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| 00:00.23 | liable | Spundun: you may as well upgrade it anyway if you are using sarge |
| 00:00.59 | Starfire | abrotman: it says starting K display manager.... but it blacks the screen out like its trying to start, and then it goes back to the shell screen... |
| 00:01.08 | Spundun | liable: yeah.. just reading http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/InstallLinux26 ... any idea what my bootloader is if I intially installed woody on my IA-64 box/ |
| 00:01.17 | abrotman | Starfire: check /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
| 00:01.29 | Starfire | abrotman: use nano? |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | or less |
| 00:01.43 | abrotman | or cat |
| 00:01.44 | abrotman | or more |
| 00:01.45 | abrotman | or vi |
| 00:01.48 | abrotman | just NOT emacs |
| 00:01.51 | Starfire | lol |
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| 00:02.00 | stew | yay pubtime! happy friday y'all |
| 00:02.04 | abrotman | night |
| 00:02.11 | liable | Spundun: look in /boot to see if theres a grub dir |
| 00:02.20 | streuner | stew: at this time? |
| 00:02.23 | Vlat- | Starfire: rm ~/.xinitrc |
| 00:02.38 | Starfire | abrotman it says its a new file x_x; |
| 00:02.41 | Spundun | liable: no.. |
| 00:02.45 | Starfire | vlat lol? |
| 00:03.08 | Vlat- | Starfire: no, the same problem i had |
| 00:03.08 | liable | Spundun: lilo dir? |
| 00:03.15 | Spundun | liable: no |
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| 00:03.34 | Starfire | vlat: so run that command? |
| 00:03.51 | liable | Spundun: hmmm you sure? |
| 00:03.55 | Vlat- | Starfire: before lol-ing, i suggest to try it |
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| 00:04.01 | Spundun | liable: yeah.. |
| 00:04.07 | pder | linux is powerful system |
| 00:04.12 | Starfire | vlat sorry i giggle easily... especially at stuff i dunno wut it is :( |
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| 00:04.46 | liable | Spundun: dpkg -L grub |
| 00:04.52 | xASS | Aint it possibel to add a apt-get source so i can install mplayer thrue apt-get ? |
| 00:05.01 | Starfire | says it doesnt exist vlat =| |
| 00:05.23 | streuner | xASS: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 00:05.29 | bob2 | xASS: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 00:05.31 | abrotman | Starfire: you have no /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
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| 00:05.37 | Starfire | abrotman correct |
| 00:06.02 | abrotman | Starfire: apt-get install kde x-window-system kdm |
| 00:06.07 | abrotman | make sure you have what oyu need :) |
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| 00:06.19 | Starfire | abrotman: sorry i made the X lowercase and it didnt show up. i have a log lol |
| 00:06.31 | Spundun | liable: both grub and lilo are not installed.. note that (as I told you earlier) this is an Itanium system, by HP. (I dont know much about them) |
| 00:06.47 | Starfire | i ran apt-get install x-window-system kde, and then ran apt-get install x-window-system kdm..... did i do it wrong? |
| 00:07.07 | abrotman | Starfire: no .. just look at the log .. look for EE lines |
| 00:07.11 | abrotman | and check the end |
| 00:07.13 | liable | Spundun: neither do I :) |
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| 00:07.55 | Spundun | what doest kernel-image-*-mckinley mean? I mean what does mckinley mean in that name? |
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| 00:08.15 | abrotman | Spundun: itanium iirc |
| 00:08.38 | FieldySnuts | -badger |
| 00:08.46 | abrotman | good CPU |
| 00:08.49 | Starfire | abrotman it says stuff about my mouse... did i pick the wrong option when configuring it x_x |
| 00:09.39 | Spundun | abrotman: then what is the difference between kernel-image-2.6.8-2-mckinley and kernel-image-2.6.8-2-itanium ? are they the same? |
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| 00:09.57 | streuner | bob2: what's the reason why people come to #debian and ask for help using ubuntu? |
| 00:10.02 | Spundun | abrotman: when I run apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 .. I get those two alternatives |
| 00:10.07 | FieldySnuts | because they're idiots |
| 00:10.21 | bob2 | streuner: people are stupid |
| 00:10.33 | bob2 | if they do that, please politely tell them to go to #ubuntu |
| 00:10.41 | bob2 | where polite does not equal flaming them |
| 00:10.49 | streuner | bob2: well, maybe some of them, but some of them told us, they didn't get help there? |
| 00:11.00 | abrotman | !snarf |
| 00:11.00 | abrotman | hrm |
| 00:11.00 | dpkg | it has been said that snarf is a web/ftp file retriever. Lightweight in nature, you may gather that it doesn't do anything -- but it does: proxy support from environment variables, continuation of partial files to name a few features. or something else entirely or great code base for building http agents like GooseMp3, but now supports socks, or from Thundercats! |
| 00:11.00 | bob2 | ok... |
| 00:11.08 | abrotman | holy poo |
| 00:11.17 | abrotman | Spundun: read them? |
| 00:11.47 | Starfire | abrotman: it says stuff like my mouse isnt configured right.... its hard to belive a mal-configured mouse would prevent kdm from starting o_O |
| 00:12.04 | pder | is there a tool in debian similar to xzoom or xmag but minifys the display as opposed to magnify? |
| 00:12.14 | abrotman | Starfire: what device did you pick? |
| 00:12.16 | bob2 | expocity |
| 00:12.21 | karsten | cafuego: Right. I wrote a wrapper script to do x-over-ssh automajickally, which I like, but ipsec would solve a few issues. |
| 00:12.26 | Starfire | abrotman like input_mouse or something... its a laptop =s |
| 00:12.28 | streuner | bob2: no idea? |
| 00:12.36 | abrotman | Starfire: /dev/input/mice ? |
| 00:12.39 | bob2 | streuner: I don't know what you're asking |
| 00:12.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:12.48 | bob2 | streuner: you seem to have a massive stick up your arse about ubuntu for some reason |
| 00:12.48 | Vlat- | abrotman: i just don't understand, it's POSSIBLE to hack the linux (kernel) by binary intrusion. What's the problem ? |
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| 00:12.59 | abrotman | Vlat-: what is wrong with you? |
| 00:13.08 | Starfire | abrotman: wanme to run that? |
| 00:13.08 | bob2 | streuner: yes, the majority of people there are technically clueless, and sometimes people don't get help and come here |
| 00:13.18 | Vlat- | abrotman: nothing |
| 00:13.20 | bob2 | streuner: if they do that, please just politely tell them to go back to #ubuntu |
| 00:13.40 | jair_11 | hello guys, I am formating a new hardrive I add to my debian server, |
| 00:13.46 | abrotman | Starfire: no . is that the mouse device you chose? |
| 00:13.54 | abrotman | bob2: like they listen |
| 00:14.06 | Starfire | abrotman: uhm... it was this GUI thing, i just selected input_mouse from the list x_x; |
| 00:14.19 | bob2 | abrotman: then you insist or whatever |
| 00:14.25 | abrotman | !drxx Starfire |
| 00:14.46 | bob2 | I'm not sure what else yo ucould possibly do |
| 00:14.46 | dpkg | Starfire: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 00:14.46 | abrotman | bob2: like they listen :) |
| 00:14.46 | Starfire | lol... |
| 00:14.46 | Starfire | dpkg is funny |
| 00:14.46 | bob2 | if I'm around, I'm usually quite stern about that |
| 00:14.56 | abrotman | bob2: doesn't always work .. |
| 00:15.02 | bob2 | yes, I know |
| 00:15.05 | bob2 | what do you propose? |
| 00:15.05 | anto9us | is there an option for dpkg -i to automatically get and install dependencies? |
| 00:15.06 | jair_11 | when I add the new hard drive do I have to label it? |
| 00:15.11 | bob2 | kickbans for mentioning ubuntu? |
| 00:15.15 | jair_11 | I don't think is necessary correct |
| 00:15.17 | jair_11 | ? |
| 00:15.18 | bob2 | anto9us: no, you use apt for that |
| 00:15.20 | abrotman | anto9us: apt-get install ? |
| 00:15.29 | bob2 | jair_11: no |
| 00:15.31 | abrotman | bob2: i wish :) |
| 00:15.32 | Yoni | hello, while "apt-get upgrade" i got an error : Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:15.32 | Yoni | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:15.32 | Yoni | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 00:15.40 | karsten | anto9us: Yes. aptitude. |
| 00:15.42 | anto9us | the .deb package I have locally isn't in the apt list |
| 00:15.46 | Yoni | what should i check first ? |
| 00:15.50 | abrotman | anto9us: apt-get -f install |
| 00:16.10 | jair_11 | just with just with mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 will be okey, then the rest is mounted in a mount point with the name I just want ? |
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| 00:16.22 | jair_11 | bob2, just with just with mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1 will be okey, then the rest is mounted in a mount point with the name I just want ? |
| 00:16.31 | bob2 | jair_11: yes |
| 00:16.40 | bob2 | Yoni: the package is broken |
| 00:16.49 | bob2 | Yoni: if it's really from Debian, file a bug if someone else hasn't |
| 00:16.54 | streuner | bob2: well, we do our best here to answer all questions |
| 00:17.07 | Yoni | ok so i guess i should delete the package.. can you help ? |
| 00:17.11 | streuner | bob2: about _Debian_ |
| 00:17.11 | jair_11 | bob2, cool thank you |
| 00:17.26 | bob2 | Yoni: dpkg -P phpmyadmin |
| 00:17.31 | Yoni | ok |
| 00:17.32 | bob2 | Yoni: if that doesn't work, file a bug |
| 00:17.40 | bob2 | streuner: yes, I know |
| 00:17.41 | Yoni | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:17.45 | bob2 | I have been here way longer than you |
| 00:17.49 | bob2 | and spend more time here than you |
| 00:17.58 | bob2 | I'm not sure why you think I support morons from #ubuntu coming here |
| 00:18.13 | streuner | Never said this |
| 00:19.10 | Starfire | ok abrotman, i got to the mouse config screen, which one do i pick.... (its a touchpad ._.) |
| 00:19.26 | abrotman | Starfire: erm .. /dev/input/mice .. i hope |
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| 00:19.33 | abrotman | Starfire: which laptop? |
| 00:19.35 | Starfire | abrotman thats what i picked before x_x |
| 00:19.40 | Starfire | dell latitude c600 |
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| 00:19.45 | madclicker | ahoy |
| 00:19.46 | Starfire | old @_@ |
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| 00:20.18 | abrotman | Starfire: /dev/psaux maybe |
| 00:20.27 | karsten | bob2: Part of the rationalization (and not that I agree with this) is that Ubuntu are commercially supported, #debian's principally volunteers, and if Canonical wants to ensure that all are treated well, they can pay someone to camp out on #ubuntu _and_ #debian to catch the morons and herd them into the fold. |
| 00:20.31 | Starfire | abrotman: ill try psaux... |
| 00:20.47 | karsten | bob2: Plus some people here are just asshats. But that's news to you. |
| 00:20.56 | bob2 | karsten: ubuntu is not commercially supported in that sense |
| 00:21.00 | abrotman | karsten: that's news? |
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| 00:21.11 | BeBrA | hello! I need a tool which can execute some bash script when there's a particular event logged on /var/log/messages |
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| 00:21.12 | abrotman | wait . i'm an asshat? |
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| 00:21.25 | BeBrA | do you know any? |
| 00:21.28 | nse | here we go.. |
| 00:21.30 | karsten | bob2: It's a principally enterprise-backed distro. As opposed to principally community-backed. |
| 00:21.35 | bob2 | BeBrA: grep + a loop |
| 00:21.40 | karsten | abrotman: Buy a sarcasm detector. |
| 00:21.48 | abrotman | karsten: i tried .. they were out |
| 00:21.50 | karsten | abrotman: Nobody told you ;-) |
| 00:22.07 | shingouz | ebay. i got mine there |
| 00:22.17 | BeBrA | bob2. I think it uses a lot of cpu.... |
| 00:22.20 | shingouz | got a sarcasm generator too for that amtter |
| 00:22.21 | abrotman | they sell sarcasm on ebay? |
| 00:22.22 | karsten | bob2: Perceptions matter as much as reality. Personally I try to hand out happy pills and call attitude when I see it. |
| 00:22.36 | abrotman | BeBrA: tail -f | grep blah |
| 00:23.03 | karsten | abrotman: Like hotcakes. |
| 00:23.19 | BeBrA | abrotman: It is'nt enough. I want to execute something |
| 00:23.55 | davidcs1 | question: I have a Toshiba P20 laptop with Debian 2.6.8-2-686 kernel. My laptop goes to SUSPEND just fine, but when I hit the power button it starts but it doesn't do anything at all!! I have to turn it off and the back on, and it starts as if I hadn't suspended it... anyone? |
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| 00:23.55 | abrotman | BeBrA: i'm telling you how to scan the file ... maybe ask #bash ? |
| 00:24.06 | karsten | !tell davidcs1 about suspend |
| 00:24.18 | bob2 | davidcs1: you'll have to wait until after sarge for debian to get good support for that |
| 00:24.30 | simba__ | koi |
| 00:24.31 | bob2 | davidcs1: or get the ubuntu kernel + their acpi-support + their mkinitrd |
| 00:24.32 | shingouz | davidcs1: apci tends to be borked for some reason |
| 00:24.33 | karsten | BeBrA: IIRC 'swat' can do that. |
| 00:25.01 | liable | davidcs1: or try the suspend2 patch |
| 00:25.02 | karsten | BeBrA: Um. No... |
| 00:25.15 | karsten | BeBrA: swatch. |
| 00:25.22 | davidcs1 | ok, ubuntu is what? a kernel? |
| 00:25.25 | Starfire | abrotman it still says $DISPLAY not set... :'( |
| 00:25.26 | karsten | BeBrA: Description: Log file viewer with regexp matching, highlighting, & hooks |
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| 00:25.39 | bob2 | davidcs1: a linux distribution derived from debian |
| 00:25.54 | abrotman | Starfire: ok .. that's an odd error |
| 00:25.55 | karsten | bob2: #ubuntu ;-) |
| 00:25.55 | BeBrA | tnx karsten |
| 00:26.07 | Starfire | abrotman i never was a mainstreamer :( |
| 00:26.09 | abrotman | Starfire: /etc/init.d/kdm restart ? |
| 00:26.17 | karsten | !tell davidcs1 about ubuntu |
| 00:26.42 | Starfire | abrotman same thing |
| 00:27.11 | Starfire | abrotman wait i changed the vert and hor refresh rates and made them 20 points higher, would that do it? |
| 00:27.18 | davidcs1 | right, but why would I want to change to a whole different distribution? just for this? and loose all my files? |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | Starfire: no .. $DISPLAY .. that's weird ... |
| 00:27.34 | Starfire | abrotman :'( |
| 00:27.35 | karsten | bob2: ...but since you're here: does Ubuntu stash the Debian menus anywhere? |
| 00:27.39 | abrotman | Starfire: did you try restarting thte computer? |
| 00:27.44 | davidcs1 | is there no way to do this WITHOUT switching? |
| 00:28.01 | abrotman | i'm still confused why people thing suspend is a feature |
| 00:28.08 | bob2 | karsten: I have them on my applications menu |
| 00:28.10 | Starfire | abrotman every time i shut it down... well it makes me do base-install again |
| 00:28.12 | bob2 | karsten: not sure how they got there |
| 00:28.17 | bob2 | abrotman: er...it's awesome? |
| 00:28.20 | liable | davidcs1: suspend2, but you have to patch and compile kernel |
| 00:28.28 | abrotman | bob2: er .. no? :) |
| 00:28.35 | abrotman | Starfire: what? |
| 00:28.36 | karsten | bob2: OK. I notice eg: rxvt installed didn't show on the Apps menu today. |
| 00:28.45 | Starfire | abrotman: nevermind i'll restart |
| 00:28.48 | bob2 | abrotman: you think it's bad to be able to suspend your laptop? |
| 00:28.56 | bob2 | karsten: hm, ok, I dunno then |
| 00:28.58 | abrotman | bob2: yeah .. |
| 00:28.59 | karsten | abrotman: You have to be into leather and chains to really appreciate it. |
| 00:29.03 | abrotman | bob2: not bad .. silly :) |
| 00:29.06 | bob2 | abrotman: er, why? |
| 00:29.16 | abrotman | bob2: not using it .. turn it off .. |
| 00:29.19 | bob2 | abrotman: it's great to keep my laptop up for weeks, and just put it to sleep then put it in my bag to move |
| 00:29.34 | karsten | bob2: Shot a schoolforge post at you yesterday, I'm trying to catalog differences between Ubuntu and Debian. Looks like menus might be one. |
| 00:29.34 | abrotman | bob2: i don't keep my laptop on when i'm not using it |
| 00:29.44 | karsten | bob2: ...at the shell level though, I'm pretty much at home. |
| 00:29.44 | abrotman | karsten: kill Mike! |
| 00:29.59 | karsten | abrotman: ??] |
| 00:30.07 | abrotman | karsten: the guy from the schoolforge list |
| 00:30.13 | karsten | abrotman: suspepend/resume rocks for preserving state. |
| 00:30.23 | bob2 | abrotman: do you shutdown your desktop each day, too? |
| 00:30.24 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. Mr. Dean? |
| 00:30.27 | abrotman | bob2: yeah |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | karsten: yeah |
| 00:30.41 | abrotman | bob2: i think it's kind of silly to keep it running .. |
| 00:30.48 | karsten | abrotman: The guy cracks me up more than anything. Really sad case. |
| 00:30.56 | abrotman | bob2: i just close my lid if i'm going out for a bit |
| 00:30.59 | karsten | abrotman: If you've got to move around a lot it's nice. |
| 00:30.59 | bob2 | karsten: it uses the new gnome 2.10 menu system, which is based on .desktop files, which not all applications have yet...also there's a desire to not put 5000 items in the menus. |
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| 00:31.05 | karsten | abrotman: move => meatspace. |
| 00:31.12 | bob2 | abrotman: I find it amazingly useful to keep state. |
| 00:31.19 | abrotman | bob2: i don't keep state :) |
| 00:31.23 | karsten | bob2: Dig. .desktop is the bane of my existence... |
| 00:31.41 | karsten | abrotman: I temporize by keeping my system up for a while... |
| 00:31.45 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.05 | karsten | abrotman: ...had a WM session running for ~2.5 months from Jan 30 until a week or so back. |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | karsten: 20:32:06 up 1:36, 2 users, load average: 0.12, 0.06, 0.01 |
| 00:32.12 | CasaNova | OK I tried a few more things. I absolutely can calcualte and test and cat /dev/js0 and /dev/input/js0 but I cant get tuxracer or kart or any other game to see the joystick. Tuxkart sees the buttons correctly but not axis? What can I try? |
| 00:32.15 | abrotman | karsten: i rule! |
| 00:32.19 | karsten | abrotman: ...actually had to restart X twice in the last week or so to clear up some issues. |
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| 00:32.32 | sgerbitz | how do I install this: libssl-dev_0.9.7e-3_i386.deb |
| 00:32.37 | sgerbitz | from cli |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | sgerbitz: man dpkg |
| 00:32.52 | bob2 | sgerbitz: why don't you use apt? |
| 00:32.57 | shingouz | sgerbitz: dpkg -i foo |
| 00:33.27 | karsten | sgerbitz: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 00:33.35 | abrotman | man dpkg |
| 00:33.43 | karsten | sgerbitz: Highly recommended: aptitude install libssl-dev |
| 00:34.20 | Yoni | bob2, i have " dpkg -P phpmyadmin |
| 00:34.20 | Yoni | <Yoni> ok |
| 00:34.33 | Yoni | oups... |
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| 00:35.03 | Starfire | abrotman: it does the same thing, the screen goes black like its starting and then it goes back to the black and white text screen |
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| 00:35.22 | Starfire | abrotman i did select kdm instead of xdm for the default display manager... would that do it? :( |
| 00:35.25 | abrotman | Starfire: which video card do you have? |
| 00:35.36 | karsten | Starfire: less /var/log/XFree86.0.log ~/.xsession-errors |
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| 00:35.58 | abrotman | karsten: did it .. |
| 00:35.58 | karsten | Starfire: Try: 'X' from console. Does that work (should give herringbone pattern w/ large 'X'). |
| 00:36.10 | karsten | Starfire: ...if that works, try 'startx <client>' |
| 00:36.14 | karsten | abrotman: And .... ? |
| 00:36.33 | abrotman | karsten: it's a laptop .. mouse not found .. changed device .. says $DISPLAY not found |
| 00:37.14 | Starfire | karsten it gives a fatal server error: no screens found |
| 00:37.22 | Yoni | bob2 now when i reboot linux says : no such file, /etc/apache/conf.d |
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| 00:37.31 | abrotman | Starfire: different error now? |
| 00:37.37 | abrotman | Starfire: what kind of video card? |
| 00:37.37 | karsten | abrotman: reconfigure X? |
| 00:37.42 | bob2 | Yoni: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n1' print out? |
| 00:37.51 | abrotman | karsten: well .. i had Starfire change the mouse |
| 00:37.58 | karsten | Starfire: lspci | grep VGI |
| 00:38.00 | abrotman | karsten: but seemingly .. a different error |
| 00:38.04 | karsten | abrotman: It's *YOUR* fault. |
| 00:38.08 | karsten | abrotman: ...asshat ;-) |
| 00:38.27 | Starfire | abrotman ati mobility M3 |
| 00:38.31 | abrotman | karsten: all my fault . i should be sent to #gentoo for punishment |
| 00:38.46 | karsten | Starfire: Paste lspci output. |
| 00:38.54 | karsten | abrotman: no. |
| 00:38.55 | abrotman | karsten: needs ati driver? |
| 00:38.59 | Starfire | cant paste lol |
| 00:39.04 | Yoni | Bob2; ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 00:39.05 | karsten | abrotman: #gentoo with 15 minute rest breaks in #ubuntu. |
| 00:39.10 | Starfire | different comuter |
| 00:39.13 | abrotman | Starfire: are you irc.ing from the box ? |
| 00:39.16 | karsten | Starfire: What's your IRC client? |
| 00:39.17 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:39.44 | karsten | Starfire: In irssi: /exec -o lspci | grep VGA |
| 00:39.45 | Starfire | im X-chat-ing from the same model and hardware computer, but i have 2 of them and im installing on the other one |
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| 00:40.04 | abrotman | karsten: irc'ing from a different machine :) |
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| 00:41.15 | liable | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M7 LW [Radeon Mobility 7500] |
| 00:41.27 | liable | woops, had to try that command |
| 00:41.29 | abrotman | is liable Starfire ? |
| 00:41.31 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:41.33 | CasaNova | oops sorry - it helps if I calibrate joystick using correct Axis! |
| 00:41.37 | CasaNova | hehe |
| 00:41.39 | CasaNova | sugh |
| 00:41.41 | CasaNova | sigh |
| 00:42.29 | streuner | Yoni: dpkg -l apache |
| 00:42.31 | karsten | Starfire: What's running on box #2? SSH into the other. |
| 00:43.24 | Yoni | Streuner; Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 00:43.24 | Yoni | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 00:43.24 | Yoni | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 00:43.24 | Yoni | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 00:43.24 | Yoni | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 00:43.25 | Yoni | ii apache 1.3.33-4 versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
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| 00:43.44 | Yoni | :) i forgot... |
| 00:44.05 | streuner | Yoni: well, you forgot, just /msg dpkg flood |
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| 00:44.09 | liable | didnt know irssi could do that, very cool |
| 00:44.30 | Yoni | Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold |
| 00:44.31 | Yoni | | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |
| 00:44.31 | Yoni | |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) |
| 00:44.31 | Yoni | ||/ Name Version Description |
| 00:44.31 | Yoni | +++-==============-==============-============================================ |
| 00:44.31 | Yoni | ii apache 1.3.33-4 versatile, high-performance HTTP server |
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| 00:44.46 | sussudio | Yoni: fucktard. |
| 00:44.50 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 00:44.57 | Starfire | poor bastard... |
| 00:45.00 | Yoni | LOL Streuner i guess i didn't understood what you mean |
| 00:45.08 | karsten | sussudio: attitude. |
| 00:45.14 | karsten | !tell Yoni about paste |
| 00:45.19 | abrotman | yyeah .. he's got it |
| 00:45.19 | karsten | !tell Yoni about paster |
| 00:45.20 | shingouz | Yoni: thou shalt not paste here |
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| 00:45.30 | Yoni | ok i won't |
| 00:45.34 | karsten | Yoni: Don't do that. |
| 00:45.35 | streuner | Yoni: read the factoid another time |
| 00:45.50 | karsten | Yoni: Once is a mistake. 3x is pretty close to banning. |
| 00:45.52 | Yoni | kkk SORRY |
| 00:46.02 | Yoni | (one more to care about :)) |
| 00:46.05 | streuner | Yoni: apt-get --reinstall install apache |
| 00:46.07 | Starfire | my moms getting ma |
| 00:46.09 | Starfire | d |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | Starfire: it's still bringing up the base-instal thing ? |
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| 00:46.41 | Starfire | nope |
| 00:46.47 | karsten | Starfire: Mom's mad about what? Did you destroy her computer? ;-) |
| 00:46.47 | Yoni | ok it is underway |
| 00:46.54 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:47.15 | streuner | Yoni: ls -l /etc/apache/conf.d |
| 00:47.21 | Starfire | lol it IS her computer |
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| 00:47.29 | Starfire | i need the kde display to friggin work lready |
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| 00:48.06 | abrotman | Starfire: are there any more EE lines in the log file? |
| 00:48.39 | Starfire | /var/log/XFree86.0.log ? |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | yeah |
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| 00:49.49 | Yoni | Streuner, reinstall apache went on and finish by apache start. |
| 00:50.04 | karsten | Starfire: easy... First objective is to get X running. Then your mouse. Then see if there's any remaining issues. |
| 00:50.13 | karsten | Starfire: Tackle one piece at a time. |
| 00:50.14 | Yoni | Streuner; ls -l /etc/apache/conf.d return - total 0 |
| 00:50.28 | Starfire | one is R128 no modes found, and another is screen(s) found but none have a usable configuration |
| 00:50.43 | streuner | Yoni: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 133 2005-03-24 00:34 php4.conf |
| 00:50.45 | abrotman | Starfire: what resolution did you pick ? |
| 00:50.47 | karsten | Starfire: You running Linux on both boxes? |
| 00:50.57 | Starfire | 1024x768 same one im using on this one and yes i am karsten |
| 00:51.21 | streuner | Yoni: apachectl restart |
| 00:51.29 | shingouz | Starfire: the color depth ok too? |
| 00:51.42 | karsten | Starfire: Shortcut solution: copy /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 from the box that works to the one that doesn't. |
| 00:51.45 | Starfire | yea it is... |
| 00:51.46 | karsten | Starfire: ...see if that solves it. |
| 00:52.02 | Starfire | cant copy between the boxes theyre not connected |
| 00:52.07 | abrotman | last solution .. don't buy Dell :) |
| 00:52.12 | Starfire | no shit |
| 00:52.17 | karsten | Starfire: Floppy? CDR? |
| 00:52.18 | Eno_ | i'm trying to stop ipv6 from loading because its slowing my web browsing down, for some reason (i think). my /etc/modules.conf has "alias net-pf-10 off" and my /etc/hotplug/blacklist has "ipv6" -- but it still gets loaded. what could be wrong? |
| 00:52.21 | karsten | Starfire: ...wireless? |
| 00:52.22 | Starfire | i hate dell but my dad loves their asses.... what a dick |
| 00:52.26 | Starfire | yea... |
| 00:52.30 | Starfire | hes a wireless whore alright |
| 00:52.35 | karsten | Starfire: Bad mental image there. |
| 00:52.37 | abrotman | Starfire: you can't ping from one to the other ? |
| 00:52.53 | Starfire | i can but i'd rather just get this fixed before the end of today |
| 00:52.59 | Starfire | (8:00 PST) |
| 00:53.09 | Starfire | dont ask x_x; |
| 00:53.15 | abrotman | party! |
| 00:53.17 | Starfire | .... |
| 00:53.22 | Starfire | wrong |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not |
| 00:53.24 | Starfire | bed time x_x; |
| 00:53.27 | abrotman | doh |
| 00:53.29 | Starfire | moms a freak too |
| 00:53.29 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:53.32 | Starfire | i said dont ask lol |
| 00:53.50 | abrotman | dad likes dell .. mom forces you to bed at 8pm .. that's all kinds of trouble |
| 00:54.03 | Starfire | i already know, lets fix this X thing already lol |
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| 00:54.24 | Starfire | im frickin 17 stfu =P |
| 00:54.28 | karsten | Starfire: USB drive / stick? |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 00:54.34 | Starfire | karsten im not rich |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | Starfire: anyways ... |
| 00:54.47 | karsten | shingouz: You're right ;-) |
| 00:54.58 | karsten | Starfire: nick one then. |
| 00:55.03 | Starfire | -_-; |
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| 00:55.14 | shingouz | Starfire: you cannot connect between the boxen but can you connect both of them to the internet somehow? |
| 00:55.15 | Yoni | Streuner; done apachectl restart - 2 tries then it say start but ls -l /etc/apache/conf.d still return total 0 |
| 00:55.37 | karsten | Starfire: You're sort of piling on a set of constraints that are getting in your way. If you can find a way to transfer small files between systems (crossover cable, wireless, removable media) you'll be ahead of the game. |
| 00:55.44 | abrotman | Starfire: you're not using the ati driver are you? |
| 00:55.47 | liable | Starfire: no cd drive? |
| 00:55.48 | karsten | Starfire: Call it a night, we'll be here for the most part. |
| 00:55.59 | Starfire | abrotman yes i am |
| 00:56.05 | abrotman | karsten: we still have two hours! |
| 00:56.11 | shingouz | of course you could conceivably print out the config on the working computer and just type in the diff into the non-working on e if you have no other option |
| 00:56.12 | streuner | Yoni: ok apache working, but i still don't see any bugreport about... |
| 00:56.31 | karsten | abrotman: He's too frustrated to work, he's 17, and his mom's nuts. |
| 00:56.32 | Starfire | the reason kdm wont start is because it says $DISPLAY is not set... |
| 00:56.38 | karsten | abrotman: I say quit while we're ahead ;-) |
| 00:56.39 | streuner | Yoni: for phpmyadmin package, take the advice from bob2 and file a bugreport |
| 00:56.44 | Starfire | karsten: she -_-; |
| 00:56.52 | karsten | Starfire: That's 'cox X ain't starting. |
| 00:56.52 | abrotman | how do you not get $DISPLAY set |
| 00:57.02 | Starfire | no idea |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | Starfire: /etc/init.d/kdm stop |
| 00:57.09 | shingouz | how about trying to start x with some other wm just to see if it works somehow |
| 00:57.11 | karsten | Starfire: ...is reading over your shoulder? |
| 00:57.13 | Starfire | its not even running lol |
| 00:57.13 | maher | Starfire: did you try the vesa driver |
| 00:57.16 | Yoni | ok Streuner, i'll to figure it out. Tks for the help and good... night |
| 00:57.17 | anto9us | how do I add an unstable source to sarge? |
| 00:57.18 | abrotman | Starfire: export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 00:57.19 | Yoni | :) |
| 00:57.20 | Starfire | no i didnt should i? |
| 00:57.21 | abrotman | Starfire: startkde |
| 00:57.28 | karsten | abrotman: What command(s) is he running? |
| 00:57.32 | karsten | abrotman: Good call. |
| 00:57.33 | streuner | Yoni: cu |
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| 00:57.43 | abrotman | karsten: assumingly ... reboot .. kdm sthould start on its own |
| 00:57.45 | karsten | anto9us: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 00:57.47 | abrotman | should |
| 00:57.56 | karsten | anto9us: copy your sources, change 'testing' to 'unstable'. |
| 00:58.01 | abrotman | !iyhtays |
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| 00:58.02 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 00:58.12 | karsten | abrotman: I prefer running X manually to troubleshoot, myself. |
| 00:58.16 | anto9us | aah, I merely appended it, thanks karsten |
| 00:58.32 | abrotman | karsten: i just thought .. might have been a leftover pile of poo |
| 00:58.33 | karsten | abrotman: ...eliminate X config issues, eliminate XDM issues, eliminate client startup issues. |
| 00:58.34 | FieldySnuts | @abuse 7-11 |
| 00:58.44 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: don't go there? |
| 00:59.04 | karsten | abrotman: When you've got the pieces running, put 'em together. |
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| 00:59.17 | karsten | abrotman: Well, now that you mention it... |
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| 00:59.45 | abrotman | Starfire: any luck ? |
| 01:00.19 | karsten | abrotman: With mom? |
| 01:00.24 | takisd | is there any way to get a list of options/args that have been loaded with my modules?? |
| 01:00.24 | abrotman | heh |
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| 01:00.37 | abrotman | takisd: you can see the ones available |
| 01:00.39 | karsten | takisd: cat /etc/modules |
| 01:00.45 | abrotman | takisd: and check /etc/modules |
| 01:00.46 | abrotman | bah |
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| 01:01.12 | takisd | yeah, thats where i've got them, just wanted to confirm what had been passed correctly or not |
| 01:01.44 | karsten | takisd: If they're set there, you'll load 'em from there. |
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| 01:01.54 | jcole | is there a reason esd is disabled by default in gnome? it seems like everytime i start it, after a while, my gnome apps start to hang... |
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| 01:02.12 | Vin | How can I check what's listening on a specific port? |
| 01:02.18 | takisd | karsten: cool, thanks |
| 01:02.23 | abrotman | fuser |
| 01:02.24 | abrotman | lsof |
| 01:02.30 | Starfire | abrotman none |
| 01:02.31 | maher | Vin: netstat -pant |
| 01:02.38 | abrotman | Starfire: does your computer hate you? |
| 01:02.46 | Starfire | abrotman the command to reconfigure the drivers and the screen resolution please... |
| 01:02.47 | Vin | netstat -pant <portnumber?> |
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| 01:02.50 | abrotman | i mean .. Dell sucks .. but that's rediculous :) |
| 01:02.50 | Starfire | abrotman apparently |
| 01:02.51 | jcole | mine hates me |
| 01:02.52 | karsten | abrotman: No, his mom does ;-) |
| 01:02.55 | abrotman | !drxx Starfire |
| 01:02.55 | dpkg | Starfire: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 01:03.02 | abrotman | karsten: she corrected you once already :) |
| 01:03.23 | Furby | Hi All, Has anyone experiences an upper limit on files listed within a nfs mounted fs? |
| 01:03.24 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 01:03.29 | abrotman | karsten: she .. vs he |
| 01:03.38 | karsten | abrotman: I could get into this maternal discipline thing.... |
| 01:03.42 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. |
| 01:03.44 | anto9us | karsten, is it possible to have both testing and unstable in my package list? |
| 01:03.47 | karsten | abrotman: Clue... Ding. |
| 01:03.51 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:03.56 | FieldySnuts | @clue abrotman |
| 01:03.59 | karsten | anto9us: Yes. |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | what ? |
| 01:04.05 | abrotman | i have a clue |
| 01:04.10 | karsten | anto9us: You'll want to pin if you want to prefer testing. |
| 01:04.13 | FieldySnuts | then don't pull a card heh |
| 01:04.15 | abrotman | i bought it at kmart .. maybe i should take it back |
| 01:04.28 | karsten | !tell anto9us about pinning |
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| 01:06.22 | karsten | Starfire: Sorry, slow to clue in. |
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| 01:10.23 | jpablo | hi, is there any debian-sparc channel ? |
| 01:10.36 | jpablo | forget about it, i just joined #debian-sparc |
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| 01:10.54 | karsten | jpablo: /query chanserv list *debian*sparc* |
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| 01:13.08 | abrotman | !quiet |
| 01:13.30 | karsten | Starfire: Still with us? |
| 01:13.52 | karsten | abrotman: Ain't it just? |
| 01:13.59 | Furby | How does one get a list of options that a kernel module responds to? |
| 01:14.09 | abrotman | Furby: man modprobe |
| 01:14.14 | shingouz | the kernel documentation at least |
| 01:14.15 | abrotman | err |
| 01:14.16 | abrotman | shit |
| 01:14.19 | abrotman | Furby: man modinfo |
| 01:14.20 | shingouz | modinfo? |
| 01:14.21 | karsten | Furby: Kernel docs. |
| 01:14.33 | abrotman | shingouz: i caught myself :) |
| 01:14.40 | shingouz | hehe |
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| 01:15.24 | abrotman | shingouz: though . i think modprobe should do it too |
| 01:16.02 | shingouz | abrotman: i haven't seen it happen but then again i havent really read through all the modprobe manpage |
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| 01:16.08 | karsten | shingouz: Good call |
| 01:16.14 | shingouz | maybe i should read that one too.... |
| 01:16.39 | abrotman | shingouz: no . it doesn't .. i think that they should make it do it :) |
| 01:16.50 | shingouz | but there is modinfo already |
| 01:16.55 | abrotman | i know |
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| 01:17.08 | diego | apache is outputting the source of my .cgi files...the module is being loaded and the file does have +x permissions. any ideas? |
| 01:17.22 | karsten | diego: Rehup apache. |
| 01:17.27 | shingouz | abrotman: as long as it is not made clickable with teletubbies sounds and a purple dinosaur |
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| 01:17.34 | diego | karsten: i did that also |
| 01:17.42 | karsten | diego: ...and check your virtualdirectory setting... |
| 01:17.51 | diego | karsten: virtualdirectory setting? |
| 01:17.52 | abrotman | shingouz: is that supposed to be funny .. because .. frankly . it's just disgusting! |
| 01:18.00 | karsten | diego: ...erm. VirtualHost. |
| 01:18.06 | Pakal | the MacOSX kernel is better than Linux kernel? |
| 01:18.10 | shingouz | abrotman: i think it is disgusting too, that is why i hope it never happens |
| 01:18.12 | abrotman | Pakal: wrong channel |
| 01:18.19 | diego | karsten: it's not in a virtualhost |
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| 01:18.44 | shingouz | abrotman: i remember having a wad-file for doom way back when. it turned the imps into barneys |
| 01:19.09 | abrotman | shingouz: yes .. beavis and butthead would kill barney |
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| 01:19.22 | shingouz | i never saw a wad for that |
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| 01:19.42 | deadcat | wow. pwc is working on my 2.6.11.7 (= |
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| 01:20.36 | abrotman | shingouz: barneystein i think it was called |
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| 01:20.52 | shingouz | abrotman: wooo.. that one would ahve been cool |
| 01:20.55 | shingouz | have even |
| 01:21.03 | Furby | Well thats just prime... |
| 01:21.04 | mischko | debian newbie. How do I get a list of packages to install and their versions? |
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| 01:21.17 | karsten | diego: Paste coming to /msg |
| 01:21.18 | abrotman | shingouz: http://www.hiaaron.com/wolf3d/barney.zip |
| 01:21.24 | deadcat | mischko: dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
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| 01:21.27 | diego | karsten: k |
| 01:21.30 | abrotman | shingouz: http://www.hiaaron.com/wolf3d/BarneysteinShot1.gif |
| 01:21.35 | abrotman | shingouz: http://www.hiaaron.com/wolf3d/BarneysteinShot2.gif |
| 01:21.54 | mischko | deadcat, It only shows version for installed pkgs. I want version info for _available_ packages, not installed. |
| 01:21.55 | shingouz | abrotman: i think i do not even have doom here anymore unless i apt-get it in place (which i am not about to do, i am too lazy ;) |
| 01:21.58 | karsten | diego: That's from /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 01:22.03 | karsten | diego: You'll need something similar. |
| 01:22.07 | abrotman | shingouz: i thinkt hat runs on its own |
| 01:22.10 | abrotman | karsten: i think we lost Starfire |
| 01:22.14 | karsten | diego: Look at the stock file for guidance. |
| 01:22.23 | karsten | abrotman: Her /msg response is away. |
| 01:22.25 | diego | karsten: all right, gimme a minute |
| 01:22.26 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 01:24.08 | mischko | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:24.43 | abrotman | mischko: apt-cache search foo |
| 01:24.51 | abrotman | apt-cache show foo |
| 01:24.56 | abrotman | or use aptitude |
| 01:25.18 | shingouz | abrotman: barneystein looks scary :) |
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| 01:26.17 | abrotman | shingouz: it was funny |
| 01:26.31 | shingouz | that i cannot deny abrotman |
| 01:26.33 | abrotman | shingouz: but running around shooting beavis and butthead gets old after a while . but still funny |
| 01:26.53 | mischko | abrotman, It doesn't appear that wildcards will work with that. I'd like to get a list of all of them and stuff it in a file. Can do? |
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| 01:27.10 | shingouz | true. there were also some Other wads, thigs with t&a all over the place abrotman |
| 01:27.27 | abrotman | mischko: it already exists in a file |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | shingouz: yay ... |
| 01:27.41 | mischko | abrotman, where's that? |
| 01:27.42 | shingouz | mischko: you are talking about some thousands of packages |
| 01:27.45 | x^equa|s1 | what a good text based irc client? |
| 01:27.55 | shingouz | bitchx, irssi, ircii |
| 01:28.01 | mischko | shingouz, that's fine. I can grep through it, etc. |
| 01:28.01 | x^equa|s1 | thanks |
| 01:28.17 | jotham | irssi is the single best |
| 01:28.24 | shingouz | mischko: is that because you want to find some specific package to install? |
| 01:28.27 | jotham | unless you think being a prat is good |
| 01:28.28 | abrotman | mischko: /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 01:28.31 | jotham | then bitchx is better |
| 01:28.36 | FieldySnuts | what is a prat? |
| 01:28.41 | shingouz | good question |
| 01:28.50 | jotham | sorry, i am foreign |
| 01:28.53 | jotham | let me find a definition |
| 01:28.54 | madclicker | anyone here has postfix with pop-before-smtp running ? |
| 01:28.56 | shingouz | so am i :) |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | #postfix ? |
| 01:29.34 | abrotman | and i'm pretty sure www.postfix.org has docs for that |
| 01:29.58 | jotham | Prat n. An objectionable person |
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| 01:30.18 | FieldySnuts | is that a pommie word? |
| 01:30.18 | shingouz | that would describe me ;) |
| 01:30.38 | jotham | yes sir thtp://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/ |
| 01:30.43 | jotham | er pardon that mangling |
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| 01:32.00 | FieldySnuts | !dachs jotham |
| 01:32.01 | dpkg | jotham: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 01:32.18 | jotham | :\ |
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| 01:32.24 | mischko | shingouz, I just like a local copy of the list of available packages. |
| 01:32.32 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: blaireau rectum |
| 01:32.34 | ravenbird | rectum: blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau champignon champignon blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau blaireau serpent! oooh un serpeeeent! |
| 01:32.44 | rectum | wtf |
| 01:32.48 | FieldySnuts | :) |
| 01:32.50 | rectum | hehe |
| 01:32.55 | rectum | I ... |
| 01:33.00 | rectum | Damn near killed em' |
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| 01:33.05 | rectum | 'em* |
| 01:33.08 | FieldySnuts | Boo, i know that joke |
| 01:33.12 | rectum | heh |
| 01:33.19 | FieldySnuts | wonder if anyone else got that |
| 01:33.19 | anto9us | is there an update source for unstable? |
| 01:33.55 | abrotman | wow |
| 01:33.58 | abrotman | anto9us: stop using sid |
| 01:34.02 | abrotman | stop using unstable |
| 01:34.06 | jotham | for an ethernet pro 100, should i be using the eepro100 driver? |
| 01:34.08 | shingouz | mischko: /var/lib/dpkg/available |
| 01:34.24 | anto9us | there are just a couple of packages I need from there abrotman |
| 01:34.34 | jotham | it's just giving me an error message |
| 01:34.46 | jotham | specifically that there are insufficient resources whenever i operate the card |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman | anto9us: like what? |
| 01:34.59 | anto9us | pgadmin3 |
| 01:35.01 | jotham | which i've never herd/seen before |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | what's wrong with the one in sarge? |
| 01:35.37 | anto9us | not sure what else at the moment, but I'll use it wisely :) |
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| 01:35.47 | anto9us | there's isnt one in sarge |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | what's wrong with psql :) |
| 01:36.22 | anto9us | hehe |
| 01:36.32 | abrotman | or tora ? |
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| 01:36.51 | mischko | ls |
| 01:36.56 | mischko | oops. |
| 01:36.57 | FieldySnuts | @annoy psql |
| 01:36.58 | ravenbird | psql: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 01:37.00 | mischko | wrong screen. |
| 01:37.05 | mischko | ;) |
| 01:37.06 | abrotman | you think? |
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| 01:37.16 | anto9us | pgadmin3 that I and, more importanly, the admin manager in work are familiar with |
| 01:37.36 | FieldySnuts | heh the worst is when you see someone drop a line from an "erotic" encounter then they say wrong window |
| 01:37.57 | abrotman | I want to touch you |
| 01:38.00 | peer | worship me, or I shell smite Urs internet connetions and reset them! |
| 01:38.17 | Talnakh_ | bla bla bla |
| 01:38.28 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 01:38.36 | FieldySnuts | @hack peer |
| 01:38.55 | anto9us | so, do I set an update source for unstable in my sources.list? I already have an entry for updates under testing. |
| 01:39.01 | peer | !gentoosmite ravenbird |
| 01:39.34 | abrotman | anto9us: you have to learn about pinning |
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| 01:40.04 | anto9us | abrotman, yes, I'm reading that? :) |
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| 01:40.27 | sanxiyn | http://www.df7cb.de/debian/shop/ |
| 01:40.38 | sanxiyn | Order everything you need to get Debian release out! |
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| 01:42.23 | abrotman | sanxiyn: hot girls ? |
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| 01:42.44 | nn | Where can one find affordable, reliable dedicated hosting on debian boxen? |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | i thought there was a list at debian.org ? |
| 01:43.36 | nn | abrotman: didn't see one |
| 01:43.58 | nn | *shrugs* i found 100$/mo dedicated w/ fbsd which should be alright |
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| 01:45.17 | bgat | I got a co-lo box running debian that I could sell you access to. :^) |
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| 01:46.15 | abrotman | too late .. gone |
| 01:46.44 | bgat | anyone here know why an asus a7v600 won't do IDE DMA under 2.6.8? |
| 01:47.05 | abrotman | google? |
| 01:47.23 | bgat | tried, hasn't been all that enlightening. |
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| 01:47.55 | vezult | bget: "won't do" meaning what? |
| 01:48.09 | shingouz | bgat: have you checked the bios? dma just might be disabled there too. cables all good and not too long? drive supports it? |
| 01:48.32 | bgat | # hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 01:48.47 | bgat | HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitte |
| 01:49.02 | abrotman | maybe the drive doesn't support it? |
| 01:49.04 | cplx | same thing for me bgat |
| 01:49.15 | bgat | funny thing is, it was doing d1 just fine until just recently, and I haven't changed a thing as far as I know! |
| 01:49.19 | cplx | my older box supports dma.. and my newer one doesnt.. and its sata etc.. |
| 01:49.25 | bgat | maybe I'll reboot and double-triple-check the BIOS settings... |
| 01:49.39 | vezult | bgat: updat your kernel? |
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| 01:49.49 | abrotman | cplx: sata doesn't do dma |
| 01:49.49 | cplx | hdparm -tT /dev/hda |
| 01:49.49 | cplx | /dev/hda: |
| 01:49.50 | cplx | Timing cached reads: 1156 MB in 2.00 seconds = 578.00 MB/sec |
| 01:49.50 | cplx | Timing buffered disk reads: 22 MB in 3.20 seconds = 6.88 MB/sec |
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| 01:49.56 | cplx | lol |
| 01:49.59 | cplx | o |
| 01:50.00 | abrotman | tard |
| 01:50.02 | vezult | bgat: the controller driver has to be loaded to fiddle with dma |
| 01:50.02 | cplx | haha |
| 01:50.09 | shingouz | i just love the fact that people never remember the no paste thingie |
| 01:50.15 | cplx | yeah.. |
| 01:50.19 | cplx | my bad |
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| 01:50.41 | bgat | which driver? via82cxxx? |
| 01:50.46 | bgat | it's showing up in lsmod |
| 01:50.51 | shingouz | brb |
| 01:51.06 | vezult | bgat: dunno...that sounds like it might be right |
| 01:51.23 | takisd | my dmesg is full of output from my tv card. any way to turn this output off?? have tried i2c option verbose=0 - nothing. |
| 01:51.34 | bgat | brb |
| 01:52.17 | karsten | 90% [+++++++++++=====================> ] 121,155,016 2.49K/s ETA 1:20:55 |
| 01:52.38 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
| 01:52.47 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:52.48 | vezult | you got one blazin' download going there. |
| 01:52.52 | abrotman | that's some slow dialup |
| 01:53.22 | karsten | abrotman: Speed varies. 4.4 - 4.6 is about the best I'll see. |
| 01:53.34 | vezult | abrotman: thats a bit redundant, dont you think? |
| 01:53.38 | Starfire | alright i got it to run but i need some xserver reconfiging done, how do i stop kdm form starting at boot.. |
| 01:53.39 | karsten | Kicked this off last evening. |
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| 01:53.56 | anto9us | If I'm only installing from unstable what isn't available in testing then I don't need to pin any applications do I? |
| 01:54.04 | karsten | Starfire: man update-rc.d |
| 01:54.11 | Starfire | erm...? |
| 01:54.14 | abrotman | vezult: yes .. but there's a big diffference between 28.8 and 56.6 |
| 01:54.26 | anto9us | any packages, I mean |
| 01:54.32 | Gonzalo | Hi Guys. I have a quick question. Does anyone know how long Debian Sarge will be supported with security updates once it is released? |
| 01:54.35 | abrotman | !tell Starfire about nodm |
| 01:54.40 | vezult | abrotman: true |
| 01:54.40 | karsten | Starfire: update-rc.d -f kdm remove |
| 01:54.44 | karsten | Starfire: ...should do it. |
| 01:54.44 | abrotman | Gonzalo: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 01:54.49 | karsten | Starfire: ...and check /msgs |
| 01:55.30 | Starfire | i cant control my GUI the resoultion and the mouse is hyper... i gotta stop it before its run x_x |
| 01:56.02 | karsten | Starfire: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 01:56.10 | karsten | Starfire: ...if you haven't already been through that. I suspect you have. |
| 01:56.18 | abrotman | she has |
| 01:56.23 | Starfire | i have! but i cant get to a console from the GUI |
| 01:56.31 | Starfire | the mouse is hyper it doesnt behave right |
| 01:56.43 | karsten | Starfire: <ctrl><alt><F[1-6]> |
| 01:56.46 | Delph | ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 01:56.51 | Starfire | ok, thankies ^_^ |
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| 01:56.54 | karsten | Starfire: ...or <ctrl><alt><backspace> |
| 01:57.04 | karsten | Starfire: NP |
| 01:57.11 | karsten | Starfire: ...and learn screen |
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| 01:58.41 | ABRAXAS77 | hello |
| 01:58.59 | diego | hi! |
| 01:59.42 | mischko | anyone know where to find postgresql version 8.0.2 in a debian package? |
| 01:59.50 | ABRAXAS77 | I need help with debian, I made error in the installation, I have choose that when I download apt-get start in x the configuration and not in text mode...now I want to put n text mode,what can i do? |
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| 02:00.30 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: <ctrl><alt><F1> |
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| 02:00.46 | abrotman | karsten: no .. he needs to dpkg-reconfigure debconf .. but can't because he chose X |
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| 02:01.15 | ABRAXAS77 | so what can i do? |
| 02:01.22 | karsten | abrotman: Ah. Your bablefish beat up my bablefish. |
| 02:01.25 | Dashiva | ABRAXAS77, 1 second |
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| 02:01.34 | abrotman | now .. i know where that is |
| 02:01.35 | sanxiyn | !info postgresql-8.0 experimental |
| 02:01.38 | dpkg | postgresql-8.0: (object-relational SQL database, version 8.0 server), section misc, is optional. Version: 8.0.2-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 3902 kB, Installed size: 11772 kB |
| 02:01.45 | ABRAXAS77 | ok da |
| 02:01.52 | ABRAXAS77 | Dashiva, |
| 02:01.57 | sanxiyn | mischko: There. |
| 02:02.06 | waxboy | question: is there an easy way to have a bash script wait 10sec or so between calling commands? |
| 02:02.15 | diego | waxboy: sleep |
| 02:02.23 | anto9us | is experimental a source like testing and unstable? |
| 02:02.24 | waxboy | ahhhh |
| 02:02.35 | abrotman | anto9us: please dont' use it .. you're already risking death |
| 02:02.45 | karsten | abrotman: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ? |
| 02:02.49 | anto9us | I've only installed pgadmin3! |
| 02:02.52 | sanxiyn | abrotman: Heh. |
| 02:03.04 | karsten | anto9us: Yes, except it explodes on you without warning. |
| 02:03.09 | abrotman | karsten: yes . that's it |
| 02:03.12 | anto9us | well, I'll cope with that |
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| 02:03.19 | karsten | anto9us: ...with the exception of the times it explodes _with_ warning. |
| 02:03.21 | abrotman | karsten: you can't the Value: line to say Dialog |
| 02:03.34 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 02:03.34 | abrotman | ABRAXAS77: ^^ |
| 02:03.34 | anto9us | hehe |
| 02:03.35 | sanxiyn | I think installing PostgreSQL 8 from experimental is fine. |
| 02:03.38 | abrotman | karsten: that file |
| 02:03.50 | karsten | abrotman: s/can't/change/ ? |
| 02:03.51 | abrotman | Value: Dialog |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | err change |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | yay |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | karsten: you change it to say that |
| 02:04.39 | anto9us | anyway, is experimental to be favoured above unstable? if it's a source that is |
| 02:04.39 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: in /var/cache/debconf/config.dat for the debconf package itself |
| 02:04.39 | abrotman | anto9us: hell no |
| 02:04.39 | sanxiyn | anto9us: No. |
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| 02:04.39 | abrotman | anto9us: do you normally run Fedora or gentoo ? |
| 02:04.43 | anto9us | no |
| 02:04.48 | anto9us | Mandrake |
| 02:04.53 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: Look for '^Name: debconf/frontend' |
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| 02:05.09 | anto9us | but I'm a convert to Debian now |
| 02:05.16 | karsten | anto9us: Get this: |
| 02:05.20 | karsten | anto9us: DO NOT RUN EXPERIMENTAL SOURCES. |
| 02:05.20 | karsten | anto9us: Dig? |
| 02:05.21 | sanxiyn | anto9us: Debian experimental is not Mandrake cooker. |
| 02:05.28 | anto9us | ok |
| 02:05.34 | karsten | anto9us: Its shit that blows up. Period. |
| 02:05.40 | ABRAXAS77 | karsten,how? |
| 02:05.54 | abrotman | karsten: though .. i did use something out of there for a while .. oh .. Xfree :) |
| 02:06.01 | aum | hi - anyone know why printing to an hp laserjet 2550l (usb2) would slow from 20ppm to 2ppm after 10 pages (text-only .ps file) ? |
| 02:06.04 | abrotman | ABRAXAS77: with a text editor |
| 02:06.20 | ABRAXAS77 | I type debconf? |
| 02:06.23 | abrotman | no |
| 02:06.28 | abrotman | you use an editor |
| 02:06.34 | anto9us | I must say I like how you guys take care of us n00bs :) |
| 02:06.35 | sanxiyn | Cooker ~ testing/unstable. |
| 02:06.41 | ABRAXAS77 | debconf ask options |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | ABRAXAS77: use an editor .. edit /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 02:07.38 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: With an editor. |
| 02:07.47 | abrotman | ABRAXAS77: search for debconf .. then change the Value: line to say .. Value: Dialog |
| 02:07.51 | sanxiyn | Hm, isn't it Mandriva now? |
| 02:07.51 | karsten | abrotman: You're an asshat. asshats can run experimental ;-0 |
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| 02:08.11 | abrotman | karsten: needed it for my laptop chipset |
| 02:08.43 | ABRAXAS77 | debconf-seed? |
| 02:08.51 | karsten | anto9us: I run a testing/unstable system pinned to testing. Means I rarely get stuff that's broken, I tend to have stuff that's relatively current, and if I need to fix something that _does_ break, I can pull it in from unstable rather than waiting for testing to pick it up. |
| 02:08.56 | karsten | !tell anto9us about pinning |
| 02:09.04 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: I already told you.' |
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| 02:09.14 | anto9us | got it set up already karsten, thanks :) |
| 02:09.14 | abrotman | ABRAXAS77: no |
| 02:09.15 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: Look for '^Name: debconf/frontend' |
| 02:09.28 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: a few lines later: Value: Dialog |
| 02:09.30 | ABRAXAS77 | debconf/frontend say |
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| 02:09.33 | abrotman | the debconf/frontend |
| 02:09.36 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: ...is what you want it to say. Few == 2. |
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| 02:10.11 | ABRAXAS77 | i found debconf/frontend |
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| 02:10.23 | ABRAXAS77 | what i do? |
| 02:10.27 | abrotman | i told you |
| 02:10.34 | abrotman | scroll up |
| 02:11.00 | karsten | ABRAXAS77: You've been told *three* times now. |
| 02:11.11 | ABRAXAS77 | i delete debconf/frontend and y put "'''Value:dialog? |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | fuckno |
| 02:11.25 | abrotman | god damn it |
| 02:11.28 | abrotman | fucking READ |
| 02:11.31 | ABRAXAS77 | Value: Dialog? |
| 02:11.32 | abrotman | read what i fucking typed |
| 02:11.51 | furrywolf | did I mention my idea for how to implement an automatic IQ test on /join #debian? :P |
| 02:11.55 | abrotman | karsten: i'm an asshat .. |
| 02:12.04 | abrotman | furrywolf: you'd fail .. |
| 02:12.05 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:12.28 | furrywolf | whut u me4n, d00d? |
| 02:12.29 | karsten | abrotman: Indeed. |
| 02:12.33 | karsten | abrotman: My tongue is bleeding. |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | karsten: FUCKING READ! :) |
| 02:13.04 | karsten | abrotman: ;-) |
| 02:13.10 | ABRAXAS77 | where is "value:kde" ill put value:dialog"? |
| 02:13.17 | abrotman | Value: Dialog |
| 02:13.23 | abrotman | i already fucking told you |
| 02:13.28 | ABRAXAS77 | yes,now work |
| 02:13.31 | ABRAXAS77 | thank u very much |
| 02:13.34 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:13.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:13.37 | ABRAXAS77 | hey,dont be angry |
| 02:13.37 | shingouz | abrotman: need a lart? |
| 02:13.45 | karsten | !tell ABRAXAS77 about clues for the cluefull |
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| 02:13.49 | abrotman | i need 3 beers .. a smoke .. and a girl ... |
| 02:13.56 | Furby | exit |
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| 02:14.09 | abrotman | and i don't really smoke :) |
| 02:14.16 | digibox | I need um.... an Itronix gobook 3 |
| 02:14.21 | shingouz | the smoke and beer i can do but i am not a girl. when are you going to stop by abrotman? ;) |
| 02:14.27 | abrotman | erm |
| 02:14.32 | abrotman | shingouz: aren't you in japan? |
| 02:14.38 | shingouz | abrotman: i wish |
| 02:14.42 | shingouz | fi |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | ah |
| 02:14.48 | furrywolf | beer sucks, smoking sucks, casual sex sucks. surely you can come up with a better list of needs? :P |
| 02:15.02 | shingouz | kibbles? |
| 02:15.02 | pipeline | wine woman and song |
| 02:15.04 | abrotman | furrywolf: it's all stress relief . what would you suggest? |
| 02:15.12 | abrotman | pipeline: have i got a song for you |
| 02:15.21 | sanxiyn | abrotman: newbie-abusing? |
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| 02:15.30 | shingouz | sanxiyn: that helps too |
| 02:15.31 | karsten | abrotman: Will you settle for some thunderbird, a splif, and me? |
| 02:15.46 | furrywolf | hrmm. stress relief... either a carton of ice cream and a spoon, or a good dildo, depending on your mood. :P |
| 02:15.51 | digibox | im sad. the military cut my hair |
| 02:15.55 | abrotman | pipeline: http://www.kikomusic.com/mp3s/van/wwandw.mp3 |
| 02:15.57 | sanxiyn | Well, my only strategy for stress relief is to sleep. :( |
| 02:16.06 | abrotman | pipeline: and i'm really not kidding |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | pipeline: from www.vanwagnermusic.com |
| 02:16.33 | abrotman | karsten: erm .. not thunderbird :) |
| 02:16.37 | shingouz | furrywolf: the ice cream makes my stomach sore and i am not too hot about dildos either |
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| 02:17.00 | abrotman | pipeline: he's a friend of mine from high school ... |
| 02:17.00 | furrywolf | bah. ice cream is good! White Chocolate Raspberry Truffle is very, very good. :) |
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| 02:17.52 | sanxiyn | Tolkien said about stress relief: |
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| 02:18.10 | sanxiyn | "O woe-begotten spirit, fall now into deep oblivion, and forget for a while the dreadful doom of life." |
| 02:18.20 | sanxiyn | i.e. Sleep. |
| 02:18.23 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:18.43 | sanxiyn | (It's said by Luthien, by the way) |
| 02:18.44 | shingouz | furrywolf: i like ice cream but my stomach doesnt. we have fights over it from time to time |
| 02:18.50 | abrotman | pipeline: don't like ? |
| 02:18.51 | karsten | abrotman: We've got a date! ;-) |
| 02:18.58 | abrotman | karsten: you get to philly .. i'll buy :) |
| 02:19.11 | karsten | abrotman: Typical. |
| 02:19.15 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:19.18 | karsten | abrotman: I get a date, and he's an asshat. |
| 02:19.23 | abrotman | karsten: what size bra do you wear? :) |
| 02:19.34 | karsten | abrotman: 56A |
| 02:19.40 | abrotman | heh |
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| 02:19.48 | shingouz | did i jus suddenly join #kinkydates? |
| 02:19.54 | furrywolf | shingouz: Soy Dream makes some rather good non-dairy "ice cream"... their white chocolate raspberry isn't bad. doesn't have truffle chunks in it, but it's still quite tastey. :) |
| 02:19.58 | abrotman | what happened to bed? |
| 02:20.03 | sanxiyn | simonrvn: #debian has thousands forms. |
| 02:20.16 | sanxiyn | Oops, it was to shingouz. |
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| 02:20.46 | shingouz | furrywolf: if i eat ice cream it has to be the real thing |
| 02:21.24 | furrywolf | shingouz: can't eat soy? you can get Rice Cream, but it's not nearly as good. |
| 02:21.45 | anto9us | there's a nice non-dairy ice-cream made by winner too, they call it Swedish Glace |
| 02:21.59 | sanxiyn | Trac rocks. |
| 02:22.00 | karsten | shingouz: Yeah, what's your pleasure. |
| 02:22.19 | shingouz | furrywolf: eugh. ice cream has to be the real thing if i take the risk of exploding my stomach and all the soys and rices and whathaveyou are not real ice cream |
| 02:22.26 | karsten | anto9us: ... Trader Joe's has some decent Ice Soy stuff. |
| 02:22.31 | abrotman | ew |
| 02:22.39 | sanxiyn | Trac rocks, but we had to hand-edit all templates to localize it. :( |
| 02:22.43 | abrotman | if you're gonna get fat . do it for real .. none of that soy crap |
| 02:22.49 | sanxiyn | No support for i18n. |
| 02:22.49 | furrywolf | shingouz: never actually tried the white chocolate raspberry soy dream, have you? :P |
| 02:22.54 | anto9us | I rarely eat it myself karsten, I only got that for my gf |
| 02:23.01 | shingouz | Edy's |
| 02:23.02 | karsten | shingouz: ...I'm with you. Partial to Double Rainbow either French Vanilla or dark chcolate. |
| 02:23.11 | shingouz | double fudge |
| 02:23.13 | karsten | shingouz: Breyers! |
| 02:23.24 | anto9us | I kicked her out though, she was doing my head in |
| 02:23.36 | furrywolf | double rainbow is crap... once they won their "world's best ice cream" award they figured they could start filling it with crap and no one would care. |
| 02:23.53 | karsten | anto9us: Most guys don't kick grilfs for head... ;-) |
| 02:24.15 | karsten | furrywolf: Dunno. The choco & vanilla rock. |
| 02:24.43 | anto9us | nothing was worth her bitching |
| 02:25.08 | karsten | anto9us: Why do you think god invented duct tape? |
| 02:25.14 | shingouz | :D |
| 02:25.20 | madclicker | how do i apply a patch to a binary file? |
| 02:25.26 | shingouz | karsten: that was a good one |
| 02:25.34 | shingouz | madclicker: you dont |
| 02:25.35 | karsten | shingouz: ;-) |
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| 02:26.00 | madclicker | how do i apply a patch to a perl file? |
| 02:26.06 | FieldySnuts | man patch |
| 02:26.08 | sanxiyn | madclicker: With patch. |
| 02:26.16 | madclicker | roger |
| 02:26.17 | karsten | madclicker: very, very carefully. In general, patches go to source. |
| 02:26.46 | karsten | FieldySnuts: There _are_ some binary patches out there, mostly proprietary hacks of stuff. One I recall was the old hack on Netscape to disable animated gifs. |
| 02:27.02 | FieldySnuts | i care |
| 02:27.12 | karsten | FieldySnuts: ...if you can call changing a static string value in a file a "patch". |
| 02:27.13 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: you do? |
| 02:27.16 | madclicker | pop-before-smtp have a patch for postfix how would i apply it? do i recompile from source ? |
| 02:27.19 | karsten | FieldySnuts: I *knew* you did. |
| 02:27.21 | sanxiyn | karsten: Also, perl -pi -e things. |
| 02:27.40 | FieldySnuts | @kill karsten |
| 02:27.40 | sanxiyn | (Changing symbol name in binary etc) |
| 02:27.41 | zinx | karsten: ET Pro (a mod for ET) used to patch actual code in ET, to fix some bugs |
| 02:27.41 | karsten | sanxiyn: Hrm. Could be, I haven't tried that myself. |
| 02:27.49 | sanxiyn | karsten: It's sometimes needed. |
| 02:27.56 | karsten | FieldySnuts: My least valuable extremity. |
| 02:28.09 | karsten | sanxiyn: Oi. Not by me. Yet. |
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| 02:28.25 | karsten | FieldySnuts: You're just bleu 'coz she's idlin. |
| 02:28.30 | FieldySnuts | go away. |
| 02:28.59 | FieldySnuts | fFFfff |
| 02:29.08 | Gonzalo | Guys, sorry I asked before if anyone knew how long Sarge would be supported with security updates after release. I walked away to pick up the phone and the answer was lost. |
| 02:29.24 | karsten | FieldySnuts: #000000 would be more appropriate. Or #0000FF |
| 02:29.35 | vezult | Gonzalo: until etch is released |
| 02:29.40 | FieldySnuts | @go to hell |
| 02:29.41 | ravenbird | I'm already there and expecting you to follow |
| 02:29.41 | karsten | Gonzalo: Generally: ~36 months. |
| 02:29.45 | FieldySnuts | haha |
| 02:29.54 | karsten | vezult: Usually prior + ~18 months |
| 02:29.54 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: go to test |
| 02:29.55 | Gonzalo | karsten: Thank you. |
| 02:29.55 | ravenbird | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, FieldySnuts |
| 02:29.59 | Gonzalo | that's what I needed to know |
| 02:30.10 | sanxiyn | ravenbird: go to /dev/null |
| 02:30.10 | ravenbird | wish i knew, sanxiyn |
| 02:30.32 | Gonzalo | So is it 18 or 36 months? |
| 02:30.43 | karsten | vezult: There's some discussion of that. It's not entirely bog standard. In practice Debian releases are ~3 years apart, and old-stable tends to get about 1.5 years of EOL support. |
| 02:31.11 | karsten | Gonzalo: ~36 months from release, ~18 months from its upgrade release. |
| 02:31.21 | karsten | Gonzalo: ...upgrade == sarge+1 == etch. |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | !tell Gonzalo about wwsr |
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| 02:32.09 | yale | just yell at me quickly, it's a quiz, which ncurses library do I need for menuconfig? |
| 02:32.24 | deadcat | libncurses5-dev |
| 02:32.29 | sanxiyn | "<dpkg> I heard that vancouver is the city with the highest standard of living on earth." wth? |
| 02:32.35 | Gonzalo | karsten: Got it. |
| 02:32.36 | yale | deadcat: thanks |
| 02:32.37 | vezult | karsten: didn't know that. guess I usually just upgrade before or shortly after a release and don't think about old-stable |
| 02:32.53 | karsten | Actually, in a yet-to-be-announced development, sarge won't be released. |
| 02:33.02 | Gonzalo | So basically, a server running Sarge should be able to upgrade smoothly to etch is what you are saying... |
| 02:33.06 | karsten | The DDs are going to cage it, and see if it escapes. |
| 02:33.17 | Gonzalo | karsten: lol |
| 02:33.18 | vezult | heh |
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| 02:33.23 | karsten | Gonzalo: Yes. That's what a Debian stable release means. |
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| 02:33.36 | Gonzalo | karsten: Awsome. |
| 02:33.44 | stew | sarge is only going to release on s390 |
| 02:33.48 | Gonzalo | So far I have been running Mandrake as a server. |
| 02:33.54 | stew | thats great |
| 02:33.56 | sanxiyn | Now Mandriva :-) |
| 02:34.01 | Gonzalo | And it's very good, but I am getting tired of the reinstalls. |
| 02:34.09 | karsten | Gonzalo: You're pointing your sources at 'stable'. On release day, just like any other, you run 'aptitude update; aptitude dist-upgrade', and everything's upgraded. |
| 02:34.13 | Gonzalo | So the install once upgrade forever idea appeals to me. |
| 02:34.14 | abrotman | Gonzalo: reinstalls ? |
| 02:34.17 | stew | Gonzalo: what causes you to reinstall? |
| 02:34.21 | sanxiyn | karsten: In theory. |
| 02:34.31 | karsten | Gonzalo: _Some_ applications (eg, in the past, Postgres) may need data converted. There will be conversion scripts for that. |
| 02:34.42 | Gonzalo | karsten: got it! |
| 02:34.45 | karsten | sanxiyn: ^^ |
| 02:34.49 | sanxiyn | Well, if it's a server, it's a good idea to thest upgrade beforehand anyway. |
| 02:34.53 | Gonzalo | Well, Mandrake doesn't upgrade as gracefully as it should. |
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| 02:35.14 | FieldySnuts | Mandrake doesn't do a thing gracefully |
| 02:35.22 | karsten | Gonzalo: Among the informal mottos of Debian: the last Linux you'll ever install. Installation is optional. |
| 02:35.37 | Gonzalo | abrotman: For instance, moving from MDK 10 to 10.1 left devfs behind causing all kinds of fun. |
| 02:35.52 | Gonzalo | karsten: Yeah, I had heard it before. |
| 02:36.06 | karsten | Gonzalo: ... there's really no reason even to "install" in the traditional sense of the word, or to be stuck with a single distro installer. I've used prolly a dozen methods myself, including a few I've documented (and are in the DI docs). |
| 02:36.17 | Gonzalo | But it was only until Sarge arrived with the new installer that i have dared to jump into Debian waters. |
| 02:36.19 | mischko | !info postfix |
| 02:36.19 | ia3264 | debian is such a tease |
| 02:36.24 | abrotman | Gonzalo: this isn't the mandrake channel |
| 02:36.24 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.2.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 891 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB |
| 02:36.31 | stew | leaving devfs behind probably is fun |
| 02:36.34 | karsten | Gonzalo: In other news, I'm having my first recent experiences with MDK atm. |
| 02:36.37 | karsten | abrotman: He knows. |
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| 02:36.46 | abrotman | i'm so confused |
| 02:36.47 | Gonzalo | abrotman: I understnad that quite well. |
| 02:36.50 | Gonzalo | I was explaining myself to you. |
| 02:36.51 | mischko | !info postfix experimental |
| 02:37.00 | abrotman | Gonzalo: do we get to date now? :) |
| 02:37.02 | karsten | abrotman: Yes, but you've got a date. |
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| 02:37.21 | karsten | abrotman: TWO TIMER! |
| 02:37.21 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:37.25 | Gonzalo | I think karsten appears more interested, so I'll pass. :) |
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| 02:37.27 | abrotman | karsten: you're so far away! |
| 02:37.36 | karsten | abrotman: Christ, and not even behind my back. |
| 02:37.36 | mischko | !info postfix testing |
| 02:37.42 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-9 (sarge), Packaged size: 783 kB, Installed size: 1928 kB |
| 02:37.49 | karsten | Gonzalo: Threesomes are fine ;-) |
| 02:37.50 | Gonzalo | Anyway, I still run Mandrake on my desktop but I have really been enjoying my foray into Debian as a server. |
| 02:37.51 | abrotman | karsten: well .. if you'd have me move in . this wouldn't be a problem :) |
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| 02:38.19 | karsten | abrotman: Hrm. I could use a roommate... |
| 02:38.26 | Gonzalo | You guys are too funny. Laughter's a good thing. |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | karsten: yes . but i would need a job out there :) |
| 02:38.29 | Fo | why the fuck man who writed berkeleydb didnt link db.h and libdb, shish |
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| 02:38.41 | Roldyx1 | close |
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| 02:38.50 | abrotman | Fo: say what? |
| 02:38.54 | karsten | Fo: Talk to Mike Olsen. |
| 02:39.05 | karsten | Gonzalo: We try to keep it light. |
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| 02:39.52 | sanxiyn | Is it a good idea to make a package to install Oracle Instant Client? |
| 02:39.53 | Fo | abrotman : ive got incompabilities between db.h and libdb - a little night mismatch |
| 02:39.59 | waxboy | question: where should i look to find the list of programs automatically run after login? |
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| 02:40.13 | mischko | !info postfix unstable |
| 02:40.15 | Gonzalo | I am going out for a walk with the wife, but I'll stop by a little later, now that I have officially become a Debianista. |
| 02:40.19 | Gonzalo | Thanks for the good info, guys. |
| 02:40.25 | dpkg | postfix: (A high-performance mail transport agent), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.2.2-2 (sid), Packaged size: 891 kB, Installed size: 2148 kB |
| 02:40.27 | karsten | waxboy: /etc/rc3.d |
| 02:40.33 | sanxiyn | Compared to full Oracle install, it's really sweet... |
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| 02:40.43 | karsten | waxboy: ...and /etc/rcS.d |
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| 02:40.57 | waxboy | karsten: thanks |
| 02:41.05 | abrotman | mischko: /msg dpkg info postfix stable |
| 02:41.17 | karsten | waxboy: Um. /etc/rc2.d if you've got default runlevel, technically, though rc3.d should be same stock. |
| 02:41.22 | mischko | abrotman, oops. Thanks for the tip. |
| 02:41.37 | karsten | waxboy: /etc/init.d/README for details. sysvinit. |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | mischko: or in that case .. http://packages.debian.org/postfix |
| 02:42.06 | karsten | waxboy: ...and that's your system processes. If you're talking about your X session, that's managed by your X environment, and is another discussion. |
| 02:42.11 | waxboy | karsten: is there a way to check what runlevel i'm at? |
| 02:42.23 | karsten | waxboy: 'runlevel |
| 02:42.24 | disposable_mike | karsten: check /etc/inittab for default |
| 02:42.28 | karsten | waxboy: ' |
| 02:42.40 | karsten | waxboy: /sbin/runlevel |
| 02:42.41 | mischko | abrotman, I'm still figuring out which package repository to use for a given version of a package. In this case, I'm looking for Postfix 2.2 and I finaly found it in unstable. |
| 02:42.49 | karsten | disposable_mike: Thanks, I know ;-) |
| 02:42.57 | abrotman | !sid |
| 02:42.58 | dpkg | from memory, sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 02:43.05 | karsten | mischko: Prolly not in stable. unstable or testing. |
| 02:43.14 | karsten | mischko: http://packages.debian.org/ |
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| 02:44.04 | waxboy | karsten: hmmm, i think what i'm looking for is managed by X, so /etc/X11/ ? |
| 02:44.12 | mischko | karsten, unstable has it. Some things like mod_python 3.1.4 don't appear to be in any of them. |
| 02:44.24 | karsten | waxboy: What are you looking for? |
| 02:44.31 | vezult | waxboy: .xsession, maybe? |
| 02:44.40 | sanxiyn | !info libapache2-mod-python |
| 02:44.43 | karsten | mischko: Could be. I haven't memorized 17,500+ packages, FYI. |
| 02:44.43 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-python: (An Apache module that embeds Python within the server), section python, is optional. Version: 3.1.3-3 (sid), Packaged size: 11 kB, Installed size: 24 kB |
| 02:45.10 | karsten | waxboy: ~/.xsession, ~/.Xsession, ~/.xinitrc, /etc/X11/Xsession, /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ |
| 02:45.24 | mischko | sanxiyn, It doesn't tell me which group to find that package in. It turns out that it's not in stable. |
| 02:45.24 | karsten | waxboy: ...plus your own WM / DE's startup config(s). |
| 02:45.30 | karsten | waxboy: ...it's a bit complicated ;-) |
| 02:45.33 | disposable_mike | any guess on an ubuntu system freeze, about every 2-3 hours? |
| 02:45.46 | FieldySnuts | ask #ubuntu , you're in the wrong place. it's |
| 02:45.50 | abrotman | disposable_mike: wrong channel |
| 02:45.52 | FieldySnuts | !not supporting ubuntu |
| 02:45.53 | dpkg | We have enough trouble not supporting Debian, without trying to not support ubuntu too. Try #ubuntu or donating money to charity. |
| 02:45.54 | disposable_mike | ok |
| 02:45.58 | sanxiyn | mischko: testing/unstable. |
| 02:46.03 | karsten | waxboy: ...but if you could tell me the app and your window manager / desktop environment, I could point you a bit more specifically. |
| 02:46.14 | sanxiyn | mischko: Actually, since Apache 2 is not in stable, how can mod_python 3.x be in stable? |
| 02:46.18 | Delph | lol |
| 02:46.25 | waxboy | karsten: i'm running demudi, a dist specialized for audio, but i've got no soundcard and JACK gui starts up automatically and craps out much to my annoyance |
| 02:46.40 | karsten | disposable_mike: Not to get snitty, but that's really OT and there's another chanel. With #ubuntu devs / employees to help you. |
| 02:46.41 | mischko | sanxiyn, yup. |
| 02:47.00 | abrotman | waxboy: wrong channel |
| 02:47.21 | ia3264 | how can i shutdown X from within twm |
| 02:47.23 | waxboy | karsten: my window manager is fluxbox |
| 02:47.37 | waxboy | abrotman: #agnula is deserted |
| 02:47.48 | karsten | ia3264: Menu. Quit twm. Confirm. |
| 02:47.57 | karsten | ia3264: ...or <ctrl><alt><backsp> |
| 02:48.06 | vezult | ia3264: Ctrl-Alt Backspace |
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| 02:48.16 | ia3264 | those dont work |
| 02:48.23 | ia3264 | it just puts me in a GUI login interface |
| 02:48.34 | karsten | waxboy: Not familiar with fluxbox's config/startup stuff, but look for, say, ~/.fluxbox or ~/.fluxboxrc file(s)/dir(s) |
| 02:48.51 | karsten | ia3264: /etc/init.d/[gkwx]dm stop |
| 02:48.54 | waxboy | karsten: thanks, will do... |
| 02:49.02 | ia3264 | thx |
| 02:49.13 | karsten | 97% [+++++++++++========================> ] 131,338,800 3.02K/s ETA 16:56 |
| 02:49.42 | shingouz | karsten: what is that connection? sneakernet? |
| 02:50.06 | karsten | shingouz: TCP-o-TCAS |
| 02:50.08 | abrotman | don't we have a factoid that says "just becuase your chosen channel is lazy doesn't make this the right place to ask" ? |
| 02:50.09 | Delph | shingouz: sneakernet has better bitrates than that. |
| 02:50.13 | Delph | yeah. |
| 02:50.17 | karsten | shingouz: I should have invested in SNAP. |
| 02:50.24 | Delph | but you have to be greycat to remember them all. |
| 02:50.28 | shingouz | Delph: i know. and never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon |
| 02:50.32 | karsten | abrotman: mwilson? |
| 02:50.32 | abrotman | !notus |
| 02:50.33 | furrywolf | abrotman: !they don't know is close. |
| 02:50.47 | abrotman | karsten: me? |
| 02:50.52 | karsten | shingouz: Dialup, FWIW. |
| 02:51.07 | shingouz | karsten: in that case the speed seems about decent |
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| 02:51.53 | karsten | abrotman: Yes, you. |
| 02:51.53 | karsten | abrotman: I figure mwilson is the factoid you're looking for ;-) |
| 02:51.53 | karsten | abrotman: ...apart from the minor detail he's not a factoid. |
| 02:52.29 | Delph | this isn't the factoid you're looking for. |
| 02:52.39 | ia3264 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:53.17 | karsten | ia3264: /etc/init.d/?dm stop |
| 02:53.25 | ia3264 | theres no otehr *dm's in that dir |
| 02:53.29 | vezult | ia3264: try /etc/init.d/[gkx]dm stop |
| 02:53.45 | karsten | ia3264: should pick up any of 'em. Usual suspects are xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm. |
| 02:54.10 | stew | if we know that he has xdm and that wasn't the right one, then using wildcards is not going to work |
| 02:54.21 | karsten | stew: Point. |
| 02:54.34 | ia3264 | nm it works now now when i just quit |
| 02:54.35 | karsten | ia3264: ps aux | grep ' [X]' |
| 02:55.01 | ia3264 | i think my friend took away my default-x-manager or whatever it was, i didnt realize he restarted X |
| 02:55.10 | karsten | shingouz: It's not so much the speed as just the overall time this takes. |
| 02:55.17 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 02:56.41 | Starfire | congrats guys, kde and gnome didnt work. im setting the other box back to windows =| |
| 02:56.55 | abrotman | Starfire: i thought you were asleep |
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| 02:57.00 | abrotman | Starfire: did you try a fresh install? |
| 02:57.02 | Starfire | lol its not 8 YET |
| 02:57.04 | Starfire | twice |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | really? |
| 02:57.11 | Starfire | yes |
| 02:57.17 | Starfire | i just dont have the time |
| 02:57.19 | stew | Starfire: can you be more specific than "didn't work"? |
| 02:57.22 | Starfire | she needs a system that works |
| 02:57.31 | stew | ok nm then |
| 02:57.34 | Starfire | it didnt detect the mouse after several different configs |
| 02:57.35 | abrotman | i thnik your mom hacked the box and broke it on purpose! |
| 02:57.40 | Starfire | o_O |
| 02:57.44 | stew | Starfire: modprobe mousedev; modprobe psmouse |
| 02:57.47 | Starfire | trust me it wasnt tampered with |
| 02:57.50 | Starfire | -_- |
| 02:57.55 | Starfire | where were you hours ago |
| 02:58.01 | stew | at the pub |
| 02:58.02 | abrotman | yeah |
| 02:58.06 | Starfire | partitioning as we speak |
| 02:58.10 | Starfire | dont ban me |
| 02:58.12 | abrotman | listen to stew .. he's only had <hic> a few beers |
| 02:58.26 | stew | !WikiFaq Starfire OtherHardware |
| 02:58.26 | furrywolf | heh. I've set some of my relatives up with Debian. my mother likes it. talks about how much happier she is than with windows. :P |
| 02:58.27 | dpkg | Starfire: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 02:58.35 | stew | Starfire: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 02:58.36 | Starfire | =| |
| 02:58.49 | stew | i wish i could get my parents onto linux |
| 02:58.50 | sanxiyn | Starfire: Well, installing Windows ain't the end of the world. Good luck. |
| 02:58.53 | stew | but it will never happen |
| 02:59.11 | Starfire | windows just has a better GUI x_x; |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | right .. |
| 02:59.35 | Starfire | it hurts to install windows x_x; |
| 02:59.46 | abrotman | so install linux! |
| 02:59.47 | stew | Starfire: drink while you do it, thats my rule |
| 02:59.54 | furrywolf | stew: my mother... umm... shal we say, predates computers? she has _written_ instructions for turning the power on. writes everything done. and still raves about how much better linux is. :) |
| 03:00.10 | stew | my mom used to be in charge of 55,000 windows installations |
| 03:00.17 | furrywolf | heh |
| 03:00.17 | stew | she's never switching |
| 03:00.19 | chealer | Starfire: nono, stay here please! |
| 03:00.31 | chealer | Starfire: we'll find a way to convert you! |
| 03:00.32 | furrywolf | starfire: what's with all the odd smily faces? :P |
| 03:00.41 | sanxiyn | stew: Heh. |
| 03:01.04 | madclicker | where do i set the "hostname" ? |
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| 03:01.30 | deadcat | those windows admins have been brainwashed. they are affraid to change. because if they do, they would be a beginner and windows admins have way too much pride (= |
| 03:01.33 | sanxiyn | ~(^.^~) (~^.^)~ |
| 03:01.43 | abrotman | wtf was that ? |
| 03:01.50 | sanxiyn | madclicker: /etc/hostname |
| 03:01.52 | deadcat | sanxiyn: was that a dance? |
| 03:01.56 | sanxiyn | deadcat: kinda |
| 03:01.58 | stew | and afger managing all those computers, she still doesn't know shit about how to do anything, she just learned one thing very well. dont install shit, ever and things wont break |
| 03:02.02 | stew | after* |
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| 03:02.06 | deadcat | sanxiyn: t('.'t) |
| 03:02.08 | furrywolf | sanxiyn: furry? :P |
| 03:02.10 | karsten | deadcat: Could you give context on that? Sorry, just rejoined, sounds interesting: 20:01 < deadcat> those windows admins have been brainwashed. they are affraid |
| 03:02.14 | abrotman | stew: sounds familiar |
| 03:02.35 | karsten | Done! |
| 03:02.40 | karsten | woo & yay. |
| 03:02.43 | deadcat | karsten: i think they are talking about stew's ma being installing x amount of windows systems |
| 03:02.44 | abrotman | karsten: you weren't gone that long |
| 03:02.45 | stew | my dad on the other hand, had a broken computer constantly |
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| 03:03.04 | madclicker | sanxiyn: does the command "hostname hostname.mydomain.com" should set /etc/hostnsme? |
| 03:03.09 | karsten | abrotman: 6 minutes. |
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| 03:03.13 | abrotman | madclicker: man hostname |
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| 03:03.16 | abrotman | karsten: not here |
| 03:03.20 | madclicker | buhh |
| 03:03.25 | abrotman | buhh .. read |
| 03:03.29 | madclicker | k |
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| 03:06.06 | karsten | Damn that's annoying. |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | heh |
| 03:06.23 | shingouz | yea, looks like a split personality |
| 03:06.28 | abrotman | karsten: done yet? |
| 03:06.30 | K_Dallas | Is there a repository for KDE stuff? Thanks |
| 03:06.44 | ia3264 | yes |
| 03:06.44 | karsten | abrotman: Mind your manners. |
| 03:06.45 | abrotman | K_Dallas: you mean .. like the normal one ? |
| 03:06.50 | abrotman | karsten: done yet? |
| 03:06.50 | shingouz | K_Dallas: it's all there in the normal debian repositories |
| 03:06.56 | karsten | K_Dallas: Clarify. |
| 03:07.10 | stew | K_Dallas: 3.4? -> #debian-kde |
| 03:07.13 | K_Dallas | well i need to install kcommander but cannot find it with synaptic |
| 03:07.18 | sussudio | K_Dallas on #ubuntu #mplayer #debian |
| 03:07.34 | K_Dallas | yes sussudio :) |
| 03:07.36 | shingouz | K_Dallas: is it not kommander? would sound more kde |
| 03:07.36 | karsten | abrotman: ^^ |
| 03:07.44 | sussudio | ubuntu doesn't come with KDE. this is also not the place for ubuntu. |
| 03:07.51 | abrotman | karsten: ? |
| 03:08.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 740] by debhelper |
| 03:08.05 | karsten | abrotman: The Software EXchange I'd been engaged in for the past 24 hours is done, yes. |
| 03:08.06 | K_Dallas | i have sarge installed |
| 03:08.11 | stew | K_Dallas: /msg dpkg search |
| 03:08.16 | K_Dallas | ok, thx |
| 03:08.21 | K_Dallas | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.31 | abrotman | karsten: next time . i'll give you $5 to go down to the coffee shop :) |
| 03:08.35 | karsten | abrotman: ~18:25 for 128 MB. |
| 03:08.43 | shingouz | K_Dallas: if you installed sarge with ubuntu you are SOL though as it is not a real sarge |
| 03:08.48 | K_Dallas | oh, i searched with synaptic, no result |
| 03:08.54 | abrotman | karsten: no way .. i would have found a friend :) |
| 03:09.00 | K_Dallas | i have sarge as i said :) |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | !find bin/kommander |
| 03:09.07 | stew | K_Dallas: it appears that it is not pacakged |
| 03:09.10 | K_Dallas | i enjoy reading the comments etc in ubuntu |
| 03:09.13 | abrotman | wtf is kommander ? |
| 03:09.16 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/kommander' returned no results. |
| 03:09.21 | abrotman | comments in #ubuntu ? |
| 03:09.25 | K_Dallas | something like total commander (file manager) |
| 03:09.27 | shingouz | abrotman: something kde i think |
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| 03:09.38 | K_Dallas | it is part of kde |
| 03:09.44 | K_Dallas | or for kde |
| 03:09.49 | karsten | abrotman: I have no friends ;-) |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | well .. kommander and kcommander aren't in debian |
| 03:09.54 | stew | K_Dallas: was it introduced in kde 3.4 perhaps? |
| 03:10.01 | K_Dallas | i also need kde for certain educational stuff they have |
| 03:10.04 | abrotman | K_Dallas: ask #debian-kde |
| 03:10.08 | karsten | abrotman: ...well, I _did_ d/l it in 6m at school, but wanted a burn when I get in Monday. |
| 03:10.10 | K_Dallas | stew: i dont recall |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | kde has nothing educational :) |
| 03:10.21 | K_Dallas | maybe (read it a while back in freshmeat) |
| 03:10.27 | karsten | K_Dallas: http://www.kde.org/ check for when it was released / details there. |
| 03:10.31 | K_Dallas | abrotman, ok |
| 03:10.34 | madclicker | abrotman: read it but still when i type "hostname system" cat /etc/hostname displays the old name |
| 03:10.36 | K_Dallas | ty |
| 03:10.49 | abrotman | madclicker: i think you have to reboot for it to take effect |
| 03:10.54 | shingouz | madclicker: hack the file then? |
| 03:10.59 | Loof | Anyone here use 'privoxy'. I do not have any explict caching turned on, yet I keep getting stale web pages when using the proxy. |
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| 03:11.00 | abrotman | hack the planet! |
| 03:11.14 | karsten | madclicker: echo "newhostname" > /etc/hostname; hostname $( cat /etc/hostname ) |
| 03:11.19 | karsten | madclicker: ..as root. |
| 03:11.43 | karsten | Loof: That's an add-on to squid, no? |
| 03:11.57 | Loof | karsten: I'm not using it /w squid. |
| 03:12.06 | Loof | I'm just using it as a pure filter-proxy |
| 03:12.07 | bismark | what's wrong with debian's project????? |
| 03:12.18 | stew | bismark: not too much, why? |
| 03:12.25 | karsten | abrotman: Looks like 1.9 Kb/s net for the d/l. Pathetic. Though IIRC it was competing w/ aptitude dist-upgrade most of the night. |
| 03:12.32 | Delph | bismark: it's not earning me any money, that's what's wrong. |
| 03:12.34 | bismark | debian isn't free?? |
| 03:12.34 | karsten | Loof: OK. I'm not very familiar w/ it. |
| 03:12.36 | abrotman | karsten: that's not good |
| 03:12.37 | madclicker | karsten: "newhostname" is it fqdn? |
| 03:12.41 | stew | bismark: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 03:12.45 | karsten | madclicker: No, just host. |
| 03:12.58 | Loof | It shouldn't be caching at all |
| 03:12.59 | karsten | madclicker: network/domain in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 03:13.10 | karsten | madclicker: ...as "domain" and/or "search". |
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| 03:13.20 | Loof | I don't understand why I am getting stale pages... (to a newspaper site, so it's kinda annoying) |
| 03:13.23 | pipeline | K_Dallas: krusader |
| 03:13.29 | Loof | I tried clearing the cache, and it didn't help |
| 03:13.40 | karsten | Loof: Are they stale if you do a <shift>+reload? |
| 03:13.41 | ro | hello |
| 03:13.42 | abrotman | pipeline: did you like the song ? |
| 03:13.47 | karsten | Loof: ...that should bypass caching. |
| 03:14.10 | docgnome | whats the name of the X Windows package? |
| 03:14.10 | Loof | Yep |
