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00:01.09 | zetho | do i have to recompile debian 2.4.27 kernel to use htb (tcng) ? |
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00:01.28 | thegraham | I'm having some difficulty setting up multiple displays from my laptops dual headed graphics card. I have followed a the tutorial at http://www.linuxdig.com/howto/ldp/Xinerama-HOWTO.php, but I just have two identical desktops on both monitors. Also does anyone know when x.org will be introduced to debian? |
00:01.43 | tuxit | Hi, I've been experiencing for a long time a problem with firefox, as well as thunderbird. Whenever I print or generate a PS file from these applications, the size if huge when printing the documents. I don't know which package I should send a bug request for. |
00:02.01 | niclas5 | caphuso: neither -iocharset=UTF-8 nor -iocharset=iso8859-15 change anything. there are still question-marks where i expect german umlauts. |
00:02.05 | tuxit | if huge/is huge |
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00:02.36 | zinx | niclas5: you may have ls set to hide graphics characters.. |
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00:02.51 | Delph | niclas5: or your font might not support the characters ? |
00:02.55 | nvz | tuxit: well figure out what does it :) |
00:03.17 | caphuso | niclas5: then i'm out of ideas |
00:03.18 | now3d | Hi, I have installed testing. Could someone tell me how to get something other than "US English" in my languages choice please? |
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00:03.29 | p2-mate | hi |
00:03.36 | caphuso | now3d: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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00:03.59 | nvz | tuxit: process of elimination. its either firefox/thunderbird, which I doubt. the PS tools, or the printer software you are using |
00:04.01 | tuxit | nvz: actually this is the problem :) There must be a buggy generation of the postscript, but I don't know which is the package/component responsible for this. |
00:04.09 | nvz | tuxit: try using each of them outside the current context |
00:04.37 | tuxit | nvz: not the printer software : it works with any other application. I don't know which is the PS tool that firefox and thunderbird are both using |
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00:04.52 | tuxit | nvz: outside the current context ? what do you mean ? |
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00:05.09 | nvz | tuxit: can you get firefox then to just save the printjob as a PS file and examine that file. |
00:05.18 | niclas5 | Delph: when i open the directory with gxine i get error messages and the files are not shown in the gtk-window. it cannot be about the font. i will try to choose a different default-locale... |
00:05.19 | tuxit | nvz: sure |
00:05.19 | nvz | tuxit: maybe try then printing that PS file from GV or something |
00:05.25 | emilios | any help with nvidia driver ? |
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00:05.45 | emilios | any problem with nvidia to share? |
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00:05.55 | nvz | tuxit: just try narrow it down, then throw the bug out there.. heh |
00:06.03 | emilios | refuse to run with debian 2.6.6 |
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00:06.19 | tuxit | nvz: I probably didn't express myself properly. When printing directly from firefox, or saving as a PS and printing with GV, the result is the same : too big. When printing with GV PS files made by other apps, no problem |
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00:06.46 | scapor | Does someone here know if it's possible to copy a file further if you stopped it before ? |
00:06.56 | Delph | niclas5: gui applications; your own issues. what does the console say =:) Less stuff to go wrong. |
00:07.02 | scapor | I did a cp into a terminal but closed it before it was done :| |
00:07.02 | Delph | scapor: copy from what to what? |
00:07.06 | infodroid | scapor: unpause it |
00:07.07 | niclas5 | gxine suggests that i set G_FILENAME_ENCODING. *scratchhead* |
00:07.14 | zinx | scapor: dd can do it :/ |
00:07.18 | scapor | Delph: from one partition to another :| |
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00:07.24 | scapor | infodroid: ? |
00:07.30 | niclas5 | Delph: setting different default-locales doesn't help. no umlauts, just "?" |
00:07.50 | niclas5 | Delph: how do i know which font the console is using? |
00:07.52 | nvz | tuxit: yeah well is the ps file look different in GV? |
00:07.54 | scapor | I really don't want to copy it all over again :| It's 7 gig that one file (DVD) |
00:08.05 | Delph | scapor: well work out where you stopped copying it |
00:08.10 | Delph | and copy the rest of it over. |
00:08.12 | now3d | caphuso: Thanks. I wonder what en.UTF-8 would default to? US English? |
00:08.13 | infodroid | scapor: yes dd is your friend |
00:08.14 | nvz | tuxit: so far I see firefox depenting on libxpr6.. you look at what you do know and narrow it down |
00:08.16 | nimbb | how can I indicate that my dvd-rw is not a read-only device (so I can write to it with dd)? |
00:08.20 | scapor | Delph: it's one file :| |
00:08.23 | Delph | niclas5: en_gb.UTF-8 |
00:08.28 | nvz | tuxit: see what print libs firefox and programs that work use and note differences |
00:08.36 | infodroid | nimbb: using udev yet? |
00:08.39 | tuxit | nvz: I see something interesting in the PS file : he X Print Server's PostScript DDX (xprint.mozdev.org, release 10000 |
00:08.41 | Delph | uhhm, i meant now3d there. |
00:08.50 | Delph | (english ++) |
00:08.54 | nimbb | infodroid: no, what is that? |
00:08.56 | niclas5 | Delph: ?? i am using de_DE.UTF-8@euro |
00:08.58 | scapor | infodroid: it just doesn't sound like something for a newbie like me :| |
00:09.02 | thegraham | Will debian run on a mac? |
00:09.09 | thegraham | mini |
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00:09.25 | caphuso | now3d: is that a valid locale? |
00:09.31 | nvz | tuxit: yep thats what libxp6 is ;) and you got a url for it on mozdev |
00:09.42 | now3d | caphuso: i see some software checking for it |
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00:09.59 | nichos | is there anyway to tell, other than .bash_history, if someone did an ls on my dir? |
00:09.59 | nvz | tuxit: look for differences in the way firefox prints and the apps that work fine print |
00:10.05 | caphuso | now3d: normally they look like xx_XX.UTF-8, and US english is en_US.UTF-8 |
00:10.07 | nvz | tuxit: note their dependency differences |
00:10.18 | nvz | tuxit: you will eventually narrow it down |
00:10.20 | tuxit | nvz: how come that apt doesn't list libxpr6 in the dependencies of the package mozilla-firefox ? |
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00:10.34 | nvz | tuxit: libxp6 |
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00:11.10 | nvz | damn I forgot what I was going to say |
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00:11.14 | nvz | people are yelling at me here |
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00:11.32 | now3d | caphuso: ok, should be ok then. Do you know if I will need to install some KDE packages to get my en_GB.UTF-8 locale please? |
00:11.41 | caphuso | now3d: no idea |
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00:11.57 | tuxit | nvz: cheers, I will go that way. Thanks a lot, bye |
00:12.21 | caphuso | now3d: there's a kde-i18n-engb package |
00:12.26 | now3d | caphuso: is there an easy way to uninstall a deb package or find what is available to install? |
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00:13.03 | caphuso | now3d: dselect, aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache. read the man pages of those commands |
00:13.37 | caphuso | there are a few more frontends like synaptic or kpackage |
00:13.42 | nvz | tuxit: what I was also thinking about is once you think you got a package narrowed down, you can even try fetch an old one form snapshot.debain.net and see if the bugs goes away |
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00:14.49 | niclas5 | *donk* it works in kde. no idea why. ha... nevermind. thank you anyway. |
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00:15.32 | caphuso | damn, i just thought of a possible solution to tuxit's problem |
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00:16.08 | dondelelcaro | from a brief look at scrollback, it smells like xprint |
00:16.18 | nvz | yep |
00:16.21 | budi_ | if i have something.deb how to install that? |
00:16.26 | dondelelcaro | budi_: dpkg -i it |
00:16.41 | dondelelcaro | budi_: although, installing random .debs is generally not a good idea. |
00:16.45 | caphuso | dondelelcaro: yeah |
00:16.49 | Kerr | sidenet still refuses to work, and under default wine, ares lite won't connect ~.~ |
00:16.54 | budi_ | so i do: dpkg -i something.deb ? |
00:16.59 | now3d | caphuso: Thanks |
00:17.00 | dondelelcaro | budi_: yes. man dpkg; |
00:17.33 | budi_ | thanks |
00:17.35 | now3d | I notice the KDE theme seems to have very large buttons compared to normal, does anyone know how I can tweek it to make them a little smaller please? |
00:17.57 | infodroid | now3d: what kde buttons? |
00:18.16 | budi_ | one more thing how to download from repository for example ftp.au.debian.org and libxml2 package? but i don't to install it, i want to get libxml2.deb |
00:18.40 | nvz | now3d: just the icons on the panel or what? |
00:18.44 | now3d | infodroid: like the shell tab buttons on Konsole.. |
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00:18.59 | nvz | now3d: have you looked in kcontrol? |
00:19.06 | now3d | nvz: hmm, yeah the bar at the bottom of the screen has big buttons |
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00:19.36 | docgnome | does wvdial only detect external modems? |
00:19.45 | nvz | now3d: is it just your resolution is low and everything is big :) you said a mintue ago your tabs and such are big too |
00:19.55 | budi_ | docgnome: yes |
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00:20.22 | now3d | nvz: hmm, mozilla is ok. i am in the same resolution as with my mandrake KDE (1280x1024) |
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00:20.42 | girt | docgnome, internal modems are another story i think |
00:20.54 | now3d | nvz: i changed the icon size to 16px from 32 in KControl->Appearance->Icons.. did not change antying tho it seems.. |
00:21.07 | infodroid | now3d: change your font size in kcontrol |
00:21.08 | now3d | am I looking in the wrong place? |
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00:21.11 | docgnome | I don't suppose there is something simmilar i can use for internal modems |
00:21.20 | nvz | now3d: if you have mdk with kde you can most likely cp your ~/.kde* stuff right over and use the same configuration if you really wanted |
00:21.40 | now3d | nvz: hmm, i kindof wanted to dump that profile if i could.. |
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00:21.59 | nvz | now3d: also there is #debian-kde, and #kde where you may get more help with kde specific issues. I am not really a kde user and won't be of much help :P |
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00:22.25 | infodroid | kvz: a kde abuser then? |
00:22.33 | now3d | nvz: ok, thanks for your help so far :) |
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00:23.31 | now3d | ciao |
00:23.35 | docgnome | Can someone point me to a tutorial for setting up an internal modem in debian, I've searched around on google, and havn't found anything i truely grok... |
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00:24.00 | budi_ | one more thing how to download from repository for example ftp.au.debian.org and libxml2 package? but i don't to install it, i want to get libxml2.deb |
00:24.20 | Tall-guy | Newbie kinda question: I swapped out my video card (ati9000) and put a Geforce2 card in....what is the "right" way to tell Debian I've done this (not using X at all) |
00:24.28 | infodroid | budi: try the APT manual |
00:24.33 | nvz | budi_: if you just want the package, then wget it |
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00:24.57 | nvz | budi_: is it already in your sources list? |
00:25.20 | nvz | budi_: I was thinking from the sound of the question it was not your regular download mirror |
00:26.11 | nvz | there is -d, --download-only, option if its already in your cache |
00:26.15 | nvz | otherwise I'd use wget |
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00:28.01 | docgnome_ | *mutters rude things about his isp* |
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00:29.43 | chealer | would somebody say that swf-player works correctly in most situations/animations? |
00:30.14 | zinx | i would say that even macromedia's player doesn't work correctly in a lot of situations :P |
00:30.41 | docgnome_ | Is there a fairly straight forward tutorial someone has about getting an internal modem working in debian? I'm not sure what kind of modem it is, so i might be screwed anyway -_- |
00:30.53 | chealer | oh yeah? well does swf-player work nearly as much as macromedia's in most animations? |
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00:32.03 | chealer | !modem |
00:32.03 | dpkg | methinks modem is (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck |
00:32.10 | chealer | ^haha |
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00:33.37 | Jennwong | !tell me about mysql |
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00:33.48 | chealer | Jennwong: just use /msg dpkg mysql |
00:33.59 | Jennwong | thanks |
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00:34.22 | kh4nh | hey guys, my screen is off-center a little, do you guys know how to adjust it |
00:34.35 | timo | kh4nh, xvidtune |
00:34.36 | Subwire | i just installed debian sarge, and when i boot up, the nv_sata modules goes nuts, adding a primary device, removing a primary device, adding a secondary device, removing a secondary revice... |
00:34.39 | Subwire | over and over |
00:34.42 | Subwire | :/ |
00:34.44 | Subwire | any help? |
00:34.45 | Jennwong | chealer , it doesnt tell me what i want to know |
00:34.54 | kh4nh | i xvidtune already, but with success |
00:34.57 | chealer | Jennwong: so what do you want to know... |
00:34.59 | Jennwong | how can i create new user ? |
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00:35.13 | kh4nh | i tried xvidtune already, but without success |
00:35.18 | Jennwong | i want to create new user in mysql on debian |
00:35.22 | timo | kh4nh, use your monitor's controls then |
00:35.28 | chealer | Jennwong: try mysql <TAB> at console... |
00:35.38 | Jennwong | and disable ssh log in as root |
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00:36.32 | chealer | dpkg is in no mean mysql doc. #mysql, or /usr/share/doc/mysql-client/ |
00:36.32 | dpkg | chealer: I don't know, could you explain it? |
00:37.05 | kh4nh | timo, those are the only 2 ways? |
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00:39.29 | jellyhd | I want to install apache 1.3 on debian. If I use apt-get install apache, how do I verify that I get version 1.3? |
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00:39.55 | nvz | jellyhd: what branch of debian are you using? |
00:40.06 | kh4nh | ubuntu |
00:40.14 | jellyhd | nvz: woody |
00:40.28 | nvz | !info apache woody |
00:40.39 | dpkg | apache: (Versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.26-0woody6 (woody), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 752 kB |
00:40.55 | kh4nh | fastest install process i ever experenced |
00:41.02 | nvz | jellyhd: apache in woody is 1.3.26-0woody6 |
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00:41.18 | nvz | kh4nh: umm, go talk about it in #ubuntu |
00:41.56 | Subwire | !info nv_sata |
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00:42.06 | Subwire | hmm |
00:42.18 | Subwire | is there a list of chanel commands in the FAQ? |
00:42.31 | tarzeau | it's not an irc faq |
00:42.33 | jellyhd | thanks |
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00:42.33 | nvz | Subwire: thats a blootbot |
00:42.34 | chealer | Subwire: it's not channel commands, it's dpkg (the bot) commands |
00:42.41 | chealer | !dpkg |
00:42.41 | dpkg | dpkg is probably the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack |
00:43.05 | chealer | jellyhd: apt-get -s install apache |
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00:43.36 | Subwire | hmm |
00:43.41 | Subwire | !dpkg help |
00:43.48 | Subwire | ...? ok maybe not.. |
00:43.53 | chealer | Subwire: /msg dpkg help |
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00:44.03 | Subwire | thanks |
00:44.10 | Fredo | Hello every one |
00:44.15 | Fredo | any one wanna chat |
00:44.22 | Fredo | in English |
00:44.31 | brynjarh | I thought you meant Icelandic |
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00:44.49 | brynjarh | :) |
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00:45.13 | cafuego | Waarom? iedereen spreekt toch nederlands? |
00:45.16 | harryvv | expansion slots clounted from bottom to top? Im getting random irq conflics and want to set it right in bios. |
00:45.29 | sussudio | lobezno: no |
00:45.35 | nevyn | harryvv: usually labeled in the manual or on the overlay |
00:45.36 | lobezno | sussudio, yes |
00:45.38 | cafuego | lewinsky: We don't care what you're listening to. Switch off that spam script. |
00:45.48 | cafuego | s/lewinsky/lobezno |
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00:45.59 | Subwire | hmm that didn't help, maybe i'll just ask my question again... |
00:46.10 | Subwire | i just installed debian sarge, and when i boot up, the nv_sata modules goes nuts, adding a primary device, removing a primary device, adding a secondary device, removing a secondary revice... |
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00:46.16 | Subwire | over and over |
00:46.18 | Subwire | and ideas? |
00:46.23 | cafuego | Subwire: Which kernel? |
00:46.23 | Subwire | *any |
00:46.27 | Subwire | 2.6 |
00:46.33 | sussudio | !any ideas |
00:46.34 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag of string, a little WD-40, and a dozen rabid platypuses. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes! |
00:46.34 | directhex | Subwire, try #debian-boot |
00:46.35 | cafuego | Odd, worked fine here. |
00:46.36 | harryvv | nev okay this is a reallly old motherboard so will have to locate it. |
00:46.37 | anti-windows | Any way to get liblame? I hear its not included in debian due to some patent issues or something...and can't apt-get it |
00:46.47 | jordo23 | Does debian come packaged with a DNS server? |
00:46.49 | directhex | !tell anti-windows about marillat |
00:46.52 | Overand | What's the usual device name for a USB storage device? |
00:46.55 | cafuego | jordo23: Several, yes. |
00:47.01 | directhex | Overand, /dev/sd* |
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00:47.04 | cafuego | Overand: /dev/sdX |
00:47.06 | Overand | directhex: thanks |
00:47.09 | Overand | and cafuego |
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00:47.12 | Subwire | well, whats odd is, the sata works, but those messages get in my way |
00:47.16 | Subwire | i just wanna shut them up |
00:47.16 | cafuego | !directxsmite directhex |
00:47.19 | anti-windows | directhex: thanks! |
00:47.20 | jordo23 | cafuego: Which one is the most popular? |
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00:47.27 | directhex | !directhexsmite cafuego |
00:47.31 | cafuego | jordo23: bind9 |
00:47.32 | brynjarh | anti-windows: do you really want it if it's not acceptable to be apart of Debian? |
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00:47.38 | cafuego | directhex: bah |
00:47.39 | robn | anyone |
00:47.51 | jordo23 | cafuego: what's the second most popular packaged? |
00:47.57 | cafuego | !anyone |
00:47.57 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
00:48.00 | anti-windows | brynjarh: hmm...good question. i dunno, what difference does it make, exactly? |
00:48.07 | cafuego | jordo23: No idea. bind9 is the best though. |
00:48.14 | jordo23 | cafuego: thanks. |
00:48.57 | chealer | dpkg should really respond to anyone without the need for "!" |
00:48.58 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, chealer |
00:49.04 | cafuego | Google: Results 1 - 10 of about 296,000 for bind9. (0.23 seconds) [it has the best support, too ;-)] |
00:49.06 | robn | Anyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro? |
00:49.21 | brynjarh | anti-windows: It wont make any difference if you only believe in convenience and don't value freedom, but it makes allot of difference if you value freedom, ever thought about what "free" in free software stands for? |
00:49.32 | cafuego | chealer: Yes, we REALLY need the bot to start spamming whenever possible. |
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00:50.21 | robn | Anyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro? I have already googled.groups and no luck. The problems is: connection refused. |
00:51.00 | infodroid | robn: did you check the conf file? |
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00:51.09 | spiekey | hello! |
00:51.26 | robn | yes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running. |
00:51.28 | spiekey | i need some tip regarding the /etc/ppp/options file... |
00:51.54 | spiekey | i have DSL and if i plug out my cable, and plug it back in after 1h or so, debian wont connect automatically anymore. |
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00:52.04 | robn | i am trying to diagnoze the problem. |
00:52.16 | spiekey | which option do i need to change, or look for in /etc/ppp/options?! |
00:52.19 | robn | i cant ftp to myself even as root |
00:52.33 | infodroid | robn: double-check conf file, also you might need to tweak hosts.allow and friends |
00:52.35 | [Granger] | man vsftpd.conf |
00:52.38 | jordo23 | cafuego: Is there a HOWTO about bind 9? |
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00:52.47 | infodroid | robn: yes, the man page |
00:52.56 | cafuego | jordo23: heaps, yes. And docs in the bind9-doc apckage, probably. |
00:53.00 | cafuego | !info bind9-doc |
00:53.01 | dpkg | bind9-doc: (Documentation for BIND), section doc, is optional. Version: 1:9.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 484 kB |
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00:53.48 | niuck | lappa |
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00:54.16 | duke | im very confused, is google broken? |
00:54.37 | sussudio | duke: you broke it, you bastard |
00:54.43 | robn | yes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running. i am trying to diagnoze the problem. i cant ftp to myself even as root. I have made my conf file like fedora. I have also looked at man pages. I dont have friends file in etc. but i have made my hosts.allow like fedora. is there a diagnostic utility? |
00:54.57 | duke | http://www.google.com/search?q=barber |
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00:55.22 | duke | http://www.google.com/search?q=chicken |
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00:55.33 | chealer | duke: please. google isn't broken |
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00:56.01 | duke | why wont those work then? |
00:56.08 | infodroid | robn: you don't have a friends file? |
00:56.11 | caphuso | duke: ask google |
00:56.15 | Cisyouc | Can anyone help me? I'm trying to use my wireless card (US Robotics 22Mbps PCMCIA, uses acx100 driver) but for some reason it starts up fine but it wont connect/find the network |
00:56.19 | keenan | OK I read this cool howto on apt-build |
00:56.32 | keenan | but apt-build seems to be ignoring my /etc/apt/preferences |
00:56.42 | robn | no i dont have friend file in etc |
00:56.50 | caphuso | Results 1 - 30 of about 7,510,000 for barber and Results 1 - 30 of about 27,200,000 for chicken |
00:57.02 | duke | Your search - chicken - did not match any documents. |
00:57.02 | keenan | it tries to get and build the source for the version in unstable, even though /etc/apt/preferences says to prefer testing |
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00:57.26 | robn | no i dont have friend file in etc. man page does not mention it. |
00:57.31 | duke | mabye its just me |
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00:57.42 | robn | infodroid: no i dont have friend file in etc. man page does not mention it. |
00:57.44 | keenan | is there some separate preferences file for apt-build or something? |
00:58.54 | infodroid | robn: i meant hosts.allow and hosts.deny and hosts (ie. hosts and friends) - some ftp programs use this stuff |
00:59.30 | Gil | Cisyouc: does iwlist <interface> scan give anything? |
01:00.08 | robn | Anyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro? I have already googled.groups and no luck. The problems is: connection refused. yes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running. i am trying to diagnoze the problem. i cant ftp to myself even as root. I have made my conf file like fedora. I have also looked at man pages. I dont have friends file in etc. but i hav |
01:00.08 | robn | e made my hosts.allow like fedora. is there a diagnostic utility? |
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01:00.52 | robn | infodroid: i said many times i have hosts.allow. read my cumulative description. |
01:00.58 | mithro | whats the best way to setup two dual head with two X servers under debian? |
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01:01.36 | mithro | ie i want to be able to kill/start the second head independently of the first one |
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01:01.51 | duke | holy crap, my pagerank is 8 |
01:02.05 | duke | like 2 people a day visit my site too |
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01:05.13 | aoielakdnneold | hey there |
01:05.30 | keenan | does anyone here know about apt-build? |
01:05.34 | aoielakdnneold | could someone please help me out? |
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01:06.13 | aoielakdnneold | ive just installed debian 3.0 unstable and now i am no longer able to mount my cdrom |
01:06.30 | aoielakdnneold | says that special device /dev/cdrom does not exist |
01:06.51 | chealer | aoielakdnneold: debian 3.0 is stable |
01:06.53 | cafuego | aoielakdnneold: /dev/crom is a symlink to your REAL cd device. |
01:07.08 | aoielakdnneold | yea |
01:07.30 | aoielakdnneold | i then executed MAKEDEV cdrom and it made up a link on / |
01:07.31 | robn | <PROTECTED> |
01:07.43 | cafuego | aoielakdnneold: What was that supposed to do? |
01:07.44 | aoielakdnneold | then it worked |
01:07.54 | jharrison | ive got to watch tv |
01:08.06 | aoielakdnneold | well, i assume that would make a link to the device |
01:08.21 | cafuego | aoielakdnneold: No, it won't. You need to do that by hand. |
01:08.23 | aoielakdnneold | then i mounted this link, and everything went plain ok |
01:08.45 | aoielakdnneold | however, i would like that to be done on bootup |
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01:08.49 | aoielakdnneold | if possible |
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01:09.04 | cafuego | Do you use udev or devfs? |
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01:09.06 | aoielakdnneold | like it does on kernel 2.4.18 |
01:09.12 | aoielakdnneold | i suppose udev |
01:09.16 | Azar | so cafuego I would like to know how to explain my friend who wants to try Debian (first time linux for him) why the "unstable" never brokes? |
01:09.33 | nevyn | unstable does so break. |
01:09.41 | nevyn | but for desktop use it doesn't matter mostly |
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01:09.53 | aoielakdnneold | ive just installed kernel 2.6.10 and its /dev is completely different |
01:09.54 | cafuego | Azar: What? |
01:09.57 | Azar | it breaks? |
01:10.04 | aoielakdnneold | no way |
01:10.05 | nevyn | Azar: sure. |
01:10.08 | cafuego | Azar: make him download Ubuntu. |
01:10.09 | aoielakdnneold | unstable rocks as well |
01:10.10 | robn | <PROTECTED> |
01:10.10 | robn | <PROTECTED> |
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01:10.38 | nevyn | Azar: the thing is unstable refers to the packaging of the software not the actual software being unstable. |
01:10.38 | Azar | ok Cafuego I will tell him that |
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01:10.52 | cafuego | nevyn: ... though that happens as well. |
01:10.53 | aoielakdnneold | however, for a first time "linuxer" i'd say debian is far too difficult |
01:11.01 | nevyn | cafuego: it does. but less. |
01:11.10 | cafuego | Azar: For a fist-time user's desktop system, it will be easy, quick and pretty. |
01:11.30 | Azar | aoielakdnneold, the way I read some documentation it is said that files and directories are changed when getting a higher linux kernel, but I really do not know why.. |
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01:11.50 | astronut | anyone have any experience with encrypted filesystems? |
01:11.55 | aoielakdnneold | that indeed happens |
01:12.03 | aoielakdnneold | this new kernel is kinda strange |
01:12.05 | Azar | nevyn so it means that certain applications will not perform rock solid on unstable? |
01:12.33 | caphuso | Azar: it means that after an upgrade you suddenly might not be able to log in anymore |
01:12.35 | nevyn | Azar: no. it means you may not be able to install mozilla one week |
01:12.41 | nevyn | caphuso: that too. |
01:12.43 | aoielakdnneold | anyone knows how to automount cdroms on new kernel, say 2.6.x? |
01:12.51 | caphuso | Azar: it also means that a broken package might run "rm -rf /" |
01:12.51 | cafuego | aoielakdnneold: Well, that's all relative. Back in '93 I started with Slackware. Back then, we used to be able to READ and UNDERASTAND documentation. The current generation seems to not have that skill (at all). |
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01:13.11 | Azar | oh my! |
01:13.12 | astronut | anyone have any experience with encrypted filesystems? |
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01:13.19 | aoielakdnneold | yea, i started up on redhat 9 |
01:13.21 | caphuso | Azar: it means that the application you desperately need now won't be installable until next week |
01:13.27 | aoielakdnneold | things used to be easier |
01:13.56 | Azar | my got and I just downloaded firefox |
01:13.59 | caphuso | Azar: it means that suddenly a new major version of something gets installed that isn't backward compatible to the version you have now, forcing you to reconfigure lots of possible things |
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01:14.10 | cafuego | aoielakdnneold: You think? I used to have to fetch tarballs and install hand-compiled updates. Dependencies were resolved by reading README or INSTALL |
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01:14.19 | smacnay | Anyone had issues with Firefox slowing right down on a page load? My mouse gets really spotty and Firefox stops responding. Debian "testing" - kernel 2.6.8.1 vanilla - Mozilla version 1. |
01:14.39 | aoielakdnneold | oh well |
01:14.48 | astronut | smacnay: nope |
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01:14.55 | aoielakdnneold | this cdrom stuff is trying to get real difficult |
01:15.03 | aoielakdnneold | no, starting |
01:15.20 | jan_ | Hi, i have libcgi-session-perl installed, but /usr/share/perl5/auto/CGI/Session/File is missing ?? :( , so i cant use CGI::Session::File::Cookie |
01:15.42 | Azar | last week I had issues with XWindows I was having several applications open and suddenly they started misteriously closing down and not responding to re-open, the ext3 became read-only, but that was the only bug I had |
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01:16.23 | aoielakdnneold | yea, guess im gonna have to do things by hand anyway |
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01:16.37 | jordo23 | Does anyone know the command to stop and restart the samba server with Debian? |
01:16.46 | caphuso | jordo23: /etc/init.d/samba help |
01:17.16 | shaleh | is there a way to modify ssh's password prompt? When I log into the RH machines at work I get "user@host's password:" but with Debian's ssh I just get "Password:" |
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01:17.44 | chitiri | what does the 'udeb' found in some package names means ? |
01:17.52 | shaleh | chitiri: micro |
01:18.01 | shaleh | chitiri: they are for the debian installer |
01:18.18 | shaleh | chitiri: the u in udeb is supposed to be the greek u |
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01:18.40 | astronut | anyone have any experience with encrypted filesystems (maybe loopback)? |
01:19.01 | shaleh | astronut: great articale in a recent Linux Magazine |
01:19.09 | shaleh | damn that was a horrible spelling |
01:19.13 | astronut | shaleh: can you link? |
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01:19.43 | bhearsum | anyone here use sdvdbackup? i'm having trouble getting scattering to turn off |
01:19.58 | shaleh | astronut: try this: http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html |
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01:20.27 | shaleh | astronut: something I have thought about but not done, so I recall references to it |
01:21.08 | robn | <PROTECTED> |
01:21.08 | robn | <PROTECTED> |
01:21.28 | astronut | kk |
01:21.30 | astronut | thanks shaleh |
01:22.13 | robn | Will some kind soul help me out ???? !!!!!! |
01:22.21 | jharrison | robn: you ftp as root? |
01:22.48 | robn | jharrison: for testing, I am trying the most permissive testing |
01:23.08 | jharrison | robn: do you know anything about the ftp protocol? |
01:23.09 | robn | I ftp as root in the sampe computer |
01:23.22 | robn | I also ftp myself as other user |
01:23.25 | astronut | robn: what was your problem? |
01:23.30 | astronut | ah, nm |
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01:23.38 | astronut | i've uses vsftpd on sarge |
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01:23.49 | robn | Here is the problem in detail |
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01:23.51 | astronut | i use* |
01:23.53 | robn | Anyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro? I have already googled.groups and no luck. The problems is: connection refused. yes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running. i am trying to diagnoze the problem. i cant ftp to myself even as root. I have made my conf file like fedora. I have also looked at man pages. I dont have friends file in etc. but i hav |
01:23.53 | robn | e made my hosts.allow like fedora. is there a diagnostic utility? |
01:23.59 | jsn | Is there an abiword channel? |
01:24.01 | astronut | ya, i saw it, scroleld up |
01:24.04 | keenan | why doesn't /etc/apt/preferences affect "apt-get source"?? |
01:24.15 | jharrison | I dont know ftp |
01:24.24 | jharrison | !repeat |
01:24.24 | robn | connection refused is the problem |
01:24.24 | dpkg | hmm... repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions" |
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01:25.01 | jharrison | I dont use ftp |
01:25.04 | astronut | robn: sounds like it isn't running |
01:25.08 | jharrison | s/know/use |
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01:25.20 | jharrison | and when I did use it I used proftpd |
01:25.25 | robn | jharrison: tell me how to diagnose |
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01:25.32 | jharrison | robn: I dont suppose you looked at your logs? |
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01:25.42 | robn | i looked at logs |
01:25.53 | jharrison | robn: is the ftp machine firewalled? |
01:26.02 | robn | /var/vsftpd |
01:26.06 | jharrison | robn: is it running passive mode or active mode? |
01:26.10 | robn | no i dont think any firewall |
01:26.16 | jharrison | robn: are root logins allowed? |
01:26.25 | robn | i tried other users |
01:26.26 | jharrison | robn: port scan the box and see if ftp is open |
01:26.40 | jharrison | robn: use netstat -lnp to see if anything is listening on ftp ports |
01:26.45 | jharrison | robn: etc... |
01:26.49 | robn | ok |
01:27.07 | jharrison | robn: and dont repeat your problem over and over or someone will kick you |
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01:27.45 | jsn | I can't seem to find any sources online for using command line abiword. Anyone able to provide help? |
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01:28.51 | cafuego | robn: connection refused means 1) the server isn't running or 2) the machine is disallowing connections. Check both. |
01:29.05 | mosty | jsn, there's a command line abiword? |
01:29.17 | jsn | mosty: The "Tour" says there is, in the mail merge section. |
01:29.38 | jsn | http://www.abiword.org/tour/ |
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01:30.27 | mosty | jsn, tried abiword -help ? |
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01:31.41 | chitiri | do exist a command line interface to query the archive ? i mean, something to ask what version is in unstable or testing ? |
01:31.51 | oR|hilikus | When i try to install the rt18139 module for my netgear fa312 it says that the init_module: device or resource busy. do i need to enter any module parameters when i try to install it? |
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01:32.46 | robn | jharrison: i have some good news |
01:32.55 | robn | are you there? |
01:33.06 | jsn | mosty: Thanks. FYI, it's --help |
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01:33.21 | robn | jharrison: cafuego: i have some good news |
01:33.29 | robn | are you there? |
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01:34.14 | robn | when I put the original vsftpd.conf file, I can login anonymous. |
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01:34.24 | cire | is there a possibility to chroot a user? |
01:34.25 | lobomufas | hiya |
01:34.27 | cg0def | can someone help me with a gnome/gtk+ compilation problem |
01:34.29 | robn | jharrison: cafuego: when I put the original vsftpd.conf file, I can login anonymous. |
01:34.45 | robn | but the only changes i have made are trivial |
01:34.58 | cafuego | robn: So you have an error in the cfg file somewhere, which causes it to either not start or not listen on port 21. |
01:34.59 | robn | comment out anonymous=yes |
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01:35.25 | robn | well the changes i made are the same as in my fedora install |
01:35.32 | distempr | Is there a way to "monitor" what's being written to my disk? lsof is fine, but doesn't show "which" is currently active. Or is there any way I can "look" into the ext3 structure? |
01:35.51 | directhex | distempr, try Dtrace in solaris 10 |
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01:36.18 | robn | cafuego, can i private message you? |
01:37.04 | cire | is it possible, to chroot a whole user? So that, when he logs in, he only can access the chrooted area? |
01:37.13 | jsn | cire: yes :) |
01:37.15 | mrwill | cire: yes, I believe so. |
01:37.33 | cire | I'll be more precise now. How is this possible? ;) |
01:37.44 | mrwill | cire: just put home directory and requisite shell, other apps, inside chroot. |
01:38.00 | jsn | cire: I'm not entirely sure, but I bet it involves changing their login shell in /etc/passwd, plus what mrwill says |
01:38.01 | dondelelcaro | cire: you're most likely looking for something like chsh though, not a chroot. |
01:38.18 | distempr | directhex: heh :( Debian linuchs? |
01:38.31 | mrwill | cire: have to do a chroot call on their login, too, I think. |
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01:38.47 | fbs_ | hey there once again |
01:38.51 | dondelelcaro | rrr... s/chsh/rssh/ |
01:39.09 | fbs_ | anyone knows how to install alsa on 2.6.x kernels? |
01:39.14 | mrwill | dondelelcaro: those restricted shells aren't usually very useful, but I've never used rssh. |
01:39.25 | mrwill | fbs_: modules are already installed, you just have to configure them. |
01:39.26 | dondelelcaro | mrwill: well, chrooting the user isn't terribly usefull eitehr |
01:39.29 | fbs_ | when i type alsaconf it says "no soundcards found" |
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01:39.48 | mrwill | dondelelcaro: it is if you are insane about security, I guess. |
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01:39.56 | dondelelcaro | mrwill: if it becomes useful, it means that you don't have your machine set up sanely. |
01:40.04 | jsn | :) |
01:40.08 | mrwill | dondelelcaro: I'd spend my system resources on other measures, probably. |
01:40.08 | fbs_ | but the modules are loaded, and alsaconf even finds the soundcard |
01:40.19 | mrwill | fbs_: tried unmuting the mixer? |
01:40.27 | fbs_ | but when i try alsamixer, it returns an error code |
01:40.44 | fbs_ | hang on, let me type the output of alsaconf |
01:40.54 | mrwill | fds_: not too many lines too fast, now. |
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01:41.28 | jsn | fbs_: Perhaps I was mistaken, but I built and compiled alsa-utils on the side. Do you have that? |
01:41.35 | fbs_ | running update modules... loading driver... setting default volumes... |
01:41.49 | mrwill | jsn: no, they are just packaged with debian. |
01:42.03 | mrwill | fbs_: no errors doing all that, huh? |
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01:42.34 | per02 | is there a way to remove the "Debian Menu" from the applications menu in gnome? |
01:42.34 | mrwill | fbs_: sounds like you are close to finished. |
01:42.39 | fbs_ | saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state... /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: no soundcards found... |
01:42.45 | mrwill | per02: sure, there is a config file you edit. |
01:42.53 | fbs_ | the error is that one |
01:43.01 | mrwill | per02: think it is in a directory that begins with . in your home directory. |
01:43.25 | fbs_ | mrwill: i divided the output in 2 messages, hehe |
01:43.49 | mrwill | fbs_: hmmm. looks like it isn't writing the config file for your soundcard. I'm not sure what to do about this. |
01:44.00 | michaelis54 | Ever since trying "testing" ls -la gives me OVERSCORED directory listiings in bash and emacs. Any suggestions for config. Bash problem? Terminal font problem? or someting I'm missing entirely? |
01:44.03 | per02 | mrwill, i've looked in .nautilus, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private and .gconf without much luck |
01:44.16 | fbs_ | mrwill: ill try up google then |
01:44.32 | per02 | mrwill, i also tried to access it through applications:/// on nautilus but it's not there |
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01:45.20 | mrwill | per02: I know it is a flat file somewhere, maybe it isn't in your home dir. I don't really remember. |
01:45.40 | per02 | mrwill, alright... i'll keep looking, thx |
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01:46.00 | michaelis54 | Ever since trying "testing" ls -la gives me OVERSCORED directory listiings in bash and emacs. Any suggestions for config. Bash problem? Terminal font problem? or someting I'm missing entirely? |
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01:46.27 | mrwill | !repeat |
01:46.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions" |
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01:46.29 | dondelelcaro | michaelis54: you've probably got LSCOLORS set weirdly |
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01:46.48 | dondelelcaro | michaelis54: alternatively, your TERM (and or your 'term) are not set compatibly. |
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01:47.25 | jordo23 | Does anyone know why if I have my Samba server set to share; why I cannot write to the server but can read from it? |
01:47.38 | Roadrunne | Hi @ll, where can I get some docs about mirroring a debian server? |
01:47.46 | dondelelcaro | jordo23: because you don't have it set to write in your smb.conf |
01:47.48 | cire | how can I tell cplay which of my two devices it should use? |
01:48.26 | jordo23 | dondelelcaro: Where in the conf do I set it to write? |
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01:49.21 | dondelelcaro | jordo23: FE, where it says writable = no |
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01:49.59 | robn | all i have done is to change anonymous_enable=NO |
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01:50.08 | cire | may I tell cplay which device to use? |
01:50.16 | misfitx7 | what does itmean when depmod has unresolved symbols? |
01:50.26 | secher | <PROTECTED> |
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01:50.47 | mrwill | secher: geez, is there that much bandwidth over bluetooth? |
01:50.52 | dondelelcaro | secher: that's some pretty high bandwidth to be shoving through wireless |
01:51.01 | secher | Or have a suggestion as to where to look? For low bandwidth.. say text only.. |
01:51.15 | dondelelcaro | secher: uh... that's still not low bandwidth |
01:51.20 | mrwill | secher: I don't think what you were displaying would matter in that case. |
01:51.27 | jordo23 | dondelelcaro: It doesn't have that line in the whole file. Do you know which section it should go in? |
01:51.30 | dondelelcaro | secher: about the closest thing you're going to find is probably a thin client |
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01:51.42 | dondelelcaro | jordo23: man smb.conf; and read a bit. |
01:52.08 | secher | dondelelcaro: Good idea.. thin client connected via bluetooth. good starting point. Thnaks. |
01:52.08 | dondelelcaro | jordo23: the answer is that it goes in the appropriate section for whatever device you want to be writable. |
01:52.40 | dondelelcaro | secher: at that point, you're probably looking at something like a laptop anyway... which begins to defeat the purpose |
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01:53.27 | directhex | go go gadget dondelelcaro |
01:53.33 | michaelis54 | dondelelcar: thanks, that gives me some places to look. Weird that I didn't change any of these settings from stock Debian testing. Hmmm... |
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01:54.25 | misfitx7 | what does itmean when depmod has unresolved symbols? |
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01:54.31 | dondelelcaro | michaelis54: which terminal are you using? |
01:54.52 | dondelelcaro | misfitx7: it means that you have unresolved symbols in the module(s) that you're running depmod over... eg, that they aren't the right modules for the kernel that you're running depmod against. |
01:54.52 | misfitx7 | what does itmean when depmod has unresolved symbols? |
01:54.58 | dondelelcaro | misfitx7: stop repeating. |
01:55.00 | mrwill | !repeat |
01:55.01 | dpkg | repeat is, like, if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions" |
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01:55.28 | mrwill | misfitx7: we heard you the first time, but nobody knows the answer right now. |
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01:55.44 | misfitx7 | ok, sorry, meant that for another channel |
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01:56.43 | michaelis54 | dondelelcaro: the prob happens in bash on PTS1/tty1 and in emacs shell buffers |
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02:00.02 | Roldyx | i need ripper video, somebody know some aplication ? |
02:00.14 | Smurg | How do I install files from .tar.gz? |
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02:01.20 | felipe_ | hi there |
02:01.26 | dondelelcaro | great, the ever famous ask a question, and /part |
02:01.27 | duke | how would i make wget simply hit an entire website recursivly but not save the files, or delete them afterwards? |
02:01.27 | felipe_ | how to solve this problem: |
02:01.27 | doublehp | non Debian question: any one could remind me what the "Bureau 103" is ? isnt it a famous case in USA ? in the film JFK ? Wanergate case ? plz, refresh my mind ... |
02:01.30 | felipe_ | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
02:01.54 | doublehp | "Watergate" |
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02:02.32 | dondelelcaro | duke: just have wget hit the website, then delete the files. |
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02:03.02 | duke | dondelelcaro, i don't know how to do that though |
02:03.03 | michaelis54 | Smurg: create an new directory, put the tar.gz file there then run tar (you've read "man tar", right?). That uncompresses the file. Installation after that depends on what you downloaded. |
02:03.29 | duke | i've read man but still dont understand |
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02:03.52 | dondelelcaro | duke: wget -r -l 0 -nd --delete-after foobarbaz; |
02:03.59 | dondelelcaro | duke: FE |
02:04.00 | michaelis54 | dondelelcaro: I'm still here with my silly overscore question. |
02:04.19 | dondelelcaro | michaelis54: yeah, it's most likely TERM, TERMCAP, or LSCOLORS related... |
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02:04.37 | dondelelcaro | michaelis54: run env, and use paster to paste the output |
02:04.38 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
02:04.38 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
02:04.49 | duke | dondelelcaro: awsome, thanks |
02:04.53 | felipe_ | I have load "dri" in the XFree but have this error: Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
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02:05.02 | felipe_ | any idea? |
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02:05.27 | directhex | felipe_, read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log |
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02:05.33 | michaelis54 | dondelelcaro: I'll dig there. Thanks for your help, friend. I'm outta yer hair! |
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02:05.44 | felipe_ | directhex ok |
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02:05.54 | dondelelcaro | !any ideas |
02:05.55 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack of string, a little vegemite, and a handful of sex-crazed oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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02:07.13 | Roadrunne | Hi @ll, where can I get some docs about mirroring a debian server? |
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02:07.47 | felipe_ | directhex seems fine I guess |
02:07.55 | toymachine | sup, can yous guys point me to the kernel compile DEBIAN way howto? |
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02:08.08 | caphuso | toymachine: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
02:08.15 | felipe_ | Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project" compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2 |
02:08.26 | toymachine | sweet |
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02:09.24 | senin | what is the difference between kernel-source and kernel-tree packages |
02:09.34 | manlymatt83 | Is it possible to get a debian machine to authentication via PAM and/or LDAP etc. etc. to a radius server? |
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02:09.43 | cire | is it possible to give arguments for the login shell in passwd file? (and if yes, how?) |
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02:09.54 | felipe_ | directhex inst it fine? |
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02:10.33 | astronut | I may have compiled the loop module in (as opposed to compiling as module)..how do i check? |
02:11.13 | caphuso | astronut: grep CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
02:11.18 | directhex | felipe_, if it were fine, you wouldn't get the message you got. |
02:11.32 | doublehp | nobody got a clue about the Bureau 103 ? |
02:11.45 | dondelelcaro | astronut: check dmesg and look for an anouncement from loop. |
02:11.55 | astronut | says y |
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02:11.59 | felipe_ | directhex yes I know...bu at least where is has to do w/ dri itself, no error is shown |
02:12.00 | astronut | thanks caphuso |
02:12.02 | dondelelcaro | FE loop: loaded (max 8 devices) |
02:12.03 | astronut | how about aes? |
02:12.38 | caphuso | grep AES |
02:12.50 | astronut | hmm |
02:12.54 | astronut | no yes or no |
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02:13.59 | Aaton | manlymatt83: you should be able to get debian to do that... |
02:14.12 | shad0wf4x | is debian better than gentoo? |
02:14.14 | astronut | caphuso: anything else to look for? |
02:14.19 | mattyo | naw |
02:14.23 | astronut | shad0wf4x: that's a matter of opinion |
02:14.25 | mattyo | gentoo is da bomb |
02:14.26 | toymachine | so why should i not unpack my kernel source to /usr/src/linux |
02:14.27 | toymachine | ? |
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02:14.34 | astronut | # CONFIG_CRYPTO is not set |
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02:14.48 | michaelis54 | dondelelcaro: mda@algol:~$ env |
02:14.48 | michaelis54 | KDE_MULTIHEAD=false |
02:14.48 | michaelis54 | SSH_AGENT_PID=1260 |
02:14.49 | michaelis54 | DM_CONTROL=/var/run/xdmctl |
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02:14.50 | Aaton | shad0wf4x: better is a poor way to rate distros.... |
02:14.59 | shad0wf4x | what's a good way? |
02:15.09 | astronut | shad0wf4x: evaluate the features you need |
02:15.12 | manlymatt83 | Aaton: know any documentation? |
02:15.13 | astronut | and look at how you use it |
02:15.17 | astronut | then pick the best FOR YOU |
02:15.21 | manlymatt83 | Thing is, we'd like to store the user's shell in there as well. That would be really nice. |
02:15.30 | shad0wf4x | well what is debian good for as opposed to gentoo? |
02:15.32 | mattyo | but isn't everyone better using gentoo? |
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02:15.40 | michaelis54 | SOOO sorry about that!!! |
02:15.48 | astronut | shad0wf4x: i like it's package managment (but i've never used emerge) |
02:16.06 | dondelelcaro | michaelis54: use the paster bot... |
02:16.08 | dondelelcaro | !paster |
02:16.08 | dpkg | Instead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away. |
02:16.12 | shad0wf4x | i like emerge |
02:16.18 | shad0wf4x | but i hear it's just like apt-get |
02:16.30 | dondelelcaro | shad0wf4x, mattyo: that's great, you can take the meta-troll elsewhere. |
02:16.40 | shad0wf4x | what's meta-troll? |
02:16.52 | manlymatt83 | I'm not trolling. I'm just stating my preference. I like Debian too. |
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02:17.11 | shad0wf4x | i think she's talking about the other matt |
02:17.17 | manlymatt83 | oh okay |
02:17.18 | Aaton | shad0wf4x: well its a matter of choice. Packages or compiling stuff and hope. Gentoo leaves alot to the user to figure out while debian has done some work to simplify some tasks. Its all about what you want to do. I uses debian on my laptop but gentoo on my asterisk server.. |
02:17.23 | paster | "astronut" at 162.39.87.143 pasted "Test paste-disregard" (50 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/237 |
02:17.24 | michaelis54 | !paste |
02:17.24 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
02:17.31 | astronut | cool |
02:17.35 | astronut | i like this new bot thing |
02:17.42 | mattyo | !paste |
02:17.42 | dpkg | [paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff |
02:17.51 | mattyo | #flood |
02:17.52 | chealer | hi, I have some console output at boot (before gdm starts) I'd like to be able to see after boot. I can't find it in dmesg, /var/log/syslog or /var/log messages . is there another thing to try? |
02:17.56 | caphuso | mattyo has a point, gentoo is indeed a bomb. you use it exactly once, and then never again... |
02:18.12 | mattyo | go debian |
02:18.15 | dondelelcaro | chealer: it'll be in /var/log/dmesg |
02:18.22 | mattyo | i actually use it on my box |
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02:18.47 | felipe_ | directhex (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI |
02:19.32 | chealer | dondelelcaro: thanks, but it doesn't seem to be there neither. it's a fatal error concerning a module I think |
02:19.53 | dondelelcaro | chealer: well, it'll either be there, or in dmesg, or it didn't use syslog at all, so it's not logged. |
02:20.00 | Aaton | manlymatt83: not sure if this will help you .. (I've not played with radius + ldap but I have heard it has been done.) |
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02:20.07 | Aaton | manlymatt83: http://www.freeradius.org/radiusd/doc/rlm_ldap |
