| 00:00.02 | kimo | fruers, sorry not sure. ask the channel |
| 00:00.03 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: see the above? it wants to install php4. php4 by default == libapache-mod-php4. You want to install libapache2-mod-php4 instead. |
| 00:00.15 | zoor | hmm.... now it says that I cant login through the shell because "No utmp entry. you must exec "login" from lowest level "sh"" <-- what does that mean? :-\ |
| 00:00.20 | jarango | How do I make a 2.6 kernel compilation show the commands ? |
| 00:00.41 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, thanks for all the help, you're the man |
| 00:00.49 | amahbod | dondelelcaro, 'the don' |
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| 00:01.19 | aati | dondelelcaro: |
| 00:01.20 | PinkFreud | ii libapache2-mod 4.3.4-4 A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting langu |
| 00:01.21 | aati | 11199 ? S 0:01 /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin -a firefox |
| 00:01.21 | aati | 11201 ? Z 0:00 [firefox-bin] <defunct> |
| 00:01.21 | aati | 11202 ? Z 0:00 [firefox-bin] <defunct> |
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| 00:01.36 | PinkFreud | libapache2-mod-php4 is already installed. |
| 00:02.21 | aati | dondelelcaro: and there are 80 Z proceses for firefox, and ~400 for gkrellm |
| 00:02.48 | dondelelcaro | aati: use ps axfu; to see what is spawning those firefox-bin processes. |
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| 00:04.39 | mlk | are there i686-optimized package reposs for debian |
| 00:04.48 | zoor | no ideas? |
| 00:05.01 | dvs | mlk: Only for the kernel. |
| 00:05.06 | bob2 | mlk: why? |
| 00:05.10 | mlk | dvs, ok thats what i thought |
| 00:05.21 | kingsley_ | Can scp read stdin? |
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| 00:05.29 | dvs | mlk: And a few applications like mplayer (which is NOT part of debian) |
| 00:05.32 | aati | dondelelcaro: |
| 00:05.33 | aati | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.33 | aati | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.33 | aati | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:05.42 | mlk | dvs, someone told me otherwise, but i guess he didnt know what he was talking about |
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| 00:06.07 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: hrm. most likely it's because apache-utils is being installed for some reason |
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| 00:06.12 | aati | re |
| 00:06.21 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: that's what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 00:06.22 | dondelelcaro | aati: read /topic, and don't paste here. |
| 00:06.30 | aati | ok, sorry |
| 00:07.07 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: yeah, it doesn't look like anything you've got selected should have tried to install that. |
| 00:07.20 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: try running apt-get install webcalendar apache-utils-; |
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| 00:07.49 | PinkFreud | The following extra packages will be installed: |
| 00:07.49 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.51 | aati | dondelelcaro: so, /usr/lib/mozilla-firefox/firefox-bin is spawning those firefox-bin proesses |
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| 00:07.56 | PinkFreud | that looks much beeter. |
| 00:08.00 | PinkFreud | better. |
| 00:08.10 | PinkFreud | ok, my typing has gone out the window. |
| 00:08.11 | CosmoDad | ok I've installed nullmailer on my router which is not too hard to set up, but no matter what I try I can't get mail forwarded to my desktop box which I configured as an internet host using exim. How can I find out what the problem is? |
| 00:08.11 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: what, you said that libapache2-mod-php4 was already installed? |
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| 00:08.24 | PinkFreud | it is. |
| 00:08.31 | PinkFreud | perhaps it's trying to upgrade it? |
| 00:08.34 | aati | dondelelcaro: and /usr/bin/gkrellm is spawning the [gkrellm] <defunct> zombies |
| 00:08.45 | dondelelcaro | aati: what version of gkrellm is this? |
| 00:09.12 | PinkFreud | yeah. I have 4.3.4-4 installed - 2:4.3.10-2 is latest. |
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| 00:09.37 | aati | dondelelcaro: gkrellm 2.2.4. it's from sarge, like the firefox 1.0 |
| 00:10.10 | dondelelcaro | aati: hrm... that's pretty wierd then. What kernel is this? |
| 00:10.19 | fruers | Does anyone know where to find the ms wmv codecs? |
| 00:10.37 | petemc | fruers: w32codecs /msg dpkg marillat |
| 00:10.38 | aati | dondelelcaro: 2.4.22-1-386 from sarge |
| 00:10.47 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: probably because I don't have php4-cli installed - it's trying to add that, so it needs to upgrade libapache2-mod-php4 to the current release |
| 00:10.53 | fruers | Thanks petemc, i thought i needed another apt source |
| 00:11.05 | petemc | fruers: you do |
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| 00:11.28 | fruers | petemc: Yep, didn't know which one though :) |
| 00:12.10 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: looks like something's buggy, though, as it's insisting on installing the apache 1.3.x packages (unless i specifically remove apache-utils, of course) |
| 00:12.16 | fruers | petemc: Is there a website or forums that i would normally go to, to find out this sort of simple stuff? |
| 00:12.31 | petemc | fruers: the far mentioned in the topic is a good start |
| 00:12.34 | petemc | faq |
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| 00:12.53 | fruers | petemc: I'm switching from gentoo |
| 00:12.56 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: nothing is obviously buggy. You must have selected apache-utils somewhere, and it's trying to install it. |
| 00:12.56 | fruers | petemc: Ok, thanks |
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| 00:13.18 | dondelelcaro | (apt-get selections being slightly different from what dpkg -l shows) |
| 00:13.24 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: is there somewhere I can check that? |
| 00:13.54 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: not easily... but the fact that it stops doing whatever it was doing when you use apt-get remove apache-utils-; seems to make it rather clear. |
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| 00:14.40 | daww | A question about kernel installation. can I run "make install" direct after "make" or should I "make modules" before |
| 00:14.52 | dondelelcaro | daww: use make-kpkg instead. |
| 00:14.54 | PinkFreud | how do i permanently deselect a package? |
| 00:15.11 | daww | dondelelcaro, why? |
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| 00:15.17 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: since you've gone apt-get remove apache-utils; it should stay away. |
| 00:15.22 | dvs | PinkFreud: You can remove it but I don't think you can ban it |
| 00:15.28 | dondelelcaro | daww: because it is intelligent enough to handle these things for you. |
| 00:15.38 | PinkFreud | no need to ban it... i just want to make sure it's not selected. |
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| 00:15.46 | ZEA | PinkFreud: apt-get [--purge] remove package_name (correct me if this is not what you want) |
| 00:16.00 | PinkFreud | Package apache-utils is not installed, so not removed |
| 00:16.01 | daww | dondelelcaro, what is make-kpkg (I don't know)? |
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| 00:16.09 | dvs | daww: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 00:16.34 | ZEA | PinkFreud: there's nothing to remove then (except some config files which --purge would take care of) |
| 00:16.49 | daww | dammit |
| 00:17.04 | PinkFreud | i already purged via dpkg, though |
| 00:17.46 | daww | dvs, what are you doing after "make" |
| 00:17.49 | ZEA | PinkFreud: only thing left might be the .deb file in the cache, if you're interested in clearing that too |
| 00:17.56 | dvs | daww: Huh? What do you mean? |
| 00:18.00 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
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| 00:18.45 | daww | dvs, when you install a new kernel, after you have made the configuration |
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| 00:19.07 | PinkFreud | ZEA: nope. even after cleaning the cache apt-get still wants to install apache-utils |
| 00:19.14 | PinkFreud | (and apache-common) |
| 00:19.17 | dvs | daww: When using the kernel-package, all I have to do is "dpkg -i kernel.deb" |
| 00:19.45 | PinkFreud | if it's selected, there must be a way to deselect it without specifying it manually on the commandline |
| 00:20.38 | uraclea_laptop | does anyone use apt-build? |
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| 00:21.07 | Delph | PinkFreud: do you have something installed that depends on apache-utils? |
| 00:21.16 | daww | dvs, is this the easy way, do you ever need to compile it? |
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| 00:21.25 | PinkFreud | Delph: I shouldn't. How can I check? |
| 00:21.30 | Delph | (is that how apt attempts to fix the broken package dependencies?) |
| 00:21.33 | dvs | daww: Yes, but the command is "make-kpkg" |
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| 00:22.31 | daww | dvs, so if I have kernel.deb i do "dpkg -i kernel.deb; make-kpkg" or? |
| 00:22.42 | dvs | daww: Other way around |
| 00:23.00 | daww | dvs, so if I have kernel.deb i do "make-kpkg; dpkg -i kernel.deb"? |
| 00:23.02 | PinkFreud | hmm |
| 00:23.11 | dvs | daww: make-kpkg makes the kernel.deb |
| 00:23.14 | PinkFreud | I'm not convinced that apache-utils is previously selected |
| 00:23.21 | daww | dvs, ok |
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| 00:23.37 | PinkFreud | apt-get install php4-cli tells me it'll install libedit2 as well, and nothing else |
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| 00:24.05 | uraclea_laptop | http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 00:24.17 | uraclea_laptop | daww^^ |
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| 00:24.25 | uraclea_laptop | great how-to |
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| 00:24.36 | PinkFreud | apt-get install php4, however, insists on adding apache-common apache-utils libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:24.49 | dvs | uraclea_laptop: nice |
| 00:24.59 | PinkFreud | when there seems to be no reason to do so, as libapache2-mod-php4 is installed |
| 00:25.01 | Rambo3 | whats an alternative player with mozilla plagins for Mplayer? |
| 00:25.34 | dvs | uraclea_laptop: I don't agree with the grub section though |
| 00:25.42 | PinkFreud | dpkg -l libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:25.42 | PinkFreud | No packages found matching libapache-mod-php4. |
| 00:25.43 | dpkg | ii libapache-mod-php4 3.8-11.2 pinkfreud's private gamp collection |
| 00:25.56 | PinkFreud | hehe |
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| 00:26.28 | cafuego | PinkFreud: 'php4' it is, then. |
| 00:26.40 | uraclea_laptop | dvs: yes, when you install the image it does it for you |
| 00:26.55 | PinkFreud | hrmph. |
| 00:27.12 | PinkFreud | oddly, i don't have 'php4' installed, despite having various php4 packages installed |
| 00:27.21 | PinkFreud | i wonder... |
| 00:27.29 | cafuego | PinkFreud: Yes, php4 is sort of a meta package. What are you trying to do? |
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| 00:27.45 | PinkFreud | cafuego: trying to install a package which depends on php4 |
| 00:28.06 | PinkFreud | I run apache2, and yet php4 is attempting to force an install of apache 1.3.x |
| 00:28.29 | cafuego | PinkFreud: Which package? |
| 00:28.39 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:29.11 | MattF | when I am in a debian console (as in not in X) I seem to have the wrong keyboard setup, ie my number keys along the top are random foreign letters and the function keys don't work |
| 00:29.17 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: which version of php4 is this? |
| 00:29.19 | MattF | how do I change the keymap used in the console? |
| 00:29.22 | cafuego | PinkFreud: Well, that IS apache 1.3.x |
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| 00:29.29 | PinkFreud | Version: 4:4.3.10-2 |
| 00:29.46 | PinkFreud | cafuego: indeed it is. |
| 00:29.52 | PinkFreud | cafuego: which I don't want or need. |
| 00:29.53 | cafuego | PinkFreud: Of course that will pull in the actual apache pkg, as libapache-mod-php4 depends on it. |
| 00:30.00 | dvs | PinkFreud: apache2-common |
| 00:30.04 | PinkFreud | cafuego: I didn't ask for libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:30.09 | cafuego | PinkFreud: *what* are you trying to install? |
| 00:30.13 | dondelelcaro | !depends php4 |
| 00:30.15 | PinkFreud | As I already have libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 00:30.19 | dpkg | php4: depends on libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-7) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-7) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-7), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-7) |
| 00:30.44 | dondelelcaro | !depends php4 sarge |
| 00:30.49 | dpkg | php4: depends on libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-2) |
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| 00:31.17 | PinkFreud | cafuego: I'm trying to install another package which is forcing php4 to be installed |
| 00:31.31 | cafuego | PinkFreud: yes. *which* package. |
| 00:31.34 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: installing php4 isn't your problem. |
| 00:31.36 | PinkFreud | webcalendar |
| 00:31.38 | cafuego | Is there soem reasdon you can't tell me? |
| 00:31.43 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: php4 depends libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2) |
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| 00:31.46 | cafuego | !depends webcalendar |
| 00:31.52 | dpkg | webcalendar: depends on debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, php4, php4-cli | php4-cgi, php4-mysql | php4-pgsql, apache | httpd |
| 00:31.54 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: it looks like it, as 'apt-get install php4' gives me the same problem. |
| 00:32.04 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: again, your problem is with whatever is trying to install apache-utils |
| 00:32.32 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: Which appears to be php4 |
| 00:32.32 | daww | dvs, can you please tell me step by step (at least the begining) of install a new kernel... |
| 00:32.50 | uraclea_laptop | daww: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 00:32.57 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: no, it isn't. php4 has no dependency relation with apache-utils |
| 00:32.58 | dvs | daww: http://www.desktop-linux.net/debkernel.htm |
| 00:33.04 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: in fact, the only thing that does, is tomcat |
| 00:33.05 | daww | o |
| 00:33.06 | daww | ok |
| 00:33.19 | uraclea_laptop | daww: do you use grub? |
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| 00:33.25 | daww | uraclea_laptop, yes |
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| 00:33.39 | PinkFreud | tomcat isn't installed |
| 00:33.43 | uraclea_laptop | you will not need to do the grub part at the end |
| 00:33.45 | daww | uraclea_laptop, why? |
| 00:33.50 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: ex-fucking-xactly. |
| 00:33.58 | dvs | daww: You'll have to insert two lines into your /etc/kernel-img.conf file |
| 00:34.07 | PinkFreud | uh... |
| 00:34.15 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: dpkg --get-selections|grep apache; really quick. |
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| 00:34.25 | daww | dvs, ok |
| 00:34.36 | dvs | daww: "postinst_hook = /sbin/update-grub" and "postrm_hook = /sbin/update-grub" |
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| 00:34.54 | PinkFreud | apache2-common, apache2-doc, apache2-mpm-prefork, and libapache2-mod-php4 are all marked install |
| 00:34.58 | PinkFreud | nothing else. |
| 00:35.21 | Vanya | How can i creat a user account like or same a existent user ? |
| 00:35.31 | Myren | the /tmp dir has chmod 777 right? |
| 00:35.42 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: well, let it install apache-common and apache-utils; then purge them. |
| 00:35.52 | uraclea_laptop | dvs: what does that do? I have just let image install take care of updating grub |
| 00:36.12 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: I can specify apache2-utils- on the apt-get install line, like you mentioned. |
| 00:36.12 | dvs | uraclea_laptop: That runs grub whenever a kernel image is added or removed |
| 00:36.17 | daww | dvs, ok, thx |
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| 00:36.25 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: however, I don't want it to try to install these packages, period. |
| 00:36.29 | PinkFreud | There's no reason for it to. |
| 00:36.35 | Myren | someone ls their /tmp dir please. what permissions does it have. please. |
| 00:36.44 | PinkFreud | If it's a bug somewhere, I wouldn't mind reporting it. |
| 00:36.47 | uraclea_laptop | ahh, must already be in there --- i use kanotix |
| 00:36.54 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: it shouldn't be, but for some reason you've managed to select apache-utils. Just install it, then purge it. |
| 00:37.14 | PinkFreud | no way to deselect it? |
| 00:37.16 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: otherwise, use the debugging options to apt-get to figure out exactly why it thinks apache-utils should be installed. |
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| 00:37.26 | aliasptr | Does anyone have a good resource for writing an incremental backup bash (or perl) script? Lots of places talk about using find to compare differences in the file system, but I have found very little information on how to monitor chnages other than ctime and mtime, any hints? (and no I dont' want to use a piece of software, learning experience coupled with control freak) |
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| 00:37.43 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: there's no point in bothering. You've already wasted more time than it would have taken just to install and purge the thing. |
| 00:37.51 | Myren | heeeelllllloooo, what permission is /tmp!!!!!!! not too hard, please help. |
| 00:37.52 | aliasptr | (or a more appropriate place to discuss this issue) |
| 00:37.58 | PinkFreud | Myren: 1777 |
| 00:38.05 | Myren | thank you! |
| 00:38.39 | Flimzy | aliasptr: you could use diff or similar. But it will be far more CPU intensive than comparing c/mtimes... and probably only marginally more useful. |
| 00:39.24 | Flimzy | aliasptr: Unless you're transfering backups over a slow remote connection, I can't really imagine a reason not to just use c/mtimes (altho there may be a reason I haven't thought of, I suppose) |
| 00:40.49 | aliasptr | Flimzy, I actually hadn't even fully thought about the rammifications of perhaps having to untar/decompress a full backup and comparing with what is currently in the file system and then making a decision based on that, I realized it'd be a hog, but not as bad as it obviously is (moment of idiocy) |
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| 00:41.03 | aliasptr | Flimzy, I also thought it'd be a nice exercise in bash |
| 00:41.16 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: here's the kicker - I've followed your recommendation, and installed the unnecessary packages. While trying to purge them, I get: |
| 00:41.20 | PinkFreud | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 00:41.20 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:41.30 | PinkFreud | so now it wants to remove php4 on me. |
| 00:42.36 | bucky | PinkFreud, there are two versions of apache... make up your mind which one you want |
| 00:42.55 | PinkFreud | bucky: I've made up my mind. I'm trying to convince apt to make up IT'S mind. |
| 00:42.57 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: do you actually have libapache-mod-ph4 instaleld? |
| 00:43.10 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: what version of php4 do you actually have installed? |
| 00:43.19 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: I do now, as of when I installed php4 with the unnecessary apache packages. |
| 00:43.46 | ZEA | PinkFreud: tell apt-get only to download the package and then install it with dpkg |
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| 00:43.49 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: which "unecessary packages" are you purging, by the way? |
| 00:43.56 | dondelelcaro | ZEA: that's not going to help. |
| 00:43.59 | PinkFreud | apt-get --purge remove apache-{utils,common} libapache-mod-php4 |
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| 00:44.20 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: ok, and what does apt-cache show php4; output for version and depends? |
| 00:44.44 | PinkFreud | Version: 4:4.3.10-2 |
| 00:44.44 | PinkFreud | Depends: libapache-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2) | libapache2-mod-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2 |
| 00:44.44 | PinkFreud | ) | caudium-php4 (>= 4:4.3.10-2), php4-common (>= 4:4.3.10-2) |
| 00:44.56 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: the version you have installed, mind you, NOT all of the possible versions. |
| 00:45.15 | PinkFreud | erk? |
| 00:45.40 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: you've got both testing and stable in your sources.list. apt-cache show php4; will return multiple versions. |
| 00:45.44 | PinkFreud | I have an older libapache2-mod-php4 installed - 4.3.4-4 to be exact |
| 00:45.48 | ZEA | PinkFreud: you can always get the php4 source and diy :) |
| 00:45.56 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: well, there you go. |
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| 00:46.05 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: you need to upgrade libapache2-mod-php4 to -10-2 first. |
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| 00:46.22 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: I would have expected apt to upgrade that rather than force libapache-mod-php4 on me |
| 00:46.38 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: it would have, if you had run apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; first. |
| 00:46.45 | PinkFreud | hrm. |
| 00:46.54 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: installing packages onto a system that isn't fully upgraded can cause interesting situtations. |
| 00:47.02 | PinkFreud | I see. |
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| 00:47.34 | ZEA | PinkFreud: never install (a) package(s) without first running apt-get update |
| 00:47.40 | anti-windows | How can I found out what version of a package is currently installed? |
| 00:47.44 | jetscreamer | wtf is this truncated filename shit when i cp files w/>8.3 names to a vfat formatted floppy |
| 00:47.49 | PinkFreud | I'll keep that in mind. |
| 00:47.57 | PinkFreud | thanks. |
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| 00:48.14 | gravity | anti-windows: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 00:48.15 | PinkFreud | anti-windows: dpkg -l <package> |
| 00:48.16 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l antennae |
| 00:48.16 | dpkg | No packages found matching antennae |
| 00:48.24 | jetscreamer | errr anti-windows |
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| 00:49.04 | dondelelcaro | ZEA: no, that's not true. You can install packages without running apt-get update, but you can't do update and install without upgrading. |
| 00:49.10 | anti-windows | gravity / PinkFreud: thanks. jetscreamer: huh? |
| 00:49.23 | dondelelcaro | PinkFreud: this is yet another reason why you probably want to use aptitude instead of apt-get. |
| 00:49.29 | jetscreamer | see the antennae , feel the antennae |
| 00:49.34 | jetscreamer | be the antennae |
| 00:49.38 | PinkFreud | dondelelcaro: possibly. I like to torture myself, though. |
| 00:49.45 | jetscreamer | wtf is this truncated filename shit when i cp files w/>8.3 names to a vfat formatted floppy |
| 00:49.48 | dvs | bend the antennae |
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| 00:50.30 | jetscreamer | bah fuggit /me leaves |
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| 00:50.40 | paulswm | me too |
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| 00:50.59 | quittt | is it possible to recover files? |
| 00:51.03 | quittt | from ext3 |
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| 00:51.59 | gravity | quittt: No |
| 00:52.07 | gravity | ext2, yes. Not 3 |
| 00:52.12 | ZEA | quittt: if not from the journal, it's as possible as recovering them from an ext2 filesystem |
| 00:52.36 | quittt | ZEA, it is a file |
| 00:52.45 | quittt | ZEA, it is a normal file |
| 00:52.47 | quittt | a folder |
| 00:52.50 | ZEA | gravity: how come? isn't ext3 ext2 plus a journal? |
| 00:52.51 | quittt | I want to recover that |
| 00:53.06 | PinkFreud | jetscreamer: are the files using all uppercase chars? |
| 00:53.13 | PinkFreud | erk, filenames, that is |
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| 00:53.23 | gravity | ZEA: I don't really understand why, that's just what I found when I tried to recover a file off an ext3 system |
| 00:53.34 | gravity | ZEA: Something to do with the journaling process I believe |
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| 00:53.42 | gravity | ZEA: Assuming he means "undelete" |
| 00:53.50 | ZEA | i see |
| 00:54.35 | PinkFreud | jetscreamer: If so, I suggest you read the man page for mount (section titled 'Mount options for vfat') |
| 00:57.52 | jarango | When installing headers for a debian kernel, usually two pakages are installed. But make-kpkg only builds one kernel-header package, any clue on this ? |
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| 00:59.15 | Flimzy | jarango: What two packages do you "normally" install? |
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| 01:05.48 | Feiten | Does anyone know about any god dj programs, for streaming to a shoutcast server. The xmms plugin, does not work for me :s |
| 01:07.26 | jarango | Flimzy: Le me see, just a sec |
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| 01:10.40 | hogballs | im looking to get the enligntened sound system to work. the sound |
| 01:10.47 | jarango | Flimzy: For example, I am running kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686. When I do "apt-get kernel-headers-2.6.8-2-686" it also installs kernel-headers-2.6.8-2 (with no 686 at the end). |
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| 01:11.14 | zoor | Hmm if I want to open a specific port in debian... how do I do that? |
| 01:12.13 | hogballs | enlightened sound daemon |
| 01:12.33 | hogballs | !dpkg enlightened sound daemon debian package |
| 01:12.51 | bob2 | um |
| 01:12.55 | bob2 | esd |
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| 01:13.06 | hogballs | !dpkg esd |
| 01:13.06 | dpkg | rumour has it, esd is the enhanced segfault daemon, or the Enlightened Sound Daemon. Some interesting things that can be done include using 'mpg123' on a remote computer, and having it connect to a local esound daemon. AKA: Evil Sound Daemon, or "my views on esd are mostly unprintable." -- Alan Cox |
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| 01:13.58 | hogballs | alsa works but when i change it to esd it cant initalize |
| 01:14.40 | hogballs | i need esd to work so i can use gyach |
| 01:14.47 | hogballs | !dpkg gyach |
| 01:14.49 | inc|freaky | hi all. im looking for some nice packages to install. anyone got any good 'must-have' packages? ;) |
| 01:15.07 | hogballs | ya try and get gyach to work |
| 01:15.18 | abrotman | hogballs: /msg dpkg <blah> |
| 01:15.34 | abrotman | inc|freaky: mine says 2.8.1 also |
| 01:15.46 | inc|freaky | abrotman: ;) awkay :o) |
| 01:16.37 | bob2 | inc|freaky: mutt, screen |
| 01:16.48 | inc|freaky | ah, screen ;) |
| 01:17.15 | inc|freaky | does anyone know why even when i apt-get remove --purge apache2 its still running and the init.d script doesnt get removed? |
| 01:17.39 | robertg | it's still running? |
| 01:17.40 | robertg | how is that? |
| 01:17.48 | fooz | inc|freaky, remove the actual apache2 binary package |
| 01:17.51 | fooz | inc|freaky, like apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 01:17.56 | inc|freaky | i have no idea, it doesnt even stop with /etc/init.d/apache2 stop |
| 01:18.20 | fooz | inc|freaky, or file a bug report |
| 01:18.22 | inc|freaky | can i do apt-get remove --purge apache2 * |
| 01:18.25 | Flimzy | inc|freaky: Then it probably wasn't started with /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 01:18.27 | Flimzy | inc|freaky: did you install a non-deb version of the package? |
| 01:18.34 | inc|freaky | no, only deb version |
| 01:18.53 | Flimzy | inc|freaky: Do you have apache2-ssl installed as well |
| 01:18.56 | inc|freaky | no |
| 01:18.57 | Flimzy | ? |
| 01:18.58 | inc|freaky | not afaik |
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| 01:19.22 | Flimzy | well find out :) |
| 01:19.46 | inc|freaky | ive done apt-get remove --purge apache2* |
| 01:19.50 | inc|freaky | now im trying |
| 01:19.59 | aati | bye |
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| 01:20.06 | abrotman | apache2 in sarge has ssl included by default |
| 01:20.11 | inc|freaky | good, aint working anymore, removed :D |
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| 01:21.33 | inc|freaky | does anybody know of any good dynamic dns provider with autoupdate tool for linux? |
| 01:21.40 | bob2 | ddts.net was good |
| 01:21.44 | bob2 | dyndns.org will work, too |
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| 01:21.53 | _rene_ | dyndns.org |
| 01:22.04 | inc|freaky | awkay, thx :D |
| 01:22.29 | _rene_ | .oO ( ow. I remember that nick ) |
| 01:22.52 | inc|freaky | hi _rene_ ... i dont remember yours, sry :\ |
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| 01:23.14 | abrotman | .oO ( these are dumb .. really dumb ) |
| 01:23.16 | _rene_ | inc|freaky: the realname discussion in the neighbor channel :) |
| 01:23.27 | inc|freaky | ah, yo ;p |
| 01:24.00 | Xenguy | , o O ( to each their own ) |
| 01:24.15 | abrotman | Xenguy: you messed it up :) |
| 01:24.32 | Xenguy | abrotman: a wizard always arrives precisely on time ;-) |
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| 01:24.51 | abrotman | Xenguy: you mean Wyzard ? |
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| 01:26.23 | Xenguy | _rene_: don't mess with wizards, wyzards, or BOFH young man >.< |
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| 01:28.11 | ar3dam | hi there, how can i add a nic on debian? |
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| 01:29.03 | LinuxMafia | all : i want to copy a dvd , and k3b says cant determine the media type :( , any idea? |
| 01:29.12 | Delph | ar3dam: investigate putting the thing in your box in hardware terms, then check if you need any supermagic kernel modules, then prod /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:30.45 | inc|freaky | how do i get into that base configuration? i forgot the cmd :\ |
| 01:30.58 | cheal|ignored | base-config |
| 01:31.01 | inc|freaky | ah, thx lol |
| 01:31.15 | zoor | Hmm if I want to open a specific port in debian for all traffic... how do I do that? |
| 01:31.46 | inc|freaky | how do i change the default language for the whole system? |
| 01:32.03 | inc|freaky | zoor: i think you cant open just one port for all the traffic ... |
| 01:32.35 | cheal|ignored | !locale |
| 01:32.35 | dpkg | i heard locale is something to help you using an application you don't understand because it's written in a language you don't know, by making you not understand it in a language you know. |
| 01:32.40 | cheal|ignored | !locales |
| 01:32.40 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course. |
| 01:32.41 | zoor | hmm really? |
| 01:32.56 | inc|freaky | thx :) |
| 01:33.09 | fumbalah | how important is it to use a debian kernel to recompile debian, or can I just use the default one off kernel.org |
| 01:33.53 | Kvant | fumbalah, a vanilla kernel from kernel.org will work fine |
| 01:33.56 | inc|freaky | zoor: well, there are different ports for different services. also other computers over tzoor: i think so |
| 01:34.04 | inc|freaky | oops |
| 01:34.09 | zoor | hehe |
| 01:34.16 | Kvant | fumbalah, if you configure correctly, ofc :) |
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| 01:34.46 | zoor | sounds weird though. It should work to block all ports and allow one. |
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| 01:36.12 | inc|freaky | that's real heavy security |
| 01:36.22 | zoor | yes :) |
| 01:36.59 | inc|freaky | which also makes you unable to do different things on the net without allowing other machines on the net to connect to a port they want to |
| 01:37.07 | inc|freaky | well, i think it isnt possible |
| 01:37.37 | inc|freaky | well, it is but very very ehm, yea my english sucks ;p |
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| 01:38.21 | zoor | inc|freaky, no worries. thnx anyway :) |
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| 01:38.35 | inc|freaky | ehm, one more question. since i changed the vga= thingy in grub bootloader to have my consoles in a higher resolution, it cant display äöüs anymore (german accent keys) is there any way to fix this? |
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| 01:39.08 | inc|freaky | it just displays strange signs |
| 01:39.39 | efafafawf | hey guys.my fresh installed debian refuses to run kdm/gdm/xdm.there's a problem with the monintor resultion, what should i do? |
| 01:39.48 | bob2 | configure X |
| 01:39.54 | bob2 | !+lazy X |
| 01:39.54 | dpkg | lazy x is, like, 'apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect;dpkg -P --force-depends xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common;apt-get install xserver-xfree86 xfree86-common' |
| 01:40.07 | CosmoDad | is there an easy way to clone a daemon with only slightly different parameters? I'd like to run a second ssh daemon on a different port... |
| 01:40.23 | bob2 | CosmoDad: ssh can run on multiple ports with one daemon |
| 01:40.33 | efafafawf | so i should write all of the above? |
| 01:40.55 | CosmoDad | bob2: really? nice. Do you know whether it supports different options per port? I'd like to allow user on port X but not on port Y |
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| 01:41.25 | bob2 | no |
| 01:41.28 | inc|freaky | brb, restarting :) |
| 01:41.31 | bob2 | for that you need two |
| 01:41.43 | CosmoDad | bob2: alright |
| 01:41.48 | bob2 | copy /etc/init.d/ssh to /etc/init.d/ssh-user |
| 01:42.02 | efafafawf | bob2: are u writing to me? |
| 01:42.04 | bob2 | edit the parameters passed to sshd so it includes '-f /etc/ssh/sshd_config_user' |
| 01:42.07 | bob2 | efafafawf: no |
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| 01:42.14 | efafafawf | sorry |
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| 01:42.21 | efafafawf | Will u help me? |
| 01:42.22 | CosmoDad | bob2: ok, and I guess I need to run update-rc.d ? |
| 01:42.22 | bob2 | CosmoDad: then copy /etc/ssh/sshd_config to /etc/ssh/sshd_config_user and tweak it |
| 01:42.26 | bob2 | CosmoDad: right |
| 01:42.35 | CosmoDad | bob2: that'll be all you think? |
| 01:42.40 | bob2 | efafafawf: the solution didn't work? |
| 01:42.41 | bob2 | CosmoDad: yes |
| 01:42.54 | CosmoDad | bob2: I guess I also need to make sure each ssh process uses its own pid file... |
| 01:42.55 | jstevens | !u |
| 01:42.55 | dpkg | It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
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| 01:45.42 | WillR | anyone know how i would be able to make MRTG disaply BW stats of a baystack switch aroudn 16 ports? likei have the switch sendind snmp data to the ip of a debian box... but how do i make mrtg recognise/display it? PS: I have mrtg dispalying stats of the local box no problems there |
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| 01:46.25 | simonrvn | what's this $@ thing called? (shell) |
| 01:46.55 | MrHemlock | rest of ARGV (i think) |
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| 01:47.11 | simonrvn | WillR: use the handy snmp integration of mrtg's and query the switch |
| 01:47.28 | lobezn1 | dpkg xD |
| 01:47.29 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
| 01:47.32 | simonrvn | MrHemlock: that makes sense actually. ARGV |
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| 01:48.25 | MrHemlock | simonrvn: yw |
| 01:48.32 | simonrvn | thanks :) |
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| 01:49.42 | efafafawf | gui won't start cuz of monitor configuration problem, can u help? |
| 01:50.20 | bob2 | efafafawf: did you follow those steps or not? |
| 01:50.43 | efafafawf | the apt-get was for me? |
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| 01:52.11 | sharth | is there a program like lint for C++? |
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| 01:52.22 | abrotman | lint does C++ ? |
| 01:52.46 | sharth | abrotman: if it does, the version that i have is flipping out for no real reason then. |
| 01:52.55 | abrotman | !lint |
| 01:53.37 | abrotman | sharth: maybe inquire at #gcc |
| 01:54.22 | sharth | abrotman: okay. thanks. |
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| 01:56.34 | efafafawf | bob2> if followed the steps but it's still won't work |
| 01:58.22 | inc|freaky | again me. does anybody know how i can change the locale so apt uses english instead of german? because it looks ugly when all those strange signs appear instead of äöüs and i tried loadkeys de and it doesnt work. i also tried switching the console resolution to 1024*... but it doesnt work |
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| 01:59.11 | inc|freaky | and, where can i find a good program for auto-updating the dyndns.org dns? |
| 01:59.27 | WillR | <simonrvn>: I'm not sure how to do that...... |
| 01:59.49 | FieldySnuts | anyone know what's so special about gphoto2, when I can just plug my cam in, mount it as a disk, and copy off it? is there an advantage? |
| 01:59.49 | Kvant | inc|freaky, try: apt-cache search dyndns |
| 02:00.15 | inc|freaky | i did that and tried that program but it didnt update |
| 02:00.19 | inc|freaky | and i couldnt find anything in the logs |
| 02:00.36 | Kvant | inc|freaky, there are 3 or 4 to choose from |
| 02:00.43 | inc|freaky | really? |
| 02:00.46 | inc|freaky | ill look |
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| 02:01.27 | michal_ | hi. i've been trying to get xen 2.0.4 running on my system for a few days now with no luck. has anyone here been able to get it to work? |
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| 02:03.06 | Kvant | inc|freaky, also, are you sure it didn't update? it may take up to 4 hours the first time |
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| 02:04.04 | inc|freaky | yes it didnt update the other ip was updated |
| 02:04.11 | inc|freaky | by webinterface |
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| 02:05.02 | inc|freaky | so, any idea how i can get apt to use english instead of german? |
| 02:05.18 | inc|freaky | ive done dpkg-reconfigure locales and set the default to en_us but it still uses german for apt |
| 02:05.55 | cheal|ignored | set $LANG |
| 02:06.00 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: use ddclient |
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| 02:07.56 | Overand | Not sure where to ask this. What's a decent *quiet* laptop HD? |
| 02:07.58 | inc|freaky | i did set $LANG and it still uses german :( |
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| 02:08.45 | efafafawf | how do i find out which video card I have? |
| 02:08.50 | abrotman | lspci |
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| 02:09.38 | cheal|ignored | inc|freaky: works for me, I don't know |
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| 02:10.07 | rags | hi all, here is my question: I'm running a dual hdd system, hda is windows, hdb is debian. problem is that im not sure what to write in the mbr with lilo so that both drives will still boot and everything. can someone lend me some help or possibly an example of a lilo config under the same circumstances? |
| 02:10.07 | inc|freaky | i dont even understand y it suddenly cant display äöüs :( |
| 02:10.41 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: Ping. |
| 02:11.12 | xerophyte | i have some colocation servers, if i want to install debian from mirror server .. do i need boot disk on the server to mount the filesystem just wondering |
| 02:11.23 | lotusleaf | rags: is using a boot disk (floppy) an option for Linux? |
| 02:11.40 | inc|freaky | k, brb - reboot - testing things |
| 02:11.48 | efafafawf | 10x abrotman,hope to solve my gui problem |
| 02:11.52 | lotusleaf | rags: you could always just use a boot floppy ;) |
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| 02:12.16 | rags | lotusleaf: i guess it could be, but i would prefer to have the boot choice on load of my system if i can set it |
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| 02:12.32 | lotusleaf | rags: ok, hope someone helps you out then. |
| 02:12.48 | rags | lotusleaf: thanks |
| 02:12.52 | lotusleaf | rags: yw |
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| 02:16.22 | c4_ | hi |
| 02:16.39 | efafafawf | why do i get "unknown option -e" when i write dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 for the 2nd time? |
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| 02:17.18 | c4_ | someone can give me the hsinc and vsinc of an aoc D1779 monitor that i couldn't find or some secure values that i can put? |
| 02:17.25 | inc|freaky | the updating works now, but still got that problem with german/english :( |
| 02:17.28 | dvs | c4_: google |
| 02:17.55 | rags | I'm running a dual hdd system, hda is windows, hdb is debian. problem is that im not sure what to write in the mbr with lilo so that both drives will still boot and everything. can someone lend me some help or possibly an example of a lilo config under the same circumstances? |
| 02:17.57 | c4_ | dvs: "that i couldn't find" (google) |
| 02:18.06 | dvs | c4_: baloney |
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| 02:18.14 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart c4_ |
| 02:18.22 | c4_ | dvs: i don't know what is that |
| 02:18.32 | dvs | c4_: I don't believe you |
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| 02:19.03 | c4_ | dvs: i don't care, search and look at the facts, if you don't believe me |
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| 02:19.37 | c4_ | someone that don't wanna argue and want to give me that 2 numbers? |
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| 02:20.02 | abrotman | c4_: i know .. google!! |
| 02:20.14 | abrotman | !google aoc d1779 hsync |
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| 02:20.22 | FieldySnuts | fgi |
| 02:20.22 | dpkg | Google was unable to find any results for aoc d1779 hsync |
| 02:20.29 | abrotman | well ... |
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| 02:21.10 | c4_ | Su busqueda - aoc d1779 hsync - no produjo ningun documento. |
| 02:21.20 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
| 02:21.26 | robertg | lol |
| 02:21.43 | c4_ | that means: Your search ... not found |
| 02:21.46 | Delph | lets see if we can make them FEAR #debian. |
| 02:21.47 | c4_ | ?? |
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| 02:21.51 | abrotman | you know .. maybe someday .. they'll put that crap on the back of the monitor .. in a smart place |
| 02:21.52 | zinx | i wasn't able to find -anything- on aoc d1779, which means you have the model number wrong. |
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| 02:22.04 | abrotman | c4_: aoc d1779 spec |
| 02:22.05 | zinx | or you have a monitor that no one else in the world has or sells |
| 02:22.10 | abrotman | or try the aoc site |
| 02:22.28 | c4_ | abrotman: can be that google send me to .ar and the content is not the same as .com? |
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| 02:22.52 | abrotman | since googleing for "aoc d1779" returns zilch .. i'm inclined to agree with zinx :) |
| 02:22.52 | c4_ | again! |
| 02:23.02 | FieldySnuts | @confuse c4_ |
| 02:23.12 | FieldySnuts | guess not |
| 02:23.13 | c4_ | can i make google, not to redicrect me to google.com.ar? |
| 02:23.25 | zinx | you need to find the actual model number :/ |
| 02:23.25 | zinx | AOC's site lists nothing even slightly named like "d1779" |
| 02:23.27 | ravenbird | yes those is my pineapple today ? |
| 02:23.31 | Delph | c4_: tell your browser not to follow redirects. |
| 02:23.32 | c4_ | FieldySnuts: i suare i did search in google that chain |
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| 02:23.43 | Delph | or read the page and click the obvious link =:) |
| 02:23.45 | c4_ | Delph: ok |
| 02:23.59 | abrotman | c4_: http://www.lam.aocdisplay.com/lam/aoc/servicio_y_soporte_manuales.htm .. which one is yours? |
| 02:24.03 | c4_ | 8... it doesn't have! |
| 02:24.11 | c4_ | 8,,,( |
| 02:24.21 | abrotman | c4_: your model is on the back .. find it |
| 02:24.38 | zinx | c4_: d1779 is not your model number |
| 02:24.44 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: compaqsmite abrotman |
| 02:24.44 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: i don't know |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | FieldySnuts: not a compaq! :) |
| 02:26.42 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a database war |
| 02:26.43 | ravenbird | oracle rocks |
| 02:27.02 | cheal|ignored | ravenbird: no way. GNU SQL does |
| 02:27.03 | ravenbird | cheal|ignored: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 02:27.08 | abrotman | ravenbird: can you eat rocks ? |
| 02:27.09 | c4_ | HTTP Error 404 - File or directory not found. |
| 02:27.10 | ravenbird | j'ai pas d'idée de quoi tu parles, abrotman |
| 02:27.12 | cheal|ignored | ravenbird: RTFM |
| 02:27.14 | ravenbird | rumour has it, rtfm is Read the Fucking Manual. Please note that this is an expression born more of exasperation than of personal malice. Usually the person delivering the response is a bit burnt out and should be answering newbie questions a bit less. Feel free to ask, "Which manual?" in response. |
| 02:27.15 | c4_ | dammmmmmmn! |
| 02:27.18 | c4_ | GGrrr |
| 02:27.35 | Delph | ravenbird: which manual? |
| 02:27.36 | ravenbird | Delph: I give up, what is it? |
| 02:27.49 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: start a database war |
| 02:27.50 | ravenbird | postgresql is slow |
| 02:27.54 | FieldySnuts | heh. |
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| 02:28.05 | G400 | c4_: safe is Horizontal 31.5-64, Vertical 50-90 (very safe) |
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| 02:29.37 | phishy81 | is there a package for the 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:29.46 | simonrvn | !literal cmd: compaqsmite (.*?) |
| 02:29.46 | dvs | phishy81: Which Debian? |
| 02:29.55 | simonrvn | oh, it isn't here |
| 02:30.00 | phishy81 | 3.0 |
| 02:30.12 | c4_ | ok |
| 02:30.13 | robertg | lol |
| 02:30.14 | dvs | !find kernel-image-2.6 woody |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | !bunk 2.6 |
| 02:30.24 | dpkg | i heard bunk 2.6 is You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
| 02:30.33 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'kernel-image-2.6' returned no results. |
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| 02:31.12 | simonrvn | oh it is |
| 02:31.19 | simonrvn | !compaqsmite foo |
| 02:31.20 | phishy81 | how do i upgrade to sarge? |
| 02:31.31 | simonrvn | ravenbird: woody->sarge |
| 02:31.31 | ravenbird | [woody->sarge] edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge", or "testing". testing *is* sarge currently.. Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 02:31.32 | abrotman | !tell phishy81 about woody->sarge |
| 02:31.37 | dvs | phishy81: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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| 02:32.04 | phishy81 | haha thanks.. you guys are efficient |
| 02:32.05 | sanxiyn | Hm: http://uucode.com/texts/xfind/ |
| 02:32.10 | sanxiyn | Now how cool is that? |
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| 02:32.29 | abrotman | sanxiyn: does it make me rich? |
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| 02:32.39 | abrotman | holy shit .. a newbie that can spell .. |
| 02:32.43 | abrotman | phishy81: i hope you stick around :) |
| 02:33.16 | simonrvn | amazing |
| 02:33.17 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you still mad? |
| 02:33.22 | sanxiyn | find -xpath '/bin/*[@size > /bin/bash/@size]' |
| 02:33.23 | phishy81 | i will probably have to |
| 02:33.24 | sanxiyn | That is sick. |
| 02:33.32 | simonrvn | nice to see someone who can spell |
| 02:33.49 | abrotman | simonrvn: only two others here :) |
| 02:33.59 | simonrvn | meh |
| 02:34.01 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 02:34.04 | phishy81 | well, thanks i guess! :-) |
| 02:34.14 | aghdf | anyone here given ubuntu a go? |
| 02:34.19 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 02:34.19 | dpkg | well, ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 02:34.31 | aghdf | i know |
| 02:34.32 | simonrvn | phishy81: well, often we have people join that can't spell :/. |
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| 02:34.41 | dvs | aghdf: Then why ask here? |
| 02:34.43 | abrotman | or actually understand that 'u' isn't a word |
| 02:34.45 | simonrvn | aghdf: only xorg |
| 02:34.53 | aghdf | i think i might dual boot it and see how i go. |
| 02:34.55 | phishy81 | understood |
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| 02:34.57 | chealer | tip of the day : don't try cat /dev/console |
| 02:35.03 | simonrvn | hahahha |
| 02:35.07 | aghdf | yeah, im interested in playing with xorg |
| 02:35.21 | simonrvn | sanxiyn: *groan* |
| 02:35.39 | spoopin | chealer: thank God it denied me permission :) |
| 02:36.01 | simonrvn | cat -v might be a *wee* bit safer ;) |
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| 02:36.41 | phishy81 | is that a good way to mess things up.. should i try it? :-) |
| 02:36.55 | simonrvn | uh, no |
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| 02:37.24 | abrotman | helix__: aren't you on vacation ? |
| 02:37.27 | simonrvn | you'll have to reset your terminal at the least |
| 02:37.36 | helix | ooh |
| 02:37.38 | helix | an imposter |
| 02:37.46 | abrotman | helix: oh .. aren't you on vacation ? |
| 02:37.50 | helix | I am, yes |
| 02:37.56 | helix | and not in seattle |
| 02:37.59 | abrotman | helix: but you respond rather quickly :) |
| 02:37.59 | c4_ | in the .com server google find more things than in .com.ar |
| 02:38.07 | helix | abrotman: waiting for another person to arrive |
| 02:38.08 | cheal|ignored | at the least...heh it shut down my KDE session |
| 02:38.13 | c4_ | i didn't knew that |
| 02:38.18 | c4_ | know |
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| 02:38.22 | `alex | i cant seem to get mplayer |
| 02:38.26 | c4_ | well ... |
| 02:38.28 | cheal|ignored | !mplayer |
| 02:38.28 | dpkg | not packaged by debian for licensing issues, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see 'marillat' or 'cerkinfo'' or visit http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, get the right tarball, and dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 02:38.30 | `alex | can anyone tell me where can i get it |
| 02:38.32 | abrotman | helix: ah .. gotcha .. having fun? .. damn cold isn't it :) |
| 02:38.41 | helix | yes, it isis cold |
| 02:38.42 | simonrvn | um, that's going to change |
| 02:38.42 | CosmoDad | the sshd_config option "ListenAddress 0.0.0.0" will make ssh accept connections from _anywhere_ right? |
| 02:38.44 | helix | is |
| 02:39.05 | simonrvn | CosmoDad: no, it'll listen on all available interfaces |
| 02:39.17 | Xenguy | CosmoDad: that sounds wrong |
| 02:39.31 | helix | freezing even |
| 02:39.33 | helix | hooray |
| 02:39.41 | CosmoDad | simonrvn: with no restriction to IP address? |
| 02:39.51 | CosmoDad | Xenguy: what would be "anywhere" then? |
| 02:40.16 | simonrvn | read what i said. "all available interfaces", meaning any and all interfaces on the machine |
| 02:40.23 | helix | why does asian spam ruin mutt's display when running in screen? |
| 02:40.35 | busfahrer | Hey, on sarge, what's the meta-package for X11 called? |
| 02:40.42 | simonrvn | helix: get screen to do utf-8 |
| 02:40.43 | Xenguy | CosmoDad: doesn't ssh already accept connections from anywhere unless you use something like 'AllowUsers' in sshd_config ? |
| 02:40.49 | dvs | busfahrer: x-window-system |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | busfahrer: x-window-system |
| 02:40.55 | dvs | beat ya! ;-)( |
| 02:40.56 | busfahrer | Thanks! (dvs wins ;-) |
| 02:41.02 | simonrvn | CosmoDad: block via iptables like everyone else |
| 02:41.08 | simonrvn | or don't run sshd |
| 02:41.19 | simonrvn | or make it listen on some other port... |
| 02:41.20 | phishy81 | i am hoping upgrading my kernel, will kill my 126GB disk limit |
| 02:41.22 | simonrvn | etc. |
| 02:41.32 | CosmoDad | simonrvn, Xenguy: ok |
| 02:42.01 | simonrvn | @lart aol proxies, hard |
| 02:42.28 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 02:42.30 | jstevens | nice.... |
| 02:42.31 | LinuxMafia | all : any one knows how to mount a video dvd's? |
| 02:42.43 | dvs | LinuxMafia: you don't |
| 02:43.02 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: do you have a /dev/DVD ? |
| 02:43.15 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: mine called /dev/sr0 |
| 02:43.29 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: then that's part of your problem |
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| 02:43.36 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: are you using udev? |
| 02:43.52 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: i think so |
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| 02:44.21 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: go into /etc/udev/ |
| 02:44.55 | jstevens | make an symbolic link in the rules folder, to the cd-aliases script |
| 02:45.13 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: then re-run udev |
| 02:46.09 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: that's the raw of it.. I might be slightly off as I don't have an example-box to login to... check out the udev man pages |
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| 02:46.48 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: i can not see the files |
| 02:47.15 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: do you have an /etc/udev ? |
| 02:47.43 | LinuxMafia | no |
| 02:47.52 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: i dont have it |
| 02:48.00 | jstevens | LinuxMafia then you aren't running udev :-) |
| 02:48.11 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: yes what should i do |
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| 02:48.25 | dodgyville | !when will sarge release |
| 02:48.25 | dpkg | Sarge will release WIR; SIYH. Current estimates are N+30 days, where N is when debian-security updates for sarge come online. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/01/msg00011.html and http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2004/12/msg00006.html Ask me about <sarge pool>, <wir>, <siyh>, <sarge guess> and <sing sarge>. |
| 02:48.38 | jstevens | make a symbolic link in /dev to point /dev/dvd to your /dev/sr0 |
| 02:49.04 | jstevens | LinuxMafia then try and use the DVD app again |
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| 02:50.04 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: ok i do that right now |
| 02:50.16 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: sure... why not |
| 02:50.34 | dodgyville | They probably shouldn't have announced an October 2004 release for sarge on slashdot last year. |
| 02:50.42 | FaithX | Hey guys I want to make a 120MB ramdisk to do some file searching in... do I have to alter the ramdisk size in grub, or can I create a new 'big' ramdisk in userland? |
| 02:50.57 | jstevens | dodgyville: LOL... probably right |
| 02:51.33 | LinuxMafia | it says there is /dev/dvd , it exist |
| 02:51.57 | dvs | LinuxMafia: ls -l /dev/dvd |
| 02:52.15 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: what dvs said... |
| 02:52.20 | jstevens | :-) |
| 02:52.26 | LinuxMafia | dvs , it gave snothing |
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| 02:52.49 | dvs | LinuxMafia: Then /dev/dvd does not exist |
| 02:52.51 | LinuxMafia | lr-xr-xr-x 1 root root 8 Feb 21 13:35 /dev/dvd -> /dev/sr0 |
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| 02:53.14 | Delph | FaithX: you should be able to create a new big ramdisk in userland. |
| 02:53.17 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: try your app now (there is a DVD in the drive, right?) |
| 02:53.21 | Delph | well, semi-user-land, anyhow. |
| 02:53.54 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: yes |
| 02:54.23 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: it gives read error |
| 02:54.31 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: wh/ DVD app? |
| 02:54.39 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: gxine |
| 02:54.39 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: and what's the text of the error? |
| 02:55.03 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: it says it dont have the plugins |
| 02:55.18 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: then it's not an error w/ the drive..... |
| 02:55.30 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: no |
| 02:55.35 | jstevens | LinuxMafia: download wh/ever plugin it needs |
| 02:55.45 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: i dont know what it needs |
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| 02:55.55 | savek | hi |
| 02:56.15 | jstevens | anyone-else? ... I haven't used gxine |
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| 02:56.44 | Delph | no idea. you're not a french roadsign btw =:) |
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| 02:57.08 | jstevens | Delph: what, the hyphen? |
| 02:57.23 | LinuxMafia | jstevens: i have lots of dvd palyer |
| 02:57.24 | Delph | no the w/ and wh/ and so on... |
| 02:57.47 | Delph | all the "sur la mer" shortened to s/ and so on |
| 02:57.53 | jstevens | Delph: didn't know that that had anything to do w/ french roadsigns |
| 02:58.10 | Delph | they do the same thing, with equal levels of incoherency =:) |
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| 02:58.39 | doug_ | where might my imagemagick directory be? whereis gets nothing and find seems to reveal only the docs |
| 02:58.40 | LinuxMafia | i also have totem |
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| 02:59.12 | cheal|ignored | doug_: use dpkg -L |
| 02:59.48 | doug_ | woah thanks |
| 03:00.03 | jstevens | there's one decription library that is required to read DVDs... I just can't remember it's name. actually, it's also required for mplayer, you don't remember the name of it do you Delph ? |
| 03:01.04 | cheal|ignored | try dpkg -l libdvd* |
| 03:01.25 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: i have lib dvd |
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| 03:02.10 | jstevens | that doesn't sound like what I was thinking of.. but I dont' remember either... |
| 03:03.06 | cheal|ignored | LinuxMafia: do you use a DE? |
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| 03:03.52 | abrotman | wow .. #alsa is just horribly unhelpful :) |
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| 03:04.24 | Delph | no idea (re library name) |
| 03:05.16 | debboy | hi all. #plone is pretty quiet. anyone know anything about plone? i have a simple problem: changing the site logo |
| 03:05.29 | bob2 | joey_: libdvdcss2 or 3 |
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| 03:05.39 | debboy | i tried to change it, just like in The Definitive Guide (online book), but it doesn't seem to pick up the change? |
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| 03:05.52 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: what is that? |
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| 03:06.07 | cheal|ignored | LinuxMafia: Desktop Environment, Gnome, KDE... |
| 03:06.17 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: yes kde |
| 03:06.27 | cheal|ignored | LinuxMafia: did you try okle? |
| 03:06.33 | unixfool_ | I'm trying to setup this guys webserver on debian, with a default install of apache I keep getting "The requested method POST is not allowed for the URL /foo/index.htm." |
| 03:06.37 | unixfool_ | What does that mean? |
| 03:06.41 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: no |
| 03:06.53 | unixfool_ | POST looks to be allowed |
| 03:06.57 | cheal|ignored | LinuxMafia: do so, or try ogle |
| 03:07.20 | savek | hasta luego ;) |
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| 03:07.38 | bob2 | people use POST? |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | i do |
| 03:07.55 | CosmoDad | how do I prohibit SSH password authentication for a specific user only? Someone said it was possible but I can't find a per-user option... |
| 03:07.58 | abrotman | bob2: you don't? |
| 03:08.07 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: i will do it |
| 03:08.17 | bob2 | unixfool_: why would you POST to an html file? |
| 03:08.25 | bob2 | abrotman: webdav, baybe. |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | well ..that's another question |
| 03:08.35 | abrotman | bob2: for form data? |
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| 03:09.35 | bob2 | not to .html files |
| 03:10.00 | abrotman | bob2: right .. but you use webdav for form data? |
| 03:10.25 | bob2 | no |
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| 03:10.39 | abrotman | bob2: when why are you saying "webdav, baybe" ? |
| 03:10.49 | bob2 | because I'm stupid |
| 03:10.53 | LinuxMafia | can i show any one of you guys the files i got after mounting the dvd? |
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| 03:10.56 | bob2 | and was confused briefly |
| 03:11.00 | bob2 | and mixed POST up with PUT |
| 03:11.01 | abrotman | bob2: but you're in a band!! |
| 03:11.03 | cheal|ignored | haha, bob2 did an error too :-P |
| 03:11.10 | abrotman | bob2: eww w .. PUT :) |
| 03:11.20 | cheal|ignored | how do you take a quote? |
| 03:11.24 | abrotman | a quote of what? |
| 03:11.25 | cafuego | bob2: Why not to .HTML files? |
| 03:11.28 | NoRC | Ok, i need to read the buffer of a serial port into a txt file? Whats the best way to do this? |
| 03:11.30 | bob2 | abrotman: the grateful dead isn't a band, it's a way of life |
| 03:11.35 | abrotman | bob2: heh |
| 03:11.39 | cheal|ignored | what bob2 said, he admiteed he was wrong :) |
| 03:11.42 | bob2 | cafuego: what's a .html file going to do with it? |
| 03:11.48 | travisat | hmm is there any reason tor isn't working here? |
| 03:11.49 | bob2 | I admit I'm wrong daily |
| 03:11.55 | cafuego | bob2: <!--#include virtual="handler.php"--> |
| 03:11.56 | bob2 | travisat: it's banned due to massive abuse |
| 03:12.03 | bob2 | cafuego: you're sick. |
| 03:12.10 | cafuego | bob2: Why? |
| 03:12.13 | abrotman | cafuego: i haven't done that in a while :) |
| 03:12.25 | travisat | bob2: okay |
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| 03:12.49 | cafuego | bob2: $user can edit all .html files on their site, but can't modify *.php. |
| 03:13.01 | bob2 | travisat: if someone has a legitimate reason for it, I'll add an exception |
| 03:13.03 | cafuego | bob2: SO they can restyle their site (with or without css) |
| 03:13.09 | bob2 | hm |
| 03:13.51 | asuffield | exceptions will be massively abused too. it's a bit of a silly idea really |
| 03:14.09 | cafuego | if people need an exception they should request a cloaked hostname. |
| 03:14.10 | asuffield | "I want to be indistinguishable from zombie flooders, but I want to be treated differently to them" |
| 03:14.24 | bob2 | well, true |
| 03:14.30 | cafuego | If they can't be arsed doing that, they don't need an exception. |
| 03:14.35 | abrotman | what are you guys going on about? |
| 03:14.36 | LinuxMafia | libdvdread: Can't open file VIDEO_TS.IFO. |
| 03:14.37 | LinuxMafia | ERROR[ogle_nav]: faild to read VIDEO_TS.IFO |
| 03:14.37 | abrotman | oh .. the tor guy |
| 03:14.40 | cheal|ignored | cafuego: what's that "<!--#include virtual="handler.php"-->"? SSI? |
| 03:14.50 | abrotman | yeah |
| 03:14.51 | travisat | bob2: I don't like giving out my isp |
| 03:14.53 | cafuego | cheal|ignored: Yes. |
| 03:14.54 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: i get error |
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| 03:14.59 | bob2 | travisat: get a cloak |
| 03:15.07 | cafuego | travisat: www.freenode.net - ask for a cloak. |
| 03:15.09 | travisat | a cloak? |
| 03:15.12 | travisat | mmkay |
| 03:15.16 | cafuego | !dict cloak |
| 03:15.19 | dpkg | Dictionary 'cloak' (2 shown; 9 total): anything that covers or conceals ;; Cloak \Cloak\, v. t. [imp. & p. p. Cloaked; p. pr. & vb. n. Cloaking.] To cover with, or as with, a cloak; hence, to hide or conceal.. |
| 03:15.20 | cheal|ignored | LinuxMafia: you have libdvdread3 and libdvdnav4 installed? |
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| 03:15.28 | abrotman | !cloak |
| 03:15.34 | abrotman | why doesn't dpkg know about that |
| 03:15.44 | cafuego | abrotman: Coz tyou didn't add the factoid, slacker. |
| 03:15.55 | abrotman | !useless factoids |
| 03:15.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, useless factoids is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a knoppix user |
| 03:15.58 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:16.14 | cheal|ignored | cafuego: ok, I've never really been aware of any site using SSI |
| 03:16.20 | id10t | i'm using cc to compile a wrapper for a perl script (according to tfm)... it bombs when it cant find a .h file that is in /usr/src/kernel-headers... what do i need to change so it can find it? |
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| 03:16.33 | bob2 | haha |
| 03:16.34 | cafuego | cheal|ignored: Most do, you just can't see it, as it's parsed before it goes out. |
| 03:16.34 | bob2 | no |
| 03:16.49 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: yes |
| 03:16.51 | bob2 | id10t: no perl script uses files from /usr/src/kernel-headers |
| 03:16.56 | cafuego | id10t: Your userspace app doesn't require those headers. Ever. |
| 03:17.08 | abrotman | cheal|ignored: i've seen a lot of ASP sites that do |
| 03:17.08 | cheal|ignored | cafuego: most...hehe, I guess I'm ignorant then :) |
| 03:17.24 | id10t | cafuego trying to compile a .c file... cc -o foo foo.c |
| 03:17.37 | bob2 | id10t: it doesn't need kernel headers |
| 03:17.42 | asuffield | I dunno about "most sites use it", that would be rather difficult to measure |
| 03:17.43 | cafuego | id10t: That doesn't require kernel headers. install libc6-dev |
| 03:17.45 | id10t | cafuego i'm guessing its an include path, just don't know what to change to fix it |
| 03:17.48 | asuffield | most sites probably *support* it |
| 03:17.52 | bob2 | id10t: aka install build-essential |
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| 03:18.04 | id10t | bob2 fantastic... thanks |
| 03:18.09 | id10t | thanks for the quick help y'all |
| 03:18.27 | cafuego | asuffield: Well, any sites that have lazy developers who just include headers/footers/nav/etc. |
| 03:18.29 | cheal|ignored | LinuxMafia: I don't really know. try google maybe? |
| 03:18.51 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: it is vcd files i guess |
| 03:18.52 | asuffield | cafuego: there's at least half a dozen ways to do that. www.debian.org does it with wml, for example |
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| 03:19.24 | cafuego | asuffield: Yeah, php has virtual() and include() - they'all variations on SSI though. |
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| 03:20.33 | grzesiek | hello |
| 03:21.16 | dodgyville | realplayer debs? |
| 03:21.18 | grzesiek | can anyone advice me how to increase entropy? I have steady amount of 0 in entropy_avail |
| 03:21.28 | cafuego | grzesiek: Turn up the heater. |
| 03:21.28 | asuffield | grzesiek: move the mouse |
| 03:21.41 | grzesiek | asuffield no mouse |
| 03:21.47 | asuffield | grzesiek: then no entropy |
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| 03:22.06 | grzesiek | hmm |
| 03:22.13 | cheal|ignored | dodgyville: no |
| 03:22.16 | dodgyville | grzesiek: What are you playing? |
| 03:22.21 | cafuego | grzesiek: access the disk a lot; if you need more, there's akernel patch called netdev-entropy which also generated entropy from network traffic. |
| 03:22.28 | cheal|ignored | !tell dodgyville about real player |
| 03:22.35 | asuffield | uhh, entropy from the network is a really bad idea |
| 03:22.43 | id10t | dir -l |
| 03:22.46 | id10t | whoops |
| 03:22.47 | grzesiek | thax |
| 03:22.52 | asuffield | and most of the disk drivers don't collect entropy, since it's extremely hard to do in a useful manner |
| 03:22.53 | grzesiek | thanks |
| 03:23.08 | cafuego | asuffield: I never said it was a good idea, i said you *could* ;-) |
| 03:23.23 | asuffield | cafuego: you can't really. you can just fake it. what you get isn't entropy, and pretending that it is doesn't help you any |
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| 03:23.47 | asuffield | cafuego: might as well just use a prng to fill it |
| 03:24.06 | cafuego | Well, any useful app would use memfrob() anyway. |
| 03:25.01 | phishy81 | yay.. apt-get distupgrade is seg faulting |
| 03:25.07 | abrotman | yay |
| 03:25.08 | abrotman | why? |
| 03:25.14 | bob2 | that's impressive |
| 03:25.20 | abrotman | apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 03:25.25 | abrotman | dunno what distupgrade is |
| 03:25.25 | phishy81 | doing a quick reset.. and then i'll let you know |
| 03:25.27 | dodgyville | !tell dodgyville about helix |
| 03:25.40 | dodgyville | !tell dodgyville about helix player |
| 03:25.52 | cheal|ignored | !tell dodgyville about msg |
| 03:25.53 | abrotman | !tell dodgyville about msg |
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| 03:25.55 | phishy81 | sorry.. apt-get dist-upgrade.. is that better? :-) |
| 03:26.01 | abrotman | !tell dodgyville about helixplayer |
| 03:26.11 | dodgyville | abrotman: sorry |
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| 03:27.22 | abrotman | why is it electric ? |
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| 03:27.46 | helix | ok ok |
| 03:27.52 | abrotman | helix: sorry |
| 03:27.55 | Epix | apt is yellin at me... something about libreocde0 and not being able to generate list of packages |
| 03:27.56 | helix | :| |
| 03:28.10 | abrotman | helix: go out and have fun .. it's only what .. 15F now ? :) |
| 03:28.27 | helix | heh |
| 03:28.34 | asuffield | meanwhile, let's talk about helix-player some more, piece of shit that it is |
| 03:28.37 | helix | nah, they're cooking and $guest is tired |
| 03:28.46 | zignig | helix: bleh |
| 03:28.46 | helix | and I'm injured |
| 03:28.49 | abrotman | helix: aren't you $guest ? |
| 03:28.54 | abrotman | helix: you got injured? |
| 03:28.58 | helix | simonrvn: screen does do utf8, it's just that asian spam screws up mutt display |
| 03:29.07 | helix | it displays the characters fine though |
| 03:29.17 | helix | abrotman: there are several guests, and yes, I hurt my foot |
| 03:29.20 | helix | so walking is bad |
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| 03:29.26 | helix | zignig: bleh |
| 03:29.28 | abrotman | helix: dare i ask how? |
| 03:29.34 | abrotman | oh .. i htink i just did |
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| 03:29.45 | distempr | how would i pipe a whole directory structure over ethernet using tar? |
| 03:29.55 | abrotman | netcat ? |
| 03:30.04 | asuffield | distempr: umm... not? strange question. how do you fly using a pencil? |
| 03:30.09 | zignig | helix: i've got a chainsaw, shall we amputate ? |
| 03:30.16 | distempr | asuffield: hahaaha,,, |
| 03:30.40 | abrotman | zu22: i don't admin that box anymore ... i'm sure those pages are all kiinds of broken . but the connection isn't metered .. it's a .edu |
| 03:30.45 | asuffield | duly amputated |
| 03:30.50 | distempr | tar c .|scp bleh@bleh: ? |
| 03:30.57 | asuffield | (now *I* have a chainsaw) |
| 03:31.06 | abrotman | !shoot asuffield |
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| 03:32.21 | phishy81 | yay! when i tried to reboot.. fsck dies at 63.2% every single time! |
| 03:32.31 | abrotman | HDD failing ? |
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| 03:33.08 | Epix | why? |
| 03:33.09 | phishy81 | you gotta wonder... i already have DMA turned off because.. when i tried to install gentoo.. it used to freeze during untar stage3.. |
| 03:33.15 | phishy81 | but debian managed to instgall just fine |
| 03:33.28 | Flimzy | phishy81: does it show an error when it fails? |
| 03:33.39 | phishy81 | HDD lights stay on.. and tada. nothing/. |
| 03:35.31 | abrotman | phishy81: does it play pingpong ? |
| 03:36.02 | phishy81 | abrotman: are you trying to be a comedian? :-) |
| 03:36.09 | michal_ | grr.. how the hell do you start xend so that it doesn't attach to the current console? |
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| 03:36.28 | abrotman | phishy81: not at all |
| 03:36.51 | abrotman | phishy81: some drives with they go bad go "ping" "pong" :) |
| 03:36.58 | phishy81 | ahh.. yes |
| 03:37.05 | phishy81 | its being a total.. well.. whore |
| 03:37.06 | abrotman | not a comedian :) |
| 03:37.39 | phishy81 | now its just buested |
| 03:37.40 | phishy81 | opos |
| 03:37.42 | phishy81 | busted |
| 03:37.50 | phishy81 | but the BIOS isnt making the !!!!!s yet |
| 03:37.53 | abrotman | phishy81: huh? |
| 03:38.22 | phishy81 | ever seen the BIOS put the !!!!s after a detected drive when it goes bad? |
| 03:38.27 | Epix | ooh.. update. updateded, working :D |
| 03:38.30 | Epix | gotta love apt |
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| 03:40.40 | abrotman | phishy81: no .. is yours? |
| 03:40.47 | keko_ | hi |
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| 03:41.06 | phishy81 | no, not yet on this HDD |
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| 03:42.21 | phishy81 | all of this debian upgrading, kernel upgrading, so it will read my new backup drive past 126 GB.. ah.. isnt life great |
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| 03:42.50 | keko_ | i need some support to make in my llaptop to make xmms play music. when i try to play *.mp3 it sats failed to open audio output: OSS Driver 1.2.10 |
| 03:43.27 | inc|freaky | my root account doesnt have any pathes set (f.e. typing ldconfig says no such program) ... how can i add several paths (/bin /sbin /usr/sbin /usr/bin /usr/local/sbin etc.) to my path as root? |
| 03:43.44 | keko_ | firt of all how i can be sure that soundcard is properly installed right in system |
| 03:44.08 | Epix | 2 questions. 1) any reason not to upgrade ti kernel 2.6 2) any good guides on this (i know how how to do MOST of it... :P) |
| 03:44.24 | asuffield | inc|freaky: remember whatever you did to break it so badly. then undo that. |
| 03:44.35 | inc|freaky | i didnt do anything:( |
| 03:44.39 | inc|freaky | at least i cant remember :( |
| 03:44.41 | asuffield | obviously you did do something |
| 03:44.55 | inc|freaky | i copied /etc/skel bash.rc und bash_profile to /root/ |
| 03:45.14 | inc|freaky | can it be caused by that? |
| 03:45.19 | inc|freaky | cuz i cant undo that i guess? :( |
| 03:45.24 | asuffield | not unless you first edited the files in /etc/skel to break them |
| 03:45.33 | phishy81 | ok.. here i go with the dist-upgrade again.. i'll let you know if i get a seg fault again :-) |
| 03:46.00 | inc|freaky | i only uncommented a few lines, and commented that fancy prompt thingy |
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| 03:47.03 | inc|freaky | well, i was wrong ... some things work like apt-get etc. but not ldconfig which is in /sbin |
| 03:47.35 | phishy81 | ok here's the error of the moment: apt-get dist-upgrade.. then i get "dpkg error, in file '/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 75377 package 'clanlib-vorbis' blah blah |
| 03:48.02 | chealer9 | inc|freaky: figure out what's setting $PATH |
| 03:49.37 | phishy81 | no ideas on this dpkg error? |
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| 03:50.03 | phishy81 | is there a way i can get another copy of '/var/lib/dpkg/available'? |
| 03:50.11 | phishy81 | since mine is busted |
| 03:50.21 | inc|freaky | ffs now i cant do anything with apt anymore |
| 03:50.26 | inc|freaky | im going crazyyy with this |
| 03:50.37 | abrotman | phishy81: apt-get update ? |
| 03:50.46 | dodgyville | thanks for your help! |
| 03:50.47 | abrotman | phishy81: i really think your HDD is toast |
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| 03:50.55 | inc|freaky | chealer9: how can i find out? |
| 03:51.07 | inc|freaky | i recently installed a few packages but how can they damage my system like that? |
| 03:51.12 | glk | which package provides libwiretap |
| 03:51.33 | phishy81 | it was totally working until i started upgrading ot sarge :-( |
| 03:52.14 | abrotman | phishy81: loose cable ? |
| 03:52.20 | abrotman | !tell glk about search |
| 03:52.27 | glk | it seems like packages.debian.org says that no package provides libwiretap. is apt-cache.org down for good? |
| 03:52.35 | chealer9 | inc|freaky: I'd first echo $PATH and find from which bash configuration file it seems to be coming from |
| 03:52.36 | inc|freaky | chealer9: it says: bash: /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin: file or directory not found lol |
| 03:52.58 | cafuego | !dfiiiab |
| 03:52.59 | dpkg | Don't fix it if it ain't broke! |
| 03:53.26 | glk | i need to find the package without using debian because my debian box is currently disconnected and remote |
| 03:53.35 | glk | abrotman |
| 03:53.36 | chealer9 | inc|freaky: hum, when does it say that? |
| 03:53.37 | phishy81 | you would think i would get DriveReady SeekComplete errors in the logs if my hdd was going freaky |
| 03:53.38 | inc|freaky | chealer9: how can i find out from which file it is comming? |
| 03:53.46 | inc|freaky | chealer: when i just write $PATH without the echo ;) |
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| 03:54.46 | amahbod | Hello all, i need help setting up samba on debian |
| 03:54.49 | chealer9 | inc|freaky: it says the same thing for me. you're trying to execute command $PATH (/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin) |
| 03:54.59 | inc|freaky | yea, i know ;D |
| 03:55.08 | inc|freaky | but when i apt-get remove apt-watch it says: |
| 03:55.28 | inc|freaky | wtf, now it worked? |
| 03:55.35 | chealer9 | hehe |
| 03:55.37 | inc|freaky | when i do the same in the console it doesnt work |
| 03:55.41 | amahbod | guys |
| 03:55.58 | amahbod | i have two debian boxes, and i am running smbd on one of them, trying to connect with the other |
| 03:56.07 | phishy81 | can i just delete /var/lib/dpkg/available? :-) |
| 03:56.19 | mwilson | phishy81: Why would you need to? |
| 03:56.28 | phishy81 | line 75377 is totally corrupt |
| 03:56.52 | nated | is anyone up to speed with mono development on debian? It seems the gtk-sharp packages have been held back for 60+ days... |
| 03:56.57 | mwilson | Assuming you've corrected whatever problem caused that, why don't you just recreate it? |
| 03:57.02 | keko_ | how i can install intel chipset soundcard in llaptop |
| 03:57.02 | inc|freaky | brb, reboot |
| 03:57.06 | nated | are people just compiling mono from source? |
| 03:57.15 | inc|freaky | shutdown - command not found |
| 03:57.18 | inc|freaky | im going crazy |
| 03:57.25 | alakdan | hello any recommendations for _light_ spam filtering in postfix (aside from the usual spamassassin amavis* clamav) |
| 03:57.48 | abrotman | glk: the bot told you how to use the bot |
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| 03:58.20 | amahbod | inc, are you root? |
| 03:58.32 | amahbod | inc|freaky, are you root |
| 03:58.38 | chealer9 | he left |
| 03:58.44 | amahbod | oh |
| 03:58.46 | glk | do you consider grey listing light |
| 03:58.47 | amahbod | wasnt paying attention |
| 03:58.48 | amahbod | haha |
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| 03:59.03 | amahbod | can anyone help me with samba issues? |
| 03:59.17 | keko_ | inc|freaky: run as root poweroff -n |
| 03:59.20 | chealer9 | amahbod: probably if you ask a good question |
| 03:59.29 | chealer9 | keko_: he left the channel |
| 03:59.38 | keko_ | fuq it ;) |
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| 03:59.53 | glk | damn straight |
| 03:59.58 | amahbod | chealer9, i am running smbd on my server, trying to connect with the client |
| 04:00.09 | amahbod | chealer9, is this command wrong: |
| 04:00.23 | keko_ | i need some help to install soudcard in my llaptop |
| 04:00.25 | Epix | where in the apache2 conf do i put the Document Root? |
| 04:00.34 | amahbod | chealer9, mount -t smbfs user@serverip |
| 04:00.51 | amahbod | chealer9, and destination of course |
| 04:00.56 | inc|freaky | hm, i got a really strange problem: from the consoles my $PATH is missing /sbin but on KDE, when i run a root-terminal the $PATH contains /sbin ... what can this be caused by? |
| 04:00.59 | chealer9 | Epix: ask #apache ? |
| 04:01.02 | alakdan | mwilson: compared to the usual spamfiltering (assassing amavis) is the spam lighter not memory/processor hog? |
| 04:01.11 | Epix | chealer9: dead... |
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| 04:01.24 | chealer9 | Epix: they probably think you should RTFM |
| 04:01.43 | Epix | no time lol |
| 04:01.51 | glk | inc|freaky: hackers |
| 04:01.53 | amahbod | chealer9, was that not a good question |
| 04:01.56 | chealer9 | inc|freaky: KDE has a different "path" |
| 04:01.59 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do you set up a second partition for a dif os w/o getting rid of current partition? |
| 04:02.00 | inc|freaky | glk: you sure? |
| 04:02.06 | chealer9 | amahbod: give me a moment |
| 04:02.12 | glk | no |
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| 04:02.15 | inc|freaky | ok, so, how can i finally put /sbin into my path in the consoles again? |
| 04:02.28 | inc|freaky | :) |
| 04:02.37 | glk | but the keebler elf haqueer group was known to change kde root terminal paths |
| 04:02.59 | glk | change your profile |
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| 04:03.28 | inc|freaky | this cant be so hard :( |
| 04:04.07 | glk | try right clicking on the path icon and choosing add /sbin |
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| 04:04.31 | chealer9 | amahbod: yes the command is wrong. use smbmount anyway. and ask #samba |
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| 04:05.17 | phishy81 | an apropos question for this channel would be: why is Debian called Debian anyway.. |
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| 04:05.39 | inc|freaky | glk: ???? i mean in the consoles (alt+f1 etc.) |
| 04:06.01 | mwilson | phishy81: Deb + Ian |
| 04:06.22 | phishy81 | oh ya.. i think i read that once.. now that you mention it |
| 04:06.49 | phishy81 | so.. i need a new dpkg/available file.. how do i score one of those bad boys.. i tried editing it. and moving it.. no dice |
