release "testing";' and /etc/apt/preferences, is it right? I set Pin-Priority to 800 for testing and to 600 for stable... but it doesn't seem to work... new packages are however picked up by stable sources... how can it happen? Thanks!!! |
| 11:56.36 | Inflicted | leonel: sarge installs kernel 2.4 by default, right?? but does sarge support linux kernel 2.6?? what do i have to do install debian with kernel 2.6? |
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| 11:57.18 | Dr_O | Inflicted: press f1 through f10 when you boot your system and read about Linux26 |
| 11:57.24 | shingouz | !tell Inflicted about 2.6 |
| 11:57.56 | folial_ | i set all sources with testing/stable/unstable... i think correctly |
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| 11:58.00 | Inflicted | Dr_O: ok |
| 11:58.04 | leonel | Inflicted, at the boot prompt start with linux26 |
| 11:58.11 | IDC | sarge is out ? cool |
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| 11:58.33 | IDC | missed you guys,how are you lately ? |
| 11:58.38 | Dr_O | Inflicted: if you have already installed your system refer to the advice shingouz got dpkg to send you! |
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| 11:59.00 | shingouz | IDC: heard all the "is sarge out" questions in the world, otherwise pretty good. you? |
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| 11:59.19 | jb__ | Will the securtiy update support for woody be stopped, now that sarge is the new stable? |
| 11:59.24 | Anthro | !knoppix lilo fix |
| 11:59.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, knoppix lilo fix is You can fix a broken lilo bootstrap by booting with knoppix, mounting your linux partition(s), chrooting, modifying lilo.conf, and running lilo -v. You must make sure the filesystems are not mounted nodev, however. mount -o remount,dev,exec,suid <mountpoint> |
| 11:59.28 | xtension | im at a dedicated server provider and the mysql db is accessible from the net ?? |
| 11:59.32 | IDC | shingouz, cool,yea im doing okay,thanks :) been testing fbsd on my client machine though,my debian server is still running |
| 11:59.32 | xpurple | streuner_: That worked like a charp. Thank you! |
| 11:59.35 | shingouz | jb__: not immediately but eventually. lets say about a year |
| 11:59.36 | Inflicted | Dr_O: im doing a clean install of sarge, my 1st time installing debian... |
| 11:59.37 | xpurple | streuner_: Err, charm |
| 11:59.52 | shingouz | IDC: you heretic! you going to move to fbsd? |
| 12:00.16 | IDC | shingouz, I just installed fbsd on my client machine ,no..i dont think so |
| 12:00.18 | jb__ | shingouz: do you have a url? I didn't find any statement about this on the debian website |
| 12:00.21 | shingouz | Inflicted: in that case install with linux26 |
| 12:00.47 | shingouz | jb__: no i dont have an url. you should be moving up to sarge in anycase with the woody systems |
| 12:00.49 | Dr_O | jb__: have you looked at security.debian.org and read the FAQ? There should be woody security support for 12 months or untill etch is release which ever is sooner (ie 12 months) |
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| 12:00.56 | shingouz | IDC: ok, just checking ;) |
| 12:01.03 | IDC | :) |
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| 12:01.28 | xtension | does the mysql server have to be accessible from the net for any reason i can not think of ? |
| 12:01.46 | Inflicted | shingouz: is there any stability differences between sarge and kernels 2.4 and 2.6?? why didnt they make the 2.6 kernel the default if its the better option?? |
| 12:01.47 | shingouz | IDC: the point is, if you move to bsd i have to set a nice onjoin flamebot for you :p |
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| 12:01.55 | Guerin | xtension: only if you run apps in a chroot which can't see the socket file |
| 12:02.07 | xtension | Guerin thanks man |
| 12:02.15 | shingouz | Inflicted: i didt say it is a better option |
| 12:02.32 | shingouz | Inflicted: that is one of the things with linux, freedom of choice |
| 12:02.43 | folial_ | sorry, anyone could try to explain me how can be that when I apt-get packages, they are picked up by "stable" sources, although i have /etc/apt/apt.conf:'APT::Default-Release "testing";' and /etc/apt/preferences set with Pin-Priority to 800 for "testing" and to 600 for "stable"? |
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| 12:02.59 | nksen | Inflicted: it isn't as stable as 2.4 |
| 12:03.02 | Anarcho | "Inflicted: that is one of the things with linux, freedom of choice" <- Thats the very best! |
| 12:03.14 | directhex|work | depends how you define "stable" |
| 12:03.19 | shingouz | Anarcho: ty |
| 12:03.19 | xtension | Guerin its a manged server ! jezus i could be pissed |
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| 12:03.26 | folial_ | which would be the more correct manner? |
| 12:03.30 | directhex|work | 2.4 is "stable" in that it's in maintenance mode, and gets nothing new or useful |
| 12:03.36 | Gathond | Inflicted: better depends on how you define your scale |
| 12:03.40 | folial_ | the most correct... ;-) |
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| 12:03.44 | Anarcho | shingouz: ty ? whats that? |
| 12:03.44 | folial_ | sorry |
| 12:03.53 | Anarcho | is it thank you? |
| 12:03.54 | shingouz | Anarcho: Thank You |
| 12:04.00 | directhex|work | 2.4 is also useless if you use serial ATA or other modern things like that |
| 12:04.12 | coachz | Is there an automated way to determine the fastest mirror? |
| 12:04.34 | paulswm | folial_: do you have lines for testing in your /etc/apt/sources.list? Also, I think that stable and testing are identical at the moment. |
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| 12:04.38 | directhex|work | coachz, apt-spy |
| 12:04.41 | folial_ | yes, i have |
| 12:04.49 | coachz | cool |
| 12:04.51 | IDC | shingouz, :) |
| 12:04.56 | folial_ | uhm... |
| 12:05.07 | shingouz | IDC: what did i do now? :p |
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| 12:05.12 | xtension | Guerin hes also doing samba accessible from the net ? |
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| 12:05.20 | hondza | Hey guys! I cannot find torrent for sources DVD for sarge? Is there any? |
| 12:05.31 | folial_ | identical, that could be... but... |
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| 12:05.48 | IDC | shingouz, the bot thing ,haha |
| 12:05.59 | coachz | directhex|work, do i need to install it? apt-get install spy ? |
| 12:06.06 | folial_ | it would have to pick package of the same version, but always from correct source, or not? |
| 12:06.16 | chaps0063 | hi, i need assistance getting my thumb drive to work, its a cruzer mini 256mb |
| 12:06.17 | directhex|work | coachz, apt-spy, yes it needs installing |
| 12:06.25 | shingouz | IDC: oh, that one. i thought you would like it, would fit very well with the debian style of suppport, wouldn't it? |
| 12:06.33 | directhex|work | chaps0063, do you use a desktop environment like gnome or kde? |
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| 12:06.34 | coachz | like this ? apt-get install spy |
| 12:06.40 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, I am using kde. |
| 12:06.42 | LouCyphre | hello |
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| 12:07.02 | paulswm | shingouz: To really fit, we need Lethal Injection Over IP :P |
| 12:07.06 | directhex|work | chaps0063, "adduser yourusername plugdev", kde should *hopefully* automount it for you. assuming a 2.6 kernel and udev. |
| 12:07.19 | shingouz | paulswm: yeah, neat! when do we implement it? |
| 12:07.29 | coachz | i got it, thanks |
| 12:07.35 | Dr_O | Hey guys shouldn't we be teaching "aptitude install <pkgname>" to people now sarge is out? |
| 12:07.36 | IDC | shingouz, haha :) well,im just testing this fbsd,im very likely to reinstall debian :) i notice the difference when ppl said fbsd is superior than debian when it was kernel2.2x and now its 2.6 |
| 12:07.42 | directhex|work | coachz, why is it when i say "apt-spy" three times, you mangle it? |
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| 12:07.47 | directhex|work | Dr_O, i always have done |
| 12:07.54 | coachz | third time was the charm |
| 12:07.55 | LouCyphre | trying to update apt-get from woody to sarge I got this: "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room", just a problem here? |
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| 12:08.05 | shingouz | !dynamic mmap |
| 12:08.05 | dpkg | from memory, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 12:08.06 | chaps0063 | directhex|work, it says I am already a member of plugdev |
| 12:08.07 | Dr_O | !release notes |
| 12:08.07 | dpkg | from memory, release notes is http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/releasenotes |
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| 12:08.16 | coachz | plus i'm mentally challenged, no actually, i'm downright stupid |
| 12:08.30 | LouCyphre | mh thanks |
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| 12:08.38 | directhex|work | dpkg, dynamic mmap is also The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 12:08.38 | dpkg | okay, directhex|work |
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| 12:09.00 | shingouz | paulswm: maybe you should teach dpkg that protocol too |
| 12:09.21 | paulswm | shingouz: Heh, I tell you, I could thin out the channel :P |
| 12:09.28 | shingouz | :D |
| 12:09.32 | LouCyphre | aptitude gives me that same mmap error... |
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| 12:09.45 | shingouz | the channel *is* a bit fatter today though |
| 12:09.50 | ttick | WooHoo, got my crappy ThinkPad soundcard to work! Right now it's a fluke, but I think instead of actually figuring out how to fix it permently I'll just enjoy the tunes for a bit. :) (thanks shingouz) |
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| 12:10.07 | Dr_O | LouCyphre: have you read the release notes? |
| 12:10.20 | xpurple | Hmm, now another issue. I can't run x programs remotely. It worked great before the upgrade |
| 12:10.21 | shingouz | ttick: nice. did you do the module reloading? |
| 12:10.29 | chaps0063 | is there a manual way to get my usb thumb drive to work? |
| 12:10.31 | LouCyphre | beg your pardon, I will :o) |
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| 12:10.55 | xirtam | which mysql-version is currently in stable/sarge ? |
| 12:11.02 | xtension | what are the changes my sytem is being compromised when i get direkt connections from the net on the database ? |
| 12:11.28 | Dr_O | xpurple: what did you upgrade your desktop (Xserver) or your remote machine (Xclient) |
| 12:11.36 | ttick | shingouz: I changed a lot of variables ( :( ). Kernel 2.8.11 now (instead of .8), alsaconf (probed all the cs cards), modprobe cs4232 blah blah blah, update-modules. Then I tested and it worked. So I'm not sure which steps are or aren't necessary. |
| 12:11.39 | shingouz | !tell chaps0063 about usb-storage |
| 12:11.48 | Dr_O | xpurple: are you using ssh to tunnel X? |
| 12:11.48 | xpurple | Dr_O: My remote clinet. From woody to sarge |
| 12:11.52 | xpurple | Dr_O: Yes, ssh |
| 12:12.16 | xpurple | Dr_O: sshd_config and ssh_config look good |
| 12:12.20 | Dr_O | you might need to check out /etc/ssh/sshd_config on the remote box... |
| 12:12.35 | shingouz | ttick: ok. when you reboot the thing, see if the sounds still work. if not, i think you will have to reload the sounds modules after pcmcia has come up (as per IBM instructions) |
| 12:12.44 | xtension | whats is a good server provider for modest prizes running debian ? |
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| 12:13.04 | Dr_O | xpurple: you know about the -Y switch to ssh... Bit esoteric but may do the trick! |
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| 12:13.52 | Guerin | xtension: define good and modest |
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| 12:14.08 | xpurple | Dr_O: No good |
| 12:14.17 | chaps0063 | thanks shingouz.. |
| 12:14.19 | Dr_O | X11Forwarding yes in sshd_config? |
| 12:14.25 | shingouz | chaps0063: works? |
| 12:14.26 | xpurple | Dr_O: Yep |
| 12:14.26 | ttick | shingouz: you're prolly right. But for right now I think I'll just groove on the tunes. I made the mistake last time of trying to reproduce success :/. Anyway, I'll prolly hit you back with questions about how to make this change perm later, when I either get bored of my ogg collection, or reboot. ;) |
| 12:14.30 | chaps0063 | shingouz, yes. |
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| 12:14.41 | shingouz | ttick: ok :) |
| 12:14.41 | OleMoudi | (with "testing" sources) the 404 errors I get on apt-get update are normal or should I change something in my sources.list ? |
| 12:14.46 | shingouz | chaps0063: excellent |
| 12:14.51 | sobersabre | i wanted to upgrade sarge to stable... |
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| 12:14.54 | Guerin | !testing security |
| 12:14.55 | dpkg | [testing security] Testing DOES NOT have security updates, now that sarge has released. Try "deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main" |
| 12:14.56 | Dr_O | How about -vvv on the ssh command to get more clues! |
| 12:15.08 | chaps0063 | shingouz, windows doesn't burn iso's well without nero...so i needed to get the iso into linux |
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| 12:15.17 | sobersabre | fileutils and coreutils have same /bin/chgrp and they conflict. how to overcome |? |
| 12:15.28 | Guerin | sobersabre: they shouldn't |
| 12:15.38 | xtension | Guerin someone who KNOWS what they are doing at least and modest ? i dont have a clue about prizes but lets says 100 euris pm or so ? |
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| 12:15.39 | Guerin | !find bin/chgrp sarge |
| 12:15.46 | swatikiss | now that i have been on testing/sarge for a year now... should i now turn my box into "stable" or should I still keep in on testing ? |
| 12:15.50 | shingouz | chaps0063: hehe.. windows doesnt do anything well imho ;) |
| 12:15.51 | Guerin | xtension: oh, managed server? |
| 12:15.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/chgrp' (1): (/bin/chgrp) in base/coreutils. |
| 12:15.56 | sobersabre | Guerin, they do :) |
| 12:16.10 | Guerin | sobersabre: see above. purge fileutils. |
| 12:16.13 | Dr_O | swatikiss: what do you want from your box... ? |
| 12:16.14 | chaps0063 | shingouz, i hear ya, i am starting to believe that more and more... |
| 12:16.17 | xtension | Guerin well i think ill manage it myself |
| 12:16.20 | xpurple | Dr_O: That tells me a lot of stuff when I ssh in, but nothing other than the same error when I try to run xtem |
| 12:16.25 | sobersabre | i've replaced "testing" with "stable" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 12:16.28 | chaps0063 | How can i get the brightness on my monitor to adjust based on the fact if i am connected to ac or not? |
| 12:16.31 | jm_ | xpurple: /msg dpkg sshx |
| 12:16.34 | sobersabre | thought of smooth upgrade... |
| 12:16.39 | Guerin | xtension: I use rimuhosting.com, and they're great. |
| 12:16.42 | swatikiss | Dr_O, i just want it to run :) |
| 12:16.46 | Dr_O | xpurple: what is the error message |
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| 12:16.51 | tarzeau | chaps0063: there's some window maker dockapp that can find out, UTSL |
| 12:16.58 | shingouz | chaps0063: if you make your main computer into a pure linux box for a few months you do not want to go back to windows again. been there and had it happen years ago |
| 12:17.02 | xpurple | Dr_O: xterm Xt error: Can't open display: |
| 12:17.04 | Dr_O | swatikiss: change to stabel then! |
| 12:17.05 | tarzeau | chaps0063: xgamma *hint* |
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| 12:17.08 | xtension | Guerin ahhhh |
| 12:17.22 | Dr_O | xpurple: you tried to "echo $DISPLAY" |
| 12:17.24 | Gandalfar | varnost.si :)) |
| 12:17.27 | xtension | Guerin debian ? |
| 12:17.39 | Dr_O | xpurple: got xauth installed? |
| 12:17.45 | xtension | Guerin yeah |
| 12:17.50 | xtension | Guerin thanks |
| 12:17.51 | Kekec | Where are the md5sum files for Sarge images? |
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| 12:17.58 | tarzeau | Kekec: on the servers? |
| 12:18.18 | xtension | Mighty Linux Servers + Unmatched Support eheh |
| 12:18.29 | Dr_O | xpurple: permissions on .Xauthority |
| 12:18.32 | xpurple | Display is undefiend |
| 12:18.34 | chaps0063 | shingouz, well we use all windows boxes here where I work, however we have some osx boxes...the nice thing was that my brief knowledge of linux allowed me to restart apple's remote desktop through ssh.. |
| 12:18.40 | Inflicted | Kekec: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-cd/MD5SUMS (thats for iso CDs - i386) |
| 12:18.41 | ttick | <-- has been on pure linux for about 3 years now. Only miss a few MS applications. Dreamweaver, Photoshop and Chessbase. :/ |
| 12:18.51 | jm_ | again the same stupid questions about md5sums as the last time |
| 12:18.51 | chaps0063 | and since i am the only person with linux experience in the tech department... |
| 12:18.53 | Kekec | tarzeau: Which servers? |
| 12:18.57 | shingouz | chaps0063: hehehe... |
| 12:19.00 | xpurple | Dr_O: 600 |
| 12:19.01 | coachz | ttick, that's where vmware comes to the rescue |
| 12:19.05 | tarzeau | Kekec: where you donwload it form, official ones |
| 12:19.20 | ttick | coachz: well, that's kinda a cheat. but yes, if you can afford it. |
| 12:19.29 | Kekec | tarzeau: I used torrent! |
| 12:19.30 | xtension | Guerin i miss the 'get me a server now' link anyway it looks excellent |
| 12:19.36 | xpurple | Dr_O: xauth was missing |
| 12:19.39 | sobersabre | guys, i want to have grub entry of memtest86 ... how do i do this ? |
| 12:19.43 | Inflicted | Kekec: go here... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ and choose your platform, then view the md5 sums file.. |
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| 12:19.48 | sobersabre | i've apt-get install'ed memtest86 |
| 12:19.48 | xpurple | Dr_O: The update must have removed that for some reason. |
| 12:19.59 | TimeKilla | good morning fellaz. How do i restard my xdm from the command line? |
| 12:20.03 | swatikiss | Dr_O, so my current setup, sarge/testing is now sarge/stable |
| 12:20.11 | chaps0063 | shingouz, and look at that, the iso burns correctly.. |
| 12:20.12 | directhex|work | TimeKilla, /etc/init.d/xdm restart |
| 12:20.22 | shingouz | chaps0063: the wonders of cdrecord |
| 12:20.28 | chaps0063 | k3b. |
| 12:20.31 | Guerin | xtension: they do server setups in realtime over irc or instant messenger |
| 12:20.33 | shingouz | same thing |
| 12:20.36 | chaps0063 | yup.. |
| 12:20.38 | chaps0063 | i like it.. |
| 12:20.38 | Kekec | Thanks! |
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| 12:20.47 | Guerin | xtension: i got mine in under 24 hours via email |
| 12:20.50 | Dr_O | swatikiss: sounds about rght! |
| 12:20.59 | ttick | ack, kinda new to irc, LOL |
| 12:21.01 | coachz | If we could pick KDE or GNOME during install it would sure speed up this LONG network download. Please add this ability guys. |
| 12:21.25 | xpurple | Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA" |
| 12:21.27 | Wyzard | coachz: No it wouldn't, because you'd just have to download it during installation instead |
| 12:21.27 | Dr_O | xpurple: strange... but at least you've fixed it! |
| 12:21.30 | Guerin | coachz: we can't; the installer is done. If you want to stop it, hit ctrl-c and retry |
| 12:21.37 | xpurple | Dr_O: Thank you very much :) |
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| 12:21.45 | Guerin | coachz: he means one or the other, for people who know which one they want |
| 12:21.49 | coachz | Wyzard, this is installation and it's getting both |
| 12:21.54 | coachz | guerin is right |
| 12:22.01 | Dr_O | xpurple: you are joking about the NSA message right! |
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| 12:22.06 | xpurple | Dr_O: Yeah :) |
| 12:22.24 | TimeKilla | thanx I think that worked. is there any way to completely close xdm? and how can i run it again afterwards? |
| 12:22.26 | WodanTJ | I'm still trying to find the answer on why MySQL is complaining about a missing charset-file after an upgrade from woody to sarge. Surely i'm not the only one having this problem? |
| 12:22.27 | crylyx | hi, is there an email client similar to sylpheed, but which supports GTK2 ? |
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| 12:22.45 | Dr_O | /etc/init.d/xdm stop ; /etc/init.d/xdm start |
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| 12:22.52 | tarzeau | dpkg ubunto is also http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
| 12:22.52 | dpkg | okay, tarzeau |
| 12:22.54 | TimeKilla | thanx again |
| 12:23.02 | jm_ | crylyx: sylpheed GTK2 port |
| 12:23.25 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: install sysv-rc-config to configure the boot up setting for xdm |
| 12:23.27 | Guerin | dpkg, no, qotd100 is < xpurple> Now I'm getting a message that says "Sending IP address to NSA" |
| 12:23.27 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
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| 12:23.57 | Guerin | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/100/none/ |
| 12:23.57 | dpkg | OK, Guerin |
| 12:23.58 | xpurple | One final question before I go to bed. apt-get upgrade says it's holding back a package imagemagick. Any ideas? |
| 12:24.05 | Guerin | !held back |
| 12:24.05 | dpkg | [kept back] when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade", or the safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get install <kept-package>' and it will resolve stuff for you.. |
| 12:24.13 | WodanTJ | xpurple: remove it, and install it again |
| 12:24.17 | xpurple | ok |
| 12:24.20 | Dr_O | xpurple: try dit-upgrade |
| 12:24.24 | WodanTJ | xpurple: Check for what dependencies it removes, and install them aswell |
| 12:24.25 | Dr_O | xpurple: try dist-upgrade |
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| 12:24.31 | Gil__ | whatever happened to vim-kde ? |
| 12:24.37 | xpurple | Dr_O: I spent most of today doing that :) |
| 12:24.42 | technos | Naw.. Just install the new one, or dist upgrade.. No point in removing it. |
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| 12:24.46 | coachz | like GVim ? |
| 12:24.48 | folial_ | sorry: modifications to 'APT::Default-Release' are immediately working upon 'apt-get install'? or I need to do something? like 'apt-get update'?? |
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| 12:24.56 | Gil__ | coachz: yea, except KVim |
| 12:25.02 | LouCyphre | !dpkg apt-get mmap |
| 12:25.08 | xpurple | Oh, I see why. It removed some deps for that package |
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| 12:25.16 | xpurple | dist-upgrade was rather messy |
| 12:25.21 | shingouz | LouCyphre: dynamic mmap |
| 12:25.22 | coachz | KVim is now unmaintained If you look for an alternative, look at Yzis http://www.freehackers.org/kvim/ |
| 12:25.26 | LouCyphre | oops |
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| 12:25.32 | shingouz | LouCyphre: msg the bot |
| 12:25.34 | LouCyphre | !dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 12:25.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, dynamic mmap is "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get, put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . if you still get the same error, increase the value. if that file doesn't exist, add it, or put it in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ The release notes tell you to use Aptitude, not apt-get, for Sarge upgrades. see <release notes> |
| 12:25.37 | Vonvon | hi |
| 12:25.47 | CyzarX | guys, have a question here. can windows and linux run simulatenously? please advice. ty |
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| 12:26.03 | coachz | CyzarX, if you run vmware |
| 12:26.10 | Guerin | CyzarX: sure, if you have enough computers. |
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| 12:26.18 | TimeKilla | strange... Ok here is what happens. I'm in my gnome, shell out (ctrl-alt-f1) do a /etc/init.d/xdm stop and it says: Stopping x display manager: xfdm not running (/var/run/xdm.pid not found) and i can still go back into gnome with (ctrl-alt-f7). I just started running linux the other day so forgive me here) Any ideas why gnome won't shut down completely with the xdm stop suggestion? |
| 12:26.18 | shingouz | CyzarX: not simultaneously without the help of vmware or something similar |
| 12:26.20 | petemc | qemu works well |
| 12:26.24 | CyzarX | coachz, vmware does help? |
| 12:26.26 | Guerin | vmware doesn't count; it's an emulation hack |
| 12:26.35 | coachz | CyzarX, with vmware you can have a window with either os as a guest or host |
| 12:26.38 | CyzarX | right, i will get vmware, is that freeware? |
| 12:26.44 | petemc | no, but qemu is |
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| 12:26.46 | el_mexicano | hi there |
| 12:26.50 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: do "ps -ef | grep dm" |
| 12:26.51 | Guerin | no; qemu is free software though |
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| 12:27.00 | shingouz | TimeKilla: do you ask that because you want the thing to boot into a CLI? |
| 12:27.01 | CyzarX | ty |
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| 12:27.18 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: you may be running gdm or kdm or another "dm" display manager |
| 12:27.20 | ttick | petemc: how long have you been using qemu? |
| 12:27.26 | petemc | ttick: a while |
| 12:27.31 | Guerin | TimeKilla: are you sure it's xdm you're using? |
| 12:27.35 | el_mexicano | i need to download an file via lynx (wget does not work) automatically, how can i do that |
| 12:27.44 | masoft | is it possible to start windows with qemu ? |
| 12:27.45 | TimeKilla | what does the ps do? |
| 12:27.48 | ttick | petemc: what kind of applications? Dreamweaver, Photoshop? |
| 12:27.51 | greycat | TimeKilla: man ps |
| 12:27.54 | Guerin | !possible |
| 12:27.54 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 12:27.58 | petemc | ttick: solaris, mostly |
| 12:28.03 | CyzarX | coachz, with vmware you can have a window with either os as a guest or hos <== can u elaborate this plz? |
| 12:28.11 | coachz | under XP in qemu it says Some people can launch it. Need more information. |
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| 12:28.18 | coachz | cyzarx, msg me |
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| 12:28.24 | ttick | petemc: oh, so you're not running windows through qemu? |
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| 12:28.30 | petemc | ttick: i do that too |
| 12:28.30 | shingouz | CyzarX: how about googling vmware? |
| 12:28.40 | masoft | Guerin, I think my question was completely bright ! |
| 12:28.43 | CyzarX | shingouz, will do that. just got home from work. it's tiring |
| 12:28.46 | ttick | petemc: okay, and what kind of aps do you run in the windows emu? |
| 12:28.46 | jon_ | i've reinstalled debian in my pc, and now the lilo menu doesnt appear |
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| 12:29.03 | MrNaz | is there a debian version planned to run natively in 64bit on AMD 64bit cpus? SMP opteron servers are really becoming popular while Alpha is dying, support of alpha and not amd64 makes no sense to me... |
| 12:29.08 | petemc | ttick: whatever apps i need for the task im working on |
| 12:29.12 | jon_ | i can change the itnerface, menu bmp or text, but if i dont press alt, i doesnt appear |
| 12:29.13 | ttick | just wondering if qemu is > or < vmware, or a complete replacement. |
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| 12:29.19 | jon_ | any idea? |
| 12:29.21 | directhex|work | MrNaz, i've been running amd64 debian for about 6 months |
| 12:29.23 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: ps lists running processes. If you have run /etc/init.dxdm stop and X is still running then it is unlikely that you were runnung xdm more likely you wer running kdm or gdm... look in /etc/init.d and run gdm stop or kdm stop |
| 12:29.28 | TimeKilla | got it |
| 12:29.30 | TimeKilla | reading manual |
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| 12:29.43 | petemc | ttick: if you use the kernel module, qemu is almost as fast as vmware - if you want usb support - vmware is the tool |
| 12:29.49 | MrNaz | directhex|work is that sarge? |
| 12:29.56 | Guerin | MrNaz: it's supposedly to be added to the official ports in time for etch's release |
| 12:30.01 | directhex|work | MrNaz, yes, with a sprinkle of sid |
| 12:30.03 | ttick | petemc: ah, qemu doesn't grok USB? |
| 12:30.04 | streuner_ | dpkg, seen jethro |
| 12:30.04 | dpkg | jethro <~hunter@213.246.39.160> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 21h 56m 36s ago, saying: 'I ll just /part #debian for a few weeks then'. |
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| 12:30.07 | streuner_ | haha |
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| 12:30.14 | petemc | ttick: not as yet |
| 12:30.14 | greycat | gateway:/home/wooledg# apt-get install -t woody aptitude |
| 12:30.17 | jesper___ | how can i make a shortcut to a command? (so that i just need to type like freenode to run "irssi -c irc.freenoce.net")? |
| 12:30.17 | greycat | Need to get 14.3MB of archives. After unpacking 17.3MB will be used. |
| 12:30.20 | greycat | what the FUCK? |
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| 12:30.26 | swatikiss | what are the options for <dist> in /etc/apt/apt.conf?? When I have: APT::Default-Release "etch"; I start downloading packages from sid ?? |
| 12:30.32 | ttick | petemc: any other limitations you've found? |
| 12:30.33 | MrNaz | aah... ok directhex|work / Guerin would you consider it to be suitable for production deployment? |
| 12:30.40 | streuner_ | greycat: sarge? |
| 12:30.41 | petemc | ttick: not really |
| 12:30.48 | greycat | and one of 'em's libstdc++5. THAT AIN'T WOODY! |
| 12:30.49 | MrNaz | or should i stick to sarge final for now and just use the 32bit ver? |
| 12:30.50 | Guerin | MrNaz: never used it; don't own any hardware from the 3rd millennium |
| 12:30.51 | directhex|work | MrNaz, not currently |
| 12:30.58 | ttick | petemc: cool. I think that's my next project then. :) |
| 12:31.00 | MrNaz | ok cool... thanks guys |
| 12:31.06 | ttick | petemc: thanks |
| 12:31.12 | petemc | ttick: check out freeoszoo |
| 12:31.20 | MrNaz | Guerin for the record, either do i but i'll be setting up a server soon hopefully based on opteron cpus... |
| 12:31.34 | xpurple | You guys rock. Bedtime for me. |
| 12:31.37 | directhex|work | MrNaz, sarge has amd64 kernels, though, and amd64-libs package allows execution of 64 bit binaries |
| 12:31.55 | directhex|work | argh, this packaging thing is annoying me. |
| 12:32.01 | ttick | petemc: thanks! bookmarking now. |
| 12:32.36 | MrNaz | one more question which i'm sure will highlight my newness to #debian... when's etch due out? |
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| 12:32.43 | TimeKilla | ok its showing /usr/bin/x11/xdm and /usr/x11r6/bin/x vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp -auth /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/a:0-hv4b05 and finally grep dm |
| 12:32.55 | streuner_ | MrNaz: now? |
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| 12:33.09 | directhex|work | MrNaz, when it's ready |
| 12:33.10 | MrNaz | aah i just saw on teh web page... no release date is set yet |
| 12:33.13 | greycat | OK, you fucking bastard C++ thing from hell. I'll just *COMMENT* *OUT* all the stable lines, leaving only the "woody" line uncommented, RERUN apt-get update, and THEN you'll let me install aptitude for woody. |
| 12:33.17 | streuner_ | MrNaz: but there aren' any packages out yet ;-) |
| 12:33.18 | greycat | SHEESH. |
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| 12:33.24 | greycat | gateway:/var/lib/apt/lists# apt-get install aptitude |
| 12:33.26 | greycat | Need to get 939kB of archives. After unpacking 3310kB will be used. |
| 12:33.31 | ttick | !etch |
| 12:33.31 | dpkg | [etch] the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
| 12:33.38 | justin` | why do people ask when etch will be released when sarge was JUST RELEASED |
| 12:33.53 | zu22 | haha |
| 12:33.56 | shingouz | justin`: good question |
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| 12:34.08 | zerotonine | does anybody know, how i have to edit the sources.list to get the starge stable? im currently running sarge unstable. |
| 12:34.09 | Dr_O | MrNaz: etch will be in a state called testing for "some time" untill it is ready to be released... how long that will be is anyones guess. I'd go for more than one year less than 5 |
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| 12:34.11 | jon_ | my lilo menu doesnt appear at startup, does anybody why? |
| 12:34.22 | xtension | zerotonine done ! |
| 12:34.23 | jon_ | if I press alt key i appears |
| 12:34.26 | Guerin | greycat: aptitude=woody.version.yknow |
| 12:34.30 | jon_ | it appears, sorry |
| 12:34.31 | Guerin | ? |
| 12:34.33 | Dr_O | jon_: new sarge install? old woody install? |
| 12:34.37 | jon_ | new sarge |
| 12:34.48 | TimeKilla | ok, i can't get gnome to "stop" using /etc/init.d/xdm stop when i do a ps -ef | grep dm i get these running ok its showing /usr/bin/x11/xdm and /usr/x11r6/bin/x vt7 -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp -auth /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/a:0-hv4b05 and finally grep dm |
| 12:34.53 | MrNaz | cool. all my questions have been answered for now. thanks everyone! |
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| 12:34.55 | TimeKilla | any thoughts ... i'm new to linux. |
| 12:34.56 | jon_ | downloaded two weeks ago |
| 12:35.04 | greycat | Guerin: but isn't "apt-get install foo/woody" supposed to give me the woody version of a package when I have a "woody" line in sources.list(5)? |
| 12:35.07 | zerotonine | my sources.list currently is unstable main, how do i have to edit? |
| 12:35.12 | shingouz | zerotonine: sarge was never unstable. check the sources.llist what you really have there. sarge or testing. if sarge you just leava as it is, if testing, chage that to stable and you should be done |
| 12:35.16 | jon_ | i upgrade lilo yesterday, and the same |
| 12:35.27 | Guerin | greycat: yes. |
| 12:35.28 | xtension | TimeKilla man kill |
| 12:35.30 | zerotonine | shingouz: its unstable main |
| 12:35.35 | xtension | TimeKilla kill -9 .... |
| 12:35.37 | Guerin | greycat: -t definitely is |
| 12:35.40 | zerotonine | do i have to put sarge main there? |
| 12:35.42 | jon_ | Dr_O, no idea? |
| 12:35.44 | greycat | Guerin: it failed for me. *shrug* |
| 12:35.52 | shingouz | zerotonine: unstable? you are on sid then. stupid thing to do for a noob |
| 12:35.53 | Guerin | greycat: i just did it with apt-get :) |
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| 12:36.07 | zerotonine | shingouz: what shell i do than? :> sarge main in there? |
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| 12:36.27 | greycat | zerotonine: just run apt-setup |
| 12:36.51 | Dr_O | jon_: look at your lilo.conf and look at the prompt option and its related options delay and timeout |
| 12:36.54 | zerotonine | thx |
| 12:36.57 | shingouz | zerotonine: apt doesnt downgrade. basically the only thing you can do is to reinstall as you have managed to put unstable in the sources.list and when sid goes into devel mode it will be *unstable* |
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| 12:37.24 | greycat | streuner_: me either. |
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| 12:37.31 | jon_ | Dr_O, delay=100, and no timeout appears |
| 12:37.35 | worker | tarzeau: ping |
| 12:37.42 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: Hmm. so the ps output shows that youy are running xdm . Were you running /etc/init.d/xdm stop as root ? |
| 12:37.43 | coachz | how to switch new sarge to KDE from Gnome please |
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| 12:38.01 | TimeKilla | yeah i'm running it as root |
| 12:38.01 | greycat | coachz: apt-get install kde kdm |
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| 12:38.25 | ttick | okay, I'm sure this has been asked about a billion times in the last day, but I've read what I have of scrollback and I don't see it: if my /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01version says "testing" the advent of the Sarge release really has no bearing on me, correct? I'm just gracefully put into etch w/o doing a dist-upgrade? |
| 12:38.26 | jon_ | coachz, if you dont want too many packets you can install kde-core |
| 12:38.35 | coachz | both are installed already |
| 12:38.40 | coachz | but gnome comes up |
| 12:38.47 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: you could try "killall xdm" and if that does not work "killall -9 xdm" to forcibly stop xdm! |
| 12:38.59 | greycat | I'd rather reboot than kill -9 xdm. |
| 12:39.12 | worker | greycat: ? |
| 12:39.15 | shingouz | ttick: just stay as you are. check your sources.list too for testing |
| 12:39.16 | greycat | coachz: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 12:39.22 | greycat | worker: + |
| 12:39.25 | coachz | thanks |
| 12:39.26 | Dr_O | ttick: you are on the ball! |
| 12:39.27 | ttick | shingouz: great, thanks. |
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| 12:39.36 | Guerin | i never used aptitude, but I decided to change, and it's working fine for me since I switched |
| 12:39.40 | worker | greycat: Why reboot? |
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| 12:39.42 | TimeKilla | well killall xdm worked |
| 12:39.42 | TimeKilla | lol |
| 12:40.15 | ttick | Dr_O: excellent. Now, to figure out how to slip off and break my nose. |
| 12:40.20 | crylyx | hi, is there an email client similar to sylpheed, but which supports GTK2 ? |
| 12:40.30 | Dr_O | jon_: any "prompt" option ? |
| 12:40.31 | jm_ | crylyx: I have already told you |
| 12:40.36 | jon_ | Dr_O, prompt option wasnt enabled |
| 12:40.37 | jon_ | :) |
| 12:40.39 | jon_ | thanks |
| 12:40.40 | worker | crylyx: sylpheed-gtk2 ? |
| 12:40.43 | streuner_ | crylyx: sylpheed2 ? *cough* |
| 12:40.49 | crylyx | oh ok thanks |
| 12:41.02 | jon_ | now it works, is strage it is not enabled by default |
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| 12:41.16 | Dr_O | jon_: less secure! |
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| 12:41.32 | jon_ | i supose... |
| 12:41.41 | Dr_O | jon_: maybe ? |
| 12:41.46 | TimeKilla | dr_0: in order to do a /etc/init.d/xdm stop from an alt-ctrl-F1 screen, would i need to be signed in as root on gnome as well? |
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| 12:41.54 | michal__ | are there any packages under debian that can download/dump a stream such as rtsp://a2047.v1412b.c1412.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1412/1_h264_350/1a1a1ae555c531960166df4dbc3095c327960d7be756b71b49aa1576e344addb3ead1a497aaedf11/wwdc_2005_1_h264_350.mov ? |
| 12:41.58 | Dr_O | TimeKilla: NO |
| 12:42.02 | justin` | is there anyway to test the network configuration out inside of the debian installer once I configure it manually? I don't want to go any farther ahead in the install unless it's working.. for some reason the dhcp auto configure fails.. no clue why |
| 12:42.03 | TimeKilla | didn't think so |
| 12:42.09 | jm_ | michal__: try using mplayer |
| 12:42.13 | worker | michal__: That looks like a realplayer. |
| 12:42.22 | michal__ | mplayer can't do it |
| 12:42.24 | worker | michal__: Or maybe VoIP? |
| 12:42.43 | streuner_ | michal__: if you have the right codec installed, what jm_ told you or try vlc |
| 12:42.43 | michal__ | worker: nothing to do with realplayer.. it's quicktime |
| 12:42.43 | crylyx | there doesnt seem to be any sylpheed package for gtk2 in apt... |
| 12:42.43 | Guerin | !sorenson |
| 12:42.43 | dpkg | [sorenson] the worse supported codec in the world... only playable via qtplayer... the most ugliest UI ever made... and slow as hell. Also eats so much CPU!, or under the thumb of Apple, so blame them. |
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| 12:42.49 | shingouz | michal__: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 12:42.52 | Guerin | michal__: if it's one of those, you're fucked |
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| 12:43.00 | michal__ | it's h264 in case that isn't obvious |
| 12:43.06 | Guerin | michal__: otherwise, w32codecs and mplayer, xine or vlc should play it |
| 12:43.16 | michal__ | i don't want to play it |
| 12:43.19 | worker | michal__: rstp is an rst protocol .. I thought it was used by real and/or some VoIP. |
| 12:43.19 | michal__ | just download it |
| 12:43.32 | michal__ | rstp is an open standard afaik |
| 12:43.33 | Guerin | michal__: oh... mplayer can do that |
| 12:43.34 | greycat | back and forth, back and forth, all fucking day. |
| 12:43.43 | jm_ | yes it can do it, but I'll leave you to your own ideas |
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| 12:43.48 | michal__ | guerin: doesn't seem to be able to do it for this stream |
| 12:43.49 | shingouz | @comfort greycat |
| 12:43.49 | ravenbird | There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 12:43.54 | greycat | you'd think apt-get --purge remove libc6-dev would ONLY REMOVE THINGS. But no. |
| 12:44.03 | Guerin | michal__: -dumpstream no worky? |
| 12:44.09 | greycat | If you do that while sources.list points to sarge, it wants to UPDATE things! |
| 12:44.17 | michal__ | no |
| 12:44.20 | michal__ | wwdc_2005_1_h264_350.mov doesn't work |
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| 12:44.37 | michal__ | wtf.. let's try that again |
| 12:45.07 | worker | greycat: Thats a bonus. |
| 12:45.08 | michal__ | "mplayer rtsp://blah -dumpstream -dumpfile wwdc_2005_1_h264_350.mov" doesn't work |
| 12:45.21 | worker | greycat: Pin the packages you don't want to upgrade? |
| 12:45.23 | greycat | Need to get 96.0MB of archives. After unpacking 132MB will be used. |
| 12:45.29 | greycat | NO. That's not ok. |
| 12:45.34 | Dr_O | greycat: I guess you've considered using "dpkg -P" and disconted for somereason? |
| 12:45.35 | worker | greycat: So? You have a small harddisk? |
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| 12:45.49 | greycat | worker: VERY small. 300 MB root file system. |
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| 12:45.55 | worker | greycat: Ouch |
| 12:46.01 | greycat | (no /usr, no /var, nothing but root and /home) |
| 12:46.02 | worker | greycat: You run on a router? |
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| 12:46.24 | greycat | worker: no, not a router. Just undersized hardware. |
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| 12:46.29 | greycat | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 12:46.29 | greycat | /dev/hda1 302556 270909 16025 95% / |
| 12:46.29 | greycat | /dev/hda2 1392964 640488 681716 49% /home |
| 12:46.33 | michal__ | is there anything other than mplayer for dumping rtsp streams to a file? |
| 12:46.40 | worker | greycat: You lack money for a decent computer, or you like it to be small? |
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| 12:46.50 | coywolf | how to input japanese? |
| 12:47.03 | Guerin | greycat: use some of /home :) |
| 12:47.06 | worker | !tell coywolf about english |
| 12:47.07 | greycat | worker: I could probably beg a bigger hard disk from somewhere, but then I'd have to take this server down, copy the data over to the new disk, etc. |
| 12:47.18 | greycat | Guerin: hehehe, tempting :) |
| 12:47.22 | TimeKilla | yee haaa... i learned to install java at 3am... and i can see it working when i wake up at 7am time for another coffee :) |
| 12:47.24 | greycat | Guerin: /home is where the Mail Goes. |
| 12:47.26 | worker | greycat: Production server? |
| 12:47.26 | TimeKilla | you guys are great. |
| 12:47.28 | greycat | Guerin: this is a mail server. |
| 12:47.38 | greycat | worker: yeds |
| 12:47.50 | asg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:48.04 | greycat | kernel-headers-2.2.25 13220 |
| 12:48.07 | shingouz | greycat: do you have more computers there than just the one? probably. nfs the cache onto another box temporarily. it works but is not really the way things should be done |
| 12:48.08 | greycat | there's a great candidate! |
| 12:48.12 | toadi | greycat, only one partition for a server ? |
| 12:48.23 | michal__ | i guess the fact that I'm being ignored means "no" :/ |
| 12:48.31 | greycat | toadi: this hard disk was in the *two iterations ago* version of this server which was a 486 SX. |
| 12:48.48 | Guerin | greycat: oh. |
| 12:48.50 | sh4dowcat | man it's amazing |
| 12:48.51 | toadi | lol had a 486 sx but it retired 2 years ago |
| 12:48.54 | sh4dowcat | no updates |
| 12:49.01 | asg | greycat: did you already take care of /usr/share/doc? |
| 12:49.05 | PeTeRB | sh4dowcat: Is that bad? |
| 12:49.16 | greycat | asg: wouldn't it try to come *back* during the sarge update? |
| 12:49.18 | worker | greycat: Maybe you can beg for a big hd, then tar the stuff up on /home, and untar on the new hd? That shouldn't give you much downtime, only two fast reboots (with a little luck) |
| 12:49.23 | sh4dowcat | PeTeRB: no but I'm just used to my daily round of updates everyday |
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| 12:49.31 | asg | greycat: hmmm, good question. |
| 12:49.39 | xtension | TimeKilla http://pastebin.ca/13651 << |
| 12:49.51 | michal__ | ok.. just found the answer.. apparently there is no software that can dump quicktime .mov rtsp streams to a file.. for any platform |
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| 12:50.12 | asg | michal__: not even mplayer? |
| 12:50.16 | crylyx | can i get sylpheed-gtk2 via apt? |
| 12:50.23 | jharrisonwk | michal__: yeah you sure about mplayer |
| 12:50.24 | jharrisonwk | ? |
| 12:50.25 | wpostma | I can't "apt-get update" on non-us.debian.org. Is it borked due to sarge release? |
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| 12:50.29 | michal__ | asg: nothing.. |
| 12:50.29 | PeTeRB | crylyx: /msg dpkg search |
| 12:50.31 | Guerin | greycat: COLUMNS=120 dpkg -l |awk '/-doc/ {print $2}'|xargs apt-get remove --purge |
| 12:50.31 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:50.33 | greycat | BAH! |
| 12:50.34 | jblack | Is anybody doing a 31r0 torrent download? I don't seem to see any peers. |
| 12:50.34 | Guerin | greycat: :) |
| 12:50.37 | worker | greycat: Another possibility .. download each of the debs to update at a time, and upgrade them .. then run "apt-get upgrade" on hourly basis to keep it updated. |
| 12:50.40 | jharrisonwk | wpostma: maybe they dropped it? |
| 12:50.46 | greycat | why the fuck does xauth need mesa? |
| 12:50.48 | michal__ | jharris: well apparently nothing does.. and mplayer didn't when i tried so that hasn't changed |
| 12:50.52 | Guerin | !rtfrn |
| 12:50.52 | dpkg | hmm... rtfrn is Read the Fucking Release Notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 12:50.58 | crylyx | PeTeRB: i know how to search |
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| 12:51.09 | Aronofsky | hi , can anyone help me with cacti, I don't find how to create a graph about sisk usage ? |
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| 12:51.12 | Aronofsky | disk |
| 12:51.34 | michal__ | jharrisonwk: you're welcome to try.. rtsp://a2047.v1412b.c1412.g.vq.akamaistream.net/5/2047/1412/1_h264_350/1a1a1ae555c531960166df4dbc3095c327960d7be756b71b49aa1576e344addb3ead1a497aaedf11/wwdc_2005_1_h264_350.mov |
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| 12:51.38 | PeTeRB | crylyx: Well, then search for it :) |
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| 12:51.45 | worker | !rtfrn =~ s/Fucking/"Fine"/ |
| 12:51.45 | dpkg | worker: OK |
| 12:51.46 | asg | Aronofsky: cacti is complex, try using munin or rrdtool itself. You'll have yourself lots of aggravation. |
| 12:52.14 | shingouz | worker: dont be so pc |
| 12:52.14 | greycat | Why doesn' |
| 12:52.15 | stouset | Freaking hell. When is Sarge going to release? Yet *another* missed release date. *sigh* |
| 12:52.24 | greycat | Why doesn't aptitude --purge remove foobar work? |
| 12:52.29 | asg | s/have/save/ |
| 12:52.29 | crylyx | i wouldnt be here if i didnt have searched already |
| 12:52.30 | jharrisonwk | michal__: cant right now as im playing with sarge on sparc |
| 12:52.30 | worker | shingouz: Well .. I guess people can think. |
| 12:52.34 | Guerin | stouset: hah |
| 12:52.36 | greycat | It must be the lack of Super Cow Powers. |
| 12:52.38 | stouset | :-) |
| 12:52.55 | directhex|work | stouset, the sarge that got released yesterday? |
| 12:52.56 | Dr_O | !tell stouset about topic |
| 12:52.57 | worker | stouset: I'd say before christmas, with a little luck .. but then again .. summertime is comming up. |
| 12:53.00 | stouset | directhex|work: Yes, that one. |
| 12:53.05 | shingouz | worker: i still dont see why it has to be so pc with rounded edges and pink fluff on top |
| 12:53.06 | Aronofsky | asg, that's ok, i want to use cacti , juste don't understant how to use disk space graph template |
| 12:53.11 | stouset | directhex|work: I demand that it be released today! |
| 12:53.24 | jm_ | Aronofsky: install munin |
| 12:53.30 | worker | shingouz: I don't see why it has to be so rude and primitive. :-) |
| 12:53.40 | asg | Aronofsky: okay. |
| 12:53.49 | shingouz | worker: because this is linux, not kindergarten |
| 12:54.07 | worker | shingouz: Is swearing required for GNU/Linux users? |
| 12:54.15 | petemc | fuck no |
| 12:54.19 | worker | shingouz: or merely recommended? |
| 12:54.20 | shingouz | worker: no but it sure helps |
| 12:54.26 | Aronofsky | jm_, i can't, i have to use cacti ( that's not my choice ) |
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| 12:54.49 | jm_ | Aronofsky: then at least check how munin does it with its own df plugin |
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| 12:54.50 | asg | worker: the Slackware '96 install notes suggested black magic and drugs as recommended installation aids |
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| 12:55.17 | worker | asg: I don't think that was new in the 96 install notes :-P |
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| 12:55.40 | sh4dowcat | hmm anybody here dual booting debian stable/testing? |
| 12:55.53 | worker | shingouz: :-) |
| 12:55.58 | Aronofsky | jm_, my pb is specific to cacti, in my graph template i have 'Unix - Available Disk Space' but in new graph section i can't select that template, i don't understand why |
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| 12:55.59 | _joey | sh4dowcat chroot perhaps ? |
| 12:56.00 | greycat | sh4dowcat: stable meaning woody or stable meaning sarge? |
| 12:56.04 | shingouz | worker: for rounded edges and pink fluff you need to go use the MS win teletubbies edition (=XP) |
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| 12:56.12 | asg | worker: perhaps not, though the techniques helped. |
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| 12:56.14 | worker | kekec: Eat crap and stop living. |
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| 12:56.23 | worker | kekec: Or don't irc as root. |
| 12:56.25 | vchrizz | hiho |
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| 12:56.26 | sh4dowcat | greycat: basically I'm thinking of setting up a dual boot of sarge and etch |
| 12:56.30 | shingouz | worker: isnt that crude and primitive? :p |
| 12:56.36 | Aronofsky | greycat, still woody, but not for long time |
| 12:56.36 | worker | shingouz: I |
| 12:56.48 | vchrizz | # netstat -anp | grep 1723 ; ps aux | grep vpn |
| 12:56.48 | vchrizz | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:1723 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - |
| 12:56.48 | vchrizz | root 6478 0.0 0.0 1552 492 pts/29 S+ 14:51 0:00 grep vpn |
| 12:56.51 | sh4dowcat | so I'm just wondering if the two installs can share the same /boot partition |
| 12:56.52 | worker | shingouz: I'm learning slowly. |
| 12:57.01 | _joey | zzee best distros are: debian, suse, red hat in that order |
| 12:57.01 | vchrizz | i dont know which process is listening |
| 12:57.03 | greycat | vchrizz: lsof -i :1723 |
| 12:57.05 | vchrizz | could someone help me? |
| 12:57.11 | vchrizz | ah, thx green_earz |
| 12:57.17 | vchrizz | greycat ;) |
| 12:57.19 | shingouz | worker: hehehe... there goes your argument about the "fine" in the factoid :p |
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| 12:57.27 | worker | shingouz: :o) |
| 12:57.29 | daesotho | the best distros are debian, ubuntu and knoppix in that order |
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| 12:57.42 | _joey | nooo |
| 12:57.49 | worker | shingouz: Btw. If I had wanted to be uptight and pc, I wouldn't have quoted it. ;-) |
| 12:57.51 | _joey | hybrid distros are the suck |
| 12:57.56 | bender-RW- | is there a good way to tell mkinitrd to not include a specific module? |
| 12:57.58 | PeTeRB | daesotho: It's Debian, Debian and Debian ;) |
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| 12:58.07 | shingouz | _joey, daesotho: stop it already, this is not #distrowars, ok? |
| 12:58.11 | theorbtw1 | Ah, I see it's slowed down to sane levels in here. |
| 12:58.16 | daesotho | hehe |
| 12:58.19 | _joey | by the way, I heard Apple Mac are moving their cpu's to x86 |
| 12:58.28 | shingouz | worker: hehehe |
| 12:58.31 | _joey | :) |
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| 12:58.41 | daesotho | _joey: no way!! |
| 12:58.48 | _joey | One day we shall order all mac users to install linux on their boxes |
| 12:58.56 | _joey | daesotho want to read the url link ? |
| 12:59.04 | worker | _joey: And all GNU/Linux users to go OSX. |
| 12:59.08 | greycat | joeyh: debian runs on ppc already. |
| 12:59.09 | cafuego | _joey: Will that ebfore or after you patch their kernel and alsa? |
| 12:59.13 | greycat | bah. |
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| 12:59.13 | lrojas | hello |
| 12:59.16 | daesotho | i saw it on /. yesterday |
| 12:59.19 | greycat | !leading punctuation |
| 12:59.20 | dpkg | if your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion |
| 12:59.37 | PeTeRB | Heh |
| 12:59.37 | daesotho | hehe |
| 12:59.42 | cafuego | _joey: Incidentally, Darwin x86 has been available for FREE download for _years_ |
| 12:59.42 | _joey | daesotho: http://www.betanews.com/article/Newscom_Says_Apple_Switching_to_Intel/1117894429 |
| 12:59.44 | lrojas | Mac user here |
| 13:00.00 | michal__ | seems that only realmedia and wmv streams can be captured but not quicktime streams.. I wonder why :/ |
| 13:00.00 | daesotho | macos is proprietary |
| 13:00.02 | _joey | cafuego that's GNU, and it was full of issues |
| 13:00.16 | lrojas | and yes, they are moving the platform to intel, is gonna still be a mac tho.. only the core processor is changed |
| 13:00.18 | _joey | i even had account on a nice gnu darwin box |
| 13:00.19 | zu22 | cafuego: Hello :) |
| 13:00.21 | worker | dpkg: Your language sure aint from the bible belt, huh? |
| 13:00.21 | theorbtwo | BTW: After seeing the "about this macintosh", I'm 99.9% certian that it's going to be a 32-bit Intel. |
| 13:00.25 | cafuego | _joey: I think you'll find darwin is the osx kernel. |
| 13:00.31 | daesotho | that, and i'm too cheap for one, is why i use debian on a $130 pc |
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| 13:00.38 | shingouz | !say screw you worker |
| 13:00.38 | theorbtwo | lrojas: Art thou sure? |
| 13:00.39 | dpkg | screw you worker |
| 13:00.39 | _joey | anyway :) |
| 13:00.40 | zu22 | cafuego: i lost my bookmark for your site, can you tell me it again please |
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| 13:00.51 | cafuego | zu22: www.cafuego.net |
| 13:00.52 | _joey | all mac users shall install linux on their boxes :) |
| 13:00.57 | shingouz | worker: ;) |
| 13:00.59 | mouflon | where can I find out which packages are on each of the sarge isos? |
| 13:01.00 | _joey | debian |
| 13:01.01 | zu22 | cafuego: D---O---H :) |
| 13:01.09 | cafuego | _joey: The Quadras can't boot linux off CD. |
| 13:01.11 | theorbtwo | It'd be a huge risk for them to go to being installable on commody PC boxes. |
| 13:01.13 | zu22 | cafuego: Don't make things so simple ;-) |
| 13:01.24 | theorbtwo | OTOH, it'd also have a huge potential upside. |
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| 13:01.30 | cafuego | !fgi zu22 cafuego |
| 13:01.31 | dpkg | zu22: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=cafuego |
| 13:01.48 | daesotho | .cry Jesus baby makes little-endianness |
| 13:02.02 | zu22 | cafuego: Ruh Roh |
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| 13:02.41 | TimeKilla | what is the command to reboot my system? |
| 13:02.48 | TimeKilla | is it halt -restart |
| 13:02.49 | asg | TimeKilla: /sbin/reboot |
| 13:02.53 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 13:02.59 | shingouz | TimeKilla: man shutdown |
| 13:03.00 | daesotho | init 6 |
| 13:03.06 | toadi | shutdown -r now |
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| 13:03.16 | cafuego | the first handful of google hits are all me |
| 13:03.23 | Selecter | Q: How to downgrade debian from unstable to stable? |
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| 13:03.42 | shingouz | Selecter: A: basically you dont |
| 13:03.47 | zu22 | Cool. |
| 13:04.10 | cafuego | s/handful/handful of pages/ |
| 13:04.17 | TimeKilla | jeez, why is java such a bloody resource hog |
| 13:05.00 | daesotho | all proprietary sofiware is a bloody resource hog |
| 13:05.11 | greycat | daesotho: Opera |
| 13:05.13 | cafuego | daesotho: liar |
| 13:05.16 | coywolf | how to input japanese? |
| 13:05.18 | cafuego | daesotho: BeOS |
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| 13:05.30 | cafuego | coywolf: Slowly rub the sushi onto the keyboard |
| 13:05.36 | daesotho | ok... |
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| 13:05.59 | coywolf | cafuego, what's sushi |
| 13:06.01 | mouflon | is there a list somehwere of the packages on the sarge cds? |
| 13:06.21 | _joey | mouflon apt-cache search . | less |
| 13:06.21 | shingouz | coywolf: raw fish |
| 13:06.23 | theorbtwo | coywolf: Raw fish. Popular in Japan. |
| 13:06.29 | shingouz | besides very good |
| 13:06.33 | cafuego | shingouz: That's sashimi |
| 13:06.34 | theorbtwo | !wikipedia Sushi |
| 13:06.34 | jm_ | mouflon: packages.debian.org |
| 13:06.41 | Dr_O | mouflon: do you mean which packages are on which cd ? |
| 13:06.43 | theorbtwo | Hm, no !wikipedia? |
| 13:06.47 | jblack | hThe jigdo unpacked file would list it |
| 13:06.50 | mouflon | Dr_O: bingo |
| 13:06.51 | daesotho | all the third party proprietary software that i've tried to run on my parents mac have been bloody resource hogs |
| 13:06.52 | zu22 | sushi is raw fish w/ rice |
| 13:06.54 | theorbtwo | Input japanese into what? |
| 13:07.13 | jm_ | coywolf_gone: install some package that's providing input method, just like for chinese |
| 13:07.18 | greycat | Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 13:07.18 | shingouz | cafuego: i shall go away for a while before i misinform more people ;) |
| 13:07.19 | greycat | /dev/hda1 -316889293853 1 0 85% / |
| 13:07.19 | greycat | /dev/hda2 -364738575936 1 0 49% /home |
| 13:07.22 | daesotho | use like gnome or something |
| 13:07.22 | greycat | YAY updated libc! |
| 13:07.28 | cafuego | daesotho: Of all, only BBEdit is worth it. |
| 13:07.41 | daesotho | yea |
| 13:07.42 | theorbtwo | You have negitive space available? That takes some skill... |
| 13:07.45 | PeTeRB | greycat: Had that once :P |
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| 13:07.52 | greycat | theorbtwo: or it takes "aptitude install libc6" |
| 13:07.53 | coywolf | jm_, danke |
| 13:07.58 | cafuego | greycat: Wgy do you have -INT_MAX_64 bytes free? ;-) |
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| 13:08.18 | jm_ | coywolf: I use kinput2-canna those 2 times a year when I need it |
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| 13:08.54 | mouflon | jm_, _joey: what I want is a per CD listing of packages |
| 13:08.55 | theorbtwo | Oh, is unstable starting to diverge? |
| 13:09.05 | ezjarro | Hola |
| 13:09.07 | daesotho | i can't believe aim on macos uses 10% of the processor |
| 13:09.14 | daesotho | like no matter what |
| 13:09.15 | jm_ | mouflon: ahh that - greycat was kind enough to provide that for Woody |
| 13:09.17 | ezjarro | speak spanish? |
| 13:09.18 | greycat | mouflon: buy a CD set, mount each one, ls -lR it, and put it on a web site. |
| 13:09.21 | daesotho | its stupid |
| 13:09.24 | greycat | mouflon: that's what *I* did with woody. |
| 13:09.26 | shingouz | !es |
| 13:09.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:09.35 | _joey | mouflon have you got the cds ? |
| 13:09.35 | daesotho | plus aim is adware |
| 13:09.38 | cafuego | daesotho: What with the iChat Av processing, sure... |
| 13:09.44 | daesotho | yea.... |
| 13:09.44 | wpostma | I only know about sisk usage, sorry, can't help with disk usage. |
| 13:09.46 | ezjarro | thank you! |
| 13:09.50 | ezjarro | bye |
| 13:09.51 | cafuego | daesotho: Did you download and install aim? |
| 13:09.56 | daesotho | yea |
| 13:09.57 | mouflon | _joey: no |
| 13:10.02 | daesotho | 10.2 |
| 13:10.02 | _joey | hmm |
| 13:10.03 | cafuego | daesotho: Uh, iChat == AIM |
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| 13:10.13 | daesotho | no, aim from aol |
| 13:10.19 | coywolf | jm_, how to input katakana? |
| 13:10.28 | cafuego | daesotho: Yes, iChat speaks the AIM protocol, to other AIM users. |
| 13:10.32 | coywolf | jm_, kinput2 inputs hiragana |
| 13:10.34 | _joey | don't know then, I installed debian once only and never ever needed cds to install new packages or upgrade the distro |
| 13:10.42 | daesotho | i mean the client program |
| 13:10.46 | theorbtwo | iChat is an AIM client, but it is not the AIM client. Terminology can be confusing sometimes. |
| 13:10.50 | greycat | /dev/hda1 302556 246065 40869 86% / |
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| 13:10.54 | greycat | new coreutils fixed that.... |
| 13:10.58 | cafuego | daesotho: Yes, why would you download that when you already have one? |
| 13:11.03 | theorbtwo | winaim is the prefered name for the purticular client that AOL puts out for win32. |
| 13:11.06 | mouflon | so there is no such list then? |
| 13:11.12 | daesotho | because i downloaded it before ichat |
| 13:11.14 | Dr_O | mouflon: have you looked at the jigdo images... get the jigdo files (only small) and do "zgrep deb *jigdo" |
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| 13:11.25 | cafuego | daesotho: iChat was already installed |
| 13:11.25 | daesotho | back in the 10.1 days |
| 13:11.32 | cafuego | Ah, I see. |
| 13:11.35 | mouflon | Dr_O: I'll try that |
| 13:11.48 | daesotho | hehe i got a new mac with 10.0 and 9.1 |
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| 13:11.53 | cafuego | There's a Jabberish one my wife has now that does pretty much all of them, based on libgaim. |
| 13:11.53 | _joey | could someone recommend a good motherboard with 776 socket and 5 pci slots. Don't care for integrated devices |
| 13:12.00 | _joey | 775* |
| 13:12.13 | daesotho | the first thing i did was use 10.0, and the second thing i did was switch to 10.1 |
| 13:12.15 | cafuego | _joey: Why bother buying a good mobo for a shit cpu? |
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| 13:12.16 | fas3r | hi all |
| 13:12.23 | _joey | cafuego :) |
| 13:12.30 | jm_ | coywolf: the package I mentioned supports this by connecting to conversion servers |
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| 13:12.43 | justin` | has anyone else seen the problem of during debian-installer not being able to access dhcp using a router that is obviously running a dhcpd? |
| 13:12.45 | Aronofsky | anyone can help me with cacti, i don't understand, in new graph i dont have access in the list to all the graph templates, why ? |
| 13:12.52 | _joey | cafuego because |
| 13:12.59 | daesotho | this was back when macs still used ppcs |
| 13:13.04 | cafuego | daesotho: Yeah, the G3/350 here didn't like OSX at all. |
| 13:13.08 | _joey | I heard good things about intel pentium and I always used it |
| 13:13.24 | Anthro | Can someone point me to documentation of the .forward file format? |
| 13:13.30 | TimeKilla | hey guys, when i try to shutdown by typing shutdown -r it just gives me the usage I just want to reboot.... |
| 13:13.31 | cafuego | _joey: So when people say Windows is good you'll use windows? ;-) |
| 13:13.43 | jm_ | Anthro: MTA docs |
| 13:13.51 | _joey | cafuego I do use ms windows to run some programs |
| 13:13.53 | greycat | TimeKilla: "shutdown -r now" |
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| 13:13.57 | TimeKilla | thanx |
| 13:13.59 | cafuego | Anthro: add echo "user@host, user@otherhost, |\user" > .forward |
| 13:14.02 | daesotho | my buddy put a 800MHz G4 with 2MB L3 in a 7300 |
| 13:14.02 | shingouz | TimeKilla: man shutdown :) "shutdown -r now" |
| 13:14.09 | Anthro | jm_: Using exim4, no obvious man page |
| 13:14.19 | jharrisonwk | anyone know anything about problems mounting the cd on sparc systems? |
| 13:14.19 | Dr_O | mouflon: this kinda works: zegrep "\.deb"$ debian-31r0-i386-binary-1.jigdo | sed -e's%.*/%' |
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| 13:14.23 | cafuego | Anthro: basically, a comma separated list of addresses. |
| 13:14.24 | daesotho | and ran 10.2 on it |
| 13:14.25 | _joey | Photoshop elements is one of the programs I use on ms windows |
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| 13:14.42 | daesotho | and ran warcraft iii on it |
| 13:14.46 | jm_ | Anthro: yeah, it's somewhere in exim docs |
| 13:14.46 | cafuego | daesotho: That'd be acceptable... if you have enough ram. |
| 13:14.50 | daesotho | yea |
| 13:14.58 | _joey | cafuego what's your favourite cpu ? |
| 13:15.00 | cafuego | Tiger isn't particularly happy with 512MB |
| 13:15.06 | TimeKilla | i've got a 148 mb swap partition that it made by default during setup.. is it too small possibly since my system only has 64 mb of ram? |
| 13:15.10 | daesotho | 256MB of those old mac memory sticks |
| 13:15.11 | cafuego | _joey: Currently the AMD64 |
| 13:15.17 | _joey | which one ? |
| 13:15.19 | daesotho | what was it, 17ns? |
| 13:15.24 | cafuego | _joey: Any? |
| 13:15.32 | greycat | TimeKilla: depends on what you want to run |
| 13:15.39 | cafuego | _joey: Mine'a a 2800+ but by now faster ones will be cheaper. |
| 13:15.47 | _joey | cafuego is debian well supported for AMD64 ? |
| 13:15.53 | TimeKilla | Well running a java applet has made my hdd grind heavily for a very long time.. |
| 13:15.55 | greycat | _joey: ask #debian-amd64 |
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| 13:16.09 | daesotho | oh yeah, an ide pci card to saturate the pci bus |
| 13:16.11 | greycat | _joey: and /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 13:16.12 | cafuego | _joey: amd64 runs x86 (32bit) code just fine (and faster then a p4) |
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| 13:16.24 | Bklyn | woah, non-us is in main now? |
| 13:16.24 | daesotho | and a video card to also saturate the pci bus |
| 13:16.25 | bender-RW- | Anthro: http://exim.work.de/exim-html-4.50/doc/html/spec_22.html#CHAP22 |
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| 13:16.31 | jharrisonwk | nevermind I have spotted a work around |
| 13:16.41 | cafuego | _joey: And yes, as of the current testing (Etch) debian supports amd64 in 64bit mode :-) |
| 13:16.42 | jm_ | TimeKilla: that's why your disk is trashing - it uses a lot of swap |
| 13:16.46 | Bklyn | so I should remove the non-us.d.o URL from my sources.list? |
| 13:16.52 | mouflon | Dr_O: yeah, thanks |
| 13:17.06 | cafuego | _joey: mozilla with java and watching AVIs won't work in 32bit mode, though. |
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| 13:17.27 | streuner_ | Bklyn: it wouldnt hurd (TM) |
| 13:17.42 | daesotho | why'd nonus get folded into main? if i lived in the us, wouldn't i be downloading illegal things if i used main? |
| 13:17.43 | Bklyn | streuner_: sounds like a plan 9 (TM) |
| 13:17.52 | greycat | daesotho: downloading has NEVER been the issue. |
| 13:17.55 | streuner_ | Bklyn: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 13:18.13 | TimeKilla | i would like to install a program to use for emulation of MSN messenger communications. I hear gaim is one of those programs, can I just login as root and do an apt-get install gaim ? |
| 13:18.16 | Bklyn | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 13:18.27 | streuner_ | Bklyn: just do it |
| 13:18.35 | daesotho | ooh |
| 13:18.41 | Bklyn | and you forgot the (TM) (R) Nike :) |
| 13:18.44 | _joey | cafuego which motherboard will you recommend for amd64 ? |
| 13:18.47 | Bklyn | thanks |
| 13:18.54 | daesotho | so the us lusers need to make sure they don't run illegal software themselves |
| 13:18.58 | daesotho | alright |
| 13:19.04 | greycat | !+non-us |
| 13:19.04 | dpkg | well, non-us is where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 13:19.05 | cafuego | _joey: ANy nforce3 or nforce4 based one. I prefer Gigabyte. |
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| 13:19.09 | Bklyn | running software is not a crime |
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| 13:19.15 | Bklyn | idiotic export restrictions should be! |
| 13:19.16 | greycat | Bklyn: yet. |
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| 13:19.46 | _joey | :)) |
| 13:20.00 | theorbtwo | Bklyn: Running some software is a crime, sadly. |
| 13:20.08 | theorbtwo | Even having some software is a crime. |
| 13:20.12 | greycat | Bklyn: correction: it *might* be a crime in the US. DMCA, y'know. Selling it sure is. |
| 13:20.19 | Bklyn | yeah I know this |
| 13:20.22 | IRCMunky | cryptography is forbidden in some countries. France is one IIRC |
| 13:20.31 | greycat | IRCMunky: I thought that was overturned |
| 13:20.31 | theorbtwo | But that software wasn't in non-US, or in main, and still isn't. |
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| 13:20.38 | justin` | I'm self governed |
| 13:20.54 | |dennis| | Question: The DVD ISO>>i downloaded it but its size is only 350+mb but wget reports to have downloaded 100%. Are the dvd isos already in place?? |
| 13:20.59 | IRCMunky | greycat, might well have been since I last heard. It was a while ago now... |
| 13:21.21 | Bklyn | is there some explanation of what/why the non-us -> main change happened? |
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| 13:21.38 | greycat | Bklyn: because there were only a dozen left |
| 13:21.53 | greycat | Bklyn: all the *real* original non-US stuff like ssh went into main long ago. |
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| 13:22.39 | |dennis| | Question: The Sarge DVD ISO>>I downloaded it but its size is only 350+mb but wget reports to have downloaded 100%. Are the correct dvd isos already in place?? |
| 13:22.56 | PeTeRB | !tell |dennis| about repeat |
| 13:22.58 | coachz | |dennis|, that doesn't sound right |
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| 13:23.29 | greycat | who the fuck would wget a DVD ISO image instead of torrenting it? |
| 13:23.30 | coachz | try here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 13:23.34 | gnubie | |dennis|, dvd 1 was 4gb+ for me |
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| 13:23.53 | _joey | cafuego what is the size of l2 cache for these amd64 chips ? |
| 13:24.01 | Bklyn | greycat: indeed |
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| 13:24.07 | _joey | can you get 1mb or 2mb ? |
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| 13:24.20 | justin` | has anyone else seen the problem of during debian-installer not being able to access dhcp using a router that is obviously running a dhcpd? |
| 13:24.26 | justin` | very annoying |
| 13:24.27 | Derevko | Hello, I change in apt.conf APT::Default-Release "testing"; to APT::Default-Release "stable"; but now apt fetch unstable packets..., why? |
| 13:24.27 | |dennis| | weird....i dowlaoded them and wgte reports to have d/loaded 100% with only a 350mb file..weird...oh well..download again...thanks... |
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| 13:24.50 | giupy-bisi | Derevko, try "sarge" |
| 13:24.50 | directhex|work | justin`, boot the installer with "linux26 noacpi noapic nolapic" at the boot: prompt |
| 13:24.52 | karnak | debian |
| 13:24.54 | Bklyn | |dennis|: use BT and it'll pick up where wget left off |
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| 13:25.11 | justin` | directhex|work: thanks! |
| 13:25.12 | sep | justin`: what kind of router ? we'v had many issues with some windows pc's not getting ip, while other do get ip on the same router. dlinks and linksys |
| 13:25.13 | |dennis| | koii dokieee...thanks...Bklyn... |
| 13:25.16 | gnubie | |dennis|, did you use wget? |
| 13:25.32 | |dennis| | gnubie: yes, i used wget -cb |
| 13:25.34 | Bklyn | gnubie: thats what he said |
| 13:25.35 | justin` | sep: i have tried linksys and dlinks.. I think 2.6 will do the trick though |
| 13:26.06 | mrbuckets | I'm so late. I just now read the slashdot article on sarge being released |
| 13:26.31 | greycat | mrbuckets: no problem. |
| 13:26.43 | yxa | has sarge gone stable? |
| 13:26.46 | directhex|work | justin`, i've seen the error before with some moterboard/bios combinations. |
| 13:26.47 | greycat | yxa: /topic |
| 13:27.00 | mrbuckets | greycat: I mean it's not that big of a deal, since I have been using it for a while now. But just nice to hear it's official |
| 13:27.05 | cbr | is there something wrong with the unstable dir in non-US? |
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| 13:27.13 | greycat | cbr: /msg dpkg non-us |
| 13:27.18 | cbr | synaptic gives an error that it doesnt exist |
| 13:27.20 | cbr | it worked before |
| 13:27.29 | Bklyn | cbr: /topic; it no longer exists |
| 13:27.30 | justin` | directhex|work: it's dumb :) |
| 13:27.36 | PeTeRB | !topicbadger cbr |
| 13:27.37 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that cbr didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 13:27.55 | Bklyn | that will probably be an FAQ today |
| 13:27.56 | cbr | so there is no non-US any more? |
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| 13:28.11 | Bklyn | cbr: correct |
| 13:28.15 | cbr | oh ok |
| 13:28.16 | Bklyn | those packages are in main now |
| 13:28.18 | cbr | thanks |
| 13:28.51 | tarzeau | !UBUNTO |
| 13:28.52 | dpkg | i heard ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg, or http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
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| 13:29.23 | justin` | directhex|work: wow |
| 13:29.32 | justin` | directhex|work: network autoconfig worked great using 2.6 |
| 13:29.40 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Hah :D |
| 13:30.05 | tsw | How do I set path so that I can have multiple paths PATH=/sbin/,/usr/sbin wont work? |
| 13:30.11 | tarzeau | heh here's a little history of debian releases: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 13:30.15 | greycat | tsw: echo $PATH |
| 13:30.33 | greycat | (preferably after you re-login to unbreak what you just broke) |
| 13:30.34 | tarzeau | but Default Desktop GNOME is just WRONG |
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| 13:31.02 | tsw | greycat: it shows what I told it, but wont search on all of those |
| 13:31.09 | Eclipser | yjrtr |
| 13:31.10 | greycat | dpkg, ubunto =~ s/jpg,/jpg/ |
| 13:31.10 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
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| 13:31.12 | Eclipser | erm |
| 13:31.16 | Eclipser | major typo |
| 13:31.17 | directhex|work | tarzeau, what's default when you install the desktop environemnt setting in tasksel? |
| 13:31.19 | masoft | how could I make a DEV debian package ? for example wxGTK ? |
| 13:31.25 | greycat | tsw: echo $PATH AND FUCKING LOOK CLOSELY AT IT! |
| 13:31.27 | Eclipser | there's no default desktop on debian?-p |
| 13:31.29 | directhex|work | masoft, why make one? |
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| 13:31.34 | tarzeau | directhex|work: GNOME and KDE :) |
| 13:31.35 | mwelsh | is http://security.debian.org down? |
| 13:31.36 | greycat | tsw: Do you see a comma? NO, THERE IS NO COMMA! IT IS A COLON!! |
| 13:31.37 | lame | hi, everyone. |
| 13:31.38 | Bklyn | masoft: already been done for that package I suspect |
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| 13:31.42 | tarzeau | directhex|work: LOLZ, if you have ENOUGH DISK SPACE |
| 13:31.50 | masoft | directhex|work, there isn't wxGTK 2.6 in debian |
| 13:31.52 | Derevko | giupy-bisi: Also with "sarge" apt fetches unstable packages.. |
| 13:31.52 | greycat | my god. |
| 13:31.52 | giupy | are there mp3 players like xmms that support soft volume control like mplayer ? |
| 13:31.53 | directhex|work | tarzeau, which is *default* in the *dm it uses |
| 13:32.05 | tarzeau | directhex|work: i couln't find out. no space left on device |
| 13:32.08 | tsw | greycat: ok |
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| 13:32.16 | masoft | Bklyn, where is that ? the lastest is 2.5, 2.6 not available |
| 13:32.19 | tarzeau | Eclipser: NO THER IS NOT |
| 13:32.23 | giupy | Derevko, are you sure you use official mirrors ? |
| 13:32.29 | Bklyn | masoft: well, try applying the debian diffs for 2.5 against 2.6 then |
| 13:32.30 | tarzeau | Debian has not default desktop! |
| 13:32.34 | Bklyn | update the changelog and make yourself a new deb |
| 13:32.39 | Derevko | giupy: yes |
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| 13:32.42 | lame | does anyone know c++ (g++) somewhat deeper ? |
| 13:32.48 | yxa | so if i had been using sarge, now that's left for me to do is to change apt sources to stable, update and upgrade? |
| 13:32.56 | tarzeau | lame: nobody can read mind here |
| 13:32.56 | greycat | lame: #C++ |
| 13:32.59 | Bklyn | lame: /j #c++ |
| 13:33.02 | Eclipser | tarzeau, no need to yell |
| 13:33.06 | giupy | Derevko, dunno, can't be possible i think :) |
| 13:33.07 | greycat | lame: ##C++ |
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| 13:33.14 | greycat | FUCKING LILO AND HIS FUCKING DOUBLE OCTOTHORPES! |
| 13:33.16 | lame | okok, thanks! |
| 13:33.17 | greycat | What an idiot. |
| 13:33.17 | lame | bye! |
| 13:33.28 | IDC | haha |
| 13:33.31 | tarzeau | heh |
| 13:33.32 | mrbuckets | greycat: lilo? |
| 13:33.34 | directhex|work | !comfort greycat |
| 13:33.35 | dpkg | There, there, greycat. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 13:33.35 | greycat | mrbuckets: yes. |
| 13:33.38 | directhex|work | how about ##c## ? |
| 13:33.39 | tarzeau | mrbuckets: sucks! |
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| 13:33.49 | LordWolF | fast question |
| 13:33.49 | lame | exit |
| 13:33.52 | mrbuckets | grub = prefered boot loader? |
| 13:33.57 | tarzeau | can someone kick lame? |
| 13:33.58 | greycat | mrbuckets: I meant the person. |
| 13:34.00 | LordWolF | if my debian box reboots out of nothing |
| 13:34.03 | mrbuckets | gotcha |
| 13:34.03 | LordWolF | what can cause that? |
| 13:34.05 | greycat | tarzeau: not any more |
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| 13:34.48 | LordWolF | ?\ |
| 13:34.53 | snail | one of the packages I use didn't make it into the sarge release. it is "up for adoption" and a request for it to make it into sarge is marked "wontfix". i'm not a debian developer, but is a document on how i can work to get the package into sarge? |
| 13:34.57 | giupy | Derevko, retry using apt-setup |
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| 13:35.14 | directhex|work | snail, sarge has been released. nothing is going into it now. |
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| 13:35.49 | greycat | snail: you're about 2 months too late |