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02:21.25 | chealer | dondelelcaro: hum, any idea what to do? it's too high in tty1 (it stops scrolling) |
02:21.27 | astronut | there is a .xlogout or something right? |
02:22.45 | caphuso | astronut: not necessary |
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02:22.53 | astronut | caphuso: pardon? |
02:23.05 | caphuso | astronut: a ~/.xlogout is not necessary |
02:23.14 | astronut | caphuso: but can one exist? |
02:23.20 | astronut | and will it run on ctrl + alt + bkspc? |
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02:23.43 | caphuso | astronut: you can simply put the commands you run after closing the session in your ~/.xsession, after the line that starts your window|session manager |
02:24.05 | astronut | caphuso: ohhh..good point... |
02:24.13 | astronut | will it run on ctrl + alt + bkspc though? |
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02:24.28 | manlymatt83 | Where are IP config information kept in debian? |
02:24.39 | TMS | is there a better way to add/remove services, besides doing it manually/update-rc.d? |
02:24.42 | asg | manlymatt83: /etc/network/interfaces |
02:24.43 | dondelelcaro | manlymatt83: /etc/network/interfaces; man 5 interfaces |
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02:24.45 | caphuso | oh, and make sure to not use exec in your .xsession |
02:24.52 | astronut | hmm |
02:24.57 | astronut | i don't use startx |
02:24.58 | dondelelcaro | TMS: you can use file-rc if you want... |
02:24.59 | astronut | i use gdm |
02:25.03 | astronut | which calls startfluxbox |
02:25.07 | manlymatt83 | thanks asg |
02:25.09 | astronut | which calls ~/.fluxbox/startup |
02:25.12 | dondelelcaro | astronut: if you use the Debian session, gdm will use your .xsession |
02:25.23 | astronut | oh really? |
02:25.26 | astronut | ah well |
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02:25.35 | astronut | startfluxbox works, so too lazy to change |
02:25.36 | TMS | dondelelcaro: I'll test it |
02:25.48 | astronut | ya, it uses exec |
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02:25.53 | astronut | but i guess i jsut remove exec, right? |
02:26.07 | jin | hi. what is the program to download a website off the net? |
02:26.10 | sanxiyn | TMS: GDM Debian session works. |
02:26.12 | caphuso | jin: wget |
02:26.12 | astronut | and put it on the end thing? |
02:26.28 | astronut | jin: wget |
02:26.34 | astronut | e:f;b |
02:26.50 | caphuso | astronut: just drop the exec. it makes only sense when you use it for your window manager |
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02:26.56 | astronut | kk |
02:26.58 | astronut | what does it mean? |
02:27.09 | astronut | caphuso: do you know if it will run on ctrl alt bkspc? |
02:27.14 | caphuso | astronut: it should |
02:27.19 | sanxiyn | astronut: help exec |
02:27.26 | sanxiyn | astronut: That will tell something :-) |
02:27.33 | astronut | ah, got ya |
02:27.35 | dimes | Hola All, Anyone know why openswan and l2tpd seem to have dropped out of sarge? Or where I might find out why they were dropped? Thanks |
02:27.35 | astronut | cool |
02:27.42 | caphuso | astronut: it tells the shell to exit instead of suspending itself and waiting for the command after the exit to finish |
02:27.48 | astronut | got ya |
02:28.02 | dondelelcaro | dimes: the usual reason is open RC bugs and unresponsive maintainers |
02:28.15 | astronut | still not sure about ctrl-alt-bkspc...i guess it would since it's a script...but the script is CALLED by gdm, which runs IN x |
02:28.32 | caphuso | astronut: just try it |
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02:28.43 | dimes | dondelelcaro: urgh, I hate when that happens. |
02:28.45 | astronut | good point |
02:28.49 | astronut | i guess a touch will work |
02:28.59 | dondelelcaro | dimes: for openswan, it looks like they've been fixed, and should propogate to testing soon. |
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02:29.22 | dimes | dondelelcaro: Is there some central place I can find out stuff like that? |
02:29.40 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 206804 |
02:29.40 | jin | astronut / caphuso how come it downloads html files only... do i need to set any switch for other types? |
02:29.44 | dpkg | #206804:G[l2tpd] l2tpd: connections fail when run as daemon |
02:29.52 | astronut | jin: does not |
02:29.59 | astronut | wget www.example.com/foo.txt |
02:30.01 | dondelelcaro | dimes: as far as l2tpd, ^^^ will keep it from entering, and being in sarge until it's fixed. |
02:30.01 | astronut | will work fine |
02:30.11 | astronut | brb, testing something |
02:30.21 | sanxiyn | dimes: openswan is replaced by freeswan. |
02:30.34 | jin | cool working now thanks astronut |
02:30.42 | sanxiyn | Eh, no. |
02:30.46 | dimes | sanxiyn: Uhh, didnt openswan replace freeswan? |
02:31.06 | sanxiyn | dimes: Yes, you're right. |
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02:31.18 | sanxiyn | Hm, openswan got removed? |
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02:31.36 | TMS | sanxiyn: GDM Debian session? for startup scripts? |
02:31.45 | dondelelcaro | !iinfo openswan testing |
02:31.46 | dimes | sanxiyn: yeah, that why I am here....it was in just a week or two ago....but has since been dropped |
02:31.50 | dondelelcaro | !info openswan testing |
02:31.58 | dondelelcaro | !info openswan |
02:32.13 | dimes | heh |
02:32.14 | dpkg | openswan: (IPSEC utilities for Openswan), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4856 kB, Installed size: 10212 kB |
02:32.22 | dondelelcaro | yeah, so it's not in testing right now... |
02:32.30 | dondelelcaro | !why is openswan not in testing |
02:32.31 | dpkg | openswan is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openswan |
02:32.35 | dondelelcaro | dimes: see above |
02:32.53 | dimes | dondelelcaro: thats an interesting system |
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02:33.17 | caphuso | regularily in use are screen, xterm, rxvt, linux console, vt420 |
02:33.18 | michal_ | hi.. i have purchased a domain name and now need someone to host it. i have already assigned the domain servers of the people who are going to host it using the web interface provided. can anyone tell mewhat delegation/redelegation involves and why I need to pay for it after already having paid for the domain name? |
02:33.19 | astronut | cool |
02:33.21 | astronut | it worked |
02:33.22 | caphuso | argh |
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02:34.41 | toymachine | is there sound howto when upgradeing to 2.6.x kernels |
02:35.25 | dondelelcaro | michal_: eh? who the hell is asking for delegation or redelegation? |
02:35.42 | toymachine | nm got it |
02:36.01 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: the people who will host the domain name will only do so after completing such a form |
02:36.32 | michaelis54 | !paste michaelis54: this domain name scam is not me. |
02:36.32 | dpkg | that's too long, michaelis54 |
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02:37.07 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: and more specifically AAPT |
02:37.30 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: basically there is no option but to pay for delegation/redelegation |
02:38.00 | dondelelcaro | michal_: find a different hoster |
02:38.02 | astronut | !kernel |
02:38.30 | asg | astronut: /msg the bots |
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02:38.40 | astronut | asg: i never remember which has what |
02:38.44 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: can't.. everything goes through AAPT. they are the ones providing the host to which we need to point a hostname to |
02:38.58 | asg | astronut: /msg <bot> list{keys,vals} <keywords> |
02:38.59 | michal_ | the ip of the host rather |
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02:39.18 | michal_ | but my point was.. what does delegation/redelegation involve? |
02:39.23 | michal_ | isn't it what I have ALREADY done? |
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02:39.39 | ll4-aa | what's the dig command |
02:39.41 | ll4-aa | for install? |
02:39.44 | ll4-aa | apt-get install dig? |
02:39.44 | ll4-aa | or? |
02:39.46 | dondelelcaro | !tell ll4-aa about search |
02:39.47 | asg | ll4-aa: domain information groper |
02:39.54 | ll4-aa | and nslookup? |
02:39.55 | nvz | dondelelcaro: dnsutils, probably |
02:39.55 | asg | ll4-aa: and it's in dnsutils |
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02:39.59 | budi_ | anyone has suggestion what can be used for dial in server? |
02:40.08 | ll4-aa | asg |
02:40.09 | dondelelcaro | nvz: yerp |
02:40.09 | ll4-aa | thank u |
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02:40.41 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh, I tab-completed you huh. |
02:40.47 | dondelelcaro | michal_: why? they obviously don't have a clue what they're doing... so I'd stay the hell away from them if possible |
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02:40.54 | Snadder | how is it possible to have two network interfaces.. on two diffrent subnets.. and be able to ssh into both of them?.. with "advanced routing"? |
02:41.23 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: the same way you'd have two network interfaces on the same subnet... |
02:41.31 | asg | Snadder: as long as both ips are routable from where you are, you can ssh into both |
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02:42.35 | Snadder | asg, lol.. your right.. I just did an typo |
02:43.39 | dondelelcaro | michal_: it's possible what they're talking about is the ip address, and the fact that they want you to buy a range of IPs or something |
02:43.55 | dondelelcaro | michal_: although, for a single server, that sounds kind of wierd to me |
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02:48.56 | kh | anybody can help meeeeeeeee plssss ... im tryin to zip a file, but it gives me: gzip: Shared/ is a directory -- ignored ... how can i fix that ? |
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02:49.21 | asg | kh: tar it first, then gzip it |
02:49.28 | asg | kh: /msg dpkg tar |
02:49.39 | kh | let me try |
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02:50.02 | asg | stu8: Gnu apt? |
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02:50.10 | NobleArc | the hell is GNU apt? |
02:50.16 | Snadder | asg: hm. seems like I was wrong. I can only ping out one "hop". on my second subnet.. and I cant ssh into this second subnet |
02:50.21 | stu8 | isnt that the graphical gnu-apt interface name ? :) |
02:50.22 | Smurg | How can I set the BROWSER enviromental Variable?? |
02:50.34 | Snadder | asg, when I remove the first subnet.. it works to ssh into the second one |
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02:50.41 | TCW | kh, man tar... you generally use tar with different switches for different compression formats |
02:50.56 | asg | Smurg: depends on your shell but 'export BROWERS=val' will work for bash |
02:51.00 | stu8 | gnome-apt... thats what I meant :) |
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02:51.20 | Smurg | asg : and how do i execute .sh files |
02:51.23 | asg | Snadder: you probably have default routes being set by each |
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02:51.25 | travisat_ | stu8: synaptic |
02:51.38 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, asg?.. any sugestions about whats wrong/what I can do? |
02:51.46 | stu8 | travisat... synaptic does take install lists ? |
02:52.00 | Snadder | asg: yes.. I have two default gateways |
02:52.06 | asg | Smurg: /bin/sh /path/to/file ; chmod 750 /path/to/file.sh && /path/to/file.sh |
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02:52.29 | chealer | I found a way to read the messages that scroll at boot : I reboot in recover mode, and then Shift+PageUp to read what was written. unfortunately I can't scroll up beyond a couple tens of lines. would there be a setting that determines how many lines are kept? |
02:52.31 | asg | Snadder: you can only have one default. Choose one, create a static route to the other |
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02:52.52 | nvz | chealer: less /var/log/dmesg |
02:52.52 | Smurg | asg : Export BROWSERS=val doesnt work, when i say sensible-browser , it says none of the browsers worked |
02:53.00 | Snadder | asg: how do I create a static route? |
02:53.05 | nvz | chealer: is the entire log |
02:53.05 | Smurg | asg: How can I set the directory manually |
02:53.06 | starfish | hey scott |
02:53.17 | stu8 | chealer you should be able to scroll up directly |
02:53.17 | asg | Smurg: not Export, 'export BROWSER=<wtf your browser is>' |
02:53.25 | starfish | nvz i have a question |
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02:53.39 | nvz | starfish: I have an answer, but I doubt they match |
02:54.02 | travisat_ | stu8: I don't know. for lists I use apt-get |
02:54.14 | chealer | nvz: it's unfortunately not in /var/log/dmesg (I wonder why) |
02:54.17 | stu8 | travisat, ah OK |
02:54.21 | Smurg | asg : Im trying to install firefox, its in /root/firefox...how do i set it |
02:54.23 | starfish | how do i do this windows emulator for brandy she wants to play one of her games |
02:54.24 | chealer | stu8: there's a limit |
02:54.33 | nvz | chealer: try dmesg | less |
02:54.36 | asg | Snadder: man route (/sbin/route add -net <network> gw <gateway ip> |
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02:54.48 | nvz | starfish: I have no idea. |
02:54.49 | asg | Snadder: ? why not 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox' ? |
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02:55.00 | nvz | starfish: I don't even know what you are talking about |
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02:55.05 | Smurg | asg : Ok how do I remove Mozilla |
02:55.15 | Smurg | asg: apt-get remove mozilla doesnt wrk |
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02:55.20 | starfish | i thought you where talking to someone about it you said |
02:55.38 | kh | TCW, hehehehe ... thanks man, im new on linux xD |
02:55.47 | asg | Smurg: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep mozilla (remove the names in the second column that you don't want) |
02:55.58 | nvz | starfish: I don't reacall. and I am not logging right now |
02:56.13 | TCW | kh, I "know" ;) |
02:56.29 | Smurg | asg : Thanks man |
02:56.37 | cef | anyone know when/if mozilla-sunbird is going to be packaged for debian? |
02:56.47 | asg | cef: wtf is sunbird? |
02:56.48 | TCW | that's why my hint was somewhat more verbose ;) |
02:56.55 | cef | asg: calandering app |
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02:57.15 | starfish | well anyway i need a windows emulator for brandys games |
02:57.23 | Snadder | asg: is it possible to set theese static routes in /etc/network/interfaces? |
02:57.32 | asg | cef: probably, check www.debian.org/devel/wnpp to see if someone has submitted a rfp. |
02:57.39 | cef | asg: supports shared calendars via webdav/ftp and email, etc. |
02:57.53 | asg | Snadder: yes, use a 'up /sbin/route ...' |
02:57.56 | nvz | starfish: all I know about is cedega, and it requires you have a DRI enabled X server with 3d accell as far as I know. so you would first need drivers in your kernel and X server for whatever video card you have |
02:58.00 | kh | TCW and i dont know if i am doing right or so well ... but i did: tar -c filename and now there is lots and lots of leters, symbols etc ... that is right ? |
02:58.03 | asg | Snadder: in the interface specification |
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02:59.00 | wntd | osh 6995 0.2 0.0 0 0 ? ZNs 18:58 0:00 [fortune] <defunct> |
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02:59.07 | cef | asg: just getting crap from someone in management about shared calendars.. *grin* |
02:59.17 | FieldySnuts | find out fortune's parent (pstree), and kill that |
02:59.22 | wntd | I have 3 or four dozon of these [fortune] <defunct> processes |
02:59.22 | asg | cef: yeah, I know how that goes |
02:59.24 | FieldySnuts | note that any child of said parent will die too |
02:59.30 | stu8 | asg... does any use of apt-get install dependencies too ? (any... I mean, always ?) |
02:59.54 | nvz | wntd: killall fortune |
02:59.55 | Atomon | I just installed woody. this is my first linux experience. I can't get XFree86 to work and I think it's because my video card is a GeForce 6800. Can someone help me out? |
02:59.56 | asg | stu8: yes (unless you are using sid, at which point all bets are off.) |
03:00.04 | FieldySnuts | he can't do that if they're defunct, do what I said |
03:00.05 | stu8 | ah OK thanks |
03:00.26 | asg | Atomon: woody was released long before that card so only vesa will work. I suggest you install the newer and soon to be released 'sarge' instead (/msg dpkg d-i) |
03:00.27 | wntd | ah! It's the apple2 xscreensaver |
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03:00.33 | nvz | heh |
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03:01.02 | nvz | a mac mini, yee haw :P |
03:01.06 | stu8 | ("mac mini" ?) |
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03:01.28 | nvz | stu8: yeah apple finally released a pc normal people can afford |
03:01.34 | michal_ | dondelelcaro: it seems like they refuse to add any records the domain name to their nameservers without a deomain name redelegation order form being filled out |
03:01.35 | NobleArc | I'll mac YOUR mini. |
03:01.40 | stu8 | nvz lol |
03:01.44 | nvz | stu8: they call it the mini, comes without key, mouse, speakers, screen..etc |
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03:01.52 | NobleArc | It doesn't come with anything. |
03:01.53 | nvz | stu8: from what I understand |
03:01.56 | NobleArc | It's an empty box, I tell you. |
03:02.00 | nvz | haha |
03:02.01 | Atomon | asg: so sarge has support for the 6800? When i installed woody i was using a tutorial which mentioned that i couldn't use a USB mouse with woody. is this true of sarge too? |
03:02.03 | cef | asg: ahh found a rfp, and noticed that asac is looking to package it 'at some stage' |
03:02.04 | asg | michal_: fill out the form but don't pay them any money. |
03:02.15 | stu8 | nvz... they could have save even more money if it came without a board or chip too :) |
03:02.20 | wntd | oh snap |
03:02.24 | asg | Atomon: usb in general (due to newer kernels) is much better in sarge. |
03:02.30 | TCW | kh, I know that the manpage of tar is a bit confusing (maybe too complex) for newbies... so a liitle credit for that ;) just user tar like that if you want to gzip a folder: >> tar cvzf output.tgz /path/to/folder/ << "c" stands for "create", "v" = verbose output (you probably wanne see what tar is doing), "z" = gzip format (nice alternative would be "j" for bzip2), "f" = "file" followed by the filename of the output. |
03:02.30 | nvz | stu8: they probably thought of that already |
03:02.30 | wntd | okay, I've connected with ssh -X |
03:02.49 | wntd | now how do I get those programs to show up on my Mac's X11 server |
03:02.53 | Atomon | asg: so is there any reason for me to use a USB->PS/2 converter in sarge (dug one outta the closet for woody) |
03:02.58 | dondelelcaro | michal_: hahahaha |
03:02.58 | stu8 | well... as long as the mini has one of those snazzy clear cases, I'll try it :) |
03:03.09 | TCW | kh, oh... and "path/to/folder/" is the folder you wanna backup :) |
03:03.17 | asg | Atomon: I don't know if sarge supports 6800s specifically but I know that your chances of it working are greater. Perhaps someone else here knows about that particular card. |
03:03.23 | TCW | s/backup/compress/ |
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03:03.31 | dondelelcaro | michal_: yeah, that should be a real warning sign to you that your hosting company is shit. |
03:03.37 | kh | all right |
03:03.56 | asg | Atomon: you should have no problems with usb mice and keyboards in sarge (at least using the 2.6.8 kernels) |
03:03.58 | dondelelcaro | michal_: a good hosting company wouldn't care about such a thing |
03:04.03 | kh | that helps to much :D |
03:04.13 | kh | TCW, thanks man, i appreciate it |
03:04.14 | TCW | kh, to me more specific... the "-" before the options is not necessary but it is not forbidden also |
03:04.19 | asg | michal_: it's an easily scripted process. If they are charging you, they are probably manually updating zone files. |
03:04.21 | TCW | s/me/be/ |
03:04.26 | stu8 | OK... so, with the debian 3 release, can you also use debs from earlier releases, or is it newer than only ? |
03:04.28 | Atomon | asg: Kind of an unrelated question, but once i get sarge installed and X working, is it easy enough to install KDE? |
03:04.30 | starfish | nvz i talked to AOL |
03:04.43 | nvz | starfish: oh boy :) |
03:04.44 | asg | stu8: you should only use debs for the release you have. |
03:05.00 | asg | stu8: in some cases, you can use sid debs with sarge (at least right now.) |
03:05.01 | starfish | there gonna give us back close to 100 |
03:05.11 | nvz | starfish: thats decent. |
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03:05.25 | nvz | !28.90*6 |
03:05.26 | dpkg | 173.4 |
03:05.32 | stu8 | asg...OK thanks (stu8 <-- debian newbie) |
03:05.32 | nvz | its over half I guess |
03:05.35 | asg | stu8: the only reason to do that is for a security issue or a bugfix |
03:05.37 | kh | ok |
03:05.38 | starfish | try to offer me more of there glorified web browser for free |
03:05.44 | nvz | starfish: their |
03:05.47 | starfish | try=tried |
03:06.01 | kh | TCW, than you... i have to go, but i'll be back later |
03:06.01 | kh | xDD |
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03:06.05 | asg | stu8: lots more info can be found in the debian reference at www.debian.org/doc |
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03:06.14 | kh | thank you* |
03:06.22 | TCW | kh, you're welcome :) |
03:06.26 | co0mmand | hello. i removed /etc/apache2. and when i try install apache2.. i wont see nothing in /etc/apache2.. why?? |
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03:06.34 | stu8 | asg thanks again, will look |
03:06.39 | asg | stu8: you're welcome |
03:06.41 | TCW | kh, but... next time... read the fucking manpage on your own! :p |
03:06.51 | kh | xDDDDDDDDD |
03:06.52 | co0mmand | asg hi lol |
03:06.53 | kh | i willlllllllll |
03:06.55 | co0mmand | hello. i removed /etc/apache2. and when i try install apache2.. i wont see nothing in /etc/apache2.. why?? |
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03:06.59 | starfish | they said the rest of the monet take it up with the bank |
03:07.07 | Atomon | asg: ? |
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03:07.12 | starfish | mnoet=money geez |
03:07.12 | drac | !tell co0mmand about repeat |
03:07.13 | asg | co0mmand: apt-get install --reinstall apache2 |
03:07.20 | co0mmand | asg it dont work |
03:07.21 | co0mmand | lol |
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03:07.22 | co0mmand | i tried |
03:07.22 | m0rbid | I had ALSA working fine, then I did an upgrade to testing, discover seems to have noticed everything, but when I reboot, I allways have to run alsaconf to get my soundcard to work again, but it loads my tvTuner card fine.. Problem is, since the upgrade, ALSAconf doesnt load the soundcard anymore. Any suggestions? |
03:07.26 | co0mmand | it dont work |
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03:07.37 | starfish | my keyboard went retarded |
03:07.37 | asg | Atomon: sorry, I missed your question. Installing kde is easy after you do that |
03:07.39 | asg | !install kde |
03:07.40 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
03:07.41 | nvz | starfish: about the wintendo.. you only have two options emulation by something like wine or cedega that is actually a re-written win32 API for linux, or a PC emulator where you actually install a copy of windows.. and considering you have a PII w/ 128MB ram I really dont know that either would be worth it |
03:07.51 | co0mmand | -bash: cd: /etc/apache2: No such file or directory |
03:07.52 | co0mmand | :((( |
03:07.59 | co0mmand | what's wrong |
03:08.01 | nvz | starfish: its probably a pebcak |
03:08.28 | m0rbid | co0mmand: ls /etc/| grep apache |
03:08.33 | m0rbid | erk |
03:08.39 | m0rbid | co0mmand: ls /etc/ | grep apache |
03:08.40 | Atomon | asg: sorry to be a total noob, but would you recommend kde or kde-core? |
03:08.48 | kfogel_ | co0mmand: I just joined the channel, so I may be missing some context here, but: did you install your own apache2, or did you get it from a debian package (i.e., apt-get)? |
03:08.50 | co0mmand | -bash: /etc/: is a directory |
03:08.55 | asg | Atomon: I've never used it, I'd suggest asking #debian-kde in that case. |
03:08.59 | co0mmand | yep |
03:09.01 | m0rbid | kdecore if you are running another WM |
03:09.04 | starfish | so i should just put windows on one of these other hd's? |
03:09.04 | co0mmand | i did it with apt |
03:09.05 | Atomon | asg: cool, thanks |
03:09.10 | asg | Atomon: you're welcome |
03:09.14 | kfogel_ | co0mmand: ah, okay |
03:09.18 | co0mmand | apt-get install apache2. and rm -rf /etc/apache2 .. now? |
03:09.26 | m0rbid | co0mmand: ls /etc | grep apache |
03:09.28 | m0rbid | hmmm |
03:09.29 | m0rbid | wait |
03:09.33 | co0mmand | nothing |
03:09.36 | kfogel_ | co0mmand: So, you typed "ls /etc | grep apache", and you got a bash error? |
03:09.44 | co0mmand | nop |
03:09.49 | co0mmand | just nothing |
03:09.52 | kfogel_ | co0mmand: oh |
03:09.55 | co0mmand | ultra:/var/cache/apt/archives# ls /etc | grep apache |
03:09.55 | co0mmand | ultra:/var/cache/apt/archives# |
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03:10.22 | nvz | starfish: I would think so, if you must have windows for games, you might as well just install it. running a PC emulator means sharing resources, and using an emulator means having to setup drivers for the ATI Rage onboard, and I dont know how fast the games will even run on that pc |
03:10.42 | starfish | brb tea |
03:10.52 | Atomon | asg: oh, one more question. i have a AMD 64-bit processor. is there an easy way to get a 64-bit version of debian or should i just runin 32-bit mode/ |
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03:11.06 | nvz | starfish: its not a real popular subject in the linux community, but asking a person like me who certainly doesnt care and would never use such a thing doesnt help you any.. I am always going to not think its a good idea |
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03:11.24 | kfogel_ | co0mmand: "find /etc -name "*httpd*" -print" |
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03:11.59 | co0mmand | nothing |
03:12.00 | co0mmand | again |
03:12.04 | smj | Hey guys, anyone know of which command I can use to generate a random hash? I'm generating an SSID for a wireless access point. |
03:12.09 | m0rbid | do you even have it installed? |
03:12.17 | decklin | smj: mcookie |
03:12.31 | nvz | cookie monster? |
03:12.37 | co0mmand | yea |
03:12.48 | m0rbid | If you apt-get install apache2, itll say if you have it installed or not.. Unless hwoever you compiled it from source. |
03:12.49 | co0mmand | i installed it apt-get install apache2 --reinstall |
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03:12.54 | starfish | i figured out why grams internet was running so slow and timing out |
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03:13.08 | kfogel_ | smj: cat /dev/random > foo; md5sum foo |
03:13.13 | asg | Atomon: there is a amd64 debian port |
03:13.15 | nvz | starfish: yeah, I imagine she spilled cappuccino on the modem |
03:13.20 | co0mmand | when i install, i will see nothing in /etc/apache2 |
03:13.23 | smj | kfogel_, decklin, nvz: Thanks. I appreciate the quick answer. Now I've got some answers. :-) |
03:13.32 | meff | anyone use joysticks much in linux? the axis on my gravis xterminator triggers movement in applications wwaayy too easy.. its very sensitive, i can tap it and the app will recognize it.. is there any way globally to set linux to make the axis less sensitive? |
03:13.33 | asg | Atomon: try #debian-amd64 for more info |
03:13.41 | smj | kfogel_, decklin, nvz: s/answers/options |
03:13.41 | m0rbid | Now, any sound card gurus on? I cant get this damn thing to work, I modprobed it, discover finds it, but xmms doesnt seem to run it. |
03:13.46 | Atomon | asg: thanks again for knowing all the answers, heh |
03:13.51 | nvz | smj: no problem, considering I didnt even say anything to you ;) |
03:13.57 | TCW | co0mmand, what does "dpkg --get-selections |grep apache" state? |
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03:14.11 | asg | Atomon: you're welcome |
03:14.18 | co0mmand | apache apachecommon install |
03:14.21 | co0mmand | apache2 install |
03:14.21 | m0rbid | dpkg --get-selections | grep apache |
03:14.21 | dpkg | m0rbid: I give up, what is it? |
03:14.22 | co0mmand | i saw |
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03:14.32 | co0mmand | apache2-common install |
03:14.33 | co0mmand | apache2-mpm-worker install |
03:14.34 | starfish | well thats what it was but i think its like 7 years old so i told her to take it to adelphia and get a new one ....she rents it from them so shed paid for that old one about 3 times now |
03:14.35 | co0mmand | .. |
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03:15.09 | m0rbid | co0mmand: what happens when you do apt=get install apache2? Does it say its allready the latest version? |
03:15.18 | jak | anyone install the CLE266 Via drivers in debian? |
03:15.19 | co0mmand | m0rbid yep |
03:15.28 | smj | nvz: Oh, I thought your "cookie monster" comment was in response to decklin's response. Ooops. :-) |
03:15.31 | m0rbid | well then do apt-get remove apache2 --purge |
03:15.33 | m0rbid | and reinstall it |
03:15.38 | co0mmand | Unpacking apache2 (from .../apache2_2.0.52-3_i386.deb) ... |
03:15.38 | co0mmand | Setting up apache2 (2.0.52-3) ... |
03:15.38 | co0mmand | ultra:/var/www# |
03:15.42 | m0rbid | well, thats that I would do |
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03:16.03 | co0mmand | -bash: cd: /etc/apache2: No such file or directory |
03:16.04 | co0mmand | again |
03:16.05 | co0mmand | .. |
03:16.06 | nvz | jak: http://www.google.com/search?q=anyone+install+the+CLE266+VIA+drivers+in+debian |
03:16.14 | wasabi_ | What package is debian-archive.gpg in? Or is it available on a web site? |
03:16.16 | Snadder | asg, to be able to use the second interface from anywhere.. what network/netmask do I need to use then? |
03:16.31 | nvz | jak: come back when you have a real question :) google is your frind for usage polls |
03:16.36 | TCW | co0mmand, did you purge it first? |
03:16.46 | co0mmand | yeah |
03:16.47 | co0mmand | TCW. |
03:17.02 | nvz | smj: it was, but I dont see how making a joke was of any help to you. |
03:17.06 | TCW | co0mmand, what do you use? sarge? |
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03:17.28 | jordo23 | can someone help me with my smb.conf file? |
03:17.29 | smj | nvz: Point taken. |
03:17.32 | smj | nvz: :-) |
03:17.44 | m0rbid | jordo23: whats the problem? |
03:17.55 | co0mmand | aa amin |
03:17.56 | asg | co0mmand: apt-get install --reinstall apache2-common |
03:17.57 | drac | co0mmand: apt-get remove --purge apache2, then create empty directory /etc/apache2, and install again. |
03:18.00 | co0mmand | yeah sarge |
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03:18.03 | jordo23 | m0rbid: Well.....I had a connection, but screwed up my smb.conf file... |
03:18.11 | Snadder | asg, still alive? |
03:18.14 | m0rbid | jordo23: whats the problem? |
03:18.17 | asg | Snadder: barely :) |
03:18.29 | co0mmand | ultra:/etc/apache2# ls |
03:18.29 | jordo23 | m0rbid: I tried to rewrite it, now i cant get a connection... |
03:18.30 | co0mmand | apache2.conf httpd.conf mods-enabled sites-available |
03:18.35 | co0mmand | aa.. asg thank you! |
03:18.36 | co0mmand | :P |
03:18.41 | asg | co0mmand: you're welcome |
03:18.43 | m0rbid | jordo23: what the error? |
03:18.44 | co0mmand | hehe |
03:18.57 | jordo23 | m0rbid: do I have to restart the server whenever I change the smb.conf? |
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03:19.11 | TCW | drac, why sould he manually create a directory? I dunno what he's doing wrong but that is a realy strange "solution" :p |
03:19.12 | nvz | jordo23: depends, if you use daemon or inetd |
03:19.12 | Snadder | asg, do you know the answer/want to help me with it..?.. or should I ask someone else;O |
03:19.14 | m0rbid | jordo23: /etc/init.d samba restart |
03:19.21 | co0mmand | TCW m0rbid thanks. |
03:19.29 | m0rbid | jordo23: '/etc/init.d/samba restart' rather |
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03:19.35 | m0rbid | co0mmand: np |
03:19.38 | nvz | m0rbid: if you don't use initd |
03:19.40 | drac | tcw, maybe but it helped me sometimes. ;P |
03:19.43 | nvz | er inetd |
03:20.00 | m0rbid | nvz: how many people dont use the daemon? |
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03:20.16 | asg | Snadder: I'd ask someone else, I have to go; my apologies. |
03:20.17 | nvz | m0rbid: *shrug* I don't get emailed usage statistics |
03:20.21 | TCW | drac, compiling from source may help too sometimes... but... what are we using here? It is still debian, heh? ;) |
03:20.30 | drac | heh, right. |
03:20.33 | nvz | m0rbid: but from what my sources saym with inetd it doesnt have to be restarted |
03:20.36 | Snadder | asg: ok, np. thanks for the help so far:) |
03:20.40 | m0rbid | nvz: true, good point. *bows* |
03:20.52 | TMS | what alternatives are there to update-rc.d and file-rc? |
03:21.16 | m0rbid | nvz: I run the daemon, and I dont get usage reports. I feel left out now. |
03:21.26 | Snadder | anyone know what network/netmask I need to use in an static route on a second interface, to be able to use the interface from anywhere? |
03:21.38 | nvz | m0rbid: yeah I run it as daemons as well. |
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03:22.03 | jordo23 | m0rbid: ok...did that....can't see my server from my xp box anymore... |
03:22.08 | drac | tms, check "sysv-rc-conf" and "rcconf" |
03:22.14 | TCW | Snadder, that is highly dependent on your network settings |
03:22.14 | nvz | m0rbid: but I am an ig'nernt yinzer, so you should not believe in me :) |
03:22.36 | TMS | drac: I will. do you know, by chance, if there is a webmin module for it? |
03:22.40 | m0rbid | jordo23: apt-get install smbclient, do smbtree, do you see your XP server? |
03:22.48 | drac | !webmin |
03:22.49 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on. Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g) |
03:23.13 | jordo23 | m0rbid: xp isn't running a server.... |
03:23.22 | Snadder | TCW: I got 255.255.252.0 network with a gateway.. and a 255.255.255.224 network with another gateway |
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03:23.27 | rellik | I'm trying to write a simple script that will feed commands to a webserver via telnet, then save the resulting file.. the problem is that telnet seems to die as soon as it seems it's STDIN close (when it's input reaches EOF)... so telnet dies before the server has a chance to respond.. any ideas as to how to fix this? I've tried "echo <commands> | telnet <host> <port>" and "telnet <host> <port> < <commands_file>"... both have same problem |
03:23.35 | jordo23 | m0rbid: trying to setup a samba server on my linux box... |
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03:23.58 | m0rbid | jordo23: install smbclient, and run smbtree |
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03:24.02 | Snadder | TCW, the network with netmask 255.255.255.224 got the default gw set |
03:24.08 | TMS | !alternative method for ridiculous rc-script handling |
03:24.15 | TMS | hm, nothing |
03:24.22 | nvz | rellik: that sounds real secure ;) |
03:24.47 | nvz | </sarcasm> |
03:25.11 | Snadder | TCW, but I cant ssh to the ip on the 255.255.252.0 network, I can only use it from within that network |
03:25.17 | wasabi_ | Are there any performance tuning things I can do to make Linux more responsive. For instance, when I have heavy disk activity, X sometimes locks up for a second. I assume it is just a program blocking on a read or write. No big deal. But it doesn't happen in WIndows... it seems desktop programs are able to "go first". |
03:25.29 | jordo23 | m0rbid: did that....prompting me for a password... |
03:25.38 | m0rbid | jordo23: hit enter |
03:25.52 | TCW | Snadder, so what? Those netmask and network addresses look very... ehm.... how should I say it... let's say "specific" so one could only help if he or she (or it) knows your network completely |
03:25.56 | jordo23 | m0rbid: went to the next line.... |
03:26.01 | m0rbid | ok |
03:26.29 | jordo23 | nothing happened.... |
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03:26.30 | m0rbid | jordo23: do 'ps aux | grep samba' see if its running at all |
03:26.45 | Snadder | TCW, its nothing special about it.. its two plain normal gateways |
03:27.08 | m0rbid | I mean.. |
03:27.09 | nvz | m0rbid: smbd |
03:27.10 | Snadder | TCW, on two "normal" and diffrent subnets |
03:27.16 | m0rbid | jordo23: do 'ps aux | grep smbd' see if its running at all |
03:27.18 | m0rbid | hehe |
03:27.19 | m0rbid | thx |
03:27.20 | jordo23 | did that... |
03:27.25 | jordo23 | how do I tell... |
03:27.32 | stu8 | ummm... priorities maybe ? |
03:27.32 | m0rbid | itll show it |
03:27.42 | Snadder | TCW, i'm just trying to use both my interfaces from outside its own network |
03:27.54 | m0rbid | did you replace samba with smbd? |
03:27.55 | jordo23 | should be running... |
03:28.02 | m0rbid | jordo23: do 'ps aux | grep smbd' see if its running at all |
03:28.02 | TCW | Snadder, what is "outside"? |
03:28.04 | Snadder | TCW, I know each of them work aline |
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03:28.13 | jordo23 | did that... |
03:28.23 | m0rbid | just goes to the next line? |
03:28.31 | TCW | Snadder, would you mind drawing a scheme or graphic? ;) |
03:28.33 | Snadder | TCW, thats when someone which is not in this subnet tries to connect to the the box |
03:28.38 | jordo23 | no....I see about four lines of text... |
03:28.46 | Snadder | -the |
03:28.52 | m0rbid | paste them in #flood |
03:29.01 | TCW | Snadder, the box in the other subnet? |
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03:29.40 | nvz | I still havent got my timezone set right :P |
03:29.53 | Snadder | well.. its one box, with two interfaces on two diffrent subnets |
03:30.00 | nvz | that tzconfig puzzles me |
03:30.12 | Snadder | TCW, I only got one default gateway |
03:30.21 | jordo23 | back |
03:30.22 | m0rbid | jordo23: its not running. |
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03:30.31 | Snadder | TCW, so I need to add the other interface with an static route |
03:30.34 | TCW | Snadder, confusing... really :) |
03:30.40 | jordo23 | m0rbid: what should I do? |
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03:31.00 | m0rbid | jordo23: read towards the end of /var/log/syslog, see if theres an error |
03:31.02 | TMS | drac: rcconf was ok. thanks |
03:31.13 | Snadder | TCW, kidding?.. i'm trying to boost up my internet.. with two diffrent internet connections |
03:31.14 | m0rbid | or, read the samba error logs, which are at... ermmm... hang on |
03:31.47 | TCW | Snadder, ohhh... you mean kind of a load balancing with two cable or dsl links? |
03:31.52 | TCW | meen |
03:31.57 | TCW | err... mean ;) |
03:32.13 | Snadder | TCW, no. just so i'm able to ssh to both of theese connections |
03:32.30 | TCW | Snadder, so... wher is the problem? |
03:32.39 | m0rbid | ermm, my soundcard, please someone, help me not get the hammer. |
03:32.50 | Snadder | the problem is to get up both interfaces. so I can ssh to both of them |
03:32.59 | m0rbid | Why cant I get it to work, I modprobed it, that went well, but still wont work |
03:33.15 | Snadder | TCW, the interface with an default gateway works good |
03:33.25 | Snadder | TCW, but I cant have two default gateways |
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03:33.39 | TCW | Snadder, the way you explain your situaition is really "cheese" and confusing |
03:33.42 | jordo23 | m0rbid: did you see in #flood? |
03:33.50 | TCW | cheesy |
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03:34.11 | m0rbid | jordo23: why are you setting a DomainMaster ? |
03:34.12 | Snadder | whats confusing?. theese two interfaces? |
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03:34.21 | jordo23 | I didn't know I was... |
03:34.27 | jordo23 | Is that in smb.conf? |
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03:34.47 | m0rbid | jordo23: the only thing you really have to set for a basic smb config is the WORKGROUP, and the shares.. |
03:34.53 | Smurg | Hi How do I add some commands to the linux startup? I want to execute some commands after it starts up..Something like msconfig in windows |
03:34.55 | m0rbid | sont edit anything you dont know what it is.. |
03:34.59 | TCW | Snadder, everything! What IS the problem? To bring up an interface or to set up a static route? |
03:35.07 | jordo23 | I have those set....here's the file in #flood. |
03:35.07 | m0rbid | jordo23: my advice?? apt-get remove samba --purge |
03:35.12 | m0rbid | jordo23: then reinstall it. |
03:35.26 | nvz | apt-get install --reinstall samba |
03:35.27 | nvz | then |
03:35.34 | m0rbid | yes |
03:35.36 | m0rbid | thx |
03:35.43 | Snadder | TCW, ok.. to set up the static route, so I can connect to it from any box on the internet |
03:36.01 | Smurg | How do I add some commands to linux startup? |
03:36.09 | jordo23 | m0rbid: did you see that in #flood? |
03:36.10 | Smurg | I want to execute a few scripts |
03:36.32 | nvz | Smurg: you either add them to an existing bootscript like /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, or create a new one and link it |
03:36.36 | TCW | Snadder, *narf* to connect to WHAT machine? The gateway? The one box which is behind both gateways? |
03:36.46 | m0rbid | jordo23: yes, you changed somethings, like I said, the only thing you have to change is workgroup, and your shares, and maybe some home directories. |
03:36.55 | Snadder | TCW, yes.. which is behind both gateways |
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03:37.19 | nvz | Smurg: in debian the bootscripts are in /etc/init.d/ and the links to start and stop them are pur in /etc/rc[0-6].d/ |
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03:37.31 | jordo23 | M0rbid: so you think I should just reinstall it? |
03:37.46 | m0rbid | jordo23: man samba. read it well, prolly the only man page I have read, also, learn the defaults before you play with advanced settings. |
03:37.53 | Snadder | TCW, I can reach the first interface (the one which got a default gateway) |
03:37.54 | TCW | Snadder, ahh... so this box has an official ICANN registered IP address? |
03:38.01 | Kupal[]_ | hmm.. anyone know of any good streaming media sites for southpark im dying here and I need a laugh |
03:38.11 | Snadder | TCW, yes.. it got two official ipadresses |
03:38.16 | m0rbid | jordo23: also, comment out the default lines, and re-type them underneath, so you allways know what the defaults are |
03:38.25 | Snadder | TCW, static ones |
03:38.50 | m0rbid | jordo23: yes, apt-get remove samba --purge && apt-get install --reinstall samba |
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03:39.27 | TCW | Snadder, so you just want to add a static route... nothing more? |
03:39.35 | Snadder | TCW, yep. nothing more |
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03:39.58 | Snadder | TCW, but the problem is.. what netmask/network do I need to spesify? |
03:40.08 | Snadder | TCW, in the static route |
03:40.13 | TCW | Snadder, route add -net foobar... |
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03:40.21 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: you need to specify a netmask appropriate to whatever networks that router can reach |
03:40.39 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, this router can reach every other network |
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03:40.42 | TCW | Snadder, for sure the network address and netmask of the network itself thet link belongs too |
03:40.46 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: ok, you're in a more complicated position. |
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03:40.52 | smj | Ok, I'm being lazy again. Anyone know of a command that converts all of the lower case chars in a string to upper case? |
03:40.56 | drp | (<-- new to debian and unix in general) Ok I'm trying to install a package that I downloaded using apt-get. I added this line to my sources.list deb file:/home/cwerner/debian-packages unstable main but I get the error: Couldn't stat source package list file |
03:40.56 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: you're going to need to read the lartc to get that working correctly. |
03:41.00 | dondelelcaro | smj: tr |
03:41.11 | dondelelcaro | smj: sed 'tr/a-z/A-Z/' FE |
03:41.11 | jordo23 | m0rbid: I reinstalled it....and it kept the same conf file... |
03:41.18 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
03:41.18 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
03:41.25 | smj | dondelelcaro: I didn't think it was that easy. Thanks! |
03:41.26 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, ok.. thanks!:) |
03:41.33 | _joey_ | ip address and netmask without network address is sufficient |
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03:41.43 | _joey_ | natmask sets network boundaries |
03:41.43 | m0rbid | jordo23: it didnt purge it. |
03:42.03 | Jose | hi folks |
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03:42.07 | jordo23 | m0rbid: this is what I got when trying to purge (#flood) |
03:42.14 | Smurg | anyone agrees with me that Ms Windows sucks? |
03:42.19 | dondelelcaro | Snadder: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html <-- this is what you're going to spend a while reading and understanding |
03:42.23 | Jose | amen, smurg |
03:42.29 | Kupal[]_ | _joey_, if you don't declare your netmask it will give the default netmask for the class.. |
03:42.36 | Kupal[]_ | atleast say it right. |
03:42.37 | nvz | Smurg: yeah wintendo sucks |
03:42.40 | m0rbid | jordo23: apt-get remove samba --purge |
03:42.45 | _joey_ | Kupal[]_ why are you telling me this? |
03:42.47 | Smurg | nvz : wintendo :) good one.. |
03:42.47 | m0rbid | jordo23: exactly like that |
03:43.18 | Jose | i thought it was windoze and internet exploder ... kinda like chip and dale |
03:43.27 | nvz | Smurg: only kids and grandmas play wintendo |
03:43.30 | m0rbid | jordo23: IMO, if you cant use apt* you really shouldnt be playing with samba as of yet .... =/ |
03:43.31 | Kupal[]_ | _joey_: i dunno, but you could you explain this pptp stuff on linux :) |
03:43.43 | _joey_ | my pptp ? |
03:43.50 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, goodie..:)) |
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03:44.00 | Smurg | "Spin a Microsoft CD backwards and you get satanic messages, but hey, spin it forwards and it installs windows..Think whats better for your computer" |
03:44.05 | nvz | Smurg: if they'd make a decent greeting card shop for linux, then at least the grandma's would be able to use linux |
03:44.13 | TCW | hmmm... dondelelcaro, does Snadder need lartc because if link "a" is the way to the default gateway but the connection from the internet arrived through link "b" but the answer for that connection goes (because of the default route) through link "a"? |
03:44.13 | m0rbid | Smurg: lol |
03:44.16 | Smurg | nvz : yeah |
03:44.16 | Kupal[]_ | soundslike you know this stuff i would love to go over it with someone thats smarter then me.. |
03:44.23 | _joey_ | Kupal[]_ what are you talking about? |
03:44.35 | felipe | what is the diference between kernel-image-2.4.27-1 and kernel-image-2.4.27-2 ?? |
03:44.50 | dondelelcaro | TCW: the direction that packets travel aren't really an issue... if the packets get where they're going, it's all good. |
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03:44.54 | nvz | need to attract some artists to design some clipart and make a gimp cardshop |
03:45.01 | Kupal[]_ | nm |
03:45.01 | jordo23 | m0rbid: what's the default path to the smb.conf... |
03:45.10 | TCW | dondelelcaro, so... why does he need lartc? |
03:45.19 | Jose | is anyone familiar with NetBeans 3.6 running on linux box ??? |
03:45.22 | dondelelcaro | TCW: the reason why you want the lartc is so that you actually make use of the upstream bandwith on the second provider, which you won't use without it. |
03:45.30 | _joey_ | as for setting up vpns on linux I'd never use pptp on it |
03:45.38 | Smurg | nvz : Well, I think more number of ppl are out there developing linux than the whole of MS, so, well, all we need is good marketing |
03:45.48 | Jose | is anyone familiar with NetBeans 3.6 running on linux box ??? |
03:46.22 | TCW | dondelelcaro, but he said that he just want to reach the "other" link (ip address) and does not want to have a load-balancing-setup... |
03:46.35 | Smurg | nvz : and I heard that MS secretly incorporated a lot of Linux source into X-Box |
03:47.04 | Eagle101 | help. In kde, any sound file that i play, the sound skips...i am using Alsa, and artsd is disabled...please help |
03:47.07 | Jose | i'd bet that Microsoft.com is hosted by a Debian box |
03:47.20 | dondelelcaro | TCW: you'll always be able to reach the other link if you have sshd running on both links... it just means that the packets will return via the default gateway instead |
03:47.23 | nvz | I dont know about that. |
03:47.43 | Kupal[]_ | Jose, no they upgraded to 2003, unix isn't expected till longhorn will be out, till then they have been reseting thier servers every three months or so. |
03:47.46 | Kupal[]_ | Amazing. |
03:47.46 | jordo23 | m0rbid: what's the default path to the smb.conf file? |
03:47.56 | dondelelcaro | (or rather, the other IP) |
03:48.01 | TCW | dondelelcaro, I know (I think *g*) but that does not explain why he *needs* lartc |
03:48.15 | nvz | Kupal[]_: their uptime counters last more than 48 hours now? |
03:48.22 | Smurg | Longhorn -- lol...man they try too hard |
03:48.26 | Jose | longhorn was due out end of 2004 .. guess it didn't make it in time |
03:48.30 | m0rbid | jordo23: /etc/samba, if your asking for the configurator, leave it default. |
03:48.36 | nvz | Jose: haha |
03:48.39 | dondelelcaro | TCW: he doesn't need it per-se. It's just the only sane way to have the thing set up. |
03:48.51 | Kupal[]_ | yeah, i saw a m$ brag paper how they are seeing amazing uptime figures now "like 3mo's and MORE!" |
03:48.53 | Kupal[]_ | amazing. |
03:48.53 | jordo23 | I reinstalled samba, and the old config file I made is still there. |
03:49.00 | nvz | Jose: unless by they you mean people bent over with money out |
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03:49.15 | Jose | seriously .. my database instructor attended a MS conferance down in FL past summer and they said longhorn was s'posed to be out by end of 2004 |
03:49.24 | Kupal[]_ | yep |
03:49.32 | Kupal[]_ | lonhorn FAILED to install at M$ |
03:49.33 | nvz | microsoft puts a new box on wintendo everytime they see people lined up assuming the position |
03:49.46 | TCW | dondelelcaro, sure, lartc can be very handy... but complex if one would just want to do what Snadder actually wants to do |
03:50.15 | dondelelcaro | TCW: it's actually fairly simple |
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03:50.19 | Jose | now .. can anyone please help me with a simple NetBeans related question ?? |
03:50.29 | nvz | bent over and tell bill give it to you again, and pay him his dues, and loghorn will release :) |
03:50.32 | Smurg | well Ms actually making losers of themselves by putting a price on things |
03:50.45 | dondelelcaro | since the cookbook in 4.2.{1,2} is almost exactly what is being done. |
03:50.53 | Kupal[]_ | makes you wonder how you can download longhorn on the net, but its not realized yet. |
03:50.59 | TCW | dondelelcaro, is it? never played around with it :) but... is his actual problem solved with lartc? |
03:51.13 | dondelelcaro | TCW: yes, it's solved with 4.2.1 |
03:51.17 | Jose | great .. no one knows anything bout NetBeans |
03:51.17 | Kupal[]_ | and what do longhorn enthusiasts truly care about: "WOW THE THEMES" |
03:51.37 | m0rbid | longhorn enthusiasts?? Do they really exist???!!! |
03:51.38 | Jose | did somebody say Texas Tech ?? |
03:51.42 | m0rbid | uughh |
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03:51.59 | Smurg | lol check this out : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;247804 |
03:52.04 | Eagle101 | help. In kde, any sound file that i play, the sound skips...i am using Alsa, and artsd is disabled...please help |
03:52.11 | Kupal[]_ | #windows in dalnet three 4 years ago maybe 2, i got kicked out of that channel. they couldn't troubleshoot shit. |
03:52.18 | Smurg | Ms's answer to the linux competition |
03:52.31 | Thaiger | Can anyone help me configure grub? |
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03:52.37 | smj | kfogel_, decklin, nvz, dondelelcaro: Cool, until I can get something more powerful set up I've got a script written to generate WEP keys. Thanks for the answers to the questions! |
03:52.39 | dondelelcaro | yeesh... who cares about windows? This is #debian... MS can go play its games elsewhere |
03:52.43 | m0rbid | MS's answer to the linux competition is SCO. |
03:52.43 | nvz | Smurg: no thats http://www.mslinux.org |
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03:52.47 | Jose | that's the 3rd revision i believe .. they've had it since ... oh god .. red hat 5?? lol |
03:53.05 | TCW | dondelelcaro, so with lartc good old fashioned routing is obsolete? |
03:53.07 | m0rbid | bbiab, kid need to go to bed... |
03:53.36 | Smurg | Hail Linux |
03:53.36 | dondelelcaro | TCW: it's just advanced routing... if you're doing anything more complex than having a default gateway, it becomes very useful |
03:53.48 | Thaiger | My linux partition is hdb2, root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz, but grub keeps telling me invalid partition type |
03:53.57 | dondelelcaro | (not that you shouldn't just use ip anyway) |
03:54.14 | Kupal[]_ | I wander what M$ will do when "David" becomes viable.. now thier is a scary as all hell thought. |
03:54.53 | Jose | can anyone help me with a Simple shell script ?? lol .. plz |
03:55.01 | Kupal[]_ | jose goto #bash |
03:55.03 | nvz | Jose: ask? |
03:55.07 | Jose | kewl |
03:55.12 | Kupal[]_ | they will make you turn it into something complecated. |
03:55.21 | Kupal[]_ | jose never ask to ask either. |
03:55.22 | TCW | dondelelcaro, it is what it claims to be... "advanced routing" funny :p |
03:55.39 | Jose | k .. NetBeans 3.6 executable script is located at /usr/local/NetBeans3.6/bin/runide.sh |
03:55.52 | Kupal[]_ | just berate ppl, i.e. why can't X = z on this bash script, what are you stupid help me.. that usually works.. |
03:56.09 | Jose | now how do i put that into a shell script so i can like .. double click on my desktop .. something liek that /? |
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03:56.16 | Kupal[]_ | or ask someone with the name gnome why your kde won't work if you need help with gnome, thier is a whole way of asking. |
03:56.23 | Snadder | TCW, I dont want to patch my kernel for this. |
03:56.27 | sheVe | lol |
03:56.36 | TCW | Snadder, complain to dondelelcaro :) |
03:56.47 | Jose | huh ... |
03:56.52 | nvz | Jose: umm, it is a shell script? you just put an icon to it on your desktop |
03:57.00 | Thaiger | Is (hd0,1) right for hdb2 in GRUB? |
03:57.10 | Jose | right .. like .. copy n paste to the desktop ? |
03:57.15 | Jose | is that it ? |
03:57.36 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, if this box was home, I whould patch it. but its not, and I dont want to take a chance on compiling a new kernel and try it out remote |
03:57.37 | Kupal[]_ | Thaiger: go lilo save your brain a cell or two. |
03:57.41 | nvz | heh |
03:58.00 | Jose | GRUB RULES !!! then again .. never played with LILO before .. |
03:58.02 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, sure it dosnt exist any way of just reaching this box? |
03:58.03 | nvz | I dont know how to use grub either, thats why I've been ignoring it |
03:58.12 | Snadder | dondelelcaro, from both interfaces? |
03:58.17 | Jose | GRUB de BEST, dudes |
03:58.27 | Thaiger | Kupal[]_, I had lilo, but I had a hard time adding an entry after I compiled a kernel, but right now I'm booted from a liveCD how would I install lilo? |