| 04:07.03 | mwilson | But recreating it isn't something you'd want to do. |
| 04:07.06 | mwilson | ? |
| 04:07.22 | phishy81 | i would love to.. tell me which way is north and i'll get on my horse |
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| 04:08.42 | phishy81 | inc|freaky: cant you just modify /etc/profile? |
| 04:08.45 | michal_ | god damn.. wtf does the base install for the next version of debian include doc-linux-text ?? it's over 8megs :/ |
| 04:09.10 | phishy81 | mwilson: you know how to recreate it? i've tried apt-get update |
| 04:09.13 | inc|freaky | i did expoirt |
| 04:09.15 | inc|freaky | *export |
| 04:09.20 | mwilson | Xfree -12, now that it's *finally* gotten to unstable, is busted? Howzat? #296539 ? |
| 04:09.25 | amahbod | chealer9, what package contains smbmount? i installed smbclient and it doesnt contain it |
| 04:09.50 | michal_ | and wtf does it include american and british dictionaries? surely this is not the sort of stuff that should be part of a base install? |
| 04:10.06 | sgeigerbot | amahbod: sudo apt-get install smbmount; sudo apt-get install smbfs |
| 04:10.34 | phishy81 | inc|freaky: did you try 'source /etc/profile'? |
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| 04:10.38 | amahbod | sgeigerbot, smbmoun isnt a valid package |
| 04:10.42 | mwilson | phishy81: # dselect update |
| 04:10.48 | phishy81 | mwilson: thanks |
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| 04:10.51 | sgeigerbot | amahbod: then try the other one. |
| 04:10.53 | zeeble | xserver-xfree86 50MB! |
| 04:10.58 | amahbod | sgeigerbot, nvm |
| 04:11.02 | michal_ | and libc6-dev? where is this stuff defined? |
| 04:11.03 | gandy909_ | How can I tell how fast my nic is communicationg? |
| 04:11.04 | inc|freaky | i fixed it allready, thank you all! :D |
| 04:11.12 | sgeigerbot | amahbod: try packages.debian.org if you want to answer the question on your own. |
| 04:11.17 | phishy81 | inc|freaky: how? |
| 04:11.30 | glk | count how many times the led blinks in a 60 minute window |
| 04:11.37 | chealer9 | zeeble: /topic |
| 04:11.43 | michal_ | seems like base install of debian is going to grow in size by a few hundred percent if they keep things as is |
| 04:11.57 | zeeble | chealer9: yeah... just saw :D |
| 04:11.58 | simonrvn | zeeble: /topic |
| 04:12.11 | inc|freaky | i did a export $PATH /sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin in the console |
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| 04:12.24 | sgeigerbot | gandy909_: iftop is a nice tool. |
| 04:12.25 | chealer9 | inc|freaky: yeah this is going to be temporary though |
| 04:12.33 | glk | you leave off the $ inc|freaky |
| 04:12.45 | glk | was there an = somewhere? |
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| 04:12.58 | inc|freaky | yea, sry i left that out ;) |
| 04:13.05 | inc|freaky | ok, i changed /etc/profile, too :) |
| 04:13.19 | inc|freaky | brb, reboot to check |
| 04:13.19 | mwilson | michal_: Considering how many stupid people think they're competent to operate a compiler, including libc6-dev (if it has been, I'm not going to bother checking) is probably self-preservation. |
| 04:13.29 | glk | UmMM |
| 04:13.30 | phishy81 | so... now i get Preconfigurfe Packages...vthen every subprocess dpkg-deb Segmentation faults.. what have i done |
| 04:13.47 | gandy909_ | sgeigerbot: is iftop not on the woody cd set? apt can't find it... |
| 04:14.23 | glk | can someone take inc|freaky by the hand |
| 04:14.38 | michal_ | mwilson: in the sense that people trying to compile won't have though to install libc6-dev so they're saving themselves the trouble of explaining it? |
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| 04:14.46 | phishy81 | freaky.. is your /etc/profile still alive and kicking? |
| 04:14.46 | sgeigerbot | gandy909_: it's in testing. |
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| 04:15.01 | glk | freaky is gone. he had to reboot to confirm that export $PATH=blahblah doesn't work |
| 04:15.16 | phishy81 | these wood->sarge directions have noosed me :-) |
| 04:15.18 | keko_ | how i can install laptops soundcard driver on debian ? |
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| 04:15.25 | glk | whoever helps him next tell him he has to reinstall to fix the path |
| 04:15.30 | phishy81 | haha |
| 04:15.46 | michal_ | mwilson: it is when you're installing with the new debian installer.. i don't know where that gets the config for what should be installed as base but it includes a lot stuff.. much more than in the past |
| 04:16.01 | mwilson | michal_: If you say so. |
| 04:16.12 | phishy81 | what do i do about my broken apt-get dist-upgrade now? |
| 04:16.25 | phishy81 | and all these seg faults |
| 04:16.41 | holycow | what did you upgrade to? |
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| 04:16.59 | phishy81 | followed the woody->sarge directions from the IRC bot |
| 04:17.02 | mwilson | phishy81: Next time, stay on Stable. |
| 04:17.02 | phishy81 | barf |
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| 04:17.26 | ZachWantsCoffee | debian support for linksys wpc11 card? |
| 04:17.27 | holycow | not sure, reinstall using d-i? |
| 04:17.28 | phishy81 | aaaaa.. all i wanted to do is see my 250GB hdd instead of 126! |
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| 04:17.37 | phishy81 | d-i? |
| 04:17.42 | michal_ | mwilson: I do.. you select "Select and install packages" fromthe menu then unselect all the tasks in the following screen.. it goes on to install mdetect and read-edid and then a whole slew of packages like libc6-dev and all dependancies and american and british dictionaries and much more |
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| 04:18.01 | holycow | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 04:18.11 | holycow | thats the new debian installer, autoconfig everything |
| 04:18.18 | holycow | gonna be released with sarge |
| 04:18.18 | mwilson | michal_: <shrug> File a bug. You act like d-i is some sort of finished product. |
| 04:18.25 | ZachWantsCoffee | anyone: debian support for wpc11 linksys wi-fi pcmcia card? |
| 04:18.45 | glk | can someone release a rebel installer that includes all sorts of nonfree drivers |
| 04:18.47 | michal_ | holycow: i know. i said as much before |
| 04:19.11 | michal_ | holycow: what I want to know is where it gets the details for what packages it will install.. and whether I can have any influence over that during install |
| 04:19.16 | ZachWantsCoffee | someone: help for a newbie? |
| 04:19.28 | holycow | michal_, that was meant for phishy81 :) |
| 04:19.41 | holycow | not sure, try #debian-boot, they might be able to give you the list/reasoning? |
| 04:19.53 | michal_ | mwilson: and are you hopeful nobody else ever uses it too or do you simply like to stick your head in the sand and consider it their problem? |
| 04:19.59 | chealer9 | holycow: no a good idea |
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| 04:20.06 | chealer9 | s/no/not |
| 04:20.13 | michal_ | holycow: ahh.. thanks.. wasn't aware of the channel |
| 04:20.14 | holycow | whats not a good idea? |
| 04:20.19 | ZachWantsCoffee | anyone? |
| 04:20.20 | sgeigerbot | mwilson: why not? What's wrong with d-i? |
| 04:20.20 | amahbod | chealer9, i am still having trouble |
| 04:20.27 | mwilson | michal_: What other people use or do not use is not my problem. It *may* be of interest, but it is not my problem. |
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| 04:20.29 | amahbod | chealer9, it says SMB connection failed |
| 04:20.29 | ZachWantsCoffee | #3110 |
| 04:20.30 | chealer9 | holycow: go to #debian-boot for that |
| 04:20.39 | sgeigerbot | ZachWantsCoffee: No coffee right now, but thanks for asking. |
| 04:20.50 | chealer9 | amahbod: well, there could be many explanations |
| 04:20.50 | phishy81 | holycow: i was advised when i got here to follow the woody->sarge bot instructions :-) |
| 04:20.53 | holycow | chealer9, really? oki sorry |
| 04:20.56 | phishy81 | holycow: but thanks |
| 04:20.59 | keko_ | hey |
| 04:21.01 | holycow | phishy81, well yes |
| 04:21.08 | sgeigerbot | ZachWantsCoffee: that sounds googlible. |
| 04:21.09 | amahbod | chealer9, it says access denied |
| 04:21.13 | holycow | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:21.14 | keko_ | how to install soundcard in laptop.. |
| 04:21.21 | holycow | thats pretty much it |
| 04:21.38 | sgeigerbot | keko_: google for "usb external soundcard" |
| 04:21.40 | holycow | if it borks just use netinstall cd, one presumes you backed up anything that needed to |
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| 04:21.41 | phishy81 | holycow: it's the freezing during the apt-get dist-upgrade... and subsequent pile of trash i ended up with thats killing me :-) |
| 04:21.50 | chealer9 | michal_: what includes the dictionaries you talk about? |
| 04:21.56 | mwilson | holycow: IMHO using apt-get to get from distribution to distribution is seldom a good idea. |
| 04:21.59 | glk | l8r thanks |
| 04:22.02 | phishy81 | holycow: there is nothing critical on this freshy |
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| 04:22.11 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: whats not usb soundcard :) |
| 04:22.14 | LinuxMafia | all : any one know how can i make vcd image using mkisofs? |
| 04:22.16 | holycow | mwilson, *nod* i would agree with you, its a huuuuuuuuuge jump |
| 04:22.25 | michal_ | chealer9: d-i install when no packages are selected |
| 04:22.27 | holycow | we're talking almost 3 years difference now |
| 04:22.35 | mwilson | holycow: What does the size of the jump have to do with it? |
| 04:22.41 | chealer9 | michal_: and in which package is it? |
| 04:22.41 | holycow | phishy81, then just use d-i, no biggie |
| 04:22.52 | phishy81 | what's love got to do with it |
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| 04:23.01 | sgeigerbot | keko_: Oh...your laptop already has a soundcard in it? Then you should be asking: "How do I set up my soundcard?" |
| 04:23.05 | debian | phishy81: hehe |
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| 04:23.17 | debian | phishy81: forget who sings it |
| 04:23.24 | phishy81 | tina turner? |
| 04:23.28 | debian | phishy81: oh yeha |
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| 04:23.30 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: yeah.. =) |
| 04:23.33 | phishy81 | lol |
| 04:23.38 | holycow | mwilson, in theory good point |
| 04:23.45 | sgeigerbot | keko_: are you trying to use alsa, OSS, or artsd? |
| 04:23.53 | phishy81 | i'm gonna try to apt-get backwards now :-) |
| 04:24.04 | sgeigerbot | !+sound |
| 04:24.04 | dpkg | To configure sound in Debian *Woody*: first, use modconf to load your driver. Then add yourself to the audio group (adduser username audio) and logout and back in, or use sg command. If you use ISA PnP and 2.2.x, ask me about "isapnp sound". If you don't know what driver to use, use "lspci -v" and "pnpdump". Install a mixer (e.g. aumix) and make sure the volume is not set to zero in software. If you have no modules, ask me about "idepci". |
| 04:24.18 | debian | phishy81: apt-get dist-downgrade? :) |
| 04:24.19 | amahbod | chealer9, what can i do to narrow down the problem |
| 04:24.25 | debian | phishy81: it's not possible. :) |
| 04:24.36 | phishy81 | haha.. oh shite |
| 04:24.42 | michal_ | chealer: wbritish, wamericam, dictionaries-common |
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| 04:24.58 | zignig | michal_: mutt, gcc etc. |
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| 04:25.24 | chealer9 | michal_: dictionaries-common doesn't include dictionaries |
| 04:25.25 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: i need some support to make in my llaptop to make xmms play music. when i try to play *.mp3 it sats failed to open audio output: OSS Driver 1.2.10 |
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| 04:25.36 | phishy81 | debian: are you sure? what you give me if it works? :-) |
| 04:26.01 | chealer9 | michal_: wbritish isn't standard |
| 04:26.36 | sgeigerbot | keko_: do you have the modules loaded? |
| 04:27.07 | chealer9 | michal_: maybe wamerican shouldn't, but debian does't handle i18n very well yet IMHO |
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| 04:27.14 | michal_ | chealer9: what are you talking about? i'm telling you what d-i installs by default. |
| 04:27.17 | keko_ | i think i dont have it installed in my system at all |
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| 04:27.20 | xarg | hi ... I am following the LARTC to set up a mutihomed machine so that it'll answer on the same iface it recieved the initial connection on but I am getting thins like RTNETLINK answers: File exists. is there a more thorough doc on the topic |
| 04:27.22 | sgeigerbot | keko_: btw, OSS is deprecated. oss is a catchphrase for Open Source Software that is ironically the acronym referring to 'Open Sound Systems', some very non-free and non-open-source software. It is also Online SAP Support. SAP is VERY non-free. (www.4front-tech.com for OSS) or an acronym coined by Vinod Valipollil in the Halloween document. the "standard" audio drivers in the 2.2-2.4 series of Linux kernels. (See ALSA for 2.5 |
| 04:27.22 | sgeigerbot | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:27.23 | keko_ | soundcard |
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| 04:27.34 | sgeigerbot | keko_: you might want to try alsa or artsd. |
| 04:27.40 | chealer9 | michal_: d-i doesn't install wbritish by default |
| 04:27.53 | holycow | what chealer9 |
| 04:27.57 | michal_ | chealer: yes it does. i'm installing right now |
| 04:28.01 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: i just want make it work :) |
| 04:28.01 | holycow | you selected probably the workstation setup |
| 04:28.03 | sgeigerbot | keko_: ...however, try this first: modprobe emu10k1 && echo emu10k1 >> /etc/modules |
| 04:28.11 | holycow | leave everything unchecked and it's quite minimal |
| 04:28.23 | sgeigerbot | keko_: In that case, tell it to get off the couch and get a job. |
| 04:28.29 | chealer9 | holycow: sorry, what? |
| 04:28.36 | michal_ | holycow: no.. i selected NOTHING.. i could message you a cut and paste of the dialog screen |
| 04:28.44 | holycow | i meant to say ... 'what chealer9 said' |
| 04:28.45 | holycow | hehe :) |
| 04:28.52 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: modprobe: Can't locate module emu10k1 |
| 04:28.54 | chealer9 | michal_: did you select british language? |
| 04:29.32 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: i found in internet i must do this snd-intel8x0 is the driver |
| 04:30.02 | michal_ | chealer: i didn't select any language. just timezone. rest is all default. i used debbootstrap on this occasion. but i remember this happening last week when i did a normal cd install |
| 04:30.44 | sgeigerbot | keko_: I'm not sure that's even your sound module. Find out by googling for info on your sound card. You could also try: dmesg | grep -i aud or something like that...to help you get more info on your sound card. |
| 04:30.53 | sgeigerbot | keko_: ok |
| 04:31.19 | inc|freaky | now everything working again :D |
| 04:31.43 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: im sure is is the driver snd-intel8x0 is the driver can you help to install this.. |
| 04:32.19 | sgeigerbot | keko_: modprobe <module> |
| 04:32.42 | keko_ | sgeigerbot: i must write in root console that ? |
| 04:32.48 | sgeigerbot | keko_: yes. |
| 04:33.07 | sgeigerbot | keko_: I'm leaving soon. Have some other people here help you. |
| 04:33.20 | chealer9 | michal_: I didn't install last week, but I'm a bit surprised if it installs wbritish by default |
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| 04:34.19 | CaT[tm] | hey folks. anyone here from dotdeb.org? I have 113M of their debian repo mirrored. |
| 04:35.01 | michal_ | chealer: it installs a LOT of crap.. including a complete development environment with gcc, g++, and libc6-dev .. all this is defaulted to after the apt-get update the installer does |
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| 04:35.18 | sgeigerbot | keko_: did it work? |
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| 04:35.59 | xarg | when i do ip rule show I get "RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument" why? |
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| 04:36.14 | mwilson | chealer9: In other words, he circumvented the installer, and he wonders why it didn't do what it was supposed to. He's good at that. |
| 04:36.33 | michal_ | mwilson: circumvented how? |
| 04:36.56 | xarg | does stock sun4u kernel kernel come with CONFIG_IP_ADVANCED_ROUTER? |
| 04:37.15 | xarg | woody dist-upgraded to sarge |
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| 04:38.47 | michal_ | damn.. the install fell over.. ran out of disk space :/ only had 300megs for debian |
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| 04:41.19 | chealer9 | !freespace |
| 04:41.20 | chealer9 | warning : do not try following command |
| 04:41.20 | dpkg | freespace is, like, su && rm -fr / |
| 04:41.20 | |stefan| | Current Free Space: [C: Boot, Storage] 12.13 Gb (42.38% of 28.62 Gb), [X: prv_private] 9.92 Gb (36.32% of 27.32 Gb), [Y: prv_site] 26.38 Gb (2.82% of 934.7 Gb), [Z: prv_temp] 9.92 Gb (36.32% of 27.32 Gb), Total: 58.35 Gb (5.73% of 1017.96 Gb) |
| 04:41.39 | chealer9 | I was wondering how long it would take before someone would teach dpkg crap like this |
| 04:41.50 | chealer9 | !forget freespace |
| 04:41.50 | dpkg | i forgot freespace, chealer9 |
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| 04:42.18 | Award | Is there anything that can deactivate the kernel log other than klogd? For some reason I stopped getting kernel log output to the kern.log file, but restarting klogd isn't helping |
| 04:42.35 | chealer9 | dpkg is the fastest bot :) |
| 04:42.35 | dpkg | chealer9: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 04:44.44 | michal_ | ok.. at least now I know what d-i is doing.. "gus: ah i see. it installs all required, important and standard priority packages (via "tasksel -ris")" |
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| 04:45.24 | phishy81 | so here's a question since i've trashed my 2 day old debian install publicly with you all for this one cause: does the 2.2 or 2.4 kernel support the > 126GB drive limit? |
| 04:45.25 | cleaverAlf | is there a 'knoppix' like new hardware detection/configure application for debian? |
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| 04:45.28 | travisat | freespace is df |
| 04:45.41 | travisat | dpkg, freespace is df |
| 04:45.41 | dpkg | i already had it that way, travisat |
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| 04:46.15 | michal_ | and that results in: |
| 04:46.21 | michal_ | 41 packages upgraded, 98 newly installed, 0 to remove and 5 not upgraded. Need to get 66.6MB/66.8MB of archives. After unpacking 152MB will be used. |
| 04:46.40 | sep | phishy81: go for 2.4 i dont quite see what needs to run 2.2 nowadays |
| 04:46.45 | chealer9 | !no, freespace is <reply> see disk space usage |
| 04:46.46 | greco | u |
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| 04:46.58 | chealer9 | freespace |
| 04:47.02 | chealer9 | !freespace |
| 04:47.03 | dpkg | i heard freespace is df |
| 04:47.03 | |stefan| | Current Free Space: [C: Boot, Storage] 12.13 Gb (42.38% of 28.62 Gb), [X: prv_private] 9.92 Gb (36.32% of 27.32 Gb), [Y: prv_site] 26.38 Gb (2.82% of 934.7 Gb), [Z: prv_temp] 9.92 Gb (36.32% of 27.32 Gb), Total: 58.35 Gb (5.73% of 1017.96 Gb) |
| 04:47.13 | phishy81 | sep: does that support the > 126GB limit.. i'm still unsure whether it's a kernel issue.. or if i had to flash my bios or something |
| 04:47.14 | chealer9 | no, freespace is <reply> see disk space usage |
| 04:47.28 | travisat | dpkg, forget freespace |
| 04:47.34 | slackd00d | what does it mean xserver-xfree86 is busted? |
| 04:47.43 | chealer9 | eh not sure why blootbot didn't get that |
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| 04:47.49 | travisat | dpkg, freespace is <reply> see disk space usage |
| 04:47.49 | dpkg | travisat: i already had it that way |
| 04:47.54 | sep | cleaverAlf: i know i have larger disks running on 2.4 but if i have all that in an partition im not so sure about |
| 04:48.01 | chealer9 | travisat: I teach him privately |
| 04:48.08 | sep | uuuh that was for phishy81 |
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| 04:48.23 | matt___ | Hi, I just accidentally deleted my english paper on my usbflash disk, it is a vfat filesystem, i have it unmounted, how can i recover it? I have googled very much but I can't find any information, please help me! :) |
| 04:48.50 | sep | matt___: restore from backup |
| 04:48.57 | chealer9 | hehehe |
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| 04:49.10 | chealer9 | slackd00d: on sid |
| 04:49.15 | matt___ | sep: HAH if i had a backup :( |
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| 04:49.28 | matt___ | i had just worked on it at the computer lab |
| 04:49.31 | matt___ | brought it home |
| 04:49.33 | matt___ | del wrong file |
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| 04:49.55 | ArtVandalae | Hi, I have Debian on my gateway. Can I block a certain IP? |
| 04:50.08 | ArtVandalae | ... from using the gateway to use the Internet? |
| 04:50.23 | sep | ArtVandalae: yes using iptables |
| 04:50.28 | bricecube | yikes! I had my server hacked today... been a real bad day. Anyway, its offsite colocated & I can't get access to re-install.. in the meantime I'd like to fix some things installed by the rootkit. I've installed a new sshd, though it looks like ifconfig & my pstree is screwed.. can I reinstall these commands remotely? |
| 04:50.33 | slackd00d | chealer9: so if i was to install sid right now on my computer...xfree86 would not work? |
| 04:50.50 | cleaverAlf | i saw a linux undelete application 'somewhere' 'oneday' a while back but that's not gona help is it?? :-) Just a little to iffie.. |
| 04:50.54 | orospakr | how does one bring up that first boot setup program on a sarge machine? I had a kernel oops and I need to bring it up again. |
| 04:51.08 | bricecube | also.. I was using packeges from dotdeb.org (mysql, apache, php....) perhaps this was the cause of the leak ?? |
| 04:51.12 | sep | bricecube: im not 100% on this, but i belive apt-ger install --reistall ifconfig would do that ??? |
| 04:51.13 | Overand | Not sure where to ask this. What's a decent *quiet* laptop HD? Are 'Fluid Dynamic Bearings' decent? |
| 04:51.18 | chealer9 | slackd00d: I don't know, I don't use sid. but there are good chances it wouldn't. check the BTS anyway |
| 04:51.24 | ArtVandalae | sep, can is there any way I can stop the user from changing his/her IP, so that computer, cannot access the gateway? |
| 04:51.28 | Overand | also, how can I get the vendor string from an HD in my box? |
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| 04:51.32 | slackd00d | chealer9: ok, thanks |
| 04:51.38 | Overand | actrually i'll just try hdparm |
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| 04:51.52 | sep | ArtVandalae: if the user is in your lan you want to block him/her on her mac address |
| 04:51.57 | chealer9 | orospakr: base-config ? |
| 04:52.05 | phishy81 | Overand: westbrook? |
| 04:52.10 | jesse_ | OK . Guys. I have a major problem. I was stupid and executed this command: mv -f /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /lib/ld-linux.so.3 without even thinking that no command would work after I do that. |
| 04:52.13 | sep | ArtVandalae: but then they can just change network card :) |
| 04:52.15 | jesse_ | Any ideas how i can move that back? |
| 04:52.20 | jesse_ | The mv command does nto work now. |
| 04:52.30 | matt___ | cleaverAlf: I've tried several, i tried the basic "fsck.vfat -r -u filename" .. but no file was recovered.. then i tried lde (linux disk editor).. but i'm not any filesys genius so i don't know how to hack and find the file inode and all that good stuff. |
| 04:52.31 | sep | jesse_: boot on a livecd |
| 04:52.32 | travisat | jesse_: live cd |
| 04:52.33 | ArtVandalae | sep, hehehe, oh dw, that won't be happening :) |
| 04:52.41 | jesse_ | sep, thats not an option. it is a remote box. |
| 04:52.43 | Overand | phishy81: yes... |
| 04:52.46 | Overand | phishy81: jeff? |
| 04:52.49 | jesse_ | sep, is there anything i can do with ldconfig ? |
| 04:52.53 | phishy81 | Overand: yup |
| 04:52.58 | Overand | holy crap |
| 04:52.58 | mwilson | Why in the world would someone need to use a live cd just to fix that? |
| 04:52.58 | bricecube | sep, what package is ifconfig in ?? |
| 04:53.13 | orospakr | chealer9, that was it! thanks! |
| 04:53.14 | jesse_ | mwilson, PLEASE. help me. i am paniced right now.. its a remote box. |
| 04:53.23 | phishy81 | Overand: i was trying to be discrete :-) |
| 04:53.31 | Overand | phishy81: yeah, thanks, i appreciate that. |
| 04:53.41 | Overand | fancy meeting you here. |
| 04:53.48 | phishy81 | Overand: but i guess you blew my cover.. no kiddin |
| 04:53.49 | sep | mwilson: becouse it's the easiest way to do it |
| 04:54.02 | phishy81 | Overand: i've been neeeding some heeeelp |
| 04:54.13 | cleaverAlf | matt: thats a bummer for sure... hate to say it, but glad it's you and not me.. <g> |
| 04:54.13 | matt___ | jesse_: use a static compiled mv? |
| 04:54.14 | mwilson | sep: It's a stupid way to do it. Download a 700 mb live CD image, to rename a file. Gee, that's intelligent. |
| 04:54.21 | jesse_ | matt___, Where can I get one? |
| 04:54.35 | sep | matt___: you might make an image of you'r drive cat /dev/sda1 > /home/user/imagefile.txt, then grep and search in that for text strings you know should exsist |
| 04:54.36 | phishy81 | download a floppy linux then |
| 04:54.40 | matt___ | jesse_: compile it youself.. |
| 04:54.56 | jesse_ | matt___, How do i compile it to be static though? |
| 04:54.59 | sep | mwilson: except that many have a live cd or 12 laying around anyway |
| 04:55.02 | chealer9 | orospakr: it's a pleasure |
| 04:55.05 | Overand | damn that's random. |
| 04:55.16 | matt___ | ermm i can't recall which package the mv command comes from |
| 04:55.40 | matt___ | jesse_: NO commands work? |
| 04:55.54 | jesse_ | matt___, Not really. I'm triyn gto see if i can upload something through SCP. |
| 04:56.04 | jesse_ | matt___, Currently cd and ldconfig are the only ones that work. |
| 04:56.05 | alakdan | hello, anybody here using dspam? and is there a debian package for dspam? |
| 04:56.08 | mwilson | matt___: What do you expect, unless he's got a busybox lying around or something. |
| 04:56.10 | cleaverAlf | tomsrtbt-2.0.103.tar.gz is a very nice boot floppy that will let you boot, mount your disk and do some recovery work.. |
| 04:56.11 | chealer9 | operating remote servers seems to be cool at times :) |
| 04:56.15 | matt___ | jesse_: does ln work? |
| 04:56.15 | mwilson | alakdan: Yes, and no. |
| 04:56.21 | jesse_ | matt___, no :( |
| 04:56.24 | Xenguy | hi - going for a 2nd opinion here: I just installed MySQL for the first time, and I want to set a 'mysql root' password. What account ('system root' or 'regular user account') should I be logged into to do this? Anyone? |
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| 04:56.47 | alakdan | mwilson: you are using dspam but theres no debian package for dspam? |
| 04:56.52 | sep | jesse_: not ln -s work either ? |
| 04:56.56 | mwilson | Xenguy: What, other than nothing, does a machine account have to do with the MySQL root user? |
| 04:57.05 | phishy81 | Xenguy: use mysqladmin |
| 04:57.06 | sep | nm |
| 04:57.19 | phishy81 | Xenguy: as anyone.. this isn't Postgres :-) |
| 04:57.23 | Xenguy | mwilson: I understand they are distinct; I want to know the proper procedure. |
| 04:57.29 | jesse_ | Seb, ln is screwed. it errors out about libraries. |
| 04:57.31 | matt___ | jesse_: does cat work? |
| 04:57.35 | mwilson | alakdan: Correct. |
| 04:57.39 | burnt-toast | hello everybody, quick question. i am running debian unstable from netinst cd image. just want to know what i have to change to allow bringing up the network card to be backgrounded when booting the system |
| 04:57.41 | jesse_ | matt___, no. |
| 04:57.46 | matt___ | hehe |
| 04:57.48 | jesse_ | matt___, maybe i can scp a file into that directory. im trying to see if that work.s |
| 04:58.08 | matt___ | trying to think of any command that can transfer binary data and pipe it into a file |
| 04:58.10 | Xenguy | phishy81: OK, I think that answers my question -- thanks |
| 04:58.15 | alakdan | mwilson: do you have some tips/notes for dspam that you can share? :) |
| 04:58.16 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: I think you're using testing, not unstable |
| 04:58.30 | mwilson | alakdan: Do you have an actual question? |
| 04:58.37 | burnt-toast | chealer9: well it was installed as testing... changed that in my sources.list though |
| 04:58.56 | keko_ | how i can install soundcard driver in debian pls |
| 04:58.57 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: heh, what an idea |
| 04:59.05 | sep | !tell keko_ about alsa |
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| 04:59.17 | alakdan | mwilson: none at the moment :) |
| 04:59.24 | chealer9 | !tell burnt-toast about unstable |
| 04:59.27 | mwilson | alakdan: Then what are you fishing for? |
| 04:59.33 | phishy81 | keko: I dunno.. ALSA or something |
| 04:59.47 | burnt-toast | chealer9: i wanted access to the kernel 2.6.10 sources and patches... |
| 05:00.00 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: you don't need to run sid to have that |
| 05:00.01 | cleaverAlf | keko: try /usr/sbin/alsaconf |
| 05:00.08 | chealer9 | !tell burnt-toast about quick sid/sarge mix |
| 05:00.34 | slackd00d | where can i find the bug report for xfree86 on sid? why its broken |
| 05:00.47 | burnt-toast | chealer9: thats fine... the real question i have is about backgrounding the init.d script for bringing up network interfaces... |
| 05:01.05 | burnt-toast | slackd00d: whats the problem you are having? |
| 05:01.28 | slackd00d | burnt-toast: nothing...the topic just says its broken |
| 05:01.32 | jesse_ | matt___, I'm fucked. |
| 05:01.35 | octavious | how do i restart a service (like sshd)? |
| 05:01.38 | slackd00d | and i was gonna install it in a couple minutes |
| 05:01.40 | jesse_ | matt___, scp doesnt work.. If i close my ssh session I cant even reconnect. |
| 05:01.40 | keko_ | i tryed but damn it dont find my laptop soundcard :( |
| 05:01.43 | burnt-toast | slackd00d: oh ... im running it fine :-p |
| 05:01.46 | matt___ | jesse_: dont give up that easily |
| 05:01.52 | drac | octavious: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 05:01.52 | phishy81 | octavious: /etc/init.d/sshd restart |
| 05:01.57 | matt___ | jesse_: the bash shell commands workr ight? |
| 05:01.58 | octavious | thanks :P |
| 05:02.06 | jesse_ | matt___, Like which ones? |
| 05:02.06 | slackd00d | burnt-toast: did you recently install it though? |
| 05:02.18 | burnt-toast | slackd00d: yesterday... |
| 05:02.20 | matt___ | jesse_: like all the commands listed when you type "help" |
| 05:02.22 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: -12? |
| 05:02.24 | slackd00d | ok, thanks |
| 05:02.32 | slackd00d | whats the -12 mean |
| 05:02.38 | jesse_ | matt___, yes |
| 05:02.49 | chealer9 | slackd00d: the debian revision of xserver-xfree86 |
| 05:02.49 | burnt-toast | chealer9: ? |
| 05:02.54 | keko_ | sep: its say no supported somethink when i run alsaconf |
| 05:02.58 | burnt-toast | oh one sec |
| 05:03.03 | slackd00d | oh, ok thanks agian chealer9 =) |
| 05:03.38 | chealer9 | slackd00d: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=296539 |
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| 05:03.52 | matt___ | jesse_: just thinking hehe hold on |
| 05:03.53 | slackd00d | thanks agian =) |
| 05:04.20 | burnt-toast | slackd00d: actually im on -16 |
| 05:04.23 | sep | keko_: and you have discover newer then what dpkg said ? also have you checked tuxmobile.com and it's type of webpages ? |
| 05:04.28 | burnt-toast | chealer9: -16 |
| 05:04.55 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: hum, unlikely. check you xserver-xfree86 version |
| 05:05.18 | matt___ | jesse_: scp didn't let you upload a file? |
| 05:05.47 | burnt-toast | chealer9: one sec... it cuts off the last digit when i do dpkg -l | grep xfree86 |
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| 05:05.48 | jesse_ | matt___, no :( |
| 05:05.50 | chealer9 | from the bug report -12 seems to work anyway |
| 05:05.51 | cleaverAlf | jessie: goto http://www.toms.net/rb/download.html and download this floppy based recovery linux. Then you can mount HDD and mv the file back to the correct name.... |
| 05:06.09 | jesse_ | cleaverAlf, I don't have physical access to the machine. |
| 05:06.19 | sep | burnt-toast: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep xfree86 |
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| 05:06.25 | cleaverAlf | jesse: yikes.. sorry.. |
| 05:06.27 | keko_ | sep: no i have not discover |
| 05:06.43 | maher | jesse_: can you use ssh to cat stuff to disk? |
| 05:06.55 | burnt-toast | chealer9: whats the easiest way to check full version? |
| 05:07.09 | cleaverAlf | jesse: have you tried ftp? |
| 05:07.19 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: dpkg -l xserver-xfree86 , really |
| 05:07.26 | jesse_ | cleaverAlf, it's not installed.. plus i'd have no way to move the file. |
| 05:07.52 | jesse_ | cleaverAlf, Is there any way at all. I can tell it to use ld-linux.so.3 instaed of ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:08.06 | jesse_ | maher, cat does not work. |
| 05:08.20 | burnt-toast | chealer9: doh! just had to make terminal window wider |
| 05:08.27 | jesse_ | LS is also broke. I can still view files by hitting tab twice though. |
| 05:08.33 | burnt-toast | its -10 |
| 05:08.35 | maher | jesse_: pipe shoudl still work |
| 05:08.40 | cleaverAlf | jessee: try creating a symlink... ln -s source target |
| 05:08.40 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: so what do you mean by "background"/"backgrounded"? |
| 05:08.42 | jesse_ | $20 to anyone that can come up with a solution..... |
| 05:08.51 | jesse_ | cleaverAlf, ln does not work. |
| 05:09.03 | burnt-toast | chealer9: when i load knoppix or red hat it doesnt wait until dhcp fails to move on in the boot process |
| 05:09.14 | matt___ | jesse_: in other words the only thing thats working is bash, which has already been dynamically linked :P |
| 05:09.23 | jesse_ | matt___, yes... basically. |
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| 05:09.37 | burnt-toast | chealer9: but now if im not plugged into the network it sits and waits for the dumb thing to either fail or succeed before going onto the next items |
| 05:09.44 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: are you using dhcp? |
| 05:09.54 | matt___ | jesse_: by any chance does gcc work? |
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| 05:09.57 | jesse_ | matt___, Theres no way i can fix this with ldconfig? |
| 05:10.06 | jesse_ | matt___, no. |
| 05:10.09 | burnt-toast | chealer9: yes... this is for a laptop so the network changes frequently... hence my wanting to set this up |
| 05:10.11 | matt___ | jesse_: not if ldconfig doesnt work.. |
| 05:10.16 | jesse_ | matt___, ldconfig works. |
| 05:10.18 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: I don't know |
| 05:10.26 | burnt-toast | chealer9: ok ill try in linux too |
| 05:10.35 | burnt-toast | #linux that is |
| 05:10.53 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: that doesn't mean #debian can't help you |
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| 05:11.15 | jesse_ | Anyone have any idea how I can fix this with ldconfig it appears to be the only working command. |
| 05:11.18 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: asking the question with "background" probably nobody understood what you meant |
| 05:11.22 | jesse_ | other then cd. |
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| 05:11.34 | jesse_ | vi |
| 05:11.56 | burnt-toast | chealer9: my apologies... but every boot process i see that "backgrounds" the task actually says "backgrounding"... |
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| 05:12.16 | burnt-toast | chealer9: figured it would be teminology that was familiar... |
| 05:12.27 | jesse_ | there is the option to manualy link individual libaries. but it doesnt say anything else about it. |
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| 05:13.22 | matt___ | jesse_: i'm looking it up right now :\ |
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| 05:13.23 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: maybe, if so I'm sorry, I'm not sure |
| 05:13.23 | cleaverAlf | jesse: so you don't have ANYTHING not even cat, less, echo... none of those? |
| 05:13.56 | jesse_ | cleaverAlf, thats right. |
| 05:14.15 | chealer9 | jesse_: I'm curious why you still have vi |
| 05:14.22 | cleaverAlf | jesse: and you are currently logged in via ssh? |
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| 05:15.08 | ricochet | what command do I use to modify a file's timestamp? |
| 05:15.14 | Nurbs | touch |
| 05:15.35 | ricochet | to set it back. |
| 05:15.41 | Nurbs | touch |
| 05:15.45 | ricochet | oh |
| 05:16.05 | matt___ | jesse_: try this command ld -v | grep linux.so |
| 05:16.11 | Nurbs | :) |
| 05:16.19 | matt___ | that will tell you what linux.so.2 needs to link too |
| 05:16.26 | matt___ | perhaps you can link linux.so.3 to that same lib |
| 05:16.50 | jesse_ | matt___, FIXED IT! |
| 05:16.50 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: in any case, you should really consider reinstalling sarge and use a mixed system instead |
| 05:16.55 | matt___ | ?? |
| 05:16.56 | matt___ | haha |
| 05:16.57 | jesse_ | matt___, !!!! |
| 05:17.00 | matt___ | jesse_: how?? |
| 05:17.05 | jesse_ | matt___, I remembered |
| 05:17.14 | jesse_ | mathieu, like a year ago i compiled a new glibc but never did anyhting with it |
| 05:17.24 | jesse_ | LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/home/jesse/.test/lib /home/jesse/.test/lib/ld-linux.so.2 ./mv /lib/ld-linux.so.3 /lib/ld-linux.so.2 |
| 05:17.24 | cleaverAlf | jesse: don't forget the $20.00.. matt could use a nice meal after all this work.. |
| 05:17.27 | jesse_ | so that didi t. |
| 05:17.31 | burnt-toast | chealer9: hmm.. so far i have had buch better luck with this vaio on the mixed sid platform... |
| 05:17.45 | matt___ | haha |
| 05:17.46 | matt___ | nice. |
| 05:17.50 | jesse_ | god i am stupid. why i moved that file im not even sure. lol.. i forgot it would break EVERYTHING |
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| 05:18.07 | jesse_ | matt___, I'll go $10 since i figured it out.. but you helped if you want. |
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| 05:18.36 | matt___ | jesse_: haha dont worry about it. i just wish i could retrieve my english paper from my VFAT part on my flash drive |
| 05:18.44 | chealer9 | burnt-toast: what do you mean by "the mixed sid platform"? |
| 05:18.47 | matt___ | i dont ahve the motivation to write it again |
| 05:18.49 | jesse_ | matt___, that shouldnt be too hard? |
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| 05:19.11 | jesse_ | matt___, flash drives are very easy to recover stuff. did you delete it ors oetmhing? |
| 05:19.19 | matt___ | jesse_: i have tried googling it but havent found any leads yet.. i tried the basic ideas.. fsck.vfat -r -u filename |
| 05:19.20 | sep | matt___: you can make an image of the disk with cat /dev/sda1> /home/user/image.txt then grep and search in that file for text strings you know should be there |
| 05:19.23 | jesse_ | matt___, I deleted all the pictures on my digital camera onces and recovered it.. |
| 05:19.30 | matt___ | jesse_: how? |
| 05:19.39 | jesse_ | matt___, Search on google for deleteing your pictures on your camera. |
| 05:19.48 | jesse_ | matt___, There was actually like 10,000 programs to do it. |
| 05:19.53 | burnt-toast | chealer9: it has mostly* sid packages with some packages on hold until they become more stable |
| 05:20.00 | jesse_ | matt___, About any file recovery program should be able to do it.. ontrack.. stuff like that. |
| 05:20.39 | keko_ | do debian sarge support ibm t30 2366-86g sound ? |
| 05:20.48 | jesse_ | matt___, Do you have the ability to make an iamge of the disk for me.. in some format or anthoner.. If you can. I'll get the file back for you. |
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| 05:21.40 | matt___ | jesse_: ya i just cat'd the file to a txt file.. but its a 256mb flash file.. how would i go about retrieving it? |
| 05:22.03 | LinuxMafia | cheal|ignored: you there? |
| 05:22.18 | chealer9 | LinuxMafia: yes |
| 05:22.29 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: i found the way |
| 05:22.37 | sep | keko_: lspci what card is it in there |
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| 05:22.44 | matt___ | whoops |
| 05:23.00 | chewy | whats the command to see what processes are using a mounted drive |
| 05:23.03 | chealer9 | matt___: use grep maybe |
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| 05:23.14 | chealer9 | chewy: fuser/lsof |
| 05:23.15 | michal_ | how can i find out which packages are using the most space? |
| 05:23.20 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: mplayer vcd://2 -cdrom-device /dev/sr0 -dumpstream -dumpfile /tmp/out.mpg |
| 05:24.28 | burnt-toast | michal_: i have an answer for you i think ... one sec |
| 05:24.29 | chealer9 | LinuxMafia: cool, that seems hard enough :) what's /dev/sr0 |
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| 05:25.00 | burnt-toast | michal_: ok try this |
| 05:25.07 | burnt-toast | dpkg-awk "Status: .* installed$" -- Package Installed-Size| awk '{print $2}' | egrep -v '^$' | xargs -n2 echo | perl -pe 's/(\S+)\s(\S+)/$2 $1/' | sort -rg |
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| 05:25.20 | burnt-toast | should sort by size |
| 05:25.29 | keko_ | sep: /msg sep i put i here.. |
| 05:25.31 | michal_ | dpkg-awk ? |
| 05:25.55 | michal_ | sec.. have to install it and awk |
| 05:26.01 | burnt-toast | :-) |
| 05:26.14 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: my external dvd +RW |
| 05:26.50 | chealer9 | LinuxMafia: oh ok, is it firewire? |
| 05:26.50 | michal_ | burnt: nice.. thanks |
| 05:26.51 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: benQ |
| 05:27.03 | chealer9 | LinuxMafia: but the connection? |
| 05:27.03 | g8se | Can anyone tell me why in gnome clicking on mailto links isn't working? I've set my default mail reader to thunderbird, but when I click a link it pops up the profile manager. |
| 05:27.06 | burnt-toast | michal_: did it work as you expected? |
| 05:27.20 | cleaverAlf | burnt-toast: that command line is a thing of beauty... you MUST be a sysadmin.. |
| 05:27.25 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: usb |
| 05:27.28 | michal_ | burnt-to: pretty much.. based of that i can tweak it however i like |
| 05:27.40 | burnt-toast | michal_: glad to be of help :-) |
| 05:27.47 | keko_ | g8se: mozilla $url |
| 05:27.52 | michal_ | burnt: glad to be helped :) |
| 05:28.11 | keko_ | g8se maybee that code missing |
| 05:28.13 | burnt-toast | cleaverAlf: nope i just rub elbows with some pretty nice sysadmins.. i just keep all those little things handy |
| 05:28.14 | michal_ | figuring out which packages are expendable is a bit harder though |
| 05:28.23 | mwilson | Is thunderbird already running? |
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| 05:28.35 | sep | keko_: if you dont have discover you need to load the modules manually if you run sarge i'd recomend getting discover, your card uses the snd-intel8x0 alsa driver or the i810_audio oss driver |
| 05:28.54 | mwilson | I'm sure it has some sort of stupidity to say "use the running instance", since apparently it's not smart enough to figure out on its own that there IS a running instance. |
| 05:29.00 | keko_ | sep: alsa i read from net |
| 05:29.07 | cleaverAlf | burnt-toast: got ya... must be nice.. |
| 05:29.15 | sep | keko_: both work on that laptop, but yes use alsa if you can |
| 05:29.18 | chealer9 | LinuxMafia: ok...mplayer seems to use strange synopsis anyway |
| 05:29.19 | burnt-toast | cleaverAlf: i have had my moments of input... and i can read what that command is really doing... but i sure cant write that well on my own yet :-) |
| 05:29.37 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: yes it is very complicated |
| 05:29.41 | michal_ | i'll see if i can't figure out how to list all packages which AREN'T required.. it shoudl be similar now? |
| 05:29.54 | keko_ | sep: i wil use that.. when i try to modprobe snd-intel8x0 |
| 05:30.17 | burnt-toast | keko im using the intel8x0 :p |
| 05:30.25 | burnt-toast | michal_: well |
| 05:30.30 | keko_ | damn it :) nice |
| 05:30.40 | keko_ | tell to me how to set it up :P |
| 05:30.45 | burnt-toast | michal_: i would imagine just changing the awk strings according to what you want :-) |
| 05:31.00 | burnt-toast | keko_: well i found two things that worked for me... whats the problem you are having |
| 05:31.01 | burnt-toast | ? |
| 05:31.16 | keko_ | i must set it up manually |
| 05:31.19 | michal_ | burn: that's what i'm hoping |
| 05:31.32 | cleaverAlf | burnt-toast: yea.. me too.. sorta like music... i can read it but not really play anything.. :-( |
| 05:31.49 | burnt-toast | cleaverAlf: lol yup |
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| 05:32.27 | keko_ | burnt-toast: may i write you in private? |
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| 05:32.55 | cleaverAlf | again, let me ask real quick before I go... anyone know of a 'new hardware detection' application for debian... something like those used by knoppix or mepis etc.. ?? |
| 05:33.06 | burnt-toast | keko_: sure |
| 05:33.07 | chealer9 | discover? |
| 05:33.34 | michal_ | hmm.. i'm a bit confused.. didn't work as expected |
| 05:33.37 | cleaverAlf | chealer9: someone else mentioned that one I think.. any more? |
| 05:33.45 | burnt-toast | oh michal_ try using deborphan to find orphaned packages too |
| 05:34.10 | burnt-toast | michal_: its not a true awk interface... and theres a lot of parsing in there... |
| 05:34.25 | michal_ | burnt: deborphan doesn't seem to be thorough enough |
| 05:34.32 | chealer9 | cleaverAlf: hotplug maybe? I know very roughly what they do specifically |
| 05:34.46 | burnt-toast | michal_: no its not very thorough but it can be helpful |
| 05:34.47 | michal_ | burnt: i'm finding that some pairs get switched around while others don't |
| 05:35.38 | cleaverAlf | chealer9: i think i saw hotplug in the apps list for sarge... maybe i can take a look at it... thx for the info... |
| 05:35.54 | cleaverAlf | gota run... thanks group... |
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| 05:36.40 | michal_ | ohh :( i can't purge dselect |
| 05:36.50 | burnt-toast | roflmao |
| 05:37.50 | Nurbs | michal_: why? got any bad feelings about doing it? |
| 05:37.58 | michal_ | takes up some space |
| 05:38.06 | burnt-toast | apt-get clean |
| 05:38.19 | michal_ | there's nothing to clean |
| 05:38.32 | burnt-toast | do you want to purge the list of removed package names? |
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| 05:39.17 | michal_ | i want to purge as much as practical.. i have the debian install down to 125M |
| 05:39.26 | burnt-toast | ahh |
| 05:39.36 | burnt-toast | thats probably practical lol |
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| 05:39.50 | Nurbs | michal_: including emacs? :o) |
| 05:40.13 | michal_ | deborphan -a now only lists ssh nvi and itself |
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| 05:41.30 | michal_ | is there a way to defragment an ext3 parition? |
| 05:41.54 | sep | michal_: shoudnt be needed realy |
| 05:41.58 | michal_ | or more specifically have all the free space zero'd and contiguous |
| 05:42.22 | michal_ | this is for compression purposes.. not speed |
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| 05:43.46 | Nurbs | dd if=/dev/zero of=/foo; rm /foo might help |
| 05:43.49 | chealer9 | michal_: nobody will send you a new HDD even if you whine |
| 05:44.36 | michal_ | chealer: you mentally ill or something? |
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| 05:44.52 | sep | michal_: if the point is to have a smaller partition you could just resize it with parted i guess |
| 05:44.54 | chealer9 | maybe. it's getting late |
| 05:44.55 | michal_ | nurbs: that's how this filesystem was initially generated |
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| 05:45.39 | Nurbs | for defragmentation you can use defrag, probably. not sure if that leaves the journal intact, though |
| 05:45.43 | michal_ | nurbs: but if i bzip2 it now i think it would benefit from all free space being zero'd and contiguous.. or am i wrong about that? |
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| 05:47.16 | Nurbs | michal_: you're probably right. so you could defrag it then do what I said and compress it then. I would probably start with a new zeroed fs from scratch and copy everything over, then zip it up. |
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| 05:47.45 | Nurbs | michal_: and the ext3 journal won't help - you can probably save some more by using ext2 and adding the journal later :) |
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| 05:49.27 | anon1234 | Evolution crashes when I try to compose a new message. Running unstable. Ideas? |
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| 05:50.37 | Nurbs | anon1234: check the console output. check the BTS. downgrade. upgrade. report a bug. don't use unstable. :) |
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| 05:50.58 | michal_ | nurbs: can always turn the journal off |
| 05:51.10 | sanxiyn | Nurbs: Sounds like a plan. :-) |
| 05:51.21 | zu22 | i installed firestarter package (sid) and am trying to run it as root but it wont let me connect to X server (su'd to root caz my display manager wont let me log in as root) and when i try run it as regular user it says i have insufficient privelege, i dont want to run it as regular user so how can i get it running as root? |
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| 05:51.46 | anon1234 | Nurbs: Maybe this is an omen that it's time for me to switch to gentoo ;) |
| 05:51.52 | anon1234 | Nurbs: How would I downgrade? |
| 05:52.13 | Nurbs | !tell zu22 about mit-magic-cookie |
| 05:52.22 | zu22 | it said: Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server, Xlib: No protocol specified, (firestarter:2280): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 05:52.32 | Q_Continuum | booting off a netinstall CD (amd64) and need to install lilo (grub craps out) any way I can do it before I reboot? can't use apt-get (or must I do something to gain access to apt-get)? |
| 05:53.17 | Nurbs | anon1234: uhm. dpkg -i foo.deb :) |
| 05:53.28 | sanxiyn | Q_Continuum: Doesn't netinstall CD include lilo? |
| 05:53.36 | zu22 | nurbs: thanks |
| 05:53.45 | Q_Continuum | not the amd64 one anyway...it wants to install grub. |
| 05:53.57 | Q_Continuum | any way I can intall lilo when it doesn't provide the option to? |
| 05:54.02 | sanxiyn | Q_Continuum: Yes, GRUB is default, but I believe lilo is included too. |
| 05:54.26 | sanxiyn | Q_Continuum: So no need for net access, I think. |
| 05:54.32 | jesse_ | I have a new problem everyone. Counter-Strike: Source server requires glibc 2.3 ... woody is 2.2 .. I tried to take the testing package and unpack it into a users home directory and set their ld_library_path to that.. but no luck .. any idea on how to use glibc 2.3 on woody? |
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| 05:54.45 | Nurbs | anon1234: make sure to check the BTS and report a bug if you're up-to-date with unstable (apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade). if you recently upgraded and didn't apt-get clean you'll probably have the older deb still in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 05:55.11 | prodope | how would i go through the exim setup again? |
| 05:55.20 | sanxiyn | prodope: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 05:55.26 | prodope | thanks |
| 05:56.10 | anon1234 | Nurbs: I apt-get clean pretty regularily... Doh... I guess I'll look for a version of evolution from testing... (btw, bug reported already, thanks) |
| 05:56.36 | sanxiyn | prodope: Yeah, it's not reconfigure exim4. Took a bit of time for me too :) |
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| 05:57.38 | Nurbs | anon1234: you could also install evolution2.2 from experimental (seems to be uninstallable right now, though ;) |
| 05:58.14 | jesse_ | I have a new problem everyone. Counter-Strike: Source server requires glibc 2.3 ... woody is 2.2 .. I tried to take the testing package and unpack it into a users home directory and set their ld_library_path to that.. but no luck .. any idea on how to use glibc 2.3 on woody? |
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| 05:58.46 | cat | u can't |
| 05:58.52 | cat | u have to changed to sid |
| 05:59.03 | anon1234 | Nurbs: ... experimental?? Is that like... Beyond unstable?? Sure, I'm game, how would I go about doing that? (thanks for helping me) |
| 05:59.05 | sanxiyn | cat: or sarge |
| 05:59.18 | Nurbs | anon1234: I shouldn't tell you |
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| 05:59.25 | Nurbs | !tell anon1234 about experimental |
| 05:59.26 | michal_ | check out debian-goodies and specificallt dpigs :) |
| 05:59.30 | jesse_ | cat, well . i did that.. and three days after I swithed to testing my server had a rootkit on it. |
| 05:59.31 | Nurbs | .oO( dpkg will ) |
| 05:59.36 | michal_ | dpigs - Show which installed packages occupy the most space |
| 05:59.49 | jesse_ | cat, I just had it all reloaded and restored my backups..etc .. I'm not sure how the hell the rootkit got on there.. but I never had a problem with woody. |
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| 06:00.08 | sanxiyn | michal_: Oh, that sounds useful :-) |
| 06:00.16 | Nurbs | anon1234: heh, seems they removed the HOW for good reason. just google for it, but you'll be mostly on your own ;) |
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| 06:01.06 | anon1234 | Nurbs: Groovy, thanks for pointing me in the right direction. Pray for my computer's life. This experimental thing sounds pretty dangerous ;) |
| 06:01.22 | sanxiyn | anon1234: http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-experimental |
| 06:01.42 | sep | speaking about rootkits, what is the best systemwide fle check for debian ? tripwire ? |
| 06:01.47 | Nurbs | anon1234: it's just a few packages. mainly interesting if you're after testing some specific ones |
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| 06:02.08 | xerophyte | could somebody explain to me .. why does the kernel panic when put root=LABEL=/ ?? |
| 06:02.09 | rbrenart | Is esddsp part of any package in debian unstable? |
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| 06:02.53 | sanxiyn | !find esddsp |
| 06:02.59 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'esddsp' (2 shown): (/usr/bin/esddsp) in sound/esound-clients ;; (/usr/lib/{libesddsp.so.0|libesddsp.so.0.2.35}) in libs/libesd-alsa0,libs/libesd0. |
| 06:03.07 | sanxiyn | It seems so. |
| 06:03.51 | sanxiyn | dpigs: X, DRI, LLVM (unofficial package), Kernel, GTK, Thunderbird, Unfont (Korean font), GNOME applets, Firefox. |
| 06:04.08 | sanxiyn | Well, not much surprise. |
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| 06:05.18 | sanxiyn | Next to Firefox is... Python documentation. Hm, that's surprising... |
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| 06:07.33 | rbrenart | Well, looks like esddsp wasn't the answer afterall |
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| 06:07.40 | rbrenart | does anyone have any experience getting sound to work in wine? |
| 06:08.07 | Mojo_Jojo | rbrenart: yeah, I ran winamp through wine |
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| 06:08.26 | rbrenart | cause I've been tearing my hair out and reading as many posts as I can get my hands on, and I'm not getting anywhere, specifically I'm running Gnome, and trying to get Quicktime going (for the sake that a program called Rosetta Stone uses it) |
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| 06:08.52 | rbrenart | Mojo_Jojo, : Did it just work for you, or did you have to do some tweaking? |
| 06:08.55 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:09.08 | nvz | quicktime :P |
| 06:09.17 | Mojo_Jojo | rbrenart, I tried long ago... on fedora, one sec, I'll try it again |
| 06:09.54 | TNKS | hello. I have a kind of basic Unix question. If I execute a something like emacs &, then I fg back into the process. How do I get back to the shell? |
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| 06:09.58 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: True, Wine has no esd sound module. |
| 06:10.11 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: Kill esd and run wine? |
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| 06:10.27 | rbrenart | sanxiyn: to be honest, I don't even know if I'm running esd, how do I check? |
| 06:11.03 | Nurbs | TNKS: C-z to background it |
| 06:11.28 | TNKS | Nurbs, I find that C-z "suspends" the job. |
| 06:11.38 | TNKS | but I want it to keep running in the background. |
| 06:11.39 | Nurbs | bg to have it run in the background |
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| 06:12.00 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: http://bugs.winehq.com/show_bug.cgi?id=326 |
| 06:12.18 | sanxiyn | (I guess that's the most correct info on the net.) |
| 06:13.00 | TNKS | Nurbs, thanks. I know it's a simple question, but I'm sure you saved me some time. |
| 06:13.11 | Mojo_Jojo | rbrenart: I cant get wine to run anything |
| 06:13.25 | Nurbs | TNKS: probably under job control in the bash man page :) |
| 06:13.40 | Mojo_Jojo | whats a good priority level for a swap partition ? |
| 06:13.52 | rbrenart | So how do I see if esd is running, and kill it if it is? |
| 06:14.00 | mwilson | What's a good reason to mess with what was created by default? |
| 06:14.17 | TNKS | Nurbs, ah. . . that's probably the place to look. I looked for man pages for fg and bg. . . but they doesn't exist. |
| 06:14.24 | Nurbs | Mojo_Jojo: doesn't really matter. use the same everywhere, in most cases |
| 06:14.25 | cool_blade | mwilson: i dunno - to fix it? |
| 06:14.34 | TheBlueWizard | hmm...if an app doesn't suspend upon pressing of ctrl-Z, would that be considered a bug? |
| 06:14.45 | mwilson | cool_blade: Which implies that something is broken, which isn't normally the case. |
| 06:14.50 | Nurbs | The_Ultimate_Sam: not necessarily |
| 06:14.57 | mwilson | TheBlueWizard: No. |
| 06:15.06 | Xenguy | mwilson: what is the purpose of asking irritating questions, without any real intent/attempt to help? ;-) |
| 06:15.08 | Nurbs | uh |
| 06:15.10 | Nurbs | TheBlueWizard: not necessarily :) |
| 06:15.44 | TheBlueWizard | :) |
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| 06:16.06 | mwilson | Xenguy: You think it's irritating to ask why he thinks he needs to mess with it? |
| 06:16.13 | cool_blade | I want to add a perm route, anyone know where to put that in debian? |
| 06:16.32 | mwilson | Xenguy: They usually don't know. |
| 06:16.38 | Xenguy | mwilson: you already did it to me tonight, so I thought I'd comment on a pattern I've noticed (and not for the first time either :-) |
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| 06:17.07 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: Re: esddsp. esddsp works by overriding some libc calls, and not thread-safe, so will never work with Wine. |
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| 06:18.02 | Xenguy | mwilson: anyway, IMHO it's the intention to help that makes all the difference... |
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| 06:18.19 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: Try "killall esd"? |
| 06:18.21 | rbrenart | sanxiyn: That's fine, I don't have any attachment to esd... I just need sound from wine somehow, like I said, I don't even know if I'm running esd or not, the sound system is one thing in linux that has confused me to no end |
| 06:18.22 | Xenguy | I'm off to dream-land, so peace/out/etc. |
| 06:18.23 | notchris | evening all, is there a problem upgrading from lvm2.00.21 to lvm2.00.24 ? I am current unable to access my LV's, which is causing some pretty major panic. Any help would be MUCH appreciated. |
| 06:18.46 | rbrenart | sanxiyn: "esd: no process killed" |
| 06:19.09 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: Then I guess it's something different. |
| 06:19.12 | Nurbs | notchris: tried a downgrade to check? |
| 06:19.17 | johnnyST | Is there a bug repport about "xserver-xfree86 -12 IS BUSTED ON i386" that I can read? |
| 06:19.29 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: You just hear no sound? No error message etc? |
| 06:19.32 | mwilson | johnnyST: Why don't you actually look? |
| 06:19.39 | johnnyST | I tried :) |
| 06:19.46 | mwilson | You didn't. |
| 06:19.58 | sanxiyn | Eh, I am running -12 now... |
| 06:19.59 | rbrenart | I hear no sound, and quicktime says I have no sound hardware |
| 06:20.31 | mwilson | sanxiyn: You didn't notice the rather... large increase in installed size? |
| 06:20.34 | baroni | Hi all. I've riped a CD music using 'cdparanoia -B'. That gives me filenames as 'track01.cdda.wav'. so I've encoded all files to ogg format using 'ggenc -q 5 track01.cdda.wav' - giving 'track01.cdda.ogg'. But now, I would like to get the real name of the music through the info of the CDs or in the files.. Does anyone knows if that is possible? |
| 06:20.40 | sanxiyn | mwilson: Ah. |
| 06:20.46 | rbrenart | sanxiyn: sorry, I hear no sound, and quicktime says I have no sound hardware (though I can't tinker with menus since they're all garbled)... I'm not using debug mode, but nothing useful is dumping to screen |
| 06:21.15 | notchris | nurbs, In a sense. I just re-installed onto a new partition, so the NEW install cant access my old LV's, but if i boot using the old system (or even chroot) it all works. |
| 06:21.23 | mwilson | johnnyST: Having actually looked at the BTS, I know what's there. So, you didn't. |
| 06:21.27 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: Well, I have no idea then. |
| 06:21.37 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: Obviously, it is working for some people. Go figure :-) |
| 06:22.01 | notchris | does lvm break with every minor revision though ? that would make it pretty much unusable wouldnt it ? |
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| 06:22.19 | Overand | do all (2.5") laptop drives have their connectors in the same position? |
| 06:22.20 | nvz | I just realized 'packagesearch' depends on kdelibs4 and libqt3c102-mt.. looked like a really ugly gtk1 or tk to me.. didnt look like qt |
| 06:22.23 | mwilson | notchris: Welcome to unstable. |
| 06:22.26 | rbrenart | sanxiyn: yeah it must be, but they don't seem to be talking to me, or the winehq list, or the winehq irc channel |
| 06:22.27 | johnnyST | mwilson: I am searching in the BTS right now.. |
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| 06:22.39 | rbrenart | sanxiyn: well, back to windows for the night then |
| 06:22.57 | sanxiyn | rbrenart: Good idea. |
| 06:23.11 | johnnyST | hehe |
| 06:23.17 | jesse_ | me thinks mwilson can be an ass sometimes. |
| 06:23.38 | sanxiyn | Well, there's only one serious bug on xserver-xfree86 right now... |
| 06:23.39 | notchris | ouch. hrmm well I know 2.00.21 works. Is there a way I can install a particular version of a package, even if its since been updated to a newer version in testing ? |
| 06:23.53 | mwilson | jesse_: *I* should go look up the bug number for him? |
| 06:23.56 | sanxiyn | notchris: Try http://snapshot.debian.net/ |
| 06:24.07 | jesse_ | mwilson, Yes. You should. |
| 06:24.09 | johnnyST | brb have to get some coffee then perhaps I find it :) |
| 06:24.14 | sanxiyn | jesse_: Heh. |
| 06:24.14 | mwilson | jesse_: He thinks he needs to be using unstable, he should be capable of it. |
| 06:24.25 | Nurbs | BUSTED? SERIOUS BUG? muhaha. |
| 06:24.28 | notchris | sanxiyn, will do. Thanks :) |
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| 06:25.01 | mwilson | Nurbs: I'm sure once Branden or Fabio do some triage, it won't be a serious bug any more. |
| 06:25.14 | cef | what's a good way of finding out why a particular package is not in testing (short of asking the DD responsible?) |
| 06:25.17 | jesse_ | mwilson, That's your opinion. I have my opinion. Mine is that you should shut the hell up and stop being an asshole? .. We all have opinions.. We don't all choose to be asses and say them. |
| 06:25.52 | sanxiyn | Okay, johnnyST: http://bugs.debian.org/296539 |
| 06:25.56 | jesse_ | mwilson, You aren't capable of using your brain.. or your dick for that matter.. But do I sit here saying that both should be taken away from you/ |
| 06:26.27 | dondelelcaro | jesse_: if you need to insult someone, go elsewhere, please. |
| 06:26.27 | jm_ | cef: /msg dpkg why is foo not in testing? |
| 06:26.28 | sep | jesse_: fyi you'r rather obusive yourself there |
| 06:26.34 | jesse_ | Why.. mwilson does it all day long? |
| 06:26.39 | jesse_ | Never said I wasn't. |
| 06:26.41 | dondelelcaro | jesse_: because it's not appropriate. |
| 06:27.01 | dondelelcaro | jesse_: if you have a problem with someone, use /ignore. |
| 06:27.16 | jesse_ | dondelelcaro, But it's okay to insult peoples inteligence all day long? |
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| 06:27.41 | sanxiyn | The fact is, there seems to be some kind of double-standard for "insult" in this channel. |
| 06:27.42 | johnnyST | sanxiyn, thanks ;) |
| 06:27.44 | dondelelcaro | jesse_: that's not ok either, and when I see it, I correct it. |
| 06:27.54 | mwilson | jesse_: My only comment... it's insulting his intelligence to insist that he do something for himself? |
| 06:28.14 | jesse_ | mwilson, Yes. I would say saying hes 'not capable of it' would be. |
| 06:28.19 | jesse_ | mwilson, You learn by trying. do you not? |
| 06:28.57 | sseses_ | mwilson: you have to be more patient with people |
| 06:29.00 | mwilson | jesse_: And when I say "he's not capable of it", you can point out my insulting him. |
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| 06:29.09 | jesse_ | dondelelcaro, Well. It's my nature if someone is sitting there insulting people, and me, many times to finally say something. And I've said my opinion.. and unlike mwilson. I am capable of shutting up. |
| 06:29.11 | mwilson | jesse_: Meanwhile, you should learn how to read. |
| 06:29.24 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: just use /ignore already. |
| 06:29.29 | phishy81 | apt-get peace |
| 06:29.39 | sanxiyn | jesse_: This channel has culture of lusers suxor. |
| 06:29.43 | jesse_ | mwilson, Do you think when you tell people they aren't capable of using something.. that it turns them onto debian? When they are TRYING to do it.. and just asking for help? in a channel thats used for asking for help? |
| 06:29.46 | burnt-toast | wow... useless babble in here... good to see humanity at its best... |
| 06:29.51 | Overand | everyone could use a little apt-get moo action |
| 06:30.08 | zignig | MOO |
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| 06:30.15 | phishy81 | Overand: ah good to see you're still awake |
| 06:30.19 | burnt-toast | Overand: lol i think they should apt-get upgrade moo for a better ascii picture :-p |
| 06:30.23 | jm_ | or just some cowsay action in general, or sl ;) |
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| 06:30.28 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn, jesse_, mwilson: please take this whole conversation elsewhere. I won't repeat myself agian. |
| 06:30.38 | jesse_ | dondelelcaro, I'm done. |
| 06:30.39 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Okay. |
| 06:30.42 | zignig | jesse_: mwilson like abusing people on this channel becuase it makes him feel superior. |
| 06:30.44 | sep | !moo |
| 06:30.44 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! Type apt-get moo. |
| 06:30.54 | dondelelcaro | zignig: that goes for you (or anyone else) as well. |
| 06:31.05 | fusQuanto | all of my apt sources are like not workign... did something happen recently on the debian side? im using ftp.debian.org with unstable... |
| 06:31.16 | zignig | dondelelcaro: indeed, I try to be more circumspect about it. ;) |
| 06:31.17 | Nwallins | how can i make my 6th (thumb) mouse button go 'back' using firefox/gnome on sarge? right now it seems to go a clipboard url |
| 06:31.19 | sanxiyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:31.22 | sseses_ | zignig: nonsense, mwilson IS superior |
| 06:31.38 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: paste the output of apt-get update; into #flood (or use paster /msg dpkg paster) |
| 06:31.48 | zignig | sseses_: ehehe , no doubt , he knows alot.. |
| 06:32.11 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: it just says failed to find files.. i did apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 06:32.29 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: failed to find what files? Just paste the output like I asked. |
| 06:32.37 | phishy81 | http://www.lyricsfreak.com/p/phish/108402.html |
| 06:32.42 | burnt-toast | heres one for the masses |
| 06:32.45 | Overand | fusQuanto: you *might* have a bad mirror in your sources.list |
| 06:32.58 | burnt-toast | when installing a new kernel this message was displayed half way through |
| 06:32.59 | burnt-toast | WARNING: Can't read module /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/pci/snd-azt3328.ko: Too many open files in system |
| 06:33.00 | bricecube | is there any way to securely use php 4.3+ in woody? I'm worried about dotdeb.org's packages.. as I've just had a server hack |
| 06:33.20 | burnt-toast | repeating all the way down the list of packages |
| 06:33.31 | burnt-toast | s/packages/modules |
| 06:33.40 | fusQuanto | there you go dondek |
| 06:33.42 | fusQuanto | dondelelcaro: |
| 06:33.47 | phishy81 | bricecube: you don't know the method of intrusion? |
| 06:34.05 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: run apt-get upgrade; again. |
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| 06:34.22 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: there are multiple mirrors in the ftp.debian.org dns RR, and some of them are more outdated than others. |
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| 06:35.05 | burnt-toast | does anyone know how to fix that issue? |
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| 06:35.24 | fusQuanto | same thing on rerun |
| 06:35.35 | dondelelcaro | fusQuanto: rerun it again until it works. |
| 06:35.39 | sep | the awstats.pl hole in anyting older then 2005-02-20 was rather quickly exploited here atlest |
| 06:35.58 | dondelelcaro | burnt-toast: you need to increase the maximum number of open files. |
| 06:36.02 | bricecube | phaethon, it was from apache... though I don't know it yet ;( ... maybe some bad php somewhere? |
| 06:36.12 | bricecube | err phishy81 for that matter ;) |
| 06:36.12 | burnt-toast | dondelelcaro: ok how would one go about doing that? |
| 06:36.23 | dondelelcaro | burnt-toast: man proc; read about file-max |
| 06:36.26 | bricecube | phishy81, I've upgrade a site that had an older version of php gallery.. |
| 06:36.49 | bricecube | phishy81, but I dunno.. logs were deleted, etc. |
| 06:37.00 | phishy81 | bricecube: i dunno if php gallery hacks give you elevated privileges |
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| 06:37.16 | bricecube | phishy81, I need php 4.3 for horde... |
| 06:37.24 | kaplanfx | I've noticed a lot of debian unofficial xorg packages, are there any that are popular/good? |
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| 06:37.51 | mwilson | A lot? Aren't there only those really old broken ones, and the Ubuntu ones? |
| 06:37.52 | bricecube | phishy81, I dunno how he came in.. and after about 15 hours am starting to loose it ;) |
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| 06:38.22 | AcidWolf | hi i changed my hostname through terminal with echo (new hostname) /etc/hostname |
| 06:38.28 | phishy81 | bricecube: i got hacked a while ago, and i believe it was through a bad password on a user account |
| 06:38.33 | AcidWolf | now when i log in i get a small error but the hostname change worked |
| 06:38.46 | AcidWolf | how could i correct this error it says to look in /etc/hosts |
| 06:38.48 | dondelelcaro | AcidWolf: you probably didn't change /etc/hosts to resolve your new hostname |
| 06:38.54 | phishy81 | bricecube: the hacker ended up rooting your machine? |
| 06:38.55 | AcidWolf | when i look there it doesnt have anything in it |
| 06:39.04 | bricecube | phishy81, this came from www-data user |
| 06:39.13 | anon1234 | Geez.... No luck on my evolution problem... Experimental had broken dependencies, and testing was still foobar'd... |
| 06:39.16 | sep | phishy81: am noticing quite a lot of scans after the awstats.pl webstats page with the recent hole, luckily it dont lead to root access but still |
| 06:39.23 | bricecube | phishy81, sure did.. I just got finished clearing it all up.. will do a reinstall when I can get onsite.. |
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| 06:39.29 | AcidWolf | dondelelcaro how do i fix this |
| 06:39.34 | AcidWolf | :) |
| 06:39.41 | dondelelcaro | AcidWolf: you edit /etc/hosts so that your hostname resolves. |
| 06:39.46 | AcidWolf | ok |
| 06:40.02 | AcidWolf | which editor do i use cause i tried using gedit and that did work |
| 06:40.07 | AcidWolf | the file was empty |
| 06:40.07 | mwilson | dondelelcaro: Doesn't the FAQ have an entry about this problem? |
| 06:40.15 | dondelelcaro | mwilson: probably |
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| 06:40.18 | johnnyST | Last year I asked in Feb 2004 when the next sarge relase could possibly happen then I was told it could happen in about 6 months is it the same this year still ? :) |
| 06:40.22 | burnt-toast | dondelelcaro: will test the max-files fix once the guy im helping comes back in.. i think he lagged out |
| 06:40.28 | dondelelcaro | !hosts |
| 06:40.29 | mwilson | AcidWolf: Yes, so you PUT something in it. |
| 06:40.31 | dondelelcaro | !hostname |
| 06:40.31 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist |
| 06:40.34 | burnt-toast | dondelelcaro: thanx for the help |
| 06:40.42 | sep | johnnyST: yes it can still happen in 6 months |
| 06:40.47 | dondelelcaro | burnt-toast: you'll need to make the final change in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 06:40.48 | AcidWolf | ty |
| 06:40.56 | dondelelcaro | !tell johnnyST about wwsr |
| 06:41.04 | simonrvn | anon1234: fubar. means "fucked up beyond all recognition" |
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| 06:41.23 | burnt-toast | dondelelcaro: this guy was using kernel 2.2 and is upgrading to 2.6 ... do you think i will need to fix that with the newer kernel? |
| 06:41.39 | dondelelcaro | burnt-toast: it'll probably be the same thing. |
| 06:41.52 | dondelelcaro | but I think 2.6 has a higher file-max by default |
| 06:42.01 | burnt-toast | hmm ok |
| 06:42.02 | Nurbs | anon1234: could be corrupted data, too, or some library evolution depends on |
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| 06:42.16 | burnt-toast | once / if this guy gets back i will check and see |
| 06:42.30 | burnt-toast | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 06:42.49 | notchris | hrmm. well it seems I can probably recover my data. The general consensus then is that LVM is just unusable due to the fact that it breaks with every update? Is there a version of LVM that could be considered reliable ? |
| 06:43.54 | nvz | you can rely on whatever you want. if upgrading breaks things, then you are breaking things... nobody makes you upgrade. Also just because you rely on something doesnt mean it won't let you down. |
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| 06:45.27 | nvz | who will save your ass if you won't save your own is what I want to know |
| 06:45.30 | anon1234 | Nurbs: Yeah, it's probably a library dependency thing... I tried moving my ~/.evolution to a backup location, but it still was broken when I ran it, so it's not corrupt user data, at least. |
| 06:45.35 | miyo | notchris: LVM has not broken for me this far. |
| 06:45.38 | nvz | cover it, and not just once, but two or three times |
| 06:45.44 | miyo | notchris: And I have been running LVM and unstable for few years. |
| 06:45.50 | anon1234 | Nurbs: I'm looking up migrating to thunderbird, hopefully that'll work... |
| 06:46.21 | Nurbs | anon1234: I'll probably do that at some point, too, especially because evolution just won't have decent PGP support |
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| 06:47.57 | notchris | miyo, you've never run into any problems upgrading? If I'm going to continue to entrust my data to LVM I'd like to hear a few success stories :) |
| 06:48.23 | miyo | notchris: Sure I have run in problems... even with LVM but that was quite a while ago. |
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| 06:49.14 | miyo | notchris: Don't really remember the details anymore. |
| 06:49.21 | anon1234 | Nurbs: Funny thing, there's no immediately obvious way to export data from evolution 2.0... still looking... |
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| 06:49.33 | burnt-toast | like the name Xenocide |
| 06:49.39 | Xenocide | heh |
| 06:49.44 | miyo | notchris: How have you tried to troubleshoot it? |
| 06:49.46 | notchris | miyo, are you using sata disks ? I've got the feeling that might the source of my problems |
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| 06:49.54 | burnt-toast | just got done reading the book not too long ago... |
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| 06:50.14 | Nurbs | anon1234: hm, never had to. just copied everything over once |
| 06:50.22 | Empty | burnt-toast, Orson Card rules |
| 06:50.33 | burnt-toast | absolutely :D |
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| 06:50.42 | Nurbs | anon1234: but that's of course bad, still :) |
| 06:50.45 | Empty | burnt-toast, ever read Lost Boys? |
| 06:50.49 | miyo | notchris: Two servers at work are using SCSI... workstation at home is running LVM on sata. |
| 06:50.55 | Xenocide | ok, so ive just bought a ton of new computer parts, only to find out that none of my cd drives are working |
| 06:50.57 | Empty | (no relation to the 80's vamp flick) |
| 06:50.58 | burnt-toast | Empty: i believe so |
| 06:51.21 | miyo | notchris: Though I have had lvm on sata only for few months. |
| 06:51.34 | Empty | burnt-toast, the more-or-less main character... is a coder at a place that makes C64 software |
| 06:51.46 | Empty | it's set when C64 was "bleeding edge" |
| 06:51.47 | Xenocide | more importantly, the rescue.bin boot floppy doesn't boot |
| 06:51.48 | miyo | notchris: And recently my sata disk went bad... received new disk from supplier few days ago. |
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| 06:52.49 | burnt-toast | Empty: hmm i dont think i have then,,, |
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| 06:53.17 | anon1234 | Okay, here's an open question... How do I export email from evolution 2.0 for thunderbird? |
| 06:53.18 | notchris | miyo, do you know offhand which version of lvm you're using? My troubles started moving from 2.00.21 to 2.00.24 (current version in testing) |
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| 06:54.57 | Q_Continuum | apt-get! |
| 06:55.00 | Q_Continuum | and google! |
| 06:55.03 | miyo | notchris: Let me check |
| 06:55.15 | burnt-toast | lol |
| 06:55.31 | Kog | nice... Fire is spamming porn links on-join |
| 06:55.52 | Nurbs | do they work? |
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| 06:56.01 | Q_Continuum | lol nurbs |
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| 06:56.18 | notchris | eheh |
| 06:56.21 | miyo | notchris: Well, right now the system is running Sarge... as I finally got the re-installation started this morning. |
| 06:56.23 | sussudio | !ops Fire, to send you the spam |
| 06:56.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Fire, to send you the spam |
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| 06:56.51 | miyo | notchris: Before that it was running whatever the version in unstable is |
| 06:57.17 | miyo | notchris: http://packages.debian.org/lvm2 |
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| 06:57.54 | miyo | notchris: You have tried manually trying to get the vg show? |
| 06:57.58 | miyo | notchris: pvscan, vgscan, etc? |
| 06:58.07 | notchris | miyo, hrmm. so you HAVE switched between a few different versions without problems then. |
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| 06:58.36 | notchris | miyo, yup, pvscan reports something along the lines of "Cannot find PV with uuid "asASDASdsaSDBLAHBLAH"" |
| 06:59.09 | miyo | notchris: But you got it working some way? With other installation was that? |
| 07:00.05 | notchris | miyo, yeah, chroot'ing into a partition with an older install on it makes pvscan/etc all work fine. So that pretty much rules out any kernel stuff |
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| 07:00.49 | miyo | notchris: And what are the differences? |
| 07:00.56 | miyo | notchris: lvm version only? |
| 07:01.59 | miyo | notchris: You have sata-disks only in your system? |
| 07:02.40 | notchris | miyo, lvm version only, yeah. nope, 2 sata disks and 2 pata disks. pvscan shows the pata disks fine, even on the new system |
| 07:02.42 | miyo | s/sata-disks only/only sata-diss/ |
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| 07:03.00 | miyo | notchris: old system is installed on sata or pata? |
| 07:03.18 | notchris | both old and new on sata |
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| 07:03.28 | notchris | eek |
| 07:03.28 | miyo | notchris: Ok, just wanted to check. |
| 07:03.35 | notchris | sorry, both old and new on PATA |
| 07:04.12 | miyo | notchris: And both systems correctly load sata-drivers? (Of course as it was working just fine before lvm was upgraded) Right? |
| 07:05.13 | notchris | right, fdisk /dev/sda works fine, was working perfectly before the upgrade, and pvscan run from the old install works perfectly |
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| 07:06.02 | miyo | notchris: Both are using same kernel? |
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| 07:06.50 | cafuego | bob2: It gets better! |
| 07:06.52 | miyo | notchris: Hmm... chroot... |
| 07:06.53 | MacTAnzu | Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
| 07:06.58 | miyo | notchris: It should not matter... |
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| 07:09.25 | notchris | yeah, the two installs boot different kernels, but I can chroot into one from the other and replicate the problem (or the solution..) |
| 07:10.40 | notchris | it actually just got wierder too. I installed 2.00.21 into my NEW install, expected everything to 'just work' and it doesnt. same error as before. I then did 'fdisk /dev/sda' and 'fdisk /dev/sdb' to check my sata drivers, and then after that pvscan works. |
| 07:11.05 | notchris | just did that twice, and it doesnt work before I fdisk, and does work after. |
| 07:11.33 | miyo | notchris: Hmm... |
| 07:11.51 | miyo | notchris: Do your sata-drivers get installed when you boot? |
| 07:12.11 | miyo | notchris: Or. e.g. when device is accessed... |
| 07:12.47 | notchris | I'm lazy when it comes to modules, I've got into the habit of leaving everything up to 'discover' .. |
| 07:12.52 | notchris | so I have no idea. |
| 07:13.00 | miyo | notchris: /etc/modules |