| 13:35.54 | LordWolF | any help please why my Debian Box reboot out of nothing? |
| 13:36.01 | greycat | LordWolF: probably hardware |
| 13:36.12 | LordWolF | ohh ok |
| 13:36.17 | JHON | HOLA SOY D'J JHON'S Y BUSCO UNA LINDA CHULITA |
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| 13:36.25 | Shorty` | ideas on how to slow down established traffic connections? |
| 13:36.25 | leoman | chanel |
| 13:36.26 | LordWolF | Jhon |
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| 13:36.33 | LordWolF | este canal |
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| 13:36.36 | LordWolF | no hay chicas |
| 13:36.37 | snail | directhex|work / greycat: so how do I work to get the package into future debian releases? |
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| 13:36.42 | LordWolF | lol |
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| 13:36.48 | xtension | whats is a good server provider for modest prizes running debian ? |
| 13:36.51 | Ondra42 | Upgrade(woodu->sarge) System use kernel2.6 with procps(from backports.org) . procps(from sarge) have same version as procps(from backports). How tu upgrade? |
| 13:36.52 | LordWolF | that was one crazy dude |
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| 13:37.34 | asg | xtension: modest prizes? |
| 13:37.36 | greycat | Ondra42: if it has the same version you don't need to update it... |
| 13:37.49 | greycat | Ondra42: you could always do an "apt-get --reinstall install procps" if it makes you feel better |
| 13:37.57 | xtension | someone who KNOWS what they are doing at least and modest ? i dont have a clue about prizes but lets says 100 euris pm or so ? |
| 13:38.16 | asg | xtension: oh, cheap hosting. Try dreamhost.com |
| 13:38.17 | Ondra42 | greycat: procps from backport si compiled in diff libc6(2.2.4 -> 3.3) |
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| 13:38.49 | greycat | Ondra42: you are confused. there is no libc6 3.3. |
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| 13:38.54 | PeTeRB | xtension: FYI, it's prices. |
| 13:38.54 | xtension | asg 100 pm thats cheap ? so whats quality then ? |
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| 13:39.29 | Ondra42 | greycat: Sorry. gcc 3.3 |
| 13:39.35 | asg | xtension: well, it's a USian provider. I don't know of any over where you are. |
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| 13:39.51 | mutante | problems with installing a "lamp" http://pastebin.com/296444 |
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| 13:40.01 | masoft | How can I make DEV packages for debian ? (wxGTK > 2.4 will not be in Debian because of License compliant ...) |
| 13:40.02 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
| 13:40.03 | asg | mutante: use a 60 watt bulb with those |
| 13:40.13 | xtension | asg do you advice a local provider instead of a far far away provider too ? |
| 13:40.21 | asg | xtension: generally, yes. |
| 13:40.22 | mutante | asg: heh, why not replace with LEDs |
| 13:40.23 | Belboz99 | I seem to have a few problems with my Sarge upgrade |
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| 13:40.35 | sep | a debian sarge on an older vmware, vmware-tools-install conplains that the version of vmware-tools is not compatible with the gcc version of sarge. Is there someone that packages vmware-tools for sarge outthere ? |
| 13:40.41 | Belboz99 | none of the new apps are available to me |
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| 13:40.55 | asg | mutante: make sure that 'extension=mysql.so' is uncommented and exists in /etc/php4/apache*/php.ini |
| 13:41.01 | asg | mutante: and remove all the php3 crap |
| 13:41.01 | Belboz99 | I can't find OOO or Firefox anywhere |
| 13:41.17 | asg | !info mozilla-firefox sarge |
| 13:41.22 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.4-2 (sarge), Packaged size: 8672 kB, Installed size: 24372 kB |
| 13:41.30 | mutante | asg: thanks, ill check it |
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| 13:42.23 | ugv | when i tried apt-get upgrade, i got The following packages have been kept back .. ... packages |
| 13:42.29 | ugv | how do i update it? |
| 13:42.37 | jasoncohen | Belboz99, OOO? Do you mean OpenOffice? The package is called openoffice.org |
| 13:42.38 | greycat | ugv: /msg dpkg woody->sarge /msg dpkg kept back |
| 13:42.57 | Belboz99 | yeah, Open Office |
| 13:43.07 | Belboz99 | the thing is it's not in the menus |
| 13:43.11 | Anthro | Something in either fetchmail or exim4 is adding a ) to the end of my messages. I'm pretty sure it's fetchmail, because I'm using fetchmail to download from multiple accounts to different local destinations, and only one of them gets the ) added. Can anyone help? |
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| 13:43.14 | Belboz99 | nothing is in the menus |
| 13:43.20 | Belboz99 | at least nothing new |
| 13:43.22 | sep | Belboz99: have you installed openoffice at all ? |
| 13:43.29 | Belboz99 | I updated to Sarge |
| 13:43.42 | Belboz99 | I could have sworn I saw it being installed |
| 13:43.49 | golanx | hi: what about the new debian installer? How is it ? |
| 13:44.02 | Belboz99 | there were a lot of gear icons on the taskbar too |
| 13:44.04 | greycat | OOOH, here's a culprit! "aptitude install proftpd" -> "1 packages upgraded, 7 newly installed, 0 to remove and 120 not upgraded. Need to get 13.1MB of archives. After unpacking 36.1MB will be used." (One of them being perl-doc.) |
| 13:44.07 | Ondra42 | greycat: What correct working (procps[backport] with gcc3.3) or (procps[sarge]witch gcc2.9)? Or, how tu update procps with (dist-upgrade) in same time? |
| 13:44.11 | Belboz99 | as in broken links |
| 13:44.15 | giupy | Belboz99, did you install menu ? |
| 13:44.22 | greycat | Ondra42: did I *NOT JUST TELL YOU* how to make yourself feel better? |
| 13:44.28 | sep | Belboz99: aptitude install openoffice.org |
| 13:44.28 | Belboz99 | how do you mean giupy? |
| 13:44.31 | greycat | 09:37 greycat> Ondra42: you could always do an "apt-get --reinstall install |
| 13:44.31 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:44.46 | giupy | Belboz99, apt-get install menu |
| 13:45.12 | Ondra42 | greycat: fine :( Thak you. |
| 13:45.13 | Belboz99 | no, I never did that giupy |
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| 13:45.32 | Belboz99 | huh |
| 13:45.40 | joloc | i have a corrupted /usr partition. how can i reinstall all packages? (dpkg is repaired.) |
| 13:45.43 | Belboz99 | says that Open Office wasn't installed |
| 13:45.44 | joloc | my guess: dpkg --get-selections | grep install | cut -f1 >packages; cat packages | xargs apt-get remove; cat packages | xargs apt-get install |
| 13:45.51 | Belboz99 | I don't get it |
| 13:45.53 | greycat | joloc: /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 13:45.58 | Belboz99 | I thought all that stuff came standard |
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| 13:46.14 | greycat | Belboz99: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 13:46.16 | giupy | Belboz99, install OO first :) |
| 13:46.19 | greycat | open office "standard" |
| 13:46.22 | greycat | !pa\l Belboz99 |
| 13:46.22 | sep | Belboz99: standard? i dont even have X or openoffice on _my_ standard sarge |
| 13:46.23 | Belboz99 | I mean, I installed 310 new packages |
| 13:46.27 | greycat | !pal Belboz99 |
| 13:46.49 | joloc | greycat: thanks, handy. |
| 13:47.00 | greycat | Belboz99: if you want it, install it. It's not standard because it's *huge* and *bloated* and *non-essential*. |
| 13:47.01 | jasoncohen | Bellboz99 : what do you mean "standard"? It installed it if you used the "desktop" section |
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| 13:47.07 | jasoncohen | anyways, just do apt-get install openoffice.org |
| 13:47.17 | Belboz99 | okay |
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| 13:47.28 | Belboz99 | It's just that I installed 400MB of applications |
| 13:47.30 | paulswm | joloc: you should be able to use get-selections and then set-selections without that in between stuff, it prolly tells you on man dpkg |
| 13:47.36 | jasoncohen | Bellbloz99: so? |
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| 13:47.51 | Belboz99 | I would have thought that Firfox and Open Office would have been included with a file size that large |
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| 13:48.05 | sep | Belboz99: you upgraded 400MB of aplications you didnt install many new ones |
| 13:48.06 | IRCMunky | does the netinstall iso also have a rescue option (kernel 2.6 preferably)? |
| 13:48.10 | jasoncohen | Belboz99, what did you install? I just did an installation that downloaded over 1 GB and 2 GB uncompressed |
| 13:48.17 | Belboz99 | besides, on the Debian.org homepage they say it's a new part Sarge |
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| 13:48.22 | mutante | asg: right, that was it, uncommented mysql.so ,now its just the wrong path to the socket, but i remember having that before, socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' its something different in debian by default.. |
| 13:48.25 | greycat | Hmm, "apt-get install proftpd" only wants to install 6 new packages (not perl-doc), at a net cost of 23.9 MB. |
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| 13:48.30 | sep | IRCMunky: it's called virtual console 2 + mount + chroot |
| 13:48.34 | jasoncohen | IRCMunky, do any of the CDs have a real rescue option? |
| 13:48.42 | asg | mutante: okay |
| 13:48.43 | Belboz99 | they listed all the improvements, and OO was one of them |
| 13:48.46 | IRCMunky | woody iso's (full) did have |
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| 13:49.18 | jasoncohen | Belboz99, yes, but they never said they would force it on you. If you did an "upgrade" from woody it wouldn't have been selected and unless you selected the "desktop" section it also wouldn't have been installed |
| 13:49.21 | sep | Belboz99: there are MANY thausand packages and aplications in sarge, and luckyily you get to choose what you want to install and not have debian set a imaginary standard for what you need |
| 13:49.22 | joloc | paulswm: yes, and man dpkg also says that this doesn't actually *install* the packages, it just modifies the database. |
| 13:49.31 | paulswm | Belboz99: Well install it then, it would be nuts to have it as part of a default install |
| 13:49.33 | Belboz99 | okay, thanks |
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| 13:49.44 | jasoncohen | does the netinstall CD or the sarge CD 1 have a real rescue option? |
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| 13:49.46 | greycat | IRCMunky: people have *used* the sarge CD as a rescue disk, with some difficulty, but last time I checked, the net install image at least did not have one. |
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| 13:50.08 | paulswm | joloc: Well, yes, you'd have to run apt-get to install |
| 13:50.10 | Belboz99 | I think I could have avoided the confusion if I knew that Open Office was listed as openoffice.org in apt-get |
| 13:50.12 | jasoncohen | greycat, it doesn't work properly? |
| 13:50.24 | greycat | jasoncohen: you can *make* it work. |
| 13:50.28 | greycat | jasoncohen: it's just not easy |
| 13:50.30 | Belboz99 | I tried apt-get open-office and it didn't work |
| 13:50.39 | jasoncohen | Belboz99, apt-get openoffice.org |
| 13:50.40 | projectphoenix | Belboz99: apt-cache is your friend |
| 13:50.46 | asg | Belboz99: that's why we have the wonderful 'apt-cache' utility |
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| 13:50.47 | mutante | jasoncohen: as a rescue CD you could also boot from knoppix / kanotix, one of those distributions based on debian but specialized in running from cd |
| 13:50.47 | jasoncohen | you just asked this 5 minutes ago and i answered |
| 13:50.51 | paulswm | Belboz99: apt-cache search openoffice |
| 13:50.52 | Belboz99 | yeah, I get that now jason |
| 13:50.56 | sep | jasoncohen: you get a kernel and you get a shell, there is not a 'magical' rescue mode that does all of that for you, if you want that make a boot floppy. |
| 13:51.01 | PeTeRB | Belboz99: Read /msg dpkg search |
| 13:51.13 | Belboz99 | jason, you missed my last post |
| 13:51.16 | paulswm | It's not going to install packages which don't exist |
| 13:51.20 | Belboz99 | look up :) |
| 13:51.23 | jasoncohen | sep, can't you just run grub-install ? |
| 13:51.44 | jasoncohen | usually my problem is that i installed another distro which screwed up the bootloader |
| 13:51.45 | sep | Belboz99: youv been told times to install openoffice.org _not_ open-office |
| 13:52.03 | nvz | I need that factoid about gtk2.0 fonts.. I had changed my resolution and monitor settings, and it made my gtk2 fonts really large somehow, then I rebooted and they are back to normal, which is way tiny, since I raised the resolution :P |
| 13:52.04 | IDC | how do i check if im running 3.1 r0 ? uname -a doesn't tell |
| 13:52.04 | jasoncohen | Belboz99, apt-cache search packagename |
| 13:52.05 | Belboz99 | I was explaining why I caused the confusion |
| 13:52.20 | Belboz99 | read my longer post 2/3 the way up the page |
| 13:52.22 | sep | jasoncohen: i have grub on a floppy for that, works on everything |
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| 13:52.38 | nvz | IDC: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:53.14 | jllitvay | does anyone has expericed problems with apt-build? |
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| 13:53.16 | IDC | nvz, 3.1 |
| 13:53.16 | IDC | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:53.16 | jasoncohen | IDC, it also tells yoiu if you go to a tty - ctrl-alt-f2 for example |
| 13:53.16 | mrbuckets | irc miscommunications were the cause of many religious wars in the past. I hear that's how the Qing Dynasty of china fell. |
| 13:53.36 | jasoncohen | IDC, though you could be using testing or sid which will not stay 3.1 |
| 13:53.38 | technos | Why are people dumb? I mean, we're not talking normal stupidity. "Don't browse porn at work" "I wasn't, you can check!" "Looks in the history file" "Stop browsing porn at work!" "I wasn't!" |
| 13:53.52 | IDC | jasoncohen, i cannot do that now,im ssh in my debian server now :) but,thanks |
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| 13:54.10 | PeTeRB | jasoncohen: I use Sid and it still says 3.1 :/ |
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| 13:54.43 | paulswm | mrbuckets: I think the dynasty collapse was also due to gentoo taking longer to compile than the Great Wall took to build. |
| 13:54.43 | jasoncohen | PeTeRB, yeah, that's what i was telling him. It'll say 3.1 for a while I suppose. |
| 13:54.45 | asg | PeTeRB: in time, that will revert back to testing/unstable. Ignore it for now. |
| 13:54.48 | cafuego | PeTeRB: That will change when Etch begins/ |
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| 13:54.53 | nvz | technos: maybe the person isnt browsing porn at work, someone is just paranoid thinking that :P |
| 13:54.58 | Belboz99 | lol, we had a guy at college that was looking at porn |
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| 13:55.07 | Belboz99 | and he wansn't just looking either |
| 13:55.12 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 13:55.14 | Belboz99 | cops came and busted him |
| 13:55.19 | jasoncohen | for? |
| 13:55.21 | Belboz99 | it was in the school newspaper |
| 13:55.26 | PeTeRB | jasoncohen, asg, cafuego: Thanks |
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| 13:55.29 | mrbuckets | Belboz: You'd be surprised how much of college bandwith is used for pr0n. |
| 13:55.29 | corpix | hi |
| 13:55.34 | Belboz99 | for indecent exposure for one thing jason |
| 13:55.37 | cafuego | Looking at porn is nothing special, millions do it daily, otherwise the sites would have gone out of business decades ago. |
| 13:55.45 | Belboz99 | he was in the Tech lab |
| 13:55.48 | nvz | my mother still swears I fucked some blonde chick in her bed when she went to Virginia Beach. I've never even seen a blonde chick nude before.. so its all in her head |
| 13:55.51 | jasoncohen | Belboz99, lol...are you serious? |
| 13:55.54 | Belboz99 | yeah |
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| 13:56.01 | jasoncohen | Belboz99, why didn't this moron use his own computer? |
| 13:56.02 | nvz | people get paranoid sometimes |
| 13:56.08 | technos | nvz: Uh hunh.. Thats why the history directory had goat porn, bondage stuff, and adultfriendfinder in it to the tune of 80mb of data.. |
| 13:56.09 | cafuego | nvz: Tell your mum the chick called and says she's pregnant. |
| 13:56.10 | Belboz99 | I don't know |
| 13:56.23 | eye69 | Anyone here running pam-ldap? I've successfully setup nss-ldap so that it shows usernames instead of uid's for files owned by users in the LDAP tree, and pam-ldap so that it "works" to 'su -' to a user in the LDAP tree. However the user doesn't get his own name, and doesn't resolve uid's. |
| 13:56.24 | cafuego | nvz: REALLY give her something to worry about |
| 13:56.29 | paulswm | Heck, within seconds of Usenet first came up, people were transmitting pr0n |
| 13:56.30 | corpix | i just set up encyrpted loop devices (losetup), everything works fine, but i have to enter the long password 4 times (for all loop devices).... how can i pass the password to the mount command in a script ? |
| 13:56.34 | nvz | cafuego: I dont know whats worse, the fact my mother is paranoid, or the fact that I never banged that girl |
| 13:56.43 | Belboz99 | then they went and tightened up on security in the lab |
| 13:56.56 | eye69 | I seem to remember there being a permissions problem when I used LDAP way back, but can't for the life of me remember what the solution was. |
| 13:57.00 | Belboz99 | made it a real PITA to use the lab after that |
| 13:57.04 | cafuego | corpix: Um. |
| 13:57.09 | nvz | cafuego: the girl was here when she was away a few years ago, but she only sat on the couch in the living room, and I never even touched her |
| 13:57.14 | Belboz99 | plust hey had cameras watching everybody |
| 13:57.19 | jasoncohen | if there's a security update to kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 on sarge, will i have to restart and rebuild my custom kernel modules like i did in testing? |
| 13:57.21 | cafuego | corpix: How would storing the password on that machine be in any way secure? |
| 13:57.26 | asg | corpix: that kinda defeats the purpose of encrypting anything if you have the password in plaintext in a file on the box. |
| 13:57.34 | paulswm | !prize asg |
| 13:57.45 | asg | hey booboo |
| 13:57.51 | corpix | cafuego : no i dont want to stored it, i just want to enter it once for all 4 loop devices. |
| 13:57.56 | projectphoenix | if you has the password on a encrypted partition thats is nio problem |
| 13:58.00 | nvz | I find it somewhat depressing she imagines better times than I've had |
| 13:58.06 | projectphoenix | have |
| 13:58.07 | corpix | s/stored/store |
| 13:58.16 | eye69 | Nevermind, solved the problem. |
| 13:58.23 | cafuego | corpix: Nothing can do that for losetup, afaik. |
| 13:58.28 | rope | eye69: permisions on libnss-ldap.conf ? |
| 13:58.35 | sep | nvz:so..? why didn't you ? :) |
| 13:58.49 | xtension | nvz call her |
| 13:58.51 | eye69 | rope: Heh, yeah. I thought I had checked all files, but had missed that one. I set it to 644 and now it works. |
| 13:58.54 | corpix | cafuego : no not for losetup, for mount, following is my fstab entry for one device |
| 13:58.55 | technos | I think I would have let the two hours of eharmony browsing go. Or the two hours of nascar browsing.. But jesus, goat porn? |
| 13:59.02 | cafuego | corpix: I guess you could store the passwords for aprtitions 2-4 on number 1? ;-) |
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| 13:59.03 | nvz | call who :P |
| 13:59.04 | dippo | has anyone here tried using the volatile packages stuff yet? |
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| 13:59.13 | corpix | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:59.19 | xtension | nvz call that girl then |
| 13:59.20 | dippo | should I have to do anything more than adding the mirrors to sources.list and doing apt-get upgrade? |
| 13:59.50 | dippo | I see the packages on their site, but not in apt-cache search. maybe they haven't updated the Contents files with what's up there yet or something |
| 13:59.53 | corpix | echo -e <password> | mount /mnt/hde6 wont work |
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| 14:00.03 | cafuego | corpix: Maybe the automounter, via pam. Dunno... wouldn't get my hopes up. If you're paranoid enough to need a cryptofs, you should also not be happy about caching plaintext in ram. |
| 14:00.12 | sep | dippo: your considering using volatile packages and have no clue how ? that's a good indication that you should _NOT_ do that |
| 14:00.13 | xtension | nvz invite her to a party , girls like that, tell her you still remember her etc blabla |
| 14:00.15 | nvz | if I had her number I would... she's moved south back toward Da Burgh last I heard.. probably lives about 10mi south of here in Avalon right now.. |
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| 14:00.24 | asg | corpix: most mounts can use a 'credentials' option. Again, this is of limited use. |
| 14:00.29 | nvz | I havent seen her in like 2 or 3 years or more |
| 14:00.38 | projectphoenix | hm I'm using cryptsetup in the following way echo $pass | cryptsetup... don't know if it works for losetup as well |
| 14:00.38 | dippo | sep: read all the words. |
| 14:00.40 | xtension | nvz so what |
| 14:00.43 | theorbtwo | nvz: Phone book? |
| 14:00.50 | xtension | nvz you think too much |
| 14:00.51 | Ungy | I am having an issue with my sound it only plays on the right is there someethign I can do to fix this? I am runnign SID with i810 audio |
| 14:00.53 | nvz | haha |
| 14:01.00 | nvz | she's not in the phone book |
| 14:01.01 | sep | dippo: im mindlagged |
| 14:01.07 | corpix | hmm... |
| 14:01.11 | nvz | afaik she probabyl still lives with her dad |
| 14:01.14 | xtension | nvz really , if she not married or anything youll be fine |
| 14:01.15 | nvz | and her sisters |
| 14:01.24 | sep | apt-get update you did ofcouse ? |
| 14:01.26 | Belboz99 | well, gotta run. Thanks all! |
| 14:01.41 | prh | ok - so given that Debian unstable is so stable, why don't we rename it stable, and the stable releases call 'stagnant' to indicate their condition |
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| 14:01.53 | xtension | nvz tell her you are lonley rich debian nerd |
| 14:01.54 | sep | nvz: get her to bring her sister also ;) |
| 14:02.01 | xtension | eheh |
| 14:02.02 | asg | prh: go use ubuntu then, that's what they seem to be doing |
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| 14:02.12 | prh | asg: bah |
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| 14:02.24 | dippo | ah, I see why. stable is not pointing at sarge on the volatile mirrors (yet?) |
| 14:02.25 | technos | prh: Unstable isn't stable. I can't count the number of times I've hosed something blindly apt-get upgrade'ing unstable. |
| 14:02.28 | nvz | haha.. her sisters are cute, but if my calculations are correct they are probably about 12 and 15 by now |
| 14:02.38 | nvz | she should be about 20 this year I guess |
| 14:02.44 | prh | technos: you're unlucky |
| 14:02.52 | prh | or I'm very fortunate... |
| 14:02.53 | xtension | nvz yeah man go go go |
| 14:03.05 | sep | nvz: better and better :) |
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| 14:03.39 | yaaar_work | word |
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| 14:03.50 | technos | prh: You're lucky. In the next few weeks, with the new stable, new crap will be going in at a hellova rate. And crap will break. |
| 14:04.09 | netstat_ | I sorta ran chmod and hosed my system.. now everything has only owner with rwx... I was trying to do that to the home dirs |
| 14:04.16 | netstat_ | anyway to fix this "boo boo" |
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| 14:04.19 | greycat | netstat_: restore from backups |
| 14:04.48 | asg | !i frobbed my perms with chmod |
| 14:04.48 | dpkg | Ouch. In the future, running 'find / \( -name proc -prune \) -o \( -name sys -prune \) -o -name "*" -print0 | xargs -0 ls -ld > /var/backups/permissions.bak' as root from a nightly cronjob will at least allow you to script some recovery. |
| 14:04.58 | rayen | hi, does somebody know a Linux Guide, which will help you to set up your kernel with the 'make menuconfig', because all guides tell you what commands to type, but they don't tell what actually to do in the 'make menuconfig'-part ? |
| 14:05.11 | greycat | why does that have -name "*" in it? |
| 14:05.12 | jsm | I was use debian testing, and i want to be on debian stable now, is there a doc that explains how to do this? |
| 14:05.14 | netstat_ | no backups, new system.. not to worried about the info on it.. but would like to recover if I can |
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| 14:05.22 | xtension | rayen that requires knowlowdge |
| 14:05.50 | asg | greycat: I can't remember offhand. Change it. |
| 14:05.54 | rayen | xtension, so there isn't really a guide for it? |
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| 14:05.58 | sep | netstat_: i guess you could try reinstalling useing the procedure in /msg dpkg reinstall, but i have noe clue if you'd be in a better condition afterwards |
| 14:06.08 | theorbtwo | rayen: For most options, the help is helpful. |
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| 14:06.21 | incorrect | i once found something can that monitor a directory and run a command when it finds changes, anyone else use this? |
| 14:06.25 | technos | netstat_: you can mount the device from the install media, use one of the expert boot options and manually mount the drive.. You can unhose enough of it that way to get it booting properly and then de-hose the rest by apt-get reinstalling the more important stuff. |
| 14:06.30 | prh | technos: yes I guess the years of hovering towards a freeze has kept unstable pretty clean for a long time |
| 14:06.36 | asg | incorrect: famd or something like that |
| 14:06.44 | netstat_ | k... so no matter what I do, there will prob be issues... if this was a production box, then I would only have a choice of restore from backup? |
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| 14:06.57 | sep | incorrect: notifyd |
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| 14:06.59 | xtension | rayen not really but theres a help in the menuconfig |
| 14:07.03 | incorrect | sep, thank you |
| 14:07.06 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
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| 14:07.23 | jsm | is there no easy way to downgrade from debian testing to debian stable? |
| 14:07.24 | Belboz99 | anyone know what a Mapping-Dameon would be doing on User Demo? |
| 14:07.29 | greycat | jsm: no |
| 14:07.31 | xtension | rayen the rest is on the net |
| 14:07.32 | PeTeRB | rayen: Also, see stuff in the Documentation directory |
| 14:07.33 | Belboz99 | using about 93% of my CPU? |
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| 14:07.40 | technos | netstat_: Look at that suggested cron job dpkg piped into channel.. With that kind of perm backup, you can chmod it all back by hand or with a script and everything will be good as new. |
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| 14:07.55 | takatumi_ | jsm: why do you want to? |
| 14:07.57 | rayen | xtension, yeah i know, but i don't understand anything of it with and without help in the menuconfig |
| 14:07.59 | gromf | hello everybody |
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| 14:08.09 | xtension | rayen welcome to the world |
| 14:08.18 | PeTeRB | rayen: You sure you want to compile a kernel then? |
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| 14:08.26 | jsm | takatumi_: i have systems that are on debian testing that i'd like to be on debian stable now, because it's more solid and bug free |
| 14:08.50 | netstat_ | sep : thanks |
| 14:09.04 | bender-RW- | anyone got a good idea how to work around http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=312213 ? |
| 14:09.13 | rayen | PeTeRB, I really want to learn it! |
| 14:09.14 | sep | Belboz99: i wasn't aware there was anything called Mapping-Daemon in debian. i cant find it with apt-file even |
| 14:09.19 | takatumi_ | jsm: change testing to sarge in sources.list |
| 14:09.43 | PeTeRB | rayen: Also, common sense is a really nice thing to have. |
| 14:09.49 | jsm | takatumi_: greycat just said there is no way to do it. that conflicts with what he says. |
| 14:09.57 | Belboz99 | sep: that's odd, and what is a "demo" user? |
| 14:09.59 | jsm | takatumi: no easy way to do it that is. |
| 14:09.59 | xtension | rayen then learn it |
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| 14:10.30 | rayen | lol |
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| 14:10.42 | sep | Belboz99: now i see, it's part of the nautilus cd buring package |
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| 14:10.51 | nvz | gah.. more problems ): |
| 14:10.53 | sep | my apt-file neede an update |
| 14:11.03 | rayen | brb |
| 14:11.10 | takatumi | has a lot got into testing since sarge? |
| 14:11.10 | Belboz99 | wait, that's me! |
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| 14:11.18 | Belboz99 | I read the username wrong, sorry |
| 14:11.19 | nvz | cplay won't play songs now, and lsof /dev/dsp shows nothing, so I must have fucked the permissions or something |
| 14:11.36 | Belboz99 | for some reason Terminal is defauling to really small text |
| 14:11.37 | greycat | nvz: what's the error you get? |
| 14:11.46 | sep | takatumi: you kidding, the release party isnt over yet ! |
| 14:12.04 | xtension | Belboz99 set vga=ask in lilo.conf |
| 14:12.08 | Belboz99 | anyway, I've still got this mapping-daemon running |
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| 14:12.24 | Meltir_ | hi guys. anyone know how i can disable cruft mode when mounting a iso9660 dvdr ? i get a message in the syslog that its being enabled - but man mount doesnt tell me how to disable it. i have a couple of _big_ files on the disc that i can get to via windows, but no love with linux. they get cutt down to 16 megs and thats it :/ any ideas ? |
| 14:12.30 | nvz | greycat: cplay doesnt give errors really, it just wont play it |
| 14:12.57 | nvz | greycat: song name will come up with 0:00s and then it goes away kind of thing |
| 14:13.01 | greycat | nvz: cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp |
| 14:13.04 | ugenn | what kernel version does 3.1 use? |
| 14:13.07 | nvz | heh :P |
| 14:13.12 | asg | ugenn: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8.1 |
| 14:13.13 | greycat | ugenn: 2.4.27 or 2.6.8, patched. |
| 14:13.20 | takatumi | jsm: since sarge just became stable, changing testing to sarge in sources.list followed by an apt-get update and dist-upgrade should be ok. |
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| 14:13.34 | nvz | my mixer still works, I will try writing to the dsp |
| 14:13.36 | takatumi | greycat: am I wrong? ^^ |
| 14:13.41 | incorrect | i have two servers that need to have directories kept in sync now i can use rsync every minute, but that isn't quick enough, i didn't compile nfs into my kernel, there must be something that can scp over files by monitoring a directory |
| 14:13.45 | greycat | takatumi: yes |
| 14:13.51 | nvz | yeap its writable |
| 14:13.51 | greycat | dpkg, woody->sarge |
| 14:13.52 | dpkg | well, woody->sarge is First, "apt-get install aptitude". Then edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then, "aptitude update" and "aptitude dist-upgrade". consider installing hotplug and/or discover1 if you're not confident with linux hardware management. see <sarge release notes> |
| 14:14.00 | Dr_O | bender-RW-: there seems to be a patch in the bug report you mention... try appling that to /usr/sbin/mkinitrd (after making a backup copy of mkinitrd ofcourse) |
| 14:14.05 | ugenn | does it use xorg or xfree? |
| 14:14.07 | nvz | the permissions are straigh on the songs.. I dont know what happened |
| 14:14.10 | Belboz99 | okay xtension, did that |
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| 14:14.13 | greycat | Zeroth, buy a larger hard drive. |
| 14:14.20 | asg | ugenn: xfree |
| 14:14.21 | stouset | Mornin, folks. |
| 14:14.22 | xtension | Belboz99 reboot |
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| 14:14.32 | xtension | Belboz99 first run lilo |
| 14:14.38 | greycat | nvz: if "cat file > /dev/dsp" makes noise, then it's the application that's fucked. |
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| 14:14.40 | sep | incorrect: recompile with nfs, or use drbd |
| 14:14.53 | bender-RW- | Dr_O: aw, stupid me, i didn't see that |
| 14:14.53 | ugenn | 4.4? |
| 14:14.54 | takatumi | jsm: use aptitude instead. |
| 14:14.57 | jsm | takatumi/greycat: so long that no one has done a apt-get update;apt-get upgrade with testing in sources.list since the stable 3.1 release I should be ok? |
| 14:14.58 | bender-RW- | Dr_O: thanks :) |
| 14:15.05 | Belboz99 | what do you mean by "first run Lilo" xtension? |
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| 14:15.11 | asg | ugenn: the last 4.3 that was free |
| 14:15.11 | nvz | greycat: obviously. I will have to restart it I guess. I left it running in screen with irssi last night |
| 14:15.16 | xtension | Belboz99 type : lilo |
| 14:15.22 | stouset | jsm: yes |
| 14:15.29 | asg | ugenn: /msg dpkg x.org ; /msg dpkg release notes |
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| 14:15.39 | nvz | *shrugs* its still fucked |
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| 14:15.47 | takatumi | jsm: yes, but use aptitude. |
| 14:15.51 | stouset | jsm: just make sure sarge or stable is in sources.list, based on what you want the machine to do at the next release |
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| 14:16.01 | Belboz99 | entry 'vga' at or above line 96 in file '/etc/lilo.conf |
| 14:16.15 | berzerka | is the etch release numbered 3.2? |
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| 14:16.46 | theorbtwo | berzerka: IIRC, we don't get numbers until near release. |
| 14:17.01 | theorbtwo | Might be 3.2, might be 4. Won't know until we know what it changed. |
| 14:17.05 | xtension | Belboz99 set 'vga=ask' in lilo.conf |
| 14:17.08 | jasoncohen | so, has the freeze ended? i'm seeing "not touching package, as required by freeze" in packages.qa.debian.org |
| 14:17.15 | Belboz99 | k, I thought I did |
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| 14:17.47 | berzerka | theorbtwo: okay, so if my /etc/debian_version still says 3.1, that doesnt mean i messed up something during the upgrade? |
| 14:17.54 | theorbtwo | jasoncohen: Sarge is now really really frozen. testing and unstable shouldn't be. |
| 14:17.54 | jsm | takatumi: why is aptitude better? |
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| 14:18.08 | Belboz99 | it's there, does the command need a space before it? |
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| 14:18.37 | xtension | Belboz99 remove other 'vga=' in lilo.conf |
| 14:18.46 | jasoncohen | theorbtwo, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gaim.html. it's still showing as in a freeze |
| 14:18.47 | gvandora | Question regarding KHotKeys.... anyone have experience using it to make accented characters like? |
| 14:18.48 | nvz | well I guess I did fuck the permissions somehow.. I had some songs owned by root and nvz. they are all supposed to be smbguest:smbguest -rwxr-x--- |
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| 14:19.12 | Belboz99 | okay, I put a # before vga=normal |
| 14:19.15 | tarzeau | who wanted to try/test/play supertransball2? |
| 14:19.19 | xtension | Belboz99 type : lilo |
| 14:19.51 | tarzeau | paulswm: i've fixed the bug |
| 14:19.52 | sphere | it's a trick question |
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| 14:20.17 | nvz | if my mp3s were -rwx-rwx--- instead, they still could not be group modified or deleted if the parent dir is drwxr-x--- right? |
| 14:20.33 | Belboz99 | xtension: lilo now says "Added Linux *" on the next line it says "Skipping /vmlinuz.old" |
| 14:20.36 | paulswm | tarzeau: I would but I'm off to rest, have some slightly scary artery problems |
| 14:20.43 | nvz | s/x-r/xr/ |
| 14:20.44 | xtension | nvz remove the x 'es its not executables |
| 14:20.52 | theorbtwo | jasoncohen: Possibly not everything that should be updated to the new reality is. |
| 14:20.54 | xtension | Belboz99 reboot |
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| 14:21.00 | nvz | xtension: ah, right |
| 14:21.05 | tarzeau | paulswm: get well soon | just in case you get bored http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/supertransball2/ |
| 14:21.23 | nvz | xtension: but if the dir isnt writable, it doesnt matter if the files are right? |
| 14:21.29 | paulswm | tarzeau: Thanks, buddy, you have fun |
| 14:21.36 | netstat_ | is there a way to delegate administrative work... so say I have an MP3 user, only he can see and read mp3's.. and still allow me to assign one low end user to administer (Copy MP3's to that folder) |
| 14:21.42 | xtension | nvz make them reaonly removing also the w's |
| 14:21.52 | greycat | netstat_: use groups |
| 14:22.04 | Belboz99 | man, that sucks, I was due to turn in a 600 point work unit this morning |
| 14:22.11 | nvz | xtension: 440 then |
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| 14:22.27 | Belboz99 | since that mapping thing was taking up 93% of my CPU it won't be done till tonight |
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| 14:22.38 | xtension | nvz r--r--r-- |
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| 14:22.43 | nvz | no 640 |
| 14:22.47 | K_Dallas | How can i see the label of a CD, using cdrecord or any other tool? thanks |
| 14:22.47 | nvz | is what I would want |
| 14:22.59 | nvz | I think |
| 14:23.04 | dob1 | hi, why apt-get remove xmms want to remove kde kdeaddons kicker-applets too ? |
| 14:23.19 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: does file not show it? |
| 14:23.21 | netstat_ | r--r--r-- is 444 isn't it? |
| 14:23.23 | Ungy | I love xmms |
| 14:23.25 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: file -s on the device? |
| 14:23.26 | xtension | nvz sure , then change the group to audio or somthing |
| 14:23.29 | Ungy | works great |
| 14:23.35 | Belboz99 | hey, that looks better |
| 14:23.36 | Belboz99 | :) |
| 14:23.39 | tarzeau | netstat_: stats yourfile |
| 14:23.40 | K_Dallas | oh, very nice. thanks tarz |
| 14:23.43 | dob1 | Ungy: i don't have a sound card on that pc |
| 14:23.43 | nvz | they are owned smbguest:smbguest |
| 14:23.44 | greycat | K_Dallas: CDs don't have labels. |
| 14:23.46 | tarzeau | s,s,,2 |
| 14:23.50 | Belboz99 | was all choppy looking before |
| 14:23.56 | Ungy | dob1 ahh makes sense |
| 14:24.02 | xtension | nvz for rw-r--r-- change the group |
| 14:24.08 | Belboz99 | hey, and the text in the terminal is now a normal size! |
| 14:24.17 | Belboz99 | man, this so much better! |
| 14:24.21 | Belboz99 | thanks xtension! |
| 14:24.26 | tarzeau | K_Dallas: ahm, www.linuks.mine.nu/people/debian.txt |
| 14:24.28 | xtension | nvz for rw-r--r-- change the group so that owner and group are diff |
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| 14:24.48 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:25.09 | Belboz99 | wow, definitely faster too :) |
| 14:25.27 | K_Dallas | ok tarzeau ;) |
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| 14:25.42 | K_Dallas | how do you call it then? |
| 14:26.01 | takatumi | jsm: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html read section 4.5.2. |
| 14:26.02 | xtension | nvz then rw-r--r-- admin smbusersgroup |
| 14:26.03 | Ungy | nvs I have a windows file server for my music directory but I use MSSQL server to organize them |
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| 14:26.22 | gvandora | I'm trying to use KHotKeys to type accented characters, however it won't output the characters. It will only output normal characters... any suggestions? |
| 14:26.27 | takatumi | tarzeau: where? |
| 14:26.46 | tuxipuxi | i get 404 on apt-get update for non-us unstable. anybody know what's happening? |
| 14:26.47 | Ungy | gvandora, exactly where are you typing them |
| 14:26.47 | kkamji | ping 192.168.1.2 |
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| 14:27.02 | tarzeau | takatumi: http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian/supertransball2/ |
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| 14:27.09 | tuxipuxi | ah and btw, sarge has been officially released. thought i gonna tell you ;) |
| 14:27.25 | tarzeau | !topicbadger tuxipuxi |
| 14:27.30 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that tuxipuxi didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
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| 14:27.38 | tuxipuxi | lol that was a joke |
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| 14:27.47 | xtension | nvz then rwxr-xr-- admin smbusersgroup for the folders to be accessible and readonly for smbusersgroup |
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| 14:27.50 | PeTeRB | tuxipuxi: Not funny. |
| 14:27.51 | csko | not funny |
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| 14:27.57 | Ungy | booo hiss not funny |
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| 14:28.02 | tarzeau | not funny |
| 14:28.05 | csko | btw |
| 14:28.07 | PuGz | hey guys... i have just installed debian unstable, and running a self compiled kernel. Problem: normal users cannot ping or use irssi... root can ping (didnt try irssi for obvious reasons)... do i need to add the users to a group or something? |
| 14:28.10 | Deep6 | Congrats everyonoe |
| 14:28.13 | Deep6 | er everyone |
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| 14:28.24 | tuxipuxi | lol |
| 14:28.32 | gvandora | Ungy: Wherever, they hotkeys window pops up when I type them. for example here in my konsole window , but if they stuff its supposed to output is an accented character it won't work... it will only print for example "t" |
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| 14:28.45 | gvandora | Ungy: but thats only when I change it to "t" for test purposes |
| 14:28.51 | csko | 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 263 not upgraded. <--- what does this mean? |
| 14:29.04 | deego | means, nothing will be done :) |
| 14:29.04 | netstat_ | wht would chmod 444 ./* && chmod 400 .* change the whole hard drives permissions ? When the current dir is /home/mp3 |
| 14:29.26 | nvz | xtension: I havent used samba in a few months, I got to go look at what I got setup.. all I know is the guest users when they sign in from windows with no user/pass, become smbguest |
| 14:29.27 | xtension | netstat_ what is . ? |
| 14:29.30 | shingouz | PuGz: why the hell do you have to install unstable when you do not know how to make pings work? |
| 14:29.44 | PeTeRB | Is this the first time +l has gone over 900? |
| 14:29.45 | netstat_ | that would be "current working directory" |
| 14:29.48 | nvz | xtension: it was working last night, I just now checked from an xp box and its giving permission denied on the whole home dir |
| 14:29.49 | xtension | netstat_ what is .* ? does it include .. ? |
| 14:30.10 | PuGz | shingouz, i have used ping HEAPS before... but it doesnt work on this system! i have used debian unstable before and not had a problem |
| 14:30.11 | xtension | netstat_ .[^.]* |
| 14:30.16 | netstat_ | xtension : I was thinking about the config fieles |
| 14:30.18 | Ungy | gvandora, What program are you trying to type it into is it UTF8 compatiable if it doesn;t support Unicode then it will fail you can't type Unicode characters in a program that dopesn't support it |
| 14:30.22 | PuGz | shingouz, root can ping! why cant a user? |
| 14:30.25 | shingouz | PuGz: check the permissions |
| 14:30.30 | PuGz | oh |
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| 14:30.35 | xtension | netstat_ and chmodded your / |
| 14:30.44 | theorbtwo | ls -l `which ping`. |
| 14:30.45 | Ungy | gvandora, well actually you can but it won't render properly |
| 14:30.46 | theD3viL | Which sources must i add in my sources.list to upgrade to SARGE? ;) |
| 14:30.47 | netstat_ | xtension exacly ;( |
| 14:30.49 | shingouz | PuGz: i do not see any reason to let users ping in real life |
| 14:31.05 | gvandora | Ungy: would the konsole render it ok? or how about openoffice for example? |
| 14:31.10 | theorbtwo | I see -rwsr-xr-x, I suspect you don't. |
| 14:31.14 | PuGz | shingouz, true... but i am a user.... anyway... permissions are 755.. so why cant they ping? |
| 14:31.14 | greycat | theD3viL: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 14:31.24 | theD3viL | greycat, thnx ;) |
| 14:31.26 | xtension | netstat_ ok let me be clear : .* includes .. or the parent dir : use .[^.]* |
| 14:31.33 | PuGz | shingouz, sorry... -rwsr-xr-x |
| 14:31.35 | PuGz | so suid |
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| 14:31.54 | PuGz | theorbtwo, thats what i see |
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| 14:32.08 | theorbtwo | PuGz: ping requires that the user be able to create arbitrary packets, so thus needs to be run as root. |
| 14:32.10 | PuGz | woodsb02@kite:~$ ping yahoo.com |
| 14:32.11 | PuGz | ping: unknown host yahoo.com |
| 14:32.13 | netstat_ | what does [^.]* do? is that to exclude? |
| 14:32.13 | nvz | I might as well clean up while I am at it.. I got /home/amber, /home/cara, and /home/megan, that all need removed |
| 14:32.16 | greycat | PuGz: man resolv.conf |
| 14:32.19 | xtension | netstat_ use full pathnames ! |
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| 14:32.28 | Ungy | gvandora, TIAS |
| 14:32.29 | netstat_ | xtension what does [^.]* do? is that to exclude? |
| 14:32.32 | theorbtwo | Oh. You might have told us that was the problem. That's something /completely/ different. |
| 14:32.37 | PuGz | greycat, root can ping... so thats not the problem |
| 14:32.48 | PuGz | theorbtwo, ok... so you cant ping as a user either? |
| 14:32.51 | greycat | PuGz: ls -ld /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:32.52 | xtension | netstat_ right |
| 14:32.53 | shingouz | PuGz: check the dns first |
| 14:32.55 | greycat | PuGz: ls -ld /etc |
| 14:32.55 | theorbtwo | Yes, pugz, I can. |
| 14:32.59 | theorbtwo | Your DNS is broken. |
| 14:33.11 | PuGz | greycat, WELL DONE! |
| 14:33.18 | PuGz | resolv.conf had bad permissions |
| 14:33.22 | PuGz | dont know why |
| 14:33.24 | PuGz | cheers mate |
| 14:33.29 | yoo | Hi all! |
| 14:33.33 | PuGz | it should be 644 ues |
| 14:33.35 | xtension | netstat_ .[^.]* says current dir and the second character is not a . |
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| 14:33.36 | PuGz | yes? |
| 14:33.46 | jetscreamer | !say gee is sarge out |
| 14:33.46 | stouset | PuGz: 777 |
| 14:33.47 | dpkg | gee is sarge out |
| 14:33.53 | stouset | !say no |
| 14:33.54 | dpkg | no |
| 14:33.55 | gvandora | Ungry: tias? |
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| 14:34.05 | stouset | PuGz: :-) |
| 14:34.05 | netstat_ | xtension cool, thanks man.. I will use then after I re-install EVERYTHING! |
| 14:34.15 | netstat_ | apparently I need the pratice anyhow ;) |
| 14:34.15 | yoo | i search a command who tell me which application listining on port 25 |
| 14:34.16 | PuGz | stouset, ok... dont know why anyone wants to execute it... but ok |
| 14:34.23 | PuGz | stouset, are you serious? |
| 14:34.24 | stouset | PuGz: I was joking! |
| 14:34.24 | paulswm | PuGz: -rw-r--r-- |
| 14:34.27 | PuGz | nice |
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| 14:34.32 | daxxar | yoo, lsof |
| 14:34.45 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: Hah. supertransball2 works for me now :P |
| 14:34.46 | joloc | after crash, i am left with a wreck of a linux box (/usr partition destroyed). reinstalling packages failed. i now want to reinstall debian (etch, kernel 2.6) preserving partition table (/, /usr, swap, other OSs), and keep /etc and /home. best way to proceed? i have woody install-cd and internet access. |
| 14:34.46 | greycat | stouset: poor joke. |
| 14:34.51 | gberardi | I just read that Debian is now at 3.1 |
| 14:34.52 | stouset | greycat: I know :-\ |
| 14:34.52 | yoo | thank daxxar |
| 14:34.56 | maff | does anyone have any links for documentation on running debian from usb storage devices? |
| 14:34.58 | xtension | tarzeau is it fixed ?! |
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| 14:34.59 | daxxar | lsof -i:25 |
| 14:35.00 | greycat | joloc: you can't install etch. |
| 14:35.00 | daxxar | I think |
| 14:35.00 | PuGz | SWEET... its working |
| 14:35.03 | greycat | joloc: install sarge. |
| 14:35.05 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: hah I AM TE LEET BUGFIXAR |
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| 14:35.09 | stouset | gberardi: I read it yesterday. Clearly this is an indication of the size of my Internet penis. |
| 14:35.12 | tarzeau | xtension: yes but pending an upload |
| 14:35.15 | gberardi | lol |
| 14:35.16 | jetscreamer | !d-i joloc |
| 14:35.17 | dpkg | joloc, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 14:35.19 | PuGz | greycat, dont worry... i wouldnt have done it anyway... not that stupid |
| 14:35.21 | fredl | 'lo |
| 14:35.24 | gberardi | stouset: there is a script for that. |
| 14:35.25 | tarzeau | xtension: gnu.ethz.ch/debian/supertransball2/ |
| 14:35.30 | gvandora | Ungy: thanks for your help |
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| 14:35.33 | Ungy | gvandora, TIAS is try it and see |
| 14:35.43 | dob1 | how aptitude works ? i mean , i removed some packages with apt-get, and now aptitude want to reinstall them, why? they are discover fam hotplug lisa mrtg mrtg-contrib mrtgutils portmap xprt, for example why it want to install mrtg ? |
| 14:35.47 | gberardi | $ ./vpenis.sh |
| 14:35.47 | gberardi | 49.5cm |
| 14:35.47 | xtension | tarzeau supertransball2 is already the newest version. :/ |
| 14:35.49 | PuGz | ok... cool |
| 14:35.56 | PuGz | going to log off this damn windows box now |
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| 14:36.00 | tarzeau | xtension: i have the -2 version on the url i gave you |
| 14:36.00 | PuGz | cya in debian soon |
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| 14:36.14 | tarzeau | xtension: it needs to be uploaded first, before you can apt-get it |
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| 14:36.20 | Cope | what package provides msgmerge and similar utils? Is it some i18n thing? |
| 14:36.31 | greycat | Cope: /msg dpkg search |
| 14:36.32 | fredl | I have CUPS running, it detects my printer properly, I can print a test page from the CUPS webinterface printing from openoffice also works fine but printing from firefox won't work.... |
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| 14:36.39 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: if you don't get further in a level, i've put the level codes in /usr/share/doc :) |
| 14:36.40 | stouset | dob1: Because aptitude preserves a list internally of the packages you've had installed. If some other tool removes them, it still believes they should be installed, and prompts you to do so. |
| 14:36.41 | gberardi | So what is the name of "testing" now? |
| 14:36.45 | tarzeau | gberardi: etch |
| 14:36.52 | gberardi | thanks |
| 14:37.01 | dob1 | stouset: how can i tell it that i don't want to reinstall them? |
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| 14:37.10 | fredl | firefox uses 'xprint' right? does that have compatibility problems with CUPS? |
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| 14:37.52 | theD3viL | whats different in sarge?? |
| 14:38.00 | directhex|work | everything. |
| 14:38.03 | gberardi | It's stable now. |
| 14:38.05 | gberardi | B-) |
| 14:38.24 | peritus | what does "up <command>" in /etc/network/interfaces mean? |
| 14:38.34 | clojster | should I change my apt repositories to stable now? |
| 14:38.37 | theorbtwo | man interfaces, peritus? |
| 14:38.39 | theD3viL | directhex|work, kde 3.4 ? |
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| 14:38.55 | stouset | peritus: Runs <command> when the interface comes up. |
| 14:38.55 | shingouz | !topicsmite theD3viL |
| 14:38.56 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon theD3viL. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:39.06 | directhex|work | theD3viL, kde 3.3, gnome 2.8, linux 2.4.27 & 2.6.8, xfree86 4.3 with backports from 4.4rc2 |
| 14:39.21 | fredl | hmmm I guess I needed cupsys-bsd |
| 14:39.21 | theD3viL | =) |
| 14:39.23 | peritus | theorbtwo: thanks, i know man, but it is not very helpful right now. take a look yourself |
| 14:39.27 | ArtVandalae | Hello. What Kernel would I use if I want to get most out of my P4 3.02GHz's HT capabilities? |
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| 14:39.31 | PuGz | back and in debian! |
| 14:39.35 | fredl | at least now lpr works properly |
| 14:39.35 | PuGz | thanks for that help guys |
| 14:39.36 | peritus | stouset: without bringing the interface down like post-down if it fails? |
| 14:39.36 | lazzer | how do i clean up old configurationfiles? i just installed exim4 but all files from exim3 is still everywere how do i clean upp this mess? |
| 14:39.40 | directhex|work | ArtVandalae, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp |
| 14:39.41 | PuGz | stupid resolv.conf permissions |
| 14:39.42 | Cope | greycat: already done apt-cache search and apt-file searcg |
| 14:39.48 | ArtVandalae | directhex|work, thanks |
| 14:39.49 | stouset | peritus: Not sure. man interfaces |
| 14:39.50 | jetscreamer | today is my last day of slow dsl |
| 14:40.03 | PuGz | i thought to check permissions of ping... but not resolv.conf |
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| 14:40.12 | peritus | stouset: well, the problem is, it is not describes |
| 14:40.14 | asg | ArtVandalae: don't forget HT has a potential security vulnerability if this is for a shared server. |
| 14:40.16 | PuGz | apt_: huh? |
| 14:40.23 | stouset | peritus: Huh? |
| 14:40.25 | directhex|work | asg, only on bsd |
| 14:40.28 | peritus | described* |
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| 14:40.36 | jetscreamer | lazzer: apt-get remove --purge exim (not exim4) |
| 14:40.41 | stouset | PuGz: apt_ says that when someone enters the channel using their root account. |
| 14:40.43 | directhex|work | asg, it's been proven as not vulnerable on linux & windows |
| 14:40.43 | asg | directhex|work: oh, okay. I thought that was across the board. |
| 14:40.50 | asg | directhex|work: thanks for the FYI |
| 14:40.54 | peritus | stouset: "up command" is everyting in man interfaces. |
| 14:40.56 | lazzer | jetscreamer, but apt removed exim... |
| 14:41.05 | PuGz | stouset: oh... hehe |
| 14:41.22 | jetscreamer | lazzer: but apt didn't purge exim |
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| 14:41.36 | lazzer | jetscreamer, exactly |
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| 14:41.37 | stouset | peritus: Well, it says the bit about refraining from marking the interface as configured on post-up, but not on up. |
| 14:41.39 | jetscreamer | lazzer: adding --purge take the configs too |
| 14:41.52 | stouset | peritus: So one could reasonably assume that no, it wouldn't mark the interface as borked if the script failed. |
| 14:41.59 | clojster | excuse me, so should I switch APT repositories to STABLE to have packages from Sarge now?? Or is testing still ok? |
| 14:42.05 | PuGz | ok guys... got another question: using apache2; want people to be able to have http://my.server.com/~username. currently it has a permission denied warning... i know it has something to do with UserDir since all their public_html files are 755 |
| 14:42.05 | paulswm | PuGz: apt_ is a bot, of course, so is dpkg and ravenbird |
| 14:42.08 | peritus | stouset: yeah, i guess it's like that. then it's what i am looking for. thanks |
| 14:42.09 | greycat | clojster: change it to "sarge" or "stable" |
| 14:42.14 | stouset | clojster: put it at sarge or stable |
| 14:42.14 | PuGz | paulswm: yeah... got that much |
| 14:42.15 | PuGz | :) |
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| 14:42.19 | Pedro- | Hi, are both DVDs needed to make a successful install of 3.1? |
| 14:42.21 | clojster | thanks |
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| 14:42.25 | pipeline | Pedro-: Nope |
| 14:42.27 | stouset | clojster: Depending on what you want to happen during the next release |
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| 14:42.40 | Pedro- | ecellent |
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| 14:42.44 | pipeline | Pedro-: All you actually need is the ~100M "netinstall" disc. |
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| 14:42.45 | Pedro- | excellent* |
| 14:42.45 | fredl | argh I found a bug in firefox's printing. |
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| 14:42.49 | PuGz | Pedro-: no... you dont even need that much... can just use the netinstall |
| 14:42.52 | PuGz | (100 mb cd) |
| 14:42.56 | clojster | stouset: next relaease? :))) |
| 14:43.00 | fredl | it does not properly print transparent PNG's |
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| 14:43.06 | pipeline | Pedro-: Although the netinstall contains more than that -- you can get away with just two floppies. |
| 14:43.10 | jetscreamer | is businesscard cd still like 56m ? |
| 14:43.11 | Pedro- | PuGz: yeah I know, but say without the use of a net connection |
| 14:43.15 | giupy | how can i clear /tmp dir ? |
| 14:43.21 | clojster | stouset: 3 years is long time |
| 14:43.25 | varta | take a look in http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 14:43.29 | theD3viL | marillat dont have sarge packages yet ? |
| 14:43.34 | PuGz | Pedro-: yeah... just need the first dvd, but i believe things like the kernel source are on cd 2 |
| 14:43.39 | pipeline | Pedro-: The bare minimum to install without a internet connection is the "netinstall" |
| 14:43.39 | stouset | clojster: Yes. If you want the machine to continue to track sarge even once etch is released, use "sarge". If you want it to track stable (i.e., upgrade to etch automagically when it's released), point it at "stable". |
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| 14:43.41 | Pedro- | ah |
| 14:43.49 | PuGz | *dvd2 |
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| 14:43.51 | directhex|work | theD3viL, the packages in marillat testing are for sarge |
| 14:43.52 | Pedro- | pipeline: yeah I know, but that's not what I'm asking |
| 14:43.56 | varta | and search for a package in stable... |
| 14:44.02 | directhex|work | PuGz, wrong |
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| 14:44.03 | Pedro- | I mean a fully working desktop env. |
| 14:44.09 | varta | they are the sarge ones.. |
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| 14:44.14 | PuGz | directhex|work: ok... they are on mine... but they arent official |
| 14:44.25 | directhex|work | PuGz, packages are in popularity order in debian. kernel source is very popular |
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| 14:44.29 | Pedro- | kernel sources are something I can download later on if needed |
| 14:44.35 | PuGz | directhex|work: i can imagine! |
| 14:44.43 | jasoncohen | directhex|work, PuGz : the packages in marillat stable are also for starge starting yesterday |
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| 14:45.03 | erpel | does anybody have an idea how to get debian on a laptop that does not boot from cdrom oder usb, got no network connection and only can have cd or floppy drive installed?(old panasonic toughbook) |
| 14:45.06 | PuGz | jasoncohen: ok... but i think we were talking about something else dude |
| 14:45.08 | PuGz | ;) |
| 14:45.10 | jetscreamer | ooo new sid packages |
| 14:45.14 | directhex|work | jasoncohen, really? christian's on the ball! |
| 14:45.18 | jasoncohen | PuGz, sorry, didn't mean to send that to you |
| 14:45.18 | PuGz | jetscreamer: such as? |
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| 14:45.20 | greycat | jetscreamer: phear. |
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| 14:45.25 | PuGz | jasoncohen: no probs dude |
| 14:45.29 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, how new? |
| 14:45.31 | xophEr | If I used sarge/testing do I need to do a distro-upgrade to move on to etch/testing? |
| 14:45.35 | jasoncohen | directhex|work, yes, i already upgraded my sources.list file to reflect the change. you should do the same. |
| 14:45.37 | directhex|work | jetscreamer, gnome, kde and xorg at once new? |
| 14:45.41 | Anthro | !rube goldberg install |
| 14:45.41 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 14:45.44 | Pedro- | erpel: I think there's a boot floppy somewhere |
| 14:45.44 | greycat | xophEr: probably |
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| 14:45.49 | shingouz | erpel: can the thing hotswap the floppy and cd? some IBM's can |
| 14:45.52 | jetscreamer | directhex|work: no just a couple unknowns |
| 14:45.54 | directhex|work | xophEr, depends how your sources.list is written |
| 14:45.56 | PuGz | xophEr: yes... but it is dist-upgrade |
| 14:46.05 | jasoncohen | xophEr, what are you using currently? |
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| 14:46.06 | erpel | shingouz the manual says no |
| 14:46.07 | PuGz | xophEr: actually... no |
| 14:46.11 | PuGz | sorry |
| 14:46.23 | PuGz | is etch actually in there yet? i didnt think it was |
| 14:46.23 | jetscreamer | download the paper tape edition! |
| 14:46.28 | directhex|work | xophEr, if your sources.list currently points to "testing", no changes needed on your part |
| 14:46.32 | jetscreamer | pugz don't htink so |
| 14:46.34 | xophEr | directhex|work, ok, great |
| 14:46.34 | shingouz | erpel: a pcmcia cdrom and boot the thing off a floppy? |
| 14:46.35 | Lee__ | mad props to the testing->stable upgrade on the laptop. |
| 14:46.46 | Anthro | erpel: can it use an external CDROM of some stripe? |
| 14:46.52 | PuGz | using apache2; want people to be able to have http://my.server.com/~username. currently it has a permission denied warning... i know it has something to do with UserDir since all their public_html files are 755 |
| 14:46.57 | PuGz | (sorry to repeat) |
| 14:46.57 | jasoncohen | xophEr, if you want to use etch change your sources.list file to testing. If you want to use sarge set it to sarge |
| 14:47.14 | erpel | hm possibly @ Anthro but i would prefer not to have to by some things for it |
| 14:47.17 | greycat | PuGz: /home and /home/user and /home/user/public_html must all have world +x perms (711) minimum. |
| 14:47.32 | PuGz | greycat: oh! ok... will check that |
| 14:47.38 | greycat | PuGz: and it should be http://domainname/~username/ AND NOT http://domainname/~username |
| 14:47.44 | shingouz | erpel: a parallel port cdrom or zip drive would work too. and taking out the hd, put it in a desktop with an adapter and install there. pcmcia nic helps too, just boot off a floppy and do a netinstall |
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| 14:47.56 | PuGz | greycat: really? whats the difference? |
| 14:47.56 | erpel | i was thinking of a basic linux that can be installed from a few floppys and then use it to run the cd insaller |
| 14:48.05 | spoonman2 | how do i get a 'DD-MM-YYYY' format from the date command? |
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| 14:48.13 | greycat | spoonman2: man date |
| 14:48.17 | Anthro | erpel: Well, you could probably install an old version from floppies (I think there might still be floppy images for woody), then upgrade from CDROM. |
| 14:48.25 | directhex|work | sounds completely pointless to me |
| 14:48.31 | jetscreamer | there are floppies for sarge |
| 14:48.37 | shingouz | erpel: the netinstll floppies if you have the ram to do so |
| 14:48.49 | erpel | 64mb |
| 14:48.55 | greycat | PuGz: echo -e 'GET /~username HTTP/1.1\nHost: my.server.com\n' | nc my.server.com 80 |
| 14:48.57 | erpel | but it has no network connection |
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| 14:48.59 | shingouz | erpel: netinstall floppis for sarge then |
| 14:49.06 | shingouz | erpel: get a pcmcia nic? |
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| 14:49.17 | erpel | hm. i'll try |
| 14:49.19 | Anthro | erpel: Buy a network card for it. Why wouldn't you want a network? |
| 14:49.36 | directhex|work | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#floppy-boot |
| 14:49.57 | jasoncohen | xchat is still showing as in a freeze. http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xchat |
| 14:49.57 | PuGz | greycat: woah |
| 14:49.57 | erpel | its for my mother. she will use a modem for checking emails once a week @ Anthro |
| 14:49.57 | lestest | hi there ... what's the name of the dns server for a little lan, the one which forwards dns request to the isp dns? |
| 14:50.41 | exeel | lestest, a caching dns server? |
| 14:50.41 | asg | lestest: dnscache (if you want djbware) |
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| 14:50.41 | shingouz | erpel: you can also install the stuff on a desktop if you have an adapter to install the drive there. parallel port cd or zip, serial or parallel connection |
| 14:50.42 | greycat | asg: heh, not likely... |
| 14:50.45 | Anthro | erpel: Ah. And you're going to run X11 and what window manager in 64MB? |
| 14:50.50 | PeTeRB | lestest: I use dnsmasq |
| 14:51.01 | erpel | blackbox or something |
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| 14:51.02 | asg | greycat: well, it's much easier than fooling with bind, that's for sure. |
| 14:51.14 | shingouz | erpel: /msg dpkg laptop |
| 14:52.23 | lestest | PeTeRB: dnsmasq? |
| 14:52.23 | theD3viL | directhex|work, what about rarewares.org.. stable / unstable / experimental? |
| 14:52.23 | lestest | exeel: yep |
| 14:52.24 | lestest | asg: thankz |
| 14:52.24 | PuGz | greycat: i dont have nc... what is it? |
| 14:52.24 | joris | lestest: dnsmasq is good |
| 14:52.24 | erpel | do you think its not enough ram @ Anthro ? |
| 14:52.24 | greycat | PuGz: netcat |
| 14:52.24 | directhex|work | theD3viL, i don't use rarewares.org |
| 14:52.24 | joris | lestest: it also contains a small dhcp server |
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| 14:52.24 | PuGz | ok |
| 14:52.34 | exeel | lestest, i think asg has it with dnscache :) of course, you could always bite the bullet and use bind |
| 14:52.44 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: SYN |
| 14:52.50 | Anthro | erpel: You want to run X11 and some graphical mail client, plus at least PPP in the background, right? And you probably want a GUI for setting up PPP, right? |
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| 14:52.59 | shingouz | erpel: 64M is good enough if you keep the install tight. icewm, *box or something very samll |
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| 14:53.20 | erpel | that is what i tougt about Anthro |
| 14:53.21 | lestest | thankz all |
| 14:53.39 | Anthro | shingouz: Name a GUI email client that will share 64MB of RAM with X11. |
| 14:53.42 | erpel | i think it will still be better than win95 |
| 14:53.42 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: SYN/ACK |
| 14:53.49 | greycat | Anthro: xterm -e mutt |
| 14:53.51 | shingouz | Anthro: sylpheed |
| 14:54.00 | tarzeau | Anthro: GNUMail.app |
| 14:54.05 | Anthro | greycat: It's for his mom. Mutt is right out. |
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| 14:54.17 | involved | mutt =) |
| 14:54.19 | directhex|work | mutt, mutt is right out |
| 14:54.28 | involved | mutt+gnome-terminal =) |
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| 14:54.42 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ACK |
| 14:54.43 | Mage\work | s/gnome-terminal/aterm |
| 14:54.49 | shingouz | involved: gnome-terminal? on 64M of ram? heh |
| 14:54.55 | Anthro | erpel: Well, you might manage it. God forbid she tries to run a web browser, though. |
| 14:54.55 | PuGz | greycat: yep... that 711 permissions for ~username did the job! |
| 14:54.58 | PuGz | greycat: cheers! |
| 14:54.59 | stouset | shingouz: Erm, yes. |
| 14:55.01 | dob1 | why with "aptitude remove xmms" i get this ? http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/7JVbF988.html 239 packages to be removed |
| 14:55.02 | takisd | any suggestions for a simple backup mechanism (with compression) where i could easily pick one file out of the lot as required? was looking at dar?? |
| 14:55.09 | PuGz | greycat: that caused me a fair bit of stress ;) |
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| 14:55.25 | tarzeau | takisd: ibackup |
| 14:55.25 | greycat | oh well. it's gone now. |
| 14:55.30 | erpel | but that thing was able to run word with win95 |
| 14:55.32 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: you ever had problems with sarge or sid on sparc64 where during the netboot install when the release file is to be downloaded the network connection is dropped? |
| 14:55.57 | stouset | dob1: Because aptitude was told at some point to remove KDE, but never went through with it |
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| 14:55.57 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: no. never. |
| 14:55.57 | stouset | dob1: Open aptitude, fix, then, remove xmms |
| 14:55.57 | takisd | tarzeau: will give it a look now.. thanks |
| 14:55.57 | erpel | i've been told |
| 14:56.05 | Anthro | erpel: And did it run well? You're going to be swapping. A lot. |
| 14:56.09 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: for example I netboot and then I get to the part where a mirror is choosen and then the installer tries to download the release file but on the switch the connection goes dead |
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| 14:56.19 | greycat | ooh, we're getting closer. 37376 left on df(1) and apt-get says it wants 36.9MB additional. |
| 14:56.21 | flash_muppet | where can I find some XFree86 help .. I have installed x-window-system and it has crashed .. I have a 9600xt video card .. I have dual boot with windows 2000 |
| 14:56.33 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: its not like there is just no data going through or something it is as if the network cable was unplugged |
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| 14:56.37 | directhex|work | dob1, aptitude makes assumptions about orphans and dependancies. "kde" depends on xmms, so removing xmms removes kde and all dependancies |
| 14:56.38 | PuGz | Need to get 410MB of archives. <- i am gonna be waiting at least 40 mins |
| 14:56.44 | asg | greycat: that's a little tight. Did you remove the 5% root default reserve also? |
| 14:56.47 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I am finding this very strange |
| 14:56.53 | directhex|work | flash_muppet, read /var/log/XFree86.0.log and find the error |
| 14:57.01 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: this happens for both interfaces on the v100 |
| 14:57.03 | greycat | asg: no, I'd like to keep that safety margin |
| 14:57.09 | dob1 | directhex|work: and to fix that ? |
| 14:57.10 | asg | greycat: *nod* |
| 14:57.11 | greycat | asg: and I'm still pruning/installing stuff one at a time |
| 14:57.12 | jetscreamer | it was 50minutes for this grandma last night PuGz |
| 14:57.18 | asg | greycat: ah, okay |
| 14:57.23 | directhex|work | dob1, good question! |
| 14:57.26 | greycat | asg: also I need to keep *some* free space in / for the mail queue |
| 14:57.41 | dob1 | directhex|work: but anyway why kde depends on xmms ? |
| 14:57.41 | joloc_ | debootstrap or debian-installer, what should i use? (as said above, my linux box crashed, /usr partition destroyed, want to preserve partition table and files under /etc and /home. i have network access") |
| 14:57.44 | flash_muppet | directhex|work: there is more than one .. no idea what they mean either? |
| 14:57.49 | greycat | dob1: because it's KDE |
| 14:57.54 | directhex|work | dob1, because it does O_o |
| 14:58.10 | greycat | might as well ask why gnome depends on gnome-terminal. Because it's gnome. |
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| 14:58.28 | dob1 | xmms is part of kde ? |
| 14:58.33 | jetscreamer | no |
| 14:58.37 | jetscreamer | but may depend on it |
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| 14:58.42 | Anthro | gnome-terminal is teh suck. |
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| 14:58.53 | PuGz | Anthro: what do you use? i like mrxvt |
| 14:58.55 | lewis | when apt-get upgrading, mdadm was installed, and warned me to run: 'mdadm --zero-superblock /dev/md0' - will this affect my existing RAID array in any way? |
| 14:58.57 | jetscreamer | or rather, some multimedia kde stuff may depend on it |
| 14:58.59 | stouset | dob1: I answered your question. Fix it in aptitude, then do the aptitude remove xmms |
| 14:59.01 | Anthro | !start a terminal war |
| 14:59.02 | dpkg | MS Telnet sucks ! |
| 14:59.04 | zAo^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.07 | zAo^ | lol |
| 14:59.10 | directhex|work | !start a food fight |
| 14:59.10 | dpkg | curry is bloated |
| 14:59.15 | K_Dallas | ;) term is term is term |
| 14:59.20 | asg | mmmmm, curry |
| 14:59.24 | jetscreamer | curry is a shader editor :p |
| 14:59.29 | PuGz | ok ok... settle |
| 14:59.33 | Anthro | !start a terminal war |
| 14:59.33 | dpkg | xterm ber alles ! |
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| 14:59.39 | Anthro | Woo! |
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| 15:00.07 | Lee__ | wow. sarge is 14 cd-rs |
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| 15:00.09 | dob1 | stouset: yes i read, but i don't know how to do that :) |
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| 15:00.17 | Peo | hi * |
| 15:00.20 | PuGz | Anthro: you started it! |
| 15:00.21 | PuGz | jokes |
| 15:00.32 | stouset | dob1: aptitude install kde |
| 15:00.39 | Lee__ | are the CD packages sorted by popularity, like the more popular ones are on the lower number CDs? |
| 15:00.46 | technos | Lee__: If you have a fast connection, just get the business card CD image and netinstall. :) |
| 15:00.46 | asg | Lee__: yes |
| 15:00.46 | greycat | Lee__: yes |
| 15:00.47 | PuGz | yes |
| 15:00.48 | greycat | !popcon |
| 15:00.48 | dpkg | Popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. |
| 15:00.49 | stouset | Lee__: Yes |
| 15:01.11 | Lee__ | I've been doing netinst's for sarge but now that it's stable, I'd like to at least have one offline copy. |
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| 15:01.23 | Anthro | PuGz: Eh? Oh, I just wanted dpkg to come up with the xterm one, for it is the one true terminal, and all others are but pale shadows of it's greatness. Despite its annoyingly large memory footprint. |
| 15:01.40 | stouset | Lee__: But popularity-contest probably doesn't represent a truly unbiased demographic of Debian users, since it's unlikely to be installed on servers. |
| 15:02.08 | PuGz | Anthro: true... i use mrxvt for the tabs... but now i realise screen is just as good |
| 15:02.11 | PuGz | so it isnt needed |
| 15:02.18 | mrwill | stouset: hmmm, I was just considering installing it on my server, get my vote counted, not that it matters. |
| 15:02.22 | greycat | stouset: it's a self-selected sample. That's more important. |
| 15:02.31 | Lee__ | no popularity contests are fair but it's better than wasting all that precious internet bandwidth |
| 15:02.32 | greycat | mrwill: it matters. |
| 15:02.42 | asg | stouset: if everyone used it, cd1 would be nothing but tuxracer and bibble-bobble and useful tools would be relegated to cd7 or worse. |
| 15:02.42 | bender-RW- | lewis: IIRC zeroing the superblock is only needed when creating new arrays and may be harmful |
| 15:02.44 | mrwill | greycat: well, in that case, I'll do it. |
| 15:02.53 | dob1 | stouset: it's the same after aptitude install kde |
| 15:02.57 | Anthro | PuGz: I use many xterms, spread over lots of screen real estate. |
| 15:03.05 | lewis | bender-RW-: that is the impression I got, so I won't do it. |
| 15:03.18 | Lee__ | I think azureus would probably be in front of base-system if everyone used it. |
| 15:03.23 | lewis | bender-RW-: I just didn't want things not to work upon next reboot, it mentioned something about autostart... |
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| 15:03.31 | bender-RW- | lewis: i didn't when i upgraded from woody to sarge and it worked for me |
| 15:03.31 | theorbtwo | Is Az even packaged? |
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| 15:03.48 | theorbtwo | Oh! It is! |
| 15:03.58 | lewis | bender-RW-: thanks for that, I'll leave things alone. |
| 15:03.58 | stouset | asg: haha |
| 15:04.04 | directhex|work | !woody |
| 15:04.04 | dpkg | woody is, like, the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 15:04.14 | directhex|work | bleh. /me thinks of a suitabvle replacement |
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| 15:04.27 | bender-RW- | s/woody/sarge/ ;P |
| 15:04.30 | stouset | no, dpkg, woody is the old stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" |
| 15:04.41 | PuGz | !sarge |
| 15:04.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge is Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the current stable releases code name, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me install debian, or i guess sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released in one time... read the release notes at http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes |
| 15:04.41 | stouset | !woody |
| 15:04.41 | dpkg | methinks woody is the current stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "potato->woody" or "woody install guide". |
| 15:04.47 | stouset | Argh. |
| 15:04.51 | stouset | dpkg, woody is the old stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" |
| 15:04.51 | dpkg | ...but woody is already something else... |
| 15:04.57 | Anthro | Azureus can bite me. Requires sun-j2sdk1.5, does it? Useless on my PPC! |
| 15:04.59 | bbrazil | stouset: dpkg: no blah |
| 15:04.59 | asg | stouset: there is a lot of factoid tuning that needs to be done. |
| 15:05.08 | technos | "Woody was like, the last stable release of Debian, vesrion 3.0. It was released three years ago, and is waay old and grody. Ask me about Sarge." |
| 15:05.10 | Lee__ | Anthro: yes, requires a Sun jre |
| 15:05.12 | stouset | no dpkg: woody is the old stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" |
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| 15:05.17 | stouset | erm |
| 15:05.18 | stouset | Gah! |
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| 15:05.19 | asg | !woody =~ s/current/previous/ |
| 15:05.19 | dpkg | asg: OK |
| 15:05.31 | stouset | dpkg: no woody is the old stable release of Debian, version 3.0, released July 19, 2002. Ask me about "woody->sarge" or "sarge install guide" |
| 15:05.32 | dpkg | stouset: okay |
| 15:05.45 | lewis | hah - i love the way it argues... |
| 15:05.52 | stouset | !woody =~ s/old/previous/ |
| 15:05.52 | dpkg | stouset: OK |
| 15:05.59 | stouset | !woody->sarge |
| 15:06.07 | stouset | !potato->woody |
| 15:06.13 | weasel | directhex|work: grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:06.20 | shingouz | hehe |
| 15:06.21 | asg | directhex|work: wait till sunday, all of the factoid pruning will result in dpkg returning blemonge recipes |
| 15:06.28 | PuGz | directhex|work: yes, well done |
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| 15:06.44 | directhex|work | asg, you've got weasels on your face |
| 15:06.45 | PuGz | weasel: calm yourself |
| 15:06.51 | PuGz | haha |
| 15:06.55 | greycat | stouset: there's a bug with "!" and "->" |
| 15:06.59 | greycat | stouset: /msg it instead |
