| 00:00.06 | kyncani | mwilson: why ? |
| 00:00.08 | poonj | mwilson: it never worked for using gcc-3.3 to compile a kernel |
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| 00:00.26 | mwilson | abrotman: If it doesn't, it'd be a bug. Gcc 2.95 is still the recommended kernel compiler. |
| 00:00.41 | mwilson | kyncani: 2.95 is the recommended compiler, not 3.x. |
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| 00:00.53 | rixth | Can anyone here help me with GnuCash? I think my stylesheet is 'broken' |
| 00:01.13 | rixth | I have lots of broken images if i use the Fancy template. |
| 00:01.24 | valdyn | poonj: dont use different compilers for modules / kernel, using 3.3 for both should work. |
| 00:01.26 | kyncani | mwilson: debian kernel-image-2.6 is compiled with gcc-3.3 |
| 00:01.30 | poonj | anyhow, when I use 2.95 to compile ndiswrapper and load the module, my keyboard doens't work anymore...system seems to freeze I guess |
| 00:01.34 | kyncani | Linux version 2.6.10-1-686 (dilinger@mouth) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-8)) #1 Fri Mar 11 03:55:46 EST 2005 |
| 00:01.38 | valdyn | poonj: but in case of ndiswrapper, i dont know |
| 00:01.40 | FieldySnuts | @fuck ndiswrapper |
| 00:01.40 | poonj | valdyn: using 3.3 should work for both? |
| 00:01.55 | mwilson | kyncani: Good for kernel-image-2.6. What does that have to do with anything? |
| 00:02.11 | mwilson | kyncani: I'm not fool enough to use a Debian kernel, either. |
| 00:02.20 | poonj | last time I gave it a run, I encountered problems...but let me give it another try |
| 00:02.25 | valdyn | poonj: to compile it does work for both, but im not using ndiswrapper so i cant tell if ndiswrapper will work.. just dont in any case mix modules / kernel made with different compilers |
| 00:02.33 | rixth | <IMG SRC="" ALIGN="bottom" BORDER="0"> In GnuCash. How do I set what that image is supposed to be? |
| 00:02.55 | kyncani | mwilson: ?? they just work |
| 00:03.01 | poonj | valdyn: the difference in the use of compilers is the problem...I was under the presumption that only 2.9x worked for the kernel.....so I was a bit c onfused |
| 00:03.17 | poonj | valdyn: But let me try using 3.3 for the 2.6.x kernel |
| 00:03.36 | mwilson | kyncani: Not hardly. I'm not interested in Debian's "throw the patch at the wall and see if it sticks" theories on kernel building. |
| 00:03.58 | hulo_ | lol |
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| 00:04.40 | abrotman | mwilson: ever wonder which distro has the most vanilla prepackaged kernels? |
| 00:04.49 | rixth | >_< I swear everyone has me on ignore. |
| 00:04.58 | mwilson | abrotman: Nope. Don't care, either. |
| 00:04.58 | valdyn | slackware? |
| 00:05.19 | abrotman | mwilson: you could at least guess :) |
| 00:05.20 | mwilson | abrotman: Only distribution I'll ever use is Debian. |
| 00:05.37 | poonj | not even fedora/redhat? |
| 00:05.40 | hulo_ | what about arch linux? |
| 00:05.41 | mwilson | abrotman: So it doesn't matter if it's Debian, or if it's someone else. |
| 00:05.47 | FieldySnuts | heh fedora. snicker |
| 00:05.51 | FieldySnuts | yeah |
| 00:05.54 | mwilson | hulo_: What about them? |
| 00:05.59 | abrotman | poonj: definitely not fedora |
| 00:06.15 | hulo_ | i don't know. haven't tried yet but have been wanting to. |
| 00:06.17 | zuralin | abrotman, LFS? :P |
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| 00:06.46 | mwilson | hulo_: Then why are you asking me? |
| 00:07.11 | poonj | I haven't tried it.. |
| 00:07.21 | maw_ | does anybody here know about a page showing me how to config XFree to support two monitors with cloned picture? |
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| 00:07.46 | maw_ | I have been experimenting on my own, but i didn't make it :( |
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| 00:07.57 | valdyn | maw_: the docs to nvidias drivers at http://www.nvidia.com |
| 00:08.00 | poonj | in the end though, linux is linux in my opinion..the software is all the same |
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| 00:08.08 | mwilson | hulo_: I don't have the slightest interest in "testing" distributions... I have every interest in getting useful things done with my box. |
| 00:08.36 | maw_ | valdyn, i have setup both screens |
| 00:08.45 | rixth | I have lots of broken images if i use the Fancy template. YOu can see a screenshot of waht Imean here, http://spectrumenterprises.no-ip.org/wtf.jpg |
| 00:08.48 | maw_ | but Xfree just chose one of them |
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| 00:09.24 | valdyn | maw_: because you didnt create a proper layout section? |
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| 00:09.33 | maw_ | yeah |
| 00:09.51 | maw_ | all i need to know is how i should be |
| 00:09.52 | maw_ | :P |
| 00:10.07 | valdyn | maw_: thats at www.nvidia.com too |
| 00:10.12 | maw_ | ah |
| 00:10.15 | maw_ | thank you |
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| 00:12.02 | rixth | So yes, can anyone offer any hints as to the thing with GnuCash? |
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| 00:12.33 | hulo_ | rixth: why not try #gnucash ? |
| 00:12.42 | rixth | Didn't know it existed :) |
| 00:12.59 | rixth | Because there is noly one other suer :) |
| 00:13.02 | rixth | user* |
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| 00:13.19 | hulo_ | then try the mailing list |
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| 00:14.41 | drasko_ | hi ll. Where can I find fonts, because I want to change fonts in MPlayer. It wants me to select the this new font location, and I can not find it. |
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| 00:15.10 | usynic | I know I've asked before... but is anyone good with software raid that could help me out with a slight problem? |
| 00:15.23 | usynic | one disk in my array doesn't come up at boot. |
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| 00:15.29 | usynic | I can add it later with mdadm |
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| 00:15.47 | hulo_ | drasko: try installing mplayer-fonts |
| 00:16.00 | usynic | wondering why it doesn't come up at boot. |
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| 00:16.57 | mwilson | usynic: Is the partition on it actually set to autostart? |
| 00:17.25 | drasko_ | hulo_, I alredy installed them... But where are they suppose to be? |
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| 00:18.01 | ama | with debian sarge, will i be able to use xfs as a default filesystem, or will there be an easy way to build a system around xfs |
| 00:18.05 | usynic | mwilson, well, it's in my lilo.conf, and in /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf |
| 00:18.10 | hulo_ | drasko: dpkg -L to list |
| 00:18.22 | drasko_ | hulo_, just found them... |
| 00:18.30 | mwilson | usynic: Neither of which are what I asked you, right? |
| 00:18.38 | usynic | mwilson, how can I tell? |
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| 00:19.18 | mwilson | Oh, you're an mdadm user? |
| 00:19.29 | usynic | yes. |
| 00:19.40 | usynic | damn. |
| 00:19.52 | mwilson | Never help people with mdadm. |
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| 00:20.27 | djperegrine | my apt-get is fucked up.... |
| 00:20.48 | djperegrine | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 00:20.50 | djperegrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.50 | djperegrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.50 | djperegrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.50 | djperegrine | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.53 | deadcat | djperegrine: did it ask you type type a long sentence? if not, then you having seen shit |
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| 00:21.02 | djperegrine | arg I forgot about that |
| 00:21.23 | mwilson | djperegrine: Tried reading the actual error message? |
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| 00:22.09 | djperegrine | join #flood |
| 00:22.12 | djperegrine | AERRg |
| 00:22.20 | djperegrine | Its in flood |
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| 00:22.31 | drasko_ | hulo_, but the fonts seems to have .raw extension and mplayer won't load them... |
| 00:22.41 | deadcat | whats /.hcwd for? |
| 00:22.47 | mwilson | I asked if YOU had read it... I have no reason to read it. |
| 00:22.56 | djperegrine | I did a apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 00:23.01 | djperegrine | apperenlty thats not good |
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| 00:23.12 | mwilson | Having read it, you can tell me what it is, rather than pasting some enormous quantity of text at me. |
| 00:23.18 | deadcat | djperegrine: next time just stick with apt-get upgrade |
| 00:23.25 | djperegrine | yea I know |
| 00:23.29 | djperegrine | I was reading a tourtial |
| 00:23.33 | djperegrine | it said to do it |
| 00:23.39 | mwilson | I doubt that. |
| 00:23.41 | djperegrine | I was scetable ... |
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| 00:23.53 | djperegrine | http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/DEV/Java+on+Debian |
| 00:23.57 | volve_ | hey all, if I see a package listed with 'apt-cache search', how can I find out which server that package would be pulled from upon install? (I just setup a new Sarge system and it's not seeing half the webmin packages that my other Sarge system is - same sources.list and everything...) |
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| 00:24.34 | EvilSporkMan | volve_: man apt-get (see --print-uris) |
| 00:24.35 | paulswm | without problems I hasten to add |
| 00:25.07 | volve_ | ah, thanks EvilSporkMan |
| 00:25.08 | mwilson | djperegrine: -u would make no changes... ergo, you didn't use -u. |
| 00:25.21 | paulswm | I was wondering that as well |
| 00:25.23 | kmaynard | sarge is pissing me off now |
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| 00:25.44 | deadcat | paulswm: last time when i apt-get dist-upgrade it tried to remove vim because vim-common was still not up to date. |
| 00:25.47 | kmaynard | it installs, but when i reboot, it asks me what runlevel to use...then it hangs |
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| 00:26.03 | paulswm | deadcat: I can only speak from my own experience |
| 00:26.05 | zuralin | hmm ive never had it ask me what runlevel to use |
| 00:26.12 | deadcat | paulswm: true |
| 00:26.16 | Maulkin | Ditto |
| 00:26.17 | kmaynard | can i install wooody, then upgrade to sarge? |
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| 00:26.19 | mwilson | Sarge does not ask what run level to use. |
| 00:26.27 | kmaynard | mwilson: wanna bet? |
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| 00:26.28 | zuralin | 2-5 are the same anyways |
| 00:26.35 | kmaynard | i know |
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| 00:26.51 | kmaynard | i think the installer is missing a step |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | he's good .. joins when he's sleeping |
| 00:26.54 | deadcat | kmaynard: yes you can. |
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| 00:27.07 | mwilson | kmaynard: No, 'cause I know quite well what it does. Now, admittedly, the -rc3 of d-i has just come out, and perhaps it's more broken now than -rc2 was... |
| 00:27.10 | Xsquared | where is the #debian channel log located? |
| 00:27.14 | paulswm | deadcat: I had noticed on occasion in the past that aptitude got a little overenthusiastic about removing what it considered "unused" packages |
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| 00:27.30 | volve_ | gah! now it's telling me a certain package isn't available... is it possible that 50% of the webmin packages are currently being updated or something? :-/ |
| 00:27.31 | kmaynard | mwilson: where can i find an image with rc2? |
| 00:27.32 | deadcat | paulswm: hehe. i try to stay away from aptitude |
| 00:27.33 | mwilson | Yes, because aptitude is crap. |
| 00:27.40 | mwilson | kmaynard: I have no idea. |
| 00:27.45 | kmaynard | rc3 isnt doing the tricks apparently |
| 00:27.54 | paulswm | I like it, it works find, but I only use command line |
| 00:27.57 | deadcat | kmaynard: i have rc2 on my desktop. |
| 00:27.58 | mwilson | Sounds more like pebkac. |
| 00:27.59 | paulswm | fine |
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| 00:28.01 | djperegrine | gurg |
| 00:28.02 | holo_ | anyone here has eterm from testing? the package doesn't seem to come with its executable |
| 00:28.04 | djperegrine | I am screwed |
| 00:28.17 | maher | kmaynard: how did you manage to get it to ask you about runlevel? are you sure its a debian install that is doing that? |
| 00:28.19 | jazzmans | !debian logs |
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| 00:28.24 | zuralin | try grabbing it from unstable then |
| 00:28.29 | jazzmans | !#debian logs |
| 00:28.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, #debian logs is at http://leguin.org.uk/debian/logs/ |
| 00:28.30 | volve_ | I can't seem to install webmin-sshd, webmin-squid, webmin-bind, webmin-lvm... "Package webmin-bind is not available, but is referred to by another package." :( |
| 00:28.36 | paulswm | You guys missed a good one earlier, it is immortalised in a qotd |
| 00:28.37 | mwilson | holo_: Really. Did you perhaps look at what the package installed? |
| 00:28.37 | kmaynard | maher: i'm using the sarge i386-netinst iso |
| 00:28.39 | Xsquared | thanks |
| 00:28.41 | paulswm | !qotd71 |
| 00:28.42 | dpkg | i guess qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 00:28.49 | paulswm | ^^ |
| 00:28.54 | ama | can i choose to use a xfs partition with debian sarge? |
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| 00:28.58 | kmaynard | maher: it finishes installing, then when it reboots it asks what runlevel to use... |
| 00:29.01 | zuralin | ama, yes |
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| 00:29.07 | mwilson | holo_: No, of course you didn't. |
| 00:29.07 | ama | thanks zuralin |
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| 00:29.21 | holo_ | mwilson yes i did |
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| 00:29.26 | holo_ | mwilson, are using that version? |
| 00:29.42 | maher | kmaynard: hmm... well i never heard of any version of debian ever asking anyone that before, but what do i kow... |
| 00:29.48 | mwilson | holo_: If you had, you wouldn't be asking the question, you'd know what the name of the binary was. |
| 00:30.01 | kmaynard | maher: thx...ive never had luck with debian-installer |
| 00:30.29 | djperegrine | worked awesomly for me |
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| 00:30.42 | deadcat | kmaynard: woody->testing is better than the d-i. in my opinion |
| 00:30.49 | holo_ | damm, why does it start with E 8-| |
| 00:31.01 | deadcat | holo_: cus you installed E? |
| 00:31.04 | mwilson | It's crap... you can't turn off the device auto-detect. |
| 00:31.23 | kmaynard | deadcat: i think i may do that |
| 00:31.36 | holo_ | deadcat, its the first command i see with a high case letter |
| 00:31.38 | mwilson | holo_: Gee, I guess you hadn't looked, had you? Why did you claim you had? |
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| 00:31.55 | daS | Why cant i use ctrl+d in lilo boot? |
| 00:31.57 | holo_ | mwilson, i forgot to search with case sensitive disabled |
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| 00:31.58 | deadcat | kmaynard: i like woody to sid because i dont have to install dicover, locale, and some other craps |
| 00:31.58 | kmaynard | deadcat: quick tip on how to change it from woody to sarge? link? |
| 00:32.13 | mwilson | Who said anything about searching? |
| 00:32.44 | holo_ | mwilson, you have your methods, i have mine, its the first time i see a command starting that way |
| 00:33.05 | daS | Why cant i use ctrl+d in lilo boot? - Is there anything to be enabled in lilo.conf before it work? |
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| 00:33.18 | mwilson | There must be something terribly difficult about just looking at the list of files a package installs. |
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| 00:33.33 | mowax | is it possible to install php with apt-get in sid? |
| 00:33.40 | deadcat | mowax: hell ya |
| 00:33.42 | mwilson | daS: What is it that ctrl-d is supposed to mean to lilo? |
| 00:33.45 | djperegrine | mwilsion, um open the .deb file in ark |
| 00:33.47 | deadcat | daS: whats ctrl D do? |
| 00:34.09 | daS | so i can pick a img to boot.. istn it ctrl+d ? |
| 00:34.11 | daS | or is it e? |
| 00:34.13 | mowax | eborn: Package php5 has no installation candidate |
| 00:34.20 | deadcat | daS: tab. or shift |
| 00:34.29 | djperegrine | use php4... |
| 00:34.35 | daS | shift +d ? deadcat ? |
| 00:34.52 | deadcat | daS: no. just hit tab tab or shifrt shift.... or something. |
| 00:35.14 | daS | mwilson, do you know what it is? |
| 00:35.25 | mwilson | tab once will do, just like the documentation says. Amazing thing, documentation... |
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| 00:37.04 | djperegrine | how do I fix apt-get? |
| 00:37.44 | deadcat | djperegrine: try removing the packages and reinstall them |
| 00:37.53 | mwilson | djperegrine: You haven't told anyone what's wrong with it yet. Hint... apt-get isn't broken. |
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| 00:38.20 | djperegrine | apt-get ins't broken, but some packages aren't being install |
| 00:38.21 | djperegrine | ed |
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| 00:38.40 | deadcat | djperegrine: apt-get is broken when it ask you to type "yes, i really know what i am doing" or something like that. |
| 00:38.40 | djperegrine | for example... |
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| 00:39.06 | djperegrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:39.20 | deadcat | djperegrine: tried apt-get install -f ? |
| 00:39.24 | djperegrine | yep |
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| 00:39.44 | deadcat | djperegrine: then remove libedje0 |
| 00:40.03 | jazzmans | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22but+it+is+not+going+to+be+installed%22&btnG=Search |
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| 00:40.25 | daS | tab in lilo boot aint working... |
| 00:40.29 | deadcat | Z |
| 00:40.32 | deadcat | oops |
| 00:40.32 | daS | i hit it 10/20times.. |
| 00:40.45 | daS | ctrl + z deadcat ? |
| 00:41.00 | deadcat | daS: no. that was a typo |
| 00:41.05 | abrotman | djperegrine: are you using debian or some derivative? |
| 00:41.32 | maher | daS: maybe you only have one image in lilo.conf |
| 00:41.46 | deadcat | daS: does lilo.conf have "prompt" ? |
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| 00:42.28 | daS | maher, no |
| 00:42.36 | daS | deadcat, the text "prompt" ? |
| 00:43.02 | djperegrine | how do I uninstall it ? |
| 00:43.07 | deadcat | my screen(1) is splitted into 3, instead of ^A+tab to next window, can i ^A+something to go back one? |
| 00:43.15 | deadcat | daS: grep prompt /etc/lilo.conf |
| 00:43.15 | djperegrine | abrotman I am using debian sarge |
| 00:43.15 | abrotman | djperegrine: are you using debian or some derivative? |
| 00:43.24 | daS | deadcat, its commented. |
| 00:43.26 | abrotman | djperegrine: did you use unofficial sources? |
| 00:43.29 | djperegrine | no |
| 00:43.32 | deadcat | daS: umcomment it |
| 00:43.32 | djperegrine | oh |
| 00:43.35 | djperegrine | yea I did |
| 00:43.53 | djperegrine | let me check |
| 00:44.34 | djperegrine | yea I did |
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| 00:45.08 | volve_ | So... anyone got any idea when a Webmin LVM2 package might be available? |
| 00:45.09 | acid-trip | how do i check to see if my usb devices are working |
| 00:45.34 | mwilson | volve_: Whenever someone thinks it might be necessary to upload one. |
| 00:45.43 | abrotman | djperegrine: well .. guess it didn't work so well |
| 00:45.46 | abrotman | acid-trip: lsusb ? |
| 00:45.46 | deadcat | acid-trip: use it |
| 00:45.55 | Raf256 | ( had just installed "csound" in synaptics, but there is no commend $ csound - how to check what program this that package proved / how to run it? |
| 00:46.09 | abrotman | dpkg -L csound |
| 00:46.10 | dpkg | No packages found matching csound |
| 00:46.11 | poonj | hey guys, in gnome, a regular user could restart/shutdown the computer. where would I turn that feature off? |
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| 00:46.20 | deadcat | Raf256: dpkg -L csound |
| 00:46.21 | poonj | also, automounting cds |
| 00:46.32 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 00:46.45 | fusion | Hi, anyone experience problems with mdadm saying device not found after rebooting, even though it worked perfectly well before rebooting? |
| 00:46.50 | hulo_ | poonj: you mean in gdm? run gdmconfig as root or edit the conf file in /etc/gdm |
| 00:46.54 | volve_ | mwilson: what a winning response, thanks! ;) |
| 00:47.01 | deadcat | hulo_: gnome |
| 00:47.02 | mwilson | poonj: Now, now... the Gnome people know better than you... you actually want them to automount. |
| 00:47.08 | acid-trip | abrotman: lsusb dun work |
| 00:47.09 | maher | poonj: duct tape over the power switch |
| 00:47.17 | poonj | hulo_: yeah. okay |
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| 00:47.22 | mwilson | volve_: I'm sorry you have some sort of problem with the truth. |
| 00:47.32 | poonj | mwilson: so its an automatic thing? |
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| 00:47.34 | hulo_ | deadcat: afaik gnome itself has no shutdown ability. only gdm does |
| 00:47.37 | poonj | mwilson: no way to configure? |
| 00:47.46 | abrotman | dun? |
| 00:47.52 | deadcat | hulo_: oh. what about that logoff/shutdown/reboot thing? |
| 00:47.53 | abrotman | acid-trip: define doesn't work |
| 00:48.01 | poonj | brb |
| 00:48.11 | deadcat | acid-trip: use the fucking usb device |
| 00:48.16 | acid-trip | command not found |
| 00:48.18 | hulo_ | deadcat: only one i know of is part of gdm. |
| 00:48.21 | abrotman | so install it |
| 00:48.24 | abrotman | !find bin/lsusb |
| 00:48.25 | acid-trip | deadcat: i'm trying to unload a usb mass storage |
| 00:48.30 | deadcat | hulo_: ohhh |
| 00:48.31 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lsusb' (1): (/usr/bin/lsusb, /usr/sbin/lsusb) in utils/usbutils. |
| 00:48.35 | acid-trip | with my built in usb ports |
| 00:48.39 | hulo_ | i don't run gnome-panel though |
| 00:48.42 | volve_ | mwilson: the truth isn't at issue; snide, rhetorical responses however... |
| 00:48.42 | deadcat | acid-trip: cat /proc/partitions and check for sd* |
| 00:48.46 | fusion | please, can someone help with my raid problem? |
| 00:48.47 | hulo_ | thank god |
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| 00:48.51 | [Elad] | hello all :) |
| 00:49.03 | [Elad] | how can I play *.WMV files please? |
| 00:49.12 | acid-trip | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.13 | acid-trip | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:49.14 | deadcat | [Elad]: mplayer or xine |
| 00:49.17 | mwilson | volve_: Then it's a good thing the response I gave you isn't either one of those, wouldn't you say? |
| 00:49.18 | deadcat | acid-trip: there. WORKS |
| 00:49.25 | findme | totem ? |
| 00:49.40 | phogg | [Elad]: xine, mplayer, (sometimes). Microsoft Windows (always |
| 00:49.42 | Xsquared | jazzmans: it doesn't exist |
| 00:49.43 | [Elad] | deadcat, but with mplayer there is just sound with no picure |
| 00:49.56 | [Elad] | *pictures |
| 00:49.58 | jazzmans | Xsquared, ? |
| 00:49.59 | deadcat | [Elad]: find the right codec or something |
| 00:50.01 | abrotman | acid-trip: and? |
| 00:50.04 | phogg | [Elad]: what version of WMV is it? |
| 00:50.22 | Xsquared | jazzmans: the log. Domain name not found. |
| 00:50.32 | [Elad] | I don't know... it's the regular |
| 00:50.45 | acid-trip | how do i mount them to access ot |
| 00:50.55 | djperegrine | dpkg: error processing libedje0 (--remove): |
| 00:50.56 | djperegrine | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.56 | jazzmans | oh yeah, bummer, that's what dpkg says, dunno where else, does debian.org have the logs as well? |
| 00:50.59 | phogg | [Elad]: there is no regular |
| 00:51.05 | djperegrine | Ok I fixed that |
| 00:51.13 | deadcat | acid-trip: sudo mkdir /mnt/sda1 && sudo mount -o user /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 |
| 00:51.15 | djperegrine | yea it deffently has to do with the non offical sources |
| 00:51.29 | [Elad] | ojju8.wmv: Microsoft ASF |
| 00:51.33 | phogg | [Elad]: not all versions of the codecs used in WMV are well supported |
| 00:51.35 | abrotman | djperegrine: you may have to add the source back in |
| 00:51.38 | Xsquared | jazzmans: ok, thanks anyway |
| 00:51.48 | volve_ | mwilson: well how about, redundant? I'm pretty sure we can both agree it was unecessary. |
| 00:51.52 | acid-trip | usbfs /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw 0 0 |
| 00:51.52 | djperegrine | they are still there.... |
| 00:51.54 | acid-trip | wtf is taht |
| 00:51.55 | acid-trip | lol |
| 00:52.03 | abrotman | what is what? |
| 00:52.07 | maher | volve_: do you understand how debian works? |
| 00:52.13 | deadcat | acid-trip: mount the mother fucker |
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| 00:52.36 | acid-trip | brb |
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| 00:52.44 | mwilson | volve_: Exactly how was it redundant, please? |
| 00:52.45 | acid-trip | nm |
| 00:52.52 | mwilson | volve_: Be specific. |
| 00:52.52 | acid-trip | do i have to make an entry in my fstab? |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | deadcat: it's a usb device .. sounds messy |
| 00:52.55 | [Elad] | # apt-get install xine |
| 00:52.55 | [Elad] | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 00:52.55 | [Elad] | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 00:52.55 | [Elad] | E: Couldn't find package xine |
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| 00:52.57 | abrotman | ace2001ac: you don't |
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| 00:53.05 | abrotman | [Elad]: are you stupid? |
| 00:53.05 | [Elad] | sorry |
| 00:53.07 | abrotman | read the damn topic |
| 00:53.11 | kmaynard | ok, it worked this time...i dont think sarge liked having var and etc on another disk |
| 00:53.11 | deadcat | abrotman: HAHAHAH |
| 00:53.19 | [Elad] | sorry, I'm really sorry... |
| 00:53.29 | deadcat | xine-ui |
| 00:53.30 | [Elad] | :| |
| 00:53.35 | maher | volve_: the developers are volunteers and work largely independently - any could upload something at any time, or not - check the bts for intent to package bugs filed on what you want |
| 00:53.47 | abrotman | [Elad]: paste in #flood(and tell whoever is helping you to join you there) or /msg dpkg paste |
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| 00:54.07 | acid-trip | hmm |
| 00:54.13 | [Elad] | abrotman, ok, I got it. |
| 00:54.16 | acid-trip | i dont' have sudoers file |
| 00:54.19 | phogg | [Elad]: always search first. apt-cache search xine says there are 30 packages mentioning xine |
| 00:54.20 | [Elad] | thanks deadcat |
| 00:54.32 | [Elad] | 10x |
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| 00:54.49 | EfaistOs | where can i get debian sarge iso ? |
| 00:54.50 | nemozny | debian is unix, not linux? |
| 00:54.54 | abrotman | [Elad]: /msg dpkg search |
| 00:54.55 | fusion | you'll need the w32codecs too [Elad] |
| 00:55.02 | maher | nemozny: semantics |
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| 00:55.10 | nemozny | ok |
| 00:55.14 | abrotman | nemozny: it is linux .. linux is not approved by some standards group as Unix |
| 00:55.14 | fusion | dpkg, tell [Elad] about marillat |
| 00:55.15 | volve_ | Why can't I have a simple little arguement with someone on IRC without someone else coming along and interjecting with an non-applicable spiel... gah |
| 00:55.22 | [Elad] | fusion, I know but I didn't found it in the apt-get |
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| 00:55.32 | fusion | dpkg tells you how :) |
| 00:55.34 | nemozny | abrotman: thx |
| 00:55.35 | maher | nemozny: the kernel most people use with debian is the linux kernel, in theory you could use hurd or freebsd |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | or maybe that's as Posix . i can't remember |
| 00:55.46 | volve_ | maher: thank you, but you mis-interpretted my question |
| 00:55.49 | nemozny | heh |
| 00:55.58 | djperegrine | Gurrg |
| 00:56.13 | abrotman | nemozny: as maher said .. debian is actually a project .. most use Debian/GNU Linux .. but Hurd and Debian/BSD do exist |
| 00:56.17 | maher | volve_: umm... ask the question a different way and see if I understand that way... :) |
| 00:56.38 | maher | nemozny: in practice there are difficulties using a non-linux kernel |
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| 00:57.27 | djperegrine | Ok nm |
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| 00:57.31 | djperegrine | I fixed it :D |
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| 00:57.59 | nemozny | so as ive seen it til now, diffs between linux and unix fade out..? |
| 00:58.17 | ama | linux is quickly becoming the standard |
| 00:58.29 | ama | as most unix vendors provide a linux compatibility layer |
| 00:58.39 | ama | or have discontinued their unix entirely, like sgi |
| 00:58.39 | nemozny | exactly |
| 00:58.40 | maher | nemozny: unix history is long and compicated - userlands are pretty similar from a use point of view |
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| 00:59.48 | volve_ | maher: I was merely inquirring as to whether anybody had an ETA on when a webmin module for LVM2 might be available. I am not, -as certain people seem to think- thinking I am entitled to a new module, or that one is definitely being created. |
| 00:59.52 | djperegrine | w00t |
| 00:59.54 | djperegrine | fixed it |
| 00:59.54 | ama | anyone think debian sarge iwll be released tommorow? |
| 00:59.59 | WillySilly | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 10059 package `smbclient': |
| 00:59.59 | WillySilly | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:00.03 | WillySilly | what does that mean? |
| 01:00.29 | deadcat | ama: realeased last tue |
| 01:00.41 | jazzmans | !wwsr |
| 01:00.42 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, near the end of march 2005. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge> |
| 01:01.26 | maher | WillySilly: you status file is broken |
| 01:01.26 | abrotman | volve_: is there a #webmin ? |
| 01:01.59 | maher | volve_: if you checked for itp's you probably know more than anyone here |
| 01:02.12 | ama | what is N? |
| 01:02.21 | deadcat | ama: guess |
| 01:02.24 | WillySilly | and how do i fix it? |
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| 01:02.35 | ama | dunno, infinite? |
| 01:02.40 | deadcat | ama: ya |
| 01:02.59 | ama | seriously though i want to get this server up by tommorow |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | ama: so put it up |
| 01:03.08 | Nosf3ratu | what determines the amount of time before a harddrive spins down? just the bios or is there a config file somewhere? |
| 01:03.09 | abrotman | ama: is it external? |
| 01:03.10 | ama | so hopefully itll be released tommorow, based on sarge :/ |
| 01:03.19 | deadcat | ama: it released on last tue.. told you already |
| 01:03.22 | Nosf3ratu | i know hdparm can do it, but i don't have it installed on this machine, in this case. |
| 01:03.22 | ama | internal, but is the upgrade process from woody to sarge easy? |
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| 01:03.28 | volve_ | oh well |
| 01:03.32 | volve_ | thanks all |
| 01:03.32 | abrotman | ama: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 01:03.40 | maher | WillySilly: try copying status to status-broken and try replacing status with status-old |
| 01:04.21 | maher | Nosf3ratu: upgrades are easy |
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| 01:04.32 | abrotman | maher: say what? |
| 01:04.33 | Nosf3ratu | maher, what? |
| 01:04.38 | abrotman | he didn't ask about upgrades :) |
| 01:04.43 | abrotman | !confuse maher |
| 01:04.44 | dpkg | No, what are my bacon tomorrow, maher? lederhosen of the people's republic of belarus with extra anchovies |
| 01:04.45 | Nosf3ratu | :( |
| 01:04.49 | Nosf3ratu | haha |
| 01:04.53 | Nosf3ratu | that's a good factoid |
| 01:05.06 | maher | oops - s/Nosf3ratu/ama/ |
| 01:05.12 | Nosf3ratu | maher, it happens :) |
| 01:05.18 | WillySilly | where are they located? |
| 01:05.27 | deadcat | this redhat user i know complained that upgrading his redhat using apt-get or yum didnt work or something so i told him about debian's dist-upgrade but he refused to believe me that it will work, so i just go what ever... feel free to download 3 cds for your fucking upgrade |
| 01:05.36 | ama | can i find a list anywhere of hardware woody supports, i have a usb wireless network thinger, that has support from wlan-ng drivers; however i need to know if debian will install the modules to this by default or if i have to fetch them and upgrade my kernel? |
| 01:05.37 | maher | WillySilly: /var/lib/dpkg |
| 01:05.55 | abrotman | !woody hardware support |
| 01:05.55 | dpkg | hmm... woody hardware support is firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
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| 01:05.59 | deadcat | ama: the fuck. server with wireless? |
| 01:06.04 | abrotman | uhm |
| 01:06.15 | ama | yeah |
| 01:06.17 | Nosf3ratu | ama, afaik, there isn't one master list, because it changes quite a bit. however, googling it will help. |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | !woody hardware support =~ s/e100,// |
| 01:06.18 | dpkg | OK, abrotman |
| 01:06.22 | ama | its slower, but i dont plan on using it often |
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| 01:06.47 | deadcat | ama: compile your own kernel and the linux-wlan-ng driver. it will work |
| 01:06.48 | abrotman | ama: your server uses usb wireless? |
| 01:06.53 | suzzi | howdy all |
| 01:06.57 | Nosf3ratu | hi suzzi |
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| 01:07.32 | suzzi | This has happend a few times and it's really frustraing but why would my ssh session seem to change codepages... it was just fine and now I'm looking at jibberish? |
| 01:07.45 | abrotman | suzzi: ctrl-l ? |
| 01:07.51 | abrotman | ctrl-L |
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| 01:08.05 | fusion | Hi can someone please help me out? My DNS seems to have gone on my debian box but windows is fine and windows can ssh to the debian box.. |
| 01:08.19 | ama | it will abrotman |
| 01:08.21 | suzzi | abrotman: that doesnt seem to be doing anything |
| 01:08.26 | abrotman | ama: that's no server :) |
| 01:08.31 | [Elad] | I download the w32codecs and it's work, thank u all for ur help :)) |
| 01:08.33 | deadcat | fusion: /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | suzzi: change codepages? |
| 01:08.37 | ama | it will be a server, when i set it up :/ |
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| 01:08.48 | abrotman | ama: not with wireless usb :) |
| 01:08.56 | ama | why not? |
| 01:09.02 | abrotman | no freaking way :) |
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| 01:09.07 | deadcat | abrotman: if thats what the brotehr want. let him |
| 01:09.15 | ama | its happening |
| 01:09.19 | jd86 | I've just done a debian sarge install, i followed everything and it seemed to go well, i went to remove lpr and a locales config screen came up, en-iso-somenumbers came up and it looked right so i hit ok, and it said set default to and i left it on en and it died, now i tried again and it says quite a few things but it it said error processing locales (--configure_ and it said errors were encountered while processing locales. |
| 01:09.19 | abrotman | no freaking way :) |
| 01:09.29 | suzzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.29 | ama | yes freaking way! |
| 01:09.41 | abrotman | jd86: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 01:10.02 | abrotman | suzzi: try another term? |
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| 01:10.18 | g23 | Hey I had a quick question. |
| 01:10.18 | g23 | Can I burn an installer disc I can mail to an ISP that would bootstrap an SSH connection where I could finish do the full installation remotely. |
| 01:10.18 | g23 | I know that Gentoo can do this... But my favorite disto (only :) distro) is Debian |
| 01:10.37 | abrotman | g23: woody or sarge? |
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| 01:10.57 | jd86 | abrotman: it still complains about it, it says perl: warning: setting locale failed then please check your locale settings LANGUAGE= blah blbh ablh are supported and installed on your system Perl warning falling back to locale "C" then it says cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale no suuch file or directy and then LC)_MESSAGES and LC_ALL to default locale but no such file or directory and it says dpkg-reconfigure locales is proken or not fully insta |
| 01:10.58 | jd86 | lled |
| 01:11.08 | fusion | deadcat I tried to change in /etc/resolv.conf to another server but it still does not work |
| 01:11.19 | abrotman | jd86: locale-gen > |
| 01:11.20 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:11.28 | suzzi | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.28 | deadcat | fusion: does route give you anything? gateway? |
| 01:11.37 | abrotman | suzzi: which terminal app do you use? |
| 01:11.57 | jd86 | abrotman: now it says en.ISO-8859-1... cannot open locale definition file `en': no such file or directory |
| 01:12.04 | fusion | deadcat: localnet * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:12.04 | fusion | default 10.0.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:12.17 | abrotman | jd86: apt-get --reinstall install locales |
| 01:12.28 | deadcat | fusion: try 147.144.1.250 as dns server |
| 01:12.33 | suzzi | abrotman: well I'm sshing from my power book via OSX term.app but the server is debian, the connection is SSH, |
| 01:12.50 | abrotman | suzzi: hrm .. i'm not sure why it's turning to garbage .. what are you doing when it does that? |
| 01:12.51 | suzzi | if I connect to the server again it's just fine. and I dont know what I did to corupt things? |
| 01:13.05 | jd86 | abrotman: it fails error processing locales (--configure) and it said subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 4 errors encountered while processing :locales |
| 01:13.16 | hDy | whats a good apt ftp server for the US? |
| 01:13.19 | abrotman | jd86: i'm not sure what you've done .. sounds bad |
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| 01:13.26 | jd86 | abrotman: its a brand new install |
| 01:13.26 | abrotman | hDy: debian.org/mirrors |
| 01:13.26 | suzzi | abrotman: I have a kernel recomile in the background and had just started up apitude WAMO jibberish ? |
| 01:13.31 | abrotman | jd86: try again? |
| 01:13.37 | abrotman | jd86: i'm not sure what happened .. sounds odd |
| 01:13.39 | fusion | deadcat that seems to work thanks..dont spose you know much about RAID / mdadm? |
| 01:13.53 | jd86 | abrotman: same old thing. is there some way i can install the locales normally then re apt-get em? |
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| 01:13.57 | abrotman | suzzi: oh .. i wonder if ncurses doesn't work so well with the osx term.app .. but i cant say .. i have no mac |
| 01:13.58 | deadcat | fusion: did it once for a friend but have no clue now |
| 01:14.05 | jd86 | abrotman: i'm a gentoo man but this system is small and slow so i stuck debian on there so i'm no pro |
| 01:14.18 | fusion | I have just reinstalled after I have been having problems and I still have the problem I had :/ |
| 01:14.42 | abrotman | jd86: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/locales<tab> |
| 01:14.46 | fusion | it always works until I reboot, then it says cannot find /dev/md0 |
| 01:14.47 | deadcat | osx terminal app sucks |
| 01:14.56 | suzzi | abrotman: humm that could be it. I'm not completely freaking out about it, i'm running screen so I just ditch this connection and restart a new one... just trying to fix it so that it stops happing. |
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| 01:15.08 | deadcat | suzzi: how you make things in osx transparent? like the ternals and stuff |
| 01:15.22 | suzzi | I'll go see if I can find stuff on term.app and ncurses |
| 01:15.26 | abrotman | suzzi: i'm waiting for a more osx-ish person to appear to say it may be a known problem |
| 01:15.27 | jd86 | abrotman: heh i kinda dont have them there.i killed everything under var/cache/apt/archives because it was rather large and its on a very small device (cf) |
| 01:15.35 | abrotman | jd86: doh! |
| 01:15.40 | suzzi | deadcat: I think thats something that has to be set up with the app |
| 01:15.46 | abrotman | jd86: apt-get -d install locales |
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| 01:15.58 | abrotman | karsten: waiting for you to wake up :) |
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| 01:16.03 | abrotman | karsten: are you really k-dog too? |
| 01:16.06 | deadcat | suzzi: doh.. |
| 01:16.13 | deadcat | hes k-god |
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| 01:16.31 | abrotman | k-dog: hi |
| 01:16.35 | abrotman | :) |
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| 01:16.50 | suzzi | deadcat: you can do it with term.app go to the color section in 'window settings' and theres a transparecy setting |
| 01:16.51 | jd86 | abrotman: it said need to get 0 b of archives after unpackign bla bla bla, i jsut rm -rf the entire archives directory but not the two other things in there, should i rm -rf the whole thing? |
| 01:16.56 | heap | Hi I hava a sony vaio new laptop, building a custom kernel for it, is APM something I should have ? |
| 01:17.01 | jd86 | abrotman: i didnt know what pkgcache.bin was |
| 01:17.04 | deadcat | suzzi: ok. let me try. |
| 01:17.06 | jd86 | abrotman: or srcpkgcache |
| 01:17.09 | jd86 | .bin |
| 01:17.22 | abrotman | jd86: no .. it should get that package again |
| 01:17.26 | suzzi | deadcat: but as far as I know there is no global way that you can set the alpha on just any window |
| 01:17.29 | jd86 | abrotman: it didnt |
| 01:17.32 | abrotman | jd86: you can do the install again .. if you want |
| 01:17.33 | deadcat | suzzi: ok |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | jd86: why not? |
| 01:17.45 | abrotman | jd86: apt-get clean;apt-get install -d locales |
| 01:17.48 | abrotman | err |
| 01:17.53 | abrotman | jd86: apt-get clean;apt-get -d install locales |
| 01:18.09 | fusion | Can someone please help me out. I am having problems with raid. I try to do mdadm -A /dev/md0 but it reports that the device does not exist. My /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf file is intact and correct. I have reinstalled since, and have the same problem. This is on Debian Sarge. It works right after I install, but after I reboot, it does not. |
| 01:18.11 | suzzi | deadcat: there might be some hack some where that someone has written but I really havent looked |
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| 01:18.25 | deadcat | abrotman: -d can be before or after i think |
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| 01:18.40 | poonj | alright! got ndiswrapper to work |
| 01:18.40 | abrotman | deadcat: better not to risk it :) |
| 01:18.42 | deadcat | suzzi: i've seen one guy with most of his shits translucent. |
| 01:18.48 | deadcat | abrotman: HAHAHAH |
| 01:18.58 | abrotman | deadcat: not healthy to have shits be translucent |
| 01:19.06 | jd86 | abrotman: still didnt download it |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | jd86: error message? |
| 01:19.24 | suzzi | deadcat: humm... then it's probablly some bit that you can change if you play with an apps prefs file with Xtools |
| 01:19.29 | jd86 | abrotman: none |
| 01:19.38 | abrotman | jd86: uhm .. something is very wrong .. |
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| 01:19.51 | jd86 | abrotman: let me ssh in so i can copy the output, ok? |
| 01:19.51 | abrotman | jd86: it didn't download anything? |
| 01:19.55 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:19.57 | suzzi | deadcat: I wish I had some time, it looks like OSX is very configurable you just need to know where to look |
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| 01:20.06 | abrotman | jd86: use #flood |
| 01:20.12 | jd86 | can i pm it to you? |
| 01:20.18 | abrotman | jd86: rather you use #flood |
| 01:20.21 | jd86 | ok |
| 01:20.24 | g23 | I am looking into getting a colo server with an ISP and need to know if there is any way it burn a CD to start the installer and open an SSH server where I could remotely do the installation. |
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| 01:20.34 | jd86 | abrotman: you in there? |
| 01:20.42 | abrotman | g23: i asked you 15 minutes ago .. woody or sarge |
| 01:20.52 | g23 | Sorry Sarge |
| 01:20.55 | crackhead | I just downloaded a deb file....how do I install it? |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | !tell g23 about debootstrap |
| 01:21.01 | deadcat | suzzi: ah. transparenting on the terminal now hehe |
| 01:21.05 | findme | crackhead, dpkg -i .dev |
| 01:21.05 | abrotman | g23: i think that will work remotely |
| 01:21.10 | findme | crackhead, dpkg -i .deb |
| 01:21.11 | phogg | crackhead: insert it into your ear |
| 01:21.20 | deadcat | suzzi: i only use it to demo to people. |
| 01:21.21 | crackhead | findme: thanks! |
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| 01:22.26 | karsten | abrotman: Sometimes. |
| 01:22.30 | suzzi | deadcat: osx or term.app ? |
| 01:22.39 | abrotman | karsten: que? |
| 01:22.40 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:22.51 | k-dog | abrotman: I was using a second connection to test for join spam w/o having to leave channel. |
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| 01:22.59 | deadcat | suzzi: osx on debian with mol |
| 01:23.04 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:23.07 | suzzi | deadcat: ahh |
| 01:23.35 | poonj | hey guys.. |
| 01:23.40 | deadcat | suzzi: with loopback file |
| 01:23.44 | deadcat | poonj: what up g |
| 01:23.53 | silverblood | grettings all, is it possible to install deb on an installfest |
| 01:23.54 | poonj | which program do I use in the wireless-tools to see what kind of signal I am getting? |
| 01:24.00 | poonj | iwlist? |
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| 01:24.56 | deadcat | silverblood: fuck ya |
| 01:25.02 | silverblood | rather, is it possible to install deb on an eMachine? |
| 01:25.06 | poonj | whats up deadcat |
| 01:25.10 | deadcat | poonj: try wavemon |
| 01:25.15 | poonj | okay |
| 01:25.18 | deadcat | silverblood: google. |
| 01:25.26 | popup_killer2005 | some please |
| 01:25.32 | popup_killer2005 | channel spanish |
| 01:25.36 | karsten | deadcat: Not appropriate |
| 01:25.38 | deadcat | !spanish |
| 01:25.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:25.41 | popup_killer2005 | debian |
| 01:25.41 | hulo_ | SiliconViper: yes |
| 01:25.42 | silverblood | thanks dead, anybody with something constructive? |
| 01:25.46 | hulo_ | silverblood: yes |
| 01:25.51 | popup_killer2005 | thank you dpkg |
| 01:25.52 | dpkg | sure thing, popup_killer2005 |
| 01:25.57 | karsten | silverblood: Ignore deadcat, he's off his meds. |
| 01:26.04 | silverblood | I have googled, I'm getting jack |
| 01:26.05 | phogg | dpkg: one day you will be a real boy |
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| 01:26.26 | SiliconViper | hulo_, ... ? |
| 01:26.30 | karsten | silverblood: Yes, you can do Debian on an eMachine. Box brand matters a hell of a lot less than specific components. |
| 01:26.33 | silverblood | it just dies after the base install |
| 01:26.40 | hulo_ | sorry, sivlerblood not you |
| 01:26.59 | SiliconViper | hulo_, ah, no worries then. |
| 01:27.20 | karsten | silverblood: Which install. Sarge netinst is recommended for new home/SOHO use on broadband connections. |
| 01:27.23 | abrotman | jd86: sounds like somehow .. you really messed up the system |
| 01:27.23 | jd86 | yea abrotman this is like wieerd |
| 01:27.29 | abrotman | jd86: you have broadband? |
| 01:27.30 | jd86 | abrotman: i think it messed itself up.. |
| 01:27.38 | karsten | deadcat: What's eating you? |
| 01:27.39 | jd86 | abrotman: faaast broadband (as i use gentoo, i need it!) |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | jd86: i've never seen anyone have that happen |
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| 01:27.47 | abrotman | jd86: which install ISO did you use> |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | ? |
| 01:27.50 | silverblood | i600 |
| 01:27.51 | karsten | !tell silverblood about d-i |
| 01:27.57 | silverblood | oops |
| 01:28.00 | jd86 | abrotman: i got a sarge one at a linux world expo 2005 |
| 01:28.18 | abrotman | jd86: uhm .. that's severely outdated :) |
| 01:28.24 | deadcat | karsten: what you mean? springbreak (= |
| 01:28.24 | abrotman | jd86: now i'm not surprised |
| 01:28.26 | jd86 | how outdated could it be? |
| 01:28.45 | abrotman | jd86: the RC3 version just released 3 days ago . and basically broke older installers :) |
| 01:28.48 | abrotman | jd86: http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 01:28.54 | jd86 | and ugh i hate when install cds actually make a difference, abrotman it installed it from the net and updated all packages when it first booted ... i dont get all this install medium making a difference thing |
| 01:28.58 | abrotman | jd86: try that .. see if the problems repeats :) |
| 01:29.00 | jd86 | abrotman: you mean i have to redo it? |
| 01:29.02 | jd86 | uuuuugh |
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| 01:29.13 | abrotman | jd86: my locales foo is not strong enoguh :) |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | jd86: how slow is the machine? |
| 01:29.40 | silverblood | I grabbed the rc4 via torrents, better to use an older with a celeron? |
| 01:29.42 | jd86 | abrotman: 533 but the install medium is compact flash over an ide to cf adapter. |
| 01:29.59 | jd86 | and only 133 mhz |
| 01:30.01 | abrotman | jd86: basically .. stage2(IIRC) of your debian install got goofed |
| 01:30.10 | hulo_ | silverblood: no |
| 01:30.14 | abrotman | jd86: won't boot off CD ? |
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| 01:30.19 | jd86 | abrotman: maybe you can answer this how do i have it install only the basic crap not all the extra stuff i watched scroll down the screen |
| 01:30.23 | jd86 | abrotman: it will once i put a cdrom drive back in |
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| 01:30.27 | jd86 | :( |
| 01:30.40 | fusion | /dev 35G 2.0G 31G 6% /dev/.static/dev |
| 01:30.43 | abrotman | jd86: when you use the netinst .. you install what's on the CD .. then install everything else as you need it |
| 01:30.44 | fusion | bah. |
| 01:30.51 | fusion | Okay anyway what does that MEAN? |
| 01:30.53 | abrotman | jd86: that ISO i pointed you to has at least a bootable system |
| 01:31.05 | jd86 | abrotman: ok |
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| 01:31.23 | abrotman | jd86: sorry .. i guess that's what happens when you use an older installer .. sorry :) |
| 01:31.44 | jd86 | abrotman: too used to gentoo i guess |
| 01:32.03 | abrotman | jd86: they have other installers that wouldn't have broken .. but you got unlucky with what they were giving out |
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| 01:32.10 | jd86 | abrotman: does this mean that in a few weeks it'll break and i'll be doing this again? |
| 01:32.18 | abrotman | jd86: the whole install or the isntall CD ? |
| 01:32.19 | hDy | startx command not found.. just installed, does this mean I need to get XFree86? |
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| 01:32.27 | hDy | I thought Debian had it by default :/ |
| 01:32.36 | abrotman | hDy: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 01:32.39 | jd86 | abrotman: huh? |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | jd86: what will break? |
| 01:32.48 | fusion | is it safe to remove udev. |
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| 01:32.54 | abrotman | jd86: the installed machien or the CD i just pointed you at? |
| 01:33.03 | jd86 | abrotman: if i use this cd your'e giving me will the install break in a few weeks |
| 01:33.05 | tinman | hi i have a deb system with no kde or anything what do i need to install to get kde running? |
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| 01:33.11 | jd86 | abrotman: the machine |
| 01:33.12 | abrotman | jd86: the machine will be fine .. |
| 01:33.30 | abrotman | jd86: my laptop i'm using now .. i installed debian .. 1.5 years ago .. and upgraded .. no reinstall ever |
| 01:33.34 | jd86 | abrotman: i'm rethinking this debian on that machine anywho |
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| 01:33.55 | Smerdyakov | Anyone running testing had any problems where Mailman stops automatically updating the HTML archives of lists? |
| 01:33.56 | abrotman | jd86: it's quite easy . once you use it a bit .. your life will be changed<insert angelic sound here) |
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| 01:34.09 | michal_ | what happens when you feed a 5v to a 12v fan? |
| 01:34.16 | jd86 | michal_: it goes fast |
| 01:34.18 | abrotman | it goes slow :) |
| 01:34.21 | abrotman | slow |
| 01:34.22 | jd86 | michal_: oops |
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| 01:34.24 | jd86 | i thought u said the inverse |
| 01:34.26 | sobersabre | is there a way to get cursor position in xterm without curses ? |
| 01:34.27 | abrotman | if at all |
| 01:34.28 | jd86 | michal_: it goes slow |
| 01:34.29 | tinman | anyone plz? |
| 01:34.45 | michal_ | abrotman, is that all? does it damage the fan? |
| 01:34.50 | sobersabre | tinman, why do you cry ? |
| 01:35.02 | abrotman | michal_: if it moves at all .. it might not be enough |
| 01:35.09 | silverblood | right-o, I'll grab a list of hareware specs and give it another go, at least I know it should be possible, thanks all |
| 01:35.18 | jd86 | abrotman: i wonder.. that cd i got for sarge back then didnt hav emuch on it it was only netinstall i thought, bout same size as this one :-\ |
| 01:35.28 | tinman | i need to know what i need to install to get kde running all i have is the core and apt |
| 01:35.32 | michal_ | abrot: oh it moves.. i'm trying to replace a lound 5v fan with a quieter fan.. but i can only find 12v fans to replace it with |
| 01:35.41 | michal_ | s/lound/loud |
| 01:35.51 | abrotman | jd86: right .. but the debian-installer team warned us a few weeks ago that most older installers would break while/once RC3 was prepared/released |
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| 01:36.13 | abrotman | michal_: i don't think it will damage anything |
| 01:36.17 | jd86 | abrotman: well thats the way it goes |
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| 01:36.34 | fanti | my touchpad fires a doubleclick event (2leftclicked in a row) even if i touch the field once. any ideas why and how to fix that? |
| 01:36.36 | michal_ | was there a particular reason 2.6.8 was decided on? or was it just a matter of having to freeze at some stage and 2.6.8 was the latest at the time? |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman | jd86: yeah .. sarge is still being developed .. but it's a good process |
| 01:36.50 | jd86 | ugh where did i throw that cdrom |
| 01:36.54 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:36.55 | jd86 | ah here it is |
| 01:37.07 | hDy | what x server driver should I use? |
| 01:37.12 | tinman | sobersabre- ? |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | !clean jd86's room |
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| 01:37.21 | abrotman | how can dpkg not know clean? |
| 01:37.29 | jd86 | abrotman: hmm that would take quite a large task force |
| 01:37.33 | abrotman | hDy: the one for your card |
| 01:37.36 | michal_ | !tidy abrotman's room |
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| 01:37.51 | michal_ | or tidy |
| 01:37.52 | abrotman | !cleanse jd86's room |
| 01:37.53 | dpkg | Come here, jd86's room. I have an extra-large enema bag with your name on it. |
| 01:37.55 | abrotman | yay |
| 01:37.56 | WillySilly | man, this is weird |
| 01:37.57 | jd86 | abrotman: i'll clean ur room if u clean mine |
| 01:37.58 | sobersabre | tinman... apt-get install kde ?\ |
| 01:37.59 | abrotman | uh |
| 01:38.04 | abrotman | jd86: mine is fairly clean |
| 01:38.08 | jd86 | :) |
| 01:38.15 | abrotman | jd86: and i have an apt :) |
| 01:38.19 | jd86 | sounds like a deal |
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| 01:38.29 | WillySilly | my printer keeps stopping |
| 01:38.39 | abrotman | printers kill trees |
| 01:38.40 | jd86 | WillySilly: thats too bad |
| 01:38.46 | jd86 | abrotman: and that causes more people to have jobs |
| 01:38.55 | michal_ | does anyone here know how to recover intel etherexpress pro cards which have "reset" their eeprom? |
| 01:39.02 | abrotman | jd86: killing trees? |
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| 01:39.57 | WillySilly | cups is stupid |
| 01:40.02 | jd86 | abrotman: yes cuz then you got people to cut down the trees they get paid and then you got people to protest about it.. and then people to plant new trees... it causes jobs all around nevermind the production of the trees |
| 01:40.03 | abrotman | printers are stupid :) |
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| 01:40.15 | jd86 | WillySilly: wineglasses is stupid |
| 01:40.15 | rixth | How do I get the copyright symbol |
| 01:40.18 | WillySilly | no, laser is fine |
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| 01:40.22 | WillySilly | cups is stupid |
| 01:40.26 | abrotman | jd86: i dont' protest .. you want to kill trees .. just don't complain when there's no O2 left :) |
| 01:40.40 | jd86 | abrotman: i only complain when my locales go haywire |
| 01:40.47 | abrotman | jd86: and you have good reason |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | !damn LWE2005 |
| 01:41.05 | jd86 | abrotman: it was quite fun tho, were you there? |
| 01:41.14 | WillySilly | when i start the printer is cups, it stops again |
| 01:41.18 | abrotman | jd86: i wanted to go . but i did not . i have family up there |
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| 01:41.20 | WillySilly | its pissing me off |
| 01:41.28 | jd86 | abrotman: well go next time:) |
| 01:41.28 | WillySilly | i need to get this paper printed |
| 01:41.41 | abrotman | jd86: if they have it in boston again i might .. |
| 01:41.51 | jd86 | abrotman: oh man it was fun. |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | jd86: though . it woudl be better if they would have it in the summer .. go sox :) |
| 01:42.07 | jd86 | abrotman: besides all the suit people who want to sell u crap |
| 01:42.15 | abrotman | jd86: every conference is like that |
| 01:42.16 | rixth | How do I get the copyright symbol? If I simply cut and paste one off say, Google, it shoes up like this : "© 2005 Spectrum Enterprises" |
| 01:42.23 | rixth | How do I remove the A? |
| 01:42.25 | jd86 | abrotman: its in april next year |
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| 01:42.32 | ariel | to those one whom complain about its x window I highly recommend to install xorg instead xfree86 It works better |
| 01:42.33 | abrotman | jd86: in boston again? |
| 01:42.46 | sobersabre | any way to get cursor position on console without curses ? |
| 01:42.59 | abrotman | jd86: ah .. so the site says |
| 01:43.00 | sobersabre | ariel, so ubuntu trick did the work ? |
| 01:43.19 | jd86 | abrotman: yep |
| 01:43.23 | abrotman | jd86: and right downtown .. woohoo .. |
| 01:43.27 | abrotman | jd86: how far are you from boston? |
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| 01:43.39 | ariel | sobersabre: yes, it works very well |
| 01:43.45 | jd86 | abrotman: i take the commuter rail its about 50 mins or i can take the amtrak and be up there in like 30 |
| 01:44.11 | jd86 | abrotman: or i can drive and get in like 90 accidents cuz of the assholes up there (no offence no steotyping or anything just alot of them suck) and be there after like 4 hours |
| 01:44.17 | abrotman | jd86: jeez .. you in Western Conn. or near providence? |
| 01:44.20 | jd86 | abrotman: i'm in RI |
| 01:44.25 | michal_ | in networking what does SX stand for? it's not fiber is it? that's FX? |
| 01:44.28 | abrotman | jd86: my sis lives near whitinsville |
| 01:44.31 | jd86 | abrotman: about 15 mins from providence |
| 01:44.37 | jd86 | abrotman: wheres that |
| 01:44.40 | rixth | How do I get the copyright symbol? If I simply cut and paste one off say, Google, it shoes up like this : "© 2005 Spectrum Enterprises" How do I get rid of the A? |
| 01:44.42 | abrotman | jd86: near providence :) |
| 01:44.46 | sobersabre | ariel, how many FPS glxgears in full screen ? |
| 01:44.48 | jd86 | abrotman: cool. |
| 01:45.00 | abrotman | jd86: off 146 |
| 01:45.16 | abrotman | jd86: you know the purgatory chasm ? |
| 01:45.29 | rixth | !beat everyone |
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| 01:45.43 | rixth | I swear I'm ignored. |
| 01:45.44 | abrotman | of the A? |
| 01:45.46 | sobersabre | heh |
| 01:46.00 | ariel | sobersabre: I don't know how to know see it, the fact is that now I'm able to play all movies in fullscreen mode with no problems |
| 01:46.04 | abrotman | rixth: it loosk fine here :) |
| 01:46.16 | rixth | Character set issue then? |
| 01:46.21 | abrotman | dunno .. |
| 01:46.24 | BigX | can someone help me with an XFree86 problem? I've got a laptop here that I want to set up with a second mouse (USB one). I have edited the XF86Config-4 file to add the second mouse (using IMPS/2) and using /dev/input/mice I have also added to the ServerLayout section the line <InputDevice "Mouse1" "AlwaysCore">. After all this I still only get the builtin mouse to work.. |
| 01:46.27 | sobersabre | ariel, run xterm, and in it run glxgears. |
| 01:46.33 | rixth | It does it it in both Mozilla on Linux and IE on Window |
| 01:46.33 | rixth | s |
| 01:46.50 | jd86 | abrotman: hopefully by 2006 i'll be able to go for all 2-3 days instead of just one |
| 01:46.54 | sobersabre | then open it for the full screen, and wait for several minutes |
| 01:46.54 | rixth | !tell BigX md5sum |
| 01:47.01 | abrotman | jd86: ah .. yeah .. i would go for all of them i think |
| 01:47.18 | jd86 | abrotman: well its expencive.. like buying water or food |
| 01:47.37 | WillySilly | damn cups |
| 01:47.40 | jd86 | abrotman: but its better when you have a friend willing to go to faniel hall or something to eat and enjoy ourselfs instead of running out of the city right away |
| 01:47.42 | abrotman | jd86: yeah .. i gather you're a student or still in high school? |
| 01:47.48 | jd86 | abrotman: i'm in high school. |
| 01:48.14 | abrotman | jd86: yeah .. i went up last summer .. went to uhm .. starts with a D .. poop .. what is the name of that place |
| 01:48.21 | abrotman | it's a restaurant .. grrr |
| 01:48.22 | jd86 | abrotman: i'm in SHS as a matter of a fact (lol just cuz i saw SHS quit and it is the initials of my school) and i'm a junior |
| 01:48.22 | BigX | rixth I don't follow what you want me to do |
| 01:48.27 | jd86 | abrotman: where is it ? |
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| 01:48.42 | abrotman | jd86: the market area i think |
| 01:48.48 | jd86 | abrotman: in boston or in ri? |
| 01:48.50 | abrotman | donnegals ? |
| 01:48.52 | abrotman | in boston |
| 01:49.07 | jd86 | abrotman: i dont know, i'm not privliged enough to spend that much time in boston |
| 01:49.10 | rixth | It didn't work. abrotman, I think what BigX's problem is is that he hasn't copied over the md5sum, so xfree is ignoring it. What is dpkg's trigger for this? |
| 01:49.33 | abrotman | jd86: i'd move there if sox tix were part of the deal :) |
| 01:49.34 | ariel | sobersabre: it eats too much resources, but in normal mode 140.000 and in fullscreen 30.000 |
| 01:49.51 | jd86 | abrotman: i'm planning on spending some time in boston this summer :) i love cities. |
| 01:49.54 | BigX | I'm not on the laptop that I'm having the problem with... |
| 01:50.00 | sobersabre | ariel, .... this is not good. |
| 01:50.02 | jd86 | abrotman: i wish they did the expo during the summer.... |
| 01:50.15 | abrotman | jd86: maybe soon |
| 01:50.25 | ariel | sobersabre: no?, what can I do? |
| 01:50.31 | abrotman | jd86: Durgin Park :) |
| 01:50.34 | jd86 | abrotman: it would be nice if there was one with alot of open source crap |
| 01:50.44 | abrotman | jd86: in Faneuil Hall |
| 01:50.54 | sobersabre | i think it still doesn't use DRM and/or DRI |
| 01:50.56 | jd86 | abrotman: whats the new york one is that just a conference and no "expo" |
| 01:51.07 | abrotman | jd86: the LWE also i think |
| 01:51.19 | jd86 | abrotman: i dont see anything about it.. i'll have to check up |
| 01:51.21 | abrotman | jd86: the OLS sounds more interesting to me ... |
| 01:51.24 | jd86 | abrotman: that would be an intersting trip |
| 01:51.26 | jd86 | abrotman: whats that? |
| 01:51.31 | rixth | BigX, did you backup your Xfree86 config file? |
| 01:51.40 | abrotman | jd86: http://www.durgin-park.com/default.asp |
| 01:51.49 | abrotman | jd86: OLS .. Ottawa Linux Symposium |
| 01:52.09 | BigX | rixth, yes |
| 01:52.10 | jd86 | abrotman: wtf? |
| 01:52.21 | abrotman | jd86: ? |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | wtf wtf? |
| 01:52.27 | jd86 | abrotman: what is it? |
| 01:52.47 | abrotman | jd86: oh .. linux conference . but developers/admins stuff .. no commercialness afaik |
| 01:52.55 | celebdor | Hey, has anyone succeded compiling kernel-2.6.11.6 on pure64, I only get errors, and desperation |
| 01:52.57 | jd86 | abrotman: where is it? |
| 01:52.58 | ariel | sobersabre: but in the xorg.conf those modules are named to be loaded |
| 01:53.00 | rixth | Ok, restore that backup, go here http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html and follow step 3, and follow 'The Debian Way' |
| 01:53.10 | abrotman | jd86: http://www.linuxsymposium.org/2005/ |
| 01:53.11 | jd86 | abrotman: can anyone go? |
| 01:53.20 | abrotman | jd86: Ottawa Canada :) .. yes .. afaik .. anyone can go |
| 01:54.23 | sobersabre | ariel, i am afraid as for now, DRM is not there... |
| 01:54.53 | jd86 | abrotman: expencive. |
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| 01:55.07 | ariel | sobersabre: sorry, I meant DRI, how I can enable DRM? |
| 01:55.09 | jd86 | abro of course this failed its a loser debian didnt insatll grub but it didnt tell me why |
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| 01:55.20 | abrotman | jd86: but probably more what you want .. hobnob with cool people .. like kernel developers et |
| 01:55.21 | abrotman | etc |
| 01:55.25 | hDy | how would I go about starting fluxbox? |
| 01:55.52 | jd86 | abrotman: it failed. |
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| 01:55.56 | hDy | startx /usr/bin/fluxbox doesn't do it :/ |
| 01:56.22 | jd86 | hDy: put it in your ~/.xinitrc ?? |
| 01:56.32 | abrotman | jd86: what failed? |
| 01:56.40 | jd86 | abrotman: grub and lilo they wouldnt install |
| 01:56.44 | jd86 | abrotman: when they did before fine.. |
| 01:56.55 | abrotman | jd86: grub and lilo? you only need one |
| 01:57.03 | jd86 | abrotman: noo grub failed |
| 01:57.06 | jd86 | abrotman: so i tried lilo |
| 01:57.07 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:57.09 | jd86 | abrotman: that failed too |
| 01:57.11 | abrotman | failed why? |
| 01:57.16 | jd86 | abrotman: i'd like to know that too |
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| 01:57.26 | abrotman | ctrl-alt-f2 |
| 01:57.32 | jd86 | abrotman: i didnt reboot i figured i'd try it but partition differently i wasnt really happy with the way i did it before anyway |
| 01:57.34 | abrotman | or maybe it's f6 |
| 01:57.41 | jd86 | i think its f3 |
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| 01:57.48 | sobersabre | ariel, it is a kernel module, should be a supported card. try modprobe -l | grep via or s3 or whatever fits your needs. |
| 01:57.48 | abrotman | jd86: oh .. you didn't restart the install ? |
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| 01:57.57 | jd86 | abrotman: i just rebooted it lol |
| 01:58.16 | abrotman | jd86: ? |
| 01:58.47 | Fluten | my load average is stuck at around "24.57, 22.69, 22.98", except in top i have been sitting 70% idle for a while now, and the arevage isn't going down |
| 01:58.53 | jd86 | abrotman: let me see if it fails this time, i rebooted and restarted the install. I didnt like how it was going anyway with the way i partitioned it |
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| 01:59.00 | abrotman | jd86: ok |
| 01:59.05 | jd86 | flurdoing: i wish i could get my avgs that high |
| 01:59.09 | jd86 | ugh |
| 01:59.12 | jd86 | s/flurdoing/fluten |
| 01:59.20 | abrotman | Fluten: run away process |
| 01:59.25 | abrotman | Fluten: use top .. find it .. kill it |
| 01:59.48 | jd86 | abrotman: i know what i did. |
| 01:59.49 | Fluten | except in top the cpu part displays around 70-80% of my cpu currently idle |
| 01:59.52 | abrotman | jd86: you do? |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | Fluten: what is the top process? |
| 02:00.00 | jd86 | abrotman: /me slaps myself from being so used to gentoo |
| 02:00.06 | abrotman | jd86: erm .. ok |
| 02:00.07 | ariel | abrotman: if you have problems with boots manager try Smart Boot Manager works fine |
| 02:00.12 | jd86 | abrotman: least i think i know why |
| 02:00.20 | abrotman | jd86: the sarge installer(when you use the right one) .. is fairly idiot proof :) |
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| 02:00.27 | abrotman | ariel: i don't |
| 02:00.36 | Fluten | abrotman, what do you mean by the top proccess? the one using up the most cpu? |
| 02:00.46 | abrotman | Fluten: what is it ? |
| 02:00.47 | jd86 | abrotman: well i did something stupid when i was parititioning and i bet you could guess if you tried lol, it'll work now. |
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| 02:01.18 | Fluten | it's xfree, and it displays around 5-10% cpu usage |
| 02:01.19 | jd86 | abrotman: a gentoo install is idiot proof, this is just iditiot prone. |
| 02:01.23 | abrotman | jd86: you .. uhm . installed it on the wrong drive? |
| 02:01.35 | abrotman | jd86: dunno . i've done it tons of times without error :) |
| 02:01.38 | ariel | sobersabre: none of them are installed |
| 02:01.39 | jd86 | abrotman: has to do with "a" but not in this sense. |
| 02:02.04 | jd86 | abrotman: lol nevermind ill see if its the problem then i'll tell ya so i can get laughed at |
| 02:02.14 | abrotman | !pal jd86 |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | :) |
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| 02:02.41 | Fluten | abrotman, probably just cosmetic then?, since my machine doesn't seem to be operating slowly at all |
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| 02:03.00 | abrotman | Fluten: no .. something is really doing something .. find it .. what does the machine fucntion as? |
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| 02:03.46 | Fluten | abrotman, a desktop workstation machine |
| 02:03.52 | sobersabre | ariel, u need to see in the drm & dri: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=26963&group_id=102048 |
| 02:03.53 | abrotman | Fluten: browser with flash going? |
| 02:04.13 | Fluten | abrotman, no, i have no flash plugin installed |
| 02:04.15 | jd86 | abrotman: hehhe i remember when someones aim icon totoally pummeled my system cuz it was moving too fast (fixed that tho) |
| 02:04.41 | abrotman | jd86: that's very odd |
| 02:04.56 | abrotman | Fluten: any services like .. apache running? |
| 02:04.59 | jd86 | abrotman: i was using xfree at the time, and was like wrong drivers (back in the day when i didnt know anything) |
| 02:05.25 | abrotman | Fluten: i had apache2 freak out last week at work .. no reason . i hadn't even been using it |
| 02:05.25 | Fluten | abrotman, no |
| 02:05.26 | abrotman | of course .. being on a Cyrix200 doesn't help :) |
| 02:05.29 | abrotman | jd86: ah .. |
| 02:05.29 | burd | I am trying to run multiple nics in one machine.. one nick is behind a router on a local network, the other nic is getting dhcp from the isp with an outside IP, kind alike a NAT setup but not doing nat. The ip on the internal network has ports forwarded to it and works fine with eth1 down.. the moment i start eth1 up I can no longer connect to side with the internal IP.. it's as if DHCP is taking over? |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | nic .. not nick |
| 02:05.43 | burd | also http://mtfreetech.us/GMRWS.jpg |
| 02:05.50 | Fluten | abrotman, why so slow? |
| 02:05.52 | burd | thats a simple diagram |
| 02:05.58 | abrotman | Fluten: only a fax server :) |
| 02:06.06 | jd86 | i want a fax server! |
| 02:06.10 | abrotman | Fluten: answers calls .. and does ldap .. how fast does it need to be? |
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| 02:06.43 | abrotman | burd: why not nat ? |
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| 02:07.14 | burd | abrotman: because these are planned to be extra interfaces for SSL with apache |
| 02:07.22 | abrotman | Fluten: but i was doing some PHP agaisnt an internal MSSQL server .. so .it decided to freak out |
| 02:07.23 | burd | they need thir own ip |
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| 02:07.29 | jd86 | burd: that looks odd |
| 02:07.32 | abrotman | burd: lovely |
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| 02:07.39 | jd86 | abrotman: agh it still failed its borken wtf |
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| 02:07.59 | ariel | sobersabre: thanks, now I'm going to take my time in order to read it and see what can I do |
| 02:08.08 | jd86 | abrotman: it says cannot execute /sbin/grub-install no such file or directory on tty/3 |
| 02:08.17 | abrotman | jd86: i don't think that will work |
| 02:08.19 | abrotman | err |
| 02:08.21 | abrotman | wait |
| 02:08.26 | abrotman | burd: i don't think that will work |
| 02:08.30 | abrotman | jd86: still ? |
| 02:08.32 | Fluten | abrotman, ah, the last time mine freaked out very bad was when someone on the gentoo forums said to type in a command which turned out to be a forkbomb |
| 02:08.43 | jd86 | abrotman: it actually says chroot: cannot execute /sbin/grub-install: No such file or directory |
| 02:08.44 | Fluten | the first time i'd ever seen a load over 100 |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | Fluten: those gentoo people are mean :) |
| 02:09.10 | abrotman | jd86: see if it's there .. ctrl-alt-f2 .. use the shell .. can you find grub-install ? |
| 02:09.17 | darkskiez | anyone know what a BIOSLock signature is, and if its important? |
| 02:09.23 | jd86 | abrotman: but before it said that it said unpacking grub blob blob and then setting it up |
| 02:09.35 | abrotman | jd86: use the shell .. see if it's there |
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| 02:10.11 | Fluten | ah, then i'll just keep waiting for my load to go down |
| 02:10.24 | abrotman | Fluten: you should be able to find it |
| 02:10.28 | jd86 | abrotman: where would it be lol |
| 02:10.41 | abrotman | jd86: /sbin/grub-install . or /target/sbin/grub-install |
| 02:10.47 | jd86 | abrotman: its not there. |
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| 02:10.50 | abrotman | either? |
| 02:11.04 | jd86 | neither |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | jd86: this is the CD i told you to use? |
| 02:11.17 | abrotman | it was 110MB ? |
| 02:11.17 | jd86 | yes sir |
| 02:11.22 | abrotman | wtf ... |
| 02:11.27 | jd86 | 104.3 MB |
| 02:11.34 | abrotman | does your HDD have holes in it? :) |
| 02:11.41 | jd86 | abrotman: uh |
| 02:11.45 | jd86 | abrotman: i dont think so lol |
| 02:11.47 | abrotman | just drops data right through :) |
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| 02:12.00 | jd86 | abrotman: in one channel out anothe r;-) |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | hrm |
| 02:12.10 | jd86 | abrotman: this is fricking wierd. it setup other packages fine but it didnt care to setup grub right |
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| 02:12.20 | abrotman | jd86: when it asked you where to get the packages from .. did you choose CDROM or HTTP ? |
| 02:12.25 | jd86 | abrotman: it didnt ask me. |
| 02:12.29 | abrotman | jd86: it should have |
| 02:12.30 | jd86 | abrotman: it was anti-social |
| 02:12.34 | jd86 | abrotman: ... didnt. |
| 02:12.37 | abrotman | hrm |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | did you try linux26 ? |
| 02:12.49 | jd86 | ? |
| 02:12.49 | Fluten | my old 500MB has holes in it :) |
| 02:12.52 | diego | hey all. how do i run the script that came up just after i rebooted into my hard drive during the rc3 sarge install? at the time i didn't have my network set up and now i do |
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| 02:12.53 | jd86 | when booting? |
| 02:12.58 | abrotman | jd86: the install CD .. yeah |
| 02:13.02 | jd86 | ugh /me reboots |
| 02:13.09 | abrotman | jd86: another option is to use the uhm .. grub floppy |
| 02:13.09 | Fluten | i had never expected a drill bit to so easily go through 2 platter |
| 02:13.10 | Fluten | s |
| 02:13.22 | jd86 | Fluten: you'd be surprised. |
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| 02:14.11 | diego | ah, dselect seems to do the trick |
| 02:14.34 | jd86 | abrotman: its bootin |
| 02:15.01 | abrotman | jd86: yay |
| 02:15.02 | Fluten | except when throwing motherboards one should always wear gloves to avoid getting stiches |
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| 02:15.12 | jd86 | abrotman: doesnt mean its going to work when i do yet another install lol |
| 02:15.44 | zignig | bleh! |
| 02:16.05 | abrotman | jd86: yeah .. you could also try a daily .. but at this point .. i bet you're getting sick of this :) |
| 02:16.32 | jd86 | abrotman: i'm about ready to try gnap |
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| 02:16.50 | jd86 | or hell at this point redhat 7.4 is sounding good |
| 02:16.54 | Fluten | hmm, i just did a killall exim3 |
| 02:17.00 | Fluten | and my load average is suddenly going down |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | jd86: you could even try the woody net install floppies :) |
| 02:17.17 | popup_killer2005 | hi |
| 02:17.21 | Fluten | although it's strange that it could put up my load average while still displaying a high amount of idle cpu |
| 02:17.31 | zignig | abrotman: there's a good plan <NOT> ;) |
| 02:17.35 | caphuso | Fluten: I/O |
| 02:17.35 | jd86 | abrotman: you should come here, find a floppy drive and if you succeed at that... try to find a floppy disk and that might discourage you |
| 02:17.37 | abrotman | zignig: it's worked forme |
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| 02:17.51 | abrotman | jd86: i've got a few of those here |
| 02:18.08 | zignig | abrotman: and for me ( 2 years ago ).... , the new d-i is shweet. |
| 02:18.28 | zignig | abrotman: I've got a zero effort install running on my machines here. |
| 02:18.40 | abrotman | zignig: yes .. but for jd86 .. it's not working |
| 02:18.41 | jd86 | UGH I'M GOING TO KILL SOMETHING WHY WONT THIS STUPID PARITITIONER WORK /ME WHIPS OUT THE fdisk |
| 02:18.51 | abrotman | jd86: uhm .. define doesn't work? |
| 02:19.10 | zignig | jd86: where does it bork out ? |
| 02:19.22 | jd86 | zignig: well i have like 9 different problems at this point |
| 02:19.35 | abrotman | jd86: we're not magicians :) |
| 02:19.45 | zignig | jd86: ah, start at 1 always a good thing ..... |
| 02:20.00 | zignig | abrotman: much as we would like to be :) |
| 02:20.08 | jd86 | as i try it again.. |
| 02:20.14 | jd86 | ugh 10 problems now |
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| 02:20.20 | abrotman | jd86: the partitioner isn't the easiest thing to use |
| 02:20.34 | abrotman | jd86: the first time i saw it .. it took me a bit to figure it out |
| 02:20.46 | jd86 | the kerne was unable to re-read the partition table on loooong device device or resource busy this means linux wont know anything about the modifications until you reboot you should reboot your computer before doing antyhginw with loooogn device name |
| 02:20.56 | jd86 | abrotman: i'd perfer they just stick me in with fdisk! |
| 02:20.57 | abrotman | oh my dear god |
| 02:21.04 | abrotman | jd86: you can use fdisk if you choose |
| 02:21.08 | abrotman | i thnk you can |
| 02:21.13 | abrotman | or you can use expert mode |
| 02:21.15 | jd86 | heh i hit continue. |
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| 02:21.43 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:21.51 | jd86 | it died |
| 02:21.53 | jd86 | 11 errors. |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | !console jd86 |
| 02:22.07 | abrotman | dpkg: hello |
| 02:22.07 | dpkg | hola, abrotman |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
| 02:22.19 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 02:22.22 | abrotman | !comfort jd86 |
| 02:22.22 | dpkg | There, there, jd86. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:22.23 | abrotman | yay |
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| 02:22.26 | RootsLINUX | lol |
| 02:22.31 | RootsLINUX | There's a comfort command? |
| 02:22.34 | RootsLINUX | !comfort RootsLINUX |
| 02:22.35 | dpkg | There, there, RootsLINUX. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 02:22.43 | RootsLINUX | Awww, I feel better now |
| 02:22.58 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:23.01 | jd86 | !smash dpkg |
| 02:23.11 | jd86 | thats better |
| 02:23.14 | jd86 | bot suicide. |
| 02:23.18 | abrotman | jd86: you can use fdisk at the console .. |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | !suicide |
| 02:23.21 | RootsLINUX | I wish I was a bot :( |
| 02:23.22 | abrotman | see :) |
| 02:23.35 | poonj | hey guys, when setting up wireless settings in /etc/network/interfaces, where can get a list of the proper entries |
| 02:23.37 | jd86 | but that required you kill yourself |
| 02:23.39 | poonj | like wireless-essid |
| 02:23.48 | abrotman | jd86: no problem! :) |
| 02:24.00 | RootsLINUX | !weather |
| 02:24.09 | abrotman | !weather 19464 |
| 02:24.13 | dpkg | I can't find station code "19464" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml for ICAO locations codes). |
| 02:24.17 | abrotman | you have to know .. the station code |
| 02:24.29 | RootsLINUX | !slashdot |
| 02:24.32 | dpkg | Slashdot Headlines (9 of 10): Apple Easter Egg ;; Local Internet TV Takes Off In Austria ;; PSP Reception Lukewarm in US? ;; French Response to Google is Microsoft ;; Underwater Robot to Re-Cross Gulf Stream ;; SCO Website Using Groklaw's Content ;; New Longhorn Screenshots And Schedule ;; Large Prize Offered For Writing Mac Virus ;; Pez to Dispense Music instead of Sweets. |
| 02:24.35 | abrotman | !msg |
| 02:24.35 | dpkg | (1) Use private messages to the bots to reduce channel spam, but don't message people on #debian without asking permission first. Most questions should be asked on channel, so that others can benefit from the question and the answers received. (2) Always feel free to message freenode network staff. They're the people with hostnames ending in 'staff.freenode'. (3) Monosodium glutamate, a food additive (see http://truthinlabeling.org/). |