| 03:14.17 | K_Dallas | i am checking synaptic it says KDE version 5.44! how come? |
| 03:14.20 | abrotman | x-window-system-core |
| 03:14.21 | Loof | It's only when the proxy is turned on |
| 03:14.29 | Loof | I also tried restarting the proxy |
| 03:14.31 | Loof | I don't get it |
| 03:14.31 | abrotman | metapackage |
| 03:14.32 | stew | !info kde sarge |
| 03:14.35 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 03:14.53 | stew | K_Dallas: 5:44 != 5.44 |
| 03:14.58 | ro | ?? |
| 03:14.58 | karsten | Loof: b0rken. |
| 03:15.07 | karsten | Anyone see HHGTTG yet? |
| 03:15.11 | K_Dallas | good :) i thought i ha a future version installed ;) |
| 03:15.14 | madclicker | karsten: thx |
| 03:15.14 | ro | i need a help.. |
| 03:15.15 | Loof | Clearly. |
| 03:15.16 | stew | K_Dallas: before the colon means epoch, read the debian policy manual for its explanation |
| 03:15.25 | shingouz | ro: ask |
| 03:15.30 | K_Dallas | thanks for clearing that up |
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| 03:15.50 | karsten | !tell ro about ask |
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| 03:16.09 | karsten | Loof: RoR. |
| 03:16.15 | stew | Loof: if you ever figure that out, lemme know |
| 03:16.31 | pipeline | Loof: Decent is a giant leap forward from most web services "frameworks" |
| 03:16.40 | abrotman | rectum: not funny anymore |
| 03:16.47 | pipeline | shingouz: "Ruby on Rails" is a CGI based web programming thing for Ruby. |
| 03:16.55 | shingouz | pipeline: ok, thanks |
| 03:17.01 | pipeline | shingouz: The thing that's so fucking great about it is that the tool language is Ruby. |
| 03:17.02 | rectum | i thought i might give it a try |
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| 03:17.13 | shingouz | pipeline: :) |
| 03:17.14 | pipeline | shingouz: And the thing that is so great about Ruby is that it's like Perl, but with good OO and a more consistent syntax. |
| 03:17.25 | karsten | Loof: From what people have said: clean, sane, easy to work with. |
| 03:17.36 | pipeline | I'll warn you, it ain't fast. |
| 03:17.46 | K_Dallas | i used to use a desktop with debian a few months ago which had a square of 2x2cm on the top-left corner to switch between the desktops. anyone knows which desktop it is? |
| 03:17.49 | pipeline | It's faster than say, Zope, but it ain't fast. |
| 03:18.05 | abrotman | almost all of them have that |
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| 03:18.08 | pipeline | K_Dallas: Lots and lots of window managers and pager applications exist to do that. |
| 03:18.13 | rectum | K_Dallas: this feature is available in almost all WM and DM |
| 03:18.13 | abrotman | i know gnome does |
| 03:18.17 | abrotman | and wmaker |
| 03:18.19 | Loof | I dunno, it doesn't seem to be THAT great...makes a HUGE amount of assumptions |
| 03:18.23 | karsten | !tell K_Dallas about window managers for x |
| 03:18.28 | karsten | K_Dallas: ...look for it on that site. |
| 03:18.30 | rectum | xfce4/kde/gnome/fluxbox/ to name a few |
| 03:18.32 | K_Dallas | :( the default background was a giant debian logo |
| 03:18.37 | rectum | thats gnome |
| 03:18.38 | karsten | K_Dallas: There's a ton of WMs. |
| 03:18.39 | K_Dallas | not xfce, not gnome |
| 03:18.50 | K_Dallas | i know i am looking for that particular one, i liked it |
| 03:18.52 | Loof | like it doesn't probe your database..even though it can...it assumes if you have an object named 'todo' the table will be named 'todos' that there will be a SINGLE primary key |
| 03:18.52 | stew | enlighenment? |
| 03:18.58 | Loof | and by default it will be called 'id' |
| 03:19.00 | K_Dallas | no enlightenment |
| 03:19.21 | rectum | K_Dallas: as far as i know, gnome installed a giant blue/bluish debian logon as backdrop on desktop |
| 03:19.22 | K_Dallas | i have installed flux but it seems to be naked :) |
| 03:19.22 | karsten | K_Dallas: find a screenshot. Post it. |
| 03:19.23 | abrotman | it was gnome |
| 03:19.24 | Loof | that if you are doing mutiple classes folded into a table the type field will be called 'type' |
| 03:19.29 | Loof | Now, you CAN override these things |
| 03:19.38 | nse | did anyone here ever downloaded any file from networks different from donkeys, with mldonkey? |
| 03:19.38 | Loof | but it can find out the primary key from the database...why make you do it by hand |
| 03:19.38 | K_Dallas | ok, karsten i think i saw it somewhere, i try |
| 03:19.39 | rectum | i can't type |
| 03:19.46 | Loof | and why assume that there will be a SINGLE pkeys |
| 03:19.49 | Loof | pkey |
| 03:19.50 | karsten | rectum: BGimgs are *trivial* to mod and really tell you *nothing* about the desktop id. |
| 03:19.59 | Loof | That's just 1st impression. |
| 03:20.05 | rectum | karsten: true, but I was telling him what i knew, maybe that'd help |
| 03:20.06 | karsten | K_Dallas: a picture's worth a thousand lines of IRC.... |
| 03:20.13 | karsten | rectum: Not much? |
| 03:20.18 | K_Dallas | true ;) |
| 03:20.23 | stew | karsten: try a handfull of them, you are bound to like one of them |
| 03:20.33 | rectum | karsten i know enough |
| 03:20.33 | Loof | Also, the generator does a ton of things in one box and the syntax becomes a bit crytic |
| 03:20.34 | karsten | stew: Trust, I've got one I like. |
| 03:20.37 | pipeline | abrotman: and olvwm and tvwm |
| 03:20.42 | stew | oops |
| 03:20.44 | Loof | There's no 'undo' from running generator |
| 03:20.45 | stew | :) |
| 03:20.48 | karsten | stew: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/WM-screen.png |
| 03:20.50 | abrotman | and gnome@! |
| 03:20.50 | Loof | nor will it tell you what it is about to do |
| 03:20.54 | Loof | it simply creates a bunch of files |
| 03:21.09 | Loof | and it causes me to rant on #debian |
| 03:21.13 | Loof | see, all negatives |
| 03:21.13 | Loof | :) |
| 03:21.19 | stew | karsten: you use a 404 screen as your background? |
| 03:21.22 | stew | :) |
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| 03:21.37 | karsten | stew: Hrm. |
| 03:21.53 | K_Dallas | i am browsing screenshot of people's desktops and some are so cooooooool ;) |
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| 03:22.14 | rectum | K_Dallas: are you new to linux? |
| 03:22.22 | karsten | stew: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/WM-screen.png |
| 03:22.23 | Loof | Wanna know a funny one, this was done to someone in my wife's office... |
| 03:22.24 | rectum | like really really new |
| 03:22.24 | shingouz | K_Dallas: i am guessing some of the desktops have taken ages to get just that way |
| 03:22.24 | abrotman | you thnk? |
| 03:22.29 | K_Dallas | nope :) but i dont really do desktop decoration ;) |
| 03:22.32 | Loof | They did a screenshot of the desktop |
| 03:22.37 | Loof | then made that the background |
| 03:22.41 | Loof | then removed all the icons |
| 03:22.42 | Loof | :) |
| 03:22.43 | rectum | desktop eye candy is overrated |
| 03:22.55 | rectum | i use computers to get the job done |
| 03:22.59 | shingouz | bling bling |
| 03:23.02 | rectum | not stare at a desktop and feel blingy |
| 03:23.04 | K_Dallas | i know but it is good to see on other's boxes ;) |
| 03:23.06 | shingouz | :) |
| 03:23.08 | rectum | oh you stole the words right outta my mouth |
| 03:23.09 | rectum | lol |
| 03:23.10 | rectum | bling! |
| 03:23.20 | anto9us | what if your job is making desktop eyecandy rectum? |
| 03:23.40 | Loof | making anal desktop candy? |
| 03:23.47 | rectum | anto9us: well thats all well and good, im just talking about myself, and as far as i know, my job is at a book store |
| 03:23.51 | rectum | :) |
| 03:23.51 | karsten | K_Dallas: Linux desktop: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/XP-screen.png |
| 03:23.54 | shingouz | Loof: ouch :) |
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| 03:24.30 | karsten | rectum: I'm largely w/ you WRT eye candy. What's your desktop? |
| 03:24.31 | K_Dallas | karsten, nice but most of your desktop is covered ;) |
| 03:24.41 | karsten | K_Dallas: Yeah, that's how it usually is. |
| 03:24.46 | K_Dallas | exactly |
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| 03:24.56 | K_Dallas | i barely even use a wallpaper ;) |
| 03:24.59 | rectum | xfce4.2, no icons on menu, default theme, no bg, plain solid color, irssi default |
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| 03:25.22 | K_Dallas | xfce, o have tried it but somehow it doesnt feel right for me |
| 03:25.23 | rectum | oh and links2 with -g shortcut |
| 03:25.24 | Loof | I don't mind decoration as long as it doesn't slow you down and makes things easier/more obvious |
| 03:25.30 | Loof | enlightenment is kinda nice in that sense. |
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| 03:25.48 | stew | ok i finally took a screenshot of my desktop: http://vireo.org/tmp/screenshot.png |
| 03:25.51 | K_Dallas | installed enlightenement a few days ago and it crashed too often so removed it |
| 03:26.01 | karsten | http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/WM-WholePicture.png |
| 03:26.01 | Loof | Odd, it seems very stable to me |
| 03:26.07 | mith | karsten: why did someone waste their time with that? Why would you want to emulate the world's worst ui? |
| 03:26.25 | karsten | mith: ?? |
| 03:26.32 | K_Dallas | karsten, that is the one |
| 03:26.35 | mith | (well, it's better than kde's other themeing options, I suppose) |
| 03:26.35 | karsten | mith: Oh, XPDE? Yeah, more or less excatly. |
| 03:26.37 | K_Dallas | what do you use? |
| 03:26.49 | sussudio | !mith mith |
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| 03:26.52 | karsten | K_Dallas: WindowMaker. |
| 03:26.55 | abrotman | mith: it's not the worst |
| 03:27.01 | K_Dallas | ok, so gonna install it :) |
| 03:27.09 | karsten | K_Dallas: http://www.windowmaker.org/ |
| 03:27.11 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 03:27.13 | karsten | K_Dallas: ...that it? |
| 03:27.16 | stew | me and karsten seem to live on opposite sides of the spectrum |
| 03:27.19 | mith | abrotman: it's the worst that's commercially viable |
| 03:27.21 | mith | heh |
| 03:27.22 | K_Dallas | yes that is the one i was looking for |
| 03:27.54 | abrotman | mith: still no true |
| 03:27.59 | karsten | stew: I *use* Windowmaker. I run various other WMs just to see where they're at. |
| 03:28.07 | karsten | stew: What's yours? ratpoison? ion? |
| 03:28.11 | stew | ratpoison |
| 03:28.12 | shingouz | stew: your desktop is... ummm..... non-bling to put it mildly |
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| 03:28.17 | stew | :) |
| 03:28.28 | abrotman | mith: ever used CDE ? .. olwm ? |
| 03:28.41 | K_Dallas | anyone heard of equinox desktop? i saw it today on freshmeat and did look all right |
| 03:28.43 | karsten | mith: Mostly shot the XPDE to show that Linux not only has a desktop but can be made to look pretty damned near indistinguishable from XP if desired. |
| 03:29.00 | ia3264 | never judge an app by its screenshot |
| 03:29.08 | karsten | The "WholePicture" shot was to show that, yes, Virginia, there are applications for Linux. |
| 03:29.12 | ia3264 | or description |
| 03:29.14 | rectum | http://never.belike.net/pics/irssi2.jpg <== my lame desktop |
| 03:29.23 | karsten | ia3264: Agreed. What WMaker has to offer doesn't really shoot well. |
| 03:29.28 | shingouz | hmm... how do you get the desktop captured without import showing there? |
| 03:30.05 | mith | abrotman: cde isn't THAT bad. but it's also not viable (and was never sold as) a desktop system. ;) |
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| 03:30.24 | abrotman | mith: it certainly was |
| 03:30.26 | K_Dallas | karsten, there is one thing that recently had me worried ;) when i am on windows-xp i am %100000 faster GUI wise than on any distro that i have tried, debian to be amongst the fastest ones! it seems to me that whatever they use to create their GUIs is not still asmature as that of microsoft |
| 03:30.33 | karsten | rectum: XFCE4? |
| 03:30.36 | rectum | 4.2 |
| 03:30.43 | abrotman | mith: tell that to people who bought Ultra10 Workstations with CDE |
| 03:30.58 | abrotman | since those things certainly weren't servers |
| 03:31.00 | ia3264 | irssi looks better than bitchx, not sure better than epic though |
| 03:31.09 | ia3264 | but i like the userlist thing |
| 03:31.23 | karsten | K_Dallas: "faster" how? Your own user-interaction w/ the desktop, or GUI responsiveness overall? |
| 03:31.27 | mith | abrotman: workstation != desktop, desktop has the home user connotation associated with it |
| 03:31.38 | abrotman | mith: i've used solaris as my desktop |
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| 03:31.44 | rectum | i dislike bloatware |
| 03:31.46 | karsten | mith: It's all just marketroid speak IMO. |
| 03:31.51 | rectum | even somem features of xfce4 i could do without |
| 03:31.59 | abrotman | as my home desktop even |
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| 03:32.09 | mith | abrotman: but anyways, you're right, cde does suck more than window's interface (as well as olwm), they suck so much more that I try and forget about them. |
| 03:32.11 | K_Dallas | karsten, examples: switching between diff applications, the movement of mouse and my control over it, stuff like that |
| 03:32.16 | karsten | rectum: xfce4's pretty sweet, I tend to steer n00bs that way (no offense). |
| 03:32.16 | shingouz | rectum: try xfce3 then. it is in the debian repositories |
| 03:32.30 | abrotman | mith: though .. OS9 was kind of crappy too |
| 03:32.34 | rectum | i been on xfce for a long time |
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| 03:32.41 | rectum | been on linux for a number of years |
| 03:32.41 | K_Dallas | for instance opera under windows is way faster than under linux, not the connection but generally speaking |
| 03:32.43 | karsten | K_Dallas: Probably more a matter of your video card and drivers. My experience is that Linux is as fast as Windows. |
| 03:32.47 | rectum | but yes, I am still a newb |
| 03:32.53 | stew | K_Dallas: what windows uses that we don't necessarily get is much better video drivers |
| 03:32.58 | mith | abrotman: classic mac os had a better interface than windows, just the underworkings sucked so badly it didn't matter. |
| 03:32.59 | karsten | K_Dallas: ...some stuff lags a bit. |
| 03:33.00 | K_Dallas | maybe but both OSes are on the same box |
| 03:33.07 | Guerin | K_Dallas: what windows? |
| 03:33.07 | shingouz | karsten: the Xpde desktop. straight debian? |
| 03:33.11 | K_Dallas | xp |
| 03:33.14 | rectum | i swear by bb4win on my xp box |
| 03:33.19 | pipeline | stew, K_Dallas : That's a load of shit. Opera is faster on windows because linux opera sucks ass. |
| 03:33.20 | stew | K_Dallas: try dropping your colors down to 16 bit and see if things improve a lot, they would under some drivers |
| 03:33.23 | rectum | i love black box, i just dont like it on my nix box |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | mith: dunno .. OS9 was pretty crummy IMO |
| 03:33.27 | karsten | shingouz: It's a third-party d/l. Yes, that's stock debian other than the WM. |
| 03:33.33 | abrotman | pipeline: it doesn't such that bad .. |
| 03:33.34 | Guerin | opera in general sucks ass |
| 03:33.39 | mith | abrotman: meh |
| 03:33.40 | Guerin | yes it fucking does |
| 03:33.42 | rectum | yes, what Guerin said |
| 03:33.44 | karsten | shingouz: Last few times I've checked, xpde's b0rken, project looks dead. |
| 03:33.45 | K_Dallas | good thing stew, i try it a bit later tonite |
| 03:33.45 | stew | pipeline: no idea, i've never tried opera |
| 03:33.52 | shingouz | karsten: was the xpde an rpm or did you do it from source |
| 03:33.55 | pipeline | abrotman: Compared to the flagship version? Opera on windows is vastly better. Windows opera in fucking /wine/ is better than linux opera. |
| 03:33.56 | abrotman | mith: i still prefer the win95ish interface to all the new ones made since |
| 03:34.02 | rectum | links2-graphical, and then firefox |
| 03:34.06 | rectum | thats the way I do |
| 03:34.12 | rectum | go* |
| 03:34.13 | K_Dallas | Opera is still faster than firefox even on linux :):):) and plz dont flame me |
| 03:34.14 | pipeline | Firefox is for posers :P |
| 03:34.18 | abrotman | pipeline: yes .. win32 opera is better .. but i can't say i blame them |
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| 03:34.21 | rectum | define poser? |
| 03:34.26 | mith | abrotman: how can you? taskbars are stupid. and the entire start menu concept annoys the piss out of me. |
| 03:34.32 | Guerin | i don't get what people are all on about ff being slow |
| 03:34.42 | Guerin | I run it on a p2-233 laptop and it's plenty fast |
| 03:34.45 | shingouz | rectum: if you run links2, do you have cookies enabled there adn if yes, how? i have been trying to figure it out for ages |
| 03:34.45 | rectum | well i use firefox when links2 lets me down |
| 03:34.45 | karsten | K_Dallas: One thing about X: since it splits the window management from both the app *and* the GUI mechanics, you don't get "dead" windows as you do on XP and prior. You can always move / resize / minimize a window, even if the underlying app is dead. That rocks. |
| 03:34.49 | mith | Guerin: ff? |
| 03:34.52 | karsten | shingouz: IIRC tarball. |
| 03:34.52 | Guerin | firefox |
| 03:35.01 | mith | Guerin: you've never used it on OSX then. :) |
| 03:35.04 | K_Dallas | that is true karsten |
| 03:35.04 | pipeline | karsten: Unless it's taken control of the cursor, in which case you'll be forced to kill -9 X |
| 03:35.16 | Guerin | mith: you're not wrong. |
| 03:35.19 | pipeline | There's a superior browser to firefox on every platform.. |
| 03:35.21 | abrotman | mith: it's certainly better than the whacked out defalt for XP and 2k3 |
| 03:35.32 | pipeline | On OSX, Camino. On Windows, K-meleon. On UNIX, Galeon. |
| 03:35.35 | samuel | is NTFS supposed to have read-write support now? |
| 03:35.36 | shingouz | karsten: ok. might be a good thing to have on a laptop for the odd occasions when sitting somewhere with kismet running |
| 03:35.39 | stew | pipeline: if ff takes control of the cursor, IMO that is your window manager losing track of a popup |
| 03:35.43 | K_Dallas | if you want a fast browser, i like lynx ;) |
| 03:35.44 | pipeline | samuel: It has safe read-write support, but the write support is worthless. |
| 03:35.49 | karsten | pipeline: Very rare. WMaker borks on me periodically (I get rubber-band window outlines, but no actual window/kbd control). Switch to console and send 'kill -USR1' to the process. |
| 03:35.50 | reality | anyone have any clue how KDE performs on a P2-233 w/ 144mb of PC66 SDRAM laptop? |
| 03:35.52 | stew | pipeline: err s/IMO/IME/ |
| 03:35.53 | pipeline | stew: Absolutely any application can take control of the cursor. |
| 03:36.01 | karsten | shingouz: kismet? |
| 03:36.01 | shingouz | reality: sluggishly |
| 03:36.09 | rectum | shingouz: i don't close links2, EVER |
| 03:36.10 | Guerin | reality: pretty averagely. |
| 03:36.10 | mith | pipeline: camino sucks, it doesn't have an interface for importing client certs, and it doesn't have keychain integration. It also doesn't support xul which is the only reason I use firefox over safari in the first place. :) |
| 03:36.11 | samuel | pipeline, what is "safe read-write" support? |
| 03:36.11 | shingouz | karsten: www.kismetwireless.net |
| 03:36.12 | pipeline | reality: Eh, it'll be tolerable. |
| 03:36.16 | rectum | its been running for like 2 months already |
| 03:36.17 | rectum | :) |
| 03:36.22 | ia3264 | whats links2-graphical? |
| 03:36.23 | pipeline | samuel: It won't hose the filesystem. It won't do anything useful, thoug.h |
| 03:36.26 | karsten | shingouz: Yeah, it's tarball. |
| 03:36.27 | ia3264 | a gui front end to links? |
| 03:36.27 | Guerin | reality: it's usable, though. I ran it on my p2-233 with 128 for a while. |
| 03:36.33 | shingouz | rectum: hehe... but cookies? you got them running there? |
| 03:36.33 | stew | pipeline: yes, but the only time i've had that problem with firefox, it usually is resolved once you get rid of whatever popup/ modal dialog has it |
| 03:36.34 | karsten | shingouz: Um. How does XPDE make kismet work? |
| 03:36.36 | pipeline | samuel: It used to be that mounting an NTFS filesystem could destroy the entire fs. |
| 03:36.37 | rectum | ia3264: apt-get install links2 then run links2 -g |
| 03:36.39 | reality | shingouz: define slugishly, i think KDE is sluggish on my AMD Athlon XP 3200+ with 1GB of PC3500 |
| 03:36.43 | pipeline | stew: I was talking about X in the general case. |
| 03:36.46 | rectum | yes sort of a gui for links2 |
| 03:36.50 | pipeline | reality: It'll be unpleasant but usable. How about that? |
| 03:36.52 | ia3264 | its beter than w3m? |
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| 03:36.56 | rectum | allowes for viewing of images and point and click |
| 03:36.57 | Guerin | reality: it'll be unusable for you, then. |
| 03:36.59 | rectum | i dunno |
| 03:37.02 | shingouz | karsten: not make it work but keeps it a bit more doze-like incase someone happens to peek over my shoulder |
| 03:37.04 | ia3264 | does it have to run in X? |
| 03:37.05 | rectum | i don't use that w3m |
| 03:37.09 | rectum | ia3264: yes |
| 03:37.18 | docgnome | how can I find out how much space I have left on my partitions? |
| 03:37.19 | samuel | pipeline, oooh..... i see, i read somewhere that you can write files of exactly the same size now? is that what you mean? |
| 03:37.21 | pipeline | samuel: You can write to a file, but you can neither create nor delete files. You also can't change files lengths. I don't think you can make changes to filenames, either. |
| 03:37.23 | Guerin | docgnome: df |
| 03:37.23 | stew | ia3264: links2 is a different variation on the same theme |
| 03:37.25 | rectum | docgnome: df -h |
| 03:37.31 | reality | pipeline: well i just need something to get by on my wife's laptop, its unusable with Windows 98 |
| 03:37.34 | samuel | pipeline, i see.... |
| 03:37.40 | ia3264 | so 'links' is obsolete now? |
| 03:37.41 | rectum | docgnome: also man df |
| 03:37.41 | pipeline | samuel: It's still better than nothing. It used to be that mount -o rw would destroy the filesystem. |
| 03:37.45 | shingouz | reality: sluggish as in you fall asleep before a window opens sluggish |
| 03:37.49 | reality | pipeline, and her laptop cant handle windows 2000 / xp |
| 03:37.52 | mith | abrotman: the 'old' windows interface is better than xp/2k3's simply for the fact that with xp/2k3 they took the horrible design of the original and made it 3x as ugly. They're both equally backwards, imho. |
| 03:37.53 | karsten | shingouz: and that matters why? |
| 03:37.58 | reality | shingouz, heh |
| 03:38.03 | K_Dallas | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:38.08 | K_Dallas | oops :) wrong window |
| 03:38.08 | samuel | pipeline, thanks - so its good enough to read... thats fine for most things i guess... |
| 03:38.09 | pipeline | reality: A P2 233 with 144M RAM will do fine under 2000. And it'll be a lot snappier than KDE. |
| 03:38.13 | stew | reality: you would find w3m-img to be very similar to links2 -g |
| 03:38.24 | abrotman | mith: i didn't say they were good .. just that win95 interface was better than XP or 2k3 |
| 03:38.29 | abrotman | the defaults i mean |
| 03:38.31 | Guerin | pipeline: but not as snappy as xfce4 or *box |
| 03:38.33 | pipeline | reality: You could also do XP, if you killed a lot of system services and disabled the directX interface (notebooks that old have shitty graphics) |
| 03:38.37 | rectum | actually if you run damnsmalllinux on it it will be ever faster than 2k |
| 03:38.46 | samuel | pipeline, is it that much different from vfat? is there any place i can read of the differences between file systems that you may know offhand? |
| 03:38.46 | karsten | stew: IME elinks2 does GUI better than w3m. I prefer w3m to links in con though. |
| 03:38.48 | rectum | or just run sarge with a minimal wm |
| 03:38.52 | shingouz | karsten: there are a few times when it does matter. i do some security work and sometimes the guards are not supposed to know what i am doing. if i sit somewhre with a pure console it tends to look a bit too ominous |
| 03:38.54 | mith | I'm turning into such a macfag :( |
| 03:39.00 | pipeline | Guerin: Windows GDI+ interface will blow away *box or XFCE4. X11 is a tremendous overhead with bad graphics hardware :P |
| 03:39.02 | rectum | macs are awesome |
| 03:39.11 | pipeline | rectum: For some value of awesome meaning shitty. |
| 03:39.12 | mith | pipeline: osx already does, so nyah |
| 03:39.13 | rectum | where can you go wrong with a mac interface on a bsd kernel |
| 03:39.13 | karsten | shingouz: oooo...kay.... |
| 03:39.16 | pipeline | rectum: Unless you're running debian. |
| 03:39.18 | shingouz | karsten: they usually expect to see XP running on a laptop... :) |
| 03:39.23 | rectum | bah |
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| 03:39.29 | rectum | bsd is good |
| 03:39.32 | rectum | debian has its own place |
| 03:39.34 | stew | karsten: i haven't spent much time with elinks2, i should i was pretty impressed with it last time i did, but i don't find w3m lacking soo i never get aroudn to it |
| 03:39.40 | karsten | shingouz: What you *need* is a privacy overlay for your screen. |
| 03:39.53 | shingouz | karsten: that might be good too |
| 03:39.57 | pipeline | samuel: vfat is a terrible filesystem. NTFS is a slightly less terrible filesystem. vfat can be read and written under both windows and linux. NTFS can be RW under windows, but it's read only for linux. EXT2/3 is RW under linux, but read-only for windows. |
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| 03:40.00 | Guerin | pipeline: I use it every day on similar hardware. The main issue is that windows accumulates crap and slows down, as I'm sure you know. All else being equal, debian is WAY faster on it. |
| 03:40.02 | reality | OSX rocks on high end hardware, but im on a G3 500 w/ 320mb of ram running xfce4, runs nice and quick |
| 03:40.11 | karsten | stew: GUI I use Galeon. Con I use w3m. However, for a minimal, gui-enabled, console-based browser, elinks2 sort of knocked my socks off. |
| 03:40.11 | reality | OSX is eyecandy :/ |
| 03:40.15 | pipeline | Guerin: The goal there is to avoid accumumlating crap. |
| 03:40.22 | rectum | some people swear by gentoo, some by windows, some by bsd, some by sunos, others by some other linux distro |
| 03:40.25 | deadcat | reality: 800mhz running openbox3. even faster (= |
| 03:40.26 | Guerin | pipeline: yeah. I did try everything. |
| 03:40.30 | rectum | its all in whatever works for you |
| 03:40.31 | karsten | pipeline: Module captive NTFS driver. |
| 03:40.39 | pipeline | rectum: I think I'm about the only one left who swears by SunOS. Most Sun users have migrated to Solaris at this point. |
| 03:40.43 | abrotman | rectum: noone swears by solaris as a desktop OS :) |
| 03:40.51 | rectum | i never said desktop |
| 03:40.52 | rectum | ;) |
| 03:40.54 | pipeline | karsten: Captive is a joke. It's painfully slow, it's unsafe, and it's unmaintained software. Don't even suggest that. |
| 03:40.56 | deadcat | reality: i find the aqua stuff kinna ugly now. used to be cool for a while. |
| 03:41.05 | karsten | shingouz: Frankly, what other people think of my display _doesn't_ drive my choices, and if I'm doing security work, they shouldn't be looking. |
| 03:41.08 | pipeline | rectum: don't mix up SunOS and Solaris. |
| 03:41.13 | karsten | pipeline: Details? |
| 03:41.13 | reality | is it just me or is debian-ppc just the greatest thing ever? |
| 03:41.14 | rectum | i help admin my professor at work, 30 sun boxes at tinker airbase, oklahoma |
| 03:41.23 | abrotman | reality: just you |
| 03:41.25 | karsten | reality: It's just you. |
| 03:41.25 | ia3264 | whats the diff between elinks2 and links2? |
| 03:41.25 | deadcat | reality: me and you pal (= |
| 03:41.27 | rectum | i shouldn't have said that |
| 03:41.29 | rectum | :( |
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| 03:41.34 | karsten | ia3264: elinks == newer AFAIU. |
| 03:41.35 | mith | deadcat: you mean aqua itself, or the aqua ripoffs? |
| 03:41.36 | pipeline | karsten: It's unmaintained. Its authors don't give a shit. It relies upon linux userland filesystem, which is also unmaintained. |
| 03:41.37 | deadcat | reality: except i cant get bootsplash to work |
| 03:41.37 | stew | karsten: i used to really like galeon also but started not liking it at some point and now i have no idea why. i'm trying to make conkeror work for me presently but its pretty alpha, if you are at all an emacs junkie like me you should check it out |
| 03:41.40 | mith | [10:40] <mith> deadcat: you mean aqua itself, or the aqua ripoffs? |
| 03:41.41 | mith | [10:40] <pipeline> karsten: It's unmaintained. Its authors don't give a shit. It relies upon linux userland |
| 03:41.41 | mith | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:41.43 | mith | shit |
| 03:41.48 | shingouz | karsten: that is true but mostly i do authorized wardriving/walking and the walking part tends to need some "undercover" tactics |
| 03:41.55 | reality | deadcat: really? |
| 03:41.59 | reality | that sucks |
| 03:41.59 | karsten | pipeline: Links on that? |
| 03:42.09 | deadcat | mith: i hate the ripoffs. i mean aqua itself it barely ok. and the ripoffs are some poor bitches wanting to look good but cant. |
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| 03:42.18 | deadcat | reality: you got bootsplash on ppc? |
| 03:42.23 | ia3264 | apt-get install links2 installs elinks2? |
| 03:42.38 | deadcat | ia3264: NO |
| 03:42.45 | rectum | eh |
| 03:42.49 | rectum | wtf |
| 03:42.55 | ia3264 | cus apt-get install elinks2 didnt find anything |
| 03:43.02 | karsten | shingouz: FYI, with theming, KDE, GNOME, icewm, and/or XFCE4 can be made to look a heck of a lot like Win9x/XP. |
| 03:43.06 | rectum | wtf is elinks |
| 03:43.08 | rectum | !elinks2 |
| 03:43.09 | deadcat | ia3264: because there aint a 2. |
| 03:43.11 | Guerin | !tell ia3264 about search |
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| 03:43.15 | mith | deadcat: i dunno, tiger fixed the main thing I didn't like about aqua (pinstripe menu bar), the rest of it I don't really pay attention to, but boy do I notice when something doesn't do the pretty stuff ;) |
| 03:43.16 | karsten | shingouz: ...XPDE is pretty broken. It screenshoots well, but runs poorly. |
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| 03:43.27 | karsten | shingouz: Dig. |
| 03:43.28 | reality | deadcat, havent tried yet |
| 03:43.29 | K_Dallas | before i reboot, could anyone plz save me time by telling my why my dsl connection dies on some applications and not on all of them? I have to do poff -a and then pon to revive those but the one remained connected works fine no matter what i issue, poff. thanks |
| 03:43.30 | rectum | goddamn nigerians and hundurans |
| 03:43.32 | karsten | shingouz: ...wrt undercover. |
| 03:43.33 | rectum | i mean |
| 03:43.34 | rectum | nicaraguans |
| 03:43.39 | ziad | hi |
| 03:43.41 | rectum | damn fine tobacco |
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| 03:43.44 | ia3264 | ok so elinks > links2 > links > lynx? |
| 03:43.46 | deadcat | reality: let me know when you get it to work man |
| 03:43.47 | shingouz | karsten: ah... luckily i am tall enough to scare off most of the onlookers in anycase :) |
| 03:43.55 | pipeline | jpeg: There is, actually. |
| 03:43.55 | abrotman | jpeg: yes |
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| 03:43.58 | PhilHarnish | |
| 03:43.59 | deadcat | elinks supports gui? |
| 03:44.01 | pipeline | jpeg: I think it's encumbered though |
| 03:44.03 | abrotman | 5dwm or something |
| 03:44.08 | rectum | i used to always pick indigo as my color for doom death match |
| 03:44.10 | rectum | ;) |
| 03:44.18 | rectum | man those were the days |
| 03:44.23 | reality | deadcat, ill give it a go right now, ill let you know how it goes |
| 03:44.41 | reality | i like bootsplash :) got it on my redhat box at work |
| 03:44.44 | deadcat | reality: cool daddyo (= |
| 03:44.47 | unco | does anyone have any good howtos on centralized loghosts? |
| 03:44.51 | abrotman | jpeg: http://5dwm.org/ ... like that ? |
| 03:45.01 | deadcat | reality: redhat box? ppc? x86 is fine for me |
| 03:45.04 | karsten | shingouz: Shaved head, beard, dark glasses, and a large, gold, earing. |
| 03:45.07 | ia3264 | elinks just says character mode www browser |
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| 03:45.51 | shingouz | karsten: 6'9 and about 260#, dark glasses and i get mistaken for a cop most of the time :D |
| 03:45.59 | karsten | jpeg: apt-cache search manager | grep window | sort | less |
| 03:46.08 | kelbin | im trying to setup a samba share for my mac... no issues logging into the samba share from my windows machine.. but when i login from my mac, the only mountable option is HOME, how do i enable another directory so that i can mount it? |
| 03:46.08 | karsten | shingouz: Score. |
| 03:46.11 | jpeg | abrotman: yep, that looks ok. apt-cache search doesn't have 5dwm though.... |
| 03:46.16 | shingouz | :) |
| 03:46.25 | abrotman | jpeg: it was in litigation .. |
| 03:46.29 | karsten | shingouz: 6'2", ~260# |
| 03:46.47 | shingouz | karsten: that is good too. shrimp ;) |
| 03:46.48 | Guerin | !convert 260 pounds to kilos |
| 03:46.50 | dpkg | 260 pounds cannot be converted to kilos: conformability error |
| 03:46.51 | jpeg | abrotman: really? hm... too bad. |
| 03:46.54 | Guerin | !convert 260 pounds to kilograms |
| 03:46.55 | dpkg | 260 pounds is approximately 117.934 kilograms |
| 03:47.13 | karsten | shingouz: Feh! |
| 03:47.18 | abrotman | jpeg: read the news .. i think it's out of it now |
| 03:47.21 | K_Dallas | this bot is stupid :) 117.934 is _not_ an approximation ;) |
| 03:47.30 | karsten | shingouz: At least I'm not _usually_ looking at head lice.... |
| 03:47.40 | shingouz | karsten: touché |
| 03:47.48 | Guerin | !convert 260 pounds to grams |
| 03:47.49 | dpkg | 260 pounds is approximately 117934 grams |
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| 03:47.55 | Guerin | hah |
| 03:48.16 | abrotman | karsten: you tub! |
| 03:48.21 | abrotman | karsten: you are a big guy |
| 03:48.22 | kooldeb | Guerin: guess what ? |
| 03:48.23 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:48.24 | Guerin | !who ate all the pies karsten |
| 03:48.25 | dpkg | Who ate all the pies? Who fat bastard karsten, you fat bastard karsten, you ate all the pies! |
| 03:48.27 | shingouz | hehehe |
| 03:48.29 | karsten | abrotman: That's what they all say. |
| 03:48.33 | ia3264 | wow links2 is awsome |
| 03:48.41 | karsten | ia3264: ;-) |
| 03:48.42 | abrotman | karsten: no really .. |
| 03:48.53 | abrotman | karsten: i'm like 5'8 like 150-160lbs |
| 03:49.06 | karsten | abrotman: I'm about 40# over where I'd like to be, but still in reasonably good shape. |
| 03:49.10 | abrotman | karsten: you've got 6 inches and 100lbs on me :) |
| 03:49.16 | karsten | abrotman: Heh. |
| 03:49.20 | deadcat | guess my weight? (= |
| 03:49.25 | vezult | ls |
| 03:49.27 | karsten | deadcat: 145 |
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| 03:49.30 | shingouz | 12 inches? |
| 03:49.31 | deadcat | karsten: (= |
| 03:49.39 | karsten | abrotman: And thanks for the compliment ;-) |
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| 03:49.44 | abrotman | karsten: heh |
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| 03:49.49 | deadcat | karsten: i think you're on the $ |
| 03:49.51 | abrotman | wait .. i'm not sure it was a compliment |
| 03:49.59 | kooldeb | Guerin: 2.6.11.7 runniing, wireless running, and everything is perfect. |
| 03:50.04 | karsten | abrotman: Not for one of us ;-) |
| 03:50.17 | karsten | deadcat: It's about what I'd figured.... |
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| 03:50.21 | abrotman | i think deadcat weighs about 5lbs .. i mean .. after getting squished by a car .. how much can a cat weigh ? |
| 03:50.23 | deadcat | hehe. |
| 03:50.25 | Guerin | kooldeb: awesome. |
| 03:50.34 | kooldeb | Guerin: ya :P |
| 03:50.35 | shingouz | abrotman: yea, we tiny guys like to be complimented on how big we are from time to time |
| 03:50.42 | karsten | abrotman: Depends on how long it's been sitting in thet sun. |
| 03:50.51 | karsten | kooldeb: woo & yay. |
| 03:50.57 | abrotman | shingouz: i have girth :) |
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| 03:51.20 | shingouz | abrotman: 150-160... welll.. ok :p |
| 03:51.21 | Guerin | holyshit |
| 03:51.25 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 03:51.29 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm joking .. |
| 03:51.43 | shingouz | abrotman: so am i... |
| 03:51.43 | Guerin | my mum just told me that an old mate of mine, who was a champion sprinter in high school, just had a triple heart bypass |
| 03:51.45 | abrotman | shingouz: i'm the "right" size mostly IMO |
| 03:51.47 | Guerin | he's 25 |
| 03:51.52 | stew | yikes |
| 03:51.56 | shingouz | Guerin: :o |
| 03:51.58 | peco | oie |
| 03:52.07 | shingouz | abrotman: ditto |
| 03:52.07 | karsten | abrotman: been biking ~35-50 miles past couple of months, knee's going trick on me. Icing... |
| 03:52.10 | kooldeb | karsten: ya :) |
| 03:52.14 | karsten | Guerin: Yow. |
| 03:52.19 | abrotman | karsten: every day? |
| 03:52.39 | caphuso | Guerin: steroids? |
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| 03:52.48 | karsten | abrotman: If I can, yeah. Had about 4 days off, short (18 mi) yesterday, limping today. |
| 03:52.52 | Guerin | caphuso: no, man, this is New Zealand :) |
| 03:53.02 | karsten | Guerin: Sheep? |
| 03:53.05 | caphuso | Guerin: sheep? |
| 03:53.06 | abrotman | karsten: christ .. i think i'm good if i get out for a short 5 miler after work |
| 03:53.11 | Guerin | you guys are hilarious |
| 03:53.19 | abrotman | shingouz: mt bike . not cycle |
| 03:53.21 | karsten | caphuso: Laggard! |
| 03:53.28 | shingouz | abrotman: that is what i said too |
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| 03:53.36 | stew | karsten: where exactly in the knee do you have pain? |
| 03:53.39 | karsten | abrotman: it's one of the bennies of Napa. |
| 03:53.41 | furrywolf | karsten: I need to do more biking... a relative expects me to pedal in the kinetic sculpture race next year. |
| 03:53.43 | abrotman | karsten: how the hell do you weigh 400lbs and ride a bike ? |
| 03:53.45 | shingouz | abrotman: i didnt say i dont ride dirtbikes ;) |
| 03:53.50 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 03:54.00 | abrotman | err 260 |
| 03:54.21 | karsten | stew: Right knee, outside, about 5 o'clock relative to kneecap. |
| 03:54.35 | ia3264 | he weighs 400lbs and rides a bike the same way i weight 175 (at 6ft tall) and use linux |
| 03:54.38 | karsten | abrotman: 260, damnit. |
| 03:54.42 | ia3264 | by sheer grace |
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| 03:54.50 | karsten | abrotman: Fighting weight's about 220. |
| 03:55.11 | abrotman | i wish there were more places to ride around here .. but even VF park is a pain .. so many people |
| 03:55.12 | Guerin | heh, my fighting weight is about |
| 03:55.19 | Guerin | !convert 80 kilograms to pounds |
| 03:55.22 | dpkg | 80 kilograms is approximately 176.37 pounds |
| 03:55.22 | ia3264 | wtf is fightin weight |
| 03:55.25 | karsten | abrotman: ...and ~14 years of competitive swimming. Never really was small. |
| 03:55.35 | karsten | ia3264: Trim. No excess fat. |
| 03:55.36 | abrotman | karsten: swimming in beer? |
| 03:55.40 | Guerin | but I'm somewhere around |
| 03:55.40 | furrywolf | the kinetic sculpture race is fun, but you're not just pedalling yourself around for 3 days, you're pedalling yourself and the sculpture around for 3 days... |
| 03:55.41 | karsten | abrotman: Sure, why not. |
| 03:55.44 | ia3264 | you drop 100 lbs just to get in a fight, some guy mugs you yer like 'hey weight im gonna go to weight watchers and ill brb' |
| 03:55.46 | stew | karsten: how much flex in your knee when your leg is extended? your saddle might be too low |
| 03:55.50 | Guerin | !convert 95 kilograms to pounds |
| 03:55.52 | dpkg | 95 kilograms is approximately 209.439 pounds |
| 03:55.56 | karsten | stew: On the bike? |
| 03:56.01 | stew | karsten: yeah |
| 03:56.05 | karsten | stew: Minimal. |
| 03:56.14 | sussudio | !convert 23 badgers to librarier of congress |
| 03:56.16 | dpkg | 23 badgers cannot be converted to librarier of congress: Unknown unit 'badgers' |
| 03:56.23 | sussudio | :-| |
| 03:56.25 | stew | karsten: a lot of knee pain can be remedied by trying different saddle positions |
| 03:56.26 | karsten | stew: Level on seat, leg is fully extended w/ heel on pedal. I keep that adjusted right. |
| 03:56.36 | abrotman | !convert 150 pounds to stone |
| 03:56.37 | karsten | stew: Yeah. Usual problem is seat too low. It's not that. |
| 03:56.38 | dpkg | 150 pounds is approximately 10.7143 stone |
| 03:56.38 | stew | yeah thats a good rule of thumb |
| 03:56.43 | shingouz | ia3264: fight? as in a street fight? usually that means the opponent ends up at the ER |
| 03:57.03 | ia3264 | in the ER for bites? :P |
| 03:57.05 | karsten | stew: I think a mix of temps (a little cool) and some longer-than-sane rides (45-50 mi) plus a pretty aggressive schedule. |
| 03:57.08 | stew | karsten: if its on the inside of your knee it can be caused by wide pedals but thats not easy to fix |
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| 03:57.20 | shingouz | ia3264: usually in small black plastic bags |
| 03:57.20 | karsten | stew: Clipless. Forget the model.... |
| 03:57.31 | el_lobo_fisi | holas |
| 03:57.31 | stew | karsten: not enough float maybe? |
| 03:57.35 | karsten | stew: Ritchy pedals? Sec, I'll check. |
| 03:57.38 | karsten | stew: Good float. |
| 03:57.41 | ia3264 | i never hurt my opponents |
| 03:57.47 | Guerin | shingouz: no doubt. I have a mate who's 6'11 and 25 stone... he hates fighting. |
| 03:57.48 | karsten | stew: A few degrees, easy. |
| 03:57.56 | ia3264 | less law suits that way |
| 03:58.06 | karsten | stew: Same bike, same kit, years, no problems. I think I'm getting old. |
| 03:58.13 | stew | sucks |
| 03:58.15 | shingouz | Guerin: same here but for some reason i have a tendency of getting into fights :( |
| 03:58.18 | ia3264 | im somehow extremely good at choking people out, so i just do that and leave :p |
| 03:58.26 | Guerin | shingouz: hrm. |
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| 03:58.37 | stew | karsten: keep up the cadence and keep the legs bundled to the warmer side |
| 03:58.48 | ia3264 | i hate fighting |
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| 03:59.06 | anto9us | woohoo... I love Debian! I've installed it for the first time tonight and I've got my database/applicaton server set up and ready for development |
| 03:59.17 | ia3264 | right on |
| 03:59.27 | shingouz | Guerin: goes with the territory. finns drink a lot and when they see someone who is bigger than they are they like to show that they are supermen. they are stupid enough to not understand talk so they try to bring it on |
| 03:59.39 | anto9us | thanks for all the help you guys! |
| 03:59.40 | ia3264 | runnin away really is the best thing even if it hurts your ego |
| 03:59.40 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 03:59.51 | shingouz | ia3264: true. safest too |
| 03:59.56 | ia3264 | unless some guys beatin an old lady, then go head and open season |
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| 04:00.37 | Guerin | shingouz: sucks. We got chased down by some koreans with bricks the other week. They thought we were americans... two brits, an irishman and me. |
| 04:00.51 | shingouz | Guerin: that sucks too |
| 04:01.08 | furrywolf | I've never started a fight, but I don't tend to back down if someone starts one. |
| 04:01.13 | furrywolf | haven't lost yet. |
| 04:01.23 | shingouz | furrywolf: yea but you have fangs |
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| 04:02.15 | shingouz | furrywolf: true. i have noticed the same thing. finns and booze mix too well... |
| 04:02.30 | Guerin | shingouz: i live in a little army town, so we reckon they were new army recruits out on the booze. We couldn't really whup them up, this is a REALLY small town. |
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| 04:02.40 | karsten | stew: Yeah, good advice. Cadence tends to be good. Was working on spinning. |
| 04:02.49 | shingouz | Guerin: :) |
| 04:02.51 | karsten | stew: Shimano, PD-M515 clipless. |
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| 04:03.09 | stew | karsten: yeah they have lots of float |
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| 04:03.30 | karsten | stew: I like 'em. Had resisted clipless for a long time. Stupid me. |
| 04:03.52 | stew | karsten: i've been riding clipless since '86, try switching back, its impossible :) |
| 04:04.07 | karsten | stew: ...Ice and ibuprofin help. Didn't feel the knee until about 4 miles out yesterday, tried keeping it light. Would have loved to double the ride, but some pain you _don't_ ride through. |
| 04:04.26 | stew | karsten: yeah, i hear you. its great if you can tell the difference |
| 04:04.29 | karsten | stew: Dig. I _don't_ like a lot of the bike tech that's out, tend to be conservative, but that's a win. |
| 04:04.46 | stew | karsten: i've been *extremely lucky with my knees |
| 04:04.48 | karsten | stew: Been an athlete long enough to know. Joints: bad. Muscles: w/in reason, good. |
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| 04:05.07 | anto9us | is there a gui for looking at and starting and stopping system services? |
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| 04:05.35 | karsten | anto9us: xterm |
| 04:05.41 | shingouz | karsten: if you do not take it easy you might end up like me. i can ride a bicycle for a few miles but after that i walk with a cane for three or four days. same goes for dirtbikes (but i still do enduro as i happen to love it) |
| 04:05.46 | shingouz | nite abrotman |
| 04:05.51 | Guerin | rcconf, sysv-rc-conf, sysvconfig |
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| 04:06.12 | karsten | shingouz: Oi. |
| 04:06.18 | shingouz | oi? |
| 04:06.25 | dull4o4 | hey, im havihey, im having problem to get my mouse to work... it worked with 2.4 kernel, but with 2.6 it dont.... |
| 04:06.34 | karsten | shingouz: I suffered a few days early this season, but mostly just getting-back-fit sore. |
| 04:06.40 | karsten | shingouz: oi -- yes / aye. |
| 04:06.47 | shingouz | k |
| 04:07.11 | karsten | stew: Google's amazingly useful. "knee pain". |
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| 04:07.40 | kelan | dull4o4: are you using a stock kernel from apt-get or did you compile your own? |
| 04:07.41 | shingouz | !2.6 mouse |
| 04:07.42 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 04:07.58 | kelbin | im trying to setup a samba share for my mac... no issues logging into the samba share from my windows machine.. but when i login from my mac, the only mountable option is HOME, how do i enable another directory so that i can mount it? |
| 04:08.10 | dull4o4 | mhmhkelan, its a stock kernel, got it off apt |
| 04:08.27 | shingouz | !2.6 mouse dull4o4 |
| 04:08.31 | stew | karsten: http://www.cptips.com/knee.htm |
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| 04:08.48 | stew | karsten: and of course: http://www.sheldonbrown.com/pain.html |
| 04:08.49 | dull4o4 | i dont even have /dev/input/mouse :S |
| 04:08.52 | shingouz | (mummbbblegrummbble) |
| 04:08.54 | karsten | stew: Found that one, thanks. |
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| 04:09.13 | takisd | hello. lost my floppy now that i installed hal... no /dev/fd0 anyone know where it went?? |
| 04:09.15 | dull4o4 | shingouz, it didnt work. im using xchat-text.... |
| 04:09.16 | shingouz | karsten: apt-get install tylenol |
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| 04:09.26 | kelan | dull4o4: you need to make sure mousedev is loaded. look through the output of 'lsmod' |
| 04:09.29 | stew | karsten: damn! you are in petaluma? get thee healthy, thats some of them most beautiful riding country in this natinon! |
| 04:09.34 | shingouz | dull4o4: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
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| 04:10.35 | dull4o4 | kelan, ok.. but why is /dev/input/mouse missing? |
| 04:10.43 | dull4o4 | shingouz, thanks |
| 04:10.46 | Guerin | /dev/input/mice |
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| 04:11.07 | madclicker | is therea way to setup dovecot to show in the logs how many emails were picked up? |
| 04:11.13 | shingouz | takisd: what you mean? is the entry missing in /dev? |
| 04:11.17 | karsten | stew: Napa. Two valleys over. |
| 04:11.25 | karsten | stew: And yes, I know. I pretty much grew up here. |
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| 04:11.29 | dull4o4 | no mice either |
| 04:11.39 | karsten | stew: ...and have travelled most of the country. |
| 04:11.41 | shingouz | dull4o4: usb mouse? |
| 04:11.41 | dull4o4 | shit this client suxk, i cant read even... |
| 04:11.44 | takisd | shingouz: yep... gone... i think hal recraetes the /dev dir on boot and there is o floppy |
| 04:11.50 | Guerin | karsten: you own a winery? |
| 04:11.54 | dull4o4 | shingouz no plain vanilla ps2 mouse |
| 04:12.07 | karsten | stew: My current typical ride is up Silverado trail to some arbitrary turnaround point. There's also hills. |
| 04:12.09 | shingouz | dull4o4: /dev/psaux is the device then |
| 04:12.10 | madclicker | can u help a brother ? |
| 04:12.11 | karsten | Guerin: Nope. |
| 04:12.12 | dull4o4 | is there a better text client? irssi cant get apt |
| 04:12.17 | Guerin | karsten: damn. |
| 04:12.18 | deadcat | madclicker: maybe |
| 04:12.19 | dull4o4 | shingouz, dont have psayx |
| 04:12.20 | karsten | !tell madclicker about ask. |
| 04:12.27 | karsten | Guerin: ? |
| 04:12.38 | madclicker | is therea way to setup dovecot to show in the logs how many emails were picked up? |
| 04:12.39 | karsten | dull4o4: irssi rocks. Trust. |
| 04:12.41 | stew | karsten: ahh ok. gecos thinks you are in petaluma, yeah, we used to live in SF and take the ferry to petaluma (i think) to ride into napa which was sweet |
| 04:12.43 | shingouz | dull4o4: you should... |
| 04:12.51 | Twisted_Emotions | deadcat: sup man... hey u still got ur drivers license? |
| 04:12.52 | dull4o4 | karsten, i cant apt-get irssi |
| 04:12.56 | shingouz | takisd: you run udev there? |
| 04:12.57 | Guerin | karsten: I'm collecting friends who own wineries around the world ... I spent years as a wine buyer and somellier :) |
| 04:13.06 | karsten | dull4o4: apt-get install irssi-text |
| 04:13.06 | Guerin | dull4o4: irssi-text |
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| 04:13.16 | karsten | Guerin: Ah. NSL. |
| 04:13.23 | dull4o4 | aah, thanks.. hgold on, will be back :D |
| 04:13.24 | takisd | shingouz: just execute udev??? (don't know what that is) |
| 04:13.41 | shingouz | takisd: do you run udev there was the question |
| 04:13.43 | Guerin | !nsl |
| 04:14.00 | shingouz | takisd: probably not as you do not know about it |
| 04:14.15 | takisd | shingouz: just did a ps and yes i do |
| 04:14.24 | shingouz | !udev |
| 04:14.24 | dpkg | well, udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , or broken and shit, or <stew> anymous: its not a trojan, its udev |
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| 04:15.59 | dull4o4 | ahh.. this looks better :D |
| 04:16.34 | karsten | dull4o4: Score. |
| 04:16.37 | Guerin | that's it |
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| 04:16.52 | Guerin | i'm going to write my mother a shell script to get her damn photos off her fucking camera |
| 04:16.54 | vlad__ | re |
| 04:17.10 | Guerin | every few months I have to spend an hour on irc talking her through what should be a 30 second process |
| 04:17.12 | karsten | stew: Mt Veeder pics: http://cycling.adampaul.com/gallery/napa03/ |
| 04:17.14 | dull4o4 | shingouz: /dev/psaux is missing, and when i try to use it with dpkg-reconfigure yadayada.. it says /dev/input/mouse is missing... and it is :( |
| 04:17.24 | dull4o4 | karsten: yey! :P |
| 04:17.25 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. What's she run? |
| 04:17.54 | Guerin | karsten: sarge. |
| 04:17.55 | takisd | shingouz: you recommend i remove hal and go back to devfs (is that right??) |
| 04:18.00 | shingouz | dull4o4: i am pretty much out of ideas at the moment unless you run udev too /msg dpkg udev |
| 04:18.01 | karsten | stew: Mt. Veeder elevation: http://bayinsider.ktvu.com/recreation/guides/biking/rides_road_veeder_elevation.html |
| 04:18.11 | karsten | stew: Note Mile 15 ;-) |
| 04:18.20 | karsten | Guerin: Ah. A real OS then. |
| 04:18.29 | shingouz | takisd: /msg dpkg devfs |
| 04:18.35 | karsten | Guerin: Can't just ssh in & do it? |
| 04:18.43 | dull4o4 | shingouz: do i need to change grub menu.lst to get udev to start or is it run by default with a 2.6 kernel? |
| 04:18.44 | Guerin | karsten: her annoying canon camera is only supported by gphoto2, not as mass storage... she has gtkam, which to me is an utterly idiot-proof interface, but she is far more of an idiot than the gnome devs banked on. |
| 04:18.45 | shingouz | basically i am not sure wtf to do here... |
| 04:18.57 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. |
| 04:19.06 | shingouz | dull4o4: no idea :) |
| 04:19.27 | dull4o4 | shingouz: i give up :( |
| 04:19.43 | takisd | shingouz: guess not then... |
| 04:19.46 | shingouz | dull4o4: uhhh.. do not install udev is what i'd say. i got your previous a bit wrong :) |
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| 04:19.57 | shingouz | takisd: sorry, i do really not know at the moment |
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| 04:19.58 | takisd | well if i can just recreate the floppy device i'm all good... |
| 04:20.05 | takisd | cool. thanks |
| 04:20.44 | shingouz | takisd: dull4o4 you two should ask about the missing /dev's later on, someone else should have a better idea than i do |
| 04:20.45 | karsten | Guerin: BTW... apt-cache show x11vnc. You can share her desktop, remotely, tunnelled via ssh. |
| 04:21.02 | Guerin | karsten: 56k |
| 04:21.13 | dull4o4 | shingouz: doesnt udev come with base? since with 2.4 kernel my boot up said "not starting udev, requires 2.6 kernel" ... |
| 04:21.13 | karsten | Guerin: Yes, and? ;-) |
| 04:21.37 | Guerin | karsten: sure, buddy. Full-desktop over ssh over 56k. |
| 04:21.38 | shingouz | dull4o4: i'm like "?" :) |
| 04:21.46 | takisd | thanks |
| 04:22.09 | dull4o4 | shingouz: hehe ;) yeah udev is installed by default.... |
| 04:22.14 | karsten | Guerin: VNC at really high compression does pretty well. It's _usable_. I wouldn't call it _attractive_ or an appealing option, but if you need to provide support, it's feasible. |
| 04:22.53 | shingouz | dull4o4: at least from what i have heard here udev is evil... not that i know much about it |
| 04:22.53 | karsten | Guerin: jgp compression buys you a lot. |
| 04:23.01 | dull4o4 | shingouz: i'd say udev is the new, and devfs is the old and crappy... |
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| 04:23.29 | karsten | Guerin: ...there's also nx, which _also_ works over 56k, but I'm not sure about sharing the active desktop. x11vnc lets you attach to an existing X session, sort of like VNC under Windows. |
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| 04:24.09 | dull4o4 | im not getting any beaver tonight, at least please..damn you mouse why wont you work :P |
| 04:24.18 | d03boy | whats up... how can I extract an ordinary .zip file? do i use tar or gzip? |
| 04:24.24 | shingouz | take a bigger hammer dull4o4? |
| 04:24.35 | shingouz | d03boy: unzip |
| 04:24.36 | ApEtc | d03boy: unzip |
| 04:24.41 | dull4o4 | shingouz: then i cant use X |
| 04:24.49 | shingouz | dull4o4: that is a good point |
| 04:24.54 | karsten | dull4o4: apt-get install unzip |
| 04:25.02 | shingouz | otoh, CLI is good for you dull4o4 |
| 04:25.02 | K_Dallas | rar would do it too |
| 04:25.13 | K_Dallas | so install only one, rar |
| 04:25.17 | shingouz | K_Dallas: on linux? im not too sure |
| 04:25.21 | stew | karsten: sweet |
| 04:25.22 | dull4o4 | karsten: yeah? what's unzip got to do with mouse? |
| 04:25.24 | K_Dallas | well maybe not :) |
| 04:25.34 | dull4o4 | :) |
| 04:25.36 | K_Dallas | i havent installed it yet so cannot check |
| 04:25.40 | stew | karsten: i'm jealous, i love that area |
| 04:25.43 | karsten | K_Dallas: I prefer medium-rar myself. |
| 04:25.50 | karsten | K_Dallas: It's they psychic archiver. |
| 04:25.53 | K_Dallas | ;) i am all for bien cuit ;) |
| 04:26.09 | karsten | dull4o4: missfire. |
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| 04:26.27 | ApEtc | karsten: Ahh, I misread it as a really crude barbeque pun |
| 04:26.30 | d03boy | apparently bash doesnt have the unzip command..? |
| 04:26.41 | karsten | ApEtc: No you didn't. |
| 04:26.49 | shingouz | d03boy: apt-get install unzip |
| 04:26.50 | karsten | d03boy: apt-get install unzip |
| 04:27.00 | dull4o4 | karsten: ok :) |
| 04:27.01 | karsten | d03boy: Install it. Then you can run unzip. |
| 04:27.04 | d03boy | lol... this is funny... i keep getting two of the exact same comments lol |
| 04:27.15 | karsten | d03boy: Indeed. Two times even. |
| 04:27.18 | shingouz | d03boy: that is because we are good ;) |
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| 04:27.19 | K_Dallas | ;) people are in competition to answer easy questions |
| 04:27.24 | d03boy | thanks peoples :) |
| 04:27.27 | karsten | stew: View from Veeder rocks: http://cycling.adampaul.com/gallery/napa03/pages/17_View.html |
| 04:27.32 | K_Dallas | and i am still waiting for my answer :) |
| 04:27.39 | karsten | K_Dallas: 42 |
| 04:27.40 | shingouz | K_Dallas: true, that is why they are called easy ones |
| 04:27.44 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 04:27.59 | karsten | K_Dallas: Question is ... ? |
| 04:28.11 | K_Dallas | my dsl connection, it drops when for instance my browser is inactive |
| 04:28.17 | dull4o4 | shingouz: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse, doesnt work |
| 04:28.20 | K_Dallas | but xchat continues to work! |
| 04:28.34 | stew | 42 |
| 04:28.34 | karsten | K_Dallas: /etc/init.d/networking: echo 300 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time |
| 04:28.36 | K_Dallas | so i do poff -a and then pon and browser back to working |
| 04:28.39 | karsten | K_Dallas: Try that. |
| 04:28.41 | shingouz | !tell dull4o4 about 2.6 mouse |
| 04:28.43 | K_Dallas | ok, thanks |
| 04:28.56 | dull4o4 | shingouz: nope |
| 04:29.01 | karsten | K_Dallas: Is the downing pretty consistent, eg, some period of inactivity, or random? |
| 04:29.03 | shingouz | feh |
| 04:29.07 | shingouz | !2.6 mouse |
| 04:29.08 | dpkg | methinks 2.6 mouse is modprobe psmouse; modprobe mousedev; echo -e "psmouse\nmousedev" >> /etc/modules; then read http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/2199 or see the #Debian FAQ (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/OtherHardware (#1.3)) |
| 04:29.16 | karsten | K_Dallas: I've seen timeouts at ~10 minutes, so I run keepalives at 5. |
| 04:29.22 | shingouz | dull4o4: up there. the architect scetch |
| 04:29.25 | ia3264 | how do i check which kernel i have |
| 04:29.30 | dull4o4 | shingouz: thanks |
| 04:29.33 | karsten | ia3264: uname |
| 04:29.33 | shingouz | :) |
| 04:29.35 | stew | ia3264: uname -r |
| 04:29.36 | K_Dallas | karsten it seems to be consitent |
| 04:29.38 | ia3264 | sorry just wanted to see the compition :) |
| 04:29.47 | karsten | K_Dallas: Prolly keepalive. Give it a shot. |
| 04:29.50 | karsten | K_Dallas: ...but mind.... |
| 04:29.50 | shingouz | conniption? :) |
| 04:29.54 | karsten | K_Dallas: ...that's the easy answer ;-) |
| 04:30.01 | K_Dallas | karsten, could you plz rewrite the command |
| 04:30.02 | ia3264 | *competition |
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| 04:30.15 | Guerin | !plz |
| 04:30.16 | dpkg | plz is probably german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel. L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 04:30.35 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 04:30.44 | karsten | K_Dallas: echo 300 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_time |
| 04:30.49 | K_Dallas | thanks |
| 04:30.51 | karsten | K_Dallas: ...i have that in /etc/init.d/networking |
| 04:31.07 | dull4o4 | my psmouse is = isa0060/serio1 ... wtf? |
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| 04:31.25 | gambito | hi |
| 04:31.25 | karsten | dull4o4: Not WTF. 2. |
| 04:31.29 | K_Dallas | thank you and plz has nothing to do with warez! |
| 04:31.35 | karsten | dull4o4: ...which is how many mice it takes to screw in a lightbulb. |
| 04:31.41 | stew | !list |
| 04:31.42 | dpkg | one warez list being sent |
| 04:31.51 | K_Dallas | :) |
| 04:31.56 | shingouz | K_Dallas: yes it does. ph34ar the l337. ktnx |
| 04:32.01 | ia3264 | can someone send me a keygen for uname |
| 04:32.12 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 04:32.14 | shingouz | !lart ia3264 |
| 04:32.17 | K_Dallas | you need a crack |
| 04:32.19 | dull4o4 | karsten: i dont get it. with the 2.4 kernel its /dev/psaux, and now... its ^^ ?? |
| 04:32.22 | ia3264 | whats a lart :P |
| 04:32.32 | Delph | luser attitude readjustment tool. |
| 04:32.36 | karsten | dull4o4: NFC, really. |
| 04:32.44 | ia3264 | are there bin/cue tools for linux? |
| 04:32.52 | karsten | dull4o4: Where are you getting that? |
| 04:32.52 | ia3264 | or wine daemon tools |
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| 04:32.53 | K_Dallas | chunkbin |
| 04:32.54 | Delph | it's *so* the way forward. |
| 04:32.56 | K_Dallas | or something |
| 04:32.56 | shingouz | dull4o4: uh... i have a ps/2 mouse here and it still sits nicely on /dev/psaux |
| 04:33.03 | K_Dallas | binchunk probably |
| 04:33.22 | K_Dallas | this converts to iso, if it could |
| 04:33.38 | karsten | dull4o4: I'm 2.6.7 and /dev/psaux w/ PS/2 optical mouse. |
| 04:33.47 | karsten | Um. |
| 04:33.52 | ideal | How can I make my laptop with widescreen support? I tried to tune XF86Config-4, but failed. |
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| 04:33.55 | karsten | No, it's a usb mouse. |
| 04:33.55 | shingouz | i think it was cdparanoia but i might be wrong ia3264 |
| 04:34.09 | dull4o4 | karsten: but i dont even have /dev/psaux .. its not in the directory even |
| 04:34.13 | shingouz | ideal: have you already checked the linux laptop site? |
| 04:34.21 | stew | ia3264: cdrdao |
| 04:34.36 | shingouz | cdrdao. that was it |
| 04:34.36 | karsten | dull4o4: /dev, devfs, or, um, whatever the other broken one is? |
| 04:34.42 | shingouz | udev |
| 04:34.46 | ideal | shingouz: no. can you give me that? |
| 04:34.54 | ia3264 | shiner840_Away, i want it to be 'virtual' like daemontools in windows, not something that i have to burn to disk? |
| 04:34.56 | dull4o4 | karsten: udev |
| 04:34.58 | shingouz | !tell ideal about laptop |
| 04:35.02 | ia3264 | er *singouz i meant |
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| 04:35.21 | stew | ia3264: tell whomever is distributing the software to pick a better format |
| 04:35.34 | shingouz | ia3264: i do not use bin/cue here so i do not know. have you been d/l'ing pron again? ;) |
| 04:35.43 | ia3264 | bin/cue is an awsome format |
| 04:35.51 | stew | s/whom/who/ |
| 04:35.54 | K_Dallas | how could it be awsome? |
| 04:35.55 | shingouz | yes it is. a great pain in the ass |
| 04:36.00 | karsten | dull4o4: Sorry, you've exceeded my incompetence threshhold. |
| 04:36.12 | ia3264 | its not a pain in windows, but ive not tried it in linux |
| 04:36.14 | stouse1 | ia3264: bin/cue would be awesome if there was a reason for it existing |
| 04:36.18 | ideal | shingouz, thanks. |
| 04:36.36 | ia3264 | true it is kidna pointless given what else is out there |
| 04:36.38 | karsten | ia3264: WTF is bin/cue? |
| 04:36.41 | dull4o4 | karsten: i got it to work.. modprobe psmouse |
| 04:36.42 | stouse1 | You know, like, um. ISO. |
| 04:36.43 | shingouz | karsten: there is devfs and udev. you mentioned /dev too, that is yet another version ? |
| 04:36.53 | ia3264 | yeah like iso, image stuff |
| 04:36.58 | shingouz | karsten: something nero insists on using |
| 04:37.01 | stew | karsten: aparantly an awesome, but pointless format according to ia3264 |
| 04:37.03 | _me_ | !tell _me_ about laptop |
| 04:37.09 | stouse1 | shingouz: that would be nrg |
| 04:37.11 | dull4o4 | bin=iso, cue=some text.. 2 lines |
| 04:37.11 | ia3264 | heh |
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| 04:37.23 | karsten | ia3264: apt-cache seach cue: cuetools - tools for manipulating CUE/TOC files |
| 04:37.24 | shingouz | _me_: you can also /msg dpkg |
| 04:37.25 | K_Dallas | shingouz, it is not really nero, it is if not mistaken from cdrwin or something |
| 04:37.33 | stew | dull4o4: bin!=iso |
| 04:37.35 | karsten | shingouz: I think that's covered. |
| 04:37.38 | shingouz | K_Dallas: warez in anycase |
| 04:37.47 | karsten | shingouz: Is ia3264 trying to install nero? |
| 04:37.54 | dull4o4 | stew: kind of, still an image |
| 04:37.54 | shingouz | i hope not :) |
| 04:37.56 | stew | dull4o4: iso is a filesystem, bin/cue does not necessarily contian a filesystem at all |
| 04:38.00 | K_Dallas | not necessairly but i have no objection with it |
| 04:38.04 | stew | dull4o4: iso isn't an image |
| 04:38.06 | _me_ | k thanks |
| 04:38.44 | karsten | ia3264: CUE == audio file format? |
| 04:38.55 | dull4o4 | karsten: no, cue is a text file |
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| 04:39.09 | ia3264 | its just a text file that describes/points to the .bin |
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| 04:39.18 | ia3264 | you load the cue and it auto loads the bin |
| 04:39.19 | ia3264 | basically |
| 04:39.34 | stew | ia3264: what is it? |
| 04:39.37 | stew | "it"? |
| 04:39.39 | stew | nm |
| 04:39.41 | stew | i don't care |
| 04:39.41 | K_Dallas | ia3264, you do not even need the cue ;) |
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| 04:39.43 | karsten | dull4o4: So many concepts, 17,576 TLAs. |
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| 04:39.44 | dull4o4 | stew: i believe iso is an image |
| 04:39.47 | stouse1 | karsten: the CUE file basically says, "Hi, the image you want to burn is this .bin file right here! And it has one track. Thank you!" |
| 04:39.56 | stew | dull4o4: iso is a filesystem |
| 04:40.00 | ia3264 | K_Dallas,? most software i used requires the cue |
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| 04:40.02 | stew | dull4o4: like ext3 |
| 04:40.09 | karsten | dull4o4: apt-cache show cuetools. Looks like that might be ehat you want. |
| 04:40.16 | karsten | stouse1: Dig, thanks. |
| 04:40.17 | ia3264 | you could easily make your own cue though |
| 04:40.19 | K_Dallas | ia3264, winiso or daemon tools work fine without cue |
| 04:40.26 | root_ | hello |
| 04:40.47 | ia3264 | whenever i go to mount it only shows for *.cue, *.iso though? |
| 04:40.51 | Drako60 | i have a question on how do setup iptables for routing |
| 04:40.52 | karsten | stouse1: Looks like cdrdao may also work. |
| 04:40.54 | ia3264 | less i have an old version or something |
| 04:40.54 | dull4o4 | stew: i know, its iso9600.. or something, but... |
| 04:41.02 | gambito | hellp root_ |
| 04:41.06 | karsten | ia3264: cdrdao / cuetools may be what you want. |
| 04:41.07 | ia3264 | i think ive seen *.img |
| 04:41.09 | shingouz | Drako60: just ask your question |
| 04:41.18 | ia3264 | thanks kartsen im installin as we irc |
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| 04:41.28 | karsten | !tell Drako60 about ask |
| 04:41.28 | K_Dallas | ia3264, what do you want to do with cue/bin? burn it? |
| 04:41.31 | root_ | I'm trying to open the port for telnet. How do you do that? |
| 04:41.32 | dull4o4 | !tell dull4o4 about udev |
| 04:41.36 | KRose | yo |
| 04:41.45 | Drako60 | i need to know how to bidirection routing through a debian sarge for a windows box |
| 04:41.47 | ia3264 | K_Dallas, no virtual use, like daemontools |
| 04:41.58 | ia3264 | well burning as an option is good too |
| 04:42.03 | shingouz | root_: do you have a telnet daemon running on the target? |
| 04:42.08 | ia3264 | but i dont like to wastes cds on most things |
| 04:42.11 | stew | root_: why would you use telnet over ssh? |
| 04:42.12 | K_Dallas | i see so maybe you want to try binchunk, it converts it to iso which you could mount |
| 04:42.16 | KRose | anyone good with WW4? |
| 04:42.18 | stew | why do i feel like this is a troll |
| 04:42.24 | K_Dallas | world war 4? |
| 04:42.26 | ia3264 | some people like to be hacked |
| 04:42.28 | caphuso | world war 4? ask bush |
| 04:42.32 | K_Dallas | lol |
| 04:42.36 | shingouz | !tell KRose about ask |
| 04:42.37 | ia3264 | lets get to 3 first :P |
| 04:42.51 | root_ | eh, nevermind |
| 04:42.56 | karsten | Drako60: Masquerade, bridge, gateway, or what? |
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| 04:43.09 | shingouz | that was an easy one to help |
| 04:43.10 | Drako60 | static IP |
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| 04:43.22 | karsten | Drako60: That's pretty noninformative. |
| 04:43.24 | Drako60 | gateway |
| 04:43.31 | Drako60 | sorry |
| 04:43.37 | karsten | Drako60: gw w or w/o nat? |
| 04:43.37 | shingouz | Drako60: i am not in a mood to extract information from you. state what the problem is |
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| 04:43.40 | dull4o4 | caphuso: did you see that "women agains bush" pic? they were kind of "not shaved" |
| 04:43.46 | dull4o4 | +t |
| 04:43.47 | karsten | Drako60: Google and read Masquerading HOWTO |
| 04:43.56 | Drako60 | with nat |
| 04:43.56 | karsten | !tell Drako60 about masq |
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| 04:44.07 | gambito | root why use telnetd? |
| 04:44.17 | shingouz | gambito: he is already gone |
| 04:44.18 | KRose | cuz telnet rules |
| 04:44.28 | shingouz | !lart KRose |
| 04:44.44 | karsten | Drako60: If you're not going to give more than two-word replies / info, we're going to get *really* tired of drawing data from you. |
| 04:44.48 | karsten | Drako60: Help us help you. |
| 04:44.56 | [Bloom] | @.@ |
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| 04:45.02 | [Bloom] | Drako60 is here too? O.O |
| 04:45.10 | karsten | [Bloom]: Friend of yours? |
| 04:45.13 | [Bloom] | Yes |
| 04:45.16 | K_Dallas | btw, what do you use as file-manager? |
| 04:45.21 | karsten | [Bloom]: If you can ply his tongue, do. |
| 04:45.25 | karsten | K_Dallas: bash |
| 04:45.26 | [Bloom] | heh |
| 04:45.27 | shingouz | K_Dallas: bash |
| 04:45.29 | dull4o4 | K_Dallas: nautilus |
| 04:45.39 | K_Dallas | bash? |
| 04:45.44 | karsten | !bash |
| 04:45.45 | dpkg | somebody said bash was the Bourne Again Shell, and the default debian shell. |
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| 04:45.46 | ia3264 | bourne again shell |
| 04:45.53 | karsten | shingouz: ;-) |
| 04:45.57 | ia3264 | whoa im a bot |
| 04:46.02 | [Bloom] | lol |
| 04:46.04 | dull4o4 | !cheeskake |
| 04:46.05 | K_Dallas | i know but it might not be easy for heavy tasks |
| 04:46.09 | karsten | ia3264: Long suspected. |
| 04:46.11 | ia3264 | yummy |
| 04:46.16 | shingouz | ia3264: botsnack |
| 04:46.17 | madclicker | in debian what is the location for "/var/www/cgi-bin"? |
| 04:46.20 | karsten | K_Dallas: No, it's easier ;-) |
| 04:46.24 | ia3264 | can i have one more ? |
| 04:46.29 | shingouz | ia3264: botsnack |
| 04:46.39 | ia3264 | thanks |
| 04:46.49 | stew | madclicker: /ust/lib/cgi-bin |
| 04:46.55 | [Bloom] | I'm not all that familiar with routing under Linux (using Debian Sarge that I net-installed), I managed to get far enough that I can ssh into the box from here... |
| 04:47.04 | madclicker | thx stew |
| 04:47.05 | karsten | K_Dallas: File managers all suck differently. Options: Nautilus, Konqueror, XPDE's file manager, mc, gentoo (the file manager, not the distro). |
| 04:47.16 | karsten | K_Dallas: Shell's amazingly powerful and resilient. |
| 04:47.18 | K_Dallas | i like mc |
| 04:47.26 | [Bloom] | but I can't establish outbound connections from the other machine, so I'm trying to figure that out |
| 04:47.29 | K_Dallas | shell is good but if you master it |
| 04:47.44 | dabreegster | K_Dallas: that takes about 15 minutes. |
| 04:47.52 | K_Dallas | and what is that XPDE anyways? |
| 04:47.55 | shingouz | [Bloom]: /msg dpkg mask |
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| 04:48.07 | karsten | [Bloom]: "other" is inside our outside your lan? Is this an: { internet } <-> [ gateway ] <-> ( LAN ) config? |
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| 04:48.13 | K_Dallas | PDE = partial differential equations ;) |
| 04:48.14 | [Bloom] | Exactly. |
| 04:48.15 | Guerin | i use shell for all things except multiple delete/rename/etc operations which I can't script or regexp |
| 04:48.19 | karsten | K_Dallas: Window manager / desktop environment. |
| 04:48.19 | ia3264 | anyone like korn shell? i kinda like flour |
| 04:48.24 | karsten | !tell K_Dallas about window managers for x |
| 04:48.26 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 04:48.31 | karsten | K_Dallas: XPDE4 is current. |
| 04:48.36 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 04:48.46 | karsten | K_Dallas: Um. |
| 04:48.48 | karsten | No. |
| 04:48.49 | Guerin | like a bunch of arbitrary song names which I have to prefix with 01-20, but only I know the order |
| 04:48.49 | [Bloom] | { internet } <-> [ Debian ] <-> [ Win2K ], basically |
| 04:48.51 | karsten | XFCE4. |
| 04:48.54 | dabreegster | ia3264: I prefer bash with screen, some shwoo console tricks, and a hint of strawberry. |
| 04:48.56 | karsten | K_Dallas: Missfire <- |
| 04:49.11 | anto9us | has anyone been running postgresql 8 on sarge? |
| 04:49.11 | karsten | K_Dallas: XPDE's another WM, XP clone, and kack. |
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| 04:49.19 | K_Dallas | ok |
| 04:49.43 | karsten | K_Dallas: http://www.xfce.org/ http://www.xfce.org/index.php?page=screenshots&lang=en |
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| 04:49.58 | shingouz | pssst [Bloom] it would be easier to type your nick if you lost the brackets... ;) |
| 04:50.23 | [Bloom] | ah |
| 04:50.28 | karsten | [Bloom]: Your LAN boxes need to see your GW as the default route. |
| 04:50.34 | shingouz | ty |
| 04:50.43 | Bloomwinx | my LAN box can ssh into my gateway |
| 04:50.49 | Bloomwinx | in fact, that's what I'm doing now |
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| 04:50.59 | karsten | Bloomwinx: Your gw needs to be configured to do masquerade. Read the link I gave Drako60 |
| 04:51.00 | kelan | hmm |
| 04:51.03 | kelan | hmm nick |
| 04:51.37 | karsten | Bloomwinx: ...and you need to turn on IP forwarding on the gw (echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 04:51.43 | K_Dallas | xfce, i have used and havent liked it much |
| 04:51.56 | Guerin | xfce is sweet |
| 04:52.02 | Guerin | i use ion3 nowadays |
| 04:52.02 | K_Dallas | i was looking for windowsmaker and found it ;) now i am on it |
| 04:52.08 | karsten | K_Dallas: OK. I think it's purty and simple. I point n00bs there. Much lighter than GNOME/KDE. |
| 04:52.27 | Bloomwinx | yeah, he just told me that |
| 04:52.34 | K_Dallas | ok it is more a matter of taste i guess |
| 04:52.44 | Guerin | xfce4.2 is uberleet |
| 04:52.52 | K_Dallas | kde and gnome are a bit too heavy |
| 04:52.54 | karsten | Bloomwinx: If you plan on installing a firewall, Shorewall's got a pretty bog-simple setup for all of this, for your gateway. |
| 04:53.13 | Bloomwinx | well, it's doubling up as firewall and server |
| 04:53.16 | Bloomwinx | to offload from this box |
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| 04:53.39 | shingouz | i found icewm the other day. small and fast but looks disgustingly like doze. comes in handy when installing linux on a box that is to be sold to the unsuspecting public |
| 04:53.47 | karsten | K_Dallas: My main gripe at xfce4 is its relatively poor keybinding options. I like to have hotkeys for window management, particularly maximize-vertical (for terms). |
| 04:53.50 | stew | firewall and server isn't the best combo |
| 04:54.03 | Guerin | it's so damn tight |
| 04:54.04 | ia3264 | whats wrong with fluxbox |
| 04:54.06 | karsten | K_Dallas: ...and knowing how big a window's being resized (again, terms, 80 col) is helpful. |
| 04:54.14 | K_Dallas | true |
| 04:54.47 | karsten | Guerin: Lyrics, technical quality, or what? |
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| 04:54.57 | karsten | Guerin: Otherwise, it's pretty slick. |
| 04:55.12 | dabreegster | karsten: you could try ratpoison |
| 04:55.24 | shingouz | .....she wore a raspberry beret... the kind you find in a second-hand store... ;) |
| 04:55.38 | karsten | dabreegster: I think I did, not my cuppa. |
| 04:55.45 | Guerin | karsten: music. It's just straight up and down 4/4 blues-rock. Doesn't show its age like, say, a lot of Led Zep does... |
| 04:56.00 | karsten | Guerin: Point. On technical quality ... |
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| 04:56.08 | Guerin | yeah. |
| 04:56.26 | karsten | Guerin: ... Dad's a massive classical fanatic, and pretty much anything recorded from the 1950s onward, high quality tape, rocks. |
| 04:56.37 | Guerin | awesome |
| 04:56.40 | karsten | Guerin: Even 40's stuff is decent. Earlier definitely shows its age. |
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| 04:56.53 | jpeg | shingouz: someone else had that song stuck in their head tonight. must be the zeitgeist |
| 04:57.07 | karsten | Guerin: He's got the CDs now, not tape. But you get a sense for when recording technology really peaked. |
| 04:57.09 | shingouz | jpeg: on the webradio at the moment |
| 04:57.11 | karsten | shingouz: Freak! |
| 04:57.25 | shingouz | karsten: not really, just a bit older than you ;) |
| 04:57.29 | Guerin | yeah. I had some old jazz rekkids from the '30s and '40s ... they were pretty nasty |
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| 04:57.36 | Guerin | but the stuff on them... |
| 04:57.37 | kooldeb | ok, based on a 64 bit CPU, when you push a register on a stack, will it take twice as much space on the stack as the 32 bit platform, in other words, 8 bytes ? |
| 04:57.37 | karsten | shingouz: How old's that? |
| 04:57.41 | dabreegster | karsten: I know what you mean. I stick stubbornly to the console and screen like paste. |
| 04:57.42 | shingouz | 40 |
| 04:57.43 | Bloomwinx | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j SNAT --to 141.149.129.16 |
| 04:57.47 | karsten | shingouz: 3 years. |
| 04:57.53 | shingouz | see? :) |
| 04:58.01 | karsten | shingouz: Heh. |
| 04:58.05 | mwilson | kooldeb: Is there some reason why the answer isn't obvious? |
| 04:58.10 | karsten | shingouz: It's the inches, not the years .... |
| 04:58.30 | shingouz | i just feel like an old fart from time to time.... and i have the inches and pounds on you too for that matter |
| 04:58.52 | karsten | Bloomwinx: I'm rusty on iptables, but I think the destination can be specified as an interface. |
| 04:58.58 | Bloomwinx | hm. |
| 04:59.05 | karsten | shingouz: Pounds we're about the same. |
| 04:59.07 | Bloomwinx | that page gave basically the syntax I used... |
| 04:59.10 | stew | kooldeb: heh i dunno about 8 bytes, but it would probably be somewhere in the mid 60 bit range |
| 04:59.15 | transgress | hey how do you send a global message to all users via console? kind of like the system is going down for reboot message |
| 04:59.17 | karsten | Bloomwinx: OK. It's more authoritative than I am. |
| 04:59.24 | karsten | transgress: man wall |
| 04:59.26 | kooldeb | mwilson: well my next Q, will you need technically, twice the RAM as the 32 bit platform for the same applications ? |
| 04:59.32 | transgress | karsten: thanks |
| 04:59.33 | Guerin | transgress: man shutdown |
| 04:59.43 | shingouz | karsten: that is true... if you show up on debconf i think i will have to come and say "boo" to you ;) |
| 04:59.44 | karsten | Guerin: Well, that's *one* way to get their attention. |
| 04:59.46 | Delph | transgress: just do a shutdown -k ... |
| 04:59.53 | karsten | Guerin: I guess it depends on what your message is. |
| 04:59.54 | Guerin | transgress: you can time shutdown... it'lll send a message saying machine will reboot in n minutes |
| 04:59.55 | stew | kooldeb: stop now where you are only slightly behind |
| 05:00.07 | Delph | Guerin: or more usefully, just send the warning =:) |
| 05:00.11 | Guerin | naw |
| 05:00.15 | Delph | nice one to get a bit of time to yourself on the server =:D |
| 05:00.18 | Guerin | that implies you're not serious |
| 05:00.22 | karsten | shingouz: Finnish? |
| 05:00.24 | kooldeb | stew: if you dont wanna help, stay out of it . |
| 05:00.30 | stew | np |
| 05:00.38 | shingouz | karsten: uh... yes sorry to say |
| 05:00.54 | karsten | Guerin: Considering shutdown uses wall, why not cut to the chase? |
| 05:00.58 | Bloomwinx | lol |
| 05:01.18 | karsten | shingouz: Dig. Nothing to apologize IMO. |
| 05:01.22 | Guerin | ywah, he did only want to send the message... I took the example and ran with it :) |
| 05:01.35 | karsten | shingouz: All I can say about _my_ nationality is _I_ didn't vote for him. |
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| 05:01.54 | shingouz | karsten: i am not going to get into that or finland :) |
| 05:02.05 | karsten | shingouz: ;-) |
| 05:02.12 | mwilson | kooldeb: Why would you? |
| 05:02.39 | Angelo- | Can someone point me to a howto on using pam-mysql for ssh authentication on debian? |
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| 05:03.18 | mwilson | kooldeb: The fact that applications can suddenly inhabit a 64-bit address space doesn't magically make all machine instructions double in length. |
| 05:03.41 | karsten | Angelo-: http://www.google.com/ ? Sorry. |
| 05:04.31 | Francis | como que eu posso fazer para que o meu cursor do mouse não fique pipocando na tela. Ou seja parece que os pixels que ele vai passando são espaçosos, e fico sem precisão. No windows isso não acontece. Já tentei alterar na central de controle, mas não deu certo. |
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| 05:04.49 | Guerin | !es |
| 05:04.50 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:05.01 | shingouz | Guerin: i think that is portuguese |
| 05:05.03 | Bloomwinx | that's Portuguese... |
| 05:05.06 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:05.11 | Guerin | mah bayd |
| 05:05.24 | karsten | !br |
| 05:05.24 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:05.25 | deadcat | (= |
| 05:05.26 | Guerin | i say 'españosos' |
| 05:05.32 | Guerin | err, I saw it |
| 05:05.52 | Francis | ok sorry |
| 05:05.55 | Bloomwinx | it was a c with a cedilla |
| 05:06.04 | Guerin | oh, freakshow |
| 05:06.19 | Bloomwinx | lol |
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| 05:06.31 | Bloomwinx | the channel I usually frequent, there's a handful of Brazilians |
| 05:06.34 | karsten | ...even if they don't speak 'em. |
| 05:06.50 | Bloomwinx | yeah |
| 05:06.57 | ia3264 | orkut is full of brazillians |
| 05:07.02 | Bloomwinx | so I hear |
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| 05:07.14 | Bloomwinx | from what I heard they overran the place |
| 05:07.17 | threat | G'Day |
| 05:07.20 | ia3264 | yeah |
| 05:07.25 | ia3264 | completely |
| 05:07.27 | Bloomwinx | lol |
| 05:07.40 | shingouz | and speaking of languages, that was australian ;) |
| 05:07.45 | karsten | !au |
| 05:07.45 | dpkg | well, au is gold. Australia, or a small island with mini-lines when it comes to internet |
| 05:07.47 | ia3264 | everytime i sign on i have like 10 requests from some hot girl in brazil to be my friend |
| 05:07.55 | Guerin | sure ya do |
| 05:07.59 | ia3264 | im serious |
| 05:08.05 | ia3264 | doesnt everyone? i figured it was like spam or something |
| 05:08.20 | kooldeb | mwilson: well I was not refering to machine instructions, but rather the stack and heap memory allocation for a given program :P |
| 05:08.20 | ia3264 | br scares me cus of the aids epidemic |
| 05:08.33 | threat | shingouz, sure was :) |
| 05:08.43 | Loof | Anyone know offhand if iSCSI will allow you to share non-disk (Tape & Scanner, to be specific) devices across platforms? |
| 05:08.54 | Guerin | ia3264: if you truly believe they're hot brazilian girls, I've got a sweet bridge you might want to invest in... |
| 05:09.06 | threat | mwilson, I know you :) |
| 05:09.06 | shingouz | threat: that was because we were just talking about languages and how they are getting recognized here |
| 05:09.15 | ia3264 | i dont truely believe it, just their pics |
| 05:09.19 | threat | shingouz, fair enough |
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| 05:09.35 | karsten | Loof: netcat ;-) |
| 05:09.43 | shingouz | you just happened to show up here so conveniently with the g'day threat :) |
| 05:09.44 | karsten | Loof: otherwise, no, I don't know. |
| 05:10.03 | Loof | karsten: But have you used iSCSI. |
| 05:10.04 | threat | shingouz, :) |
| 05:10.05 | karsten | ia3264: Having known a few brazillian women... |
| 05:10.17 | Loof | If I understand this correctly it interoperates between Windows & Linux |
| 05:10.22 | shingouz | karsten: we do not need to know more :) |
| 05:10.24 | Loof | (or Unix) |
| 05:10.33 | Loof | and encapsulates SCSI over TCP |
| 05:10.38 | ia3264 | yes we do |
| 05:10.40 | threat | shingouz, on a different note, what remote filesystem do you recomend for mounting to a home directory on user logon? |
| 05:10.42 | Loof | However, all of the examples are for disks. |
| 05:10.43 | karsten | shingouz: I *think* the restraining orders have lapsed... |
| 05:10.49 | karsten | threat: fish. |
| 05:10.51 | Guerin | i'm pretty convinced that brazilians, if you can call them a nationality, are the most beautiful people in the world |
| 05:10.57 | shingouz | threat: depends on what you run there, nfs or samba |
| 05:11.16 | threat | shingouz, both |
| 05:11.18 | shingouz | karsten: not that. there may be some here who are not even 17 yet |
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| 05:11.31 | Guerin | i've only met one brazilian person who was less than stunning, and she was an anorexic 2nd-gen anglo |
| 05:11.38 | Bloomwinx | @.@ |
| 05:11.41 | Loof | I'm convinced that I'm a skeptic. |
| 05:12.02 | karsten | shingouz: Mentally, certainly ;-) |
| 05:12.09 | shingouz | threat: if you have both nix and doze there, samba i'd say |
| 05:12.11 | threat | shingouz, I have windows boxes in the network too so I would need CIFS for shares that windows boxes need to access too (due to NFS locking) |
| 05:12.21 | kooldeb | mwilson: well I was not refering to machine instructions, but rather the stack and heap memory allocation for a given program :P |
| 05:12.35 | threat | shingouz, although I have tried to use CIFS as a home directory but I get all sorts of problems |
| 05:12.54 | shingouz | threat: don't use CIFS then? ;) |
| 05:12.57 | karsten | threat: At a practical level, SMB/CIFS. There are some neat games to play with on-demand / autofs and related. |
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| 05:14.06 | threat | shingouz, hmmm well I have to use a remote filesystem :) I cant not use CIFS or NFS sicne that doesnt leabve me withanything else to use, or does it? |
| 05:14.09 | valdyn | kooldeb: it depends on the application and what types it uses, generally 64 bit apps will use near twice as much stack / cache |
| 05:14.39 | shingouz | threat: damn if i know :) sorry |
| 05:14.48 | karsten | threat: coda, afs, something else, um, bram ?? from TurboLinux was working on. |
| 05:14.55 | threat | hmmm, ok well this is an open question to the channel then :) |
| 05:15.00 | karsten | threat: ...none of which are particularly widely deployed. |
| 05:15.31 | threat | karsten, I see, hmmmm is their a way to make CIFS play nicer with "Special FIles" and symbol characters? |
| 05:15.31 | karsten | valdyn: So 64 bit architecture is a conspiracy of the RAM cabal? |
| 05:15.57 | valdyn | karsten: why? |
| 05:16.01 | karsten | threat: You're somewhat bounded by the limitations of the protocol itself and the native filesystems at both ends. What specific issues. |
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| 05:16.09 | karsten | valdyn: generally 64 bit apps will use near twice as much stack / cache |
| 05:16.18 | kooldeb | karsten: exactly, thats what I been wondering about |
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| 05:16.21 | valdyn | karsten: not ram |
| 05:16.46 | karsten | kooldeb: I'm just quoting valdyn. This is OOMAOE |
| 05:17.02 | threat | karsten, the file system on both ends is Reiserfs, or Reiserfs and NTFS (for the windows clients) |
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| 05:17.25 | threat | karsten, for example evolution uses ':' which doesnt seem to be supported by CIFS |
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| 05:17.48 | karsten | woah.... |
| 05:17.53 | kooldeb | valdyn: so lets say that we have 2 systems, same memory (say 512 MB), one with a 64 bit CPU, and one with a 32 bit CPU, and they both running the same applications, then the memory used for stack and heap on the 64 bit machine is using as much as twice memory as the 32 bit CPU based machine ? |
| 05:17.55 | threat | karsten, I have enabled the unix something or other in the smb.conf file to help with links, but other then that |
| 05:18.04 | karsten | Googling "coda filesystem" gives a Google ad for jobs at Google on the Google FS. |
| 05:18.05 | Ich | karsten: i always thought it was "whoa" |
| 05:18.11 | Bloomwinx | it is... |
| 05:18.17 | Ich | woah looks like who syllables |
| 05:18.26 | valdyn | kooldeb: i didnt say that it uses twice as much heap |
| 05:18.36 | maher | kooldeb: why would that be? your data doesn't get twice as big... |
| 05:18.53 | valdyn | kooldeb: image data, sound, whatever, wont use more ram |
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| 05:18.59 | karsten | Ich: "whoah" == pronunced "woe-ah". |
| 05:19.05 | threat | coda is beta though |
| 05:19.15 | karsten | threat: And has been for a decade and a half. |
| 05:19.16 | threat | or < beta |
| 05:19.20 | threat | karsten, true |
| 05:19.24 | Ich | like ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~shoa i'm fukcin |
| 05:19.34 | Bloomwinx | @.@ a program in beta stage that long? |
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| 05:19.38 | Guerin | Ich: step away from the crack pipe |
| 05:19.40 | karsten | threat: There's a successor to it I'm trying to dig out... |
| 05:19.40 | Bloomwinx | lol |
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| 05:20.00 | karsten | Intermezzo. |
| 05:20.02 | karsten | threat: ^^ |
| 05:20.10 | eskaypey | hey how do i mount usb-key? |
| 05:20.12 | Bloomwinx | granted, none of my code from 15 years ago (which would have all been written in Applesoft Basic) still exists. lol |
| 05:20.13 | karsten | threat: CODA is based on AFS FYI. |
| 05:20.27 | threat | karsten, it sure is |
| 05:20.30 | Ich | i told u i was hardcore |
| 05:20.31 | shingouz | eskaypey: as a scsi hd |
| 05:20.37 | Guerin | eskaypey: modprobe usb-storage; mount -t vfat /dev/whateveritis /mnt/whereveryoulike |
| 05:20.41 | karsten | Peter J. Braam core dev. |
| 05:20.49 | awb4422 | does anyone know how coda differs from AFS? |
| 05:21.00 | threat | awb4422, NFI |
| 05:21.06 | karsten | threat: http://www.linuxsymposium.org/1999/intermezzo.php |
| 05:21.40 | threat | oh intermezzo aye |
| 05:21.42 | awb4422 | i only ask because there is OpenAFS |
| 05:21.47 | threat | isnt that based on NFS? |
| 05:21.56 | karsten | threat: Still mostly vapor. |
| 05:22.05 | karsten | threat: IM was Braam's next effort after Coda. |
| 05:22.09 | threat | hmmm I need something tested and stable :) |
| 05:22.18 | Bloomwinx | heh |
| 05:22.23 | karsten | threat: CIFS. |
| 05:22.32 | karsten | threat: ...or an old woman ;-) |
| 05:22.39 | threat | karsten, ok |
| 05:23.03 | threat | karsten, CIFS it is then, can I change the codemap on CIFS? |
| 05:23.12 | threat | to utf8 or something? |
| 05:23.14 | karsten | threat: NFC, RTFM. |
| 05:23.30 | karsten | threat: Codemap I'm _pretty_ sure. Legal chars, not so sure. |
| 05:23.33 | threat | karsten, hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm thanx |
| 05:23.41 | eskaypey | Guerin: special device /dev/sda1 does not exist |
| 05:24.04 | Guerin | eskaypey: so find the device using dmesg |
| 05:24.40 | karsten | threat: You got any data on where Braam's at? He seems to've dropped off the map as of 2002/3 or so. |
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| 05:25.58 | Dull4o4 | aah!! i see now.... first /dev/input is empty.. then after "modprobe psmouse" /dev/input contains mice :P ..whooha |
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| 05:26.37 | valdyn | oh the miracle of what is udev ;) |
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| 05:27.11 | Dull4o4 | valdyn, um yeah.. now how do i get this to load my default at boot? add psmouse in modules.conf ? |
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| 05:27.20 | Dull4o4 | err by |
| 05:27.25 | valdyn | Dull4o4: no, to /etc/modules |
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| 05:27.43 | Dull4o4 | valdyn, oki thanks man |