| 15:07.03 | stouset | greycat: D'oh. |
| 15:07.07 | asg | directhex|work: I've had worse I suppose |
| 15:07.32 | technos | Ought to feed it a recipe for potato->sarge for good measure. :) |
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| 15:07.45 | rayen | hi i am currently compiling my kernel (make menuconfig), I noticed that the 'help' feature sometimes says: Prompt: ...... support, does this mean that my PC is able to work with this feature /OR does this mean that my kernel is currently running this feature ? |
| 15:07.47 | directhex|work | bo->etch ! |
| 15:07.51 | greycat | technos: why not just do bo->etch? |
| 15:07.55 | asg | heh |
| 15:07.58 | greycat | directhex|work: damn you. |
| 15:07.59 | directhex|work | !lose greycat |
| 15:08.00 | dpkg | greycat: You Lose. |
| 15:08.09 | stouset | directhex|work: There's a really easy process for that. |
| 15:08.11 | PuGz | technos: true, but i think if you are hardcore enough to still be using potato you would know how to upgrade to sarge! |
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| 15:08.13 | technos | greycat: That would be perverse. |
| 15:08.14 | Lee__ | rayen: please don't compile your own kernel unless you have a very good reason. |
| 15:08.15 | stouset | directhex|work: Download Sarge CDs, wipe ;) |
| 15:08.16 | asg | directhex|work: bo->etch is see also biatch |
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| 15:08.27 | stouset | !rolling your own |
| 15:08.27 | dpkg | methinks rolling your own is usually a bad idea, unless you're using make-kpkg on one of Debian's kernel-source packages. Unless you know what you're doing AND have a really compelling reason, there is just no goddamn point |
| 15:08.29 | cuti | how do i find out my version |
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| 15:08.31 | theD3viL | directhex|work, what is this? :S -> W: Couldn't stat source package list ftp://ftp.nerim.net testing/main/ Packages(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_testing_main__binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory)? |
| 15:08.35 | rayen | Lee__, I want to learn how to compile a kernel :) |
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| 15:08.40 | stouset | rayen: Why? |
| 15:08.41 | asg | cuti: /etc/debian_version |
| 15:08.41 | greycat | !version |
| 15:08.41 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 15:08.42 | Anthro | PuGz: You don't have to be hardcore to use potato. You can just be lazy. |
| 15:08.50 | stouset | rayen: You don't compile the rest of your programs. Why the kernel? |
| 15:08.52 | Lee__ | rayen: then read everything in the Documentation directory of your kernel source. don't ask here. |
| 15:08.57 | cuti | cool |
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| 15:09.04 | cuti | thx asg :) |
| 15:09.04 | spo0nman | is there some issue with the binary dvd's of sarge? |
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| 15:09.06 | directhex|work | theD3viL, run aptitude update again? |
| 15:09.06 | technos | PuGz: I had potato actually running last week.. My testing disc for Sparc hadn't been remade since potato was new and shiny. |
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| 15:09.10 | directhex|work | spo0nman, yes. |
| 15:09.15 | stouset | spo0nman: Such as? |
| 15:09.21 | PuGz | Anthro: very lazy! |
| 15:09.38 | spo0nman | what exactly? i am in process of downloading... |
| 15:09.42 | theD3viL | directhex|work, lol tnx ;) now dist-upgrade right? ;) |
| 15:09.49 | Anthro | PuGz: Oh, like there's nothing you've put off for 3+ years. |
| 15:09.54 | technos | PuGz: I'll remake it next time I get more than a dozen Sparcs at once.. |
| 15:09.55 | spo0nman | stouset, i am asking if there is, |
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| 15:09.58 | directhex|work | spo0nman, 3.1r0 is bugged, 3.1r0a is to be released imminently. either wait, or install what you download & manually fix the security url in sources.list post-install |
| 15:09.58 | stouset | rayen: Few people here will help you compile your kernel because it's not something that should ever need to be done, except in extraordinarily rare circumstances. |
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| 15:10.03 | PuGz | stouset: i find the system boots quicker if you recompile the kernel.... you could set up your hotplug blacklist to stop it from taking so long, but kernel compilation seems easier |
| 15:10.07 | stouset | spo0nman: Ah, thought you were trying to verify ;-) |
| 15:10.09 | rayen | stouset, because I am curious and I want to learn |
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| 15:10.20 | jharrisonwk | greycat: for debian dvd iso? |
| 15:10.22 | Rickdangerous | rayen, learn by reading |
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| 15:10.35 | greycat | jharrisonwk: just a feeling. |
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| 15:10.40 | stouset | rayen: Even then, there are billions of more practical and useful things to learn :-P |
| 15:10.40 | spo0nman | stouset, note the "is there" instead of "there is." |
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| 15:10.47 | directhex|work | greycat, people still use 32 bit computers? how very silly |
| 15:10.48 | jharrisonwk | greycat: bittorrent works well |
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| 15:10.54 | greycat | jharrisonwk: *nod* |
| 15:11.01 | Rickdangerous | rayen, asking on irc won't be good in the long term i.e. you won't remember |
| 15:11.10 | greycat | directhex|work: we still burn fossil fuels. what do you expect? |
| 15:11.11 | rijakr | 3.1r0 bugged? |
| 15:11.15 | bender-RW- | directhex|work: are they only fixing that one bug in 3.1r0a, or are there more fixes planned? |
| 15:11.15 | jharrisonwk | any of you guys have experience with debian on sparc64 |
| 15:11.21 | rayen | stouset, can you compile a kernel? |
| 15:11.24 | stouset | spo0nman: Like I said, I thought you were trying to verify that there was a problem. Like, "is there a problem with the 2.6.11 kernel in sid? It's crashing on me" kind of thing. |
| 15:11.26 | directhex|work | bender-RW-, that's it from what i can see |
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| 15:11.35 | mofino | 2.6.11.9 I hope |
| 15:11.37 | mrwill | hmmm, zope won't install correctly on sarge... says 'zope failed to preconfigure, with exit status 22'... what might be wrong? |
| 15:11.40 | stouset | rayen: I could two years ago, when I realized how futile it was. |
| 15:11.40 | PuGz | anyone here ever used gcc 4.0 for a big compile? how does it go... i heard it is slow and produces big packages |
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| 15:11.49 | bender-RW- | directhex|work: for me #312213 turned out quite nasty |
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| 15:11.53 | greycat | PuGz: ask #gcc or ##c or something... |
| 15:12.02 | technos | jharrisonwk: Yes, a bit. I'm probably not current, I don't have any of those machines anymore. What d'ya need to know? |
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| 15:12.03 | mofino | PuGz, and what makes you believe that? |
| 15:12.10 | mofino | PuGz, have you been reading forums again? |
| 15:12.13 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, wait gor 4.0.1 at least |
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| 15:12.22 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, 4.0 needs opimization work |
| 15:12.23 | stouset | rayen: So I probably still could. |
| 15:12.25 | rayen | stouset, do you know what that prompt / support - means? |
| 15:12.30 | PuGz | mofino: i didnt say i believe it, i said i have heard |
| 15:12.38 | mofino | PuGz, ahh I see. :) |
| 15:12.42 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: yeah, thats what i had heard |
| 15:12.50 | stouset | rayen: Nope. Nor do I care to. |
| 15:12.56 | spo0nman | stouset, so there is none, correct? |
| 15:13.00 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, also 4.1 stage 2 is finished on june 6th. |
| 15:13.01 | PuGz | mofino: i did use gcc 4.0 in archlinux for a while... noticed no problems |
| 15:13.03 | jetscreamer | opposite of slow support? |
| 15:13.08 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, using it would be a better choice |
| 15:13.10 | jojon | Argh, I can't remember how to fix this "Root-NFS: Server returned error -13 while mounting /tftpboot/x". I've come across it before when setting up systems with root on NFS, but this time I'm failing.. Anyone? |
| 15:13.11 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: (in the past?) |
| 15:13.18 | stouset | spo0nman: I don't know :-) I think someone said there was, but they could have been replying to someone else. |
| 15:13.21 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, next month |
| 15:13.28 | spo0nman | hmm |
| 15:13.31 | jharrisonwk | technos: why the link goes down when the tftp installer tries to download the release file from the mirrors |
| 15:13.32 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, er july ::) |
| 15:13.32 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: so you mean july? |
| 15:13.35 | PuGz | nice |
| 15:13.40 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, yes sorry |
| 15:13.44 | PuGz | no probs |
| 15:13.44 | clojster | what are the "shellutils, textutils and fileutils" packages for? I have replaced "testing" for "stable" in my apt repositories and now it wants to install those 3 packages |
| 15:13.46 | jharrisonwk | technos: its as if the network cable was pulled out of the NIC |
| 15:13.56 | stouset | clojster: Necessary packages. |
| 15:13.59 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: you just have the debian release date ground into your mind dont you? |
| 15:14.10 | jharrisonwk | technos: this is on sarge of course |
| 15:14.14 | jharrisonwk | technos: on woody its ok |
| 15:14.14 | technos | jharrisonwk: What kernel? That's a new bug to me. I never saw that happen. |
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| 15:14.19 | jojon | The mountd log is just saying "NFS mount of /tftpboot/x attempted from 192.168.1.42".. |
| 15:14.28 | jharrisonwk | technos: I have tried 2.4.27 image and now I am trying 2.6.8 image |
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| 15:14.32 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, heh no no. I heard it's finalized and released on 6th |
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| 15:14.48 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, and stage 2 wil be fnalized on 6th too |
| 15:14.51 | Rickdangerous | finalized* |
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| 15:15.02 | theD3viL | Why nothing change when i upgrading to sarge? Just removed many programs .. and nothing NEW. |
| 15:15.02 | PuGz | cool |
| 15:15.10 | technos | jharrisonwk: I'm sorry, I've never seen that one happen.. :/ |
| 15:15.12 | greycat | theD3viL: because you fucked up? |
| 15:15.17 | PuGz | nic |
| 15:15.19 | PuGz | *nice |
| 15:15.20 | greycat | theD3viL: because you were already running testing? |
| 15:15.23 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, debian wll probably skip 4.0 and transition to 4.1 |
| 15:15.25 | mrwill | theD3viL: uh, you might want to install some packages now, maybe. |
| 15:15.41 | greycat | or just enjoy what you have |
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| 15:15.49 | theD3viL | aha.. |
| 15:15.50 | theD3viL | kk |
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| 15:16.05 | mofino | theD3viL, one k is enough |
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| 15:16.13 | jharrisonwk | I have also tried the cd install but then I cannot mount the cd during the mounting part of the installation |
| 15:16.13 | mdeboer | hi. i patched a kernel (2.4.29) with grsecurity, but i didn't get a /proc/sys/kernel/grsecurity ... any idea? |
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| 15:16.27 | greycat | mdeboer: ask a grsecurity or linux channel |
| 15:16.30 | jharrisonwk | so it seems as if whatever I do does not work to get debian sarge on this box |
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| 15:16.37 | PuGz | how do you guys recommend opening word docs when you have tried ALL other things to stop people using them (like swearing at the lecturer and stuff)... i find openoffice doesnt open all things perfect... is abiword better? or something else? |
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| 15:17.00 | jetscreamer | abiword? |
| 15:17.10 | mooded | openoffice opens openoffice documents perfectly.. |
| 15:17.13 | spo0nman | stouset, i meant this, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r0/ its minor |
| 15:17.16 | asg | mdeboer: the sysctl interface for grsecurity is disabled by default since if you enable it, you have to use it to set *all* grsecurity options. |
| 15:17.18 | xoz | PuGz: try antiword :) |
| 15:17.19 | technos | jharrisonwk: Worst case, and probably the path of least resistance at this point, is to use the woody install image and specify sarge when you can add apt sources. |
| 15:17.24 | PuGz | mooded: true! |
| 15:17.30 | mrwill | mdeboer: are you using the right kernel? what does 'uname -a' say? |
| 15:17.32 | jasoncohen | i haven't had problems opening word docs in openoffice. |
| 15:17.35 | PuGz | xoz: ok... interesting |
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| 15:17.41 | greycat | PuGz: bring an old 486 running windows 95 into the lecture hall (ideally with at least one broken piece of plastic sticking out of the case and a 5.25" floppy). Put his word document in it. Try to open it with MS Word 95 or whatever it has. Watch it fail. Stand and glare at him. |
| 15:17.45 | mdeboer | asg: how do i enable it? |
| 15:17.45 | jetscreamer | tables are ugly |
| 15:17.50 | jasoncohen | it works nicely- better than word in many case |
| 15:17.54 | eleusis | hello |
| 15:17.57 | asg | mdeboer: it's a compile time option in the grsecurity patches |
| 15:17.57 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, have you tried ooo 2 beta? |
| 15:18.00 | PuGz | greycat: NICE! |
| 15:18.01 | mdeboer | mrwill: 2.4.29-grsec-vs1.2.10 |
| 15:18.12 | asg | mdeboer: read the quickie installation guide; it covers that issue. |
| 15:18.16 | jharrisonwk | technos: yes but I need a new feature of the sarge installer |
| 15:18.16 | PuGz | jasoncohen: it handles some headers weirdly |
| 15:18.20 | mdeboer | asg: well, i believe i have it set... |
| 15:18.24 | ansong | uh, i'm getting 404s when running update from non-us.debian.org (testing and unstable) and from security.debian.org (testing). my sources.list doesn't reference sarge or sid, just testing and unstable. but there's obviously something i'm doing wrong. any hints? |
| 15:18.26 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: yeah... its better but slower |
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| 15:18.39 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, but still can't open ha? |
| 15:18.43 | jasoncohen | ansong, read the /topic. non-us is gone! |
| 15:18.53 | jasoncohen | ansong, it was also in the sarge release notes |
| 15:18.54 | greycat | Preparing to replace ed 0.2-19 (using .../archives/ed_0.2-20_i386.deb) ... |
| 15:18.55 | ansong | wtf? thanks |
| 15:18.57 | Rickdangerous | kde 3.4.1 is i ne experiemental!!! |
| 15:18.57 | PuGz | what was non-us? |
| 15:18.59 | greycat | wow, vital infrastructure there. |
| 15:19.00 | Rickdangerous | is in* |
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| 15:19.08 | mia | hi |
| 15:19.08 | greycat | PuGz: /msg dpkg non-us |
| 15:19.10 | asg | mdeboer: well, you might check their forums or mailing list. |
| 15:19.10 | directhex|work | heh @ greycat |
| 15:19.16 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 15:19.17 | dpkg | debian-no is probably den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 15:19.17 | jasoncohen | ansong, sorry for the attitude but people have been asking that incessently |
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| 15:19.24 | PuGz | greycat: cheers! |
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| 15:19.30 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: whats experimental? |
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| 15:19.35 | directhex|work | greycat, you're not one of these losers who resorts to vi or emacs or somesuch are you? being able to see what you edit means your brain isn't big enough to visualise it |
| 15:19.37 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: cause yay! |
| 15:19.44 | jasoncohen | ansong, everything from non-us has been ported to the main repositories so no worries |
| 15:19.55 | technos | jharrisonwk: It may have been a recently introduced bug due to come changes to the network driver.. You may have some luck using some of the older automated tftp snapshots for that arch.. Go back a month, mabye two.. |
| 15:19.59 | jetscreamer | did fuckin d-i ever get a rescue image??? |
| 15:19.59 | c0al | I'm new to debian, When you do apt-get upgrade, does that update the whole system with the newest packages from debian? |
| 15:19.59 | Rickdangerous | !tell PuGz about experimental |
| 15:20.02 | shingouz | PuGz: experimental is something you do not want to use. it will bomb on you |
| 15:20.13 | jetscreamer | c0al: no it's updates the list |
| 15:20.16 | jasoncohen | PuGz, stuff goes to experimental when it's known to be unstable or broken...it's used as a testing bed before it goes to unstable |
| 15:20.25 | mdeboer | ah. hmm.. i misread my config.. CONFIG_GRKERNSEC_CHROOT_SYSCTL is set, but no mention of CONFIG_GRKERNSEC_SYSCTL.... |
| 15:20.27 | jetscreamer | c0al: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:20.28 | mdeboer | strange... |
| 15:20.28 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, no it doesn not bonb for some packaes |
| 15:20.29 | c0al | jetscreamer, i thought that was apt-get update |
| 15:20.34 | jetscreamer | c0al: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 15:20.34 | jharrisonwk | technos: ok I will try it |
| 15:20.35 | eleusis | anyone here familiar with usbmount? |
| 15:20.36 | ansong | jasoncohen, no problem. i've had much worse in here. and i bet they have. |
| 15:20.38 | Lee__ | less stable than un |
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| 15:20.50 | jharrisonwk | technos: where can I find older images? |
| 15:20.52 | jetscreamer | c0al: see also apt-get upgrade |
| 15:20.57 | PuGz | cool |
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| 15:20.58 | lewis | can someone point me to a guide/howto for exim4 autoreply/autoresponders please? |
| 15:21.00 | directhex|work | c0al, "apt-get upgrade" upgrades all existing packages on the system with newer versions as listed in your packages database, where the new versions do not alter existing dependancies |
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| 15:21.10 | PuGz | i think i will wait till things are in unstable though |
| 15:21.12 | jasoncohen | ansong, so, you updated from woody? |
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| 15:21.18 | asg | lewis: exim.org (look at the cookbook and spec) |
| 15:21.20 | directhex|work | c0al, update updates the database, making the system aware of new versions |
| 15:21.22 | technos | jharrisonwk: Browse up the ftp.debian.org tree a little, you'll see them. |
| 15:21.25 | asg | lewis: or install the exim4-doc package |
| 15:21.33 | directhex|work | c0al, dist-upgrade is like upgrade, but gets/removes dependancies when they change |
| 15:21.34 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 15:21.34 | dpkg | from memory, debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 15:21.36 | jasoncohen | PuGz, for example, openoffice.org wouldn't even install from experimental and the maintainer knew it was broken. he was waiting until after sarge's release to fix it |
| 15:21.36 | jetscreamer | did d-i get a rescue image, or did they fuck that up |
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| 15:21.40 | c0al | directhex|work, does dist-upgrade upgrade the whole system? |
| 15:21.52 | jasoncohen | c0al, yes |
| 15:21.56 | ansong | no, i've been running testing for awhile. but i'm pinning a few items from unstable |
| 15:21.56 | c0al | ah, okay thanks. |
| 15:21.57 | PuGz | jasoncohen: cool! |
| 15:21.59 | lewis | asg: there is only a mention in the spec, none in the FAQ, and it is hard to digest/process. I was looking for a guide, from someone who has actually done one. |
| 15:22.01 | Rickdangerous | c0al, not things on hold |
| 15:22.09 | incorrect | what do i need to apt-get for a client nfs? |
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| 15:22.32 | jasoncohen | PuGz, 1.1.4 should be going into unstable fairly soon |
| 15:22.33 | technos | jharrisonwk: For example, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-sparc/20041118/images/sparc64/netboot/ has images from a year ago. |
| 15:22.33 | jetscreamer | incorrect: apt-cache search nfs | grep -i client |
| 15:22.40 | PuGz | jasoncohen: cool |
| 15:22.43 | Rickdangerous | incorrect, apt-cache search nfs client |
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| 15:22.55 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: what does on hold mean? |
| 15:23.09 | tarzeau | greycat: do you mind if i setup the old faq url to go directly to the new wiki faq ? |
| 15:23.10 | incorrect | will just nfs-common do because there is no nfs-client package |
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| 15:23.18 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, it's manually et so dpkg an't remove or upgrade that apckage |
| 15:23.25 | hikenboot | how do i tell if a directory is a simlink? |
| 15:23.34 | hikenboot | ls -? |
| 15:23.35 | jetscreamer | Rickdangerous: try that command you typed and watch it bork |
| 15:23.35 | tarzeau | hikenboot: ls -la it? |
| 15:23.42 | jetscreamer | incorrect: correct, nfs-client |
| 15:23.44 | greycat | tarzeau: go ahead |
| 15:23.49 | Rickdangerous | jetscreamer, ok i will |
| 15:23.50 | jetscreamer | err |
| 15:23.51 | Nexus | So I've got a box with a public IP on it. I had a firewall running on it (fwbuilder) previously, but I took it off and it only appears to have 3 ports open (21,22,80). Do I really need a firewall? |
| 15:23.52 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: but dist-upgrade will upgrade it? |
| 15:23.54 | greycat | hikenboot: ls -ld |
| 15:24.00 | jetscreamer | incorrect: nfs-common is client sorry |
| 15:24.01 | hikenboot | thanks got it |
| 15:24.07 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, no |
| 15:24.22 | PuGz | Rickdangerous: so the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade? |
| 15:24.25 | jetscreamer | ok so it doesn't bork |
| 15:24.27 | hikenboot | dpkg generates an error exit status 2 unfortunnately goole turns up nothing |
| 15:24.40 | jetscreamer | or is your box weird |
| 15:24.41 | Rickdangerous | jetscreamer, it returns nfs-common |
| 15:24.48 | Gathond | Nexus: if you want those 3 services to be available probbaly not |
| 15:24.49 | Rickdangerous | PuGz, man apt-get |
| 15:24.51 | jetscreamer | doesn't bork |
| 15:25.02 | Nexus | Gathond, Those are the 3 services that I DO want available. |
| 15:25.04 | Rickdangerous | jetscreamer, ok |
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| 15:25.05 | greycat | hikenboot: find the *first* error. |
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| 15:25.20 | Nexus | I did nmap localhost and it also shows SMTP and MYSQL, but those don't seem to be avaliable on the public ip. |
| 15:25.23 | jetscreamer | Rickdangerous: so we've learned that either method functions |
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| 15:25.39 | greycat | Nexus: /msg dpkg open ports |
| 15:25.43 | Rickdangerous | jetscreamer, sure |
| 15:25.50 | tarzeau | greycat: done |
| 15:25.53 | jasoncohen | Nexus, why wouldn't they be if you have no firewall? |
| 15:25.57 | Gathond | Nexus: if there is nothing listening on any other port (provided you dont want any redirection of incomming traffic, denying specific IP's, limit outgoing traffic in some way) a firewall will probbaly offer very little value |
| 15:26.04 | Bimmerman | how can i get debian to list all my harddrives and partitions? |
| 15:26.04 | jasoncohen | Nexus, mysql has networking disabled by default actually |
| 15:26.49 | Cope | greycat: apt-file update was my friend :-) |
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| 15:26.50 | jetscreamer | !say DID D-I GET A RESCUE IMAGE ON THE CD |
| 15:26.50 | dpkg | DID D-I GET A RESCUE IMAGE ON THE CD |
| 15:26.50 | Nexus | jasoncohen, Yea, I'm not sure why they wouldn't be unless they are configured to listen localhost only, which is what I'd like actually. |
| 15:26.51 | greycat | jetscreamer: stop that. |
| 15:26.51 | Gathond | Nexus: the smtpd and mysqld probably only listens to the loopback interface then |
| 15:26.51 | PuGz | jetscreamer: i dont know |
| 15:26.51 | jetscreamer | it's an easy enough question |
| 15:26.51 | eleusis | is it possible to start an X Windows application from a script? for example, a cron job.. |
| 15:26.53 | greycat | jetscreamer: then answer it |
| 15:27.07 | jetscreamer | i don't want to d/l sarge |
| 15:27.19 | Dr_O | jetscreamer: No... no rescue in sarge d-i |
| 15:27.21 | jetscreamer | but surely there's one person who has |
| 15:27.22 | greycat | eleusis: only if you know what to set the DISPLAY to |
| 15:27.23 | Gathond | Nexus: I think that is the new default for mysqld in debian (listening to loopback interface only) instead of the old behaviour of disabling networking entirely and using only unix socket per default |
| 15:27.26 | jetscreamer | bork |
| 15:27.28 | jasoncohen | Nexus, i know that the mysql server by default will only allow connections on localhost (see /etc/my.cnf bind-address=127.0.0.1) |
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| 15:27.31 | jetscreamer | thanks Dr_O |
| 15:27.36 | Nexus | I need to learn how to use netstat. It shows that 25 and 3306 are only on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 15:27.40 | eleusis | greycat: hmm.. |
| 15:27.43 | jasoncohen | Nexus, that's /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 15:27.46 | Victor_ | what with russian support channel of debian& |
| 15:27.47 | Victor_ | ? |
| 15:27.49 | jetscreamer | that is a design flaw |
| 15:27.52 | Bimmerman | anyone who knows what command to use to display all my harddrives and partitons? |
| 15:27.54 | jetscreamer | !ru |
| 15:27.54 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 15:27.54 | asg | Victor_: #debian-ru |
| 15:27.55 | greycat | Nexus: I think you just did learn. |
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| 15:28.04 | Dr_O | !rescue |
| 15:28.04 | dpkg | i heard rescue is at http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?DebianInstallerFAQ |
| 15:28.10 | eleusis | greycat: i'm trying to start nautilus from a usbmount script (in /etc/usbmount/mount.d/) |
| 15:28.11 | Nexus | greycat, Yes, I did. Though not as well as I'd like. Seems to be a useful tool. |
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| 15:28.26 | Victor_ | i know name of channel but 2 peoples.... it's strange |
| 15:28.28 | jetscreamer | Dr_O: i don't need rescuing, but just wanted to know if they fuxored that |
| 15:28.31 | greycat | eleusis: you'd have to know *who* is logged in to X, and what the -display variable is. |
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| 15:28.40 | eleusis | yep |
| 15:28.45 | greycat | eleusis: (that's even worse than cron, because at least with cron, you'd know WHO you are) |
| 15:28.52 | eleusis | heh |
| 15:28.53 | Dr_O | jetscreamer: should be in daily builds of testing d-i |
| 15:29.04 | jetscreamer | hope so, it's a needed feature |
| 15:29.05 | technos | Victor_: Not too many russian speaking Debian addicts I suppose. |
| 15:29.07 | greycat | jetscreamer: go ask #debian-boot |
| 15:29.08 | samuel | hello all |
| 15:29.08 | zoid | sorry, i'll make my request a little more formal (just read the FAQ) |
| 15:29.20 | eleusis | well, with DISPLAY set, i get this error: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 15:29.21 | jetscreamer | yeah i thought about that greycat |
| 15:29.25 | BorisHanselmann | is there something like a cups logfile or similar? I need to debug my new printer, but somehow I am stuck. |
| 15:29.27 | Victor_ | technos: I don't think so |
| 15:29.38 | greycat | eleusis: as the correct user? with read permissions on ~/.Xauthority? |
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| 15:29.47 | PuGz | considering that login.app is included in debian, i think they should include slim (login manager) |
| 15:29.48 | Nexus | netstat is showing tcp6 for a few things.. Interesting... |
| 15:29.49 | samuel | i see that the uw-imap is installed by default in debian, i used to use dovecot, is uw better? |
| 15:29.51 | PuGz | slim is good |
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| 15:29.56 | asg | samuel: hell no |
| 15:29.58 | PuGz | designed by people who made crux |
| 15:29.59 | tarzeau | PuGz: go package it! |
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| 15:30.06 | PuGz | tarzeau: true |
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| 15:30.35 | eleusis | greycat: what do you mean by 'correct user'? :) |
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| 15:30.36 | Victor_ | what rc startup level manage utils have debian ? |
| 15:30.36 | idimmu | is it possible to use dpkg to list all installed packages by date? |
| 15:30.36 | greycat | eleusis: the one who ran the X server |
| 15:30.36 | tarzeau | idimmu: no |
| 15:30.38 | asg | Victor_: update-rc.d, rcconf, ln |
| 15:30.38 | samuel | asg, i see... so back to dovecot it is, thx |
| 15:30.39 | greycat | eleusis: the one who has the MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE |
| 15:30.40 | idimmu | or atleast the dates when packages were last installed? |
| 15:30.43 | idimmu | o snap |
| 15:30.44 | idimmu | ok |
| 15:30.45 | idimmu | thanks |
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| 15:30.49 | eleusis | hmm |
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| 15:30.55 | Victor_ | asg: thnx |
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| 15:30.56 | asg | samuel: you could probably write a better imapd in bash than what uw-imap provides. |
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| 15:31.02 | hikenboot | got it somthing stupid...it was a directory with packagename.deb...instead of the package itselff |
| 15:31.03 | greycat | hah |
| 15:31.21 | eleusis | well, i'm running the X server.. i'm not sure how to start nautilus as a particular user.. |
| 15:31.25 | eleusis | hmm |
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| 15:31.29 | eleusis | maybe sudo.. |
| 15:31.31 | greycat | eleusis: su -c username '....' |
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| 15:31.33 | stouset | !bts 311109 |
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| 15:31.38 | eleusis | mhm |
| 15:31.46 | greycat | or, su username -c '....' |
| 15:31.52 | eleusis | alright |
| 15:31.53 | greycat | the latter looks more likely to be right |
| 15:32.02 | xoz | !xauthority |
| 15:32.02 | dpkg | i heard xauthority is use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority |
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| 15:32.15 | stouset | Wasn't there a way to query the BTS through dpkg? |
| 15:32.19 | Lucas | anyone an absolute guru at php 4.3.11 compile on debian with oci-instant client option? |
| 15:32.26 | BorisHanselmann | !cupsys |
| 15:32.26 | dpkg | hmm... cupsys is 'apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd' on server and 'cupsys-client cupsys-bsd' on clients. Visit http://127.0.0.1:631/ to configure it. For local, parallel port printers, Device URI is parallel:/dev/lp0 |
| 15:32.29 | xoz | eleusis: if you can use sudo, you need not mess with xauthority for X client to work |
| 15:32.33 | Lucas | cos im geting an error and its make me crazy |
| 15:32.37 | samuel | asg, so dovecot or courier, if i may ask? |
| 15:32.46 | greycat | samuel: good choices. |
| 15:32.48 | eleusis | w00t |
| 15:32.52 | eleusis | su works |
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| 15:33.04 | eleusis | xoz: how do i mess with xauthority? :) |
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| 15:33.13 | greycat | eleusis: best if you don't. |
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| 15:33.19 | eleusis | meh |
| 15:33.26 | K_Dallas | eleusis, follow my lead ;) |
| 15:33.31 | xoz | eleusis: /msg dpkg xauthority |
| 15:33.36 | greycat | 14 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 32 not upgraded. |
| 15:33.36 | greycat | Need to get 2059kB of archives. |
| 15:33.36 | greycat | After unpacking 366kB disk space will be freed. |
| 15:33.40 | greycat | WOOHOO! |
| 15:33.41 | eleusis | heh |
| 15:33.42 | asg | samuel: either is fine |
| 15:33.48 | asg | !congratulate greycat |
| 15:33.49 | dpkg | Woohoo greycat, you did it! |
| 15:34.05 | greycat | asg: it's still not the full dist-upgrade. Just 14 of them cut and pasted from -u dist-upgrade. |
| 15:34.08 | PuGz | greycat: whats that for? |
| 15:34.12 | BorisHanselmann | excuse me... does anyone know how to debug a cups printer? |
| 15:34.19 | asg | greycat: better than it was last time though :) |
| 15:34.20 | greycat | PuGz: a piecemeal by-hand sarge upgrade |
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| 15:34.27 | tarzeau | BorisHanselmann: can you stop repeating, please? |
| 15:34.28 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 15:34.28 | dpkg | somebody said debian-no was den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 15:34.29 | PuGz | ahh |
| 15:34.29 | shingouz | BorisHanselmann: how about telling us what is wrong with it |
| 15:34.29 | greycat | asg: any time packages get SMALLER is a good time. |
| 15:34.30 | Lucas | im trying to compile oci-instant client into php 4.3.11, but im getting an '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lirc' error at make, any ideas? |
| 15:34.47 | greycat | Lucas: apt-cache search -- lib irc -dev |
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| 15:35.08 | BorisHanselmann | shingouz: cups testpages (and all others) do not print and do not appear in the job list. |
| 15:35.23 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: what does the log file for cups say? |
| 15:35.36 | Lucas | trying a compile now greycat |
| 15:35.39 | shingouz | BorisHanselmann: i didnt say i am able to help, i just said you shoudl tell us what is wrong with it |
| 15:35.53 | BorisHanselmann | Gathond: That was my question: Is there a logfile, and if yes, where |
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| 15:35.56 | PuGz | greycat: woah... hang on... what was the --? |
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| 15:36.03 | PuGz | greycat: include all of these? |
| 15:36.04 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: look in /var/log somewhere |
| 15:36.08 | greycat | PuGz: prevent it treating -dev as a switch |
| 15:36.10 | pack | is there a way to find out what package added a group to the system? |
| 15:36.20 | PuGz | greycat: oh... cool! |
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| 15:36.59 | BorisHanselmann | Gathond: Tried this. there are logfiles for the cups http server (doesn't help) and for some strange lpr.0, which is compleatly empty |
| 15:37.06 | Ungy | hmm anyone else only have mono with SID and an i810 with Kernel 2.6.1.11 |
| 15:37.13 | Ungy | mono sound that is |
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| 15:37.30 | Lucas | bugger same error '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lirc' |
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| 15:37.45 | greycat | Lucas: search packages.d.i for libirc.so then |
| 15:37.48 | xoz | pack: what's the name of the group? |
| 15:37.51 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: I would think errors reported by the printing system would also show up there |
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| 15:37.58 | stouset | Isn't there a way to query the BTS through dpkg in #debian? |
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| 15:38.06 | Lucas | greycat: done, net/gaim |
| 15:38.08 | greycat | stouset: not easily |
| 15:38.10 | tarzeau | stouset: please no repeats! |
| 15:38.12 | Lucas | installed, ... same thing |
| 15:38.14 | xoz | Lucas: try auto-apt? |
| 15:38.17 | pack | xoz: staff |
| 15:38.20 | Lucas | auto-apt? |
| 15:38.20 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: is it a PS printer? |
| 15:38.21 | clojster | ahoj |
| 15:38.22 | greycat | Lucas: so you installed libgaim-dev or whatever it's called? |
| 15:38.25 | Lucas | yes |
| 15:38.37 | PuGz | the best thing about debians popularity: it is on almost every mirror... so i get the downloads for free instead of being added to my 20Gb limit a month as i get them from my isp! |
| 15:38.41 | xoz | !auto-apt |
| 15:38.41 | dpkg | auto-apt is, like, very cute. Run a shell under auto-apt and start doing something. If you access a missing file, and auto-apt can install a package that would provide that file, it does. http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/admin/auto-apt.html |
| 15:38.42 | PuGz | oh yeah! |
| 15:38.44 | greycat | gaim-dev - multi-protocol instant messaging client - development files |
| 15:38.47 | paulswm | dpkg: what's really annoying |
| 15:38.47 | dpkg | repeating |
| 15:38.48 | greycat | probably that one. |
| 15:38.53 | Lucas | ok |
| 15:39.01 | PuGz | xoz: woah! |
| 15:39.06 | zumbi | !dpkg fork |
| 15:39.06 | dpkg | spoon! |
| 15:39.11 | Lucas | trying that too |
| 15:39.28 | eleusis | how's this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/Z6DFqD52.html |
| 15:39.29 | eleusis | :P |
| 15:39.39 | zOap | !fork |
| 15:39.40 | dpkg | spoon! |
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| 15:39.41 | PuGz | zumbi: wtf! |
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| 15:39.48 | xoz | apt-file also |
| 15:39.59 | PuGz | dpkg: what's really annoying |
| 15:39.59 | BorisHanselmann | Gathond: Nope. It is an Epson CX3650 ... should be supported with the C62 printer driver, according to linuxprinting.org |
| 15:40.00 | dpkg | repeating |
| 15:40.03 | Lucas | i hate oracle :) |
| 15:40.04 | PuGz | oh... the irony |
| 15:40.10 | Lucas | mySql forever |
| 15:40.19 | Lucas | trying compile now .. |
| 15:40.30 | paulswm | !irritate PuGz |
| 15:40.30 | dpkg | PuGz: hi every1 where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
| 15:40.49 | zumbi | xDDD |
| 15:40.51 | mohadib_ | if i want to take my box out of testing and use the new stable sarge should i just change my sources.list? |
| 15:40.51 | PuGz | paulswm: thats even more annoying! aaaaahhhh |
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| 15:41.02 | paulswm | PuGz: :D |
| 15:41.08 | PuGz | mohadib_: hai, soo desune |
| 15:41.10 | zOap | mohadib_, yes |
| 15:41.15 | mohadib_ | thanks |
| 15:41.16 | Ungy | Lucas I hate oracle too but I am not a huge fan of Mysql but it works |
| 15:41.18 | PuGz | mohadib_: (yes, that is so) |
| 15:41.19 | scar_ | is it wise to apt-get upgrade on a woody box? any concerns about stableness abfterwards? (lol: stableness) |
| 15:41.21 | zinx | dpkg: lolz i here their r debian bittorents |
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| 15:41.27 | greycat | mohadib_: make it say "sarge" or "stable" instead of "testing" |
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| 15:41.33 | Lucas | ungy, oracle is evil though :) |
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| 15:41.37 | Ungy | Lucas and when 5.0 hits it will be where all other databse have been for last 8 yeears |
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| 15:41.38 | mohadib_ | cool , thanks all |
| 15:41.40 | PuGz | i saw revenge of the sith today. it is wicked chicken! |
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| 15:41.49 | theorbtwo | scar_: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 15:41.50 | Lee__ | So the migration of sarge to stable magically fixed my laptop's low-res trackpad. Now it moves smoothly just like the 2.4 kernel. Still haven't figured that one out. |
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| 15:41.54 | greycat | PuGz: no spoilers here, please |
| 15:41.57 | Lucas | f*ckin, same error '/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lirc' |
| 15:42.00 | PuGz | greycat: no probs |
| 15:42.02 | PuGz | i got respect |
| 15:42.03 | paulswm | I use Oracle and postresql and am happy with them both, compared to informix and mysql |
| 15:42.14 | zumbi | Lucas, apt-cache search libirc |
| 15:42.16 | greycat | Lucas: did it actually GIVE YOU a /usr/lib/libirc.so file? |
| 15:42.16 | Ungy | PuGz, wicked chicken? |
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| 15:42.22 | Lucas | zumbi done |
| 15:42.24 | Bimmerman | how do i list all harddrives and partitions on my system? |
| 15:42.27 | PuGz | did you know aniken turns into darth vadar! oh my god! |
| 15:42.27 | greycat | Lucas: if not, stop trying to build. Find that file. (Symlink.0 |
| 15:42.27 | PuGz | jokes |
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| 15:42.34 | zumbi | Lucas, apt-get install libirc |
| 15:42.35 | Lucas | no |
| 15:42.35 | Lucas | /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lirc |
| 15:42.35 | Lucas | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 15:42.36 | Lucas | make: *** [sapi/cli/php] Error 1 |
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| 15:42.38 | PuGz | Ungy: a silly term for good |
| 15:42.38 | tarzeau | Bimmerman: fdisk -l works, sometimes |
| 15:42.39 | paulswm | Although the Oracle execution planner sometimes baffles me in its decisions |
| 15:42.39 | greycat | idiot. |
| 15:42.43 | PuGz | hehe |
| 15:42.45 | tarzeau | Bimmerman: or use sysconf from the ibackup package |
| 15:42.47 | greycat | why the fuck do people compile things when they're this stupid? |
| 15:42.52 | Ungy | PuGz chicken I thought that was bad |
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| 15:42.54 | xoz | Lucas: tried google? |
| 15:42.57 | Lucas | zumbi: no such package |
| 15:43.11 | Ungy | greycat because people tel them it is easy |
| 15:43.13 | PuGz | Ungy: nah.... i dunno, wicked chicken... cool duck... its all stupid |
| 15:43.13 | paulswm | greycat: The Eternal IT Question :) |
| 15:43.17 | PuGz | but means good |
| 15:43.17 | Lucas | google for the last two hours |
| 15:43.24 | Ungy | then forget to describe little things like header files |
| 15:43.24 | greycat | Lucas: FIND libirc.so |
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| 15:43.31 | jop_ | KOSI, i've forgot your name |
| 15:43.36 | greycat | Lucas: DO NOT TYPE 'make' EVER AGAIN UNTIL YOU HAVE ACHIEVED THAT TASK. |
| 15:43.43 | zumbi | Lucas, does it has to be with infrared remote control ? |
| 15:43.48 | xoz | because of stupidity :) |
| 15:43.50 | paulswm | o.O CAPS |
| 15:44.04 | Ungy | PuGz, Never heard any of those terms what locale you in? |
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| 15:44.18 | technos | configure && make && make install sounds so easy in the INSTALL file. |
| 15:44.22 | PuGz | Ungy: i am just in my silly mood |
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| 15:44.41 | zumbi | Lucas, $ apt-cache search lirc ; and try to install the library you need |
| 15:44.45 | PuGz | Ungy: put them in your act, people will catch on and use it too, and then you can call them stupid morons |
| 15:44.48 | PuGz | hehe |
| 15:44.58 | Bimmerman | tarzeau, thanx |
| 15:45.04 | tarzeau | !thanx |
| 15:45.04 | dpkg | thanx is, like, useless. |
| 15:45.05 | jop_ | how can i search for a part of a name? |
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| 15:45.07 | eleusis | plug in usb key and nautilus pops up \o/ |
| 15:45.10 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: you could try sending some data directly to the printer cat somefile > /dev/lp0 or some such, but the printer might not understand that |
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| 15:45.24 | paulswm | Sorry for this, well not really... |
| 15:45.25 | paulswm | !qotd58 |
| 15:45.25 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
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| 15:45.33 | Ungy | PuGz, no thanks I was sayign word back in the 80's and that shit caught on after that thirdbase video and ever since then I have utterly hated myself for it |
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| 15:45.56 | chacho | hey, i was just trying to do a netinst for amd64, and whenever i tried to set up apt for any server, it would say unable to stat package listing |
| 15:46.02 | eleusis | ~fruitsmite me |
| 15:46.03 | apt | ACTION smites eleusis with a pair of lemons |
| 15:46.06 | eleusis | :D |
| 15:46.08 | PuGz | Ungy: hehe... the 80's |
| 15:46.12 | eleusis | ~fruitsmite me |
| 15:46.13 | apt | ACTION smites eleusis with a dozen pears |
| 15:46.15 | pack | chacho #debian-amd64 |
| 15:46.15 | asg | chacho: you might consult #debian-amd64 |
| 15:46.17 | eleusis | mm pears |
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| 15:46.21 | tarzeau | !abuse |
| 15:46.21 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 15:46.23 | chacho | ok cool |
| 15:46.24 | PuGz | chacho: were you on the net? |
| 15:46.28 | SquireCD | Hey guys. I use Debian. I'm having a problem with my sources.list file. I'm using unstable. Today I did apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade and during the update I got a bunch of 404's. I was wondering if it's because of the new stable release. Do I need to change my sources.list to something new now because of the freeze? Thanks |
| 15:46.30 | PuGz | tarzeau: nice |
| 15:46.34 | eleusis | ~fruitsmite tarzeau |
| 15:46.35 | apt | ACTION smites tarzeau with a pair of oranges |
| 15:46.37 | eleusis | :P |
| 15:46.41 | tarzeau | !eat eleusis |
| 15:46.46 | paulswm | greycat deserves a prize for being one of the absolute best zinger-writers. |
| 15:46.46 | eleusis | ahahahah |
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| 15:46.52 | tarzeau | SquireCD: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 15:47.05 | tarzeau | SquireCD: I am so sure your sources.list SUCKS |
| 15:47.05 | PuGz | ~aussiesmite tarzeau |
| 15:47.09 | PuGz | damn |
| 15:47.11 | greycat | !msg |
| 15:47.12 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 15:47.14 | BorisHanselmann | hm, seems I didn't have eps ghostscript installed. Why is this not an dependency of cupsys? |
| 15:47.19 | PuGz | !aussiesmite tarzeau |
| 15:47.20 | Ungy | man mono sound with headphones blows |
| 15:47.20 | dpkg | tarzeau: fucking aye! that's really great! fucking oathe mate |
| 15:47.29 | SquireCD | tarzeau: My sources.list is fine. |
| 15:47.29 | xoz_ | SquireCD: /topic |
| 15:47.33 | tarzeau | SquireCD: show me |
| 15:47.49 | tarzeau | !sid faq |
| 15:47.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:47.50 | SquireCD | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 15:47.50 | SquireCD | deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/ unstable/non-US main contrib non-free |
| 15:47.51 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: it is probably not required as such |
| 15:47.52 | lestest_ | can sarge run on a HP CISS controller? |
| 15:47.55 | SquireCD | tarzeau: that's my sources.list |
| 15:47.58 | tarzeau | SquireCD: BULLSHIT |
| 15:48.04 | tarzeau | SquireCD: YOUR SOURCES.LIST IS WRONG! |
| 15:48.11 | SquireCD | tarzeau: WTF is wrong with it? |
| 15:48.12 | greycat | for one thing, it says "unstable". |
| 15:48.20 | SquireCD | yes it does, and it's always worked |
| 15:48.21 | greycat | for another, it says non-US |
| 15:48.24 | SquireCD | for 3 years it's been fine |
| 15:48.28 | tarzeau | SquireCD: remove non-us, add deb-src, remove non-free, remove contrib! TELNET LINUKS.MINE.NU |
| 15:48.28 | greycat | !break |
| 15:48.28 | dpkg | "This release is currently considered ``unstable''. That means that things *will* break if you run it." (quote from old page http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/), or see ben break, or http://bugs.debian.org/155873 |
| 15:48.34 | tarzeau | SquireCD: now it's bullshit |
| 15:48.34 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: ghostscript would not be required for a PS printer to print .ps files for instance, since that has no need for a software implementation of Postscript |
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| 15:48.44 | SquireCD | tarzeau: i am not removing non-free |
| 15:48.47 | exeel | SquireCD, non-us doesnt exist anymore, just # it out |
| 15:48.51 | tarzeau | SquireCD: YOU WILL! |
| 15:48.58 | flowed | hi |
| 15:49.01 | flowed | sarge!!!! |
| 15:49.02 | tarzeau | SquireCD: or we will remove non-free |
| 15:49.02 | SquireCD | dammit |
| 15:49.03 | xoz | SquireCD: remove non-us |
| 15:49.04 | flowed | :)) |
| 15:49.12 | tarzeau | INFIDEL! |
| 15:49.15 | Bimmerman | tarzeau, sysconf seams to tell me alot of stuff but nothing about my harddrives or partitions? |
| 15:49.15 | Ungy | non-us no longer valid? |
| 15:49.19 | Ronin | tarzeau: too much coffee today? |
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| 15:49.21 | xoz | SquireCD: read the /topic |
| 15:49.21 | asg | Ungy: correct |
| 15:49.26 | tarzeau | Bimmerman: fix it, send me a patch |
| 15:49.29 | stouset | tarzeau: remove non-free and contrib? :-) Why? |
| 15:49.29 | Ungy | ahh ok good to know I go remove that |
| 15:49.32 | tarzeau | Ronin: i don't drink coffee at all |
| 15:49.32 | BorisHanselmann | Gathond: Are threr really this much postscript printers out there today? |
| 15:49.34 | SquireCD | xoz and green_cat: ok, I need to remove non-us, that's fine.. what else? |
| 15:49.37 | PuGz | tarzeau: settle... the man is free to do what he likes, even if it is wrong |
| 15:49.41 | tarzeau | stouset: they are not debian |
| 15:49.46 | Anthro | BorisHanselmann: Only the good ones. |
| 15:49.48 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 15:49.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:49.55 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: many laser printers (at least the HP ones) support Postscript level 3 |
| 15:50.01 | PuGz | paulswm: so do it <*duck*> |
| 15:50.04 | PuGz | *i |
| 15:50.05 | nigh | hello! Is the Centrino processor IA-64 or x86? |
| 15:50.05 | SquireCD | greycat: sid == unstable? |
| 15:50.07 | stouset | tarzeau: No, but useful all the same |
| 15:50.10 | Ungy | taarzeau frankly I think non-free and contrib are essential |
| 15:50.13 | SquireCD | greycat: i want to continue to use unstable |
| 15:50.13 | greycat | !lart SquireCD |
| 15:50.14 | Anthro | nigh: x86 |
| 15:50.21 | tarzeau | stouset: i disagree |
| 15:50.21 | stouset | nigh: There is no such thing as a centrino processor |
| 15:50.23 | nigh | thnx |
| 15:50.29 | PuGz | SquireCD: yes |
| 15:50.31 | flowed | knows anybody whats the codename of the next testing? |
| 15:50.33 | greycat | how can anyone claim to have used unstable for THREE YEARS and not know that? |
| 15:50.33 | tarzeau | Ungy: MORON |
| 15:50.37 | Ungy | tarzeau, look at ti this way you want people compiling shit themselves and coming in here crying abotu how it doesn;t work |
| 15:50.45 | Bimmerman | tarzeau, sorry? |
| 15:50.45 | BorisHanselmann | flowed: What about Etch? |
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| 15:50.48 | Anthro | stouset: Not so. The Centrino-branded chipset includes the Pentium M CPU. |
| 15:50.48 | Gathond | BorisHanselmann: almost no cheap inkjets does however, but that still is not eaally a reason for cupsys to directly depend on gw-esp (is recommends it though) |
| 15:50.50 | PuGz | SquireCD: it is ok to have unstable in your sources.list |
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| 15:50.58 | greycat | PuGz: if you're smart. |
| 15:50.59 | greycat | he's not. |
| 15:51.01 | tarzeau | Bimmerman: fix it, and send me a patch |
| 15:51.01 | PuGz | they are just telling you not to use unstable |
| 15:51.13 | SquireCD | greycat: is he right? is it okay to have unstable in my sources? |
| 15:51.18 | greycat | !sid faq |
| 15:51.18 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:51.18 | PuGz | yes |
| 15:51.21 | Lucas | its fine to |
| 15:51.24 | aixing | anyone use bittorrent on their debian box? |
| 15:51.28 | greycat | !anyone use |
| 15:51.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 15:51.37 | Lee__ | aixing: aptitude install azureus |
| 15:51.38 | SquireCD | ... |
| 15:51.40 | PuGz | i think dpkg is a sass mouth! |
| 15:51.41 | PuGz | hehe |
| 15:51.41 | flowed | aixing: azureus.sf.net is good |
| 15:51.42 | stouset | Anthro: But there isn't a "Centrino" processor, is there? As far as I can tell, it's just a specification saying "hey, the processor and wireless card totally work together!" |
| 15:51.47 | PuGz | !aussiesmite dpkg |
| 15:51.48 | dpkg | dpkg: godamnit mate it's about time i mow the brigalo suckers bloody hell |
| 15:51.51 | PuGz | hehe |
| 15:51.53 | flowed | aixing: its in sarge too |
| 15:51.54 | solemnwarning | !kernal |
| 15:51.54 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 15:51.56 | stouset | Anthro: Which always seemed really silly to me. |
| 15:51.59 | SquireCD | ok... PuGz , you seem to be the only person here who is not telling me to change to sarge |
| 15:52.14 | greycat | doesn't azureus run in a GUI and need java? |
| 15:52.15 | SquireCD | PuGz: I want to continue to use unstable. How do I fix my sources? |
| 15:52.19 | stouset | greycat: Yes. |
| 15:52.23 | aixing | flowed: cool thanx |
| 15:52.23 | Ungy | SquireCD, I use SID |
| 15:52.23 | greycat | then how can it be "good"? |
| 15:52.26 | PuGz | SquireCD: if you want unstable (which i am running too), you can have unstable, contrib and non-free in (if you want) |
| 15:52.27 | stouset | SquireCD: TELNET LINUKS.MINE.NU |
| 15:52.29 | PuGz | thats fine |
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| 15:52.42 | stouset | SquireCD: For what, the third time? |
| 15:52.46 | theorbtwo | Centrino is a chipset, not a processor. |
| 15:52.55 | SquireCD | stouset: have you not been reading this?! |
| 15:52.57 | stouset | theorbtwo: *nod* |
| 15:53.09 | theorbtwo | If you want to use unstable, your sources.list should talk about unstable. |
| 15:53.17 | stouset | SquireCD: I have. All your problems will be fixed if you simply telnet to linuks.mine.nu |
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| 15:53.26 | directhex|work | theorbtwo, strictly, centrino is a branding. the software forms part of the certification |
| 15:53.31 | SquireCD | theorbtwo: it does talk about unstable, they're telling me not to use unstable |
| 15:53.39 | Anthro | stouset: Centrino is a brand that refers to a set of Intel chips, including the Pentium M CPU. If you ask if the Centrino processor (a.k.a. CPU) is x86 or IA64, the answer is x86. It's like asking if your laptop processor is x86 or IA64. The processor in Centrino is x86. |
| 15:53.41 | stouset | SquireCD: Do you want to use unstable? |
| 15:53.42 | greycat | stouset: ugh... it gives me .fi. sources. |
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| 15:53.50 | greycat | stouset: I surely don't want to pull packages from finland. |
| 15:53.54 | SquireCD | stouset: yes |
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| 15:54.00 | SquireCD | what is contrib? |
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| 15:54.02 | tarzeau | greycat: use some sed magic |
| 15:54.06 | tarzeau | SquireCD: it's not debian |
| 15:54.08 | zumbi | what would be next codename after Etch ? |
| 15:54.08 | SquireCD | i have contrib in my sources, what does that do? |
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| 15:54.14 | tarzeau | zumbi: we don't know |
| 15:54.19 | greycat | 11:48 SquireCD> for 3 years it's been fine |
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| 15:54.20 | PuGz | SquireCD: they are telling you not to use unstable because THEY want to use sarge, if you want unstable... then thats fine. i want unstable... i'm not running a heavy server... so its no probs for me |
| 15:54.22 | stouset | Anthro: As I understood it, it would be possible for them to use AMD64 chips inside of a Centrino laptop, in theory |
| 15:54.26 | theorbtwo | zumbi: To worry about in a year or so when Etch gets close to release. |
| 15:54.31 | stouset | greycat: The fi sources are fast =P |
| 15:54.33 | directhex|work | centrino stipulates windows xp or linux 2.6.9, to be called centrino |
| 15:54.38 | PuGz | SquireCD: it includes packages compiled for debian by other people |
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| 15:54.40 | stouset | SquireCD: Software that is free, but depends on things in non-free |
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| 15:54.51 | PuGz | ok... i was wrong |
| 15:54.54 | PuGz | maybe |
| 15:54.56 | tarzeau | stouset: contrib? no it's not free |
| 15:54.58 | PuGz | check it out |
| 15:55.04 | zumbi | tarzeau, are you a developer ? |
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| 15:55.07 | manster | kind of an odd question, but does anyone know of a dell parts supplier, other than dell? |
| 15:55.07 | paulswm | SquireCD: go to www.debian.org and research, it's all there, save a bunch of people retyping it |
| 15:55.11 | tarzeau | zumbi: no! |
| 15:55.14 | SquireCD | Okay... I'm going restate everything here |
| 15:55.22 | asg | manster: cdrw perhaps |
| 15:55.28 | xoz | centrino = pentium M + wireless |
| 15:55.31 | tarzeau | zumbi, are you married ? |
| 15:55.34 | manster | asg: thank you sir |
| 15:55.35 | asg | manster: or is it cdw. One of the two. |
| 15:55.38 | zumbi | noo |
| 15:55.44 | PuGz | zumbi: wanna be? i am single |
| 15:55.45 | PuGz | jokes |
| 15:55.48 | SquireCD | I want non-free. I want contrib. I want unstable. I've had it set up that way for 3 years with the same 2 lines in sources. Now it's broken beacuse of the freeze. what do I change it to? |
| 15:55.49 | stouset | directhex|work: Is there a centrino spec anywhere? |
| 15:55.50 | manster | asg: cdw i believe |
| 15:55.51 | SquireCD | I repeat: |
| 15:55.55 | Anthro | stouset: AFAIK, the Centrino brand is owned by Intel and, therefore, it must be an Intel CPU. |
| 15:56.00 | SquireCD | I WANT NON-FREE, I WANT CONTRIB, I WANT UNSTABLE |
| 15:56.00 | manster | asg: do they deal with parts though? |
| 15:56.01 | stouset | directhex|work: Or a quick-and-dirty rundown? I always thought it was retarded and pointless. |
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| 15:56.07 | stouset | SquireCD: THEN PUT THEM IN |
| 15:56.10 | theorbtwo | SquireCD: Then set it up just like that. |
| 15:56.11 | PuGz | SquireCD: /msg me you sources.list |
| 15:56.17 | asg | manster: bah, just looked. They don't. I thought they did but I am wrong. |
| 15:56.24 | manster | asg: damn |
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| 15:56.29 | greycat | dpkg, flw35 is <reply> <SquireCD> deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib <tarzeau> SquireCD: YOUR SOURCES.LIST IS WRONG! <SquireCD> tarzeau: WTF is wrong with it? <greycat> for one thing, it says "unstable". <SquireCD> yes it does, and it's always worked <SquireCD> for 3 years it's been fine <SquireCD> i have contrib in my sources, what does that do? |
| 15:56.36 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:56.50 | manster | asg: i dont understand how a machine that is only like a year and a half old is discuntinued and the parts for it are no longer in the dell warehouse |
| 15:56.50 | Bimmerman | what is called that makes x look all smudge and nice.... but it seams to take a lot of processor power!? |
| 15:56.52 | exeel | SquireCD, comment out the non-us line ... /msg dpkg non-us for more infor |
| 15:56.53 | paulswm | greycat: flw? |
| 15:56.55 | greycat | dpkg, famous last words =~ s/31|33|34|34|32/31|32|33|34|35/ |
| 15:56.55 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 15:56.59 | shingouz | greycat: flw? flame of the week? |
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| 15:57.03 | shingouz | ah |
| 15:57.03 | asg | manster: ugh, that's horrible. |
| 15:57.15 | technos | manster: What component died on you? |
| 15:57.26 | paulswm | Ah, famous last words, heh |
| 15:57.26 | manster | technos: power supply |
| 15:57.29 | theorbtwo | I've been tracking unstable since it was named woody, with few problems in all that time. |
| 15:57.37 | tarzeau | greycat: is there a url to all flws? |
| 15:57.40 | stouset | theorbtwo: Unstable was never named woody... |
| 15:57.52 | technos | manster: The external supply or the internal inverter? |
| 15:57.56 | greycat | tarzeau: /msg dpkg literal famous last words |
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| 15:58.05 | theorbtwo | Thus, one of my boxes is on unstable, the other is on testing, and it's going to stay that way. I'm confident I can deal with problems that come up. |
| 15:58.06 | tarzeau | i'll trade it with the qotds: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune |
| 15:58.19 | zumbi | anyways, has somebody tried gmailfs and fuse on sid ? i had some trouble making the sources |
| 15:58.24 | manster | technos: internal |
| 15:58.27 | theorbtwo | stouset: It wasn't? |
| 15:58.35 | manster | technos: :( |
| 15:58.41 | stouset | theorbtwo: woody was always named woody |
| 15:58.54 | exeel | SquireCD, you release that isnt a political message, thats what i did about 15 minutes ago :) |
| 15:59.06 | theorbtwo | OTOH, if you can't figure out what should be in your sources.list, then you probably can't deal with whatever may come up, so run testing or stable. |
| 15:59.09 | tarzeau | paulswm: can you dump all flws into a textfile? |
| 15:59.12 | bejoy | Good people I am new to Debian. i have come to know that Debian comes with 14 CDs is there details about which Cd contain what? |
| 15:59.15 | greycat | heh, #126 is classic |
| 15:59.18 | tarzeau | !noob |
| 15:59.18 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 15:59.27 | technos | manster: First shot would be tertiary market resellers. Buy a year old off least from some place like Motor City Computer, Ajantix Systems, etc.. |
| 15:59.30 | Bimmerman | what is called that makes x look all smudge and nice.... but it seams to take a lot of processor power!? |
| 15:59.33 | theorbtwo | bejoy: You shouldn't care, unless you have odd requirements. |
| 15:59.35 | tarzeau | bejoy: sources come with 15 cds |
| 15:59.40 | stouset | bejoy: Use the netinstall if you don't want to download all 14. |
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| 15:59.43 | theorbtwo | Just install, and then pull what you want over the network. |
| 15:59.51 | stouset | bejoy: It'll just download as it needs packages. |
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| 16:00.04 | bejoy | stouset conten? |
| 16:00.05 | Ungy | bejoy burn first Cd and well download the rest from the internet |
| 16:00.10 | manster | technos: those stores, or sites i can order from |
| 16:00.27 | zumbi | bejoy, if you have good bandwidth with netinst its fine to start a instalation |
| 16:01.01 | Co_jomblo | hai ce |
| 16:01.06 | technos | manster: They're bulk recycling companies. They buy used, formerly leased computers and resell them after testing. |
| 16:01.18 | exeel | Bimmerman, you mean transparency? i think you mean X.orgs composite extension |
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| 16:02.15 | bejoy | people i am from Fedora and we used to have 4 CDs. I wonder how come debian sarge has 14 CDs. |
| 16:02.23 | technos | manster: You get them on a good day, they've got 200 off your model with nothing more wrong that a busted screen or cracked case. Ask really nicely, you can probably get five of em for $10 a pop untested out of their garbage bin. |
| 16:02.24 | greycat | !overfiendsphallus |
| 16:02.37 | dpkg | Today will be a day long remembered. Today we launched the massive phallus Debian 2.0, a towering penis of software, larger than any other Linux distribution ever made. We Got the Big Dicks. |
| 16:02.41 | zumbi | bejoy, all this 14 CDs have all the packages and sources |
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| 16:02.44 | paulswm | bejoy: Because it has lots more stuff. |
| 16:02.46 | Ungy | bejoy the entire deb library can be downloaded onto cd |
| 16:02.48 | greycat | zumbi: WRONG. |
| 16:02.49 | stouset | bejoy: Because that contains every piece of software that's a part of Debian. 15,000 packages? |
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| 16:02.58 | greycat | it's 14 CDs of JUST BINARY PACKAGES. Sources are another set. |
| 16:03.11 | tarzeau | !penix |
| 16:03.11 | Ungy | yeah sources is bigger isn;t it? |
| 16:03.19 | theorbtwo | bejoy: Because debian has a lot more software then fedora. Don't worry, you don't need all 14 by a long shot. |
| 16:03.22 | stouset | bejoy: Because with Debian, you will never have to hunt around on Google for random-ass RPMs of things that should have been included in the distribution in the first place |
| 16:03.26 | zumbi | umm, i did not know that, greycat |
| 16:03.29 | PeTeRB | tarzeau: ? |
| 16:03.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, penix is a highly sophisticated eggdrop bot, thought to be the predecessor of SkyNet, or madly in love with NewOS, or a crack whore, or my hero, or a Theo-loving hippy, or wants to have Alan Cox's baby. A sexy bitch. http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg, or 'I don't exist. I live in a world that you cannot even imagine. full of gamp, fast cars, beautiful women and hardware', or a regular extra on Kingswood ... |
| 16:03.34 | asg | paulswm: in the spirit of qotd2for, there is also now flw2for (http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc-flw.fortune) |
| 16:03.35 | bejoy | I love that. |
| 16:03.36 | paulswm | debian si teh winz4r |
| 16:03.38 | tarzeau | PeTeRB: you don't know PENIX? |
| 16:03.52 | zumbi | bejoy, well, anyways, 14 CDs with binaries |
| 16:03.54 | madclicker | i configured a clock sync in webmin for a cron job, where do i find the actual cron file/ |
| 16:03.59 | tarzeau | asg: thanks that was what i was looking for! |
| 16:04.02 | madclicker | ? |
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| 16:04.06 | greycat | madclicker: man crontab |
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| 16:04.15 | technos | bejoy: Be thankful you're only grabbing the Intel set. I have Intel, Sparc, PA-RISC and PPC here. That's 56 CDs should I feel the need. |
| 16:04.17 | fairway | http://penix.mine.nu/images/gamp.jpg |
| 16:04.20 | fairway | doesn't werk |
| 16:04.22 | greycat | theorbtwo: I'm guessing "before july" |
| 16:04.34 | Bimmerman | exeel, no not transperency... its called something else... it makes text all smudge and stuff |
| 16:04.37 | paulswm | asg: Yes, I got it, cute, except that famous last words implies that the death of something follows, maybe wishful thinking :P |
| 16:04.47 | zumbi | why there is not ARM CDs ? |
| 16:04.50 | exeel | madclicker, man crontab |
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| 16:04.58 | madclicker | greycat: not there, the only thing there is .daily .weekly .monthly |
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| 16:05.00 | zumbi | but there are ARM debs |
| 16:05.02 | exeel | madclicker, try /etc/crontabs or something |
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| 16:05.17 | makinux | hi |
| 16:05.18 | sepen | anyone has k21e keyboard from Genius? I have a problem with accents |
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| 16:05.30 | exeel | technos, i dont even have that many cds of porn |
| 16:05.42 | exeel | Bimmerman, can i see a picture? |
| 16:05.44 | sepen | I can't write accents |
| 16:05.46 | asg | paulswm: I'm just enumerating the flw factoids. |
| 16:05.55 | greycat | madclicker: it says SEE ALSO cron(8) |
| 16:06.01 | greycat | !lose madclicker |
| 16:06.01 | dpkg | madclicker: You Lose. |
| 16:06.08 | PeTeRB | Bimmerman: Antialiasing? |
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| 16:06.27 | paulswm | asg: Oh, I see, I just realized what the link was. You be da man, asg! |
| 16:06.34 | lestest | is there a way to bind bind (LOL) on a specific NIC? |
| 16:06.35 | technos | zumbi: There are no ARM machines that actually accept CDs. The old Netwinder, the RiscStations.. That's it.. |
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| 16:06.48 | petemc | lestest: yes, it can bind to interfaces |
| 16:06.51 | Ungy | man I hate haveing to search around google for .deb files |
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| 16:06.53 | Bimmerman | PeTeRB, maybe, it looks something like that... but it is default in X, but it slows down the system like hell |
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| 16:06.55 | lestest | petemc: how? |
| 16:07.03 | stouset | Ungy: You have to search on google for .debs? =P |
| 16:07.12 | bejoy | I wonder why Debian sarge is called 3.1 and not 4.0? |
| 16:07.24 | Ungy | stouset for skype I did |
| 16:07.29 | petemc | lestest: theres an interface option, check the docs |
| 16:07.30 | stouset | bejoy: Because. |
| 16:07.30 | peritus | bejoy: they forgot to change it.. |
| 16:07.32 | Bimmerman | PeTeRB, it makes all the text look smudge... |
| 16:07.35 | stouset | peritus: Um, no... |
| 16:07.47 | lestest | petemc: is it bind only for the queries? |
| 16:07.52 | technos | Bimmerman: Antialiasing? |
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| 16:07.59 | lestest | petemc: I mean the incoming queries |
| 16:08.00 | petemc | lestest: i dont follow |
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| 16:08.05 | Ungy | bejoy why didn;t they call it xp |
| 16:08.19 | lestest | petemc: never mind, thankz anyway ... |
| 16:08.21 | Ungy | bejoy or 2005 |
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| 16:08.42 | Octalthorpe | Is there a program I can use that I can set to monitor a specific file for changes? (I.e., a simple UI to FAM?) |
| 16:08.42 | stouset | What the fuck does XP stand for anyways? |
| 16:08.47 | madclicker | greycat: i checked all the files and man pages. usually webmin appends cron jobs to /etc/crontab, but not this time |
| 16:08.51 | paulswm | eXPerience |
| 16:08.55 | asg | stouset: extra pretty |
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| 16:09.00 | justin | Octalthorpe: tail? |
| 16:09.02 | Ungy | paulswm, you beat me to it |
| 16:09.04 | Octalthorpe | Ex-Paperclip |
| 16:09.06 | Bimmerman | technos, maybe but has something to do with making text look smudge... its not used in windows... |
| 16:09.09 | stouset | Xtremely craPpy? |
| 16:09.15 | asg | Octalthorpe: that's still an optional addon though |
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| 16:09.28 | paulswm | Ungy: I usually lose in the quick-response contests :) |
| 16:09.30 | Gathond | stouset: eXtreme Pointer |
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| 16:09.31 | nigh | hello |
| 16:09.32 | zumbi | technos, so if you want to build debian on Arm how do you do ? |
| 16:09.39 | Octalthorpe | justin : Possible something that would tell me what changed it? |
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| 16:09.58 | technos | Bimmerman: You're thinking of antialiased text.. It softens the edges of fonts fo prettify them.. |
| 16:10.01 | Ungy | paulswm I though tit meant extreme performance until I found out it is Experience |
| 16:10.15 | justin | Octalthorpe: oh, doubt it... fuser/lsof would tell you who has it open though |
| 16:10.27 | Bimmerman | technos, yes im sure its that... but how do i turn it off? |
| 16:10.43 | technos | zumbi: You net install them. Same way you install most of the HPPA and sparc32 machines.. |
| 16:10.50 | Octalthorpe | A couple of the mail spools on our server are developing random \n's at the beginning, which screws shit up, and I don't know what's causing it. |
| 16:10.50 | zOap | Ungy, Performance. *grin* When did Windoes ever perform?:D |
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| 16:11.20 | technos | Bimmerman: Usually it's a pain in the butt to turn on. Are you aure you have it on? |
| 16:11.23 | zumbi | technos, but with d-i ? |
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| 16:11.32 | Ungy | I love all the speed upgrades they say occur in Xp how it starts up so much faster but the funny thign is you ge to the desktop but it's busy still loading while you wait even longer for the rest of the crap to load as oppossed to 2000 |
| 16:11.34 | madclicker | which time sync service is using port 37 on sarge? |
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| 16:11.51 | PuGz | i have heard people complain about debian because it doesnt have a port for i686... i personally think it would make bugger all difference... what do you think? |
| 16:11.52 | exeel | zOap, is throwing a tantrum "a performance" in your part of the world as well? |
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| 16:11.57 | Ungy | zOap well it is faster then 95 |
| 16:11.59 | tarzeau | !flw26 |
| 16:12.00 | Bimmerman | technos, but it was default with debian... it has to be on... becouse text doesent look like this in windows |
| 16:12.00 | dpkg | <greycat> hsn: what the hell did you do? plug in an IDE drive while the system was powered on?!? <hsn> greycat , yes . cant do this ? |
| 16:12.01 | samuel | anyone here know why i may be getting a connection refused error on dovecot? i think ive configured it properly, and no firewall? anything i may be forgetting please? |
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| 16:12.30 | justin | tarzeau: what is a flw ? |
| 16:12.30 | zOap | exeel, yes:) |
| 16:12.35 | nigh | Is the iso net instalation contains newest debian relase? |
| 16:12.39 | zOap | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:12.41 | tarzeau | justin: famous last words |
| 16:12.45 | justin | tarzeau: hah! |
| 16:13.04 | Ungy | zOap well hell it does fly if you use there recomeneded performance hardware |
| 16:13.07 | PuGz | nigh: its a net install... so it downloads it whilst you install it... so yes |
| 16:13.08 | fairway | how to play xwelltris? |
| 16:13.12 | nigh | Does i meant ;) |
| 16:13.18 | asg | fairway: type xwelltris in an xterm |
| 16:13.22 | Ungy | zOap, don't use minimum specs though |
| 16:13.25 | nigh | thnx |
| 16:13.26 | zOap | brrr, enough windoes, gives me the creeps |
| 16:13.29 | rking | xwelltris is fun |
| 16:13.29 | PuGz | np |
| 16:13.33 | jasoncohen | nigh, yes, you can get the net installer for sarge or testing. The second phase install updates packages from the installer so you'll have the newest debian packages |
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| 16:14.11 | Ungy | zOap, I love windows easy to use and if you know what yoru doing very stable and keeps money in my pocket by knowing how to fix things the normal user doesn;t |
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| 16:14.32 | stouset | Ungy: Windows is not easy to use :-P Common misconception. |
| 16:14.40 | stouset | Ungy: People just have lots and lots of practice. |
| 16:14.46 | notty | is java runtime env availbe on apt-get .. or do i have to manual it install for firefox to open java pages ? |
| 16:14.46 | technos | rumpl: Actually, it looks like they have D-i cd images for arm just for the Netwinders with CDROM drives.. |
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| 16:14.54 | asg | notty: /msg dpkg install java |
| 16:14.55 | zOap | Ungy, you are in #debian now.. don't shoot in a house made of glass |
| 16:14.58 | technos | Bimmerman: Sorry, don't know. :( |
| 16:15.06 | Ungy | stouset you kidding me it is really easy to use it's also really easy to screw things up |
| 16:15.20 | PuGz | stouset: that is very true |
| 16:15.26 | zOap | Ungy = Bill Gates? |
| 16:15.32 | PuGz | linux is hard because no one has practiced with it |
| 16:15.33 | Gathond | Ungy: if it was really that easy you would not make money saving prople from their mistakes, as they would make none |
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| 16:15.39 | greycat | linux isn't hard. |
| 16:15.41 | Ungy | zOap I use debian unless I am playing games |
| 16:15.41 | Noid | Ungy: yeah, sure. Double-clicking. Pretty intuitive if you ask me. |
| 16:15.48 | EdibleText | windows is not easy. moving the cursor is easy |
| 16:15.48 | greycat | as long as you aren't configuring a kernel, or using sendmail. |
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| 16:15.49 | PuGz | but i have practiced now and its MUCH easier than windows |
| 16:15.52 | PuGz | greycat: i agree |
| 16:15.53 | stouset | Ungy: If you do any research into human interface design, you'll see that Windows fucks up a lot of things really, really badly |
| 16:15.56 | zOap | ooh, well, I hate windoes |
| 16:15.56 | jasoncohen | Ungy, yeah..so easy to use & break..that's why i'm always installing windows on my gf's laptop after she trashes it with a new virus or by its own crappy performance slowdowns |
| 16:16.03 | asg | greycat: you don't use sendmail, sendmail uses you |
| 16:16.05 | PuGz | greycat: yeah... sendmail is hard |
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| 16:16.09 | PuGz | nice |
| 16:16.11 | Ungy | greycat ok could you help me solve my sound problem? |
| 16:16.14 | EdibleText | !be mta barbie |
| 16:16.21 | Gathond | Ungy: mostly windows is easy for people to use because that is what they have used all their life, personally I find XP hard and frustrating compared to my debian setup |
| 16:16.28 | PuGz | just looks at the size of sendmail books and realise it is hard! |
| 16:16.41 | PuGz | Ungy: turn your speakers on |
| 16:16.43 | paulswm | !start an OS war |
| 16:16.43 | dpkg | Unix is better than Debian! Amiga Rocks! |
| 16:16.44 | PuGz | and listen |
| 16:16.45 | asg | PuGz: the latest bat book is over 1100 pages :/ |
| 16:16.51 | ec | ;p |
| 16:16.55 | PuGz | bat? |
| 16:17.02 | Ungy | Gathond, True Xp is a whole different animal that is why I set it back to 2000 interface |
| 16:17.09 | PuGz | asg: are you batting it right now? |
| 16:17.10 | asg | PuGz: O'Reilly's Sendmail book |
| 16:17.16 | Ungy | PuGz, oh I got sound just mono sound |
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| 16:17.22 | PuGz | oh |
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| 16:17.24 | madclicker | does anyone knows which program does debian-webmin is yousing for time synchronization? |
| 16:17.32 | madclicker | using |
| 16:17.32 | PuGz | Ungy: interesting |
| 16:17.33 | icub3d | I'm pretty new to Debian (not linux though) and want to make sure I'm upgrading to Sarge correctly. Will apt-get upgrade && apt-get upgrade dist all do it? |
| 16:17.50 | Octalthorpe | icub3d : dselect update && apt-get dist-upgrade ought to do it. |
| 16:17.53 | technos | madclicker: Probably rdate. |
| 16:17.55 | PeTeRB | icub3d: From woody? |
| 16:17.55 | paulswm | icub3d: apt-get dist-upgrade, that would be |
| 16:17.57 | PuGz | icub3d: apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:18.01 | Gathond | Ungy: but that also kinda makes my point, easy is in the eye of the beholder, and most people know windows so for them it is easier than something else, that does not mean either product is inherently easier than another |
| 16:18.11 | icub3d | cool, thanks all! :) |
| 16:18.12 | notty | i can't find the package for java.. i have sid and yes .. i have contrib in sources file |
| 16:18.12 | Ungy | PuGz, that is what I am saying would love to figure out why since I upgraded from 2.4.34.X kernal to 2.6.11.1-1 kernal |
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| 16:18.22 | PeTeRB | Gathond: Or prentend to know Windows. |
| 16:18.30 | asg | Ungy: 2.4.34.X? |
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| 16:18.35 | madclicker | technos: nahh, that package is not installed |
| 16:18.37 | scar_ | where is the hdd information stored again?? ... |
| 16:18.40 | Octalthorpe | notty : I don't think Sun Java is in standard Debian repositories. |