| 02:24.40 | jd86 | agh the spam |
| 02:24.50 | abrotman | jd86: did you get the drive partitioned yet? |
| 02:25.06 | jd86 | abrotman: whats a smilie face and a bunny and a lightning bolt mean? |
| 02:25.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:25.20 | sussudio | !tell jd86 about bunnies |
| 02:25.24 | abrotman | jd86: let me double check |
| 02:25.42 | jd86 | it still yelling about the gayness of itself and not being able to reread |
| 02:25.47 | jd86 | and then it cant mount hda2 as swap. |
| 02:26.02 | poonj | okay, found iut |
| 02:26.37 | abrotman | jd86: can't you tell debian just to partition it by itself(assuming no other OSs on the machine) |
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| 02:26.52 | ChubStudy | hi ! |
| 02:27.08 | ChubStudy | I have a question: how do I use mrtg to monitor eth0 ? |
| 02:27.31 | zignig | ChubStudy: apt-cache search mtrg , there is an extras package to monitor local interfaces. |
| 02:27.42 | Raf256 | !futurama |
| 02:27.42 | dpkg | hmm... futurama is a series by matt groening. |
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| 02:27.50 | Raf256 | !zoidberg |
| 02:27.51 | dpkg | it has been said that zoidberg is dr. Zoidberg - one of best doctors ever on earth. See also: futurama, or a hidious person |
| 02:28.00 | jd86 | abrotman: but it gives like 200 mb to home and personally i need it its only a 512MB flash drive. |
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| 02:28.17 | abrotman | jd86: you're installing on a flash device? |
| 02:28.32 | jd86 | abrotman: i thought you knew that :) |
| 02:28.39 | jd86 | abrotman: it uses compact flash to ide adapter |
| 02:28.43 | abrotman | jd86: i think it got lost somewhere :) |
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| 02:28.48 | jd86 | abrotman: no problem with other os just as long as it dont run out if inodes |
| 02:28.52 | ChubStudy | zignig I don't see which one is it |
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| 02:29.07 | abrotman | jd86: hehe .. running out of inodes sucks :) |
| 02:29.14 | ChubStudy | mrtgutils - Utilities to generate statistics for mrtg |
| 02:29.16 | ChubStudy | that one ? |
| 02:29.51 | jd86 | abrotman: hey man want to do the install for me over ssh? lol |
| 02:30.05 | jd86 | abrotman: so you can see the hell i'm going thru |
| 02:30.07 | abrotman | jd86: if i could ... i would . but that's a lot of work :) |
| 02:30.16 | jd86 | abrotman: hows it alot of work? |
| 02:30.25 | abrotman | jd86: you'd need a serial console setup :) |
| 02:30.32 | jd86 | abrotman: how so? |
| 02:30.38 | abrotman | jd86: how else will i see it boot ? |
| 02:30.49 | abrotman | there's no ssh installed yet .. |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | you've got a blank system |
| 02:30.59 | jd86 | thats what you think. lol h/o |
| 02:31.05 | jd86 | you can do it over ssh |
| 02:31.08 | jd86 | i found it in expert! |
| 02:31.10 | ariel | sobersabre: well, I read it, but I think I have to do too much steps to get it working as the document says, I think I needn't yet, I only want to play movies in fullscreen mode, now I can, and this document is beyond my knowledges |
| 02:31.40 | abrotman | jd86: really? .. that's something i didn't know |
| 02:31.51 | jd86 | abrotman: :) thats what happens when u try to install debian |
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| 02:32.01 | abrotman | jd86: ah ... |
| 02:32.11 | jd86 | abrotman: let me fwd the ports, will you join in or now? |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | jd86: i can if you really want .. |
| 02:32.40 | jd86 | :) |
| 02:32.54 | abrotman | jd86: it's better for you to learn .. but hey .. what's the worst that happens |
| 02:33.00 | jd86 | i'm going to watch you anyway |
| 02:34.21 | jd86 | course i forgot the password from when i put it in for temp a second ago /doh |
| 02:34.28 | abrotman | hhe |
| 02:34.39 | jd86 | hmm |
| 02:35.16 | BigX | rixth, well that didn't work... hehe it didn't like my video card selection... good thing I made that backup... I will try the dpkg-recofigure thing again... but there was no option in there to add another input device so once I'm finished with the reconfigure what will I do next |
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| 02:36.38 | sobersabre | ok :- |
| 02:36.41 | sobersabre | _ |
| 02:36.47 | sobersabre | i am off |
| 02:37.05 | simonrvn | off what? |
| 02:37.12 | simonrvn | damn. |
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| 02:38.14 | jd86 | abrotman: i cant believe i've forgot it |
| 02:38.18 | abrotman | heh |
| 02:38.34 | jd86 | and i have no way of setting it back.... |
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| 02:39.23 | abrotman | jd86: you can also ask #debian-boot if they have any ideas |
| 02:39.36 | jd86 | i'll just reboot |
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| 02:39.39 | jd86 | it took like two seconds |
| 02:39.42 | jd86 | and then you can ssh in |
| 02:39.48 | acid-trip | abrotman: you around? |
| 02:39.50 | holo | anyone know a light free colesterol image editor to which i can print screen? |
| 02:39.56 | holo | that excludes gimp |
| 02:39.58 | abrotman | acid-trip: kind of skinny actually |
| 02:40.03 | acid-trip | haha |
| 02:40.09 | acid-trip | i can't sudo my usb |
| 02:40.10 | acid-trip | :/ |
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| 02:40.21 | acid-trip | it says i'm not in the group or something like that |
| 02:40.35 | holo | acid-trip, addgroup |
| 02:40.48 | acid-trip | what pass is it looking for |
| 02:40.58 | abrotman | sudo your usb? |
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| 02:41.20 | acid-trip | ya |
| 02:41.24 | abrotman | holo: say what? |
| 02:41.25 | Myren | is there a preferred SVG library? |
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| 02:41.31 | acid-trip | it tells me i need to belong to some group |
| 02:41.54 | abrotman | the usb group? |
| 02:41.59 | acid-trip | sudo: 3 incorrect password attempts |
| 02:42.00 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 02:42.10 | abrotman | tired .. so tired .. why damn it |
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| 02:42.36 | acid-trip | s not in the sudoers file. This incident will be reported. |
| 02:42.41 | acid-trip | thats what i need to fix |
| 02:42.42 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 02:43.22 | acid-trip | root ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 02:43.22 | acid-trip | rob ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 02:43.26 | acid-trip | thats what i have to fix eh |
| 02:44.37 | acid-trip | mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/sda1': File exists |
| 02:44.38 | acid-trip | :/ |
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| 02:44.48 | acid-trip | hmm |
| 02:46.27 | findme | what is the preferred used in developing linux based front ends ? |
| 02:46.29 | acid-trip | abrotman: can you help me? |
| 02:46.37 | findme | what is the preferred tool used in developing linux based front ends ? |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | acid-trip: i don't use sudo .. i'm evil |
| 02:46.49 | caphuso | findme: an editor? |
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| 02:47.02 | acid-trip | abrotman: how can i get my usb's to mount then lol |
| 02:47.03 | findme | caphuso, what kind ? qt, perl gtk ? |
| 02:47.11 | caphuso | findme: any kind you like |
| 02:47.30 | abrotman | acid-trip: ls -l /dev/sda .. be in that group |
| 02:47.45 | findme | caphuso, ok. |
| 02:47.53 | acid-trip | brw-rw---- 1 root disk 8, 0 May 20 2004 /dev/sda |
| 02:47.55 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 02:48.06 | caphuso | don't be in the disk group |
| 02:48.39 | acid-trip | i don't know what to do from there abrotman |
| 02:48.46 | abrotman | be in the disk group ? |
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| 02:49.17 | phig | where do you get a boot image that will let you netinstall sarge? |
| 02:49.23 | phig | or testing or unstable or whatever |
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| 02:50.25 | phig | or, whats the proper way to upgrade to testing/unstable from 3.0r4? |
| 02:50.35 | acid-trip | abrotman: i have no idea i'm lost |
| 02:50.35 | acid-trip | :s |
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| 02:50.48 | abrotman | adduser username disk |
| 02:50.51 | caphuso | no |
| 02:50.53 | abrotman | i don't know .. mine jsut works :) |
| 02:50.56 | caphuso | don't be in the disk group |
| 02:51.00 | abrotman | see .. caphuso says i'm crazy |
| 02:51.03 | simonrvn | never be in disk group |
| 02:51.04 | abrotman | mine just damn works |
| 02:51.28 | abrotman | i'm not sure what he's really been babbling about :) |
| 02:51.33 | caphuso | neither am i |
| 02:51.53 | simonrvn | acid-trip: nothing wrong with those perms on /dev/sda |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | acid-trip: start from the beginning .. state your problem for starters |
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| 02:52.13 | holo | abrotman, an jpg/bmp/png editor in which i can past a printscreen |
| 02:52.20 | acid-trip | i can't access my usb mass storage |
| 02:52.29 | abrotman | holo: what is your desktop? |
| 02:52.36 | holo | abrotman, windowmaker |
| 02:52.42 | acid-trip | emptying my digital cam and webcams |
| 02:52.44 | abrotman | there is kpaint afaik .. but i don't use kde |
| 02:52.49 | abrotman | or gimp |
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| 02:53.19 | holo | abrotman, yes i know, i wanted something more lightweight |
| 02:53.24 | acid-trip | i use XFce |
| 02:53.32 | abrotman | kpaint is all i know of .. i don't use many things like that .. just gimp |
| 02:53.32 | caphuso | acid-trip: any chance of getting to see a more specific description of your actual problem? |
| 02:53.38 | llama32 | can anyone explain why, in KDE, sometimes i minimise all my windows, and the desktop is Nautilus (this is when i havent run nautilus or any gnome apps really since rebooting)? then i go to run xkill and the desktop disapears... |
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| 02:54.00 | kbrooks | Where are the .deb files stored |
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| 02:54.11 | caphuso | kbrooks: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 02:54.14 | acid-trip | caphuso: yeah i have my usb cables hooked up and power on but i can't get my box to mount them |
| 02:54.20 | caphuso | acid-trip: why not? |
| 02:54.25 | llama32 | also theres about 6 instances of nautilus running :| |
| 02:54.29 | acid-trip | if i knew i wouldn't be here |
| 02:54.30 | acid-trip | lol |
| 02:54.46 | kbrooks | and the source where it is extracted |
| 02:54.50 | caphuso | acid-trip: and if i could read your error messages, i wouldn't ask |
| 02:54.56 | kbrooks | ? |
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| 02:55.07 | acid-trip | caphuso: mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/sda1': File exists |
| 02:55.13 | acid-trip | but when i go to the dir |
| 02:55.15 | acid-trip | nothing is there |
| 02:55.19 | caphuso | uh |
| 02:55.19 | acid-trip | and nothing is mounted to it |
| 02:55.28 | caphuso | obviously, since that command doesn't mount anything |
| 02:55.48 | caphuso | it merely creates a new directory, so why are you running it more than once? |
| 02:56.01 | acid-trip | cause it's in my sudo command line |
| 02:56.02 | caphuso | you can't make better directories by creating them twice... |
| 02:56.02 | acid-trip | lol |
| 02:56.10 | caphuso | acid-trip: why are you using sudo? |
| 02:56.39 | acid-trip | cause tahts what i was advised to use earlier |
| 02:56.45 | caphuso | damn |
| 02:57.06 | acid-trip | ya |
| 02:57.19 | caphuso | acid-trip: ignore it. go add the necessary stuff to your /etc/fstab and just mount the damn thing |
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| 02:58.52 | kbrooks | brb |
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| 02:59.37 | dudes | Anyone know now I can make it so when a user logs in they can't control-c/z out of a program? |
| 02:59.55 | pyr3sayz | How do you rename network interfaces? Where are they named? |
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| 03:00.13 | caphuso | pyr3sayz: nameif or ifrename |
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| 03:00.49 | pyr3sayz | caphuso, is that where they are named on system boot too? |
| 03:01.03 | caphuso | pyr3sayz: not by default |
| 03:01.03 | acid-trip | acidtrip:/mnt/sda1# mount /dev/sda1 -o uid=rob,gid=rob |
| 03:01.03 | acid-trip | mount: fs type usb not supported by kernel |
| 03:01.04 | acid-trip | :/ |
| 03:01.20 | pyr3sayz | caphuso, is there a file where I can define it? |
| 03:01.25 | simonrvn | um |
| 03:01.31 | simonrvn | there is no usbfs |
| 03:01.43 | caphuso | pyr3sayz: go read the documentation of the tools i told you about |
| 03:01.44 | acid-trip | then wh at am i suppose to put for a FS? |
| 03:01.55 | pyr3sayz | caphuso, already on it. |
| 03:01.56 | caphuso | acid-trip: whatever your mass storage thingie uses |
| 03:02.17 | acid-trip | it's a flash card |
| 03:02.19 | acid-trip | i don't know |
| 03:02.22 | acid-trip | :/ |
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| 03:03.08 | simonrvn | fix your fstab then... |
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| 03:03.28 | mlalkaka | is there a .deb package in the sarge distribution that allows me to edit the menu entries on all window-managers/environments? |
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| 03:03.46 | phig | yeah, vi :D |
| 03:03.57 | acid-trip | fuck it |
| 03:03.58 | acid-trip | :/ |
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| 03:04.20 | phig | oh he left |
| 03:04.32 | phig | flash memory is FAT, isn't it? |
| 03:04.38 | sh0rt | think so |
| 03:04.45 | phig | *shrug* oh well |
| 03:04.47 | caphuso | phig: maybe. maybe not. |
| 03:04.49 | mlalkaka | phig, were you telling me to use vi? |
| 03:04.50 | dudes | probally, it does work in windows |
| 03:05.04 | phig | mlalkaka: yes, but it was a joke. |
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| 03:05.15 | mlalkaka | phig, oh. |
| 03:05.25 | phig | mlalkaka: vi is just a text editor |
| 03:05.32 | tzafrir_laptop | I'm trying to package a small daemon. I don't want it to run as root, but there are certain things it needs to do as root (mainly: restart a certain service) |
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| 03:05.59 | mlalkaka | phig, i know. but i thought you might mean to edit menu files using vi |
| 03:06.03 | tzafrir_laptop | Is there any simple way to have my configuration add rules to sudo? |
| 03:06.08 | abrotman | !nm |
| 03:06.08 | dpkg | methinks nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. And also nevermind, or a program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 03:06.10 | phig | mlalkaka: I did |
| 03:06.24 | mlalkaka | phig, which files? |
| 03:06.40 | revenger_ | does anyone know how to enable coredump support for apachechilds? |
| 03:06.44 | phig | mlalkaka: usually, window managers make .<whatever>rc files in your home directory |
| 03:07.49 | maher | mlalkaka: menu, menu-xdg contain files to manipulate the menus, but i'm not sure that all wm are consistent in using menu |
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| 03:08.44 | rixth | There's a package that includes a few hundred CUPS drivers, but I can not for the life of me remember it's name,. I couldn't find it via apt-cache search either. Can anyone remind me? |
| 03:08.53 | tzafrir_laptop | maher, does Debian use xdg's menu scheme for the menu files? |
| 03:09.21 | holo | abrotman, i just found scrot to printscreen to a file, the quality isn't nothing very cool but its enouph to get the picture |
| 03:09.30 | abrotman | holo: good |
| 03:09.32 | maher | tzafrir_laptop: i don't think so - but i think menu-xdg will convert debian menus to xdg menus |
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| 03:10.27 | tzafrir_laptop | debian's menu files are so simple to edit, you don't need any conversion |
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| 03:11.09 | tzafrir_laptop | You want to override package foo's menu, simply copy /usr/lib/menu/foo to /etc/menu/foo or to ~/.menu/foo and edit it |
| 03:11.29 | RootsLINUX | anyone know an easy way to get the Debian menu to show up in FVWM? I know the debian package comes with it by default, but I'm using fvwm-crystal which is slightly different and doesn't have that function built in |
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| 03:12.35 | prahal | how can one know which version of util-linux is used in the debian-installer (a bug was fixed in util-linux 2.12 ) |
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| 03:13.40 | prahal | RootsLINUX: copying /etc/menu-methods/fvwm from teh debian fvwm package to your box , then runnin update-menu should do it |
| 03:14.12 | RootsLINUX | I can't copy it from the deb package though. The deb fvwm package conflicts with my current WM :( |
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| 03:14.37 | prahal | hum tzafrir_laptop is right , better copy it to ~/.menu , i did not think of it |
| 03:14.43 | abrotman | prahal: either check the iso .. or ask #debian-boot |
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| 03:15.32 | prahal | RootsLINUX: you can download the package from packages.debian.org then extract only the file you want by opening it with ark (kde archiver), it will be in the data part |
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| 03:16.23 | RootsLINUX | ok, thanks |
| 03:16.30 | prahal | thanks arbotman ... well debian-boot ,) |
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| 03:17.14 | maxchee | does anyone know to make .deb packages? |
| 03:17.19 | maxchee | from source code |
| 03:17.22 | holo | i have this in .xinitrc -> http://www.pastebin.com/263205 , shouldn't it be executed when i startx? |
| 03:17.24 | jason | I'm just curious if anyone knows if decss packages exist for amd64, or perhaps know where a person could find src packages? |
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| 03:21.47 | abrotman | !amd64 |
| 03:21.47 | dpkg | amd64 is probably See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1), or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianAMD64Faq |
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| 03:22.49 | t0wn | is gnome 2.10 available for debian sid? |
| 03:23.15 | maher | !topicsmite t0wn |
| 03:23.16 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon t0wn. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 03:23.51 | Azra`el | !hump maher |
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| 03:25.20 | holo | how do i get a pid of a process right after it is created by a command? |
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| 03:27.26 | sigma957 | holo: ps aux |
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| 03:29.21 | heap | does anyone know where debian saves its boot log ? |
| 03:29.30 | heap | or how can I check my last boot log ? |
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| 03:29.40 | shingouz | Heap /var/log/dmesg |
| 03:30.00 | shingouz | man dmesg is a good too |
| 03:30.23 | pyr3sayz | If I add 'alias wlan orinoco' to my modules.conf, then will all wifi adapters that are using the orinoco module be named wlan0, wlan1, etc? |
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| 03:30.54 | shingouz | pyr3sayz: nope, they will be called ethX |
| 03:31.03 | heap | shingouz, thanks |
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| 03:31.40 | Caveman | does anyone know what when I use kdm to lauch kde I get differnet looking and differnet sized fonts than I do with startx ? |
| 03:31.46 | shingouz | pyr3sayz: hmm... the orinoco is naming the interfaces eth by default, maybe the alias might do the wlan |
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| 03:32.47 | maher | pyr3sayz: the alias doesn't change the interface name |
| 03:32.59 | holo | how do i get the pid of a process created when i type a command? |
| 03:33.04 | maher | pyr3sayz: ifrename does however |
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| 03:34.59 | pyr3sayz | maher, Ok. I've seen a lot of setups that named the wireless adapters wlan, I was thinking there there would be something other than ifrename that would do it. I can't believe that there are that many people that would fool around with ifrename just to name wlan... |
| 03:35.00 | Kupal[]__ | anyone know of a way to have smtp mail sent to a sent folder in an imap maildir store? |
| 03:35.45 | maher | pyr3sayz: the kernel module picks the name afaik |
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| 03:41.25 | ireverentReveren | how would i go about gaining the functionality of a key on my keboard that xev cant see? |
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| 03:41.46 | nvz | ireverentReveren: install xbindkeys && xbindkeys-config |
| 03:41.54 | Covener | On a new testing system OOTB, is it discover that would be loading things like agpgart and via_agp? |
| 03:42.07 | linux|helix | hey i have a quick question guys. i installed kde but it wont auto run. is it suppost to or do ineed to execute a command for it to run? |
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| 03:42.11 | linux|helix | im a linux nooby |
| 03:42.15 | ireverentReveren | nvz, and that works even with keys that xev doesnt see getting pressed? |
| 03:42.32 | linux|helix | nvm |
| 03:42.34 | linux|helix | i got it |
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| 03:42.35 | linux|helix | ^_- |
| 03:42.36 | nvz | ireverentReveren: xev doesnt see everything |
| 03:42.55 | nvz | ireverentReveren: it only reads one part of the keycode |
| 03:43.07 | ireverentReveren | nvz, ah, ok, i was just checking |
| 03:44.22 | nvz | ireverentReveren: xbindkeys-config is pretty easy to work with, you just hit "get key" and press the button |
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| 03:44.47 | nvz | ireverentReveren: add xbindkeys to your xsession's startup programs |
| 03:45.04 | mxldr | hey- how do i run perl scripts? |
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| 03:45.16 | caphuso | perl script |
| 03:45.22 | ireverentReveren | thank you nvz |
| 03:45.29 | mxldr | i get errors |
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| 03:45.40 | XXL | Anyone here use Tripwire? If so, do you recommend it on a web hosting server (cpanel)? |
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| 03:45.47 | carrot | what is foo? |
| 03:45.59 | holo | carrot, anything |
| 03:46.00 | thingfish | foo = x |
| 03:46.02 | nvz | foo man choo |
| 03:46.02 | mxldr | mxldr@ath1400:~$ perl diestat.perl |
| 03:46.02 | mxldr | Bareword found where operator expected at diestat.perl line 1, near "/usr/bin" |
| 03:46.02 | mxldr | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.03 | mxldr | syntax error at diestat.perl line 1, near "/usr/bin" |
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| 03:46.03 | Kupal[]__ | XXL, tripwire is a good security supplement to any system. |
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| 03:46.11 | Kupal[]__ | its a ids system for the filesystem |
| 03:46.18 | mxldr | what is wrong? |
| 03:46.22 | caphuso | mxldr: your #! line is wrong |
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| 03:46.32 | Kupal[]__ | however i would suggest an solution based on IMON more the trip wire based on performance. |
| 03:46.33 | maher | mxldr: you probably want the script to start #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 03:46.34 | MrBucket42 | Hello! |
| 03:46.37 | mxldr | how should i fix it |
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| 03:46.40 | poonj | I haven't used linux in about 18 months. and the software is really developed now. WINE is so damn automated |
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| 03:46.54 | mxldr | this is my first line |
| 03:46.57 | mxldr | #!/usr/bin/perl |
| 03:47.02 | carrot | why does everyone use 'foo' instead of 'thing' or something like that |
| 03:47.03 | Davenshir | Hey guys. |
| 03:47.10 | XXL | Kupal....I'm actually on CentOS...but regardless...would you recommend it with BFD / APF already installed? |
| 03:47.13 | caphuso | carrot: /msg dpkg foo |
| 03:47.20 | MrBucket42 | Is there a remote security asessment tool that I can run in windows2k? |
| 03:47.21 | nvz | carrot: you are so unimaginative |
| 03:47.39 | Kupal[]__ | XXL i no nothing about CentOS so... |
| 03:47.43 | maher | mxldr: paste the first 3 lines in #flood |
| 03:47.47 | Kupal[]__ | but it sounds like you got enough running. |
| 03:47.53 | mxldr | ok! |
| 03:48.05 | holo | carrot, why do cows moo instead of barking? --> see apt-get moo |
| 03:48.11 | Kupal[]__ | the whole logging thing only gives you answers when your stressed.. but never relief after you have been stressed. |
| 03:48.14 | Davenshir | Anyone able to answer some noooooob questions for me? |
| 03:48.17 | Kupal[]__ | well maybe sometimes. |
| 03:48.19 | carrot | hmm i think i've seen the moo one |
| 03:48.23 | Kupal[]__ | its all security theory... |
| 03:48.24 | maher | holo: but what if the cow has super powers? |
| 03:48.28 | nvz | apt, moo? |
| 03:48.29 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 03:48.29 | XXL | Its linux OS anyway, replicate of Enterprise |
| 03:48.36 | Kupal[]__ | so for me to recommend something like that is trvial. |
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| 03:48.44 | Kupal[]__ | XXL so your running a redhat os basically. |
| 03:48.51 | XXL | Pretty much yes |
| 03:48.52 | holo | maher, then she is a SuperCow and she uses opensource |
| 03:48.57 | XXL | CentOS is really awesome |
| 03:49.00 | XXL | I have it on many servers |
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| 03:49.06 | thingfish | centos is built from rhel source rpms. |
| 03:49.14 | thingfish | it's basically rhel. |
| 03:49.14 | Kupal[]__ | XXL, only ppl who are arogant in there security theories will give you recommendations for what your asking. |
| 03:49.17 | XXL | recommend it over fedora, enterprise (free version thats why) |
| 03:49.24 | thingfish | so go to #centos, XXL |
| 03:49.58 | Kupal[]__ | but i would recommend something based on IMON for f.s. monitoring is it doesn't probe the F.S> but watches for kernel calls. |
| 03:49.58 | XXL | I want to ask...what makes Debian stand out differently than other common Linux platforms? |
| 03:49.59 | Kupal[]__ | if you want real security look into linuxSE |
| 03:50.04 | jazzmans | XXL, apt. |
| 03:50.09 | Kupal[]__ | XXL slow release schedules, knowledgable users. |
| 03:50.18 | karsten | XXL: WRT tripwire: AIDE + Tripwire is generally more useful. IIRC there's a writeup about how the Debian servers are set up with same following the root compromise last fall. |
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| 03:50.36 | karsten | XXL: Google "why debian rocks". Short answer: Policy. |
| 03:50.42 | maher | XXL: upgrade in place |
| 03:50.43 | XXL | ok :) |
| 03:50.47 | Davenshir | Hey guys, I'm currently running Freesco as a router and after talking to a friend he suggested that I use Debian, but it's an OS not a router right? Or can it be used as one? |
| 03:50.51 | XXL | btw...whoever typed linuxSE |
| 03:50.56 | XXL | is that an OS ? |
| 03:51.06 | shingouz | Davenshir: in short, yes |
| 03:51.07 | jazzmans | XXL, google is your freind. |
| 03:51.09 | ar3dam | hi there... for accident, i remove all my files from my home directory, i can unremove?, i type rm -rf * /floppy |
| 03:51.12 | XXL | Have you heard of Trustix OS? Secured / hardened OS too |
| 03:51.18 | nvz | XXL: I think he was referring to security enhanced linux |
| 03:51.19 | karsten | Davenshir: If Freesco is working for you, then use it. Debian can be configured as a router, but you need to know what you're doing. Yes, it's a full OS. |
| 03:51.25 | XXL | yes |
| 03:51.27 | XXL | ok |
| 03:51.36 | maher | ar3dam: what fs |
| 03:51.38 | dondelelcaro | Davenshir: the kernel with ip has everything you need. |
| 03:51.43 | MrBucket42 | Is this support? |
| 03:51.48 | karsten | XXL: SELinux. There are hardening packages w/in Debian to get most of the way there. |
| 03:51.55 | ar3dam | maher, fs is ext3.. |
| 03:51.57 | Kupal[]__ | all of linux is an os, routers are basically the same thing as a server but works on headers of tcp traffic, servers run on oses so yes your router has an os, yes linux is an os, yes debian is an os, yes debian can do all sorts of rotueing. |
| 03:52.03 | dondelelcaro | Davenshir: whether you use Debian or freesco, that's up to you |
| 03:52.07 | shingouz | Davenshir: if you only use the freesco as a router, keep on doing so by all means. very easy to configure and looks like it is rock solid |
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| 03:52.11 | nvz | XXL: its a part of the 2.6 kernel, it enforces security policies at a kernel level |
| 03:52.16 | maher | ar3dam: i think you're out of luck |
| 03:52.16 | ryan- | Davenshir: If you're a contol freak, and don't mind getting your hands dirty, then you may like the switch. |
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| 03:52.29 | ar3dam | maher, why? |
| 03:52.50 | karsten | Davenshir: Advantage of running Debian would be that your firewall/router can do more. OTOH, that's both an asset and a liability. |
| 03:52.54 | Davenshir | Well Freesco isn't working that well for me, I'm having a heck of a time getting game servers to run behind it. |
| 03:53.11 | karsten | Davenshir: Do you understand _why_ they're not running properly? |
| 03:53.11 | ar3dam | maher, i cant restore my files?? |
| 03:53.18 | nvz | hahaha |
| 03:53.29 | ireverentReveren | nvz, xbindkeys doesnt see a keystroke either.... |
| 03:53.30 | karsten | Davenshir: ...that's more key to your solving the problem than what you're running on the router. |
| 03:53.37 | maher | ar3dam: do you have a backup? |
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| 03:53.49 | Davenshir | Yes and no, I've been on the forums there and they keep telling me to port foward, I do and it still doesn't work. |
| 03:54.08 | ryan- | Davenshir: How are you setting up port forwarding? |
| 03:54.12 | nvz | ireverentReveren: I have no idea, if it doesnt see it, there isnt a keystroke |
| 03:54.19 | ryan- | Are you sure you're using the right ports? |
| 03:54.20 | karsten | ar3dam: Short answer: Linux filesystems don't support "undelete". The system is currently (re)writing blocks of data. You might be able to recover some data, but not all of it. Use backups. |
| 03:54.21 | Davenshir | I've also been told that the NE2000 nic I'm using could be an issue. |
| 03:54.35 | karsten | !undelete |
| 03:54.36 | dpkg | [undelete] great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc |
| 03:54.38 | ryan- | And the right protocol (tcp vs udp)? |
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| 03:54.58 | ireverentReveren | nvz shoot. i was hoping to be able to map my "suspend" key to hibernate |
| 03:55.17 | karsten | dpkg: undelete is also only vfat/msdos and ext2fs provide moderately reliable undelete options. For ext3fs, reiser, xfs, jfs, you're SoL. |
| 03:55.19 | dpkg | karsten: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 03:55.24 | Davenshir | Aye, I've search blizzard support found the right ports, and opened them through the contorl panel, and manually writen them in. I've opened both UDP, and TCP. |
| 03:55.39 | karsten | dpkg undelete is also only vfat/msdos and ext2fs provide moderately reliable undelete options. For ext3fs, reiser, xfs, jfs, you're SoL. |
| 03:55.39 | dpkg | karsten: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 03:55.46 | karsten | !kick dpkg |
| 03:56.03 | karsten | dpkg: forget undelete |
| 03:56.03 | dpkg | i forgot undelete, karsten |
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| 03:56.12 | holo | !kick holo |
| 03:56.14 | ryan- | Davenshir: ask the fresco people. |
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| 03:56.17 | holo | :D |
| 03:56.43 | Davenshir | Lol, I have. No solution. So a friend told me about Debian. |
| 03:56.50 | maher | ar3dam: if you're really desperate try sleuthkit |
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| 03:57.10 | ryan- | Davenshir: hm. |
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| 03:57.24 | Davenshir | Ok well I guess the best way to do this is just jump right in. I'm always up for a challenge. |
| 03:57.29 | ar3dam | maher, thk very, very much..... |
| 03:57.39 | karsten | dpkg: undelete is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. |
| 03:57.39 | dpkg | karsten: safe delete has been disable so what is there to undelete? |
| 03:57.47 | maher | ar3dam: the chances of yougetting any files back are very small |
| 03:57.56 | caphuso | karsten: you can't have a factoid named "undelete" |
| 03:58.04 | karsten | caphuso: There was one. |
| 03:58.09 | karsten | dpkg: undeleting is Linux doesn't generally support 'undeleting' files. For ext2fs *only*, use mc (Midnight Commander), umount the fs, and select "Undelete files" form menu. With ext3fs, reiserfs, jfs, xfs, you're SooL. |
| 03:58.09 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 03:58.15 | karsten | caphuso: Hacks rule. |
| 03:58.26 | caphuso | !listkeys undelete |
| 03:58.27 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'undelete' by key returned no results. |
| 03:58.36 | karsten | !listkeys undelete* |
| 03:58.38 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'undelete*' by key returned no results. |
| 03:58.38 | ryan- | o_O |
| 03:58.41 | karsten | !listkeys undelet* |
| 03:58.43 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'undelet*' by key (2): undeletion ;; undeleting. |
| 03:58.43 | holo | karsten, is there any recicle bin implementation for use with the shell? whenever i use rm |
| 03:58.56 | MrBucket42 | Hello? |
| 03:58.59 | karsten | holo: Some of the desktop environments have 'trash' |
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| 03:59.06 | caphuso | holo: use mv instead of rm |
| 03:59.11 | ryan- | holo: there's an LD_PRELOAD trick you can do. |
| 03:59.14 | karsten | dpkg: undeleting is also some desktops (GNOME/KDE) offer a trash bin. |
| 03:59.14 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 03:59.15 | caphuso | problem solved, everyone happy |
| 03:59.15 | poonj | in ext3, you can't recover files? |
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| 03:59.23 | caphuso | poonj: not really |
| 03:59.29 | ryan- | libtrash or something. |
| 03:59.33 | karsten | poonj: Not with any reliability. |
| 03:59.37 | holo | karsten, i use desktop environments but i don't use file browsers |
| 03:59.43 | poonj | caphuso, how does the whole detetion process work? |
| 03:59.47 | karsten | holo: Be careful. |
| 03:59.52 | poonj | in terms of the HD and I/O |
| 03:59.52 | caphuso | poonj: the what? |
| 03:59.56 | poonj | ext3 |
| 04:00.06 | caphuso | poonj: what process? |
| 04:00.11 | holo | caphuso, yes, that would be a script with a mv command, if rm then move :s |
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| 04:00.29 | poonj | what mechanism in ext3 that makes it impossible to recover data? |
| 04:00.38 | ryan- | holo: that will bite you in the ass when you use a system that doesn't have that script/ |
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| 04:00.54 | ryan- | poonj: it's not impossible. |
| 04:01.08 | ryan- | it's just very hard, and no good tool exists to do it. |
| 04:01.10 | poonj | ryan-: unreliably I should say |
| 04:01.10 | holo | ryan-, or the script exists and i install it, or i'll make it myself |
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| 04:01.19 | caphuso | poonj: http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ext3-no-undeletion.html |
| 04:01.27 | jetscreamer | have any of ya'll installed the cg toolkit, and if so where the hell is it installed to |
| 04:01.32 | caphuso | also http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
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| 04:02.23 | ireverentReveren | nvz, one of the keys i wanted to map doesnt register with xbindkeys, but while logged in to a non-xtty when pressed, it shows an error and says to "use setkeycodes e001 <keycode> to make it known... so SOMETHING is getting through on that one, just nothing to xbindkeys... |
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| 04:03.07 | Kupal[]__ | mail chats are so annoying. |
| 04:03.10 | jetscreamer | shit, files survive repartitioning and mkfs with ext3 |
| 04:03.28 | poonj | speaking of storage and recovery....is it possible to encrypt data to the HD? I guess I'm asking...are thre tools to make my computer military grade? |
| 04:03.31 | Kupal[]__ | so many ppl are so arrogant about what they know, and b.s. so much. |
| 04:03.36 | jetscreamer | you can probably hexedit the disk and replace the first char |
| 04:03.44 | Kupal[]__ | </end rant> |
| 04:03.47 | BrianS | hey, I"m setting up Debian on a laptop... but... where the heck do I find refresh rates for laptop screens? I'm installing the Debain ATI drivers... but part of it is to configure X.conf.... I haven't the foggiest where to find the vertical and horizontal refresh rates for a laptop screen. Dell doesn't support linux so they'll tell me to go fly a kite. :( |
| 04:04.00 | zinx | poonj: yes, but it won't be military grade.. password capture devices are easy to make. |
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| 04:04.22 | ireverentReveren | BrianS if you feel like calling they still have to tell you the raw info like that |
| 04:04.25 | briareus | BrianS google up the debian laptop survival guide |
| 04:04.31 | jetscreamer | googleing the monitor usually turns up the v&h rates for me |
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| 04:04.38 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 04:04.49 | ireverentReveren | BrianS i would google the model or /msg dpkg laptops first though |
| 04:04.51 | BrianS | yeah, but it's not really a "monitor" ... it's just a part of the laptop.. |
| 04:04.56 | holo | and what about a program that copys file arguments to a file (copy), and can be run several times, till one decides to paste to a certain destination, and then paste goes get the arguments in the file and run several instances of cp as much as the arguments, it leaves a mark in the file so when copy is ran again it will no paste has been ran also, so the file is cleaned |
| 04:05.10 | jetscreamer | yeah well i know dell has the specs of it,k linux has nothing to do with the hw |
| 04:05.15 | BrianS | I can't google a model monitor... I tried googling the model laptop though |
| 04:05.16 | jetscreamer | well you know what i mean |
| 04:05.24 | BrianS | yeah |
| 04:05.27 | BrianS | I called them once... |
| 04:05.31 | BrianS | for another laptop |
| 04:05.40 | BrianS | I think they made up the numbers they gave me |
| 04:05.42 | maher | poonj: there is an encypted lopback device you can use |
| 04:05.50 | jetscreamer | i've usually been able to find stuff on dells at dell's, iirc |
| 04:05.51 | ryan- | BrianS: Dell does support linux, but only on servers. |
| 04:05.53 | ireverentReveren | !tell BrianS about laptops |
| 04:05.59 | poonj | maher, are these hardware devices? |
| 04:06.05 | poonj | maher, or software based? |
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| 04:06.20 | jetscreamer | i get more hp though |
| 04:06.24 | maher | poonj: sw - you make a file / partition and write to it |
| 04:07.06 | maher | poonj: remember to use tin foil for wall paper too |
| 04:07.13 | jetscreamer | and make a hat |
| 04:07.21 | jetscreamer | a lead hat |
| 04:07.26 | jetscreamer | helmet |
| 04:07.27 | poonj | tin foil? |
| 04:07.45 | jetscreamer | you're right poonj lead would be better for the walls too |
| 04:07.47 | thingfish | hehe |
| 04:07.51 | diego | how do i get `/etc/init.d/myinitscript.sh start` to run on system boot? |
| 04:08.04 | jetscreamer | make it +x maybe |
| 04:08.19 | maher | http://zapatopi.net/afdb.html |
| 04:08.25 | diego | jetscreamer: it has +x permissions |
| 04:08.28 | tzafrir_laptop | diego, update-rc.d |
| 04:08.50 | jetscreamer | i always qualify what i don't know :) |
| 04:08.50 | maher | http://zapatopi.net/mindguard.html |
| 04:09.01 | poonj | jetscreamer, for me or for the hd? |
| 04:09.18 | poonj | jetscreamer, lead would be great, except its kidn of poisonous |
| 04:09.19 | tzafrir_laptop | diego, actually: chances it is started, but exists immidietl |
| 04:09.32 | maher | poonj: otherwise people can use electromegnetic detoectors toread what's on your screen |
| 04:09.39 | tzafrir_laptop | check also /etc/default/thatpackage |
| 04:09.47 | jetscreamer | poonj, btw the comment about how i find it hard to get rid of files w/ext3 was for you |
| 04:09.53 | Kupal[]__ | can i laptop brand name flame. |
| 04:09.56 | Kupal[]__ | i hear hp and dell. |
| 04:10.03 | jetscreamer | and hexediting the disk |
| 04:10.07 | poonj | thanks jetscreamer |
| 04:10.12 | maher | jetscreamer: drop the drive in a bucket of petrol and then set fire to it |
| 04:10.16 | jetscreamer | i just said i get more hp work |
| 04:10.17 | diego | tzafrir_laptop: it's not a package...it's my own init script. i don't think it would have started...looking through update-rc.d man page now, i'll let you know if this works (and ty) |
| 04:10.48 | abrocadabro | diego: put that in /etc/rc2.d, have a look inside that folder |
| 04:11.05 | jetscreamer | maher, my theory is first, a very powerful homemade electormagnet, then, drop it in a small container of acid, probably sulfuric. |
| 04:11.14 | jetscreamer | electro |
| 04:11.20 | tzafrir_laptop | diego, update-rc.d myinitscript.sh defaults |
| 04:11.21 | maher | jetscreamer: tear out the platters and eat them |
| 04:11.24 | diego | should i do: update-rc.d myinitscript.sh defaults |
| 04:11.32 | diego | tzafrir_laptop: doh, uh...gj also |
| 04:11.33 | diego | hehe |
| 04:11.39 | tzafrir_laptop | Unless you need it to start before/after a cetain service |
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| 04:12.01 | diego | tzafrir_laptop: mm..i don't believe so...maybe after apache but i'll see if this works |
| 04:12.15 | jetscreamer | maher, if i have enough time, i'd take the drive apart and break the platters and drop the pieces in the acid.. scan it with the magnet first open |
| 04:12.24 | jetscreamer | hotswap of course |
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| 04:12.40 | jetscreamer | i could just run it open in a clean room i guess |
| 04:12.42 | tzafrir_laptop | diego, if it doesn't work and get stuck, then maybe it should be after sshd |
| 04:13.05 | diego | tzafrir_laptop: why do you say that? |
| 04:13.39 | jetscreamer | i installed the cg toolkit but i can't find it :( |
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| 04:14.17 | maher | jetscreamer: now that's security for you |
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| 04:14.37 | djperegrine | How do I compile and run java programs with the free java sdk ? |
| 04:14.47 | diego | cool, it worked |
| 04:14.50 | jetscreamer | very carefully |
| 04:15.22 | jetscreamer | you never know when the javahackers wil be lurking |
| 04:16.26 | rob^ | haha |
| 04:16.29 | Ronin | jetscreamer: on purpose? |
| 04:16.46 | abrocadabro | is there a debian sarge rescue cd? I have net install cd but I can't really use the cd to boot into my system and change stuff |
| 04:17.26 | djperegrine | abrocadabro , knoppix :D |
| 04:17.47 | jetscreamer | the recommend method is to boot the installer up until the point of partitioning, then shell out chroot and fix it |
| 04:18.09 | jetscreamer | i have better rescue cd's than knoppix.. one moment |
| 04:18.38 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:18.51 | jetscreamer | errr links to... |
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| 04:19.16 | caphuso | btw, they're both written with a "v" |
| 04:19.19 | caphuso | damn |
| 04:19.41 | jetscreamer | they *may* have put a rescue thang in rc3 maybe.... no idea |
| 04:19.48 | jetscreamer | i doubt it though |
| 04:21.00 | rob^ | hmm, I installed sleuthkit and autopsy, when I run autopsy it complains about a missing sstring executable |
| 04:21.24 | rob^ | hmm.. make that sstrings executable |
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| 04:26.29 | DebUser | How can I check packages/versioning, etc with dpkg (I don't have a browser accessable to me here) |
| 04:26.58 | thingfish | DebUser: dpkg -s packagename |
| 04:27.09 | DebUser | Thanks |
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| 04:28.39 | jetscreamer | damn http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/prospective |
| 04:28.46 | hulo_ | jetscreamer: you think those rescue CDs are better than knoppix? |
| 04:28.49 | DebUser | Hm... can't seem to find it. Does anyone know whether a DynDNS client (like DDClient) is available through the official repository? |
| 04:29.16 | tga | $IPT -A FORWARD -p tcp -i $WAN --source <ip> -j ACCEPT |
| 04:29.16 | tga | $IPT -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp --source <ip> -i $WAN -j DNAT --to <lan ip> |
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| 04:29.37 | hulo_ | DebUser: yes |
| 04:29.42 | maher | DebUser: apt-cache search dyndns |
| 04:29.45 | hulo_ | ddclient is the best |
| 04:29.46 | tga | should this give <ip> access to all <lan ip>? |
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| 04:30.20 | sinoth | does anyone know a linux equivalent of the foobar2000 media player? |
| 04:30.30 | tga | sinoth: what does foobar2000 do that xmms doesn't? |
| 04:30.54 | sinoth | tga: beautiful album lists and better playlist management |
| 04:31.32 | hulo_ | what's that new one called? crap, can't remember the name |
| 04:31.33 | jetscreamer | just boot the installer to the partitioner point and chroot |
| 04:31.34 | rob^ | I like rhythmbox |
| 04:31.50 | thingfish | sinoth: beep-media-player maybe? |
| 04:32.01 | tga | nah, bmp is just a xmms clone |
| 04:32.07 | thingfish | yes it is |
| 04:32.09 | tga | rhythmbox maybe? |
| 04:32.35 | sinoth | i'll try rhythmbox, thanks :) |
| 04:32.59 | rob^ | np |
| 04:33.34 | hulo_ | no |
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| 04:33.50 | rob^ | ? |
| 04:34.01 | hulo_ | unless the name changed |
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| 04:34.41 | rob^ | dunno, rhythmbox is good though.. kind of like itunes |
| 04:35.00 | thingfish | yes, rhythmbox is very nice. |
| 04:35.15 | hulo_ | vlc will also play mp3's, no? |
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| 04:35.31 | rob^ | dunno never used it |
| 04:35.44 | sinoth | i dont think vlc has very good playlist organization though |
| 04:35.54 | gui1744 | anyone here used alien |
| 04:36.03 | rob^ | gui1744, yeah |
| 04:36.25 | gui1744 | im trying to install it and getting an error saying its read only |
| 04:36.37 | hulo_ | ah |
| 04:36.38 | hulo_ | zinf |
| 04:37.01 | thingfish | also there's something new for kde called amarok. |
| 04:37.11 | rob^ | thingfish, yeah |
| 04:37.15 | gui1744 | need to install RPMS and it said to use alien now i cant get it to work |
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| 04:37.30 | rob^ | totem is a good window media player ripoff |
| 04:37.47 | rob^ | gui1744, are you using apt-get to install alien? |
| 04:37.51 | holo | anyone knows how to run a command after a specfic time? |
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| 04:38.32 | hulo_ | gui1744: why do you 'need' to install an rpm? |
| 04:38.54 | rob^ | ho1o, cron, at |
| 04:39.02 | gui1744 | rob^, im a newbie so you'll need to explain. I'm running MEPIS off the cd and need to install lan drivers to get my inernet connection to go |
| 04:39.24 | hulo_ | ho1o: crontab -e |
| 04:39.27 | gui1744 | lan drivers are RPMS |
| 04:39.40 | hulo_ | no .tgz available? |
| 04:39.49 | hulo_ | what sort of lan is this? |
| 04:39.55 | maher | gui1744: cds are read only - its hard to install stuff on them |
| 04:40.17 | gui1744 | asus k8n-e deluxe mobo |
| 04:40.42 | rob^ | maher, yeah I agree |
| 04:40.45 | maher | gui1744: what version of debian |
| 04:40.55 | thingfish | mepis, I think he said. |
| 04:40.56 | gui1744 | its MEPIS |
| 04:40.57 | gui1744 | 3.3 |
| 04:41.09 | hulo_ | yeah but what is the NIC chipset? not the mobo |
| 04:41.12 | maher | gui1744: try #mepis |
| 04:41.40 | gui1744 | maher: how do I find it? |
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| 04:41.52 | thingfish | do /join #mepis |
| 04:41.56 | gui1744 | nForce3 |
| 04:42.01 | gui1744 | me thinks |
| 04:42.21 | hulo_ | gui1744: don't think. know. lspci |
| 04:42.51 | epitope | i know i think |
| 04:42.52 | epitope | :D |
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| 04:43.00 | hulo_ | gui1744: then if its not in the kernel, get a new kernel that has it |
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| 04:43.32 | gui1744 | nforce3 i'm sure |
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| 04:44.22 | bucky | gui1744, i think it's a Marvell PHY |
| 04:44.31 | hulo_ | gui1744: maybe there's a kernel patch from the chipset vendor? |
| 04:44.48 | rob^ | nforce2 is in the 2.6.8+ kernel |
| 04:44.53 | hulo_ | gui1744: then you could install the kernel-source package which matches your kernel and build the driver |
| 04:44.55 | rob^ | dunno about 3 though |
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| 04:46.47 | BrianS | arghh |
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| 04:46.55 | BrianS | called Dell about the refresh rates... they're such morons |
| 04:47.05 | travisat | BrianS: what monitor |
| 04:47.06 | BrianS | they first said, "Windows will do this automatically for you." |
| 04:47.15 | hulo_ | BrianS: the xserver normally detects the correct rates |
| 04:47.19 | BrianS | the Dell D600 laptop monitor - I |
| 04:47.30 | hulo_ | BrianS: you can usually use approximate values or ranges |
| 04:47.30 | travisat | BrianS: default should work |
| 04:47.32 | BrianS | I know.. I need to set it for the ATI drivers though |
| 04:47.35 | travisat | BrianS: default should work |
| 04:47.46 | hulo_ | X detects it when it initializes |
| 04:47.46 | BrianS | well... hold on... |
| 04:48.20 | rob^ | BrianS, well, it probably does :P |
| 04:48.24 | travisat | laptops only have one rate, as long as it is in the range it should work just fine |
| 04:48.36 | hulo_ | or just google for hsync and your chipset |
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| 04:49.47 | BrianS | I called them and sad, "I need to know the horizontal and vertical refresh rates for my computer's display."... after they told me Windows does it for me... I said, "right but in this case, I need to set it manually. This is a hardware spec that I don't have access to in my manual." They asked why I needed it. I said that I was installing Linux and that while I know that they don't support it, this is a hardware spec issue |
| 04:49.47 | BrianS | , not a Linux issue. They said, "No, it is a software issue because it is exclusive to Linux." and then refused to give me anything. |
| 04:49.48 | BrianS | :( |
| 04:50.02 | Covener | I just installed a new system from d-i, kde locks up the console when initializing -- ring a bell for anyone? |
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| 04:50.30 | hulo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:50.54 | BrianS | yeah but on an LCD display... if it's wrong will it damage the display? |
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| 04:50.59 | hulo_ | no |
| 04:51.00 | BrianS | or is that only CRT? |
| 04:51.22 | hulo_ | but did you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select 'medium' when it asks for what level? |
| 04:51.25 | BrianS | and is the refresh rate tied to the resolution? |
| 04:51.45 | BrianS | in other words, I can use the rates listed in X.conf now.... but if I up to resoltion.. doesn't it change? |
| 04:51.49 | maher | BrianS: just type in some numbers at random - you won't damage anything |
| 04:51.50 | hulo_ | higher resolution normally works with slightly lower rates |
| 04:52.07 | BrianS | hmm |
| 04:52.14 | BrianS | would 0, 0 word? |
| 04:52.16 | BrianS | work? |
| 04:52.35 | BrianS | I was told to do that somewhere? |
| 04:52.36 | hulo_ | BrianS: yes, the server will use whatever rate is appropriate at the res |
| 04:52.45 | BrianS | hmm |
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| 04:52.59 | hulo_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and select 'medium' when it asks for what level |
| 04:53.29 | renegad3 | can anyone recommend a laptop that is compatible with debian? |
| 04:53.42 | Azra`el | brian |
| 04:53.48 | YorickChan | IBM X40 |
| 04:53.51 | Azra`el | Most panels support DDC or DDC2 |
| 04:53.57 | maher | renegad3: look at linux-laptops, or but one with linux pre-installed from emperor or someone |
| 04:53.58 | Azra`el | so don't put anything for rates. |
| 04:54.04 | Azra`el | and it should Just Work(tm) |
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| 04:54.12 | renegad3 | ok kewl thnx maher |
| 04:54.20 | Azra`el | renegad3, thinkpad A22e |
| 04:54.21 | Azra`el | =D |
| 04:54.27 | maher | renegad3: eracks sell laptops too |
| 04:54.27 | jetscreamer | note that 1024x768@75 ... the 75 is refresh rate, but that's not the same as xvrefresh and xhrefresh |
| 04:54.35 | renegad3 | ok |
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| 04:54.54 | abrotman | jetscreamer: that's an email address! |
| 04:55.03 | Azra`el | @75.org? |
| 04:55.04 | abrotman | renegad3: mine is :) |
| 04:55.05 | Azra`el | :o |
| 04:55.15 | abrotman | renegad3: most of the IBM stuff works realyl well |
| 04:55.21 | abrotman | renegad3: but it's a bit pricier |
| 04:55.25 | Azra`el | not all of it. but a big chunk |
| 04:55.27 | jetscreamer | we're so l337 we have our own toplevel domain |
| 04:55.31 | Azra`el | i paid $300 for mine |
| 04:55.41 | renegad3 | ohh kewl, i was looking for IBM ones, because I might get a discount from them ;) |
| 04:55.48 | abrotman | i paid $1400 .. but i've a friend at IBM .. i got EPP !!! |
| 04:55.56 | jetscreamer | so just @75 will do |
| 04:56.01 | abrotman | EPP rules! |
| 04:56.10 | abrotman | renegad3: is that what you're doing .. EPP ? |
| 04:56.18 | renegad3 | abrotman, do you have a URL for your lappy? |
| 04:56.28 | abrotman | renegad3: mine is a G40 .. 1.5 years old .. |
| 04:56.33 | renegad3 | I dont know what EPP is abrotman ? |
| 04:56.34 | abrotman | renegad3: i can give you the machine number if you want |
| 04:56.49 | renegad3 | yer that would be cool |
| 04:56.52 | abrotman | renegad3: 2384-33U |
| 04:56.58 | renegad3 | ta |
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| 04:57.12 | abrotman | renegad3: G40 .. weighs a bit more .. but not a problem with running linux .. even the winmodem works |
| 04:57.23 | abrotman | and the silly TP buttons |
| 04:57.41 | renegad3 | aight np |
| 04:57.51 | renegad3 | and what is EPP? |
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| 04:58.00 | abrotman | but i really bought mine because it doesn't have a glidepoint .. i got a nubbie! |
| 04:58.07 | b-_-d | what is debian kernel based on? |
| 04:58.10 | abrotman | renegad3: Employee Purchase Program |
| 04:58.16 | renegad3 | ohh ok |
| 04:58.22 | BrianS | I'm still pissed at Dell |
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| 04:58.33 | BrianS | why can't any OEM at least take Linux somewhat seriously? |
| 04:58.39 | abrotman | renegad3: ie .. if your friend works for IBM . he can give you the stuf you need to get into the EPP section ... about 7-10% off |
| 04:58.41 | Azra`el | Reuben. |
| 04:58.50 | renegad3 | well im not a eployee of IBM, but am contracted by them |
| 04:59.05 | abrotman | renegad3: find a person who will give you thier EPP stuff |
| 04:59.07 | BrianS | like I mean.. how hard would it be to provide documention online with hardware specs for Linux users? It's not like we ever would call Dell for tech support anyways with Linux... we could support them to be honest. |
| 04:59.11 | maher | BrianS: you can buy laptops with linux pre-installed from eracks and emperor computers |
| 04:59.14 | b-_-d | a good bit of chat is going on about debian-2.6.10-r6 |
| 04:59.18 | BrianS | I know... I looked at those |
| 04:59.20 | grumpydog | Azra`el, :) |
| 04:59.23 | rob^ | BrianS because they feel they dont have to, I usually dont mention Linux, once you do they clam up. |
| 04:59.28 | renegad3 | hrmm, that can be arranged ;) |
| 04:59.30 | BrianS | and I actually owned the HP nx5000 linux laptop previously |
| 04:59.36 | b-_-d | is the the wrong denian chanel to ask that in? |
| 04:59.44 | abrotman | BrianS: http://www.domsch.com/linux/ |
| 04:59.53 | abrotman | b-_-d: it's based of the kernel.org kernel ? |
| 04:59.58 | abrotman | err off the |
| 05:00.11 | b-_-d | ok |
| 05:00.17 | abrotman | b-_-d: what were you expectiing ? |
| 05:00.23 | BrianS | abrotman - is that your site? |
| 05:00.25 | b-_-d | so not ac patch code etc.. |
| 05:00.32 | abrotman | BrianS: i am not matt domsch :) |
| 05:00.37 | BrianS | hahaha |
| 05:00.38 | abrotman | b-_-d: oh . not that i'm aware .. |
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| 05:00.43 | BrianS | ok... fair enough |
| 05:00.49 | abrotman | b-_-d: check the kernel-image page .. check the changelog |
| 05:00.52 | b-_-d | i tested 2.6.10-FC |
| 05:01.01 | b-_-d | it is ac based |
| 05:01.10 | abrotman | because ac owrks for RH :) |
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| 05:01.31 | b-_-d | gentoo kenrnel did not test soo well |
| 05:01.46 | abrotman | don't tell them that |
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| 05:02.52 | BrianS | ac = you abrotman? |
| 05:03.01 | BrianS | ah |
| 05:03.02 | abrotman | BrianS: AC = Alan Cox |
| 05:03.02 | BrianS | nevermind |
| 05:03.04 | BrianS | just figured it out |
| 05:03.05 | BrianS | yeah |
| 05:03.25 | BrianS | saw the A and didn't think |
| 05:03.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 05:03.33 | abrotman | i'm not nearly as smart as AC |
| 05:03.37 | BrianS | don't mind me... I'm a retard... I should be wearing a helmet |
| 05:03.47 | BrianS | no offense to anybody here who is retarded |
| 05:04.10 | abrotman | just debhelper |
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| 05:07.11 | Todd_ | I think i messed up my logs, I did rm /var/log/* -rf just to clear them but now none will generate. Is there anything I can do to fix this? |
| 05:07.32 | abrotman | heh |
| 05:07.36 | maher | Todd_: you'll need to restart them |
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| 05:07.38 | abrotman | restart the system probably |
| 05:07.50 | abrotman | or be happy? |
| 05:07.51 | Todd_ | oh, alright, thanks |
| 05:08.21 | Todd_ | :/ exim stopped working at that exact same time |
| 05:08.36 | maher | Todd_: restart all you services |
| 05:08.43 | abrotman | restart the computer |
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| 05:09.57 | Todd_ | hmmmm |
| 05:10.06 | Todd_ | its not coming back..... |
| 05:10.20 | Todd_ | the computer that is |
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| 05:10.47 | abrotman | was it remote? |
| 05:10.51 | abrotman | err is it |
| 05:10.55 | Todd_ | yes |
| 05:10.57 | abrotman | well mm maybe was it |
| 05:11.05 | sarathms | only root is able to use my |
| 05:11.07 | abrotman | and it's critical isn't it ? |
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| 05:11.12 | sarathms | only root is able to use my internet connection |
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| 05:11.20 | maher | abrotman: looks like was... |
| 05:11.28 | abrotman | like .. the ICBM controls for canada? |
| 05:11.37 | thingfish | hehe |
| 05:11.47 | Todd_ | cananda has icbms? |
| 05:11.53 | abrotman | like i would know |
| 05:12.02 | Todd_ | damnit |
| 05:12.07 | Todd_ | my servers not coming back |
| 05:12.11 | maher | Todd_: intercontinental ballistic mounties |
| 05:12.16 | abrotman | heh |
| 05:12.16 | chealer | Todd_: not nuclear ones anyway |
| 05:12.19 | Todd_ | lol |
| 05:12.46 | chealer | you need to be in the security council or in the axis of evil to have some |
| 05:12.48 | Todd_ | whew ssh |
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| 05:13.01 | Todd_ | thought i didn't do -r mabye |
| 05:13.19 | abrotman | Burt Gummer: I feel I was denied critical need-to-know information. |
| 05:13.41 | abrotman | which movie .. anyone .. anyone .. ? |
| 05:13.41 | Todd_ | says Unable to open logs |
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| 05:13.55 | Azra`el | abrotman, tremors. |
| 05:13.58 | abrotman | Todd_: what does tha tmean? |
| 05:14.10 | abrotman | Azra`el: that's just wrong .. i can't believe someone else knew that |
| 05:14.21 | Azra`el | heh |
| 05:14.24 | Todd_ | what apache says |
| 05:14.32 | abrotman | Todd_: huh? |
| 05:14.36 | nvz | I just took my keyboard apart and filed off the Copy, Cut, Paste, Cal, Favorites, Back, Forward, Refresh, Search, Home, Mail keys.. heh I got 7 others for Multimedia functions, but those other 11 I didnt like the way they were marked, I would never use them for that purpose |
| 05:14.36 | abrotman | Todd_: only apache didn't start? |
| 05:14.48 | abrotman | Todd_: mkdir /var/logs/apache |
| 05:14.51 | Todd_ | that i know of |
| 05:14.57 | abrotman | then restart apache |
| 05:15.25 | nvz | I got me 11 blank function keys now, 4 on the right side, 4 on the left side, and 3 on the top (: |
| 05:15.40 | abrotman | it sure would be nice .. to file wishlist bugs to have all programs that create a subdir in the log dir to check to make sure it's there before starting the daemon |
| 05:16.05 | abrotman | nvz: beer buttons! |
| 05:16.21 | b-_-d | is sarge amd64 ported? |
| 05:16.23 | abrotman | nvz: you can almost go through a 12 pack! |
| 05:16.30 | abrotman | b-_-d: /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 05:16.40 | b-_-d | i am not brave enoff to try sid |
| 05:16.41 | nvz | abrotman: *shrug* I got all 18 buttons entered in xbindkeys-config, but dont have any commands set |
| 05:16.57 | abrotman | nvz: web/mail/term .. i'm out of ideas :) |
| 05:17.20 | Azra`el | heh |
| 05:17.22 | maher | nvz: you need a rm -rf / self destuct button |
| 05:17.26 | Azra`el | yeah! |
| 05:17.33 | Azra`el | and have it randomize them |
| 05:17.40 | Azra`el | =} |
| 05:17.48 | nvz | abrotman: that stuff is started from my xsession and (supposed to be) matched by sawfish and put full resolution, ignored, skipped, and with enter-exit focus into their own workspace |
| 05:17.51 | maher | nvz: but make it do a countdown first |
| 05:18.04 | abrotman | nvz: beer buttons! |
| 05:18.34 | nvz | too bad I dont have a bunch of different colored nail polish.. I could color code them |
| 05:18.39 | abrotman | nvz: beer buttons! |
| 05:18.43 | Todd_ | abrotman: thanks, i have logs! i hope apache was the only thing though |
| 05:18.49 | abrotman | Todd_: you sure? |
| 05:18.56 | nvz | they are all sanded and ready for painting :P |
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| 05:19.05 | abrotman | Todd_: like exim ? |
| 05:19.14 | abrotman | or ksysmoops ? |
| 05:19.18 | abrotman | or news ? |
| 05:19.21 | abrotman | or ntpstats ? |
| 05:19.25 | Todd_ | no clue |
| 05:19.28 | abrotman | heh |
| 05:20.10 | nvz | I should program them all to different sound effects :P |
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| 05:20.33 | abrotman | nvz: fart noises! |
| 05:20.38 | abrotman | nvz: beer buttons! |
| 05:20.39 | Todd_ | wont do that again... |
| 05:20.41 | pluto | hi |
| 05:20.48 | nvz | hell I could put all 122 buttons into xbindkeys and make them all have a different sound effect |
| 05:20.49 | abrotman | Todd_: good plan .. use logrotate |
| 05:20.53 | maher | nvz: the three "i didn't as for the anal probe" sound clips |
| 05:21.15 | rob^ | hey, is there a NVU deb package somewhere? apt-cache brings up nothing but the NVU site suggests there is. |
| 05:21.23 | Todd_ | why dont programs just remake the directory if it doesn't exist |
| 05:21.26 | abrotman | nvz: how about i send you a sound clip of me saying "I'm gonna kill that Klaus Knopper mother fucker" |
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| 05:22.34 | rob^ | I really dont want to install the rpm |
| 05:22.40 | tzafrir_laptop | Todd_, because you may have given them a lousy default |
| 05:22.44 | abrotman | rob^: alien |
| 05:22.56 | abrotman | tzafrir_laptop: right ... like /var/log/apache |
| 05:22.57 | karsten | rob^: WTF is NVU? |
| 05:23.04 | rob^ | abrotman, yeah, I know how to install it, I would just rather install the .deb |
| 05:23.06 | karsten | rob^: ...and what abrotman said. |
| 05:23.09 | abrotman | rob^: alien |
| 05:23.11 | tzafrir_laptop | mozilla's composer |
| 05:23.13 | karsten | rob^: alien creates a deb. |
| 05:23.13 | abrotman | !alien |
| 05:23.13 | dpkg | i heard alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 05:23.17 | tzafrir_laptop | netxt generation |
| 05:23.24 | calin | !d-i |
| 05:23.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 05:23.28 | karsten | rob^: man alien |
| 05:23.30 | abrotman | !fart |
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| 05:23.41 | rob^ | nvu is a wysiwyg web page tool |
| 05:24.02 | tzafrir_laptop | rob^, you can try looking at apt-get.org |
| 05:24.19 | tzafrir_laptop | No guaranteed as to the the quality of packages you'll run into |
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| 05:24.28 | rob^ | heh |
| 05:24.32 | mwilson | <sigh> |
| 05:24.51 | sh0rt | rob^: http://www.autistici.org/giskard/nvu/nvu-xfree/nvu_0.80-1_i386.deb |
| 05:24.55 | abrotman | mwilson: but you just got here |
| 05:25.31 | rob^ | thanks, I just found 0.9 though |
| 05:25.47 | sh0rt | where |
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| 05:26.29 | nvz | the shitty part of this is, the functions I would want these keys to do are sawfish functions.. maybe this sawfish-client thingy will let me send commands from xbindkeys to sawfish |
| 05:26.31 | chealer | !nvu |
| 05:26.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvu is a Mozilla based website editing program, at http://www.nvu.com/. No Debian package yet. |
| 05:26.40 | chealer | so the factoid would be outdated |
| 05:26.56 | abrotman | why? |
| 05:27.03 | abrotman | there's no debian package yet |
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| 05:28.13 | Todd_ | is nvu nice? |
| 05:29.01 | abrotman | !abuse k-dog |
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| 05:30.37 | rob^ | sh0rt, it will be at: http://www.linuxhd.com/nvu_0.90-1_i386.deb soon.. |
| 05:30.39 | rob^ | not just yet |
| 05:30.52 | sh0rt | bugger |
| 05:30.55 | mwilson | grrrrr |
| 05:31.00 | mwilson | stupid system |
| 05:31.11 | abrotman | we get <sigh> and grrrrr |
| 05:31.13 | abrotman | :) |
| 05:31.20 | chealer | rob^: you should ask them where are the sid packages. nvu seems worth trying |
| 05:31.28 | mwilson | heh... I have to sit here and wait for a phone call |
| 05:31.30 | abrotman | chealer: check the wnpp stuff |
| 05:31.50 | mwilson | chealer: If you think there should be packages, why aren't you creating them? |
| 05:31.59 | abrotman | mwilson: are you at work? |
| 05:32.18 | Todd_ | nvu is on apt-get.org |
| 05:32.20 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=231025 |
| 05:32.35 | abrotman | the nvu is in the new queue |
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| 05:32.39 | mwilson | abrotman: No, but it's work-related. |
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| 05:32.56 | nvz | man I got 18 function keys and cant think of what to do with any of em.. heh |
| 05:33.01 | abrotman | mwilson: it's like . 930 on a saturday no? |
| 05:33.15 | mwilson | Yes. |
| 05:33.19 | abrotman | bummer |
| 05:33.51 | mwilson | All part of being a responsible admin. |
| 05:33.57 | abrotman | ha! |
| 05:34.06 | abrotman | that's why i'm irresponsible |
| 05:34.08 | nvz | hopefully you are charging double |
| 05:34.12 | mwilson | What, you don't think I'm responsible? |
| 05:34.20 | abrotman | i did'nt say that |
| 05:34.28 | abrotman | my bosses don't even have my cell number |
| 05:34.30 | mwilson | Charging double for what? It's my job. |
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| 05:34.41 | abrotman | mostly because it's GSM and i go to the country a lot where it doesn't work .. but oh well |
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| 05:35.24 | cheako | Any one use udev and getty? |
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| 05:36.00 | cheako | barbm@filbert:~$ ls /dev/tty3 |
| 05:36.00 | cheako | ls: /dev/tty3: No such file or directory |
| 05:36.00 | mwilson | abrotman: My phone is company-provided. I wouldn't have one otherwise. |
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| 05:36.24 | abrotman | mwilson: i offered to have them do that for me . they wouldn't .. they just keep complaining they dont' have my number |
| 05:36.26 | mwilson | cheako: Yes, I'd hope so. If you had a device by that name, things would be seriously broken. |
| 05:36.51 | cheako | 3:23:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty3 |
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| 05:37.01 | cheako | Then which pkg is broken? |
| 05:37.10 | chealer | mwilson: I have one |
| 05:37.11 | mwilson | cheako: None are. |
| 05:37.32 | cheako | mwilson: then why is there no getty on the third VC? |
| 05:38.36 | cheako | IMO, one of init or udev seams to be broke. |
| 05:39.33 | mwilson | cheako: Couldn't tell you. |
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| 05:42.10 | caphuso | abrotman: the kiddies are busy searching eggs |
| 05:42.15 | abrotman | caphuso: heh |
| 05:42.33 | abrotman | caphuso: or they are all in california :) |
| 05:42.40 | mwilson | Oh, yeah... it is that weekend, isn't it? |
| 05:42.48 | abrotman | mwilson: clocks change soon! |
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| 05:43.58 | mwilson | Yeah, I suppose. |
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| 05:44.06 | abrotman | well .. change soon here |
| 05:44.46 | caliber | How can I make tcpdump ignore the SSH data that is continously being displayed because I'm telnetting to my machine? Like my screen is constantly spammed with the ssh data making it impossible to see anything else.. How can i make it ignore port 22 or whatever |
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| 05:45.00 | abrotman | man tcpdump ? |
| 05:45.10 | caliber | i read it |
| 05:45.14 | Todd_ | how do i see if exim is running or not |
| 05:45.20 | abrotman | ps aux ? |
| 05:45.28 | mwilson | caliber: Well, then... you know the answer. |
| 05:45.49 | caliber | so the answer is it cant be done? |
| 05:46.01 | abrotman | it's in the man page iirc |
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| 05:46.04 | abrotman | and it is possible |
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| 05:46.49 | abrotman | Todd_: or attempt to restart it |
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| 05:47.44 | Todd_ | Restarting MTA: No /usr/sbin/exim4 found running; none killed. but it doesn't output a log |
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| 05:48.06 | abrotman | Todd_: are you even using exim ? |
| 05:48.14 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 05:48.19 | dan2 | abrotman: hey |
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| 05:48.25 | Todd_ | yes, i know i am |
| 05:48.27 | quokka | caliber: tcpdump -i interface not port ssh |
| 05:48.34 | abrotman | Todd_: ps aux doesn't show anything looking like exim ? |
| 05:48.36 | abrotman | dan2: hey |
| 05:48.52 | caliber | quokka: thank you so much |
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| 05:49.08 | DebUser | Do the the 2.6.x series of kernels come with support for XFS compiled into them? |
| 05:49.12 | cheako | A file provided by sysvinit(/usr/share/sysvinit/inittab) tells getty to use /dev/tty3. On my system I update udev so these files are there. |
| 05:49.15 | quokka | caliber: You're welcome :-) |
| 05:49.16 | Todd_ | no |
| 05:49.27 | abrotman | Todd_: running it from inetd? |
| 05:49.33 | mwilson | caliber: So, why didn't you just admit you weren't willing to read the man page? |
| 05:49.38 | cheako | This file is copied to /etc/inittad on install. |
| 05:49.49 | caliber | I did read it |
| 05:49.53 | Todd_ | init.d? |
| 05:49.54 | abrotman | apparently not |
| 05:49.56 | mwilson | caliber: Sure you did. |
| 05:49.59 | abrotman | Todd_: inetd |
| 05:50.07 | mwilson | <wink> <wink> |
| 05:50.08 | Todd_ | i don't know |
| 05:50.12 | caliber | the syntax isn't correct anyway |
| 05:50.23 | Todd_ | i installed it and it was working fine until I messed up the logs |
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| 05:50.40 | dan2 | abrotman: cleaned out the office today: 10 hrs, 2 people |
| 05:50.46 | Todd_ | then it instantly stopped working and i can't get it to start now |
| 05:50.57 | abrotman | Todd_: mkdir /var/log/exim4 |
| 05:51.02 | Todd_ | already did it |
| 05:51.06 | abrotman | dan2: too much crap |
| 05:51.10 | abrotman | Todd_: restart computer ? |
| 05:51.16 | Todd_ | hang on |
| 05:51.50 | mwilson | How much you want to bet, he typed "-i interface", literally? |
| 05:51.53 | cheako | I woulden't ever ask for sysvinit to use /dev/vc/3, but it is a working solution. I'd like to see a solution to this since it has been bugging me for some time now. |
| 05:52.31 | mwilson | Gods, xchat sucks. |
| 05:53.13 | dan2 | mwilson: no shit really? ;) |
| 05:53.15 | abrotman | mwilson: it's not bitchx ? |
| 05:53.25 | abrotman | xchat isn't that bad |
| 05:53.53 | mwilson | xhchat sucks major rocks |
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| 05:54.07 | abrotman | it's a decent gui client |
| 05:54.22 | abrotman | mwilson: are you using the win32 version? |
| 05:54.24 | mwilson | Since when? |
| 05:54.32 | mwilson | No, the OS X version. |
| 05:54.35 | Todd_ | abrotman: nothings changed |
| 05:54.39 | abrotman | oh gods .. never used the osx one |
| 05:54.43 | abrotman | the win32 and linux ones are ok |
| 05:54.51 | abrotman | Todd_: exim still not working ? |
| 05:54.56 | Todd_ | nope |
| 05:55.00 | mwilson | No, the win32 and linux ones suck. |
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| 05:55.08 | Todd_ | just wont start and no log |
| 05:55.15 | abrotman | Todd_: check the config file ... see where it thinks it shuld be logging |
| 05:55.19 | abrotman | mwilson: and what makes it so bad? |
| 05:55.47 | mwilson | It's just... wrong. It has an evil feel. |
| 05:55.50 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 05:55.54 | abrotman | nothing technically wrong |
| 05:55.56 | abrotman | just evil feel :) |
| 05:56.00 | abrotman | like kde :) |
| 05:56.11 | bucky | there's no preferences in xchat |
| 05:56.15 | abrotman | yes there is |
| 05:56.18 | abrotman | just not enough |
| 05:56.29 | abrotman | some seem to be hidden also |
| 05:56.39 | Todd_ | geeze exim has alot of config files |
| 05:56.44 | abrotman | yep |
| 05:56.46 | cheako | mwilson: I can understand that. |
| 05:56.50 | mwilson | Yeah, it's a Gnome application, after all. |
| 05:57.02 | abrotman | gnome or gtk ? |
| 05:57.28 | abrotman | looks to be just gtk |
| 05:57.43 | mwilson | Install xchat-gnome. |
| 05:57.52 | abrotman | well . i didn't |
| 05:57.55 | mwilson | Or whatever the package is named. |
| 05:57.56 | abrotman | it's just gtk :) |
| 05:58.02 | mwilson | It's just crap. |
| 05:58.09 | abrotman | then don't use it |
| 05:58.14 | mwilson | GTK apps in general were born to be slow. |
| 05:58.20 | abrotman | use the irc program that comes with osx |
| 05:58.30 | mwilson | Surely you jest. |
| 05:58.36 | abrotman | right .. i forgot .. osx is crap |
| 05:58.37 | mwilson | *iChat*? |
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| 05:58.52 | mwilson | OS X is fine, but have you ever *used* iChat? |
| 05:58.56 | bucky | slow compared to those open source osx proggies |
| 05:59.03 | abrotman | i don't even like osx .. feels evil |
| 05:59.06 | abrotman | like kde |
| 05:59.11 | abrotman | too much going on |
| 05:59.21 | Todd_ | wheres the exim4 config file? |
| 05:59.22 | bucky | steve jobs is evil |
| 05:59.28 | abrotman | it's the shirts |
| 05:59.32 | cheako | mwilson: Copy/Past? I need to know how to kill the alt-C and alt-V crap. |
| 05:59.41 | claw | um, :) i've finally got my sound card working but there seems to be a hitch... only root can hear any sound.... now, I know your thinking I havent added my other users to the audio group but I have... and I've logged out and then back in.... but still no sound.. :/ Maybe its another group i need to add my users to? |
| 05:59.45 | cheako | orr sorry open/apple. |
| 05:59.49 | mwilson | Uh, an OS X desktop is rather stark, by default. It may or not be evil, but "too much going on" can hardly be applied to it. |
| 05:59.56 | abrotman | claw: adduser username audio |
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| 06:00.01 | abrotman | oh damn it |
| 06:00.07 | claw | :) |
| 06:00.11 | abrotman | i jumped |
| 06:00.11 | xoz | claw: logout and login again? |
| 06:00.15 | mwilson | claw: And maybe you need to actually add yourself to the audio group. |
| 06:00.21 | abrotman | xoz: read the whole thing :) |
| 06:00.29 | xoz | heh |
| 06:00.31 | claw | everyone read the whole thing :) |
| 06:00.32 | cheako | claw: newgrp audio |
| 06:00.33 | abrotman | mwilson: too |
| 06:00.45 | abrotman | cheako: no .. it should already exist |
| 06:00.51 | abrotman | god damn .. i need to sleep |
| 06:00.59 | Todd_ | abrotman: im just trying to get something working to send mail through php, is there an easier way? |
| 06:01.04 | cheako | abrotman: yes you do :) |
| 06:01.12 | abrotman | cheako: it's 1am here |
| 06:01.23 | abrotman | Todd_: i prefer postfix .. up to you |
| 06:01.28 | cheako | lam? |
| 06:01.31 | cheako | lame. |
| 06:01.37 | abrotman | cheako: i was up at 7am :) |
| 06:01.38 | cheako | I don't think so. |
| 06:01.39 | dan2 | Todd_: I prefer exim |
| 06:01.44 | dan2 | abrotman: heh. |
| 06:01.45 | abrotman | and didn't go to sleep until 2am last night |
| 06:01.51 | kibotito | exim? |
| 06:01.54 | dan2 | oh yeah |
| 06:01.58 | dan2 | default mailer of debian |
| 06:01.59 | xoz | claw: check if root:audio owns /dev/snd.. mixer... |
| 06:01.59 | dan2 | exim |
| 06:02.02 | dan2 | exim++ |
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| 06:02.17 | claw | ok, 1 sec |
| 06:02.36 | chealer | !mp3 |
| 06:02.36 | dpkg | from memory, mp3 is MPEG 1 layer 3 audio compression, which allows for music to be traded, legally or not, over the internet., or an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience, or patented in US and Germany (ask about ogg vorbis) |
| 06:02.36 | cheako | newgrp - log in to a new group |
| 06:02.37 | cheako | sg - execute command as different group ID |
| 06:02.41 | keropok | i got this error.. can somebody help me? > kernel: ReiserFS: hda6: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item |
| 06:02.53 | chealer | so mp3 is "an effective means of nonviolent civil disobedience" :? |
| 06:02.58 | mwilson | keropok: Sure. Don't use Reiser. |
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| 06:04.00 | keropok | argh. all my box used reiser |
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| 06:04.20 | cheako | dpkg: Don't forget that now uncompressed audio can be traded over the internet. |
| 06:04.20 | keropok | then? mv to ext3 is better? |
| 06:04.32 | claw | root owns mixer... i dont have snd |
| 06:04.40 | keropok | vfat is kewl :P |
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| 06:05.24 | Todd_ | abrotman: sendmail_path = /usr/sbin/postfix -t -i? |
| 06:06.03 | cheako | claw: /etc/udev/permissions.d/udev.permissions. I know it blowes, but it's the only *working* devfs avalible at this time. |
| 06:06.15 | Todd_ | ah that didn't work |
| 06:06.19 | Todd_ | geeze |
| 06:07.39 | xoz | claw: check if the group is owned by snd. |
| 06:07.55 | xoz | claw: it may be hidden in subdir of /dev |
| 06:08.43 | claw | i found snd and mixer, they are both owned by root and part of the audio group |
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| 06:09.35 | Todd_ | AH HA, apparently you can't use 'postfix' you have to use sendmail |
| 06:10.11 | mwilson | Why would anyone voluntarily use devfs? |
| 06:10.28 | redduck666 | i'm trying to compile new kernel http://www.pastebin.com/263222 i assume i have to install gtk+-2.0, glib-2.0 and libglade-2.0, however apt-get doesn't seem to find them. any help appriciated |
| 06:10.55 | keropok | !gpm |
| 06:10.55 | dpkg | well, gpm is if you can get your mouse to work in GPM but not X, set repeat_type=ms3 in /etc/gpm.conf ; /etc/init.d/gpm restart; set X to use device /dev/gpmdata and protocol Intellimouse; or (see http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-install.en.html#s-gpm also), or talk to peterS for he is the master |
| 06:11.01 | mwilson | redduck666: Yes, if you make package names up at random, it indeed will not find them. |
| 06:11.03 | claw | dang, well u know what its fine... i can live without sound for a while... once i get more used to linux ill figure it out, thnx for your help |
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| 06:11.49 | mwilson | redduck666: Not that any of those are in any way necessary for building a kernel, of course. |
| 06:12.30 | redduck666 | mwilson, why does it than say that those packages are missing |
| 06:12.44 | mwilson | redduck666: I have no idea. |
| 06:13.06 | redduck666 | mwilson, so what do i need to do to build my kernel |
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| 06:13.51 | mwilson | redduck666: Read the documentation. There's plenty available. |
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| 06:15.43 | redduck666 | yerstarday evening (~10 hours ago) i was here and asked if i need two packages (digital hemit said i need them) someone said that i don't need those. in other words i'm using digital hemit guide but it doesn't seem to help me |
| 06:16.00 | Todd_ | i put /usr/sbin/sendmail -t -i in my php.ini and php says it sent ok but its not sending the email. postfix isn't showing anything in mail.log so i don't know what to do |
| 06:16.11 | mwilson | Whatever a "digital hemit guide" is supposed to be. |
| 06:16.17 | Todd_ | any suggestions? |
| 06:16.53 | ThinkTiM | hey all - i'm doing a apt-get upgrade and am getting " unable to make backup link of `./usr/bin/md5sum' before installing new version: Operation not permitted" when it is working on dpkg - any ideas? |
| 06:17.08 | rob^ | a robotic hermit crab? |
| 06:17.14 | rob^ | cool |
| 06:17.18 | rob^ | where can I get one? |
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| 06:17.41 | sussudio | down your pants. |
| 06:18.36 | mwilson | Any ideas about what? |
| 06:18.47 | sussudio | !any ideas |
| 06:18.47 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a drawer full of herring, a little WD-40, and 5 or 6 sex-crazed ostriches. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 06:20.29 | rob^ | man, this nvu 0.9 package sucks |
| 06:20.34 | ThinkTiM | ahh - i thought this was the place for help - enjoy all |
| 06:20.42 | rob^ | ? |
| 06:22.17 | xoz | ThinkTiM: reinstall md5sum |
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| 06:23.06 | wishie | i cant write to any of my samba shares when logged into this computer as a user. i can write to them however, if i am root..how can i fix this ? |