| 07:13.02 | notchris | I'll add sata_sil to /etc/modules, reboot, and see what happens |
| 07:13.09 | miyo | notchris: ok. |
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| 07:13.46 | miyo | notchris: I think LVM is started before discover is kicked in. |
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| 07:14.35 | burnt-toast | roflmao |
| 07:15.35 | burnt-toast | speaking of which i should be logging for the night |
| 07:16.14 | miyo | notchris: ./rcS.d/S26lvm ./rcS.d/S36discover |
| 07:16.25 | notchris | miyo, no change :/ |
| 07:17.00 | notchris | I'm using a pre-packaged debian kernel, so my sata drivers could be being loaded from the initrd ? |
| 07:17.13 | miyo | notchris: My sata-drivers are not. |
| 07:17.23 | miyo | notchris: I need to tweak my /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 07:17.39 | burnt-toast | is there any way to show active drivers that were built into the kernel? |
| 07:17.42 | miyo | notchris: Otherwise I can't even boot my system... as I am running my system from sata disk. |
| 07:17.42 | burnt-toast | like lsmod |
| 07:17.51 | burnt-toast | but for built-in drivers |
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| 07:18.10 | jm_ | burnt-toast: yes, check its config file |
| 07:18.41 | burnt-toast | active drivers though... not just the ones that were built in... |
| 07:18.56 | notchris | seems strange, I'd have expected that to fix the most recent wierdness, even if it doesnt explain why changing version has caused problems |
| 07:19.14 | burnt-toast | well |
| 07:19.16 | ferris | I deleted the bar that goes across the top of my screen... (the one that has 'Applications' and 'Actions' |
| 07:19.27 | ferris | How can i get them back? |
| 07:19.34 | jm_ | well /proc/devices might help you some |
| 07:19.40 | Q_Continuum | booting from netinst cd, after installing base system, "error loading operating system" (Grub issues) any clue howto install lilo from the netinst CD? |
| 07:19.42 | simonrvn | right click on it... |
| 07:19.47 | burnt-toast | let me rephrase that... im looking for something that will show me which built-in drivers in the kernel are actually associated with hardware |
| 07:20.07 | miyo | notchris: While I still had ide + sata... I didn't need to tweak my mkinitrd |
| 07:20.15 | miyo | notchris: system was booted/running from ide. |
| 07:20.29 | miyo | Hmm... |
| 07:20.40 | miyo | Can one run pvcreate on already created pv? |
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| 07:21.51 | simonrvn | miyo: how about you go read the lvm howto |
| 07:22.07 | miyo | simonrvn: I am doing that. |
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| 07:22.26 | Q_Continuum | help! grub doesn't like my system. need to install lilo from netinst cd. how do I do this, or how can I boot from the HD using the netinst CD? |
| 07:22.27 | ferris | I deleted the bar that goes across the top of my screen... (the one that has 'Applications' and 'Actions').... How do I get it back? |
| 07:22.32 | miyo | simonrvn: But thanks for rtfm anyway *grin* |
| 07:22.43 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 07:23.28 | simonrvn | :) |
| 07:24.12 | simonrvn | Q_Continuum: feed grub some lettuce or something, or raw hamburger. they like that kind of thing |
| 07:24.19 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 07:24.34 | Q_Continuum | now, how will that help my laptop boot? |
| 07:24.56 | simonrvn | it'll make it stinky if you leave it too long |
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| 07:25.25 | Q_Continuum | heh. |
| 07:25.28 | miyo | notchris: At least my system does not let me run pvcreate on already existing pv. |
| 07:25.34 | simonrvn | try running grub-install - i don't do grub, but i seem to have seen that mentioned around here |
| 07:26.04 | anon1234 | Nurbs: Woo hoo! I've moved to thunderbird! Thanks for the "copy everything over" tip! |
| 07:26.11 | Q_Continuum | I can't boot - can I do that from the netinst cd? |
| 07:26.12 | miyo | notchris: Though docs don't really say if it will ruin the already existing pv - "This creates a volume group descriptor at the start of the partition" |
| 07:26.16 | Nurbs | heh |
| 07:26.26 | Nurbs | anon1234: oh, for mails I use an IMAP server :) |
| 07:26.40 | burnt-toast | Q_Continuum: what happened to your bootup? |
| 07:26.44 | jm_ | Error loading operating system doesn't sound like a GRUB error |
| 07:26.47 | Q_Continuum | first intall of debian. |
| 07:26.49 | notchris | miyo, I've had very little luck finding information relevant to my problem in the howto or with google :) It must be pretty uncommong |
| 07:26.51 | notchris | -g |
| 07:26.56 | Q_Continuum | had XP on, now dual-booting. |
| 07:26.57 | simonrvn | Q_Continuum: oh sure. mount your root partition, chroot to it, mount /proc, then run it |
| 07:27.16 | jm_ | yes, it sounds like it's an error from ntloader |
| 07:27.16 | miyo | notchris: Well re-running pvcreate might be something I did to fix when I had lvm problems... |
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| 07:27.38 | miyo | notchris: But as I said... it was a long time ago... not really sure... might destroy more than it fixes =) |
| 07:27.48 | burnt-toast | ajjj |
| 07:27.49 | burnt-toast | ahhh |
| 07:27.51 | burnt-toast | * |
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| 07:28.21 | Q_Continuum | and how do I mount my root partition from the CD? (Debian newb here) |
| 07:28.36 | notchris | miyo, and my backup habits arent the best :) I'm thinking I might just move all my data off, nuke the whole system and re-do everything using the latest LVM |
| 07:28.44 | burnt-toast | to fix this you might find the knoppix cd somewhat helpful |
| 07:28.52 | Q_Continuum | ahhh. |
| 07:28.56 | Q_Continuum | that I do have! |
| 07:29.00 | burnt-toast | yup |
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| 07:29.04 | burnt-toast | you can use that |
| 07:29.07 | miyo | notchris: Not good backup habits? Oh, then you should surely backup/move data while you still can. |
| 07:29.09 | simonrvn | once you've done the hardware detection, just mount it. man mount (google for some copies of it htmlised) |
| 07:29.14 | burnt-toast | and even according to other posted instructions |
| 07:29.18 | burnt-toast | chroot onto hard disk install |
| 07:29.21 | miyo | notchris: Then you can play more with it... and if it fails... nuke and start from fresh. |
| 07:29.25 | burnt-toast | and then run grub-install |
| 07:29.54 | miyo | notchris: Gladly I have good habit of making backups (with bacula on dvdram)... otherwise couldn't recover from the broken disk. |
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| 07:30.29 | burnt-toast | ok i do have to go to bed now |
| 07:30.34 | burnt-toast | was hoping to catch keko again |
| 07:30.37 | burnt-toast | oh well |
| 07:31.09 | notchris | miyo, I've been meaning to do a complete backup for ages now, but I always seem to put it off untill right AFTER I need it :) |
| 07:31.52 | miyo | notchris: Bacula with schedule helps a lot. |
| 07:31.58 | burnt-toast | later ppl |
| 07:32.01 | miyo | notchris: Now it is only matter of changing the dvdram-disc. |
| 07:32.57 | notchris | miyo, I should really look into that. For an initial 500gb backup though I'll probably just take the easy way out and buy a new disk :) |
| 07:33.24 | notchris | thanks alot for all the help, was very much appreciated :) |
| 07:33.28 | bricecube | hmmm.. php 4.3 is not in backports.org ?? |
| 07:34.01 | miyo | notchris: another disk in same system does not necessarily save you... if e.g. your power supply goes wild and bursts your motherboard, cpu, ram and disks unusable. |
| 07:34.25 | simonrvn | bricecube: don't know, is it? |
| 07:34.47 | miyo | notchris: Haven't had that yet for myself... but I have seen that happen. |
| 07:35.09 | Q_Continuum | can anyone assist me with what burnt-toast was assisting me with? do I need to mount the root partition on startup, or after the system's booted? |
| 07:35.21 | simonrvn | after |
| 07:35.32 | Q_Continuum | ok. |
| 07:35.38 | simonrvn | oh, with knoppix? dunno |
| 07:35.42 | Q_Continuum | now, what options did i use with knoppix in the past...hmmm... |
| 07:36.02 | Q_Continuum | need to install grub or lilo correctly, as it won't boot currently, so I'm using Knoppix to get the system up to install one of them. |
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| 07:36.56 | jm_ | boot knoppix into text mode, then mount your root partition |
| 07:36.59 | notchris | hrmm true enough, I guess for the long term I'd have to look into some kind of removeable media. I really need a good short-term fix now though, the machine with the LVM problems served /home over NFS and did DNS, so my family is pretty pissed with the lack of PC's right now :) |
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| 07:38.17 | simonrvn | jm_: that's what *i* would've done ;) |
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| 07:40.09 | Q_Continuum | okay, I'm up. |
| 07:40.43 | Q_Continuum | how can I scan the HD, I can't remember what the name of my partition is... |
| 07:41.17 | Flimzy | Why does 'mkfifo foo' fail when 'touch foo' succeeds? |
| 07:41.30 | Flimzy | wait... don't tell me. I know. It's b/c I'm on a VFAT FS... duh |
| 07:42.23 | Flimzy | I wonder how many other problems that's caused that I thought was the result of buggy software |
| 07:42.37 | nvz | Q_Continuum: your root fs must be mounted for the system to load init and everything else the system does at bootup |
| 07:43.08 | zinx | Flimzy: you're not even using umsdos? :o |
| 07:43.08 | Q_Continuum | all I need to do is mount it so I can install grub or lilo from Knoppix. than I can reboot and start stage2. |
| 07:43.15 | zinx | Flimzy: i'd hate to see your system |
| 07:43.57 | Flimzy | zinx: Hmm... I'd never considered using umsdos on my fat FS |
| 07:44.13 | Flimzy | zinx: that might be a nice idea, tho... since that's where I have 100gb of free scratch space |
| 07:44.57 | Q_Continuum | aha. I mounted it, now, to install grub... |
| 07:44.59 | Flimzy | generally I just use my fat FS for storing media files and whatnot... that I want to access from Windows and Linux |
| 07:45.08 | Flimzy | but right now I'm trying to transcode some video files... and the transcoder uses fifos for some things |
| 07:45.25 | zinx | Flimzy: it's a bad idea... umsdos is sloooowwwww |
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| 07:46.24 | Q_Continuum | okay, so I have XP on hda1, and linux on hda2...which do I want to install grub to, hda1? |
| 07:47.08 | Q_Continuum | since that was where the previous bootloader resided? |
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| 07:48.48 | beeblebrox87 | i get lots of "drive not ready for command" errors from my CD drive when trying to boot with kernel 2.6.10 or later. google returns only unanswered questions when searching for the error. any ideas? |
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| 07:50.43 | directhex | Q_Continuum, hda |
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| 07:51.05 | Q_Continuum | I don't have an hda, at least under /mnt |
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| 07:52.42 | Q_Continuum | I have hd, hda1 and hda2...hda1 is my ntfs partition, and hda2 is my debian install (done second and need to install bootloader due to it) |
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| 07:52.43 | Thanatermesis | hi |
| 07:53.03 | offby1` | debian.org web servers down? |
| 07:53.06 | Q_Continuum | so where should I install it to, I don't feel like borking my installation by trying it myself. lol. |
| 07:53.09 | Q_Continuum | not AFAIK |
| 07:53.10 | Thanatermesis | I have XFS sistem in my debian... what is the XFS real-time? is good? |
| 07:54.30 | directhex | Q_Continuum, grub installs to a device, not a mountpoint. it belongs on /dev/hda (or (hd0) in grub-speak) |
| 07:54.36 | Q_Continuum | ok. |
| 07:54.51 | simonrvn | Thanatermesis: you'll know when you need real-time |
| 07:54.52 | directhex | Q_Continuum, installing it to your windows partition is a very good way to not boot windows anymore |
| 07:54.53 | Q_Continuum | so grub-install /dev/hda? |
| 07:55.17 | directhex | Q_Continuum, indeed. |
| 07:56.29 | Q_Continuum | crap...cannot create directory, read-only. How can I remount the partition (in knoppix) as read/write? |
| 07:56.33 | beeblebrox87 | okay, since nobody here knows, where should i ask? |
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| 07:56.47 | beeblebrox87 | Q_Continuum: what directory? |
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| 07:57.23 | Q_Continuum | it was /boot/grub |
| 07:57.29 | nolf | could someone tell me the differance between tcp wrappers and firewalls |
| 07:57.46 | sussudio | nolf: bunnies |
| 07:57.49 | takatumi | MonaLisa[gambler: spambot |
| 07:58.17 | nolf | sussudio, what does that mean |
| 07:58.27 | sussudio | !tell nolf about stupid questions |
| 07:58.40 | cafuego | Phated: muaha |
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| 07:59.08 | beeblebrox87 | Q_Continuum: ummm |
| 07:59.08 | beeblebrox87 | mount /mnt/hda2 && mount -o bind /proc /mnt/hda2/proc && mount -o bind /dev /mnt/hda2/dev && chroot /mnt/hda2 |
| 07:59.11 | nolf | sussudio, it might be stupid for you but not for me |
| 07:59.13 | beeblebrox87 | then do grub-install /dev/hda |
| 07:59.22 | sussudio | nolf: you are stupid then |
| 07:59.28 | nolf | it would be great if you could help |
| 07:59.53 | nolf | but why lampoon someone |
| 08:00.02 | asuffield | nolf: it's the same as the difference between girls and green |
| 08:00.26 | cafuego | asuffield: apple degrees? |
| 08:00.26 | sussudio | green has 5% more penguin. |
| 08:00.49 | nolf | why do you duys think highly of yourself |
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| 08:01.00 | nolf | probably someday even you were asking questions like me |
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| 08:01.06 | asuffield | long arduous hours of practice |
| 08:01.07 | sussudio | asuffield: btw, MonaLisa[gambler, another one of them spambots. |
| 08:01.07 | nolf | guys* |
| 08:01.16 | jm_ | nolf: tcp wrappers protection is handled on application level, firewall is in the kernel (you can have userland stuff with it too, but it's not too common) |
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| 08:01.37 | jm_ | nolf: so in short, firewall will give you a much better protection |
| 08:01.50 | beeblebrox87 | nolf: does http://searchsmb.techtarget.com/sDefinition/0,,sid44_gci751000,00.html help? |
| 08:02.19 | asuffield | tcp wrappers isn't "protection" at all |
| 08:02.20 | Q_Continuum | chroot: cannot run command '/bin/sh': Exec format error (when running "chroot /mnt/hda2") |
| 08:02.20 | nolf | jm_, thanx for clearing out the basics |
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| 08:02.31 | Q_Continuum | rest went fine. |
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| 08:03.04 | beeblebrox87 | nolf: you on amd64 or something? |
| 08:03.17 | Q_Continuum | I am |
| 08:03.22 | Q_Continuum | dunno about nolf. |
| 08:03.26 | beeblebrox87 | err, Q_Continuum i mean |
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| 08:03.27 | beeblebrox87 | sorry |
| 08:03.27 | nolf | nopes intel p4 |
| 08:03.34 | beeblebrox87 | sorry nolf |
| 08:03.38 | Q_Continuum | yes, I am. |
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| 08:03.47 | beeblebrox87 | Q_Continuum: right then that would do it. |
| 08:04.04 | Q_Continuum | cause the error? |
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| 08:04.26 | beeblebrox87 | yeah, because the stuff in /mnt/hda2 is amd64 binaries and the knoppix kernel is ia32-only |
| 08:04.26 | beeblebrox87 | sedc |
| 08:04.26 | beeblebrox87 | sec* |
| 08:04.30 | Q_Continuum | ahhh. |
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| 08:04.33 | nolf | no probs sir thanx for your help anyway |
| 08:05.00 | beeblebrox87 | grub-install --root-directory=/mnt/hda2/ /dev/hda |
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| 08:05.34 | nolf | also which software can be used for playing virtual cds in linux |
| 08:05.47 | Q_Continuum | *runs* |
| 08:06.14 | Q_Continuum | Installation finished. No error reported. |
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| 08:06.45 | yekibud | hi all: trying to install a businesscard iso while booting the sarge installer from a usb flashstick - automatic install goes straight to net-install and ignores my iso, expert install finds the iso but stops at the base system because it says i dont have a mirror or cd - any help? |
| 08:06.47 | beeblebrox87 | nice. reboot, then, and welcome to the debian-amd64 community. |
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| 08:07.42 | tam | nolf: mount |
| 08:07.42 | Q_Continuum | YAAAY STAGE 2!!!!!! |
| 08:07.50 | tam | ? |
| 08:07.51 | isam | what would be the way for me to setup a system where I can log every user's login and session (console sessions) |
| 08:08.03 | Q_Continuum | sad that it took me this long to get to this point...lol.... |
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| 08:08.15 | tam | isam: look at man last |
| 08:08.21 | Q_Continuum | THANK YOU beeblebrox87! |
| 08:08.24 | cafuego | isam: See also 'man syslog' |
| 08:08.32 | notchris | beeblebrox87, you running amd64 as a desktop system ? |
| 08:08.37 | beeblebrox87 | yes |
| 08:08.47 | tam | over rated |
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| 08:09.12 | isam | tam, cafuego : Thanks .. what I am looking for is to look each command and thing that a user do .. like a screen log |
| 08:09.20 | nolf | tam, you mean mount the cd image |
| 08:09.24 | beeblebrox87 | with all these amd64 users here, can somebody please tell me why i keep getting lots of "drive not ready for command" errors from my CD drive when trying to boot with kernel 2.6.10 or later? |
| 08:09.25 | tam | nolf: yes |
| 08:09.25 | nolf | or rather .vc4 file |
| 08:09.36 | cafuego | isam: There's a kernel module, exec_log or something. |
| 08:09.53 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: Broken driver, stick with 2.6.9? |
| 08:10.01 | notchris | cafuego, have you had any luck with vnc or NX / |
| 08:10.02 | notchris | ? |
| 08:10.12 | beeblebrox87 | cafuego: happens with 2.6.11-rc4 as well, if its broken shouldn't they fix it? |
| 08:10.12 | cafuego | notchris: vnc runs fine, yes. |
| 08:10.25 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: Did you compile it yourself? |
| 08:10.36 | beeblebrox87 | isam: can't you just look at their .bash_history files? |
| 08:10.41 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: Ah, oh... are you running 'laptop-mode' at all? |
| 08:10.44 | reamtS | When is sarge coming out? |
| 08:10.51 | cafuego | reamtS: wir |
| 08:10.55 | debian | reamtS: wir |
| 08:11.00 | Q_Continuum | beeble...know any good US amd64 mirrors offhand? |
| 08:11.01 | beeblebrox87 | cafuego: "laptop-mode"? you mean cpufreq or what? |
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| 08:11.06 | valdyn | beeblebrox87: there was an api change, i have no idea if that is what your problem is though |
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| 08:11.14 | isam | beeblebrox87, nice suggestion .. |
| 08:11.21 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: There's a script called 'laptop-mode' that handled cpufreq, dma, spin-down... |
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| 08:11.24 | notchris | cafuego, server aswell as viewer? hrmm.. that was something I had run in a chroot (which for something like that is a problem..) |
| 08:11.25 | beeblebrox87 | Q_Continuum: no, i'm not in the US, and i just use alioth since everything is pretty slow for me no matter what |
| 08:11.29 | Q_Continuum | ok |
| 08:11.35 | Q_Continuum | where you at, btw? |
| 08:11.39 | beeblebrox87 | isam: not terribly secure since they have permissions to their own .bash_history files |
| 08:11.42 | notchris | I was just in the process of switching back to 32bit out of frustration |
| 08:11.46 | tam | nolf: please don't pm me. just ask in here |
| 08:11.47 | beeblebrox87 | Q_Continuum: Tanzania. |
| 08:11.51 | Q_Continuum | fun. |
| 08:11.54 | nolf | tam, sure sir no probsa |
| 08:12.06 | reamtS | !reamtS sarge |
| 08:12.07 | nolf | so atleast let me know the answer |
| 08:12.12 | cafuego | Yes, alioth is bog-slow. |
| 08:12.13 | tam | nolf: the answeer to your question is that i don't know. i don't know what a .vc4 file is |
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| 08:12.33 | beeblebrox87 | cafuego: no, nothing to do with laptop mode here then |
| 08:12.43 | nolf | .vc4 file is the vistual image of a cd created using a virtual cd software in windoze |
| 08:12.54 | nolf | virtual* |
| 08:12.59 | cafuego | notchris: Actually, yes, I'm pretty sure I run mine in the chroot as well, the native one just kinda sits there and does nothing. |
| 08:12.59 | tam | why does crontab -l only show you the last cron job that you added? |
| 08:13.00 | reamtS | !me sarge |
| 08:13.01 | dpkg | moi? |
| 08:13.19 | reamtS | !reamtS sarge |
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| 08:14.11 | valdyn | tam: does it show something different than crontab -e for you? |
| 08:14.18 | beeblebrox87 | nolf: you should be able to mount -o loop foo.vc4 /cdrom |
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| 08:14.40 | beeblebrox87 | if that doesn't work, the .vc4 format is broken, go reimage your CDs with dd or some such. |
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| 08:14.50 | anakin_z | Hrm does "kernel-package" being updated usually mean rebooting? |
| 08:14.59 | valdyn | anakin_z: no |
| 08:15.04 | anakin_z | ok thanks |
| 08:15.04 | rwilco | anybody know how to get usb-HD hotplug to work with debian? |
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| 08:15.16 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: Homebuilt kernel? |
| 08:15.19 | valdyn | anakin_z: apt-cache show kernel-package ( its not related to running a kernel ) |
| 08:15.22 | beeblebrox87 | cafuego: yes. |
| 08:15.29 | nolf | beeblebrox87, thanx again sir |
| 08:15.34 | tam | valdyn: it takes me to the last cron i made |
| 08:15.36 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: There's an option under IDE, let me look.... |
| 08:15.41 | nolf | tam, thanx to you too |
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| 08:16.02 | valdyn | tam: crontab -e _edits_ your crontab, it doesnt only show the last.. |
| 08:16.10 | _AleX_ | hi all ! I'm using Debian testing + 2.6.10 + software raid 1 + lvm on a Supermicro P4 with 2 maxtor 200 Go SATA disks. System works fine, but sometimes, the system freeze with this error : abnormal status 0xD0 on port 0x1F7 (I can send a screenshot with all errors messages). It's a problem with the harddisk, the motherboard or the kernel ? |
| 08:16.32 | valdyn | tam: it merely invokes vi <yourcrontab> or similar |
| 08:16.42 | beeblebrox87 | cafuego: i've messed around with all the PnP optopns etc, and compiled all the IDE drivers as modules, the problem seems to be in ide-cd.ko |
| 08:16.46 | tam | valdyn: yeah, but i don't know if the other cronts are gonna be running at the times i asked cron to run them |
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| 08:16.55 | tam | valdyn: yeah, it's like visudo :) |
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| 08:16.58 | beeblebrox87 | (nice thing about SATA, i can compile IDE drivers as modules now) |
| 08:17.35 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: "Use multi-mode by default" |
| 08:17.36 | valdyn | tam: guess you need to describe your issue better, crontab -e shows all crontab entries of the current user, defenitely |
| 08:17.41 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: What's that one set to? |
| 08:18.00 | Q_Continuum | beeble, what's the difference between the pure64 and gcc-3.4 mirrors (and archives)? |
| 08:18.01 | valdyn | tam: looks to me like you only have 1 entry |
| 08:18.03 | beeblebrox87 | N |
| 08:18.15 | beeblebrox87 | oh |
| 08:18.16 | beeblebrox87 | nice |
| 08:18.21 | cafuego | Oh, do NOT be tempted to use gcc-4.0 :-) |
| 08:18.22 | tam | valdyn: spud:~# crontab -l |
| 08:18.22 | tam | 30 02 * * * /usr/bin/apt-get update |
| 08:18.28 | beeblebrox87 | though that's under ide-disk and not ide-cd... do they depend on each other? |
| 08:18.29 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: it *may* fix it. |
| 08:18.37 | tam | valdyn: but i do have more than one |
| 08:18.40 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: At this stage it's worth a go, I'd say. |
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| 08:18.42 | Q_Continuum | is 4.0 a different mirror, cafuego, or is that part of pure64, and why not 4.0? |
| 08:18.44 | tam | i made it myself |
| 08:18.49 | _AleX_ | no idea ? |
| 08:18.56 | valdyn | tam: obviously you don't |
| 08:19.03 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: it breaks stuff (it's in experimental) |
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| 08:19.06 | Q_Continuum | what's the difference between the pure64 and gcc-3.4 mirrors for amd64, anyway? |
| 08:19.07 | boukensya | hey guys.. I was just wondering how to tell what version codec of xvid I was running |
| 08:19.15 | notchris | _AleX_, not really. Tried updating your bios, or any other firmware you can get to ? |
| 08:19.17 | beeblebrox87 | Q_Continuum: 4.0 is a different mirror, and it's not part of pure64, and if you use it you'll end up with lots of problems like me |
| 08:19.22 | Q_Continuum | ok |
| 08:19.29 | beeblebrox87 | err, 4.0 is under the gcc-3.4 directory |
| 08:19.34 | Q_Continuum | so what should I use, the pure64 or the gcc-3.4? I don't know what the differences are. |
| 08:19.36 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: Pure64 is compiled with gcc 3.2 probably. |
| 08:19.36 | beeblebrox87 | because they couldn't be bothered to rename it yeet |
| 08:19.37 | _AleX_ | notchris: it's the latest bios |
| 08:19.37 | valdyn | tam: cat /var/spool/cron/crontabs/<username> |
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| 08:19.48 | Q_Continuum | any benefit to using the 3.4 compiled version then? |
| 08:20.00 | beeblebrox87 | use the pure64. compiled with gcc-3.2 or 3.3, nice and stable though less optimized |
| 08:20.09 | valdyn | tam: note that this sure does not include whatever you have in /etc/crontab |
| 08:20.14 | Q_Continuum | can switch later if I want, I take it? |
| 08:20.14 | _AleX_ | and the big problem is that I don't have found a way for reproduce this problem, it's append randomly |
| 08:20.19 | tam | valdyn: that only shows the last cron job i made even though i have checked |
| 08:20.28 | Q_Continuum | oh dear god...it locked up |
| 08:20.32 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: it'll filter into the mainstream when it's stable enough. |
| 08:20.37 | beeblebrox87 | brb, trying with cafuego's suggestions |
| 08:20.51 | Q_Continuum | i can't do anything! |
| 08:21.06 | tam | valdyn: both are in /etc/cron.daily/ which i implemented with crontab /etc/cron.daily/apt-update and crontab /etc/cron.daily/locate-update |
| 08:21.11 | valdyn | tam: it shows all entries, simple, add more stuff if you need more, i suppose you might have added cronjobs to a different user |
| 08:21.12 | _AleX_ | notchris: the system use the motheboard ICH SATA controler |
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| 08:21.23 | Q_Continuum | left it on the editing /etc/apt/sources.list file, went to increase screen brightness, now it's locked up. |
| 08:21.25 | valdyn | tam: it shows all entries, simple, add more stuff if you need more, i suppose you might have added cronjobs to a different user's crontab |
| 08:21.26 | tam | valdyn: no, just as root |
| 08:21.42 | Q_Continuum | when I power off and start back up, will it resume where it left off? |
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| 08:22.01 | tam | valdyn: i don't see what i'm doing wrong. i could may well be doing something wrong. but as it stands i've done everything it says in the man page |
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| 08:22.41 | valdyn | tam: what the hell has /etc/cron.d or /etc/cron.daily to do with a _users_ crontab? |
| 08:23.00 | valdyn | tam: thats where your error must be |
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| 08:23.22 | blop39 | hello |
| 08:23.38 | sussudio | !fr |
| 08:23.38 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 08:23.49 | valdyn | tam: if a cronjob is in /etc/cron.daily then theres no point in it being in roots crontab too |
| 08:24.00 | epsilon | is it possible to install/compile debootstrap as user and setup one bootstrap? |
| 08:24.04 | tam | valdyn: ahhh |
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| 08:24.58 | valdyn | tam: now, cron will execute whatever is in /etc/crontab and etc crontab has an entry to traverse /etc/cron.daily. Additionally each users ( including root ) user-specific crontab will get executed |
| 08:26.08 | Q_Continuum | yaay retrieving package list. |
| 08:26.18 | valdyn | tam: that stuff does not have to be completely in crontab since traversing /etc/cron.daily is NOT a cron feature , its only a possibly distro - specific cronjob |
| 08:26.32 | valdyn | tam: that stuff does not have to be completely in "man crontab" since traversing /etc/cron.daily is NOT a cron feature , its only a possibly distro - specific cronjob |
| 08:27.07 | Q_Continuum | okay |
| 08:27.35 | simonrvn | the cron.* dirs (except cron.d) are run through via run-parts |
| 08:27.35 | Q_Continuum | on "Select and install packages" it comes up with an error that one or more packages failed to install, even when I only select "manual package selection" |
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| 08:28.18 | _AleX_ | which software i can use for test (stress) a hard-disk ? |
| 08:28.27 | Q_Continuum | you answering my question, simon, or no? |
| 08:28.31 | valdyn | tam: /etc/crontab : 25 5 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
| 08:28.32 | cafuego | _AleX_: bonnie++ |
| 08:28.42 | tam | valdyn: ahhh, sorry i understand you now. |
| 08:28.45 | _AleX_ | cafuego: thanks |
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| 08:29.02 | tam | valdyn: i thought i had to get crontab to implement it after i made the cron job. my bad |
| 08:29.03 | Q_Continuum | HAHAHA |
| 08:29.11 | tam | cafuego: how much of a budget? |
| 08:29.14 | Q_Continuum | you want to go to that store with a BUDGET cafuego? |
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| 08:29.18 | Q_Continuum | good friggin luck. |
| 08:29.19 | cafuego | tam: ~ 6000 |
| 08:29.22 | Q_Continuum | WOAH |
| 08:29.37 | Q_Continuum | you can buy a pimped out dual 2.5 G5 with that budget. |
| 08:29.38 | tam | cafuego: get a couple of G5 Xservers |
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| 08:29.52 | Q_Continuum | I've looked. something like 3.5 or 4 for my config. |
| 08:29.52 | cafuego | tam: Tossing up between iMac 20" and 2 iMac minis or perhaps an imac mini and a 12" iBook |
| 08:30.07 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: That's not a machine I need. |
| 08:30.10 | tam | cafuego: are you in the UK? |
| 08:30.15 | cafuego | tam: .au |
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| 08:30.22 | Q_Continuum | mini and 15" ibook? |
| 08:30.23 | blop39 | i know for #debian-fr but i think is a very strange think. some time when i boot on my laptop, the chock run too fast (x3) et powernowd show me the cpu freq = real cpufreq /3. i reboot and some time all it's ok |
| 08:30.26 | tam | ah, i'm gonna sell my ibook. |
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| 08:30.31 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: AU$, not US$. |
| 08:30.33 | tam | 12" ibooks are the best |
| 08:30.36 | Q_Continuum | ahhh |
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| 08:30.49 | tam | cafuego: i have a 12" and i love it but i just don't have the means for it anymore. |
| 08:30.50 | Q_Continuum | on "Select and install packages" it comes up with an error that one or more packages failed to install, even when I only select "manual package selection" |
| 08:30.52 | beeblebrox87 | cafuego: nope, no luck |
| 08:31.09 | Q_Continuum | anyone able to help answer my question? |
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| 08:31.25 | cafuego | beeblebrox87: Checked 'lkml' yet? |
| 08:31.25 | MobyTurbo | !anyone |
| 08:31.25 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 08:31.28 | tam | cafuego: pearpc ;) |
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| 08:31.43 | cafuego | tam: yeah, the install ran fine (if bog-slow) |
| 08:31.50 | beeblebrox87 | cafuego: came up in the google results... unanwered questions |
| 08:32.10 | cafuego | simonrvn: Well, see, mum-in-law wants to upgrade her Grape iMac... |
| 08:32.14 | tam | cafuego: it's because they compiled it against 128 mb ram. if they compiled it against say 512 it would run *a lot* faster |
| 08:32.16 | beeblebrox87 | mostly dealing with hdds which your tip would fix, not cds |
| 08:32.28 | cafuego | simonrvn: So if she pays for *additional* toys on her interest-free CC... |
| 08:32.49 | cafuego | simonrvn: I'm just wondering if dad-in-law needs an upgrade too. |
| 08:33.00 | simonrvn | heh |
| 08:33.06 | cafuego | (He's got a blueberry one) |
| 08:33.15 | Q_Continuum | beeblebrox87, can you help me with my issue? |
| 08:33.29 | beeblebrox87 | not really |
| 08:33.30 | cafuego | So either a mac mini for him and my wife, or a mac mini and ibook for my wife (in addition to the 20" imac) |
| 08:33.33 | Q_Continuum | damn. |
| 08:33.33 | tam | cafuego, simonrvn are you two related? |
| 08:33.42 | simonrvn | no |
| 08:33.43 | cafuego | tam: We're siamese twins. |
| 08:33.48 | simonrvn | only by species |
| 08:33.53 | beeblebrox87 | first off, i don't know what could be wrong, haven't done an amd64 install in a long time |
| 08:33.59 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:34.03 | beeblebrox87 | and second off, i have class now |
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| 08:35.12 | nvz | thats why you use x86, people are just throwing the crap out every so often.. heh |
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| 08:35.41 | Q_Continuum | okay then, base system is up. |
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| 08:35.54 | Q_Continuum | I could just start using apt-get, is that wise? lol |
| 08:35.56 | Q_Continuum | I don't know. |
| 08:36.03 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: Yeah, should be fine. |
| 08:36.15 | nvz | Q_Continuum: as long as you know what you want |
| 08:36.20 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: You could always rerun 'base-config'. |
| 08:36.27 | Q_Continuum | meh. |
| 08:36.29 | nvz | Q_Continuum: otherwise you may want tasksel or aptitude |
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| 08:36.33 | Q_Continuum | I want a gui! |
| 08:36.39 | Q_Continuum | lol |
| 08:36.40 | werdna | how do I set my local settings ? |
| 08:36.44 | simonrvn | bah, text is a gui |
| 08:36.50 | simonrvn | a gui to words |
| 08:36.51 | nvz | heh :) |
| 08:36.56 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: x-window-system-core xfce4 |
| 08:36.56 | Q_Continuum | hmmm...gnome or kde...I'm more fond of the extras of gnome... |
| 08:36.58 | simonrvn | (thanks valdyn ;) |
| 08:36.59 | nvz | font widgets |
| 08:37.00 | Q_Continuum | well, I want firefox. |
| 08:37.04 | simonrvn | no, nvz |
| 08:37.19 | simonrvn | nvz: gotta credit properly ;) |
| 08:37.22 | Q_Continuum | what's the package called? |
| 08:37.25 | Q_Continuum | xfce4? |
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| 08:38.02 | cafuego | xfce4 is a pretty, fast wm. |
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| 08:38.39 | nvz | I didnt see anything worthy about it |
| 08:38.53 | cafuego | nvz: You didn't run it on a low-end box, did you? |
| 08:39.07 | blop39 | i think XFCE4 is lite and easy to use a good DM between fluxbox et GNOME/KDE |
| 08:39.07 | nvz | of course I've been sold since been sold since been sold on sawfish |
| 08:39.32 | nvz | cafuego: if sawfish was too heafty I would use ion or golem |
| 08:39.38 | epsilon | is it possible to install/compile debootstrap as user and setup bootstraps? |
| 08:39.48 | Q_Continuum | I'm wanting to install gnome...is the package just called gnome? |
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| 08:40.02 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: Si. |
| 08:40.07 | nvz | Q_Continuum: yes but that would be ALL of gnome |
| 08:40.13 | Q_Continuum | hmmm |
| 08:40.18 | nvz | Q_Continuum: games, system tools, multimedia..etc |
| 08:40.20 | cafuego | gnome-core is probably a better start. |
| 08:40.20 | Q_Continuum | I can remove more later.... |
| 08:40.24 | Q_Continuum | that sounds good. |
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| 08:40.56 | cafuego | Oi! Off my leg, bitch! |
| 08:41.01 | trust | cafuego, what in particular about my host then? |
| 08:41.08 | cafuego | trust: the 'cheese' bit |
| 08:41.14 | nvz | Q_Continuum: stop! |
| 08:41.17 | nvz | heh |
| 08:41.19 | trust | that, my friend, is my surname! |
| 08:41.22 | nvz | Q_Continuum: apt-get moo |
| 08:41.24 | nvz | :P |
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| 08:41.31 | Q_Continuum | and what, might I ask, is moo? lol |
| 08:41.37 | nvz | ~moo |
| 08:41.38 | apt | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
| 08:41.40 | trust | =o |
| 08:42.09 | trust | ;o |
| 08:42.18 | Q_Continuum | lol |
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| 08:42.27 | nvz | Q_Continuum: apt has super cow powers |
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| 08:42.39 | Q_Continuum | apt has massive killer world-domination powers. |
| 08:42.51 | trust | I should get around to learning C++ properly =( |
| 08:42.55 | trust | aaanyway |
| 08:42.58 | cafuego | trust: why? |
| 08:43.04 | nvz | seriously |
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| 08:43.21 | trust | cafuego, so I can do decent programming |
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| 08:43.29 | trust | instead of just PHP =( |
| 08:43.32 | nomed^ | hi |
| 08:43.39 | trust | nomed^, good morning! |
| 08:43.39 | Q_Continuum | now...to get ndiswrapper working.... |
| 08:43.45 | cafuego | trust: PHP is a more decent language than C++, you're doing fine. |
| 08:43.48 | nomed^ | i've a question about framebuffer... |
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| 08:43.54 | nomed^ | morning trust |
| 08:44.02 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: ndiswrapper on amd64? |
| 08:44.04 | trust | cafuego, ah, ood good |
| 08:44.07 | trust | *good good |
| 08:44.07 | Q_Continuum | yes |
| 08:44.13 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: Just give up. |
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| 08:44.15 | Q_Continuum | not work, or issues, or what? |
| 08:44.18 | Q_Continuum | oh damn |
| 08:44.26 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: ndiswrapper needs 32bit win* drivers. |
| 08:44.30 | Q_Continuum | please, tell me it isn't so! |
| 08:44.34 | Q_Continuum | I have 32 bit win drivers. |
| 08:44.44 | trust | nomed^, I'd heko, but I really know nothing about framebuffer |
| 08:44.45 | Q_Continuum | on ntfs partition. |
| 08:44.45 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: They will do POO on a 64bit Linux kernel. |
| 08:44.46 | valdyn | !loose Q_Continuum |
| 08:44.47 | dpkg | You lose Q_Continuum! [and valdyn can't spell, either.] |
| 08:44.52 | Q_Continuum | oh fsck |
| 08:44.52 | valdyn | !lose Q_Continuum |
| 08:44.53 | dpkg | Q_Continuum: You Lose. |
| 08:44.53 | trust | heh |
| 08:44.53 | nomed^ | how should i do if i would use the nvidia framebuffer insteed of the vesafb? |
| 08:44.57 | valdyn | hah |
| 08:45.02 | trust | !lose trust |
| 08:45.02 | trust | =( |
| 08:45.03 | dpkg | trust: You Lose. |
| 08:45.06 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: Well, that's what i ecpect will happen. Give it a try by all means. |
| 08:45.07 | MobyTurbo | Q_Continuum: 32 bit Windows DLLs are precisely not working in AMD64 |
| 08:45.09 | trust | 1lose me |
| 08:45.11 | trust | >_< |
| 08:45.13 | trust | !lose me |
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| 08:45.14 | dpkg | trust: You Lose. |
| 08:45.17 | trust | hurray |
| 08:45.20 | trust | aaanyway |
| 08:45.22 | trust | I'm off |
| 08:45.25 | trust | really this time |
| 08:45.26 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: it just uses the .sys |
| 08:45.32 | Q_Continuum | why not, because it's 32bit and kernel is 64? what about 32bit userland? |
| 08:45.40 | cafuego | MobyTurbo: But yes, I expect it to have a conniption and possibly oops the kernel. |
| 08:45.41 | MobyTurbo | nomed^: if you want to use X you shouldn't use non-generic frame buffers |
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| 08:47.09 | Skiver | any idea where is the loadable extension modules of php reside ? |
| 08:47.24 | notchris | I think perhaps I misunderstood what FreeNX can do. I was under the impression that it can give me *PERSISTANT* remote X sessions, similiar to VNC but faster. Am I wrong ? |
| 08:47.58 | notchris | the website claims persistant sessions, but I'm not sure if thats just because nxclient supports VNC ... |
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| 08:48.38 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: 64bit windows can't load 32bit windows drivers. 64bit Linux is going to fare worse, not better. Storage data sizes are different, they're going to behave bad and 1) not work or 2) crash you kernel. |
| 08:48.54 | Q_Continuum | *cries* |
| 08:48.58 | KonvIRC_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:49.08 | cafuego | Q_Continuum: You should buy real hardware. |
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| 08:49.36 | Q_Continuum | when I bought this laptop, it was one of 3 64-bit machines on the market. the other two cost $2500+. this one was half that. |
| 08:49.55 | MobyTurbo | nomed^: you shouldn't use rivafb with nvidia drivers. |
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| 08:50.21 | MobyTurbo | s/nvidia/X nvidia/ |
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| 08:50.57 | notchris | anyone willing to educate me a little on FreeNX ? |
| 08:51.09 | KonvIRC_ | MobyTurbo: i'm using vesafb ... but i would know if it exists the one of nvidia ... for sure i can't use ruvafb |
| 08:51.52 | KonvIRC_ | s/ruvafb /rivafb |
| 08:52.12 | Q_Continuum | any clue as to when/if ndiswrapper will work on 64-bit linux with 32-bit drivers? at all, if ever? |
| 08:52.14 | reamtS | what is a good dhcpd? |
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| 08:52.52 | trogger | reamtS: bind9 |
| 08:53.15 | valdyn | Q_Continuum: likely never, more likely it will support 64-bit windows drivers |
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| 08:53.34 | reamtS | trogger: is that a dhcpd? It's that for binding DNS only? |
| 08:53.37 | Q_Continuum | does it do that yet? I think I can find 64-bit drivers for mine. |
| 08:53.46 | valdyn | Q_Continuum: no |
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| 08:53.51 | Q_Continuum | damn. |
| 08:53.57 | MobyTurbo | KonvIRC_: riva is for older nvidia cards; and you can't run it and nvidia X drivers. |
| 08:54.09 | tovella | i'm not so familiar with debian, although it's fast becoming my favorite flavor of linux... |
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| 08:54.09 | valdyn | Q_Continuum: why dont you run debian-i386? |
| 08:54.14 | notchris | reamtS, ISC dhcpd |
| 08:54.23 | Q_Continuum | because I have 64-bit hardware. I want to put it to use. lol. |
| 08:54.28 | trogger | reamtS: sorry, didn't read your question properly :) |
| 08:54.35 | jin | hi all, my mixer keep loosing its new settings... could anyone please let me know how to fix it? |
| 08:54.49 | eriix | I like the 64 bit kernel, too. |
| 08:54.55 | Q_Continuum | Grrrrr. |
| 08:55.02 | valdyn | Q_Continuum: now that is hardly a good reason, you put _more_ bits to use on many occasions if you use debian-i386 |
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| 08:55.18 | chewy | how can i give a user access to a mounted partition |
| 08:55.21 | tovella | can someone tell me which file stores the domain name on a debian box? |
| 08:55.24 | KonvIRC_ | MobyTurbo: so if i want a fb i have to use vesafb ... and the nvida drivers doesn't offer any fb ... did i understand correctly? |
| 08:55.31 | Q_Continuum | crashes |
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| 08:55.35 | Q_Continuum | :( |
| 08:55.47 | KonvIRC_ | *don't |
| 08:55.49 | eriix | I can't seem to compile nvidia-kernel-source with the amd64 kernels now included on debian-i386 |
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| 08:56.12 | MobyTurbo | KonvIRC_: read what I typed twice already |
| 08:56.19 | chewy | eriix: did you download the right sources and headers? |
| 08:56.33 | chewy | eriix: and extract the sources |
| 08:56.34 | trogger | I want to purchase a domain, using it for email, web hosting etc. Can anyone recommend a good, cheap provider for a .net address? I might be interested in backupmx as well... oh and I need to be able to change the dns relatively often (~once a month or so) |
| 08:56.38 | valdyn | eriix: you would need the nvidia amd64 port, it even supports a 32 bit interface ( for applications ) |
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| 08:57.26 | tovella | trogger: do you want to use you own hardware? |
| 08:57.30 | werdna | www.debian.org |
| 08:57.35 | trogger | tovella: indeed. |
| 08:58.07 | valdyn | eriix: much easier and not significantly worse though - just use a 32 bit kernel |
| 08:58.07 | eriix | Yeah, but it's not provided in the nvidia-kernel-source package for i386, and the amd64 nvidia packages don't like being on an otherwise normal i386 install. |
| 08:58.15 | tovella | trogger: then i would just get registered directly with internic. |
| 08:58.22 | simonrvn | @tell Q_Cont|debian -about root |
| 08:58.26 | Q_Continuum | how do I play with resolutions? |
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| 08:58.38 | trogger | tovella: ok, cheers, I'll look into it. |
| 08:58.42 | werdna | where is the apt-get howto? |
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| 08:58.55 | tovella | trogger: www.internic.net is what you want. |
| 08:58.56 | eriix | I just figured I wouldn't worry about it. OpenGL support is rarely needed for spreadsheets or the coding I do. |
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| 08:59.18 | trogger | werdna: check out man apt-get |
| 08:59.31 | jm_ | trogger: there's lots of them, I use gandi.net |
| 08:59.34 | chewy | apt-get is jesus |
| 08:59.36 | MMXcr | hi i need a recomendation, i whant to try installing a DHCP server to give IP machines what i do need? |
| 08:59.47 | trogger | chewy: actually, you're wrong. |
| 08:59.49 | tovella | can someone tell me which file stores the domain name on a debian box? |
| 08:59.50 | Skiver | anyone here with debian sid + apache2 + php ?? |
| 09:00.07 | trogger | Skiver: are you having problems with the prefork stuff? |
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| 09:00.13 | chewy | <3 apt-get |
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| 09:00.26 | werdna | good call tovella |
| 09:00.32 | rincevent | salut les gens |
| 09:00.34 | rincevent | euuhh... oh, hello :p |
| 09:00.35 | Skiver | trogger : nope, i've lost mysql support after upgrading the version |
| 09:00.45 | MMXcr | hi i need help whith DHCP server? |
| 09:01.05 | trogger | anyone know in particular about backupmx services? (preferably for less than dyndns.org wants to charge) |
| 09:01.25 | valdyn | MMXcr: dnsmasq does support that, or use dpcp3-server |
| 09:01.31 | blop39 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.36 | simonrvn | MMXcr: 2 NIcs, a computer to use those 2 NIcs, some doc reading, and a text editor |
| 09:01.40 | simonrvn | NICs* |
| 09:01.56 | eriix | tovella, /etc/hostname should have the FQDN for your box, so you should be able to look at everything after the first period there. |
| 09:01.59 | MMXsad | valdyn: ok |
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| 09:02.15 | tovella | eriix: thnx. |
| 09:02.22 | simonrvn | eriix: hostname file does *not* have the fqdn |
| 09:02.26 | valdyn | MMXsad: advantage of dnsmasq is that you can have a nameserver too, in the same package |
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| 09:03.23 | eriix | simonrvn, It does on mine. Perhaps it shouldn't, though. |
| 09:03.25 | Q_Continuum | How do I change the resolution my consoles come up at? |
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| 09:03.30 | MMXsad | valdyn: umm that give IP to windows clients? |
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| 09:03.38 | simonrvn | eriix: no, it's purely for the hostname |
| 09:03.42 | valdyn | MMXsad: yes |
| 09:03.51 | MMXsad | valdyn: cool |
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| 09:04.22 | MMXsad | valdyn: letme put apt-get to install, for what is dhcp3? |
| 09:04.27 | apt-get | hello everybody , I just finished downloadinga ISO image and would like to burn the ISO to CD dose anyone know the cooand that will install a cd burner |
| 09:04.29 | eriix | simonrvn, That would make more sense, given the filename. Sorry for the noise. |
| 09:04.29 | rwilco | I think I may have gotten a slight clue with usb hotplugging. Just saw an error during boot that I think may have been some error with some things that deal with USB. so where is the log for boot? |
| 09:04.33 | lunitik | What distro is probably most popular by KDE devels? (mainly asking cuz it will likely have the best KDE implementation too) |
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| 09:04.50 | chewy | how can i give a user access to a mounted partition |
| 09:04.51 | simonrvn | eriix: s'ok. FQDN can be set in /etc/hosts (hence the confusion ;) |
| 09:04.56 | valdyn | MMXsad: dhcp3-server is a dhcp server, ( apt-get install dhcp3-server |
| 09:05.07 | trogger | chewy: change the permissions of the mountpoint with chown / chgrp / chmod |
| 09:05.11 | rwilco | where is the log file for boot? |
| 09:05.17 | trogger | rwilco: use dmesg |
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| 09:05.28 | trogger | rwilco: there is also /var/log/syslog |
| 09:05.31 | apt-get | The download opend with file roller and I dont see an option to burn the ISO to CD |
| 09:05.32 | simonrvn | rwilco: /var/log |
| 09:05.38 | lunitik | Sorry about that, wrong channel |
| 09:05.51 | MMXsad | valdyn:ok |
| 09:06.28 | Q_Continuum | what's this? amd's released 64-bit LINUX 9600 drivers? NIIICE. |
| 09:06.31 | rwilco | simonrvn: trogger: thanks! |
| 09:06.43 | trogger | rwilco: np |
| 09:06.46 | MMXsad | valdyn: inside webmin can i configure dhcp server? |
| 09:07.04 | reamtS | how do I use apt-cache to show me where it files will be place in the dir? |
| 09:07.06 | MMXsad | valdyn: do i need dhcp client? |
| 09:07.18 | Q_Continuum | howdo I change the resolution my terminals come up at? |
| 09:07.20 | apt-get | dose anyone happen to know a command that will install a cd burner and pin it to the app list |
| 09:07.47 | jm_ | reamtS: you can't, apt-file can |
| 09:07.52 | apt-get | The ISO opend with file roler |
| 09:07.55 | valdyn | MMXsad: You dont need it to serve dhcp requests of your windows machines |
| 09:08.05 | valdyn | MMXsad: i never used webmin |
| 09:08.06 | apt-get | any command that will burn it to cd |
| 09:08.10 | trogger | jm_: thanks for your advice re gandi.net. Do you have a static ip, or dynamic? |
| 09:08.47 | MMXsad | valdyn: OK |
| 09:09.01 | Q_Continuum | Help! how do I change the resolution on my terminal windows? |
| 09:09.05 | Q_Continuum | what do I need to install? |
| 09:09.15 | trogger | !ask Q_Continuum |
| 09:09.21 | trogger | ah wrong thing. |
| 09:09.31 | werdna | I am getting an error when installing packages |
| 09:09.31 | werdna | <werdna> it says locale: Cannot Set LC_CTYPE to default |
| 09:09.31 | werdna | <werdna> locale: No such file or directory |
| 09:09.31 | werdna | <werdna> and it goes into more information |
| 09:09.31 | werdna | <werdna> perl: warning: Setting locale failed. |
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| 09:09.37 | jm_ | trogger: static, I use it for mail and web, but it's hosted on my friend's site |
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| 09:09.40 | werdna | whoops |
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| 09:10.12 | Q_Continuum | so what were you going to do, trogger? |
| 09:10.15 | apt-get | dose anyone know a cooand that will install a CD burner to the ap menue? |
| 09:10.17 | trogger | werdna: I'd be interested in other people's advice, but I installed the <locales> package and that makes it be quiet. |
| 09:10.31 | trogger | Q_Continuum: tell you not to keep asking the same question. |
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| 09:10.56 | Q_Continuum | sorry...I've asked two, maybe 3 times, as I'm not getting any help, and google isn't being much help either right now. |
| 09:11.14 | MMXsad | valdyn: why i can't find /usr/sbin/dhcpd? |
| 09:11.31 | apt-get | can I get a number |
| 09:11.33 | apt-get | please |
| 09:11.39 | Rawplayer | apt-get 187 |
| 09:11.42 | Rawplayer | ? |
| 09:11.47 | apt-get | I dont want to sit here all night if none is going to help |
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| 09:11.59 | Rawplayer | !moron apt-get |
| 09:12.00 | dpkg | apt-get: You are moron #17 |
| 09:12.01 | trogger | apt-get: don't then. vote with your computer |
| 09:12.09 | streuner_ | apt-get: file a bugreport |
| 09:12.26 | skarg | Q_Continuum: I used to set it in lilo.conf when I was using lilo as the boot loader |
| 09:12.28 | trogger | streuner_: you need to make sure it's in at least three languages, however. |
| 09:12.36 | Q_Continuum | any clue when using grub? |
| 09:12.41 | apt-get | I already tried that but it's not listed in the menue |
| 09:13.05 | eriix | apt-get, Which program did you install? |
| 09:13.12 | apt-get | Natlus |
| 09:13.20 | streuner_ | doh |
| 09:13.37 | apt-get | I'm new with debainI just installed it 2 days ago |
| 09:13.57 | apt-get | Natlus cd burner but it's not listed in the apps |
| 09:14.09 | eriix | apt-get, You mean nautilus? |
| 09:14.13 | streuner_ | apt-get: nautilus |
| 09:14.14 | apt-get | yeah thats it |
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| 09:15.07 | Marten | hello |
| 09:15.09 | streuner_ | apt-get: just use cdrecord or cdrdao at the command-line |
| 09:15.09 | Shaun | anybody know what file type raw G3 data is? |
| 09:15.12 | trogger | Marten: welcome. |
| 09:15.18 | Shaun | well, what prefix... |
| 09:15.20 | eriix | apt-get, nautilus is a file manager. The burner is a plugin for it. You would start nautilus, then select "Cd Creator" from the "Go" menu. |
| 09:15.27 | valdyn | MMXsad: why do you need it? |
| 09:15.29 | Marten | where can i set the default charmap under debian? |
| 09:15.34 | MMXsad | valdyn: what is the dhcpd? |
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| 09:15.41 | apt-get | wow |
| 09:15.50 | apt-get | any command that will pin it to the menue |
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| 09:15.55 | valdyn | MMXsad: theres no need at all for you to execute the binary directly |
| 09:15.56 | peet | how do i get enemy territory? |
| 09:15.59 | eriix | apt-get, I don't think it supports cd image burning, though. |
| 09:16.03 | trogger | menue is typically spelt menu. |
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| 09:16.07 | apt-get | I have no idea how to start nat |
| 09:16.08 | trogger | peet: attack someone? |
| 09:16.10 | MMXsad | valdyn: for execute dhcp? |
| 09:16.15 | MMXsad | valdyn: ok |
| 09:16.24 | apt-get | any program that will this is an emerrgancy |
| 09:16.27 | valdyn | MMXsad: /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server start|restart|stop |
| 09:16.37 | MMXsad | ok |
| 09:16.47 | valdyn | MMXsad: dpkg -L dhcp3-server | grep bin |
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| 09:17.11 | apt-get | apt-get ...... cd burner? |
| 09:17.22 | eriix | apt-get, It is not a seperate program. If you need to add it to the menu, then add the command "nautilus --no-desktop burn:" to the menu. |
| 09:17.39 | streuner_ | apt-get: just try the command-line (cli) - its easy and no big hassle with some GUI's |
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| 09:18.01 | MMXsad | valdyn: thanks |
| 09:18.01 | apt-get | file not found |
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| 09:18.16 | werdna | how do I check my locales settings? |
| 09:18.18 | Jeo | anybody knows a channel where I can ask about windows server 2000? |
| 09:18.21 | Q_Continuum | might I get some assistance configuring my resolution in terminal? |
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| 09:18.29 | Q_Continuum | not a clue, Jeo. |
| 09:18.30 | streuner_ | werdna: dpkg-reconfigure locales? |
| 09:18.36 | trogger | Jeo: what's that??? |
| 09:18.43 | apt-get | is there a command that will burn it through file roller |
| 09:18.48 | Jeo | sorry |
| 09:18.51 | Jeo | sorry |
| 09:18.57 | trogger | werdna: cat /etc/locale.gen |
| 09:19.03 | eriix | apt-get, more reasonably, however, you could just use cdrecord (cli -- much faster), or gtoaster, k3b, etc. (gui). |
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| 09:19.09 | apt-get | file roller is open right now just cant burn the ISO iamges |
| 09:19.11 | trogger | apt-get: no. |
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| 09:19.22 | Jeo | where I am work now, they have a Windows(blah) here |
| 09:19.25 | trogger | use file roller to extract the iso. |
| 09:19.35 | apt-get | K I already did |
| 09:19.43 | Jeo | I dont know even how to see which users are logged on! |
| 09:19.46 | apt-get | they are all extracted |
| 09:19.47 | trogger | Jeo: I read this: "Computers are like air conditioning. They don't work well if you open Windows." |
| 09:19.58 | Jeo | heheh |
| 09:20.00 | nvz | file-roller makes ISO images? |
| 09:20.15 | trogger | nvz: what?!?! |
| 09:20.15 | apt-get | I have no idea thats just how it opend |
| 09:20.19 | MMXsad | valdyn: can i use dhcpd, or what differenses bettwen them? |
| 09:20.24 | nvz | trogger: ?! |
| 09:20.25 | apt-get | I mean what it ipen with |
| 09:20.32 | Jeo | so...thatsit |
| 09:20.37 | skarg | Q_Continuum: http://linuxbasics.org/Members/SRM/Published/vga_set/view |
| 09:20.43 | Q_Continuum | thanks. |
| 09:20.47 | Jeo | but you dont know any channel? |
| 09:21.00 | golanx | a simple question guys: how many total debian packages in stable or testing? |
| 09:21.17 | nvz | golanx: /msg dpkg dstats woody |
| 09:21.20 | nvz | golanx: /msg dpkg dstats sarge |
| 09:21.42 | apt-get | I typed apt-get cd burner then instaled one just dont know how to make it booot |
| 09:21.44 | golanx | got it... but... what does it mean /msg at the beginning? |
| 09:21.59 | nvz | golanx: roughly 7,800 and 15,400 IIRC |
| 09:22.00 | apt-get | thid download took 3 hrs |
| 09:22.00 | trogger | golanx: type in that bit starting with /msg |
| 09:22.09 | apt-get | I'm afraid to close the windows |
| 09:22.09 | nvz | golanx: it sends a message to the bot |
| 09:22.12 | teprrr | SoS is a spammer.. :P |
| 09:22.13 | nvz | golanx: you do it in here |
| 09:22.16 | trogger | nvz: golanx: 8974 |
| 09:22.19 | nvz | golanx: not in your shell |
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| 09:22.25 | golanx | ok |
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| 09:23.24 | peet | so nobody knows where i can find the enemy territory debian package? |
| 09:23.25 | peet | =\ |
| 09:23.27 | ICU | OnJoin Message: *SoS* http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 09:23.58 | RedPenguin | I am trying to figure this out and I am not sure how to word this |
| 09:24.12 | trogger | RedPenguin: have a go. |
| 09:24.17 | chewy | hmm chmod doesnt seem to be changing ownership even though it "says" it did |
| 09:24.21 | simonrvn | @ops SoS ~sevgicaaa@85.97.89.110 is a spammer |
| 09:24.24 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS ~sevgicaaa@85.97.89.110 is a spammer |
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| 09:24.38 | trogger | chewy: checking with ls -l ? chmod won't change ownership, just the flags. |
| 09:24.50 | RedPenguin | I have a program where you rehash it after changes and it works for a while but then the SIGHUP no longer seems to work |
| 09:25.11 | trogger | RedPenguin: which program. |
| 09:25.18 | RedPenguin | I thought maybe it was the program but I run a couple UnrealIRCds and only one doesn't want to recieve the SIGHUP signal |
| 09:25.19 | eriix | chewy, use chown to change ownership. |
| 09:25.35 | chewy | im sorry that was a typo it should have read |
| 09:25.40 | valdyn_ | !op Ban this guy please: 10:23 <SoS> <url deleted> Free Porno Videos |
| 09:25.41 | chewy | hmm chown doesnt seem to be changing ownership even though it "says" it did |
| 09:25.46 | valdyn_ | !ops Ban this guy please: 10:23 <SoS> <url deleted> Free Porno Videos |
| 09:25.47 | RedPenguin | I checked with UnrealIRCd Support and they think it may be the OS because they never heard of it so I figured maybe ask in here |
| 09:25.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: Ban this guy please: 10:23 <SoS> <url deleted> Free Porno Videos |
| 09:26.15 | RedPenguin | If I remember correct, I had an UnrealIRCd do a similar thing on my one Debian machine but I could be wrong on that one |
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| 09:27.10 | streuner_ | Its always the same, we haven't an op at this time handy... |
| 09:27.21 | nvz | oh well |
| 09:27.23 | MMXsad | valdyn: can i use dhcpd or i should use dhcp3-server? |
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| 09:27.27 | kahless | hi |
| 09:27.28 | nvz | you shall perish |
| 09:27.40 | chewy | debian:/home/chewy# chown chewy chewy /home/chewy/biggig |
| 09:27.44 | w3seek | can someone please kick and ban SoS here? this is a bot who's sending spam to everybody who joins.... |
| 09:27.45 | chewy | is that correct syntax? |
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| 09:27.58 | werdna | nvz, not if I can genetically engineer nanomachines to cure the human body |
| 09:28.36 | RedPenguin | I am wondering what is going on, 5 out of the IRCds running on this Debian machine nicely recieve SIGHUP but only one for some reason, although working before, doesn't care to hear SIGHUP |
| 09:28.38 | nvz | werdnan the barbarian |
| 09:28.39 | kahless | w3seek: yes, hes querying a pornsite |
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| 09:28.56 | valdyn_ | MMXsad: dhcp3-server is a newer release of dhcpd ( which has major version 2 ), use whatever you like |
| 09:28.58 | w3seek | kahless: so can't someone band it here? |
| 09:29.10 | tga | SoS is a crappy pr0n bot |
| 09:29.13 | nvz | ops are sleeping |
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| 09:29.22 | kahless | w3seek: maybe a op :) |
| 09:29.49 | kahless | tga: ya right |
| 09:29.49 | w3seek | kahless: uhm i'm one but not in this channel...maybe i should invite him... lol |
| 09:29.49 | nvz | I should be sleeping, but somehow I am usually up at this time |
| 09:29.49 | tga | kahless: <SoS> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 09:29.59 | kahless | w3seek: yeah :) |
| 09:30.08 | kahless | tga: :) same here |
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| 09:30.12 | werdna | when I type apt-get -u dist-upgrade |
| 09:30.16 | werdna | it doesn't want to do anything |
| 09:30.18 | werdna | :( |
| 09:30.27 | trogger | werdna: have you done an apt-get update ? |
| 09:30.34 | werdna | yes |
| 09:30.39 | chewy | also when i use konquorer to try and change the owner as superuser it says i dont have enough permissions? |
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| 09:30.57 | chewy | brb gonna try it as "real" root |
| 09:31.00 | simonrvn | @ops SoS ~sevgicaaa@85.97.89.110 is a spammer |
| 09:31.02 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS ~sevgicaaa@85.97.89.110 is a spammer |
| 09:31.24 | rob^ | yep, i vouch for that |
| 09:31.53 | w3seek | kahless: the bot doesn't accept invitations :/ ;) |
| 09:32.04 | nvz | it's been the topic of the channel for like 10 minutes now we dont need vouchers we need ops :P |
| 09:32.16 | kahless | w3seek: hehe |
| 09:32.34 | tga | mm hacked slashdot |
| 09:32.36 | rob^ | yeah, I only just got here and got spammed |
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| 09:33.13 | chewy | woo free porno videos |
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| 09:33.39 | MMXsad | valdyn: ok, it's because dhcp3 it's not supported whith webmin, actually i use webmin because i'm newbie so i don't know the right config, actually thanks for all your help |
| 09:33.39 | rob^ | speaking of slashdot, wtf is going on? |
| 09:33.40 | nvz | well I am not an op an I don't want to hear about it anymore, so I am going to the /disco |
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| 09:34.14 | trogger | rob^: perhaps they have nothing more to say? |
| 09:34.14 | nvz | going on 4am, storm approaching from what my radar applet says |
| 09:34.36 | rob^ | trogger, lol that would be a first |
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| 09:36.15 | MMXsad | valdyn: i'm try learning about servers debian so i stablish a MMX 200MHZ for my lab of experiments, i'm alredy configure right SSH server, Samba, wu-ftp server & IPMASQ |
| 09:36.54 | MMXsad | valdyn: comming soon proxy server & dhcp |
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| 09:38.47 | MMXsad | valdyn: i'm sad because my AMD computer die |
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| 09:39.00 | vijay | debian |
| 09:39.20 | streuner_ | is great |
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| 09:39.58 | Thanatermesis | how to install XORG withow touch ubuntu ? |
| 09:40.01 | vijay | recently i have installed debian in compaq v2036 laptop |
| 09:40.05 | simonrvn | #ubuntu |
| 09:40.07 | Thanatermesis | (im in debian) |
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| 09:40.12 | streuner_ | Thanatermesis: /msg dpkg xorg |
| 09:40.21 | Thanatermesis | thx |
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| 09:40.28 | vijay | but my system keeps on hanging after some time |
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| 09:40.40 | sussudio | !ops SoS again... spambot blabla |
| 09:40.41 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk: SoS again... spambot blabla |
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| 09:40.51 | dfgsgsdfg | can someone pls bann this user <SoS> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
| 09:40.56 | dfgsgsdfg | lol |
| 09:40.56 | vijay | how should i check what is the problem |
| 09:40.58 | streuner_ | Thanatermesis: keep in mind, xorg isn't support in debian actually... |
| 09:41.04 | dalecp | hello |
| 09:41.20 | sussudio | gjergj: don't post the spam-url you idiot |
| 09:41.20 | simonrvn | gjergj: yes, we know. they've bee alerted |
| 09:41.22 | streuner_ | dfgs: a known problem ;-) |
| 09:41.24 | simonrvn | been* |
| 09:41.37 | Thanatermesis | streetcleaner, Im not installed xfree... if Im install xorg have problems? packets broken etc.. ? |
| 09:41.47 | gjergj | sussudio stfu |
| 09:41.49 | dalecp | ppl, is it possible to install ReiserFS 4 with debian? |
| 09:41.59 | streuner_ | Thanatermesis: read the factoid 'get xorg' |
| 09:42.00 | sussudio | gjergj: this makes you a spammer, you twit. |
| 09:42.41 | azreal | sussudio: thats his point |
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| 09:43.30 | sussudio | ok... anyone spamming the channel with the url is considered a spammer too and will be kicked. |
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| 09:44.12 | azreal | sussudio: thats like saying im deeply offended by http://bovine-anal.com/cows ! |
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| 09:44.34 | sussudio | azreal: an op will come around shortly for you. |
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| 09:44.48 | gjergj | sussudio: ... |
| 09:45.01 | streuner_ | gjergj: ... |
| 09:45.16 | azreal | sussudio: whatever, i didnt do anything, i was just makeing a point. |
| 09:46.06 | simonrvn | "making". where did you folks learn how to spell... |
| 09:46.31 | johnnyST | Is there some program that I can check when an account will expire or the password? |
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| 09:46.49 | simonrvn | shadow data |
| 09:47.04 | Q_Continuum | okay, what's the better nowadays, xfree86, or xorg, and what's the package name? |
| 09:47.08 | johnnyST | ok |
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| 09:47.56 | azreal | !tell Q_Continuum about polls |
| 09:48.02 | callipygous | what package do I apt-get to install XFree86 AND the fonts |
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| 09:48.12 | kahless | does anyone knows a mirror for "cdimage.debian.org", because it seems down for me. :( |
| 09:48.32 | Q_Continuum | okay, what's the package name for xorg, the fork of xfree86? |
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| 09:48.42 | tuxy | Hi. how to bench a 3d video card ? (with real bench tool, not those glxgears / glxinfo) |
| 09:48.44 | simonrvn | Q_Continuum: there isn't any |
| 09:48.44 | cowbud | sos is spamming on joins |
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| 09:48.48 | thetester | hello is there a deamon that check the cpu fan? |
| 09:48.52 | tga | cowbud: yes, we know |
| 09:48.52 | Q_Continuum | sos is spamming, yes. |
| 09:48.52 | simonrvn | cowbud: we know |
| 09:48.53 | jm_ | tuxy: torcs |
| 09:48.58 | cowbud | hah sorry |
| 09:49.00 | cowbud | ;) |
| 09:49.01 | tuxy | jm_, mmm ... |
| 09:49.04 | simonrvn | ding |
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| 09:49.08 | streuner_ | Q_Continuum: what simonrvn told you, but /msg dpkg xorg |
| 09:49.11 | cowbud | so you are saying there is no one here that can do shit ehh sad times.. |
| 09:49.18 | tga | --- SoS :No such nick/channel |
| 09:49.29 | azreal | !tell Q_Continuum about xorg |
| 09:49.32 | callipygous | videoturk??? |
| 09:49.32 | cowbud | tga he just quit.. |
| 09:49.36 | Q_Continuum | got it |
| 09:49.44 | callipygous | what turkish pr0n?? oh great, bitches with moustaches |
| 09:49.45 | gjergj | !seeb SoS |
| 09:49.49 | gjergj | !seen SoS |
| 09:49.49 | dpkg | gjergj: i haven't seen 'sos' |
| 09:49.51 | cowbud | blah don't waste your time.. |
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| 09:49.55 | cowbud | [01:48] <-- SoS has quit (Client Quit) |
| 09:49.55 | simonrvn | Md just g-lined or k-lined it |
| 09:50.07 | tga | yup, he did |
| 09:50.13 | streuner_ | Md? |
| 09:50.21 | simonrvn | join: Md joined #debian (md@md.staff.freenode) |
| 09:50.25 | simonrvn | quit: SoS quit (~sevgicaaa@85.97.89.110) (Client Quit) |
| 09:50.29 | simonrvn | part: Md parted #debian () |
| 09:50.30 | callipygous | what package do I apt-get to install XFree86 AND the fonts |
| 09:50.49 | gjergj | anyone have experience about netinst... im planning to install sarge... all tips is welcome |
| 09:51.10 | simonrvn | gjergj: insert cd/floppy, run install, done |
| 09:51.15 | callipygous | cus I installed xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:51.19 | callipygous | and there are no damn fonts |
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| 09:51.36 | streuner_ | simonrvn: Md has ops ? |
| 09:51.42 | gjergj | yeha im making cd.. do it install debian completsly from internet ? |
| 09:51.49 | simonrvn | callipygous: x-window-system(-core) |
| 09:51.57 | simonrvn | streuner_: staff, i.e., IRCop |
| 09:51.58 | miyo | callipygous: x-window-system-core |
| 09:52.06 | streuner_ | oh |
| 09:52.08 | hierbinichsimpso | SIMPSON??? |
| 09:52.17 | streuner_ | interesting |
| 09:52.24 | dalecp | resierFS? |
| 09:52.25 | Q_Continuum | how do I rerun the xfree86 config wizard? |
| 09:52.25 | cowbud | aber hier bin ich doch |
| 09:52.29 | dalecp | how-to? |
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| 09:52.47 | streuner_ | Q_Continuum: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 09:52.57 | callipygous | thanks miyo |
| 09:53.03 | simonrvn | too much winbloze for you... |
| 09:53.07 | streuner_ | cowbud: talk english |
| 09:53.10 | Q_Continuum | thanks |
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| 09:54.01 | simonrvn | dalecp: a howto for managing a filesystem? |
| 09:55.10 | dalecp | simonrvn: how-to install, how-to managing... |
| 09:55.38 | simonrvn | mkfs.reiser /dev/foo, man reiserfs... |
| 09:55.54 | miyo | dalecp: 'man mkreiserfs' |
| 09:56.38 | kahless | [repost] does anyone knows a mirror for "cdimage.debian.org", because it seems down for me. :( |
| 09:56.53 | simonrvn | @cdimage |
| 09:56.54 | ravenbird | simonrvn, cdimage.debian.org mirror at: http://www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
| 09:56.59 | PerfDave | [riposte] |
| 09:57.06 | hierbinichsimpso | simpson from BS wtf are u? |
| 09:57.10 | simonrvn | PerfDave: heh |
| 09:57.15 | dalecp | miyo: may i just install it with default debian package? |
| 09:57.17 | jm_ | [re;/msg dpkg cdimage mirror |
| 09:57.25 | simonrvn | hierbinichsimpso: stfuplskthxbye |
| 09:57.26 | streuner_ | !mhallsmite PerfDave |
| 09:57.27 | dpkg | Fuck PerfDave. Fuck it in the asshole with a big rubber dick. |
| 09:57.27 | PerfDave | !full cd advocacy |
| 09:57.27 | dpkg | full cd advocacy is, like, you can download the images while using your computer for something else, but you can't use your computer while Debian is netinstalling. It takes a full desktop install down to under half an hour from a couple of hours, even on ADSL. A full CD image will also have kernel source in case of problems. but only download the first cd, you greedy bastard. |
| 09:57.33 | cafuego | meh meh meh |
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| 09:57.53 | kahless | ravenbird: :) |
| 09:57.54 | ravenbird | ) is, like, the smile part of a face. |
| 09:57.58 | miyo | dalecp: apt-cache search reiserfs |
| 09:57.59 | possie | anyone know a commandline tool to convert jpeg to gif ? |
| 09:58.07 | PerfDave | possie: "convert" |
| 09:58.09 | miyo | possie: convert |
| 09:58.11 | cafuego | possie: 'convert' (from imagemagick) |
| 09:58.14 | miyo | possie: comes with imagemagick |
| 09:58.21 | Pumpkin_Pie | CONVERT MAN |
| 09:58.23 | possie | hhehe :) |
| 09:58.25 | possie | thanks all |
| 09:58.42 | dalecp | miyo - my question is after installing it, will I lose my data on old ext3? |
| 09:59.14 | miyo | dalecp: If you create reiserfs over already existing filesystem... of course you will lose the data. |
| 09:59.50 | miyo | dalecp: backup/move your data, make the reiserfs, restore/move data back |
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| 10:00.45 | dalecp | miyo: now, i have totally empty system, so from the begining i want to install all resiserfs... |
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| 10:02.16 | miyo | dalecp: While installing Debian you can choose to install it with reiserfs. |
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| 10:02.27 | callipygous | makes sense |
| 10:02.48 | no-id | good morning |
| 10:03.29 | callipygous | evening her |
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| 10:04.07 | PerfDave | !ricerfs |
| 10:04.07 | dpkg | ricerfs is probably the firework rocket of filesystems - it goes very fast then blows up with all your data. See "reiserfs" for real info. |
| 10:05.11 | no-id | callipygous: where u from ? |
| 10:05.19 | rob^ | lol |
| 10:05.28 | callipygous | australia :( |
| 10:05.55 | no-id | what a coincidence i was just trying to figure our what time it was in N.Z |
| 10:05.59 | callipygous | haha |
| 10:05.59 | rob^ | brisbane-ite hey |
| 10:06.04 | dalecp | miyo: - yes but where i can select it, in partitioning menu, there are no reiserfs |
| 10:06.09 | callipygous | hmmm nz is probably like 3 hours later than australia, iirc |
| 10:06.15 | callipygous | so here its |
| 10:06.18 | callipygous | Thu Feb 24 20:07:16 EST 2005 |
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| 10:07.18 | no-id | i have 3 people that i work with one is in N.Z the otherone is in Toronto and I am currently in London |
| 10:07.23 | no-id | its terrible |
| 10:07.53 | callipygous | heh |
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| 10:08.41 | dalecp | i think i have wrong version of linux... |
| 10:08.48 | streuner_ | heh |
| 10:08.48 | dalecp | woody? |
| 10:08.51 | tga | dalecp: the latest one is 10.1 |
| 10:09.16 | azreal | no-id: fish, chips, cup O` tea? |
| 10:09.34 | no-id | without further adue i should ask what i came here to ask ...and that is what imap and pop3d servers do you people use ? i am scrapping my cyrus plan ...cant get the users to work ...what is the easiest solution ? which one has a nice open source web based guy for user management etc etc ...maybe even a webmin module ... oh yeah by the way im canadian ....so no cup o tea for me |
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| 10:10.04 | tga | no-id: courier-pop3d and -imapd is alright |
| 10:10.05 | drp | off topic: anyone wanna help with an oracle query |
| 10:10.16 | tga | drp: you might have better luck in #sql |
| 10:10.33 | drp | looks slow in there tga |
| 10:10.41 | no-id | tga: what do you use for user management >? |
| 10:10.41 | paulswm | drp: what's the problem |
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| 10:11.06 | paulswm | webmin si teh suck |
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| 10:11.29 | apt-get | OK ow I knows whats wrong |
| 10:11.31 | kahless | hmm, i looked around, but i can't find a downloadable cd image of sarge. :( |
| 10:11.39 | miyo | no-id: Cyrus for big environments where simultaneous mailbox access by different parties is needed. |
| 10:11.40 | apt-get | mt kernel is to old to burn cds |
| 10:11.51 | apt-get | I knew something had to give |
| 10:11.54 | azreal | no-id: whats wrong with just ipopd? |
| 10:12.01 | drp | paulswm |
| 10:12.05 | miyo | no-id: For smaller ones postfix + dovecot |
| 10:12.08 | drp | i'll post it in #flood |
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| 10:12.34 | apt-get | dose anyone know a cd burner that wil work with an older kernel |
| 10:12.34 | paulswm | drp: OK I'm there |
| 10:12.54 | miyo | kahless: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 10:12.59 | no-id | miyo: i knew it ....damn it ...i always end up with more than i can chew .... |
| 10:13.09 | miyo | no-id: You knew it? |
| 10:13.15 | no-id | miyo: im just a little guy who needs a little server for little people |
| 10:13.24 | azreal | no-id: whats wrong with just ipopd? |
| 10:13.26 | apt-get | I'm getting an error mesage saying that the CD cant be burnt because the kernel is to old |
| 10:13.42 | werdna | how do I get time in date n-sync |
| 10:13.51 | miyo | no-id: dovecot is quite easy and claims to be secure. |
| 10:13.58 | kahless | miyo: but it points to cdimage.debian.org, ich seems down for me |
| 10:14.10 | apt-get | this is about as worthless as tits on a bore hog |
| 10:14.24 | no-id | azreal: i dont know ...whats wrong with it ? |
| 10:14.29 | jm_ | werdna: ntpdate |
| 10:14.31 | apt-get | we need some type of take a number system so people can obtain help |
| 10:14.41 | no-id | azreal: i am open to ALL options |
| 10:14.42 | miyo | kahless: Works fine for me. |
| 10:14.45 | azreal | no-id: nothing, so install it and use it |
| 10:14.58 | no-id | azreal: is ther imapd ? too ? |
| 10:15.07 | no-id | azreal: as simple as that ? |
| 10:15.08 | azreal | no, its a pop3 server |
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| 10:15.20 | no-id | i know but i need an imap server too |
| 10:15.26 | werdna | that was weird |
| 10:15.28 | miyo | no-id: dovecot is pop3 and imap |
| 10:15.35 | werdna | I synced my clock and some weird screen came up |
| 10:15.38 | jahi | someone knows a program, which can play mp3-file backwards? |
| 10:15.44 | azreal | no-id: listen to miyo then |
| 10:15.46 | werdna | is that suppost to happen jm_? |
| 10:15.53 | miyo | no-id: apt-cache show dovecot |
| 10:16.07 | jm_ | jahi: well alsaplayer can do that, convert it to wav if it can't handle mp3 files |
| 10:16.10 | no-id | miyo: does squirelmail and hore-imp work with it |
| 10:16.18 | jm_ | werdna: your time was probably way off so it triggered something that was sleeping |
| 10:16.30 | jahi | jm_: how can i do that with alsaplayer? |
| 10:16.32 | werdna | it was a day off |
| 10:16.35 | werdna | :) |
| 10:16.38 | werdna | thank you jm_ :) |
| 10:16.40 | miyo | no-id: I have setup one postfix + amavis + clamav + dovecot + squirrelmail beast. |
| 10:16.47 | jahi | jm_: a it has a gui :) |
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| 10:16.50 | miyo | no-id: So I would say... yes... at least for the squirrelmail part. |
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| 10:17.20 | no-id | what is amavis + clamav ? span filters ? |
| 10:17.23 | miyo | no-id: Though I have setup a lot more Cyrus environments. |
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| 10:18.06 | miyo | no-id: spam and virus slayers |
| 10:18.11 | cozwei | i did an apt-get upgrade an d my laptop freezed at the point pcmcia. so i restarted and typed "dpkg --configure -a". it freezed again at pcmcia. so what should i do? |
| 10:18.13 | no-id | miyo: i have cyrus running its just that there is no really good user management application |
| 10:18.38 | miyo | no-id: I like the tools it comes with. |
| 10:18.46 | miyo | no-id: CLI/TUI is the way for me. |
| 10:19.18 | no-id | miyo: but what if you want you users to say add alias to their email ? what then |
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| 10:19.29 | no-id | miyo: they email u everytime ? |
| 10:19.44 | miyo | no-id: What kind of aliases are we talking about? |
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| 10:20.21 | azreal | no-id: ipopd was part of uw-imapd. im assumeing they would work together for a simplistic setup. |
| 10:20.29 | no-id | as in user has an account user@domain.com and he wants to add an alias where info@domain.com points to user@domain.com |
| 10:20.53 | miyo | no-id: Yes, they contact me or other admins for that kind of addition. |
| 10:20.54 | jahi | jm_: how do i convert the mp3 to wav? |
| 10:21.09 | miyo | no-id: And it is not done in Cyrus nor Dovecot configs... they just serve mails. |
| 10:21.38 | Moddy[nasnesport | Heyall, im running an adaptec scsi backplane, i have the drivers but in what format do i need to have them for the installer to recognise that they are indeed on the floppy disk |
| 10:22.02 | miyo | no-id: http://www.postfix.org/aliases.5.html |
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| 10:22.20 | no-id | miyo: thats too much work ... i need a mail system that has another web-gui ...project for it .... as web-cyradmin is shit ... and after 4 of work i still cant get it to work |
| 10:22.28 | jm_ | jahi: mpg321 or xmms |
| 10:22.35 | sep | EXT3-fs error (device sd(8,1)) in start_transaction: Journal has aborted -- this loops over and over on all consoles, this is woody with backport kernel 2.4.27 on a 3ware ata raid with 4 drives in raid5, it also occasionally spit out say I/O error and varios sectors. if there was a drive error, shouldt the 3ware disable the drive and just run degraded, but the 3ware utillities claim all is well. |
| 10:22.38 | jahi | ok thx u |
| 10:22.45 | jahi | thank you i mean |
| 10:23.30 | hugl3 | Hello all. I'm using spamassassin for spam checking, but somehow my subjects are not rewriten, to add "**SPAM**" at the beggining of the subject. but when I sool at teh source of email, I see smth like that: "X-Spam-Status: Yes, hits=7.2 required=5.0" |
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| 10:23.57 | azreal | shit, running out of hd space is like being overweight. now i have to go on a diet. |