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| 05:28.12 | Lord-Cereburus | hey all, i have a quick qustion. i have a few commands that i would like to have run uppon start up, i though it would be /etc/rc.d that they would go into, but they dont run when the system runs. what file is it? |
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| 05:28.30 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 05:28.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 05:28.38 | Lord-Cereburus | rc.local, thanks |
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| 05:28.58 | valdyn | Lord-Cereburus: no, read the text |
| 05:29.11 | Guerin | hrm, what command returns just the IP address of a given interface? |
| 05:29.28 | Guerin | I mean, I could awk it out of ifconfig, but i figure there must be something clean... |
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| 05:29.43 | valdyn | Guerin: i doubt there is |
| 05:29.45 | Lord-Cereburus | ahhh alright, thanks |
| 05:30.03 | karsten | Guerin: No such animal AFAIK. |
| 05:30.22 | Dull4o4 | valdyn, psmouse or mousedev ? same same but different? |
| 05:30.32 | gurubie | There are so many ways to do debian and and that's cool. I use Sid (x86/KDE). With so many ways to run Sid, how does one do it right? What do you recomend to stay out of trouble on SId besides/while using the bug reports/Apt? |
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| 05:30.55 | valdyn | !psmouse |
| 05:30.58 | valdyn | Dull4o4: i dont know |
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| 05:31.13 | Dull4o4 | !mousedev |
| 05:31.14 | threat | karsten, I dont kn0ow :( |
| 05:31.33 | valdyn | gurubie: you cant do much more than pray on each upgrade |
| 05:32.04 | threat | is it just me or doesnt NFS allow you to execute compiled code ? |
| 05:32.19 | valdyn | gurubie: familiarity with debian will help to fix things that sid breaks, hardly to avoid the ( except what you can see by watching what dist-upgrade will do before you do it ) |
| 05:32.20 | maher | threat: did you mount with noexec? |
| 05:32.30 | Dull4o4 | valdyn, i didnt get my sound to work with the 2.4 kernel, so i switched to 2.6... not so familiar with udev, but now everything works..... |
| 05:32.32 | karsten | threat: I found a pointer to www.clusterfs.com Yeah: http://www.clusterfs.com/team.html |
| 05:32.33 | threat | maher, I hope not |
| 05:32.39 | threat | karsten, nice |
| 05:33.03 | maher | threat: mayeb it is default |
| 05:33.39 | threat | hmmm my root user cannot cd to a mounted NFS :/ says permission is denied |
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| 05:33.58 | Guerin | threat: no shit. |
| 05:34.04 | threat | I am guessing its treating my root user as nobody :) |
| 05:34.18 | Guerin | threat: man exports, look for no_root_squash |
| 05:34.22 | valdyn | gurubie: i wasnt able to hear by the sound of my hd that that famous package executed a rm -rf / on removal |
| 05:34.23 | Guerin | you guess right :) |
| 05:34.29 | threat | Guerin, isnt that dicey? |
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| 05:34.35 | gurubie | I been getting more critical bug warnings where on Sid upgrade lately (doing one now) is that what you guys are getting too? |
| 05:34.44 | Guerin | yeah, don't use it. Use a normal user. |
| 05:34.54 | threat | hmmm |
| 05:35.24 | valdyn | gurubie: thats bug warnings for the _last_ version afaik |
| 05:35.27 | threat | (rw,noexec theres the culprit (cant spell)) |
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| 05:36.38 | gurubie | ANyone having Clamav problems? |
| 05:36.43 | threat | nope |
| 05:37.00 | threat | BRB, remounting my home dir :( |
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| 05:37.51 | gurubie | valdyn" Which famous pack? |
| 05:37.58 | karsten | threat: "team" shows two guys, I suspect it's the whole show. |
| 05:38.03 | valdyn | !sid |
| 05:38.04 | dpkg | i guess sid is the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
| 05:38.19 | valdyn | gurubie: i dont remember |
| 05:38.38 | ia3264 | its sad that linux even needs an anti-virus app :( |
| 05:38.57 | Dull4o4 | .... on a p III, 550Mhz, would I gain anything from switching from the 2.6-386 kernel to 2.6-686 ? |
| 05:38.59 | maher | ia3264: it doesn't - its for scanning mail sent to windows boxes |
| 05:39.00 | valdyn | ia3264: it doesnt |
| 05:39.03 | gurubie | ia3264, It doesn't really, does it? |
| 05:39.08 | Guerin | it may do in the future... |
| 05:39.45 | gurubie | Now a firewall, that's needed. |
| 05:39.46 | valdyn | ia3264: still however a "virus" is for a big part an admin fault, not an OS fault. |
| 05:40.17 | Guerin | bah |
| 05:40.34 | gurubie | What can I do to avoid "root kits"? |
| 05:40.41 | Guerin | firewalls aren't half as important as people seem to think |
| 05:40.54 | Guerin | gurubie: don't connect your computer to the internet |
| 05:41.14 | valdyn | gurubie: limit outside access, dont run untrusted software, check security updates/mailing lists / information |
| 05:41.17 | karsten | gurubie: Not run a vulnerable system. |
| 05:41.28 | karsten | gurubie: rootkits aren't a way in, they're a way to cover up the way in. |
| 05:41.41 | ia3264 | firewalls are futile compared to just closing ports/services right? |
| 05:41.43 | Dull4o4 | that's like saying "stay in bed, dont ever get up" .... |
| 05:41.45 | gurubie | karsten, Point taken |
| 05:41.45 | karsten | gurubie: They're a symptom, not a disease. |
| 05:42.00 | karsten | ia3264: Um. Belt. Suspenders. |
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| 05:42.15 | Solet | can linux handle being on 2 networks at the same time? |
| 05:42.20 | valdyn | ia3264: yes, unless you are talking about "personal firewalls" |
| 05:42.24 | karsten | ia3264: FW gives you control at a level finer than port/service. |
| 05:42.31 | karsten | Solet: Quite. |
| 05:42.32 | valdyn | Solet: sure, or 100 |
| 05:42.33 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Yes; s/2/N/ |
| 05:42.34 | shingouz | that makes me think of a film stallone made years ago "Crime is a disease, meet the cure. Cobra" |
| 05:42.36 | Guerin | Solet: linux can handle being on n networks at one time, where n= number of network devices you have |
| 05:42.38 | Delph | ia3264: multiple layers of defence; yes. |
| 05:42.45 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Bah. |
| 05:42.50 | karsten | Solet: You can have a single NIC on multiple IPs or networks if you want. |
| 05:42.53 | gurubie | ia3264, Firewall can be better in stateful right? |
| 05:42.59 | gurubie | if not in |
| 05:43.03 | transgress | anyone know a biometric scanner that works in linux? |
| 05:43.05 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Where N= number of networks you want to connect to. :) |
| 05:43.20 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: I didn't specify REAL devices, now did I :) |
| 05:43.26 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Heh. |
| 05:43.29 | Delph | a) don't bind your services to interfaces they don't need to be on; don't configure them to accept connections they don't need to. b) also add a firewall, so when you screw up, it's not that bad. |
| 05:43.30 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Excellent point. |
| 05:43.31 | karsten | Solet: IP aliasing. eth0, eth0:0, eth0:1, ... |
| 05:43.47 | valdyn | Solet: you didnt seem to notice, if you are on irc, you are at least connected to 2 networks already |
| 05:43.49 | Solet | ok so how do i tell my acx100 wifi card to connect to both the network that has internet and to connect to the network that the print server is on? |
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| 05:44.02 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Ah, now there's a problem. |
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| 05:44.08 | karsten | Delph: That assumes control over the services operation. When you get into third-party, proprietary stuff, not always possible. |
| 05:44.14 | JoshTriplett | Solet: A wireless card can't necessarily connect to two networks at once. |
| 05:44.32 | Solet | ok |
| 05:44.43 | Solet | but my wireless can be on one and my hard line can be on another right? |
| 05:44.43 | madclicker | what is the alternative in debian for "daemon" command? |
| 05:44.44 | valdyn | Solet: what you really seem to mean is a routing thing |
| 05:44.44 | karsten | Solet: Case in point. SAS Institute shipped a "web enabled" help system some years back. It included its own webserver. And communicated over some (utterly undocumented) port. |
| 05:44.45 | Delph | karsten: which is why both is the way forard. |
| 05:44.47 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Two networks with different ESSIDs? |
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| 05:44.52 | shingouz | JoshTriplett: it should if the traffic uses the same channel and essid |
| 05:45.02 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Yes, your wireless and your ethernet can be on different networks. |
| 05:45.02 | Solet | yes |
| 05:45.04 | shingouz | not too sure about it tho JoshTriplett |
| 05:45.05 | karsten | Solet: I raised hell over that. They dropped the "feature", and now integrate with an existing webserver (if same exists). |
| 05:45.08 | valdyn | Solet: internet traffic is sent to your gateway, your printer is on your lan, so accessed directly |
| 05:45.14 | JoshTriplett | shingouz: Then "different network" doesn't really apply, does it? :) |
| 05:45.31 | karsten | Delph: yes, but you still probably don't want to have to rewrite all your idiot-written open-source apps either. |
| 05:45.35 | Solet | printer is hooked to a different machine |
| 05:45.43 | shingouz | JoshTriplett: well.. it does just like it does if you have the same wired eth connected to two networks |
| 05:46.01 | valdyn | Solet: type "route -n", you will see what is sent where ( if you read it ) |
| 05:46.30 | gurubie | Isn't there some security Kernel and who needs it? |
| 05:46.41 | karsten | gurubie: SELinux. |
| 05:47.00 | karsten | gurubie: Y'know, there's this *really* neat web site you should know about, it answers a lot of these questions. |
| 05:47.04 | karsten | gurubie: http://google.com/ |
| 05:47.10 | shingouz | :) |
| 05:47.34 | gurubie | OK, I thought is was a good Q. Thanks anyway. |
| 05:47.41 | Solet | hrm it looks like it would be easier to just put the printer on the same machine and skip the print server box.... |
| 05:48.02 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Is the print server not on the same network as the rest of your systems? |
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| 05:48.04 | valdyn | Solet: why do you think you cannot access it? |
| 05:48.05 | Ghostbuster_ | hi all |
| 05:48.05 | karsten | Solet: Doh! |
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| 05:48.11 | Solet | no, |
| 05:48.34 | karsten | Ghostbuster_: So there's a question I've been meaning to ask you. |
| 05:48.36 | Solet | not unless i buy another wifi card.... |
| 05:48.41 | karsten | Ghostbuster_: who're *you* gonna call? |
| 05:48.49 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Ah; the printer is on your wired network? |
| 05:48.52 | shingouz | karsten: he-man :D |
| 05:48.55 | Ghostbuster_ | not me |
| 05:49.02 | JoshTriplett | Solet: And your wired and wireless networks aren't bridged by some router? |
| 05:49.05 | Solet | i'll just put the printer on the same machine... it will make life easier... i hate networking... |
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| 05:49.14 | valdyn | hah |
| 05:49.37 | karsten | This is somehow, deeply, morally, disturbing. |
| 05:49.47 | shingouz | Ray Parker Jr. |
| 05:49.47 | Solet | josh... as of now the wired network isnt even up... |
| 05:49.58 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Ah. :) |
| 05:50.00 | rixth | This is really starting to piss me off. RythmBox keeps forgetting my music library so I have to go and add all the tracks over and over. |
| 05:50.07 | Solet | i was gonna use a wired network cause it sounds easier than setting up another wireless card |
| 05:50.26 | gurubie | Solet, It is. |
| 05:50.29 | JoshTriplett | rixth: apt* install mpc mpd |
| 05:51.02 | Solet | but i'll just put the printer on the local machine... (when i get around to having the energy to setup a printer... they dont sound very easy to setup... |
| 05:51.11 | rixth | Mmk, I shall |
| 05:51.14 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Actually, they're very easy. |
| 05:51.21 | madclicker | /etc/sysconfig fro debian? |
| 05:51.25 | madclicker | for |
| 05:51.31 | valdyn | rixth: run it in a shell and look at errors, or just remove ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/* and start over |
| 05:51.51 | shingouz | madclicker: and that file does what? |
| 05:52.02 | Solet | i dont like having to compile drivers... i'm not very good with terminal commands yet |
| 05:52.12 | karsten | threat: BTW, Braam's current work is "Lustre", which may or may not be Free Software. It is downloadable at the URLs mentione previously. |
| 05:52.30 | Solet | i'm still uber proud of myself for getting the wifi working |
| 05:52.50 | JoshTriplett | Solet: apt-get install cupsys cupsys-bsd foomatic-filters-ppds |
| 05:52.54 | karsten | Solet: CUPS more-or-less rocks. Except when it doesnt. |
| 05:52.55 | valdyn | Solet: printer "drivers" arent in the kernel, so you dont compile anything to use one |
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| 05:53.07 | madclicker | shingouz: in rpm distros stores system application configurations |
| 05:53.20 | JoshTriplett | Solet: That'll give you printer drivers for just about every printer with GNU/Linux support. |
| 05:53.27 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Then you just choose from the list. |
| 05:53.34 | shingouz | madclicker: What are these system applications you talk about |
| 05:53.39 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Also take a look at linuxprinting.org |
| 05:53.51 | valdyn | madclicker: maybe you are looking for /etc/default/ |
| 05:54.03 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Can you give an example of "doesn't? |
| 05:54.06 | JoshTriplett | " |
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| 05:54.12 | valdyn | !sysconfig |
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| 05:54.37 | Solet | JoshTriplett: i've already assured that it is 'supported' via that site |
| 05:54.46 | JoshTriplett | Solet: There you go. |
| 05:54.52 | JoshTriplett | Solet: What's the printer? |
| 05:54.52 | karsten | JoshTriplett: The docs are a bit byzantine. You have to find whatever the printer description files are (PSTs?), often from third-party sites. |
| 05:54.58 | JoshTriplett | karsten: PPDs. |
| 05:55.00 | Solet | hp 940c |
| 05:55.00 | shingouz | madclicker: Some additional information would not hurt |
| 05:55.10 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And almost all of them are in Debian. |
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| 05:55.23 | JoshTriplett | Solet: OK. Also install "hpijs". |
| 05:55.26 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Yeah ... sometimes from Windows systems. I've worked my way through it a few times, and it was confusing. I'd have to reread the docs to do it again. |
| 05:55.28 | madclicker | valdyn: u da b0mb, thx |
| 05:55.33 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...Toshiba eStudio20CP. |
| 05:55.39 | rixth | Well, I got THOUSANDS of these (they just kept scrolling) <<>> (rhythmbox:10248): GStreamer-WARNING **: pushing data on non-negotiated pad rmdemux0:audio_00, not allowed. |
| 05:55.57 | gurubie | How can I remove Gnome, keep KDE and still have my custom gtk2 matching theme for gtk2 apps in KDE? I enjoy "switcher", will it still work? |
| 05:56.00 | karsten | JoshTriplett: I think we had one of the three ever sold. POS color laser printer, $0.80 - $1.20 cps. |
| 05:56.10 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Joy. |
| 05:56.19 | madclicker | shingouz: /etc/default what is that in debian? |
| 05:56.22 | Solet | color lazer??? wtfh? |
| 05:56.26 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I have and love HP printers and scanners. |
| 05:56.34 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Eventually got the mofo configured. It actually worked pretty well under Debian. |
| 05:56.39 | valdyn | rixth: hmm, run gstreamer-properties and pick a working audio output sink ( though i dont see how this would be related to your track database |
| 05:56.42 | JoshTriplett | karsten: They provide excellent GNU/Linux support, all OSS. |
| 05:56.49 | shingouz | madclicker: /etc/default is a directory i think |
| 05:56.50 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Inkjet here. :) |
| 05:57.04 | kooldeb | how does gcc determine how many bytes to allocate in the begning of the program besides the allignment and variable declaration , in other words, why does it allocate more ? |
| 05:57.11 | madclicker | shingouz: /etc/default more deatails wouldnt hurt :) |
| 05:57.11 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...but *WINDOWS* _totally_ blew chunks on the same mofo. Lack of control (particularly at expendibles cost) was utterly frustrating. |
| 05:57.14 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Sucker. |
| 05:57.26 | karsten | JoshTriplett: HP's been good WRT printers, aye. |
| 05:57.49 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I can even scan over the network with a JetDirect; Windows won't do that. :) |
| 05:57.50 | shingouz | madclicker: Gee... how the hell would i know what the file you ask for does on an rpm distro when I do not use rpm distros? |
| 05:58.08 | karsten | Solet: Color laser's a *really* expensive proposition at best, and the Toshiba (rebranded Lexmark) was an utter money pit. |
| 05:58.16 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Sweet. |
| 05:58.47 | Solet | karsten: the toner mixing would be a royal bitch |
| 05:58.49 | karsten | Solet: A full toner reload was $850. Rated was ~15k impressions, actual was markedly closer to 3k. |
| 05:59.16 | Solet | jesus |
| 05:59.28 | Solet | nice idea... a bit pricey: did they work well? |
| 05:59.51 | karsten | Solet: ...and I eventually found a support vendor who confirmed my cpp estimates. He said with a ~$700 tune-up he could get our costs down to ~$0.70. Vs. ~0.003 - 0.02 for B&W. |
| 06:00.05 | karsten | Solet: Decent but not outstanding quality. |
| 06:00.24 | karsten | Solet: This white elephent was "gifted" to a Boys & Girls Club. Part of a standard distribution. |
| 06:00.33 | Ghostbuster_ | i have a deskjet 500 works good |
| 06:00.54 | karsten | Solet: It would be appropriate for, say, a real estate office which needed to crank 500 copies of a property flyer before heading out for the day. |
| 06:01.04 | karsten | For us: a fucking boat-anchor. |
| 06:01.06 | gurubie | karsten, Why is my question one to pass? Seriously. |
| 06:01.17 | Solet | karsten: ROFL |
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| 06:01.36 | valdyn | !remove gnome |
| 06:01.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, remove gnome is apt-get --purge remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common (or ask me about "install gnome") |
| 06:01.53 | karsten | gurubie: There's no one "gnome" to uninstall. If you're still using stuff that runs GNOME, you're going to have a lot of it around. |
| 06:01.59 | Solet | why in gods name would you want to remove gnome? gnome is the shit! |
| 06:02.02 | jotham | i keep getting thisaith my eepro 100, "eth1: card reports no resources" in my dmesg, any ideas wtf the fuck? |
| 06:02.09 | valdyn | gurubie: gtk2 themes and engines dont depend on GNOME, but maybe your favourite gtk2 app does.. |
| 06:02.09 | madclicker | a substitude for "killproc"? |
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| 06:02.28 | karsten | gurubie: ...it's sort of a pointless exercise based on what you said. Purge the apps you don't want, live with the rest of it. |
| 06:02.34 | karsten | Solet: s/the // |
| 06:02.45 | karsten | Solet: Google for that memorable phrase ... |
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| 06:02.53 | karsten | Solet: "gnome is fucked seven ways from sunday" |
| 06:03.01 | shingouz | hehehee |
| 06:03.26 | Solet | karsten: ummm so hate me for it... cause i love it |
| 06:03.47 | karsten | Solet: Good for you. It's got its problems. |
| 06:04.03 | Solet | karsten: so do i so we get along well i guess :) |
| 06:04.14 | karsten | Solet: Among them, fundamentally, this (and Havoc's *finally* starting to see): it will never be The One True Way. And it's got to deal with that. |
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| 06:05.02 | Solet | karsten: would it be gnome's fault that my screensavers dont always work? |
| 06:05.05 | karsten | Solet: Heh. Anyhow, if you want a strident but reasonably fact-based listing of wrongs, try: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2005/02/msg01136.html |
| 06:05.16 | gurubie | Perhaps I should have said, I'm concerned about deleting the wrong parts. It seemed to be a one shot deal on adding "gnome" packs. So your saying it's simply possible to do the same thing in reverse? |
| 06:05.19 | JoshTriplett | karsten: GNOME's been realizing that since around 2.2 or so. |
| 06:05.21 | karsten | Solet: Almost certainly ... |
| 06:05.24 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And since fd.o. |
| 06:05.25 | karsten | Solet: ... not. |
| 06:05.42 | Solet | in perticular it hasnt worked since i installed my wifi card and got it working... |
| 06:05.47 | valdyn | guru: whats 1 shot about it? |
| 06:05.53 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Havoc's recent "we'll fork 3.0" essay made it abundantly clear the penny had dropped. |
| 06:05.59 | karsten | JoshTriplett: fd.o? |
| 06:06.02 | valdyn | gurubie: whats 1 shot about it? |
| 06:06.04 | JoshTriplett | karsten: freedesktop.org |
| 06:06.08 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ?? |
| 06:06.31 | ia3264 | is selinux any good im readin about it seems pretty lame |
| 06:06.36 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Haven't heard of it or don't know why it is relevant? |
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| 06:06.54 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Vaguely familiar. |
| 06:06.54 | mog_home | hello |
| 06:06.56 | shingouz | ia3264: What kind of a site you running there? |
| 06:07.04 | karsten | JoshTriplett: My head's crammed with a lot of useless junk. |
| 06:07.06 | ia3264 | ? |
| 06:07.09 | mog_home | anyone familiar with creating deb packages point me in right way |
| 06:07.13 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...mostly about my own delusions of grandeur... |
| 06:07.20 | Anders1 | mog_home, google for debian maintainer guide |
| 06:07.21 | karsten | mog_home: Debian Developers Guide |
| 06:07.25 | jmd | mog_home: dpkg-buildopackage |
| 06:07.30 | karsten | mog_home: s/dev/main |
| 06:07.33 | shingouz | ia3264: Is that site some high-security thingie or jsut your own home box is the question |
| 06:07.35 | karsten | mog_home: maintainers. |
| 06:07.48 | mog_home | thanks |
| 06:07.57 | ia3264 | huH? :P |
| 06:08.01 | Solet | how do i repair a possably damaged package? |
| 06:08.02 | ia3264 | i just said im readin about selinux |
| 06:08.10 | karsten | Solet: Re-download it. |
| 06:08.12 | JoshTriplett | karsten: fd.o is a site for collaboration amongst developers of pieces of desktop environments and related. |
| 06:08.13 | shingouz | ia3264: In that case you do not need SElinux :) |
| 06:08.24 | ia3264 | im just wondering if anyone needs it |
| 06:08.26 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Yeah, that's my general understanding... |
| 06:08.26 | valdyn | Solet: apt-get --reinstall install <package> |
| 06:08.30 | Anders1 | ia3264, if you had a box, and you need it to be very secure, you would install selinux :P |
| 06:08.39 | shingouz | ia3264: Some do but I think you do not ;) |
| 06:08.44 | karsten | Anders1: I'd install a chastity belt, but whatever. |
| 06:08.50 | ia3264 | selinux like openbsd of linux? |
| 06:08.51 | Anders1 | karsten, lol! |
| 06:08.57 | JoshTriplett | karsten: For example, one of the first notable things they did was the .desktop file format, which KDE and GNOME both use now, and the Extended Window Manager Hints, for things like "always on top" and "tray icons". |
| 06:09.13 | madclicker | looking for file /etc/init.d/functions anyone? |
| 06:09.30 | JoshTriplett | madclicker: Possibly in one of the lsb packages. |
| 06:09.30 | karsten | JoshTriplett: .desktop I'm familiar w/. It's why, I believe, PDFs no longer work w/ Galeon. |
| 06:09.46 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Sounds more like a random bug. :) |
| 06:09.46 | stew | madclicker: thats a redhat thing, no such thing in debian, loot at /etc/init.d/skeleton maybe |
| 06:10.21 | liable | madclicker: what are you actually doing, you have a script calling that? |
| 06:10.22 | karsten | JoshTriplett: No. It's that packages incompletely implement it, but Galeon/GNOME assumes (center-of-the-universe disease) that All Is Well And Grand. |
| 06:10.32 | karsten | madclicker: man find. |
| 06:10.42 | karsten | madclicker: ...or locate. or /msg dpgk search |
| 06:10.48 | karsten | s/gk/kg/ |
| 06:10.51 | shingouz | madclicker: If you need to know what the ReHat file or directory does on Debian and ask us about it you seriously need to tell us what the original is supposed to do. |
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| 06:11.00 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Shock! Horror!: it isn't. |
| 06:11.19 | Anders1 | lol |
| 06:11.32 | JoshTriplett | karsten: *shrug*; such things happen. |
| 06:11.51 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And can be fixed. |
| 06:12.01 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...after how many months of pain? |
| 06:12.12 | karsten | JoshTriplett: GNOME IMO is a _really_ neat UI development testbed. |
| 06:12.34 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...as such, it makes certain quantum jumps in features / specs that there's no way for the rest of the world to follow. |
| 06:12.38 | madclicker | JoshTriplett:stew:karsten:shingouz: i am working with some apps that i use to have in mandrake and trying to make them work in debian |
| 06:12.43 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Heh. Beyond just that; have you tried any of the Project Utopia stuff? |
| 06:12.45 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and this, it turns out, has certain usability impacts. |
| 06:12.49 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Nope. |
| 06:12.52 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Never heard of it. |
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| 06:13.05 | JoshTriplett | karsten: HAL/udev/D-BUS. |
| 06:13.22 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Gezundheit. |
| 06:13.22 | Solet | hey any ops around: after a week of suffering i finally got my acx100 card working... i found the url http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php very helpful... in order to help future acx100 owners i was wondering if the !acx100 factoid could be added and include that url |
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| 06:13.34 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I can pop in a DVD or music CD and it plays. |
| 06:13.48 | karsten | Solet: /msg dpkg foo is bar baz qux |
| 06:13.50 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Or pop in a USB key and it's mounted and a file browser is opened. |
| 06:13.57 | shingouz | madclicker: Have you heard about apt-get? You can actually install binaries for Debian that way and you do not need to compile from source or try to use the rpm's. |
| 06:14.02 | karsten | Solet: ...or 'foo is also ... ' |
| 06:14.04 | valdyn | !acx100 |
| 06:14.14 | valdyn | Solet: mail the website admin? |
| 06:14.15 | karsten | JoshTriplett: DBus. Right, LJ article. Saw bits of that. |
| 06:14.26 | valdyn | Solet: oh nm |
| 06:14.40 | JoshTriplett | karsten: The hope, BTW, is that D-BUS can replace KDE's DCOP as well. |
| 06:14.42 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...though I'm a bit alergic to crap opening automatically for me. I realize this isn't a universally shared view. |
| 06:14.43 | shingouz | !acx100 |
| 06:14.45 | madclicker | shingouz: debian doesnt have that package |
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| 06:14.56 | valdyn | !listkeys acx100 |
| 06:14.58 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'acx100' by key returned no results. |
| 06:15.08 | karsten | !acx100 |
| 06:15.21 | JoshTriplett | karsten: That's why it's a bunch of components. The policies like that are just an app with a D-BUS interface. |
| 06:15.44 | JoshTriplett | karsten: You could do nothing, or you could have an interface that does something completely different, etc. |
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| 06:15.49 | karsten | JoshTriplett: OK. And this pertains GNOME how? |
| 06:15.50 | shingouz | madclicker: Of course you do not tell us what the original file/directory contains so we would be able to determine what it should be in Debian. |
| 06:15.51 | Solet | !acx100 |
| 06:15.51 | dpkg | i guess acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). |
| 06:16.01 | JoshTriplett | karsten: gnome-volume-manager is the first such interface. |
| 06:16.19 | karsten | Solet: Looks like the factoid has that. |
| 06:16.23 | karsten | !factinfo acx100 |
| 06:16.25 | dpkg | acx100 -- created by Solet <~Solet@ip68-102-139-232.ks.ok.cox.net> 47s ago; it has been requested once, last by Solet, 33s ago. |
| 06:16.28 | Solet | i just added that |
| 06:16.37 | karsten | Solet: Dig. |
| 06:16.46 | Solet | karsten: what? |
| 06:16.49 | JoshTriplett | karsten: KDE is working on one as well. |
| 06:16.54 | Guerin | that's a very hopeful factoid. |
| 06:16.56 | karsten | Solet: Ack. |
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| 06:17.14 | shingouz | Solet: He just said "yes" ;) |
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| 06:17.48 | karsten | Solet: dig == ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 06:17.50 | Solet | shingouz: aha... he mis-spelled it horribly... didnt get a single letter correct :) |
| 06:18.05 | karsten | shingouz: ;-) |
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| 06:18.14 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Or if you want something completely non-UIish, there's usbmount, which just mounts volumes and does nothing else. |
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| 06:18.17 | shingouz | karsten: ACK |
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| 06:18.50 | karsten | dpkg dig is also (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 06:18.50 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 06:19.02 | valdyn | usbount just parses dmesg i think.. |
| 06:19.02 | shingouz | heh |
| 06:19.17 | Solet | !dig |
| 06:19.17 | dpkg | methinks dig is part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail, or (informally) ack == ok == right == your beneficent and gracious presence and contributions to this universe are hereby recognized by sundry and all. |
| 06:19.18 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Sure, and I'm more than happy to admit that removable media management more or less precisely sucks ATM. |
| 06:19.18 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: I thought it used udev and possibly HAL? |
| 06:19.24 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...along with sound and fonts. |
| 06:19.35 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Fonts seem to be fine at the moment, as well as sound. :) |
| 06:19.44 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Alsa, XFT, and fontconfig all rule. |
| 06:19.46 | transgress | no one would know of a tut on using the LCD off a cheap portable dvd player for other uses would they? |
| 06:19.50 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Except I know about a dozen obsolete ways to manage fonts. |
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| 06:19.58 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And they are used by...? |
| 06:19.58 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...oh, and IP filtering. |
| 06:20.00 | JoshTriplett | karsten: :) |
| 06:20.01 | transgress | i have on that the dvd spinner is broken on and i wanna find a way to hook it to my computer as a second screen |
| 06:20.07 | valdyn | but gnome sound (esd) couldnt be worse ) |
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| 06:20.14 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Agreed. :) |
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| 06:20.19 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: But I don't use esd. :) |
| 06:20.26 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Well, that's the point, I've got to walk through 'em all the time and find out which one isn't obsofuckinglete today. |
| 06:20.27 | shingouz | transgress: I am guessing you are into some interesting googling |
| 06:20.45 | transgress | it's a fetish |
| 06:20.48 | karsten | JoshTriplett: And I *don't* think ALSA's the be-all-end-all. LTSP frex. |
| 06:21.09 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Granted; there are some interesting projects attempting to create a modern version of NAS. |
| 06:21.11 | shingouz | transgress: Google? Yes, I guess you could say so ;) |
| 06:21.24 | valdyn | !mas |
| 06:21.35 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: That's one of them, yes. |
| 06:22.06 | transgress | shingouz: but i can't really find anything on this |
| 06:22.09 | transgress | but i know there is a way |
| 06:22.14 | ys76 | G'Day. I've got a little trouble with the newest nagios-plugins-1.4.3. I need to roll back to 1.3.1.0. Does anybody know where to find these old Package (Sarge < 20040408) |
| 06:22.22 | karsten | JoshTriplett: My own thought is that a wrapper system for multimedia crud, where you NFS mount the apps, and run the backtracked to the remote client, which reads the app over the net, but runs it locally, makes sense. |
| 06:22.24 | JoshTriplett | ys76: snapshot.debian.net? |
| 06:22.28 | valdyn | !tell ys76 about sdn |
| 06:22.33 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Sort of a bastard-hybrid thin client thing. |
| 06:22.36 | ys76 | JoshTriplett, Thx! |
| 06:22.37 | shingouz | transgress: Upgrade your google-fu is the only solution I have currently. |
| 06:22.45 | JoshTriplett | karsten: That seems excessive. |
| 06:22.58 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Not really. |
| 06:23.02 | ia3264 | anyone here use debian |
| 06:23.08 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Bandwidth and compression is quite good enough to just stream audio to wherever the speakers are. |
| 06:23.09 | pingouin_ | nop |
| 06:23.10 | shingouz | @lart ia3264 |
| 06:23.15 | pingouin_ | go to #fentoo for debian |
| 06:23.40 | karsten | JoshTriplett: "am I being run where $SSH_CONNECTION is set? Yes? OK, go back to that host and launch myself from that local display via the NFS mount provided for that purpose). |
| 06:23.48 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Not video. |
| 06:23.55 | JoshTriplett | karsten: What NFS mount would that be? :) |
| 06:24.01 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Way too big an assumption. |
| 06:24.03 | shingouz | ia3264: We had a trollfest on #kismet yesterday and I had about my share of trollfeeding there :) |
| 06:24.18 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and not in a large lab. And not over tunneled/encrypted connections. |
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| 06:24.40 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Why, that would be Karsten's Standard Linux Wiggy Client Terminal Server configuration. |
| 06:24.45 | ia3264 | just wanted to get larted |
| 06:24.57 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Since an LTS already requires NFS mounts, it's _not_ an assumption. |
| 06:25.00 | shingouz | ia3264: ok |
| 06:25.05 | shingouz | @lart ia3264 |
| 06:25.14 | shingouz | ia3264: happy now? |
| 06:25.16 | karsten | JoshTriplett: I've been picking apart the knoppix-terminal-server package this week. |
| 06:25.18 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Better would be "Is $DISPLAY set? Ok, request the X-FOO-AUDIO extension, and arrange to stream the audio to wherever the X display is." |
| 06:25.18 | ia3264 | yes thanks :) |
| 06:25.22 | shingouz | yw |
| 06:25.41 | JoshTriplett | karsten: (As only one of many possibilities, of course.) |
| 06:26.15 | karsten | JoshTriplett: That could be appropriate in cases. But for a terminal services situation, running high-bandwidth AV on a capable local host is a better option. |
| 06:26.23 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Oh yeah, I forgot to tell you this... |
| 06:26.33 | JoshTriplett | karsten: If you can run that high-bandwidth AV, why a thin client? :) |
| 06:26.36 | darkcmd | man.. this is great.. I just got debian sarge installed with some GNOME :)... I like how sarge is setup exactly with packages and whatnot, I hope it freezes soon |
| 06:26.36 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and your love affair with GNOME may have made you unfamiliar with the concept ... |
| 06:26.47 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...but there's this little feature I'd like to include. |
| 06:26.49 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Choice. |
| 06:26.55 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Agreed entirely. |
| 06:27.28 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Hence standards. Design a way for all choices to supply similar interfaces, so programs don't need to care. |
| 06:27.38 | karsten | JoshTriplett: There's streaming the _data_ the app's reading (audio/visual) which _is_ manageable on the network, since you can buffer and cache it. |
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| 06:27.57 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...what you *can't* buffer and cache is the actual a/v delivery to the client. |
| 06:28.29 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I think your solution is perfectly workable, though complex to configure. |
| 06:28.45 | karsten | JoshTriplett: So: At the thin client (which is otherwise mostly just an X server, but has space capacity), run the player. Stream (and cache/buffer) your data. Display locally. |
| 06:28.48 | karsten | JoshTriplett: I don't. |
| 06:28.58 | JoshTriplett | karsten: You can always decide which end of the connection you want the app on, so that the minimal data is transferred. |
| 06:29.09 | karsten | JoshTriplett: You know where you came from. There's one display to worry about (:0). |
| 06:29.10 | darkcmd | does anyone think Sarge will freeze soon? |
| 06:29.13 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Seems reasonable to me. |
| 06:29.25 | karsten | JoshTriplett: It's not _minimal_ transfer. It's _apporpriate_ transfer. |
| 06:29.34 | karsten | JoshTriplett: I can buffer my input data. I *can't* buffer my output. |
| 06:29.43 | madclicker | later |
| 06:29.55 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Actually, you often can. |
| 06:29.57 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and net *always* implies lower reliability / greater latency than local execution. |
| 06:29.58 | valdyn | darkcmd: though not officially frozen it wont change much |
| 06:30.08 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Think about what you're saying, dude. |
| 06:30.19 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Latency, yes. |
| 06:30.21 | karsten | !topicsmite darkcmd |
| 06:30.21 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon darkcmd. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:30.22 | valdyn | darkcmd: many packages are already "frozen" by the maintainers, like gnome |
| 06:30.28 | valdyn | darkcmd: or kde.. |
| 06:30.29 | darkcmd | so Sarge is pretty much stuck where it's at? |
| 06:30.38 | karsten | darkcmd: Troll elsewhere. |
| 06:30.51 | valdyn | darkcmd: yea |
| 06:30.53 | karsten | darkcmd: And read the fucking topic. |
| 06:31.12 | Solet | rofl@ /msg dpkg windows |
| 06:31.16 | darkcmd | I'm not trolling, I'm using Sarge right now :) I'm just saying I like all the GNOME packages and other packages how they are |
| 06:31.19 | karsten | JoshTriplett: How are you planning to buffer live-action video over X? |
| 06:31.22 | transgress | well seeing as i can find nothing on doing what i want to do with this lcd screen i guess it'll make a nice hack-a-day article |
| 06:31.33 | darkcmd | so I was thinking if sarge freezes soon, I don't have to worry about changing stuff :D |
| 06:31.34 | JoshTriplett | karsten: You know, not everyone is a troll. :) Not that it's a particularly useful question, but it probably didn't deserve that. |
| 06:31.35 | shingouz | darkcmd: Did you read /topic? |
| 06:31.44 | darkcmd | GNOME is official frozen? |
| 06:31.50 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Third time's the charm. |
| 06:31.57 | valdyn | darkcmd: by its maintainers, yes |
| 06:32.11 | karsten | Jesus. |
| 06:32.25 | shingouz | karsten: Not quite, just a troll |
| 06:32.30 | darkcmd | valdyn, so they wont be adding any new packages or changing existing ones? |
| 06:32.40 | karsten | shingouz: Don't get cross with me ;-) |
| 06:32.41 | darkcmd | I'm seriously not a troll :( |
| 06:32.43 | JoshTriplett | karsten: First of all, consider that not every X library is as dense as Xlib, and some aren't synchronous. :) |
| 06:32.59 | JoshTriplett | karsten: So you can send a ton of X requests over the wire. |
| 06:33.01 | karsten | JoshTriplett: You're talking an X extension for cacheable AV data. |
| 06:33.16 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I'm talking making something like Xv smarter. |
| 06:33.30 | JoshTriplett | karsten: The X Video extension, I mean. |
| 06:33.36 | valdyn | darkcmd: packages can still get added but "gnome" wont change |
| 06:33.38 | karsten | JoshTriplett: It might make a nice general solution, but it's 1). something I just mentioned 2) won't exist for years. |
| 06:33.38 | shingouz | karsten: Not me, cross my heart ;) |
| 06:33.56 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:34.04 | shingouz | :) |
| 06:34.16 | JoshTriplett | karsten: X is developing fast right now; I wouldn't make bets on what will and won't come up within a couple of years. |
| 06:34.20 | ia3264 | people who are trolls usually get labelled noobs and people who arent get labelled trolls :P |
| 06:34.37 | JoshTriplett | ia3264: Says the admitted troll. :) |
| 06:34.43 | shingouz | I'll go apt-get isntall some caffiene and then maybe a minor amount of hardware hacking would be in order |
| 06:34.56 | ia3264 | im just a joker :) |
| 06:35.03 | karsten | JoshTriplett: OK, point, Xv is something that exists. Does it do anything near what I'm talking about? |
| 06:35.07 | ia3264 | well noob too |
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| 06:35.17 | shingouz | Someone lart ia3264 again, he seems to need it :D |
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| 06:35.28 | stew | !n00b |
| 06:35.29 | dpkg | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 06:35.29 | JoshTriplett | karsten: For local video streaming, yes. Doesn't help over the network, yet. |
| 06:35.31 | christor | Hello |
| 06:35.33 | valdyn | darkcmd: sarge is waiting for infrastructure to be set up. Before that is done it wont freeze, and since debian is based on volunteer work, we cannot have a predicted date for that. |
| 06:35.43 | Anders1 | @lart ia3264 |
| 06:35.44 | Anders1 | \o/ |
| 06:35.46 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Hrm. |
| 06:35.46 | Solet | hrm cant remember the command but... |
| 06:35.48 | christor | I m searching help concerning the pam_unix |
| 06:36.04 | Solet | @lart ia3264 |
| 06:36.09 | ia3264 | ack |
| 06:36.15 | ia3264 | thats just wrong |
| 06:36.21 | Anders1 | he's already using it...:/ |
| 06:36.22 | shingouz | Those larts sure show some imagination |
| 06:36.26 | JoshTriplett | karsten: That's one of many applications of the new composite and damage extensions. Another would be a VNC that can really know when applications change; another is the ability to stick windows in whatever arbitrary interface you want; etc. |
| 06:36.26 | karsten | JoshTriplett: So I could get arbitrary out-of-order sequencing on my display depending on some level of caching of content. |
| 06:36.34 | ia3264 | i use thunderbird even in windows thank you very much :p |
| 06:36.37 | Solet | @lart ravenbird |
| 06:36.41 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Push limp spaghetti much? |
| 06:36.51 | Mike77 | Hello people. Is it safe to remove S20exim4 from rc2.d? I don't use it. |
| 06:36.52 | Anders1 | 08:36:36 <ia3264> i use outlook express in windows and wine thank you very much :p |
| 06:36.55 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Hrm? Not familiar with that expression. |
| 06:37.00 | ia3264 | heh |
| 06:37.13 | karsten | Mike77: dpkg -S <file> for the package it's associated with. If you have to ask, don't. |
| 06:37.16 | Solet | hrm... |
| 06:37.19 | karsten | @comfort Anders1 |
| 06:37.22 | Anders1 | :) |
| 06:37.22 | ravenbird | There, there, Anders1. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 06:37.25 | karsten | Anders1: pam's a bitch. |
| 06:37.27 | stew | Mike77: sarge or woody? |
| 06:37.27 | Solet | @lart BillGates |
| 06:37.35 | ia3264 | spam is secure pam |
| 06:37.35 | Anders1 | 0_o |
| 06:37.38 | Mike77 | Stew: sarge |
| 06:37.49 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Pushing uncooked spaghetti's pretty straightforward. |
| 06:37.52 | stew | Mike77: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config and make it local-only |
| 06:37.58 | stew | Mike77: but leave it running |
| 06:38.05 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Pushing limp spaghetti tends to result in orthogonal operations at nether ends. |
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| 06:38.11 | Marco` | hi |
| 06:38.25 | Marco` | to install Sid, do i first need to install Sarge ? |
| 06:38.30 | JoshTriplett | karsten: i.e. it tends to move in every direction. :) |
| 06:38.33 | stew | Mike77: you shouldn't take away your system's ability to mail YOU |
| 06:38.34 | karsten | JoshTriplett: A caching component on the X display itself tends toward decoupling of the interface. |
| 06:38.42 | Solet | Marco`: not to the best of my knowledge |
| 06:38.50 | Solet | but i'm a dumbass when it comes to linux |
| 06:38.53 | karsten | JoshTriplett: More to the point, it tends not to respond very precisely or predictably to inputs. |
| 06:39.05 | valdyn | Marco`: d-i provides an expert mode, which lets you choose sid to install |
| 06:39.07 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...working on a laggy connection is a modest example of this. |
| 06:39.08 | streuner | Marco`: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 06:39.17 | shingouz | Marco`: Do not install sid if you have to ask if you shoudl install sid |
| 06:39.21 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Doing it when stuff is flying randomly across your screen makes things more difficult. |
| 06:39.28 | Delph | Marco`: at the point where you might need to ask, then using sarge is probably the best idea. |
| 06:39.32 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Ever noticed how on some systems, when you play a video, and move the window around, the video window lags behind the window decorations? |
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| 06:40.07 | valdyn | if you use xv it does that.. |
| 06:40.12 | Mike77 | stew: is it "local delivery; not on a network" what you refer to? |
| 06:40.14 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Yup. |
| 06:40.16 | Solet | whats the command to view packet transfer over the wifi? |
| 06:40.19 | stew | Mike77: yeah |
| 06:40.21 | karsten | Anders1: Anyhow, WRT your question, there's a lot of haphazard info on PAM, but I get the sense it's poorly understood in general. |
| 06:40.28 | JoshTriplett | Solet: "ifconfig" will tell you a lot. |
| 06:40.29 | Mike77 | stew: thanks |
| 06:40.31 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Actually, not. |
| 06:40.35 | stew | Mike77: you're welcome |
| 06:40.35 | Anders1 | karsten, i never asked about spam |
| 06:40.38 | Anders1 | ;p |
| 06:40.39 | JoshTriplett | Solet: Such as packets and bytes transferred. |
| 06:40.42 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...though IIRC w3m's GUI mode does something like that. |
| 06:40.44 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: i think i tend to blame driver / hardware for that since its just the same on windows |
| 06:40.49 | karsten | Anders1: 'pam_unix'? |
| 06:40.52 | Anders1 | karsten, i didnt |
| 06:41.03 | karsten | Anders1: <- Misfire! |
| 06:41.06 | Anders1 | 08:40:57 08:35:49 <christor> I m searching help concerning the pam_unix |
| 06:41.09 | karsten | christor: ^^ Anders1 |
| 06:41.16 | Anders1 | :E |
| 06:41.17 | karsten | Anders1: Apologies.k |
| 06:41.20 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: It's rather a fundamental issue; data is being streamed straight to the card, whereas the UI has more levels of indirection. |
| 06:41.20 | Anders1 | np :P |
| 06:41.25 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: GL has similar issues. |
| 06:41.37 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Of course, soon enough the whole server will be able to use GL. :) |
| 06:41.48 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Dig. I've seen stuff that looks like it's getting there. Xine has some UI quirks I've noticed. |
| 06:42.04 | Mike77 | Another question. How can I add a hard drive to my sarge box and assign a folder to it? |
| 06:42.04 | darkcmd | valdyn, when you say infrastructure... what do you mean? |
| 06:42.26 | shingouz | Mike77: man fstab |
| 06:42.28 | karsten | Mike77: Hard drive Howto. http://www.ltsp.org/ |
| 06:42.30 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Right. Fortunately, there are umpteen other video players to choose from. |
| 06:42.42 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I personally use both totem and mplayer, depending. |
| 06:42.46 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Just noting where I've seen it. Also there's a blue screen underlay. |
| 06:42.53 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Yup. |
| 06:42.54 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Mplayer & Xine largely here. |
| 06:43.10 | valdyn | darkcmd: debian.org servers required for security upgrades across all platforms supported by debian |
| 06:43.19 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Basically the same thing, really. totem is just libxine with a GNOME interface. |
| 06:43.26 | karsten | JoshTriplett: http://www.xfree86.org/current/DESIGN16.html |
| 06:43.29 | digibox | is there a way to see what is on my xfree86 xserver settings to see what I need to use on a new installation? |
| 06:43.33 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Know of x.org equiv doc? |
| 06:43.47 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Might account for my not using it ;-) |
| 06:44.01 | shingouz | digibox: /etc/X11/XF86Config* |
| 06:44.10 | darkcmd | hmm |
| 06:44.23 | darkcmd | the debblue site is down :( |
| 06:44.31 | valdyn | darkcmd: in other words, nothing that concerns you directly, but is required for sarge to be maintained properly by debian. |
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| 06:44.43 | darkcmd | ok |
| 06:44.56 | darkcmd | I am just wondering if the distro as a whole.. is mostly set |
| 06:44.56 | Atholas | Is it possible to use do software suspension/hibernation on Debian? |
| 06:44.59 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Not off the top of my head, but I'm sure it's available on freedesktop.org somewhere. |
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| 06:45.05 | karsten | digibox: what shingouz said. |
| 06:45.06 | JoshTriplett | Atholas: Yes. |
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| 06:45.14 | valdyn | Atholas: to the extent you hardware is supported by a kernel |
| 06:45.19 | karsten | christor: Still here? |
| 06:45.31 | JoshTriplett | Atholas: The kernel support is all available in Debian. |
| 06:45.37 | JoshTriplett | Atholas: As are the userspace tools, I think. |
| 06:45.47 | Atholas | JoshTriplett: Do I need to compile a custom kernel to get that support? |
| 06:45.54 | Ghostbuster_ | There are 3 little old ladies sitting on a park bench when a flasher runs up and stops in front of them. After standing there for a moment he opens his raincoat. The first old lady had a stroke, the second old lady had a stroke and the third old lady well she couldn't quite reach |
| 06:46.04 | JoshTriplett | Atholas: Let me check if the stock kernel has it. |
| 06:46.10 | valdyn | !tell Atholas about laptops |
| 06:46.31 | Atholas | JoshTriplett: I have tried Ubuntu and really liked the software suspension. But I feel more comfortable with Debian and wanted to go back. |
| 06:46.32 | shingouz | valdyn: laptop |
| 06:46.37 | valdyn | !tell Atholas about laptop |
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| 06:46.55 | valdyn | shingouz: oddly, both leads to same factoid it seems |
| 06:47.06 | shingouz | it does? cool |
| 06:47.07 | darkcmd | valdyn, when did the gnome maintainers freeze GNOME |
| 06:47.22 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Hrm. Looks like Xv's got some of what's necessary, but not the over-the-net caching component. |
| 06:47.31 | valdyn | darkcmd: no idea |
| 06:47.35 | Solet | hrm.... i am bored... i wanted to go troll a windows channel... but there arent any |
| 06:47.39 | JoshTriplett | karsten: That's what I said precisely. |
| 06:47.52 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I suggested that it could be extended to do something like that. |
| 06:47.53 | ia3264 | freeze gnome? they just stopped developing it temporarily? or abandoned it |
| 06:47.55 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Issue I see is figuring out an appropriate cache level. Also coordinating audio and vidio. That's better handled at the app than the driver level. |
| 06:48.03 | shingouz | Solet: Try #tmd on pretty much any warez network |
| 06:48.09 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Unless you'd like X extended to handle audio.... |
| 06:48.09 | darkcmd | because from 3 weeks ago.. I have some cd images for sarge |
| 06:48.11 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Agreed; synchronization is a hard problem. |
| 06:48.12 | darkcmd | and gnome has updates |
| 06:48.15 | darkcmd | probably bug fixes |
| 06:48.18 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And yeah, that's one option. :) |
| 06:48.19 | valdyn | ia3264: no, sarge will ship with gnome 2.8, thats "freeze" |
| 06:48.20 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...which, on balance, might not be entirely bad. |
| 06:48.36 | JoshTriplett | karsten: More realistically, extended to understand that audio exists, and coordinate with it. |
| 06:48.42 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Since it's a generalization of "take what's going on here and make it happen there". |
| 06:48.44 | darkcmd | 2.8 is in it currently |
| 06:49.10 | karsten | JoshTriplett: You'd be splitting the "get the audio to where it wants to go" part from "ok, here's sound input, make some noise" |
| 06:49.20 | nichos | can anyone tell me where I can find info on how to VPN to my work? are there any clients, etc? |
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| 06:49.42 | JoshTriplett | nichos: Do you know which protocol? PPTP, IPSEC, etc? |
| 06:49.45 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Last is low-level kernel sound processing. The first is a matter of catching the right bus out of town. |
| 06:49.58 | JoshTriplett | nichos: PPTP -> pptpclient. ipsec -> openswan. |
| 06:49.59 | shingouz | !tell nichos about vpn |
| 06:50.02 | karsten | nichos: apt-cache search vpn |
| 06:50.10 | nichos | JoshTriplett Honestly, im new to all this, i want to use my citrix client to use remote desktop client |
| 06:50.22 | JoshTriplett | nichos: Ah. You want an "rdp" client. |
| 06:50.29 | JoshTriplett | nichos: There are several of those in Debian. |
| 06:50.38 | llama32 | how can i link several object files into one with gcc? is it possible? |
| 06:50.40 | karsten | !tell nichos about rdesktop |
| 06:50.42 | nichos | JoshTriplett "rdc" -> microsoft remote desktop client |
| 06:50.57 | JoshTriplett | nichos: *nod* |
| 06:50.59 | nichos | JoshTriplett im using citrix now, and it works fine, just not to some machines on the network at work |
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| 06:51.05 | karsten | nichos: You may need to get a proprietary dealie. Hunt down Citrix or Tarantella via Google. |
| 06:51.08 | JoshTriplett | nichos: "rdesktop" works as well. |
| 06:51.23 | valdyn | llama32: did you try it yet? |
| 06:51.26 | karsten | nichos: rdesktop == give me access to Windows system's console. |
| 06:51.39 | karsten | nichos: There's no WTS free client for Linux AFAIK. |
| 06:51.51 | nichos | karsten, right, but i need to VPN to get to some machines on my works network |
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| 06:51.53 | llama32 | valdyn: ive established that "gcc a.c b.c -c" wont work |
| 06:51.53 | karsten | nichos: ...and you can't share the Windows display via rdesktop. For that, VNC. |
| 06:52.01 | nichos | the RDC client is fine, what i need is to vpn |
| 06:52.10 | karsten | nichos: That's an independent problem. It's networking. |
| 06:52.21 | karsten | nichos: Solve 'em seperately. |
| 06:52.28 | JoshTriplett | llama32: "gcc -c a.c -o a.o". "gcc -c b.c -o b.o". "gcc a.o b.o -o program". |
| 06:52.36 | nichos | right, im not complaining about my citrix client, i need to vpn |
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| 06:52.44 | karsten | nichos: If it's a single-port protocol, SSH port forwarding may be all you need. |
| 06:52.53 | shingouz | nichos: did you read the factoid I sent you? |
| 06:52.53 | llama32 | valdyn: gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations |
| 06:53.10 | threat | nichos, read up on freeswan or KAME or whatever VPN type solution you want :) |
| 06:53.14 | valdyn | llama32: gcc -c is to produce an unlinked object file |
| 06:53.14 | jaime | good vening every one. |
| 06:53.23 | jaime | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:53.24 | JoshTriplett | nichos: Is there an established VPN at your workplace, or are you setting one up? |
| 06:53.24 | threat | nichos, ssh port forwarding is always good |
| 06:53.26 | karsten | nichos: openvpn package? |
| 06:53.29 | llama32 | valdyn: thats what i want |
| 06:53.43 | jaime | how can I link that device with /dev/videoX? |
| 06:53.49 | valdyn | llama32: gcc -c a.c |
| 06:53.49 | llama32 | valdyn: i didnt know what to call it other that object file :) |
| 06:53.53 | shingouz | jaime: what kernel has the spca5xx in it already? |
| 06:54.01 | nichos | doesnt daemon mean server? |
| 06:54.03 | llama32 | valdyn: but multiple .c files |
| 06:54.09 | threat | jaime, what does dmesg tell you ? |
| 06:54.14 | jaime | shingouz: yep |
| 06:54.22 | shingouz | jaime: uname -r |
| 06:54.25 | threat | jaime, does it tell you what the kernel assigned the TV card to? |
| 06:54.25 | llama32 | valdyn: without #include-ing them :) |
| 06:54.36 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Anyhow, on review... |
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| 06:54.48 | valdyn | llama32: youre trying to link w/o linking, thats unpossible |
| 06:55.01 | nagual | unpossible? |
| 06:55.05 | nagual | ;-) |
| 06:55.06 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ... I can set up a thin client configuration now that provides hints to apps that they want to tunnel back home, and address most of this... |
| 06:55.10 | darkcmd | using a cd image that's a few weeks old |
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| 06:55.22 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...or I can wait for cach/buffer + sound support to be added to X at some future date. |
| 06:55.33 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Clearly you should go with the first option. :) |
| 06:55.39 | shingouz | jaime: Seriously, what kernel you run there? |
| 06:55.39 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I wouldn't suggest otherwise. |
| 06:55.44 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Which I'll concede is more likely than I'd initially thought, but, well, It ain't here yet. |
| 06:55.44 | jaime | threat: drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: USB SPCA5XX camera found. Type Intel PC Camera Pro (SPCA505+SAA7113) |
| 06:56.00 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Two things happen in parallel: people making things work and people making things work better. :) |
| 06:56.02 | valdyn | llama32: #include does something very different what variable scope is concerned |
| 06:56.03 | obtix | i just created a new key, when i try to import my new public key (for some reason the private key already imported) i get an error saying there are no valid user IDs... any ideas? |
| 06:56.05 | karsten | JoshTriplett: The "find a path to momma" solution I've got in mind _really_ isn't that hard. |
| 06:56.08 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Oi. |
| 06:56.10 | jaime | shingouz: 2.4.27-2 |
| 06:56.18 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Or as we discussed at length earlier here this evening. |
| 06:56.21 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Dig. |
| 06:56.23 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And neither group should wait on the other. |
| 06:56.35 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Though both should communicate. |
| 06:56.37 | shingouz | jaime: Maybe that it the reason, I had the problems with a 2.6 here |
| 06:56.50 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Communication's for wussies. |
| 06:56.50 | llama32 | valdyn: surely there's a way... arent there any libraries that have multiple .c sources? is -c the way libraries are meant to be compiled (it does work)? and #include is the easiest way to have multiple .c files :D |
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| 06:57.27 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Incidentally, Xvideo seems like it might be useful for gaming. |
| 06:57.31 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...possibly. |
| 06:57.50 | jaime | shingouz: seems like the module is OK, but SDL can't find the device since it has not been assigned to any /dev/videoX |
| 06:57.56 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Probably more useful if they implemented the ability to stream video into a PIXMAP, not just a WINDOW. |
| 06:58.19 | valdyn | llama32: so youre trying to make a dynamically linked library? thats not a plain object file... |
| 06:58.22 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Would depend on the gaming engine, I suppose.... |
| 06:58.26 | JoshTriplett | karsten: *nod* |
| 06:58.41 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Have you seen the luminocity demo videos, BTW? |
| 06:58.49 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Negatron. |
| 06:59.02 | shingouz | jaime: The spca5xx is not the easiest to run, I seem to recall that it would not run with all apps |
| 06:59.06 | JoshTriplett | karsten: You should; that's the kind of thing that Composite will be able to do quite well. |
| 06:59.11 | shingouz | jaime: And please do not msg me |
| 06:59.15 | karsten | JoshTriplett: I've got 56k dialup and a pretty crap video card. |
| 06:59.20 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Ah. :( |
| 06:59.23 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Sorry. |
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| 06:59.49 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Just finished d/l'ing the 128 MB AMD64 install disk earlier this evening. |
| 06:59.53 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...19hr d/l. |
| 06:59.56 | llama32 | valdyn: then how do i compile one????? |
| 07:00.01 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Short description: a window manager that has all apps render to offscreen buffers, and then renders them with OpenGL on the screen. |
| 07:00.08 | jaime | shingouz: sorry about that. how are you trying to access the device? how can you assign a popper /dev/videoX to it? |
| 07:00.14 | shingouz | Anyways, I need to scoot. Do not feed the trolls ;) |
| 07:00.19 | karsten | JoshTriplett: I'm sure the vids hit /., right? |
| 07:00.23 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Most likely. |
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| 07:01.05 | shingouz | jaime: dmsg should give some hints but I had it connect nicely to the /dev/video though, the problems were in getting the module int he first place. Gotta run, sorry |
| 07:01.11 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Anyway, that's entirely what Composite does: make applications render to offscreen chunks of video memory. |
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| 07:01.19 | jaime | shingouz: thanks |
| 07:01.26 | JoshTriplett | karsten: So the window manager and/or "compositing manager" can do whatever it wants with them. |
| 07:01.40 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Transparency is just a basic demo for that. |
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| 07:01.45 | karsten | OK. |
| 07:01.50 | karsten | Is that the sort of thing OS X is doing? |
| 07:01.57 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Sorta, yeah. |
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| 07:02.03 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and it implies a virtual display larger than the physical one, no? |
| 07:02.08 | valdyn | llama32: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Program-Library-HOWTO.html |
| 07:02.19 | llama32 | valdyn: nm, problem solved |
| 07:02.20 | JoshTriplett | karsten: There are "expose" implementations for X now, that use composite. |
| 07:02.26 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Not necessarily, no. |
| 07:02.39 | JoshTriplett | karsten: It just implies that drawing can be redirected. |
| 07:02.55 | JoshTriplett | karsten: The applications don't know. |
| 07:02.58 | karsten | JoshTriplett: I'm _way_ out of my depth... |
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| 07:03.13 | karsten | Hmmm. |
| 07:03.22 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Apps just never get Expose events forcing them to redraw because they've been covered. |
| 07:03.54 | JoshTriplett | karsten: But all the application images are in video memory, so they can quickly be composited onto the "screen" part of video memory. |
| 07:04.03 | Murp | anyone know how to get a new IP whenever DHCP server release new IP and send ifconfig to yahoo email account? |
| 07:04.06 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Is that handled in X or at the WM level or both? |
| 07:04.17 | karsten | Right. |
| 07:04.21 | karsten | Murp: Shoot the DHCP server. |
| 07:04.31 | karsten | Murp: Ah. |
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| 07:04.33 | karsten | Sec. |
| 07:04.42 | JoshTriplett | Murp: You want to manipulate the DHCP client configuration file to run a script when you get a new IP. |
| 07:04.43 | Murp | how sir karsten? |
| 07:04.46 | karsten | Murp: /join #flood |
| 07:04.46 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Both. |
| 07:05.03 | Murp | yeah JoshTriplett |
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| 07:05.19 | Murp | thanks karsten |
| 07:06.07 | karsten | Murp: Wrong box, I wiped the one I had that on... |
| 07:06.09 | karsten | Murp: 'ifconfig <interface> | grep inet | mailx -s "Your new IP, sire" <address> |
| 07:06.36 | karsten | Murp: ...will do it. A bit crudely, but you'll have the IP |
| 07:06.43 | Murp | ill try sir karsten |
| 07:07.13 | JoshTriplett | karsten: The composite extension lets any X application make a request to redirect a window offscreen. |
| 07:07.29 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And then the application can use the offscreen image however it wants. |
| 07:07.33 | karsten | Murp: a bit of awk/sed/cut can get the IP by its lonesome. If you want to mail only on change, save the output and compare values, mailing only if it differs. |
| 07:07.51 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Such as sticking it on the screen. |
| 07:07.56 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Or using it as a GL texture. |
| 07:08.21 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Or creating a thumbnail of the window that updates in real-time. |
| 07:08.22 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Right, I'm sorta grokking that. Currently X dislays to the viewable area, and windows have things like backing stores and redisplays when the are occulted by other objects |
| 07:08.34 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Right. |
| 07:08.45 | JoshTriplett | karsten: (Which is the application's business.) |
| 07:08.52 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and all manipulations are directly on that (and the real) image itself. SLLLLOOOOOWWWWW.... |
| 07:09.05 | karsten | s/and/& hence/ |
| 07:09.29 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Only slow if you need to take it out of video memory. |
| 07:09.41 | Solet | mcDonalds needs to do a happymeal theme that has toys of all the free os's mascots |
| 07:09.46 | karsten | JoshTriplett: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/temp/seth/blog/xshots.html |
| 07:09.50 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Them the vids? |
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| 07:10.09 | karsten | Solet: Noooooooooooooooo! |
| 07:10.14 | karsten | Solet: Sell-out! |
| 07:10.16 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Yes. |
| 07:10.21 | karsten | JoshTriplett: kthx |
| 07:10.29 | Solet | karsten: i just want a billion little 3 inch tall tux's |
| 07:10.53 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Do note that the effect they implemented is greatly exaggerated for the demonstration. :) |
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| 07:11.27 | JoshTriplett | karsten: BTW, also note that videos play in real-time on the window surfaces. :) |
| 07:11.39 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Reminds me that _most_ UI effects that look really cool in demos are *blazingly* annoying when on your desktop. |
| 07:12.01 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Which brings us back to choice, of course. |
| 07:12.32 | JoshTriplett | karsten: I hated GNOME around 2.0, because they took out all the important configuration options, many of which were the "off" switches for various annoyances. |
| 07:12.40 | JoshTriplett | karsten: They're learning to put the right ones back. |
| 07:13.06 | karsten | JoshTriplett: nod. |
| 07:13.28 | karsten | JoshTriplett: My current favorite app to bitch about is Flash. Which Lacks A Fucking Global Off Switch. |
| 07:13.52 | JoshTriplett | karsten: You mean like "rm -rf"? :) |
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| 07:14.00 | Guerin | all I want is a 'turn off all stupid shit' option |
| 07:14.05 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Well, yeah, that was my next point. |
| 07:14.27 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: That could be very hazardous to many users. :) |
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| 07:14.37 | Guerin | which disables all automatica, all annoying notifications, all worthless chrrome |
| 07:14.46 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: it would have to be well hidden :) |
| 07:14.51 | karsten | Guerin: In userContent.css: object, embed { display: none; } |
| 07:14.55 | nateroski | hola, alguien habla español? |
| 07:15.00 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Kinda like KDE's KPersonalizer? |
| 07:15.02 | karsten | Guerin: Does wonders. |
| 07:15.05 | JoshTriplett | nateroski: #debian-es |
| 07:15.05 | karsten | !es |
| 07:15.06 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 07:15.11 | Guerin | JoshTriplett: that's exactly what I was thinking of. |
| 07:15.47 | JoshTriplett | Guerin: Supposedly that's a symptom of everything GNOME dislikes: mandatory configuration required for usability. |
| 07:15.49 | nateroski | hello? I DO SPEAK ENGLISH |
| 07:15.54 | karsten | Guerin: There's supposed to be a "click to play flash" CSS hack, but it's not working particularly well anymore. |
| 07:16.12 | JoshTriplett | karsten: There's an extension. |
| 07:16.15 | karsten | What's KPersonalizer? |
| 07:16.25 | karsten | nateroski: /join #debian-es |
| 07:16.28 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, I used it awhile |
| 07:16.35 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ?? For what? |
| 07:16.44 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Flash click-to-play. |
| 07:16.51 | JoshTriplett | karsten: A Mozilla extension. |
| 07:16.58 | JoshTriplett | karsten: And a firefox one as well. |
| 07:17.03 | karsten | JoshTriplett: FFX, yeah. |
| 07:17.18 | karsten | JoshTriplett: As much as I dislike gnome (and actually, cause of many specific gripes), I run Galeon. |
| 07:17.29 | karsten | It's a rockin' browser, still does shit FFX doesn't. |
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| 07:18.01 | Guerin | karsten: it's a ui-config thing... it has settings for 'like windows', 'like cde', 'like macos', etc, then it has a big fuck-off slider with "no special effects" at one end and "give me the bling" at the other |
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| 07:18.06 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Specifically, really sane tabs management. Except for the tabs widget itself... <sigh> |
| 07:18.09 | JoshTriplett | karsten: KPersonalizer is a "wizard"-like application that steps you through configuring stuff in KDE. For example, it has a big slider that ranges from "slow machine" to "more visual effects"... |
| 07:18.12 | darkcmd | karsten, why do you happen to dislike GNOME? |
| 07:18.16 | karsten | JoshTriplett: You can find a few of my stronger rants on the galeon-user list. |
| 07:18.16 | JoshTriplett | karsten: What Guerin said. :) |
| 07:18.32 | karsten | Guerin: You're like so Bling, right? |
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| 07:18.46 | Guerin | karsten: totally. |
| 07:18.56 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Guerin: Right, that's the "first time running KDE" config dealie, right? |
| 07:19.00 | Guerin | yeah |
| 07:19.00 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Yup. |
| 07:19.10 | kooldeb | Q: when doing apt-get update, am getting the following: Failed to fetch http://hpisi.nerim.net/dists/stable/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden <-- any ideas ? |
| 07:19.11 | Guerin | you can run it again anytime you feel like more bling in your life |
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| 07:19.28 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Try another mirror? |
| 07:19.28 | Guerin | kooldeb: you have a web browser open to that site |
| 07:19.31 | Guerin | no |
| 07:19.42 | Guerin | oh, that's main |
| 07:19.53 | karsten | kooldeb: Nerim's a third-party mirror? |
| 07:19.55 | peterS | huh? how do I get more bling in my life? |
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| 07:20.12 | Guerin | nerim.net has a one-connection-per-host rule, I believe |
| 07:20.15 | Phated | scrollS up? |
| 07:20.17 | kooldeb | GUerin: no |
| 07:20.20 | karsten | peterS: Cover your eyes. |
| 07:20.25 | kooldeb | karsten: not sure |
| 07:20.32 | Ghostbuster_ | Kernel: Linux 2.6.11.7 | Distro: Debian/GNU 3.1 | CPU: 2-way SMP Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 3.06GHz @ 3057 Mhz | Mem usage: 93.1/1011.1 MB (9%) | Swap usage: 0/2651.3 MB (0%) | Disk usage(HTS548080M9AT00): 2.7/70.8 GB (4%) | Uptime: 8 hrs 48 mins 32 secs |
| 07:20.33 | |DuReX| | kernel panic - not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt <- what does this mean ? sometimes server dies and i get this :s |
| 07:20.36 | karsten | kooldeb: I'm permission denied. |
| 07:20.37 | peterS | Phated: ha. oh, and hello there, haven't seen you for a week or so |
| 07:20.48 | Guerin | kooldeb: in that case, the mirror's httpd is misconfigured |
| 07:20.49 | Phated | peterS: Hello, hello. How are you? |
| 07:21.02 | karsten | |DuReX|: Logs & context. |
| 07:21.07 | kooldeb | how about an ftp is there one? |
| 07:21.08 | karsten | ~tell |DuReX| about paster |
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| 07:21.34 | Guerin | kooldeb: ftp.fr.debian.org |
| 07:21.34 | peterS | Phated: can't complain, can't complain. a client of mine can't decide what they want, so I had a pleasant hour or so this afternoon changing my program around this way and that. but that's not so unusual |
| 07:21.36 | karsten | kooldeb: Suggest you figure out where you got that source from, why, find an alternate, or drop a note to the site admin. |
| 07:21.46 | Guerin | kooldeb: or one of the many in .de or .es |
| 07:21.48 | JoshTriplett | karsten: So then, there's also the Damage extension, which lets applications find out the "dirty" (needing-redraw) portions. |
| 07:22.10 | kooldeb | gubrats: is mplayer on that mirror? |
| 07:22.12 | Phated | peterS: Clients, eh. Can't live without them, can't kill them in horrible ways either. |
| 07:22.14 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Highly useful for VNC, for example. |
| 07:22.14 | peterS | JoshTriplett: see, that I don't get. I thought X11 did that from day one |
| 07:22.22 | karsten | kooldeb: It's possible the mirrors are updating, but IIRC mirrors shouldn't 403 package files. |
| 07:22.28 | karsten | Guerin: No anonftp. |
| 07:22.29 | Guerin | ever |
| 07:22.33 | karsten | kooldeb: ^^ |
| 07:22.41 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Dig. |
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| 07:22.45 | peterS | Phated: these are very pleasant clients to work with, really. they're very forgiving of my deadline slippages, for example. |
| 07:22.55 | kooldeb | Guerin: is mplayer on that mirror? |
| 07:23.00 | Phated | peterS: Lovely. |
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| 07:23.02 | JoshTriplett | peterS: The dirty regions of *other* apps. In convenient event form, for your asynchronous pleasure. |
| 07:23.04 | karsten | Phated: Top o' the $LOCALTIME. |
| 07:23.18 | Phated | Why 'ello, karsten. |
| 07:23.32 | karsten | peterS: On a per-window basis, perhaps? |
| 07:23.32 | peterS | JoshTriplett: eh? you can always ask for any event you want for any window you want. X11 is very free with its permissions model |
| 07:23.41 | shido6 | has anyone got tv capture or any of the tv functions of the AIW 9800 RADEON working? |
| 07:23.43 | peterS | but you knew that, I'm sure |
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| 07:23.50 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Yeah, local clients are trusted implicitly. |
| 07:24.11 | peterS | JoshTriplett: *all* clients are trusted implicitly. except for things like XFree86VidModeExtension |
| 07:24.14 | karsten | !tell kooldeb about marillat |
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| 07:24.33 | peterS | ...or however it's spelled (: |
| 07:24.37 | karsten | !tell apt about msg |
| 07:24.47 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I usually spell it "RandR". :) |
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| 07:24.52 | karsten | stupid bot.... |
| 07:24.55 | JoshTriplett | But yeah. |
| 07:25.01 | peterS | JoshTriplett: heh. you can tell I come from the pre-4.3 world |
| 07:25.15 | fateisajester | im trying to get temp sensors to work. i ran sensors detect and it gave me two things. one did fine when i modprobe'd it... the other (ew83627hf) FATAL: Error blah blah something or other doesnt exist.... how do i get #modprobe ew83627hf to work? i dont get it... if sensors detect found ew83627hf then why would modprobe say "no such device" |
| 07:25.17 | karsten | Heh: 00:24 <dpkg> told apt about msg ((1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce |
| 07:25.38 | JoshTriplett | peterS: No, there really is still the XFree86-VidModeExtension extension. |
| 07:25.40 | JoshTriplett | peterS: :) |
| 07:25.56 | peterS | JoshTriplett: heh, I know. I just never think about RandR as a replacement for same, although it kind of is |
| 07:25.59 | Ghostbuster_ | deb ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/ unstable main mplayer is on there |
| 07:26.19 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Nah, they do serve diferent purposes. |
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| 07:26.48 | kooldeb | Ghostbuster_: thanks |
| 07:26.53 | shido6 | !tell shido about marillat |
| 07:26.58 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Render means that things like pan widgets are realtime displays of desktops, no? |
| 07:27.15 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Sorry, I don't know what you mean by "pan widgets". |
| 07:27.51 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Desktop panning stuff. http://ftp.gnome.org/mirror/temp/seth/blog-images/monkey-hoot/clock_shadow.png |
| 07:27.57 | karsten | Lower right |
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| 07:28.05 | karsten | s/render/composite/ |
| 07:28.15 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Ah. Yes, they are. |
| 07:28.42 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Render is just client-side rendering into triangles/trapezoids/text/etc before streaming to the server. |
| 07:30.17 | Ghostbuster_ | deb http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde-3.4.0/ ./ if anyone wants kde 3.4.0 |
| 07:30.56 | peterS | JoshTriplett: what? clients can do that without any special server extension. I thought Render was a way for a client to *not* have to do that sort of thing |
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| 07:31.04 | Guerin | Ghostbuster_: is it worth bothering with? |
| 07:31.17 | Ghostbuster_ | i have it |
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| 07:33.26 | Ghostbuster_ | you'll get a broken package which you can fix it |
| 07:33.38 | JoshTriplett | peterS: TBH, I'm not an expert on Render at all. |
| 07:33.45 | JoshTriplett | peterS: That's my very basic understanding. |
| 07:35.10 | JoshTriplett | peterS: "The X Rendering Extension (Render) introduces digital image composition as the foundation of a new rendering model within the X Window System. Rendering geometric figures is accomplished by client-side tesselation into either triangles or trapezoids. Text is drawn by loading glyphs into the server and rendering sets of them." |
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| 07:35.49 | peterS | JoshTriplett: so it's client-side *and* server-side rendering. that text confuses me, I don't see how the same extension can be useful for both |
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| 07:36.07 | JoshTriplett | peterS: It handles things like image compositing. |
| 07:36.21 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Such as adding, subtracting, multiplying, etc of images. |
| 07:36.44 | JoshTriplett | peterS: As well as full alpha. |
| 07:36.44 | ia3264 | wheres boot.log |
| 07:36.50 | JoshTriplett | ia3264: /var/log |
| 07:36.56 | ia3264 | i dont have it |
| 07:37.00 | JoshTriplett | ia3264: You'll need to have "bootlogd" installed. |
| 07:37.02 | ia3264 | in there |
| 07:37.15 | peterS | JoshTriplett: right, that much I've heard before - server-side compositing of bitmaps or presumably normal XAA stuff |
| 07:37.17 | JoshTriplett | ia3264: And it'll be "/var/log/boot", not "/var/log/boot.log". |
| 07:37.23 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Right. |
| 07:37.36 | cahoot | ia3264: look at /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 07:37.39 | JoshTriplett | peterS: And handling of subpixel stuff. |
| 07:37.44 | peterS | ah, sure |
| 07:38.01 | ia3264 | is it must diff than dmesg? |
| 07:38.18 | JoshTriplett | ia3264: Oh, you just want dmesg? /var/log/messages or /var/log/kern.log. |
| 07:38.35 | ia3264 | thanks |
| 07:38.52 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Render indexes coordinates with 16-bits of pixel coordinates and 16 bits of sub-pixel coordinates. |
| 07:39.12 | peterS | 16 bits sub-pixel? isn't that, umm, a bit of overkill? |
| 07:39.18 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Yes. :) |
| 07:39.30 | JoshTriplett | peterS: IIRC, there are good reasons for it, though. |
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| 07:39.44 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I dunno what they are. :) |
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| 07:39.55 | peterS | JoshTriplett: well, if you need 16 bits of pixels, rounding it up to 32 bits total rather than 24 bits total isn't terribly expensive |
| 07:40.43 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: Likely nobody knew the answer. |
| 07:40.57 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Sorry, guess I'm misparsing that. What? :) |
| 07:41.48 | karsten | fateisajester: May I suggest bribery? |
| 07:41.57 | JoshTriplett | peterS: BTW, I think the reason has something to do with compositing a number of images, each of which needs 8-bit sub-pixel coordinates. |
| 07:42.06 | peterS | JoshTriplett: if you need 16-bit pixel coords (that is, more than 256 pixels total in one dimension), and you only need 8 bits of subpixel, that's a 24-bit coordinate. making it 32-bit instead isn't really very expensive. |
| 07:42.20 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Ah. Yes, that's right. |
| 07:42.52 | JoshTriplett | peterS: X itself can't handle more than 65536 pixels in one dimension, so there was no reason for Render to either, AFAIK. |
| 07:43.05 | karsten | fateisajester: Odds are nobody here knows your answer. Suggest you post to debian-user mailing list or another support group/location. |
| 07:43.09 | peterS | right. "ought to be enough for anybody" |
| 07:43.34 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Heh. Known to be probably a bad idea at this point, but it's one of those things that I believe would require an X12. :) |
| 07:43.38 | peterS | and honestly, there's a limit to how small you can see pixels, so until you have a huge video wall I don't see running into that limit any time soon |
| 07:44.01 | karsten | peterS: Never underestimate the bandwidth of a stationwagon full of snails. |
| 07:44.31 | peterS | karsten: I don't remember ever underestimating the bandwidth of a station wagon full of anything, actually. I just don't think about it often enough to estimate it, over- or under- |
| 07:45.15 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Well, with a 400DPI screen (such things exist), you only need 163.84 inches to exceed that. Bit close for comfort; it's certainly not in the "couldn't possibly ever exceed that" range. |
| 07:46.06 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Bit more DPI, and the space requirement starts looking more reasonable. |
| 07:46.06 | peterS | JoshTriplett: 164 inches is close to 14 feet. if your video wall is 14 feet across, nobody needs more than say 30DPI. |
| 07:46.25 | peterS | like, nobody will be looking *that* closely at it anyway, at that scale |
| 07:46.38 | ia3264 | dmesg just cat's /var/log/kern.log? |
| 07:46.45 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Granted, but DPIs will keep goingg up. |
| 07:46.49 | JoshTriplett | s/gg/g/ |
| 07:47.06 | karsten | ia3264: No. |
| 07:47.06 | JoshTriplett | peterS: To the point where you might get that on a desktop-sized screen. |
| 07:47.19 | karsten | ia3264: It reads the kernel ring buffer |
| 07:47.20 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I don't see why. it's awfully hard to distinguish pixels past a few hundred DPI. there'd be no point to the improvement |
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| 07:47.49 | peterS | ia3264: it opens /proc/kmsg in a special mode that doesn't erase the buffer as it's being read (a mere 'cat /proc/kmsg' will empty the buffer) |
| 07:47.59 | Solet | grrr... my xscreensaver wont come on... is there a log file for the xscreensaver? |
| 07:48.18 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I'm just saying that we're no longer talking about something purely theoretical; it will become more and more into the range of possibility. |
| 07:48.19 | peterS | Solet: ~/.xsession-errors possibly, depending on how you started your X server |
| 07:48.36 | Solet | peterS: gdm |
| 07:48.38 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I still don't see the point of a display > 400DPI or so. no matter whether it's possible. |
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| 07:49.05 | edward__ | for some strage reason my crontab is not working... |
| 07:49.13 | edward__ | what things can go wrong.. ? |
| 07:49.27 | peterS | JoshTriplett: it's not like those printers they use to print blank checks, with the microprint for the signature line. you don't need *that* on a computer display |
| 07:49.29 | karsten | peterS: http://www.notes.co.il/benbasat/5240.asp |
| 07:49.29 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Regardless, much more likely is that an application will want an offscreen surface that big. |
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| 07:49.38 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Why in the world not? |
| 07:49.46 | karsten | edward__: Start cron. |
| 07:49.46 | karsten | edward__: ...or check that it's running. |
| 07:49.56 | edward__ | karsten, that running |
| 07:49.56 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Especially if you want a screen with paper-like readability. |
| 07:50.11 | peterS | JoshTriplett: no, I'd argue that the burden of proof is to demonstrate *why* you'd want a screen with resolution smaller than anyone can make out without a magnifying glass |
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| 07:50.25 | karsten | edward__: What's not running? |
| 07:50.47 | edward__ | karsten, if I check the logs cron is logging that it forked the proc. only it's not |
| 07:50.47 | ia3264 | wheres install.log? |
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| 07:50.56 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Well, in point of fact, you obviously do want a screen where nobody can see individual pixels without a magnifying glass. The burden of proof is to demonstrate why you want to keep going smaller once you reach that limit. |
| 07:51.09 | peterS | JoshTriplett: even 300dpi laser copy, you have to stare pretty closely at it to make out the jaggies. and with antialiasing I doubt you'd be able to make them out at all |
| 07:51.14 | edward__ | karsten, well.. I have a simple mail script just to test it.... |
| 07:51.21 | karsten | edward__: ...and are you using an allowed/disallowed users? |
| 07:51.25 | edward__ | echo bla | mail me@me.me |
| 07:51.27 | karsten | edward__: What's the crontab line? |
| 07:51.43 | peterS | JoshTriplett: it's just that since laser is a monochrome technology (ignore color lasers, they're still a kludge), you can't have antialiasing (: |
| 07:51.59 | edward__ | karsten, * * * * * /etc/cron/mail.sh |
| 07:52.35 | karsten | edward__: And that script contains ... ? |
| 07:52.56 | edward__ | karsten, echo bla | mail me@me.me |
| 07:53.00 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I agree with you that a screen resolution such that nobody can see individual pixels would be nice. and that it doesn't make much sense to go *beyond* that. I just think that point is not above a few hundred DPI |
| 07:53.22 | ia3264 | or whats the equivalent of install.log in debian |
| 07:53.27 | karsten | edward__: Try: * * * * * echo "Hello, world" |
| 07:53.32 | karsten | edward__: ...see what that does. |
| 07:53.45 | karsten | edward__: Do you have a cron.allow or cron.deny file (in /etc) ? |
| 07:53.47 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Incidentally, that depends entirely on what distance the screen is designed to be viewable from. |
| 07:54.04 | JoshTriplett | peterS: screen-on-eyeglasses, for example, would need a much higher DPI. |
| 07:54.14 | peterS | JoshTriplett: true. but something typically viewed from 3 inches away also isn't going to be 13 feet across |
| 07:54.22 | JoshTriplett | peterS: Granted. :) |
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| 07:54.47 | edward__ | karsten, ok hold on |
| 07:55.12 | peterS | JoshTriplett: yeah, a heads-up display (screen on eyeglasses) is an interesting idea that would need finer resolution. but I bet you're limited to about 4 inches of it |
| 07:55.17 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I'm just not particularly willing to make a 640k-esque statement that 65535 is a sufficiently-large coordinate for anything. |