| 06:23.06 | ThinkTiM | xoz - thx - i'll give it a try |
| 06:23.09 | xoz | ThinkTiM: or try dpkg --force option |
| 06:23.57 | xoz | ThinkTiM: goto /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. and use dpkg to force install md5sum |
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| 06:25.09 | drummer87 | can someone help me, i don't have sdb in my /dev and don't know where else to mount my usb drive to |
| 06:25.13 | ThinkTiM | xoz...thanks...working |
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| 06:27.31 | CerealVore | has anyone had any experience installing debian with an advansys 3550 based scsi controller? |
| 06:27.38 | SAO | Hi all, may someone help me? I got two problems on my NEW Debian Sarge System :-( |
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| 06:28.02 | emergo | how can I delete an dvd-rw plate ? |
| 06:28.24 | drummer87 | ?? |
| 06:28.44 | emergo | drummer87: dvd rewritable |
| 06:28.49 | SAO | first it seems like i got no correct charset gor germany, i cant type special chars like * ) ( and y and z are on the wrong keys |
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| 06:30.32 | SAO | hello? Someone help me pls |
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| 06:31.24 | sh0rt | SAO: maybe try dpkg-recongigure xserver-xfree86 and choose different keyboard |
| 06:31.38 | sh0rt | reconfigure |
| 06:31.53 | xoz | SAO: check loadkeys |
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| 06:32.37 | SAO | loadkeys ? |
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| 06:32.45 | SAO | iam from core, then a while under gentoo |
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| 06:32.55 | SAO | debian is new to me :/ |
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| 06:34.30 | Over-top | I keep getting my SSH session (across wifi) dropped with "Corruped MAC on input" |
| 06:34.40 | Over-top | suggestions? |
| 06:35.03 | Over-top | it's a within-network conncection (same subnet, behind NAT) |
| 06:35.38 | Over-top | maybe i'll cycle power to the AP |
| 06:35.39 | Over-top | brb |
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| 06:36.41 | Overand | (back) |
| 06:37.03 | SAO | so i took a look in my XF86Config, its seems like its correct, i use DE as my layout but keys are wrong under gnome :-( |
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| 06:38.02 | chealer | SAO: is it ok on CLI? |
| 06:38.21 | sh0rt | SAO: isnt therea keyboard changing thing in gnom control centre? |
| 06:38.35 | xoz | SAO: gtk has config for keyboard layout in its control panel. check it |
| 06:38.39 | SAO | CLI how to check and whats it ? Man you Debian guys always got another tool arent ya ? (nice) |
| 06:39.06 | xoz | !CLI |
| 06:39.06 | dpkg | methinks cli is a Command Line Interface, the best form of interface around, of course Call-Level Interface, originally developed by SQL Access Group, but now known as Microsoft's ODBC standard. an x86 assembly instruction Common Language Infrastructure (See mono or .net), or http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6282&page=1 |
| 06:39.12 | chealer | SAO: hehe, don't worry, CLI is just command line |
| 06:39.30 | SAO | wtf |
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| 06:39.56 | SAO | why gnome chooses U.S.English as default configuration damn it and XF Config shows DE |
| 06:39.57 | SAO | suxx |
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| 06:40.21 | xoz | SAO: it doesnt choose. you configure it. |
| 06:40.40 | Overand | SAO: you running knoppix "debian" by any chance? |
| 06:40.54 | SAO | but i thought every Windowman. shall configure on basic XF config file arent they ? |
| 06:40.57 | chealer | SAO: I abandoned my switch from KDE to gnome because it wouldn't work with a french layout using an english keyboard :) |
| 06:41.46 | SAO | Yes! Guys thanks! |
| 06:42.05 | SAO | Now keys are right, what a foolish question i made ;-( damn |
| 06:43.35 | SAO | but now another one, i need my NVidia Card to work on this notebook, at all i want a own kernel but debian doesnt create a initrd file while i create own kernel from actual sources i loaded from kernel.org is there a tool like genkernel, i need prism54 for my notebook wlan plus NVidia driver in it |
| 06:44.35 | SAO | i think standard kernel is good and has prism in it but i cant handle NV cause there are no sources plus i need an later kernel |
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| 06:45.12 | chealer | SAO: how later does your kernel need to be? |
| 06:45.28 | SAO | 2.6.11-6 or what the latest ? |
| 06:45.29 | sh0rt | make-kpkg -initrd kernel_image? |
| 06:45.45 | chealer | SAO: it's the latest...but do you need that new? |
| 06:45.53 | Overand | it seems to mostly be doing the 'corrupted mac on inpuit' when i do port forwarding |
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| 06:46.14 | gcc4fun | huhu |
| 06:46.17 | SAO | not really but i think if there were any probs its most chance he dont got em any more ;-) |
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| 06:47.15 | valdyn_ | SAO: and if there are new probs ( which there are ), then they are the worst documented |
| 06:47.18 | gcc4fun | with debian ... are there binary packages for the lastest testing or current (whatever it is called)? |
| 06:47.22 | Overand | er, ssh tunneling, heh |
| 06:47.56 | chealer | SAO: I'm not sure I understood you. did you say you absolutely want a custom kernel? |
| 06:48.03 | xoz | gcc4fun: debian is using binary packages. check debian.org |
| 06:48.05 | SAO | ok then lets use the "standard" kernel debian gave me 2.6.2-386 grrrr... i got P4 want SMP etc. |
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| 06:48.12 | SAO | yes i need a custom kernel |
| 06:48.40 | gcc4fun | xoz: so apg-get src is just additional ? |
| 06:48.47 | murdochj | heya, anyone had much luck on installing Debian or a variant of Debian on a machine with an nForce2 Chipset? |
| 06:48.48 | chealer | SAO: because of prism54? |
| 06:49.00 | chealer | murdochj: yes |
| 06:49.03 | SAO | and nvidia cause i dont want modules i dont need |
| 06:49.22 | xoz | !faq gcc4fun |
| 06:49.23 | dpkg | gcc4fun: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 06:49.35 | SAO | but debian didnt install the sources from the kernel |
| 06:49.40 | wgandhi | how do I make an iso image of .wav file to later burn on a cd? |
| 06:49.41 | SAO | how to install ? |
| 06:49.56 | chealer | SAO: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.foo |
| 06:50.04 | SAO | foo ? |
| 06:50.06 | murdochj | chealer: was there much work involved in installing? was the end result still quite fast and used the hardware quite well? did you get the onboard ethernet/sound/etc installed? |
| 06:50.15 | chealer | SAO: 2.6.2 isn't in sarge |
| 06:50.20 | SAO | yes |
| 06:50.29 | gcc4fun | xoz: don't worry ... i'll read that and learn it by heart if i'm about to use debian (currently just switched from gentoo to freebsd and i'm not quite ... hmmm ... satisfied) |
| 06:50.49 | chealer | murdochj: no, yes, yes |
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| 06:51.09 | chealer | SAO: the 2.6 kernel in sarge is 2.6.8 |
| 06:51.17 | murdochj | excellent, thanks for the helping hand chealer, off to do a bit of work on the main machine :) |
| 06:51.43 | xoz | gcc4fun: if you are frustrated about source compilation, debian got the option. |
| 06:51.58 | SAO | right, but he doesnt find sources like apt says i even tried apt-get intall kernel-sources-2.6.8 and 2.6.8-2 |
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| 06:52.26 | sh0rt | try apt-cache search kernel-source |
| 06:52.29 | xoz | SAO: apt-cache search kernel-image |
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| 06:53.32 | SAO | he shows many images |
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| 06:53.40 | SAO | but no sources |
| 06:54.06 | wishie | if i try to write to my samba shares, as a user on this system, i get "permission denied" if i am root however, i can write.. how can i make it so users can write to the shares ? |
| 06:54.30 | spdf | SAO, kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 06:54.31 | sh0rt | SAO: replace -image with -source |
| 06:54.50 | xoz | SAO: include debian sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 06:54.54 | SAO | i already installed the 2.6.8-10-686-smp but it brook when i used it in grub it always hangs and panics it says cant access VFile system nor grub root 0,0 or hda1 access |
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| 06:55.40 | xoz | SAO: when you compile,compile with your ide and fs in-kernel. not as module. |
| 06:55.40 | SAO | it only got 2.6.8 sources |
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| 06:56.30 | SAO | i made that one actually it was my first failure as i began with linux to make ext3 module (lol myself) |
| 06:56.33 | sh0rt | SAO: what commands to make your kernel |
| 06:57.14 | SAO | like said in readme.txt of the sources from kernel.org |
| 06:57.36 | sh0rt | SAO: try making it the debian way with kpkg |
| 06:57.42 | SAO | somkind of make 0=/home/sven/temp menuconfig |
| 06:57.49 | SAO | somkind of make 0=/home/sven/temp |
| 06:58.02 | SAO | somkind of make 0=/home/sven/temp modules_install install (as root) |
| 06:58.06 | SAO | thats it |
| 06:58.22 | wishie | make-kpkg is a nicer way to do it |
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| 06:58.55 | SAO | i thought but not like in fedora core it doesnt make grub now it, it only creates the files but no initrd (isnt that important) ? |
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| 06:59.38 | spdf | SAO, http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
| 07:00.14 | SAO | thx, nice link ;-) |
| 07:00.32 | spdf | SAO, its pretty helpful |
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| 07:01.40 | spdf | SAO, kpkg is a much nicer way to make kernels. Creates .deb packages for easy installation/removal.. |
| 07:01.47 | wishie | if i try to write to my samba shares, as a user on this system, i get "permission denied" if i am root however, i can write.. how can i make it so users can write to the shares ? |
| 07:02.12 | fibept | when you mount it, you have the option of specifying permissions |
| 07:02.25 | SAO | if i read that, iam going to be more confused than iam now, lol sry but its depcrated isnt it (for 2.4) i use 2.6. kernel |
| 07:02.45 | spdf | SAO, I use it for 2.6 kernels.. |
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| 07:03.06 | wishie | fibept: what do you mean ? i have the server set to allow any user to write to those dirs..so i have to tell my client machine which permissions i want to mount it with ? |
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| 07:03.20 | SAO | isnt someone here who uses the sources from kernel.org ? |
| 07:03.25 | SAO | this cant be !?!? |
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| 07:03.30 | wishie | SAO: i use them |
| 07:03.32 | Todd_ | im trying to make a cron job for /etc/spamassassin/rules_du_jour, should i make it in a user cronjob or in the root? |
| 07:03.32 | fibept | SAO: i use them |
| 07:03.43 | SAO | so whats my failure ? |
| 07:03.57 | wishie | tell me again |
| 07:03.59 | SAO | i looked that my IDE Controller is compiled in |
| 07:04.02 | wishie | i wasnt looking. |
| 07:04.14 | SAO | my kernel panics |
| 07:04.20 | fibept | either you have the IDE driver compiled in as static, or you have it as a module and use the initrd |
| 07:04.27 | fibept | is this with 2.6.11.5 ? |
| 07:04.30 | SAO | cant find the grub 0,0 or the hda1 (root) |
| 07:04.44 | SAO | but ext3 is not a module ;-( |
| 07:04.46 | wishie | SAO: what filesystem is on /dev/hda1 ? |
| 07:04.52 | fibept | you can think of grub as its own little OS |
| 07:04.52 | SAO | ext3 |
| 07:05.08 | fibept | it does not use the kernel |
| 07:05.24 | wishie | so, ext3 support is compiled into the kernel ? |
| 07:05.28 | SAO | i now another form like hda, hdb etc. 0,0 = hda1 0,1 = hda2 i had gentoo so i know abot that |
| 07:05.44 | fibept | wishie: yes |
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| 07:05.47 | SAO | damn my words are bad lol |
| 07:06.07 | wishie | wishie: how do i specify them ? |
| 07:06.14 | SAO | so what could it be next ? Is the initrd important ( it doesnt create one) |
| 07:06.26 | oguz | hi i had tried to see turkish characters at my console but i couldnt fix it |
| 07:06.33 | wishie | SAO: i dont use an initrd |
| 07:06.34 | fibept | grub isn't finding the kernel, its not a kernel problem |
| 07:06.47 | valdyn_ | SAO: no you dont need an initrd, that thing is for kernels that are supposed to run on multiple hardware setups |
| 07:06.51 | wishie | well, i do, for my bootsplash, but thats it. |
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| 07:07.13 | wishie | valdyn_: also for people who need to load kernel modules early. |
| 07:07.15 | SAO | but the file exists (2.6.11-6 or what i created) |
| 07:07.37 | wishie | what is your grub 'kernel' line ? |
| 07:07.43 | wishie | can you paste it to me ? |
| 07:07.45 | SAO | i copied the grub entry from debian standard kernel so 0,0 and hda1 has to be right |
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| 07:08.01 | SAO | ok i copy it w8 pls |
| 07:08.14 | oguz | here are the things that i do in order: dpkg-reconfigure console-data and choosed turkish q layout |
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| 07:08.25 | oguz | then install-keymap trq |
| 07:08.28 | valdyn_ | wishie: why would someone need to do that? on a custom kernel. |
| 07:08.45 | oguz | and then apt-get install fonty and chosed iso9 |
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| 07:09.15 | wishie | valdyn_: if you want to load a root fs from something other than a hard disk perhaps ? |
| 07:09.17 | SAO | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-6 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 07:09.17 | Todd_ | im trying to install a script am getting an error /etc/spamassassin/rules_du_jour: line 1: --01:59:13--: command not found, does anyone know what this could be |
| 07:09.22 | oguz | i aslo changed the /etc/inputrc file in this way: set input-meta on |
| 07:09.22 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.22 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:09.22 | oguz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:09.28 | fibept | wishie: in your fstab specify gid=x and add users to group x so they can write |
| 07:09.32 | wishie | valdyn_: loading a rootfs that is on a network ? |
| 07:09.45 | Todd_ | oh nvm |
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| 07:10.00 | wishie | fibept: on the client machine, or the server machine ? client i take it |
| 07:10.05 | wishie | so what group do i use ? |
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| 07:10.38 | oguz | now i have to use turkish character at my vim and my console, how can i fix it? |
| 07:10.42 | fibept | just make one up and add users to the group they you want to be able to write to it |
| 07:11.01 | wishie | well, i just added a group with groupadd samba |
| 07:11.05 | valdyn_ | wishie: thats the multiple hardware case ). I agree however it can be useful to have that option |
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| 07:11.22 | wishie | so now i just add users to it, and then mount the share with gid=<samba-groups-gid> |
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| 07:11.40 | wishie | valdyn_: for example, i use initrd for splash screens |
| 07:11.47 | SAO | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-6 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 07:11.53 | wishie | since the filesystem isnt available that early in the boot sequence. |
| 07:11.56 | fibept | wishie: yes |
| 07:11.57 | SAO | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-6 root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 07:12.10 | SAO | ooops sry |
| 07:12.12 | fibept | that isn't in your grub is it? |
| 07:12.18 | wishie | does the file /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11-6 exist ? |
| 07:12.21 | soften | Installing sarge, on reboot, "GRUB Loading stage1.5. / GRUB Loading, please wait... / Error 17" is bad, right? |
| 07:12.53 | wishie | SAO: do you have a 'root (hd0,0)' line above that ? |
| 07:13.04 | SAO | it existED while i tried to use it, now no more cause i wanted to go search help ;-) then make a new but it started so grub had to find file ;-) |
| 07:13.23 | soften | is there some way around this error to fix the problem? I don't have any other way to boot this laptop |
| 07:13.30 | SAO | title Debian GNU/Linux, Kernel bla bla bla |
| 07:13.36 | fibept | SAO: if your boot is on the same partition as /, then its right assuming that you have a root above it |
| 07:13.39 | SAO | root (hd0,0) |
| 07:13.47 | wishie | SAO: no 'root' line ? |
| 07:13.48 | valdyn_ | SAO: why is this -6? its supposed to be .6 afaik |
| 07:13.52 | wishie | SAO: can i message you ? |
| 07:14.01 | SAO | sure |
| 07:14.35 | sh0rt | SAO: just install all the tools that the howto says, then use this command, make-kpkg -initrd kernel_image, and it will make an initrd for you and should work |
| 07:14.51 | sh0rt | SAO: also initrd-tools |
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| 07:15.33 | cahoot | sh0rt: hardly any help if he misspelled the kernel name |
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| 07:16.02 | sh0rt | cahoot: heh |
| 07:18.55 | metaperl | I am running debian testing but it has webmin 1.180. I want webmin 1.190. how can I check to see if 1.190 is available in unstable and how might I install it? |
| 07:19.20 | valdyn_ | !info webmin sarge |
| 07:19.25 | dpkg | webmin: (web-based administration toolkit), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.180-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 1071 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB |
| 07:19.39 | valdyn_ | !info webmin sid |
| 07:19.44 | dpkg | webmin: (web-based administration toolkit), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.180-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1071 kB, Installed size: 5908 kB |
| 07:19.49 | metaperl | uh oh |
| 07:19.53 | metaperl | no 1.190 anywhere |
| 07:20.07 | valdyn_ | metaperl: stick to 1.180 |
| 07:20.16 | metaperl | but it doesnt have an apache module |
| 07:20.23 | metaperl | at least the one at webmin.com requires 1.190 |
| 07:20.28 | valdyn_ | !info webmin-apache |
| 07:20.34 | dpkg | webmin-apache: (apache control module for webmin), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.180-1 (sid), Packaged size: 297 kB, Installed size: 1636 kB |
| 07:20.42 | metaperl | i just got a linux-vserver host at rosehosting.com and want to administrate via webmin |
| 07:20.48 | metaperl | oh |
| 07:20.51 | valdyn_ | metaperl: why not use the debian webmin-apache package? |
| 07:21.02 | spoof | may be in experimental ? :) |
| 07:21.03 | metaperl | i'm an amateur - do you recommend apt or dselect |
| 07:21.06 | oguz | what is this used for: . /etc/inputrc |
| 07:21.27 | oguz | it says it will make the inputrc read again |
| 07:21.37 | cahoot | isn't aptitude the recommended for sarge? |
| 07:21.39 | metaperl | using dselect, I typed /webmin but the auxilliary packages werent near it... perhaps I sould've sorted by something to put webmin-apache near webmin |
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| 07:21.42 | valdyn_ | metaperl: dselect is very powerful, but it is also somewhat tricky to use at first, so i dont recommend it |
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| 07:21.49 | metaperl | ok, so use apt? |
| 07:21.57 | oguz | but bash: mode=emacs: command not found |
| 07:22.26 | valdyn_ | metaperl: yes |
| 07:22.37 | valdyn_ | metaperl: apt-cache search webmin- btw |
| 07:23.05 | metaperl | ok thanks |
| 07:23.24 | Todd_ | how would i "add the clamav user to the Debian-exim group " |
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| 07:23.48 | spoof | adduser clamav exim ? |
| 07:23.57 | Todd_ | cool, thanks |
| 07:24.18 | Todd_ | hmm, thats not a group |
| 07:24.46 | spoof | adduser clamav Debian-exim |
| 07:24.57 | paster | "metaperl" at 4.30.47.177 pasted "apt-cache search output does not show webmin-apache... where to get for debian sarge" (16 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/373 |
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| 07:25.07 | adexta | so, guys |
| 07:25.15 | Todd_ | thanks spoof |
| 07:25.17 | adexta | i burned the net install |
| 07:25.29 | adexta | and booted up from cd |
| 07:25.38 | adexta | it gave me an error about dhcp stuff |
| 07:25.45 | adexta | and then jumped to grub2 |
| 07:26.18 | adexta | is there anything i should do? |
| 07:26.41 | metaperl | oh webmin-apache is in sid... how can I tell Debian to get webmin-apache from sid? |
| 07:26.47 | valdyn_ | metaperl: its in sarge too |
| 07:26.55 | metaperl | did you see my paste? |
| 07:27.05 | metaperl | it wasnt in the list at my webhost |
| 07:27.31 | valdyn_ | metaperl: sure i see this list, doesnt look like a complete list at all, theres at least twice as many webmin modules in sarge |
| 07:27.42 | adexta | can nobody help me? |
| 07:27.53 | metaperl | dpkg update? |
| 07:27.53 | dpkg | well, update is dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 07:28.09 | valdyn_ | metaperl: apt-get update |
| 07:28.25 | valdyn_ | metaperl: i doubt you are running sarge |
| 07:28.34 | adexta | should i download the full ISOs instead of the net install? |
| 07:28.37 | metaperl | cooph:/tmp# uname -a |
| 07:28.38 | metaperl | Linux cooph.net 2.6.11-rc2-RH194rc3 #6 SMP Thu Jan 27 07:50:53 CST 2005 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:29.08 | metaperl | is that sarge? I requested sarge |
| 07:29.15 | adexta | because i got an error when it was looking for DHCP something |
| 07:29.22 | valdyn_ | metaperl: it doenst say anything about your debian release |
| 07:29.37 | valdyn_ | metaperl: funny thing this kernel looks like a redhat kernel probably |
| 07:29.48 | metaperl | yes, I see the RH there |
| 07:29.53 | adexta | i didn't get to read the screen before it went to grub |
| 07:29.54 | cahoot | valdyn_: I get the same result re webmin on my sarge |
| 07:30.01 | luulis | adexta: iirc theres channel for debian-installer related stuff, #debian-boot but it seems it empty now.. |
| 07:30.06 | inu | metaperl, cat /etc/debian_version if it is in fact debian (though looking at the kernel..) |
| 07:30.14 | valdyn_ | !info webmin-apache sarge |
| 07:30.17 | adexta | well, that doesn't help me then |
| 07:30.36 | metaperl | cooph:/etc# cat debian_version |
| 07:30.36 | metaperl | 3.1 |
| 07:30.50 | valdyn_ | cahoot: yea you are right, i just mislooked / typed above |
| 07:30.55 | adexta | should i get the full ISO's? |
| 07:31.01 | valdyn_ | metaperl: you are right, this module isnt in sarge. |
| 07:31.12 | metaperl | oh, how do I specify sid? |
| 07:31.28 | valdyn_ | !tell metaperl about simple sid backport |
| 07:32.10 | sh0rt | adexta: if you have cable it cant hurt to try |
| 07:32.28 | adexta | dsl, but yeah |
| 07:32.33 | sh0rt | adexta: just the first one will do |
| 07:32.33 | poonj | hey guys |
| 07:32.39 | adexta | i wanted to do the net install |
| 07:32.41 | poonj | what kind of video card do most of you guys use? |
| 07:32.44 | adexta | so i have that burned |
| 07:32.51 | poonj | nvidia based? ATI? Matrox? |
| 07:32.53 | adexta | poonj: the one that came with my computer |
| 07:33.10 | poonj | adexta: trident? Intel? |
| 07:33.27 | adexta | i have a dell pentium II 400 MHz |
| 07:33.41 | adexta | 384 MB SDRAM, 20 GB HD |
| 07:33.47 | poonj | adexta...router box? |
| 07:33.59 | adexta | no, desktop |
| 07:34.10 | poonj | work better than a top notch windows box? |
| 07:34.17 | adexta | heh |
| 07:34.18 | adexta | yeah |
| 07:34.31 | poonj | linux @ work |
| 07:34.35 | adexta | i'm currently seeking help through my server |
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| 07:34.41 | adexta | a 233 MHz gateway |
| 07:34.45 | adexta | running redhat |
| 07:34.50 | poonj | making use of old computers?! |
| 07:34.58 | adexta | i'm cheap |
| 07:35.12 | poonj | you can get a decent computer for a few hundred dollars |
| 07:35.20 | adexta | i've been puttingoff purchase of one until college |
| 07:35.35 | adexta | but i won a scholarship to go to germany for a year |
| 07:35.38 | valdyn_ | adexta: just the company names of gfx cards/chips manufacturers arent really useful. |
| 07:35.39 | poonj | cool! |
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| 07:35.46 | adexta | i'm looking at a laptop now |
| 07:35.58 | metaperl | actually adding an unstable line to sources.list will make my whole system unstable: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/10/msg02368.html |
| 07:36.00 | adexta | okay |
| 07:36.08 | poonj | I ask because I'm wondering which gfx cards have the best linux support |
| 07:36.08 | adexta | i am running crap |
| 07:36.11 | valdyn_ | adexta: as the support linux varies greatly depending on which card exactly it is |
| 07:36.12 | cat | hey how can i forward a domain to my box so when people do ssh domain to my box |
| 07:36.14 | poonj | but it looks like nvidia does |
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| 07:36.46 | adexta | do i not need anything other than the first sarge iso to start the install? |
| 07:36.55 | valdyn_ | poonj: if you need an decent opengl card and also a recent card, then yes |
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| 07:37.08 | sh0rt | adexta: no |
| 07:37.09 | poonj | valdyn_: what about ATI? |
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| 07:37.20 | adexta | the net install isn't working |
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| 07:37.36 | mc_ | hi all |
| 07:37.36 | adexta | would i have the same problems with the full ISO? |
| 07:37.45 | Todd_ | how do you remove exim without removing mysql-server? |
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| 07:38.19 | sh0rt | adexta: you will be able to install the whole base system and then work out why internet isnt working |
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| 07:38.57 | valdyn_ | poonj: old cards have a decent free driver, newer cards need atis binary driver for opengl, which has plenty issues with opengl apps / cedega and such |
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| 07:39.14 | adexta | i'll be back if i need help |
| 07:39.15 | sh0rt | adexta: do you get into the install process at all |
| 07:39.16 | maher | Todd_: do youwant to replace exim with a different mta? |
| 07:39.17 | adexta | no |
| 07:39.23 | adexta | it gives me something about DHCP |
| 07:39.26 | chance2105 | When I do 'apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8' -- the resulting .bz2 that's dropping in /usr/src/, does that have the debian patches in cluded? |
| 07:39.27 | mc_ | is there a debian-mentors like channel? i've some problem to create my first package |
| 07:39.28 | adexta | let me do it again, ok? |
| 07:39.32 | sh0rt | ok |
| 07:39.35 | chance2105 | *dropped |
| 07:39.44 | poonj | valdyn_: okay |
| 07:39.46 | maher | chance2105: yes |
| 07:40.00 | poonj | valdyn_: I'm using a matrxo g450 etv riht now...and it doesn't seem to have much support |
| 07:40.01 | chance2105 | maher: cool, thnx |
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| 07:40.14 | valdyn_ | poonj: i can be clearer if you specify which chip exactly and what you intend to do with it. |
| 07:40.19 | poonj | valdyn_: so I'm looking to buy a cheap nvidia card or something |
| 07:40.32 | poonj | valdyn_: well, I'm looking at an nvidia FX5200/FX5600 |
| 07:40.49 | poonj | valdyn_: and ATI 9200SE or 9600 Pro |
| 07:41.06 | valdyn_ | poonj: go with nvidia then. |
| 07:41.19 | mc_ | thanks anyay |
| 07:41.21 | poonj | valdyn_: okay...I'll wait for sale or something |
| 07:41.22 | mc_ | bye |
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| 07:41.27 | poonj | valdyn_: okay...but now I know the card I need |
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| 07:42.22 | valdyn_ | poonj: reason to use ati would be a) old one ( like radeon 7500 ) and at the same time b) need acpi support. |
| 07:42.30 | wishie | hmm, /proc/cpuinfo says i have HT, but i dont.. |
| 07:42.38 | hgoesm | do somebody know a prog which can copy radio stream to mp3 |
| 07:42.59 | poonj | valdyn_: there isn't acpi support with nvidia cards? |
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| 07:43.23 | valdyn_ | poonj: nope, neither with the ati cards and atis binary driver |
| 07:43.59 | cahoot | hgoesm: arecord if you use alsa |
| 07:44.23 | hgoesm | alsa you mean driver |
| 07:44.30 | wishie | why would /proc/cpuinfo show the 'ht' flag, if i dont have hyper-threading ? |
| 07:44.47 | valdyn_ | poonj: nvidia supports apm, ymmv, i never used it. |
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| 07:45.04 | llama32 | hi ppl |
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| 07:45.59 | llama32 | how do i pipe errors to a file? like "ls > ls.txt" bu including [or only] errors |
| 07:45.59 | llama32 | s/bu/but |
| 07:46.02 | adexta | okay |
| 07:46.03 | adexta | back |
| 07:46.09 | adexta | it won't load from CD |
| 07:46.10 | poonj | valdyn_: what about video playback..mythtv howto says nvidia cards support is better |
| 07:46.15 | valdyn_ | llama32: <program> 2>&1 > errors |
| 07:46.17 | poonj | valdyn_: is that true as well? |
| 07:46.21 | cahoot | hgoesm: arecord -f S16_LE -c1 -r 44100 -t wav -d 3600 -D hw:0,0 | lame -m m --bitwidth 16 -s 44.1 - - | cat > some.mp3 |
| 07:46.49 | valdyn_ | poonj: works very well |
| 07:46.54 | llama32 | valdn_: example? :| |
| 07:47.12 | adexta | once i've installed the first ISO, i'll be able to complete installation? |
| 07:47.19 | Shorty_ | . |
| 07:47.21 | valdyn_ | llama32: that was one |
| 07:47.22 | sh0rt | adexta: same error |
| 07:47.24 | llama32 | *valdyn_ |
| 07:47.38 | adexta | actually, i can't get it to boot from CD |
| 07:47.42 | adexta | it did before |
| 07:47.50 | adexta | but now it just goes straight to grub |
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| 07:48.27 | llama32 | valdyn_: how about one an idiot would understand... |
| 07:48.46 | hgoesm | ok thx, do u know a prog which works like streamripper |
| 07:49.02 | adexta | have you tried google? |
| 07:49.03 | sh0rt | adexta: what boot param are you giving it |
| 07:49.06 | poonj | thanks valdyn_ |
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| 07:49.21 | llama32 | actually nm valdyn_ |
| 07:49.33 | adexta | uh, i have teh boot setup configured to "CD FIRST" |
| 07:49.53 | adexta | still jumps to grub for suse |
| 07:50.02 | valdyn_ | llama32: "some_program 2>&1 > errors.txt" ( the 2 is stderr, >&1 redirects it to stdout, > redirects stdout to errors.txt |
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| 07:50.39 | valdyn_ | llama32: if you want _only_ errors in errors.txt "someprogram 2>errors.txt" |
| 07:51.27 | adexta | i'll eject the disk and try it once more |
| 07:51.42 | luddz | i am going to reinstall my comp, istead of installing x-window via base-config, apt-get install "x-window" something like that, but what else do i need for comando? |
| 07:51.57 | adexta | if that's not working, i'll find the iso and burn it with suse |
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| 07:52.42 | llama32 | thanks valdyn_ |
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| 07:53.04 | wishie | fibept: i added a samba group to the client machine, and told mount to use gid=1001 (which is the id of the samba user) but i still cant write. |
| 07:53.22 | wishie | samba group i mean |
| 07:53.28 | adexta | okay, it still skips starting with the CD |
| 07:53.32 | adexta | and i don't know why |
| 07:53.35 | valdyn_ | luddz: /msg dpkg setup x |
| 07:54.00 | adexta | anybody interested in pasting the location of the first ISO for the latest sarge install? |
| 07:54.17 | valdyn_ | !d-i adexta |
| 07:54.18 | dpkg | adexta, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 07:54.38 | adexta | i can go there in lynx? |
| 07:54.39 | igraltist | adexta, have you a virus inside :) |
| 07:54.56 | adexta | i'm on a tty on a 233 mhz redhate box |
| 07:54.59 | adexta | redhat* |
| 07:55.10 | rob^ | adexta, you were right the first time |
| 07:55.17 | igraltist | why you offer a sarge installer? |
| 07:55.30 | valdyn_ | adexta: you could, but : http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:55.44 | adexta | thanks valdyn_ |
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| 07:56.12 | rixth | sm.c:151: error: conflicting types for `sm_init' |
| 07:56.12 | rixth | sm.h:24: error: previous declaration of `sm_init' |
| 07:56.14 | rixth | huh? |
| 07:56.23 | adexta | wait, the net install is what i have |
| 07:56.32 | adexta | that's what's giving me the trouble |
| 07:56.37 | adexta | it booted to CD once |
| 07:56.48 | adexta | and determined it couldn't find a DHCP something |
| 07:56.52 | adexta | and jumped to grub |
| 07:57.07 | adexta | because harddrive is the next item on my boot order |
| 07:57.44 | adexta | and now it won't even go to the screen where it tells me it can't find the DHCP thingie |
| 07:57.56 | rixth | sm.c:151: error: conflicting types for `sm_init' & sm.h:24: error: previous declaration of `sm_init' ****** waht causes these errors? I've never had a prblem compiling Xmms is the past |
| 07:58.00 | valdyn_ | adexta: broken cdrom? |
| 07:58.08 | adexta | no, the cdrom works fine |
| 07:58.17 | valdyn_ | adexta: wheres it hanging then? |
| 07:58.36 | adexta | it just refuses to load into the cdrom |
| 07:58.49 | adexta | even though "cd first" is the specified boot order |
| 07:59.08 | adexta | grub doesn't have a "boot from CD" option |
| 07:59.34 | valdyn_ | adexta: either your disk or your hardware is broken. d-i netinst doesnt use a "special" method to boot |
| 07:59.55 | valdyn_ | adexta: maybe just reinsert, switch off the box, whatever |
| 08:00.13 | adexta | it worked fine once to give me the dhcp message |
| 08:00.26 | adexta | can i get past the DHCP not found problem? |
| 08:00.33 | adexta | once i get to it? |
| 08:00.56 | valdyn_ | adexta: you can configure your network manually. Do you even have a dhcp server? |
| 08:01.23 | adexta | i'm not entirely sure what that is |
| 08:01.34 | adexta | my brother setup the network we have |
| 08:01.52 | valdyn_ | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/rc2/sarge-i386-netinst.iso <- rc2 |
| 08:02.21 | adexta | rc2 is preferable to rc3? |
| 08:02.23 | valdyn_ | adexta: that wont fix your booting issue though, hit F1 when the first screen shows on booting the CD and read |
| 08:02.32 | valdyn_ | adexta: no |
| 08:03.02 | adexta | f1 pauses? |
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| 08:03.36 | valdyn_ | adexta: shows available boot options, like using a 2.6 kernel for install and various other options |
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| 08:04.31 | adexta | okay |
| 08:04.34 | adexta | here's what happens |
| 08:04.39 | adexta | i switch on power |
| 08:04.46 | adexta | the Dell bios loads |
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| 08:05.28 | adexta | screen blanks for a second, the text "grub loader stage 2" flashes on the screen, and it jumps to the suse booting options |
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| 08:05.58 | adexta | i've used F2 to enter the boot options |
| 08:06.01 | valdyn_ | adexta: so its booting from harddisk, not from cdrom |
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| 08:06.07 | adexta | i set CD as teh first item though |
| 08:06.23 | adexta | i'll try it again, and then go to sleep |
| 08:06.49 | valdyn_ | adexta: look again if that is really true, at the very least there should be some action in your cd drive while the bios checks it and the media |
| 08:07.59 | luulis | adexta: i'd guess bios just fails to detect the cd somehow in that case.. |
| 08:08.50 | opqdonut | i've got a headless server. could i use a laptop to access it via serial cable? like serial console kinda |
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| 08:12.46 | adexta | okay |
| 08:12.47 | adexta | i'm back |
| 08:13.21 | adexta | it still pauses and says "grub loading stage2" |
| 08:13.37 | adexta | i think the pause is what luulis said |
| 08:13.52 | adexta | i'm goign to bed and tackling this in the morning |
| 08:14.06 | adexta | probably i'll get the full set of ISO's |
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| 08:14.14 | adexta | or at least the first ISO |
| 08:14.18 | adexta | and installing from there |
| 08:14.36 | adexta | i'm not a linux wizard, so all the iso's might be a good idea |
| 08:15.09 | adexta | i'd be up a creek if i couldn't get the net working from that box |
| 08:15.19 | adexta | anyway, night all |
| 08:15.51 | hgoesm | night |
| 08:15.52 | hgoesm | ?? |
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| 08:16.18 | adexta | it's 2 something in the AM here |
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| 08:16.29 | hgoesm | where |
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| 08:28.55 | serds | hello |
| 08:29.12 | serds | my sendmail can send mail only to "mydomain.com" |
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| 08:29.21 | serds | not outside |
| 08:29.32 | serds | can you help me resolve this matter? |
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| 08:32.52 | Iwrite | Will someone tell me how to set up KDE to load on boot? |
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| 08:33.30 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: apt-get install kdm |
| 08:33.31 | Iwrite | I just installed 3.0 w/2.2 kernel. |
| 08:34.20 | sanxiyn | Iwrite: Oh. Why. |
| 08:34.28 | Iwrite | valdyn: It's installed. Didn't load on system re-boot. |
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| 08:34.55 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: what started then? |
| 08:35.44 | Iwrite | valdyn: No GUI. Just command prompt. |
| 08:36.25 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: it must have at least tried to start a dm like kdm if its installed, unless you disabled that manually. |
| 08:36.46 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: can you start X at all? |
| 08:36.58 | Iwrite | valdyn: All I did was follow install prompts. I disabled nothing. |
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| 08:38.12 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: what prompts would one get on reboot? did you even reboot yet? can you start X at all? |
| 08:38.19 | fast | hi there, Does any1 know where i can find the topology of the base/login? |
| 08:38.20 | Iwrite | sanxiyn: Because that's the best my Gigabyte mobo will load. |
| 08:38.29 | drummer87 | hi, can someone help, i have no sdb in /dev |
| 08:38.41 | drummer87 | and i need it |
| 08:38.45 | valdyn_ | drummer87: you are using udev? |
| 08:38.54 | drummer87 | udev? |
| 08:38.57 | valdyn_ | drummer87: why do you need it? |
| 08:39.12 | drummer87 | to mount my thumb drive |
| 08:39.20 | drummer87 | sda is used by my sata |
| 08:39.26 | valdyn_ | !usb storage |
| 08:39.33 | drummer87 | yep |
| 08:39.35 | valdyn_ | !usb-storage |
| 08:39.35 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 08:40.40 | sh0rt | is there anything dpkg doesnt know |
| 08:40.41 | cahoot | valdyn_: sd should be sd_mod |
| 08:40.41 | Iwrite | System boots to run level 2. What's the command to change to run level 5? |
| 08:41.08 | valdyn_ | cahoot: depending on kernel i guess? |
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| 08:41.16 | Putiikki | Iwrite: telinit 5 |
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| 08:41.38 | cahoot | valdyn_: well - at least for 2.6 |
| 08:41.39 | valdyn_ | drummer87: which kernel are you running? above should be valid for 2.4.x, 2.6 will be similar but not identical |
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| 08:42.39 | cahoot | valdyn_: sd_mod also for 2.4 kernels |
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| 08:43.37 | Iwrite | Says "Starting K Desktop Manager," but doesn't load. |
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| 08:44.25 | valdyn_ | dpkg, usb-storage ~= s/'sd'/'sd_mod'/ |
| 08:44.41 | valdyn_ | !test |
| 08:44.41 | dpkg | No, valdyn_, you're not online any more. |
| 08:45.05 | drummer87 | sd_mod and usb-storage loaded but /dev/sdb does not exist |
| 08:45.23 | drummer87 | is there anywhere else i can mount it? |
| 08:45.53 | cahoot | drummer87: don't happen to have the ub module loaded? |
| 08:45.54 | igraltist | i have compile the kernel as root, it is a mistake? |
| 08:46.07 | jethro | igraltist: you can do it as a user |
| 08:46.07 | sh0rt | no |
| 08:46.15 | jethro | igraltist: but it doesn't harm to do it as root |
| 08:46.44 | igraltist | jethro, ah ok |
| 08:46.49 | valdyn_ | drummer87: what does lsusb tell |
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| 08:48.19 | drummer87 | Bus 003 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 08:48.25 | drummer87 | Bus 002 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 08:48.27 | drummer87 | Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 08:48.38 | Iwrite | Should I set xdm as default display manager, then load KDE? |
| 08:48.57 | valdyn_ | !usb-storage |
| 08:48.57 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 08:48.59 | igraltist | Iwrite, i use kdm |
| 08:49.47 | Iwrite | "nv" is correct driver for NVidia video? |
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| 08:50.06 | igraltist | yes |
| 08:50.17 | igraltist | but then yopu dont have opebgl support |
| 08:50.47 | sinoth | Hmm... I'm trying to compile pcmcia-cs on a 2.4.27 kernel, which I have successfully compiled from source and named "2.4.27-pcmcia" (which correctly shows under uname -r). The pcmcia-cs module, however, gets built somehow with the kernel name "2.4.27" and thus I am stuck with kernel mismatch errors. Any way I can fix this? |
| 08:51.19 | valdyn_ | drummer87: lsmod | grep "[ou]hci" |
| 08:51.24 | Iwrite | So, apt-get install opengl? |
| 08:51.40 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: which nvidia card do you have? |
| 08:52.03 | igraltist | Iwrite, no later when your debian is reday you must install the nvidia driver |
| 08:52.20 | igraltist | if you not play games nv is enough |
| 08:52.28 | valdyn_ | igraltist: hes using woody |
| 08:52.32 | Iwrite | valdyn: GeForce 2 MX 128MB. |
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| 08:53.00 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: "nv" is ok, but doesnt provide h/w accelerated opengl |
| 08:53.14 | igraltist | Iwrite, gf 2 has not 128 mb i think |
| 08:53.24 | Iwrite | igraltist: I loaded nv during install. |
| 08:53.36 | rixth | What is the best OSX theme? (Including window borders & controls) |
| 08:53.51 | igraltist | Iwrite, is your xserver running? |
| 08:53.52 | jethro | rixth: go poll somewhere else |
| 08:53.55 | rob^ | umm OSX! |
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| 08:54.54 | Iwrite | What's the command to check? dmesg something? |
| 08:54.55 | serds | my sendmail can send mail only to "mydomain.com" help. need to send outside |
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| 08:55.33 | valdyn_ | sinoth: make-kpkg --append_to_version -pcmcia modules-image |
| 08:55.50 | rixth | jethro, leave me alone. There's nothing much else happening. |
| 08:56.11 | igraltist | Iwrite, you can inster X and enter and with ctrl alt backspace you come back to console |
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| 08:56.49 | Iwrite | igraltist: inster=?? |
| 08:56.59 | igraltist | sorry insert |
| 08:57.05 | igraltist | or write |
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| 08:57.14 | jethro | rixth: nobody but suckers care about your lame polls, this is a debian support channel, moron |
| 08:57.15 | MobyTurbo | !polls |
| 08:57.16 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 08:57.36 | sinoth | valdyn_, i'm building from source obtained from the website and not apt-get, for some reason I can't do modules-image |
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| 08:58.01 | sinoth | its just seems to be something annoying wrong in the pcmcia script thats fetching the wrong kernel name |
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| 08:58.53 | wishie | by the way, the pppoe debian package caused me hours of grief. when i downloaded the source from roaring penguin, it just worked. |
| 08:59.00 | sh0rt | sinoth: maybe edit the extraversion line in your kernel makefile to -pcmcia. |
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| 08:59.13 | valdyn_ | sinoth: but you made your kernel with make-kpkg --append-to-version ? |
| 08:59.15 | sh0rt | sinoth: maybe edit the extraversion line in your kernel makefile to -pcmcia. |
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| 08:59.20 | sinoth | yes valdyn_ |
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| 08:59.39 | sh0rt | sorry, was stuck up the page |
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| 08:59.55 | valdyn_ | sinoth: right, what sh0rt said, but you module should probably work even if named wrongly, if you copy it over manually |
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| 08:59.58 | sinoth | sh0rt, would that just be in in the file Makefile? i wasn't sure |
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| 09:00.33 | sinoth | valdyn_, what do you mean copy over manually? its currently in the right place, /lib/modules/2.4.27-nopcmcia/whatever |
| 09:00.36 | Iwrite | igraltist: insert yields command not found. write yields "you have write permission turned off." chmod 777 root yields "no such file or directory." |
| 09:00.55 | sh0rt | sinoth: in your kernel source yes, the file called makefile |
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| 09:01.24 | sinoth | sh0rt, ooooh, the kernel sources, not the pcmcia sources? |
| 09:01.41 | valdyn_ | sinoth: you want it in 2.4.27-pcmcia - so copying it there, running depmod -a, then modprobe <modulename> should work |
| 09:01.44 | jethro | Iwrite: you want to chmod 777 <something> for just a very few cases, and you sound like you mix chmod and chown |
| 09:02.04 | spoof | what a you think about that : http://autopackage.org/ ? |
| 09:02.14 | igraltist | Iwrite, hmm have you write X and psuh enter , you must be root to start X |
| 09:02.34 | Iwrite | telinit 5 yields "switching to...." then "Sending processes the TERM signal." |
| 09:03.04 | Iwrite | jethro: I want root to have full permissions. |
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| 09:04.15 | jethro | Iwrite: root *has* the power to do anything |
| 09:04.44 | valdyn_ | sinoth: ah, nm, you *might* need module versioning support for that - which you probably dont have enabled |
| 09:04.44 | jethro | Iwrite: unless you use some RBAC system, which I doubt you do |
| 09:05.01 | sinoth | valdyn_, i specifically turned it off because it was breaking linux-wlan |
| 09:05.03 | Iwrite | jethro: Then why does write x yield "you have write permission turned off?" |
| 09:05.16 | jethro | Iwrite: man write maybe? |
| 09:05.19 | sh0rt | damm im gonna run out of beer |
| 09:05.37 | sinoth | woo! modifying the kernel makefile's extra version fixed it... it was blank before, I'm not sure why make-kpkg doesn't do that for you, seems rather important |
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| 09:06.26 | Iwrite | Why does insert x yield "command not found?" |
| 09:06.29 | valdyn_ | sinoth: guess it tries not to modify your source tree |
| 09:06.43 | jethro | !sing sunday |
| 09:06.43 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 09:07.07 | sinoth | thats depressing T_T |
| 09:07.40 | loren | [01:11] loren: is there any other command to get /list than /list ? |
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| 09:08.11 | nagual | why would you want another command that does the exact same thing? |
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| 09:08.24 | loren | because Trillian won't accept /list |
| 09:08.24 | loren | 0_o |
| 09:08.37 | jethro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:09.35 | sinoth | just curious, why does debhelper custom tailor the channel limit every so often? |
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| 09:09.50 | jethro | sinoth: preventing massjoin floods |
| 09:10.02 | Iwrite | jethro: man write says it's a messaging software. Yet igraltist said use it to load x. "Does not compute. |
| 09:10.03 | hgoesm | have someone a linksys wrt54g? |
| 09:10.16 | jethro | Iwrite: are you really such a fucking retard? |
| 09:10.26 | jethro | Iwrite: or do you just pretend you are? |
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| 09:10.46 | wishie | how can i forward port 81 on my gateway machine to port 80 on my intenal machine, using iptables ? |
| 09:10.57 | jethro | wishie: man iptables |
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| 09:11.07 | sinoth | beat me to it jethro :( |
| 09:11.29 | Iwrite | jethro: Is that supposed to be helpful? I just loaded my first copy of Debian. Need guidance, not eliteism. |
| 09:11.43 | loren | damn |
| 09:11.45 | loren | damn PJIRC :( |
| 09:11.58 | wishie | argh |
| 09:12.27 | igraltist | Iwrite, you can also write startx for starting the xserver but X is for testing better, then i also will see if the mouse working |
| 09:12.28 | jethro | Iwrite: you're supposed to be willing to *learn* in the first place, and not get breastfeeded |
| 09:12.54 | jethro | igraltist: I d say "use the command startx" considering how stupid Iwrite seems to be |
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| 09:13.24 | igraltist | jethro, mayby first time he use linux |
| 09:13.35 | jethro | igraltist: maybe first time you talk english too |
| 09:13.52 | jethro | igraltist: and mixing both gives funny results :) |
| 09:13.52 | loren | hmmh |
| 09:13.54 | loren | cya |
| 09:14.09 | igraltist | hihi |
| 09:14.31 | Denn | How can i see the oidentd trafic? |
| 09:14.34 | Denn | grep something or? |
| 09:14.42 | Iwrite | jethro: I ordered Wiley Publishing Bible for Debian in Aug., 2004. Latest projected delivery is now May, 2005. When I can get docs, I do homework. |
| 09:14.42 | jethro | Denn: tcpdump or tail the logs |
| 09:14.54 | Denn | the logs |
| 09:14.58 | Denn | but cant i grep something |
| 09:15.02 | Denn | got the commando before |
| 09:15.02 | jethro | Iwrite: you have loads of docs available on the internet |
| 09:15.12 | jethro | Denn: man grep |
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| 09:15.25 | sinoth | man files and google get you a looong way.. |
| 09:15.26 | jethro | Denn: logs are in /var/log, just man grep and you're done |
| 09:15.36 | Denn | arh :D |
| 09:16.09 | Iwrite | igraltist: Er, mouse doesn't work in text mode. I just used "startx." "X connection to :0.0 broken (explict kill or server shutdown). |
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| 09:16.22 | jethro | Iwrite: http://www.linux.ie/newusers/beginners-linux-guide/ |
| 09:17.10 | sinoth | Iwrite, server shutdown can mean many things, usually something wrong with your config file |
| 09:17.56 | jethro | Iwrite: which banana republic are you living in to get such delivery delays? |
| 09:18.50 | Denn | jethro grep oident /var/log , gives none |
| 09:18.51 | Iwrite | jethro: The Soviet Socialist Republic of California.:^) |
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| 09:19.00 | Breeder | i have kernel-source-2.6.10 and noticed that kernel-source-2.6.11 is available doing apt-get dist-upgrade shouldnt update that package? |
| 09:19.08 | djw | how can I send the output from echo to stderr in a shell script? |
| 09:19.25 | sinoth | debian isn't terribly hard these days, you just have to force yourself to GET OFF IRC and try to fix it yourself first. IRC should be last ditch effort, not learning tool |
| 09:19.30 | jethro | Iwrite: blame arnold then he brought the USSR spirit there |
| 09:19.38 | rob^ | yeah |
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| 09:20.03 | jethro | djw: what do you want to do? |
| 09:20.18 | rob^ | Breeder, 2.6.10 is the newest kernel in Sid |
| 09:20.52 | sinoth | give 2.6 a try, its pretty hot |
| 09:21.04 | djw | jethro: I don't want warnings and information to be piped into the next program |
| 09:21.38 | jeanmi__ | how do I tell sedd to replace any non alphanumeric characters by ... nothing (i.e to remove them) ? |
| 09:21.42 | djw | jethro: at the momemt I have echo "I've done foo", I want that to go to stderr |
| 09:22.24 | RuffianSoldier | hmmmm |
| 09:22.27 | Iwrite | jethro: Delivery problem -- and Socialist California mentality -- pre-dated our Governator.:^) |
| 09:22.54 | Iwrite | jethro: No smoking in bars, for example. |
| 09:23.28 | jethro | no smoking in bars in a nice thing |
| 09:23.36 | jethro | that's actually what I enjoyed in cali |
| 09:23.43 | joey_ | djw, these question are better in #bash. >&2 to pipe to stderr |
| 09:23.59 | jethro | not being able to take you drink out for a smoke is stupid tho |
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| 09:24.08 | jethro | s/able/allowed/ |
| 09:24.25 | _blue | how do excute wget for when i want to download a directory from a site that uses 401 authorization? |
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| 09:24.29 | djw | joey_: mmm, true, thanks anyway |
| 09:24.34 | Iwrite | jethro: As personal choice, fine. Unacceptable/unAmerican when imposed by law. |
| 09:24.40 | jethro | _blue: man wget, look for authentication |
| 09:24.48 | Denn | jethro how to grep oident from the logs? cant figure it out |
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| 09:24.56 | jethro | !cluebat Denn |
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| 09:25.16 | Breeder | rob^: kernel-source-2.6.11 is in the list when i do "apt-cache search kernel-source" |
| 09:25.52 | jethro | _blue: and 401 is not an authorization, it's an http error telling you that you need to be authorized to access a given ressource |
| 09:25.56 | DebUser | Right now I'm not at a Debian machine. But if I wanted to install a program that requires an X-server, for example Mozilla-suite, when I apt-get install the mozilla-suite will it automatically download and install an x-server for that machine? |
| 09:26.08 | her0 | yes |
| 09:26.17 | her0 | if it depends on X, it will |
| 09:26.17 | Iwrite | jethro: Yes, but it helps your drink not smoke. How's that for Socialist justification? |
| 09:26.25 | jethro | DebUser: it will download whatever it depends on |
| 09:27.15 | DebUser | :S Can I tell it not to download the X-server, so instead I can use another machines (remote machines, i.e. this ones) X-server? |
| 09:27.41 | her0 | no, cause mozilla-suite wont work without X |
| 09:27.42 | MobyTurbo | DebUser: it won't download all of X, just the libraries. To get all of X you need to apt-get install x-window-system-core and an xterm and a window manager, either that or x-window-system for all the stuff. |
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| 09:27.45 | jethro | DebUser: iirc, it will not install the whole server stuff |
| 09:27.45 | scarynetworkguy | DebUser: Mozilla does not depend on X. |
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| 09:27.53 | _blue | jethro: i DO have authorization |
| 09:27.57 | rob^ | Breeder, what flavour of Debian are you running? |
| 09:28.05 | _blue | but i dunno how to download a directory from where i do know the username and password via wget |
| 09:28.20 | DebUser | man wget has the info |
| 09:28.39 | MobyTurbo | her0: it will work without all of X on the machine if you're in certain environments, that's why it doesn't pull it in. Don't answer a question if you haven't seen it yourself. |
| 09:28.40 | jethro | DebUser: on the other hand, you need x related stuff on the system to export via x11 or ssh x forwarding |
| 09:28.42 | rob^ | Breeder, I'm using Sid and its not in mine |
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| 09:29.01 | her0 | k.. |
| 09:29.14 | jethro | _blue: man wget tells you how you should use the login and password to login |
| 09:29.29 | rob^ | mirc? |
| 09:29.32 | _blue | jethro: but only individually |
| 09:29.48 | jethro | _blue: how is that supposed to make sense? |
| 09:30.05 | Breeder | rob^: using sid too |
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| 09:30.49 | jethro | hah |
| 09:30.51 | jethro | nice PTR |
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| 09:30.53 | rob^ | I last did an update about 10hrs ago, 2.6.10 is all I have |
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| 09:31.25 | _blue | wget --http-username --http-password -r -nd -np http://blah.com/dir is the correct syntax? |
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| 09:32.34 | KimHansen_ | Does anyone have a hint for avoiding the LVM-warnings in bug #281831 ? |
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| 09:34.42 | drummer87 | hey, does winXP have issues if linux is installed on a partition on the same drive? |
| 09:35.01 | rob^ | norox, not if you install win xp first |
| 09:35.12 | rob^ | i mean |
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| 09:35.19 | rob^ | norox, not if you install xp first |
| 09:35.31 | rob^ | norox, wtf? |
| 09:36.20 | drummer87 | norox? |
| 09:36.36 | rob^ | xchat is playing up |
| 09:36.46 | drummer87 | ah.. |
| 09:36.55 | rob^ | what I ment to say was: not if you install xp first |
| 09:37.27 | rob^ | hmm whats another good irc client? |
| 09:37.29 | drummer87 | k, so xp will just ignore the other partitions? |
| 09:37.46 | sh0rt | drummer87: xp cant even see them |
| 09:37.51 | rob^ | yeah, ones it doesn't understand |
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| 09:38.43 | drummer87 | good good.. i just don't trust it to keep to itself |
| 09:38.47 | kenta | ¤³¤ó¤Ë¤Á¤ï |
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| 09:39.23 | sh0rt | kenta: english? |
| 09:39.54 | kenta | Can I speak Japanese ? |
| 09:40.15 | rob^ | nope, no one here but you understands it |
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| 09:40.21 | sh0rt | kenta: yes dont write it though |
| 09:41.02 | kenta | I cannot speak Engish well. |
| 09:41.05 | rob^ | what irc clients are people using? |
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| 09:41.11 | rob^ | I'm sick of x-crap |
| 09:41.26 | kenta | Sorry! |
| 09:41.30 | kenta | bye! |
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| 09:42.37 | MaximusBrood | hi |
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| 09:42.53 | sinoth | aww i wanted to help kenta :( his engrish woulda been classic |
| 09:43.07 | rob^ | yeah |
| 09:43.13 | rob^ | haha |
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| 09:43.31 | MaximusBrood | ive searched for a CPU usage script/proggie but i cant find it... does anyone know of something what will do it ???? |
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| 09:43.57 | DebUser | MaximusBrood, can't you just use top? |
| 09:44.08 | rob^ | MaximusBrood, if your using gnome theres an app and a panel applet |
| 09:44.38 | wishie | i have the debian package "ipmasq" installed. how can i add a script to forward port 81 to port 80 on one of my internal machine ? |
| 09:44.40 | rob^ | DebUser, I think hes after something with a little more "flair" |
| 09:44.51 | DebUser | Oh |
| 09:44.57 | MaximusBrood | im not in gnome im just on the commandline... CLI |
| 09:44.59 | DebUser | MaximusBrood, have you tried gkrellm? |
| 09:45.13 | rob^ | with graphics maybe? |
| 09:45.17 | jetscreamer | breet |
| 09:45.30 | sh0rt | MaximusBrood: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 09:45.40 | rob^ | MaximusBrood, use top then |
| 09:46.12 | sinoth | cpuinfo doesn't tell you usage though does it? |
| 09:46.24 | MaximusBrood | no... |
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| 09:48.43 | MaximusBrood | .@rob^ what do you mean with use top... :S i know im stupid... but |
| 09:49.01 | Denn | Is it possible to route al trafic on a speficed port to another machine on the internet? |
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| 09:49.07 | rob^ | MaximusBrood, just type "top" in at the prompt |
| 09:49.14 | MaximusBrood | lol |
| 09:49.14 | Denn | Want to route my 113 trafik to my freinds oidentd server |
| 09:49.14 | MaximusBrood | k |
| 09:49.15 | MaximusBrood | ty |
| 09:49.23 | Denn | freind* |
| 09:49.31 | drac | friend ? |
| 09:49.32 | markybob | Denn yes. go read about iptables. |
| 09:49.44 | Broseph | anyone know a good HOW-TO on using a .bmp for my background for command line? i dont want X installed but i just want something other than black |
| 09:49.44 | rob^ | brb |
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| 09:51.32 | C17H21NO4 | !bootsplash |
| 09:51.32 | dpkg | hmm... bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf |
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| 09:52.54 | wishie | how can i forward port 81 from my gateway machine, to port 80 on one of my internal machines ? ive read the howtos, but it doesnt seem to be working..perhaps this 'ipmasq' debian package is blocking ? |
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| 09:53.27 | marinos | Thats my bootsplash http://curium.homeunix.org/~marinos/pics/L7/donitab.xpm.gz |
| 09:54.47 | marinos | made from http://curium.homeunix.org/~marinos/pics/L7/donitab.jpg |
| 09:54.49 | wishie | can someone please help me with this masq/port forwarding issue |
| 09:54.54 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: ipkungfu or shorewall make iptables easier for beginners |
| 09:55.02 | wishie | hmm |
| 09:55.07 | wishie | ipkungfu ? |
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| 10:01.04 | DebUser | What will happen if I run a program compiled for the i686 on a i586? |
| 10:01.35 | Eclipser | nothing fatal :) |
| 10:01.53 | Eclipser | the program won't run or it won't run perfectly |
| 10:01.53 | DebUser | What's that mean? :P |
| 10:02.09 | DebUser | Oh okay, because I can't seem to find a i586 client for SETI :P |
| 10:02.18 | Eclipser | heh |
| 10:02.20 | Eclipser | well, try it then |
| 10:03.06 | MaximusBrood | i dont get the difference between i386 and i586 anyways... |
| 10:03.11 | MaximusBrood | processor instruction set? |
| 10:03.28 | jethro | MaximusBrood: it's like 200 |
| 10:03.47 | Eclipser | ehheh |
| 10:03.55 | her0 | hey, i just installed debian with the mailserver option enabled(smarthost) but my smtp doesnt work |
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| 10:04.04 | jethro | !doesn't work |
| 10:04.04 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 10:04.08 | wishie | ARGH! |
| 10:04.18 | wishie | anyone know much about the 'ipmasq' debian package ? |
| 10:04.21 | her0 | okk |
| 10:04.28 | her0 | its refusing smtp connections |
| 10:04.33 | wishie | how i can extend it to allow me to forward a port to an internal machine ? |
| 10:04.47 | jethro | her0: you mean the port is closed? |
| 10:04.52 | her0 | no, its internal |
| 10:04.55 | her0 | LAN |
| 10:05.13 | jethro | wishie: man ipmasq, as you were told earlier to man iptables, changing the program won't change the answer :) |
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| 10:06.13 | ^rob^ | hi |
| 10:06.17 | rob^ | hi |
| 10:06.21 | ^rob^ | :) |
| 10:06.23 | jethro | again |
| 10:06.26 | her0 | well POP3 works fine.. :) |
| 10:06.40 | petemc | her0: pop3 has nothing to do with exim |
| 10:06.44 | jethro | her0: be *specific* please, or you won't get any help |
| 10:06.45 | wishie | jethro: ok, but ive read the howtos on various pages ive googled for, and none of them seem to work |
| 10:06.48 | jethro | her0: is the port closed? |
| 10:06.49 | petemc | her0: did you install woody? |
| 10:07.01 | ^rob^ | i have a weird problem - when in X i type " i have to press space to show it otherwise it gets ¨ << |
| 10:07.03 | wishie | so as far as i can see, the ipmasq package (which sets up masq rules) might be blocking things |
| 10:07.20 | ^rob^ | same problem occur on ^ |
| 10:07.44 | rob^ | stupid, isn't it |
| 10:07.47 | her0 | no, i installed eh |
| 10:08.01 | rob^ | I had the same problem one with windows |
| 10:08.02 | her0 | sarge |
| 10:08.15 | ^rob^ | and? |
| 10:08.27 | petemc | her0: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, tell it to listen on all interfaces |
| 10:08.30 | rob^ | I installed Debian |
| 10:08.34 | ^rob^ | lol |
| 10:08.35 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: ipmasq writes iptable rules for natting, it could be overwriting or removing any rules you setup for forwarding. |
| 10:08.38 | ^rob^ | i have debian |
| 10:08.43 | her0 | ok, but i only have 1 interface enabled..:) |
| 10:09.17 | petemc | her0: the localhost is an interface |
| 10:09.24 | her0 | loopback right? |
| 10:09.27 | petemc | right |
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| 10:09.43 | her0 | well, my isp tells me to use their smarthost |
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| 10:09.54 | rob^ | ^rob^, I think its a keymap problem.. |
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| 10:10.15 | wishie | C17H21NO4: thank you. all i want was some info on it. heh. basically, ive run commands to forward port 81 on the gateway to 80 on an internal machine, but i think the ipmasq rules might be blocking port 81..i dont know.. |
| 10:10.21 | petemc | her0: its that, or else the exim4 daemon isnt started, either one is easy to check |
| 10:10.30 | wishie | so i figured my best bet, is to create a .rul file for ipmasq or something ? |
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| 10:10.59 | petemc | wishie: if you want custom rules i think your best bet is to not use ipmasq, its been a while since i looked at it tho |
| 10:11.04 | her0 | ok lets see if it works now :) |
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| 10:11.18 | ^rob^ | have 2 restart x - brb - i guess! |
| 10:11.18 | tomb0y | wishie: iptables -L && iptables -t nat -L verify that FORWARD has port 80 open, and that the nat table shows its forwarding dport 81 to internalip:80 |
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| 10:11.29 | jethro | what's the added value of ipmasq ? |
| 10:11.41 | petemc | automagic nat box |
| 10:11.54 | jethro | two words I don't like in your answer :) |
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| 10:12.26 | her0 | well, lol |
| 10:12.35 | her0 | its restarting now and doesnt answer so SIGINT's |
| 10:12.45 | her0 | Restarting MTA: exim4. |
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| 10:12.50 | petemc | her0: /etc/init.d/exim4 |
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| 10:13.02 | her0 | i know |
| 10:13.02 | nathanj | how come i dont get a option to select reiserfs ? |
| 10:13.13 | her0 | during install? |
| 10:13.16 | bebe | yes |
| 10:13.18 | her0 | ext3 is standard |
| 10:13.20 | jethro | bebe: using sarge installer? |
| 10:13.21 | wishie | well, i didnt know how to setup masq manually |
| 10:13.24 | bebe | i have done it during install before |
| 10:13.26 | her0 | you can select it |
| 10:13.30 | bebe | 3.0r2 |
| 10:13.33 | wishie | i had it on my last install, but i blew it away, and couldnt remember the commands |
| 10:13.42 | wishie | i dont like the idea of this automatic stuff either. |
| 10:14.01 | bebe | its currently defaulting to ext2 |
| 10:14.02 | her0 | when it asks whether the settings of hdd are right, you should go to something like advanced :) |
| 10:14.21 | MobyTurbo | bebe: that's not the sarge installer... |
| 10:14.38 | bebe | MobyTurbo: i know, i have used this before to do reiserfs. |
| 10:14.44 | her0 | nope, sarge defaults to ext3 |
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| 10:16.36 | Broseph | so has any of you got the background to work on debian without installing x before? |
| 10:16.44 | her0 | wait a sec :D |
| 10:17.24 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: http://www.netfilter.org has a wealth of info on the topic. You should really understand it before you use automagic tools so you will know what to do when things don't go right. |
| 10:17.24 | hail04 | how does one go about changing the apt-get mirrors? |
| 10:17.34 | hail04 | ive forgotten since it has been a while |
| 10:17.35 | petemc | hail04: apt-setup |
| 10:17.35 | jethro | hail04: run apt-setup |
| 10:17.38 | her0 | it sends ;D |
| 10:17.39 | hail04 | ta |
| 10:17.40 | hail04 | :) |
| 10:18.00 | petemc | Broseph: plenty of people use debian without using x |
| 10:18.09 | patad | hail04, change the apt-get file |
| 10:18.26 | Broseph | of course - i only meant have they got it set up so they can have a background image |
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| 10:18.38 | hail04 | err we have a few dreadfull speed mirrors in Aus heh |
| 10:18.40 | C17H21NO4 | Broseph: yes. |
| 10:18.48 | petemc | Broseph: you mean using a framebuffer? |
| 10:18.55 | Broseph | yes :D |
| 10:19.13 | her0 | thx all |
| 10:19.15 | petemc | i use vesa framebuffer on my laptop |
| 10:19.36 | Broseph | im using vga=0x317 for now cause the font was superhuge |
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| 10:20.06 | C17H21NO4 | Broseph: It requires a kernel patch, and a recomplile. kpkg is great! |
| 10:20.21 | wishie | argh! |
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| 10:20.34 | wishie | forget it. im over fscking around with this shit |
| 10:20.43 | wishie | bloody ip masq crap |
| 10:20.45 | wishie | too confusing. |
| 10:20.51 | jethro | :) |
| 10:20.54 | rob^ | haha |
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| 10:20.59 | Broseph | i didnt use kpkg to build my kernel |
| 10:21.10 | jethro | Broseph: you should, it's handy |
| 10:21.18 | C17H21NO4 | Broseph: very |
| 10:21.21 | petemc | wishie: its good at one thing, if you try to over extend it without fully understanding it you'll almost certainly have problems |
| 10:21.22 | Broseph | the other way worked just fine for me heh |
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| 10:21.51 | jethro | Broseph: of course other ways work, but using kpkg makes your life kind of easier :p |
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| 10:22.04 | dut | Hello! There are possible to start maintain #debian-ru channel, what has been registred by somebody and not support now.(this somebody not in IRC loong time) |
| 10:22.20 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: hi. you had a WRT54G didn't you? |
| 10:22.24 | Broseph | lol ill take your word for it - my current kernel is working so no need to reinvent the wheel |
| 10:22.28 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: yes |
| 10:22.59 | wishie | petemc: all i want to do, is forward port 81 on my internet box, to port 80 on one of my internal machines |
| 10:23.04 | wishie | but it seems it doesnt want to bloody work |
| 10:23.07 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: what version did you say it was? I've done some more research and it seems the ones currently on sale are inferior to the previous versions |
| 10:23.12 | C17H21NO4 | Broseph: You kernel isn't working if you want bootsplash. ;) |
| 10:23.13 | wishie | been fiddling with it for hours, and now im over it. |
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| 10:24.00 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: 2.x, I am not sure which subversion it is. |
| 10:24.05 | petemc | michal_: inferior in what way? |
| 10:24.10 | Broseph | lol true |
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| 10:24.24 | Broseph | i only got the idea a few days ago - months after i built it |
| 10:24.30 | Broseph | the patch returned errors :\ |
| 10:24.58 | C17H21NO4 | Broseph: Did you use the debian specific patch? |
| 10:25.08 | Broseph | er not that im aware of |
| 10:25.14 | michal_ | petemc: inferior in that the ethernet switching chipset is inferior.. doesn't support in hardware some of the features that the previous ones did.. |
| 10:25.16 | Broseph | it came off the site that was posted earlier |
| 10:25.47 | Broseph | C17H21NO4 you have a url for that patch? |
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| 10:26.46 | bebe | what cd do i need to install on reiser? |
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| 10:27.02 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: broadcom or admtek ethernet chipset? |
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| 10:27.27 | MobyTurbo | !ricerfs |
| 10:27.28 | dpkg | [ricerfs] the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 10:27.45 | bebe | !reiserfs |
| 10:27.46 | dpkg | it has been said that reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. |
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| 10:28.09 | C17H21NO4 | Broseph: debian.bootsplash.de |
| 10:28.17 | Broseph | C17H21NO4 thanks |
| 10:28.28 | bebe | MobyTurbo: can i use ext3 instead of ext2 at least |
| 10:28.42 | rob^ | hmm |
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| 10:28.57 | rob^ | reiserfs is great.. until it loses your data |
| 10:29.05 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: I am not at home now, so I cannot check. Broadcom sounds about right though. |
| 10:29.09 | bebe | i havenmt had a problem with it in the past. |
| 10:29.11 | MobyTurbo | bebe: Sarge's installer defaults to ext3 |
| 10:29.23 | MobyTurbo | bebe: and of course, as you know, it's a Woody option |
| 10:29.26 | petemc | michal_: i have a 6month old wrt54g here running satori formware |
| 10:29.28 | bebe | MobyTurbo: where can i get sarge's install becuase i have a 3.0r2 install cd |
| 10:29.29 | petemc | firmware |
| 10:29.32 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: ahh.. that's the inferior one then.. |
| 10:29.38 | bebe | MobyTurbo: well wheere is the option?> |
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| 10:30.21 | MobyTurbo | !tell bebe about d-i |
| 10:30.30 | michal_ | petemc: 6 months old means it's probably the better verion.. not sure exactly when they switched to broadcom date wise.. i don't want to buty a current one though as I want the extra functionality |
| 10:30.58 | petemc | michal_: what exact functionality is it you dont get? |
| 10:31.01 | bebe | MobyTurbo: i dont wnat to download a new installer |
| 10:31.08 | bebe | i need this server up now |
| 10:31.12 | MobyTurbo | bebe: your 3.0r2 CD should offer the option, though maybe not if you install the 2.2 kernel rather than bf2.4, I don't know. |
| 10:31.33 | MobyTurbo | bebe: if it's a server you might want Woody anyway. |
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| 10:31.37 | michal_ | petemc: just searching sveasoft forms for the details |
| 10:31.57 | bebe | MobyTurbo: AHHH!! thats it i forgot to boot bf2.4 :P |
| 10:31.58 | bebe | ta |
| 10:32.07 | michal_ | petemc, I can NEVER remember things.. I forget the same thing over and over a again thousands of times :/ |
| 10:32.11 | MobyTurbo | np |
| 10:32.12 | bebe | nah this server needs latest versions. |
| 10:32.21 | bebe | hence using unstable |
| 10:32.51 | MobyTurbo | bebe: the woody installer you have does not use "unstable", you'll have to dist-upgrade to that after installing. |
| 10:33.06 | bebe | yeahy i know |
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| 10:33.17 | MobyTurbo | bebe: but I wouldn't recommend running "unstable" on a server. |
| 10:33.30 | bebe | the only critical server it is running is a dns |
| 10:33.34 | MobyTurbo | bebe: use woody with backports for whatever package you need. |
| 10:33.37 | bebe | bind9 |
| 10:33.41 | simonrvn | even for an experienced admin it's rather difficult |
| 10:33.47 | wishie | how can i find out if ipmasq (the debian package) is blocking any other iptables rules i issue (such as forwarding ports) ? |
| 10:34.01 | bebe | maybe i should use sarge? |
| 10:34.04 | bebe | testing |
| 10:34.09 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: wishie turn it off. |
| 10:34.23 | MobyTurbo | bebe: sarge is bad for a server because it currently has no security updates. |
| 10:34.38 | MobyTurbo | bebe: sarge currently is testing |
| 10:34.42 | wishie | C17H21NO4: that was to me i take it ? but if i turn off ipmasq, then my net isnt shared. |
| 10:34.44 | michal_ | petemc, http://www.sveasoft.com/modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9487&highlight=wrt54gs+broadcom+qos |
| 10:34.52 | C17H21NO4 | michal_: It does everything I need it to. |
| 10:35.10 | michal_ | C17H21NO4: it wouldn't do everything I want though :/ |
| 10:35.13 | bebe | MobyTurbo: maybe ill stay on woody then... |
| 10:35.40 | petemc | michal_: i think any wrt54g with the right firmware will do QoS |
| 10:35.53 | michal_ | petemc: not if the hardware can't support it |
| 10:35.58 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: it will let you see if that is your problem. |
| 10:35.58 | MobyTurbo | bebe: "exciting new packages" and "server" don't go well togeather, because a server is not supposed to be exciting. ;-) |
| 10:36.08 | petemc | michal_: its doen in software, with wondershaper |
| 10:36.29 | bebe | MobyTurbo: well its a home server so it aint critical |
| 10:36.49 | michal_ | petemc: not entirely. for examply you can't isolate ethernet ports with the broadcom chipset |
| 10:36.56 | simonrvn | any server is critical. esp. if it's cloud facing |
| 10:37.19 | sh0rt | cloud facing? |
| 10:37.24 | simonrvn | ;p |
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| 10:37.53 | simonrvn | you know, that big blob you see on diagrams :P |
| 10:38.34 | michal_ | cloud == internet in most cases |
| 10:38.40 | simonrvn | ok, it wasn't that funny |
| 10:39.21 | sh0rt | just call me stupid |
| 10:39.33 | michal_ | sh0rt: stupid |
| 10:39.40 | simonrvn | poopie heads with no sense of play or humour :/ |
| 10:39.42 | sh0rt | waiting for that :) |
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| 10:39.56 | bebe | can i run 2.6 with woody? |
| 10:40.00 | wishie | ok, im on the gateway machine now.. |
| 10:40.20 | wishie | and ive run the following command.. |
| 10:40.22 | michal_ | bebo: you will need module-init-tools at least.. there are backports of it from testing |
| 10:40.24 | wishie | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 81 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.45:80 |
| 10:40.29 | wishie | that should work ? |
| 10:40.35 | sh0rt | wishie: i thought you were giving up half an hour ago :) |
| 10:40.50 | wishie | sh0rt: i did. but then i had a cigarette, so ive calmed down. |
| 10:40.56 | sh0rt | hah |
| 10:41.04 | sh0rt | have a beer |
| 10:41.09 | wishie | im about to |
| 10:41.11 | michal_ | man.. sitting at the computer listening to ambient music and drinking too much wine is great |
| 10:41.13 | sao | good old cigarettes lol |
| 10:41.30 | wishie | so, the above command should work ? |
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| 10:41.43 | bebe | irssi is so old on woody |
| 10:42.11 | michal_ | well.. any year now sarge should be out.. perhaps even this decade |
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| 10:42.20 | simonrvn | Wille88: if you want requests for port 81 coming in on ppp0 going to 192.168.0.45 port 80, sure |
| 10:42.23 | simonrvn | Wille88: sorry |
| 10:42.27 | simonrvn | wishie: ^^ |
| 10:42.38 | wishie | simonrvn: thats what i want. |
| 10:42.52 | wishie | if someone accesses port 81 on my gateway, it forward to port 80 on the internal machine. |
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| 10:43.05 | wishie | but, test it. http://bulletproof.servebeer.com:81 |
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| 10:43.46 | simonrvn | trying to load still |
| 10:43.57 | wishie | and it will never load. thats my problem. |
| 10:44.28 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: I think you also need a forwarding rule. |
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| 10:44.43 | simonrvn | have ip_forward=1? |
| 10:45.18 | wishie | try it now |
| 10:45.26 | simonrvn | sysctl -w net/ipv4/ip_forward=1 |
| 10:45.40 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: like iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
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| 10:45.42 | michal_ | or echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 10:45.54 | wishie | yeah, its set to 1 |
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| 10:45.57 | wishie | does it work ? |
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| 10:46.24 | sh0rt | nup |
| 10:46.34 | simonrvn | nope. |
| 10:46.51 | wishie | now again ? |
| 10:47.05 | wishie | i added the FORWARD rule C17H21NO4 suggested. |
| 10:47.27 | wishie | nmap isnt showing that my PC is listening on port 81 though. |
| 10:48.14 | simonrvn | netstat -plaunt | grep 81 |
| 10:48.40 | renegad3 | wishie, have you flushed your rules then restarted the script? |
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| 10:49.18 | smsmasters | Hi, how do I get debian to boot directly to command line, not the grey login screen? |
| 10:49.35 | wishie | nothing from netstat |
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| 10:50.02 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: apt-get remove --purge xdm |
| 10:50.11 | wishie | right now, i flushed _all_ rules, and have simply run the command i specified above, and the forward command C17H21NO4 suggested |
| 10:50.16 | smsmasters | Thank you my friend! |
| 10:50.54 | MobyTurbo | yw |
| 10:50.54 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: What are your default policies? |
| 10:50.55 | smsmasters | how do I install the latest versions of php, mysql and apache? |
| 10:51.17 | renegad3 | smsmasters, apt-get install php, mysql and apache |
| 10:51.23 | wishie | C17H21NO4: right now i have nothing. empty iptables rules. how can i forward a port to an internal machine. |
| 10:51.26 | renegad3 | you should read the apt-get docs |
| 10:51.31 | smsmasters | I have done that, but they are not the latest versions |
| 10:51.34 | wishie | C17H21NO4: i just want to start from scratch |
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| 10:52.20 | wishie | ok, i have no rules at all set in iptables at the moment. |
| 10:52.24 | wishie | so, where do i start. |
| 10:52.29 | C17H21NO4 | Do you just have the 2 rules above in you chains now? |
| 10:52.44 | wishie | right now, i have _nothing_ |
| 10:52.46 | michal_ | petemc, check this out. this is what's possible with the pre-broadcom chipsets. http://www.sveasoft.com/modules/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2117 |
| 10:52.51 | smsmasters | I have tried apt-get install php, mysql and apache, but it installs the older versions... |
| 10:52.56 | wishie | all i am after, is simple masq, and one port forwarded. |
| 10:53.38 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: Add the two rules from above. |
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| 10:54.08 | wishie | the one i specified ? and the one you suggested ? |
| 10:54.20 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: well, you have several choices if you want later packages than Woody's for a server, but all of them have drawbacks. |
| 10:54.33 | smsmasters | ok |
| 10:54.47 | smsmasters | Does Debian have like a hard disk defragmenter? |
| 10:54.52 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: Yes |
| 10:55.25 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: GNU/Linux has decent file systems, unlike Windows, it doesn't need a defragmenter. |
| 10:55.31 | wishie | ok, i have the following. |
| 10:55.32 | smsmasters | lovely |