03:58.29 | TCW | Snadder, reaching this box ot this specific interface of the box? |
03:58.36 | TCW | s/ot/or/ |
03:58.42 | Jose | at least GRUB is not effected with that stupid MBR 1024 limit |
03:58.45 | starfish | hey scot the bands gonna work on doing the song fuck the police |
03:58.46 | nvz | lilo is freakin easier for people who have used it for 10 years and are used to its configuration |
03:58.54 | Kupal[]_ | Thaiger: mount your root drive, then chroot it, run lilo. |
03:58.58 | nvz | Jose: get a clue :P |
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03:59.14 | Jose | i meant it in a ... stupid way |
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03:59.15 | Thaiger | Kupal[]_, I don't have lilo installed on the root drive though |
03:59.22 | nvz | starfish: oh boy. |
03:59.36 | TCW | Jose, why would anyone need a bootloader which is located beyond the first 1024 cylinders? |
03:59.49 | Snadder | TCW, I want to be able to reach both interfaces, so I can get better speeds/stability |
03:59.51 | Kupal[]_ | Thaiger: then apt-get it after you chroot it. |
03:59.55 | starfish | james can make that song sound hardcore |
04:00.00 | Kupal[]_ | just chroot over to root |
04:00.06 | Kupal[]_ | look at your fstab |
04:00.06 | Jose | i dont know .. beat the crap outta me |
04:00.08 | TCW | Snadder, huh?! |
04:00.23 | Kupal[]_ | mount all the stuff you need. prentend like you never used that damned cd. |
04:00.41 | TCW | Snadder, a few moments ago you said you don't need / want "better performance"! |
04:00.56 | nvz | !yinzersmite Jose |
04:00.58 | Thaiger | Kupal[]_, Thanks |
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04:01.25 | SnuS | is there any sendmail log parser that shows to what addresses all the users have sent mail to ? |
04:01.32 | Snadder | TCW, well.. its like.. when I connect on the first interface.. I want to use only this one |
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04:01.44 | nvz | dpkg CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/for/fer/ |
04:01.45 | dpkg | nvz: OK |
04:01.48 | nvz | :) |
04:01.49 | Snadder | TCW, but when I connect to the other one.. I want to use only that one |
04:01.58 | nvz | dpkg CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/for/fer/g |
04:01.59 | dpkg | that doesn't contain 'for', nvz |
04:02.03 | nvz | cool |
04:02.11 | nvz | wasnt sure |
04:02.11 | Snadder | TCW, if I connect to both at the same time, I will use both connections, means double speed |
04:02.20 | nvz | should have done the g to begin with |
04:02.40 | TCW | Snadder, in your setup (without special advanced routing stuff like lartc) ALL answers to the internet go through the default route... got that? Now think again what you want and what you need therefore |
04:02.42 | Snadder | TCW, aint that kinda straight forward? |
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04:03.22 | TCW | Snadder, how straight forward is that? :) |
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04:03.33 | Snadder | TCW, even answers back trough the already created connection? |
04:03.41 | starfish | scot have you ever heard of pro tools 6 its supposed to be the big thing in pc studios now |
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04:04.21 | Snadder | TCW, oke.. I get it.. I prolly want lartc. but if its easy to just the up theese two interfaces.. I want to do that first |
04:04.34 | Snadder | get up* |
04:04.34 | nvz | starfish: I don't know if you noticed, but I have been carrying around this Debian GNU/Linux soapbox for like 4 years now... so no.. |
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04:05.02 | TCW | Snadder, you have exactly ONE route to ONE gateway which serve the default > the connections to the internet. It does not matter on what interface the connection was started, you have ONE default route... ok? |
04:05.21 | bjenkins | what's the package name for midnight commander? |
04:05.29 | Snadder | TCW, yep |
04:05.31 | TCW | bjenkins, mc |
04:05.32 | orfeu | bjenkins : mc |
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04:05.44 | bjenkins | so it'd be apt-get install mc? |
04:05.49 | orfeu | bjenkins yes |
04:05.50 | TCW | bjenkins, man apt-cache |
04:05.58 | bjenkins | tcw, thanks |
04:06.02 | bjenkins | you too orfeu |
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04:06.16 | Thaiger | Once I apt-get lilo how do I get it to run? |
04:06.16 | Snadder | TCW, but its alot easier with another ip on the same subnet |
04:06.19 | TCW | bjenkins, forget what I said... start reading a debian specific book :) |
04:06.27 | orfeu | :) |
04:06.43 | TCW | Thaiger, man lilo is a really good starting point |
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04:07.18 | TCW | Snadder, sure... because there is no routing |
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04:07.34 | Kupal[]_ | I have found my "DREAM". |
04:08.07 | orfeu | TCW i make some rulez with iptables ! how i can test it !? ( i block all - lo and --dport 80 ) |
04:08.57 | TCW | orfeu, I am sure you don't mind me ignoring that question |
04:09.07 | orfeu | oky |
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04:11.21 | Snadder | TCW & dondelelcaro thanks alot for the help!! |
04:11.42 | TCW | Snadder, thanks for confusing :) |
04:11.54 | nvz | heh |
04:11.58 | Snadder | hehe:P |
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04:12.23 | nvz | welcome |
04:12.30 | nvz | and not so.. |
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04:16.22 | sgeigerbot | Which type of system usese /shm ? |
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04:17.03 | Kupal[]_ | shm is a f.s. so any applies |
04:17.24 | nvz | Kupal[]_: he's a knoppix fanboy, he doesnt know any better :P |
04:17.53 | sgeigerbot | nvz: <sgeigerbot> ~+shmfs is shared memory filesystem The standard mountpoint for the shmfs is /var/shm. |
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04:18.00 | sgeigerbot | ~+shmfs |
04:18.02 | apt | it has been said that shmfs is shared memory filesystem The standard mountpoint for the shmfs is /var/shm. |
04:18.28 | sgeigerbot | nvz: So, if the standard mount point is /var/shm ...it could be confusing for someone if it is at /shm. |
04:18.33 | sgeigerbot | thanks for the info. |
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04:19.24 | sgeigerbot | nvz: It's kind of funny when you accuse someone of being clueless when that person is the factoid producer. Kind of a reflection upon yourself, don't you think? :-) |
04:19.28 | tchino | oh, i can't remove resize my programm windows under kde, what is wrong |
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04:19.39 | project9 | i am try to open a .php file but when i click on file it open another windows and ask to select a user when i click on user it says user in use so i create another user and i try to open a file it ask for select a brower i give pah of firefox but same error /user in use |
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04:20.06 | nvz | sgeigerbot: what are you rambling on about? :) |
04:20.37 | chealer | project9: you don't want to use a text editor to open your PHP file :? |
04:20.42 | sgeigerbot | nvz: your trolling |
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04:21.28 | sgeigerbot | nvz: I got a look at ubuntu. Nice looking. Maybe it is even more free than knoppix. Not sure. |
04:22.06 | chealer | tchino: #debian-kde or #kde |
04:22.31 | project9 | chealer: i am opening a php file as a web page i am not doing editing |
04:22.33 | Azar | which program uses the "feh" command? |
04:22.54 | Azar | image magic? |
04:23.13 | nvz | sgeigerbot: trolling? who me trolling you? what else is new :) |
04:24.22 | chealer | Azar: it's installed on your system? |
04:24.51 | sgeigerbot | nvz: if the shoe fits... |
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04:25.33 | chealer | project9: you're opening a php file as a web page but you need to click on it? are you following hyperlinks or you have file listings? from where do you open, a file manager or a browser? |
04:26.14 | Azar | chealer I am trying to install it |
04:26.27 | chealer | Azar: check packages.d.o |
04:26.28 | Azar | I need it to set up my desktop image from Myst |
04:26.44 | Thaiger | OK, so I'm booted from a livecd because I can't configure grub right to boot up debian, so I mounted then chrooted to my root partition and installed lilo, but I can't activate it since the new /dev isn't there, any advice? |
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04:27.25 | Azar | hmmm |
04:27.31 | Azar | check packages.d.o ? |
04:27.43 | Thaiger | ? |
04:27.52 | chealer | Azar: http://packages.debian.org at the bottom |
04:28.01 | Azar | oh oh thanks |
04:28.18 | project9 | chealer: i am trying to open a file from brower (in browser /where we put site name == /root/wordpress under this listing i am trying to open a file ) |
04:29.09 | chealer | project9: ish, I find your syntax hard but anyway, your browser is konqueror right? |
04:29.16 | usr010 | Eyerie |
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04:29.21 | project9 | firefox |
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04:29.55 | chealer | project9: so you're opening a php file in firefox and it asks you to start another firefox instance? |
04:30.05 | usr010 | swatakis? did i catch that right? any1 else? |
04:30.07 | project9 | yes |
04:30.26 | Azar | chealer thanks, I owe you some cool images from Riven/Myst |
04:30.29 | Azar | :) |
04:30.32 | usr010 | wow THE! Project 9? |
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04:30.52 | chealer | Azar: np. nice trick to learn, isn't it? :) |
04:31.15 | chealer | project9: and you get that for any php file you try to open (at php.net for example)? |
04:31.21 | usr010 | wht trik |
04:31.27 | Azar | yes indeed I had no idea about that page |
04:31.41 | project9 | and if i open it with another instance it say user in use so i create a another user it ask for browser location after giving browser location same thing happen |
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04:32.06 | chealer | usr010: I was referring to the possibility of finding what package provides a certain file from packages.debian.org |
04:32.06 | project9 | yes i am able to open other php file |
04:32.20 | bjenkins | ok, i want to install libqt so i can "make xconfig", but when i proposed to install libqt3, it said i needed libqt3-mt first, and when i went to install that, apt-get wanted to remove about fifty kde apps |
04:32.26 | usr010 | oh like a pkg id? |
04:32.29 | Thaiger | The first time I installed grub a while ago, debian configured it for me, or atleast I got menus, and after that i configured it using the menu.lst file, but I'm having issues with that now, so how do I get the menus and such? |
04:32.34 | chealer | usr010: a pacakge name, even |
04:32.45 | pentium451 | Can anyone tell me where can I read up on getting my cdburner to read/write... I've got deb/testing with 2.6.8 and no relevant entries in /dev! |
04:32.52 | chealer | usr010: try looking for /etc/papersize yourself |
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04:33.33 | usr010 | whats the cmd for irc name autocomplete? xchat? universal? i don kno |
04:33.54 | Thaiger | user010: tab in xchat |
04:34.28 | pentium451 | usr010: tab in ERC |
04:36.34 | chealer | project9: I don't know for others, but I think I can't help you if you don't reexplain your problem coherently and with some detail. sorry |
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04:36.52 | project9 | ok |
04:36.58 | project9 | thanks |
04:37.16 | chealer | project9: however check Firefox preferences, downloads, file types and remove php if it's there |
04:37.30 | project9 | ok |
04:37.32 | chealer | if you shouldn't have done it you can add it easily after |
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04:38.45 | pentium451 | Can anyone tell me where can I read up on getting my cdburner to |
04:38.46 | pentium451 | <PROTECTED> |
04:38.46 | pentium451 | <PROTECTED> |
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04:39.28 | nvz | pentium451: what kind of burner? |
04:39.47 | pentium451 | nvz: um, dvd-ram |
04:40.13 | pentium451 | works under knoppix |
04:40.46 | usr010 | so is debian bsd kern or linux kernel or are they the same? |
04:41.10 | nvz | usr010: debian is not a kernel or a kern |
04:41.20 | nvz | usr010: it runs on both though |
04:41.34 | nvz | pentium451: I mean how is it hooked into the PC |
04:41.51 | Azar | roll them towars me nvz, I don't mind |
04:42.02 | pentium451 | nvz: It's a laptop |
04:42.13 | mwilson | nvz: Wtf is "relevant entries in /dev" supposed to mean? |
04:42.23 | nvz | mwilson: seriously |
04:42.31 | nvz | thats what I am trying to figure out |
04:42.37 | usr010 | i have amor running with the neko cat... heh itz funny |
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04:42.44 | sgeigerbot | !confuse nvz |
04:42.45 | dpkg | Yes, them are their badger yesterday, nvz? wellies of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra herring |
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04:42.55 | pentium451 | mwilson: I have no /dev/cdrom, no /dev/scd0, no /dev/sg0 |
04:43.12 | mwilson | pentium451: Is there some reason you would have any of those? |
04:43.26 | usr010 | alright what did you @#$@#4 with? |
04:43.39 | Azar | sometimes the cdrom is listed as /dev/hdc |
04:43.44 | Azar | why, I never figured out |
04:43.49 | Azar | but it works |
04:43.51 | Azar | :) |
04:44.07 | mwilson | Azar: Gee, didja think that might be because that's where it's connected? |
04:44.12 | pentium451 | mwilson: cuz most of the tools are trying to open something like that |
04:44.13 | mwilson | Azar: Nah. |
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04:44.38 | Azar | mwilson, I can imagine I never figured out how to properly set it |
04:44.50 | mwilson | Azar: How to set what? |
04:44.53 | pentium451 | mwilson: Is there some reason I would not need any of those? |
04:45.03 | Azar | ahhh now I realized what you said |
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04:45.27 | usr010 | wich nvidia driver should i get from there site? unless i decide to compile myself |
04:45.29 | mwilson | nvz: He's all yours. |
04:45.30 | kfogel_ | On Debian GNU/Linux, we're trying to do Chinese input (traditional/taiwanese) in OpenOffice 1.1.2. There is a bewildering array of input methods and such available, but which one is The Right One? How do we join the cool kids and have it Just Work? |
04:46.01 | usr010 | heh |
04:46.03 | kfogel_ | This is Debian testing (Sarge). |
04:46.12 | peterS | pentium451: you said kernel 2.6.8? |
04:46.20 | pentium451 | peterS: ya |
04:46.35 | usr010 | u saying less keys than characterz? |
04:46.55 | usr010 | im w/Sarge 2! |
04:46.58 | drac | pentium451: cat /var/log/messages | grep CD might give you some insight. |
04:47.00 | pentium451 | nvz: I found it... hdc: MATSHITADVD-RAM UJ-811, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive |
04:47.00 | nvz | mwilson: I got my earpeace in and I am pacing back and forth talking on the phone |
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04:47.03 | peterS | pentium451: make sure the 'ide-cd' kernel module is loaded. (it probably is.) then you can figure out where your device is with 'grep cdrom /proc/ide/hd?/driver' |
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04:47.09 | nvz | pentium451: yee-haw :) |
04:47.19 | nvz | pentium451: peterS the wonderdog to the rescue |
04:47.20 | usr010 | hurayy pentium |
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04:48.02 | usr010 | signed off :( |
04:48.04 | peterS | pentium451: ok so it's /dev/hdc. if you'd like, you can do 'ln -s hdc /dev/cdrom' and then it will also be /dev/cdrom. you may also wish to 'chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc' so that users in the group 'cdrom' can access the device |
04:48.21 | usr010 | \ln thats a link isnt it! |
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04:48.48 | usr010 | im we tall did |
04:48.50 | pentium451 | ls: /dev/hdc: No such file or directory |
04:49.02 | chealer | !tell usr010 about nvidia |
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04:49.10 | toymachine | yo anyone else having trouble compiling the nvidia driver with a custom kernel |
04:49.22 | peterS | pentium451: oh, fun. is the 'ide-cd' kernel module loaded? I'm wondering if you've got udev and it's refusing to create the device until you do |
04:49.23 | sussudio | toymachine: #nvidia |
04:49.24 | drac | pentium451: this is just my opinion, but apt-get install udev and reboot. |
04:50.18 | Atomon | This is my first time installing/using linux. I installed sarge and X won't start. The error message is "Fatal server error: no screens found". can someone help me? |
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04:52.33 | Atomon | nobody can help a poor noob out? |
04:52.42 | pentium451 | peterS: lsmod doesn't show it, so I modprobed ide-cd, no change |
04:53.01 | Atomon | i think it might have something to do with my video card, but i'm not sure. my vid card is a GeForce 6800 OC |
04:53.04 | peterS | pentium451: I wonder why you don't have /dev/hdc. are you running with devfs enabled, do you know? does /dev/.devfsd exist? |
04:53.20 | dondelelcaro | !no screens found |
04:53.20 | pentium451 | nope |
04:53.48 | peterS | pentium451: well, it's easy enough to create. 'cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdc; chgrp cdrom hdc; ln -s hdc cdrom' |
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04:53.58 | dondelelcaro | !no screens found is <reply> see screens found |
04:53.58 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
04:54.01 | dondelelcaro | !no screens found |
04:54.04 | peterS | pentium451: but I still wonder why it wasn't already there |
04:54.06 | dondelelcaro | bah. |
04:54.20 | Atomon | huh? |
04:54.28 | peterS | !no no screens found is <reply>see screens found |
04:54.28 | dpkg | okay, peterS |
04:54.35 | peterS | !no screens found |
04:54.43 | chealer | :) |
04:54.49 | peterS | hrrm. it still misparses |
04:54.58 | dondelelcaro | !no screens found |
04:54.58 | dpkg | rumour has it, screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE) |
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04:55.18 | Atomon | ty |
04:55.25 | tchino | what is with the server http://ftp.de.debian.org, i can't reach that |
04:55.27 | pentium451 | peterS: cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdc; ls hdc; - no such file or directory (WTF!?!) |
04:55.35 | toymachine | sweet i finally have my nvidia drivers working |
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04:55.48 | peterS | pentium451: you're *sure* you aren't running with devfs mounted? |
04:55.55 | pentium451 | no, how to tell |
04:56.03 | peterS | pentium451: grep devfs /proc/mounts |
04:56.06 | pentium451 | ls /dev/.de*; - nothing |
04:56.10 | Atomon | okay, the only thing with EE next to it is "(EE) No devices detected" |
04:56.22 | mwilson | peterS: More likely udev, after all. |
04:56.34 | peterS | mwilson: something like that. udev is alchemy I have not yet touched |
04:56.40 | dondelelcaro | Atomon: ok, there you go... so most likely the driver you selected doesn't actually support your card. |
04:56.51 | mwilson | peterS: udev generally causes more profound breakages. |
04:56.59 | peterS | I don't doubt it |
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04:57.13 | dondelelcaro | Atomon: most likely the nv driver is the proper one. |
04:57.15 | tchino | what is with the server http://ftp.de.debian.org, i can't reach that |
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04:57.22 | Atomon | dondeelcaro: how do i get my card recognised? i'm using nv drivers right now |
04:57.29 | pentium451 | peterS: no devfs in /proc/mounts |
04:57.44 | Eagle101 | help. Sound skips in kde...in gnome everything is fine...i use alsa..? |
04:57.48 | peterS | pentium451: mwilson is probably right - you've got udev installed and running and it's gumming up the whole works somehow |
04:57.49 | mwilson | peterS: At least you knew devfs was going to be stupid going in... udev installs and procedes to fsck things up. |
04:58.12 | mwilson | peterS: But it does it silently so all you know is things stop working. |
04:59.14 | Atomon | dondeelcaro: I don't really know what i'm doing, but i read somewhere that for this card i need nVidia drivers rather than nv. is there a difference between the two? if there is, how do i get nVidia from the command-line? |
04:59.22 | dondelelcaro | Atomon: yes, there are... |
04:59.29 | dondelelcaro | !nvidia |
04:59.29 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs', or possibly 'nvidia one-liner'. That should explain all you need to know. http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html . "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
04:59.31 | peterS | pentium451: do you have a /.dev/ directory? |
04:59.37 | pentium451 | peterS: dpkg -l udev; yup.. its 'ii' |
04:59.53 | pentium451 | can I just remove it? |
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05:00.03 | Atomon | !nvidia-howto |
05:00.03 | dpkg | methinks nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html |
05:00.08 | dondelelcaro | Atomon: in other words, /msg dpkg nvidia-howto; /msg dpkg nvidia debs; etc. |
05:00.11 | peterS | pentium451: probably. but check on this first. see if it created a /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 or similar when you put in the ide-cd module |
05:00.35 | mwilson | peterS: That'd be discover fscking up. |
05:00.56 | pentium451 | modprobe ide-cd; still no /dev/cd* |
05:01.02 | peterS | mwilson: indeed, discover should have force-fed him the ide-cd module already |
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05:01.54 | Atomon | dondeelcaro: thank you very much |
05:02.11 | deepfrze | my USB mouse is stealing my joystick device, anyone know what I must do to prevent that??? I am using a digital joystick and use MAKEDEV /dev/input/js to create the joystick devices. However when I execute cat /dev/input/djs0 I only see input when I use my mouse. |
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05:03.27 | deepfrze | I have checked the drivers and they all seem to be installed. Do I need to remove joydev.ko? |
05:04.16 | kfogel_ | On Debian GNU/Linux, we're trying to do Chinese input (traditional/taiwanese) in OpenOffice 1.1.2. There is a bewildering array of input methods and such available, but which one is The Right One? How do we join the cool kids and have it Just Work? |
05:04.21 | kfogel_ | This is Debian testing (Sarge). |
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05:09.10 | HeavenWarrior | good morning |
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05:10.50 | Roman | Is there a way to Jail users to their own /home/userdir in ssh ? |
05:11.02 | valdyn_ | kfogel_: have you seen http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~huyihuyi/debian-chinese.html? Doesn't cover OO specificually though |
05:11.36 | Eagle101 | help. Sound skips in kde...in gnome everything is fine...i use alsa..? |
05:12.00 | nvz | Eagle101: its probably an artsd problem then |
05:12.08 | HeavenWarrior | takatumi, i set up snd-opl3sa2 in /etc/modules.d in modules.conf i've make them be 'on' but on startup it says it is blacklisted |
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05:12.59 | usr010 | would it be wise to execute nvidias diver.run ? o have 2.6 kern Geforce fx 5200 |
05:13.03 | Eagle101 | nvz: i maked sure that i completely turned off artsd... |
05:13.12 | Strife | so I was running apt-get upgrade the other day, and there were problems finishing it... now after running some programs, my entire machine hangs. If I try to run apt-get upgrade again, I get a segfault and the system hangs. Any ideas about what I can do? |
05:13.20 | valdyn_ | usr010: no, /msg dpkg nvidia |
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05:15.13 | cl8ner | how to log all internet address from my user(Winxp)..? |
05:15.35 | sussudio | cl8ner: go away |
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05:15.58 | pentium451 | peterS: udev is gone; MAKEDEV hdc && MAKEDEV sg; worked now (THANKS!) ln -s to cdrom but workbone/cdctrl/whatelse? can't open /dev/cdrom |
05:16.03 | girt | <PROTECTED> |
05:16.08 | smj | Hi folks. I should be able to do an md5sum /dev/cdrom to get the md5sum of the ISO image I just burned, correct? |
05:16.18 | peterS | pentium451: chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc |
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05:16.20 | Atomon | i'm following the directions to install nVidia drivers, and whenever i do 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common' i get the following error: 'Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate' |
05:16.36 | peterS | pentium451: you don't need /dev/sg0 or anything. tell cdrecord to just use /dev/cdrom |
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05:16.53 | Strife | how can I fix apt if it keeps segfaulting when I try to apt-get upgrade everything? |
05:16.57 | valdyn_ | Atomon: its not in sarge probably, get it from sid |
05:17.05 | cl8ner | sussudio: What i do wrong.. it for administrative purpose/report/start etc etc.. i dont bloak the address.. |
05:17.08 | kfogel_ | valdyn_: thanks! |
05:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Strife: wait, the system hangs? |
05:17.22 | Atomon | valdyn_: you have to forgive me, i'm a total noob. this is my first time with linux. what did you mean by that? |
05:17.23 | sussudio | cl8ner: 1) you're not running debian 2) logging your users is antisocial |
05:17.29 | Strife | dondelelcaro: yes |
05:17.30 | dondelelcaro | Strife: or does apt-get segfault? |
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05:17.36 | Strife | dondelelcaro: both |
05:17.43 | valdyn_ | Atomon: which debian release are you using? |
05:17.43 | kfogel_ | valdyn_: yep, have been to that page many times, but thanks anyway |
05:17.43 | Strife | dondelelcaro: first apt-get segfaults, then the system hangs |
05:17.52 | dondelelcaro | Strife: and by hang you mean... you can't ping the box at all? |
05:17.55 | Atomon | valdyn_: sarge |
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05:18.04 | pentium451 | peterS: cdrecord: No such device or address. Cannot open '/dev/cdrom'. Cannot open SCSI driver. |
05:18.17 | Strife | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure if it can be pinged, I don't have another computer to try it from |
05:18.26 | peterS | pentium451: /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/hdc? the ide-cd module is still loaded? |
05:18.31 | Strife | but it definitely does not accept local input |
05:18.32 | dondelelcaro | Strife: does the numlock twiddle when this "hang" happens? |
05:18.37 | pentium451 | peterS: yup |
05:18.43 | peterS | pentium451: also, is the ide-scsi module loaded? it should *not* be |
05:18.48 | valdyn_ | Atomon: get the missing nvidia packages from http://packages.debian.org |
05:19.01 | Strife | dondelelcaro: I don't think so, but I wasn't looking too closely |
05:19.15 | Atomon | valdyn_: how? i don't know how to do this from the command line. i can't start x without these drivers |
05:19.16 | dondelelcaro | Strife: no, I mean, can you press the numlock key and switch it's state? |
05:19.28 | chealer | valdyn_: why don't you propose him AptPinning? |
05:19.31 | Strife | dondelelcaro: I don't think so |
05:19.35 | pentium451 | peterS: lsmod | grep scsi; "scsi_mod" |
05:19.45 | valdyn_ | chealer: cant pin what he doesnt have |
05:19.47 | Strife | dondelelcaro: I wasn't paying attention to it, so I don't remember if it did or not |
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05:19.55 | peterS | pentium451: ok then. what does 'cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver' say? should say ide-cdrom version whatever |
05:20.08 | chealer | valdyn_: well extend sources.list too? |
05:20.10 | valdyn_ | valdyn_: explain him though, i dont know it step by step |
05:20.22 | valdyn_ | chealer: explain him though, i dont know it step by step |
05:20.30 | pentium451 | peterS: ide-default version 0.9.newide |
05:20.37 | cl8ner | sussudio: currently i'm not runnnig debian. 2) I have the right to log the address from my user for a lot of reason.. BTW thank.. debian users like you not friendly anymore.. |
05:20.45 | usr010 | -- |
05:20.45 | peterS | pentium451: ide-default means nothing has claimed the device. you *do* have the 'ide-cd' kernel module loaded? |
05:21.03 | HeavenWarrior | debhelper, can u help me |
05:21.06 | chealer | !tell Atomon about quick sid/sarge mix |
05:21.14 | pentium451 | sg 40288 0 |
05:21.14 | pentium451 | ide_cd 43232 0 |
05:21.14 | pentium451 | cdrom 41148 1 ide_cd |
05:21.15 | dondelelcaro | Strife: well, that would tell you if it actually hung. Anyway, the segfault is annoying, but if the system hung, then you've got more serious problems. That indicates that you've got a kernel bug and/or a hardware problem |
05:21.22 | valdyn_ | Atomon: lynx is one text mode webbrowser, or do what chealer suggests, that works too |
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05:21.36 | peterS | pentium451: well, hmmm. try unloading and reloading 'ide_cd' |
05:21.39 | pentium451 | I think the modprobe pulled all that |
05:21.39 | Strife | dondelelcaro: one interesting note, however... everything *seems* to be working if I use a 2.4 kernel, however the only problem there is that I can't get my wlan interface up, which is unfortunately all I have, so I can't actually upgrade any buggy drivers or whatnot |
05:22.03 | Strife | dondelelcaro: so since things worked before I tried to upgrade, what would be your suggestion? |
05:22.13 | dondelelcaro | Strife: does it work now if you use 2.4? |
05:22.24 | usr010 | rofl drawn 2gether is on |
05:22.27 | Strife | it *seems* to |
05:22.36 | pentium451 | peterS: same /proc/ide/hdc/driver reboot time? |
05:22.45 | deadcat | usr010: ya. adam corola is one sick mother fucker (= |
05:22.53 | chealer | Atomon: you should be able to start X using nv for the moment anyway, as dondelelcaro said |
05:22.54 | Strife | though I would like to stress that I have not changed the kernel in any way since I tried to apt-get upgrade last time |
05:23.11 | dondelelcaro | chealer: yeah, but I'm not sure that nv supports that card... |
05:23.18 | peterS | pentium451: hmm. make sure 'ide_generic' is loaded as well. I know that sounds funny |
05:23.35 | usr010 | hes' so cool |
05:23.37 | kfogel_ | When I start up 'uim-im-switcher', its window comes up, but the area where one would choose an input method name / language / etc is totally empty. It's like the software is installed, but it's missing some data files for Chinese input etc. I thought I installed all the necessary pacakges. Does this symptom sound familiar to anyone? (Debian testing [sarge]) |
05:23.39 | chealer | dondelelcaro: sorry...you know better than me for sure :) |
05:23.51 | pentium451 | peterS: ide_generic is in, but use count is 0 |
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05:24.03 | dondelelcaro | chealer: probably not, actually... since I don't use nvidia cards at all. |
05:24.18 | peterS | pentium451: right. just making sure. I have no idea what to think. you can *try* rebooting. I am not confident that it'll help, but it could |
05:24.34 | pentium451 | peterS: at this point, many changes were made... |
05:24.40 | peterS | pentium451: (particularly if you've had other modules in there that you've since removed, like ide_scsi) |
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05:24.47 | chealer | dondelelcaro: maybe I confuse you with directhex...he's the real nvidia master |
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05:24.55 | drac | Debian is taking over Scandinavia, http://www.yle.fi/saakartat/nyt.jpg ;-) |
05:25.05 | smj | Oooo-kay... Every time I type md5sum /dev/cdrom I get back an md5sum instantly. The DVD writer light doesn't even blink. Now, here's where it gets really interesting. I get the SAME MD5SUM EVERYTIME, no matter what disk I put in. Any ideas? |
05:25.25 | pentium451 | peterS: ok, thanks so far... I'll be back! |
05:25.34 | ardy | does anyone here know how to use apt-build world? |
05:25.35 | tchino | when i want to edit png-files with gimp, it says that gimp_image_set_colormap is ot found |
05:25.37 | Strife | so should I recompile my kernel? I don't think that that is going to help since there haven't been any modifications... what else can I do so that I can actually use apt again? |
05:25.46 | dondelelcaro | smj: is /dev/cdrom actually linked to anything? |
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05:26.07 | smj | dondelelcaro: Yip, /dev/hdc. The same happens when I use /dev/hdc as well. |
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05:26.28 | dondelelcaro | smj: hrm... and is it different from say, cat /dev/hdc |md5sum -; ? |
05:26.29 | smj | dondelelcaro: This DVD writer just arrived. I bought it from newegg because the old one started flaking out. |
05:26.35 | dondelelcaro | or better, md5sum - < /dev/hdc |
05:26.59 | sussudio | cl8ner: this is #debian and you know it. so off you go. |
05:27.16 | jay | could anyone help me fix my mouse? |
05:27.30 | smj | dondelelcaro: The last doesn't appreciate the hyphen, but all return the same result, yes. |
05:27.32 | drac | jay, what kind of mouse? what's the problem? |
05:27.40 | smj | dondelelcaro: I don't think it's even trying to get to the drive. |
05:27.50 | dondelelcaro | smj: hrm... that's really freaky... |
05:27.55 | jay | its a logitech, two button mouse, it no longer wants to work in linux |
05:27.58 | smj | dondelelcaro: What's funny is that I can read discs just fine. Burning them produces some really nice coasters though. |
05:28.15 | peterS | jay: "no longer wants to work" - details please |
05:28.16 | dondelelcaro | smj: do you get the same md5sum when you md5sum /dev/null; ? |
05:28.17 | Atomon | Chealer: i'm trying follow the quick sid/sarge mix instructions but i'm having trouble. i've duplicated the entries in sources.list but how do i change them from sarge to sid? |
05:28.29 | dondelelcaro | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e /dev/null FE |
05:28.35 | peterS | jay: kernel 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6? is the mouse plugged into a PS/2 port or a USB port? was it always plugged into that same port? |
05:28.45 | chealer | Atomon: in your entry there should appear testing or sarge string. change it to unstable or sid |
05:29.13 | smj | dondelelcaro: That's a funny idea. Nope. /dev/null has a different md5sum |
05:29.13 | Atomon | chealer: so in all of the duplicates replace 'testing' with 'sid'? |
05:29.16 | jay | kernal 2.6, PS/2, USB mouse using adapter, I didn't change any settings at all...it just doesn't work anymore |
05:29.19 | chealer | Atomon: yes |
05:29.35 | peterS | jay: ok, with kernel 2.6, load two kernel modules. 'mousedev' and 'psmouse'. |
05:29.36 | Atomon | chealer: ty |
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05:29.38 | dondelelcaro | smj: hrm... and less /dev/hdc; gives you something else? |
05:29.42 | Strife | so does anybody have any idea what the problem is with apt segfaulting and why my system is all of a sudden hanging? |
05:29.51 | Strife | or at the very least what I could do about it? |
05:30.05 | Strife | like is there some way to revert to previous settings or something like that? |
05:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Strife: try reinstalling your kernel... then see if it still happens. |
05:30.17 | chealer | Atomon: it's a pleasure. if you want to know basic stuff about debian releases, get a quick look at d.o/releases |
05:30.23 | Strife | ok I'll give it a shot |
05:30.24 | Strife | thanks |
05:30.24 | cl8ner | sussudio: May you are not a father to a daughter/son that try to prevent from all those violent contect internet.. And your right this is #debian. debian is *OPEN* |
05:31.04 | jay | Awesome, that worked! |
05:31.05 | usr010 | net split ieye ieye im still here |
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05:31.08 | jordo23 | what's the stop command for samba? |
05:31.08 | smj | dondelelcaro: I get the binary gibberish I expect, but the drive light never comes on. It's like the system's not even trying to access the drive. |
05:31.09 | dondelelcaro | Strife: the fact that it suddenly started happening though may indicate that you've got some sort of hardware issues... |
05:31.19 | dondelelcaro | smj: hrm... wierd. |
05:31.29 | Strife | dondelelcaro: how would one diagnose such problems? |
05:31.41 | jay | how would I add those commands to my startup? |
05:31.41 | smj | dondelelcaro: cat /dev/hdc | wc -l produces 0 |
05:31.50 | dondelelcaro | smj: well, that's probably normal... |
05:31.58 | jordo23 | Anyone know the stop command for samba in debian? |
05:32.01 | drac | jay: /etc/modules |
05:32.07 | dondelelcaro | smj: be more interesting to see what wc -c; outputs |
05:32.11 | jay | alright, cool |
05:32.24 | jay | thanks alot for the help :D, now i can work on my cs assignment all night |
05:32.27 | dondelelcaro | jordo23: /etc/init.d/samba stop; |
05:32.34 | smj | dondelelcaro: 2048 |
05:32.41 | smj | dondelelcaro: And the drive just spun up |
05:32.54 | dondelelcaro | smj: meh? 2048 bytes? |
05:33.02 | dondelelcaro | smj: that's freaky |
05:33.28 | dondelelcaro | smj: this is a known good cdrom with something on it, right? not a coaster? |
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05:33.51 | smj | dondelelcaro: I do have a disk in there currently. It's a pressed Linksys documentation CD. |
05:33.58 | Strife | all right well pending further advice, I suppose I'll go try to reinstall my kernel.... |
05:33.58 | smj | dondelelcaro: I can read CDs fine. |
05:34.05 | smj | dondelelcaro: Haven't tried any DVDs yet. |
05:34.10 | dondelelcaro | smj: you mean mount them, I assume... |
05:34.18 | smj | dondelelcaro: Yes, that is correct. |
05:34.52 | smj | dondelelcaro: Maybe the ATA controller is f**kered. |
05:35.03 | dondelelcaro | smj: dunno... is there anything interesting being output in dmesg? does dd if=/dev/hdc of=-|wc -c; do anything different? |
05:36.02 | smj | dondelelcaro: 2048 bytes transferred in 0.041984 seconds (48781 bytes/sec) |
05:36.26 | dondelelcaro | smj: hrm... that's really wierd. |
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05:36.49 | smj | dondelelcaro: Think it might be kernel related? I'm kinda grasping at straws here. |
05:36.57 | dondelelcaro | smj: and mount|grep cdrom;; returns? |
05:37.13 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you've got the cd mounted, of course) |
05:37.26 | smj | dondelelcaro: I bought this DVD Writer because the old one stopped working properly one day. Now I'm wondering if it works fine, but not with this machine. |
05:37.43 | smj | dondelelcaro: CD's not mounted |
05:38.24 | dondelelcaro | smj: yeah, I really don't know... I'd check out dmesg... cause it looks like you're only able to read 1-2 blocks for some reason |
05:38.28 | smj | dondelelcaro: Great, now it doesn't work at all. |
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05:39.13 | smj | dondelelcaro: I've got "bread failed" errors in dmesg after "attempt to access beyond end of device". |
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05:39.27 | dondelelcaro | smj: ah, ok.... it doesn't like the cdrom or cdrom drive or something |
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05:39.42 | dondelelcaro | smj: at least you're getting error messages though... so it's not totally screwed |
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05:40.09 | smj | dondelelcaro: I know this prolly isn't going to go over well, but I'm gonna reboot and make sure all of the kernel modules reload properly. I was dicking with them earlier to see if there were any conflicts. |
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05:40.13 | smj | dondelelcaro: brb |
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05:41.12 | sussudio | !permasunday |
05:41.12 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday! |
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05:44.02 | Azar | sndconfig is not used anymore , right? what should I get for my sound? |
05:44.36 | drac | !tell azar about alsa |
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05:44.49 | Azar | thanks drac :) |
05:44.55 | smj | dondelelcaro: Ok, I'm back. I love dtach. I love having a server to run dtach irssi on. :-) |
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05:45.21 | usr010 | wow theres so mutch to phreakin read an remember |
05:45.49 | smj | dondelelcaro: I got several scsi errors and kernel error dumps upon booting. After I removed the pressed CD from the drive and rebooted, it booted fine. This is really bizarre. |
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05:48.27 | penta | hwo can i find out if i have my server hyperthread enabled? |
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05:48.52 | m0rbid | Can someone please tell me what this is? Feb 3 21:56:04 spaz kernel: Aieee - PCI error! status 0x008008, PCI status 0x8290 |
05:49.30 | smj | dondelelcaro: I'm installing kernel-2.4.27-2-686 and rebooting to see if maybe things work better under a different kernel. If so, I'm gonna install 2.6.10 from sid and see if that works. If that all works well, then I'll file a bug report against 2.6.8. |
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05:51.01 | dondelelcaro | smj: hrm... interesting... yeah, I've never had that problem with 2.6.8... but then, I rarely boot with cds in the drive |
05:52.05 | m0rbid | dondelelcaro: Ive had that problem before, even with other OS's, its a BIOS Fault. |
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05:53.41 | drp | (<-- new to debian and unix in general) Ok I'm trying to install a package that I downloaded using apt-get. I added this line to my sources.list deb file:/home/cwerner/debian-packages unstable main but I get the error: Couldn't stat source package list file |
05:53.43 | smj | dondelelcaro: Thanks for the moral support. I'm gonna attack this for a bit. I'll letcha know if I find out anything. If I do determine it to be the kernel, then I'll be a good little Debianite and use BTS. |
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05:54.40 | m0rbid | Now on to my question. I upgraded to Testing, my normal routine, and for some strabge reason, I got a PCI Error, which now wont let me load my soundcard. Heres the Kicker, ALSACONF sees the card, but errors out towards the end, not only that, doesnt show up in alsamixer(gui), and on top of that, ayttm can produce sounds! But just that program! Any ideas?? |
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05:55.37 | m0rbid | /var/log/syslog shows: Aieee - PCI error! status 0x008008, PCI status 0x8290 |
05:55.39 | Phated | drp: When you download a .deb, you install it with dpkg -i. |
05:55.53 | drp | Phated, thanks |
05:56.13 | Phated | Oh, and go read the APT howto. |
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05:59.40 | smj | dondelelcaro: Ok, this is interesting, under kernel 2.4.27 I get "cat: /dev/hdc: Input/output error" when I try to do "md5sum /dev/hdc" |
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06:01.04 | Nurbs | smj: tried booting to another kernel and doing the same again? soudns like a broken disk |
06:01.11 | Nurbs | or controller or cable |
06:02.04 | dondelelcaro | Nurbs: yeah, this is kernel #2 or so |
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06:02.39 | dondelelcaro | m0rbid: possibly broken hardware, or something else funky is going on... try asking on #kernel-newbies on irc.oftc.net |
06:03.01 | ardy | does anyone know how to use apt-build world? I keep on getting the error Sorry, can't fint 'x', is it already installed?" |
06:03.03 | dondelelcaro | m0rbid: rr... #kernelnewbies |
06:03.15 | drp | does anyone use azureus here |
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06:03.19 | drp | bt client |
06:03.30 | dondelelcaro | drp: probably better off using bittornado |
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06:03.40 | drp | yeah I have that now |
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06:04.27 | smj | Nurbs: Replaced the cable. This is the second DVD Writer I've tried. The disc is a pressed Linksys documentation disk. |
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06:04.53 | smj | dondelelcaro: 2.6.10 seems to work fine |
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06:05.25 | smj | dondelelcaro: I'm gonna try burning something to see if that works. |
06:05.28 | MichaelSaunders | I want to run a jabber server for my office anyone got any ideas what I should use |
06:05.45 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: AFAIK, there's only one jabber server. |
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06:05.57 | PEACEYALL | hey all |
06:06.18 | MichaelSaunders | dondelelcaro: Not what this page implies http://www.jabber.org/admin/jsc/ |
06:06.21 | smj | MichaelSaunders: I don't know about the server, but Psi is a bitchin' client. |
06:06.45 | PEACEYALL | is there any package that lets me switch between my tv output and my lcd screen? |
06:07.03 | MichaelSaunders | dondelelcaro: is an apt package |
06:07.06 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: ah... it's changed recently then... well, there's only 3 of them in debian... the first three on that list. |
06:07.21 | MichaelSaunders | dondelelcaro: Which one would you run? |
06:07.35 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: probably jabberd2-pgsql |
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06:07.54 | dondelelcaro | last time I ran it was in early development of jabberd (the first one) |
06:08.24 | smj | MichaelSaunders: We used to run Jabber at work, before the Navy got purchased by Microsoft. |
06:08.35 | Shadur | ... |
06:08.46 | chealer | dondelelcaro: I don't think it changed recently |
06:08.53 | PEACEYALL | is there any package in debian that lets me switch between tv output and my lcd screen? |
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06:09.16 | MichaelSaunders | debian:~# apt-cache search jabberd2-pgsql |
06:09.16 | MichaelSaunders | debian:~# |
06:09.17 | [sLiM] | is there any know repositories with kde 3.4.1? |
06:09.20 | dondelelcaro | chealer: this was like 6 years ago or so |
06:09.26 | chealer | dondelelcaro: hehe ok :) |
06:09.27 | MichaelSaunders | am I doing something wrong |
06:09.30 | dondelelcaro | !info jabberd2-pgsql |
06:09.42 | chealer | you're more geek than me |
06:09.46 | MichaelSaunders | info jabberd2-pgsql |
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06:10.11 | MichaelSaunders | dondelelcaro: How does that command work |
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06:10.57 | chealer | MichaelSaunders: you forgot the "!" |
06:11.09 | MichaelSaunders | !info jabberd2-pgsql |
06:11.13 | chealer | jabber2 doesn't seem to be in debian. there's jabber |
06:11.15 | smj | debian: Welp, I've successfully created another coaster. It doesn't matter what kernel I run. Sheesh this is annoying. |
06:11.28 | chealer | MichaelSaunders: no result because it doesn't exist |
06:11.32 | chealer | !info test |
06:11.32 | smj | dondelelcaro: Welp, I've successfully created another coaster. It doesn't matter what kernel I run. Sheesh this is annoying. |
06:12.01 | PEACEYALL | can any one help me???? |
06:12.05 | dondelelcaro | !Info jabberd2-pgsql experimental |
06:12.10 | dpkg | jabberd2-pgsql: has nothing about Info |
06:12.16 | dondelelcaro | !info jabberd2-pgsql experimental |
06:12.19 | dpkg | jabberd2-pgsql: (Jabber Open Source Instant Messenger Server (PostgreSQL)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0s6-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 551 kB, Installed size: 1536 kB |
06:12.27 | smj | Does cdrecord work under cygwin? |
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06:12.37 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
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06:12.56 | Photar | Are there any guides/HOWTOs for setting up a linux email server in a windows 2k AD domain and have it get usernames and passwords from the domain controller? |
06:12.57 | chealer | !geekcrown dondelelcaro |
06:13.00 | smj | Welp, thanks anyways guys, I'm off to bed. |
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06:13.28 | Shadur | firefox is killing off the X server every time it tries to display a javascripy page |
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06:14.22 | MichaelSaunders | dondelelcaro: How can I install that |
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06:15.09 | rellik | what's a simple program I can use that will let me do regex substitution? I have a string, and I wanna replace all the spaces with "+"s |
06:15.14 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: you need to have an experimental line in your sources.list |
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06:15.24 | dondelelcaro | rellik: sed or perl |
06:15.36 | dondelelcaro | rellik: FE, perl -pi -e 's/\s/+/g' foofile; |
06:15.38 | MichaelSaunders | deb ftp://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
06:15.48 | MichaelSaunders | so do I change sarge to experimental |
06:15.58 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: oh... no. Just use the v1.4 jabberd then |
06:16.08 | peterS | !experimental |
06:16.08 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. |
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06:16.45 | sanxiyn | http://bugs.debian.org/273760 |
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06:16.48 | drp | !topic |
06:16.56 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 273760 |
06:16.57 | guestish | how do i set it to accept wallchan messages? |
06:16.59 | guestish | or whatever its called |
06:16.59 | dpkg | DONE:#273760:N[tech-ctte] [Fwd: Debian is useless] |
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06:17.07 | dondelelcaro | guestish: /umode +w |
06:17.16 | sanxiyn | "Debian is useless", assigned to technical commitee. |
06:17.20 | guestish | thanks |
06:17.22 | Photar | Are there any guides/HOWTOs for setting up a linux email server in a windows 2k AD domain and have it get usernames and passwords from the domain controller? |
06:17.27 | chealer | that's even more convincing than !unstable :) |
06:17.41 | guestish | dondelelcaro: wallchan is how they send notices right? |
06:17.49 | dondelelcaro | guestish: or wallops I think |
06:17.53 | dondelelcaro | Photar: have the windows 2k AD domain serve the usernames/password thingies using ldap |
06:18.02 | guestish | dondelelcaro: is that the +w? |
06:18.07 | dondelelcaro | guestish: yeah |
06:18.20 | guestish | dondelelcaro: you know what else xchat ignores by default? |
06:18.27 | dondelelcaro | guestish: no clue |
06:18.32 | guestish | dondelelcaro: k |
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06:18.40 | drp | are there debian developers that idle here |
06:18.46 | Photar | dondelelcaro: I need a little more hand holding than that. |
06:18.48 | guestish | supposedly |
06:19.06 | dondelelcaro | drp: what's your question? |
06:19.15 | drp | that was my question lol |
06:19.32 | dondelelcaro | yes, there usually are DDs idling here. Right now there is a DD not idling. |
06:20.07 | drp | :o so you are |
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06:20.57 | sanxiyn | drp: Yes, there are some DDs here now, and usually so. |
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06:21.02 | nvz | does the debian-installer use devfs? |
06:21.04 | peterS | drp: that's all you wanted to know? whether any debian developers were around? |
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06:21.08 | peterS | nvz: yes |
06:21.17 | nvz | I am trying to tell someone how to chroot rescue I dont know what the device name is |
06:21.20 | nvz | heh |
06:21.26 | nvz | I guess its not /dev/hdb1 |
06:21.30 | drp | peterS, yes |
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06:22.31 | nvz | anyone know what /dev/hdb1 is in devfs? |
06:22.33 | trogger | hey people. it's a bit OT, but I was thinking about running debian on an xbox: does an xbox have a fan-cooled psu? is it noisy? |
06:22.35 | moodsoft | hi all, yesterday I was in here and someone gave me some DNS server addresses, could someone please tell me what I ask google to get usable dns addresses? or could someone give me any DNS server addresses in CA that are open to the public? |
06:22.36 | figfig | I am presently using tar to install packages in a distribution that gets burned onto a cd. I would like to change to dpkg, but when I tried there was one problem- I need to be root to install deb even in a DESTDIR. Is this true (if so, it makes me less inclined to move from tar). |
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06:22.55 | sanxiyn | trogger: http://xbox-linux.org/ |
06:22.56 | Flimzy | trogger: You don't have an xbox to look at? |
06:23.06 | jm_ | figfig: tried using fakeroot? |
06:23.07 | trogger | Flimzy: nope, never seen one. |
06:23.12 | Flimzy | trogger: I'm curious why you want to run anything on an xbox if you don't already own an xbox. |
06:23.32 | dondelelcaro | figfig: that's false. |
06:23.36 | trogger | Flimzy: I want a server that is quiet, cheap and adequately fast. |
06:23.45 | figfig | jm_: I did but I don't think that solves the problem- ultimitely I think it uses real root permissions. |
06:23.53 | figfig | jm_: I couldn't get it to work. |
06:23.56 | chealer | trogger: it's noisy, and there's xebian for it |
06:24.04 | sanxiyn | trogger: Do check xbox-linux.org, and especially http://xbox-linux.org/Xebian |
06:24.07 | trogger | chealer: cheers, that's the bit of info I was after |
06:24.07 | dondelelcaro | figfig: dpkg-deb -x; will do it for you even without being root. However, you'll need to be root at some point if you want the permissions to be correct. |
06:24.10 | moodsoft | anyone? |
06:24.12 | trogger | sanxiyn: thank you, will do |
06:24.33 | jm_ | figfig: well think about permissions - you can't easily chown files to root if you're not root |
06:24.35 | dondelelcaro | figfig: the same thing applies to tarballs, since there's no way to create real setuid 0 files on a filesystem without actually being root. |
06:24.46 | figfig | dondelelcaro: let me try that. |
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06:25.11 | dondelelcaro | (fakeroot will make you believe that they're setuid 0 so long as you don't try to test it too hard) |
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06:25.58 | aphisone | I am trying to install java... I'm reading the install text, but I was wondering where I sould install it! |
06:25.59 | Flimzy | trogger: You want to use a game console as _server_?! |
06:26.14 | trogger | Flimzy: not if it's noisy ;) |
06:26.26 | drp | xbox's aren't noisy |
06:26.31 | trogger | Flimzy: but otherwise it's a quite cheap pc |
06:26.40 | Flimzy | trogger: Game consoles are designed for fast video output, etc. Not to be servers. |
06:26.49 | trogger | Flimzy: cheaper than buying it any other way |
06:26.52 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: But Xbox is plain x86 PC. |
06:26.53 | drp | I've seen a 24 node xbox cluster before |
06:26.54 | Flimzy | trogger: I imagine disk, network, and other I/O is relatively slow. |
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06:27.02 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Not designed to be game console. |
06:27.03 | figfig | jm_ and dondelelcaro: I have the same problem with the tar version, and I do run one script at the end to change permissions. I would really not want to install packages as root though, as one mistake could erase system directories. Also, sometimes packages are installed piecewise and people don't want to type in the root password each time. |
06:27.25 | Flimzy | sansaway: It's an x86 designed to be a game console. |
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06:27.28 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: Not by much. |
06:27.46 | Flimzy | What's retail pricetag on an xbox? |
06:27.51 | drp | 150 |
06:27.59 | Flimzy | and what are the specs? |
06:28.00 | dondelelcaro | figfig: that's why dpkg does what it does... it's really careful about not randomly erasing system directories. |
06:28.00 | drp | used around 125 |
06:28.03 | jm_ | it's well over $200 here ;) |
06:28.07 | drp | it's like a 700mhz machine |