| 07:55.57 | peterS | JoshTriplett: I know the perils of flatly declaring that nobody will ever need more than N. but this one I feel pretty comfortable with, given the limits of human vision |
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| 07:56.34 | JoshTriplett | peterS: I'd feel perfectly comfortable with 24 bits, or even just 20 if you don't care about byte boundaries. |
| 07:57.21 | edward__ | karsten, no cron.allow or deny... and that output the root user must get in his mail right... ? |
| 07:57.38 | yhg | I know questions like this are annoying, but does anyone know why XFCE4.2 hasn't made it into unstable yet? Are there problems or just lack of interest or what? |
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| 07:58.05 | karsten | edward__: Depends on who's crontab this is in. |
| 07:58.15 | karsten | edward__: User crontab or root crontab? |
| 07:58.18 | darkcmd | its probably not ready |
| 07:58.20 | karsten | edward__: wehere root == /etc/crontab. |
| 07:58.27 | edward__ | yep |
| 07:58.43 | peterS | JoshTriplett: to require more than 64k pixels would imply a use case of multiple people at the same time, I think. like a single root window serving an entire CAVE |
| 07:58.50 | karsten | !tell yhg about excuses |
| 07:58.52 | peterS | JoshTriplett: but even there, (a) given the custom kind of rendering done there, I don't see why it would be inconvenient to draw to :0.0, :0.1, :0.2 and :0.3... |
| 07:58.55 | peterS | JoshTriplett: (b) people don't put their noses up to the screens of those things anyway, so you don't need such fine resolution |
| 07:59.07 | karsten | edward__: * * * * * root echo "hellow, world" |
| 07:59.14 | karsten | edward__: You need to specify a user in /etc/crontab. |
| 07:59.38 | veleno | i have 2 systems, a laptop and a desktop, debian/unstable with gnome. i'd like to share directories between those 2. what should I look for ? |
| 07:59.49 | edward__ | karsten, I use crontab -e to edit my crontab |
| 07:59.56 | karsten | veleno: cat5, for starters. |
| 08:00.01 | karsten | veleno: Suggest samba. |
| 08:00.14 | karsten | edward__: Well, that's not what you said. |
| 08:00.31 | karsten | edward__: "yep" to a multi-choice question doesn't cut it. Help me help you. |
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| 08:00.36 | yhg | karsten: heh, thanks. nothing about xfce though. |
| 08:00.58 | karsten | yhg: <shrug> |
| 08:00.59 | darkcmd | if i just want to be able to mount and view samba shares.. i install smb-client |
| 08:01.04 | darkcmd | right |
| 08:01.04 | karsten | yhg: That's all I've got. |
| 08:01.30 | edward__ | karsten, sorry... it's the roots crontab |
| 08:01.48 | JoshTriplett | yhg: You might ask the XFCE maintainer(s), but be careful to avoid pestering them. |
| 08:01.53 | karsten | edward__: root's, but not /etc/crontab, correct? |
| 08:02.18 | edward__ | karsten, root yes |
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| 08:03.34 | yhg | JoshTriplett: Yeah... probably not a good idea to go to a package maintainer with a question that starts with "I know this is an annoying question, but..." ;) |
| 08:03.38 | karsten | edward__: Did you add the "hello, world" example? |
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| 08:03.45 | karsten | edward__: ...and/or does it run? |
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| 08:04.31 | edward__ | karsten, yes.. in the logs it's telling me that it's running only I am not sure if it is.. with the mail script I did not get an e-mail |
| 08:04.55 | SocketERR | can someone name me a font browser? |
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| 08:04.59 | JoshTriplett | yhg: Granted, but asking them for the current status of XFCE regarding plans for uploads and the versions planned for sarge, unstable, and experimental, is a reasonable question to ask. |
| 08:05.17 | karsten | edward__: Where does root's mail go? |
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| 08:05.44 | karsten | edward__: ... /etc/aliases or 'echo "testing root mail" | mailx -s 'Testing' root |
| 08:06.04 | karsten | SocketERR: Samuel. |
| 08:06.28 | Solet | xbill is the coolest fuckin game ever!!! |
| 08:06.32 | karsten | SocketERR: Or conversely... |
| 08:06.49 | karsten | SocketERR: apt-cache search font | grep browser |
| 08:07.03 | fateisajester | is it possible to add a "--force" type option to modprobe? |
| 08:07.05 | edward__ | karsten, ok hold on |
| 08:07.18 | edward__ | karsten, i'll try a few thinkgs.. brb |
| 08:07.24 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: Yes, but that won't help you with your problem. |
| 08:07.42 | fateisajester | i have the device |
| 08:07.51 | fateisajester | FATAL: Error inserting w83627hf (/lib/modules/2.6.10-5-386/kernel/drivers/i2c/chips/w83627hf.ko): No such device |
| 08:07.52 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: I suggest looking for an lmsensors-specific mailing list or channel. |
| 08:09.11 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: Hmmm. May I suggest http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22Error+inserting+w83627hf%22 ? |
| 08:09.17 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: Looks highly promising. |
| 08:09.45 | darkcmd | someone told be before, that you can easily make your custom compiled kernel into a debian package |
| 08:09.48 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: In particular, try w83781d instead. |
| 08:09.50 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: Yes. |
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| 08:09.58 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: Install "kernel-package". |
| 08:10.13 | darkcmd | ok |
| 08:10.19 | darkcmd | thanks :D |
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| 08:10.29 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: Then after "make menuconfig" (or the config of your choice), "make-kpkg --revision 1 --append-to-version -darkcmd kernel_image". |
| 08:10.36 | fateisajester | w83781d worked..... thanks |
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| 08:11.10 | fateisajester | oh its a beautiful thing |
| 08:11.13 | oskie | is 4096 the maximum size of blocks in an ext2/ext3 filesystem? |
| 08:11.14 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: Always try googling for strings from your error message. |
| 08:11.16 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: You'll often find someone with exactly the problem you have. :) |
| 08:11.18 | darkcmd | make-kpkg will do the make bzImage, and the make modules and stuff for me? |
| 08:11.21 | peterS | oskie: yes |
| 08:11.24 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: Yup. |
| 08:11.33 | fateisajester | dude i google for hours |
| 08:11.33 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: And give you a shiny new .deb. |
| 08:11.40 | fateisajester | i must have missed it |
| 08:11.44 | oskie | isn't every ext2 fs using that blocksize (4096) nowadays? |
| 08:11.44 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: No problem. :) |
| 08:11.55 | peterS | oskie: I think 8192-byte blocks are possible on platforms like alpha, without *much* hacking in the ext2/ext3 internals, but the tools don't support it |
| 08:11.55 | darkcmd | that is really cool... thanks JoshTriplett |
| 08:12.05 | darkcmd | I don't know why I haven't found this sooner |
| 08:12.06 | oskie | peterS: ok |
| 08:12.09 | fateisajester | 1 more question.... how to load the modual at boot |
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| 08:12.15 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: Also check out "module-assistant" for building modules. |
| 08:12.17 | peterS | oskie: mke2fs picks a default block size based on the size of the filesystem itself. these days most new filesystems are big enough for it to pick 4096, yes |
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| 08:12.27 | darkcmd | does the deb update the bootloader also? |
| 08:12.29 | peterS | oskie: you can override this with a mke2fs option, of course |
| 08:12.31 | JoshTriplett | fateisajester: echo w83781d >> /etc/modules |
| 08:12.46 | fateisajester | thx |
| 08:12.57 | oskie | peterS: ok, it seems badblocks uses 1024 for default... it's been r/w checking my disk for 12 hours now |
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| 08:13.17 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: It'll update lilo automatically; there are instructions in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz for making it do the same for GRUB. |
| 08:13.50 | liable | darkcmd: grub gets updated for me |
| 08:14.00 | darkcmd | cool :) |
| 08:14.12 | JoshTriplett | darkcmd: kernel-package rules. |
| 08:14.24 | rob_lt | Anyone experiencing mouse lock-up using Debian Sid and KDE 3.4? |
| 08:14.33 | darkcmd | debian has to be the most user friendly distro i've ever used |
| 08:14.38 | darkcmd | and it has all this cool stuff |
| 08:14.39 | JoshTriplett | rob_lt: Define "mouse lock-up"? |
| 08:15.48 | rob_lt | JoshTriplett, everything seems to work normally, but the mouse is "frozen", until I either reset the X server (ctrl-alt-backspace), or ctrl-alt-f2 and the then ctrl-alt-f7 |
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| 08:16.10 | JoshTriplett | rob_lt: Keyboard works fine? |
| 08:16.27 | rob_lt | apparently |
| 08:16.32 | rob_lt | sp? |
| 08:16.38 | Guerin | fucking hell |
| 08:17.04 | Guerin | for some reason I can't fathom, one of my .htaccess/.htpasswd combos stopped working |
| 08:17.18 | rob_lt | I can move my usb mouse all around, but the cursor stays still. |
| 08:17.19 | Guerin | as in, stopped denying access to my mail system's admin scripts... |
| 08:17.22 | JoshTriplett | rob_lt: What mouse protocol are you using? |
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| 08:17.50 | rob_lt | PS/2 |
| 08:17.56 | rob_lt | maybe IMPS/2 |
| 08:17.58 | rob_lt | ? |
| 08:18.01 | Guerin | rob_lt: 1) kde isn't in debian sid 2) kde has nothing to do with your mouse. |
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| 08:18.07 | Guerin | !guess |
| 08:18.07 | dpkg | somebody said guess was a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 08:18.11 | streuner | rob_lt: /msg dpkg usbmouse |
| 08:18.12 | Solet | will xscreensaver not start if root is logged in on another tty? |
| 08:18.46 | streuner | rob_lt: hint: MAKEDEV... |
| 08:19.00 | streuner | Guerin: any errors? |
| 08:20.18 | streuner | rob_lt: if you using xfree and you have still problems ask in #debian-kde then |
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| 08:28.20 | majk | Hi, I see now, that raidtools2 package is out from sarge. Which package replace this package, or where can I found replace for raidhotadd ? |
| 08:28.23 | karsten | OT: Brainteaser, "Petals Around the Rose" |
| 08:28.34 | karsten | http://www.borrett.id.au/computing/petals-j.htm |
| 08:28.49 | peterS | majk: mdadm |
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| 08:29.55 | supaman | why does the following command stop after the first song is played? cdda2wav -D /dev/cdrom -e -d0 -N |
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| 08:30.52 | majk | peterS: ok, thnx, I'll look there |
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| 08:31.22 | takisd | this is killing me... udev killed my floppy!!! any ideas on where that device went...??? |
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| 08:31.45 | streuner | Guerin: so what doesn't work? |
| 08:31.59 | peterS | takisd: you have the floppy module loaded? udev doesn't create devices until you load modules |
| 08:32.17 | takisd | peterS: i have ide-floppy loaded. any others??? |
| 08:32.29 | peterS | takisd: ide-floppy is for ZIP disks and such. that'll be /dev/hda or similar |
| 08:32.41 | peterS | takisd: if you want a normal 3.5 inch floppy, the module is just called 'floppy' |
| 08:32.49 | takisd | peterS: oh... ok.. looking now... |
| 08:33.05 | veleno | i got samba server working fine (smblclient -L IP shows shares and printers). how can I see it from nautilus ? it is not shown there |
| 08:33.50 | takisd | peterS: wow... you know stuff... thanks... it worked... thanks... been fiddling all day... |
| 08:33.58 | peterS | heh. glad to help |
| 08:35.00 | qwertz | Hi! Has anybody experience in using evolution2 with the ximian-connector to access an exchange-server? I'm failing to get a connection ... |
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| 08:36.17 | transgre1s | anyone installed unreal2k4 in here? |
| 08:36.25 | ia3264 | whats the equivalent of install.log in debian |
| 08:36.31 | Supaplex | qwertz: I don't use it myself, but some may beg to know of any error messages, or stuff you tried and the result of each. (otherwise it's a vague classification of "don't work") |
| 08:37.17 | peterS | ia3264: some file in /root for the initial install. after that, if you use aptitude like you should, there is /var/log/aptitude |
| 08:37.45 | ia3264 | /root/install-report-template? |
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| 08:37.58 | cahoot | ia3264: on my sarge: /var/log/debian-installer |
| 08:38.33 | ia3264 | /status? |
| 08:39.02 | peterS | ia3264: why don't you, I dunno, maybe *read* some of these files and possibly, just possibly, determine for yourself whether they seem to be what you want |
| 08:39.22 | ia3264 | what a crazy notion, but ok :p |
| 08:40.01 | Solet | is it possable that the input from my wireless ethernet card is causing my xscreensaver not to come on? |
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| 08:40.32 | qwertz | After account creation and --force-shutdown env E2K_DEBUG=4 /usr/lib/evolution/2.0/evolution-exchange-storage" doesn't show any communication when I try to open my exchange folder and the password dialog locks up after I supplied my password. Any suggestions? |
| 08:41.18 | peterS | Solet: mouse jitter is a lot more likely. (I've seen mice that can't decide which pixel they're on, they keep sending tiny movement packets. moving the mouse will usually "fix" this) |
| 08:42.14 | Solet | its an optical mouse, its currently setting upside down with a piece of electrical tape over the lense opening, it cant possably be moving |
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| 08:42.55 | peterS | Solet: *not* having the electrical tape would be a surer thing |
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| 08:44.15 | ia3264 | hmm aptitude seems even better than dselect |
| 08:44.31 | ia3264 | wonder why ive never heard fo it |
| 08:44.40 | Guerin | ia3264: if you start using aptitude, don't go back to apt-get |
| 08:44.52 | Guerin | they interact ... complexly |
| 08:44.53 | ia3264 | how come |
| 08:44.54 | Solet | peterS still no screensaver coming on... its set to 1 minute |
| 08:45.06 | ia3264 | is aptitude worht it |
| 08:45.17 | stouse1 | ia3264 basically. |
| 08:45.17 | peterS | Solet: I doubt it's your wireless packets, at any rate. what it would be, I don't know |
| 08:45.23 | Guerin | ia3264: in some cases if you remove some packages using apt-get, aptitude will keep wanting to reinstall them |
| 08:45.33 | stouse1 | Solet: use xscreensaver-command to test |
| 08:45.34 | Guerin | but if you just use aptitude, you should be alright |
| 08:45.39 | veleno | anyone can confirm that nautilus can't show a samba share directory ? |
| 08:45.47 | stouse1 | veleno: can for me. |
| 08:45.50 | karsten | ia3264: Hiding under rocks? |
| 08:45.55 | karsten | !tell ia3264 about aptitude |
| 08:46.23 | ia3264 | whats a grilf |
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| 08:46.41 | karsten | ia3264: ...what Guerin, and vice versa: sometimes aptitude wants to _un_install things. READ YOUR ACTION SUMMARY *BEFORE* committing to it. |
| 08:46.47 | karsten | !grilf |
| 08:46.59 | veleno | stouse1: which gnome are you in ? did you setup samba somehow specifically for this ? |
| 08:47.14 | Solet | stouse1: with what params? |
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| 08:47.25 | karsten | veleno: Properly configured (not an idle assumption WRT nautilus) it can. |
| 08:47.28 | polok | what library do I need to use -lsocket under Linux? |
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| 08:48.05 | veleno | karsten: can you point me to some documentation about properly setting it up ? |
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| 08:48.16 | karsten | !grilf |
| 08:48.17 | dpkg | somebody said grilf was see gf |
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| 08:48.42 | stouse1 | veleno: this is with GNOME 2.8 and 2.10 |
| 08:48.43 | karsten | veleno: No. I don't run nautilus. |
| 08:48.50 | stouse1 | Solet: man it |
| 08:48.54 | karsten | veleno: I'd suggest you try smbclient for troubleshooting. |
| 08:49.10 | veleno | karsten: smbclient works fine. |
| 08:49.24 | veleno | karsten: it reports me all shares i'm expecting to see |
| 08:49.33 | karsten | veleno: Well, that solves one problem ;-) |
| 08:49.35 | stouset | veleno: and none of them work? |
| 08:49.41 | Solet | stouse1: yes wonderful, i've seen this page... what the hell are you suggesting i do? |
| 08:49.47 | ia3264 | aptitude was already installed hmm |
| 08:49.54 | ia3264 | but ive already been using apt-get |
| 08:50.00 | stouset | Solet: you were saying xscreensaver wasn't coming on, no? |
| 08:50.05 | stouset | ia3264: doesn't matter |
| 08:50.07 | karsten | veleno: There's something (file-roller?) that GNOME needs for a lot of its extended filesystem magick. Check for that. |
| 08:50.09 | Solet | *nods* |
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| 08:50.18 | veleno | karsten: oh...now i tried putting smb:// in nautilus url bar, and it worked... |
| 08:50.19 | karsten | ia3264: See bug #299009 |
| 08:50.22 | stouset | Solet: with xscreensaver-command, you can tell it to lock, unlock, etc. |
| 08:50.27 | stouset | Solet: So it helps in debugging. |
| 08:50.28 | ia3264 | how do i see that bug? |
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| 08:50.41 | stouset | ia3264: go to the BTS :-) |
| 08:50.51 | karsten | ia3264: Aptitude's _mostly_ a drop-in replacement for apt-get. I use aptitude. I prefer aptitude. It still bites the hand that feeds it periodically. |
| 08:50.54 | karsten | veleno: That would help. |
| 08:50.54 | ia3264 | ugh i dont know anything :( whats a bts |
| 08:51.03 | stouset | !bts |
| 08:51.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 08:51.05 | karsten | veleno: Suggest you read the Nautilus docs. |
| 08:51.13 | Solet | stouset: that doesnt do shit for me... it works perfectly if i click the botton i have on the panel... the problem is it doesnt come on after idle time |
| 08:51.20 | polok | !socket |
| 08:51.20 | dpkg | it has been said that socket is Normally, it's where your limbs are attached to, as in "I'm going to rip your arm out of the socket." In network speak, a socket is composed of an IP address and a port number. For example, a socket could be "206.119.148.38 port 80." See also TCP/IP and ports. |
| 08:51.29 | stouset | Solet: are you sure it's running? |
| 08:51.29 | polok | !libsocket |
| 08:51.33 | polok | bah |
| 08:51.35 | stouset | Solet: do a ps | grep xscreensaver |
| 08:51.37 | karsten | ia3264: The worst time is the first, frequently aptitude will try to install/uninstall a lot of stuff. |
| 08:51.50 | ia3264 | yikes |
| 08:51.54 | karsten | ia3264: querybts <bugnumber> or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber |
| 08:52.07 | Solet | ok... |
| 08:52.27 | karsten | ia3264: Kill the attempt. Tell it you want to install/remove what ever it's doing the wrong thing to. Then retry your other operation. |
| 08:52.46 | karsten | ia3264: It's recoverable. It's just a bit of a pain when you're not expecting it. |
| 08:52.51 | karsten | ia3264: Sorta blindsides you. |
| 08:53.13 | karsten | ia3264: Anywho, I filed that report. If you see anything like it, please add to it, with as much detail as possible. |
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| 08:53.45 | Solet | ok it still didnt do anything... |
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| 08:53.56 | ia3264 | k |
| 08:55.22 | Solet | when i try to do xscreensaver-command -restart i get the error "xscreensaver window unexpectidly deleted" whats that all about? |
| 08:56.23 | karsten | Solet: Sounds like it's all about xscreensaver unexpectedly deleting. |
| 08:56.32 | karsten | Solet: If there's no other issues, ignore. |
| 08:57.26 | Solet | karsten: but there is another issue... a big one, xscreensaver wont come on after its timeout value |
| 08:57.48 | Solet | it will only come on if i manually activate it |
| 08:57.51 | karsten | Solet: OK. |
| 08:57.56 | karsten | Solet: I'll change my advice. |
| 08:58.01 | karsten | Solet: Don't ignore. |
| 08:58.08 | stouset | karsten: Good advice. |
| 08:58.21 | karsten | Solet: You might try running xscreensaver under 'strace' and try replicating the bug. |
| 08:58.27 | polok | ok, mplayer has completely frozen on me, at the moment, all I can hear in my speakers (which has been doing this for the past hour) is a bus crashing into a wall of television sets |
| 08:58.36 | polok | how can I fix this without restarting? |
| 08:58.40 | karsten | Solet: Better yet, tee the output, saves wearing your pencil down to stubs. |
| 08:58.44 | polok | I've tried to kill the process |
| 08:58.47 | polok | it's not dying |
| 08:58.58 | karsten | polok: kill -9 ? |
| 08:59.09 | polok | tried |
| 08:59.19 | polok | it still refuses to die :( |
| 08:59.24 | karsten | polok: Got pstree? |
| 08:59.34 | karsten | polok: Try finding its parent process, kill that. |
| 08:59.41 | Solet | karsten: how??? |
| 08:59.53 | karsten | polok: also 'lsof' see if you can find what it's got open. |
| 09:00.05 | polok | karsten: I killed the parent process, it still hasn't died |
| 09:00.07 | karsten | Solet: strace <command> 2>&1 | tee strace.out |
| 09:00.08 | polok | the parent is dead |
| 09:00.12 | polok | the child is now |
| 09:00.13 | polok | *not |
| 09:00.20 | karsten | polok: OK. |
| 09:00.28 | karsten | polok: Restart X? |
| 09:00.42 | polok | I'll give that a try |
| 09:01.09 | Solet | holy jesus christ... |
| 09:02.23 | karsten | Solet: Yeah, it's verbose. |
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| 09:02.30 | rixth | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.30 | karsten | Solet: You only need the bit at the end. |
| 09:02.33 | polok | hahahaha |
| 09:02.38 | karsten | Solet: See if you can replicate the kill. |
| 09:02.44 | polok | I can still hear the bus crashing into the wall of televisions |
| 09:02.47 | polok | -_- |
| 09:03.22 | karsten | polok: This probably won't work, but try unloading & reloading your audio drivers. |
| 09:03.40 | karsten | polok: Basically, resetting your soundcard. I think it will complain about being in use. |
| 09:04.17 | Solet | karsten: are you talking about close(4)??? |
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| 09:04.25 | Solet | what do you mean by replicate the kill? |
| 09:05.08 | edward__ | I get this error is i try to use su - to su to root : http://zooi.d00s.nl/error.txt |
| 09:05.14 | edward__ | who can help me out... ? |
| 09:05.34 | polok | karsten: yeah, I got an evil fatal |
| 09:05.37 | polok | I'll reboot |
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| 09:05.47 | polok | thanks though :D |
| 09:07.11 | karsten | Solet: Did it crash? |
| 09:07.33 | Solet | ummmmm karsten: looking through that file... its trying to access(*/home/solet/en/Xscreensaver",blah blah) then saying no such file |
| 09:07.44 | Solet | did what crash? |
| 09:07.45 | karsten | Solet: Scan the last 100 lines or so of logged output. You're looking for error messages. Should be something like ER... |
| 09:08.02 | edward__ | noone know how to fix that error... ? |
| 09:08.02 | karsten | Solet: 'touch /home/solet/en/Xscreensaver' |
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| 09:08.28 | karsten | Solet: ...give it its file. See if that helps. |
| 09:08.51 | Solet | but there are a bunch of them |
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| 09:09.12 | Solet | why is it looking for it there? thats rediculous |
| 09:09.31 | karsten | !tell Solet about paster |
| 09:09.34 | ztonzy | any wings3d maintainer here for the repositries ? ( I use ubuntu/kubuntu) the maintainer has a debian.org mail address |
| 09:09.38 | karsten | Solet: Dump ~200 lines there. |
| 09:10.04 | karsten | ztonzy: Then email the maintainer. |
| 09:10.06 | peterS | ztonzy: I don't remember seeing a brent fulgham on irc |
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| 09:10.30 | karsten | edward__: That's a novel error. I haven't seen anything like it. |
| 09:10.32 | ztonzy | karsten, yes I should... :) |
| 09:10.59 | ztonzy | peterS, aah....ever ? |
| 09:11.17 | karsten | edward__: What kernel, what arch? |
| 09:11.34 | peterS | ztonzy: I don't know everyone's real name on irc. I look people up sometimes, but not always. but I don't remember seeing a brent fulgham. |
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| 09:11.52 | stouset | edward__: are you running experimental? |
| 09:12.06 | ztonzy | peterS, ah ok.... |
| 09:12.13 | buu | Anyone have an idea why my the hell my keys stopped repeating? |
| 09:12.16 | karsten | edward__: Suggest you Google that error. |
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| 09:12.26 | ztonzy | peterS, I got even a crash when I do: 'wings3d -v' |
| 09:12.30 | karsten | buu: man kbdrate |
| 09:12.41 | stouset | edward__: there are evidently some problems with the experimental glibc |
| 09:12.56 | stouset | edward__: if you're using experimental (perhaps for GNOME 2.10), this could be the source of your problem. |
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| 09:13.07 | ztonzy | peterS, yay....you got a swedish name...US citizen ? |
| 09:13.15 | stouset | buu: hit them repeatedly? :-) |
| 09:13.22 | peterS | ztonzy: yes. 100 years ago my ancestors lived in Sweden |
| 09:13.39 | ztonzy | peterS, cool :) I am swedish |
| 09:13.39 | paster | "Solet" at 68.102.139.232 pasted "Xscreensaver broke" (182 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/70 |
| 09:13.59 | ztonzy | peterS, just a ' s ' in your lastname then it looks swedish |
| 09:14.01 | buu | karsten: kbdrate does nothing |
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| 09:14.17 | peterS | ztonzy: heh, right |
| 09:14.22 | buu | I run it, it says it set crap |
| 09:14.24 | buu | Nothing changes. |
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| 09:14.51 | ztonzy | peterS, do you have wings3d there ? works for debian or is just Ubuntu "hoary" that sucks ? |
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| 09:15.35 | peterS | ztonzy: oh, you're talking about hoary? you won't get much help in this channel. anyway, I don't use wings3d, I have no idea what it does even |
| 09:15.44 | ztonzy | what is the other pastebin site...starts with ra.... |
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| 09:16.18 | ztonzy | peterS, I asked in #ubuntu and #kubuntu but no answere or reply :( |
| 09:16.19 | buu | ztonzy: There are roughly 10,000 websites you can "paste" to |
| 09:16.27 | buu | But there is only one "pastebin" |
| 09:16.27 | ztonzy | buu, ;) |
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| 09:16.37 | buu | or two |
| 09:16.50 | ztonzy | buu, ah yah...but I mean a similar that starts with ra... |
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| 09:16.54 | buu | rafb |
| 09:16.55 | peterS | ztonzy: well, if there are any people here who use wings3d maybe you'll get some help. I'm not one of them though |
| 09:16.58 | buu | That one sucks though |
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| 09:17.05 | buu | the urls are like 300 characters long. It's silly. |
| 09:17.27 | ztonzy | peterS, only problem is that it crashes at start time |
| 09:17.33 | peterS | ztonzy: note that buu is prejudiced against long urls because he doesn't have cut/paste from irc. so he types these things in by hand |
| 09:17.44 | Solet | karsten: any ideas? |
| 09:18.01 | ztonzy | peterS, ok |
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| 09:18.04 | buu | peterS: Now my freaking keyboard repeat |
| 09:18.10 | ztonzy | buu, heh |
| 09:18.20 | peterS | ztonzy: I'm not crazy about things written in strange languages like haskell, ocaml or (in this case) erlang (: |
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| 09:18.55 | ztonzy | peterS, :P |
| 09:18.57 | ztonzy | me neither |
| 09:19.23 | peterS | buu: if I knew how to help you I would. you were playing with setkey, maybe you have some idea if that's what got you into this mess or not? |
| 09:19.56 | buu | peterS: I just ran showkey. I hold down say 'a' |
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| 09:20.01 | buu | It shows the repeats. |
| 09:20.11 | peterS | buu: the non-repeating - is this in linux console or in X or both? |
| 09:20.16 | ziad | hi guys, when I run conf for privoxy, I get the following: debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/FrontEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7.) |
| 09:20.16 | ziad | debconf: falling back to frontend: Dialog |
| 09:20.21 | ziad | any ideas ? |
| 09:20.30 | buu | peterS: Hrm, it's an X term emulator.. |
| 09:21.00 | buu | Ahh.. it repeats fine in the linux console. |
| 09:21.23 | buu | ziad: install Qt |
| 09:21.33 | peterS | buu: so does 'xev' show repeats? |
| 09:21.39 | war- | > Old: libkdepim1-3.3.1-3 -> New: libkdepim1-3.3.2-3 <- is there anyway to see the update (debian's changelog) of the differences between these two packages? |
| 09:21.52 | peterS | buu: that'll tell you whether it's something weird with your term, or a general X thing |
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| 09:22.49 | buu | gah |
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| 09:22.55 | buu | xev doesn't do anything |
| 09:23.30 | rixth | Does anyone know what happened to the Austrlian Sourceforge mirror? |
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| 09:24.21 | buu | peterS: If I hold down the button it just shows a keypress and a keyrelease event |
| 09:24.23 | peterS | buu: what do you mean by 'doesn't do anything'? doesn't show keypress / keyrelease events at all? |
| 09:24.23 | edward__ | karsten, well.. itjs just testing not exper. |
| 09:24.27 | peterS | ahh |
| 09:24.34 | edward__ | karsten, just i386 |
| 09:24.34 | buu | peterS: I didn't realize xev wrote text in to the console =] |
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| 09:24.49 | buu | peterS: ratpoison fullscreened xev and confused me. |
| 09:25.03 | peterS | heh |
| 09:25.07 | peterS | buu: so, something xmodmap- or xkbsel-related might fix it |
| 09:25.14 | buu | um |
| 09:25.21 | ziad | buu: do you know the exact package name for it ? |
| 09:25.41 | trentbuck | rixth: what, the Optus one? |
| 09:25.47 | buu | ziad: For Qt.pm? Who knows. Ask cpan |
| 09:26.14 | ziad | buu ait thanks |
| 09:26.17 | Solet | karsten: have you figured out anything on my xscreensaver? |
| 09:26.23 | peterS | ziad: apt-cache search libqt perl |
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| 09:26.55 | liable | Solet: hes gone |
| 09:27.10 | Solet | hrm... :( |
| 09:27.18 | Solet | oh well fuckit i'll fight it more tomorrow |
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| 09:30.24 | peterS | "yyz.us" is a funny domain name. YYZ, as everyone knows (everyone who has heard of YYZ at all), is in .ca |
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| 09:31.28 | sZZ | How do i fix so more than one program can use my soundcard and send out sound.... I installed alsa. |
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| 09:31.55 | ia3264 | is gnu pronouced 'new' or 'ganew' |
| 09:31.59 | liable | sZZ: dmix |
| 09:32.06 | peterS | ia3264: ganoo |
| 09:32.21 | buu | It's pronounced "jesus" |
| 09:32.27 | sZZ | liable, ? |
| 09:32.43 | ia3264 | thought it was like gnaw :) |
| 09:33.25 | liable | sZZ: http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin |
| 09:34.29 | Gnea | buu: gee-zus or hey-seuss? :) |
| 09:34.53 | edward__ | how can I check whe libc6 i have installed... ? |
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| 09:35.23 | sZZ | liable, are there no other way than going thrue all thoose steps? |
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| 09:35.46 | sayon1 | is there any good ftp to add on ;y source.list? thanks |
| 09:36.04 | sayon1 | with software on it ect? |
| 09:36.10 | liable | sZZ: dunno, have never bothered with it, sorry |
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| 09:36.59 | Gnea | edward__: apt-cache show `dpkg -S /lib/libc.so.6 | awk '{print $1}' | sed -e 's/\://g'` | grep Version |
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| 09:37.42 | Gnea | edward__: if more than one Version shows up then there's probably an upgrade available |
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| 09:38.23 | sayon1 | is debian sarge any good? |
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| 09:38.31 | peterS | sayon1: yes |
| 09:38.38 | sayon1 | can i get it on dvd so;where |
| 09:38.45 | Gnea | sayon1: of course it is |
| 09:38.49 | peterS | !d-i sayon1 |
| 09:38.50 | dpkg | sayon1, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:38.54 | sayon1 | do you a ftp for it |
| 09:39.02 | Gnea | there's a webpage |
| 09:39.04 | Gnea | go read it |
| 09:39.08 | sayon1 | ok |
| 09:39.17 | sayon1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:39.17 | dpkg | well, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
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| 09:39.21 | jhaig | I'm installing Debian 3.0 (r5) from a CD. How can I set the root partition to be something other than ext2? |
| 09:39.41 | McKillroy | Where do all the stupid errors come from ? I compiled a monolithic kernel with raid and lvm and i2c and all hardware support - everything needed. Then I wondered why it did not work --> forgot filesystem support ! WHY DO ALL THESE STUPID ERRORS HAPPEN ??? |
| 09:39.47 | ia3264 | wont it be ext3 |
| 09:39.51 | caphuso | jhaig: install with the 2.4 kernel |
| 09:39.59 | Gnea | jhaig: use bf24 |
| 09:40.00 | veleno | smbclient reports all shares in a smb server, but nautilus doesn't report them anymore (it worked only once for no reason). any suggestion ? |
| 09:40.10 | jhaig | Thanks. Is that an option from the boot prompt? |
| 09:40.20 | buu | Waah, why is linux so complicated. |
| 09:40.25 | Gnea | veleno: nautilus sucks. |
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| 09:40.38 | Gnea | Waah, why can't you grow up. |
| 09:40.50 | ia3264 | my guess is because its so powerful/flexible and open |
| 09:40.56 | veleno | Gnea: any other graphical file manager in gnome able to do that ? |
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| 09:41.07 | jhaig | buu: To make those of us who know it feel superior! ;-) |
| 09:41.16 | Rick-- | hi.. is there anyth i have to do to install debian on SATA ? |
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| 09:41.19 | peterS | buu: did you do anything to XFree86 such as xmodmap or xkbsel or xkbcomp, to mess with keyboard modes? |
| 09:41.28 | Gnea | Rick--: 2.6 |
| 09:41.41 | Rick-- | ermm.. prob 2.4 kernel |
| 09:41.54 | Rick-- | to install.. just the normal way of installing on IDE ? |
| 09:42.02 | Gnea | veleno: hrm nafaik, rox perhaps? |
| 09:42.20 | Gnea | Rick--: no, you need to use the 2.6 option |
| 09:42.22 | peterS | Rick--: you need a kernel that knows about your SATA chip. the 2.4 ones mainly don't, although a few 2.4 kernels know about a few SATA chips |
| 09:42.31 | Gnea | it simply isn't rock solid under 2.4 |
| 09:42.35 | buu | peterS: Not that I recall. I just restarted x, it work snow. |
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| 09:42.44 | Rick-- | ok.. |
| 09:42.48 | peterS | buu: oh well. as long as you got it working, I guess. |
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| 09:42.50 | Rick-- | on boot what do i do ? |
| 09:43.03 | peterS | Rick--: hit F3 for instructions on booting into the 2.6 kernel |
| 09:43.07 | Gnea | that all depends what branch you're using |
| 09:43.07 | Rick-- | bf24 is for 2.4 so, is it bf26? |
| 09:43.14 | Rick-- | oohh.. ok then |
| 09:43.15 | Rick-- | thanx |
| 09:43.22 | peterS | Rick--: debian 3.0 doesn't have a bf26, no. you need debian 3.1 (not yet released) |
| 09:43.29 | buu | peterS: Yeah, stupid unstable linux, having to restart it all the time. |
| 09:43.45 | peterS | Rick--: for debian 3.1, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:43.48 | Gnea | buu: so stupid it makes the others smart |
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| 09:44.07 | peterS | Gnea: his keys stopped repeating, in X, for no discernable reason. wouldn't you agree that that's a bit unusual? |
| 09:44.17 | peterS | Gnea: I also happen to know that buu isn't generally a moron |
| 09:44.19 | Rick-- | recomended on server |
| 09:44.37 | Gnea | peterS: i wasn't saying he's stupid, just that his comments are |
| 09:44.48 | Gnea | that is odd, though |
| 09:44.56 | Gnea | i've seen that happen before... |
| 09:45.00 | Gnea | where the system still works |
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| 09:45.08 | Gnea | but the keyboard interface simply vanishes |
| 09:45.13 | peterS | Gnea: not a linux problem, they repeated on the linux console. somehow the XFree86 keyboard driver managed to get itself into a state, I guess |
| 09:45.16 | ia3264 | if i only want to use regex/parsing for linux commands should i stick to awk/grep/sed or is perl still a better alternative to learn (even if im never writing scripts with it) |
| 09:45.19 | Gnea | kernel upgrade fixed that right quick |
| 09:45.39 | sayon1 | finaly nero made a version for linux |
| 09:45.44 | sayon1 | just download it :P |
| 09:45.49 | Gnea | perhaps there's a piece of metal shard on the usb or ps2 connector |
| 09:45.50 | peterS | ia3264: I prefer perl regexes, they're easier to work with than the regex language variants used by grep, awk and sed |
| 09:46.12 | peterS | ia3264: but it *is* nice to know both |
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| 09:46.51 | McKillroy | How exact are the temperature sensors in general ? ksensors shows me 80 C for an Athlon MP CPU from the very beginning, even if not under load. I object it to show a too high value. |
| 09:47.05 | sayon1 | i downloaded debian allready when i install it it ask me workstastion or server ect |
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| 09:47.16 | debianuser | how to conigure mouse on debian ? |
| 09:47.17 | caphuso | McKillroy: you probably need to adjust /etc/sensors.conf |
| 09:47.28 | debianuser | when i startx under debian |
| 09:47.33 | debianuser | it starts , then sends signal 11 |
| 09:47.34 | peterS | debianuser: PS/2 mouse or USB? what kernel version (2.2, 2.4, or 2.6)? |
| 09:47.38 | debianuser | it crashes |
| 09:47.47 | Gnea | McKillroy: depends how well the i2c supports the chipset on your particular motherboard and how well sensors.conf needs to be tweaked |
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| 09:47.51 | debianuser | PS2 + kernel 2.2 |
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| 09:48.00 | deadcat | debianuser: you need newer kernel |
| 09:48.07 | McKillroy | Gnea, caphuso: So in the end its an arbitrary value ? |
| 09:48.09 | sayon1 | debianuser: probaly you need to configure youre monitor goo |
| 09:48.15 | debianuser | from where to download the latest kernel ? |
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| 09:48.35 | caphuso | McKillroy: no, it's not arbitrary |
| 09:48.48 | Rick-- | peterS: is 3.1 recomended for serverplatforms ? |
| 09:48.58 | debianuser | yea |
| 09:49.06 | Gnea | McKillroy: basically - i've seen ranges that are way out of wack and simply not realistic - after some google digging and thread research it usually boiled down to necessary changes in the conf file and a reload/restart |
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| 09:49.19 | debianuser | how to configure monitor under debian ? |
| 09:49.22 | debianuser | am an old slackware user |
| 09:49.25 | Gnea | McKillroy: it broke down to a translation issue |
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| 09:49.27 | peterS | Rick--: I'd use it for server platforms. it's still something of a moving target so maybe not suitable for everyone |
| 09:49.28 | McKillroy | Gnea, caphuso: Thank you ! |
| 09:49.32 | debianuser | and today i installed deiban , but found commands totally changed |
| 09:49.41 | debianuser | so , i wanna get a lill popular with debian |
| 09:50.20 | Rick-- | peterS: ok... |
| 09:50.29 | Rick-- | when is it due for full release |
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| 09:50.44 | peterS | Rick--: November 2003. the schedule has slipped just a bit since then |
| 09:50.52 | nagual | hehe |
| 09:50.55 | Anders1 | ;) |
| 09:50.59 | Rick-- | wahhaha |
| 09:51.03 | Gnea | debianuser: usually dpkg takes care of that (when you apt-get install something it'll go into configure-mode at some point in the install, which, btw, you can do again with dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 09:51.06 | Rick-- | just abit ? |
| 09:51.07 | Rick-- | lol |
| 09:51.16 | nagual | yea, theres something debian can learn from open/freebsd. |
| 09:51.30 | nagual | :) |
| 09:51.50 | Gnea | i think someone did that... |
| 09:51.51 | Anders1 | i once used debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 09:52.00 | Gnea | yeah, that was it |
| 09:52.03 | Anders1 | but really.. its just like linux |
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| 09:52.18 | amorphix | hi guys |
| 09:52.20 | Gnea | Anders1: no way, the kernel operators are totally different |
| 09:52.26 | Anders1 | yes, but the userland :) |
| 09:52.28 | xoz | because other than the kernel, both use GNU |
| 09:52.30 | Mortalman | Ok, "apt-get remove xserver-xfree86" causes "frontend" to launch and consume all my memory wich causes the kernel to kill it. Any info on this? |
| 09:52.43 | Mortalman | It's a fresh install. |
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| 09:53.21 | Gnea | Anders1: yeah but that doesn't matter! if the kernel makes it better then the userland is simply going to be better, otherwise it falls into despair and chaos:) |
| 09:53.36 | Anders1 | Gnea, when i used it it was a bit chaotic.. |
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| 09:53.50 | Anders1 | not much packages ported, etc |
| 09:53.58 | Anders1 | slow gnuab apt source |
| 09:54.09 | Gnea | so it was, once again, a translation issue. |
| 09:55.27 | amorphix | i have a somewhat unusual question |
| 09:55.37 | Gnea | those are the best |
| 09:55.40 | amorphix | hehe |
| 09:55.44 | amorphix | here goes... |
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| 09:55.58 | nayyares | hi folks |
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| 09:56.24 | amorphix | i was wondering how much power saving i would get from my laptop if i removed the LCD, the HDD, the fan, and put in a compact flash or something for storage |
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| 09:56.34 | amorphix | i want to try and power the motherboard from a solar panel |
| 09:56.37 | nayyares | is there any option available other then GLADE for GUI'S designing? |
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| 09:56.48 | Mortalman | amorphix: why? |
| 09:57.09 | amorphix | shrugs becuz im a geek and i wanna see how long the battery will last |
| 09:57.30 | Mortalman | Sounds like a sweet idea. |
| 09:57.30 | McKillroy | What can be the reason if a kernel with compiled in raid1 and ext2/ext3 support panics and cannot find a root filesystem on a raid1 ? The standard kernel can. |
| 09:57.30 | trentbuck | nayyares: for what toolkit? |
| 09:57.32 | Int | --------> http://jogar.pt.to <------------------- |
| 09:57.40 | Anders1 | ... |
| 09:57.42 | Int | --------> http://jogar.pt.to <------------------- |
| 09:57.43 | amorphix | oh here we go |
| 09:57.44 | ildegar | niiice |
| 09:57.49 | Gnea | !ops Int |
| 09:57.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Int |
| 09:57.50 | rixth | !ops please remove Int |
| 09:57.51 | peterS | !ops Int is having a little too much fun |
| 09:57.51 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove Int |
| 09:57.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Int is having a little too much fun |
| 09:57.53 | nayyares | trentbuck: php-gtk |
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| 09:58.07 | Int | --------> http://jogar.pt.to <------------------- |
| 09:58.09 | rixth | !ops please remove * |
| 09:58.10 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: please remove * |
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| 09:58.21 | trentbuck | nayyares: don't think so. |
| 09:58.26 | peterS | thanks, caphuso |
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| 09:58.36 | nagual | he´s still here |
| 09:58.37 | caphuso | stupid lag |
| 09:58.43 | Gnea | yeah |
| 09:58.48 | Mortalman | that was awesome. |
| 09:58.48 | peterS | nagual: he rejoined. but he can't speak, so that's just as good |
| 09:58.57 | amorphix | what uses the most power in a laptop, the LCD or the HDD? |
| 09:59.09 | Mortalman | LCD by a lot. |
| 09:59.12 | amorphix | woah |
| 09:59.13 | deadcat | amorphix: the keyboard |
| 09:59.24 | amorphix | deadcat serious? |
| 09:59.34 | deadcat | yes |
| 09:59.35 | debianuser | how to configure mouse under debian ? :( |
| 09:59.36 | amorphix | i never considered the keyboard |
| 09:59.41 | amorphix | i can remove that |
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| 09:59.43 | debianuser | i have errors under debian , and i don't know how to solve it |
| 09:59.48 | Gnea | lol |
| 09:59.54 | debianuser | when i startx , it don't work |
| 09:59.57 | nagual | ah¨ok |
| 09:59.59 | deadcat | debianuser: get a recent kernel |
| 10:00.01 | rixth | What do you guys think of Thunderbird? I quite like Gmail's web interface though.. |
| 10:00.05 | debianuser | from where ? |
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| 10:00.12 | deadcat | rixth: then use it |
| 10:00.13 | Gnea | debianuser: same as slackware, really |
| 10:00.15 | caphuso | oh, great, 9 lines of precious terminalspace by Int's stupid paste vs. 12 lines of people calling for ops |
| 10:00.20 | Gnea | debianuser: ps2 or usb? |
| 10:00.22 | peterS | debianuser: I asked you some questions about that earlier. if you answered them you didn't put my nick on them so I didn't notice. if you didn't answer them, I'm through trying to help you |
| 10:00.29 | amorphix | do you think, if the keyboard, hdd, lcd, fan all use about 90% of the battery power, and it lasts 2 hrs normally, it might be possible to extend battery life to summat like upto 20 hrs? |
| 10:00.29 | debianuser | ps2 |
| 10:00.34 | debianuser | and am under kernel 2.2 |
| 10:00.36 | rixth | deadcat, is it any good? I see Int is spamming #ubuntu also |
| 10:00.44 | debianuser | in slackware i use mouseconfig bro |
| 10:00.48 | deadcat | rixth: i dont know. |
| 10:00.49 | debianuser | but , in debian , am still newbie ;) |
| 10:00.50 | Gnea | do you have GPM installed/running? |
| 10:01.00 | debianuser | yea |
| 10:01.05 | Gnea | debianuser: i used slackware 7 years ago, i know ;) |
| 10:01.14 | liable | amorphix: but what can you do with it? |
| 10:01.17 | peterS | debianuser: what type of mouse? now you've said it's connected to the PS/2 port |
| 10:01.21 | Mortalman | amorphix: Sounds logical. Try it and let me know. |
| 10:01.24 | debianuser | yup |
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| 10:01.28 | debianuser | and i wanna reconfigure it again |
| 10:01.31 | amorphix | liable hook it up to the net and run a webserver eh |
| 10:01.35 | debianuser | to make sure it's Set to PS2 |
| 10:01.36 | peterS | 'yup' is not a useful answer. what type of mouse? |
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| 10:01.44 | liable | amorphix: ah |
| 10:01.45 | debianuser | cause i think i messed while installation |
| 10:01.48 | Gnea | debianuser: in console, cat /dev/psaux and move the mouse around, do you see crap appear ont he screen when you do? |
| 10:02.06 | peterS | Gnea: 'cat' is bad advice. tell him to 'od' or something. won't mess up the terminal |
| 10:02.11 | amorphix | Mortalman: ive stripped down the laptop in preparation, just need a solar panel and a multimeter to monitor it |
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| 10:02.23 | Gnea | peterS: fuck the terminal, that's fixable :) |
| 10:02.37 | Gnea | LOL |
| 10:02.40 | peterS | Gnea: oh now you've gone and done it. you made him kill his client |
| 10:02.48 | Gnea | woops |
| 10:02.53 | Gnea | ok so that was a bad move |
| 10:02.58 | amorphix | how much power does network card use up? |
| 10:03.04 | amorphix | would it be significant drain? |
| 10:03.10 | amorphix | (pcmcia) |
| 10:03.29 | peterS | * Gnea has quit: connection reset by peerS |
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| 10:03.41 | Gnea | hahaha |
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| 10:04.07 | McKillroy | What can be the reason if a kernel with compiled in raid1 and ext2/ext3 support panics and cannot find a root (including/boot) ext3 filesystem on a raid1 while the standard kernel has no problems ? |
| 10:04.12 | Mortalman | amorphix: not sure about pcmcia, shouldn't be too much. |
| 10:04.17 | amorphix | cool |
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| 10:04.37 | peterS | McKillroy: (a) you don't have raid autostart compiled in, or (b) the partitions aren't type 0xFD |
| 10:04.38 | amorphix | they do generate alot of heat tho |
| 10:04.44 | Gnea | heh, v120t, neat phone |
| 10:04.55 | v120t | :) |
| 10:05.13 | Mortalman | amorphix: Do they? Or are they just not ventilated well? |
| 10:05.24 | amorphix | since the laptop has no fan now im worried it might overheat so will need to use some good heatsinks, but as it's got no housing it will get plenty of air |
| 10:05.53 | amorphix | Mortalman: well my pcmcia gets very hot after prolonged use, i dunno if thats just due to being inside the machine or generated itself |
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| 10:07.34 | Mortalman | nice |
| 10:07.52 | amorphix | experiments in alternative energy eh |
| 10:07.53 | Mortalman-afk | brb, gotta drop off a friend. |
| 10:07.56 | amorphix | ok |
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| 10:08.26 | kdX | hello my gnome says im running XFree 4.3.0 and there are some problems with it, and yes there are i cant use some keys on my keyboard because there are some problems with the keyboard lang, BUT my question is now how do i upgrade to a newer version im running testing in apt-source and on upgrade it doesnt install new xfree |
| 10:08.30 | peterS | amorphix: this 'my web server is smaller than your web server' thing is so 1998. once they got a web server into a matchbox most of the world stopped caring (: |
| 10:08.41 | war- | When doing apt-get upgrade, it upgrades pkg from 1.0-1 to 1.0-2, does Debian document the changes between 1.0-1 to 1.0-2 somewhere or are they hidden? =o |
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| 10:08.57 | amorphix | peterS: well size isnt what im interested in, alternative energy is |
| 10:09.02 | peterS | war-: /usr/share/doc/packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 10:09.04 | deadcat | war-: /usr/share/doc? |
| 10:09.09 | amorphix | a PDA uses less energy than a laptop |
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| 10:09.46 | Guerin | amorphix: and can do less. What's your point? |
| 10:09.47 | sayon1 | anyone use ldvd |
| 10:09.49 | peterS | amorphix: Dean Gaudet, apache hacker: "remember most websites can be served fine off an anemic 486/33 with one ethernet port tied behind its back while doing a three legged race with a 6502 up a hill in san francisco during el nino." |
| 10:09.51 | war- | k checking |
| 10:09.52 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 10:09.53 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
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| 10:09.55 | peterS | amorphix: (seen on the linux-kernel list a few years ago) |
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| 10:10.29 | kdX | How do i upgrade from Xfree4.3.0 to a newer version? im running testing and there are now new updates for that... |
| 10:10.36 | peterS | amorphix: that quote would seem to justify using a PDA for your httpd |
| 10:10.42 | war- | petemc: is there anyway to extract the 'updates' from the previous upgrade to the newer version or is it easier to just write a script to do it? |
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| 10:10.46 | amorphix | yeah |
| 10:10.50 | peterS | kdX: more to the point, why? what do you want from your X server that you do not already have? |
| 10:11.00 | amorphix | well im gonna do my experiment and post the results |
| 10:11.09 | peterS | war-: please explain what you mean |
| 10:11.20 | war- | petemc: 1 sec |
| 10:11.24 | McKillroy | peterS: The partitions are AutoRaid (0xfd) - but - I never saw a raid autostart in menuconfig ... did i overlook it or is it a kernel boot parameter ? |
| 10:11.46 | war- | peterS: .. |
| 10:11.48 | kdX | peterS, my keyboard lang in gnome is fucked some keywords doesnt work and when i try to install a new lang to keyboard is says it couldnt it complains that there are a big problem in Xfree4.3.0 and it tells me to upgrade |
| 10:11.48 | war- | peterS: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/0VzqP569.html |
| 10:11.50 | peterS | McKillroy: it's an option in menuconfig somewhere. hold on a sec, let me find it. what kernel version? |
| 10:11.53 | viyyer | hi why doesn't my xchat not show devanagari script ???? ??? |
| 10:11.56 | McKillroy | 2.6.8 |
| 10:11.57 | war- | peterS: is there a way to output what has changed in each version? |
| 10:12.02 | war- | peterS: see what I am trying to do? |
| 10:12.02 | McKillroy | peterS: 2.6.8 |
| 10:12.13 | viyyer | I have sarge .. xchat |
| 10:12.32 | peterS | viyyer: you have to install devanagari fonts for one thing |
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| 10:13.01 | viyyer | peterS, I have devanagari fonts installed.. rendering work fine with gaim |
| 10:13.16 | peterS | viyyer: I don't know then. I don't speak any Indian languages |
| 10:13.17 | viyyer | but not with xchat |
| 10:13.22 | war- | peterS: is there a program which will show me all the updates for each ? |
| 10:13.27 | war- | peterS: ie, what changed |
| 10:13.39 | peterS | war-: hold on, I'm trying to answer about 3 questions on this channel. scroll up a bit if you don't believe me |
| 10:13.50 | kdX | peterS, my keyboard lang in gnome is fucked some keywords doesnt work and when i try to install a new lang to keyboard is says it couldnt it complains that there are a big problem in Xfree4.3.0 and it tells me to upgrade |
| 10:13.51 | viyyer | peterS, yeah. !! was just curious. where is the problem ? |
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| 10:14.20 | peterS | viyyer: not all scripts are equally easy to display. devanagari might have complications I don't know about. arabic and japanese certainly do |
| 10:15.40 | peterS | McKillroy: huh, I could have sworn there was an option for autostart. I do know the kernel developers don't particularly care for kernel raid autostart. it *may* have been removed entirely |
| 10:16.12 | tzafrir_laptop | XFree 4.3's keyboard handling has one major problem for me: |
| 10:16.27 | kdX | tzafrir_laptop, me too |
| 10:16.29 | peterS | McKillroy: best bet is probably to run mkinitrd which will create an initrd to run 'mdadm' to start your raid partition before mounting the root filesystem. you'll have to add the initrd to lilo.conf or grub/menu.lst |
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| 10:16.39 | kdX | How do i upgrade from Xfree4.3.0 to a newer version? im running testing and there are now new updates for that... |
| 10:16.54 | kdX | should i switch to unstable or? |
| 10:17.03 | tzafrir_laptop | ctrl-a and such are not handled when the keyboard group is not us |
| 10:17.05 | Guerin | kdX: no |
| 10:17.19 | kdX | Guerin, than how do i get it upgraded thrue apt-get |
| 10:17.20 | peterS | war-: you may be interested in the 'apt-listchanges' package |
| 10:17.25 | Guerin | kdX: what makes you think your language problems are X's fault? |
| 10:17.28 | war- | peterS: k, thx, checking it now |
| 10:17.30 | Guerin | kdX: you don't. |
| 10:17.34 | kdX | Guerin, because it SAYS it is! |
| 10:17.35 | tzafrir_laptop | kbX, /msg dpkg oxrg |
| 10:17.40 | Guerin | kdX: WHAT says it is? |
| 10:17.44 | tzafrir_laptop | but this is not a simple process |
| 10:17.52 | kdX | Guerin, GNOME SAYS that Xfree4.3.0 has the problem! |
| 10:17.53 | peterS | war-: or you can use aptitude in full-screen mode - if you hit 'C' it will download the changelog file for the package you've got selected, so you can view it |
| 10:18.07 | tzafrir_laptop | kdX, which gnome exactly |
| 10:18.09 | tzafrir_laptop | ? |
| 10:18.16 | war- | peters, nice, but the purpose is to add this to a script, thanks |
| 10:18.25 | Guerin | kdX: by what means do you come across this information? from gnome.org? from some program in gnome? some sjhort person in your back garden? |
| 10:18.32 | peterS | war-: I think apt-listchanges is where you want to start, then. I haven't tried it myself. |
| 10:18.43 | Guerin | kdX: you need to be specific. |
| 10:18.50 | kdX | Guerin, from the keyboard handler in gnome when i try to install a new lang to the keyboard setup |
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| 10:19.06 | peterS | war-: both apt-listchanges and aptitude download these things from a specific HTTP site |
| 10:19.12 | tzafrir_laptop | kdX, do you use the default version of gnome? |
| 10:19.20 | kdX | yes |
| 10:19.52 | Guerin | kdX: check the BTS; file a bug if there's not one already. I'm very skeptical about this one. |
| 10:19.59 | kdX | Guerin, it says something about XKB-Confiugrations too |
| 10:20.47 | kdX | Guerin, it says there are some problems with the XKB-Configurations and i should try a simpler configuration or upgrade to a newer Xfree version |
| 10:20.52 | kdX | but what is XKB ? |
| 10:20.55 | kdX | i never tuched that.. |
| 10:21.08 | peterS | kdX: XKB is the keyboard mapping module for XFree86 these days |
| 10:21.15 | peterS | kdX: out of curiosity, what language / layout? |
| 10:21.16 | Guerin | kdX: I can't think of a single case where gnome should care about X's language settings |
| 10:21.23 | kdX | peterS: Danish |
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| 10:21.35 | Guerin | just make the change in X and don't use gnome's stupid tools |
| 10:21.40 | peterS | Guerin: it has a keyboard layout applet - presumably that's why it cares |
| 10:21.55 | McKillroy | peterS: Thanks ! I hoped I could get rid of initrd (just dont like it) - but seems I have to use it. |
| 10:22.02 | kdX | Guerin, do you want me to make a screenshot of it? |
| 10:22.21 | Guerin | see, THIS is why gnome is shit. It meddles, and then when it can't figure out something perfectly reasonable, it tells the user that another program is at fault. |
| 10:22.32 | tzafrir_laptop | Guerin, not language settings, keyboard settings. Xfree 4.3 made quite a few changes there. 4.4 fixed some bugs introduced with those changes. |
| 10:22.35 | Guerin | kdX: no. |
| 10:22.48 | peterS | McKillroy: I think so. I'm told that kernel raid autostart is unreliable because the algorithm it uses is stupid. maybe that's what's biting you. I asked the guy at the time *why* the kernel scanning didn't do the same clever thing mdadm did, he said it was historical and nobody'd gotten around to fixing it |
| 10:22.48 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: i know. |
| 10:22.52 | kdX | peterS, do you have any idea what i can do? |
| 10:23.09 | Guerin | tzafrir_laptop: i'd be very surprised if those fixes weren't merged into .dfsg |
| 10:23.11 | kdX | tzafrir_laptop, how can i upgrade to 4.4 via apt-get? than.. if that fixes the problem |
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| 10:23.27 | Guerin | you can't - debian can't distribute it. |
| 10:23.45 | kdX | meaning ill have to compile it? |
| 10:23.55 | peterS | kdX: you can't. nobody packaged xfree86 4.4 for debian, for legal / political reasons. as Guerin said, though, debian's XFree86 4.3 is quite heavily patched with bugfixes |
| 10:24.00 | Guerin | kdX: are you SURE it's X's fault, and not gnome? |
| 10:24.31 | peterS | Guerin: US$3 says gnome is doing a dumb version match on XFree86 and assuming it's got all the bugs upstream 4.3.0 has (: |
| 10:24.36 | kdX | how the hell could i be sure about that? GNOME tells ME its the XKB configurations... |
| 10:24.38 | kdX | i belive that? |
| 10:24.43 | Guerin | peterS: exactly what I'm thinking. |
| 10:25.15 | Guerin | kdX: configure your keyboard in X, and see if it works without using the braindead gnome tools. |
| 10:25.24 | peterS | kdX: not an easy thing to answer. we don't use the da_DK keyboard layout so we don't know where the bug might lie |
| 10:25.26 | tzafrir_laptop | funny: it still doesn't work with mozilla. But does work with galeon and xchat. |
| 10:25.26 | Dabian | jethro : Are you asleep? |
| 10:25.40 | jethro | no |
| 10:25.50 | Dabian | jethro : Are you on /.? |
| 10:25.57 | jethro | no |
| 10:25.58 | tzafrir_laptop | So I guess I can't easily blame X. Or maybe gtk implemented a useful workaround. |
| 10:26.04 | kdX | Guerin, and how do i do that.. |
| 10:26.10 | Guerin | !drxx kdX |
| 10:26.11 | dpkg | kdX: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 10:26.21 | Dabian | jethro : OK - must be another jethro then. |
| 10:26.28 | kdX | ok |
| 10:26.32 | peterS | hmmm, 8 hours until I'm supposed to go to a wedding. (not mine.) I suppose I should get some sleep so I can wake up at least a little bit before I get picked up.. |
| 10:26.42 | v120t | which is more weighed kde or gnome ? |
| 10:26.48 | Guerin | peterS: weddings are tiresome. |
| 10:27.07 | peterS | Guerin: oh, this one's ok, it's Catholic. so like 90 minutes of excitement or whatever |
| 10:27.08 | xoz | peterS: be late and go straight to the reception ;) |
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| 10:27.09 | tzafrir_laptop | v120t, both have too much fat on |
| 10:27.14 | Guerin | v120t: interesting question. Reminds me of 'The Frogs', by Sophocles... |
| 10:27.24 | peterS | xoz: heh. that's the other idea. I hardly know the guy, too |
| 10:27.29 | Dabian | jethro : Are you a Jethro Tull fan? |
| 10:27.31 | Guerin | peterS: then a booze-up! |
| 10:27.57 | peterS | Guerin: don't know if there'll be C2H5OH or not |
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| 10:28.18 | Guerin | peterS: c'mon, there's no such thing as a teetotal catholic wedding |
| 10:28.24 | peterS | hmmm, C2H5OH only saves one keystroke and the shift key negates that. oh well |
| 10:28.29 | peterS | Guerin: point |
| 10:28.46 | Dabian | peterS: Thats alcohol ... |
| 10:28.55 | peterS | Dabian: indeed it is. ethanol to be exact |
| 10:28.55 | Guerin | !captain obvious Dabian |
| 10:29.13 | Dabian | Thanks Guerin |
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| 10:29.21 | Guerin | you're welcome |
| 10:29.26 | Dabian | :) |
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| 10:29.42 | streuner | Guerin: heh? :-) |
| 10:30.05 | Guerin | just keeping you informed of my busy schedule |
| 10:30.07 | streuner | Guerin: problems solved? |
| 10:30.12 | McKillroy | peterS: Thanks - when using 2.8.11 instead of 2.6.8 Auto-Raid1 worked in my situation, but LVM (used for /usr /home /var and /srv) was unreliable then... |
| 10:30.40 | peterS | McKillroy: dunno what to tell you. I sympathise with your desire to kick out the initrd, but you gotta do what you gotta do |
| 10:30.47 | Dabian | Why |
| 10:30.56 | Dabian | Wait .. initrd? |
| 10:31.12 | Dabian | oh .. never mind then. |
| 10:31.20 | Guerin | streuner: oh, my mail admin issues? I haven't managed to track down the source of the problem, it may have been my coadmin fucking things up, so in the meantime i just applied chmod go-x |
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| 10:31.46 | Dabian | !tell McKillroy about initrd |
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| 10:32.04 | Guerin | so now instead of letting you in to admin my mail users etc without a password, it gives a 403 :) |
| 10:33.10 | streuner | Guerin: what app? |
| 10:33.55 | Dabian | dpkg: No, bitchx is a fine irc-client build on epic and ircII. |
| 10:33.55 | dpkg | Dabian: okay |
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| 10:34.47 | xAS | Guerin, same problem again, when i started gnome it asked me if i wanted to use X`s keyboard configuration,i sayd yes and then it displayed the error again |
| 10:35.17 | Dabian | Where can I learn about building a webhotel and what to do with webdav? |
| 10:35.44 | streuner | Guerin: you didn't give us many infos... |
| 10:36.00 | Dabian | Webdav.org have some facts .. but they seem to require some knowledge about other stuff, that I don't have. |
| 10:36.01 | streuner | Guerin: how we can help then? |
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| 10:36.17 | xAS | peterS, what can i do? |
| 10:36.41 | Dabian | Does anyone use webdav with debian? |
| 10:36.46 | Dabian | (Except me) |
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| 10:37.07 | peterS | xAS: unfortunately I'm going to bed now so I don't know. maybe http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/ |
| 10:37.24 | Dabian | peterS : In the middle of the day? |
| 10:37.27 | peterS | xas: uhh, I mean maybe http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/svn/xfree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml might have some answers |
| 10:37.34 | Dabian | peterS : Oh .. you're going to a wedding! Enjoy! |
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| 10:37.42 | peterS | Dabian: 5:37:41 localtime |
| 10:37.56 | simonrvn | 6:47 EDT |
| 10:38.04 | simonrvn | -0:10 |
| 10:38.04 | Dabian | peterS : My local time is 12:37pm |
| 10:38.07 | peterS | Dabian: you're in .dk, maybe you can help xAS with his keyboard layout problem. he's in .dk too |
| 10:38.13 | Dabian | 38 now |
| 10:38.20 | xAS | Dabian, DK ? |
| 10:38.23 | Dabian | peterS : I can give it some shots. :) |
| 10:38.32 | xAS | Dabian, running gnome? |
| 10:38.35 | peterS | Dabian: yeah, I know what TZ you're in (: anyway, /me disappears for the day (: |
| 10:38.36 | Dabian | xAS : Sæ'følig! |
| 10:38.47 | Dabian | peterS : later, have fuN! :) |
| 10:38.57 | xAS | Dabian, køre du gnome? |
| 10:39.08 | Dabian | xAS : Ja, på sarge |
| 10:39.21 | peterS | English XOR /query please (: |
| 10:39.22 | xAS | Dabian, kan vi gå priv? |
| 10:39.27 | xAS | sry |
| 10:39.32 | Dabian | !tell peterS about english |
| 10:39.46 | streuner | !tell Dabian about stfu |
| 10:39.56 | xAS | !tell streuner about stfu |
| 10:40.00 | peterS | Dabian: I think you meant !tell peterS about be bob2 |
| 10:40.05 | Dabian | !tell streuner about fod |
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| 10:40.20 | xAS | Dabian, dude? |
| 10:40.32 | Dabian | peterS : Oh? |
| 10:40.58 | xAS | Dabian, do you got time or? |
| 10:41.04 | peterS | Dabian: try it. (bob2 used to be famous for saying "I'm going to bed now" for 30 minutes straight, before actually leaving) |
| 10:41.07 | amorphix | does USB use alot of power? |
| 10:41.23 | Dabian | peterS : Hehe .. I'm like that too .. and you also, I guess. :) |
| 10:41.30 | xAS | Dabian, ............. |
| 10:41.34 | Dabian | xAS : If I cannot help you |
| 10:41.35 | peterS | yes. now for the 10th time ... off I go (: |
| 10:41.38 | simonrvn | we all do it. a lot of us anyway |
| 10:41.50 | Dabian | xAS : You can always ask in #linux.dk or something. |
| 10:42.04 | Dabian | xAS : Whats your problem? |
| 10:42.07 | takatumi | and the rest are just here all day long. |
| 10:42.17 | xAS | Dabian, can we take it in priv on danish plz? |
| 10:43.02 | streuner | peterS: Go! and have fun. |
| 10:43.04 | Dabian | !tell xas about message |
| 10:43.14 | Dabian | !tell xas about msg |
| 10:43.24 | xAS | ffs forget it |
| 10:43.26 | xAS | omg |
| 10:43.40 | Dabian | xAS : OK .. good luck |
| 10:43.52 | xAS | whatever |
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| 10:44.33 | amorphix | ok |
| 10:45.00 | amorphix | would a USB flash drive use less power than a regular 2.5" HDD? |
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| 10:45.38 | ildegar | buy an additional battery |
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| 10:45.50 | amorphix | i dont need one |
| 10:47.25 | amorphix | i wonder how well supported flash drives are |
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| 10:48.18 | mortalman | What irc network is this? |
| 10:48.38 | amorphix | freenode |
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| 10:49.21 | mortalman | hmm |
| 10:49.31 | japro | are firefox thunderbird and konqueror using some lib to access the internet... they donst display ane webpages b ut i can dowload the pages with wget...? |
| 10:49.42 | hejux | hehe |
| 10:49.42 | hejux | anyone has a skype account ? |
| 10:49.42 | hejux | what's the biggest irc network? |
| 10:49.52 | amorphix | would it be possible to squeeze a cut down Debian installation on a 64MB flash? |
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| 10:50.23 | mortalman | amorphix : yes |
| 10:50.28 | amorphix | how much power do USB devices draw usually? |
| 10:50.31 | hejux | are you dreaming ? |
| 10:50.42 | simonrvn | amorphix: maybe. be cutting it to bare minimum |
| 10:50.46 | amorphix | phew |
| 10:50.53 | amorphix | i need to run apache too tho |
| 10:51.12 | simonrvn | on 64 MB ? i doubt it |
| 10:51.15 | amorphix | :-/ |
| 10:51.17 | hejux | how to install debian from a network ? |
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| 10:51.26 | amorphix | theres a howto for that |
| 10:51.28 | simonrvn | amorphix: another httpd yes |
| 10:51.37 | streuner | !tell hejux about d-i |
| 10:51.43 | amorphix | i will have to go for another httpd with a smaller footprint then |
| 10:51.49 | simonrvn | LSorense1: hi |
| 10:51.53 | streuner | hejux: desktop or server? |
| 10:51.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:51.54 | mortalman | amorphix : You would most likely have to recompile quite a few things if you wanted to get apache running as minimal as you want it. |
| 10:51.57 | hejux | from internet ? |
| 10:52.05 | streuner | hejux: sure |
| 10:52.10 | simonrvn | hejux: yes. read the install guide |
| 10:52.20 | streuner | !tell hejux about ig |
| 10:52.21 | hejux | the debian CD is too big! i want to install it fron the internet! |
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| 10:52.25 | nevyn | amorphix: depends on the device. they're permitted to draw up to 500ma @5v max afaik |
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| 10:52.35 | nevyn | hejux: good move |
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| 10:52.46 | Rick-- | hi.. i cant seem to be able to install debian 3.0 on my SATA hd |
| 10:52.56 | ere | I have a problem with udev and a digital camera that is connected via usb. I use another digital camera that works well, but this one has suddenly stopped to work (It used to work earlier). How can I debug my udev configuration?, the usb connection seems ok (get messages when connected (dmesg)) |
| 10:52.58 | amorphix | thats not much less than a HDD! |
| 10:53.06 | hejux | what X do you use ? XFree or the others ? |
| 10:53.09 | nevyn | Rick--: that won't work. |
| 10:53.12 | nevyn | Rick--: try sarge |
| 10:53.14 | mortalman | Rick-- : Aint gonna happen. |
| 10:53.18 | jhaig | I'm installing Debian 3.0(r5) from a CD. It has installed the base system and rebooted but for some reason it cannot see the network, and so I cannot set up apt. ifconfig says that the card is configured. Can anyone help? |
| 10:53.21 | amorphix | my HDD runs @ 5v 700mA |
| 10:53.23 | hejux | XFree86 or others ? |
| 10:53.27 | Guerin | streuner: postfixadmin's 'admin' section is supposed to be .htaccessed off... the .htaccess and .htpasswd files are there and correct, but they don't seem to be wAorking |
| 10:53.30 | streuner | Rick--: server or desktop? |
| 10:53.34 | Rick-- | server |
| 10:53.42 | Guerin | streuner: i don't really need help with it, I was just complaining |
| 10:53.45 | Rick-- | but.. ill update it to sid anyways |
| 10:53.45 | streuner | Rick--: /msg dpkg di |
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| 10:53.56 | Rick-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.57 | mortalman | jhaig: Install etherconf, had the same prob last night. |
| 10:54.12 | hejux | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.15 | Guerin | Rick--: sid on a server... great idea. |
| 10:54.27 | pingouin_ | how can i know the «state» of my network card : full or half duplex ? |
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| 10:54.30 | streuner | hejux: use d-i then (/msg dpkg d-i) |
| 10:54.33 | mortalman | jhaig: Of course, I had to recompile my kernel for my NICs support too, but that fixed it. |
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| 10:54.46 | Rick-- | i know it aint one of the best.. but.. i did have it on a development for ages.. |
| 10:54.51 | Rick-- | no probs till now |
| 10:54.52 | simonrvn | stupid idea IMO. even if some people do that. i speak from experience |
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| 10:55.13 | Guerin | oh, lag |
| 10:55.29 | Guerin | how can a 100 megabit full-dup internet connection lag, I ask you? |
| 10:55.34 | Guerin | mortalman: good question. |
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| 10:55.42 | simonrvn | sid is not an acronym anyway |
| 10:55.47 | hejux | i heard that we can install debian from a sarge iso |
| 10:55.53 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:56.05 | simonrvn | read. install. guide. |
| 10:56.06 | hejux | the sarge ISO is only about 100M |
| 10:56.08 | jhaig | mortalman: SID is the development version. |
| 10:56.16 | simonrvn | !sid |
| 10:56.17 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. |
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| 10:56.33 | amorphix | i can prolly install debian from a couple of cans and a bit of wire if u're so inclined |
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| 10:56.40 | Rick-- | could someone assist |
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| 10:57.00 | Guerin | Rick--: assist how? |
| 10:57.11 | simonrvn | you shouldn't be running sid if you don't even know how to install it |
| 10:57.25 | mortalman | Rick-- : What's up? |
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| 10:57.35 | Rick-- | on how to go about installing debian on SATA |
| 10:57.43 | simonrvn | use a sarge cd |
| 10:57.48 | mortalman | Rick-- : Install Sarge. |
| 10:57.55 | Rick-- | no way to use the 3.0 cd |
| 10:57.56 | Rick-- | ? |
| 10:57.57 | mortalman | Woody aint gonna do it. |
| 10:58.00 | Guerin | no |
| 10:58.07 | simonrvn | no. not ever. period. get it? |
| 10:58.08 | Rick-- | *sob* *sob* |
| 10:58.11 | sylvain_ | except if you make your own cd |
| 10:58.11 | Guerin | sata wasn't invented when that OS was released |
| 10:58.15 | Rick-- | where to get the iso ? |
| 10:58.17 | amorphix | too bad |
| 10:58.21 | Guerin | !d-i Rick-- |
| 10:58.22 | dpkg | Rick--, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:58.27 | Rick-- | the debian webby is kind confusing.. |
| 10:58.28 | liable | why cant he use woody with a newer kernel |
| 10:58.29 | Guerin | as you've already been told |
| 10:58.32 | simonrvn | it was a glimmer in some engineer's eye, *maybe* |
| 10:58.36 | mortalman | You might be able to install on an ide and update the kernel to support SATA then copy the installed system to the SATA drive. Good luck. |
| 10:58.44 | amorphix | liable yeah i was gonna say that |
| 10:58.50 | amorphix | just install woody and upgrade after |
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| 10:58.54 | Guerin | liable: he can. But he'd need to install a *nix to MAKE an updated kernel... |
| 10:59.05 | sylvain_ | make your own boot cd with a newer kernel including SATA support, it works |
| 10:59.08 | amorphix | oh no nix |
| 10:59.19 | Guerin | nix on the nix |
| 10:59.23 | amorphix | hehe |
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| 10:59.38 | Aronofsky | hi |
| 10:59.45 | jhaig | mortalman: Maybe I need to complete the install before setting up apt. I'll try that first and then worry about my ethernet card. Next question, what is included in a "Conventional UNIX server"? (in the package installer) |
| 11:00.10 | Aronofsky | my cpu using is at 100% , how can I know which process is using all the cpu ressources ?N |
| 11:00.16 | simonrvn | jhaig: that would be a good idea. don't use tasksel |
| 11:00.17 | Guerin | Aronofsky: man ps |
| 11:00.19 | ia3264 | is there a specific channel for network admins? |
| 11:00.27 | Rick-- | Guerin: i should use biz card right |
| 11:00.32 | Rick-- | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ |
| 11:00.33 | Guerin | ia3264: ntiao |
| 11:00.34 | keikoz | Aronofsky type top in a terminal |
| 11:00.41 | Guerin | Rick--: yeah. |
| 11:00.47 | amorphix | Aronofsky: top or ps all |
| 11:00.47 | mortalman | jhaig: If you go to "details" it should list the packages, but I never use tasksel or dselect. |
| 11:00.48 | Rick-- | Guerin: thanx alot |
| 11:00.53 | ia3264 | Guerin, i dont see anyone there |
| 11:01.00 | Guerin | "itym thanks a lot" |
| 11:01.15 | Guerin | !ntiao |
| 11:01.16 | liable | sylvain_: got a url for that (just out of interest) |
| 11:01.17 | mortalman | jhaig: Skip it and install what you want with apt later. |
| 11:01.26 | Guerin | !ntiao is Not That I'm Aware Of |
| 11:01.26 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 11:01.33 | ia3264 | ack |
| 11:01.37 | ia3264 | never seen that one :P |
| 11:01.47 | Guerin | nor has dpkg, apparently |
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| 11:02.01 | sylvain_ | liable: http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Making+a+Custom+Boot+CD+for+Debian |
| 11:02.03 | Aronofsky | famd, what is that process and why is it using 100% of my cpu ? |
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| 11:02.13 | Guerin | Aronofsky: because famd is evil and shit |
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| 11:02.23 | Aronofsky | Guerin, what is it for ? |
| 11:02.25 | liable | sylvain_: thanks |
| 11:02.41 | mortalman | How do I force a stubborn package to remove.... or at least make dpkg think it's gone?? |
| 11:02.47 | Guerin | Aronofsky: it monitors which files are being accessed... if a lot of files are being accessed concurrently, it uses mucho cpu |
| 11:02.47 | snadge | whats the easiest way to install azureus? i have a manually installed j2re.. but azureus depends on a java package which isnt installable |
| 11:02.59 | Guerin | mortalman: apt-get remove --purge packagename |
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| 11:03.09 | Guerin | !tell snadge about java-package |
| 11:03.16 | amorphix | phew |
| 11:03.19 | amorphix | bizy today |
| 11:03.23 | Aronofsky | Guerin, its not a good thing to use it, you adive to disable it ? |
| 11:03.38 | wishie | im having some troubles with kerne-package..it seems to be failing when copying the bzImage to the debian/tmp-image/boot/ dir |
| 11:03.44 | wishie | can someone help me with this please |
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| 11:03.44 | hejux | kia |
| 11:03.48 | Guerin | Aronofsky: well, some things need it. But if it's causing you problems, try removing it and see what it wants to take with. |
| 11:04.14 | mortalman | Guerin : Gives me errors out the ass. |
| 11:04.19 | wishie | oi snadge |
| 11:04.21 | Guerin | mortalman: what package, why? |
| 11:04.42 | snadge | wishie: yer? |
| 11:04.53 | mortalman | Guerin : xserver-xfree86, some script that it runs eats every bit of ram I have then dies. |
| 11:04.56 | Aronofsky | Guerin, its impossible to stop it, what can i do now but reboot ? |
| 11:05.03 | wishie | snadge: wtf you in here for ? :P |
| 11:05.08 | Guerin | mortalman: you don't want X on that box? |
| 11:05.26 | Guerin | Aronofsky: why is it impossible? |
| 11:05.33 | mortalman | Guerin : Maybe, but I can't fix that package to instal it correctly if I did. |
| 11:05.51 | Guerin | mortalman: put the error messages on a httpd someplace |
| 11:05.53 | Aronofsky | Guerin, don't know , if i do 'fam stop' the process is still here |
| 11:05.58 | Guerin | Aronofsky: man kill |
| 11:06.00 | mortalman | hmm, k |
| 11:06.04 | wishie | cp arch/i386 /boot/bzImage debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.7 |
| 11:06.04 | wishie | cp: `debian/tmp-image/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11.7': specified destination directory does not exist |
| 11:06.12 | magnus__ | is kde 3.4 in debian yet? :) |
| 11:06.19 | wishie | for some reason, im getting that space between arch/i386 and /boot/ |
| 11:06.23 | Guerin | wishie: your error message, as usual, contains the solution to your problem |
| 11:06.24 | Aronofsky | Guerin, kinda violent to kill it like that , no ? |
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| 11:06.37 | Guerin | Aronofsky: there is a time for killing |
| 11:06.50 | wishie | Guerin: its kernel-package doing this..and i dont see why its putting a space in that cp command |
| 11:06.52 | Guerin | something burning 100% cpu is that time |
| 11:06.52 | amorphix | hehe |
| 11:06.57 | amorphix | lol |
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| 11:07.06 | amorphix | u guys are funny |
| 11:07.23 | mortalman | Guerin : No, usage. |
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| 11:07.44 | Guerin | wishie: yeah, that's weird. Try and figure out what script is doing that and fix0r it |
| 11:07.49 | liable | wishie: hmm, I think deadcat had that problem, if hes awake |
| 11:07.50 | Guerin | mortalman: usage yojimbo? |
| 11:07.55 | Aronofsky | Guerin, i guess you're right , lol |
| 11:08.01 | Guerin | !lol |
| 11:08.01 | dpkg | lol stands for Lamer On Line, or everytime someone says lol, greycat kills a LOLer. |
| 11:08.02 | wishie | only started doing it recently too |
| 11:08.08 | wishie | since i use make-kpkg all the time |
| 11:08.46 | Guerin | magnus__: /topic |
| 11:08.49 | mortalman | hmm, errors won't > to a file. |
| 11:08.52 | mortalman | strange. |
| 11:09.00 | jethro | mortalman: 2>&1 |
| 11:09.11 | caphuso | wishie: and the fix in the BTS didn't help? that's surprising... |
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| 11:09.27 | Guerin | "BTS?" |
| 11:09.34 | wishie | exactly..BTS ? |
| 11:09.37 | Guerin | ... |
| 11:09.39 | caphuso | stupid clueless sid users... |
| 11:09.44 | caphuso | !bts |
| 11:09.44 | dpkg | hmm... bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or anyone running unstable who's unable to check the BTS should be shot on sight. apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. sid users, apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 11:09.48 | jethro | !lart wishie |
| 11:09.53 | mortalman | jethro: huh? |
| 11:09.55 | hejux | red-hat as 4 is a good verson ,isn't it ? |
| 11:10.04 | Guerin | hejux: no. |
| 11:10.06 | magnus__ | ok, thanks |
| 11:10.09 | hejux | why ? |
| 11:10.15 | jethro | mortalman: ./command > outfile 2>&1 |
| 11:10.18 | Guerin | hejux: because it's red hat, duh. |
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| 11:10.32 | hejux | what is the best verson of linux do you think? |
| 11:10.37 | amorphix | how well supported are USB CF/Smartmedia readers in Sarge? |
| 11:10.44 | jethro | !troll hejux |
| 11:10.45 | Guerin | 2.6.9 worked well for me |
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| 11:10.53 | asuffield | amorphix: those are usb storage devices. they work in everything, including woody |
| 11:11.01 | amorphix | coool |
| 11:11.01 | mortalman | jethro: will try. |
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| 11:11.08 | hejux | ? |
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| 11:11.17 | asuffield | it's not like usb storage has changed at all since woody came out |
| 11:11.19 | Guerin | amorphix: i hear some brands are shit, though. Buy something good. |
| 11:11.25 | amorphix | ok |
| 11:11.27 | Arafangion | mkfs.ext3 -j -b 2048 -i 2048 |
| 11:11.30 | simonrvn | because RH 4 is so full of holes you'd get r00ted in a matter of minutes |
| 11:11.33 | hejux | ? |
| 11:11.44 | Guerin | simonrvn: RHAS 4 |
| 11:11.46 | Arafangion | Is that an optimal setting? (Lots and lots of hardlinks) |
| 11:12.01 | hejux | why should i use debian ?give me some reasons ? |
| 11:12.02 | simonrvn | AS? |
| 11:12.10 | jethro | !why debian |
| 11:12.10 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 11:12.14 | simonrvn | !tell hejux about why debian |
| 11:12.15 | Guerin | Advanced [sic] Server |
| 11:12.19 | simonrvn | ah |
| 11:12.29 | simonrvn | no difference, imo ;p |
| 11:12.35 | mortalman | Guerin : http://clay.servepics.com/log.txt |
| 11:12.43 | Guerin | it's got some non-free and costs a lot more |
| 11:12.59 | mortalman | There's my removal errors, but it skipped the __alloc_pages and VM: errors. |
| 11:13.05 | jethro | you get paied support with rhas |
| 11:13.24 | jethro | that's the only point of it |
| 11:13.36 | ravenbird | Guerin: fartfish |
| 11:13.52 | Guerin | mortalman: i love these black-box errors |
| 11:14.13 | eNTi | can someone please help me with my routing table in debian. i don't know where debian is "building" the routing table at startup. i'm running pppoe and it starts "pon" automatically, but again i don't know where. i need to edit my routing table by hand after each bootup, that's kina lousy. maybe someone can give me hand? |
| 11:14.13 | hejux | £¿ |
| 11:14.14 | ravenbird | Guerin: fishfart |
| 11:14.25 | Guerin | mortalman: try dpkg -P --force-depends and see if it yields more output |
| 11:14.26 | hejux | i cant see anything ? |
| 11:14.36 | Guerin | hejux: open your eyes |
| 11:14.41 | hejux | where is the messege going ? |
| 11:14.41 | simonrvn | eNTi: in the ppp confs |
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| 11:14.54 | wishie | ok, ive done the temp fix |
| 11:14.56 | wishie | thanks |
| 11:14.59 | simonrvn | hejux: what are talking about? |
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| 11:15.17 | ravenbird | Guerin: fartfish |
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| 11:15.29 | eNTi | simonrvn: in /etc/ppp/options and /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider or where do you mean? |
| 11:15.35 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 11:15.43 | mortalman | Guerin : Got just about the same thing. |
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| 11:16.02 | simonrvn | i have a p3 to put together... |
| 11:16.22 | TONPAIRE | P |
| 11:16.23 | TONPAIRE | T |
| 11:16.23 | TONPAIRE | Dr |
| 11:16.24 | TONPAIRE | R |
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| 11:16.30 | simonrvn | idiot |
| 11:16.36 | TONPAIRE | R |
| 11:16.51 | simonrvn | @ops TONPAIRE is spamming the channel |
| 11:16.54 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: TONPAIRE is spamming the channel |
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| 11:17.06 | mortalman | Ideas, questions, comments? |
| 11:17.15 | TONPAIRE | Ferme dc ta gueule |
| 11:17.19 | TONPAIRE | Enculer |
| 11:17.26 | Guerin | mortalman: try running the script ... it should be /var/lib/dpkg/info/xserver-xfree86.prerm |
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| 11:17.28 | simonrvn | ToniT: mange d'la marde |
| 11:17.37 | simonrvn | ToniT: sorry |
| 11:17.40 | jethro | ostie de calisse |
| 11:17.44 | simonrvn | TONPAIRE: mange d'la marde |
| 11:17.45 | mortalman | Guerin : will do. |
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| 11:18.10 | TONPAIRE | Est fdp tu suce des teub baltringue |
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| 11:18.17 | simonrvn | TONPAIRE: t'es pas vraimnet original comme troll, tu sais? |
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| 11:18.25 | simonrvn | thank you |
| 11:18.56 | mortalman | Guerin : Got no output. |
| 11:19.04 | Guerin | mortalman: that means it succeeded... |
| 11:19.04 | hejux | ? |
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| 11:19.09 | Arafangion | Was that spanish? |
| 11:19.14 | hejux | whats wrong with me ? |
| 11:19.17 | simonrvn | french |
| 11:19.23 | eNTi | simonrvn: where can i change my routing table in those files? |
| 11:19.25 | mortalman | Guerin : So it's removed from the db? |
| 11:19.30 | hejux | i was kicked ? |
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| 11:19.52 | Guerin | mortalman: maybe. try removing it with apt again. |
| 11:20.02 | gothtec | I have a problem getting my "0000:02:04.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)" to enter scan mode. I'm trying to detect the AP's around me, and, while I can register a signal, I get the error "Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported" with most scanning software. Trying swscanner at the moment. The card shows up in iwconfig, and swscanner detects a signal, but can't scan. |
| 11:20.15 | simonrvn | eNTi: the pppd sets the default route from the peer's IP, from 'defaultroute' in one of those files you mentioned |
| 11:20.20 | Guerin | mortalman: i'm off to dinner now... good luck with this. |
| 11:20.26 | mortalman | Guerin : Nope, same stuff. |
| 11:20.27 | mortalman | thanks |
| 11:20.32 | Guerin | mortalman: :) |
| 11:20.41 | McKillroy | losetup /dev/loop0 /boot/myinitrd.img ; mount -rw /dev/loop0 /mnt; ==> I can't write to /mnt/loadmodules (root:root rw-r-r-) as root. WHY ? |
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| 11:22.15 | gothtec | I have a problem getting my "0000:02:04.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset (rev 01)" to enter scan mode. I'm trying to detect the AP's around me, and, while I can register a signal, I get the error "Interface doesn't support scanning : Operation not supported" with most scanning software. Trying swscanner at the moment. The card shows up in iwconfig, and swscanner detects a signal, but can't scan. |
| 11:22.20 | simonrvn | jethro: you know quebec slang swearing? |
| 11:22.35 | simonrvn | um, gothtec ... |
| 11:23.01 | gothtec | i know. i added some information, and didn't want to have people scroll up to read the start of my question |
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| 11:23.56 | xoz | gothtec: scanning is not supported. period. |
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| 11:24.50 | gothtec | xoz: I could scan just fine using airsnort in my previous install with a 2.4.18 kernel... |
| 11:25.05 | simonrvn | McKillroy: maybe it's mounted read only? |
| 11:25.21 | xoz | so? |
| 11:26.15 | xoz | wireless-tools told it's not supported, respect that. otherwise, creater your own driver. |
| 11:26.21 | gothtec | xoz: So I don't know which part of my current config that "doesn't support" scanning. Is it the 2.6 kernel as a whole? The specific orinoco drivers I'm using? Something else? |
| 11:26.42 | McKillroy | simonrvn: its mounted rw - i couldnt even delete files from it. |
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| 11:27.07 | gothtec | xoz: So what I need to do is compile my own kernel with those linux-wlan-ng things in it? |
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| 11:28.08 | simonrvn | McKillroy: checked the dir and file perms? checked integrity of the fs? sorry i can't be of more help |
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| 11:28.33 | liable | gothtec: tried kismet? |
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| 11:29.23 | valdyn | McKillroy: mount -rw looks like a bullshit flag |
| 11:29.30 | gothtec | xoz_: So what I need to do is compile my own kernel with those linux-wlan-ng things in it? |
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| 11:29.35 | valdyn | McKillroy: man mount |
| 11:29.59 | gothtec | ... |
| 11:30.06 | modd3r | hi |
| 11:30.12 | eNTi | simonrvn: i've got this strange "defaultroute" entry in both of the files i mentioned. my problem is now, how do i tell pppd otherwise? my defaultroute goes to eth0, maybe because i'm using a network-router, even though after pon ran, i've got another ip and a ppp0 interface, which i want as gateway really. i just want to know where i can modify my defaultroute and how. |
| 11:30.21 | xoz_ | gothtec: wait |
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| 11:30.22 | simonrvn | it is a BS flag. it's -o rw |
| 11:30.27 | drac | gothtec: apt-get install module-assistant build-essential && m-a a-i hostap |
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| 11:30.43 | Gnea | has anyone heard about Trupix digital cameras? they sound like cheap things that will break if click on the shutter release |
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| 11:30.57 | drac | gothtec: build, package, and install Host AP driver for Intersil Prism2/2.5/3. |
| 11:30.59 | valdyn | McKillroy: -rw tries to mount it readonly and r/w, implementation dependent on what takes precedence i guess |
| 11:31.14 | simonrvn | eNTi: check you interfaces file to see if you have a 'gateway XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX' line, if so, remove it, down eth0, bring it back up, reconnect |