| 10:55.38 | wishie | iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 81 -j DNAT --to 192.168.0.45:80 |
| 10:55.41 | wishie | iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 81 -j ACCEPT |
| 10:55.52 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: Also add a set for lo so you can test it from your gateway |
| 10:55.56 | smsmasters | does anyone know how to setup ftp users/permission/directories in webmin? |
| 10:56.14 | wishie | same commands, replacing ppp0 with lo ? |
| 10:56.19 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: yes |
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| 10:57.20 | wishie | ok |
| 10:57.40 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: telnet localhost 81 |
| 10:58.01 | wishie | connection refused. |
| 10:58.01 | MobyTurbo | !webmin |
| 10:58.02 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
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| 10:58.22 | smsmasters | Was that sarcasm? |
| 10:58.28 | jethro | indeed |
| 10:58.31 | smsmasters | !webmin |
| 10:58.32 | dpkg | somebody said webmin was a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed ... |
| 10:58.36 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: telnet <webserver ip> 80 |
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| 10:58.43 | smsmasters | What is a safe cpanel? |
| 10:58.45 | wishie | port 80 will work |
| 10:58.53 | RolandU | hi all! |
| 10:58.54 | wishie | oh, you mean the internal one. |
| 10:59.07 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: vi ;-) |
| 10:59.15 | smsmasters | what is vi |
| 10:59.20 | wishie | the internal machine is listening on port 80. thats working fine. |
| 10:59.23 | RolandU | Is my debian-system supposed to know that I switched to summertime last night? |
| 10:59.24 | pulu | smsmasters: i don't think there are any but i think webmin's the best |
| 10:59.32 | jethro | RolandU: if you run ntp yes |
| 10:59.34 | smsmasters | Do you know how to setup ftp users/dirs |
| 10:59.39 | smsmasters | in webmin? |
| 10:59.40 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: a text editor, though you probably want to use an easier one. |
| 10:59.48 | michal_ | with the pre broadcom chipset the WRT54G is a full layer 3 switch |
| 11:00.21 | smsmasters | also, how do u logout of a username from command prompt? |
| 11:00.28 | wishie | C17H21NO4: so you may see my problem/frustration now. in theory, the port forward should be working, correct ? |
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| 11:00.39 | RolandU | jethro: and if not? |
| 11:00.41 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: control-d |
| 11:00.55 | michal_ | petemc, "BCM5325 looks to me much more restricted than ADM switch. The specs I got from roboswitch.com says it cannot do 802.1q based vlans, only port based vlans are supported. Also it have poorer QoS support and per-port bandwidth control is absent too. " |
| 11:01.06 | jethro | RolandU: I guess it won't know |
| 11:01.19 | smsmasters | control-d doesnt work |
| 11:01.24 | wishie | smsmasters: logout. |
| 11:01.34 | smsmasters | thanks |
| 11:01.37 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: dump iptables -L to #flood |
| 11:01.48 | pulu | wishie: do -L -v |
| 11:01.52 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: exit or logout should work too |
| 11:02.01 | smsmasters | thanks |
| 11:02.16 | smsmasters | http://elitehost.ath.cx/vbulletin/index.php how is the speed? |
| 11:02.21 | michal_ | god damn i'm sorry I didn't buy a wrt54gs when they were still at v1.0 |
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| 11:04.06 | RolandU | well, I am able to do the timechange on my own, that's not difficult, the question is whether php is able to figure out that my gmt-offset changed (because gmt is always the same)..... |
| 11:04.39 | RolandU | I will ask in the php-channel |
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| 11:05.13 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: Your forward rule should be port 80 |
| 11:05.29 | MobyTurbo | RolandU: if you have your timezone set up properly, Linux will change the time for daylight savings on it's own. |
| 11:05.38 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: prerouting applies before forward. |
| 11:05.57 | l1nux | i have problem with xfree and keyboard ! |
| 11:06.04 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: iptables -t filter -A FORWARD -i ppp0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j ACCEPT |
| 11:06.05 | wishie | C17H21NO4: i want to forward 81 on the gateway to 80 on the webserver (internal) |
| 11:06.39 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: No, you want prerouting to change the dport, and you want to forward connections to port 80 |
| 11:07.00 | smsmasters | does anyone know how to upgrade php manually from a tar package? |
| 11:07.01 | simonrvn | that sounds right |
| 11:07.18 | wishie | hmm ok |
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| 11:07.30 | wishie | so i need to change the forward rule to 80 ? |
| 11:07.35 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: yes |
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| 11:07.48 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: you don't need that. /msg dpkg PHP5 |
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| 11:08.24 | wishie | ok, ive done that. after flusing the rules first |
| 11:08.38 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: telnet localhost 81 |
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| 11:08.52 | wishie | connection refused. |
| 11:09.03 | simonrvn | guess what |
| 11:09.09 | revenger1 | hmm how recent are the debian sid packages actually? aren't many of them outdated already? |
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| 11:09.44 | simonrvn | revenger1: only if upstream is dead, or the maintainer is busy |
| 11:09.45 | MobyTurbo | revenger1: what do you mean outdated? Does bit-rot attack any software more than three months old? |
| 11:09.58 | simonrvn | MobyTurbo: i guess ;p |
| 11:10.14 | RolandU | mh..... my system was able to figure out that the gmt-offset changed, but it was not able to change the time..... ok, at least it works. |
| 11:10.16 | revenger1 | (my problem is xfree the version which comes with sid is crappy and doesn't work with my graphic card.. I need the latest xorg version for example) |
| 11:10.40 | wishie | yeah well, xorg will get packaged, one day. |
| 11:10.47 | simonrvn | and what tells you xorg is going to work better? the version number? |
| 11:11.03 | wishie | the same as sarge will be released, one day. |
| 11:11.03 | revenger1 | will get isn't good enough in that case I want to use my laptop not suffer with it.. |
| 11:11.18 | revenger1 | simonrvn: I tested it |
| 11:11.24 | wishie | revenger1: well, go package it, or build it yourself |
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| 11:11.27 | pulu | revenger: there's always ubuntu |
| 11:11.30 | revenger1 | I get full support for my graphiccard |
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| 11:11.39 | revenger1 | ubuntu is outdated .. |
| 11:11.56 | wishie | revenger1: as i said, download the xorg source, and build it |
| 11:11.57 | revenger1 | I have a mixed up version debian/ubuntu now and it's really crap |
| 11:12.00 | simonrvn | install gentoo. then it'll never get stale |
| 11:12.04 | pulu | revenger1: there's always revenger1 linux |
| 11:12.05 | wishie | then it will be as up to date as you make it. |
| 11:12.08 | simonrvn | </sarcasm> |
| 11:12.10 | MobyTurbo | revenger1: ubuntu hoary is bleeding-edge |
| 11:12.32 | wishie | C17H21NO4: still no luck :( |
| 11:12.35 | MobyTurbo | revenger1: mixing repositories between distributions is a Bad Idea. |
| 11:12.42 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: Your forward policy, is set to drop, try changing it to accept |
| 11:12.49 | RolandU | thanks cya, have a happy holiday |
| 11:12.52 | smsmasters | In debian I get Failed to save user : Missing MD5 or Digest::MD5 perl modules |
| 11:12.52 | sussudio | Penix: http://www.pcl-computers.nl/images/21687.jpg < case for you? |
| 11:12.53 | revenger1 | MobyTurbo: that's why I'm looking for an uptodate solution.. |
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| 11:12.59 | simonrvn | set a logging rule see what's going on |
| 11:13.03 | revenger1 | apt-get is fine but not with these old packages |
| 11:13.09 | simonrvn | oh ffs... |
| 11:13.36 | wishie | C17H21NO4: i must admit, i know nothing about iptables. as i said, all i want to do, is simple ip masq (so my internal machines can browse the web etc) and to forward 1 port. i dont know how to change stuff with iptables. |
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| 11:13.50 | Penix | sussudio: haha. I want one |
| 11:14.08 | sussudio | Penix: owners of that case need to compensate for something. |
| 11:14.10 | revenger1 | simonrvn: regarding gentoo debian woody is everything beside stable too |
| 11:14.20 | Penix | hehe |
| 11:14.22 | revenger1 | so there wouldn't be a difference... |
| 11:14.33 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT |
| 11:14.47 | Broseph | does my initrd.splash need to be executable? |
| 11:15.00 | wishie | ok, done. |
| 11:15.05 | wishie | Broseph: no. |
| 11:15.07 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: telnet localhost 81 |
| 11:15.21 | wishie | connection refused. |
| 11:15.31 | pulu | wishie: try it through ppp0, i don't think you'll hit the forward table from the same machine |
| 11:15.38 | simonrvn | smsmasters: so install it and be happy |
| 11:15.49 | wishie | pulu: just did that. didnt work either. |
| 11:15.52 | wishie | connection refused. |
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| 11:16.52 | Broseph | well i did all the things on that site and it didnt work |
| 11:16.52 | pulu | if you do the iptables -t nat -L -v -n are the packet and byte counts still 0? |
| 11:16.56 | wishie | does it make a difference that ppp0 is linked to eth1 ? i mean, this is ADSL, and the modem is connected to the PC via ethernet |
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| 11:17.05 | wishie | but the device with the external ip is ppp0 |
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| 11:19.22 | wishie | this is so annoying, it isnt even funny anymore. |
| 11:19.26 | l1nux | is possible use xorg from ubuntu ? |
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| 11:19.43 | sh0rt | on debian? |
| 11:19.52 | wishie | i wish 'ipmasqadm portfw' worked. that'd make life easier. |
| 11:19.54 | l1nux | yes |
| 11:19.57 | l1nux | sid |
| 11:20.00 | pulu | l1nux: try it and tell us how it goes, unless you're using sid i would say almost definately not |
| 11:20.05 | Broseph | /proc/splash: No such file or directory |
| 11:20.11 | Broseph | :\ |
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| 11:20.23 | wishie | Broseph: you have bootsplash built into the kernel ? |
| 11:20.31 | Broseph | yeah |
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| 11:20.39 | wishie | you put 'splash=silent' in your grub/lilo config ? |
| 11:20.52 | wishie | and initrd.splash is mentioned in there too ? |
| 11:21.41 | Broseph | hmm |
| 11:21.46 | Broseph | not in lilo.conf |
| 11:21.57 | wishie | you using lilo ? |
| 11:22.01 | Broseph | yes |
| 11:22.07 | wishie | then you need append="splash=silent" i think |
| 11:22.20 | wishie | and you also need to add the initrd location in that file aswell |
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| 11:22.48 | wishie | which bootsplash utils are you using ? and the bootsplash patch was from where ? |
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| 11:23.12 | smsmasters | why is debian so hard? |
| 11:23.23 | Broseph | http://www.bootsplash.org/kernel.html the ones listed on that page |
| 11:23.29 | wishie | smsmasters: it'd be no fun if it was easy :P |
| 11:23.43 | wishie | Broseph: what version of debian you using ? sid ? |
| 11:23.52 | Broseph | unstable |
| 11:23.55 | wishie | ok |
| 11:23.55 | Broseph | heh |
| 11:24.02 | Broseph | wait |
| 11:24.04 | Broseph | let me make sure |
| 11:24.04 | wishie | deb http://debian.bootsplash.de unstable main |
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| 11:24.06 | wishie | use that. |
| 11:24.07 | Broseph | i have a few deb boxes |
| 11:24.28 | Broseph | ah no testing |
| 11:24.35 | knite | got any tips for migrating to a larger harddrive with minimal downtime? I was thinking about booting up in single user mode, doing a "cp -a" to copy things to bigger drive... but that leaves my server down for the duration of the copy. |
| 11:24.40 | wishie | bootsplash.de is a great site. |
| 11:24.40 | Broseph | the other box is sid |
| 11:25.28 | smsmasters | what servers do u people run |
| 11:25.37 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 11:25.37 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 11:26.17 | pulu | knite: if you're using lvm you can stop everything, do a snapshot, and then copy it off that, of course losing all the changes while you're copying... you could also copy it while it's running, then go to single user mode and just rsync it, so the downtime is minimal |
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| 11:27.00 | knite | pulu: rsync... that's an idea.. |
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| 11:27.25 | knite | pulu: would some files be locked from copy who? |
| 11:27.37 | knite | s/who/tho/ |
| 11:27.47 | wishie | hmm |
| 11:27.49 | smsmasters | I get this error: sh: make: command not found |
| 11:27.57 | smsmasters | I'm trying to install perl md5 |
| 11:27.58 | wishie | smsmasters: install make ? |
| 11:28.19 | wishie | brb. food. |
| 11:28.19 | Broseph | Package bootsplash is not installed. wtf |
| 11:28.20 | C17H21NO4 | knite: dump|restore works well |
| 11:28.22 | resiak | wishie: Couldn't be that easy. |
| 11:28.30 | resiak | Broseph: Well noticed. Bootsplash is largely a waste of time. |
| 11:28.30 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: apt-get install build-essential |
| 11:28.35 | smsmasters | ok |
| 11:28.38 | knite | Also, would the /dev directory give me problems? how do I deal with that? |
| 11:28.43 | wishie | bootsplash is easy |
| 11:28.54 | Broseph | well that debian.bootsplash site had something that needs it |
| 11:28.55 | wishie | takes all of 2 minutes to setup. |
| 11:29.02 | smsmasters | what is build-essential |
| 11:29.29 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: So does port forwarding ;) |
| 11:29.30 | knite | C17H21NO4: dump.. is that a backup program? |
| 11:29.35 | pulu | knite: probably, your safest bet is to do at least part of it when you're in single user... and there are switchs for both cp and rsync to deal with dev nodes, symlinks, etc |
| 11:29.37 | wishie | add the debian.bootsplash.de line to sources.list and apt-get install bootsplash sysv-rc-bootsplash |
| 11:29.39 | C17H21NO4 | knite: yes |
| 11:29.47 | wishie | C17H21NO4: in theory, yeah. bootsplash i can do at the drop of a hat though. |
| 11:30.01 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: it makes your system ready to compile some C and C++ programs. |
| 11:30.07 | smsmasters | ok, thanks |
| 11:30.15 | smsmasters | would that help me install perl md5 |
| 11:30.23 | wishie | C17H21NO4: so you have no ideas on the port forwarding ? |
| 11:30.24 | pulu | for moving to a larger drive the downtime is gonna be bigger with dump/restore than what we've just talked about, but it's definately easier |
| 11:30.52 | pulu | wishie: do a tcpdump on ppp0 while you try to connect from the remote and see if the packets are actually going in on that interface |
| 11:31.26 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: it couldn't hurt. :-) |
| 11:31.45 | resiak | smsmasters: Digest::MD5 is ... standard |
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| 11:32.12 | resiak | smsmasters: Why on earth are you building your own?# |
| 11:32.29 | rob^ | woah.. creating a debian package is hard work |
| 11:32.35 | smsmasters | Coz in webmin I get an error about perl md5 digest when making passwords for users |
| 11:32.44 | wishie | maybe after ive eaten, i might be able to think more clearly. bbs |
| 11:33.12 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: What pulu said, tcpdump is going to be you friend on this one. |
| 11:33.14 | smsmasters | I still get errors , I can't install it |
| 11:33.21 | smsmasters | fuck it, debian is too hard for me |
| 11:33.48 | resiak | smsmasters: What's the error that you get from Webmin? |
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| 11:34.13 | smsmasters | Failed to save user : Missing MD5 or Digest::MD5 perl modules |
| 11:35.23 | resiak | smsmasters: Run this at a shell: perl -lmDigest::MD5=md5_hex -e 'print md5_hex("Test");' # It will test whether Digest::MD5 is installed |
| 11:35.33 | smsmasters | ok |
| 11:35.44 | rob^ | heh |
| 11:35.48 | knite | should i exclude /proc when copying to larger drive? |
| 11:35.58 | debian | knite: yes |
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| 11:36.16 | pulu | knite: there's a cp and rsync switch for that |
| 11:36.28 | smsmasters | Can't locate Digest/MD5.pm ...... |
| 11:36.40 | knite | for exclusion, you mean? |
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| 11:36.46 | resiak | smsmasters: ...how did you install Debian? |
| 11:37.00 | pulu | knite: to stay on one filesystem |
| 11:37.02 | smsmasters | from a cd |
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| 11:37.07 | resiak | smsmasters: What CD?> |
| 11:37.12 | resiak | smsmasters: And what version of Debian? |
| 11:37.18 | rixth | Not meaning to upset SOME people, but may I where I can find icon sets>? |
| 11:37.25 | smsmasters | v3 |
| 11:37.31 | resiak | smsmasters: Woody? |
| 11:37.47 | MobyTurbo | rixth: "apt-cache search" is your friend |
| 11:37.49 | smsmasters | what is woody |
| 11:38.11 | debian | smsmasters: what's in /etc/debian_version |
| 11:38.12 | C17H21NO4 | smsmasters: Woody=stable=3.0 |
| 11:38.18 | smsmasters | yes, I haev that |
| 11:38.30 | knite | pulu: ahh, ok. so I assume I can just create the dirs /proc and /dev/pts, and expect them to be mounted when I boot into new dirve. cool |
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| 11:38.36 | crackhead | is there a debian kernel that has hyperthreading enabled for a pentium 4? |
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| 11:39.11 | pingouin_ | go root, and try to found the module with modconf |
| 11:39.12 | pingouin_ | no ? |
| 11:39.13 | rixth | MobyTurbo, heh :) |
| 11:39.18 | resiak | smsmasters: I have no idea what you've done, since Digest::MD5 comes as standard, AFAIK. Perhaps the version of Perl in Woody is too aged for Webmin, but I doubt it. |
| 11:39.23 | resiak | crackhead: Get a -smp kernel |
| 11:39.28 | smsmasters | brb, lunch |
| 11:39.29 | MobyTurbo | crackhead: 2.6 SMP kernels I believe support it. |
| 11:39.45 | pulu | any smp kernel will support it, just no optimally |
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| 11:40.22 | knite | pulu: thanks for your tips. I just remembered I will need to remind myself to lilo the new drive so I can actually use it to boot. :) |
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| 11:41.16 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: did you tell when you installed Woody, to use MD5 for your password files? That defaults to off, that could cause problems. |
| 11:41.44 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: also you probably need shadow passwords. |
| 11:41.54 | bebe | can i pull out a harddrive if it is unmount while system is |
| 11:41.56 | pulu | knite: you have to change your lilo.conf to write to the new drive as the secondary but boot as the primary... that part's always too much of a pain in the ass for me so i just switch teh drives and use knoppix to run lilo on it |
| 11:42.00 | knite | .. but isn't lilo dependent on where the boot files are physically located? if I run lilo from the old drive, it's not going to pickup the correct stuff.. hmmm |
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| 11:42.38 | MobyTurbo | bebe: unless your hardware is specifically hot-pluggable I don't think that's a good idea. |
| 11:43.59 | bebe | can i pull out a harddrive if it is unmount while system is |
| 11:44.01 | newtrouble | can any1 help me set the MTU to 500 using pon please?? |
| 11:44.05 | bebe | can i some done power down hard drives |
| 11:44.07 | knite | pulu: I wonder if there's some trick I can do with chroot to change to the new drive, run lilo on it, and have it work right. iirc, the floppy installers did something like that |
| 11:44.19 | punisher | Im using debian. How can I back to the default gnome configuration? I deleted .* of my home dir, but it dont work... |
| 11:44.27 | MobyTurbo | !repeat |
| 11:44.27 | dpkg | i heard repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco), or ask about "smart questions" |
| 11:44.43 | knite | my fear is that on boot up, lilo will panick that /dev/hda is replaces with what used to be /dev/hdb |
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| 11:45.02 | wishie | ok, im back now. |
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| 11:45.11 | pulu | knite: that's what i do with knoppix, but even if you chroot it's not going to change what /dev/hda means to the kernel |
| 11:45.36 | wishie | if i have an empty rule set for iptables, and want to share internet to computers inside my network, how would i go about that? (i want to test if this works) |
| 11:45.44 | knite | pulu: i'm trying to avoid having to install a floppy or cd-rom drive in the machine... |
| 11:46.34 | pulu | knite: you can change the lilo.conf to write the sector to the old drive, get the map and such from the old drive, but have the root set to what it will be when you make it the primary drive |
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| 11:46.50 | pulu | you just have to change it back when you've booted |
| 11:47.16 | pulu | errr, sorry, old should be new |
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| 11:47.28 | knite | ya.. it'll be an interesting experiment.. |
| 11:48.20 | pulu | i've done it before, exact situation as you're talking about, but it was a redhat 6 system a long time ago... it's just faster for me to use knoppix to do the whole thing, but if you've got no cd, that's a problem |
| 11:48.34 | wishie | what are the minimal iptables commands i need to run to get masq working ? |
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| 11:49.40 | pulu | -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 65.77.72.3 -p udp -m udp --dport 4569 -j DNAT --to-destination 192.168.128.8:4569 |
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| 11:49.48 | pulu | that's what i use to forward stuff for asterisk and it works fine |
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| 11:51.13 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 11:51.26 | haa74 | anyone here worked with shared memory / shmget / etc ... ? |
| 11:51.33 | DebUser | What's it mean to "bind" an application to a port? |
| 11:51.34 | wishie | so that will get a pc to share its net connection ? |
| 11:51.35 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 11:52.26 | C17H21NO4 | DebUser: The application will listen on that port for incoming connections |
| 11:53.34 | wishie | C17H21NO4: well, i ran those, and the internet isnt shared to my internal computers. strange eh ? |
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| 11:54.33 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: Is iptable_nat loaded? |
| 11:54.44 | wishie | yes. |
| 11:55.02 | DebUser | C17H21NO4, on that port only? |
| 11:55.19 | C17H21NO4 | Are your other machines using this one as the default gw? |
| 11:55.26 | C17H21NO4 | DebUser: yes |
| 11:55.34 | wishie | C17H21NO4: yes. |
| 11:55.37 | DebUser | Okay, so it's for security. Thanks C17H21NO4 |
| 11:55.56 | C17H21NO4 | DebUser: No, just the way tcp sockets work |
| 11:56.00 | DebUser | C17H21NO4, just out of curiosity, what compound are you? |
| 11:56.13 | C17H21NO4 | DebUser: cocaine |
| 11:56.17 | DebUser | haha |
| 11:56.28 | XELON | guys, I'm searching for hours on google. But I can't find. How can i install gnome and enlightenment? I installed gnome-core and enlightenment packages. but just enlightenment working. what can i do? |
| 11:56.29 | DebUser | Will have to remember that one ;P |
| 11:56.35 | smsmasters | I have devian 3 r9 |
| 11:56.37 | smsmasters | is that woody? |
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| 11:56.50 | wishie | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:56.55 | wishie | heh, nah |
| 11:57.13 | wishie | that wont give you anything useful :) |
| 11:57.23 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: there is no 3.0r9, you mean r4? |
| 11:57.27 | rob^ | anyone know where I can get gtk-config? |
| 11:57.29 | C17H21NO4 | XELON: check ~/.xinitrc and ~/.xserverrc |
| 11:57.40 | wishie | rob^: search for it on packages.debian.org |
| 11:57.41 | vipe | is thre somewhere a channel with blootbot support? :) |
| 11:57.44 | wishie | its your friend. |
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| 11:57.50 | streuner | rob^: try libgtk*.-dev package |
| 11:58.04 | XELON | C17H21NO4: what should i do in /.xinitrc and /.xserevrrc |
| 11:58.08 | XELON | ? |
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| 11:58.19 | wishie | C17H21NO4: so yeah, for some strange reason, that doesnt share my internet connection..great isnt it. |
| 11:58.21 | sh0rt | XELON: you have woody |
| 11:58.29 | XELON | r4 |
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| 11:58.44 | XELON | sh0rt: r4 |
| 11:58.51 | rob^ | cool, I'll give it a shot |
| 11:59.01 | XELON | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 11:59.07 | MobyTurbo | XELON: r4 is still Woody, just with more security patches in main |
| 11:59.08 | XELON | :) |
| 11:59.10 | C17H21NO4 | XELON: they are launching enlightenment. I just deleted them |
| 11:59.40 | XELON | C17H21NO4: well, how can i work them together? |
| 11:59.52 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: can you ping the gateway from the clients? |
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| 12:00.03 | majki | Hi, anybody has problem with 2.6.11/2.6.11.6 ? This kernels don't use on my machines SWAP (only RAM) .. |
| 12:00.12 | streuner | !gtk-config |
| 12:00.12 | dpkg | [gtk-config] in libgtk1.2-dev |
| 12:00.19 | smsmasters | yes, i mean r4 |
| 12:00.24 | smsmasters | is debian r4 woody? |
| 12:00.30 | smsmasters | Im thinking of reinstalling it again |
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| 12:00.38 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: yes |
| 12:00.42 | CyL | Happy easter fellows! |
| 12:00.50 | wishie_ | yes, i can ping the gateway (192.168.0.1) from the clients |
| 12:00.52 | smsmasters | is there any newer version |
| 12:00.53 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: all incarnations of 3.0 are woody |
| 12:00.55 | CAiRO | is it possible to get some kind of acceleration for the mouse wheel when scrolling? |
| 12:01.03 | bebe | can i power down a hard drive so i can remove a harddrive while the sytem is running |
| 12:01.04 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: no |
| 12:01.19 | smsmasters | ok |
| 12:01.22 | rob^ | cheers streuner |
| 12:01.22 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: can you ping the external interface from the clients |
| 12:01.32 | smsmasters | How do u get wireless working? |
| 12:01.42 | Guest43537 | i'm always experiencing CRC errors on packed files, when transferring from one HD (on a master-slave UDMA cable) to another HD (IDE port 2), when i remove one HD from that cable.. i receive no CRC errors.. |
| 12:01.45 | pulu | bebe: you can do it with hdparm but you really don't want to do it with an ide drive |
| 12:01.47 | MobyTurbo | !y |
| 12:01.47 | dpkg | methinks y is http://www.y-windows.org/, or it's "why", not y. w h y. see u, any1. NOT a substitute for I. If you mean yourself in the first person use 'I' and not 'y'. |
| 12:01.54 | XELON | C17H21NO4: I don't have .xinitrc on ~ |
| 12:02.00 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 12:02.00 | MobyTurbo | oops |
| 12:02.01 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:02.09 | sh0rt | smsmasters: how long is a piece of string |
| 12:02.26 | C17H21NO4 | XELON: did you have .xserverrc? |
| 12:02.38 | XELON | not on ~ |
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| 12:03.09 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: I think Woody's 2.4 kernel supports some wireless chipsets. (prism I think it is) |
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| 12:03.20 | wishie_ | damn connection |
| 12:03.33 | XELON | C17H21NO4: I dont have .xserverrc too on ~ |
| 12:03.39 | wishie_ | anyway, the interesting bit is, if i apt-get install ipmasq, and start it, it works. except port forwarding |
| 12:03.44 | metaperl | is there a nice integrated GUI sysadmin tool for Debian Sarge like DirectAdmin? Webmin is a bit too loosely couple in my opinion |
| 12:03.55 | wishie_ | but thus far, i cant seem to get masquerading working, apart from that ipmasq package.. |
| 12:04.02 | bebe | pulu bugger i bought some caddys so i could do it. |
| 12:04.03 | wishie_ | so what is it doing that is to special |
| 12:04.08 | C17H21NO4 | XELON: you can create .xinitrc and add gnome-session to it. |
| 12:04.10 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: I'm running sarge so I can't check to make sure. (This isn't a server so I'm less worried about the consequences of running beta software.) |
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| 12:04.33 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: I don't know, compare rules with and without. |
| 12:04.39 | XELON | C17H21NO4: when i do that, enlighhenment and gnome work together? |
| 12:04.44 | wishie | it creates _lots_ of rules |
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| 12:05.24 | C17H21NO4 | XELON: No, you will need a dm to enable easy switching, gdm/xdm |
| 12:05.24 | bebe | pulu: what flag would i use standby or sleep? |
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| 12:05.44 | wishie | iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 12:05.44 | wishie | echo "1" >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 12:05.51 | wishie | that should work, correct ? |
| 12:05.54 | rob^ | !libIDL |
| 12:06.04 | pulu | bebe: sleep |
| 12:06.06 | revenger1 | does anyone know how to enable coredumps for apache childs? |
| 12:06.07 | C17H21NO4 | wishie: It should. |
| 12:06.14 | rob^ | !libIDL-config |
| 12:06.39 | XELON | C17H21NO4: xdm is already installed.but on enlightenment website, they say you can install enlightenment work oýn gnome or kde!!! |
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| 12:06.58 | XELON | C17H21NO4: xdm is already installed.but on enlightenment website, they say you can install enlightenment work oýn gnome or kde |
| 12:07.04 | rob^ | !orbit-dev |
| 12:07.06 | MobyTurbo | @lart XELON |
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| 12:07.22 | wishie | ARGH! |
| 12:07.28 | XELON | why my messages seen like this? |
| 12:07.41 | XELON | C17H21NO4: they say you can install enlightenment work oýn gnome or kde |
| 12:07.42 | bebe | pulu: why you recommend not doing it? |
| 12:07.47 | pulu | bebe: i've used "hot swap" ide caddies before (openbsd, not debian) and whenever you plugged in a different drive it always locked that ide channel... |
| 12:07.50 | XELON | n gnome or kde |
| 12:07.51 | gilles | is there one command in gedit that allow to delete the current line ? |
| 12:07.53 | MobyTurbo | XELON: xdm is a display manager, not a desktop environment |
| 12:08.20 | XELON | MobyTurbo: i'm searching how can i install enlightenment work on kde or gnome |
| 12:08.33 | XELON | for hours and hours :) |
| 12:08.35 | pulu | also 2.4 isn't so friendly with changing partition information after it's started... note how you have to usually reboot with 2.4 when you run (c)fdisk, even if nothing's mounted |
| 12:09.18 | MobyTurbo | XELON: I don't know, I don't use enlightenment |
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| 12:09.20 | smsmasters | a piece of string is as long as my penis |
| 12:09.25 | bebe | pulu: ok ta ill have a play |
| 12:09.29 | smsmasters | that's ur answer |
| 12:09.31 | XELON | MobyTurbo: thax |
| 12:09.44 | pulu | smsmasters: must be interesting when you're flying a kite |
| 12:09.46 | rob^ | smsmasters, so you dont know? |
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| 12:10.00 | MobyTurbo | !ur |
| 12:10.00 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
| 12:10.09 | smsmasters | I want to use a wireless card in my laptop |
| 12:10.14 | smsmasters | Linspire worked with it |
| 12:10.36 | sh0rt | smsmasters: then its just a matter of finding the driver |
| 12:10.38 | rob^ | !lXt |
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| 12:11.38 | smsmasters | how do I install the driver though |
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| 12:12.19 | rob^ | smsmasters, when you find it read the docs |
| 12:12.36 | rob^ | it will probably be a kernel module or something |
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| 12:12.40 | smsmasters | ok |
| 12:12.49 | smsmasters | Is Debian the easiest linux? |
| 12:12.53 | sh0rt | no |
| 12:12.58 | rob^ | hell no |
| 12:13.01 | smsmasters | What is the easiest to run as a server? |
| 12:13.03 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: depends on your definition of easy |
| 12:13.03 | rob^ | linspire? |
| 12:13.11 | rob^ | no.. dont run linspire as a server |
| 12:13.11 | rob^ | ! |
| 12:13.14 | smsmasters | why not? |
| 12:13.33 | rob^ | well, it defaults to root for one thing when you turn it on |
| 12:13.33 | sh0rt | maybe fedora |
| 12:13.33 | smsmasters | Ok, can someone please tell me the best linux os to run apache, mysql, php and is easiest? |
| 12:13.39 | St0n3-C0l | smsmasters: Its easy to use but not to install ;) |
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| 12:13.46 | rob^ | red hat? |
| 12:13.52 | smsmasters | that is EOL |
| 12:14.00 | pulu | smsmasters: suse or redhat are pretty "easy" to run a server with, considering everything's already running and installed and you don't care to customize it much |
| 12:14.07 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: other Linux's offer GUI configurators, but when something goes wrong you're up shit creek without a paddle. Debian has a lot of features that make it easy to administer without taking away functionality or being buggy. |
| 12:14.08 | St0n3-C0l | I think RPM-based are real best |
| 12:14.22 | St0n3-C0l | for easy installations |
| 12:14.22 | rob^ | pfft |
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| 12:14.33 | St0n3-C0l | Get SuSE OR Fedora |
| 12:14.35 | MobyTurbo | RPMs suck |
| 12:14.41 | SuperSox | smsmasters: the question you asked its open to pure opinion, the best way to find an answer is to try out several distributions and settle on one of YOUR chosing |
| 12:14.48 | smsmasters | Does SusE and Fedora have apache, mysql, php built in? |
| 12:14.55 | rob^ | probably |
| 12:14.56 | St0n3-C0l | I know it does but he wants Easy Installations :) |
| 12:15.00 | nagual | well put MobyTurbo |
| 12:15.07 | nagual | (about the paddle) |
| 12:15.19 | smsmasters | Ok, I need a straight answer, I'm about to download an iso and install it |
| 12:15.24 | St0n3-C0l | Fedora have but don't really know bout SuSE |
| 12:15.26 | pulu | smsmasters: as an added plus if you get the real versions of each you can talk to people who are paid to help you vs. poor saps like us in IRC |
| 12:15.31 | St0n3-C0l | SuSE is not free it costs |
| 12:15.41 | smsmasters | Fedora? |
| 12:15.41 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: Fedora is not a good idea for a server, too bleeding-edge. Get a RHEL clone if you want a Red Hat server. (That is, if you're insane enough to *want* Red Hat.) |
| 12:15.56 | sh0rt | heh |
| 12:15.57 | SuperSox | smsmasters: tbh, for me to install php mysql and apache, I can pretty much just apt-get phpmyadmin and it'll grab everything else I need for it (apache, php, mysql ;)) |
| 12:16.03 | smsmasters | I'll stick with debian them |
| 12:16.07 | smsmasters | then* |
| 12:16.25 | MobyTurbo | St0n3-C0l: he's already got Debian installed succesfuly, so ease of installation alone is not an issue. |
| 12:16.25 | St0n3-C0l | SuperSox: whats tbh :> |
| 12:16.27 | bebe | pulu you think it is safe? |
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| 12:16.38 | SuperSox | St0n3-C0l: tbh = to be honest |
| 12:16.40 | metaperl | I just got my own linux-vserver and am running Debian Sarge, but the DirectAdmin panel only works under Fedora and REdhat... and I am finding Webmin tough-going |
| 12:16.56 | pulu | bebe: don't ask me, i told you what happened in openbsd, at least it didn't break anything a restart wouldn't fix |
| 12:17.08 | SuperSox | metaperl: is there a question following that statement? |
| 12:17.08 | St0n3-C0l | MobyTurbo: he didn't said that before :) |
| 12:17.12 | bebe | pulu ok ta man |
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| 12:17.29 | metaperl | yes, is there an easy way to administrate a virtual hosting system with Debian? |
| 12:17.38 | bebe | pulu i just switch drives and ut mounted fine :D |
| 12:17.38 | bebe | pulu thanks fo rthe helpo |
| 12:17.43 | SuperSox | metaperl: pass :D |
| 12:17.44 | soulfly | what is the release date for sarge? |
| 12:17.47 | MobyTurbo | St0n3-C0l: he mentioned a lot of things that lead me to believe he's installed it already. |
| 12:17.52 | pulu | bebe: oh, nice |
| 12:17.55 | St0n3-C0l | I was using Sarge and moved to Ubuntu this week now planning to get back on Sarge or Sid |
| 12:17.57 | MobyTurbo | soulfly: /topic |
| 12:17.58 | wishie | release date ? |
| 12:17.58 | wishie | heh |
| 12:18.01 | pulu | soulfly: not tomorrow |
| 12:18.01 | St0n3-C0l | where to get Sid images ? |
| 12:18.08 | wishie | 2010 :P |
| 12:18.17 | rob^ | www.debian.org |
| 12:18.23 | St0n3-C0l | wishie: LOL are u sure :P |
| 12:18.30 | St0n3-C0l | maybe 2015 |
| 12:18.32 | wishie | if we're lucky |
| 12:18.32 | MobyTurbo | St0n3-C0l: dist-upgrade to sid, there are no sid images. |
| 12:18.35 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 12:18.42 | St0n3-C0l | rob^: Me ? |
| 12:18.47 | wishie | ive got a magazine here, with a linux shootout in it |
| 12:18.47 | St0n3-C0l | ohh.. |
| 12:18.48 | bebe | soulfly: Sarge Base+Standard frozen |
| 12:18.49 | soulfly | pulu: is that a recursive date? |
| 12:18.53 | wishie | debian looks SO OLD in it |
| 12:18.54 | St0n3-C0l | this means i'll have to stick with Sarge |
| 12:18.57 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 12:18.57 | St0n3-C0l | np |
| 12:18.57 | St0n3-C0l | :> |
| 12:18.58 | MobyTurbo | St0n3-C0l: sid never will be released, it's always the name of the unstable branch. |
| 12:19.02 | St0n3-C0l | ehe |
| 12:19.05 | wishie | every other distro had KDE 3.x, and debian was still 2.2 |
| 12:19.12 | bebe | wishie: thats because people aint using it right |
| 12:19.14 | pulu | soulfly: i sure hope not, but it feels like it sometimes |
| 12:19.23 | MobyTurbo | !tell St0n3-C0l about enter |
| 12:19.29 | St0n3-C0l | wishie: If you're using Debian stable |
| 12:19.32 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 12:19.37 | wishie | it just doesnt look pretty at all hey. if someone was choosing a distro from reading that book, no-one would choose debian |
| 12:19.43 | SuperSox | wishie: you could install KDE 3.x if you really wanted to :P |
| 12:19.45 | St0n3-C0l | Debian Sarge inclues kde 3.3.1 |
| 12:19.46 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 12:19.55 | wishie | yeah, i know, i run sid |
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| 12:20.06 | wishie | but the point is, the magazine was comparing stable distros |
| 12:20.07 | pulu | i don't know why people use debian for desktop stuff |
| 12:20.16 | St0n3-C0l | MobyTurbo: so good of u :P |
| 12:20.17 | wishie | and debian stable is so fucking old its not funny |
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| 12:20.24 | soulfly | bebe: i know. but does it look like when hamm or potato freezed (if I'm able to remember) |
| 12:20.24 | MobyTurbo | !u |
| 12:20.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 12:20.42 | rob^ | pulu, what are you on about? |
| 12:20.52 | wishie | basically, if i was wanting to get into linux, and had read that magazine, there is NO WAY i would choose debian |
| 12:20.53 | SuperSox | pulu: I use debian for desktop stuff, it's nice, granted I do have a couple of non-debian lines in my apt source list :) |
| 12:20.56 | MobyTurbo | :-) |
| 12:21.07 | rob^ | SuperSox, pulu same |
| 12:21.09 | wishie | 2.2 kernel, where all the other distros had 2.6 |
| 12:21.22 | St0n3-C0l | MobyTurbo: haha |
| 12:21.31 | rob^ | SuperSox, I dont.. running sid |
| 12:21.33 | MobyTurbo | wishie: Woody has 2.4 available |
| 12:21.33 | St0n3-C0l | grow up :P |
| 12:21.48 | MobyTurbo | !botabuse |
| 12:21.48 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 12:21.51 | SuperSox | rob^: I might have a look at sid... but I'm scared ;) |
| 12:21.51 | wishie | MobyTurbo: available yes. but default install kernel is 2.2 |
| 12:22.05 | llama32 | rofl |
| 12:22.14 | rob^ | SuperSox, nothing to be scared about.. pretty stable really |
| 12:22.18 | MobyTurbo | wishie: who cares, just type bf2.4 and stop whining. :-) |
| 12:22.29 | wishie | hey, dont get me wrong, i love debian. im just pointing out, that in this shootout, debian didnt stand out as a nice distro |
| 12:22.43 | St0n3-C0l | Debian wants to be much more Stable than any other thats why they're using their default kernel 2.2 :P |
| 12:22.44 | SuperSox | rob^: well, I'm using sarge, the only un-official repositories I use are for XFCE |
| 12:23.01 | MobyTurbo | wishie: if they are comparing desktops it would be fairer to compare Sarge with the others. |
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| 12:23.04 | wishie | i know the reasons behind debian being behind, etc etc |
| 12:23.18 | St0n3-C0l | SuperSox: LOL and I'll gonna for Gnome :P |
| 12:23.22 | rob^ | SuperSox, sid has xfce 4 |
| 12:23.23 | MobyTurbo | wishie: Sarge has 2.6 kernel, 3.3 KDE, etc. etc. |
| 12:23.23 | MobyTurbo | wishie: and Sarge has better fonts than most other distros. |
| 12:23.34 | wishie | as i said, im not bagging debian, i personally love it. but this review as such, made it look ancient, and shit, compared to *cringe* redhat even |
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| 12:23.39 | SuperSox | rob^: then it might be time for a dist-upgrade ;) |
| 12:23.47 | rapi | hello everybody |
| 12:23.53 | wishie | MobyTurbo: thats great. i use sid. |
| 12:24.01 | MobyTurbo | wishie: well, the review wasn't fair, was it. |
| 12:24.05 | rob^ | 4.0.5-1 to be exact |
| 12:24.06 | wishie | yes, it was. |
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| 12:24.09 | llama32 | hi rapi |
| 12:24.18 | SuperSox | rob^: ah, I think im using 4.2 |
| 12:24.18 | wishie | because it compared the latest official stable releases |
| 12:24.22 | wishie | which to date, is woody. |
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| 12:24.50 | smsmasters | hmm, I will see how I go with Debian |
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| 12:24.50 | rob^ | yeah |
| 12:24.57 | smsmasters | Debian is great I think |
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| 12:25.05 | paulswm | wishie: How did it compare, though. Did it stress test the releases, attempt exploits, etc. Or was it just how cute the desktop was |
| 12:25.06 | MobyTurbo | wishie: artificial criteria can make any review biased. |
| 12:25.10 | smsmasters | It runs faster than xp I used to run |
| 12:25.15 | St0n3-C0l | SuperSox: How much MBs required to upgrade from Sarge to Sid and can I use Synaptic ? |
| 12:25.31 | SuperSox | St0n3-C0l: I don't know, I've never done it ;) |
| 12:25.32 | wishie | ill fetch the magazine, gimme a sex. |
| 12:25.33 | St0n3-C0l | smsmaster: like Formula One :P |
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| 12:25.35 | wishie | sec too.. |
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| 12:25.47 | paulswm | wishie: wishful thinking, buddy |
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| 12:25.55 | llama32 | im writing an apt-get clone/replacement... any suggestions of features or anything? |
| 12:25.58 | St0n3-C0l | oh wishie uses it |
| 12:26.05 | SuperSox | St0n3-C0l: also that would depend on what what packages you already have installed surely? |
| 12:26.07 | rob^ | St0n3-C0l, depends on what you have installed, yes you can use synaptic |
| 12:26.08 | St0n3-C0l | :P |
| 12:26.08 | St0n3-C0l | wishie u temme :> |
| 12:26.14 | pulu | and whoever asked, sid cd images are at ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ |
| 12:26.19 | Dull404 | ....... is dctc / dcgui any good?? dcgui-qt seems to have some major bugs |
| 12:26.34 | rob^ | St0n3-C0l, or you could just add the sid lines to your sources.list and to a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:26.58 | wishie | bbs, shop, then ill read out what the reviews/comparison was based on. |
| 12:27.01 | wishie | i need smokes. |
| 12:27.32 | St0n3-C0l | rob^: I had unstable sources too |
| 12:27.33 | sh0rt | wishie: i know it was a linux shootout, but imagine they showed the latest STABLE release of windows |
| 12:27.47 | St0n3-C0l | was using Sarge above 2months just removed this week :P |
| 12:27.50 | llama32 | rofl |
| 12:27.51 | SuperSox | sh0rt: they'd have a hard time |
| 12:27.57 | sh0rt | heh |
| 12:28.01 | SuperSox | I have to use windows today yay |
| 12:28.13 | SuperSox | its great, I fire it up and its got nothing I want |
| 12:28.25 | Pocker | when boot from cd (installing debian woody), the program ask me for configuring the network, and after that, the message "The network has been successfully configured using DHCP/BOOTP" appears . how i can repeat that step in text mode? it's possible? |
| 12:28.37 | SuperSox | To be honest though, I quite like the start bar and the desktop (to an extent) |
| 12:28.55 | sh0rt | rob^: thought you gat 0.9.deb? |
| 12:28.57 | SuperSox | I'm talking 2K not XP |
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| 12:29.09 | rob^ | sh0rt, yes, but it doesnt work |
| 12:29.43 | SuperSox | XP's start bar is GUI-homicide (GUIcide?) |
| 12:29.49 | MobyTurbo | SuperSox: GNOME and KDE, among others, can have start bars |
| 12:30.07 | sh0rt | rob^: I cant remember what version it was, but I ran the ubuntu one and worked without any probs. To lazy to fsck around with the compile |
| 12:30.16 | rob^ | hmm |
| 12:30.17 | SuperSox | MobyTurbo: my XFCE setup has a 'startbar' I'm just saying Microsoft did acctually get it right there, in my humble opinion :) |
| 12:30.20 | rob^ | I wonder what one it is |
| 12:30.21 | SuperSox | MobyTurbo: I kinda have both |
| 12:30.52 | rob^ | sh0rt, its a learning experence too |
| 12:31.10 | MobyTurbo | SuperSox: a start bar makes you have to move your mouse around a lot for starting any program. |
| 12:31.11 | sh0rt | so is html coding :) |
| 12:31.17 | rob^ | done that |
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| 12:31.26 | sh0rt | why then ? |
| 12:31.32 | SuperSox | infact, using microsoft terms, I have a start bar, a set of quick launch icons, a task bar and a system tray |
| 12:31.45 | SuperSox | MobyTurbo: thats why I prefer the best of both worlds, I can click on my desktop too ;) |
| 12:31.48 | llama32 | SuperSox: define startbar... as in the start menu? i think os/2 might of had it first, but im not sure (might of been microsoft's creation anyway) |
| 12:32.10 | MobyTurbo | SuperSox: yeah, I think XFCE 4 is decent |
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| 12:32.27 | Broseph | mkay /proc/splash: No such file or directory :\ |
| 12:32.28 | SuperSox | llama32: Apple had similar stuff, but generally the way the bar at the bottom of the screen in Windows95+ has worked quite well |
| 12:32.35 | llama32 | xfce4 rules, when ur on a computer that wont run kde very good, that is :) |
| 12:32.38 | St0n3-C0l | Yeah very sweet :P |
| 12:32.44 | smsmasters | Windows XP is the best os |
| 12:32.44 | Pocker | a little help here: when boot from cd (installing debian woody), the program ask me for configuring the network, and after that, the message "The network has been successfully configured using DHCP/BOOTP" appears . how i can repeat that step in text mode? it's possible? |
| 12:32.52 | St0n3-C0l | I used XFCE 3 and there was only gFTP in the Gnome menu haha |
| 12:32.56 | smsmasters | But it's crap for a server |
| 12:33.02 | MobyTurbo | !tell llama32 about ur |
| 12:33.12 | SuperSox | If I had a system that wouldn't run XFCE4 so well I think I'd probably use IceWM |
| 12:33.18 | SuperSox | smsmasters: I disagree 100% :) |
| 12:33.26 | St0n3-C0l | smsmaster: There are 713 peeps who are against Windows :P so beware |
| 12:33.41 | smsmasters | ok lol |
| 12:33.46 | SuperSox | I'm not against windows... I'd just rather not use it |
| 12:33.52 | smsmasters | I like Debian though |
| 12:33.56 | smsmasters | Each OS has it's own purpose |
| 12:34.04 | rob^ | smsmasters Windows XP is the best os <--- troll |
| 12:34.04 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: I think maybe you should change your nick to C17H21NO4, you're smoking crack if you think XP is the best OS. |
| 12:34.15 | smsmasters | Why? |
| 12:34.23 | smsmasters | What is better in Linux? |
| 12:34.24 | llama32 | 1) it isnt |
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| 12:34.25 | sh0rt | Pocker: ifup eth0 dhcp |
| 12:34.31 | St0n3-C0l | If anybody knows please help Pocker |
| 12:34.45 | pingouin_ | according you're statement smsmasters, i wonder what would be the purpose of windows... ;) |
| 12:35.02 | smsmasters | I use windows everyday, gaming, internet, video encoding, music etc |
| 12:35.05 | rob^ | umm you just said "XP is the best OS" in a fucking DEBIAN irc channel |
| 12:35.11 | St0n3-C0l | !tell MobyTurbo about ur |
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| 12:35.13 | Broseph | so who has actually got the bootsplash to work? |
| 12:35.14 | smsmasters | lol |
| 12:35.20 | smsmasters | well I like debian on my laptop |
| 12:35.24 | St0n3-C0l | ehe just trying :> |
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| 12:35.25 | smsmasters | I use it as a server |
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| 12:35.34 | smsmasters | It's really great, I'm learning new stuff daily |
| 12:35.38 | SuperSox | smsmasters: XP is rubish for internet access :) |
| 12:35.46 | smsmasters | lol |
| 12:35.47 | MobyTurbo | !tell St0n3-C0l about botabuse |
| 12:35.47 | rob^ | good for you |
| 12:35.51 | SuperSox | smsmasters: By default (read by default) its like swiss cheese |
| 12:35.59 | colde89 | where is debian.de ? |
| 12:36.11 | St0n3-C0l | MobyTurbo why you have to put your head in everyone's matter :P |
| 12:36.15 | SuperSox | smsmasters: for gaming however, yes, windows is probably the best platform |
| 12:36.35 | smsmasters | and for compatibility with hardware/software etc |
| 12:36.38 | SuperSox | smsmasters: then again, I own an xbox and a game cube for gaming so my windows gaming system doesn't get useed that much |
| 12:36.39 | rob^ | nah xbox |
| 12:36.40 | smsmasters | It's the best in that respect |
| 12:36.42 | SuperSox | smsmasters: rubbish :) |
| 12:36.53 | rob^ | then you an keep ms off your pc |
| 12:37.01 | SuperSox | smsmasters: Windows XP has no option of legacy hardware support. |
| 12:37.11 | smsmasters | What is legacy hardware support |
| 12:37.15 | Broseph | lol |
| 12:37.16 | pingouin_ | SuperSox: i disagree, not the «best» but the editor's choise for money mater |
| 12:38.47 | SuperSox | smsmasters: old hardware :) |
| 12:38.47 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: I like roguelikes so I find Linux to be a good platform for running games. :-) |
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| 12:38.47 | smsmasters | I don't use old hardware lol |
| 12:38.47 | SuperSox | pingouin_: disagree to what sorry? |
| 12:38.47 | SuperSox | smsmasters: you should, its cheaper :) |
| 12:38.48 | smsmasters | lol |
| 12:38.48 | llama32 | smsmasters: my onboard sound (on a modernish mobo) works with linux but not XP, and xp wont read my old win98 fat32 HD, but linux reads and writes it fine... |
| 12:38.48 | SuperSox | smsmasters: flip side, XP won't support my AMD64 but various linux distros will |
| 12:38.48 | pulu | what version of debian will run on my 486sx/25 w/8mb? |
| 12:38.48 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: compare the Windows commandline with what Linux can do with the command line. There's no contest. |
| 12:38.48 | smsmasters | Is there any way to set a perm. ip address for my server in debian? |
| 12:38.48 | SuperSox | MobyTurbo: you can't really compare command line, you have a choice, bash isn't the only answer ;) |
| 12:38.48 | pulu | oh and a 200mb hd |
| 12:38.48 | smsmasters | XP is good for people who don't know command line, people who like point and click |
| 12:38.48 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: note how many *good* free programs are available for Linux, whereas in Windows you pay $30 here and $30 there. |
| 12:38.48 | sh0rt | smsmasters: man ifconig |
| 12:38.48 | smsmasters | I just use warez lol |
| 12:39.00 | sh0rt | with an f |
| 12:39.06 | smsmasters | do I type man ifconfig in command? |
| 12:39.13 | smsmasters | what's the command again |
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| 12:39.43 | Broseph | no one with bootsplash working? |
| 12:39.51 | pulu | smsmasters: /join #warez |
| 12:39.56 | MobyTurbo | pulu: XFree86 won't run with 8MB. |
| 12:39.58 | SuperSox | back to the internet thing too, technically x86 hardware is rubbish for networking, readup on big and little endian :) |
| 12:39.59 | St0n3-C0l | smsmasters: Good :P |
| 12:40.06 | Dull404 | smsmasters, hey kiddo if you like point and click... you should be in kindergaarten or try Mepis |
| 12:40.11 | SuperSox | Broseph: nope not me |
| 12:40.14 | llama32 | pulu: an _old_ version? |
| 12:40.17 | jou_ | Hi all, is possible to emulate a keybboard pulsation? for example to go Ctrl + Alt + fn ? |
| 12:40.18 | MobyTurbo | pulu: but Debian doesn't need XFree86 installed |
| 12:40.19 | sh0rt | Broseph: just go the bootlogo, way easier |
| 12:40.20 | Dull404 | mepis is cool though |
| 12:40.23 | jethro | !nickometer St0n3-C0l |
| 12:40.24 | dpkg | 'St0n3-C0l' is 99.9126% lame, jethro |
| 12:40.24 | St0n3-C0l | always use firefox bcoz they contain too much ads and pr0n :P |
| 12:40.33 | Broseph | tried that |
| 12:40.42 | pulu | !nickometer pulu |
| 12:40.42 | rob^ | hahaha jethro |
| 12:40.44 | SuperSox | !nickometer SuperSox |
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| 12:40.53 | smsmasters | what's the command to set a perm ip for my network card in debian |
| 12:40.57 | SuperSox | always wanted to do this, because I think my nick is lame :) |
| 12:41.03 | l1nux | http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=1194&cid=13578 |
| 12:41.03 | ftugrul | hi, my cd-rom drive shows only one file with name of "????????", disc (cdrw) reads ok on my cd writer, what must i do to fix it please? |
| 12:41.04 | jethro | smsmasters: man interfaces |
| 12:41.05 | Broseph | sh0rt is there a way to set my own logo? that might be a tolerable option |
| 12:41.08 | pulu | smsmasters: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 12:41.15 | SuperSox | apparently its 0% lamehowever |
| 12:41.15 | smsmasters | ok thanks |
| 12:41.20 | MobyTurbo | pulu: maybe you should try something that uses libc5, Slackware 3.x is a possibility, I don't know of the equivalent Debian versions. (But apt-get won't work on stuff older than potato.) |
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| 12:41.39 | sh0rt | Broseph: whats wrong with tux |
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| 12:42.01 | smsmasters | what's the best control panel? |
| 12:42.02 | SuperSox | I want a full screen tux with a progress bar! but I can't get it to work right now :) |
| 12:42.04 | smsmasters | and ftp server |
| 12:42.06 | chihchun | Is there any method that I can mirror the cvs.debian.org ? (I would like to mirror webwml directory for translation team) |
| 12:42.13 | pulu | MobyTurbo: it's okay, i'll run uclinux on it if i ever have the time... just checking out that "legacy hardware support" people have been talking about... heheheh |
| 12:42.17 | Broseph | well 1) its not what i wanted to start with 2) its not what i wanted to start with lol |
| 12:42.18 | MobyTurbo | smsmasters: /bin/bash |
| 12:42.29 | chihchun | I want to use cvsup, but there is not a cvsup.d.o |
| 12:42.31 | wishie | ok, some of the things this review is on, with the linux distros |
| 12:42.34 | smsmasters | what is /bin/bash |
| 12:42.37 | SuperSox | /bin/sh ! ;) |
| 12:42.43 | MobyTurbo | pulu: I ran kernel 0.95 on a 386sx-16 with 4 megs of RAM, when it was *new*. |
| 12:43.10 | SuperSox | bbl |
| 12:43.16 | MobyTurbo | pulu: if that isn't legacy support I don't know what is. :-) |
| 12:43.23 | llama32 | smsmasters: linux is also A LOT better than xp at reading scratched cds, last time i tried it on xp i had to reboot cus it wouldnt stop saying "please insert disk ..." and whenever i put it back on, my cpu and ram usage climbed and all i could do was *just* move the mouse, then i try it in linux and it read it fine - i tried opening a few files and stuff... |
| 12:43.32 | St0n3-C0l | !nickometer jethro |
| 12:43.37 | sdogi | fuck you llama32 |
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| 12:43.53 | llama32 | sdogi: any perticular reason? |
| 12:43.56 | rob^ | ? |
| 12:43.58 | llama32 | :| |
| 12:44.01 | rob^ | uncalled for |
| 12:44.05 | pulu | hahaha |
| 12:44.07 | pulu | i love irc |
| 12:44.09 | llama32 | i often have that effect on ppl |
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| 12:44.35 | wishie | kernel version(2.2.20), system setup style(text),windows driver partitioning(no), Desktop(Gnome 1.4, KDE 2.2), Major Web Apps(Mozilla 1.0.0 (no firefox)),Web Server (Apache 1.3.26), Xfree86 (4.1.0) |
| 12:44.48 | rob^ | haha |
| 12:44.51 | wishie | so, compared to the other distros, its software/features were not too good. |
| 12:45.09 | Weems | how can I setup apt so it gets the unstable .debs from the repositories? |
| 12:45.10 | asg | wishie: 2.4.18 is also available, don't forget |
| 12:45.12 | St0n3-C0l | gr8 :P llama32 you stole his pen :P |
| 12:45.12 | rob^ | pfft wishie what do you expect running woody? |
| 12:45.17 | smsmasters | what is the command to d/l http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.190.tar.gz into root? |
| 12:45.22 | wishie | oh ffs |
| 12:45.27 | wishie | must i repeat myself all the time |
| 12:45.28 | Mage__ | webmin sux. |
| 12:45.33 | MobyTurbo | wishie: er, Woody offers a 2.4.18 option during install. (bf2.4) |
| 12:45.35 | rob^ | weems: apt-setup |
| 12:45.40 | wishie | this is a review in a magazine, of the current _stable_ distros |
| 12:45.52 | wishie | MobyTurbo: we've been through this, i know. |
| 12:45.54 | llama32 | St0n3-C0l: huh? lay off the white powder... |
| 12:45.55 | Weems | but i dont know the path to a rpository that has unstable stuff |
| 12:45.56 | MobyTurbo | wishie: then that magazine sucks |
| 12:46.05 | smsmasters | how do u d/l a file into root? |
| 12:46.06 | wishie | but the default install kernel is.. 2.2.20 |
| 12:46.08 | rob^ | burn that fucker |
| 12:46.09 | smsmasters | what's the command |
| 12:46.14 | resiak | !tell Weems -about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 12:46.40 | MobyTurbo | wishie: out of curiosity what magazine is this? |
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| 12:46.54 | jou_ | is possible to emulate keyboard pulsations? |
| 12:47.02 | asg | wtf is a keyboard pulsation? |
| 12:47.02 | sh0rt | ? |
| 12:47.04 | smsmasters | fuck off wishie |
| 12:47.05 | jou_ | I need automatic go to ctrl + alt + f1 after to launch startx |
| 12:47.13 | smsmasters | I was only asking how to d/l webmin |
| 12:47.18 | resiak | smsmasters: wget |
| 12:47.23 | smsmasters | Thank you |
| 12:47.33 | resiak | smsmasters: PLEASE don't use Webmin |
| 12:47.34 | asg | resiak: no need, he'll moron his fs in due time. |
| 12:47.34 | St0n3-C0l | lol |
| 12:47.41 | wishie | Debian 3 (woody) is compared against: Fedora Core 3, SUSE Pro 9.2, Novell Linux Desktop 9, Sun Java Desktop 2, Mandrake 10.1, Xandros 2, Redhat Enterprise Desktop Edition 3 |
| 12:47.45 | jou_ | sh0rt: can yo help me? |
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| 12:47.47 | resiak | smsmasters: PLEASE learn how to configure your system armed with vi and a command line. |
| 12:47.50 | wishie | smsmasters: wtf did i do ? |
| 12:47.55 | resiak | smsmasters: PLEASE read the Debian reference. |
| 12:47.56 | smsmasters | what what d fuck is vi |
| 12:48.06 | sh0rt | jou_: i dont think so |
| 12:48.09 | rob^ | haha |
| 12:48.10 | MobyTurbo | wishie: all of which suck |
| 12:48.12 | asg | smsmasters: go get an intro book on Unix now and don't come back until you have read it |
| 12:48.16 | rob^ | fuck off |
| 12:48.28 | resiak | !d; |
| 12:48.29 | jethro | smsmasters: you've been either 1/making fun of many volunteers, asking stupid things and behaving like a moron 2/ a moron, for now quite some hours, so you deserve what you're being told |
| 12:48.30 | resiak | !d |
| 12:48.31 | dpkg | i guess d is uninterruptible sleep (usually IO), or a letter of the alphabet |
| 12:48.32 | wishie | MobyTurbo: i know that, but does the public ? the general person reading the magazine ? |
| 12:48.40 | resiak | !d is also not a substitute for "the". |
| 12:48.40 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 12:48.42 | St0n3-C0l | wget ? |
| 12:48.50 | xLobeznox | smsmasters, install ubuntu hoary |
| 12:48.51 | xLobeznox | is easy |
| 12:48.53 | rob^ | wishie, who cares? |
| 12:48.55 | MobyTurbo | wishie: too bad for them |
| 12:48.58 | wishie | MobyTurbo: im not trying to say that debian sucks, and i use debian, have for a long time, and will for a long time to come. i love using debian. |
| 12:49.00 | resiak | !sunday |
| 12:49.00 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
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| 12:49.08 | asg | !sing sunday |
| 12:49.08 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
| 12:49.11 | smsmasters | who are the freaks |
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| 12:49.28 | wishie | my point is, that we need a new stable release soon |
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| 12:49.34 | wishie | woody is so bloody dated its not funny |
| 12:49.36 | smsmasters | what does purge do |
| 12:49.37 | jethro | smsmasters: take a wild guess |
| 12:49.38 | asg | wishie: we will have one soon |
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| 12:49.46 | MobyTurbo | wishie: then what's your point? |
| 12:49.47 | wishie | and when compared to other stable linux distros, woody by comparison, sucks. |
| 12:49.50 | rob^ | so wishie, so why do you keep bringing this up? |
| 12:49.51 | smsmasters | what does purge do |
| 12:50.03 | asg | wishie: erm, those other 'stable' distros are not very stable |
| 12:50.05 | sh0rt | smsmasters: a bit like laxet |
| 12:50.09 | wishie | oh ffs |
| 12:50.12 | MobyTurbo | wishie: this is getting old |
| 12:50.17 | Broseph | man apt-get |
| 12:50.19 | smsmasters | wishie wishes he had a life |
| 12:50.20 | wishie | im not saying that RH and shit are better, cause they arent |
| 12:50.26 | rob^ | yes.. piss off |
| 12:50.32 | wishie | fucking hell, you are all a fucking bunch of wankers not listening to what im saying. |
| 12:50.37 | asg | wishie: we aren't arguing with you, just agreeing |
| 12:50.41 | rob^ | wishie, NO ONE CARES! |
| 12:50.46 | llama32 | "Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play..."? i now understand what the radiation from a computer can do to your head... |
| 12:50.49 | wishie | rob^: well, i was fucking asked. |
| 12:51.07 | wishie | MobyTurbo: the magazine, as you asked, is APC |
| 12:51.10 | resiak | !tell smsmasters -about Debian Reference |
| 12:51.12 | rob^ | now there is like 3 people telling you to shut up |
| 12:51.16 | sh0rt | every one take a deep breath |
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| 12:51.22 | resiak | smsmasters: PLEASE read the page that dpkg has just told you about, for your own good. |
| 12:51.37 | MobyTurbo | wishie: I've never heard of APC, whatever it is the reviewers were lame |
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| 12:51.48 | pulu | APC is the main australian computer magazine |
| 12:52.05 | sh0rt | and its full of shit |
| 12:52.11 | wishie | how so ? the reviewers are only doing what was asked of them. "review and compare the latest stable linux distros" |
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| 12:52.44 | wishie | my point is, that sarge needs to come sooner, rather than later |
| 12:52.47 | sh0rt | tell em to do it again in a /month/year/decade when sarge comes out :) |
| 12:52.54 | asg | wishie: it will |
| 12:53.00 | wishie | sh0rt: that is my point, exactly! |
| 12:53.01 | MobyTurbo | wishie: Fedora is "stable"? ;-) |
| 12:53.14 | wishie | MobyTurbo: in their opinion, maybe. in mine, no |
| 12:53.22 | smsmasters | who gives a fuck about all this |
| 12:53.23 | Gumby | sounds to me that the debate is more of what "stable" means in regards to a distro |
| 12:53.25 | wishie | but, you can see what im getting at |
| 12:53.25 | smsmasters | it's geeky talk |
| 12:53.36 | jethro | wishie: other distros don't share the same opinion on what 'stable' is |
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| 12:53.57 | wishie | jethro: once again, not my opinion. just the magazines |
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| 12:54.02 | smsmasters | wget does not work |
| 12:54.05 | rob^ | wishie!*@* added to ignore list... |
| 12:54.06 | jethro | wishie: I got it right don't worry :) |
| 12:54.07 | sh0rt | who cares about woody anyway, if you dont know about sarge, you shouldnt be using debian |
| 12:54.11 | asg | !tell smsmasters about pebcak |
| 12:54.12 | alexskan | hi all, is there any tool that allows displaying for any quota of the bandwidth used the responsible program? |
| 12:54.16 | jethro | hah asg |
| 12:54.17 | MobyTurbo | wishie: if you want sarge to become stable sooner, whining about computer mag articles in IRC is uneffective. |
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| 12:54.20 | asg | jethro: morning |
| 12:54.24 | jethro | hello :) |
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| 12:54.33 | llama32 | smsmasters: are ou trying to download a file into / as a normal user (you said "into root"...)? |
| 12:54.39 | smsmasters | into root |
| 12:54.46 | MobyTurbo | brb |
| 12:54.50 | majki | asg: Hi, I did debug on localhost:111 connections, if you remember from yesterday.. |
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| 12:54.57 | asg | majki: yeah |
| 12:55.01 | wishie | the point i was trying to make in the first place is "people that read this magazine, are going to look at the review, and all steer clear or debian" |
| 12:55.15 | wishie | simply because of the way it is portrayed in the review |
| 12:55.17 | smsmasters | im logged in as root |
| 12:55.19 | djp | error badly formed dpkg satus entry message when i run vrms. should i just ignore this message? it refers to emacsen-common. vrms goes on to report that no non-free packages installed, therefore my theory that it is not a big issue... |
| 12:55.20 | jethro | wishie: I hope smsmasters read that magazine you know |
| 12:55.20 | takatumi | wishie: good for them. |
| 12:55.24 | asg | majki: what was the outcome? |
| 12:55.26 | sh0rt | wishie: they dont have internet |
| 12:55.29 | sh0rt | ? |
| 12:55.36 | Broseph | thats like saying im not gonna watch a movie because someone told me it sucked - bullshit |
| 12:55.39 | jethro | wishie: if it can save the debian project from supporting retards, then it's good |
| 12:55.42 | Gumby | wishie: anyone that takes any other persons advice in regards to picking a distro should stick with windows |
| 12:55.45 | misfitx7 | what file do i edit to keep xdm from loading at boot time? |
| 12:55.55 | asg | misfitx7: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 12:56.07 | smsmasters | I want to download http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/webadmin/webmin-1.190.tar.gz into my root directory |
| 12:56.07 | sh0rt | misfitx7: add single to kernel line at boot |
| 12:56.09 | smsmasters | How? |
| 12:56.11 | majki | asg: it looks, that courier-imap-ssl use this connections (probably for givving information for Maildir status, when users making connections to imap-ssl) |
| 12:56.21 | jethro | !tell smsmasters -about repeat |
| 12:56.44 | asg | majki: huh, odd. |
| 12:56.56 | takatumi | smsmasters: have you read the debian-reference? |
| 12:57.13 | asg | majki: glad you figured it out though. |
| 12:57.14 | majki | asg: I know, I don't know why is doing this way |
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| 12:57.21 | Azmodeus | en.de |
| 12:57.30 | djp | error badly formed dpkg satus entry message when i run vrms. should i just ignore this message? it refers to emacsen-common. vrms goes on to report that no non-free packages installed, therefore my theory that it is not a big issue... |
| 12:57.35 | Gumby | smsmasters: there are mant "root" directories... your webserver has a root directory, each user hasa root directory. your filesysytem has a root directory... on and on |
| 12:57.42 | wishie | i realise that debian focuses on stability, and sarge will be released when it is ready. i was ust commenting on the fact that even though i prefer debian, and will continue to use debian, the review didnt make it look good, and most people that read it, will choose Xandros, or Mandrake, or Redhat etc, over debian. |
| 12:57.54 | Gumby | excuse the typos... Im drunk |
| 12:57.59 | takatumi | djp: vrms doesn't like emacs-common? |
| 12:58.13 | sh0rt | wishie: but then they will see the light and come over |
| 12:58.19 | Broseph | wishie and? |
| 12:58.22 | jethro | wishie: now we all agree and knew that already |
| 12:58.24 | takatumi | wishie: we get some good, some bad. (who cases?) |
| 12:58.32 | paulswm | smsmasters: to download the file, why not just save it from your web browser if you are unable to use wget |
| 12:58.38 | asg | majki: you could ask on the courier list, it generally gets quite a bit of traffic so you might get a reasonable answer from them. |
| 12:58.49 | Gumby | wishie: I;d say that the magazines reviewers arent too smart then |
| 12:58.52 | wishie | sh0rt: maybe, yes. but every bloody person i speak to, who wants to learn linux, says 'i have fedora, or mardrake" etc and its farked |
| 12:59.00 | wishie | i try to say "no, debian is better" |
| 12:59.00 | rob^ | just add wishie to ignore.. so much better |
| 12:59.05 | jethro | wishie: show them how debian is better |
| 12:59.12 | wishie | then they read reviews like this, and its impossible to try to convince people |
| 12:59.30 | wishie | even if they shouldnt believe what they read, for the most part, people are dumb. |
| 12:59.31 | jethro | wishie: personnal experience is *way* better than what you can read in papers |
| 12:59.33 | majki | asg: I'll try |
| 12:59.44 | Broseph | rob^ right you are |
| 12:59.49 | djp | takatumi: how do you mean? it finds a problem with its entry in /var/lib/dpkg/status? |
| 12:59.55 | Gumby | mandrake is great for people looking to use an alternate to windows. users that are looking for something simple. |
| 12:59.57 | wishie | jethro: once again, i know this. but people will read it, grab fedora, install it, and think its oh so wonderful |
| 12:59.58 | sh0rt | wishie: enough already |
| 13:00.00 | wishie | they you have to convince them its shit |
| 13:00.08 | majki | asg: it's about 50 localhost connections for one user connection to imap-ssl |
| 13:00.18 | asg | majki: ugh, that's terrible |
| 13:00.25 | paulswm | wishie: You are writing under the assumption that it is somehow important to give a shit about a review, given that debian is not dependent upon a huge user base for its existence |
| 13:00.43 | asg | paulswm: and the assumption that we can make sarge release any faster. |
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| 13:00.51 | llama32 | anyone know if theres an app or anything already called 'paq'? i get the feeling its not a name only ive thought of... |
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| 13:01.06 | asg | llama32: ipaq? |
| 13:01.06 | wishie | paulswm: i dont give a flying fuck what the review says, i use debian. but _most_ people wanting to get into linux, will steer away from debian, because of things like that |
| 13:01.06 | llama32 | other than ipaq :) |
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| 13:01.14 | jethro | I m gonna release sarge before debian and sell it |
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| 13:01.26 | asg | jethro: there you go |
| 13:01.28 | renegad3 | !blind |
| 13:01.29 | dpkg | it has been said that blind is a place inside my mind, a place i like to hide, but you dont know the chances, what if i should die? |
| 13:01.40 | Gumby | wishie: "most people" looking to get into linux wont be buying linux specific mags to choose their distro |
| 13:01.48 | takatumi | djp: try an apt-get update |
| 13:01.51 | wishie | its not linux specific |
| 13:01.56 | wishie | its a general pc magazine |
| 13:02.05 | wishie | problably australias most popular one at that too |
| 13:02.06 | paulswm | Personally, I would be happy if the user base was at the minimum needed for volunteers to want to continue to support it, if indeed there is such a minimum |
| 13:02.16 | r0hlik | je tu nejakej cech? |
| 13:02.24 | asg | r0hlik: no |
| 13:02.29 | paulswm | !cz |
| 13:02.29 | dpkg | cz is, like, Czech Republic. Kanal pro cechy je #debian-cz |
| 13:02.29 | resiak | !cz |
| 13:02.30 | pulu | apc is a generic pc mag, the kind they don't have many of in the US anymore |
| 13:02.39 | r0hlik | aha |
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| 13:02.44 | colde89 | get the following error when i compile a 2.4.6 kernel: gcc: Internal error: Speicherzugriffsfehler (program cc1). |
| 13:02.52 | asg | !b-e colde89 |
| 13:02.53 | dpkg | colde89: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 13:02.56 | paulswm | Heh resiak, beat you |
| 13:03.00 | debian | !hk |
| 13:03.00 | dpkg | from memory, hk is the abbreviation of Hong Kong Special Administration Region of China |
| 13:03.02 | takatumi | djp: remember getting that, I think aptitude update fixed it, maybe apt-get update will work as well. |
| 13:03.10 | sh0rt | Speicherzugriffsfehler? |
| 13:03.12 | jethro | colde89: export LANG=C, run the very same command and paste the error, or go paste that one to debian-de |
| 13:03.18 | resiak | paulswm: I really ought to set up keybindings for !fr et al. |
| 13:03.20 | sh0rt | !de |
| 13:03.21 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 13:03.37 | jethro | debian.de even |
| 13:03.40 | paulswm | resiak: and for qotd71 |
| 13:03.58 | pulu | beware the unfriendly german debian users, not so friendly like these english ones over here |
| 13:03.59 | resiak | Yes, yes, let's all invoke all the two-country-codes we can think of and see what dpkg says. It's not like you can /msg him or anything. |
| 13:04.00 | asg | paulswm: ah, someone added it |
| 13:04.01 | colde89 | jetro: export LANG=C in console? |
| 13:04.08 | resiak | asg: *bows* |
| 13:04.16 | asg | resiak: hehe |
| 13:04.17 | jethro | colde89: yes |
| 13:04.23 | djp | takatumi: thanks will give it a shot. it appears that the /var/lib/dpkg/status does not hold a section entry for emacsen-common. that could be what is throwing vrms... |
| 13:04.28 | alexskan | hi all, is there any top-like bandwidth manager displaying the responsible program for each entry ? (an fuser -n tcp port like...) |
| 13:04.36 | paulswm | asg: how could we possibly miss that one, it will become an enduring classic |
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| 13:04.55 | renegad3 | za voje snene oci!! |
| 13:05.00 | resiak | asg: kbrooks had made him(her?)self a kbrooks factoid, which I kinda replaced with <reply> see qotd71 |
| 13:05.17 | asg | paulswm: yeah, I was just seeing if it made it into my debian irc qotd fortune file autobuild. |
| 13:05.21 | paulswm | Oh, yes, that was the *best* |
| 13:05.23 | asg | paulswm: and it did :) |
| 13:06.00 | paulswm | asg: Great :) I had to read it twice before responding. I couldn't believe my eyes. |
| 13:06.10 | asg | paulswm: hehe |
| 13:06.22 | asg | resiak: haha, cool. |
| 13:06.43 | tonb | I have a Cherry Linux keyboard. Anyone made a .deb file for the software for the keyboard? |
| 13:06.48 | paulswm | asg I wanted to tell him to telinit 1 and then rm -fr /var and try a reboot to test his assertion, heh |
| 13:06.57 | resiak | tonb: I have the same. There's a debian/rules file in the tarball |
| 13:06.59 | asg | paulswm: I love 114 |
| 13:07.05 | majki | asg: it looks, that it has something with FAM (fam use portmap), but I don't have FAM installed on my system (http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=6805184&forum_id=33081) |
| 13:07.14 | resiak | tonb: The readme tells you how to build it. I should have the .deb somewhere if you're too lazy to do that? |
| 13:07.17 | resiak | tonb: :) |
| 13:07.17 | asg | majki: ah |
| 13:07.28 | resiak | tonb: But are you planning to use it via USB or PS/2?= |
| 13:07.45 | tonb | I have tried to build it. Did it work for you ok? |
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| 13:07.56 | asg | paulswm: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune |
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| 13:08.03 | paulswm | asg: just looked, 114 is priceless |
| 13:08.09 | asg | paulswm: yeah |
| 13:08.15 | tonb | resiak: I think I tried with ps/2 |
| 13:08.29 | resiak | tonb: You need a metric fuck-tonne of KDE/QT stuff (I'm not a KDE user, so). It works fine, except that about 10 of the keys just Don't Work(TM) over USB (without some kernel patching). |
| 13:08.38 | resiak | tonb: Hang on, I'll stick my .debs on the net. |
| 13:08.56 | paulswm | asg: thanks for posting the link, I'd fogotten it, that is a really funny read |
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| 13:09.06 | tonb | resiak: great :-) |
| 13:09.17 | asg | paulswm: yeah, it's built nightly from don's dpkg database files. |
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| 13:10.13 | llama32 | what is it that takes up the 1.3mb compressed apt source? it doesnt seem like it would need a lot of code, and it cant all be docs... |
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| 13:10.34 | paulswm | asg: 110 is good too, I assume he was presented with a console |
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| 13:10.47 | asg | paulswm: heh |
| 13:11.08 | resiak | tonb: http://www.willthompson.co.uk/debian/keyman-bin.deb (2.6MiB) # I can't guarantee that the dependencies are correct. Just happily install things until it works ;-) You might also want to look into xbindkeys, which allows you to bind keys in a similar fashion without filthy QTness. |
| 13:11.21 | asg | paulswm: I still think #6 is my favourite though |
| 13:11.22 | resiak | tonb: Of course, this is x86 |
| 13:12.04 | rixth | How can I get write support to ntfs? |
| 13:12.41 | tonb | resiak: Thanks, when I get home, I'll try to get ik working. (Wow, this is fast :-) |
| 13:12.48 | paulswm | asg: Very good, and I admire your own wit in 62, that is very funny |
| 13:12.52 | hulo_ | rixth: compile a kernel with it? |
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| 13:13.51 | rixth | hulo_ too hard, and not enough time |
| 13:13.58 | smsmasters | do u need a virusscanner for linux |
| 13:14.03 | resiak | smsmasters: No |
| 13:14.07 | rixth | smsmasters, not really, but its a good idea |
| 13:14.17 | smsmasters | what's the best thing u can do with debian |
| 13:14.27 | rixth | But not running all the time like in <cough>windows</cough> |
| 13:14.37 | rixth | smsmasters, apt-get! |
| 13:14.41 | resiak | smsmasters: Make sweet love to it late into the night by candlelight. |
| 13:14.43 | llama32 | smsmastes: apt-get anything you need... |
| 13:14.45 | rixth | !love |
| 13:14.45 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
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| 13:15.40 | resiak | llama32: Hey, I stopped drinking 10 hours ago! |
| 13:16.01 | paulswm | smsmasters: In all seriousness, the big advantage of Linux to me is to be able to do programming and research using an excellent set of free tools |
| 13:16.02 | llama32 | resiak: tell me you didnt try and smoke that tequilla... |
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| 13:16.20 | resiak | llama32: How did you know that I did four tequila shots for the second night running? |
| 13:16.48 | paulswm | smsmasters: And debian in particular becuase of apt and QA |
| 13:16.55 | debian | smsmasters: there IS a virusscanner for debian |
| 13:17.16 | debian | smsmasters: apt-cache search clam |
| 13:17.26 | llama32 | resiak: you can learn a lot about a person by watching them 24/7 |
| 13:17.32 | resiak | llama32: *fear* |
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| 13:17.38 | rixth | How can I get write support to ntfS? |
| 13:17.59 | llama32 | resiak: put down that phone... nobody hears your cries... |
| 13:18.35 | maw_ | rixth, ur kernel should support it |
| 13:18.52 | resiak | maw_: Not _writing_. |
| 13:18.56 | maw_ | yes |
| 13:18.58 | resiak | !tell rixth -about captiventfs |
| 13:19.03 | resiak | maw_: Erm, no. |
| 13:19.33 | maw_ | CONFIG_NTFS_RW=y |
| 13:19.41 | resiak | maw_: Do you know how unreliable that is/ |
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| 13:19.59 | jskcr | 1.Type "aptitude moo" & press ENTER |
| 13:19.59 | jskcr | aptitude responds with "There are no Easter Eggs in this program." |
| 13:19.59 | maw_ | but its writing |
| 13:20.00 | jskcr | 2.Type "aptitude -v moo" & press ENTER |
| 13:20.02 | jskcr | This time, the response is "There really are no Easter Eggs in this program." |
| 13:20.03 | rixth | resiak, thanks |
| 13:20.03 | jskcr | 3."aptitude -v -v moo" causes it to respond with "Didn't I already tell you that there are no Easter Eggs in this program?" |
| 13:20.06 | MobyTurbo | maw_: it's experimental and can and will destroy your data |
| 13:20.07 | jskcr | 4."aptitude -v -v -v moo" causes the response "Stop it!" |
| 13:20.08 | jskcr | 5.if you add a fourth -v ("aptitude -v -v -v -v moo"), aptitude responds with "Okay, okay, if I give you an Easter Egg, will you go away?" |
| 13:20.11 | jskcr | 6.adding a fifth -v "aptitude -v -v -v -v -v moo") causes it to respond with "All right, you win.", followed by a crude, unrecognizable ASCII drawing. |
| 13:20.14 | jskcr | 7.putting the -v six or more times ("aptitude -v -v -v -v -v -v") answers the question of what the drawing is - "What is it? It's an elephant being eaten by a snake, of course." |
| 13:20.15 | resiak | maw_: It's writing with added trashing of your disk. |
| 13:20.17 | jskcr | 8. this is a reference to Antoine de St. Exupery's "The Little Prince" |