| 16:18.41 | Ungy | whatever kernal I started with |
| 16:18.42 | PeTeRB | !kernal |
| 16:18.42 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 16:18.43 | zOap | notty, the Mozilla java? |
| 16:18.46 | Ungy | kernel |
| 16:18.46 | Gathond | PeTeRB: ok, lets say know windows the best then :) |
| 16:18.46 | greycat | scar_: on the hdd |
| 16:18.48 | fvasquez_ | im selling my saturn 93 |
| 16:18.54 | fvasquez_ | 1,000 dlls |
| 16:18.58 | fvasquez_ | ŕuns good |
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| 16:19.12 | paulswm | PeTeRB: You got a hotkey for that factoid? :P |
| 16:19.12 | asg | fvasquez_: ebay.com |
| 16:19.12 | scar_ | greycat, sorry, I noticed it myself, I mean the mountpoints etc |
| 16:19.12 | PeTeRB | paulswm: I read quick. |
| 16:19.16 | paulswm | :D |
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| 16:19.17 | notty | i just want java pages to work in firefox |
| 16:19.41 | greycat | scar_: fstab |
| 16:19.44 | asg | notty: /msg dpkg java-package ; /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 16:19.45 | PuGz | notty: download the jre from java.sun.com or use the free ones people provide |
| 16:19.50 | scar_ | greycat, thats it,thx |
| 16:19.51 | zOap | notty, apt-get install Mozilla-plugin-vlc |
| 16:19.53 | Ungy | notty msg dpkg java-package |
| 16:20.13 | BorisHanselmann | msg dpkg java-package |
| 16:20.19 | greycat | Ugh. Need 29.9MB of space to install gcc and libc6-dev so I can build the new SpamAssassin perl modules :/ |
| 16:20.28 | fvasquez_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.40 | notty | Ungy: did that.. can't find the package............ |
| 16:20.57 | Octalthorpe | fvasquez_ : You mean like for Flash? |
| 16:20.58 | asg | fvasquez_: /msg dpkg flash |
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| 16:20.59 | Ungy | notty download the binary from java.com |
| 16:21.01 | PeTeRB | greycat: Don't have a spare drive or something? |
| 16:21.05 | greycat | rking: heh |
| 16:21.08 | Anthro | fvasquez_: apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree |
| 16:21.10 | zOap | notty, as I said, Mozilla-plugins-vlc |
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| 16:21.13 | PuGz | is vlc any good? i like mplayer but am trying not to use it for obvious nonfree reasons |
| 16:21.15 | greycat | PeTeRB: it'll fit. barely. I'm still in the middle of the hand-upgrade... |
| 16:21.17 | Ungy | then follow the instructions dpkg tells you\ |
| 16:21.19 | paulswm | asg: Thanks for the flw link, that's great. I hope to be duplicating your work in the near future. |
| 16:21.25 | fvasquez_ | Yep |
| 16:21.28 | greycat | I'll probably want to remove them after I'm done though |
| 16:21.29 | PeTeRB | greycat: Heh |
| 16:21.30 | rking | PuGz: i don't find that it can play very much, but it tries |
| 16:21.32 | Noid | PuGz: it's ok, try xine too |
| 16:21.33 | stouset | PuGz: mplayer is a rancid piece of ass |
| 16:21.34 | fvasquez_ | flash |
| 16:21.35 | PuGz | zOap: does mozilla-plugins-vlc include a java thing for mozilla? |
| 16:21.39 | asg | paulswm: if you go to the directory of those files, the two perl filters are there. |
| 16:21.43 | zOap | PuGz, yes |
| 16:21.44 | stouset | PuGz: It's a pity that it's got the widest range of codec support :-( |
| 16:21.44 | Ungy | fvasquez_, I just let firefox install tehm for me |
| 16:21.50 | PuGz | Noid: xine is good but slow to start and ugly |
| 16:21.55 | jasoncohen | supposedly there's a new vulnerability in firefox/mozila. can someone try this out as it's not doing anything on mine. http://secunia.com/multiple_browsers_frame_injection_vulnerability_test/ |
| 16:21.59 | fvasquez_ | i have unbutu distribution |
| 16:21.59 | paulswm | asg: Yes, thanks, much appreciated! |
| 16:22.01 | PuGz | stouset: true! |
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| 16:22.08 | asg | paulswm: :) |
| 16:22.12 | jasoncohen | it's supposed to laod secunia.com in the "trusted" site page but for me it just loads a seperate page |
| 16:22.12 | PuGz | stouset: i like it for that one fact! |
| 16:22.13 | asg | fvasquez_: good, then ask #ubuntu |
| 16:22.14 | paulswm | Aaaargh fvasquez_ said ubuntu |
| 16:22.19 | zOap | fvasquez_, don't sware in the churc |
| 16:22.19 | asg | fvasquez_: or /msg dpkg flash |
| 16:22.28 | Noid | PuGz: vlc is light, afaik |
| 16:22.30 | stouset | PuGz: Try totem, as well. There's a xine and a gstreamer backend. The xine one supports more codecs than does gstreamer, but gstreamer is a better API and will eventually surpass xine |
| 16:22.32 | fvasquez_ | ok tanks |
| 16:22.33 | PeTeRB | paulswm: He didn't. He said unbutu :D |
| 16:22.33 | PuGz | !ubuntu |
| 16:22.33 | dpkg | ubuntu is, like, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879, or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
| 16:22.34 | zOap | !tell jasoncohen about ubuntu |
| 16:22.38 | fvasquez_ | chale que pex |
| 16:22.41 | paulswm | PeTeRB: HAHAHA |
| 16:22.56 | jasoncohen | wtf? i didn't say anything about ubuntu |
| 16:23.02 | PuGz | that is an awesome dpkg thing |
| 16:23.05 | PeTeRB | paulswm: Now to decode the hidden meaning of that. |
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| 16:23.23 | paulswm | PeTeRB: "How do I unbutu by PC?" |
| 16:23.23 | gizmo75 | Ungy: Very easy http://www.moule.org/images/index.php?mode=view&directory=/images&file=ntvsunix.jpg |
| 16:23.25 | greycat | dpkg, ubuntu =~ s/879,/879/ |
| 16:23.25 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
| 16:23.30 | paulswm | my I mean |
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| 16:24.13 | PuGz | i wish xine wasnt soo slow and ugly because it is otherwise good |
| 16:24.32 | stouset | dpkg, ubuntu =~ s/ubuntu is// |
| 16:24.32 | dpkg | stouset: OK |
| 16:24.49 | Eclipser | jasoncohen, works on my firefox |
| 16:24.50 | TolkienLuver | how do i find out the version of my box |
| 16:24.53 | TolkienLuver | in the console |
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| 16:24.58 | greycat | !version |
| 16:24.58 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. |
| 16:24.58 | asg | TolkienLuver: /msg dpkg version |
| 16:25.06 | greycat | MrMinit: that's annoying. |
| 16:25.06 | zumbi | cat /etc/debian_version ? |
| 16:25.12 | paulswm | Yeah, xine is fairly good, and gxine is not a bad frontend |
| 16:25.38 | stouset | Any way to use ^ and $ with s/// in dpkg? |
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| 16:25.48 | Eclipser | jasoncohen, it only works if you're not forcing them to open in new tab though |
| 16:25.49 | greycat | stouset: no |
| 16:25.54 | PuGz | paulswm: i agree gxine is a good frontend... but it is still slow to load the xine |
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| 16:26.08 | jasoncohen | Eclipser, i have tab browser prefs always open a new tab so it doesn't work on mine |
| 16:26.19 | jasoncohen | i even tried manually telling it to open in a new window |
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| 16:26.24 | stouset | paulswm: totem-xine is good, as well |
| 16:26.25 | Eclipser | I haven't figured out how to do that... |
| 16:26.25 | paulswm | PuGz: Sure |
| 16:26.37 | paulswm | stouset: Never tried that |
| 16:26.37 | gianiaz | hi, I'm running debiansid, and I'm looking for a repository for tomcat5, Are these repository good: deb http://apt.leapster.org/tomcat ./ |
| 16:26.37 | gianiaz | deb-src http://apt.leapster.org/tomcat ./ |
| 16:26.57 | jasoncohen | Eclipser, i guess the hack doesn't work for me |
| 16:26.57 | honschu | no /dev/js0 in sarge with udev and loaded usbhid??? How to get it? |
| 16:27.01 | asg | gianiaz: they aren't official so you're one your own if things break. |
| 16:27.07 | jasoncohen | Eclipser, you haven't figured out how to do what yet? |
| 16:27.13 | stouset | honschu: /dev/input/js0 |
| 16:27.17 | asg | gianiaz: better just to download the tarball from apache.org and stuff it in /usr/local. |
| 16:27.22 | PuGz | paulswm: it is exactly the same as totem but uses xine as a backend instead of gstreamer... i think gstreamer sucks |
| 16:27.23 | joloc__ | df shows negative partition sizes in the order of terabytes, why? |
| 16:27.33 | paulswm | PuGz: AH, thanks for info |
| 16:27.34 | PuGz | gstreamer has never worked well for me |
| 16:27.39 | PuGz | np |
| 16:27.40 | gianiaz | asg, thank you |
| 16:27.40 | jasoncohen | Eclipser, do you have Tabbrowser Preferences? |
| 16:27.54 | honschu | stouset: who did this? When I'll link to /etc/js0 will this link be forever or do I have to create it each time udev loads? |
| 16:27.57 | Noid | joloc__: a bug maybe? |
| 16:27.57 | stouset | joloc__: Maybe you owe disk space? |
| 16:28.03 | Eclipser | how to prevent target="_blank" but not some javascript popups from certain sites |
| 16:28.03 | Noid | stouset: hahaha |
| 16:28.05 | zumbi | joloc_, might be an overflow ? |
| 16:28.12 | paulswm | stouset: heh |
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| 16:28.26 | stouset | honschu: it will be overwritten when udev loads |
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| 16:28.42 | joloc__ | zumbi: no. disk is not that big |
| 16:28.45 | stouset | honschu: udev can be configured to create the links, though, but you are encouraged not to use them if possible |
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| 16:28.50 | stouset | Noid: Bah, udev is fine |
| 16:28.51 | jasoncohen | Eclipser, you can download tabbrowser preferences here and set how you want tabs to open. I have mine also set to open a new tab by middle clicking after copying a URL..quite handy |
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| 16:28.59 | jasoncohen | https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?id=158&application=firefox |
| 16:29.00 | honschu | stouset... Can I tell udev not to do, or to set the link? Ah... okay |
| 16:29.00 | paulswm | I've heard of that df thing before, but damned if I can't remember why it was happening |
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| 16:29.06 | honschu | stouset: I'll do ;_) |
| 16:29.11 | Noid | stouset: it's a personal thing, it has done evil things to me |
| 16:29.14 | Eclipser | jasoncohen, I'll check it out, thanks |
| 16:29.16 | cyberfos | hi |
| 16:29.18 | PuGz | supertux is hell fun... nostalgia |
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| 16:29.26 | paulswm | 879 people say hi, one at a time |
| 16:29.27 | stouset | honschu: let me look it up really quick |
| 16:29.43 | zOap | hi |
| 16:29.47 | CoffeeBreak1 | hi |
| 16:29.51 | gianiaz | asg do you know if tomcat can interpretate also php? |
| 16:29.51 | paulswm | o.O |
| 16:29.56 | joloc__ | paulswm: i've heard of a case where negative values refer to disk space reserved for super-user. but in my case, all partitions have huge negative values, makes no sense. |
| 16:30.02 | cyberfos | kann mann hier deutsch reden? |
| 16:30.08 | stouset | honschu: In fact, it's in the udev conf, but commented out |
| 16:30.11 | EdibleText | !de |
| 16:30.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:30.11 | honschu | stouset: what does that mean? "let me look it up..." |
| 16:30.12 | masoft | !de |
| 16:30.21 | asg | gianiaz: no, tomcat will not do php |
| 16:30.23 | honschu | stouset: Ah, I understand |
| 16:30.30 | asg | gianiaz: use apache + libapache-mod-php4 for that |
| 16:30.36 | zOap | !d-no |
| 16:30.36 | dpkg | hmm... d-no is Den norske debian kanalen #debian-no, for skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel for scandinavian users. #debian-no |
| 16:30.44 | cyberfos | ok thx |
| 16:30.45 | stouset | honschu: nano /etc/udev/compat.rules. There's a line in it at the very bottom that says #KERNEL="js[0-9]*", SYMLINK="%k" |
| 16:30.47 | PuGz | or apache2 and libapache2-mod-php4 if you feel lucky |
| 16:30.52 | PuGz | (i use it) |
| 16:30.55 | stouset | honschu: Uncomment, do a /etc/init.d/udev reload |
| 16:31.00 | gianiaz | asg and my apache installation (apt-get) will conflict with tomcat (from source)? |
| 16:31.05 | asg | gianiaz: no |
| 16:31.09 | paulswm | joloc_: I wish I could remember who or why, I'm sorry. |
| 16:31.12 | asg | gianiaz: tomcat doesn't listen on port 80 or 443 by default. |
| 16:31.22 | PeTeRB | OMG. Google suggests me to correct the spelling of 'unbutu' to 'unbuntu' |
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| 16:31.36 | gianiaz | asg bien :) 10x |
| 16:31.37 | PuGz | PeTeRB: nice |
| 16:31.40 | greycat | PeTeRB: haha |
| 16:31.45 | honschu | stouset: Wow, thx for your detailed help. I justed grepped for "js" in /etc/udev when you said. Thx a lot! Very friendly!!! |
| 16:31.45 | stouset | !10x |
| 16:31.45 | dpkg | 10x is probably TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
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| 16:31.53 | CoffeeBreak1 | anyone know what is the closest thing in Linux (preferably Gnome) that provides features like Mac OS Dashboard? I would like to create a simple widget with networking capabilities. |
| 16:32.08 | bob2 | CoffeeBreak1: gdesklets, I'd guess |
| 16:32.09 | gianiaz | stouset, tenX (like thanks) :P |
| 16:32.16 | stouset | honschu: Hahaha. AAAAAA+++++++++++++ DEBIAN GUY WILL DO BUSINESS AGAIN WITH IN FUTURE A+++ |
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| 16:32.25 | stouset | !thx |
| 16:32.25 | dpkg | THX is an audio technology company founded by George Lucas. See http://www.thx.com. If you mean "thanks", please just say so. Thx. |
| 16:32.37 | PuGz | hehe |
| 16:32.52 | honschu | stouset: ? |
| 16:32.58 | doolph | where can i download debian but the last version? |
| 16:33.00 | bob2 | stouset: kthx |
| 16:33.06 | bob2 | doolph: you want woody? |
| 16:33.09 | stouset | honschu: Long story ;) |
| 16:33.14 | doolph | the sarge one |
| 16:33.14 | zOap | doolph, www.debian.org |
| 16:33.16 | honschu | stouset: 'with in future' ok |
| 16:33.30 | paulswm | !flw24 |
| 16:33.30 | dpkg | < busboy> hello, will it causes any problem to delete root account on the system? |
| 16:33.34 | paulswm | Heh |
| 16:33.37 | gianiaz | doolph, get the net-install cd, and then download with apt-get |
| 16:33.38 | doolph | im downloading 31r0 net install |
| 16:33.47 | doolph | that one? |
| 16:33.51 | stouset | Yes. |
| 16:33.57 | doolph | mmm |
| 16:34.03 | doolph | when release that? |
| 16:34.07 | stouset | CoffeeBreak1: Dashboard? |
| 16:34.07 | doolph | i think that i had that before |
| 16:34.09 | zOap | yesterday |
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| 16:34.19 | IDC | i need help please |
| 16:34.32 | greycat | !ask |
| 16:34.34 | IDC | i have a serve running with firewall setup also running sshd |
| 16:34.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask away on channel. If somebody knows, they'll answer :) For best results, be specific, informative, complete, concise and on-topic (sicco)! Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Also don't ask if anyone uses/knows about foo. Please don't be demanding or insulting. Remember, we're all volunteers. Finally, please don't /msg people without permission or demand an answer from one particular person. Thanks! |
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| 16:34.41 | IDC | client -->server -->internetl |
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| 16:34.43 | asg | stouset: OS X desktop widgets that waste cpu time by showing you the weather forecast. |
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| 16:35.06 | paulswm | heh, I just look out the window |
| 16:35.08 | gianiaz | lol asg :) |
| 16:35.10 | IDC | now my friend will ssh in my client to help me figure out a problem,but what do i do to make a 'redirection' ? |
| 16:35.11 | stouset | asg: I have that on my panel =P |
| 16:35.32 | asg | hah |
| 16:35.36 | stouset | asg: And is it really wasted? I swear someone will become fabulously rich one day when they invent a CPU cycle capacitor |
| 16:35.41 | IDC | My friend ssh in ,he will only gets to my gateway server |
| 16:36.03 | greycat | IDC: you want to forward the ssh port to an internal server? |
| 16:36.08 | greycat | IDC: /msg dpkg port forwarding |
| 16:36.12 | paulswm | So you have to forward the port to your client |
| 16:36.29 | IDC | greycat, thanks |
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| 16:38.28 | PeTeRB | paulswm: Would you like to know what I think 'un-butu' could be? |
| 16:38.36 | kingsley | Is there a convenient apt-get command that will install a package from a different distribution and its dependencies? I'm mostly on unstable and would like to install oldstable's "festival" package. |
| 16:38.50 | paulswm | PeTeRB: Of course, this has got to be good :) |
| 16:38.56 | greycat | kingsley: apt-get is SUPPOSED to be able to do that, but it failed for me.... |
| 16:39.03 | joloc | df reporting huge negative disk space... this usually happens if the space reserved for the super-user is filled up. however, not here: use% is correct and varying from 1% to 30%. used=1 available=0 throughout. any more ideas? |
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| 16:39.23 | TolkienLuver | greycat: how do i know whether is my 3.1 (sarge) the official version yet? |
| 16:39.26 | PeTeRB | joloc: New libc6 and old kernel? |
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| 16:39.40 | shizz | could someone tell me how to use "xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin" please? |
| 16:39.41 | Romano | hi everyone |
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| 16:39.48 | green_earz | IDC: here a link that could help full on port forwarding, there a section on what you want to do > http://linuxgazette.net/103/odonovan.html |
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| 16:40.01 | greycat | TolkienLuver: vi /etc/apt/sources.list && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:40.05 | stouset | shizz: rm xfce4-4.2.2-installer.bin; apt-get install xfce? |
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| 16:40.08 | rob_lt | What's going on with the marillat repos now? There is no "sarge repo", so what do we use now... stable? Is stable in marillat the sarge repo? |
| 16:40.10 | IDC | green_earz, great,thanks thats what im looking for |
| 16:40.11 | greycat | s/vi/editor/ |
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| 16:40.19 | TolkienLuver | greycat: ok understood. |
| 16:40.25 | Romano | i'm trying to install debian 3.1 on a system based on a MSI K7N2 Delta2 Platinum motherboard (nforce 2 based), the installer can't load forcedeth driver. any solution ? |
| 16:40.26 | mhale | hi all |
| 16:40.28 | joloc | PeTeRB: yes libc6 (2.3.2) and kernel 2.2.20 |
| 16:40.31 | green_earz | np |
| 16:40.35 | TolkienLuver | thks |
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| 16:40.56 | astronut | BTS is definately being harvested by spammers |
| 16:41.00 | greycat | rob_lt: testing in marillat is probbaly still sarge |
| 16:41.06 | astronut | that's the ONLY place an address i have has EVER been used |
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| 16:41.27 | PuGz | is pine not included because a modified version of it cannot be distributed without the consent of the University of Washington? |
| 16:41.31 | rob_lt | greycat: that's what I figured. I'm just going to leave it commented out for now. |
| 16:41.39 | greycat | PuGz: bingo! |
| 16:41.44 | gpm | hi. i just upgraded to sarge and the new version of mysql is having some trouble starting. i don't see anything in the log files, anyone have a clue? |
| 16:41.46 | mhale | im trying to install sound juicer to rip cds to mp3 on debian sarge. ive followed the directions at http://www.columbia.edu/~jr2075/gstreamer-lame-how-to.html and when i run configure i get the error 'configure: error: no GStreamer found'... does anyone have any suggestions as to how to fix this? |
| 16:41.48 | shizz | stouset, thanks. could you tell me what "rm" does?" |
| 16:41.50 | astronut | it's a shell email, i did mail -s foo bar@bts < baz |
| 16:41.55 | astronut | and now that account is getting spam |
| 16:42.02 | astronut | i only just set it up to be used that way |
| 16:42.07 | rob_lt | Romano: are you using the net install? Maybe try booting with linux26 to see if the 2.6 kernel does any better? |
| 16:42.08 | greycat | shizz: man man |
| 16:42.12 | joloc | PeTeRB: would upgrade to kernel 2.4 solve my problem? |
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| 16:42.15 | PuGz | greycat: damn that stupid disclosure! |
| 16:42.23 | Romano | rob_lt: net install yes |
| 16:42.25 | shizz | greycat, thanks |
| 16:42.28 | PeTeRB | joloc: Probably. |
| 16:42.28 | Romano | i'll try |
| 16:42.30 | greycat | PuGz: mutt > pine |
| 16:42.34 | PuGz | greycat: do you use a text based mail client? |
| 16:42.36 | PuGz | yeah |
| 16:42.41 | greycat | PuGz: I use mutt |
| 16:42.46 | PuGz | but pine is nice for n00b like my parents |
| 16:42.48 | rob_lt | Romano: if you enter linux26 at the first prompt, it will boot a 2.6 series kernel... may that will work better? |
| 16:42.57 | jasoncohen | Romano, strange- i have an an7x-x mobo which is also nforce2 and the LAN driver you speak of loads fine |
| 16:43.00 | rob_lt | s/may/maybe |
| 16:43.07 | greycat | mutt is just as nice if you configure it for them |
| 16:43.12 | jasoncohen | i install with linux26 and i did i have two systems with that mobo |
| 16:43.13 | PuGz | true |
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| 16:43.26 | PuGz | greycat: the good thing about mutt is that it is soo configurable |
| 16:43.40 | smacnay | is 'testing' still being updated? I assume "yes". |
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| 16:43.48 | Romano | linux26 works fine, it found my network card automatically |
| 16:43.49 | a_thing | I can't find a list of what software is on what CDs. |
| 16:43.54 | rob_lt | smacnay: testing will slowly become etch |
| 16:44.02 | Poprocks | woooooooooo! Sarge! |
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| 16:44.14 | smacnay | rob_lt: etch? don't know that one. |
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| 16:44.22 | rob_lt | smacnay: so, if you leave your repos as testing instead of sarge, you will start to get the upgrades that turn your system from sarge into etch |
| 16:44.30 | smacnay | ah |
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| 16:44.37 | stouset | rob_lt: yes, but that's probably not recommended right now |
| 16:44.44 | Romano | thank u rob_lt, first step passed ! :) |
| 16:44.45 | smacnay | rob_lt: the name of the next distro... clever - etch-a-sketch |
| 16:44.50 | xLobeznox | Yesterday I made a dist-upgrade without changing testing with sarge, is posible that now I have etch/testing packages in my system? |
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| 16:44.52 | vortex | hi. i have a problem with "apt-get update" using testing. i get a 404 on the two security lists |
| 16:44.52 | stouset | rob_lt: testing usually breaks pretty soon after a release. |
| 16:44.54 | PeTeRB | paulswm: Based on what I found in urbandictionary and google, I found that 'butu' has something to do with vageeny weeneys, boats and women's skirts in Indonesia, so I assume this guy was talking about Asian porn on boats. |
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| 16:45.05 | rob_lt | stouset: I'm not recommending it, he just asked if "testing is still being updated" ;) |
| 16:45.12 | xLobeznox | vortex: need to change testing with sarge |
| 16:45.19 | stouset | xLobeznox: No, not really. It's very unlikely. |
| 16:45.24 | xLobeznox | stouset: ok |
| 16:45.30 | stouset | It takes a week (I think?) for updates to propagate from unstable into testing. |
| 16:45.32 | PeTeRB | paulswm: Or more precisely, getting rid of it (the un- thing) |
| 16:45.41 | paulswm | PeTeRB: Heh! And your research also indicates that you need to get a life :P (j/k) |
| 16:45.45 | smacnay | xLobeznox: I just moved my sources from testing->sarge and probably have stuff that is newer than sarge. |
| 16:45.46 | vortex | xLobeznox: where/how? |
| 16:45.47 | rob_lt | stouset: I'm going to watch and shoot on that one too |
| 16:45.55 | PeTeRB | paulswm: I'm bored. |
| 16:46.06 | gpm | hi. i just upgraded to sarge and the new version of mysql is having some trouble starting. i don't see anything in the log files, anyone have a clue? |
| 16:46.08 | xLobeznox | vortex: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:46.14 | joloc | PeTeRB: so, i understand that this is an overflow because glibc6 makes syscall which changed from 2.2 to 2.4, and does it the 2.4 way... |
| 16:46.21 | asg | gpm: nothing in /var/log/syslog? |
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| 16:46.33 | paulswm | PeTeRB: Yeah, I guessed! |
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| 16:46.45 | xLobeznox | stouset: so then in some days 'testing' will be frozen till new sid packages will be ported to etch |
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| 16:46.49 | xLobeznox | yes? |
| 16:46.51 | gpm | asg: nope |
| 16:47.01 | asg | gpm: does ps(1) show the process running? |
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| 16:47.17 | gpm | asg: |
| 16:47.19 | PeTeRB | joloc: Don't ask me. I don't know much about libc6 or kernel internals :| |
| 16:47.19 | gpm | asg: no |
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| 16:47.29 | asg | gpm: did you install the mysql-server package? |
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| 16:47.59 | stouset | xLobeznox: Huh? |
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| 16:48.18 | asg | gpm: also, if you moved the database directory location from /var/lib/mysql somewhere else and setup a symlink, verify that the symlink still exists. |
| 16:48.21 | gpm | asg: yes...reinstalling. some new dependencies came up...perhaps this is the problem. |
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| 16:48.43 | stouset | xLobeznox: I'm just saying that Testing was moved to Stable yesterday. It takes a package one week to enter into Testing from Unstable, so it won't be another six days before Testing starts to receive packages again, so I assume. |
| 16:48.48 | Stormy | if i want a debian distro with the latest 2.6 kernel i want _____ distrubution of debian ? |
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| 16:48.55 | asg | Stormy: sarge |
| 16:48.58 | stouset | Stable. |
| 16:49.09 | Stormy | i just got it ant it's useing the 2.4 kernel |
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| 16:49.18 | Stormy | i can't use the 2.4 kernel it doesn't have the drivers i need |
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| 16:49.25 | rob_lt | Stormy: sarge, use the netinstall, and enter "linux26" at the first prompt (without the double quotes) |
| 16:49.26 | asg | Stormy: if 2.6.8.1 with patches doesn't work for you, compile your own 2.6.11.whatever.it.is.today (/msg dpkg kp) |
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| 16:49.33 | gpm | asg: thanks. i just needed to reinstall i guess. |
| 16:49.34 | xLobeznox | stouset: ok |
| 16:49.41 | Stormy | hmmm |
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| 16:49.45 | Stormy | let me try this again |
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| 16:49.47 | xLobeznox | then I am 100% in sarge :) |
| 16:49.49 | Stormy | because my net is only in 2.6 |
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| 16:49.54 | asg | gpm: cool |
| 16:49.56 | ludi | So when does 'etch' come into effect? Can I replace 'sarge' with 'etch' in my sources.list? |
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| 16:50.04 | asg | Stormy: then install sarge with the linux26 boot option. |
| 16:50.05 | stouset | ludi: You don't want to. |
| 16:50.09 | rob_lt | Stormy: just enter "linux26" at the first prompt during the install |
| 16:50.16 | asg | Stormy: /msg dpkg d-i ; /msg dpkg ig |
| 16:50.16 | stouset | ludi: Testing is usually pretty broken soon after a release. |
| 16:50.36 | stouset | ludi: If you're that starved for new packages, just run unstable. |
| 16:50.40 | egg | stouset: ^-^ |
| 16:50.44 | Stormy | asg eat it |
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| 16:50.50 | madclicker | does anyone knows which program does debian-webmin is using for time synchronization? |
| 16:50.59 | green_earz | Stormy: to upgrade to the 2.6 you can use aptitude |
| 16:51.06 | stouset | Stormy: asg was being helpful. |
| 16:51.21 | egg | stouset: debian testing = freebsd testing |
| 16:51.25 | stouset | Stormy: It's a pain in the ass to repeat things over and over. Thus, dpkg factoids. |
| 16:51.38 | Stormy | stouset: then excuse me, anyone saying msg someone generally leads to ill fated things around here |
| 16:51.50 | Stormy | and this debian disc doesn't like linux26 on it |
| 16:52.03 | Octalthorpe | Stormy : dpkg is an infobot. |
| 16:52.06 | stouset | !tell stormy about ig |
| 16:52.09 | stouset | !tell stormy about d-i |
| 16:52.19 | takatumi | stouset: which disc? |
| 16:52.25 | Angelo-_ | when is Xorg going into unstable? |
| 16:52.26 | takatumi | Stormy: ^^ |
| 16:52.28 | egg | !tell me troll |
| 16:52.47 | PuGz | Angelo-_: topic |
| 16:52.50 | Stormy | christ i don't know if this machine can burn off another blank |
| 16:52.52 | nvz | actually dpkg is a blootboy |
| 16:52.53 | egg | !tell me WTF |
| 16:53.00 | scar_ | I'd like to install sarge on a box of mine. I am currently looking around in /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images and thought of creating a single 1.44mb floppy disk which includes all necessary files to set up debian. but I dont know which .img file to take? |
| 16:53.01 | PuGz | Angelo-_: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 16:53.03 | green_earz | Stormy: have you integrity check the cd ? |
| 16:53.04 | nvz | dpkg, what are you? |
| 16:53.04 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 16:53.11 | Octalthorpe | nvz : I meant in general. |
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| 16:53.30 | nvz | Octalthorpe: in general it is more than an info bot |
| 16:53.31 | rob_lt | Man, I can't believe I just heard about zenity... that is so cool :) |
| 16:53.31 | asg | green_earz: the relevant question to ask is whether it got the right disc to begin with. |
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| 16:53.41 | green_earz | ok |
| 16:54.18 | Stormy | green_earz: it boots fine, and installs fine i'm guessin it's an old copy |
| 16:54.30 | Stormy | but with my desktop so dead who knows what will happen |
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| 16:54.53 | takatumi | !d-i me |
| 16:54.54 | dpkg | takatumi, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:55.00 | green_earz | Stormy: have got a dsl connection ? |
| 16:55.16 | takatumi | that needs change. ;-/ |
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| 16:56.10 | Romano | hum now by debian blocks at "Starting MTA:" |
| 16:56.12 | Romano | (first boot) |
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| 16:56.32 | asg | Romano: it's timing out on a dns lookup |
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| 16:56.58 | asg | Romano: if your network won't be up all the time or is misconfigured, dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and choose the minimal dns option. |
| 16:56.59 | Romano | how long do i need to wait ? 'cause it's already 2 minutes :/ |
| 16:57.16 | nvz | Romano: press Ctrl+C |
| 16:57.23 | Romano | i tried |
| 16:57.24 | Romano | :/ |
| 16:57.40 | nvz | works for dhclient.. heh I guess it doesnt work for exim |
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| 16:58.22 | asg | Romano: well, if it doesn't eventually come up (which it should), reboot in single user mode and use update-rc.d to remove it from the init sequence till you can fix it.) |
| 16:58.28 | takatumi | nvz: I remember Ctrl+C working there, maybe mistaken. |
| 16:58.33 | donw | Are there any serious issues when doing the woody -> sarge upgrade, or can I just 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and let it go? |
| 16:58.35 | green_earz | Stormy: to check if the boot cd is ok, let it run up to the network part, of a dummy install. and then pick the option "Go back" to take you to the main menu of the installer, and there is the integrity check option |
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| 16:59.02 | stouset | donw: just let it go, shouldn't be any problems. |
| 16:59.07 | asg | donw: /msg dpkg release notes |
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| 17:00.13 | donw | Thanks! |
| 17:00.22 | omry_ | Hi. I am getting 404 from http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main when I do apt update. |
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| 17:00.34 | Romano | hum my installation doesn't resolve names :/ |
| 17:00.42 | asg | omry_: change testing to sarge |
| 17:00.57 | Romano | it doesn't even ping local network :( |
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| 17:01.07 | omry_ | asg, and if I want let it update to the next testing? |
| 17:01.20 | asg | omry_: testing doesn't get security updates, so remove that line. |
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| 17:01.45 | omry_ | asg, but sarge did (before it was official).. |
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| 17:01.50 | green_earz | Romano: you can use etherconf to config your network setup. |
| 17:01.54 | alan | hi all ! |
| 17:02.01 | asg | omry_: yes for a week or two. Now sarge is released, no testing updates for security. |
| 17:02.02 | csko | after my apt-get dist-upgrade and other things, my sendmail stopped working. i cant send mails with for example the program `mail`. i have checked logs but nothing. can anybody help? :\\\ |
| 17:02.26 | alan | this is my first come here... i need advice, i hope i won't bother you. |
| 17:02.27 | csko | i think there is a program with postfix |
| 17:02.34 | omry_ | asg, I see. thanks. |
| 17:02.38 | asg | omry_: you're welcome |
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| 17:02.57 | Romano | green_earz: ifconfig is ok :/ |
| 17:03.04 | Romano | good ip, good dns', etc ... |
| 17:03.08 | asg | !tell alan about ask |
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| 17:03.17 | alan | i need to install a linux on a pentium 133 with 64 mo max. people say debian + xfce is the best for this, but i naver used anything else than mandrake... |
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| 17:03.22 | green_earz | ok |
| 17:03.24 | annoia | Does anyone know where to go for help with the news server inn? |
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| 17:03.30 | alan | asg: sorry |
| 17:03.39 | asg | alan: that should be fine, /msg dpkg install debian |
| 17:03.50 | J_P | people, what you recommend for file system ? ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 17:03.52 | alan | asg thanks |
| 17:03.52 | asg | alan: no apologies necessary. |
| 17:03.56 | stouset|lunch | ext3 |
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| 17:03.58 | asg | J_P: ext3 |
| 17:04.10 | jasoncohen | J_P, ext3 is probably more stable reliable |
| 17:04.20 | asg | annoia: /usr/share/doc/inn/* is probably a good start, as well as the manpages. |
| 17:04.25 | J_P | asg: and jasoncohen thank you |
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| 17:04.49 | jasoncohen | J_P, it depends what you need it for. on my mythtv system i use XFS because i'm working with massive files ...most over 3 GB and delete time is important |
| 17:04.57 | Romano | my network card doesn't work o_O |
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| 17:05.13 | Cae2 | README.TXT from debian 3.1 is strange... the top of file says: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r0 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD and the bottom of file says: Last Modified: Sat Mar 20 12:30:45 EST 2004 |
| 17:05.14 | Cae2 | :D |
| 17:05.16 | Supaplex | Romano: so it net but not work. ;) |
| 17:05.32 | kingsley_ | What should I do when "dpkg -i <package>" reports "Setting up <package> <newline> Unknown option: install <newline> Usage: <newline> install-sgmlcatalog --remove package"? |
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| 17:05.45 | Romano | Supaplex: the inclusive question is "why it doesn't ?" |
| 17:05.46 | Supaplex | Cae2: we waited to give it greater effect. ;) |
| 17:05.55 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 17:05.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 17:05.57 | afabian | ext3 can be read from a Windows partition. Altogether, ext3 is a pretty conservative choice, and Debian is a pretty conservative distribution. I'm not surprised I haven't seen any other recommendations. Go into #gentoo, ask the same question, get a round of "reiserfs" ;) |
| 17:06.06 | jens | what fs is the fastest on big drives ? (can I use the latest reiserfs?) |
| 17:06.09 | PeTeRB | Romano: Your network card doesn't work and you're on IRC? :/ |
| 17:06.11 | asg | Cae2: they knew it would be 3.1 r0 long before March 20. |
| 17:06.14 | tarzeau | jens: UFS |
| 17:06.14 | dondelelcaro | Cae2: loads of things were taken care of before the release. |
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| 17:06.19 | jmacs | hi, who makes the images for http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ ? |
| 17:06.22 | Romano | PeTeRB: i'm connected from another computer |
| 17:06.28 | dondelelcaro | Cae2: otherwise we wouldn't have been able to release at all. |
| 17:06.31 | kingsley_ | Can "dpkg -i" report details for diagnosing a failed install? |
| 17:06.35 | green_earz | Romano: use modconf to install the net card driver |
| 17:06.35 | asg | jmacs: those are mirrored from the main site. |
| 17:06.49 | Romano | green_earz: but it's installed |
| 17:06.53 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: it does by default. Paste the output from the entire run into #flood or using the paster bot. |
| 17:06.54 | Romano | installation system detected it |
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| 17:07.00 | jasoncohen | afabian, users of gentoo stable aren't conservative? |
| 17:07.06 | Romano | it's loaded, ifconfig reports the good configuration :/ |
| 17:07.17 | tsw | How can I installl apache1.xx on my sarge? |
| 17:07.21 | omry_ | what's the codename for the current testing? |
| 17:07.24 | asg | Romano: check that /etc/network/interfaces is configured correctly |
| 17:07.27 | asg | omry_: etch |
| 17:07.27 | stouset|lunch | afabian: ext3 can't really be read from Windows all that easily. |
| 17:07.30 | dondelelcaro | tsw: apt-get install apache |
| 17:07.32 | Romano | asg: i already did |
| 17:07.32 | asg | tsw: apt-get install apache |
| 17:07.37 | stouset|lunch | afabian: And it certainly can't be written to. |
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| 17:07.42 | tsw | dondelelcaro: it seems to install apache2? |
| 17:07.48 | stouset|lunch | afabian: It's possible in theory, but nobody's ever really done the legwork for it. |
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| 17:07.50 | asg | Romano: are you using dhcp or static? |
| 17:07.51 | kingsley_ | dondelelcaro: OK, the output is going into #flood... |
| 17:07.52 | dondelelcaro | tsw: no, it only installs apache to if you apt-get install apache2 |
| 17:07.54 | Romano | statis |
| 17:07.55 | tsw | or I have read wrong |
| 17:07.56 | Romano | static |
| 17:07.59 | tsw | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 17:07.59 | Romano | i tried with another ip |
| 17:07.59 | dondelelcaro | !tell tsw about search |
| 17:08.02 | PeTeRB | Romano: Check cables? |
| 17:08.07 | asg | Romano: can you ping ip addresses? |
| 17:08.09 | Romano | it works fine under windows :) |
| 17:08.12 | Romano | i can't ping |
| 17:08.32 | kingsley_ | How would one debug the dpkg error reported in #flood? |
| 17:08.46 | jmacs | asg, just wondering when new ones will be made from etch (currently they are sarge)? |
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| 17:08.51 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: looks like festivals postinst script has a bug and is calling install-sgmlcatalog improperly. |
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| 17:09.12 | omry_ | asg, so, esentially, if my apt sources are set to testing, I am now running etch? |
| 17:09.12 | asg | jmacs: probably not for a bit yet but I don't have a date. |
| 17:09.14 | Romano | and since my installation isn't finished yet, modconf or etherconf won't work |
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| 17:09.23 | jasoncohen | so, how did most woody > sarge upgrades go? |
| 17:09.23 | kingsley_ | dondelelcaro: I agree. Do you happen to know where to look for that script? |
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| 17:09.27 | asg | omry_: well, when etch starts getting updates and you dist-upgrade, yes. |
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| 17:09.36 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: add a set +x to the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/festival.postinst |
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| 17:09.42 | dondelelcaro | kingsley_: then rerun the installation. |
| 17:09.49 | jmacs | asg, i figured as much ... i just realized they still have to work on etch (x.org, amd64, ...) |
| 17:10.06 | kingsley_ | dondelelcaro: Ah! You're golden. Thank you. |
| 17:10.06 | omry_ | asg, cool. |
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| 17:10.10 | jens | does any of you know why x.org wasn't included yet? |
| 17:10.17 | jmacs | 0. |
| 17:10.18 | dondelelcaro | jens: /topic |
| 17:10.21 | omry_ | jens /MSG dpkg xorg |
| 17:10.21 | jmacs | mistype |
| 17:10.31 | peritus | are there sare cd covers? :) |
| 17:10.37 | Stormy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.47 | dondelelcaro | peritus: not official ones, but some people are making them |
| 17:10.51 | OBGurl | I upgraded to sarge lastnight... when I reboot I get "LI", has anyone else had an issue with lilo? |
| 17:10.54 | jmacs | jens, i thnk they wanted to focus on getting sarge out the door as stable |
| 17:10.57 | asg | !li |
| 17:10.57 | dpkg | if 'LI' is printed when the system is booted, it means that your drive is probably too large (OR you simply forgot to run 'lilo'). There is a Large-disk-mini-howto. Read it.. Boot the rescue disk, edit lilo.conf and add 'lba32' then try again., or (if drive geometry has changed) try booting from the rescue disk, mounting /, and rerunning lilo. Or you could try grub instead. :) Lithium, or Liechtenstein. |
| 17:10.59 | dondelelcaro | Stormy: you may not. visit debian.org/CD |
| 17:11.03 | jmacs | and know they can work on the new stuff for etch |
| 17:11.12 | peritus | dondelelcaro: do you know about any? |
| 17:11.34 | Romano | asg: any idea ? |
| 17:11.55 | dondelelcaro | peritus: http://lenn-art.de/debian/bilder/2005_cover_sarge_vorne.png FE |
| 17:12.07 | asg | Romano: maybe a duplex mismatch. Check, with mii-tool or ethtool, that your switch/hub duplex matches what your card is indicating. |
| 17:12.39 | peritus | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 17:12.44 | dondelelcaro | peritus: there will probably be a few linked from the cd page once they are made and licensed under an acceptable license. |
| 17:12.44 | jasoncohen | anyone know when the freeze will be lifted on testing? |
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| 17:13.00 | greycat | jasoncohen: uh, yesterday? |
| 17:13.21 | Romano | from the installation the dhcp request fails |
| 17:13.28 | Romano | but my dhcp server works fine |
| 17:13.36 | Romano | so there is a problem very soon |
| 17:13.43 | asg | Romano: you said you were using static ip? Now you are using dhcp? |
| 17:13.56 | greycat | he also said he's using an nforce IIRC |
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| 17:14.02 | green_earz | Stormy: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and if you got a broadband connection go for the net installer cd 110 meg |
| 17:14.21 | jasoncohen | greycat, nope- gaim and xchat still show they're on freeze. the gaim developer said he can't do about it and it's up to the release masters to re-run the testing scripts |
| 17:14.25 | supaman | is the load average in top the same as the man 3 getloadavg? |
| 17:14.28 | Romano | asg: i'm trying to restart the whole installation |
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| 17:14.41 | Raspberry | I can't seem to get X to start as anyone other than root anymore. KDM will start when the machine boots, when I login the screen goes black and it places me back at the KDM login screen. If I stop KDM and perform a 'startx' from the console X will begin to initialize I'll get the 'X' cursor and then it dumps me back at the prompt. any ideas? |
| 17:14.43 | jasoncohen | *the gaim developer said there was nothing he could do about it... |
| 17:14.45 | Romano | asg: hardware detection seems to find the network card, and then tries to configure network via dhcp |
| 17:14.52 | greycat | jasoncohen: oh, you meant "when does the RM wake up and drink his coffee". That I can't answer. |
| 17:14.54 | Romano | it should work 'cause my dhcp server works fine |
| 17:14.54 | asg | Romano: did it configure it the first time? |
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| 17:15.24 | crylyx | is there an editor which supports cyrillic utf-8 encoding? |
| 17:15.24 | Romano | asg: didn't understood ur question |
| 17:15.26 | greycat | Raspberry: check the log file first.. |
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| 17:15.46 | greycat | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 17:15.48 | greycat | /dev/hda1 302556 275774 11160 97% / |
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| 17:15.53 | PeTeRB | !ur |
| 17:15.54 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 17:15.54 | jasoncohen | greycat, so it could be a few days before things start going into unstable & testing again? |
| 17:15.59 | dondelelcaro | crylyx: emacs does, I assume vim does as well. |
| 17:16.08 | PeTeRB | greycat: Yay? |
| 17:16.22 | Raspberry | greycat : sorry, forgot to mention the .xsession-errors and /var/log/XFree86.log both show no errors. |
| 17:16.26 | greycat | PeTeRB: and I think everything's in place that really has to be. Except anonymous FTP. Still haven't figured that one out yet. |
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| 17:16.40 | asg | Romano: you seemed to indicate above that the first time you installed, the network was configured correctly during the install and then you rebooted and it didn't work. Is this the case? |
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| 17:17.45 | Romano | asg: i meant that the network card was installed and configured, not that it was working (pinging, etc) |
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| 17:18.06 | asg | Romano: oh, hmmmm. |
| 17:18.07 | ArcSine | how do i install GNUstep? |
| 17:18.14 | ArcSine | wich package? |
| 17:18.15 | asg | ArcSine: ask tarzeau |
| 17:18.18 | J_P | anyone know what is version of reiserfs in D-I ? |
| 17:18.26 | PeTeRB | greycat: That makes me think the 1,1G / here is big. But well, this is a desktop, not a mail server :) |
| 17:18.28 | drac | J_P: 3.6 |
| 17:18.31 | takatumi | finally tarzeau found a fan. |
| 17:18.48 | J_P | drac: and woody what is version ? |
| 17:18.49 | greycat | PeTeRB: 1.1G for root and /usr and /var on a desktop box is pretty cramped. |
| 17:18.50 | green_earz | Raspberry: just a idear try adding a new user and see if X fire up from kdm, on that one ? |
| 17:18.58 | drac | J_P: woody? there is no reiserfs in woody. |
| 17:19.00 | PeTeRB | greycat: And /home too. |
| 17:19.03 | greycat | PeTeRB: aiee! |
| 17:19.08 | J_P | drac: yes, have!! |
| 17:19.24 | asg | greycat: it was snug on a 40M drive way back when too. |
| 17:19.24 | greycat | PeTeRB: now that's just bad. even my mail server has a separate /home for all the maildirs! |
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| 17:19.33 | jasoncohen | greycat, lol..pretty cramped? i have 5.5 GB for / and i'm pretty cramped |
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| 17:19.53 | egg | hi,J_P |
| 17:19.55 | elirips | hello. now that sarge has been released, unstable moved to sarge? so if i just leave my sources.list pointing to testing, i'll get what is unstable now? |
| 17:20.02 | greycat | Disk /dev/hda: 2000 MB, 2000388096 bytes |
| 17:20.09 | pipeline | J_P: Don't use ReiserFS. |
| 17:20.11 | bob2 | elirips: no, you'll get what is in testing |
| 17:20.12 | elirips | err, sorry, i mean "unstable moved to testing". |
| 17:20.13 | egg | welcome to home ^_^ |
| 17:20.16 | bob2 | elirips: which is the same as stable for now |
| 17:20.16 | J_P | pipeline: why ? |
| 17:20.18 | greycat | 200 M swap, 300 M root, 1 G home. |
| 17:20.29 | caphuso | elirips: no. unstable is still unstable, and you are still using testing |
| 17:20.40 | takatumi | elirips: you are all wrong. |
| 17:20.41 | greycat | no, /home is closer to 1.4 GB. |
| 17:20.46 | J_P | egg hi |
| 17:20.47 | pipeline | J_P: Poor performance, no recovery tools. What happens when the power goes out? reiserfsck is a no-op. |
| 17:20.51 | elirips | takatumi: ah, damn ;( |
| 17:20.52 | egg | hehe |
| 17:21.11 | Raspberry | green_earz: nope, I created a new user, same problem |
| 17:21.12 | Romano | asg: no more idea ? |
| 17:21.13 | egg | where is Roger55? |
| 17:21.16 | jasoncohen | elirips, unstable remains unstable. |
| 17:21.22 | pipeline | J_P: Unless you're planning on having upwards of 65,000\files per directory |
| 17:21.33 | vvviper|a | reiserfs is real handy with backuppc |
| 17:21.38 | asg | Romano: I'm sorry I don't. You might want to ask again and see if anyone else has a clue. |
| 17:21.38 | J_P | pipeline: hehehe not.. |
| 17:21.39 | vvviper|a | it's almost a requirement after a while |
| 17:21.44 | takatumi | elirips: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 17:21.45 | elirips | takatumi: sarge = stable now? so if i would like to stick with sarge, i gotta change sources.list to stable? |
| 17:21.50 | J_P | pipeline: proxy need much files... |
| 17:21.52 | Romano | asg: ok, anyway thanks for ur support :) |
| 17:21.56 | Romano | have a good day |
| 17:22.00 | asg | Romano: good luck, you too. |
| 17:22.00 | greycat | elirips: sarge or stable, yes. not testing. |
| 17:22.05 | takatumi | elirips: that is if you want stable. |
| 17:22.10 | pipeline | J_P: Yeah, but with a proxy, you don't even care about keeping the files. If you lose all your data, so what, reformat. |
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| 17:22.47 | PeTeRB | greycat: FYI, my /home is 125MB right now. |
| 17:22.50 | elirips | takatumi: okay, thanks. so i got to get used to the name 'etch' from now on, hope it wont take me too long :P |
| 17:22.58 | greycat | PeTeRB: that's utterly insane. |
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| 17:23.10 | J_P | pipeline: but can trunk/problem in proxy ? |
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| 17:23.18 | takatumi | elirips: you don't need to remember names. stable, testing, unstable. |
| 17:23.21 | green_earz | Raspberry: i have a simuarl problem a while ago and i restall kdm. but --purge it on the remove . |
| 17:23.22 | pipeline | J_P: I have know idea what you're talking about. |
| 17:24.09 | green_earz | Raspberry: so i removed kdm with a --purge and restalled it |
| 17:24.14 | Raspberry | green_earz: I tried XDM and I still have the same problem |
| 17:24.21 | J_P | pipeline: you see this ? : http://www.namesys.com/v4/v4.html |
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| 17:25.11 | chaps0063 | ipw2200 or ndiswrapper for an Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG? |
| 17:25.15 | Raspberry | Anybody know how to resolve _FontTransOpen: Unable to find transport for localhost |
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| 17:25.22 | pipeline | J_P: The benchmarks test obscure corner cases. "Dancing trees" is a made-up term for a data structure that every college freshman learns. In short, Namesys.com is full of bullshit. |
| 17:25.28 | bob2 | chaps0063: ipw2200 |
| 17:25.34 | greycat | chaps0063: left hand or right hand to be chopped off? |
| 17:25.39 | bob2 | ndiswrapper is a terrible hack to be avoided if at all possible |
| 17:25.43 | chaps0063 | greycat, why? |
| 17:25.44 | pipeline | J_P: Keep in mind that Hans used to claim that ReiserFS failures were caused by ReiserFS using parts of the processor that ext3 didn't. |
| 17:25.45 | bob2 | Raspberry: are you using XFS? |
| 17:25.47 | greycat | so is Intel wireless hardware. |
| 17:25.54 | Raspberry | bob2 yes |
| 17:26.00 | OBGurl | I upgraded to sarge lastnight... when I reboot I get "LI", has anyone else had an issue with lilo? |
| 17:26.06 | bob2 | Raspberry: are you sure you need to? |
| 17:26.09 | green_earz | Raspberry: are the both xdm and kdm installed if so try removing one and it may help ?? hope so |
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| 17:26.19 | bob2 | greycat: meh, modern drivers are pretty good |
| 17:26.22 | Raspberry | bob2 I've tried bouncing it with /etc/init.d/xfs restart |
| 17:26.27 | J_P | pipeline: ok, i go use ext3 on servers :-) |
| 17:26.30 | bob2 | it did use to suck, with hardware resets every 10 seconds |
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| 17:26.44 | J_P | pipeline: for proxy too!! |
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| 17:27.05 | bob2 | Raspberry: if you're not sharing fonts over the network, you can just disable it entirely |
| 17:27.19 | pipeline | J_P: Don't forget options like noatime |
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| 17:27.33 | PeTeRB | greycat: Bah. You made me want to free some space :| |
| 17:27.48 | Raspberry | bob2: k, I'll give that a try |
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| 17:27.58 | jcorgan | several of the testing and unstable apt-get URLs are 404ing |
| 17:28.00 | saapas | should an upgrade from woody to sarge be a safe bet, so that nothing breaks down? is there any way I could check if there might be problems? |
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| 17:28.04 | J_P | pipeline: where I change this option ? |
| 17:28.04 | chaps0063 | what is the best way to upgrade to kernel 2.6? |
| 17:28.10 | flowed | gna |
| 17:28.12 | greycat | but not a Debian kernel-image; they wouldn't *fit* |
| 17:28.13 | bob2 | jcorgan: for example? |
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| 17:28.20 | flowed | my damn audigy 2 24bit |
| 17:28.23 | jcorgan | ! |
| 17:28.23 | greycat | chaps0063: run sarge, apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 17:28.31 | flowed | no input options in all mixers |
| 17:28.48 | J_P | pipeline: what do option "noatime" ? |
| 17:28.48 | Chewie[] | Is anyone here familiar with Tcsh's quoting? |
| 17:28.55 | Saist | em... I hope nobody minds me asking this question, but is there a timeframe for x.org to be packaged now that Sarge is complete? |
| 17:28.59 | Raspberry | bob2: that doesn't explain why I could start X as root and noone else |
| 17:29.03 | Chewie[] | I'm having some major troubles caused in all liklyhood by a simple mistake. |
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| 17:29.07 | chaps0063 | greycat, ok, thanks. i am running sarge right now, i was just wondering how to get 2.6 but that is downloading it, so thanks. |
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| 17:29.20 | Octalthorpe | Saist : I would actually enjoy knowing the answer to that, as well. |
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| 17:29.39 | jcorgan | Failed to fetch http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US/dists/unstable/non-US/main/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 17:29.54 | pipeline | J_P: It doesn't update the "last accesssed" time on files. It's something you would want on a proxy or something else in which you're constantly making small reads. |
| 17:29.57 | PeTeRB | !topicbadger jcorgan |
| 17:29.59 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that jcorgan didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 17:30.03 | Raspberry | bob2: I'm still not getting any errors in my XFree86.log file |
| 17:30.15 | Chewie[] | lol. |
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| 17:30.18 | bob2 | Raspberry: ok |
| 17:30.36 | gass | jcorgan: non-us merged with main |
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| 17:30.57 | J_P | pipeline: this option is when i am formating or in fstab ? |
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| 17:31.05 | AigleDor | do you have some info about debian3.1r0a ? |
| 17:31.05 | leonel | now that sarge is out and kicking ... any eta to get gnome 2.10 in sid ? and a gnome 2.10 backport for sarge ? |
| 17:31.14 | pipeline | J_P: It's a mount option |
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| 17:31.27 | jasoncohen | how do i check to see if there are unstable packages on my sarge system? |
| 17:31.41 | J_P | pipeline: in fstab right ? |
| 17:31.58 | jcorgan | so can I just delete any non-us lines in my apt sources? |
| 17:32.09 | green_earz | saapas: http://www.nl.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/release-notes/index |
| 17:32.10 | NOthsouth | heelo |
| 17:32.38 | NOthsouth | Can someone please tell me some good tool for SQL ? |
| 17:32.39 | pipeline | J_P: Yeah, sure |
| 17:32.55 | greycat | NOthsouth: a DBA employee |
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| 17:32.56 | EdibleText | NOthsouth, hammer |
| 17:33.11 | tarzeau | takatumi: who? /me on the bus |
| 17:33.13 | NOthsouth | :D |
| 17:33.37 | kingsley_ | What's a good way to determin the version of packages on a backup disk, without running them. Is there a status file with package version info? |
| 17:33.52 | rob_lt | NOthsouth: like phpmyadmin? |
| 17:33.57 | greycat | how did you back them up? |
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| 17:34.05 | NOthsouth | hum no like psql |
| 17:34.06 | PeTeRB | kingsley_: How does one run packages? |
| 17:34.10 | NOthsouth | pl sql |
| 17:34.11 | takatumi | tarzeau: lastlog ArcSine |
| 17:34.21 | NOthsouth | i need som tool for oracle sql |
| 17:34.26 | Raspberry | bob2: if I run 'X -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp' from the console X will start but it won't load the WM |
| 17:34.31 | greycat | !pal NOthsouth |
| 17:34.39 | ArcSine | takatumi: "tarzeau | i'll back in 50 minutes" |
| 17:34.43 | bob2 | Raspberry: well, of course, you need to tell it to ru a WM. |
| 17:34.56 | NOthsouth | ? |
| 17:34.56 | bob2 | Raspberry: startx /usr/bin/twm -- -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp |
| 17:34.57 | greycat | Raspberry: what's in your .xsession file? |
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| 17:35.08 | NOthsouth | !pal |
| 17:35.08 | dpkg | pal is, like, a video format where NTSC isn't used |
| 17:35.15 | EdibleText | heh |
| 17:35.17 | sean_micken | is there no security updates for 'testing' ? |
| 17:35.22 | bob2 | sean_micken: correct |
| 17:35.30 | bob2 | sean_micken: testing is currently identical to stable, tho |
| 17:35.36 | sean_micken | bob2: but i still want to run a 'testing' system... can i just put sarge for that one source? |
| 17:35.45 | kingsley_ | /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 17:35.47 | bob2 | sean_micken: if you use testing, you get no security updates |
| 17:35.55 | bob2 | sean_micken: you WILL need to track this for yourself |
| 17:36.19 | sean_micken | bob2: well, before sarge was released it worked fine. |
| 17:36.29 | afabian | Is dselect in any way deprecated? I mean, ... it is kind of annoying and counter-intuitive, but those things don't matter so much once you've already learned it anyway.. heh. |
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| 17:36.46 | bob2 | sean_micken: yes, testing had security support in the final 2 months of it's 30 month release cycle |
| 17:36.53 | afabian | !dselect |
| 17:36.54 | dpkg | dselect is, like, a wonderful UI for package management. or really more powerful than apt-get or the only thing that provides FULL data when making decisions on whether to install a package. most people should not hate dselect but some seem to have been told to. just read the help screens, or <Ozzie> is there a dselect howto? - Yes there is: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/dselect-beginner Also ask me about aptitude. |
| 17:36.56 | De_Mon | wohoo sarge is out |
| 17:36.57 | De_Mon | ^_^ |
| 17:37.07 | bob2 | sean_micken: etch will presumably have the same, in n years |
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| 17:37.27 | sean_micken | bob2: okay.. how do i track them myself then? |
| 17:37.28 | Raspberry | greycat I deleted my ~/.xsession file |
| 17:37.35 | Raspberry | greycat I deleted my ~/.xsession-errors file |
| 17:37.38 | bob2 | sean_micken: with difficulty |
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| 17:37.57 | sean_micken | bob2: :P -- how? |
| 17:37.59 | spiral | hello |
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| 17:38.16 | Raspberry | greycat if I create a new user using adduser and try to run X logged in as the new user, it also fails to start |
| 17:38.20 | bob2 | sean_micken: there's no actual foolproof solution |
| 17:38.21 | Ungy | !topicbadger De_Mon |
| 17:38.22 | gpm | hi. i just set up a share in /etc/exports. on the client machine, they have no trouble mounting the share, but if they try to cd to the mountpoint, they get permission denied (but they can cd to the mountpoint no problem when the share isn't mounted)....any clues? |
| 17:38.22 | dpkg | /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *READ IT*READ IT* /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic /topic *a shaaame it's a shaaame that De_Mon didn't read the* /topic /topic /topic /topic... |
| 17:38.33 | J_P | pipeline: you some time have used reiserfs ? |
| 17:38.33 | greycat | Raspberry: what error is there in .xsession-errors after that? |
| 17:38.42 | Octalthorpe | gpm: They don't have permissions on the server? |
| 17:38.45 | bob2 | sean_micken: being on the debian-security-announce list is a good start, so you'll get security alerts for things in stable, and you can manually check if it affects testing |
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| 17:38.52 | Raspberry | greycat : .xsession-errors is blank, it is created, but empty |
| 17:38.56 | greycat | Raspberry: what does /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager point to? Or x-session-manager if that exists. |
| 17:39.00 | bob2 | sean_micken: but some security fixes will only ever go to unstable, and may not be clearly marked |
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| 17:39.08 | De_Mon | but I DID read the topic! it's what imspired me to make the comment |
| 17:39.20 | gpm | Octalthorpe: *(ro,insecure,async) ...this is the options for the share in /etc/exports....what could be causing the problem? |
| 17:39.21 | De_Mon | I'm a completely different form of evilness |
| 17:39.22 | sean_micken | bob2: ugh... i want to install xfce4 from the os-works.com repo, but that's "testing" and wouldn't i need the main sources from debian to be "testing" in order for everything to agree? |
| 17:39.24 | pipeline | J_P: Yeah, once, but that was a long time ago. It has improved since I used it. (It destroyed more than half the filesystem one day, out of the blue. What a pisser.) |
| 17:39.26 | bob2 | sean_micken: e.g. perl in testing had an open security issue for 6 months or so, because perl was stuck in unstable by glibc bugs |
| 17:39.38 | bob2 | sean_micken: dude, testing was sarge for years |
| 17:39.39 | Octalthorpe | gpm: NFS sends permissions along with it. The only odd thing it does (by default) is map root to 'nobody'. |
| 17:39.41 | De_Mon | EdibleText whats a GNU look like? |
| 17:39.48 | bob2 | sean_micken: it will Just Work on sarge ( = stable) right now |
| 17:39.49 | sean_micken | bob2: i know, but i don't want it to break later. |
| 17:39.58 | greycat | De_Mon: you know what a UNIX looks like? well, a GNU looks unlike that. |
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| 17:40.00 | Octalthorpe | gpm: So if the normal users don't have read perms on the files and execute permissions on the directories, they won't be able to access and enter, respectively. |
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| 17:40.06 | bob2 | sean_micken: what's wrong with the xfce4 packages in debian? |
| 17:40.10 | Raspberry | greycat: x-window-manager points to metacity and x-session-manager points to gnome-session |
| 17:40.18 | sean_micken | bob2: way too old. |
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| 17:40.24 | De_Mon | greycat no feathers, got it |
| 17:40.26 | EdibleText | De_Mon, like the universe in a wildflower |
| 17:40.31 | greycat | Raspberry: did it work if you tried "startx twm" as bob suggested? |
| 17:40.33 | HansZ | i'd like to install kde, however i can't find any package for it.. anyone knows what it's named like? |
| 17:40.45 | Octalthorpe | Raspberry : No, those are metapackages. |
| 17:40.45 | gpm | Octalthorpe: so...sorry, is there something i should change in exports to change this? |
| 17:40.48 | Raspberry | greycat I'll try that now |
| 17:40.55 | Octalthorpe | Raspberry : metacity provides x-window-manager, and gnome-session provides x-session-manager |
| 17:40.58 | De_Mon | EdibleText I saw something similar in men in black I think.. cool! |
| 17:40.59 | greycat | HansZ: it's probably named like "kde" |
| 17:41.04 | EdibleText | heh |
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| 17:41.12 | HansZ | greycat: apt-cache search kde gives nothing.. |
| 17:41.18 | dondelelcaro | De_Mon: http://www.panoramahunting.com.na/Images/weissschwanz%20gnu%201.jpg |
| 17:41.20 | HansZ | nothing usefull :) |
| 17:41.20 | greycat | HansZ: apt-setup; apt-get update |
| 17:41.24 | gpm | Octalthorpe: nevermind |
| 17:41.35 | Ungy | HansZ, apt-get install kde |
| 17:41.36 | gpm | Octalthorpe: i need to chmod the share on the server box, right? |
| 17:41.47 | HansZ | Ok ok, installing kde :) |
| 17:41.49 | Octalthorpe | gpm : chmod -R a+rX <directory> on the server would let people access stuff. But if you don't want anybody on the server accessing files, you'll have to figure out something else. |
| 17:42.00 | gpm | Octalthorpe: thanks |
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| 17:43.11 | Raspberry | greycat nope, the manual startx /usr/bin/twm -- -dpi 100 -nolisten tcp fails too |
| 17:43.12 | De_Mon | Ooo yeah, i remember gnu's now |
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| 17:43.26 | flowed | knows anyone why i havent input things in my mixer with my audigy2 24 bit value? |
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| 17:43.31 | greycat | Raspberry: with what error? |
| 17:43.50 | Octalthorpe | flowed : 'input things'? |
| 17:43.53 | PeTeRB | flowed: You should know that. |
| 17:44.01 | flowed | yes ... capture mic, this things |
| 17:44.06 | flowed | linein |
| 17:44.07 | flowed | ... |
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| 17:44.25 | flowed | only output and 4 switches |
| 17:44.28 | Octalthorpe | Are you using ALSA or OSS? |
| 17:44.28 | PeTeRB | flowed: What's your native language? |
| 17:44.32 | madclicker | does anyone knows which program does debian-webmin is using for time synchronization? |
| 17:44.33 | flowed | nothing in input |
| 17:44.37 | flowed | german |
| 17:44.42 | Raspberry | greycat -- nvrmind that works.. I had /usr/bin/twm and it's /usr/X11R6/bin/twm |
| 17:44.43 | PeTeRB | !de |
| 17:44.43 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 17:44.48 | dondelelcaro | !tell madclicker about set the time |
| 17:45.01 | greycat | Raspberry: so metacity is hosed. |
| 17:45.07 | greycat | Raspberry: or at least, gnome is. |
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| 17:45.22 | greycat | (I think -session- has priority over -window-) |
| 17:45.25 | bjr223 | ok, i compiled the ipw2200 drivers, now i install them? |
| 17:45.26 | annoia | I'm running an inn news server, which after an upgrade stopped recieving new posts. The old ones are still there, and new ones come in, and are placed in /var/log/news/incoming/ but after a while they are deleted... Help? |
| 17:45.31 | greycat | !ipw2200 |
| 17:45.31 | dpkg | i heard ipw2200 is a wireless driver for certain intel wireless cards: 'apt-get install ipw2200-source', build with module-assistant. Download and install the firmware as you get told during install. For help try #ipw2100 or http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net. |
| 17:45.31 | Raspberry | greycat: it should be starting kde |
| 17:45.52 | greycat | Raspberry: based on what fucked-up notion? |
| 17:45.52 | bjr223 | greycat, thanks. |
| 17:46.04 | greycat | Raspberry: nothing in your output to the channel indicates that it's configured to do so |
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| 17:47.51 | J_P | greycat: you use ext3 or reiserfs ? |
| 17:48.07 | Raspberry | greycat: hmm, how can I reconfigure X to default to KDE |
| 17:48.16 | greycat | Raspberry: update-alternatives |
| 17:48.28 | greycat | !wm |
| 17:48.28 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
| 17:48.39 | bjr223 | what do i use to unpack a .tgz file? |
| 17:48.43 | greycat | !tar |
| 17:48.43 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 17:49.11 | PeTeRB | bar extraction? |
| 17:49.33 | EdibleText | PeTeRB, sometimes it happens |
| 17:49.38 | Raspberry | greycat: thanks :) Trying it now |
| 17:49.45 | ecobit | i want to file a bug report because debian is not installing on my hardware |
| 17:49.51 | PeTeRB | EdibleText: When security throws you out or something? |
| 17:49.51 | ecobit | do i file it with debian-installer? |
| 17:50.11 | Empty | ecobit, how is it "not installing on your hardware" |
| 17:50.19 | EdibleText | PeTeRB, yeah or by the forceful suggestion of good mates |
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| 17:50.51 | MoonPrincess | Can you move from reiser FS to ext3 without major issues? |
| 17:50.51 | ecobit | Empy: after install, boot fails |
| 17:50.55 | Raspberry | greycat: nope, it still boots me back to the kdm login after a successful login |
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| 17:51.10 | Empty | ecobit, fails how? |
| 17:51.16 | helios | can I tell my d-i not to load certain modules during boot? I have problems with firewire drivers on a HP/Compaq NX9030...d-i just locks hard while rebooting in post-installation |
| 17:51.30 | Octalthorpe | MoonPrincess : If you have enough free space to copy everything over, perhaps. |
| 17:51.43 | Empty | ecobit, are you sure a) your partition is bootable b) your BIOS is set up right c) hour HDD is good? |
| 17:51.44 | ecobit | Empty: "Loading Linux.." then it just freezes. I have tested with 2.4 and 2.6 kernel image |
| 17:51.48 | afabian | MoonPrincess, as far as I know, ext3 supports more features... ACL, for instance. Can't think of any problems that should occur. |
| 17:52.06 | bjr223 | ok, got the firmware installed in the correct dir, how do i load a driver that was built and installed by module assitant? |
| 17:52.08 | Empty | ecobit, Did you make your /boot (or / if you have no /boot) ext3? |
| 17:52.09 | afabian | Or does reiser have ACL? never use it. |
| 17:52.14 | greycat | Raspberry: I give up on you. |
| 17:52.17 | greycat | !nodm |
| 17:52.17 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 17:52.26 | ecobit | Empty: the installer created the filesystem. there is only / and it is xfs |
| 17:52.26 | greycat | MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MIND WHAT YOU WANT, THEN DO IT. |
| 17:52.42 | dondelelcaro | greycat: but that's HARD. |
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| 17:52.51 | MoonPrincess | afabian crap... I was hoping I could simply change a few things in the fstab and tune2fs -j /dev/hda3 |
| 17:53.02 | Octalthorpe | MoonPrincess : Heh. |
| 17:53.06 | Octalthorpe | MoonPrincess : That's funny. |
| 17:53.15 | bjr223 | how do i load the ipw2200 drivers after they are installed? |
| 17:53.19 | Empty | ecobit, Umm, the installer made an XFS filesystem? I thought d-i just did an ext2 one by default |
| 17:53.21 | Octalthorpe | bjr223 : modprobe ipw2200 |
| 17:53.23 | ecobit | Empty: I think they might want to know about this failure because it is a brand-new HP Proliant DL140 system |
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| 17:53.45 | ecobit | Empty: it will do whatever you choose. xfs is one of the options |
| 17:53.57 | Octalthorpe | bjr223 : And add a line like: "ipw2200" to /etc/modules to have them loaded at boot time, or do The Right Thing and do the modutils stuff. |
| 17:54.02 | resiak | ecobit: Erm, you chose xfs. I think it warns you that Grub might not support it. Do you have a hand-rolled kernel? |
| 17:54.05 | afabian | MoonPrincess, no, you'll have to make a full back-up of the file system, mount your partitions in place, and restore everything. |
| 17:54.17 | ecobit | resiak: i installed lilo |
| 17:54.24 | PeTeRB | Wee. More "someone set up us the packet filter" in China :| |
| 17:54.26 | bjr223 | ok it adds it as eth2... |
| 17:54.29 | resiak | ecobit: Oh. Well, then, I don't know. |
| 17:54.31 | gtigene | I am having trouble "make"ing a certain Perl module. Noone at #perl seems interested in helping. I have read the makefile and some documentation but still stumpled. Does anyone have any suggestions? |
| 17:54.37 | MoonPrincess | ok. thanks |
| 17:54.39 | Empty | xfs is also a module under 2.4 or 2.6 and not directly configured- are you sure you are set up for initrd support in lilo or grub? |
| 17:54.42 | Raspberry | greycat: sorry, my problem isn't the dm though -- I can't get X initialized properly even without a dm |
| 17:54.42 | Octalthorpe | PeTeRB : VPN tunnel turn on? |
| 17:54.46 | resiak | gtigene: apt-cache show dh-make-perl ? |
| 17:54.48 | dondelelcaro | gtigene: just install the debian package for the module. |
| 17:55.14 | ecobit | Empty: that is a good point. I will boot a rescue disk and mount the partition and make sure the boot loader is set to load the initrd correctly |
| 17:55.16 | Empty | ecobit, did it fail with an ext2 / partition or did you try it that way? |
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| 17:55.38 | gtigene | Thanks for the suggestions I will look and see if there is a Debian package |
| 17:55.41 | ecobit | Empty: did not try that. i've only tried expert26 and expert with 2.4 and 2.6 kernel images |
| 17:56.00 | ecobit | Empty: and only xfs |
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| 17:56.25 | Empty | ecobit, Yeah I just catted my /proc/filesystems on 2 boxes (one on 2.6.8-1 and one on -2) and neither have xfs listed |
| 17:56.45 | gtigene | dondelelcaro: There is no Debian package DB_File. |
| 17:56.46 | Empty | I'd retry with a /boot in ext2 |
| 17:57.15 | Raspberry | greycat: maybe my problem is that my /home partition is 100% full :P |
| 17:57.25 | Empty | gtigene, libmldbm-perl |
| 17:57.30 | dondelelcaro | gtigene: uh, yes... that's because DB_File is distributed in *PERL*. |
| 17:57.33 | greycat | !lart Raspberry |
| 17:57.37 | Empty | gtigene, if you are looking for perl libs for db file |
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| 17:57.54 | EdibleText | when putting cosole on serial, is there a term that will make use of arrow keys ? |
| 17:58.02 | gtigene | Empty: thank you. dondelelcaro: Yes. |
| 17:58.04 | ecobit | Empty: hmm. i've installed debian many times on xfs only filesystems |
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| 17:58.17 | EdibleText | erm console.. |
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| 17:58.18 | Raspberry | greycat : I just noticed that it'd filled up :P I was copying photos from my camera earlier :P |
| 17:58.25 | dondelelcaro | gtigene: so why again, are you trying to isntall it? You've already got it installed. |
| 17:58.27 | Empty | ecobit, *shrug* well I don't see how the kernel can boot itself when it cannot read its filesystem |
| 17:58.36 | pipeline | ecobit, Empty : I agree with Empty. You should always have an ext2 /boot if your root filesystem is XFS. |
| 17:58.37 | ecobit | Empty: in a worse-case scenario i can just image the drive from another working system |
| 17:58.47 | gearry | i am installing 3.1 for the first time, and I thought I would try out the X.org xserver |
| 17:58.55 | Octalthorpe | The things that pipeline and Empty says are true. |
| 17:58.55 | pipeline | ecobit: That's silly. Put an XFS rescue image on your ext2 /boot and away you go :P |
| 17:58.57 | pipeline | gearry: No dice. |
| 17:58.58 | gtigene | dondelelcaro: Why do you say I have already got it installed, please? |
| 17:59.02 | resiak | !topicsmite gearry |
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| 17:59.03 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon gearry. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:59.06 | Raspberry | greycat: yup, works now :) thanks for your patience :) |
| 17:59.20 | dondelelcaro | gtigene: because there's no way in hell you don't have perl installed, unless you've tried very hard not to install it. |
| 17:59.25 | gearry | doh |
| 17:59.31 | dondelelcaro | gtigene: DB_File.pm is in the perl package. |
| 17:59.34 | dondelelcaro | !tell gtigene about searc |
| 17:59.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell gtigene -about search |
| 18:00.15 | kuonSama | hello everybody, I'm gonna pass my computer to a friend, and he want only windows, and after removing debian, I still get GRUB at startup, he is annoyed by it and I want to remove GRUB because he makes me crazy |
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| 18:00.24 | ecobit | Empty, pipeline: unless something's changed, debian should install fine on an xfs-only filesystem. i've done it many times. the system i'm typing on is proof |
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| 18:00.32 | greycat | kuonSama: reinstall the windows MBR. |
| 18:00.41 | dondelelcaro | kuonSama: you're giving the computer to this guy, and he's complaining? ;-) |
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| 18:00.42 | resiak | kuonSama: Boot to the WinXP console, use fixmbr |
| 18:00.43 | greycat | you can't *remove* a boot loader. you can only *replace* it with a different one. |
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| 18:00.46 | pipeline | ecobit: Yes, it will install fine, that doesn't make it a good idea :P |
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| 18:01.00 | kuonSama | resiak win2k, I'll try |
| 18:01.00 | Ryushin | Now that sarge has been released. How should be go about doing backports? Certain packages like ClamAV should always be updated on a regular basis. |
| 18:01.04 | EdibleText | kuonSama, get a win98 boot diskette and run 'fdisk /mbr' |
| 18:01.09 | ecobit | pipeline: i fail to see your resoning as to why using xfs is *bad* |
| 18:01.12 | resiak | !tell Ryushin -about volatile |
| 18:01.12 | kuonSama | thank you I really hate windows |
| 18:01.13 | rage | Does anyone know of an network level encryption scheme starting with V? it uses one time keys ect, think its Vir... verrr something |
| 18:01.13 | dondelelcaro | Ryushin: see volatile.debian.net |
| 18:01.19 | dmnokia | Hi All, can I use jigdo unattended mode? How |
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| 18:01.25 | ecobit | pipeline: considering that it is fully supported by linux and all |
| 18:01.28 | pipeline | ecobit: You can't fsck XFS at boot. If it fails to mount, it *fails to mount* |
| 18:01.40 | pipeline | ecobit: You need a separate rescue mini-root in order to fsck it in the case that something goes wrong |
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| 18:01.43 | Ryushin | Thanks all. |
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| 18:01.59 | pipeline | ecobit: So on a system with an XFS root, you want an ext2 /boot so that you can have a rescue mini-root at hand. |