06:28.10 | trogger | based around a celeron 733, I believe, 6 gig hdd |
06:28.11 | drp | I think |
06:28.20 | trogger | 10/100 |
06:28.36 | Flimzy | A celeron server? ick |
06:28.38 | dondelelcaro | figfig: if two packages want to overwrite the same file, it's a bug. The actual installation of files itself is pretty safe. |
06:28.39 | nvz | Flimzy: Intel PIII 733mhz ~6-8gb HD, DVD Rom, nVidia 520MX or something |
06:28.41 | chealer | at least 10 G in modern xbox |
06:28.42 | Flimzy | Celeron desktops are bad enough |
06:28.51 | trogger | he |
06:28.53 | trogger | h |
06:29.02 | Flimzy | nvz: I assume the HD at least can be replaced with something larger, no? |
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06:29.11 | drp | Flimzy, yeah |
06:29.14 | nvz | Flimzy: yeah I've seen people put 300GB or more in em |
06:29.18 | Flimzy | how much RAM? |
06:29.19 | nvz | Flimzy: its standard IDE |
06:29.20 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: don't be knocking the celeron server... a wimpy celeron can easily saturate most upstream links... |
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06:29.40 | mousex | hi, there! |
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06:29.54 | chealer | I'd try buying any used PC instead of buying a xbox |
06:29.58 | trogger | mousex: hi! how! are! you! |
06:30.08 | Flimzy | chealer: amen |
06:30.14 | mousex | trogger: g! o! o! d! |
06:30.20 | aphisone | I am trying to install java... I'm reading the install text, but I was wondering where I sould install it! |
06:30.22 | figfig | dondelelcaro: Thanks, it seems to work. Question though, it only extracts files, correct? Will it also run the configure scripts? |
06:30.30 | nvz | Flimzy: 64mb |
06:30.36 | dondelelcaro | figfig: dpkg will, but dpkg-deb doesn't. |
06:30.36 | trogger | mousex: great! pleased! to! hear! it! |
06:30.47 | jm_ | aphisone: it's best if you use java-package (it's only in sid, but it works fine for Sarge) |
06:30.55 | calyth | you guys got a soundcard to recommend that preferably isn't creative and I can use Alsa to choose which output to use easily? |
06:31.02 | dondelelcaro | figfig: the configure scripts need to be run as root, because they often need to modify config files and the ilk |
06:31.02 | mousex | What program can I use to copy an entire Web site into my hard drive? |
06:31.03 | trogger | aphisone: I'd try the blackdown packages - just add the correct sources to /etc/apt/sources.list (google for it) |
06:31.05 | figfig | dondelelcaro: I didn't realize that debian wouldn't overwrite files. Interesting to know, coming from tar. |
06:31.08 | dondelelcaro | mousex: wget |
06:31.19 | nvz | Flimzy: four usb ports and onboard 10/100 ethernet |
06:31.30 | Flimzy | nvz: Can the RAM be upgraded? |
06:31.31 | sussudio | nvz: and a badger in a pear tree |
06:31.34 | dondelelcaro | figfig: that's files in the dpkg database... it has no qualms nuking things that don't exist, though. |
06:31.48 | trogger | dondelelcaro: heh |
06:31.49 | nvz | Flimzy: there arent like freakin dim sockets, no |
06:31.54 | Flimzy | nvz: If the RAM could be upgraded, I might consider an xbox to aide in DVD/CD ripping. |
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06:32.02 | trogger | nvz: ah, just use a soldering iron :) |
06:32.04 | mousex | dondelelcaro: can wget ignore the /robots.txt files? |
06:32.04 | figfig | dondelelcaro: actually that should not be a problem for me (not running the configure scripts). For now I don't have any, and if I do I can always run them the first time the dist is started. |
06:32.07 | Flimzy | nvz: yah... then I don't think I'd want an xbox for anything. |
06:32.14 | trogger | mousex: it won't look at it |
06:32.25 | mousex | trogger: ha, ha! |
06:32.26 | dondelelcaro | mousex: yes... but if you can't read the manpage enough to figure that out, you shouldn't be ignoring them. |
06:32.29 | nvz | Flimzy: http://www.xboxexclusive.com/xboxspecs.html |
06:32.35 | figfig | dondelelcaro: overwriting should not be a problem if I use dpkg for everything though? |
06:32.40 | dondelelcaro | figfig: exactly. |
06:32.40 | sanxiyn | fakeroot is a wonder. |
06:32.44 | nvz | Flimzy: hardware comparison of xbox, ps2, gamecube |
06:32.47 | trogger | mousex: this seems unusually amusing! |
06:33.14 | figfig | dondelelcaro: Thanks! You were a help. |
06:33.17 | drp | nvz, go with the gamecube o_P |
06:33.18 | dondelelcaro | figfig: althoug, you'll likely just find yourself dropping back to just using the Debian base packages, and heavily modifying them as necessary. |
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06:33.26 | Flimzy | nvz: I'll have a look. |
06:33.34 | nar | I am trying to run debian kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp on a Intel whitebox server. It runs but hangs at restarting message on reboot. Any ideas? |
06:33.50 | sanxiyn | (BUGS: None so far. Be warned, though: although I've written quite a few much larger and smaller programs, I've never written anything as tiny as fakeroot, had as many bugs as fakeroot, and still as usable as fakeroot. |
06:33.51 | dondelelcaro | figfig: since Debian has had to deal with almost all of these issues at some point in time, and has solutions that have worked for well over a decade now... |
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06:33.55 | sanxiyn | (from fakeroot manpage) |
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06:34.05 | usr010 | hey uh how do i get my ip info? |
06:34.09 | trogger | sanxiyn: haha |
06:34.17 | Flimzy | useruser: ipconfig |
06:34.21 | Flimzy | er... |
06:34.22 | trogger | ifconfig |
06:34.23 | Flimzy | usr010: ipconfig |
06:34.28 | Flimzy | blah |
06:34.30 | Flimzy | ifconfig |
06:34.31 | trogger | Flimzy: wash your hands out with soap! |
06:34.32 | Flimzy | Grr |
06:34.33 | Azar | ook I got alsa, I got xmms, I got all plugins, but xmms won't play it runs away when I point a file ? what can I do? |
06:34.36 | trogger | disgusting windows user :p |
06:35.04 | Azar | um alsaconfig gives me errors |
06:35.06 | Flimzy | trogger: Windows isn't the problem. It's the 3 gallons of coffee I just drank. |
06:35.15 | trogger | Flimzy: that's a lot of coffee :p |
06:35.15 | figfig | dondelelcaro: Yeah, I love debian. I am getting to the point where I am learning more of the details now (ie- up until now I just apt-get'ed everything, didn't really know much about dpkg). |
06:35.23 | jm_ | Azar: did you select ALSA output plugin in xmms? |
06:35.27 | Flimzy | trogger: I was at IHOP for a long time :P |
06:35.35 | trogger | IHOP ?? |
06:35.41 | sanxiyn | figfig: Well, users are not supposed to know about dpkg, actually. |
06:35.49 | jm_ | sanxiyn: that's bullshit |
06:35.55 | dondelelcaro | figfig: yeah... you're probably ready to read through the NM guide etc. to see how these things are all put together... |
06:35.56 | nvz | drp: according to this link its gfx is the slowest of the 3 by a long shot |
06:35.58 | dondelelcaro | !nm guide |
06:35.58 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
06:36.11 | Flimzy | trogger: International House of Pancakes. |
06:36.13 | drp | nvz, notice the --> o_P |
06:36.17 | sanxiyn | jm_: I'm very sorry to say bullshit. |
06:36.23 | Azar | jm_ no, I will try that now |
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06:36.36 | jm_ | Azar: and also make sure you're in group audio |
06:36.43 | figfig | dondelelcaro: Oops, I just realized something- dpkg-deb -x probably doesn't update /var/lib/dpkg, does it? My plan is to have the dist on CD ready to copy to a machine with the dpkg ready to be run and with dpkg working on what is already there. |
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06:36.50 | nvz | drp: heh, or dvd playback or hdtv movies/games |
06:36.54 | Azar | jm_ yes :) |
06:36.57 | trogger | whoops |
06:37.05 | Flimzy | I think I need a better name than 'vwxyz' for my better-than-abcde CD ripping frontend. |
06:37.05 | sanxiyn | figfig: dpkg -x doesn't update /var/lib/dpkg. |
06:37.18 | drp | nvz, I don't think you can do much more with a ps2 when you mod it |
06:37.26 | sanxiyn | Flimzy: I like vwxyz name :-) |
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06:37.52 | Flimzy | sansaway: heh... But it doesn't mean anything... except "I choose this name to spite abcde" |
06:37.57 | nvz | drp: they used to sell linux kits for the ps2 so you could hook a vga monitor, keyboard and hd to them and run linux on it |
06:38.01 | drp | nvz, I just use mine for a media server ... it's good for that |
06:38.05 | nvz | drp: they stopped selling them in the us |
06:38.07 | dondelelcaro | figfig: just build the cd in a chroot then, and have it copy thigns over... look at how knoppix or ubuntu's cd does this, FE> |
06:38.07 | Flimzy | sansaway: plus it's a pain in the ass to type over and over again |
06:38.15 | drp | nvz, wasn't aware of that |
06:38.20 | usr010 | how do i get my ip info |
06:38.24 | dondelelcaro | figfig: debootstrap will probably also be of some assistance to you as well. |
06:38.30 | trogger | usr010: type ifconfig |
06:38.33 | drp | usr010, ifconfig |
06:38.34 | Flimzy | usr010: Step 1: Pay attention when people answered you the first time. |
06:38.38 | drp | lol |
06:38.38 | mousex | wget is awsome!!! ;) |
06:38.47 | nvz | drp: yeah you could actually hack your own games on the ps2 with their linux kit from what I understand |
06:38.50 | drp | mousex, yeah it's amazing |
06:38.57 | usr010 | ur joking right |
06:39.03 | dondelelcaro | !ur |
06:39.04 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old |
06:39.05 | MichaelSaunders | in jabber where do you load users |
06:39.12 | nvz | drp: it was like a ps2 developers kit I guess |
06:39.14 | dondelelcaro | trogger: heh. you're only using the first part of it... wait until you use it with pbuilder |
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06:39.40 | drp | nvz, do they even have a hd in ps2's |
06:39.47 | sanxiyn | dondelelcaro: Is pbuilder intended for users? |
06:39.58 | sanxiyn | drp: Yes. |
06:40.04 | dondelelcaro | sanxiyn: not really... it's really only useful for people building packages. |
06:40.08 | trogger | dondelelcaro: /me smiles insanely at pbuilder |
06:40.29 | nvz | drp: its got that big expansion bay for one, thats where the linux kit goes, and the video card sticks out there to plug the monitor in and the modem or whatever I guess |
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06:40.57 | drp | nvz, hmm interesting ... learn something every day |
06:40.58 | sanxiyn | pbuilder is a good miniature of Debian buildd for testing purposes. |
06:41.02 | nvz | drp: the new slim ps2 have the network stuff I think but cannot have hds |
06:41.16 | trogger | has anyone else had problems with thunderbird forgetting mail server passwords erratically? It has been driving me nuts |
06:41.40 | clav | <PROTECTED> |
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06:41.44 | Flimzy | trogger: My problem with thunderbird is it's slow IMAP operation. |
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06:42.04 | mosty | flimzy, seems fast enough to me |
06:42.07 | figfig | dondelelcaro: Thanks again. I am looking at my options. |
06:42.07 | Flimzy | trogger: I wish it would lose passwords instead :P |
06:42.07 | trogger | Flimzy: mutt is great therapy when used in conjunction with thunderbird :) |
06:42.13 | Flimzy | mosty: You probably have a faster net connection. |
06:42.14 | trogger | Flimzy: trade? :) |
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06:42.33 | Flimzy | trogger: I loved mutt... until I switchec to IMAP. I never got it to work very well. :/ |
06:42.34 | mosty | flimzy, 512k/128k adsl |
06:42.46 | trogger | Flimzy: oh? I've had it working great with imap |
06:42.52 | Flimzy | mosty: Yup. I'm on ~2.5x Dialup |
06:42.57 | penta | How can you check if the cpu is hyperthreaed i have P4 3.0 ? |
06:43.08 | nvz | drp: well the ps2 is like a SMP arch in a way.. and they plan on just scaling outward releasing a console every 5 years, they seem to be doing the backward compatibilty well too. they want the developers to be lined up and ready to go ahead of time |
06:43.11 | Flimzy | trogger: I switched to IMAP ~2 years ago. I've heard mutt has come a long way since then... but I've never gone back to try to get IMAP working with it. |
06:43.27 | dondelelcaro | penta: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
06:43.28 | trogger | Flimzy: it's worth it... if you want a config file that you can easily modify, I can flick one to you |
06:43.35 | mosty | penta: run an smp kernel. if you see two cpu entries in /proc/cpuinfo, it's hyperthreading |
06:43.37 | dondelelcaro | penta: if you see ht, it likely is. |
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06:43.49 | Flimzy | mosty: Thunderbird seems to do lots of unecessary communication for tasks that don't really need it (compared with other mail clients) |
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06:43.54 | booyaa | hola |
06:43.57 | trogger | can you actually get non-HT 3.0 GHz P4s? |
06:43.59 | Flimzy | You know your IMAP mail client is slow when webmail is faster. |
06:43.59 | trogger | booyaa: hola |
06:44.04 | drp | nvz, I would have probably bought a ps2 if I knew I could have done everything I could with an xbox |
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06:44.18 | penta | dondelelcaro, when i do cat /proc/cpuinfo i dont get any info about hyperthread |
06:44.28 | trogger | penta: do you get two cpus though? |
06:44.35 | penta | trogger, nope |
06:44.41 | booyaa | hey just out of curiosity, anyone here run a wireless card and a wireless network scanner like airfart (or similar) successfully? |
06:44.46 | mosty | flimzy: you can keep your sent mail locally, if you don't want to wait for a copy to be uploaded after the mail itself is uploaded |
06:44.49 | trogger | booyaa: moi |
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06:45.05 | dondelelcaro | nvz: is Megan| randomly /msg'ing people? |
06:45.07 | Flimzy | mosty: No, I like that feature... (except that it doesn't work at all for me in Thunderbird anyway) |
06:45.19 | booyaa | cool! may i ask what wireless card your using? i have one but none of the darn network sensors work with this prism54 card |
06:45.21 | drp | who is this Megan| |
06:45.25 | nvz | dondelelcaro: not that I know of.. but I notice the user joined and I just wondered if they were still +q |
06:45.28 | Flimzy | mosty: I think the most annoying thing it does is move "deleted" mail to a new folder, rather than just marking it "deleted" |
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06:45.33 | booyaa | i'm gonna go out and buy it tommorah |
06:45.33 | drp | I see here spamming every once and awhile in #flood |
06:45.43 | trogger | booyaa: I have an atheros card and using airsnort. however, you have to put it manually in monitor mode |
06:46.04 | trogger | Flimzy: almost certain you can configure this? |
06:46.09 | booyaa | that would be via iwconfig? k. |
06:46.18 | booyaa | trogger, specific model? |
06:46.26 | Azar | my alsaconf complains that cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep what can I do? |
06:46.42 | Flimzy | trogger: hmm, maybe |
06:46.46 | trogger | booyaa: indeed... the only atheros with 802.11 a/b/g |
06:46.51 | Flimzy | trogger: now I'm curious... gonna look. hehe |
06:46.55 | booyaa | lol oh no shit, its just one card |
06:46.55 | trogger | heh |
06:46.56 | booyaa | haha |
06:46.57 | booyaa | cool :) |
06:46.58 | booyaa | danke |
06:47.06 | Azar | bitte :) |
06:47.07 | trogger | booyaa: pas de probleme |
06:47.33 | booyaa | does it require firmware or does debian support it out of the box? |
06:47.44 | trogger | not firmware, but kernel patch |
06:47.53 | trogger | booyaa: ^^ see madwifi |
06:48.04 | booyaa | *eep* k. good enuf, thats all fer now |
06:48.07 | booyaa | *click* salute |
06:48.09 | booyaa | :) |
06:48.28 | Flimzy | trogger: oh boy... it is configurable. super! |
06:48.37 | trogger | Flimzy: sweet :) |
06:48.40 | Flimzy | trogger: maybe I can start hating thunderbird a bit less now :P |
06:48.43 | trogger | Flimzy: still, mutt's good |
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06:49.09 | trogger | Flimzy: oh and if you find a solution to the forgetting email password thing, let me know before I smash my computer with a hammer (and it's a beautiful computer, too :() |
06:49.21 | Flimzy | I need a way to artificially scratch a CD for test ripping purposes. Hmmm |
06:49.28 | Flimzy | trogger: heh |
06:49.32 | Flimzy | trogger: I've never had that problem. |
06:49.37 | Azar | how can I help alsaconf ? |
06:49.44 | trogger | Flimzy: orbital sander? |
06:49.48 | Flimzy | trogger: Maybe you should try mutt :P |
06:49.56 | trogger | Flimzy: I use mutt |
06:50.09 | trogger | Flimzy: when I get sick of thunderbird |
06:50.32 | usr010 | ifconfig doesnt work |
06:50.48 | trogger | usr010: as root? |
06:50.57 | Flimzy | I wonder if my Debian maintainorship is still active... if it is, I can upload vwxyz (or whatever I rename it to) myself in a week or so. |
06:51.00 | Flimzy | Hmmm |
06:51.09 | usr010 | nvrmnd |
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06:51.18 | Flimzy | if not, I'll hafta call my friend who's maintainorship I know is active, and have him sponsor it for me |
06:51.20 | usr010 | duh! just had to say it |
06:51.22 | SiliconViper | Updated my bonus-pack script, added libdvdcss, dvd+rw-tools, and transcode. |
06:51.31 | rellik | can anyone see what's wrong with this statement? 'sed -e "s/\\/%5c/g' ? it fails with "sed: -e expression #1, char 9: unterminated `s' command" |
06:51.33 | SiliconViper | http://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/readme.php |
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06:52.21 | trogger | rellik: change your terminating ' to an " ? |
06:52.30 | dondelelcaro | rellik: the first \\ will get eaten by the shell. |
06:52.45 | Flimzy | hrm, I wish thunderbird had a 'purge' button like OE does |
06:52.45 | rellik | dondelelcaro, oooooooooh :) I can't tell you how long I've been staring at this :) |
06:52.49 | dondelelcaro | rellik: you need sed -e 's/\\/%5c/g' or sed -e "s/\\\\/%5c/g" |
06:52.57 | trogger | Flimzy right click and "expunge" |
06:52.57 | trogger | ? |
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06:53.08 | rellik | dondelelcaro, thanks, once again :) |
06:53.15 | starfish | i recently built my cousin a pc with a linux drive(slave) and windows drive(master) how can get it to ask him at boot up which hd to use instead of just booting to the windows hd? |
06:53.31 | trogger | starfish: install and configure grub appropriately |
06:53.36 | MichaelSaunders | anyone know where I can download jabber2 |
06:53.45 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: it's in experimental... |
06:53.47 | Flimzy | trogger: right-click on the folder name and "Compact this folder" worked |
06:53.56 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: but you're on your own for that. |
06:53.57 | nvz | dondelelcaro: any comments on that? |
06:54.00 | trogger | Flimzy: that'll do - knew it was something like that |
06:54.02 | Flimzy | trogger: a little less friendly than a "Purge" button along the top, tho |
06:54.07 | trogger | Flimzy: you can also get it to do it on exit |
06:54.21 | Azar | dondelecaro, why would alsa not working on my debian? |
06:54.23 | dondelelcaro | nvz: oh, yeah... still +q... |
06:54.33 | MichaelSaunders | dondelelcaro: I want to install from source |
06:54.35 | Flimzy | trogger: Yeah, but I don't want to have to wait that long to delete the 300 spams I get each day :P Esp. when I often leave my MUA open for days or weeks at a time. |
06:54.40 | MichaelSaunders | any ideas where I can get it from |
06:54.45 | nvz | dondelelcaro: the user was quieted for letting personal issues get in the way of support and geting people riled up |
06:54.46 | takatumi | god! swf sucks, load shoots up over 2.0 |
06:54.59 | dondelelcaro | nvz: oh, yeah... I put in the +q... |
06:54.59 | booyaa | takatumi, yeah it does |
06:55.17 | takatumi | and I accidently left my laptop running at 2.0 all night. |
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06:55.35 | takatumi | feels warm. |
06:55.50 | drp | anyone have any good suggestions for mp3 players |
06:55.55 | trogger | drp iPod |
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06:56.00 | drp | negative |
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06:56.01 | trogger | :p |
06:56.05 | takatumi | drp: try mp3blaster |
06:56.15 | drp | negative trogger |
06:56.16 | Flimzy | drp: as in for Linux, or hardware/portable? |
06:56.20 | drp | linux |
06:56.22 | drp | sorry |
06:56.31 | trogger | drp: you can put linux on an iPod :) |
06:56.36 | Flimzy | drp: console or X? |
06:56.36 | drp | haha |
06:56.50 | rellik | trogger, yes |
06:56.50 | drp | X |
06:56.54 | Flimzy | The obvious solution for X is XMMS |
06:57.04 | Flimzy | For console, there are several... mpg123 is probably the most popular. |
06:57.07 | drp | and console |
06:57.13 | drp | does anyone use rat poison here |
06:57.45 | Flimzy | when I need to kill rats, I do |
06:57.46 | takatumi | drp: I use ion, quite similar. (don't anyone use us again) |
06:58.00 | drp | Flimzy, lol |
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06:58.31 | Flimzy | Blah, all my CDs are ripping without errors. How can I test my "Keep the best copy" feature of my ripper if all the copies are flawless the first time? |
06:58.40 | booyaa | fark, i knew i should of bought a netgear pcmcia with atheros chipse |
06:58.41 | MichaelSaunders | dondelelcaro: Any idea where I can get the source from |
06:58.45 | booyaa | like a dink i bought a 3com |
06:58.54 | takatumi | Flimzy: try burning one upside down. |
06:58.59 | Flimzy | tak_: ha |
06:59.10 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: you can actually get it right from experimental... |
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06:59.29 | trogger | Flimzy: bit bash the images |
06:59.33 | Flimzy | takatumi: ha... I wonder... do they make dual-sided CD-R media? That would be handy for archiving data.... |
06:59.44 | booyaa | trogger, thankya for the info, thats great |
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06:59.56 | sanxiyn | MichaelSaunders: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/source/jabberd2 |
06:59.56 | trogger | booyaa: np |
07:00.02 | takatumi | Flimzy: don't remember seeing one, there are probably. |
07:00.04 | sanxiyn | MichaelSaunders: Any question? :-) |
07:00.11 | Flimzy | Altho now I have a dual-layer DVD burner... Now I need dual-layer/dual-sided DVD media. Then I could store 16 gigs on a single disk |
07:00.17 | dondelelcaro | MichaelSaunders: wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jabberd2/jabberd2_2.0s6{-1.{diff.gz,dsc},.orig.tar.gz} |
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07:01.22 | takatumi | he'll probably click that. |
07:01.51 | bosewicht | i recently installed debian as a server and when i try to hit a public_html site i get a "htaccess directoryindex not allowed in here" error in error.log any ideas? |
07:02.05 | ixion | I can't see the entire topic... what's the channel for Debian on PPC? |
07:02.16 | Flimzy | bosewicht: You have directory listings disabled |
07:02.21 | Flimzy | bosewicht: just like it says |
07:02.39 | bosewicht | but there is a index.html file in there |
07:02.42 | sanxiyn | ixion: #debianppc |
07:02.59 | Flimzy | bosewicht: Then perhaps you don't have index.html set up as the default filename |
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07:03.11 | Flimzy | bosewicht: Perhaps it's only set up for index.htm, or some other variation |
07:03.18 | bosewicht | it's the same index.html that is in /var/www |
07:03.22 | ixion | Thanks much, sanxiyn. |
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07:03.56 | Flimzy | bosewicht: That's probably true. But htaccess apparantly has a different configuration for your public_html dir than it does for /var/www |
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07:04.18 | starfish | im slightly a newbie of about 1 year and know nothing about grub and setting up how to give him a choice on which hd to choose from |
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07:04.22 | Flimzy | bosewicht: What happens if you specify /index.html in the URL? |
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07:04.49 | Flimzy | starfish: Not to discourage you from using grub... but is there a reason you're using grub instead of lilo? |
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07:05.31 | starfish | im not sure what im using i just know what i want to do and not how to do it |
07:05.55 | bosewicht | same error then also a file does not exist /var/www/favicon, this is all in the error.log |
07:06.15 | Flimzy | starfish: Well LILO is usually the default loader. Although grub has many more features, it's probably harder to use, and probably overkill for most people. |
07:06.17 | bosewicht | i prefer lilo |
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07:06.24 | Flimzy | starfish: that's the only reason I ask... lilo may be easier for you to use. |
07:06.24 | takatumi | starfish: apt-get install grub; update-grub |
07:06.48 | trogger | Flimzy: I disagree. grub doesn't require re-running each time, it's config files are simpler, you can do everything from command line on boot easily... |
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07:07.07 | sanxiyn | trogger: And most people don't need them. |
07:07.07 | Flimzy | trogger: s/easily/if you know exactly what you want to do/ |
07:07.08 | takatumi | Flimzy: it is far easier that any bootloader I've seen. |
07:07.17 | takatumi | s/that/than |
07:07.41 | sanxiyn | trogger: Most people are happy if their Windows keep booting. Just that. |
07:08.15 | Flimzy | trogger: It's admitedly far more powerful than lilo. But for a newbie, lilo is probably simpler b/c a) it does have fewer features (and thus less complexity) b) it's more widely used, and thus more supported by the average joe community, c) it's the default |
07:08.16 | trogger | notwithstanding the above, I stand by my thoughts that grub is far superior, including in ease of use |
07:08.29 | starfish | well this pc of my cuz has 2 hds master(windows) slave(linux) and i want a choice on which to load |
07:08.40 | trogger | but I will happily let others advise starfish. |
07:08.47 | Flimzy | starfish: You can do that with LILO... which is probably already installed. |
07:08.54 | idnar | Flimzy: I find lilo a bad choice for newbies, because it's so easy to shoot yourself in the foot |
07:08.58 | Flimzy | trogger: ease of use != ease of learning. :) |
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07:09.12 | starfish | how |
07:09.15 | trogger | idnar, agreed |
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07:09.25 | idnar | Flimzy: install a new kernel, reboot, and *oops* you can't boot anymore because you forgot to invoke the shielding rite of Ashk-Ent |
07:09.30 | trogger | idnar: but then, lilo's a bad choice all round ;) |
07:09.34 | idnar | Flimzy: aka /sbin/lilo ;) |
07:09.44 | booyaa | ideal, haha |
07:10.09 | takatumi | Flimzy: trust me, it's easy. this is mostly auto-generated. http://gpoppy.org/new.menu.lst |
07:10.19 | Flimzy | idnar: If you install your kernel the "Debian way"(tm), lilo is already taken care of for you anyway :P |
07:10.28 | bosewicht | i just can't figure this out, it has been driving me crazy all day |
07:10.39 | idnar | Flimzy: and I find lilo's config file no less confusing than grub's |
07:10.42 | takatumi | Flimzy: so does grub, it can even add an initrd line if you tell it to. |
07:10.42 | Snadder | does it matter that "link partner" does have flow control.. as reported with mii-tools? |
07:10.47 | Flimzy | I've only really used grub a couple times... when helping someone rescue a system. and *I* found it slightly confusing |
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07:10.57 | jm_ | Flimzy: I think grub is now default in Sarge |
07:11.11 | sanxiyn | Yes grub is default in D-I. |
07:11.24 | Flimzy | altho if I invested the proper time (probably < 15 minutes) I'm sure I'd find grub easy enough to use for myself, and I'd probably never use lilo again. But I'd still probably recommend lilo to newbies |
07:11.25 | takatumi | jm_: you get to choose only in expert26 (iirc) |
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07:11.36 | fatal_ | jm_: it is. |
07:11.43 | Flimzy | jm_: Then it probably won't be long before I switch to grub myself :) |
07:11.55 | starfish | how do i do this in lilo? |
07:12.14 | jm_ | I never looked back to LILO ever since I first managed to install GRUB, and that was way back in 0.4 times, when it wasn't even in Debian |
07:12.15 | takatumi | Flimzy: you sholdn't mess with the defaults when it comes to newbers. (normally( |
07:12.18 | directhex | starfish, are you installing woody on a desktop machine? |
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07:12.42 | Flimzy | takatumi: Agreed. Which is why I support lilo for newbies. |
07:12.49 | sanxiyn | Well, let's help starfish. |
07:12.54 | starfish | no this hard drive is already set up |
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07:12.59 | Flimzy | Woot! My "rip n times, keep the best copy" feature is working |
07:13.12 | Flimzy | starfish: Is it set up with grub already? |
07:13.15 | jm_ | fimz;what do you use for ripping? |
07:13.19 | takatumi | Flimzy: which client? |
07:13.19 | jm_ | Flimzy: what do you use for ripping? |
07:13.26 | starfish | im not sure |
07:13.41 | takatumi | starfish: dpkg -l grub |
07:13.48 | Flimzy | jm_: My hacked version of cdrdao + my own perl front end... 'vwxyz' is the working (but hopefully soon to change) name |
07:13.54 | starfish | hold on ill check |
07:14.00 | jm_ | Flimzy: hmm cdparanoia handles that internally |
07:14.08 | Flimzy | jm_: Not as well. |
07:14.20 | Flimzy | jm_: cdrdao uses the paranoia library from cdparanoia. |
07:14.22 | takatumi | Flimzy: if you get it all together, package it. |
07:14.34 | Flimzy | takatumi: I certianly will. |
07:14.37 | jm_ | Flimzy: so you get better results than with cdparanoia's paranoid option(s)? |
07:14.55 | Azar | hmm gentooers got an alsa guide for installation |
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07:15.50 | dondelelcaro | Azar: have you followed the directions in /msg dpkg audio yet? |
07:16.09 | directhex | !alsa 2.6 |
07:16.09 | dpkg | i heard alsa 2.6 is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit. |
07:16.23 | starfish | /bin/sh: dpkg: not found |
07:16.26 | Flimzy | jm_: The main problems with cdparanoia are: 1) No support for ripping data or mixed-mode CDs, 2) It doesn't mantain pregap information, 3) There aren't any good frontends with the option to rip the entire disc at once (necessary to ensure proper boundaries between tracks for a perfect audio copy) |
07:16.47 | Flimzy | jm_: By using cdrdao + my hack + my frontend, I can overcome all of those (and a few other more minor) shortcomings of cdparanoia |
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07:17.11 | Azar | dondelecaro, yes, but alsaconf is unable to open /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep |
07:17.17 | Flimzy | jm_: For a purely audio CD, cdparanoia -B and my script should produce audibly identical results. |
07:17.24 | jm_ | Flimzy: ahh I see your point |
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07:17.40 | dondelelcaro | Azar: uh... 2.6.10 isn't in Debian. |
07:17.50 | directhex | Azar, more problems from your custom kernel? |
07:17.56 | dondelelcaro | Azar: if you built a custom kernel, then you should have known enough to build in the appropriate modules for your kernel. |
07:17.57 | Flimzy | jm_: Although, for a CD with errors, my script does have the option to rip multiple times, and keep the best copy. That would have to be done manually (and with lots of guesswork) using only cdparanoia |
07:18.01 | directhex | dondelelcaro, it's packaged in sid, but this isn't a packaged sid kernel |
07:18.03 | takatumi | Azar: in sid yes. |
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07:18.19 | dondelelcaro | directhex: ah, right... skipped over those |
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07:19.39 | Azar | um ok |
07:19.54 | Azar | I will start over tomorrow, with fresh mind |
07:20.02 | Azar | thanks a lot guys :) |
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07:20.22 | starfish | /bin/sh: dpkg: not found |
07:20.25 | takatumi | Azar: it'll work fine if it's a self-compiled one. |
07:20.38 | drp | napolean dynomite is the best movie I've seen in several years I think |
07:20.47 | drp | sorry just rambling |
07:20.58 | takatumi | Azar: so does a kernel-image. (usually) |
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07:21.01 | Flimzy | drp: hehe... it took me a while to appreciate that movie. I was expecting too much from it the first time I saw it. |
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07:21.07 | Azar | hi neeko |
07:21.10 | nvz | dondelelcaro: heh this kid isnt that bad, just really clueless :P I am half tempted to /umode +CE soon though |
07:21.17 | neeko | Azar: hey. |
07:21.18 | Flimzy | drp: I was about 3/4 through it before I could actually laugh at it. The 2nd time thru, I thuroughly enjoyed it, tho. |
07:21.20 | neeko | Azar: Day off tomorrow? |
07:21.30 | Azar | neeko, no, it was today |
07:21.50 | neeko | Azar: you're up late then. |
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07:21.55 | Azar | neeko you remember we had hardships with alsa long ago... I am having same thing now |
07:22.04 | drp | Flimzy, it's really funny for me because I knew a guy like that in high school |
07:22.14 | drp | Flimzy, - the sweet dance moves |
07:22.19 | neeko | Azar: Want me to take a peek? |
07:22.21 | Flimzy | drp: hehe |
07:22.22 | Azar | neeko, hehe installcoholics don't sleep at night |
07:22.28 | Azar | neeko, yes, thank you |
07:22.40 | Azar | alsaconf please |
07:22.50 | Flimzy | drp: My only complaint is that they cut the fishing scene... That shoulda been left in the movie. It explains the "I caught you a delicoius bass" line. |
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07:23.03 | drp | Flimzy, that's no joke either ... several other people I used to go to high school have verified my story |
07:23.14 | takatumi | streuner: where's your piespy pie? |
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07:23.17 | Shadur | .. wait. It wasn't mozilla screwing up. It was the UTF-8 locale I had. |
07:23.21 | calamari | hi |
07:23.32 | Flimzy | drp: I still like OfficeSpace better, tho. hehe |
07:23.35 | drp | Flimzy, the fish line was sort of explained before when he said that he could only give her some fish |
07:23.38 | calamari | I'm wondering which package provides libqt.so.2 or how to find this out for myself |
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07:23.56 | jm_ | calamari: read the FAQ |
07:23.59 | streuner | takatumi: i didn't upgrade it permanently... |
07:24.02 | valdyn_ | calamari: /msg dpkg search |
07:24.07 | directhex | calamari, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libqt.so.2 |
07:24.21 | takatumi | streuner: is it very resource intensive? |
07:24.23 | drp | Flimzy, that one line kip said just killed me "napolean don't be jealous that I've been chatting with hot babes ... all day" |
07:24.30 | starfish | was that command to see if i have grub on this pc? |
07:24.49 | jak | Anybody work with CLE266 Drivers, ive been working on gettin ghtem installed for a while and having all kinds of dir issues |
07:25.00 | Flimzy | drp: Yup... Kip was perfect |
07:25.14 | jm_ | no, it checks if GRUB package is installed, it dosn't necessarily mean it's also used as your boot loader |
07:25.25 | Flimzy | drp: And Re: the fish line... that previous line was still ambiguous without that deleted scene |
07:25.34 | streuner | takatumi: no, but its not *THAT* informative for us... |
07:25.46 | drp | Flimzy, I caught it without the fishing scene |
07:25.56 | calamari | valdyn_, directhex: thanks |
07:26.28 | Flimzy | drp: It's just so much funnier when you realize it's a 2"-long fish, IMO |
07:26.28 | drp | Flimzy, but that's just because I have sweet ninja skills |
07:26.39 | drp | Flimzy, did you see it when "napolean" went on leno |
07:26.45 | starfish | usually with most of my question i ask my cuz nvz but hes kinda stumped by it to i guess |
07:27.17 | takatumi | starfish: what exactly is your question? |
07:27.18 | trogger | cya all l8r |
07:27.21 | johnfreez | "You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!" |
07:28.04 | starfish | how to boot this linux drive without it booting this windows one |
07:28.29 | drp | johnfreez, indeed ... or if you're pretty good with a bowstaff |
07:28.33 | takatumi | starfish: how have you installed it? |
07:28.59 | jak | working with CLE266 driver issues, not finding dir;s correctly, tried everything i could think of, anybody offer any suggestions |
07:28.59 | Flimzy | drp: No. I never watch leno. |
07:29.04 | starfish | i have linux on 1 drive and windows on the other |
07:29.18 | Flimzy | drp: Altho that woulda been fun to see. I wonder if I can find it on P2P somewhere... |
07:29.18 | takatumi | starfish: cat /etc/debian_version |
07:29.20 | drp | Flimzy, well neither do I but I thought it would be funny to see him on there |
07:29.32 | drp | Flimzy, stop reading my mind |
07:29.52 | johnfreez | drp, "I already made like infinity of those at scout camp." |
07:30.04 | starfish | hes using sid |
07:30.10 | drp | johnfreez, hehe |
07:30.14 | Vin | when I remove mysql using apt. and I reinstall it. Should it not reinstall fresh config files? How do I properly flush the old configs? |
07:30.43 | drp | Flimzy, that movie got some good votes on imdb ... might make the top 250 |
07:31.47 | jm_ | Vin: no; read the FAQ |
07:32.23 | takatumi | starfish: so what does dpkg -l grub return? |
07:32.25 | Vin | how do I flush it or clean it. |
07:32.27 | calamari | Vin: I have /etc/mysql.. maybe that is related? |
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07:32.32 | jm_ | read the FAQ |
07:32.34 | starfish | /bin/sh: dpkg: not found |
07:33.19 | Flimzy | I need to find a DVD Audio somewhere and see if I can get my frontend to rip those as well. |
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07:34.31 | takatumi | starfish: as root as well? |
07:34.46 | starfish | lol hold on |
07:36.06 | starfish | i cant boot the hard drive |
07:36.31 | takatumi | starfish: that is only one of your problems? |
07:36.57 | mosty | how can i get audio data from line-in? |
07:36.59 | takatumi | starfish: you are being very vague. |
07:37.15 | nvz | takatumi: I installed Sid on this pc long ago for him. he moved sid to the slave drive, and put windows on the master. |
07:37.26 | starfish | thats probably the biggest hold nvz's gonna be less vague |
07:37.52 | nvz | takatumi: he needs help getting a bootloader on the winders drive to boot either winders or sid, he's got a sarge netinstall cd |
07:38.02 | nvz | debian-installer rc2 |
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07:40.44 | takatumi | starfish: boot with the installer, alt-F2, mount / and proc, chroot /, grub-install /dev/hdx; update-grub, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst if necessary, reboot. |
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07:41.22 | rituraj | anybody from india? |
07:41.30 | Joris | anyone got a idea on where I could ask about about a linux routing feature? |
07:41.33 | rituraj | where can i get debian T-shirts in india? |
07:41.45 | Vin | next to the fruit stand |
07:41.49 | nvz | takatumi: I tried to walk him through that, but I dont know how to tell him the device names cause the debian-installer uses devfs and I dont know what hdb1 is in devfs |
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07:42.09 | takatumi | nvz: you mean in menu.lst? |
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07:42.23 | nvz | rituraj: if you run right now, you might be able to make the linux.conf.au |
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07:42.33 | nvz | takatumi: to even mount and chroot |
07:42.50 | nvz | takatumi: I dont know how to specify hdb1 in devfs weirdness |
07:42.55 | rituraj | :) |
07:43.00 | takatumi | nvz: ah, I don't either. |
07:43.04 | nvz | takatumi: he's got the debian-installer booted there and in the console |
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07:43.11 | valdyn_ | starfish: just "fdisk -l", it will list partitions, and device names too |
07:43.12 | usr010 | heh signoff keeps sighning off |
07:43.15 | sep | nvz: that's what tab compleation is all about :) |
07:43.22 | nvz | sep: seriously.. |
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07:43.50 | usr010 | howd u figure out the hours running withhout reboot? |
07:44.01 | sep | uptime ? |
07:44.08 | usr010 | yea h that same thing |
07:44.14 | takatumi | usr010: top |
07:44.20 | Flimzy | Does anyone have any idea why audio ripping speeds will vary so much? I've ripped the same CD in the same drive 5+ times, and the speed will vary anywhere from 2x to 8x on different rips. |
07:44.39 | usr010 | TSR's? |
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07:45.12 | Flimzy | TSRs? did I fall into #DOS by accident? :P |
07:45.17 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: dust in the drive? i've noticed that too anyway, but not much you can do since its handled by firmware |
07:45.27 | takatumi | usr010: top - 10:45:13 up 3 days, 18:36, 7 users, load average: 0.01, 0.11, 0.18 |
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07:45.39 | Flimzy | valdyn_: I've ripped it 5 times in the last 30 minutes... I don't think it's been sitting still long enough for much dust to settle. |
07:45.55 | chimaera | hi, i have purhcased a maxtor one-touchII external hdd (iee1394) which keeps looking up when transfering large amounts of data. |
07:46.01 | Flimzy | valdyn_: I'll rip once at 8x, then immediately (without removing the disk from the drive) rip again, and only get 4x, or 2x... or whatever |
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07:46.22 | Flimzy | chimaera: A wild guess is that it's your firewire port, and not the drive itself. |
07:46.55 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: some drives dont speed up again once theyre slow ( due to some error on the cd ), firmware issue |
07:46.59 | usr010 | wow uptime just told me there wgere 3 users? i though i was thre only 1 |
07:47.20 | Flimzy | valdyn_: so if I eject and re-insert, it may speed up again? |
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07:47.31 | takatumi | usr010: w |
07:47.31 | chimaera | Flimzy: well, how to check it? it's a via chipset. |
07:47.43 | Flimzy | usr010: That just means that there are 3 instances of users logged in. You may be logged in more than once as the same user, and it will count as multiple users. |
07:47.55 | usr010 | oh yeah that makes sense |
07:48.15 | Flimzy | chimaera: I don't know. I've never used firewire. I'd do some googling for your firewire chipset and see if anyone else has the same issues. If so, a BIOS upgrade might help. *shrug* |
07:48.15 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: no idea, drives do whatever firmware wants to do.. maybe you have to hard reset the drive.. but worth a try , sure |
07:49.43 | Flimzy | I gotta learn perltk or something to make a GUI frontend to my ripping tool |
07:49.57 | Flimzy | it's too cool to leave on the console :P |
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07:51.48 | rellik | if I pipe something into a command, is there anyway to also use the keyboard as STDIN for that command? |
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07:52.14 | valdyn_ | rellik: what do you want to do? |
07:52.37 | Flimzy | rellik: probably not... but there may be another way to accomplish what you need. What precisely are you trying to do? |
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07:52.59 | rellik | valdyn_, I am using the output from netcat to feed a perl script... but then I want to prompt the user for stuff too, from the perl script |
07:53.08 | valdyn_ | i can hardly imagine someone syncing his keystrokes with "cat blah" |
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07:53.46 | usr010 | wow what cool features i just want to start up a website a pop mail server ftp u name it hl2 |
07:53.58 | Flimzy | rellik: Have the script run netcat in backicks.... while(`netcat foo bar baz`) { } |
07:54.00 | streuner_ | takatumi: http://weda.mine.nu/debian-current.png |
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07:54.58 | Flimzy | rellik: Or open FOO,"netcat foo bar baz |"; while(<FOO>) { } |
07:55.00 | usr010 | yay streuner i was in the pic :) |
07:55.00 | rellik | Flimzy, will your code perform like 'while (STDIN)' {}' (give me one line at a time to parse ? |
07:55.21 | Flimzy | rellik: Then you can read netcat's output and process STDIN at the same time |
07:55.21 | Flimzy | rellik: yeah. |
07:55.25 | valdyn_ | rellik: no idea about perl. but you dont need to get keyboard events via stdin. You want to get the netcat output via stdin and keyboard events specifically from the keyboard, i guess |
07:55.28 | Flimzy | rellik: That's how I read cdrdao's output in the perl script I'm writing right now. |
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07:55.53 | Flimzy | valdyn_: keyboard input comes from stdin, tho |
07:56.03 | takatumi | streuner_: emty. :) |
07:56.03 | usr010 | people actually use netcat..? when i used it on dos it was kinda? old feeling to it? even thumbed through the sourse |
07:56.17 | Flimzy | valdyn_: I guess he could read from /dev/ttyXX... but that's really messy and nasty and gross and horrible and... and... |
07:56.21 | mosty | what are the best mixer settings for recording from line-in? i have sound coming through, but the recorded wav is awfully muffled compared to the sound that plays through my speakers live |
07:56.27 | usr010 | none to good without this seal |
07:56.33 | rellik | usr010, my life would be a lot less happy without netcat :) |
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07:56.41 | streuner_ | takatumi: the bot is 10 minutes active |
07:56.44 | Flimzy | rellik: #perl is always a nice help to me, too |
07:56.50 | usr010 | so it realy workes realy well? |
07:56.56 | takatumi | streuner_: I believe in the long run, it'll begin to give meaningful social relationship info. |
07:57.08 | rellik | usr010, yeah, it's old, like you said.. has had a lot of time to be debugged :) |
07:57.18 | usr010 | the dos version didnt seem to have the right "stuff" |
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07:57.31 | takatumi | streuner_: have you seen "pay it forward"? |
07:57.49 | valdyn_ | Flimzy: no it doesnt, keyboard is just the default stdin. Generally stdin is whatever is currently stdin, that _may_ be the keyboard, but since he pipes netcat output it doesnt.. |
07:57.51 | Flimzy | usr010: Yeah... "DOS" means "doesn't have the right stuff" in French |
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07:58.03 | streuner_ | takatumi: piespy doesn't record all the data, it shows you an actual situation in a certain time... |
07:58.13 | hilikus | what file do i change my default window manager in? |
07:58.14 | takatumi | streuner_: that sucks. |
07:58.14 | usr010 | heh BS... |
07:58.27 | Flimzy | valdyn_: Yeah, the keyboard could be redirected to another input filehandle |
07:58.33 | Flimzy | or whatever the proper terminology is called |
07:58.44 | streuner_ | takatumi: *Everybody* thought that it records _all_ data :-) |
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07:58.48 | Flimzy | valdyn_: But I'm not sure how to do that once the shell has redirected stdin for you already |
07:58.50 | jm_ | hilikus: depends on how you start X |
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07:59.03 | valdyn_ | rellik: i wouldnt get netcats output from stdin, just open it specifically, then you can use keyboard from stdin |
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07:59.23 | usr010 | i havent even tried messing with nvidia drivers yet im afriead ill corrupt my sys |
07:59.49 | streuner_ | takatumi: its useful for somebody, who don't know an channel at all and want a short info what's going on in this channel. |
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07:59.58 | rellik | valdyn_, Flimzy, thanks, you've given me lots of ideas to work with.. now back to the console for me :) |
08:00.11 | usr010 | not moving till some seroius though goes into it |
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08:00.29 | hilikus | when i start my comptuer it brings me to a gui log on screen. does that help? |
08:00.40 | usr010 | yeah |
08:00.45 | vortegeh | hello |
08:00.55 | usr010 | type root and rootpassword |
08:01.05 | usr010 | or usr and usr pass |
08:01.22 | hilikus | it says the system administator is not allowed to login from this screen |
08:01.35 | vortegeh | does anyone know of a good domain name registrar that offers a free webmail with the domain name? |
08:01.36 | valdyn_ | hilikus: thats good. |
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08:01.57 | clojster | how can I use shutdown command if I'm not root |
08:01.58 | clojster | ? |
08:02.07 | hilikus | su |
08:02.12 | takatumi | streuner_: probably. |
08:02.29 | clojster | well... it's too long. su - pass, then command |
08:02.31 | valdyn_ | clojster: ctrl-alt-del |
08:02.40 | hilikus | ya that too :-p |
08:02.46 | clojster | valdyn_: I want to power off |
08:02.59 | clojster | not restart |
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08:03.19 | valdyn_ | clojster: and you want to permit every user to just do that? |
08:03.25 | takatumi | clojster: if you have acpi working well, just pressing the powerbutton might get it to powerdown. (does here) |
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08:03.50 | hilikus | and u need a switching power supply |
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08:03.56 | takatumi | might get it done in an orderly way I meant. |
08:04.23 | valdyn_ | clojster: apt-get install acpid |
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08:05.22 | Flimzy | vortegeh: you can't host your own domain? |
08:05.40 | streuner_ | takatumi: http://weda.mine.nu/debian-current.png |
08:05.51 | Flimzy | vortegeh: Rather than searching for a registrar with free webmail, you're probably more likely to find a webmail host with free domain registration. |
08:06.05 | Flimzy | vortegeh: altho that may incurr a monthly (rather than annual) fee |
08:06.44 | clojster | valdyn_: yep, every user... |
08:06.58 | rellik | chimaera, usr010, Flimzy, valdyn_, clojster, takatumi, streuner_, im_, hilikus, hey guys |
08:07.00 | clojster | valdyn_: or only one specified? it is possible? |
08:07.21 | takatumi | rellik: jm_ not im_ |
08:07.26 | clojster | takatumi: I have acpi... well, I try that. thanks |
08:07.37 | rellik | chimaera, usr010, Flimzy, valdyn_, clojster, takatumi, streuner_, jm_, hilikus, here we go |
08:07.59 | rellik | :) I'm gonna be the most popular on the next debian-current.png |
08:08.04 | takatumi | rellik: but this time you missed the greeting. |
08:08.06 | valdyn_ | clojster: sudo shutdown -h now ( man sudo, its even possible to not require a passwort to sudo a specific command ) |
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08:08.13 | streuner_ | haha |
08:08.36 | takatumi | !pal rellik |
08:08.39 | hilikus | right now in my /etc/X11/default-display-manager it says /usr/bin/gdm could i change that to /usr/bin/blackbox ? |
08:08.41 | clojster | valdyn_: ok, thanks... and one more question. How can I specify an alias for command? |
08:08.48 | takatumi | we need dpkg in there as well. :) |
08:09.21 | valdyn_ | clojster: alias l=ls |
08:09.27 | clojster | valdyn_: I don't want to write long long shutdown -h now |
08:09.43 | Guerin | clojster: man bashrc |
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08:09.57 | streuner_ | rellik: upgrade it |
08:09.58 | valdyn_ | clojster: alias shutdown='sudo shutdown -h now' |
08:09.59 | rellik | clojster, "alias bye='shutdown -h now' " |
08:10.17 | jm_ | I wonder how was that dagram created - conversations among people? |
08:10.21 | rellik | woot, streuner_ |
08:10.45 | clojster | valdyn_: rellik: thanks. And where is that alias stored? (in case I want to remove it) |
08:10.45 | rellik | jm_, the pic seems to watch for when you mention someone's name |
08:10.49 | takatumi | jm_: piespy |
08:10.58 | Flimzy | vortegeh: How many webmail addresses do you need with your domain? |
08:11.00 | valdyn_ | clojster: it isnt stored |
08:11.05 | rellik | clojster, you can put it in ~/.bashrc |
08:11.06 | jm_ | hilikus: no, select Debian session in menus, or Default, then it will honour ~/.xsession |
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08:11.22 | streuner_ | !piespy |
08:11.23 | dpkg | PieSpy is an IRC bot that monitors a set of IRC channels. It uses a simple set of heuristics to infer relationships between pairs of users. These inferrences allow PieSpy to build a mathematical model of a social network for any channel. These social networks can be drawn and used to create animations of evolving social networks. http://jibble.org/piespy/ |
08:11.25 | jm_ | takatumi: ahh of course, there's a link at the bottom ;) |
08:11.27 | vortegeh | Flimzy: I only need one email address |
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08:11.35 | valdyn_ | clojster: you can put it into ~/.bashrc |
08:11.37 | rellik | dpkg I love you |
08:11.37 | dpkg | I love you too, rellik. |
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08:12.22 | Flimzy | vortegeh: I'll give you webmail for $10/yr for your address :) |
08:12.23 | rellik | Flimzy, valdyn_, usr010, dpkg |
08:12.29 | Flimzy | rellik: huh? |
08:12.38 | rituraj | #debian-india |
08:12.45 | Flimzy | vortegeh: with free optional spam filtering |
08:13.01 | Flimzy | vorsprung: as well as POP3 and IMAP access |
08:13.07 | zakame | what's the best way to remove unused extra packages? is debfoster ok? |
08:13.17 | vortegeh | spam filtering is not a priority |
08:13.19 | takatumi | rellik: drawing a flower? |
08:13.22 | Flimzy | vorsprung: and I can handle DNS for you if necessary |
08:13.31 | Flimzy | vorsprung: Well, I already have it all set up. |
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08:13.37 | Flimzy | vorsprung: So you can have those features if you want 'em |
08:13.39 | rellik | takatumi, I crave symmetry |
08:14.02 | Flimzy | vorsprung: Or if your registrar provides free POP3 access, my system can also just fetch mail from there to my webmail server |
08:14.18 | takatumi | rellik: fractal geometry is the key. |
08:14.20 | rellik | Flimzy, why not just use squirrelmail? |
08:14.28 | Flimzy | rellik: I do use squirrelmail. |
08:14.45 | Flimzy | rellik: So I guess I don't have an answer to your question. I can't think of why not. |
08:14.46 | rellik | Flimzy, heh I meant why not just tell him to run squirrelmail |
08:15.00 | Flimzy | rellik: Because he apparantly doesn't have a server on which to run it |
08:15.14 | Flimzy | rellik: If he did, I'm assuming he wouldn't be asking for a place to host webmail :P |
08:15.22 | rellik | Flimzy, ah ok.. I missed that start of the conversation :) |
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08:15.35 | hilikus | my god, debian is much faster than slack |
08:15.42 | Flimzy | rellik: There you go again... jumping in in the middle of a conversation... :P |
08:15.43 | slackd00d | hah |
08:15.46 | rellik | hilikus, sexier too |
08:15.47 | slackd00d | = P |
08:15.48 | zakame | heh |
08:15.52 | Flimzy | hilikus: it can be... if slack is poorly configured. |
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08:16.06 | hilikus | well then, lol that says somethin about me |
08:16.07 | Flimzy | hilikus: Debian can also be slower than Windows... if Debian is poorly configured. :P |
08:16.45 | takatumi | and infering from that Windows will be faster if properly configured? |
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08:16.56 | takatumi | !lose |
08:16.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, lose is see windows. |
08:17.26 | johnnyST | Is there some webmail software inluded in debian sarge? |
08:17.28 | hilikus | is it possible to have windows properly configured? |
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08:17.39 | johnnyST | openwebmail is gone that I used. |
08:18.20 | takatumi | !info openwebmail |