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| 13:20.19 | jskcr | doh sorry wrong screen |
| 13:20.33 | asg | paulswm: :) |
| 13:20.44 | emce | hi all |
| 13:21.03 | rob^ | gee thanks jskcr |
| 13:21.20 | resiak | jskcr: FWIW, you know that you can stack options? aptitude -vvvvv or whatever. |
| 13:22.04 | jskcr | yup apt-get has super cow powers |
| 13:22.12 | resiak | jskcr: Well noticed. |
| 13:22.25 | jskcr | Type apt-get moo |
| 13:22.44 | resiak | jskcr: Well noticed again! |
| 13:22.46 | emce | hey people |
| 13:23.05 | emce | i'm happy |
| 13:23.14 | resiak | emce: Hi yourself. Do you really expect all 700 people to reply with "HEY, emce my main man! How's it hangin' in your neck of the woods?" ? |
| 13:23.17 | emce | :-) |
| 13:23.27 | jskcr | Linux - Aerosmith quote in Linux logout Create a user account on your system with login "tyler". Log into the shell (tested with BASH, though I think this egg comes from the Linux kernel itself), and enter the 'reboot' or 'halt' command. (You can do this as root in another terminal if you need to). You will be presented with the message, |
| 13:23.28 | llama32 | rofl @ that aptitude moo thing |
| 13:23.52 | Henning | A big moo to aptitude. |
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| 13:24.47 | emce | \whois emce |
| 13:24.54 | emce | :-) |
| 13:24.57 | ildegar | gj |
| 13:25.03 | llama32 | jskcr: any other debian apps with mooing abilities? |
| 13:25.04 | clojster | off topic: #freebsd :You need to be identified to join that channe |
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| 13:25.09 | clojster | what does that mean? |
| 13:25.12 | asg | clojster: /msg nickserv help |
| 13:25.32 | clojster | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:25.38 | clojster | ? |
| 13:25.50 | asg | clojster: type it in your irc client (without the leading space(s)) |
| 13:25.51 | jskcr | aptitude has super cow powers |
| 13:26.05 | asg | jskcr: cowsay -f stimpy Nummies\! |
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| 13:26.29 | llama32 | clojster: it means you have to register your nickname |
| 13:26.56 | l1nux | is ok, i have installed xorg from ubunto |
| 13:27.04 | llama32 | jskcr: isnt it apt-get that says it has super cow powers, or is it aptitude too? |
| 13:27.17 | resiak | l1nux: Why exactly should we care? |
| 13:27.20 | l1nux | work fine :) |
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| 13:27.30 | resiak | l1nux: And why exactly should we care? |
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| 13:27.36 | jskcr | cat /usr/src/linux/net/ipv4/netfilter/ipt_limit.c | grep Alex |
| 13:27.42 | red_one | anybody had xfs_repair fail with a "no space left on device" error? |
| 13:27.43 | clojster | thanks all |
| 13:27.44 | jskcr | try this one thats funny egg |
| 13:28.03 | pulu | resiak: i asked him to tell me if it worked when he asked about xorg before... like 2 hours ago |
| 13:28.21 | hulo_ | red_one: try running it from a rescue CD? |
| 13:28.22 | l1nux | resiak, i dont now ! |
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| 13:28.32 | red_one | hulo_, i am |
| 13:28.39 | jskcr | hers a funny one if ya have the linux source installed |
| 13:28.40 | jskcr | cat /usr/src/linux/drivers/net/sunhme.c | grep Sun |
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| 13:28.43 | rob^ | jskcr, haven't got it |
| 13:28.54 | l1nux | but > not work ): |
| 13:28.59 | jskcr | * "Happy Meal Ethernet" found on SunSwift SBUS cards. |
| 13:28.59 | jskcr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.59 | jskcr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.59 | jskcr | /* Only Sun can take such nice parts and fuck up the programming interface |
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| 13:29.05 | resiak | jskcr: Actually, better to read that particular file in less, since there's an entire story |
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| 13:29.23 | wfx | hi, where do i find "lib-gettext" |
| 13:29.39 | asg | jskcr: why don't you just put these on a webpage somewhere and post the link instead of flooding the channel. |
| 13:29.46 | asg | wfx: /msg dpkg search |
| 13:30.32 | jskcr | 4 lines is not a flood |
| 13:30.36 | asg | jskcr: in here it is |
| 13:30.37 | llama32 | jskcr: some ppl have too much time... |
| 13:30.40 | jskcr | Its a paragraph :) |
| 13:30.45 | asg | jskcr: /msg dpkg guidelines |
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| 13:31.25 | wishie_ | C17H21NO4: well, i finally got port forwarding going. not using iptables though. |
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| 13:31.53 | wfx | asg, dpkg -S "lib-gettext" -> not found |
| 13:31.54 | jskcr | asg dpkg is broke it has a unresolved dependencie |
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| 13:32.03 | l1nux | from /varlog/Xorg.0.log (EE) Couldn't load XKB keymap, falling back to pre-XKB keymap |
| 13:32.05 | l1nux | ?? |
| 13:32.06 | resiak | wfx: apt-cache search gettext |
| 13:32.09 | resiak | l1nux: !! |
| 13:32.17 | resiak | jskcr: Are you running sid? |
| 13:32.18 | wishie_ | some program called 'simpleproxy' |
| 13:32.19 | asg | wfx: and the other nice info like 'apt-file'. Did you bother to check those out too? |
| 13:32.29 | majki | btw, anyone use 2.6.11(2.6.11.x)? It looks, that it has problem with MM (system never use swap space, everything running in RAM ) ..someone else observe same behaviour ? |
| 13:32.40 | valdyn_ | l1nux: xorg is not in debian |
| 13:32.48 | jskcr | resiak: I was being sardonic about the /msg dpkg for the rules remark :) |
| 13:32.50 | asg | jskcr: /msg dpkg guidelines (/msg our bot to get useful info, don't type it at your shell) |
| 13:32.53 | wishie | majki: yeah, i noticed that, but didnt think twice about it. |
| 13:33.03 | resiak | valdyn_: Scrollback -- he's installed Ubuntu X.org debs and thinks that we care. |
| 13:33.11 | jskcr | asg: here type this in your shell kill -9 -1 |
| 13:33.17 | majki | wishie: have you preempt enabled ? |
| 13:33.23 | asg | jskcr: please |
| 13:33.24 | valdyn_ | resiak: aha |
| 13:33.28 | jskcr | :) |
| 13:33.32 | wfx | yes apt-cache search found a lot but i need lib-gettext, i give apt-file a try :-) |
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| 13:34.11 | wfx | oh i dont have apt-file |
| 13:34.12 | l1nux | valdyn_, yes, because xfree not work fine with nvidia driver ! |
| 13:34.15 | resiak | !info gettext |
| 13:34.17 | dpkg | gettext: (GNU Internationalization utilities), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.14.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1632 kB, Installed size: 5056 kB |
| 13:34.26 | resiak | l1nux: XFree works _fine_ with the NVidia binary |
| 13:34.37 | valdyn_ | l1nux: it works fine, the problem is somewhere else |
| 13:34.43 | l1nux | resiak, not for me ! |
| 13:34.48 | resiak | !tell l1nux -about nvidia howto |
| 13:35.00 | jskcr | I remeber about 12 years ago on a aix 3.2.4 system I was learning to admin and the guy said type kill -9 -1, so I did. He said next time read the manual before ya type commands as the system went down lol |
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| 13:35.07 | resiak | l1nux: Worksforme, has always workedforme, I suspect something other than XF is at fault. |
| 13:35.27 | Othello | X warning; process set to priority -20 instead of requested priority -10 <<-- Anyone knows why this keeps appearing and hang my box? :/ |
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| 13:35.37 | l1nux | hmm.. |
| 13:35.59 | Othello | as in that message will flood the console |
| 13:36.14 | wishie | majki: yeah, i have preempt enabled. |
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| 13:37.01 | frido | wishie: you much RAM you have ? |
| 13:37.10 | wishie | 512mb |
| 13:37.29 | wishie | actually, this is my fileserver im talking about..ill see if my has the same problem..brb |
| 13:37.57 | wishie | yep, same problem there too |
| 13:38.08 | wishie | both have 512mb ram, both running 2.6.11.x |
| 13:38.15 | wishie | both using 0kb swap |
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| 13:38.40 | llama32 | Lets all drink ourselves sober! |
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| 13:39.36 | frido | wishie majki: and average status of your free ram is ? |
| 13:40.23 | wishie | my ram is full |
| 13:40.32 | majki | frido: 512mb ..cca. 10mb all the time free (before 2.6.11 I have over 100M in swap, now 0) |
| 13:40.44 | wishie | Mem: 516164 409240 106924 0 39552 337556 |
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| 13:40.56 | wishie | hmm, 100mb free on this machine. |
| 13:41.01 | wishie | but no swap being used. |
| 13:41.18 | wishie | my desktop machine is basically at 99% ram usage, and no swap being used. |
| 13:41.19 | valdyn_ | wishie: your ram isnt "full" in the meaningful sense. Linux never leaves much ram completely free, no matter how much of it you have |
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| 13:41.27 | calin | morning y'all |
| 13:41.31 | asg | !free memory |
| 13:41.31 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 13:41.46 | wishie | valdyn_: yeah well, the point is, swap isnt being used. although it is turned on |
| 13:42.09 | idnar | wishie: because nothing needs to swap |
| 13:42.12 | resiak | Why use swap if it's not necessary? |
| 13:42.21 | Othello | swap = big performance hit |
| 13:42.31 | wishie | idnar: so on my 2 pc's and majki , no swap is needed ? |
| 13:42.34 | Othello | speed of disk < speed of ram |
| 13:42.42 | asg | resiak: it's always good to have some lest a program try to acquire large amounts and leave you with OOM errors. |
| 13:42.44 | idnar | wishie: 512MB of RAM is quite a bit |
| 13:43.01 | smsmasters | debian is great!!! |
| 13:43.03 | idnar | wishie: so if you haven't been running big memory hogs simultaneously, then it's quite possible that nothing has needed to swap yet |
| 13:43.05 | smsmasters | I fucking love debian |
| 13:43.06 | resiak | asg: Good to _have_ it, but I meant why should Linux use swap if it's unnecessary. |
| 13:43.12 | wishie | well, this same pc had 128mb last week. still wasnt using swap |
| 13:43.14 | valdyn_ | wishie: you have ~330 MB used as cache, theres no point in using swap |
| 13:43.26 | valdyn_ | wishie: thats all available for applications to use |
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| 13:43.54 | Othello | swap is useful if you start an app and suddenly need lots of memory |
| 13:44.04 | Othello | like doing FPGA routing |
| 13:44.14 | wishie | ok, either way, i just thought it odd that no swap was being used. |
| 13:44.15 | idnar | wishie: you're using 32MB of RAM, that wouldn't swap with 128MB of RAM either |
| 13:44.21 | Othello | those nasties can go up to 500MB on a nice day |
| 13:44.34 | calin | would it be possible, if i made a boot floppy to boot linux, to install windows after the point and then use the floppy to boot into linux, using grub-install and fdisk to fix and synch the mbr so that it loads up the grub bootloader and i can choose between debian or windows? |
| 13:45.05 | scytheman_ | sure, you could also use knoppix |
| 13:45.06 | resiak | calin: Yes |
| 13:45.24 | calin | awesome, now i'm guna go look up how to make a boot floppy e.e;; |
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| 13:45.38 | pulu | even a system with 1gb will put something to swap after a while... it's just the way the kernel is designed... |
| 13:45.39 | Othello | eh |
| 13:45.51 | valdyn_ | calin: fdisk should not be required to "fix and synch" |
| 13:46.02 | Othello | does anyone know anything about X giving the priority errors? |
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| 13:46.18 | Othello | "X warning; process set to priority -20 instead of requested priority -10"? |
| 13:46.28 | majki | idnar: before I have 2.6.10 on 2 machines, and swap was used all the time (Xwindows, compilation etc..), now you wanna to tell me, that 2.6.11 has special MM, that when system use before over 100MB swap all the time, in 2.6.11 swap is not needed ? |
| 13:46.28 | sh0rt | pulu: eh, i dont think I get anything written to swap |
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| 13:46.32 | calin | no? just doing grub-install on the device will do what i want? |
| 13:46.34 | Othello | especially when it is flooding the console? |
| 13:47.32 | valdyn_ | calin: a bare "grub-install" will install grub, but then you have to enter the commands to boot whatever into the grub shell yourself when you boot |
| 13:47.51 | calin | valdyn_: I don't catch you... |
| 13:47.53 | valdyn_ | calin: a bare "grub-install /dev/fd0" that is |
| 13:48.22 | llama32 | calin: instead of a menu, without any configuration, you have to type a command to make it boot anytihng |
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| 13:48.30 | frido | majki: it's strange, I get to 3 machines today 2.6.11.6 and no swap is used (before there was over 60M swap)..they're proxy servers |
| 13:48.42 | valdyn_ | calin: try it and boot ) |
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| 13:48.54 | wishie | yes, i think there is any issue with swap usage |
| 13:49.06 | wishie | i had noticed it on my machines, but thought nothing of it. |
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| 13:49.18 | frido | majki: probably 2.6.11.x has has any problem with MM |
| 13:49.20 | TwoSchubert | slightly offtopic....anybody here knows how to send emails from sourceforge user account? |
| 13:49.22 | TwoSchubert | so the sender would be fooo@users.sourceforge.net |
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| 13:49.35 | Nosf3ratu | Does the debian mysql package's "debian-sys-maint" user have a password? |
| 13:49.39 | llama32 | anyone noticed how much swap XP uses up, while keeping (on my box at least) almost exactly 40mb free? |
| 13:49.47 | rixth | Hmm, I've installed Captive NTFS, now waht? How can I write to my NTFS partitions, do I just mount as normal? |
| 13:49.48 | asg | Nosf3ratu: yes |
| 13:49.51 | sh0rt | TwoSchubert: maybe log into sourceforge and send from there |
| 13:49.52 | FieldySnuts | not really, after this is #debian |
| 13:50.00 | FieldySnuts | after all |
| 13:50.01 | Nosf3ratu | asg, I think I've overwritten it; any idea what the passwd is? |
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| 13:50.17 | calin | I want to install windows on the came computer as debian is on now, then boot back to debian and restore grub and the master boot loader. using grub install on a floppy and typing in what i want it to boot, then i have to do something on the disk like grub-install, will it then use the /boot/grub/menu.lst crap, right? |
| 13:50.25 | calin | s/came/same/ |
| 13:50.32 | wishie | bbs |
| 13:50.34 | asg | Nosf3ratu: it's md5 encoded and created randomly during installation. |
| 13:51.13 | valdyn_ | wishie: you can get your system to use swap when low memory is really "used". This is, make sure some program that never runs is loaded ( like an unused webbrowser ), then copy a huge amount of data |
| 13:51.23 | Nosf3ratu | asg, hmm...well it's not working on this install...i don't suppose a --reinstall would fix it, would it? |
| 13:51.25 | llama32 | rixth: you need to copy the drivers from winxp (non-SP2) to make captive-ntfs work |
| 13:51.36 | frido | llama32: call MS-hotline and ask, you have free support |
| 13:51.43 | asg | Nosf3ratu: no, but /usr/share/doc/mysql-server/README.Debian gives information |
| 13:51.51 | Nosf3ratu | but of course |
| 13:51.53 | Nosf3ratu | thanks asg |
| 13:51.54 | rixth | Which files? |
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| 13:52.12 | llama32 | frido: i would never ask microsoft. i prefer to TELL them :) |
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| 13:52.22 | pulu | cd /dev/shm; dd if=/dev/zero of=eatmemory bs=1k count=500 |
| 13:52.26 | resiak | rixth: READ THE MANUAL! |
| 13:52.29 | pulu | err, count=500000 |
| 13:52.33 | pulu | that'll make some swap |
| 13:52.36 | rixth | resiak, I am :) |
| 13:52.44 | rixth | and I believe its rtfm :) |
| 13:52.55 | Mombos | just changed my apt sources, do i need to run a command to refresh them so it uses them or will they just work straite off |
| 13:53.09 | asg | Mombos: apt-get update |
| 13:53.09 | sh0rt | rixth: hope you dont mind loosing xp if you write to it |
| 13:53.10 | resiak | apt-get update |
| 13:53.17 | resiak | !loose |
| 13:53.26 | resiak | sh0rt: You mean losing, not loosing. |
| 13:53.27 | takatumi | Mombos: man apt-get explains more. |
| 13:53.27 | Mombos | asg: thanks |
| 13:53.38 | sh0rt | i believe i do |
| 13:53.38 | rixth | sh0rt, loosing windows, meh, loosing other files on win partition, argh |
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| 13:54.07 | rixth | resiak, the website says run captive-install-acquire but when I do it says command not found |
| 13:54.10 | resiak | THERE'S ONLY ONE O IN LOSING DAMMIT! |
| 13:54.10 | sh0rt | resiak: its getting late and im getting drunk :) |
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| 13:54.41 | asg | !d&d |
| 13:54.55 | asg | bah, who erased the factoid |
| 13:55.04 | FieldySnuts | @fuck captive ntfs, no wait, ntfs period |
| 13:55.27 | takatumi | ntfs with the period? ooh, bloody. |
| 13:55.27 | resiak | !loose is when a nut doesn't fit the bolt, and loosing is not really a word. Losing is when something leaves your possession. THERE'S ONLY ONE O! |
| 13:55.29 | majki | pulu: no swap was used |
| 13:55.39 | resiak | DPKG? |
| 13:55.48 | asg | resiak: it's thrasing and unresponsive atm |
| 13:56.00 | resiak | asg: Oh, okay. |
| 13:56.03 | rixth | !loose |
| 13:56.04 | rixth | ! |
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| 13:56.12 | rixth | There used to be a factiod |
| 13:56.14 | sh0rt | shit, so much anger for misspelling a ward |
| 13:56.21 | rixth | Lmfao. |
| 13:56.22 | rixth | ! |
| 13:56.24 | takatumi | wart?!?? |
| 13:56.25 | pulu | sh0rt: welcome to #debian |
| 13:56.25 | asg | rixth: there is, the bot isn't working right now. |
| 13:56.27 | Nosf3ratu | sh0rt, it's a common mispelling. |
| 13:56.31 | resiak | :tell everyone -about enter |
| 13:56.36 | rixth | !dpkg |
| 13:56.42 | Nosf3ratu | it's akin to "definately" |
| 13:56.42 | FieldySnuts | @lart rixth |
| 13:56.44 | rixth | Yeah, he's a little dead. |
| 13:56.55 | FieldySnuts | use apt (trigger ~) or ravenbird (trigger @) |
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| 13:57.05 | Nosf3ratu | dpkg should be on a cluster for as much as its abused. |
| 13:57.11 | rixth | @beat FieldySnuts |
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| 13:57.18 | rixth | !beat FieldySnuts |
| 13:57.20 | rixth | Dammit. |
| 13:57.21 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: hump rixth |
| 13:57.29 | asg | Nosf3ratu: that's why we have apt and ravenbird and, occasionally, badgers |
| 13:57.29 | resiak | Imagine a Beowulf cluster of Blootbots .... |
| 13:57.34 | FieldySnuts | anyway enough botabuse from me for now |
| 13:57.58 | Nosf3ratu | they have mirrored factoids? |
| 13:58.05 | FieldySnuts | mostly |
| 13:58.06 | asg | Nosf3ratu: sometimes |
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| 13:58.15 | FieldySnuts | they differ slightly in some things |
| 13:58.30 | l1nux | all is good :) |
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| 13:58.36 | ireverentReveren | ok, so my wireless WAS working... and then i started messing with the config panel in kcontrol and now it doesnt work... what files got modified? |
| 13:58.48 | Nosf3ratu | cool |
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| 13:58.48 | resiak | ireverentReveren: man interfaces |
| 13:58.51 | ireverentReveren | so i can change them back? |
| 13:58.57 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 13:58.59 | asg | hehe |
| 13:58.59 | calin | "zion:/home/calin# grub-install /dev/fd0 /dev/fd0 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." feh? |
| 13:59.02 | resiak | *fear* |
| 13:59.08 | l1nux | i have debian with Xorg :) |
| 13:59.09 | Nosf3ratu | now all you need is to script each of them so that they /nick dpkg if dpkg isn't in the channel |
| 13:59.12 | asg | looks like don blew up the lab again |
| 13:59.17 | Nosf3ratu | and renick to their respective nicks when it comes back |
| 13:59.18 | FieldySnuts | Nosf3ratu: why? |
| 13:59.21 | ireverentReveren | resiak /etc/network/interfaces does not appear changed, and it appears correct.. |
| 13:59.25 | FieldySnuts | nah. too complicated |
| 13:59.30 | resiak | ireverentReveren: Oh well. |
| 13:59.32 | FieldySnuts | regulars understand the bot names |
| 13:59.48 | Nosf3ratu | yeah i guess so |
| 13:59.51 | asg | ireverentReveren: ask #debian-kde what that app changes |
| 13:59.54 | Nosf3ratu | i didn't, and i'm somewhat regular :| |
| 13:59.55 | calin | Nosf3ratu: but if they do that then one day dpkg will respond to ~ commands, one day it'll be ! etc etc |
| 13:59.56 | rixth | I want a job where I can say the word datacenter in daily language. |
| 13:59.58 | Putiikki | why my samba has sometimes 30s delay when opening file? |
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| 14:00.18 | asg | rixth: join a marketing department, they use that word for 3 table databases with >100 records. |
| 14:00.25 | ireverentReveren | asg, thank you |
| 14:00.27 | Nosf3ratu | calin, @acceptable_triggers() :) |
| 14:00.28 | FieldySnuts | ask #samba perhaps, or one of the samba mailing lists |
| 14:00.44 | Putiikki | ok, i try |
| 14:00.46 | calin | i tried grub-install /dev/fd0 and it failed saying something about no corresponding BIOS drive |
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| 14:01.21 | xoz | calin: use grub-floppy |
| 14:01.25 | calin | ah |
| 14:01.46 | Nosf3ratu | asg, I see that I can reset the password via the debian.cnf like it says in the documentation, but how do I generate that hash? |
| 14:02.09 | sh0rt | bugger, i cant pick my right nostril without it bleeding |
| 14:02.19 | FieldySnuts | tmi |
| 14:02.28 | calin | sh0rt: maybe you souldn't pick your nose...? |
| 14:02.36 | pulu | sh0rt: stop eating rat poison |
| 14:02.45 | sh0rt | irc just makes me |
| 14:02.46 | calin | or stop snorting coke |
| 14:02.53 | sh0rt | i wish |
| 14:02.56 | rixth | asg, me and xxSQLxx are not the ebst of friends |
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| 14:03.59 | asg | Nosf3ratu: if mysql is still running, use the root account to set a new password for debian-maint-user and paste that into /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
| 14:04.12 | asg | Nosf3ratu: if not, you need to start it manually and then do the same thing. |
| 14:05.40 | logge | Hi folks!! How are You guys doing?? |
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| 14:06.24 | aquarius | The dictionaries-common package contains /usr/share/dict/words, a symlink to /etc/dictionaries-common/words, but the latter file isn't there. Is there a word dictionary anywhere? packages.debian.org doesn't seem to contain /etc/dictionaries-common/words in any package. |
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| 14:06.45 | sh0rt | rob^: townsville heh not far away |
| 14:06.46 | Unified | hi |
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| 14:06.54 | Unified | is it possible to play audio dvds in debian? |
| 14:07.00 | xk | aquarius: install wenglish or wamerican? |
| 14:07.02 | rob^ | sh0rt, ware are you at? |
| 14:07.05 | rob^ | where? |
| 14:07.19 | sh0rt | rob^: i'd tell ya but youd laugh |
| 14:07.27 | logge | I'm having problem compilling my new kernel. I get an error like: "ld: drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/built-in.o: No such file:" |
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| 14:07.40 | asg | Nosf3ratu: the function in question is password(). (i.e. select password('foo');) |
| 14:07.44 | xk | logge: and what's after the : ? |
| 14:07.46 | rob^ | sh0rt, charters towers wasn't it? |
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| 14:07.57 | logge | "No such file" |
| 14:07.59 | sh0rt | rob^: nah worse |
| 14:08.05 | rob^ | yeah? |
| 14:08.15 | xk | logge: so why is there a : after no such file? |
| 14:08.16 | sh0rt | normaltown |
| 14:08.19 | Nosf3ratu | ah, that makes perfect sense |
| 14:08.45 | aquarius | xk: ah, cheers. Wonder why packages.debian.org didn't point me at that/ |
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| 14:09.00 | logge | I meant that the file or dir doesn't exist |
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| 14:09.14 | FieldySnuts | i think you missed xk's point |
| 14:09.21 | xk | aquarius: hrm... it should suggest one of those packages... its your choice to select which one. |
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| 14:09.51 | logge | Yeah... I think I made a blooper |
| 14:10.05 | aquarius | xk: nonetheless, it works now. Cheers :) |
| 14:10.07 | abrotman | dpkg is dead again? |
| 14:10.12 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 14:10.16 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 14:10.17 | xk | use apt ;) |
| 14:10.19 | asg | abrotman: looks like it's coming back soon though |
| 14:10.19 | abrotman | erm .. |
| 14:10.22 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird! |
| 14:10.23 | abrotman | !coffee asg |
| 14:10.24 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:10.27 | xk | ~hi |
| 14:10.28 | apt | hello, xk |
| 14:10.36 | paulswm | I think that perhaps dpkg isn't broken but just jad it up to here with Sundays |
| 14:10.42 | paulswm | s/j/h/ |
| 14:10.43 | FieldySnuts | makes sense |
| 14:10.49 | asg | abrotman: I actually had a beer for breakfast while I was waiting for the coffee to brew ;) |
| 14:10.51 | abrotman | it was fine in here last night |
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| 14:11.04 | valmet-- | anyone here good at solaris x86= |
| 14:11.06 | valmet-- | ? |
| 14:11.10 | abrotman | asg: not too bad .. i think i should make some eggs :) |
| 14:11.11 | FieldySnuts | wrong channel/network |
| 14:11.20 | abrotman | valmet--: #solaris |
| 14:11.24 | valmet-- | ah thx |
| 14:11.25 | asg | abrotman: only cadbury's chocolate eggs. |
| 14:11.32 | abrotman | asg: no easter here :) |
| 14:11.33 | xk | who would want to run solaris on x86? |
| 14:11.39 | abrotman | xk: you'd be surprised |
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| 14:11.43 | FieldySnuts | hm i guess "free"node doesn't stand up to it's name in that case (solaris?) |
| 14:11.48 | FieldySnuts | xk: people who like pain |
| 14:11.49 | abrotman | xk: i've heard it's far better than previous attempts |
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| 14:12.12 | paulswm | abrotman: actually, I'm considering it |
| 14:12.25 | abrotman | paulswm: eggs? or solars? |
| 14:12.28 | abrotman | solaris |
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| 14:12.35 | asg | abrotman: either way, they both make me ill. |
| 14:12.45 | abrotman | asg: eggs are bad for you? |
| 14:12.46 | paulswm | abrotman: Solaris, just to test it out, maybe keep it as a reference |
| 14:12.55 | paulswm | VMS! |
| 14:12.57 | asg | abrotman: no, I like them in cakes. |
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| 14:13.02 | FieldySnuts | i meant as a torture method |
| 14:13.02 | abrotman | paulswm: it's not bad .. but go to anysystem.com and get a SPARC box :) |
| 14:13.08 | asg | FieldySnuts: I've run it |
| 14:13.13 | abrotman | asg: you can't just eat .. eggs? |
| 14:13.14 | FieldySnuts | :( |
| 14:13.19 | valmet-- | how do i install a nic in debian? what command |
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| 14:13.29 | asg | abrotman: right, they make me ill because of the smell. |
| 14:13.35 | asg | valmet--: man 5 interfaces |
| 14:13.39 | cmf | hi, i accidentally rm -rf'd /var/lib dpkg, now trying to install anything errors because no packages are recorded as being installed, is there anyway around this? |
| 14:13.44 | cmf | ratehr than a reinstall? |
| 14:13.49 | asg | valmet--: also, see our faq (/topic) |
| 14:13.52 | FieldySnuts | restore from backups, else, kick your self really hard |
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| 14:13.59 | cmf | no backups |
| 14:13.59 | xk | cmf: that will teach you to make backups |
| 14:14.00 | abrotman | asg: oh .. that's a bummer |
| 14:14.09 | asg | abrotman: yeah. |
| 14:14.13 | abrotman | i love eggs! |
| 14:14.18 | takatumi | cmf: all of /var/lib? |
| 14:14.20 | rob^ | cfm: you really are stupid. |
| 14:14.21 | abrotman | from my head down to my legs |
| 14:14.22 | asg | abrotman: i love cake |
| 14:14.27 | cmf | nah, just var/lib/dpkg |
| 14:14.32 | Egrom | I get "Authenticated with partial success. |
| 14:14.32 | Egrom | Permission denied, please try again." when trying to ssh onto my debian 3.0 machine... what does it mean? and how can I do to get logged in? |
| 14:14.41 | cmf | was just meanto remove lock, but slip of fingers |
| 14:14.50 | sh0rt | doh |
| 14:15.14 | rob^ | cmf, it there was a lock file it means something else is using it |
| 14:15.22 | cmf | yeah, kynaptic |
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| 14:15.38 | rob^ | so what happen to kynaptic? |
| 14:15.55 | cmf | anyways, that's nort the issue, just trying to see if there's a way of remaking the list of installed pkg's or if i can just reinstall all teh pkg's without a system reinstall? |
| 14:15.57 | asg | rob^: it probably crashed and didn't clean its lockfile |
| 14:16.07 | cmf | asg: yep |
| 14:16.08 | pulu | Egrom: try version 1 ssh instead of version 2 or vs. versa, otherwise add -vvv to your command line and see what the last things are that confuse it |
| 14:16.09 | rob^ | thats what I'm thinking |
| 14:16.24 | cmf | google hasn't thrown up much at all |
| 14:16.27 | valdyn_ | rob^: in this case, not really, the lock file is there even if no one uses it |
| 14:16.39 | Egrom | pulu: ok. thanx |
| 14:17.05 | rob^ | valdyn_, kynaptic obviously crashed and didn't clear the lock file |
| 14:17.19 | logge | Does anyone know what "ld: drivers/scsi/qla2xxx/built-in.o: No such file" means when compilling my 2.6.11 kernel!?! |
| 14:17.32 | takatumi | why are you rambling on about the lock file? pointless now. |
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| 14:17.49 | pulu | logge: it means that the file you mentioned isn't there to be linked |
| 14:17.49 | valdyn_ | rob^: yes, but i mean: if you run apt-get properly, and it ends cleanly, lock file will remain there |
| 14:17.51 | cmf | yep, kynaptic crashed, i manually intended to rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock, slip of fingers meant i removed /var/lib/dpkg and now i mhave a deaded system |
| 14:18.11 | asg | cmf: you need to backup your volatile data and reinstall; while you might be able to attempt to reinstall packages based on /usr/share/doc entries, it isn't clean and will likely take a long time. |
| 14:18.12 | Othello | logge ... did you run out of disk space? |
| 14:18.16 | logge | pulu: I figured it out but I don |
| 14:18.19 | drac | logge: you have good reason compiling qla2xxxx scsi driver? |
| 14:18.30 | valdyn_ | cmf: look at /var/backups/ |
| 14:18.41 | xk | Egrom: did you modify hosts.allow/deny? |
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| 14:18.48 | asg | dpkg: don't do that |
| 14:18.49 | dpkg | Look at me, I'm dpkg woot! |
| 14:18.53 | pulu | logge: I would take the module out if you don't need it, and compile again |
| 14:19.06 | rixth | Yes yes, just wanted to feel the thrill. |
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| 14:19.13 | Egrom | xk: those are standrs (have not changed in them) |
| 14:19.13 | cmf | dpkg.status.0? |
| 14:19.29 | valdyn_ | cmf: why you would "rm -rf" to remove a *single* file is beyond me though ) |
| 14:19.39 | cmf | valdyn_: force of habbit |
| 14:19.48 | rob^ | hmm |
| 14:19.50 | logge | pulu: i dont know how to get it out... I've tried to uncomment it in the .config |
| 14:20.01 | rob^ | cmf: good luck |
| 14:20.04 | cmf | thanks |
| 14:20.07 | rob^ | I'm going to bed |
| 14:20.11 | rob^ | night all |
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| 14:20.16 | pulu | logge: did you make clean or even make distclean after you removed it? |
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| 14:20.38 | logge | pulu: none of it... Maybe i should... |
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| 14:22.05 | xk | Egrom: is there any reason after the permission denied? |
| 14:22.22 | Egrom | xk: no |
| 14:22.33 | valdyn_ | cmf: you loose a few things still, not much at all, but im not sure to restore those w/o reinstalling every single package |
| 14:22.36 | Egrom | but I have not tryed -vvv yet |
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| 14:22.43 | xk | Egrom: what kernel is the debian box running? |
| 14:22.53 | xk | where (what machine) are you ssh'ing from? |
| 14:23.04 | Egrom | xk: don't know really.. think it's a 2.* |
| 14:23.25 | Egrom | an ibook (OS X) on the LAN |
| 14:23.27 | xk | well... guessing means nothing. |
| 14:23.39 | Egrom | uh? |
| 14:23.42 | xk | need correct info before I can say what might be problem. |
| 14:23.44 | pulu | Egrom: ssh -1 didn't work? |
| 14:23.53 | nagual | i know this is the wrong forum for it, but will anyone here trade some help with dreamweaver for something? a bj maybe? |
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| 14:24.19 | Egrom | pulu: have not tryed yet... I have to disconnect this machine from the Internet to try that... and I had to read some stuff first.. |
| 14:24.45 | pulu | nagual: someone will |
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| 14:24.56 | Egrom | xk: understand that... but I can't tell ya until I have succeeded witht the ssh-login =) |
| 14:25.27 | xk | is telnetd running? |
| 14:25.30 | Rebecca | hi. is ia64 the right build to use for an AMD 64 chip? |
| 14:25.32 | Egrom | no |
| 14:25.32 | xk | nmap it ;) |
| 14:25.38 | xk | Rebecca: amd64 |
| 14:25.43 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: no, /msg dpkg amd64 |
| 14:25.57 | xk | ia64 is for itanium |
| 14:26.06 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: nm, dpkg is dead |
| 14:26.06 | Rebecca | ok |
| 14:26.22 | Egrom | thanx for the help... will try something now :P |
| 14:26.36 | pulu | is anyone here using amd64? i got a server with a 64bit xeon unexpectedly and i thought about trying it but i was in a hurry |
| 14:26.40 | valdyn_ | Rebecca: #debian-amd64 and http://users.idf.de/~fs/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 14:26.45 | xk | google for that ssh error returns nothing useful |
| 14:26.49 | xk | goes to show no one has bothered to solve it. |
| 14:26.55 | MobyTurbo | pulu: /msg apt amd64 |
| 14:27.02 | nagual | well, i have this dreamweaver template, and it says 'edit this png in order to change your buttons' etc, can i do this in dreamweaver or do i need ps or something? |
| 14:27.07 | nagual | (sorry for being offtopic) |
| 14:27.10 | Rebecca | valdyn_: thanks |
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| 14:27.53 | valdyn_ | pulu: debians amd64 is sid, so im not sure if you want to use it. But if its just for trying first.. |
| 14:28.06 | newtrouble | nagaul: use the gimp |
| 14:28.15 | MobyTurbo | why do people think this channel is #allquestionsananswered instead of debian? |
| 14:28.31 | MobyTurbo | bleah, bad spelling |
| 14:28.35 | redduck666 | when trying to compile the kernel i get an error http://www.pastebin.com/263304 what packages do i need to install, to make kernel compile smoothly? |
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| 14:28.56 | valdyn_ | redduck666: ideally you avoid compiling it alltogether |
| 14:29.03 | asg | redduck666: install the -dev version of those packages |
| 14:29.06 | xk | redduck666: I prefer to use menuconfig |
| 14:29.11 | xk | actually, oldconfig rather. |
| 14:29.35 | valdyn_ | redduck666: oh and last time i checked gconfig was better avoided too |
| 14:30.04 | MobyTurbo | redduck666: gconfig is considered experimental. Try menuconfig or if you must xconfig |
| 14:30.35 | abrotman | MobyTurbo: because we're smart and we answer people |
| 14:31.00 | redduck666 | MobyTurbo, in xconfig i get some error and last night i was asking about it on this chanel and i was told to use gconfig |
| 14:31.10 | sh0rt | about dreamweaver? |
| 14:31.14 | MobyTurbo | redduck666: then someone gave you the wrong answer. |
| 14:31.21 | redduck666 | valdyn_, the debain kernel doesn't seem to get on with my ethernet card driver |
| 14:31.32 | takatumi | redduck666: menuconfig doesn't cut it? |
| 14:31.33 | xk | what ethernet card? |
| 14:31.48 | valdyn_ | redduck666: why does it not? why should recompiling fix it? |
| 14:31.52 | abrotman | why the hell would you make gconfig ? |
| 14:31.52 | redduck666 | realtek |
| 14:31.56 | xk | lol @ realtek |
| 14:32.02 | abrotman | use menuconfig .. that's why god made it |
| 14:32.09 | sh0rt | whatis gconfig? |
| 14:32.18 | valdyn_ | redduck666: realtek is a company, they produce various chipsets. |
| 14:32.19 | xk | realtek is what you should _avoid at all cost_ |
| 14:32.20 | abrotman | sh0rt: gtk interface to kernel configuring |
| 14:32.20 | asg | sh0rt: a gtk frontend for compiling your kernel |
| 14:32.27 | sh0rt | oh |
| 14:32.28 | MobyTurbo | sh0rt: gtk interface to configure that doesn't work |
| 14:32.30 | asg | s/compiling/configuring/ |
| 14:32.35 | redduck666 | valdyn_, because my nic worked fine in fedora and works fine in 2.4.27 |
| 14:32.39 | sh0rt | obviously |
| 14:32.52 | xk | redduck666: 100mbit or gige? |
| 14:32.52 | valdyn_ | redduck666: debian supplies a 2.4.27, it works with that one? |
| 14:33.10 | redduck666 | xk, 100mbit |
| 14:33.10 | asg | ~realtek |
| 14:33.12 | apt | hmm... realtek is crap |
| 14:33.13 | valmet-- | how do i change keyboard layout? |
| 14:33.13 | abrotman | laggy!! |
| 14:33.13 | abrotman | ~hi |
| 14:33.14 | apt | hello, abrotman |
| 14:33.14 | newtrouble | redduck666: use modconf to find the driver |
| 14:33.15 | asg | bah |
| 14:33.27 | cmf | valdyn_: thanks for teh help, i'm just going to reinstall |
| 14:33.28 | abrotman | laggy!!! |
| 14:33.41 | redduck666 | newtrouble, i can load the driver, it is 8139too but i can't get my ethernet card to work |
| 14:33.59 | xk | so what happens when it doesn't work? |
| 14:34.00 | valdyn_ | cmf: i agree thats probably safest. |
| 14:34.06 | cmf | yeps |
| 14:34.14 | cmf | i've only had it installed a day, no losses |
| 14:34.18 | redduck666 | valmet--, kmenu -->control center |
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| 14:34.28 | abrotman | reinstall? |
| 14:34.35 | Rawplayer | vrolijk pasen en dikke eieren |
| 14:34.43 | valmet-- | redduck666 dont have x |
| 14:34.50 | redduck666 | xk, from what i understood when people were helping me the packsets just won't leave my machine |
| 14:34.53 | newtrouble | redduck666: have u used modconf trying to load driver? |
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| 14:35.01 | Mombos | ive got my server working near perfect, email etc, but i dont have a smtp server setup, it is easy to setup in postfix |
| 14:35.06 | redduck666 | newtrouble, nope |
| 14:35.07 | xk | redduck666: firewalled? got the cable plugged in? |
| 14:35.07 | valdyn_ | redduck666: debian has various kernels, if its _really_ a kernel issue then you can try the various images from sid ( but yet i doubt that ) |
| 14:35.10 | sh0rt | Rawplayer: english? |
| 14:35.14 | Mombos | or can i get it to just relay the email i send through an external smtp server |
| 14:35.31 | newtrouble | then run modconf |
| 14:35.32 | Mombos | when i put the server ip into smtp to send a email from my pc i get a relay denied message |
| 14:35.33 | newtrouble | redduck666:^ |
| 14:35.46 | arnaldo | need help knoppix sound server |
| 14:35.52 | asg | arnaldo: #knoppix |
| 14:35.58 | redduck666 | xk, not firewalled, cable pluged in. when i boot in 2.4.27 everything works fine in debian kernel 2.6.8 it doesn't |
| 14:36.13 | arnaldo | ok. |
| 14:36.17 | asg | Mombos: if postfix offers an option to use a smarthost, do that and point it to your isp's smtp server. |
| 14:36.31 | Mombos | let me have a look |
| 14:36.35 | pulu | redduck666: try and start the system with noapic and see if it works then... that's a common problem with realtek cards i've seen |
| 14:36.48 | redduck666 | newtrouble, i do that by executing #modconfig |
| 14:36.50 | redduck666 | newtrouble, i do that by executing #modconfig? |
| 14:37.08 | redduck666 | pulu, what is noaptic? |
| 14:37.17 | newtrouble | redduck666:type modconf as su |
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| 14:37.44 | pulu | noapic, it's a kernel boot option |
| 14:38.04 | redduck666 | when i boot i have two options usual and recovery mode |
| 14:38.16 | redduck666 | is noaptic recovery mode? |
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| 14:38.24 | valdyn_ | xLobeznox: dont do that |
| 14:38.29 | asg | xLobeznox: a good selection |
| 14:38.39 | xLobeznox | sorry |
| 14:38.40 | idnar | redduck666: it's 'noapic' not 'noaptic', I believe, and recovery mode is not likely to include 'noapic' |
| 14:39.05 | asg | Mombos: I don't use postfix so I don't know. Perhaps someone else knows. Just ask in channel. |
| 14:39.05 | redduck666 | idnar, how do i boot in noapic |
| 14:39.10 | Mombos | ok |
| 14:39.16 | xk | redduck666: lilo or grub? |
| 14:39.23 | redduck666 | xk, grub |
| 14:39.29 | Mombos | any idea what option in postfix that would be in? to setup relaying for smtp server# |
| 14:39.41 | xk | redduck666: "e" then ' noapic' after the line. |
| 14:39.48 | xk | enter, b to boot. |
| 14:40.01 | llama32 | will dpkg still install a .deb if it is named something different? ie if i renamed a .deb 1.deb, will it still work properly? |
| 14:40.09 | gnufan | It is time.... to upgrade to 2.6 to get some new toys to work as well as possible. If I want a really recent Debian kernel version whats the best way with Debian? Will "kernel-package" make-kpkg work with 2.6.11 and will it likely play nicely with testing and developing software? |
| 14:40.12 | asg | llama32: it should |
| 14:40.24 | ejka | Mombos: Use relayhost param in config |
| 14:40.24 | llama32 | thx ask |
| 14:40.30 | llama32 | thx asg too :) |
| 14:40.36 | xk | gnufan: custom/non-stock 2.6.11 kernel works fine here on sarge. |
| 14:40.39 | Mombos | masters.cf? |
| 14:40.44 | pulu | Mombos: make sure you have mynetworks set right, and then the parameter for main.cf is named relayhost |
| 14:40.47 | redduck666 | thanks for the help guys now i'm going to reboot to try noapic and modconfig |
| 14:40.49 | sh0rt | llama32: why did you rename it, out of interest |
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| 14:40.55 | newtrouble | gnufan: use aptitude |
| 14:41.08 | Mombos | k ill have a look |
| 14:41.11 | xk | gnufan: but debian does provide compiled 2.6.x kernel you know. |
| 14:41.13 | newtrouble | gnufan, if your using grub |
| 14:41.15 | ejka | Mombos: You probably would also need to read SASL_README in |
| 14:41.16 | ejka | postfix-doc package if there are auth required |
| 14:42.39 | gnufan | xk: I know it does stock 2.6 kernels, I think they are all 2.6.8, and I have a box that required "non-stock" at 2.4. |
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| 14:43.31 | valdyn_ | debian kernels arent "stock" kernels |
| 14:43.38 | gilles | i have got the following error msg when running startx: screen(s) found, but non have a usable configuration. What can I do ? |
| 14:43.51 | xk | valdyn_: what else can they be called? |
| 14:44.06 | xk | distro-provided kernel? |
| 14:44.10 | valdyn_ | xk: debian kernels? |
| 14:44.13 | valdyn_ | xk: yea |
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| 14:44.21 | gnufan | xk: I've done upgrades to 2.6 with stock kernels, just since prefering Debian never wanted a non-stock kernel at 2.6... guess I should go see what is in the stock kernel. |
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| 14:44.53 | lizsac | has anyone made a pkg for perl-5.8.6 ? |
| 14:45.02 | FieldySnuts | snicker |
| 14:45.22 | asg | milky wa |
| 14:45.26 | xk | ravenbird: info perl |
| 14:45.30 | FieldySnuts | 3 musketican'tspellthat |
| 14:45.50 | asg | FieldySnuts: musketeer |
| 14:46.20 | asg | FieldySnuts: http://www.clickpix.de/osterbilder/computer.jpg |
| 14:46.28 | FieldySnuts | i know better than to go to image urls here heh |
| 14:46.42 | lizsac | i did a make and make test, before i did a make install i thought about it |
| 14:46.44 | asg | FieldySnuts: this is one linked from p.d.o |
| 14:46.48 | FieldySnuts | @lart sussudio |
| 14:46.49 | xk | hehe |
| 14:46.50 | lizsac | and maybe it's better if i do a deb pkg |
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| 14:47.48 | clojster | how can I determine grub harddisk number (If system recognize it as hdg3)? |
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| 14:48.05 | asg | clojster: (6,2) |
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| 14:48.16 | Levian | Hello |
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| 14:48.20 | lizsac | you can get grub to list devices can't you? |
| 14:48.37 | clojster | asg: how did u find out? |
| 14:48.41 | Levian | I just installed debian and want to use it as a server running mysql apache and php |
| 14:48.56 | asg | clojster: grub is zero based so g = 7 - 1 |
| 14:48.57 | xk | a=0, 1=0. increment it. |
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| 14:49.05 | asg | clojster: partition 3 is 2 in grub, and so on. |
| 14:49.11 | Levian | when I try php though the webbrowser wants to save the page as a file |
| 14:49.26 | clojster | asg: oh, thanks a lot |
| 14:49.28 | asg | Levian: read /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian{.gz} and make sure you followed all directions. |
| 14:49.29 | Levian | is there a apt-get package I need to install to get apache running with php properly? |
| 14:49.35 | Levian | okay, thanks |
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| 14:49.55 | hgoesm | hey i cannot connect via ssh to a computer in my network a friend of mine said me i have to delete someting in .ssh/known_host. i forgot what??? help me |
| 14:50.05 | asg | Levian: make sure you have libapache{2}-mod-php4 |
| 14:50.09 | PerfDave | hgoesm: Read the error that ssh gives you. |
| 14:50.09 | xk | hgoesm: what is the error message. |
| 14:50.21 | hgoesm | mom |
| 14:50.31 | Levian | I have apache 1.3 |
| 14:50.32 | xk | probably that the host is changed. "yes" to ignore. |
| 14:50.38 | xk | er, host's ssh key |
| 14:50.42 | Levian | and tried getting libapache-mod-php4 |
| 14:50.42 | asg | Levian: then libapache-mod-php4, php4 |
| 14:50.47 | Levian | but it told me the package was not found |
| 14:50.50 | PerfDave | hgoesm: It could of course be that somebody's rooted the machine, or yours. |
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| 14:51.01 | asg | Levian: what debian version? |
| 14:51.14 | asg | @info libapache-mod-php4 sarge |
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| 14:51.33 | hgoesm | look in #flood there is the message |
| 14:51.39 | hgoesm | or better the error |
| 14:51.40 | xk | what's the point of these backup bots if they don't have the debian module running? |
| 14:51.48 | asg | xk: yeah :/ |
| 14:51.57 | ruzbeh | dpkg has died |
| 14:51.59 | rixth | How do I create .debs? |
| 14:52.01 | Levian | Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 r4 "Woody" |
| 14:52.02 | ruzbeh | he's not answering my stuff |
| 14:52.09 | asg | ruzbeh: yes, he's dead |
| 14:52.26 | PerfDave | !n-m rixth |
| 14:52.31 | ruzbeh | asg, when is he coming back! i need some answers |
| 14:52.31 | PerfDave | Oh, dpkg is dead. |
| 14:52.37 | DuckTales | haha, what a funny codename |
| 14:52.41 | DuckTales | woody |
| 14:52.45 | PerfDave | @n-m rixth |
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| 14:52.57 | ruzbeh | DuckTales, the next version is "Boner" |
| 14:53.03 | xk | heh |
| 14:53.03 | FieldySnuts | @hump PerfDave |
| 14:53.05 | dragonbyte | does anyone have a fix for this eggdesktopentries.c crap? |
| 14:53.06 | Levian | well, any idea why the libapache packages are gone? =/ |
| 14:53.16 | PerfDave | @hump FieldySnuts |
| 14:53.24 | FieldySnuts | bleh |
| 14:53.30 | PerfDave | !tell hgoesm -about msg |
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| 14:53.34 | asg | Levian: I think it's just the php4 package in woody |
| 14:53.41 | lizsac | i don't even know how to make a package for the new perl. Is there any docs on the making of the pkg is it the same as creating any other debian package? |
| 14:53.44 | FieldySnuts | what's the difference between -about and about |
| 14:53.48 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: dpkg is down I think |
| 14:53.55 | xk | FieldySnuts: -about doesn't echo to you. |
| 14:53.57 | asg | Levian: do read the README.Debian in /usr/share/doc/php4 to see what edits you need to make to /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 14:54.00 | FieldySnuts | xk: ah, handy |
| 14:54.14 | Levian | dont I need the package still though? |
| 14:54.15 | PerfDave | xk, FieldySnuts: -about just tells you that the bot delivered the factoid, not what the factodi is. |
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| 14:54.24 | FieldySnuts | useful for -about gay |
| 14:54.36 | idnar | heh |
| 14:54.38 | asg | Levian: the php4 package, yes. Woody doesn't have a libapache-mod-php4 package. |
| 14:54.44 | PerfDave | Bah, dpkg needs to be made more reliable. |
| 14:54.53 | FieldySnuts | pay who's running it :P |
| 14:55.00 | rixth | PerfDave, http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html :) |
| 14:55.02 | asg | PerfDave: well, don, debhelper, et. al. finally came back. dpkg just hasn't. |
| 14:55.04 | idnar | PerfDave: yeah, it needs to run on a fully redundant cluster of machines |
| 14:55.21 | gnufan | xp: thanks for the tips - discover I need >2.6.9 so I guess bespoke it is. |
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| 14:56.20 | PerfDave | rixth: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#maint-guide |
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| 14:57.22 | xk | hrm... dpkg might come back in 3 minutes. |
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| 14:57.43 | ruzbeh | I want dpkg to be less.... well... conservative |
| 14:57.52 | asg | dpkg: don't fucking do that |
| 14:57.57 | ruzbeh | everything new is basically crap, like udev and 2.6 kernel |
| 14:58.02 | dpkg | sorry :P |
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| 14:58.13 | ruzbeh | dpkg, hi |
| 14:58.20 | ruzbeh | X_X |
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| 14:58.46 | pulu | time for bed |
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| 14:58.48 | ruzbeh | resiak, i mean that dpkg thinks everything new is crap, like udev |
| 14:58.56 | Levian | maybe I should try sarge instead? it dosent seem like apache 2 is avalible in woody either |
| 14:59.15 | asg | Levian: no, apache2 isn't available in woody. There are backports (backports.org) |
| 14:59.16 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 14:59.36 | Levian | but sarge has all these packages? |
| 14:59.36 | ruzbeh | i just -love- apt-get |
| 14:59.40 | notdpkg | Levian: warning, the apache2 in sarge is configured very differently than the old apache.. |
| 14:59.41 | resiak | ruzbeh: Well, people generally make factoids when they're pissed off with something. |
| 14:59.41 | Levian | sorry, kind of new to all this |
| 14:59.41 | Levian | =) |
| 14:59.45 | asg | Levian: yes, apache2 is in sarge |
| 14:59.52 | abrotman | and apache1 |
| 15:00.13 | Levian | configured differently? what do you mean? |
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| 15:01.49 | redduck666 | i was on this channel few minutes ago. i was advised to execute modconfig as root, but my bash prompt says unknown command |
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| 15:01.56 | newtrouble | redduck666, anything work? |
| 15:01.58 | xk | modconf |
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| 15:02.16 | xk | no one said to use modconfig |
| 15:02.20 | drac | redduck666: apt-get install modconf (if you don't have it.) |
| 15:02.39 | newtrouble | redduck666, apt-get install modconf |
| 15:02.59 | redduck666 | xk, tryed that too. i guess i have to install it first |
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| 15:04.42 | redduck666 | the other thing i was advised is to boot in noapic. when grub starts i pressed 'e' what am i supposed to do than? adding noapic to the line 'root (0,4) doesn't seem to work. creating new line 'noapic' also doesn't seem to work. any help appriciated |
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| 15:05.09 | newtrouble | redduck666, try modconf first |
| 15:05.16 | xk | so it doesn't show you the kernel line? |
| 15:05.19 | redduck666 | ok |
| 15:05.23 | xk | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.24 | xk | like that? |
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| 15:05.36 | resiak | !tell paulswm -about wieb |
| 15:05.38 | redduck666 | xk, that is second or third line |
| 15:05.45 | xk | redduck666: that is the line you need to modify. |
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| 15:06.08 | paulswm | resiak: dpkg is indisposed |
| 15:06.17 | redduck666 | xk, should i add at the end 'noapic'? |
| 15:06.19 | resiak | paulswm: I noticed :) |
| 15:06.23 | xk | I forgot that you are given hte option which line to edit if you have more than one ;) |
| 15:06.28 | xk | redduck666: yes. |
| 15:06.38 | xk | but don't quote me that I said it should work :) |
| 15:06.40 | redduck666 | xk thanks |
| 15:06.44 | xk | I _hate_ realtek. |
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| 15:07.24 | redduck666 | xk, when i bought that nic i was only a windoze n00b, now i am a linux n00b and know my way around windoze |
| 15:07.56 | redduck666 | just installed modconf, so going to try it. thanks for the help fellas |
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| 15:09.43 | Levian | lolol |
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| 15:10.26 | sh0rt | whats going on, dpkg is called rixth |
| 15:10.52 | asg | sh0rt: dpkg quit, then the morons decided to be cute. |
| 15:11.12 | sh0rt | asg: assholes |
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| 15:12.15 | paulswm | Assholes in #debian! Hold the front page! Film at 11! |
| 15:12.19 | paulswm | :P |
| 15:12.23 | sh0rt | he |
| 15:13.14 | grivell | paulswm: I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes ;) |
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| 15:13.41 | debian | xk: are you still managing apt bot? |
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| 15:13.57 | asg | ~who owns you |
| 15:13.58 | apt | TimRiker does |
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| 15:14.11 | paulswm | grivell: You're in a bar? <g> |
| 15:14.27 | Trev_ | apt-get install asshole |
| 15:14.40 | sh0rt | Trev_: you want two? |
| 15:14.42 | grivell | paulswm: Trying to give up alcohol. |
| 15:14.54 | paulswm | 'aptitude purge asshole' sounds kind of nasty |
| 15:14.57 | grivell | paulswm: But I would be if I could be. |
| 15:15.06 | Trev_ | apt-get --purge remove asshole |
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| 15:15.19 | Trev_ | it ain't working ?? |
| 15:15.22 | asg | E: Couldn't find package asshole |
| 15:15.28 | Trev_ | rofl |
| 15:15.35 | sh0rt | purge has to hard without an asshole |
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| 15:15.55 | paulswm | grivell: Your remark reminded me of a joke: What's the difference between a proctologist and a bertener? A proctologist only has to look at one asshole at a time. |
| 15:16.03 | kicknick | hi |
| 15:16.04 | paulswm | bartender |
| 15:16.04 | grivell | dpkg -l assholes |
| 15:16.04 | grivell | No packages found matching assholes. |
| 15:16.15 | grivell | What does dpkg know :) |
| 15:16.22 | kicknick | i have a problem with my cgi-bin it dont seem to be working :( |
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| 15:16.36 | asg | kicknick: try #apache |
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| 15:22.19 | DebUser | I want to change the general info of a prompt. I don't seem to have a man page for "prompt", is there anything I should look into? |
| 15:22.22 | sh0rt | !love |
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| 15:22.43 | sh0rt | shit still broken |
| 15:22.51 | mph | hi. Does anyone know of a development package similar to kdevelop, but written for gnome which I can get using apt-get? |
| 15:23.07 | grivell | mph: glade |
| 15:23.07 | jan__ | DebUser: cat .bashrc , if PS1= is what you mean , not sure though :) |
| 15:23.10 | mph | DebUser is you're using bash, try info bash |
| 15:23.17 | kicknick | :'( |
| 15:23.18 | mph | grivell thanks |
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| 15:23.23 | kicknick | no1 is helping in apche :( |
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| 15:23.42 | Trev_ | I got to go.. but try aliases.. http.conf |
| 15:23.43 | abrotman | DebUser: i think you want man bash .... about PS1 .. i think |
| 15:23.58 | abrotman | kicknick: do you know english? |
| 15:24.11 | mph | the info page has a huge section on changing the prompt and what the different values are, as I remember |
| 15:24.14 | jan__ | abrotman: exactly what i'm saying! :) |
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| 15:24.52 | grivell | apt, ne1 |
| 15:24.53 | apt | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you |
| 15:24.54 | kicknick | i am speaking english :S |
| 15:25.05 | giansalvo | mph: anjuta? |
| 15:25.07 | grivell | apt, no1 |
| 15:25.21 | kicknick | sorry :( |
| 15:25.28 | mph | giansalvo what? |
| 15:25.40 | kicknick | can anyone help me with my cgi-bin issue plz? |
| 15:25.48 | abrotman | ~plz |
| 15:25.49 | apt | hmm... plz is german abbreviation for 'Postleitzahl' (zip-code). this aint a warez channel L33t-speak for "please", or don't type it |
| 15:25.49 | DebUser | Alright thanks guys |
| 15:25.51 | abrotman | bah |
| 15:25.54 | grivell | s'k, ev-re-1 m@k3s that mistake ;) |
| 15:26.04 | kicknick | please***** |
| 15:26.22 | mph | I don't know cgi, personally. sorry. |
| 15:26.29 | abrotman | define doesn't work |
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| 15:26.51 | grivell | kicknick: Do you have ExecCGI set? |
| 15:27.13 | kicknick | i am trying to run cgi:irc and have also put some test scripts into the cgi-bin and none of them seem to work |
| 15:27.25 | kicknick | not as far as i know grivell |
| 15:27.26 | giansalvo | mph: dpkg -l anjuta "A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++" |
| 15:27.57 | mph | giansalvo oh! I was being dense, sorry! Thank you very much! :) |
| 15:28.50 | __DL__ | hello |
| 15:28.53 | kicknick | am i right in thinking the cgi-bin is localta usr/lib/cgi-bin/ |
| 15:29.01 | kicknick | located* |
| 15:29.31 | __DL__ | Does someone know how to forbid application to use ipv6 ? |
| 15:29.42 | xk | __DL__: downgrade it to ipv4 only? |
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| 15:30.12 | __DL__ | Well, yes and how to I do that simply (only lo know about ipv6) |
| 15:30.32 | mph | kicknick I think it's /var/www/cgi-bin actually |
| 15:30.40 | xk | or disable ipv6 (/etc/network/interface*);) |
| 15:30.48 | mph | and you want to poke around httpd.conf to figure out how to enable it. |
| 15:30.49 | kicknick | i have tried putting them in there and it doesn not work |
| 15:30.58 | abrotman | why not read the apache config file .. and find out where it expects it .. |
| 15:31.04 | mph | that's my best guess; sorry. :/ |
| 15:31.11 | kicknick | ok no problem |
| 15:31.15 | abrotman | then .. make sure you READ the apache docs at httpd.apache.org .. and learn how to make it work |
| 15:31.25 | kicknick | i will do thank you abrotman |
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| 15:31.44 | abrotman | or .. don't use cgi-bin ? |
| 15:31.57 | kicknick | i need ot use cgi-bin for the scripts :S |
| 15:32.00 | kicknick | to* |
| 15:32.06 | abrotman | the scripts? |
| 15:32.12 | grivell | Go to /etc/apache/sites-available/default and so forth. Add Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCGI to <Directory /var/www/> perhaps. |
| 15:32.13 | __DL__ | in my interface file I have only "iface lo inet loopback" as interface for lo (plus the auto stanza) |
| 15:32.19 | kicknick | cgi:irc needs the cgi-bin? |
| 15:32.25 | abrotman | grivell: that's for apache2 |
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| 15:32.45 | grivell | abrotman: Well who uses apache 1.x ;) |
| 15:32.53 | abrotman | grivell: i have one at work still :) |
| 15:32.53 | mwilson | abrotman: You know perfectly well he's not going to read it. |
| 15:32.58 | kicknick | i guess me :$ lol |
| 15:33.07 | mwilson | grivell: Many, many, many thousands of people. |
| 15:33.11 | abrotman | mwilson: not my problem .. if he doesn't read it .. that's his fault .. he could also ask #apache |
| 15:33.17 | grivell | mwilson: It was a joke. |
| 15:33.46 | mwilson | I think many people will until there's a convincing reason to use Apache 2.x |
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| 15:35.30 | mwilson | zoobie zoobie zoobie... |
| 15:36.04 | asg | rah rah rah |
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| 15:37.13 | abrotman | !wb dpkg |
| 15:37.18 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 15:37.25 | ruzbeh | thank god thank god |
| 15:38.01 | xk | dpkg! |
| 15:38.18 | mph | !dpkg |
| 15:38.18 | dpkg | [dpkg] the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
| 15:38.31 | kicknick | just to say yes i have read it and yes i have fixed it ty |
| 15:38.54 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:38.55 | mph | I'm gone; thanks for your help, guys |
| 15:38.58 | abrotman | !fishing |
| 15:38.58 | dpkg | from memory, fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
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| 15:40.44 | mwilson | Yeah, and then you find out that he forgot to bait the hook, or didn't have a pole, or even a boat. |
| 15:40.56 | DebUser | I have a gateway (IPCop) and general server (Debian), both have SSH. If I want to access them from the intranet, it's not a problem, because they have individual IPs. If however I want to access the two different boxes from outside the network, I'm stuck. What can I do? |
| 15:41.06 | asg | and then it turns out he's a vegetarian after all. |
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| 15:41.59 | valdyn_ | DebUser: whats the problem with accessing your gateway from the internet? |
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| 15:42.02 | asg | valdyn_: he left |
| 15:42.04 | mwilson | Have the gateway forward ssh on a different port to port 22 on the internal box. That's one way. |
| 15:42.22 | mwilson | valdyn_: No, he means that all you can see from outside is the single IP. |
| 15:42.37 | asg | mwilson: ssh -t gateway ssh -t debian (also) |
| 15:42.40 | valdyn_ | mwilson: yea, i wasnt trying to guess what he means |
| 15:43.06 | Ronin | valdyn_: its disabled by default on ipcop so that may be part of the problem |
| 15:43.07 | mwilson | asg: Yeah, I suppose. |
| 15:43.22 | asg | mwilson: he may have to authenticate twice but there are ways around that. |
| 15:43.29 | valdyn_ | Ronin: ssh port is closed by default in ipcop? |
| 15:43.40 | mwilson | asg: Why -t, though? |
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| 15:43.46 | Ronin | from the outside world yes, internally though its fine |
| 15:43.51 | Dull404 | lol...i just did... deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove --purge ... and didnt have deborphan..... aaaa... this is so funny, damn you debian why cant apt-get remove do the job!!! |
| 15:43.54 | Dull404 | :/ |
| 15:43.55 | asg | mwilson: to keep a tty around otherwise the second ssh won't work. |
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| 15:44.17 | kaner | i am trying to mount a external harddrive. its connected to usb port 1, which i normally can access via /dev/sda1. but i get "mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device"... any sugestions? |
| 15:44.34 | pluto | action:jump |
| 15:44.57 | mwilson | asg: Hm, you're right. But only the first -t is necessary. |
| 15:45.00 | Dull404 | if i was a better coder i would rewrite apt-get .... |
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| 15:45.09 | asg | mwilson: yes, the second was spurious. |
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| 15:45.15 | abrotman | kaner: attempt /dev/sda |
| 15:45.16 | mwilson | asg: You know, I'd never thought of doing things that way... I just forward to an internal box. |
| 15:45.38 | kaner | abrotman: already tried that. doesnt work either. |
| 15:45.40 | mwilson | Dull404: Why would you re-write apt-get? It does exactly what it's supposed to do. |
| 15:45.40 | asg | mwilson: I usually just use poor man's vpn (pppd over ssh) but have done that in a pinch. |
| 15:46.05 | abrotman | yay |
| 15:46.09 | mwilson | Dull404: apt-get is only a demo tool for libapt... it's not supposed to be a package management tool. |
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| 15:46.53 | mwilson | asg: Too bad that wouldn't work for scp. |
| 15:47.19 | asg | mwilson: yeah |
| 15:47.29 | phogg | mwilson: nevermind what it was intended to be, it is a package management tool in the real world |
| 15:47.41 | mwilson | phogg: Except that it's not, of course. |
| 15:47.51 | phogg | mwilson: of course. |
| 15:48.09 | Dull404 | mwilson, so debian doesnt have a package tool then? |
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| 15:48.25 | Dull404 | mwilson, i mean a package manager..... |
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| 15:48.31 | FieldySnuts | @troll Dull404 |
| 15:48.33 | [sr] | hi |
| 15:48.39 | [sr] | where can i get a nice how to |
| 15:48.40 | Dull404 | haha |
| 15:48.45 | [sr] | to enable ssl suporte on apache2 ? |
| 15:48.46 | mwilson | Dull404: It doesn't? Wow... you've done away with dselect, aptitude, synaptic, and etc all with one shot. Were you going to tell anyone? |
| 15:48.49 | [sr] | in debian way |
| 15:49.03 | valdyn_ | Dull404: dselect |
| 15:49.08 | Penix | [sr]: probably off a computer connected to the internet |
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| 15:49.11 | asg | [sr]: read /usr/share/doc/apache2* (ssl support comes with apachew) |
| 15:49.13 | Dull404 | mwilson, i mean, to remove meta packages! |
| 15:49.28 | asg | s/ew/e2/ |
| 15:49.29 | [sr] | Penix funny boy |
| 15:49.30 | Dull404 | ravenbird, a troll? |
| 15:49.31 | FieldySnuts | geez removing those isn't hard, you remove the components they install. |
| 15:49.32 | ravenbird | i don't know, Dull404 |
| 15:49.44 | mwilson | Dull404: I wasn't aware that you'd altered all the package managers to not be allowed to remove meta-packages. |
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| 15:50.02 | mwilson | Dull404: You really need to tell people these things. |
| 15:50.10 | dinocore | could anyone tell me how debian updates? |
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| 15:50.16 | FieldySnuts | so much for change management |
| 15:50.23 | dinocore | does it do something sinular to gentoo's emerge sync? |
| 15:50.42 | Dull404 | mwilson, *g* it would be convenient if apt-get remove, also did remove all dependencies... but it leaves the orphans behind |
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| 15:50.47 | FieldySnuts | gentoo's emerge sync only updates it's tree of available software, doesn't actually isntall anything |
| 15:50.50 | valdyn_ | dinocore: man apt-get |
| 15:50.57 | stew | dinocore: read the apt-howto |
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| 15:51.03 | dinocore | i dont have debian |
| 15:51.07 | dinocore | i gots gentoo |
| 15:51.09 | mwilson | Dull404: Why would it? It's not supposed to do that. Instead, use a package manager. |
| 15:51.10 | phogg | dinocore: since today we are agreed that apt-get isn't for package management, certainly don'y do apt-get upgrade |
| 15:51.14 | stew | dinocore: you have google, right? |
| 15:51.28 | dinocore | i do |
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| 15:51.42 | dinocore | but i figured that you are all debian geeks |
| 15:51.44 | valdyn_ | dinocore: what does emerge sync do? |
| 15:51.49 | mwilson | phogg: After all, we *all* know that the *only* way you can ever update a Debian box is with apt-get. |
| 15:51.50 | dinocore | so you could tell me from the source |
| 15:51.52 | Dull404 | mwilson, synaptic doesnt remove deps.... at least it didnt work for me :/ |
| 15:51.55 | mwilson | </clueless> |
| 15:51.59 | abrotman | why the hell would it? |
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| 15:52.07 | abrotman | does it with any other damn distro? .. no |
| 15:52.23 | phogg | mwilson: not the only way, just the easiest way. I don't feel like trying to explain dselect. |
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| 15:52.48 | dinocore | valdyn_: emerge sync syncs the portage tree |
| 15:52.57 | FieldySnuts | many have tried, usually ending in disaster. the safe route is to let the user figure it out. trying to do it automatically leads to users bitching about "HEY IT REMOVED x y AND z!" |
| 15:53.03 | ulitz | can I install 2.6 kernel easily with debian sarge or does it require a 2.6? |
| 15:53.03 | dinocore | does debian compile source packages? |
| 15:53.04 | mwilson | phogg: Witness all the morons who manage to do something stupid with a low-level tool like apt-get... it's hardly the "easiest" way. |
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| 15:53.19 | abrotman | ulitz: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one you want .. install it |
| 15:53.20 | asg | ulitz: you can. it doesn't. |
| 15:53.24 | mwilson | dinocore: What do you care? |
| 15:53.28 | phogg | mwilson: okay, so easy until something breaks. |
| 15:53.45 | dinocore | im just wondering what the benifits of debian are |
| 15:53.48 | ulitz | sorry.. using fedora right now but going to reinstall debian |
| 15:53.54 | asg | dinocore: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 15:53.55 | Dull404 | valdyn_, thanks i didnt even know about dselect... :P |
| 15:53.59 | phogg | dinocore: you don't need to waut for te compile to finish |
| 15:54.00 | FieldySnuts | ulitz: poor thing :) |
| 15:54.02 | stew | dinocore: /msg dpkg apt-howto ; /msg dpkg why debian |
| 15:54.14 | phogg | s/waut/wait/ |
| 15:54.22 | dinocore | no i dont have debian |
| 15:54.24 | valdyn_ | dinocore: i suppose "apt-get update" is equivalent. |
| 15:54.26 | dinocore | im a gentoo user |
| 15:54.41 | asg | dinocore: /msg dpkg foo means /msg our bot for information |
| 15:54.54 | mwilson | dinocore: No, Debian doesn't compile source packages... didn't you know? Debian has a C interpreter that undoes the tarball(s) and runs it in real-time, like BASIC. |
| 15:55.10 | mwilson | dinocore: Don't ask clueless questions. |
| 15:55.41 | dinocore | why not ask clueless questions? |
| 15:55.47 | Dull404 | @troll FieldySnuts |
| 15:55.47 | dinocore | cuz i am clueless |
| 15:55.56 | Dull404 | ;-) |
| 15:55.58 | dinocore | and hoping for some answers |
| 15:56.12 | phogg | dinocore: cluelessness can be cured without asking clueless questions. |
| 15:56.18 | mwilson | dinocore: No, you're just another clueless Gentoobie. |
| 15:56.20 | valdyn_ | dinocore: message the bot and read it as you were told, then come back with clueful questions |
| 15:56.21 | phogg | dinocore: you've been given three answers. |
| 15:56.22 | asg | !tell dinocore about why debian |
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| 15:56.56 | Dull404 | mwilson, what do u use then? |
| 15:57.02 | FieldySnuts | @u |
| 15:57.03 | ravenbird | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1 or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 15:58.15 | Dull404 | FieldySnuts, @f |
| 15:58.17 | phogg | You is actually plural, not singular. Thou is singular. |
| 15:58.21 | komozo | do someone know the windows ISA server like tool wich allow us to update windows client ? |
| 15:58.24 | Dull404 | @f FieldySnuts |
| 15:58.25 | FieldySnuts | Dull404: stop talking at me |
| 15:58.34 | Dull404 | FieldySnuts, u started it |
| 15:58.35 | drac | hmm, the cartoon link in factoid "u" is dead, or at least not what it's supposed to be. |
| 15:58.37 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:58.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:58.38 | valdyn_ | !info wajig sarge |
| 15:58.39 | paulswm | !u |
| 15:58.41 | abrotman | fucking idiot |
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| 15:58.45 | asg | komozo: ? ISA is their attempt at a proxy server. |
| 15:58.45 | dpkg | wajig: (simplified Debian package management front end), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.24 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 15:58.53 | phogg | Dull404: do you know what a bot is? |
| 15:58.54 | FieldySnuts | could someone edit the "u" factoids (on all the bots) to remove the userfriendly.org url, it makes you look at an ad first. lame. |
| 15:59.06 | mwilson | Hm, I didn't know about that one. Curses front-end, or X? |
| 15:59.13 | Dull404 | phogg, oh he is a bot? haha lol |
| 15:59.25 | abrotman | !u |
| 15:59.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 15:59.26 | FieldySnuts | idiot filter successful. |
| 15:59.31 | abrotman | bah .. i just fucking change dit |
| 15:59.40 | b-_-d | what kde is in sarge |
| 15:59.42 | FieldySnuts | it makes you look at an ad for like 30 seconds first |
| 15:59.47 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: it's locked |
| 15:59.52 | FieldySnuts | cute. |
| 15:59.58 | asg | b-_-d: /msg dpkg info kde sarge |
| 16:00.06 | mwilson | b-_-d: Who cares? |
| 16:00.08 | FieldySnuts | i guess these days we lock spam into factoids. this factoid brougt to you by orbitz.com! |
| 16:00.21 | abrotman | asg: that is the metapackage i think |
| 16:00.29 | abrotman | b-_-d: 3.3.x |
| 16:00.31 | PerfDave | mwilson: It's reasonable to assume that b-_-d cares, since they were asking. |
| 16:00.40 | asg | abrotman: yeah |
| 16:00.48 | asg | b-_-d: /msg dpkg info kdebase sarge |
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| 16:01.12 | komozo | ok, wich proxy server can i use to do this ? |
| 16:01.25 | mwilson | Oh, that's interesting... how well does this integrate? |
| 16:01.28 | asg | komozo: squid is the definitive proxy for Unix land. |
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| 16:02.18 | Egrom | can you apt-get modules for NICs? or do you have to compile a new kernel? |
| 16:02.24 | mwilson | I will have to look at this one when I have a moment. |
| 16:02.37 | asg | mwilson: wajig? |
| 16:02.45 | mwilson | Egrom: What makes you think whatever kernel you're running doesn't already have support for the NIC? |
| 16:02.48 | mwilson | asg: Yeah. |
| 16:02.56 | valdyn_ | Egrom: which nick? |
| 16:02.59 | valdyn_ | Egrom: which nic? |
| 16:03.13 | asg | mwilson: almost looks like it came from the ubuntu folks. |
| 16:03.13 | Egrom | mwilson: cause it does not find it |
| 16:03.22 | valdyn_ | mwilson: i can tell that gjig looks fucking horrible, other than that, so far it feels just like apt-get |
| 16:03.34 | Egrom | valdyn_: don't know really.. but I think ne2000 or something will work =) |
| 16:03.35 | mwilson | Egrom: Find? What makes you think it even went looking for it? |
| 16:03.43 | Ferret | By the way, your 'gentoobie' just got himself kicked from #gentoo. Twit. |
| 16:03.54 | abrotman | who was that? |
| 16:03.55 | paulswm | Oh, that's funny |
| 16:03.56 | asg | Ferret: this isn't surprising |
| 16:04.02 | Egrom | mwilson: I have tryed the modules in /lib/modules/<kernel>/net |
| 16:04.09 | mwilson | Ferret: Wow... he must have been exceptionally stupid, then... they tolerate everyone. |
| 16:04.15 | paulswm | abrotman: dinocore, I think |
| 16:04.18 | valdyn_ | Egrom: ne2k support is included in any debian kernel ( ever ) |
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| 16:04.28 | [Elad] | hello all |
| 16:04.33 | Radiance | can some one point me to a .chm viewer for linux ? appreciate it greatly ! |
| 16:04.34 | phogg | When installing the bugzilla package I get this error: "DBD::mysql::db do failed: Access denied for user: 'debian-sys-maint@localhost' to database 'bugzilla' at /var/lib/dpkg/info/bugzilla.postinst line 304, <STDIN> line 2." I probably screwed it up by messing with things i shouldn't, but how do I unscrew it? |
| 16:04.52 | asg | Radiance: xchm |
| 16:04.52 | FieldySnuts | .chm really doesn't tell us anything, what are the files? |
| 16:04.54 | valdyn_ | Egrom: is it a ne2k compatible pci nic? |
| 16:04.57 | [Elad] | someone can tell me please how can I use screen?, if someone connect to my box, that he's need to write? |
| 16:04.58 | Egrom | valdyn_: is ne2k and ne2000 the same? thought that ne2000 was for ISA cards :/ |
| 16:05.06 | Radiance | asg, thanks matey |
| 16:05.08 | Egrom | valdyn_: I don't know |
| 16:05.09 | mwilson | Egrom: If you don't even know what the NIC is, the last thing you need to be worrying about is trying software at random looking for it to be supported. |
| 16:05.12 | abrotman | paulswm: i miss all the good stuf |
| 16:05.14 | abrotman | stuff |
| 16:05.16 | asg | Radiance: apt-cache search chm viewer (for other options.) |
| 16:05.26 | paulswm | abrotman: Oh, you weren't here |
| 16:05.34 | abrotman | paulswm: are you sure? |
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| 16:05.42 | mwilson | FieldySnuts: Compiled HTML... a Microsoft stupidity. |
| 16:05.45 | valdyn_ | Egrom: try "lspci | grep -i ethernet" |
| 16:05.54 | [Elad] | someone please? |
| 16:05.58 | Egrom | mwilson: hmmm If I don't remember wrong, I have used this card a long time ago.. and if I could se a list of modules maby I could remember which it was |
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| 16:06.04 | mwilson | [Elad]: man screen |
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| 16:06.18 | Egrom | valdyn_: will lspci find ISA-cards? |
| 16:06.27 | valdyn_ | Egrom: no |
| 16:06.32 | Egrom | ... |
| 16:06.33 | mwilson | Egrom: Or maybe you can actually look at the documentation for the card. Imagine that! |
| 16:06.46 | Denn- | debian-30r4-i386-binary-1_NONUS.iso <- what does the NONUS mean? |
| 16:06.52 | asg | !nonus |
| 16:06.53 | dpkg | [non-us] where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". |
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| 16:06.58 | paulswm | abrotman: I'm assuming, as you said you missed it, but it's from at least 1050 EST on, I was out before that |
| 16:06.58 | Egrom | mwilson: havn't found any yet.. |
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| 16:07.06 | valdyn_ | Egrom: i thougth you said you didnt know which it is ( pci or isa ) |
| 16:07.09 | abrotman | paulswm: i just lastlogged |
| 16:07.16 | Egrom | valdyn_: did I say so? |
| 16:07.26 | mwilson | Egrom: You mean you haven't looked, right? |
| 16:07.32 | valdyn_ | Egrom: does it matter now? no. |
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| 16:07.47 | valdyn_ | Egrom: which kernel are you running? ( uname -r ) |
| 16:08.02 | Egrom | mwilson: I'v tryed to look at the NIC and find some cind of identifyignumber or somthing like that, and did not |
| 16:08.13 | Egrom | 2.2.20 |
| 16:08.34 | FieldySnuts | Egrom: lspci (if it's a pci nic) will give you useful info |
| 16:08.43 | hogballs | i got debian sarge on my laptop now... i guess last night i picked the wrong resollutiuon for the screen size and now everything is in the middle of the screen. how do i reconfig my x resolution |
| 16:08.45 | Egrom | FieldySnuts: ok. but it's not |
| 16:08.49 | abrotman | paulswm: yay |
| 16:08.56 | FieldySnuts | Egrom: what isn't what |
| 16:09.03 | Egrom | FieldySnuts: PCI |
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| 16:09.17 | FieldySnuts | oh. no clue then, isa is an annoyance and a joke, sure hope you have pci |
| 16:09.22 | asg | !drxx hogballs |
| 16:09.23 | dpkg | hogballs: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
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| 16:09.44 | paulswm | Egrom: it's USB? |
| 16:09.52 | Egrom | paulswm: no |
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| 16:10.32 | Calin | I'm having problems with booting back into linux via the bootdisk i made |
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| 16:10.51 | Calin | I wrote down the boot options that I use to load the kerel i want, and i boot to the floppy, which loads the grub bootloader, i type it in and it starts loding linux, but it just stops in the middle of it |
| 16:10.56 | valdyn_ | Egrom: try modprobe ne ( iirc ), specify the correct irq and/or ioport ( modprobe ne io=0xwhatever irq=whatever ). If its a isa "pnp" card, then you might need isapnptools, if its some pnp bastard thing, you cant do much but google and experiment |
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| 16:12.06 | Calin | Is there anything else I can do? Like boot from a Live cd and do a grub-install on the partition i want to do that with? |
| 16:12.14 | \Igor\ | is it possible that a remote host has disabled publickey SSH authentication and only accepts password authentication? If so, can ssh-agent still be useful and store the password? |
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| 16:14.25 | abrotman | go jayhawks |
| 16:14.51 | peterS | jayhawks? they didn't like lose? |
| 16:15.05 | abrotman | heh |
| 16:15.12 | Ferret | \Igor\: First question is yes, it's an sshd configuration option. As for the second, that can be resolved by trying it. |
| 16:15.12 | GreenEye | I have a problem while loading a module (madwifi); it is compiled and shown in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-i686/kernel/drivers/net/ath_pci.ko, but if i do "modprobe ath_pci" it says: "module not found" |
| 16:15.15 | flexy | I've just rebooted after uptime over 140 days, the X session was open all that time. I used to use enlightenment, which was started by kdm and if I recall correctly, there was option to allow the usage of E. Well, not anymore, now options are just kde, gnome, xfce, but not E. How do I fix this? |
| 16:15.51 | valdyn_ | GreenEye: run "depmod -a" then try again |
| 16:15.53 | asg | GreenEye: run depmod -a ; try again |
| 16:16.10 | abrotman | depmod -a |
| 16:16.12 | abrotman | oh |
| 16:16.26 | \Igor\ | Ferret: well, what do I do to try? AFAIK, the ssh-add manpage doesn't say anything about host passwords, only key pass phrases |
| 16:16.28 | Ferret | The net's really laggy today. ;) |
| 16:16.40 | FieldySnuts | heh |
| 16:16.42 | mwilson | flexy: There's nothing broken. KDM (or GDM) has never provided a session file for E. |
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| 16:16.56 | lines | hallo debianer |
| 16:17.08 | Ferret | \Igor\: Well, that would lead to me deciding that ssh-add can't do it (and thus ssh-agent?). |
| 16:17.08 | FieldySnuts | hi |
| 16:17.10 | GreenEye | still the same problem |
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| 16:17.23 | tarzeau | dpkg german |
| 16:17.23 | dpkg | it has been said that german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 16:17.27 | mwilson | flexy: Run E from your ~/.xsession file... even the broken mess that is KDM should have a session file for that. |
| 16:17.32 | \Igor\ | Ferret: thanks anyway, but this suckest... |
| 16:17.43 | flexy | mwilson: in any case, earlier I could start my E session with gdm and kdm... something has changed... |
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| 16:17.52 | mwilson | \Igor\: So you have to type a password. Big deal. |