| 10:24.10 | drp | azreal, lol |
| 10:24.35 | tga | azreal: just delete the pr0n |
| 10:24.46 | miyo | no-id: What application you use for serving mails (pop, imap) does not need to affect aliasing |
| 10:24.52 | sep | azreal: keep the p0rn delete the warez |
| 10:24.53 | miyo | no-id: As it can happen on different level. |
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| 10:25.09 | azreal | i deleted that a long time ago, except for the scans of playmates |
| 10:25.40 | azreal | no warez either, i have alot of movies and tv shows |
| 10:26.33 | azreal | as long as / doesnt fill up im ok for a bit. |
| 10:26.49 | PerfDave | Disk space is cheap! :) |
| 10:27.00 | azreal | all i need now, is some really freakin long log file or something |
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| 10:27.18 | cozwei | how can i undo changes by apt-upgrade? i'd like to delete something what "dpkf --configure -a" would do |
| 10:27.37 | azreal | PerfDave: im waiting for my tax return, so i can buy a 160g external, for storeage |
| 10:27.48 | azreal | PerfDave: any day now. |
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| 10:29.51 | cozwei | how can i use debhelper? |
| 10:29.53 | paulswm | drp: see message in #flood |
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| 10:31.29 | callipygous | how do I find out the proper V and H sync for my monitor? |
| 10:31.43 | callipygous | its a single mode monitor, and old 640x480 |
| 10:31.47 | callipygous | no docs |
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| 10:32.49 | sep | callipygous you could try http://www.griffintechnology.com/archive/monitor.html |
| 10:32.52 | jm_ | callipygous: it will do 35kHz |
| 10:33.16 | linnuxxy | im trying to download the ISOs of debian |
| 10:33.34 | linnuxxy | the merrors r all overloaded |
| 10:33.35 | jetscreamer | !tell linnuxxy about d-i |
| 10:33.36 | callipygous | its and old apple color display |
| 10:33.36 | SlayerXP | linnuxxy: why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 10:33.51 | cozwei | which is the configfile dpgk uses for an "dpkg --configure -a"? |
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| 10:34.04 | jetscreamer | in the package |
| 10:34.13 | jetscreamer | install scripts |
| 10:34.57 | cozwei | whre can i find these install scripts? |
| 10:35.02 | jetscreamer | in the .deb |
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| 10:35.27 | linnuxxy | anybody kindly suggest a good merror to download the debian ISOs...all the ones i tryed are overloaded!!! |
| 10:35.32 | cozwei | i mv the .deb to /dev/null. but dpkg still tries to install it |
| 10:35.33 | jetscreamer | they get unpacked on install, but i'm not sur ewhere |
| 10:35.37 | azreal | linnuxxy: use bittorrent to get deb iso |
| 10:35.44 | jetscreamer | cozwei, that's different |
| 10:35.54 | jetscreamer | that's the list of stuff to install |
| 10:36.20 | azreal | linnuxxy: that will not happen if you use bittorrent |
| 10:36.31 | miyo | cozwei: man dpkg-deb |
| 10:36.32 | callipygous | hey sep that url you gave me.... when i try to search for a monitor, gives "invalid script call" |
| 10:36.33 | jetscreamer | linnuxxy, http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ports-status |
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| 10:37.34 | cozwei | the problem is: i did an apt-get upgrade. then my lap frezzes because of pcmcia, so i want to tell dpkg --configure -a to don't change anything on pcmcia-cs |
| 10:38.18 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.37 | jetscreamer | then reboot and fix it |
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| 10:38.46 | jetscreamer | if that's what you want to do |
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| 10:40.47 | trc | want to expand a partition to a free area 'left from it', closer to the begining of the disk. does anyone knows a trick that makes parted do it?, or any other way? |
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| 10:40.56 | cozwei | oh yes! now it fails to install pcmcia-cs :) thanks :) maybe my gnome will come back now too ;-( |
| 10:41.00 | ThomasAH | hi! |
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| 10:41.19 | callipygous | it has a dot pitch of .26mm |
| 10:41.23 | callipygous | is that helpful...hahahha |
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| 10:42.13 | ThomasAH | (or is there a better channel to ask?) |
| 10:42.28 | callipygous | dunno |
| 10:42.39 | jm_ | thomas_adam: maybe try the dm-crypt home page and see how it fits in |
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| 10:42.40 | callipygous | just letting you know i hear you, but have no idea whatsoever |
| 10:42.45 | jm_ | ThomasAH see above |
| 10:42.56 | jm_ | thomas_adam: sorry, wasn't for you |
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| 10:44.38 | ThomasAH | jm: ok, I'll look there. (ircII from woody just crashed with a segfault :( ) |
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| 10:47.14 | callipygous | wtf? |
| 10:47.48 | miyo | ThomasAH: Use irssi :P |
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| 10:48.20 | jim | is there a tool that gives you a dos mbr -other- than (dos) fdisk /mbr? |
| 10:48.32 | ThomasAH | whoever just recommended irssi, you're right ... segfault seems reproducible |
| 10:48.50 | miyo | jim: apt-cache show mbr |
| 10:48.54 | linnuxxy | azreal: bitTorrent require 107 hr to download 1 CD |
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| 10:48.56 | miyo | jim: Though it is not really dos mbr. |
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| 10:48.57 | linnuxxy | :( |
| 10:49.16 | jim | miyo: I thought of that... but does it boot partitions? |
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| 10:49.48 | cozwei | jetscreamer: i now have just a terminal instead of the gnome. but X is running. You have a clue what that could be? |
| 10:49.49 | miyo | jim: boot partitions? |
| 10:49.50 | keko_ | hi, i have sarge installed in my llaptop, what is best method to install minimal gnome desktop |
| 10:49.54 | miyo | jim: You mea nboot sector? |
| 10:50.01 | miyo | s/mea nboot/mean boot/ |
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| 10:50.13 | jim | well, right, the boot sector of hda1 specifically |
| 10:50.32 | ThomasAH | ah, the problem with ircII is my nick completion script. It can't handle this large channel |
| 10:50.46 | callipygous | whats the best computer to learn to program on? |
| 10:50.49 | callipygous | an old apple II? |
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| 10:50.59 | keko_ | hi, i have sarge installed in my llaptop, what is best method to install minimal gnome desktop |
| 10:51.02 | keko_ | i have very small hdd :( |
| 10:51.05 | jim | callipygous: put linux on a pc |
| 10:51.08 | cafuego | callipygous: Not really, no. |
| 10:51.17 | callipygous | why a pc? |
| 10:51.21 | callipygous | ive got linux on a mac |
| 10:51.24 | miyo | keko_: Why gnome? |
| 10:51.32 | miyo | keko_: xfce, icewm, etc... |
| 10:51.34 | cafuego | callipygous: install Linux, pick a language, install support for that language, install docs for that language, enjoy. |
| 10:51.35 | jim | oh you do? that's fine too |
| 10:51.50 | callipygous | why not some ancient machine that you had to know how to program on ? |
| 10:51.56 | miyo | ThomasAH: irssi comes with nick completion.. no need to script it =) |
| 10:51.57 | jim | linux/unix was designed for development |
| 10:51.58 | cafuego | callipygous: just don't pick x86-asm |
| 10:52.11 | ThomasAH | miyo: That's why I said you're right :) |
| 10:52.12 | sep | keko_: i guess gnome-core is the essesials, but there are smaller alternatives as miyo points out |
| 10:52.13 | petemc | cafuego: if you already know, then you're not learning how to program |
| 10:52.15 | petemc | gah |
| 10:52.20 | petemc | callipygous: ^^^ |
| 10:52.25 | potemkin | is it my firefox, or is slashdot having some mod_gzip problems? |
| 10:52.28 | jim | callipygous: get squeak |
| 10:52.33 | petemc | potemkin: its not working here either |
| 10:52.34 | cafuego | callipygous: Coz you can run a BASIC environment on yer Linux box too. Why bother using amachine that runs it 2000 times slow? |
| 10:52.34 | jim | learn to program that |
| 10:52.40 | callipygous | cafuego: why not nasm? |
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| 10:52.46 | potemkin | hm! |
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| 10:52.53 | callipygous | cafuego: naustalgia |
| 10:52.55 | jim | you'll learn oop from the original oop language |
| 10:53.04 | cafuego | callipygous: /msg dokg troll |
| 10:53.09 | keko_ | sep: thnx.. do it work only like this if i install apt-get install gnome-core, or do i have to install also x-window-system |
| 10:53.12 | cafuego | jim: INTERCAL? |
| 10:53.14 | callipygous | umm dokg troll? |
| 10:53.22 | callipygous | you want me to type that? |
| 10:53.26 | keko_ | miyo: What you prefer |
| 10:53.32 | sep | gnome-core will pull what it needs methinks |
| 10:53.37 | miyo | keko_: I myself... IceWM |
| 10:53.45 | miyo | keko_: Some like Xfce more. |
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| 10:53.54 | miyo | keko_: Check their homepages to see what they are like. |
| 10:54.05 | callipygous | 20:54 -!- dokg: No such nick/channel |
| 10:54.07 | keko_ | miyo: thanx.. |
| 10:54.12 | jim | callipygous: someone probably thinks you're trolling |
| 10:54.14 | miyo | keko_: www.icewm.org, www.xfce.org |
| 10:54.16 | jim | and it's dpkg |
| 10:54.26 | callipygous | oh |
| 10:54.38 | callipygous | what exactly is trolling? doesn't that mean your trying to annoy somebody? |
| 10:54.46 | jim | but seriously... if you're nostalgic, get squeak |
| 10:54.47 | keko_ | sep: you think gnome-core will install all that i need.. no x needed to install it will install by it self needed components |
| 10:55.00 | jim | it's -quite- nice |
| 10:55.10 | callipygous | thanks |
| 10:55.14 | callipygous | im just curious |
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| 10:55.30 | jim | well, I still like atari 800s |
| 10:55.43 | callipygous | don't know anything about ataris |
| 10:55.44 | jim | for the way the os was set up |
| 10:55.51 | cozwei | if i login at login shell, i just get an terminal window, but no kde or gnome. what can i do? |
| 10:55.53 | callipygous | tho I'd love to have an old Amiga, but not a Commodre |
| 10:56.06 | cafuego | cozwei: Install kde or gnome and run 'startx'. |
| 10:56.08 | jim | an amiga is comodore |
| 10:56.30 | jim | but it's not a comodore pet or 84 |
| 10:56.36 | ricky_clarkson | CoMModore |
| 10:56.45 | cafuego | <troll> Isn't an amiga a lobotomised 680x0 Mac?</troll> |
| 10:56.45 | PerfDave | Hmm, if I set "timeout" to 0 in /boot/grub/menu.lst, will that not automatically boot a kernel? Or do I need to comment out that line entirely? |
| 10:57.00 | cozwei | cafuego: X is already running |
| 10:57.09 | jim | ricky_clarkson: wow... don't you think those Ms are a little tall? :) |
| 10:57.19 | callipygous | haha, xml troll, classic |
| 10:57.21 | cozwei | cafuego: and gnome and kde are already installed |
| 10:57.25 | cafuego | cozwei: Uh, do you login at the shell? or not? |
| 10:57.31 | callipygous | coMM? |
| 10:57.37 | cozwei | yeah i did. the X shell |
| 10:57.37 | ricky_clarkson | commodore - two 'm's. |
| 10:57.44 | cozwei | cafuego: yeah i did. the X shell |
| 10:57.47 | cafuego | cozwei: So no, not the shell. But C. |
| 10:57.50 | cafuego | X even |
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| 10:58.00 | callipygous | i dunno amiga commodore and atari were all in bed at some stage |
| 10:58.13 | cozwei | cafuego: C ?? |
| 10:58.13 | callipygous | but some of those amigas were truely advanced multimedia computers for their time |
| 10:58.17 | ricky_clarkson | They're in their grave now. |
| 10:58.20 | cafuego | cozwei: install 'kdm' or 'gdm' they'll allow you to pick what you want to run (KDE or Gnome or twm) |
| 10:58.27 | jim | hey, thanks for correcting my spelling... you must be a great teacher :) |
| 10:58.34 | callipygous | perhaps, but they were 10 years ahead of x86's |
| 10:58.39 | ricky_clarkson | callipygous: Yes, with a shitty marketing department (Commodore). |
| 10:58.48 | ThomasAH | Ah, LVM2 can be configured to accept device mapper as a pv in /etc/lvm/lvm.conf (found it in the dm-crypt wiki) |
| 10:58.51 | cozwei | cafuego: gdm is already running. i think thats where i login always ;) |
| 10:58.53 | ricky_clarkson | jim: I'm amazing. |
| 10:58.54 | sep | ricky_clarkson: bah my amiga is working still so it't can't be that dead yet |
| 10:58.57 | jim | it was Jack Tramiel at one point |
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| 10:59.08 | cafuego | cozwei: Then pick a session from the sessions menu before you log in. |
| 10:59.10 | ricky_clarkson | sep: It's like an old person. Hardly got any memory. |
| 10:59.14 | jim | ricky_clarkson: of that I have little doubt... |
| 10:59.33 | jim | pedantic... but amazingly so nonetheless ;) |
| 10:59.34 | sep | ricky_clarkson: the os didnt need so much so it's never filled anyway. |
| 10:59.49 | Erpo | Hello all. The other day I used a fedora core 3 machine. I plugged my usb flash drive into the system and an icon for it appeared on my gnome desktop automatically. Does anyone know how to get that to happen in debian testing? |
| 11:00.15 | ricky_clarkson | sep: The OS was in ROM. |
| 11:00.23 | sep | Erpo: i guess that is hotplug ? |
| 11:00.29 | sep | ricky_clarkson: it still is |
| 11:00.30 | cozwei | cafuego: i tried that already. both (kde and gnome) doesn't work anymore. i just get a terminal window left upper corner. i have mouse, but no utils of gnome or kde. that problem appeared after an apt-get upgrade |
| 11:00.37 | ricky_clarkson | sep: Doubtful. |
| 11:00.50 | Erpo | sep: I have no idea how it happened. I was very surprised. |
| 11:01.00 | cafuego | cozwei: So it's going into failsafe mode, meaning osmehting is broken. Did you check your ~/.xsession-errors? |
| 11:01.07 | sep | ricky_clarkson: on my box it still is, i wasn't talking about nowadays, |
| 11:01.18 | sep | it sameas like amiga inc only makes software or somwething now |
| 11:02.14 | ricky_clarkson | ""Two More Weeks"tm is a time-honored Amiga community unit of time that can be roughly translated as "When H*ll Freezes Over"" |
| 11:02.29 | PerfDave | Erpo: Install gnome-volume-manager, but it'll install udev which still has bugs. |
| 11:02.29 | ricky_clarkson | Heh, we could apply that to sarge, instead of RSN ;) |
| 11:02.54 | sep | ricky_clarkson: hy you think i feel so at home in debian :)) |
| 11:03.28 | ricky_clarkson | Took a couple of parses. |
| 11:03.30 | callipygous | yeah |
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| 11:03.50 | jcalavia | hi |
| 11:03.57 | sep | my leet typing skills fail again |
| 11:03.59 | Erpo | PerfDave: Thanks! |
| 11:04.05 | cozwei | cafuego: interesting. in xsession-errors i have several errors: /etc/gdm/Xsession: line x: no authorisation |
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| 11:04.19 | ricky_clarkson | !seen sml |
| 11:04.19 | dpkg | sml <~pioggia@fw.gmsl.co.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 23h 14m 23s ago, saying: 'ricky_clarkson: snow update: BLIZZARDS'. |
| 11:04.31 | jcalavia | can anybody tell me a webcam model that works with kernel 2.4.X |
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| 11:05.04 | Erpo | PerfDave: Hmm. It says gnome-volume-manager is already the most recent version. |
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| 11:05.59 | freddec | is someone have allready use jigdo to create DVD's iso ? |
| 11:06.01 | sep | ricky_clarkson: my amiga could run a pretty good linuxppc on the ppc board, unfortunatly that cpu died a while ago so im back to just the mc68040 now |
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| 11:06.42 | PerfDave | jim: I guess we're all entitled to our opinions. |
| 11:06.48 | jim | and landed -hard-, too :) |
| 11:07.11 | freddec | someone speaking french here please ? |
| 11:07.13 | ianpeters | I'm seeking help concerning Nautilus and Icewm......and yes, I've googled |
| 11:07.19 | PerfDave | directhex|work: That doesn't stop ALSA ;) |
| 11:07.20 | jim | PerfDave: you'd be able to apply pro audio thingys to it... effects, professional quality recording, etc |
| 11:07.21 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 11:07.21 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 11:07.30 | miyo | ianpeters: Just ask. |
| 11:07.33 | ricky_clarkson | sep: My Amiga is an A1200. |
| 11:07.37 | PerfDave | jim: I guess we're all entitled to our opinions. |
| 11:07.38 | callipygous | wow |
| 11:07.41 | callipygous | you have an amiga? |
| 11:07.42 | ThomasAH | freddec: downloaded via jigdo, yes. Or created a jigdo image from a DVD iso? |
| 11:07.43 | ricky_clarkson | sep: I could do with (finding and) resurrecting it. |
| 11:07.47 | ricky_clarkson | callipygous: Somewhere. |
| 11:08.05 | jim | you said that already :P care to back it up/ |
| 11:08.08 | jim | ? |
| 11:08.10 | ianpeters | How do you get normal (not generic ) icons in Nautilus if you run it outside GNOME? |
| 11:08.14 | directhex|work | PerfDave, alsa has at least 7 more apps than jack |
| 11:08.18 | freddec | create an iso image via jigdo ThomasAH |
| 11:08.22 | Shadur | Okay, I'm trying to get systemimager to use rsync over ssh with a command-restricted DSA key to update its images so I can crontab it safely. |
| 11:08.24 | miyo | ianpeters: ermm... |
| 11:08.37 | directhex|work | ianpeters, your window manager needs a gnome-setting-daemon or compatible daemon running |
| 11:08.44 | PerfDave | jim: Nothing uses jack. There's no decent pro audio software for Linux anyway, and if there were it'd use ALSA. |
| 11:08.48 | ianpeters | ok |
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| 11:08.57 | jim | ardour |
| 11:08.58 | ThomasAH | freddec: Did this two times for sarge images, works fine |
| 11:08.59 | ianpeters | how do I apply that smoothly? |
| 11:09.01 | Shadur | I've actually (gasp in shock) gotten the command= and from= part to work, but when I tried it out in the wild I got a buffer overflow in receive_file_entry |
| 11:09.03 | miyo | ianpeters: run 'gnome-settings-daemon&' |
| 11:09.17 | ianpeters | right |
| 11:09.32 | ianpeters | can I put it in a session file to start automatically? |
| 11:09.36 | cozwei | cafuego: it says no authorisation already on line 1. does that mean, gdm has no authorisation to run ./bin/sh ? |
| 11:09.54 | cafuego | cozwei: ./bin/sh ? |
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| 11:10.02 | freddec | i've a probleme for the first DVD image, some packet are "error 404", i've try 4 or 5 mirror but it's always the same |
| 11:10.03 | PerfDave | Gah, fuck Grub, fuck it in its stupid arse. |
| 11:10.13 | jim | alsa is sound output and input, not interapp transport |
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| 11:10.26 | cafuego | !cafuegosmite grub |
| 11:10.36 | jim | hah |
| 11:10.38 | ThomasAH | freddec: the sarge image for powerpc from 20050218 workes perfectly. Didn't try ix86 though |
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| 11:10.46 | cozwei | cafuego: xsession-errors says no authorisation in /etc/gdm/Xsession line 1. and line 1 is #!/bin/sh |
| 11:10.47 | miyo | ianpeters: if you start X from console (startx) then you can add that line in .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 11:11.06 | cafuego | cozwei: That's not the same as './bin/sh' now is it? |
| 11:11.09 | ianpeters | right, and if I start it via GDM? |
| 11:11.38 | miyo | ianpeters: Well, you can always start it manually from terminal |
| 11:11.38 | cozwei | cafuego: no it's not the same :) it is #!/bin/sh in the file |
| 11:11.47 | cafuego | cozwei: Try logging ionto KDE or GNome as root and see what happens. |
| 11:11.48 | miyo | ianpeters: Or you can edit the session startup-files. |
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| 11:12.13 | ianpeters | well, thank you for your time ppl |
| 11:12.49 | keko_ | sep: i just tryed that what you said, apt-get install gnome-core. and i installed it. but didnt work. are you sure i do not have to install X also |
| 11:13.19 | cozwei | cafuego: gdm doesn't allow me to log in as root |
| 11:13.38 | keko_ | cozwei yeah |
| 11:13.42 | keko_ | it do not |
| 11:14.03 | keko_ | cozwei how did you install youre gnome |
| 11:14.15 | keko_ | what command you use |
| 11:14.19 | cozwei | keko_: with apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:14.33 | keko_ | only that :) |
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| 11:14.36 | keko_ | ? |
| 11:14.45 | cozwei | keko_: after that i tried to fix it with apt-get install gdm |
| 11:15.11 | cozwei | keko_: thats all |
| 11:15.39 | keko_ | cozwei: i have installed only gnome-core |
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| 11:16.04 | keko_ | do i need also to install XFREE86 |
| 11:16.11 | freddec | ThomasAH, I'm on I586 plarform, |
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| 11:17.02 | SkippedySkop | hey guys, UID's, like 22293 for example, how is it decided by passwd? is it just a random number for the uid? |
| 11:17.06 | keko_ | lol nobody helping me with this simple question |
| 11:17.10 | fabietto | Hi at all. How can I see which kind of grapghic chipset is used by my notebook? I compiled a 2.6.8 kernel, but when i try to boot it, after few seconds, i get a black screen... |
| 11:17.21 | valdyn | fabietto: lspci |
| 11:17.29 | freddec | someone else i've used jigdo for create dvd on ix86 plarform ? |
| 11:17.36 | fabietto | valdyn: so simple? :-D |
| 11:17.38 | ThomasAH | freddec: Maybe some of these images got removed. Try to download them manually on snapshot.debian.net and feed them to jigdo |
| 11:18.01 | fabietto | ok... it seems to be a VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility U1 |
| 11:19.14 | jim | so you could try the ati driver or radeon driver |
| 11:19.15 | valdyn | fabietto: your system may be trying to use a video mode which your display cannot handle, vga=<somenumber> passed to kernel to select vid mode |
| 11:19.37 | freddec | i'm newbie, i must find every packet errored 404 on snapshot.debian.net and feed them to jigdo ( ThomasAH) ? |
| 11:19.42 | jim | you should first try vga=ask |
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| 11:20.14 | keko_ | i have basic minimal debian sarge installed in my pc and gnome-core installed in, do i need to install also Xfree to start it, i want a minimal installtion! |
| 11:20.29 | jim | that will tell you all numbers acceptable to that card and display that you can feed to vga= |
| 11:20.33 | ThomasAH | freddec: Yes, if there are only 4-5 errors this should be easy. Place them in any directory. Jigdo will ask you for existing directories to be scanned, add this directory there. |
| 11:20.36 | fabietto | in menuconfig, i selected: VGA-16 color graphics support, vesa vga graphics support, hercules mono graphics support, ATI radeon display support (old driver), ati radeon display support, ati rage128 display support, ati mach 64 display support, SiS acceleration, sis300 series support and sis315/330 series support |
| 11:20.37 | valdyn | keko_: apt-get install x-window-system-core xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:20.47 | cozwei | keko_: i think yes, but i'm not sure |
| 11:20.49 | freddec | ThomasAH, when he ask me if He must scan a directory a the start of the script ? |
| 11:21.19 | valdyn | keko_: yes you do because X apps can be displayed remotely gnome does not depend on xserver-xfree86 |
| 11:21.20 | fabietto | valdyn: i've got a similar setting into /etc/lilo.conf ... i tried with vga=normal, but the problem is the same |
| 11:21.25 | ThomasAH | freddec: yes, before downloading anything |
| 11:21.25 | freddec | lol ThomasAH, i were writing that ! same time as you ! |
| 11:21.32 | ThomasAH | :) |
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| 11:21.46 | freddec | excuse if my english is not verygood ! |
| 11:22.03 | takatumi | fabietto: try vga=791 |
| 11:22.03 | freddec | I have not lisren at school ! |
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| 11:22.11 | valdyn | fabietto: vga=ask is a good idea, or use whichever setting a functioning kernel had, or compile in vesafb to get a greater variety of vid modes to chose from |
| 11:22.23 | keko_ | valdyn: than |
| 11:22.24 | keko_ | x |
| 11:22.40 | jim | freddec: it's good enough for us to understand... but what language do you speak? |
| 11:22.52 | kalila | is slashdot borked, i get a blank page |
| 11:22.54 | kalila | o_O |
| 11:22.58 | freddec | my pb is that there is a lot of packet on error 404 (I'm frenchy boy) |
| 11:23.24 | jim | oh, ok... if you don't find out here, you can try #debian-fr |
| 11:23.33 | jim | I think that's the right now |
| 11:23.40 | jim | I think that's the right name even |
| 11:24.01 | ThomasAH | can I specify at the bootloader prompt to load USB driver for keyboard in emergency boot mode? |
| 11:24.10 | fabietto | valdyn, takatumi: i've got the vga=normal (i also tried vga=791 for the framebuffer) line in the /etc/lilo.conf before the section of images to boot... is it regular? |
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| 11:24.37 | freddec | ThomasAH, do you thonk i can try the debian miror which are not "fr" mirror ? |
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| 11:24.59 | ThomasAH | freddec: yes, try de or nl |
| 11:25.09 | cozwei | cafuego: it runs as root. i did su in failsafe mode and run /usr/bin/gnome-session. you have a clue what i have to change? |
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| 11:25.18 | Luca | hello somebody knows plone? |
| 11:25.40 | jim | plone is a postgres thing isn't it? |
| 11:25.49 | Luca | no |
| 11:25.50 | freddec | good, and i will not have prob for fr Local at the install ? ( homasAH) |
| 11:25.51 | fabietto | valdyn, takatumi: can i use #flood to show you my /etc/lilo.conf file? |
| 11:25.54 | jim | duplication? |
| 11:25.57 | takatumi | fabietto: I don't know lilo syntax, but I get a blank screen too without vga=791 or 792 (radeon340) |
| 11:26.00 | jim | replication rather? |
| 11:26.16 | Luca | www.plone.org |
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| 11:26.23 | ThomasAH | freddec: no, the images are all the same |
| 11:26.31 | ThomasAH | (multi language) |
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| 11:26.46 | jim | ok, the answer is no... I don'T know plone |
| 11:26.54 | Luca | ok |
| 11:26.59 | fabietto | takatumi: ah ok... but in my opinion, the strange thing is that all the kernels works with this setting (vga=normal or vga=791), but the kernel 2.6.8 doesn't... |
| 11:27.02 | Luca | and zope? |
| 11:27.04 | Luca | :) |
| 11:27.12 | freddec | yhé, thank for your help ThomasAH, Now i must go to eat (it's 12h00 at Paris ) lol |
| 11:27.16 | jim | I know openacs better |
| 11:27.36 | jim | and zope none exceot what it is |
| 11:27.48 | cozwei | cafuego: i will try an apt-get dist-upgrade now |
| 11:27.59 | takatumi | fabietto: it works with 2.6.8, you must have messed up the config. |
| 11:28.09 | jim | you might try /msg dpkg sicco |
| 11:28.18 | jim | and /msg dpkg ask to ask |
| 11:28.45 | Luca | there are some italian chat for debian or linux? |
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| 11:28.52 | jim | and maybe /msg dpkg cooperation in asking for help |
| 11:28.52 | takatumi | fabietto: self compiled kernel? |
| 11:29.01 | fabietto | takatumi: yes... :/ |
| 11:29.51 | takatumi | fabietto: http://gpoppy.org/config-2.6.8vin0810 might help, vga=792 works with this. |
| 11:30.11 | jim | Luca: for linux? possibly somewhere... maybe on some other irc net too |
| 11:30.31 | fabietto | Luca: #debian-it |
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| 11:31.17 | takatumi | fabietto: grep your config for CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT |
| 11:31.20 | Erpo | I'm running debian testing with hal, udev, hotplug, and gnome-volume-manager installed. By all the documentation, I should be able to plug in a usb flash drive and have it automounted, but it doesn't work. Any suggestions? |
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| 11:31.52 | jim | why "it doesn't work"? |
| 11:31.57 | fabietto | takatumi: how can i do this? |
| 11:32.19 | takatumi | fabietto: grep CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT /path/to/.config |
| 11:33.07 | fabietto | takatumi: CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT = y |
| 11:33.17 | Erpo | Once I plug it in I can use the appropriate mount command on /dev/sda1 to access it, but it's not automatically mounted and no icon is automatically placed on my desktop. |
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| 11:33.44 | no-id | , |
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| 11:34.58 | jim | Erpo: ahh... an icon on your desktop would be something built into gnome... as far as the automount itself, msybe this gnome vol mgr is misconfigured somehow? |
| 11:35.12 | Chameleon22 | is there a way to flush cached dns entry in the system and make it use hosts file entry instead ? |
| 11:35.18 | jim | is it supposed to be able to automount the usb stick |
| 11:35.20 | jim | ? |
| 11:35.56 | PerfDave | Erpo: Is the flash drive not mounting, or is the icon not appearing on your desktop? The two are different things. |
| 11:36.08 | miyo | Chameleon22: What dns-cache are you using? |
| 11:36.19 | miyo | Chameleon22: And check /etc/nsswitch.conf |
| 11:36.24 | Chameleon22 | ta |
| 11:36.29 | jim | PerfDave: he said neither before |
| 11:36.36 | PerfDave | jim: Oops, my bad |
| 11:36.39 | miyo | Chameleon22: ta? |
| 11:37.00 | Chameleon22 | miyo: sorry, aussie slang, means thanks |
| 11:37.18 | petemc | Chameleon22: not just aussie, used in uk too |
| 11:37.31 | Chameleon22 | err ye would be originally from uk |
| 11:37.41 | Chameleon22 | and adopted in aus |
| 11:37.44 | miyo | 'Hantale' is being used amongst quenya speakers. |
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| 11:38.47 | fabietto | takatumi if i try to remove the framebuffer from the new kernel configuration, can i get some change? |
| 11:38.51 | Chameleon22 | hosts: files dns <-- does that mean hosts file gets resolved first ? |
| 11:39.05 | cozwei | if i start gnome-session as normal user, i get several permission denieds. which file i hace to fix? |
| 11:40.50 | cozwei | if i start gnome-session as normal user, i get several permission denieds. it says in ~/.xsession-errors: /etc/gdm/Xsession: line 1: /dev/null permission denied |
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| 11:41.50 | jm_ | heh your system is fucked up |
| 11:42.12 | cozwei | permissins for /dev/null -rw-r--r-- roor root |
| 11:42.17 | cozwei | jm_: mine? |
| 11:42.40 | jm_ | cozwei: yes |
| 11:42.46 | takatumi | fabietto: I get a blank screen without framebuffer, check the config from that link for differences with yours. |
| 11:42.47 | jm_ | should be 666 |
| 11:42.57 | cozwei | jm_: but i just did an apt-get upgrade |
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| 11:44.22 | jm_ | cozwei: maybe some fucked up postinst script caused it, try grepping for it in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 11:45.09 | cozwei | jm_: now it works :) i can login normally again :) |
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| 11:45.17 | cozwei | jm_: grepping for what? |
| 11:45.23 | Glide | hi |
| 11:45.50 | Glide | i need to know how to can i automaticatly start a script from my debian distrib at boot |
| 11:46.04 | jm_ | cozwei: well /dev/null is a first choice |
| 11:46.28 | _AleX_ | hi all ... somebody is using linux 2.6 / MB with Intel 6300ESB, SATA disks and software raid ? |
| 11:47.05 | PerfDave | Glide: There are several ways to do it. The easiest way is to run your script in a cron job, with @reboot for the time. |
| 11:47.06 | SlayerXP | Glide: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 11:47.17 | PerfDave | Glide: What does this script do? |
| 11:47.20 | SlayerXP | _AleX_: yes, somebody is. |
| 11:47.34 | Glide | PerfDave, it run a soft |
| 11:47.40 | PerfDave | Glide: "a soft"? |
| 11:47.46 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: A software. |
| 11:47.48 | Glide | PerfDave, a software |
| 11:47.57 | PerfDave | Glide: No shit. What software? |
| 11:47.57 | Glide | sorry for my poor english |
| 11:48.09 | Glide | proFTPD |
| 11:48.16 | Glide | and apache |
| 11:48.24 | Glide | and xchat |
| 11:48.32 | PerfDave | Glide: Uhm, apache should run at boot automatically, because it's a service. Same for proftpd. |
| 11:48.37 | takatumi | fabietto: check for these CONFIG_FB, CONFIG_FB_MODE_HELPERS, CONFIG_FB_VESA, CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT, CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE |
| 11:48.41 | Glide | for apache it is ok |
| 11:48.43 | _AleX_ | i've random crash with a disk : "abnormal status 0xD0 on port 0X1F7" |
| 11:48.46 | ricky_clarkson | Glide: You should start xchat when you're in X, not at boot. |
| 11:48.53 | Glide | k |
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| 11:49.03 | ricky_clarkson | Glide: ~/.xinitrc (depending on your display manager) |
| 11:49.05 | PerfDave | Glide: How did you install apache and proftpd? |
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| 11:49.13 | Glide | with apt-get install |
| 11:49.27 | ricky_clarkson | _AleX_: smartutils I think. |
| 11:49.33 | PerfDave | Glide: Then they should both start at boot, and if they don't, there's something wrong with them and writing your own script won't help. |
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| 11:49.49 | Glide | ok |
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| 11:50.13 | Glide | and to run my psyBNC automatically @boot ? |
| 11:50.46 | SlayerXP | Glide: i'm sure you can figure that out yourself |
| 11:50.49 | PerfDave | Glide: What is it, how did you instasll it? |
| 11:51.03 | Glide | psyBNC is used to bounce an irc account |
| 11:51.11 | _AleX_ | i'm using 2.6.10, i've changed harddisk, same problem |
| 11:51.16 | Glide | but i need to know how to run it auto |
| 11:51.18 | PerfDave | Glide: How did you install it? |
| 11:51.27 | Glide | download it from a mirror |
| 11:51.34 | Glide | tar -xzf on the .tgz file |
| 11:51.39 | Glide | i make it |
| 11:51.42 | Glide | and it run |
| 11:51.45 | Glide | perfectly |
| 11:51.51 | Glide | but there is no "boot" script |
| 11:51.57 | cozwei | jm_: way to much answers |
| 11:52.04 | PerfDave | Glide: Where on your system did you install it? |
| 11:52.07 | _AleX_ | piix sata support + software raid is buggy |
| 11:52.18 | Glide | on /home/Glide |
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| 11:52.29 | Glide | with normal user privilege |
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| 11:54.52 | _AleX_ | who is using supermicro motherboard and intregrated sata controler ? |
| 11:55.06 | petemc | joey |
| 11:55.24 | jm_ | cozwei: yeah I thought there would be many |
| 11:55.48 | jm_ | cozwei: btw, did you just chmod it? |
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| 11:56.31 | Glide | so |
| 11:56.34 | Glide | thx for help |
| 11:56.34 | Glide | cia |
| 11:57.10 | izaak | A while ago i was helped to setup a debian server, i.e. it is just a server has no GUI, X etc installed. I want to use vnc but need to install X first. I have apt-get installed the follwing: XServer, GDM, Gnome-desktop-environment |
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| 11:57.29 | izaak | I have also ran xf86config |
| 11:57.38 | cozwei | jm_: yeah i did just chmod it |
| 11:57.40 | SlayerXP | izaak: what's wrong with using ssh? |
| 11:58.11 | izaak | SlayerXP: I need/want gui for a few things, the server is in my bedroom and i want to use it as a desktop later, for now though i would like to use vnc but need x first.. |
| 11:58.11 | cozwei | jm_: i tried to grep after /dev/null AND chmod. so i had quite a few answers. but no one changed /dev/null |
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| 11:59.10 | izaak | hmm where should i go to paste the error messages in getting? there are websites whichy ou can paste into |
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| 12:00.00 | igraltist | pastebin.con |
| 12:00.13 | izaak | np, sec |
| 12:00.15 | jm_ | cozwei: that's wrong |
| 12:00.25 | izaak | http://pastebin.com/245803 |
| 12:00.37 | izaak | this is what im getting when tryign to startx, is there any dpkg packages I have missed? |
| 12:00.46 | cozwei | jm_: just to chmod? |
| 12:01.07 | jm_ | cozwei: yes, it's not a regular file |
| 12:01.19 | cozwei | but it worked |
| 12:01.24 | cozwei | jm_: but it worked |
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| 12:01.37 | directhex|work | izaak, did you install x-window-system? |
| 12:02.05 | izaak | i've only installed the dpkg packages i've mentioned, if x-window-system is a package i will need to install, please tell me |
| 12:02.24 | ricky_clarkson | Anyone with a Dell notebook with an adapter number P/N |
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| 12:02.25 | miyo | izaak: or x-window-system-core |
| 12:02.26 | ricky_clarkson | 9364U, P/N 7832D or P/N 4983D |
| 12:02.31 | izaak | current packages i've installed are: XServer, GDM, Gnome-desktop-environment |
| 12:02.35 | directhex|work | izaak, yes, you need x-window-system. |
| 12:02.40 | izaak | i will now install x-window-system and x-window-system |
| 12:02.41 | ricky_clarkson | purchased between 1998 and 2002, it may overheat. |
| 12:02.45 | izaak | okay no probs |
| 12:02.50 | mbc | Hello; How do I downgrade xserver-xfree86 from 4.2 to 4.0 ? |
| 12:02.53 | izaak | once they're installed what config will i need to run to get it running? |
| 12:02.57 | ricky_clarkson | There, that's my public service announcement. |
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| 12:03.08 | directhex|work | mbc, why would you go from antique to neolithic? |
| 12:03.11 | miyo | izaak: It asks you configs when you install it. |
| 12:03.18 | jm_ | cozwei: yes, but the file will grow and grow and grow and ... |
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| 12:03.24 | miyo | izaak: If it does not... come back to us. |
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| 12:03.40 | ricky_clarkson | mbc: Remove (and purge) 4.2 then install 4.0 |
| 12:03.44 | izaak | No probs |
| 12:03.44 | directhex|work | hold on |
| 12:03.56 | directhex|work | debian doesn't have 4.2 or 4.0, never has done |
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| 12:04.12 | directhex|work | woody uses 4.1, potato uses 3.3 |
| 12:04.14 | mbc | directhex|work: alright |
| 12:04.14 | ricky_clarkson | D'oh. |
| 12:04.29 | directhex|work | so someone's not using debian, or has successfully b0rked their machine with self compiles |
| 12:04.56 | directhex|work | either way, don't expect answers you want to hear |
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| 12:05.40 | mbc | I haven't compiled anything I just run a dist-upgrade and now my xserver isn't running ... and I ask google for help and found one problem which matched mine... - and then I wanted to try his suggestion |
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| 12:06.36 | keko_ | whitch is more stable and secure web browser for debian sarge? latest mozilla or firefox? |
| 12:07.37 | izaak | will i need to reboot for x to start? |
| 12:07.40 | miyo | keko_: Firefox is based on Mozilla. |
| 12:07.50 | keko_ | yea :) |
| 12:07.52 | miyo | keko_: Both are safer than e.g. u$ie |
| 12:08.02 | miyo | keko_: And more stable as well. |
| 12:08.06 | ezra-s | keko_, I use mozilla and it works great, both mozilla and firefox work fine so I suggest you try both |
| 12:08.08 | izaak | Okay I will reboot the computer, I will be back soon |
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| 12:08.54 | keko_ | okey |
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| 12:12.50 | directhex|work | mbc, you're not using debian if you have xfree86 4.2 or 4.0. either fix your facts, or say which distribution you're ACTUALLY using |
| 12:13.24 | mbc | directhex|work: I am using Debian - but not sure what version my xserver really is... |
| 12:14.11 | miyo | mbc: X -version |
| 12:14.32 | mbc | 4.3.0.1 |
| 12:14.40 | PerfDave | directhex|work: He might be using an *old* version of Debian? |
| 12:14.50 | miyo | mbc: Sounds like Debian unstable to me. |
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| 12:14.55 | directhex|work | PerfDave, debian has never used xfree 4.2 or 4.0, the versions he was talking about |
| 12:14.58 | mbc | miyo: testing |
| 12:15.04 | PerfDave | directhex|work: It hasn't? Fair enough. |
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| 12:15.16 | directhex|work | PerfDave, distrowatch.com/debian |
| 12:15.23 | miyo | True... |
| 12:15.29 | miyo | Testing has 4.3 now. |
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| 12:15.44 | digitalwulf | hi |
| 12:16.07 | digitalwulf | Does firebird exists for ARM plataforms? |
| 12:16.19 | miyo | mbc: So what is your problem with X? |
| 12:16.19 | directhex|work | firebird the databse server? |
| 12:16.24 | digitalwulf | yes |
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| 12:16.34 | digitalwulf | the database server/client |
| 12:16.36 | mbc | miyo: it doesn't start |
| 12:16.44 | miyo | mbc: and what are the errors? |
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| 12:16.52 | mbc | well actually - no errors =/ |
| 12:16.56 | mbc | thats the wierd part |
| 12:17.00 | cozwei | jm_: why? i just chmod it. is there another way to fix that? |
| 12:17.12 | mbc | http://dotexe.dk/XFree86.0.log - nothing else |
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| 12:17.45 | jm_ | cozwei: yes, cd /dev && rm null && MAKEDEV std |
| 12:18.17 | digitalwulf | directthex|work: does exists a version of firebird database to ARM plataforms? I need to install it on IPAQ and/or ZAURUS |
| 12:18.18 | miyo | mbc: Have you tried reconfiguring your X? |
| 12:18.21 | mbc | yes |
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| 12:18.30 | directhex|work | digitalwulf, not in debian as far as i can see. try their website? |
| 12:18.32 | miyo | have you tried with vesa-driver? |
| 12:18.34 | mbc | well - it worked beforce |
| 12:18.49 | mbc | after I run a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 12:18.49 | directhex|work | mbc, you used the nvidia .sh from nvidia.com to install your driver? |
| 12:18.53 | mbc | it just went.. F*** |
| 12:19.00 | JohnGH | Is there anything specific you need to do to enable SSI on Apache2? I have lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 40 Feb 24 11:55 /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/include.load -> /etc/apache2/mods-available/include.load and AddHandler server-parsed .shtml and SetOutputFilter INCLUDES and have restarted the server, other changes are picking up, but the include tags don't seem to be getting noticed by the server |
| 12:19.07 | mbc | directhex|work: I downloaded it from their website -yes |
| 12:19.08 | PerfDave | Is Gnome the "default desktop" in Debian these days? If you install Sarge and select "Desktop Environment", it boots into kdm and kde by default. |
| 12:19.19 | PerfDave | mbc: /msg dpkg nvidia-installer |
| 12:19.20 | directhex|work | mbc, then you definitely broke it. |
| 12:19.45 | directhex|work | PerfDave, a good example of x-updates-breaking-nvidia. huzzah |
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| 12:19.53 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Yay! |
| 12:19.54 | simonrvn | PerfDave: never was a "default desktop" in debian |
| 12:20.08 | PerfDave | simonrvn: http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian suggests otherwise. |
| 12:20.23 | PerfDave | s/suggests/believes/ |
| 12:20.24 | mbc | PerfDave: /msg dpkg ? |
| 12:20.27 | simonrvn | bah |
| 12:20.34 | simonrvn | @lart distrowatch.com |
| 12:20.36 | PerfDave | !msgdpkg |
| 12:20.36 | directhex|work | PerfDave, send corrections rather than bitching. |
| 12:20.36 | dpkg | "/msg" is a command in most IRC clients to send a private message (PM) to a user. dpkg is a bot, who responds to certain keywords with information. If somebody tells you to "/msg dpkg something", type that into your IRC client and dpkg will tell you something in private to keep clutter off the main channel. Make sure you don't leave a space between the start of the line and the "/msg". |
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| 12:20.40 | simonrvn | wtf do they know |
| 12:20.44 | PerfDave | directhex|work: Who's bitching/ |
| 12:20.52 | directhex|work | PerfDave, you and simonrvn |
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| 12:21.16 | simonrvn | directhex|work: i'm going to sleep. i have stuff to do in 5 hours |
| 12:21.23 | directhex|work | PerfDave, while you're at it, sarge/sid have xfce 4.0.6 not 4.0.5 |
| 12:21.26 | PerfDave | directhex|work: I'm not bitching, I'm commenting. |
| 12:21.34 | izaak | hi guys, x-window-system i snow instaled but im getting some errors, could you have a look at them please. pasted to the pastebin website here: http://pastebin.com/245808 |
| 12:21.54 | directhex|work | PerfDave, you're saying they're wrong. correct them. |
| 12:22.08 | PerfDave | directhex|work: You care so much, you do it. |
| 12:22.19 | izaak | i do not have a mouse and keyboard plugged in.. can i get x to start without those? |
| 12:22.36 | jm_ | you can start it without a mouse, not sure about the keyboard |
| 12:22.55 | Delph | well, if you can plug a keyboard in to get it to start, then you dont need to keep them in next time. |
| 12:23.08 | Delph | s/start/start automatically/ |
| 12:23.15 | directhex|work | PerfDave, i'm not bothered by use of the word 'gnome' on the same page as 'debian'. technically, twm is the closest debian has to a default, since it's in x-window-system |
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| 12:23.17 | iceman | if you can ssh in, you can start x |
| 12:23.21 | jabba | hello |
| 12:23.28 | jabba | can anybody tell me how to print out the n-th line of a textfile? |
| 12:23.34 | jm_ | jabba: sed |
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| 12:23.40 | jm_ | or awk, perl, ... |
| 12:24.20 | jm_ | or to answer your question properly - yes someone can |
| 12:25.05 | jabba | is it important to say that the foles are ~80mb |
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| 12:25.34 | ricky_clarkson | jabba: sed or grep or head with tail can do it. |
| 12:25.48 | jm_ | not really |
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| 12:27.20 | miyo | jabba: cat FILE | | perl -we 'foreach ( <> ) { $counter++; if ( $counter == 9 ) { print; exit } }' |
| 12:27.44 | miyo | jabba: Though it still reads the whole file... IIRC |
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| 12:28.39 | ricky_clarkson | miyo: Why two |s? |
| 12:28.42 | jm_ | sed -ne '15{p;q}' filename |
| 12:28.48 | fflush | miyo: cat FILE | sed -e"9,9p;d" |
| 12:28.53 | miyo | ricky_clarkson: oops... mistake. |
| 12:28.58 | miyo | ricky_clarkson: typo |
| 12:29.00 | JohnGH | awk '(NR==10){print $0}' filename |
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| 12:29.07 | fflush | so many ways |
| 12:29.14 | ricky_clarkson | !timtowtdi |
| 12:29.14 | dpkg | hmm... timtowtdi is There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl. |
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| 12:29.19 | |ac3| | hi |
| 12:29.19 | JohnGH | head -10 filename | tail -1 |
| 12:29.59 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: I know a musician with your name. Yay. |
| 12:30.11 | izaak | what is this line telling me?: xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "server:0" in "remove" command |
| 12:30.16 | jabba | JohnGH: your first one looks good, but why doesn't it terminat |
| 12:30.19 | jabba | no wait |
| 12:30.25 | jabba | it just takes some time |
| 12:30.27 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: hehe - you mean that guy who I'm always fighting with for my place in Google? |
| 12:30.41 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: Probably not. He's old. Probably not heard of Google. |
| 12:31.03 | petemc | theres a fairly famous golfer called pete mcevoy, the bastard |
| 12:31.14 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: I'm pretty successful in google. |
| 12:31.17 | |ac3| | I´m having a problem getting a working 2.6 kernel for my dell poweredge 2850 (perc4e/di). Anyone managed to get this working? |
| 12:31.21 | JohnGH | jabba: the importance of the size depends on the resources of your machine... i.e. how much RAM you have, how fast the CPU is and how rast your disk IO is... :o) |
| 12:31.45 | |ac3| | It seems debian 2.6 kernels load the megaraid module instead of the megaraid2 module |
| 12:32.07 | jabba | JohnGH: but the result is just there and THEN it takes a while |
| 12:32.09 | jm_ | |ac3|: someone was here with similar issue a while ago |
| 12:32.46 | MacTAnzu | Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
| 12:32.50 | petemc | |ac3|: i would check the linux poweredge mailing list archives, fwiw i still use 2.4 kernels on my poweredges |
| 12:33.05 | miyo | jabba: perl -e 'open( FILE, "/etc/passwd" ); foreach ( <FILE> ) { $counter++; if ( $counter == 9 ) { die "$_" } }; |
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| 12:33.14 | miyo | jabba: I think that should quit as soon as it finds the line. |
| 12:33.17 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: yes you are :o) but you're only competing with 120000 matches... I've got 6,980,000 :o( |
| 12:33.19 | |ac3| | petemc: ok |
| 12:33.23 | miyo | jabba: Shouldn't go through the whole file. |
| 12:33.32 | jabba | JohnGH: head -$line file | tail -1 |
| 12:33.36 | jabba | does it |
| 12:33.40 | jabba | fast |
| 12:33.41 | jabba | :) |
| 12:34.02 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: I blame the parents. |
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| 12:34.59 | |ac3| | on this webpage: ftp://ftp.lsil.com/pub/linux-megaraid/drivers/version-2.20.3.1/ i can download the latest magaraid2 driver. Both the patch for kernel 2.6.8.1 and a full version are there. I know how to use the patch, but how can i use the full do include in kernel 2.6.10 ? |
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| 12:35.15 | JohnGH | miyo / jabba: perl -e 'while(<>){print $_ if ($. == 10)}' |
| 12:35.43 | JohnGH | or again die instead of print |
| 12:36.06 | JohnGH | perl -e 'while(<>){die $_ if ($. == 10)}' filename |
| 12:36.25 | fflush | crap |
| 12:36.49 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: If I use my real name, Richard, I don't find much about me. Except that I arrived in Jamaica in 1685. |
| 12:36.53 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/clarkson-coat-arms.htm |
| 12:37.11 | izaak | what is this line telling me?: xauth: (argv):1: bad display name "server:0" in "remove" command |
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| 12:39.07 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: I admire people like you - being comfortable with computer technology at your age... who said you can't teach an old dog new tricks! - and my mum has mental blocks around computers in her 60s !!! |
| 12:39.47 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: Yes, I was just getting to grips with the abacus when Babbage started talking about difference engines. So confusing. |
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| 12:41.01 | vahid | hello |
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| 12:41.37 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: Congrats. Your hello world application works. |
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| 12:43.21 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, tnx :P |
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| 12:43.21 | vahid | i wnat install debian |
| 12:43.21 | jweber | Hola. |
| 12:43.29 | bni_ | how do i generate a configure script from a config.m4 file? |
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| 12:43.29 | vahid | with download image(sio) of cd |
| 12:43.35 | baf | hello |
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| 12:43.59 | jweber | kernel-image source-packages contain a post-install, which does ln kernel/drivers/video/vesafb.o initrd as last command. could someone tell me why that's there? |
| 12:44.02 | vahid | but the files on debian 3 are very old |
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| 12:44.26 | JohnGH | jabba: re the awk coomand taking time, I should have put in a command to make it exit after it had matched... |
| 12:44.34 | vahid | how can i find new version ( realease) of debian ? |
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| 12:44.47 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: Download sarge. |
| 12:44.55 | JohnGH | jabbe: i.e.: awk '(NR==10){print $0;exit}' filename |
| 12:44.56 | vahid | with kernel 2.6 ? |
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| 12:45.06 | baf | I have problem with smbclient: I try tu issue mount -t smbfs -o rw,uid=1000 //server/share /where and only share directory has udi of 1000, rest of the subdirectory have uid of the uid, which is running daemon under |
| 12:45.07 | vahid | ricky_clarkson, kernel 2.6 ? |
| 12:45.10 | Kvant | vahid, yes |
| 12:45.10 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: Whatever you want. |
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| 12:45.25 | green_earz | vahid: have a go at installing debian sarge from the net installer > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/20050221/ >sarge-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 12:45.42 | baf | what could be the problem? |
| 12:45.43 | sketchy | how do i tell what FTP server my debian machine is running? |
| 12:46.08 | baf | normally windows clients are accessing properly and can write, linux clients can only read |
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| 12:46.29 | ricky_clarkson | baf: #samba |
| 12:46.30 | jweber | sketchy: telnet localhost 21, then do an apt-cache policy <theftpserverpackagename> |
| 12:46.45 | vahid | Kvant, ricky_clarkson green_earz tnx , i have Mandrake and suse and fedora bud i don't like them , debian is best Liunx |
| 12:46.48 | sketchy | jweber: thanks |
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| 12:46.54 | green_earz | vahid: the 109 cd will install the base then you build the rest of the system online |
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| 12:47.20 | green_earz | vahid: sorry 109 meg net installer |
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| 12:47.38 | baf | ricky_clarkson : nice try |
| 12:47.40 | ricky_clarkson | Isn't Cygwin more than that? ;) |
| 12:47.43 | ricky_clarkson | baf: Eh? |
| 12:47.51 | baf | not on this server |
| 12:47.54 | jweber | sketchy: no prob ;) |
| 12:47.57 | JohnGH | vahid: you really think you can convince us of that? |
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| 12:48.13 | ricky_clarkson | baf: = 12:48:16 [freenode] -!- Topic for #samba: This is the samba user channel, feel free to ask your question. No need to ask to |
| 12:48.16 | ricky_clarkson | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:48.17 | viper | --+*i +]'* |
| 12:48.24 | ricky_clarkson | Seems to be on this server to me. Pilot error. |
| 12:48.31 | Stral | can anyone give me a tip on how to use apt-build to compile with distcc and make -j ? |
| 12:48.37 | JohnGH | vahid: Some of us have been using Debian for years, and you want us to think it's the best Linux? pffft! |
| 12:48.37 | vahid | JohnGH, no :P |
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| 12:49.08 | sketchy | next question... :) if i log into the FTP from a client, with, say, user "john" (who has a user account and thus /home/john), how can i prevent them from being able to view higher than their directory? at the moment, anyone can log in and browse through the entire file system, including other peoples /home/ folders |
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| 12:49.17 | vahid | JohnGH, i don't want that it;s my idea |
| 12:49.35 | njan | sketchy, chroot. |
| 12:49.47 | Stral | or how to use dpkg-buildpackage with -j ? |
| 12:49.55 | sketchy | njan: cheers, man'ing now |
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| 12:50.00 | vahid | green_earz, can i download all packages and install from Cd ? |
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| 12:50.19 | jweber | sketchy: I'd read the manual of the ftpserver I'm using very carefully before making it accessible, too ;) |
| 12:50.35 | njan | sketchy, whichever ftp daemon you're using should have docs on it |
| 12:50.42 | JohnGH | vahid: I have 9 computers running in my house, and only one old laptop is not running Debian - because it only has 8MB of RAM and a 120 MB hard disk and no PCMCIA slot - but it woul dif it could! (it's running an 6 year old version of Slackware and ppp over the serial port) :o) |
| 12:50.49 | ricky_clarkson | vahid: Install from CD then download the packages you want, I'd say. Unless the machine you're installing to won't have a net connection. |
| 12:51.49 | green_earz | vahid: the 109 meg cd will put the base on then the rest is online. have a look on ebay for debain sarge cd or dvd if that a better way for you ? |
| 12:51.55 | sketchy | jweber and njan: its not a hugely important matter - no sensitive information, and only users that i know have access ... just dont really want a hacker to get in and change passwords/etc... |
| 12:52.09 | Stral | so has anyone tried building packages with distcc and make -j? |
| 12:52.16 | vahid | net install is better :) |
| 12:52.23 | green_earz | ok |
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| 12:52.53 | JohnGH | vahid: green_earz was right on the money with that url... if you bookmark http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/current/ you will always have the latest version... I download a new one every few months and burn it - it's so nice to use that I blow boxes away for the sake of it now :o) |
| 12:53.13 | jweber | sketchy: you'r the boss on your server ;) |
| 12:53.24 | JohnGH | And they say that Debian has a reputation for being difficult to install? they're nuts - and they say FreeBSD is the easiest? they've never tried both!!! |
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| 12:54.04 | vahid | :) |
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| 12:54.22 | fflush | FreeBSD is install , is as easy as it gets |
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| 12:55.13 | takatumi | d-i is easy, leave something heavy on the return key |
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| 12:55.45 | JohnGH | fflush: have you ever used the Sarge netinstall????????????? |
| 12:55.45 | fflush | sure |
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| 12:56.15 | JohnGH | I tried FreeBSD on my Compaq Armada 1598 laptop - from the 3 floppies... and it won't write the "disk label" (partition table) back to disk :o( so I can't go on... |
| 12:56.40 | green_earz | vahid: when you boot from the net install, at the very first promtp type linux26 and the installer will install the 2.6 kernel |
| 12:56.54 | ricky_clarkson | You could boot from floppy every time ;) |
| 12:56.55 | JohnGH | Debian does auto partitioning for you at the press of an <enter> - with FreeBSD you actually have to look at an fdisk screen and choose options... urgh |
| 12:57.23 | Stral | so how about building packages with distcc |
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| 12:57.35 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: I'd rather use Trinux if I was doing that :o) I'm thinking about abandoning the FreeBSD experiment and trying Hurd instead |
| 12:57.38 | fflush | Stral: what about it? |
| 12:57.46 | PerfDave | debian-installer > FreeBSD installer > boot floppies |
| 12:57.59 | Stral | fflush, doesn't work :) |
| 12:58.04 | tromca02 | is there any graphical ftp client that supports ssl and is simple to use? |
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| 12:58.12 | tromca02 | si |
| 12:58.15 | PerfDave | I don't see why "ease of install" is such a big deal anyway. It's not like installation is something you do regularly. |
| 12:58.16 | tromca02 | similar to flashfxp |
| 12:58.17 | jm_ | tromca02: lftp is simple to use |
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| 12:58.45 | SlayerXP | PerfDave: it is if you're a gentoo or fedora user |
| 12:59.07 | fflush | PerfDave: good point |
| 12:59.34 | PerfDave | SlayerXP: Yeah, sorry, I'm used to real distros ;) |
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| 12:59.45 | JohnGH | tromca02: write to Martin Prikryl and ask him to port "LinSCP" :o) |
| 12:59.54 | ricky_clarkson | I install regularly. Once every new computer. |
| 12:59.54 | ricky_clarkson | Every two years. |
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| 13:00.08 | JohnGH | We can have PuTTY on Debian, why not WinSCP? |
| 13:00.11 | Stral | so anyone used distcc to build packages? |
| 13:00.33 | Stral | JohnGH, gnome does scp like stuff |
| 13:00.35 | fflush | JohnGH: whats the problem with scp ? |
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| 13:01.17 | PerfDave | konqueror does scp or similar and is easy to use. |
| 13:01.22 | ricky_clarkson | If I found scp/sftp hard to use, I would use shfsutils to mount an ssh partition. |
| 13:01.41 | izaak | Hmm i plugged in a keyboard and mouse and x still gafve the same errors :( |
| 13:01.50 | ricky_clarkson | I've had a go with nautilus' ssh capability, and it works, but I prefer bash. |
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| 13:02.08 | Stral | anyways, is it possible to use distcc with apt-build? i've got a bunch of dual xeons here and want to rebuild stuff with p4 optimisations |
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| 13:02.35 | SlayerXP | Stral: why bother? |
| 13:02.40 | Stral | cos i can |
| 13:02.50 | SlayerXP | why not play tuxracer instead? |
| 13:02.52 | jabba | how do i get the return code of a program? |
| 13:02.57 | SlayerXP | it's less of a waste of your time |
| 13:02.58 | JohnGH | fflush: scp is good, rsync or lftp fish://user@host is better :o) |
| 13:03.03 | ricky_clarkson | jabba: echo $! |
| 13:03.07 | jabba | thanks |
| 13:03.46 | ricky_clarkson | How much faster would stuff be if you did recompile it, Stral? |
| 13:03.47 | Stral | interested to see if running stuff with p4 code will use less battery on my laptop |
| 13:03.47 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: I had a look at that but didn't get much mileage - how did you get on? |
| 13:03.47 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: Works fine. |
| 13:03.47 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: You couldn't figure it out? |
| 13:03.47 | tromca02 | lftp is not graphical is it? |
| 13:03.59 | callipygous | how do I find out what package supplies X.h , Xlib.h and a bunch of other header files? |
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| 13:04.06 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: An /etc/fstab line: ricky@lavender.cime.net:/home/ricky /home/ricky/lavender shfs noauto,user 0 0 |
| 13:04.17 | Stral | so anyways, the question is not whether it's a good idea... it's how to do it |
| 13:04.19 | SlayerXP | callipygous: http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 13:04.25 | JohnGH | SlayerXP: or frozen bubble |
| 13:04.48 | JohnGH | jabba: do you mean the error message or the exit number? |
| 13:05.19 | ricky_clarkson | Stral: Most of us here don't know because we don't bother recompiling stuff. You could ask in #debian-devel possibly (but don't shout at me if they say it's off-topic). |
| 13:05.21 | JohnGH | tromca02: lftp is text mode, but it's really nice with tab completion and stuff like bash |
| 13:05.36 | Stral | i see |
| 13:05.43 | callipygous | thanks SlayerXP |
| 13:05.51 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: modules? |
| 13:05.59 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: palabras? |
| 13:06.07 | JohnGH | jabba: you might want $? |
| 13:06.33 | ricky_clarkson | jabba: Oops, JohnGH is right. |
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| 13:07.09 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: ummm... I can't remember now, was it a package install? |
| 13:07.19 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: it? |
| 13:07.30 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: shfs |
| 13:07.34 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: Oh, shfs. shfsutils |
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| 13:08.35 | ricky_clarkson | I think it needed a kernel module, yeah, but I think it instructs you on installing that. Can't remember exactly. |
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| 13:09.11 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: aha - that's probably where I stopped :o) |
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| 13:09.54 | daww | When I mount my USB Flash Drive (128MB, FAT) with "mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt" the Files and folders is showed as Unknowned files , how can I fix this? |
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| 13:10.38 | JohnGH | daww: Unknowned ??? |
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| 13:11.15 | greycat | daww: fdisk -l /dev/sda |
| 13:11.29 | daww | JohnGH, Yes "Type = ... unknown type" |
| 13:11.51 | daww | JohnGH, In the file browser |
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| 13:12.13 | fuat | does anyone know why kmail does not work with gpg-agent? |
| 13:12.15 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: Umm yes :o) "shfsmount: shfs filesystem not supported by the kernel" |
| 13:12.33 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: Worth it though, imo. |
| 13:12.43 | daww | greycat, Ok, fdisk -l /dev/sda gives me 4 partitions |
| 13:13.15 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: I originally whois'd you because there's a John G Harrup who works on this floor here ;) |
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| 13:14.34 | daww | greycat, Before when I used to plug the USB Flash Drive it mounted automatically and everything worked, it dont mount automatically now |
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| 13:15.40 | greycat | daww: so mount one of the PARTITIONS, not the whole disk. |
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| 13:15.51 | nomed^ | hi |
| 13:15.51 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: oh... and I thought it was because you fancied my haircut :o( |
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| 13:16.10 | nomed^ | is there someone using nvidia card? |
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| 13:16.21 | JohnGH | nomed^: yes, I am |
| 13:16.30 | PerfDave | !anybody use |
| 13:16.30 | dpkg | No, no-one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 13:16.35 | nomed^ | i was wandering if he could just check with fbset -info |
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| 13:16.51 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: Does your haircut resemble a naked woman? |
| 13:16.53 | nomed^ | JohnGH: are u using vesa fb? |
| 13:18.08 | nomed^ | JohnGH: i'm using nvidia module ... but vesa as fb .... does an nvidia fb exist? |
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| 13:19.29 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: oh boy, this is nice! :o) http://www.debian-administration.org/?article=30 |
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| 13:20.16 | JohnGH | ricky_clarkson: a veyr hairy one perhaps |
| 13:20.49 | ricky_clarkson | JohnGH: I think that's what I did, but I didn't follow that. Probably something in /usr/share/doc/shfsutils, dunno. |
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| 13:21.23 | nomed^ | so JohnGH ... you don't know if it's normal? |
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| 13:22.21 | JohnGH | nomed: I am not... |
| 13:22.31 | jak | hello folks... im having trouble setting up the web interface of mailman after updating it on my debian box. new version is 2.1.5-4... there seems to be a problem with python. any ideas? links? etc? THX |
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| 13:22.32 | JohnGH | I'll msg you the output of my lspci -v |
| 13:22.54 | SlayerXP | jak: did you check the BTS? |
| 13:23.11 | _AleX_ | with a Intel6300esb chip, what is the best driver for access SATA drives ? ata_piix or ahci ? |
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| 13:23.19 | jak | SlayerXP: BTS? |
| 13:23.27 | SlayerXP | !topicsmite jak |
| 13:23.28 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon jak. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 13:23.59 | JohnGH | nomed^: 'fbset -info' returns: "open /dev/fb0: No such device" :o) |
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| 13:24.51 | nomed^ | JohnGH: so you're not using fb ... |
| 13:25.15 | JohnGH | jharrisonwk: name clash? |
| 13:25.18 | JohnGH | :o) |
| 13:25.33 | jharrisonhm | :o) |
| 13:26.06 | jak | i dont think that this is a bug (concerning mailman) i think it has to do with the integration of python and mailman... |
| 13:26.26 | jak | cause i didnt find anythink (which matches my problem) searching google.. |
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| 13:26.43 | ISkywalker | hi! how can i mount an usb disk? |
| 13:26.44 | JohnGH | By all, I'm going to go looking for help with my apache problem... have fun! |
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| 13:27.11 | jak | ISkywalker: normally, usb devices are shown as scsi devices... try to mount /dev/sda1 |
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| 13:27.59 | ISkywalker | THX! |
| 13:30.07 | tromca02 | this lftp seems nice but is there any other ftp client? that works in x like gftp but that kinda sux in my opinion? |
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| 13:30.59 | douglas | what file can i tail -f to watch people hit up my apache2 server? |
| 13:31.28 | eye69 | douglas: Look in /var/log/apache* |
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| 13:31.35 | douglas | nice thanks |
| 13:31.40 | ricky_clarkson | tromca02: Maybe nautilus can do ftp. |
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| 13:40.05 | tromca02 | dosn't linux have any similar ftp client to FlashFXP? thats kinda crappy if there isn't :p |
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| 13:41.03 | Gathond__ | tromca02: dont know what flashFXP is and what it does, but someone might have written a client that can do something similar, there are alot of ftp client out there |
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| 13:42.23 | petemc | tromca02: there are plenty of graphical ftp clients, have you even looked before declaring it to be crappy? |
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| 13:47.42 | thomas_adam | Such as gftp. |
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| 13:48.29 | tromca02 | petemc: i've only tryid gftpd but its isn't even close to flashFXP |
| 13:48.41 | petemc | oh well, its definately crappy then |
| 13:48.43 | tromca02 | its a windows based ftp client really nice |
| 13:48.52 | petemc | ive used it, mostly for my xbox |
| 13:49.25 | petemc | tromca02: apt-cache search ftp client , try as many as you like |
| 13:49.42 | tromca02 | okay cool |
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| 13:49.55 | feistel | hi |
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| 13:50.18 | tromca02 | petemc: have you tried any linux for xbox? |
| 13:50.26 | feistel | what software can I use for LAN mirroring, like DRBD, but with a stable package on Debian? |
| 13:50.49 | sep | feistel: you need realtime mirroring or may rsync do it ? |
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| 13:51.45 | petemc | tromca02: ive used ftp://user:pass@xbox in nautilus , but i mostly use filezilla now when i need to upload stuff to xbox |
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| 13:52.31 | greycat | thomas_adam: not rxvt -e lftp? |
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| 13:52.45 | lestest | HI there is it possible to process a maildir folder with procmail? |
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| 13:53.09 | greycat | lestest: you mean "deliver to"? |
| 13:53.38 | daww | How can I make a fat file system, mkfs.fat don't work for me |
| 13:53.57 | ricky_clarkson | how "don't work"? |
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| 13:54.04 | daww | vfat, ok |
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| 13:54.43 | jm_ | lestest: yes |
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| 13:55.04 | lestest | greycat: no input mail is in a maildir folder and outputmail will be multiple folders |
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| 13:55.22 | sep | apt-get install dosfstools ; mkfs -t vfat -F 32 /dev/device |
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| 13:56.30 | PerfDave | lestest: bounce the mail to yourself? |
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| 13:57.04 | lestest | nope filter an existing mailbox folder with procmails rules |
| 13:57.15 | Dewi | does anybody know if the modules for getting things like FTP and PPTP working with ipmasq, exist in the standard debian kernel image? |
| 13:57.24 | PerfDave | lestest: Yeah. Bounce the mail in the existing folder to yourself so it gets processed by procmail. |
| 13:57.48 | jm_ | Dewi: check for yourself, they come with a config file |
| 13:58.17 | _AleX_ | my system freeze when i try to access a drive during a md raid1 reconstruction. I'm using 2.6.10 with 2 SATA disks / 6300ESB SATA controler |
| 13:58.17 | lestest | I don't have procmail enabled for my mail delivery |
| 13:58.25 | lestest | I just need it once |
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| 13:59.02 | Dewi | jm_: well, I can't see any "masq" related modules except for ipmasq itself |
| 13:59.04 | daww | When I mount "mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt" the file and folders still is "Type > unknowed" in the File Browser |
| 13:59.09 | Dewi | jm_: which surprises and worries me |
| 13:59.14 | greycat | what the living FUCK is a "File Browser"? |
| 13:59.20 | greycat | do you mean "ls -l"? |
| 13:59.29 | PerfDave | lestest: Just call procmail on each message in the maildir? |
| 13:59.36 | daww | I have formated the whole device and added a new partition (FAT) |
| 13:59.44 | daww | The problem still comes up |
| 13:59.48 | greycat | and whatever your "File Browser" is, it's written by people who can't fucking write plain English words. "unknowed"? Jesus. |
| 13:59.55 | feistel | sep, I need setup a backup server |
| 14:00.00 | Rawplayer | maybe filebrowser is a gui for ls :P |
| 14:00.07 | jm_ | Dewi: which kernel version is this for? |
| 14:00.12 | sander_ | Is there any channel to talk about linmodems ?? |
| 14:00.22 | Dewi | jm_: 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 14:00.32 | jm_ | Dewi: well doh, why would anyone with 2.6 use ipmasq? |
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| 14:00.43 | greycat | sander_: what do you want to say about them? Can you teach me some fascinating new profanity? |
| 14:00.48 | Dewi | jm_: what would I use instead? |
| 14:00.52 | jm_ | Dewi: iptables ;) |
| 14:00.54 | daww | greycat, "... unknown type" |
| 14:00.59 | jak | daww: what "file browser" do you use? |
| 14:01.06 | sander_ | Somebody may help me to install and setup a winmodem (Lucent Agere)?? |
| 14:01.34 | daww | jak, Nautilus |
| 14:01.42 | directhex|work | sander_, get the source code & compile it. or get a real modem, that's the easier option |
| 14:01.43 | Dewi | jm_: it seems to mostly be iptables rules |
| 14:01.57 | jak | daww: are you able to write to the device? |
| 14:02.06 | jm_ | Dewi: you mean in kernel config? yes, I bet it enables a whole lot of them |
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| 14:02.18 | sander_ | Whats a real modem ??? |
| 14:02.24 | sander_ | a US Robotics? |
| 14:02.25 | Dewi | jm_: I mean the package "ipmasq" |
| 14:02.27 | greycat | sander_: an external RS-232 serial modem. |
| 14:02.27 | sander_ | Intel? |
| 14:02.29 | daww | jak, Yes |
| 14:02.37 | jm_ | Dewi: ahh ipmasq package can handle iptables too |
| 14:02.39 | sander_ | hummm. |
| 14:02.42 | ricky_clarkson | sander_: 'real' meaning that it does everything itself, rather than relying on the computer. |
| 14:02.42 | jak | daww: ok, then... whats the problem? :) |
| 14:02.45 | greycat | sander_: no internal cards. no USB. Real Serial Cable. |
| 14:02.55 | Dewi | jm_: but evidently not pptp out of the box |
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| 14:03.06 | daww | jak, I can't open files or folers from the device |
| 14:03.07 | jetscreamer | WHAT THE FUCK is the xfree upgrade in sid doing overwriting my custom XF86Config-4 |
| 14:03.11 | ricky_clarkson | sander_: Usually used to mean "not a WinModem". |
| 14:03.11 | sander_ | ricky_clarkson, greycat ... I understood |
| 14:03.14 | lestest | PerfDave: yep |
| 14:03.22 | greycat | jetscreamer: you made a backup, right? :) |
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| 14:03.30 | greycat | jetscreamer: did you read /topic, too? |
| 14:03.39 | jetscreamer | not sure how current , and no |
| 14:03.44 | jak | daww: open a console and use "cd" |
| 14:03.45 | jetscreamer | what is a topic :) |
| 14:03.50 | greycat | !topicsmite jetscreamer |
| 14:03.51 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon jetscreamer. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 14:04.02 | sander_ | Anyway, thanks for your help, I will try to install/setup my one, then.... when get money, buy a Real modem. |
| 14:04.03 | fuat | can anyone tell me why the **** kmail does not work with gpg-agent? this drives me mad |
| 14:04.30 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: #kde or #debian-kde possibly. |
| 14:04.32 | jetscreamer | okie thanks greycat |
| 14:04.36 | travisat | well kmail sucks |
| 14:04.37 | daww | jak, that works, seems to be the Nautilus that doesn't like FAT or something |
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| 14:04.43 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: hehe |
| 14:04.45 | jetscreamer | hope my backup is current |
| 14:04.48 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: What? |
| 14:05.00 | jetscreamer | it's 'very' custom |
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| 14:05.13 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: kmail and gpg-agent does not work together. it hangs the hole operating system |
| 14:05.14 | jair_11 | hello guys |
| 14:05.28 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Crashes Linux? |
| 14:05.30 | jair_11 | I am using debian for first time and I do not change anywhere is just nice |
| 14:05.36 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Ctrl-Alt-F1? |
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| 14:05.39 | jair_11 | I really like it |
| 14:05.53 | jair_11 | I am using it in a laptop gateway 450x |
| 14:05.56 | travisat | jair_11: great |
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| 14:06.00 | jair_11 | runn fast like crazy. |
| 14:06.04 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: no it forces kde to frees and releases it after a while again |
| 14:06.13 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: KDE is not the operating system. |
| 14:06.24 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Do other X apps continue to work? |
| 14:06.25 | jetscreamer | 2-21, current enough then |
| 14:06.28 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: no but as I said the operating system hangs |
| 14:06.38 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: no nothing works |
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| 14:06.41 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: What happens when you press Ctrl-Alt-F1 while it hangs? |
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| 14:06.44 | jetscreamer | oh no, 12/21 |
| 14:06.52 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: no text-console |
| 14:06.53 | jair_11 | travisat, but one of the questions I have is 1- at the moment of GRUB boot it try to get active the eth0 and get the ip and everything. |
| 14:06.56 | jetscreamer | shouldn't be too bad |
| 14:07.00 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Ctrl-Alt-Backspace? |
| 14:07.05 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: no x-restart |
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| 14:07.13 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: ssh in from elsewhere? |
| 14:07.14 | xk | anyone got debian cranking on amd64? |
| 14:07.24 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: I could try this moment |
| 14:07.35 | jair_11 | travisat, but If I do not have the computer connecttec take forever because oviously is try to broadcast the ip from the dhcp server. |
| 14:07.39 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: it would make shure that just kde hangs right. moment please |
| 14:07.42 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 14:07.47 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Just X, not just KDE. |
| 14:07.50 | jair_11 | it is a command that I can run to make this manually |
| 14:07.51 | travisat | jair_11: configure it for static ip |
| 14:08.16 | jair_11 | so the boot do not take so long when the computer do not find ip configuration automatic. |
| 14:08.22 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: it allows me to login |
| 14:08.36 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: So X hangs, but Linux is alive, so it's not the OS. |
| 14:08.40 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: after the freese is over |
| 14:08.46 | jetscreamer | ah mta hangs with no net access syndrome |
| 14:08.47 | travisat | jair_11: if you use dhcp, that is going to be a normal problem. I just deal with it |
| 14:08.48 | jair_11 | travisat, no because I am constanting moving to offices and all are different subnets but use dhcp |
| 14:08.55 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: I doubt that this will bring us further |
| 14:08.55 | jetscreamer | hangs/takes a long time |
| 14:08.59 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Oh, right. Gah, sentences don't need to span multiple lines of IRC. |
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| 14:09.23 | jair_11 | I do "ctrl+C" then it continue |
| 14:09.29 | travisat | that works |
| 14:09.31 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: How long is the freeze for? |
| 14:09.39 | jair_11 | but then once I am on the distro I can not get the IP |
| 14:09.48 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: just for appr. 4 or 5 seconds |
| 14:09.52 | jair_11 | I try "ifconfig ethx up" and nothing |
| 14:09.58 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Oh, that's not worth thinking about. |
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| 14:10.09 | travisat | jair_11: sudo ifdown eth0; sudo ifup eth0 |
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| 14:10.15 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: File a bug report, be happy. |
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| 14:10.20 | joefso | hello all |
| 14:10.24 | jetscreamer | yes he's talking about exim4 |
| 14:10.28 | joefso | what mail client do you guys use? |
| 14:10.30 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: of course it is worth thinking about it, since it doesnt work after |
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| 14:10.38 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: File a bug report. |
| 14:10.38 | jetscreamer | i recognize that bastard and it's no net behavior |
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| 14:10.44 | travisat | joefso: none |