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| 18:02.17 | pipeline | ecobit: That is, an alternate initrd that contains xfs_check and xfs_repair |
| 18:02.31 | revenger | does anyone know which package contains wavr? |
| 18:02.40 | asg | revenger: /msg dpkg search |
| 18:02.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell revenger -about search |
| 18:02.47 | fas3r | because i have the UR054g(01) usb and i dont know what's i write in kismet.conf for this hardware..... it's work very well but i don't what's the method for configure the kismet.conf for ndiswrapper driver....... |
| 18:02.47 | revenger | that stuff doesn'T work.. |
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| 18:03.04 | dondelelcaro | !+find wavr |
| 18:03.06 | jeff99 | can anyone help me configure my serial mouse to work with X? under GPM it works flawlessly |
| 18:03.06 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 18:03.07 | revenger | doesn't return anything |
| 18:03.10 | revenger | apt-file either.. |
| 18:03.17 | dondelelcaro | revenger: then no package in Debian contains it. |
| 18:03.28 | greycat | !gpm+x |
| 18:03.28 | dpkg | gpm+x is, like, how to install gpm and X to share your mouse. Configure gpm (using gpmconfig) to use 'repeat_type=ms3' and your correct mouse type (often "autops2"), and configure X to use Option "Device" "/dev/gpmdata" and Option "Protocol" "Intellimouse", regardless of your actual mouse type. |
| 18:03.30 | gtigene | Empty, yes that was it. Thanks again :) |
| 18:03.33 | rage | fas3r: kismet? ndiswrapper? not a hope, I'm certain the ndis wrapper doesnt support rfmon mode |
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| 18:03.54 | resiak | jeff99: Tell X to use the gpm repeater? |
| 18:03.58 | fas3r | rage, do u know if they are equivalence for kismet.... |
| 18:04.05 | jeff99 | resiak, ive tired that and had no luck |
| 18:04.06 | fas3r | more performant |
| 18:04.38 | rage | fas3r: iwconfig scan is the best you can hope for in perforamnce, maybe the odd gui app ect |
| 18:04.45 | madclicker | i am trying to find a package , which i know i have installed with "dpkg -l ipopd*" but nothing is being displayed. Why? |
| 18:04.45 | revenger | does anyone know a good shelltool for recording from line in? |
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| 18:05.13 | dondelelcaro | revenger: ecatools for starters... there are a few other simpler commands. |
| 18:05.20 | jeff99 | all i have is the bare-bones X server though, but someone told me that i shuld at LEAST be able to move the pointer around right? |
| 18:05.22 | Biff | madclicker: an installed package, or do you want to install a package? |
| 18:05.34 | dondelelcaro | revenger: apt-get install ecasound; |
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| 18:05.36 | Biff | madclicker: apt-cache search ipopd |
| 18:05.41 | Biff | try that |
| 18:05.49 | revenger | dondelelcaro: well just discovered that my apt-sources aren't complete |
| 18:05.55 | revenger | I prefer wavr though... |
| 18:06.03 | FBCrack | 6c/topic |
| 18:06.05 | revenger | just cannot find it yet.. |
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| 18:06.26 | dondelelcaro | revenger: are you sure it's called wavr? there's no match of such a thing on freshmeat. |
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| 18:06.35 | madclicker | Biff: debian sarge has a package called ipopd which is installed on my system. I want to see which version is installed |
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| 18:06.56 | Bimmerman | i want to be able to acces this mount as a user... hwta is wrong with this line when used as root? mount -t ntfs /dev/hdg1 /media/D -o defaults,users |
| 18:07.06 | madclicker | Biff: dpkg -l "$srting". but nothing happens |
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| 18:07.13 | Roberti | please i need some help or tip -debian 3.1r0-can get no X- kernel 2.6.8 |
| 18:07.19 | Bimmerman | i want to be able to acces this mount as a user... hwta is wrong with this line when used as root? mount -t ntfs /dev/hdg1 /media/D -o users |
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| 18:07.28 | Empty | gtigene, Awesome glad to help |
| 18:07.28 | greycat | "Oh hi this is your proftpd package and I can't convert your config file to the new format which changed for no discernable purpose and I can't help you convert it either and well you're on your own, have fun" |
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| 18:07.40 | Biff | madclicker: well, i saw you used *, which will be escaped to any files matching that pattern |
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| 18:07.50 | greycat | and the normal OpenBSD based ftpd doesn't have working anon FTP apparently. |
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| 18:07.57 | asg | greycat: publicfile? |
| 18:08.01 | greycat | nor does it produce anything in the logs to tell me WHY the login fails. |
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| 18:08.07 | resiak | Roberti: Define "can get no X" |
| 18:08.08 | Biff | madclicker: try dpkg -l | grep -i ipopd |
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| 18:08.14 | Roberti | at this moment i tupe using another linux |
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| 18:08.25 | jasoncohen | i can't seem to run cron-apt from cron. In webmin it just sits there with no output and doesn't show in the log, and when i schedule it automatically nothing happens |
| 18:08.34 | MrKeuner | hi, why would I get this error? gconfd (hf-11161): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/hf/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 |
| 18:08.49 | Empty | greycat, proftpd is what you want. Personally I'd diff em, or just grep out the comments and blanks, sort, and diff that |
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| 18:09.01 | resiak | MrKeuner: What makes you think that's an error, where did you get it, does the program work despite it, etc. |
| 18:09.10 | Roberti | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:09.11 | resiak | !faq Roberti |
| 18:09.12 | dpkg | Roberti: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:09.18 | Empty | greycat, personally i would not run anonftp on any other server... or ftp at all come to think of it |
| 18:09.19 | resiak | Roberti: You didn't pick the "graphical desktop" option? |
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| 18:09.30 | madclicker | Biff: that works, but i read the man pages and it tels me to use "*" at which point it displays more info about the package installed |
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| 18:09.35 | higiker | Hey guys, I have a question that may seem simple, but I can't find the answer anywhere. I need things to start automatically (such as cardmgr, dhcpd, etc)... where do I do this? |
| 18:09.37 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
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| 18:09.43 | Belboz99 | I've got a problem |
| 18:09.44 | greycat | Empty: it's really *not* what I want. I already know the woody one can't handle NIS groups properly, and I had a user complaint just the other day about the fact that proftpd shows the mtime on files in gmtime instead of localtime. |
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| 18:09.50 | MrKeuner | resiak/ well I thought it might be an error. it is in the /var/log/messages |
| 18:09.51 | jasoncohen | why wouldn't cron-apt run as a cron job? isn't that the point? |
| 18:09.52 | Empty | higiker: man update-rc.d |
| 18:09.53 | Roberti | ok dpkg i will see it there |
| 18:09.57 | asg | higiker: /etc/init.d/README |
| 18:10.00 | higiker | thanks! |
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| 18:10.10 | Belboz99 | after my upgrade to Sarge last night, FAH isn't recognizing my SSE extensions |
| 18:10.19 | Empty | higiker, assuming you mean "on boot" |
| 18:10.20 | Belboz99 | it's only recognizing 3DNow |
| 18:10.22 | infinito | anyone using vmware can help me with sound?? |
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| 18:10.29 | higiker | yes, indeed. |
| 18:10.35 | Empty | greycat, Heh, well OK, have fun then :) |
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| 18:10.54 | madclicker | Biff: you can see the difference for your self: "dpkg -l kernel*" and "dpkg -l|grep kernel" |
| 18:10.54 | Biff | madclicker: you have to quote the string using '' to use the * |
| 18:11.02 | vhuren | is there a way to make xp clients authenicate their users through a debian server? something like what windows server does? |
| 18:11.18 | resiak | vhuren: /j #samba ? |
| 18:11.20 | Belboz99 | anyone read what I said? |
| 18:11.21 | Biff | madclicker: dpkg -l '*kernel*' should work better |
| 18:11.22 | asg | vhuren: samba + openldap possibly. |
| 18:11.23 | greycat | Empty: well, I let proftpd install the maintainer's configs and hopefully they'll work oK |
| 18:11.24 | Empty | vhuren: check out Samba |
| 18:11.24 | rage | vhuren: ldap? |
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| 18:11.40 | Ungy | vhuren Run Samba as a PDC find out more information at #samba |
| 18:11.48 | Roberti | resiak wahta are you talking about? |
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| 18:12.07 | greycat | I vaguely recall seeing some sort of PAM errors once upon a time much earlier in the upgrade process, but damned if I can make them show up *now* |
| 18:12.09 | vhuren | ok thanx I'll try openldap :) |
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| 18:12.17 | kugg | Can anyone tell me about the benefits in using waste for filesharing? |
| 18:12.29 | Empty | rage, Microsoft "embraced and extended" LDAP so I doubt vanilla LDAP would work right in place of ActiveWhatchamajigger |
| 18:12.32 | resiak | Roberti: Did you choose to install X during the installation? |
| 18:12.36 | Belboz99 | Anyone know why Sarge caused some applications to not recognize SSE on an AMD 2400+?? |
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| 18:12.44 | madclicker | Biff: thanks, it's a bit confusing, am used to "rpm -qa|grep "$STRING" |
| 18:12.49 | benjamindees | what's a normal amount of overhead for bittorrent? I've downloaded a 650mb iso and it says it's downloaded 2.2 gb :( |
| 18:12.51 | sparr_ | i am about to rearrange my hard drives, moving my / drive from hdb to hdd. changing the bios to boot it is easy. and i have to change the device references in my fstab. should i need to do anything else? |
| 18:12.54 | rage | Empty: yeah I suppose :-( |
| 18:12.55 | Ungy | vhuren seriously go to www.samba.org or #samba and find otu abotu running samba as a PDC(primary Domain controller) |
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| 18:13.13 | Empty | vhuren, you want Samba |
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| 18:13.33 | Empty | vhuren, with maybe some OpenLDAP on the ass end ;) |
| 18:13.33 | rage | Why oh why cant windows be more open :-) |
| 18:13.58 | Roberti | about any boot option for grafical desktop- no i didn't choose none |
| 18:13.58 | Ungy | rage windows is very open you have to however sell your soul to view the source |
| 18:13.59 | Belboz99 | hey rage, MS is going to use XML in it's new office suites |
| 18:13.59 | greycat | then they'd be doors. |
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| 18:14.16 | bejoy | What is the equivalent of service command in Debian? |
| 18:14.19 | greycat | !apostrophesmite Belboz99 |
| 18:14.22 | rage | Ungy: either that or look on a bit torrent tracker :-S *runs* |
| 18:14.27 | resiak | !tell Roberti -about nickprefix |
| 18:14.29 | resiak | !faq Roberti |
| 18:14.29 | Ungy | bejoy service you mean a daemon? |
| 18:14.30 | dpkg | Roberti: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:14.41 | narg | How do you fix the error 'no screens found' in startx (havnt reinstalled x for ages ;p) |
| 18:14.42 | asg | bejoy: invoke-rc.d |
| 18:14.43 | bejoy | Ungy yes |
| 18:14.44 | Biff | madclicker: well, you can use "" instead of single quotes to my belief, aswell as using dpkg -l instead of rpm -qa in that command, so it should be quite similar :) |
| 18:14.50 | Roberti | yes i ma there ..thanks |
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| 18:15.00 | vhuren | ungy: that also seems nice ;) will find out |
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| 18:15.01 | humbolt | so, sarge is released. how to I get my testing system to be a sarge system now? what to put in sources.list? are all packages marked as stable sarge now not as testing anymore? |
| 18:15.10 | Bimmerman | please help me!!!! i want to be able to access this mount as a user... what is wrong with this line when used as root? mount -t ntfs /dev/hdg1 /media/D -o users????? |
| 18:15.10 | resiak | Roberti: Read the bits on installing X |
| 18:15.12 | humbolt | what has to go in apt.conf? |
| 18:15.18 | narg | humbolt change testing to stable? |
| 18:15.18 | resiak | !tell Bimmerman -about ep |
| 18:15.22 | Belboz99 | so, now that I got your attention, Sarge caused certain applications to not recognize SSE |
| 18:15.26 | Ungy | vhuren well unless you want to write it yourself you have to use Samba |
| 18:15.27 | Roberti | ok |
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| 18:15.34 | greycat | Bimmerman: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 18:15.35 | Belboz99 | I need to fix it |
| 18:15.41 | madclicker | Biff: i got one more question. Do you have webmin instaslled by any chance? |
| 18:15.48 | benjamindees | narg, look in ~/.xinitrc or ~/.xsession |
| 18:15.49 | humbolt | narg: can I also use sarge instead of stable? |
| 18:15.52 | Ungy | uhnmbolt change testing to sarge |
| 18:15.58 | MrKeuner | What does this mean? gconfd (hf-11161): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/hf/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 |
| 18:16.03 | greycat | Bimmerman: /msg dpkg read-ntfs |
| 18:16.05 | paulswm | aaargh the dreaded webmin |
| 18:16.05 | Ungy | humbolt, just change testing to sarge |
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| 18:16.07 | Biff | madclicker: no, i really hate it |
| 18:16.18 | madclicker | Biff: bahh |
| 18:16.22 | Belboz99 | hello? |
| 18:16.32 | madclicker | anyone has webmin installed? |
| 18:16.35 | Biff | madclicker: i've never seen any real use for it, i prefer working in the shell |
| 18:16.35 | Belboz99 | I'm feeling invisible here |
| 18:16.37 | paulswm | !prize Biff for hating webmin |
| 18:16.38 | asg | Belboz99: show some patience, if someone knows the answer, they will answer. |
| 18:16.39 | rage | So, does anyone know of a network level encryption scheme starting with V? sounding like Versomething... or virsomething? |
| 18:16.40 | Bimmerman | greycat, thanx |
| 18:16.46 | narg | benjamindees: Neither files exist (for root) |
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| 18:16.51 | Biff | hehe paulswm ;) |
| 18:16.55 | paulswm | :D |
| 18:16.57 | humbolt | so is testing on automatic migration from unstable again? |
| 18:17.09 | Belboz99 | I guess this is an unusual problem then asg? |
| 18:17.11 | paulswm | Not yet I don't think |
| 18:17.19 | madclicker | Biff: me too, but never the less it's good to know the interaction of both |
| 18:17.23 | Ungy | Belboz99, either we don't know or we don't feel like answering it mor ethen likely the first for most of us |
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| 18:17.33 | asg | Belboz99: quite possibly, nobody has reported it so far today that I'm aware of. |
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| 18:17.42 | Biff | madclicker: either way you should ask a direct question about what you want to know about it |
| 18:17.43 | Belboz99 | okay, that's what I wanted to hear |
| 18:17.55 | Biff | bigger chance someone can answer it |
| 18:17.56 | Belboz99 | I just don't like no answer at all, any answer is fine with me |
| 18:18.01 | sparr_ | how do i specify four swap partitions at the same priority? |
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| 18:18.24 | Belboz99 | though I really would have liked it if someone knew :? |
| 18:18.28 | Biff | hehe, wonder how long it would take for me to lose my job if i installed webmin on the servers :-P |
| 18:18.29 | paulswm | Belboz99: Yeah, I know the feeling, but it's usually that no-one has an answer |
| 18:18.34 | Anthro | Has anyone run across fetchmail adding garbage (a close paren, in this case) to the end of emails? I've narrowed it down to fetchmail rather than any other part of the delivery chain. |
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| 18:18.49 | Belboz99 | well, I'm gonna go eat lunch |
| 18:18.55 | Belboz99 | thanks anyway |
| 18:18.58 | Belboz99 | peace! |
| 18:19.04 | Ungy | Anthro sounds interesting |
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| 18:19.29 | Anthro | Ungy: Interesting isn't the word. Infuriating, maybe. |
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| 18:19.52 | Ungy | Anthro ahh why so glum it's probably somethign really stupid |
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| 18:20.05 | Ungy | Anthro and when you find it you kick yourself and be done with it |
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| 18:21.07 | MrKeuner | I got this. Should I jump out of the window? gconfd (hf-11161): Resolved address "xml:readwrite:/home/hf/.gconf" to a writable configuration source at position 1 |
| 18:21.08 | jak | hello. i know #exim, but no one answers, so i just ask here: any expieriences for runnning exim in chroot? are there howtos for doing this? |
| 18:21.12 | Anthro | Ungy: Well, if it were that easy... But I'm afraid it's actually something wrong with fetchmail. |
| 18:21.32 | theD3viL | Which command (if it exist) show me all the packages i have installed? ... NOT synaptic! |
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| 18:21.55 | pack | dpkg -l |
| 18:21.55 | asg | theD3viL: dpkg -l | egrep '[hi]i' |
| 18:22.16 | theD3viL | tnx asg |
| 18:22.18 | pack | and synaptic |
| 18:22.32 | rage | or aptitude, but yeah |
| 18:22.42 | rage | not, stdout like :-) |
| 18:22.45 | plugwash | grr both aptitude dist-upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade wanted to nuke sendmail on my system |
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| 18:23.09 | plugwash | so i'm having to use apt-get upgrade and clean up the not upgraded stuff manually |
| 18:23.28 | pack | i'd hope they were doing the same thing. |
| 18:23.39 | stouset|lunch | plugwash: Why not let it p;) |
| 18:23.43 | rage | during an upgrade I did recently it kept trying to install caudium :-S |
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| 18:24.00 | plugwash | stouset|lunch because i want sendmail on the system? |
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| 18:24.39 | stouset | plugwash: Crazy :-) |
| 18:25.06 | stouset | Uh oh. Nickserv isn't letting me identify. |
| 18:25.20 | stouset | Oh, now he is. |
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| 18:26.14 | jasoncohen | i have cron setup as as a service but i see no cron jobs in webmin. |
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| 18:26.40 | jasoncohen | i see several apps in /etc/cron.daily so there should be something there |
| 18:26.51 | stouset | jasoncohen: more than likely, webmin is broken =P |
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| 18:27.03 | stouset | jasoncohen: Being the piece of crap that it is. |
| 18:27.07 | jasoncohen | stouset, how else can i check cron jobs? |
| 18:27.09 | zumbi | anyone know what's the current status wrt. multi-arch in debian? |
| 18:27.26 | stouset | zumbi: Be more specific? |
| 18:27.38 | stouset | zumbi: The current status wrt multi-arch is that Debian supports 11 archs. |
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| 18:27.47 | stouset | jasoncohen: ls /etc/cron.*? |
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| 18:28.34 | sbk | folks [just reading humbolts question and making sure I understood the answer] so to convert my previous testing [aka sarge] into stable, I just update sources.list to use stable instead of testing, then apt-get update/upgrade does the trick? |
| 18:28.39 | jasoncohen | stouset, crontab -l shows the same jobs that are in webmin...nothing from cron.daily |
| 18:28.39 | Devil_Kin | did non-us get folded into main? |
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| 18:29.04 | robin_ | is there something wrong with MC ? |
| 18:29.05 | bob2 | sbk: yes |
| 18:29.06 | bob2 | Devil_Kin: yes |
| 18:29.09 | robin_ | i upgraded to sarge |
| 18:29.11 | Devil_Kin | okay, thanks. |
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| 18:29.17 | Devil_Kin | expalins the errors i'm getting ;p |
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| 18:29.24 | sbk | bob2: great, thanks |
| 18:29.28 | resiak | !topicsmite dpkg |
| 18:29.29 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon dpkg. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:29.30 | resiak | Erm... |
| 18:29.38 | pack | zumbi: if you mean the 64 bit and 32 bit programs running together and being completely happy, i think that devel is stalled, youd want to ask about that in like debian-amd64 |
| 18:29.49 | paulswm | !gothsmite resiak |
| 18:29.50 | stouset | jasoncohen: crontab -l only shows things in your personal crontab |
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| 18:30.03 | PeTeRB | paulswm: Nasty. |
| 18:30.18 | jasoncohen | stouset, i did this as root |
| 18:30.31 | zumbi | pack, yes, tnx |
| 18:30.33 | stouset | jasoncohen: Which would show entries in root's personal crontab, not in /etc/cron.* |
| 18:30.40 | paulswm | PeTeRB: indded, I discovered it the other day :) |
| 18:30.45 | stouset | like I said, ls /etc/cron.* |
| 18:30.46 | jasoncohen | stouset, so, how do i check those? |
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| 18:31.01 | jasoncohen | they're in /etc/cron.* |
| 18:31.02 | resiak | paulswm: Thank you for that. :-) |
| 18:31.19 | paulswm | resiak: Heh, couldn't resist :) |
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| 18:31.35 | stouset | jasoncohen: Check what? |
| 18:31.41 | stouset | jasoncohen: "ls /etc/cron.*" =P |
| 18:31.52 | stouset | jasoncohen: What are you "checking" |
| 18:32.11 | jasoncohen | well, i want to know if they're actually being run |
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| 18:32.31 | stouset | Unless you've edited /etc/crontab manually, they are. |
| 18:32.43 | sparr_ | what does the mount option "sw" do for a swap partition? |
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| 18:32.56 | stouset | sparr_: Mounts it as a swap partition. |
| 18:32.58 | narg | use it as swap? |
| 18:33.08 | sparr_ | ok |
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| 18:34.22 | stouset | jasoncohen: Those directories get executed by run-parts through /etc/crontab. |
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| 18:34.30 | steki | ahoi |
| 18:35.05 | Cecoscide | Hi, everyone. I must qualify this as being very much a newbie question, but what release should I get if I want to get Debian with the most recent packages I can get? The whole stable/testing/unstable thing confuses me somewhat, and someone told me in one of my previous attempts that I was running packages that were current in 2002. |
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| 18:35.17 | sparr_ | when i boot my system tries to load a (broken) driver for one of my IDE controllers, which produces a kernel Oops. ive got a working driver that i load manually via /etc/modules later in the boot process. can i disable the automatic part without deleting the broken module? and can i make using the custom driver automatic? |
| 18:35.25 | steki | was is kaputt, wenn mein kernel laufend "eth2: link up" "eth2 link down!" meldet? die netzwerkkarte /channel |
| 18:35.33 | PeTeRB | !de |
| 18:35.33 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 18:35.41 | stouset | Cecoscide: What are you using the machine for? |
| 18:35.55 | Cecoscide | stouset: An SSH gateway. |
| 18:35.56 | stouset | sparr_: You can disable the automatic part |
| 18:36.11 | stouset | !blacklist |
| 18:36.11 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present) |
| 18:36.17 | paulswm | Cecoscide: you'll find descriptions of stable/testing/unstalbe at debian.org |
| 18:36.39 | Bimmerman | why doesent /dev/hdg1 /media/D ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 in fstab work? |
| 18:36.47 | stouset | Cecoscide: What do you need the absolute latest and greatest software for, then? For something like that, you want a machine that sits there and simply works, without having to bother upgrading it every few hours. |
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| 18:37.04 | stouset | Cecoscide: Anyways, Sarge was released yesterday. I would recommend using that. It's the current stable distribution. |
| 18:37.11 | mort | Bimmerman: what's the error? |
| 18:37.15 | PeTeRB | !doesn't work |
| 18:37.15 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 18:37.18 | Cecoscide | stouset: All right. Thank you. |
| 18:37.23 | stouset | Cecoscide: You can always upgrade from Woody, your current install, to Sarge. |
| 18:37.25 | sbk | How does apt-get dist-upgrade differ from apt-get upgrade? (more pertinently, would i need to use dist-upgrade versus upgrade after changing my sources.list to use stable rather than testing?) |
| 18:37.28 | Bimmerman | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hde5, |
| 18:37.28 | Bimmerman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.28 | Bimmerman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:37.28 | Bimmerman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:37.29 | stouset | Cecoscide: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 18:37.54 | justin | dpkg: mplayer paradox is windows users think the lack of a bloated GUI in mplayer.exe is the coolset thing ever, while new linux users complain that it is missing a GUI |
| 18:37.54 | dpkg | justin: okay |
| 18:38.11 | stouset | justin: Haha |
| 18:38.16 | mort | Bimmerman: are you sure it's /dev/hde5 |
| 18:38.24 | stouset | justin: I complain that it looks like a fucking car stereo =P |
| 18:38.28 | Bimmerman | mort, yes it works as root |
| 18:38.51 | justin | stouset: gmplayer you mean? no one should ever use that crap :-) |
| 18:38.59 | Bimmerman | mort, wait it doesent... but it is hde5 |
| 18:39.13 | stouset | justin: Yes, gmplayer |
| 18:39.40 | mort | Bimmerman: what does work as root? are you trying to mount as a user? |
| 18:39.54 | pipeline | justin: Hah, you're right. The console interface is the only reason I ever use mplayer for anything. |
| 18:40.00 | justin | stouset: ah, you just have to learn that the keyboard, aka, "that big human interface box" in front of you IS a GUI |
| 18:40.10 | stouset | justin: :-) |
| 18:40.19 | Bimmerman | mort, it worked to mount hde5 as root... but when i put that line in fstab... it didnt work for either root or user |
| 18:40.25 | plugwash | is it normal for console-tools-libs to be removed as part of a woody-sarge upgrade? |
| 18:40.30 | stouset | justin: Still, sometimes nice large clickable widgets are useful. |
| 18:40.34 | pipeline | plugwash: Yeah, don't worry about it. |
| 18:40.43 | daxxar | Hm. Anyone have an idea when svn 2.0 will reach debian unstable? |
| 18:40.54 | resiak | daxxar: The svn packagers? |
| 18:41.06 | stouset | daxxar: Probably soon. |
| 18:41.16 | rumpl | i have a pcmcia wifi card with AMD1772 chipset, now i installed the driver, Nautilus, some brasilian guys made it. but now when i type insmod Nautilus in the dmesg i have "KPCI No PCI device found" and "NAUTILUS No Atlas device found !!!" im running on a 2.4.29 kernel, debian woddy, can someone help me please... |
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| 18:41.48 | resiak | !d-i rumpl |
| 18:41.49 | dpkg | rumpl, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:41.55 | resiak | !tell rumpl -about woody hardware support |
| 18:41.57 | mort | Bimmerman: ok. /dev/sda1 /media/usb vfat uid=0,gid=1000,umask=002,user 0 0 <= that's for my usb stick. see if this works. (change the paths and vfat into ntfs of course) |
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| 18:42.34 | stouset | mort: Jesus, just use some sort of hotplugging frontend :-P gnome-volume-manager or something |
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| 18:42.49 | stouset | mort: This is what pmount, hal, dbus, et al were made for :-) |
| 18:43.07 | daxxar | Whoopsie, I meant 1.2. :) |
| 18:43.11 | mort | stouset: nah. I'm using wmmount. has much more style |
| 18:43.29 | Sirius_Black | si there anyone who uses http://non-us.debian.org in sources.list? There seams to be a problem when I apt-get update in Sid |
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| 18:43.54 | stouset | !topicsmite Sirius_Black |
| 18:43.54 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Sirius_Black. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 18:44.22 | Sirius_Black | :-( sorry |
| 18:44.26 | nbr | howdy. can you good people tell me how to check which users are logged in on my machine and log them out? |
| 18:44.33 | stouset | No problem. That's what !topicsmite exists for :-) |
| 18:44.37 | Bimmerman | mort, il try |
| 18:44.42 | bbrazil | nbr: w, finger |
| 18:44.43 | stouset | nbr: "users" |
| 18:44.56 | rumpl | im unstable, just that the drivers for my card is home made... |
| 18:44.57 | tarzeau | takatumi: arcsine had not enough patience, but "19:18 < ArcSine> how do i install GNUstep?" is simple, just apt-get install gnustep |
| 18:45.01 | fas3r | anybody have UR054g |
| 18:45.02 | fas3r | ? |
| 18:45.04 | stouset | We can probably remove the spambots line from the topic, it's been ages since they've stopped by. |
| 18:45.09 | fas3r | on USB |
| 18:45.11 | tarzeau | asg, takatumi you guys could have told him as well -- not pretty hard one, was it? |
| 18:45.37 | Ungy | Someone at my work just asked me if I know what a keylogger is |
| 18:45.58 | stouset | Ungy: Well do you? |
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| 18:46.09 | Ungy | then proceeded to tell me that someone with some important access has on eon their computer |
| 18:46.37 | nbr | does anyone know how to change the default font size for X (for menu bars and input text and such?) |
| 18:46.38 | stouset | !ops Can we remove the spambots notice in the topic? It's been awhile since they've stopped by, and the topic is getting cumbersome to the point where people aren't reading it as (in)often as they used to. |
| 18:46.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Can we remove the spambots notice in the topic? It's been awhile since they've stopped by, and the topic is getting cumbersome to the point where people aren't reading it as (in)often as they used to. |
| 18:46.55 | bob2 | spambots are in here every day |
| 18:46.55 | stouset | nbr: GNOME? KDE? |
| 18:47.02 | mort | Ungy: you could make money that way |
| 18:47.02 | nbr | fluxbox |
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| 18:47.07 | Ungy | nbr what Desktop environment |
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| 18:47.13 | stouset | bob2: Really? I haven't seen them in months. |
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| 18:47.19 | *** topic/#debian by bob2 -> SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is part of main |
| 18:47.25 | stouset | Haha, maybe it's because I turned on /umode +E, now that I think about it :-) |
| 18:47.26 | bob2 | stouset: I haven't seen you for months, either ;) |
| 18:47.30 | stouset | Hahaha |
| 18:47.32 | stouset | Yes you have =P |
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| 18:47.34 | nbr | er, all i know is i installed x-window-system, and fluxbox |
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| 18:48.15 | resiak | nbr: If you're running GTK apps, you can either edit your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 , or run an mcs manager and change them there (I suggest xfce-mcs-manager). Other than that, I don't know. |
| 18:48.18 | Ungy | nbr sorry man I have no idea what fluxbox is |
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| 18:48.33 | greycat | it's a WM |
| 18:48.41 | Ungy | ahh |
| 18:48.50 | Ungy | thanks learn somethign new every day |
| 18:48.52 | rumpl | i have a pcmcia wifi card with AMD1772 chipset, now i installed the driver, Nautilus, some brasilian guys made it. but now when i type insmod Nautilus in the dmesg i have "KPCI No PCI device found" and "NAUTILUS No Atlas device found !!!" im running on a 2.4.29 kernel, debian unstable, can someone help me please... sorry to bother you guys |
| 18:48.52 | [S][F]Era | I'm the proud user of fluxbox |
| 18:49.05 | d03boy | me 2 |
| 18:49.12 | greycat | "the"? |
| 18:49.20 | stouset | rumpl: I believe the amd1772 chipset is supported in 2.6 |
| 18:49.33 | Ungy | fluxbox never tried it advnatages?/ |
| 18:49.33 | Kepplar | Hey people. I just did a dist-upgrade and for some reason it's killed smbd, when i try to start it it says it starts, but only nmbd appears once in the process list and I can't access my shares |
| 18:49.39 | scarynetworkguy | greycat: Yeah. There's only one now. :P |
| 18:49.39 | rumpl | stouset, no it isn't i checked |
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| 18:49.42 | nbr | i tried this xfce-mcs-manager command and it didn't work. |
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| 18:49.57 | stouset | rumpl: Don't be sorry to bother us =P Hell, you're one of the few people I've seen who knows how to report a problem in a way where we can offer suggestions without having to ask a billion questions ;) |
| 18:50.04 | stouset | rumpl: Well I'll be damned. One sec. |
| 18:50.06 | Ungy | Kepplar did you by chance no upgrade the config files? |
| 18:50.28 | resiak | rumpl: What does cat /etc/debian_version say? |
| 18:50.29 | stouset | rumpl: Well, clearly it looks like it's not finding the wifi card at all. |
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| 18:50.57 | rumpl | /etc/debian_version -> 3.1 |
| 18:51.04 | stouset | Ungy: It's tiny and doesn't get in the way. No desktop. Only a right-click applications menu. It supports tabbing windows (not within windows, but you can actually tab windows themselves) |
| 18:51.10 | rumpl | yes sorry |
| 18:51.13 | Ungy | Kepplar, depending on your asamba jump the terminology has changed significantly between the versions |
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| 18:51.28 | tarzeau | anyone join #bub-n-bros to play http://bub-n-bros.sf.net ? paulswm ? |
| 18:51.32 | Anthro | Okay, so I'm looking at the fetchmail transcript, and it appears that the IMAP server is sending a spurious close paren at the end of each message. I don't know why. Other mail clients seem to successfully ignore it. I tested it with telnet and I get the same thing. If other mail clients ignore the trailing paren, is it a bug in fetchmail? |
| 18:51.53 | Ungy | stouset ahh that would be good for a laptop for me not a workstation since i have to do a lot of graphical crap |
| 18:52.24 | xtension | tarzeau ok |
| 18:52.28 | stouset | Ungy: Eh, it's got its advantages and disadvantages like everything else. |
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| 18:52.40 | nbr | i tried this xfce-mcs-manager command and it didn't work. |
| 18:52.49 | kurtak | hell0! So i have some questions with patch. when i try patch from within the linux src dir, nothing happens, even with --verbose. does this usually mean that a file isn't found?? |
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| 18:53.04 | stouset | kurtak: What are you trying to do? |
| 18:53.10 | rumpl | stouset, maybe i missed some option in the kernel??? acctually this card worked before, but since i made a new install... |
| 18:53.20 | tarzeau | xtension: JOIN KWIK OR I GETS THE DIAMONDZZ |
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| 18:53.21 | kurtak | stouset: just patch the source before compiling |
| 18:53.30 | benjamindees | kurtak, please paste the command you're using |
| 18:53.31 | Ungy | stouset do you know the WM that is basically a series of consoles and only consoles and dividable bars I saw someone using it one on a BSD box I really liked the look of it |
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| 18:53.38 | kurtak | patch -p1 patchfilename |
| 18:53.41 | rumpl | and when i used it the kernel didn't see the card as a wifi card, but just a noemal ethernet card |
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| 18:53.44 | scarynetworkguy | Anthro: What are you using fetchmail with? |
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| 18:53.49 | resiak | !tell rumpl -about enter |
| 18:53.50 | stouset | rumpl: Did you change kernel versions? May need to recompile the kernel module. |
| 18:53.59 | stouset | kurtak: Why are you trying to compile your kernel? :-) |
| 18:54.00 | nbr | can anyone walk me through cleaning up my system a bit? debian installs a lot o things that i won't need. |
| 18:54.13 | stouset | Ungy: No clue. |
| 18:54.14 | Anthro | scarynetworkguy: IMAPS. Or do you mean something else? |
| 18:54.14 | EdibleText | Ungy, ratpoison or screen perhaps |
| 18:54.18 | Ungy | nbr you sure you know what you do and do not need? |
| 18:54.19 | EdibleText | !ratpoison |
| 18:54.19 | dpkg | it has been said that ratpoison is the window manager for people who don't like apps taking up any less than the entire screen; http://ratpoison.sourceforge.net for more info The WM with No Flashy Wank! |
| 18:54.21 | rumpl | resiak, yes i changed kernel versions but no good, there is no support for my card |
| 18:54.23 | nbr | for example, this crappy laptop will not be a mail or webserver |
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| 18:54.35 | resiak | rumpl: Oh. |
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| 18:54.41 | benjamindees | kurtak, try patch -pl <patchfilename |
| 18:54.42 | rumpl | resiak, yeah |
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| 18:54.59 | scarynetworkguy | Anthro: What are you using for a MDA? |
| 18:55.03 | rumpl | resiak, like i said the drivers are home made from brasil |
| 18:55.04 | kurtak | stouset: so i can get a patched kernel! so that acpi works on my laptop, and so i can have compatibilites built in for realtime ops so i don't have to run everything as root |
| 18:55.09 | nbr | so i probably don't need exim. |
| 18:55.10 | Anthro | scarynetworkguy: exim4 |
| 18:55.10 | Ungy | EdibleText, Thanks not sure screen might be it |
| 18:55.11 | rumpl | the doc is in portuguese |
| 18:55.37 | stouset | kurtak: Just out of curiosity, did you try the latest packaged kernels? |
| 18:55.38 | kurtak | benjamindees, stouset: ahhhhhhh, the "<" okay, sorry |
| 18:55.38 | scarynetworkguy | Anthro: That's a MTA. |
| 18:55.42 | Ungy | nbr do you know what posix compliance is? |
| 18:55.49 | Anthro | scarynetworkguy: Note that this problem only occurs with this IMAP server. It doesn't occur with either of the POP servers I am also retrieving with fetchmail. |
| 18:56.07 | nbr | ah, so for it to be *nix it has to have all that stuff integrated, then? |
| 18:56.13 | scarynetworkguy | Anthro: Yeah, whatever. What are you using for a MDA? |
| 18:56.15 | stouset | kurtak: We find that 99% of the time, people compile their kernel when they really don't have a compelling reason to do so. And we find that it causes problems more often than not, so we discourage it heavily here. |
| 18:56.35 | Ungy | well you need an MTA installed to be posix compliance that is why you have exim4-lite installed I believe |
| 18:56.36 | Anthro | scarynetworkguy: It's also the MDA in this case, I believe. Fetchmail is connecting to localhost:25 to deliver mail. |
| 18:56.39 | greycat | !custom kernel |
| 18:56.39 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
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| 18:57.10 | Ungy | !mda |
| 18:57.10 | dpkg | hmm... mda is mail delivery agent.. C10H13NO2, 3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine, molecular (atomic) weight 179.2182 |
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| 18:57.36 | Ungy | hmm I think dpkg needs examples of mda's |
| 18:58.03 | greycat | dpkg, mda =~ s/agent../agent, such as procmail; or/ |
| 18:58.03 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
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| 18:58.08 | kurtak | stouset: i have 2.8.8-2 running now, but i still need a patch for acpi to turnoff my video card completely in sleeping |
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| 18:58.11 | MrBallZ | hi |
| 18:58.12 | kab00m | hi folkssss |
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| 18:58.16 | stouset | Yeah, we could definitely use some examples of methylenedioxyamphetamines. |
| 18:58.21 | bztunk | l33t |
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| 18:58.26 | stouset | kurtak: Ok. |
| 18:58.37 | kurtak | What is the latest packaged kernel anyway? |
| 18:58.41 | nbr | hm, i suppose i'm just looking for ways to improve performance. is there any tweaking that can be done? i thought linux would run faster than windows. |
| 18:58.50 | hunger | Congratulations for the release! Great work guys. |
| 18:58.52 | greycat | kurtak: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 18:58.55 | coruptkid | hi all. i'm installing debian sarge and it keeps installing the 2.4 kernel, how do i get it to install the 2.6 kernel? |
| 18:58.56 | kurtak | b/c with my apt settings, i see 2.8 is the highest |
| 18:59.01 | greycat | !d-i coruptkid |
| 18:59.02 | dpkg | coruptkid, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 18:59.05 | cat | nbr: it does |
| 18:59.06 | EdibleText | heh my favorite "Users and developers will laugh at you when you break your system." |
| 18:59.16 | greycat | coruptkid: hint: when it says press F1 for help, guess what? |
| 18:59.23 | nbr | well firefox sure takes its time. k |
| 18:59.29 | coruptkid | greycat: what? |
| 18:59.33 | gAri- | Hi I'm thinkin about using nfs for a production server. nfs 2.4.x or nfs in 2.6.x is more stable? anybody has deep experiences with it? |
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| 18:59.39 | cat | are you using gnome? |
| 18:59.40 | streuner_ | haha |
| 18:59.43 | nbr | (i'm not trying to annoy anyone, i just installed sarge yesterday) |
| 18:59.45 | lawnchair | nfs is not sexy |
| 18:59.51 | cat | try using fluxbox and you will see the big differens |
| 18:59.54 | benjamindees | nbr, try dillo :p |
| 19:00.04 | stouset | EdibleText: Indeed. |
| 19:00.08 | nbr | i'm using fluxbox. |
| 19:00.11 | scarynetworkguy | Anthro: You can read email with Exim? Cool. |
| 19:00.14 | nbr | is dillo a dist, or a wm? |
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| 19:00.15 | greycat | gAri-: linux's NFS client side implementation is crap. server side is better, but you must choose kernel space vs. userspace.... |
| 19:00.23 | streuner_ | !info dillo |
| 19:00.26 | greycat | nbr: no. |
| 19:00.29 | nbr | !info dillo |
| 19:00.32 | hunger | nbr: A web browser. |
| 19:00.36 | Anthro | scarynetworkguy: You're asking about a MUA, not a MDA. |
| 19:00.36 | Ungy | scarynetworkguy, dude you gotta tell me how you pull that off |
| 19:00.53 | tarzeau | streuner_: come on, didn't you like dragons? |
| 19:00.53 | Anthro | scarynetworkguy: I'm using mutt as my MUA. |
| 19:00.57 | nbr | ah. |
| 19:01.01 | tarzeau | links2 is cool too |
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| 19:01.09 | Weems | I was installing menumaker which I got from menumaker.sf.net and I got this error: running install |
| 19:01.09 | oklinux | how is the new debian ? |
| 19:01.09 | Weems | error: invalid Python installation: unable to open /usr/lib/python2.3/config/Makefile (No such file or directory) |
| 19:01.11 | cat | !tell nbr about dillo |
| 19:01.31 | greycat | oklinux: you tell us. |
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| 19:01.43 | nbr | sure, i'll download it. |
| 19:01.46 | nbr | no frames though? |
| 19:01.47 | oklinux | I have not try it yet so I dont know |
| 19:01.50 | scarynetworkguy | Anthro: No. I'm not but just use mutt no need to fuck around wiht fetchmail. |
| 19:02.01 | benjamindees | oklinux, same as it's been for the last few months at least |
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| 19:02.04 | stouset | Weems: Do you have python 2.3-dev? |
| 19:02.05 | deadcat | finally my /etc/debian_version is back to testing/unstable instead of 3.1 |
| 19:02.09 | Ungy | oklinux your kinda in a biased channel no? |
| 19:02.17 | oklinux | no |
| 19:02.18 | stouset | python2.3-dev, even |
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| 19:02.26 | benjamindees | except apt is getting timeouts all of a sudden :( |
| 19:02.41 | stouset | benjamindees: non-us? |
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| 19:02.46 | coruptkid | i've pressed F1 and seen theinformation, is there something that you have to do to tell the installer on the cd to install the 2.6 kernel?? |
| 19:02.57 | stouset | coruptkid: type "linux26" |
| 19:03.05 | benjamindees | stouset, no, sid now, but was src |
| 19:03.11 | scarynetworkguy | Anthro: And before you say it *yes* mutt can just do imap. |
| 19:03.16 | nbr | aptitude says i have 10 broken packages, but i find the interface confusing. i'd like to fix them all. |
| 19:03.18 | Weems | stouset: thanks Ill apt-get that |
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| 19:03.26 | alan | thanks again and c u |
| 19:03.26 | deadcat | coruptkid: f3 |
| 19:03.26 | stouset | Out of curiosity, shouldn't it be possible to install the 2.6 kernel by a standard option in the d-i menus? Why do we still rely on the user to give boot flags for that sort of thing? |
| 19:03.34 | stouset | Weems: It might not work. Just an educated guess. |
| 19:03.34 | coruptkid | stouset: so thats when its at the first screen when the cd is booting "the screen with help"?? |
| 19:03.37 | loulaptop | Hi everyone ... I was a bit shocked to see 10 ISO images for the new 3.1 distro ... why is that? |
| 19:03.39 | Anthro | scarynetworkguy: Not acceptable. I need the email stored locally. I have limited storage on my IMAP account. |
| 19:03.39 | Ungy | coruptkid, hmm I just stop it pull up a command prompt and install the packages I want includin gth eproper kernel package |
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| 19:03.46 | greycat | stouset: complain in #debian-boot |
| 19:03.51 | hunger | Is there a list of stuff that got postponed till after sarge? |
| 19:03.55 | stouset | coruptkid: That's as soon as the boot CD shows you anything. |
| 19:03.58 | PerfDave | coruptkid: Have you tried reading the Installation Manual? |
| 19:04.05 | tarzeau | hunger: you make it! |
| 19:04.09 | coruptkid | stouset: thanks man |
| 19:04.12 | Ungy | hunger yes go to www.debian.org and look around |
| 19:04.13 | benjamindees | stouset, assuming the system boots fine with 2.4 |
| 19:04.19 | greycat | EdibleText: there's also F1 within mutt. |
| 19:04.25 | deadcat | hunger: xorg/kde3.4/gnome2.10 (= |
| 19:04.29 | stouset | Also, you can install the 2.6 kernel while you're in the Debian system if it went with 2.4 in the first place. |
| 19:04.33 | stouset | benjamindees: No. |
| 19:04.38 | tarzeau | greycat: formula one racing easter egg? |
| 19:04.43 | stouset | benjamindees: This is before the kernel. It's at syslinux or isolinux or whatever we're using now. |
| 19:04.50 | Ungy | loulaptop there should be 14 |
| 19:04.50 | greycat | tarzeau: <F1> silly. |
| 19:04.56 | EdibleText | heh |
| 19:05.00 | benjamindees | stouset, I know, I'm saying that's why... |
| 19:05.03 | Ungy | loulaptop and 15 for source |
| 19:05.09 | hunger | deadcat: Are you going to incorporate stuff from ubuntu? |
| 19:05.11 | loulaptop | WOW ... but which one to choose? |
| 19:05.13 | nbr | so, is there a quick way to automatically fix all broken packages? |
| 19:05.21 | benjamindees | stouset, oh, are you saying an isolinux menu? |
| 19:05.22 | deadcat | hunger: fuck no. |
| 19:05.23 | Ungy | loulaptop just get the first one and download the rest via the internet on demand |
| 19:05.25 | greycat | nbr: huh? |
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| 19:05.36 | loulaptop | Its all packages? |
| 19:05.40 | greycat | nbr: is that right next to the "cure AIDS" button? |
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| 19:05.50 | hunger | deadcat: Why not? They got all the stuff already... |
| 19:05.54 | nbr | lol. |
| 19:05.55 | Ungy | loulaptop first disk installs all you technically need to start |
| 19:06.04 | Weems | dang this debian repository is really slow. its going at 8000B/s |
| 19:06.07 | deadcat | hunger: dont want to taint my system with ubuntu shits |
| 19:06.11 | PerfDave | hunger: Ubuntu packages are not very compatiable with Debian packages. |
| 19:06.12 | stouset | benjamindees: Yes. |
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| 19:06.14 | nbr | i thought that the dependencies and stuff can sort themselves out. |
| 19:06.17 | loulaptop | Thnx Ungy ... |
| 19:06.19 | Ungy | loulaptop once you have the first disk installed you can then download every othe package you want via the internet |
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| 19:06.29 | benjamindees | stouset, I was under the impression you had to boot a kernel to get a d-i menu... |
| 19:06.37 | loulaptop | Thats what i've been doing for the last couple of years :) |
| 19:06.40 | Ungy | loulaptop however if you do watnt o download every single of the 15000 plus packages polease feel free |
| 19:06.50 | stouset | benjamindees: It's not really a menu. It's just a line where you can input boot flags. |
| 19:06.55 | stouset | benjamindees: Same as with lilo or grub or whatever. |
| 19:06.57 | deadcat | hunger: if i want to incorperate. things from ubuntu. why not just use ubuntu |
| 19:06.59 | loulaptop | Nope ... thanks ... I don't think i need them all :) |
| 19:06.59 | hunger | PerfDave: I know. But I was hoping that might improve after sarge... I hate having to look which distro a deb is fore. |
| 19:07.17 | Weems | the sarge im running now was netinstalled |
| 19:07.18 | stouset | hunger: That's up to Ubuntu whether or not they want to closely follow Debian. |
| 19:07.22 | Weems | i did it last night |
| 19:07.30 | Weems | started at 7 had it up by ten |
| 19:07.30 | Ungy | nbr unless you messed with apt or dpkg it shoudl tell you when you have unmet dependencies |
| 19:07.30 | nbr | i haven't done anything other than install xwin, fluxbox, firefox, amsn and xchat |
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| 19:07.35 | Weems | now im customizing it |
| 19:07.40 | benjamindees | stouset, but you want to move it to d-i; I'm saying you have to boot a kernel to do that... |
| 19:07.46 | Ungy | nbr you can also to a dpkg --status packagename to manually check |
| 19:07.48 | hunger | deadcat: I have ubuntu on one of my boxes. But I like to stick to the original:-) |
| 19:07.51 | PerfDave | hunger: For that to improve will take effort from Ubuntu, not from Debian. They are taking Debian sid packages and making them incompatiable with Debian, and they don't seem interested in not doing that. |
| 19:07.52 | Weems | I installed the AMD 2.6.8-11 kernel |
| 19:07.55 | Weems | (k7) |
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| 19:08.03 | stouset | benjamindees: Aaaaaaaah. |
| 19:08.09 | stouset | benjamindees: I gotcha |
| 19:08.31 | nbr | i don't know which ones are broken. when i go to search 'find broken' it shows a long list, most of which are not broken. |
| 19:08.41 | benjamindees | stouset, granted, it's just a matter of recognizing boot medium and making sure the vid card works, but redundancy is good |
| 19:08.49 | stouset | benjamindees: Yes, I hypothesized that it might be a "safey net" so that, by forcing you to install a 2.6 kernel while running the 2.6 kernel (and vice versa for 2.4), you ensure that the system won't crap out on first boot. |
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| 19:08.51 | Ungy | uhnger debian is not the distrobution for you try Gentoo they like to live bleeding edge |
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| 19:09.29 | pipeline | Ungy: Try #gentoo. |
| 19:09.43 | deadcat | hunger: debian is better than ubuntu in many ways. not the latest packages but one thing i like debian over other distro is that i can use debfoster to bring my system back to base. this way i can clean up junks i dont need on the system. ubuntu. theres the ubuntu-desktop package when you run debfoster. basically it removed everything. or nothing |
| 19:09.44 | benjamindees | stouset, but if the system boots fine in 2.4, you could patch the 2.4 kernel to kexec a 2.6 kernel from d-i I'm sure |
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| 19:10.07 | Ungy | pipeline no thanks I don't hate gentoo but it is not my first choice of linux distros |
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| 19:10.14 | hunger | Ungy: debian is the distri for me;-) I hate gentoo and can not stand rpm distris. |
| 19:10.42 | deadcat | Ungy: only i get to tell people to try #gentoo in #debian. |
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| 19:10.55 | hunger | deadcat: ubuntu-desktop is the base in ubuntu... |
| 19:10.57 | Ungy | hunger then you just wait until packages are deemed stable enough to be added to the distro |
| 19:11.16 | hunger | deadcat: Agreed, you can not trim out unnecessary stuff. |
| 19:11.16 | deadcat | hunger: exactly. base i mean no gui here. |
| 19:11.21 | Ungy | deadcat sorry didn't mean to stp on your toes |
| 19:11.27 | loulaptop | Last weekend i installed kubuntu on my son's computer ... very nice distro ... |
| 19:11.29 | deadcat | Ungy: its ok (= |
| 19:11.40 | stouset | loulaptop: well, except for the slight exception of KDE ;) |
| 19:12.00 | stouset | !start a dm war |
| 19:12.00 | dpkg | startx rocks! |
| 19:12.11 | loulaptop | For a 13-year old kid very usefull though. |
| 19:12.21 | PerfDave | It's very useful for us 25 year olds too :) |
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| 19:12.32 | deadcat | PerfDave: hehe |
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| 19:12.42 | stouset | Bah, everyone always says GNOME looks like it was made for 13 year olds. |
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| 19:12.54 | PerfDave | stouset: No, GNOME looks like it was made *by* 13 year olds ;) |
| 19:12.55 | EdibleText | foot fetish? |
| 19:12.56 | kov | anyone with experience in joysticks would be able to tell me if http://www.saitekusa.com/usa/prod/p220.htm would work in recent 2.6 linux kernels? |
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| 19:13.00 | stouset | Hahaha |
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| 19:13.14 | deadcat | loulaptop: i am pretty sure kubuntu/ubuntu is very nice for other people who wants to use linux or whatever, but just not for most of us here. |
| 19:13.15 | stouset | kov: It works, I have it. |
| 19:13.19 | paulswm | PerfDave: what, are you standing in for m wilson? :P |
| 19:13.19 | timo_ | is there some way to see what debian version is installed?+ |
| 19:13.22 | hunger | deadcat: Well, that does not make all the work by the ubuntu guys broken. Are their changes not incorporated into debian where deemed good. |
| 19:13.34 | kov | stouset: great to hear! thanks! |
| 19:13.35 | loulaptop | Nope ... Debian user myself for some time now |
| 19:13.36 | paulswm | timo_: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:13.40 | stouset | paulswm: I've always wondered. What about your wm? |
| 19:13.43 | PerfDave | paulswm: No, if I were I'd be slagging off *every* WM and DE ;) |
| 19:13.43 | stouset | kov: Ack, wait. |
| 19:13.48 | timo_ | paulswm: thanks |
| 19:13.50 | stouset | kov: I don't have that. Thought it was another model at first. |
| 19:13.59 | paulswm | stouset: gnome/metacity |
| 19:14.15 | timo_ | paulswm: it does not say "sarge", "etch" or something.. |
| 19:14.15 | kov | stouset: oops, so what do you have? |
| 19:14.19 | stouset | paulswm: Bah, missed the joke. :-) paulswm -> paul's wm |
| 19:14.22 | deadcat | /etc/debian_version now shows testing/unstable if you are actually using testing/unstable now. it was 3.1 for a while. |
| 19:14.31 | paulswm | timo_: 3.0 is woodt, 3.1 is sarge |
| 19:14.32 | stouset | kov: one of the joysticks. I think they share the same 220 model number, though |
| 19:14.32 | NOthsouth | hey guys, I'want to do some backups with tar, how did i just update the tar ? |
| 19:14.40 | PeTeRB | stouset: I've wondered about the same thing actually |
| 19:14.50 | Ungy | loulaptop whatever floats your boat people I know are afraid of Linux so I give them live cd's to try it out |
| 19:14.50 | timo_ | it is 3.1 but i use etch (testing) for what i know of |
| 19:14.54 | paulswm | stouset: Duh, I did indeed :) |
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| 19:15.06 | nbr | so why is there an option 'automatically fix broken packages' if aptitude does not do that? |
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| 19:15.20 | kov | Stormy: do you have the name so I can do some research? I've seen some joysticks which are a 'remake' of this same joystick |
| 19:15.21 | opqdonut | cdrecord says it doesn't work with 2.6. it doesn't detect my cdrw drive (with -scanbus). is there some other way i can burn cds? |
| 19:15.23 | kov | err |
| 19:15.24 | stouset | hunger: Of course. None of us (well, maybe some of us) are saying that Ubuntu is wrong in breaking compatibility with some Debian packages. That's their prerogative. Just that it's their responsibility to maintain compatibility if they so desire it. |
| 19:15.25 | kov | Stormy: sorry |
| 19:15.25 | paulswm | stouset: Cool, I could develop one and call it paulswm! |
| 19:15.31 | kov | stouset: do you have the name so I can do some research? I've seen some joysticks which are a 'remake' of this same joystick |
| 19:15.33 | loulaptop | My first distro was on floppies ... kernel 0.99 ... No debian at that time |
| 19:15.38 | stouset | paulswm: Oh, well fine :-( |
| 19:15.44 | stouset | paulswm: Hahaha, you should do that. |
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| 19:16.04 | stouset | opqdonut: cdrecord works with 2.6. I've been using it through frontends =P |
| 19:16.06 | PerfDave | stouset, hunger: Plus it would be more productive all round if they didn't ;) |
| 19:16.07 | neville_ | can anyone tell me how i can start applications (e.g. hotkeys) automatically? |
| 19:16.22 | nbr | so why is there an option 'automatically fix broken packages' if aptitude does not do that? |
| 19:16.31 | opqdonut | stouset: it only detects my sata hd and not my (ide i guess) cdrom (/dev/hdc) |
| 19:16.31 | stouset | kov: Well, it's a joystick rather than the gamepad. I think it's the Saitek X-25, though. I was wrong about the model number. |
| 19:16.33 | deadcat | i am sure ubuntu will start charging for some kind of services in the future (=.. its inevitable. |
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| 19:16.45 | stouset | PerfDave: If they didn't what? |
| 19:16.54 | opqdonut | deadcat: well, they do have millionaire backing... |
| 19:16.58 | PerfDave | stouset: Break compatiability :) |
| 19:17.03 | kov | I have the impression that all USB joysticks will simply work, like USB mouses |
| 19:17.04 | deadcat | first you get a taste of the ubuntu cocaine. then bam.. |
| 19:17.04 | stouset | opqdonut: Sorry, I don't have time to look. I kn ow it works on my system though =P |
| 19:17.06 | stouset | PerfDave: Ah, right. |
| 19:17.22 | deadcat | opqdonut: exactly. millionaire knows how to make $ |
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| 19:17.28 | kov | through the HID |
| 19:17.31 | opqdonut | any idea how to get cdrecord to notice my cd burner? |
| 19:17.36 | hunger | PerfDave: Well, they can hardly introduce gcc 4 without breaking compatibility:-) But the fixes they came up with might well be useful in debian once you are switching compilers... at that point debs get more compatible again. |
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| 19:18.04 | deadcat | opqdonut: kernel? |
| 19:18.05 | benjamindees | opqdonut, cdrecord -scanbus |
| 19:18.10 | PerfDave | hunger: I'm not talking about compiler versions. I didn't even know that Ubuntu were using gcc 4, nor that gcc 4 was incompatiable with the version in Debian. |
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| 19:18.29 | rumpl | just one more question, i have a laptop EasyNote with a Sis740 graphic card, now i saw somewhere that 2.6.x kernels have support for opengl for my card, is that true or i can dream on... |
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| 19:18.40 | hunger | PerfDave: c++ ABI seams to have changed once more. The usual stuff. |
| 19:18.55 | mysurfguide | Could anybody tell me what is new in the etch compared to sarge, kernel wise and such? |
| 19:19.06 | deadcat | mysurfguide: same for now |
| 19:19.08 | stouset | rumpl: Erm, I wasn't aware that graphics drivers were in the kernel (well, framebuffer ones). I believe graphics acceleration is entirely dealt with by X. |
| 19:19.11 | shingouz | mysurfguide: at the moment pretty much nothing |
| 19:19.12 | PerfDave | mysurfguide: Etch is currently near identical to sarge, since it's brand new. |
| 19:19.12 | benjamindees | mysurfguide, nothing, yet |
| 19:19.13 | mysurfguide | oh okay dead, same kernels as well? |
| 19:19.14 | stouset | mysurfguide: Nothing right now. |
| 19:19.15 | greycat | mysurfguide: nothing yet. SHEESH! It's only been a day! |
| 19:19.24 | stouset | mysurfguide: Pretend that Sarge was released yesterday. |
| 19:19.32 | gAri- | greycat: I had lot of experiment with nfs at the 2.4.20-25 era, but I have no idea about the stability of it. which one is better kernel or userspace? I have 2 linux boxes that will communicate with each other. actually in the past I had many bad experiences when one of the servers hung, and the other did strange things. what do you think? |
| 19:19.33 | mysurfguide | :) with 500 developers a day has a lot of features |
| 19:19.34 | stouset | mysurfguide: How much do you think has been changed yet? =P |
| 19:19.40 | deadcat | mysurfguide: you can always go to packages.debian.org to get the 2.6.11 if you like |
| 19:19.45 | rumpl | well in the kernel conf you have a dri section right??? |
| 19:19.47 | mysurfguide | not sure stouset :) |
| 19:19.50 | stouset | mysurfguide: Hell, it'll still be a week before anything ends up propagating back to test. |
| 19:19.52 | mysurfguide | ty dead |
| 19:20.01 | shingouz | mysurfguide: they have to sober up first ;) |
| 19:20.14 | greycat | gAri-: I have more experience with kernelspace server side. But as I said, linux's *client* side is where it's all shitty. |
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| 19:20.24 | deadcat | should i tell him about away? (= |
| 19:20.26 | stouset | rumpl: Hm, mayhaps. |
| 19:20.31 | PerfDave | !tell mysurfguide -about nick completion |
| 19:20.33 | PerfDave | !tell mysurfguide -about away |
| 19:20.35 | PerfDave | mysurfguide: :) |
| 19:20.42 | opqdonut | deadcat: kernel has ide cdrom support |
| 19:20.50 | opqdonut | benjamindees: that only shows my sata hd |
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| 19:21.19 | rumpl | stouset, of course, just that there is one guy who is making the drivers for sis cards, but he is not making the dri section... |
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| 19:22.16 | rumpl | stouset, it's the same guy who is making drivers for the kernel and for the X. |
| 19:22.19 | fas3r | do you know where it's possible to download netstumber for debian? |
| 19:22.31 | opqdonut | fas3r: use kismet |
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| 19:22.33 | MasterChief | I want to reinstall Debian because I messed it up. I want to use a MS-DOS disk to format the hardrive, I put in the floppy and type fdisk and delete all the partitions then I type FORMAT C: and it says invalid drive specification. Can someone help? |
| 19:22.37 | stouset | rumpl: Branden? :-) |
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| 19:22.49 | shingouz | fas3r: i doubt it would work, it is for windows |
| 19:22.50 | stouset | MasterChief: Why go through all that? |
| 19:22.57 | opqdonut | MasterChief: you deleted all partitiondso there is no C: |
| 19:22.58 | stouset | MasterChief: Just pop in the Debian CD and reinstall. |
| 19:23.01 | fas3r | opqdonut, it's impossible i use kismet , it's incompatible with my card |
| 19:23.04 | rumpl | stouset, Branden??? |
| 19:23.14 | opqdonut | fas3r: :( same here |
| 19:23.19 | stouset | rumpl: Branden Robinson. Pretty much did all X packaging single-handedly. |
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| 19:23.31 | greycat | !dpl |
| 19:23.31 | dpkg | DPL stands for Debian Project Leader, an elected position currently held by Branden Robinson ("Overfiend"). See <http://www.debian.org/devel/leader>. |
| 19:23.34 | stouset | rumpl: He's the new DPL. |
| 19:23.40 | shingouz | fas3r opqdonut: the only thing i can say is to run off to the store :( |
| 19:23.44 | benjamindees | opqdonut, rmmod ide_cd && modprobe ide_scsi && cdrecord -scanbus |
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| 19:24.09 | MasterChief | stouset, I want to get all the information off, and when I do that it still has a whole bunch of stuff on the hardrive. |
| 19:24.14 | rumpl | stouset, no it's sone guy from germany, winishofer or smtg |
| 19:24.20 | neville_ | Leaving |
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| 19:24.29 | neville_ | #Leaving |
| 19:24.37 | neville_ | ooops -) |
| 19:24.42 | PeTeRB | !tell neville_ about exit |
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| 19:24.53 | shingouz | MasterChief: you cannot use the msdos disk to format it. either run dd for a while from /dev/zero to /dev/yourhdd or do the fdisk from linux |
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| 19:25.08 | stouset | MasterChief: Well, by deleting all the partitions you've pretty much just shot yourself in the foot as far as getting information off of it is concerned. |
| 19:25.17 | fas3r | i use UR054g (inventel) if ione use |
| 19:25.18 | fas3r | ?? |
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| 19:25.27 | MasterChief | Oh, well what can I do? |
| 19:25.32 | stouset | MasterChief: And no, when you do that, it wipes everything off the hard drive. Assuming you tell it to. The installer knows how to format partitions. |
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| 19:25.36 | pipeline | stouset, MasterChief : No he hasn't. If he can remember the partition table, he can get a lot of data... |
| 19:25.47 | shingouz | MasterChief: dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 19:25.50 | zpn | fedora rocks! |
| 19:25.54 | MasterChief | ok |
| 19:25.56 | zpn | but not like debian! |
| 19:25.57 | stouset | MasterChief: Pop in the Debian CD, tell it to blow away the hard disks and install. |
| 19:25.57 | opqdonut | benjamindees: i thought i don't need ide_scsi in 2.6... |
| 19:26.05 | stouset | MasterChief: If you still need to recover, DO NOT FOLLOW SHINGOUZ's instructions. |
| 19:26.06 | shingouz | MasterChief: that is if you want to delete everything on the hd |
| 19:27.14 | pipeline | stouset, MasterChief : If he just used fdisk and not format, the data is still there. |
| 19:27.14 | rumpl | i guess nobodu can help me thanks anyway... |
| 19:27.14 | PeTeRB | zpn: And there are also gray rocks, and white rocks... |
| 19:27.14 | deadcat | zpn: wrong channel to say fedora rocks |
| 19:27.14 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 19:27.14 | stouset | MasterChief: If you still need to recover, pipeline is correct. You've fucked up majorly by deleting the partitions, but it's still possible to recover if you remember *exactly* how you partitioned it originally however long ago. |
| 19:27.14 | dpkg | from memory, debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 19:27.14 | zpn | but i like debain better...doesn't that count?! |
| 19:27.15 | shingouz | !debain |
| 19:27.15 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 19:27.15 | gAri- | graycat: too bad,any special opinions how to use it safely? |
| 19:27.15 | PeTeRB | !botsnack |
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| 19:27.29 | vchrizz | could anyone help me with openvpn? everytime the client is connecting on the server, the internet connection of the client is lost (ifconfig: http://rafb.net/paste/results/4BYCoc86.html) |
| 19:27.33 | simonrvn | @killl zpn |
| 19:27.34 | shingouz | PeTeRB: you guess he is busy |
| 19:27.40 | shingouz | s/you/i |
| 19:27.40 | simonrvn | @kill zpn |
| 19:27.44 | jasoncohen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.48 | pipeline | stouset, MasterChief : Actually, as long as it's not FAT, he should be able to recover some data if he remembers even parts of the partition table. |
| 19:27.55 | stouset | shingouz: Besides, it's better to use /dev/random with dd. That was you can try to execute your hard disk and see what happens :-) |
| 19:28.03 | zpn | lol why the hatred? |
| 19:28.03 | fas3r | and what's the equivalence of netstumber (dstumbler)?? |
| 19:28.13 | pipeline | MasterChief: How was the drive partitioned before you started fooling around with it? What do you remember? |
| 19:28.14 | shingouz | stouset: yea but it takes forever with random |
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| 19:28.19 | stouset | zpn: Because this isn't he place for it. |
| 19:28.20 | tyranix | MasterChief: Hmmm have you tried gpart? IIRC it is intended to be used in your situation where the partition table is messed up. |
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| 19:28.35 | stouset | shingouz: Yeah, it's best to do it with floppies. |
| 19:28.42 | zpn | lo siento hombre |
| 19:28.46 | simonrvn | zpn: hatred? why do you say that? and besides, you're the one that started trolling |
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| 19:28.51 | zpn | DEBIAN ROOOOOOCKS! |
| 19:29.01 | greycat | we know. |
| 19:29.02 | nbr | dillo is awesome. |
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| 19:29.06 | shingouz | stouset: i have a few people i would like to dd from random though... |
| 19:29.06 | stouset | zpn: And? |
| 19:29.09 | nbr | thanks for the suggestion. |
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| 19:29.15 | opqdonut | nbr: very true |
| 19:29.17 | stouset | shingouz: Actually, that's what /dev/null is for. |
| 19:29.18 | fwest | i wish i had been paying attension to the news, i half upgraded a production box to sarge |
| 19:29.38 | stouset | fwest: Hahaha. |
| 19:29.48 | opqdonut | shingouz: urandom is better if you're not so picky about the results :) |
| 19:29.51 | shingouz | stouset: i was thinking of random because if they get randomized often enough they might start showing some sense |
| 19:29.57 | ralf | fwest: you should use 'woody' instead of 'stable' |
| 19:30.00 | greycat | fwest: you should have moved it from 'stable' to 'woody' weeks ago if you wanted it to stay at 3.0 |
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| 19:30.04 | nbr | can i ask, how do you address people when you want to say something to them (with the colon and different colour) |
| 19:30.19 | greycat | nbr: it's your client that does the color. |
| 19:30.20 | EdibleText | nbr, like this? |
| 19:30.25 | shingouz | !tell nbr about nicktab |
| 19:30.26 | fwest | ralf, greycat, i thought i had, just i had missed an entry |
| 19:30.32 | stouset | fwest: That's why you pay attention when doing that kind of stuff. If you want to track woody, track woody rather than stable :-) And if you see an apt-get dist-upgrade that's 120 rows long, you might think something is up ;) |
| 19:30.36 | opqdonut | nbr: what client are you on? |
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| 19:31.01 | nbr | shingouz, thanks. |
| 19:31.03 | plugwash | stouset i agree but why doesn't the installer ask you? |
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| 19:31.09 | nbr | i'm using xchat. |
| 19:31.10 | shingouz | nbr: np |
| 19:31.20 | plugwash | shouldn't the installer be asking if you want to track stable or track sarge? |
| 19:31.25 | opqdonut | nbr: oh. try irssi sometime. it's great |
| 19:31.27 | fwest | stouset, all i did was install nfs-common |
| 19:31.39 | stouset | plugwash: Ask you what? |
| 19:31.43 | fwest | i just thought they were security updates |
| 19:31.45 | vvviper|a | nbr: use tab |
| 19:31.45 | nbr | is it a hog? i'm only running a P166 . |
| 19:31.53 | stouset | fwest: That would be a hell of a lot of security updates :-) |
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| 19:32.02 | vvviper|a | use tab like bash completion |
| 19:32.04 | PeTeRB | nbr: It's faster than xchat ;) |
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| 19:32.23 | shingouz | stop bitching, xchat is decent on a 133 |
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| 19:32.31 | Belboz99 | Hey all |
| 19:32.33 | fwest | stouset, well i've done 76 hours straight, eh bummer, but it didn't kill the machine, |
| 19:32.34 | plugwash | stouset if it should use the version name (sarge) or the stream name (stable) when making your sources.list |
| 19:32.35 | stouset | shingouz: irssi is better, though :-) |
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| 19:32.37 | nbr | yeah, xchat seems to be pretty responsive. |
| 19:32.39 | stouset | fwest: Ouch. |
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| 19:32.56 | opqdonut | shingouz: like webmin is decent on a dedicated firewall box :) |
| 19:32.58 | Belboz99 | just checking, anyone have any idea why Sarge would cause certain applications to stop recognizing SSE? |
| 19:33.00 | shingouz | stouset: i have my own reasons not to use irssi but i think you have a point ther |
| 19:33.02 | stouset | plugwash: What do you mean when making your sources.list? Pretty much everyone uses a text editor. |
| 19:33.05 | fwest | stouset, they joys of getting a site live |
| 19:33.09 | PerfDave | SSE? |
| 19:33.10 | shingouz | webmin? eugh |
| 19:33.15 | stouset | plugwash: You want nano and vi and vim and elvis and emacs and xemacs to all include code for that? ;) |
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| 19:33.22 | Belboz99 | yeah PerfDave |
| 19:33.22 | opqdonut | shingouz: exactly :)) |
| 19:33.24 | Ungy | wow you guys run X on 166 and 133's? |
| 19:33.27 | stouset | fwest: At least it wasn't a current production box. |
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| 19:33.38 | PeTeRB | Ungy: 100 here ;) |
| 19:33.40 | stouset | shingouz: As do I. I use gaim =P |
| 19:33.40 | plugwash | stouset i mean when base-config makes the sources.list |
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| 19:33.40 | shingouz | Ungy: on a 486dx4-100 laptop tooo |
| 19:33.43 | opqdonut | Ungy: dual 133 mind you |
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| 19:33.49 | fwest | stouset, it jut went into production :S |
| 19:33.54 | stouset | fwest: Hahaha. |
| 19:33.58 | shingouz | opqdonut: you too? what you have there? |
| 19:33.59 | stouset | fwest: Well, why not complete the upgrade? |
| 19:34.05 | Ungy | holy crap I thought my 600 Celery server was outdated |
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| 19:34.08 | jasoncohen | why would an entry in /etc/cron.d not show up in crontab -l as the user the job is being run as? |
| 19:34.11 | Belboz99 | I'm using a distribued computing project on an AMD 2400+, and it stopped reconizing SSE when I updated to Sarge |
| 19:34.19 | opqdonut | shingouz: dual 133 pentium box. 128m ram, 8g scsi drives. |
| 19:34.20 | higiker | Hey guys, thanks for the help with the init.d stuff. I did some reading and got it worked out. Another problem: after typing "make dep" there are a bunch of errors, so many that it scrolls and I can't see the top couple. Can a send stderr to a file like stdout? |
| 19:34.21 | stouset | jasoncohen: Because that's the way cron works. |
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| 19:34.34 | stouset | jasoncohen: crontab -l only shows what's in the USER'S PERSONAL CRONTAB like I told you an hour ago. |
| 19:34.34 | opqdonut | shingouz: not in active use anymore :( |
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| 19:34.38 | simonrvn | jasoncohen: because /etc/cron.d isn't part of any user's crontab |
| 19:34.40 | stouset | jasoncohen: not in statically configured crons |
| 19:34.46 | greycat | Ungy: our mail server is a pII 400. was a pentium 166 a year ago. |
| 19:34.49 | jasoncohen | stouset, even if it's 0 4 * * * root |
| 19:34.50 | fwest | stouset, its not a disaster or anything just a near one if anything had gone wrong |
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| 19:34.57 | stouset | jasoncohen: It's *not in the user's personal crontab* |
| 19:35.01 | greycat | was a 486 SX 25 4 years ago. |
| 19:35.02 | shingouz | opqdonut: IBM PCServer320 pci/eisa, dual P1-133, 256M ram with triple scsi channels. about 20G of drive |
| 19:35.04 | stouset | jasoncohen: It's a system-administrator configured crontab. |
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| 19:35.07 | Ungy | greycat hillarious qmail? |
| 19:35.15 | jasoncohen | ok, i thought if it was run as root it's in root's crontab |
| 19:35.16 | PerfDave | higiker: Yes, /msg dpkg bash proramming |
| 19:35.16 | shingouz | opqdonut: i am on the ibm right now.. |
| 19:35.19 | stouset | fwest: Well, aren't you glad you're using Debian now? ;) |
| 19:35.22 | opqdonut | shingouz: haven't been able to find more old scsi drives. |
| 19:35.23 | PerfDave | higiker: Why are you compiling something? :) |
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| 19:35.38 | nbr | hey, now synaptic says that i have no broken packages. good. |
| 19:35.41 | shingouz | opqdonut: they are a pain in the ass to find but they are there |
| 19:35.42 | jasoncohen | stouset, sorry for the confusion |
| 19:35.42 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 19:35.43 | dpkg | hmm... debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 19:35.49 | kyu | Hi guys :) I get "X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X " when i try to start up x11, what kind of file should that be? a symlink to XFree86? |
| 19:35.49 | greycat | Ungy: I converted it to qmail after I arrived a bit over 4 years ago. it was sendmail on red hat 5.2 on a 486 sx 25 at the time I got here. |
| 19:35.52 | opqdonut | shingouz: mine makes such noise i can't bear it :) even the hostname is noise |
| 19:35.59 | Belboz99 | well, I guess no one knows |
| 19:36.02 | greycat | kyu: install x-window-system-core |
| 19:36.04 | Belboz99 | I might check back later |
| 19:36.05 | stouset | jasoncohen: It's okay. =P It's just that I told you all this an hour ago, haha. |
| 19:36.08 | fwest | stouset, i've been using debian since 97 |
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| 19:36.15 | kyu | grey: i did that |
| 19:36.16 | Ungy | greycat hahahah nice well maybe if they give you a real machine you can install postfix ;-) |
| 19:36.18 | fwest | stouset, i wouldn't touch anything else |
| 19:36.19 | tarzeau | fwest: quite long! |
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| 19:36.29 | fwest | i think i started on version 1.2 |
| 19:36.30 | tarzeau | fwest: did #debian exist by theN? |
| 19:36.33 | kurtak | So if there are quite a few "Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected!" messages during patching, is it better to reverse, or not to?? |
| 19:36.38 | launch | Can i know a linux program for MSN please |
| 19:36.38 | fwest | tarzeau, yes, |
| 19:36.39 | stouset | fwest: Neat. Well, I only say that because Debian is the only distro I know of that fully supports (and recommends) the upgrade path. Everything else I know borks horribly. |