| 16:18.15 | abrotman | paulswm: yay |
| 16:18.15 | mwilson | flexy: Did I say that you couldn't? No. In fact, I told you how to do it. |
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| 16:18.31 | flexy | mwilson: sure |
| 16:18.34 | \Igor\ | mwilson: If I have to do it a dozen times in a row it's a big deal |
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| 16:18.58 | hogballs | hey can i just plug in usb device and debian will configure it while im in x? |
| 16:18.59 | asg | \Igor\: then complain to the server admin |
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| 16:19.20 | paulswm | abrotman: yay? |
| 16:19.24 | \Igor\ | asg: I guess that's the only option |
| 16:19.26 | abrotman | paulswm: ^^^ |
| 16:19.26 | lines | wie muss ich mich identifizieren? |
| 16:19.28 | lines | #debian.de :You need to be identified to join that channel |
| 16:19.29 | abrotman | !de |
| 16:19.30 | dpkg | de is, like, deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 16:19.35 | asg | lines: /msg nickserv help |
| 16:19.39 | abrotman | lines: /msg nickserv help |
| 16:19.39 | hogballs | i got a wireless usb nic |
| 16:19.44 | abrotman | asg: darn you :) |
| 16:19.46 | FieldySnuts | hogballs: good luck. |
| 16:19.51 | hogballs | i dont think the thing is supported |
| 16:19.51 | flexy | mwilson: oh well, you pointed me at the right direction... my ~/.xsession file has disappeared... :/ |
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| 16:19.58 | paulswm | abrotman: Oh, I geddit |
| 16:20.01 | FieldySnuts | hogballs: i've tried several of those, and none of them worked period |
| 16:20.02 | Calin | is my linux screwed or can it be saved? |
| 16:20.05 | asg | abrotman: I'm a right bleedin' bastard today |
| 16:20.06 | jepel_tailweaver | hogballs, linux-wlan-ng or ndiswrapper |
| 16:20.09 | vir_ | hm |
| 16:20.21 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 16:20.23 | vir_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:20.26 | FieldySnuts | i wouldn't consider ndiswrapper an option on debian, but that's just me (have to use windows drivers) |
| 16:20.28 | vir_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.35 | hogballs | haha |
| 16:20.36 | vir_ | uahrg |
| 16:20.40 | asg | abrotman: ta, I've already got one. |
| 16:20.43 | lines | danke |
| 16:20.46 | mwilson | vir_: Yes, thank you, not all of us use irssi. |
| 16:20.48 | FieldySnuts | vir_: hi, what are you doing? |
| 16:20.50 | hogballs | cool u use windows drivers to make the usb wireless g shit to work? |
| 16:20.53 | lines | mein nic hat wer |
| 16:20.53 | Dull404 | asg, i think the faq is wrong.. on point 1.9 (http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/) |
| 16:20.54 | vir_ | i am sorry |
| 16:20.57 | lines | frechheit |
| 16:21.00 | yereth | hi all |
| 16:21.05 | asg | Dull404: in what way? |
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| 16:21.09 | FieldySnuts | hogballs: supposedly. nothing i ever want to do, i'd much rather support a company where my hardware works natively |
| 16:21.15 | mwilson | hogballs: Please don't speak Moron here. |
| 16:21.32 | yereth | can someone help me out on a problem I have with grub? it concerns grub not reading the menu somehow |
| 16:21.36 | SuperSox | mwilson: ahahah :D |
| 16:21.39 | abrotman | wtf is 1.9? |
| 16:21.41 | hogballs | i know what you mean, but a good deal on parts is a good deal |
| 16:21.57 | hogballs | i dont buy for linux i buy for windows |
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| 16:22.07 | hogballs | then i consider seeing if it will work in linux |
| 16:22.20 | mwilson | hogballs: So you're clueless, then? |
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| 16:22.23 | FieldySnuts | no doubt. |
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| 16:22.28 | Dull404 | asg, Likewise, apt-get --purge remove will remove the specified package and anything that depends on it, and will also purge config files. |
| 16:22.28 | abrotman | mwilson: long established |
| 16:22.28 | citral | sunday will always remain sunday |
| 16:22.32 | FieldySnuts | mwilson: he's trolled here extensively in the past anyway, no surprise |
| 16:22.34 | yereth | anyone? grub problem |
| 16:22.39 | abrotman | no thanks |
| 16:22.41 | asg | Dull404: that's correct. |
| 16:22.41 | FieldySnuts | not saying he's trolling now. |
| 16:22.50 | hogballs | hey mwilson you are a fucking cock smack dont even talk to me asshole |
| 16:22.56 | FieldySnuts | see? |
| 16:22.56 | abrotman | see |
| 16:22.57 | paulswm | hogballs: Yes, ndiswrapper uses the windows dirvers, I'm running a Linksys WPC54GS with it, works fine |
| 16:22.58 | Ronin | but now he is |
| 16:23.03 | FieldySnuts | that's how he usually behaves. |
| 16:23.11 | Ferret | What a lovely fellow. |
| 16:23.11 | hogballs | good info paulswm ' |
| 16:23.12 | hogballs | ' |
| 16:23.17 | Dull404 | asg, hm.. but i tried it. installed dcgui (wich required 30 gnome libs), then apt-get remove .. but only dcgui got removed |
| 16:23.21 | abrotman | what a prick bastard |
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| 16:23.26 | mwilson | Dull404: Correct. |
| 16:23.54 | Dull404 | mwilson, this is confusing.... |
| 16:23.54 | Ferret | Dull404: compare "depends on it" with "it depends one" |
| 16:24.04 | asg | Dull404: they depend on dcgui but not vice versa so they aren't removed. Use deborphan or debfoster to take care of the latter. |
| 16:24.07 | yereth | can someone help me out here with a problem I have with installing grub on my debian system? |
| 16:24.09 | hogballs | so just goto console and type in ndiswrapper? |
| 16:24.19 | abrotman | Dull404: maybe you sohuld look at deborphan and debfoster |
| 16:24.35 | abrotman | hogballs: read the fucking documentation |
| 16:24.39 | FieldySnuts | hogballs: i'm suddenly not in the mood to help you now, due to your behavior.g ood luck. |
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| 16:24.52 | mwilson | abrotman: How dare you suggest that it read! |
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| 16:25.06 | FieldySnuts | s/g\ o/go/ |
| 16:25.08 | abrotman | ndiswrapper isn't in debian .. you're on your own . don't buy shitty hardware |
| 16:25.13 | asg | mwilson: you mentioned epic the other day. I'm curious if your preference is functional, historical, or just better documentation. |
| 16:25.13 | FieldySnuts | amen |
| 16:25.18 | paulswm | hogballs: Read and research, you use ndiswrapper to install the windows driver and then the ndiswrapper module to run it |
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| 16:25.22 | Ferret | yereth: With just that amount of information, no-one can possibly know if they can help. |
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| 16:25.31 | mwilson | asg: I like epic. |
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| 16:25.43 | mwilson | asg: It does what I need an IRC client to do. |
| 16:25.43 | asg | mwilson: ah, okay. |
| 16:25.45 | Dull404 | asg, yeah i know deborphan will work, but there isn't a way to invoke deborphan so it will be automaitc? or will synaptic/aptitude/dselect remove package+dependencies? |
| 16:25.47 | FieldySnuts | Ferret: what, you're not psychic :) |
| 16:25.51 | yereth | Ferret: should I point out the whole problem right away? |
| 16:25.58 | asg | Dull404: aptitude does iirc. |
| 16:26.03 | hikenboot | anyone know where i can get the official debian method of compiling modules..? I tried directions that were meant for suse and put out by the manufacturer of my soundcard. unfortunately it didnt seem to work on my debian install heres the link of the directions http://www.cmedia.com.tw/linux/SuSE-61.htm |
| 16:26.06 | FieldySnuts | yereth: well, otherwise, we have to guess. we just don't know what problem you're having. |
| 16:26.08 | paulswm | abrotman: ndiswrapper is in debian, and just because hardware is not natively supported, that does *not make it "shitty hardware" |
| 16:26.17 | paulswm | Jesus, what is wrong with you people |
| 16:26.18 | Ferret | yereth: Well, a one or two line synopsis would be quite nice, yes. |
| 16:26.20 | Dull404 | asg, iirc? |
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| 16:26.24 | asg | hikenboot: look at module-assistant |
| 16:26.26 | asg | !iirc |
| 16:26.26 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 16:26.32 | flexy | anybody got radeon 8500 tv-out working? (not very likely, according to google) |
| 16:26.36 | FieldySnuts | where die that come from? I use debian specifically to avoid software like that. I'm not polluting my system with it. |
| 16:26.39 | FieldySnuts | s/die/did/ |
| 16:26.43 | Dull404 | asg ok |
| 16:26.46 | mwilson | asg: irssi might do what I need it to do, but the learning curve is steep enough that I don't feel like investing the effort to use it for no perceived benefit. |
| 16:26.46 | yereth | when I boot, grub loads, but somehow it doesn't seem to load menu.lst, which is in /grub/ on my hda1, or hd0,0 |
| 16:26.58 | FieldySnuts | abrotman: i definately agree with you on this one. |
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| 16:27.08 | asg | yereth: it should be in /boot/grub |
| 16:27.10 | yereth | I used grub-install |
| 16:27.11 | hogballs | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:27.24 | yereth | asg: it can't, because /boot is a seperate partition |
| 16:27.33 | yereth | hda1 is my boot partition |
| 16:27.39 | yereth | and hda4 is my root |
| 16:27.43 | asg | yereth: then you need to tell grub where that partition is. |
| 16:27.46 | FieldySnuts | hogballs: oh be quiet please. |
| 16:27.59 | yereth | asg: where do I do that? |
| 16:28.05 | hikenboot | asg module-assistant its not a man page...where is it? sorry if its a dumb questions |
| 16:28.14 | hogballs | fine... thanks for your help up to this point... |
| 16:28.30 | FieldySnuts | bbl, breaking the car |
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| 16:29.25 | mwilson | Dull404: Did I invite you to msg me and I just don't remember it? |
| 16:29.53 | yereth | asg: should I describe --root-directory as /boot in this case? |
| 16:30.14 | yereth | I ran grub-install on /dev/hda |
| 16:30.32 | Calin | Can anyone suggest a method of repairing this boot problem? I copied from my /boot/grub/menu.lst the options i needed to boot to linux, installed windows on another partition, boots fine, but when i used the grub floppy boot disk i made with the options, suddenly linux only boots halfways... |
| 16:30.35 | Calin | if you need more data,a sk |
| 16:30.36 | Dull404 | mwilson, no point of beeing rude, you could just have gave me a hint in the first place |
| 16:30.45 | asg | hikenboot: apt-cache search module-assistant |
| 16:30.51 | asg | yereth: yes |
| 16:30.52 | hikenboot | thanks |
| 16:30.54 | hikenboot | asg |
| 16:31.04 | asg | mwilson: thanks for the info. |
| 16:31.08 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: It is more important that the G speedboosted card works fast in XP than it works at all with Linux, and as it turns out, it works well with Linux with ndiswrapper. I'm with hogballs on this one |
| 16:31.12 | yereth | asg: thank you.. I will try that then now |
| 16:31.13 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: i care. |
| 16:31.17 | FieldySnuts | not here bbl |
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| 16:31.39 | Ferret | Calin: More data: what stage does it stop at, and if you recall, what would normally be the next line? |
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| 16:32.07 | Dull404 | mwilson, i dont think you know shiet... *oh listen shhhhhh silence* |
| 16:32.10 | samuel | hello all!!! |
| 16:32.39 | yereth | asg: one more thing, is there a difference in grub-install /dev/hda and grub-install hd0 provided that hd0 == /dev/hda and this is defined in /boot/grub/devices.map? |
| 16:32.44 | paulswm | Someone should put in the topic that if you come in here asking about wifi hardware not natively supported, you're going to get a bunch of crap from people who know not what they're talking about |
| 16:32.47 | usynic | DuckTales, he knows shiet. He just doesn't know how to not be rude. |
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| 16:32.58 | usynic | er... Dull404 |
| 16:33.00 | asg | yereth: that I don't know, I've always use /dev/hdX |
| 16:33.13 | DuckTales | huh? |
| 16:33.14 | yereth | asg: what is /dev/hdX? |
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| 16:33.29 | asg | yereth: /dev/hda, /dev/hdb, etc. |
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| 16:33.47 | chip_dirt | --click-- anyone familiar with debian anon-proxy package: how to configure socks proxy? |
| 16:33.47 | Dull404 | usynic, i see... |
| 16:33.54 | yereth | asg: ow, sorry, of course |
| 16:34.10 | yereth | asg: well, then I know enough. Thank you for the help. Time for a reboot |
| 16:34.17 | asg | yereth: you're welcome |
| 16:34.19 | mwilson | Dull404: You're the one who wants to be rude and /msg people. |
| 16:34.41 | samuel | is there such a thing as a dvd ripper/encoder? i want to rip and encode dvds to see on my palm device |
| 16:35.08 | Dull404 | mwilson, if its not of "main" interest, as for people in the main chan to have any benefits from it, a msn would be better not to bloat main chan |
| 16:35.22 | Dull404 | err msg |
| 16:35.23 | asg | samuel: your palm device has enough storage to hold an encoded dvd? |
| 16:35.24 | |rufius| | samuel, look at DVD::Rip or Alchohol <--i think thats it |
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| 16:35.51 | samuel | asg, not the device, but the expansion card |
| 16:35.57 | mwilson | Gods, xchataqua can't even get /ignore right |
| 16:36.09 | asg | samuel: ah |
| 16:36.23 | samuel | |rufius|, thanks - ill look into it |
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| 16:37.07 | vv_ | ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
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| 16:39.11 | mwilson | Fine. I'll just do it that way. |
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| 16:40.05 | Calin | Ferret: I don't know what stage, it says clearing up extra kernel space, something about 440mb, then stays there indefinately |
| 16:40.05 | FieldySnuts | @ops voodoowtf spamming |
| 16:40.07 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: voodoowtf spamming |
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| 16:40.16 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: voodoowtf spamming. |
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| 16:40.39 | mwilson | caphuso: Good morning. |
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| 16:40.59 | phogg | What was that command to find all packages that depend on a given package? |
| 16:41.01 | caphuso | mwilson: 18:40 isn't morning, not even by my standards :) |
| 16:41.09 | alindeman | FieldySnuts: Got it, thanks |
| 16:41.09 | peterS | phogg: apt-cache rdepends |
| 16:41.12 | FieldySnuts | alindeman: :) |
| 16:41.13 | mwilson | Heh. |
| 16:41.28 | phogg | peterS: many thanks. I'm going to write it down this time... |
| 16:41.51 | stew | phogg: apt-cache showpkg is useful one as well |
| 16:41.53 | Ferret | Calin: Is it a line like "Freeing unused kernel memory: 148k freed"? (Sorry if I sound idiotic) |
| 16:42.08 | Calin | Ferret: very same lne replace 148 with 440 |
| 16:42.30 | jim | I built a java package out of one of the .bins, installed that on sarge. It seems like any gui usage causes my x session to die... at first I thought it was anything that used mozilla java plugin, now it appears to be any java program that uses graphics |
| 16:42.50 | jim | anyone recognize anything about this? more details to follow: |
| 16:43.07 | DornieR | hi people |
| 16:43.14 | DornieR | i have a question |
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| 16:43.21 | Ferret | Calin: OK, then your real question is "why, when booting from a grub floppy with the same options as directly off the disk, does my bootup freeze at the stage where it calls init" |
| 16:43.23 | jethro | !tell DornieR -about ask |
| 16:43.34 | DornieR | i have debian 2.2... on my system |
| 16:43.37 | Ferret | Calin: I don't know the answer to the question, but maybe someone here does |
| 16:43.39 | jim | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.42 | DornieR | i would like to update it |
| 16:43.43 | Calin | Ferret: thanks |
| 16:43.54 | DornieR | i'm beginner 2 |
| 16:44.02 | DornieR | changed from freebsd to debian |
| 16:44.03 | DornieR | :p |
| 16:44.06 | jim | DornieR: that's easy... you edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:44.11 | DornieR | little noob on debian |
| 16:44.14 | jim | then you run apt-get update |
| 16:44.24 | Calin | why, when booting from a grub floppy with the same options as directly off the disk, does my bootup freeze at the stage where it calls init? |
| 16:44.24 | jim | then you run apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 16:44.26 | DornieR | i installed wget 2 |
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| 16:44.35 | DornieR | ok |
| 16:44.54 | jim | what do you want to update to? |
| 16:44.59 | jim | waht version of debian? |
| 16:45.06 | drac | Hmm, apt-get install aptitude && aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade since apt-get is broken on woody -> sarge upgrade. |
| 16:45.13 | jim | or better: why? |
| 16:45.16 | abrotman | DornieR: stop using 2 instead of too |
| 16:45.28 | jim | yeah, that two |
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| 16:45.30 | jim | err too |
| 16:45.32 | jim | :) |
| 16:45.45 | DornieR | ok abrotman |
| 16:45.48 | DornieR | sorry |
| 16:46.06 | jim | DornieR: why do you want to upgrade? |
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| 16:46.34 | DornieR | i think i have to update it |
| 16:46.40 | DornieR | its a new install |
| 16:46.42 | mwilson | How is apt-get "broken"? |
| 16:46.48 | jim | (not saying you shouldn't... just want to know why you think so) |
| 16:47.05 | stew | mwilson: it was documented in a recent dwn and in the sarge release notes |
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| 16:47.25 | stew | mwilson: it splits up calls to dpkg into multiple calls which breaks circular dependencies |
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| 16:47.26 | DornieR | frind of mine installed debian too and he said that i have to update my system |
| 16:47.38 | DornieR | not ? |
| 16:47.40 | jim | ok, ask your friend why |
| 16:47.47 | jim | no, not saying you shouldn't |
| 16:47.49 | abrotman | i think he means to sarge |
| 16:47.50 | mwilson | Somehow I doubt the notes use the word "broken" |
| 16:48.02 | stew | mwilson: actually the brokenness wasn't documented in the sarge release notes but they say to use aptitude not apt-get |
| 16:48.05 | valdyn_ | DornieR: what are you running anyway? not seriously debian 2.2? |
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| 16:48.16 | jim | mwilson: sheesh :P only one way to find out |
| 16:48.16 | hikenboot | ok yet another question i put source in usr/src/linux/drivers/sound but module assistant did not find the driver...how do i specify this as the location of the driver source...or am i completely barking up the wrong tree? |
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| 16:48.37 | Calin | I hope someone can help, I don't want to be stuck with windows ; - ; |
| 16:48.41 | DornieR | valdyn_ just a sec let me see |
| 16:49.06 | valdyn_ | DornieR: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:49.11 | jim | DornieR: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:49.13 | jim | err |
| 16:49.14 | DornieR | ow my frind talks about the cernel update |
| 16:49.16 | jim | yeah :) |
| 16:49.18 | DornieR | kernel |
| 16:49.34 | jim | so he thinks you should update your kernel |
| 16:49.36 | DornieR | sorry for the bad language i'm frome belgium |
| 16:49.37 | jim | to what version? |
| 16:49.39 | jim | it's ok |
| 16:49.43 | jim | we can understand |
| 16:49.47 | DornieR | thnx |
| 16:49.47 | DornieR | :d |
| 16:49.56 | valdyn_ | DornieR: so whats in your /etc/debian_version |
| 16:50.12 | DornieR | searching for it |
| 16:50.13 | DornieR | hehe |
| 16:50.23 | jim | you don't need to search |
| 16:50.26 | yereth | asg: I noticed that grub was installing itself no in /boot/boot so then I realized my configuration at my own computer, which had a symlink /boot/boot that linked to /boot and that works like a charm. And now I finally realize what it was good for |
| 16:50.27 | jim | it's right there |
| 16:50.36 | jim | just type: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:50.57 | DornieR | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 16:50.57 | DornieR | 3.0 |
| 16:51.03 | jim | ohh |
| 16:51.12 | jim | you're already running a newer one |
| 16:51.21 | jim | what is your networkign like? |
| 16:51.22 | DornieR | ow |
| 16:51.28 | asg | yereth: cool :) |
| 16:51.32 | DornieR | :p |
| 16:51.42 | jim | how are you connected? |
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| 16:51.49 | jim | what kind of connection? |
| 16:51.53 | DornieR | adsl |
| 16:51.57 | jim | ok, good |
| 16:51.58 | DornieR | lan |
| 16:52.03 | yereth | I just got a kernel panick with my menu.lst configuration.. |
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| 16:52.20 | jim | and your debian is connected to the net and that's working fine? |
| 16:52.30 | DornieR | yes it iss |
| 16:52.31 | jim | also |
| 16:52.38 | DornieR | its all ok here |
| 16:52.40 | DornieR | runs good |
| 16:52.49 | DornieR | i like debian :p |
| 16:52.53 | jim | what kernel do you have now (uname -a) and what version does your friend recommend? |
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| 16:53.32 | jim | I built a java package out of one of the .bins, installed that on sarge. It seems like any gui usage causes my x session to die... at first I thought it was anything that used mozilla java plugin, now it appears to be any java program that uses graphics |
| 16:53.33 | DornieR | i think 2.2.6 or something like that |
| 16:53.36 | yereth | er.. asg: one more thing please |
| 16:53.37 | sts | clear |
| 16:53.40 | sts | sry |
| 16:53.42 | asg | yereth: yes? |
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| 16:53.50 | jim | DornieR: type: uname -a |
| 16:53.55 | DornieR | ok |
| 16:54.06 | DornieR | 2.2.20 |
| 16:54.09 | jim | ok |
| 16:54.12 | yereth | asg: I have the following line in my menu.lst: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11.6 root=/dev/hda4 ro , but I get a kernel panick |
| 16:54.12 | mwilson | Ok, that's better. |
| 16:54.13 | abrotman | !tell DornieR about real kernel |
| 16:54.15 | jim | what does your friend think? |
| 16:54.29 | KaioSVK | hi! is there anybody who could help me with installation of Debian ? pliiiz |
| 16:54.42 | yereth | asg: it somehow can't find my root mount point or something? if I boot by 'hand' everything works fine |
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| 16:54.49 | valdyn_ | !tell KaioSVK about ask |
| 16:54.58 | DornieR | nothing just answering my questions |
| 16:54.59 | KirbyMeister | hey, any way to get sound juicer to output MP3 files? |
| 16:55.01 | DornieR | he got 3.1 |
| 16:55.09 | jim | KaioSVK: step zero: back up your HD or start with an -empty- hd |
| 16:55.10 | asg | yereth: try using the actual /boot/kernel-foo instead of the symlink in / |
| 16:55.20 | sts | !tell sts about real kernel |
| 16:55.30 | KaioSVK | hmm ... I tried the Suse inux before ... and I have several problems ... |
| 16:55.36 | jim | DornieR: that's not kernel version |
| 16:55.38 | khanman | im running gsx server 3.10 (build 9089) on sarge (kernel 2.6.8) and have a winxp virtual machine running which is kinda cool...but i cant get sound to work....vmware has /dev/dsp in the config for sound...im using alsa on sarge..should i have the config point to something else? |
| 16:55.42 | DornieR | my frind got 2.4.27 |
| 16:55.43 | jim | are you talking to your friend now? |
| 16:55.53 | jim | ok, that's what he thinks you should use? |
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| 16:56.00 | DornieR | yes |
| 16:56.09 | mwilson | khanman: No, you should use your paid support from vmware and ask *them*. |
| 16:56.21 | holo_ | KaioSVK: you will have several problems with debian too, if you are running away from problems, just stay away from computers 8-| |
| 16:56.22 | jim | 3.0 can use 2.4.27 right? |
| 16:56.36 | khanman | mwilson, they dont support debian..only redhat and suse ...yech |
| 16:56.39 | mwilson | Hrm... nick complete isn't working correctly. |
| 16:56.39 | yereth | asg: but it says /vmlinuz because I start with root = (hd0,0), so then /vmlinuz is actually the /boot/vmlinuz from my filesystem.. or is that not what you mean? |
| 16:56.49 | KaioSVK | hmm ... I am not running away ... I am here to ask the profis;) |
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| 16:56.50 | DornieR | duno Jim |
| 16:56.56 | mwilson | khanman: And, of course, you didn't actually pay for it, right? |
| 16:57.11 | khanman | i pay for everything that isnt covered by gpl |
| 16:57.24 | findme | which is a good tool to read newsgroups ? browser |
| 16:57.30 | mwilson | What does whether or not it's GPL have to do with it? |
| 16:57.35 | holo_ | KaioSVK: good! :D |
| 16:57.35 | asg | findme: nn, tin, pan |
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| 16:57.46 | findme | asg, thanks |
| 16:58.19 | KaioSVK | so... my display wasnt supported or something ... and I could get only 640*480 resolution in KDE ... |
| 16:58.22 | DornieR | 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown |
| 16:58.33 | KaioSVK | cause I have only 14" display ... |
| 16:58.34 | asg | yereth: well, usually /vmlinuz is a symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-$(uname -r) |
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| 16:58.54 | KirbyMeister | any way to rip to MP3s in Debian? |
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| 16:59.05 | sts | khanman: does ur sound work for the rest of the system? |
| 16:59.06 | asg | yereth: the issue is likely due to the fact that since you redefined root to point to /boot, the old / isn't known by grub so it is looking in the wrong place. |
| 16:59.09 | findme | KirbyMeister, bladenc |
| 16:59.12 | findme | KirbyMeister, bladeenc |
| 16:59.15 | valdyn_ | KirbyMeister: sound-juicer uses gstreamer -> you need to appropriate gstreamer plugins -> apt-get install gstreamer0.8-plugins or specificially i guess: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame |
| 16:59.20 | asg | KirbyMeister: /msg dpkg lame |
| 16:59.22 | KaioSVK | and my computer is not so good too ... P III 1 Ghz, 128 RIMM RAM, 20 GB HDD an GeForce2 32 MB ... |
| 16:59.24 | KirbyMeister | thank you |
| 16:59.30 | abrotman | not so good? |
| 16:59.41 | asg | KaioSVK: that's more than sufficient. |
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| 17:00.07 | KaioSVK | really ? when I tried to work in KDE it was litte bit ...slow ? |
| 17:00.11 | Dull404 | ...ok, i cant get this to work. <apt-get install gedit> installed 12 packages(libs, etc)... then i removed gedit (2 packages) and then deborpahn only reported 2 packages left behind... BUT should be 10 |
| 17:00.22 | yereth | asg: (hd0,0) is my /boot partition and (hd0,3) my root.. in my menu.lst it says: root (hd0,0); kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11.6 root=/dev/hda4 ro; initrd /initrd.img-2.6.11.6; there are no symlinks involved |
| 17:00.29 | valdyn_ | Dull404: no it shouldnt |
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| 17:00.39 | valdyn_ | Dull404: the tool you are looking for is debfoster |
| 17:00.39 | mwilson | Dull404: They depend on each other. |
| 17:00.44 | khanman | sts, yes it does |
| 17:00.54 | drasko_ | hello all. I just installed mplayer-fonts debian package, but I can not make the fonts work. They are in .raw format, and mplayer won't read them. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:01.00 | Dull404 | valdyn_, ok debfoster not deborphan? |
| 17:01.13 | valdyn_ | Dull404: correct |
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| 17:01.22 | pyr3sayz | How does one permenantly disable DRC? I can disable it with gnome-alsamixer, but rebooting has it enabled again. |
| 17:01.24 | Dull404 | valdyn_, thanks! |
| 17:01.24 | khanman | sts, i was wondering if /dev/dsp is a correct device under debian since vmware for linux is only supporting RH and suse |
| 17:01.40 | sts | i'm not using debian |
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| 17:01.50 | mwilson | khanman: Linux is Linux. |
| 17:01.54 | abrotman | Dull404: i told oyu that .. like an hour aago |
| 17:01.58 | sts | but just try it...echo "something" >> /dev/dso |
| 17:01.59 | asg | yereth: oh, hmmmm. |
| 17:02.02 | sts | dsp |
| 17:02.12 | mwilson | abrotman: You didn't actually expect him to pay attention, did you? |
| 17:02.14 | Dull404 | abrotman, oh must have missed it, sorry :/ |
| 17:02.25 | abrotman | it was directed at you .. your client doesn't highlight? |
| 17:02.26 | peterS | khanman: vmware produces emulated sound hardware, I guess. I don't know if this requires an ALSA driver or a non-ALSA driver or if both exist |
| 17:02.27 | khanman | mwilson, there are 2 choices dsp and dsp1 and their /dev/cdrom didnt work for me had to change it to /dev/hdc |
| 17:02.31 | Dull404 | mwilson, shut up |
| 17:02.36 | DornieR | lol |
| 17:02.42 | peterS | khanman: as for /dev/dsp*, /dev/dsp should be correct |
| 17:02.57 | khanman | thanks peters |
| 17:03.08 | yereth | asg: by hand I run "root (hd0,0); kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.11.6 root=/dev/hda4; boot" and that works perfectly |
| 17:03.16 | khanman | and btw mwilson there is a 15 day trial license for gsxsever |
| 17:03.32 | jim | DornieR: you should be able to install the new kernel image on your machine now |
| 17:03.40 | asg | yereth: and initrd also when you do it manually? |
| 17:03.40 | peterS | khanman: well, unless vmware produces *two* emulated sound chips and you want to drive the second one. that would be /dev/dsp1. but I don't see why they would do that |
| 17:03.40 | KirbyMeister | valdyn_: gstreamer0.8-plugins is already installed, but sound-juicer cant output mp3s. |
| 17:03.45 | KaioSVK | and horrible looking too ... I ' ve been thinking about another desktop manager ... other than KDE |
| 17:03.57 | jim | DornieR: you can stay with what you have (which is called woody) if you want |
| 17:04.02 | yereth | asg: no, without initrd... might that be it? |
| 17:04.08 | tarzeau | KaioSVK: tried gworkspace(.app) yet? i mean GNUstep ? |
| 17:04.11 | asg | yereth: yes, don't indicate one if you don't use one. |
| 17:04.19 | DornieR | jim not a problem ? |
| 17:04.21 | KaioSVK | gworkspace ?? |
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| 17:04.24 | drac | just installed gnome-desktop-environment to see if it's changed somehow, and during installation debconf asked me about default sound wrapper (esd, arts, auto, none) and i answered none, but i'd like to change it to esd now. is there something i can tell dpkg-reconfigure for it? |
| 17:04.26 | valdyn_ | KirbyMeister: apt-get install gstreamer0.8-lame |
| 17:04.34 | DornieR | its not inportant to update it |
| 17:04.34 | yereth | asg: alright. I have no idea what the initrd is doing there anyway, honestly |
| 17:04.39 | resiak | tarzeau: Gotta say, I've been using GNUstep on the Solaris boxen that I'm forced to use at uni. |
| 17:04.39 | jim | no, as long as you have the ability to boot an initrd kernel image |
| 17:04.40 | KirbyMeister | valdyn_: tried that. said there is no gstreamer0.8-lame |
| 17:04.46 | tarzeau | KaioSVK: yes a graphical filemanager ala the Workspace on OPENSTEP (or today on Mac OS X) |
| 17:04.49 | DornieR | ok |
| 17:04.54 | asg | yereth: not sure, try without it and see if that fixes things. |
| 17:04.58 | KaioSVK | no ... everything I tried was Suse linux and KDE .. |
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| 17:05.05 | tarzeau | resiak: they've got gnustep packages made for solaris? or just installed it from source? |
| 17:05.09 | yereth | asg: I will.. thanks again :) |
| 17:05.13 | asg | :) |
| 17:05.14 | valdyn_ | !info gstreamer0.8-lame sarge |
| 17:05.18 | valdyn_ | !info gstreamer0.8-lame sid |
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| 17:05.28 | mwilson | tarzeau: Hm, does gworkspace dep on the rest of the gnustep stuff or is it standalone? |
| 17:05.41 | jim | DornieR: do you plan on compiling a kernel or is precompiled ok? |
| 17:05.41 | KirbyMeister | valdyn_: Is it a marillat package? |
| 17:05.48 | abrotman | !kiss paulswm |
| 17:05.55 | resiak | tarzeau: Bits. IIRC it's basically Windowmaker and gworkspace. |
| 17:05.57 | valdyn_ | KirbyMeister: yea, i think so |
| 17:05.57 | tarzeau | mwilson: of course it needs the gui libraries (ApplicationKit) of gnustep (which need the base libs) (that's FoundationKit) |
| 17:06.05 | DornieR | i'm planning to do it jim |
| 17:06.05 | tarzeau | resiak: very nice |
| 17:06.07 | KirbyMeister | valdyn_: thought so |
| 17:06.07 | Phated | paulswm: BAD paulswm BAD. :) |
| 17:06.08 | jim | I built a java package out of one of the .bins, installed that on sarge. It seems like any gui usage causes my x session to die... at first I thought it was anything that used mozilla java plugin, now it appears to be any java program that uses graphics |
| 17:06.14 | resiak | tarzeau: Beats fvwm :) |
| 17:06.16 | mwilson | tarzeau: hmmm... |
| 17:06.17 | dut | sorry for offtopic(you may ban, kick, ignore me). But there are possible to find and download free music(classical music) somewhere? I wondering what i can't find it! |
| 17:06.28 | KaioSVK | and then I wanted to remove linux and I did terrible mistake ... I just removed the linux partitions ... aaand ... then I had to reinstall XPs... |
| 17:06.30 | jim | anyone recognize this problem? |
| 17:06.30 | Dull404 | abrotman, it does highlight |
| 17:06.33 | drasko_ | hello all. I just installed mplayer-fonts debian package, but I can not make the fonts work. They are in .raw format, and mplayer won't read them. What am I doing wrong? |
| 17:06.36 | tarzeau | resiak: well fvwm is ok. both of it sure beats gnome and kde |
| 17:06.40 | abrotman | Dull404: ok |
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| 17:06.48 | mwilson | drasko: Not reading the instructions? |
| 17:06.50 | resiak | tarzeau: Hey, I use Gnome :) |
| 17:06.52 | paulswm | !kiss abrotman and Phated |
| 17:06.53 | asg | dut: check your local library's website |
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| 17:06.58 | tarzeau | resiak: poor you :) |
| 17:07.00 | abrotman | threesome? |
| 17:07.05 | |rufius| | jim, the only problem i see is clearly one w/ the package you biult |
| 17:07.06 | Phated | ... |
| 17:07.08 | tarzeau | resiak: check livecd.gnustep.org |
| 17:07.11 | dut | asg: Sorry, i live in Russia... |
| 17:07.24 | iaw | I have kernel-image-2.6.7 installed on my system, I want to install kernel-headers-2.6.7, but its to old and I can't get it with apt-get.. Where can I download kernel-headers-2.6.7 ? |
| 17:07.27 | |rufius| | russia doesn't have libraries? |
| 17:07.34 | asg | apparently not |
| 17:07.43 | resiak | tarzeau: Already have done, and tried it for an hour or so. My main beef is that focus-follows-mouse doesn't really fit with the whole menubar-being-separate thing. |
| 17:07.43 | jim | |rufius|: ok... what are my options? |
| 17:07.44 | |rufius| | i knew they were behidn but didn't they were that behind... |
| 17:07.54 | |rufius| | jim, don't build the package and just do it like everyone else... |
| 17:07.58 | dut | |rufius|: russian libraries don't have web-servers and wide internet channels i think |
| 17:08.00 | tarzeau | resiak: yeah , i hear that very often .. not just from you |
| 17:08.03 | valdyn_ | iaw: snapshots.debian.net iirc ( or just upgrade to a recent debian kernel ) |
| 17:08.08 | KaioSVK | and how can I backup my HDD ? |
| 17:08.16 | KaioSVK | can I backup it on DVD ? |
| 17:08.17 | jim | everyone else does it like that? :) |
| 17:08.19 | tarzeau | resiak: you want to have focus in a window without it being in foreground, right? |
| 17:08.21 | |rufius| | dut: what about universities? |
| 17:08.42 | valdyn_ | iaw: snapshot.debian.net ( no 's' ) |
| 17:08.45 | |rufius| | KaioSVK, depends how much ata you have... |
| 17:08.57 | |rufius| | data |
| 17:09.01 | jim | I don't see how the packaging causes this problem... could you explain? |
| 17:09.02 | Dull404 | abrotman, this might sound easy to you, but this is my first encounter with debian... and the package management is just messed up :/ |
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| 17:09.11 | abrotman | Dull404: compared to what? |
| 17:09.21 | dut | |rufius|: there are no any university what will be share music for free... |
| 17:09.28 | iaw | valdyn_: couldnt find it there |
| 17:09.30 | abrotman | Dull404: i honestly don't know any linux/bsd that removes stuff like you're saying |
| 17:09.33 | resiak | tarzeau: Well, that's a part of it, but you can do that without focus-follows-mouse. I just find f-f-m a faster and more efficient way to use my computer. |
| 17:09.36 | mwilson | dut: And you don't just pay for it because...? |
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| 17:09.48 | Dull404 | abrotman, arch for example |
| 17:09.52 | jim | dut: probably because they can get -sued- |
| 17:09.54 | iaw | I dont wanna upgrade because it breaks burning with cdrecord |
| 17:09.56 | abrotman | Dull404: arch linux or TLA arch? |
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| 17:10.06 | Dull404 | abrotman, arch linux |
| 17:10.06 | tarzeau | resiak: have you studied the keyboard shortcuts of it? |
| 17:10.09 | resiak | tarzeau: Especially since I use synergy to use the same mouse and keyboard for two adjacent PCs, and that's basically focus-follows-mouse on an entire-computer level. |
| 17:10.11 | KaioSVK | I just wanted to backup my system ( XPs ) and thats all ... |
| 17:10.13 | jp_ | Hi, could someone help me with customisation of mc? I have to change /etc/mc/mc.ext but I can't |
| 17:10.16 | resiak | tarzeau: No, I haven't. |
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| 17:10.18 | dut | mwilson: i don't pay for _free_ music. Beethoven don't write music for commercial companies, etc |
| 17:10.22 | abrotman | Dull404: if you say so .. not used it .. don't even know what it's based on |
| 17:10.24 | tarzeau | resiak: i haven't heard of "synergy" |
| 17:10.33 | valdyn_ | iaw: "uname -r" please |
| 17:10.36 | mwilson | dut: Wow... are YOU clueless. |
| 17:10.40 | |rufius| | jim, if i undersstood correctly you created a .deb file yes? And if thats true then the package you built may not be 100% guaranteed to work. You may not have done something right when you built it causing it to be instable and in turn creating the issue you have. |
| 17:10.42 | asg | dut: the scores may not be copyrighted but any performances most certainly are. |
| 17:10.44 | tarzeau | resiak: try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gnustep/gnustep-manual.rtf |
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| 17:10.46 | resiak | !info synergy |
| 17:10.47 | yereth | asg: works |
| 17:10.50 | asg | yereth: :) |
| 17:10.51 | dpkg | synergy: (Share mouse and keyboard over the network), section net, is optional. Version: 1.0.14-1 (sid), Packaged size: 353 kB, Installed size: 876 kB |
| 17:10.54 | Dull404 | abrotman, its not based on anything. its a stand alone distro |
| 17:10.55 | KaioSVK | and then ... if I do something wrong with linux I want to recovery my system |
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| 17:11.03 | abrotman | Dull404: ok .. still not used it |
| 17:11.06 | paulswm | KaioSVK: I use ntfsclone to back up XP partitions to sparse files on Linux ext3, if that helps |
| 17:11.07 | resiak | tarzeau: I'm reading it. |
| 17:11.10 | KirbyMeister | valdyn_: marillat doesnt have it |
| 17:11.14 | bonez41 | how do I get the correct time on my machine, debian 3.0? mine currently lists 3:06 am...when it should be around 10:00 |
| 17:11.15 | iaw | valdyn_: 2.6.7-1-386 |
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| 17:11.20 | mwilson | jp_: Why do you think you need to change the file in /etc ? |
| 17:11.20 | jim | |rufius|: ok |
| 17:11.22 | |rufius| | dut: unless you performed it yourself it is _not_ free to you |
| 17:11.25 | asg | bonez41: man date |
| 17:11.29 | tarzeau | resiak: only the part about shortcuts (pretty much teh same like NeXTSTEP/OPENSTEP and Mac OS X) |
| 17:11.45 | abrotman | bonez41: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 17:12.02 | jim | |rufius|: so have you heard about this problem specifically? |
| 17:12.05 | dut | asg: that mean what i must pay to some dirty capitalists for free music? |
| 17:12.08 | asg | bonez41: if your timezone if incorrect, use tzconfig to fix it. |
| 17:12.16 | jp_ | mwilson, when I do Enter on a jpeg file, it runs zgv, so far so good. I'd like it to do the same thing with wav and mp3 files, and it doesn't. |
| 17:12.19 | |rufius| | jim, no, but i know well enough not to try to package something like java |
| 17:12.23 | asg | dut: performances are not free, scores may, or may not, be free. |
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| 17:12.52 | valdyn_ | iaw: its on snapshot.debian.org, search for kernel-headers-2.6.7-1-386 |
| 17:12.53 | |rufius| | jim, how much experience do you have building libraries for debian? because if you don't extensive experience i probly wouldn't try to build a package for it |
| 17:12.56 | jim | |rufius|: so you're not familiar with java-package? |
| 17:12.59 | valdyn_ | KirbyMeister: sec, checking where i have mine from |
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| 17:13.03 | Dull404 | abrotman, problem is that there is not "one" package manger in debian that can do it all... like link deboprhan/debfoster with synaptic or something |
| 17:13.04 | bonez41 | asg, abrotman thank you |
| 17:13.18 | dut | asg: but i looks stupid. Money-money-money. Dirty paper rule this world |
| 17:13.31 | |rufius| | jim, no, if i want java, i download the bin file from java.sun.com and extract it to the proper place in /usr/ and link what needs to be linked |
| 17:13.35 | resiak | tarzeau: Sure. They really are just the OS X ones :) I guess that makes sense. |
| 17:13.37 | ejka | Dull404: debfoster _is a kind of_ package manager |
| 17:13.41 | |rufius| | jim, that solution works in _every_ linux distrobution |
| 17:13.50 | |rufius| | jim, and yes i did just use an absolute there |
| 17:13.51 | tarzeau | resiak: well the api is the same like cocoa too :) |
| 17:13.53 | mwilson | Dull404: Except that there is, of course. |
| 17:13.54 | asg | dut: then feel free to compose your own works and share with the rest of the world. |
| 17:14.03 | Dull404 | ejka, but it cant upgrade apps? |
| 17:14.08 | Dull404 | mwilson, like? |
| 17:14.11 | abrotman | Dull404: because .. it's not a good idea? |
| 17:14.14 | asg | dut: in the same way that we release source code using a dfsg compliant license. |
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| 17:14.21 | abrotman | not IMO anyway |
| 17:14.28 | jim | |rufius|: but I'm not interested in using locations in my filesystem that the debian packaging system claims |
| 17:14.28 | ejka | Dull404: it can. Read the man |
| 17:14.33 | dut | asg: if i will buy piano, i'll do this |
| 17:14.35 | iaw | valdyn_: ok, sorry. I did only search on kernel-headers-2.6.7 before |
| 17:14.38 | iaw | valdyn_: thanks |
| 17:14.41 | asg | dut: good for you. |
| 17:14.44 | jim | isn't java location-independent? |
| 17:14.45 | alexskan | hi all, is there any top-like bandwidth manager displaying the responsible program for each entry ? (as fuser -n tcp port does ) |
| 17:14.52 | dut | asg: sorry for my emotions. |
| 17:14.57 | mwilson | jp_: Yes, so configure it to do so. Wny does that mean you have to modify the file in /etc ? mc is perfectly capable of managing its configuration. |
| 17:15.01 | jp_ | and the manpage doesn't explin how I can do |
| 17:15.08 | dut | asg: but i wondering about that |
| 17:15.09 | asg | dut: google around though, some musicians have released both score and performance data in a free manner. |
| 17:15.14 | Dull404 | abrotman, would be convenient... i miss that |
| 17:15.19 | valdyn_ | KirbyMeister: its in marillats unstable repository |
| 17:15.23 | KirbyMeister | free as in freedom right |
| 17:15.30 | KirbyMeister | valdyn_: holy crap! |
| 17:15.34 | Dull404 | ejka, if it would be all that good no one would use apt-get then.. |
| 17:15.43 | asg | dut: if you see 'spoopin' on here, when he's not sleeping, ask him. He probably knows some good classical music places. |
| 17:15.44 | jim | dut: if you have an ear as good and as trained as mine is, then you can pick out all the parts by listening' |
| 17:15.45 | jp_ | mwilson, and how can it do that? |
| 17:15.56 | abrotman | Dull404: still don't htink it's a good idea .. but whatever |
| 17:15.57 | FieldySnuts | Dull404: you've been going on about this for the past hour at least. get over it. |
| 17:16.12 | resiak | tarzeau: I'll try it again later in the week. Thanks for the shortcut reference :) |
| 17:16.24 | ejka | Dull404: it is not advertised well I guess. I do only use |
| 17:16.25 | ejka | apt-get when I only want to have a look at smth |
| 17:16.27 | kaioswan | alguem fala a lingua da terrinha |
| 17:16.34 | jp_ | the alone command I found allows to open (edit) but doesn't act automatically |
| 17:16.37 | KirbyMeister | valdyn_: any way to get mp3 support without upgrading to unstable and breaking my system? |
| 17:16.44 | tarzeau | resiak: you're welcome, it's linked up on the livecd.gnustep.org page ;) |
| 17:16.53 | Dull404 | FieldySnuts, i though debian was good, but THIS is a big dissapointment |
| 17:16.57 | jim | kaioswan: /msg dpkg es |
| 17:17.02 | FieldySnuts | troll |
| 17:17.03 | jim | err .es rather |
| 17:17.07 | resiak | tarzeau: TBH, I just got the livecd and intended to figure it out for myself :) |
| 17:17.09 | mwilson | jp_: "Edit extension file" on the Command menu *is* there for a reason, after all. |
| 17:17.12 | tarzeau | resiak: if you know the "defaults" and "open" commands in os x, they also exist on gnustep (just the same thing) |
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| 17:17.21 | tarzeau | dpkg tbh |
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| 17:18.17 | valdyn_ | KirbyMeister: i dont know what marillats stuff exactly depends on, you can just use marillats unstable repository w/o upgrade your debian things, or you can try to just download that single package and "dpkg -i" it |
| 17:18.29 | resiak | tarzeau: Not a clue. I've not used OS X much. |
| 17:18.32 | Carla | dpkg tbh? |
| 17:18.48 | resiak | tarzeau: It scares me :) |
| 17:19.00 | jim | Carla: tbh == "to be honest" |
| 17:19.00 | tarzeau | resiak: why? |
| 17:19.05 | Carla | ahh |
| 17:19.11 | kaioswan | x-chat |
| 17:19.16 | tarzeau | resiak: if you can get your hands on OPENSTEP, definitely worth a try (i like that better than os x, seriously) |
| 17:19.25 | resiak | tarzeau: Things woosh around and have too few mouse buttons ;) |
| 17:19.46 | kaioswan | x-chat kurumin linux |
| 17:19.49 | nagual | openstep is like 10 years old? :) |
| 17:19.51 | resiak | !kurumin |
| 17:19.52 | dpkg | Kurumin Linux is a Brazilian run-from-CD Linux distribution based on Knoppix. That means it's not debian. Go away.. Ajuda pra Kurumin: http://www.kurumin.com.br |
| 17:20.01 | kaioswan | yes |
| 17:20.02 | mwilson | resiak: Funny, Apple seems to think that OS X supports multiple mouse buttons just fine. You have a different opinion? |
| 17:20.03 | tarzeau | nagual: yes, but i use it, still. (nothing better there if you ask me) |
| 17:20.09 | tarzeau | nagual: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/openstep/ |
| 17:20.13 | valdyn_ | KirbyMeister: or you could backport it ( /msg dpkg simple sid backport ), in any case no reason to "upgrade" more than absolutely required |
| 17:20.22 | resiak | tarzeau: It does, but I only ever use people's iBooks in passing, and they never have mice with them. |
| 17:20.26 | nagual | hehe |
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| 17:20.29 | nagual | i like explorer.exe :) |
| 17:20.35 | tarzeau | nagual: actually the specification was released october 1994. nextstep released 1987. and openstep 4.2 1997 |
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| 17:20.53 | jim | nagual: explorer.exe is microsoft... go buy it from them |
| 17:20.57 | nagual | and you know this of the top of you head tarzeau ? |
| 17:21.02 | resiak | mwilson: It does, but I only ever use people's iBooks in passing, and they never have mice with them. |
| 17:21.04 | Eclipser | anyone got sarge's gnomeicu working? |
| 17:21.07 | nagual | jim: thanks for sharing that information with me. |
| 17:21.14 | tarzeau | nagual: i don't understand? |
| 17:21.15 | Carla | R U only discussing computers? |
| 17:21.23 | mwilson | !r |
| 17:21.23 | resiak | Carla: Yes. Go away. |
| 17:21.23 | dpkg | hmm... r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. AND IT'S "ARE" YOU MORONS! |
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| 17:21.27 | resiak | !u |
| 17:21.28 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:21.29 | asg | nagual: it's his site, he should know its address off the top of his head |
| 17:21.30 | mwilson | !u |
| 17:21.44 | valdyn_ | !annoy Carla |
| 17:21.44 | peterS | resiak wins |
| 17:21.44 | dpkg | Carla: HOW TO THIS????? |
| 17:21.47 | KirbyMeister | !yt\ |
| 17:21.50 | KirbyMeister | !yt |
| 17:22.02 | nagual | ah, so one should know all sites one doesnt host by heart? |
| 17:22.07 | starfish | does any one know how to setup a printer in kde? |
| 17:22.08 | kaioswan | www.sosvaledoitapocu.rg3.net |
| 17:22.17 | jim | Carla: yes, this is a computer-oriented technical channel -only-. why? what do you want to discuss? |
| 17:22.24 | mwilson | Does anyone know what KDE would have to do with setting up the printer? |
| 17:22.25 | peterS | kaioswan: do not spam, plskthx |
| 17:22.28 | resiak | Carla: OMG LOL CYBAR! |
| 17:22.32 | valdyn_ | nagual: yes, you can call me google |
| 17:22.34 | kaioswan | now |
| 17:22.37 | Carla | i dunno, i just wonderd |
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| 17:22.49 | nagual | actually i can call you whatever i like ;-)) |
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| 17:22.52 | kaioswan | may site |
| 17:22.57 | peterS | nagual: you can call me Al |
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| 17:23.22 | gnufan | Anyone want to guess which of the two megaraid drivers in the 2.6.11 codebase is going to work for me ;) It is a Dell Poweredge 400 with the ATA RAID controller - legacy sounds safe and boring - guess if I get it wrong I just have to rebuild and reboot? |
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| 17:23.57 | relex | is there a way to make an xserver use another file as a .xinitrc file? |
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| 17:24.07 | resiak | relex: ln -s otherfile .xinitrc |
| 17:24.10 | alexskan | hi all, is there any top-like bandwidth manager displaying the responsible program for each entry ? (as fuser -n tcp port does ) |
| 17:24.12 | valmet-- | how do i quit vi |
| 17:24.17 | resiak | valmet--: :q |
| 17:24.18 | asg | valmet--: :q! |
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| 17:24.21 | peterS | resiak: it's not the x server, it's whatever runs your X session. xdm, startx, whatever |
| 17:24.32 | gnufan | Argh I see I get a list of supported products in the help... <doh> Now to find where the various identification numbers live |
| 17:24.34 | valmet-- | ah thx |
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| 17:24.39 | peterS | resiak: so, those are where to look for this stuff |
| 17:24.39 | relex | resiak, no 'quick' way to do it? |
| 17:24.41 | valdyn_ | valmet--: Esc :q! |
| 17:24.52 | jpeg | or :wq |
| 17:24.56 | resiak | peterS: Sorry, I misunderstood his question. |
| 17:25.00 | jpeg | or :ZZ |
| 17:25.05 | resiak | jpeg: No : in ZZ |
| 17:25.08 | asg | jpeg: ZZ works without the : |
| 17:25.10 | runedude | Hey folks how do I eh... how do I make it so I can use a bigger resolution.. I'm limited at 800X600 atm, and I want 1024X768 |
| 17:25.14 | jim | right, no : |
| 17:25.15 | resiak | !drxx relex |
| 17:25.16 | dpkg | relex: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:25.17 | resiak | !drxx runedude |
| 17:25.18 | dpkg | runedude: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 17:25.19 | jim | just esc |
| 17:25.20 | resiak | relex: Sorry. |
| 17:25.28 | starfish | does anyone know how i would go about setting up my lexmark x1100 printer? |
| 17:25.30 | runedude | thanks |
| 17:25.37 | resiak | starfish: linuxprinting.org ? |
| 17:25.41 | kurtak | So I'm trying to customize aterm by adding some resource strings to ~/.Xdefaults, but that doesn't seem to do anything. Do you know if there's anything i have to do to get that file recognized and used? |
| 17:25.55 | resiak | kurtak: Why not ~/.Xresources ? |
| 17:26.03 | resiak | kurtak: man xrdb |
| 17:26.13 | mwilson | kurtak: Other than put them in the documented .Xresources ? |
| 17:26.22 | ejka | kurtak: xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults |
| 17:26.26 | kurtak | resiak: b/c i just read something online about how .Xresources is read once on startup and .Xdefaults is used more often |
| 17:26.45 | resiak | kurtak: Well, you can import your changes with xrdb -merge ~/.Xresources |
| 17:26.47 | ejka | kurtak: it's a myth |
| 17:26.53 | resiak | kurtak: And that's not true anyway. |
| 17:27.13 | runedude | resiak: do I need to logout of Gnome, and relogin? |
| 17:27.21 | resiak | runedude: Yes. |
| 17:27.22 | runedude | ok |
| 17:27.25 | runedude | cya folks thanks |
| 17:27.25 | kurtak | cool- thanks... i'll check out that man page too. |
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| 17:27.38 | resiak | kurtak: Read the manpage first :) |
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| 17:28.02 | kurtak | resiak: definitely. thanks for the tip! |
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| 17:29.35 | Ra|mis | how change language in sarge? |
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| 17:29.58 | peterS | Ra|mis: 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 17:31.37 | mwilson | hrm |
| 17:31.39 | gnufan | When you build a kernel (2.6) does it make some sort of stab at matching your hardware if no .config file exists? Just curious as either the defaults are very good, or my PC is very boring. |
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| 17:32.14 | peterS | gnufan: it reads the .config from your running kernel, if it exists, and starts from there |
| 17:33.24 | oranged | mm, compiling a new kernel? ;) |
| 17:33.25 | drac | i've been wondering on that same thing, it reads the config from /boot/config-$(uname -r) but is it possible to disable? |
| 17:33.39 | drac | deleting the /boot/config-$(uname -r) ? :p |
| 17:33.46 | gnufan | peterS, that might explain it, although I didn't think that info was in the old 2.4 kernel. |
| 17:33.53 | Pappa | i thought it was /proc/config.gz first if available |
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| 17:34.17 | peterS | drac: 'touch .config' first, I suppose, or 'make defconfig' |
| 17:34.22 | peterS | drac: then make menuconfig as usual |
| 17:34.31 | kurtak | Ah yeah... that's better! |
| 17:34.51 | gnufan | Right /boot/confing-mumbleversion probably where it go it... still the tricky bit has changed since 2.4 so good job I checked |
| 17:34.54 | peterS | drac: you may find 'make help' helpful (: |
| 17:34.59 | valmet-- | how do i make a new row between to existing rows in vi |
| 17:35.17 | drac | ok.. good to know.. since it's little annoying sometimes to disable everything default debian kernels offer :) |
| 17:35.17 | peterS | valmet--: 'o' to create a new line below the current |
| 17:35.23 | peterS | valmet--: or 'O' to create a new line above the current |
| 17:35.26 | paulswm | valmet--: or O for above |
| 17:35.29 | paulswm | crap |
| 17:35.39 | paulswm | beaten by the slowness of my packets |
| 17:35.44 | mwilson | peterS: Isn't one or the other of those vim-specific? |
| 17:35.51 | paulswm | No |
| 17:35.52 | peterS | mwilson: no |
| 17:35.59 | Pappa | "row" as in two-files-in-one-window ? |
| 17:36.04 | valmet-- | ah thx |
| 17:36.10 | Pappa | thought vi was non-free |
| 17:36.26 | KaioSVK | hey ... is there some soft to burn DL DVD to 4,7GB DVD ? and something like DVD Shrink for win ? |
| 17:36.33 | peterS | Pappa: the original berkeley vi might be non-free. but there are several free editors that look and feel pretty much exactly like it |
| 17:36.38 | paulswm | nvi is vi oretty much |
| 17:36.43 | paulswm | s/or/pr/ |
| 17:36.43 | gnufan | Damn - tip of the day - don't "vim" named-pipes ;) |
| 17:36.49 | mwilson | vi *is* non-free. |
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| 17:36.53 | mwilson | nvi is the BSD vi. |
| 17:37.06 | Yaroon | So it's dead? |
| 17:37.07 | mwilson | "bug-for-bug compatible" is what they claim. |
| 17:37.09 | peterS | gnufan: hehe |
| 17:37.22 | mwilson | Yaroon: Whatever that's supposed to mean. |
| 17:37.31 | Yaroon | :) |
| 17:37.40 | Denn- | what was it i shoud type when booting up my debian cd, to install 3.1 kernel? |
| 17:37.45 | mwilson | Ah, another cluebie. |
| 17:37.55 | alexskan | hi all, is there any top-like bandwidth manager displaying the responsible program for each entry ? (as fuser -n tcp port does ) |
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| 17:38.22 | greg__ | hello! |
| 17:38.33 | paulswm | nvi is the BSD vi, i.e. based on the original as that's where vi came from |
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| 17:38.51 | mwilson | No, nvi is a clean-room implementation. |
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| 17:39.03 | runedude | How do I configure sound? |
| 17:39.05 | runedude | :| |
| 17:39.11 | mwilson | Like nail is a clean-room mail. |
| 17:39.24 | paulswm | I meant functional copy, not based on, my bad |
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| 17:39.52 | paulswm | but of course vi came from BSD |
| 17:39.52 | peterS | yeah, 'clone of' is less ambiguous than 'based on' |
| 17:39.56 | oranged | runedude, http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&threadid=224547 |
| 17:39.58 | mwilson | Although nail has many many more features than BSD mail. |
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| 17:40.30 | paulswm | peterS: Well clone of implies copy also, I started to write that then backspaced :) |
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| 17:41.18 | alex390x_ | i have a question about wireless networking..i switched kernels and my essid isnt correct even though its in the /etc/network/interfaces, although the WEP remains correct, this happened when i changed to a 2.6 kernel..any ideas?..pm me if you can help |
| 17:42.05 | drasko_ | how to insert subtitles in xine... where is that option in gui... All I see are some chanells... I don't understand a thing here... |
| 17:42.14 | Denn- | When im booting up my Debian cd, and i want to install the newer kernel on the CD, what should i type then? |
| 17:42.17 | runedude | got it hanks |
| 17:42.30 | thingfish | Denn-: linux26 |
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| 17:42.49 | thingfish | if you're talking about the debian-installer cd. |
| 17:43.02 | thingfish | although the latest one defaults to that I think. |
| 17:43.08 | Kupal[]__ | anyone offer any suggestions towards a linuxse server build? |
| 17:43.29 | Kupal[]__ | im completely clueless to what linuxse -other then its deffinition. |
| 17:43.37 | Kupal[]__ | so this is a learning proc for me. |
| 17:43.55 | drasko_ | how to insert subtitles in xine... where is that option in gui... All I see are some chanells... I don't understand a thing here... |
| 17:44.04 | abrotman | #xine |
| 17:44.12 | abrotman | Kupal[]__: rephrase your question |
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| 17:44.48 | Kupal[]__ | abrotman: if i wanted to use linuxse what would i need? |
| 17:44.55 | abrotman | what is linuxse? |
| 17:45.00 | abrotman | i know what linux is .. |
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| 17:45.16 | phogg | Kupal[]__: do you mean SELinux? |
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| 17:45.25 | Yaroon | It's Linux with NSA's Security Enhancements. |
| 17:45.25 | citral | special edition? |
| 17:45.26 | Kupal[]__ | security enabled linux kernel, and user space tools |
| 17:45.35 | Kupal[]__ | phogg: your right.. |
| 17:45.41 | kyncani | special edition, ha ha :) |
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| 17:45.48 | plagerism | Okay this is a ubuntu related problem, however I have a apt question. I was trying to install a package ia32-libs, and I get this error message error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1`: No Such file or directory |
| 17:46.03 | citral | #ubuntu damnit |
| 17:46.06 | plagerism | How would i find out what it is trying to link from and link to?? |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | !tell plagerism about search |
| 17:46.27 | plagerism | citral, I know but they never seem to answer questions |
| 17:46.31 | abrotman | since i assume libGL is missing |
| 17:46.38 | abrotman | plagerism: then use debian .. not ubuntu |
| 17:46.46 | citral | plagerism: then install debian, if you want real support. |
| 17:46.53 | plagerism | abrotman, at the time there was a problem with the netinst |
| 17:47.02 | abrotman | not now |
| 17:47.04 | plagerism | And I wanted to get my brand new AMD64 system up and running |
| 17:47.18 | plagerism | citral, you are mostly right |
| 17:47.20 | abrotman | plagerism: unrelated .. debian-amd64 maintains thier own stuff |
| 17:47.24 | plagerism | or people not paying attention |
| 17:47.29 | mwilson | No, just the clueless. |
| 17:48.17 | plagerism | I know abrotman, infact I ussually harrass them because the maintainers of the ubuntu-amd64 port are ussually in there |
| 17:48.21 | citral | I'll have a look one day or another. For now it's lunch time :P |
| 17:48.26 | abrotman | plagerism: you sohld really install debian proper |
| 17:48.38 | paulswm | citral: there were people who knew what they were talking about in #ubuntu ealier, plus the clueless |
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| 17:48.55 | Kupal[] | yeah i got killed. |
| 17:48.59 | peterS | abrotman: you have to admit it's kind of a sad joke to say 'debian proper' when amd64 has not been let into the debian archive yet (: |
| 17:49.03 | plagerism | paulswm probably are, but for some reason they always ignore my questions |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | peterS: i blame James :) |
| 17:49.23 | peterS | he's a handy scapegoat (: |
| 17:49.24 | minux | Grr, are your mailinglists brain-dead? They don't fucking understand that I don't the fucking mail from debian-project.... |
| 17:49.25 | paulswm | plagerism: just be carful about listening to kbrooks |
| 17:49.29 | gnufan | I figure unresolved symbols whilst running dpkg -i <kernelimage> is bad :( |
| 17:49.38 | abrotman | peterS: he is ... though i'm sure it's not all his fault :) |
| 17:49.54 | plagerism | Actually I think my problem is in connection to a post on the Ubuntu Wiki |
| 17:49.55 | Kupal[] | SElinux, did anyone respond to this? |
| 17:50.00 | plagerism | Before they have the ia32-libs package |
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| 17:50.37 | Kupal[] | can one run debian and still run SELinux or is SELinux just that, another distro? |
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| 17:51.00 | plagerism | so if I see this message error creating symbolic link `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1`: No Such file or directory, `./usr/lib32/libGL.so.1 or another file doesnt exist?? |
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| 17:51.07 | Yaroon | Kupal[]: SELinux is just a set of kernel add-ons. |
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| 17:51.16 | Yaroon | Kupal[]: so yes, you can run Debian + SELinux. |
| 17:51.26 | peterS | Kupal[]: some selinux stuff can be installed in debian but I don't know if the entire distribution has been made convenient to run sensibly under selinux yet |
| 17:51.27 | Yaroon | I believe you can even apt-get it. |
| 17:51.29 | ejka | Kupal[]: debian doesn't support selinux officially yet. Try it |
| 17:51.29 | ejka | if you are brave |
| 17:51.38 | gnufan | Kupal[], have you installed and read selinux-doc package? |
| 17:51.40 | mega_ | HIiiiiiii to everybody!!!!! |
| 17:51.44 | Kupal[] | Yaroon: hmm |
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| 17:52.00 | Yaroon | Kupal[]: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/ First link in Google search for selinux. |
| 17:52.05 | peterS | Yaroon: the world is a lot more complicated than that. it's not "just" a kernel patch. you need cooperation from certain apps in order for selinux to actually *do* anything useful |
| 17:52.06 | Kupal[] | gnufan: no.. my server is remote btw i will be chrooted done this once in a chroot. |
| 17:52.13 | Yaroon | peterS: yes I know. |
| 17:52.24 | Kupal[] | Yaroon: i was going to search after discussion as I have searched before and got alot of conflictions. |
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| 17:52.26 | mega_ | hiiiiiiiii |
| 17:52.34 | Carla | hi |
| 17:52.34 | paolo | Hi guys! I need help! I have a debian testing box behind a ip-masquerading gateway. The gateway is online on the internet. From the box I can ping the gateway, and the remaining local net too, but I can't ping beyond the gateway, in the internet. The route command gives me: |
| 17:52.37 | Kupal[] | wanted to do a human reality check before proceeding. |
| 17:52.40 | paolo | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
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| 17:52.42 | mega_ | who now me?? |
| 17:52.46 | paolo | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:52.54 | peterS | Yaroon: having to reboot into a non-selinux-enabled kernel environment just to run 'apt-get install', for example, is quite a hack |
| 17:52.54 | paolo | default misiongenovesa 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 17:53.02 | paolo | Any idea? |
| 17:53.07 | Yaroon | Hehe. |
| 17:53.08 | Kupal[] | IE the whole SElinux would be a joke as it would make things instable. or in otherwords would behave like it where compromised. |
| 17:53.13 | mega_ | hii Carla. Are you spanish? |
| 17:53.14 | Kupal[] | this box will be production btw. |
| 17:53.22 | Carla | no mega_ |
| 17:53.39 | anymous | paolo: what are you trying to ping? are you sure it answers ping requests? |
| 17:54.04 | mega_ | but you have a spanish name, ins?t it? |
| 17:54.11 | paolo | anymous: I'm trying to ping the dns server |
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| 17:54.34 | anymous | paolo: and the gateway is running debian? |
| 17:54.42 | paolo | anymous: yes |
| 17:54.46 | peterS | Kupal[]: selinux *is* complex. there is always a tradeoff between functionality and security. selinux lets you pick that tradeoff anywhere from "exactly as secure as normal Linux" to "so secure you can't get anything done". setting it up to where you want it in between is not trivial |
| 17:54.51 | anymous | is ip_forward turned on? |
| 17:55.04 | jon273 | should i be able to start apache2 using /etc/init.d/apache2 start ? |
| 17:55.13 | Carla | someone else thought that i had a portugees name mega_ :p |
| 17:55.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 17:55.18 | paolo | anymous: the gateway performs perfectly its ip-masquerading work with other local net pc |
| 17:55.53 | marinos | jon273: if you have set NOBOOT=0 in /etc/default/apache2 |
| 17:55.53 | Kupal[] | peterS: sounds like im good to use it then :) |
| 17:55.56 | paolo | anymous: the pc with trouble is a newly installed ubuntu |
| 17:56.03 | Kupal[] | peterS: i don't have to worry i can just turn it off ... |
| 17:56.05 | jon273 | i have |
| 17:56.13 | marinos | em sorr NO_START=0 |
| 17:56.17 | peterS | Kupal[]: I believe that's correct. you can boot with a kernel parameter to disable it |
| 17:56.44 | Kupal[] | peterS: only last question is will i see any incompatablities in benign applications.. |
| 17:56.55 | marinos | and if the correct links are set in /etc/rc?.d/* |
| 17:57.06 | jon273 | nothing happens when I do /etc/init.d/apache2 start . when i run apache2ctl with no params i get: /usr/sbin/apache2ctl: line 98: /usr/sbin/apache2: No such file or directory |
| 17:57.12 | anymous | paolo what do you get when trying to ping? |
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| 17:57.16 | p | when I print to a local USB attached Epson C84 the cups manager says the job got deleted. I've copies the GIMP-PRINT PPD to the right directory then set it up using Gnome's add printer tool. is there anything mor to be done? should my regular user be in the 'lp' group? |
| 17:57.33 | peterS | Kupal[]: I believe until you start applying security policies, nothing changes. when you do apply security policies, apps that are classified in a particular category will have their functionality limited. what you want to do is make sure they can still do everythig they need to do for their normal operation |
| 17:57.53 | Kupal[] | gotcha. |
| 17:58.02 | marinos | jon273: probably you are missing something |
| 17:58.04 | marinos | :)) |
| 17:58.07 | jon273 | haha |
| 17:58.08 | jon273 | ok |
| 17:58.24 | peterS | Kupal[]: it's a complex process and I think if you get it wrong, what happens is that your apps mysteriously fail because they can't write to a file in /tmp or whatever the restriction is that you forgot about |
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| 17:58.55 | jon273 | i have literllay just installed testing, done: apt-get install apache2; and tried to start it (after a bit of configuring /etc/apache2/apache2.conf) |
| 17:59.17 | paolo | anymous: $ ping 196.3.81.5 |
| 17:59.17 | paolo | PING 196.3.81.5 (196.3.81.5) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 17:59.25 | paolo | nothing more |
| 17:59.47 | marinos | jon273: you have to get a apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 17:59.52 | peterS | paolo: same here |
| 17:59.57 | jon273 | ah |
| 18:00.00 | anymous | thats what I get, too. |
| 18:00.17 | jon273 | shouldn't that be instalkd as a dependency? |
| 18:00.21 | anymous | try "dig @196.3.81.5 www.debian.org" |
| 18:00.37 | peterS | anymous: seems to work fine |
| 18:01.21 | marinos | actually there are 3 packages doing the same |
| 18:01.51 | marinos | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.57 | paolo | anymous: $ dig @196.3.81.5 www.debian.org |
| 18:01.57 | paolo | ; <<>> DiG 9.2.4 <<>> @196.3.81.5 www.debian.org |
| 18:01.57 | paolo | ;; global options: printcmd |
| 18:01.57 | paolo | ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
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| 18:02.02 | marinos | put some are e3perimental |
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| 18:02.29 | gnufan | reboot time - If I'm not back shortly I guess it didn't work ;) |
| 18:02.43 | dearnapst | Im trying to let someone else ssh into my linix box but it wont accept my ip by the look of it I can connect fine trough lan ip. what do I need to change? |
| 18:02.50 | dearnapst | linux* |
| 18:02.55 | marinos | jon273: i thought they where ...did you installed with apt-get install apache2 ? |
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| 18:03.29 | marinos | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.32 | jon273 | marinos, yeah |
| 18:03.33 | jon273 | oh |
| 18:03.53 | anymous | paolo can you reach other boxes in the 192.168.*.* network? |
| 18:03.54 | jon273 | maybe i used libapache2-mod-perl-thingie |
| 18:04.00 | marinos | hmm |
| 18:04.03 | paolo | anymous: yes |
| 18:04.42 | Ra|mis | I can write in ntfs partition from user? |
| 18:04.49 | jon273 | yeah, actually i did: apt-get install libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 18:04.57 | paolo | anymous: wait... how do I check whether the gateway is doing ip-forwarding correctly? I fear there could be a problem with configuration when upgrading to shorewall 2.2... |
| 18:05.00 | anymous | just to be sure: misiongenovesa IS the name of the gateway on the other boxes, too, and resolved correctly? |
| 18:05.11 | paolo | anymous: it's the gateway |
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| 18:05.29 | paolo | anymous: it's resolved correctly |
| 18:05.42 | anymous | cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward should print "1" |
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| 18:06.13 | paolo | anymous: ahhhh! it prints 0! |
| 18:06.32 | anymous | paolo: on the gateway? |
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| 18:06.42 | paolo | anymous: yes! what shorewall config could it depend on? |
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| 18:07.08 | drac | paolo: look at file /etc/network/options |
| 18:07.23 | paolo | drac: looking for what' |
| 18:07.32 | drac | ip_forward=yes or no |
| 18:08.02 | paolo | drac: it has "no" |
| 18:08.08 | anymous | there you go. |
| 18:08.35 | ar3dam | hi there... i need to install c-client....?, how to install c-client? |
| 18:08.42 | abrotman | wtf is c-client? |
| 18:08.59 | paolo | drac: should I restart something? |
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| 18:09.25 | drac | paolo: I think you can just change it, and echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward, somebody correct me if i'm wrong. |
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| 18:09.42 | anymous | drac, paolo: should do. |
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| 18:10.16 | ejka | ar3dam: apt-get install libc-client2002edebian |
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| 18:11.08 | ex-op | hi, have problem with lilo - debian 2.6.11 |
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| 18:11.34 | ex-op | after running lilo is new label 'linux' added, but after reboot in lilo menu is only linux, not linuxOld, and uname -a shows old kernel |
| 18:11.39 | ex-op | any ideas ? |
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| 18:12.06 | paolo | drac, anymous: I does work! thank you!!!! |
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| 18:12.14 | anymous | paolo: welcome |
| 18:12.48 | anymous | ex-op: check /etc/lilo.conf, image= points to the kernel. |
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| 18:12.50 | abrotman | ex-op: check your lilo.conf .. |
| 18:12.51 | redloff | hi |
| 18:13.04 | ex-op | anymous: all ok there |
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| 18:13.31 | abrotman | ex-op: where does image= point? |
| 18:13.37 | ex-op | anymous: vmlinuz |
| 18:13.43 | anymous | ex-op, what does the image= line say, what does the filename actually point to? what does "ls -l <filename>" print... |
| 18:14.03 | astral5473 | hi folks |
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| 18:14.11 | anymous | ex-op, I think that should be /vmlinuz, and /vmlinuz a link to the actual kernel. |
| 18:14.22 | gnufan | Okay now on kernel 2.6.11 but I think I needed to update the /etc/modules.conf at some point in the upgrade? |
| 18:14.31 | ex-op | anymous: vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11 |
| 18:14.33 | abrotman | ex-op: ls -l /vmlinuz |
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| 18:15.00 | anymous | ex-op, don't think that relative pathnames work here. |
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| 18:15.24 | paolo | anymous, drac: will it work at next boot too? |
| 18:15.27 | abrotman | yes they do |
| 18:15.29 | ex-op | anymous: its all ok, i have the some running on another maschine |
| 18:15.41 | abrotman | ex-op: run /sbin/lilo |
| 18:15.47 | anymous | paolo, if you made the changes to /etc/network/options, yes. |
| 18:16.01 | redloff | my TVcard - machTV(bt878) keeps showing picture in b&w (maybe some slight faded colours) no matter what parameters I put with modprobe bttv, when I switch to secam, it's better, but colours are distorted (dominative yellow). What should do to get right colours? (they're fine under win98) |
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| 18:16.27 | ex-op | anymous: for some reason after running lilo (it sayz added linux linuxOld) lilo has only one entry in menu and boots old kernel |
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| 18:17.43 | anymous | ex-op then /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.11 is the old kernel I would say. |
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| 18:18.45 | somboku | passt jetzt? |
| 18:18.46 | Carla | is hier iemand nederlands? |
| 18:18.47 | ex-op | anymous: no way |
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| 18:19.18 | ex-op | anymous: uname -a : .... 2.4.27 |
| 18:19.39 | abrotman | !tell cornholio about away |
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| 18:20.20 | FloridaJin | Is there a way to skip partitioning and manually mount a target disk for installation? |
| 18:20.33 | abrotman | you just don't touch the partition table |
| 18:20.38 | anymous | ex-op, booting from the wrong device? |
| 18:20.41 | abrotman | you might still want to format it though |
| 18:20.54 | FloridaJin | Yeah, formatted it |
| 18:21.04 | FloridaJin | There's a problem tho |
| 18:21.17 | FloridaJin | It's not a standard disk, its just an image |
| 18:21.22 | abrotman | huh? |
| 18:21.24 | FloridaJin | So there is no partition table |
| 18:21.56 | astral5473 | hi folks, is there a way I can restore the bash shell to the root account without being root |
| 18:21.57 | ex-op | i think it has smtng to do with initrd-tools |
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| 18:22.30 | FloridaJin | an image file, that is. |
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| 18:22.48 | anymous | ex-op, but the kernel is loaded before the intird. |
| 18:23.13 | Pappa | is there some way i can make kde (qt( apps look like my gtk apps? (i like my gtk theme) |
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| 18:23.23 | Pappa | (qt)* |
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| 18:23.39 | ex-op | anymous: yes, but i had to use mkinitrd in order to boot it |
| 18:23.41 | starfish | is nvz in the room? |
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| 18:23.57 | jon273 | how do i change options with DebConf .... Debconf things for exim4? |
| 18:24.21 | SiliconViper | dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
| 18:24.31 | jethro | !room |
| 18:24.31 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 18:24.32 | ex-op | anymous: perhaps /boot/initrd.img is wrong now |
| 18:25.16 | starfish | nvz are ya here? |
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| 18:25.29 | Carla | spreekt hier iemand nederlands? |
| 18:25.35 | Pappa | i'm looking for the opposite of http://www.freedesktop.org/Software/gtk-qt |
| 18:25.45 | ex-op | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.53 | tuxthekiller | spricht hier wer deutsch |
| 18:25.56 | anymous | ex-op but that doesn't contain the kernel, but still check the initrd lines in lilo.conf and the files it points to. |
| 18:26.00 | fana | ja |
| 18:26.02 | valdyn_ | !german |
| 18:26.03 | dpkg | somebody said german was #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 18:26.08 | anymous | tuxthekiller: in debian-de the do. |
| 18:26.11 | jethro | valdyn_: that was dutch |
| 18:26.19 | Carla | jah thats right |
| 18:26.30 | valdyn_ | jethro: eh? deutsch = german |
| 18:26.34 | jon273 | SiliconViper, er, what did that do? |
| 18:26.37 | jethro | oh my bad, didn't read tuxthekiller |
| 18:26.38 | ex-op | anymous: i just commented initrd lines in liloconf out |
| 18:26.46 | jethro | valdyn_: carla spoke dutch, not deutsch |
| 18:26.49 | tuxthekiller | @fana:was hast du testing oder was |
| 18:26.50 | SiliconViper | jon273, what? |
| 18:26.56 | SiliconViper | <jon273> how do i change options with DebConf .... Debconf things for exim4? |
| 18:26.56 | SiliconViper | <SiliconViper> dpkg-reconfigure exim4 ? |
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| 18:26.57 | fana | ja testing |
| 18:27.04 | jethro | tuxthekiller: stick to english here |
| 18:27.09 | tuxthekiller | @fana:läuft das stabil |
| 18:27.10 | jethro | fana: same |
| 18:27.15 | fana | ok, sorry |
| 18:27.16 | SiliconViper | jon273, I was just answering your question. |
| 18:27.23 | Carla | I barely speak deutsch |
| 18:27.35 | jethro | tuxthekiller: fana : there is a german debian support channel in #debian.de |
| 18:28.18 | jon273 | SiliconViper, but it didn't appear to do anything. THe man page says it will ask questions |
| 18:28.23 | fana | there is nobody in #debian.de |
| 18:28.28 | jethro | !de |
| 18:28.28 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
| 18:28.36 | jethro | there should be :) |
| 18:28.46 | SiliconViper | jon273, It only asks questions if there are questions to be asked. |
| 18:28.56 | SiliconViper | Perhaps you target the wrong package. |
| 18:28.57 | anymous | jethro, same here... |
| 18:29.07 | Carla | wow dpkg do you speak duch 2? :\ |
| 18:29.09 | jethro | anymous: same what? |
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| 18:29.16 | anymous | "unfriendly" |
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| 18:29.33 | jon273 | SiliconViper, dpkg-reconfigure exim4 - shouldn't that allow me to change the smarthost? |
| 18:29.50 | SiliconViper | jon273, no. |
| 18:30.02 | SiliconViper | jon273, try dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 18:30.12 | anymous | ex-op: afraid Im lost. must be something with youre lilo.conf. |
| 18:30.18 | fana | #debian.de on same server like this channel ? |
| 18:30.19 | jethro | anymous: I never tried .de so I can't compare |
| 18:30.25 | jethro | fana: I think so |
| 18:30.48 | paulswm | !nl |
| 18:30.49 | dpkg | .NL is the Netherlands. See http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html |
| 18:30.54 | fana | tried serveral times but every time I join an empty one |
| 18:31.03 | jethro | fana: you need to be a registered user |
| 18:31.08 | jon273 | SiliconViper, ok, thanks. Although, how the hell was I supposed to know that? Where are the docs for stuff like that? (if there are seperate packages for config) |
| 18:31.08 | jethro | fana: /msg nickserv help |
| 18:31.09 | fana | ah ok |
| 18:31.39 | valdyn_ | anymous: debian.de can be a littler harsher on people who do not bother to read the faq and dont follow basic etiquette |
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| 18:32.10 | SiliconViper | jon273, I use bash-completion to figure it out. . /etc/bash_completion then dpkg-reconfigure exim4<tab><tab>. ^_~ But I'm sure there is a better way. |
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| 18:32.56 | anymous | valdyn_ that's the problem, it's ALL covered in some f*cking manual. |
| 18:33.19 | SiliconViper | jon273, also, if you're using a GUI, check out... 'gkdebconf' |
| 18:33.40 | zimnyx | echo 1 > foo; ln foo bar; echo 2 >> bar; cat foo gives: "1". why foo hasn;t changed? i edit its hard link.. i don;t get it. (fs = reiserfs) |
| 18:33.51 | valdyn_ | anymous: thats not what is usually the point, usually its one /topic in their irc client and one quick look on the faq mentioned in just that /topic ) |