| 11:31.14 | valdyn | McKillroy: or if it gives an error.. |
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| 11:32.28 | gothtec | liable: don't know how to use that |
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| 11:32.37 | xoz_ | drac: hostap may provide you a better support. |
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| 11:32.59 | gothtec | drac: will that work even though i didn't compile my own kernel? it's just a .deb from apt |
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| 11:33.22 | liable | gothtec: easy, 'kismet' away it goes. |
| 11:33.22 | drac | gothtec: Yes, you need also kernel-headers package to match your 'uname -r', and it will work. |
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| 11:33.53 | drac | gothtec: e.g. for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 you'll need kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 11:34.04 | drac | gothtec: And what I said earlier. |
| 11:34.10 | oldex | hi guys |
| 11:34.13 | gothtec | drac: i'll try that, thanks |
| 11:34.13 | Dazgard | hi |
| 11:34.23 | gothtec | liable: it tells me it needs at least one packet source |
| 11:35.12 | notty | hello, i provide internet access on a big network with a debian server, problem is from 1000 only 100 must have internet access and they have the internet access based on ther ip/mac address, but others can change ip and mac and use the internet. what can i do ? |
| 11:35.37 | oldex | who can tell me about ftp soft??? |
| 11:35.53 | oldex | a good ftp soft |
| 11:36.08 | Dazgard | oldex: server or client ? |
| 11:36.16 | Mage__ | lftp for client |
| 11:36.21 | Mage__ | vsftpd for server |
| 11:36.23 | McKillroy | valdyn: argh ... gonna rtfm |
| 11:36.25 | gothtec | notty: your employees change their mac addresses? |
| 11:36.32 | Dazgard | proftpd for server |
| 11:36.49 | Dazgard | ncftp for client |
| 11:36.49 | liable | gothtec: hrm, dunoo what thats about, set to use your wireless card? does ifconfig show your card in monitor mode? |
| 11:37.18 | nevyn | notty: use iptables and a tun device to do access based on username |
| 11:37.20 | oldex | ok thanks |
| 11:37.26 | gothtec | liable: with my current config, I can't get it to monitor mode. that's my problem :) Trying drac's idea now... hope it'll work |
| 11:37.35 | notty | gothtec: yes |
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| 11:38.12 | notty | nevyn: what is a tun device, where can i read about it ? |
| 11:38.24 | Merde | !inv putin |
| 11:38.39 | Merde | !inv [mange |
| 11:38.53 | McKillroy | valdyn: anyway "mount" reported it being mounted (rw) |
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| 11:40.07 | unco | has anyone here installed sebek onto debian? |
| 11:41.16 | herbi | how can i stop mozilla from bringnig up the help dialoge when i pressF1? |
| 11:42.09 | nevyn | notty: it's a reasonably advanced hack |
| 11:42.14 | liable | herbi: about:config maybe |
| 11:42.24 | valdyn | McKillroy: i doubt you could write to a ROM File System |
| 11:42.35 | valdyn | McKillroy: is it that? |
| 11:42.40 | herbi | liable, nice idea |
| 11:42.46 | McKillroy | valdyn: cramfs |
| 11:42.51 | nevyn | notty: a more usual way to do it is to use some sort of authorising proxy. |
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| 11:43.14 | eNTi | simonrvn: i don't have such an entry. why should i bring down my eth0? eth0 is connected to my router. eth0 seems to get it's ip via dhcp... that seems somewhat correct... |
| 11:43.23 | notty | nevyn: i need nat |
| 11:43.26 | nevyn | notty: what do you mean by "internet access" because people don't usually mean internet access when they say internet access |
| 11:43.46 | nevyn | notty: squid is insufficient? |
| 11:44.05 | notty | nevyn: yes |
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| 11:44.09 | simonrvn | eNTi: why are you connecting via dhcp if you're using ppp? |
| 11:44.22 | notty | i need to route them and use snat and dnat |
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| 11:44.53 | nevyn | if you can possibly get away with some sort of proxy that's way easier. |
| 11:46.07 | eNTi | simonrvn: my isp has set up a vpn where i need to connect to... doesn't that mean, that i need an address for my eth0 so that i can communicate with the isp's vpn? |
| 11:46.33 | eNTi | simonrvn: i think i rather followed instructions in that case. |
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| 11:47.06 | gothtec | drac: Done this now... "apt-get install module-assistant build-essential && m-a a-i hostap". what's next? |
| 11:47.48 | drac | gothtec: Now you have drivers for your prism installed, but ask someone else to configure the rest, i'm no expert. :/ |
| 11:48.21 | simonrvn | eNTi: oh sure. but using both seems a bit overlapping of functions.... what default route should you have then? that's what you need to know, and set it accordingly. you can't have two default routes. (you can have multi-homed, but you have to drop the default route) |
| 11:48.26 | drac | gothtec: Maybe modconf, and load the correct driver? |
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| 11:50.13 | valdyn | McKillroy: from the kernel: CramFs is read-only, limited to 256MB file systems (with 1.... |
| 11:50.30 | nwau | hi, Im looking for an App to Stream Audio and video from a TV card to Windows PC's Any Ideads? |
| 11:51.05 | xoz | gothtec: yep. i just checked hostap and it supports scanning. google hostap for info about installing it |
| 11:51.16 | eNTi | simonrvn: i only need the ppp0 as default route. |
| 11:51.31 | simonrvn | what's that motherboard site called again? where they have diagrams and specs of various x86 mobos? |
| 11:51.42 | xoz | gothtec: i installed it and airsnort works. |
| 11:51.44 | eNTi | simonrvn: i usually do a "route del default" and then "route add default gw <ip> dev ppp0" |
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| 11:52.43 | bdlug66 | hello |
| 11:52.48 | bdlug66 | how to compile kde theme in debian |
| 11:53.02 | bdlug66 | i have tryed thin keramik |
| 11:53.10 | streuner | bdlug66: read README? |
| 11:53.16 | simonrvn | eNTi: ok, so make sure dhclient doesn't set the default route. you can either conf its conf file (/etc/dhcp*/dhclient.conf), or do that route removal in /etc/network/interfaces, via an up statement |
| 11:53.25 | bdlug66 | ok |
| 11:53.28 | simonrvn | man interfaces |
| 11:54.08 | bdlug66 | there is no readme in thinkeramik-3.2.1 |
| 11:54.09 | bdlug66 | :( |
| 11:54.25 | streuner | bdlug66: no docs at all? |
| 11:54.27 | bdlug66 | it install in /usr/local/kde (defaulty |
| 11:54.36 | bdlug66 | nope |
| 11:54.37 | bdlug66 | not for the |
| 11:54.37 | bdlug66 | thinkeramik-3.2.1 |
| 11:54.37 | bdlug66 | oner |
| 11:54.37 | bdlug66 | one |
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| 11:55.07 | airox | :D |
| 11:55.15 | streuner | bdlug66: where did you got that from? and /msg dpkg flood |
| 11:55.25 | oldex | help i have a problem with my sound card |
| 11:55.34 | bdlug66 | nope it is source from www.kde-look.org |
| 11:55.36 | oldex | there is no sound |
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| 11:55.39 | streuner | oldex: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 11:55.47 | bdlug66 | i moved from slackware to debian and newbie to debian |
| 11:55.58 | streuner | bedlug66: URL? |
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| 11:56.35 | oldex | ?? |
| 11:56.53 | streuner | oldex: type that into a shell as root |
| 11:57.00 | bdlug66 | http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=10919 |
| 11:57.25 | oldex | what??? |
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| 11:57.41 | cCCA | Does anybody know a tool for unpakking a .iso file, i dont wanna burn it. |
| 11:57.45 | streuner | belug66: the install and compile instructions are just in the URL itself |
| 11:57.50 | bdlug66 | ok |
| 11:57.53 | bdlug66 | trying |
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| 11:58.01 | eNTi | simonrvn: my /etc/dhcclient.conf is all commented out. but i've found a "vicous" script, that seems to do some kind of routing: /etc/dhclient-script but i rather not alter this script. seems a little complicated. what entry do i need in /etc/network/interfaces? the man page doesnt help me much really. |
| 11:58.16 | valdyn | cCCA: mount -o loop -t iso9660 file.iso /mnt/ |
| 11:58.23 | streuner | cCCA: mount -o /your_iso /to_somewhere |
| 11:58.32 | streuner | cCCA: mount -o loop /your_iso /to_somewhere |
| 11:58.33 | McKillroy | valdyn: Thanks ! ==> starting to use mkcramfs instead ... |
| 11:58.47 | eNTi | simonrvn: i could put a script in /etc/interfaces/if-up.d/ that deletes the old route and adds the new one, but that would be a bad workaround i guess. |
| 11:58.52 | oldex | ??? |
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| 11:59.39 | simonrvn | eNTi: something like: up route del default\n up route add default gw $IP dev ppp0 - or yeh, a script to do that |
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| 12:00.05 | simonrvn | and set it in an auto ppp0 statement |
| 12:00.08 | liable | oldex: 'lsmod' post your snd modules to #flood |
| 12:00.15 | simonrvn | (or something like it) |
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| 12:01.58 | eNTi | simonrvn: is there an _easy_ way to get my $IP for the script? |
| 12:02.14 | simonrvn | yeh, sec |
| 12:02.23 | acollins | Is there a version debian installer which uses a 2.6 kernel itself (instead just installing a 2.6 on the target machine)? uname -a on the latest rc3 installer says 2.4.27 |
| 12:02.54 | acollins | my sata hard drive is not recognised... |
| 12:03.11 | drac | acollins: You have 2.6 in that installer, it's just matter of using it. |
| 12:03.16 | drac | acollins: linux26 boot option. |
| 12:03.24 | acollins | drac, great! |
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| 12:03.44 | acollins | drac, i'll do that |
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| 12:03.57 | simonrvn | eNTi: example: ifconfig $LOCAL_IFACE |awk '/inet addr:/ {print substr($2,6)}' |
| 12:04.30 | guru | if someone said something to me i can't backbuffer that far so you'll have to say it again |
| 12:05.58 | c459s | Hi, I just brought a debian computer with me home from work. This meant that I had to change the ip adress to fit my home network, however now I get this weird network error, and my debian computer is unable to ping any of the other computers on my home network. The error I am getting is "eth0: using nway device table, not 8". Anyone have an idea as to how to fix this? |
| 12:06.57 | streuner | c459s: DHCP? |
| 12:07.04 | c459s | no, I'm using static ip adresses. |
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| 12:07.23 | streuner | c459s: /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 12:08.49 | oldex | ??? |
| 12:09.11 | streuner | c459s: /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 12:09.18 | streuner | oldex: are you a bot? |
| 12:09.37 | oldex | ??? |
| 12:09.41 | bdlug66 | how to boot system with the debian 1st bootable cd |
| 12:09.43 | bdlug66 | when the grub gnome from mbr :) |
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| 12:10.11 | bdlug66 | some time when i repair my windows then it move the grub from mbr |
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| 12:10.53 | liable | bdlug66: 'linux rescue' I think |
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| 12:11.51 | eNTi | simonrvn: thx. |
| 12:11.51 | bdlug66 | then how i can boot in my sarge |
| 12:11.54 | streuner | oldex: just say yes or no! :-) |
| 12:11.55 | bdlug66 | ya |
| 12:11.55 | bdlug66 | in slack i use root=/dev/hda7 noinitrd ro |
| 12:11.55 | bdlug66 | but i do not know abt debian |
| 12:12.01 | simonrvn | eNTi: np. worky? |
| 12:12.05 | oldex | lol |
| 12:12.27 | eNTi | simonrvn: trying |
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| 12:12.39 | simonrvn | ok |
| 12:12.55 | eNTi | simonrvn: well i get a list of 4 ips :) |
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| 12:14.04 | eNTi | simonrvn: and all 4 are wrong :) |
| 12:14.08 | simonrvn | you'll need to edit that awk bit i think... hmm lemme check again. hmm, works ok here |
| 12:14.15 | eNTi | yes. i'll do :) |
| 12:14.32 | c459s | streuner: The info from dpkg was nothing that I didnt allready know. :/ |
| 12:14.36 | simonrvn | ifconfig ppp0 |awk '/inet addr:/ {print substr($2,6)}'; my_ppp0_ip |
| 12:14.40 | gothtec | "Warning: Driver for device wifi0 recommend version 18 of Wireless Extension, but has been compiled with version 17, therefore some driver features may not be available..." Is this bad? |
| 12:14.40 | liable | bdlug66: you have to chroot in, dont think you can do that with debian (from the cd), may well be wrong though |
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| 12:15.21 | liable | gothtec: only if you need those features :) |
| 12:15.44 | gothtec | liable: well, since scanning still doesn't seem to work, I think I do. |
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| 12:16.02 | bdlug66 | if while repair windows my grub gone from mbr then ? should i do :( is there any way to recover my debian |
| 12:17.03 | liable | bdlug66: get a knoppix cd, re-install grub from that. |
| 12:17.24 | bdlug66 | oh |
| 12:17.26 | bdlug66 | ok |
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| 12:17.57 | streuner | dpkg, sn is Senegal - Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 12:17.57 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 12:18.11 | eNTi | simonrvn: ifconfig $LOCAL_IFACE |awk '/P-t-P:/ {print substr($3,7)}' |
| 12:18.12 | bdlug66 | sound problem restarting bye for now |
| 12:18.21 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 12:19.06 | c459s | so what may be the reason for the "eth0: using nway device table, not 8" error that I get when trying to do "ifup eth0"? |
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| 12:19.32 | K_Dallas | Morning guys! Is this the global bashrc? /etc/bash.bashrc thanks |
| 12:19.49 | usn | hi all |
| 12:19.59 | K_Dallas | hi usn |
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| 12:20.46 | devil__ | salve |
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| 12:22.11 | KerPlunk | !start a distro war |
| 12:22.12 | dpkg | Gentoo is stupid! |
| 12:22.39 | anhi | that war wont last long in here i'd say ;) |
| 12:22.51 | gothtec | "Warning: Driver for device wifi0 recommend version 18 of Wireless Extension, but has been compiled with version 17, therefore some driver features may not be available..." How do I update "Wireless Extension"? I don't know what that is |
| 12:23.08 | eNTi | hey i'm using gentoo, debian AND fc! |
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| 12:23.57 | js_ | what is "nbd"? |
| 12:24.05 | airox | Is there some freenode op here ? |
| 12:24.16 | KerPlunk | network block device |
| 12:24.18 | KerPlunk | js_ |
| 12:24.36 | js_ | KerPlunk: ok |
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| 12:25.42 | xoz_ | gothtec: ignore it |
| 12:25.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 12:25.52 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a distro war |
| 12:25.53 | dpkg | SuSE is lame! |
| 12:25.59 | FieldySnuts | that won't start a war |
| 12:26.29 | gothtec | xoz_: I still can't scan, though... should I use wifi0 or wlan0 anyway? |
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| 12:26.39 | xoz_ | gothtec: wlan0 |
| 12:26.39 | FieldySnuts | wrong key.. |
| 12:26.42 | avaurus | suse is not that lame |
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| 12:27.55 | xoz_ | gothtec: iwconfig wlan0 essid "" |
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| 12:28.31 | xoz_ | gothtec: iwlist wlan0 scanning |
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| 12:28.49 | badblody | how can i list all isa cards that debian detects? |
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| 12:29.03 | bdlug | #debian |
| 12:29.19 | Mortalman | lef: Like AOL much? |
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| 12:30.06 | lef | Mortalman, well. If I like it in what sense? |
| 12:30.06 | gothtec | xoz_: wlan0 Interface doesn't support scanning : Network is down |
| 12:30.06 | gothtec | xoz_: and that version error again |
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| 12:30.45 | Mortalman | lef: Just pokin fun at the ISP I work for. |
| 12:31.03 | lef | Mortalman, I am sharing the connection with its owner so I have not had to deal with AOL directly. In terms of speed and uptime it has been fine. |
| 12:31.15 | lef | Mortalman, is that in AOL UK? |
| 12:31.17 | xoz_ | gothtec: does iwconfig list wlan0 info? is hostap_pci loaded? |
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| 12:32.01 | xoz_ | gothtec: try /etc/init.d/networking restart ... make sure hostap is configured to connect to dhcp server |
| 12:32.17 | Mortalman | lef: Nope, you mean they have AOL for BB. That's so gay. lol |
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| 12:32.55 | takatumi | gothtec: how many hostap modules are loaded? |
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| 12:33.12 | lef | Mortalman, that's what I thought before I use it. But it really is fine. Nothing different to other ISPs |
| 12:33.16 | kooldeb | Q: |
| 12:33.54 | FieldySnuts | @start a wm war |
| 12:33.55 | ravenbird | GNOME blows! |
| 12:34.01 | Mortalman | lef: Quite a bit different, but I suppose it would apear the same if behind a router. |
| 12:34.05 | gothtec | xoz_: could you join #flood? I'll paste the result of "iwconfig" |
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| 12:34.13 | takatumi | FieldySnuts: quite aggressive today. :) |
| 12:34.15 | kooldeb | Q: my interface at the console is messed up a little (for example when you run menuconfig, the output is not very well) what should be done ? |
| 12:34.17 | xoz_ | ok |
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| 12:34.29 | lef | Mortalman, quite a bit different as in?? |
| 12:34.35 | OleMoudi | how can I pass a line from stdout like the one "tail" outputs to "ln -s " command? |
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| 12:34.35 | Eclipser | kooldeb, try `reset` ? |
| 12:34.37 | nullvoid | hi all |
| 12:34.52 | kooldeb | Eclipser: : reset what ? |
| 12:35.03 | Eclipser | it's a command :) |
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| 12:35.21 | Mortalman | lef: Umm, different as is, you are tunneled to AOL before you get to the internet. |
| 12:35.22 | nullvoid | how can I get gaim like yahoo which is only displayed at tray and not at taskbar? |
| 12:35.35 | Mortalman | s/as is/as in |
| 12:35.44 | OleMoudi | tail foo.txt | ln -s <I want the output of the pipe here> foo.mp3 |
| 12:35.50 | lef | Mortalman, isn't that the case with every ISP? |
| 12:36.05 | FieldySnuts | xargs |
| 12:36.15 | hejux | hi |
| 12:36.20 | Mortalman | lef: Is it cable or DSL. I'll explain. |
| 12:36.22 | gothtec | xoz_: did that make sense? |
| 12:36.26 | kooldeb | Eclipser: well you what I mean ? I am tlaking about layout, like instead of seeing a line like _______________ you are seing -------------- and things are not aligned properly. |
| 12:36.40 | Mortalman | ? |
| 12:37.25 | xoz | gothtec: seems ok. now, you try to connect by dhcp before scanning. |
| 12:37.36 | gothtec | takatumi: "lsmod | grep hostap" shows two lines: "hostap_pci 59760 0" and "hostap 124968 1 hostap_pci" |
| 12:37.48 | Mortalman | lef: You alright out there? |
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| 12:38.05 | takatumi | gothtec: there are a few more, try modconf |
| 12:38.11 | Eclipser | kooldeb, hmm, funny |
| 12:38.26 | xoz | gothtec: im using two aliases becuase the other one is connected to wireless... xoz and xoz_ |
| 12:38.34 | kooldeb | Eclipser: sounds like a curses problem or something like that |
| 12:38.47 | xoz | gothtec: ill try to disconnect the wireless and check scanning again |
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| 12:38.53 | Eclipser | kooldeb, sorry I don't know what's wrong, never seen anything like that |
| 12:39.45 | K_Dallas | how do i change the priority of a process while it is running? |
| 12:40.03 | lef | Mortalman, it is DSL |
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| 12:40.16 | abrotman | K_Dallas: man nice |
| 12:40.22 | FieldySnuts | renice |
| 12:40.31 | K_Dallas | i did it but it only seems to work on a new command |
| 12:40.37 | K_Dallas | oh, renice thanks |
| 12:40.40 | abrotman | err see FieldySnuts |
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| 12:40.50 | K_Dallas | thank both of you |
| 12:40.53 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: don't you ever sleep? |
| 12:40.55 | FieldySnuts | helpful: renice `pidof appname` |
| 12:41.33 | gothtec | xoz: the module "hermes" is still loaded. should it be? in modconf, I now have a + at hermes, hostap, hostap_crypt_ccmp, hostap_crypt_tkip, hostap_crypt_wep, hostap_cs, hostap_pci and hostap_plx |
| 12:41.39 | Mortalman | lef|afk: Your connection is provided by your tele phone company. Normal until it gets to the internet, wich yours doesn't. It gets routed to AOL first. If you had the servie from the phone company it would be directly connected at that point. |
| 12:41.57 | paulswm | K_Dallas: but you can only renice it downwards as root |
| 12:42.03 | xoz | gothtec: you should not have hermes |
| 12:42.14 | K_Dallas | paulswm, that is sad :) |
| 12:42.19 | K_Dallas | i wanted the other way |
| 12:42.26 | FieldySnuts | rebadger `pidof mushroom snake` |
| 12:42.31 | Mortalman | lef|afk: Not to mention your using a hacked up PPPoE job. |
| 12:42.33 | takatumi | gothtec: unload hermes and load all 6 hostap ones, scanning works fine, similar card here. |
| 12:42.35 | K_Dallas | -n -20 is the highest priority, right? |
| 12:42.53 | paulswm | K_Dallas: yes |
| 12:42.56 | FieldySnuts | yes but you definately hardly ever want to do that, you can make the rest of your system unresponsive (including shells) |
| 12:42.57 | K_Dallas | thank you |
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| 12:43.10 | FieldySnuts | -10 is probably the lowest reasonably you should go |
| 12:43.12 | K_Dallas | ture, i am not going to -20, -10 is fine |
| 12:43.15 | xoz | gothtec: i notice that scanning works only if you are connected to at least one AP. |
| 12:43.58 | xoz | gothtec: if im not connected, i get the same error: interface doesn't support scanning: network is down. |
| 12:44.11 | gothtec | xoz: that's strange, isn't it? |
| 12:44.13 | xoz | gothtec: the moment im connected, the scanning command works. |
| 12:44.32 | unco | can someone tell me how to get the correct set of source files in /usr/src/linux-2.4 for sebek client when the kernel has been updated via apt-get install kernel-image-2.4xxxx |
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| 12:45.21 | xoz | gothtec: i think scanning uses AP as a jumping point for scanning. im not sure. it will not work if you are not connected to a network. |
| 12:45.27 | kooldeb | Q: my interface at the console is messed up a little (for example when you run menuconfig, the output is not very well) what should be done ? |
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| 12:46.57 | Mortalman | Hmm, what port is https again? |
| 12:47.15 | daisuke | 443 |
| 12:47.15 | streuner | Mortalman: grep https /etc/services |
| 12:47.56 | Mortalman | streuner: I just relized that after I hit enter. thanks. |
| 12:49.20 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: start a badger war |
| 12:49.20 | dpkg | mushrooms suck compared to FieldySnuts |
| 12:49.22 | FieldySnuts | ... |
| 12:49.32 | FieldySnuts | oh wait, that's a good thing, I win |
| 12:49.34 | xoz | gothtec: yep. airsnort causes segmentation error if im not connected to AP. the moment im connected, i can use it and it returns the scanned AP info. |
| 12:49.53 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:50.00 | gothtec | FieldySnuts: yeah. over a bunch of mushrooms. makes you feel reeeeeally good, doesn't it? |
| 12:50.06 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i thought you couldn't talk to dpkg |
| 12:50.18 | FieldySnuts | i've been able to, and apt as well, the past few weeks. i just go easy. |
| 12:50.24 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 12:50.46 | FieldySnuts | apt: kill dpkg |
| 12:50.50 | apt | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized proton gun at dpkg |
| 12:50.57 | FieldySnuts | heh right |
| 12:51.00 | paulswm | botwars |
| 12:51.07 | xoz | gothtec: also, orinoco_pci has stronger signal to noise ratio than hostap_pci. im gonna use orinoco for now because it has better signal efficiency. |
| 12:51.27 | FieldySnuts | you used to be able to cause them to talk shit to each other by getting one to moron the other, sometimes the target would fire back an insult. if you were really lucky, there would be another response |
| 12:51.32 | FieldySnuts | but now they ignore each other |
| 12:51.39 | Mortalman | know of a place to get a cheap orinoco ? |
| 12:51.48 | paulswm | Oh, what a shame, that sounds like it was fun |
| 12:51.48 | abrotman | ebay? |
| 12:51.59 | FieldySnuts | :) poor grumpy paulswm |
| 12:52.04 | gothtec | w00t! |
| 12:52.06 | gothtec | I can scan! |
| 12:52.07 | Mortalman | eBay sucks. |
| 12:52.16 | gothtec | YAY! |
| 12:52.20 | abrotman | compared to what? |
| 12:52.25 | paulswm | I'm not grumpy, I'm grampy |
| 12:52.31 | paulswm | :) |
| 12:52.38 | gothtec | xoz: I CAN SCAN! |
| 12:52.49 | xoz | gothtec: without connection? |
| 12:52.49 | abrotman | stardard old person jokes may commence :) |
| 12:52.54 | paulswm | Nooo |
| 12:53.01 | hejux | hi |
| 12:53.34 | veleno | iss there a tool to record audio and video from a cam, plugged in the s-video in of my tv card ? |
| 12:53.59 | paulswm | Not actually *old* but I do have a five year old granddaughter |
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| 12:54.21 | FieldySnuts | most video cards that have s-video jacks have out but not in, you're sure its an input? |
| 12:54.47 | veleno | FieldySnuts, it's a tv card, bt848 chip. it has the s-video in, i'm pretty sure |
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| 12:55.03 | xoz | gothtec: i bet you are connected. check route or ifconfig if you have an ip address |
| 12:55.15 | gothtec | xoz: well, I have no AP of my own. scanning doesn't work after boot, but I can run dhclient on wlan0, abort it with ctrl+c and THEN scanning will work.. |
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| 12:55.52 | FieldySnuts | veleno: okay, i've never done anything like this in linux, but all I can say is that the video driver (maybe kernel) have to support it first, past that I don't know |
| 12:55.53 | [Timmeh] | sorry but can someone please tell me how i can give localhost permission to edit mysql files? |
| 12:56.18 | abrotman | #mysql |
| 12:56.21 | gothtec | xoz: The reason why I'm setting this up is to use wireless at my school |
| 12:56.26 | xoz | gothtec: yep, weird. it needs to have an AP activated before it can work. at least, you need to use dhclient somehow to activate scnanning. |
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| 12:57.09 | veleno | FieldySnuts, my tv card works fine with xawtv. i'm wondering if i can record stream from a cam, in the same way (or similar?) as i would do to record tv streamings |
| 12:57.22 | FieldySnuts | not sure, never worked with such things |
| 12:57.25 | xoz | gothtec: the good thing about mac is that you just enable sharing of network and it just work. in fact, my linux wireless is connected to my powerbook by wireless and the powerbook is connected to the internet ;( |
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| 12:58.11 | gothtec | xoz: yeah. mac just works. if you wanna change something however, then, by my experience, you have a problem |
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| 12:59.46 | gothtec | xoz: when you can't scan, does wlan0 and wifi0 show up in ifconfig? |
| 12:59.56 | xoz | gothtec: no really, bsd-ish is similar basically to linux. just go to the level of command line and you got the power to basically configure it to your taste. mine is running port collections so basically i got gnu softwares as well as mac softwares. both worlds. |
| 13:00.05 | gothtec | xoz: I did "ifconfig wlan0 up" after boot, and that enables scanning |
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| 13:00.40 | gothtec | xoz: no dhcp, no nothing. "iwlist wlan0 scanning" returns "no scan results" after doing that. airsnort and swscanner work like a charm |
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| 13:01.03 | xoz | gothtec: ill check |
| 13:01.05 | Mortalman | Anyone played with libapache-mod-mp3 ? |
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| 13:01.48 | oldex | hi |
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| 13:01.58 | oldex | can someonehelp me |
| 13:02.11 | oldex | i cant mount my cdrom |
| 13:02.37 | gothtec | xoz: also, a weird effect... after scanning, if I reboot the machine without doing "ifconfig wlan0 down", dhclient fails to fetch an IP on the next boot. I suspect, however, that this has to do with the poor ACPI support in HP Omnibook 6100. With the 2.4 kernel, it couldn't even reboot, just shutdown. If I tried to reboot, it'd just stand there with a blank screen... and in win98 too! |
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| 13:02.56 | gothtec | xoz: fails to fetch an ip on the wired network card, that is |
| 13:03.03 | oldex | problem |
| 13:03.05 | spiekey | hi |
| 13:03.14 | oldex | i cant mount my cdrom |
| 13:03.17 | oldex | hi |
| 13:03.22 | spiekey | how come i cant write a DVD with: cdrecord -v -eject speed=4 dev=/dev/hdc backup.iso ? On testing. |
| 13:03.28 | takatumi | is there some package/tool that can pop a message to another user in a X? |
| 13:03.37 | spiekey | in the man pages it says dvd writing is not supported?! |
| 13:03.43 | cahoot | takatumi: xmessage |
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| 13:04.01 | gothtec | xoz: now I've put "ifconfig wlan0 up" in my startup script, and "ifconfig wlan0 down" in my shutdown script. works like a charm. thanks a bunch! |
| 13:04.01 | abrotman | spiekey: dvdrwtools ? |
| 13:04.14 | FieldySnuts | cdrecord is designed for cds (hence "cd"record) not dvds |
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| 13:04.24 | abrotman | !dvdrecord |
| 13:04.25 | dpkg | i guess dvdrecord is a hacked version of cdrecord within dvdrtools able to burn dvds |
| 13:04.26 | xoz | gothtec: i notice that it will work if essid is set to "" and mode is Managed. ok, the reason mine did not work is that the default mode it has is set to master. the moment i changed it to managed, it works even without AP connection. |
| 13:04.28 | takatumi | cahoot: cheers. |
| 13:04.30 | abrotman | bah .. i give up |
| 13:04.40 | abrotman | spiekey: apt-cache search dvd tools |
| 13:04.47 | gothtec | xoz: how do you change it to managed? |
| 13:05.01 | FieldySnuts | growisofs is what that's for, whatever that comes with |
| 13:05.03 | xoz | gothtec: iwconfig wlan0 mode managed |
| 13:05.16 | abrotman | dvds suck :) |
| 13:05.20 | oldex | it sayin me dat hdc1 is not a valid block device |
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| 13:05.54 | xoz | gothtec: set it at /etc/networking/interfaces... the doc in wireless-tools have example how to set essid and mode when the network is enabled. |
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| 13:06.14 | spiekey | abrotman: and the above command is going to work after i have install dvd+rw-tools? |
| 13:06.38 | abrotman | spiekey: i have no idea .. but i'm pretty suure you need at least those .. but FieldySnuts mentioned growisofs |
| 13:07.02 | abrotman | !listvals dvd |
| 13:07.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'dvd' by value (15 of 32): a/52 ;; daemon-tools ;; daemontools ;; dvb ;; dvd ;; dvd+rw ;; dvda ;; libdvdcss ;; mpaa ;; ogle ;; oms ;; ppp-nt ;; rip dvd ;; sdx ;; xine-dvd-css. |
| 13:07.10 | gothtec | xoz: I'll try that. Btw.. "hostAP"... can others use my laptop as an access point now? that's not ideal, i think... |
| 13:07.16 | xoz | gothtec: it is like: wireless_essid <keyword> ... wireless_mode managed |
| 13:07.45 | xoz | gothtec: sure. i do it to fool my friends. they connect to me instead of the main network ;) |
| 13:08.08 | gothtec | xoz: can I turn that functionality off somehow? or does "managed" do this, maybe? |
| 13:08.34 | FieldySnuts | dvdrwtools or whatever is where you find growisofs which writes a dvd iso to a dvd |
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| 13:08.46 | xoz | gothtec: it should run as Master mode... read the doc is /usr/share/wireless-tools |
| 13:09.10 | xoz | gothtec: use iwconfig or set it in /etc/networks/interfaces |
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| 13:12.12 | xoz | gothtec: detailed info about its setting is in /usr/share/doc/hostap-source/README.gz. got to have dinner, bye. |
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| 13:18.48 | veleno | if i have a multisession cd, how do i mount a given partition on it ? |
| 13:19.39 | FieldySnuts | no such thing as partitions on a cd, no idea |
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| 13:19.59 | Gnea | heh |
| 13:20.30 | abrotman | i heard enlightenment causes cancer |
| 13:20.44 | Gnea | so does your faucet |
| 13:20.46 | veleno | FieldySnuts, yes i mean: i have at least 3 tracks on it, and a simply mounting /dev/hdb at /cdrom works fine, but i can't see any file there |
| 13:20.58 | FieldySnuts | again, no idea |
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| 13:21.10 | abrotman | Gnea: so does freon |
| 13:21.12 | Gnea | everytime you run the water, a cancer cell infects a kitten |
| 13:21.24 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 13:21.33 | gothtec | When a page says "see man foo(5)"... What do I do? |
| 13:21.34 | abrotman | veleno: did you use windows to burn it ? |
| 13:21.38 | asg | gothtec: man 5 foo |
| 13:21.42 | Gnea | abrotman: and fossil fuel exhaust |
| 13:21.42 | gothtec | asg: ah |
| 13:21.57 | abrotman | Gnea: and wisconsin cheese :) |
| 13:22.12 | abrotman | and .. milwaukees best |
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| 13:22.39 | Gnea | abrotman: and new york garbage ;) |
| 13:22.45 | abrotman | i don't have that here |
| 13:22.53 | Gnea | wanna bet? |
| 13:23.02 | abrotman | not in my backyard :) |
| 13:23.03 | Gnea | walk 10 blocks in any direction |
| 13:23.11 | abrotman | Gnea: i live outside philly |
| 13:23.12 | asg | abrotman: so that's what they make the beast out of. |
| 13:23.14 | Gnea | i bet you'll find at least 1 NYS license plate ;) |
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| 13:23.20 | Gnea | abrotman: oh :P |
| 13:23.26 | abrotman | Gnea: heh :) |
| 13:23.41 | Gai4tinh0w | fuck you evebory |
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| 13:23.52 | asg | Gai4tinh0w: at least spell correctly |
| 13:23.58 | FieldySnuts | @fuck Gai4tinh0w |
| 13:24.05 | abrotman | who is evebory? |
| 13:24.16 | asg | !seen evebory |
| 13:24.16 | dpkg | asg: i haven't seen 'evebory' |
| 13:24.32 | abrotman | everybody? |
| 13:24.34 | veleno | abrotman, i used GnomeBaker |
| 13:24.46 | Gai4tinh0w | here there are only gays |
| 13:24.47 | abrotman | veleno: well .. good for you .. it doesn't work for me :) |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | !ops Gai4tinh0w |
| 13:24.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Gai4tinh0w |
| 13:25.00 | Servo888 | My DNS servers went foobar and I can't google for which kernel module is used for the vt6102 (via tech 10/100 ethernet) aka rhine II (I think). |
| 13:25.01 | Gnea | abrotman: i seem to recall small towns surrounded by large wide towers in certain parts of penn :) |
| 13:25.15 | abrotman | Gnea: sounds about right :) |
| 13:25.20 | Gnea | abrotman: with people walking down the street with physical abnormalities ;) |
| 13:25.26 | Gai4tinh0w | gayssssssssssssssss |
| 13:25.28 | abrotman | i don't remember that |
| 13:25.28 | Gnea | and green bumpers on their cars |
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| 13:25.36 | Gnea | you're probably too used to it |
| 13:25.38 | johnnysss | Is sombody using samba here on sarge, just asking if so dose the latest version work ok? |
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| 13:25.42 | asg | thanks caphuso |
| 13:25.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 13:25.43 | abrotman | caphuso: thanks |
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| 13:25.52 | Gnea | !beer caphuso |
| 13:26.00 | abrotman | Gnea: well .. big hospital near my house where i grew up |
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| 13:26.07 | veleno | how can i see if something is inside a cd-r ?.... |
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| 13:26.27 | veleno | mounting doesn't help. |
| 13:26.29 | Gnea | abrotman: i don't remember the name of the town, but whenever i took a greyhound to philly we drove thru it |
| 13:26.35 | caphuso | the data on a cd-r is on the outside... |
| 13:26.46 | abrotman | Gnea: allentown ? |
| 13:26.49 | Gnea | couldn't miss it, the towers were HUGE |
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| 13:27.02 | Gnea | naw, allentown had hills iirc |
| 13:27.05 | Gnea | this place was flat |
| 13:27.16 | mpg | Gnea: the towers went down on sept. 2001 |
| 13:27.20 | unco | anyone played with sebek? |
| 13:27.31 | abrotman | Gnea: from NY to philly? .. it's all hills/mountains .. until you get almost to philly |
| 13:27.33 | Gnea | mpg: you are without intelligence. |
| 13:27.44 | Gnea | abrotman: hrm... |
| 13:27.51 | Gnea | lol |
| 13:27.55 | abrotman | Gnea: maybe you mean ohio ? :) |
| 13:28.00 | Gnea | mpg: very well :) |
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| 13:28.11 | Gnea | mpg: but those are not the towers i speak of |
| 13:28.40 | Gnea | abrotman: no no, quite sure this was penn... sec |
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| 13:30.10 | abrotman | Gnea: you checking a map? |
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| 13:33.41 | Gnea | abrotman: man i'm googling all sorts of shit |
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| 13:34.04 | abrotman | Gnea: state college? |
| 13:34.13 | abrotman | lancaster? |
| 13:34.19 | asg | why google for shit when you can always check out tubgirl |
| 13:34.25 | FieldySnuts | um. |
| 13:34.37 | Phated | Ew. |
| 13:34.40 | FieldySnuts | asg-- |
| 13:34.43 | FieldySnuts | Phated: :) |
| 13:34.46 | Phated | Seconded. |
| 13:34.51 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 13:34.57 | Dabian | Phated: Long time, no sarcasm. :) |
| 13:34.58 | FieldySnuts | bitebite |
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| 13:35.18 | Phated | Bitebite to you too, deary. |
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| 13:35.36 | Gnea | abrotman: hrm, might be limerik |
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| 13:35.53 | Dabian | Phated: Did you just bite Fieldys nuts? |
| 13:36.04 | abrotman | Gnea: limerick? .. that's about 5 miles from my place .. but there's not much of a bus station there |
| 13:36.07 | Gnea | 08:35AM] * Phated bites FieldySnuts. |
| 13:36.13 | abrotman | Gnea: there's not even much of a town :) |
| 13:36.16 | Gnea | that's what it said |
| 13:36.19 | Maulkin | \o/ Blootbot 1.2.0 is now packaged |
| 13:36.29 | Gnea | abrotman: heh |
| 13:36.38 | Gnea | abrotman: we drove thru it |
| 13:36.44 | abrotman | Gnea: i doubt that was it .. how about lebanon or lancaster ? |
| 13:36.51 | Gnea | the bus station is, iirc, a sign post ;) |
| 13:36.54 | Phated | Dabian: Jealous, are you. |
| 13:36.57 | abrotman | Gnea: there would be no reason to drive through limerick ... |
| 13:37.01 | Gnea | abrotman: mighta been, checking |
| 13:37.46 | abrotman | lansdale ? |
| 13:37.53 | Dabian | Phated: Heh .. not really ;) |
| 13:37.55 | FieldySnuts | Badgerdale? |
| 13:38.07 | Phated | There actually -is- a badgerdale? |
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| 13:38.11 | Phated | Dabian: Keep out of it, then. |
| 13:38.20 | FieldySnuts | probably, that state has a lot of odd city n ames |
| 13:38.23 | Dabian | Phated: Eh? |
| 13:38.43 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: no it doesn't :) |
| 13:38.49 | Dabian | !tell krenel about root |
| 13:38.58 | abrotman | Dabian: he was already told |
| 13:38.59 | Dabian | Phated: Was that a threath? |
| 13:39.01 | FieldySnuts | yeah. Intercourse isn't a weird city name. |
| 13:39.11 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: i liek bird-in-hand and blueball :) |
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| 13:39.14 | FieldySnuts | nor is Blueball |
| 13:39.16 | FieldySnuts | heh y eah |
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| 13:39.19 | Dabian | abrotman: How do you know? Was he here earlier? |
| 13:39.25 | abrotman | Dabian: apt tells him |
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| 13:39.52 | FieldySnuts | @win krenel |
| 13:39.53 | krenel | What happened to "xconfig" and what is used now? |
| 13:39.54 | ravenbird | Congratulations, krenel! You have won the US presidency! |
| 13:40.01 | Dabian | abrotman: Oh! Its a new feature! |
| 13:40.02 | abrotman | !drxx krenel |
| 13:40.04 | dpkg | krenel: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 13:40.11 | abrotman | Dabian: uhm .. not in the last year or more |
| 13:40.24 | Dabian | abrotman: Well, new to me. :) |
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| 13:40.34 | abrotman | Dabian: because you don't join as root ? |
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| 13:41.10 | Dabian | abrotman: It didn't do so a while ago .. and people would use "!tell <idiot> about root." |
| 13:41.16 | krenel | What driver to use with GeForce2? |
| 13:41.28 | Dabian | abrotman: I guess I can stop now. ;-) |
| 13:41.32 | asg | Dabian: sometimes, apt isn't on channel and then we toll the idiots. |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | Dabian: usually only if apt doesn't go "rooot has lannded" |
| 13:41.49 | asg | krenel: /msg dpkg nvidia (or use the Xfree nv driver) |
| 13:42.00 | asg | s/toll/tell/ |
| 13:42.07 | Dabian | ok, cool |
| 13:42.37 | Dabian | Is there a channel homepage? |
| 13:42.46 | asg | Dabian: /msg dpkg faq |
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| 13:42.59 | krenel | asg: thanks |
| 13:43.03 | asg | krenel: you're welcome |
| 13:43.25 | krenel | /exit |
| 13:43.34 | Dabian | Who is Marcelo E. Magallon? |
| 13:44.05 | seth | What file is my apt complaining for when it says "Couldn't access keyring: No such file or directory" after an update? |
| 13:44.26 | Dabian | He seems to maintain 173 bugs in a package ... |
| 13:44.29 | asg | seth: probably something to do with gpg. Which package is it complaining about? |
| 13:44.34 | Dabian | a lot of them marked important.. |
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| 13:45.36 | seth | asg, It's not a package. It's a warning isseud at the end after having downloaded the package lists. It complains for all feeds it used. |
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| 13:46.26 | asg | seth: hmmm, it probably is gpg related though I've no idea where that might be configured. |
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| 13:46.36 | asg | !wb xk |
| 13:46.37 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! xk has returned! |
| 13:47.22 | mpg | seth: check out the output of "gpg -k" - do you have the required gpg keys ? |
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| 13:47.57 | seth | asg, haven't ever used gpg. I'll see if I can figure it out. I just wonder where those warnings suddenly came from. If you haven't set up anything in gpg neither, why don't you get those messages, too? |
| 13:48.29 | asg | seth: is this a debian system or some based-on debian system? |
| 13:48.52 | seth | asg, debian unstable |
| 13:49.04 | asg | paulswm: well, greycat certainly knows it |
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| 13:49.32 | paulswm | asg: Yes, I bet he even has a vorpal sword |
| 13:49.57 | seth | mpg, ok, no keys. No wonder it doesn't work. Is there an easy way to generate the keys or do I have to read the gpg docs (which I will, but it's still quicker to ask)? |
| 13:50.03 | asg | paulswm: indeed |
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| 13:50.57 | paulswm | asg: Not sure when you rose, but CNN has had nothing except the non-abduction story for at least FIVE HOURS this morning |
| 13:51.05 | mpg | sether: there is something like "gpg --recv-keys --keyserver HOST" |
| 13:51.12 | paulswm | opps, sorry, OT |
| 13:51.14 | asg | paulswm: yeah, so has fox and msnbc |
| 13:51.32 | mpg | sether: you need to know the key IDs and pick a server |
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| 13:51.48 | paulswm | asg: Make note to become a white, middle/upper class attractive woman prior to being abducted/murdered |
| 13:52.00 | asg | paulswm: apparently |
| 13:52.12 | K_Dallas | ;) CNN is not a news agency by any standards |
| 13:52.14 | asg | paulswm: don't forget having political connections |
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| 13:53.02 | paulswm | asg: Last night, a local woman was bound and abducted by her ex who has been threatening her life for months, but don't expect to see it on CNN becasue she is fat, ugly and poor |
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| 13:53.29 | seth | mpg, thanks. I'll try this. |
| 13:53.41 | asg | paulswm: indeed, you can't sell cars, booze, and frozen pizza with that lead story. |
| 13:53.49 | darkvader | seth: how's the dark force ;) |
| 13:53.53 | paulswm | Heh, good point asg |
| 13:54.28 | asg | paulswm: at least 24/7 popeTV is over. |
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| 13:55.04 | resiak | asg: www.pope.tv? |
| 13:55.20 | paulswm | asg: Indeed. Why do CNN pick up something and flog it to death to the exclusion of all other news? |
| 13:55.21 | asg | resiak: hehe |
| 13:55.28 | xk | :) |
| 13:55.47 | asg | paulswm: not a clue; that's probably why I'm not employed by cable news. |
| 13:55.48 | resiak | paulswm: Perhaps they're into over-the-top BDSM? |
| 13:55.53 | xk | trying to get racer working... but failing :/ |
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| 13:56.05 | FieldySnuts | don't feel too bad, it kinda sucks |
| 13:56.19 | paulswm | resiak: it would be sadism, necrophilia and bestiality: flogging a dead horse |
| 13:56.29 | Gnea | dude |
| 13:56.31 | resiak | paulswm: Hahah. |
| 13:56.32 | Gnea | i just read cnn.com |
| 13:56.40 | Gnea | she's from georgia |
| 13:56.43 | Gnea | and she looks like a horse |
| 13:56.45 | Gnea | ;) |
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| 13:56.54 | paulswm | I thought she was cute, actually |
| 13:56.57 | resiak | paulswm: I'm listening to "Flossing A Dead Horse" as we speak :) |
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| 13:57.09 | Gnea | cute looking sure, but obviously not right 'up there' |
| 13:57.11 | paulswm | !resiak++ |
| 13:57.37 | resiak | Heh. |
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| 13:58.44 | asg | paulswm: in local news, a pending thunder storm watch indicates my neighbor's umbrella will end up in my garden again. |
| 13:59.45 | abrotman | asg: possession is 9/10 law |
| 13:59.56 | paulswm | asg: Last year, my house took direct hits from three hurricane eyewalls, part of my neighbor's roof ended up in my garden :) |
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| 14:00.13 | asg | abrotman: yeah, the law doesn't allow me to beat them with it though. |
| 14:00.20 | mortalman | hmm, possesion. I posess a copy of XP. Am I in my legal rights to use it? lol |
| 14:00.23 | asg | paulswm: ouch |
| 14:00.30 | abrotman | asg: it is if they come on your property to get it . that's trespassing! |
| 14:00.36 | FieldySnuts | posessing and owning are different |
| 14:00.56 | asg | abrotman: :) |
| 14:00.58 | mortalman | think about that for a moment. |
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| 14:01.24 | mpg | just very briefly |
| 14:01.37 | mpg | um. no. |
| 14:02.21 | paulswm | asg: My house took about $10K of damage, inculding the mangling of my steel, reinforced, garage door. On all three occasions, the wind was 100MPH+, lots of damage |
| 14:02.53 | asg | paulswm: that's right, you are in FL aren't you? |
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| 14:03.27 | paulswm | asg: Yes, about 6 miles S of Kissimmee |
| 14:03.39 | asg | paulswm: ah |
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| 14:04.02 | mpg | paulswm: is the insurence company even willing to sign a contract with you? |
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| 14:04.42 | paulswm | asg: very, very frightening, wind was a deafening howling roar for over an hour at a time, it feels as though it is a malevolent thing coming after you personally |
| 14:04.59 | Sm4sh | Which is the best client email?Sylpheed? |
| 14:05.08 | FieldySnuts | nature makes you feel tiny, i've been too close to a few tornadoes myself |
| 14:05.12 | paulswm | mpg: Yes, insurance has to by law if they want to do business in FL |
| 14:05.13 | asg | paulswm: I remember Hugo, it made it into Charlotte and we had similar conditions. |
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| 14:05.17 | FieldySnuts | it's interesting till the damn thing is too close |
| 14:05.23 | Gnea | heh |
| 14:05.47 | Gnea | FieldySnuts: i've seen them swirl overhead but have yet to see a funnel cloud |
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| 14:06.03 | Rincevent | hello |
| 14:06.04 | mpg | paulswm: hm. I suppose the law does not say what the maximum fee is ... |
| 14:06.06 | paulswm | FieldySnuts is dead right, I have had other frightening experiences, but none quite so primally terrifying as that howling and shaking |
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| 14:06.42 | FieldySnuts | i'm a big fan of weather and what not but there's a line which once you cross it, it's no longer just interesting and now you're in serious danger |
| 14:06.53 | FieldySnuts | there's no mistaking when you cross it |
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| 14:07.04 | Gnea | yeah |
| 14:07.09 | paulswm | mpg: Not sure exactly what the rules are, but homeowner's insurance is not that expensive and deductibles are low |
| 14:07.24 | c459s | Hi, I just brought a debian computer with me home from work. This meant that I had to change the ip adress to fit my home network, however now I get this weird network error, and my debian computer is unable to ping any of the other computers on my home network. The error I am getting is "eth0: using nway device table, not 8". Anyone have an idea as to how to fix this? |
| 14:07.46 | xk | c459s: what network card? |
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| 14:08.02 | c459s | 3com905c |
| 14:08.04 | xk | c459s: how did you change the IP address? |
| 14:08.06 | Gnea | c459s: did you set the interfaces right? |
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| 14:08.14 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: Amen to that, the trick is to realize where the line is before you cross it :) |
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| 14:08.31 | FieldySnuts | @lart skiold |
| 14:08.34 | c459s | Yes, I simply edited /etc/networks/interfaces as I use to when I change static ip adresses. |
| 14:08.40 | xk | FieldySnuts: I can't even get it to show any graphics :((( |
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| 14:08.49 | anto9us | I would have thought the trick is to know where the line is before not crossing it |
| 14:08.50 | c459s | then I run ifdown eth0, ifup eth0. |
| 14:08.54 | FieldySnuts | @ops skiold join/part flooding |
| 14:08.57 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: skiold join/part flooding |
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| 14:09.11 | Gnea | hrm |
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| 14:09.28 | FieldySnuts | sorry didn't see xk sitting right there |
| 14:09.33 | Gnea | heh |
| 14:09.34 | Bwl | Is there a way to mount a new swap device without rebooting? |
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| 14:09.35 | c459s | I dont quite understand the error "eth0: using nway device table, not 8" either - what is the system trying to tell me? |
| 14:09.45 | Gnea | Bwl: yeah |
| 14:09.48 | FieldySnuts | @vaugeness |
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| 14:09.55 | Bwl | Gnea: I've tried to find out how, any ideas? |
| 14:09.57 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hi |
| 14:09.58 | ravenbird | niihau, fieldysnuts |
| 14:10.00 | Phated | FieldySnuts: @typos. ;) |
| 14:10.02 | Gnea | Bwl: set it, format it, turn it on |
| 14:10.04 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: The wmaker package has 173 bugs, many of them are important. |
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| 14:10.07 | FieldySnuts | Phated: I did? |
| 14:10.10 | Gnea | Bwl: mkswap && swapon |
| 14:10.14 | Phated | @vagueness |
| 14:10.15 | FieldySnuts | Dabian: I didn't ask. |
| 14:10.15 | ravenbird | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 14:10.17 | FieldySnuts | ble |
| 14:10.20 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
| 14:10.21 | Bwl | Gnea: Ah, swapon and not mount. Thanks! |
| 14:10.33 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: I will. |
| 14:10.38 | Gnea | Phated: suck it :) |
| 14:10.38 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Yes, you did. |
| 14:10.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o xk] by xk |
| 14:10.48 | Phated | Gnea: Eh, fuck off. |
| 14:10.54 | Gnea | lol |
| 14:11.03 | FieldySnuts | i'm confused now |
| 14:11.13 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: Wouldn't it be a good idea to file a grave bug against it "Has too many bugs", so that it doesn't go in woody? |
| 14:11.13 | Gnea | i love it when she does that |
| 14:11.15 | FieldySnuts | @crush Dabian |
| 14:11.18 | Dabian | sarge, even. |
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| 14:11.40 | c459s | xk, gnea: any ideas? :) |
| 14:11.51 | xk | c459s: googled for that message? |
| 14:11.52 | Dabian | !hit FieldySnuts |
| 14:11.58 | Gnea | now now kiddies |
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| 14:12.07 | Phated | Look who's talking. |
| 14:12.24 | c459s | xk: yes, but I didnt find any obvious answers for my case. |
| 14:12.29 | xk | c459s: I was going to try a 3com905c card a few days ago... but realized it was my intel e100 card that didn't like being "first" (with two ethernet cards). |
| 14:12.30 | Bwl | Wow, didn't think extra swap space would make such a difference. From 128Mb -> 512Mb was a good choice. |
| 14:12.46 | xk | oh well... 2 e100's is good enough ;) |
| 14:12.46 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: Is Phated your pseudo-spouse? |
| 14:12.50 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump Dabian |
| 14:12.51 | dabreegster | What is, as they say, up? |
| 14:12.53 | c459s | ;) |
| 14:13.09 | Gnea | c459s: did you have some firewall options defined? |
| 14:13.13 | Bwl | I have 2 e100's aswell .. :) |
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| 14:14.08 | xk | c459s: what kernel? |
| 14:14.15 | c459s | Gnea: No, not on this linux computer. |
| 14:14.32 | Gnea | c459s: nothing at all? what about ip forwarding? |
| 14:14.51 | xk | looks like it's not 2.6.x for sure. |
| 14:15.38 | c459s | I am running an old kernel for sure. This is a debian potato :) However, it strucks me as weird that this worked fine at work, but not here. |
| 14:15.50 | Gnea | oh man... |
| 14:15.51 | Dabian | I ask you, wouldn't it be a good idea to file a grave bug against wmaker "Has too many bugs", so that it doesn't go in sarge? wmaker 173 bugs, where a lot of them are important. I guess I also found a serious flaw that isn't even filed yet ... |
| 14:15.52 | xk | c459s: what has changed from work and home? |
| 14:15.54 | Gnea | potato |
| 14:16.11 | Dabian | s/173/has 173/ |
| 14:16.13 | xk | c459s: btw, that error message doesn't exist in 2.6.x kernel, heh. |
| 14:16.14 | c459s | xk: Well, as far as I know, only the ip adress :/ |
| 14:16.31 | Gnea | Dabian: people keep filing bugs but do they ever get solved? |
| 14:16.33 | xk | c459s: so the error message didn't happen at work? |
| 14:16.42 | c459s | no |
| 14:16.49 | FieldySnuts | xk: I can't even find basic documentation on racer (such as how to make it show up in a window or full screen etc), irritating |
| 14:16.50 | Dabian | Gnea: Thats the point .. so I think not wmaker should be in sarge, with all those bugs. |
| 14:16.51 | xk | c459s: or did the network work... but error message still occured? |
| 14:17.03 | Dabian | Gnea: Grave is release critical. |
| 14:17.05 | xk | FieldySnuts: edit racer.ini, search for fullscreen :) |
| 14:17.18 | xk | FieldySnuts: I can't evne make it show any graphics... it's just a 100% transparent window :((( |
| 14:17.19 | lef|afk | I am running sarge with a default kernel, how can I get a 2.6 kernel? |
| 14:17.25 | c459s | xk: that may be - the network worked at work at least. |
| 14:17.29 | Dabian | Gnea: Maybe the bug should be "has more than 100 bugs". |
| 14:17.37 | asg | lef|afk: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one that suits from the list provided) |
| 14:17.39 | xk | c459s: is the cable plugged into the nic? :) |
| 14:17.41 | FieldySnuts | oh well can't say I expect much from a project with almost zero activity in 2 years |
| 14:17.42 | dabreegster | lef|afk: you might already be running one. uname -r |
| 14:17.57 | xk | FieldySnuts: well, check the beta.. it's active for sure |
| 14:18.02 | xk | FieldySnuts: but official page is "dead" |
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| 14:18.05 | lef|afk | dabreegster, 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 14:18.06 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: Are you talking about debian? |
| 14:18.10 | xk | FieldySnuts: forums are fine aswell |
| 14:18.20 | dabreegster | lef|afk: grab a kernel image |
| 14:18.35 | lef|afk | yes yes, thank you guys :-) |
| 14:18.44 | c459s | xk: hehe, yes, and the switch shows that its connected ;) |
| 14:18.56 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: While it might be true that quality of debian has gone down, over the last years, there is much more software to maintain, and a lot of people are working very hard between the flames. |
| 14:18.57 | Gnea | Retrieving bug reports... Done |
| 14:19.03 | Gnea | heh, that took awhile |
| 14:19.12 | xk | c459s: hrm... I would upgrade the kernel, to see if there's any difference. |
| 14:19.13 | FieldySnuts | Dabian: please stop talking at me, this is a one way conversation, and I don't care. |
| 14:19.22 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: You' keep talking. |
| 14:19.26 | xk | c459s: 2.2.x kernel right now? |
| 14:19.28 | FieldySnuts | Fuck off. |
| 14:19.38 | Dabian | Nice language you have there. |
| 14:19.45 | lef|afk | FieldySnuts: no need to use such language dude |
| 14:19.45 | FieldySnuts | ignored so the rest of the channel doesn't have to see this.. |
| 14:19.51 | FieldySnuts | lef|afk: fuck you, too. |
| 14:19.59 | FieldySnuts | anyone else want some? |
| 14:20.03 | Dabian | Did you have to get laid by by hairy dudes with big motorcycles to get that? |
| 14:20.06 | lef|afk | FieldySnuts: whatever |
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| 14:20.14 | trygvebw | Is there any cross-compilation tools in the Debian repos? |
| 14:20.20 | Phated | FieldySnuts: -ot, and if you say fuck you, I believe I will. |
| 14:20.25 | FieldySnuts | Phated: !!! |
| 14:20.30 | FieldySnuts | bad bad heh |
| 14:20.37 | c459s | xk: actually - its running on 2.4.3 |
| 14:20.37 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Precisely. -ot. :) |
| 14:20.38 | Gnea | Dabian: fuck you and your fucking language issue. |
| 14:20.42 | FieldySnuts | make me :) |
| 14:20.59 | Dabian | Gnea: You're an old troll. |
| 14:21.19 | Dabian | You're banned from #FreeNODE for the same reason. |
| 14:21.27 | Gnea | i am? |
| 14:21.37 | Gnea | no one banned me from there |
| 14:21.42 | Gnea | i left and just didn't go back |
| 14:21.45 | Gnea | there's a difference |
| 14:21.46 | xk | c459s: redhat? :) |
| 14:21.46 | Dabian | Gnea: You were, don't know if you still are after your nickchange. |
| 14:21.56 | Gnea | Dabian: nickchange? |
| 14:22.02 | FieldySnuts | who is this ass? |
| 14:22.05 | Dabian | Gnea: Hostmask change. |
| 14:22.08 | Gnea | Dabian: you've got me confused with someone else then |
| 14:22.12 | Gnea | no |
| 14:22.17 | Gnea | i've had this domain for years |
| 14:22.19 | Dabian | Gnea: You can join? |
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| 14:22.34 | Dabian | Oh .. you're away. |
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| 14:22.41 | caphuso | ok, what the hell is going on now? |
| 14:22.53 | Gnea | i just joined and left |
| 14:22.56 | asg | caphuso: fun, adventure, and really wild things |
| 14:22.56 | Gnea | with no problem |
| 14:22.56 | FieldySnuts | I don't know but Dabian is managing to piss us off badly |
| 14:23.08 | FieldySnuts | I'd like to say sorry for the fuck off business. I didn't mean it. |
| 14:23.11 | Gnea | Dabian has no idea what s/he is talking about |
| 14:23.26 | caphuso | just a bunch of people with nothing better to do wasting each other's time like a quick scrolling up seems to imply or something more serious? |
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| 14:23.50 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: You are often here helping out, you were being perstered, I think your reaction was perfectly normal |
| 14:23.54 | Gnea | caphuso: yeah basically, getting all pissed off and silly words instead of real content |
| 14:24.01 | Gnea | s/and/at/ |
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| 14:24.41 | c458s | uff, got disconnected. |
| 14:24.42 | FieldySnuts | the threats of being banned in a channel you weren't in anyway, were rather odd |
| 14:24.48 | c458s | xk: did you say anything about redhat? ;) |
| 14:24.50 | xk | c458s: heh. |
| 14:24.57 | xk | c458s: is this a redhat box? |
| 14:25.03 | c458s | no, its a debian potato box. |
| 14:25.14 | xk | so a non-debian precompiled kernel? |
| 14:25.30 | c458s | no, I compiled the kernel myself a long long time ago :) |
| 14:25.35 | xk | er, not a non-debian precompiled kernel |
| 14:25.39 | Gnea | heh. |
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| 14:26.22 | xk | that message doesn't even exist in 2.4.27 ;) |
| 14:26.28 | paulswm | Hi caphuso, welcom eto another D=#deian wekkend :P |
| 14:26.32 | xk | try upgrading kernel. |
| 14:26.37 | paulswm | scuse typos |
| 14:26.37 | c458s | xk: I will, thanks :) |
| 14:26.37 | FieldySnuts | xk: you aren't missing much. you can't even set the most basic of settings such a resolution in the game. |
| 14:26.52 | abrotman | paulswm: i'm gonna get you banned from #genbian!!! |
| 14:26.54 | xk | FieldySnuts: what graphics card do you have? |
| 14:26.55 | FieldySnuts | and it gives you a borderless window to play in... |
| 14:27.03 | xk | FieldySnuts: I'm surprised it doesn't even work |
| 14:27.05 | FieldySnuts | Nvidia 5900FX |
| 14:27.08 | Gnea | c458s: is this box going back to work or just a weekend thing? |
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| 14:27.19 | xk | bah. no matrox support |
| 14:27.21 | paulswm | !win abrotman |
| 14:27.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 14:27.25 | FieldySnuts | oh well guess i'll mess with it for a few seconds. |
| 14:27.30 | caphuso | paulswm: hehe, i'm rather preoccupied lately and get to miss most of the insanity in here :-P |
| 14:27.35 | xk | if it supports opengl, it should work |
| 14:27.36 | xk | but no. |
| 14:27.42 | abrotman | !prise paulswm |
| 14:27.51 | abrotman | paulswm: that factoid never works for me :) |
| 14:27.52 | xk | FieldySnuts: which version of racer do you have? |
| 14:27.53 | Gnea | caphuso: that's not necessarily a bad thing ;) |
| 14:27.56 | paulswm | caphuso: I have been the last week also, tons of Real Work |
| 14:28.14 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 14:28.35 | paulswm | abrotman: I like the goat one best, but I rarely seem to hit it |
| 14:28.56 | xk | I'll bitch to the forum |
| 14:28.59 | abrotman | yeah . maybe it's broken |
| 14:29.10 | abrotman | dpkg: you need a better random number generator |
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| 14:30.16 | xoz | !random |
| 14:30.46 | xk | ;) that internal function doesn't fix up (...) |
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| 14:30.47 | asg | abrotman: that's because dpkg reads from /dev/zero |
| 14:30.47 | FieldySnuts | heh |
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| 14:30.56 | Dabian | OK :: I will take a poll |
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| 14:30.59 | Gnea | abrotman: http://photos6.flickr.com/11529363_48da49c737.jpg |
| 14:31.03 | Dabian | Who thinks I should file the bugreport? |
| 14:31.04 | Gnea | abrotman: :) |
| 14:31.08 | FieldySnuts | xk: the thing doesn't even have sound... total hack, though it looks really really pretty.. but that's all it does |
| 14:31.12 | Dabian | Anyone else than abrotman? |
| 14:31.36 | xk | FieldySnuts: get fmod, copy libfmod*.so, add symlink. |
| 14:31.36 | FieldySnuts | I already have it |
| 14:31.43 | Gnea | Dabian: i have a better idea - make the decision on your own and think for yourself. |
| 14:31.44 | xk | ldd /usr/games/racer/racer.bin |
| 14:31.47 | FieldySnuts | i'm not too worried, this has proven pointless |
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| 14:32.02 | Dabian | Gnea: Individualist! |
| 14:32.10 | Gnea | Dabian: damn straight! |
| 14:32.25 | joe|code | Is the net install a good way to go? |
| 14:32.30 | asg | joe|code: yes |
| 14:32.34 | Gnea | joe|code: it can be |
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| 14:32.39 | Phated | Unless you're on dialup. |
| 14:32.39 | asg | joe|code: unless your network hardware isn't supported |
| 14:32.40 | Dabian | !kill Gnea |
| 14:33.31 | Gnea | !troll Dabian |
| 14:33.33 | Phated | But, y'know, even if you were on dialup, you poor thing, it would still be better than downloading all the CDs. |
| 14:33.38 | Gnea | !ops Dabian |
| 14:33.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Dabian |
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| 14:33.49 | caphuso | Gnea: don't abuse !ops |
| 14:33.49 | Schnitz | hi all |
| 14:33.50 | asg | Phated: yes |
| 14:33.59 | Gnea | caphuso: please, educate me |
| 14:33.59 | Phated | asg: Hello, hello, how are you? |
| 14:34.03 | Schnitz | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 14:34.03 | Schnitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.04 | caphuso | i just did |
| 14:34.06 | Schnitz | how can i fix that? |
| 14:34.08 | asg | Phated: good and yourself? |
| 14:34.09 | Gnea | lol |
| 14:34.12 | joe|code | I am using broadband, I will burn the iso now and install. be back soon. |
| 14:34.13 | Phated | asg: Not bad. |
| 14:34.15 | Gnea | ok |
| 14:34.17 | Schnitz | because it says that libartsc0 is already the newest version |
| 14:34.27 | Dabian | Gnea: tHATS "Don't use !ops" for you. |
| 14:34.48 | Gnea | caphuso: please... |
| 14:34.56 | Gnea | wait |
| 14:35.07 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:35.11 | Gnea | nevermind |
| 14:35.16 | xoz | bunch of children crying for wolf |
| 14:35.21 | Dabian | asg: Who are they? |
| 14:35.25 | FieldySnuts | Dabian is just a poor troll |
| 14:35.27 | Gnea | i just implemented that ignore thing |
| 14:35.34 | Dabian | !kill FieldySnuts |
| 14:35.34 | FieldySnuts | yeah I think I will too |
| 14:35.39 | caphuso | FieldySnuts: he's a bit mentally limited |
| 14:35.42 | asg | Dabian: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 14:35.46 | FieldySnuts | a *bit*? |
| 14:35.47 | xoz | heh |
| 14:35.50 | asg | Dabian: http://www.abbottandcostello.net/ |
| 14:35.58 | caphuso | but that bot abusing could stop |
| 14:36.09 | paulswm | !botabuse |
| 14:36.09 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 14:36.23 | paulswm | It is completely nuts here today, it would appear |
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| 14:36.42 | caphuso | we should have a decicated bot for all that nonsense |
| 14:36.44 | Gnea | just some wannabe FSF nut making himself and the FSF look bad |
| 14:36.50 | asg | caphuso: #debian-bots |
| 14:36.56 | caphuso | would make ignoring it feasible |
| 14:37.22 | AjB | where can i ask newbie questions? |
| 14:37.24 | FieldySnuts | Gnea: yeah. |
| 14:37.31 | asg | AjB: in here, if it's debian related |
| 14:37.36 | FieldySnuts | AjB: here, just try and ask good questions with enough informatin |
| 14:37.38 | Gnea | !tell AjB about ask |
| 14:37.40 | FieldySnuts | tion |
| 14:37.44 | Gnea | :) |
| 14:38.09 | Dabian | FieldySnuts: You're a gnat. |
| 14:38.19 | abrotman | what bug? |
| 14:38.33 | abrotman | Gnea: where'st hat picture from? |
| 14:38.54 | Dabian | asg: Never heard of them before .. their faces doesn't ring any bells. |
| 14:39.11 | AjB | ok i installed sarge using netloader - everything went great, x86free is running and all, but now when I sit in BASH, these lines that say DROPPED IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=(a mac address) SRC=(an IP) DST=(an IP) etc..... its kind of annoying cause i cant see what im doing |
| 14:39.21 | asg | AjB: /msg dpkg klogd |
| 14:39.37 | AjB | ahhh |
| 14:40.11 | Gnea | abrotman: allentown |
| 14:40.13 | AjB | ok, second question |
| 14:40.25 | abrotman | Gnea: ah . ok |
| 14:40.56 | Dabian | !kick caphuso |
| 14:41.08 | Gnea | AjB: heh, that's in console right? when you ctrl-alt-f1? |
| 14:41.16 | AjB | yeah |
| 14:41.21 | AjB | all over |
| 14:41.24 | AjB | constantly spamming me |
| 14:41.31 | xoz | AjB: also check if it's generated by a firewall |
| 14:41.35 | AjB | i think it is |
| 14:41.35 | Phated | paulswm: Dumber 'n owlshit, one might say. |
| 14:41.39 | caphuso | Dabian: my kicks are better... and if you don't want to see one, stop being annoying |
| 14:41.41 | xk | hrmmm |
| 14:41.44 | asg | xoz: it is, it's just klogd spamming his console |
| 14:41.44 | AjB | i have guarddog installed, but i thought that was only for xfree86 |
| 14:41.48 | paulswm | !prize Phated |
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| 14:41.57 | dabreegster | Phated: I dunno. Owl feces can be intelligent. |
| 14:42.06 | xoz | ah |
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| 14:42.12 | Dabian | caphuso: You call me a retard, and then claim *I* am being annoying? |
| 14:42.23 | Phated | dabreegster: More intelligent than this lot, certainly. How are you, by the way? |
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| 14:42.36 | paulswm | dabreegster: it's a colloquialism of my better half, the owlshit thing, she's from Kentucky |
| 14:42.57 | AjB | so i just nano'd /etc/init.d/klogd, what line do i need to edit? |
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| 14:43.08 | asg | AjB: the KLOGD="" |
| 14:43.11 | dabreegster | Phated: goodish. I didnt see H2G2 yesterday because not enough of my friends could go, but I'm going today, probably. I hope Danielle can go though; she stayed home from school yesterday. |
| 14:43.16 | asg | AjB: put -c 1 in there |
| 14:43.24 | asg | AjB: and /etc/init.d/klogd restart |
| 14:43.29 | AjB | so the line says KLOGD="-c 1" |
| 14:43.34 | Dabian | ///////join #Emacs |
| 14:43.38 | Phated | dabreegster: Is she OK? I haven't sene H2G2 either; it seems none of the cinemas are showing it *sob*. |
| 14:43.39 | asg | AjB: yep |
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| 14:43.44 | AjB | awesome, thanks |
| 14:43.48 | asg | AjB: you're welcome |
| 14:43.59 | udreka | Hi, can a normal user install .deb's in his own home dir w/out interfering with the system? |
| 14:44.01 | asg | AjB: also check our channel faq (/msg dpkg faq) for answers to other common questions |
| 14:44.06 | Gnea | is Dabian still here? |
| 14:44.08 | resiak | udreka: Short answer -- no. |
| 14:44.15 | AjB | okay, i will |
| 14:44.16 | asg | Gnea: /whois Dabian |
| 14:44.19 | udreka | long answer? |
| 14:44.23 | caphuso | Gnea: yes, but he's working hard on changing that |
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| 14:44.26 | dabreegster | Phated: I hope. But things are generally better. I found some really wicked trance music the other day |
| 14:44.35 | Phated | dabreegster: Awesome. |
| 14:44.43 | xoz | off-topic again |
| 14:45.25 | resiak | udreka: No. It's quicker to build from source. |
| 14:45.28 | AjB | what are my options if 'discover' doesnt detect my onboard (soundblaster vibra16) sound? |
| 14:45.33 | Gnea | binary finary |
| 14:45.34 | nevyn | sigh trance should die. |
| 14:45.46 | dabreegster | thingfish: Astral Projection's stuff is awesome |
| 14:45.57 | Gnea | nevyn: pardon? |
| 14:46.30 | dabreegster | nevyn: why? Because you don't like it? |
| 14:46.41 | xoz | AjB: place the name of the module in /etc/modules |
| 14:46.53 | udreka | rasiak: thanks |
| 14:47.03 | nevyn | because everyone with a joint and a copy of ACID thinks they can write trance. |
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| 14:47.24 | Phated | Shouldn't they be the ones dying, then, not trance? |
| 14:47.32 | nevyn | good point. |
| 14:47.36 | Gnea | nevyn: yeah, lot of wannabes out there, gotta sift... doesn't mean nuke the whole thing |
| 14:47.39 | AjB | hmm... is there special way i should be putting in this name |
| 14:47.45 | dabreegster | nevyn: well, the same with classic rock 'n roll. But that stuff is still good. Blue World, White Rabbit, Incense and Peppermints, all that stuff. |
| 14:48.11 | thingfish | dabreegster: I'll have to look for them. |
| 14:48.44 | xk | progressive trance, bleh. |
| 14:49.04 | thingfish | plonk |
| 14:49.18 | xk | FieldySnuts: same tihng with 5.0.0. something is seriously fucked. |
| 14:49.21 | AjB | lspci doesnt list my audio card |
| 14:49.25 | dabreegster | thingfish: Astral Projection's stuff? Try Kabalah, People Can Fly, and Mahadeva. Listen with headphones and no light except the glow of the console, if possible. It'll readjust your view on reality. |
| 14:49.38 | thingfish | dabreegster: sounds nice. |
| 14:49.40 | xk | lol. glxgears doesn't work either |
| 14:49.41 | dabreegster | AjB: you sure it's pci? |
| 14:49.53 | xk | it worked a month ago :( |
| 14:49.55 | AjB | its not |
| 14:49.56 | thingfish | dabreegster: I don't know individual groups very much, just DJs. |
| 14:49.58 | AjB | its onboard |
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| 14:50.11 | AjB | so im not quite sure what that makes it actually |
| 14:50.17 | thingfish | dabreegster: you know about protonradio? |
| 14:50.36 | dabreegster | thingfish: Paul Oakenfold is cool. Yeah, I'm just now getting into mainstream trance; before I was all videogame remixes. And no, what's that? (regarding the radio?) |
| 14:50.36 | thingfish | they're pretty good sometimes. |
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| 14:51.09 | thingfish | dabreegster: protonradio.com. very nice progressive/underground/breaks etc. |
| 14:51.29 | dabreegster | thingfish: I'll check it out |
| 14:51.31 | thingfish | yeah, Paul Oakenfold is cool, but I worship John Digweed. |
| 14:52.05 | thingfish | Chris Fortier, James Lauer, Satoshi Tomiie... |
| 14:52.11 | streuner | yeah, Sacha & John are great |
| 14:52.20 | dabreegster | I don't really know individual DJs |
| 14:52.24 | Gnea | dabreegster: i'm more into Ritchie Hawtin/Paul Burke |
| 14:52.50 | xk | how many BPM progressive trance? like 120? |
| 14:52.59 | xk | er, is |
| 14:53.03 | Gnea | heh, bpm... |
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| 14:53.25 | Gnea | bpm was like, the mainstream trashbag of trance |
| 14:53.34 | dabreegster | Gnea: what's so funny? beats per minute |
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| 14:54.15 | Gnea | dabreegster: that was the name of a group that mixed a bunch of tracks together IIRC |
| 14:54.39 | dabreegster | ah |
| 14:54.47 | c458s | How can I setup an iptable rule that says "Forward all external traffic to 1.1.1.1 on port 85 to 192.168.1.10 on port 20"? |
| 14:54.48 | win2lin | what is the "tar" command for taking backup of entire debain system? |
| 14:54.59 | caphuso | win2lin: /msg dpkg tar |
| 14:55.01 | Gnea | it was a constant set, there was a lot of good and bad involved |
| 14:55.01 | xk | !debain |
| 14:55.02 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 14:55.08 | asg | c458s: try #iptables |
| 14:55.20 | c458s | asg; Just did, it seemed dead :/ |
| 14:55.27 | xk | I'm puzzled as to how I broke 3d support on my box. |
| 14:55.35 | win2lin | caphuso: i didnt get u |
| 14:55.41 | asg | c458s: be patient |
| 14:55.43 | xk | c458s: I can give you the lines... just rework it for your system. |
| 14:55.47 | caphuso | !tell win2lin -about tar |
| 14:55.49 | asg | xk: new kernel perhaps? |
| 14:56.07 | Gnea | c458s: are you in the 2.4 kernel now or still back on 2.2? |
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| 14:56.21 | win2lin | i want the tar options for taking backup of entire debain system |
| 14:56.21 | nevyn | night |
| 14:56.24 | asg | night |
| 14:56.37 | c458s | gnea: 2.4 now :) |
| 14:56.49 | Gnea | c458s: ah ok, did you upgrade to woody or something? |
| 14:56.55 | caphuso | win2lin: there isn't a "one size fits all" tar invocation |
| 14:57.11 | c458s | Gnea: Actually this is another computer ;) |
| 14:57.21 | Gnea | c458s: ah ok ;) |
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| 14:57.41 | xk | asg: hrm... not really sure. I haven't rebooted for 3 weeks. |
| 14:57.44 | Sm4sh | What is the best terminal for gnome? |
| 14:57.48 | Gnea | heh, i just found The Ultimate Woofer Test |
| 14:57.51 | xk | asg: glxgears shows nothing. |
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| 14:58.12 | Gnea | Sm4sh: gnome-terminal |
| 14:58.14 | Dabian | resiak: ? |
| 14:58.14 | win2lin | so for taking backup of my entire debain system ,what is the perfect command? |
| 14:58.35 | Mage__ | man rsync |
| 14:58.38 | Dabian | win2lin: dump |
| 14:58.40 | Gnea | !tell win2lin about rsync |
| 14:58.51 | Sm4sh | Gnea: its slow for my pc :( |
| 14:58.53 | Dabian | !tell Gnea about dump |
| 14:59.04 | resiak | Dabian: ! |
| 14:59.05 | Gnea | Sm4sh: that's cuz it's gnome |
| 14:59.13 | win2lin | can u please write the command with all required switches |
| 14:59.13 | Gnea | oh wow. |
| 14:59.24 | Gnea | no |
| 14:59.25 | Dabian | Hmm .. that was the wrong factoid. |
| 14:59.26 | Dabian | resiak: Your nick looks familiar? |
| 14:59.28 | caphuso | win2lin: man rsync. info tar. |
| 14:59.34 | Gnea | win2lin: you'll need to read up on it and write one yourself |
| 14:59.41 | onre | i can write you the command if you pay me the usual fee for consultation. |
| 14:59.42 | Gnea | win2lin: unless you wanna pay me... :) |
| 14:59.51 | onre | in this case 50eur per hour, minimum two hours. |
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| 15:00.14 | Dabian | Ahh .. the factoid is valid :) |
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| 15:01.29 | win2lin | is there any command available for taking entire image of a debaian system |
| 15:01.35 | abrotman | dd :) |
| 15:01.38 | Gnea | lol |
| 15:01.41 | FieldySnuts | partimage perhaps |
| 15:01.41 | Gnea | i was about to say that |
| 15:01.48 | abrotman | system-imager |
| 15:01.51 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 15:01.52 | Dabian | abrotman: Not if it spans several HD's, I guess. |
| 15:02.11 | darkcmd | libdvdcss is gone from the sarge repos :( |
| 15:02.20 | Dabian | :) |
| 15:02.24 | Gnea | hrm |
| 15:02.31 | FieldySnuts | probably due to it's questionable legality |
| 15:02.44 | caphuso | darkcmd: it was never in debian |
| 15:02.54 | win2lin | which is the command for taking entire image backup of debian system |
| 15:02.57 | resiak | Dabian: It does? |
| 15:03.00 | xk | win2lin: stop repeating. |
| 15:03.05 | darkcmd | it wasn't? |
| 15:03.19 | win2lin | xk: then help |
| 15:03.28 | xk | win2lin: help yourself. |
| 15:03.32 | resiak | darkcmd: apt-get install libdvdread3; cd /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/; ls |
| 15:03.41 | caphuso | win2lin: you've been told several commands. now it's your job to find the one that does what you need. and nobody in here is going to do that considerable amount of work for you, so shut up and start reading |
| 15:03.44 | win2lin | xk: fuck you |
| 15:03.47 | xk | win2lin: you were already given hints. |
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| 15:03.50 | FieldySnuts | wow. |
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| 15:04.01 | Sm4sh | someone told that Ubuntu is better than Debian...Why?What's the difference? |
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| 15:04.13 | FieldySnuts | ask #ubuntu , we don't deal with ubuntu |
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| 15:04.40 | xk | what's so good about ubuntu? |
| 15:04.58 | FieldySnuts | not sure I actually care, all I know is it gets ultra irritating explaining this 10 times a day |
| 15:05.24 | Sm4sh | :| |
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| 15:05.34 | Gnea | weird |
| 15:05.36 | inu | UBUNTU.. just sounds like a very manly distro! |
| 15:05.48 | serving | [11:01] <thingfish> I live in Missouri, and yes, Kansas is crap. :) |
| 15:05.48 | serving | [11:02] * xanax` has joined #fedora |
| 15:05.48 | serving | [11:02] <serving> lol |
| 15:05.48 | serving | [11:02] <Sonar_Guy> Whats up thingfish!! |
| 15:05.48 | serving | [11:02] <jetflash> Bob-Laptop: ok |
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| 15:06.00 | FieldySnuts | !early sunday |
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| 15:06.33 | inu | ah, 1 hour into sunday already ;) |
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| 15:09.50 | quitte | what was that tool that helps making a deb from source? |
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| 15:11.14 | stew | quitte: dh_make? /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 15:11.19 | dabreegster | quitte: dpkg-build? |
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| 15:12.03 | dumber | is gandi down? |
| 15:12.13 | quitte | stew: dh_make, yes. thanks |
| 15:12.42 | pahvi | o/ |
| 15:12.43 | asg | dumber: http://db.debian.org/machines.cgi |
| 15:13.34 | gothtec | How can I mount an ntfs filesystem rw? |
| 15:13.37 | dabreegster | Is that thing up where you can see how many Debian users are in your area still online? Anybody know the url? |
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| 15:14.18 | _jah_ | When is there going be a major updated release of debain comming? |
| 15:14.23 | xk | !debain |
| 15:14.24 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
| 15:14.32 | streuner | dabreegster: sounds you are refering to tarzeau's world-map |
| 15:14.37 | xk | munstah_gunjah: whne you learn to spell the distribution properly ;) |
| 15:14.43 | stew | _jah_: /msg dpkg wwsr |
| 15:14.47 | dabreegster | streuner: probably. know the url? |
| 15:15.16 | sussudio | xk: RaBBit / EminEm are spambots |
| 15:15.16 | streuner | dabreegster: the same URL like the one for FAQ? |
| 15:15.29 | _jah_ | thanks |
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| 15:15.38 | dabreegster | streuner: I dunno; just the url for the world-map |
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| 15:16.21 | streuner | http://www.linuks.mine.nu/worldmap/ |
| 15:16.30 | dabreegster | thanks |
| 15:16.31 | Phated | Do rabbits eat frogs, then? |
| 15:16.39 | sussudio | i think all of 82.212.* is owned by ttnet.tr |
| 15:16.43 | dabreegster | Not that I know. |
| 15:16.44 | xk | Phated: rabbit *ribbit* :o |
| 15:16.53 | Phated | xk: Ha. |
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| 15:17.57 | Phated | A witty kick message. Now -there-'s an op that cares. |
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| 15:19.25 | gothtec | Why doesn't "mount -t ntfs -o rw /dev/sda0 /root/testdirectory" make that partition writable? |
| 15:19.54 | Gnea | gothtec: which ntfs module are you using? er, what version? |
| 15:19.56 | caphuso | gothtec: because it's a NTFS filesystem |
| 15:20.11 | gothtec | caphuso: is there no way to write to ntfs yes? |
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| 15:20.20 | gothtec | yet* |
| 15:20.38 | js_ | gothtec: you can use captive ntfs or the commercial www.ntfs-linux.com |
| 15:20.54 | gothtec | !+captive ntfs |
| 15:21.00 | gothtec | hm.. |
| 15:21.04 | js_ | google it |
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| 15:22.39 | Gnea | gothtec: yeah, they made it work, but it's not quite 100% so YMMV |
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| 15:26.54 | denon | I'm trying to use the new (rc2) debian installer, to create and install onto a new lvm group .. |
| 15:27.04 | denon | im a little confused, though, as it wont let me create a group |
| 15:27.25 | denon | I can create the lvm group right onto the bare drives, right? I don't need to software raid over them first? |
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| 15:29.51 | |Sm4sh| | Its useless using a firewall in linux? |
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| 15:30.15 | xk | |Sm4sh|: no, it's useful. |
| 15:30.22 | Manuelito | c'è qualche |
| 15:30.23 | SEcki | |Sm4sh|: was this a question? |
| 15:30.24 | Manuelito | italiano? |
| 15:30.28 | xk | !it |
| 15:30.28 | dpkg | hmm... italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:30.39 | dabreegster | !it |
| 15:30.39 | dpkg | methinks italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:30.57 | xk | dpkg: tell dabreegster -about it |
| 15:31.00 | xk | and one more :) |
| 15:31.02 | |Sm4sh| | I have no service so i tought was useless... |
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| 15:31.13 | darkcmd | how can I replace bash2 with bash3 |
| 15:31.20 | xk | there's a bash3? |
| 15:31.21 | dabreegster | xk: why're you telling me? :P |
| 15:31.43 | xk | dabreegster: since you repeated it after me ;o |
| 15:32.01 | dabreegster | xk: Sorry, I have lag. |
| 15:32.08 | skx | darkcmd; apt-get install bash3; chsh /bin/bash3 |
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| 15:32.25 | dabreegster | darkcmd: looks like there's a bash3 package |
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| 15:32.37 | darkcmd | ok |
| 15:32.48 | dvs | !nickometer governmentsucks |
| 15:32.48 | dpkg | 'governmentsucks' is 0.000% lame, dvs |
| 15:32.52 | dvs | yup |
| 15:33.02 | governmentsucks | !nickometer dvs |
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| 15:33.28 | governmentsucks | hmm, it seems a tad broken |
| 15:33.29 | timo_ | i use bash3 on my openbsd box, just compiled from source |
| 15:33.36 | xk | !nickometer |Sm4sh| |
| 15:33.41 | dvs | governmentsucks: You have to be registered to use it. |
| 15:33.50 | darkcmd | timo, like it better than bash2? |
| 15:33.58 | dabreegster | what's bash3 have that's cool/useful that bash2 doesn't? |
| 15:34.01 | timo_ | darkcmd: havent noticed any differance |
| 15:34.03 | governmentsucks | dvs: ah, lol |
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| 15:34.48 | Max222 | Hey all....How can i prevent dns caching ? I am running a domain test with one domainname.com and one subdomain.domain.com. I have gotten 2 dns servers, 1 for the subdomain and one for the domain.. I have made them sync. so i can add things to the subdomain and i have put the update to seconds instead of 1w and hole lot more. But my isp still uses the old ones. How can i prevent this and do i need to refresh both domain and subdomain on change? |
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| 15:35.06 | xk | Max222: set the TTL to 60 seconds. |
| 15:35.10 | jetscreamer | !saturday |
| 15:35.10 | xk | or 0 :) |
| 15:35.10 | dpkg | saturday is probably Tardsday Eve |
| 15:35.29 | Max222 | xk : U mean the default_ttl? |
| 15:35.59 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 15:36.00 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:36.03 | xk | well... override... set your own ttl... same diff. |
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| 15:36.19 | xk | still doesn't change my statement. |
| 15:36.32 | simonrvn | @list |
| 15:36.33 | ravenbird | one warez list being sent |
| 15:36.35 | jetscreamer | uhaul would disagree about u |
| 15:36.53 | Max222 | xk : here are my specs ==>> 2005043004;serial 6;refresh 60;retry 100;expire 300;default_ttl |
| 15:36.55 | dvs | ur kidding? |
| 15:37.20 | jetscreamer | no it says 'where will u go today' on some of the trailers |
| 15:37.25 | dvs | hahaha |
| 15:37.29 | xk | Max222: hrm... and this is bind? |
| 15:37.37 | Max222 | xk : Yeah |
| 15:37.44 | simonrvn | u'r kidding |
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| 15:38.31 | xk | Max222: I wouldn't know how to set it in bind... but setting ttl to a small value would be a start. |
| 15:38.37 | xk | i prefer djbdns :) |
| 15:38.55 | Max222 | xk : Yeah i know but its not my choise |
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| 15:39.15 | xk | just wait til there is another vulnerability and exploit for bind ;) |
| 15:39.17 | Max222 | xk : Do i need to refresh both server on change? |
| 15:39.21 | xk | then it will be your choice |
| 15:39.24 | xk | Max222: sure. |
| 15:39.49 | Dull4o4 | Hey, why is rc.d split up in several dirs? i can't find "/etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit" now..... |
| 15:39.51 | xk | and wait until the cache has expired on servers you would like the new info refreshed. |
| 15:39.53 | Max222 | xk : Or just run the sub server? |
| 15:40.04 | dockane | could anybody please give me a hint how to connect to my hp 712 via ttyS0 ? i configured minicom with 9600 baud, 8N1, but HOW do i connect ? the manual doesn't say anyhting about it or should it automatically connect with "initiliazing modem" ? |
| 15:40.04 | onre | Dull4o4, it's all just symlinks to /etc/init.d |
| 15:40.06 | Max222 | xk : I mean just update the sub server? |
| 15:40.14 | xk | Dull4o4: debian is not redhat! |
| 15:40.17 | dvs | Dull4o4: try /etc/init.d |
| 15:40.26 | dvs | thank god! |
| 15:40.36 | governmentsucks | lol, redhat |
| 15:40.41 | xk | Max222: update the ttl on your dns hosting your domain, then HUP. |
| 15:40.52 | simonrvn | great, some generic nvidia agp card.... |
| 15:41.06 | Max222 | xk : HUP?!? |
| 15:41.13 | xk | killall -HUP named |
| 15:41.25 | Dull4o4 | xk, wtf? im reading a debian howto!! |
| 15:41.25 | simonrvn | hangup. tells the daemon to re-read its config files |
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| 15:41.28 | xk | I guess bind doesn't mind HUP to reload the config files |
| 15:41.37 | dabreegster | The hangup signal. Yes. |
| 15:41.40 | simonrvn | rndc reload if the key is configured |
| 15:41.42 | Dull4o4 | onre, ok thanks |
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| 15:41.55 | Dull4o4 | dvs, thanks |
| 15:42.12 | dvs | Dull4o4: np |
| 15:42.24 | jetscreamer | how long does john the ripper take to admit it can't crack a password? |
| 15:42.33 | simonrvn | 3 years |
| 15:42.38 | FieldySnuts | it'll go on as long as it has words |
| 15:42.43 | simonrvn | it hold grudges |
| 15:42.44 | Max222 | xk : No i do the /etc/init.d/bind reload |
| 15:42.54 | Dull4o4 | dvs, no rc.sysinit though |
| 15:43.06 | simonrvn | Dull4o4: this isn't redhat |
| 15:43.10 | jetscreamer | dammit i want it to admit defeat! |
| 15:43.34 | dabreegster | jetscreamer: that's easy. kill -9 will usually force it to surrender. |
| 15:43.36 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, duh why do you keep saying that? |
| 15:43.51 | simonrvn | because you keep asking rh specific crap |
| 15:44.00 | xk | Max222: doesn't really matter which way you force named/bind to read the new information, heh. |
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| 15:44.57 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Config-HOWTO/x43.html .. its off debian.org ... section disk performance |
| 15:45.23 | simonrvn | i don't see debian.org as a domain name |
| 15:45.25 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, ok so what is equivalent to debian then? i thought it was debian specific |
| 15:45.49 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, www.debian.org -> docs -> howto's -> ^ |
| 15:46.00 | xk | !roothat |
| 15:46.00 | dpkg | A newer Linux distro which has gained a large following of clueless people. Great for the "Start Menu" crowd who'd like to be techno trendy. Advantages: Running the default setup can win you many new friends, a la root@localhost. See also: calhaira, hackware, plebian, SuRE. slang for RedHat Linux, or see yerrowdog. tarballlinux |
| 15:46.01 | Max222 | Gonna reboot this crap of a computer (win) cya |
| 15:46.02 | simonrvn | ... |
| 15:46.39 | jmacz | hi everyone |
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| 15:47.37 | jmacz | I would like to know how may I recover a dir I've just deleted using rm -rf on a ext3 filesystem |
| 15:47.45 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, whats the bootup conf file called then? |