08:18.25 | dpkg | openwebmail: (WebMail based on Neomail), section web, is optional. Version: 2.41-10 (sid), Packaged size: 6459 kB, Installed size: 40764 kB |
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08:19.04 | johnnyST | takatumi, that is sid. |
08:19.16 | maxh | is there a command/script with which i can request the IP address of an interface? |
08:19.21 | takatumi | !info openwebmail sarge |
08:19.28 | mosty | maxh, ifconfig |
08:19.40 | takatumi | johnnyST: yeah, tough luck. |
08:19.54 | maxh | mosty: ifconfig provided too much info. i just need somthing like eth0=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx |
08:20.15 | maxh | i don't wanted to code a script if there exists already one |
08:20.17 | Flimzy | I guess vorsprung didn't like my webmail offer :P |
08:20.32 | Flimzy | maxh: ifconfig eth0 | grep ip ? |
08:20.44 | johnnyST | takatumi, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=291478 |
08:21.10 | johnnyST | takatumi, and I have installed it on servers before not good when it was still in sarge.. |
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08:21.29 | takatumi | grep inet rather |
08:21.49 | Flimzy | takatumi: sure, whatever it says :P |
08:21.58 | maxh | Flimzy: hehe, i already was that far. but i'm too lazy to dig into awk/sed or seomthing to get out the IP ;-) - i just was too lazy and thought i ask before i psend 30 minutes into a scrit |
08:22.09 | takatumi | johnnyST: I am sure there are other clients packaged. I don't use them. |
08:22.51 | andax | i'm looking for a "beautiful" webmail application. anything that "looks better" (huh) than squirrelmail will be fine... any ideas? |
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08:22.58 | Flimzy | maxh: ifconfig eth0 | grep inet | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d' ' -f1 |
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08:23.24 | Flimzy | maxh: echo eth0=`ifconfig eth0 | grep inet | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d' ' -f1` |
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08:23.35 | Flimzy | maxh: that's the lazy/gross way to do it :P |
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08:25.07 | maxh | Flimzy: thx. hehe i forgot about cut |
08:25.28 | jm_ | or /msg dpkg myip |
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08:25.57 | maxh | jm_ thx that is what i was lookng for |
08:25.57 | takatumi | although that won't give you an ip if you are behind a dsl router. |
08:26.39 | takatumi | jm_: sorry, that was for dpkg :) |
08:26.53 | jm_ | takatumi: no worries |
08:27.17 | Guvvy | Hello all |
08:28.24 | Flimzy | ifconfig eth0 | perl -ne 'if(/inet addr:([\d\.]+)/) { print "eth0=$1\n"; }' |
08:28.31 | Guvvy | Have a question about "modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-108" |
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08:28.44 | Flimzy | Guvvy: okay |
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08:30.35 | Guvvy | I tried to 'alias' it to ppp_generic but it wouldn't do it, seems like there's a tag on the first line that tells update-modules not to do anything - any ideas? |
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08:31.24 | Guvvy | lack of a tag, in fact |
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08:33.20 | notty | hello: i have a problem.. when i try to mount a .cue image i get this error: ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy any ideea why ? |
08:34.01 | hilikus | what file do i change my default window manager? |
08:34.24 | hilikus | is it Xsession |
08:35.08 | streuner_ | !wm |
08:35.08 | dpkg | to set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs. |
08:35.08 | Flimzy | Guvvy: I'm sorry, I don't know |
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08:35.47 | hilikus | k |
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08:37.53 | revenger_ | how can I figure out if a machine supports 64 bit? |
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08:38.14 | revenger_ | or better if a box is able to address more than 4gb ram? |
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08:38.30 | revenger_ | 32bit machines are only able to manage 4gb afaik |
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08:39.24 | drac | at least 2.6x kernel has support for over 4gb.. |
08:39.25 | mosty | revenger, what is the cpu? |
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08:39.57 | revenger_ | mosty: the cpu/processor/central processing unit |
08:40.15 | revenger_ | drac: well depends if the machine is able to address it.. |
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08:40.30 | revenger_ | 64bit xeon supports more memory than a 32bit one.. |
08:41.21 | mosty | revenger, i know what cpu's are. i'm asking which cpu you're trying to figure out is 32/64bit |
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08:41.57 | takatumi | revenger_: amd64 might be a good option. |
08:42.07 | revenger_ | mosty: both actually |
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08:43.36 | vchrizz | how much packages are already available to use 64bit? i dont even know one (except for kernel :P) |
08:44.01 | takatumi | vchrizz: ~95% |
08:44.04 | revenger_ | vchrizz: enough |
08:44.12 | takatumi | of unstable branch. |
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08:45.25 | takatumi | !amd64 |
08:45.26 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1) |
08:45.42 | usr010 | just thinking... whats the buzz about ipv6 , iplementation wise. im just a dumb gnub but, doesnt this make a bigger network? how does that help me host a worldwide apacheserver, ftp, ssh, what have mheh |
08:46.02 | takatumi | Guvvy: keep it on main please. |
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08:46.36 | ukh | I need a tool to check the sanity of pdf documents - i.e. illegal constucts, embedded fonts, whatever - anyone? |
08:46.38 | takatumi | Guvvy: ask the whole channel, you'll get better answers. |
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08:47.18 | idnar | usr010: the main reason for ipv6 is that we're running out of ipv4 addresses in a bad way |
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08:47.56 | Guvvy | I have a syslog entry "modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-108" ??? anyone run into this problem?? |
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08:48.29 | Flimzy | Mmmm... speed control works |
08:48.40 | Flimzy | Guvvy: is that module present? |
08:48.59 | Flimzy | Guvvy: and did you try google? |
08:49.13 | Guvvy | no, but ppp_generic is but the kernel seems to ignore this fact |
08:49.14 | mike_ | hi, i just installed gdesklets, i'd like to use the starter bar, and it says that i don't have a sensor, when i installed gdesklets-data, shouldn't it have installed the sensor for that? |
08:49.40 | Flimzy | ppp_generic? Isn't the module called just 'ppp'? |
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08:50.03 | Flimzy | did you alias to 'ppp' or 'ppp_generic'? |
08:50.39 | Guvvy | Oh yes, google came up with 7900 hits - pretty much all say "alias char-major-108 ppp_generic" |
08:50.51 | Flimzy | hehe |
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08:51.04 | Flimzy | I rarely use modules |
08:51.08 | Flimzy | so I really don't know |
08:51.22 | Guvvy | problem is, my system won't let me update the modules.conf file |
08:51.23 | Flimzy | why not just compile ppp support into your kernel? I suspect you use it all the time, so there's no real advantage to it being modular, is there? |
08:52.08 | Flimzy | Hmm... apparantly different drives respond differently to hdparm -E |
08:52.27 | Flimzy | one drive is still ripping at ~4x, even when set to 1x. The other is ripping at ~1.2x |
08:52.38 | hilikus | i cant seem to get blackbox to work, it always insists on using kde or gnome. i did "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" and there are only 2 selections, kde or gnome :( |
08:52.52 | takatumi | Guvvy: this kind of explains your dreamy state. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/07/msg02093.html |
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08:53.17 | Flimzy | hilikus: you can use blackbox with kde or gnome |
08:53.34 | Flimzy | hilikus: KDE and Ghome are _Desktop Environments_. blackbox is a _window manager_ |
08:53.35 | jm_ | hilikus: blackbox is a window manager, so update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and your *DM has to start the session that honours this setting, choose Default, Debian or somesuch in its menus |
08:54.16 | mike_ | does anyone have any idea? im using "testing". |
08:54.54 | hilikus | how do i make it boot to the command prompt insted of a gui login |
08:54.58 | Guvvy | yeah, guess so......:'( |
08:55.36 | takatumi | mike_: gdesklets and gdesklets-data should be all that is required, but then I could be just forgetful. |
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08:56.45 | nvz | damn I am farter than I stink I am |
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08:57.22 | mike_ | takatumi: it says im missing a sensor or something. |
08:57.25 | azreal | !tell hilikus about xdm |
08:57.28 | Guvvy | What do I use to look at and modify the kernel? |
08:57.32 | mike_ | takatumi: and i installed both of those |
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08:57.49 | Flimzy | mike_: I'd try google |
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08:58.24 | Flimzy | Guvvy: apt-get install kernel-package is a good start |
08:58.41 | Guvvy | What do I use to look at and modify the kernel? |
08:58.42 | Flimzy | Guvvy: There should be appropriate documentation then in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package |
08:58.57 | Guvvy | ok |
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08:59.09 | holy_cow | y |
08:59.12 | takatumi | mike_: I haven't fiddled much with gdesklets to be honest. :) |
08:59.14 | kneet | mike_, I had the same prob - it has the sensor but the sensor tries to include xdg - have you got python-xdg installed? |
08:59.22 | holy_cow | bah sorry |
08:59.24 | takatumi | mike_: but it did work. |
08:59.31 | rellik | Flimzy, you still around? |
08:59.33 | takatumi | most of the time. |
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09:00.35 | mike_ | kneet: w00t! thanks mate |
09:00.42 | mike_ | that was the problem |
09:00.55 | Guvvy | ok - I'll give that a try.....probably be back .....many times:-) |
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09:01.20 | Flimzy | rellik: yah |
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09:01.36 | rellik | Flimzy, I'm still trying to get that perl script to work.. two methods were suggested to me, but my scrollback doesn't go back that far :(.. I tried 'while (`echo "..." | netcat <host> <port>`) but that doesn't feed me the output from netcat.. it doens't really do anything, far as I can see.. do you remember the other suggestion? |
09:01.44 | HeavenWarrior | to what is supposed that debian:/home/arutha# modprobe snd-opl3sa2 |
09:01.44 | HeavenWarrior | FATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device |
09:01.44 | HeavenWarrior | FATAL: Error running install command for snd_opl3sa2 |
09:01.53 | Melsen | Is there any command existing that allows me to see the current kernel configuration so I know that when I compile a new kernel that it then uses the same drivers and so on? |
09:02.22 | Flimzy | rellik: This would be better: open FOO,"netcat blah blah blah |"; while(<FOO>) { } |
09:02.44 | Flimzy | rellik: Note the | char before the closing quote in the open |
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09:03.09 | kneet | mike_, BTS #292825 |
09:04.13 | kneet | A different view of what a dependency is than me - but there you go |
09:06.11 | rellik | Flimzy, great, thanks, I'll give that some work :) |
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09:06.48 | azreal | Melsen: use the .config file in the kernel source tree, google for "make oldconfig" |
09:06.53 | tenten | hi.. i forgot my root password what can i do ? |
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09:07.51 | Flimzy | rellik: the backticks are used to read the entire output to a single variable... as in $foo=`some command`; |
09:07.58 | Flimzy | rellik: Probably not what you want for netcat. |
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09:09.00 | rellik | Flimzy, is this right? I'm not getting the output I was expecting: open SEEK, "echo -e \"GET /seek42.php?q=\"$seek42_string\"&E=0&N=-1&X=-1&r=&S=c&res=1&dash=0 HTTP/1.1\nHost: $HOST\n\" | netcat $HOST $PORT |"; while (<SEEK>) {} |
09:10.17 | Flimzy | rellik: looks right... Try it with something simpler first, tho. i.e. don't put any $vars in the command |
09:10.27 | Flimzy | rellik: start simple, then build up |
09:11.09 | dawg | rellik, use IPC::Open2 or IPC::Open3 and remove the echo part |
09:11.15 | Flimzy | It might be simpler to open a socket in perl natively |
09:11.27 | Flimzy | I'm not sure how that's done, but I'm sure it's possible |
09:11.28 | rellik | oh, here's my problem,... I had nested while loops, both while(<STDIN>).... forgot to replace the second |
09:11.54 | rellik | dawg, what's that? |
09:12.03 | Flimzy | what's what? |
09:12.19 | rellik | dawg's references |
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09:12.24 | Flimzy | oh |
09:12.32 | dawg | rellik, considering what you seem to be doing, LWP::Useragent might be what you want, or if you really require lower level control IO::Socket::INET |
09:12.37 | Flimzy | IPC::Open2 and IPC::Open3 allow for bi-directional communication. |
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09:13.06 | Flimzy | Then you could do something like IPC::Open2(SEEK,"netcat $host $port"); print SEEK "GET foo bar blah"; |
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09:13.20 | Flimzy | I've never actually used those... haven't had the need yet |
09:13.25 | dawg | rellik, actually it's LWP::UserAgent |
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09:13.38 | rellik | ah cool, thanks |
09:13.59 | Flimzy | rellik: I suggest dawg's latest suggestion... should be much more efficient than running netcat anyway |
09:14.03 | rellik | actually fixing the nested while's to both be: while(<SEEK>) {} fixed me right up :) |
09:14.29 | Flimzy | opening a socket in perl directly will be much faster, and use less memory. If you care :) |
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09:14.57 | Flimzy | But then... there's always more than one way to do it in perl... |
09:15.02 | rellik | hmmm... as much as I love sockets... :) |
09:15.10 | karamelos | is there some program to check a video file integrity? |
09:16.08 | Flimzy | karamelos: xine? hehe |
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09:16.57 | hilikus | i cant get rid of xdm |
09:17.02 | Flimzy | karamelos: mplayer probably has an option to not display video output |
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09:17.05 | hilikus | i did a apt-get remove xdm and its still there |
09:17.09 | Flimzy | hilikus: dpkg --purge xdm |
09:17.15 | hilikus | tryed that also |
09:17.17 | Flimzy | hilikus: or dpkg --remove xdm |
09:17.23 | Flimzy | then it should be gone |
09:17.27 | Flimzy | unless it gave an error |
09:17.32 | Flimzy | or you installed XDM independant of dpkg |
09:17.35 | resiak | ...or unless it's a different ?dm |
09:18.12 | Flimzy | karamelos: perhaps -dumpstream would be of use (not sure, haven't tried it) |
09:18.19 | hilikus | it says its removed, im restarting to again to see if it shows up |
09:18.34 | Flimzy | hilikus: restarting? isn't that overkill? |
09:18.35 | karamelos | a video I downloaded is played back slowly, and I fear it has some indexing information or other metadata crap corrupted. |
09:18.58 | common | which player? |
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09:19.05 | Flimzy | karamelos: Or it may be that your CPU/video hardware/other hardware can't handle all of it. |
09:19.10 | common | mplayer > * |
09:19.14 | Flimzy | karamelos: first, try another player (xine or mplayer... whichever you haven't tried yet) |
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09:19.26 | Flimzy | karamelos: second, try tweaking playback options |
09:19.50 | karamelos | i tried xine and mplayer. i tried tweaking options too. other videos play back nice, but this one, crawls. |
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09:20.28 | hilikus | i still get a gui login screen |
09:20.38 | hilikus | looks the same |
09:20.45 | Flimzy | karamelos: As a last resort, you could try running it thru transcode (sort of like sox for video) and convert it to another format/codec, and see if the resulting file plays any better |
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09:20.57 | Flimzy | hilikus: You may have kdm or gdm installed, or some other *dm |
09:21.06 | hilikus | ya i think it used kdm |
09:21.07 | Flimzy | hilikus: Before you try removing them, why not find out which one you're using? |
09:21.23 | hilikus | right before it kicked into the gui i saw kdm |
09:21.30 | karamelos | good idea Flimzy |
09:21.51 | Flimzy | karamelos: as a very very last resort, try playing it in Windows :P |
09:22.07 | karamelos | i have, windows is a crap playing videos. |
09:22.29 | hilikus | but just to be sure how would i check? when i log on its gdm |
09:22.36 | Flimzy | karamelos: mplayer/mencoder also has some limited support for changing formats, if transcode doesn't work. |
09:22.54 | Flimzy | hilikus: Once you're logged in, you're not using gdm any more. |
09:23.16 | Flimzy | hilikus: An easy way to tell if you're running kdm or gdm or whatever is to look at ps's output. |
09:23.22 | Flimzy | hilikus: ps auxw | grep kdm, for example |
09:23.30 | hilikus | i can see gdm in top |
09:23.44 | Flimzy | hilikus: that works, too. So GDM is running. |
09:24.05 | hilikus | ya its gdm |
09:24.12 | resiak | hilikus: So... stop it! |
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09:25.01 | hilikus | so how do i replace it with blackbox |
09:25.23 | resiak | hilikus: Uh, you don't. Blackbox is a desktop "environment", GDM is a login manager |
09:25.24 | Flimzy | hilikus: You don't. |
09:25.30 | Flimzy | hilikus: gdm and blackbox are completely different things. |
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09:25.44 | Flimzy | resiak: No, Blackbox is a window manager. |
09:25.52 | resiak | Flimzy: My bad. |
09:26.02 | directhex|work | !rmssmite resiak |
09:26.03 | Flimzy | hilikus: Replacing GDM with Blackbox is like replacing your blender with a pickup truck. |
09:26.17 | resiak | Flimzy: The same way that Fluxbox is just a WM? |
09:26.24 | Flimzy | resiak: yes. |
09:26.31 | Flimzy | resiak: KDE and Gnome are desktop environments. |
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09:26.35 | faxo | hi people |
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09:26.50 | Flimzy | Either one can use any window manager, including Fluxbox or Blackbox or whatever |
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09:27.07 | resiak | Flimzy: I realise that they're DEs. |
09:27.15 | hello_world | i am using blackbox now |
09:27.19 | Flimzy | If you used Linux > 3 years ago, you'd know the difference :P |
09:27.23 | Flimzy | b/c nobody used DEs then |
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09:27.40 | resiak | Flimzy: Yeah, shush. :) |
09:28.16 | faxo | what is the command to configure the sound under debian ? |
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09:28.27 | Flimzy | faxo: There's not a specific command to do that. |
09:28.35 | Flimzy | Corel Linux? |
09:28.42 | faxo | debian |
09:28.45 | Flimzy | Where did that come from? |
09:28.55 | Flimzy | faxo: Yeah, this is #Debian. |
09:28.59 | hilikus | ok but ive got all the gnome menues and things like that, i want to use black box |
09:29.37 | Flimzy | hilikus: Then get rid of gnome, not gdm. |
09:29.40 | resiak | A hugely retarded Debian derivative that was my first experience with this wonderful platform. |
09:29.44 | Flimzy | hile_: You can use Gnome *and* blackbox |
09:29.48 | Flimzy | er |
09:29.48 | hilikus | thank you, that was my confusion |
09:29.54 | Flimzy | hilikus: You can use gnome *and* blackbox |
09:30.03 | faxo | Flimzy, yeah :) |
09:30.04 | Flimzy | hilikus: Just like you can use a blender *and* own a pickup truck. |
09:30.07 | hilikus | i want it like this. http://www.linuxfan.pl/screns/blackbox.gif |
09:30.18 | resiak | Flimzy: You _can_? Damn! I sold my blender! |
09:30.35 | directhex|work | hilikus, in gdm, click 'sessions' to pick which window manager to use. |
09:31.01 | notty | i have a bluetooth usb device from msi, any ideea how can i use it on debian to transferr files from/to my phone ? |
09:31.10 | directhex|work | notty, yes! |
09:31.23 | hilikus | ive got gnome, gnome chooser, debian, kde, xsession, failsafe gnome, and failsafe xterm |
09:31.24 | hello_world | in gdm, what is the meaning of sessions? |
09:31.26 | Flimzy | well I believe I've determined that my DVD/CD-RW combo drive that 95% of the time refuses to burn anything is much faster and less error-prone at audio CD ripping than my brand new 16x dual-layer DVD burner. *sigh* |
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09:32.11 | Flimzy | I wish my 48x CD-ROM drive still worked. I could rip with that, too. |
09:32.17 | directhex|work | hilikus, write the correct command to launch blackboc into ~/.Xsession, then use the xsession option |
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09:33.17 | notty | directhex|work, how do i do that ? any aplication ? |
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09:33.44 | directhex|work | notty, add "deb http://debian.usefulinc.com/gnome ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get install gnome-bluetooth. that will give you the gnome-obex-send app |
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09:34.02 | JohnFlux | Hey all |
09:34.08 | directhex|work | notty, http://usefulinc.com/software/gnome-bluetooth |
09:34.16 | hilikus | there is a bunch of code in my /etc/X11/Xsession |
09:34.22 | JohnFlux | Is it possible to view the contents of a multisession cd |
09:34.23 | hilikus | it starts with set -e |
09:34.34 | JohnFlux | i only see the first session when i mount it |
09:34.37 | hilikus | then goes to message () { |
09:34.37 | JohnFlux | uh i mean dvd |
09:34.41 | Flimzy | hilikus: You weren't listening..... |
09:34.48 | Flimzy | hilikus: Edit ~/.Xsession, not /etc/X11/Xsession |
09:35.21 | Flimzy | hilikus: You probably never want to edit anything in /etc/X11 manually, unless you really know what you're doing. |
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09:36.14 | directhex|work | why don't people listen, especially when given -SPECIFIC- instructions? |
09:37.10 | resiak | This is the conundrum that has puzzled mankind since ... some time long ago. |
09:37.15 | hilikus | i can not locate the file; vi ~/.Xsession just makes me a new file |
09:37.22 | Flimzy | hilikus: good |
09:37.30 | hilikus | ok |
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09:37.43 | Flimzy | hilikus: So then write the correct command there... just like s/he told you to |
09:37.50 | directhex|work | it. |
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09:39.06 | takatumi | it.? |
09:39.07 | notty | another problem, when i try to isntall something with apt-get i get this error: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde / debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/l ib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Fro ntEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7, <> line 47.) |
09:39.41 | takatumi | you probably need to set it to dialog |
09:40.09 | directhex|work | notty, you selected the QT front-end for debconf. you can change it with dpkg-reconfigure debconf, or get the packages you're missing to use the qt front-end |
09:40.50 | notty | any ideea what packages i miss ? |
09:40.53 | directhex|work | libqt-perl |
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09:41.55 | hilikus | so i can just put in /usr/bin/blackbox |
09:42.23 | takatumi | hilikus: you are going to put something there? |
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09:42.58 | directhex|work | is there some kind of 'startblackbox' command, startkde style? |
09:42.58 | hilikus | well i was looking for the correct command |
09:43.19 | takatumi | hilikus: if you mean in ~/.Xsession "exec /usr/bin/blackbox" |
09:43.24 | takatumi | no no |
09:43.29 | takatumi | thats startx |
09:43.40 | hilikus | hmm |
09:43.41 | hilikus | k |
09:43.57 | takatumi | hilikus: how are you starting X? |
09:44.11 | directhex|work | ehm... blackbox provides a /usr/share/xsessions/blackbox.desktop |
09:44.17 | directhex|work | is this a woody desktop? -_- |
09:44.29 | hilikus | it starts up into a gdm gui login. but i would like to to just go to a command prompt |
09:44.53 | directhex|work | you never said you wanted just a command prompt login. apt-get remove gdm. |
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09:45.11 | directhex|work | and use ~/.xinitrc instead of ~/.Xsession |
09:45.33 | directhex|work | you can also change the system-wide default window manager with update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
09:45.43 | hilikus | k |
09:45.45 | directhex|work | it is a shitting woody desktop. ARGH |
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09:46.20 | NicoB | ehlo, I need help with a setup of postfix+ldap anybody ? |
09:46.22 | takatumi | hilikus: you're better off upgrading to sarge, /msg dpkg d-i |
09:46.31 | takatumi | no not d-i |
09:46.35 | directhex|work | !woody desktop |
09:46.35 | dpkg | If you're running a desktop machine, odds are you want to install Sarge instead. However, if you really require the stability that woody offers, you can install woody. If you do, please don't complain to Debian about the age of software in stable, etc. |
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09:46.48 | takatumi | /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
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09:47.05 | Melsen | hey azreal - Can I PM you please regarding kernel config? |
09:47.05 | directhex|work | someone changed my ranty factoid. no fair. |
09:47.12 | hilikus | ok |
09:47.14 | cievo | all: hello |
09:47.19 | hilikus | ill do that when i get my nic working |
09:47.24 | Rebecca | um, im running sarge and i want to upgrade a single package to the latest version (unstable?), how can i do this? |
09:47.29 | cievo | all: did your icq go down just couple minutes ago ? |
09:47.51 | resiak | cievo: My AIM did. I don't think this is really relevant to #debian though. |
09:47.54 | directhex|work | Rebecca, grab the .deb file from an ftp and dpkg -i it, or set up a sid/sarge mix system |
09:47.54 | takatumi | hilikus: then you're probably better off with /msg dpkg d-i |
09:48.06 | directhex|work | your nic doesn't work? great! |
09:48.06 | cievo | resiak: I knobut I just wondered :) sorry |
09:48.10 | directhex|work | !woody hardware support |
09:48.11 | dpkg | somebody said woody hardware support was firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge. |
09:48.11 | hilikus | lol |
09:48.40 | cievo | Rebecca: :) |
09:48.41 | directhex|work | !d-i hilikus |
09:48.42 | dpkg | hilikus, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
09:49.05 | hilikus | ive got a d-link 530tx lying around, im pretty sure it uses the via rhine drivers |
09:49.45 | Melsen | question - I need to recompile a new kernel. I do not have an old .config file since this is a precompiled compact kernel from debian 3.0r4 release. Now, I have all the new kernel source but no existing .config file I can use for comparisation. What do I do to make sure I get a proper and well functioning kernel with the 'same' drivers? |
09:49.52 | cievo | Rebecca: change /etc/apt/source.list to testing and then apt-get update; apt-get install PACKAGE and then change it back to previous and then apt-get update.... |
09:50.20 | resiak | !tell Rebecca about quick sid/sarge mix |
09:50.21 | takatumi | Melsen: check if you have a config in /boot/config-2.x.x.x |
09:50.22 | directhex|work | Melsen, kernel .config files go in /boot/ |
09:50.35 | Melsen | ok.. sec |
09:50.48 | takatumi | directhex|work: using xchat? |
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09:51.12 | directhex|work | takatumi, potentially. why? |
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09:51.19 | jair_11 | helo? |
09:51.28 | resiak | cievo: Rebecca's already on testing. |
09:51.36 | jair_11 | anybody here has play with FreeNX server? |
09:51.37 | takatumi | or you actually changed the default ":" to "," in irssi? |
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09:51.59 | jair_11 | I am trying to run for first time the freeNX server. |
09:52.04 | cievo | all...did you hear about stupid amin from asia...some guy wanted to donate some $ to people where tsunami was. He used LYNX to browse pages and admin of tat server sent police to get that 'hacker' :) |
09:52.10 | Melsen | takatumi : I have two files... config-2.2.20-compact and vmlinuz-2.2.20-compact (this is running through vmware btw... ) |
09:52.15 | resiak | cievo: It was allegedly London, actually. |
09:52.31 | cievo | resiak: I just read it... |
09:52.43 | resiak | cievo: Meh, I read it about a week ago. I think it's a hoax anyway. |
09:52.47 | Melsen | takatumi : I just use the config-2.2.20-compact then? |
09:52.48 | takatumi | Melsen: the config-2.2.20 is your old config, which kernel-source are you trying to compile? |
09:52.52 | directhex|work | cievo, that was London, and an unofficial statement from the metropolitan police says 'we're not COMPLETELY inept. use lynx with impunity.' |
09:52.55 | Melsen | 2.4.19 |
09:53.02 | cievo | :-D |
09:53.11 | directhex|work | Melsen, you can't use 2.foo configs with 2.bar kernels |
09:53.18 | notty | i am trying to mount an image but i get this error: # mount /mnt/d/Games/linux/uplink/Uplink.iso01.iso /mnt/cdrom/ -o loop=/dev/loop0 ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy |
09:53.21 | cievo | all...does anyone have any experience with Citrix under linux ? |
09:53.31 | Melsen | takatumi : Is that a problem then? Since the old config file is 2.2 and the new is 2.4 ? |
09:53.39 | directhex|work | Melsen, yes, as i just said. |
09:53.41 | Melsen | directhex|work: Oh darn.. what do I do then? |
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09:53.51 | directhex|work | Melsen, you could apt-get install a kernel |
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09:53.58 | directhex|work | Melsen, is this a desktop or a server? |
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09:54.14 | Melsen | directhex|work - Server.. running through vmware |
09:54.27 | Melsen | directhex|work: which is why the drivers might be a bit critical =) |
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09:54.48 | resiak | Melsen: The stock kernels work in VMware... |
09:54.53 | directhex|work | Melsen, you could apt-get install a woody 2.4 kernel, then use the config file from that as a basis in compiling up a 2.4.29 |
09:55.14 | directhex|work | resiak, i got solaris 10 installed in vmware :P |
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09:55.26 | Melsen | resiak: stock kernels? |
09:55.47 | resiak | :win directhex|work |
09:56.00 | resiak | Melsen: Ignore me. directhex|work is far more on the case :) |
09:56.07 | Melsen | hehe.. ok |
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09:56.16 | resiak | Bah, :/! dichotomy. |
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09:56.23 | Melsen | directhex|work: the 2.4.19, ain't that a woody kernel??? |
09:56.53 | directhex|work | Melsen, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4 |
09:57.46 | Melsen | directhex|work: Hrmm.. 2.4.19 ain't even mentioned there |
09:57.58 | hello_world | how do u backup your debian? |
09:58.17 | directhex|work | Melsen, 2.4.19 is only for some architectures, in woody, if memory serves |
09:58.43 | Melsen | Oh boy... this is so confusing. |
09:58.49 | resiak | Melsen: Are you on Woody? |
09:58.56 | directhex|work | yes he is resiak |
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09:59.16 | resiak | directhex|work: Oh. I thought the opposite from 09:56 < Melsen> directhex|work: the 2.4.19, ain't that a woody kernel??? |
09:59.17 | Melsen | No idea.. this was a precompiled kernel from the latest Debian iso image... 30r4 |
09:59.23 | jair_11 | anyone here have been installed freNX server? |
09:59.27 | resiak | !slap me |
09:59.39 | jair_11 | I need some help on the configuration. |
09:59.41 | directhex|work | Melsen, for varying values of 'latest' |
09:59.42 | hello_world | what is freNX server do? |
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09:59.59 | Melsen | ok, so I just stick with this kernel-source-2.4.19 2.4.19-4.woody2 |
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10:00.05 | Melsen | ? |
10:00.10 | Flimzy | hello_world: By copying all of your important files to a secure location. |
10:00.24 | Melsen | lol@flimzy |
10:00.28 | Flimzy | hello_world: You might look into the program 'amanda' if you want some automated backup tool. I've never used it, but it's popular. |
10:00.39 | hello_world | thx |
10:00.46 | jm_ | hello_world: it's a free implementation of www.nomachine.com server |
10:00.47 | directhex|work | Melsen, as i said, if you install a woody 2.4 kernel image, then you can use the .config file it creates in /boot/ as a basis for compiling any other 2.4 kernel image as you see fit. 2.4.29 is the latest 2.4 kernel on kernel.org |
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10:01.11 | directhex|work | Melsen, be aware that anything other than 2.4.29 or debian kernels are insecure |
10:01.21 | Melsen | Ok.. but I just wanna make sure.. when you say basis.. do you just mean look at it for info, or.. actually copying it into the kernel-source dir? |
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10:02.12 | takatumi | Melsen: copy it no probs |
10:02.32 | directhex|work | Melsen, actually copying it into the kernel source directory, and using 'make oldconfig' to re-use the old config & add entries for new things |
10:02.35 | duke | localhost never goes beyond the router, right? |
10:02.53 | duke | and is faster than a domain name |
10:03.27 | notty | i am trying to mount an image but i get this error: # mount /mnt/d/Games/linux/uplink/Uplink.iso01.iso /mnt/cdrom/ -o loop=/dev/loop0 ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy |
10:03.27 | Melsen | Ahh... here we go. |
10:03.35 | wk | Hi, I would need to get some clarification on how apt-listbugs classifies bugs. Mainly I'm not sure how to understand "*grave* bugs". Does it mean that the bug is already solved/"dead" (so why to mention it at all then?) or does it mean that this bug is very, very critical and could led to a dead system? |
10:03.47 | Melsen | Would you mind if I asked you guys about some of the new config issues in the kernel... since I have no clue what I'm doing or what they mean? |
10:03.59 | Melsen | Machine Check Exception (CONFIG_X86_MCE) [N/y/?] (NEW) ??? |
10:04.00 | directhex|work | Melsen, what exactly are you doing? |
10:04.09 | Melsen | make oldconfig |
10:04.18 | Melsen | now I get a buncha questions.... |
10:04.21 | directhex|work | Melsen, i mean in general |
10:04.26 | directhex|work | why install woody in vmware? |
10:04.30 | Melsen | Well.. the thing is |
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10:04.47 | Melsen | I need a base server image for running debian servers in a vmware environment |
10:05.07 | Melsen | When I clone an server image in vmware, I wanna clone it from an update base server installation with debian |
10:05.20 | Melsen | But.. I need something called vmware-tools installed to be able to clone the image |
10:05.28 | Melsen | and vmware-tools don't compile on 2.2 kernels |
10:05.33 | Melsen | which is why I need a 2.4 kernel |
10:05.39 | Melsen | which again is why I'm trying to compile it now =) |
10:05.49 | timo | Melsen, so install woody with 2.4 |
10:05.59 | Melsen | I'm trying to =) |
10:06.00 | holy_cow | melsen your installing linux on vmware? |
10:06.05 | Melsen | yes |
10:06.09 | directhex|work | Melsen, you can install a pre-compiled 2.4 in woody |
10:06.10 | holy_cow | you need to install a distro first |
10:06.15 | holy_cow | then from the distro access the cdrom |
10:06.23 | Melsen | I have a debian 30r4 installed right now |
10:06.24 | holy_cow | on the cdrom is a vmware tools installer |
10:06.27 | Melsen | I just wanna upgrade the kernel there |
10:06.30 | holy_cow | for windows it downloads it online |
10:06.35 | directhex|work | Melsen, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4, apt-get install one of them (i.e. kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386) |
10:06.49 | directhex|work | holy_cow, yes, and vmware-tools needs 2.4, as just said. |
10:07.12 | holy_cow | well you only need tools for x |
10:07.24 | resiak | You don't _need_ vmware-tools at all. |
10:07.28 | resiak | They're just nice :) |
10:07.35 | Melsen | I need them resiak |
10:07.39 | holy_cow | you can upgrade kernel via command line as suggested if you have your network card working? |
10:07.54 | Melsen | because if they aren't installed, then I can't start up the guest customization wizard through virtual center in vmware |
10:07.55 | resiak | Melsen: Okay, okay. |
10:08.08 | Melsen | and if I can't start that up.. I can't adjust things like partition size and yada yada yada =) |
10:08.09 | Melsen | hehe |
10:08.25 | resiak | :) |
10:08.31 | holy_cow | its runin in vmware |
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10:08.35 | holy_cow | what partition are you resizing? |
10:08.43 | ipp | Hello all |
10:08.44 | directhex|work | Melsen, i've given you the easy option. in fact, if you installed a 2.4 kernel, jsut reboot the guest machine into 2.4 |
10:08.49 | holy_cow | that makes no sense |
10:09.02 | Melsen | directhex|work: hehe.. 2 secs =) |
10:09.02 | directhex|work | holy_cow, shhh now |
10:09.48 | Melsen | holy_cow: My current base installation is on an image with a 4 gig paritiion.. but if I suddenly need a server with 10gig.. I got a problem when I clone it.. because it's locked to 4 gig without vmware-tools installed to be able to customize it during cloning =) |
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10:10.06 | holy_cow | why do you need to repartition a 'fake' file system? |
10:10.26 | Melsen | thats how it works when doing disk access in a raid system... |
10:10.28 | Melsen | err... |
10:10.28 | ipp | Hello all where (in what chanel) can I ask a question about ncurses development? |
10:10.35 | Melsen | nevermind.. just trust me when I say I need it =) |
10:10.37 | Melsen | hehe |
10:10.39 | holy_cow | k :) |
10:10.59 | Melsen | directhex|work: Do all kernels support SCSI access? |
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10:11.05 | Flimzy | ipp: #C might be a good place to start. |
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10:11.22 | Flimzy | ipp: If it's very ncurses-specific, you may have to ask on an ncurses development mailing list or somesuch |
10:11.40 | Melsen | directhex|work: Would this work you think?: kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. |
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10:12.01 | Flimzy | Melsen: All (modern) kernel versions have the possibility for SCSI support, if it's enabled at compiletime. |
10:12.10 | Melsen | Cool |
10:12.11 | Melsen | thanks |
10:12.13 | ipp | Flimzy: Thanks |
10:12.25 | Flimzy | Melsen: If you're using a precompiled kernel, most (if not all) available SCSI drivers should be available as modules. |
10:12.48 | Melsen | *gulps* Well.. now we'll see... |
10:12.51 | Melsen | installing it now =) |
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10:18.07 | Melsen | Oh PLEASE make this work =) hehehe *crosses his fingers* |
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10:20.51 | tobo | I want to upgrade my nfsv3 system to v4 and i was wondering if there's a debian specific guide on setting up nfsv4? |
10:21.01 | azreal | anyone have any experience with festival, i want to use mbrola, what is the best way to go about it? im thinking i should just compile festival myself, becaus eif i modify the debian install, it just gets hosed sooner or later, and its a pain in the butt to fix it again. |
10:21.42 | miqer | <PROTECTED> |
10:21.42 | simonrvn | tobo: NAFAIK. why debian specific? |
10:21.56 | Melsen | Juuuust great... now it didn't find my network card... *curses* |
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10:22.30 | tobo | simonrvn: just want to se what packages i'm required to install and mostly i want the locations of the config files for debian, often differs between distros |
10:22.38 | tobo | in my experience at least |
10:22.59 | holy_cow | Melsen, woody installer? |
10:23.15 | jm_ | miqer: no, you can put on user in two groups, while the other is only in one group so .. |
10:23.17 | Melsen | ya |
10:23.23 | simonrvn | tobo: oh, bof, easiest way to figure out the conf locations is with dpkg -L <package> ;) |
10:23.24 | jm_ | miqer=on=one |
10:23.31 | jm_ | blah |
10:23.38 | Melsen | used kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV. |
10:23.41 | holy_cow | it doesn't detect anything unfortunately, you haveto manually tell it which modules you need :/ |
10:23.48 | Melsen | argh |
10:23.50 | tobo | simonrvn: aha, you live you learn =) |
10:24.12 | miqer | jm: the one in two groups will have more rights than the other one? |
10:24.13 | Melsen | So.. how do I fix this then? :) |
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10:24.33 | miqer | jm_: thank you |
10:24.49 | jm_ | miqer: well that user will have access to files that are owned by either group |
10:24.51 | Rebecca | is there an easy way to change the repository from testing to unstable? |
10:24.57 | simonrvn | tobo: :) |
10:25.02 | Flimzy | miqer: Usually each user is in their own group in Debian... so user 'jon' is in group 'jon', and user 'bob' is in group 'bob'. Just add 'bob' to group 'jon' as well, then bob can modify jon's files, but jon can't modify bob's |
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10:25.19 | Flimzy | miqer: If they're not already in groups like that, you can create them as needed. |
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10:26.06 | Jenns | Hey all, will sarge automagically discover a windows installation and setup lilo to boot it during install? |
10:26.25 | jm_ | Jenns: Sarge defaults to GRUB |
10:26.26 | miqer | flimzy: thank you |
10:26.35 | Jenns | ok |
10:26.51 | Flimzy | I think it's time for me to sleep... about 4 hours ago |
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10:26.56 | vds | hi all |
10:27.06 | amyb | is Grub better than lilo? as in, I am doing a ditribution upgrade from woody to sarge and then a kernel update and an fairly new. will grub be easier? |
10:27.20 | Jenns | jm_: Will it offer to automagically configure GRUB for me? |
10:27.28 | Flimzy | I hate getting caught up in a programming project... I always for get to eat and sleep |
10:27.46 | vds | can I ask how many of you use antiviruses with linux ? does it make sense to protect a debian with an av? which one would you suggest ? |
10:27.49 | Flimzy | amyb: grub has more features. |
10:27.55 | jm_ | Jenns: I think it does, but I never used it |
10:28.05 | Flimzy | amyb: Whether's its easier than lilo is debatable (this debate took place on this chan a couple hours ago) |
10:28.05 | Jenns | ok :-) |
10:28.23 | amyb | Flimzy, ahh, well I don't want to reignite a discussion (or flamewar :) ) |
10:28.52 | jm_ | Jenns: it's trivial to add later anyway |
10:28.53 | amyb | how about an easier question, if i do a kernel upgrade using apt-get, will it automagically update lilo or will I do to do some stuff manually to make it boot the new kernel? |
10:29.00 | Jenns | yup, :-) |
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10:29.25 | jm_ | amyb: kernel-images or custom kernels made with make-kpkg will do that |
10:29.50 | amyb | thanks jm_ . I am a bit nervous because this is my first time messing with the kernel. |
10:29.58 | faxo | how do i configure alsa ? |
10:30.00 | Flimzy | amyb: yes |
10:30.19 | jm_ | amyb: so keep the old one in lilo |
10:30.20 | takatumi | amyb: /etc/kernel-img.conf controls that. |
10:30.47 | Flimzy | amyb: If you use kernel-package (or a prebuilt image), it will automatically update lilo, and leave a backup of your old kernel there, too. |
10:31.05 | Flimzy | amyb: So if you can't boot from the new kernel for some reason, you can choose the backup one from the lilo menu when you reboot again. |
10:31.17 | resiak | vds: Antivirus for GNU/Linux? Heh. The only anti-virus packages as far as I know are to expunge Windows viruses from files. |
10:31.38 | amyb | ahhh. that makes me feel a lot easier about this, Flimzy |
10:31.58 | Rebecca | im trying to upgrade a testing package to unstable. is there an apt-get command that tells it to use the unstable version rather than testing? |
10:32.05 | Flimzy | vds: It is _nearly_ impossible for Unix to become infected with viruses. |
10:32.35 | Flimzy | Rebecca: one package, or your whole system? |
10:32.39 | resiak | !tell Rebecca about quick sid/sarge mix |
10:32.45 | Rebecca | a single package |
10:32.46 | Jenns | vds: there is a program to check for rootkits floating around, are you after something that scans for windows viruses under linux or just for linux based exploits? |
10:32.48 | amyb | er sorry, let me disable that script |
10:33.07 | resiak | amyb: I was about to say... |
10:33.19 | takatumi | amyb: were you a bot in your earlier incarnation? |
10:33.32 | resiak | Rebecca: I !told you about that earlier :) |
10:33.33 | Rebecca | um.. those instructions refer to files i dont have... is that ok? |
10:33.47 | resiak | Rebecca: Yes, it's fine that apt.conf doesn't exist yet. |
10:33.57 | resiak | Rebecca: The others should exist. |
10:34.18 | amyb | takatumi just an old script for another irdc network. I haven't used mirc under windows in a very long time. forgot about it |
10:34.47 | takatumi | amyb: mirc..bleh. |
10:34.59 | amyb | I'm a reformed windows user. |
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10:35.19 | takatumi | amyb: rehabilitated. |
10:35.55 | Rebecca | which lines in /etc/apt/sources.list are sarge? and how do i change said lines to sid? |
10:36.04 | resiak | Rebecca: The ones that mention testing |
10:36.12 | Rebecca | oh |
10:36.14 | resiak | Rebecca: /join #flood and paste it. |
10:36.14 | jm_ | Rebecca: don't do it if ou don't know that |
10:36.25 | resiak | jm_: You're probably right. |
10:36.44 | Flimzy | amyb: A reformed Windows user? Wouldn't that mean that you've changed the way in which you use Windows? |
10:36.49 | resiak | Rebecca: You'd probably be best off going to packages.debian.org/packagename and downloading the Sid .deb, then dpkg -i foo.deb |
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10:38.05 | amyb | Flimzy, ok ok, how about ex-windows user? altho unfortunely I still have to use windows at work. (I cheat tho and SSH into my linux box at home cause it's quicker to do things tho) |
10:38.28 | Flimzy | Rebecca: Be aware, however, that you may not be able to cleanly install an unstable package into testing if the unstable package depends on newer versions of other packages. This is often a _very_ big problem when installing unstable/testing packages in stable, and sometimes a problem when installing unstable in testing. |
10:38.50 | Flimzy | amyb: "Converted Windows user" perhaps |
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10:39.09 | Rebecca | resiak: ok, ill try that |
10:39.15 | Rebecca | Flimzy: ok |
10:39.23 | Rebecca | the package is amule btw |
10:39.36 | Flimzy | what is amule? |
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10:39.49 | Flimzy | ah |
10:39.50 | Flimzy | hmm |
10:39.58 | Flimzy | I wonder if I should try that instead of MLDonkey |
10:40.06 | Flimzy | nah... I like MLDonkey's web interface |
10:40.11 | Flimzy | let's me P2P remotely very nicely |
10:40.26 | Flimzy | oh wait |
10:40.29 | Flimzy | I'm looking at amule |
10:40.31 | vds | resiak Flimzy Jenns : I'm looking at clamav for example, which scan the disk for viruses, I'm sure it is nearly useless, but in many public places like universities you have to have an av in order to connect your laptop to the network, no matter what os are you running |
10:40.35 | Flimzy | now I still wonder what emule is |
10:40.54 | Flimzy | vds: ClamAV scans for Windows viruses on your Linux machine |
10:41.02 | resiak | vds: You don't need it. |
10:41.07 | Flimzy | vds: Typically used for Linux fileservers (serving Windows clients) or to scan emails |
10:41.15 | resiak | vds: I'm at a uni, and they're fine with me not having any AV just because it's pointless. |
10:41.43 | Flimzy | vds: Just think about it... If you *did* by some strange chance get infected with a virus... you wouldn't be able to spread it to the Windows PCs on the network anyway. |
10:41.47 | vds | resiak: unfortunatly I know people not as lucky as you are :) |
10:42.02 | Rebecca | emule is a windows port of amule.. or perhaps it's the other way around.. i forget |
10:42.07 | Flimzy | vds: Just tell them you have virus protection. You'll be telling the truth |
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10:42.12 | Jenns | vds: Install apt-get install chkrootkit <-- closest thing I know of thats a virus scanner |
10:42.19 | Jenns | for linux |
10:42.22 | Phated | clamav? |
10:42.23 | Flimzy | Rebecca: Well.. uh... amule is for Linux. And if emule is a Windows port, then it obviously won't be in Debian. |
10:42.43 | vds | I agree with all of you, but burocracy is blind you know, if there is a rule that says you have to run an av, well you have or no network connection :) |
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10:42.51 | vds | Jenns: thanks |
10:42.55 | resiak | vds: What are you on about? Hit them with a stick! |
10:43.06 | idnar | Rebecca: it's the other way around |
10:43.06 | Usiu | how to connect two networks with stunnel ? |
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10:43.20 | vds | in any case I'm happy that still in the 2005 linux doesn't need an antivirus :) |
10:43.31 | idnar | vds: how do you prove that you have AV software installed? |
10:43.35 | Rebecca | idnar: ok |
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10:44.49 | Jenns | haha, create shell script called norton.exe that echos out "Scanning for Linux viruses.\n Oh Joy none are found!" |
10:44.56 | Flimzy | vbs: Then I suggest you write some Linux viruses so that there's a reason to scan for them. |
10:45.19 | idnar | there are Linux viruses |
10:45.19 | vds | idnar: you have to run it in front of a sys admin |
10:45.31 | idnar | they just have a hard time spreading, for obvious reasons |
10:45.47 | Jenns | vds: then my norton.exe idea will work perfectly :-) |
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10:45.50 | Flimzy | vbs: Because Unix is so fragmented, and because of it's security model, although some Linux viruses do exist, it is very difficult for them to propogate. |
10:46.04 | Flimzy | vbs: And when they do propogate, the damage they can do is very limited. |
10:46.08 | idnar | vds: echo "#!/bin/sh\nsleep 1000\necho No viruses found!" |
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10:46.12 | Flimzy | vbs: And they certianly won't spread to Windows computers. |
10:46.25 | Flimzy | vbs: Linux is far more frequently effected by Windows viruses than by Linux viruses. |
10:46.25 | idnar | vds: er, echo "..." > virus_scan; chmod +x virus_scan |
10:46.39 | Flimzy | vbs: Due to virus-based DOS attacks, port scans, etc. |
10:48.13 | vds | I'm not saying there are good reasons behind that :) This kind of decisions are taken by people witout any technical skill |
10:48.14 | azreal | i allways liked: "i have discovered a HUGE security hole in rm(1)!" |
10:48.16 | Jenns | vds: just run chkrootkit, it looks antivirusesy enough :-) |
10:48.16 | holy_cow | vds, just out of curiosity, how are they going to check? |
10:48.23 | Flimzy | vbs: apt-get install locate... it does a (by default) nightly scan of your hard drive... If there are any viruses on your HD at that point, they will be "scanned" :P |
10:48.34 | holy_cow | what exactly do they want, a signature on a paper or is someone actually going to inspect the laptop? |
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10:48.47 | vds | holy_cow: as I said you have to run an av in front of a sys admin |
10:48.50 | Flimzy | vds: The decisions are also made by people who aren't going to be logging into your laptop to make sure you comply with rules they don't understand. |
10:49.00 | holy_cow | vds, hehe |
10:49.04 | holy_cow | thats beyond stupid |
10:49.06 | vds | then send to him a email with the log |
10:49.09 | Flimzy | vds: Anyone stupid enough to require you to have AV software in Linux is also going to be too stupid to verify that you're in compliance. |
10:49.16 | holy_cow | sys admin is only an mcse? |
10:49.17 | holy_cow | wow |
10:49.21 | vds | Flimzy: right |
10:49.37 | Flimzy | vds: Another option: dual-boot, and put AVG on your Windows partition. |
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10:49.41 | holy_cow | Flimzy, hehe :) excellent point |
10:49.42 | Flimzy | vds: Then show them that when they ask. |
10:50.01 | alejandro_ | would it improve the compiling time if I install distcc using only 1 pc? |
10:50.10 | Flimzy | vds: Or create an AVI file of a Windows virus scan.... and run it in mplayer when they ask for proof :P |
10:50.10 | amyb | wow, either i'm really drunk or something funky is happening with my keyboard input. i'm copying files so it's rather laggy, but the characters are ending up all over the place. weird. |
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10:50.14 | ImStillDave | Has anyone installed Sarge on a SATA drive? I'm having some "issues." |
10:50.19 | vds | but I tought it is a good chance to understand the state of the art on av for linux, and I'm happy I cannot find anythong on the web, means it is still unattachable :) |
10:50.23 | cafard | hi there |
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10:50.43 | vds | Flimzy: lol ! :) |
10:50.58 | vds | Flimzy: that's the option I like more! :) |
10:51.16 | cafard | does anyone know how to set a maximum number of connections per host on debian's ircd-ircu daemon? |
10:51.45 | cafard | the ircd.conf configuration is quite obscure to me even after some doc reading... |
10:52.01 | kjoe | does anyone has build kde 3.4 beta on debian sarge or sid? |
10:52.08 | takatumi | vds: maybe this will ease your pananoia. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222 |
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10:53.35 | vds | takatumi: already read the article, funny ! |
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10:54.33 | d3vic3 | is dchroot system wide? |
10:54.49 | d3vic3 | I mean does it change / for the whole system ? |
10:54.58 | holy_cow | vds, congrats on bringing debian to school anyway |
10:55.04 | holy_cow | how long you've been using it? |
10:55.16 | Flimzy | d3vic3: No, just for the shell it's running |
10:55.24 | theJackal | chroot is virtually a shell :D |
10:55.26 | Flimzy | d3vic3: Altho you can run multiple shells in a single chroot simultaneously if you wish |
10:55.43 | d3vic3 | how ? |
10:55.46 | broke | what would you consider as the best videoplayer for linux ? |
10:56.00 | Flimzy | vds: I used to work at an aircraft manufacturing plant where they had a policy of don't bring any personal hardware to work... |
10:56.09 | theJackal | mplayer... although it kills X occasionally (by occasionally. i mean ALL THE TIME) |
10:56.13 | Rebecca | thanks Flimzy, resiak, amyb :) |
10:56.14 | d3vic3 | broke, mplayer |
10:56.20 | Flimzy | vds: So I just took my own laptop to work anyway... and ran htun to pierce their firewall and get on IRC from there |
10:56.23 | Flimzy | vds: :P |
10:56.35 | Flimzy | vds: violated every rule I could |
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10:56.47 | theJackal | Flimzy: did you need to do a MAC address change to get in? |
10:56.49 | Flimzy | broke: mplayer and xine |
10:56.55 | Flimzy | theJackal: No |
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10:57.04 | Flimzy | theJackal: their DHCP servers weren't anal |
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10:57.20 | theJackal | Flimzy: hehe.. universitys use mac filtering. |