| 14:10.46 | feng | Hi,all |
| 14:11.03 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: where to? debian? kde? gnupg? |
| 14:11.10 | joefso | travisat: you don't use mail? or u use hotmail? |
| 14:11.11 | jair_11 | travisat, ohhh ok |
| 14:11.11 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Are you using Debian? |
| 14:11.14 | joefso | travisat: *G* |
| 14:11.15 | jair_11 | I will try that then |
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| 14:11.26 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: ;-) yes |
| 14:11.28 | ricky_clarkson | fuat: Then file it to Debian. |
| 14:11.29 | travisat | joefso: unless the gmail interface is a web client |
| 14:11.31 | werdna | is there a chat client for irc that can make the background transparent? |
| 14:11.38 | ricky_clarkson | werdna: XChat. |
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| 14:11.47 | werdna | I am using X-Chat 2.0.8 |
| 14:11.59 | jair_11 | my computer have a centrino 1pw2100, I saw that the debiab recognize it as a "fiberwire" or something like that on the eth1 |
| 14:12.04 | jeaneid | where can I get gthread-2.0 package |
| 14:12.06 | fuat | ricky_clarkson: yes, I should file it to debian, since gentoo users can use this I suppose this is a debian problem |
| 14:12.06 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 14:12.10 | werdna | thank you :) |
| 14:12.11 | werdna | found it |
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| 14:12.26 | ricky_clarkson | werdna: Any text-mode client can too, because there are consoles that can do translucency. |
| 14:12.36 | werdna | woot |
| 14:12.39 | jair_11 | in order to configure the eth1 wireless centrino ipw2100 I need to download the package wireless-tools |
| 14:12.47 | jair_11 | and some other things right |
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| 14:13.08 | jair_11 | I know i can make it work |
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| 14:13.20 | orion | buenas everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:13.28 | travisat | jair_11: yes, and if it needs its module that two |
| 14:13.41 | jair_11 | anyone here has been configure the (centrino ipw2100 or 2200)? |
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| 14:13.57 | jair_11 | yes I think it will need the modules |
| 14:14.07 | jair_11 | driver ipw2100 |
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| 14:14.12 | emL | Hey, I've apt-getted "memtest86", I'm supposed to start that from grub right? If so, how? |
| 14:14.24 | travisat | jair_11: if you had atheros I could help you, but I don't know ipw |
| 14:14.26 | greycat | emL: /usr/share/doc/memtest86/ |
| 14:14.32 | emL | thank you |
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| 14:14.48 | jair_11 | travisat, I have ipw2100 on this gateway 450x |
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| 14:15.39 | jair_11 | I try before the live cd "kanotix" and this guys configure a script that recognize the ipw2100 and 2200 also a bouch of other wi-fi cards. |
| 14:16.06 | jair_11 | but I will need to learn how to configure that correcly on the debian (original) |
| 14:16.14 | greycat | well goody for them. they bend over and let non-free proprietary software have their way with them. Debian doesn't. |
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| 14:16.32 | travisat | jair_11: this guy has ipw2100, he doesn't install it the debian way, but it works: http://www.student.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~bamoore/projects/debian_on_t41/ |
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| 14:16.47 | Rambo3 | isnt there .config file that could be usefull with kernel compilation then |
| 14:17.07 | werdna | hehe |
| 14:17.09 | werdna | Linox |
| 14:17.20 | emL | okay, so in grub.lst, I should put /boot/memtest86.bin , title "Memtest", root ? |
| 14:17.21 | werdna | that is Linux + Cox = Linox |
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| 14:17.33 | travisat | jair_11: this way is better: sudo apt-get install ipw2100-source |
| 14:17.34 | travisat | sudo module-assistant a-i ipw2100 |
| 14:17.59 | jair_11 | travisat, ok thank you though |
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| 14:18.40 | emL | found it, nevermind |
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| 14:21.18 | jair_11 | travisat, ok but I wanted to learn the real way with debian too. but thank you I will check that |
| 14:21.32 | jm_ | that is the real way |
| 14:21.41 | travisat | jair_11: the second way is best |
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| 14:22.38 | jair_11 | travisat, ok |
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| 14:23.00 | jair_11 | I think is a "bug" on debian sarge. with the mozilla-firefox |
| 14:23.04 | fbtab | hi all |
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| 14:23.24 | travisat | jair_11: firefox works great for me on sarge |
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| 14:23.43 | stew | jair_11: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 14:24.11 | jair_11 | travisat, I try to (apt-get reinstall firefox) and then when I try to open it it have the icon bouncing for couple of seconds then disappear. |
| 14:24.16 | jair_11 | I hate it. |
| 14:24.31 | stew | icon bouncing? |
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| 14:24.57 | werdna | what does chmod a+rw /c do to the /c folder? |
| 14:25.04 | stew | jair_11: doens't sound like a firefox problem sounds like a problem with whatver is giving you the bouncing icon. does firefox work from the command line? |
| 14:25.06 | werdna | how do I make the folder accessable to all users? |
| 14:25.18 | pingouin_ | werdna: yep |
| 14:25.21 | jair_11 | stew, I will check |
| 14:25.32 | pingouin_ | chmod 777 |
| 14:25.38 | pingouin_ | but be sure of what you do |
| 14:25.54 | werdna | so chmod 777 /c |
| 14:25.56 | werdna | that would work? |
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| 14:26.12 | pingouin_ | ls -la |
| 14:26.16 | pingouin_ | chmod |
| 14:26.17 | pingouin_ | ls -la |
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| 14:26.30 | stew | chmod 777 is pretty much never a good idea |
| 14:26.36 | jair_11 | stew, I should try /usr/lib/? |
| 14:26.41 | neonlightning_ | anyone know where i can get a .deb of xmms? |
| 14:26.41 | werdna | why is that stew? |
| 14:26.45 | jair_11 | where will be the mozilla-firefox? |
| 14:26.49 | pingouin_ | because 777 |
| 14:26.51 | drp | apt-get |
| 14:26.55 | stew | werdna: do you need to give everyone write access? or just read? |
| 14:26.58 | pingouin_ | everybody can rwx |
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| 14:27.05 | TheEmperor | hello |
| 14:27.06 | drp | neonlightning_, why not just use apt-get |
| 14:27.09 | neonlightning_ | apt get says it doesn't have any install canidates |
| 14:27.12 | travisat | jair_11: just type in firefox |
| 14:27.19 | callipygous | hmm doesn't woody have a 'mplayer' package? |
| 14:27.19 | jair_11 | ohhh ok |
| 14:27.20 | callipygous | wierd |
| 14:27.21 | TheEmperor | can i ask if kernel 2.6 is stable to use? |
| 14:27.22 | drp | apt-get update neonlightning_ |
| 14:27.35 | drp | I just got it the other day |
| 14:27.38 | jm_ | TheEmperor: evidence shows that you can |
| 14:27.52 | travisat | callipygous: ask dpkg about mplayer, then marillat |
| 14:27.53 | neonlightning_ | i'm using ubuntu and i've done dist-update does that help things at all? |
| 14:27.58 | jair_11 | I get a gtk-WARNING**: cannot open display |
| 14:28.08 | TheEmperor | jm_:ok thanks. we want to run some programs on 2.6 so just wanted to be safe :) |
| 14:28.18 | drp | xmms - Versatile X audio player that looks like Winamp |
| 14:28.21 | drp | shows up in mine |
| 14:28.28 | drp | apt-cache search xmms |
| 14:28.29 | greycat | callipygous: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:28.30 | werdna | how do you undo chmod 777? |
| 14:28.32 | jair_11 | travisat, stew I get a gtk-WARNING**: cannot open display |
| 14:28.35 | greycat | werdna: man chmod |
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| 14:28.40 | jm_ | TheEmperor: some people find it OK, some don't |
| 14:28.45 | drp | chmod 700 |
| 14:28.46 | sep | !tell neonlightning_ about ubuntu |
| 14:28.48 | TheEmperor | jm_: why is that? |
| 14:28.50 | jetscreamer | !ubuntu |
| 14:28.51 | dpkg | i guess ubuntu is NOT Debian, see http://www.ubuntulinux.org. IRC channel is #ubuntu |
| 14:28.57 | jm_ | TheEmperor: because it has bugs? |
| 14:29.13 | TheEmperor | jm: oh, so it's not completely stable yet I guess? .. |
| 14:29.13 | stew | jair_11: are you running this in a terminal in x as the same user that started x? |
| 14:29.29 | jm_ | TheEmperor: well it's stable for my use |
| 14:29.30 | jair_11 | stew, hmm yes |
| 14:29.34 | greycat | stew: don't you just love rhetorical questions? |
| 14:29.42 | TheEmperor | jm: ok.. |
| 14:29.47 | jair_11 | stew, let me change to the user I am as a root |
| 14:29.57 | stew | jair_11: what? |
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| 14:30.04 | greycat | stew: clearly he's a fucking moron. |
| 14:30.04 | travisat | jair_11: never use root |
| 14:30.08 | stew | yeah |
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| 14:30.29 | jair_11 | stew, ok nooo no I am log as a user but I use the terminal as a root. |
| 14:30.36 | jair_11 | don't miss understand |
| 14:30.53 | travisat | well thats why firefox wouldn |
| 14:30.53 | stew | 09:27 < stew> jair_11: are you running this in a terminal in x as the same user that started x? 09:27 < jair_11> stew, hmm yes |
| 14:30.55 | travisat | 't connect |
| 14:31.16 | jair_11 | stew, I get this new error: xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by serevr |
| 14:31.29 | stew | jair_11: you get that error when running as root? |
| 14:31.43 | jair_11 | stew, yes but the first one |
| 14:31.51 | greycat | *PLONK* |
| 14:31.54 | stew | yeah |
| 14:31.55 | greycat | just *watching* that is painful! |
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| 14:31.59 | resiak | greycat: Then don'tl |
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| 14:32.07 | stew | resiak: hence the plonk.. |
| 14:32.09 | jair_11 | travisat, stew I get a gtk-WARNING**: cannot open display (error as a root on the terminal) |
| 14:32.18 | drp | lol |
| 14:32.19 | resiak | stew: Yes. |
| 14:32.22 | stew | jair_11: dont use root |
| 14:32.45 | drp | no I don't feel like such a newb |
| 14:32.57 | drp | now* |
| 14:32.59 | jair_11 | stew, I get this new error: xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server (this is the error as a user) |
| 14:33.00 | callipygous | okay |
| 14:33.04 | callipygous | you guys get all the spammers |
| 14:33.22 | callipygous | this is the only freenode channel ive gotten spammed in |
| 14:33.32 | greycat | callipygous: we're a high-visibility target |
| 14:33.50 | callipygous | hmmm |
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| 14:33.55 | resiak | greycat: Is *plonk* your /ignore sound effect? |
| 14:34.00 | joefso | what mail client do you guys use? |
| 14:34.01 | jair_11 | stew, what do you think is causing this error for firefox? |
| 14:34.08 | greycat | !*plonk* |
| 14:34.08 | dpkg | it has been said that plonk is the sound that a name makes when hitting the ignore list or killfile |
| 14:34.10 | abrotman | !tell jair_11 about run stuff as root |
| 14:34.18 | joefso | heh |
| 14:34.22 | resiak | greycat: Ah. |
| 14:34.31 | jair_11 | abrotman, I am not running things as a root please stop |
| 14:34.45 | greycat | it's a Usenet term from back in the 90s. |
| 14:34.50 | abrotman | jair_11: if you login as a user .. and then open a term and su .. you are root .. you're trying to run things as root |
| 14:35.08 | jair_11 | I am always accesing as a user then in the terminal I switch as a root because if not I can not make my changes. |
| 14:35.08 | abrotman | resiak: still dvorak ? |
| 14:35.11 | resiak | abrotman: Nope. |
| 14:35.19 | jair_11 | ok |
| 14:35.24 | abrotman | jair_11: which is exactly what i just said ... |
| 14:35.24 | resiak | abrotman: My Tuxkey-ful keyboard arrives tomorrow! |
| 14:35.29 | abrotman | !punish me |
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| 14:35.42 | abrotman | resiak: no happy hacker? |
| 14:35.45 | travisat | jair_11: are you in X? |
| 14:35.50 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok how I should install mozilla-firefox? I need to use apt-get install as a user? |
| 14:35.55 | ricky_clarkson | root |
| 14:35.56 | jair_11 | travisat, yes |
| 14:35.58 | stew | jair_11: are you sure you are running firefox as the same user that started x? |
| 14:36.02 | travisat | just making sure |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | jair_11: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 14:36.21 | keko_ | do debian have package for mplayer |
| 14:36.24 | resiak | abrotman: No, I'm getting the same board that directhex|work has. |
| 14:36.28 | resiak | !tell keko_ about mplayer |
| 14:36.29 | travisat | jair_11: is there *any* gnome programs installed |
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| 14:36.38 | werdna | cp: omitting directory `wallpapers of hindu gods and goddess/' |
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| 14:36.44 | werdna | why does cp omit directory? |
| 14:36.47 | stew | jair_11: its not a firefox problem, if 0.0 is refusing connections you cannot start any x client |
| 14:36.48 | Rambo3 | !tell /me mplayer |
| 14:36.52 | abrotman | ah |
| 14:36.54 | ricky_clarkson | werdna: Because you didn't specify recursion. |
| 14:37.08 | keko_ | what is good movie player for debian ? |
| 14:37.10 | ricky_clarkson | werdna: man cp and look for 'recurs'. |
| 14:37.13 | werdna | I want to copy the folder to the desktop |
| 14:37.14 | travisat | keko_: vlc |
| 14:37.18 | Rambo3 | !tell Rambo3 mplayer |
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| 14:37.21 | jair_11 | stew yes, the user is "foo" and if I try : apt-get install mozilla-firefox it will give me an error so I need to do in the terminal: su - password root and then run the : apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 14:37.25 | resiak | !tell Rambo3 about msgdpkg |
| 14:37.27 | stew | Rambo3: /msg dpkg mplayer |
| 14:37.27 | pingouin_ | keko_: ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/index.html |
| 14:37.33 | jair_11 | guys don;t make my situation more complicated |
| 14:37.38 | jair_11 | it is easy to understand |
| 14:37.41 | resiak | jair_11: Yes, and then once you've installed firefox, run it as a normal user. |
| 14:37.44 | abrotman | jair_11: apt-get install mozilla-firefox |
| 14:37.46 | stew | my god |
| 14:37.53 | jair_11 | ok |
| 14:37.53 | abrotman | jair_11: but you can't run firefox as root in the user's X session |
| 14:37.58 | abrotman | well . you can .. but don't |
| 14:37.59 | ricky_clarkson | stew: You rang? |
| 14:38.06 | abrotman | for the safety of the internet |
| 14:38.11 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok |
| 14:38.14 | PerfDave | abrotman: You can, but it's almost certainly a bad idea. |
| 14:38.26 | abrotman | PerfDave: that's what i said :) |
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| 14:39.17 | pingouin_ | karaille |
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| 14:39.20 | jair_11 | oh friends. I did this as root: on the therminal |
| 14:39.21 | pingouin_ | ou karaï ? |
| 14:39.27 | pingouin_ | oops |
| 14:39.35 | ricky_clarkson | Therminal thocks? |
| 14:39.38 | abrotman | pingouin_: do you need a !fr ? |
| 14:39.45 | jair_11 | and remmember I am not so newbie to start the computer logging as a "root" |
| 14:39.45 | luite | is there a simple apt-get command to fix all unmet dependencies (because of a failed upgrade due to a problem with a package)? |
| 14:39.53 | jair_11 | I am loge as a user "foo" |
| 14:39.59 | abrotman | oh dear |
| 14:40.01 | jair_11 | and I remove the firefox again |
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| 14:40.24 | jair_11 | now I need to do apt-get install mozilla-firefox as a user that is what abrotman is saying. |
| 14:40.27 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: Please could you type your question on one line. |
| 14:40.29 | abrotman | no .. not at all |
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| 14:40.35 | jair_11 | it will give me a crappi error |
| 14:40.37 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: It's difficult to follow this ramble. |
| 14:40.40 | fez | Hello there, I'm starting to get more and more afraid I've screwed things up, I've used dpkg to install some packages from testing onto a woody system, but the packages didn't install quite, they're listed as unpacked now, how do I undo all my fiddling and remove the packages again? |
| 14:40.45 | jair_11 | that I need to run apt-get install mozilla-firefox as a root |
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| 14:41.00 | abrotman | jair_11: su ... <enter password> .. apt-get install mozilla-firefox .. logout of the root shell .. run `mozilla-firefox` |
| 14:41.00 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, ok\ |
| 14:41.00 | stew | jair_11: you do not have a firefox problem don't bother reinstalling it |
| 14:41.05 | resiak | luite: Are you on Sid? |
| 14:41.11 | jair_11 | abrotman, ok |
| 14:41.12 | pingouin_ | abrotman: noo i need 1kg of good weed some coke and hookers will be great |
| 14:41.22 | pingouin_ | abrotman: you can help ? ;) |
| 14:41.26 | abrotman | pingouin_: how abut some crappy american beer? |
| 14:41.30 | abrotman | !beer pingouin_ |
| 14:41.35 | abrotman | close enough |
| 14:41.36 | pingouin_ | abrotman: go to hell |
| 14:41.36 | resiak | pingouin_: abrotman sold his CD drive for acid. |
| 14:41.37 | pingouin_ | ;) |
| 14:41.38 | ricky_clarkson | Oi, that's crappy British beer. |
| 14:41.43 | travisat | fez: dpkg -r -a |
| 14:41.45 | luite | resiak: yup |
| 14:41.59 | resiak | luite: You shouldn't be if you have to ask questions like that. |
| 14:42.07 | pingouin_ | abrotman: get the ticket i'm living near the belgium border, you'll discover what beer is ;) |
| 14:42.11 | werdna | oh sweet |
| 14:42.11 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Yeah, canned Boddies is ming. Cask is OK though. |
| 14:42.12 | resiak | luite: apt-get remove the package that caused problems. |
| 14:42.17 | werdna | a user can mount the filesystem |
| 14:42.19 | werdna | then get files from there |
| 14:42.21 | werdna | :) |
| 14:42.21 | abrotman | pingouin_: monkscafe.com .. closest i'll get |
| 14:42.23 | werdna | WOORDDD |
| 14:42.25 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: I like dark beer. |
| 14:42.25 | resiak | !tell werdna -about enter |
| 14:42.28 | jair_11 | abrotman, I did exacly what you told me: and the bouncing crap stay doing that and it never opens the firefox. |
| 14:42.36 | jair_11 | it just disappear this is a BUG |
| 14:42.36 | abrotman | bouncing crap ? |
| 14:42.38 | pingouin_ | :) |
| 14:42.39 | ricky_clarkson | "bouncing crap stay doing that"? |
| 14:42.40 | resiak | abrotman: KDE |
| 14:42.42 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: I like dark beer too, but draft Boddies is OK. |
| 14:42.48 | jair_11 | bouncing icon |
| 14:42.48 | abrotman | oh .. kde sucks .. stop using it |
| 14:42.53 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 14:42.59 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: Consoles don't have bouncing icons. |
| 14:43.03 | jair_11 | abrotman, I think kde is very good |
| 14:43.06 | resiak | jair_11: Are there any error message in the console from which you ran Firefox? |
| 14:43.10 | abrotman | kde sucks so bad .. it makes PerfDave beat up people |
| 14:43.11 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: Ctrl-Alt-F1 |
| 14:43.11 | resiak | !start a dm war |
| 14:43.11 | dpkg | kdm is just shit! |
| 14:43.14 | stew | jair_11: forget firefox, its not a firefox bug, try starting any application from that command line and you'll get the same error |
| 14:43.17 | Nosf3ratu | jair_11, start firefox from a terminal. |
| 14:43.21 | luite | resiak: that's the way I used to do it, but I hoped that there would be a more automated option, but I couldn't find it in the man page |
| 14:43.24 | stew | jair_11: you have a problem with XAUTHORITY env var or something |
| 14:43.27 | PerfDave | KDE is teh win. |
| 14:43.29 | werdna | what does 0 for dump and 2 for pass mean in the Fstab? |
| 14:43.30 | jair_11 | resiak, I copy both errors long time ago |
| 14:43.36 | jair_11 | scroll back |
| 14:43.39 | Nosf3ratu | the "bouncing crap" is kde's user feedback mechanism to let you know that it's starting an application. |
| 14:43.41 | jair_11 | ok |
| 14:43.42 | Nosf3ratu | (or trying to) |
| 14:43.44 | ricky_clarkson | me copy you long time |
| 14:43.47 | Nosf3ratu | haha |
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| 14:43.52 | resiak | luite: That _is_ automated! |
| 14:44.12 | resiak | luite: What were you hoping for? |
| 14:44.18 | jair_11 | : xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server (this is the error as a user) |
| 14:44.21 | keko_ | do divx subs work in vlc |
| 14:44.28 | jair_11 | : xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server (this is the error as a user) running from the terminal |
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| 14:44.37 | abrotman | jair_11: can you run any other apps as the user? |
| 14:44.49 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: run 'whoami' |
| 14:44.57 | jair_11 | xlib: XDM authorization key matches an exissting client |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | jair_11: are you typing `mozilla-firefox` or finding it in them enu ? |
| 14:45.03 | abrotman | the menu |
| 14:45.15 | jair_11 | xlib: XDM authorization key matches an exissting client (this is the other line of the error) |
| 14:45.44 | abrotman | i doubt it says exissting :) |
| 14:45.54 | resiak | abrotman: You mean "I doubt it say exissting :)" I think :) |
| 14:45.54 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, appears the user "foo" |
| 14:46.08 | abrotman | resiak: heh |
| 14:46.10 | werdna | Do I have to restart so that fstab effects will take places? |
| 14:46.11 | fez | travisat> hrm, looks like the files are not marked to be removed, guess I'll have to delve into dselect and try to figure out how to do that? |
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| 14:46.18 | jair_11 | abrotman, yes I install at the same time same way xchat and work perfecly |
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| 14:46.31 | jair_11 | the menu |
| 14:46.33 | resiak | werdna: No. |
| 14:46.34 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: Are you logged into X as "foo"? |
| 14:46.38 | abrotman | jair_11: start firefox from the menu .. not the shell |
| 14:46.44 | werdna | I edited fstab so that users could mount a certain partition and it won't let me mount it. |
| 14:46.44 | jair_11 | yes it say existing |
| 14:46.48 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, I think he already tried that... |
| 14:46.51 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, yes |
| 14:46.55 | jair_11 | as a foo |
| 14:46.59 | abrotman | Nosf3ratu: then can we take his computer away? :) |
| 14:47.04 | jair_11 | abrotman, I did that |
| 14:47.15 | jair_11 | it bouncing and dis appear |
| 14:47.17 | fabietto | I recompiled a 2.6.8 kernel and it seems to work. I've got just a problem... when i did the "make && make install" command from /usr/src/linux, the script didn't create the /lib/modules/2.6.8 directory as I (and the system) expected... how can i resolve this? |
| 14:47.18 | resiak | werdna: Then you've got the line wrong. |
| 14:47.22 | abrotman | jair_11: did you try asking #debian-kde ? |
| 14:47.23 | resiak | !tell fabietto about kpkg |
| 14:47.29 | Nosf3ratu | if only, abrotman. if only... |
| 14:47.30 | abrotman | if you really feel it's a kde bug .. ask them |
| 14:47.32 | resiak | fabietto: Ignore that. |
| 14:47.34 | resiak | !tell fabietto about make-kpkg |
| 14:47.35 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: What's firefox got to do with kde? |
| 14:47.38 | jair_11 | abrotman, not nice solution :( |
| 14:47.41 | werdna | /dev/hdb5 /mnt/win/win2 vfat auto,user 0 2 |
| 14:47.42 | stew | abrotman: you know its not a kde bug though, right? |
| 14:47.43 | Nosf3ratu | jair_11, it's not a kde bug. |
| 14:47.43 | jair_11 | ok |
| 14:47.43 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: i have no idea! |
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| 14:47.50 | luite | resiak: hm, dunno, guess my reasonig was wrong... :) |
| 14:47.52 | Nosf3ratu | jair_11, try logging out of kde and back in. try it again. |
| 14:47.54 | jair_11 | I don't thing so |
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| 14:47.55 | werdna | that is the line in Fstab |
| 14:47.56 | abrotman | stew: i also know i don't speak jair :) |
| 14:47.58 | resiak | werdna: So users can mount it, but not write to it? |
| 14:47.59 | stew | yeah |
| 14:47.59 | jair_11 | ok |
| 14:48.03 | jair_11 | OI will log out |
| 14:48.08 | abrotman | try that .. |
| 14:48.08 | stew | jair_11: /msg dpkg mit-magic-cookie |
| 14:48.11 | werdna | resiak, right. |
| 14:48.14 | abrotman | or try logging in as another user |
| 14:48.18 | resiak | !tell werdna about vfatrw |
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| 14:48.21 | luite | still have this error with installing libwxgtk2.4-python_2.4.2.6: trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/helpviewer', which is also in package wxpython2.5.3 |
| 14:48.25 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: If you log out of X and log in as a *new* user, and try it, what happens? Hint: Don't log in to X as root. |
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| 14:48.48 | fabietto | resiak: ok, so you suggest to use the "debain method" to recompile the kernel, right? |
| 14:48.49 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, I know my friend I am not moron |
| 14:48.51 | resiak | werdna: So when you said "it won't let me mount it" that was not true? |
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| 14:49.02 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: Don't take it as an insult, I'm just making sure. |
| 14:49.04 | resiak | fabietto: No, I suggest you use the Debian method :) |
| 14:49.11 | ricky_clarkson | !debain |
| 14:49.11 | dpkg | Debian! D-E-B-I-A-N! The first DPL was not named "Ain". Sheesh! |
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| 14:49.23 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, ok |
| 14:49.25 | resiak | fabietto: And it's not "make install" for the kernel, anyway. |
| 14:49.38 | fabietto | resiak: ah, ok... |
| 14:49.40 | jair_11 | I log off and log in again as a foo and the same thing |
| 14:49.45 | werdna | resiak, I am trying to mount as a user, not root. |
| 14:49.46 | jair_11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:49.51 | jair_11 | do not run |
| 14:49.53 | greycat | luite: dpkg -i --force-overwite /var/cache/apt/archives/whatever |
| 14:49.55 | fabietto | resiak: i will get a try... thank you very much! |
| 14:49.55 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: Log in as a different user, not the same one again. |
| 14:50.01 | resiak | werdna: But wait. You just said that users can _mount_ it but not write it? |
| 14:50.04 | ricky_clarkson | jair_11: What's your native language? |
| 14:50.18 | ricky_clarkson | werdna: man chmod |
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| 14:50.19 | abrotman | werdna: man chmod |
| 14:50.21 | ricky_clarkson | werdna: and info chmod |
| 14:50.43 | jair_11 | ricky_clarkson, ok my native language deutsch |
| 14:50.55 | ricky_clarkson | !german |
| 14:50.55 | dpkg | from memory, german is #debian.de - deutschsprachige Debian-Hilfe gibt es in #debian.de |
| 14:51.05 | werdna | ok that was easy read = r w = write and x = execute |
| 14:51.08 | ricky_clarkson | You might find them easier to understand, and vice-versa. |
| 14:51.16 | stew | jair_11: are you using kanotix right now? |
| 14:51.16 | ricky_clarkson | werdna: Ok, now why are there three sets? |
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| 14:51.22 | jair_11 | haha third person telling me the same |
| 14:51.28 | werdna | ricky_clarkson, Good question :) |
| 14:51.29 | jair_11 | thank you I am from Venezuela |
| 14:51.36 | abrotman | wtf? |
| 14:51.48 | abrotman | he's from venezuela speaking dutch in an english channel ? |
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| 14:51.49 | WiFiTux | I've been trying to use proxy and apt-get, I know I have to use the apt config file with the : and all that, but someone knows the syntax? |
| 14:51.50 | Nosf3ratu | People in Venezuela speak Dutch? |
| 14:51.57 | jair_11 | hahaha |
| 14:51.57 | WiFiTux | Nosf3ratu, spanish |
| 14:52.00 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Deutsch is German. |
| 14:52.06 | Nosf3ratu | WiFiTux, _I_ know that. |
| 14:52.06 | abrotman | oh |
| 14:52.08 | ricky_clarkson | But he was lying about speaking German. |
| 14:52.08 | abrotman | even better |
| 14:52.16 | jm_ | WiFiTux: man apt.conf ; read stuff in /usr/share/doc/apt |
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| 14:52.23 | jair_11 | ok guys, thank you I will look on google the errors : |
| 14:52.24 | WiFiTux | jm_, k |
| 14:52.27 | ricky_clarkson | Well, actually, in German, Deutsch is German *and* Dutch, which is silly. |
| 14:52.32 | jair_11 | : xlib connection to ":0.0" refused by server (this is the error as a user) running from the terminal |
| 14:52.39 | |ac3| | I have a strange problem: i compiled a new kernel and then built an initrd image |
| 14:52.39 | jair_11 | xlib: XDM authorization key matches an exissting client |
| 14:52.40 | |ac3| | make-kpkg clean; fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image |
| 14:52.40 | |ac3| | added megaraid_mbox and megaraid_mm to /etc/mkinitrd/modules |
| 14:52.40 | |ac3| | mkinitrd -o initrd.img-2.6.8_custom.1.0 2.6.8 |
| 14:52.50 | |ac3| | FATAL: Module megaraid not found. |
| 14:52.51 | |ac3| | FATAL: Module sd_mod not found. |
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| 14:52.58 | abrotman | !initrd |
| 14:52.58 | dpkg | i heard initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 14:53.00 | resiak | |ac3|: Stop pasting. |
| 14:53.15 | |ac3| | why does it search for these 2 modules?? |
| 14:53.18 | |ac3| | sorry |
| 14:54.22 | travisat | jair_11: are you running from a terminal or the console |
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| 14:54.23 | werdna | first four digits rwxr <-- group. Next two are the user ID xr. and the last one is sticky |
| 14:54.35 | Nosf3ratu | travisat, scroll up and let it die. |
| 14:55.07 | werdna | rwxr-xr-x means the group can rwxr the user can xr and not sure what the sticky does |
| 14:55.15 | greycat | werdna: man chmod |
| 14:55.17 | Nosf3ratu | werdna, look at it as 3 groups of 3 with an optional bit in front. |
| 14:55.17 | Simplexe | hi, how to know if the ethernet card is reconized by the debian ? |
| 14:55.20 | greycat | werdna: and get a UNIX book. |
| 14:55.28 | Nosf3ratu | werdna, rwx(user)rwx(group)rwx(everyone) |
| 14:55.40 | greycat | Simplexe: lsmod, ifconfig -a, dmesg |
| 14:56.03 | werdna | yeah I just re-read and figured out what I was doing wrong |
| 14:56.07 | Simplexe | ok greycat |
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| 14:56.39 | Zta | How do I make X lock and have the screen go *blank* after 10 minutes of inactivety? |
| 14:56.49 | luite | greycat: ok. but it seems that the wxpython package (which is already installed) should replace the one I'm installing. I'd rather have it not overwrite the file. what should I use, --refuse-overwrite doesn't work |
| 14:56.54 | Zta | Seem liks using programs like xlock is a entire project itself |
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| 14:57.17 | resiak | Zta: Use xscreensaver :) |
| 14:57.29 | pingouin_ | oui |
| 14:57.34 | pingouin_ | oopps |
| 14:57.52 | pingouin_ | the beer is good abrotman ;) i still mix the irssi split windows |
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| 14:58.45 | abrotman | pingouin_: mix ? |
| 14:58.52 | abrotman | miss ? |
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| 14:58.57 | abrotman | oh .. mix up |
| 14:59.06 | greycat | luite: making up random flags doesn't work. you can only use the flags that are actually PROGRAMMED into the PROGRAM. |
| 14:59.07 | werdna | thank you for the help everyone :) |
| 14:59.09 | Zta | resiak, Ah! Finally a usable program! |
| 14:59.12 | keko_ | abrotman: can you tell me one thing.. |
| 14:59.14 | elwood | hi all |
| 14:59.29 | pingouin_ | sorry my english...is awful i know |
| 14:59.45 | elwood | can i transfer an application from knoppix to my box? |
| 14:59.52 | abrotman | keko_: depends what it is |
| 14:59.58 | ricky_clarkson | elwood: 1. Probably. 2. DON'T! |
| 15:00.06 | travisat | elwood: err just install it on you box |
| 15:00.12 | abrotman | er .. don't |
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| 15:00.26 | abrotman | is keko_ going to ask ? |
| 15:00.33 | ricky_clarkson | elwood: What package? |
| 15:00.33 | resiak | abrotman: No. |
| 15:00.34 | elwood | but in knoppix is already downloaded...by the way if is so terrible i don't |
| 15:00.40 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Just pick a thing to tell him at random. |
| 15:00.41 | greycat | abrotman: maybe that was the one thing. |
| 15:00.41 | keko_ | i have dsl connection and i have in my network 7 computers... i want make debian powered NAT i have one computer with 2 network card.. i was thinking to install debian on it and make it.. is that hard.. |
| 15:00.42 | Nosf3ratu | abrotman, he just wants you to tell him one thing. |
| 15:00.44 | Nosf3ratu | any random thing. |
| 15:00.45 | luite | greycat: well, the manpage mentions --force-[things], --no-force-[things] and --refuse-[things], and lists overwrite as one of the options, so I certainly didn't make it up completely |
| 15:00.45 | resiak | elwood: It's so terrible. |
| 15:00.47 | elwood | ricky_clarkson, battle for wesnoth :) |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | !it |
| 15:00.52 | dpkg | it has been said that italian is per aiuto in lingua italiana: /j #debian-it, (anche /j #linux-it). Otterrete sicuramente piu' aiuto li', bischeri! For help in italian /j #debian-it or /j #linux-it |
| 15:00.59 | ricky_clarkson | elwood: Download the Debian package separately. |
| 15:01.03 | abrotman | keko_: do i get to pick the one thing ? |
| 15:01.10 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.10 | greycat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:01.12 | abrotman | elwood: apt-get install wesnoth ? |
| 15:01.14 | elwood | ricky_clarkson, i am doing it |
| 15:01.21 | keko_ | abrotman: what you mean? |
| 15:01.24 | elwood | just because i am 56k |
| 15:01.31 | abrotman | keko_: you said you were going to ask me a question |
| 15:01.35 | Simplexe | greycat: there is a line where i can read via-rhine.c:v1.08b-lk1...... is it the eth card ? |
| 15:01.36 | abrotman | keko_: /lastlog keko_ |
| 15:01.42 | greycat | Simplexe: yes |
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| 15:01.48 | abrotman | keko_: <keko_> abrotman: can you tell me one thing.. |
| 15:01.50 | ricky_clarkson | elwood: non li capisco |
| 15:01.51 | greycat | via-rhine is the built-in VIA ethernet chipset |
| 15:01.54 | abrotman | what do you want me to tell you ? |
| 15:02.22 | resiak | abrotman: He did in fact ask. |
| 15:02.28 | Simplexe | greycat : plz the commands to configure ip, dns and gateway . |
| 15:02.29 | abrotman | resiak: he did? |
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| 15:02.56 | hikenboot | hello all Thanks for your time in advance. I am having trouble locating a drivers for a SATA controler its an Adaptec ASH-1205 SA does anyone know where i can get linux drivers for it? |
| 15:02.56 | abrotman | resiak: oh .. he didn't direct it at me |
| 15:02.58 | keko_ | abrotman: i want make computer whitch have 2 networkcards... whitch is debian powered.. i dont know what its name NAT maybee |
| 15:02.59 | stew | Simplexe: man 5 interfaces ; man 5 resolv.conf |
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| 15:03.06 | keko_ | can i make that with debian |
| 15:03.17 | resiak | abrotman: Well, no. |
| 15:03.26 | abrotman | keko_: yes .. you can make debian be a router |
| 15:03.58 | ricky_clarkson | elwood: Do not /msg me. |
| 15:04.16 | keko_ | yeah.. one networkcard in in internet and another share local ip.. |
| 15:04.24 | abrotman | it's called a router |
| 15:04.30 | keko_ | allright.. |
| 15:04.32 | abrotman | and firewall |
| 15:04.37 | abrotman | both are good |
| 15:04.43 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: be a networking barbie |
| 15:04.44 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:04.46 | lu | greetings, if running unstable, how to install stable software and limit that package to stable. (ie next time i do an apt-get update upgrade it doesn't go unstable) |
| 15:04.47 | FieldySnuts | bleh. |
| 15:04.50 | keko_ | good =) i start it now :P |
| 15:04.53 | stew | abrotman: is it snowing yet there? |
| 15:04.54 | werdna | /dev/hdb5 /mnt/win/win2 vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 15:04.54 | werdna | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.55 | resiak | !bobbitt |
| 15:04.56 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 15:05.06 | PerfDave | lu: You almost certainly can't. Read the APT HOWTO. |
| 15:05.09 | lu | I do not want to compile from scratch, lol (laz i guess |
| 15:05.21 | ricky_clarkson | lu: You can hold the package. |
| 15:05.22 | resiak | !laz |
| 15:05.22 | FieldySnuts | then don't |
| 15:05.27 | abrotman | stew: i have no i window .. but as of an hour ago . no |
| 15:05.29 | lu | thanks PerfD |
| 15:05.42 | abrotman | stew: i have no window .. |
| 15:05.45 | lu | I guess I need debian box numero Dos. |
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| 15:06.06 | abrotman | stew: http://weather.yahoo.com/forecast/USPA1858.html .. says no |
| 15:06.30 | abrotman | stew: i expect by a little after 12pm |
| 15:06.46 | werdna | Does anyone see anything wrong with my fstab? |
| 15:06.51 | resiak | lu: Do you know about tab completion |
| 15:06.53 | resiak | lu: ? |
| 15:06.54 | ricky_clarkson | It's wet and cold here. |
| 15:07.10 | ricky_clarkson | lu: Per<tab> |
| 15:07.13 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: it's about to be very wet .. and cold here :) |
| 15:07.13 | PerfDave | Hmm, I've got a CD here. It's supposed to have some data on, but either it's a bad burn or it wasn't finalised or something. I can't mount the CD, is there any way to see if there's usable data on and recover it? |
| 15:07.15 | greycat | werdna: show us an "ls -ld" on the mount point after it's been mounted. |
| 15:07.20 | werdna | ok |
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| 15:07.44 | lu | yes, resiak. Tab completion is awesome |
| 15:07.49 | stew | awesome, use it |
| 15:07.56 | resiak | lu: So why "thanks PerfD" |
| 15:08.04 | werdna | drwxr--r-- 30 root root 32768 1969-12-31 18:00 . |
| 15:08.13 | werdna | :( did not make it for the user |
| 15:08.23 | werdna | mount /dev/hdb5 /mnt/win/win2/ -t vfat |
| 15:08.26 | werdna | that is the mount command I use |
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| 15:08.37 | FieldySnuts | you need execute perms on that mountpoint for group and other if you want them to be able to get into it |
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| 15:08.43 | lu | I didn't know X-chat had tab completion?, only cmd line. resiak |
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| 15:09.10 | resiak | werdna: Have you remounted it since changing your fstab? Also try just mount /mnt/win/win2 |
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| 15:09.16 | ricky_clarkson | lu: Que? |
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| 15:09.26 | werdna | resiak, good idea |
| 15:09.35 | resiak | werdna: The first or the second? |
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| 15:09.43 | |ac3| | I´ve read http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230, but i still don´t get why mkinitrd tries to use these modules |
| 15:09.45 | |ac3| | :( |
| 15:09.56 | lu | Oye' Como va, ricky |
| 15:09.56 | boyracerr | would appreciate any help regarding virtual packages and apt-get |
| 15:09.57 | werdna | drwxrwxr-x 30 werdna werdna 32768 1969-12-31 18:00 . |
| 15:10.00 | werdna | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT! |
| 15:10.03 | sussudio | greycat: /cycle |
| 15:10.04 | werdna | thank you resiak |
| 15:10.05 | resiak | |ac3|: Use make-kpkg for starters. |
| 15:10.12 | |ac3| | i do use that |
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| 15:10.18 | fernando | it is posible to change the asociate program of a type of file from the console in Gnome? |
| 15:10.21 | stew | boyracerr: you need to ask a question |
| 15:10.21 | omry | how do I connect to a shared printer on a windows domain? |
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| 15:10.26 | resiak | werdna: Which one was the idea you used? |
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| 15:10.40 | boyracerr | I am trying to install the php-gd libraries |
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| 15:10.43 | werdna | I umount. Then I mount /mnt/win/win2 |
| 15:10.46 | boyracerr | apt-get install apt-gd4 |
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| 15:10.48 | sussudio | ktnx. |
| 15:10.50 | werdna | so Fstab is working good :) |
| 15:10.55 | boyracerr | sorry apt-get install php4-gd |
| 15:10.56 | |ac3| | megaraid2 is not in my kernel config, so why does mkinitrd tries to use it? |
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| 15:10.59 | travisat | |ac3|: why do you want to use initrd? |
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| 15:11.17 | |ac3| | because my kernel doesn´t boot without |
| 15:11.18 | boyracerr | i get dependency failure due to lack of the zendapi2001 virtual package |
| 15:11.29 | travisat | |ac3|: why doesn't it |
| 15:11.31 | boyracerr | however this is just virtual for php4, which is installed |
| 15:11.40 | boyracerr | how can i make the package manager understand this? |
| 15:12.07 | |ac3| | default debian kernels do n oot boot on a poweredge 2850, so i compiled my own kernel (first time:) |
| 15:12.13 | alexscott | plop |
| 15:12.20 | Simplexe | sorry but when i tape ifconfig i have not eth0 but only lo : seems not reconizing the ethernet card ? |
| 15:12.43 | travisat | |ac3|: compile in the fs and the harddrive modules, and you shouldn't need initrd |
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| 15:13.02 | |ac3| | i cannot findout how to do it |
| 15:13.33 | |ac3| | in the kernel config file i tried to compile the megaraid modules in the kernel, but no luck |
| 15:13.34 | travisat | |ac3|: in the menuconfig type y on your harddrive, and your file-systems |
| 15:13.42 | |ac3| | ah |
| 15:13.51 | boyracerr | i know i could force install, but I don't want to start breaking things |
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| 15:14.40 | Rambo3 | error X11 support required for GUI compilation . what app do i need |
| 15:14.48 | stew | boyracerr: is this sarge or woody? |
| 15:14.50 | travisat | |ac3|: the harddrive controller is either ata or scsi, you need to know what type and what driver |
| 15:15.00 | greycat | Rambo3: it's on the front page of the FAQ. |
| 15:15.07 | |ac3| | idd |
| 15:15.26 | |ac3| | i forgot ext3fs (it is a module in my current config) |
| 15:15.29 | boyracerr | woody |
| 15:15.29 | |ac3| | thx |
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| 15:16.13 | stew | !depends php4-gd |
| 15:16.18 | dpkg | php4-gd: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.2.ds1-4), libfreetype6 (>= 2.1.5-1), libgd2-xpm (>= 2.0.33), libjpeg62, libpng12-0 (>= 1.2.8rel), libt1-5 (>= 5.0.2), libx11-6 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), libxpm4 | xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.2.1), debconf (>= 0.5) | debconf-2.0, phpapi-20020918-zts, php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-7) |
| 15:16.19 | stew | err |
| 15:16.24 | stew | !depends php4-gd woody |
| 15:16.27 | dpkg | php4-gd: depends on libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), libfreetype6, libgd1 (>= 1.8.4-11) | libgd1-noxpm (>= 1.8.4-11), libjpeg62, libpng2(>=1.0.12), t1lib1, xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4), zendapi-20010901 |
| 15:16.55 | no-id | how do i apt-get install cyrus-imapd with sasl support compiled into it ? |
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| 15:18.00 | boyracerr | yes, installation depends on zend-api20010901 |
| 15:18.00 | keko_ | abrotman: still here ? |
| 15:18.04 | jsolis | can any one help me please? |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | keko_: barely |
| 15:18.08 | resiak | abrotman: Hide! |
| 15:18.09 | greycat | !tell jsolis about ask |
| 15:18.15 | stew | !provides zendapi-20010901 woody |
| 15:18.18 | travisat | no-id:learn how to compile from source, the debian method preferably |
| 15:18.21 | boyracerr | fails due to the lack of this package |
| 15:18.28 | stew | !provides php4 woody |
| 15:18.29 | Nosf3ratu | if you have multiple sound cards, how to tell alsa which card to use? |
| 15:18.31 | dpkg | php4: php4-xml, zendapi-20010901 |
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| 15:18.42 | stew | boyracerr: so php4 provides zendapi ^^^ |
| 15:18.46 | directhex|work | Nosf3ratu, man asound.conf |
| 15:18.47 | boyracerr | yes |
| 15:18.51 | jsolis | I installed debian and i need to acces my network but i have no icon or way to get to the network, can you please enlight me on this matter? |
| 15:18.52 | boyracerr | but php4 is installed |
| 15:18.52 | stew | boyracerr: do you have php4 installed? |
| 15:18.54 | Nosf3ratu | thanks |
| 15:18.57 | boyracerr | oh yes |
| 15:19.04 | boyracerr | thats the problem |
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| 15:19.10 | keko_ | i am installing now that router.. i use netinst cd.. do i have to select some special BOOTMETHOD or is base ok |
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| 15:19.20 | boyracerr | apt-get does not seem to recognise that one provides the other |
| 15:19.28 | stew | boyracerr: when you try to install php4-gd what's the exact error you get? |
| 15:19.50 | abrotman | keko_: start with a normal install |
| 15:19.56 | stew | boyracerr: and what version of php4 do you have installed? (dpkg -l php4) |
| 15:19.58 | boyracerr | Some packages could not be installed........ |
| 15:20.01 | keko_ | okey |
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| 15:20.34 | boyracerr | Following packages have unmet dependencies: php4-gd: Depends: zendapi-20010901 |
| 15:21.01 | boyracerr | 4.3.7-1.dotdeb |
| 15:21.08 | tappleto | hello room |
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| 15:21.10 | jsolis | any ideas on my question? |
| 15:21.17 | boyracerr | package is up to date for stable i think |
| 15:21.17 | tappleto | I just got a problem with debian and java |
| 15:21.26 | stew | !info php4 woody |
| 15:21.30 | dpkg | php4: (A server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.1.2-7.0.1 (woody), Packaged size: 569 kB, Installed size: 1369 kB |
| 15:21.46 | stew | boyracerr: you aren't using a debian package, you need to talk to the dotdeb people |
| 15:21.46 | tappleto | when I try and run intellij then it will not work! |
| 15:21.46 | jsolis | how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon |
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| 15:21.56 | greycat | !pal jsolis |
| 15:21.59 | stew | boyracerr: do you still have a dotdeb source in sources.list? |
| 15:22.02 | K1 | Whats up with ftp.debian.org - the Packages.gz seems to be out of date? |
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| 15:22.14 | petemc | jsolis: if you're expecting a network icon, maybe debian isnt the right distro, have a read of the install guide |
| 15:22.36 | greycat | I wouldn't inflict the install guide on a poor newbie. |
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| 15:22.54 | jsolis | not neccesarely an icon mut just a way to access the network |
| 15:22.56 | petemc | well, its... complete |
| 15:22.59 | ricky_clarkson | jsolis: Dunno, maybe with a web browser? |
| 15:22.59 | boyracerr | yes: packages.dotdeb.org |
| 15:23.07 | boyracerr | sorry but who are they? |
| 15:23.11 | boyracerr | i did not set up the system |
| 15:23.14 | greycat | jsolis: are you installing sarge or woody? |
| 15:23.17 | stew | !dotdeb |
| 15:23.17 | dpkg | dotdeb is, like, for the latest php and mysql releases, packaged up and backported for your pleasure, go to http://dotdeb.org/ |
| 15:23.22 | jsolis | woody |
| 15:23.26 | boyracerr | its down |
| 15:23.30 | greycat | jsolis: PLEASE try sarge instead. |
| 15:23.34 | greycat | !d-i jsolis |
| 15:23.35 | dpkg | jsolis, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 15:23.52 | jsolis | cool |
| 15:23.55 | jsolis | thank you |
| 15:24.12 | jsolis | and sorry for the stupet questions i am new at this can you tell!! |
| 15:24.12 | boyracerr | in fact it rather sounds that it is dead |
| 15:24.18 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd48 is <jsolis> how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon |
| 15:24.18 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 15:24.25 | stew | boyracerr: their repository is still up. it seems that maybe you are getting php4-gd from woody and php4 from dotdeb and that is messing you up |
| 15:24.27 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/47 48 // |
| 15:24.28 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 15:24.28 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: What was it before? |
| 15:24.37 | |ac3| | I want to compile my kernel with a special driver. I have the full version and a patch for 2.6.8. The patch for 2.6.8 works fine, but how can i use the full to include in my 2.6.10 kernel? |
| 15:24.38 | ricky_clarkson | !qotdx |
| 15:24.38 | dpkg | hmm... qotdx is 50 54 56 58 59 60 65 66 67 69 71 75 77 78 81 85 87 88 89 90 94 96 100 |
| 15:24.44 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: qotd48 is Taichi| damn \ Taichi| i want to use a lot of the features in exim4 \ Taichi| but i haven't got a goddamn clue how to use it |
| 15:24.46 | stew | boyracerr: or the dotdeb .debs have packaging problems which is quite likely |
| 15:24.50 | |ac3| | is there some routine for? |
| 15:24.56 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Shit ones that you want to replace? |
| 15:25.03 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: /msg dpkg qotdx |
| 15:25.05 | boyracerr | should I remove it from the list? |
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| 15:25.16 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Um, and? |
| 15:25.17 | boyracerr | how does apt-get know that my php4 is not the right php4 |
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| 15:25.38 | stew | boyracerr: what does apt-cache policy php4-gd say about candidate version? |
| 15:25.45 | greycat | Grrrr... someone's been fucking about. |
| 15:25.48 | greycat | !factinfo qotd |
| 15:25.48 | dpkg | qotd -- last modified at Mon Feb 14 04:16:26 2005 by dan2!dan@dan2.active.supporter.pdpc; it has been requested 6 times, last by greycat, 15s ago. |
| 15:26.15 | |ac3| | The modules are: megaraid_mbox and megaraid_mm |
| 15:26.32 | stew | boyracerr: looking at the dotdeb packages.gz it should be depending on zendapi-2002918, not 2001901 |
| 15:26.40 | greycat | dpkg, no, qotd is <reply> Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 15:26.40 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 15:26.48 | boyracerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.48 | boyracerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.48 | boyracerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.48 | boyracerr | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.48 | boyracerr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:27.18 | boyracerr | sorry |
| 15:27.19 | stew | boyracerr: first of all, don't paste in here |
| 15:27.21 | greycat | although I think #50's acceptable. |
| 15:27.26 | stew | boyracerr: thats your problem though |
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| 15:27.42 | K1 | Is ftp.debian.org b0rked? The packages.gz seems to be 3 days old ... |
| 15:27.44 | stew | boyracerr: its not trying to install the php4-gd from dotdeb which matches your php4 version |
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| 15:28.02 | SeRGiNaToR | hi |
| 15:28.14 | stew | boyracerr: did you remove the dotdeb line? did you apt-get update? |
| 15:28.29 | boyracerr | no |
| 15:28.33 | boyracerr | but i will now |
| 15:28.40 | greycat | 58 is DEFINITELY not x-worthy. |
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| 15:29.00 | stew | boyracerr: no |
| 15:29.02 | Rambo3 | i see no point in upgrading to newer kernel ,everything works |
| 15:29.05 | boyracerr | actually am sorry |
| 15:29.05 | omry | I am trying to configure my debian to use a printer shared on a windows network. what do I need to install? |
| 15:29.08 | stew | boyracerr: don't remove it, just apt-get update |
| 15:29.09 | boyracerr | as i look closer |
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| 15:29.10 | dan2 | !qotd |
| 15:29.11 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 15:29.15 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/50 54 56 58/54/ |
| 15:29.15 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
| 15:29.16 | boyracerr | dotdeb is actually now commented |
| 15:29.23 | boyracerr | my apologies i inherited this box |
| 15:29.25 | jsolis | do you guys recommend sarge or woody |
| 15:29.30 | stew | boyracerr: uncomment it, apt-get update, try apt-get install php4-gd again |
| 15:29.32 | greycat | jsolis: sarge! |
| 15:29.36 | greycat | !FAQ jsolis |
| 15:29.37 | dpkg | jsolis: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 15:29.37 | stew | jsolis: woody for servers, sarge for desktops |
| 15:29.38 | dan2 | asg: ping |
| 15:29.42 | boyracerr | apt-get update runs normally |
| 15:29.49 | boyracerr | but i run it regularly in any case |
| 15:29.51 | greycat | stew: sarge for anyone who thinks there should be a network icon. |
| 15:29.58 | stew | oh, yeah |
| 15:30.16 | jsolis | lol |
| 15:30.21 | stew | hopefully anyone looking for any icons is not running a server |
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| 15:30.22 | travisat | icons? who needs icons? |
| 15:30.26 | boyracerr | so my sources are pretty standard |
| 15:30.40 | stew | boyracerr: dotdeb isn't standard |
| 15:30.46 | greycat | travisat: you missed it. |
| 15:30.59 | greycat | !qotd48 |
| 15:30.59 | dpkg | qotd48 is, like, <jsolis> how can i access my network when i dont have a network icon |
| 15:31.03 | boyracerr | yes but it is actually commented |
| 15:31.12 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
| 15:31.12 | dpkg | < greycat> Venusbeauty: frigidaire < FieldySnuts> greycat: who's here < greycat> FieldySnuts: ssh, we're turing testing. < Venusbeauty> a very good links < Venusbeauty> to see me -!- mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ < Venusbeauty> ey ey < Venusbeauty> you love < Venusbeauty> ?? -!- Venusbeauty was kicked from #debian by greycat [turing test result: failed.] |
| 15:31.26 | boyracerr | someone had added it then commented, sorry i missed the # when i glanced across |
| 15:31.37 | sue_them | where's the best doc about installing a printing service based on debian woody, laser (postscript) printer and heterogeneous network (debian/windoze) ? |
| 15:31.38 | stew | boyracerr: you need to uncomment it, or revert all your php4 stuff back to woody's php 4.1 |
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| 15:31.48 | jsolis | maybe i should of not asked that question |
| 15:31.49 | greycat | that one's too long, and is missing a LOT of necessary context. |
| 15:31.56 | jsolis | can we rewind |
| 15:32.00 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Aye. |
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| 15:32.28 | greycat | !should of |
| 15:32.36 | brain_v | quick question, how to install po files? |
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| 15:32.42 | greycat | dpkg, should of is <reply> GODS DAMN YOU, it's "should have"! Not "should of"! |
| 15:32.42 | dpkg | greycat: what are you talking about? |
| 15:32.42 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: Added to qotdx. |
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| 15:32.56 | boyracerr | i see |
| 15:32.58 | greycat | @kill dpkg |
| 15:33.04 | vincentX | hi |
| 15:33.04 | greycat | dpkg, shouldof is <reply> GODS DAMN YOU, it's "should have"! Not "should of"! |
| 15:33.04 | dpkg | greycat: okay |
| 15:33.09 | boyracerr | could i ask you how apt-get decides which site to use for which package? |
| 15:33.13 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: should \of? |
| 15:33.33 | greycat | boyracerr: highest number wins unless you did something daft like fucking with apt.conf |
| 15:33.35 | brain_v | anyone knows how to install po files language tranlation ? |
| 15:33.45 | K1 | newdebian-mirror.cs.umn.edu is outdated ... and it's one of the ip's behind ftp.debian.org |
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| 15:34.12 | boyracerr | ok i reinstated dotdeb as a repository |
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| 15:34.53 | gudi | hi |
| 15:34.59 | herodes | anyone can help me? I am trying to burn a dvd. When i do it...i am said: "found media: DVD+R (empty), please insert an empty medium (DVD+-R(W)) into drive HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B (dev/hdc) |
| 15:35.25 | gudi | anyone can tell me where i can get infos to build my own debian-installer .. Iwant only to add 3 extra packages that get installed automatic |
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| 15:35.29 | boyracerr | before i do the upgrade... if i afterwards remove dotdeb again and upgrade, will the system revery to its previous state? |
| 15:35.35 | boyracerr | revert? |
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| 15:35.58 | stew | boyracerr: it wont ever replace a newer package with an older package |
| 15:36.06 | asg | dan2: pong |
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| 15:36.17 | boyracerr | i'm just being scaredy, its a production server with a lot of php stuff |
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| 15:36.44 | travisat | boyracerr: server + dotdeb = bad idea |
| 15:36.50 | boyracerr | and this will upgrade six packages |
| 15:36.52 | stew | boyracerr: well likely they have installed 4.3 becuase they needed somehting that 4.1 didn't provide, so you are probably stuck with dotdeb |
| 15:36.54 | greycat | stew: well, unless you tell it to. |
| 15:36.59 | stew | greycat: of course... |
| 15:37.07 | boyracerr | i need 4.3 |
| 15:37.10 | no-id | why do i get configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check when trying to configure for compile |
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| 15:37.15 | greycat | !b-e no-id |
| 15:37.16 | dpkg | no-id: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
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| 15:37.48 | travisat | boyracerr: well good luck |
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| 15:38.09 | no-id | greycat: thanks i will try that |
| 15:38.21 | asg | gudi: /msg dpkg custom netinst |
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| 15:38.53 | stew | boyracerr: until sarge goes stable, dotdeb might be your best alternative, the others would be to backport the php4 packages from sarge yourself, or to run sarge, but running sarge on a production server isn't a great idea unless you are diligent about security since sarge doesnt' get security updates yet |
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| 15:39.17 | boyracerr | right |
| 15:39.34 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: |
| 15:39.36 | ricky_clarkson | !should of |
| 15:39.37 | dpkg | GODS DAMN YOU, it's "should have"! Not "should of"! |
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| 15:40.01 | gudi | asg, there is only descripted howto change the kernel |
| 15:40.05 | travisat | !should noet |
| 15:40.10 | gudi | i want to add wn packages to the installer |
| 15:40.33 | boyracerr | hmm |
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| 15:40.37 | travisat | ahah you didn't do it the cheap way |
| 15:40.43 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: so.... dpkg accepted the factoid, but then gave me an error anyway? Or did you do a rename trick? |
| 15:40.55 | boyracerr | well will give it a try |
| 15:40.56 | asg | gudi: look at the link at the bottom (how to create your own iso) |
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| 15:41.16 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: cmd: should of is <reply> GODS DAMN YOU, it's "should have"! Not "should of"! |
| 15:41.20 | gudi | asg, that i read.. wheer you see howto add own packages? |
| 15:41.38 | gudi | i only see howto replace the kernel and build the image again |
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| 15:42.54 | boyracerr | *holding breath* |
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| 15:42.58 | asg | gudi: bah, try /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 15:43.02 | doub | hi there |
| 15:43.03 | boyracerr | well the sites still work |
| 15:43.23 | gudi | try /msg dpkg custom d-i |
| 15:43.26 | stew | !win boyracerr |
| 15:43.26 | dpkg | Congratulations, boyracerr! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 15:43.31 | bbeattie | 2 quick questions... Is the best or newest debian install cd the one at debian.org/devel/debian-installer (looks like pre-rc2?) or is there another better/newer one? And this has jfs support for the install, right? |
| 15:43.37 | boyracerr | what i always wanted |
| 15:43.58 | boyracerr | on the one hand it feels nice to have updated my versions |
| 15:44.01 | PerfDave | bbeattie: Read the bloody page in question, and the install manual. |
| 15:44.12 | boyracerr | on the other imagecreatefromjpeg() still does not work |
| 15:44.28 | gudi | asg that only explain kernel too .. sorray |
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| 15:44.54 | bbeattie | perldave: Thanks for the *friendly* help. |
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| 15:45.12 | asg | gudi: there is a link to a wiki on remastering the disc |
| 15:45.21 | doub | a little IRC question, what's an "onjoin spammer" i've seen some people complain about recently? i'm asking this because i've got a message from DroP that looks like the definition... |
| 15:45.25 | asg | gudi: and the debian-cd documentation you are supposed to read |
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| 15:45.50 | yuber | hi |
| 15:46.03 | yuber | where to get a sarge-base.tar.gz .,... need it for debootstrap |
| 15:46.06 | doub | greycat: thanks |
| 15:46.18 | doub | greycat: so that's what i though it is |
| 15:46.24 | greycat | doub: yes |
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| 15:46.28 | gudi | asg, that howto i used.. but i get an error from debootstrap that the added package not exost |
| 15:46.31 | gudi | :-( |
| 15:46.36 | asg | gudi: and if that doesn't work for you, consider the 'bootcd' package which will allow you to build a custom live cd from a chroot with whatever kernel you want. |
| 15:47.00 | yuber | i need the base sarge image |
| 15:47.02 | boyracerr | dammit |
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| 15:47.12 | asg | gudi: the benefit of said live cd is that it has a nice script to image the live cd to available hardware on a new machine. That and a simple shell script to do configuration and you're golden |
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| 15:47.42 | bbeattie | perldave: If you read that guide, you'd see it doesn't ever mention supported fs's |
| 15:47.49 | gudi | asg, hmm .. maybe you can help my why it don't find tehe packae i add |
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| 15:48.14 | asg | gudi: why what doesn't find the package? |
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| 15:48.57 | pythonholum | wow i just found out that mozilla has an irc client |
| 15:48.58 | gudi | asg, i get an error from bootstrap that the added package not can be found or downlaoded |
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| 15:49.01 | pythonholum | this is cool |
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| 15:49.25 | abrotman | right |
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| 15:49.38 | asg | gudi: can you download it manually using whatever path debootstrap things it wants to get it from? |
| 15:49.56 | gudi | asg, not understand |
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| 15:50.14 | gudi | i put my new package in pool/main/ |
| 15:50.17 | abrotman | if a person wanted to take over a package .. do you email anyone besides the current maintainer? |
| 15:50.41 | gudi | then make the config file an run apt-ftparchive |
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| 15:51.07 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: /msg dpkg newmaint |
| 15:51.10 | gudi | after that add the package in .disc/base_include |
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| 15:51.17 | gudi | the make the md5sum |
| 15:51.18 | ricky_clarkson | Mustn't grumble. |
| 15:51.23 | gudi | is that right? |
| 15:51.32 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: oh .. have to go through all that eh? .. that's no fun |
| 15:51.37 | gudi | the package is a deb not a udeb |
| 15:51.43 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: same for NMU ? |
| 15:51.53 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: You could always just submit patches. |
| 15:51.58 | ricky_clarkson | !nmu |
| 15:51.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, nmu is Non Maintainer Upload, it's when a debian developer which is not the maintainer of a package uploads an update of said package |
| 15:52.01 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: unresponsive maintainer |
| 15:52.01 | Myren | anyone have recommendations for a console mp3 player please? |
| 15:52.07 | abrotman | ricky_clarkson: yeah .. tried that. . no help |
| 15:52.07 | ricky_clarkson | abrotman: Dunno tbh. |
| 15:52.13 | werdna | where did Heineken originate from? |
| 15:52.17 | ricky_clarkson | Germany |
| 15:52.21 | werdna | WORD! |
| 15:52.33 | abrotman | Myren: mpg123 mpg321 ? |
| 15:52.36 | werdna | Heine is in reference to a German writer who lived in Paris after 1831. His romantic poems and social essays are marked by his love for the German land and people and derision for many modern German institutions. |
| 15:52.42 | werdna | what does Ken mean? |
| 15:52.43 | Myren | abrotman: preferably one with an interface |
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| 15:52.57 | Myren | and by interface i mean some what to control it |
| 15:53.26 | doub | greycat: while we're at the things that need some fixing, the WordIndex page of the wiki FAQ is full of unrelated stuff : http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/WordIndex. but maybe i'm pointing to an ongoing topic |
| 15:53.26 | greycat | werdna: um... that doesn't look like Debian. |
| 15:53.29 | Shadur | ricky_clarkson: I could've sworn it was dutch. |
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| 15:53.42 | greycat | doub: the FAQ got spammed heavily. it's been partially cleaned up.... |
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| 15:54.29 | greycat | tarzeau: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/WordIndex is spam. |
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| 15:55.18 | boyracerr | well, packages updated and all but no change |
| 15:55.25 | boyracerr | still unable to use the function |
| 15:55.28 | greycat | Fuckin' hell. I'm getting 18 packets transmitted, 10 packets received, 44% packet loss on a simple "ping www.yahoo.com". |
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| 15:55.30 | boyracerr | guess i should ask the php guys? |
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| 15:55.52 | coachz | Any idea when PG 8 .deb package might show up? |
| 15:56.36 | greycat | It's really god damned hard to have a watchdog script that relies on "ping www.yahoo.com" as its test of whether I'm still online, if I'm getting 40%+ packet loss. |
| 15:57.07 | ricky_clarkson | I'm sure the Internet will die if www.yahoo.com ever stops responding to pings. |
| 15:57.10 | abrotman | greycat: heh |
| 15:57.59 | boyracerr | heineken is dutch by the way |
| 15:58.35 | dvs | boyracerr: Does it have any "special" ingredients? ;-) |
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| 15:59.06 | doub | greycat: what about the PPP LCP echo requests? |
| 15:59.27 | ricky_clarkson | "We are sorry, but you are not allowed to view this site, as your age does not meet the legal drinking age" |
| 15:59.37 | ricky_clarkson | I wanted to look at it, not drink it. |
| 15:59.41 | greycat | ricky_clarkson: in what country? |
| 15:59.52 | doub | greycat: it shure won't indicate that ISP's network is faulty, but what can you do about that? |
| 15:59.52 | ricky_clarkson | I just entered a false date of birth, that's all. |
| 16:00.08 | ricky_clarkson | doub: Shure make good microphones. |
| 16:00.21 | greycat | doub: I just need something *simple*. I need to kill my Freenet node when I start to experience the symptoms that I experience periodically while Freenet is running. |
| 16:00.29 | tarzeau | greycat: hmmm i shoul just remove it? |
| 16:00.57 | greycat | doub: and the first thing that goes, normally, is DNS resolution. So I had "ping www.yahoo.com" which would fail on either a DNS lookup failure (they have a 60 second TTL, by the way), or if the actual ping fails. |
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| 16:01.10 | tarzeau | greycat: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/WortIndex this one is fine |
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| 16:01.13 | greycat | tarzeau: I have no idea what it's *supposed* to say. |
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| 16:02.08 | greycat | tarzeau: hmm.... so it's auto-generated by a cron job or something? If so, why is the English one all spam? |
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| 16:02.48 | VoX | is it possible to use opengl screensavers with a 3dfx-based card? |
| 16:02.55 | greycat | !possible |
| 16:02.55 | dpkg | Anything's possible. Some things are more possible than others. You'll need to ask a more meaningful question if you want to find out how possible your planned course of action is. |
| 16:02.57 | tarzeau | greycat: it probably was edited, i have no idea but i will find out |
| 16:03.05 | VoX | heh ok |
| 16:03.14 | greycat | tarzeau: thanks |
| 16:03.18 | no-id | i still get configure: error: C preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check after installing build essencial |
| 16:03.40 | VoX | how would i go about using opengl screensavers with a voodoo3, and how much hassle is it? :) |
| 16:03.45 | doub | greycat: of course if that's the purpose. i only thought about the PPP link loss part of the problem |
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| 16:04.19 | greycat | no-id: check config.log for the gory details, and find out exactly what's wrong. |
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| 16:04.56 | doub | VoX: you'll need to set up DRI and GLX for 3dfx, last time i tried there was a README for this issue in the xfree docs |
| 16:05.00 | Rambo3 | <Rambo3>mozilla-mplayer <dpkg>are you smoking crack? owned |
| 16:05.00 | jharrisonwk | anyone know something about courier pop3 and pop3-ssl? |
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| 16:05.26 | VoX | doub: cheers |
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| 16:05.51 | hogballs | is oss the only sound i can get in gnome? |
| 16:05.58 | dvs | hogballs: no |
| 16:06.17 | hogballs | i reinstalled esd fine |
| 16:06.22 | greycat | jharrisonwk: what do you want to know? |
| 16:06.46 | hogballs | im not seeing where to go in gnome to get alsa or esd to enable |
| 16:07.00 | herodes | anyone knows about this problem when i try to burn a dvd??--> unable to PREVENT MEDIA REMOVAL: operacion not permited |
| 16:07.09 | FieldySnuts | shitty drive |
| 16:07.40 | greycat | uh... sounds like you're not root and it's just warning you that it can't prevent dumb-ass humans from ejecting |
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| 16:07.42 | keko_ | abrotman: are you here |
| 16:07.43 | hogballs | all i see is gstreamer |
| 16:07.56 | abrotman | keko_: not really |
| 16:08.03 | keko_ | hehe |
| 16:08.10 | abrotman | keko_: why? |
| 16:08.23 | keko_ | what you prefer me to do that router system with debian |
| 16:08.33 | hogballs | when i pick custom, i have no idea what to put in there. OSS is the only one there and it dont work right for some reason. In KDE my sound works fine. go figure |
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| 16:09.12 | no-id | greycat: what does this mean You need a ISO C conforming compiler to use the glibc headers |
| 16:09.15 | hogballs | In Kde alsa works fine but esd dont work |
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| 16:09.37 | greycat | no-id: most likely it means "whoever wrote this configure.{in,ac} is on crack" |
| 16:09.40 | abrotman | keko_: uhm ... do you have any idea how a router/firewall works ? |
| 16:09.57 | doub | no-id: that would indicate gcc is not correctly installed or detected by configure |
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| 16:10.18 | keko_ | abrotman: yeah |
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| 16:10.37 | no-id | its cyrus .configure ....so i doubt it |
| 16:10.49 | jharrisonwk | greycat: to check mail on pop-ssl over port 995 is it necessary to use port 995 in a email client/ |
| 16:10.52 | keko_ | i have use them in cisco/windows platformm.. =) |
| 16:10.52 | jharrisonwk | ? |
| 16:11.04 | jharrisonwk | greycat: right now I seem to be doing this over port 110 and im not sure why |
| 16:11.09 | greycat | jharrisonwk: is this a trick question? |
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| 16:11.20 | no-id | doub: i installed gcc through apt-get |
| 16:11.21 | jharrisonwk | greycat: no |
| 16:11.24 | greycat | jharrisonwk: if you're doing it on port 110, it's probably unencrypted. |
| 16:11.25 | jharrisonwk | greycat: not that I know of |
| 16:11.33 | jharrisonwk | greycat: snort says otherwise |
| 16:11.37 | doub | no-id: try compiling some random .c stuff, see if that fails then |
| 16:11.40 | greycat | no-id: Cyrus? DAMN... that explains it. |
| 16:11.55 | greycat | Cyrus is "of, by and for crack monkeys" |
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| 16:12.08 | greycat | l33t crack monkeys, at that. |
| 16:12.09 | abrotman | keko_: you need to learn about ipmasq and iptables |
| 16:12.20 | jharrisonwk | greycat: I configured kmail to use port 110 and use tls/ssl and I can see the starttls command in the packets and then the cert comes over the wire and then there is an encrypted session |
| 16:12.21 | asg | jharrisonwk: maybe it's pop/tls |
| 16:12.31 | greycat | jharrisonwk: well ok then. |
| 16:12.51 | no-id | greycat: what would you suggest for a imapd solution ? |
| 16:12.54 | jharrisonwk | so pop/tls goes over port 110? |
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| 16:13.12 | greycat | no-id: dovecot, courier-imap and bincimap are the ones for which I've heard good reviews |
| 16:13.21 | jharrisonwk | asg: so pop/tls goes over port 110? |
| 16:13.24 | asg | jharrisonwk: yes, tls is negotiated over the same link as non encrypted traffic. |
| 16:13.32 | asg | jharrisonwk: same with smtp/tls, etc. |
| 16:13.34 | jharrisonwk | asg: ohhhhh |
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| 16:13.49 | keko_ | abrotman: what you think about smoothwall will that do that ? |
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| 16:13.53 | jharrisonwk | asg: so I dont need to run port 995 |
| 16:13.55 | Gh0sty | Hello |
| 16:14.03 | abrotman | keko_: never used it |
| 16:14.04 | asg | jharrisonwk: only if you want to use pop-ssl |
| 16:14.28 | greycat | jharrisonwk: running both won't hurt. |
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| 16:14.41 | asg | jharrisonwk: yeah, some clients don't understand tls yet |
| 16:14.43 | jharrisonwk | tls is to replace ssl though right? |
| 16:14.46 | jharrisonwk | ok |
| 16:15.04 | jharrisonwk | ok this leads me to conduct another experiment |
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| 16:15.35 | elirips | hello people. i am trying to install woody. my two network adapters eth0 and eth1 are regocnized by the installer, but i cannot get an ip via dhcp. other computers attached to the same cable-modem via a hub can get ips without problems. i already resetted the cable-modem, that doesn't help. before i did a reinstallation the network worked via dhcp with the same network cards. any ideas what could be the point what's going wrong? can i |
| 16:15.35 | elirips | somewhere watch a little bit closer what the installer is doing? |
| 16:16.20 | fatal__ | elirips: try sarge. :) |
| 16:16.30 | daveb | hi there. I am trying to setup wpa-supplicant, and all the resources seem to refer to pcmcia-cs insttead of hotplug. does anyone know how to setp wpa-supplicant to come up at the right time with hotplug and a cardbus wifi interface? |
| 16:16.38 | jharrisonwk | asg: brillant |
| 16:16.39 | Becca | Hi.. I had a laptop hdd explode on me recently, and the guy who looked at it thinks it was due to debian not forcing the laptop to go into hibernation. |
| 16:16.48 | asg | elirips: does one or both work if you assign static ips? |
| 16:16.51 | Becca | How does one force debian to put the system into hibernation? |
| 16:16.52 | jharrisonwk | asg: I configured my mail client to use ssl and indeed port 995 is used |
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| 16:16.57 | asg | jharrisonwk: ah |
| 16:17.00 | jharrisonwk | asg: now im not confused anymore |
| 16:17.02 | jharrisonwk | asg: thanks |
| 16:17.04 | asg | jharrisonwk: :) |
| 16:17.12 | robertg | Snow! |
| 16:17.18 | asg | !envy robertg |
| 16:17.23 | robertg | :p |
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| 16:17.32 | dvs | robertg: Not here (thanks goodness) |
| 16:17.45 | robertg | dvs: You don't like snow?! |
| 16:17.47 | elirips | asg: not tried that yet. |
| 16:17.47 | doub | Becca: it depends on the power managment system your laptop uses |
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| 16:17.54 | robertg | Snow is the disabler of school |
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| 16:17.56 | dvs | robertg: hell no! |
| 16:17.57 | robertg | Thus it is great |
| 16:18.02 | elirips | asg: is there no place where i can watch the installers-logs? |
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| 16:18.10 | Becca | doub: Oh great. >.< This could get to be a very expensive OS very quickly... |
| 16:18.15 | asg | elirips: yes, look at ALT+F{2,3,4} |
| 16:18.35 | asg | elirips: or manually run dhclient from tty2 |
| 16:18.53 | elirips | asg: thx, it says: send_packet: network is down. |
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| 16:19.03 | asg | elirips: check cable, check link lights, etc. |
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| 16:19.22 | elirips | asg: light are on and blinking. |
| 16:19.38 | asg | elirips: does /sbin/ifconfig -a show one or both interfaces? |
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| 16:19.49 | doub | Becca: with APM you'll need to install apmd, and maybe apm-sleep to take care of puting in suspend (hibernation) mode automatically |
| 16:19.52 | elirips | asg: yes |
| 16:19.58 | elirips | asg: both |
| 16:20.02 | asg | hmmm |
| 16:20.07 | Becca | doub: So it isn't smart enough to set it up automatically? |
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| 16:20.28 | Becca | I just wanted to make certain, since well, blowing the 20 gig drive really stunk :) |
| 16:20.36 | gusto | TURN ON EURONEWS IN TEN MINUTES THE LIVE REPORT STRATS - BUSH / PUTIN |
| 16:20.39 | elirips | asg: i first thought it might be the cable-modem (it saves mac-addresses and only allows 4 different macs), but i just resetted that thing and left it without power for one hour, so that should be good now.. |
| 16:20.49 | doub | Becca: it will be set up once you install apmd |
| 16:20.54 | Rawplayer | gusto: they both suck |
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| 16:21.00 | asg | elirips: if you do '/sbin/ifconfig <interface> promisc up ; dhclient' does it help any |
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| 16:21.18 | cahoot | where should I look for the cause of this msg from my httpd: ' sendfile write: Value too large for defined data type' -googled for two days without luck |
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| 16:21.23 | gusto | :) |
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| 16:21.37 | Becca | doub: And thanks. |
| 16:21.39 | doub | Becca: which is in the laptop task IIRC |
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| 16:22.15 | hogballs | what directory should i run esd at? |
| 16:22.30 | elirips | asg: SIOCSIFFLAGS: Ressource temporarily unavailable on eht0, Device or ressource busy on eth1 |
| 16:22.33 | hogballs | err type in esd at? |
| 16:22.37 | asg | elirips: as root? |
| 16:22.42 | elirips | asg: yes |
| 16:22.46 | asg | hmmmf |
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| 16:23.11 | doub | hogballs: if you're using gnome you don't have to take care of it, gnome will |
| 16:23.16 | asg | elirips: then drop both interfaces '/sbin/ifconfig <interface> down' and try 'dhclient <1st interface>' |
| 16:23.35 | hogballs | gnome just told me to run it fro command line |
| 16:23.51 | justin | cahoot: http://www.google.com/search?q=apache+sendfile+%22Value+too+large+for+defined |
| 16:23.59 | elirips | asg: can't create /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.leases: No such file or direct |
| 16:24.01 | elirips | ory |
| 16:24.03 | hogballs | esd = no file found.. i must be in wrong directory |
| 16:24.18 | hogballs | what directory do i go in to launch esd from command |
| 16:24.24 | elirips | asg: i am not using the official woody-cds, i downloaded a minimal-install cd. might that be the problem? |
| 16:24.28 | Becca | Though, at the rate my network is throwing a fit, I won't get the OS installed on my laptop, but thats a different story. |
| 16:24.30 | Becca | Ugh. |
| 16:24.32 | asg | elirips: yes |
| 16:24.40 | asg | elirips: make sure /var/lib/dhcp exists |
| 16:24.47 | asg | elirips: rinse and repeat |
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| 16:25.04 | karrot-x | does init5 startx on debian unstable? |
| 16:25.16 | elirips | asg: i am going to download the first official install cd of debian, and going to try again with that. if that doesn't help too i'll come back and ask. |
| 16:25.23 | asg | !kill nortel for only supporting RH 8 & 9 (unpatched) for Alteon traffic management. |
| 16:25.25 | doub | karrot-x: not by default |
| 16:25.41 | asg | elirips: or use a netinst image since you said both nics worked. |
| 16:25.49 | dvs | karrot-x: run levels 2 to 5 are the same on Debian by default |
| 16:25.49 | cahoot | justin: hmm, thanks (must practice more on google..) - the url describes probs with >2GB files - mine only 70kb |
| 16:25.59 | karrot-x | doub: ah |
| 16:26.14 | justin | cahoot: file a bug. |
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| 16:26.32 | greycat | and a mule? |
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| 16:26.35 | asg | petemc: petemc + combine + splif faq == crop circles |