| 15:47.46 | xk | "recover". |
| 15:47.55 | xk | but I've tried recover... and it was hopeless. |
| 15:47.55 | FieldySnuts | backups. |
| 15:48.04 | jetscreamer | hexedit the disk |
| 15:48.09 | xk | or reguarly backup with rsync ;) |
| 15:48.18 | dvs | FieldySnuts: Where can I find the backups program? ;-) |
| 15:48.23 | simonrvn | "bootup conf"? what is it you want to edit? |
| 15:48.26 | jmacz | xk, yeap, that's it |
| 15:48.26 | FieldySnuts | dumbass. |
| 15:48.30 | xk | actually one way is: PRESS THE RESET BUTTON ASAP |
| 15:48.36 | FieldySnuts | anyone else having problems doing a whois on any .org ? |
| 15:48.39 | jetscreamer | http://www.google.com/linux?q=undelete&restrict=linux |
| 15:48.42 | xk | that's one way to save your ass ;) |
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| 15:49.06 | jetscreamer | it says mc can do undeletes |
| 15:49.08 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, /sbin/hdparm -c1 -A1 -m16 -d1 /dev/hda <-- at boot |
| 15:49.11 | denon | does anyone know why the debian installer would get 100% through creating a filesystem on my raid0, then throw "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 failed"? |
| 15:49.12 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 15:49.20 | jmacz | jetscreamer, i'll try it thanks |
| 15:49.30 | simonrvn | Dull4o4: hdpam has an /etc/default file IIRC. edit that |
| 15:49.34 | simonrvn | parm* |
| 15:49.46 | xk | edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 15:49.51 | jetscreamer | jmacz: that all says ext2, but you can treat ext3 as ext2, so g'luck |
| 15:49.52 | jmacz | xk, the thing is it's a just-installed box |
| 15:49.55 | simonrvn | or that |
| 15:50.16 | xk | no /etc/default/hdparm file |
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| 15:50.18 | jmacz | jetscreamer, ok I will. Thanks |
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| 15:50.42 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, i know.. but is it called by the boot up scripts? im used to arch wich had "one" single bootup settings file.... |
| 15:50.46 | jetscreamer | course this mailing list says it wont |
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| 15:50.54 | jetscreamer | read the google |
| 15:50.57 | Kerr | Where can i get the xmms-sexypsf plugin ? |
| 15:51.16 | Dull4o4 | xk, /etc/hdparm.conf yes :P |
| 15:51.28 | simonrvn | Dull4o4: you know, you could find this on your own, like say, reading the init script? and yes, it does |
| 15:51.34 | FieldySnuts | !fgi Kerr xmms-sexypsf plugin |
| 15:51.35 | dpkg | Kerr: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=xmms-sexypsf plugin |
| 15:51.39 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone know where the config file for proftpd is? |
| 15:51.47 | FieldySnuts | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:51.55 | A-z-i-z | is there a GUI editor for pbasic ? |
| 15:51.56 | Dull4o4 | Twisted_Emotions, why not vsftpd? |
| 15:52.06 | xk | FieldySnuts: need %20 :) |
| 15:52.07 | FieldySnuts | he's asking about proftpd. |
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| 15:52.14 | FieldySnuts | xk: yeah I wondered. |
| 15:52.26 | xk | well... not need... browser will fix it up |
| 15:52.31 | PintchX | Hi |
| 15:52.33 | xk | but you don't know where the url ends. |
| 15:52.40 | Twisted_Emotions | Dull4o4: No reason... Asked in here which I should use... they told me proftpd |
| 15:52.43 | xk | PintchX: are you related to BitchX? |
| 15:52.48 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, true... i just got confused because i thought i was reading a "debian" specific howto |
| 15:52.52 | PintchX | ehehe |
| 15:52.54 | PintchX | no (: |
| 15:52.56 | Dull4o4 | Twisted_Emotions, vsftpd is more secure |
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| 15:53.04 | FieldySnuts | Twisted_Emotions: don't worry about it, proftpd is fine, just some people push their ideas a bit too hard. |
| 15:53.12 | stew | Dull4o4: whats insecure about proftpd? |
| 15:53.14 | xk | proftpd, the exploitable daemon |
| 15:53.23 | FieldySnuts | examples? |
| 15:53.29 | stew | Dull4o4: do you know of vulnerabilities not in the bts? |
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| 15:53.49 | xk | proftpd was supposedly to be secure... but over the years... holes discovered and exploits released every year. |
| 15:54.04 | FieldySnuts | and fixed? i've ran it on production servers exposed to the world for years, never once had problems |
| 15:54.08 | zinx | ftp sucks anyway |
| 15:54.12 | Twisted_Emotions | I could be wrong... but isn't that every software? |
| 15:54.22 | xk | FieldySnuts: why trust something that had an aim to be secure? |
| 15:54.33 | FieldySnuts | I don't understand your question |
| 15:54.39 | Dull4o4 | stew, not on top of my head. read about it... linux security mag, somewhere :/ |
| 15:54.55 | FieldySnuts | Dull4o4: you're the one saying it's not secure, you show us why. |
| 15:55.31 | Dull4o4 | FieldySnuts, not just me, a vast majority ;) hehe... aww crap, must i go find it? |
| 15:55.32 | A-z-i-z | hello,, is there a GUI editor for pbasic ? or is there a way to have it in GUI ? |
| 15:55.42 | Phated | And xterm, maybe? |
| 15:55.45 | Twisted_Emotions | Every software thinks they are secure apon release then 6 months later a bunch of fixes come out then a yeah later a bunch more fixes come out... ect. ect. |
| 15:55.47 | Phated | Agh, s/d// |
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| 15:57.27 | xk | bah, not long enough for S |
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| 15:57.42 | dvs | There was a person with "l" the other day |
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| 15:58.24 | FieldySnuts | there was a spammer with the nick ` last week |
| 15:58.31 | Twisted_Emotions | Ok I nano proftpd.conf |
| 15:58.39 | Phated | xk: ILOVELONGNICKSES :) |
| 15:58.44 | Twisted_Emotions | and I think anonymous access is blocked. |
| 15:58.55 | xk | ftp is broken by design; get rid of it. |
| 15:58.57 | FieldySnuts | if you want to know all it's different options, head over to it's web site and start reading, it's too much to cover on irc |
| 15:58.57 | xk | stick to http |
| 15:59.08 | Twisted_Emotions | now I setup users to access the site by adduser? |
| 15:59.33 | FieldySnuts | there is also #proftpd here, though i've never seen it not idle myself. best option is their mailing list, again info on that is at its home page |
| 15:59.36 | Twisted_Emotions | xk: Cant... need ftp.. and dont really care if it gets hacked... is a VPS server. |
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| 15:59.58 | FieldySnuts | don't care if it gets cracked... remind me to not hire you |
| 16:00.07 | Twisted_Emotions | FieldySnuts: Didn't know... |
| 16:00.11 | xk | ;) |
| 16:00.12 | Phated | Hear hear. |
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| 16:00.32 | Twisted_Emotions | FieldySnuts: I just use it to upload torrent files... nothing major |
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| 16:00.48 | xk | bah, use sftp if you want to upload to your own account |
| 16:00.55 | xk | but never enable ftp for accounts that have shell access. |
| 16:01.00 | Rick-- | hi.. i have just burnt debian sarge but, it says no partionable media was found |
| 16:01.15 | PintchX | I installed apache but the httpd service isnt on /ect/init.d .. why ? |
| 16:01.17 | Twisted_Emotions | was actually planning on getting it shutdown by the owners but they never shut it down... dont know |
| 16:01.17 | Dull4o4 | FieldySnuts, ok i did this only for you, so happy now? -> http://www.sans.org/newsletters/sac/sac1_48.php |
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| 16:01.32 | drac | PintchX: /etc/init.d/apache? |
| 16:01.41 | Rick-- | any idea ? |
| 16:01.46 | drac | PintchX: 'ls' is nice tool. |
| 16:01.58 | PintchX | :x |
| 16:02.00 | PintchX | i know |
| 16:02.01 | xk | Rick--: verify md5sum |
| 16:02.06 | dabreegster | so is rm |
| 16:02.06 | PintchX | but isnt there |
| 16:02.09 | xk | Rick--: if it doesn't match... you know something really went wrong. |
| 16:02.11 | PintchX | and look: bash: cd: apache: Not a directory |
| 16:02.21 | Rick-- | xk, of the iso ? |
| 16:02.24 | drac | PintchX: You can't use 'cd' on a file. |
| 16:02.25 | PintchX | on /ect/init.d |
| 16:02.30 | PintchX | i know |
| 16:02.38 | Rick-- | how do i go abt doing that ? |
| 16:02.40 | Dull4o4 | FieldySnuts, not much of reading but..... there is a line ;) |
| 16:02.44 | xk | Rick--: should be md5sum on the site you got it from. and md5sum the media aswell. |
| 16:03.00 | PintchX | but httpd isnt there |
| 16:03.25 | Rick-- | will the check cd rom integrity work |
| 16:03.49 | drac | PintchX: Because the file is called apache. |
| 16:03.57 | drac | PintchX: Or are you using crack? |
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| 16:04.06 | Rick-- | cause, that did say ok |
| 16:04.17 | xk | Rick--: md5sum /dev/cdrom, then md5sum the image. and see if they match. |
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| 16:04.34 | Rick-- | me burnt it on windows |
| 16:04.41 | PintchX | drac: ? |
| 16:05.02 | xk | well... you can still md5sum it,, unless you have no *nix systems running right now |
| 16:05.04 | drac | PintchX: There is file called /etc/init.d/apache, what more do you want?! |
| 16:05.29 | Rick-- | i can boot into *nix |
| 16:05.35 | Rick-- | gimme a few mins |
| 16:05.37 | dabreegster | PintchX: if you're so zealous about it, symlink httpd to apache |
| 16:05.46 | PintchX | the problkem is: i run service apache start |
| 16:05.48 | xk | Rick--: where did you get the image/iso from? |
| 16:05.51 | streuner | Rick--: or just google for 'md5sum windows' |
| 16:05.53 | PintchX | but i does no start |
| 16:05.58 | drac | PintchX: /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 16:06.01 | nagura | can anyone maybe able to give me any suggestions for improvement on my shell script? |
| 16:06.01 | Rick-- | ok .. |
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| 16:06.06 | xk | streuner: will the tool work on devices like cdrom? |
| 16:06.13 | ivoks | hi all |
| 16:06.29 | FieldySnuts | convert it to C or something. any scripting is going to be considerably slower. |
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| 16:06.46 | streuner | xk: i doubt it - you prolly need the iso itself |
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| 16:06.48 | dabreegster | nagura: paste it with a pastebot. Also, what's it do? What do you want it to do? if it's bash, try /j #bash |
| 16:06.52 | Rick-- | i got the image from |
| 16:06.53 | Rick-- | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 16:06.59 | xk | streuner: so that's pointless if you can't verify the cdrom media, heh. |
| 16:07.00 | ivoks | nice news from Muinchen :) |
| 16:07.05 | Rick-- | is this the correct one ? |
| 16:07.05 | PintchX | ): .. doesnt work |
| 16:07.10 | PintchX | but ok.. |
| 16:07.11 | PintchX | :x |
| 16:07.23 | xk | Rick--: get MD5SUMS from there. |
| 16:07.32 | xk | Rick--: and hten md5sum the copies you have (cdrom and the file) |
| 16:07.39 | xk | and check which one match and which do not match. |
| 16:07.58 | ivoks | what's the problem? |
| 16:08.11 | FieldySnuts | with? |
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| 16:08.39 | ivoks | with PintchX :) |
| 16:09.05 | PintchX | ivoks: i tryed to start spache but it does not work |
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| 16:09.10 | PintchX | *apache |
| 16:09.13 | dabreegster | PintchX: what's the error? |
| 16:09.16 | ivoks | ? |
| 16:09.18 | dabreegster | !doesn't work |
| 16:09.18 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 16:09.20 | ivoks | how come? |
| 16:09.22 | xk | hah |
| 16:09.27 | ivoks | apache works without problems |
| 16:09.35 | ivoks | dpkg :) |
| 16:09.35 | dpkg | i guess ) is the smile part of a face. |
| 16:09.38 | FieldySnuts | we don't even know what you're saying |
| 16:09.38 | xk | gotta love that factoid ;) |
| 16:09.46 | simonrvn | gaspacho, apache |
| 16:09.51 | PintchX | i dont knwo... when o run service apache start and see my http://localhost |
| 16:10.06 | PintchX | says Could not connect to host localhost |
| 16:10.11 | dabreegster | PintchX: /etc/init.d/apache start |
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| 16:10.17 | ivoks | PintchX ps ax | grep apache |
| 16:10.24 | FieldySnuts | service apache start? ware you using redhat? |
| 16:10.25 | PintchX | dabreegster: the same thing |
| 16:10.28 | dabreegster | PintchX: I don't know why you are doing 'service'. |
| 16:10.32 | dabreegster | ah |
| 16:10.34 | FieldySnuts | doesn't sound like he's runnign debian |
| 16:10.41 | ivoks | PintchX ex-redhat user? :) |
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| 16:10.46 | Rick-- | xk, its correct |
| 16:10.47 | PintchX | yes :x |
| 16:10.49 | PintchX | hehe |
| 16:10.55 | ivoks | PintchX ps ax | grep apache |
| 16:11.04 | xk | Rick--: file image or cdrom? |
| 16:11.07 | Rick-- | C:\downloads>md5sum sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 16:11.07 | Rick-- | b0c88ebb54b8613130ef0e7b46f158d9 *sarge-i386-businesscard.iso |
| 16:11.10 | ivoks | PintchX then, if none, apachectl start |
| 16:11.14 | Rick-- | image |
| 16:11.20 | xk | ok, now md5sum your cdrom device ;) |
| 16:11.24 | xk | if it's at all possible with windows, heh. |
| 16:11.27 | karsten | ivoks: /etc/init.d/apache start is preferred. Sets /var/run/pid properly. |
| 16:11.28 | FieldySnuts | it's not |
| 16:11.30 | ivoks | PintchX if this is apache2, run apache2ctl start |
| 16:11.39 | ivoks | karsten i know, but for now... :) |
| 16:11.40 | simonrvn | xk: good fucking question |
| 16:12.07 | ivoks | i think debian needs release cycle :( |
| 16:12.09 | xk | I tried using pipes in windows command prompt... and it locked up the machine HARD ;) |
| 16:12.09 | karsten | ivoks: He's already got bad habits. Let's get him trained right. |
| 16:12.11 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, my hd got much faster with those hdparm settings :P hope, im not toasting my filesystem or something now hehe... |
| 16:12.20 | ivoks | karsten ok... |
| 16:12.20 | Rick-- | ~ # md5sum /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 16:12.22 | Rick-- | b0c88ebb54b8613130ef0e7b46f158d9 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 |
| 16:12.31 | karsten | ivoks: Debian doesn't have a release cycle, it's got an escape policy. |
| 16:12.32 | xk | Rick--: so it's the same... |
| 16:12.33 | Rick-- | both match |
| 16:12.35 | Rick-- | yes |
| 16:12.35 | xk | Rick--: how did you try and mount it? |
| 16:12.42 | ivoks | PintchX so, ps ax | grep apache gives anything? |
| 16:12.42 | simonrvn | Dull4o4: if you were careful to set things correctly for the drive, etc., it should be ok |
| 16:12.47 | Rick-- | mount what ? |
| 16:12.53 | karsten | Rick--: The ISO image. |
| 16:12.56 | ivoks | karsten i know it doesn't... i'm using it for about 7 years |
| 16:12.58 | karsten | Rick--: ...or the CD. |
| 16:12.58 | Rick-- | i didnt |
| 16:13.01 | Rick-- | i burnt it |
| 16:13.05 | xk | Rick--: wlel... you were complaining you couldn't mount it... well... the error message hinted that ;) |
| 16:13.12 | nagura | dagreegster: i don't know is a pastebot or how to do it, but i can past it on #flood if that is alright? |
| 16:13.12 | Rick-- | no no no... |
| 16:13.16 | ivoks | karsten i hate situation in wich debian is now... |
| 16:13.17 | zinx | Rick--: does that match the md5sum on the site? |
| 16:13.19 | PintchX | ivoks 2175 ttyp0 R 0:00 grep apache |
| 16:13.22 | Rick-- | i am trying to install debian on my SATA hd |
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| 16:13.26 | PintchX | but now.. no i dont know why lool |
| 16:13.28 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, im not 100% sure about it.... though |
| 16:13.30 | ivoks | PintchX then, as root, /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 16:13.35 | karsten | Rick--: mkdir /mnt/misc; mount -o loop,ro -t iso9660 $PWD/<image> /mnt/misc |
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| 16:13.39 | streuner | Rick--: what SATA-Controller do you have? |
| 16:13.42 | dvs | Rick--: You must use the 2.6 if you want to do that |
| 16:13.45 | xk | lol. |
| 16:13.50 | simonrvn | Dull4o4: better to be conservative with hdparm |
| 16:13.51 | karsten | Rick--: ...assuming you're in a 'Nix ATM. |
| 16:14.00 | Rick-- | i did use the 2.6 |
| 16:14.02 | xk | it's both our fault ;) |
| 16:14.11 | xk | you didn't say when you had that message. |
| 16:14.12 | karsten | Rick--: I just woke up, I may be missing details.... |
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| 16:14.20 | PintchX | ivoks |
| 16:14.21 | PintchX | ok |
| 16:14.22 | xk | so I assumed you got it when you tried mounting it |
| 16:14.24 | PintchX | tks a lott (: |
| 16:14.27 | xk | since the error message is similar. |
| 16:14.31 | ivoks | PintchX u are looser, man :) |
| 16:14.36 | PintchX | hheh :p |
| 16:14.36 | karsten | xk: Tell him /msg dpkg esp |
| 16:14.38 | Rick-- | xk, i got it when it did a partition disk |
| 16:14.39 | PintchX | brb |
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| 16:15.08 | hogmeat | anyone, can you recommend a dhcp server for my lan ? |
| 16:15.09 | Rick-- | it said no partionable media found |
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| 16:15.11 | simonrvn | don't they put the FCC IDs on shit anymore? |
| 16:15.15 | ivoks | hogmeat dhcp3-server |
| 16:15.16 | xk | Rick--: I'm not familiar what to do when with undetected SATA drives. |
| 16:15.29 | hogmeat | ivoks: thanks, was wondering if its easy to configure? |
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| 16:15.32 | Rick-- | ~ # fdisk -l |
| 16:15.33 | Rick-- | ~ # |
| 16:15.34 | apt | i guess # is pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board |
| 16:15.34 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, but im on a slow computer, so i need every bit of tweak :) you familiar with hdparm settings for an ide disk? |
| 16:15.35 | ivoks | hogmeat pice of cake |
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| 16:15.46 | ivoks | hogmeat u have examples in config |
| 16:15.46 | streuner | Rick--: what SATA-Controller do you have? |
| 16:15.47 | xk | Rick--: personally, I would go to tty2, and type dmesg | grep ^.da |
| 16:15.51 | hogmeat | ivoks: does it have a giu ? |
| 16:15.53 | karsten | Dull4o4: /join #flood |
| 16:15.54 | xk | er, ignore the "| grep" bit. |
| 16:15.56 | hogmeat | s/gui/giu |
| 16:15.57 | simonrvn | Dull4o4: no, i don't usually use ide |
| 16:15.59 | xk | since the installer wouldn't have that. |
| 16:16.02 | ivoks | hogmeat GUI? man, drop linux, buy windows |
| 16:16.02 | Rick-- | streuner, any way to check of the sata controller ? |
| 16:16.02 | karsten | Dull4o4: I'll give you some tips on hdparm |
| 16:16.11 | Dull4o4 | karsten, ok :) thanks |
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| 16:16.15 | xk | Rick--: dmesg| grep hd |
| 16:16.18 | ivoks | gui for dhcp configuration :) |
| 16:16.20 | xk | or just dmesg and scroll up |
| 16:16.26 | Dull4o4 | simonrvn, ok |
| 16:16.33 | karsten | Dull4o4: For starters: hdparm /dev/hda (or appropriate device) shows current settings. |
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| 16:16.48 | hogmeat | ivoks: redhat for example has some good gtk gui's to make configuration easier |
| 16:16.50 | ivoks | karsten -I shows even more :) |
| 16:16.54 | xk | lspci | grep -i sata |
| 16:16.56 | karsten | Dull4o4: 'hdparm -tT /dev/hda' gives current timings/performance. |
| 16:16.58 | Rick-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:16.59 | Rick-- | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:17.01 | karsten | ivoks: OK. |
| 16:17.02 | ivoks | hogmeat i don't know how much easier can be... |
| 16:17.04 | pipeline | hogmeat: "Good" ? hahahahhahahah |
| 16:17.07 | xk | Rick--: that's PATA. |
| 16:17.09 | Guil_06 | Ououu encile de voi race |
| 16:17.10 | morientes | Guil_06 c pa trop d con ici? |
| 16:17.13 | Dabian | How come there are uneditble animal-sex links on the front page of the debian wiki on linux.mine.nu ? |
| 16:17.17 | xk | !fr |
| 16:17.17 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 16:17.19 | Guil_06 | Wé |
| 16:17.27 | zinx | Dabian: O_O |
| 16:17.29 | Rick-- | and.. |
| 16:17.30 | hogmeat | ivoks: makes configuration much easier because i dont read read read man pages and formulate commands all day long |
| 16:17.30 | Rick-- | hda: HL-DT-ST GCE-8527B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
| 16:17.30 | Rick-- | hda: ATAPI 52X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 1536kB Cache, UDMA(33) |
| 16:17.39 | Dabian | The danish translation that is. |
| 16:17.40 | Rick-- | its cd rom right ... |
| 16:17.50 | streuner | yeah |
| 16:17.58 | ivoks | hogmeat i think it's much easier to create ur own configuration with a detailed example, then use gui without example |
| 16:18.11 | Rick-- | lemme see my m/b |
| 16:18.18 | pipeline | hogmeat: The bone I have to pick is that Redhat's GUI configuration tools are one, awful, and two, unsupported. |
| 16:18.22 | Dabian | zinx: Go look for yourself. |
| 16:18.32 | ivoks | karsten can i ask u one question? |
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| 16:18.49 | ivoks | karsten wich DMA mode is better? mdma2 or udma5? |
| 16:18.53 | hogmeat | ivoks: ok thanks, giving it a try.. one thing is i have two nics so i want only eth1 to have the service enabled |
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| 16:19.19 | ivoks | hogmeat u have example :) |
| 16:19.49 | dvs | hogmeat: service? you mean an ip address? |
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| 16:19.49 | yalu | hi. I have a slight problem with grub. I have 2 hard disks (ide) one on the primary controller, one on the secondary controller. the bios refuses to recognize the first hd but I can boot from the second hd with a grub floppy. only, the kernel panics when it has to mount the root fs. I gave the correct root=option to the "kernel" command in grub though. |
| 16:19.49 | jetdotnet | why, lately, with debian kernel-images, is it impossible to unload all the ide modules (they all get loaded on_boot) |
| 16:19.49 | ivoks | hogmeat when u install dhcp3-server it will ask u on which interface... |
| 16:19.50 | Rick-- | streuner, its ATA 150 |
| 16:20.00 | yalu | my kernel tells me it can't mount /dev/hdd3, but I can mount it if I start from a boot cdrom |
| 16:20.08 | dvs | Rick--: So are most SATA drives |
| 16:20.10 | streuner | Rick--: we need the info for the chipset |
| 16:20.19 | jetdotnet | MuRat is an on_join spammer bot |
| 16:20.21 | Twisted_Emotions | Uhh.. okay I set it up how do I get ftpd to freaking run? |
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| 16:20.29 | karsten | ivoks: I'm not sure. |
| 16:20.30 | Rick-- | streuner, i checking my manual |
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| 16:20.37 | streuner | Rick--: try lspci |
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| 16:20.58 | hogmeat | pipeline: thing is that when my reputation was on the line as the "linux guide", folks looking over my shoulder didnt immediately turn coat against me when i was trying to configure red hat quickly. i wasnt sitting there flipping thru man pages to get the command exactly right. instead of looking up ifconfig to change from static to dynamic i simply used "neat" redhat gui. |
| 16:21.03 | jetdotnet | !xk++ |
| 16:21.05 | ivoks | karsten heh, same here :/ |
| 16:21.10 | simonrvn | ah, found it, it's a "NVIDIA RIVA TNT2 AGP 16MB" |
| 16:21.18 | streuner | dpkg, karma xk |
| 16:21.18 | dpkg | xk has karma of 7 |
| 16:21.24 | simonrvn | kicking ass, literally ;) |
| 16:21.36 | xk | apt: karma xk |
| 16:21.36 | apt | xk has karma of 7 |
| 16:21.42 | Rick-- | ~ # lspci |
| 16:21.43 | Rick-- | sh: lspci: not found |
| 16:21.47 | Dabian | zinx: IN the buttom .. its filled up with filthy links. |
| 16:21.48 | xk | Rick--: apt-get install pciutils |
| 16:21.49 | Twisted_Emotions | !twisted_emotions++ |
| 16:21.51 | Dabian | zinx: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ForSide |
| 16:21.51 | Rick-- | streuner, my m/b dont state |
| 16:21.52 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 16:21.52 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 16:21.54 | jetdotnet | dpkg, karma streuner |
| 16:21.54 | dpkg | streuner has neutral karma |
| 16:21.58 | Twisted_Emotions | whats my karma |
| 16:22.02 | hogmeat | dvs: yes i was hoping as a service that was in the init.d dir, so that it would activate only for eth1 and assign ip addresses to devices attached to that NIC |
| 16:22.03 | jetdotnet | !streuner++ |
| 16:22.04 | Rick-- | xk, i have not installed debian yet... |
| 16:22.06 | simonrvn | Twisted_Emotions: you can't add karma to yourself |
| 16:22.07 | Dabian | I hate those news flash. |
| 16:22.16 | streuner | Twisted_Emotions: prolly neutral too |
| 16:22.17 | Twisted_Emotions | <dpkg> please don't karma yourself |
| 16:22.17 | Rick-- | i am using the shell within the install |
| 16:22.21 | karsten | ivoks: There's the try-before-you-buy concept. Try both. Suggest single-user mode so you don't lose data if it barfs. hdparm -tT to test results. |
| 16:22.32 | Dabian | !Rick---- |
| 16:22.36 | xk | heh |
| 16:22.37 | Rick-- | ? |
| 16:22.41 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 16:22.41 | dvs | hogmeat: Network stuff is usually stored in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 16:22.43 | FieldySnuts | ivoks: as for hdparm, my suggestion is to not touch the -X option unless you are sure what you're doing. |
| 16:22.55 | Twisted_Emotions | hehe... I just wanted to know what it was... dont want to be reborn as a rat.. |
| 16:22.57 | Rick-- | i am trying to install debian on my SATA HD .. |
| 16:22.58 | ivoks | FieldySnuts i heard that before :) |
| 16:23.03 | hogmeat | dvs: well ill give this a shot thanks |
| 16:23.06 | Rick-- | i have gone in using expert26 |
| 16:23.07 | Twisted_Emotions | mostly the one who just got kicked. |
| 16:23.09 | ivoks | karsten well, i have disk that supports both... |
| 16:23.10 | dvs | hogmeat: np |
| 16:23.15 | simonrvn | is a riva a good card? i mean, not too hard to get working, works with Free drivers, etc. |
| 16:23.21 | dvs | Rick--: Why not linux26? |
| 16:23.32 | ivoks | expert26 |
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| 16:23.35 | Rick-- | dvs.. ok ill try that |
| 16:23.45 | Twisted_Emotions | Anyone wana tell me the command prompt to start ftpd? |
| 16:23.45 | karsten | ivoks: Read the Fine Manual & GIYF ;-) |
| 16:23.48 | hogmeat | some folks have been running DoS against my router, and I need to watch the ip traffic |
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| 16:23.57 | anto9us | Dabian, Folk taler fransk og i savn i opbakning nemlig debian, behage sammenlægge #debian-fr |
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| 16:24.02 | streuner | simonrvn: try groups.google.com |
| 16:24.07 | ivoks | karsten giyf? :) |
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| 16:24.29 | karsten | !giyf. |
| 16:24.30 | dpkg | Google Is Your Friend, or see also: STFW, and see http://fuckinggoogleit.com/ |
| 16:24.31 | FieldySnuts | run iptraf on the router if it's linux, if not, then heck if I know. call your isp and tell them to block it/contact the sources |
| 16:24.37 | karsten | ivoks: Not to be confused with grilf. |
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| 16:24.48 | Twisted_Emotions | !moo |
| 16:24.48 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 16:24.58 | Twisted_Emotions | ^^^ See Im leet too |
| 16:25.03 | dockane | i ve got a hp 712 (pa-risc) with woody, does anybody know where to read about reseting the root password ? |
| 16:25.07 | ivoks | karsten ah, google... |
| 16:25.17 | FieldySnuts | I think using the word "leet" puts you in other categories... |
| 16:26.01 | Twisted_Emotions | yeah I know.. |
| 16:26.01 | ivoks | karsten i'm more familliar with http://justfuckinggoogleit.com/ :) |
| 16:26.01 | pipeline | dockane: Boot the sarge installer for PA-RISC, mount the disk, edit /etc/passwd by hand |
| 16:26.01 | Rick-- | dvs, same thing dude |
| 16:26.01 | karsten | ivoks: Yeah, that's a tad less polite. |
| 16:26.47 | ivoks | karsten are u related with debian development? |
| 16:27.04 | ivoks | s/with/to |
| 16:27.10 | dockane | pipeline, the box is only available via ttyS0 and floppy / cdrom booting is not supported |
| 16:27.13 | jetdotnet | does hp give debian.org it's ip's? |
| 16:27.14 | karsten | ivoks: Not that they'll admit. I'm not a DD. |
| 16:27.20 | hogmeat | are there only two internally non-routed ip addresses, e.g. 10.0.0.x, and 192.168.0.x ? is there a third range of ip addresses that are not externally routed? |
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| 16:27.35 | streuner | jetdotnet: traceroute it |
| 16:27.38 | dvs | hogmeat: yes, I forget what theyare though |
| 16:27.39 | FieldySnuts | yes, 172.something |
| 16:27.44 | jetdotnet | streuner: i did |
| 16:27.47 | ivoks | hogmeat 10.x.x.x |
| 16:27.49 | hogmeat | dvs: thanks looking on google |
| 16:27.57 | FieldySnuts | he mentioned that one |
| 16:28.00 | dvs | hogmeat: Looke for "class B" |
| 16:28.09 | ivoks | FieldySnuts nope, 10.0.0.x he said :) |
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| 16:28.17 | taddeus | hi |
| 16:28.22 | simonrvn | meh. has a binary driver for it... though i'll check for the in-tree driver |
| 16:28.26 | Dabian | ivoks: Hey, thats my IP range! |
| 16:28.33 | FieldySnuts | 10.*.*.* 172.16.something.something 192.168.something.something |
| 16:28.33 | hogmeat | ivoks: was hoping for a non 10.x prefix |
| 16:28.35 | taddeus | wich application can i sue to listen an audio cd ?? |
| 16:28.35 | Twisted_Emotions | I posted in #flood... Anyone know how to edit the file that it wants me to edit? |
| 16:28.40 | dvs | hogmeat: And to be picky, theyare 10.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x |
| 16:28.42 | Rick-- | anyone can help |
| 16:28.43 | Dabian | ivoks: :-P |
| 16:28.48 | ivoks | Dabian ? |
| 16:28.49 | hogmeat | FieldySnuts: thanks, that's what i needed |
| 16:28.57 | FieldySnuts | i'm not positive on that second one |
| 16:29.02 | Dabian | ivoks: Joking .. its a private range, all of that class A. |
| 16:29.02 | simonrvn | Twisted_Emotions: um, /etc/proftpd.conf? |
| 16:29.03 | streuner | simonrvn: googling for 'debian riva' wouldn't be that hard? :-P |
| 16:29.03 | FieldySnuts | I never use it because it's annoying to remember |
| 16:29.11 | simonrvn | streuner: i did, silly ;) |
| 16:29.17 | Dull4o4 | Twisted_Emotions, vsftpd is easy to use as well |
| 16:29.21 | ivoks | drop proftpd |
| 16:29.22 | karsten | ivoks: Why'd you ask? |
| 16:29.24 | ivoks | use vsftpd |
| 16:29.25 | taddeus | hello... |
| 16:29.41 | karsten | !tell taddeus about ask |
| 16:29.42 | taddeus | to listen an audio cd wich application ? please.. |
| 16:29.46 | FieldySnuts | oh quit badgering him about what to use. he's made his choice. |
| 16:29.48 | dvs | taddeus: xmms |
| 16:29.55 | ivoks | karsten for some internal info about debian and feelings about ubuntu :) |
| 16:29.57 | karsten | taddeus: xmms, cdplay, workbone, wmcdplay ... |
| 16:29.58 | taddeus | ok, dvs |
| 16:30.01 | simonrvn | streuner: oh, i'm tired, i thought you said google for riva... sorry |
| 16:30.07 | karsten | taddeus: apt-cache search cd | grep play |
| 16:30.35 | streuner | simonrvn: in groups.google.com of course |
| 16:30.35 | ivoks | karsten wouldn't it be easier to do apt-cache search cd play? :) |
| 16:30.35 | Dabian | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:30.38 | Twisted_Emotions | streuner: What do I edit in that file..? I already looked at it... didnt change anything... seemed fine to me. |
| 16:30.40 | karsten | ivoks: Possibly. |
| 16:30.58 | taddeus | dvs: in /crom can't see any file :\ |
| 16:31.05 | karsten | ivoks: I find seaching for one term and grepping output for the other tends to get good results. |
| 16:31.05 | dockane | pipeline, any idea ? |
| 16:31.07 | streuner | Twisted_Emotions: pardon? |
| 16:31.07 | taddeus | karsten: ok, tnx |
| 16:31.08 | dvs | taddeus: ??? |
| 16:31.23 | karsten | taddeus: audio disk doesn't use files, generally speaking. |
| 16:31.28 | Twisted_Emotions | Dull4o4: LoL... I've already changed programs three times... and I dont think I will be running ftp that much so hows be a problem.. will uninstall it a feel or so. |
| 16:31.29 | ivoks | karsten do wc -l on both |
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| 16:32.00 | taddeus | yes, ok, but xmms can't see my cdrom audio.. what i'm missing ? |
| 16:32.09 | Twisted_Emotions | streuner: Just wanted to know if you know what lines to edit in the config file |
| 16:32.14 | dvs | taddeus: Probably a link to /dev/cdrom |
| 16:32.17 | karsten | ivoks: sec. |
| 16:32.21 | hogmeat | i've noticed i can only solve like 1 or 2 new computer problems per day without drinking a gallon of coffee, and then only in the morning. in the afternoon, i mine as well be drinking liquors. anyone else have this problem? |
| 16:32.31 | taddeus | ah.. ok... |
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| 16:32.52 | karsten | ivoks: 144 yours, 70 mine. |
| 16:33.01 | streuner | Twisted_Emotions: if you refering to ftp, i personally would use something else. |
| 16:33.04 | ivoks | karsten yeah... |
| 16:34.07 | simonrvn | streuner: blah. non-free crap. *sigh* well, i can always bring it back, it was to test ;) |
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| 16:34.37 | Aran | hello i search the german channel #debian.de why i can't it find it. on the web site http://channel.debian.de/ stay that it must be on the server freenode. i have some problems with installing debian throug the floppy/network installation. after downloading and installing more than 10% of the debian packeges it say that error number 135 has happen ! I have ty now two time to install debian... |
| 16:34.38 | Aran | ...throug the floppy installation and it fails allways ! |
| 16:34.43 | dvs | !de |
| 16:34.44 | dpkg | from memory, de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 16:34.58 | simonrvn | Aran: um, /join #debian.de |
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| 16:35.08 | Twisted_Emotions | streuner Dull404: Okay.. you guys win... apt-get remove pro-ftpd |
| 16:35.16 | McKillroy | After setting up sensors and stuff and using the sensors.conf provided by ma mainboard manufacturer (tyan) the CPU 2 TEMP jumps awkwardly between 11 C and 64 C ... is this a hint for a sensor failure or is jumping of sensor values a known issue ? |
| 16:35.32 | Twisted_Emotions | Dull4o4: What should I install? |
| 16:35.59 | simonrvn | don't stick the sensor uner the heatsink? ;p |
| 16:36.08 | simonrvn | under, even |
| 16:36.22 | McKillroy | simonrvn : it built inside the cpu |
| 16:36.24 | karsten | Aran: Websites may not have all channels listed. |
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| 16:36.28 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 16:36.37 | karsten | Aran: /query chanserv list <regex> to find a given channel. |
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| 16:36.57 | Rick-- | streuner, still around ? |
| 16:37.06 | Rick-- | Dual Ultra DMA 66/100 IDE controllers integrated in ICH5R- up to four Ultra ATA drives |
| 16:37.07 | Rick-- | Serial ATA/150 controller integrated in ICH5R- Up to 150MB/sec transfer speeds |
| 16:37.07 | Rick-- | Can connect up to two Serial ATA drives - Supports SATA RAID 0 (Optional) |
| 16:37.11 | Dabian | Oh ... |
| 16:37.25 | Dabian | Its the whole wiki thats spammed like ... |
| 16:37.44 | Rick-- | using a 848P Chipset chipset |
| 16:37.48 | simonrvn | got spammed again? *sigh* |
| 16:37.48 | Dabian | And it cannot be edited ... |
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| 16:37.57 | Dabian | simonrvn: Well, this spam is from februar. |
| 16:38.06 | simonrvn | oh, the old stuff |
| 16:38.13 | Dabian | yeah old spam |
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| 16:38.19 | Rick-- | this is the m/b im using |
| 16:38.19 | Rick-- | http://www.msi.com.tw/program/products/mainboard/mbd/pro_mbd_detail.php?UID=493 |
| 16:38.32 | Dabian | I wished to remove the spam, but it wasn't editable. |
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| 16:38.44 | deckrider | hi, how can I tell what kind of hardware my laptop touch pad is? I have latest debian/sarge 2.6 kernel. |
| 16:38.44 | simonrvn | Dabian: ask tarzeau for an account |
| 16:38.54 | Dabian | simonrvn: ok |
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| 16:39.12 | karsten | deckrider: It's psaux. Dollars to donuts. |
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| 16:39.30 | simonrvn | doughnuts |
| 16:39.41 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 16:39.42 | karsten | simonrvn: donuts. |
| 16:39.45 | simonrvn | doughnuts |
| 16:39.54 | karsten | simonrvn: And while we're at it, yogurt. |
| 16:39.59 | deckrider | karsten: yes, but I'm looking for something more specific....for instance it seems that the xfree86 synaptics driver doesn't work with it |
| 16:40.02 | simonrvn | yogourt |
| 16:40.09 | karsten | deckrider: PS/2 |
| 16:40.11 | simonrvn | neighbour |
| 16:40.11 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: dung? |
| 16:40.12 | ravenbird | it has been said that dung is shit |
| 16:40.17 | fabietto | Hi at all. I'm looking for a good wysiwig html editor... any syggest? |
| 16:40.25 | ivoks | synaptic is crappy for X |
| 16:40.26 | karsten | simonrvn: Rednecks. |
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| 16:40.31 | Dabian | fabietto: Use Emacs instead. |
| 16:40.34 | karsten | fabietto: vim |
| 16:40.34 | simonrvn | rednecks ;p |
| 16:40.36 | jetdotnet | so did anybody tell me why all the ide modules get loaded on boot with a stock debian kernel image, and why they refuse to be unloaded? |
| 16:40.44 | Dabian | fabietto: I heard of one. |
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| 16:40.50 | karsten | fabietto: ...or Bluefish, or Mozilla's Composer thing, if you insist. |
| 16:40.51 | deckrider | ivoks: perhaps...but it does what I need on another laptop I use |
| 16:40.55 | Dabian | fabietto: vum or something. |
| 16:41.01 | simonrvn | oh, composer is crap |
| 16:41.05 | Dabian | fabietto: Its not available for debian. |
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| 16:41.15 | dvs | jetdotnet: Debian kernels use an initrd image so they have all the IDE modules try to load by default |
| 16:41.19 | Dabian | fabietto: Its a linspire package. |
| 16:41.35 | jetdotnet | bluefish, amaya, that kde one is the best so far though i think... ajunta or something? i forget |
| 16:41.56 | Dabian | simonrvn: Your page is spammed with gaysex links also, it seems. |
| 16:41.59 | jetdotnet | dvs ok but why are they all loaded, and why can they not be unloaded |
| 16:42.16 | fabietto | Dabian, karsten: thanks, i will take a look to bluefish or mozilla's composer... i love text editors, but sometimes a visual editor can make my job very easier... :-) |
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| 16:42.24 | OLdNavy | Hi |
| 16:42.24 | karsten | simonrvn: That's why vim was my first suggestion ;-) |
| 16:42.24 | simonrvn | nvu is ok, all things considered. so is bluefish, if you want GUI. otherwise, vim or emacs. they both have nice syntax highlighting. though for *html i'd suggest emacs more strongly, due to the wider support and functions in emacs for html / css |
| 16:42.28 | jetdotnet | loaded != tried_to_load in this case |
| 16:42.29 | Dabian | simonrvn: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/simonrvn |
| 16:42.30 | OLdNavy | Any body can help ? |
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| 16:42.40 | karsten | fabietto: Mind that HTML isn't a WYSYWIG markup. |
| 16:42.44 | jetdotnet | no nobody can help |
| 16:42.44 | simonrvn | Dabian: blah. i'll go fix it... |
| 16:42.49 | Dabian | OLdNavy: Sure .. just listen to the older guys. |
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| 16:42.59 | dvs | jetdotnet: I don't use an initrd image so I don't know why they cannot be unloaded. |
| 16:43.00 | karsten | fabietto: It's more: WYSIWYGBOPMSSCD |
| 16:43.01 | streuner | Rick--: http://groups.google.de/groups?q=ICH5R+sata+debian+sarge&hl=de&lr=&selm=2XDXh-3fR-13%40gated-at.bofh.it&rnum=2 |
| 16:43.06 | Dabian | 2005-02-04 19:37:56 af c-66-176-106-94.se.client2.attbi.com |
| 16:43.07 | OLdNavy | I downloaded Knoppix 3.8 ISO and its running Gently Anybody knows how to remaster means to build my own distro based on the knppix 3.8 ? |
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| 16:43.16 | karsten | fabietto: ... WYSIWYG -- but other people may see something completely different. |
| 16:43.25 | karsten | !knoppix |
| 16:43.25 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek knoppix help in #knoppix. For those of you who don't know, knoppix is a livecd distro based on debian. It's useful as a rescue cd, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it doesn't run debian. http://www.knoppix.com/. Please go to #knoppix |
| 16:43.27 | Dabian | OLdNavy: JOIN #KNOPPIX ::: WE DON*T SUPPORT KNOPPIX! |
| 16:43.29 | jetdotnet | dvs i usually don't but went back.. and this bevhavior is stil the same like since somewhere in the 2.6.10 series |
| 16:43.35 | karsten | OLdNavy: #knoppix is =========> that way. |
| 16:43.51 | youpla | hello |
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| 16:43.57 | Rick-- | streuner, ok.. |
| 16:43.59 | OLdNavy | Dabian Listen please dose the Dabian Has any NEw Live CDs Distro ? |
| 16:43.59 | jetdotnet | OLdNavy: /join #knoppix |
| 16:44.02 | legba | hi |
| 16:44.06 | Dabian | OLdNavy: No. |
| 16:44.08 | karsten | OLdNavy: See you later. |
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| 16:44.19 | karsten | !tell youpla about ask |
| 16:44.23 | jetdotnet | OLdNavy: see also #ubuntu |
| 16:44.24 | OLdNavy | Dabian All should be installed on the hdd no Live ? |
| 16:44.32 | Dabian | OLdNavy: Right. |
| 16:44.43 | OLdNavy | Ok thanks so.. much for the try to help me |
| 16:44.45 | dvs | OLdNavy: If it's a live CD, it ain't Debian |
| 16:44.49 | youpla | I have some problems installing debian on my comp, can someone help me please? |
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| 16:44.55 | OLdNavy | Appreciated karsten debian |
| 16:45.00 | dvs | !tell youpla about ask |
| 16:45.00 | Dabian | OLdNavy: Ubuntu is based on Debian, and so is other distributions .. but Debian itself has nothing live. |
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| 16:45.11 | darkcmd | there are Live cds based on debian technologies though |
| 16:45.21 | Rick-- | streuner, how would i get the device controller |
| 16:45.32 | legba | eny body know how to install a ADSL modem? |
| 16:45.40 | legba | usb modem? |
| 16:45.42 | streuner | Rick--: http://groups.google.de/groups?hl=de&lr=&th=f69b6f7006fefc28&rnum=16 |
| 16:45.43 | fabietto | karsten: ahahah... i'm writing down this definition... :-) |
| 16:45.51 | karsten | fabietto: ;-) |
| 16:46.06 | Rick-- | but, when i execute the shell at the installation |
| 16:46.12 | karsten | fabietto: While you're at it, swing by Zen Garden (google it) to see what CSS can do for you. |
| 16:46.16 | Rick-- | and did lspci, said command not found |
| 16:46.24 | karsten | Rick--: As root. |
| 16:46.35 | karsten | Rick--: ... aptitude install lspci |
| 16:46.45 | streuner | !find lspci |
| 16:46.52 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'lspci' (1): (/bin/lspci, /usr/bin/lspci) in admin/pciutils. |
| 16:47.04 | fabietto | karsten: thank you karsten, but i'm not a newbie... at least in the web designing field... ;-) |
| 16:47.10 | karsten | fabietto: NP. |
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| 16:47.30 | karsten | fabietto: We get all kinds here. |
| 16:47.42 | simonrvn | Dabian: oh, yeh, my entry is SimonRaven, simonrvn got fucked for some reason |
| 16:47.43 | karsten | Rick--: pcitools, FYI, is the package. |
| 16:47.55 | fabietto | karsten: np... don't worry... i really appreciate yours tips! |
| 16:48.02 | streuner | Rick--: well, try #debian-boot and ask what iso you have to download in order to ICH5R sata working |
| 16:48.16 | streuner | karsten: pciutils |
| 16:48.18 | nomed^ | apt-get install -t 2.5-667.3049 pack_name .. will it search for pack_name of that version? |
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| 16:48.25 | karsten | streuner: Doh! Thanks. |
| 16:48.34 | karsten | Rick--: ^^ |
| 16:48.43 | nomed^ | and if it can't find it? will it search for a new one? |
| 16:48.52 | doub | nomed^: methinks the syntax is apt-get install <package>=<version> |
| 16:48.56 | Rick-- | ok |
| 16:48.59 | streuner | karsten: he downloaded the buisness card version, maybe that tools isn't on the CD then... |
| 16:49.15 | karsten | streuner: Hrm. |
| 16:49.17 | streuner | s/that/these/ |
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| 16:49.22 | karsten | Rick--: cat /proc/pci |
| 16:49.28 | karsten | Rick--: ...mostly gives you the same thing. |
| 16:49.43 | nomed^ | doub, i mean -t option .. |
| 16:49.43 | legba | enybody know how tall an ADSL modem? it's a usb modem... I need help on this!! |
| 16:49.52 | simonrvn | wth |
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| 16:50.09 | karsten | Rick--: lspci offers a few formatting/verbosity options. Same underlying data. |
| 16:50.14 | cg0def | for some reason apt-get aptitude and synaptic all stopped working and now I get a seg fault error |
| 16:50.18 | cg0def | how can I fix that |
| 16:50.25 | karsten | cg0def: Post command and error |
| 16:50.29 | simonrvn | that's just as clear as "do you know what colour hair i have?" without seeing a pi of the person. .... |
| 16:50.31 | karsten | !tell cg0def about paster |
| 16:50.38 | karsten | !tell cg0def about smart questions |
| 16:50.41 | simonrvn | s/pi/pic/ |
| 16:50.41 | cg0def | apt-get |
| 16:50.41 | cg0def | Segmentation fault |
| 16:50.59 | youpla | i'm trying to install debian on an old computer, but it seems to bug on the first screen (right after pressing Enter): the last line says "Kernel panic: attempted to kill init" |
| 16:51.18 | cg0def | karsten: there isn't any better way to explain this because I have no idea what is going on |
| 16:51.37 | karsten | cg0def: strace apt-get <action> 2>&1 | tee strace.out |
| 16:51.39 | cg0def | the only thing I did was reboot the computer |
| 16:51.51 | abrotman | !moo |
| 16:51.51 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 16:52.19 | karsten | abrotman: Hrm. Does that exec the standard paths? |
| 16:52.41 | karsten | abrotman: 'aptitude moo' |
| 16:52.47 | karsten | abrotman: ...it's an easter egg. |
| 16:52.56 | dockane | how do i add the option to boot into single user mode to the command line in Palo (bootloader for woody on a parisc-box). the line looks like "2/boot/vmlinux" ? |
| 16:52.58 | rave | !dbpkg jatx |
| 16:53.00 | cg0def | karsten: ok where should I paste the output |
| 16:53.08 | karsten | !tell cg0def about paster |
| 16:53.18 | rave | infobot :) |
| 16:53.38 | nomed^ | is there a way to get a specific version of a package using apt? |
| 16:53.52 | caphuso | nomed^: apt-get install foo=version |
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| 16:54.31 | paster | "cg0def" at 69.165.2.12 pasted "apt-get problem" (58 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/71 |
| 16:54.44 | karsten | cg0def: Gotit. |
| 16:54.53 | cg0def | yeah |
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| 16:55.27 | abrotman | karsten: uhm |
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| 16:55.39 | streuner | cg0def: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 16:56.03 | cg0def | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-21 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 16:56.44 | mortum | hello |
| 16:56.46 | mortum | why debian dont mount the ide devices if i boot from sata? |
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| 16:56.58 | dvs | mortum: What kernel are you using? |
| 16:57.18 | karsten | cg0def: Do you have an /etc/apt/apt.conf ? |
| 16:57.34 | cg0def | yeah but let me check if it's still there |
| 16:57.37 | hogmeat | for a continuous stream of network data, i wanted to filter out specific keep-alive traffic, and data from specific servers. the problem i was having is that grep pipped through grep seemed to buffer the data stream, so information was no longer real time (e.g. tcpdump -i eth0 | grep -v myserver | grep -v keep-alive-traffic). does anyone know a better tool to use that would not block, and allow real-time traffic (e.g. like sed or some |
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| 16:57.47 | karsten | cg0def: ...and/or create/edit to have the line "APT::Cache-Limit "25165824"; |
| 16:57.48 | darkcmd | I'm using GDM and such.. how can I get completely out of X? |
| 16:57.50 | karsten | " |
| 16:57.53 | AjB | what can i do to probe for onboard modules? |
| 16:57.58 | mortum | kernel-image-2.6.8-11-amd64-k8 |
| 16:58.03 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 212.112.224.176 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED F" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/72 |
| 16:58.11 | streuner | darkcmd: skill -c gdm |
| 16:58.13 | karsten | cg0def: APT::Cache-Limit "25165824"; |
| 16:58.15 | Phated | Oh, FFS/ |
| 16:58.19 | airox | :D |
| 16:58.19 | mortum | i can mount /dev/hdb later but not while booting |
| 16:58.22 | dvs | They're back |
| 16:58.24 | dabreegster | op! |
| 16:58.25 | caphuso | !moo is also http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
| 16:58.25 | dpkg | okay, caphuso |
| 16:58.39 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 212.112.224.176 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED F" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/73 |
| 16:58.41 | Rick-- | karsten, ermm.. no such file |
| 16:58.44 | airox | :D |
| 16:58.45 | cg0def | karsten: there is no /etc/apt/apt.conf but there is an /etc/apt/apt.conf.d |
| 16:58.46 | airox | lol |
| 16:58.46 | caphuso | shit |
| 16:58.47 | Rick-- | i am at the install shell dude |
| 16:58.47 | airox | What |
| 16:58.51 | Phated | One must give credit where originality is used... |
| 16:58.51 | streuner | !ops GNAA-BOT |
| 16:58.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: GNAA-BOT |
| 16:58.55 | paster | "GNAA-BOT" at 140.247.62.121 pasted "[GNAA] ARE YOU GAY? ARE YOU A NIGGER? ARE YOU A *GAY NIGGER*? THEN THE GNAA WANTS YOU! VISIT HTTP://GNAA.US/ FOR INFORMATION. FUCK YOUS GO OUT TO HELIX PHATED F" (1 line) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/74 |
| 16:58.57 | cg0def | karsten: is that the way it's supposed to be? |
| 16:59.02 | *** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ |
| 16:59.05 | *** mode/#debian [+q paster!*@*] by caphuso |
| 16:59.09 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
| 16:59.10 | karsten | cg0def: OK. Create the file. It doesn't exist by default. |
| 16:59.11 | caphuso | sorry |
| 16:59.16 | airox | :) |
| 16:59.22 | dvs | streuner: I guess we can't use that to paste anymore |
| 16:59.26 | hogmeat | i'm a gay nigger ;-) |
| 16:59.27 | darkcmd | look |
| 16:59.31 | darkcmd | an ip address |
| 16:59.32 | dvs | see ya |
| 16:59.33 | hogmeat | ignore is easy |
| 16:59.34 | karsten | hogmeat: Don't go there. |
| 16:59.38 | mortum | dvs: yo know what i must do? |
| 16:59.43 | dabreegster | Whoever runs the pastebot; can't they block gnaa? |
| 16:59.49 | karsten | caphuso: Can you ban based on nick + text? |
| 16:59.57 | AjB | what can i do to probe for onboard modules... anyone know? |
| 16:59.58 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Is pastebot yours? |
| 17:00.09 | cg0def | karsten: ok |
| 17:00.21 | FieldySnuts | no |
| 17:00.29 | cg0def | karsten: now what it still doesn't work |
| 17:00.39 | caphuso | karsten: no |
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| 17:01.09 | caphuso | dondelelcaro runs paster |
| 17:01.16 | karsten | caphuso: Kill that file, just a possibility. Usually it's a different error. |
| 17:01.16 | zinx | +q it :/ |
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| 17:01.22 | karsten | caphuso: missfire. |
| 17:01.22 | FieldySnuts | he did |
| 17:01.25 | zinx | oh |
| 17:01.27 | zinx | oops :P |
| 17:01.32 | karsten | cg0def: ^^ kill the file. (delete it). |
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| 17:01.53 | anto9us | AjB, I think it's modprobe -c |
| 17:01.56 | karsten | cg0def: Actually, the content ain't bad, but let's not change things until we get the real problem fixed. |
| 17:01.59 | dvs | mortum: That one has got me. If you're using a Debian kernel, then all the IDE devices should be in the kernel or in the initrd image |
| 17:02.01 | caphuso | if i ever get my hands on one of those gnaa morons, i'm going to kick his 13 years old butt |
| 17:02.03 | AjB | thanks anto |
| 17:02.16 | cg0def | karsten: ok it's gone |
| 17:02.16 | FieldySnuts | caphuso: probably more like 9. |
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| 17:02.27 | caphuso | and possibly break a few of his fingers |
| 17:02.27 | jerome_ | help ! troubles with totem using ati radeon 9000 xfree ati drv vesa |
| 17:02.29 | Dull4o4 | is rar/unrar not availible? need to enable non-free us, or 3rd party repos? |
| 17:02.34 | dabreegster | I'd guess 7. |
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| 17:02.41 | caphuso | Dull4o4: non-free |
| 17:02.50 | dabreegster | Dull4o4: nonfree I believe |
| 17:03.04 | Dull4o4 | caphuso, ok thanks |
| 17:03.19 | mortum | dvs: yes, i know. but if i boot from my sata disk the system dont mount /dev/hdb (it is in /etc/fstab) |
| 17:03.32 | karsten | @seen don_inlab |
| 17:03.32 | ravenbird | i haven't seen 'don_inlab', karsten |
| 17:03.36 | karsten | @seen dondelelcaro |
| 17:03.36 | ravenbird | dondelelcaro is currently on #debian #debian-bots. Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 23h 41m 29s |
| 17:03.54 | mortum | i need something like hdb=ide-disk in grub? |
| 17:03.56 | Phated | Yeesh, a whole day? |
| 17:04.06 | cg0def | karsten: isn't there a way to reinstall apt-get and reset the config files? |
| 17:04.10 | caphuso | karsten: you don't need to use the bot, and especially not using it without /msg to get that information |
| 17:04.16 | karsten | don_inlab: Kill your bot or filter GNAA please, kthx ;-) |
| 17:04.16 | dvs | mortum: What else do you boot from? |
| 17:04.22 | cg0def | karsten: dpkg still works (i think) |
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| 17:04.34 | karsten | caphuso: PSA ;-) |
| 17:04.43 | Phated | caphuso: No kidding. I'd help. |
| 17:05.00 | karsten | cg0def: dpkg -i --reinstall IIRC. man dpkg. |
| 17:05.02 | jerome_ | help ! troubles with totem using ati radeon 9000 xfree ati drv vesa |
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| 17:05.32 | karsten | caphuso: There's a few people wondering the same thing. |
| 17:05.34 | AjB | what do i edit to make xfree86 not boot up a window manager when i turn my pc on |
| 17:05.50 | mortum | dvs: i boot grom sata disk (/dev/sda) and i need to mount /dev/hdb (/dev/hdb1 /var/chroot reiserfs defaults 0 0) but it dont work |
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| 17:06.31 | dvs | mortum: Oh reiser. Are you loading the reiserfs kernel module? |
| 17:06.48 | mortum | ummm |
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| 17:07.12 | karsten | caphuso: I'm emailing Don about this. |
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| 17:07.26 | drac | jetdotnet: You should use 'radeon' driver for that card. |
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| 17:07.46 | mortum | echo reiserfs >> /dev/modules? |
| 17:07.54 | drac | jetdotnet: modprobe drm, modprobe radeon, and driver "radeon" in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4. |
| 17:07.56 | dvs | mortum: Yeah |
| 17:08.05 | drac | err |
| 17:08.07 | drac | jerome. |
| 17:08.12 | drac | he's gone. |
| 17:08.13 | drac | :) |
| 17:08.17 | Phated | Ehm? /etc/modules, I hope you mean. |
| 17:08.21 | mortum | i'm going to try |
| 17:08.30 | mortum | see you |
| 17:08.37 | dvs | Oops! I missed that. Thanks |
| 17:08.47 | carter_berlin | can somebody suggest a good console/web-based firewall admin tool? shorewall perhaps? |
| 17:08.51 | Dull4o4 | caphuso, ftp.XX.debian.org/debian-non-free/ <-- that's it? |
| 17:08.54 | Phated | mortum: /etc/modules, not /dev/modules... whatever that is. |
| 17:08.56 | Dabian | Phated: You're mentioned in the GNAA news? |
| 17:08.56 | Aran | Thank you very much karsten,simonrvn and dpkg for the #debian.de help ! Greetings Aran. |
| 17:08.57 | dpkg | pas de quoi, Aran |
| 17:09.08 | Phated | Dabian: Your ability to read remains, I see. |
| 17:09.13 | caphuso | Dull4o4: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 17:09.25 | Dull4o4 | caphuso, :P |
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| 17:09.40 | dabreegster | Phated: that gnaa dude is annoying |
| 17:09.48 | FieldySnuts | dabreegster: the sky is blue. |
| 17:09.50 | Dabian | Phated: Your deduction skills surprise me. |
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| 17:09.57 | Phated | Dabian: No kidding. |
| 17:10.06 | dabreegster | FieldySnuts: Badgers ate Thanksgiving. |
| 17:10.18 | AjB | what do i edit to make xfree86 not boot up a window manager when i turn my pc on.. i just want to boot to the normal CLI |
| 17:10.23 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Phated: Get a room! |
| 17:10.25 | dabreegster | Phated: Have you morphed into some sort of half-animal? |
| 17:10.29 | Phated | Ehm. s/Dabian/dabreegster/, I wouldn't want to address him. |
| 17:10.29 | caphuso | karsten: channel! |
| 17:10.32 | Phated | dabreegster: Not at all. |
| 17:10.36 | drac | AjB: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 17:10.36 | dabreegster | AjB: check /etc/rc2.d |
| 17:10.43 | karsten | caphuso: No, room ;-) |
| 17:10.43 | FieldySnuts | it's okay we just took it somewhere else |
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| 17:11.00 | FieldySnuts | wait a tick that doesn't sound clean |
| 17:11.03 | dabreegster | AjB: look for startx or gdm/kdm/xdm and rm the symlink |
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| 17:11.49 | drac | AjB: Don't remove anything by hand, just look what dpkg has to say about nodm :P |
| 17:11.58 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
| 17:12.06 | Phated | dabreegster: Sorry, dahling, you haven't met FieldySnuts, have you. |
| 17:12.09 | AjB | thank you |
| 17:12.13 | dabreegster | drac: it's not dangerous; just a symlink |
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| 17:12.17 | karsten | Phated: *he's* the one supposed to be pwhipped. |
| 17:12.28 | Phated | karsten: Hmmm? Who? |
| 17:12.36 | dockane | how do i delete a charakter in cu ? |
| 17:12.44 | drac | dabreegster: what get's back on next upgrade .. |
| 17:12.45 | dabreegster | Phated: I've seen him around. whois FieldySnuts; |
| 17:12.52 | carter_berlin | anybody? firewall guru? hello? |
| 17:13.00 | doublehp | is it right that it comes more and more difficult to install Linux on Apple computers ? or just on their laptops ? |
| 17:13.00 | paulswm | !prize karsten |
| 17:13.00 | AjB | what exactly is a symlink.. a shortcut or something? |
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| 17:13.05 | paulswm | :P |
| 17:13.06 | dabreegster | drac: Yeah, something will end up there again. |
| 17:13.08 | karsten | paulswm: bandages are for wimps. |
| 17:13.20 | paulswm | karsten: or gags :) |
| 17:13.24 | anto9us | AjB, exactly that, yes |
| 17:13.27 | karsten | carter_berlin: Shorewall's recommended. |
| 17:13.29 | AjB | oh, ok |
| 17:13.34 | karsten | paulswm: Point. |
| 17:13.38 | carter_berlin | thanks karsten |
| 17:13.45 | FieldySnuts | now what did I do? |
| 17:13.47 | AjB | so removing a symlink isnt removing the actual program, but could cause things that depend on the symlink to have problems |
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| 17:13.59 | anto9us | AjB, yes |
| 17:14.04 | dabreegster | AjB: yes. |
| 17:14.04 | carter_berlin | i'm a little tired of writing and rewriting my own rc.firewall. getting lazy in my old age. |
| 17:14.23 | karsten | carter_berlin: It's pretty simple to set up, you want to edit /etc/shorewall/shorewall.conf and 'rules'. Get 'em out of /usr/share/doc/shorewall first. |
| 17:14.37 | karsten | paulswm: Sorry about the blood & spit. |
| 17:14.39 | carter_berlin | and it doesn't require X/GTK/QT? |
| 17:14.43 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 17:14.46 | karsten | AjB: yes. |
| 17:14.46 | FieldySnuts | my knee hurts |
| 17:14.57 | karsten | carter_berlin: Yeah, that's what drove me to shorewall. |
| 17:15.00 | Phated | Getting old, are you. |
| 17:15.05 | carter_berlin | i don't really want to install a GUI on this server, cos there won't be anybody there to look at pretty icons |
| 17:15.14 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Better? |
| 17:15.21 | carter_berlin | Phated: 27 is old in this game, isn't it? |
| 17:15.26 | FieldySnuts | quick pickin on me |
| 17:15.31 | Phated | carter_berlin: Certainly. |
| 17:15.31 | karsten | Phated: You'd like the chance, eh? |
| 17:15.34 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: try to cut down on jabbing it into peoples groins, it won't hurt so much then :P |
| 17:15.35 | karsten | carter_berlin: Hush. |
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| 17:15.49 | Phated | karsten: Of what? Amputating your head? Yes. |
| 17:15.59 | karsten | paulswm: Spiked cups rule ;-) |
| 17:16.05 | paulswm | HAHA |
| 17:16.07 | karsten | Phated: Getting old. |
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| 17:16.11 | carter_berlin | then again i have just had an extremely strong espresso and my head is kinda buzzing. maybe i'm not 27 after all |
| 17:16.13 | FieldySnuts | she is not |
| 17:16.14 | Phated | karsten: It hasn't happened. |
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| 17:16.25 | karsten | Phated: ...though, if you'd like to do things to my... Um. Nevermind. |
| 17:16.32 | Phated | karsten: No. |
| 17:16.34 | karsten | Phated: Not likely either AFAICT ;-) |
| 17:16.44 | Phated | karsten: Indeed. |
| 17:16.45 | dockane | i just need to delete one character .... but it alway draws [~ or something else in cu. help please |
| 17:16.50 | carter_berlin | WLANs and strong coffee in berlin rocks. |
| 17:16.59 | paulswm | or karsten even |
| 17:17.11 | mortum | dvs: it dont work. when it try mount /deb/hdb the devices not exist |
| 17:17.22 | Phated | dabreegster: A den of scum an villainy, as it always has been, deary. |
| 17:17.27 | karsten | carter_berlin: Opera / classical fan perchance? |
| 17:17.41 | FieldySnuts | Phated: that and it's Sunday in some parts of the world, crazy |
| 17:17.48 | Phated | FieldySnuts: Ahhh, yes... |
| 17:17.50 | dabreegster | Phated: Maybe I'll start hanging out in #perl again. Only naughty thing there is buu. |
| 17:17.56 | karsten | dabreegster: We're a social bunch, you see... |
| 17:17.58 | paulswm | dabreegster: it's always been this way as far as I can remember |
| 17:18.04 | FieldySnuts | dabreegster: and beth. |
| 17:18.04 | Phated | dabreegster: Wot, that idiot? |
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| 17:18.17 | FieldySnuts | i haven't seen beth around here in a while |
| 17:18.28 | dabreegster | FieldySnuts: ah, yes. is she still a zombie? |
| 17:18.29 | paulswm | dabreegster: It is fun here, though, provided your skin is > 4" thick |
| 17:18.41 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: yours is 2" thick. |
| 17:18.46 | dabreegster | paulswm: I know. I can be a crazy teen too. When I want to. |
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| 17:18.52 | carter_berlin | karsten: nope, been living in berlin since november last year |
| 17:18.56 | karsten | paulswm: Would that be 4-skin then? |
| 17:18.58 | mike-M | hello |
| 17:19.02 | karsten | carter_berlin: Ok. |
| 17:19.02 | FieldySnuts | carter_berlin: german born? |
| 17:19.08 | karsten | !tell mike-M about ask. |
| 17:19.08 | Phated | dabreegster: You're too old to be a teen. ;) |
| 17:19.14 | carter_berlin | nope, NZ-born, german-speaking |
| 17:19.14 | paulswm | !karsten++ |
| 17:19.16 | Phated | karsten: ... |
| 17:19.17 | mike-M | :) |
| 17:19.18 | FieldySnuts | interesting |
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| 17:19.29 | karsten | Phated: ... |
| 17:19.33 | carter_berlin | some russian too... |
| 17:19.34 | mortum | i need to put any parameter to kernel? |
| 17:19.36 | dabreegster | Phated: I'm 13. I'm just getting started. |
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| 17:19.39 | karsten | carter_berlin: Richtig. |
| 17:19.44 | FieldySnuts | !irritate karsten |
| 17:19.45 | dpkg | karsten: HELP ME!!! who uses sound ???/ |
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| 17:19.55 | karsten | dabreegster: ...in several senses of the term... |
| 17:19.56 | carter_berlin | karsten: wohnst du in deutschland? |
| 17:20.00 | mike-M | everything is okay :) |
| 17:20.00 | Phated | dabreegster: I don't refer to physical age, geez, who bothers with THAT nowadays? |
| 17:20.00 | dabreegster | Phated: I just totally fail to act my age because I've experienced various little things that have changed me. |
| 17:20.04 | cg0def | karsten: I found out one problem |
| 17:20.12 | Dabian | dabreegster: I see. |
| 17:20.13 | dabreegster | Phated: Well, the government... |
| 17:20.18 | dabreegster | karsten: Hah. |
| 17:20.19 | karsten | carter_berlin: Nein, aber mein Kousin singt mit den Berlin Stadtoper. |
| 17:20.19 | cg0def | karsten: the information for the installed pkgs is gone |
| 17:20.23 | Phated | dabreegster: You see them around here? |
| 17:20.31 | karsten | cg0def: Do tell. |
| 17:20.34 | dabreegster | Dabian: I don't. I need to clean my glasses. |
| 17:20.36 | Nach | I have a complaint about Debian and how they handle bugs, who should I complain to? |
| 17:20.36 | prodope | can anyone recommend a good nntp client console application? |
| 17:20.36 | paulswm | Acting one's age is greatly overrated |
| 17:20.39 | karsten | cg0def: Sounds like a hosed /var. |
| 17:20.40 | dabreegster | Phated: Well... |
| 17:20.42 | carter_berlin | karsten: wo wohnst du denn? |
| 17:20.47 | cg0def | karsten: synaprics and apt-get and such seem to start but they say that there are no pkgs installed |
| 17:20.48 | karsten | cg0def: Can you confirm.? |
| 17:20.51 | karsten | cg0def: Napa, CA. |
| 17:20.53 | Phated | dabreegster: HAH. |
| 17:20.54 | FieldySnuts | Nach: file a bug :) kidding |
| 17:21.11 | carter_berlin | karsten: und wo hast du deutsch gelernt? |
| 17:21.11 | Nach | FieldySnuts, my problem is that Debian DOESN'T file bugs |
| 17:21.14 | linoleum | hello, I 've got an audigy 2 with a remote control , I use Rythmbox under gnome, is it possible to use my remote control to control my music ??? |
| 17:21.19 | karsten | carter_berlin: Ich bin amerikaner, aber kann nur ein bisschen... |
| 17:21.20 | FieldySnuts | Nach: talking to the wrong person, sorry |
| 17:21.26 | dabreegster | Phated: I don't see the government, but the Voices seem to be showing up in this reality again. |
| 17:21.33 | karsten | carter_berlin: Nach heim & Deutscheradio. |
| 17:21.33 | ctmnz | what is greates mirror fot debian packetes |
| 17:21.39 | Phated | dabreegster: Poor lad. Get some rest, eh. |
| 17:21.48 | carter_berlin | ok... interessant. hier gibt's viele amerikaner |
| 17:21.51 | karsten | cg0def: Can you confirm that your /var partition is intact? |
| 17:21.53 | cg0def | karsten: well actually var is fine |
| 17:21.54 | Nach | Is there any reason when Debian gets a bug report with a program they don't pass the bug reports onto the developers of the program? |
| 17:21.58 | karsten | cg0def: Hrm. |
| 17:21.59 | sussudio | !dachs carter_berlin |
| 17:22.00 | dpkg | carter_berlin: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 17:22.01 | mike-M | carter_berlin: hallo, ich bin franzos |
| 17:22.04 | cg0def | karsten: yeah I know |
| 17:22.04 | dabreegster | Phated: It's only noon. And I've got a big day. |
| 17:22.08 | FieldySnuts | sussudio: heh |
| 17:22.08 | karsten | Nach: Lame-ass DDs. |
| 17:22.11 | Phated | dabreegster: Yeah? |
| 17:22.27 | dabreegster | Phated: I am preparing for tonight (and possibly Danielle, if she goes) by meditating, playing text adventures, and blowing out my ears with trance |
| 17:22.33 | carter_berlin | oops, i've mistakenly turned this into a german irc channel |
| 17:22.40 | karsten | carter_berlin: ;-) |
| 17:22.42 | carter_berlin | back to the real topic... |
| 17:22.45 | cg0def | karsten: the only thing is that / and var are on the same partiton so I have to reboot in order to run a full partition test |
| 17:22.47 | paulswm | !lart carter_berlin |
| 17:22.58 | Phated | dabreegster: Do not cause me to become jealous that you get to watch H2G2. You wouldn't like me when I'm jealous. |
| 17:23.03 | Nach | karsten, anything to be done about it? |
| 17:23.16 | shido6 | how do I watch TV on my radeon 9800 AIW ? |
| 17:23.20 | karsten | cg0def: what's in /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
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| 17:23.33 | karsten | Nach: LART the DD. |
| 17:23.35 | dabreegster | Phated: I get to watch H2G2. And you don't. Because a theater isn't showing it. |
| 17:23.51 | karsten | FieldySnuts: I wouldn't be bragging about my "hidden reasons" if I were you . |
| 17:23.51 | carter_berlin | my laptop has a batt flattery... seeyas next time |
| 17:23.56 | Phated | dabreegster: Fuckyou. |
| 17:24.03 | paulswm | it is not possible to escape the wrath of Phated |
| 17:24.13 | FieldySnuts | no it is, you just have to kill yourself first. |
| 17:24.15 | dabreegster | Yes it is. |
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| 17:24.18 | karsten | carter_berlin: ciao. |
| 17:24.21 | Phated | dabreegster: Fuckyouallthewaytohellandmayyoudieaslowandpainfuldeath. |
| 17:24.21 | dabreegster | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.26 | nomed^ | is there a mirror that mantain version of packages that are not anymore in testing or unstable like alien 8.48 or apt 0.5.27? |
| 17:24.38 | nomed^ | and so on .. |
| 17:24.39 | cg0def | karsten: it's full of stuff like it's supposed to |
| 17:24.41 | dabreegster | Phated: I already have, I think. |
| 17:24.54 | Phated | dabreegster: Oh. All right, then, you're forgiven. Have a good time. |
| 17:24.58 | cg0def | karsten: looks alright but there might still be a problem with the partiton |
| 17:25.02 | dabreegster | Phated: Don't worry, I'm sure it'll be there soon. |
| 17:25.04 | Phated | karsten: PIRATE! |
| 17:25.12 | karsten | Phated: Arrr! |
| 17:25.14 | Phated | dabreegster: It damn well better be, or I'm downloading it. ;) |
| 17:25.15 | dabreegster | Phated: I will. Or at least I think that I think that I shall. |
| 17:25.28 | karsten | cg0def: Um. what do you mean about pkg info/status being missing? |
| 17:25.42 | dabreegster | Phated: If you find it, I'd like the URL. :P |
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| 17:25.46 | Phated | dabreegster: Well, most people have said it was good, so, y'know. |
| 17:25.47 | FieldySnuts | !locate h2g2-divx |
| 17:25.52 | FieldySnuts | dpkg: hi |
| 17:25.52 | dpkg | privet |
| 17:25.52 | Phated | dabreegster: What, the movie or the OST? |
| 17:25.58 | FieldySnuts | bleh somebody removed it, already |
| 17:26.03 | cg0def | karsten: well synaptic shows 0 packages installed and so does aptitude |
| 17:26.11 | dabreegster | Phated: ost. |
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| 17:26.18 | mozzy | hi there |
| 17:26.23 | Phated | dabreegster: Ah. |
| 17:26.37 | karsten | cg0def: Do you or do you not have /var/lib/dpkg/status ? |
| 17:26.38 | dabreegster | Phated: in the uk trailer, "and lastly, there's a final montage..." whenever slartibartfast & arthur enter the building floor of Magretha, some shwoo rock plays |
| 17:26.39 | paulswm | 794 people say 'hi' right back at mozzy |
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| 17:26.52 | mozzy | have a small problem |
| 17:26.53 | dabreegster | brb. phone call. |
| 17:26.58 | karsten | !tell mozzy about ask |
| 17:27.03 | Phated | dabreegster: What is "shwoo rock", pray tell? |
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| 17:27.18 | Sm4sh | When I add a rule in Firestarter,why I cant set only Tcp or Udp protocol??? |
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| 17:27.49 | cg0def | karsten: yes I do however it is almost an empty file |
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| 17:27.58 | cg0def | karsten: there is only one listing in it |
| 17:28.06 | mozzy | installed ubuntu today. it didn't ask for a root password. is there a default password? |
| 17:28.14 | abrotman | mozzy: wrong channel |
| 17:28.16 | yang | Is there a solution for Nvidia Geforce graphic cars, MY X freeze twice a day |
| 17:28.29 | mozzy | thought ubuntu is a child of debian |
| 17:28.33 | cg0def | karsten: is there a way to recreate that file |
| 17:28.33 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 17:28.33 | dpkg | ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu, or http://interviews.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=144934&cid=12136879 |
| 17:28.40 | abrotman | mozzy: use #ubuntu |
| 17:28.42 | cg0def | karsten: something went really wrong |
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| 17:28.50 | mozzy | thank you |
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| 17:29.16 | drac | yang: Make sure you don't have AGP FastWrite enabled.. in BIOS. |
| 17:29.18 | Phated | Should've got resiak to do that, he has a !ubuntu keybinding. :) |
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| 17:29.26 | abrotman | wrong wrong wrong |
| 17:29.38 | slidnet2 | hey guys. with 2.4 kernel is there a way to burn cds without SCSI emulation ? |
| 17:29.48 | Phated | abrotman: Eh? |
| 17:29.50 | FieldySnuts | nope |
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| 17:29.53 | yang | drac: under which setting is that AGP setting? |
| 17:30.00 | abrotman | slidnet2: yes .. if your CDR drive is scsi :) |
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| 17:30.06 | FieldySnuts | @not supporting Ubuntu |
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| 17:30.11 | FieldySnuts | argh |
| 17:30.12 | drac | yang: I guess that depends on your BIOS, can't be hard to find. |
| 17:30.21 | slidnet2 | elsewhere is there a way to install scsi emulation without rebooting ? |
| 17:30.23 | andyb | when i type discover i get 8 devices that say "unknown unknown" what does this mean? |
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| 17:30.25 | yang | ok, i am gonna reboot and see |
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| 17:30.45 | abrotman | slidnet2: probably not .. you have to tell the kernel to ignore your IDE CDRW drive at boot time afaik |
| 17:30.49 | dopeic | someone here that have got a memory card working under linux? |
| 17:30.58 | karsten | cg0def: Modem bounce at 33 after the hour, replay anything since. |
| 17:30.58 | dopeic | that uses pcmcia slot |
| 17:31.07 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 17:31.21 | karsten | cg0def: Make that 28 after. |
| 17:31.26 | abrotman | karsten: who is your ISP? |
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| 17:31.36 | cg0def | karsten: the status file is almost empty so I need to recreate it somehow |
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| 17:33.09 | cg0def | karsten: my FS probably has some problems too if it lost a file so I will check it for errors too |
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| 17:33.54 | cg0def | karsten: but that still doesn't really solve my /var/lib/dpkg/status problem |
| 17:34.05 | cg0def | karsten; that file is as good as gone |
| 17:34.07 | karsten | abrotman: Earthlink. Dialup. |
| 17:34.16 | abrotman | karsten: i had earthlink .. i never got kicked |
| 17:34.16 | karsten | abrotman: 720 minute timeout (12 hours). |
| 17:34.21 | abrotman | oh .. 12 hours |
| 17:34.26 | abrotman | i was never connected that long :) |
| 17:34.35 | karsten | cg0def: I wrote a script for that. Secn. |
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| 17:34.58 | abrotman | karsten: doesn't verizon have that $30 package in your area? |
| 17:35.10 | yang | drac: I have AGP fastwrite disabled, but X are still freezing, happens randomly |
| 17:35.16 | karsten | abrotman: Haven't seen it. Lots of comcast fliers |
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| 17:35.29 | smurfy | hi |
| 17:35.29 | abrotman | karsten: comcast is $$ |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | karsten: go to verizon.com ... put in your phone number :) |
| 17:35.51 | smurfy | any one have any idea about traffic quota for every host |
| 17:35.54 | smurfy | ? |
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| 17:36.29 | cg0def | what's a good recovery CD that has file system tools included? |
| 17:36.33 | abrotman | IP traffic accounting |
| 17:36.42 | abrotman | toms is ok |
| 17:36.50 | smurfy | yes |
| 17:36.53 | rectum | back from sleeping |
| 17:37.00 | smurfy | ipaccounting |
| 17:37.11 | smurfy | i need a program to give quota for every user in my cable |
| 17:37.16 | abrotman | rectum: can't you pick a better nick ? |
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| 17:38.01 | seldon | cg0def: I usually use knoppix for that sort of stuff. If you need a small one, check out http://www.sysresccd.org/ |
| 17:38.21 | mike-M | how can I get a default configuration file again (for kdm) with dpkg ? I'm trying dpkg --configure but it answers that the package is already installed and he can't affort my wish |
| 17:38.36 | abrotman | mike-M: dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 17:38.55 | cg0def | seldon: thx I'll check it out. I used to use the gentoo live-cd (about the only thing it's good for) |
| 17:39.05 | mike-M | it doesn't ask me for the configuration file, it only asked me when I upgraded kdm |
| 17:39.06 | karsten | cg0def: Sec here... |
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| 17:39.13 | mike-M | because the config was different |
| 17:39.32 | mike-M | with priority low it don't work as well |
| 17:39.33 | karsten | cg0def: First: disappearing status files is bad news. If you can find out _why_ that happened (and if anything else is missing) I'd be happier. |
| 17:39.34 | abrotman | mike-M: dpkg-reconfigure -plow kdm .. maybe? |
| 17:39.43 | rectum | abrotman: can't you pick a better nick |
| 17:39.45 | abrotman | mike-M: then purge it .. then reinstall it |
| 17:39.48 | cg0def | karsten: well so would I |
| 17:39.54 | abrotman | rectum: it's my fucking name you insensitive clod |
| 17:40.05 | karsten | cg0def: Second: you've got backup copies in /var/lib/dpkg/status-old and /var/backups/dpkg.status* |
| 17:40.07 | abrotman | so unless your name is Randy Ectum ... |
| 17:40.08 | rectum | abrotman: it's my n ame you insensitive clod |
| 17:40.10 | karsten | cg0def: ...which you can look at. |
| 17:40.10 | Phated | Maybe he's Richard Ectum. |
| 17:40.15 | andyb | where do external hard drives show up in linux after you plug them into your usb port?\ |
| 17:40.15 | cg0def | karsten: before I rebooted I was having problems with unmounting a flash drive so might be related |
| 17:40.15 | mike-M | yes, I'm going to do that :) thank you abrotman |
| 17:40.30 | abrotman | Phated: or maybe he's an idiot ? |
| 17:40.36 | rectum | maybe |
| 17:40.38 | karsten | cg0def: Good recovery disks: LNX-BBC, Knoppix. |
| 17:40.39 | Phated | abrotman: Maybe. |
| 17:40.44 | abrotman | no maybe :) |
| 17:40.49 | cg0def | karsten: ok let me check if the backup is still good |
| 17:40.51 | rectum | ok I admit |
| 17:40.54 | rectum | i am an idiot |
| 17:40.55 | rectum | :/ |
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| 17:41.00 | abrotman | karsten: isn't BBC done ? |
| 17:41.02 | karsten | cg0def: Otherwise, gimme a sec to find a URL... |
| 17:41.06 | karsten | abrotman: No. |
| 17:41.18 | karsten | abrotman: Hasn't released for a while, but still actively developed. |
| 17:41.19 | abrotman | oh ..i thought they stopped it .. oh wait .. i'm thinking of the linuxcare CD |
| 17:41.25 | karsten | abrotman: Yes. |
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| 17:41.31 | karsten | abrotman: LNX-BBC is mostly the same team. |
| 17:41.35 | abrotman | i know |
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| 17:42.55 | stew | yay: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00023.html |
| 17:43.04 | stew | things are looking up |
| 17:43.30 | `Sphere` | hi.. I've just finished setting up proftpd as a standalone server... but seems like all uploads are capped at 25kb/s .. config file looks okay.. any idea where I can change that ? |
| 17:43.32 | cg0def | karsten: ok I found a good backup |
| 17:43.36 | karsten | cg0def: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-rescue-var |
| 17:43.39 | karsten | cg0def: OK. |
| 17:43.53 | cahoot | abrotman: would rectus be equally provocative? |
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| 17:44.01 | karsten | cg0def: Just FYI then, because basically, /usr/share/doc/[a-z]* *is* a list of your installed packages ... |
| 17:44.13 | karsten | cg0def: ... http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-recover-status |
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| 17:44.54 | abrotman | stew: gonna change wwsr? |
| 17:45.02 | stew | sure |
| 17:45.05 | groton | hello all. anyone want to help a newbie linux user? maybe in PM it is better :) |
| 17:45.06 | stew | !wwsr |
| 17:45.07 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, in april 2005. Latest release update : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 17:45.14 | karsten | cg0def: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
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| 17:45.30 | abrotman | stew: you gonna do it or should i? |
| 17:45.37 | jtaylor | when i try to install a debian package i get the error Setting up openssi-webview (0.2-2) ...dpkg: error processing openssi-webview (--install): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1. --- How might I fix this or see whats even failing? |
| 17:45.41 | stew | abrotman: go ahead |
| 17:45.50 | stew | i've been having bad luck with the bots |
| 17:45.54 | karsten | !dpkg package database repair is http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/package-database-rebuild.html |
| 17:45.54 | stew | !hate me |
| 17:45.55 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 17:46.06 | karsten | !tell groton about ask |
| 17:46.09 | karsten | !tell groton about msg |
| 17:46.10 | mike-M | ++ |
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| 17:46.19 | pingouin_ | !vancouver |
| 17:46.25 | dpkg | i guess vancouver is the city with the highest standard of living on earth. the vancouver prospectus proposes criteria for architectures support aiming to reduce release times : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html |
| 17:46.43 | cg0def | karsten: thanks I'll look through all that stuff and i think I have it from here |
| 17:46.47 | cg0def | karsten: thanks for the help |
| 17:46.50 | karsten | cg0def: OK. |
| 17:46.52 | karsten | cg0def: NP. |
| 17:46.58 | pingouin_ | !love me |
| 17:47.07 | pingouin_ | uhuu |
| 17:47.12 | abrotman | stew: apparently i'm not smart enough |
| 17:47.21 | abrotman | wwsr =~ s#http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html#http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00023.html# |
| 17:47.24 | Sm4sh | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:47.32 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 17:47.32 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, in april 2005. Latest release update : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 17:47.34 | abrotman | wtf |
| 17:47.36 | abrotman | i give up |
| 17:47.45 | pingouin_ | dont give up.... |
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| 17:48.02 | karsten | !tell Sm4sh about repeat |
| 17:48.03 | pingouin_ | i dont remind the rest of the song |
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| 17:48.11 | pingouin_ | famous 80's one |
| 17:48.13 | stew | !wwsr =~ s,http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html,http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00023.html, |
| 17:48.14 | dpkg | stew: that doesn't contain 'http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html' |
| 17:48.17 | abrotman | hhe |
| 17:48.23 | stew | !wwsr |
| 17:48.23 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, in april 2005. Latest release update : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00003.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
| 17:48.23 | abrotman | what the hell |
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| 17:48.39 | pingouin_ | highway to hell |
| 17:48.39 | karsten | pingouin_: "Turn around bright eyes". |
| 17:48.53 | groton | i installed debian sarge (by an autobootable CD) on an HD when it was slave on primary IDE channel. Now it is master on the same channel, and when i boot i get: Kernel panic: "pivot_root" no such file or directory /sbin/init: 426: cannot open dev/console: No such file. Kernel Panic: Attempted to kill init! |
| 17:49.02 | karsten | pingouin_: No, wrong song. |
| 17:49.03 | abrotman | oh |
| 17:49.05 | pingouin_ | it was a peter gabriel's song |
| 17:49.11 | pingouin_ | sung by kate bush |
| 17:49.19 | karsten | pingouin_: Right. |
| 17:49.20 | jtaylor | Anyone know how to figure out what is going wrong in subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 ? ??? |
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| 17:49.22 | mentor | groton: You probably need to tell the kernel where the new root device is... |
| 17:49.24 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 17:49.24 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, in april 2005. Latest release update : http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/04/msg00023.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. Sarge takes too long? ask me about <vancouver> |
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| 17:49.28 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 17:49.32 | mentor | !tell jtaylor about ep |
| 17:49.34 | stew | !win abrotman |
| 17:49.35 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
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| 17:49.44 | pingouin_ | great |
| 17:49.44 | abrotman | !literal wwsr |
| 17:49.45 | dpkg | wwsr is <reply> see when will sarge release |
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| 17:49.47 | pingouin_ | i want to be gonzo ! |
| 17:49.47 | abrotman | that's why :) |
| 17:49.53 | dvs | pingouin_: Total Eclipse of the heart? |
| 17:50.01 | jtaylor | mentor, ya... ure cool |
| 17:50.06 | karsten | pingouin_: rejumper your drive (if you haven't already). Boot a bootable disk (trb/knoppix/lnx-bbc). chroot into your disk. Modify bootloader to point to correct boot partition. Reboot. |
| 17:50.14 | mentor | jtaylor: The script should have some output...if not you can loko at the script in v/ar/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst |
| 17:50.23 | mentor | jtaylor: Yeah. I'm also helping you. |
| 17:50.33 | pingouin_ | dvs: yep surely the lp |
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| 17:50.48 | karsten | pingouin_: Misfire.... |
| 17:50.49 | jtaylor | mentor, cooll thanks |
| 17:50.55 | groton | mentor: i do not any other way to boot than from the HD. i do not have a floppy, not the CDROM reader anymore. I guess the only solution is to: set to slave the HD, boot, make the changes to the "new root device", turn of, make the HD smaster and boot again. am i right? |
| 17:50.56 | karsten | groton: rejumper your drive (if you haven't already). Boot a bootable disk (trb/knoppix/lnx-bbc). chroot into your disk. Modify bootloader to point to correct boot partition. Reboot. |
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| 17:51.05 | pingouin_ | karsten: np ;) fucking tab ;) |
| 17:51.07 | tarzeau | Dabian: i'm hosting it, and some content is from me. why? |
| 17:51.10 | mentor | groton: Waht boot loader are you using? |
| 17:51.12 | `Sphere` | I've just finished setting up proftpd as a standalone server... but seems like all uploads are capped at 25kb/s .. config file looks okay.. any idea where I can change that ? |
| 17:51.12 | karsten | pingouin_: No, missfire. |
| 17:51.13 | pingouin_ | !fuck tab completion |
| 17:51.16 | groton | mentor: GRUB |
| 17:51.19 | tarzeau | dabreegster, streuner what's with the worldmap? |
| 17:51.41 | karsten | groton: Reset the HD to slave and make the changes above. Set your bootloader *BEFORE* moving your HD. |
| 17:51.46 | mentor | groton: You can just edit the boot options at startup then...hit e or c for a command line or something? |
| 17:52.02 | karsten | mentor: Hrm. Point, if it's grub. |
| 17:52.08 | karsten | groton: What's your bootloader. |
| 17:52.14 | karsten | @comfort FieldySnuts |
| 17:52.16 | ravenbird | There, there, FieldySnuts. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 17:53.01 | mentor | karsten: I already asked :) |
| 17:53.01 | jtaylor | mentor, hmm... do you think its ok to add echo statements to this script and run as root? |
| 17:53.02 | groton | mentor, karsten: im honest, i understand very few things you are saying to me. I think i will google for the words you said to me, and if needed, i will ask again. Many thanks for the tips. |
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| 17:53.46 | mentor | jtaylor: The script runs as root when dpkg runs it anyway...the problem you're going to have is invoking it correctly...dpkg passes command line options to it... |
| 17:53.48 | karsten | groton: Well, if you're forthcoming with answers, IRC's probably better. Just say what it is you don't understand. |
| 17:53.58 | karsten | mentor: kthx. |
| 17:54.10 | mentor | groton: No, we're willing to help. |
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| 17:54.24 | jtaylor | mentor, ah... i can just do it by apt-get -f install to get it rerun... thanks... now i can prob figure out whats up and submit a bug |
| 17:54.26 | mentor | groton: Do you get a menu when you start up wiht GrUB? |
| 17:54.33 | mentor | jtaylor: yup. :) |
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| 17:54.59 | groton | mentor: yes, i get two options: "normal boot", and "recovery" |
| 17:54.59 | mentor | groton: Is it a seperate computer you are dealing wiht? |
| 17:55.29 | mentor | groton: OK, well, you should be able to hit 'e' on Normal Boot, and be able to edit the boot options... |
| 17:55.40 | groton | mentor: yes, an old PII 400Mhz without floppy and cdrom reader working properly. |
| 17:55.51 | jtaylor | mentor, this is what screws up... ## Source debconf library NEWLINE. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule ---- any ideas? |
| 17:55.58 | groton | mentor: ok. thanks also to karsten for the help :) |
| 17:55.59 | jtaylor | mentor, that dir does not exist |
| 17:56.21 | groton | see you all later :) |
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| 17:56.39 | karsten | groton: Does the boot menu say "LILO" or "GRUB" anywhere on it? |
| 17:56.48 | karsten | mentor: Do we know what bootloader he's using? |
| 17:56.59 | groton | karsten: it says "grub" |
| 17:57.04 | karsten | mentor: Ah. Grub. Good. |
| 17:57.12 | mentor | dpkg find /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
| 17:57.13 | karsten | groton: NM, it's grub. |
| 17:57.23 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/debconf/confmodule' returned no results. |
| 17:57.24 | karsten | groton: Thanks. |
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| 17:57.39 | mentor | jtaylor: hmmm... |
| 17:57.47 | mentor | bleh |
| 17:57.51 | jtaylor | mentor, actually it is sorry |
| 17:58.32 | mentor | dpkg find /confmodule |
| 17:58.39 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/confmodule' (3): (/usr/share/debconf/confmodule.sh) in admin/debconf ;; (/usr/share/doc/cdebconf/confmodule.txt) in utils/cdebconf ;; (/usr/share/debconf/confmodule) in utils/cdebconf,admin/debconf. |
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| 17:59.55 | mentor | jtaylor: does it say '. /usr/share/debconf/confmodule' ? |
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| 18:00.10 | gothtec | yay |
| 18:00.16 | gothtec | ntfs on linux :)) |
| 18:00.26 | Debian\Pwns | hey can anyone please tell me how i can kill vncserver ?¿ |
| 18:00.38 | jtaylor | mentor, it does . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule |
| 18:00.41 | gothtec | killall vncserver? |
| 18:00.49 | gothtec | that should be brutal enough |
| 18:01.05 | Debian\Pwns | vncserver: no process killed < i get that |
| 18:01.08 | Debian\Pwns | but its still running |
| 18:01.09 | mentor | jtaylor: And that's where it dies? |
| 18:01.13 | jtaylor | ya |
| 18:01.18 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: ps aux | grep [v]nc |
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| 18:01.36 | mentor | Debian\Pwns: ps -C 'vncserver'...get hte PID...kill -TERM <pid> |