10:57.24 | Flimzy | theJackal: thier policies were much meaner than their actual security measures |
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10:57.31 | theJackal | lol |
10:57.40 | Jenns | well, I've just installed a recent copy of sarge, I was quite impressed with how far the install has come |
10:57.45 | Flimzy | theJackal: In fact, I could probably show you the broken turnstyles still... and get in and plant bombs on their aircraft if we wanted to :P |
10:57.55 | theJackal | lol |
10:58.05 | Jenns | *installer |
10:58.07 | theJackal | erm.. nobody heard that did they ? :) |
10:58.27 | robin_sz | ok, so how do I enable remote access with courier-webadmin? its locked down to the localhost only |
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10:58.50 | Flimzy | theJackal: If the turnstyles are broken, just go to any security desk and say you need a contractor badge, then tell them you work for a real company... like, say, UPS, FedEx, the electric company, whatever |
10:58.56 | Flimzy | theJackal: And they'll print you a 24-hour badge |
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10:59.06 | Flimzy | theJackal: And then you'll have free reign anywhere on their campus |
10:59.25 | Flimzy | theJackal: They *never* ask for even as much as an ID |
10:59.27 | broke | Flimzy > thnx |
11:00.09 | robin_sz | Flimzy: might they expect a UPS man to be wearing a UPS overall, carrying an UPS datatablet and driving a UPS van? |
11:00.18 | vds | as you are talking about that...how can I change the MAC of my cards at boot time ? |
11:00.27 | robin_sz | anyway .. I digress |
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11:01.09 | ImStillDave | Has anyone installed Sarge on a SATA drive? I'm having some "issues." |
11:01.14 | theJackal | at boot? dunno.. i think you can do some kernel parms to do it.. |
11:01.51 | theJackal | i usually leave my machine unplugged untill booted, cos onboard lan cards do wierd things in the "bios |
11:01.57 | Weems | is there a way to remove all incompletely installed packages, so I wont have to go through the endless process of apt-get -f install, I just want to install alsa |
11:02.07 | theJackal | lol |
11:02.27 | theJackal | um, play with aptitude, and go an manually balanance dependancy breaks |
11:02.51 | robin_sz | anyway ... |
11:03.00 | SiliconViper | ImStillDave, I have. |
11:03.10 | Weems | thejackal, I get this error: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
11:03.11 | Weems | Errors were encountered while processing: |
11:03.11 | Weems | <PROTECTED> |
11:03.11 | Weems | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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11:03.12 | SiliconViper | What 'issues'? |
11:03.13 | GoD_SPeeD | "segmentation fault" when doing "su" .. what does it mean? |
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11:03.31 | SiliconViper | GoD_SPeeD, O_o |
11:03.35 | GoD_SPeeD | guess i f*cked it up.. logging in as root also fails |
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11:03.50 | SiliconViper | GoD_SPeeD, try 'su -' |
11:03.57 | GoD_SPeeD | k |
11:04.19 | GoD_SPeeD | same :/ |
11:04.25 | SiliconViper | :( |
11:04.33 | SiliconViper | So it's not your login scripts. |
11:04.37 | SiliconViper | Herm. |
11:04.53 | robin_sz | help me. I have a 2.4.2 kernel and a 2.6.8 kernel .. and a Dell with a 'megaraid' controller ... under 2.4 it works fine .. and it will work fine under 2.6 ... but for some reason, it tries to use the 'megaraid2' module in 2.6, which was renamed 'megaraid' ... is there some line I can add to the grub thing to make it reallise that? |
11:05.09 | Weems | I get this error when I run install -f: /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-10_i386.deb |
11:05.10 | Weems | <Weems> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
11:05.16 | SiliconViper | robin_sz, why was it renamed? |
11:05.24 | GoD_SPeeD | i was following a postfix-cyrus howto.. and i had to su to a diff user.. typed in a few commands.. so i wanted to su back to root and at once it came up with segmantation fautls |
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11:05.31 | jm_ | robin_sz: why does it matter if it was renamed? |
11:05.41 | SiliconViper | GoD_SPeeD, do you have sudo? |
11:05.42 | jm_ | Weems: check BTS |
11:05.48 | theJackal | Weerns: you could always try "dpkg --configure -a " flollowed by "dpkg -P PKGNAMEHERE" to PURGE it from your system if the config didt work |
11:05.54 | GoD_SPeeD | SiliconViper, not that i can remember.. |
11:06.07 | robin_sz | SiliconViper: there used to be megaraid in 2.4 which was v1 and megariad2, which was v2 ... 2.6 only has the v2 driver and calls it megaraid |
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11:06.12 | SiliconViper | If so, try 'sudo apt-get remove postfix-cyrus', and pray. |
11:06.23 | GoD_SPeeD | SiliconViper, i am now logged in through lilo option :: Linux init=/bin/sh |
11:06.29 | theJackal | PURGE meaning -- "uninstall, and clear configs related" |
11:06.38 | robin_sz | jm_: it matters because it still tries to insmod megraid2.ko, cant find it, kernel panics and dies |
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11:06.56 | jm_ | robin_sz: who tries to do that? |
11:06.57 | alejandro_ | if I have only 1 computer, will I speed up the compiling time if I install distcc? |
11:07.10 | SiliconViper | robin_sz, update-modules? |
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11:07.18 | robin_sz | jm_: the boot sequence when trying to boot a 2.6 kernel |
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11:07.31 | jm_ | robin_sz: as in initrd? |
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11:07.44 | robin_sz | jm_: yeah. |
11:07.52 | GoD_SPeeD | SiliconViper, that's not an option, installed everything from source :/ |
11:08.06 | GoD_SPeeD | i just don't get it.. |
11:08.21 | SiliconViper | GoD_SPeeD, Oh? Any particular reason? |
11:08.26 | robin_sz | SiliconViper: but im booted in 2.4 right now .. update modules wont touch the non-running 2.6 stuff will it? |
11:08.50 | jm_ | robin_sz: that's odd, mount the initrd image and fix it I guess |
11:08.57 | SiliconViper | robin_sz, dunno, but it can't really hurt too much to give it a try. |
11:09.10 | GoD_SPeeD | SiliconViper, not really |
11:09.19 | robin_sz | hmmm ... mount the intrd ... |
11:09.24 | robin_sz | sounds easy ... |
11:09.32 | GoD_SPeeD | SiliconViper, i guess i wanted to learn something more about the OS instead of just doing apt-get ;) |
11:09.43 | jm_ | robin_sz: oir debug how it gets created and see why it does that |
11:09.45 | SiliconViper | GoD_SPeeD, well, in the future, may I recommend installing from .deb first, then source only if you know you want/need to. |
11:10.01 | GoD_SPeeD | SiliconViper, indeed |
11:10.16 | robin_sz | jm_: blimey, that sounds beyond my kernel-package fu |
11:10.29 | SiliconViper | GoD_SPeeD, admirable, yes. But what more do you learn from ./configure && make && sudo make install, than apt-get install <package> |
11:10.30 | SiliconViper | ? |
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11:10.38 | jm_ | robin_sz: are you building a custom kernel? |
11:10.44 | robin_sz | jm_: nope |
11:10.58 | jm_ | robin_sz: ok, well it uses mkinitrd |
11:11.04 | GoD_SPeeD | SiliconViper, good point |
11:11.21 | GoD_SPeeD | ) |
11:11.22 | GoD_SPeeD | :) |
11:11.27 | SiliconViper | s/so/it was/ |
11:12.06 | takatumi | GoD_SPeeD: and if you really want to try pushing it, try apt-build |
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11:12.36 | SiliconViper | takatumi, apt-get source <package> && ./configure && make && checkinstall |
11:12.45 | SiliconViper | Assuming one has checkinstall present. |
11:12.52 | takatumi | !apt-build |
11:12.52 | dpkg | well, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html |
11:12.53 | holy_cow | how do you check what video card you have in the laptop from console? |
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11:13.21 | SiliconViper | actually.... there would have to be a 'cd' in there somewhere. ;p |
11:13.31 | SiliconViper | holy_cow, lspci |
11:13.32 | husein | hi... |
11:13.38 | SiliconViper | Heya. |
11:13.45 | holy_cow | ah! |
11:13.47 | holy_cow | thanks! |
11:13.57 | SiliconViper | holy_cow, glad to be of service! |
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11:14.12 | robin_sz | jm_: ok, i mounted the initrd, found the problem, but i cant edit it .. get a FSYNC fail when I try to write to the initrd |
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11:16.50 | husein | i am trying to mount cluster system over a external disk cabine (FASTT storage). I need linux to see severals LUNS. Only get to see LUN where file system is storaged...but i cant see other LUN (quorum) needed for cluster comunication. Any help please? |
11:17.06 | jm_ | robin_sz: ahh right, cramfs is read-only file system |
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11:17.16 | robin_sz | jm_: ahh. |
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11:17.31 | jm_ | robin_sz: check mkinitrd man page |
11:17.40 | SiliconViper | husein, O_o Sounds like an adventure! |
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11:18.15 | CarlosAlex | Hello, How do I add KDE menu into GNOME menu ??? |
11:18.17 | robin_sz | jm_: so edit the /etc/loadmodules file, run mkinitrd, putting the new initrd somewhere, un-edit the file again |
11:18.48 | SiliconViper | CarlosAlex, that's.... an interesting idea. What's your rationale for that? |
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11:19.51 | CarlosAlex | because there are some graphical utilities in KDE menu, that there isnt in GNOME menu |
11:19.58 | CarlosAlex | like install the printer, for example |
11:20.10 | tchino | when i edit gif or png-pictures i get the message, prozedure 'gimp_image_set_colormap' not found, what is wrong? |
11:20.18 | SiliconViper | CarlosAlex, did you check the entry at the end of the Gnome menu 'Debian Menu' ? |
11:20.30 | tgtf | I downloaded debian dvd iso with jigdo and tried to burn it. But nero burning rom says there is only about 24mb file in the iso image. has any one has some clue. jigdu has tested the file after 2 days downloading!! |
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11:21.28 | SiliconViper | tgtf, I know this doesn't answer your question, but it might help. Have you tried using a netinstall disc, or is that not appropriate for what you need? |
11:21.40 | SiliconViper | Only ~112MB. |
11:21.42 | CarlosAlex | not yet |
11:21.47 | holy_cow | heh, this trident driver has ogl support |
11:21.47 | holy_cow | wow |
11:22.15 | SiliconViper | CarlosAlex, run 'update-menus', then check that out. |
11:22.31 | tgtf | I am traveling a lot and have no net access for long times so i needed the dvd version for those blackout times. |
11:22.32 | SiliconViper | If you still don't find it, I'll see what I can do to help you further. |
11:22.35 | takatumi | husein: "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device" is an option with 2.6. "CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN" "The max_luns boot/module parameter allows to override this setting." (from the kernel config help text) |
11:22.46 | SiliconViper | tgtf, fair enough. Just checking ^_~ |
11:23.23 | SiliconViper | holy_cow, mmm... trident. |
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11:23.28 | tgtf | silonviper, thnx |
11:23.50 | SiliconViper | tgtf, try checking it again with jigdo, and see what it says. |
11:24.07 | SiliconViper | Then, check the filesize. |
11:24.27 | husein | takatumi, do you know if is it possible under kernel 2.4.9-e.24smp |
11:24.27 | tgtf | siliconviper, you mean download it again?!! |
11:24.29 | SiliconViper | Then, if nero still bitches, smash it with a hammer. :D |
11:24.33 | takatumi | husein: dunno. |
11:24.34 | SiliconViper | tgtf, no! |
11:24.52 | SiliconViper | tgtf, I mean, run jigdo against the existing image. |
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11:25.16 | SiliconViper | It should only download any packages that are new. |
11:25.39 | SiliconViper | Or updated. |
11:25.39 | tgtf | Oh will do that and come back!! thanx |
11:25.49 | SiliconViper | tgtf, back up the original. |
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11:25.58 | SiliconViper | Just in case something goes horribly wrong. |
11:26.02 | tgtf | will do that tooo |
11:26.05 | SiliconViper | ^_~ |
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11:26.16 | Jennwong | how can i create a new database name in mysql on debian? |
11:26.16 | SiliconViper | jigdo is awesome like that. |
11:26.30 | directhex|work | husein, why do you have a kernel that old and insecure? |
11:26.46 | SiliconViper | Jennwong, mysqladmin -p create <dbname> |
11:27.04 | Jennwong | thanks SiliconViper |
11:27.12 | SiliconViper | Jennwong, always glad to help! |
11:27.14 | SiliconViper | ^_~ |
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11:28.02 | husein | directhex|work, cause is which it came under distribution. Really dont know. Boss decided it. |
11:28.23 | SiliconViper | husein, apt-cache search kernel-image | less |
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11:29.50 | husein | anybody knows a precompiled kernel valid for? |
11:30.04 | husein | think is....easiest... |
11:30.11 | SiliconViper | husein, Look up. |
11:31.28 | Jennwong | how can i set new dbname? is that mysqladmin -p edit ? |
11:31.29 | husein | wana say....is threre any 2.6 precomiled with support Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device |
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11:32.51 | SiliconViper | husein, did you try that command? |
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11:33.13 | pasha | Hi all |
11:33.33 | SiliconViper | Jennwong, the dbname is set when you issue a 'mysqladmin -p create <whatever-you-want-to-call-it>' |
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11:33.53 | possie_ | are there people in here that acctualy get diffrent windows clients to logon to a samba 3 server? what a hell |
11:33.56 | takatumi | husein: the oldest one I have is the 2.6.7-1-686 which has CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y, so I would presume most would have it. |
11:34.35 | SiliconViper | Heya pasha. |
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11:34.54 | pasha | :] |
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11:35.08 | pasha | Åñòü êòî ðóññêèé? |
11:35.11 | Jennwong | yes i did it |
11:35.13 | takatumi | ;=] |
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11:35.34 | pasha | russkiie est'? |
11:35.40 | SiliconViper | pasha, ...? |
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11:35.56 | pasha | what? |
11:35.56 | Jennwong | i want to know how can i see newdbname is created |
11:35.57 | SiliconViper | whiskey tango foxtrot |
11:36.01 | takatumi | !ru |
11:36.01 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
11:36.03 | mantiena-baltix | pasha, net |
11:36.12 | pasha | pravda? |
11:36.12 | ChrisW | how can I find out who a process is running as? |
11:36.17 | Jennwong | and how can i create tables etc |
11:36.28 | takatumi | pasha: smirnoff |
11:36.28 | mantiena-baltix | pasha, da |
11:36.33 | husein | SiliconViper, that said me nothing |
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11:36.37 | pasha | ;] |
11:36.41 | pasha | !ru |
11:36.41 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
11:37.01 | SiliconViper | husein, ??? |
11:37.09 | SiliconViper | husein, apt-get update |
11:37.29 | SiliconViper | then try again. 'apt-cache search kernel-image' ... |
11:37.33 | husein | certainly... |
11:37.35 | husein | :) |
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11:37.38 | takatumi | husein: if you are woody, you won't have a 2.6 in the selection. |
11:37.44 | SiliconViper | It should show you all the available precompiled kernels. |
11:37.48 | ChrisW | I guess I'm looking for a combination of top and ps |
11:37.50 | takatumi | *on |
11:37.50 | ChrisW | any ideas? |
11:37.52 | maynanian | hello... when i am running linux... my computer freeze after some time... not after defined time, it also happens to me in windows xp, so... the os that can work well on my computer is windows 98, but i want to install linux.. and don't know how to overcome the problem... |
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11:38.13 | SiliconViper | ChrisW, isn't top a combination of top and ps? |
11:38.16 | takatumi | ChrisW: pstree? |
11:38.50 | ChrisW | okay, I have a server process which I think may be running as the wrong user |
11:38.53 | PerfDave | maynanian: Is there anything in the log files relating to a freeze? |
11:39.01 | ChrisW | I can find the process using ps, but it's too low down on top's list |
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11:39.12 | ChrisW | can I poke ps to tell me what user a process si running as? |
11:39.13 | maynanian | PerfDave: that he can't access the hard-disk drive.. |
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11:40.02 | paulswm | ChrisW: ps -ef tells you the user in the first column, is that what you're looking for? |
11:40.02 | SiliconViper | ChrisW, in top, type '?' |
11:40.05 | husein | first....making lilo....is enought for boot using it instead grub? |
11:40.17 | ChrisW | paulswm: thanks! :-) |
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11:40.23 | robin_sz | will I see much difference in perfomrance running a em64t kernel on my umm, em64t box rather than a plain old 686 kernel? |
11:40.28 | paulswm | ChrisW: np :) |
11:40.38 | SiliconViper | robin_sz, I should hope so. |
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11:42.19 | PerfDave | maynanian: Exactly what error do you get? |
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11:43.13 | maynanian | PerfDave: i don't remember how it is styled... but it's like that he can't access, can't read.. it is something with 2 lines.. that he tries to refresh... don't remember exactly |
11:43.31 | PerfDave | maynanian: Without an exact error, we can't really help you. |
11:43.37 | directhex|work | robin_sz, depends whether you want 64 bit |
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11:43.46 | PerfDave | maynanian: Look up the error. Google for it. See what it means and how to fix it. |
11:44.13 | maynanian | PerfDave: ok, thanks..... :) |
11:44.17 | directhex|work | robin_sz, i wouldn't expect much speed difference, but you won't be able to execute 64 bit code or address large amounts of memory with a 32 bit kernel |
11:44.28 | takatumi | directhex|work: is there really a noticeable difference? especially for an amd64. |
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11:45.36 | directhex|work | takatumi, amd64 is a very very fast 32 bit platform. it's not gonna be much faster in 64 bit mode, but it will be able to address extra ram |
11:45.38 | pasha | :( |
11:46.08 | alejandro_ | would it improve the compiling time if I install distcc using only 1 pc? |
11:46.19 | robin_sz | directhex|work: OK, so if there no speed diffs, I'll pass on it |
11:46.26 | PerfDave | alejandro_: Uhm, how can you distribute a task across one PC? :) |
11:46.33 | SiliconViper | alejandro_, does it makes sense that it would? |
11:46.38 | robin_sz | bah, this initrd thing is harder than it should be |
11:46.45 | SiliconViper | I mean, it has *extra* work to do... |
11:46.53 | alejandro_ | i know...I just wanted to be sure :P |
11:46.57 | SiliconViper | That doesn't seem like something that would improve performance, silly. |
11:47.05 | alejandro_ | ;) |
11:47.09 | SiliconViper | ;p |
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11:47.55 | b0ef | when I run dd with conv=noerror, does it write zeros to the image it's writing to or does it just skip it?. |
11:48.17 | b0ef | ..as in when it detects bad blocks |
11:48.24 | takatumi | directhex|work: ok, but this kinda got me interested. "The debian "pure64" port for AMD64 and EM64T based systems is, as the name states, thoroughly 64bit. More than 97% of all source packages in unstable have been ported. Pure64 is installable using a pre-release of the Debian-Installer." |
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11:49.30 | directhex|work | takatumi, speed improvements start if you have a system compiled with gcc 3.4, which is MUCH more efficient at generating 64 bit amd64 code |
11:49.53 | directhex|work | takatumi, i use pure64 for the educational experience, not because it's practical |
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11:50.18 | takatumi | directhex|work: "gcc-3.4, a thoroughly gcc-3.4 based Sid port." |
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11:50.34 | TheLittleWitch|a | If i install 64bit debian, then i can't install any 32bit software ? |
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11:51.00 | tchino | when i edit gif or png-pictures i get the message, prozedure 'gimp_image_set_colormap' not found, what is wrong? |
11:51.02 | Douglas__ | Does anyone know of any very unstable debian package servers that I could get kde 3.4 or really early versions of things wrather than quite a bit behind? |
11:51.15 | Douglas__ | or perhaps even xorg? |
11:51.29 | SiliconViper | !xorg |
11:51.29 | dpkg | xorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs. |
11:51.30 | paulswm | alejandro_: you can improve compile time on repeated compiles with ccache |
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11:51.51 | trtr | hi.. debian hasn't php5 packages yet ? |
11:52.00 | SiliconViper | Douglas__, Unstable 'Sid' is very up-to-date. |
11:52.10 | alejandro_ | paulswm, only when I reinstall packages right? |
11:52.21 | SiliconViper | KDE3.4 is not in, for reasons discussed on the mailing lists. |
11:52.24 | Douglas__ | it is, but there are still newer verions of things and some thing like xorg missing? |
11:52.29 | SiliconViper | I'll see if I can rustle up a post. |
11:52.47 | SiliconViper | Douglas__, xorg isn't 'missing', it is intentionally not included. |
11:52.59 | PerfDave | Douglas__: /msg dpkg xorg |
11:53.00 | Douglas__ | I know, but why? |
11:53.07 | paulswm | alejandro_: no, for any C compiles |
11:53.10 | PerfDave | !topicsmite Douglas__ |
11:53.11 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Douglas__. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
11:53.23 | tchino | Douglas: you get kde 3.3.2 by debian sarge |
11:53.31 | Douglas__ | I know. |
11:53.34 | SiliconViper | !tell Douglas__ about xorg |
11:53.51 | Douglas__ | but I wanted 3.4, even if it is unstable and shitty. |
11:53.56 | Douglas__ | ;( |
11:53.59 | SiliconViper | Then compile it, silly. |
11:54.14 | SiliconViper | http://www.kde.org/ |
11:54.20 | alejandro_ | try experimental |
11:54.37 | SiliconViper | alejandro_, I'm on Experimental aka 'Suicide', and KDE3.4 is not in there. |
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11:54.48 | alejandro_ | ok |
11:54.57 | SiliconViper | Granted, I'm not even a KDE user... |
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11:55.05 | jake | hi all |
11:55.10 | SiliconViper | Heya. |
11:55.23 | alejandro_ | paulswm, so, if I recompile, it will be a lot faster? |
11:55.32 | robin_sz | so .. is there a kernel param I could give to tell it to load the megaraid module? |
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11:55.47 | robin_sz | during boot? |
11:55.51 | Douglas__ | but I can't use a compiled version, can I, not if I use packages for everything else? |
11:56.05 | SiliconViper | Douglas__, sure you can. |
11:56.22 | SiliconViper | I compile what I need to, and use packages when they suit me. |
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11:56.29 | SiliconViper | Which is most of the time. |
11:56.30 | husein | takatumi, with a 2.6.10 kernel....can i have any way of incompatibility with a oracle server is running ? |
11:56.43 | paulswm | alejandro_: yes, if you have ccache set up. |
11:56.44 | jake | I am having a little trouble using autofs. I have it set up to mount my usb mass storage device, so it works fine as root. When i try to cd to the specified directory as a normal user,i just get this "bash: cd: kirstys-mp3-player/: Permission denied" wether its been mounted by automount or not.... Any ideas? |
11:56.47 | takatumi | husein: I have no idea. |
11:56.56 | SiliconViper | Douglas__, if you really care, you can build your own package. |
11:56.59 | husein | SiliconViper, have you? |
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11:57.16 | saintiss | hi |
11:57.26 | SiliconViper | If you're up for a bit of fun, you can set up an 'unofficial' repository with KDE3.4 for people who want it. |
11:57.35 | SiliconViper | And then, everyone wins. |
11:57.44 | tchino | Douglas: than you can do: #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free in sources.list and update kde |
11:57.47 | saintiss | I'm browsing a debian ftp mirror... where can I find the sarge packages? I only see pool/main, but no subdivision in stable/testing/unstable.. |
11:57.51 | SiliconViper | husein, what now? |
11:57.54 | Douglas__ | thanks |
11:57.57 | SiliconViper | I missed the question. |
11:58.08 | SiliconViper | Douglas__, no worries! Glad to be useful. |
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11:58.37 | husein | SiliconViper, if i change into a newest kernel , if i could have problems with my server oracle |
11:58.38 | Douglas__ | perhaps I'll be back after hours of building a new and flashier kde 3.4 |
11:58.42 | SiliconViper | tchino, http://packages.debian.org/ |
11:59.06 | SiliconViper | tchino, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/ |
11:59.33 | SiliconViper | husein, I have no idea, I don't use Oracle. Where did you get the impression that I did? |
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11:59.50 | tchino | SiliconViper: ok thank you, but i use kde3.3.1, that is enough for me |
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12:00.23 | SiliconViper | tchino, oops. >_< Those links were meant for saintiss |
12:00.28 | SiliconViper | Sorry. |
12:00.45 | saintiss | SiliconViper: ah, thanks |
12:00.54 | SiliconViper | tchino, also, kde 3.4 is *not* in unstable. |
12:01.15 | PerfDave | Now, what's the betting that Douglas__ compiles KDE 3.4b all over 3.3 and fucks his system totally, rather than putting it in /usr/local and using equivs? ;) |
12:01.18 | SiliconViper | and why would someone need contrib and non-free for KDE, anyways? |
12:01.21 | tchino | SiliconViper: but sid is unstable |
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12:01.28 | SiliconViper | tchino, I know. |
12:01.36 | SiliconViper | tchino, Sid doesn't have KDE3.4 |
12:01.39 | SiliconViper | It has KDE3.3.1 |
12:01.51 | Huahua | KDE 3.3.2 |
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12:01.58 | SiliconViper | Huahua, my bad, sorry. |
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12:02.05 | simonrvn | it has 3.3 |
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12:02.13 | simonrvn | !info kicker sid |
12:02.20 | tchino | SiliconViper: but how you can find kde3.4 for testing --> sarge |
12:02.21 | dpkg | kicker: (KDE Desktop Panel), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2124 kB, Installed size: 6292 kB |
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12:02.30 | Huahua | en |
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12:02.42 | SiliconViper | Those links I posted were in response to saintiss's questions about sid ftp browsing. |
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12:02.57 | SiliconViper | tchino, KDE 3.4 for Sarge? That's silly. |
12:03.10 | simonrvn | tchino: you don't |
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12:03.23 | SiliconViper | Not *wrong*, just silly. |
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12:04.10 | SiliconViper | I mean, if you wanted a more stable system (Testing 'Sarge'), then it would make sense to avoid unsupported 'bleeding edge' packages like KDE 3.4 |
12:04.17 | tchino | simonrvn: only for sid |
12:04.19 | SiliconViper | But that's just me. |
12:04.24 | simonrvn | !info kicker sarge |
12:04.33 | SiliconViper | tchino, it is *not* available for sid. |
12:04.39 | dpkg | kicker: (KDE Desktop Panel), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2124 kB, Installed size: 6292 kB |
12:04.39 | Huahua | 3.3.2 too |
12:04.52 | simonrvn | tchino: dude: if it's not in sid, it *won't* be in sarge |
12:04.56 | SiliconViper | PerfDave, go wild! I'd cheer for you. |
12:05.15 | SiliconViper | simonrvn, that's a good point. |
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12:05.37 | Huahua | !info konqueror |
12:05.41 | dpkg | konqueror: (KDE's advanced File Manager, Web Browser and Document Viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2186 kB, Installed size: 5140 kB |
12:05.43 | t0ffel | I read that you can select what kernel to use during installation by using parameters like "expert26", but I can't find these documented anywhere. Where can I find more info? |
12:05.49 | robin_sz | how do i load a module at boottime? |
12:05.57 | simonrvn | /etc/modules |
12:05.57 | directhex|work | robin_sz, add it to /etc/modules |
12:06.06 | robin_sz | no, thats post boot |
12:06.07 | Huahua | <PROTECTED> |
12:06.15 | robin_sz | is there a kernel parm? |
12:06.19 | jm_ | robin-sz;no |
12:06.31 | robin_sz | oh ... another avenue closed :( |
12:06.32 | husein | if i use make install..... dont have to do make modules && make modules_install, yes=? |
12:06.51 | Huahua | needn¡®t |
12:07.12 | husein | neither cp bzImage into /boot |
12:07.27 | robin_sz | well, fscked if I can figure out either where mkinitrd brews up loadmodules.conf from |
12:07.30 | simonrvn | husein: kernel version? |
12:07.34 | SiliconViper | husein, it would be a good idea to make modules && make modules_install |
12:07.36 | robin_sz | or how to make it obey my wishes |
12:07.50 | SiliconViper | Otherwise, how are you going to get your modules. |
12:07.51 | SiliconViper | ? |
12:07.54 | PerfDave | t0ffel: Read the Installation Manual, follow the instructions on screen. |
12:08.02 | PerfDave | husein: If you're compiling a kernel, you want to use make-kpkg |
12:08.11 | Huahua | yes |
12:08.16 | SiliconViper | PerfDave, good point.... |
12:08.20 | PerfDave | husein: If you're compiling other software, you just need "make install", but first: /msg dpkg usrlocal |
12:08.21 | robin_sz | PerfDave: you are klortho in disguise and I calim my free pint |
12:08.44 | tchino | simonrvn: but with which version of debian, you can get kde3.4 |
12:08.51 | husein | SiliconViper, ok. so. make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && make install ? |
12:08.53 | t0ffel | ok, so I need to boot the cd to see the choices. well thanks |
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12:09.13 | simonrvn | tchino: you don't. for the second time |
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12:09.33 | PerfDave | husein: Using make-kpkg will make your life easier and avoid you screwing up your system ;) |
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12:09.59 | tchino | simonrvn: ok, i understand, SiliconViper gives the url of sid, but that is wrong |
12:10.02 | husein | PerfDave, using it.....instead all i have said before? |
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12:10.14 | Huahua | yes |
12:10.19 | SiliconViper | husein, listen to PerfDave, he knows what he is talking about, and can save you much pain. |
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12:10.36 | SiliconViper | tchino, <SiliconViper> Those links I posted were in response to saintiss's questions about sid ftp browsing. |
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12:11.04 | ralf | Ciao! |
12:11.05 | tchino | SiliconViper: ok |
12:11.17 | SiliconViper | See you later, ralf |
12:11.20 | husein | PerfDave, now i have done make dep && make clean && make bzImage. Now is time to make kpkg? |
12:11.27 | SiliconViper | >_< |
12:12.18 | Noid_ | husein: make-kpkg is used *instead* of those commands |
12:12.27 | tchino | SiliconViper: where can i write a mesage about an error in a gimp-package |
12:12.28 | husein | ok |
12:12.30 | resiak | simonrvn: I think you mean "/me gently slams his head on the kbd, asdkio aewfof djkhsd ". |
12:12.42 | ralf | Silensius: ? |
12:12.49 | simonrvn | resiak: hehe. or |
12:12.53 | takatumi | simonrvn: why are you holding back? harder, harder, faster, faster. |
12:12.55 | simonrvn | 7~6~76~76667~67~ |
12:12.59 | Silensius | Yes Ralf |
12:13.03 | SiliconViper | !tell husein about kp mantra |
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12:13.16 | simonrvn | takatumi: ... |
12:13.20 | Huahua | hi Penix |
12:13.22 | simonrvn | Penix: wenas |
12:13.25 | ralf | Silensius: why? |
12:13.30 | resiak | simonrvn: Heheh. |
12:13.32 | Penix | wenas |
12:13.41 | Silensius | Why for what ??? |
12:13.50 | ralf | why see you later |
12:14.04 | SiliconViper | tchino, Well, let's see.... do I maintain gimp? or any of it's associated packages? *checks list*... nope! |
12:14.17 | ralf | [13:11:21] <SiliconViper> See you later, ralf |
12:14.18 | Silensius | i'm coming just from turkey |
12:14.28 | SiliconViper | tchino, I would suggest first determining that it is in fact a package error, and not just your system. |
12:14.31 | ralf | Silensius: sorry, it was for SiliconViper |
12:14.52 | ralf | damn TAB |
12:14.54 | ralf | :P |
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12:15.16 | SiliconViper | ralf: Don't mind me, I'm just a bit crazy. |
12:15.20 | Silensius | ;) |
12:15.29 | ralf | SiliconViper: ok :P |
12:16.13 | SiliconViper | tchino, Now, I don't get those errors with PNGs, on my machine. I haven't tried with GIFs, but that's because I have a moral opposition to them. |
12:16.56 | tchino | SiliconViper: when i edit png-picture in gimp, i get the message: Prozedur 'gimp_image_set_colormap' not found, on earlier versions, i have not problems with that |
12:17.02 | SiliconViper | tchino, so... this leads me to assume it in fact, *not* a bug, but rather something strange in your setup. |
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12:17.36 | Penix | cartoon network's adult swim should be distributed on dvd with a free vile of pcp |
12:18.03 | Penix | well, the australian version anyway |
12:18.04 | shadebob | hi, i have installed a samba printer but when I install it in a win98 client it ask me for a password : |
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12:18.33 | tchino | SiliconViper: where can i show the message of the prompt, which will create when i opned this png-picture |
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12:19.38 | tchino | SiliconViper: look in #flood |
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12:20.35 | tchino | SiliconViper: do you look there? |
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12:22.14 | simonrvn | there's a new gtk in... |
12:22.23 | SiliconViper | Thousands of people, maybe more, edit PNGs every day, with GIMP. You'd think one of them would have noticed it? |
12:22.48 | possie_ | is it possible to tail multiple files at once? |
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12:23.05 | directhex|work | !directhexsmite simonrvn |
12:23.13 | simonrvn | hey |
12:23.26 | tchino | SiliconViper: no, i have edit it before with a aerlier version of gimp, and nothing happens, but now, where upgrade my system, it comes those message by gimp |
12:23.28 | simonrvn | don't make me come over there ;p |
12:23.45 | jm_ | possie: what does the man page say? |
12:24.07 | tchino | SiliconViper: can i send you one of my pictures, and test you with your gimp, which version do you have? |
12:24.23 | Penix | or, what does tail /foo/bar /bar/foo say |
12:24.31 | SiliconViper | GIMP version 2.2.3 |
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12:25.11 | simonrvn | works here |
12:25.32 | possie_ | jm_: indeed stupid me, |
12:25.38 | simonrvn | forumslogo.png, and it's got an alpha channel, etc. |
12:26.05 | tchino | SiliconViper: i have gimp 2.0.6, you have the picture, can you opened it, by me, it is black |
12:26.09 | simonrvn | gotta love 2.2, really nice |
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12:26.37 | SiliconViper | It is fine, for me. |
12:26.41 | SiliconViper | A circular logo. |
12:27.17 | SiliconViper | PBC Frankenberg 1988 E.V. |
12:27.23 | PerfDave | Huahua: No, you use make-kpkg *instead* of make dep and all that, it does it all for you |
12:27.27 | PerfDave | Argh |
12:27.28 | tchino | see you, something is wrong by me |
12:27.31 | PerfDave | husein: No, you use make-kpkg *instead* of make dep and all that, it does it all for you |
12:27.47 | simonrvn | .!tell PerfDave about repeat ;p |
12:27.50 | SiliconViper | tchino, good thing you didn't send a bug report, isn't it? |
12:28.04 | PerfDave | SiliconViper: It's just as well I wasn't repeating then ;) |
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12:29.02 | SiliconViper | PerfDave, What did I do now? |
12:29.02 | tchino | SiliconViper: how can i do it, i go to the internet by my server, the gimp runs on my client |
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12:29.51 | tgtf | SiliconViper, I run jigdu on a downloaded woody image that I had problem burning and get a "jigdu-file failed with code 3 - aborting " error. Now what??!!! |
12:29.59 | SiliconViper | O_o |
12:30.00 | SiliconViper | Ouch. |
12:30.15 | SiliconViper | If I knew what Code 3 was, I might be useful. |
12:30.23 | tgtf | oh |
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12:31.27 | SiliconViper | That's almost as useful as those crazy 'illegal operation' errors in Win32. |
12:31.55 | SiliconViper | Ah, back when I used that silly excuse for an OS... |
12:32.12 | SiliconViper | Ouch.... that's flamebait. |
12:32.26 | vulture | SiliconViper: man kill, look for code 3.. |
12:32.39 | vulture | that's probably the code it is refering to, whatever 'it' is.. |
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12:33.50 | SiliconViper | http://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html/usr/share/man/man1/kill.1.gz <-- doesn't say much, does it? |
12:34.19 | possie_ | how could i list everyting that is in a TDB database? |
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12:34.20 | vulture | SiliconViper: says signal 3 is QUIT, there you go :) |
12:34.38 | vulture | SiliconViper: the application might have a more specific reason to exit from that signal |
12:35.00 | vulture | but chances are that's the sort of thing that would have had to have been sent to the app explicitly, |
12:35.02 | tchino | SiliconViper: how can i do a bug report |
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12:35.33 | takatumi | lyx takes around 10-15 seconds to render to dvi, is this normal? (for e.g. the introdcution under the help menu) |
12:36.10 | takatumi | this is only the first time though. |
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12:36.55 | SiliconViper | tchino, what do you need to bug report? |
12:36.58 | SiliconViper | !report bug |
12:36.58 | dpkg | i guess report bug is a good thing to do, as long as you make sure that it actually *is* a bug, and not some oddity in your configuration. Try and get a few people to reproduce the problem, on their boxen, to prove the existance of the bug, independant from your system. |
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12:39.08 | SiliconViper | vulture, I suppose that could be what it meant. I usually assume that if it says one thing (code 3), it means that, and not something else (signal 3), but I could be wrong, and your idea totally makes sense. |
12:39.11 | dennis_ | hello |
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12:40.51 | tchino | SiliconViper: help |
12:41.00 | ncsu | this is a little off topic but hard to find anywhere, does anyone know how google doubled its index almost overnight |
12:41.06 | tchino | i want do a bug-report with the gimp-message |
12:41.12 | dennis_ | can anyone tell me how i would install just one or two packages from unstable into sarge? |
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12:41.50 | directhex|work | !tell dennis_ about quick sid/sarge mix |
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12:42.06 | SiliconViper | tchino, it isn't a bug. |
12:42.15 | SiliconViper | !tell tchino about report bug |
12:43.06 | dennis_ | directhex|work, thanks mate i think that will do it :) |
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12:43.41 | dpkg | 'pingouin' is 0.000% lame, pingouin_ |
12:43.46 | pingouin_ | ouf.. |
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12:44.40 | saerdna | i ve managed to install my webcam successfull as a v4l device, now wich is the best program to capture images from it with? |
12:45.13 | pingouin_ | camstream |
12:45.17 | pingouin_ | xawtv |
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12:45.56 | saerdna | i dont have x installed |
12:46.01 | saerdna | its a webbserver |
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12:46.11 | saintiss | hi... it seems that for the eagle-usb driver, only a *source* package for the module is available.. why hasn't the package been precompiled? |
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12:46.39 | directhex|work | saintiss, because it needs to be compiled against a particular kernel, but isn't part of the linux source? |
12:46.41 | SiliconViper | saintiss, is it in the non-free repository? |
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12:46.49 | visik7 | hi |
12:46.57 | visik7 | I've a problem with start-stop-daemon |
12:47.01 | SiliconViper | Oh? |
12:47.06 | SiliconViper | Do tell. |
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12:47.22 | visik7 | if I run start-stop-daemon with |
12:47.31 | visik7 | -m -p /var/run/freepops.pid -r /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/ |
12:47.41 | shadebob | I have a message "access denied" with samba on a windows 98 machine? how can I allow all users to use shares without password |
12:47.46 | visik7 | it writes the pidfile into /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/var/run/freepops.pid |
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12:48.16 | visik7 | instead of /var/run/freepops.pid |
12:48.16 | SiliconViper | visik7, that's what happens when you chroot things. |
12:48.21 | visik7 | yes but |
12:48.26 | saintiss | SiliconViper: no, it's just in sarge afacs |
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12:48.39 | saintiss | directhex|work: that's true, but it could have been precompiled against the default kernel, no? |
12:48.43 | visik7 | the pid is generated by start-stop-daemon not by my daemon |
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12:48.48 | SiliconViper | saintiss, sarge/main? sarge/contrib? sarge/non-free? |
12:49.02 | saerdna | <PROTECTED> |
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12:49.14 | saintiss | SiliconViper: sarge/main |
12:49.17 | ningo | nolan, never |
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12:49.23 | ningo | *no |
12:49.29 | directhex|work | saintiss, when that happens, it gets out of synch, and then problems appear. best option is to apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r), then use m-a |
12:49.29 | ningo | like 1000 years or so |
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12:49.38 | SiliconViper | visik7, http://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?query=start-stop-daemon |
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12:49.53 | SiliconViper | visik7 |
12:49.54 | SiliconViper | -r|--chroot root |
12:49.54 | SiliconViper | <PROTECTED> |
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12:50.04 | saintiss | directhex|work: I believe that, but I need the package to get online, so I have to do everything manual until then |
12:50.11 | saintiss | (I'm in a different distro atm) |
12:50.16 | visik7 | btw SiliconViper I should kill the process using start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet -p |
12:50.18 | visik7 | sorry |
12:50.21 | visik7 | btw SiliconViper I should kill the process using start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet -p /var/run/freepops.pid -r /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/ |
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12:50.22 | visik7 | no ? |
12:50.32 | visik7 | but if I run that command |
12:51.23 | visik7 | it look for /var/run/freepops.pid in the real /var/run/ not in /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/var/run/ |
12:51.26 | SiliconViper | You should kill withl.... start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet -p /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/var/run/freepops.pid |
12:51.42 | SiliconViper | Yes, that is correct, visik7. |
12:51.47 | visik7 | ah |
12:51.57 | SiliconViper | *with |
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12:52.05 | feistel | hi |
12:52.09 | feistel | i am newbie in debian |
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12:52.39 | SiliconViper | Because it does not chroot before *reading* the file, for the stop operation, since the stop does not use a chroot. |
12:52.58 | SiliconViper | feistel, we all are newbies at something. |
12:53.15 | feistel | yes, but i am learning about apt-get |
12:53.38 | SiliconViper | That's okay. |
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12:54.01 | SiliconViper | !tell feistel about newbie |
12:54.04 | feistel | how i can list the packages on my debian, i am searching for qmail configuration files |
12:54.04 | Raffas | hi! does anybody have an ibm x335 optimized 2.6 .config available? |
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12:54.20 | SiliconViper | feistel, dpkg --get-selections |
12:54.28 | feistel | thanks |
12:54.37 | SiliconViper | That lists packages. |
12:54.42 | SiliconViper | Not 'files'. |
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13:01.29 | Raffas | guess nobody here uses x335 ... |
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13:01.54 | Phated | The config files are likely as not in /etc/qmail or something similar. |
13:02.17 | idnar | they're in /var/qmail/control |
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13:03.03 | lilalinux | hey guys |
13:03.20 | lilalinux | where can i get a specific version of a deb from? |
13:03.25 | idnar | since not everyone implements the FHS properly, DJB figured he'd just stick everything in his own hierarchy in /var/qmail |
13:03.28 | lilalinux | don't want to install it via apt |
13:03.33 | Gathond | lilalinux: debian.org |
13:03.39 | jm_ | lilalinux: s.d.n |
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13:05.56 | erikh | hi folks, does anyone remember when the 'hostname' binary added the '-s' option in linux? I'm trying to keep a script portable, and I distinctly remember this not existing ~ a year ago. |
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13:07.04 | Barenzungen | erikh, 1996 Jan 28 |
13:07.09 | asdf_ | doh. |
13:07.20 | Barenzungen | Hi asdf_ :-) |
13:07.21 | erikh | Barenzungen: 1996?! |
13:07.44 | asdf_ | Barenzungen, i am buzz lightyear, i come in peace! |
13:07.55 | erikh | asdf_: heh |
13:08.04 | Barenzungen | erikh, My hostname manpage is from 1996 Jan 28 |
13:08.06 | Barenzungen | And it has -s |
13:08.40 | erikh | Barenzungen: ... that doesn't mean much, but ok! :) |
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13:08.57 | SiliconViper | erikh, read the changelog. |
13:09.03 | SiliconViper | That's the best I can suggest. |
13:09.06 | erikh | SiliconViper: fair enough. |
13:09.14 | erikh | alright, I will stop annoying you guys now - thanks for the help. |
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13:09.31 | asdf_ | sheesh, how annoying. |
13:09.44 | Barenzungen | erikh, http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=hostname&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Red+Hat+Linux%2Fi386+4.2&format=html |
13:09.48 | SiliconViper | Well, my two hours of service are up for the night, and things seem to be quiet around here. |
13:09.56 | Barenzungen | Look, RedHat 4.2 had it too |
13:10.05 | SiliconViper | I guess 5am is a good time to sleep. |
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13:13.01 | runa | hey :) Im looking for a command line client for MS-SQL. Any ideas? |
13:13.13 | penta | does anybody knwo why do you get this Cannot rename new quotafile //aquota.user.new to name //aquota.user: Operation not permitted ??? |
13:13.27 | SiliconViper | runa: mysql |
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13:13.40 | SiliconViper | mysqladmin handles the other part. |
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13:14.50 | runa | SiliconViper: MS SQL, not mysql |
13:14.55 | SiliconViper | OH! |
13:14.57 | SiliconViper | Sorry. |
13:15.00 | SiliconViper | No clue. |
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13:15.07 | runa | SiliconViper: :) |
13:15.10 | SiliconViper | ;p |
13:15.10 | jm_ | sqsh - commandline SQL client for MS SQL and Sybase servers |
13:15.13 | d22 | how do I sayin cron 10 mins after midnight? |
13:15.22 | d22 | everyday f course;P |
13:15.25 | jm_ | d22: man 7 crontab |
13:15.34 | jm_ | ehh man 5 crontab |
13:15.40 | d22 | jm_ I know how to man, I dont know how to write it |
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13:15.49 | d22 | tried some and its not starting |
13:15.53 | jm_ | d22: read the page |
13:15.57 | SiliconViper | d22: http://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?5+crontab |
13:16.04 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: You ok, I saw some of that shit? |
13:16.15 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: indeed |
13:16.16 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Which? |
13:16.19 | supaman | d22: the crontab has some examples you can use ... |
13:16.28 | ricky_clarkson | Phated: d-o |
13:16.31 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: let's talk about tolkien |
13:16.40 | SiliconViper | Anyways, sleep for me. |
13:16.42 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: No, he sucks. |
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13:16.48 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Except for "The Hobbit". |
13:16.49 | Phated | ricky_clarkson: Pft. |
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13:17.43 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: well, the hobbit _is_ more closely-knit than lotr. but then again, i kinda prefer the First and Second Age in the silmarillion und unfinished tales, anyway |
13:17.43 | Indal | eh if there's 4 cpu's i.e. processor: 0 processor: 1 etc in /proc/cpuinfo would that indicate 4 processors |
13:18.08 | Indal | 0 being the first of the 4 of course |
13:18.18 | vulture | Indal: or hyperthreading of some kind, |
13:18.19 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I've read one book and seen one film, so I feel very qualified to say that it's all shit except The Hobbit. |
13:18.29 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: heh, fair enough |
13:18.39 | Indal | vulture ahh |
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13:19.17 | paulswm | :( |
13:19.28 | Weems | i removed rhythmbox and i still get: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
13:19.40 | Coke | I'm looking for bugs on the C++ preprocessor. I try to compile libsidplay2 and it claims /lib/cpp fails the sanity check. I use cpp (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5) and libsidplay2 doesn't seem to claim it needs any specific version. What is wrong here? |
13:19.52 | Coke | Btw, I didn't find any reported bugs related to this at all. |
13:19.53 | supaman | Weems: and have you tried it? |
13:20.04 | directhex|work | !b-e Coke |
13:20.08 | dpkg | Coke: Sounds like you need to install build-essential. |
13:20.19 | ricky_clarkson | !b-o sussudio |
13:20.19 | Coke | directhex|work: why? |
13:20.21 | dpkg | sussudio: You smell. |
13:20.25 | ricky_clarkson | Haha. |
13:20.28 | azreal | ricky_clarkson: im ready to listen to you tell a better story than tolkien. |
13:20.40 | ricky_clarkson | azreal: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/lisa.txt |
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13:21.01 | Coke | directhex|work: the configure script croaks on the cpp sanity check. It refers to /lib/cpp which is linked to /usr/bin/cpp-3.3. What is in b-e that I need? |
13:21.08 | Indal | hmm how can i see if multi-threading is enabled in the kernel? |
13:21.17 | Indal | erm hyperthreading even sorry |
13:21.19 | ricky_clarkson | azreal: My objection is the linear obvious nature of the storyline. Much like Animal Farm's. |
13:21.27 | Weems | supaman: yeah |
13:21.33 | directhex|work | Coke, which exact package? i don't know. which is _WHY_ the build-essential package exists |
13:21.44 | Coke | directhex|work: oh. the actual C++ compiler... why the heck doesn't cpp depend on this package? |
13:21.54 | supaman | Weems: and what did that one give you (any errors or anything)? |
13:22.01 | vulture | Coke: cpp is the C PreProcessor |
13:22.04 | directhex|work | Coke, because you might want to pre-process on another machine? |
13:22.10 | vulture | it's got no reason to depend on C++ anything |
13:22.25 | directhex|work | Coke, if you want to build, what is your damn problem with installing build-essential? that's what it's there for |
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13:22.28 | saerdna | riverton |
13:22.30 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: cpp is for C, not C++ |
13:22.34 | vulture | and some other apps use the CPP to preprocess config files and whatnot |
13:22.37 | RichiH | azreal: i have to admit ricky_clarkson is right about the linearity of the story. his major achievements lie in being the first to do this kind of thing and devoting that much time into the details, imho |
13:22.48 | saerdna | :OOOOOOOOOOO |
13:22.48 | alejandro_ | I'm trying to burn a dvd with k3b but it complains about growisofs althou I have it in /usr/bin. Has any1 the same problem? |
13:23.01 | RichiH | azreal: george r r martin makes for much more differenced reading, for example |
13:23.17 | valdyn_ | alejandro_: you are trying to run k3b w/ sudo ? |
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13:23.24 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: CPP is the C preprocessor, it's for anything that needs the C preprocessor, including C++ compilers (#includes, etc..) and some other apps that aren't even for compiled languages (some apps run their config files through the cpp) |
13:23.24 | d22 | jm_ midnight in cron is 0? or 24? |
13:23.25 | alejandro_ | vagrant, yes |
13:23.39 | Coke | directhex|work: my problem is that the configure script only refered to /lib/cpp in the error message which basically has nothing to do with g++. |
13:23.44 | idnar | George R R Martin rocks |
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13:23.50 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: That doesn't conflict with what I said. |
13:23.54 | ricky_clarkson | !tfti vulture |
13:23.58 | azreal | ricky_clarkson: lol, ok i was reading it, but trying to follow |
13:23.59 | valdyn_ | alejandro_: that does not work - try su or sux |
13:24.10 | ricky_clarkson | !tfti $1 is <reply>Thanks For The Info, $1! |
13:24.10 | dpkg | okay, ricky_clarkson |
13:24.12 | alejandro_ | valdyn_, ok |
13:24.13 | ricky_clarkson | !tfti vulture |
13:24.14 | dpkg | Thanks For The Info, vulture! |
13:24.16 | directhex|work | Coke, are you building things? |
13:24.22 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: yes it does. so far as I read what you said it read something like "cpp is not for C++" |
13:24.26 | alejandro_ | !tfti valdyn_ |
13:24.27 | dpkg | Thanks For The Info, valdyn_! |
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13:24.33 | vulture | which seems false to me |
13:24.40 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: I said "cpp is for C". |
13:24.50 | Coke | directhex|work: yes, and I was unaware that there was a package convenient enough to include all the build essentials. |
13:24.53 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: seems azreal really is, yeah |
13:24.56 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: "not C++", how else is that second clause to be interpreted? |
13:25.03 | d22 | 10 0 * * * myscript.sh, could someone tell me if my crontab is correct, I need to run it 10 mins after midnight, everyday... |
13:25.05 | vulture | other than to mean that "cpp is not for C++" |