| 16:26.40 | elirips | asg: it says "Unfortunately, only "unofficial" images (by some Debian developers rather than the CD team) are available for the stable release:", i am at the moment using one of those but that doesn't work. |
| 16:26.41 | petemc | heh |
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| 16:26.44 | cahoot | justin: I wasn't clear on if this is a kernel or boa problem |
| 16:26.46 | Nosf3ratu | Just caught this: |
| 16:26.46 | Nosf3ratu | No more PTYs. |
| 16:26.52 | Nosf3ratu | While trying to make a new screen window... |
| 16:26.58 | Nosf3ratu | Why is that? |
| 16:27.05 | asg | elirips: /msg dpkg netinst |
| 16:27.09 | hogballs | cannot connect to sound daemon. please run esd at command prompt |
| 16:27.10 | elirips | asg: for the installation of woody it should be enough if i just download the first cd? |
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| 16:27.18 | asg | elirips: yes, that would work too |
| 16:27.19 | hogballs | GNOME VOLUME METER SAID THAT |
| 16:27.20 | Denv | heh |
| 16:27.22 | greycat | the only good esd is a purged esd. |
| 16:27.24 | cahoot | justin: the url implies kernel |
| 16:27.46 | justin | cahoot: file a bug on the app first |
| 16:28.10 | cahoot | justin: will try make a useful bug |
| 16:28.10 | hogballs | greycat, then why do people spend years coding an application to work using only Esound? |
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| 16:28.13 | elirips | asg: okay, i am going to try it with the first woody-cd. i don't trust the inofficial netinst-images anymore, i already installed woody on this machine with the official woody-cd and then both nics worked. |
| 16:28.24 | asg | elirips: cool |
| 16:28.25 | elirips | asg: (luckely i got a 2mbit line here... :P) |
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| 16:28.55 | greycat | hogballs: probably the same reason they use udev. because they're clueless intellectuals and theorists with no grounding in the real world. |
| 16:29.03 | elirips | asg: only thing that suckz a little bit i now have to go the city again to buy empty cds |
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| 16:29.38 | asg | elirips: well, you could do a floppy netinstall if you have 3 floppies I suppose |
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| 16:29.55 | elirips | asg: i have no floppy drive |
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| 16:30.09 | Becca | Question: On a net install cd (From about 2 months ago) can the base system be installed from the cd, or does it require the internet for the base system? |
| 16:30.14 | no-id | can anyone look at this config.log and tell me whats wrong ? http://www.pastebin.it/207 |
| 16:30.22 | RainbowW | is there a package that will install java for firefox1? or is dowload-from-sun the only option? |
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| 16:30.27 | elirips | asg: but thanks for your help anyway, i ll try with the official woody cd and come back in case i need further help.. but i'm positive it will work with the official cd. |
| 16:30.29 | Becca | I ran it last night without the network, and got the base system installed. I tried to configure the network, and all hell broke loose. |
| 16:30.31 | asg | elirips: you're welcome |
| 16:30.43 | Ashtars_fanclub | how can i downgrade from cid to sarge? |
| 16:30.50 | greycat | Ashtars_fanclub: reinstall |
| 16:30.51 | asg | RainbowW: /msg dpkg mozilla java |
| 16:31.02 | dvs | Ashtars_fanclub: You can't (easily) |
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| 16:31.13 | doub | Becca: for the sarge d-i netinst, there's a sarge base snapshot on it |
| 16:31.14 | greycat | Becca: base system does not need network if you have at least the 110 MB iso. |
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| 16:31.34 | fabietto | hi guys... i've just recompiled a 2.6.8 kernel and i've got now a doubt... is my sound card working correctly? i can't hear any sound when i run kde, but i get no error message of any kind related to this sound card! |
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| 16:31.50 | dvs | fabietto: OSS or ALSA? |
| 16:31.57 | fabietto | dvs: alsa |
| 16:32.10 | dvs | fabietto: You did run alsamixergui |
| 16:32.21 | doub | alsa mixers are all off by default |
| 16:32.38 | greycat | muted and zero-volume. |
| 16:32.42 | Becca | Ok, I think I have the 110 mb ISO at the very least. Thats more of a guess, though, than anything. Maybe it just screwed up when I tried to bring the network into it. |
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| 16:32.50 | greycat | !wikifaq fabietto UseSoundCard |
| 16:32.50 | Becca | *shuts off laptop, restarts the process* |
| 16:32.50 | dpkg | fabietto: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 16:32.51 | hogballs | how do i find out what all sound daemons are running in real time? |
| 16:33.00 | Nosf3ratu | What determines that I've run out of PTYs? |
| 16:33.05 | fabietto | thank you all! |
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| 16:33.07 | greycat | hogballs: ps auxw | less # :) |
| 16:33.14 | Becca | I feel dirty, now, for some reason... |
| 16:33.36 | fabietto | :) |
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| 16:34.30 | sussudio | Nosf3ratu: bunnies |
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| 16:35.03 | emacse1 | Hey I'm having a dumb problem. I want to do the following: ls -d -b *|xargs -i ls -d {}\* |
| 16:35.16 | hogballs | i started up teamspeak and looked there and saw it entered as like 10 differend pid's |
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| 16:35.27 | hogballs | no wonder it lags bigtime when i try and close it |
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| 16:36.00 | Nosf3ratu | aw bunnies :) |
| 16:36.06 | Nosf3ratu | seriously though...is it a kernel config? |
| 16:36.19 | davis | if I have an iso and I use it to make a cdrom, then md5sum /dev/hdc file.ios should return identical results, right? |
| 16:36.25 | hogballs | greycat, your command listed all the processes. i just wanted specific ones related to sound. but i guess im asking too much |
| 16:36.29 | Nosf3ratu | Server refused to allocate pty |
| 16:36.32 | Nosf3ratu | I can't even log in. |
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| 16:36.37 | Becca | Odd question.. did any of the major debian servers go defunct or get a name change? |
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| 16:38.17 | fabietto | great! my sound card seems now to works correctly... i got a lot of "beeeeeeeeeeeeep" when i was in the shell... :) |
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| 16:38.30 | greycat | hogballs: there's only esd and artsd. if you don't see either of those, and if nothing has /dev/dsp open (according to lsof), then I don't know what else you want. |
| 16:38.36 | Peto77 | hi. is it possible to start debian installation manuly? i'm now running woody, but i'd like to install sarge over it. i downloaded the cd, but i don't have a cd writer. can you help me with that? |
| 16:38.46 | greycat | Peto77: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 16:38.58 | Peto77 | thanks :) |
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| 16:39.22 | chino | Starting uif: modules, rules: failed. Old rules have been restored. |
| 16:39.22 | chino | Error message: possible loop in configfile: eth1 |
| 16:39.31 | chino | im getting that error when trying to start uif |
| 16:39.33 | PerfDave | Peto77: Read the Installation Manual for Sarge. |
| 16:39.53 | justin | chino: fix the config file |
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| 16:40.05 | chino | it looks fine to me and im not sure which config file its tlaking about |
| 16:40.09 | RainbowW | asg, thanks. |
| 16:40.17 | chino | i woudl think the uif config file |
| 16:40.20 | Myren | how do i set system time? |
| 16:40.24 | Myren | my bios got whacked |
| 16:40.27 | Peto77 | greycat: yeah, i know about that, but i want to reinstall the system completely whith the new kernel |
| 16:40.36 | Zero_Dogg | when a boot fails with alot of messages about ext3, but the disk mounts fine ro and can be read using a livecd - has the HD gone kaboom or is it just the filesystem? Or how can I find out? |
| 16:40.42 | Peto77 | PerfDave: i did :) |
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| 16:41.04 | greycat | Peto77: the only benefit you'll get by a FULL reinstall is that you'll have GRUB instead of LILO. You can replace the kernel just as easily as anything else. |
| 16:41.07 | PerfDave | Peto77: Then you know how to bootstrap a Sarge install from an existing Linux installation. |
| 16:41.52 | Nosf3ratu | what's the story with udev? |
| 16:41.55 | Nosf3ratu | shouldn't use it? |
| 16:42.00 | greycat | it's a horror story. |
| 16:42.08 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: Use it at your discretion |
| 16:42.15 | Nosf3ratu | i installed it, and i think that's why i don't have any more ttys |
| 16:42.17 | Peto77 | greycat: it's because i can't compile the new kernel by myself. it never works like it should |
| 16:42.20 | Nosf3ratu | can i remove it safely? |
| 16:42.26 | greycat | Peto77: who said COMPILE? |
| 16:42.32 | Nosf3ratu | or will that completely destroy /dev |
| 16:42.41 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: Remove the udev package? yeah. |
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| 16:42.53 | Nosf3ratu | dvs, yeah it's safe? |
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| 16:43.03 | jmg | hi, just setting up a new machine and want to add partitions to fstab ... is there a command that will give me a list of all partitions |
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| 16:43.07 | greycat | Peto77: either go buy a CD burner (they're about $40 or less probably), which is a VERY GOOD INVESTMENT, and which you WANT TO HAVE EVENTUALLY ANYWAY..... or do a network upgrade as I said, or do a debootstrap. |
| 16:43.10 | Nosf3ratu | then i suppose i'll just to reboot, right? |
| 16:43.14 | stew | jmg: fdisk -l |
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| 16:43.16 | vipersniper | is there a package for msttcorefonts |
| 16:43.17 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: Yup |
| 16:43.18 | Nosf3ratu | or is there another way to reinstate my /dev |
| 16:43.19 | chino | justin: do you have any clue what config file its talking about |
| 16:43.20 | Nosf3ratu | vipersniper, yes |
| 16:43.26 | jmg | stew: cheers :) |
| 16:43.31 | Nosf3ratu | vipersniper, apt-cache search ms|grep tt |
| 16:43.34 | chino | where can i setup iptables ? |
| 16:43.35 | Nosf3ratu | vipersniper, after doing an apt-get update |
| 16:43.38 | justin | chino: nope, and if you don't either, maybe you shouldn't be using uif? |
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| 16:44.00 | chino | justin: hey its a debian tool and someone in here told me to use it instead of using iptables |
| 16:44.08 | ricky_clarkson | vipersniper: Yes, oddly called msttcorefonts |
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| 16:44.22 | Peto77 | greycat: network install sounds good, but i thougt i neede that mini cd... |
| 16:44.29 | Nosf3ratu | Ok, I'll reboot. |
| 16:44.40 | dvs | Peto77: You don't have to use that. |
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| 16:44.48 | chino | where is the iptables start up file ? |
| 16:44.51 | greycat | Peto77: you can do a floppy net install, too. |
| 16:44.55 | greycat | Peto77: that's a fourth option. |
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| 16:45.27 | Maliuta | does anyone have an idea on why kernels (I have tried my custom 2.6 and a number of different rescue images) would be panicing while setting up devices? |
| 16:46.20 | Peto77 | yes, but i don't have anny floppy disks :) sure, i'm able to burn me a cd somewhere, but i hope, there's a better way |
| 16:46.45 | dvs | Peto77: What's wrong with burning a CD? |
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| 16:46.58 | greycat | dvs: it costs a whole 30 cents? |
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| 16:47.15 | Peto77 | but i'll search the docs for that bootstrap thing, sounds good |
| 16:47.15 | greycat | then again, if he has a CD-RW, there's not even *that* cost. |
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| 16:47.23 | Nosf3ratu | ok, i can't reboot. |
| 16:47.27 | vipersniper | Nosf3ratu, apt-cache search ms|grep tt poduced no msttcorefonts ;) |
| 16:47.33 | Nosf3ratu | because installing udev removed a ton of /dev entries. |
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| 16:47.51 | vipersniper | *produced |
| 16:47.51 | Nosf3ratu | vipersniper, make sure contrib and non-free are part of your sources. |
| 16:47.51 | Peto77 | dvs: nothing. only i need the system reinstalled today and don't want to bother friends |
| 16:48.08 | Nosf3ratu | shutdown: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.08 | Nosf3ratu | init: /dev/initctl: No such file or directory |
| 16:48.12 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: udev doesn't remove directory entries. It moves the entire directory aside |
| 16:48.14 | sepski | Nosf3ratu, didnt remove them just mounted itself ontop of /dev |
| 16:48.14 | Nosf3ratu | is there any way to reboot this box? |
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| 16:48.33 | Nosf3ratu | ok, so is there a way to recover those? |
| 16:48.50 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: udev makes a /.dev directory |
| 16:48.56 | hogballs | is it that hard to like run some vm ware and boot into my other os on the same hard drive as linux is runing on? |
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| 16:49.11 | sepski | Nosf3ratu, they are not lost, so no point in recovering when you stop udev they are back |
| 16:49.20 | no-id | where does the kernel source usually sit ? in a default situation ? |
| 16:49.25 | zeen | where do i find the lockd option in menuconfig? |
| 16:49.26 | sepski | hogballs, not simple read the vmware webpage for how |
| 16:49.30 | dvs | no-id: /usr/src |
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| 16:49.44 | Nosf3ratu | There is no /.dev |
| 16:49.45 | petemc | hogballs: you would need to set up hardware profiles in the other os, as the hardware vmware emulates differs from your actual hardware |
| 16:49.49 | Nosf3ratu | Nor did they come back. |
| 16:49.51 | vipersniper | Nosf3ratu, deb http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ unstable main deb-src http://debian.oregonstate.edu/debian/ unstable main thats it for mine |
| 16:49.59 | hogballs | right like no 3d acceleration and stuff |
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| 16:50.09 | Nosf3ratu | vipersniper, right. like i said, you don't have contrib or non-free |
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| 16:50.41 | Nosf3ratu | and since msttcorefonts is, well, "non free" they are in "non-free" |
| 16:50.49 | vipersniper | Nosf3ratu, so give me an example of those lines im supose to add |
| 16:50.57 | directhex|work | !nonfreesources |
| 16:51.06 | Nosf3ratu | main contrib non-free |
| 16:51.08 | directhex|work | where the hell is dpkg? |
| 16:51.09 | Nosf3ratu | :\ |
| 16:51.25 | hogballs | if you type in hog then hit the tab key haha its puts in balls. neeto! |
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| 16:51.30 | no-id | how do you apt-get kernel source ? |
| 16:51.33 | directhex|work | badgers, i choose you! |
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| 16:51.42 | dvs | no-id: apt-get kernel-source-... |
| 16:51.45 | dvs | surprise |
| 16:51.52 | directhex|work | no-id, apt-get install kerne-source-2.x.y |
| 16:51.53 | mikkele | heh |
| 16:51.53 | no-id | :) thanks |
| 16:51.56 | Nosf3ratu | any way to get my /dev back? :( |
| 16:51.56 | directhex|work | *kernel |
| 16:52.03 | dvs | no-id: You probably what to do "apt-cache search kernel-source" first |
| 16:52.20 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: Is there a /dev/MAKEDEV |
| 16:52.29 | justin | Nosf3ratu: remove udev |
| 16:52.29 | Nosf3ratu | dvs, yes |
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| 16:52.44 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: Run that as root in the /dev directory |
| 16:52.44 | Nosf3ratu | justin, tried that. didn't work. |
| 16:52.52 | justin | !tell Nosf3ratu about didn't work |
| 16:53.06 | Nosf3ratu | "doesn't work" is pretty clear here. |
| 16:53.10 | Nosf3ratu | it didn't do anything. |
| 16:53.17 | Nosf3ratu | neither did MAKEDEV, dvs. |
| 16:53.27 | zeen | does anyone know where lockd is in menuconfig? |
| 16:53.30 | Nosf3ratu | justin, i removed it. then ls'd /dev. it looks the same. |
| 16:53.45 | Nosf3ratu | as in, i still cannot reboot. or log in. or anything. |
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| 16:54.02 | daqqal | hey guys |
| 16:54.02 | mikkele | lockd in menuconfig? |
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| 16:54.18 | zeen | mikkele: yeah for nfs, there should be a lockd option there... |
| 16:54.26 | soren | hi, I am about to make a new debian install - this time on my new laptop. Have a woody 3.0 r1 install disc but was wondering if there was a smarter way of installing debian nowdays (fx auto hardware detect)? Have a fast cable connection so the bandwith is not an issue. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. |
| 16:54.32 | zeen | mikkele: no? |
| 16:54.40 | mikkele | hmm |
| 16:54.41 | dvs | soren: /msg dpkg di |
| 16:54.42 | greycat | !d-i soren |
| 16:54.42 | dpkg | soren, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 16:54.44 | Nosf3ratu | !tell soren about d-i |
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| 16:54.44 | daqqal | my friend deleted /usr/lib, the dpkg database is good, is there a package i can download to remake my /usr/lib? |
| 16:54.46 | zeen | mikkele: because i am seeing it in the .config |
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| 16:54.54 | PerfDave | soren: You can install Sarge. It has newer software, hardware detection, but no security updates. |
| 16:54.57 | mikkele | guess so |
| 16:54.59 | greycat | !faq |
| 16:54.59 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:56.24 | soren | tx willl look at the new installer |
| 16:57.19 | daqqal | i can't get to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 16:58.29 | d34l3r | :D |
| 16:58.55 | Nosf3ratu | dvs, no other ideas? |
| 16:59.01 | dvs | Nosf3ratu: nope |
| 16:59.07 | sepski | daqqal youll never know what packages installed what in /usr/lib, but you can use --reinstall and reinstall every package |
| 16:59.46 | sepski | daqqal, well you can know, but taking all packages might be just as easy |
| 16:59.51 | Nosf3ratu | even if i could get it to reboot, it would use /etc/init.d/makedev, which is currently not making anything. |
| 16:59.55 | Nosf3ratu | there has to be another way... |
| 16:59.57 | daqqal | sepski: ah good, can i use a recursive command like apt-get --reinstall <something> |
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| 17:00.13 | greycat | !reinstal |
| 17:00.15 | greycat | !reinstall |
| 17:00.15 | dpkg | methinks reinstall is grep -B1 installed /var/lib/dpkg/status|grep -v installed|perl -ne 'if(/:\s+(.*)/) {print qq($1\n);}'| xargs apt-get --reinstall install or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-get --reinstall install |
| 17:00.24 | adjacent | anyone know a linux tool to generate ping plots? one where i can set the interval? |
| 17:00.33 | mbc | Could anyone tell me to put i my .emacs - to make php-elisp work?? |
| 17:00.38 | greycat | adjacent: rrdtool plus some shell scripting. |
| 17:00.52 | sepski | adjacent, i like smokeping |
| 17:01.05 | adjacent | greycat: still needs a cron job every 20 secs or so, right? |
| 17:01.30 | eeyore- | adjacent: i don't think cron jobs have granularity below 1 minute interval |
| 17:01.48 | greycat | adjacent: cron can only fire every 60 seconds at the most. |
| 17:01.48 | adjacent | eeyore-: exactly ;) |
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| 17:02.27 | adjacent | so rrdtool is great for long term monitoring (i already use it everywhere) but not good for debugging purposes |
| 17:02.54 | greycat | adjacent: well, then what do you mean by a "ping plot"? |
| 17:03.01 | eeyore- | adjacent: i see, so you want to spot bandwidth troubles? |
| 17:03.05 | hogballs | xmms works fine but games have no sound |
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| 17:03.10 | hogballs | what to do what to do |
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| 17:03.15 | adjacent | im trying to find out whats making a client computer slow down at a certain time of day. so i plan on graphing the ping times over a small interval |
| 17:03.29 | adjacent | and ive set up cron to create hour by hour dumps from tcpdump |
| 17:03.30 | sepski | adjacent, smokeping runs as deamon and you can adjust interval, |
| 17:03.42 | adjacent | sepski: im installing now, thanks |
| 17:04.10 | eeyore- | adjacent: is it different each day? (the time it slows down) |
| 17:04.22 | adjacent | eeyore-: customer says from 2pm to close |
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| 17:04.36 | adjacent | eeyore-: but im off the same wireless node, and my LAN sees no problems |
| 17:04.46 | hogballs | i have a feeling that getting sound to work is going to be as hard as it was getting 3d acceleration to work on my ati radeon 9600 pro xt |
| 17:04.48 | eeyore- | adjacent: what's the computer used for? desktop applications or server applications? is there any debugging going on? |
| 17:04.52 | adjacent | eeyore-: traffic graphs and wireless statistics show nothing irregular |
| 17:05.06 | adjacent | eeyore-: its an insurance company |
| 17:05.07 | hogballs | 3 days straight no sleep |
| 17:05.12 | eeyore- | adjacent: when the client says "slows down", do they mean network bandwidth wise? |
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| 17:05.24 | adjacent | i need to tell them where the problem is. my first guess is internal |
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| 17:05.38 | eric | help please |
| 17:05.48 | hogballs | !help |
| 17:05.57 | eeyore- | adjacent: i take it your clients are running windows |
| 17:06.03 | adjacent | i think they mean latency. |
| 17:06.03 | eric | anyone know where i can find the last debian mysql packages |
| 17:06.14 | SlayerXP | eric: yes, they're over there |
| 17:06.15 | adjacent | eeyore-: i dont really care or know, i just provide them broadband |
| 17:06.24 | greycat | !pdo |
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| 17:06.24 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it? |
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| 17:06.33 | sepski | adjacent, since there is wireless involved, id guess there first, maybe some nearby AP start working at 2pm that interfere |
| 17:06.43 | eeyore- | adjacent: i'm asking because it may be something else. something you can't dismiss. have you scanned for spyware and stuff? ask them to do it |
| 17:06.55 | eric | sorry want an apt-get urm |
| 17:06.59 | adjacent | sepski: nah. signal strength and link quality remain constant |
| 17:07.02 | eric | sorry want an apt-get url :) |
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| 17:07.23 | eric | dont' want to browse the package |
| 17:07.29 | greycat | *PLONK* |
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| 17:07.42 | adjacent | eeyore-: yeh, they called me though. ill spend an hour setting up a series of graphs that tells them the problem is on there LAN, my network, or the public net between their offices |
| 17:07.48 | eeyore- | adjacent: you can say, "your wireless looks OK from my point of view, try the following ....", and that's where you tell them to run adaware, spybot s & d, etc. |
| 17:08.01 | sepski | eric, apt-setup; apt-get update ;apt-get install mysql-server |
| 17:08.11 | sgeigerbot | Does anyone know of a good LVM-enabled rescue disk? |
| 17:08.16 | eric | ok thanks i will try |
| 17:08.22 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: gentoo? |
| 17:08.23 | eric | seeyou |
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| 17:08.48 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: the gentoo install disk? |
| 17:08.57 | greycat | sgeigerbot: surely, the one you made when you decided (silly git that you are) to put your root file system on a LVM? |
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| 17:08.59 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: i believe so. try 2004.3 version |
| 17:09.23 | sgeigerbot | greycat: thanks for the encouragement. |
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| 17:09.56 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: also go to www.gentoo-wiki.com, search for "lvm boot", might help you get lvm going in the install-disk mode |
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| 17:10.18 | Myren | god damn do these ubuntu xorg packages rock. |
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| 17:10.37 | Myren | they're missing a bunch of pkgconfigs but thats ok. its still nice to have a laptop which can S3 suspend. |
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| 17:10.49 | PerfDave | Myren: Hahahahaha |
| 17:10.50 | vortec | what's the right package for "zlib" ? |
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| 17:11.08 | Myren | pinning is the greatest thing /evar/ |
| 17:11.09 | sgeigerbot | greycat: I find I learn best by doing. :-) |
| 17:11.21 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: AKA "trial by fire" |
| 17:11.22 | eric | an apt-get install mysql instead of an apt-get install mysql-server works |
| 17:11.28 | eric | thanks for all |
| 17:11.38 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: :-) |
| 17:12.10 | PerfDave | vortec: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:12.20 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: lvm or lvm2? i'm futzing around with lvm2 on top of sbp2 and it's not been kind to me (i/o to dead device, etc.) |
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| 17:13.00 | zeen | how do i get nlockmgr to bind to a particular port? |
| 17:13.26 | eeyore- | zeen: that's a job for portmap, rpcinfo -p localhost |
| 17:14.07 | zeen | yeah rpcinfo is giving me the current port, but its random |
| 17:14.44 | eeyore- | zeen: clients do not care what port those services run at. they all *talk to portmapper* by service number/name |
| 17:14.57 | greycat | he's probably got a l33t firewall |
| 17:15.08 | eeyore- | zeen: that's why there's "portmapper" :-) |
| 17:15.37 | zeen | eeyore-: so can i tell portmap to tell lockd to use a particular port? |
| 17:15.53 | zeen | eeyore-: its for a firewall |
| 17:16.26 | eeyore- | zeen: "knock knock, portmapper", "hi, what do you want", "i want nfs service, where is it", "here, at <n> port" :-) ... wait a minute, are you gonna do NFS over the internet? that's suicidal |
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| 17:17.22 | zeen | eeyore-: is there a better solution for using a box as a file share and as a server? |
| 17:17.35 | sepski | nfs over ssh is doable |
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| 17:18.03 | sepski | if you cant use regular services like sftp |
| 17:18.05 | eeyore- | zeen: over the internet? try ssh/scp and/or https with your own certificate issued to each client |
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| 17:18.34 | zeen | eeyore-: its actually not over the internet, just for the network |
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| 17:18.50 | zeen | eeyore-: but the box is a server too |
| 17:18.59 | zeen | eeyore-: over the net |
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| 17:19.10 | eeyore- | zeen: it's not a good idea to make your firewall do file serving |
| 17:19.36 | eeyore- | zeen: if the firewall should get compromised for any reason, your files are accessible. *not* a good idea. |
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| 17:19.51 | zeen | eeyore-: yeah, i know, but its the way it must be done for now |
| 17:19.59 | zeen | eeyore-: unfortunately |
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| 17:20.41 | sepski | zeen, you would well consider running the Internet services chrooted |
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| 17:21.21 | zeen | sepski: yeah those freebsd jails seem interesting |
| 17:21.34 | PerfDave | eeyore-: Not to mention that running a file server on a firewall gives another attack vector to compromise the firewall. |
| 17:22.43 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: lvm2. |
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| 17:22.58 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: what's sbp2? |
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| 17:27.11 | vortec | PerfDave: there are several zlib's but none of them work with webalizer |
| 17:27.14 | stew | !sbp2 |
| 17:27.14 | dpkg | [sbp2] the firewire equivalent of USB's mass-storage.o. it doesn't take hotplugging very well, so you may have to rmmod and modprobe it to get your newly-plugged-in device to show up |
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| 17:27.57 | doub | eeyore-: what's the difference from running a file server on the firewall and a firewall plus NATed file server? if firewall is compromised, that won't change much |
| 17:28.17 | Becca | I'm having a problem with a netinstaller.. I can ping to my gateway, and I can ping to numeric addresses, but none of my nameservers are working, and I can't reach anything besides the numerics |
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| 17:28.36 | Becca | I've added three entries, all of which are working, and I still can't resolve addresses |
| 17:28.48 | Becca | Any ideas how to fix this with a half installed debian system? |
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| 17:29.04 | stew | vortec: what are you trying to do? did apt-get install webalizer not work? |
| 17:29.06 | PerfDave | doub: If a firewall isn't running a file server, it's less likely that it'll get compromised ;) |
| 17:29.08 | greycat | put a working name server in resolv.conf |
| 17:29.14 | Becca | All three work |
| 17:29.16 | Becca | Its not resolving. |
| 17:29.23 | PerfDave | Becca: Can you traceroute the nameserver IPs? |
| 17:29.23 | greycat | then they don't *work*, now do they :) |
| 17:29.26 | Phated | Obviously they -don't- work. |
| 17:29.27 | Becca | The gateway is using two of them |
| 17:29.27 | sepski | Becca, and you can ping those nameservers ? do you have firewall rules in place ? are your nsswitch.conf sane ? |
| 17:30.00 | vortec | stew: i don't want apt-get install it elsewhere |
| 17:30.02 | Becca | And yes, we are POSITIVE all three gateways are functioning. There is something wrong with the install, not the nameservers. |
| 17:30.03 | greycat | or you could run your own caching name daemon on the gateway |
| 17:30.21 | stew | vortec: huh? |
| 17:30.25 | sepski | doub, also you dont normaly allow your firewall to access your fileserver |
| 17:30.35 | Becca | Now, I have to figure out which question to answer first |
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| 17:30.52 | Becca | First, I don't know how to do a traceroute, and if I even have the command to do so at the moment -- I'm working with barebones commands |
| 17:31.11 | stew | Becca: can you ping the nameserver address? |
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| 17:31.13 | greycat | the command would be "traceroute" |
| 17:31.19 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: sbp2 = the block device driver for ieee1394 disks |
| 17:31.21 | Becca | Yes, I can ping the nameserver address |
| 17:31.27 | vortec | stew: i've edited apaches config pretty much, there are many htdocs and i want webalizer be installed in a certain directory. apt-get install webalizer would put it into a directory i don't want it to be |
| 17:31.27 | Becca | At least one of them |
| 17:31.46 | Becca | I haven't bothered trying the other two, since I figured if one of the three it could ping to, it would default to that |
| 17:31.54 | eeyore- | doub: you can put additional layer of protection on your internal file server. specifically block the firewall. this means one more machine to break. you do that, don't you? |
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| 17:32.28 | zrizer | Question: since udev completely blew away my /dev, will it come back when I physically reboot? Or will I have to reinstall? |
| 17:32.28 | Becca | The firewall rules should be in place correctly.. my husband has been working with them while I was trying to get this monster working |
| 17:32.44 | Becca | JR says the laptop isn't even attempting to do a dns retrieval |
| 17:32.47 | zrizer | Furthermore, can I just reinstall the /dev without overwriting all of / and "starting over"? |
| 17:32.49 | dvs | zrizer: Do you have a /.dev/ directory? |
| 17:32.50 | Becca | and he is monitoring all network traffic |
| 17:32.53 | stew | vortec: the fact that you've edited apache's config is really not of any consequece. whats wrong with where debian is trying to put the webalizer files? |
| 17:32.54 | zrizer | dvs: this is Nosf3ratu. |
| 17:33.00 | zrizer | (so..."no") |
| 17:33.03 | doub | eeyore-: not really. but i'm not quite afraid of people stealing my mp3s |
| 17:33.10 | zrizer | i'm logged into another local machine |
| 17:33.13 | eeyore- | Becca: try traceroute to the DNS server. traceroute -n <ip> |
| 17:33.19 | vortec | stew: nevermind. |
| 17:33.21 | zrizer | dvs: btw, I had a /.dev, but it was empty. |
| 17:33.21 | doub | eeyore-: the only thing i'd be glad to prevent is my server being a zombie |
| 17:33.55 | dvs | zrizer: I don't see how /dev/MAKEDEV doesn't work. |
| 17:33.55 | stew | vortec: webalizer seems to want to put a bins in /usr/bin/ what could possibly be wrong with that? |
| 17:33.55 | Becca | Ok, eeyore-, give me one second. Gotta move to the machine to do that :) |
| 17:33.55 | eeyore- | Becca: (also, relax the firewall rule to allow traceroute packets (ports 3364 - 339x i think) |
| 17:33.55 | zrizer | dvs: I don't either. |
| 17:33.55 | zrizer | dvs: it makes no changes to /dev whatsoever. |
| 17:33.56 | zrizer | unless there's a bug in it (it's the amd64 port) |
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| 17:34.04 | Becca | I do not have traceroute as a valid command at the moment |
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| 17:34.15 | zeen | eeyore-: would multihoming the machine make this more secure? |
| 17:34.24 | eeyore- | Becca: "nslookup", then, once you get in you can "server <ip>" |
| 17:34.26 | sepski | Becca, you installed from cd ? many common tools also are avialable there |
| 17:34.29 | Zero_Dogg | when a boot fails with alot of messages about ext3, but the disk mounts fine ro and can be read using a livecd - has the HD gone kaboom or is it just the filesystem? Or how can I find out? |
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| 17:39.02 | elirips | greycat: ther kernel that comes with the woody disk one, i think it is 2.2. you think the 'bf24'-option could help? |
| 17:39.07 | zrizer | Ok. |
| 17:39.14 | zrizer | We'll see how it goes tonight. |
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| 17:39.31 | elirips | greycat: nic is a davicom DMS12AF |
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| 17:39.45 | greycat | resolv.conf is the config file for libresolv which is now part of libc, so you never get to see it any more.... |
| 17:39.54 | elirips | greycat: and this nic already worked with a linux-woody-box, but i don't remember which kernel i used at that time. |
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| 17:40.02 | greycat | elirips: try 2.4. |
| 17:40.28 | elirips | greycat: okay, i will. thx. |
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| 17:41.09 | hallgeir | hi, have anyone here used amd64? I got a tips from ferro the other day, about installing ubutu amd64 and then change the source.list to debian, anyone know of a working source.list for amd64 for debian? |
| 17:41.57 | Becca | Grrr. No, that would be my stupid husband not being able to spell. |
| 17:42.04 | Becca | I just type what I'm bloody told to type. |
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| 17:42.35 | zrizer | hallgeir: I just installed amd64 last night. |
| 17:42.43 | hallgeir | have any tips? |
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| 17:42.48 | zrizer | hallgeir: just ask your question...there are others here. and #debian-amd64. |
| 17:42.57 | zrizer | tips? yah, read the FAQs. |
| 17:43.46 | Becca | Bah. There we go. Sorry for the trouble. My idiot husband should have known I wouldn't know the difference between resolve.conf and resolv.conf... especially since the file wasn't there for me to alter. >.< |
| 17:43.49 | hallgeir | thank you, but im just trying to find a working source.list for amd64 for debian.. |
| 17:43.54 | greycat | !amd64 |
| 17:43.54 | dpkg | amd64 is, like, See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
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| 17:44.19 | zrizer | there's a ton of information on those pages. especially the wiki, hallgeir. |
| 17:44.31 | elirips | greycat: indded, with kernel 2.4 it just worked out of the box... i should have tried that earlier... :P |
| 17:44.33 | vividan | does anyone know how to modify cd images (.iso). I want to change the name of a file |
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| 17:44.59 | Becca | Sorry for the trouble, everyone. >.< Networking isn't my forte by any means. :) |
| 17:45.01 | PerfDave | Why the fuck do people keep installing Ubuntu and changing the sources to Debian, or mixing Debian and Ubuntu sources? Unless you're a complete apt guru, you're going to fuck things up. |
| 17:45.09 | hallgeir | ok, ill try that. |
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| 17:45.12 | dvs | !smite Becca's husband |
| 17:45.14 | greycat | PerfDave: because they're dumb? |
| 17:45.24 | zrizer | PerfDave: desperation and rumors that debian is "too hard to install by itself". |
| 17:45.27 | PerfDave | greycat: Well, they do things involving Ubuntu, they've got to be stupid ;) |
| 17:45.28 | pingouin_ | just sptlit |
| 17:45.31 | Becca | Thanks, dvs :) I'd like to smite him myself. :) |
| 17:45.33 | daft_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.35 | zrizer | So they use ubuntu or knoppix or whatever the hell. |
| 17:45.37 | daft_ | mount* |
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| 17:45.47 | vividan | daft_: it's a bootable CD, will that be an issue? |
| 17:45.48 | PerfDave | zrizer: Yeah. Because Ubuntu and Sarge don't have exactly the same installer or anything. |
| 17:45.58 | zrizer | PerfDave: *i* know this, and *you* know this... |
| 17:46.33 | Becca | zrizer: Debian is only too hard to install by itself if you have a possessed network and a husband who thinks he has it set up properly on his end when he doesn't ;) (and gives the wrong instructions on how to fix things on my end..) |
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| 17:46.50 | daft_ | vividan, dont know realy |
| 17:46.53 | zrizer | Translation: it's only hard if you're clueless. |
| 17:47.05 | zrizer | Or you use the woody installer and are slightly clueless. |
| 17:47.10 | PerfDave | Becca: I think you'd have similar problems installing Ubuntu :) |
| 17:47.10 | abrotman | zrizer: installing ubuntu doesn't give you debian ? |
| 17:47.14 | abrotman | err .. no ? |
| 17:47.18 | abrotman | it just doesn't |
| 17:47.29 | abrotman | stew: snowing now |
| 17:47.29 | zrizer | what? |
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| 17:48.02 | abrotman | what whta? |
| 17:48.08 | zrizer | haha nevermind |
| 17:48.14 | zrizer | miscommunication reigns supreme |
| 17:48.21 | Becca | PerfDave: After the hell I've gone through trying to get this system installing, I don't want to THINK about another install. |
| 17:48.21 | abrotman | installing ubuntu doesn't give you debian |
| 17:48.30 | Becca | The thought is enough to make me twitch. |
| 17:48.32 | zrizer | i didn't say it did. |
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| 17:49.18 | Becca | I am still massive cranky over my hard drive exploding into a zillion pieces because it wasn't smart enough to send the laptop into hibernation without needing help. >.< |
| 17:49.27 | abrotman | no way |
| 17:49.29 | abrotman | i'm not doing it |
| 17:49.34 | zrizer | :o |
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| 17:49.43 | stew | abrotman: cool, that should mean that it will start here in the next hour or two |
| 17:49.50 | abrotman | stew: cool? |
| 17:49.53 | elirips | another question: at the moment i only have one nic installed, which is therefore eth0. if i now add another nic, *can* that change the naming or the nics (so the new one is eth0 and the old eth1), or can i be 100% sure that the new one is going to be eth1? |
| 17:49.59 | zrizer | abrotman: he means literally. cold. |
| 17:49.59 | abrotman | stew: oh wait .. you wakl to work don't you ? |
| 17:50.07 | Becca | And now that I have to prepare to buy a new laptop hard drive, I'm cringing. 6 gigs won't be enough, so I'll get to install yet again.. I don't think I can have two drives in this laptop. ;/ |
| 17:50.08 | stew | abrotman: yeah, like down a flight of stairs |
| 17:50.12 | elirips | i mean "the naming *of* the nics, of course |
| 17:50.13 | MaCa | could anyone help me setting up apt-proxy? It works in half of my clients but failt 'apt-get update' fails on the other half... |
| 17:50.16 | abrotman | stew: i thought so :) |
| 17:50.20 | eeyore- | Becca: i think that mindset accounts for part of the problem :-) if you think "install is fun", you won't have as much trouble |
| 17:50.34 | eeyore- | Becca: or if not fun, at least relaxing |
| 17:50.40 | abrotman | stew: i'm contemplating bailing early to get home |
| 17:50.45 | stew | abrotman: and i love snow. i'm hoping we get enough to get the x-country skiis out, but thats probably a stretch |
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| 17:51.00 | abrotman | stew: i like snow .. but when i can enjoy it .. not when i have to drive in it |
| 17:51.00 | Becca | eeyore-: No, an install is just something that needs done in order to be able to make the laptop do what I want it to. |
| 17:51.13 | Becca | Frankly, installs are something that should be quick, painless and out of my hair within 30 minutes |
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| 17:51.30 | abrotman | eeyore-: they are fun! |
| 17:51.38 | Becca | Which usually, they are.. if I'm using a desktop. I have a bad record for installing laptops tho |
| 17:51.45 | eeyore- | Becca: so what's the verdict? what have you found out? |
| 17:51.47 | abrotman | laptops are fun! |
| 17:51.52 | abrotman | !fun |
| 17:51.52 | dpkg | !find apt |
| 17:52.07 | Becca | The verdict is that my husband is an idiot that can't spell resolv.conf properly. :) |
| 17:52.14 | abrotman | oh .. bad husband |
| 17:52.17 | abrotman | very bad ... |
| 17:52.26 | dvs | what? He's not smited yet? |
| 17:52.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: it's like ... any machine i touch magically turns to linux :-) when my boss gave me a laptop some months ago, three weeks later they came by my office and asked if it's still running windows :-) |
| 17:52.36 | Becca | I'm smart. I usually just hit tab so I don't mispell things, but I didn't get that option this time. |
| 17:52.36 | abrotman | though .. i can't ever remember if it's /etc/defaultroute or /etc/defaultrouter |
| 17:52.46 | inc|freaky | hi all. how can i change the language apt-get uses? (and other programs on the shell? - non-graphical things) i did dpkg-reconfigure locales but apt-get still uses german as language but i want it to use english :(( |
| 17:52.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: of course not! |
| 17:53.00 | Becca | abrotman: You aren't supposed to remember. Its supposed to be hit tab and find out! |
| 17:53.24 | abrotman | Becca: this is solaris .. you have to make the file :) |
| 17:53.41 | greycat | !pal Solaris |
| 17:53.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: defautrouter |
| 17:53.51 | MaCa | inc|freaky: export LC_ALL=de ? |
| 17:53.51 | Becca | abrotman: After this resolv.conf issue, I think I will stay far far away from solaris... :) |
| 17:54.04 | abrotman | eeyore-: yes .. i know that at this moment .. in 6 months .. i won't remember :) |
| 17:54.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: arrrgh, defaultrouter |
| 17:54.12 | inc|freaky | MaCa: huh? i dont want it to be DE, i want it to be english ;) |
| 17:54.13 | quittt | who owns Debian? |
| 17:54.17 | eeyore- | quittt: me |
| 17:54.19 | zrizer | quittt: me |
| 17:54.19 | greycat | heh |
| 17:54.20 | abrotman | eeyore-: i know what you meant .. "r" on the end :) |
| 17:54.21 | dvs | I do |
| 17:54.31 | MaCa | inc|freaky: export LC_ALL=C would put it in english... |
| 17:54.38 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, i missed the "l" :-) |
| 17:54.44 | Becca | I'm just a user that knows some of the very basic basics. I can handle most install stuff (unless I actually have to do manual configurations) and I can even compile my kernels from source... not that I do it for fun. |
| 17:54.46 | Becca | And thats about it. |
| 17:54.46 | FieldySnuts | @fuck all y'all |
| 17:54.53 | abrotman | eeyore-: i know .. but i meant .. it has to have the "r" on the end |
| 17:54.59 | inc|freaky | MaCa: y C? |
| 17:55.15 | inc|freaky | MaCa: but that'd only be temporary |
| 17:56.03 | quittt | zrizer, you are all wrong! |
| 17:56.06 | MaCa | inc|freaky: well, you can allways put it inside /etc/bashrc and make it the default for all shell accounts. Or put it in your ~/.bash_profile and make it the default for your interactive shells |
| 17:56.06 | quittt | I own Debian |
| 17:56.09 | quittt | hahahaha |
| 17:56.25 | quittt | I will change the license and all of you wont use it anymore |
| 17:56.27 | quittt | hahaha |
| 17:56.29 | greycat | !system wide |
| 17:56.29 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 17:56.53 | inc|freaky | nah, i want to change the language of my system from german to english because the consoles cant display ä, ö and ü and it looks ugly ... the output of programs using german with strange signs |
| 17:57.02 | greycat | inc|freaky: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:57.02 | eeyore- | that's right! every user deserves his/her own kernel |
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| 17:57.18 | elirips | can someone give me some ideas how to do printer-sharing in linux? i would like to connect my hp laserjet 1200 to my linux-box via lpt / usb, and then make it accessible for windows and linux clients. i know i can do it with samba, but that never worked perfect.. are there other possibilities or do i have to do it with samba? |
| 17:57.18 | inc|freaky | greycat: i did that allready but apt-get still uses german :( |
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| 17:58.14 | ThomasAH | elirips: CUPS with IPP is sufficient, if you have Windows 2000 or newer |
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| 17:58.43 | eeyore- | .tor? |
| 17:58.45 | MaCa | inc|freaky: tell me, the problem is the langue or the problem is that the terminal can't display esset and accented characters? |
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| 17:58.57 | elirips | ThomasAH: thakns, going to read what IPP is. |
| 17:59.08 | greycat | I hope I got the "exception" syntax right. |
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| 17:59.26 | bobesponja | my laptop arabic keyboard doesn't work with sarge debian installer, the right part of the keyboard doesn't work and the Fx keys don't work either |
| 17:59.35 | tlptd | +h3 +0r 1s n0\/\/ qu13+ |
| 17:59.37 | eeyore- | elirips: i have no problem with sharing printers with samba. the printers are all driven via cups. |
| 17:59.45 | elirips | and already the next question: can i mount two or more different partitions at the same point? if yes, what's then happening if i save data at this point? |
| 17:59.48 | quittt | who made Debian avaible? |
| 17:59.56 | ThomasAH | elirips: something like printing over http. W2K accepts the cups (IPP) server under the URL: http://servername:631/printers/theprintername |
| 17:59.58 | inc|freaky | MaCa: the terminal cant display esset and accented characters since i put vga=... in the grub configuration to have a higher resolution in my consoles (i think but im not sure since when that problem persists) i just cant get it fixed so i wanted to at least change the language |
| 18:00.14 | greycat | quittt: God. |
| 18:00.19 | elirips | eeyore-: i never got rid of "unable to connect, access denied" on the windows-boxes. printing was working fine, but in print-manager of windows i always had tihs error. |
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| 18:00.21 | Phated | Amen. |
| 18:00.22 | MaCa | inc|freaky: because, if you are in the console and if you did created a locale for german with dpkg-reconfigure locale, setting LC_ALL or LC_LANG and runing bash againg would make the terminal print accented chars |
| 18:00.33 | eeyore- | elirips: you'll want unionfs |
| 18:00.36 | tyranix | Hi, I'm going to submit a bug + patch for highlight. I have made a local change to the code. What's the best way to rebuild it in the same way dpkg/apt/whatever would to make sure this change doesn't break other parts? |
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| 18:00.48 | inc|freaky | which locale should i choose? the utf one? |
| 18:00.55 | greycat | tyranix: /msg dpkg source /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:00.56 | Becca | Anyway, thanks everyone. Have a good day |
| 18:01.02 | tyranix | greycat: thanks |
| 18:01.08 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: I sure would appreciate the link to download the gentoo livecd. all I'm finding are instructions on how to build one. |
| 18:01.10 | MaCa | inc|freaky: at least that's what i do here to see ç and accented chars: i set LC_ALL=pt_BR. No problem....and it is running with plain VGA also. |
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| 18:01.37 | inc|freaky | ill try, but i dont think it wi9ll work |
| 18:01.41 | inc|freaky | i tried yesterday |
| 18:01.43 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: www.gentoo.org, get gentoo, mirrors, go to OSDL, releases, drill down to 2004.3 |
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| 18:01.48 | inc|freaky | where can i set LC_ALL? |
| 18:01.51 | inc|freaky | profile? |
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| 18:02.09 | elirips | eeyore-: unionfs... another thing to read about, i'll be busy this evening |
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| 18:02.41 | MaCa | just try in a bash shell export LC_ALL=ge and... run bash again. Try typing a ü and see if it prints ok... |
| 18:02.45 | ThomasAH | inc|freaky: maybe /etc/environment (this is where "dpkg-reconfigure locales" saves LANG) |
| 18:02.48 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: http://gentoo.osuosl.org/releases/x86/2004.3/livecd/ |
| 18:02.49 | nvz | I gotta go assess the value of a colection of PC parts.. what fun |
| 18:03.26 | MaCa | inc|freaky: if things don't work this way, then set LANG=C or LANG=en_US in /etc/environment |
| 18:03.31 | ThomasAH | inc|freaky: and try typing in vim first, the bash needs additional treatment (see /etc/inputrc) |
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| 18:04.11 | inc|freaky | MaCa: LC_ALL=de or ge? |
| 18:04.16 | MaCa | Does anyone known why apt-proxy don't work with testing's apt? |
| 18:04.17 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: even those insturctions are proving frustrating. |
| 18:04.33 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: what instructions? |
| 18:04.35 | sgeigerbot | eeyore-: ah..I see the url. thansk. |
| 18:04.39 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: :-) |
| 18:04.40 | MaCa | inc|freaky: i dunno what's the "locale code " for german.. whay a sec... |
| 18:04.46 | Rambo3_ | i have cd dvd cmbo drive , and i cant figure out how to get it working ,cfdisk hd[b,c,d] gives = no disk found . kernel 2,2,0 |
| 18:04.50 | inc|freaky | i think de_de |
| 18:04.52 | inc|freaky | ? |
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| 18:05.19 | dvs | inc|freaky: de_DE? |
| 18:05.19 | MaCa | inc|freaky: de_DE (just saw in /etc/locale.alias) |
| 18:05.27 | inc|freaky | ok |
| 18:05.35 | trouble | hi folks |
| 18:05.36 | abrotman | sgeigerbot: you still hate me? |
| 18:05.36 | inc|freaky | but why LC_ALL? |
| 18:05.41 | ThomasAH | inc|freaky: de_DE@euro |
| 18:05.41 | inc|freaky | and not LANG? |
| 18:05.52 | inc|freaky | ThomasAH: thats the one im using :D |
| 18:05.57 | abrotman | i guess that's a yes |
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| 18:06.05 | MaCa | inc|freaky: it set all locales, including how money, date and other stuff should be printed in your language |
| 18:06.06 | trouble | any1 know how to setup a usb hdd for file sharing ??? |
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| 18:06.18 | zrizer | !any1 |
| 18:06.18 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 18:06.28 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/lvm2.xml |
| 18:06.33 | abrotman | !usb-storage |
| 18:06.33 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 18:06.50 | nvz | yeah I am suppose to go have a look at a PC with full perps and say if its worth $100 and this Brother All-In-One printer/scanner/copier they supposedly have is worth more than that.. |
| 18:07.03 | nvz | I dont even see it worth looking at, I can pretty much say without looking |
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| 18:07.48 | eeyore- | nvz: "full perps"? |
| 18:08.03 | nvz | cheapest model Brother all-in-one is listed at $199 and they have it for $99 at office depot |
| 18:08.08 | inc|freaky | ThomasAH, MaCa nothing of that works :( now not even the @ sign works |
| 18:08.16 | nvz | eeyore-: yeah like key, mouse, speakers, monitor, printer, scanner, copier.. |
| 18:08.18 | inc|freaky | and in vi the same problem as in console |
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| 18:08.21 | djace | anyone know the official slashdot IRC channel? |
| 18:08.23 | nvz | eeyore-: full setup |
| 18:08.27 | eeyore- | nvz: ah! peripherals |
| 18:08.40 | lu | anybody set up nostromo with debian? |
| 18:08.48 | nvz | eeyore-: yeah you should yinzersmite me |
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| 18:08.50 | Rambo3_ | in older kernels what modprobe for cd rom drive is there ? modprobe: Can't locate module ide-cd |
| 18:09.03 | lu | the speedpadn52 |
| 18:09.04 | ThomasAH | inc|freaky: ok, start from beginning: Console (not X) dpkg-reconfigure console-data then dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:09.11 | slocate | what's the right way to reload .Xdefaults? xrdb somthing |
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| 18:09.23 | pythonholum | hi |
| 18:09.25 | dvs | Rambo3_: By older kernel you mean...? |
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| 18:09.29 | inc|freaky | ThomasAH: k |
| 18:09.31 | michelts | hi guys! |
| 18:09.33 | eeyore- | sgeigerbot: yoohoo! did you see the second URL? |
| 18:09.35 | nvz | pythonholum: not yet, but I am working on it |
| 18:09.35 | Rambo3_ | 2.2.0 |
| 18:09.37 | S4nD3r_ | Hi, I need some help about trying to connect to http://linmodems.org. I get to access to any site, least this one. someone may help me ? |
| 18:09.46 | michelts | Do you know a tool for monitoring a remote server? |
| 18:09.49 | sgeigerbot | slocate: "xrdb < ~/.Xdefaults" |
| 18:09.50 | tyranix | greycat: Thanks, that's exactly what I needed. |
| 18:09.53 | MaCa | dpkg: is de_DE ISO-8859-1 listed in cat /etc/locale.gen? |
| 18:09.54 | dpkg | MaCa: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:09.55 | pythonholum | i am wondering what the command is to see the size of a disk |
| 18:10.01 | nvz | michelts: use the force luke |
| 18:10.01 | zrizer | michelts: monitoring what? |
| 18:10.01 | MaCa | inc|freaky: : is de_DE ISO-8859-1 listed in cat /etc/locale.gen? |
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| 18:10.10 | eeyore- | pythonholum: /proc/ide/hd?/capacity |
| 18:10.11 | nvz | michelts: or your package manager's search function |
| 18:10.13 | dvs | ISO-8859-1? |
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| 18:10.42 | MaCa | dvs: yeah.. latin1 charset |
| 18:10.44 | michelts | zrizer: I want a grafical ping, could be an applet for gnome or wmaker... |
| 18:10.48 | nvz | pythonholum: well you could see disk usage of mounted volumes with df |
| 18:10.52 | nvz | pythonholum: I use df -Th |
| 18:10.56 | zrizer | A what? |
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| 18:11.02 | dvs | MaCa: Why one ISO-8859-15 (especially in Europe) |
| 18:11.07 | dvs | MaCa: Why nto ISO-8859-15 (especially in Europe) |
| 18:11.14 | dvs | MaCa: Why not ISO-8859-15 (especially in Europe) |
| 18:11.14 | sgeigerbot | miare you on crack? :-) |
| 18:11.21 | nvz | pythonholum: for more detailed partition info of even unmounted columes you would want to use a partition util like fdisk or cfdisk |
| 18:11.31 | zrizer | haha |
| 18:11.33 | sussudio | !fix dvs |
| 18:11.42 | dvs | Ouch! |
| 18:12.07 | inc|freaky | yes it is. since i did that export LC_ALL everything is messed up ... ill just do a reboot now, brb |
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| 18:12.20 | inc|freaky | MaCa |
| 18:12.36 | nvz | it be chillin in Texas today, 45degF |
| 18:12.38 | inc|freaky | it prings strange characters arround the configure things of apt |
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| 18:12.47 | inc|freaky | and everything looks strange |
| 18:12.50 | inc|freaky | brb |
| 18:12.51 | dvs | nvz: You call that chillin? |
| 18:12.51 | Thanatermesis | how to run NFS ? |
| 18:12.55 | Thanatermesis | Cannot register service: RPC: Unable to send; errno = invalid argument |
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| 18:13.00 | eeyore- | inc|freaky: forget the looks, that's OK for now. as long as you can read you're ok |
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| 18:13.23 | pythonholum | that dousnt work |
| 18:13.30 | eeyore- | Thanatermesis: /etc/init.d/portmap start; /etc/init.d/nfs-common start |
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| 18:13.31 | nvz | dvs: 45 is freezing for texas.. thats only 13 deg above freezing ! |
| 18:13.34 | MaCa | dvs: Well... latin1 can express all characters german language uses, can't it? Anyway, that's what i use for portuguese, I don't know if there's a better charset for german... |
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| 18:13.41 | nvz | dvs: 72degF is cold here |
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| 18:13.57 | Thanatermesis | eeyore-, portmap started... not run |
| 18:14.13 | pythonholum | that didnt tell me the cappacity |
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| 18:14.21 | miyo | We had -23C yesterday morning. |
| 18:14.22 | michelts | replying myself: maybe nagios... |
| 18:14.28 | rug | Which Debian Sarge Cd's are necessary for installation? I'm not talking about the network installation... |
| 18:14.31 | dvs | MaCa: ISO-8859-15 has the Euro character. isn't that needed? |
| 18:14.40 | ThomasAH | maca: iso-latin9 (== iso-8859-15) is the same as latin1 (== iso-885901) except for the Euro sign: ¤ |
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| 18:14.55 | dvs | nvz: 72degF would be a nice day here. |
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| 18:15.11 | beppe84 | anyone known if is possible regoulate the fan rpm under linux ? |
| 18:15.15 | eeyore- | it's wet in socal right now :-p sinkholes, mudslides, rockslides |
| 18:15.42 | MaCa | dvs: If you live in europe it really is need. :-) |
| 18:16.00 | dvs | MaCa: That's what I'm saying ;-) |
| 18:16.04 | sgeigerbot | beppe84: probably the most you can do is see how fast the fan runs. Btw, you aren't being specific about which fan... |
| 18:16.10 | MaCa | ThomasAH: I didn't knew that :-( |
| 18:16.38 | ThomasAH | maca: no problem, that's why we told you. Now you know it, too :) |
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| 18:17.03 | MaCa | inc|freaky: so... what locales are listed in yours /etc/locale.gen ? |
| 18:17.07 | inc|freaky | ThomasAH, MaCa it just dont want to work :( i did the dpkg-reconfigure console-data and locales again and it doesnt work :( |
| 18:17.10 | inc|freaky | MaCa: all i selected |
| 18:17.40 | MaCa | inc|freaky: but which were they? |
| 18:17.53 | inc|freaky | w8 |
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| 18:18.19 | rug | Which Debian Sarge Cd's are necessary for installation? I'm not talking about the network installation... |
| 18:18.34 | dvs | !netinst |
| 18:18.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 18:18.35 | elirips | does someone by chance know a good place to get a nice script that configures my pc as a router and some minimal firewall? |
| 18:18.36 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: sorry to bug you but when the status of the test is "Completed without error" the disk should be alive right? |
| 18:18.51 | inc|freaky | MaCa: de, en_us en_gb |
| 18:18.53 | dvs | rug: Oops! You only need the first CD really. |
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| 18:19.17 | rug | first CD... thanks a bunch |
| 18:19.26 | rug | ciao |
| 18:19.27 | eeyore- | Zero_Dogg: right, smartctl -a /dev/hda, look at (if any) ATA error log near the bottom |
| 18:19.35 | dvs | rug: bye |
| 18:20.20 | MaCa | inc|freaky: did you select de_DE ISO-8859-15 and de_DE UTF-8? |
| 18:20.22 | paulswm | Hey, sgeigerbot, did you try out "planner", or find anything better? Just curious. |
| 18:20.22 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: ATA Error count: 2. And on the far bottom, SMART Self-test log... ... ... Completed without error |
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| 18:20.36 | inc|freaky | yea |
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| 18:21.02 | inc|freaky | w8, ill do everything again |
| 18:21.25 | MaCa | inc|freaky: so... ' export LC_ALL=de_DE && bash ' and type.. say, ls --help |
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| 18:22.10 | eeyore- | Zero_Dogg: what kind of ATA errors were they? and what hour? |
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| 18:22.23 | MaCa | inc|freaky: or apt-get --help ... something with german text |
| 18:22.45 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: I'll paste it all somewhere |
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| 18:22.55 | eeyore- | Zero_Dogg: just summarize |
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| 18:23.09 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: I'm not sure what is important |
| 18:23.37 | paster | "Zero_Dogg" at 80.202.195.100 pasted "SMART" (52 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/295 |
| 18:23.48 | eeyore- | this is funny as hell |
| 18:23.53 | inc|freaky | it just doesnt work :( |
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| 18:24.20 | eeyore- | Gator CPO appointed to the department of homeland security "Data Privacy and Integrity Advisory Committe", /. |
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| 18:24.23 | inc|freaky | MaCa: still using german, with the wrong keys i think its caused by the resolution thingy but im not sure. in kde everything works fine |
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| 18:26.04 | MaCa | inc|freaky: but in apt-get help message, everything appeard fine? |
| 18:26.10 | inc|freaky | no |
| 18:26.23 | inc|freaky | still not recognizing äöü |
| 18:26.26 | inc|freaky | correctly |
| 18:26.35 | inc|freaky | i get a strange Z when pressing ä f.e. |
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| 18:27.25 | eeyore- | mmmmm, the athlon64 socket-939 is beginning to look better. dual-core athlon64 coming later this year. too bad i just bought AGP graphics card not too long ago and if i went with decent socket-939 board it'll be pci-express :-p |
| 18:27.26 | MaCa | inc|freaky: I'm out of ideas :-( Wait.. all that was not to configure the keybord, but to configure you terminal to show german correctly... to configure your keybord run kbdconfig |
| 18:27.35 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: http://channels.debian.net/paste/295 |
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| 18:29.03 | inc|freaky | k, ill try, thank you! :D |
| 18:29.33 | greycat | !keymap |
| 18:29.33 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev |
| 18:29.37 | Simplexe | hi, i have a network card (ISA) and it's not reconized by the debian what should i do ? |
| 18:29.51 | greycat | Simplexe: try sarge. |
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| 18:30.01 | inc|freaky | ill reboot now, testing things :) |
| 18:30.01 | greycat | Simplexe: or try manually loading the module you require |
| 18:30.02 | inc|freaky | brb |
| 18:30.21 | eeyore- | Zero_Dogg: you had dma read error on one sector of the drive, at 553 hour. now your drive is at 3365 hour. i wouldn't worry about it. but, keep checking regularly (maybe every two or three months) |
| 18:30.23 | Simplexe | greycat : can u explain more plz :) |
| 18:30.35 | greycat | !d-i |
| 18:30.35 | dpkg | [d-i] the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions, or see <debian-installer> |
| 18:30.54 | Jeo | I have my exim in debian, I set it... I can send email to some servers but anothers like hotmail.com it does not works |
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| 18:31.06 | greycat | Jeo: are you on a dynamic IP> |
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| 18:31.14 | Jeo | yep |
| 18:31.17 | greycat | !dul |
| 18:31.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, dul is the Dial-Up Users List or Use your ISPs Relay/Smart Host. See http://mail-abuse.org/ or a textbook example of the cure being worse than the disease |
| 18:31.21 | simonrvn | Jeo: probably because you should be sending through your ISP's mailhost |
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| 18:31.31 | Jeo | using ddclient to set ips |
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| 18:31.51 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: Well, now the FS seems dead anyway, when I boot I get a ton of EXT3 errors. Reformatting the drive and allowing d-i to scan the entire HD should fix that |
| 18:31.57 | Jeo | but i can send some email greycat |
| 18:31.58 | greycat | Jeo: many sites blacklist dynamic IP address pools. |
| 18:32.02 | simonrvn | Jeo: hotmail doesn't like dynamic IPs |
| 18:32.10 | Jeo | humm |
| 18:32.13 | greycat | Jeo: use your ISP's relay ("smart host") |
| 18:32.14 | keud | do I need to run defrag on ext2 filesystem? I never heard running defrag in linux. |
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| 18:32.26 | simonrvn | no |
| 18:32.30 | Jeo | where is it |
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| 18:32.35 | greycat | keud: as long as you don't keep it 99% full it should stay relatively unfragmented |
| 18:32.37 | Jeo | this smart host |
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| 18:32.40 | eeyore- | Zero_Dogg: it's probably not related |
| 18:32.43 | greycat | Jeo: ask them. |
| 18:32.46 | Simplexe | greycat : i have an old 486 pc with a low storage capacity , sarge is too big for me ! |
| 18:32.53 | Delph | keud: i wouldn't worry overmuch about it. |
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| 18:32.58 | greycat | Simplexe: then you get to load the driver yourself, in modconf. |
| 18:33.05 | Rambo3_ | comon help , how do i get my dvd drive to work |
| 18:33.08 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: okay, just ext3 that decided it didn't like me then |
| 18:33.11 | greycat | !faq Rambo3_ |
| 18:33.12 | dpkg | Rambo3_: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:33.24 | Rambo3_ | yeah it s now working |
| 18:33.31 | eeyore- | Zero_Dogg: 3365-553/24 = 117 days of continuous uptime |
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| 18:33.33 | MaCa | inc|freaky: so... did it worked? |
| 18:33.34 | Jeo | using apt-get, I must install something more? |
| 18:33.39 | keud | Delph, warum? |
| 18:33.45 | greycat | !tell jeo about mail tutorial |
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| 18:33.54 | inc|freaky | still not working :( |
| 18:33.56 | inc|freaky | MaCa: no :( |
| 18:33.58 | greycat | Jeo: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 18:33.59 | inc|freaky | MaCa: how can i do that export LC_ALL C permanent? |
| 18:34.00 | MacTAnzu | Attach msg ignored: coming from inside. |
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| 18:34.03 | inc|freaky | but not writing it into a bashrc or whatever? |
| 18:34.15 | greycat | !wikifaq inc|freaky DotFiles |
| 18:34.15 | keud | greycat, so ext2 is designed not easily got fragmented? |
| 18:34.15 | dpkg | inc|freaky: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:34.16 | Zero_Dogg | eeyore-: ah okay. I'll be off to reinstall sarge/sid then. Thanks alot:) |
| 18:34.25 | greycat | keud: correct |
| 18:34.35 | detox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:34.48 | jerome | UYA |
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| 18:34.55 | keud | greycat, there's defrag package, so this package is not much useful? |
| 18:35.00 | MaCa | inc|freaky: dpkg-reconfigure locale should ask you what locale you want as default |
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| 18:35.05 | jerome | detox: tell us about your client |
| 18:35.05 | greycat | MaCa: +s |
| 18:35.09 | detox | xchat |
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| 18:35.16 | jerome | ho |
| 18:35.25 | jerome | then you have to click somewhere |
| 18:35.34 | pzn__ | I need to implement a VPN between a Debian and a WinXP box. do you recommend freeswan? any other package? |
| 18:35.35 | da0gre | detox, thers a drag bar for the chat window, is it dragged all the way to the edge? |
| 18:35.43 | inc|freaky | MaCa: yea, i chose en_US but it still uses german, only with that export thing apt used english :( |
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| 18:35.58 | quittt | is Debian woody good? |
| 18:36.14 | MaCa | what's the content of /etc/environment ? |
| 18:36.16 | Jeo | I dont have this exim4, i have exim... should i switch? |
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| 18:36.20 | simonrvn | oh, get/set 32 bit |
| 18:36.24 | simonrvn | ECHAN |
| 18:36.54 | greycat | !wikifaq MaCa DotFiles |
| 18:36.55 | dpkg | MaCa: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:37.02 | da0gre | Has anyone here gotten the ppc live cd to repartition hfs? It doesnt work for me |
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| 18:37.10 | eric | !wikifaq eric mysql |
| 18:37.11 | dpkg | eric: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/mysql or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 18:37.45 | Jeo | all right... thanks a lot again... I will read |
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| 18:37.57 | Jeo | see you guys, have a nice day |
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| 18:38.07 | TolkienLuver | In debian how to do remove services that i don't want to run (as found in netstat) |
| 18:38.30 | johnnyST | TolkienLuver, try sysvconfig |
| 18:38.44 | lu | Ditto JRRLuver, how to remove that pesky appletalkd |
| 18:38.46 | quittt | when Sid will get released? |
| 18:38.49 | simonrvn | TolkienLuver: you stop them, and remove them |
| 18:38.53 | simonrvn | quittt: never |
| 18:39.06 | chealer9 | is quittt a bot? |
| 18:39.09 | TolkienLuver | simonrvn: and to remove that package from my system such as exim4? |
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| 18:39.19 | TolkienLuver | dpkg couldn't locate exim4. so. |
| 18:39.20 | dpkg | TolkienLuver: i haven't a clue |
| 18:39.20 | eeyore- | bye! |
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| 18:39.31 | simonrvn | TolkienLuver: um, you need an mta. don't touch that unless you're installing another |
| 18:39.41 | simonrvn | chealer9: no, just dumb |
| 18:39.43 | lu | JRRlover |
| 18:39.49 | lu | do a dpkg -l | more |
| 18:39.53 | chealer9 | simonrvn: oh, I see |
| 18:39.55 | TolkienLuver | simonrvn: hmm.. then what do i do with the current inetd, portmap, exim4 ? |
| 18:39.59 | lu | you'll find all the installed packages |
| 18:40.00 | TolkienLuver | stop them under init.d ? |
| 18:40.09 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:40.16 | quittt | chealer9, no! |
| 18:40.18 | abrotman | TolkienLuver: comment them out under inetd ? |
| 18:40.21 | abrotman | restart inetd? |
| 18:40.21 | simonrvn | but don't stop exim4. cron will break |
| 18:40.28 | abrotman | TolkienLuver: and you can remove portmap |
| 18:40.32 | greycat | you can stop it, but don't remove it. |
| 18:40.36 | TolkienLuver | then they will be consuming my space. |
| 18:40.42 | abrotman | greycat: which ? |
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| 18:40.49 | greycat | abrotman: exim4. |
| 18:40.51 | simonrvn | greycat: well, cron would break here anyway :) |
| 18:40.51 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 18:40.55 | TolkienLuver | and its insecure to have that service running yea? |
| 18:41.10 | lu | I removed exim with no prob? |
| 18:41.11 | TolkienLuver | to have additional services* |
| 18:41.11 | greycat | TolkienLuver: it only listens to 127.0.0.1 by default. I think. Check netstat(1). |
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| 18:41.18 | greycat | oops, netstat(8). |
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| 18:41.26 | da0gre | So is that a no on the ppc repartition? |
| 18:41.27 | simonrvn | yeh, system |
| 18:41.30 | TolkienLuver | greenfly: ah ic. |
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| 18:41.33 | detox | found the nic window |
| 18:41.36 | simonrvn | da0gre: eh? |
| 18:41.53 | TolkienLuver | is inetd and portmap a necessity then? |
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| 18:42.01 | da0gre | i need to repartion my powerbook (hfs) and the debian ppc live cd is supposedly patched to do so |
| 18:42.05 | da0gre | but it doesnt work |
| 18:42.20 | simonrvn | what live cd? |
| 18:42.21 | da0gre | and forums have yielded little help |
| 18:42.26 | herodes | sarge installation by net, (netinstaller) can be done burning iso into a cdrw ??and booting from it? |
| 18:42.43 | da0gre | mmm.. the live cd compiled for powerpc |
| 18:42.48 | simonrvn | what live cd? |
| 18:42.51 | chealer9 | herodes: yes |
| 18:43.04 | herodes | chealer9, no need to be cd-r no? |
| 18:43.05 | da0gre | oh crap |
| 18:43.10 | greycat | da0gre: you do know that you're in #debian, right? |
| 18:43.18 | da0gre | yeah, i just figured that out |
| 18:43.24 | da0gre | sorry, too many tabs open |
| 18:43.25 | chealer9 | herodes: I never heard of cd-r/cd-rw making any difference to a PC |
| 18:43.40 | greycat | chealer9: with some *really* old drives, it might. |
| 18:43.53 | simonrvn | yeh, like the one i have *grin* |
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| 18:44.04 | chealer9 | eh, yeah, those that didn't read cd-rw maybe :D |
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| 18:44.14 | detox | hey need a ssh guru |
| 18:44.16 | simonrvn | no, just cd-r |
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| 18:44.23 | herodes | i have a 16x10x40...it has more than 6-8 years... |
| 18:44.26 | kingsley | What's the proper way to disable xscreensaver? |
| 18:44.28 | simonrvn | @tell detox -about guru |
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| 18:45.03 | abrotman | kingsley: turn it off .. or uninstall it |
| 18:45.17 | detox | attempting to set up ssh and need assistance |
| 18:45.29 | TolkienLuver | detox: whats up |
| 18:45.33 | simonrvn | just ask the question, ok? |
| 18:45.36 | greycat | What sites can translate Swedish to English? Babelfish can't.... |
| 18:45.47 | detox | have established ssh ,,, know ip but |
| 18:45.59 | hedonick | greycat: I don't think there is any what so ever... what do you need to know? |
| 18:46.01 | abrotman | greycat: google doesn't turn anythign up ? |
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| 18:46.04 | kingsley | abrotman: Do you happen to know how to "turn off" xscreensaver? |
| 18:46.05 | detox | router had firewall ,, disableed it |
| 18:46.17 | abrotman | kingsley: uninstall it ? |
| 18:46.29 | detox | a person said needed to route ip ,,, |
| 18:46.33 | greycat | hedonick: trying to register a new acccount on piratebay :) |
| 18:46.34 | simonrvn | kingsley: kill it. don't start it in the first place. remove it |
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| 18:46.54 | detox | but all i see is port forwarding |
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| 18:47.01 | simonrvn | teclo: salut |
| 18:47.06 | pythonholum_ | hello |
| 18:47.15 | teclo | I have issues with komba2... I see nothing in komba2, although I have a few machines with samba shares |
| 18:47.19 | teclo | salut simonrvn |
| 18:47.28 | chealer9 | herodes: well, if it's a cd-rw, it won't cost much to try |
| 18:47.32 | kingsley | simonrvn: I tried killing xscreensaver yesterday, and coincidentally, 2.4.27 crashed soon thereafter. |
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| 18:48.39 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: kill sussudio |
| 18:48.42 | TolkienLuver | Hi sorry, one last qns, would it be okay to remove inetd? |
| 18:48.49 | hedonick | greycat: "Anv?ndarnamn" -> Username, "L?senord" -> password, "Bekr?fta" -> confirm, "Hemsida" -> Homepage... and, oh, "Porr" -> porn ;-) |
| 18:48.56 | FieldySnuts | you could if you're not using it, have fun |
| 18:49.01 | TolkienLuver | okay thanks. |
| 18:49.05 | hedonick | greycat: or are you trying read the fine print as well? |
| 18:49.14 | FieldySnuts | what's with the question marks in the user names etc? |
| 18:49.34 | Zero_Dogg | can I make d-i install lilo instead of grub? |
| 18:50.07 | simonrvn | lack of accents |
| 18:50.12 | greycat | hedonick: no, just the mandatory fields will suffice :) |
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| 18:50.32 | herodes | one more thing.....if the netinstalation is done froma LAN pc , may have problems??. need i to conenct directly to cable-modem for dhcp¿?? |
| 18:50.55 | abrotman | greycat: http://lexin.nada.kth.se/sve-eng.shtml |
| 18:50.59 | paulswm | herodes: I've done netinstalls OK from LAN pcs |
| 18:51.06 | herodes | ok |
| 18:51.19 | paulswm | !prise abrotman |
| 18:51.26 | abrotman | i win! |
| 18:51.36 | Nwallins | i have like 6 or 7 ports open according to nmap. is there a way to find out which service is opening which port so i can shut down or remove that service? |
| 18:51.45 | Nwallins | all i need right now is ssh |
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| 18:51.53 | greycat | damn, someone already has greycat on that site. |
| 18:51.55 | Delph | Nwallins: netstat -nap |
| 18:51.58 | Nwallins | i've installed sarge base and little else |
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| 18:52.05 | Nwallins | checking.. thanks Delph |
| 18:52.06 | FieldySnuts | Nwallins: netstat -anp | grep :port |
| 18:52.15 | drac | Nwallins: checking /etc/inetd.conf and uninstalling portmap is good start. |
| 18:52.26 | Nwallins | yeah.. none of that rpcbind shit for me |
| 18:52.34 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: fuck rpc services |
| 18:52.48 | Nwallins | softly.. that's nice |
| 18:53.13 | FieldySnuts | i was hoping for the use of a vibrator but guess not that time |
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| 18:54.08 | FieldySnuts | by the bot. |
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| 18:54.33 | KirbyMeister | Question: For some reason, when I load my system, grub says that the kernel image is broken |
| 18:54.37 | greycat | no wonder dpkg keeps coming every time. |
| 18:54.48 | FieldySnuts | greycat: sure it was that way in ravenbird, and not just dpkg ? |
| 18:55.00 | KirbyMeister | the images and such are on a 60MB ext2 partition |
| 18:55.28 | simonrvn | i did it. it is that way in both. i wasnt sure if that was to be random |
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| 18:55.45 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I didn't actually create the current dpkg CMD: fuck (.*?) factoid. I was working on it, but I got lost in all the parentheses, and had to go home. Then simonrvn(?) finished it, but in a simplified form. |
| 18:55.55 | FieldySnuts | fun |
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| 18:56.05 | greycat | I had a slightly more ambitious goal. |
| 18:56.31 | FieldySnuts | now if only ravenbird did something like (maybe not exactly, for some change) dpkg's confuse |
| 18:56.32 | jerome | we have to package a newbie lexical package, so that, when we say "type stfw", newb ppl would just be told about what it means and what they have to do next. |
| 18:56.38 | FieldySnuts | er, not confuse, irritate |
| 18:56.42 | jerome | a step forward to usuability |
| 18:56.53 | greycat | jerome: /usr/games/wtf |
| 18:57.06 | greycat | !find games/wtf$ woody |
| 18:57.09 | asg | !fuck nortel for the second time today |
| 18:57.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'games/wtf' (1 shown): (/usr/games/wtf) in games/bsdgames. |
| 18:57.20 | abrotman | !beer asg |
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| 18:57.26 | Nwallins | regarding turning off services: should i do something other than apt-get remove? |
| 18:57.30 | asg | abrotman: yeah, I fucking need one |
| 18:57.34 | abrotman | !beer asg |
| 18:57.34 | greycat | Nwallins: WHAT service? |
| 18:57.37 | FieldySnuts | just stop them from starting... |
| 18:57.41 | abrotman | asg: need more? |
| 18:57.42 | KirbyMeister | My 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel image is not loading |
| 18:57.43 | simonrvn | @beer asg |
| 18:57.44 | asg | abrotman: heh, no |
| 18:57.50 | FieldySnuts | @vague KirbyMeister |
| 18:57.51 | Nwallins | portmap, famd rpc.statd |
| 18:57.56 | abrotman | simonrvn: ravenbird is on the wagon :) |
| 18:58.12 | simonrvn | so it would seem |
| 18:58.19 | chealer9 | just when I was wondering if I should submit a wishlist bug, I discover apt-show-versions. is there anything wrong with debian? :) |
| 18:58.22 | Nwallins | smtp rpcbind omserv rpasswd (according to nmap) |
| 18:58.24 | KirbyMeister | All kernel images, boot loaders etc. are stored on a 60MB ext2 partition on the beginning of the drive |
| 18:58.31 | KirbyMeister | I double-fsck'd it |
| 18:58.32 | FieldySnuts | i think portmap is a dep of famd, so stop famd, stop portmap, erradicate rpc.* |
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| 18:58.44 | Nwallins | auth (on 113) appears to be inetd? |
| 18:58.50 | FieldySnuts | Nwallins: yes but did you find out what's actually using those ports with netstat -anp | grep :port |
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| 18:58.56 | FieldySnuts | that'll answer yer question |
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| 18:59.02 | KirbyMeister | However I still cannot get the kernel image to load |
| 18:59.15 | FieldySnuts | wankle |
| 18:59.18 | Nwallins | netstat has different names than nmap for the port service |
| 18:59.20 | |inc|fre| | hi, is there any good standard firewall for debian? |
| 18:59.33 | asg | |inc|fre|: iptables? ipchains? |
| 18:59.43 | simonrvn | Nwallins: use /etc/services as a reference |
| 18:59.46 | abrotman | ipchains? |
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| 18:59.51 | asg | abrotman: for 2.2.x kernels |
| 18:59.57 | abrotman | asg: i know .. but jeez :) |
| 19:00.05 | asg | abrotman: at least I didn't say ipfwadm |