| 18:33.55 | SiliconViper | jon273, It should help with that. It shows all packages that can be reconfigured, if I recall correctly... |
| 18:34.14 | jethro | anymous: not knowing all manpages is a thing, not bothering to read informations pointed by the channel topic is something else |
| 18:34.45 | anymous | ok, ok... |
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| 18:35.15 | jon273 | SiliconViper, cool, thanks m8 |
| 18:35.29 | SiliconViper | jon273, no worries. Glad to be useful. ^_~ |
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| 18:35.37 | SiliconViper | And now, off to sleep I scamper! |
| 18:35.41 | Kupal[] | the box that im installing over is a fedora core 2 box; yum is so slow.. i could use yum as a detonator and my only fear is that it would never explode as it would never finish searching ..... |
| 18:35.42 | SiliconViper | Night everyone. |
| 18:35.53 | Varg__ | when using a debian kernel-image: how can I prevent it from loading vesafb and using radeonfb instead when vga=775 is passed on boot? |
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| 18:37.35 | hulo_ | Varg__: edit your boot loader's config file |
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| 18:38.31 | hulo_ | Varg__: or if you have a boot loader that accepts command options, enter it manually |
| 18:38.31 | Varg__ | hulo_, I use grub. Which obtion should I pass? Problem is: radeonfb (new) seems to be compiled in whereas vesafb is in the debian initrd |
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| 18:39.35 | hulo_ | with something like append="video=radeonfb:1024x768-8" |
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| 18:40.01 | Varg__ | hulo_, been there, done that, din |
| 18:40.07 | hulo_ | look at /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/... for help |
| 18:40.08 | Varg__ | hulo, didn't work ;) |
| 18:40.09 | takatumi | Varg__: radeonfb sucks |
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| 18:40.39 | Varg__ | hulo_, vesafb still opts in first and radeonfb says it can't get the resources anymore |
| 18:40.42 | SiliconViper | takatumi, why? |
| 18:40.50 | hulo_ | yeah i personally never got atyfb to work for me. always just use vesa |
| 18:41.03 | valdyn_ | Varg__: what exactly did you add to your grubs config? |
| 18:41.07 | takatumi | SiliconViper: tried it? |
| 18:41.19 | SiliconViper | takatumi, once or twice, why? |
| 18:41.24 | Varg__ | video=radeonfb:1280x1024-16@60 |
| 18:41.29 | takatumi | Varg__: what exactly is your problem with vesafb? |
| 18:41.31 | Varg__ | hulo: video=radeonfb:1280x1024-16@60 |
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| 18:42.04 | Varg__ | takatumi, well I have a radeon card, so why not use the real thing? ;) works wonderfully on my laptop |
| 18:42.48 | SiliconViper | takatumi, I'm just rather curious as to what your rationale for stating that radeonfb sucks is? |
| 18:42.49 | hulo_ | what do you *need* fb for even? |
| 18:42.53 | takatumi | Varg__: tried a lot of stunts with radeonfb on my laptop, vesa with just vga=792 works great. |
| 18:43.09 | hulo_ | just to seem cool? |
| 18:43.13 | Varg__ | takatumi, 792 giving you which resolution? |
| 18:43.26 | Varg__ | hulo_, lots of console space |
| 18:43.36 | hulo_ | so vga=1 gives you that too |
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| 18:45.28 | Varg__ | hulo_, and btw: yeah, I have a shiny new computer and yeah, I want it to look and feel cool |
| 18:45.53 | anymous | night SiliconViper |
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| 18:46.59 | McLamb | how would you clear the emails in /var/mail/ i can't even do it with sudo |
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| 18:47.18 | valdyn_ | Varg__: video=vesa:off <- try |
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| 18:48.22 | anymous | McLamb: what did you try with sudo? |
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| 18:48.56 | Varg__ | valdyn_, ok I'll try that next, thanks! ;) |
| 18:49.06 | McLamb | rm /var/mail/www-data |
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| 18:50.16 | McLamb | anymous: is there a way to just clear it? |
| 18:50.17 | takatumi | Varg__: to get 1280x1024 you could try 793,794 or 795, 795 will give you 1280x1024 wih 16.7M colors. |
| 18:50.24 | anymous | McLamb: www-data's mail should have been forwarded to root. |
| 18:50.57 | McLamb | anymous: it looks like a record of mail thats been sent |
| 18:51.08 | takatumi | Varg__: 792 is 1024x768 16.7m colors |
| 18:51.08 | McLamb | cron logs and stuff |
| 18:51.34 | McLamb | and its just localmail so i don't have a problem deleting it |
| 18:51.35 | Varg__ | takatumi, ok, thnx! |
| 18:52.11 | anymous | McLamb: in fact, root mails should be forwarded to some human account, this human can then delete mails as usual. |
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| 18:52.58 | McLamb | anymous: it looks like sent mail, all mail is fowarded to my email account |
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| 18:53.54 | anymous | McLamb: when you just do "su", type in the root password, then you can do delete mails. |
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| 18:54.09 | drac | greg__: please don't. |
| 18:54.17 | McLamb | alright, let me try again, thanks |
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| 18:54.21 | McLamb | exit |
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| 18:54.40 | fanti | hey i'm looking for a "howto configure a wireless lan"-doc ? |
| 18:55.22 | Carla | bye |
| 18:55.29 | markybob | fanti ever heard of google? |
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| 18:56.54 | Mike77 | Hi there. I'm about to remove a package from a Debian instalation with 'apt-get remove'. How can I check if this process will affect other packages (dependencies) ? |
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| 18:57.23 | markybob | Mike77 by actually doing it. apt-get will warn you what else it'll change and give you the option to continue or not |
| 18:57.23 | drac | Mike77: Try 'dpkg -r package' first. |
| 18:57.27 | blabla2 | Hi guys. |
| 18:57.27 | gravity_ | Mike77: It'll tell you when you try to remove it. You can also do apt-cache show pkgname and look at the reverse dependencies |
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| 18:57.38 | nvz | starfish: don't do that |
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| 18:57.57 | blabla2 | i just installed courier-webadmin, and now ran into some trouble actually starting it. |
| 18:58.04 | HelmutG | hi. how to get the endianess in a shellscript. the method should be portable enough to use it in postinstall. |
| 18:58.13 | blabla2 | I guess i need a apache1 with perl support, right? |
| 18:58.17 | Mike77 | Reverse dependencies: that is what I was looking for. Thanks. |
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| 18:58.38 | nvz | damn, you sure can tell its sunday |
| 18:58.42 | gravity_ | endianess in a shell script? Wow, that's different |
| 18:58.42 | blabla2 | HelmutG, maybe the faq in the topic of #bash knows the answer |
| 18:59.02 | HelmutG | blabla2: i'll have a look. thanks. |
| 18:59.04 | nvz | I got ctcp pings from 3 different people, and some idiot was posing as dpkg |
| 18:59.13 | Delph | HelmutG: uname -n and switch on the machine type? |
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| 18:59.26 | HelmutG | Delph: i wanted to avoid that. |
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| 19:00.07 | HelmutG | Delph: if nothing helps, i'll have to do so., |
| 19:00.13 | Mike77 | Last question: where/how can I configure hardware in Debian (without reinstalling)? I can't find it in the documentation. Looking for sound/ethernet/video set up. |
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| 19:00.29 | valdyn_ | !faq Mike77 |
| 19:00.30 | dpkg | Mike77: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:00.39 | Todd_ | I accidentally deleted everything in /var/log, is there anyway to see whats not starting right because of this? |
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| 19:01.41 | Mike77 | Thanks valdyn_. |
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| 19:02.10 | ferris | i have a hardware question..... |
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| 19:02.30 | ferris | which pcmia nic card will work with debian? |
| 19:02.42 | valdyn_ | !tell Mike77 about alsa 2.6 |
| 19:02.55 | mikkel | i'v installed a new gtk, but how do i activate it ? |
| 19:03.03 | takatumi | ferris: avoid realtek is all I've heard. |
| 19:03.05 | gravity | ferris: Lots of them |
| 19:03.06 | nvz | ferris: be more specific |
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| 19:04.06 | ferris | nvz ... I have a sony viao laptop... i need a network card for it.... I want to buy one that will work without a lot of intensive work |
| 19:04.24 | ferris | i have been using a usb connection |
| 19:04.31 | ferris | it sux |
| 19:04.42 | DM | hello, does anyone know why i get df: `/.dev': No such file or directory when cron runs /etc/cron.daily/checksecurity |
| 19:04.44 | Pappa | now wth |
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| 19:04.50 | Pappa | my sister has a windows box |
| 19:04.56 | gravity | ferris: Many cards work. Just find one and then google to see if it's supported |
| 19:05.04 | ferris | ok |
| 19:05.07 | ferris | thanks gravity |
| 19:05.19 | Pappa | as soon as i plug it in my router goes crazy. seems like it's DoS'in the internal network. i yank the cord, the net's all fine. |
| 19:05.29 | gravity | ferris: No problem. Unfortunately, the old linux hardware database is dead so I can't point you to something better, unless you know specific PCI id's |
| 19:05.36 | valdyn_ | DM: "df" as root, does it mention something like /dev/.static.. ? |
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| 19:06.17 | l1nux | any one try dpkg -S /etc/apache/modules.conf (for me) ? |
| 19:06.29 | DM | valydyn_: nope, heres the email Cron <root@debian> test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily /etc/cron.daily/checksecurity: df: `/.dev': No such file or directory find: /.dev: No such file or directory |
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| 19:06.35 | l1nux | because i have remover /etc/apache folder |
| 19:06.35 | adexta | hey guys |
| 19:06.39 | adexta | so i got the installer going |
| 19:06.43 | l1nux | removed* |
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| 19:06.55 | adexta | but now it's hanging on a download from a mirror i selected |
| 19:07.05 | drac | l1nux: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search <file> |
| 19:07.10 | adexta | it's stuck at "0% waiting for headers" |
| 19:07.17 | gravity | adexta: Sounds like your mirror or your net connection is bad |
| 19:07.23 | valdyn_ | DM: yes yes, /dev/.static/ would be a temprary thing for some package upgrade |
| 19:07.23 | gravity | Or something similar |
| 19:07.24 | DM | do ctrl-c and try again |
| 19:07.24 | l1nux | drac ok |
| 19:07.37 | valdyn_ | DM: so you check and that doesnt exist.? |
| 19:07.43 | adexta | can i stop it and try a different mirro? |
| 19:07.53 | jon273 | what do i need to do to get squirrelmail running (apart from installing it). Do i need to include /etc/squirrlemail/apache.conf in /etc/apache2/apache.conf ? |
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| 19:08.15 | adexta | nm |
| 19:08.15 | DM | valdyn_: I have nothing to do with running it, something automatically does |
| 19:08.18 | adexta | it timed out |
| 19:08.29 | DM | adexta: just try again |
| 19:08.29 | adexta | and let me choose a different mirror |
| 19:08.36 | DM | does that sometimes |
| 19:08.52 | adexta | tried a different mirror |
| 19:08.53 | valdyn_ | DM: i know that you have nothing to do with cron - does /dev/.static exist? |
| 19:09.01 | adexta | tried MIT and it's working fine |
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| 19:09.43 | DM | valdyn_: yes |
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| 19:10.05 | l1nux | drac, nothing :/ |
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| 19:11.26 | valdyn_ | DM: ok, if you didnt reboot lately, i would try that to see if that fixes that cron thing too. There has been a change in udev moving /.dev/ to /dev/.static/, I have no idea about details, but i guess that that change is causing your error. |
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| 19:12.21 | DM | i rebooted yesterday trying to fix exim, would it be alright to just link /.dev to /dev/.static |
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| 19:13.08 | lizsac | has anyone here created a debian package from the perl 5.8.6 source? |
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| 19:13.23 | valdyn_ | DM: That "error" shouldnt cause you problems at all, no reason to fix it. |
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| 19:13.42 | DM | ok, i'll just leave it, thanks |
| 19:14.41 | blabla2 | does anyone have a idea how to get the courier webadmin stuff working? i got the html and perl stuff in the webroot of some apache, but it doesnt seem to work anyway... |
| 19:14.48 | DSE | hi, anybody here with working sound on an ultra5 with kernel 2.6? |
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| 19:15.10 | Varg__ | where is the LANGUAGE default set in a base debian system? |
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| 19:15.35 | lizsac | don't make me make install this mofo |
| 19:15.39 | cprior | blabla2: is "doesnt seem to work" == doesn't do anyting upon password entry? |
| 19:15.40 | lizsac | heh |
| 19:15.46 | valdyn_ | DM: if you care about details: this is an unfortunate side effect ( or bug ). in fixing: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=294968 |
| 19:15.58 | gravity | Varg__: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:16.12 | lizsac | well there it goes |
| 19:16.17 | lizsac | screw packaging |
| 19:16.27 | DM | alright, appriciate the help valdyn_ |
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| 19:16.40 | blabla2 | cprior, well...i just symlinked the stuff in /usr/share/courier/webadmin to my webroot and then it lists the directory. so i tried clicking onto some of the stuff, and i get tons of errors. |
| 19:16.52 | gaasfet | whats the command for making a deb in a directory where all has been compiled OK ? |
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| 19:16.58 | vitriol | i think i broke apt/dpkg :( |
| 19:17.05 | vitriol | "You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these." |
| 19:17.13 | vitriol | i run that, and it is still very much broken |
| 19:17.15 | blabla2 | cprior, now, that i installed libapache-mod-perl i at least seem to be nearer to the goal, but i still get: |
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| 19:17.26 | Varg__ | gravity, then where does LANGUAGE get the idea that it is set to "en_DE"...? |
| 19:17.50 | gravity | Varg__: I don't know |
| 19:17.52 | blabla2 | cprior, The requested URL /webadmin/@ME@ was not found on this server. |
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| 19:18.13 | blabla2 | cprior, if i go to login.html and login with the passwort set in the config file |
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| 19:18.19 | cprior | blabla2: oh sorry, no, I have no idea about that. I had cgi working before. Is it the webroot for you or do you have a dedicated cgi-bin? |
| 19:18.55 | blabla2 | should be working just about everywhere...sorry - i am not familiar with this machine, but it might be a good hint, thanks |
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| 19:19.11 | cprior | blabla2: try a basic cgi script before, plain vanilla hello world |
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| 19:19.27 | blabla2 | okay. |
| 19:19.45 | Varg__ | gravity, oups, gettext wasn't installed for starters ;) |
| 19:19.47 | cprior | blabla2: I saw many usenet posts 3 weeks ago when I installed courier, you need to pay attention to permissions of the passwd file |
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| 19:20.11 | gravity_ | grrr |
| 19:20.16 | cprior | blabla2: and if in doubt, copy the webadmin file with cp -pa into the webroot |
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| 19:20.22 | resiak | gaasfet: If the file ./debian/rules exists, ./debian/rules binary . If that file doesn't exist, you have to look into dh-make or just install to /usr/local |
| 19:20.31 | cprior | blabla2: actually, does your apache accept symlinks?? |
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| 19:20.51 | blabla2 | cprior, well...i thought if it lists the files it has to, doesnt it? |
| 19:20.52 | Varg__ | gravity, but I still get: perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
| 19:20.58 | blabla2 | since they are symlinked into the webroot |
| 19:21.04 | blabla2 | 'll copy em |
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| 19:21.14 | Denn- | How to change the language of my Linux installation? |
| 19:21.20 | gravity_ | Varg__: What are you trying to do, exactly? |
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| 19:21.35 | gravity_ | Denn-: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:21.36 | jethro | Denn-: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:21.46 | vitriol | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 19:21.47 | vitriol | :\ |
| 19:21.54 | cprior | blabla2: try it, for the fun of it. I dunno about "precedence" of Indexes and FollowSymlinks |
| 19:21.56 | resiak | vitriol: Look further up and see what the error is. |
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| 19:22.27 | blabla2 | cprior, okay...didnt fix it. |
| 19:22.34 | blabla2 | so i'll try a basic cgi to test |
| 19:22.39 | resiak | !tell blabla2 -about enter. |
| 19:22.40 | vitriol | resiak: it has to do with enlightenment cvs packages...i removed the repository for the e17 packages, but dpkg still wants to upgrade them |
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| 19:22.46 | vitriol | at least i think that is what is happening.... |
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| 19:22.54 | resiak | vitriol: dpkg -r packagenames |
| 19:22.59 | dna_ | how do I find out my current ip address? |
| 19:23.03 | resiak | vitriol: But what's the error message? |
| 19:23.08 | jethro | !myip |
| 19:23.08 | dpkg | i guess myip is /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub"addr:","";print $2}', or hostname -i, or "ip a s eth0 | grep inet | cut -d' ' -f6", or /sbin/ifconfig eth0|perl -ne 'if /addr:s*(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+)/ {print qq|$1\n|}' |
| 19:23.09 | Varg__ | gravity, I installed a base debian system in a chroot. when installing packages, I get this message. LANGUAGE is now en_US:en_GB:en (which is as I want it to be), locales are refreshed and generated .... dunno what's still the problem |
| 19:23.23 | adexta | base install is done |
| 19:23.26 | Denn- | jethro gravity i want my keyboard layout to be danish, and the system language to be english |
| 19:23.39 | nvz | ffs, just ask google what your ip is, thats fucking insane |
| 19:23.49 | Varg__ | gravity: LANGUAGE = "en_US:en_GB:en", LC_ALL = (unset), LC_CTYPE = "de_DE@euro", LANG = "en_US" |
| 19:23.53 | blabla2 | resiak, sry |
| 19:23.54 | adexta | how does one get X and gtk/qt/window manager etc.. |
| 19:24.00 | resiak | !faq adexta |
| 19:24.01 | dpkg | adexta: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 19:24.12 | Denn- | jethro gravity i want my keyboard layout to be danish, and the system language to be english |
| 19:24.16 | gravity_ | Varg__: I'm afraid I don't now how to help you, I'm sorry |
| 19:24.20 | jethro | !tell denn -about repeat |
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| 19:24.45 | vitriol | resiak: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/enlightenment-data_1%3a0.16.7.2final-1_all.deb (--unpack): |
| 19:24.48 | vitriol | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:24.50 | Varg__ | gravity, np ;) |
| 19:24.56 | Varg__ | gravity, thanks anyway! |
| 19:24.59 | resiak | vitriol: ...so remove e16! |
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| 19:25.03 | gravity_ | Varg__: Good luck |
| 19:25.05 | vitriol | ahh |
| 19:25.15 | vitriol | resiak: ok thanks i'll do that :) |
| 19:25.29 | resiak | vitriol: Apparently they don't peacefully coexist. As you can see, e17 is trying to replace a file that e16-data has put in place. |
| 19:25.39 | nvz | I'm going to relocate. be back shortly |
| 19:25.55 | vitriol | resiak: yep that was right...its fixed now |
| 19:25.56 | vitriol | thank you |
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| 19:26.20 | dugo | Hi, debian sarge install ip filter at install? |
| 19:26.21 | jethro | Denn-: you set the keyboard layout with loadkeys |
| 19:26.47 | jethro | Denn-: you set the keyboard layout with loadkeys in console even |
| 19:26.48 | dna_ | what is the bcast address on ifconfig? |
| 19:27.01 | resiak | vitriol: Not a problem. Any time :) |
| 19:27.01 | jethro | Denn-: and you can also set the keyboard layout in xfree configuration file |
| 19:27.13 | caphuso | dna_: broadcast |
| 19:27.37 | gravity_ | dugo: If you want one |
| 19:28.01 | dugo | gravity how to know if i got it? i dont want any firewall i got a router |
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| 19:28.35 | gravity_ | dugo: What do you classify as the difference between an ip filter and a firewall? It's basically the same thing |
| 19:29.04 | Plugster | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:29.06 | Plugster | how do i remove a prg apt-get remove bind does not work i got a subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:29.13 | cprior | !tell cprior -about enter. |
| 19:29.29 | gravity_ | cprior: /msg dpkg enter |
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| 19:29.36 | jethro | gravity_: one could argue that IP filter, statefull or not, works at the IP layer, where a firewall could work at the application layer, preventing fooapp from accessing some hosts, and so on |
| 19:30.05 | gravity_ | jethro: There aren't any application-level firewalls around in Linux though, at least that I've seen |
| 19:30.12 | dugo | jethro how to disable ip filter please |
| 19:30.12 | rabidgoblin | what would i install from apt-get to get gl.h? |
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| 19:30.38 | gravity_ | Ugh... sunday |
| 19:30.41 | cprior | gravity_: thanks /topic refers to the faq and /msg dpkg guidelines, both didn't answer that to me |
| 19:30.43 | jethro | gravity_: well there are, since you can filter on a per user base (matching uids) which is at the application layer imho |
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| 19:31.15 | gravity_ | cprior: That probably means dpkg is down for now. Try /msg apt instead maybe. Or /msg ravenbird |
| 19:31.29 | gravity_ | jethro: You're nit-picking here |
| 19:31.36 | jethro | gravity_: indeed :) |
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| 19:31.55 | mlalkaka | if i install a gnome theme engine from www.gnome-look.org, should i install it to prefix /usr/local even though it says to install it to /usr ? |
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| 19:32.21 | Plugster | how do i remove a prg? i used apt-get remove bind, but i got an error |
| 19:32.31 | gravity_ | mlalkaka: It doesn't matter. Do what you prefer. |
| 19:32.42 | gravity_ | Plugster: What's the error? |
| 19:32.42 | Plugster | subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 1 |
| 19:32.54 | mlalkaka | gravity_, so it will be found by gnome in both locations? |
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| 19:33.08 | gravity_ | mlalkaka: I'm not sure |
| 19:33.20 | gravity_ | mlalkaka: I think you can use gnome itself to install a new theme. It's in a control panel somewhere |
| 19:33.24 | mlalkaka | gravity_, i've been told to install all non-debian packages in /usr/local to keep it separate from the debian stuff |
| 19:33.27 | Epix | okkkk i need tpo boot into the netinst CD but my BIOS cant boot CDROMS. How can i booot? |
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| 19:33.36 | mlalkaka | gravity_, but this is a theme engine |
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| 19:33.48 | gravity_ | mlalkaka: Right, which is why it really doesn't matter |
| 19:33.51 | blabla2 | cprior, isntz libapache-mod-perl everything needed to get this perl thingy work with apache? well - and a correct configuration of course... |
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| 19:34.01 | mlalkaka | gravity_, ok thanks :) |
| 19:34.07 | gravity_ | mlalkaka: Try installing to /usr/local. If that doesn't work, just install to /usr. |
| 19:34.09 | Epix | ? |
| 19:34.20 | mlalkaka | gravity_, alright |
| 19:34.34 | dna_ | I am wanting to use a port to open up a shoutcast server and port 8000 is already in use. How do I found out what is going on in that port? |
| 19:34.42 | Plugster | gravity_ i try to temove bind, but i only got the error that file dosen't exist, but the process do.. |
| 19:34.44 | mlalkaka | Epix, is it that you BIOS can't boot to cdrom or is it that the boot sequence is not configured correctly? |
| 19:34.52 | jethro | dna_: netstat -anp --inet |
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| 19:35.02 | gravity_ | Plugster: Did you manually delete anything? |
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| 19:35.11 | Epix | mlalkaka: the bios cant boot CDROM |
| 19:35.13 | Plugster | nope... |
| 19:35.16 | gaasfet | resiak: thanks, ./debian/rules binary seems to want to install into /usr/bin not make a .deb ? |
| 19:35.23 | Epix | mlalkaka: it's too old |
| 19:35.32 | resiak | gaasfet: ... Are you sure? |
| 19:35.32 | Plugster | gravity_ no, were are all the files for bind located? |
| 19:35.37 | debian4U2 | is anyone using a linksys pcm100 v2 NIC ? |
| 19:35.38 | resiak | gaasfet: If so, that's a wrongly-written debian/rules |
| 19:35.39 | mlalkaka | Epix, then i think you can get some debian boot floppies from www.debian.org. i'm not sure though |
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| 19:35.50 | Epix | ok |
| 19:35.56 | dna_ | word thank you jethro |
| 19:36.00 | resiak | gaasfet: Funny, because I heard from directhex (not here ATM) that e17 has a good debian/rules |
| 19:36.03 | resiak | !word |
| 19:36.04 | dpkg | word to your mutha! |
| 19:36.07 | gravity_ | Plugster: Well it shouldn't be telling you that a file isn't there if you didn't delete anything by hand |
| 19:36.08 | Epix | mlalkaka: Can I have a full link to the floppy itself? |
| 19:36.23 | mlalkaka | Epix, what do you mean? |
| 19:36.44 | Plugster | i only use apt-get remove bind and got /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.prerm: /etc/init.d/bind: No such file or directory |
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| 19:37.03 | gravity_ | Plugster: What happened to your init script? |
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| 19:37.28 | Plugster | never had one for bind |
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| 19:37.38 | gravity | Plugster: Er... why not? Bind should have installed one |
| 19:37.42 | Epix | mlalkaka: i can't find the link for the floppies... can you tell me what it is |
| 19:38.14 | Plugster | i don't know it was like that when i got the server.. it is a dedicated server, i'm only reinting it... |
| 19:38.14 | mlalkaka | Epix, i really dont know. i think i've seen it somewhere on the site. try google.com |
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| 19:38.38 | Plugster | i start it with ndc start |
| 19:38.39 | Epix | mlalkaka: ok |
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| 19:38.50 | markybob | Epix http://www.debian.org/distrib/floppyinst |
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| 19:39.05 | gravity | Plugster: Well, whoever did this fucked your installation somehow |
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| 19:39.18 | Mini_tuna | hello |
| 19:39.26 | Plugster | ok, bad config? |
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| 19:39.33 | debian4U2 | where can i find out if a linksys PCM100v.2 NIC card will work with debian? |
| 19:39.34 | gnufan | My 2.4 to 2.6 joy continues. Made a "modprobe.conf" with the tool from the module_init... package. It now complains it doesn't include /etc/modules.d (but I can live with that). Audio now works if I modprobe the relevant hardware driver, it gets the rest, but the webcam is playing dead. It recognises devices being plugged in and out as USB port status changes, but doesn't give the old 2.4 messages about devices being recognised or not.... where now |
| 19:39.39 | Mini_tuna | I have a hopefully simple question |
| 19:39.42 | gravity | Plugster: Someone deleted something they shouldn't have |
| 19:39.57 | gravity | Plugster: You can do something like "touch /etc/init.d/bind" and then try to remove again and see how that goes |
| 19:39.57 | Plugster | seems like it... |
| 19:39.58 | Mini_tuna | How do you change the startup message in the debian concole |
| 19:40.08 | gravity | debian4U2: Google |
| 19:40.18 | dna_ | I have a server up on port 8000 but it has no ip address. Is there a reason for that? |
| 19:40.23 | Mini_tuna | google didnt help |
| 19:40.26 | gravity | Mini_tuna: /etc/motd |
| 19:40.33 | Mini_tuna | ahh |
| 19:40.36 | Mini_tuna | thanks |
| 19:40.41 | Mini_tuna | i oculdnt remmeber |
| 19:40.43 | markybob | debian4U2 which chipset does it use? |
| 19:40.53 | l3m | gnufan: apt-get install discover |
| 19:40.56 | Plugster | the same gravity_ |
| 19:40.56 | debian4U2 | gravity... i have googled the part and linux and debian.... but i am not getting any returns |
| 19:41.06 | calin | zion:/home/calin# grub-install /dev/hda3 |
| 19:41.07 | calin | The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly. |
| 19:41.07 | calin | am i missing file sir is it just being a bitch? |
| 19:41.11 | gravity | Plugster: You get the same error about the file not being there even when you create the file? |
| 19:41.23 | jethro | dna_: it means it's bound to all your available interfaces |
| 19:41.26 | gravity | debian4U2: Probably not then |
| 19:41.34 | dna_ | that is good then |
| 19:41.35 | dna_ | :) |
| 19:41.43 | Plugster | i neter the string you said... |
| 19:41.46 | gnufan | l3m: is that the 2.6 way - or just a useful tool - apt running |
| 19:42.01 | Plugster | but no such file was created... |
| 19:42.08 | gravity | Plugster: Did you do it as root? |
| 19:42.09 | l3m | gnufan: it autodetects the required modules |
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| 19:42.13 | Plugster | jup |
| 19:42.15 | gravity | Plugster: touch creates a file if none exists |
| 19:42.28 | gravity | Plugster: You did something wrong. touch /etc/init.d/bind |
| 19:42.30 | clojster | someone know where can I get Vrlihub Debian Package? |
| 19:42.36 | clojster | *Verlihub |
| 19:42.59 | l3m | gnufan: with it, you usually only have to load custom modules such as the nvidia driver explicitly |
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| 19:43.15 | gravity | Plugster: Of if you want, just create an empty file there. Whatever. |
| 19:43.28 | Plugster | i did that using nano |
| 19:43.46 | markybob | Plugster apt-get --reinstall install foo && apt-get remove foo |
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| 19:45.07 | Plugster | markybob invalid operation when i do that |
| 19:45.16 | debian4U2 | ok, on the Linksys site it says that all of their nics are Linux ready, providing you are using kernel 2.X |
| 19:45.22 | debian4U2 | thanks |
| 19:45.30 | markybob | Plugster invalid operation? i dont believe you |
| 19:45.44 | Plugster | Invalid operation reinstall |
| 19:45.54 | zuralin | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 19:45.57 | markybob | Plugster read again what i did |
| 19:46.08 | Plugster | whit foo not bind? |
| 19:46.14 | markybob | sigh. |
| 19:46.18 | gravity | Yeah |
| 19:46.20 | gravity | Ok |
| 19:46.25 | gnufan | l3m: discover seems to have saved me adding one line to the /etc/modules.conf - still I guess that is one line less for me. But I think the webcam is still dead. |
| 19:46.26 | gravity | Plugster: You really need to not be admin'ing a server |
| 19:46.33 | Plugster | i'm |
| 19:46.34 | gravity | Plugster: You really, really need to learn some more basics |
| 19:46.41 | Plugster | i know :) |
| 19:46.55 | Varg__ | in which package would I find /usr/share/locales/C/* ? |
| 19:47.14 | Plugster | apt-get --reinstall bind && apt-get remove bind = illegal operation bind |
| 19:47.17 | zuralin | locales |
| 19:47.23 | markybob | no, you freak |
| 19:47.27 | markybob | --resinstall install |
| 19:47.29 | markybob | like i said! |
| 19:47.32 | zuralin | lmao |
| 19:47.44 | markybob | damnit, man. read and do *exactly* as we say |
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| 19:47.57 | markybob | --reinstall install |
| 19:47.59 | gravity | markybob: Calm down |
| 19:48.15 | Varg__ | zuralin, nope, not according to dpkg -L locales |
| 19:48.21 | Rydekull | !bot power |
| 19:48.27 | Rydekull | !ops PoWeR |
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| 19:49.00 | zuralin | varg__, try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:49.02 | zuralin | and adding it |
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| 19:49.08 | l3m | gnufan: is the webcam driver in the normal kernel or is it a custom module? |
| 19:49.26 | l3m | gnufan: do you use the debian kernels or a custom one? |
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| 19:49.50 | Plugster | sorry, i cant help iäm a newbie on this... |
| 19:49.58 | Plugster | now i got an: /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst: /etc/init.d/bind: Permission denied |
| 19:50.11 | markybob | remove the file you had previously created there |
| 19:50.20 | gravity | so bizarre |
| 19:50.40 | Plugster | ok, and then do the same? |
| 19:50.45 | markybob | yes |
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| 19:50.58 | green_earz | l3m: have a look at the app camstream for web cam |
| 19:51.03 | smacnay__ | how does one pass a date argument in 'tar' - I am trying to use the -N switch but don't know the format for putting in a date. |
| 19:51.39 | gnufan | l3m: I was expecting the ov511 driver to handle it, as it did in 2.4 but perhaps naive. It is a philips pvcv820K/20 (I need to get the PWC driver for another webcam so I'll try that next I guess). |
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| 19:53.14 | l3m | gnufan: hmm ov511 should work |
| 19:53.23 | Plugster | now i got the same error as before : /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.postinst: /etc/init.d/bind: No such file or directory |
| 19:53.34 | l3m | gnufan: according to http://alpha.dyndns.org/ov511/ |
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| 19:53.42 | l3m | gnufan: maybe you don't have all the usb modules loaded? |
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| 19:55.28 | l3m | gnufan: again, did you compile the kernel yourself or is it a stock debian kernel? |
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| 19:56.33 | rabidgoblin | hey how do i install the opengl development package is there a name for it on apt-get? |
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| 19:57.08 | nvz | rabidgoblin: be more specific |
| 19:57.19 | nvz | rabidgoblin: or apt-cache search opengl dev |
| 19:57.29 | rabidgoblin | nvz: oh alright didn't know about that |
| 19:57.47 | gravity | rabidgoblin: Just install xlibs-dev |
| 19:57.48 | nvz | rabidgoblin: there are tons of opengl devs.. if you need a _specific_ file you can use packages.debian.org or like I said be more specific |
| 19:57.52 | gnufan | l3m, self compiled needed 2.6.9 or later... |
| 19:57.58 | LeeJunFan | someone needs to kickban victor - he's sending "http://www.[removed].tr.gs Free Porno Videos" on join |
| 19:58.00 | gravity | rabidgoblin: It'll pull in all your headers and libraries you need |
| 19:58.02 | gravity | And a few more |
| 19:58.05 | Pappa | how can i change my encoding to iso-8859-15? i think it's acsii right now |
| 19:58.33 | LeeJunFan | _victor_ that is. |
| 19:58.45 | gravity | !ops _victor_ sending onjoin spam |
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| 19:59.15 | gravity | ElectricElf: Thanks |
| 19:59.19 | ElectricElf | No probs |
| 19:59.24 | sekio | thx |
| 19:59.31 | gravity | ElectricElf: (good to see you as well :-) |
| 19:59.35 | Pappa | he does? lol |
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| 19:59.49 | ElectricElf | gravity: (Hehe :) |
| 20:00.13 | Analyser | someone know which package provide this lib libXxf86vm.so.1 ? |
| 20:00.22 | l3m | gnufan: why don't you use a stock debian kernel? usually it's alot easier to get it to run... ;) especially together with discover |
| 20:00.30 | sekio | analyser: xlibs |
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| 20:01.34 | gnufan | l3m, are there any for 2.6.9/10 and do they have the megaraid legacy drivers enabled? |
| 20:01.46 | joa | can I change my debian to ubuntu hoary? |
| 20:01.57 | MobyTurbo | joa: no |
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| 20:02.06 | caliber | Help! My IPv6 tunnel crashed, and now every 2 minutes my screen is spammed with: Mar 27 14:52:10 localhost kernel: unregister_netdevice: waiting for tun to become free. Usage count = 1, Mar 27 14:53:40 localhost last message repeated 6 times |
| 20:02.14 | Analyser | sekio, i already have this package and dont have this lib. maybe if i install xlibs-dev can i get it? |
| 20:02.24 | l3m | gnufan:there are , but i don't know about megaraid legacy sry |
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| 20:02.50 | l3m | gnufan: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6.x |
| 20:02.52 | nvz | Analyser: http://packages.debian.org/ see also apt-file |
| 20:02.56 | sekio | analyser: xlibs-dev would work |
| 20:03.20 | sekio | caliber: save your work and switch ttys |
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| 20:03.47 | caliber | sekio: i've already saved anything, how can I stop this message from being displayed without ruining my uptime |
| 20:04.11 | LeeJunFan | caliber: uptime is overrated :) |
| 20:04.26 | Plugster | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.prerm: /etc/init.d/bind: Permission denied |
| 20:04.29 | caliber | i know it is, but it really sucks to have to reboot because of this |
| 20:04.34 | Plugster | /var/lib/dpkg/info/bind.prerm: /etc/init.d/bind: Permission denied |
| 20:04.38 | Plugster | sorry |
| 20:04.43 | phig | so, I just booted up a debian sarge on a sparc20 after installation/1st boot, and the keyboard is all fucko(after specifying its a sun type5 keyboard) |
| 20:04.51 | phig | space bar is giving me 'r', etc |
| 20:05.00 | sekio | caliber: perhaps you should switch ttys |
| 20:05.03 | phig | anyone know how to fix that? |
| 20:05.07 | sekio | caliber: ctrl-alt f2 |
| 20:05.17 | sekio | caliber: ctrl-alt f<terminalnumber> |
| 20:05.25 | caliber | sekio: its being displayed on all terminals |
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| 20:05.27 | caliber | to every user |
| 20:05.43 | nvz | phig: start over, don't break it.. heh how can you fix anything when your keybd doesnt work :P |
| 20:05.44 | sekio | caliber: what' |
| 20:05.51 | sekio | caliber: what's the interface |
| 20:05.54 | dna_ | I have my line in on my computer hooked up to my turntables. How do I know what /dev/audio is using line in?? |
| 20:06.00 | LeeJunFan | caliber: could try forcefully removing - rmmod -f tun |
| 20:06.12 | sekio | caliber: or ifdown and ifup |
| 20:06.13 | LeeJunFan | caliber: might ruin your uptime too. |
| 20:06.23 | phig | nvz: I would think I could specify a different keyboard type from silo |
| 20:06.34 | nvz | dna_: use OSS emulation, then its just /dev/dsp :P |
| 20:06.37 | gnufan | l3m, the only kernels in testing seem to be 2.6.8 I assume the others are listed I tell it to check unstable? |
| 20:06.38 | phig | it worked just fine package got installed |
| 20:06.46 | sekio | caliber: run ifdown and ifup on the interface |
| 20:06.57 | sekio | caliber: it won't trash your uptime |
| 20:06.57 | nvz | phig: its a possibility, but I have no idea. |
| 20:07.02 | dna_ | nvz, oss emulation? what ist hat |
| 20:07.26 | nvz | dna_: its a driver(s) snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss |
| 20:07.45 | nvz | dna_: emulates oss devices for alsa drivers |
| 20:07.58 | nvz | dna_: simplifies a complicated matter |
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| 20:08.26 | dna_ | hmm I already have alsa installed how do I find out if I have OSS installed? |
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| 20:09.07 | nvz | dna_: you cannot have both ALSA and OSS installed. this is _not_ OSS, its ALSA drivers that _E_M_U_L_A_T_E_ OSS |
| 20:09.21 | nvz | dna_: use lsmod |
| 20:09.31 | l3m | gnufan: oh yes, sorry ;) i'm using sid .. |
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| 20:09.52 | dna_ | ahhh so Alsa emulates OSS |
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| 20:10.28 | phig | god i hate package management so much |
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| 20:10.34 | nvz | dna_: thats the idea.. not all programs support alsa, and its just confusing.. so they have emulation modules so you can use the OSS devices to connect to ALSA sound drivers |
| 20:10.52 | phig | any time i try to set up a system depending on package management, it never works |
| 20:10.52 | dna_ | what does OSS stand for? |
| 20:10.53 | phig | ever |
| 20:10.59 | Oranges | if i don't like gnome and kde, which window manager is next step "down"? |
| 20:11.06 | thomas_adam | Oranges: Fvwm. |
| 20:11.09 | sekio | oranges: twm |
| 20:11.12 | l3m | Oranges: fluxbox |
| 20:11.14 | resiak | Oranges: Try XFce4 |
| 20:11.22 | gnufan | l3m, well I'll try the sid kernel - I kind of only looked for sarge stuff through habit... whats the worse that can happen ;) I backed up first.... oh for broadband |
| 20:11.26 | sekio | dna_: Open Sound System |
| 20:11.27 | Oranges | i'll look into all of em! thanks! |
| 20:11.43 | phig | i'll second the fvwm suggestion, though fluxbox probably looks nicer with less work |
| 20:11.44 | darkgamer20 | anyone know of a site or sites that have themes especially for debian? |
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| 20:11.45 | SuperSox | Oranges: XFCE4 gets my thumbs up too (XFCE4.2 to be exact) |
| 20:11.55 | thomas_adam | phig: :| |
| 20:12.02 | Oranges | i thought fluxbox was a shell for win |
| 20:12.08 | phig | thomas_adam: out of the box, i meant |
| 20:12.14 | l3m | gnufan: remember to only take the kernel from sid not upgrade your whole sys ;) |
| 20:12.21 | darkgamer20 | i went to kdelooks.org but i couldn't find any good ones |
| 20:12.28 | thomas_adam | phig: I'm working on changing that. |
| 20:12.36 | phig | thomas_adam: excellent. |
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| 20:12.48 | sekio | foo |
| 20:12.54 | drac | bar |
| 20:13.07 | sekio | baz |
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| 20:13.17 | SuperSox | fvwm looks nice though :) |
| 20:13.20 | phig | so no ideas on what kernel option to pass from silo to get my sun type5 keyboard working properly? |
| 20:13.25 | phig | fvwm > * |
| 20:13.25 | darkgamer20 | i need themes because i am trying to make my debian box a desktop |
| 20:13.28 | darkgamer20 | look |
| 20:13.51 | darkgamer20 | anyone else trying to do that? |
| 20:13.57 | Oranges | does miranda work with wine? (have a hard time losing something i am so accustumed to...) |
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| 20:14.04 | gnufan | l3m, I think I'll snaffle just the kernel deb and see if anything else is out of date ;) |
| 20:14.06 | resiak | Oranges: Gaim! |
| 20:14.09 | resiak | Oranges: Kopete! |
| 20:14.19 | phig | whats mirand |
| 20:14.20 | phig | a |
| 20:14.24 | Oranges | i don'tlike neiter gaim nor kopete.. |
| 20:14.29 | l3m | :) |
| 20:14.32 | Oranges | im for win |
| 20:14.32 | markybob_away | eek |
| 20:14.35 | dna_ | if I had alsa running how do I find my line in for that? |
| 20:14.39 | SuperSox | brb |
| 20:14.40 | Oranges | phig: im for win |
| 20:14.40 | phig | i like trillian |
| 20:14.51 | l3m | Oranges: kopete is quite good |
| 20:14.55 | phig | they need to make trillian for linux already |
| 20:14.59 | phig | l3m: is it skinable? |
| 20:15.22 | thomas_adam | centericq. |
| 20:15.22 | l3m | phig: yes and no. it uses kde / qt themes |
| 20:15.28 | phig | bummr |
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| 20:15.33 | phig | gravity: not skinable :) |
| 20:15.40 | markybob | huh? |
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| 20:15.43 | Albacker | guys, debian progeny doesnt have gnome/kde ? |
| 20:15.46 | Oranges | l3m: i'll look into kopete if i can't get miranda running with wine |
| 20:15.49 | resiak | !Progeny |
| 20:15.49 | dpkg | methinks progeny is Debian-based GNU/Linux distribution company specializing in custom packaging. http://www.progeny.com/, or see progeny installer |
| 20:15.49 | markybob | gaim uses whatever gtk theme you've got |
| 20:15.50 | calin | I still don't understand, am i going to have to manually boot to linux after every time i boot to windows or is there something i'm missing? |
| 20:16.05 | l3m | loel resiak |
| 20:16.10 | resiak | Loel? |
| 20:16.17 | darkgamer20 | !themes |
| 20:16.17 | phig | markybob: see: trillian |
| 20:16.18 | dpkg | from memory, themes is see theme |
| 20:16.22 | resiak | calin: ... What do you mean? |
| 20:16.25 | darkgamer20 | !theme |
| 20:16.25 | dpkg | theme is, like, want gnome-themes? you probably are looking for the package gtk-theme-switch'.. 'also see packages gtk-engine-*'... |
| 20:16.30 | l3m | ? |
| 20:16.32 | markybob | phig no, i wont. |
| 20:16.44 | gravity | god... skinning? Themes? Sad |
| 20:16.49 | phig | markybob: You asked :) |
| 20:16.50 | gravity | Albacker: Yes they do |
| 20:16.53 | Oranges | calin: you could get the computer to start win every other time |
| 20:17.06 | markybob | phig i didnt ask a damn thing. someone said gaim couldnt be themed. i pointed out they were wrong |
| 20:17.06 | resiak | thomas_adam: Have you tried bitlbee? |
| 20:17.16 | thomas_adam | resiak: I have, yes. |
| 20:17.31 | darkgamer20 | !gtk-theme-switch |
| 20:17.34 | phig | markybob: You said 'huh?'. It isn't skinable like Trillian is skinable |
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| 20:17.37 | resiak | calin: If you mean you don't want it to remember Windows as your last choice, and presuming that you use Grub, go edit /boot/grub/menu.lst and carefully remove the savedefault line from the Windows bit. |
| 20:17.42 | resiak | thomas_adam: You no likey? |
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| 20:17.56 | markybob | yeah, "huh?", as in "that's what most retarded comment i've ever heard. are you serious?" |
| 20:18.06 | calin | I have install windows after installing debian, manually booted into debian with a grub floppy and restored grub on the partition, after a little problem, and used parted to move the boot flag from the windows partition to the linux partition, adding the windows to boot from the grub menu, but i booted via the grub menu to windows, and after a reboot it boots by default to windows, i manually booted back to debian and used parted and fou |
| 20:18.06 | calin | nd out that the windows partition had stolen the boot flag back |
| 20:18.10 | phig | markybob: but you just told me you didn't ask a damn thing |
| 20:18.16 | Albacker | gravity : i have debian progeny with one CD, and there is no gnome/kde in there. Yes there is X installed. |
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| 20:18.18 | phig | markybob: so did you or did you not ask something? :) |
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| 20:18.31 | resiak | Albacker: Progeny != Debian. |
| 20:18.32 | markybob | i dont know where i am anymore |
| 20:18.35 | phig | and is Gaim or is Gaim not skinable like Trillian :) |
| 20:18.47 | resiak | Gaim is not. |
| 20:18.48 | resiak | This is a good thing. |
| 20:18.48 | phig | boom. |
| 20:18.49 | markybob | dear lord. |
| 20:18.54 | calin | resiak: that is my proble. |
| 20:18.55 | calin | m |
| 20:19.12 | gravity | Albacker: Well, you can probably pull them from online. Progeny did distribute one or the other, and possibly both |
| 20:19.15 | Albacker | resiak !! : sarge ** |
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| 20:19.19 | l3m | phig: why is skinnability so important to you? don't you rather have a nice all-in-one look ? |
| 20:19.29 | resiak | calin: Good God man, you actually want a skinnable program? |
| 20:19.31 | resiak | Albacker: You what? |
| 20:19.32 | valdyn_ | phig: gaim is skinnable as much as gtk2 is skinnable |
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| 20:19.51 | phig | valdyn_: Yeh. |
| 20:19.58 | phig | l3m: Hm, not really |
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| 20:20.06 | calin | resiak: FEH??? WTF? you not see the gigantic blurb i typed up? |
| 20:20.07 | Albacker | gravity : not with dial up |
| 20:20.14 | phig | l3m: I want it to be small, out of the way, with as little icons/graphics as possible, yet still nice and sleak |
| 20:20.24 | resiak | calin: I mistook you for someone else, sorry. |
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| 20:20.29 | gravity | Albacker: Sorry dude. |
| 20:20.30 | calin | resiak: ah, no priblem |
| 20:20.34 | resiak | calin: that was aimed at phig. |
| 20:20.35 | phig | with roundy corners and junk. |
| 20:20.38 | l3m | phig: yes, but why only the im? should the whole system style be like that? |
| 20:20.39 | calin | Gah, I can't type properly anymore. |
| 20:20.41 | phig | like Aikon Squared |
| 20:20.46 | phig | nah |
| 20:20.53 | phig | l3m: the rest of the system is just xterm |
| 20:20.59 | gravity | Ugh... I'm glad the days of theming every single app differently are gone |
| 20:21.02 | resiak | calin: I think it's likely that there's no sane way to stop Windows stealing back the boot flag. Your best bet is to put Grub in the MBR |
| 20:21.04 | gravity | xmms is like the only holdover in linux |
| 20:21.07 | phig | and xterm should be a terminal, with no menubars, no toolbars, and no scrollbars. |
| 20:21.09 | gravity | And that's being replaced |
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| 20:21.16 | phig | no ugly padded edges |
| 20:21.17 | calin | resiak: and in english that is? |
| 20:21.20 | markybob | gravity i'm with you |
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| 20:21.25 | phig | straight boxy xterm |
| 20:21.26 | dna_ | I have a shoutcast server up and alsa is my main Sound Arch. I want to be able to take my line in on my sound card and broadcast that. What is the line in /dev/audio/linein ??? |
| 20:21.29 | resiak | phig: Well then I'll give you my .Xresources and you can use urxvt and all will be well. |
| 20:21.33 | pepsi__ | hi! how do I re-read the XF86Config file or reebot X? |
| 20:21.39 | l3m | phig: well then maybe you should use a console im |
| 20:21.40 | l3m | ;) |
| 20:21.42 | resiak | calin: Put grub on /dev/hda not /dev/hdax where x is your Linux partition. |
| 20:21.47 | gravity | pepsi__: ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 20:22.01 | valdyn_ | pepsi__: or just log out |
| 20:22.04 | calin | resiak: will that cause any problems? |
| 20:22.06 | phig | l3m: I tried actually :). A few are decent, but still kind of a pain in the butt to use. |
| 20:22.14 | gravity | valdyn_: Logging out won't re-load the config file. You have to restart X |
| 20:22.15 | phig | l3m: I use those when I need to IM away from home |
| 20:22.35 | ALVAN | anyone knows of an http proxy support for a version of a bitorrent client? |
| 20:22.42 | valdyn_ | gravity: yea, i mean, does logguing out of my xsession not restart X? |
| 20:23.02 | gravity | valdyn_: No, not by default. Unless you started with startx. |
| 20:23.03 | l3m | hehe |
| 20:23.03 | valdyn_ | gravity: feels and looks like it , i dont know though admittedly |
| 20:23.05 | resiak | calin: Possibly. You'll need to make Grub chainload your Windows install, and I don't know if you'll need to dd its boot sector. The worst that can happen is that you might need to use your WinXP rescue disk and use fixmbr to put things back how they were. |
| 20:23.14 | valdyn_ | gravity: ok |
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| 20:23.38 | gravity | valdyn_: Logging out will take you back to your *dm, which doesn't cause X to restart |
| 20:23.38 | baloo | I like how Jabber transports let you sign onto Jabber as many times as you can stand to without affecting your ability to use the other networks you're connected to via jabber. Fuck multiprotocol clients, let the protocol work it out. |
| 20:23.38 | resiak | calin: You should apt-get install grub-doc and info grub, and google around a bit. |
| 20:23.57 | pepsi__ | gravity: thank you |
| 20:24.04 | thomas_adam | calin: Read the comments in /boot/menu.lst, is what resiak is meaning to say. |
| 20:24.07 | gravity | pepsi__: You're welcome |
| 20:24.09 | Denn- | Okey |
| 20:24.19 | resiak | thomas_adam: That would have been a lot simpler, woulnd't it? |
| 20:24.21 | resiak | calin: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:24.26 | pepsi__ | gravity: in my last config I had disabled that feature, thus forgot it :) |
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| 20:24.43 | nnnnnn | hi |
| 20:24.46 | thomas_adam | resiak: I suppose -- I have never used grub, but it's a reasonable guess to assume it is commented well enough. :P |
| 20:24.49 | Denn- | I really need a oidentd expert now, i had installed oident and setted up the oidentd.conf file, but every ident lookup is it returning NO-USER. Help |
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| 20:25.03 | resiak | Denn-: The obvious answer is RTFM |
| 20:25.13 | Denn- | Had done |
| 20:25.16 | Denn- | for about 10times now |
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| 20:25.24 | Denn- | Had trying to solve this problem for about 2 weeks |
| 20:25.28 | resiak | thomas_adam: Fair enough. I don't really want to be responsible for trashing this guy's WinXP partition, even though that would probably be a good thing for the world. |
| 20:25.28 | phig | oidentd's fm is hard to find |
| 20:25.38 | resiak | /usr/share/doc/oidentd ? |
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| 20:25.43 | phig | its not like, on the website, or in the source |
| 20:25.43 | Denn- | googleing |
| 20:25.51 | phig | i never used oidentd from package, so i dunno |
| 20:26.03 | Denn- | search for it on google |
| 20:26.14 | Denn- | just a few people got this problem |
| 20:26.26 | Denn- | and it like there is no solution on it |
| 20:27.20 | calin | I'm just going to leave my problem alone, i can manage doing a manual boot once i a while |
| 20:27.49 | nnnnnn | how do i messure the flops my pc can do? |
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| 20:28.47 | Wypracow | nnnnnn, throw it off your window and see how many times it flops until it hits the ground |
| 20:29.06 | nnnnnn | heh.. |
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| 20:29.48 | dna_ | nvz, I have both of those files installed |
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| 20:30.09 | zinx | uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 20:30.16 | solata | hello. i have 2.6.8 kernel and i am trying to partition my sata disk (amd athlon, via chipst) . cant make it work, cn anone help? thanks |
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| 20:30.22 | zinx | has anyone with LANG=en_US noticed that bash is no longer doing case sensitive globbing? |
| 20:30.35 | zinx | (and sid) |
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| 20:31.47 | zinx | seems to be en_US.anything |
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| 20:32.52 | gravity | calin: You can use qemu |
| 20:33.00 | gravity | For win98 or so, iirc |
| 20:33.10 | calin | Win XP, hah |
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| 20:34.08 | Doug_bette | Join in WWW.AREM.CJB.NET - The Best Sex HP.... There u find photos, movies for downldoad and much more....Teens, anal, oral, sex, lesbians....join !!!.... WWW.AREM.CJB.NET !!! Dont have any popups !!! |
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| 20:34.39 | baloo | Gotta love spamming faggots. |
| 20:35.20 | nvz | baloo: he only mentioned lesbians, not faggots |
| 20:35.29 | gravity | !gay |
| 20:35.29 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive to some, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
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| 20:37.44 | baloo | dpkg: There's gay, and then there's gay. Nothing about insecurities. |
| 20:38.16 | nvz | dpkg, yinzersmite baloo |
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| 20:39.00 | kaplanfx | how to I get esd to use alsa? |
| 20:39.16 | kaplanfx | I have dmix setup but when I run esd I get /dev/dsp is busy |
| 20:39.33 | dna_ | nvz, my system came installed with those modules already installed. When I put /dev/dsp into my shoutcast playlist it does not broadcast anything off my line in |
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| 20:40.01 | baloo | Besides, I'm a lesbian. Just the wrong gender. 8:o) |
| 20:40.09 | fana | lol |
| 20:40.20 | l3m | and also surprisignly unfunny |
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| 20:40.45 | baloo | l3m: fana thought it was funny, so speak for yourself, eh? |
| 20:41.00 | gravity | baloo: Just stop now while you're behind please |
| 20:41.02 | Delph | s/voiced/vorced/ but entirely agreed with. |
| 20:41.06 | calin | so windows overwrote the linux as mbr, maybe if i do `grub-install /dev/hda` it'll undo that? |
| 20:41.47 | l3m | baloo: i never pretended to speak for anyone but myself. |
| 20:41.56 | baloo | /leave Jeeze, normally y'all have a sense of humor. Grow some spine. |
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| 20:42.35 | nvz | dna_: you have to have the line in selected as the record device in the mixer |
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| 20:43.50 | gravity | God... he doesn't know when he's talking to a bot and he can't even use his irc client properly |
| 20:43.58 | gravity | A paragon of genius |
| 20:44.18 | gravity | In other news... mmm... rails |
| 20:44.21 | zinx | bash is horribly broken :( |
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| 20:44.28 | gravity | zinx: How so? |
| 20:44.38 | dna_ | nvz, I am in alsa mixer and capture is selected. Also it is selected in gamixer. |
| 20:44.40 | zinx | gravity: case insensitive globbing when the locale is en_US.* |
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| 20:44.48 | gravity | hrm |
| 20:44.50 | zinx | gravity: despite whan nocaseglob is set to |
| 20:44.58 | zinx | i'm going to report it :/ |
| 20:45.04 | gravity | zinx: Is there a bug report for it already? |
| 20:45.10 | zinx | gravity: not that i saw |
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| 20:45.20 | gravity | zinx: Yeah, just file a bug them |
| 20:45.21 | gravity | then |
| 20:45.33 | zinx | i'll probably switch to zsh just for this ;) |
| 20:45.44 | gravity | zinx: It's autocompletion, if you enable it, is amazing |
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| 20:45.55 | gravity | s/It's/Its (I'm retarded today) |
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| 20:48.59 | nvz | well, retard, I reached the end of line without a matching '/' in your expression |
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| 20:49.21 | gravity | heh |
| 20:49.26 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:49.46 | kaplanfx | is the debian esound package even built with alsa support? |
| 20:49.57 | kaplanfx | where could I find out something like that |
| 20:50.13 | gravity | kaplanfx: You can download the package source and look, or you can probably just look at the package dependencies |
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| 20:50.34 | valdyn_ | kaplanfx: man esd |
| 20:50.43 | kaplanfx | hmm |
| 20:50.46 | kaplanfx | depends on libesd-alsa0 |
| 20:50.53 | gravity | There you go |
| 20:51.11 | d5277 | hi everybody |
| 20:51.25 | nvz | d5277: not yet, but we're working on it |
| 20:51.30 | kaplanfx | esd keeps saying /dev/dsp is busy, if it were using alsa it should be working with dmix |
| 20:51.34 | kaplanfx | any ideas? |
| 20:51.56 | valdyn_ | kaplanfx: is that package installed? ( libesd-alsa0 ) ? |
| 20:52.02 | gravity | nvz: Flavored tobacco? |
| 20:52.27 | nvz | sure, whatever you say *wink* |
| 20:52.37 | gravity | Ha! |
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| 20:52.53 | valdyn_ | kaplanfx: simply installing it should fix your problem(s) |
| 20:52.53 | dna_ | how do I check and find out what libc I have? |
| 20:52.59 | dna_ | I need glibc6 |
| 20:53.02 | d5277 | have you ever tried to use internal i845GE graphics card with linux? |
| 20:53.14 | gravity | dna_: You have it if you're running any vaguely recent debian |
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| 20:53.44 | gravity | dna_: But if you want, "apt-cache show libc6 | grep Version" |
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| 20:53.51 | kaplanfx | valdyn_: heh, duh |
| 20:54.06 | kaplanfx | valdyn_: libesd0 was installed, which I'm guessing was the oss version |
| 20:54.23 | valdyn_ | kaplanfx: yea |
| 20:54.40 | kaplanfx | valdyn_: thanks for the help |
| 20:55.05 | kaplanfx | now maybe flashplayer will actually dmix |
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| 20:55.31 | solata | hmmm runing debootstrap gives me error work_out_debs: command not foun. whats wrong? |
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| 20:58.26 | siimo | anyone know the name of that new GTK2 pdf viewer that supports text copy and text search like acrobat? its only like version 0.2 or something |
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| 20:59.00 | chiji | @siimo: evince |
| 20:59.01 | gravity | siimo: evince, but I don't think it supports text copy |
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| 20:59.04 | matteo | Hola a todos!!! |
| 20:59.07 | matteo | hi all |
| 20:59.11 | siimo | thanks all |
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| 20:59.27 | calin | WHOOP! |
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| 20:59.59 | matteo | where can I get gnome 2.10 for debian? |
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| 21:00.19 | combo | Newbie to Linux and just installed Debian. How can I change the screen resolution? |
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| 21:00.24 | calin | matteo: #gnome |
| 21:00.38 | gravity | matteo: /topic |
| 21:00.45 | combo | #gnome |
| 21:00.55 | gravity | combo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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| 21:01.04 | Azra`el | !topicsmite matteo |
| 21:01.05 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon matteo. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:01.53 | cleverAlf | need to add something at boot time... mdk used to have a rc.local directory for init scripts... can't seem to find anything like that in debian... Any Help would be appreciated.. TIA Mike.. |
| 21:01.55 | matteo | i'm using kde 3.4 right now |
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| 21:01.59 | dom | hi all |
| 21:02.03 | valdyn_ | !rc.local |
| 21:02.03 | dpkg | well, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 21:02.10 | dom | on some screenshot i saw something loke gkrellm to monitor system devices but looklike console theme |
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| 21:02.16 | dom | anyone knows something about that ? |
| 21:02.56 | gehennasbane | What's the command for hardware information? |
| 21:03.02 | dom | dmesg ? |
| 21:03.11 | phogg | gehennasbane: there are a lot. hwinfo, lspci... |
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| 21:03.34 | nvz | dom: htop maybe |
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| 21:03.45 | dom | nvz: ok thx check immediately |
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| 21:03.57 | cleverAlf | dpkg: wow... thats a lot of info... will need some time to sift through it... but thanks a lot.. |
| 21:04.02 | clojster | is there a mysql-dev debian package? (or is it under another name?) |
| 21:04.10 | gehennasbane | phogg, lspci is what I was looking for. Thanks. |
| 21:04.33 | dom | mmm nvz no i dont think so |
| 21:04.33 | dom | wait |
| 21:04.37 | paulswm | cleverAlf: dpkg is a bot |
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| 21:04.57 | paulswm | !botsnack |
| 21:04.57 | dpkg | :), paulswm |
| 21:05.15 | dom | nvz: i will paste you a screenshot example |
| 21:05.18 | EmleyMoor | Can someone here advise me how I run two programs, the second of which depends on the first, from one menu option? How do I code the command=... in the menufile to achieve this? |
| 21:05.35 | dabreegster | clojster: mysql-dev, yeah that exists, in sarge at least |
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| 21:05.50 | EmleyMoor | (e.g. I want to run xawtv with the parameter BBC1 and subtitles with the parameter 888) |
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| 21:06.11 | clojster | dabreegster: I have sarge but it ain't in the repository ( |
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| 21:06.13 | dom | have you just triet with | EmleyMoor ? |
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| 21:06.47 | EmleyMoor | |? No, I haven't tried that but give me a minute and I will... |
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| 21:07.35 | dabreegster | clojster: apt-get update. Hangon, can I msg you my sources.list? |
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| 21:08.05 | drasko_ | how to erade rw cd? In Graveman and in K3B that apperation alway fails... |
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| 21:08.09 | EmleyMoor | dom: No good |
| 21:08.12 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
| 21:08.31 | asdasd | hi there |
| 21:08.33 | asdasd | how are u |
| 21:08.40 | EmleyMoor | It seems to pass | subtitles 888 also as options to xawtv |
| 21:08.42 | cleverAlf | paulswm: damn... showed my ignorance yagain.. :-( |
| 21:08.48 | streuner | drasko_: man cdrdao, option blank=fast (all) |
| 21:08.52 | dom | man xawtv say something about options ? |
| 21:08.58 | clojster | dabreegster: I did it :) |
| 21:08.59 | dom | anyway try tvtime EmleyMoor |
| 21:09.02 | streuner | drasko_: s/cdrdao/cdrecord/ |
| 21:09.10 | nvz | dom: you mean the information tailed onto the rootwindow? |
| 21:09.12 | EmleyMoor | dom: I don't want it to be an option to xawtv - it's another program |
| 21:09.12 | clojster | dabreegster: but still ain't there |
| 21:09.27 | dabreegster | clojster: it might be mysql-devel. apt-cache show mysql-dev didnt show anything |
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| 21:09.38 | paulswm | cleverAlf: At least you were nice to him :P |
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| 21:09.48 | EmleyMoor | On the command line xawtv BBC1 & subtitles 888 works - but in a menufile, it passes the & subtitles 888 as a parameter to xawtv |
| 21:09.48 | dom | so just use xawtv |second_program -option |
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| 21:10.04 | cleverAlf | lol.. |
| 21:10.08 | dom | may i dont understand |
| 21:10.09 | EmleyMoor | dom: How do I code that into a menufile? |
| 21:10.10 | Osax | ?????? |
| 21:10.14 | Osax | sorry |
| 21:10.23 | Osax | salam |
| 21:10.27 | simonrvn | hi |
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| 21:10.33 | dom | just create a miniscript like your command line |
| 21:10.38 | nvz | dom: don't msg me or anyone else here. I am doing many other things. you just missed out on advice from 700+ people because you sent me a link and didnt put it in here |
| 21:10.42 | nvz | read the /topic |
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| 21:10.55 | dom | sry i didnt read topic |
| 21:11.29 | cleverAlf | is anybody having luck using lxdvdrip? i can get it to ALMOST work but never seems to finish... <damn!!> |
| 21:11.31 | simonrvn | /topic in your favourite client |
| 21:11.45 | Osax | how can one know what options can be passed to the kernel at Grub? |
| 21:11.55 | simonrvn | d-i rc3 is out!!!! fu0x0rs1!111!! |
| 21:12.04 | gravity | simonrvn: ? |
| 21:12.17 | idnar | simonrvn: someone *cough* put a double pipe in :P |
| 21:12.17 | simonrvn | gravity: hehe |
| 21:12.31 | simonrvn | not me |
| 21:12.57 | simonrvn | Osax: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 21:12.59 | streuner | simonrvn: what does that mean? |
| 21:13.13 | simonrvn | what does what mean? |
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| 21:13.30 | streuner | rc3 = more solved bugs? |
| 21:13.32 | Osax | simonrvn, not options that are passed.. but what I *can* pass... |
| 21:13.37 | simonrvn | oh, yeh |
| 21:13.54 | simonrvn | Osax: whatever you need to. |
| 21:13.54 | gravity | streuner: Yes, among other things |
| 21:14.09 | Osax | ah, let me check then |
| 21:14.24 | streuner | gravity: what are these details? |
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| 21:14.29 | Osax | simonrvn, those are options i passed... |
| 21:14.30 | simonrvn | gravity: i was justquoting the topic and adding a bit of spin onto it |
| 21:14.48 | gravity | streuner: It's mainly stuff like updated kernels and things. No big new features in rc3 |
| 21:14.56 | Osax | simonrvn, i want to know for example.. how can i make the tty1 font smaller? how to have a more quiet boo... and so on? |
| 21:15.00 | gravity | at least, iirc |
| 21:15.23 | EmleyMoor | I haven't written a script that needs this for a while... is there a way in a bash script to specify "first and all subsequent parameters"? |
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| 21:15.24 | simonrvn | Osax: yes. see the text files <kernel source>/Documentation/, there's a lot you can do |
| 21:15.31 | Osax | things related to debian and passed at 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz-x.x.x ro root=/dev/hda1 and so on |
| 21:15.36 | Osax | simonrvn, alright thanks |
| 21:15.47 | simonrvn | start with um |
| 21:16.14 | Osax | salam all |
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| 21:16.39 | simonrvn | kernel-parameters.txt |
| 21:16.40 | chealer | simonrvn: yes, d-i RC3 is out :) |
| 21:16.46 | simonrvn | bah, s/he left |
| 21:16.52 | paulswm | EmleyMoor: Yes, it's in man bash |
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| 21:17.12 | spectre_ | evening all |
| 21:17.28 | gravity | combo: Don't /msg me please (read /topic) |
| 21:17.32 | spectre_ | anyone know if there are any dictionaries (word lists) in utf-8 or other unicode encodings packaged in debian |
| 21:17.37 | gravity | combo: Speak in here so everyone can help |
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| 21:17.52 | gokee2 | I found kernel-headers-2.6.8-1-686 in apt-get but after I did a update they are gone! Any way to still get the headers? |
| 21:17.55 | gokee2 | Thanks! :) |
| 21:17.56 | EmleyMoor | Great, got it |
| 21:17.57 | spectre_ | particularly kazakh, ukrainian, bulgarian, macedonian |
| 21:18.16 | drac | gokee2: Install kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 and boot to it. |
| 21:18.29 | paulswm | EmleyMoor: see "Special Parameters" |
| 21:18.36 | combo | How do you go about to reconfigre xserver-xfree86? |
| 21:18.38 | paulswm | EmleyMoor: Oh sorry you already have it |
| 21:18.59 | dabreegster | I was wondering if anybody knew how to make a new keysym for a console keymap with the console-tools package. The source code is rather complex. |
| 21:19.09 | gokee2 | drac, I am using the kernel right now..... :/ |
| 21:19.13 | paulswm | $@ is what you are looking for I guess |
| 21:19.25 | drac | gokee2: -2-686 headers and image are available. -1-686 isn't. |
| 21:19.29 | holo_ | how do i send an aplication to a specific virtual desktop using the command line? |
| 21:19.41 | drac | gokee2: patches. |
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| 21:20.13 | gokee2 | drac, I have 2.6.8-1-686 I don`t really want to switch.... To I have to :(? |
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| 21:20.35 | gokee2 | do* |
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| 21:20.52 | drac | bah, ignore the solution if you want. |
| 21:21.05 | gokee2 | you are saying I do have to? |
| 21:21.08 | gokee2 | ok...... |
| 21:21.14 | simonrvn | FYI, 2.6.11.x runs ok. .10 was also alright. seems they're putting in less crap and more stable stuff =) |
| 21:21.15 | gokee2 | I guess I will |
| 21:21.16 | E-bola | How can i see if my hp surestore tape station is recognized by linux? (debian sarge, hp surestore 2000) |
| 21:21.42 | valdyn_ | gokee2: snapshot.debian.net has old packages |
| 21:21.54 | holo_ | E-bola: discover |
| 21:22.00 | simonrvn | E-bola: build kernel with appropriate driver; hook up said gear; boot; read dmesg |
| 21:22.09 | gokee2 | valdyn_, It does? Cool |
| 21:22.40 | E-bola | simonrvn: it needs a special driver? |
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| 21:22.56 | gokee2 | I think I might try the new kernel though |
| 21:23.08 | gokee2 | It should be better right? |
| 21:23.16 | simonrvn | i didn't say special. i just said driver. i don't know a) what you have already b) wheteher you need anything else |
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| 21:23.38 | simonrvn | that's for you to find out |
| 21:23.41 | outlaw | Do I really need to download 7 CD's for a minimal 3.0 install? |
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| 21:23.43 | mrproper | When I run 'last' on my debian server, I get a bunch of stuff that looks like Its twin er is an "ol the footsteps of Mon Dec 14 13:50 - crash (-7945+-16:- |
| 21:23.46 | simonrvn | outlaw: no |
| 21:23.49 | mrproper | What's that mean |
| 21:24.11 | outlaw | just the first one? |
| 21:24.14 | E-bola | ahh cool |
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| 21:24.27 | dabreegster | outlaw: yeah, but you wont have much |
| 21:24.27 | E-bola | disocver finds a hp device when probing scsi drives |
| 21:24.36 | E-bola | so atleast its prolly hooked up right |
| 21:24.41 | outlaw | what do you recommend |
| 21:24.45 | E-bola | (this is an old SCO unix server i just reinstalled) |
| 21:25.03 | simonrvn | discover is neat. at least to find stuff |
| 21:25.06 | drasko_ | how to erase rw cd? In Graveman and in K3B that apperation alway fails... |
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| 21:25.10 | gokee2 | gtg booting net kernal |
| 21:25.14 | E-bola | But how do i proceed? |
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| 21:25.28 | E-bola | if discover finds it, does that mean its already added inside /dev? |
| 21:25.45 | gravity | E-bola: No, discover just scans the pci bus |
| 21:25.48 | E-bola | can u treat it like a hdd? |
| 21:25.55 | streuner | drasko: cdrecord dev=0,0,0 blank=fast |
| 21:26.00 | E-bola | gravity: ok thanks, thayt atleast clears that up |
| 21:26.33 | E-bola | it doesnt seam to apear as /dev/sdX |
| 21:26.40 | simonrvn | it wouldn't |
| 21:27.12 | simonrvn | /dev/st* or /dev/nst* for scsi tape drive |
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| 21:27.21 | davix | what is a good terminal that emulates ansi for linux (in order to connect to a bbs-telnet)? |
| 21:27.35 | E-bola | thanks ile try those then |
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| 21:28.11 | simonrvn | they each do something different. i |
| 21:28.14 | simonrvn | s/i// |
| 21:28.34 | E-bola | simonrvn: i use fdisk to check out my scsi hdd |
| 21:28.49 | E-bola | what should i try to do with the device if its a scsi tape? |
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| 21:30.08 | dabreegster | davix: plain old linux console does ANSI fine |
| 21:30.12 | simonrvn | start with man mt. get a basic idea. then i don't know :) |
| 21:30.14 | Teuxe | bonsoir tout le monde |
| 21:30.21 | E-bola | ok.... |
| 21:30.30 | Teuxe | ow people is speaking ensglish here |
| 21:30.33 | Teuxe | ok |
| 21:30.33 | Teuxe | sorry |
| 21:30.35 | Teuxe | ;) |
| 21:30.36 | E-bola | >Is there any general way to see what files in /dev that points to an actual device? |
| 21:30.38 | stew | !fr |
| 21:30.38 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 21:31.02 | Teuxe | No pb, I can speak English |
| 21:31.24 | dabreegster | E-bola: hwtools provides scanport, that might help |
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| 21:31.45 | simonrvn | hwinfo too |
| 21:32.03 | Teuxe | anyone having already compiled and installed a 2.6 on Debian? I have pb booting this kernel |
| 21:32.03 | E-bola | thanks guy |
| 21:32.10 | E-bola | i think i have it,v as /dev/st0 |
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| 21:32.24 | Teuxe | VFS: Kernel panic |
| 21:32.36 | julkie | hi! |
| 21:32.47 | Teuxe | unknown-block(0,0) |
| 21:33.43 | E-bola | hwinfo dont seam to give any info about the specific files inside /dev? |
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| 21:33.51 | julkie | eit! i need repositories to apt... i install debian today but I no have repositories before the installation |
| 21:34.11 | julkie | someone can give me the list =( or something |
| 21:34.13 | streuner | Teuxe: grep INITRD your_kernel_config |
| 21:34.16 | davix | dabreegster, my console is iso88598 encoded, it makes the ansi come scrambled/ |
| 21:34.30 | combo | How do you run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86? Where do you start it from? I am a newbie and running a Debian from KDE |
| 21:34.33 | dabreegster | davix: dunno, sorry |
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| 21:34.49 | gravity | combo: From a terminal as root |
| 21:35.00 | davix | tnx dabreegster |
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| 21:35.13 | dabreegster | davix: hmm, screen says it can do ANSI |
| 21:35.18 | Teuxe | streuner, CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y |
| 21:35.29 | E-bola | Anybody familiar enough with linux to know what /dev/st0, st0a, st0l, st0mm are respectively? |
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| 21:35.47 | davix | dabreegster, seen it, tried it... |
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| 21:35.51 | streuner | Teuxe: disable initrd in make menuconfig or build an initrd.img |
| 21:35.52 | LeoNerd | Hi all.. trying to run dovecot-imapd, and it keeps failing to start... All I get in syslog is a line: dovecot-auth: Can't open configuration file : No such file or directory... It helpfully fails to tell me which file it can't open.. |
| 21:35.55 | combo | gravity - do I just type dpkg-reconfigure....... from the terminal window? |
| 21:36.00 | dabreegster | combo: run that command as root and follow the instructions |
| 21:36.04 | gravity | combo: As root, yes |
| 21:36.11 | caphuso | E-bola: first scsi tape device |
| 21:36.17 | LeoNerd | I've set the protocols= line in /etc/dovecot/dovecot.conf correctly, so that should work... |
| 21:36.40 | dabreegster | davix: apt-cache search ansi|grep -i term turned up xterm... tried that? |
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| 21:38.06 | streuner | Teuxe: make sure you have all modules (IDE, SCSI) build into your kernel, if you disable initrd |
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| 21:38.31 | E-bola | yep just got a link from another guy |
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| 21:38.38 | Teuxe | and where do you disable initrd in make menuconfig ? |
| 21:38.41 | E-bola | http://www.lanana.org/docs/device-list/devices-2.6+.txt explains it |
| 21:38.57 | streuner | Teure: look in blockdevice after RAM or such |
| 21:38.59 | claw | do linux developers usually just use regular text editors at the command prompt to write their programs? X_x |
| 21:39.07 | gravity | claw: Yes |
| 21:39.13 | paulswm | I do |
| 21:39.14 | travisat | claw: vim and emacs |
| 21:39.14 | Delph | claw: no. |
| 21:39.29 | dabreegster | claw: sure. emacs, vim, nano, whatever they want. it's their preference |
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| 21:39.31 | Delph | claw: some do, some don't. It's all personal choice =:) |
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| 21:39.43 | p88 | hi all |
| 21:39.55 | Pakal | claw: jedit.org |
| 21:39.56 | claw | ic, do vim or emacs provide colored syntax? |
| 21:40.01 | paulswm | But I do't do UI development |
| 21:40.09 | paulswm | claw: vim and gvim do |
| 21:40.16 | streuner | Teuxe: or just edit .config by hand and put 'n' into that file |
| 21:40.17 | caphuso | emacs does too |
| 21:40.19 | paulswm | I assume emacs does also |
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| 21:40.24 | p88 | What could this error: "kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 60(60)" mean? |
| 21:40.26 | Teuxe | thanks a lot streuner |
| 21:40.27 | gravity | claw: Yes |
| 21:40.30 | Teuxe | :) |
| 21:40.36 | dabreegster | claw: vim has great syntax highlighting |
| 21:40.49 | paulswm | but then again emacs also does mail, newsgroups and toilet plunging |
| 21:40.59 | p88 | any ideas? |
| 21:41.06 | claw | cool thnx, i guess ill have to try it out :)) im used to visual studio but i like a challenge |
| 21:41.09 | combo | OK - I ran the dpkg-reconfigure....... Do I have to reboot the machine for the setting to work? |
| 21:41.32 | dabreegster | combo: no, restart X |
| 21:41.46 | combo | How do I do that? |
| 21:42.15 | nvz | combo: ctrl + alt + backspace |
| 21:42.25 | paulswm | claw: what dabreegster said. I prefer gvim personally when in X. |
| 21:42.43 | dabreegster | combo: I get the distinct feeling you've never set a foot outside of X |
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| 21:43.16 | combo | Correct. |
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| 21:43.30 | combo | I atually never sat a foot outside windows |
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| 21:43.38 | combo | MS Windows that is. |
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| 21:44.07 | dabreegster | combo: I feel sorry for you. The console is much quicker than a GUI could ever be if you take the time to customize it, learn it, and appreciate it. |
| 21:44.08 | combo | But, You have to start somewhere, right? |
| 21:44.24 | dabreegster | yep |
| 21:44.38 | holycow | debians a good place to start |
| 21:44.45 | dabreegster | I'm starting a website about the console. Leads people through the above 3 steps. |
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| 21:45.00 | holycow | you can do most of the basic admin stuff via gui, from installing packages, to configuring the network |
| 21:45.11 | drasko_ | how to erase rw cd? In Graveman and in K3B that apperation alway fails... |
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| 21:45.27 | holycow | dabreegster, thats a great idea |
| 21:45.27 | Delph | LeoNerd: you are? tsk. |
| 21:45.41 | combo | Sorry to bother you again, but my screen resolution did not change. I am still on 800*600 despite my monitor supports 1024*768. How do I go about? |
| 21:45.47 | holycow | once you learn cli, there is no point to using most guis for admin |
| 21:46.08 | LeoNerd | Yes.. it appears that dovecot is trying to open a file whose name is an empty string, for its config... Any thoughts..? |