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13:25.13 | wishy | Does anyone know of a good stable backport of python 2.3 for Woody? |
13:25.21 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: I could add "but you can use it for other programming languages too". |
13:25.33 | ricky_clarkson | s/programming // |
13:25.58 | ricky_clarkson | d22: Looks ok to me. |
13:25.58 | vulture | ricky_clarkson: yet you said "not C++" as though cpp is not for C++, I suppose for some odd use of the word "for" it makes sense, but ok then |
13:26.01 | azreal | i do prefer the hobbit over the other lotr books though. |
13:26.03 | d22 | ok thanks |
13:26.11 | jm_ | d22: man page says: hour 0-23 |
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13:27.09 | ricky_clarkson | vulture: I didn't mean to address you, sorry. I merely meant that cpp is mainly used for C, and I should have said so. |
13:27.14 | alejandro_ | valdyn_, is working now :) |
13:27.16 | alejandro_ | thanks |
13:27.29 | macondo | i am using sarge, after doing my daily update/dist-upgrade, i got a message saying that some of the pine packages built from source are out of date. It tells me to run a couple of commands in a scratch directory. i understand everything EXCEPT the 'scrtatch directory' what do they mean? |
13:27.37 | greycat | strangely enough, cpp is also used for parsing X resources |
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13:28.05 | ricky_clarkson | Debian: Hiding C from Linux users everywhere! |
13:28.10 | greycat | macondo: mkdir /tmp/scratch |
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13:28.42 | ricky_clarkson | /ban StarOfDeath |
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13:29.05 | macondo | graycat: once i do that, do i navigate to that dir and do what? |
13:29.32 | greycat | macondo: whatever needs doing, according to the instructions, I guess. |
13:29.58 | macondo | greycat: is it possible to run commands in that directiory? |
13:30.15 | greycat | macondo: perhaps you would be better off switching away from pine, in the long run, |
13:30.19 | greycat | s/,$/./ |
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13:31.20 | macondo | greycat, i have thought of that, but mutt is a bitch to configure, i have tried it before, the man sucks |
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13:31.43 | jm_ | macondo: no it's not, there's also manual.txt.gz |
13:31.55 | jm_ | and web-based config file generators for it |
13:32.00 | Phated | Mutt isn't hard to configure. The manpage for the config is... really detailed, to say the least. |
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13:32.21 | greycat | and there are lots of examples out there |
13:32.23 | vulture | heck, my .muttrc is tiny.. nothing magical by any means, but functional |
13:32.27 | greycat | and you can read the manual by pressing <F1> |
13:32.30 | vulture | 11 .muttrc |
13:32.30 | macondo | where are those 'web config generators? |
13:32.46 | si|vercat | is there a keyboard shortcut to take a screenshot? |
13:32.57 | scarynetworkguy | http://www.dotfiles.com has some very cool examples. |
13:33.03 | xelam | si|vercat: printscreen ;) |
13:33.18 | macondo | scarynetworkguy, you talking to me? |
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13:33.27 | greycat | si|vercat: there can be if you create one. |
13:33.43 | scarynetworkguy | macondo: Yeah. I guess. |
13:34.14 | drac | si|vercat: import -window root screenshot.jpg |
13:34.17 | macondo | thank you |
13:34.46 | drac | that's quick enough |
13:35.17 | tatoo | how can i copy and paste my desktop to a file?? i wanna save it to a .jpg file... |
13:35.28 | scarynetworkguy | tatoo: scrot |
13:35.44 | Phated | And imagemagick if you want to convert to jpg. |
13:35.48 | scarynetworkguy | Well it's a png but same thing. |
13:36.22 | tatoo | scarynetworkguy: scottfree what i was found here... |
13:36.43 | scarynetworkguy | !confuse tatoo |
13:36.44 | dpkg | Yes, who is their weasel today, tatoo? trousers of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
13:36.58 | tatoo | scarynetworkguy: apt-cache search scrot |
13:37.06 | greycat | tatoo: /msg dpkg screen shot |
13:37.08 | jm_ | tatoo: /msg dpkg screenshot |
13:37.25 | tatoo | shot or scrot?? |
13:37.26 | jair_11 | anyone here have been used freeNX server and client? |
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13:38.05 | scarynetworkguy | tatoo: scrot apt-get install scrot should do it nicely. |
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13:38.36 | tatoo | scarynetworkguy: got it man..thanks again. |
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13:39.42 | ricky_clarkson | azreal: Enjoyed? |
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13:41.02 | sphyenx | hello, is any one around? |
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13:41.20 | pingouin_ | sphyenx: no we are all alone |
13:41.21 | supaman | maby |
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13:41.46 | sphyenx | well if so, im running knoppix 3.7 atm, every time i install debian, it seems to fail when i run startx. On loading perephials. |
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13:42.20 | sphyenx | I need a distro on the .deb, because its the only one that runs smootly for me. Also it seems that knoppix has no security. Thats why i look to Debian. |
13:42.36 | swatikiss | what does your log say? |
13:42.40 | sphyenx | They arw both built on the same kernal, thats why i made this descicion. |
13:42.43 | sphyenx | does any know know? |
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13:43.02 | sphyenx | the last thing is the mouse, but i doubt its the mose. |
13:43.04 | sphyenx | mouse' |
13:43.05 | jm_ | sphen;that's KDE stuff, try #debian-kde or #kde |
13:43.13 | jm_ | sphyenx ^^^^^^ |
13:43.35 | sphyenx | ok |
13:43.46 | swatikiss | what does your log say? |
13:43.52 | swatikiss | oops - sry |
13:43.53 | sphyenx | failed to load mouse |
13:43.56 | sphyenx | on startx |
13:44.04 | pingouin_ | sphyenx: woody ? sarge ? what's the graphic card ? |
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13:44.25 | sphyenx | whats the command to reconfigure, i tried the config startx |
13:44.33 | sphyenx | its a radeon 7000 |
13:44.45 | pingouin_ | i quit |
13:44.53 | pingouin_ | dont kknow ati |
13:45.02 | sphyenx | its all good. |
13:45.10 | pingouin_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
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13:45.31 | visik7 | SiliconViper ok solved the behaviour of start-stop-daemon is different from woody to sid |
13:45.35 | pingouin_ | sphyenx: very bab memory from ati card for me, so i avoid now |
13:45.43 | pingouin_ | s/bab/bad |
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13:45.51 | visik7 | so the script was test on a sid an than used on a woody |
13:45.58 | sphyenx | its all good, thaNKS for your help guys, ill use that command. |
13:46.04 | war00 | Small issue with Sarge and two NICs, it does not initialize the second network card, I have added it to /etc/network/interfaces, but when I /etc/init.d/networking restart, it only resets the first NIC and never touches the second NIC, anyone know why? |
13:46.16 | SiliconViper | visik7, awesome. |
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13:46.34 | SiliconViper | visik7, now, I'm sleeping. Please let me be. -_- |
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13:47.33 | greycat | war00: you probably forgot the "auto eth1" |
13:47.39 | war00 | I have that, thats the weird part. |
13:47.56 | war00 | its the same as the first entry except diff ips, at home I Have 4 nics in a box, no problems.. |
13:48.07 | war00 | not sure why it is not initiliazing this card |
13:49.37 | war00 | any ideas? |
13:49.49 | war00 | it resets eth0 but not eth1 |
13:49.55 | war00 | (also does not set it up upon bootup) |
13:50.24 | greycat | put your interfaces file on a web site somewhere so we can see it with empty lines intact. |
13:50.37 | war00 | ok, sec |
13:50.58 | jm_ | war00: /msg dpkg paste |
13:51.10 | war00 | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/eAIjud54.html |
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13:51.23 | war00 | ignore the comment, but you see it looks setup right, yes? |
13:51.50 | greycat | yeah, looks right |
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13:51.58 | nostromo^ | are debian packages that i download from official debian mirrors signed by the developers? (and are automatically checked against some built-in keystore in dpkg/apt)? |
13:52.04 | greycat | are you sure "eth1" exists? that the driver is being loaded properly? |
13:52.07 | war00 | When I networking restart, all I get is this -> e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex |
13:52.12 | war00 | greycat yeah, its compiled into the kernel |
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13:52.56 | orchid | are they the same model cards? |
13:52.57 | greycat | how about "ifup -a"? |
13:53.07 | war00 | orchid- nope, 1=intel other=netgear |
13:53.21 | klara | hello my qmail deamon won't stop with /etc/init.d/qmail stop. Therefore I want to kill it. How could I do this ? |
13:53.21 | war00 | ifup -a is = ifup: interface eth1 already configured |
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13:53.31 | war00 | but when I reboot/etc, it does not *configure* the interface |
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13:54.10 | supaman | klara: use the kill -9 pid (get the pid from ps -A | grep qmail) |
13:54.11 | setuid | Anyone know how do I get OFF of the Debian bugtracker's email responder? |
13:54.30 | greycat | supaman: NEVER use -9. |
13:54.45 | jm_ | war00: check /etc/network/ifstate |
13:54.53 | theJackal | i always use -9 :_ |
13:54.54 | greycat | klara: you're probably running it from daemontools, so it respawns when you kill it by hand, but "svc -d /service/whatever" ought to work.... |
13:54.56 | supaman | greycat: why not? |
13:55.06 | caphuso | !kill-9 |
13:55.06 | dpkg | i heard kill-9 is do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
13:55.07 | greycat | supaman: because it's like using a bazooka to kill a fly in your kitchen |
13:55.12 | simonrvn | ugh. -9 is like last resort never use it 'cause it'll fuck shit up, and you don't want that, trust me, kind of Bad Thing |
13:55.44 | supaman | ahaaa ... good to know |
13:56.20 | war00 | jm_ it is there |
13:56.27 | war00 | jnm_; eth1=eth1, hrmm |
13:56.30 | jm_ | war00: yes, sure |
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13:58.52 | OleMoudi | mp3 is not open source, is it? |
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13:59.10 | valdyn_ | OleMoudi: mp3 is not source at all |
13:59.24 | directhex|work | OleMoudi, the mp3 codec is patented, if that's what you mean |
13:59.36 | directhex|work | OleMoudi, there are open-source implementations of mp3 though |
13:59.44 | theJackal | DITCH MP3 - SWITCH TO OGG |
13:59.52 | directhex|work | ogg is a container format |
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14:00.02 | Delph | theJackal: 'vorbis' is what you mean, i think. |
14:00.04 | OleMoudi | ok, thanks for the info directhex|work |
14:00.08 | directhex|work | and it's Ogg not OGG |
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14:00.21 | theJackal | shh.. quite you... |
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14:00.25 | theJackal | quiet* |
14:00.25 | aizak | i cannot seem to get my windows key to get mapped. on xev it shows to have 0x0 value, my XF86Config-4 says i have a pc107 us keyboard... so how can i get my Super_L(windows key) to my xmodmap list |
14:00.44 | theJackal | xev wont do it unless its mapped at the kernel |
14:01.08 | theJackal | you need to do this with showkey to detect the real keycode |
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14:01.50 | theJackal | anybody gonna finish off for me? |
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14:02.00 | klon | I have just done a net install of debian and it now mounts the file system is read-only any one know what is wrong ? |
14:02.21 | theJackal | try mount / -o remount.,rw |
14:02.32 | theJackal | erm, without the DOT |
14:02.43 | theJackal | but with the comma |
14:02.51 | klon | says file system is busy |
14:03.22 | theJackal | oh!.. your browsing your cdrom XD |
14:03.42 | klon | no |
14:03.47 | theJackal | hmm.... |
14:03.59 | klon | this is my windows box, its / that gets mounted read-only |
14:04.07 | zinx | remount,rw should never say file system is busy |
14:04.16 | theJackal | er... huh? |
14:04.19 | zinx | what's the line you typed? |
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14:04.33 | klon | I shall be back in 5 mins as I try again then |
14:04.53 | theJackal | <PROTECTED> |
14:05.00 | theJackal | NOT windows |
14:05.05 | klon | mount -n -o remount,rw / |
14:05.17 | theJackal | why the n? |
14:05.20 | zinx | you don't need the -n, but it shouldn't hurt either |
14:05.23 | klon | theJackal; I mean Im on my windows box currently |
14:05.25 | theJackal | and the / has to proceed the -o |
14:05.34 | zinx | theJackal: no it doesn't |
14:05.39 | RichiH | theJackal: no |
14:05.40 | theJackal | well, atleast its good practise |
14:05.47 | zinx | if you do put the -n, 'mount' will say it's read-only, even though it isn't |
14:05.48 | klon | oh ok, my bad I shall try agin |
14:05.59 | war00 | not sure whats up but its working now, thx all |
14:05.59 | zinx | theJackal: with most programs, it's bad practice, since the options tend to modify what's after them, not what's before |
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14:06.10 | RichiH | theJackal: i think we could argue about the relative merrits for hours ;) |
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14:06.20 | RichiH | zinx: exactly |
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14:06.30 | RichiH | theJackal: think tar cjf foo bar |
14:06.30 | theJackal | i dont have the time tho sorry. its 3AM and i need my sleep (surprisingly) |
14:06.32 | RikClark | Greetings gentle gurus. Anyone know a link on how to set up a parallel port properly in debian sarge? I get 'parallel port not ready', 'printer not connected' and 'retrying in 30 seconds' when I try to print ever since aptitude and synaptic had a battle to upgrade my system this morning (what with those two anyway? why don't they get along?). A link: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1407646#post140 |
14:06.32 | RikClark | 7646 refers to fedora core. Would the details be the same for debian? Thanks. |
14:06.32 | [Granger] | hmm how do you remove a user from a group? |
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14:06.53 | [Granger] | well without obviously going in and editing /etc/group manually |
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14:07.11 | shadebob | someone use sambafax script with hylafax? |
14:07.11 | jm_ | [Granger]: man deluser |
14:07.37 | RikClark | I got those errors from the ipp report in kcontrol's CUPS config plugin. |
14:07.37 | greycat | personally, I'd go in and edit /etc/group manually |
14:07.48 | greycat | isn't that the easiest way? why would you make it harder? |
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14:08.11 | cast | anyone know a way i can use /dev/hdc [a cdr] with tar or pax directly? eg: pax -w -f /dev/hdc and have it work? i suspect it isnt possible |
14:08.21 | Delph | greycat: you might want to go as far as vigr =:) |
14:08.28 | legis | Where can i see the contents of disc-1 ? |
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14:08.47 | jethro | cast: dd if=/dev/hdc | tar czf foo.tgz - ? |
14:09.17 | Matta | is there a chan for debian developers or is this the one? |
14:09.17 | greycat | legis: *which* disc-1? |
14:09.26 | greycat | Matta: this is not it. |
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14:09.53 | Matta | ic, u know which one is for dev stuff? |
14:09.53 | shary | could i post a question about dpkg and gcc here or this is the wrong place? |
14:09.56 | cast | jethro: reading isnt a problem, i just cant write. kind of want /dev/hdc to behave like a tape drive [albeit a write once tape drive] |
14:10.14 | lawnchair | none of my cron jobs in /etc/cron.daily or even in crontab -l are running...the scripts are +x and crond is running |
14:10.21 | lawnchair | i dont know whats going on here |
14:10.26 | legis | greycat: The debian iso. |
14:10.26 | lawnchair | is there something els ei can check on |
14:10.30 | greycat | now i don no witch 1 iz teh devil room lol |
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14:10.47 | greycat | legis: WHICH ONE? woody? sarge? |
14:10.54 | valdyn_ | !tell shary about ask |
14:10.54 | jethro | cast: I m not sure whether you can do it, just try dd of=/dev/hdc and tell me :) |
14:11.05 | directhex|work | legis, i can thinks of about 30 debian disc 1's |
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14:11.21 | jm_ | cast: the same way you dump mkisofs output to cdrecord on stdout, but it's utterly stupid |
14:11.26 | jcook | anyone here got a debian kernel working on a SATA based box? |
14:11.32 | resiak | !anyone |
14:11.32 | dpkg | ***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do. |
14:11.34 | directhex|work | jcook, yes |
14:11.38 | greycat | !anyone use |
14:11.39 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
14:11.40 | directhex|work | jcook, let me guess. debian 3.0 (woody)? |
14:11.42 | cast | jm_: yeah, ive thought of that. i suppose that is what ill do |
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14:11.49 | legis | greycat: sarge-i386-1.iso |
14:11.50 | coachz | can anyone tell me the package that has nslookup ? |
14:11.54 | cast | pipe into cdrecord that is |
14:11.59 | resiak | coachz: apt-cache search nslookup |
14:11.59 | greycat | legis: sorry, I don't have sarge ls-R's. |
14:12.05 | valdyn_ | !tell coachz about search |
14:12.08 | jm_ | cast: the thing is though, you'll have to read it back with dd (proper amount of blocks) |
14:12.10 | jethro | coachz: nslookup is deprecated, go for dig or hoost |
14:12.11 | _rene_ | cast: use packages.debian.org, apt-file, apt-cache etc |
14:12.13 | jethro | host even |
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14:12.18 | coachz | thanks |
14:12.24 | cast | _rene_: for? |
14:12.27 | jcook | directhex|work: debian-installer/testing |
14:12.30 | lawnchair | wtf why isnt thsi shit running ,it makes no sense what so ever |
14:12.36 | resiak | cast: Tab-completion failed _rene_. |
14:12.41 | directhex|work | jcook, tried linux26 at the boot prompt? |
14:12.42 | coachz | apt-cache search dig returned about a hundred packages |
14:12.45 | jcook | directhex|work: it has 2.4 on it ... but I dont have physical access |
14:12.47 | greycat | !leading punctuation |
14:12.47 | dpkg | if your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion |
14:12.48 | RikClark | jcook: I've installed sarge on a 64 bit box with nvidia sata. It worked, but had constant error messages going to the console (easy to fix by nvidia IDE drivers or silencing syslog :) |
14:12.52 | legis | greycat: is not on the site right? |
14:12.53 | _rene_ | coachz: use packages.debian.org, apt-file, apt-cache etc |
14:12.57 | _rene_ | cast: sorry |
14:12.58 | lawnchair | !stfu |
14:12.58 | dpkg | it has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
14:13.03 | greycat | legis: download it, and then you will know. |
14:13.20 | legis | greycat: ok |
14:13.23 | jethro | http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
14:13.24 | jethro | oops |
14:13.28 | RichiH | what's the term when you visit a professor's lecture? |
14:13.34 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Attend |
14:13.34 | jcook | directhex|work: the chipset is ICH6R |
14:13.37 | shary | Ok i have recompiled the gcc-3.4, build a deb pack and installed, and i would like to use this as default compiler, but if i try to recompile the glibc they keep on using the gcc3.3, so is there a way to fix the base compiler? |
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14:13.41 | RikClark | jcook: The 2.6 kernel worked with the onboard nvidia hardware. 2.4 was less sucessful |
14:13.41 | spiekey | hi |
14:13.42 | jethro | sorry I m not yet awake and missed my cut/paste |
14:13.45 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: thanks |
14:13.53 | spiekey | i am getting the error: cangt locate module ppp0 |
14:14.01 | greycat | shary: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc* |
14:14.01 | spiekey | is ppp0 not a device?! |
14:14.08 | greycat | spiekey: no, it's an interface |
14:14.12 | jcook | RikClark: meh ... that's sounds amd based |
14:14.13 | legis | greycat: which one do you have the ls-R for? |
14:14.21 | RikClark | jcook: yep |
14:14.28 | greycat | !cd contents |
14:14.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7 |
14:14.32 | ricky_clarkson | greycat: With irssi I type ren<tab> and it makes _rene_ |
14:14.33 | spiekey | greycat: well, then an interface, but not a module |
14:14.35 | directhex|work | jcook, ich6 ought to be fine with a 2.6 kernel |
14:14.44 | RikClark | jcook: I will have to try the debian 64 port at some stage |
14:14.55 | legis | k |
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14:14.56 | shary | greycat: apt-get source -b libc6 dosen't care about gcc it look for the /usr/bin/gcc3.3 |
14:14.56 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: Are you trying to clone me? |
14:14.59 | directhex|work | jcook, nvidia nforce 5 is being released fairly soon for intel |
14:15.01 | jcook | directhex|work: will that be the sata driver or the ide driver ? |
14:15.03 | RikClark | no, honest |
14:15.11 | directhex|work | jcook, sata |
14:15.11 | jcook | directhex|work: noice |
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14:15.18 | jethro | ricky_clarkson: irssi über alles! |
14:15.22 | RikClark | ricky_clarkson: that's just my name :) |
14:15.26 | jcook | directhex|work: and that's already in the initrd ... I dont have to do that? |
14:15.31 | resiak | !coincidencesmite RikClark ricky_clarkson |
14:15.33 | ricky_clarkson | Mine too. |
14:15.35 | coachz | so what package has DIG ? |
14:15.35 | Skaag | how do I make a box that netboots run everything from a local drive? |
14:15.37 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: annoy RikClark |
14:15.43 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
14:15.49 | jethro | coachz: apt-cache search dig |
14:15.54 | coachz | jethro, didn't work |
14:16.05 | RikClark | I think FieldySnuts remembers me from my Krappix days |
14:16.17 | FieldySnuts | i don't remember anything from past a few days ago, doubt it |
14:16.17 | jcook | directhex|work: ata_piix ? |
14:16.19 | directhex|work | jcook, yes. |
14:16.29 | _rene_ | RikClark: you proably get more answers if you are friendly... |
14:16.30 | directhex|work | jcook, no, sorry |
14:16.33 | jcook | and sd_mod |
14:16.33 | _rene_ | GOD DAMNIT |
14:16.43 | _rene_ | ravenbird: you proably get more answers if you are friendly... |
14:16.43 | ravenbird | _rene_: de quoi tu parles? |
14:16.47 | directhex|work | jcook, yes it's in the initrd, no that's not the module you want |
14:16.49 | ricky_clarkson | !irrigate Egypt |
14:16.55 | RikClark | _rene_:I'm always friendly...ask my gran... |
14:16.57 | FieldySnuts | heh |
14:16.58 | resiak | _rene_: FTLOG, ravenbird is a bot. |
14:17.09 | _rene_ | oh, oops :) |
14:17.10 | FieldySnuts | ftlog? |
14:17.23 | resiak | !ftlog |
14:17.23 | dpkg | For The Love Of Guerin! |
14:17.25 | resiak | ^^ |
14:17.26 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate _rene_ |
14:17.28 | ravenbird | !irritate _rene_ |
14:17.28 | jcook | directhex|work: what module do i want? |
14:17.29 | dpkg | _rene_: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol |
14:17.48 | ricky_clarkson | When does Debian 7.4 come out? |
14:17.55 | FieldySnuts | heh |
14:17.55 | RikClark | hehe |
14:17.55 | valdyn_ | shary: why would _anyone_ recompile gcc-3.4 or libc6? |
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14:17.56 | resiak | Hahah. |
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14:18.12 | jcook | ricky_clarkson: when I get my wetwire implant |
14:18.18 | directhex|work | jcook, you know, i'm not too sure. intel haven't offered a competitive product in years, i haven't paid much attention |
14:18.23 | darkskiez | warez on debian? isnt that what non-free is in my sources.list ? |
14:18.27 | zinx | valdyn_: because they can make it go omg 0.001% faster if they compile with their own CFLAGS!! |
14:18.47 | directhex|work | gcc 3.4 is about 10-15% faster than 3.3 on some arches |
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14:18.50 | shary | not 0.001% if you use the right flags |
14:18.50 | jcook | directhex|work: huh ? ... is it libata ? |
14:18.52 | resiak | !gentoosmite dave |
14:18.54 | resiak | Uh. |
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14:19.09 | resiak | Sorry, dave. You apparently are more tab-completable than directhex|work. |
14:19.10 | shary | on the xeon thay are really faster |
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14:19.24 | mateo_ | hello |
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14:19.30 | FieldySnuts | wenas |
14:19.35 | mateo_ | I have a newbie question |
14:19.35 | FieldySnuts | how to make cable work |
14:19.45 | mateo_ | how can I create a partition with command-line ? |
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14:19.50 | jm_ | mateo_: man sfdisk |
14:19.52 | directhex|work | resiak, that's simply the way it is though. gcc 3.4 is MUCH faster for the arches it can optimise for, notably pentium m and amd64 |
14:19.54 | shary | valdyn_: have you got any suggestion on how to do it? |
14:19.58 | greycat | mateo_: or cfdisk or fdisk |
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14:20.04 | RikClark | anyone know about my parport issue please? Report due in in an hour :( |
14:20.05 | resiak | directhex|work: I believe you! |
14:20.13 | resiak | directhex|work: Now, shall I recompile my kernel with it... |
14:20.26 | directhex|work | resiak, debian amd64 kernels come pre-3.4'd |
14:20.29 | valdyn_ | shary: sure, look at how libc6 is built and modify the build to use gcc-3.4 |
14:20.38 | resiak | directhex|work: I have a pentium-m |
14:20.51 | coachz | What's the best small ISO to get to fix a hosed debian filesystem? Damn small linux, knoppix? |
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14:20.58 | valdyn_ | shary: start at debian/rules binary i guess, in the libc6 source |
14:21.04 | darkskiez | !gentoosmite Carl Lewis |
14:21.05 | jm_ | coachz: BBC Linux is also nice |
14:21.06 | directhex|work | resiak, you do? hm, i'd do kernel & libc6. maybe even x. |
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14:21.10 | shary | valdyn_: yeah i'm sure this would work, but i was asking if there is a way to instruct the dpkg to do it for me |
14:21.12 | valdyn_ | shary: err, just debian/rules |
14:21.13 | mateo_ | thanks |
14:21.15 | azreal | coachz: i like rip |
14:21.16 | suifur | coachz, i personally like gnoppix |
14:21.17 | Buckowsky | filhos de uma puta sem escrupulos |
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14:21.45 | valdyn_ | shary: there isn't, since the source seems to use gcc-3.3 explcitely |
14:22.05 | directhex|work | valdyn_, it's likely to use 'gcc' whihc is a symlink to gcc-3.3 |
14:22.12 | [Granger] | how do you check which process is opening a file? |
14:22.33 | RikClark | Maybe someone knows a channel that might know something about parallel ports? |
14:22.39 | valdyn_ | directhex|work: oh, i just repeated what shary said, i dont know libc6' build system |
14:22.43 | jm_ | [Granger]: /proc, lsof, fuser, LTT |
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14:22.51 | [Granger] | jm_: thanks |
14:23.04 | FieldySnuts | LTT? |
14:23.06 | greycat | what's LTT? |
14:23.14 | jm_ | Linux Trace Toolkit |
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14:24.58 | paulswm | Jeez, in meetings today all anyone wants to talk about is the Superbowl |
14:25.10 | paulswm | whoops, wrong channel |
14:25.12 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: Are you really the US Vice-President? |
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14:25.43 | pirving | help. I'm addicted to Debian |
14:25.51 | pirving | I need another distro. |
14:25.56 | directhex|work | take two doses of gentoo three times a day |
14:25.57 | Sho | Hss anyone ever run into a problem where an Alpha PWS 433/500/600 simply stops responding when attempting to boot the debian install when it does its PCI checks? |
14:25.57 | pirving | Xine is killing me |
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14:26.16 | greycat | pirving: /msg dpkg mplayer |
14:26.46 | pirving | #debadictsanon |
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14:27.26 | RikClark | ricky_clarkson: Yes, and we're watching you ;) |
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14:27.40 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: I always thought so. |
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14:28.07 | valdyn_ | shary: now that seemed easy, theres a line in debian/rules : BUILD_CC = gcc-3.3 |
14:28.48 | shary | valdyn_: yeah you're right |
14:29.21 | julesraves | I do you know if "novel client for linux" (kylix code) works with Debian? |
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14:30.36 | directhex|work | julesraves, i can't think why not, i'm sure i've run kylix apps under debian before |
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14:30.59 | npx | morning, etc |
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14:31.57 | julesraves | directhexIwork, thanks ! |
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14:32.28 | RikClark | Please can someone running a recently moo'ed sarge with a working parallel please paste relevant lines from their modprobe list in #flood |
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14:32.54 | ricky_clarkson | mooed? |
14:33.02 | chugga | greycat, hello |
14:33.12 | RikClark | apt-get moo |
14:33.18 | npx | RikClark, I have a really hard time understanding that, are you a native english speaker? |
14:33.26 | RikClark | Sorry, I mean recently upgraded |
14:33.41 | RikClark | erm...yeees... |
14:33.45 | RikClark | sorry |
14:33.45 | npx | shit. |
14:33.50 | ricky_clarkson | Probably American. |
14:34.01 | RikClark | UK_GB actually |
14:34.04 | zinx | RikClark: apt-get moo doesn't do anything except display some text |
14:34.09 | RikClark | i know |
14:34.10 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: Which bit? |
14:34.22 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: would you have time to go over a letter, for me? |
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14:34.25 | jm_ | RikClark: read parport.txt |
14:34.32 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: How big? |
14:34.44 | RikClark | nevermind then. Thanks jm_ |
14:34.48 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: 56 point ? |
14:34.50 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: not quite an A4 page |
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14:34.54 | RikClark | i'll read the txt |
14:34.54 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Yes. |
14:34.58 | RichiH | home.in.tum.de/~hartmanr/Application.sxw |
14:35.01 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: URL or ricky_clarkson@yahoo.com |
14:35.09 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: Which part of the UK are you in? |
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14:35.11 | ricky_clarkson | Oops. |
14:35.14 | RichiH | ricky_clarkson: munich |
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14:35.16 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: Which part of the UK are you in? |
14:35.25 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: That's one of the colonies, is it? ;) |
14:35.27 | RichiH | it's a very southern part of the uk ;) |
14:35.41 | caphuso | RichiH: we finally did it? we sold bavaria to some other country? yay for us! |
14:35.50 | jm_ | hehe |
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14:36.03 | ricky_clarkson | That's why the UK has a national debt. |
14:36.14 | loskazzo | i have a problem with my external firewire hard disk... Can you help me? thanks |
14:36.16 | RikClark | ricky_clarkson: The south (Reading), but I'm from the north (Manchester!) |
14:36.19 | RichiH | caphuso: yah. now your GDP is about halfed |
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14:36.22 | ricky_clarkson | We probably bought Turkey too. |
14:36.25 | chugga | greycat, just wondering .. are you the author of KGuitar? |
14:36.32 | RichiH | caphuso: i have to say i can't stand our gvt either, though |
14:36.33 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: I live in Rusholme. |
14:36.35 | PerfDave | See? RikClark is ricky_clarkson! You're both from Manchester! |
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14:36.40 | suifur | loskazzo, more specific problems tend to warrant more help. |
14:36.49 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: I'm actually from Preston, but I live in Manchester. |
14:37.01 | greycat | chugga: no |
14:37.01 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Preston? You poor bastard. |
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14:37.14 | chugga | greycat, oh okay |
14:37.18 | PerfDave | greycat: Are you the author of War and Peace? |
14:37.25 | RikClark | ricky_clarkson: I grew up near Urmston (get ready for the dinnerladies jokes) but lived in didsbury and levenshulme for a while |
14:37.25 | RichiH | caphuso: by the way. today at university, mr. broy (_the_ cs professor at tum) iin his opening speech critized schily for his 'ambitious projects lately' upon which schily and 5 of his peons left |
14:37.29 | RichiH | :) |
14:37.32 | greycat | PerfDave: no |
14:37.36 | ricky_clarkson | Maybe there are only 3 places in the UK - Reading, Preston and Manchester. |
14:37.37 | loskazzo | the disk is plugged, but i am not able to mount it |
14:37.42 | caphuso | RichiH: hahaha |
14:37.43 | RichiH | suddenly, i found all new respect for mr. broy :) |
14:37.47 | Delph | ricky_clarkson: london is not manchester. |
14:37.47 | asg | ricky_clarkson: pretty sure Huddersfield still exists |
14:37.53 | loskazzo | i tried with fdisk -l, but i don't see any output |
14:37.54 | ricky_clarkson | RichiH: I teach salsa - a new venue is the Didsbury Hotel. |
14:38.01 | ricky_clarkson | Gah. |
14:38.06 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: ^^ |
14:38.23 | chugga | greycat, the guy on sf who maintains it is also called greycat |
14:38.33 | RikClark | ricky_clarkson: you never worked for relisys did you? |
14:38.38 | ricky_clarkson | No. |
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14:38.46 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: I used to go out with someone who lived in Urmston, near the petrol station near the motorway junction. |
14:38.46 | klara | How was the apt tool named which shows the installed packages ? apt-showinstalled... or something ? |
14:38.52 | RikClark | yet another one of us then! |
14:38.55 | ricky_clarkson | klara: dpkg -l |
14:39.02 | greycat | !FAQ klara |
14:39.03 | dpkg | klara: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
14:39.11 | RikClark | ricky_clarkson: Lostock - I know it |
14:39.15 | klara | but there was an apt-xxx tool also |
14:39.18 | RichiH | i created home.in.tum.de/~hartmanr/Application.txt, too |
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14:39.32 | ricky_clarkson | RikClark: Possibly ;) |
14:39.46 | PerfDave | asg: ...unfortunately ;) |
14:40.04 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Huddersfield is just what happens when people from Leeds want to think they're posh. |
14:40.04 | chugga | 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're |
14:40.05 | chugga | <PROTECTED> |
14:40.15 | chugga | explain this to me :-/ 24 hours? |
14:40.24 | ricky_clarkson | chugga: Martians. |
14:40.25 | asg | ricky_clarkson: true |
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14:40.38 | mateo_ | hi |
14:40.49 | mateo_ | how can I format a partition to fat32 with command-line ? |
14:40.57 | ricky_clarkson | mkfs.vfat |
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14:41.04 | chugga | Ricky surely they dont use debian, wouldnt they use their own OS |
14:41.39 | mateo_ | ricky_clarkson, I dont have that command, in what package is included ? |
14:41.41 | ricky_clarkson | chugga: No. The trademark Mars is already used by an earthly chocolate company, which severely damaged global Martian pride. |
14:41.54 | ricky_clarkson | mateo_: No clue. Do you have mkfs? |
14:41.57 | jm_ | mateo_: read the FAQ |
14:42.01 | mateo_ | yeah |
14:42.05 | mateo_ | I have mkfs |
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14:42.36 | chugga | im using OSS, how do i switch to ALSA |
14:42.42 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg alsa |
14:42.51 | mateo_ | ricky_clarkson, yeah and mkfs.ext3 mkfs.reiserfs |
14:42.53 | meff | whats a good linux games site with a complete list of linux games? the game tomb and linuxgames dont have a list, just 'news' |
14:42.55 | chugga | greycat, apt says it already installed |
14:42.56 | mateo_ | but not mkfs.vfat |
14:43.02 | greycat | chugga: /msg dpkg alsa |
14:43.14 | ricky_clarkson | mateo_: Seen the FAQ? |
14:43.32 | mateo_ | nop, sorry |
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14:43.46 | chugga | grey ok my friend |
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14:44.34 | Daffy-PKF | lo |
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14:45.19 | greycat | hahahaha, game tomb |
14:45.30 | chugga | green_earz, do you think it would be a good idea to rmod my oss driver first |
14:45.49 | chugga | i mean greycat |
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14:47.05 | legis | Anyone know a fast mirror for sarge-i386-netinst.iso ? |
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14:47.19 | jethro | !tell legis about anyone |
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14:48.30 | greycat | legis: use the bit torrent stuff. |
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14:49.07 | legis | greycat: ok |
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14:51.52 | shary | valdyn_: i recompiled and rebooted and ok hpc calcus like numerical integration in montecarlo system of a mine program i obtained aout a 20% of less time of execution (recompiled glibc and the kernel with the right flags and the gcc-3.4) |
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14:53.01 | valdyn_ | shary: nice! |
14:53.18 | shary | valdyn_: yeah sound great |
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14:53.45 | Crysknife007 | sounds and looks like lots of people love debian |
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14:54.19 | Doat | i'm trying to establish an ssh connection from my windows comp to my debian computer but it keeps messaging "connection refused" though i stopped shorewall |
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14:54.37 | jm_ | connection refused means nothing is listening on port |
14:54.44 | Doat | oh |
14:54.49 | RikClark | hmmm. /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/base-addr contains two numbers, 888 and 1912. That can't be right can it? |
14:54.53 | Doat | do i need to start ssh first or something? |
14:54.53 | streuner | Doat: apt-get install ssh |
14:55.02 | Jenns | Hey guys, how do I set up xfree86 to run at 1280x960 at 100hz. I've set VertRefresh to 43-100 but it starts up at 85 for some reason :-( |
14:55.10 | Doat | í'll try that. brb |
14:55.37 | jm_ | Jenns: that's probably because it has no better modeline |
14:55.45 | valdyn_ | Jenns: X will only use existing modelines by default, generate your own with "videogen" |
14:56.23 | jm_ | or web based modeline generators (google for it) |
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14:56.36 | Jenns | hrmm |
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14:58.06 | usn | usn, arriving |
14:58.39 | Doat | streuner: ssh was already installed. how do i start it now? |
14:58.52 | jm_ | Doat: check if sshd is enabled |
14:58.57 | streuner | Doat: should be already running |
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14:59.09 | streuner | Doat: ps aux | grep ssh |
14:59.21 | jm_ | Doat: dpkg-reconfigure ssh or /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run |
14:59.22 | Doat | my debian box isn't connected to internet |
14:59.30 | sep | jethro: agreed, a lot have changed since w2k server |
14:59.32 | Doat | so im trying to do it with local ip |
14:59.43 | Jenns | where do I place the modeline? |
14:59.51 | jm_ | Jenns: man XF86Config-4 |
14:59.54 | streuner | Doat: that's not a problem too |
14:59.59 | Doat | ok good |
15:00.00 | jethro | this f***ing server ain't doing nothing with icmp fragmentation needed messages |
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15:00.19 | Doat | so.. what should i do now? |
15:00.53 | zlost1 | i need a little advice, how can one change their framebuffer ? |
15:00.56 | streuner | Doat: what does 'ps aux | grep ssh' say? |
15:01.06 | zlost1 | preferably without a compile |
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15:01.20 | sep | zlost1: vga=ask in your grub/lilo config whatever you use |
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15:01.27 | Doat | streuner: ok i'll try that. brb |
15:01.50 | streuner | Doat: sshd should be running |
15:02.12 | zlost1 | saY its giving me vesa and i want atifb, can i do vga=atifb ? |
15:02.49 | sep | zlost1: no vge= just specify the resolution |
15:03.11 | zlost1 | res is fine |
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15:04.13 | sep | zlost1: i guess you want to remove the vga= line in bootlaoder and modprobe atifb |
15:04.17 | shary | valdyn_: thanx for the help and see you around |
15:04.42 | zlost1 | i have a problem , when running certain games it bogs down. i think the drivers are wrong |
15:04.43 | Doat | streuner: ok i got two rows |
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15:05.05 | Doat | streuner: and wrote it down on a paper. what's the important part here? |
15:05.42 | Doat | "root <numbers and stuff> /usr/sbin/sshd" |
15:05.57 | streuner | Doat: important part is that the daemon is running ;-) |
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15:06.08 | Doat | and the other one "root <numbers> /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager" |
15:06.25 | dhuv | hello all i am trying to work with a file that was previously on a mainframe |
15:06.39 | Doat | streuner: does the first one mean that it is? |
15:06.40 | zlost1 | would changing framebuffers help the problem ? |
15:06.52 | dhuv | The admins converted it to ascii, or so they say but there are a bunch of ^@ characters when viewed in vi |
15:06.52 | streuner | yes |
15:06.55 | Doat | ok good |
15:07.09 | greycat | s/in vi/in vim/ |
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15:07.23 | Doat | streuner: i'm still gettint "connection refused" |
15:07.25 | dhuv | does anyone know how to work with these types of files. i know that i can remove the ^M with ctrl+V ctrl+M |
15:07.26 | streuner | Doat: check your sshd config file |
15:07.27 | Doat | getting* |
15:07.39 | greycat | dhuv: they're NULs. What do you want to *do* to them? |
15:07.45 | Doat | streuner: where is that? |
15:07.48 | dhuv | greycat: remove them |
15:07.55 | greycat | dhuv: tr -d \\000 <input >newfile |
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15:09.05 | chugga | greycat, alsaconf wont detect my card |
15:09.07 | streuner | Doat: /etc/ssh/ |
15:09.10 | Doat | hmm.. it seems the local ip's for both computers are the same |
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15:10.29 | JYL57 | Hello Debian Community, looking for help configuring Ksirc behind a proxy ?! |
15:10.40 | kevinz | where is the "secure" log in debian? I just have a hang up of my system. When i am surfing it becomes very busy and the harddisk LED keeped on, even after i plug off the ethenet wire |
15:10.44 | Doat | streuner: which ip should i use when trying to connect with ssh "213.216.239.86" or "10.10.9.7" |
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15:11.19 | streuner | Doat: if you aren't connected to i-net use your local IP |
15:11.33 | hingwah | hi ,i always need to delete /usr/X11R6/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 manually during upgrade to avoid gimp 2 saying my fontconfig is too old in which the newer one is in /usr/lib , is it a known problem? |
15:11.50 | Doat | streuner: that would be "10.10.9.7".. but it's the same for both computers :/ |
15:11.59 | streuner | Doat: fix it |
15:12.06 | Doat | streuner: how? |
15:12.16 | jethro | Doat: using ifconfig or dhclient |
15:12.26 | Doat | ok |
15:12.43 | Doat | brb |
15:12.56 | dhuv | greycat: thanks, that got rid of the ^@ but there are a bunch more wierd chars that are still remaining, basically this file has a bunch of data in columns seperated by something and i am trying to get the file in ascii somehow so i can parse it |
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15:13.14 | JYL57 | Hello Debian Community, looking for help configuring Ksirc behind a proxy ?! |
15:14.50 | asg | JYL57: try #debian-kde |
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15:15.15 | aere | why doesn't update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator |
15:15.20 | aere | why doesn't update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator work? |
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15:15.22 | asg | jethro: hiya, how are things today? |
15:15.25 | JYL57 | tahnks asg ! bye |
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15:15.51 | spect0r | where can I buy debian sarge on CD? |
15:16.05 | asg | aere: does /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator work? |
15:16.09 | jethro | asg: recovering from yesterday's meeting we had with the company, went home at 4 in the morning f***ing drunk |
15:16.29 | jethro | asg: and couldn't wake up this morning to go to the office so I arrived at 3 in the afternoon :) |
15:16.37 | asg | jethro: :) our meetings are woefully sober |
15:16.58 | jethro | heh poor you :) |
15:16.59 | streuner | Spect0r: what i-net connection do you have? |
15:17.08 | aere | asg: oh it works, how strage. I executed the fist time from root |
15:17.21 | asg | aere: perhaps root's PATH is misconfigured |
15:17.26 | spect0r | streuner: dial up |
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15:17.38 | aere | asg it's default I guess |
15:17.51 | asg | aere: well, just verify that /usr/sbin is in it. |
15:18.00 | klara | How could I remove sendmail without removing packages depeinding on sendmail ? |
15:18.11 | asg | aere: or that there isn't some 'update-alternatives' dummy script before /usr/sbin in the path |
15:18.19 | asg | klara: install another mta |
15:18.27 | loceur | ok, dumb n00b question. I can print (using cups) with the test print and in gedit, but mozilla (thunderbird and firefox) doesn't print. Any ideas? |
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15:18.49 | Crysknife007 | would debian be a good first install? |
15:18.54 | klara | asg I want to do this but during this installation I got errors, look @ #flood please |
15:18.57 | asg | klara: installing nullmailer or ssmtp is useful if you don't want a full mta |
15:19.02 | SabroMan | hello everybody |
15:19.18 | aere | asg echo $PATH shows :/usr/sbin: |
15:19.21 | aere | asg: hmm |
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15:19.32 | SabroMan | i would like to know, what is de debian package the "dig" command is. |
15:19.37 | valdyn_ | loceur: "dpkg -l | grep cupsys-bsd" ( i believe thats required, not sure ) |
15:19.47 | moshii | SabroMan: apt-cache search dig |
15:19.47 | streuner | SabroMan: dnsutils |
15:20.02 | klara | asg but I want qmal |
15:20.04 | spect0r | so how can I buy the latest version of Sarge |
15:20.08 | SabroMan | thanks guys!!!! |
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15:20.30 | asg | klara: then install qmail using the 'qmail-src' package and it will automatically remove your previous mta |
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15:20.38 | kanati | Hey, what's a good mp3 player for linux? |
15:20.48 | shakparl | xmms works fine for me kanati |
15:20.51 | streuner | xmms |
15:20.56 | legis | spect0r: The site says were. |
15:21.01 | klara | asg: thats what I'm doing... and what occours the error |
15:21.04 | moshii | kanati: xmms, mp3blaster, mpg321 :D |
15:21.11 | comcor | ugh... mysql-client-4.1 depends on libdbd-mysql-perl.. but libdbd-mysql-perl isn't compiled against it... so it (libdbd-mysql-perl) won't work with a 4.1 server |
15:21.20 | npx | if you use KDE, juk is great, mp3blaster is great if you're a console type |
15:21.23 | comcor | anyone else noticed that? (testing) |
15:21.23 | spect0r | legis: huh? |
15:21.24 | asg | klara: if you want to compile qmail w/o using debian's qmail-src package, you need to provide dummy packages that provide 'mail-transport-agent' |
15:21.31 | orchid | spect0r: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
15:21.37 | shakparl | hey all i know how to bg a proc and fg in the same controlling terminal, but if i log in from different pty, is there a way to take over the process as long as i'm the same user? |
15:21.38 | npx | I've never really liked XMMS (I run at fairly high res and it just never felt right, UI elements were way too small) |
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15:22.11 | moshii | npx: use the "double size" mode |
15:22.12 | npx | and the enlarge button makes it all pixelated and horrendous to behold |
15:22.13 | kanati | shakparl, streuner: Thx, that does lok good.. |
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15:22.55 | shakparl | kanati: you can also import winamp playlists, skins and equalizer presets into xmms |
15:23.09 | klara | asg in flood I posted now my error... |
15:23.15 | npx | moshii I run at 1280x1024, which is high enough for normal mode to be too small and 2x to look shitty |
15:23.18 | moshii | kaffeine would be good if it didn't insist on automatically creating playlists |
15:23.36 | npx | moshii, awkward when you've been watching pr0n and someone uses your box for a minute =) |
15:23.47 | shakparl | npx haha |
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15:24.12 | resiak | !pronsmite npx |
15:24.16 | npx | moshii, I really like juk |
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15:24.27 | resiak | !pr0nsmite npx |
15:24.28 | npx | it's very macintosh-like |
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15:24.35 | resiak | !pornsmite npx |
15:24.35 | moshii | npx: it's also annoying when you open it in a lecture and crazy japanese music videos start playing .. |
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15:24.46 | npx | dude you should be spited for not spelling pr0n/p0rn with a 0 |
15:25.32 | npx | smited*, shit |
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15:25.33 | moshii | npx: Juk manages to mash all my tags and filenames :/ |
15:25.33 | npx | this is IRC man, certain conventions must be observed |
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15:25.33 | loceur | valdyn_: thanks |
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15:25.33 | shakparl | hey all i know how to bg a proc and fg in the same controlling terminal, but if i log in from different pty, is there a way to take over the process as long as i'm the same user? |
15:25.40 | resiak | shakparl: screen |
15:25.48 | resiak | shakparl: apt-get install screen; man screen |
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15:25.53 | shakparl | resiak: thx |
15:26.03 | npx | moshii, Most of my stuff is uniformly tagged. I rip most of my stuff from friends' CDs and when I download, I get albumwrap files |
15:26.06 | resiak | shakparl: Try it, be addicted. |
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15:26.35 | npx | (which I can separate and tag automatically ccording to cddb definitions) |
15:26.53 | Astinus | I have a mailserver hosted behind a border firewall, my colocated box is running a remote tunnel allowing access - but the tunnel always binds to 127.0.0.1 and is therefore useless from my home. Is there any way to make my remote tunnel bind to all interfaces or even specify which interface? |
15:27.28 | npx | it's tits. giftd (or kceasy on windows) can access gnutella, openft, fasttrack, and soulseek all at the same time |
15:27.40 | orchid | shakparl: http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html decent screen tutorial |
15:27.49 | npx | you just search for "ALBW" and have at it, all the insanely rare shit you could ever want |
15:27.58 | moshii | npx: retagging and me don't get along.. it seems everytime I retag everything XFS kicks out and everything is reduced to their Inode numbers.. I just dump everything in a folder for that artist and leave it be |
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15:28.22 | npx | moshii, having nice tags is one of those things I'm anal retentive about |
15:28.48 | npx | downloading music on a dial-up makes me that way, I think...if I had cable I'd come in plastered and download 573478953 songs in 20 minutes and itd be chaos |
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15:29.40 | moshii | npx: I'm just anal about quality.. 4mbit cable means FLAC isn't a problem ^^ |
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15:30.16 | shakparl | orchid: thx! |
15:30.18 | npx | you know, wrt quality, I really think 160kbps is as good as anything |
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15:30.48 | joujou | hi |
15:30.58 | spect0r | the only thing I'm worried about with Debian sarge, is when I go to upgrade to kde 3.3 |
15:31.04 | spect0r | that's gonna take forever over dial up |
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15:31.08 | joujou | is it possible to backup the master boot record? |
15:31.13 | gcbirzan | Yes. |
15:31.25 | gcbirzan | dd if=/dev/<device> of=backup bs=512 count=1 |
15:31.32 | moshii | npx: Try ripping The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream as MP3 and FLAC.. the mp3 sucks whatever the bitrate :/ |
15:31.35 | resiak | npx: You're wrong. |
15:31.36 | gcbirzan | The bs shouldn't be necessary. |
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15:31.58 | resiak | npx: I can tell FLAC from Ogg. |
15:32.00 | joujou | thanks, gcbirzan |
15:32.01 | resiak | npx: (just) |
15:32.05 | gcbirzan | Welcome. |
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15:32.26 | loceur | valdyn_: that was it. I didn't have lpr installed. thanks! |
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15:32.34 | greycat | resiak: at what -q level? |
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15:33.03 | resiak | greycat: Around 192 kbps. |
15:33.11 | joujou | 1+0 records in |
15:33.12 | joujou | 1+0 records out was the output, ok? |
15:33.16 | gcbirzan | Yes. |
15:33.18 | greycat | resiak: I have a funny feeling you're fooling yourself. |
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15:33.50 | greycat | resiak: last time I tried to do ABX testing (with 1.1.0 pre-release), I couldn't ABX my chosen song above -q 2. |
15:33.58 | resiak | greycat: Meh, I have all my CDs as flac on my desktop and ogg on my desktop. I've noticed the difference from time to time. (hence the "(just)" :)) |
15:34.23 | darkskiez | find a sample that doesnt sound right |
15:34.31 | darkskiez | and send a breif snippit to the developers |
15:34.38 | greycat | resiak: if I had *all* my CDs as FLAC (even the ones that suck), I'd need a RAID cabinet. |
15:34.48 | resiak | greycat: What can I say? I have a small collection :) |
15:35.07 | darkskiez | grey: but you've already god all of your CDs as RAW :] |
15:35.11 | sussudio | i think you'll find that lame --alt-preset standard is the limit at which 99.99% of people won't hear the difference between that and the original cd. |
15:35.37 | greycat | darkskiez: a significant chunk of the CDs I have are *not* ripped at all, because they're crap my wife bought, like Bryan Adams or New Kids on the Block |
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15:35.49 | Xemacs | <<< still prefers vinyl |
15:35.53 | RikClark | Does anyone know why aptitude wants to remove kde 3.3.2 which synaptic has just upgraded? They are both tracking 'testing'. |
15:36.09 | moshii | you can notice the difference between flac and ogg/mp3 really easily on decent speakers |