| 19:00.07 | abrotman | asg: that should be iptables .. or upgrade :) |
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| 19:00.22 | chealer9 | KirbyMeister: is it safer to have /boot as ext2? |
| 19:00.35 | KirbyMeister | chealer9: /boot is a seperate partition |
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| 19:00.52 | KirbyMeister | chealer9: It's an ext2 since it's only 60MB |
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| 19:01.05 | Nwallins | i've got 22(ssh) as a keeper, and 25(smtp) 111(rpcbind) 113(auth) 764(omserv) 774(rpasswd) as services that I don't (think I) want |
| 19:01.16 | greycat | Nwallins: take them one by one. |
| 19:01.18 | chealer9 | KirbyMeister: but did you choose ext2 because it's supposed to be better for /boot ? |
| 19:01.31 | Nwallins | `stop` them? whatabout next startup? |
| 19:01.33 | greycat | 764 and 774 are almost certainly RANDOMIZED RPC SERVICES, which almost certainly ACTUALLY come from running NFS. |
| 19:01.44 | elirips | where can i find out what the dns servers are that i am currently using? |
| 19:01.50 | netwind | hi guys, i just migrate to sarge from redhat, what are diffrence between edquota and quota programs ? i can check qouta settings via edquota but can't via simpe quota ! |
| 19:01.53 | greycat | 113 means you installed one of the identd packages. Remove that. |
| 19:01.58 | greycat | 111 is portmap, which is required for NFS. |
| 19:01.59 | simonrvn | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:02.12 | appaji | elirips: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:02.13 | greycat | 25 is your MTA. You can tell most MTAs to listen on JUST 127.0.0.1, or to not listen at all. |
| 19:02.16 | KirbyMeister | chealer9: I chose ext2 because reiserfs has too much overhead |
| 19:02.20 | elirips | appaji: thanks. |
| 19:02.24 | greycat | Nwallins: if you don't want it remove it |
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| 19:02.55 | dub | is there an email address you can send a complaint to regarding the operation of a debian ftp site? |
| 19:03.29 | chealer9 | KirbyMeister: ah, reiserfs...I see now :) |
| 19:03.31 | appaji | dub: raise a bug using reportbug. |
| 19:03.35 | greycat | dub: you can file a bug against it in reportbug |
| 19:03.41 | dvs | really? |
| 19:03.54 | simonrvn | virtual package |
| 19:03.55 | jelly | what's the package name for a particular ftp site? |
| 19:03.57 | appaji | dub: and use other, when it asks for a package name. |
| 19:04.03 | KirbyMeister | chealer9: the reiserfs journal is 32MB, which is half the partition |
| 19:04.13 | appaji | jelly: which ftp site? |
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| 19:04.50 | jelly | appaji: um, ask dub |
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| 19:05.19 | simonrvn | nothing worse than a spammer than an incompetent one. the only thing better about incompetent ones is that the mail doesn't even get through ;) |
| 19:05.39 | hogballs | !dpkg Threaded Open Sound System |
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| 19:06.18 | Flimzy | dub: Is it an official Debian mirror? |
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| 19:06.34 | dub | Flimzy, yes. ftp.nz.debian.org |
| 19:06.51 | Flimzy | dub: what's the problem with it? |
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| 19:07.30 | dub | its only accessable to people connected to the peering exchange run buy the people who run it (the ftp server) |
| 19:07.45 | KirbyMeister | so... |
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| 19:07.50 | simonrvn | dvs: just a CNAME for ftp.debian.org. expect it to be slow at certain times. i use this "deb ftp://debian.mirror.cygnal.ca/debian/ sarge main" |
| 19:07.56 | dub | so, that doesnt include the majority of nz debian users |
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| 19:08.10 | KirbyMeister | I need a replacement vmlinuz-2.6.8-1-k7 |
| 19:08.24 | simonrvn | dub: wtf? their routing is fucked |
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| 19:08.33 | dub | simonrvn, no its a policy |
| 19:08.33 | Flimzy | dub: heh... does indeed sound like a problem. I'd do what they suggested above... use reportbug |
| 19:08.33 | RichiH | KirbyMeister: then apt-get yourself one |
| 19:08.36 | chealer9 | KirbyMeister: can't you use 2.6.8-2? |
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| 19:08.50 | simonrvn | dub: what? still fucked IMO ;) |
| 19:08.50 | directhex | he SHOULD use 2.6.8-2, there's security things in it |
| 19:09.15 | Nwallins | great help fellas.. apt-get remove portmap nfs-common pidentd got it down to 22 and 25. I think i can live with SMTP open. I may configure mail one day |
| 19:09.57 | dub | check flood, what happens when you connect (you can probably repoduce it) |
| 19:10.15 | simonrvn | um |
| 19:10.19 | FieldySnuts | don't leave any service running and accessible to the outside world that you aren't using, increases the chance of being exploited if something is found wrong with it |
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| 19:10.24 | simonrvn | um |
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| 19:10.56 | Nwallins | apt-get remove exim4? |
| 19:11.01 | dub | WIX being the wellington internet exchange |
| 19:11.35 | simonrvn | oh fuck |
| 19:11.38 | inc|freaky | i luv debian :D |
| 19:11.46 | dvs | !kiss debian |
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| 19:13.14 | greycat | dpkg, no, fuck $1 is <action> fucks $1 ((gently|roughly|vigorously), |)like a (porn star|(crazed |)(weasel|badger|bunny)(| in heat))(, from behind| with a ((glass |pink |rubber |giant |)dildo|(Hitachi |)vibrator))(|, and comes (softly|loudly)) |
| 19:13.14 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
| 19:13.50 | stew | !fuck greycat |
| 19:13.58 | Nwallins | !fuck himself |
| 19:14.02 | greycat | hah |
| 19:14.07 | dub | comes? |
| 19:14.10 | Biovore | oO |
| 19:14.11 | Biovore | lol |
| 19:14.13 | inc|freaky | is dpkg an eggdrop? |
| 19:14.18 | stew | !what are you |
| 19:14.19 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 19:14.19 | greycat | inc|freaky: no, a blootbot. |
| 19:14.27 | inc|freaky | what is a blootbot? |
| 19:14.32 | JoshH | cool bots |
| 19:14.33 | stew | inc|freaky: /msg dpkg blootbot |
| 19:14.34 | greycat | For more info see <blootbot>. |
| 19:14.34 | chealer9 | a bloated bot |
| 19:14.46 | simonrvn | dub: that explains it. it's cheaper to go through an interchange, 'cause that shit gets centralised (also more vulnerable in some respects, but let's not go there right now) |
| 19:15.46 | appaji | :s/there/there is/g |
| 19:15.50 | simonrvn | dub: still sucks though. i blame the privatisation by the NSF (? the national science foundation there) (u.s. org.) back in '96, at least in part |
| 19:15.50 | inc|freaky | is a blootbot that hard to configure ? thats a pitty id like to have one, too ;p |
| 19:16.02 | dub | simonrvn, I understand their policy and agree with it to a certain extent but it doesnt change problem that ftp.nz.debian.org is next to useless |
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| 19:16.15 | simonrvn | dub: exactly |
| 19:16.32 | inc|freaky | but i dont know any perl ... would that be a problem when i want to run a blootbot? |
| 19:16.37 | greycat | I'll leave ravenbird with the previous definition of "fuck $1". |
| 19:16.42 | greycat | Variety's good. |
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| 19:17.32 | simonrvn | heh, nice |
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| 19:18.03 | Evaso | anybody know how to set apt preferences to follow the wine repository on sourceforge? |
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| 19:18.19 | simonrvn | edit sources.list |
| 19:18.48 | chealer9 | simonrvn: what do you mean by saying that ftp.ca.debian.org is a CNAME for ftp.debian.org ? |
| 19:18.54 | Evaso | simonrvn: i had already added sources.list i want to override testing unstable version with sourceforge |
| 19:18.59 | simonrvn | chealer9: it is. check the DNS |
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| 19:19.20 | chealer9 | simonrvn: well I should have asked rather, what means a cname? |
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| 19:19.25 | simonrvn | ftp.ca.debian.org. 3600 IN CNAME ftp.debian.org. |
| 19:19.36 | simonrvn | common name. an alias basically |
| 19:19.47 | JoshH | canonical name. :P |
| 19:19.57 | simonrvn | yeh. right. thanks :) |
| 19:20.14 | FieldySnuts | cannocial |
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| 19:20.28 | greycat | !spellingsmite FieldySnuts |
| 19:20.34 | greycat | Harumph. |
| 19:20.41 | FieldySnuts | @irritate greenfly |
| 19:20.42 | JoshH | speaking of mirrors though... anyone else having issues with ftp.us.debian.org (at kernel.org) i believe being weird? |
| 19:20.42 | FieldySnuts | er |
| 19:20.43 | ravenbird | greenfly: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd ???/ |
| 19:20.49 | simonrvn | should name it spelingsmite ;) |
| 19:20.52 | FieldySnuts | greenfly: wrong person |
| 19:20.55 | greenfly | heh thanks |
| 19:21.07 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: irritate greycat |
| 19:21.09 | ravenbird | greycat: HELP ME!!! who uses dvd thx |
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| 19:21.17 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: literal irritate? |
| 19:21.19 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 19:21.19 | ravenbird | FieldySnuts: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 19:21.34 | simonrvn | literal cmd: irritate (.*?) |
| 19:21.34 | JoshH | half the time i apt-get update from it it says closing connection |
| 19:21.52 | chealer9 | I checked the Jargon file, but according to what I read I understand that ftp.debian.org would be the CNAME for ftp.ca.debian.org. unless you mean that to main ftp server is in CA? |
| 19:21.55 | greycat | so use http.us.debian.org |
| 19:22.12 | chealer9 | s/that to/that the |
| 19:22.15 | JoshH | actually, i should just do that |
| 19:22.19 | JoshH | why not |
| 19:22.24 | simonrvn | chealer9: ftp.ca.d.o is just another name for ftp.d.o |
| 19:22.31 | greycat | chealer9: "a IN CNAME b" means "a is an alias for b", or more formally, "the canonical name for a is b" |
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| 19:23.24 | greycat | likewise, "a in MX 10 b" means "the mail exchanger for a is b, with priority 10" |
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| 19:24.02 | chealer9 | greycat: thanks I understand now. I didn't see him say "IN" CNAME so I didn't understand the nuance |
| 19:24.05 | FieldySnuts | anyone else who's running an MTA finding that anything to yahoo is timing out (no connection ever made) |
| 19:24.13 | greycat | chealer9: 14:19 simonrvn> ftp.ca.debian.org. 3600 IN CNAME ftp.debian.org. |
| 19:24.33 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: I'll check my logs |
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| 19:25.17 | greycat | I haven't sent any mail to yahoo lately... |
| 19:25.21 | FieldySnuts | mx1.mail.yahoo.com [67.28.113.10]: Connection timed out |
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| 19:25.35 | simonrvn | mx1. *always* times out for me |
| 19:25.36 | greycat | FieldySnuts: I can telnet to it from here (25). |
| 19:25.41 | greycat | 220 YSmtp mta106.mail.re2.yahoo.com ESMTP service ready |
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| 19:26.07 | simonrvn | ok not this time |
| 19:26.21 | simonrvn | Connected to mta-v4.level3.mail.yahoo.com. |
| 19:26.35 | FieldySnuts | connections to all of their mx's are timing out for me, mx{1,2,3,4}.mail.yahoo.com |
| 19:26.45 | greycat | interesting.... mx1.mail.yahoo.com is a round robin. |
| 19:27.16 | chealer9 | greycat: next step was trying to find what generated that output so I could get a clue. I don't find quickly, I guess you have an idea? |
| 19:27.28 | greycat | chealer9: dig, host |
| 19:27.40 | simonrvn | dnsutils |
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| 19:27.48 | greycat | !dig |
| 19:27.48 | dpkg | dig is, like, part of dnsutils, or use host(1) (in the same package) for less detail |
| 19:28.01 | FieldySnuts | seems all of their mx's are dropping port 25 connects from me, only at home |
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| 19:28.14 | chealer9 | aha, I didn't use dig in a long time, like when I was trying every system command :) thanks |
| 19:28.18 | greycat | FieldySnuts: sure it's not your ISP? |
| 19:28.19 | stew | FieldySnuts: are you sure its not your isp? |
| 19:28.20 | FieldySnuts | better not be. business line. |
| 19:28.33 | greycat | FieldySnuts: can you reach port 25 on other MXes? |
| 19:28.36 | FieldySnuts | yep |
| 19:28.42 | FieldySnuts | i'm aware of how to figure it out ;P |
| 19:28.51 | simonrvn | heh |
| 19:28.53 | stew | FieldySnuts: do you have your ips reverse mapped correctly? |
| 19:29.01 | greycat | stew: that wouldn't cause a timeout. |
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| 19:29.10 | greycat | that would cause the connection to be dropped after establishment |
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| 19:29.32 | stew | greycat: who's to say they wouldn't ignore you connection attempts in the first place? |
| 19:29.36 | Vladi | hi is Option "RenderAccel" "1" |
| 19:29.41 | Vladi | only for nvidia cards |
| 19:30.08 | FieldySnuts | the situation is changing ; at first I could connect to any other mx, now I can't |
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| 19:30.20 | FieldySnuts | now I suspect my isp. it better fucking not be, i'm paying quite a lot for a business line |
| 19:30.25 | greycat | stew: they'd have to *accept* the connection in order to let some userspace application do the lookups and then decide to drop it. |
| 19:30.26 | FieldySnuts | specifically to run servers |
| 19:30.51 | stew | hmm |
| 19:30.58 | greycat | FieldySnuts: hping2 can do TCP "traceroutes". |
| 19:31.24 | greycat | plus it has a way-cool short description. |
| 19:31.27 | FieldySnuts | well i'm at work, don't have time to deal with this. but if it's my isp i'll be screaming murder |
| 19:31.47 | chealer9 | Vladi: you could ask #nvidia |
| 19:31.52 | paulswm | Ddraig16 |
| 19:33.12 | FieldySnuts | oh well at least mail is coming in. i'll figure it out later |
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| 19:34.43 | chealer9 | I'm curious, why does # apt-show-versions -ub |
| 19:34.43 | chealer9 | Unknown option: ub |
| 19:34.43 | chealer9 | so you have to use apt-show-version -u -b ? |
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| 19:35.22 | RichiH | chealer9: good question, i would probably file a bug |
| 19:35.24 | greycat | file a bug report. |
| 19:35.36 | LinuxMafia | hi chealer9 |
| 19:35.45 | chealer9 | LinuxMafia: hi |
| 19:36.09 | stew | in fact yahoo doesn't even seem to care if my reverse map is setup correctly |
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| 19:36.31 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: now i have the mpg file , i dont know how to make a vcd from it |
| 19:36.40 | chealer9 | I'm wondering if I should really, because this comes from the APT howto...they would certainly be geek enough to recommend apt-show-versions -ub if they knew that worked |
| 19:37.10 | FieldySnuts | stew: I have no reverse (they won't provide one), i have never had problems until today |
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| 19:37.48 | chealer9 | LinuxMafia: hey don't ask me, I experimented if I could read DVDs under linux in the last month so I was trying to help you but I'm no expert yet :) |
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| 19:37.55 | stew | FieldySnuts: yeah i just tested and thats not the problem, but that would be a problem with some servers |
| 19:38.06 | Flimzy | I'm attempting to burn a DVD for the first time using dvdrecord. My commandline looks like 'dvdrecord -v -dao dev=/dev/hde test.dvd.iso'. dvdrecord goes thru the 10-second count-down, then immediately aborts and says "cannot open new session". My media is a DVD+RW. What's the problem here? |
| 19:38.11 | FieldySnuts | some yes, in which case i get bounces |
| 19:38.15 | FieldySnuts | i know the drill heh |
| 19:38.25 | tiorober | \join #meeting |
| 19:38.29 | LinuxMafia | chealer9: thanks no problem :D |
| 19:38.38 | FieldySnuts | i'm getting about 4 lines per second in my logs from spammers trying to use my server, fucking wankers, I can't even see the damn errors i'm looking for |
| 19:38.39 | miyo | chealer9: It is because apt-show-version is using Getopt::Long without "bundling" |
| 19:38.42 | greycat | Flimzy: do you happen to *know* that dvdrecord supports DVD+? |
| 19:38.48 | FieldySnuts | god I wish i could charge those bastards money for using my connection |
| 19:39.03 | miyo | chealer9: So it is a feature, not a bug =) |
| 19:39.06 | Flimzy | greenfly: Yes |
| 19:39.06 | Flimzy | blah |
| 19:39.06 | Flimzy | greycat: yes |
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| 19:39.17 | bucky | !spam FieldySnuts |
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| 19:39.38 | Flimzy | greycat: It's a brand new dual-mode, dual-layer drive. It should support (nearly) anything I can throw at it. But I do know specifically that it can support both - and + media |
| 19:39.54 | FieldySnuts | mroons |
| 19:39.56 | FieldySnuts | morons. |
| 19:40.03 | Flimzy | greycat: oh... dvdrecord... uh, no. |
| 19:40.05 | greycat | Flimzy: that's the *drive*.... are you sure you have the right *software*? |
| 19:40.23 | Flimzy | greycat: the software... I don't know. the man page doesn't say. |
| 19:40.30 | FieldySnuts | i'm tempted to drop 81.0.0.0/8 and 83.0.0.0/8 , screw em |
| 19:40.31 | greycat | Flimzy: as I wrote in the FAQ, you basically have two choices: cdrecord-ProDVD or growisofs/dvd+rw-tools |
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| 19:40.43 | FieldySnuts | the second option works fine, i use that |
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| 19:40.56 | chealer9 | miyo: thanks. what does stuff like Getopt::Long (with the "::") means? |
| 19:41.16 | miyo | chealer9: It is Perl module, Getopt::Long |
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| 19:41.33 | miyo | chealer9: try 'perldoc Getopt::Long' |
| 19:41.34 | Flimzy | greycat: and cdrecord-ProDVD is that silly patch that requires occasional updates to keys and whatnot, right? |
| 19:41.47 | greycat | cdrecord-prodvd is non-free no-source-available software by Joerg, who's a hardcore Unix/SCSI fan, which started out just supporting DVD- (he hates DVD+), and which works great on ANYTHING that's not shit (e.g. not Linux 2.6.8). It recently started supporting DVD+. |
| 19:41.59 | miyo | chealer9: Without bundling you can use --flag with -flag. |
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| 19:42.10 | miyo | chealer9: If bundling is enabled then -flag means -f -l -a -g |
| 19:42.24 | greycat | dvd+rw-tools is a Linux-only hack that only started out supporting DVD+, but which now supports some DVD-. It also may support a FEW non-linux boxes, but certainly not HP-UX 10, which makes it totally useless for me. |
| 19:42.56 | abrotman | greycat: are you trying to tell dpkg ? |
| 19:42.59 | greycat | dvd+rw-tools has the advantage of being Free, though. |
| 19:43.05 | greycat | abrotman: no, the channel at large. |
| 19:43.06 | abrotman | since there is no dvdrwtools factoid :) |
| 19:43.08 | chealer9 | ah, thanks. I thought this only applied to PHP/PEAR :) |
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| 19:43.37 | tr00st | I'm so tempted to paste a link in here =( |
| 19:43.39 | Flimzy | greycat: Okay, I'll look into dvd+rw-tools then. |
| 19:43.43 | Flimzy | greycat: thanks for the info |
| 19:43.44 | Willbian | hey... is there a debian install cd stable.. that has openmosix pathc built in already? |
| 19:43.46 | tr00st | But it's a help channel, so I won't =| |
| 19:43.55 | greycat | tr00st: is it a helpful link? |
| 19:43.57 | Flimzy | greycat: (and in the future, perhaps I'll purchase - media) |
| 19:44.03 | tr00st | greycat, no =( |
| 19:44.11 | tr00st | greycat, it's a goatsed link =( |
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| 19:44.37 | greycat | is that anything like sheepawk? |
| 19:44.45 | stew | heh |
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| 19:46.49 | tr00st | greycat, O_o |
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| 19:47.03 | Flimzy | greycat: Can you tell me, for future reference, if I'm attempting to burn a "mini DVD" (DVD FS on CD media), can I use standard CD burning software (a la cdrecord, cdrdao, etc)? |
| 19:47.34 | zrizer | Flimzy: yes. |
| 19:48.11 | Flimzy | zrizer: Have you created such disks before with any success? |
| 19:48.16 | zrizer | No. |
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| 19:48.33 | Flimzy | zrizer: hehe, ok |
| 19:48.38 | zrizer | I'm not sure why you're creating a "dvd fs" on a cd, though. |
| 19:48.40 | elirips | can someone just tell me by heart how i can force dhcpd to only listen on one ethernet card, not on both? |
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| 19:48.45 | zrizer | But to burn DVDs, you use cdrecord. |
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| 19:49.01 | zrizer | elirips: man interfaces |
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| 19:49.40 | elirips | zrizer: you sure? wouldn't that be something in /etc/dhcpd.conf? |
| 19:49.47 | Flimzy | zrizer: You must be using cdrecord-ProDVD? |
| 19:49.51 | PerfDave | elirips: If I wanted to tell you that, I'd read "man dhcpd.conf", and I don't have that handy so you'll have to do it yourself ;) |
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| 19:50.21 | elirips | PerfDave: okay... i'm going to read it myself... i know i am lazy.. sorry.. |
| 19:50.38 | elirips | just thought *maybe* someone has done that right now and still knows it, |
| 19:50.40 | Flimzy | elirips: Actually, I'm not sure that it is in the dhcpd.conf (it may depend on the version of your dhcpd, too) |
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| 19:50.49 | Flimzy | elirips: I think it's a comamnd-line option which eth's to listen on. |
| 19:51.20 | elirips | Flimzy: thanks. it is indeed a cmd-line-option. |
| 19:51.49 | Flimzy | elirips: /etc/defaults/dhcp3-server |
| 19:52.51 | Flimzy | elirips: Under normal circumstanses, I would have joined PerfDave and others in telling you to RTFM... but in this rare case, I remembered that the man page they were telling you to read is probably irrelevant since that setting (oddly) isn't in the conf file (where I think it should be) |
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| 19:53.50 | PerfDave | Flimzy: See, I didn't have the manpage handy, once I saw that there was no interface option in the config file manpage, I'd've looked at the executable manpage ;) |
| 19:54.07 | elirips | Flimzy: i understand you guys get upset if you get the same question every day a dozen of times... but on the other hand.. you saved me quite some time with just the line /etc/defaults/dhcp.. so thank you very much :) |
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| 19:55.16 | Flimzy | PerfDave: indeed |
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| 19:55.48 | Flimzy | elirips: Also note that my goal here is twofold... 1) to learn, 2) to teach. "Saving ppl time" doesn't land in the picture most of the time. |
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| 19:56.18 | PerfDave | Flimzy: *om* ;) |
| 19:56.26 | leonel | Have anyone seen Sarge ? Sarge Where Are YOU ? Come out Come out wherever you are ! |
| 19:56.27 | MegaByte | Does anyone know how do I change my emu10k1 card to 2 speaker mode? |
| 19:56.49 | MiddleTex | the apt in experimental supports checking the gpg signature of the archive |
| 19:57.12 | MegaByte | Hey? |
| 19:57.12 | MiddleTex | but I'm not sure where to get the archive sig and/or where to put it so apt can find it |
| 19:57.38 | MiddleTex | Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY F1D53D8C4F368D5D |
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| 19:58.01 | Flimzy | Hmm... my DVD burning went thru, then exited with 2 errors, and now I can't open the DVD drive |
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| 19:58.12 | PerfDave | MiddleTex: You can probably download it from the GPG keyserver network, but then you won't be able to trust it ;) |
| 19:58.12 | greycat | I doubt anyone here is going to help you with experimental. |
| 19:58.16 | Peto77 | i downloaded debootstrap, but i still dont understand, how would i use the new system without chrooting |
| 19:58.30 | dancek | eDitor seems to be a spambot, I think it should be kickbanned |
| 19:58.49 | greycat | Peto77: you install it on a mounted file system, then you unmount it, then make that the root file system. etc. |
| 19:58.52 | MiddleTex | anyone here have it, maybe get it from two different sources |
| 19:59.12 | PerfDave | MiddleTex: Because that's trustworthy... |
| 19:59.15 | MiddleTex | both debian developers who sign it |
| 19:59.22 | MiddleTex | ;) |
| 19:59.22 | PerfDave | MiddleTex: You are failing to understand how GPG works. |
| 19:59.22 | MegaByte | Does anyone know how do I change my emu10k1 card to 2 speaker mode? |
| 19:59.25 | greycat | Flimzy: make sure nothing has the device opened, and/or try "eject" |
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| 19:59.54 | greycat | !tell MegaByte about repeat |
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| 20:00.07 | MiddleTex | someone has the public key for the archive, but I have to find someone I trust who trusts someone who has has trusted etc etc all the way to the archive key |
| 20:00.14 | Peto77 | graycat: and it seems, that with debootstrap i have to install almost everything manualy, can that be fixed? |
| 20:00.40 | Flimzy | greycat: I tried, but eject doesn't work. says "eject: unable to eject, last error: Invalid argument" |
| 20:00.47 | greycat | Peto77: "almost everything" being the base system? |
| 20:00.54 | greycat | Flimzy: as root? |
| 20:00.57 | MiddleTex | PerfDave: so say I've got a buddy I know in person who a debian developer |
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| 20:01.30 | PerfDave | MiddleTex: If you can establish a chain of trust to the Debian package archive key, that's ideal. |
| 20:01.41 | Peto77 | greycat: packages and configuration |
| 20:01.42 | MiddleTex | PerfDave: they would have to have met and signed with someone who has met the guy who generated it? |
| 20:01.50 | greycat | Peto77: WHAT packages and WHAT configuration? |
| 20:01.51 | Flimzy | greenfly: My user has full permission to my CD/DVD drives... but yes, as root and as user. |
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| 20:01.58 | PerfDave | MiddleTex: http://www.gnupg.org/ will answer your questions better than I can. |
| 20:02.05 | greycat | Flimzy: dunno then. check 'dmesg' for errors, etc. |
| 20:02.41 | Flimzy | greenfly: nothing useful there. |
| 20:02.49 | Flimzy | I think for now I will probably get to reboot to unlock my drive. |
| 20:02.54 | MiddleTex | PerfDave: I'll see if I can find it on the public gpg servers |
| 20:03.07 | MiddleTex | just for testing |
| 20:03.10 | greycat | Flimzy: you're not running GNOME by any chance...? |
| 20:03.20 | Peto77 | greycat: right, i missed a line in man. dselect is there, i'm sorry |
| 20:03.28 | greycat | Flimzy: I've seen GNOME automatically mount inserted media, even if it's someone else's desktop that's not on the screen at the time |
| 20:03.31 | MiddleTex | and figure out who I need to get to know in the chain |
| 20:03.37 | Flimzy | greycat: KDE. |
| 20:03.42 | greycat | maybe kde does it too. |
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| 20:04.09 | BrutusLinux | I can't get my sound card to work ....will this one work? --->http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3182248&cat=4466&type=19&dept=101831&path=0%3A101831%3A101837%3A163385%3A4466 |
| 20:04.37 | PerfDave | Stupid fucking URLS |
| 20:04.54 | greycat | wouldn't just the product ID be sufficient? |
| 20:04.54 | Flimzy | greycat: Does ":-( unable to TEST UNIT READY: Input/Output error" or ":-( unable to SYNCHRONOUS FLUSH CACHE: Input/output error" mean anything to you? That's what growisofs exited with after it wrote the data and was doing the (guessing) DVD equivolent to fixating. |
| 20:05.03 | greycat | or do they use the same product ID in different departments? |
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| 20:05.35 | airox | Hi, I'm getting spammed with porn by eDitor |
| 20:05.36 | airox | :S |
| 20:05.36 | xenoduck | http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.gsp?product_id=3182248 |
| 20:05.42 | xenoduck | yay |
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| 20:05.45 | PerfDave | airox: Tell #freenode ? |
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| 20:06.03 | airox | I guess greycat has noticed it :-) |
| 20:06.09 | greycat | didn't I ban ttnet? like, twice? |
| 20:06.13 | airox | thanks :-) |
| 20:06.16 | greycat | airox: no, I noticed the user who complained. |
| 20:06.21 | PerfDave | airox: A ban from a channel is not the same as a kline ;) |
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| 20:06.55 | airox | hi mldebondt :-) |
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| 20:07.56 | Flimzy | *sigh* rebooting. brb |
| 20:08.06 | nvz | well we got that pc for $100, was an HP had like Athlon XP 2000+, about 128MB ram, 60GB HD, 16" monitor, keyboard, mouse speakers, and a brother printer/scanner/fax thing |
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| 20:08.23 | hellman | having some trouble too install sarge on my main computer .. i have no eth connection and i get this when ping a www adress > NETDEV Watchdog: eth0 :transmit timed out |
| 20:08.23 | nvz | I am gonna have to start a website selling pcs :P |
| 20:08.33 | nvz | I got too many |
| 20:08.49 | greycat | hellman: what NIC is it? |
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| 20:09.19 | hellman | onboard lan epox 8rda+ |
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| 20:09.31 | SocketERR | hi, is it possible to use the postfix-mysql package with mysql-4.1 instead of mysql-4.0? |
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| 20:09.40 | nvz | M$ is breeding consumer zombies that make it easy to obtain computer equipment for next to nothing |
| 20:09.50 | abrotman | SocketERR: are you mixing sources? |
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| 20:09.57 | nvz | I've about got this technology scavengering down to an art |
| 20:10.00 | abrotman | or did you compile mysql ? |
| 20:10.05 | uraclea_laptop | what exactly does #flood do? |
| 20:10.09 | abrotman | nvz: scavenging :) |
| 20:10.09 | greycat | hellman: I don't know anything about that one. Did you try both 2.4 and 2.6 kernels? |
| 20:10.13 | PerfDave | uraclea_laptop: It's an IRC channel. |
| 20:10.21 | hellman | installed 2.6 |
| 20:10.22 | abrotman | uraclea_laptop: join it and see |
| 20:10.26 | nvz | abrotman: thats why I created the yinzersmite |
| 20:10.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 20:10.33 | nvz | abrotman: use it wisely |
| 20:10.38 | abrotman | !yinzersmite nvz |
| 20:10.46 | abrotman | nvz: i think you need to add a few more |
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| 20:11.23 | nvz | abrotman: yeah.. there are 4 right now.. I need to think of more yinzer terms.. I was trying not to use any proper english.. and its hard to think of a smite entirely in slang |
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| 20:11.39 | SocketERR | abrotman: i use mysql-4.1 as server but the postfix-mysql package is linked aganist the old libmysql-client-4.0, and now my postfix cannot connect to the 4.1er mysql server |
| 20:11.59 | abrotman | SocketERR: is one not debian ? |
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| 20:12.49 | SocketERR | abrotman: yes, the server is builded from source |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | SocketERR: well .. whose fault is that? |
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| 20:13.18 | abrotman | SocketERR: sounds like you'd have to recompile everything .. why can't you just use a real database? |
| 20:13.21 | abrotman | err .. |
| 20:13.29 | abrotman | one that you didn't compile yourself :) |
| 20:13.46 | nvz | learning the importance of the packaging system and the consequences of breaking it :P |
| 20:13.47 | abrotman | besides mysql being a bag of $1 prizes |
| 20:13.54 | nvz | heh |
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| 20:14.21 | jhaltom | My /var/lib/dpkg/available file is corrupt. =/ Anyway to recreate it? |
| 20:14.33 | abrotman | from the backup ? |
| 20:14.34 | greycat | piratebay is weird. they have like 90% of everything in swedish (including the body of the confirmation-activation mail), but the "Subject:" line of the mail is English. |
| 20:14.40 | nvz | yeah the guy had 3 other pcs but I didnt bother taking them, because I already got more pcs than I know what to do with |
| 20:14.43 | jhaltom | i just got the system installed, no time for backup |
| 20:14.47 | nvz | I am going to have to devise a plan |
| 20:14.57 | SocketERR | abrotman: i need the newer version for a thirdparty software |
| 20:15.05 | abrotman | jhaltom: available-old |
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| 20:15.19 | jhaltom | ahh awesome |
| 20:15.21 | abrotman | SocketERR: isn't 4.1 in sarge? |
| 20:15.26 | abrotman | !info mysql-server sarge |
| 20:15.38 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.23-4 (sarge), Packaged size: 3555 kB, Installed size: 8600 kB |
| 20:15.43 | abrotman | oh dear lord |
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| 20:16.11 | greycat | !find mysql-serve sarge |
| 20:16.12 | dpkg | Debian Package Listing of 'mysql-serve' (2 shown): mysql-server ;; mysql-server-4.1. |
| 20:16.16 | SocketERR | abrotman: right, 4.1 is in sarge but postfix-mysql in sarge needs 4.0 from sarge :-( |
| 20:16.20 | nvz | it says I should only use ronson multi-fuel in this torch, but fauk em I am using lighten universal butane gas |
| 20:16.42 | abrotman | SocketERR: actually .. mysql in sarge is 4.0 |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | !info mysql-server sid |
| 20:16.48 | hecor | entering a dangeon? |
| 20:16.52 | dpkg | mysql-server: (mysql database server binaries), section misc, is optional. Version: 4.0.23-7 (sid), Packaged size: 3555 kB, Installed size: 8600 kB |
| 20:16.54 | greycat | abrotman: there are both. see above. |
| 20:17.02 | abrotman | greycat: oh |
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| 20:17.13 | abrotman | !find postfix-mysql |
| 20:17.18 | dpkg | postfix-mysql: (MYSQL map support for Postfix), section mail, is extra. Version: 2.1.5-6 (sid), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
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| 20:17.26 | abrotman | SocketERR: you could file a bug? |
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| 20:18.08 | abrotman | or not use mysql .. that would be the sanest thing to do :) |
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| 20:18.19 | karamelos | gdm does not remember my last logged environment and it does not ask me for a default one anymore. how can I fix this? |
| 20:18.23 | SocketERR | abrotman: hmm, i will install a second mysql server on different ip. i think that the easiesd way :-( |
| 20:18.36 | nvz | karamelos: configure gdm maybe |
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| 20:18.45 | dwu | what packages do i have to install go get php on the cmd line? |
| 20:18.46 | abrotman | SocketERR: or install a second .. and see if you can get it in a different directory and a different port ? |
| 20:18.52 | abrotman | dwu: php4-cgi |
| 20:18.56 | dwu | okay thanks! |
| 20:19.03 | karamelos | nvz, gdmsetup does not set that kind of option. |
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| 20:19.05 | nsanity | is there any good docs on setting up exim4 for a workstation? |
| 20:19.28 | sepski | nsanity, why you want exim4 on a workstation ? |
| 20:19.46 | greycat | probably to get all the mail off to the relay. |
| 20:20.00 | nsanity | sepski: Well, I need to use php's mail() function. |
| 20:20.08 | sepski | then use nullmailer or similar smarthost only relayer |
| 20:20.08 | greycat | just tell it to send all mail to your relay/smarthost and you're basically done. |
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| 20:20.19 | nvz | karamelos: I am going to boot a vm and have a look, but what I use is the configure from the login screen *shrug* |
| 20:20.24 | nsanity | hrm, |
| 20:20.29 | nsanity | so remove exim4? |
| 20:20.38 | nvz | karamelos: I have a fresh sarge install with gnome in this vm, just got to wait for it to boot |
| 20:20.54 | SocketERR | abrotman: right. i'am trained in mysql-parallel-installations ;-) |
| 20:20.58 | karamelos | nvz, I am using sid. |
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| 20:21.20 | abrotman | SocketERR: is debian ? |
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| 20:21.25 | nvz | karamelos: did you upgrade recently, that maybe broke it or accidentally used a package maintatiners config file? |
| 20:21.30 | PerfDave | nsanity: Setting up exim4 for a workstation is easy. "dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config", either disable local mail entirely or relay all non-local mail, and put in your local SMTP server as a smarthost |
| 20:21.34 | sepski | nsanity, well i dont see the point of running exim4 only to send everything to a smarthost, but you _can_ use it sure |
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| 20:21.36 | dwu | is there a channel for djbdns related questions? |
| 20:21.43 | SocketERR | abrotman: yes |
| 20:21.51 | PerfDave | dwu: #crackware? ;) |
| 20:21.52 | abrotman | SocketERR: if you say so |
| 20:22.09 | karamelos | I did upgrade. when I noticed the issue, I purged and reinstalled xdm and dgm. |
| 20:22.10 | nsanity | sepski: well, exim4 was installed when I installed sarge |
| 20:22.34 | greycat | dwu: #djbdns surprisingly enough. |
| 20:22.45 | PerfDave | There's nothing wrong with exim4. Configuring exim4 to use a smarthost is easier than installing and configuring another MTA |
| 20:22.48 | greycat | dwu: some people in #qmail might also know the simpler stuff |
| 20:22.53 | dwu | greycat heh.. okay |
| 20:23.03 | dwu | three ppl |
| 20:23.09 | dwu | in #djbdns |
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| 20:23.16 | abrotman | dwu: guess why? |
| 20:23.24 | greycat | because it doesn't need any support :) |
| 20:23.28 | greycat | it Just Works. |
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| 20:23.31 | abrotman | right |
| 20:23.47 | greycat | or because this is "freenode" and it isn't Free as in GNU? |
| 20:23.56 | inc|freaky | where can i see what fonts are installed? |
| 20:24.01 | bucky | free as in FreeLoad |
| 20:24.08 | PerfDave | greycat: Neither are half the channels on here, are they? |
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| 20:24.59 | inc|freaky | greycat: where can i also see them? (not just a list) |
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| 20:25.20 | greycat | man -k font | grep ^x |
| 20:25.22 | dwu | well here is the thing. djbdns randomly stop responding to query. tcpdump sees the packet coming it. nmap with -sU -p53 show its open. but it doesnt respond dnsq soa "www.foobar.com" [server]" times out.. any clue? |
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| 20:25.30 | dwu | funny a reboot fixes it |
| 20:25.33 | abrotman | use bind |
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| 20:25.50 | greycat | dwu: did you try strace'ing it? |
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| 20:25.57 | jjazz | What package do I install to get vi? I tried apt-cache search, but vi is mentioned by a ton of packages. Anybody know? |
| 20:26.07 | greycat | jjazz: vim would be the most popular one. |
| 20:26.13 | nvz | jjazz: vim |
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| 20:26.36 | jjazz | thanks. I'll use it. |
| 20:26.36 | hallgeir | hi, i have installed amd64 on my box. but since i could not get the debian cd to work i installed ubuntu, what do i have to do now to change to debian? is i possible? |
| 20:26.40 | dwu | greycat hmm.. ill make sure i strace it next time it happens.. |
| 20:27.15 | abrotman | i don't think you can just jump in and strace .. |
| 20:27.26 | dwu | abrotman .. attach pid? |
| 20:27.37 | abrotman | dwu: if you say so .. dunno |
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| 20:27.50 | Peto77 | can you advise me, where sohould i install system with debootstrap? i've got 2 parttions: ext2(/) and fat32(/win). might be a silly question, but i still don'get it, sorry. |
| 20:27.53 | abrotman | never tried |
| 20:27.53 | greycat | abrotman: you *can*, but it might be too late... |
| 20:28.01 | MobyTurbo | jjazz: you already have nvi |
| 20:28.02 | sepski | hallgeir, |
| 20:28.19 | abrotman | greycat: never attempted it .. usually once it crashes .. it's too late and it's broken :) |
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| 20:28.38 | greycat | abrotman: if it's actually *crashing*, then his service-supervisor should be respawning it... |
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| 20:28.47 | abrotman | greycat: you wish :) |
| 20:28.51 | hallgeir | sepski: yes? |
| 20:28.57 | sepski | hallgeir, this will mostlikely crash and burn, but i would have tried editing the sources.list to become a regular sarge one, then apt-get upgrade then search for packages that are not in debian and replacing with debian counterparts |
| 20:28.57 | jjazz | MobyTurbo: thanks. |
| 20:28.59 | greycat | abrotman: the problem comes in when something gets "hung" instead of dying clenly. |
| 20:29.02 | greycat | cleanly* |
| 20:29.09 | MobyTurbo | np |
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| 20:29.20 | abrotman | hallgeir: it's not possible |
| 20:29.35 | sepski | hallgeir, but i guess i would have installed it directly to sarge using debbootstrap and not touch ubuntu at all, so this is just a wild guess |
| 20:29.36 | abrotman | hallgeir: you can never be sure it's 100% debian |
| 20:29.39 | sepski | and a dist-upgrade |
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| 20:29.48 | abrotman | hallgeir: ask #debian-amd64 why your install CD doesn't work |
| 20:29.56 | g3n0 | I currently have a debian stable box that I needed to manually install a newer version of perl on in order to use this paticullar application. i have met all of the applications dependencies but when apache starts the DBI module I installed is not found because @INC points to the lower version directories. is this because of the way apache and mod_perl were compiled? is there an environmental variable i can pass to point to the new lib directory so apache w |
| 20:29.59 | dwu | greycat yea i wonder how supervise could tell the differnce between a "freeze" and "normal operation" |
| 20:30.07 | greycat | dwu: it can't. |
| 20:30.15 | hallgeir | I was told by ferro that that was the methode he used.. |
| 20:30.19 | resiak | g3n0: Truncated at "lib directory so apache w". |
| 20:30.26 | sepski | g3n0, might find a newer perl on www.backports.org |
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| 20:30.32 | g3n0 | no newer perl there |
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| 20:30.47 | abrotman | apt-get.org ? |
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| 20:30.59 | g3n0 | resiak: lib directory so apache will find the module and run? |
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| 20:31.15 | g3n0 | 5.6.1 is in stable and i needed > 5.8 |
| 20:31.19 | PerfDave | g3n0: Where did you install perl? If you've overwritten your system perl, you may be fucked. |
| 20:31.31 | g3n0 | it installed into /usr/local/perl5/5.8.6 |
| 20:31.35 | g3n0 | 5.6.1 is still on the system |
| 20:31.51 | g3n0 | just for testing i changed /usr/bin/perl to a symlink point at 5.8.6's bin |
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| 20:31.54 | PerfDave | g3n0: Is Apache calling the right version of perl? |
| 20:32.02 | g3n0 | apache still wanted to find DBI.pm in the 5.6.1 directory |
| 20:32.07 | g3n0 | g3n0: i guess thats what i dont know |
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| 20:32.15 | g3n0 | if thats compiled into the binary |
| 20:32.16 | greycat | g3n0: why on earth didn't you just upgrade to sarge? |
| 20:32.17 | g3n0 | or if its a setting |
| 20:32.27 | dwu | greycat the weird thing is that svc -d /service/tinydns; svc -u /service/tinydns doesnt fix the problem |
| 20:32.29 | g3n0 | greycat: because the box is running a number of other things and is a production server |
| 20:32.32 | PerfDave | g3n0: How are you using perl from Apache? Just a CGI script? |
| 20:32.38 | greycat | g3n0: then you shouldn't be installing perl 5.8 on it! |
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| 20:32.52 | g3n0 | greycat: dont lecture me im not asking to be bitched at |
| 20:33.02 | greycat | fine, I can /ignore you. |
| 20:33.05 | g3n0 | thats fine |
| 20:33.22 | slackd00d | LoveBaby-and-Sti is a onjoin spammer |
| 20:33.26 | g3n0 | PerfDave: mod_perl is being called |
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| 20:33.29 | KirbyMeister | Okay, I'm busy fixing some kernel problems, and I cant find the initrd for 2.6.8-2-k7. To make matters worse, when attempting to copy the modules into a 2.6.8-1-k7 initrd, the system wont let me modify the initrd |
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| 20:33.48 | slackd00d | heh |
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| 20:34.16 | PerfDave | g3n0: Hmm, not sure about mod_perl. IIRC it has a compiled interpreter built into it, which may be 5.6. Or it may need configuration to load your custom-compiled Perl instead of the system one |
| 20:34.32 | KirbyMeister | oh crud. Now freenode is gonna get hit by pornmongers and 31337ist script kiddies |
| 20:34.34 | g3n0 | perfdave: at this point i might recompile mod_perl and apache |
| 20:34.36 | g3n0 | kind of sucks |
| 20:34.48 | PerfDave | g3n0: Go read the mod_perl documentation, see what you need to do. |
| 20:34.50 | g3n0 | i wanted to upgrade the box but im affraid of horde/imp breaking |
| 20:35.02 | PerfDave | g3n0: Recompiling stuff because you don't know what you're doing will only lead to heartache. |
| 20:35.04 | malex | Is there a preferred "Debian" way to run an additional sshd on a different port to prevent loss of connectivity to a remote server during ssh package upgrade? |
| 20:35.36 | greycat | malex: hm... probably not. just make another config file and run another sshd based on that config. |
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| 20:35.41 | g3n0 | PerfDave: i was only going to recompile it if I was right that the precompiled versions of mod perl were causing my problems which is why I came here :) |
| 20:35.42 | KirbyMeister | So, I cant load the new modules into a new initrd, can someone point me to where I can find a 2.6.8-2-k7 initrd, since I cant find one in the debian package list |
| 20:35.52 | PerfDave | malex: Upgrading the ssh package shouldn't cause loss of connectivity. |
| 20:35.52 | dondelelcaro | malex: during an ssh package upgrade, you won't (well, shouldn't) lose connectivity, because only the parent sshd is restarted. |
| 20:35.57 | g3n0 | PerfDave: couldnt find anything patticular to it after creating the makefile |
| 20:36.06 | abrotman | g3n0: the version of horde/imp in sarge is nearly identical iirc |
| 20:36.06 | sepski | KirbyMeister, you make them with mkinitrd i imagine |
| 20:36.15 | dondelelcaro | malex: however, before you *disconnect* you need to make sure that you can reconnect. |
| 20:36.19 | g3n0 | i seem to remember probelms upgrading the db a while back |
| 20:36.21 | malex | dondelelcaro: But if the sshd in the package version is broken I would.... right |
| 20:36.34 | abrotman | g3n0: however . if you're like me .. you've made some customizations that would be lost |
| 20:36.35 | malex | dondelelcaro: you were quicker :) |
| 20:36.42 | PerfDave | g3n0: Check the mod_perl documentation, see how to use a custom interpreter with it. If you can't do that, build the Debian mod_perl package from the Debian package source (read the APT HOWTO) and pin it. |
| 20:36.43 | KirbyMeister | sepski: thanks. |
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| 20:37.14 | abrotman | PerfDave: simple sid backport! |
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| 20:37.49 | malex | dondelelcaro: So, I put the ssh package on hold and when there is a security advisory or a major version change that forces me to upgrade it I can do the upgrade, check if I can connect, and roll the package back if I can't, all without closing the initial connectin. |
| 20:37.51 | PerfDave | abrotman: He doesn't need a more recent version of mod_perl, he needs different compile-time options. I think. |
| 20:37.53 | dondelelcaro | malex: although, unless you're running unstable, (or upgrading between distributions with custom configuration) it's really rather rare to lose the sshd. [and its rare in unstable too, but not unheard of] |
| 20:37.58 | abrotman | PerfDave: lovely :) |
| 20:38.02 | werdna | is there a a software burner that automatically converts mp3s to wav? |
| 20:38.08 | werdna | then burns |
| 20:38.17 | PerfDave | werdna: k3b will burn mp3s onto an audio CD, if that's what you want. |
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| 20:38.33 | PerfDave | werdna: Otherwise you can script mpg321 to convert mp3s to wav and burn them onto a data cd. |
| 20:39.09 | bucky | KirbyMeister, kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 makes an initrd for you when you apt-get it |
| 20:39.19 | KirbyMeister | bucky: well, I didnt apt-get it |
| 20:39.28 | KirbyMeister | bucky: I' |
| 20:39.37 | KirbyMeister | bucky: I'm busy fixing a debian install |
| 20:39.46 | bucky | oh.. then you know what you're doing.. nm |
| 20:40.06 | malex | greycat, dondelelcaro: Thank you for the help. |
| 20:40.16 | dondelelcaro | malex: np |
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| 20:41.55 | davix | eNd, SPAMMER |
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| 20:42.23 | greycat | that's TWO .ttnet.net.tr this afternoon. |
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| 20:43.20 | khjart | I'm sorry if this is a stupid question, but doesn't the Apache 2 MPM prefork package come with "apxs2"? And can't I install modules without it? |
| 20:43.34 | greycat | !find apxs2 sarge |
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| 20:43.57 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apxs2' (1 shown): (/usr/bin/apxs2) in devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev. |
| 20:44.08 | phogg | greycat: what is .ttnet.net.tr? |
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| 20:44.24 | greycat | phogg: a major turkish ISP that's apparently the central headquarters of the spambots |
| 20:44.40 | phogg | ahh |
| 20:44.54 | greycat | I've banned it twice so far, but the other ops keep unbanning it |
| 20:45.16 | hecor | I use ttnet too |
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| 20:45.32 | dvs | greycat: banned the whole domain? |
| 20:45.33 | greycat | hecor: not at the moment, you don't.... |
| 20:45.35 | thenuke | whoa what a ban list :D |
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| 20:45.37 | thenuke | 215 bans |
| 20:45.46 | paulswm | The spambot Death Star |
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| 20:45.59 | hecor | greycat: I use ttnet, just a different ip block |
| 20:46.03 | hecor | for adsl |
| 20:46.08 | thenuke | and huge loads of useless bans |
| 20:46.14 | thenuke | useless as permbans that is |
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| 20:46.43 | khjart | greycat: I can't find the apxs2 directory. Whenever I try to ./configure php it says "./configure: line 5085: /usr/bin/apxs2: No such file or directory" |
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| 20:47.10 | hecor | turkish ISP banned from ICQ in the past. some people really don't know hot to use theþr productivity. |
| 20:47.17 | hecor | their* |
| 20:47.42 | hecor | also ttnet uses an open web proxy and alot of non-turkish users as well as turkish ones expliot it |
| 20:47.47 | greycat | khjart: what in the hell are you trying to do? "configure php"? |
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| 20:48.36 | khjart | before install i mean |
| 20:48.44 | hecor | and because all out web traffic passes from that trasnparent proxy, people get banned |
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| 20:48.55 | hecor | from forums etc. |
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| 20:49.07 | greycat | hecor: so, ... tell them to fix it? |
| 20:49.13 | alex_ | if I search for a package with apt-cache search pkg, how can I get the version as well ? |
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| 20:49.21 | greycat | alex_: apt-cache show pkgname |
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| 20:49.30 | alex_ | thanks |
| 20:49.35 | hecor | helix: it's still a state company. a lot of bruecracy or how it's spelled. |
| 20:49.45 | hecor | greycat: ^ |
| 20:49.53 | greycat | bureaucracy |
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| 20:50.08 | hecor | worse than I thought :) |
| 20:50.15 | greycat | it's french. :) |
| 20:50.18 | bucky | khjart, you need either apache2-prefork-dev or apache2-threaded-dev |
| 20:50.34 | Flimzy | woot.. I got a DVD burn to work |
| 20:50.41 | Flimzy | now I need to learn to make a menu, methinks |
| 20:50.55 | khjart | bucky: oh, ok I'll try that. thanks! |
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| 20:52.12 | rilat | hi |
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| 20:52.31 | benbread | Weird.. Kmix (with ALSA) randomly changed my sound device.. anyone know where the ALSA config file is? :P |
| 20:52.54 | S4nD3r_ | Which the command to see the network traffic?? f??? I dont remember!! |
| 20:53.07 | greycat | ntop? tcpdump? ethereal? |
| 20:53.16 | rilat | any experience with foo2zjs and usb printers that require firmware download? |
| 20:53.44 | S4nD3r_ | It was f???? |
| 20:53.47 | S4nD3r_ | Dont remember |
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| 20:54.01 | greycat | iptraf? |
| 20:54.12 | warthawg | does the wine package include WINHELP? |
| 20:54.13 | S4nD3r_ | How do I see which computer is using the brandwidth? |
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| 20:55.01 | benbread | warthawg: i dont think so.. just apt-get for it |
| 20:55.05 | PerfDave | S4nD3r_: Are you possibly thinking of iftop? |
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| 20:55.42 | warthawg | benbread: ok, thanks |
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| 20:56.13 | Submarine | hi there |
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| 20:56.21 | Rambo3_ | hehe everything works, dvd , mplayer, plugins for firefox, cd player , sound, damn good. only thing is that with this old kernel gnome looses shortcuts. |
| 20:56.27 | Submarine | a friend of mine has upgraded her 2.4.x kernel to use ALSA |
| 20:56.29 | S4nD3r_ | PerfDave, It is |
| 20:56.33 | Submarine | but pcmcia is not available |
| 20:56.41 | warthawg | no package named winhelp |
| 20:56.46 | Submarine | what package does she need to upgrade? pcmcia? |
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| 20:57.42 | sepski | kernel-pcmcia-modules-kernelversion |
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| 20:57.54 | sepski | apt-cache search pcmcia would have told you i guess |
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| 20:58.52 | kristiank | #tarabel |
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| 21:00.22 | Hikaru79 | I've just plugged in an external USB harddrive on a Debian machine ... how do I mount it? |
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| 21:00.45 | PerfDave | Hikaru79: Check /var/log/messages to see what /dev node it was attached to, mount it. |
| 21:00.50 | rilat | Hikaru79 what's the message ? |
| 21:01.01 | PerfDave | Hikaru79: Or write/install something to do that for you |
| 21:01.10 | Hikaru79 | I tried 'mount /dev/sda1' but it said that sda1 is not in fstab =/ |
| 21:01.15 | Hikaru79 | I'll try your thing, PerfDave :) |
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| 21:01.17 | PerfDave | Hikaru79: man mount |
| 21:01.18 | Submarine | thanks |
| 21:01.34 | Submarine | this chick is unbelievably clueless... |
| 21:01.37 | PerfDave | Hikaru79: You'll need to specify a device and a mountpoint. |
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| 21:01.48 | rilat | PerfDave any application that automaticly mounts a pen-drive for instance? |
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| 21:01.58 | chealer9 | if something accesses a file that's in a buffer, will the file's access timestamp be modified nevertheless? |
| 21:02.12 | greycat | a "buffer"? |
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| 21:02.15 | PerfDave | rilat: I think gnome-volume-manager is supposed to do that, but I just have a script which tails /var/log/messages and handles things for me. |
| 21:02.38 | chealer9 | greycat: well let's say in RAM |
| 21:02.59 | Hikaru79 | PerfDave, how do I specify the device? Is /dev/sda1 correct? |
| 21:02.59 | greycat | chealer9: linux would be horribly BROKEN if the cached-ness of a file defined whether its timestamps got updated upon access. |
| 21:03.14 | rilat | PerfDave, yeah I know, I was thinking at OS level... any deamon or so... |
| 21:03.14 | chealer9 | that's what I thought... |
| 21:03.17 | nvz | rilat: you could also make a panel applet that you click on to mount removable drives, they have to be in the fstab of course |
| 21:04.17 | PerfDave | Hikaru79: The device is what /var/log/messages says it is. |
| 21:04.20 | FieldySnuts | s/ino/igno/ |
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| 21:04.55 | Hikaru79 | PerfDave, what will it look like in /var/log/messages because I looked at the last part where it talks about the USB and although it said it was succesfully registered, it doesn't mention /dev/anything |
| 21:04.57 | PerfDave | rilat: Well, gnome-volume-manager is an interface to hald (the Hardware Abstraction Layer daemon) which itself relies on udev. |
| 21:04.57 | rilat | nvz .. I meant something "like" with sync parameter at fstab which allows to unplug a pen-drive without umouning it... |
| 21:05.02 | Flimzy | When using growisofs on a DVD+RW that already contains data, is it necessary to explicitly blank the DVD before rewriting, or does the pre-formatting phase accomplish the same thing? |
| 21:05.25 | PerfDave | Hikaru79: It should say when you plug your device in that it's assigned it a node in /dev, assuming you've got hotplug running (apt-get install hotplug) |
| 21:05.31 | FieldySnuts | Flimzy: not sure, never used a rw. try it out, see what happens |
| 21:05.48 | nvz | rilat: then use that :P and use a panel applet with a little usb pen drive icon to mount it |
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| 21:06.46 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: that's pricesely what I'm doing. :) I was just hoping to avoid the need to reboot my system to unlock the drive again like I had to do a bit ago. hehe |
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| 21:07.25 | rilat | nvz hmmm... maybe I didn't myself understand.... |
| 21:07.25 | Flimzy | Does anyone know the lowest video bitrate supported by hardware DVD players? |
| 21:07.50 | si|vercat | hey.. how do I find out if my webcam is supported? |
| 21:07.52 | Flimzy | somewhere I read 2000kbit/s... But other places I've read higher values. |
| 21:07.54 | valdyn | Flimzy: you dont need to specifically preformat or blank a dvd-rw that already contains data at all |
| 21:08.49 | nvz | rilat: set it all up in /etc/fstab the way you want and then either use a panel applet, or in gnome there is a thing Applications > Desktop Preferences > Removable Media. it uses gnome-vfs or whatever to manage the removeable devices |
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| 21:09.03 | jeff_ | what's the package that contains format? |
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| 21:09.10 | greycat | not_jeff: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:09.15 | not_jeff | greycat: thanks |
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| 21:09.58 | Flimzy | valdyn: okay, thanks. |
| 21:10.03 | Hikaru79 | PerfDave, I got it =) I did: mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1/ -t vfat |
| 21:10.03 | MadA | hello all |
| 21:10.05 | Hikaru79 | Thanks! |
| 21:10.18 | not_jeff | greycat: hmmm, that returned nothing of use |
| 21:10.24 | Flimzy | not_jeff: what is 'format'? |
| 21:10.25 | PerfDave | Hikaru79: Good job |
| 21:10.31 | MadA | anyone know of a linux utility that allows you to look at your hard drive sectors graphically and displays other random info about your hdd? |
| 21:10.39 | not_jeff | Flimzy: the partition tool |
| 21:10.43 | MadA | i've seen it in a screen shot, i just can't seem to find it |
| 21:10.44 | greycat | not_jeff: uh... you mean fdisk? |
| 21:10.54 | not_jeff | greycat: damn, ya sorry |
| 21:10.58 | not_jeff | i couldn't remember it |
| 21:11.00 | rilat | when I try to use a USB printer I get "DEV is not set", what does it mean? |
| 21:11.03 | not_jeff | i'm to used to solaris now |
| 21:11.14 | nvz | MadA: for what purpose? |
| 21:11.19 | greycat | at least you didn't ask for disklabel :) |
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| 21:11.48 | MadA | nvz: my purpose is for kicks, i just think it would be cool to have for my desktop |
| 21:11.49 | Flimzy | not_jeff: A partition tool is called 'format'? |
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| 21:12.20 | nvz | MadA: sounds pointless to me. why would anyone program something to graphically display hard drive sectors, I cant figure out |
| 21:12.21 | Flimzy | not_jeff: to partition, use fdisk, cfdisk, or similar. To format, use mkfs |
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| 21:12.31 | Feiten | SNake! |
| 21:12.33 | Feiten | Iam a snake |
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| 21:12.43 | tek- | in debian where is the network gateway stored? |
| 21:12.46 | not_jeff | Flimzy: ya, in solaris you can partition with format |
| 21:12.53 | MadA | nvz: i dunno ... but i've seen it... i've even read an article about it, i just don't remember what it is called |
| 21:12.55 | greycat | tek-: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:13.02 | nvz | tek-: you mean the network settings? |
| 21:13.08 | rilat | nvz thanks |
| 21:13.31 | KirbyMeister | okay, I'm trying to create an initrd for kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7. I cant mod the initrd manually, and no, apt-getting is not an option as i'm running off of a Live CD. For some reason, when I try to modify the initrd manually, _as root_, it refuses to do anything to it. What's going on? |
| 21:13.58 | nvz | rilat: removable sotrage in gnome tells me it needs hald and kernel 2.6 with udev.. I guess it uses the Hardware Abstraction Layer |
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| 21:14.10 | nvz | rilat: but I would imagine that would be the tool |
| 21:14.11 | si|vercat | how do I find the hex-number for my webcam? I see the drivers list supported cameras like 0x0471:0x0303 etc |
| 21:14.30 | MadA | KirbyMeister: you're runnign off a live distro, you can't edit it because it is ROM |
| 21:14.35 | MadA | running* |
| 21:14.36 | Flimzy | Is it possible to put arbitrary data files on a DVD video filesystem without any ill effects? Specifically, I have some various video files I've dled and would like to burn them to DVD-Video, and would like to put the original .avi/.mpg,etc on the DVD filesystem to read on a PC in the future, should I ever wish to re-master my DVD image. |
| 21:14.37 | nvz | si|vercat: is it usb? |
| 21:14.40 | tek- | greycat wouldnt know by chance how I would change the info there to change my current setup to a bridge? I've got it working with brctl so far |
| 21:14.50 | si|vercat | nvz, yes |
| 21:14.52 | nvz | si|vercat: are you using a desktop like gnome/kde or console? |
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| 21:14.58 | rilat | nvz don't warry it was just a nonsens |
| 21:15.02 | si|vercat | nvz, gnome. |
| 21:15.02 | KirbyMeister | MadA: no, I'm trying to edit an initrd image that's stored on the hd |
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| 21:15.15 | nvz | si|vercat: there is a package called hardinfo, you might find useful |
| 21:15.17 | sepski | KirbyMeister, chroot to your real install mount proc then mkinitrd -o initrdimagefile kernelversion |
| 21:15.23 | not_jeff | greycat: what's the interactive fdisk that debian uses in install"? |
| 21:15.26 | MadA | KirbyMeister: do you have the hdd volume mounted? |
| 21:15.29 | KirbyMeister | sepski: didnt work |
| 21:15.33 | KirbyMeister | MadA: Yes it's mounted |
| 21:15.34 | greycat | cfdisk |
| 21:15.40 | greycat | (in the woody installer, anyway) |
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| 21:15.51 | nvz | si|vercat: it will list the devices and their Vendor and Product ids |
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| 21:15.55 | stego | How do I get around the problem of an argument list being too long? |
| 21:15.58 | KirbyMeister | sepski: I tried that, and I got a 2.4 initrd |
| 21:16.04 | greycat | stego: xargs |
| 21:16.07 | MadA | KirbyMeister: just had to check .... have you chmod +rwx / chmod 777 |
| 21:16.18 | stego | greycat, thank you |
| 21:16.19 | KirbyMeister | MadA: I'll try that |
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| 21:16.25 | MadA | KirbyMeister: okies |
| 21:16.33 | MadA | and i'm off |
| 21:16.35 | sepski | KirbyMeister, you specified a 2.6 kernel version but got a 2.4 initrd ? ??? |
| 21:17.09 | inc|freaky | in which file are the global paths set again? |
| 21:17.12 | inc|freaky | i mean $PATH |
| 21:17.15 | KirbyMeister | sepski: there's no kernel version option |
| 21:17.19 | greycat | !wikifaq inc|freaky DotFiles |
| 21:17.20 | dpkg | inc|freaky: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
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| 21:17.40 | not_jeff | hmmm, i just bought a 80gig hd that's only showing up as 31 gigs |
| 21:17.46 | not_jeff | that's a HUGE difference :0 |
| 21:17.47 | si|vercat | nvz: the program wont start. |
| 21:17.53 | nvz | si|vercat: did you install it? |
| 21:17.57 | si|vercat | yes |
| 21:18.04 | inc|freaky | greycat: i mean /etc/profile ;p |
| 21:18.08 | nvz | si|vercat: are you using sarge? what is the problem? |
| 21:18.10 | KirbyMeister | MadA: Nope, I still cant modify the initrd |
| 21:18.28 | sepski | KirbyMeister, yes and you need to specify it |
| 21:18.29 | si|vercat | nvz: well something pops up really briefly then disappears.. using sarge. |
| 21:18.36 | nvz | si|vercat: the programs it uses are lspci, lsusb, lspnp and such |
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| 21:18.47 | KirbyMeister | sepski: and how? |
| 21:18.55 | nvz | si|vercat: you can type lsusb in a console and see it, that is just a gnome frontend to several hardware information programs |
| 21:19.08 | nvz | si|vercat: you can try running hardinfo from an xterm and see if you get any error messages |
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| 21:19.20 | sepski | KirbyMeister, it's on the first line of man mkinitrd, buthers and example #mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-1-k7-smp-md 2.6.8-1-k7-smp |
| 21:19.24 | chealer9 | I have a sarge/sid mix. is it normal that if I apt-get -t testing dist-upgrade even the packages from unstable are upgraded? |
| 21:19.50 | sepski | you must ofcouse have a modules directory matching the version number you use |
| 21:19.59 | si|vercat | nvz: can't open display :P |
| 21:20.04 | KirbyMeister | sepski: oh.... |
| 21:20.09 | nvz | si|vercat: are you running it as root? |
| 21:20.16 | clown | chealer9, how can you tell? |
| 21:20.23 | sepski | KirbyMeister, that's why chroot is convinient |
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| 21:20.31 | Rambo3 | if i want to install newer kernel , can i keep my all configuration like in old kernel ? |
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| 21:20.42 | KirbyMeister | sepski: I did chroot it |
| 21:20.47 | chealer9 | clown: it asks me for confirmation, and I see that it's going to upgrade packages with version higher than sarge's |
| 21:20.48 | greycat | !VAGUENESS |
| 21:20.48 | dpkg | VAGUENESS MAKES THE BABY BADGERS CRY! |
| 21:20.48 | nvz | si|vercat: you should have access to the display if you are running the program as the same user logged into gnome |
| 21:20.59 | si|vercat | nvz: ah.. segmentation fault. :( after sit0 |
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| 21:21.21 | GLADYS-VIRGEN | hola a todos |
| 21:21.26 | greycat | !es |
| 21:21.26 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:21.35 | nvz | si|vercat: oh well, it works find here.. its just a basic gtk frontend to programs like uname, lspci, lspnp, lsusb, and various other things |
| 21:21.47 | nvz | si|vercat: you can run lsusb from the xterm and see the same info |
| 21:22.02 | si|vercat | ya I found it. |
| 21:22.04 | si|vercat | thanks :) |
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| 21:23.36 | vchrizz | uhm, is it possible to see on which date linux/debian was installed? if yes, how? |
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| 21:24.50 | sepski | vchrizz, i guess you can ls -lh some file that dont change often like /etc/debian_version forinstance |
| 21:24.53 | greycat | vchrizz: in general, no. |
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| 21:25.42 | wandererx | hello |
| 21:25.42 | rico | the idea of sepski is pretty good |
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| 21:25.51 | si|vercat | bah, guess I'm just out of luck |
| 21:26.05 | rico | why? :) |
| 21:26.21 | wandererx | I found some debian 3.0r2 CDs. How long will take to update the complete system? |
| 21:26.21 | sepski | will only work if your box have correct time/date when installing ofcoouse |
| 21:26.29 | si|vercat | 046d:0810 camera isn't supported by anything :( |
| 21:26.32 | wandererx | If I install from those CDs |
| 21:26.36 | _rene_ | wandererx: from woody to woody not much |
| 21:26.44 | cafuego | Wanderer: Depends on what you install |
| 21:26.49 | greycat | define "complete system". |
| 21:26.58 | sepski | Wanderer, depdens a lot, on what you install and what link you have |
| 21:27.00 | cafuego | Wanderer: ... and your bandwidth.. and what you upgrade to. |
| 21:27.01 | wandererx | every package? |
| 21:27.10 | greycat | define "every" |
| 21:27.12 | cafuego | Wanderer: You can't install every package. |
| 21:27.37 | wandererx | hmm okay. you want to play on strict terms |
| 21:27.38 | Kvant | vchrizz, this gives a date that might be the installation date: ls -ltc /var/lib/dpkg/info|tail |
| 21:27.39 | modeman | do you have to add a user to usb? |
| 21:27.47 | modeman | i cant get this camera identified |
| 21:27.56 | greycat | let's put it this way. if you install 500 MB worth of (.deb) packages from the woody CD, then upgrade to sarge, you'll probably have to download about 500-600 MB of .deb files. |
| 21:27.56 | wandererx | suppose I will install a typical desktop system with X,gnome and things like that |
| 21:27.56 | cafuego | !vagueness |
| 21:27.56 | dpkg | VAGUENESS KILLS! |
| 21:28.10 | wandererx | from those 3.0r2 CDs. |
| 21:28.11 | cafuego | Wanderer: What are you updating to and what bandwidth do you have? |
| 21:28.24 | sepski | wandererx, there are very very many packages in debian most are for specialy interested people only you dont need or want all packages |
| 21:28.32 | greycat | GNOME is fucking huge, so that might be more than 500 MB worth of debs. |
| 21:28.55 | sepski | food |
| 21:29.08 | PerfDave | greycat: Gnome and KDE are both on the first CD IIRC, so it's unlikely. |
| 21:29.11 | wandererx | hmmm. adding X and some other stuff to it, can we say I'll dl at least 1gb of data? |
| 21:29.16 | PerfDave | greycat: Probably about 150 each. |
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| 21:29.36 | rico | never more than 500 |
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| 21:29.59 | rico | ... even if you install all the features and little tools of KDE |
| 21:29.59 | PerfDave | wandererx: If you're upgrading from 3.0r2 to 3.0r4, you will have very little to install. If you're upgrading from 3.0r2 to 3.1 (which means no security updates) then you'll upgrade every single package and are best off just netinstalling 3.1 |
| 21:30.08 | rico | (you won't need them) |
| 21:30.49 | wandererx | hmmm.. I'm completely new to debian. (oh really? :P) is there some isomorph of the famous gentoo "emerge -u world" command in debian? |
| 21:31.01 | modeman | greycat: do you have to add a user to a usb group ? |
| 21:31.05 | cafuego | Wanderer: no, Debian is sane. |
| 21:31.13 | thenuke | what is -u world |
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| 21:31.32 | greycat | wandererx: is that anything like "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
| 21:31.49 | cafuego | thenuke: An equivalent to 'dist-upgrade' except WAY worse for the environment. |
| 21:31.51 | rico | sounds like |
| 21:32.14 | wandererx | one last thing |
| 21:32.17 | PerfDave | thenuke: I'm guessing it's like "makeworld" in BSD - download source for EVERYTHING on your system and recompile it. |
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| 21:32.33 | PerfDave | wandererx: You might want to read the Debian Installation Manual, and possibly the APT HOWTO. |
| 21:32.34 | thenuke | PerfDave: ouch :) |
| 21:32.45 | wandererx | is there some "newcomers guide to debian"? |
| 21:33.00 | PerfDave | wandererx: The Installation Guide is a good starting point |
| 21:33.03 | rico | the debian-howtos on the debian-site |
| 21:33.16 | peet | how do i patch a kernel? |
| 21:33.18 | PerfDave | wandererx: There's plenty of documentation on the website: http://www.debian.org/ |
| 21:33.27 | PerfDave | peet: Why do you think you should? |
| 21:33.58 | wandererx | thx guys :) |
| 21:34.09 | zrizer | PerfDave: kernelnewbies.org |
| 21:34.13 | zrizer | er...peet. |
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| 21:34.17 | zrizer | sorry PerfDave :( |
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| 21:34.30 | modeman | anyone know if you have to add a user to a usb group ? |
| 21:34.53 | MobyTurbo | modeman: vigr |
| 21:35.05 | phogg | modeman: You do not have to. I never have. But then, I also don't use anything USB. This has been a waste of your time. |
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| 21:35.19 | modeman | phogg: thanks fer nuttin |
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| 21:35.25 | phogg | modeman: welcome |
| 21:35.31 | tuxipuxi | hi i've a serious problem, please no kidding etc... i just accidentally did an rm -Rf * in my home directory.. is there any way to restore things probably? |
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| 21:35.38 | modeman | MobyTurbo: vigr? |
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| 21:36.07 | MobyTurbo | modeman: as root run vigr to edit the groups file |
| 21:36.21 | MobyTurbo | modeman: it's like vipw except for groups rather than passwords |
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| 21:36.42 | modeman | MobyTurbo: thanks, see phogg? now you know. |
| 21:36.46 | PerfDave | tuxipuxi: There are *some* filesystem recovery tools. If I were you I'd unmount the partition/drive in question *immediately*. |
| 21:36.55 | PerfDave | tuxipuxi: But probably restore from backups. |
| 21:37.08 | phogg | modeman: I will remember this and pass it on to future petitioners. |
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| 21:37.32 | modeman | phogg: brilliant! |
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| 21:38.20 | herodes | can anybody tellme the sources for apt (testing) ( iam withiout X) |
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| 21:38.25 | PerfDave | chealer9: I'm really not sure why APT::Default-Release isn't set in the system default apt.conf actually. Bit late for Sarge now the base system is frozen. |
| 21:38.32 | PerfDave | herodes: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or apt-setup |
| 21:38.35 | vguima | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:38.37 | buffalo | i think this is a simple question: if i've compiled a customized kernel (basically, patching in megaraid & aic7xxx rather than have them load as modules), when I do an apt-get upgrade, and there is a newer kernel available, does it upgrade the kernel, keeping my customizations, or does it overwrite/replace my kernel? if the latter, I assume I have to exclude kernel from being upgraded and manually upgrade? |
| 21:38.50 | thenuke | herodes: use links :I |
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| 21:38.59 | adjacent | is there a command to see bandwidth usage from the command line? |
| 21:39.02 | herodes | PerfDave, iam installing package system |
| 21:39.04 | PerfDave | adjacent: iftop |
| 21:39.08 | adjacent | nice |
| 21:39.10 | PerfDave | herodes: http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or apt-setup |
| 21:39.27 | chealer9 | PerfDave: the install dates from december...that's why I'm trying to apt-get dist-upgrade and face those problems |
| 21:39.29 | jstevens | buffalo: it's a NEW kernel.. if you want the changes to be in the new one you need to recompile it |
| 21:39.36 | tarzeau | omg what happened to the frontpage of debian-faq-wiki? |
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| 21:39.49 | herodes | PerfDave, can you please? |
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| 21:39.56 | jstevens | buffalo: does what I typed make sense? |
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| 21:40.17 | PerfDave | buffalo: If you compiled a kernel with exactly the same name as a Debian kernel-image, it will be "upgraded" if the Debian kernel-image has a higher version, overwriting your changes. Either you should pin your kernel-image package, or use relevant make-kpkg options to give it a different package name. |
| 21:40.18 | buffalo | jstevens: Thanks, makes sense. I was hoping it would be smart enough to use my .config to make the new kernel. |
| 21:40.22 | PerfDave | herodes: Can I please what? |
| 21:40.29 | modeman | MobyTurbo: can you edit thi with nano ? |
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| 21:40.41 | modeman | MobyTurbo: i mean /etc/group |
| 21:41.10 | herodes | PerfDave, give me the line: deb http://..............(for kde) |
| 21:41.10 | PerfDave | modeman: It may not be safe to do so. vigr implements locking. |
| 21:41.10 | nsanity | how do I tell my system to use nullmailer instead of exim? |
| 21:41.11 | PerfDave | herodes: TYPE apt-setup AS ROOT |
| 21:41.15 | MobyTurbo | modeman: vigr, despite the name, uses your default editor as specified in alternatives |
| 21:41.16 | PerfDave | nsanity: apt-get install nullmailer |
| 21:41.24 | modeman | PerfDave: thanks. i will man vigr and look at what i can do... |
| 21:41.26 | cafuego | nsanity: Install nullmailer and remove exim. |
| 21:41.42 | modeman | MobyTurbo: thanks |
| 21:41.47 | herodes | PerfDave, i am installing system-base. |
| 21:42.18 | herodes | PerfDave, i need it for install too kde |
| 21:42.18 | cafuego | herodes: Just let it finish, then install nullmailer. |
| 21:42.18 | PerfDave | herodes: Then the installer will set up your apt sources for you. |
| 21:42.18 | nsanity | wtf?!? |
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| 21:42.26 | PerfDave | herodes: If you want to install kde, select the "desktop environment" task in the installer, or apt-get install kde. |
| 21:42.38 | malex | It looks like sshd daemon does not heed the --pidfile option of start-stop-daemon and /var/run/sshd.pid always shows the pid of the last started sshd even if they use different config files. This is a problem as I need to be able to restart two sshd daemons independently. Any ideas? |
| 21:42.38 | nsanity | it removed my mysql install!? |
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| 21:42.49 | buffalo | PerfDave: i mean, I do want the updates if there are any available in a newer kernel, just without having to recompile my mods back in. I thought it would key off of the existing .config when it upgrades the kernel, but I guess it doesn't. |
| 21:42.54 | herodes | PerfDave, i would like to do it now. |
| 21:43.04 | herodes | would you? |
| 21:43.29 | PerfDave | herodes: For fuck's sake! Read the installation manual! Installing packages comes *after* installing the base system! |
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| 21:44.05 | herodes | ok...ok |
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| 21:44.20 | malex | grr, --pidfile only "checks" for a pid. Is there a sane way to make sshd use a user-configured .pid file? |
| 21:44.53 | PerfDave | nsanity: That's odd. nullmailer Provides: mail-transport-agent. |
| 21:44.58 | herodes | PerfDave, i am ask to run taskel? i remember to be other best yes?? |
| 21:45.19 | PerfDave | herodes: I'm sorry, please try to speak English properly. I don't understand what you're trying to say. |
| 21:45.33 | herodes | ok. |
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| 21:46.09 | vrt | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:46.16 | modeman | man vigr is a pain in the ass... |
| 21:46.22 | herodes | i am asked to run taskel. Is there any other best program lead instalation? |
| 21:46.33 | herodes | instead taskel? |
| 21:46.38 | PerfDave | herodes: Read the Installation Manual, please. |
| 21:46.47 | modeman | anyone have a few basic commands they can throw at me for using this pig? |
| 21:47.18 | PerfDave | modeman: "man vigr" is only a dozen lines long! |
| 21:47.26 | modeman | tell me about it |
| 21:47.27 | modeman | wtf |
| 21:47.48 | cafuego | vrt: There's a way to make bind9 point to the customer's dns server, but I don't know exactly how. Google is your friend there. |
| 21:47.54 | modeman | i typed --help in vigr, it told me help.txt and the date it was last updated lol |
| 21:47.55 | k-man | how does one approach having access to an smtp server when one is on the road? |
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| 21:48.00 | Delph | modeman: which pig? |
| 21:48.00 | modeman | !vigr |
| 21:48.04 | modeman | vigr |
| 21:48.18 | modeman | Delph: sheesh the man on it sux arse |
| 21:48.25 | Delph | export $EDITOR=your-favourite-editor; vigr |
| 21:48.32 | PerfDave | modeman: What exactly are you having trouble with? The manpage is short and tells you exactly what you need to know. |
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| 21:48.50 | modeman | PerfDave: i must be looking past its meaning.... again |
| 21:49.07 | Delph | k-man: SMTP auth is the way to go. |
| 21:49.38 | modeman | PerfDave: wellm for instance there is an entry called camera:x:103 can i add a user to the end ? |
| 21:49.38 | PerfDave | k-man: I ssh into my server and run mutt there, it uses its MTA for delivery. |
| 21:49.41 | Delph | you end up passing credentials to your SMTP server to tell it it's ok to relay mail for you. |
| 21:49.53 | nsanity | PerfDave: heh |
| 21:49.56 | nsanity | PerfDave |
| 21:50.11 | uraclea_laptop | it seems that the answer to most questions is RTFM, makes you wonder why so many in these chat rooms |
| 21:50.12 | PerfDave | modeman: That's nothing to do with vigr. If you want to know how your groups file works, "man group" |
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| 21:50.17 | nsanity | PerfDave: I'm still pretty new to this |