| 21:46.12 | dabreegster | holycow: atm I'm hosting it on my box, but that's not good cuz I'm on dialup. Dynamic IP address, far from permanent uptime, and SLOW. |
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| 21:46.21 | p88 | combo: I do recommend that you do your work on a terminal and not in a gui |
| 21:46.22 | travisat | dabreegster: I prefer minimal wm like ion so that if I absolutely need a gui, like for sane web browsing, or for virtual screens, it works better than the virtual consoles |
| 21:46.33 | aaaa | hi |
| 21:46.39 | p88 | hello aaaa |
| 21:46.41 | holycow | combo, you need the right vertical andhorizontal refresh rates in your x11 config file for your monitor |
| 21:46.51 | aaaa | any italians? |
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| 21:46.57 | travisat | !it |
| 21:46.58 | dpkg | methinks italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 21:47.00 | holycow | as well as, what i presume you just did, the 1024x768 entries |
| 21:47.06 | dabreegster | travisat: elinks is GUI-ish, but based on ncurses. and heard of svgalib? that lets you run some apps (especially ones that use SDL) on the console. |
| 21:47.08 | combo | When I start the PC I come to a login screen. I can not choose terminal or GUI. |
| 21:47.10 | aaaa | :* |
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| 21:47.26 | p88 | combo: you can set 30-100 for both and look on your monitor what it chose and when it doesn't show look in /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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| 21:47.44 | dfA | How do i do so www-data can write to /home/bnc ?... I mean so too users own /home/bnc - So user www-data and user bnc owns /home/bnc |
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| 21:47.52 | travisat | dabreegster: yes, but I have find that elinks and its ilk don't support webpages as well as say firefox |
| 21:47.54 | DornieR | hey ppl i have a problem with installing an eggdrop |
| 21:48.02 | paulswm | combo: do you have X installed? |
| 21:48.32 | drasko_ | \join #linux |
| 21:48.33 | combo | Dont know, how do I check it? |
| 21:48.35 | DornieR | ./configure using the --with-tcllib='/path/to/libtcl.so' and.... |
| 21:48.38 | paulswm | combo: I mean do you get to an X login screen or a console |
| 21:48.41 | dabreegster | travisat: it gets pretty close. any flaw shown in elinks is probably a flaw with the page. besides, links2 can do svgalib, and it handles almost everything except applets |
| 21:48.45 | DornieR | someone can help me with this |
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| 21:48.58 | dfA | How do i do so www-data can write to /home/bnc ?... I mean so too users own /home/bnc - So user www-data and user bnc owns /home/bnc |
| 21:48.59 | travisat | dabreegster: it doesn't really support htmls |
| 21:49.01 | paulswm | combo: a console looks like a dos command line screen |
| 21:49.10 | drasko_ | join ##linux |
| 21:49.12 | EmleyMoor | Someone mentioned tvtime earlier - how do I get libdscaler (which is a prerequisite)? |
| 21:49.30 | p88 | I have the following problem: If I want to use svgalib for e.g. links2 -g I get permission denied. If I start links2 -g as root it works. How can I set permissions so my normal user can also use svgalib? |
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| 21:49.32 | holycow | i think there needs to be a supernoob channel for debian |
| 21:49.37 | DornieR | k |
| 21:49.41 | combo | paulswm: nethier, I have KDE |
| 21:49.45 | holycow | guys like combo require way too much work :/ |
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| 21:50.20 | _TeRmInEt_ | sarge installer find pcmcia ? |
| 21:50.21 | nano_ | hi |
| 21:50.23 | paulswm | combo: and you can't log in to kde? |
| 21:50.26 | p88 | combo: Some things are to be found out by trying you know... |
| 21:50.27 | dabreegster | The point is that with a colorful shell profile script, a few keyboard remaps, a simple login system, and time, the console is looking rather good. |
| 21:50.46 | holo | how do i make X start in tty12 by default? |
| 21:50.49 | combo | I do log-on with KDE |
| 21:51.00 | paulswm | holycow: amen to that, brother |
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| 21:51.05 | combo | How do I start X from there? |
| 21:51.15 | nano_ | use startx |
| 21:51.25 | p88 | Does anyone have an idea on how to fix my problem? |
| 21:51.26 | combo | from where? |
| 21:51.37 | combo | a terminal? |
| 21:51.45 | travisat | dabreegster: for a really pretty console use bootsplash, but looks <> function |
| 21:52.02 | dabreegster | p88: make links2 SUID bit |
| 21:52.09 | paulswm | combo: if you are in KDE, then X is started |
| 21:52.14 | p88 | dabreegster: Thanks I will try that |
| 21:52.15 | dabreegster | travisat: bootsplash, never heard of it.. |
| 21:52.24 | _TeRmInEt_ | i cant install debian, sarge install don't find my wifi cardbus |
| 21:52.41 | paulswm | combo KDE runs on X |
| 21:52.45 | dabreegster | p88: it's a *major* security risk though, so be careful |
| 21:52.46 | nano_ | does anyone use gnome that can support chinese characters? |
| 21:52.50 | abrotman | which is which card? |
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| 21:53.03 | paulswm | combo: if X wasn't running, all you'd get is a fulls creen black and white terminal |
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| 21:53.22 | dfA | How do i do so www-data can write to /home/bnc ?... I mean so too users own /home/bnc - So user www-data and user bnc owns /home/bnc |
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| 21:53.39 | _TeRmInEt_ | abrotman DWL-G650+ |
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| 21:54.09 | dabreegster | travisat: I'm checking out bootsplash. Sounds similar to fancylogin and francine. It uses JPEGs? How's that work on the console? |
| 21:54.11 | buu | dfA: ' |
| 21:54.20 | chealer | EmleyMoor: apt-get install libdscaler |
| 21:54.20 | buu | dfA: "Two" users may not own a single directory. |
| 21:54.29 | chealer | EmleyMoor: are you sure that tvtime needs that? |
| 21:54.35 | travisat | _TeRmInEt_: it won't work, you need to either find a land line or download enough so you can compile modules for the kernel |
| 21:54.36 | dabreegster | travisat: ah, framebuffer. that's always been "fun" to get working on my box |
| 21:54.45 | dfA | buu: is it not possibel at all? |
| 21:54.52 | travisat | dabreegster: it works great, but completely pointless imo |
| 21:55.21 | abrotman | _TeRmInEt_: i thnik that's madwifi |
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| 21:56.00 | paulswm | combo: you can do one of two things: open a terminal in kde, 'su' and enter the root password, then 'dpkg-reconfigure x.....', OR you can hit CTRL-ALT-F1, login as root and run dpkg-reconfigure. (to get back to X, ALT-F7 |
| 21:56.04 | combo | OK - I have X then. What's next. I still can not change the screen resolution. |
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| 21:56.17 | dabreegster | travisat: I'd love to get it working. Unfortunately fb is weird here. modprobe fbcon says /dev/fb0 ain't there, so then I have to load a module like tridentfb and retry. But that usually blows up, |
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| 21:56.25 | travisat | combo: ^+,^- |
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| 21:56.49 | buu | dfA: Nope |
| 21:56.59 | travisat | dabreegster: fb is more hassle than its worth |
| 21:57.06 | dfA | life sucks.. |
| 21:57.07 | combo | p88: If you don know where to start, where should you start trying? |
| 21:57.13 | combo | p88: If you don know where to start, where should you start trying? |
| 21:57.14 | dabreegster | combo: screen resolution? control+alt+plus or minus IIRC |
| 21:57.23 | dabreegster | travisat: yeah |
| 21:57.26 | travisat | ah yeas the alt |
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| 21:58.04 | dabreegster | travisat: apparently my video card does this vidix thing, and it can draw right over the console screen. works great, but only mplayer seems to use it |
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| 21:58.24 | travisat | dabreegster: have you tried vesafb? |
| 21:58.37 | burki | hello, I've just switched to kde, but gnome-vfs-daemon and nautilus still appear in "ps", though I don't run any gnome app |
| 21:58.38 | dabreegster | travisat: looking at bootsplash's screenshot, it looks like it can have a pic in the bg. That'd be awesome to have all the time. Think it's possible? |
| 21:58.42 | dabreegster | travisat: I'll try now |
| 21:59.00 | travisat | dabreegster: yes, if you like having a bg |
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| 21:59.07 | dabreegster | travisat: no errors. modprobe fbcon said 'no such device', as usual |
| 21:59.29 | chealer | travisat: BTW last time we talked about vesa, did you see when I told you which modes I had available with vga=ask? |
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| 21:59.46 | chealer | I still didn't succeed to disable vesa |
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| 21:59.53 | p88 | reboot |
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| 22:00.03 | travisat | chealer: yes, and I just removed the vga from the line and vesa was off |
| 22:00.14 | [Granger] | refined == spam |
| 22:00.15 | dabreegster | hmm, vga16fb seemed to work |
| 22:00.21 | chealer | travisat: ok, do you have a stock 2.6? |
| 22:00.26 | travisat | chealer: no |
| 22:00.32 | chealer | travisat: what is it? |
| 22:00.39 | Iwrite | Yeesh! What a steeplechase. I now fully understand why RH is recommended for newbies. |
| 22:00.41 | _TeRmInEt_ | [00:00:27] <refined> learn how to get a free psp :::::::::: http://www.penningtonpublishing.com/psp/ :::::::::::: |
| 22:00.51 | travisat | one based off of con klivas, nitro2 I think |
| 22:00.52 | Iwrite | But, I are stubborn, I are. |
| 22:00.58 | HelmutG | could someone help me with understanding the lintian warning native-package-with-dash-version? i don't understand the description. |
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| 22:01.17 | AlphaOmega | i know i can block ips and ports with ipfw, pf but how can i block access to whole domains? like *.yahoo.com ? |
| 22:01.33 | travisat | chealer: that shouldn't make a difference, I think it was/is discover acting up |
| 22:01.38 | phanter | I am trying to use wine on some win32 progs, but most progs do not work with it. Is there a "better" alternative? |
| 22:01.46 | Iwrite | Next hurdle. What is apt-get install *** to seek and acquire kernel source? I thought this installed, but it didn't. |
| 22:01.58 | travisat | phanter: cedega, but it costs money i think |
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| 22:02.09 | AlphaOmega | phanter : mount an actual windows installation and let wine use those as its libs |
| 22:02.13 | travisat | phanter: and crossover office |
| 22:02.17 | mc_ | server irc.chatspike.net |
| 22:02.17 | drac | travisat: CVS version is free. |
| 22:02.24 | chealer | travisat: so do you think I should try discover2? |
| 22:02.27 | travisat | drac: it is? |
| 22:02.31 | travisat | chealer: dunno |
| 22:02.31 | drac | Free as in "doesn't cost money." |
| 22:02.33 | HelmutG | can i go to #debian-devel for lintian related questions? |
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| 22:02.42 | Athon_Solo | !ops refined is a spam bot |
| 22:02.43 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: refined is a spam bot |
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| 22:02.56 | stew | HelmutG: or #debian-mentors maybe |
| 22:03.02 | HelmutG | stew: thanks. |
| 22:03.12 | refined | erm no |
| 22:03.27 | Athon_Solo | Then why are you messaging me crap about getting software free? |
| 22:03.33 | rmartinho | kernel-source-2.6.11 is available but when I do a dist-upgrade it doesnt upgrade, any reason? |
| 22:03.49 | Athon_Solo | You're sending unwanted advertising = spam |
| 22:03.53 | travisat | rmartinho: it installs the source in /usr/src no? |
| 22:03.56 | Athon_Solo | And I bet you're not doing it by hand = bot |
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| 22:04.29 | rmartinho | travisat: it doenst update |
| 22:04.32 | HelmutG | stew: do you also know meaning of the lintian warning? |
| 22:04.44 | stew | rmartinho: kernel-source-2.6.11 is a different package then kernel-source-2.6.10 or .9, not a newer version of the same package |
| 22:04.48 | travisat | rmartinho: what doesn't update? you should have a tar.gz in /usr/src for kernel-source |
| 22:04.52 | stew | HelmutG: are you running with -i? |
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| 22:05.08 | rmartinho | stew: ah! thanks :-) |
| 22:05.24 | buu | refined: Yes you are |
| 22:05.24 | chealer | refined is SPAMming me too |
| 22:05.25 | OleMoudi | can xmms play wma files? |
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| 22:05.43 | buu | OleMoudi: Maybe! |
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| 22:05.57 | travisat | OleMoudi: I have only gotten them to work with mplayer |
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| 22:06.13 | OleMoudi | buu, Im looking in apt-cache but I cant fin anything |
| 22:06.19 | OleMoudi | a plug in or something |
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| 22:06.48 | buu | OleMoudi: Use mplayer. It Just Works. |
| 22:06.57 | buu | And it doesn't have a crap-tastic UI. Bonus! |
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| 22:07.20 | stew | HelmutG: native-package-with-dash-version means that the version of the package has a -1 or something which is a debian revision number but it didn't find a .orig.tar.gz |
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| 22:07.44 | stew | HelmutG: lintian -i gives descriptions alon with warnings |
| 22:07.47 | smsmasters | is there a script that I can put on debian which will display apache status. load averages, uptime in a webpage? |
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| 22:08.11 | HelmutG | stew: i read the description. that means i should rename the source to .orig.tar.gz? |
| 22:08.15 | EmleyMoor | I'm getting parse errors when trying to compile tvtime - is it due to me missing something (running woody)? |
| 22:08.46 | buu | smsmasters: mod_status? |
| 22:08.52 | gnufan | Argh never rains but it poors - just about got the box here straight to discover that the kernel call for one of the drivers I need has been removed! Anyone know the low down on remap_page_range and if changes to a driver using this are going to be complex? |
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| 22:09.00 | gnufan | pours even <doh> |
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| 22:09.28 | HelmutG | stew: ah. (looked at the source) the problem is lintian doesn't find a diff. |
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| 22:09.41 | HelmutG | stew: i'll reconsult the maint-guide. |
| 22:09.42 | stew | HelmutG: if you are working with version 1.0 of package foo, it will look for foo_1.0.orig.tar.gz |
| 22:09.45 | smsmasters | how do I get mod_status to display on a page |
| 22:09.46 | EmleyMoor | refined: What makes you thing I want a free psp? |
| 22:10.00 | EmleyMoor | think, even |
| 22:10.14 | pyr3sayz | Trying to get my CompactFlash Card Reader working. I can see the reader and it's associated with /dev/sda. But it won't see the partition. I can't access the partition on the card. There is no sda1. :-\ |
| 22:10.27 | pyr3sayz | Anything I can do to change this? |
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| 22:11.08 | pyr3sayz | Damn it. I think that I solved my problem. Stupid. I only have Mac Partition Table support compiled into the kernel. Just remembered. |
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| 22:11.43 | chealer | OleMoudi: vlc plays wma1 and 2 |
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| 22:11.55 | p2-mate | hey simonrvn_ |
| 22:12.32 | simonrvn_ | hi p2-mate |
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| 22:12.34 | OleMoudi | yes, I know there are ways to listen to wma, but I was trying to use xmms |
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| 22:12.51 | p2-mate | simonrvn_: if you find time, please test quik 2.1-5 |
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| 22:12.59 | OleMoudi | with the tons of plugins and stuff it has i was hoping something would play wma |
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| 22:13.37 | simonrvn_ | p2-mate: already installed :) |
| 22:13.46 | p2-mate | ok :) |
| 22:13.47 | simonrvn_ | ii quik 2.1-5 Bootloader for PowerMac or CHRP systems |
| 22:14.04 | julkie | whos is te best repositories for debian sarge? = ( |
| 22:14.10 | simonrvn_ | apt-setup |
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| 22:14.47 | p2-mate | simonrvn_: I'm adding support for gzipped kernels now |
| 22:14.55 | simonrvn | ooh cool |
| 22:15.00 | Varg__ | is gnupg2 & gnupg-agent at all usable in sid? |
| 22:15.06 | p2-mate | it's necessary for floppy support :) |
| 22:15.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 22:15.12 | chealer | Varg__: hehe, ask the BTS :) |
| 22:15.35 | chealer | don't be surprised if it isn't |
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| 22:15.52 | simonrvn | Varg__: read changelog.Debian for each |
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| 22:16.25 | julkie | all repositories on apt-setup are equals? |
| 22:16.41 | HelmutG | stew: i think i got it. thanks a lot. |
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| 22:16.45 | Azra`el | julkie, it'll depend on your network |
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| 22:16.49 | Varg__ | chealer, no bugs reported against gnupg2 ;-P |
| 22:16.49 | Azra`el | where you are in the world. |
| 22:17.01 | Azra`el | and no, telling me where won't help. |
| 22:17.12 | Varg__ | simonrvn, sure but that reads like "expect minor glitches" ;) |
| 22:17.21 | Azra`el | pick a few that are geographically near, and hope for the best. |
| 22:17.25 | julkie | i mean.. in conten |
| 22:17.32 | julkie | i mean.. in contents |
| 22:17.38 | travisat | julkie: yes, they should have the same contents |
| 22:17.39 | chealer | Varg__: oh, cool...that's not the one I was thinking of |
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| 22:17.58 | doublehp | Hello; I am setting up a DHCP server; DHCPd shall provide IPs for eth0, whereas the IP of eth1 is get by dhcpclient; how tell dhcpd not to take care about eth1 ? it complains "Please write a subnet declaration in your dhcpd.conf file for the network segment to which interface eth1 is attached. " |
| 22:18.05 | lakcaj | Hi. I've got a job that I ctrl-z'ed in a terminal in an X environment. Is it possible to start it again, but in a terminal outside of X, like what I get when I press ctrl-alt-f2 for example? |
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| 22:18.15 | lakcaj | I need to exit X, but I don't want this job to end. |
| 22:18.24 | julkie | oh.. thanks for all guys |
| 22:18.26 | julkie | =) |
| 22:18.50 | bazz | how can i make ctrl-arrow key skip words at my command prompt? (gnome-terminal) |
| 22:18.53 | Varg__ | chealer, just thought because gnupg-agent won't even start here ... |
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| 22:19.14 | green_earz | julkie: and i would say pick a http mirror with apt-setup |
| 22:19.26 | chealer | Varg__: you use sid, you know how to report bugs :) |
| 22:19.32 | doublehp | lakcaj: man screen |
| 22:20.03 | doublehp | lakcaj: for tomorrow: man screen; for today : man bash: CONTROL+z then 'bg' |
| 22:20.05 | Varg__ | chealer, 'k, 'k 'k ... I use sid amd64 on top ...'s why I wanted to make sure it wasn't my fault ;) |
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| 22:20.27 | chealer | OleMoudi: it can certainly play them in some way. there's a xmms-wma package for RedHat (in the fashion of xmms-mp3) |
| 22:20.36 | ryan- | doublehp: um, tell dhcpd not to bind to eth1 |
| 22:20.37 | chealer | Varg__: oh, right :) |
| 22:20.42 | julkie | yeah thanks green_earz i do it |
| 22:20.45 | lakcaj | doublehp, I know how to bg it, but when I exit X, will it still be running? |
| 22:20.46 | ryan- | i think /etc/defaults/dhcpd |
| 22:20.53 | lakcaj | doublehp, thanks for the help so far. |
| 22:21.14 | ryan- | lakcaj: read the manpage for 'nohup' |
| 22:21.27 | chealer | OleMoudi: if you have no clue, there's #xmms |
| 22:21.33 | ryan- | only use screen if it's interactive. |
| 22:21.39 | doublehp | ryan-: how ? |
| 22:21.41 | OleMoudi | ok thanks chealer |
| 22:21.46 | doublehp | lakcaj: y |
| 22:21.50 | ryan- | nohup command &> /dev/null & |
| 22:22.18 | ryan- | doublehp: or switch to DHCP3 |
| 22:22.24 | lakcaj | doublehp, ok thanks. ryan, yeah... had I known I would want to exit X, I would have used nohup... it's a good tool. |
| 22:22.25 | ryan- | it doens't care about that. |
| 22:22.28 | julkie | emm .. this repositories includes de non-us packages or a need to do something more? |
| 22:22.31 | jclinton | I have a question about apt and other respositories... if I add another reponsitory on to my sources.list that has unstable packages in it and I'm running testing, once I install those unstable packages and I decide that I want to go back to testing only, how do I do that? I removed the unstable repository from the list but in apt the unstable packages are still appearing as the newest packages available. |
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| 22:22.51 | ryan- | lakcaj: if it's already running, you're SOL |
| 22:23.20 | E-bola | what does SOL mean? |
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| 22:23.21 | walnuck | jclinton, smart is supposed to do that i think, but i believe if you have a crack machine its safe |
| 22:23.22 | jclinton | Is there a command to just send everything back to testing? |
| 22:23.27 | IRCangel | hey |
| 22:23.29 | ryan- | !dict SOL |
| 22:23.32 | dpkg | Dictionary 'SOL' (1 of 13): 1. <language> Simulation Oriented Language.. |
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| 22:23.39 | ryan- | bah. |
| 22:23.46 | jclinton | walnuck, ok checking that |
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| 22:23.58 | walnuck | jclinton, google smart package management |
| 22:24.00 | ryan- | SOL = Shit Outta Luck. |
| 22:24.04 | walnuck | jclinton, but its in beta i believe |
| 22:24.11 | lakcaj | thanks for all your help everyone. |
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| 22:24.14 | E-bola | hehe k |
| 22:24.30 | walnuck | ryan-, sol is the cmd for solitaire in fedora.. people who like to play with themselves |
| 22:24.37 | drosdow | cannot connect to inet, typed ifconfig 127.0.0.1 appears, tried /sbin/dhclient and then ifconfig 127.0.0.1 still there, i think debian didnt recognize my network card. |
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| 22:24.44 | ryan- | heh |
| 22:24.53 | klaxian | hi guys...quick question |
| 22:25.04 | walnuck | drosdow, inet doesn't send feedback to the client |
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| 22:25.21 | jclinton | walnuck, is that the smartpm package in apt? |
| 22:25.24 | klaxian | i have a system on Testing here...when I print from Firefox, the printout is very magnified |
| 22:25.32 | klaxian | in print preview it looks good |
| 22:25.35 | klaxian | CUPS looks ok |
| 22:25.39 | walnuck | jclinton, don't know, try the info argument |
| 22:25.42 | drosdow | walnuck what should I do? |
| 22:25.49 | klaxian | i've deleted all settings |
| 22:25.50 | jclinton | klaxian, your print resolution is probably wrong |
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| 22:26.00 | klaxian | all other apps print correctly |
| 22:26.15 | jclinton | klaxian, dpkg-reconfigure xprt |
| 22:26.26 | walnuck | drosdow, i have no clue what you're trying to do |
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| 22:27.27 | blabla2 | Hi guys. |
| 22:27.39 | drosdow | walnuck im trying to connect my debian box to the internet |
| 22:27.48 | klaxian | jclinton: i don't have sprt installed |
| 22:27.52 | walnuck | drosdow, check what service your isp provides |
| 22:27.52 | klaxian | jclinton: xprt |
| 22:28.01 | klaxian | jclinton: should i? |
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| 22:28.05 | Varg__ | ok, next question: what's the *proper* way of adding custom init scripts? still a link to /etc/<hostname>.local ? |
| 22:28.08 | blabla2 | I followed debianhowto.de to setup exim3 on a woody server - i have no chance to connect to it, neither do i have a chance to somewhere set the smtp port of exim or something |
| 22:28.18 | jclinton | klaxian, it was just recenly renamed to xprint |
| 22:28.23 | drosdow | adsl |
| 22:28.29 | blabla2 | it's just waiting for ages until it connects and after a while failes, of course |
| 22:28.35 | blabla2 | exim is started and running |
| 22:28.43 | zeffy | I dunno if this is the right channel for this but anyway, ISP DNS is configured as iterative resolution not recursive, right? |
| 22:29.01 | drosdow | in my laptop internet works ok (running winxp) but in debian pc internet doesnt works. |
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| 22:29.30 | walnuck | drosdow, see how your xp machine connects to the net, does it use dhcp? |
| 22:29.32 | jclinton | klaxian, dpkg-reconfigure xprint-common is the command you should use |
| 22:30.06 | jclinton | klaxian, it explains the problem with printers that don't understand higher resolutions |
| 22:30.09 | klaxian | jclinton: i did and set the resolution to 600 which is correct |
| 22:30.14 | klaxian | jclinton: no change in firefox printing |
| 22:30.17 | jclinton | klaxian, you probably need set the resolution to 300 |
| 22:30.23 | klaxian | jclinton: i will try |
| 22:30.45 | jclinton | 600 may be marketing half-truth claim |
| 22:31.08 | jclinton | i've heard of manufaturers claiming they have virtual resolutions |
| 22:31.23 | klaxian | jclinton: thanks 300 dpi worked |
| 22:31.34 | jclinton | klaxian, welcome |
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| 22:31.39 | klaxian | jclinton: the printer claims higher but oh well |
| 22:31.50 | klaxian | jclinton: i should have thought of that ;) |
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| 22:32.12 | jclinton | 300 is still pretty good |
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| 22:32.24 | jclinton | 1200 is overkill most of the time |
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| 22:32.42 | jclinton | 1200 requires massive printer memory |
| 22:32.42 | klaxian | jclinton: yah |
| 22:32.55 | klaxian | jclinton: i don't like these HP all-in-one printers anyway |
| 22:33.01 | jclinton | maybe your printer only supports 600 if you install a memory upgrade |
| 22:33.08 | klaxian | jclinton: not my computer ;) helping to spread debian |
| 22:33.17 | jclinton | klaxian, lol, yea |
| 22:33.19 | klaxian | jclinton: i don't print |
| 22:33.35 | klaxian | jclinton: well gotta run...thanks a bunch! |
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| 22:33.40 | jclinton | later |
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| 22:34.50 | stu8 | hmm... is Sarge almost released as stable ? |
| 22:34.54 | abrotman | !wwsr |
| 22:34.54 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online, near the end of march 2005. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00012.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/02/msg00010.html and ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge> |
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| 22:35.10 | abrotman | guess we should change that |
| 22:35.19 | ryan- | ? |
| 22:35.25 | abrotman | end of march |
| 22:35.28 | ryan- | oh |
| 22:35.29 | jclinton | stu8, if you read all those links that means roughly early June |
| 22:35.44 | stu8 | early june...okey, thanks |
| 22:35.51 | abrotman | right . all speculation |
| 22:36.01 | jclinton | stu8, and that's a pretty reliable prediction |
| 22:36.02 | abrotman | jclinton: are you the release manager? |
| 22:36.12 | jclinton | abrotman, no but i quoth him |
| 22:36.24 | phanter | hello; i want to use winesetup, but if I try to start it it gives me this errormessage: no display name and no $DISPLAY environment variable; What do I have to do (where can I find my displayname and that variable) |
| 22:36.28 | abrotman | jclinton: you mean like the last time they were quoted .. when they said sarge would take 6 months? |
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| 22:36.47 | abrotman | phanter: are you running it from X ? |
| 22:36.47 | ryan- | phanter: export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:36.48 | jclinton | abrotman, you should probably read those links before you say anything else |
| 22:36.54 | phanter | yes I am |
| 22:36.56 | stu8 | jclinton... I could live with early june ! I just didnt see the usual "SARGE is NOT released... go home you beggars" in the topic :) |
| 22:36.56 | abrotman | jclinton: i've read them .. all of them .. |
| 22:37.11 | abrotman | jclinton: you're no better off to say June than August .. noone knows .. it will be done when it's done |
| 22:37.16 | jclinton | stu8, yea it's almost out |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | ok .. keep spreading rumors .. good thinking |
| 22:37.32 | ryan- | WIR, SIYH. |
| 22:37.52 | abrotman | jclinton: it was "almost out" a year ago .. stop saying crap like that |
| 22:37.55 | jclinton | abrotman, i'm only repeating what's in those links |
| 22:37.59 | stu8 | abrotman... so... june is optimistic you say ? |
| 22:38.01 | phanter | winesetup export DISPLAY=0; gives me the same error |
| 22:38.01 | jclinton | abrotman, STFU asshole |
| 22:38.04 | abrotman | jclinton: no shit .. the same thing the RM said last year |
| 22:38.11 | abrotman | jclinton: stop spreading rumors dumbass |
| 22:38.17 | ryan- | phanter |
| 22:38.24 | jclinton | it's not a rumor if it's official is it? |
| 22:38.25 | ryan- | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 22:38.29 | ryan- | winesetup |
| 22:38.35 | abrotman | stu8: when the RC bug count gets low .. and security stuff is done .. start keeping an eye out |
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| 22:38.38 | avu | Hurd will be released in June, too, btw. |
| 22:38.43 | abrotman | stu8: bugs.debian.org/release-critical |
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| 22:38.56 | Iwrite | stu: I just rolled the dice, and installed Sarge, to get support for my mobo(s). First hurdle: Get NVidia video card driver installed, so X will load. |
| 22:38.59 | abrotman | and just ignore people who claim to know a date or month or anyhting even close |
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| 22:39.29 | calin | what is the wine config program? |
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| 22:39.33 | stu8 | Iwrite... ugh... I hate the Nvidia hassles |
| 22:39.33 | phanter | now I get the error; Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 22:39.34 | phanter | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 22:39.36 | phanter | couldn't connect to display ":0"; what should I do next ? |
| 22:39.37 | calin | wine-conf or conf-wine or something |
| 22:39.50 | abrotman | winesetup |
| 22:39.51 | abrotman | ? |
| 22:39.52 | Iwrite | Need apt-get install *** command to add kerenel source. I thought this installed, but it didn't. |
| 22:40.08 | calin | thanks! |
| 22:40.24 | ryan- | phanter: are you running x as a user, and trying to run winesetup as root? |
| 22:40.28 | notty | hello, how can i activate the glx extension in Xfree86 4.3 ? |
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| 22:40.48 | phanter | ryan; yes you are right |
| 22:40.49 | bazz | is there an easy way to install gcc 3.1 on testing? |
| 22:40.55 | abrotman | phanter: don't do that .. run winesetup as the user |
| 22:40.56 | Iwrite | stu8: Like my Gigabyte GA-6VXDC7 mobos, it's what I have.:^/ |
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| 22:41.25 | phanter | oke, that was the trick... thenks |
| 22:41.34 | stu8 | Iwrite... if you have it, debian supports it... one way or another :) |
| 22:41.35 | ryan- | phanter: Running wine as root is a bad idea. |
| 22:41.46 | abrotman | as is running most apps |
| 22:41.48 | phanter | ryan; why is that |
| 22:42.05 | ryan- | wine is worse then most |
| 22:42.07 | HelmutG | can someone tell me if it is possible to get a compiler that needs itself to bootstrap into debian? |
| 22:42.08 | abrotman | phanter: you're running windows code :) |
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| 22:42.15 | ryan- | it has high crash potential |
| 22:42.17 | Iwrite | stu8: If I can get what it needs. Kernel source, for example.:^) |
| 22:42.22 | HelmutG | one example would be gcc. |
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| 22:42.40 | prahal | if i have a file.la conflict should i report against the -dev or library ? |
| 22:42.42 | abrotman | HelmutG: say what? .. you want a compiler to compile itself? |
| 22:42.47 | phanter | oke I know it is for most apps, but I thought I had to change config files so.... and yes win32 code does not rule, but a lots of stuff is in that code and some things are worth using |
| 22:42.57 | duolljk | odes anyone know how to set up the screensaver or just the monitor sleep mode? I cant find any documentation on this and my monitor doesnt seem to go in sleep mode anymore since i upgraded my kernel |
| 22:42.57 | HelmutG | abrotman: no, i have one. ;) |
| 22:43.08 | abrotman | prahal: doesn't matter .. just file it . the maintainers might be the same |
| 22:43.09 | HelmutG | abrotman: i want it to be in debian. |
| 22:43.11 | ryan- | phanter: just don't run it as root. |
| 22:43.13 | stu8 | Iwrite... Im using an NVidia... with woody however, but no problem with it whatsoever |
| 22:43.17 | abrotman | HelmutG: apt-get install gcc ? |
| 22:43.23 | abrotman | HelmutG: is that what you mena? |
| 22:43.29 | SpeC|DK | what do i need to add to the apt source list in order to install gtk 2.6.0 via apt-get ? |
| 22:43.32 | Iwrite | What is "ltsp-kernel?" |
| 22:43.35 | HelmutG | abrotman: i have another compiler that needs itself to bootsrap. |
| 22:43.39 | maw_ | how can i get the glibc man pages? |
| 22:43.41 | ryan- | phanter: there are plenty of bugs in wine, and it is prone to crash your system if you run it as root. |
| 22:43.41 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0 |
| 22:43.46 | HelmutG | abrotman: and i want this (other) compiler to get into debian. ;) |
| 22:43.50 | abrotman | bah |
| 22:43.58 | abrotman | HelmutG: you mean you want to package it? |
| 22:43.59 | HelmutG | abrotman: it's like gcc. it's writting in the language it compiles. |
| 22:44.05 | HelmutG | abrotman: exactly. |
| 22:44.12 | abrotman | HelmutG: /msg dpkg nm |
| 22:44.20 | drac | !info libgtk2.0-0 |
| 22:44.23 | bazz | somone's gotta know how to get gcc-3.1 onto debian... do i have to compile from source? |
| 22:44.24 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2032 kB, Installed size: 4480 kB |
| 22:44.27 | phanter | ryan; guess you are right, just wanted to do the configuration in wine, not using it in root mode. But i am doing it aas a user now |
| 22:44.35 | Iwrite | stu8: I tried Woody. Problem is nv driver doesn't include my GeForce FX 5200. |
| 22:44.41 | abrotman | !info libgtk2.0-0 |
| 22:44.45 | dpkg | libgtk2.0-0: (The GTK+ graphical user interface library), section libs, is optional. Version: 2.6.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 2032 kB, Installed size: 4480 kB |
| 22:44.46 | abrotman | drac: thanks :) |
| 22:44.59 | drac | don't mention it :p |
| 22:45.06 | abrotman | SpeC|DK: you need at least sarge |
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| 22:45.16 | HelmutG | abrotman: so you think i should maintain it? |
| 22:45.18 | SpeC|DK | hmm |
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| 22:45.32 | abrotman | HelmutG: you can request it to be packaged .. debian.org/devel/wnpp .. maybe someone already did |
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| 22:45.42 | SpeC|DK | like deb http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/mirrors/debian sarge ? |
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| 22:45.58 | abrotman | !tell SpeC|DK about woody->sarge |
| 22:46.03 | abrotman | blabla2: they're fun! |
| 22:46.05 | blabla2 | why cant people just exchance information using ftp... |
| 22:46.12 | abrotman | because ftp is insecure? |
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| 22:46.21 | blabla2 | use sftp then :P |
| 22:46.37 | hulo_ | pkgcache.bin is where all the info on packages is kept? i want to download the data for another branch so that i can search it on my own |
| 22:46.38 | abrotman | i'd probably get a lot less email from my boss |
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| 22:46.44 | blabla2 | abrotman, well....i'm trying to get smtp using postfix working...no idea |
| 22:46.45 | walnuck | abrotman, yes, try vsftpd |
| 22:46.46 | phanter | If I want to use programs with wine. Is it best to install it in linux and use it, or use an allready installed aplications from my winxp installation? |
| 22:46.54 | abrotman | blabla2: it's pretty easy |
| 22:46.57 | HelmutG | abrotman: perhaps i should ask my question in another way. it is not possible to compile this compiler from source using tools included in debian. the package source would include binary data. how to get such an object into debian? |
| 22:47.01 | abrotman | walnuck: it's still insecure |
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| 22:47.15 | walnuck | abrotman, well at least not as bad as traditional ftp |
| 22:47.17 | abrotman | HelmutG: erm .. did you try to build it |
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| 22:47.33 | abrotman | walnuck: it's FTP .. it's insecure .. the server doesn't make a bit of difference .. FTP is insecure |
| 22:47.39 | HelmutG | abrotman: it is not possible. you have to use the binary to compile the compiler. |
| 22:47.56 | abrotman | HelmutG: erm .. ok . can't you just run it ? |
| 22:47.58 | baloo | Where can I find the mbox archives for lists.debian.org? |
| 22:48.08 | Iwrite | stu8: And, d/l'd driver won't install w/o kernel source code. |
| 22:48.12 | blabla2 | abrotman, know a nice howto? |
| 22:48.15 | HelmutG | abrotman: right, but as far as i know every debian package has to supply source code. |
| 22:48.17 | abrotman | baloo: no link at lists.debian.org ? |
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| 22:48.32 | abrotman | HelmutG: ah .. you'd have to have unofficial .. maybe would go in contrib .. not sure |
| 22:48.35 | blabla2 | abrotman, or, even if i dont expect it at all, willing to lead me through? |
| 22:48.38 | Iwrite | stu8: So, I need the rest of apt-get install *** command to fetch it.:^) |
| 22:48.42 | baloo | abrotman: Not that I could find with google. |
| 22:48.42 | abrotman | blabla2: why doesn't it work? |
| 22:49.01 | walnuck | abrotman, ftp is not vsftp, they're separate, but that's me |
| 22:49.03 | HelmutG | abrotman: how to gcc get into debian? it has got the same problem gcc build-depends on itself. |
| 22:49.09 | valdyn_ | HelmutG: that does not mean that it cannot have binaries in "source" packages, gcc uses itself to compile itself, so the code is shipped too |
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| 22:49.21 | blabla2 | well. i installed it, it's started, ruinning configured and doesnt allow me to connect - thunderbird sais service not available |
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| 22:49.31 | HelmutG | valdyn_: so there is still a chance to get into main? |
| 22:49.36 | abrotman | baloo: hmm .. i thought it was there .. then i'm not sure where to look |
| 22:49.44 | Mithras | hey |
| 22:49.45 | abrotman | walnuck: is it encrypted? |
| 22:49.49 | valdyn_ | HelmutG: for what? |
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| 22:50.12 | abrotman | HelmutG: gcc is packaged .. gcc distributes binary versions of gcc to compile gcc |
| 22:50.13 | walnuck | abrotman, you can encrypt anything you want...it's up to whoever wants to support ftp..I don't.. |
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| 22:50.32 | abrotman | walnuck: vsftpd is ftp .. does it use another protocol? |
| 22:50.34 | Eclipser | hmm |
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| 22:50.49 | Eclipser | I tried adding my own item to debian menu but update-menu doesn't seem to like it |
| 22:50.50 | walnuck | abrotman, don't ask me, but supposedly is the recommended one over traditional ftp |
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| 22:51.09 | walnuck | abrotman, just a word of mouth... |
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| 22:51.20 | abrotman | walnuck: that makes zero sense .. you're advocating it ... and dont' understand why it could possibly be different .. the PROTOCOL of FTP is insecure .. |
| 22:51.28 | valdyn_ | HelmutG: nothing restricts debian source packages from containing binaries, few reasons however exist to force doing just that, since source has to be supplied too |
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| 22:51.34 | HelmutG | abrotman, valdyn_: ok. i'll have to do the same as gcc. |
| 22:51.40 | Eclipser | :o |
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| 22:51.44 | Eclipser | I got it working, heh |
| 22:51.45 | walnuck | abrotman, because I have been told its more secure and it makes me really happy :) |
| 22:51.59 | simonrvn | out of your mind |
| 22:52.11 | Eclipser | good night |
| 22:52.16 | abrotman | walnuck: if it's not encrypted .. it's insecure . it might be better than a normal ftpd .. but it's not encryped .. can be sniffed .. insecure |
| 22:52.22 | phanter | ftp datatranfer is insecure, the program vsftp is (called) secure. Secure for your system/server |
| 22:52.29 | jclinton | which is more secure? |
| 22:52.31 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 22:52.39 | walnuck | abrotman, i already said you can encrypt..what's your problem? You can ENCRYPT ANYTHING YOU WANT |
| 22:52.44 | maw_ | sftp, scp |
| 22:52.48 | Delph | "vs" ftp is more secure for the server running it, rather than the ftp client with it. |
| 22:52.53 | simonrvn | it's not sftp, or scp, or whatever... |
| 22:52.55 | abrotman | walnuck: then it's ftp over ssl . which isn't really just ftp anymore now is it? |
| 22:53.04 | Mithras | somebody time for a newb? |
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| 22:53.12 | abrotman | Delph: because it's not /etc/passwd based? |
| 22:53.14 | simonrvn | Mithras: just ask |
| 22:53.23 | jclinton | abrotman: stop being an ass |
| 22:53.40 | abrotman | jclinton: stop being a fucktard |
| 22:53.41 | walnuck | abrotman, ssl is not good |
| 22:53.43 | simonrvn | abrotman: means nothing whether the user base is flat file or SQL or LDAP; |
| 22:54.00 | abrotman | walnuck: now you're really not making sense |
| 22:54.01 | walnuck | abrotman, ssh is more secure than ssl |
| 22:54.02 | maw_ | walnuck, more secure than plain text |
| 22:54.11 | abrotman | holy shit |
| 22:54.12 | bonez41 | is scp insecure? |
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| 22:54.16 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 22:54.19 | Delph | abrotman: no idea. |
| 22:54.19 | jclinton | no scp is not insecure |
| 22:54.24 | abrotman | simonrvn: am i confused or are they dumb? |
| 22:54.27 | nvz | its nice to see everyone is just as pissed off as I am |
| 22:54.28 | Mithras | okay i have the standart no screens problem... no problem.. but i cant type the dpkg-reconfigure etc debian only says xfree is not fully installed... |
| 22:54.35 | simonrvn | a bit of both |
| 22:54.36 | bonez41 | jclinton, I use scp every day to back up data from work to home |
| 22:54.37 | nvz | makes me feel better, misery loves company |
| 22:54.41 | abrotman | simonrvn: really? |
| 22:54.43 | walnuck | abrotman, plus you should see if you can create an additional security layer -> SeLinux |
| 22:54.44 | Iwrite | Nice. Since I don't know package names, so I can specify for apt-get, I d/l'd and burned Sarge install CD. Only, it doesn't have source code on it.:^/ |
| 22:54.49 | jclinton | bonez41: yea, scp is secure |
| 22:54.54 | bonez41 | cool |
| 22:54.57 | Delph | jclinton: scp is insecure if you use the no-encryption ssh system =:) |
| 22:54.58 | maw_ | i've got this feeling that scp is slow :( |
| 22:54.59 | walnuck | if you have the guts to try it of course... |
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| 22:55.07 | abrotman | walnuck: you still haven't said why vsftpd is secure |
| 22:55.20 | bonez41 | maw_, I'll take slow and secure any day |
| 22:55.21 | jclinton | scp is slow too |
| 22:55.23 | walnuck | abrotman, because it makes me happy! :) |
| 22:55.23 | simonrvn | more like: some of them are confused, and some of them are talking outta their ass ;) |
| 22:55.36 | abrotman | walnuck: oh ok .. is it a better codebase perhaps ? |
| 22:55.36 | jclinton | Delph: :) |
| 22:55.43 | simonrvn | maw_: encryption overhead |
| 22:55.48 | valdyn_ | Iwrite: thats the usual behaviour of install cds of distros |
| 22:55.54 | maw_ | I use diskets to tranfer :D |
| 22:55.56 | walnuck | abrotman, are you a madman without intelligence? I don't even freigan use *ftp* or *FTP*, wtf do I care, but that's just me hihihi |
| 22:55.58 | simonrvn | abrotman: yes. |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | sneakernet! |
| 22:56.12 | abrotman | walnuck: you're making zero sense |
| 22:56.20 | simonrvn | walnuck: now i know why i put you on /ignore |
| 22:56.36 | abrotman | walnuck: really .. you're just rambling .. |
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| 22:56.49 | Delph | "ftp is not vsftp" <- explain, walnuck. |
| 22:57.01 | walnuck | simonrvn, he's arguing and yet he's incapable of conceiving the analogy by word-of-mouth.. he thinks he knows the universe for deb's sake.. |
| 22:57.01 | abrotman | walnuck: i asked for a reason why vsftpd is secure .. if it's a better daemon .. that's nice .. it's still not secure |
| 22:57.03 | simonrvn | frankly, that's just plain stupid |
| 22:57.30 | maw_ | Mithras just farted |
| 22:57.33 | walnuck | simonrvn, hihi.../ignore |
| 22:57.37 | maw_ | ugh |
| 22:57.40 | jethro | abrotman: used for anonymous ftp, why would it be unsecure? |
| 22:57.41 | abrotman | walnuck: you're a freaking moron |
| 22:57.44 | simonrvn | @fart |
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| 22:58.01 | abrotman | jethro: all i asked is why it was "secure" .. but afaict .. it only supports FTP .. which is insecure |
| 22:58.06 | abrotman | by default |
| 22:58.16 | abrotman | you want to run ftp over ssl . great .. |
| 22:58.21 | jethro | i dont |
| 22:58.26 | abrotman | but he keeps saying that ssh is better than ssl |
| 22:58.27 | jethro | I use ftp servers for anonymous logins |
| 22:58.30 | walnuck | abrotman, I like to be happy..don't call me a name after my own.. you're un-intelligent and deserves to be *ignored* on the eternal vantaging point..hihihih |
| 22:58.31 | abrotman | or that it's just secure |
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| 22:58.35 | simonrvn | i'll repeat what abrotman said: the FTP PROTOCOL IS INSECURE. PERIOD. |
| 22:58.36 | jethro | which is secure imho |
| 22:58.42 | walnuck | sucker..haha |
| 22:58.50 | Mage___ | I am secure |
| 22:58.52 | abrotman | walnuck: you've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt .. you're a idiot |
| 22:58.58 | Mage___ | five me all your data |
| 22:58.59 | jethro | security depends on what you do / want / can handle |
| 22:59.02 | Mage___ | s/five/Give |
| 22:59.05 | simonrvn | ssh and ssl are different ways of encrypting a connection... |
| 22:59.07 | walnuck | o I feel insecure I need to ignore some people ahhh!! |
| 22:59.11 | jethro | saying FTP is insecure is being a troll |
| 22:59.12 | walnuck | *lol* |
| 22:59.22 | maw_ | the only thing which is secure is to have an incoming folder for anonymous on a creepy port :P |
| 22:59.23 | abrotman | walnuck: because you lose .. you can't even say why .. |
| 22:59.24 | phanter | abrotman: as I said before; ftp datatranfer is insecure, the program vsftp is (called) secure. Secure for your system/server, secure for hacker attacks (at least better thatn other ftp servers) |
| 22:59.26 | abrotman | FTP is still insecure |
| 22:59.41 | jethro | omg |
| 22:59.51 | abrotman | phanter: but why? .. because it's chrooted? .. because the code is betteR? .. it's not encrypted .. it's still insecure |
| 22:59.57 | simonrvn | ssh is basically telnet, with various add-ons, and ssl is an overlay on a particular proto. ffs. read some RFCs people |
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| 23:00.08 | vans | ftp has its purposes |
| 23:00.12 | jethro | vans: point |
| 23:00.20 | abrotman | yes .. anonymous ftp does |
| 23:00.30 | jethro | now you finaly get it |
| 23:00.37 | abrotman | but that's not what he's saying |
| 23:00.38 | ningo | some mysql gurus here? in #mysql seems to be none :| |
| 23:00.45 | abrotman | he's attempting to say vsftpd is secure |
| 23:00.47 | simonrvn | try #sql |
| 23:00.53 | jethro | YOU were saying "FTP is insecure", and that's plain FUD |
| 23:01.01 | simonrvn | it is |
| 23:01.04 | phanter | ningo: just ask your questions |
| 23:01.12 | Delph | FTP is not secure point to point data transfer, yes. |
| 23:01.12 | ningo | well it's an mysl related question |
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| 23:01.15 | Phated | We should bring in scarynetworkguy. :) |
| 23:01.18 | abrotman | Delph: or login |
| 23:01.19 | jethro | yeah |
| 23:01.22 | gnufan | Arguably anonymous ftp is obseleted by http.... I mean why not just serve it over http, saves explaining to the client why/how to configure passive mode. |
| 23:01.25 | jethro | he's as narrowminded as abrotman |
| 23:01.29 | jethro | could be funny to argue |
| 23:01.30 | ningo | i want to load an external library but i get ERROR 1124: No paths allowed for shared library |
| 23:01.34 | Delph | you can't be sure that the FTP server you're connected to is the one you think it is. |
| 23:01.51 | simonrvn | gnufan: yes. and there's HTTPS, and webdavs, etc. http is more flexible |
| 23:01.53 | vans | http is horrible for large file transfer, afaics |
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| 23:02.14 | Delph | so the FTP protocol has at least one attack that you can't detect -> it is insecure. |
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| 23:02.18 | simonrvn | vans: only if you use a browser... |
| 23:02.25 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:02.32 | vans | hehe |
| 23:02.35 | DJ-KING | guys , i dunno .. in the last few days my X gets crashed alot ! and the logs aint saying any remarkable thing ! |
| 23:02.37 | abrotman | jethro: i'm not being narrow .. i'm trying to figure out why vsftpd is more secure than proftpd etc .. which all anyone can say is the code base .. but the protocol is still insecure |
| 23:02.49 | maw_ | DJ-KING, cool |
| 23:02.50 | simonrvn | abrotman: exactly |
| 23:02.53 | abrotman | which was my entire point |
| 23:03.00 | abrotman | god .. what is so hard about that? |
| 23:03.08 | phanter | abrotman: I think we get your pint by now |
| 23:03.13 | abrotman | !beer me |
| 23:03.16 | simonrvn | it's almost like this channel turned into /. ... ARGH |
| 23:03.17 | abrotman | yay .. a pint! |
| 23:03.24 | DJ-KING | maw_: what so cool about that ? |
| 23:03.28 | simonrvn | @beer abrotman |
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| 23:03.30 | vans | !beer everybody |
| 23:03.33 | simonrvn | meh |
| 23:03.33 | abrotman | more pints! |
| 23:03.37 | simonrvn | yay |
| 23:03.42 | abrotman | simonrvn: ravenbird doesn't serve beer? |
| 23:03.50 | phanter | just love guinness |
| 23:03.51 | simonrvn | it will - sec |
| 23:04.02 | phanter | is serving beer secure ;) |
| 23:04.02 | Phated | Ravenbird is the underage bot! |
| 23:04.03 | ravenbird | Phated: bugger all, i dunno |
| 23:04.08 | Phated | See? |
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| 23:04.41 | simonrvn | @beer me |
| 23:05.22 | thingfish | which bot makes vodka collins? |
| 23:05.26 | simonrvn | rb just gre up |
| 23:05.29 | simonrvn | w |
| 23:05.31 | resiak | !listkeys vokda |
| 23:05.33 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vokda' by key returned no results. |
| 23:05.33 | resiak | !listkeys vodka |
| 23:05.35 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vodka' by key (3): vodka ;; CMD: vodka (.*?) ;; vodka martini. |
| 23:05.40 | calin | !d-i |
| 23:05.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see debian-boot@lists.debian.org, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 23:05.43 | resiak | !listvals vodka |
| 23:05.45 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'vodka' by value (2): vodka ;; sabiansnack. |
| 23:05.46 | simonrvn | !vodka me |
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| 23:06.04 | thingfish | nifty |
| 23:06.06 | simonrvn | !vodka zinx |
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| 23:06.35 | resiak | I think I made that one, actually. |
| 23:06.37 | resiak | It kinda sucks. |
| 23:06.43 | vans | I'd love to have alcoholic beverages offered to me when I join :( |
| 23:06.48 | simonrvn | a bit. needs more randomness |
| 23:06.53 | abrotman | vans: just beer yourself :) |
| 23:07.03 | EfaistOs | weird i cant use my retun key anymore since an update .... only the return on right works ... |
| 23:07.11 | zinx | simonrvn: o_O |
| 23:07.20 | simonrvn | zinx: *grin* |
| 23:07.39 | gnufan | simonrvn, nah less idiots here than slashdot, same proportion of idiots perhaps but a lot less of them ;) I'm keeping the proportion of idiots up today.... |
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| 23:07.44 | Phated | simonrvn: Oh that's nice. I was hoping to have someone stay underage with me. :P |
| 23:07.57 | abrotman | !beer Phated |
| 23:08.13 | Phated | ... At least it's a Guinness. |
| 23:08.30 | abrotman | how come we don't have lawry's here? |
| 23:08.36 | simonrvn | Phated: everyone grows up sooner or later. i guess that includes bots |
| 23:08.44 | abrotman | @how old are you |
| 23:08.45 | ravenbird | 900 ... like Yoda ... |
| 23:08.50 | abrotman | !tell cornholio about away |
| 23:08.52 | Phated | simonrvn: :P |
| 23:08.52 | abrotman | again ... |
| 23:08.58 | Phated | abrotman: Cos... you suck? :) |
| 23:09.08 | abrotman | Phated: you? |
| 23:09.16 | Phated | abrotman: You wish. |
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| 23:09.23 | vans | lol |
| 23:09.30 | resiak | !milkandcookie Phated |
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| 23:09.43 | gnufan | Yet another shiny new kernel calls.... |
| 23:09.47 | Phated | FULL cream, resiak? |
| 23:09.58 | abrotman | whole milk i assume |
| 23:10.00 | resiak | Tastes better, allegedly, Phated my dear. |
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| 23:10.16 | Phated | Actually, I prefer the taste of low fat. Not skim, mind. |
| 23:10.36 | resiak | I would tend to agree. But don't talk to me about the taste of milk... :'( </emosity> |
| 23:10.53 | Phated | resiak: Working on new songs? ;) |
| 23:11.36 | resiak | Phated: What, "I Gave Up Dairy And Am Now Morbidly Depressed And Waaaaa; Oh How The World Hates Me. I Have A Cat, Though." ? |
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| 23:12.00 | thingfish | yogurt made out of milk with lots of cream in it is heavenly. |
| 23:12.08 | Phated | resiak: Long, but workable. How about "I hate cheese, but I have a cat." |
| 23:12.18 | Phated | resiak: Er... milk. Not cheese. |
| 23:12.23 | resiak | Phated: I wrote an ode to my fridge a while back ... |
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| 23:12.34 | ningo | ist hier ein mysql guru answesend? ;) |
| 23:12.42 | resiak | !de |
| 23:12.42 | dpkg | de is probably deutschsprachige hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de - aber aufpassen, die sind manchmal ziemlich unfreundlich. german speaking users please go to #debian.de - but beware, they're pretty unfriendly sometimes... |
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| 23:12.49 | Phated | resiak: "MOOOLD! OOOHHHHH FUNGUUUUS! YOU COME ALIIIVE!" ? |
| 23:12.50 | vans | so... you drink cat's milk? |
| 23:12.54 | simonrvn | stop asking for gurus. you won'r get anywhere |
| 23:12.59 | simonrvn | won't* |
| 23:13.09 | ElectronicTempes | hey all when I run apt-get -u upgrade I get /usr/bin/dpkg returned error(1) |
| 23:13.11 | ElectronicTempes | any idea why? |
| 23:13.12 | resiak | Phated: Heh. |
| 23:13.18 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: no |
| 23:13.20 | Phated | resiak: :) |
| 23:13.21 | HelmutG | which tool do i have to use to make a directory containing debian packages usable with apt? |
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| 23:13.35 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn thats not a configuration problem? |
| 23:13.37 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: we're not mind readers |
| 23:13.40 | ningo | simonrvn, never mind |
| 23:13.41 | abrotman | ElectronicTempes: that's not much to work from .. probably another error a bit further up the screen |
| 23:13.42 | resiak | Phated: For songs about fungus, listen to the lyrics of "You're Really Growing On Me" by The Darkness. |
| 23:13.56 | Phated | resiak: ... |
| 23:13.59 | simonrvn | ningo: just ask |
| 23:13.59 | ElectronicTempes | abrotman.. there's a few permission denied when trying to upgrade iptables. |
| 23:14.02 | ElectronicTempes | but thats about it |
| 23:14.13 | resiak | Phated: It's not about a girl. It's about a fungal ... erm ... embarassment. |
| 23:14.13 | tid-wave | hello ! i am using sid and i do not have the file /usr/share/autoconf/autom4te.cfg although i have autoconf installed .. do you have that file ? (i get errors when trying to build a program from source) |
| 23:14.26 | resiak | !b-e tid-wave |
| 23:14.26 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: running that as root? |
| 23:14.27 | dpkg | tid-wave: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
| 23:14.28 | Phated | resiak: I didn't think it was about a girl. |
| 23:14.28 | abrotman | well there's a good reason |
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| 23:14.33 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, yes. |
| 23:14.34 | resiak | Phated: Oh, okay. Most people do :) |
| 23:14.50 | ningo | simonrvn, i did already -> i've pasted it now: http://www.phpriot.com/400 |
| 23:14.56 | Phated | resiak: Girls don't grow on men. They wish we did, but we don't. |
| 23:14.58 | HelmutG | abrotman: which tool to use to make a directory containing debian packages usable with apt? |
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| 23:15.18 | tid-wave | resiak: in which package is /usr/share/autoconf/autom4te.cfg ? |
| 23:15.20 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, yes I am running it as root. but I still keep getting that. |
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| 23:15.31 | abrotman | HelmutG: did you read the new maintainer stuff? |
| 23:15.39 | resiak | tid-wave: autoconf |
| 23:15.52 | ElectronicTempes | I'm also amember of the debian mailing list. but I can't copy and paste whats in the terminal to include it in an e-mail. |
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| 23:15.56 | HelmutG | abrotman: uhm wait. |
| 23:16.02 | resiak | tid-wave: apt-get install --reinstall autoconf ? |
| 23:16.09 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: apt-get install gpm |
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| 23:16.36 | Xsquared | what is the differences between the 2.4 kernel and the 2.6 kernel? which one should i be running? |
| 23:16.52 | nvz | Xsquared: 2 |
| 23:16.55 | tid-wave | nope .. it's not there |
| 23:16.57 | resiak | nvz: .2 |
| 23:16.58 | green_earz | ElectronicTempes: dose apt-get update run ok ? just a idear |
| 23:16.59 | tid-wave | i've reinstalled |
| 23:17.07 | caphuso | Xsquared: run diff on the two source trees to see for yourself |
| 23:17.09 | ElectronicTempes | green_earz, yes |
| 23:17.33 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, I cna't do that.. when I do it says I have a samba dependencie issue and to run apt-get -f install.. and when I do I get the /usr/bin/dpkg error |
| 23:17.43 | valdyn_ | !tell Xsquared about 2.6 |
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| 23:18.31 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: paste in #flood what you get, and run the apt-get -f install in x. so you can paste into #flood at least.. |
| 23:18.47 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, I can't past anything.. I am in X |
| 23:19.03 | ElectronicTempes | I open Xterm |
| 23:19.05 | simonrvn | yes you can |
| 23:19.11 | resiak | !mark and paste |
| 23:19.11 | dpkg | asuffield says that this is a more correct name for the select-middle-click pasting mechanism detailed in "cut and paste". |
| 23:19.15 | McLamb | heh compare google.com/firefox to google.com/ie |
| 23:19.17 | walnuck | !arts |
| 23:19.17 | dpkg | [arts] the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 23:19.18 | ElectronicTempes | and I can crtl-del but it won't let me crtl-insert |
| 23:19.44 | resiak | !mark and paste is also Select what you want to paste in the normal way. Paste it by pressing the middle mouse button (or left and right together if you have no middle button) |
| 23:19.44 | dpkg | okay, resiak |
| 23:20.03 | resiak | Conrtol? |
| 23:20.21 | simonrvn | good point |
| 23:20.28 | tid-wave | dpkg -L autoconf | grep autom4te.cfg returns no results .. so it's not in that package (although it should be) i have the latest package. |
| 23:20.29 | dpkg | ii autoconf |
| 23:20.48 | Plugster | is it a dns or a virtuel server (apache) i should create if i want domains like this: mysql.domain.com and that should go to my phpmyadmin installation.... |
| 23:20.49 | resiak | McLamb: /ie is for the IE search bar. |
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| 23:20.59 | McLamb | resiak: I know, just funny |
| 23:21.04 | simonrvn | autoconf: /usr/share/autoconf/autom4te.cfg |
| 23:21.13 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, ok i'm starting IRC on the debian machine now |
| 23:21.16 | resiak | tid-wave: And _this_ is why you avoid using Sid unless you know how to fix things. |
| 23:21.21 | resiak | :) |
| 23:21.24 | Phated | You can right-click to paste in the terminal as well. |
| 23:21.35 | resiak | Phated: Right-click extends for me. |
| 23:21.44 | simonrvn | same here |
| 23:21.48 | caphuso | Phated: in what terminal? |
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| 23:21.53 | resiak | Eterm \o/ |
| 23:21.57 | simonrvn | some gtk thing |
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| 23:22.05 | simonrvn | uxterm |
| 23:22.06 | tid-wave | resiak: well i could install autoconf from source but it would be no fun |
| 23:22.12 | Phated | caphuso: Console. |
| 23:22.22 | simonrvn | tid-wave: FFS: autoconf: /usr/share/autoconf/autom4te.cfg |
| 23:22.39 | caphuso | Phated: ah, so it's some gpm stuff? |
| 23:22.42 | resiak | tid-wave: I can tell you that it's most certainly in my copy of autoconf. I'm on Sarge. Try intalling an older autoconf |
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| 23:22.59 | Phated | caphuso: I suppose so. All I know is that outside of X, i've always right-clicked to paste. |
| 23:23.03 | simonrvn | sid box, and has autom4te.cfg |
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| 23:23.35 | HelmutG | abrotman: everything i found on the nm page was about becoming a maintainer and the maintguide only describes dupload |
| 23:23.50 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, now i'm getting a seg fault... check #flood |
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| 23:24.40 | tid-wave | resiak: i've copied that file from another debian machine of mine and it works now :) thanks for the help |
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| 23:25.58 | resiak | tid-wave: No problem. |
| 23:26.21 | abrotman | HelmutG: there should be instructions on how to package a piece of software |
| 23:26.33 | HelmutG | abrotman: i didn't ask how to package. |
| 23:26.35 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: rm the /var/lib/dpkg/available file, then run dselect update |
| 23:26.48 | HelmutG | abrotman: i asked how to organize the existing packages. |
| 23:27.29 | abrotman | if they are in dbian already .. why are you organizing them? |
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| 23:28.00 | HelmutG | haven't you ever seen debian packages outside debian? |
| 23:28.12 | caphuso_ | stupid pppd |
| 23:28.16 | resiak | There's a world outside Debian? :-O |
| 23:28.24 | LeoNerd | It's called Ubuntu.. |
| 23:28.28 | resiak | *fear* |
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| 23:28.33 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, same thing :( now check it out. |
| 23:28.51 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: do it again |
| 23:28.55 | HelmutG | ftp.nerim.net just to mention an example. ;) |
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| 23:29.30 | abrotman | HelmutG: yes . |
| 23:29.43 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, same thing ;9 |
| 23:29.44 | abrotman | HelmutG: you want to know how to make a repository? |
| 23:29.57 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: paste it again |
| 23:29.58 | HelmutG | abrotman: if it's called like that, yes. |
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| 23:30.04 | abrotman | HelmutG: apparently i completely misunderstood you . i apologize |
| 23:30.18 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: sorry, wrong file :). rm /var/cache/apt/available |
| 23:30.19 | abrotman | HelmutG: i think you want dpkg-scanpackages |
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| 23:30.36 | dexter__ | Is it possible to change from sarge to something else without burning a new cd and re-installing the system? :P |
| 23:30.45 | resiak | dexter__: Define "something else". |
| 23:30.46 | HelmutG | abrotman: aparently it's me that doesn't know how to put the words together so others can understand me. thanks anyway. i think that's what i searched for. |
| 23:30.46 | abrotman | dexter__: what is the something else? |
| 23:30.50 | ElectronicTempes | simonrvn, yea i've been doing that the whole time |
| 23:30.50 | ElectronicTempes | hehe |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | HelmutG: man dpkg-scanpackages |
| 23:31.06 | dexter__ | abrotman: the unstable, or woody? :P |
| 23:31.08 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: :) |
| 23:31.14 | abrotman | dexter__: can't downgrade |
| 23:31.18 | resiak | dexter__: To woody? No. To Sid? If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 23:31.23 | simonrvn | ElectronicTempes: try the update again, but without the rm of the file |
| 23:31.29 | ElectronicTempes | I did lol |
| 23:31.34 | ElectronicTempes | this has been going on for 3 days |
| 23:31.40 | ElectronicTempes | I just can't get it to work |
| 23:32.03 | dexter__ | crap :P |
| 23:32.04 | valdyn_ | ElectronicTempes: for all i can tell from here, your hardware is broken |
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| 23:32.23 | resiak | ElectronicTempes: I was getting segfaults from dpkg, and it was bad RAM. Just FYI.. |
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| 23:32.40 | simonrvn | yeh. i'd say check the h/w too, now |
| 23:32.49 | Marsian | Hi, my friend somehow deleted a bunch of his programs in debian. Does anyone know how to install programs without utilities such as make or dpkg? |
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| 23:32.51 | tkd | my friends i have a machine whith mail server and i up a firewaal , this machine have 2 interfaces eth0 (ip 200) an d eth0:0 ip 10.XXXX) , when i try to run the script return this messagem Warning: weird character in interface `eth0:0' (No aliases, :, ! or *).. Its impossible to put eth0 and eth0:0 ??? I need to have 2 networkcards (eth0 and eth1 ? |
| 23:32.56 | ElectronicTempes | resiak but it gives me segfaults only sometimes |
| 23:33.00 | resiak | ElectronicTempes: So did mine :) |
| 23:33.01 | ElectronicTempes | when I try apt-get -u upgrade a lot |
| 23:33.03 | valdyn_ | ElectronicTempes: random fuckups at random places - you arent incidentally overclocking? |
| 23:33.13 | ElectronicTempes | no |
| 23:33.30 | ElectronicTempes | but resiak may be on to something because I upgraded the RAM when I installed Debian |
| 23:33.33 | ElectronicTempes | any other way to check the ram? |
| 23:33.40 | thingfish | ElectronicTempes: run memtest86+ |
| 23:33.42 | resiak | Take out the new stick. |
| 23:33.46 | dexter__ | Gah! I wan't vlc but it deosn't seem to be in sarges package list :P |
| 23:33.48 | valdyn_ | ElectronicTempes: seriously broken h/w then, maybe due to overheat, maybe its just broken |
| 23:33.50 | dexter__ | Or.. At least those i've got |
| 23:33.56 | tkd | help me please ? |
| 23:34.19 | simonrvn | tkd: iptables doesn't like stuff like "eth0:0". either use "eth0+" or use the IP that eth0:0 has |
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| 23:34.28 | ElectronicTempes | thingfish command not found |
| 23:34.34 | HelmutG | abrotman: great. using the german "anwenderhandbuch" i found exactly what i needed. :) |
| 23:34.36 | simonrvn | @installit |
| 23:34.37 | ravenbird | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. |
| 23:34.39 | ElectronicTempes | valdyn.. but the computer's beenw orking great |
| 23:34.53 | abrotman | HelmutG: no habla espanol? :) |
| 23:34.59 | resiak | ElectronicTempes: So did mine, for a week or so, until I started using the upper echelons of the RAM :) |
| 23:35.03 | valdyn_ | ElectronicTempes: thats wha things do before they break ) |
| 23:35.14 | ElectronicTempes | I suck at life |
| 23:35.15 | ElectronicTempes | ol |
| 23:35.19 | valdyn_ | ElectronicTempes: and you already mentioned you added ram i think |
| 23:35.25 | ElectronicTempes | valdyn yes |
| 23:35.30 | resiak | ElectronicTempes: Take out the new stick of RAM, try again. |
| 23:35.39 | ElectronicTempes | I'm gonna try it out now Thanks a lot guys :) |
| 23:35.52 | Marsian | Does anyone know how to install make or apt without either of those commands? |
| 23:35.54 | thingfish | ElectronicTempes: http://www.memtest.org/ |
| 23:36.03 | valdyn_ | ElectronicTempes: you can easily break alot of hardware if you dont take care for static when installing stuff, though, more likely it was broken before you built it in i guess |
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| 23:36.39 | HelmutG | abrotman: erm. i can hardly understand frensh but spanish? |
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| 23:36.49 | Guerin | Marsian: grab the debian package, use ar ant tar and gunzip to extract it, go from there |
| 23:36.49 | heloo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:37.03 | Guerin | heloo: what is stage 1 |
| 23:37.04 | Guerin | ? |
| 23:37.25 | Marsian | Guerin: I tried to ./configure to the make package, but nothing seems to be happening |
| 23:37.35 | heloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:37.37 | Guerin | Marsian: reread what I wrote again |
| 23:37.42 | thingfish | I think "stage 1" is a gentoo thing. |
| 23:37.45 | heloo | sorry I copy and paste someone else message |
| 23:37.47 | Guerin | heloo: not a clean install of debian, clearly |
| 23:37.57 | abrotman | HelmutG: sorry . it was a joke |
| 23:38.00 | heloo | I just reinstall everything |
| 23:38.06 | abrotman | heloo: wrong channel |
| 23:38.10 | Marsian | ar ant tar? |
| 23:38.12 | heloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.14 | calin | how do you install make or apt or dpkg without using make or apt or dpkg? |
| 23:38.17 | Guerin | Marsian: ar and tar |
| 23:38.24 | Marsian | calin: I can ask here too ;) |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | stage 1 is a gentoo thing afaik |
| 23:38.43 | abrotman | i guess grub has stages too |
| 23:38.44 | Pappa | try a "grub-install --no-floppy --root-directory=/ /dev/hda" |
| 23:38.49 | calin | eep |
| 23:38.50 | Guerin | Marsian: you should have them both already installed if you're running debian - then again, if you were running debian, you'd have apt installled |
| 23:39.01 | Pappa | the setup(hd0) in the grub shell didnt give me a menu |
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| 23:39.07 | HelmutG | abrotman: thanks for your help. i got a local mirror for that thing. :) |
| 23:39.10 | prahal | calin: you compiel it from source , then execute it to install itself (itself being the .deb version you downloaded from debian |
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| 23:39.17 | dexter__ | So.. Why shouldn't i down/upgrade to sid? I mean. Sarge was the only debian cd i found and i don't have any more cds :P |
| 23:39.20 | abrotman | HelmutG: yay |
| 23:39.21 | prahal | calin: you only need dpkg first |
| 23:39.27 | Guerin | no |
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| 23:39.35 | Guerin | you only need to extract the damn debian package |
| 23:39.39 | Guerin | it's not rocket science |
| 23:39.39 | Marsian | Guerin: My friend deleted (not calin) some stuff from his usr directory |
| 23:39.44 | Marsian | so I was trying to reinstall it |
| 23:39.51 | Marsian | And he doesn't have dpkg anymore |
| 23:39.53 | valdyn_ | dexter__: because sid contains untested packages that might do just about anything |
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| 23:40.04 | palm_ | Hi |
| 23:40.12 | palm_ | what is the way for to launch 'startx' session with specific tty? if I launch 'startx' is mandatory to go at X? I need to launch 'startx' but I wanna 'NOT GO' to X, is possible? |
| 23:40.24 | prahal | Guerin: how do you extract ? |
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| 23:40.33 | dexter__ | valdyn_: And i can't go to woody and i can't install some packages i want in sarge. This is a pain |
| 23:40.35 | Guerin | prahal: using 'ar' and 'tar' |
| 23:40.40 | Guerin | and 'gunzip' |
| 23:40.51 | valdyn_ | dexter__: why cant you? |
| 23:41.07 | palm_ | some idea? |
| 23:41.08 | valdyn_ | dexter__: and why the hell would you want anything from woody |
| 23:41.09 | green_earz | palm_: startx -- :2 |
| 23:41.29 | Pappa | palm_: startx then ctrl-alt-f2 :p |
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| 23:41.43 | Pappa | green_earz: that would still switch his tty |
| 23:41.48 | dexter__ | valdyn_: Well. The vlc packages from videolan.org is for woody and sid :p |
| 23:41.56 | dexter__ | But i haven't noticed any other packages at the moment |
| 23:41.56 | prahal | Guerin: thanks did not knew ar (i was using the source thing to cross-install hurd ...) |
| 23:42.09 | palm_ | green_earz: tis method not works for me, startx -- :2 I go to X session |
| 23:42.11 | valdyn_ | dexter__: whats wrong with the vlc packages in sarge? |
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| 23:42.18 | Guerin | dexter__: the sid package may well work on sarge |
| 23:42.25 | dexter__ | Guerin: I tried |
| 23:42.29 | Marsian | Guerin: does ar compile it? and where can I find it? |
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| 23:42.30 | Guerin | oh |
| 23:42.34 | dexter__ | valdyn_: It deosn't seem to be any |
| 23:42.43 | Guerin | Marsian: ar is an archiver; bizarrely |
| 23:42.48 | edison | Help i enable ide-scsi to my ide cdr and cdrw, how can i know witch device scsi is, like /dev/scd0 or /dev/scd1 ... ? |
| 23:42.53 | valdyn_ | !info vlc sarge |
| 23:42.57 | Guerin | Marsian: it lives in /usr/bin |
| 23:42.59 | Marsian | well, I can unpackage it fin |
| 23:43.09 | Marsian | and they /dont/ have ar. |
| 23:43.12 | prahal | dexter__: woody is compiled with libraries not supported by sarge programs... you can downgrade but you need to really know unix well and ... well downgrade everything |
| 23:43.15 | palm_ | green_earz: another method? |
| 23:43.16 | Marsian | I just don't know how to compile it |
| 23:43.27 | Marsian | without make, and since ./configure does nothing |
| 23:43.37 | Guerin | Marsian: just get a damn livecd or some other sane system and extract it there |
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| 23:43.41 | simonrvn | and a downgrade like that can be VERY messy |
| 23:43.45 | dexter__ | prahal: Hoaky |
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| 23:44.22 | palm_ | no ideas anyone? |
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| 23:44.35 | valdyn_ | !why is vlc not in testing |
| 23:44.36 | dpkg | vlc is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=vlc |
| 23:44.38 | shterke | hi, i'm a linux fan, i was browsing the web when i listened to a local radio station which has broadcast, i'm from Toluca in Mexico, for those who like the alternative style... listen to this station.... http://neurotica.fm |
| 23:44.39 | edison | in the proc i have list of scsi device like scsi0 channel: 00 ID:00 Lun: 00 ... but how to access it with /dev/... |
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| 23:44.52 | dexter__ | Awesome bot :P |
| 23:44.54 | prahal | woaw , dasher have really improved ... it needs some love for programmers but hey that s great already |
| 23:45.06 | Guerin | shterke: this is not the channel for your advertisement, kthx |
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| 23:45.41 | shterke | Guerin, i don't use to advertise, but this station is worth enough |
| 23:45.42 | palm_ | shterke: mexico castialian language no? or english? |
| 23:45.48 | Guerin | and wtf is 'the alternative style' anyway? |
| 23:45.52 | palm_ | castilian |
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| 23:46.07 | shterke | palm_, it's in spanish, but most of the music is in english :) |
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| 23:46.16 | jethro | Guerin: it's like RMS singing the FSF song |
| 23:46.23 | Guerin | jethro: hah |
| 23:46.27 | valdyn_ | dexter__: i see no big reason why sids vlc shouldnt work in sarge. |
| 23:46.29 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:46.35 | palm_ | shterke: castilian & spanish is the same =) |
| 23:46.58 | Phated | That's not alternative, that's mainstream masochism. |
| 23:46.58 | jethro | hah |
| 23:46.58 | Guerin | palm_: many people from northwestern spain would beg to differ |
| 23:46.59 | shterke | oh, sorry, yes it's the same |
| 23:46.59 | shterke | :D |
| 23:46.59 | valdyn_ | dexter__: ( naturally assumning you get the 2 missing depends , libvorbis and libogg too ) |
| 23:47.12 | Guerin | err |
| 23:47.14 | Guerin | northeastern |
| 23:47.30 | Guerin | man, being on the wrong hemisphere really does my geography in |
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| 23:49.01 | prahal | Guerin: well eastern is quite subjective .... |
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| 23:49.10 | dexter__ | valdyn_: http://www.bluenet.se/~dexter/error |
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| 23:49.25 | dedikerad | can i instrall debian on a centrino computer? |
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| 23:49.36 | dexter__ | libflac4 says i should install libfalc6, and the other one deosn't even exist |
| 23:49.43 | dna_ | <03/27/05@17:48:15> [DECODE] DSP (/dev/dsp0) opened (16,2,44100) |
| 23:49.43 | dna_ | <03/27/05@17:48:15> [CONFIG] WARNING: No InputSamplerate defined, assuming 44100! |
| 23:49.43 | dna_ | <03/27/05@17:48:15> [CONFIG] WARNING: No InputChannels defined, assuming 2! |
| 23:49.49 | dna_ | why does that happen? |
| 23:49.58 | Guerin | prahal: yeah, not when it comes to spain it ain't |
| 23:50.02 | Pappa | dedikerad: yes you can. i run debian on my laptop (intel cenrino) |
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| 23:50.12 | dedikerad | Pappa, can i use the woody cd or do i need sarge? |
| 23:50.19 | Pappa | centrino* |
| 23:50.20 | azreal | hmm, no bots. |
| 23:50.25 | Pappa | never tried woody. |
| 23:50.27 | heloo | does anyone know what is error 15 |
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| 23:50.42 | dexter__ | valdyn_: Well? |
| 23:50.44 | heloo | in grub |
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| 23:50.54 | Pappa | heloo: from which program? |
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| 23:51.35 | dexter__ | Pappa: He said "in grub" :P |
| 23:51.45 | dexter__ | so i guess he means grub |
| 23:51.48 | Pappa | right |
| 23:52.00 | Pappa | well grub ain't very verose on errors |
| 23:52.09 | b-_-d | Why no kde 3.4 I was able to get kdelibs and kdebase to build? |
| 23:52.09 | Pappa | verbose* |
| 23:52.18 | valdyn_ | dexter__: what did you do prior to this? added lines in sources.lst? ran apt-get update? |
| 23:52.25 | simonrvn | /topic |
| 23:52.26 | b-_-d | but i have no idea how to make a .deb |
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| 23:52.31 | simonrvn | b-_-d: ^^ |
| 23:52.33 | dexter__ | valdyn_: Both of those |
| 23:52.38 | dexter__ | wait :P |
| 23:52.51 | dexter__ | http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html |
| 23:52.55 | dexter__ | Those lines (on sid) |
| 23:52.56 | Pappa | heloo: it means, btw, that it can't fin a file (usually you messed up your kernel /vmlinuz ... line.) |
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| 23:53.05 | Pappa | find* |
| 23:53.17 | dexter__ | and then ran apt-get update |
| 23:53.17 | valdyn_ | dexter__: apt-get -t sid install vlc ( and then remove the sid lines again, i have no clear idea on how to mix sarge / sid cleanly that way ) |
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| 23:53.37 | b-_-d | simonrvn, is see the topic "kde 3.4 are not packaged yet" |
| 23:53.45 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:53.59 | Pappa | heloo: what is your /boot partition? /dev/hda1? |
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| 23:54.05 | b-_-d | are .debs hard to make? |
| 23:54.14 | b-_-d | i do not know |
| 23:54.27 | Guerin | valdyn_, dexter__: man apt_preferences |
| 23:54.45 | valdyn_ | Guerin: thanks |
| 23:54.49 | valdyn_ | dexter__: ^^^^ |
| 23:54.50 | Guerin | valdyn_: and if you don't know, how about not advising other people to do it, eh? |
| 23:55.04 | valdyn_ | Guerin: i did not do it |
| 23:55.38 | nano_ | does anybody know how to display chinese in debian? |
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| 23:55.50 | Guerin | nano_: some chinese people do |
| 23:56.07 | mikkel | every time a install / removes a app with apt-get my fluxbox menu resets (the menufile i use is /etc/X11/fluxbox/fluxboxmenu) how do i avoid the resetting ? |
| 23:56.19 | Guerin | nano_: i use utf-8, some cjk fonts and rxvt-unicode-ml |
| 23:56.39 | Delph | mikkel: reset as in, your changes are overwritten? |
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| 23:56.56 | valdyn_ | dexter__: if the above didnt install it cleanly, remove the lines you added from /etc/apt/sources.list and read what guerin said, i cant guide you thru that. |
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| 23:57.05 | dexter__ | Guerin: And you're giving me, probably the most stupid person on irc, a man page? :P |
| 23:57.30 | Guerin | dexter__: yes, because if you can't/won't/don't read manpages you'll ALWAYS be the most stupid person on irc |
| 23:57.57 | mikkel | Delph: it resets as it makes a new file with the new app in ? |
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| 23:59.31 | igraltist | how can i when the pc is booted see the details, its going so fast that i can not read it and later stand nothing in the syslog |