| 18:01.37 | Debian\Pwns | whats that for?` |
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| 18:01.40 | gothtec | karsten: what do the []'s do? |
| 18:01.44 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: Shows you the running process. |
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| 18:01.58 | karsten | gothtec: It keeps the command from returning its own grep. |
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| 18:02.10 | karsten | gothtec: It'll match 'vnc' but not '[v]nc'. |
| 18:02.15 | mentor | ps -C wfm :) |
| 18:02.25 | gothtec | karsten: whoa. been wondering how to do that. thanks |
| 18:02.29 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: vncserver -kill <display> should kill it. |
| 18:02.33 | karsten | gothtec: Old-timer trick. |
| 18:03.11 | mentor | jtaylor: Try adding a -x to the #!/bin/sh (-x) line so it prints out what it's doing as it does ti. |
| 18:03.19 | Debian\Pwns | sweet thanks peeps |
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| 18:04.18 | mentor | bah. Dr. Who! |
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| 18:04.45 | Inquirer | is that you |
| 18:04.52 | cozen | yes |
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| 18:05.52 | jtaylor | mentor, last line is ++ exec /usr/share/debconf/frontend /var/lib/dpkg/info/openssi-webview.postinst configure '' |
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| 18:06.52 | oZt | Which one is the better: exim4 or postfix? |
| 18:07.02 | remix_tj | i am trying to compile vm-pop3d on my machine |
| 18:07.20 | remix_tj | but when i give ./configure |
| 18:07.35 | streuner | !start a MTA war |
| 18:07.35 | dpkg | courier loses mail |
| 18:07.45 | PhpTux | i do not have cdr, but i have broadband. as toinstall debian ? |
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| 18:08.01 | tuxy17 | n #slackware |
| 18:08.01 | remix_tj | the script says that gcc cant compile |
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| 18:08.23 | tuxy17 | (sry) |
| 18:08.25 | dabreegster | Back, finally. What'd I miss? |
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| 18:09.04 | dvs | dabreegster: World War III |
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| 18:09.26 | karsten | PhpTux: netinst, possibly. There's floopy install options. What are you running now? |
| 18:09.27 | dabreegster | dvs: damnit! i was looking forward to that! I missed ww3 for 2 ham sandwiches? Typical. |
| 18:09.35 | dvs | ;-) |
| 18:09.46 | PhpTux | kurumin |
| 18:09.57 | whisky | hi guys, any of you know the maximum username length with pure-ftpd ? i have to set my mysql backen and it's will good to know it to create the table... |
| 18:10.00 | PhpTux | kurumin 4.2beta |
| 18:10.17 | Phated | Oy, what's wrong with Dr. Who, eh? |
| 18:10.21 | karsten | PhpTux: chroot install. |
| 18:10.26 | karsten | !tell PhpTux about chroot install |
| 18:10.35 | karsten | PhpTux: Uses debootstrap and your existing installation. |
| 18:10.44 | dabreegster | Phated: what is dr. who? There've been articles about that show on slashdot lately |
| 18:10.58 | Phated | dabreegster: ... |
| 18:11.13 | Phated | dabreegster: It's really cool. The latest season, anyway. I haven't seen the ancient ones. |
| 18:11.17 | dvs | dabreegster: It's a TV show that never ends. ;-) It's been on and off the air for at least 30 years |
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| 18:11.25 | Phated | dabreegster: bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/ |
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| 18:11.28 | dabreegster | Wow. |
| 18:11.35 | Phated | Started 196x, iirc. |
| 18:11.36 | dabreegster | What's it about? |
| 18:11.41 | doub | dabreegster: anyway, it's not even possible to compare ww3 with 2 ham sandwiches. except maybe if the former is caused by the latter, which is well possible, after all |
| 18:11.42 | dabreegster | Phated: bbc++ |
| 18:11.49 | Phated | dabreegster: Hear hear. |
| 18:12.01 | dvs | dabreegster: and cbc++ |
| 18:12.02 | karsten | dabreegster: Who. |
| 18:12.18 | Phated | dabreegster: A Time Lord tarvelling through space and time on Earth having wacky adventures. The recentest series has an awesome sidekick. |
| 18:12.29 | dabreegster | Phated: wow. sounds a bit like h2g2 |
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| 18:12.32 | dvs | Pfft. She's OK |
| 18:12.42 | dabreegster | doub: the sandwiches *were* pretty damn good |
| 18:12.50 | Phated | dabreegster: Heh. Now that one thinks of it... |
| 18:13.04 | dvs | dabreegster: Pretty close. Hey! that movie's released yesterday? |
| 18:13.08 | Phated | She's spunky! She kicks ass! Also she looks good in Victorian clotheses. |
| 18:13.08 | doub | dabreegster: that's why it may well be ww3 starting point ;) |
| 18:13.14 | dabreegster | dvs: yup. I'm seeing it today... with friends! |
| 18:13.35 | dabreegster | doub: I can see it now, U.S. about Iraq duking it out for lunch. |
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| 18:13.47 | dabreegster | Phated: Dont think they air it here though :( |
| 18:13.59 | Phated | dabreegster: *whisper* bittorrent. |
| 18:14.25 | Phated | Or, y'know, I bet someone online is nuts enough about the show to have transcripts and stuff. |
| 18:14.29 | dabreegster | Phated: I tried that once |
| 18:14.33 | Phated | Ah. |
| 18:14.36 | gothtec | What program should I use on a 2.6 kernel to use my laptop's speedstep ability? I want to clock the cpu down when I'm doing pretty much everything else than compiling, so I don't have to listen to the fan (which is not required when the CPU runs at half speed) |
| 18:14.39 | groton|eat | mentor, karsten: yeah, i changed an hdb1 to hda1 and that did the trick :) thanks :)) |
| 18:14.43 | doub | dabreegster: except this won't show up in the news : "W didn't like the way Saddam makes his ham sandwiches, declares war to Irak" wouldn't sound too good |
| 18:14.55 | valdyn | gothtec: do you use gnome? |
| 18:14.56 | dabreegster | Phated: But I couldnt view the beginning of the show. It got the middle of it or something. And I'm still on dialup :P |
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| 18:15.01 | karsten | gothtec: Don't. |
| 18:15.05 | Phated | dabreegster: Heheh. |
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| 18:15.11 | gothtec | valdyn: nope. just x and fluxbox... |
| 18:15.11 | dabreegster | doub: Some newspapers could get it to sound like news. |
| 18:15.12 | whisky | no ones knows the maximum username length allowed in pure-ftpd ? |
| 18:15.13 | dvs | !beer dabreegster |
| 18:15.14 | gothtec | karsten: why not? |
| 18:15.21 | dabreegster | I'm underage. |
| 18:15.22 | Phated | He's underage! |
| 18:15.22 | karsten | gothtec: crash. |
| 18:15.26 | Phated | I'm underage! |
| 18:15.37 | dvs | I'm not |
| 18:15.40 | dabreegster | I've never actually tried any; is it good? |
| 18:15.42 | gothtec | karsten: huh? crash what? it worked fine on 2.4 |
| 18:15.43 | karsten | FieldySnuts: Phated's got a new love. Sorry man. |
| 18:15.45 | Phated | dabreegster: Beer? |
| 18:15.46 | dabreegster | I need to order some from Thinkgeek. |
| 18:15.51 | dabreegster | Phated: no, jolt! |
| 18:15.52 | Phated | Oh, jlt. |
| 18:15.54 | karsten | gothtec: My experience was it crashed bigtime. |
| 18:15.59 | Phated | dabreegster: I want some Bawls. |
| 18:16.03 | dockane | how do i get cu working with backspace in a 0-modem connection ? is there an equivalent for hyperterminal in debian ? |
| 18:16.07 | dabreegster | Phated: is that a kind of beer? |
| 18:16.08 | dvs | o-O |
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| 18:16.13 | valdyn | gothtec: powernowd is nice for automatic adjustment of you freq, dont know about a clicky tool to adjust frequencies that fits into fluxbox nicely, apt-cache knows i guess |
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| 18:16.20 | Phated | dabreegster: Caffeinated. Read Thinkgeek, it's in there somewhere. |
| 18:16.31 | dabreegster | Shwoo. Wish they sold it somewhere locally |
| 18:16.37 | Phated | Hear hear. |
| 18:16.41 | karsten | dockane: uucp? |
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| 18:16.53 | karsten | dockane: hyperterm => minicom |
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| 18:16.59 | doub | dockane: hyperterminal? the question would rather be, "what software did hyperterminal's 'dev team' copied?" |
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| 18:17.04 | Phated | dabreegster: http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/drinks/2818/ |
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| 18:17.10 | doub | dockane: and badly, at that |
| 18:17.10 | gothtec | valdyn: seems "cpudyn" is what I need |
| 18:17.11 | karsten | !tell gothtec about cpufreq |
| 18:17.28 | valdyn | gothtec: that is a daemon too, just like powernowd |
| 18:17.35 | linoleum | hey plze, I got a audigy 2 , and I would like to use the remote control , how can I use it??? |
| 18:17.47 | karsten | Phated: sidekick == Rose? |
| 18:17.50 | doub | linoleum: by pressing the buttons maybe |
| 18:17.52 | Phated | karsten: Yeah. |
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| 18:18.03 | dockane | doub, thnx for the informatino |
| 18:18.08 | valdyn | gothtec: manually switching works by echo <freq> >/sys/somewhere |
| 18:18.17 | windowwasher | doub : i would hate to be apart of the model for hyperterm. as bad as hyperterm is, it speaks volumes badly of its model |
| 18:18.18 | gothtec | valdyn: hopefully, there are some conditions I can set to keep it at half speed all the time. 800 mhz is more than enough for a laptop when I'm not playing games on it anyway |
| 18:18.24 | doub | dockane: no problem ;) |
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| 18:18.45 | tarzeau | moo |
| 18:18.52 | doub | !moo |
| 18:18.52 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. http://bugs.debian.org/175939 |
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| 18:19.01 | valdyn | gothtec: thats what those daemons do just fine. |
| 18:19.10 | dockane | karsten, tried minicom but don't know how to connect with even after reading the man pages. (may i query you i german?) |
| 18:19.12 | valdyn | gothtec: manual intervention is hardly needed |
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| 18:19.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: he didn't add it in :( |
| 18:19.43 | karsten | dockane: I'm not horribly good in German. |
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| 18:19.49 | MoohZ86 | Kikooo |
| 18:19.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: he, who? it, what? |
| 18:19.54 | linoleum | doub, no, I have installed lirc, pressed the buton, but it doens't work |
| 18:20.10 | abrotman | dphys |
| 18:20.14 | karsten | dockane: 'ATDT <phone>' in minicom to dial. |
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| 18:20.21 | tarzeau | and then slept under the sun on a boat on www.lakeluzern.ch |
| 18:20.27 | tarzeau | abrotman: he said he wouldn't? |
| 18:20.43 | doub | linoleum: that was just useless sarcasm. i don't know about your remote. sorry |
| 18:20.48 | dockane | karsten, its a 0-modem connection. |
| 18:20.49 | karsten | dockane: There's #debian-de, BTW. |
| 18:20.59 | valdyn | gothtec: "cd /sys/ && find . -name *freq*", the files are self explanatory |
| 18:21.06 | doub | linoleum: check config, read the fine manual, that's all i can say |
| 18:21.15 | karsten | dockane: null-modem? |
| 18:21.22 | abrotman | tarzeau: no .. it's just not there |
| 18:21.26 | karsten | dockane: What are you connecting to? |
| 18:21.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: oh give it more time. you need patience |
| 18:21.37 | dockane | karsten, to a hp pizza box |
| 18:21.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm no grasshopper! |
| 18:21.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: next dwn is scheduled for next tuesday (so there'y plenty more time) |
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| 18:21.57 | onre | dockane, try kermit. |
| 18:21.57 | karsten | dockane: Should just hit <return> a few times. Make sure the HP's running a getty on that port. |
| 18:22.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: was it sunny and hot over there too? |
| 18:22.16 | karsten | dockane: Make sure you're also connecting minicom to the correct port on your local box. |
| 18:22.18 | onre | dockane, the nice thing about kermit is that it does no terminal emulation whatsoever |
| 18:22.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: it's ugly outside |
| 18:22.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: about 60F .. and rain :) |
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| 18:22.42 | abrotman | i feel like london! |
| 18:22.50 | tarzeau | abrotman: 60 F? |
| 18:22.56 | Debian\Pwns | hey can anyone point me in the right direction in getting my sound working? |
| 18:23.14 | dvs | tarzeau: 15C |
| 18:23.15 | abrotman | !convert 60 farenheit to celsius |
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| 18:23.16 | valdyn | Debian\Pwns: any idea if you want to use alsa or oss? |
| 18:23.17 | dpkg | 60 farenheit cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'farenheit' |
| 18:23.25 | abrotman | apparently i can't spell it |
| 18:23.25 | Debian\Pwns | no idea at all :p |
| 18:23.29 | karsten | !tell Debian\Pwns about sound |
| 18:23.29 | dabreegster | Debian\Pwns: be specific. what card? what problems? oss or alsa? read the sound howto on tldp.net |
| 18:23.31 | valdyn | !sound |
| 18:23.33 | onre | fahrenheit, rather |
| 18:23.34 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 18:23.45 | dabreegster | Debian\Pwns: what kernel? |
| 18:23.45 | abrotman | !convert 60 fahrenheit to celsius |
| 18:23.47 | dpkg | 60 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit' |
| 18:23.50 | abrotman | heh |
| 18:23.51 | onre | great |
| 18:23.53 | abrotman | not quite |
| 18:23.58 | dvs | !convert 60 F to C |
| 18:24.00 | abrotman | !spell fahrenhiet |
| 18:24.00 | dpkg | 60 F cannot be converted to C: conformability error |
| 18:24.01 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 18:24.04 | valdyn | Debian\Pwns: that factoid should work the same in sarge/sid |
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| 18:24.36 | Debian\Pwns | modconf :| |
| 18:24.42 | tarzeau | oh damn. when is the freeze? |
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| 18:24.50 | karsten | dockane: status?? |
| 18:24.51 | abrotman | not til winter i hope |
| 18:24.54 | dvs | !calc 60*5/9+32 |
| 18:25.04 | valdyn | Debian\Pwns: whats wrong with it? |
| 18:25.08 | dvs | oh well |
| 18:25.11 | karsten | tarzeau: 32F/0C |
| 18:25.17 | JoshTriplett | I recently compiled the b44 driver into my kernel for my wired ethernet card. Now, ifup -a during the boot process takes a full minute, which I presume is due to a timeout somewhere. However, the only interface marked as auto in /etc/network/interfaces is lo. What might be causing the wait? |
| 18:25.24 | tarzeau | karsten: ok thanks. |
| 18:25.27 | dockane | karsten, works :) |
| 18:25.38 | karsten | dockane: Score! How? |
| 18:26.08 | Debian\Pwns | what is it valdyn ?¿ :| |
| 18:26.10 | doub | JoshTriplett: exim trying to resolve some un-resolvable name maybe? |
| 18:26.13 | valdyn | Debian\Pwns: most soundcards should work by default in debian sarge if they are supported by the oss modules in the kernel. If your sound does not work you might need to use alsa, but we defenitely need more info to be of any help |
| 18:26.22 | valdyn | Debian\Pwns: a tool |
| 18:26.28 | valdyn | Debian\Pwns: man modconf |
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| 18:26.38 | dockane | karsten, dont know. after initiliazing modem suddenly i got the output from the terminal. before all i got was a cursor. strg+c, enter nothing brought something forewards |
| 18:26.57 | fpiat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:26.59 | Debian\Pwns | Okay |
| 18:27.31 | karsten | dockane: Sometimes you've got to whomp on the port a few times. It's a tad quircky. |
| 18:27.48 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: ifplugd brings up my ethernet card, and waproamd brings up my wireless card, so that they can watch for networks. |
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| 18:28.46 | rectum | qwertyuiop[]asdfghjkl;'zxcvnbm,./m |
| 18:29.00 | JoshTriplett | doub: exim doesn't run until rc2.d; the pause is during the networking script in rcS.d. |
| 18:29.23 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: But all that should be happening in the background; there shouldn't be a pause at boot time. |
| 18:29.48 | fpiat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:30.10 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: And there wasn't until I added b44 to the mix. |
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| 18:30.38 | dockane | karsten, what does whomp mean ? |
| 18:30.39 | fpiat | do you have a cable plugged in b44 ? |
| 18:30.48 | dockane | karsten, sorry for my poor eng |
| 18:30.51 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: No. |
| 18:31.00 | karsten | dockane: "pound on". |
| 18:31.01 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: ifplugd should be sitting in the background waiting for a link beat. |
| 18:31.10 | karsten | dockane: Basically: resetting / reconnecting to the serial port. |
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| 18:31.33 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: It should *not* be attempting to do anything that leads to a timeout, and certainly not in the foreground. |
| 18:31.46 | fpiat | still ok with you. |
| 18:32.00 | karsten | dockane: ~ schlagen. |
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| 18:32.21 | kooldeb | what do you guys the interface one works with when using applications such as make menuconfig, or similar apps |
| 18:32.32 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: this sounds like dhclient waiting for something, you _sure_ that only lo is on auto? |
| 18:32.34 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: ncurses? |
| 18:32.39 | fpiat | what do you have in rcS.d ? |
| 18:32.42 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett |
| 18:32.47 | karsten | dockane: aptitude install translate |
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| 18:33.04 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett : ok and when it is messed up as far as layout, what would you do ? |
| 18:33.07 | McKillroy | I installed sensors with the sensors.conf released for my MoBo from Tyan. CPU 2 was reported as having 11 degrees. Even after exchanging the CPUs same error. What could that be ? |
| 18:33.09 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: "auto lo" is the only auto line in /etc/network/interfaces. |
| 18:33.19 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Check that your $TERM is set correctly? |
| 18:33.35 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Try pressing Ctrl-L? |
| 18:33.51 | JoshTriplett | McKillroy: Are you sure it isn't? |
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| 18:33.57 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: thats strange to say the least, if it really hangs at ifup -a |
| 18:33.59 | JoshTriplett | McKillroy: Are you using an SMP kernel? :) |
| 18:34.02 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Yeah. |
| 18:34.06 | McKillroy | Yes, SMP |
| 18:34.12 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: It hangs at "Configuring network interfaces..." |
| 18:34.14 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: $TERM is set to xterm |
| 18:34.18 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: For exactly a minute. |
| 18:34.33 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: Ctrl-L basically clears the screen |
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| 18:34.39 | McKillroy | JoshTriplett: Yes - SMP Kernel with 2 Athlon MPs |
| 18:34.51 | JoshTriplett | McKillroy: Hmmm. Is the second CPU in use at all? |
| 18:35.09 | McKillroy | JoshTriplett: Yes - make -j3 stuff rocks ! |
| 18:35.15 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: but like for example, instead of having straight lines _________ , I am getting something like --------, and the alignement of the boxes is messed up |
| 18:35.22 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Strange. |
| 18:35.37 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Oh, wait. Which terminal? |
| 18:35.41 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: indeed. any suggestion in mind ? |
| 18:35.42 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: And which font? |
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| 18:35.58 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: konsole, how you check the font ? |
| 18:36.11 | dockane | karsten, thnx. maybe you can help me with another issue. hp pa-risc's bootloader palo and the boot_admin prompt gives ma a few fields to edit. i need to reset the root password in the woody install. how do i add the option to load in single user mode to this line ? : "3/boot/vmlinux" |
| 18:36.14 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: tried adding a "--verbose" ? |
| 18:36.23 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Nevermind; I'm not surprised at all. Sanity-check: run an xterm and try it there. |
| 18:36.48 | karsten | dockane: Don't know, I don't run PARISC. |
| 18:36.51 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: I recall having that problem with Konsole when the font didn't have line-drawing characters. It would substitute, and the alignment would be horribly off. |
| 18:37.03 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Also happens when it mixes bitmap and TT fonts. |
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| 18:37.31 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: One of the options menus should let you change the font; try changing it to something other than Bitstream Vera Sans Mono or Monospace. |
| 18:37.34 | dockane | karsten, maybe its "initrd=root.bin" ? |
| 18:37.41 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: That's a thought. |
| 18:37.49 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: I'll give that a try; back after a reboot... |
| 18:38.17 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: you re right , on xterm, I get the stuff correct. |
| 18:38.34 | karsten | dockane: Generally: init=/bin/bash will bypass your init / password stuff. If you need an initrd, you'll want that as well. |
| 18:39.17 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: so only way is to change the font ? |
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| 18:39.40 | fpiat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.10 | valdyn | fpiat: the interface is not on auto |
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| 18:43.12 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Yeah, I think so. |
| 18:43.32 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: I changed changed the font , same thing |
| 18:43.52 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Back, and thanks for the tip. It waited the full minute, then printed all the verbose output. :) |
| 18:44.02 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Which gave me a massive clue. |
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| 18:44.34 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: I suspect that since hotplug runs right before that, it's running ifup on the b44 interface, which is then blocking the ifup -a due to locking. |
| 18:45.08 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: What did you change it to? |
| 18:45.18 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: hotplug doesnt run ifup |
| 18:45.28 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: No, but ifplugd might. :) |
| 18:45.34 | karsten | ObESR: http://mako.yukidoke.org/copyrighteous/images/esr_cage-full.jpg |
| 18:45.36 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: indeed |
| 18:45.39 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: I tried Serif, Sans Serif, Cursor and Courier. |
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| 18:45.58 | karsten | kooldeb: Have you heard ... |
| 18:46.04 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: theres another daemon doing pretty much the same |
| 18:46.04 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Those aren't going to work. |
| 18:46.10 | karsten | kooldeb: ... there's a new serif in town, and he's going to clean things up. |
| 18:46.20 | JoshTriplett | karsten: Groan. |
| 18:46.31 | karsten | JoshTriplett: Don't encourage me. |
| 18:46.34 | Cyis | *har* *har* :) |
| 18:46.44 | Cyis | you're so punny karsten :) |
| 18:46.46 | karsten | JoshTriplett: ...and ask simonrvn... |
| 18:46.47 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett do it :) |
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| 18:47.07 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett : ok, that pretty much all I have as far as font nows |
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| 18:47.44 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Hmmm; Konsole is rather screwy with fonts lately. |
| 18:48.12 | karsten | kooldeb: ...this new serif though... |
| 18:48.16 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: well, did you install more fonts to the console ? |
| 18:48.18 | karsten | kooldeb: ...he's a strange character. |
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| 18:48.29 | kooldeb | karsten: just like you ! :P |
| 18:48.35 | karsten | kooldeb: ...but I think I've seen his face before. |
| 18:48.44 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: The font I used when I used Konsole now no longer shows up in Konsole's font selection box. :) |
| 18:48.48 | kooldeb | karsten: on the mirror ? |
| 18:48.49 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: (FreeMono) |
| 18:48.53 | fpiat | Josh, 1) what do you have syslog regarding b44 and ifplug ? 2) what does mii-tool says 3) what if "if-up" "if-down" the b44-interface again ? |
| 18:49.15 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: cannot we just add it to the list of fonts ? |
| 18:49.19 | caiqian | hi all, I try to use fglrx driver to let my ATi card work. but I found that my LCD only support 16 depth color while fglrx doesn't support it. So how can I get it work? |
| 18:49.19 | fpiat | josh and 4) what kernel do you use (above 2.6.3 ?) |
| 18:49.19 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: apt-cache show laptop-net |
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| 18:49.52 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: 4) 2.6.10 |
| 18:50.05 | caiqian | I can let vesa driver can work, but it is too slow. |
| 18:50.07 | karsten | kooldeb: More seriously, msttcorefonts, and a few additional faces freely availab which I'm forgetting ATM. |
| 18:50.20 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: Does the "radeon" driver work (apart from 3d)? |
| 18:50.21 | anhi | damn, i let the debian-installer do my partitions and now i ran out of / space (multi-user system). anyone solved that problem without reinstalling? |
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| 18:50.33 | karsten | anhi: gparted. |
| 18:50.45 | karsten | anhi: ...or qtparted. preferably from a bootable disk |
| 18:50.59 | anhi | karsten: tried it from kanotix, but doesnt work (ext3) |
| 18:51.02 | kooldeb | karsten: dude, I went to bed at 9am and you telling me about weird things |
| 18:51.15 | karsten | !tell anhi about partition howto |
| 18:51.35 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: I'd love to be using the new NetworkManager stuff, but it doesn't work yet. ifplugd always seemed to do the right thing with the 3com 3c59x card in my previous laptop. |
| 18:51.36 | karsten | kooldeb: ?? |
| 18:51.45 | anhi | bot wont tell me anything :/ |
| 18:51.48 | karsten | anhi: Hrm. Should work AFAIU. Knoppix? |
| 18:51.58 | caiqian | JoshTriplett: en. I never compile it to my kernel :( |
| 18:52.11 | karsten | !tell anhi about partitioning howto |
| 18:52.14 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: To be honest, I don't know a good solution at this point. Konsole seems highly buggy. I suggest using another terminal. :( |
| 18:52.27 | anhi | karsten: kantoix is knoppix based, but i'll give knoppix a shot |
| 18:52.32 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: I don't mean DRI. I just mean the X driver. |
| 18:52.40 | karsten | anhi: OK. ext3 _should_ be repartitionable. |
| 18:52.45 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett: any suggestions for one under KDE ? P |
| 18:52.47 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: Try reconfiguring X to use the "radeon" or "ati" drivers. |
| 18:53.17 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: gnome-terminal, mrxvt, lxterm. |
| 18:53.26 | caiqian | ati doesn't work for me. |
| 18:53.32 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: At all? |
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| 18:53.37 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett and can you run those under the KDE interface ? |
| 18:53.42 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: Sure. |
| 18:53.53 | JoshTriplett | kooldeb: You can run any application you want under the KDE interfac.e |
| 18:53.54 | valdyn | caiqian: why do you think your lcd display supports only 16 bpp? |
| 18:53.57 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett I will apt-get them the |
| 18:54.17 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: What message do you get in the log when you try "ati"? |
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| 18:55.31 | caiqian | JoshTriplett: yes, I got No devices detected. |
| 18:55.51 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: Hmmm. What card do you have? |
| 18:55.56 | caiqian | valdyn: I found the spec said so. it is a WXGA |
| 18:56.13 | Levander | How does this /etc/mailcap keep getting updated on my machine? I don't see a cron entry for mime-update. |
| 18:56.14 | caiqian | JoshTriplett: Mobility X700 64M |
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| 18:56.21 | valdyn | caiqian: name of the display? |
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| 18:56.36 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: Ah. xorg should support that with 2D, but I don't think the Debian Xfree86 packages do. |
| 18:57.06 | caiqian | valdyn: QDS0014, it comes with Acer notebook |
| 18:57.28 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: I doubt seriously that it doesn't support 24/32-bit color. |
| 18:58.16 | caiqian | JoshTriplett: yes, it is only 16 depth color, I don't know why fglrx only support 24 depth |
| 18:58.20 | valdyn | caiqian: in that case i guess i need your notebooks type name |
| 18:58.38 | Levander | The /etc/mtab file just lists the currently mounted filesystems? |
| 18:58.48 | caiqian | valdyn: Acer 1690 series. here is 1692wlci |
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| 18:59.28 | fpiat | Leveander... for sure... your should look at /etc/fstab |
| 18:59.44 | valdyn | oh shit, my browser is full of japanese now ) |
| 19:00.06 | Levander | fpiat: okay, that's what i need, a confirmation, thanks! |
| 19:00.11 | caiqian | 15.4 WXGA + X700 64M. |
| 19:00.12 | anhi | karsten: knoppix doest work for it either (cant resize neither root nor other ext3 partitions |
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| 19:01.00 | fpiat | Leveander: /etc/mtab is legacy of /proc/mounts, but still accurate (if your /etc is read-write) |
| 19:01.09 | karsten | anhi: OK. |
| 19:01.14 | karsten | anhi: Got another drive or system? |
| 19:01.25 | yalu | I have a problem with my mouse. it keeps sticking in the above left corner of the screen and makes weird jumpy moves when I move it. it's a serial mouse |
| 19:01.29 | karsten | anhi: my usual approach is to copy off data, repartition, restore data. |
| 19:01.35 | idis_ | anhi: sure you are root under knoppix to resize partitions? |
| 19:01.50 | anhi | karsten: i got about 5 boxes here with >1.5tb, so space shouldnt be a problem |
| 19:02.05 | anhi | idis_: started with sudo since qtparted wont start until root |
| 19:02.13 | caiqian | valdyn: almost the same with http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/archive/index.php/t-175454.html except the X600 |
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| 19:02.16 | kooldeb | JoshTriplett ah, it works under MGT, trying to creating a link for it under the desktop |
| 19:02.21 | karsten | anhi: OK. |
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| 19:02.44 | karsten | anhi: I'd do this booted from Knoppix. rsync partitions to an appropriate location. You got it from there? |
| 19:03.19 | anhi | karsten: so i boot knoppix and send the disc content to e.g. a mounted sshfs ? |
| 19:03.22 | fpiat | yalu, you have either: 1) a wrong driver, or 2) something else talking to your mouse (fax daemon..) |
| 19:04.01 | yalu | fpiat: that second possibility, is it checkable with lsof? I have not updated anything or changed drivers for a while |
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| 19:04.39 | vezult | yalu: fuser might work as well |
| 19:05.23 | karsten | anhi: You can do that, but just an over-the-net copy will work. |
| 19:05.26 | valdyn | caiqian: info is scarce about it really, so i cant say more than that 16 bit only display for such a notebook seems nonsensical, but who knows.. |
| 19:05.51 | fpiat | yalu: try "lsof | grep /dev/ttyS0" (or whatever your mouse is in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4) |
| 19:06.04 | yalu | vezult: both programs don't return anything that uses /dev/ttyS0 (not even X!). I also have no gpm running ... |
| 19:06.07 | karsten | anhi: tar xzvf - <partition> | ssh remotehost 'cat > /<path>/<partition>.tar.gz |
| 19:06.09 | karsten | anhi: tar xzvf - <partition> | ssh remotehost 'cat > /<path>/<partition>.tar.gz' |
| 19:06.23 | karsten | anhi: ...will work. netcat's faster (no encryption overhead). |
| 19:06.54 | vezult | yalu: sorry...i just kinda jumped in on the conversation. what's going on? |
| 19:07.00 | anhi | karsten: k, thanks |
| 19:07.05 | foobared | karsten: isn't it cvfz ? |
| 19:07.06 | caiqian | valdyn: yes, that's a pity. but I am living with it :) |
| 19:07.06 | deadcat | i have a script that can transfer data through a socket with or without encryption |
| 19:07.11 | deadcat | perl based |
| 19:07.23 | caiqian | valdyn: seems I have to switch to ubuntu |
| 19:07.29 | yalu | vezult: well my serial mouse exhibits strange behaviour (suddenly). it makes jumpy moves and generally sticks to the uppre left corner of the screen |
| 19:07.37 | yalu | unusable |
| 19:07.38 | karsten | foobared: Point. |
| 19:07.42 | vezult | yalu: i think your best bet is a bad driver |
| 19:07.45 | karsten | anhi: s/xzvf/czvf/ |
| 19:08.00 | yalu | vezult: I ahve been using the same driver for months... |
| 19:08.06 | vezult | yalu: what type of mouse do you have? |
| 19:08.07 | valdyn | caiqian: this website sais "15,4" WXGA Acer CrystalBrite blah, 16.7M Colors |
| 19:08.08 | yalu | it all comes from debian sarge |
| 19:08.17 | yalu | vezult: a stupid 2-button serial mouse |
| 19:08.19 | vezult | yalu: apt-get upgrade recently? |
| 19:08.21 | JoshTriplett | fpiat, valdyn: Hmmm; I'm not finding anything promising here. |
| 19:08.24 | yalu | vezult: nope |
| 19:08.39 | vezult | yalu: try a diff mouse? |
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| 19:08.46 | vezult | yalu: maybe the mouse itself is bad |
| 19:08.48 | caiqian | valdyn: I know. how can i make fglrx support 16 color? |
| 19:09.08 | valdyn | caiqian: you cant |
| 19:09.11 | yalu | vezult: haven't given it a beating in a while too :D ... |
| 19:09.25 | JoshTriplett | caiqian: What happens when you just try to run it with 24-bit color? |
| 19:09.29 | fpiat | Yalu, what do you have with : grep "Device" /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | grep "/dev" |
| 19:09.30 | yalu | I'll try if it works with gpm vezult |
| 19:09.39 | caiqian | JoshTriplett: black screen |
| 19:09.46 | vezult | yalu: ah. you're using gpm? |
| 19:09.47 | valdyn | caiqian: i suspect youre just running an unsupported mode |
| 19:09.51 | yalu | vezult: nope. |
| 19:09.55 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Seconded. |
| 19:09.59 | yalu | instaling it for testing purposes now |
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| 19:10.13 | yalu | vezult: was the first thing I thought about, gpm, but it wasn't even installed |
| 19:10.34 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: I'm not finding where this delay is coming from at all. |
| 19:10.48 | FieldySnuts | !dachs JoshTriplett |
| 19:10.48 | vezult | yalu: what device are you using in your XFree86Config? |
| 19:10.49 | dpkg | JoshTriplett: Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Pilz Pilz Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Dachs Schlange! Eine Schlange! |
| 19:11.07 | JoshTriplett | FieldySnuts: What was that for? |
| 19:11.12 | FieldySnuts | random :) |
| 19:11.12 | fpiat | Josh, i don't use ifplugd, but i guess it's daemon is bypassing /etc/network/interfaces, |
| 19:11.16 | JoshTriplett | FieldySnuts: OK. :) |
| 19:11.26 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: it has to be ifplugd |
| 19:11.28 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: I don't think so; it's supposed to integrate with ifupdown. |
| 19:11.33 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: That much I can guess. |
| 19:11.38 | yalu | vezult: /dev/ttyS0 |
| 19:11.59 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: i would try disabling it first, then if that works change order of startup |
| 19:11.59 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: I'm trying to figure out how to fix it. |
| 19:12.02 | vezult | yalu: have another serial port? |
| 19:12.09 | vezult | yalu: you could try that |
| 19:12.11 | caiqian | valdyn: I think so, so vesa driver can work with 24, how can I switch to the right mode? |
| 19:12.17 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: How would you suggest changing the order? Moving hotplug after networking? |
| 19:12.23 | yalu | vezult: I don't think so... trying gpm, sec |
| 19:12.46 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: no, ifplugd as late as possible |
| 19:12.54 | fpiat | Josh: can you try "rmmod b44" and modprobe it again |
| 19:13.03 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: ifplugd is going to run the instant that the interface gets hotplugged. |
| 19:13.11 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: Sure. |
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| 19:13.21 | jcb | im using udev and i have the need of 10 md devices files in /dev. but it only creates 9. what kernel parameter do i use to specify how many md device files i want? |
| 19:13.40 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: oh, is it probably started twice? |
| 19:13.44 | kooldeb | hmm, I have 2 computers here on an internal LAN, how can I try ssh to one of the machines through the outside world (external IP), without having to go somewhere else and do it ? |
| 19:13.52 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: or did it not have a script in /etc/init.d/ ? |
| 19:14.03 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: /etc/rc2.d/ even |
| 19:14.05 | vezult | jcb: i'm guessing it will make 10 when you've got 10 md devices set up |
| 19:14.06 | Levander | How safe is it just to remove a package reported by deborphan? What are chances that I'm gonna break a dependency? |
| 19:14.27 | dvs | Levander: If it's a library, none |
| 19:14.28 | caiqian | Is there any tool can proble the right mode for me? I just put simple 1024x768 and 24 depth color ,while the screen run black |
| 19:14.39 | yalu | vezult: I shut down kdm, started gpm and this mouse behaves weeiiiiirdly |
| 19:14.41 | dvs | !drxx caiqian |
| 19:14.42 | dpkg | caiqian: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 19:14.56 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: ifplugd has a script, but it has two possible methods of handling the interface: running when the script is run, and running when the interface is hotplugged. I use the latter, since hotplug loads the module. |
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| 19:15.00 | Confitado | Hello! How can I autodetect my monitor frequencies to be able to use modes up to 1280x1024 in XFree86? I have SyncMaster 753s |
| 19:15.13 | caiqian | dvs: it can't even know my LCD |
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| 19:15.28 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: ok.. |
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| 19:15.38 | naddar | hi everyone |
| 19:15.39 | drac | Confitado: Google knows exactly correct values for your monitor, since you seem to know name and model. |
| 19:15.40 | vezult | Confitado: autodetect the settings with google |
| 19:15.46 | naddar | anyone know a rar program for kde |
| 19:15.46 | drac | heh :) |
| 19:15.50 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: Thanks, that helped. Looking at the log, it looks like b44 is stupid, and reports a link beat when there isn't one. :( |
| 19:15.53 | Levander | dvs: thanks, i'm gonna try just removing everything reported by deborphan, they're all libraries |
| 19:16.05 | JoshTriplett | naddar: Install the "unrar" package, then ark will be able to handle rars just fine. |
| 19:16.07 | dvs | Levander: You shouldn't have any trouble |
| 19:16.08 | Confitado | drac: vezult: I tried that and I didn't find anything :( |
| 19:16.16 | naddar | ok thanks |
| 19:16.19 | dvs | caiqian: You have to know the exact frequencies of your monitor |
| 19:16.36 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: well in that case i guess you are gonna be well off disabling ifplugd for that interface |
| 19:16.39 | yalu | vezult: okey got things in order now. plugged that mouse out and back in, and now things run smoothly |
| 19:16.40 | drac | Confitado: http://www.ocab.fi/crtnayto.htm |
| 19:16.42 | drac | Confitado: FIRST HIT! |
| 19:16.52 | drac | Confitado: So quit lying :) |
| 19:17.09 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Well, it seems that it correctly notices the lack of a link beat; it just takes its time figuring that out. |
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| 19:17.21 | Confitado | But... it is in FINNISH .. Snif.. I am from Argentina :) |
| 19:17.37 | drac | Confitado: So? 30-70 and 50-160 .. |
| 19:17.40 | caiqian | dvs: the knoppix proble it for me: Horizsync 28-96 verrefresh 50-75 |
| 19:17.44 | drac | Confitado: You have numbers there, right? |
| 19:17.44 | vezult | Confidado: google told me the answer |
| 19:18.00 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: ok, just put hotplug after networking then |
| 19:18.03 | Confitado | vezult: Yes?... What Answer? |
| 19:18.12 | drac | Confitado: 30-70 and 50-160 |
| 19:18.24 | dvs | caiqian: So put that in when you use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:18.41 | naddar | JoshTriplett: i download from rarlab but it dont tells how to install it |
| 19:18.44 | vezult | Confitado: i think the answer's been mentioned 2x already now |
| 19:18.57 | fpiat | Josh, i have a computer here with a b44 inside (Asus pundit).. i had no problem with. I did not have have to recompile the kernel (i never ran >2.6.8 on it though) |
| 19:19.05 | JoshTriplett | naddar: No, that's *not* what I meant. Install the Debian package "unrar". |
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| 19:19.11 | deadcat | naddar: apt-cache search unrar |
| 19:19.18 | vezult | yalu: what was the problem? |
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| 19:19.40 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: No, it's bothering me now; it's running dhclient on a dead interface. |
| 19:19.44 | naddar | he dont find notting i gues i dont have a good ftp |
| 19:19.49 | naddar | anyone know a good one |
| 19:20.03 | deadcat | !tell naddar about non-free |
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| 19:20.25 | JoshTriplett | naddar: Do you use stable or testing or unstable? |
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| 19:20.37 | JoshTriplett | naddar: There's an "unrar" package in testing and unstable. |
| 19:20.49 | JoshTriplett | naddar: It isn't available in stable. |
| 19:20.59 | vezult | yalu: never mind. i reread your last statement ;o) |
| 19:21.15 | naddar | i use sarge |
| 19:21.18 | naddar | debian sarge |
| 19:21.27 | naddar | i'm new on it how can i test it |
| 19:21.38 | kooldeb | hmm, I have 2 computers here on an internal LAN, how can I try ssh to one of the machines through the outside world (external IP), without having to go somewhere else and do it ? |
| 19:21.39 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: maybe the driver will have enough time to respond sanely if its already loaded via /etc/modules |
| 19:21.46 | JoshTriplett | naddar: Just type "apt-get install unrar" as root. |
| 19:21.50 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: That's a thought. |
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| 19:22.02 | d00d | what locales use for people? |
| 19:22.23 | dvs | I use UTF-8 and iso-8859-15 |
| 19:22.35 | valdyn | d00d: try again, in more words |
| 19:22.36 | JoshTriplett | naddar: Did that work? |
| 19:22.42 | d00d | hehe |
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| 19:22.53 | d00d | How do i edit my locales setting valdyn ? |
| 19:22.58 | JoshTriplett | valdyn: Back shortly; rebooting again. |
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| 19:23.05 | valdyn | d00d: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:23.23 | naddar | JoshTriplett: no because he dont find a package for it |
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| 19:23.28 | naddar | so i have to rescan my cd's |
| 19:23.30 | naddar | :( |
| 19:23.42 | d00d | valdyn, can i remove locales? |
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| 19:23.43 | naddar | i like a good ftp with packages on it |
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| 19:23.48 | SpinwiP | wuts up |
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| 19:24.05 | valdyn | d00d: do you think thats a good idea? why? |
| 19:24.40 | d00d | valdyn, it uses to set the language right? |
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| 19:25.04 | fpiat | kooldeb, i can see two solution : 1) ask someone to setup it's firewall to forward connectiond (to it's port 10022 for instance) to yourip:22 |
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| 19:25.10 | SpinwiP | i got a question |
| 19:25.23 | valdyn | d00d: dpkg-reconfigure locales sets locales, the locale package provides infrastructure that you sure dont want to remove |
| 19:25.30 | bowman | lilo problem: lilo says "LI" and stops. I've found the meaning of that, but how can I fix the problem? |
| 19:25.42 | fpiat | kooldeb: or 2: get an ssh account on somone's computer, to go back in your's ! |
| 19:25.45 | d00d | valdyn: but i removed it already |
| 19:25.47 | twirl83 | hmm, I want to share an internet connection between users and control the bandwidth of eusers . Whats the "best" way of doing it ? |
| 19:26.02 | valdyn | d00d: your problem |
| 19:26.15 | d00d | Generating locales taking so much time to compile |
| 19:26.26 | d00d | and i removed it |
| 19:26.44 | drac | Compile? |
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| 19:26.57 | drac | =) |
| 19:27.18 | fpiat | kooldeb, i wasn't clear on 1) : you could then ssh to hisip:10022 that would send you to your public ip on port 22. |
| 19:27.53 | kooldeb | fpiat: hisip:10022 ?? |
| 19:27.55 | d00d | valdyn: can you past me your locales.gen? |
| 19:28.17 | valdyn | d00d: no |
| 19:28.25 | d00d | only add this right |
| 19:28.27 | d00d | en_GB ISO-8859-1 |
| 19:28.27 | d00d | en_GB.ISO-8859-15 ISO-8859-15 |
| 19:28.27 | d00d | en_GB.UTF-8 UTF-8 |
| 19:28.29 | d00d | ? |
| 19:28.39 | fpiat | kooldeb: i meant his public ip adress on port 10022 |
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| 19:29.04 | valdyn | d00d: why dont you run 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' ? |
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| 19:29.23 | kooldeb | fpiat: can you clarify things a little, I thnk there might be some misunderstanding |
| 19:30.24 | d00d | valdyn, thanks :d |
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| 19:31.17 | timbog4 | Anyone in a helping mood ? I cant get the 3c59x module to load from the debian install cd |
| 19:31.24 | fpiat | if i understood, you have machines A an B behind a router. you want to ssh to B, but simulating that you come from the internet, right...? |
| 19:31.38 | kooldeb | fpiat: you have 2 puters, say 192.168.1.x and 192.168.1.y and you want to test ssh on the first one but from the outside world, that is, some external IP to see if ssh works externally |
| 19:31.41 | twirl83 | any advice concerning my question ? |
| 19:31.45 | kooldeb | fpiat: exactly |
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| 19:31.55 | valdyn | timbog4: if that is not an isa nic, but pci, then it probably does not fit your nic |
| 19:32.09 | quickFuse | task manager printed on iPod device, cpu was not custom. keyboard driver copied http protocol even though wireless was _NOT_ selected in GUI. Maybe PPP recompile can grep RPM database for solution. What can reccomend you to me? Maybe Intel was compiled by accident wrong ordering???? |
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| 19:32.34 | poi | i take it this isnt a normal chat room |
| 19:32.36 | poi | woops |
| 19:32.37 | valdyn | !confuse quickFuse |
| 19:32.38 | dpkg | Yes, them is your badger yesterday, quickFuse? trousers of the republic of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
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| 19:33.21 | kooldeb | fpiat: so what would you do ? |
| 19:33.24 | quickFuse | How to fix please? |
| 19:33.39 | valdyn | quickFuse: whats your native language? |
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| 19:33.50 | timbog4 | I have a minipci 3com in an dell c800. I googled it and it every thing came into contact with pointed me to this module |
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| 19:34.13 | valdyn | !dell |
| 19:34.13 | dpkg | [dell] a wonderful company that makes very wonderful laptops, but also some extremely bad laptops. For new ISOs to boot your Dell server, look at http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/, or the worst company you could ever do business with |
| 19:34.19 | gpm | hi. is there any way (short of uninstalling mozilla) of making firefox used for text/html instead of mozilla? i'm talking about /etc/mailcap here. i've already tried update-alternatives... |
| 19:34.26 | fpiat | kooldeb: since one can use it's firewall (on the router) to forward incomming connection (to port 80, for instance), and forward it to it's web server inside his box.... |
| 19:34.26 | quickFuse | c++ is reccomended to use the mostly languages |
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| 19:35.37 | fpiat | kooldeb: in the same way, one can forward incomming connection to port 10022 (just an example), and forward it to ANYWHERE ! inside, or outside |
| 19:35.39 | valdyn | gpm: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 19:35.51 | kooldeb | ya i could connect from physically being outside the LAN, but thinking of using a way of doing so as if I was outside while being inside, for example using an external shell or some poxy |
| 19:36.01 | gpm | valdyn: i already did that. but mozilla still owns /etc/mailcap |
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| 19:36.06 | quickFuse | i will re-install to fix this problem??? |
| 19:36.13 | gpm | valdyn: update-alternatives didn't affect /etc/mailcap |
| 19:36.17 | quickFuse | we will try this solutions. thanks you. |
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| 19:36.32 | kooldeb | fpiat: ya, I did forward what you are mentionning through changing the settings in my router |
| 19:36.50 | timbog4 | any tips as to the module I should use? |
| 19:37.22 | valdyn | gpm: reinstalling does fix mailcap at leaste for some applications |
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| 19:37.36 | valdyn | gpm: reinstalling your firefox that is |
| 19:37.49 | gpm | valdyn: trying... |
| 19:37.57 | JoshTriplett | fpiat, valdyn: Well, I finally just decided to remove ifplugd. |
| 19:38.00 | fpiat | yep... it isn't i your router... it's in someone else |
| 19:38.05 | JoshTriplett | fpiat, valdyn: But thanks for the help anyway. |
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| 19:38.24 | valdyn | JoshTriplett: Welcome |
| 19:38.45 | valdyn | gpm: i could "fix" the same issue for archive handling, didnt try or have to try firefox |
| 19:39.18 | JoshTriplett | naddar: Well, it looks like the package is only in unstable, not testing. |
| 19:39.21 | JoshTriplett | naddar: One moment. |
| 19:39.23 | fpiat | Josh, hi. it's too bad, just because of a buggy network interface ;( |
| 19:40.03 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: *nod* |
| 19:40.21 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: But whenever ifplugd runs, it runs dhclient wrongly, and waits a long time. |
| 19:40.28 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: No point having it if it won't work. |
| 19:40.32 | fpiat | kooldeb: it's probably a bit tricky, though. |
| 19:40.37 | JoshTriplett | fpiat: Broadcomm. Bah. |
| 19:40.48 | fpiat | bah! |
| 19:41.07 | gpm | meh, i just created ~/.mailcap |
| 19:41.08 | kooldeb | fpiat: any easy way of doing it ? |
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| 19:41.40 | fpiat | it depends on what's the easier for you.. btw, why do you need this ? |
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| 19:42.08 | JoshTriplett | naddar: Download http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/u/unrar/unrar_0.0.1-1_i386.deb |
| 19:42.20 | timbog4 | are all the modules for the kernel installed by default(at least the one that are on the install cd) or just the ones loaded during setup? |
| 19:42.24 | JoshTriplett | naddar: Then install it with "dpkg -i unrar_0.0.1-1_i386.deb" as root. |
| 19:42.40 | kooldeb | fpiat: to test changes on the machine |
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| 19:42.48 | valdyn | gpm: the clean way to do this cleanly for all users seems to be to add whatever into the user section in /etc/mailcap |
| 19:42.52 | fpiat | kooldeb: it depends on what's the easier for you (getting a remote shell, or having someone modifiying its firewall).. btw, why do you need this ? |
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| 19:44.56 | kooldeb | fpiat: I have heard there are tons of remote shells for free, but wondering if they would allow you to use ssh for testing purposes |
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| 19:47.40 | fpiat | kooldeb, i have tested only one... it wasn't allowed. |
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| 19:47.48 | terr | can someone lend me a hand with a net install of sarge? The docs appear incorrect. |
| 19:47.48 | chealer | why does man printcap refer to config files in /etc as "//etc/*" (two slashes at start)? |
| 19:48.06 | kooldeb | fpiat: I thought so :P |
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| 19:48.41 | mae | Hi, I am having an issue with setting up a transparent proxy. I have shorewall setup.. This was the first step I did, I have NAT setup perfectly on my network. When i implemented DANSGuardian and squid i made a rule in shorewall to redirect port 80 traffic to 8080.. it seems to be working except for some reason squid receives a truncated url request. i.e instead of www.homepage.com/index.php it just says "unable to retrieve /index.php" invalid url |
| 19:49.10 | hyksos | hi, is there a tool with which i can convert a textfile into a png file? |
| 19:49.10 | fpiat | kooldeb.. how long would you need that ? |
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| 19:49.32 | PEACEYALL | how do i check my kernel version |
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| 19:50.06 | Glanzmann | Hello everyone. |
| 19:50.18 | hyksos | PEACEYALL :uname -a |
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| 19:50.34 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 19:50.50 | rave | hey |
| 19:50.52 | mike-M | hyksos: what kind of textfile ? |
| 19:51.07 | hyksos | souce code file, normal text |
| 19:51.09 | Glanzmann | I am looking for a Graphic Card which supports DVI, XV and the rotate/resize capability (which supports rotate). |
| 19:51.09 | mike-M | PEACEYALL: or simplier uname -r |
| 19:51.36 | terr | can someone please lend me a hand with a net install of sarge? The docs appear incorrect. |
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| 19:51.50 | mike-M | Glanzmann: look at Nvidia because they have a lot of features, maybe the most |
| 19:51.55 | Glanzmann | terr: They're correct. |
| 19:52.16 | ribnitz | terr: last time I did it, it was foolproof. Be more specific with your prob. |
| 19:52.17 | Glanzmann | mike-M: I already have a Nvidia Card. The Open Source driver doesn't support acceleration when rotate is on. |
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| 19:52.19 | fpiat | Hello terr, |
| 19:52.29 | mike-M | :/ |
| 19:52.31 | fpiat | terr, what's wrong ? |
| 19:52.56 | terr | <ribnitz> maybe I'm looking at the wrong docs then. |
| 19:53.00 | Glanzmann | The commercial does AFAIK not support rotate at all. But the developers of the nvidia driver asked on eof the XFree develeopers if the interface is stable ... this indicates that they're going to support it in the future. |
| 19:53.09 | ribnitz | Is there a way to extract the dvd menu of a dvd? |
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| 19:53.58 | hyksos | ribnitz :i think its extracted, a file on the dvd, or? |
| 19:53.58 | mith | is ethereal broken in sarge right now or something? |
| 19:53.59 | _terr | ah better - wrong IRC client |
| 19:54.14 | mike-Away | mith, it works fine by me |
| 19:54.15 | _terr | Download the floppy disk image files from the |
| 19:54.15 | _terr | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:54.25 | Souza10 | Does anybody know how to logoff from samba and login as a different user without restart the windows machine? |
| 19:54.28 | mith | hrm, I'll purge it and reinstall and see what happens |
| 19:54.33 | mike-Away | mith, ethereal 0.10.10 |
| 19:54.43 | _terr | directory does not exist. I'm here: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/ |
| 19:54.55 | mike-Away | mith, 0.10.10-2 |
| 19:55.12 | mith | ya, that's what I'm using too |
| 19:55.31 | ribnitz | hyksos: I have files VIDEO_TS.BUP/IFO/VOB, and VTS_xx_y.IFO/BUP/VOB |
| 19:55.39 | mith | The program 'ethereal' received an X Window System error. |
| 19:55.45 | mith | hmmm |
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| 19:56.01 | fpiat | terr, might be in there : http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/ |
| 19:56.25 | hyksos | ribnitz :sorry, i cant help you there, the only thing is, the menu is still not in the mpeg video integrated, so it must be anywhere |
| 19:56.46 | _terr | fpiat: I looked there actually - and it appears the boot images are there. However there seem many copies. |
| 19:56.48 | mike-Away | mith, run it from a virtual console to get more precise error |
| 19:57.27 | ribnitz | hyksos: I also used transcode on the video, which gave me an mpeg flie, but 1.30 of dvd without navigarion is kinda poinltess |
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| 19:58.51 | mith | mike-Away: I did, I was just pasting it was some relevant information: http://linpaste.sinusoid.com:7000/314 |
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| 19:59.07 | mith | I ran xterm afterwards just to show that X isn't fucked up |
| 19:59.20 | hyksos | how can i put a textfile into dia? or is this impossible because its a vector based program? |
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| 19:59.23 | _terr | Here is the FIRST confusion... look here: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/ We see both sarge/ and testing/ and nothing is said if these are identical or even a symlink. So which do I use? |
| 19:59.36 | mith | mike-Away: and it does the same thing whether I run it as root or as a user ;) |
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| 20:00.15 | mith | maybe it's trying to do something fucking retarded like access the root window, because my X server doesn't have one. ;) |
| 20:00.16 | mith | hmm |
| 20:00.44 | mike-Away | mith, waou, sorry I can't help, maybe check the dependency (but I really don't know what to do) |
| 20:01.06 | mith | mike-Away: ya, I'm going to try turning the root window on, but other than that, I'm pretty much at a loss |
| 20:01.30 | mike-Away | mith, tcpdump could help you at least |
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| 20:01.58 | fpiat | terr, i know.. it seem an unfortunate move occured... (i didn't netinst for a while) look here : http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
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| 20:02.06 | mith | meh, if I wanted tcpdump, I'd be running tcpdump ;) |
| 20:02.54 | mike-Away | :-/ k :) |
| 20:03.12 | mith | bah, enabling the root window of my X server didn't work, bah |
| 20:03.31 | _terr | fpiat: I'm looking in tghat directory. There still seems to be a lot of duplications. |
| 20:04.03 | _terr | fpiat: I imagine these are symlink - and if so then the docs should say so. They do not even point to the proper directories. |
| 20:04.21 | mith | oh whoa, there's a x-less version of ethereal now? nifty, fuck that gtk version then. |
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| 20:04.54 | fpiat | terr, the content of 2.6 is kernel-2.6 instead of 2.4 it depends on what you want. |
| 20:05.15 | _terr | fpiat: ok - that makes sense. |
| 20:05.27 | naddar | i installed a game tetris |
| 20:05.30 | fpiat | terr, the menu will prompt for what you want to boot... |
| 20:05.31 | naddar | how can i start it now |
| 20:05.56 | mike-Away | !rtfm |
| 20:05.56 | dpkg | from memory, rtfm is Read The Fucking Manual. If you want to ask a question about foo, please read man foo; before asking. If there isn't a manpage about foo, use apropos to find one. Reading manuals helps us help you. [You might try info foo as well.] |
| 20:06.05 | fpiat | terr, the initrd and linux in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ are kernel-2.4 |
| 20:06.06 | _terr | fpiat: this does not look familiar. When I installed woody - about 2 years ago - I downloaded some floppy images then booted of the floppy and this directory does not seem to be orientated this way. |
| 20:07.07 | _terr | fpiat: is there any reason I should be in a 2.6 kernel? |
| 20:07.26 | _terr | fpiat: I'm running a 2.4 kernel in this machine. |
| 20:07.44 | fpiat | it wa very different... when woody came out, many people didn't have bootable network card but they had a floppy... |
| 20:08.01 | ribnitz | is there a way to convert an mpg file back to the DVD format? |
| 20:08.14 | karsten | ribnitz: Not losslessly. |
| 20:08.32 | _terr | fpiat: ok - I have a fdd in the target machine. I just bought a new NIC and I'll have to check if I can boot from it. |
| 20:08.36 | _terr | fpiat: BRB |
| 20:08.55 | fpiat | terr, woody didn't support netboot |
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| 20:10.11 | ribnitz | karsten: Ok, given an image of a DVD filesystem on disk, bigger than the 4.3G, I want to get to a toolchain that converts that to 4.3G image, with as little loss as possible. |
| 20:10.33 | ribnitz | karsten: I basically shrunk that 5G dvd to an 1.6G mpg |
| 20:10.44 | mith | mike-M: ssh -Y instead of ssh -X fixed it, apparently it's some kind of change in ssh recently that I missed |
| 20:11.04 | karsten | ribnitz: NFC. I just know that mpg is lossy compression. |
| 20:11.04 | mike-M | ok , I don't knew of that |
| 20:11.37 | _terr | fpiat: ok.. I got the nic in my hands now - There does not appear to be a boot prom on it and no socket either. |
| 20:11.42 | ribnitz | karsten: "it looks the same" |
| 20:11.50 | karsten | ribnitz: I don't do video. |
| 20:12.01 | chealer | [repeat] why does man printcap refer to config files in /etc as "//etc/*" (two slashes at start)? |
| 20:12.20 | karsten | ribnitz: What I know, and what I told you, is you've got a lossy form of the video. How to convert formats is your problem, not mine. Full stop. |
| 20:13.04 | karsten | ribnitz: IOW: I don't know the answer. I'm not inclined to research for you. |
| 20:13.11 | _terr | fpiat: gawd - only winders instructions... but it says there are linux drivers on the fdd. Its a realtec chipset so I suspect the support is already compiled in |
| 20:13.27 | ribnitz | karsten: thats for the info given anyway. :) |
| 20:13.33 | karsten | ribnitz: NP |
| 20:13.35 | _terr | RTL8139D chipset |
| 20:13.42 | fpiat | chealter, proably just a mistake. |
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| 20:14.04 | fpiat | chealter, try ls //etc/* |
| 20:14.06 | chealer | fpiat: it does that consistently |
| 20:14.44 | chealer | fpiat: it does the same as ls /etc/* |
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| 20:15.27 | fpiat | chealter, the "bug" is may be in the script... nothing goes wrong, and nothing should go wrong... |
| 20:15.33 | _terr | fpiat: I d/l's the images in sarge/main/installer-i386/curren/images/floppy Now as I recall I needed to use rawrite to copy them to the fdd. |
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| 20:15.50 | chealer | fpiat: which script? |
| 20:16.39 | _terr | fpiat: wait - rawrite is for winders. How do I copy those images into a fdd from linux? This shuld be in the docs... its not as far as I can see. |
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| 20:17.01 | fpiat | chealter: AFAIK "//something" only ha s has special mening when you "mount //windowsserver/share /somewhere -t smbfs" |
| 20:17.03 | drac | fpiat: dd if=/tmp/floppy.img of=/dev/fd0 |
| 20:17.44 | fpiat | terr, it seems to me that this card isn't "PXE" enable |
| 20:17.48 | chealer | fpiat: really? I never heard of that, is that documented somewhere? |
| 20:17.50 | nomed^ | apt-get -ys install amanda-client=2.4.4p3-2 ... doesn't find anything but with $ver=1:2.4.4p3-2 .. what's the meaning of that 1:? |
| 20:17.50 | ia3264 | is pekwm anygood |
| 20:18.02 | ia3264 | it seems really good but its not in apt |
| 20:18.12 | drac | _terr: err, that was for you:) |
| 20:18.18 | drac | fpiat: sorry. |
| 20:18.36 | chealer | !tell nomed^ about epoch |
| 20:18.45 | _terr | drac hang on... I was reading the iunstallation manual. |
| 20:18.54 | fpiat | drac, thanks for him. i'am fine. |
| 20:19.32 | _terr | drac thanx - I was thinking that was the proper way to go. Damn - been over two years since I used dd. |
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| 20:20.21 | nomed^ | chealer, that's bad for scripts .. for ex .. dpkg -l doesn't write that 1: is it true? |
| 20:20.22 | Debian\Pwns | can anyone tell me how i can stop xmms? its dissapeared frm the dektop but the music is still going.. |
| 20:20.31 | Rawplayer | lol |
| 20:20.40 | Rawplayer | kill it |
| 20:20.42 | Rawplayer | killall xmms |
| 20:20.45 | chealer | nomed^: hum, no, for more info check debian policy I think |
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| 20:20.58 | Debian\Pwns | «« xmms »» no process killed |
| 20:21.37 | ApTek | 15:17 -!- netcraft is now known as net`afk |
| 20:21.37 | ApTek | 15:17 < Gathond> mith: probably |
| 20:21.37 | ApTek | 15:17 < Shaun-> pipeline: so i guess my question is that i need to create a bootable hd image somehow.. |
| 20:21.47 | Debian\Pwns | and when i go to start a new terminal .. it says Starting New terminal in the window a moment . then it just closes |
| 20:21.47 | ApTek | Whoops, I apologize for that. |
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| 20:21.56 | dzurishadai | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:21.56 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. Contrib and non-free sources needed. see <non-free sources> |
| 20:22.08 | chealer | !tell dzurishadai about msg the bot |
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| 20:22.59 | fpiat | chealter, see /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-2.6.8/Documentation/filesystems/cifs.txt.gz |
| 20:23.13 | chealer | ok fpiat |
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| 20:23.58 | chealer | fpiat: BTW you can use your IRC client's nick completion to avoid making typos in people's name |
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| 20:24.55 | Debian\Pwns | can someone tell me why when i go to start a new terminal .. it says Starting New terminal in the window a moment . then it just closes |
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| 20:25.23 | pngwn | OR you could not be so anal-retentive and not worry about a few typos ;) |
| 20:25.37 | fpiat | chealer: oupps... i'm sorry (i'll check in my dictionnary, but i think it has a specific meaning, the way i spelt it). |
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| 20:26.19 | kooldeb_2 | how can one view recently installed packaged through apt-get ? |
| 20:27.04 | kooldeb_2 | packaged = packages |
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| 20:27.56 | chealer | kooldeb_2: you can't |
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| 20:28.14 | chealer | fpiat: ok, never heard of that :) |
| 20:28.50 | chealer | fpiat: I see what you mean about // for mount, I really didn't think you could do that. |
| 20:29.18 | fpiat | chealer: i've looked up... it doesn't. i'm still sorry, though. |
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| 20:29.43 | mops_ | why when my logs are rotated, NOTHING else is logged into the empty logs? |
| 20:29.55 | chealer | fpiat: heh I don't care, it's just that you didn't use nick completion..which saves time. be a good geek! :) |
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| 20:30.03 | mops_ | logs are rotated with command: logrotate /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 20:30.29 | mops_ | and there is option "create" turned on in this file |
| 20:30.55 | mops_ | I had to issue /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart |
| 20:31.18 | mops_ | to start logging something in logs |
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| 20:33.50 | fpiat | chealer: mount "device" is often a bit specific are specific,not just "/filesystem/path" but also "nfsserver:/path" for NFS, or "http://webdavserver/" for webdav or "user@host" for unusual shfs |
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| 20:34.17 | fpiat | chealer: actually, it will same mine too.. from now on. |
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| 20:35.20 | chealer | fpiat: wow, I didn't know any of that |
| 20:35.40 | chealer | I don't understand your last message though |
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| 20:36.38 | fpiat | chealer: actually, it will SAVE my time too.. from now on. |
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| 20:36.59 | chealer | ok :) |
| 20:37.02 | oskie | can massive IRQ load cause clock drift? i've never seen the clock drift so much on my server when i'm running badblocks on multiple disks at the same time |
| 20:37.23 | fpiat | mops_: do you have "create 0664 root utmp" in logrotate ? |
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| 20:37.46 | karsten | OT: is Silver Lake Partners the MSFT-related venture fund? |
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| 20:38.21 | karsten | WRT Sun buyout rumors (denied by Sun). |
| 20:38.21 | mops_ | fpiat: yes, I have: |
| 20:38.55 | mops_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:39.56 | ia3264 | is there another way to echo '. /etc/bash_completion' >> ~/.bashrc, witout having to append bash_completion file to bashrc? so its not clogged up? like somehow import /etc/bash_completetion from .bashrc? |
| 20:40.02 | mops_ | I completly don't understand that practise - why is logfile MOVED? |
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| 20:40.30 | delire | OT anyone here ever converted Tivo files to mpeg ? |
| 20:40.42 | mops_ | why isn't the content of the old log stored in log.X and the old log cut to 0 size? |
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| 20:41.49 | ia3264 | oh duh nm |
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| 20:41.58 | lumat | evening |
| 20:42.01 | lumat | I need some improvement on my firefox startup time ... |
| 20:42.15 | lumat | it actually takes 2mins on my testing/unstable .. |
| 20:42.16 | valdyn | lumat: apt-cache show prelink |
| 20:42.23 | ike_x | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:42.30 | _terr | why would I be getting this error message? dd: opening `/dev/fd0': Read-only file system |
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| 20:42.35 | valdyn | lumat: buy a somewhat recent computer |
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| 20:42.54 | lumat | valdyn: lol, 2Ghz enough |
| 20:42.57 | lumat | ? |
| 20:42.57 | chealer | ike_x: you're using woody? |
| 20:43.01 | ike_x | yep |
| 20:43.13 | lumat | but thx, did not know prelink can be used for firefox |
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| 20:43.41 | valdyn | lumat: 2ghz is plenty, and also a meaningless value just by itself |
| 20:43.48 | chealer | ike_x: you can't really mix woody with sarge or sid, except maybe for a documentation package... |
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| 20:43.59 | waxboy | greetings |
| 20:44.16 | chealer | ike_x: woody is about 3 years old, so there would be a dependency hell |
| 20:44.20 | delire | ike_x: you'll need to comment out woody and move to testing/unstable. see 'pinning' for other options |
| 20:44.30 | valdyn | lumat: on which disk is it? |
| 20:44.38 | ia3264 | where can i read about prelink for debian? or is it all the same |
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| 20:44.50 | tim__ | have u heard of the new x3 computer modifier |
| 20:45.00 | fpiat | _terr: if i can ask... isn't your floppy write protect ? |
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| 20:45.41 | waxboy | question: what command should i use to decompress a .zip ? |
| 20:45.46 | frido | Hi, I have MDraid1 and in bootlog I have messages like "md: hda2 has different UUID to hdc8". I was googling, but nothing interesting found, any idea what that means ? |
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| 20:45.52 | Gnea | waxboy: unzip |
| 20:45.53 | tim__ | u can read about prelink for debian |
| 20:46.04 | _terr | fpiat: I checked that - no write protected. Just checked the permissions. brw-rw---- root:floppy |
| 20:46.08 | tim__ | on cheeze.net |
| 20:46.12 | _terr | fpiat: this is /dev/fd0 |
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| 20:46.39 | lumat | valdyn: disk ?!? |
| 20:46.49 | tim__ | ahhh on way whisky is gone |
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| 20:47.04 | delire | ike_x: don't msg me, no need. /etc/apt/preferences: Version preferences file. This is where you would specify "pinning", i.e. a preference to get certain packages from a separate source or from another distribution. see man apt-get |
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| 20:47.13 | valdyn | lumat: check if dma is on ( DONT just enable it ) w/ hdparm |
| 20:47.25 | ike_x | thank you :) |
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| 20:47.32 | delire | ike_x: ;) np |
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| 20:47.41 | lumat | using_dma = 1 (on) |
| 20:47.54 | gamma | can someone help me? i'm having problems with nautilus |
| 20:48.05 | _terr | fpiat: in /etc/group, floppy:x:25 No users are associated... |
| 20:48.07 | valdyn | lumat: which desktop are you using? kde? |
| 20:48.08 | delire | lumat: perhaps see /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 20:48.10 | gamma | for some reason it's cutting off the icons on text besides icon mode |
| 20:48.15 | gamma | i've got a ss hold on... |
| 20:48.22 | gamma | http://hugeurl.com/?MzM5YzhiMzIxYWYzZTk1OWI3NDY0ZDcwZjE2NDVjOGYmMTAmVm0wd2QyVkhVWGhUV0docFVtMVNXVll3WkRSV1ZsbDNXa2M1V0ZKc2JETlhhMXBQVmxVeFYyTkljRmhoTWsweFZtcEtTMU5IVmtkWGJGcHBWMFpHTTFacVFtRlRNazE1VTJ0V1ZXSklRbGhXYlhoM1ZWWmFkRTFZY0d4U2JHdzFWa2QwYTFkSFNrZGpTRUpYVFVkU2RscFdXbUZqYkZaeVdrWndWMDFFUlRCV01uUnZVakZXZEZOcmJGSmlWR3hXVm0weGIxSkdiSEZTYlhSWVVqRktTVlZ0ZUhkV01ERkZWbGhrVjJFeVVYZFdha1pYWkVaT2NtSkdTbWxTTW1oWlYxWmtNR1F5VW5OaVNFWlRZbGhTV0ZSV1pGTk5SbF |
| 20:48.33 | lumat | firefox is doing nothing in these 2mins, not with cpu, not with ram, not with disk |
| 20:48.34 | delire | hehe |
| 20:48.43 | gamma | any help would be appreciated |
| 20:48.44 | lumat | valdyn: yes, KDE |
| 20:48.55 | karsten | gamma: Um. Yeah. |
| 20:49.00 | delire | lumat: odd. do other browsers take a while to kick in? lynx http://google.com |
| 20:49.02 | fpiat | mops_: why move log file??? logs grows, by essence... they can time grow very quicky... it easier to rotate and throw (or save) the older ones. |
| 20:49.14 | pragma_ | gamma, only the idiotic among us will click on that URL. |
| 20:49.19 | valdyn | lumat: it should be a little slow b/c your gtk2 libs naturally arent already loaded, but 2 mins still seems excessive.. |
| 20:49.25 | lumat | delire: mozilla is much faster ... |
| 20:49.31 | gamma | pragma_: tinyurl was giving me error messages.. i had to use that instead |
| 20:49.35 | mike-M | lumat: lunch from virtual console to see some erro messages |
| 20:49.39 | delire | lumat: very odd. perhaps a 'chrome' thing? |
| 20:49.39 | pragma_ | Whats wrong with the actual URL? |
| 20:49.42 | gamma | my isp is messing with dnses or something |
| 20:49.44 | lumat | firefox uses gtk1 ? |
| 20:49.46 | mops_ | fpiat: but when one process uses one opened file |
| 20:49.53 | pragma_ | It's not like hugeurl is hosting your page. |
| 20:49.55 | valdyn | lumat: maybe you have proxy set to "auto" and its waiting for that |
| 20:49.55 | fpiat | _terr: your aren't root... good. |
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| 20:50.03 | delire | valdyn: good thought |
| 20:50.05 | tim__ | poo |
| 20:50.07 | mops_ | and there can an intruder like logrotate |
| 20:50.22 | ia3264 | http://web.archive.org/web/20031010172145/http://people.debian.org/~chris/prelink/ |
| 20:50.27 | gamma | http://home.cfl.rr.com/gamma/images/nautilus.png |
| 20:50.29 | _terr | fpiat: I am using root to run dd |
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| 20:50.30 | gamma | there we go |
| 20:50.40 | mops_ | and deletes and create the file again, that's something strange... |
| 20:50.48 | tim__ | do u think debian is skinky |
| 20:50.50 | karsten | gamma: Bye now. Nice knowing yuo. |
| 20:50.54 | _terr | mount /dev/fd0 |
| 20:51.00 | karsten | !ops tim__ troll. |
| 20:51.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: tim__ troll. |
| 20:51.02 | _terr | haha whopps |
| 20:51.15 | tim__ | karsten y r u going |
| 20:51.16 | karsten | tim__: Take it elsewhere. |
| 20:51.16 | delire | tim__ i choose to think of it as 'skanking' |
| 20:51.24 | drac | tim__: y r u ? |
| 20:51.29 | fpiat | _terr: if you "dd" you don't have to mount it. |
| 20:51.41 | tim__ | shut it bitch |
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| 20:51.56 | drac | ignored :) |
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| 20:52.01 | tim__ | hi jordin |
| 20:52.06 | _terr | fpiat: ya - but I'm seeing if it will mount - doens't look good - but then that disk has no fs on it. |
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| 20:52.29 | valdyn | lumat: if nothing if this helps, i would rm -r "~/.firefox" |
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| 20:52.38 | tim__ | which disk has no fs |
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| 20:52.44 | jesperj | how do I launch kfilereplace from command line? the command "kfilereplace" is unknown |
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| 20:52.55 | valdyn | hehe |
| 20:52.56 | _terr | fpiat: damn- mount says it is write protected. Why would that be? |
| 20:53.02 | lumat | it says "direct connection" |
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| 20:53.07 | tim__ | do you know agood chat site |
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| 20:53.19 | fpiat | mops_: right. sometime, logsd are rotated and changed to root only... |
| 20:53.21 | valdyn | lumat: thats fine |
| 20:53.26 | tim__ | do u know tony blair |
| 20:53.28 | ia3264 | apt-get install prelink takes care of everything right? |
| 20:53.37 | valdyn | lumat: that takes a long time |
| 20:53.39 | karsten | !ops kick tim__ kthx |
| 20:53.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kick tim__ kthx |
| 20:53.52 | tim__ | i am cornholioe |
| 20:53.52 | karsten | tim__: Go away already. |
| 20:54.04 | mops_ | fpiat: is there some option that would force logrotate to NOT delete the old file? |
| 20:54.07 | fpiat | _terr: as far as mount is concerned, it's just an information (like when you mount a CDROM).. |
| 20:54.22 | ia3264 | tim__, is clearly a troll |
| 20:54.24 | tim__ | fuck off bitch karsten |
| 20:54.38 | ia3264 | corntrollio |
| 20:54.47 | ribnitz | has anyone here used transcode? -how do I get it to output DVD-conpatible format rather than the various S(X..)VCD? |
| 20:54.49 | streuner | Don't feed the troll |
| 20:54.54 | _terr | fpiat: I have not used this floppy in over a year. |
| 20:54.55 | fpiat | mops_: as you said, files and deleted, but moved, then re-created |
| 20:54.59 | valdyn | ia3264: if it does or not, you will notice, but you should read /usr/share/doc/prelink/* |
| 20:55.12 | tim__ | im a troll your the billegoat |
| 20:55.35 | tim__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:55.48 | delire | ribnitz: i've used it alot but not to these ends. AFAIK 'dvdauthor' or similar offered such option. |
| 20:55.48 | tim__ | h |
| 20:55.48 | tim__ | dx |
| 20:55.48 | tim__ | ghfg |
| 20:55.49 | _terr | fpiat: maybe the damn drive died. |
| 20:55.56 | fpiat | _terr: "F.L.O.P.P.Y." .. it must be an acronym which basically means "unrealiable" |
| 20:56.00 | mops_ | fpiat: that's the ONLY way of logrotate? |
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| 20:56.04 | tim__ | maybe |
| 20:56.10 | tim__ | hi |
| 20:56.14 | _terr | fpiat: possible. |
| 20:56.14 | rectum | hola |
| 20:56.27 | streuner | !enter |
| 20:56.27 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. |
| 20:56.29 | _terr | fpiat: I have woody boot disks... |
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| 20:56.56 | tim__ | do you like me |
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| 20:57.32 | tim__ | dance |
| 20:57.36 | tim__ | p |
| 20:57.36 | _terr | fpiat: I'm trying mount /dev/fd0 /floppy - looks like it is timing out |
| 20:57.37 | tim__ | p |
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| 20:57.41 | fpiat | mops_: what's your rule for syslog'logrotate |
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| 20:57.55 | ribnitz | delire: What I basically want is to shrink a dvd9 to a dvd5 (from files), but keeping the dvd format, so no unnecessary (lossy) encodings). |
| 20:57.57 | jesperj | how do I launch kfilereplace from command line? the command "kfilereplace" is unknown |
| 20:58.00 | gravity | Thanks EE |
| 20:58.02 | mops_ | fpiat: I don't understand question |
| 20:58.21 | fpiat | _terr: do you have another computer to test your floppy... or another floppy? |
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| 20:58.50 | _terr | fpiat: I've got about 6 computers here and a box of floppies unused and dosens of used ones. |
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| 20:59.01 | pipeline | ribnitz: It's not that hard to do by hand. |
| 20:59.06 | karsten | !beer ElectricElf |
| 20:59.17 | valdyn | ribnitz: try google, ive read about doing just that a year ago, it was quite tricky, mencoder was not part of it =/ |
| 21:00.01 | ribnitz | valdyn: I googled alot, and found a tool called dvd::rip, which is a nice frontend, but always wants to shrink to VCD.. |
| 21:00.13 | _terr | fpiat: the mount command is not working... this is on a fat disk. I note that konquor sees the floppy as /devfd0floppy |
| 21:00.20 | valdyn | ribnitz: it cannot do what you want |
| 21:00.20 | ribnitz | pipeline: can you give me a pointer? |
| 21:00.30 | valdyn | ribnitz: just decode and encode again |
| 21:01.03 | delire | ribnitz: hmm well all dvdauthor will do is setup a dvd fs and make a playable dvd from an mpeg2 file/stream. sorry, i think i mistook your query. |
| 21:01.09 | jesperj | I installed kfilereplace but I can not start it. "kfilereplace" in a terminal gives command not found |
| 21:01.11 | _terr | fpiat: mount was also saying /dev/fd0 is an Invalid argument |
| 21:01.11 | ribnitz | valdyn: If possible I want to keep the original menu.. |
| 21:01.21 | valdyn | ribnitz: whats the technical term for this? |
| 21:01.35 | ia3264 | too bad bots dont have auto troll and spam recognition like they do with flood protection |
| 21:01.39 | valdyn | ribnitz: would make googling easier.. |
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| 21:01.50 | AcuraX | how do i get gnome? |
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| 21:01.57 | valdyn | !gnome |
| 21:01.58 | dpkg | somebody said gnome was a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager, or a barely-usable pile of dung |
| 21:01.58 | gravity | AcuraX: aptitude install gnome |
| 21:02.02 | ribnitz | valdyn: transcode, but that gives me transcode I already have. |
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| 21:02.05 | drac | AcuraX: apt-get install x-window-system-core gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 21:02.11 | streuner | AcuraX: what version of debian do you have? |
| 21:02.21 | delire | ia3264: spamd for trolls. i propose bayesian filtering for trolls and name it "trollassassin" |
| 21:02.21 | valdyn | ribnitz: no, not transcode, thats a super term |
| 21:02.24 | AcuraX | it's the knoppix |
| 21:02.27 | ribnitz | valdyn: what i need is help with transcoding. |
| 21:02.30 | AcuraX | but i was told to ask here |
| 21:02.32 | ia3264 | heh |
| 21:02.36 | gravity | AcuraX: Go to #knoppix for knoppix questions |
| 21:02.38 | drac | AcuraX: by whom? |
| 21:02.43 | streuner | AcuraX: Who told you this? |
| 21:02.56 | ribnitz | valdyn: requantisation? |
| 21:02.57 | streuner | hm |
| 21:03.00 | paulswm | Fuck |
| 21:03.03 | valdyn | ribnitz: yea! |
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| 21:03.13 | paulswm | Should have asked him before redirecting him :) |
| 21:03.17 | darkcmd | does anyone know of a good GTK2 dialer application |
| 21:03.27 | streuner | paulswm: yep |
| 21:03.48 | fpiat | _terr: so you could mount it, "dd" it ? |
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| 21:03.58 | valdyn | ribnitz: you could use dvdshrink on wine, thats all i see |
| 21:04.01 | Frafra | hi |
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| 21:04.03 | Frafra | i must convert a dmg into a iso file, what i must use? |
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| 21:04.26 | delire | Frafra: perhaps do that OSeX side. |
| 21:04.38 | Frafra | delire: i must convert it on linux |
| 21:04.47 | ribnitz | valdyn: how do I install dvdshrink on wine? |
| 21:04.49 | Frafra | my apple doesn't work |
| 21:04.50 | Frafra | :( |
| 21:04.52 | goron | How can I restore data from a ext3 fs? I deleted somethings unpurposely. |
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| 21:05.11 | streuner | goron: backup |
| 21:05.15 | valdyn | ribnitz: hmm, transcode does support requantisation, dvd::rip has supporting this under its todo list |
| 21:05.21 | paulswm | goron: generally, you can't, because ext3 cleanrs the inodes |
| 21:05.23 | delire | Frafra: well it's a very OS dependent format. apt-cache search dmg produces no results here. see freshmeat.net perhaps. |
| 21:05.37 | goron | streuner: I thought I had a backup, but it wasn't a recursive one(gftp). |
| 21:05.44 | Frafra | i think that i can mount it with -o loop and then create a iso. is it possible? |
| 21:05.55 | streuner | !unix lessons |
| 21:05.55 | dpkg | i heard unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 21:06.03 | ribnitz | goron: quickest way: backup, there are tools (ext3 undelete) but I have no idea about their quality. |
| 21:06.07 | delire | Frafra: try it, i wiped my mac so don't use *.dmg anymore. |
| 21:06.18 | valdyn | ribnitz: no idea, im just googling... |
| 21:06.51 | fpiat | mops_: interesting... sysklog isn't rotated by logrotate |
| 21:06.55 | Frafra | delire: -o loop -t what? |
| 21:07.24 | valdyn | ribnitz: man transcode, search requant ) |
| 21:07.30 | delire | Frafra: -t for file system type |
| 21:07.37 | Frafra | yet |
| 21:07.43 | fpiat | mops_: it's rotated in "/etc/cron.daily/sysklogd" |
| 21:07.43 | Frafra | but what tipe for dmg? |
| 21:07.45 | delire | ribnitz: check out qdvdauthor all the same. it comes with a few interesting tools |
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| 21:08.11 | paulswm | goron: if you know a reasonably unique string in the file, you can grep the device and get the block number. if you know about how many blocks there are and in which block that string should occur, you can dd the blocks to a file on a different filesyste. I've done this once. |
| 21:08.11 | delire | Frafra: as i said, why *should* you expect it to be supported? like many things apple, they only look at their own shoes. |
| 21:08.26 | Debian\Pwns | will debian run on a 266MHz comp? |
| 21:08.36 | Debian\Pwns | and 96MB memory |
| 21:08.38 | paulswm | Debian\Pwns: yes, |
| 21:08.40 | streuner | yes |
| 21:08.41 | Frafra | delire: i've tried dmg2iso.pl, but it crash |
| 21:08.43 | Debian\Pwns | Cool |
| 21:08.46 | delire | Frafra: i would check out freshmeat.net. if in the mount manpages you don't see a reference to *.dmg i would consider looking elsewhere |
| 21:08.49 | jesperj | there is something fishy going on |
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| 21:08.58 | jesperj | I can not execute kfilereplace |
| 21:09.03 | delire | Frafra: right.. |
| 21:09.03 | jesperj | I have the package installed |
| 21:09.09 | paulswm | Debian\Pwns: That is probably too slow and small for X, though |
| 21:09.14 | Debian\Pwns | ye |
| 21:09.15 | streuner | Debian\Pwns: for what for? |
| 21:09.16 | moeen | I'm looking for Debian Sarge CDs, can anyone help me ? |
| 21:09.17 | nomed^ | Debian\Pwns, i've debian on a pentium 75 133Mhz and 24 Mb RAM |
| 21:09.34 | delire | Debian\Pwns that's a killer machine where debian is concerned ;) |
| 21:09.42 | streuner | Debian\Pwns: server or desktop? |
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| 21:09.45 | Debian\Pwns | :p |
| 21:09.47 | Debian\Pwns | server |
| 21:09.47 | goron | streuner: What is the recommend way to backup? tar? |
| 21:09.49 | Frafra | delire: hdutil convert dmg into a iso file, but i haven't found it for debian... |
| 21:09.50 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: 486 / 16 MB / 125 MB |
| 21:09.52 | paulswm | nomed^: Heh, close to an old box of mine: a P133 MMX with 32MB :) |
| 21:09.58 | darkcmd | moeen, on the website... they have links to cd images |
| 21:10.00 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: ...if you want a minimal config. |
| 21:10.04 | ribnitz | valdyn: looks good... :) |
| 21:10.04 | fpiat | moeen: do you mead cd image or physical cd ? |
| 21:10.23 | streuner | goron: yep, tar is not bad, but debian have serveral other tools - apt-cache search <foo> |
| 21:10.26 | moeen | fpiat, Physical CD |
| 21:10.32 | Debian\Pwns | its actually for a friend .. he has been looking at my debian box and he likes it .. so he is guna put debian on one of his own comps |
| 21:10.47 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: For full desktop w/ GNOME/KDE, I'd recommend you up RAM to ~256+ (512 - 1GB is happier). More CPU also helps for graphics, video, mutlitmedia. What's your intended use. |
| 21:10.53 | moeen | darkcmd, My internet has 2gig limit for Download |
| 21:10.59 | karsten | !tell nomed^ about di |
| 21:11.07 | karsten | nomed^: Sarge netinst is strongly recommended. |
| 21:11.10 | Debian\Pwns | its probably only going to be used for servers etc.. |
| 21:11.34 | paulswm | Debian\Pwns: if you run X on less than a 450MHz CPU with 256MB of memory, it is going to suck big time |
| 21:11.44 | nomed^ | karsten, it's what i used :D .. |
| 21:11.45 | streuner | Debian\Pwns: desktop eniviroments (GNOME or KDE) tends to use a lot of ressources |
| 21:11.50 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: What services, what load (how many users/hits)? For general office / small lan or light webserving, fine. |
| 21:12.03 | karsten | nomed^: Doh, missfire. |
| 21:12.09 | Debian\Pwns | Cool |
| 21:12.10 | streuner | Debian\Pwns: ok, that's fine then |
| 21:12.10 | karsten | !tell moeen about di |
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| 21:12.29 | fpiat | moeen: where do you live (which country)... |