| 19:36.42 | shingouz | opqdonut: i do not mind, my cd-burner makes a lot more noise. Compaq Prosignia 486 with a Kingston TurboChip and four HP scsi drives in it. howls like a banshee ;) |
| 19:36.42 | deadcat | kyu: do you have a window manager? |
| 19:36.43 | kyu | I'll reinstall it, thanks |
| 19:36.44 | PerfDave | Belboz99: /msg dpkg further help |
| 19:36.45 | higiker | yes, the kernel actually... ;) I know it must seem strange to be doing such a complex task and asking such a beginner question. |
| 19:36.45 | stouset | launch: gaim |
| 19:36.47 | greycat | Ungy: the pII 400 box was my desktop PC. I moved the hard disk into it after they upgraded my desktop box to a pIII. |
| 19:36.50 | launch | thanks |
| 19:36.52 | deadcat | launch: apt-cache search |
| 19:37.00 | jasoncohen | stouset, i'm trying to see if cron-apt is working so i set it to run every 5 minutes and send email to me if output is generated...so far, nothing |
| 19:37.04 | fwest | stouset, my home server has gone from hamm |
| 19:37.11 | kyu | dead: Yeah, just switched over from netbsd, not a complete noob, just unfamilliar :) |
| 19:37.26 | Belboz99 | thanks PerfDave |
| 19:37.29 | nbr | ok, if i'm not going to use firefox, how do i remove it? |
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| 19:37.35 | PerfDave | higiker: Why are you compiling a kernel? Debian provides kernel-image packages which should be ideal for just about everything. And if they're not, you're best off using kernel-source packages with the make-kpkg utility :) |
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| 19:37.37 | stouset | jasoncohen: Every 5 minutes? Sheez. |
| 19:37.39 | greycat | nbr: aptitude, apt-get, dselect |
| 19:37.42 | deadcat | kyu: then check the logs in /var/logs (= |
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| 19:37.46 | stouset | fwest: Wow. |
| 19:37.48 | opqdonut | still no luck with the cdrw drive, even with ide-scsi loaded... |
| 19:37.50 | jasoncohen | nbr, apt-get remove mozilla-firefox |
| 19:37.51 | greycat | deadcat: no 's' |
| 19:37.56 | deadcat | doh |
| 19:37.56 | stouset | !custom kernel |
| 19:37.56 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 19:38.00 | jasoncohen | stouset, just for testing purposes |
| 19:38.02 | Ungy | greycat nice I have 3 e-mail servers all Dual PIII 800 with 2 gigs of ram |
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| 19:38.15 | stouset | jasoncohen: Have you tried running the script manually? |
| 19:38.21 | jasoncohen | stouset, yeah, it works fine |
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| 19:38.35 | fwest | stouset, i used to run the largest e-commerce hosting environment in the uk, how i've got a lovely mobile hosting environment oh the joys of java apps |
| 19:38.36 | jasoncohen | stouset, i see output in /var/log/cron-apt/log and i get an email with output |
| 19:38.36 | stouset | jasoncohen: check system logs? |
| 19:38.41 | opqdonut | there's no kernel images for 2.6.11.11. THAT's why i compile my own |
| 19:38.42 | Ungy | greycat I spend a lot of time getting bitched at if someone doesn;t get their mail fast enough |
| 19:38.45 | deadcat | greycat: usually completion and bash will fix my cli errors |
| 19:38.51 | jasoncohen | stouset, but i see nothing when it's supposed to be running cron |
| 19:38.53 | stouset | jasoncohen: syslog (or auth.log) should show when cron starts doing things, AFAIK |
| 19:39.07 | stouset | opqdonut: Yes, because it's a dire need for you to have 2.6.11.11 immediately =P |
| 19:39.09 | hoarycripple | did the security.debian.org repo change? I keep getting 404's |
| 19:39.19 | opqdonut | stouset: actually yes |
| 19:39.21 | deadcat | opqdonut: 2.6.11 is basically the smae as 2.6.11.11. did you read the changelog see whats changed? else why the fuck you want to compile |
| 19:39.31 | stouset | opqdonut: What changed that you need? |
| 19:39.43 | simonrvn | deadcat: there are times where auto-complete won't work because you're in sh; you'll have a hard time if you don't know where shit is |
| 19:39.47 | shingouz | hoarycripple: what version you on? stable? testing? |
| 19:39.47 | opqdonut | last i checked 2.6.8 was latest available as image |
| 19:39.52 | deadcat | stouset: he need CONFIG_1337=y |
| 19:39.55 | stouset | hoarycripple: non-US no longer exists |
| 19:39.55 | hoarycripple | shingouz, testing |
| 19:40.02 | simonrvn | hoarycripple: drop non-us |
| 19:40.08 | deadcat | simonrvn: hahah. |
| 19:40.11 | shingouz | hoarycripple: no security updates anymore, sarge went stable already |
| 19:40.12 | stouset | deadcat: CONFIG_UB3R=m is also recommended |
| 19:40.15 | jasoncohen | Jun 7 15:40:01 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[2713]: (root) CMD (test -x /usr/sbin/cron-apt && /usr/sbin/cron-apt /etc/cron-apt/config2) |
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| 19:40.23 | jasoncohen | stouset, i guess it's running but it's not working |
| 19:40.24 | opqdonut | when i use 2.6.11 i don't need to patch touchpad stuff. also ipw2200 requires quite new kernels |
| 19:40.31 | simonrvn | deadcat: i'm not joking |
| 19:40.35 | Ungy | 2.6.11.1-1 turned my sound from stereo to Mono ;-( |
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| 19:40.40 | stouset | jasoncohen: :-) |
| 19:40.45 | hoarycripple | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main |
| 19:40.46 | deadcat | opqdonut: you can compile the ipw2200 module yourself. |
| 19:40.46 | hoarycripple | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.51 | hoarycripple | that;s the line I have |
| 19:40.53 | stouset | opqdonut: bullshit on ipw2200 =P |
| 19:40.53 | PeTeRB | deadcat: AFAIK irssi has filename completion too :/ |
| 19:40.54 | deadcat | simonrvn: i never use sh (=. |
| 19:40.56 | kyu | Ok, so i reinstalled x-window-system-core and X is still complaining about /etc/X11/X :/ |
| 19:40.57 | stouset | opqdonut: I'm using it myself. |
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| 19:41.02 | opqdonut | stouset: oh? |
| 19:41.08 | simonrvn | deadcat: sure |
| 19:41.16 | kyu | What is /etc/X11/X? Can someone give me 'file' output or tell me what it points to? |
| 19:41.23 | stouset | opqdonut: ipw2200-source compiled fine on everything from 2.6.3 (when I got this laptop) to 2.6.11. |
| 19:41.25 | higiker | PerfDave: thanks for the help, I'm gonna go read that Bash Intro |
| 19:41.31 | shingouz | hoarycripple: you cannot use non-us or the security thingies anymore, sarge went stable yesterday and the non-us has been merged into main |
| 19:41.37 | stouset | opqdonut: I'm running it on 2.6.8 right now. |
| 19:41.37 | PerfDave | higiker: No worries. |
| 19:41.45 | jello | kyu: x-window-system |
| 19:41.50 | hoarycripple | ok, got it...thank you! |
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| 19:41.58 | paulswm | kyu: X -> /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 19:42.01 | nbr | does linux come with java? |
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| 19:42.01 | opqdonut | stouset: so am i on the other box. i just grabbed the latest :) |
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| 19:42.18 | stouset | openfly: Then why do you need 2.6.11.11? |
| 19:42.19 | opqdonut | nbr: well, installing is abit tricky sometimes |
| 19:42.34 | nbr | so i couldn't use, say, limewire? |
| 19:42.49 | kyu | jello: Thanks, it'll take a while though, the joys of living in a remote part of scotland with no dsl :'( |
| 19:42.51 | deadcat | nbr: sun.com |
| 19:42.53 | kyu | heh |
| 19:43.00 | opqdonut | stouset: ok i give up i'm trying the kernel-image |
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| 19:43.11 | stouset | opqdonut: The only reason we're being so skeptical is because we hear this kind of stuff forty times a day, where people compile their kernel for no reason and experience problems 99/100 times. |
| 19:43.13 | shingouz | kyu: get a sat connection ;) |
| 19:43.15 | Ungy | nbr /msg dpkg java-package |
| 19:43.18 | benjamindees | nbr, gnut is better |
| 19:43.23 | stouset | opqdonut: Which is why we have !custom kernel and !rolling your own factoids |
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| 19:43.25 | stouset | !custom kernel |
| 19:43.25 | dpkg | read http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html#Why and read "Debian" when it has "OpenBSD", or see <debian kernel image> |
| 19:43.28 | stouset | !rolling your own |
| 19:43.28 | dpkg | [rolling your own] usually a bad idea, unless you're using make-kpkg on one of Debian's kernel-source packages. Unless you know what you're doing AND have a really compelling reason, there is just no goddamn point |
| 19:43.31 | PerfDave | nbr: Debian comes with several Free Java SDKs, and a tool to use non-Free Javas such as Sun's as Debian packages. |
| 19:43.37 | kyu | shingouz: Let me rephrase, "the joys of being unemployed and living in a remote part of scotland" :) |
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| 19:43.56 | shingouz | kyu: acceptable excuse |
| 19:44.01 | deadcat | limwire is teh easiest p2p software to use. those apt-get ones confused the hell out of me |
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| 19:44.09 | ik-ppc | hi any one knows any australian chanels? |
| 19:44.13 | jasoncohen | stouset, when i run cron-apt manually it runs fine. when i run it through cron with /usr/sbin/cron-apt it fails. i don't get it |
| 19:44.14 | PerfDave | !au |
| 19:44.15 | dpkg | i heard au is gold. Australia, or a small island with mini-lines when it comes to internet |
| 19:44.25 | stouset | jasoncohen: user permissions? |
| 19:44.28 | kyu | shingouz: I swear on my life i installed gentoo over 56k on a 300mhz machine once. Compiled for like 70 hours :S |
| 19:44.32 | nbr | so i can use software that is done in java, but not compile it? |
| 19:44.34 | kugg | !2600 |
| 19:44.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, 2600 is a great magazine published by the people at http://www.2600.org/ |
| 19:44.34 | jasoncohen | stouset, it's being run as root |
| 19:44.39 | stouset | jasoncohen: You sure? |
| 19:44.41 | kyu | Patience is a virtue i guess :/ |
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| 19:44.45 | shingouz | kyu: the joys of gentoo |
| 19:44.50 | deadcat | kyu: 70hr if you have a fast machine. yours aint fast (= |
| 19:44.50 | opqdonut | stouset: i've just had some bad experiences from redhat with initrd borking :/ |
| 19:45.00 | jasoncohen | stouset, */5 * * * * root /usr/sbin/cron-apt |
| 19:45.07 | kyu | deadcat: this was stage3 :) |
| 19:45.11 | deadcat | haha |
| 19:45.15 | kyu | So it was mostly userland i was compiling |
| 19:45.15 | polm | I am running Gnome as my Desktop Environment, but I have recently started using a couple KDE applications (specifically the KDE Cd Burn app KDB) . How can I manipulate the appearance of my KDE applications ? |
| 19:45.17 | opqdonut | kyu: downloading a gentoo iso atm :) |
| 19:45.17 | stouset | opqdonut: Debian's initrd is quite stable. |
| 19:45.28 | jasoncohen | stouset, doesn't that line mean it's running as root? |
| 19:45.36 | stouset | jasoncohen: I think so =\ |
| 19:45.37 | opqdonut | stouset: i know. it's just a superstition |
| 19:45.55 | PerfDave | nbr: Some Java applications, like Eclipse, work with Free Java implementations. These implementations are easy to install on Debian. Others require non-Free implementations. These are less easy to install on Debian, but still quite easy if you can stomach the license terms. |
| 19:46.07 | kyu | opq: I quite enjoyed setting up gentoo, although if you sneeze too hard near it you'll be rebuilding everything, and i know that's the point. ;) |
| 19:46.17 | ralf | polm: you can make gnome apps looks like kde ones, but not kde apps looks like gnome one, so use kde ;) |
| 19:46.28 | stouset | jasoncohen: Wish I could help. cron-apt worked for me out of the box. |
| 19:46.29 | paulswm | !qotd77 |
| 19:46.29 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd77 is <bullet> woohoo here goes dist-upgrade.. this seems so fast after doing an emerge world -e in gentoo |
| 19:46.31 | kyu | ick, kde. |
| 19:46.37 | polm | ralf: your |
| 19:46.42 | opqdonut | i'm trying gentoo on this laptop b/c my display card is only supported in the nearly newest xorg |
| 19:46.43 | polm | ralf: your'e kidding me, right ? |
| 19:47.04 | stouset | opqdonut: Bah, you don't need a video card. |
| 19:47.08 | ralf | polm: nope, there is a gtk-qt theme |
| 19:47.13 | jasoncohen | stouset, when i run cron-apt from webmin it just sits there and never finishes |
| 19:47.17 | stouset | opqdonut: Just do X over a serial cable. |
| 19:47.19 | opqdonut | stouset: the vesa driver is abit slow :) |
| 19:47.21 | PerfDave | opqdonut: It might be worth checking with Debian's XFree86, which has many drivers backported from xorg. |
| 19:47.28 | opqdonut | stouset: im not hc enuff |
| 19:47.28 | ralf | but i have never seen a qt-gtk one |
| 19:47.32 | polm | ralf: are you saying that KDE uses GTK themes for it's appearance ? |
| 19:47.38 | opqdonut | PerfDave: using i atm |
| 19:47.54 | kyu | opqdonut, can't you do that in debian? :) |
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| 19:47.57 | ralf | polm: there is a gtk theme that use your kde one |
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| 19:48.04 | ralf | with Qt paintings |
| 19:48.11 | polm | ralf: ahhh...KDE = QT , and GNOME = GTK ? |
| 19:48.17 | stouset | jasoncohen: Wish I could help you, there. I have no clue at this point. All I can say is make sure EVERYTHING that you do to get cron-apt to execute through cron is what you do to get it to work through cron. |
| 19:48.17 | ralf | polm: yes |
| 19:48.23 | stouset | er, what you do to get it to work manaully |
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| 19:48.28 | stouset | Hell, even check shell variables. |
| 19:48.31 | opqdonut | kyu: compiled a xorg by hand but i have problems... |
| 19:48.56 | jasoncohen | stouset, i'm going to purge cron-apt and reinstall |
| 19:49.07 | polm | ralf: so why can't I still manipulate my QTY config to change the appearance of my KDE apps ? |
| 19:49.25 | ralf | polm: you can make them similar, but not the same |
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| 19:49.33 | ralf | you can change fonts and colors |
| 19:49.36 | stouset | jasoncohen: Sounds prudent. |
| 19:49.37 | polm | ralf: ahh...that'll work. |
| 19:49.40 | stouset | jasoncohen: Also, check the BTS. |
| 19:49.43 | stouset | jasoncohen: Might be something there. |
| 19:49.45 | ralf | but the widgets will still kdeish |
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| 19:50.07 | stouset | ralf: Aye. |
| 19:50.11 | sultrix | hey has anyone here ever had any luck setting up a USB Alcatel Speedtouch 330 adsl modem in debian ? |
| 19:50.19 | PerfDave | polm: You should be able to run kcontrol under Gnome to alter the appearance of KDE applications. |
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| 19:50.25 | ralf | stouset: ? |
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| 19:50.31 | jazzcat | hello |
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| 19:50.59 | stouset | PerfDave: Or alternatively just drop KDE apps altogether ;) |
| 19:51.01 | polm | PerfDave: what about the "qt3-config" app ? |
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| 19:51.27 | Granden | I ahve created a group called ssh and when I tries to create a user that shall be a memebr to it I write adduser dryan ssh right? |
| 19:51.39 | PeTeRB | Granden: man adduser |
| 19:51.43 | PerfDave | stouset: If there were any good alternatives ;) |
| 19:51.46 | polm | PerfDave: I meant "qt3-qtconfig" |
| 19:51.47 | stouset | Granden: adduser -G ssh dryan |
| 19:51.53 | PerfDave | polm: No idea, I don't use Gnome ;) |
| 19:51.59 | stouset | Granden: Unless you want their primary group to be SSH. |
| 19:52.01 | jazzcat | has someone had a message like this kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block " when trying to boot 2.6.11.x ? |
| 19:52.18 | EdibleText | IDE support as modules? |
| 19:52.24 | Granden | what you mean with primary group? |
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| 19:52.41 | PerfDave | jazzcat: That probably means that you screwed up compiling your own kernel. If that's the case, just use a kernel-image package. |
| 19:52.48 | stouset | jazzcat: You compiled your own kernel, and you forgot to include your (ide or sata controller|hard drive|filesystem) module in the kernel. |
| 19:52.49 | EdibleText | jazzcat, or perhaps fs support as modules |
| 19:52.57 | shingouz | jazzcat: you do not have the necessary things in the kernel for i tto see the root filesystem. debian kernel? |
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| 19:53.18 | stouset | opqdonut: See what I mean? |
| 19:53.24 | EdibleText | jazzcat, nows a goodtime to boot: linuxOLD and recompile ;) |
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| 19:53.45 | Granden | When I do this adduser -G ssh dryan it is ssh that is the gorup right? |
| 19:54.18 | jazzcat | ok thank you all :) i'll try with stouset said, probably that's the problem |
| 19:54.22 | simonrvn | man adduser |
| 19:54.28 | stouset | jazzcat: I didn't recommend you do anything. |
| 19:54.40 | stouset | jazzcat: If I recommended anything, it would be to use a Debian packaged kernel, and not your own. |
| 19:54.49 | stouset | !rolling your own |
| 19:54.49 | dpkg | [rolling your own] usually a bad idea, unless you're using make-kpkg on one of Debian's kernel-source packages. Unless you know what you're doing AND have a really compelling reason, there is just no goddamn point |
| 19:55.16 | jazzcat | well you said i forgot including ide suport |
| 19:55.34 | stouset | jazzcat: I did. I didn't say you should go back and include (ide|ext3|sata|etc) support. |
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| 19:56.00 | jazzcat | stouset: ok ok |
| 19:56.01 | stouset | jazzcat: At this point you've already spent how much time getting it to work? With no guarantee that this will fix all of your problems? |
| 19:56.11 | shingouz | jazzcat: remember to put in the filesystem too. ext2 and 3 or whatever you have as root. they have to be statically there unless you really want to start screwing around with initrd |
| 19:56.29 | jazzcat | shingouz: i already did it |
| 19:56.31 | stouset | jazzcat: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-<arch> will take about three minutes (on a reasonably fast connection) and is virtually guaranteed to work. |
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| 19:56.49 | websdale | If my sources.list has always said "testing" then my "sarge" distro has become "etch" - that is true isn't it? I just want to be 100% sure:) |
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| 19:56.54 | shingouz | jazzcat: just install a debian kernel and you have the system up in no time |
| 19:56.55 | jazzcat | stouset: in spain we do not have "reasonably fast" connections |
| 19:57.04 | shingouz | websdale: yes |
| 19:57.06 | stouset | jazzcat: In that case, 5-10 minutes =P |
| 19:57.06 | bbrazil | websdale: yes |
| 19:57.08 | PerfDave | websdale: It's probably not too late to change it to "sarge". |
| 19:57.16 | Ungy | jazzcat move? |
| 19:57.19 | stouset | jazzcat: In fact, less time than it took to fetch the kernel sources. |
| 19:58.02 | launch | what is the special file to know some information about what we got in our PC, i dont think its cpuinfo but another in the same directory |
| 19:58.04 | websdale | PerfDave: no,itsOK, I know its a bit obvious but its easy to be wrong :) Thanks everyone! |
| 19:58.16 | jazzcat | stouset: well well, i'll try first compiling it on my own and if a don't reach it then i will get a precompiled kernel |
| 19:58.16 | tarzeau | DAMNED SHEEP |
| 19:58.18 | stouset | launch: Be specific. What information do you want? |
| 19:58.25 | shingouz | tarzeau: baaa |
| 19:58.27 | stouset | jazzcat: I still don't see why you're bothering. |
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| 19:58.44 | stouset | jazzcat: We all have limited time on this planet. Time that has far better uses than compiling things that don't need to be. |
| 19:58.58 | cahoot | like ircing? |
| 19:58.59 | simonrvn | tarzeau: leave the sheep alone |
| 19:59.07 | launch | stouset my soundcard model and a website to learn about sound on linux, |
| 19:59.08 | PerfDave | Like ice skating! :) |
| 19:59.12 | stouset | cahoot: Or convincing people not to compile their kernels. |
| 19:59.16 | jazzcat | stouset: it's only an ego question |
| 19:59.31 | tarzeau | shingouz, simonrvn some moron dragon ate the sheep, and now ALL POINTS I CATCHED was double subtracted from my score! |
| 19:59.36 | cahoot | PerfDave: that's a worthwhile activity - yes |
| 19:59.41 | stouset | launch: type "lspci" and look through for something that looks like "audio controller" or "multimedia controller" or whatever. |
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| 19:59.51 | shingouz | tarzeau: ouch, that sucks. kill the dragon? |
| 19:59.56 | paulswm | Yum, sheep. |
| 19:59.59 | simonrvn | tarzeau: the dragon was propbably hungry |
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| 20:00.08 | stouset | jazzcat: Ego nothing. The number of kernels you've compiled is not a measure of the size of your Internet penis. |
| 20:00.08 | simonrvn | s/op/o/ |
| 20:00.11 | paulswm | o.O |
| 20:00.26 | lawnchair | vpenis |
| 20:00.31 | launch | stouset thanks ! did u know a website to know what put in the kernel all the option, and the gnome sound controller.. |
| 20:00.41 | simonrvn | ipenis, itunes, ... |
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| 20:00.53 | stouset | launch: The debian precompiled kernels should have everything you need in them. |
| 20:00.54 | paulswm | s/jern/kern/ |
| 20:00.57 | EdibleText | ePenix |
| 20:01.03 | launch | ok thx |
| 20:01.06 | shingouz | fsck.. and galeon crashes again... looks like it does not like staying up and running for more than a couple of weeks at a time |
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| 20:02.03 | jazzcat | sotouset: luckily i have not problems with my penis measure :) i'm satisfied |
| 20:02.07 | nbr | hm. this dillo browser doesn't do dropdown menus, i guess? |
| 20:02.08 | stouset | dpkg, iPenis is what folks on IRC use to flout their egos. It's usually directly measured by the number of kernels compiled in one's lifetime. |
| 20:02.09 | dpkg | stouset: okay |
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| 20:02.14 | stouset | !ipenis |
| 20:02.15 | dpkg | [ipenis] what folks on IRC use to flout their egos. It's usually directly measured by the number of kernels compiled in one's lifetime. |
| 20:02.15 | tarzeau | nbr: sure it does |
| 20:02.19 | tarzeau | nbr: it's gtk |
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| 20:02.33 | shingouz | i am afraid to ask wtf is an ePenis then |
| 20:02.41 | EdibleText | now we need an iPenis cmd |
| 20:02.47 | paulswm | Heh |
| 20:02.47 | EdibleText | s/we/dpkg/ |
| 20:02.48 | stouset | jazzcat: Then don't bother with this, and go outside and get some fresh air. Like I said, there are better uses of your time. |
| 20:02.49 | tarzeau | nbr: www.linuks.mine.nu/screenshots/dillo.png |
| 20:03.04 | stouset | dpkg, ePenis is a crappy iPenis knockoff. |
| 20:03.04 | dpkg | okay, stouset |
| 20:03.09 | stouset | shingouz: happy? |
| 20:03.09 | paulswm | !qotd42 |
| 20:03.09 | dpkg | methinks qotd42 is * ravenbird whips out his power stapler and staples jetscreamer's genitalia to the ground <jetscreamer> musta been a very large staple |
| 20:03.12 | shingouz | ouch :) |
| 20:03.15 | nbr | weird. i'm at the teamxlink.co.uk site to get the linux version of xlink Kai, but because the download is in a drop-down menu i can't get it (i think) |
| 20:03.22 | EdibleText | heh |
| 20:03.26 | jazzcat | stouset: like spending your time talking with me ? |
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| 20:03.39 | jazzcat | soutset: i did not try to bother anyone |
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| 20:03.41 | ik-ppc | some one from australia? |
| 20:03.50 | ahammond | dpkg, powerPenis is like an iPenis, but bigger |
| 20:03.50 | dpkg | ahammond: okay |
| 20:03.50 | stouset | dpkg, no ePenis is a crappy iPenis knockoff and isn't as impressive as the more expensive iPenis model. |
| 20:03.50 | dpkg | stouset: okay |
| 20:03.53 | EdibleText | my boss is, mate |
| 20:03.59 | shingouz | stouset: you need to make epenis have a "look" to ipenis then |
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| 20:04.07 | stouset | jazzcat: You're not. We're just telling you from experience that this is something you really, really want to reconsider doing. |
| 20:04.15 | stouset | jazzcat: It's known to cause cancer and decrease your lifespan. |
| 20:04.16 | jazzcat | ok |
| 20:04.21 | stouset | shingouz: No clue how to do that. |
| 20:04.22 | ahammond | I just got my powerbook. good to see a relevant discussion |
| 20:04.27 | shingouz | stouset: ditto |
| 20:04.35 | stouset | ahammond: Hahaha |
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| 20:04.50 | benjamindees | nbr, that would be javascript probably, so no |
| 20:05.04 | simonrvn | penis obsessed people |
| 20:05.04 | phogg | What is the "correct" way to add a few commads to the boot sequence? I want to execute a couple smartctrl commands at boot but I don't think a whole new script in /etc/init.d/ is right. |
| 20:05.04 | jazzcat | stouset: compiling kernels? i know it wasn't very healthy but not like this. and sorry if i have lost sthing but my english is not very good |
| 20:05.09 | nbr | darn |
| 20:05.32 | stouset | jazzcat: Hahaha it was a joke. |
| 20:05.36 | ahammond | uh... anyone know how to get a bash prompt on Tiger. Or even where to go to ease the transition of a linux geek? |
| 20:05.38 | lilwade | hey everyone..... i just saw that Sarge finally released its stable version..... is there anyone that can give me the website that has the apt sources.list so i can add it to my distro ? |
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| 20:05.54 | stouset | phogg: Adding an init.d script is probably what you need =\ |
| 20:05.56 | shingouz | jazzcat: kernel compiles are not somehting that should not be attempted, it is just that most of the time it is too much of a hassle |
| 20:06.02 | simonrvn | ahammond: #macosx |
| 20:06.04 | PerfDave | lilwade: What distro areo yu running currently? |
| 20:06.11 | ahammond | thanks simonrvn |
| 20:06.12 | shingouz | ahammond: install debian on the thing |
| 20:06.12 | stouset | ahammond /bin/bash? |
| 20:06.12 | paulswm | jazzcat: I've been compiling my own kernels for years and I am now giving up because there is little advantage to doing it, and life is too short. Go ahead if you wish, but it's usually not worth the bother unless you must save a few seconds on a reboot. |
| 20:06.24 | lilwade | sarge 3.1 based distro |
| 20:06.27 | stouset | lilwade: telnet linuks.mine.no |
| 20:06.28 | cahoot | phogg: no chance putting them in /etc/smartd.conf? |
| 20:06.31 | jazzcat | hahahaha ok |
| 20:06.31 | phogg | ahammond: wrong channel. But... Open Treminal.app. sudo bash. |
| 20:06.33 | ahammond | shingouz: I think you're missing the point of buying an apple. :) |
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| 20:06.55 | shingouz | ahammond: no i dont think so. isnt it to have a ppc runnig linux? |
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| 20:07.00 | simonrvn | ahammond: linux is faster than os x |
| 20:07.04 | lilwade | just trying to find their sources.list sarge is currently running |
| 20:07.06 | Kepplar | Hi guys. dist-upgraded earlier and for some reason its now broken smb. Configuration file looks intact, and it reports the demon is running, however for some reason on an nmap scan netbios-ssn and microsoft-ds cant be seen |
| 20:07.10 | PerfDave | lilwade: Sarge *is* the new stable version. If you're already running it, the only thing you want to do is change "testing" to "stable" in your sources.list :) |
| 20:07.16 | Octalthorpe | ahammond : Bash is prettier than Darwin. |
| 20:07.19 | [Granger] | bah |
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| 20:07.29 | phogg | cahoot: haven't got such a file... is there documentation on its format? |
| 20:07.30 | PerfDave | Kepplar: Is Samba only listening to the loopback interface, according to netstat? |
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| 20:07.45 | tarzeau | simonrvn: WAY FASTER |
| 20:07.46 | ahammond | shingouz: I fuck around with software on high end hardware all day at work. I can't be arsed to fuck around with it when I'm not working. |
| 20:07.47 | shingouz | lilwade: i just notice the sarge "based" distro there. what are you running in real life? |
| 20:07.50 | simonrvn | shingouz: yes it is |
| 20:07.53 | tarzeau | ahammond: but OPENSTEP still kicks ass |
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| 20:07.55 | catlee | Is there anyway to know when svn-2.0 will be available in unstable? |
| 20:07.56 | stouset | lilwade: telnet linuks.mine.no |
| 20:07.58 | jazzcat | shingouz: xcuse me for my reaction... i look for "bother" in my dictionary and it said it was somethin like anoying... now i see it has other meanings |
| 20:08.05 | lilwade | Knoppix 3.8.1 |
| 20:08.09 | tarzeau | stouset: .nu |
| 20:08.13 | tarzeau | lilwade: DIE! |
| 20:08.16 | shingouz | lilwade: off to #knoppix with you then |
| 20:08.18 | stouset | tarzeau: Argh |
| 20:08.18 | ahammond | shingouz: but I can't stand the lobotomy that is windows (even with cygwin), so... macosx |
| 20:08.19 | stouset | lilwade: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 20:08.25 | PerfDave | lilwade: If you're using Knoppix, then you're not using Debian. If you want to use Debian, you need to reinstall your system with Debian. |
| 20:08.29 | cahoot | phogg: don't know, was put there when I installed smartmontools (sarge) |
| 20:08.30 | stouset | !knoppix |
| 20:08.30 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 20:08.33 | jazzcat | jazzcat: you all could just talk spansih and it would be easier for everyone :) |
| 20:08.38 | PerfDave | lilwade: If you want help with your Knopix system, ask #knoppix, not #debian :) |
| 20:08.45 | shingouz | ahammond: hehe... if i had a powerbook here it would most certainly run linux :) |
| 20:08.50 | ribnitz | evening. |
| 20:08.55 | stouset | morning. |
| 20:09.02 | paulswm | !wb ribnitz |
| 20:09.03 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! ribnitz has returned! |
| 20:09.06 | lilwade | well my knoppix system is running Debian.... i didnt install multiuser, or Knoppix like cd, i installed Debian installer |
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| 20:09.16 | simonrvn | yup, my pb would run linux too, if i had one |
| 20:09.16 | Kepplar | PerfDave: not too sure how netstat works, but nmap on localhost should go via the lo |
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| 20:09.24 | shingouz | lilwade: yeah right. that is knoppix and that's it |
| 20:09.27 | ahammond | shingouz: yeah, I'd do it if I didn't have anything better to do. real purpose of lappy is to just work. |
| 20:09.28 | Kepplar | neither that or the ip address reports it running |
| 20:09.30 | phogg | cahoot: hah. Doesn't come with smartsuite, then |
| 20:09.33 | stouset | lilwade: ...you just told us, metaphorically, that your Windows system is running Mac OS X. |
| 20:09.36 | shingouz | ahammond: agreed |
| 20:09.38 | PerfDave | Kepplar: Type "netstat -lp" as root |
| 20:09.43 | paulswm | !debian-based |
| 20:09.44 | dpkg | Knoppix, Libranet, Corel/Xandros, Stormix, Progeny, Linspire, DamnSmallLinux, Xebian, Ubuntu, Mepis, and so on are *not* Debian. Just because something's "based on" Debian doesn't mean we can support it. We're supporting Debian, let your distro's support network support it. Ask me about "d-i". |
| 20:09.45 | bruce2005 | question: just installed sarge and kde, the command startx doesn't work!!! |
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| 20:09.45 | ribnitz | for complaints about irc users (/msged adverts for porn sites), I turn where? |
| 20:09.50 | shingouz | ahammond: dont you see i am just yanking your chain here? |
| 20:09.52 | shingouz | ;) |
| 20:09.56 | stouset | bruce2005: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 20:10.02 | PerfDave | lilwade: What do you mean, you "installed Debian installer"? |
| 20:10.04 | ahammond | shingouz: dude, you so trolled me :) |
| 20:10.04 | simonrvn | ribnitz: read the /topic |
| 20:10.11 | lilwade | they have 3 installers when you install knoppix |
| 20:10.14 | bruce2005 | stouset: thanks |
| 20:10.20 | shingouz | ahammond: i live on #debian, waht did you expect :) |
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| 20:10.25 | lilwade | knoppix like cd, knoppix multiuser system, and debian installer |
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| 20:10.40 | benjamindees | lilwade, we know how it works; basically, it can be done, but you're on your own |
| 20:10.42 | stouset | I'm out folks. G'nite. |
| 20:10.42 | cahoot | phogg: consists of lines like this: /dev/hda -a -o on -I 8 -S on -s (S/../.././02|L/../../6/03) |
| 20:10.49 | shingouz | lilwade: it is bullshit that you get a pure debian with a knoppix. go troll elsewhwere |
| 20:10.52 | phogg | So both smartsuite and smartmontools provide smartctl? |
| 20:11.01 | ahammond | shingouz: man, I remeber when #debian was all bitter and harsh. |
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| 20:11.03 | benjamindees | lilwade, or ask in #knoppix |
| 20:11.11 | ribnitz | simonrvn: Its not me messaging, its me getting messaged. |
| 20:11.13 | lilwade | dude you dont gotta yell at me |
| 20:11.19 | shingouz | ahammond: we still are on sundays.... just a bit ;) |
| 20:11.20 | lilwade | i asked a simple question where can i find the sources |
| 20:11.23 | Octalthorpe | ahammond : Yeah, where /has/ mwilson been recently? |
| 20:11.26 | lilwade | not you're yellin at me tellin me its bullshit |
| 20:11.29 | lilwade | now* |
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| 20:11.42 | lilwade | i didnt ask give me shit |
| 20:11.45 | crashbg | does anyone know how can i integrate xmms with the desktop of (sarge+kde) |
| 20:11.47 | lilwade | i asked just a simple question |
| 20:11.48 | Kepplar | PerfDave: i can see nmbd running on the first chart, anything specific im looking for? |
| 20:11.48 | paulswm | lilwade: nobody's yellig at you, ask in knoppix, you are not running debian |
| 20:11.58 | MobyTurbo | lilwade: changing the sources won't give you Debian. |
| 20:12.00 | crashbg | like to be merget with the background |
| 20:12.04 | shingouz | lilwade: if you are smart enough to install knoppix you should be smart enough to figure out where to get the debian sources too |
| 20:12.07 | PerfDave | Kepplar: What local address is it bound to? |
| 20:12.10 | lilwade | i wasnt askin to change the sources to get DEBIAN !!!!!!! |
| 20:12.10 | nbr | are there any browsers similar to dillo, that support javascript? |
| 20:12.14 | ahammond | and with that... I'm outa here. :) |
| 20:12.15 | lilwade | i was askin changin to the sources |
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| 20:12.21 | lilwade | so i can get the stable releases of sarge |
| 20:12.25 | nbr | or should i just go back to firefox? |
| 20:12.25 | lilwade | instead of the testing sources |
| 20:12.28 | Kepplar | PerfDave: * and the ip address |
| 20:12.31 | simonrvn | lilwade: no, and i think some folks were a bit harsh on you, but best bet for you is to go to #knoppix, where they know what you're talking about |
| 20:12.34 | shingouz | lilwade: then go get them ffs |
| 20:12.34 | takatumi | lilwade: yeah right. |
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| 20:12.36 | crashbg | lilwade, yes |
| 20:12.37 | phogg | So what is the difference between smartsuite and smartmontools, other than that smartmontools claims better ATA/ATAPI-5 support? Any reason not to use smartmontools? |
| 20:12.46 | PerfDave | lilwade: If you want to use Debian packages on your Knoppix system, you won't be running Debian *or* Knoppix. Things will break, and nobody will want to help you fix it. If you want to use Sarge, install it. |
| 20:12.51 | jblack | lilwade: Yeah. I'm about to try seeding the dvd1 torrent now. |
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| 20:13.00 | MobyTurbo | !d-i lilwade |
| 20:13.02 | dpkg | lilwade, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:13.06 | lilwade | Knoppix is solely based on Debian it uses nothing but Debian packages to run |
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| 20:13.12 | PerfDave | lilwade: That is not true. |
| 20:13.12 | lilwade | it doesnt use KNoppix sources at all |
| 20:13.15 | takatumi | lilwade: yeah right. |
| 20:13.19 | lilwade | its true |
| 20:13.19 | ribnitz | phogg: sata (or any mapped) drives. |
| 20:13.25 | lilwade | my sources list has nothing KNoppix in there |
| 20:13.28 | lilwade | only Debian servers |
| 20:13.28 | benjamindees | lilwade, since I'm running it here, I know that's wrong... |
| 20:13.28 | paulswm | !tell lilwade about debian-based |
| 20:13.36 | aficionado | Hi, 'sid' was the last unstable branch, right? how come it's still unstable after the sarge move yesterday? |
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| 20:13.44 | shingouz | lilwade: we know what knoppix is and the system is full with all kinds of knoppix stuff |
| 20:13.46 | MobyTurbo | lilwade: no, it uses many programs in base that aren't the same as Debian. Even something as elementary as /sbin/init and the run levels are different |
| 20:13.46 | simonrvn | lilwade: no. it's a mix, and they throw in their own stuff too. it isn't debian, nor is it supported by debian |
| 20:13.47 | PerfDave | lilwade: You are still not running Debian. |
| 20:13.48 | phogg | lilwade: go look at the knoppix sources.list. See all of the lines which are not references to debian.org? |
| 20:13.53 | PerfDave | aficionado: sid is *always* unstable |
| 20:14.01 | ribnitz | aficionado: its too unstable ot become testing. |
| 20:14.07 | simonrvn | lilwade: it's another distro entirely. would you expect mandrake to support redhat? no |
| 20:14.13 | lilwade | no |
| 20:14.18 | lilwade | but i dont have one knoppix source |
| 20:14.20 | plugwash | lilwade i'm in #knoppix i'll help you if you join there |
| 20:14.20 | aficionado | PerfDave: ah, so it will never change then... thanks! |
| 20:14.23 | lilwade | and no one believes me |
| 20:14.25 | plugwash | its too busy in here |
| 20:14.30 | jblack | aficionado: Because there's always something sid ("Still In Development"). Any coincidental naming with a brat that breaks toys is just that. :) |
| 20:14.32 | PerfDave | Kepplar: If it's running on * then it should be accessible, if you can't nmap it you may have some firewall issues. |
| 20:14.32 | lilwade | ok plugwash |
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| 20:14.53 | simonrvn | lilwade: wel, it would help if you proved it, /join #flood |
| 20:14.56 | PerfDave | lilwade: It doesn't matter what you have in your sources.list on your Knoppix system. You have a Knoppix system. It is using Knoppix packages. It is not and never will be a Debian system :) |
| 20:14.58 | aficionado | jblack: ah, that's interesting, I didn't know sid was "still in development" :) |
| 20:15.01 | Kepplar | PerfDave: there no firewall at all, and this is just on the same network |
| 20:15.04 | _rene_ | jblack: it's actually the other way round given the naming scheme of debian :) |
| 20:15.09 | _rene_ | aficionado: it isn't :) |
| 20:15.15 | simonrvn | ...and pasted sources.list there |
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| 20:15.19 | plugwash | PerfDave when does a system stop being a debian system |
| 20:15.19 | PerfDave | Kepplar: Then maybe something in the smbd is causing it to drop connections. Try asking #samba? |
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| 20:15.24 | aficionado | _rene_: what isn't? |
| 20:15.28 | lilwade | ok im in knoppix !!! |
| 20:15.29 | PerfDave | plugwash: When it's not using Debian packages, like a Knoppix install. |
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| 20:15.37 | Octalthorpe | jblack : Nah, I think Still In Development is a backronym. |
| 20:15.42 | Kepplar | PerfDave: cheers, will do |
| 20:15.43 | _rene_ | sid does not officially stand for "still in development". |
| 20:15.46 | lilwade | i have both DVD's for Debian 3.1 |
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| 20:15.47 | lilwade | itself |
| 20:15.51 | plugwash | PerfDave that would make most debian systems i've ever run not debian then |
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| 20:15.57 | brokentire | hello |
| 20:15.58 | MasterChief | I want to format my hardrive, I know I have to enter dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda but where do I enter it, in the console or for the debian CD |
| 20:16.00 | aficionado | _rene_: hmm... so does it stand for anything? |
| 20:16.00 | ribnitz | lilwade: Ok, now that you see that, ask #knoppix, they are in a better position to help |
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| 20:16.03 | _rene_ | sid is the boy next door who destroy toys |
| 20:16.03 | lilwade | just last time i installed the testing version |
| 20:16.17 | PerfDave | plugwash: So what? |
| 20:16.20 | lilwade | my internet would never kick on |
| 20:16.22 | shingouz | MasterChief: in terminal |
| 20:16.26 | MasterChief | ok |
| 20:16.29 | simonrvn | you get more flies or bees with honey than toxic sludge ;) |
| 20:16.29 | lilwade | my pcmcia bus on my pc |
| 20:16.31 | lilwade | wouldnt run |
| 20:16.38 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 20:16.38 | dpkg | methinks debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 20:16.42 | PerfDave | MasterChief: What are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 20:16.43 | PeTeRB | !tell lilwade about enter |
| 20:16.53 | MasterChief | What happens after I enter it, I just did (on another computer) and nothing is happening |
| 20:17.00 | PerfDave | MasterChief: It takes a while to run |
| 20:17.04 | MasterChief | ok |
| 20:17.08 | PerfDave | lilwade: Use the Debian installer from your Debian DVDs, read the Debian installation manual. |
| 20:17.18 | Octalthorpe | simonrvn : Yeah, but you get ill-tempered mutant flies with toxic sludge. |
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| 20:17.37 | ribnitz | MasterChief: every sector of your harddrive will be blanked. Not what you call formatting. |
| 20:17.41 | aficionado | so I had my system configured for testing, now the next time I do apt-get dist-upgrade would that move me up to etch? (I know this is a stupid question :-/) |
| 20:17.44 | simonrvn | Octalthorpe: indeed |
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| 20:17.49 | shingouz | MasterChief: i just hope you didn't make any mistakes on the drive you output the stuff to or you just nuked the wrong drive |
| 20:18.04 | ribnitz | MasterChief: how big is that harddrive? |
| 20:18.09 | brokentire | can someone help me....I am new to debian and linux in general...I am installing debian 3.0 I have a usb mouse that I need to configure so I can use xwindows |
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| 20:18.14 | paulswm | MasterChief: You are sure that you want to write zeroes on every sector of your hard drive, right? |
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| 20:18.29 | MobyTurbo | aficionado: etch hasn't been hatched yet, because all of the new packages in sid haven't had enough time to be automatically transfered. |
| 20:18.39 | Bazzi | brokentire for your own sake, install debian sarge (3.1) |
| 20:18.42 | benjamindees | brokentire, woody? why not use sarge? |
| 20:18.42 | PerfDave | aficionado: If your sources.list reads "testing", you will install packages from etch with "apt-get upgrade" or "apt-get dist-upgrade". Though there's anything in etch currently that I know of. |
| 20:19.01 | shingouz | brokentire: 3.0? 3.1 has just been released and it has a hell of a lot better installer |
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| 20:19.06 | PerfDave | brokentire: Debian 3.0 is very old. 3.1 is shiny and new, and has much better hardware support. You might be better off with that. |
| 20:19.17 | Empty | anyone mucked with the "Intel 855GME" video card? Laptop thing |
| 20:19.27 | ribnitz | MasterChief: if its about getting rid of the data on the drive, there are faster ways. |
| 20:19.28 | shingouz | !d-i brokentire |
| 20:19.28 | dpkg | brokentire, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:19.29 | brokentire | dont have a way to burn the cd's...how could I install that version of debian? |
| 20:19.30 | Octalthorpe | Empty : Yeah. |
| 20:19.43 | nbr | so as i've said about a billion times by now, i just installed linux yesterday and i don't know how to do basic things like check how much hard disk space is free and other 'my computer' and 'system' kind of tasks.. |
| 20:19.44 | Thaiger | Sort of OT, but I want to play around with ruby on rails and XML-RPC and stuff like that I'd have to run my own webserver or pay someone to do it right? No free way just to experiment? |
| 20:19.47 | aficionado | ah, I see... so can you setup source.list so it always points to a specific release (e.g. sarge)? |
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| 20:19.50 | brokentire | I have network connection obviously |
| 20:19.50 | shingouz | brokentire: do you have three floppies and a decent network connection? |
| 20:19.52 | PerfDave | aficionado: Yes |
| 20:19.55 | phogg | brokentire: do you have a fast net connection? |
| 20:19.59 | brokentire | the connection is good |
| 20:20.01 | PerfDave | brokentire: There are many ways to install Debian 3.1, read the Installation Manual for a list. |
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| 20:20.07 | shingouz | brokentire: and three floppies? |
| 20:20.09 | brokentire | let me look for floppies |
| 20:20.10 | ribnitz | brokentire: netboot, floppy, (replace existing system for advanced users) |
| 20:20.18 | Empty | nbr: df -h will show you free HD in human readable output |
| 20:20.25 | PerfDave | nbr: To check hard disk space, use "df". You may want to read the #debian FAQ, or some Linux starter information. |
| 20:20.26 | paulswm | nbr: So read the debian reference manual and google for tutorials, or buy a book. |
| 20:20.30 | tyranix | When the new 3.1r0a ISO images are released, will there be xdelta/bsdiff/rdiff patches so people don't have to redownload the whole thing? |
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| 20:20.48 | Empty | nbr: or install "filelight" for the pretties disk space tool evar |
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| 20:20.53 | brokentire | found 3 floppies....dont know if floppies are good...but they are the only floppies I have |
| 20:20.54 | shingouz | tyranix: i sure hope so |
| 20:21.01 | paulswm | nbr: Running or using a Linux system takes some learning effort. |
| 20:21.04 | jarango | I just bought an external 5.1 USB sound device for my laptop. How do I make it the default device ? I intend to use it with mplayer, xmms and xine |
| 20:21.05 | shingouz | brokentire: i hope you have adrive too |
| 20:21.05 | MobyTurbo | tyranix: the only thing that needs fixing is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:21.11 | benjamindees | Thaiger, of course you can install debian and "experiment" |
| 20:21.12 | Empty | Octalthorpe, yeah I know, "anyone"... Have you? Does it work well with X? |
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| 20:21.21 | brokentire | I have floppy drive of course |
| 20:21.36 | brokentire | using an older 450 Mhz machine |
| 20:21.36 | shingouz | hmm.. do we have a factoid for the bootfloppies on dpkg? |
| 20:21.37 | shadowarts | hi how do i setup a second nic card (eth 1) i did ifconfig eth1 up but how do i get an ip address for it off my router (dhcp) |
| 20:21.38 | MobyTurbo | shingouz: AFAIK, the only problem is a misconfigured /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:21.48 | shingouz | MobyTurbo: huh? |
| 20:21.49 | scar` | what is usrquota and groupquota ... I get this question to enable or disable both while installing debian sarge |
| 20:21.49 | Thaiger | benjamindees: But that would be local though, right? |
| 20:21.53 | PerfDave | tyranix: If you download your ISOs with jigdo, you won't need to download everything again. Patching a 3.1r0 install to 3.1r0a is trivial anyway |
| 20:22.00 | Weems | whats the command to configure apt ( I want to find a good and fast repository the debian one is just way too slow 2000B/s is what I got.) |
| 20:22.02 | MobyTurbo | shingouz: the only difference between r0 and r0a |
| 20:22.06 | ribnitz | shadowarts: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:22.06 | paulswm | plugwash: I'm wondersing if he is running knoppix or sarge, his statements have me all confused, he says he's running knoppix but then he said he installed of the sarge dvds *sigh* |
| 20:22.07 | tyranix | MobyTurbo: Yes, I know. But I find it's easier to give people CD/DVDs with the latest updates. |
| 20:22.07 | MasterChief | What will happen after when I do the format thing, should there be a progress bar or something |
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| 20:22.08 | PerfDave | Weems: apt-setup |
| 20:22.15 | simonrvn | Weems: apt-setup |
| 20:22.19 | PerfDave | scar`: They limit the amount of disk space that users and groups can use. If you don't know what they are, you probably don't want it. |
| 20:22.23 | aficionado | alright, gotta go... thanks a lot PerfDave, _rene_ and MobyTurbo |
| 20:22.26 | MobyTurbo | tyranix: true, if you're giving it to Debian newbies that's better. |
| 20:22.37 | benjamindees | Thaiger, yes |
| 20:22.40 | MobyTurbo | aficionado: you're welcome |
| 20:22.44 | scar` | PerfDave, thank you! ;-) that's true. I don't want it. ;-) |
| 20:22.45 | brokentire | ok...now what? |
| 20:22.57 | brokentire | can you /msg me and me leave channel |
| 20:22.58 | PerfDave | MasterChief: If by "the format thing" you mean your dd command, then there won't be a progress bar. |
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| 20:23.05 | brokentire | who is helping me? |
| 20:23.20 | PerfDave | brokentire: Read the Installation Manual for Debian 3.1, it will tell you everything you need to know. |
| 20:23.22 | shadowarts | ribnitz, ok i did that but how do i start that interface without a reboot (as i assume this will start at reboot now) |
| 20:23.23 | scar` | PerfDave, what is a bootable flag btw then? |
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| 20:23.26 | benjamindees | !tell brokentire about d-i |
| 20:23.26 | ribnitz | PerfDave: what "format thing" in linux has a progress bar? |
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| 20:23.41 | xmalarx | hey everyone, my band needs a webmaster ! let me know if you are interested |
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| 20:23.55 | ribnitz | shadowarts: /etc/init.d/networking restart, alternatively ifconfig eth1 up |
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| 20:24.00 | PerfDave | ribnitz: Depends what you mean by a "format thing", but most mkfs things generate some output. |
| 20:24.13 | Weems | PerfDave: I get this error when I run apt-setup: debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process |
| 20:24.14 | PerfDave | scar`: A bootable flag means that you can boot from a Boot Record in a partition :) |
| 20:24.16 | tyranix | MasterChief: Why are you doing a low level format anyway? If you're looking to wipe the disk, you're much better off with a dedicated tool like darik's nuke and boot disk (dban.sf.net). |
| 20:24.16 | jblack | xmalarx: You can usually hire somebody for good prices by searching at google.com |
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| 20:24.33 | justin | ribnitz: you mean ifup eth1 |
| 20:24.37 | scar` | PerfDave, again, don't know what it is ... again, don't need it. ;-) |
| 20:24.41 | PerfDave | Weems: Are you running an apt-get update, upgrade or install please? |
| 20:24.49 | ribnitz | justin: I do. |
| 20:24.51 | PerfDave | scar`: No, you'll need your root partition to be bootable. |
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| 20:24.55 | shadowarts | ribnitz, thanks! |
| 20:25.09 | graeme | I just installed apache2 with apt, and i don't really know how to proceed, is there a good tutorial on migration from 1.x --> 2? |
| 20:25.15 | Empty | am I correct in thinking the Intel 855GME has no built-in ram and eats system ram instead? |
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| 20:25.25 | justin | graeme: do you know why you are switching to apache2? |
| 20:25.30 | benjamindees | Empty, most onboard Intel chips do... |
| 20:25.31 | PerfDave | graeme: There's one on http://www.debian-administration.org/ posted fairly recently. |
| 20:25.38 | jum | hello, i just installed debian for the first time. what do I have to install with apt-get in order to run kde? thx |
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| 20:25.42 | Empty | benjamindees, thanks |
| 20:25.47 | ribnitz | Empty: whats that supposed to be? gfx card? |
| 20:25.48 | justin | jum: kde |
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| 20:25.52 | paulswm | My method of migration from apache 1.x to 2 was to remove 2 and revert back to 1.x :P |
| 20:25.59 | tyranix | heh |
| 20:26.01 | PerfDave | jum: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 20:26.11 | graeme | justin, it had a bigger number. |
| 20:26.20 | jum | thanks I try |
| 20:26.28 | PerfDave | jum: You'll need to install the KDE stuff, and probably an X server too. You may also want KDM, the KDE Display Manager. |
| 20:26.56 | jum | I don't have an x server yet |
| 20:27.04 | ribnitz | Anyoner here can recommend me a latex package for drawing trees (that show up the same in pdf and ps), #latex is like dead.. |
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| 20:27.17 | graeme | justin, paulswm: are there major issues with 2? |
| 20:27.17 | PerfDave | jum: If you're using aptitude, installing KDE will suggest installing X for you. I think KDM may insist on it. |
| 20:27.27 | PerfDave | Apache 2 works fine for many people. |
| 20:27.41 | shingouz | MobyTurbo: i know, that is why i hope the update will be available as some rsync or somesuch /me was on the damn phone |
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| 20:27.45 | justin | graeme: other than 1.3 still being favored for many things, no |
| 20:27.49 | tyranix | ribnitz: Hmm I usually use dia for diagrams (png and eps output). |
| 20:28.00 | jum | not too fast :-) I used Suse and debian looks quite different |
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| 20:28.12 | jum | how do I use aptitude? |
| 20:28.13 | ribnitz | tyranix: thats not what I am after. I want latex to generate the thing. |
| 20:28.18 | jarango | how do I find the alsa device ID of my USB sound device ? |
| 20:28.20 | paulswm | graeme: I'm not aware of any, I decided that it was way too different and I didn't have the time, is all |
| 20:28.23 | ribnitz | jum: type aptitude |
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| 20:29.16 | jum | got it, now I have to search :-) |
| 20:29.55 | MasterChief | How long does dd take, I have a 8 gig hd and it has been going for 30 minutes. |
| 20:29.59 | czm | Has anyone ever had any luck with debian and Alcatel Speedtouch 330 USB ADSL Modem.. if anyone has got it working let me know? |
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| 20:30.22 | Empty | ribnitz, yeah |
| 20:30.27 | lilliput | hello all I got pb with pmount .. I'd like to know what I should have in /etc/passwd and group relative to 'plugdev' |
| 20:30.29 | ribnitz | MasterChief: what do you want to achieve by that? |
| 20:30.31 | benjamindees | MasterChief, what command did you use? |
| 20:30.31 | tyranix | ribnitz: have you tried searching? http://doors.stanford.edu/~sr/computing/latex-example.html looks decent. |
| 20:30.32 | paulswm | MasterChief: who knows, it could be hours |
| 20:30.34 | shingouz | MasterChief: a while depending on the cpu you have. go have a bucket of caffeine and come back. maybe an hour or so |
| 20:30.37 | Empty | benjamindees, do they tend to work OK under Linux do you know? |
| 20:30.38 | graeme | PerfDave: thanks this article is fantastic. |
| 20:30.54 | Kyrel | cat /dev/psaux << :p |
| 20:31.00 | benjamindees | Empty, xorg has problems with the ones I have (845) |
| 20:31.07 | shingouz | benjamindees: he is LLF'ing the hd |
| 20:31.23 | toresbe | LLF?! |
| 20:31.28 | toresbe | People still do that? |
| 20:31.31 | Empty | benjamindees, I plan to use Xfree (sarge default) |
| 20:31.31 | ribnitz | tyranix: thanks |
| 20:31.36 | paulswm | *boggle* |
| 20:31.38 | shingouz | low level format = fill with zeroes |
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| 20:31.43 | nbr | if i download a binary file (for this xlink Kai program) where do i save it and how do i install it? |
| 20:31.45 | Empty | benjamindees, mucking with non-standard x is not my idea of fun ;) |
| 20:31.47 | toresbe | shingouz: no. Not at all. |
| 20:31.52 | nite613 | LLF != fill with zeros |
| 20:31.55 | benjamindees | shingouz, still depends on the dd options used... |
| 20:31.56 | toresbe | shingouz: That is *not* a low level format. |
| 20:31.57 | greycat | nbr: install it into /usr/local |
| 20:32.06 | shingouz | ok ok ok i stand corrected :) |
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| 20:32.15 | tyranix | Although that only works with binary trees. Trying to load other examples... |
| 20:32.21 | nbr | it's a bz2 file. |
| 20:32.23 | toresbe | shingouz: A low level format involved poking checksums into memory |
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| 20:32.31 | whiskers | i need help installing nvidia video driver |
| 20:32.33 | toresbe | and some other nasty stuff |
| 20:32.34 | nbr | do i just type the filename and it will install? |
| 20:32.38 | paulswm | toresbe: He is writing zeroes to the device, I have no idea why |
| 20:32.41 | mo79 | I have a audiotrak prodigy soundcard and search google and found that there now support for that card, i did apt-get install alsa but when i run alsa it only finds my onboard cmi soundcard... at some time during boot i see snd-ice1724 not loaded assuming it compiled in kernel.. but how do i know if it is.. |
| 20:32.51 | MobyTurbo | !tell whiskers -about nvidia one liner |
| 20:32.55 | shingouz | toresbe: and resulted in the drive to use its controller to fill the drive with zeroes |
| 20:33.00 | ribnitz | tyranix: will be on a paper for chess. hence not binmary trees. |
| 20:33.02 | toresbe | shingouz: *no* |
| 20:33.07 | JohnnyST | Hi |
| 20:33.13 | toresbe | shingouz: That would be the effect |
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| 20:33.18 | whiskers | huh? Moby what one liner? |
| 20:33.19 | toresbe | shingouz: but it is completely different |
| 20:33.24 | mo79 | ups running 2.6.8.1 |
| 20:33.26 | greycat | whiskers: the one the bot just TOLD you about. |
| 20:33.26 | shingouz | toresbe: so what did it do then? |
| 20:33.29 | JohnnyST | I have this in my sources.list is this ok for security updates? deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main contrib non-free |
| 20:33.36 | MobyTurbo | whiskers: dpkg messaged it to you. |
| 20:33.43 | toresbe | shingouz: low level stuff :P |
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| 20:33.51 | shingouz | toresbe: pbblt :) |
| 20:33.51 | whiskers | ok *reads* |
| 20:33.58 | toresbe | pbblt? |
| 20:34.09 | shingouz | toresbe: a raspberry |
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| 20:34.13 | paulswm | nite613 is correct |
| 20:34.15 | tyranix | ribnitz: Hmm I'm curious what you use for drawing the games. Do you use tex-chess or tex-skak or something else? |
| 20:34.15 | MobyTurbo | LLF is obsolete on an IDE drive |
| 20:34.18 | toresbe | basically what nite613 said |
| 20:34.21 | benjamindees | shingouz, doesn' t a true LLF bypass the drive's automatic error checking? |
| 20:34.23 | nite613 | w00t! |
| 20:34.31 | toresbe | MobyTurbo: you can still instruct the drive to do it |
| 20:34.39 | toresbe | MobyTurbo: the drive now has its own controller |
| 20:34.50 | ribnitz | tyranix: I am not using anything yet. |
| 20:34.59 | shingouz | benjamindees: afaik it depends on the type of the drive. the old things did it but the ide stuff does not |
| 20:35.03 | lilliput | nobody to grep /etc/password and /etc/group to know the line with plugdev thx |
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| 20:35.20 | paulswm | All writing zeros to sectors does is hide stuff which may be grepped on the HD like pr0n^Wpersonal stuff |
| 20:35.23 | MobyTurbo | toresbe: it seems kind of stupid, if you are getting the errors that cause you to need to do that on an IDE drive, it's in bad enough shape that it needs replacing. |
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| 20:35.59 | MobyTurbo | paulswm: writing zeros to sectors doesn't really get rid of anything that the typical police department is equipped to find. |
| 20:36.18 | ribnitz | paulswm: If I was to create a swap over the drive, It would have the same effect no? |
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| 20:36.26 | MobyTurbo | s/typical/typical metropolitain/ |
| 20:36.27 | cRaZe | hiyall |
| 20:36.28 | tyranix | MobyTurbo: What about the other techniques like Gutmann's 35 passes? |
| 20:36.51 | paulswm | MobyTurbo: Sure, I agree, if I were doing something like that, I'd do a few passes with /dev/urandom as the source |
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| 20:37.16 | zap_ | hi. openvpn 2.0_1 is broken in new stable due to bug #308926 |
| 20:37.17 | MobyTurbo | tyranix: I'm not that familiar with the pros and cons of different kinds of drive blanking (which is *not* LLF) |
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| 20:37.31 | zap_ | it is fixed in openvpn 2.0_3 according to bug report |
| 20:37.38 | elirips | hello. anyone an idea what this message is about in /var/log/syslog: "DMA write timed out". it gets repeated every 80 seconds. |
| 20:37.43 | cRaZe | what debian iso should i get if i want to run it on a windows machine? |
| 20:37.44 | paulswm | ribnitz: No, mkswap doesn't zero the device afaik, not necessary |
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| 20:38.02 | NyteOwl | j hamradio |
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| 20:38.41 | shingouz | cRaZe: you do not run debian on a windows machine, debian replaces windows |
| 20:38.56 | jasoncohen | damn, i've never seen this many people in #debian. is this normal? |
| 20:39.01 | ribnitz | paulswm: you say once I went through allocating and deallocating 8g swap, you'll still be able to recover the personal stuff? |
| 20:39.09 | shingouz | jasoncohen: a bit fatter than usual |
| 20:39.12 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: It's Sarge Release Day! |
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| 20:39.15 | EdibleText | jasoncohen, no there are usually about 100 more |
| 20:39.19 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: 700 is normal. 900 is due to Sarge's recent release. |
| 20:39.29 | justin | zap_: that is not really "broken" in the sense of "doesn't work at all" |
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| 20:39.38 | jasoncohen | MobyTurbo, sounds about right |
| 20:39.41 | jasoncohen | 700-800 normally |
| 20:39.45 | zap_ | justin: i cannot install it properly |
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| 20:39.53 | justin | zap_: did you read what the fix was? |
| 20:39.58 | benjamindees | cRaZe, i386 probably, but what do you mean by "run it on a windows machine"? |
| 20:40.03 | MobyTurbo | jasoncohen: more towards the lower 700s, sometimes dipping into upper 600s |
| 20:40.13 | cRaZe | excaclty that i386 |
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| 20:40.24 | zap_ | justin: 2.0_3 fixes it |
| 20:40.25 | cRaZe | just wondering if it was x86 |
| 20:40.28 | whiskers | i did the apt-get install kernel headers |
| 20:40.30 | shingouz | !d-i craze |
| 20:40.31 | dpkg | craze, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 20:40.32 | justin | zap_: it IS installed properly, the postinst just tries to restart it and fails |
| 20:40.38 | whiskers | but it still gives me an error |
| 20:40.41 | cRaZe | lol |
| 20:40.45 | justin | zap_: postinst: call 'restart' when 'cond-restart' fails due to user not upgrading the init.d script. |
| 20:40.52 | zap_ | justin: it is marked as C |
| 20:40.53 | jasoncohen | PerfDave, actually, it was released officially 5 PM or so yesterday and the ISOs were actually on the mirrors early yesterday morning |
| 20:41.04 | Azar | hello!! Sarge was finally released :P |
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| 20:41.14 | mrwill | Azar: we know. |
| 20:41.14 | tyranix | I've looked around and this is the best secure wipe utility I could find (boots to a linux kernel + nice console UI): http://dban.sourceforge.net/ Even if you use the best wiping (IIRC it is Gutmann's), the drive may still have sensitive info since it will map out bad sectors. |
| 20:41.18 | PerfDave | jasoncohen: Depends on your timezone ;) |
| 20:41.23 | justin | zap_: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/openvpn.postinst, change cond-restart to restart, fixed |
| 20:41.27 | jum | ribnitz: thank you the aptitude is working |
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| 20:41.35 | whiskers | somethign about not being able to find a source tree |
| 20:41.36 | PeTeRB | Azar: Not funny. |
| 20:41.40 | wake | elirips: check out the hdparm man page, sounds like there's a hd or optical device that doesn't like its settings |
| 20:41.42 | whiskers | *scratches head being clueless* |
| 20:41.48 | Azar | PeTeRB sorry |
| 20:41.50 | jasoncohen | zap_, i assure you openvpn is not "broken". i'm running 2.0_1 just fine |
| 20:42.14 | justin | zap_: the changelog says postinst: call 'restart' when 'cond-restart' fails ___due to user not upgrading the init.d script___. |
| 20:42.20 | xmalarx | My band needs a webmaster, is there anyone interested in it ? |
| 20:42.24 | justin | jasoncohen: ^^^ |
| 20:42.25 | Mage__ | mmh |
| 20:42.26 | Mage__ | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 20:42.26 | Mage__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:42.28 | zap_ | jasoncohen: you did not have this problem? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=308926 |
| 20:42.29 | Mage__ | is it normal ? |
| 20:42.33 | PerfDave | Mage__: Yes |
| 20:42.37 | benjamindees | the drive manufacturers still have utils that will do a low-level format iirc |
| 20:42.38 | zap_ | justin: ok, thanks |
| 20:42.40 | PerfDave | Mage__: etch doesn't have security updates |
| 20:42.44 | Pumpkin_Pie | .htaccess I used <FilesMatch 15> but all files require a password now even if "15" isn't in the filename ? |
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| 20:42.48 | EdibleText | xmalarx, what type of musix? |
| 20:42.56 | Mage__ | PerfDave: not yet ... or will not have ? |
| 20:43.22 | justin | zap_: you told it not to update the /etc/init.d/openvpn, so you don't have the new one which has cond-restart, which all that does is only restarts openvpn if it was already running |
| 20:43.22 | PerfDave | Mage__: Traditionally, only the stable branch of Debian gets security updates from security.debian.org |
| 20:43.40 | PerfDave | Mage__: There is talk of the Debian Security Team providing support for testing, but that's all it is so far, just talk. |
| 20:43.42 | Mage__ | yes but I didn't get a 404 when sarge was testing |
| 20:43.50 | jasoncohen | zap_, i didn't upgrade to 2.0_1. just run dpkg-reconfigure openvpn |
| 20:43.55 | Azar | Woody and Sarge do get security updates |
| 20:43.55 | nbr | if i just downloaded a file, how do i find it? firefox says it saved it to the desktop. |
| 20:44.00 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: change it to Sarge or Stable |
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| 20:44.07 | Mage__ | it will be a good idea to have security updates for the testing branch |
| 20:44.17 | Mage__ | MobyTurbo: I want to stay in testing |
| 20:44.19 | PerfDave | Mage__: When Sarge (or any other testing branch) nears release, it temporarily gets security updates. |
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| 20:44.33 | benjamindees | if testing had a prolonged freeze period, providing security updates wouldn't be so much overhead |
| 20:44.36 | PerfDave | Mage__: Not really. It will generate a lot of extra workload for the Debian Security Team :) |
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| 20:44.49 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: etch doesn't exist yet, and when it does it won't have security updates until it approaches release |
| 20:44.50 | Mage__ | yes but I run testing on all my servers |
| 20:45.06 | Azar | Mage_ you have to update your sources.file and change "testing" to "Sarge" in all your urls, security included |
| 20:45.10 | zap_ | justin: i did not have a previous version of openvpn (apart from my /usr/local install) and i removed /etc/init.d/openvpn (local install) before installing the debian version |
| 20:45.12 | PerfDave | Mage__: If you're not running the stable branch, you have to accept that you don't get security updates. |
| 20:45.18 | mo79 | how do i compile a module ? |
| 20:45.31 | PerfDave | mo79: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 20:45.34 | zap_ | justin: how should i have told it not to update the /etc/init.d/openvpn |
| 20:45.39 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: testing is going to become dicy soon, because sid will be flooded with packages from experimental and elsewhere. I wouldn't run testing on servers until a month or so after etch appears, if then. |
| 20:45.54 | justin | zap_: does your /etc/init.d/openvpn have a 'cond-restart' section towards the end? |
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| 20:46.01 | Mage__ | I always runned testing on my servers |
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| 20:46.09 | Mage__ | and never got any problems |
| 20:46.18 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: remind me not to work for the company you sysadmin for. |
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| 20:46.23 | PerfDave | Mage__: Then you have been lucky :) |
| 20:46.26 | Azar | Mage_, testing does NOT get security updates |
| 20:46.30 | Mage__ | no |
| 20:46.30 | mo79 | PerfDave: trying to get my soundcard to work, and it seems like i need to compile a module and then load the module. |
| 20:46.34 | Mage__ | Azar: I know |
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| 20:46.46 | beeblebrox87 | Mage__: well, you always had the problem that you got security updates ~2 weeks later than everybody else |
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| 20:47.06 | jasoncohen | lol, before i couldn't get cron-tab to run and now it seems to be running randomly |
| 20:47.15 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: and beeblebrox87 is assuming that the package doesn't get held up by something like a relase critical libc. |
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| 20:47.37 | PerfDave | mo79: Which soundcard, which module, which kernel, which distro, which branch? |
| 20:47.38 | nikton | hey, how do I find out what process lauched famd? The reason I ask is because for some reason it's taking up 95% of the CPU as reported by top, and the taskbar is no longer responding as a result of it. |
| 20:47.45 | Mage__ | for me testing is a good compromise between stability and updates |
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| 20:48.03 | jasoncohen | nikton, ps -ax | grep famd |
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| 20:48.07 | Mage__ | to be honnest I run sid on my desktop since 4 years, and never got any problems |
| 20:48.23 | Dr_O | Mage__: how long is allways? |
| 20:48.27 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: sid and testing is fine for desktops, but not for servers. |
| 20:48.27 | nikton | jasoncohen: right, but I need to know what process is using famd. |
| 20:48.40 | MobyTurbo | s/is/are |
| 20:48.40 | beeblebrox87 | MobyTurbo: how often does that happen? i would think that if it were stuck for several weeks somebody would backport it to an older libc or whatever to keep people in testing reasonably secure |
| 20:49.00 | whiskers | i still need help with those drivers :( |
| 20:49.01 | mo79 | PerfDave: soundcard: audiotrak prodigy 192 module: snsd-ice1724 kernel : 2.6.8.1 distro: don't know branch: sorry my poor english and my lack of skills |
| 20:49.05 | MobyTurbo | beeblebrox87: it used to happen all the time until they started preparing for Sarge's relase. |
| 20:49.10 | MobyTurbo | release* |
| 20:49.18 | PerfDave | mo79: Are you running Debian? |
| 20:49.19 | mo79 | PerfDave: sorry module : snd-ice1724 |
| 20:49.23 | mo79 | PerfDave: yes |
| 20:49.25 | jasoncohen | nikton, can't you just kill famd? |
| 20:49.27 | beeblebrox87 | hmm... haven't noticed, i don't run testing |
| 20:49.35 | nbr | for linux, what does firefox consider to be the desktop? |
| 20:49.46 | PerfDave | nbr: $HOME/Desktop, IIRC |
| 20:49.49 | whiskers | i did the apt-get install kernel headers, , the apt-get install nvidia-glx doesnt exist |
| 20:49.53 | lilliput | I have a pb with plugdev ;; could someone tell me what should I put in password and group ? |
| 20:49.55 | PerfDave | mo79: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:49.59 | nikton | jasoncohen: yea I can, but I would like to know what other program is using it as a service. |
| 20:50.00 | nbr | IIRC? |
| 20:50.04 | PerfDave | !iirc |
| 20:50.05 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 20:50.09 | mo79 | PerfDave: is there anyway i can see that. |
| 20:50.17 | PerfDave | mo79: What did you install? |
| 20:50.27 | PerfDave | mo79: 3.0 (Woody) or 3.1 (Sarge) probably. |
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| 20:50.29 | Mage__ | to be honnest I don't agree the -stable branch, I never understood how you can consider for example kernel 2.6.8 more stable than a 2.6.10, or even a 2.6.11, since thoses last one contains a lot of bug fixes .. |
| 20:50.33 | PerfDave | whiskers: You need the "non-free" in your sources.list, since the nvidia stuff isn't free. |
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| 20:50.59 | PerfDave | Mage__: You clearly don't understand what "stable" means in a sysadmin context. It doesn't mean fewer bugs, it means it *doesn't* change, so you don't get unexpected problems. |
| 20:51.03 | dpryo | Mage__: A -stable branch is "proven to work and tested" ;) |
| 20:51.09 | nbr | k, found the file. |
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| 20:51.16 | PerfDave | Mage__: As a sysadmin, there's nothing wrong with bugs. You know they're there, work around them. |
| 20:51.17 | cureless | Mage__: there are always backports. |
| 20:51.17 | Azar | whiskers this is how I installed nvidia: http://tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt |
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| 20:51.20 | nbr | how do i execute a 'bz2' file? |
| 20:51.24 | Mage__ | I don't like backports |
| 20:51.34 | Azar | nbr you need to install bzip2 |
| 20:51.44 | nbr | ok. |
| 20:51.45 | nikton | jasoncohen: do you know the filename of the kde program that lists all the processes? I remember running that once a while ago, and I think it lists the process as a tree that shows parent/child relationships between them. |
| 20:51.46 | whiskers | i need an apt source then |
| 20:51.53 | shingouz | nbr: that is a compressed archive. like zip on doze |
| 20:51.55 | beeblebrox87 | Mage__: stable doesn't mean "doesn't crash", it means "doesn't change" |
| 20:51.55 | PeTeRB | nbr: That's a compressed file |
| 20:52.02 | whiskers | all i have is oregon state for an apt source |
| 20:52.06 | Mage__ | I understand what the debian "stable" branch mean, I just don't agree :) |
| 20:52.15 | PerfDave | nikton: To run the KDE System Guard, press Ctrl-Escape in KDE |
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| 20:52.16 | cureless | Mage__: There's a bug fixed in .10, we fix it in .8 |
| 20:52.17 | Azar | whiskers, read that link |
| 20:52.34 | Mage__ | cureless: there are tons of bug fixes in .10 |
| 20:52.36 | PerfDave | Mage__: Yes, but you run testing on your servers, so I'm not giving your opinion much credibility ;) |
| 20:52.38 | tyranix | nbr: Or p7zip (console port of windows only 7zip) which handles lots of other formats too. I'm not sure if it's in sarge though. |
| 20:52.43 | jasoncohen | nikton, ksysguard? |
| 20:52.46 | beeblebrox87 | frankly, unstable has fewer bugs than most distros' "stable" versions |
| 20:52.46 | Mage__ | PerfDave: different point of view :) |
| 20:52.52 | cureless | Mage__: and there are new bugs too |
| 20:52.56 | nikton | perfdave: sweet, nice trick. thanks |
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| 20:53.00 | PerfDave | Mage__: Yes, and yours is wrong ;) |
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| 20:53.01 | Mage__ | cureless: depends of kernels |
| 20:53.03 | nikton | jasoncohen: thanks |
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| 20:53.26 | Mage__ | .11 for example was a lot of big fixes .12 has new items, ... |
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| 20:53.29 | thorie | anyone here know what "Simple Mail" is? |
| 20:53.29 | cureless | Mage__: there are always new bugs, specially when you add new code. |
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| 20:53.31 | dpryo | beeblebrox87: Fewer bugs pr application yes, but cooperatively there are usually more bugs. |
| 20:53.32 | mo79 | PerfDave: sorry I dont know, I downloaded and made some floppy and install through net. |
| 20:53.32 | Mage__ | s/big/bug |
| 20:53.38 | brokentire | hey perfdave....need help getting the images of floppy for deb 3.1 |
| 20:53.42 | PerfDave | mo79: What did you install? |
| 20:53.45 | nbr | so sarge might have a program that opens bz2 files? |
| 20:53.48 | PerfDave | mo79: What did you download, rather? |
| 20:54.00 | tyranix | nbr: It definitely has bzip2. It may have p7zip. |
| 20:54.01 | shingouz | nbr: bzip2 |
| 20:54.12 | dpryo | nbr: apt-get install bzip2 && tar -xvzf my.bzipfile.tar.bz2 ;) |
| 20:54.13 | PerfDave | brokentire: What problem are you having? |
| 20:54.14 | beeblebrox87 | Mage__: when something is "fixed in 2.6.11" there was a patch to fix it. there were also patches to create new features. debian takes the bug-fix patch and applies it to the 2.6.8 in stable, to bring users the bug fix without the potentially buggy new features |
| 20:54.21 | cureless | Mage__: you're always free to install your kernel of choice anyway. Precompiled or self compiled. |
| 20:54.25 | shingouz | nbr: p7zip is not really needed most of the time. bzip2 is there definitely |
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| 20:54.38 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: No, stable packages get *security* fixes, not *bug* fixes. |
| 20:54.38 | thorie | I'm trying to figure out what SMTP is: Simple Mail Transport Protocol... But before I figure out how to transport "Simple Mail", I would like to learn about "Simple Mail" itself. Anyone know any good tutorials/guides/books on "Simple Mail" that don't talk about SMTP? |
| 20:54.41 | Mage__ | I always compile my ownn kernel |
| 20:54.50 | brokentire | kinda new to linux in general...only have ircII working plus lynx..and bash |
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| 20:54.54 | mrwill | what is a way to add disks to an existing raid array? |
| 20:55.00 | PerfDave | thorie: Simple Mail is not a thing in itself. SMTP is a Protocol for the Transport of Mail which is designed to be Simple. |