| 21:50.38 | Delph | uraclea_laptop: because there's a shedload of people who dont read the manuals, and about 90% of the effort is finding the right manual. |
| 21:50.46 | PerfDave | modeman: You can also use "adduser user group" to add a user to a group, rather than hand-editing the file. |
| 21:50.49 | modeman | PerfDave: ohhhhhh... DUH i thought you coud use it to change stuff lol |
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| 21:51.07 | PerfDave | modeman: vigr is a program which calls your editor of choice to edit the groups file. |
| 21:51.13 | Delph | modeman: vigr is what it says it is... a safe way to edit your groups file. |
| 21:51.38 | modeman | PerfDave: so in that camera:x:103 i can do adduser username camera ? |
| 21:51.46 | PerfDave | modeman: No. |
| 21:51.47 | modeman | PerfDave: i don't use vi (don't yell) |
| 21:51.54 | fabietto | Hi at all... i would like to add a graphical menu to lilo... someone can link me a good howto? my google research didn't find anything useful... :-/ |
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| 21:52.00 | PerfDave | modeman: vigr doesn't call vi, it calls your editor of choice, as it says in the manpage. |
| 21:52.04 | Delph | modeman: either work out the format of the "groups" file |
| 21:52.10 | hail04 | bah changing clients |
| 21:52.22 | Delph | or use adduser |
| 21:52.27 | PerfDave | modeman: adduser is called from the command line, to save you having to hand-edit the groups file. If you have to hand-edit the file, use vigr to call your editor to do so. |
| 21:52.59 | numer | does anyone know where debian stores the type of configuration, menu-driven or editor-driven? |
| 21:53.07 | jjdm | modeman, wouldn't it be better if you read some unix-introduction? |
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| 21:53.16 | hail04 | much better |
| 21:53.19 | herodes | PerfDave, i dont have manual for read,at this moment. for install liutle debian, and make then..apt-get dist-upgrade, need i to run tasekl?? |
| 21:53.37 | abrotman | !fundamentals |
| 21:53.37 | dpkg | You have recieved this message because you have shown yourself to be ignorant of some of the fundamentals of *nix and/or Debian. Read the "Unix and Internet Fundamentals" howto at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-Internet-Fundamentals-HOWTO/index.html. Then, read the Debian Reference at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. This may help you to attain what others sometimes refer to as "a Clue". |
| 21:53.38 | PerfDave | numer: What do you mean? Configuration files live in /etc, debian has its own debconf database somewhere that dpkg-reconfigure uses to change those configuration files. |
| 21:54.04 | modeman | jjdm: whats the chatroom for? i read and ask questions at the same time... have you been following any of this? |
| 21:54.10 | PerfDave | herodes: I'm not going to help you if you're not going to READ THE FUCKING MANUAL WHICH TELLS YOU WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW. It's available online. |
| 21:54.35 | herodes | PerfDave, i dont have X. |
| 21:54.42 | PerfDave | herodes: Why do you need X? |
| 21:54.51 | abrotman | X is for girls |
| 21:55.00 | modeman | PerfDave: be back... i will let you know what i can find on my own... |
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| 21:55.10 | msn | how do I make nautilus opne in browser mode always |
| 21:55.15 | chealer9 | GUIs are for babies |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | msn: #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 21:55.23 | numer | PerfDave: dpkg asks configuration parameters with my default editor, which I need to edit. but as I remember debian also has a ncurses menu driven configuration. I dont know where this is set, that it uses the ncurses menu again |
| 21:55.33 | PerfDave | numer: dpkg-reconfigure debconf |
| 21:55.35 | msn | there is a variable in nautilus which needs to be set to 1, I don't remember the name of the parameter |
| 21:55.46 | numer | PerfDave: ok |
| 21:55.56 | PerfDave | modeman: You might try "dpkg-reconfigure nautilus" to see if that helps. |
| 21:55.57 | numer | PerfDave: thank you |
| 21:55.58 | abrotman | msn: #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
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| 21:56.08 | PerfDave | modeman: Best of luck! |
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| 21:56.38 | quittt | Debian |
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| 21:57.18 | Zero_Dogg | Currently my debian install falls back to swedish and danish before English, this seems to be due to a LANGUAGE variable, where is that one set? |
| 21:57.56 | tyranix | Does anyone get these messages: "<hostname> kernel: ReiserFS: hda3: warning: vs-8115: get_num_ver: not directory item"? |
| 21:58.06 | tyranix | I've tried searching google for it and wound with up with older versions and people saying "it's fixed now" but I've had that warning on one system ever since changing between 2.6 kernels (debian images). It was a lower 2.6 say 2.6.5 to 2.6.6. Ever since then, every time I do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" I get 2-3 of those messages. |
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| 21:59.49 | numer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.42 | knt | i want to find files ending with ".c" or ".h". i'm using find DIR -regex "^.*\.(c|h)$" but it isn't working. where did i make a mistake? |
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| 22:01.00 | numer | find . -name *.c -print |
| 22:01.12 | PerfDave | knt: Why not "[ch]$" ? |
| 22:01.21 | PerfDave | knt: And you probably want single quotes, not double. |
| 22:01.45 | knt | PerfDave, thanks [ch] worked fine. |
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| 22:01.47 | kandalf | hi |
| 22:02.33 | kandalf | Im trying to compile kernel 2.6.8 with ICH5 SATA support, but I dont find the modules anywhere |
| 22:02.44 | kandalf | where are they? |
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| 22:03.56 | cafuego | kandalf: Enable support for experimental device drivers |
| 22:04.08 | cafuego | kandalf: THEn it should show up under SCSI |
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| 22:04.32 | kandalf | thanks |
| 22:04.35 | kandalf | lets see |
| 22:05.48 | quittt | kandalf, lets see |
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| 22:06.30 | jjdm | I know it's very offtopic but here are so many people: Die one of you ever compiled the fast mp3 encoder GOGO? It's basicaly LAME rewritten in Assembler. |
| 22:06.41 | PerfDave | !does anybody |
| 22:06.45 | abrotman | you're killing us? |
| 22:06.49 | resiak | !anybody |
| 22:06.49 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
| 22:07.16 | jjdm | Die*Die |
| 22:07.16 | kandalf | cafuego, I found it. Thanks. I hope It works |
| 22:07.17 | jjdm | Die*Did |
| 22:07.18 | jjdm | damn |
| 22:07.48 | cafuego | kandalf: yeah, should be fine. Note that 2.6.8 is old and has a root bug. try 2.6.10 |
| 22:07.52 | pipeline | I suppose you could make .app bundles for GNUstep |
| 22:07.53 | resiak | msn: It's in the preferences of Gnome 2.8's Nautilus. |
| 22:07.54 | MobyTurbo | I have no idea why people think #debian is "the anything channel" |
| 22:08.16 | resiak | "But it si in Debain lol" |
| 22:08.18 | jjdm | Is asked in several other channels |
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| 22:08.41 | kandalf | cafuego, ok, lets see if this configuration works and then I will compile 2.6.10 with same config |
| 22:08.51 | jjdm | Because I don't find anything in google. There is no INSTALL. Absolutely nothing. |
| 22:09.17 | numer | has anyone ever had the problem that dpkg-reconfigure locales failes if you select more than one locales? it works here if I just select one |
| 22:09.21 | MobyTurbo | resiak: "gogo" is not in Debian |
| 22:09.25 | cafuego | jjdm: Sorry, that x86 shit won't compile/run on my AMD64 or PPC machines. |
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| 22:09.34 | jjdm | ;) |
| 22:09.47 | PerfDave | numer: Nope, I've configured multiple locales with no problems. Checked the BTS? |
| 22:10.01 | resiak | MobyTurbo: I was meaning in general. |
| 22:10.05 | numer | PerfDave: I'll have a look now |
| 22:10.24 | jjdm | MobyTurbo, I know that it's not in Debin. But it could be someone made a package for his self. |
| 22:10.26 | MobyTurbo | jjdm: Debian does not accept packages that aren't portable |
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| 22:10.43 | resiak | !debin |
| 22:10.43 | dpkg | it has been said that debin is a spelling mistake. |
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| 22:12.11 | bob2 | you suck, dovecot |
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| 22:13.07 | Cope | Usually if a project is not in debian, its due to legal / licence issues rather than lack of people-power, I've found. But MediaWiki is GPL, and I can't find reference on google to any problems. Is it simply not in debian because there's no maintainer? |
| 22:13.11 | abrotman | which is so much better than "you suck dovecot" |
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| 22:13.28 | resiak | Cope: Why don't you package it |
| 22:13.29 | abrotman | Cope: did you check the wnpp pages ? |
| 22:13.39 | cafuego | bob2: strategic use of a comma. |
| 22:13.40 | chealer9 | Cope: there's already an ITP |
| 22:13.53 | chealer9 | 3 people packaged it |
| 22:14.00 | Cope | chealer9: cool |
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| 22:14.07 | stew | !dbugs 217571 |
| 22:14.08 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=217571 |
| 22:14.11 | dpkg | #217571:W[wnpp] ITP: mediawiki -- Wikipedia wiki engine [#276057] |
| 22:14.18 | Cope | abrotman: no - will look now. |
| 22:14.47 | bob2 | cafuego: I'll forgive it when it binds to my vpn interface |
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| 22:15.28 | ludi | how do I reconfigure X after installing a new video card and monitor? |
| 22:15.38 | PerfDave | ludi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 22:15.39 | chealer9 | !drxx ludi |
| 22:15.39 | dpkg | ludi: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (as root) |
| 22:15.40 | cafuego | bob2: That's a bit inconvenient |
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| 22:16.00 | dippo | anyone here have any experience with the scalability of berkeley db? (slight OT, sorry) |
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| 22:17.01 | RainbowW | anybody know the upper limit of what mkfs.vfat can handle? |
| 22:17.04 | dondelelcaro | dippo: if you're really concerned about scalability, I'd suggest using something else. However, for relatively small databases that don't get queried insanely often, it's a good choice. |
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| 22:17.28 | dippo | yeah, agreed |
| 22:17.38 | dippo | unfortunately it's something already in use using berkeley and I am just trying to figure out how far i can push it |
| 22:17.45 | dippo | (postgrey -- a greylisting daemon for postfix) |
| 22:17.59 | dippo | i wonder if there's a replacement that uses mysql these days |
| 22:18.06 | dondelelcaro | dippo: it's probably ok, unless you're getting rediculous numbers of messgaes. |
| 22:18.29 | dippo | i could be, very soon :) |
| 22:18.43 | dippo | extrapolating from current numbers, the bdb file would wind up at around 300M |
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| 22:18.49 | dippo | which from what i am reading may not be too bad |
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| 22:20.06 | fabietto | I've got a doubt. I compiled the kernel (2.6.8) with APM support enabled. Anyway, when i try to run, for example, "apmd" i get an error message saying: "No APM support in kernel". Am I doing something wrong? |
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| 22:21.38 | dippo | fabietto: did you compile it as a module perhaps? |
| 22:22.12 | fabietto | dippo: no... i'm taking a look to make menuconfig, and the APM support is selected to be integrated in the kernel |
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| 22:22.34 | pipeline | fabietto: Did you also enable acpi? What are your kernel arguments? |
| 22:23.08 | pipeline | dippo: You know, I think I'd take Berkeley over MySQL. |
| 22:23.22 | fabietto | pipeline: no, i disabled acpi because it crashed my kernel during the boot... i don't know what are the current kernel arguments... how can i see them? |
| 22:23.42 | pipeline | dippo: The ONLY thing MySQL has going for it is the fact that it does SQL. |
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| 22:24.04 | pipeline | fabietto: If I have to tell you that, you probably shouldn't be doing this. Why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 22:24.07 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: ...and the widely held perception that it is fast and easy. |
| 22:24.26 | directhex | sgeigerbot, i knew somneone like that once |
| 22:24.32 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: Well, maybe it's easy. I know it's not fast. |
| 22:24.52 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: It is my suspicion that MySQL would just be one more project for the dustbin of history if it hadn't been for PHP. |
| 22:24.56 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: relative to other larger databases. |
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| 22:25.12 | fabietto | pipeline: you're right... i'm a newbie! :-) I needed to recompile the kernel to make ndiswrapper working correctly with my pcmcia wireless adapter... |
| 22:25.15 | dippo | pipeline: interesting.. do you know of any references that I could look at to make an objective decision? |
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| 22:25.22 | Delph | mysql has the advantage of low entry level intelligence to maintain it. |
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| 22:25.57 | pipeline | dippo: Uh, not really. Read the history of MySQL. Take a look at the hundred page errata document. Compare it to the BerkeleyDB documentation. I wouldn't trust either one to scale very far, but I know which one will still exist in ten years :) |
| 22:26.00 | Delph | aka, the dump / restore / admin tools are designed to be shiney and graphical. |
| 22:26.14 | dippo | heh |
| 22:26.15 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: We all know by now, though, that the technically best solution would win in a vacuum where technical merits are the only important feature. We also know that software never lives in such a vacuum. |
| 22:26.22 | sgeigerbot | pipeline: same with hardware. |
| 22:26.25 | superSSS | I am trying to install debian on a PA-RISC, when initializing linux partition as ext3 inode writes 26/31 inodes, then it hangs, what could be the error? |
| 22:26.42 | Delph | other than that, it's fairly fast at select's, but dont try to do a join, or a strange select from multiple tables, or anything silly like that. |
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| 22:26.47 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: I think the two are intimately linked. Hardware usually gets dragging kicking and screaming along the path that software takes. |
| 22:27.16 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: For example, the "RISC revolution" was spurred by the emergence of C as the dominant microcomputer programming language. |
| 22:27.35 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: And C, in turn, was designed to use hardware features that were extremely cheap to implement and common across many architectures. |
| 22:27.47 | pipeline | sgeigerbot: s/many/3/ |
| 22:27.48 | Delph | pipeline: so you're of the opinion that hardware is only getting faster because coding standards are going down =;) |
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| 22:28.17 | kandalf | once SATA is installed wich drive has to be set as root fs on fstab? |
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| 22:28.40 | fabietto | pipeline: i'm googling to find the answer to this problem... when you speak about "kernel arguments" are you refering to the parameters to set inside the boot loader (lilo, in this case)? |
| 22:28.41 | pipeline | Delph: Well, that's not quite what I meant. To paraphrase Alan kay, in absolute terms, we have about 10,000 times the computing power on our desktops that we did in 1980. We get about 50x performance on a lot of benchmarks. That's a hell of a performance hit. |
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| 22:29.08 | pipeline | fabietto: Yes. apm=on, acpi=off et al |
| 22:29.12 | Delph | pipeline: i know =:) that and i hope you're not talking about my dad >.< |
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| 22:29.39 | fabietto | pipeline: ok, so i can try to set "apm=on" into the first section of /etc/lilo.conf, right? |
| 22:29.42 | pipeline | Delph: Your father is the famous Alan Kay? |
| 22:29.50 | Delph | no; he's Allen Kaye. |
| 22:29.50 | pipeline | fabietto: I have no idea, I don't do the lilo thing. |
| 22:30.16 | Delph | close enough to be mistaken in a dark room. |
| 22:30.16 | pipeline | Delph: http://acmqueue.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=273 |
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| 22:30.27 | Ryushin | Well, finally migrated to kernel 2.6 on my thinkpad. All the patches exist now to make it as functional at 2.4. Even got captive-ntfs working. |
| 22:30.41 | Bizarro_paco | hi everyone |
| 22:31.30 | kandalf | cafuego, do I have to change anything on fstab? I have get a kernel panic unable to mount root fs after loading SATA drivers |
| 22:31.41 | superSSS | I am trying to install debian on a PA-RISC, when initializing linux partition as ext3 inode tables 26/31 inodes, then it hangs, what could be the error? Is it damaged HDD? |
| 22:31.46 | Bizarro_paco | i have sarge, and i am having trouble installing ndiswrapper...i have a wpc54g wireless card going toa belki router. i cannot seem to get ndiswrapper to recognize my card |
| 22:31.49 | jstevens | Bizarro_paco welcome to the small channel |
| 22:32.09 | mrhemlock | superSSS: maybe a bad block on disk ? |
| 22:32.22 | superSSS | mrhemlock: badblocks passed well |
| 22:32.58 | jstevens | Bizarro_paco: that sounds familiar, I had that problem. then I returned the broadcom card. |
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| 22:33.24 | pipeline | superSSS: Checked your cabling? :P |
| 22:33.28 | cafuego | Bizarro_paco: Well, it IS a windows driver. Get a decent piece of hardware. |
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| 22:33.40 | pipeline | superSSS: Are the SCSI ports on the back terminated? |
| 22:33.55 | bob2 | Bizarro_paco: try asking on the ndiswrapper list |
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| 22:34.13 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego, i thought ndiswrapper would alllow me to run a windows based driver |
| 22:34.25 | cafuego | kandalf: Boot with root=/dev/sda1 or somesuch. (and don't compile it as module!) - and yeah, include scsi disk support. |
| 22:34.29 | shingoki | is there a non-evil way to install a package without meeting its requirements? |
| 22:34.34 | pipeline | Bizarro_paco: It's pretty hit or miss. Buy an orinoco or something on ebay. This FreeBSD man page has a partial list of well-supported cards http://tinyurl.com/58wzq |
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| 22:34.40 | PerfDave | Bizarro_paco: Depends on the Windows-based driver, not all of them are ndiswrapper compatiable. |
| 22:34.46 | PerfDave | shingoki: What are you actually trying to do? |
| 22:34.47 | cafuego | Bizarro_paco: And you thought this was a good or satisfactory solution? |
| 22:35.19 | superSSS | pipeline: hdd is an old scsi 50 pin |
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| 22:35.30 | kandalf | cafuego, thanks, It is not compiled as module. |
| 22:35.33 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego, yes i did..there seem to be a number sites who have linux users who have my card and who have made it work..makes me feel inept at computers. |
| 22:35.54 | shingoki | PerfDave, mkvtoolnix is a package for some tools, which CAN use flac and a GUI, which would then need wx toolkit and libflac latest versions. But I am willing to bet that since I am using command line and no flac, it won't actually miss them |
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| 22:36.10 | pipeline | superSSS: What of it? |
| 22:36.17 | shingoki | PerfDave, so I would like to do something like make a new package that doesn't have the requirements, and just see if the command line still works |
| 22:36.23 | doub | is there some kind of small SMTP server program that would transmit all of its input to a real SMTP server (in this case postfix) for treatment, available in debian? |
| 22:36.32 | PerfDave | shingoki: Why not just install FLAC? |
| 22:36.33 | shingoki | PerfDave, it is an unofficial package anyway |
| 22:36.35 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego, could it be that my router isn't supported? |
| 22:36.43 | shingoki | PerfDave, it needs libflac6 |
| 22:36.44 | cafuego | Bizarro_paco: i have a belkin card that requires ndiswrapper. it 'works' but it 'works' really slowly and by eating many cpu cycles. Supported hardware is always a better idea. |
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| 22:36.50 | shingoki | PerfDave, which is only in unstable |
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| 22:37.03 | PerfDave | shingoki: You could backport the library, or probably install it direct on Sarge. |
| 22:37.12 | superSSS | pipeline: and the HDD gets so warm you cant touch it, that isnt normal |
| 22:37.16 | cafuego | not to mention that ndiswrapper doesn't seem to support monitor mode. |
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| 22:37.19 | shingoki | PerfDave, yes I think it would be ok, I just wante dto check which way of doing that was least evil |
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| 22:37.24 | cafuego | And what use is wifi if you can't go wardriving? |
| 22:37.28 | PerfDave | shingoki: There are several approaches you can use. |
| 22:37.30 | quentusrex | I have just purchased a copy protected cd and I can't listen to it in linux. Please help me. |
| 22:37.34 | natasiel | salut walnuck |
| 22:37.34 | shingoki | PerfDave, cool |
| 22:37.39 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego, did you put one or two files when you did the "ndiswrapper-i"? |
| 22:37.45 | pipeline | superSSS: Sounds pretty normal to me |
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| 22:37.51 | PerfDave | quentusrex: take it back to the shop, get a refund, write to the shop, the band and the record label to complain. |
| 22:37.52 | pipeline | superSSS: What model is this? |
| 22:37.59 | cafuego | Bizarro_paco: Just one .sys |
| 22:38.03 | walnuck | i'd like to cdrecord a dvdimage to a dvddrive, i'm not sure what do do, anybody? |
| 22:38.11 | cafuego | Bizarro_paco: Mine is a DIFFERENT card though. |
| 22:38.12 | shingoki | quentusrex, yeah plus it isn't a "cd" it is just a silver disc, if it was sold as a CD they have to give you a refund |
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| 22:38.19 | walnuck | i mean on cdrecord cmd |
| 22:38.22 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego..i know |
| 22:38.32 | quentusrex | is there any way I can listen to it? |
| 22:38.37 | PerfDave | shingoki: You can backport flac6, which might be the easiest option, but may break other things. You can use "equivs" to tell apt that that package is installed, but again that's systemwide and may confuse other stuff, or you can hand-edit the .deb and change its dependencies, but I have no idea how you'd go about it. |
| 22:38.40 | cafuego | Or did i pass the .inf? |
| 22:38.42 | quentusrex | I would really enjoy listening to it. |
| 22:38.44 | shingoki | quentusrex, if you are in the US it would probably be illegal |
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| 22:38.51 | PerfDave | quentusrex: Download it off Kazaa or something. |
| 22:38.57 | quentusrex | shingoki, I'm in South Korea. |
| 22:39.02 | quentusrex | It's no illegal. |
| 22:39.07 | PerfDave | quentusrex: Take it back to the shop, and kick up a fuss. Stop people spreading these non-CDs around the place. |
| 22:39.14 | shingoki | PerfDave, yeah I didn't want to break other stuff by having fake packages or forcing, so I guess I will look for tools to fiddle with deb files |
| 22:39.20 | cafuego | quentusrex: Does it have the 'Compact Disc' logo on it? |
| 22:39.26 | shingoki | quentusrex, if you are sure it is legal, try cdex |
| 22:39.33 | superSSS | pipeline: western digital wde 4360 |
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| 22:39.42 | shingoki | quentusrex, or another cd ripping program, rip it to WAV, then recreate the CD |
| 22:39.54 | shingoki | quentusrex, but it is best to complain, then maybe they will do something |
| 22:40.11 | gurubie | How do I remove all the "Error; Removed ' " messages with the 2.6.10 Kernel? |
| 22:40.29 | PerfDave | One major record label (Sony IIRC) has already stopped using non-CDs after complaints from customers, so it *does* have an effect. |
| 22:41.02 | shingoki | PerfDave, wow thats great |
| 22:41.04 | quentusrex | is there a way to listen to it? |
| 22:41.07 | cafuego | if they can rip me off, I think I can rip them off by just downloading it from someone. |
| 22:41.14 | shingoki | the trouble with non-cd's is that they make ipods a bit pointless |
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| 22:41.31 | PerfDave | shingoki: I don't have an iPod, and wouldn't get one, so that's not a problem for me ;) |
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| 22:41.47 | doub | cafuego: these aren't CDs, they don't conform to the CD-DA standard. they are not allowed to carry the "Compact Disc" logo |
| 22:41.48 | shingoki | iPod is great :) |
| 22:41.48 | PerfDave | cafuego: I buy CDs from non-RIAA/BPI-affiliated labels, which don't have copy protection. |
| 22:42.06 | cafuego | doub: yeah, that's why I asked. |
| 22:42.06 | PerfDave | shingoki: I don't agree with giving Apple money. |
| 22:42.23 | shingoki | cafuego, also I think if anyone helps you listen to your CD they may also be breaking the law |
| 22:42.30 | shingoki | if they are in the US or Europe |
| 22:42.36 | shingoki | welcome to the police-state-world |
| 22:42.38 | PerfDave | cafuego: I was pleased to discover that In The Nursery ( http://www.inthenursery.com/ ) have their entire back catalogue purchasable as 192kbps, non-DRM mp3s from their website for reasonable prices. |
| 22:43.00 | PerfDave | cafuego: But I tend to go for stuff from Ressurection Records or Wasp Factory Records. |
| 22:43.09 | shingoki | PerfDave, why? Apple aren't that bad |
| 22:43.12 | superSSS | pipeline: it hanged 3 times on node 26 out of 31 |
| 22:43.14 | cafuego | PerfDave: The problem there is that even IF they are real CDs, I'm not allowed to make backups, so if they get stolen from the car, I need to re-purchase them (I'm not allowed to re-burn from MP3) |
| 22:43.27 | shingoki | cafuego, DMCA? |
| 22:43.34 | PerfDave | cafuego: Ah, I don't think that applies in the UK. |
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| 22:43.35 | cafuego | shingoki: australia, worse. |
| 22:43.55 | cafuego | shingoki: pretty much the DMCA with retarded local shit tacked on. |
| 22:43.58 | shingoki | cafuego, oh you guys really got messed over. Was that the recent thing? |
| 22:44.08 | PerfDave | shingoki: Uhm, Apple massively support Digital Restrictions Management with iTunes Music Store and their crippled AAC files. I don't believe in supporting that. |
| 22:44.08 | shingoki | cafuego, that you got forced to take in free trade negotiations? |
| 22:44.22 | cafuego | shingoki: yeah, our minister for information is a complete fuckwit. |
| 22:44.28 | shingoki | PerfDave, but Apple are the nice side of DRM, they are DRM that lets you do decent stuff |
| 22:44.43 | shingoki | PerfDave, I don't mind that - it is the stuff like DMCA that makes computers illegal that I hate, and that is the RIAA |
| 22:44.51 | cafuego | shingoki: Australia welcomes any chance it has to get fucked in the ass by the US. There's no force needed, we have an idiot felcher for a prime minister. |
| 22:44.51 | shingoki | PerfDave, I don't think the RIAA like Apple at all |
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| 22:45.00 | doub | isn't DMCA a "hammer on whomever we want" kind of law, like it's a broad one which is enforced only to please the right people at the right time? |
| 22:45.01 | PerfDave | shingoki: No, they're not the "nice side of DRM". There is no right side of DRM. |
| 22:45.13 | shingoki | cafuego, yeah. But also the US told you you could go to hell if you didn't enact the DMCA-clone |
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| 22:45.30 | jethro | howdi |
| 22:45.36 | wvukro | so I'm a Debian system using a RAID 1 for data. One of the disks failed. The machine reboots, and now it's mad. How do I remove the bad disk from the /etc/raidtab without losing data? |
| 22:45.38 | shingoki | PerfDave, course there is. Copyright is quite a reasonable thing, and protecting it is reasonable, but people must be permitted to backup, share a reasonable amount, etc. |
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| 22:45.43 | wvukro | I currently don't have another disk to put in the machine. |
| 22:45.43 | doub | ... and broad enough to be enforced at quite anytime related to computer or electronics |
| 22:45.48 | shingoki | PerfDave, Apple allow that kind of thing |
| 22:45.54 | wvukro | So I basically need to configure things like RAID 1 with only 1 disk. |
| 22:45.59 | paulswm | Hi jethro |
| 22:46.00 | PerfDave | shingoki: No, Apple stop you from doing things which you are legally permitted to do with stuff that you buy. |
| 22:46.07 | shingoki | PerfDave, its all this crap about it being illegal to even try to touch copyright protection that is so bad |
| 22:46.09 | jethro | hi paulswm |
| 22:46.13 | pipeline | superSSS: My guess would be that it's a hardware issue, most likely cabling. Do you have anything but the hard drive on the same SCSI chain? Is the SCSI expansion on the back of the machine terminated? |
| 22:46.16 | shingoki | PerfDave, well, ok thats not so good ;) |
| 22:46.40 | PerfDave | shingoki: Apple have used DRM to one-sidedly change the terms under which iTMS files were purchased, post purchase. They lock third-party software out of the iPod. They block out competing vendors, and they enforce different pricing in different countries. |
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| 22:46.51 | shingoki | doub, yeah DMCA is one of those magic laws that you can just hurt people with to make a point |
| 22:47.01 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego, when you installed your driver, did it say something like "driver installed, hardware detected"? |
| 22:47.12 | shingoki | PerfDave, yeah ok it's not perfect, but it is still waaay better than what anyone else offers |
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| 22:47.23 | PerfDave | shingoki: Bollocks. There are plenty of places to buy DRM-free tunes. |
| 22:47.26 | cafuego | Bizarro_paco: I can't rememebr, I only used it for a short time because I'd forgotten to bring a real orinoco. |
| 22:47.38 | doub | shingoki: and US is the country that enforces "democracy" all around the world? hum. |
| 22:47.41 | shingoki | PerfDave, if it wasn't for apple, it would be copy-protected CD's, or some weird "rent crappy 96kbps files at a weekly rate" thing |
| 22:47.58 | PerfDave | shingoki: I'm not opposed to copyright, I'm opposed to DRM. It strips away your rights to do what you want with things you've bought, it does nothing to stop piracy, and it makes my life hassle. |
| 22:48.17 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego, i thought linxus was a great wireless card |
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| 22:48.25 | shingoki | PerfDave, well I tend to agree... but I suppose I distinguish between slightly evil (apple) and super-evil (everyone else) ;) |
| 22:48.27 | PerfDave | shingoki: I doubt it. It's not like many people use iTunes, on a global scale. And we have crappy 96kbps files and copy-protected CDs anyway. I don't buy those either. |
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| 22:48.57 | cafuego | Bizarro_paco: That wouldn't necessarily mean it was supported. |
| 22:48.57 | PerfDave | shingoki: Apple are only "slightly evil" because they're small. If they were the size of, say, Microsoft, they'd be just as bad if not worse. |
| 22:49.06 | shingoki | PerfDave, in the downloadable music market, they are pretty big |
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| 22:49.25 | PerfDave | shingoki: Not that big. |
| 22:49.27 | shingoki | PerfDave, but yeah I am of the belief that any corp will become evil past a certain size |
| 22:49.34 | Bizarro_paco | cafuego, iat least you got yours to work...myslef, i feel like a big loser cause i have been working on this for like a month and i cant even get the lights to turn on |
| 22:49.51 | solomonn | semi-ot: aren't sata drives ata150? my fresh sid install on this sata drive has set it to ata100 |
| 22:50.02 | PerfDave | shingoki: See, I don't see why you should give money to even slightly evil companies when there are non-evil alternatives. Supporting slightly evil companies encourages them to become more evil, because they realise that they can get away with it. |
| 22:50.05 | shingoki | PerfDave, what can you do though? In the long term we are all screwed anyway, might as well enjoy pretty hardware and semi-reasonable prices and rights while we can |
| 22:50.18 | superSSS | pipeline: scsi is only for that HDD, since its a parisc machine, not the usual PC cabling |
| 22:50.20 | PerfDave | shingoki: You can buy from companies who aren't out to fuck you in the arse. |
| 22:50.23 | shingoki | PerfDave, give it 10 years, trusted computing will have locked us all out of any PC hardware |
| 22:50.32 | Delph | shingoki: that's crap. |
| 22:50.32 | pipeline | shingoki: "trusted computing" is dead in the water. |
| 22:50.37 | doub | PerfDave: that's not much related, one can be big and powerfull yet not evil. that's a matter of choice. but for shure capitalism forces those who want to be big and powerfull to be evil, too |
| 22:50.41 | shingoki | PerfDave, yeah but no one else will, and even if you do, they will just legislate to force you to use the evil stuff ;) |
| 22:50.43 | Delph | shingoki: we're only screwed because people like you bend over and ask for it. =:/ |
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| 22:50.47 | PerfDave | shingoki: If you go around supporting DRM now, it may well be. |
| 22:50.59 | pipeline | shingoki: Also, PC hardware is cheap because it's flexible enough for scale economies to handle the nasty shit. Specializing it will make it impossibly expensive. |
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| 22:51.16 | pipeline | doub: Capitalism in no way forces anyone to be evil. Men work evil because they can, not because they are forced to. |
| 22:51.17 | shingoki | pipeline, not if they can buy the legislation to make TC mandatory |
| 22:51.26 | PerfDave | shingoki: Bullshit. Nobody forces me to buy CDs or music files from DRM-suppoirting companies. |
| 22:51.28 | shingoki | I mean look, they got the DMCA through, and it is still there |
| 22:51.34 | gnufan | trying to build a package from the debian sources for gnome-chess. It builds okay but on running it fails with assertion issue relating to font. Is there a quick way to map from the font name in glade to the font file it will be looking for. Or does the Font != NULL not mean what I'm thinking? |
| 22:51.53 | shingoki | PerfDave, yeah buit there can and will be legislation mandating DRM because non-DRM will encourage terrorists or some crap |
| 22:51.56 | pipeline | doub: To go into greater detail, to say that capitalism forces men to be evil is a tautology. Capitalism is in itself men working evil. |
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| 22:52.13 | pipeline | shingoki: The market for commodity hardware isn't just the U.S., bud. |
| 22:52.16 | PerfDave | shingoki: I doubt it. We can cross that bridge when we come to it, and that's no reason to support DRM *now*. |
| 22:52.18 | Azra``el | pipeline, all religions are sir |
| 22:52.27 | shingoki | Delgul_at_work, I'm not exactly bending over and asking for it, I do what I can to get everyone I know to use free software, at home and work... I guess I should boycott apple too, but it would be hard ;) |
| 22:52.35 | holycow | you know, seriously, debian kicks ass |
| 22:52.48 | pipeline | shingoki: China alone has an arguably larger market than the United States, and you know very well that sort of shit won't fly there. |
| 22:52.48 | shingoki | oops that was to Delph not Delgul_at_work |
| 22:52.49 | holycow | by and hp laserjet, plug it in, select printer via gnome, done. |
| 22:52.49 | paulswm | !prize holycow |
| 22:52.56 | PerfDave | Boycotting Apple is not hard. Not buying CDs from the RIAA is not hard. It's easier not to spend money than to spend money. |
| 22:52.56 | shingoki | pipeline, China has been at least putting on a show of hardening up on copyright |
| 22:52.59 | Azra``el | !price everyone |
| 22:53.02 | holycow | lol paulswm |
| 22:53.03 | Azra``el | !prize everyone |
| 22:53.08 | Delph | shingoki: I don't buy apple ipods because they encourage throw-away society. |
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| 22:53.08 | Azra``el | yay! |
| 22:53.19 | shingoki | Delph, how is ipod throwaway? |
| 22:53.20 | pipeline | shingoki: Copyright will end eventually, as it becomes increasingly impractical. |
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| 22:53.25 | Delph | equally, i dont buy new shoelaces because my old ones do fine. |
| 22:53.27 | paulswm | !prise Azra``el |
| 22:53.28 | shingoki | Delph, ipod+itunes = far less polycarbonate ;) |
| 22:53.31 | paulswm | heh |
| 22:53.34 | shingoki | I dunno |
| 22:53.38 | shingoki | GPL relies on copyright |
| 22:53.40 | Delph | shingoki: the return policy on an ipod is throw it away and give out a new one. |
| 22:53.42 | PerfDave | I buy new shoelaces when my old ones break. |
| 22:53.44 | pipeline | shingoki: The world did without copyright for centuries; it was a short-lived social compact. |
| 22:53.54 | shingoki | as people have said, it is DRM and patents that are the real problem, NOT copyright |
| 22:53.57 | lu | hey all, what is a good utility program to check to see if your drive is failing and defragmented? |
| 22:53.57 | doub | pipeline: i didn't say it forces every men to be evil, only those who want to fully comply with the system and go far within it, say microsoft |
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| 22:54.14 | Delph | copyright is a good idea. |
| 22:54.17 | pipeline | shingoki: And, you're right, the end of meaningful copyright may deal a death blow to open source. Nevertheless, it's inevitable. |
| 22:54.17 | shingoki | Delph, hm... I bet it is still far less waste that involved in making and distributing CD's |
| 22:54.19 | Delph | patenting is a bad idea. |
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| 22:54.33 | shingoki | copyright is fine, been around for ages, can carry on, its just a good idea |
| 22:54.34 | Delph | shingoki: yes, but a device with replacable, duplicatable, repairable parts? |
| 22:54.36 | PerfDave | Capitalism forces people to be evil, in a way. It's hard for a non-evil company to compete with an evil company. |
| 22:54.37 | shingoki | should be limited life though |
| 22:54.37 | lu | my drive is gradually getting slower, annd slower no matter what i enable in hdparm |
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| 22:54.50 | _2ri | hi |
| 22:54.52 | shingoki | copyright for even 10 years would be very little different in terms of letting people make money |
| 22:54.52 | MobyTurbo | Delph: to be more specific, patenting ideas, software and business methods, are evil. |
| 22:55.02 | Delph | MobyTurbo: what else can you patent =:) |
| 22:55.02 | Azra``el | heh |
| 22:55.05 | pipeline | doub: Capitalism is institutionalized theft. The corporation is a massive robbery ring. |
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| 22:55.22 | shingoki | yeah patents are definitely evil and wrong. drugs could probably still be developed just based on copyright adapted for drug designs |
| 22:55.26 | _2ri | shouldn't I be able to log into alioth with my DD account? |
| 22:55.28 | Delph | inventions? stupid idea to be advantaged because you thought it up first. |
| 22:55.32 | shingoki | patents for most other stuff are just a waste of time |
| 22:55.38 | pipeline | shingoki: Copyright is a very nice idea in theory. In reality, copying and publishing material has become so cheap, I can't see how it can possibly stand. |
| 22:55.38 | lu | Hmm, well i think you all are talking about crony capitalism, if there is an economist out there please set me straight |
| 22:55.47 | pipeline | lu: Actually, I am an economist. |
| 22:55.51 | sobersabre | hello. |
| 22:55.58 | Delph | pipeline: uhhm |
| 22:56.10 | lu | i'm cheap too, but do you actually have papers? |
| 22:56.15 | lu | lol |
| 22:56.17 | shingoki | pipeline, its not the issue of publishing, it is the issue of allowing the author to sell first - copyright could work better now, since people can publish by themselves, and advertise by word of mouth and talent |
| 22:56.20 | Delph | pipeline: nothing about the pricing model detracts from the fact that you're asserting your right to be identified as the writer /composer of that thing. |
| 22:56.32 | holycow | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.42 | shingoki | pipeline, protection is the issue really, DRM is not the right way, but I have no idea how you stop unauthorised copying |
| 22:56.56 | Delph | no; it's random splurge from someone who likes repeating anticapitalist systems. |
| 22:57.05 | shingoki | capitalism is inevitable, but it is not inevitable that EVERYTHING should be expressed in economic terms |
| 22:57.07 | pipeline | Delph: What is your right, as writer of a "thing" ? I think you may be confusing plagiarism with copyright. The former deals with ownership, the latter with publishing. |
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| 22:57.19 | shingoki | for example, you can't (currently) buy a person's freedom of will |
| 22:57.19 | Delph | shingoki: you accept that your buisness model has to go back to the physical world. |
| 22:57.28 | holycow | shingoki, that would depend on whether or not you believe things that can be copyrighted belong to the culture or the author |
| 22:57.29 | lu | anwayez, the populist proletariat would like to know how to make debian. check the hardrive pls. |
| 22:57.41 | Delph | shingoki: compare records, which initially only were there to encourage people to see groups live. |
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| 22:57.49 | shingoki | holycow, I would say to the author for say 10 years, then to the culture |
| 22:57.50 | Empty | under 3.0 (2.4 kernel) how do I add a module to be probed on boot? |
| 22:57.57 | shingoki | the culture can wait 10 years |
| 22:58.00 | Delph | lu: define slower. Please go back in time and make quantitive tests =;P |
| 22:58.01 | holycow | shingoki, i agree |
| 22:58.07 | shingoki | imagine if everything 10 years old was in the public domain? |
| 22:58.11 | sobersabre | guys. usb keyboard which is also a usb hub ... silitek chipset... why won't it work ? |
| 22:58.12 | pipeline | Delph: I like rattling cages with bold statements. People tend not to think about economics very often. |
| 22:58.18 | shingoki | but people would still buy the latest brittney |
| 22:58.26 | lu | hdparm -Tt /dev/hda was around 20mb/sec, now it's 3mb/sec |
| 22:58.26 | _2ri | Empty: probed? modules in /etc/modules are just loaded |
| 22:58.31 | shingoki | everyone would be happy, not like current crazy steamboat-willy-law |
| 22:58.32 | holycow | shingoki, lol, they would too *nod* |
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| 22:58.36 | pipeline | sobersabre: I have several Silitek USB keyboards. I plug them in, they work. How old is the host system? Perhaps it has a USB 1.0 controller instead of 1.1 |
| 22:58.43 | Empty | err loaded, yeah. |
| 22:58.46 | Delph | pipeline: no; i'm asserting the right of the person who has developed an implementation of an idea to profit from that implementation. |
| 22:58.56 | lu | I went through permutations of hdparm, and non improvements made |
| 22:58.57 | shingoki | yeah |
| 22:59.00 | sobersabre | it has ehci controller. |
| 22:59.02 | lu | i think the drive is going |
| 22:59.03 | shingoki | its all about the implementation, not the idea |
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| 22:59.06 | Delph | this covers both plagarism, and publishing, in some form. |
| 22:59.07 | Empty | shingoki, everyone in this channel might be happy |
| 22:59.14 | pipeline | Delph: Hah. Just a moment ago, you claimed that it had nothing to do with pricing models. |
| 22:59.29 | Delph | pipeline: that's up to how the person benifits from the idea, silly. |
| 22:59.31 | nvz | did someone /part me from #debian and /j me to #politics? |
| 22:59.32 | lu | do you knonw of a utility for hardrive checking, and defragmentation? |
| 22:59.35 | sobersabre | pipeline: is there a way to make it work (without upgrading the USB controller ... which is soldered to the MoBo ) ? |
| 22:59.47 | lu | we are talking about econometrics |
| 22:59.49 | pipeline | Delph: I think copyright is a freight train to failure. I can't believe that it will survive the next few decades. That's both a wonderful and a terrible thing. |
| 22:59.52 | mrhemlock | why not make a channel to discuss copyright law, this is #debain |
| 22:59.52 | Empty | lu, linux FSes do not fragment the way MS ones do |
| 22:59.55 | Delph | pipeline: the fact that you can't stop people copying your work doesn't mean that you have to give it away free. |
| 22:59.57 | nvz | !yinzersmite lu |
| 22:59.57 | shingoki | we should all take this to politics, seriously |
| 22:59.59 | pipeline | sobersabre: I don't know that that's the problem, that was merely a hypothesis. |
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| 23:00.09 | pipeline | Delph: No, because someone else will do it whether you like it or not. |
| 23:00.24 | Delph | pipeline: the answer is to find a pricing model that encourages this copying, and rewards where neccessary. |
| 23:00.26 | Empty | mrhemlock, Debian is pretty tightly in the trenches of the copyright wars... |
| 23:00.33 | sobersabre | pipeline: the keyboard is recognised by HID as 2 devices: HP Multimedia Keyboard and a hub |
| 23:00.43 | sobersabre | but it doesn't work! |
| 23:00.45 | pipeline | Delph: When the publishing cost approaches zero, I don't know where there's room for profit. |
| 23:00.47 | Delph | mrhemlock: and it's debian, not debain. |
| 23:00.49 | lu | right, but i do believe that there is fragmentation |
| 23:01.02 | Delph | pipeline: ffs, get out of the old world of economics. |
| 23:01.04 | lu | and I'm sure there is a utlity to manage bad drives |
| 23:01.12 | pipeline | Delph: I suppose you could attempt to make money the way audio vendors do in China: Sell it with nicer packaging than the pirates. |
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| 23:01.30 | Delph | pipeline: indeed. and 90p per DVD instead of the 60p from the pirates. |
| 23:01.34 | shingoki | pipeline, you just need to make it slightly easier to get, super cheap, and give a little karma |
| 23:01.45 | shingoki | pipeline, then sell a crapload of stuff |
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| 23:01.47 | pipeline | Delph: In economics, it's more a question of old vs. older rather than old vs. new ;) |
| 23:01.50 | lu | well, if you all believe in Adam smith's basic theorum/laws then you will all agree that Copyright is evil. But capitalism is good. |
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| 23:02.04 | shingoki | you can;t just say capitalism is good |
| 23:02.05 | PerfDave | Depends on your definition of "capitalism" ;) |
| 23:02.07 | Delph | lu: adam smith is a bit of a trollop. That and out of date. |
| 23:02.19 | holycow | lu, what is the shorthand of what asmith proposes again? |
| 23:02.22 | pipeline | shingoki: That's pretty much how it works in China. Copyright law is more or less meaningless. Record companies make money just by making their product with nicer packaging. |
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| 23:02.26 | shingoki | capitalism - use of money, necessary for ensuring you don't need to carry gold around everywhere with you |
| 23:02.29 | PerfDave | Yeah, we should give tax cuts to the rich so the poor people buy CDs. Go Reaganomics go! |
| 23:02.37 | lu | sure I can, and to say Adam smith is out of date it's like saying that algebra is out of date |
| 23:02.45 | shingoki | capitalism - use of money for EVERYTHING, you can buy a human life |
| 23:02.46 | pipeline | lu: Don't ever say anything like that again. Smith is like Voltaire: Quaint, interesting, irrelevant. Do you quote Newton in discussions of chemistry? |
| 23:02.48 | shingoki | which one do you mean? |
| 23:02.50 | bob2 | come on |
| 23:02.52 | Empty | lu that's very very funny |
| 23:02.55 | bob2 | this seems a bit off-topic |
| 23:02.57 | thorie | im trying to run a program, but it keeps saying "libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file" ... how can I fix this? |
| 23:03.07 | bob2 | ~+libstdc++.so.5 |
| 23:03.10 | holycow | shingoki, i think the word capitalism skews our understanding of commerce |
| 23:03.13 | shingoki | no one is talking in politics, we should go there |
| 23:03.17 | holycow | money is nothing more than a battery |
| 23:03.23 | shingoki | this is a fascinating discussion etc. but not here |
| 23:03.23 | pipeline | Money is many things |
| 23:03.23 | Delph | TO #politics!!! |
| 23:03.27 | bob2 | thorie: your program is built wrong |
| 23:03.29 | shingoki | i will answer you in politics holycow |
| 23:03.31 | holycow | we convert labour energy into money |
| 23:03.32 | lu | we weren't talking about ethics here |
| 23:03.36 | holycow | oh sorry |
| 23:03.38 | nvz | man when my spider gets out tonight,its got its work cut out for it.. had various incects dropping by for lunch all afternoon.. they seem to be "hanging around" for dinner though since the spider is out right now |
| 23:03.39 | holycow | haha i'll stop |
| 23:03.40 | bob2 | thorie: get whoever gave it to you to compile it so it will work on your woody system |
| 23:03.45 | lu | And newton is relavent to chemistry |
| 23:03.47 | shingoki | join #politics though ;) |
| 23:03.54 | Delph | ->> move it. |
| 23:04.08 | thorie | bob2: its a game, i dont think they can recompile it for me |
| 23:04.09 | pipeline | lu: Newton honestly believed in alchemy. |
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| 23:04.16 | lu | so |
| 23:04.18 | bob2 | thorie: then you need to run sarge or sid |
| 23:04.21 | bob2 | at least in a chroot |
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| 23:04.28 | lu | http://www.lucidcafe.com/library/96jun/smith.html for the adamsmithers |
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| 23:04.44 | thorie | can I upgrade to sarge or sid without rebooting? |
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| 23:04.56 | PerfDave | thorie: You can't upgrade to sid, sid is not an upgrade ;) |
| 23:05.05 | lu | Alchemists were the schizniatch at the time. |
| 23:05.06 | thorie | ? ? ???? |
| 23:05.06 | |ac3 | in what directory should i place my own certs? /etc/ssl/private ? |
| 23:05.08 | bob2 | thorie: yeah, but then you're running debian unstable and you can't go back |
| 23:05.11 | PerfDave | thorie: You should be able to, but you'll at least want to log out of X or whatever. |
| 23:05.13 | paulswm | sid == Walk On The Wild Side |
| 23:05.14 | PerfDave | !sid upgrade |
| 23:05.14 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 23:05.16 | lu | Kernel hackers of yester year |
| 23:05.17 | thorie | I don't run X |
| 23:05.22 | thorie | I run screen, vim, and bash :) |
| 23:05.25 | PerfDave | thorie: Why do you want to "upgrade"? |
| 23:05.26 | |ac3 | what dir is the default in debian to use? |
| 23:05.27 | sobersabre | guys. strange bug with usb kbd. : under 2.4 kbd works. under w2k3 - too. but under 2.6 - nada! |
| 23:05.38 | thorie | PerfDave: so i can run that executable that requires libstdc++ |
| 23:05.39 | bob2 | |ac3: I don't think there is one |
| 23:05.44 | bob2 | sobersabre: need to be way more specific |
| 23:05.45 | Delph | lu: wrong channel. |
| 23:05.47 | PerfDave | thorie: Backport it? |
| 23:05.47 | |ac3 | ah |
| 23:05.50 | Delph | we be elsewhere now. |
| 23:05.56 | thorie | PerfDave: no source code... it's a video game |
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| 23:06.12 | lu | ok, back to my question. how do i check my drive for it's health and over all quality of life? |
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| 23:06.13 | thorie | PerfDave: america's army: special forces |
| 23:06.13 | sobersabre | bob2: hp (SK-2056U chipset) usb keyboard. |
| 23:06.19 | PerfDave | thorie: I meant backport libstdc++ |
| 23:06.30 | thorie | PerfDave: ohhhhhhh... ok |
| 23:06.31 | chugga | i apt-get' installed a few gtk themes but they arent showing up gtk-theme-changer any ideas/ |
| 23:06.35 | nvz | lu: give it power, if it still purrs like a kitten its fine |
| 23:06.38 | thorie | PerfDave: what's that website with the backports? |
| 23:06.50 | thorie | PerfDave: debian-backports.org or something like that |
| 23:06.52 | nvz | lu: then run badblocks if you are paranoid |
| 23:07.04 | PerfDave | thorie: http://www.backports.org/ or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:07.08 | nvz | lu: install smart tools |
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| 23:07.25 | lu | smart tools: apt-get install smart tools? |
| 23:07.34 | bob2 | chugga: do you know the difference between gtk1 and 2? |
| 23:07.34 | jjazz | Debian lists azureus as a new package (at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html), but apt-cache search doesn't see it. Does this mean the package is coming soon? If not, what does it mean? The sourceforge site only has debs for an old version. |
| 23:07.37 | lu | thanks nvz, |
| 23:07.51 | chugga | bob2, yes, |
| 23:07.56 | bob2 | jjazz: it means it's not in Debian yet |
| 23:08.03 | nvz | lu: I dont know what its called, apt-cache search.. I just know there is SMART technology for hard drives that allows them to self-monitor and report |
| 23:08.05 | chugga | i think i found it, hold on. |
| 23:08.07 | Netcraft_ | good night |
| 23:08.10 | bob2 | jjazz: someone has uploaded it and it's waiting for aproval from the ftpmasters |
| 23:08.16 | thorie | there is no backport on backports.org for libstdc++ |
| 23:08.26 | prahal | hi i have read in the sg linux driver faq that /usr/include/linux is a symlink , on my heavily hacked sid it is not, can someone confirm that a clean install of debian set it up as a symlink or not ? thanks a lot |
| 23:08.29 | jjazz | bob2: So it's packaged, just not approved. How long before it gets approved? |
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| 23:08.46 | bob2 | jjazz: depends. probably a while at this point ( = weeks) |
| 23:08.59 | bob2 | thorie: you can't backport the basic C++ library |
| 23:09.02 | prahal | thorie: there is no point in backporting application if the libc and libstd are upgraded ... |
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| 23:09.09 | bob2 | prahal: no, it's not a symlink |
| 23:09.19 | bob2 | prahal: tha FAQ is old and ctrap and useless if it says it is |
| 23:09.19 | thorie | ok |
| 23:09.20 | michal_ | hi. anyone here use xen 2.0 packages by Adam Heath? I was curious about a few things. |
| 23:09.22 | thorie | i don't understand |
| 23:09.28 | prahal | thorie: the whole point of the backport is to make application work with old base libraries |
| 23:09.28 | thorie | what do I need to do in order to run this application ??? |
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| 23:09.34 | bob2 | thorie: if yo uwant to run it, you need sarge or sid |
| 23:09.38 | jjazz | bob2: OK. Thanks. So if I want the latest version, am I better off using alien with an RPM, or should I grab the java source and build it myself? |
| 23:09.41 | thorie | ok how do I get sarge or sid ?? |
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| 23:10.00 | bob2 | blah |
| 23:10.07 | k-man__ | anyone know of the deb of exim4 has the tls stuff un it? |
| 23:10.10 | k-man__ | in it? |
| 23:10.12 | Delph | jjazz: i'd be tempted to take source and pacakge it yourself =:) |
| 23:10.24 | tyranix | prahal: It's not a symlink here either. |
| 23:10.26 | bob2 | jjazz: I'd do it from source, myself, but it doesn't matter too much |
| 23:10.32 | jjazz | Delph: I've never made my own package before. |
| 23:10.35 | bob2 | prahal: it hasn't been a symlink since about 1999 |
| 23:10.41 | jjazz | bob2: Thanks much. |
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| 23:10.45 | Delph | jjazz: ooh, learning experience at the same time =:) |
| 23:10.46 | bob2 | jjazz: np |
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| 23:10.54 | prahal | thanks tyranix bob2 |
| 23:11.11 | jjazz | Delph: I'd rather get more mileage out of my old tricks than learn new ones. ;) |
| 23:11.14 | bob2 | k-man__: it Depends on libgnutls. |
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| 23:11.23 | bob2 | thorie: /msg dpkg woody->warge |
| 23:11.26 | bob2 | er, sarge. |
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| 23:11.40 | k-man__ | bob2, so... how do i tell if it will have the tls stuff in it? |
| 23:11.50 | CCC | anyone notice google is really ignorant |
| 23:12.01 | prahal | bob2: i used this faq http://sg.torque.net/sg/faq.html#%5B3.1%5D%20The%20compiler%20is%20picking%20up%20the%20wrong%20sg.h (2002) |
| 23:12.17 | bob2 | k-man__: huh? it has the "tls stuff in it". |
| 23:12.24 | bob2 | CCC: go away |
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| 23:12.44 | k-man__ | bob2, oh |
| 23:12.44 | k-man__ | ok |
| 23:12.55 | bob2 | that's what linking to gnutls means |
| 23:13.07 | prahal | bob2: but i found no reliable documentation (i mean real doc not linuxhelp comments) except this one (i also read the kernel source, changelogs entries stop in 2003 , though i know there where a lot of patches in cdrom.c since then) |
| 23:13.13 | nvz | that was easy |
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| 23:13.39 | k-man__ | thanks bob2 |
| 23:13.39 | chugga | ok now how do i make the font bigger |
| 23:13.45 | nvz | chugga: what font? |
| 23:13.51 | chugga | nvz, gtk2 |
| 23:13.54 | bob2 | prahal: I don't know what your real question is, but it is not and should not be a symlink |
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| 23:14.25 | k-man__ | what is the difference between exim4-daemon-heavy and exim4-daemon-light? |
| 23:14.35 | bob2 | chugga: gtk-theme-switch2 |
| 23:14.41 | asuffield | k-man__: read the damn descriptions, that's what they're for |
| 23:14.47 | bob2 | er, switch2 from gtk-theme-switch |
| 23:14.50 | sobersabre | k-man__ i think it's the weight. |
| 23:14.56 | nvz | chugga: add something like "gtk-font-name = "Verdana 12"" to your ~/.gtkrc-2.0 |
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| 23:15.33 | nvz | sobersabre: heh you think ? |
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| 23:16.43 | prahal | bob2: you answered my question (thanks again) , the faq was wrong (i already knew that /usr/include/scsi was not a symlink but as was told in 2002 by suse devel and sg kerenl devel , /usr/include/linux was still a symlink then) |
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| 23:16.59 | bob2 | ah |
| 23:17.15 | bob2 | nowadays it contains modified copies of the files from the kernel |
| 23:17.27 | asuffield | /usr/include/linux has *never* been a symlink except on broken systems |
| 23:17.32 | asuffield | that has *always* been wrong |
| 23:17.40 | chugga | nnw so i gotta do that for each font? nigga what .. |
| 23:17.47 | prahal | and so they used hacks like #include <linux/../scsi.h> to get the current kernel version of scsi headers :) pretty clever btw |
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| 23:19.08 | inc|freaky | is it allowed to copy the windows fonts to the linux ttf directory? |
| 23:19.20 | Blissex | chugga: but for a discussion of that, and a fair warning, have a look at: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/swhwAnnotations.html#050218 |
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| 23:21.32 | chugga | Blissex, cheers. i'lll check it out :) |
| 23:22.11 | jjazz | I have a .RAR of several wmv files. It was compressed on a win box. The archive uncompresses in win just fine, but on my debian box, both unrar and ark choke on it because of broken file headers. I don't know what program was used to compress them. Has anybody run into this and does anybody know a way to uncompress these files? Thanks. |
| 23:22.16 | prahal | inc|freaky: those that you buy or that where free, yes (most free ones are already packaged in debian) |
| 23:23.08 | prahal | inc|freaky: for the other you should check their copyright info, most will allow it |
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| 23:23.17 | PerfDave | jjazz: You probably need unrar-nonfree, because it was compressed with a recent (and patent-crippled IIRC) version of the rar algorithm. |
| 23:23.24 | PerfDave | jjazz: In future, use zip or gzip or bzip2 |
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| 23:24.13 | prahal | asuffield: i always though it (have a system will a glibc, applications and kernel compiled with the same headers |
| 23:24.40 | tyranix | jjazz: IIRC unrar (free) uses unrarlib.org which only supports RAR 3.0. You could try p7zip (in experimental or compile it yourself) which is a CLI port of the windows 7zip. I'm not sure where they get the rar support from. |
| 23:24.47 | asuffield | the kernel and glibc will almost never be build with the same headers, and do not need to be |
| 23:24.49 | jjazz | PerfDave: I didn't compress this stuff. My girlfriend did. And she uses whatever comes up when she right clicks. If she right clicks and a little icon of satan pops up and says "Shall I turn these files into an archive that will trigger armageddon upon uncompression?", she'd click ok. |
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| 23:24.57 | gnufan | where do the monospaced (? m not p in the name) adobe courier fonts come from..... |
| 23:25.09 | jjazz | tyranix: thanks |
| 23:25.11 | asuffield | applications must match the headers used by glibc, using the headers provided by glibc. they must not touch the kernel ones, which are wrong |
| 23:25.13 | paulswm | jjazz: heh, priceless |
| 23:25.24 | prahal | asuffield: but what shoudl i do when i am debugging an application and the driver its use (both buggy) |
| 23:25.34 | PerfDave | jjazz: You need to educate her better then. |
| 23:25.41 | jjazz | paulswm: funny because it's true |
| 23:25.46 | prahal | for what i know it could even be a bug in the ide transport layer ... |
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| 23:26.11 | tyranix | PerfDave: It's patented now? Yuck. I never liked rar mainly due to the source code license "you may not learn anything from this code". |
| 23:27.10 | prahal | should i compile this application with the old 2.4 kernel headers for the the kernel functions i want to debug (which are in 2.6) ? |
| 23:27.14 | jjazz | PerfDave: I gave up trying to change her ways on such matters a long time ago. Apparently the night we met (some 10 years ago), I was snooty to her about Windows or something. I don't remember the meeting (I was dating her roommate at the time and had no time for her), but ever since then she won't listen to any of my 'paranoid Windows nonsense'. |
| 23:27.27 | Azra``el | this has gone from a minor irritation |
| 23:27.34 | Azra``el | to substantial hillarity |
| 23:27.45 | PerfDave | jjazz: *shrug* I find a nice, thin, fibreglass riding crop does the trick nicely, should be about $15 from any good equestrian store. |
| 23:27.48 | Azra``el | "Greeting Card Making Shit For Linux" |
| 23:27.56 | Azra``el | anyone ever hear of such a critter? |
| 23:28.16 | airox | Sounds lame. |
| 23:28.33 | jjazz | PerfDave: Ha! I can just imagine trying to digest a fiberglass riding crop after she's fed it to me from the wrong end. *shudder* |
| 23:28.33 | prahal | jjazz: buy her xandros , she won't notice |
| 23:28.47 | prahal | tell her it is a longhorn beta :) |
| 23:28.49 | PerfDave | jjazz: You're clearly not approaching this from the right angle ;) |
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| 23:29.07 | Flimzy | When using transcode to convert a video file to DVD format, I read to use -j -16,-32,-16,-32 (which adds a 16-pixel border on the top/bottm and 32-pixel on the sides) so when playing on an NTSC TV, the entire valuable image is visible. It seems to me that doing this will distort the 4:3 aspect ratio. Is there any way to determine the actual amount of the image that's *not* visisble on an NTSC display, so I can determine more precise value |
| 23:29.10 | Flimzy | s to use here? |
| 23:29.23 | jjazz | prahal: Knoppix has crossed my mind. |
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| 23:29.56 | pasky | Hello. What package contains the glibc manual pages? (printf.3 and such) |
| 23:29.59 | jjazz | PerfDave: I think I'd rather have peace at home rather than a constant struggle for dominion. There's a reason why she has her computers and I have mine. |
| 23:30.06 | pasky | They suddenly disappeared from my system after an apt-get upgrade... :-( |
| 23:30.06 | pipeline | Flimzy: No. |
| 23:30.22 | jjazz | pasky: glibc-doc, perhaps? |
| 23:30.24 | PerfDave | jjazz: You need a better class of girlfriend, one that bows to your superior knowledge ;) |
| 23:30.26 | pipeline | Flimzy: That's a categorical no. You can usually assume that the top five and bottom five lines are not going to be vizible. |
| 23:30.29 | prahal | jjazz: sorry knoppix cannot be compared to xandros when you think about desktop (i hope for debian to do what xandros did in that area) |
| 23:30.33 | pasky | jjazz: that one doesn't contain them |
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| 23:30.41 | PerfDave | jjazz: Repeat after me: "It puts the lotion in the bucket or else it gets the hose again" |
| 23:30.43 | Blissex | Flimzy: things are fairly more complex than that. Do two things: use 'dvd::rip' as a frontend, and read carefully anything on the subject from doom9.net |
| 23:30.45 | jjazz | pasky: sorry, then |
| 23:30.46 | pipeline | Flimzy: But there's no real upper limit. NTSC tubes were expected to do "overscan" -- it's why some TV outs look so bad. |
| 23:30.48 | db101 | does anyone speak french here |
| 23:30.50 | PerfDave | !fr |
| 23:30.50 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
| 23:30.57 | airox | !! |
| 23:30.58 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 23:31.04 | airox | :-)) |
| 23:31.15 | jjazz | PerfDave: I have no idea what you're talking about. Lotion? Bucket? |
| 23:31.17 | Flimzy | Blissex: DVD::Rip doesn't support arbitrary input files. It only reads DVDs. |
| 23:31.18 | Azra``el | jjazz: dump her and find a linux chick, they exist. Or better, a BSD chick |
| 23:31.26 | PerfDave | jjazz: You clearly haven't seen "Silence of the Lambs" ;) |
| 23:31.31 | db101 | Bonjour est-il ce conseil de mère nouveau ou utilisé ? et dites-svp moi combien pour embarquer à Brampton, Ontario, Le Canada L6T4B6 et m'envoient également différents taux que j'ai un |
| 23:31.31 | db101 | besoin urgent de celui-ci ainsi envoyez-moi l'air expédié et les |
| 23:31.31 | db101 | postes aériennes régulières satisfont des mercis |
| 23:31.34 | prahal | pasky: manpages-dev if i recall well |
| 23:31.34 | jjazz | PerfDave: No, I've not. |
| 23:31.41 | Flimzy | Blissex: but I'll check out that site. thanks. |
| 23:31.42 | PerfDave | jjazz: Oh well, sorry. |
| 23:31.50 | airox | db101: wrong chan. |
| 23:32.02 | jjazz | Azra``el: She's a bit more important to me than Debian, but the day she's not, I'll follow your advice. ;) |
| 23:32.07 | PerfDave | My girlfriend likes Linux. She uses Windows on her desktop because the graphic art software she uses isn't available for Linux. |
| 23:32.22 | db101 | i put the X in linux |
| 23:32.25 | Azra``el | PerfDave: there's something better than gimp? |
| 23:32.36 | jjazz | PerfDave: After hearing that line, I'm not sure if I should rush out to rent it or if I should go on a crusade to burn every known copy. |
| 23:32.41 | Blissex | Flimzy: I think it does support arbitrary input file, and there are other front-ends to 'transcode' IIRC. |
| 23:32.47 | PerfDave | Azra``el: For what she does, apparently. She uses GIMP 2 on Windows for other things. |
| 23:32.50 | prahal | db101: c'est utilisé , 15 kopecks pour brampton et douze roupies ( au taux contractuel de 1/4 point par jour ouvrés |
| 23:32.54 | Azra``el | cool |
| 23:33.05 | PerfDave | jjazz: Bah, it's a fun movie. |
| 23:33.13 | paulswm | jjazz: It is a really good movie |
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| 23:33.27 | jjazz | PerfDave: I think I read the book when it came out, but I don't recall that line. |
| 23:33.30 | Flimzy | Blissex: I've tried a couple other frontends with very little success. And I've tried DVD::Rip with other files... it doesn't work. |
| 23:33.48 | pasky | prahal: that's it, thanks |
| 23:33.57 | Flimzy | Blissex: Unless there's been a new version come out since ~1 month ago when the author released a new version with the bugfix I submitted. |
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| 23:39.11 | prahal | asuffield: thanks again, i fully agreed with you for long (i removed those symlinks years before they where removed by debian) , though i never had the problem i have with libscg . It is a multiplatform wrapper around kernels scsi/ata layers . This really hurt my faith in this rule . Shouldn't such libraries behave differently regarding this ? (my last chance to avoid losing more than a day is to find somehting in libusb whic |
| 23:39.11 | prahal | h has very close arch |
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| 23:39.35 | Seb | is thre any reason why miranda (IM client) is not pacckaged for Debian ? I searched wnpp, couldn't find anything... |
| 23:40.05 | sobersabre | hello... is there a program in the wild that by means of ssh (scp/sftp) , assuming i am on host A, allows me to xfer data from host B to C ( with out files being translated to me 1st.) . i of course have credentials. and if I am on an internal lan, with key-based auth, - this also should be possible. |
| 23:40.15 | Seb | haha k I see a good reason now, i'ts only for win32 :D |
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| 23:40.24 | shingoki | Seb, try gaim |
| 23:40.32 | shingoki | Seb, or kopete |
| 23:40.44 | nvz | Seb: heh |
| 23:40.45 | Delph | sobersabre: ssh B; scp B:foo C:foobar |
| 23:40.49 | PerfDave | sobersabre: Just ssh from host A to host B, and scp from B to C? |
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| 23:41.06 | michal_ | what part of the debian installer prompts for network settings? |
| 23:41.07 | _ShAmUkO_ | i had a problem with a sony vaio laptop s150 , some one has installed debian on it? |
| 23:41.10 | asuffield | prahal: libscg is a disaster. userspace stuff that needs to get access to kernel structures should include its own mangled version of those structures, based on stuff copied from the kernel headers; this is what glibc does for you. the kernel headers themselves are not appropriate for use in userspace, except by coincidence for some things |
| 23:41.23 | prahal | sobersabre: i guess you can achieve this with netcat and a ssh tunnel |
| 23:41.25 | michal_ | i was sure it was debconf which configured that.. but it doesn't seem to be :/ |
| 23:41.36 | nvz | Seb: I like bitlbee myself, it lets me stay in irssi and talk like a sane person, and I can talk to people on AOL, MSN, AIM, ICQ, Yahoo.. etc |
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| 23:41.57 | sobersabre | PerfDave, i mean an app... like mc or gtk/qt whatever. not a hack |
| 23:42.11 | Seb | nvz: i was looking for some eyecandy, namely an IM client with a transparency option :) |
| 23:42.11 | sobersabre | i could as well run script remotely. not this. |
| 23:42.20 | PerfDave | sobersabre: How is that a hack? |
| 23:42.24 | Delph | sobersabre: uhhm, that's not a hack. |
| 23:42.29 | nvz | Seb: heh. got more cpu power than you know what to do with? |
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| 23:42.33 | Seb | nvz: and yes, i could use a console one in a transparent aterm, but that's not my question here :> |
| 23:42.53 | Seb | nvz: let's say the GF has that kind of CPU power on her new laptop, so I get to play with that a bit :) |
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| 23:43.29 | sobersabre | it is a little hack. using ssh B; scp x C:/bla is ... getting into the details. this is what tha app should do. |
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| 23:43.37 | michal_ | does the debian installer change anything other than /etc/network/interfaces when setting up networking? |
| 23:43.59 | streuner_ | michal_: why? |
| 23:44.03 | sobersabre | michal_, it can change things in /etc/init.d i think. |
| 23:44.13 | Delph | sobersabre: *confused* your app should just transfer files randomly instead. *nod* it's a plan. |
| 23:44.23 | michal_ | because i don't know how to get the network config thing to run again |
| 23:44.34 | _rene_ | /etc/hosts probably. |
| 23:44.41 | michal_ | and i need to change settings.. or possibly create them |
| 23:44.43 | _rene_ | michal_: you can't. use your favourite editor |
| 23:44.53 | michal_ | rene: and edit what? |
| 23:45.02 | _rene_ | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:45.06 | Hikaru79 | I'm trying to connect to /media/sda1 through FTP but it says permission denied... how can I grant user 'foo' access to /media/sda1 ? |
| 23:45.07 | michal_ | rene: and? |
| 23:45.16 | _rene_ | /etc/hosts |
| 23:45.23 | _rene_ | .oO ( can he read? ) |
| 23:45.28 | michal_ | rene: and what else? |
| 23:45.33 | paulswm | michal_: If you describe your problem, it might be easier to help you |
| 23:45.34 | streuner_ | michal_: you just edit /etc/network/interfaces - that's all |
| 23:45.40 | _rene_ | look. those are the most important ones |
| 23:45.49 | michal_ | sure.. but what else is there |
| 23:45.57 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: While I did install planner, I did not use it. I got into a discussion with someone here who suggested I look into gforge, which also looks promising. |
| 23:46.00 | toresbe | how does one get the first thingie that du produces? Isn't tr your friendly friend for that? What are the magic spells for that? |
| 23:46.04 | streuner_ | michal_: DHCP? |
| 23:46.23 | michal_ | dhcp is the current configuration.. but i want to use a static ip |
| 23:46.37 | _rene_ | then just change /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:46.46 | sgeigerbot | streuner_: Tag. |
| 23:46.47 | _rene_ | end of the story |
| 23:46.52 | Hikaru79 | I'm trying to connect to /media/sda1 through FTP but it says permission denied... how can I grant user 'foo' access to /media/sda1 ? |
| 23:46.55 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: Thanks, it's something of interest to me too, I was wondering what you might have found. |
| 23:46.55 | michal_ | and nothing else is affected during the network configure stage? |
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| 23:47.00 | chealer9 | Seb: Miranda IM, eyecandy? I must have different references than you |
| 23:47.16 | sgeigerbot | paulswm: I'll keep you in mind.... |
| 23:47.17 | michal_ | which settings are needed? is broadcast needed or optional? |
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| 23:47.29 | Seb | chealer9: that might very well be. I want transparency, is all. |
| 23:47.34 | michal_ | what about network? |
| 23:47.34 | streuner_ | michal_: look at the docs (/usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples) - there should be an example |
| 23:47.36 | Delph | toresbe: first line or first column? |
| 23:47.37 | airox | michal_: There are manual pages you know ... |
| 23:47.38 | paulswm | sgeigerbot: Thanks, much appreciated |
| 23:47.42 | _rene_ | needed. but it's trivial to get |
| 23:47.45 | michal_ | i would have thought that address and netmask would suffice |
| 23:47.48 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot: moo! |
| 23:47.50 | _rene_ | same as network ( netmask ) |
| 23:47.53 | Delph | toresbe: (head or cut) |
| 23:47.55 | sgeigerbot | streuner_: :-) |
| 23:47.56 | chealer9 | Seb: generally speaking there's no transparency in sarge |
| 23:48.10 | michal_ | airox: the documentation doesn't go iinto that much detail on the topic of what's needed and what isn't.. and why |
| 23:48.10 | sgeigerbot | streuner_: It's nice that there are other people who can communicate on my level. |
| 23:48.12 | Seb | chealer9: what dpes that mean exactly ? |
| 23:48.20 | Seb | chealer9: aterms can be transparent on sarge |
| 23:48.32 | chealer9 | Seb: xfree86 doesn't support transparency |
| 23:48.40 | airox | michal_: netmask and adress are the only once that would be needed. |
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| 23:48.41 | toresbe | Delph: first col |
| 23:48.56 | airox | michal_: but it (as always) depends on your setup |
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| 23:49.04 | chealer9 | Seb: that's a hack, that's why I say "generally speaking". konqueror takes a screenshot of your desktop |
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| 23:49.17 | bucky | has ld.so.config been dropped from sarge ? |
| 23:49.22 | airox | michal_: probably a gateway would be nice to set .. |
| 23:49.24 | Seb | chealer9: a hack is fine |
| 23:49.46 | Delph | toresbe: cut then."-d\ -f 1" sounds what you need. |
| 23:49.51 | cafuego | ld.so.conf |
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| 23:49.55 | cafuego | not config |
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| 23:50.17 | chealer9 | Seb: but you won't find many. wait for X.org (in etch) |
| 23:50.22 | michal_ | what about network.. it's required for 2.0.x kernels.. the example file imples that network is not optional.. is it just an obsolete setting? |
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| 23:50.51 | toresbe | Delph: thanks :) |
| 23:50.56 | intero | why recently some debs occupy alot of space? xserver-xfree86 now, ooffice some days ago... what kind of error can cause such issues? |
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| 23:51.05 | bucky | cafuego, apt-file says mindi has it and i can't find it on debian.org/packages |
| 23:51.12 | streuner_ | intero: update the cache |
| 23:51.15 | chealer9 | intero: /topic |
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| 23:51.23 | Delph | toresbe: and dont forget the second space =;) |
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| 23:51.30 | streuner_ | intero: nostrip was't enabled... |
| 23:51.58 | toresbe | Delph: didn't :) |
| 23:52.00 | streuner_ | intero: its fixed yet |
| 23:52.02 | airox | michal_: I don't know where the setting is used for because I've never used it. |
| 23:52.15 | toresbe | Delph: another moronity, how do I s/newline/space? |
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| 23:52.17 | intero | streuner_: nostrip? is it an option while making debs? |
| 23:52.20 | bucky | i have ld.so.cache but no ld.so.conf |
| 23:52.24 | airox | michal_: What is your setup if I may ask ? |
| 23:52.30 | streuner_ | intero: yep - that's my guess ;-) |
| 23:52.40 | Delph | toresbe: here's where you play with tr. |
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| 23:52.49 | intero | streuner_: thanks :) |
| 23:52.56 | chealer9 | wow... http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=xserver-xfree86 : architectures madness :D |
| 23:52.57 | toresbe | Delph: ahhh |
| 23:52.57 | michal_ | airox: you mean kernel? 2.6.10 |
| 23:53.02 | toresbe | Delph: ah!! I get it! |
| 23:53.20 | toresbe | Delph: whoo, I get to correct you :P |
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| 23:53.36 | toresbe | Delph: You made a transliteration error, it's $SKILL-fu :P |
| 23:53.47 | pepsi__ | does anyone know how to play a dvd-disk that is copied to harddrive? |
| 23:53.54 | airox | michal_: I never use kernels < 2.4 |
| 23:54.06 | Delph | toresbe: there are three fundimental constants. Foo, Bar, and Baz. |
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| 23:54.22 | shingoki | pepsi__, most players will do that |
| 23:54.24 | dondelelcaro | they aren't constants. They're variables. |
| 23:54.26 | prahal | asuffield: then you d love libscg , it include the glibc headers and add some 2.6 need struct inbetween the include ... only some of the newest macros are not up to date, i have nothing to say against that , only that sadly i don't understant it (i need an upgrade i guess :( |
| 23:54.27 | shingoki | try mplayer or xine |
| 23:54.37 | dondelelcaro | and they're metasyntactic ones at that, not fundamental ones. |
| 23:54.40 | Delph | Foo represents the unknown. Bar represents the undoable, and Baz represents the dodgy geezer who sold you the thing that doesn't work. |
| 23:54.44 | streuner_ | pepsi__: xine works fine for me |
| 23:54.48 | dondelelcaro | !foo |
| 23:54.48 | dpkg | somebody said foo was the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 23:54.53 | pepsi__ | shingoki: well, I dont know what file to play... I guess I should go for some vob-file |
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| 23:55.11 | streuner | pepsi__: yeah |
| 23:55.13 | Delph | sobersabre: np |
| 23:55.15 | shingoki | pepsi__, thats the one |
| 23:55.29 | pepsi__ | shingoki: streuner: I got like 20 of them! |
| 23:55.36 | Delph | dondelelcaro: there will always be Foo, there will always be Bar, and there will always be Baz. |
| 23:55.43 | shingoki | pepsi__, they are broken into chapters and 1GB chunks |
| 23:55.47 | streuner | pepsi__: sounds a little bit to many for me... |
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| 23:56.05 | shingoki | pepsi__, the numbering tells you which are in which chapter, you need to join them possibly |
| 23:56.06 | philjah | hi |
| 23:56.12 | Delph | lol "ask about mr T" |
| 23:56.14 | toresbe | how do I prepend or append text to a pipe stream? |
| 23:56.17 | illumina1e | quick question, is there a file like /etc/init.d/boot.local on debian (that gets automatically run after all the normal init scripts)? |
| 23:56.18 | pepsi__ | streuner: shingoki: I just wc'd them.. it is 45! |
| 23:56.25 | philjah | I have a pb with my screen |
| 23:56.42 | philjah | i cannot see all the window |
| 23:56.43 | pepsi__ | shingoki: ok.. thats all I need to know! :) thx |
| 23:56.47 | shingoki | pepsi__, probably trailers and bits of menus and so on, just look at the big ones |
| 23:56.50 | toresbe | like (magic which comes up with 28) | append " * 25" | bc |
| 23:56.50 | shingoki | pepsi__, np |
| 23:56.53 | stew | illuminate: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 23:57.48 | illuminate | stew: k thx |
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| 23:59.22 | streuner | apt, test |
| 23:59.23 | apt | Passed |
| 23:59.48 | RichiH | streuner: yay! |
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| 23:59.56 | streuner | dpkg, test |
| 23:59.57 | dpkg | No, streuner, you're not online any more. |
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