| 21:12.29 | delire | Frafra: is the reason you'r converting a *.dmg > *.iso as part of a system rescue mission? |
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| 21:12.50 | jesperj | I can not execute kfilereplace and i have it installed |
| 21:13.07 | moeen | fpiat, UAE (United arabic of Emirates) |
| 21:13.09 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: For database work, heavier loads, a full modern desktop, terminal serivces, it's a bit weak. For a technical desktop (console or light WM) you can use it if you're obliging. |
| 21:13.21 | delire | jesperj: any error output? |
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| 21:14.01 | karsten | moeen: ThinkGeek &/or LinuxCentral (if they're still around) sell disks. ~US$10/set. |
| 21:14.02 | jesperj | delire, just that the command isnt found |
| 21:14.05 | Frafra | i've a legal copy of my macos into a dmg file in my linux box. i must format my apple and reinstall the os. i must burn the dmg, but for to this i must convert it into a iso |
| 21:14.46 | karsten | moeen: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
| 21:14.55 | moeen | karsten, there isn't any LinuxCentral here ! just Fedora is available in Dubai |
| 21:14.56 | delire | jesperj: it's a dependency of other packages, and not a standalone app AFAIK. 'quanta' is one of the few applications using it |
| 21:15.05 | karsten | moeen: ...or manage your install from a spot w/ high BW> |
| 21:15.10 | Debian\Pwns | ok whats that version of debian where you can install it via the internet ... and using the floppy disks |
| 21:15.22 | Debian\Pwns | sorry for my amazing description :p |
| 21:15.24 | karsten | moeen: Another option is to go Ubuntu -- they'll ship free WW IIUC. |
| 21:15.33 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: netinst. |
| 21:15.41 | karsten | Debian\Pwns: ...or chroot install, perhaps. |
| 21:15.43 | delire | Frafra: i can't help sorry. see #debian-ppc for others that may have gone through the same process. |
| 21:15.52 | Frafra | thanks |
| 21:15.55 | karsten | !tell Debian\Pwns about netinst |
| 21:16.24 | jesperj | delire, my system says I have the package kfilereplace installed... |
| 21:16.37 | moeen | karsten, I have highspeed internet, but have 2gig limit for Download ! |
| 21:16.52 | Debian\Pwns | so do i just download the 4 .bin's and put on the on floppy with raw-write ?¿ |
| 21:16.58 | fpiat | karsten: thanks for moeen... i was looking for the URL ! |
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| 21:17.00 | delire | jesperj: "KFileReplace is an embedded component for KDE that acts as a batch search-and-replace tool" |
| 21:17.02 | Debian\Pwns | and then boot etc... |
| 21:17.05 | karsten | moeen: I saw that. |
| 21:17.33 | karsten | moeen: If you can get d/l access elsewhere, you can d/l the ISOs via jigdo there, then install at home. |
| 21:17.39 | delire | jesperj: i'd look at 'krename' or write a shell script. |
| 21:17.53 | karsten | moeen: 2 gb in what time period? |
| 21:18.02 | karsten | moeen: day / week / month / ... ? |
| 21:18.06 | moeen | karsten, per month |
| 21:18.44 | karsten | moeen: OK. A netinst disk == 110 MB. Your actual base install's going to push close to that, but if ypu phase your package installs, you'll be OK. |
| 21:18.50 | karsten | moeen: ...if you can get a better ISP, do. |
| 21:19.16 | Lee_1 | IIRC a manual package install from sarge netinst as about 300 MB |
| 21:19.17 | moeen | karsten, In emirates there is just one ISP !!! it's govermental ... |
| 21:19.17 | delire | jesperj: for instance: 'for i in $(ls .); do src=$i tgt=$(echo $i | sed -e "s/FILE/file/"); mv $src $tgt; done' |
| 21:19.22 | fpiat | moeen: you have 45 to download as much as you can ... until you reach your quota ! |
| 21:19.23 | karsten | moeen: Some regional vendors, nothing quite ME, but Greece & Turkey: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#tr http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#gr |
| 21:19.27 | Lee_1 | after your first reboot, that is. |
| 21:19.34 | karsten | moeen: sux0r5. |
| 21:19.36 | ia3264 | how do you know which apps are eligable for 'prelink'ing? |
| 21:19.45 | karsten | moeen: Shall we ship in a case of regime change? ;-) |
| 21:19.54 | paulswm | Heh |
| 21:20.22 | fpiat | moeen: you have 45 MINUTES to download as much as you can ... until you reach your quota ! |
| 21:20.41 | fpiat | ;) |
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| 21:21.12 | karsten | moeen: There's a AUE Linux User Group, possibly, at: http://www.goldensun.com/linux |
| 21:21.16 | moeen | fpiat, It's a big problem in Dubai ! all the places have Download limit |
| 21:21.49 | streuner | moeen: up to what amount? |
| 21:21.51 | karsten | moeen: They might have local options for obtaining media. |
| 21:21.51 | Lee_1 | the government regulates individual's bandwidth, or ISP's? |
| 21:21.55 | karsten | streuner: 2 GB. |
| 21:22.16 | streuner | per month? |
| 21:22.27 | paulswm | Thanks for reminding me how grateful I should be to live in a free society. |
| 21:22.44 | moeen | karsten, I know them, just have Debian Woody (it's very old) and Fedora and Redhat |
| 21:22.50 | jesperj | delire, will that example script search all files in current directory and replace "FILE" with "file"? If so it would do so recursively if I replace (ls) with (find)? |
| 21:22.53 | karsten | moeen: OK. |
| 21:23.01 | fpiat | moeen: i wish i could send you some bandwidth ;) |
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| 21:23.11 | karsten | fpiat: Ship it to him on CDs. |
| 21:23.28 | paulswm | Yeah, me too, I wish I could transfer some bandwidth |
| 21:23.28 | Lee_1 | me too, that totally sucks. |
| 21:23.28 | karsten | moeen: What's your current level of Linux experience? |
| 21:23.38 | Xenguy | .oO("freedom" is such a relative term) |
| 21:23.45 | karsten | paulswm: Can you burn a set of Sarge disks via jigdo? |
| 21:24.01 | paulswm | karsten: never tried |
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| 21:24.09 | karsten | moeen: I've sort of got a different problem, in that I'm on dialup... |
| 21:24.11 | moeen | karsten, It's good ! Advanced :P |
| 21:24.41 | karsten | moeen: OK. My thoughts ATM are for you to exchange address info here with someone having fat pipes. |
| 21:24.44 | Lee_1 | woah, dialup and bandwidth quotas. Where in the world do these things happen? |
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| 21:24.53 | Lee_1 | seriously |
| 21:24.59 | karsten | moeen: Alternatively, woody ain't *too* rusty, and you can access it. |
| 21:25.11 | karsten | Lee_1: Right here in the USofA for the first. |
| 21:25.19 | delire | jesperj: play around for sure, but be careful ;) copy a dir and test your adaptation. if you're short for time people recommend 'krename', though i've never used it. |
| 21:25.23 | Lee_1 | karsten: what part? |
| 21:25.37 | karsten | Lee_1: Left part. |
| 21:25.41 | jesperj | delire, I just checked it out. at first looks it looks like it only renames files |
| 21:25.45 | ia3264 | what command lists which partitions i have? |
| 21:25.54 | Lee_1 | ia3264: df -h |
| 21:25.55 | karsten | ia3264: fdisk. cat /proc/partitions |
| 21:26.00 | jesperj | delire, I found out how to launch kfilereplace now though |
| 21:26.04 | streuner | ia3264: fdisk -l |
| 21:26.06 | jesperj | it needs to be launched from quanta |
| 21:26.08 | jesperj | which is stupid |
| 21:26.08 | ia3264 | i thought it was df -h too but it didnt show things like swap |
| 21:26.10 | moeen | karsten, as you know, it's not suitable for Desktop purposes |
| 21:26.14 | delire | jesperj: ok, with find and rename you can work recursively, yes. also play around with copying the results to a new directory as opposed to renaming the originals. |
| 21:26.22 | karsten | moeen: It's apt-get dist-upgradable. |
| 21:26.22 | ia3264 | unless swap is /dev/shm? |
| 21:26.25 | froze_ | How do I modify the default xterm color map? I have tried a *color4: SteelBlue1 in .XDefaults but xterm still looks like blue2 |
| 21:26.44 | Lee_1 | ia3264: free -m to see swap |
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| 21:26.58 | paulswm | I don't have bandwidth quota on roadrunner, hoever, I believe that Earthlink for one establishes a 2GB monthly quota for usenet downloads, then throttles your download speed |
| 21:27.03 | karsten | moeen: My suggestions are 1). Find a vendor 2). Go Ubunto 3). Get someone on channel to ship you disks 4). Do a netinst and upgrade slowly. |
| 21:27.06 | jesperj | thank you delire |
| 21:27.09 | karsten | paulswm: Aye WRT Usenet. |
| 21:27.12 | Xenguy | jesperj: I'm still not sure what you actually need to do |
| 21:27.20 | delire | jesperj: anytime ;) |
| 21:27.20 | streuner | MoonMind: just don't use a DE (GNOME or KDE) use an lightweight WM then |
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| 21:27.48 | karsten | moeen: Your base system isn't going to blow too far over 2 GB. |
| 21:27.50 | docgnome | Is there a prog similar to net stumbler for deb? |
| 21:27.51 | moeen | karsten, about the vendor, it's hard to find |
| 21:27.54 | Kizmet | Does anyone know when a php5 package is going to be released o_O |
| 21:28.03 | delire | docgnome: hehe i'm writing one now ;) |
| 21:28.06 | karsten | moeen: You'll have to go out-of-country. But that's really your problem. |
| 21:28.15 | jesperj | Xenguy, First I just wanted to launch kfilereplace. It wasn't that easy. It turned out it needs to be started from within quanta. |
| 21:28.19 | karsten | Kizmet: The PHP people may have an idea. |
| 21:28.35 | jesperj | which seems incredibly stupid to me |
| 21:28.35 | docgnome | delire: well get to work! :-P |
| 21:28.37 | delire | docgnome: in python.. it's proving to be a bit trickier than i first anticipated, but certainly doable. |
| 21:28.40 | Kizmet | well its a debian package so i thought i'd ask here first ;) |
| 21:28.46 | delire | docgnome: coming coming ;) |
| 21:28.58 | karsten | Kizmet: Debian packages SW after it's available upstream. |
| 21:28.58 | streuner | Kizmet: php5 isn't in debian yet |
| 21:28.59 | moeen | karsten, I think it's funny that there is just about 20 Linux user in Emirates ! |
| 21:29.11 | Xenguy | jesperj: if yer problem is solved, great; but saying you want to "launch kfilereplace" begs the question, "What job is it you need to do?" :-) |
| 21:29.17 | moeen | karsten, but It's real ! |
| 21:29.17 | karsten | moeen: For myself I think that's sad. |
| 21:29.43 | paulswm | moeen: Maybe an opportunity for you to become a Linux expert and start a support business for when it catches on over there :) |
| 21:29.49 | delire | Xenguy: aww comeon ;) it was a clear question. |
| 21:30.06 | karsten | moeen: Option #5: wardrive and hug wget ;-) |
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| 21:30.25 | Xenguy | delire: there may be other tools that can solve the problem -- that's why it's best to always get the root problem first :-) |
| 21:30.42 | Kizmet | streuner, why not :'( its out in stable ( i think ) |
| 21:30.47 | karsten | moeen: Why can't you buy from an int'l vendor? |
| 21:30.52 | fpiat | karsten: i like #5 |
| 21:30.54 | moeen | There isn't anyone near the Country of UAE ? |
| 21:31.02 | paulswm | Not even in Israel? |
| 21:31.11 | karsten | moeen: Read TFL FFS. |
| 21:31.16 | streuner | Kizmet: apt-cache search php5 |
| 21:31.21 | karsten | paulswm: Not listed on Debian's vendors page. |
| 21:31.30 | jesperj | Xenguy, I'm sorry if I was being difuse. I am not that good with sed and find and all that and I just wanted a simple way of searching a directory recursively for files containing a string and replace that string with another string |
| 21:31.36 | paulswm | karsten: I'm surprised, I must say |
| 21:31.39 | Kizmet | streuner, you it doesnt find anything. |
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| 21:31.56 | Kizmet | i have, stable, testing, unstable in my sources file. |
| 21:31.57 | karsten | paulswm: Debian's commercially-oriented pages aren't terribly up-to-date. |
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| 21:32.12 | karsten | paulswm: There's also limited Ar-Il commerce in the ME> |
| 21:32.19 | stew | Kizmet: what? you should not mix stable with testing/unstable |
| 21:32.22 | karsten | paulswm: No direct phones in a lot of places, for a long time. |
| 21:32.33 | stew | Kizmet: and how could php5 be in stable? stable was released 3 years ago |
| 21:32.56 | streuner | stew: php5 wasn't out 3 years ago |
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| 21:32.57 | moeen | karsten, It's interesting to know, Voip is not allowed in UAE :)) |
| 21:32.59 | fpiat | sarge is ... 14 CD ! |
| 21:33.01 | paulswm | karsten: freedom is a wonderful thing, unless of course I want to tka e money to Cuba :) |
| 21:33.24 | YaleR | tried installing debian sarge on a laptop, no keyboard module worked hahaha |
| 21:33.49 | paulswm | moeen: I'm sorry to hear that, hopefully things will change for you |
| 21:34.02 | stew | streuner: yeah, that was my point |
| 21:34.03 | karsten | paulswm: Not having a gov't run by a bunch of religious loons has its benefits too. |
| 21:34.03 | Kizmet | stew. i have my default to be testing. but some packages will only work in there stable release so i use it instead. unstable is only there for minor things. |
| 21:34.13 | karsten | paulswm: ...I'm looking forward to a time when I can enjoy that again. |
| 21:34.16 | ia3264 | dumb question but why is ipchains in /sbin if iptables is in there? backward compatibility? |
| 21:34.16 | moeen | paulswm, I hope so, but the situation will not change at least to next 2 years :(( |
| 21:34.21 | streuner | stew: oh sorry, that was for Kizmet :-) |
| 21:34.21 | Xenguy | jesperj: please, don't be sorry. I was just curious as to what you were really trying to do. FWIW, to do it with find/sed, you'd do something like this -> find . -iname "*html" -exec sed -e 's/foo/bar/g' {} \; <-- recursively replaces string 'foo' with 'bar' in all 'html' files |
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| 21:34.34 | stew | Kizmet: what version does dpkg -l libc6 report? |
| 21:34.59 | karsten | moeen: Linux in Israel (purchasing): http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/19.html |
| 21:35.06 | paulswm | HAH |
| 21:35.07 | Kizmet | stew, 2.3.2.ds1-21 |
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| 21:35.13 | streuner | If he is that clueless, i would guess unstable |
| 21:35.20 | streuner | :-) |
| 21:35.25 | stew | Kizmet: then you are running testing and you can ditch the stable sources from your sources.list |
| 21:35.33 | stew | Kizmet: testing/unstable rather |
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| 21:35.42 | gu- | i know this is kinda off topic, but somebody knows a good site or ftp with UML books? tks |
| 21:35.47 | Kizmet | stew, i have stable there for a reason. |
| 21:35.50 | karsten | moeen: What countries can you get to readily? |
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| 21:35.55 | ia3264 | hey last night some guy said to check libc6 i had to apt-cache show `dpkg -S /lib/libc.so.6 | awk '{print $1}' | sed -e 's/\://g'` | grep Version |
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| 21:35.57 | stew | Kizmet: your reason is not well founded |
| 21:35.58 | ia3264 | guess he was kidding :P |
| 21:36.04 | moeen | karsten, most of the the Arabic countries have problem with Israel !!! the packages from there not allowd to enter ... |
| 21:36.20 | karsten | moeen: That's what I thought. |
| 21:36.22 | delire | ia3264: hmmmm |
| 21:36.32 | Kizmet | stew, there is one package that is ONLY in stable. and i need touse that package. lol. i cant even remember what it is anymore :S but i know its only in stable. |
| 21:36.43 | karsten | moeen: Turkey's closest arab-friendly nation I can find. Nothing listed in Egypt, though I'd expect some... |
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| 21:36.48 | Kizmet | it was realeased a good 4 years ago. |
| 21:36.48 | stew | uh huh |
| 21:37.12 | moeen | karsten, http://www.iglu.org.il/faq/cache/19.html Site blocked by UAE Internet Service !!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:37.20 | Kizmet | stew, thus why stable being in my sources. |
| 21:37.26 | fpiat | moeen: do you have a dvd on your computer... (i can send 3dvd... 14cds is another story!) |
| 21:37.30 | karsten | @comfort moeen |
| 21:37.32 | ravenbird | There, there, moeen. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 21:38.01 | jesperj | Thank you very much for the top Xenguy. I will save that in a file and experiment with it :) |
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| 21:38.04 | moeen | fpiat, tes, I have |
| 21:38.05 | karsten | moeen: One sec. I'll tar it for you. |
| 21:38.12 | jesperj | top=tip |
| 21:38.21 | Madkiss | hi all. I am trying t oconfigure a bluetooth-keyboard on my debian System. I do "hidd --connect <addr>", then I enter a pin on the keyboard, and what I get is: |
| 21:38.22 | jesperj | s/top/tip ;) |
| 21:38.27 | Madkiss | Apr 30 23:35:47 minerva hcid[10450]: PIN helper exited abnormally with code 256 |
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| 21:38.59 | sudo|chmod | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:39.02 | delire | moeen: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:39.03 | sudo|chmod | how do I do this? |
| 21:39.09 | karsten | moeen: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/19.tar.gz |
| 21:39.13 | fpiat | moeen: i think you've got your solution... let me the time to DL it, and i'll send it to U. |
| 21:39.25 | Xenguy | jesperj: have fun :-) |
| 21:39.29 | karsten | moeen: Sec. |
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| 21:39.35 | karsten | moeen: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Download/19.html.tar.gz |
| 21:39.35 | moeen | karsten, The requested URL /~karsten/Download/19.tar.gz was not found on this server. |
| 21:39.41 | karsten | moeen: Now. |
| 21:39.48 | karsten | moeen: Dialup, remember ;-) |
| 21:39.50 | Madkiss | sudo|chmod: This is an up to date sid |
| 21:40.08 | moeen | karsten, ok ;) I got it |
| 21:40.18 | jetters | line drawing characters are not working on xterm. they're instead replaced by ordinary letters a-z. but things are fine on gnome terminal. |
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| 21:40.37 | jetters | i think xterm is not recognizing the \033(0 escape sequence |
| 21:40.39 | sudo|chmod | Madkiss: not sure I understand what you're saying ... sid as in still in development |
| 21:40.45 | karsten | moeen: http://www.google.com/search?q=buy+linux+cds+%22egypt%22 |
| 21:40.58 | Madkiss | sudo|chmod: yes. |
| 21:41.04 | jetters | nono, i *know* that xterm is not recognizing the \033(0 escape sequence |
| 21:41.12 | delire | jetters : you'd be write. bloody annoying.. can't remember how i fixed that. i believe it was the font albeit. |
| 21:41.19 | delire | s/write/right |
| 21:41.50 | delire | jetters: can you 'pstree' and then 'pstree -A' ? |
| 21:41.50 | karsten | moeen: Woody, but: http://www.powerpassion.net/?comp/burner/ |
| 21:41.52 | moeen | fpiat, if you can send it for me, it's great ! may be a dream ! |
| 21:41.53 | jetters | delire: which font did you use? xfd shows that 'fixed' (used by xterm) has all the line drawing chars |
| 21:41.54 | sudo|chmod | Madkiss: I'm running sarge and I want to install ALSA and it asked me that ... but I'm not sure how to tell if I do have discover1 1.7.2 or higher |
| 21:42.09 | Madkiss | sudo|chmod: dpkg --list | grep disc |
| 21:42.14 | jetters | delire: i'll try |
| 21:42.27 | karsten | moeen: http://www.linux-me.org/ http://www.linux-egypt.org/ |
| 21:42.53 | moeen | karsten, Woody will not help me ! (as I said) |
| 21:42.56 | jetters | delire: pstree -A uses normal chars (| and -) not line drawing ones :/ |
| 21:42.58 | sudo|chmod | Madkiss: thanks ... I have 1.6.6 |
| 21:43.10 | karsten | moeen: It's an option. Keep 'em open. |
| 21:43.17 | delire | jetters: odd |
| 21:43.22 | jetters | delire: ah, pstree seems to work fine |
| 21:43.33 | jetters | delire: the line drawing chars are fine |
| 21:43.37 | Xenguy | jesperj: actually, this will work better (makes backup files also) -> find . -iname "*html" -exec sed -i.bak -e 's/foo/bar/g' {} \; |
| 21:43.45 | jetters | delire: but not ncurses based application |
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| 21:44.03 | moeen | karsten, of course ! |
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| 21:44.29 | jesperj | Xenguy, thanks :) |
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| 21:44.55 | jetters | stuff like dselect and links show series of normal letters like qqqqq instead of lines and boxes |
| 21:45.07 | jetters | even on the terminal |
| 21:45.08 | delire | jetters : yep curses will be different.. try this 'xterm -fn -misc-fixed-medium-r-normal--15-*-75-*-c-*-*-*' |
| 21:45.13 | jetters | but not on gnome-terminal |
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| 21:45.40 | delire | jetters: it's your font. |
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| 21:46.03 | karsten | moeen: Suggest you check out http://www.linux-egypt.org/ 2,940 members, current content. Looks like your best bet. |
| 21:46.07 | jetters | delire: that didn't work either |
| 21:46.18 | delire | jetters: hmm.. 'aterm' ? |
| 21:46.28 | delire | jetters: rxvt all the way ;) |
| 21:46.33 | jetters | heh |
| 21:47.05 | jetters | delire: last time i tried rxvt, man pages were all fucked up... i'll need to fiddle around to fix that :/ |
| 21:47.16 | jetters | not just man pages |
| 21:47.23 | jetters | bold and underlined chars |
| 21:47.51 | moeen | karsten, I am surfing, may it helps. |
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| 21:48.08 | delire | jetters: i'll msg you my ~/.Xdefaults |
| 21:48.22 | lef|afk | dam! |
| 21:48.22 | Xenguy | AFAIK aterm and rxvt are both lean |
| 21:48.28 | lef|afk | is there an unrar utility? |
| 21:48.29 | jetters | delire: ok |
| 21:48.39 | lef|afk | some idiot send me a very important file as a rar |
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| 21:49.09 | streuner | lef|afk: tell him he should use gz instead |
| 21:49.13 | moeen | karsten, it seems fpiat can help me ! I really must thanks from him |
| 21:49.21 | lef|afk | I know I know...but this is an 187mb file |
| 21:49.23 | karsten | moeen: Sweet |
| 21:49.31 | delire | Xenguy: think MAME |
| 21:49.32 | delire | ;) |
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| 21:49.57 | karsten | delire: Wouldn't that be "Wham, bam, thank you MAME"? |
| 21:49.58 | lef | so I guess there's no un-rar software uh? |
| 21:50.07 | karsten | lef: There is. |
| 21:50.08 | Mulder_ | what's that debian script that adds/removes rc scripts from a particular runlevel? i would just delete the symlink but i remember from someone that i'm supposed to use some official script |
| 21:50.13 | delire | karsten: that's coinable .. |
| 21:50.24 | lef | karsten, free or non-free? |
| 21:50.28 | delire | anyway.. time for $activity |
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| 21:50.31 | karsten | !tell lef about search |
| 21:50.34 | jesperj | Xenguy, what if I need to handle strings that has characthers like / and : in them? |
| 21:50.37 | nichos | what is the preferred debian imap server? |
| 21:50.45 | paulswm | Mulder_: update-rc.d |
| 21:50.47 | lef | karsten, lol |
| 21:50.57 | karsten | lef: There's a package.... |
| 21:51.10 | streuner | lef: rar 3.0 is in non-free |
| 21:51.10 | lef | karim, ok I 'll search for it |
| 21:51.13 | Mulder_ | paulswm cheers |
| 21:51.20 | paulswm | Mulder_: yw |
| 21:51.21 | karsten | lef: unrar |
| 21:51.22 | lef | I do not install non-free |
| 21:51.29 | lef | that's why I asked |
| 21:51.30 | streuner | lef: free version supports 2.0 |
| 21:51.37 | karsten | lef: There are free and non-free. |
| 21:51.45 | lef | I will try with the free |
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| 21:51.57 | karsten | lef: unrar & unrar-nonfree |
| 21:52.05 | luulis_ | lef: every single rar file i've ever encountered doesnt work with the free version :( |
| 21:52.08 | Xenguy | jesperj: you need to 'escape' characters like '/' with a backslash (aka the 'escape' character) |
| 21:52.10 | lef | :( |
| 21:52.29 | lef | I will delete it if it doesn't. Rars piss me off |
| 21:52.29 | karsten | luulis_: This is a *feature* ;-) |
| 21:52.31 | Xenguy | jesperj: so use '\/' for '/' |
| 21:52.49 | streuner | lef: try 'file' |
| 21:53.15 | karsten | Xenguy: ... or use a different delimiter: s,pattern/with/strokes,new/pattern, |
| 21:53.20 | lef | streuner, what do you mean by 'try "file"'? |
| 21:53.28 | Xenguy | jesperj: not sure about ':' -- a simple test will tell |
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| 21:53.34 | streuner | lef: file foo.rar |
| 21:53.38 | karsten | lef: 'file' tells you filetype. |
| 21:53.42 | lef | oh |
| 21:53.44 | lef | lol |
| 21:53.46 | lef | yes ok |
| 21:53.49 | Xenguy | karsten: yes, but better that a 'sed' newbie is aware of these issues first :-) |
| 21:53.56 | lef | thank you guys |
| 21:54.04 | karsten | Xenguy: Right. Depends on how much you like quoting stuff. |
| 21:54.22 | jesperj | Xenguy, I thought so... So if I would include this in a script and I wanted to give the command you gave me an arbitrary string that might contain such characters I would have to make a function that will look in the string and then put / in before the charachters |
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| 21:55.47 | karsten | Xenguy: ...also, it's why I'm telling you, not jesperj -- keep confusion down. |
| 21:56.02 | Xenguy | jesperj: if you have certain special characters, then you need to use a 'backslash' character when working with 'sed' (not a frontslash ;-) |
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| 21:56.06 | davi | Is this packaged for debian? Mogwai ER-Designer http://mogwai.sourceforge.net/license.html |
| 21:56.15 | karsten | !tell davi about search |
| 21:56.25 | karsten | !tell davi about p.d.o. |
| 21:56.42 | Xenguy | jesperj: or use karsten's suggestion of using a different 'delimiter' (but that is more advanced usage) |
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| 21:56.51 | jetters | delire_away: well, rxvt seems to be fine now, i'll use it. ty. |
| 21:57.16 | Xenguy | jesperj: anyway, sed is fun and useful, but takes a bit of experimentation to get right |
| 21:57.28 | Xenguy | biab |
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| 21:58.32 | jesperj | Thank you both |
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| 21:58.51 | jesperj | I'm not going to bug you anymore about this. I have got plenty of help from you allready |
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| 21:59.55 | denon | does anyone know why the debian installer(rc2) would get 100% through creating a filesystem on my raid0, then throw "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 failed"? |
| 22:00.09 | denon | does the same thing if I try doing an LVM |
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| 22:00.21 | setog3 | salut |
| 22:00.29 | setog3 | hello |
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| 22:01.59 | Dabian | !ping |
| 22:01.59 | dpkg | pong |
| 22:02.20 | Dabian | Whats the nvidea oneliner? |
| 22:02.22 | darphoenix939 | when i when i downloaded the kernel-patch with synaptic did it patch the kernel source ? |
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| 22:02.47 | xeroig | looks like it wasn't solved after all |
| 22:03.05 | xeroig | what should i do if xterm isn't displaying line drawing chars properly? |
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| 22:03.28 | xeroig | only with ncurses |
| 22:03.32 | xeroig | based apps |
| 22:03.38 | bbrazil | xeroig: you tried crtl-right-click and line drawing chars? |
| 22:03.45 | xeroig | yeah |
| 22:03.55 | bbrazil | and middle click cures emulation? |
| 22:04.15 | xeroig | oh |
| 22:04.19 | xeroig | i'll try now |
| 22:04.41 | darphoenix939 | do anyone know? |
| 22:05.03 | Dabian | darphoenix939: Possibly. |
| 22:05.15 | streuner | darphonix939: uname -a |
| 22:05.21 | darphoenix939 | k |
| 22:05.26 | xeroig | bbrazil: it didn't work |
| 22:05.30 | xeroig | i'm sarge |
| 22:05.35 | xeroig | i'm on sarge |
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| 22:05.51 | Dabian | xeroig: Me2. |
| 22:05.59 | streuner | darphonix939: What kernel do you have installed? |
| 22:06.06 | Dabian | xeroig: I'm the guy at the bar with the pimples.. |
| 22:06.15 | xeroig | heh |
| 22:06.23 | darphoenix939 | uname -a shows the current running kernel i have not compiled a new kernel yet |
| 22:06.31 | Dabian | darphoenix939: Doh! |
| 22:06.41 | streuner | darphonix939: yeah, tell us the output |
| 22:06.44 | xeroig | Dabian: does xterm + ncurses display line drawing chars properly on your machine? |
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| 22:06.52 | darphoenix939 | Linux darkphoenix.is-a-geek.com 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 22:07.01 | Dabian | xeroig: I doubt it. |
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| 22:07.09 | timo | w |
| 22:07.19 | streuner | darphonix939: you can't just patch the existing kernel |
| 22:07.20 | Dabian | xeroig: Do I have to write a program to test it, or is there a binary? |
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| 22:07.33 | darphoenix939 | i know im trying to patch the kernel source |
| 22:07.35 | ulix-nxvl | hi |
| 22:07.37 | streuner | darphonix939: in order to patch one you need to compile you custom kernel |
| 22:07.43 | ulix-nxvl | im installing squid on debian sarge |
| 22:07.45 | xeroig | Dabian: try something like links (with vt100 line drawing chars) or dselect |
| 22:07.52 | ulix-nxvl | but im having problems with it |
| 22:08.05 | ulix-nxvl | the apt-get can not install it |
| 22:08.09 | streuner | darphonix939: get the vanilla source at kernel.org |
| 22:08.16 | xeroig | with links it's in the setup->terminal options menu |
| 22:08.18 | streuner | darphonix939: /msg dpkg kp |
| 22:08.28 | streuner | darphonix939: and read the URL mentioned there |
| 22:08.41 | darphoenix939 | ok |
| 22:08.52 | xeroig | Dabian: in dselect, in the package list, do you see lines or just qqqqq near the package section headers |
| 22:08.55 | xeroig | ? |
| 22:09.13 | Dabian | xeroig: wow .. its been a while since I used that .. |
| 22:09.18 | Dabian | xeroig: lemme check |
| 22:09.22 | xeroig | ok |
| 22:09.43 | paulswm | ulix-nxvl: Please be more specific, 'apt-get install squid' should work fine. |
| 22:09.44 | Dabian | xeroig: I see lines. |
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| 22:10.19 | ulix-nxvl | paulswm: thats what i have done, but it returns me an error |
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| 22:12.17 | FieldySnuts | ROOOOOOT has landed! |
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| 22:12.39 | paulswm | I was waiting for apt to say that ROOOOT thing |
| 22:12.44 | FieldySnuts | me too |
| 22:12.53 | paulswm | apt:test |
| 22:12.54 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 22:13.16 | FieldySnuts | !fix apt |
| 22:13.27 | paulswm | Heh |
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| 22:13.41 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 22:13.41 | dpkg | paulswm: :) |
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| 22:16.05 | mau | hi all |
| 22:16.14 | Kizmet | apt:test |
| 22:16.15 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
| 22:16.31 | mau | how must i configure a wireless pci card??? |
| 22:16.41 | Kizmet | iwconfig |
| 22:16.48 | mau | my friend has 2 eth card eth1 with web in dhcp |
| 22:16.50 | Kizmet | have you installed toe right module for it ? |
| 22:16.56 | mau | and another going to an xbox |
| 22:16.59 | Kizmet | toe = The |
| 22:17.06 | mau | i builded the module for it yes |
| 22:17.09 | Kizmet | ok |
| 22:17.11 | mau | moprobe is right |
| 22:17.15 | mau | ifconfig ra0 up |
| 22:17.16 | Kizmet | have yo loaded the module ? |
| 22:17.17 | mau | right |
| 22:17.24 | mau | now i d know how to configure all that |
| 22:17.31 | Kizmet | ok |
| 22:17.47 | mau | eth1--> is dhcp |
| 22:17.48 | Kizmet | i cant help really im pretty newb at wireless. i have only got my laptop working on one AP |
| 22:17.56 | xeroig | Dabian: did you try? |
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| 22:18.10 | mau | me too with wireless i m nooob lol |
| 22:18.15 | loft306 | what is the multiuser runlevel in deb? |
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| 22:18.35 | streuner | loft306: any other than 1 |
| 22:18.37 | Dabian | xeroig: I answered already. |
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| 22:18.45 | xeroig | oh |
| 22:18.51 | xeroig | damn |
| 22:18.59 | Dabian | xeroig: I see lines. |
| 22:19.05 | xeroig | yeah |
| 22:19.11 | streuner | loft306: man init |
| 22:19.12 | Dabian | icy lines |
| 22:19.14 | loft306 | streuner: what is the runlevey without X |
| 22:19.23 | xeroig | Dabian: did you configure xterm's resources? |
| 22:19.33 | Dabian | xeroig: Who would I know? |
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| 22:19.43 | streuner | loft306: runlevel without X? |
| 22:19.51 | xeroig | Dabian: did you modify .Xresources? |
| 22:19.51 | loft306 | im not on deb...mine is init 3 but it is not working for this guy |
| 22:19.52 | mono | hi, is there an easy way to add /dev/hdaX everytime i boot my sys (basically mount it on boot) so that will be included as additional partition? thanks |
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| 22:20.15 | nichos | from my reading, exim is suppose to create the maildir dir right? |
| 22:20.19 | streuner | loft306: what distro does he run actually? |
| 22:20.21 | nichos | hi all, im trying to get exim to work with imap, i have the following: directory=${home}/Maildir in my config file, but it keeps going to /var/mail/$user |
| 22:20.36 | loft306 | streuner: to drop into console without x ....he is in debian |
| 22:20.42 | cthulfuego | loft306: The runlevel without X is the one where you tell {x,g,k}dm to not start |
| 22:20.51 | denon | anyone know if an nfs mount (or any type of network mount) can look almost exactly like a native 'nix filesystem? |
| 22:20.52 | streuner | loft306: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 22:20.54 | denon | with regards to links/etc |
| 22:20.56 | mono | anyone ? |
| 22:21.08 | Dabian | I get a strange error when trying to "sudo modprobe nvidia": WARNING: Failed to open config file /etc/modprobe.d/alsa: No such file or directory |
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| 22:21.13 | paulswm | mono:edit /etc/fstab |
| 22:21.17 | cthulfuego | denon: they alrteady do. |
| 22:21.26 | war- | Anyone here use postfix? |
| 22:21.27 | xeroig | Dabian: did you edit ~/.Xresources? |
| 22:21.31 | Dabian | How am I supposed to deal with that? |
| 22:21.43 | Dabian | xeroig: If I did, its long ago. |
| 22:21.45 | denon | cthulfuego: even if the files actually reside on ntfs under a windows box? |
| 22:21.49 | xeroig | damn |
| 22:21.50 | Dabian | xeroig: Most likely years ago. |
| 22:22.00 | nichos | ~apt tell nichos about imap |
| 22:22.04 | cthulfuego | denon: samba wouldn't, just coz the FS it emulates (windoze) is limited in capability. |
| 22:22.10 | xeroig | Dabian: you're on sarge, no? |
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| 22:22.13 | streuner | war-: #postfix |
| 22:22.14 | denon | cthulfuego: but nfs would? |
| 22:22.18 | mono | paulswm, thanks, is there a way to format that partition and change the filesystem type ? (it is now fat32) |
| 22:22.21 | cthulfuego | denon: No, it can never emulate features that the base FS doesn't have. |
| 22:22.32 | Dabian | xeroig: I should think so, yeah.. Upgraded today. |
| 22:22.34 | denon | cthulfuego: well, ntfs does actually have links now .. but .. |
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| 22:22.43 | paulswm | mono: depends on what filesystem you want, man mkfs |
| 22:22.47 | cthulfuego | denon: Ie: ext2/ext3 via nfs would have the same features as local ext2/3 |
| 22:22.49 | Dabian | xeroig: Well .. apt-get update/upgrade thingy .. no dist. |
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| 22:23.12 | cthulfuego | denon: But fat32/iso9660/ntfs would be limite dto their original feature set. |
| 22:23.15 | Dabian | xeroig: Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 |
| 22:23.20 | denon | cthulfuego: Im trying to get LVM or raid to bundle a couple drives into one, but the installer keeps throwing an error .. my other idea was to just have the files reside on the host OS and share it from there |
| 22:23.20 | xeroig | ah |
| 22:23.25 | xeroig | woody |
| 22:23.36 | Dabian | woody is 3.0 |
| 22:23.51 | mono | paulswm, just ext3 linux |
| 22:23.55 | xeroig | hmm |
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| 22:24.03 | cthulfuego | denon: I've only ever done that with entire disks... |
| 22:24.07 | paulswm | 3.1 is SARGE, not woody |
| 22:24.14 | denon | cthulfuego: these are entire disks .. |
| 22:24.16 | xeroig | oh |
| 22:24.28 | denon | cthulfuego: it's throwing a "The ext3 file system creation in partition #1 of raid0 device #0 failed" |
| 22:24.31 | paulswm | mono: man mke2fs |
| 22:24.53 | denon | cthulfuego: but I'm running backuppc on it, and I know it makes extensive use of fs links/etc for the pooling |
| 22:25.04 | cthulfuego | denon: Check the logs on tty3 and 4 (alt-F3 / alt-F4) |
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| 22:25.18 | rectum | i don't smoke |
| 22:25.28 | streuner | good |
| 22:25.30 | cthulfuego | rectum: You're never tool old to start |
| 22:25.34 | rectum | oh wrong chcnnal |
| 22:25.34 | sudo|chmod | #flood which locale should I use |
| 22:25.35 | rectum | channel* |
| 22:25.44 | paulswm | !win cthulfuego |
| 22:25.45 | dpkg | Congratulations, cthulfuego! You have won a one way ticket to Charlotte, North Carolina ... YeeHaw!! |
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| 22:25.48 | rafx | before i start burning sarge rc3 isos for a bunch of people...does anyone know roughly when sarge rc4 might be out? (yea, yea, probably 1 minute after i burn a bunch of rc3 to cdr) |
| 22:25.54 | rectum | no dude, smoking is bad for you |
| 22:26.01 | nichos | can anyone point me to documentation for exim and imap?> |
| 22:26.07 | cthulfuego | rectum: seriously? |
| 22:26.11 | Dabian | nichos: Yeah |
| 22:26.13 | denon | cthulfuego: hmm tunfs: no such file or directory while trying to open /dev/md/0p1 couldn't find valid filesystem superblock |
| 22:26.14 | rectum | google exim documentation |
| 22:26.18 | paulswm | smoking isn't as bad for you as actually bursting into flames |
| 22:26.18 | valdyn | nichos: what has exim to do w/ imap? |
| 22:26.25 | xeroig | Dabian: any ideas what i should do? |
| 22:26.27 | rectum | i use nullmailer |
| 22:26.27 | Dabian | nichos: /usr/share/doc/[package] is usually worth a try. |
| 22:26.29 | streuner | haha |
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| 22:26.48 | denon | cthulfuego: rc2 installer bug? |
| 22:26.53 | cthulfuego | denon: That's peculiar, I don't even _have_ a /dev/md/* |
| 22:26.55 | Dabian | xeroig: Well .. maybe you're using an UTF8 xterm? |
| 22:27.03 | nichos | valdyn i have directory=${home}/Maildir in my exim conf, but its still going to /var/mail/me |
| 22:27.10 | streuner | rectum: nice nick. |
| 22:27.12 | PerfDave | rafx: It's thought that rc3 is likely to be the last installer version before release. |
| 22:27.22 | rectum | streuner: thank you, most people down me for it |
| 22:27.32 | paulswm | !nickometer rectum |
| 22:27.33 | dpkg | 'rectum' is 0.000% lame, paulswm |
| 22:27.40 | xeroig | Dabian: yeah, ctrl + right click display utf-8 enabled and greyed out |
| 22:27.42 | Dabian | rectum: Don't fart now .. |
| 22:27.43 | xeroig | i cant disable it |
| 22:27.43 | rectum | what does dpkg know |
| 22:27.45 | rectum | :/ |
| 22:27.46 | paulswm | rectum: see, even the bot thinks it's OK |
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| 22:27.55 | rectum | its just a bot |
| 22:27.56 | streuner | rectum: it seems not only abrotman ;-) |
| 22:27.56 | rectum | ;) |
| 22:28.00 | Dabian | xeroig: YOu need another binary |
| 22:28.10 | rectum | hehe |
| 22:28.15 | sudo|chmod | when installing java-package I ran into the screen I posted in #flood ... which locale should I use |
| 22:28.19 | rectum | im gonna go check on my food on the stove, take care |
| 22:28.21 | valdyn | nichos: so you want exim to deliver to your maildir ( whatever that may have to do w/ imap.. ) |
| 22:28.24 | ia3264 | can i make ctrl+tab iterate trhough consoles in screen like (ctrl+a+space) does? |
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| 22:28.33 | denon | cthulfuego: I'm assuming all I need to do is set each partition as being "for raid" right? |
| 22:28.41 | nichos | valdyn yes, i want exim to do that |
| 22:28.47 | denon | then create a raid0 and pick em all, toss the new fs on that |
| 22:28.49 | mono | paulswm, can i msg you? |
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| 22:28.56 | denon | installer seems to do it all .. but then it breaks. :( |
| 22:28.58 | paulswm | mono: please don't |
| 22:29.04 | xeroig | Dabian: i'll try disabling it through the resources |
| 22:29.08 | xeroig | might it work? |
| 22:29.33 | paulswm | mono: you use mke2fs to make an ext2 or ext3 filesystem, if you have any questions ask generally in here |
| 22:29.42 | Dabian | xeroig: Debian has two kind of xterms .. one with utf8 and one without. |
| 22:30.06 | valdyn | nichos: exim version 3 or exim4 ? |
| 22:30.11 | cthulfuego | denon: Yep, that's what I did; then I just made md devices via the installer. |
| 22:30.22 | mono | paulswm, i tried to do so - i got the following error |
| 22:30.23 | nichos | valdyn 3.36 |
| 22:30.35 | rectum | i got wings a cookin, thinking about what kinda sauce to make |
| 22:30.38 | mono | paulswm, Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock |
| 22:30.45 | valdyn | nichos: i never used it, so uh, i can only tell how to do this in exim4 |
| 22:30.46 | rectum | honey bbq, bbq regular, or louisiana spicy hot |
| 22:30.56 | paulswm | mono: what was the exact commend you typed |
| 22:31.16 | rectum | !bbq |
| 22:31.17 | dpkg | i heard bbq is http://ghg.ecn.purdue.edu/~ghg/grill1.mpeg |
| 22:31.21 | rectum | hmm |
| 22:31.27 | denon | cthulfuego: rats, this installer makes it so easy .. but it just doesn't work. :\ |
| 22:31.33 | Dabian | rectum: Your nick is terrible. |
| 22:31.40 | rectum | why thank you |
| 22:31.43 | streuner | haha |
| 22:31.45 | cthulfuego | denon: Are the partitions the exact same size? |
| 22:31.58 | rectum | Dabian: what sort of hot wings do you like to eat? |
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| 22:31.59 | Dabian | rectum: Sorry, its fun at first .. but .. |
| 22:32.00 | rectum | if you do? |
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| 22:32.04 | xeroig | Dabian: where can i get a non-utf8 xterm? |
| 22:32.06 | rixth | A game I'm trying to run requires libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 but I can't figure out what package provides it |
| 22:32.08 | denon | cthulfuego: no .. do they need to be? I figured it wouldnt matter in LVM .. I can see why it'd bail on raid0 I guess |
| 22:32.11 | Dabian | rectum: I usually don't. |
| 22:32.19 | cthulfuego | !redhat crap |
| 22:32.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, redhat crap is 'apt-get install libstdc++2.9-glibc2.1' if you get 'libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file' (get it from woody if you use sarge or sid) |
| 22:32.25 | Dabian | xeroig: install it. |
| 22:32.50 | cthulfuego | denon: no, for LVM they don't need to me. |
| 22:32.55 | Dabian | cthulfuego: Have you changed your nick at a point? |
| 22:32.57 | rixth | Thanks! |
| 22:33.05 | cthulfuego | Dabian: No, I have always been evil. |
| 22:33.06 | xeroig | Dabian: how? i have all the 15 cds and the only xterm they had was the utf8 one |
| 22:33.06 | rectum | im going with a mixture of louisana hot and honey bbq with garlic |
| 22:33.12 | xeroig | Dabian: no wait |
| 22:33.16 | xeroig | Dabian: ok |
| 22:33.24 | Dabian | xeroig: You found it? |
| 22:33.35 | denon | cthulfuego: both raid and lvm seem to do the same |
| 22:33.36 | xeroig | Dabian: i'll look it up on the package site |
| 22:33.44 | paulswm | rectum: in about four hours, you might want to change your nick to 'burningrectum' |
| 22:33.48 | cthulfuego | denon: both error? |
| 22:33.49 | rectum | lol |
| 22:33.50 | Dabian | cafuego: ? |
| 22:33.56 | rectum | thas a good one |
| 22:34.11 | rectum | but usually my rectum doesn't burn, I eat carrots and a lot of ranch and apple juice with my wings |
| 22:34.15 | denon | cthulfuego: I didnt look at the console error on lvm .. just the one it gave me in the installer |
| 22:34.16 | rectum | and usually they aren't that hot |
| 22:34.17 | nichos | valdyn i can telnet to my imap server, but when i send email it goes to /var/mail/$user, what were you doing with exim 4? |
| 22:34.20 | moeen | Thanks all friends for helps, specially fpiat ;) bye |
| 22:34.23 | xeroig | Dabian: it has only one xterm. probably the utf8 one |
| 22:34.24 | rectum | but good thinking still |
| 22:34.28 | Dabian | streuner: Nice music. |
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| 22:34.33 | ulix-nxvl | hi |
| 22:34.35 | xeroig | Dabian: where else might i find it? |
| 22:34.42 | ulix-nxvl | how can i add static routes on debian?? |
| 22:34.45 | cthulfuego | denon: Flip to alt-F2 and try to run the commands by hand, that will probably provide more enlightening errors. |
| 22:34.57 | paulswm | rectum: My Dad used to tell me that a curry wasn;t really a curry unless it hurt as much coming out as it did going in |
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| 22:35.14 | streuner | Dabian: he is genius, released almost every year one CD, and he is in buiness since 1980 or such... :-) |
| 22:35.17 | rectum | I am listening to christian death metal, and trying to figure what the fuck they are goin on about |
| 22:35.26 | denon | Could not stat /dev/md/0p1 --- no such file or directory |
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| 22:35.39 | rectum | christian death metal, what a concept, going against the very philosphy of death metal if you add the 'christian' to it, nimrods |
| 22:35.41 | paulswm | That seems like a very contradictory music classification |
| 22:35.46 | xeroig | Dabian: i would go with rxvt but in man pages rxvt fucks up characters like - and ` ' |
| 22:35.53 | Dabian | streuner: Wrote his first work at the age of 17. |
| 22:36.05 | denon | cthulfuego: looks like they may have typo'd it .. shouldnt it be /dev/md0p1? |
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| 22:36.18 | streuner | Dabian: hell, the first time i heard Mike, i thought that isn't music :-) |
| 22:36.25 | cafuego | rectum: Are you implying religions are in any way affiliated with sanity or intelligence? |
| 22:36.28 | Dabian | streuner: :) |
| 22:36.35 | streuner | Dabian: What the hell is that? :-) |
| 22:36.42 | SilverWolf | Hi. I have a problem with the debian installer. When it have started the installation, and loaded the drivers for the interfaces. I just fast an empty screen without an menu. When i take a look at the log, the last thing it's sayin is that it's looking for a media. I have tried to install from a netinstallation image |
| 22:36.45 | nichos | valdyn shouldnt using: mail -s "test" nichos go through imap? My pop client is still getting the email |
| 22:36.46 | streuner | Dabian: Q.E.2 |
| 22:36.55 | cafuego | denon: I on;y have /dev/md0 and /dev/md1, didn't partition them... |
| 22:37.01 | rectum | cafuego: ever heard of Maulana Jalal Rumi? or Ibn-e Batoota, or how about Saint Augustine |
| 22:37.08 | thingfish | some of the most intelligent people I have ever met were Benedictine monks. |
| 22:37.20 | cafuego | rectum: I'm probably glad to say no. |
| 22:37.24 | rectum | religion has nothing to do with intelligence or sanity, it has only to do with blind faith, but yes I agree with what you are saying |
| 22:37.38 | Dabian | thingfish: http://www.magnatune.com - they have some good monks also. |
| 22:37.40 | valdyn | nichos: imap is a protocol to _view_ mail |
| 22:37.58 | valdyn | nichos: it has nothing to do with sending |
| 22:37.59 | thingfish | that's silly, but whatever |
| 22:38.01 | paulswm | I am a person of faith and as far as I know I am neither unintelligent or insane |
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| 22:38.13 | thingfish | well, not the musical monks... |
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| 22:38.20 | rectum | mixing debian and religion |
| 22:38.21 | rectum | :) |
| 22:38.26 | thingfish | I'm with paulswm. |
| 22:38.27 | rectum | now that would be interesting |
| 22:38.40 | Dabian | paulswm: Well .. those of no faith tend to think disagreeing with them is a sign of lack of intelligence. |
| 22:38.41 | valdyn | nichos: first you want to set up exim to deliver to your Maildir, thats likely in the faq or readme |
| 22:38.41 | paulswm | rectum: Certainly, you compile a kernel, install it, and pray while booting :P |
| 22:38.41 | jdhutchin1 | I thought debian was my religion... |
| 22:38.51 | rectum | paulswm: lol |
| 22:38.52 | thingfish | debian is a religion :) |
| 22:38.52 | valdyn | nichos: then you may want to set up an imap server |
| 22:39.22 | mono | paulswm, ke2fs -j /dev/hda3 |
| 22:39.59 | nichos | valdyn when your client connects to the server using imap, where is it told which mbox to check? |
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| 22:40.23 | thingfish | somewhere I had a picture of Stallman dressed up like a priest... |
| 22:40.51 | paulswm | mono: what does 'sfdisk -l /dev/hda' say for partiton hda3? |
| 22:40.53 | valdyn | nichos: the client isnt told. The server does that pick |
| 22:41.07 | streuner | thingfish: RMS, well he's looking for a gf actually on his homepage, cool. |
| 22:41.22 | mono | paulswm, /dev/hda3 76084 77520 724248 f W95 Ext'd (LBA) |
| 22:41.28 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:41.47 | thingfish | good luck, is all I can say |
| 22:41.54 | nichos | valdyn ok, so who is saying put mail in /var/mail/nichos, not /var/user/Maildir, is that exim? |
| 22:41.55 | streuner | thingfish: it makes those un-common ideas to become a genius. |
| 22:41.55 | valdyn | nichos: the client can browse then through whatever the server makes available.. |
| 22:42.01 | zahod | http://www.stallman.org/saintignucius.jpg |
| 22:42.07 | valdyn | nichos: yes |
| 22:42.18 | thingfish | streuner: very true/. |
| 22:42.28 | A-z-i-z | how do i install gtk on debian using apt-get ? |
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| 22:42.37 | valdyn | nichos: imap is just a fancy way to browse through your mailbox / Maildir. |
| 22:42.41 | thingfish | zahod: that's the picture hehe. |
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| 22:43.00 | thingfish | zahod...doesn't that mean something in Russian? |
| 22:43.01 | dockane | i am relatively new to linux, so i would like somebody to estimate if this is realistic: i ve got an hp 712 80 parisc with 64 mb ram here. i would like to use it as a nat box and a print server. the 2 gb scsi is terrible noisy and i am thinking of spin down the hd after bootup. is that realistic with that amount of ram ? |
| 22:43.07 | Eclipser | A-z-i-z, apt-cache search libgtk |
| 22:43.25 | nichos | valdyn ok, then my problem seems to be with exim, when i send an email now, my pop connection is getting an email, and the imap connction isnt getting anything |
| 22:43.28 | zahod | no idea, don't know russian.. yet |
| 22:43.56 | thingfish | what's up with the paucity of sid updates? I need fresh meat! |
| 22:43.59 | paulswm | mono, your command should work fine, I don't understand why it isn't wokring, ask again here, maybe someone else does |
| 22:44.14 | paulswm | mono: post the error again to save people scrolling back |
| 22:44.24 | jskulski | why does aptitude want to install all these new packages? I thought it forgets it when I exit? |
| 22:44.37 | valdyn | nichos: your imap server is showing ~/Maildir and your pop server serving your mbox? |
| 22:44.42 | thingfish | aptitude is just one crazy bitch |
| 22:44.44 | Eclipser | no I don't think it forgets |
| 22:44.50 | Eclipser | aptitude is nice |
| 22:44.55 | thingfish | I know it is. |
| 22:45.10 | jskulski | do you know how to make it forget the changes? 'f' doesn't seem to work |
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| 22:45.25 | Led_Zeppelin | is there a way to check if a file exists on a remote FTP server? |
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| 22:45.34 | denon | ls file? :) |
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| 22:45.51 | Eclipser | login on the ftp and search for the file?-p |
| 22:45.55 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:46.12 | Led_Zeppelin | Eclipser: heh yea, but I am doing this thru a script |
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| 22:46.32 | nichos | valdyn not sure where the imap is going, havent got anything in my ~/Maildir yet |
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| 22:46.49 | valdyn | nichos: whats your imap server showing then? nothing? |
| 22:46.49 | denon | Led_Zeppelin: depending on the language, there's a million ways .. you could even exec wget ftp://foo/file with some args to just check it instead of getting it |
| 22:47.00 | jskulski | Led_Zeppelin: you could try to wget it and if its local then it exists |
| 22:47.03 | Led_Zeppelin | denon: hmmm not a bad way |
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| 22:47.25 | Led_Zeppelin | but the file is rather large...like 1.0 gig :-( |
| 22:47.29 | denon | there are probably better native ways in your language |
| 22:47.32 | denon | I said check without getting .. |
| 22:47.33 | Led_Zeppelin | denon: that is slick though |
| 22:47.39 | Led_Zeppelin | denon: oo with wget you can do that? |
| 22:47.47 | denon | yeah. pretty sure there are args for that |
| 22:47.51 | denon | man wget, I dont remember them |
| 22:47.55 | denon | check date or such even |
| 22:48.12 | Led_Zeppelin | denon: nice...i appreciate that... |
| 22:48.14 | Led_Zeppelin | denon: thanks |
| 22:48.16 | dockane | i would like to run the hp 712 as a natbox and a printserver without running the scsi hd all the time. plaease estimate the amount of ram that is need for that and if the idea is realistic |
| 22:48.17 | fpiat | denon: why not just "ls" |
| 22:48.35 | Led_Zeppelin | fpiat: you would run ls in the ftp, then what? |
| 22:48.39 | denon | fpiat: I said that first .. but apparently he doesnt want to script the session in .. so wget was easier than explaining the correct way :) |
| 22:49.13 | nichos | valdyn imap server? how can i tell? I say its showing nothing because my imap client successfully connects, and picks up nothing |
| 22:49.28 | valdyn | nichos: good, thats all i wanted to know |
| 22:49.47 | chealer | I'm trying to get PHP's mail function to work, what should I set as sendmail_path ? |
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| 22:50.28 | valdyn | nichos: Which imap server is it? |
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| 22:51.00 | nichos | valdyn Courier |
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| 22:51.20 | mono | hi all, does anyone know why i am getting the following error "/dev/hda3: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock" when i try to run mke2fs -j /dev/hda3 ? |
| 22:52.05 | monkey89 | Hi, apologies if I'm missing something here, but when I was trying out apache2 (all on sarge) and I was using mod_deflate, the Transfer-Encoding option according to phpinfo() was deflate. With apache1 and mod_gzip, the transfer-encoding is still chunked.. this is wrong, isn't it? |
| 22:52.10 | valdyn | nichos: try maildirmake in ~/Maildir |
| 22:52.28 | denon | man, this installer is just buggy :( |
| 22:52.32 | denon | hope it's not the final |
| 22:53.02 | nichos | valdyn ive done that |
| 22:53.17 | valdyn | nichos: and? does that mailbox get available in your client? |
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| 22:54.26 | nichos | valdyn no, i had already done that step |
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| 22:55.25 | Angelo- | I'm trying to setup libnss-mysql on my sarge box, it seems to halfway work because I can ftp in as a user listed in the database, but if I try to su to that user it works but the prompt says "I have no name!@box" |
| 22:55.48 | fpiat | chealer: what is the server for outgoing mail, and how do you connect to it ? AFAIK, the default is to send using smtp on localhost. |
| 22:56.10 | nichos | valdyn my mail is still going to var/mail/nichos, i just tested it |
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| 22:56.59 | chealer | fpiat: I'm a newbie in mail. I think the answer is that I'm using my ISP as server, and exim4 as smarthost |
| 22:57.16 | fpiat | Angelo-: have you installed nscd ? |
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| 22:57.41 | Angelo- | fpiat: no |
| 22:58.17 | nichos | valdyn is there a way to restart exim? |
| 22:58.23 | fpiat | chealer: so, i think that you have to put you ISP's SMTP server instead of "SMTP = localhost" |
| 22:58.24 | Angelo- | aha! |
| 22:58.25 | goron_ | I would like to get the .config file of my running debian kernel. I tried /proc/config.gz, but it does not exist. Other idea's? |
| 22:58.30 | Angelo- | that worked! thanks fpiat |
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| 22:59.15 | streuner | chealer: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 22:59.18 | valdyn | nichos: you are in way over your head, obviously. Try to read some base debian/unix book, then you can try to configure any server... |
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| 22:59.26 | valdyn | nichos: /etc/init.d/exim restart |
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| 22:59.58 | fpiat | Angelo-: i had the problem with LDAP, and its because the LDAP password is in cleartext in "/etc/libnss-ldap.conf".. which is readable su root only. nscd solved this problem (because it runs as root...) |
| 23:00.10 | Angelo- | fpiat: i still cannot ssh in as that user, any suggestions? |
| 23:00.22 | nichos | valdyn thanks for the help anyway |
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| 23:00.49 | fpiat | Angelo-: you need to install somethin like "pam.*mysql" |
| 23:01.04 | Angelo- | ok |
| 23:01.11 | fpiat | Angelo-: libnss-* just solves the account names |
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| 23:01.28 | Borg^Queen | Hey people |
| 23:01.36 | fpiat | Angelo-: for authentication (verifying password) you need to configure PAM. |
| 23:01.50 | fpiat | make sure con configure /etc/pam.d/ssh after that. |
| 23:01.53 | Borg^Queen | What's the latest stable kernel available for Sarge? |
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| 23:03.03 | Angelo- | if i add "auth sufficient pam_mysql.so etc" to /etc/pam.d/common-auth will that do it? |
| 23:03.11 | fpiat | goron_: get it from /boot/config-* |
| 23:03.11 | mono | why can't i format or change the filesystem mmke2fs -O sparse_super /dev/hda3 mke2fs 1.35 (28-Feb-2004) /dev/hda3: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock |
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| 23:03.43 | goron_ | fpiat: Thx |
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| 23:05.19 | mon | hi, i have an LVM problem: i just resized a LV and now that i want to mount it, it's empty... |
| 23:05.31 | mon | df -h does report that half of the space is still used though |
| 23:05.48 | mono | anyone? |
| 23:06.27 | karsten | mon: Any files open on it? |
| 23:06.40 | karsten | mon: lsof |
| 23:06.54 | mon | karsten: ls doesnt show any files |
| 23:07.11 | karsten | mon: That wasn't what I asked. |
| 23:07.11 | mon | i 'll try lsof though |
| 23:07.24 | karsten | mon: Open files aren't listed, but use space. |
| 23:07.42 | mon | karsten: lsof reports nothing |
| 23:07.50 | chealer | fpiat: in the section where this option is, it's written "For Win32 only". are you sure that applies? |
| 23:07.59 | karsten | mon: OK. No other ideas from here. |
| 23:07.59 | mono | can i use fdisk to format and change the file ext on this partition? |
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| 23:08.21 | karsten | mono: Um, *what* ? |
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| 23:08.50 | mon | karsten: i also ran fsck.ext2 in between which "repaired" a couple of things. think that could be related? |
| 23:09.39 | karsten | mon: On a mounted or unmounted partition? |
| 23:09.47 | mon | karsten: unmounted |
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| 23:10.16 | mon | karsten: and when i run it again now it finds even more (after the resize) |
| 23:10.30 | karsten | mon: I'm not sure, but that doesn't sound particularly healthy. |
| 23:10.38 | mon | but i'm kindoff afraid of destroying any last salvaging possibilities |
| 23:10.49 | karsten | mon: In general, I avoid resizing partitions interactively. Back off data. Repartition. Restore. |
| 23:11.03 | karsten | mon: The only thing you have to fear ... |
| 23:11.08 | karsten | mon: ... is fear itself ... |
| 23:11.13 | karsten | mon: ... and total data loss. |
| 23:11.14 | mon | karsten: i agree, thing is i dont have enough space for that backup |
| 23:11.17 | mon | :P |
| 23:11.23 | karsten | mon: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 23:11.38 | karsten | mon: Do you skydive without a parachute and figure you'll deal with the landing when you get there? |
| 23:11.55 | mon | karsten: i did it the supposed to be safe way, couldn't resist i guess |
| 23:12.05 | karsten | mon: Seriously: don't fuck with your data, and don't expect people to pull you out. |
| 23:12.09 | mon | karsten: you're comparing life and death with some personal data |
| 23:12.21 | mon | karsten: i know, but if doesn't hurt to ask, right? |
| 23:12.28 | mon | one can always try |
| 23:12.29 | karsten | mon: I'm telling you that dicking with your disks w/o backups is just plain dumb. |
| 23:12.41 | karsten | mon: You try. I'm not wasting my time. |
| 23:12.49 | karsten | mon: Preferably it's a mistake you make once. |
| 23:12.51 | K_Dallas | mon, would you mind explaining briefly what your problem is? |
| 23:13.02 | K_Dallas | and evening by the way |
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| 23:13.35 | mon | K_Dallas: resized an LVM volume (larger) resized the filesystem. now files are gone but space is still used |
| 23:13.38 | morientes | Handeck |
| 23:13.38 | morientes | Pret |
| 23:13.41 | Handeck | go |
| 23:14.01 | K_Dallas | i see. have you found any solution yet? |
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| 23:14.10 | Handeck | morientes |
| 23:14.12 | Handeck | streuner |
| 23:14.13 | morientes | kikoo ChanServ ;o) |
| 23:14.13 | morientes | kikoo debhelper ;o) |
| 23:14.14 | morientes | kikoo [Cadet] ;o) |
| 23:14.14 | morientes | kikoo [Granger] ;o) |
| 23:14.14 | morientes | kikoo __DL__ ;o) |
| 23:14.14 | morientes | kikoo _cereal ;o) |
| 23:14.14 | Handeck | Strasbourgeois |
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| 23:14.20 | fpiat | chealer: i am absolutly not sure, but in fact i think you can/may/should specify the smtp server in the PHP-script (look ar pear.php.net there are the usefull fucniton, actuallly |
| 23:14.20 | Handeck | XDR |
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| 23:14.28 | mon | K_Dallas: nope, maybe i'd cat the device over network to my pc |
| 23:14.28 | morientes | kikoo _sss_ ;o) |
| 23:14.30 | morientes | kikoo _terr ;o) |
| 23:14.32 | morientes | kikoo _Tyrant ;o) |
| 23:14.34 | morientes | kikoo `Sphere` ;o) |
| 23:14.35 | karsten | !ops morientes |
| 23:14.36 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: morientes |
| 23:14.38 | morientes | kikoo a-atwood ;o) |
| 23:14.40 | karsten | mon: Stop |
| 23:14.40 | morientes | kikoo A-z-i-z ;o) |
| 23:14.42 | morientes | kikoo A13x ;o) |
| 23:14.44 | morientes | kikoo aargh ;o) |
| 23:14.46 | morientes | kikoo Aaton ;o) |
| 23:14.48 | morientes | kikoo ackron ;o) |
| 23:14.49 | cafuego | retarded bot |
| 23:14.50 | morientes | kikoo Adrian ;o) |
| 23:14.51 | K_Dallas | what is going on? |
| 23:14.52 | morientes | kikoo af_ ;o) |
| 23:14.53 | mon | karsten: what did i do |
| 23:14.54 | morientes | kikoo Agrajag- ;o) |
| 23:14.56 | morientes | kikoo aidehua ;o) |
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| 23:14.58 | morientes | kikoo ailas ;o) |
| 23:15.00 | morientes | Mentor |
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| 23:15.02 | karsten | mon: Sorry. |
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| 23:15.10 | K_Dallas | perm ban the guy |
| 23:15.15 | karsten | !beer meff |
| 23:15.17 | karsten | !beer mentor |
| 23:15.18 | Strasbourgeois | Bonjours ChanServ :o) Tape /part pour avoir plus d'infos sur le server :o) |
| 23:15.18 | Strasbourgeois | Bonjours debhelper :o) Tape /part pour avoir plus d'infos sur le server :o) |
| 23:15.18 | Strasbourgeois | Bonjours [Cadet] :o) Tape /part pour avoir plus d'infos sur le server :o) |
| 23:15.18 | Strasbourgeois | Bonjours [Granger] :o) Tape /part pour avoir plus d'infos sur le server :o) |
| 23:15.18 | Strasbourgeois | Bonjours __DL__ :o) Tape /part pour avoir plus d'infos sur le server :o) |
| 23:15.19 | Strasbourgeois | Bonjours _cereal :o) Tape /part pour avoir plus d'infos sur le server :o) |
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| 23:15.23 | zoly | g'day |
| 23:15.42 | K_Dallas | are they infected or something? |
| 23:15.46 | Rydekull | no |
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| 23:15.51 | Strasbourgeois | Bonjours ackron :o) Tape /part pour avoir plus d'infos sur le server :o) |
| 23:15.51 | cafuego | No, just idiots |
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| 23:15.53 | Rydekull | it's some stupid french people |
| 23:15.57 | cafuego | it's probably abotnet. |
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| 23:16.01 | karsten | !ops kline / ban 80.125.83.175 |
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| 23:16.02 | chealer | Strasbourgeois: stop that crap |
| 23:16.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: kline / ban 80.125.83.175 |
| 23:16.08 | karsten | !beer cafuego |
| 23:16.18 | streuner | karsten: already done |
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| 23:16.22 | K_Dallas | for a sec it sounds funny but that is just it |
| 23:16.22 | Rydekull | they were earlier today in .. hmm, #ubuntu |
| 23:16.27 | karsten | streuner: Yeah, I'm slow... |
| 23:16.35 | K_Dallas | i see |
| 23:16.47 | karsten | streuner: ...but at least I beered the right nick. |
| 23:16.49 | Rydekull | but no ops were awake then :P |
| 23:16.59 | groton | [newbie] how to make that nice NIC selector dialog coming up again (like the one i seen when installed Debian Sarge from the CD) ? :) |
| 23:17.03 | cafuego | You know, an irssi script that matches debhelper kicks and automatically ignores the recipient of said kick for 60 minutes would be useful :-) |
| 23:17.06 | chealer | fpiat: I don't know the code that calls mail() myself, I'm just trying to set it so that it works |
| 23:17.09 | cafuego | groton: etherconf |
| 23:17.15 | streuner | Rydekull: mentor did it |
| 23:17.17 | groton | cafuego: thanks |
| 23:17.26 | Rydekull | streuner: what? |
| 23:17.34 | streuner | Rydekull: help us |
| 23:17.45 | Rydekull | streuner: But... if you are to read my comments read them all |
| 23:17.46 | streuner | seems that was it |
| 23:18.00 | groton | cafuego: i do not have that command |
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| 23:18.06 | Rydekull | streuner: and you'll see that I wasnt talking about this chan |
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| 23:18.30 | cafuego | !find etherconf |
| 23:18.35 | dpkg | etherconf: (debconf interface to Ethernet device configuration), section net, is optional. Version: 1.17-0.1 (sid), Packaged size: 41 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 23:18.51 | cafuego | groton: sudo apt-get install etherconf; sudo etherconf |
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| 23:19.17 | `Sphere` | I want to block interactive (ssh) login for a specific user, but still allow him to connect to my ftp.. is it still possible to do ? |
| 23:19.32 | groton | cafuego: apt-get from where? i wish it would be the net, but it is a single CD, which of course does not contain that. but i have to check still |
| 23:19.50 | karsten | `Sphere`: Were you asking about this yesterday any chance? |
| 23:19.56 | denon | `Sphere`: there's probably a better method, but you can set his shell to something like no login or /bin/echo or somethin |
| 23:20.10 | fpiat | `Sphere`: look at /etc/hosts.allow |
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| 23:20.28 | cthulfuego | groton: then 'man 5 interfaces' and 'vi /etc/network/interfaces' is all you have. |
| 23:20.34 | karsten | `Sphere`: Lock his account. Will prevent shell. Should allow FTP. |
| 23:21.00 | karsten | `Sphere`: There's also DenyUsers. man sshd |
| 23:21.35 | karsten | `Sphere`: An account is not accessible if it is locked, listed in DenyUsers or its group is listed in DenyGroups . The definition of a locked account is system dependant. |
| 23:21.44 | karsten | `Sphere`: sshd manpage. |
| 23:21.46 | fpiat | chealer: are you using an existing script, or developping one yourself ? |
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| 23:22.11 | Sphere- | I want to block interactive (ssh) login for a specific user, but still allow him to connect to my ftp.. is it still possible to do ? and if it is.. how ? |
| 23:22.13 | streuner | hm |
| 23:22.23 | chealer | fpiat: I'm using a non-Debian packaged CMS |
| 23:22.24 | Solet | whats the /dev/* directory to a hard drive on the slave channel? on the primary ide controller? |
| 23:22.34 | Solet | i thought /dev/hd2 but it isnt... |
| 23:22.42 | bbrazil | Sphere-: set his shell to /bin/false |
| 23:22.47 | streuner | Solet: /dev/hdb |
| 23:22.57 | bbrazil | Sphere-: (assumes the ftpd doesn't do a good shell check) |
| 23:23.07 | chealer | streuner: will the document you referred me to help me even if I'm using exim4? |
| 23:23.07 | karsten | `Sphere`: Lock his account. Will prevent shell. Should allow FTP. |
| 23:23.16 | karsten | Sphere-: Are you `Sphere` ? |
| 23:23.17 | streuner | chealer: no |
| 23:23.37 | Solet | streuner: "special device does not exist |
| 23:23.40 | karsten | Sphere-: Stop asking duplicate questions under different nicks. |
| 23:24.01 | onre | karsten, could as well be case of disconnected dialup link before getting any answers. |
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| 23:24.06 | streuner | Solet: dpkg -l udev | tail -1 |
| 23:24.10 | karsten | onre: Apparently. |
| 23:24.15 | chealer | streuner: ok thanks anyway |
| 23:24.21 | karsten | onre: Just seems to be getting to be a FAQ here. |
| 23:24.45 | Sphere- | yeah.. `Sphere` is a ghost (got cut out earlier) |
| 23:24.48 | streuner | chealer: what version of debian do you use in order to run a MTA? |
| 23:24.58 | fpiat | chealer: i think you have to configure the smtp server in the CMS thing, not in php.ini ( i don't remeber any php script that didn't have a configurable script for smtp) |
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| 23:25.05 | chealer | streuner: sarge |
| 23:25.14 | karsten | Sphere-: OK. DId you see my answer? |
| 23:25.23 | Sphere- | about setting a shell to /bin/false ? |
| 23:25.26 | Solet | how can i display all ide devices that are plugged in? |
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| 23:25.40 | eob84 | has anyone been able to compile 2.6.11? |
| 23:25.40 | karsten | Sphere-: Lock his account. Will prevent shell. Should allow FTP. |
| 23:25.42 | chealer | fpiat: ah...I already did that and it's not working, but I'll consider asking upstream directly |
| 23:25.53 | karsten | Sphere-: man sshd. "DenyUsers" also available. |
| 23:25.53 | valdyn | Solet: cd /proc/ide/ and look |
| 23:26.03 | Sphere- | karsten - how do I lock his account ? |
| 23:26.09 | streuner | Solet: or run 'dmesg | grep ide |
| 23:26.12 | karsten | Sphere-: man passwd. man usermod. |
| 23:26.20 | Sphere- | alright karsten -- danke :) |
| 23:26.41 | fpiat | Sphere-: one can specify what "command" he wants to run, bypassing the shell. |
| 23:26.48 | karsten | Sphere-: Bitte. |
| 23:26.57 | karsten | fpiat: How? |
| 23:27.11 | Sphere- | fpiat - I don't understand .. if I don't give him a shell.. how can he execute anything ? |
| 23:27.12 | fpiat | chealer: what CMS ? you have the URL ? |
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| 23:27.59 | groton | cafuego: i have cd number 1 and cd number 14 of sarge. I checked its content with apt-cache, and they do not have etherconf. how could i know where that package is out of the other 12 CD? :) anyway, i just have to install the proper driver for a D-LINK NIC, and being a newbie, i cannot know where to start... but im reading a lot and i think i have to recompile the kernel with the proper support :) am i right? |
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| 23:28.04 | fpiat | Sphere-: sshd is very different from telnet... one can say which shell/command he wants to ru. |
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| 23:28.21 | karsten | groton: Why can't you apt-get install it? |
| 23:28.33 | Sphere- | yeah.. but isn't that command performed after the login finishes ? |
| 23:28.36 | incorrect | what do i need to enable to get ntpd to listen for requests for time? |
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| 23:28.50 | valdyn | groton: more like you have to only compiled a driver, not the whole kernel |
| 23:28.55 | groton | karsten: my debian computer is not connected to the internet, and i do not have that package onto my two CD |
| 23:29.01 | valdyn | groton: more likely you have to only compile a driver, not the whole kernel |
| 23:29.05 | groton | valdyn: ok |
| 23:29.10 | incorrect | i cant find anything in the docs, all docs seem to go on about setting up ntpd to sync off public servers |
| 23:29.11 | karsten | groton: Got floppies? |
| 23:29.20 | karsten | groton: ...or other transfer media? |
| 23:29.25 | fpiat | Sphere-: you can think of the user shell as a "default shell" when using ssh (so it's pointless to put shell to "/bin/false") |
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| 23:29.27 | groton | karsten: floppies? no, my computer have no floppy readers |
| 23:29.43 | karsten | groton: ...or other. |
| 23:30.05 | groton | karsten: my aim is not connect my linux comp with an eth crossed cable to this windows comp. |
| 23:30.23 | Angelo- | fpiat: do I just need to add an "auth sufficient pam_mysql.so" line to /etc/pam.d/ssh to get ssh working with mysql? |
| 23:30.27 | karsten | groton: That's nice. |
| 23:30.50 | valdyn | groton: have you figured out which driver you need? |
| 23:30.54 | karsten | groton: Point being: you can d/l the package elsewhere and transfer it. What restrictions you impose on yourself aren't my problem. |
| 23:30.55 | groton | karsten: the linux comp has only a CD ROM reader. It's nice, but it is too advanced for my skills :) |
| 23:31.05 | karsten | groton: USB? |
| 23:31.10 | karsten | groton: ...or serial, or parallel... |
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| 23:31.29 | groton | i found the driver of my NIC: it is a single .c file and a make file accompany it. |
| 23:31.43 | valdyn | groton: im sure theres something better |
| 23:31.50 | groton | karsten: it has two USB, which linux fails to reckon, and never worked on win98 (the previous OS) |
| 23:31.58 | valdyn | groton: hows that driver called? or the device? |
| 23:32.08 | groton | D-LINK 528TX |
| 23:32.27 | valdyn | groton: thats a silly brandname, which chip , which driver? |
| 23:32.54 | groton | the file name the vendor provide in the cd is: RTL8139.C |
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| 23:33.00 | thingfish | I have a rather emaciated and aged "pony" for sale at a reasonable price... |
| 23:33.15 | valdyn | groton: that means that you probably dont have to compile anything |
| 23:33.19 | groton | valdyn: 528 TX is the CHIP name. D-LINK is the vendor |
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| 23:33.24 | karsten | groton: Floppy, CD, USB, SLIP, SPLIP, eth, or move the HD to another system. If you can get the file on the disk, and really I'm done arguing menthods, you're sorted. I'm not interested in what doesn't work or what you don't want. If you need help making one of these work, ask. |
| 23:33.39 | valdyn | groton: if that driver works then rtl8193 is the chip ) |
| 23:33.48 | fpiat | Angelo-: yes, make it the last "auth" before "pam_unix" (which should be the last one). Since once PAM see "sufficient", it stops checking the "auth" rules. |
| 23:34.18 | groton | karsten: maybe i do not need etherconf anyway :) i just need to install a proper module/driver to make my NIX wrling properly in Linux |
| 23:34.26 | groton | s/wrling/working |
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| 23:34.53 | fpiat | Angelo-: (you might want to add "account sufficient pam_ldap.so" _after_ "account required pam_unix.so") |
| 23:35.00 | valdyn | groton: uname -r |
| 23:35.04 | groton | valdyn: when i installed Debian, i tryed all the 40 common drivers, and no one worked with my NIC :\ |
| 23:35.25 | groton | valdyn: 2.4.27-1-386 |
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| 23:36.39 | groton | i think i have all: i found gcc on the CD 1 of sarge which i have (besides the 14th). i have the vendor CD with that .c file and its Makefile. i just need to figure out what u should do with all of that :) |
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| 23:36.56 | getter | how do i install a new locale on sarge? |
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| 23:37.02 | fpiat | groton: has anybody asked for a "lspci | grep Ethernet " ? |
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| 23:37.40 | groton | fpiat: "lscpi: command not found" :) |
| 23:38.06 | Ashly | I have some invalid characters in my /var/lib/dpkg/avalible file, where can I pick up a fixed copy for testing? |
| 23:38.15 | Angelo- | fpiat: adding the auth rule didn't work, auth.log says Account test has expired, illegal user test, could not get shadow information for NOUSER |
| 23:38.16 | fpiat | chealer: do you have the official URL of that CMS ? |
| 23:38.30 | valdyn | groton: tried "modprobe 8139too" ? |
| 23:38.37 | jaro | hi there. I have very strange troubles. I recently upgraded nvidia packages and it is now defunct. I tried to figure out what's wrong and I noticed this: current nvidia-glx package depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174, which is virtual and provided by various nvidia-kernel-2.4 kernel packages. However, I'm running 2.6 kernel. May this be the source of problems? |
| 23:38.52 | groton | valdyn: do i need just to run that command? |
| 23:38.53 | dvs | getter: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 23:38.55 | fpiat | groton: lspci => try "apt-get install pciutils" |
| 23:39.00 | valdyn | groton: yes |
| 23:39.01 | karsten | getter: dpkg-reconfigure locales IIRC. |
| 23:39.01 | chealer | fpiat: sorry I was on phone. tikiwiki.org, but don't matter looking at it, I'll make sure it's not upstream myself |
| 23:39.02 | getter | dvs: ok |
| 23:39.10 | Ugly_Duck | how best would i do an update with cron? set a cronjob to run as root then apt-get update && apt-get -d upgrade ? to download the files but not upgrade untill i want too?? (slow connection, if downloading the files like this would be kewl) |
| 23:39.15 | karsten | groton: cat /proc/pci |
| 23:39.18 | karsten | groton: ...close equivalent. |
| 23:39.18 | cafuego | Cool. Can someone let themselves be kicked by debhelper please ;-) |
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| 23:39.22 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: Don't. |
| 23:39.33 | chealer | jaro: yes that's the source of your problem. you have to rerun module-assistant |
| 23:39.54 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: You can run 'apt-get update; aptitude -dy dist-upgrade' in a cron job. That will update package lists and d/l packages, but not install them. |
| 23:39.57 | jaro | chealer: rerun? I didn't do that yet :) |
| 23:40.00 | Agrajag_ | I installed nvidia binary driver tarball thingy, but apps still find software OpenGL (mesa), anyone know the cleanest most debianesque way to deal with this problem? |
| 23:40.04 | jaro | chealer: I'll try that. |
| 23:40.05 | getter | ok thanks |
| 23:40.19 | groton | karsten: its output is long. just let me time to breath and read all of those text lines. |
| 23:40.33 | Ugly_Duck | karsten: thanks, exactly what i want... |
| 23:40.35 | fpiat | Angelo-: what do you have the equivalent to "passwd: files ldap" in "/etc/nsswitch.conf" |
| 23:40.39 | karsten | groton: man less. man grep. |
| 23:40.40 | chealer | Agrajag_: tarball thingy? do you mean nvidia-installer? |
| 23:40.52 | Agrajag_ | chealer: yes, the selft extracting archive |
| 23:40.53 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: There's also IIRC an apt-cron package. Don't use it myself. |
| 23:41.05 | Ugly_Duck | k |
| 23:41.08 | chealer | !tell Agrajag_ about nvidia-installer |
| 23:41.10 | fpiat | chealer: ok doc... it seems e good wiki, actually |
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| 23:41.13 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: Reasoning; some updates do ugly things. You automatically schedule a b0rken system. Not good. |
| 23:41.22 | Angelo- | passwd: compat mysql |
| 23:41.26 | chealer | fpiat: bah, not so much :) |
| 23:41.46 | chealer | fpiat: and it's more a CMS than a Wiki despite the name :) |
| 23:41.50 | Ugly_Duck | karsten: yeah, thats why i just wana download the packages; then i dont have to sit there while they download.. ehehhe i hate slow connections |
| 23:41.55 | groton | karsten: i ran "cat /proc/pci | grep 528" and i got no hits |
| 23:42.12 | valdyn | groton: lspci | grep ethernet |
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| 23:42.16 | groton | karsten: i do not see my NIX listed in the output indeed |
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| 23:42.40 | valdyn | groton: we already said that 528 is just DLINKS branding, not a chip |
| 23:42.57 | simonrvn | allo |
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| 23:43.32 | groton | valdyn: "lscpi | grep eth" returns no hits. |
| 23:43.34 | valdyn | groton: actually: "lspci | grep -i ethernet" |
| 23:43.39 | DB_ | I'm struggling with some simple bash stuff. Anyone willing to help me out? |
| 23:43.45 | valdyn | groton: b/c the e is capitalised |
| 23:43.50 | groton | valdyn: no hits anyway |
| 23:44.21 | chealer | DB_: maybe #bash would be more |
| 23:44.24 | dvs | groton: because it's "lspci | grep Eth" |
| 23:44.29 | DB_ | chealer: Good point |
| 23:44.33 | Ashly | I have some invalid characters in my /var/lib/dpkg/avalible file, where can I pick up a fixed copy for testing? |
| 23:44.38 | groton | it is a bug problem? my NIX in actually inserted in a PCI slot. I hope it is not a dead board. |
| 23:44.53 | karsten | Ugly_Duck: Coolio |
| 23:45.05 | Ugly_Duck | karsten: done, thanks for your help |
| 23:45.06 | jetdotnet | or grep -i eth |
| 23:45.11 | valdyn | groton: did you fix the capitalising via -i or 'E' ? |
| 23:45.17 | Sphere- | karsten - I locked the user.. now he can't access the ftp |
| 23:45.19 | karsten | groton: cat /proc/pci | grep -i eth |
| 23:45.23 | dings | How can I check wether the kernel running har apm support? (debian kernel, btw) |
| 23:45.24 | karsten | Sphere-: Sweet. |
| 23:45.26 | jaro | chealer: Strange thing is that it worked for a long time. Until nvidia-glx was upgraded. What am I supposed to build? nvidia-kernel-source? This has the version postfix 6111, although nvidia-glx has 7174. Do you think it's okay? |
| 23:45.30 | karsten | Sphere-: Um. Not sweet. |
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| 23:45.43 | karsten | Sphere-: IIRC, you can set up a seperate per-user FTP config. |
| 23:45.51 | chealer | jaro: postfix? |
| 23:45.52 | groton | valdyn: the output is short, i see by my very eyes that my NIX is not listed. And i also tryed modprobe XXXtoo, but with no luck. I could read the dmesg output then. |
| 23:45.57 | karsten | Sphere-: ...however it's been years since I've done this, and it likely varies by FTP server. |
| 23:45.59 | valdyn | groton: paste it |
| 23:46.10 | dvs | Is paster still banned? |
| 23:46.11 | karsten | Sphere-: You can also use, as I've told you three times, DenyUser in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 23:46.19 | Sphere- | karsten - I run proftpd |
| 23:46.31 | chealer | jaro: no, you must upgrade nvidia-kernel-source to 7174 too and rerun module-assistant to build a nvidia kernel module for 2.6 |
| 23:46.33 | fpiat | groton: what about grep "10EC" /proc/bus/pci/devices ? |
| 23:46.34 | Sphere- | yes.. looks like I'm gonna go with the sshd_config,, cause /bin/false didn't work, and so does lock |
| 23:46.40 | rectum | Sphere-: I would go with vsftpd |
| 23:46.40 | jaro | chealer: the last part of the version. |
| 23:46.46 | rectum | thats what I use and its great |
| 23:46.47 | karsten | dvs: Just manually paste the URL |
| 23:46.57 | groton | valdyn: i cannot paste. i have to write by hand all :) |
| 23:47.12 | karsten | groton: Personal problem. |
| 23:47.15 | dvs | karsten: That's too hard! ;-) |
| 23:47.16 | chealer | jaro: the last part of the version is called postfix :? is that a nvidia thing? |
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| 23:47.21 | valdyn | groton: /exec -o lspci | grep -i eth <- type in your irc client |
| 23:47.22 | Sphere- | rectum - why ? |
| 23:47.27 | jaro | chealer: By postfix i've meant the last number in the rather complicated version string. |
| 23:47.37 | karsten | !shoot dvs |
| 23:47.42 | rectum | Sphere-: personal preference, its small, compat, fast , modular, secure, and very very very very secure |
| 23:47.48 | rectum | did I mention is very secure |
| 23:47.49 | jaro | chealer: I've called it so. It seems to be the nvidia version. |
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| 23:47.51 | Agrajag_ | chealer: hmm for me the module works and I'm really scared to touch it, seems like I just need to figure out how to tell X to use the right OpenGL module |
| 23:48.02 | chealer | jaro: ok...anyway |
| 23:48.06 | rectum | in fact thats what vsftpd stands for, very secure ftpd |
| 23:48.07 | rectum | :) |
| 23:48.09 | karsten | groton: If you're IRCing from the box with a decent client, you can pipe output. /exec -o <cmd> in irrssi. Remember DON'T FLOOD THE CHANNEL. |
| 23:48.21 | karsten | dvs: I wasn't aiming there. |
| 23:48.22 | groton | valdyn: i do not understnad. rememebr that i have two computers, and this one is not the linux one. |
| 23:48.28 | dvs | D'oh! |
| 23:48.34 | jaro | chealer: I'm quite a blind - nvidia-kernel-source is 7174 as well. |
| 23:48.38 | chealer | Agrajag_: the only thing I know is that you should read the debian-nvidia howto |
| 23:48.45 | Sphere- | rectum: secure in what way ? why is it better than proftpd ? |
| 23:49.07 | rectum | proftpd has many bugs, exploits, bullcrap in general |
| 23:49.10 | valdyn | groton: yea.. then copy the line manually, starting after the ':' |
| 23:49.11 | groton | karsten: till my NIC does not work, i cannot connect to internet with my Linux computer. |
| 23:49.17 | groton | ok |
| 23:49.26 | rectum | go look for a comparison on google, find out for yourself |
| 23:49.27 | chealer | jaro: ok but you still need an nvidia kernel for 2.6, that you need to build yourself with module-assistant |
| 23:49.41 | jaro | chealer: And there is another way - the driver from nvidia. I have do download and build that as well? |
| 23:50.00 | jaro | chealer: I think that this package is called nvidia-kernel-source |
| 23:50.22 | groton | fpiat: grepping for "10EC" gave no hits. |
| 23:50.58 | chealer | jaro: don't download the driver from nvidia |
| 23:51.05 | Sphere- | rectum - are there any gui's to configure it (the vsftpd) ? like gproftpd ? |
| 23:51.05 | fpiat | Sphere-: ssh obeys the /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny files, so you can use them to say who can access the "sshd" service |
| 23:51.12 | jaro | chealer: why? |
| 23:51.17 | chealer | jaro: the debian nvidia stuff is what nvidia.com ships, but adapted to debian |
| 23:51.28 | fpiat | groton: you told your card is a 8139, right ? |
| 23:51.48 | chealer | jaro: it could break your system, even if the debian way has its own dependency problems. just rebuild your 2.6 kernel module |
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| 23:52.18 | jaro | I might try to uninstall the old nvidia stuff then :) |
| 23:52.29 | groton | fpiat: no, it is a D-LINK 528 TX, but I'm not sure if it is the same or partially modified hardware. |
| 23:53.08 | groton | valdyn: pratically when i run "modprobe XXXXtoo" i get: "init_module: No such device". And in the dmesg output the string "8139too Fast Eth driver 0.9.26" is enqueued twice. |
| 23:53.11 | dvs | groton: Have you tried via-rhine? |
| 23:53.36 | groton | dvs: no |
| 23:53.48 | eob84 | has anyone been able to compile 2.6.11 kernel for sarge? |
| 23:53.51 | chealer | jaro: yeah |
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| 23:53.59 | valdyn | groton: still waiting for lspci output.. |
| 23:53.59 | dvs | eob84: Yup |
| 23:54.11 | eob84 | from 2.6.8? |
| 23:54.12 | groton | valdyn: yes |
| 23:54.21 | dvs | eob84: From 2.6.10 |
| 23:54.29 | eob84 | I have 2.6.8 system |
| 23:54.33 | jaro | chealer: When I'm finished with that, I'll run the module-assistant, rebuild & install nvidia-kernel package and I'm done? |
| 23:54.40 | dvs | it shouldn't matter much |
| 23:54.47 | eob84 | everytim I try to compile I get errors |
| 23:54.58 | eob84 | I am updating my compiler and things |
| 23:54.58 | chealer | jaro: m-a a-i nvidia does all that |
| 23:55.06 | eob84 | I figure that might help |
| 23:55.47 | jaro | chealer: I think I know what wrong I did ;) |
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| 23:55.53 | groton | valdyn: i copy the relevant parts i read from the other monitor :) : Host bridge Intel 440BX \\n PCI bridge: Intel \\n IDE interfaces \\n USB Controllers \\n VGA Compatible. |
| 23:55.59 | chealer | jaro: what is it? |
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| 23:56.19 | fpiat | groton: a "DE-528" ? it might be an RTL-8029 (BTW i should have told you to do : grep -i "10EC" /proc/bus/pci/devices |
| 23:56.26 | Piggy | EXTERMINATE! |
| 23:56.28 | jaro | chealer: after some time after the update I needed to shut X server. And it didn't start again. |
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| 23:56.36 | valdyn | groton: not the whole, just the output of "lspci | grep -i eth" |
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| 23:56.43 | setnf | anyone knows any software to transform wav to mp3 ? |
| 23:56.50 | groton | valdyn: the result then it is empty |
| 23:56.57 | jaro | chealer: I suppose, this was caused by new stuff tried to be run by old kernel modules (might that be?). |
| 23:57.06 | groton | fpiat: emtpy again, also with the case unsensitiveness |
| 23:57.07 | sussudio | !tell setnf about lame |
| 23:57.07 | chealer | jaro: exactly |
| 23:57.12 | dvs | groton: You've tried that exact command? |
| 23:57.18 | groton | dvs: yes |
| 23:57.18 | chealer | jaro: the X logs must have given a clue about that |
| 23:57.25 | valdyn | oh god is this an isa card? |
| 23:57.28 | jaro | chealer: so i tried to fix the problem - what I did? I did run the nvidia installer and downgraded. |
| 23:57.39 | jaro | And today I needed to restart machine :-) |
| 23:57.46 | groton | Maybe till i havent installed a proper driver, the device wont get listed? |
| 23:57.46 | chealer | jaro: heh, you should have come here first |
| 23:57.53 | jaro | And another problem arised - new kernel modules with old drivers :-) |
| 23:57.58 | setnf | sussudio, " Get .debs from <marillat> or <rarewares> " where is the sources to put on my sources list.. |
| 23:57.59 | dvs | groton: Is it an ISA card? |
| 23:58.04 | groton | dvs: PCI |
| 23:58.16 | fpiat | groton: 1.) do you have lspci ? 2) can you open your computer to see the card's chipset ? |
| 23:58.19 | jaro | chealer: Yes. And I was so proud to have solved that problem myself :)) |
| 23:58.20 | Delph | setnf: <...> is a link to another factoid |
| 23:58.20 | eob84 | could a out of date GCC compiler casue issues when compiling the kernel? |
| 23:58.27 | dvs | groton: Then either it isn't a PCI card or you typed the command wrong |
| 23:58.49 | setnf | Delph, yea i saw it before.. but i can't remember where.. |
| 23:58.57 | sussudio | !tell setnf about marillat |
| 23:59.01 | dvs | groton: If it is a PCI card it would show up in lspci |
| 23:59.04 | eob84 | I guess that is actually a silly question |
| 23:59.07 | jaro | chealer: the X logs said that it is impossible to load newer driver by an older module :) |
| 23:59.11 | groton | fpiat: yes, i installed pciutils, and i run lspci. let me check. |
| 23:59.27 | setnf | oush. thanks sussudio |