| 20:55.01 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: oh sorry. s/bug/security/; |
| 20:55.18 | brokentire | PerfDave: kinda new to linux in general...only have ircII working plus lynx..and bash |
| 20:55.18 | cureless | thorie: it's one thing SMTP. Read about SMTP it's pretty simple. |
| 20:55.26 | PerfDave | brokentire: OK, so what problem are you having? |
| 20:55.28 | nikton | hmm, ksysguard isn't showing any relationships of famd with anything else. Would that mean that no other program is using it at the time. Is famd even necessary to run everytime the system boots? |
| 20:55.32 | mngrif | PerfDave: judging by the holes in all the mail servers out there, smtp isn't nearly simple enough |
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| 20:55.35 | Mage__ | and to be honnest "gnome" in the stable branch was more unstable that gnome in unstable .. |
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| 20:55.47 | justin | brokentire: use irssi-text and link instead. |
| 20:55.49 | PerfDave | mngrif: The protocol is simple. Implementations of the protocol may not be. |
| 20:55.49 | thorie | How can I learn the transfer of something that I don't know anything about? |
| 20:55.50 | brokentire | perfdave: how do I download the floppy images |
| 20:55.57 | justin | brokentire: er, links |
| 20:55.59 | PerfDave | brokentire: What does the Installation Manual say? |
| 20:56.00 | nbr | dpryo, thanks! |
| 20:56.09 | mngrif | PerfDave: ahh, the wonders of bloat :) |
| 20:56.14 | beeblebrox87 | "simple mail" and "broken light" bulbs |
| 20:56.15 | cureless | thorie: they are related, very related. |
| 20:56.21 | dpryo | nbr: I'm sorry I was wrong.. tar -xvjf of course.. |
| 20:56.23 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: well, that's different now. Stable is 2.8.x, which is not buggy for GNOME. |
| 20:56.23 | PeTeRB | thorie: It's not Simple Mail, it's Simple Protocol, and it's a Mail Transfer Protocol ;) |
| 20:56.24 | thorie | I searched google all day for "Simple Mail" and couldn't find anything that didn't talk about SMTP. |
| 20:56.25 | dpryo | nbr: not .xvzf |
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| 20:56.31 | iobound | does anyone have a guess as to when x.org packages will be ready? a week, a month, any guesses? |
| 20:56.38 | Mage__ | MobyTurbo: before sarge was released :) |
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| 20:56.42 | thorie | PeTeRB: Ohhhhhhhhhhhhh............ |
| 20:56.43 | justin | !lart thorie |
| 20:56.44 | PerfDave | iobound: When they're ready, and they won't be in 3.1 |
| 20:56.44 | MobyTurbo | Mage__: also, I don't know why you'd want to run GNOME on a server. |
| 20:56.48 | brokentire | tells about mirror server...and location on server...but dont know what the mirror servers are |
| 20:56.49 | nbr | dpryo, yep, assumed that. |
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| 20:56.54 | Mage__ | MobyTurbo: no I speak for a desktop here |
| 20:56.56 | PerfDave | thorie: SMTP is not a protocol for transferring "Simple Mail". There's no such thing as "Simple Mail". |
| 20:56.58 | Azar | iobound maybe not this year |
| 20:57.01 | brokentire | PerfDave: tells about mirror server...and location on server...but dont know what the mirror servers are |
| 20:57.05 | beeblebrox87 | thorie: i'm trying to fix a broken light bulb, any idea what "broken light" is? |
| 20:57.05 | Mage__ | I'm not crazy.. |
| 20:57.15 | tarzeau | iobound: when hell freezes over |
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| 20:57.20 | iobound | PerfDave obviously not since 3.1 has been released, just wondering if it's anytime soon since sarge is out now, or if it's a year to go.. |
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| 20:57.23 | tarzeau | iobound: maybe tomorrow |
| 20:57.24 | thorie | beeblebrox87: ohhhhhhhhhh.... |
| 20:57.27 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: it already froze over |
| 20:57.32 | thorie | <--- Starting to understand |
| 20:57.35 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: maybe it just does it again? |
| 20:57.43 | PerfDave | iobound: Debian's xorg packages will probably be in Unstable in a fortnight, in Testing in a month. |
| 20:57.49 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: i just hope they will stop asking those questions |
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| 20:58.02 | Azar | iobound, I would assume now that Sarge will be nursed at least six more months before any other gadgets will emerge |
| 20:58.06 | iobound | PerfDave seriously? that would be kickass |
| 20:58.10 | thorie | PerfDave: It's like, "Simple MTP" |
| 20:58.13 | nbr | weird, it says the file doesn't exist. |
| 20:58.14 | jasoncohen | iobound, /msg dpkg xorg |
| 20:58.21 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: or i'll really have to change xfree86 in gimp to xorg in http://apt-get.mine.nu/woody-holycow-debian.jpg |
| 20:58.30 | mngrif | PerfDave: with all the time it's taken, would it be safe to assume that a seemless upgrade would happen? |
| 20:58.33 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: and i'm not the biggest fan of gimp |
| 20:58.35 | nbr | but when i check, it's there. |
| 20:58.35 | jasoncohen | and read the info page |
| 20:58.36 | iobound | jasoncohen i did that and i couldn't find any guesstimate on the ETA at all :( |
| 20:58.46 | PerfDave | brokentire: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ |
| 20:58.58 | jasoncohen | iobound, well, it's really up to xorg since debian is waiting for an official xorg release- not a transitional release |
| 20:59.01 | cureless | thorie: just go read something about it, like from wikipedia or some link from google, you'll get what we mean. |
| 20:59.05 | PerfDave | mngrif: A seamless upgrade from what to what? |
| 20:59.18 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: apple switched to intel, we found out who deep throat was, and sarge was released... hell has frozen over. maybe xorg will enter debian when it melts. |
| 20:59.19 | mngrif | PerfDave: xfree > xorg |
| 20:59.19 | PeTeRB | thorie: Or you could go read the RFC |
| 20:59.26 | shingouz | !sarge floppies brokentire |
| 20:59.37 | iobound | very well |
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| 20:59.43 | shingouz | !tell brokentire about sarge floppies |
| 20:59.49 | dpryo | PerfDave: Wouldn't "Simple smtp" be submission? :) |
| 20:59.50 | thorie | cureless: Reading about it confused me even more. People seemed to assume that I already knew what "Simple Mail" was. Now I learned from here in #debian that it's Simple MTP. Not, Simple Mail TP. |
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| 20:59.57 | PerfDave | dpryo: It'd be redundant ;) |
| 21:00.00 | iobound | i heard the default kernel images still have security holes, confirm/deny? |
| 21:00.02 | PeTeRB | beeblebrox87: Will it melt when those Japanese scientists drilling to the center of the Earth get there? |
| 21:00.08 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: apple will also support intel |
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| 21:00.13 | mo79 | PerfDave: is there anywhere i can see what version it is, I think it's Sarge but I'm not sure. sorry |
| 21:00.14 | cureless | thorie: what did you read? |
| 21:00.16 | PerfDave | iobound: If any package in Sarge has a security hole, it'll be fixed. |
| 21:00.16 | Thaiger | Anyone ever used a PCI Express nVidia 6600? |
| 21:00.17 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: just like NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP did |
| 21:00.18 | shingouz | thorie: iirc Simple Mail Transfer Protocl |
| 21:00.21 | thorie | cureless: SMTP on the wikipedia site |
| 21:00.24 | PerfDave | mngrif: I expect it won't be entirely trouble-free, but should be fairly smooth. The Debian X Strike Force are pretty damn good. |
| 21:00.24 | Azar | iobound the default kernel is the 2.4 series, you figure |
| 21:00.29 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: hmm? |
| 21:00.40 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: you've not studied computer history, have you?? |
| 21:00.42 | thorie | cureless: Nowhere on the wiki site does it even mention that there is no such thing as "Simple Mail". |
| 21:00.42 | cuti | konqueror: ERROR: Error in BrowserExtension::actionSlotMap(), unknown action : s earchProvider |
| 21:00.43 | PeTeRB | thorie: What do you want from SMTP anyway? |
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| 21:00.48 | cuti | can you help me fix it |
| 21:00.48 | PerfDave | mo79: Do you have any of the words "testing" "stable" "sarge" "woody" "sid" "unstable" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file? |
| 21:00.59 | mo79 | it's testing |
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| 21:01.03 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: NeXTSTEP and OpenSTEP ran (run) on x86 |
| 21:01.10 | thorie | PeTeRB: I'm trying to set up a Sendmail mail server. I have a book on Sendmail, but it keeps talking about SMTP without explaining what it is. |
| 21:01.11 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: i just don't see how that's relevant |
| 21:01.26 | Azar | mo79 is refusing to switch from testing to Sarge, he will have to live with the consequences |
| 21:01.31 | beeblebrox87 | tarzeau: also, "study computer history"? can you take it as a course at university or something? |
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| 21:01.41 | Empty | does Viking make good laptop memory? |
| 21:01.52 | PerfDave | mo79: What is the output of the following command: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 | awk '{print $3}' |
| 21:01.52 | PeTeRB | thorie: It's a mail transfer protocol. Simple, no? |
| 21:01.52 | EdibleText | beeblebrox87, online university... |
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| 21:02.06 | Stormy | Empty: Micron |
| 21:02.13 | EdibleText | heh |
| 21:02.15 | nbr | dpryo, can i ask for a bit more help. when i try tar or bunzip2, and give the file, it says no such file. |
| 21:02.15 | Stormy | makes great laptop ram |
| 21:02.21 | PerfDave | thorie: SMTP is the protocol which defines how mail programs talk to mail servers, and how mail servers talk to other mail servers. |
| 21:02.26 | nbr | but if i go to root and type ls it's there. |
| 21:02.27 | Empty | Stormy, not an option on my order w/ CDW |
| 21:02.31 | noruak | jayapura |
| 21:02.35 | Stormy | Viking isn't bad |
| 21:02.39 | PerfDave | thorie: Why not use exim? It's in Debian by default and easy to configure. |
| 21:02.48 | thorie | PeTeRB: Yeah, I'm searching google to figure out what a Mail Transport Protocol is. I know it's a set of rules definiting the transfer of mail. But does it mean something more specific? Does it imply using the internet or a certain kind of network? Does MTP imply TCP/IP? Or UDP? |
| 21:03.01 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: unless i'm an idiot, exim is not that easy to configure |
| 21:03.05 | shingouz | !tell thorie about smtp |
| 21:03.14 | Empty | thorie, search for "smtp rfc" |
| 21:03.16 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: It has a nice easy configuration thing when you install Debian |
| 21:03.20 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: steve jobs has put that up from m68k to intel |
| 21:03.21 | thorie | Before I learn about SMTP, i want to learn about MTP. |
| 21:03.24 | PerfDave | thorie: Read the RFC which defines what SMTP is. |
| 21:03.29 | lilliput | is someone know why I got a pb with |
| 21:03.31 | beeblebrox87 | well, rather, it probably is most of the time, and i'm just a special case. that seems to happen a lot. |
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| 21:03.38 | Empty | thorie, and take the advice, go with exim |
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| 21:03.47 | tarzeau | beeblebrox87: i don't think you can take a course |
| 21:03.52 | thorie | I think trying to learn SMTP would be over my head, I'm going to try to learn MTP first. |
| 21:04.14 | PerfDave | thorie: The best way to learn about mail transfer is to read the SMTP protocol. |
| 21:04.14 | cureless | thorie: are you tring to be funny? |
| 21:04.15 | PerfDave | thorie: THERE IS NO MTP |
| 21:04.15 | lilliput | pmount-hal /dev/sda1 |
| 21:04.15 | lilliput | Erreur : l'UDI fourni n'existe pas (udi doesn't exist )-> no pb with root |
| 21:04.15 | PeTeRB | Sorry, but... |
| 21:04.15 | PeTeRB | !moron thorie |
| 21:04.15 | dpkg | thorie: You are moron #54 |
| 21:04.15 | thorie | hmm |
| 21:04.17 | beeblebrox87 | thorie: if MTP existed, then SMTP would still be simpler |
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| 21:04.24 | moi | hey, is it possible to give lilo two init paramters at startup.. like first one would be: init=/sbin/initng second one init=/sbin/bootchart |
| 21:04.26 | beeblebrox87 | thorie: better to start with simple things first. |
| 21:04.27 | brokentire | PerfDave: found 4 images ...but only have 3 disks |
| 21:04.31 | thorie | beeblebrox87: ok |
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| 21:04.35 | mo79 | PerfDave: (Status,Err: Version 2.3.2.dsl-22 |
| 21:04.50 | shingouz | brokentire: boot, root and network are the ones you need |
| 21:04.51 | reagent | beeblebrox87: is ther something like CMTP around? Complicated Mail Transfer Protocol? |
| 21:04.54 | brokentire | PerfDave: root boot netdrivers and cd drivers |
| 21:05.02 | iobound | PerfDave so do you really think there's a chance xorg will arrive in 2 weeks? |
| 21:05.08 | EdibleText | they started with simple it can only get complicated |
| 21:05.24 | shingouz | brokentire: root boot and netdrivers. if you are going to do the whole thing off the internet you do not need the cdrom at all |
| 21:05.31 | PerfDave | brokentire: Use the ones that the Debian Installation Manual tell you to use :) |
| 21:05.33 | Empty | thorie, Here's smtp: telnet blah.com 25 <cr> HELO me<cr>RCPT TO: <user@blah.com><cr>MAIL FROM: <you@belh.net><cr>DATA<cr>Subject: Hello<cr><cr>Hi there<cr>.<cr>QUIT<cr> |
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| 21:05.43 | Azar | configuring a mail server is the biggest pain in the brain.... |
| 21:05.44 | beeblebrox87 | reagent: well you can run scp inside nested vpn tunnels to move your mail and call it CMTP |
| 21:05.46 | cureless | thorie: google around, I'm sure you'll find simple explanations of SMTP. If not you'll have to either 1. buy a book or 2. read the RFC (821) |
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| 21:06.20 | cureless | thorie: or 3. pay/convince somebody to explain it to you |
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| 21:06.33 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: i didn't find the exim configuration that easy, and i usually skip it anyway so i can get on to using debian |
| 21:06.37 | thorie | cureless: I have a book on SMTP and Sendmail |
| 21:06.40 | nbr | ok, i've unzipped a file that was at the root directory. where does it put the contents? |
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| 21:07.04 | PeTeRB | nbr: In the current directory |
| 21:07.15 | brokentire | PerfDave: lynx question...it displayed the img...not download it...I want to save to hard drive |
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| 21:07.29 | DrX | Hello I have installed debian on a very old computer(1995, Pentium Pro) im to use as a server. I installed cvs on it and started upploading my projects (i use Tortoise, ssh connection) but after a few files the tranfer stoped and just waited for a few minutes and then it upploaded a few more files and then waited again, it keept doing this all the time. I logged in with ssh and ran top while i was upploading to the cvs, the processor was never over 9% |
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| 21:07.45 | thorie | cureless: It never explained a lot of the basics, like "Simple Mail" doesn't exist, or "MTP" doesn't exist, or what "mail delivery" means, etc. etc. So I'm looking for just some basic information so I can start in the right direction. |
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| 21:07.55 | cureless | thorie: sendmail is a mess. smtp is simple. |
| 21:08.03 | elirips | noone ever heard of that error in /var/log/syslog: first line: 'localhost kernel: parport0: FIFO is stuck', 2nd: 'localhost kernel: parport0: BUSY timeout (1) in compat_write_block_pio', 3rd (exactly 10 seconds later): 'localhost kernel: DMA write timed out'. all this gets repeated exactly every 80 seconds. |
| 21:08.08 | cureless | thorie: get a basic networking book. |
| 21:08.19 | thorie | cureless: recommendations? |
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| 21:08.37 | elirips | with a self-built kernel 2.6.10 |
| 21:08.44 | supaman | elirips: done a google search for this? |
| 21:08.52 | jost | i tried to upgrade but my /var disk is full before i could fetch all the debs. can i put the /var/cache/apt/archive on a different disk and how could i tell aptitude? |
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| 21:09.05 | nbr | ok, the bz2 file turned into a tar file, i guess. |
| 21:09.14 | nbr | how do you unzip those? |
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| 21:09.26 | tarzeau | nbr: file the.file ? |
| 21:09.26 | tyranix | thorie: Yes, you should check out "Computer Networking: A top down approach featuring the Internet". It starts off with very basic ideas and then goes to the lower levels. |
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| 21:09.31 | pngwn | nbr, man tar |
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| 21:09.32 | shingouz | nbr: what command did you use to do whatever you did? |
| 21:09.33 | EdibleText | nbr, you dont |
| 21:09.35 | EdibleText | !tar |
| 21:09.35 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; bar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 21:09.38 | bobbens | nbr: just use tar -xvjf <filename> on the *.tar.bz2 |
| 21:09.44 | valdyn | jost: man mount, search for 'bind' |
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| 21:10.13 | jost | valdyn: thank you for the hint |
| 21:10.16 | cureless | thorie: computer networks by Tanenbaum or Computer Networks and the Internets by Comer |
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| 21:10.44 | cureless | thorie: then again, I've no idea what your background is so those might be too high/low for you. |
| 21:10.44 | supaman | jost: you sure you dont want to clean out the old debs? see the man page for apt-get and look for clean .. |
| 21:10.52 | elirips | supaman: well, seen that it has something to do with cups/lpr. but i can't just remove cups/lpr, i need those things. |
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| 21:11.33 | thorie | cureless: I have a bachelor's degree in computer science and i have 2 years of programming experience in c++ |
| 21:11.33 | tyranix | cureless: I think those might be too low level. The one I suggested is very newbie friendly. |
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| 21:11.44 | PerfDave | brokentire: Use the "download link" function in lynx, I'm afraid I can't remember the right key to press. |
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| 21:12.10 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: If you skip it, then you end up with a broken system. |
| 21:12.11 | Granden | what is the command to rename in linux? |
| 21:12.22 | shingouz | Granden: mv |
| 21:12.22 | iobound | Granden mv |
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| 21:12.25 | giupy | PerfDave, just "d" |
| 21:12.30 | PerfDave | mo79: You're probably running Sarge, which is Debian 3.1 - you probably want to change your /etc/apt/sources.list to read "sarge" instead of "testing". |
| 21:12.35 | beth | or 'rename', but that can vary :) |
| 21:13.02 | iobound | has anyone attempted to install X.org on debian unstable? |
| 21:13.09 | coruptkid | quick question, i'm using a fresh GNOME instal on debian sarge, i'm considering weather to leave it installed and us a remote desktop once its in a server house, but i'm wondering if its a large load on the processor. i have a dell sc1425 2.8 xeon processor 512 MB ECC DDR2 Ram, looking at the system monitor its saying that 499.5 MB of 504.3 MB is being used this must be wrong?? well maby not such a quick question then :-) |
| 21:13.14 | Zeaq | hi guys, during the installation a get the following error: "I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0". could you tell me something about this behavior? |
| 21:13.18 | astronut | wtf is ^M? |
| 21:13.20 | cureless | thorie: those are the right level. You can also try TCP/IP Illustrated Volume 1 by Stevens. |
| 21:13.25 | mo79 | PerfDave: ok, do I need to install Debian from start again or can I just switch |
| 21:13.38 | PerfDave | mo79: Just change the file, it'll be fine. |
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| 21:13.51 | PerfDave | astronut: Are you looking at a DOS file in Linux by any chance? |
| 21:13.56 | astronut | PerfDave: yes |
| 21:14.13 | astronut | AFTER running dos2unix though |
| 21:14.16 | mo79 | PerfDave: ok , thanks.. |
| 21:14.17 | valdyn | coruptkid: unused memory is waste, so linux always will use all available memory, after enough 'data' has been used |
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| 21:14.21 | gnubie | Just got sarge up, do I use the run file from nvidia.com to install the nvidia drivers? |
| 21:14.23 | PerfDave | astronut: DOS uses "\n\r" (carriage return, linefeed) to end lines. |
| 21:14.25 | PerfDave | giupy: NO |
| 21:14.27 | PerfDave | gnubie: NO |
| 21:14.30 | PerfDave | giupy: Sorry :) |
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| 21:14.34 | astronut | PerfDave: i know...i ran dos2unix |
| 21:14.37 | PerfDave | giupy: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 21:14.47 | gnubie | k |
| 21:14.54 | astronut | nvidia sucks! |
| 21:14.57 | astronut | crashes my box |
| 21:15.00 | astronut | i have to use NV |
| 21:15.03 | astronut | which sucks even more |
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| 21:15.05 | Rickyx | Does having swap as a Logical Volume allow suspend/resume to work ? |
| 21:15.06 | astronut | but doesn't crash |
| 21:15.08 | iobound | can anyone explain the versioning scheme on kernel-image packages, apt-cache show "kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686" has "Version: 2.6.8-16". What does the -2- and the -16 mean? |
| 21:15.09 | cureless | but it does so with lots of polygons |
| 21:15.12 | PerfDave | !tell astronut -about enter |
| 21:15.24 | astronut | sorry PerfDave |
| 21:15.30 | astronut | iobound: debian versions/builds |
| 21:15.31 | valdyn | coruptkid: type 'free' and look at the numbers below 'buffers' and 'cached' |
| 21:15.42 | iobound | astronut yes but why two different numbers? |
| 21:15.50 | coruptkid | valdy: doing.... |
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| 21:16.21 | thorie | PeTeRB: no. |
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| 21:16.27 | bobbens | iobound: if i'm not wrong the 2.6.8-16 is a newer build then the -2 version. and the 686 is optimized for processor type 686 |
| 21:16.28 | Dr_O | iobound: I *think* that th -16 is to do with the debian reviosion of the kernel SOURCE while the -2 is the debian build |
| 21:16.29 | astronut | iobound: they forgot to update the package name? |
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| 21:16.39 | pngwn | nbr, man tar |
| 21:16.48 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: a broken mail system, but i rarely care |
| 21:16.51 | thorie | PeTeRB: i apologize if my questions were sort of dumb though, you guys helped a lot more than you think probably. |
| 21:16.57 | iobound | i gather the -16 comes from the source package which has version 16 or whatever, i don't understand what the -2-means |
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| 21:17.04 | astronut | is there anyway to override indent -kr and have { after functions? |
| 21:17.04 | whiskers | yay that sort of work but the glxgears is so slow |
| 21:17.09 | astronut | as opposed to a new line? |
| 21:17.11 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: *shrug* I like my system to be able to tell me if it's got a problem :) |
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| 21:17.12 | iobound | bobbens, i'm talking about one package, not two, it has both -2- and -16 |
| 21:17.20 | whiskers | 1019 FPS is really bad right? |
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| 21:17.25 | coruptkid | valdn: what heading is the actual free memory under is it cached? |
| 21:17.26 | bobbens | whiskers: depends on the card |
| 21:17.51 | bobbens | iobound: sorry havent used a .deb kernel in a long time |
| 21:17.57 | EdibleText | whiskers, if you make the window smaller the FPS gets better ;) |
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| 21:18.09 | whiskers | the gears moved very slow on the screen, and it says 5096 frames in 5 seconds, = 1019 FPS |
| 21:18.17 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: i hate it when my system sends me mail |
| 21:18.22 | bobbens | EdibleText: if you switch workspaces it gets alot better :P |
| 21:18.22 | fas3r | it's possible to force the monitor mode with ndiswrapper driver.... |
| 21:18.23 | Dr_O | iobound: I think it may be to to with an ABI change between kernel-image-2.6.8-686 and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 |
| 21:18.28 | EdibleText | heh |
| 21:18.32 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: *shrug* I like my system to be able to tell me if it's got a problem :) |
| 21:18.32 | PeTeRB | thorie: IMHO it's just *really* wierd for someone with a degree in CS that can program in c++ to ask that sort of questions. |
| 21:18.42 | whiskers | its a geforce 5x 5200 |
| 21:18.51 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: mail is for people, if my system has a problem it should tell me through an error message |
| 21:18.53 | iobound | dr_o, oh, ok. i noticed the em64t packages has -11- in packagename and -14 in Version: |
| 21:18.54 | shingouz | fas3r: just try to believe me when i say ndiswrapper *does not do monitor mode* not now, not ever |
| 21:18.56 | bobbens | whiskers: that happens, but i get 1600 with radeon 9600, so its good |
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| 21:18.58 | iobound | well that sort-of makes sense |
| 21:19.12 | humbolt | ok, I have a video dvd and I want to produce another video dvd with the same movie, but a cropped part of the picture,stripping off the black around the actual picture. I am not talking about 16:9 bars, but black all around the picture. what program would I use? |
| 21:19.16 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Except that it shouldn't, and doesn't. |
| 21:19.21 | bobbens | whiskers: but glxgears isnt too good at benchmarking, best way is to try some "real" benchmarking system like ut2004 |
| 21:19.22 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: or by just not working, which becomes obvious quickly enough |
| 21:19.24 | thorie | PeTeRB: Turned out to be more of an english grammar problem than a computer understanding problem. |
| 21:19.30 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Not really, no :) |
| 21:19.41 | shingouz | fas3r: for kismet you need a card that is supported natively and even out of them not all are really useable. read the kismet docs on the website |
| 21:19.53 | whiskers | is there something free i can try? |
| 21:20.08 | beeblebrox87 | i had exim configured for local mail for a while, it would constantly mail me the output of some cron job that i didn't care about |
| 21:20.09 | PerfDave | whiskers: Enemy Territory is a nice, free-as-in-beer Linux game. |
| 21:20.11 | fas3r | shingouz, it's not for kismet |
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| 21:20.19 | fas3r | it's for airodump |
| 21:20.23 | valdyn | coruptkid: the first number below 'free' is totally unused, the number below that is totally unused + buffers + cache ( = available for applications to use ) |
| 21:20.33 | PeTeRB | thorie: That explains a lot. Hah. |
| 21:20.34 | shingouz | fas3r: still the same thing. ndiswrapper = no monitor. simple as that |
| 21:20.40 | cureless | whiskers: you can try some of the demos, like unreal. |
| 21:20.43 | fas3r | yes now i know |
| 21:20.46 | thorie | PeTeRB: can I ask you something unrelated in private? |
| 21:20.55 | PerfDave | whiskers: Or you can use GL-accellerated tuxracer! |
| 21:20.57 | PeTeRB | thorie: Depends on topic. |
| 21:21.03 | thorie | PeTeRB: books |
| 21:21.17 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: anyway, exim won't cooperate with my smart host |
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| 21:21.27 | cureless | whiskers: or some of the GL screensavers or glxgears |
| 21:21.41 | Azar | welcome back master caphuso |
| 21:21.43 | PeTeRB | thorie: I don't read books about computers in English, sorry |
| 21:21.44 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: It co-operates just fine with mine :) |
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| 21:22.02 | iobound | so nobody has any experience with installing x.org on debian (unstable)? |
| 21:22.21 | jasoncohen | iobound, why do you want/need xorg? |
| 21:22.22 | thorie | PeTeRB: ok |
| 21:22.23 | shingouz | fas3r: i *do* understand it does not feel nice to have a card that does not do what you like. i have looke d pretty hard to get the proper cards myself and each and every time i need to make a highly custom kernel to run them. serious pain in the ass, lemmetellya |
| 21:22.25 | PerfDave | iobound: Nope, I don't run unstable and I'll wait for the Debian packages :) |
| 21:22.30 | Azar | iobound I guess you might try it the gentoobian way |
| 21:22.32 | whiskers | ok im dling ET now, well waiting in line bleh |
| 21:22.37 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: mine requires a username and password |
| 21:22.38 | whiskers | ooh good idea i'll try some screensavers |
| 21:22.39 | iobound | jasoncohen i want those ultra-fancy drop shadows around the windows! |
| 21:22.45 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Your smarthost is lame ;) |
| 21:22.49 | cureless | whiskers: just run glxgears |
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| 21:22.55 | whiskers | glxgears is slow! |
| 21:23.07 | jasoncohen | iobound, and you need xorg for that? |
| 21:23.12 | wikrie | hmmm |
| 21:23.14 | iobound | jasoncohen also because I want to persuade a friend to use debian, currently he can't 'cause the xfree86 version doesn't ship with x600 drivers |
| 21:23.18 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Admittedly, that does require hacking the exim config file. But it's pretty well documented and simple. |
| 21:23.18 | wikrie | irgendwie falscher server |
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| 21:23.28 | iobound | jasoncohen i thought so, correct me if i'm wrong! |
| 21:23.41 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: forgive me if i'm wrong, but if a smart host does not require a username and password, isn't it potentially an open relay? |
| 21:23.45 | jasoncohen | i don't know- but it seems strange that you would need xorg for something simple like that |
| 21:23.59 | cureless | iobound: there's a page around that tells you how to compile xorg and keep it in parallel to xfree, have you tried that? |
| 21:24.05 | iobound | i thought it had to do with all those new-fangled extensions like compose or whatever it's called |
| 21:24.08 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Not if it's configured correctly. |
| 21:24.12 | PeTeRB | beeblebrox87: Depends. |
| 21:24.14 | iobound | cureless you've got the url for that? |
| 21:24.22 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: how should it be configured? |
| 21:24.44 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Generally, an SMTP server on a network like a LAN or an ISP's network will relay mail to any domain from *within* its network, but only accept mail for its own domain(s) from *outside* |
| 21:24.48 | cureless | iobound: I think you can get to it by googling for xorg debian and then a link in one of the first pages. I would do it for you but I'm lazy. |
| 21:24.49 | whiskers | wow its fast now! |
| 21:24.53 | jasoncohen | iobound, how do you enable those effects? |
| 21:25.01 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: my ISP does not have an SMTP server. |
| 21:25.02 | Dr_O | beeblebrox87: I work for auniversity so we WIll relay mail for onsite machines but not for offsite machines... this does NOT make us an open relay |
| 21:25.09 | Azar | iobound this maybe helps but is not "debian way" http://www.arl.wustl.edu/~mgeorg/linuxOnLaptop/xorg.conf.html |
| 21:25.11 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Then what smarthost are you talking about? |
| 21:25.13 | EdibleText | beeblebrox87, you set parameters for whom it can relay |
| 21:25.19 | cureless | jasoncohen: you need a wm/de that does it for you or an application that requests those effects from the x server. |
| 21:25.24 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: fastmail.fm's smarthost |
| 21:25.26 | iobound | jasoncohen well i haven't tried since i haven't installed xorg obviously, but i recall reading something about running a composition manager in addition to a window manager or whatever it's called. |
| 21:25.34 | whiskers | switched my screen from 1280x1024 60htz to 1024x768 @ 75 htz |
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| 21:25.37 | cureless | jasoncohen: see the enlightenment demo videos. |
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| 21:25.50 | jasoncohen | cureless, ok |
| 21:25.54 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Your ISP should provide an SMTP server. If it doesn't then it's broken :) |
| 21:26.02 | humbolt | is there any good DVD authoring OSS? |
| 21:26.07 | Dict_02x | how can I listen to online music in linux ???!!! |
| 21:26.15 | PerfDave | Dict_02x: With a music player? |
| 21:26.16 | Azar | iobound sorry wrong link here is the one I wanted to show: http://incubator.vislab.usyd.edu.au/roller/comments/Steve/Weblog/installing_a_non_intrusive_x |
| 21:26.24 | PerfDave | Dict_02x: What particular form of online music are you talking about? |
| 21:26.24 | Dict_02x | PerfDave, oh really??? |
| 21:26.32 | Dict_02x | PerfDave, ShoutCast |
| 21:26.34 | PerfDave | Dict_02x: Yes, really. |
| 21:26.47 | iobound | azar thanks a lot, i remember finding that page some time ago *bookmarking right now* |
| 21:26.47 | PerfDave | Dict_02x: Is that mp3 based? Most mp3 players should handle it just fine. |
| 21:26.48 | cureless | Dict_02x: install streamtuner, select station, clikc. |
| 21:26.52 | Dict_02x | PerfDave, I know that it is with a music player.... |
| 21:26.53 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: i have no choice in ISPs. if i did, i would still take the view that my ISP is supposed to provide me with a connected IP and i should deal with the rest myself |
| 21:26.58 | iobound | so has anyone tried following that recipee? |
| 21:27.04 | EdibleText | Dict_02x, mpg321 http://mp3stream.wfmu.org |
| 21:27.11 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: So don't use a smarthost at all and just relay mail directly. |
| 21:27.12 | EdibleText | Dict_02x, mpg321 or mplayer |
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| 21:27.17 | Dict_02x | EdibleText, I have mpg123 |
| 21:27.25 | whiskers | i need the libdvdcss so i can watch my dvd but i cant find it in synaptic |
| 21:27.26 | Dict_02x | PerfDave, yes, it is mp3 based |
| 21:27.32 | EdibleText | Dict_02x, mpg321 — Free clone of mpg123, a command‐line mp3 player |
| 21:27.32 | cureless | Dict_02x: or xmms, then type l (for location) and type in url. |
| 21:27.33 | Dict_02x | whiskers, use apt-get |
| 21:27.33 | zOap | !debian-no |
| 21:27.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian-no is den norske debian kanalen #debian-no. For skandinaviske brukere av debian. It is the norwegian channel #debian-no for scandinavian users... |
| 21:27.48 | whiskers | its not listed in there but i dont have the non-free sources |
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| 21:27.54 | Dict_02x | cureless, xmms is not able to connect to the servers |
| 21:27.54 | PerfDave | whiskers: It's not in Debian for reasons of patent. /msg dpkg marillat |
| 21:27.59 | PerfDave | Dict_02x: Use xmms or something, I'm sure most mp3 players will let you stick a URL in. |
| 21:27.59 | cookiemonster | any suggestions on webcam software for linux? /me mainly wants to capture stuff at this point, not chat |
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| 21:28.11 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: if my mail server is unreachable, where will the mail go? |
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| 21:28.23 | cureless | Dict_02x: what error does it give you? |
| 21:28.26 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Why would your mail server be unreachable? |
| 21:28.34 | Ungy | I haven't seen many Knoppix users comeone here for support anymore why is that? |
| 21:28.35 | Dict_02x | hey, Stream tuner is just great!!!! |
| 21:28.41 | cureless | Dict_02x: use streamtuner, try a station from there. |
| 21:28.43 | PeTeRB | !!!!! |
| 21:28.43 | Dict_02x | Just what I wanted.... let |
| 21:28.43 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 21:28.49 | EdibleText | Ungy, lost souls seeking support |
| 21:28.51 | PerfDave | Ungy: Because they've gotten the hint about going to #knoppix to ask Knoppix questions? |
| 21:29.04 | cureless | Dict_02x: told ya. |
| 21:29.11 | Ungy | now its just those ubuntu devils |
| 21:29.17 | Eclipser | the world ran out of knoppix users who would come here |
| 21:29.17 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: because i turn it off, and travel, and move, and the power goes out, and my ISP goes down |
| 21:29.22 | PerfDave | Ungy: Yes, hopefully they'll get the hint. |
| 21:29.24 | PeTeRB | !knoppix |
| 21:29.24 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix, or no more debian then mandrake is redhat. |
| 21:29.29 | PeTeRB | That's not it |
| 21:29.31 | mikaEL` | how many ISO's exist for debian 3.1r0(sarge) ?? I saw 12 ! is that true ? |
| 21:29.38 | Dict_02x | cureless, duh.... streamtuner just pipes the musik to xmms... and then the same story |
| 21:29.40 | cureless | mikaEL`: about 163. |
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| 21:29.48 | cookiemonster | mikaEL`: i thought 14 for i386 |
| 21:29.53 | Dict_02x | cureless, "Connected, Waiting for reply...." |
| 21:29.55 | cookiemonster | mikaEL`: you only need netinstall, though |
| 21:29.58 | Dict_02x | blah blah |
| 21:30.01 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: How do you get your e-mail at the moment? |
| 21:30.09 | iobound | pxe-booting the debian installer is kicking rad! |
| 21:30.09 | cureless | Dict_02x: so your problem is your network and or connection and/or missing mp3 libs. Probably the first one. |
| 21:30.16 | Dict_02x | cureless, Is there anything that I need to configure |
| 21:30.28 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: fastmail receives it, and i get it via SMTP |
| 21:30.37 | graeme | any of you use bitlbee? |
| 21:30.42 | PeTeRB | graeme: Me me me! |
| 21:30.47 | Dict_02x | cureless, I think not... I will come later, I am with a wireless connection and I have classes now... I will come like in an hour |
| 21:30.49 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: Via SMTP? So you're running an MTA which is correctly configured already? |
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| 21:30.56 | cureless | Dict_02x: are you behind a firewall or something else that would block you? (kind of strange since it should use http). did mpg123 or mpg321 not work? |
| 21:30.58 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: What happens when you turn it off? |
| 21:31.04 | MaRcIo | hi I need a mothertongue of english |
| 21:31.09 | Dict_02x | cureless, but thanks for the stuff..... u will be here in 2 hours? |
| 21:31.09 | MaRcIo | pls pvt me |
| 21:31.17 | whiskers | thank you! |
| 21:31.18 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: Mozilla Thunderbird gets it via SMTP, from the fastmail servers |
| 21:31.19 | cureless | Dict_02x: maybe, but somebody will be. |
| 21:31.20 | PerfDave | !it |
| 21:31.20 | dpkg | i heard italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:31.23 | Dr_O | mikaEL`: I thought there were 14... about that many anyway. If you are net connected with broadband then you DO NOT need to download them all.. |
| 21:31.24 | beeblebrox87 | err sorry |
| 21:31.25 | PeTeRB | MaRcIo: ? |
| 21:31.28 | beeblebrox87 | s/SMTP/IMAP/ |
| 21:31.28 | graeme | PeTeRB: so what's the deal then, do you run an ircserver on localhost? or is it a bot, do your contacts show up as users? |
| 21:31.29 | Dict_02x | ok |
| 21:31.31 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: No, Thunderbird doesn't get it via SMTP |
| 21:31.41 | iobound | has anyone gotten linux 2.6 kernels to work with dell perc/4e raid controllers? i can only get it working with 2.4 |
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| 21:32.01 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: So why do you need to be able to receive your e-mails via SMTP, if it goes to fastmail and you pick it up via IMAP? |
| 21:32.07 | Dict_02x | see u later |
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| 21:32.38 | beeblebrox87 | PerfDave: i don't, but i'd like to be able to "cat foo | mail bar@example.com" |
| 21:32.49 | beeblebrox87 | which requires a non-broken mail system |
| 21:32.53 | Dr_O | beeblebrox87: reading between the lines the only thing you need to fix is getting exim to login to fastmail to send via SMTP |
| 21:33.07 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: So tell Exim to relay mail directly, not via a smarthost. |
| 21:33.10 | PeTeRB | graeme: It's basically an IRC to MSN gateway. You connect to it via an IRC client. There's a control channel that has a 'root' user for all the commands (accounts, nick changes etc), and contacts online are in that channel. |
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| 21:33.23 | whiskers | this is so cool , thank you everyone :) |
| 21:33.29 | PerfDave | beeblebrox87: If you're not receiving mail directly via SMTP, it doesn't matter if you turn off your server or whatever. |
| 21:33.33 | plugwash | beeblebrox87 you might want to consider something like ssmtp |
| 21:33.45 | whiskers | *scurries off to watch movies on the computer now( |
| 21:33.57 | plugwash | which is designed to push mail out to a mailserver and nothing else |
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| 21:34.44 | Dr_O | PerfDave/beeblebrox87: remember that you shoudl have a valid return path on all out going mail.. so if you Are going to turn the machine off you need exim to rewrite the return patch too be your fastmail email address |
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| 21:35.42 | PerfDave | Dr_O: Well, the path is still valid. SMTP copes with temporarily unreachable servers :) |
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| 21:35.58 | Fixion | I just installed debian from an old net install cd I have (on an other computer). I added some sources to sources.list, but when I do apt-get update it says the standard "connecting to blah.org (someip)" and it just hangs there. I can ping the ip, but apt will just sit there. |
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| 21:36.33 | bruce2005 | i installed kde first and then X, but when i try to startx i get an error as follows "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 unkown processed) with 0 events remaining" any help? |
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| 21:36.53 | PerfDave | bruce2005: /msg dpkg troubleshooting x |
| 21:36.57 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, bubble bobble ? :) |
| 21:37.03 | iobound | anyone know if xfce 4.2 is coming to debian unstable soon? |
| 21:37.08 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: i'm so dead |
| 21:37.13 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: i've won two times today |
| 21:37.17 | PerfDave | iobound: Nobody but the package maintainer :) |
| 21:37.24 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, heh ok |
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| 21:38.04 | daesotho | bubblebobble |
| 21:38.05 | daesotho | hehe |
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| 21:38.17 | iobound | PerfDave ok. fyi, xfce.org claims its window manager provides its own "compositing manager" for the xorg composite extension, that's what i was talking about for drop shadows on x.org |
| 21:38.27 | phogg | iobound: if you're desperate it's not too hard to package yourself. Or, maybe try an experimental repository |
| 21:38.40 | PerfDave | iobound: Well, I don't use xfce or xorg, so I don't mind ;) |
| 21:38.49 | iobound | PerfDave me neither (yet) |
| 21:38.54 | cureless | iobound: look at enlightenment for fancy eye candy. |
| 21:38.58 | Rickdangerous | phogg, it's in experiemental |
| 21:39.07 | iobound | cureless yes i'm running e 0.16.7.2 compiled from source |
| 21:39.14 | Fixion | I get a "connection timed out" error whenever I try to do apt-get update. I've tried several different sources, they all time out. |
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| 21:39.17 | PerfDave | I tried xfce, but I found it too awkward so wen tback to KDE |
| 21:39.23 | tarzeau | daesotho: wanna play? |
| 21:39.25 | cureless | iobound: have you tried 17? |
| 21:39.28 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: if we find 5 players, i'm in |
| 21:39.37 | PerfDave | Fixion: Are you trying to update via http or ftp? |
| 21:39.37 | phogg | PerfDave: KDE has sucky virtual desktop support |
| 21:39.41 | Rickdangerous | tarzeau, well ok |
| 21:39.47 | PerfDave | phogg: KDE's virtual desktop support is fine for me. |
| 21:39.48 | tarzeau | Rickdangerous: ask in #bub-n-bros too |
| 21:39.50 | Fixion | PerfDave: I've tried both |
| 21:39.50 | iobound | cureless no but i'd like to, but all those dependencies and manual compilation changed my mind :) |
| 21:39.58 | PerfDave | Fixion: Can you access any other web pages? |
| 21:40.00 | tarzeau | daesotho: http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 21:40.10 | cureless | iobound: yeah, same here. That and the fact that I don't use any of the fancy stuff, it's just to show off. |
| 21:40.17 | Fixion | PerfDave: currently http. no, since it's a minimalist net install, I don't even have lynx |
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| 21:40.25 | phogg | PerfDave: Obviously this means you must suck. My logic cannot be challenged |
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| 21:40.49 | chealer | !factinfo when will sarge release |
| 21:40.50 | dpkg | when will sarge release -- last modified at Fri Apr 1 21:31:51 2005 by chealer!chealer@chealer.student.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 1040 times, last by chealer, 3m 13s ago. |
| 21:40.59 | quittt | when etch will be stable? |
| 21:41.04 | iobound | cureless yeah well i find e to run much faster than kde when configured the way i like it (also i haven't found a way in kde to switch virtual desktop via keyboard while dragging a window) |
| 21:41.06 | chealer | we got a useful factoid there :) |
| 21:41.12 | PerfDave | quittt: 2012 |
| 21:41.23 | chealer | dpkg: when will etch release is scheduled to be the most boring question after when will sarge release. as always, testing will release WIR; SIYH. wondering if it will be as long as sarge? ask me about vancouver |
| 21:41.23 | dpkg | chealer: I think you lost me on that one |
| 21:41.27 | quittt | how are you so sure? |
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| 21:41.42 | cureless | phogg: you're logic doesn't match your english. Since from the above statements you could have only determined that he likes sucky virtual desktops. You would have needed an extra fact that people that like sucky virtual desktops suck to make your logic true. |
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| 21:41.53 | chealer | ur what's wrong |
| 21:42.17 | phogg | cureless: Ssh, it's less fun if it's true. |
| 21:42.27 | iobound | i wonder if sarge will install on my sparc classic 50mhz |
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| 21:42.38 | cureless | phogg: that being said, what don't you like about the kde virtual desktops? |
| 21:42.47 | tombs | hi ppl |
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| 21:43.08 | phogg | cureless: I can't drag my windows between them with the mouse buttons I choose. |
| 21:43.19 | PerfDave | Fixion: Hmm, if you can ping out it's unlikely to be a networking issue on your machine. Possibly something firewally. |
| 21:43.21 | phogg | cureless: really it's a complaint about the pager app |
| 21:43.31 | chealer | I can't get dpkg to swallow wwer |
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| 21:44.18 | tarzeau | !ls |
| 21:44.18 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 21:44.25 | Fixion | PerfDave: :-/ don't have one running |
| 21:44.28 | mikaEL` | I'm new to debian .. 2 days ago I downloded the first 3 ISO cd's of debian 3.0r5 ... do I have to download Debian 3.1r0 again ?? |
| 21:44.50 | iobound | mikaEL` no, install via http instead! |
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| 21:45.23 | tsw | how do I do a search and replace for multiple files in one folder |
| 21:45.33 | cureless | tsw: what, text? |
| 21:45.41 | tsw | cureless: mysql dumps |
| 21:45.46 | phogg | tsw: probably sed |
| 21:46.10 | PerfDave | mikaEL`: You can upgrade 3.0r5 to 3.1r0 - read the Release Notes for 3.1 about upgrading from previous versions. |
| 21:46.13 | bruce2005 | really frustrated, i read the xfree86 log file, there are no lines starting with EE! when i startx it sort of loads and then exits givin me the same error :( , "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 unkown processed) with 0 events remaining" . |
| 21:46.23 | PerfDave | tsw: Do you mean searching and replacing within the files, or altering the filenames? |
| 21:46.26 | tsw | I have never been good making bash scripts |
| 21:46.29 | cureless | tsw: sed -e 's/something/somethingelse' -i file1 file2 file3 |
| 21:46.35 | tsw | PerfDave: inside the files |
| 21:46.47 | PerfDave | tsw: Then sed or perl with -i |
| 21:47.04 | cureless | tsw: missed a / in that s/// and probably some flags (ig). |
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| 21:47.15 | phogg | cureless: typo warning: sed -i -e 's/str1/str2/g' files |
| 21:47.25 | phogg | cureless: er... nevermind then |
| 21:47.35 | cureless | phogg: hehe. |
| 21:47.44 | tsw | thanks :) |
| 21:47.45 | phogg | tsw: your head will explode! |
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| 21:47.56 | tsw | phogg: I happened already |
| 21:48.00 | cureless | tsw: just make sure you make a backup. |
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| 21:48.11 | PerfDave | Bah, sed isn't too tricky to do basic stuff with. I spent the morning writing scripts for sed on Windows to hack around with Pegasus Mail config fils. |
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| 21:48.27 | tsw | my woody install exploded five hours ago.. installed sarge lamp mail server and and |
| 21:48.33 | iobound | pegasus mail, now there's a mua i haven't used in years |
| 21:48.46 | tsw | mysql restoration is the last step (I hope) |
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| 21:48.55 | narg | EOFs from servers mean the server is busy, no? |
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| 21:49.47 | Fixion | I can ping servers (ips and names), but I can't seem to send/recieve data from them, I can't even telnet. Everything just hangs |
| 21:49.51 | PerfDave | iobound: I don't use it myself, we've still got some people we haven't migrated to Thunderbird. |
| 21:49.59 | Fixion | anyone know what migh be wrong? |
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| 21:50.20 | cureless | Fixion: firewall rules? |
| 21:50.26 | ethics | Fixion, firewall |
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| 21:50.53 | Fixion | cureless: there shouldn't be any... this is a new install (minimalist xfs net install) and I don't have a firewall on my network, all my other computers work just fine |
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| 21:51.10 | argaldo | hi |
| 21:51.17 | cureless | Fixion: so ping works, but nothing else works? |
| 21:51.42 | cureless | Fixion: have you tried nmap? have you looked at tcpdump out put? |
| 21:51.43 | argaldo | i've been using testing (sarge) until now that is stable, what changes do i have to make to begin using etch? |
| 21:51.50 | bruce2005 | wish someone could help |
| 21:51.50 | Fixion | cureless: yeah. apt-get update hangs after it gets the server ip then it times out. telnet hangs after getting an ip, etc |
| 21:51.51 | ttick|afk | Question: is there a way to define an /etc/fstab entry so that when I insert my pen-drive it automounts (preferably with write permissions for a certain group that my username is in?) ? |
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| 21:51.59 | PerfDave | argaldo: Just leave "testing" in your sources.list, or "etch" |
| 21:52.04 | bruce2005 | really frustrated, i read the xfree86 log file, there are no lines starting with EE! when i startx it sort of loads and then exits givin me the same error :( , "XIO: fatal IO error 104 (connection reset by peer) on X server ":0.0" after 0 requests (0 unkown processed) with 0 events remaining" . |
| 21:52.06 | cureless | Fixion: so dns works. |
| 21:52.13 | PerfDave | ttick: fstab doesn't do that. You need an automounting daemon. |
| 21:52.14 | Fixion | cureless: nmap on the local machine or from an other one? |
| 21:52.18 | Fixion | cureless: yeah |
| 21:52.22 | jarango | How can I play a *.wav file containing 5.1 (AC3) audio ? |
| 21:52.31 | cureless | Fixion: from localhost to somewhere else. Can you get ips for anything? |
| 21:52.41 | ttick | PerfDave: hmm, init.d doesn't seem to have an automount entry. apt-get install automount? |
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| 21:53.04 | argaldo | if i keep the testing sources in apt means that i'm in etch now? |
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| 21:53.06 | PerfDave | ttick: There's an article about OS-level automounting on http://www.debian-administration.org/ |
| 21:53.07 | ethics | ttick/PerfDave umm actually thats a hotplug script... |
| 21:53.09 | PerfDave | argaldo: Yes |
| 21:53.17 | argaldo | so no change then |
| 21:53.18 | argaldo | ? |
| 21:53.19 | Fixion | cureless: local machine doesn't have it install (and I can't install it, it has no webbrowser or apt) but i can ping google, and my sources (from sources.list) |
| 21:53.29 | PerfDave | ethics: No, hotplug will load the USB mass storage modules when the pendrive is loaded, but won't mount it. |
| 21:53.34 | cureless | Fixion: it looks like like some firewalling somewhere along the line. |
| 21:53.43 | bruce2005 | how do i uninstall kde? |
| 21:53.49 | cureless | Fixion: if you try to ping a non existing machine does it work? Try 10.10.10.10. |
| 21:53.49 | thorie | how do I disable accepting mail from a domain that is not my own in sendmail? |
| 21:53.54 | ethics | PerfDave: if you put a script in for it i beleive you can...not sure tho just read about it |
| 21:54.06 | ttick | PerfDave: okay, thanks. i guess the standard 2.6.11 kernel doesn't have automounting on by default? |
| 21:54.09 | cureless | thorie: why are you using sendmail? |
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| 21:54.16 | PerfDave | bruce2005: I don't think that will fix your problem. |
| 21:54.22 | PerfDave | ttick: Automounting is not a function of the kernel. |
| 21:54.22 | thorie | cureless: it's famous |
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| 21:54.33 | cureless | thorie: so is the atomic bomb |
| 21:54.37 | thorie | lol |
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| 21:54.39 | iobound | infamous more like |
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| 21:54.48 | scarynetworkguy | me ninja. |
| 21:54.51 | ttick | PerfDave: oh, I guess that's what I thought your last message pertained to. Okay, I'll read the URL you suggested, thanks. |
| 21:54.57 | cureless | thorie: use another MTA. |
| 21:55.04 | zap | justin: fyi, openvpn works fine :-) |
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| 21:55.14 | jarango | How do I uncompress a compressed *.exe file in Linux ? |
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| 21:55.25 | PerfDave | jarango: What is it? |
| 21:55.28 | iobound | jarango try "unzip whatever.exe" if it's a zip file |
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| 21:55.31 | thorie | cureless: after I master Sendmail, I will move onto master Postfix, and then I will move onto master Exim. |
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| 21:55.51 | PerfDave | thorie: Why not just use exim? It's installed in Debian by default for a reason. |
| 21:55.54 | cureless | thorie: I think you're just having fun with us, no more answers for you. |
| 21:55.54 | jarango | PerfDave: I think it contains some sound files |
| 21:56.04 | PerfDave | jarango: It's a self-extracting .zip file? |
| 21:56.07 | madclicker | is there a way to get an .exe file unpacked/ |
| 21:56.09 | madclicker | ? |
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| 21:56.17 | zap | how can i find out all packages which are installed from a certain source in sources.list? |
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| 21:56.31 | plugwash | madclicker an exe is a program that runs on windows |
| 21:56.33 | iobound | madclicker yes use "upx -d whatever.exe" but i don't think that's what you really meant :) |
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| 21:56.41 | Xinux | i can talk? |
| 21:56.53 | PerfDave | Xinux: I dunno, are you mute? :) |
| 21:56.58 | Xinux | lol |
| 21:56.59 | giupy | ahaha |
| 21:57.04 | plugwash | madclicker what is this exe? and what do you mean by unpack it? |
| 21:57.12 | giupy | Xinux, you can write |
| 21:57.30 | jarango | PerfDave: I got it, thanks |
| 21:57.38 | bcole | anyone know a good 2-4 device relatively inexpensive kvm? |
| 21:57.42 | thorie | cureless: people always give out the easy, "change what you're working with" fix... if you're learning to fix a car, people say "walk"... if you're having trouble with pascal, people say "switch to java"... when you're having trouble with linux, they say, "Switch to linux" |
| 21:57.48 | bruce2005 | PerfDave: i wanna know if the problems from x or kde, how can u uninstall kde |
| 21:57.57 | madclicker | plugwash:iobound: some exe files when executed will extract the compressed files |
| 21:57.59 | thorie | oops, meant to say "switch to windows" |
| 21:58.00 | tarzeau | has nobody got a trivia quit bot? |
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| 21:58.07 | iobound | madclicker try running 'em in wine then |
| 21:58.12 | tarzeau | i guess it would be funny HERE |
| 21:58.17 | bruce2005 | my problems are unsolvable :) |
| 21:58.17 | caphuso | tarzeau: i wouldn't last long |
| 21:58.24 | caphuso | s/i /it / |
| 21:58.28 | tarzeau | caphuso: you'd kick it? |
| 21:58.28 | plugwash | madclicker do you have any idea what tool the exe was made with? |
| 21:58.34 | madclicker | plugwash:iobound: roger |
| 21:58.34 | caphuso | tarzeau: of course |
| 21:58.37 | PerfDave | bruce2005: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 21:58.45 | bruce2005 | thx |
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| 21:58.50 | tarzeau | caphuso: owwwww not even if it was debian related questions? |
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| 21:59.03 | madclicker | plugwash: no clue, ask adaptec :) |
| 21:59.08 | plugwash | you could try running it with wine as iobound suggested |
| 21:59.13 | caphuso | tarzeau: so create #debian-trivia, or use #debian-bots |
| 21:59.32 | tarzeau | caphuso: but we needs players, at least 600! |
| 21:59.37 | paulswm | tarzeau would have dragons running round in here if he could :) |
| 21:59.38 | caphuso | there's way too much playing with the bots in here already |
| 21:59.39 | cureless | thorie: that might be true in some sense, but you do go to elementary school before going to university. Same here, start with something easier to understand. |
| 21:59.41 | kingsley_ | Why would rdiff-backup fail with "Fatal Error: Source directory returned does not exist"? |
| 21:59.47 | tarzeau | paulswm: heh |
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| 21:59.59 | cy_` | !UBUNTO |
| 22:00.00 | dpkg | well, ubunto is http://people.warp.es/~rubiojr/images/3ubuntu.jpg or http://azure.humbug.org.au/~aj/blog/2005/06/07?seemore=y#2005-06-07-ubuntu |
| 22:00.00 | bin2hex | good evening |
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| 22:00.41 | quittt | !ubuntu |
| 22:00.41 | dpkg | [ubuntu] NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 or "Based on Debian" like Hollywood movies are "Based on a true story", or I'm not Debian but I play one on TV. |
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| 22:01.46 | bruce2005 | how do i know if i have the stable version of sarge |
| 22:01.57 | deadcat | bruce2005: check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:02.04 | Disney-- | what is the maximum number of childs of debians's apache (stable) ? |
| 22:02.13 | mikaEL` | what can i do with a debian busines card ISO ? |
| 22:02.17 | PerfDave | bruce2005: WHat do you mean, the "stable version of sarge"? |
| 22:02.26 | PerfDave | mikaEL`: Burn it to a business card-sized CD-R |
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| 22:02.29 | jarango | does mplayer decode DTS ? |
| 22:02.35 | PerfDave | Disney--: Whatever you configure it to be in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 22:02.40 | surreal | should i change my sources from testing to stable if i was running testing before? |
| 22:02.42 | PeTeRB | mikaEL`: Install debian after you've burned it. |
| 22:02.49 | PeTeRB | surreal: Depends. |
| 22:02.50 | PerfDave | surreal: That depends, do you want to run stable or testing? |
| 22:02.51 | bin2hex | i'm using sarge since it was still in testing. now, when I run aptitude and try to update the package list, I get a 404 on "http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages" (and also in contrib). do I need to change anything in my sources.list because of sarge getting out of testing? |
| 22:02.52 | ethics | mikaEL: lot's mine doubles as a coaster today but yesterday i made a cool cd mobile that hangs above my desk... |
| 22:03.00 | bruce2005 | i have no idea what i mean, just tryin different things to fix X |
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| 22:03.10 | bruce2005 | caus it was working before with woody |
| 22:03.13 | surreal | testing but i get errors right now |
| 22:03.14 | peritus | bin2hex: replace testing with sarge in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:03.21 | surreal | Err http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main Packages |
| 22:03.21 | surreal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.22 | ethics | Jarango: yes |
| 22:03.24 | bin2hex | peritus, thx |
| 22:03.32 | AigleDor | Do you have any info about 3.1r0a ?? |
| 22:03.39 | peritus | surreal: you too :) replace testing with sarge in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:03.41 | ethics | !tell surreal about disec |
| 22:03.42 | PerfDave | bin2hex: Yes, testing only has security updates near a release. If you want to carry on running testing (etch), you won't get security updates. If you change your sources.list everywhere from "testing" to "sarge" you'll get security updates but no new software. |
| 22:03.46 | Disney-- | PerfDave: There is an absolute maximum number of simultaneous children defined by a compile-time limit which defaults to 256 |
| 22:03.46 | PeTeRB | surreal: There are no security updates for testing |
| 22:03.51 | PerfDave | AigleDor: Only the e-mail on debian-announce |
| 22:03.55 | giupy | jarango, #mplayer |
| 22:03.55 | giupy | bruce2005, sarge is stable now |
| 22:03.57 | Dr_O | surreal: this is a known bug... replace "testing" with "stable" |
| 22:04.22 | ethics | Dr_O bug implies nto intended....its in the release notes so its no bug |
| 22:04.25 | cureless | it's not a bug. |
| 22:04.26 | Disney-- | PerfDave: what i know you cannot set it in httpd.conf |
| 22:04.35 | surreal | thanks :) |
| 22:04.36 | PerfDave | Disney--: Oh, fair enough. If there's no way to discover that (apache -V perhaps) you'll need to look at the compile options in the source package. |
| 22:04.45 | AigleDor | PerfDave: Ok, i'll check it, thanks |
| 22:04.49 | bin2hex | PerfDave, thx too. that means that I should, for now, change everything to sarge, and some time from now revert to testing, right? when the new version starts getting security updates |
| 22:04.53 | mikaEL` | why debian doesn't have the latest versions of software packages like fedora has ? |
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| 22:05.13 | PerfDave | bin2hex: The new version won't be getting security updates until it's nearly released. |
| 22:05.25 | cureless | bin2hex: testing only gets "securty" updates when it's practically stable again. |
| 22:05.28 | bin2hex | PerfDave, ok, understood. thx |
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| 22:05.41 | brokentire | perfDave: one of my floppies was no good...cant find another |
| 22:05.50 | deadcat | NIS is insecure. what should i use to replace it? |
| 22:05.51 | ethics | bin2Hex on stable gets security till 1 month before release so you prolly want stable if your a server and testing if your a desktop and have a reasonable idea how to drive linux |
| 22:05.59 | Dr_O | mikaEL`: because debian stable is for peple who wnat their computer to work reliably! |
| 22:06.00 | [Roosta] | when vim-gtk is trying to install i get this error, dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org by vim-gtk' clashes with `diversion of /usr/bin/vim to /usr/bin/vim.org by kvim' |
| 22:06.04 | brokentire | perfdave: got 2 floppys that are good |
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| 22:06.16 | PerfDave | deadcat: LDAP over SSL? |
| 22:06.17 | brokentire | perfdave: and a cdburner |
| 22:06.21 | bin2hex | thx you all ppl. I'm off to make that changes |
| 22:06.22 | [Roosta] | anyone know how to solve this conflict |
| 22:06.24 | PerfDave | brokentire: I don't know if you can install Debian with two floppies. |
| 22:06.24 | peritus | mikaEL`: debian has the latest software in testing and unstable. when debian means stable it will just work, it might been outdated, but it will always have security fixes and just work |
| 22:06.38 | cureless | [Roosta]: are you running sarge? |
| 22:06.44 | PerfDave | brokentire: If you have a CD burner, why not just burn a CD installer image? |
| 22:06.50 | brokentire | perfdave: how could I burn a cd? |
| 22:06.56 | zap | how can i find out all packages which are installed from a certain source in sources.list? |
| 22:06.59 | PerfDave | brokentire: With a CD burning application? :) |
| 22:07.06 | [Roosta] | cureless - testing, trying to upgrade (aptitude dist-upgrade) |
| 22:07.12 | mikaEL` | peritus: thanx .. |
| 22:07.17 | PerfDave | brokentire: Or do you have no OS on the machine at all? |
| 22:07.21 | cureless | [Roosta]: to upgrade to testing? from what? testing? |
| 22:07.31 | peritus | mikaEL`: if you don't like that, stick with fedora :) |
| 22:07.32 | Dr_O | brokentire: you should be ok to install from 2 floppies |
| 22:07.41 | deadcat | PerfDave: cool. thanks. but LDAP without ssl still crap right? |
| 22:07.42 | jeff99 | what happend to http://security.debian.org testing/updates/main |
| 22:07.45 | PerfDave | [Roosta]: Have you checked the BTS for vim-gtk |
| 22:07.45 | [Roosta] | i've been running testing, which was 3.1 |
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| 22:07.49 | brokentire | perfdave: never used cdburner under linux..is there a shell based burning program...since x aint working |
| 22:07.50 | [Roosta] | onw it's sarge |
| 22:07.50 | PerfDave | deadcat: Security-wise, it's still crap. |
| 22:07.55 | deadcat | k |
| 22:07.58 | [Roosta] | but i want to stick with testing, not stop at sarge |
| 22:07.58 | cureless | [Roosta]: nothing assures you that testing will be in a usable state, these bugs will happen and eventually be resolved. |
| 22:07.58 | [Granger] | jeff99: testing does not receive security updates |
| 22:08.01 | PerfDave | brokentire: cdrecord will burn ISOs to CD-Rs |
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| 22:08.04 | mikaEL` | peritus: lol ... I hate fedora ... is too big and too 'stupid' :D |
| 22:08.21 | [Roosta] | testing should currently be sarge since it was released just yesterday shouldn't it |
| 22:08.30 | PerfDave | [Roosta]: If your sources.list reads "testing" or "etch" you will go with etch. If it reads "sarge" or "stable" you will go with Sarge. |
| 22:08.31 | cureless | [Roosta]: file a bug if there isn't one filed yet. Or wait for somebody to file and somebody to fix the bug. |
| 22:08.33 | [Granger] | [Roosta]: no |
| 22:08.39 | [Granger] | testing is testing is testing |
| 22:08.41 | PerfDave | [Roosta]: No, Sarge being released means that Sarge is stable, and Etch is testing. |
| 22:08.42 | ethics | !tell jeff about disec |
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| 22:08.51 | kingsley_ | panthera: Are you there? |
| 22:08.59 | deadcat | PerfDave: is LDAP with SSL the default or without SSL? |
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| 22:09.01 | cureless | [Roosta]: no, as soon as sarge is stable testing is etch. |
| 22:09.24 | bruce2005 | sorry bout the confusion, the errors thats stoppin me from loading x are as follows: xf860OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice No such device Configured Mouse: cannot open input device PreInit failed for input device "Configured Mouse" no core pointer" I'm not sure what kind of mouse i'm using, didn't have this problem with woody before |
| 22:09.24 | AigleDor | PerfDave: I didn't find any email about 3.1r0a on debian-anounce |
| 22:09.37 | PerfDave | deadcat: Default for what? Sarge's LDAP packages have SSL compiled in IIRC |
| 22:09.50 | deadcat | PerfDave: cool. |
| 22:09.54 | PerfDave | bruce2005: What sort of mouse do you have? |
| 22:09.54 | Dr_O | AigleDor: try debian-devel-announce |
| 22:10.07 | bruce2005 | PerfDave: its a compaq |
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| 22:10.08 | AigleDor | Dr_O: Ok |
| 22:10.11 | jeff99 | so, i want to countine running testing and not stable. like how i choose Sarge over Woody |
| 22:10.12 | ethics | bruce2005, ok what does your mouse plug into? ps2 or usb? |
| 22:10.14 | PerfDave | bruce2005: USB? PS/2? |
| 22:10.19 | PerfDave | deadcat: Just use ldaps://server in your NIS config instead of ldap://server |
| 22:10.21 | zap | how can i find out all packages which are installed from a certain source in sources.list? |
| 22:10.29 | I | shit |
| 22:10.36 | nunez | For some reason my sound isnt working, It worked before a reboot, I'm part of the audio group, aumix has the volume all the way up, the modules emu101k is loaded...Anything else that I could check? |
| 22:10.38 | PerfDave | jeff99: To run etch, put "etch" or "testing" in your sources.list instead of "sarge" or "stable". |
| 22:10.40 | jeff99 | should i use etch or sarge if i want testing |
| 22:10.42 | bruce2005 | PerfDave: two buttons and a scroller, what do u mean by PS/2? |
| 22:10.43 | I | everytime people say "I" it makes my IRC client announce it |
| 22:10.46 | ethics | zap: like what you mean from mirillat etc? |
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| 22:10.47 | I | STOP SAYING MY NICK :( |
| 22:10.54 | deadcat | PerfDave: cool. but if i have ldap why do i still need the NIS stuff? |
| 22:10.55 | jeff99 | does etch recive security updtates |
| 22:10.55 | PerfDave | bruce2005: What's the connector on the end, where it plugs into the computer? |
| 22:10.59 | EdibleText | I dont care |
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| 22:11.04 | [Granger] | I: get a different nick then |
| 22:11.04 | PerfDave | deadcat: Sorry, I meant NSS, not NIS. |
| 22:11.04 | bruce2005 | lemme look |
| 22:11.05 | Wharfedale | Hi ther |
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| 22:11.09 | ethics | I: I is the abreviation for Idiot? |
| 22:11.11 | PerfDave | jeff99: Sarge is now stable, etch is now testing. |
| 22:11.18 | zap | ethics: from my local repository |
| 22:11.20 | crylyx | hi, what package do i have to get for the 'libtoolize' command? |
| 22:11.23 | PerfDave | jeff99: The testing distribution does not recieve security updates. |
| 22:11.25 | Wharfedale | Done anyone here use debian on vmware or use vmware on debian? |
| 22:11.26 | Wharfedale | lol |
| 22:11.30 | zap | ethics: i want to find out which packages i can safely delete |
| 22:11.32 | PerfDave | crylyx: /msg dpkg search |
| 22:11.33 | Wharfedale | If so i would love some advice |
| 22:11.40 | giupy | Wharfedale, what do you want to know ? |
| 22:11.41 | Wharfedale | Since i'mstuck |
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| 22:11.44 | deadcat | its taht Xinux dumb fuck |
| 22:11.44 | bruce2005 | PerfDave: no dont think its a usb |
| 22:11.45 | zap | ethics: after having updated to new stable |
| 22:11.47 | jeff99 | PerfDave, so when i change testing to etch, i will still have newer software than stable and still get security updates? |
| 22:11.49 | Wharfedale | Um |
| 22:11.54 | Wharfedale | Where shall i start |
| 22:11.56 | plugwash | Wharfedale i use debian on vmware |
| 22:11.57 | brokentire | perfdave does cdrecord work with a shell? |
| 22:12.00 | [Granger] | jeff99: no |
| 22:12.00 | PerfDave | jeff99: No. Etch == testing. Sarge == stable. |
| 22:12.01 | Dr_O | jeff99:NO |
| 22:12.02 | bucky | I am a narcissist |
| 22:12.06 | PerfDave | brokentire: Yes, it's a command-line application. |
| 22:12.10 | [Granger] | testing does NOT receive security updates |
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| 22:12.13 | Wharfedale | Do you have a internet connection on it? |
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| 22:35.23 | *** topic/#debian is SARGE HAS OFFICIALLY RELEASED. NO NEED TO TELL US ABOUT IT. WE'RE IN #DEBIAN. OBVIOUSLY WE KNOW. | INSTALLING DEBIAN? /msg dpkg install debian | READ FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | READ BTS: /msg dpkg bts | Paste in #flood or /msg dpkg paster, NOT here | /msg bots NOT people | X.org -> /msg dpkg xorg | Java -> /msg dpkg java | kde 3.4 is not packaged yet | non-us is part of main |
| 22:35.28 | NewpZ | whats the make-kpkg command to build j2re 1.4? |
| 22:35.31 | Wyzard | McKillroy: As a combination of several small fast disks and one large slow disk, that sounds reasonable |
| 22:35.39 | jasoncohen | ethics, it is? there are still packages that are shown as frozen. The release maintainers haven't removed the freeze yet. |
| 22:35.41 | Dr_O | scar`: look in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 22:35.42 | jeff99 | !tell newpz java |
| 22:35.54 | EdibleText | scar`, then be sure that inetd\\xinetd is running |
| 22:35.55 | edison | Help i have two linux computer A and B, both is started, How to run program stocked on the computer A with the computer B ? |
| 22:36.00 | McKillroy | ethics: Like this: (Mirror Raid 1: (Stripeset Raid0: Disk1+Disk2) + Disk3 ) |
| 22:36.08 | bruce2005 | finally, after getting every error possible in the world have sarge and kde installed |
| 22:36.11 | NewpZ | jeff9 99: i didnt ask that |
| 22:36.42 | PerfDave | edison: Remote login with ssh |
| 22:36.52 | McKillroy | Wyzard: I just am not sure about how the reading is done in a Software RAID 1: Alternating or only from the primary ? |
| 22:36.55 | PerfDave | bruce2005: What was the problem? The mouse device? |
| 22:36.57 | jeff99 | i belive you have to install a packge to convert it...look in apt-cache java and i think its in testing |
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| 22:37.05 | ethics | McKillroy. back in the day where DBAs where glorified sysadmins and disks were expensive and slow we used to platter splatter databases...ie data on a stripe indexes on a strip and then mirror stripes to other disks....it works really well increasing speed but it meant 2 raid cards in the server and all scsi.....not sure if the benefits exist anymore with the buffers on drives now....ie back then cache was like 32k now my ide drives have 8mb cache min |
| 22:37.11 | scar` | EdibleText, 954 ? 00:00:00 inetd |
| 22:37.11 | scar` | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.16 | bucky | NewpZ, apt-get install fakeroot java-package && fakeroot make-jpkg jre-1_5_0_03-linux-i586.bin |
| 22:37.22 | scar` | Dr_O, can't find anything that could help me out there....? |
| 22:37.25 | Belboz99 | okay, how does a 2.6 kernel built for AMD K7 sound? |
| 22:37.27 | Wyzard | McKillroy: I think it's just whichever disk happens to satisfy the read request first |
| 22:37.33 | Belboz99 | I've got a 2400+ |
| 22:37.35 | Wyzard | McKillroy: not 100% sure though |
| 22:37.41 | NewpZ | ahhh so its just the make-jpkg without options? |
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| 22:37.47 | NewpZ | its been a while since i did it |
| 22:37.48 | NewpZ | hehe |
| 22:37.51 | EdibleText | scar`, can you connect to proftp? |
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| 22:38.00 | bucky | Belboz99, it uses alsa |
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| 22:38.06 | edison | PerfDave, rsh will load program from A and then execute file on B ? |
| 22:38.12 | bruce2005 | PerfDave: i changed it to what u told me and chose Ps/2 , thanks |
| 22:38.18 | Belboz99 | is there anything wrong with that bucky? |
| 22:38.19 | jeff99 | could you re-compile your whole kernel and make it faster for your specific processor? |
| 22:38.29 | bucky | Belboz99, it's the best |
| 22:38.30 | PerfDave | edison: Use ssh, not rsh |
| 22:38.34 | PerfDave | bruce2005: Yay :) |
| 22:38.34 | Belboz99 | cool |
| 22:38.35 | McKillroy | Wyzard: Some vendors sell this "fastest read" RAID 1 as "RAID 1.5" as opposed to raid systems that read only from the primary. |
| 22:38.40 | bucky | NewpZ, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/142 |
| 22:38.48 | Belboz99 | well, I think I'll give it a shot |
| 22:38.48 | edison | PerfDave, ok |
| 22:38.50 | Guerin | edison: you'll need to use some sort of filesharig system for that - nfs or similar |
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| 22:38.52 | bruce2005 | i dont know what ppl would do without this channel, seriously |
| 22:39.00 | Belboz99 | what's the easiest way to go about upgrading the Kernel? |
| 22:39.02 | ethics | jasoncohen, i got updated pakages file from apt-get update which normally only happens when theres a glitch in the matrix.....ie they changed something.... |
| 22:39.03 | EdibleText | scar`, I bet a 'dpkg-reconfigure proftp' will allow you to change whether it starts via inetd or init.d |
| 22:39.13 | Belboz99 | a link will do |
| 22:39.18 | simonrvn | proftpd |
| 22:39.19 | EdibleText | dpkg-reconfigure proftpd |
| 22:39.21 | paulswm | bruce2005: To a certain extent, think and research :) |
| 22:39.29 | PerfDave | edison: No, ssh will not load a program from A and execute it on B. It will run the program on A, and display the results on B (assuming you log in from B to A) |
| 22:39.34 | PerfDave | bruce2005: They'd e-mail debian-user instead :) |
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| 22:39.47 | simonrvn | they do anyway |
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| 22:39.57 | PerfDave | This is true |
| 22:40.03 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 22:40.07 | McKillroy | ethics: I am thinking about software raid. (pizzabox server 1u) |
| 22:40.09 | edison | PerfDave, like telnet ? |
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| 22:40.22 | PerfDave | edison: ssh is like telnet, but more secure and offering more features |
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| 22:41.03 | EdibleText | PerfDave, s/more// :) |
| 22:41.04 | edison | PerfDave, well my problem is i need some thing to load from A and execute on B |
| 22:41.09 | ethics | McKillroy: just be aware that the IO overhead may reduce your gainds if they are ide drives.....ie try coppying a huge amount of data from one drive to another while the server is under load and see if performace craps out on you |
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| 22:41.25 | mos__ | is the experimental module, bcm4400, for the broadcom 4400 network card supported on the netinstall cd? |
| 22:41.34 | nuggio | how do I install gnome? I am trying to stick with testing |
| 22:41.43 | PerfDave | nuggio: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 22:41.47 | simonrvn | ssh is based upon telnet... just has capabilities added, like multi-connections, privilege separation in the daemon, can be built against several libraries to up the functionality, etc. |
| 22:41.49 | PerfDave | edison: You need to mount bits of A's filesystems on B. Look at NFS or Samba. |
| 22:41.52 | [Granger] | mos__: yes it is |
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| 22:42.07 | mos__ | [Granger]: thanks |
| 22:42.11 | PerfDave | simonrvn: Port forwarding, automagic X forwarding, encryption, compression... ;) |
| 22:42.13 | [Granger] | mos__: let me guess |
| 22:42.14 | [Granger] | laptop? |
| 22:42.20 | mos__ | no, worse |
| 22:42.21 | pureone | sftp :P |
| 22:42.23 | mos__ | dell |
| 22:42.26 | [Granger] | haha |
| 22:42.28 | [Granger] | ok you win |
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| 22:42.37 | simonrvn | the multiple conns. is a new thing, which was needed for sarge to actually go stable, for the mirrors or something |
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| 22:42.39 | mos__ | not for me |
| 22:42.41 | Witizer | hi, bug founded in DVD/CD isos, 3.1r0a expected |
| 22:42.43 | mos__ | for a friend |
| 22:42.46 | simonrvn | PerfDave: *ding* ;) |
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| 22:42.55 | edison | PerfDave, i mounted / , /var and /usr but i have to chroot ? |
| 22:42.58 | McKillroy | ethics: The funny thing is - its a mixed setting: 1 sysi 34 and a scsi 68 (uw 160 both) and 2 new maxtor 200GB ATAs with 16megs cache each |
| 22:43.04 | PerfDave | edison: Eh? |
| 22:43.08 | zenlunatic | I should know this by now, but exactly how is stable debian more stable than other distros? |
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| 22:43.14 | edison | PerfDave, because of the library |
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| 22:43.26 | paulswm | zenlunatic: better testing and QA |
| 22:43.30 | PerfDave | edison: I have no idea what you're talking about now. You need a *network* mount, not a *local* mount |
| 22:43.39 | PerfDave | zenlunatic: Nothing changes, except security updates, which are backported. |
| 22:43.44 | zenlunatic | paulswm: they test every package? |
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| 22:43.53 | PerfDave | Anyway, I'm off to bed :) |
| 22:43.53 | zenlunatic | paulswm: for stability? |
| 22:44.01 | ethics | Mckillroy: shouldnt make too much of an issue as long as the strip isnt on 2 different speeds...... |
| 22:44.12 | edison | PerfDave, I monted via NFS |
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| 22:44.20 | ethics | McKillroy: the mirror can catch up the stripe you wait on |
| 22:44.42 | McKillroy | ethics: How do you mean that ? |
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| 22:45.55 | bruce2005 | i typed the command startx in SU mode, not sure if thats okay |
| 22:45.57 | ethics | McKillroy: in high IO times a mirror will be out of sync......the raid interface queues up what its behind on and then catches up when the IO drops a little......thats why raid cards have memory on them...ie adaptec AAA-133 had a 32 MB sdram simm slot on it.... |
| 22:46.05 | simonrvn | bruce2005: no it isn't |
| 22:46.06 | predius | Guys, any stable mirrors? |
| 22:46.07 | zenlunatic | bruce2005: probably not |
| 22:46.21 | peritus | predius: pick one near you |
| 22:46.22 | predius | The only one who I have seen that has 3.1stable is the official, which is slow. |
| 22:46.40 | peritus | the isos? |
| 22:46.42 | ethics | McKillroy: the stripe however will be doing most of your realtime needed work...thats why youd have a stripe |
| 22:46.45 | simonrvn | predius: apt-setup |
| 22:46.49 | nvz | bruce2005: no its not really okay |
| 22:46.49 | bruce2005 | but if i start linux again, it wont be in SU mode right |
| 22:46.55 | predius | for the isos. |
| 22:46.57 | george_007 | How can I update a package and all the packages on which it depens? |
| 22:46.58 | zenlunatic | predius: bittorrent |
| 22:46.59 | McKillroy | ethics: I thought about (RAID1: (raid 0: sda1+sdc1) + hda1) with some sparespace ( sda2 and hda2) |
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| 22:47.05 | nvz | bruce2005: you type exit to exit the su |
| 22:47.21 | bruce2005 | nvz: right now i'm in kde |
| 22:47.23 | McKillroy | ethics: the system is a Diual Athlon MP 2400 on a Tyan Thunder S2468 |
| 22:47.35 | bruce2005 | nvz: when i type exit it exits my consule |
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| 22:47.43 | McKillroy | ethics: with 2 gigs ecc ram - should work in a software raid |
| 22:47.48 | Talnakh | McKillroy, when you get raid, please post here some results of performance |
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| 22:47.59 | nvz | bruce2005: you should not run apps as root when they do not require it. it opens you up to greater risk if there are software bugs or holes |
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| 22:48.15 | McKillroy | Talnakh: will |
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| 22:48.35 | ethics | McKillroy: shouldnt have any performance issues then.... |
| 22:48.35 | scar` | EdibleText, well it asks me wether to start in standalone or inetd |
| 22:48.36 | Talnakh | McKillroy, results should be interesting, especially because u mix so many partitions |
| 22:48.39 | bruce2005 | nvz: but if start linux again, it wont start in SU mode |
| 22:48.45 | predius | Ugh, is there another bt client which is not azureus on testing? |
| 22:48.53 | Wyzard | bruce2005: su isn't a "mode" |
| 22:49.05 | plugwash | is there any way to tell aptitude NOT to remove a specific package during dist-upgrade |
| 22:49.11 | McKillroy | ethics: How do I make sure, that the stripeset makes tha main work and not the ATA ? |
| 22:49.16 | jetscreamer | can a .iso be mounted rw, you write to it and burn the new .iso? |
| 22:49.17 | dli | why I got "invalid module format" in install nvidia-kernel 7664 |
| 22:49.17 | jetscreamer | !info bittornado sarge |
| 22:49.20 | jetscreamer | doesn't have it eh |
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| 22:49.27 | nvz | he may be a little bit think than I dummer he is |
| 22:49.30 | dpkg | bittornado: (bittorrent client with enhanced curses interface), section net, is optional. Version: 0.3.11-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 148 kB, Installed size: 836 kB |
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| 22:49.33 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:49.36 | jetscreamer | there it is |
| 22:49.40 | McKillroy | ethics: I mean - how do I determine the primary volume ? |
| 22:49.41 | plugwash | i'd rather not have to handle most of the upgrade by hand because it makes one stupid descision |
| 22:50.05 | plugwash | jetscreamer no iso9660 was not designed to be a read-write filesystem |
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| 22:50.09 | involved | !info elinks |
| 22:50.10 | jetscreamer | ah well |
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| 22:50.19 | onkko | !info gnome sarge |
| 22:50.20 | jetscreamer | thx plugwash |
| 22:50.22 | dpkg | gnome: (The GNOME Desktop Environment, with extra components), section gnome, is optional. Version: 64 (sarge), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 16 kB |
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| 22:50.33 | jetscreamer | gnome is the metapackage |
| 22:50.35 | ethics | McKillroy: software raid i do not know |
| 22:50.39 | involved | does dpkg say which version of a package is on stable? |
| 22:50.49 | Talnakh | !bittornado |
| 22:51.02 | SniperDevil | hey, upon doing a dist-upgrade, letting it run all night, and then shutting off my computer at 5 AM as it was being incredibly loud, now it just sort of hangs (doesn't do anything) after i login with GDM into GNOME |
| 22:51.03 | jetscreamer | !info icewm-gnome stable |
| 22:51.04 | McKillroy | ethics: Thanks a lot - I will measure. Is bonnie appropriate for that ? |
| 22:51.04 | predius | how to I poen bittornado? |
| 22:51.10 | edison | PerfDave, i did on computer B mount -t nfs computer_A_IP_Address:/ /nfs/, but after when i try /nfs/usr/bin/command that command need others command and library, to solve that i need to chroot /nfs/ but i get error chroot can't find /bin/bash ? |
| 22:51.12 | involved | !info elinks stable |
| 22:51.12 | dpkg | icewm-gnome: (A wonderful Win95-OS/2-Motif-like window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.9.2-7 (woody), Packaged size: 255 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
| 22:51.12 | ethics | McKillroy: always been hardware raid or just basic mirrors.....performance for me is less of an issue i have mutiple boxen i can just turn on and off |
| 22:51.15 | jetscreamer | predius: btdownloadgui |
| 22:51.17 | TheJumbo | does the version 2.6.4-1 of package kernel-image-2.6.686 contain kernel version 2.6.4? I know the question sounds silly but I can't believe that is the latest version of debian kernel... |
| 22:51.19 | PeTeRB | !msg |
| 22:51.19 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 22:51.21 | predius | ok |
| 22:51.22 | predius | thanks. |
| 22:51.30 | jetscreamer | dpkg wtf woody != stable |
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| 22:51.32 | dpkg | no binary found. |
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| 22:52.00 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: dpkg still thinks woody is stable omg! |
| 22:52.06 | SniperDevil | anyone? |
| 22:52.19 | plugwash | jetscreamer last i checked it seems packages.debian.org does to |
| 22:52.21 | shingouz | !anyone SniperDevil |
| 22:52.23 | cat | hgdhhkfjugdjbfjlsdb |
| 22:52.29 | cat | cooksucker |
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| 22:52.32 | cuti | hey |
| 22:52.37 | plugwash | and packages.qa.debian.org seems to think we are still in the freeze |
| 22:52.49 | involved | !info elinks |
| 22:52.49 | nvz | cat: I bet the cook likes that |
| 22:52.49 | SniperDevil | shingouz: :( |
| 22:52.51 | cat | hello? |
| 22:52.56 | plugwash | i think debian does releases so rarely it takes a while to clean up after doing one |
| 22:53.00 | PeTeRB | nvz: Good point. |
| 22:53.04 | cat | sorry |
| 22:53.05 | ethics | TheJumbo, 2.6.8-2 is the lates in stable....2.6.11 is in unstable........ |
| 22:53.09 | bucky | SniperDevil, why did the upgrade take all night.. you on dial up? |
| 22:53.11 | involved | !info mutt |
| 22:53.18 | involved | !info mutt stable |
| 22:53.18 | shingouz | SniperDevil: can you elaborate a bit so that we all know what the "doesnt work" means |
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| 22:53.31 | jetscreamer | black screen? |
| 22:53.31 | PeTeRB | cat: Common typo, eh? |
| 22:53.32 | cuti | can someone help me: do i need these modules in XFree86 Config file: Load "dbe" Load "extmod" Load "fbdevhw" Load "glx" Load "freetype" Load "type1" Load "speedo" Load "dri". Which one do i need to get rid of or i need all of them |
| 22:53.34 | TheJumbo | ethics: I have no such version (of the package) in dselect... |
| 22:53.45 | jetscreamer | cuti: for what vid card |
| 22:53.48 | SniperDevil | bucky, no; when I went to bed, it was actually upgrading the packages, but i didn't want to stay up another half-hour or so to do it. I had already configured them, I thought, in the dialog |
| 22:53.55 | cuti | jetscreamer, i have nvidia |
| 22:54.01 | TheJumbo | ethics: is that a prblem with my sourcelist or is the package version different? |
| 22:54.06 | Wyzard | cuti: It's safe to leave them all in |
| 22:54.10 | SniperDevil | shingouz: it won't do anything after logging into gdm. perhaps i shouldn't have done dist-upgrade while in X? |
| 22:54.14 | jetscreamer | cuti: lose gl_core and dri, enable glx, say no to frame buffer |
| 22:54.15 | nvz | cuti: if they are not able to load it wont hurt anything |
| 22:54.19 | ethics | TheJumbo : in sources list what do you have for the distro? stable/testing/sarge etch woody? |
| 22:54.23 | SniperDevil | shingouz: it just sits there. |
| 22:54.26 | Belboz99 | okay, do I have to edit my Lilo.conf now that I installed the 2.6.8.2-K7 kernel? |
| 22:54.28 | bucky | SniperDevil, define now it just sort of hangs |
| 22:54.32 | ethics | TheJumbo, sources probably. |
| 22:54.34 | shingouz | SniperDevil: not really a good idea to do anything major to the system imho |
| 22:54.35 | involved | !info mutt stable |
| 22:54.50 | jetscreamer | Belboz99: if you apt-got it it 'should' have been automagically updated |
| 22:54.53 | cuti | jetscreamer, i need to Load GL_Core? |
| 22:54.56 | TheJumbo | ethics: a lot of stuff, let me see |
| 22:55.02 | shingouz | SniperDevil: boot into the console instead of X, see if it works better |
| 22:55.02 | jetscreamer | cuti, no, LOSE it |
| 22:55.04 | Belboz99 | jetscreamer, SWEET! |
| 22:55.08 | SniperDevil | shingouz: heh, in hindsight, you're right. but what could it be now? perhaps it's just a gnome config file that's corrupted. |
| 22:55.13 | Belboz99 | gotta love debian that way :) |
| 22:55.14 | SniperDevil | that happened to me before |
| 22:55.18 | simonrvn | oh crap |
| 22:55.21 | cuti | jetscreamer, i dont have any GLCore here |
| 22:55.30 | ethics | TheJumbo: paste in #flood |
| 22:55.36 | jetscreamer | cuti: yay. |
| 22:55.40 | nvz | cuti: you must have lost it |
| 22:55.41 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:55.43 | cuti | jetscreamer, i it Load "glx"? |
| 22:55.46 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 22:55.48 | bucky | SniperDevil, if you can't ctl-alt F2 and reboot .. i guess you'll have to do a reset |
| 22:55.56 | cuti | i dont need glx right? |
| 22:55.58 | cuti | what is it |
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| 22:56.06 | Wyzard | cuti: glx is OpenGL support |
| 22:56.07 | jetscreamer | no to dri, and say no to framebuffer when the script asks you... |
| 22:56.10 | cuti | oh |
| 22:56.13 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: so fix it. |
| 22:56.16 | cuti | thanks Wyzard jetscreamer ! :) |
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| 22:56.18 | SniperDevil | bucky: i'm on the same machine (dual-boot) in XP |
| 22:56.21 | Belboz99 | sweet, it's running! :) |
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| 22:56.27 | SniperDevil | so I can't inform you on the progress |
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| 22:56.28 | jetscreamer | dondelelcaro: my perl-fu is nonexistent |
| 22:56.37 | Wyzard | cuti: Some of the others, like DRI and the framebuffer, aren't *necessary* with your current hardware, but it's harmless to have them there, so it's best to just leave them |
| 22:56.39 | Belboz99 | damnit |
| 22:56.42 | dondelelcaro | jetscreamer: oh, you mean the !info stuff... yeah, I'll take care of that. |
| 22:56.43 | TheJumbo | ethics: I just did |
| 22:56.45 | bucky | SniperDevil, so you're running XP right now? |
| 22:56.48 | Wyzard | cuti: That way you're less likely to have to change things in the future |
| 22:56.54 | SniperDevil | bucky: yeah. |
| 22:56.55 | cuti | oh |
| 22:57.11 | Belboz99 | "Please append a correct "root=" boot option" |
| 22:57.19 | cuti | Wyzard, what is for frambuffer? |
| 22:57.23 | cuti | is it dbe? |
| 22:57.24 | bucky | SniperDevil, so you're saying it hangs when you try to boot debian? |
| 22:57.28 | Belboz99 | Kernel Panic: VFS |
| 22:57.31 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: cuti , i always read (and always have) lose the dri and framebuffer... iirc the fb did mess with me once |
| 22:57.34 | nvz | Belboz99: what did you do? |
| 22:57.53 | cuti | oh |
| 22:57.55 | Belboz99 | I apt-get'ed the latest kernel for my K7 |
| 22:57.55 | nvz | Belboz99: or more likely what didn't you do.. heh |
| 22:57.59 | Belboz99 | then I rebooted |
| 22:58.00 | ethics | TheJumbo, ok edit that file wherever you have non-free delete it and replace WOODY with SARGE in it...the apt-get upgrade |
| 22:58.13 | SniperDevil | bucky: it hangs *after* I login to GDM |
| 22:58.18 | nvz | Belboz99: did you not read what it said, about editing lilo.conf and adding the initrd= line? |
| 22:58.19 | involved | !info mutt stable |
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| 22:58.28 | scar` | EdibleText, I have just set ProFTPd to start from inetd but I cant connect to it. it surely has the right configuration |
| 22:58.30 | SniperDevil | i can move the mouse and whatnot, but it doesn't do anything other than sitting there, idle |
| 22:58.32 | jetscreamer | Belboz99: check the symlinks in / , ls -lA / , and make sure they point at the correct files in /boot ... then rerun lilo... less /etc/lilo.conf | grep -i initrd also and verify that the line exists |
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| 22:58.41 | Belboz99 | yeah, but jetscreamer said that apt-get would do that all for me |
| 22:58.44 | bucky | SniperDevil, do you start gdm from the command line or does it come up automatically? |
| 22:58.51 | SniperDevil | bucky: automatically |
| 22:58.54 | involved | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:59.05 | involved | so nice :) debian sarge is teh win! |
| 22:59.07 | TheJumbo | ethics: thanks a lot, I'll try it out |
| 22:59.09 | Belboz99 | damn, I gotta run |
| 22:59.15 | dondelelcaro | !info libc6 |
| 22:59.20 | Belboz99 | I'll be back in about 2 hours |
| 22:59.23 | bucky | SniperDevil, and when you log into gnome.. what doesn't work.. the mouse.. the keyboard? what exactly? |
| 22:59.24 | Belboz99 | peace! |
| 22:59.30 | abrotman | involved: uhm .. don't you upgrade your kernel for security issues ? |
| 22:59.31 | nvz | Belboz99: jetscreamer is not yet a wizard, he doesnt even know perl-fu.. therefore you cannot unquestionably believe everything he says |
| 22:59.33 | jetscreamer | Belboz99: do what i sayd the second time |
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| 22:59.43 | SniperDevil | bucky: the mouse works, but it doesn't actually bring me into gnome |
| 22:59.45 | jetscreamer | and i didn't know it was a woody kernel |
| 22:59.52 | SniperDevil | it just sits there with the default desktop background |
| 23:00.15 | abrotman | dpkg!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 23:00.30 | bucky | SniperDevil, maybe try ctl-alt F2 and apt-get -f install |
| 23:00.31 | nvz | abrotman: down for upgrade |
| 23:00.38 | abrotman | oh dear lord! |
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| 23:00.45 | jetscreamer | dpkg went to get laid and smoke, he'll be back with stable being sarge |
| 23:00.48 | ethics | TheJumbo, currently you are running woody which is 3.0 thats just been replaced on the stable line as sarge....doing a apt-get dist-upgrade will bring you up to sarge but beware if its a server you should have backups etc before hand in case of something borking |
| 23:00.58 | bucky | SniperDevil, and maybe apt-get install --reinstall gnome2 |
| 23:00.59 | involved | abrotman: sure.. but not yet.. |
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| 23:01.04 | involved | in a few days i guess |
| 23:01.07 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:01.24 | SniperDevil | bucky, I'll try, brb to report ;) |
| 23:01.26 | jetscreamer | SniperDevil: move the .gnome stuff in ~ somewhere |
| 23:01.36 | abrotman | involved: but there's been quite a few iirc |
| 23:01.39 | SniperDevil | jetscreamer: yeah, that happened to me before; i'll try |
| 23:01.55 | gurubie | What's up with WINE and Sid? Quicken locks up everything frozen. Shouldn't apt-listbugs warn of this? I'm I the only person using Quicken? What did you do? |
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| 23:02.13 | abrotman | use gnucash ? |
| 23:02.16 | bucky | Sid sucks |
| 23:02.35 | bucky | Sid is a bug |
| 23:02.39 | SniperDevil | i might switch to sid from etch |
| 23:02.40 | ethics | involved: from those stats it implys you view alot of porn....... |
| 23:02.45 | jetscreamer | !smite bucky |
| 23:02.48 | SniperDevil | but i'll discuss that after i try this |
| 23:02.52 | cuti | bucky, yeah it is and it's freaking slow too |
| 23:02.53 | simonrvn | !troll bucky |
| 23:02.53 | SniperDevil | brb |
| 23:03.06 | cuti | ahaha |
| 23:03.11 | paulswm | sid == unstable so things will break from time to time, but maybe it isn't sid. If you are using sid, you're pretty much on your own if stuff doesn't work. |
| 23:03.12 | gurubie | abrotman, I will use gnucash when I get Q Deluxe working again with WINE so I can migrate. |
| 23:03.12 | cuti | he is a troll? |
| 23:03.14 | SDFH_Linux | is there a deb server somewhere with openoffice 1.9beta? |
| 23:03.17 | nvz | gurubie: umm first of all apt-listbugs only reports existing bugs, so file one if you think there should be one.. 2nd wine is a project in development, these things should be expected, recorded and reported to people who care |
| 23:03.20 | bucky | cuti, what's slow... Quicken in wine on Sid? |
| 23:03.27 | nvz | which by and large is not #debian |
| 23:03.35 | abrotman | gurubie: how does it crash ? |
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| 23:03.46 | abrotman | gurubie: btw .. #winehq might be more help |
| 23:03.56 | abrotman | SDFH_Linux: ask #debian-oo |
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| 23:04.11 | ttick | okay, autofs rocks, thanks guys. |
| 23:04.20 | TheJumbo | ethics: no new package list downloaded, nothing new to be installed by "upgrade" or "dist-upgrade" I think I am already running sarge. |
| 23:04.32 | gurubie | nvz, It worked last month.\ |
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| 23:04.55 | resiak | gurubie: Oh, and you do realise that part of running sid is dealing with new bugs, don't you? |
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| 23:05.13 | ethics | TheJumbo, hmm repaste sources.list ill have another look i may have missed something else.. |
| 23:05.24 | nvz | gurubie: meet sid, he's a destructive little bastard |
| 23:05.28 | TheJumbo | ethics: I'll paste the new one |
| 23:05.30 | gurubie | nvz, Two, I will file a report but I can't be the only one using WINE/Sid for Quicken. Again this all worked last month. |
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| 23:05.47 | XxlOaF | So now that sarge is offical, when I apt-get update on the testing server, what release am I getting? still sarge? or sid? |
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| 23:05.55 | abrotman | XxlOaF: etch |
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| 23:06.12 | abrotman | gurubie: ask #winehq |
| 23:06.14 | gurubie | nvz, Nothing else in Sid gives me a problem, this stands out. |
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| 23:06.34 | SDFH_Linux | ok thanks |
| 23:06.39 | ethics | TheJumbo, deb http://ftp.debian.cz/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib can be deleted.......non-us is now in main..... |
| 23:06.57 | TheJumbo | ethics: ok, I'll do that |
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| 23:07.01 | nbr | what package do i need to do the command java -jar ? |
| 23:07.02 | XxlOaF | abrotman: Im sorry, etch? |
| 23:07.07 | ethics | other than that it should work fine..... |
| 23:07.10 | abrotman | !etch |
| 23:07.10 | dpkg | i heard etch is the codename for the Debian release to follow sarge. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ : <releases> |
| 23:07.11 | Wyzard | gurubie: "nothing else in sid gives me a problem" means you've been lucky, not that sid is never supposed to break |
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| 23:07.18 | XxlOaF | ooh |
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| 23:07.23 | XxlOaF | thanks |
| 23:07.25 | abrotman | gurubie: if you want stable .. don't use sid |
| 23:07.54 | ethics | TheJumbo: and apt-get update fetched no new? |
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| 23:08.03 | TheJumbo | ethics: no |
| 23:08.10 | nbr | i downloaded a program and the installation instructions say to type java -jar <filename> . bash said that isn't a command, so i guess i need something? |
| 23:08.17 | TheJumbo | ethics: I just did an upgrade a few hours ago |
| 23:08.22 | nvz | I need some electrical tape :P I need to run a wire off my PS to power the speakers |
| 23:08.32 | rrauli | nbr: java.sun.com |
| 23:08.33 | Wyzard | nbr: You probably don't have Java installed |
| 23:08.37 | TheJumbo | ethics: I just think of switching to a debian kernel |
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| 23:08.46 | nbr | is it a package i can get with apt-get? |
| 23:08.50 | xtension | !yo |
| 23:08.50 | dpkg | Wazzup man? |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | rrauli: no |
| 23:09.10 | plugwash | !java |
| 23:09.10 | dpkg | a platform independent OO language. Server-side Java is extremely powerful due to the threads capabilities and the huge number of APIs available. On the other hand, Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java> and <sid mozilla java> (for starters). write once, run nowhere, or write once, run away |
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| 23:09.14 | abrotman | nbr: which version fo debian ? |
| 23:09.22 | Wyzard | nbr: Sun Java isn't directly installable for licensing reasons, but there's a package called "java-package" that contains a tool you can use to make a .deb package out of a Sun Java download |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | !install java |
| 23:09.29 | dpkg | First, read <java licensing>. Still here? If you're in sarge or sid, ask me about <java-package>. If you're in woody, grab java-package manually from http://packages.debian.org/java-package and then ask me about <java-package> for instructions on how to use it. Also, ask me about <java-package howto> |
| 23:09.31 | TheJumbo | ethics: and dselect still shows this for kernel-image-2.6-686: "Opt base kernel-image <none> 2.6.4-1" |
| 23:09.33 | nbr | sarge |
| 23:09.35 | abrotman | rrauli: nbr ^^ |
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| 23:09.58 | nbr | !dpkg java-package |
| 23:09.58 | dpkg | from memory, java-package is the new name for mpkg-j2se... err, I mean j2se-package... DAMN IT, CAN'T THEY PICK A NAME?! Anyway, it lets you build a .deb file from Sun's non-free upstream Java distributions. See "man make-jpkg". Cf. "make-kpkg" (from kernel-package).only in sarge and sid currently, but it's a -all package, so it's safe to use it in woody. This packages lives in 'contrib', so make sure you have that in your sources.list. ... |
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| 23:10.16 | involved | brb* |
| 23:10.16 | rrauli | abrotman: sure thing, but i prefer to just extract the java archive in /usr/local |
| 23:10.26 | abrotman | rrauli: that's your fault .. don't fuck up someone else's machine |
| 23:10.31 | resiak | rrauli: And then what if you want to install something that depends on Java? |
| 23:10.33 | nbr | holy. that seems complicated. |
| 23:10.38 | abrotman | nbr: it's very easy |
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| 23:10.46 | abrotman | nbr: apt-get install java-package |
| 23:10.54 | abrotman | nbr: download the .bin form java.sun.com |
| 23:10.59 | resiak | Wyzard: Well then, fix it. |
| 23:11.05 | abrotman | nbr: run make-jpkg blah.bin |
| 23:11.06 | kyu | Ok so i just installed "x-window-system" and i still get that "cannot stat /etc/X11/X: no such file or ..." message |
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| 23:11.14 | abrotman | nbr: i think then you install the deb file |
| 23:11.18 | kyu | Can someone just tell me what that file is! |
| 23:11.20 | kyu | :) |
| 23:11.20 | abrotman | nbr: it pretty much walks you along |
| 23:11.35 | cuti | in gentoo they set /etc/env.d/99kde-env KDE_NO_IPV6=1. How do we set in debian? |
| 23:11.37 | abrotman | kyu: get that message when doing what ? |
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| 23:11.45 | Wyzard | kyu: I *think* that file is provided by xserver-xfree86, but I'm not 100% sure |
| 23:12.01 | abrotman | which should be included in x-window-system |
| 23:12.08 | kyu | abrotman, when starting 'startx' and 'X' and even 'xinit' |
| 23:12.18 | paulswm | It's not a file, it's a symbolic link to /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 23:12.19 | clump | I see /topic answered my question of non-US. |
| 23:12.23 | resiak | !faq kyu |
| 23:12.23 | dpkg | kyu: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 23:12.33 | Auriga | Hello everyone, I have a serious problem... after trying to upgrade to sarge, my box wotn resolve anything. The package was aalib1 .. and it warned in there about restarting services and not resolving, and it said a reboot would fix it, but it didnt. help! |
| 23:12.34 | abrotman | kyu: you don't want xdm/kdm/gdm ? |
| 23:12.45 | kyu | abrotman, no |
| 23:12.46 | nvz | Wyzard: I know that x-window-system depends on x-window-system-core, which depends on xserver-xfree86 |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | aalib1 messed up your dns ? |
| 23:13.00 | kyu | But even if i did, it wouldn't start if startx/etc wasn't working |
| 23:13.00 | Auriga | Its nto dns, resolve.conf looks fine. |
| 23:13.02 | NewpZ | weird i just pinned to Debian3.1r0/ and nothing got picked up with a -dist-upgrade |
| 23:13.02 | ethics | TheJumbo, if i was you id be deleteing the packages list files in /var/apt/cache then redoung apt-get update && apt-get Dist-upgrade to make sure your getting what you need...it seems like you have woody lists still rather than sarges.. |
| 23:13.06 | abrotman | resolv.conf |
| 23:13.07 | Wyzard | Auriga: aalib1 has nothing to do with resolving hostnames |
| 23:13.08 | shingouz | Auriga: check resolv.conf to begin with |
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| 23:13.18 | abrotman | NewpZ: did you apt-get update first ? |
| 23:13.24 | NewpZ | heh yeah |
| 23:13.27 | shingouz | Auriga: the permissions on the file too while you are at it |
| 23:13.28 | abrotman | just making sure |
| 23:13.28 | TheJumbo | ethics: I can do that |
| 23:13.30 | Auriga | I did it looks just fine. Somethign abotu NIS? |
| 23:13.49 | simonrvn | eew, NIS |
| 23:13.54 | shingouz | Auriga: the permissions too? |
| 23:13.55 | kyu | Whoever said that it was a symlink to XFree86, thanks! |
| 23:13.57 | clump | simonrvn lol |
| 23:14.02 | NewpZ | unless mirrors.kernel.org is outdated? |
| 23:14.04 | kyu | That's all i was looking for, for like 2 hours :/ |
| 23:14.07 | abrotman | NewpZ: it could be |
| 23:14.19 | Auriga | well looking |
| 23:14.28 | abrotman | i think i stopped using it because it seemed to update less frequently |
| 23:14.30 | NewpZ | hrm.. whats a good up to date mirror? |
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| 23:14.34 | abrotman | NewpZ: you sure your sources are right ? |
| 23:14.39 | Wyzard | kyu: It isn't a symlink to XFree86, actually |
| 23:14.39 | brokentire | can someone help me use cdrecord |
| 23:14.44 | lilwade | which iso's are the base system, plus a desktop with the 14 cd set for Debian 3.1 ??? |
| 23:14.44 | revenger_ | hmm can anyone help me with my english.. I'm looking for the translation of "zeugnis" .. you get it after a year is finished from a school .. something like a confirmation but what's the correct english word for it? |
| 23:14.52 | brokentire | it cant find my cdburner |
| 23:14.55 | lilwade | i can just apt-get the rest if i have too |
| 23:14.56 | kyu | Wyzard, making one seems to work, what is it ment to be? |
| 23:15.03 | simonrvn | NewpZ: they should all be up to date. ideally. and no, even the main mirror doesn't have update yet. i checked about an hour ago |
| 23:15.05 | abrotman | !de |
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| 23:15.05 | dpkg | [de] deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 23:15.10 | simonrvn | updates* |
| 23:15.18 | paulswm | Wyzard: X -> /usr/bin/X11/XFree86 |
| 23:15.23 | abrotman | revenger_: report card ? .. marks ? grades ? |
| 23:15.24 | NewpZ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/13690 |
| 23:15.28 | kyu | Looks like a symlink to me ;) |
| 23:15.30 | revenger_ | abrotman: marks.. |
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| 23:15.46 | revenger_ | abrotman: jaja I don't speak german in here just looking for a translation :-) |
| 23:15.48 | Wyzard | kyu, paulswm: On my system it's a small (~7k) binary, and "dpkg -S" tells me it's from the "xserver-common" package |
| 23:15.50 | paulswm | !prize kyu |
| 23:15.50 | abrotman | NewpZ: i don't htink that will work |
| 23:16.06 | NewpZ | errr it should |
| 23:16.08 | kyu | That's a foolish bot |
| 23:16.15 | nbr | abrotman, so i want J2SE 5? |
| 23:16.17 | abrotman | oh shit .. it should |
| 23:16.20 | paulswm | Wyzard: and what does ls -l /etc/X11 tell you about it? |
| 23:16.27 | abrotman | nbr: uhm .. i htink i have 1.5(java5) |
| 23:16.27 | Auriga | resolv.conf persions are -rw-r--r-- for root |
| 23:16.33 | TheJumbo | ethics: I must delete something else as well... the thing didn't download anything again |
| 23:16.34 | abrotman | NewpZ: guess they just started that |
| 23:16.37 | clump | lol, foolish bot |
| 23:16.53 | NewpZ | yup maybe later tonight |
| 23:16.54 | paulswm | Wyzard: nm, you said |
| 23:16.59 | kyu | Sory, i ahte bots which do cosmetic things such as that ;) |
| 23:17.00 | abrotman | NewpZ: i'd still go by name :) |
| 23:17.01 | abrotman | ie .. sarge |
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| 23:17.11 | Wyzard | paulswm: Oops, wrong file... I was looking at /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
| 23:17.11 | Wyzard | paulswm: /etc/X11/X is indeed the symlink |
| 23:17.12 | TwistedLappy | abrotman: whats the utility that checks EXT3 file systems for errors? |
| 23:17.16 | abrotman | NewpZ: apt-get update;apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 23:17.18 | paulswm | !fruitsmite kyu |
| 23:17.18 | abrotman | TwistedLappy: fsck |
| 23:17.29 | paulswm | !win me |
| 23:17.30 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 23:17.34 | kyu | Hehehe, well, thanks folks. Saved me some head scratching :) |
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| 23:17.37 | shingouz | Auriga: the permissions are correct. try ifdown/ifup on the card, then ping something with an url |
| 23:17.37 | masoft | anybody know that gchar is in which header ? (I know not related but #c and #c++ didn't answer) |
| 23:17.37 | paulswm | Damn, not again |
| 23:17.42 | vchrizz | could someone explain why i have no inet connection through my vpn-tunnel: http://rafb.net/paste/results/d7W12T64.html ? |
| 23:17.44 | TwistedLappy | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:17.48 | NewpZ | if someone could solve this, you'll be my hero! http://pastebin.ca/13688 |
| 23:17.52 | resiak | masoft: Why don't you look at the glib docs? |
| 23:17.55 | TheJumbo | ethics: apt-get autoclean shoud do the job... |
| 23:17.56 | clump | paulswm "You've got mail!" |
| 23:18.03 | Auriga | shingouz its pppoe its a router.. ive already stopped and restarted it. No luck |
| 23:18.07 | masoft | resiak, where are them ? |
| 23:18.10 | Auriga | and rebooted. |
| 23:18.12 | abrotman | NewpZ: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 23:18.23 | nbr | apt-get said it couldn't find java-package |
| 23:18.25 | resiak | masoft: Oh, come on, this is absolutely fucking pathetic. If you google for "gchar" it's the _first_ result. |
| 23:18.29 | nbr | !dpkg java-packag |
| 23:18.35 | ethics | TheJumbo: yeah its definately apt not getting the right package list... |
| 23:18.36 | abrotman | nbr: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 23:18.38 | shingouz | Auriga: pppoe... hmm... maybe the stuff in ppp(whatever)configs? |
| 23:18.41 | NewpZ | abrotman: locales is broken or not fully installed |
| 23:18.42 | Auriga | unfourtunetly i cant test and be here since dsl is connected to this machine so i could get some help |
| 23:18.47 | masoft | resiak, I did ! can't find ... |
| 23:18.58 | ethics | TheJumbo, afka min |
| 23:18.59 | TheJumbo | ethis: hm, it didn't |
| 23:19.00 | Auriga | shingouz, I've already reconfigured the configs. |
| 23:19.03 | abrotman | NewpZ: say what ? |
| 23:19.05 | NewpZ | abrotman: i think i have libc from sid or something that is throwing it off |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | NewpZ: maybe you should fix that first |
| 23:19.12 | abrotman | NewpZ: well . i have no idea then |
| 23:19.13 | resiak | masoft: "Basic Types -- standard GLib types, defined for ease-of-use and portability." "#include <glib.h>" "typedef gchar;" |
| 23:19.20 | resiak | masoft: http://www.google.com/search?q=gchar&ie=UTF8 |
| 23:19.26 | abrotman | nbr: apt-cache search java-package |
| 23:19.27 | paulswm | clump: Heh |
| 23:19.28 | shingouz | Auriga: check /etc/ppp/resolv.conf too while youre at it |
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| 23:19.35 | K_Dallas | Seeking advice: I have always installed Sarge via its netinstall CD and always opted for the package selection it has had to offer like email server, Desktop, etc and added a few packages manually. This time i have all the CDs and I am tempted to try to select _only_ the packages that i need nothing more, would aptitude resolve all the dependances, conflicts etc so the installation go flawlessly? |
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| 23:19.40 | masoft | resiak, I added glib.h ! but say gchar not declared !!! |
| 23:19.42 | NewpZ | how do u check the libc version ya got? |
| 23:19.43 | Empty | damn do I hate exim |
| 23:19.46 | Auriga | shingouz Okay one moment. |
| 23:19.46 | FLD | ./stepmania: error while loading shared libraries: liblua.so: cannot open shared object file:No such file or director |
| 23:19.51 | FLD | where i can get that |
| 23:19.53 | lilwade | is anyone in here familiar with debian 3.1 stable ??? |
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| 23:20.00 | abrotman | and tell nbr it's in contrib when he comes back :) |
| 23:20.00 | xtension | K_Dallas yes |
| 23:20.01 | masoft | resiak, test.c:6: error: `gchar' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 23:20.02 | ethics | newpz: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:20.06 | abrotman | lilwade: doubtful |
| 23:20.08 | resiak | masoft: If you don't _have_ glib.h, then that's a different matter. ;-) |
| 23:20.09 | shingouz | K_Dallas: yes it would |
| 23:20.10 | FLD | liblua.so |
| 23:20.11 | resiak | masoft: Sorry for biting your head off. |
| 23:20.13 | FLD | where? |
| 23:20.15 | FLD | what packet |
| 23:20.16 | clump | K_Dallas correct. You don't typically have to worry about dependencies with Debian in general. |
| 23:20.20 | abrotman | !tell fld about search |
| 23:20.21 | TheJumbo | ethics: what? |
| 23:20.24 | lilwade | im just trying to figure out which of the 14 cd's i can download |
| 23:20.24 | FLD | i wanna dance! |
| 23:20.31 | abrotman | lilwade: you have broadband ? |
| 23:20.32 | lilwade | that'll have the base system plus a desktop |
| 23:20.38 | lilwade | yes i have broadband |
| 23:20.40 | FLD | aw just tell me the packet |
| 23:20.40 | K_Dallas | clump, xtension, thanks |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | !d-i lilalinux |
| 23:20.42 | dpkg | lilalinux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:20.43 | abrotman | err |
| 23:20.45 | ethics | TheJumbo, im just going afk for 5 mins or so.. |
| 23:20.45 | abrotman | !d-i lilwade |
| 23:20.46 | FLD | i tyed search with apt-cache |
| 23:20.46 | dpkg | lilwade, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:20.49 | FLD | i installed all libluas |
| 23:20.50 | masoft | resiak, I had it ! it's in /usr/include !!! excuse me if ask so much :P |
| 23:20.52 | Empty | lilwade, get the netinst CD |
| 23:20.53 | FLD | and NO |
| 23:20.55 | Auriga | shingouz, there isnt one. I use rp-pppoe, for adsl. it wrtes to /etc/resolv.conf |
| 23:20.55 | abrotman | FLD: use apt-file |
| 23:21.07 | NewpZ | ethics, abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/13691 |
| 23:21.13 | clump | K_Dallas I've always done the netinst method or simply the single CD -> upgrade method. |
| 23:21.19 | lilwade | im trying to download netinstall i downloaded and burned the dvd's....... for some reason somethin aint workin right with the dvd |
| 23:21.23 | shingouz | Auriga: hmmmhhh... i havent used pppoe on debian so far :( |
| 23:21.27 | resiak | masoft: So you need to tell the compiler to look in the right place if it's not already. |
| 23:21.30 | abrotman | NewpZ: apt-get -f install |
| 23:21.41 | NewpZ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 23:21.44 | abrotman | lilwade: the netinst is 105MB |
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| 23:21.57 | ccg | is there any channel for valknut/dcgui-qt ? |
| 23:22.02 | TheJumbo | ethics: ok, thanaks anyway |
| 23:22.03 | abrotman | NewpZ: have you been using aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 23:22.04 | K_Dallas | clump: well i had the time to download all the 14-set to share with others and needed to install it for myself too so this time i will go with CD srouces |
| 23:22.09 | lilwade | ya i know abrotman.... last time i used the testing version netinstall..... i couldnt get my ethernet to start at all. |
| 23:22.11 | NewpZ | apt-get only |
| 23:22.13 | orchid | lilwade: you need only this floppy http://www.bowkera.com/images/Dolby%20Years/Dolby%20Bowker%20System%2036.jpg |
| 23:22.18 | abrotman | lilwade: hrm ... |
| 23:22.36 | clump | K_Dallas no harm in downloading everything. I just don't bother since mostly I run unstable ;) |
| 23:22.38 | abrotman | such a small floppy |
| 23:22.38 | orchid | lilwade: sry, couldnt resist |
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| 23:22.49 | lilwade | its ok orchid LOL |
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| 23:22.49 | hikenboot | hello folks ...not sure how to troubleshoot this one...I am running debian testing with a workstation install...(lots of modules loaded) The problem I have is very slow loopback ping times...any ideas how to troubleshoot this issue...is it possible for a driver to work but just work inefficiently? |
| 23:22.52 | Auriga | shingouz, that package installed something that warned me about resoloution problems.. it had dependancies. One of its dependancies restarted ssh amoung over things. I wish i saved the file. wdm, something about NTS? Does that ring a bell? |
| 23:23.00 | nvz | I think I could just about get most of my family other than my mother to switch to debian now, if I could get their wireless to work in the install |
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| 23:23.01 | TwistedLappy | When I try to do a fsck test on the drive it tells me that the drive is mounted? Do I need to init 1 to do a test scan? |
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| 23:23.08 | scar` | is it possible to create a directory in /home/~user/ that links him, when he clicks on it (for instance through ftp) to /adirectoy ? how can this be done? |
| 23:23.09 | SDFH_Linux | on a fresh install what should i use alsa or oss for sound? |
| 23:23.12 | shingouz | Auriga: nope :( |
| 23:23.13 | resiak | masoft: I suspect you use pkg-config to create appropriate compiler flags. |
| 23:23.13 | NewpZ | abrotman: in my /ect/locale.gen i have en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 23:23.14 | K_Dallas | one more thing: in the first attempt, Debian said it could not download the security patches etc and gave me a link with .../testing/... in it. why? and i was connected to the internet |
| 23:23.19 | clump | hikenboot slow loopback ping, as in pinging localhost? |
| 23:23.28 | abrotman | NewpZ: dpkg is messed up .. you MUST fix that first |
| 23:23.29 | hikenboot | yes or 127.0.0.1 |
| 23:23.37 | LSorense | scar`: like a symlink? |
| 23:23.39 | clump | hikenboot are you running iptables? |
| 23:23.41 | NewpZ | abrotman: where do i start? :) |
| 23:23.41 | shingouz | Auriga: PPPoE is something i haven't had to mess with a lot. fortunately |
| 23:23.41 | masoft | resiak, thx friend |
| 23:23.54 | timt | whats the easiest way to install a wireless PCMCIA card on knoppix?? |
| 23:23.57 | scar` | LSorense, something like that yea, but a symlink refers to a certain file, doesnt it? |
| 23:23.59 | LSorense | scar`: some ftp servers don't allow them in all cases |
| 23:24.06 | timt | anyone know of a good website for reference?? |
| 23:24.07 | paulswm | abrotman: Took me too long to load the shotgun. |
| 23:24.07 | nvz | timt: try asking #knoppix that one. |
| 23:24.08 | LSorense | scar`: symlinks are just references to another path |
| 23:24.13 | LSorense | scar`: they work for anything |
| 23:24.13 | hikenboot | umm...what module would ip tables be? |
| 23:24.14 | resiak | masoft: `pkg-config --libs --cflags glib` produces the correct flags for gcc |
| 23:24.16 | nvz | timt: or google.com |
| 23:24.19 | LSorense | scar`: hardlinks are for files only |
| 23:24.21 | hikenboot | i know its the firlewall |
| 23:24.22 | timt | nvz: thanks |
| 23:24.25 | scar` | LSorense, okay I'll go with that |
| 23:24.26 | shingouz | K_Dallas: there is no more security things on testing. sarge went stable |
| 23:24.29 | hikenboot | is it a loadable module? |
| 23:24.31 | LSorense | scar`: ln = hardlink, ln -s = symlink |
| 23:24.41 | clump | hikenboot well, I will take that as a no. Can you ping non-localhost addresses correctly?\ |
| 23:24.46 | Auriga | shingouz, if i remove aalib1 with its dependancies what will happen? |
| 23:24.51 | K_Dallas | shingouz: i understand that but why was it looking for it in the first place? |
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| 23:24.57 | resiak | masoft: Thanks, you've helped me out here too because I now know this. Sorry for swearing at you earlier: it was uncalled for. |
| 23:25.01 | hikenboot | yes but they are slow too |
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| 23:25.15 | clump | hikenboot iptables is a tool for modifying netfilter, the Linux 2.4 and above packet routing/filtering framework. |
| 23:25.18 | SDFH_Linux | on a fresh install what should i use alsa or oss for sound? |
| 23:25.20 | hikenboot | 924 ms or so to cisco |
| 23:25.21 | paulswm | !beat resiak |
| 23:25.22 | shingouz | Auriga: not the faintest idea, maybe your computer will reach critical mass and go china syndrome? |
| 23:25.29 | resiak | paulswm: Thanks. |
| 23:25.29 | shingouz | K_Dallas: new install? |
| 23:25.31 | Empty | SDFH_Linux, alsa |
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| 23:25.36 | K_Dallas | shingouz: yes |
| 23:25.39 | clump | hikenboot whats your load average? You can find this by typing "w". |
| 23:25.42 | hikenboot | yes i know what it does but i didnt install it unless its a standard install |
| 23:25.43 | paulswm | resiak: Hey, glad to help :) |
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| 23:26.02 | LSorense | SDFH_Linux: alsa is better than oss in every possible way |
| 23:26.11 | Auriga | shingouz, not that i cant since it cant resolve anything. *sigh* I'm going to try changing all the hostnames in sources.list to ips, and see if i can remove it... whats the worst that can happen? :P |
| 23:26.12 | clump | hikenboot iptables is standard but inactive. |
| 23:26.12 | SDFH_Linux | so alsa-base is all i need then |
| 23:26.13 | shingouz | K_Dallas: that is the first real bug that has been fixed on sarge after release. there is a new version out already i hear, r0a |
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| 23:26.20 | hikenboot | see #flood |
| 23:26.20 | hikenboot | brb |
| 23:26.41 | MasterChief | I want to reinstall debian and I want to format the hd with out using the dd thing. Does anyone know anysoftware that will go onto a flobby and let me boot off of it that will let me format the hard drive besides dos? |
| 23:26.42 | shingouz | Auriga: umm.. the computer finds someone else and runs away to marry him? |
| 23:26.43 | vortek | Any one got the quick fix to unstable breaking gnome ? |
| 23:26.50 | K_Dallas | shingouz: ok, i can live with that. i only need to modify my sources.list, right? |
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| 23:27.07 | SDFH_Linux | what uses less space and resources blackbox or icewm? |
| 23:27.11 | Auriga | shingouz: ok... real question. is there a way to regress to the previous versions of those files? |
| 23:27.12 | shingouz | K_Dallas: yup, just point the thing to stable (if that is what you want to have) |
| 23:27.14 | abrotman | !tell root__ about root |
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| 23:27.32 | lilwade | im gonna try the netinstall cd again |
| 23:27.32 | yarddog | i screwed up and updated to unstable, it removed gnome, how can i get back to stable now and restore my stuff? |
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| 23:27.35 | hikenboot | back |
| 23:27.37 | shingouz | Auriga: i think i'll pass that one too. out of my depth |
| 23:27.38 | abrotman | NewpZ: apt-get install perl ... dunno |
| 23:27.38 | whitetiger | hi at all =) |
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| 23:27.51 | MasterChief | Can anyone help? |
| 23:27.54 | resiak | !tell yarddog -about downgrade |
| 23:28.05 | NewpZ | abrotman: hehe |
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| 23:28.11 | bucky | master is this a dual boot machine? |
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| 23:28.14 | shingouz | MasterChief: the installer will let you format the drive |
| 23:28.17 | resiak | MasterChief: Why do you want to dd the disk? Just install Debian, and let the partitioner work its magic. |
| 23:28.17 | bucky | MasterChief, is this a dual boot machine? |
| 23:28.20 | whitetiger | who can help me with webserver apache? |
| 23:28.36 | whitetiger | i have a little problem |
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| 23:28.40 | whitetiger | very little |
| 23:28.42 | whitetiger | =) |
| 23:28.44 | MasterChief | I dont want to do it that way, I just want to get a clean start and completly format my hd |
| 23:28.47 | vortek | Has any one had any problems with unstable and gnome ? |
| 23:28.48 | shingouz | !ask whitetiger |
| 23:28.49 | abrotman | NewpZ: no ? |
| 23:28.53 | vortek | Like today at all after a upgrade |
| 23:28.55 | cuti | can someone help me this error in konqueror: konqueror: ERROR: Error in BrowserExtension::actionSlotMap(), unknown action : searchProvider |
| 23:29.01 | shingouz | !tell whitetiger about ask |
| 23:29.04 | XxlOaF | Im not sure if this is where I should ask but Ive found a bug I beleieve, on my box I have created TONS of virtual ethernet interfaces, like 1000+, but the problem lies in when I try to take the VERY FIRST one down, like the lowest numberd one, when I do that it takes the rest down with it |
| 23:29.04 | plugwash | whitetiger what exactly is the problem? |
| 23:29.04 | abrotman | #debian-kde |
| 23:29.09 | whitetiger | k |
| 23:29.11 | Empty | wow this really broke my CPAN shite guess I am learning my lesson :P |
| 23:29.20 | XxlOaF | anyone know why? |
| 23:29.27 | abrotman | XxlOaF: are you a spammer ? |
| 23:29.30 | bucky | MasterChief, boot up the installer.. ctl-alt F2 enter into a prompt and use fdisk |
| 23:29.32 | MasterChief | Anyone know about any softqare that would let me do that |
| 23:29.37 | cuti | abrotman, you got that error too? |
| 23:29.37 | MasterChief | ok |
| 23:29.42 | bucky | MasterChief, d for delete |
| 23:29.47 | XxlOaF | no, Im doing it for a lan party so people cant static IPs |
| 23:29.50 | bucky | MasterChief, w for write |
| 23:29.52 | shingouz | MasterChief: format the hd? the installer lets you format the hd |
| 23:30.22 | whitetiger | i have this problem: I use apache2 and i won't to regulate the access to my webserver from WAN (excuse my bad english).File access.conf does not exist.What kind of file i must edit? |
| 23:30.45 | jaro | Hi there. I made a funcking painful error - a sequence of commands in a makefile (cd $TARGETDIR ; rm -Rf * ) cleared entire project directory. Is there any possibilty to restore deleted files from a reiserfs? (debian sarge 2.6.10, however this is probably irrelevant) |
| 23:31.02 | Empty | XxlOaF, the first is probably the # and the rest are #:# |
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| 23:31.04 | abrotman | cuti: no .. i don't use kde .. i'm smarter than that :) |
| 23:31.11 | naoliv | Do I apply the kernel prepatch 2.6.12-rc6 on the version 2.6.11 or 2.6.11.11? |
| 23:31.14 | cuti | haha |
| 23:31.16 | abrotman | XxlOaF: so they can't use ? |
| 23:31.20 | cuti | abrotman, what do you use? |
| 23:31.26 | resiak | jaro: Short answer: "no". Long answer, "open your disk's device in a hex editor". |
| 23:31.31 | abrotman | cuti: anything else |
| 23:31.33 | cuti | is there another tool to replace konqueror for file browsing |
| 23:31.37 | Empty | XxlOaF, what you really really want is a switch with MAC control |
| 23:31.37 | cuti | which one abrotman ? |
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| 23:31.45 | whitetiger | no one? =( |
| 23:31.56 | abrotman | cuti: really .. anything but kde |
| 23:32.09 | MasterChief | bucky: ctrl+alt+2 doesnt work |
| 23:32.12 | hikenboot | clump what do you think of those numbers #flood? |
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| 23:32.20 | paulswm | I'm off, you all stay safe and don't fille with stuff and break it. |
| 23:32.27 | paulswm | s/fille/fiddle/ |
| 23:32.33 | abrotman | paulswm: we would NEVER! |
| 23:32.33 | shingouz | whitetiger: apparently not at the moment. sit tight and ask in a few hours again, maybe someone pops in and knows the answer then |
| 23:32.38 | bucky | MasterChief, F2 |
| 23:32.47 | shingouz | MasterChief: alt-F2 |
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| 23:32.52 | resiak | cuti: There are about a thousand. |
| 23:33.01 | MasterChief | bucky: That doesnt work eathier |
| 23:33.08 | paulswm | abrotman: you take care, buddy |
| 23:33.08 | bruce2005 | how can i install uml? |
| 23:33.14 | vortek | HEy HAS any one HAd a problem with UNSTABLE breaking X ? |
| 23:33.14 | cuti | but which one do you recommend? |
| 23:33.18 | XxlOaF | empty: this is the best and easiest way I have found to do this, me and a friend have created a network registration system and it is all automated and by binding EVERY sinle IP that our dhcp server hasnt supplied, it stop people from putting their own IPs in |
| 23:33.18 | toonX | can an 2.6 kernel function without initrd ? |
| 23:33.20 | bucky | MasterChief, ctl+alt+F2 |
| 23:33.25 | vortek | A simple yes or no PLEASE :: :) :) :) :) ? |
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| 23:33.33 | abrotman | paulswm: don't blame me! |
| 23:33.41 | paulswm | toonX: only if you build it not to need one. |
| 23:33.47 | MasterChief | Bucky: I know that doesnt work |
| 23:33.53 | abrotman | XxlOaF: there are easier ways |
| 23:33.56 | whitetiger | i have this problem: I use apache2 and i won't to regulate the access to my webserver from WAN (excuse my bad english).File access.conf does not exist.What kind of file i must edit |
| 23:34.00 | whitetiger | ? |
| 23:34.01 | shingouz | MasterChief: do you have X open? |
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| 23:34.19 | toonX | paulswm cool, anyways what would i need for initrd ? |
| 23:34.33 | XxlOaF | what do you suggest? it has to be able to be modified and automated though a webscript |
| 23:34.38 | xtension | whitetiger your firewall is open ? |
| 23:34.44 | bucky | MasterChief, ctl+alt+F2 if you can't give it that three finger salute then you're not booted up into linux |
| 23:35.02 | bucky | try F1 |
| 23:35.07 | whitetiger | xtension i don't use firewall |
| 23:35.10 | xtension | whitetiger apache defaults to be accesible from the outside |
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| 23:35.13 | shingouz | MasterChief: ctrl-alt-F2 if you are in X, alt-F2 if in CLI |
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| 23:35.16 | hikenboot | w shows time up but no cpu percentage as far as I can tell from the man pages |
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| 23:35.31 | resiak | whitetiger: Ask #apache |
| 23:35.35 | whitetiger | thx |
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| 23:35.47 | bucky | shingouz, i told him to boot into the install cd and get into a console |
| 23:35.48 | xtension | try to telnet your.wwwip.adres 80 and see if it connects |
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| 23:35.57 | MasterChief | Does fdisk format to, or just partion |
| 23:35.57 | bucky | it worked for me last time i tried it |
| 23:35.58 | vortek | Does any one Know bout a bug in unstable with X or GNOME for today? Has any one filed a REPORT IS THIS SITUATION KNOWN AT ALL ? |
| 23:36.04 | shingouz | bucky: in that case alt-F2, not ctrl-alt-F2 |
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| 23:36.19 | shingouz | MasterChief: partition |
| 23:36.36 | MasterChief | Well, I want to formatt |
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| 23:36.49 | NewpZ | abrotman: i just fixed it!..... dpkg-reconfigure locales would only halfway do it.. so i reinstalled locales.. now now more errors! |
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| 23:36.51 | shingouz | MasterChief: do you have partitions there? |
| 23:37.03 | holo | yaaheheaha weeeeeeeeeeeee :D finalyy! |
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| 23:37.06 | row | Hello there, I have a problem connecting to my nfs server, I can connect localy but not from another pc, I have turned off my firewall and stuff but get this error: "mount: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused", any ideas of the problem? |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | NewpZ: oh yay |
| 23:37.23 | MasterChief | Yes |
| 23:37.44 | NewpZ | sweet so that means that my system is working flawlessly now... maybe time to update to xorg? |
| 23:37.51 | shingouz | MasterChief: and you want to format them into what filesystem? |
| 23:38.00 | xtension | row could be a lot of things |
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| 23:38.14 | toonX | paulswm in 2.6.8 kernel it says /dev file system support OBSOLETE, i skip it , compile the kernel, create the initrd.img but then when booting, initrd bitches something about not finding modules.dep , if i compile the kernel with /dev file system support when booting initrd doesn't complaing about anything but later when it comes to mouting the partitions it says it doesn't find an valid block device! what do i do? |
| 23:38.18 | xtension | row is your system default debian install ? |
| 23:38.32 | XxlOaF | anyone know of a better chan to ask about a problem with virtual interfaces? |
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| 23:38.43 | MasterChief | I just want to restore my HD to how it was when I bought it. |
| 23:38.50 | hikenboot | is there any programs for debian for graphing cpu usage /time? |
| 23:38.55 | row | xtension: er yes and no, its rather old been installed for a few years now, unstable so some stuff might of been broken in the learning proccess. |
| 23:39.00 | NewpZ | hikenboot: top |
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| 23:39.13 | shingouz | MasterChief: are you going to install something on it or not? if yes, what are you going to install on it? |
| 23:39.15 | row | xtension: where would I start looking if it could be a lot of things. |
| 23:39.24 | xtension | row is the nfs box accesible over the network ? |
| 23:39.37 | MasterChief | No, I just want to get rid of everything. |
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| 23:39.44 | row | xtension: yes it runs a lot of things, smbd imap smtp bla bla |
| 23:39.54 | row | xtension: all work over the network |
| 23:39.55 | hikenboot | top is great I was thinking graphical..is there a graphical interface for this? |
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| 23:40.08 | row | gtop |
| 23:40.09 | NewpZ | hikenboot: gnome system monitor |
| 23:40.12 | vortek | apt-cache search top | grep gui |
| 23:40.17 | NewpZ | heh yeah gtoop |
| 23:40.17 | xtension | row does your exportfs file have the right network addresses in it ? |
| 23:40.22 | bruce2005 | i had a few questions, i'm instructed to install the uml kernel, how do i install the uml kernel, is it possible to switch back to my original kernel after i've installed uml? |
| 23:40.22 | jaro | resiak: Now I see how important the regular backups are ;-) Luckily I've found a lot of my work in a quite recent state located on another machine and most of important pieces scattered aroud being up-to-date :-) But the first moment was very very scary. |
| 23:40.30 | shingouz | MasterChief: first of all, if you answer to someone specific, please have the courtesy of putting the nick on the line. if you did the dd thingie you have the drive totally flattened out, partition and format with whatever you like |
| 23:40.33 | row | xtension: yes I do not see a fail from syslog like I should if it does not. |
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| 23:40.51 | xtension | row exportfs -v ? |
| 23:41.01 | hikenboot | thanks newpz |
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| 23:41.16 | xtension | row ??? |
| 23:41.17 | resiak | jaro: Yes. Now go get zsh, which has built in anti-`rm -rf *` protection. :-) |
| 23:41.17 | toonX | ANYONE met with this problem ? in 2.6.8 kernel it says /dev file system support OBSOLETE, i skip it , compile the kernel, create the initrd.img but then when booting, initrd bitches something about not finding modules.dep , if i compile the kernel with /dev file system support when booting initrd doesn't complaing about anything but later when it comes to mouting the partitions it says it doesn't find an valid block device! what do i do? |
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| 23:41.23 | silverton | is there a place to go, where I can see if certain hardware/chipsets are supported? |
| 23:41.30 | MasterChief | thank you |
| 23:41.31 | silverton | s/place/website/; |
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| 23:41.38 | bruce2005 | i had a few questions, i'm instructed to install the uml kernel, how do i install the uml kernel, is it possible to switch back to my original kernel after i've installed uml? |
| 23:41.41 | row | xtension: no exportfs cmd.... there is a export tho |
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| 23:41.56 | sparr_ | I have only two drivers available for my RAID controller. The one in the kernel Oopses on load and thus does not work at all. The one from the manufacturer loads and works for a time, then spews abort/reset errors and eventually produces a kernel panic. Perhaps I should investigate purchasing a new controller. |
| 23:42.04 | shingouz | toonX: STOP yelling. do you really need the initrd? |
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| 23:42.39 | toonX | shingouz not really, but i tought 2.6 wont work without |
| 23:42.40 | xtension | row are u on stable / unstable ?? what ? |
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| 23:43.11 | shingouz | toonX: as long as you have everything you need to access the root filesystem statically in the kernel it will work just as a 2.4 would |
| 23:43.31 | toonX | shingouz cool thanks |
| 23:43.38 | row | xtension: as said above unstable. |
| 23:43.47 | xtension | row do this : apt-get install nfs-kernel-server |
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| 23:44.09 | shingouz | toonX: bus, diskdrivers, filesystem are what you need to have statically, everything else can be modules |
| 23:44.14 | row | xtension: I changed to nfs-user-server to see if that helped but can change back one sec |
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| 23:44.51 | deucalion | hi! tiny question - are the cd images of sarge already "fixed"? thx (i.e., for me important would be the jigdo images) |
| 23:44.53 | hikenboot | looks like i am runing between 42-45 % cpu and 99.3% memory 23.1 % swap...are these numers indicating low medium or high usage...my guess is high...but not an expert? |
| 23:45.13 | nbr | abrotman, can you tell me how to add 'contrib' to my sources.list? |
| 23:45.20 | abrotman | !contrib |
| 23:45.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, contrib is debian packages that are free, but depend on non-free packages To get packages in contrib, lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need contrib on the end. |
| 23:45.27 | abrotman | nbr: make sense ? |
| 23:45.34 | toonX | shingouz ok i got it :) |
| 23:45.42 | shingouz | deucalion: i think they should be 3.1_r0a now |
| 23:45.58 | nbr | just the word 'contrib' added to the end of the urls for my sources? |
| 23:45.58 | deucalion | shingouz: perfect - thx |
| 23:46.03 | shingouz | toonX: unless you really need to roll your own, use a debian kernel and you will be happier |
| 23:46.03 | xtension | row ok i checked taht pkg since i nver used it , it should be also a nfs server |
| 23:46.05 | abrotman | nbr: just the main one .. yes |
| 23:46.17 | hikenboot | those numbers are while running a ping to loopback |
| 23:46.22 | row | xtension, it is but changed testing something one sec |
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| 23:46.39 | abrotman | nbr: like .. deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib .. or something like that |
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| 23:47.04 | SDFH_Linux | is there a good program to play mp3s and burn cds on the command line? |
| 23:47.05 | sparr_ | I am looking for recommendations for an inexpensive PCI IDE controller with good performance. Something with excellent driver support in linux is required. 4 channels would be nice, 2 at the least. Any additional features (such as being a RAID controller) are a plus, but not needed. Suggestions? |
| 23:47.13 | toonX | shingouz i tryed to use the 2.6.8 kernel-image but i had no sound, when it came to load the alsa module said something about hw:0 error |
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| 23:47.31 | OrionBerlin | hi togheter :) |
| 23:47.33 | shingouz | toonX: so you have some exotic sound hw there? |
| 23:47.44 | xtension | row nm |
| 23:47.54 | xtension | row the pkgs is fine |
| 23:48.01 | toonX | shingouz not at all!! its the AC97 codec |
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| 23:48.23 | shingouz | toonX: that is just a codec... you need to know what the hardware really is |
| 23:48.24 | resiak | !ac97 |
| 23:48.24 | dpkg | There's no universal driver for every single motherboard that uses ac97 audio. ac97 is just the codec, you need a driver for your audio chip. For OSS, this is usually either i810_audio or via82cxxx_audio; for ALSA, it's usually one of snd-intel8x0 (see also <intel8x0>), snd-au8810 or snd-via82xx. Use lspci to check. |
| 23:48.31 | deucalion | shingouz: nope, not yet online, but on cdimage.d.o they printed a short nice warning on the http for all those who might want to dl it... /me will just wait for a few hours |
| 23:48.44 | shingouz | deucalion: :) |
| 23:48.50 | bruce2005 | any idea on how i can install the uml kernel, i tried apt-get install kernel-patch-uml but didnt' work |
| 23:48.57 | resiak | SDFH_Linux: mp3 playing: cplay. Burning: cdrecord. |
| 23:49.00 | row | xtension: nah same with both packages, currently on kernel-server and same problems |
| 23:49.09 | SDFH_Linux | ok cool thanks |
| 23:49.13 | xtension | row check /etc/hosts.deny and /etc/hosts.allow |
| 23:49.20 | toonX | shingouz VIA82C686A /B, 8233 South Bridge |
| 23:49.22 | Stereo | hi folks. I have a kernel compilation question that's not covered in the faq :). I've had problems with this machine before, so I'd like to boot it with the new kernel *once*. If it panics at boot like I expect it to, it will reboot into the old kernel. Is there a way to do that? |
| 23:49.32 | row | xtension: its not getting refused, even otherwise would show in syslog... |
| 23:49.36 | CygnusX1 | Hello. Does the first installation CD provide a more or less complete base system? |
| 23:49.46 | toonX | shingouz found it in ALSA PCI devices , works every time |
| 23:49.53 | xtension | row /etc/hosts.allow should allow nfs at least _or_ hosts.deny should not deny it |
| 23:50.14 | shingouz | bruce2005: i have a strange feeling that you have been trying to install the uml kernel for the past three days now, at least a dozen people have tried to help you with it, you really should do your own homework instead of making us do it for you |
| 23:50.24 | deucalion | shiner840: any idea though whether that file or script for sources.list is on the first cd of the cd versions (regardless the arch)? |
| 23:50.27 | deucalion | sorry |
| 23:50.32 | shingouz | toonX: now that begins to sound like the hardware |
| 23:50.36 | row | xtension: i have it set to ALL: and set it for local machines and some others. |
| 23:50.38 | deucalion | s/ shiner840 / shingouz / |
| 23:50.56 | toonX | shingouz and the module that works is snd-via82xx |
| 23:50.58 | shingouz | deucalion: just a wrong entry in sources.list, very easy to hack |
| 23:51.02 | xtension | row if you comment out hosts.deny ? does it work ? |
| 23:51.09 | shingouz | toonX: sounds more like it :) |
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| 23:51.16 | OrionBerlin | can someone tell me if there are some problems with kernel 2.6.11.11 ? i had compiled finnaly one working kernel bu had problems with my terminal that i cannot open it |
| 23:51.19 | row | xtension: already done that and no. |
| 23:51.39 | bruce2005 | my linux crashed n had to install it again never had a chance to install uml, someone told me before to install uml its apt-get install kernel-patch-uml anyone? |
| 23:51.51 | shingouz | deucalion: during the install just hack /etc/apt/sourcex.list into shape and everything goes 100% |
| 23:51.56 | xtension | row check teh permissions on the directory to share to be readable and so |
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| 23:52.03 | deucalion | shingouz: jup |
| 23:52.09 | coolball | Hi.. I just installed Debian and I haven't got a taskbar in GNOME |
| 23:52.12 | row | xtension: it mounts on the local machine. |
| 23:52.14 | shingouz | bruce2005: module-assistant |
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| 23:52.32 | xtension | row ah good plan |
| 23:52.37 | shingouz | bruce2005: and you can drop the "anyone", it is seriously annoying already |
| 23:52.38 | toonX | shingouz so i can't understand why won't the kernel-image-2.6.8-amd64-k8 reconize it |
| 23:52.55 | shingouz | toonX: it should be there afaik |
| 23:52.57 | coolball | ..and I don't know what I can do about it |
| 23:52.59 | OrionBerlin | Does anyone got the newest kernel (2.6.11.11) compiled succesfully on Debian Sarge (Stable) ? =) |
| 23:53.01 | user01 | what would be a good scanner to get under $200? Im looking at an epson or microtek...but microtek doesnt look well supported |
| 23:53.13 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: it compiles on Sid at least |
| 23:53.21 | row | xtension: I am not just a pretty face ;) |
| 23:53.24 | toonX | shingouz uhm , not following .. explain? |
| 23:53.25 | bruce2005 | wow, thanks shingouz |
| 23:53.36 | xtension | row and rich too i suppose ? |
| 23:53.47 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, mh i had compiled one now on debian some hours ago but had problems with it, I never can open Gnome Terminal :( ever some error came up |
| 23:53.55 | shingouz | toonX: the module should be in the debian kernel. why it is not seen is another thing again |
| 23:53.56 | ttick | I have compiled 2.6.11 on Sarge. Not sure of 2.6.11.11 |
| 23:54.01 | row | xtension: we can all dream :P |
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| 23:54.14 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: does the thing boot? |
| 23:54.37 | user01 | is sane the command line for scanners? |
| 23:54.41 | coolball | Is there a way I can get a taskbar with GNOME without first having a taskbar to open the control panel or whatever? |
| 23:54.46 | xtension | row turn of no_root_squash in exportfs and try again |
| 23:54.50 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, it does but now i deleted the config and all need to do it again now only had problems that i never can open terminal some error came dont know which error came in English (how to spell it) :) |
| 23:54.53 | silverton | anyone know if a Broadcom BCM5751 is supported? |
| 23:54.56 | sbk | So to ask the mandatory stupid question :-) besides the pleasure of seeing uname return a higher kernel revision number, what's the pro of bumping up the kernel from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 23:55.01 | xtension | row excuse turn it on |
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| 23:55.16 | row | :P |
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| 23:55.19 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i will compile now it again, when i have a quetion with the kerne i ask here again |
| 23:55.20 | xtension | s/turn/switch |
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| 23:55.39 | reagent | coolball: do you add taskbars in the control panel? |
| 23:55.45 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: you have the config there in /boot (and /proc.config.gz iirc) |
| 23:55.48 | ttick | sbk: uhm, better pcimcia/wlan support was the biggie for me. |
| 23:55.52 | coolball | i don't know |
| 23:55.58 | row | xtension: no luck. |
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| 23:56.01 | sbk | ttick: ah, ok |
| 23:56.03 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: i doubt that the terminal is because of the new kernel though |
| 23:56.03 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i deleted all so i losed the config :( |
| 23:56.11 | dondelelcaro | !info libc6 stable |
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| 23:56.14 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: check in /boot |
| 23:56.14 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22 (sarge), Packaged size: 4784 kB, Installed size: 15548 kB |
| 23:56.18 | user01 | because i see somethings are supported by epkowa that arent by the sane project |
| 23:56.29 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: also /proc/config.gz |
| 23:56.32 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, not there :) only the standart .2.6.8 |
| 23:56.32 | reagent | coolball: well if you did you would just run gnome-control-panel, but it isn't possible to add a taskbar there |
| 23:56.36 | TimeKilla | hey guys... i'm new to linux (as some of you already know).. I have gaim installed on here but cannot figure out how to use the IRC part. Is there a program out there dedicated to IRC for my gnome GUI? |
| 23:56.40 | ttick | sbk: some people like the "pre-emptive kernel" but to tell the truth, I haven't seen much difference. ALSA (sound system) also seems a bit better integrated. |
| 23:56.40 | toonX | shingouz agree , it's there and it's the same i suppose, modprobe load's it but alsaconf after finding the soundcard , when it comes to configure it bitches about some hw error and something about alsactl |
| 23:56.47 | reagent | coolball: What exactly do you mean with 'taskbar' |
| 23:56.54 | coolball | the panel |
| 23:57.02 | xtension | row ok time to read some http://nfs.sourceforge.net/nfs-howto/troubleshooting.html |
| 23:57.08 | shingouz | toonX: if you have the error messages handy it is a bit easier to diagnose ;) |
| 23:57.13 | coolball | i have no bar with programs and stuff |
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| 23:57.20 | sbk | ttick: interesting, thanks for the feedback (you found anyway) about the premptive business |
| 23:57.22 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, should it be there? i deinstalled kernel over -> Synaptic and edleted the folder too downlaoded it now again though |
| 23:57.25 | user01 | does anyone use a scanner with debian? |
| 23:57.29 | reagent | coolball: Oh |
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| 23:57.38 | reagent | coolball: but gnome-panel is running? |
| 23:57.39 | row | xtension: k :P |
| 23:57.39 | shingouz | user01: no |
| 23:57.43 | shingouz | !anyone |
| 23:57.43 | dpkg | well, anyone is ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 23:57.45 | coolball | thanks alot for helping |
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| 23:57.52 | coolball | i don't know |
| 23:57.55 | TimeKilla | what is the name of a program i can apt-get install for IRC using gnome? |
| 23:57.59 | user01 | anyone in this room then? |
| 23:57.59 | daft | is it possble to change xterm backgrounds when becoming root or sshed in to a other server? |
| 23:58.05 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: i am not sure what/how you did... |
| 23:58.07 | shingouz | !room |
| 23:58.07 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 23:58.09 | daft | or some thing like that |
| 23:58.16 | user01 | anyone in this channel? |
| 23:58.19 | fabiancete | alguien habla espaol? |
| 23:58.22 | xtension | TimeKilla bitchx bitchx |
| 23:58.32 | TimeKilla | hmmm |
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| 23:58.37 | user01 | irc.debian.es right? |
| 23:58.38 | reagent | coolball: then check it |
| 23:58.42 | xtension | TimeKilla xbitchx then |
| 23:58.45 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: your first language doesnt happen to be german? |
| 23:58.48 | coolball | ok how please? |
| 23:58.56 | reagent | coolball: what did you do? run gnome and removed all panels? |
| 23:59.00 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, yes my first language is german :) |
| 23:59.01 | row | xtension: could this be a client issue? |
| 23:59.03 | shingouz | !es fabiancete |
| 23:59.06 | coolball | no there never was one |
| 23:59.08 | fabiancete | ok |
| 23:59.09 | toonX | shingouz darn , actually i don't , anyways i posted it here a few days ago but i was kindly explaind that my soundcard is broken (wich is not true because it works just fine with other home rolled kernel) |
| 23:59.11 | fabiancete | chau gente |
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| 23:59.15 | fabiancete | thanks! |
| 23:59.15 | XI-Phazor | hablan espanol @ #debian-es |
| 23:59.24 | xtension | row run nfs-common and portmap on teh client |
| 23:59.25 | reagent | coolball: ps ax|grep gnome-panel |
| 23:59.27 | TimeKilla | xtension: thanx mang |
| 23:59.31 | shingouz | OrionBerlin: you might want to pop over to the german channel :) /me means no offence |
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| 23:59.45 | zumbi | i have a server machine always connected to network, and i would like to use some method to log a channel conversations, to be able to keep updated, what program could i use ? |
| 23:59.48 | OrionBerlin | shingouz, i asked there they didnt helped me earlier :( |
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