15:36.27 | greycat | moshii: you have to give bitrates or -q settings to make that statement meaningful |
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15:37.32 | Astinus | I have a remote SSH tunnel setup, it is started from my webserver that's behind a firewall. The remote server sets it up, but the port is 8080 and bound to 127.0.0.1 on the remote server. If I SSH to remote server and then try from console, it works fine - but I need to bind to all interfaces so anyone can access :/ Can I do this using OpenSSH when I setup the link, or should I be trying somethin with iptables? |
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15:37.47 | greycat | Astinus: man ssh, man sshd |
15:37.58 | Astinus | Already done, fck all in there about this :/ |
15:38.07 | greycat | I *suspect* (mind-read, guess, tea-leaf-read) that you're using ssh -R. |
15:38.15 | Astinus | yeah |
15:38.31 | greycat | Astinus: man sshd, FIRST HIT ON "bind". |
15:38.35 | greycat | JESUS you people suck. |
15:38.56 | Astinus | ssh -l root -R 8080:my.webserver.ip.here:80 remote.server.ip.here |
15:39.00 | Doat | what does it mean if putty gives "connection timed out" when connecting? |
15:39.01 | greycat | BAH! First hit on bind in the *woody* man page. The sarge man page doesn't have any. |
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15:39.05 | Xemacs | greycat you are amazing |
15:39.33 | Astinus | Yeah, so the old version of SSH works differently |
15:39.34 | chugga | greycat, can you help with alsa |
15:39.37 | jethro | Astinus: you need -g |
15:39.46 | greycat | in Sarge: first hit on "bind" in "man sshd_config" |
15:39.48 | Astinus | jethro: I tried -g, it still binds to 127.0.0.1 |
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15:39.52 | greycat | they must've split up the man page. |
15:40.01 | greycat | chugga: no. |
15:40.07 | jethro | my bad |
15:40.17 | greycat | Doat: means a firewall, or the host is down, or a router is fucked. |
15:40.17 | jethro | -g only works with -L |
15:40.18 | chugga | greycat, i've done what the box asked |
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15:41.12 | darkskiez | oh my god - i've been looking for that -g option for months. I was trying to do it with ip tables magic. |
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15:42.09 | joujou | where did it back up to? I would like to be able to restore it from a floppy by a live CD (i mean dd if=/dev/hda of=backup bs=512 count=1) |
15:42.38 | greycat | joujou: man dd |
15:43.02 | jethro | darkskiez: that's why it's good to rtfm |
15:43.05 | shakparl | resiak: i meant if i have a proc running from home, then ssh in from work can i take control of that via screen |
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15:43.22 | shakparl | resiak: either way screen rules |
15:43.25 | joujou | great, now i have to decipher those parameters again |
15:43.30 | greycat | yes, screen does rule. |
15:43.40 | greycat | joujou: OUTPUT FILE. Jesus. It's not rocket science! |
15:43.56 | jethro | but has bugs with hardstatusline and too many windows opened in the same screen |
15:44.04 | Nosf3ratu | Is there a way to save syntax-hilighted html from vim while viewing a C file? |
15:44.06 | shakparl | i've tried using bash and tee but i can only send stuff to the other pty, not take control of that proc |
15:44.07 | kanati | chugga: i just went through a few days of fighting with alsa. What's your problem? |
15:44.09 | Nosf3ratu | Similar to what perltidy does for perl...? |
15:44.35 | chugga | kanati, i've apt-get install'd alsa-base and alsa-utils |
15:44.44 | chugga | then when i run alsaconf, it refused to detect my card |
15:45.10 | kanati | You know that the modules are installed in the kernel? |
15:45.18 | greycat | (What card...?) |
15:45.24 | greycat | (What kernel...?) |
15:45.30 | chugga | kanati, when i do modprobe alsa-base it doesnt give me any error |
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15:45.40 | chugga | i think its compiled into my kernel. its not a module |
15:45.54 | joujou | great i found, how to restore it then later :P |
15:45.59 | chugga | greycat, maestro3 .. i used it with alsa a few years ago, no problem |
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15:46.09 | greycat | chugga: stop guessing. if you don't know, *find out*. |
15:46.09 | chugga | kernel is 2.4.27 |
15:46.25 | kanati | remove it from your kernel and use it as a module. I don't know why, but it wouldn't find my card in alsaconf until I pulled it out of the kernel. |
15:46.50 | chugga | kanati, ok. vooodoo :-/ |
15:47.08 | caphuso | Nosf3ratu: the tohtml plugin does that, IIRC |
15:47.13 | chugga | kanati, but was alsaconf the way you went? |
15:47.32 | samuel | things like AddHandler go into apache2.conf or httpd.conf? |
15:47.37 | resiak | shakparl: You have to have started it within screen. |
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15:48.14 | chugga | is alsa even compilable into a kernel? |
15:48.15 | kanati | yeah, i had to use alsaconf once after I first (re)compiled the kernel and booted into it. While you're in there, make sure you select the oss APIs as modules also.. |
15:48.23 | iceman | I'd like for a certain directory, as soon as a new file is added, a script gets executed upon that file. Is this a bad idea, or is there a good way to acomplish this? |
15:48.39 | Doat | greycat: well.. i've disabled the firewall.. host should be up.. that leaves us fucked up router |
15:48.40 | Nosf3ratu | Thanks caphuso. |
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15:49.38 | shakparl | resiak: ok ok shoulda rtfm thx man :) |
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15:50.48 | shakparl | SCREEN RULES |
15:51.00 | resiak | shakparl: Yes, it does. Now press that Capslock key again :) |
15:51.04 | shakparl | krkr |
15:51.11 | shakparl | sorry ahem fat finger ;) |
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15:51.26 | jethro | why does dpkg -i kernel-image-foo.deb unset kopt in my /boot/grub/menu.lst ? and how can I keep such settings when installing new kernels? |
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15:52.35 | greycat | jethro: uh... well, did you read the comments in the file? |
15:52.42 | chugga | greycat, the bot didnt tell me to apt-get any alsa mkodules |
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15:53.02 | greycat | Huh. |
15:53.06 | greycat | !listkeys alsa |
15:53.08 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'alsa' by key (15 shown; 34 total): debian alsa howto ;; alsa blacklist ;; alsa tutorial ;; alsa-xmms ;; alsaplayer ;; alsa-kernel #DEL# ;; debian alsa ;; alsa-source ;; alsa download ;; said alsa ;; alsa-modules ;; be alsa advocate ;; alsalib ;; sing the alsa song ;; alsa said #DEL#. |
15:53.10 | jethro | greycat: I m not sure I understood them the right way |
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15:54.00 | greycat | !be alsa barbie |
15:54.00 | dpkg | Making the interface work the same for all different cards is HARD! |
15:54.05 | resiak | :) |
15:54.09 | greycat | (that's a weak one. I couldn't come up with a better one.) |
15:54.23 | greycat | because... ALSA *IS* fucking hard! |
15:54.31 | greycat | it's designed by pompous assholes |
15:54.34 | chugga | my old distro made it easy |
15:54.37 | chugga | *sigh* |
15:54.42 | samuel | should i put changes to apache in httpd.conf or apache2.conf? |
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15:54.52 | abrotman | samuel: what kind of changes/. |
15:54.53 | abrotman | ? |
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15:54.57 | greycat | chugga: if you're not in a 2.6.x kernel, you need to get the ALSA modules, which are not part of Linux 2.4.x and earlier. |
15:54.59 | jethro | greycat: does it mean I have to set kopt out of the MAGIC boundaries? |
15:55.11 | chugga | green_earz, im in 2.4 |
15:55.16 | guestish | there |
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15:55.28 | greycat | jethro: I read it as "you have to edit the # kopt=... comment but leave the `# ' in place" |
15:55.35 | jethro | greycat: ok |
15:55.37 | samuel | abrotman, SSI, mod_status... |
15:55.41 | greycat | jethro: since I have no fucking idea with kopt= does, I don't know. |
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15:55.51 | chugga | greycat, i have no idea which modules package to get though |
15:55.52 | jethro | greycat: ok it's like append= in lilo.conf :) |
15:56.05 | samuel | abrotman, how do i know where to put changes? |
15:56.07 | abrotman | samuel: isn't there a mods-available mods-included? .. also check the sites-enabled directory |
15:56.23 | greycat | chugga: the one that MATCHES your kernel-image. PRECISE MATCH. |
15:56.43 | greycat | if you have kernel-image-2.4.27-little-green-man then you want alsa-modules-2.4.27-little-green-man |
15:56.47 | chugga | apt-get doesnt like any of them |
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15:57.03 | chugga | im getting the source now, maybe that'll do it |
15:57.12 | darkskiez | jethro: there should be a comment saying look at -g under -R/-L whichever |
15:57.28 | greycat | if you build a custom kernel, you want module-assistant |
15:57.33 | greycat | and the alsa sources |
15:57.42 | jethro | darkskiez: there should also be manpages digests for lazy users |
15:58.13 | asg | greycat: the 'kopt=' function defines the default appends that grub will add to default kernel entries it finds when you update grub. |
15:58.19 | asg | s/function/var/ |
15:58.28 | viyyer | I want to burn CDs for distributing at linux-asia (www.linuxasia.com) for delhi linux user group's effort in popularization |
15:58.28 | jethro | asg: do you confirm it has to stay commented? :) |
15:58.39 | greycat | the comments *say* to leave it commented... |
15:58.40 | asg | jethro: I've never uncommented it |
15:58.56 | darkskiez | jethro, good idea |
15:58.57 | kanati | I know it's a long shot, but does anyone have a box running mythtv? |
15:59.02 | greycat | !anyone use |
15:59.02 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
15:59.02 | asg | jethro: it seems the file has double comments '##' and single '#' comments that have some extra semantic meaning |
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15:59.14 | viyyer | what should I distribute debian sarge or woody ? |
15:59.20 | greycat | asg: and typos. like 'specifiv' |
15:59.22 | moshii | jethro: it has to stay commented because it's used by update-grub not grub itself |
15:59.25 | greycat | viyyer: sarge |
15:59.26 | asg | greycat: that as well |
15:59.28 | suifur | viyyer, i'd distribute sarge |
15:59.33 | jethro | greycat: it was set to root=/something/i/dont/have ro and I dnd't geterror messages concerning that hence why I supposed it wasn't used |
15:59.58 | jethro | anyways |
16:00.01 | jethro | I ll try and stfu :) |
16:00.10 | samuel | abrotman, mods enabled and available dont have mod_status |
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16:00.18 | caphuso | \$.* |
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16:00.26 | abrotman | samuel: you could put them there :) |
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16:00.35 | chugga | greycat, this module-assistant thing is sexy as hell |
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16:00.40 | samuel | abrotman, can I use httpd.conf for changes or apache2.conf? |
16:00.41 | moshii | jethro: you have to run update-grub to make your new kopt active |
16:00.48 | samuel | abrotman, i could :) |
16:01.15 | greycat | yeah, module-assistant is *ALMOST* as good as having a kernel that just fucking works and doesn't need 3rd party shit... No, wait, it's not even close. |
16:01.16 | abrotman | samuel: i made most of my changes in the sites-active directory .. and the loaded modules should come from mods-enabled |
16:02.12 | chugga | greycat, you live in the clouds |
16:02.20 | abrotman | samuel: but that would depend on what exactly you're trying to accomplish with the SSI stuff |
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16:03.05 | samuel | abrotman, nothing much... simple insert dates and things like that |
16:03.14 | abrotman | erm .. ok |
16:03.32 | iceman | creds to whoever wrote nvidia-oneliner factoid |
16:03.48 | greycat | chugga: "I have a dream..." |
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16:04.20 | chugga | greycat, well lets hope you keep it in a safe place |
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16:05.21 | markl__ | is there a way to have SSH listen on just one interface (as opposed to ListenAddress)? |
16:06.03 | chugga | greycat, the funny thing is the 2.4 kernel has the driver for my card .. i just have to use alsa for all the braindead audio apps |
16:06.40 | samuel | abrotman, so, im confused... if i put all my changes in the sites-active directory then will that work for the virtual site thats listed there? the default site on my computer? |
16:06.53 | greycat | I use a SB Live (emu10k1) with OSS under 2.4.x and I have *zero* problems. |
16:07.07 | abrotman | samuel: for the site that is there afaik ... |
16:07.17 | samuel | abrotman, thanks |
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16:07.23 | npx | I use the same hardware with alsa with *zero* problems |
16:07.33 | npx | quick howto: modprobe snd-emu10k1;modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
16:07.35 | npx | pwnt |
16:07.59 | greycat | markl__: in what way does ListenAddress fail to satisfy your needs? |
16:08.04 | samuel | abrotman, do you know why apache-common package never overwrites or replaces apache2.conf? |
16:08.12 | markl__ | greycat: i'm trying to have a single sshd_config that works on like 50 boxes |
16:08.19 | chugga | greycat, have you tried using stuff like rosegarden or ardour |
16:08.19 | abrotman | samuel: no .. i'm not the apache packager .. sorry |
16:08.24 | greycat | chugga: no |
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16:08.40 | samuel | abrotman, thanks for the help |
16:08.49 | greycat | chugga: remember, if you can't find help here, ask #alsa |
16:09.01 | markl__ | greycat: i'm sure i could sed in the proper address automatically or something if i have to, but i'd rather avoid that if possible |
16:09.09 | chugga | grey, thanks |
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16:10.07 | greycat | markl__: that may be the way to go. |
16:10.21 | markl__ | ok thanks! |
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16:11.02 | hermitkid | good morning |
16:11.17 | Huahua | good morning |
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16:12.19 | hermitkid | I'm having a bit of an issue witha crappy network card in one of my servers and I absolutely hate setting switch ports to autonegotiate. What's the 'cleanest' way of setting the linkspeed? I figured I could use the media option but interfaces is very vague about its usage |
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16:13.12 | hermitkid | I'm thinking about just dropping something into rcS.d that runs mii-tool but that seems a bit rough |
16:13.21 | hermitkid | any other suggestons? |
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16:13.47 | NaturalRoots | hi |
16:13.51 | NaturalRoots | i use debian sarge |
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16:13.55 | NaturalRoots | apache 1.3.33-3 |
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16:14.03 | NaturalRoots | i put options Syntax error on line 58 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf: |
16:14.03 | NaturalRoots | Invalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
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16:14.15 | CosmoDad_ | I'm trying to understand the structure of the /etc/networking/interfaces file. Can anyone explain to me the meaning of "map FOO BAR" lines in mapping stanzas? |
16:14.16 | Rawplayer | NaturalRoots: www.apache.org |
16:14.17 | NaturalRoots | don't exist this option in apache debian? |
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16:14.44 | hermitkid | NaturalRoots: looks like mod_rewrite is not being loaded |
16:14.47 | Rawplayer | CosmoDad_: man 5 interfaces |
16:14.49 | PerfDave | CosmoDad_: man 5 interfaces |
16:15.01 | NaturalRoots | hermitkid : yes load |
16:15.25 | hermitkid | NaturalRoots: the only way you would get that error message is if mod_rewrite is not loaded |
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16:15.49 | CosmoDad_ | Rawplayer, PerfDave: tried that, yet I'm not sure of the meaning |
16:15.57 | shuncox | leave |
16:16.09 | Rawplayer | :? |
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16:16.19 | drjesus | hey i need some help getting my scroll wheel working in X in Debian 2.4 |
16:16.22 | greycat | the Debian interfaces(5) page *sucks* as documentation. |
16:16.27 | hermitkid | greycat: no shit |
16:16.31 | greycat | I have no clue what that "map" crap is, nor do I care |
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16:16.39 | greycat | !man interfaces |
16:16.39 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
16:17.35 | CosmoDad_ | I'd like my notebook to use ethernet if the cable is connected, otherwise the WLAN interface, but not both at the same time |
16:17.42 | CosmoDad_ | thought mapping is what i needed for that purpose |
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16:18.05 | drjesus | is there a special driver name that i need to use to enable the third button my my ps/2 mouse? |
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16:18.33 | CosmoDad_ | prob is I don't know how to automatically set up wlan interface if eth-cable is missing and not set it up if eth-cable is plugged in |
16:18.37 | Daaaani | hello i got a hyundai L70S+ 17" TFT how do i install it? |
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16:19.42 | greycat | drjesus: no |
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16:20.56 | Xemacs | CosmoDad_, man ifup |
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16:22.08 | zarchne | Hey, the latest security announcement (Python) mentioned how to upgrade sarge. Does that mean security updating for sarge is coming on-line? |
16:22.27 | CosmoDad_ | Xemacs: I don't see how this would help |
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16:22.45 | hermitkid | zarchne: what do you mean? |
16:22.54 | CosmoDad_ | Xemacs: I need "conditional interfaces", not loading all of them on boot-up |
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16:23.10 | Xemacs | CosmoDad_, It will allow you to take down/up interfaces |
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16:23.33 | hermitkid | zarchne: security.debian.org has always had packages for testing |
16:23.58 | CosmoDad_ | Xemacs: sure. but how to do decide that on boot-up? I need (eth0 and NOT wlan) or (NOT eth0 and wlan) if you know what I mean |
16:24.09 | PerfDave | CosmoDad_: There are pacakges for automatic network configuration of the type you mention. |
16:24.10 | CosmoDad_ | Xemacs: I want it on-thy-fly |
16:24.19 | hermitkid | CosmoDad_: you could write a small shell script parsing mii-tool |
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16:24.26 | PerfDave | CosmoDad_: laptop-net is one |
16:24.27 | Daaaani | how do i install my Hyundai L70S+ monitor? |
16:24.32 | hermitkid | CosmoDad_: parsing the mii-tool output I meant |
16:24.54 | PerfDave | Daaaani: Plug it in to your computer, provide power. |
16:24.54 | boycer | Daaaani: plug it in? |
16:25.00 | greycat | Daaaani: power into wall, signal into video card, press power button. |
16:25.08 | CosmoDad_ | PerfDave: ooh nice looks exactly like what I want |
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16:25.38 | mrnull | where can i get a list of sources for my sources.list file? |
16:25.43 | greycat | mrnull: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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16:25.50 | Daaaani | hmm i done that but the problem is that when I install nvidia drivers my x says "video out of range" or somethin like that |
16:25.50 | mrnull | thanks |
16:25.51 | CosmoDad_ | hermitkid: thx for the hint but if there's a package suitable I'm gonna go for that |
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16:26.02 | zarchne | hermitkid: They aren't mentioned in the debian-security-announce announcements. And "debian-security updates for sarge come online" is a major blocker for the release. |
16:26.08 | boycer | Daaaani: you need to configure the resolutions in X |
16:26.30 | Daaaani | so i don't have to tell linux specific what monitor i got? |
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16:26.34 | boycer | Daaaani: it's in /etc/X11/XF86-Config iirc |
16:26.46 | boycer | Daaaani: or /etc/X11/XF86-Config-4 |
16:26.46 | Daaaani | how do i do that? |
16:26.52 | dvs | Daaaani: You have to enter the proper frequency ranges of your monitor |
16:26.58 | valdyn | Daaaani: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
16:27.36 | chugga_ | greycat, what modules do i modprobe for alsa .. ive built them |
16:27.43 | hermitkid | alsa sucks |
16:27.46 | HelmutG | hi. i have two sarge maschines. one exporting /home (ext3, usrquota, 2.4 kernel, user-server, rpc.rquotad running) and one mounting it. using quota i can see how much quota i have although it does *not* prevent me from writing more. why? |
16:27.55 | hermitkid | that's all there is to it ;) |
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16:28.39 | fatal_ | Daaaani: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to recongure X ... if you want to insert exact values in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 a hint is to install the read-edid packages and use get-edit|parse-edid .... |
16:29.00 | cahoot | chugga: tried snd-maestro3 and snd-pcm-oss (for oss emulation)? |
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16:29.27 | chugga_ | cahoot, im having problems with that |
16:29.35 | chugga_ | lib/modules/2.4.27/updates/alsa/snd-maestro3.o: post-install snd-maestro3 faile |
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16:29.50 | fatal_ | Daaaani: edid only works on new monitors though, but you seem to have a new one. |
16:29.56 | HelmutG | any idea why quotas don't work over nfs? |
16:30.30 | fatal_ | the network filesystem doesn't support quota? |
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16:31.25 | FieldySnuts | nfs doesn't support quotas at least by default. maybe it can be turned on (kernel) |
16:31.28 | chugga_ | cahoot, ok, the modules seem to be loaded. and i can use the mixer, but xmms wont play |
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16:31.57 | HelmutG | fatal_: oh. they support it. it just does not work. |
16:32.10 | cahoot | chugga: you've checked no oss module is loaded? |
16:32.13 | HelmutG | fatal_: limits are not enforce although being displayed. |
16:32.21 | chugga_ | cahoot, yes |
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16:32.42 | azreal | chugga_: are you in the "audio" group? |
16:32.43 | cahoot | chugga: /proc/asound/cards lists correct card? |
16:32.54 | chugga_ | azreal, im root |
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16:33.04 | Varg_ | Is there a way to kill specific remote connections to a server that are listed in netstat -a? |
16:33.11 | chugga_ | chugga_, i unloaded everything and now it lists nothing |
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16:34.02 | bernard | I've download a software with apt-get source and modified the source code (and it's working). This software has only one binary program. How can I can rebuild a pkg with a alternative name for the pkg and the binary program (and man page)? |
16:34.18 | cahoot | chugga: and you still can use the mixer?? |
16:34.33 | chugga_ | 0 [PCI ]: Maestro3 - ESS Maestro3 PCI |
16:34.34 | chugga_ | <PROTECTED> |
16:34.37 | chugga_ | thats what the proc file says |
16:34.46 | chugga_ | but the driver didint load properly. giving the same error as before |
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16:34.57 | chugga_ | could i have the wrong driver compiled :s |
16:35.32 | cahoot | chugga: aplay 'some.wav' produces no sound? |
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16:35.51 | chugga_ | cahoot, i cant hear it |
16:36.01 | Varg_ | Is there a way to kill specific remote connections to a server that are listed in netstat -a? |
16:36.11 | chugga_ | wait. sorry. yes i can1 |
16:36.18 | chugga_ | the levels were turned too low |
16:36.26 | azreal | oh my god |
16:36.26 | takatumi | 19:35:13 up 4 days, 3:26, 7 users, load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.00. (with xfree, galeon, lyx, mutt, screen, irssi and lyx) yay! |
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16:36.46 | azreal | !pummel chugga_ |
16:36.54 | cahoot | chugga: tried alsaconf again? |
16:36.55 | chugga_ | azreal, blame xmms =/ |
16:37.01 | chugga_ | cahoot, it wont work |
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16:37.50 | cahoot | chugga: how did you load the module? insmod or modprobe? |
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16:37.53 | jethro | Varg_: tcpkill |
16:38.01 | Varg_ | jethro: thanks |
16:38.05 | chugga_ | cahoot, mod |
16:38.13 | jethro | Varg_: yw think it's part of dsniff if it's not a package by itself |
16:38.22 | takatumi | alsa either just works or it's just painful to get it working. strange extremes. |
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16:38.48 | Varg_ | jethro: checking now, thanks |
16:38.50 | cahoot | chugga: looks to me alsa actually works |
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16:39.14 | chugga_ | cahoot, well why cant i use xmms - ive tried telling it to use alsa and OSS |
16:39.17 | HelmutG | argh. i found a bug that was already found by some suse users. |
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16:39.37 | HelmutG | i'll submit it tomorrow or later. ;) |
16:39.46 | cahoot | chugga: ie snd-pcm-oss is loaded? |
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16:40.18 | chugga_ | cahoot, yeah |
16:40.42 | takatumi | chugga_: is it only xmms? |
16:41.02 | chugga_ | takatumi, aplay worked.. havent tried anything else |
16:41.31 | chugga_ | and by work i mean it doesnt start playing |
16:41.33 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: moo? |
16:41.33 | ravenbird | mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/ |
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16:41.56 | takatumi | chugga_: you sure the volume is not muted. |
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16:42.48 | chugga_ | takatumi, its not, i can play using aplay? |
16:42.51 | azreal | chugga_: wait, lets try this again... are you SURE you cant hear it? |
16:43.14 | chugga_ | azreal, the player slider thingy isnt moving - ie its not playing |
16:43.15 | takatumi | chugga_: is that a question or an answer? |
16:43.18 | chugga_ | let me trying playing something else |
16:43.22 | chugga_ | tak_, the answer is no |
16:43.54 | azreal | chugga_: good plan |
16:43.56 | chugga_ | ah fuc. it was the file. |
16:44.01 | chugga_ | it must be corrupt or something :( |
16:44.10 | chugga_ | sorry guys |
16:44.13 | chugga_ | thanks :) |
16:44.14 | takatumi | "19:41 chugga_ | takatumi, aplay worked.. havent tried anything else" "19:41 chugga_ | and by work i mean it doesnt start playing" |
16:44.27 | chugga_ | i wasnt playing the same file |
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16:44.32 | takatumi | that's got to be qotd. |
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16:45.31 | takatumi | SlayerXP: sounds like it was painful. |
16:46.00 | SlayerXP | takatumi: it was a pest and not helped by braindead assumptions on behalf of ATI |
16:46.06 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd0 |
16:46.06 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
16:46.10 | ricky_clarkson | Haha! |
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16:46.31 | takatumi | !qotd666 |
16:46.31 | dpkg | i heard qotd666 is <aragorn> | i cant make "ê", it will result in "^e". i dont know what to do. |
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16:47.10 | JYL57 | Hello debian community ! |
16:47.26 | JYL57 | how to configure ksirc behind a proxy ?! |
16:47.31 | takatumi | !pal JYL57 |
16:47.35 | chugga_ | hahah |
16:47.35 | Rawplayer | dunno |
16:47.38 | chugga_ | debian community |
16:47.53 | takatumi | chugga_: what's so funny? |
16:48.01 | darkskiez | so how do you enter e acute/grave etc then ? |
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16:48.54 | asg | !ksirc |
16:48.54 | dpkg | it has been said that ksirc is a script for sirc, but I may be wrong, or asg> ni: have you asked in #debian-kde? ni> yeah ni> they told me ksirc is ugly and sucks balls asg> hahaha |
16:49.02 | azreal | anyone know if you can check out the qotd's online? |
16:49.15 | asg | azreal: /msg dpkg listkeys qotd |
16:49.21 | kraftwerk | hello. i plan to expand my experience in linux and would like to make a Linux From Scratch - just for fun. but i only got one computer and i won't reboot it anytime. i thought, an emulator could be good for me. but which shall i use? bochs? user mode linux? can you help me? |
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16:49.45 | jethro | kraftwerk: this ain't the good place for polls |
16:49.49 | takatumi | JYL57: irssi-text |
16:49.52 | mutantspider | i finally got grub installed on my laptop, need a little help though to boot debian. It can't find the partition. It's set to load (hd0,0), the debian os is on my 1 and only hard drive on the second partition. Any ideas |
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16:49.54 | azreal | asg: i meant on the web |
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16:50.16 | mutantspider | i installed grub after ghosting an image of debian to my laptop |
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16:50.18 | takatumi | mutantspider: (hd0,1) |
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16:50.25 | mutantspider | tried, didn't work |
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16:50.57 | asg | azreal: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune (my last compilation into fortune format) |
16:51.11 | azreal | asg: thanx |
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16:51.17 | takatumi | mutantspider: hda2 is (hd0,1) so that isn't your problem then. |
16:51.42 | paulswm | mutantspider: is the hd0 entry correct in grub's device.map? |
16:51.46 | mutantspider | well, in the meantime, how do I make it boot windows by default, it's at the bottom |
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16:51.57 | crow | how to see mounted and used partition on debian(need to now what nativ and swap partition are being used to format rest) |
16:52.02 | takatumi | mutantspider: info grub |
16:52.07 | ywfn | Hey I am trying to install a wireless card on an old laptop but I can't get it to work:it shows on iwconfig but I get link quality 0/92 no matter how close to the AP I get |
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16:52.23 | asg | crow: df |
16:52.28 | takatumi | mutantspider: tried running update-grub? |
16:52.55 | asg | ywfn: does 'iwlist <interface> scan' list your AP? |
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16:53.23 | JYL57 | takanumi : what do you mean, is it a conf file ?! |
16:53.47 | ywfn | asg: It says that interface doesn't support scanning...I am using the orinoco_cs driver if that helps |
16:53.57 | takatumi | JYL57: no, apt-cache show irssi-text; apt-get install irssi-text |
16:54.00 | Daaaani | what bittorrent program can i get with apt-get? |
16:54.08 | takatumi | ywfn: same here. |
16:54.17 | asg | ywfn: does your ap have an essid? are you using WEP? have you configured the interface to use any of these? |
16:54.19 | zinx | Daaaani: the official python one |
16:54.28 | zinx | Daaaani: apt-cache search bittorrent |
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16:54.34 | zinx | Daaaani: apt-cache show <package name you want described> |
16:54.39 | SlayerXP | Daaaani: apt-cache search bittorrent |
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16:54.53 | muaddib | hello all |
16:54.57 | crow | asg dont see swap partition... |
16:55.04 | PerfDave | I don't think there are any Bittorrent programs in Woody. |
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16:55.09 | muaddib | in IMP specfically 3.0 how our mailfilters processed meaning where our they read from and what process (appplication does the filtering to imap folders |
16:55.10 | asg | crow: then use fdisk(1) to identify which it is |
16:55.18 | asg | crow: also, consult /etc/fstab |
16:55.29 | ywfn | asg: yes my AP does have an ESIID ...no I am not using WEP...I have the ESSID field empty which should allow me to log on to any available AP |
16:55.37 | jethro | ywfn: no |
16:55.56 | jethro | ywfn: it should allow you if the AP accepts beacon without ssid set |
16:55.59 | jethro | *if* |
16:56.06 | asg | ywfn: try 'iwconfig <interface> essid <essid>' ; 'iwconfig <interface> mode managed' ; dhclient <interface> |
16:56.07 | iceman | is it not possible to specify uid/gid when mounting reiserfs? |
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16:56.23 | asg | iceman: man mount (/reiser) |
16:56.43 | iceman | asg: I've read that of course |
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16:56.51 | jethro | ywfn: and btw, orinoco_cs sucks goats, you should go for hostap, and use the managed mode |
16:57.03 | asg | iceman: then, if it's possible, it should just use the standard mount options that all filesystems use. |
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16:57.49 | takatumi | jethro: orinoco_cs works fine here, what are the advantages of hostap? and would it work for a linksys card? |
16:57.54 | iceman | asg: so if I can't use -o gid=somegroup I should conclude that it's impossible? |
16:58.28 | asg | iceman: no, I'd do more investigation before coming to that conclusion. |
16:59.09 | iceman | yea, the "more investigation" part is me asking in #debian |
16:59.19 | takatumi | JYL57: yes, that's what I use. |
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16:59.22 | asg | iceman: then wait a while and ask again, people come and go. |
16:59.22 | jethro | takatumi: it works for any prism2/2.5 802.11b card, and I got better results with hostap in terms of quality |
16:59.45 | chugga_ | anyone use Jack with debian? |
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16:59.55 | Mr_ClayHead | greets all |
16:59.56 | crow | asg are these partition that have + used now like (250000+) |
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17:00.07 | asg | crow: in what context? |
17:00.09 | ywfn | asg: that worked thanks a lot |
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17:00.16 | crow | asg i have 2 with + and 2 without it Blocks |
17:00.33 | crow | asg i wonna del unused partition from disk |
17:00.40 | jannol | I wanna ask what to do when I cannot install libx11 |
17:00.42 | asg | crow: oh, that just means blocks + a bit of a block |
17:00.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: say !irritate crow |
17:00.47 | asg | ywfn: you're welcome |
17:00.48 | ravenbird | !irritate crow |
17:00.48 | dpkg | crow: wenas who uses dvd !!!1 |
17:01.01 | jannol | i use apt and my sources are sarge and sid |
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17:01.16 | asg | jannol: don't mix sources for a start |
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17:01.31 | jannol | ok, didn?t know that |
17:01.57 | asg | jannol: while you can run mixed sid / sarge, there might be problems. Better to run one or the other (preferrably the former) |
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17:02.19 | asg | jannol: er, in your list, not mine. |
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17:04.04 | rover | I'm trying apt-get upgrade a woody system with some backports and I'm getting an error which I'll paste into #flood. Any hints at what I should do? |
17:05.07 | asg | rover: which backports? |
17:05.25 | Snadder | whats an good, but not cpu consuming desktop? |
17:05.31 | asg | Snadder: ion |
17:05.32 | rover | asg: rsync module-init-tools e2fsprogs procps |
17:05.48 | asg | rover: hmmm |
17:06.06 | valdyn | Snadder: "desktops" don't typically consume cpu |
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17:06.12 | rover | asg: after that error, it tries to upgrade libc6 and I get different errors. I'll post those in #flood |
17:06.13 | Marticus | cool |
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17:06.37 | Marticus | just completed moving my domain to my broadband connection because IT dept at work were being pricks |
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17:07.05 | valdyn | Snadder: xfce4 |
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17:07.08 | asg | rover: if you can (and this might not work given the state of your system) what does 'apt-cache policy libc6' show as the installed version? |
17:07.09 | Marticus | back to idling |
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17:07.45 | Marticus | oh, btw, where would one place a dyn dns updater script if one wanted only to run it if a new ip is leased? |
17:07.51 | jannol | hmm well, how can I fix it then, it didn't help to remove my sarge still error with depencies |
17:07.58 | rover | asg: Installed: 2.2.5-11.5 |
17:07.58 | Marticus | using woody... |
17:07.59 | asg | Marticus: in /usr/local and run it from cron |
17:08.09 | Marticus | asg, I have done this |
17:08.11 | asg | rover: what is the Candidate? |
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17:08.14 | FieldySnuts | @lart |
17:08.16 | Marticus | I want to get away from croning it |
17:08.21 | valdyn | jannol: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
17:08.22 | linuxclub | hy |
17:08.25 | rover | asg: Candidate: 2.2.5-11.8 |
17:08.27 | linuxclub | i am paolo |
17:08.33 | linuxclub | i need information |
17:08.35 | fuat | does anyone know where to get some Icons, (File Type) |
17:08.36 | Marticus | wouldn't it be more efficient to include it in the config for the dhcp client? |
17:08.39 | asg | rover: take valdyn's advice then |
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17:08.58 | linuxclub | i must to buy a pc x86 athlon 64 bit |
17:08.58 | Marticus | I thought there was a way to check for events and run scripts accordingly |
17:09.04 | jannol | ok |
17:09.14 | Marticus | but I don't know how debian has integrated the dhcp client |
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17:09.28 | linuxclub | the pheripherics i need it are |
17:09.35 | asg | Marticus: it depends on the dhcp client you are using. |
17:09.36 | Marticus | asg, any thoughts on that approach? |
17:09.37 | Marticus | err |
17:09.57 | Marticus | dhcp3-client 3.0+3.0.1rc9-2 |
17:09.58 | rover | asg: same errors :( |
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17:10.14 | azreal | asg: im laughing my ass off reading these qotd's |
17:10.16 | FieldySnuts | man dhcp or dhcpcd or something |
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17:10.30 | Marticus | azreal: which quotes? |
17:10.31 | asg | azreal: yeah, there are some good ones (and some sad ones.) |
17:10.36 | rover | asg: I'm having a hard time understanding which package is causing the problem |
17:10.44 | linuxclub | motherboard asustek k8n-e socket 754 for athlon amd 64 bit |
17:10.46 | azreal | Marticus: #debian qotd's |
17:10.54 | ricky_clarkson | azreal: Enjoy lisa.txt? |
17:10.55 | asg | !info libc6 woody |
17:10.58 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.5 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB |
17:10.59 | azreal | <PROTECTED> |
17:11.10 | azreal | ricky_clarkson: hey, yeah that was an amuseing tale |
17:11.38 | ricky_clarkson | How was that page generated? |
17:11.39 | linuxclub | architecture amd 64 with possibility to simultaneosuly elaboration to 32bit and 64 bit |
17:11.45 | Kerr | i'm getting encrypted data errors in gxine trying to play a dvd i bought.. there was some lib or other i installed on my other pc to fix this but i forgot it. |
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17:12.01 | ricky_clarkson | azreal: It's ongoing. Found out that breast-cancer-patient has been after me for months. |
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17:12.08 | asg | rover: well -8 is a security update, so that should be fine. |
17:12.09 | linuxclub | technology amdù cool and quiet |
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17:12.34 | linuxclub | chipset nvidia geforce 3 |
17:12.46 | linuxclub | bus system 800 mhz |
17:13.06 | Marticus | is someone here familiar with dhcp3 client configuration and using event execs |
17:13.12 | rover | asg: If my current libc6 is broken, then apt-get wouldn't be able to install the upgrade? |
17:13.14 | asg | rover: did you use backports so you could run a 2.6 kernel on woody? |
17:13.16 | valdyn | rover: have you tried reinstalling the packages the offending files are from? |
17:13.31 | azreal | ricky_clarkson: oh man, i will keep checking back. |
17:13.48 | rover | asg: I was going to but then realized I couldn't. |
17:14.03 | linuxclub | ram 3 socket for dimm to 184 pin with support max 3 gb ram memory ddr sdram ddr400/ddr333/ddr266 ecc/not ecc un-buffered |
17:14.03 | Indal | hmm if i make a change to a lookup table with exim, would it need to re-read the table, or does it automatically just reference the file? |
17:14.16 | SlayerXP | Need to get 204MB/269MB of archives. |
17:14.21 | SlayerXP | *note to self* upgrade more often |
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17:14.39 | paulswm | azreal: the qotds are hilarious, thanks |
17:14.46 | linuxclub | expansion slot 1 for agp 8x for 1.5 volt and 5 pci |
17:14.50 | valdyn | rover: you installed a package that requires glibc2.3.... evil |
17:15.10 | ricky_clarkson | !qotd59 |
17:15.11 | dpkg | qotd59 is, like, <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
17:15.16 | rover | valdyn: It seems there are a few that do |
17:15.16 | asg | azreal: now to find a way to automatically generate the qotd fortune file (without slamming the bot.) |
17:15.24 | FieldySnuts | hah |
17:15.30 | FieldySnuts | @qotd12 |
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17:15.36 | FieldySnuts | lame |
17:15.36 | valdyn | rover: how did you manage to do that? --force-all ? |
17:15.41 | Kerr | UGH! fucking power spike. Glad i wasn't doing anything important. |
17:15.47 | rover | valdyn: no, I don't thinks so. |
17:15.56 | rpm2deb | hello people! i am new to debian and would like to know the *exact* equivalent on debian of the command rpm -qis |
17:15.59 | FieldySnuts | get a good ups. not cheap, but a whole lot cheaper than losing everything. |
17:16.05 | linuxclub | chipset 2x ultradma 133/100/66/33 2 x serial ata raid support raid 0, raid 1, raid 0 plus 1 |
17:16.12 | FieldySnuts | one with AVR (automatic voltage regulation) |
17:16.26 | valdyn | rover: i doubt backports packages would do such an evil thing |
17:16.28 | rover | valdyn: would you advise reinstalling at this point? |
17:16.41 | rpm2deb | i have to tell you that i do not use rpm on debian nor i have it installed! |
17:16.43 | rover | valdyn: I may have a testing package in there also. |
17:16.47 | Marticus | okay, I suppose I will have to dig deeper into the dhcp3 docs |
17:16.58 | asg | rpm2deb: what does rpm -qis do? |
17:17.09 | linuxclub | gibabit lan chipset ùùùùùùùùùùmarvell phy 10/100/1000 base-t ethernt |
17:17.15 | paulswm | !qotd41 |
17:17.15 | dpkg | somebody said qotd41 was <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ? |
17:17.21 | valdyn | rover: hmm, i suppose if you really didnt force packages in then you must have somehow hit a bug upgrading woody->testing |
17:17.31 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: do #12 |
17:17.45 | paulswm | !qotd12 |
17:17.45 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
17:17.54 | asg | hah |
17:17.55 | valdyn | rover: yea, reinstall is easiet, probably, just backup relevant config files |
17:17.58 | linuxclub | iee1934 controller via vt6307 support 2 ports 1394 firewire |
17:18.03 | rover | valdyn: do you know of an easy way to find the testing packages if any? |
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17:18.12 | FieldySnuts | i didn't know what it was, but that's funny |
17:18.25 | Kerr | Encrypted media stream detected Media stream scrambled/encrypted - in gxine when trying to play a dvd... help :/ ? |
17:18.33 | linuxclub | 8 doors usb 2.0 |
17:18.38 | ricky_clarkson | Oh yeah.. |
17:18.49 | valdyn | rover: hmm, there should be a quick way to do that, but i dont know it |
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17:19.06 | rpm2deb | asg: man rpm (if you have it installed on debian). However, rpm -qis will tell you the name of the package, version, compilation date, date you installed the rpm, what the rpm provides (all the files!) |
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17:19.16 | rover | ok, thanks, valdyn, asg |
17:19.21 | rpm2deb | and the url of the original developer |
17:19.24 | linuxclub | ai bios crashfree bios2 qfan 2 post reporter |
17:19.29 | joujou | I'm trying to move my linux partitions, i've copied all of the data from hdb5 to hdb7 (more room), I can't boot into the new copied installation. I've added a new entry to grub menu(with root (hd1,6) ) , but it just boots back into the old install! |
17:19.41 | valdyn | !downgrade |
17:19.41 | dpkg | downgrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
17:19.46 | asg | rover: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | egrep -i 'sarge|testing' |
17:19.53 | azreal | !qotd39 |
17:19.53 | dpkg | i guess qotd39 is <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password |
17:20.01 | azreal | i love that one! |
17:20.05 | rpm2deb | i have googled, read man pages, asked debian friends and NO ONE knows! |
17:20.18 | valdyn | rover: look at what dpkg said, maybe it can help you, i doubt that it would be easier than reinstall though |
17:20.25 | rpm2deb | it seems that not even you people! |
17:20.28 | asg | rpm2deb: there isn't a single dpkg command for that |
17:20.29 | jethro | now we have high grade lusers on #debian |
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17:20.33 | paulswm | One I love: |
17:20.34 | rpm2deb | aha! |
17:20.36 | jethro | for such qotd to exist |
17:20.37 | paulswm | !qotd82 |
17:20.37 | dpkg | <florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable? <greycat> sound? *faster*? <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks? |
17:20.38 | legis | !afaik |
17:20.38 | dpkg | i guess afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'. |
17:20.42 | jannol | ok, now it seems like it works better, I choosed sarge and only sarge as my sources |
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17:20.49 | asg | rpm2deb: apt-cache show, apt-cach policy, (if you have the deb, then dpkg -c <deb>, dpkg -f <deb>) |
17:21.02 | RichiH | !imnkatf |
17:21.03 | dpkg | somebody said imnkatf was I May Not Know All That Far |
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17:21.05 | asg | rpm2deb: no current utility (save maybe aptitude) indicates the install date on the system. |
17:21.10 | linuxclub | hard drive 200 gb sata barracuda seagate |
17:21.10 | RichiH | heh |
17:21.15 | jethro | !botabuse |
17:21.16 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
17:21.19 | jannol | asg, < thx |
17:21.21 | rover | valdyn: I think a reinstall isn't a bad option. This is an automated backup server and has all the backup data on a separate RAID device. |
17:21.29 | asg | jannol: cool, you're welcome |
17:21.44 | linuxclub | ram 2x 512mb ecc pc3200 |
17:21.51 | legis | !debian |
17:21.51 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
17:21.54 | rpm2deb | not only the date it was installed but the day it is compiled |
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17:21.58 | Marticus | RichiH it may be easier to type I may not know all that far :) |
17:22.06 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: lart rpm2deb |
17:22.08 | asg | rpm2deb: oh, apt-cache show <pkg> should tell you that |
17:22.09 | jethro | legis: /msg the bot please |
17:22.10 | Marticus | than to remember the acronym |
17:22.10 | linuxclub | svga ati 9550 agp 8x |
17:22.22 | legis | jethro: k |
17:22.23 | rpm2deb | NO itdoes not!\ |
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17:22.48 | jethro | rpm2deb: /nick alien |
17:22.51 | rover | valdyn: I wouldn't be against dist-upgrading this system to testing. Do you think that can be done without too much hassle or is it better to just reinstall? |
17:22.55 | linuxclub | sony dru 510 wr 7 read 16 |
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17:23.34 | rover | valdyn: I just realized, I'll have the same issue with the dist-upgrade |
17:23.37 | rpm2deb | jethro: what if you do not have neither rpm nor alien instaled on your box?? |
17:23.48 | thor- | My debian box is connected to a 100mb full duplex no autonegotion switch. when the machine boots it sets the card to 100mb half duplex. is there som way to get it to start with 100mb full duplex. right now I'm using mii-tool in /etc/rc2.d to set it right |
17:23.49 | linuxclub | this requirement can give me the opportunity to use any distribution about gnu/linux and other kernel; microkernel or i can have problems ? |
17:23.54 | Marticus | rpm2deb then you are sol |
17:23.59 | jethro | rpm2deb: dpkg is enough for me :) |
17:24.02 | Marticus | heh |
17:24.10 | jannol | asg, although the dist-upgrade is still workin but the output told me that following is going to be upgraded ... and there were a lot but among those I noticed a bunch of libx* |
17:24.12 | Marticus | jethro indeed |
17:24.12 | insanekane | hi ... i have a local repository for some packages ... and i need to setup apt such that, for the packages in my local repository, it wont try to install anything from other other repositories i have in my sources.list ... how can i do this ? |
17:24.12 | usr010 | i keep getting lost in windows there EVERYWHERE! |
17:24.24 | asg | rpm2deb: the changelog in /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
17:24.31 | Marticus | usr they're? |
17:24.59 | greycat | thor-: I think the "debian way" is to put your mii-tool command in an "up" line in the interface's stanza in interfaces(5) |
17:25.02 | asg | rpm2deb: the changelog.Debian.gz one, not the package changelog |
17:25.04 | rpm2deb | jethro, Marticus: that info is very important and i should be listed or be accessible with 1 command |
17:25.34 | rpm2deb | i am talkin about ALL the info the rpm -qis command gives you |
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17:26.08 | FieldySnuts | troll. |
17:26.19 | iceman | is there any way to "repair" damaged tar archives? |
17:26.26 | thor- | greycat: thx |
17:26.27 | PerfDave | rpm2deb: So write an alias to run multiple commands when you type one ;) |
17:26.33 | FieldySnuts | make a new tar out of the original data, otherwise, probably not |
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17:28.10 | rpm2deb | PerfDave: well, something like what?? |
17:28.34 | PerfDave | Something like rpm -qis? ;) |
17:29.13 | Marticus | wow... |
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17:29.46 | FieldySnuts | man bash and look for alias, or man alias, i forget which (and/or) |
17:30.22 | ricky_clarkson | !dostounix |
17:30.42 | ricky_clarkson | Any clues how to convert a text file from/to UNIX format from/to DOS? |
17:30.59 | KimHansen | Is the date a package is created saved somewhere in .deb ? |
17:31.00 | PerfDave | dos2unix, unix2dos |
17:31.01 | asg | !dos2unix |
17:31.01 | dpkg | [dos2unix] in the sysutils package, or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' <filename>, or recode, or fromdos, or tr -d \\r, or on some non-gnu systems would also (unexpectedly) convert the charset, or apt-get install flip |
17:31.03 | drp | dos2unix |
17:31.07 | paulswm | !qotd86 |
17:31.07 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
17:31.17 | rpm2deb | PerfDave: you think you're so funny or Perfeckt |
17:31.17 | jethro | mouahahahahahhaha |
17:31.20 | paulswm | brilliant |
17:31.27 | jethro | qotd86 rocks |
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17:31.54 | PerfDave | rpm2deb: Yes, yes I do. |
17:32.00 | paulswm | I keep a 2000 line history |
17:32.10 | rpm2deb | you are dellusional, buddy! |
17:32.11 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: troll rpm2deb |
17:32.20 | ywfn | does anyone know if debian can run on a medion sim2000 (my main concern are drivers for the wi-fi) but I can't find anything on google |
17:32.25 | FieldySnuts | i guess, what should we expect out of somebody trying to work with rpms. |
17:32.51 | anton | how do i do to use my cordless optical usb mouse? |
17:32.53 | rpm2deb | ravenbird, if asking questions which unnerves debianites is a troll then... |
17:32.54 | ravenbird | rpm2deb: de quoi tu parles? |
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17:33.13 | rpm2deb | je parle du rpm! |
17:33.17 | jethro | !fr |
17:33.17 | dpkg | Les personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr |
17:33.24 | jethro | rpm2deb: you are talking in french to a bot |
17:33.31 | rpm2deb | ok |
17:33.36 | jethro | I think you might want to know |
17:33.37 | FieldySnuts | jethro: lol |
17:33.38 | rpm2deb | well, english then! |
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17:33.44 | greycat | ywfn: hardware support is a kernel issue. if you can get a linux kernel to support it, you can run Debian with that linux kernel. |
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17:33.47 | asg | rpm2deb: if dpkg / apt doesn't provide the info you want, then you are sol. Solve the problem, submit a wishlist bug, etc. |
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17:34.06 | CAiRO | how can i search all mail folders in sylpheed claws at once? i've just accidently move a mail to a wrong folder and can't find it again |
17:34.09 | Mr_ClayHead | greets all |
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17:35.56 | ywfn | greycat: I can't find what kind of chip the wi-fi uses so I can't look into that...google wasn't much help I was hoping that someone in here has the computer |
17:36.19 | Kerr | Encrypted media stream detected Media stream scrambled/encrypted - in gxine when trying to play a dvd... help :/ ? |
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17:36.36 | rpm2deb | asg: you are right |
17:36.51 | PerfDave | Kerr: You need to install libdvdcss, there should be a script to do it in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread/ IIRC (or maybe libdvdnav) |
17:36.53 | rpm2deb | wishlist that is |
17:36.55 | ricky_clarkson | asg: That file doesn't work with fortune. |
17:37.09 | caphuso | asg: pretty rough, but a starting point: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/quotd |
17:37.10 | Mr_ClayHead | where can I find if a particular wifi card is supported in Woody? |
17:37.10 | asg | ricky_clarkson: you have to compile it |
17:37.13 | usr010 | im going insane trying to figure out what i have to do to host a webpage on my broadband and other services |
17:37.16 | ricky_clarkson | asg: How? |
17:37.36 | PerfDave | Mr_ClayHead: Read the Installation Manual? |
17:37.39 | usr010 | dns stuff? |
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17:37.55 | PerfDave | usr010: Run a web server, for starters. |
17:38.13 | usr010 | i think its running already |
17:38.21 | asg | ricky_clarkson: strfile |
17:38.39 | ricky_clarkson | asg: No need to swear. |
17:38.42 | ricky_clarkson | !info strfile |
17:38.44 | usr010 | if i http to 127.0.0.1 i get apaches "underconstruction" |
17:38.54 | ricky_clarkson | asg: Where's that? |
17:39.10 | asg | caphuso: I already did one (http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune) :) |
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17:39.17 | asg | caphuso: but it's at least 2 weeks out of date |
17:39.26 | usr010 | fortune |
17:39.40 | asg | ricky_clarkson: in the fortune-mod |
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17:40.02 | caphuso | asg: how did you create it? |
17:40.38 | asg | caphuso: I was bored at work so I just grabbed them from the bot (I couldn't find the database so I did it manually) |
17:40.53 | caphuso | asg: /msg dpkg your factoids |
17:40.55 | asg | caphuso: if the bot's database still exists and is updated online, I can automate the build. |
17:41.09 | caphuso | grep 'qotd[1-9]' apt_dump | sed -e 's/.*,NULL,//' -e 's/^.//' -e 's/...$//' -e "s/\\\\\([\"']\)/\1/g" -e 's/<reply> *//' -e 's/^</%\n</' -e 's/ </\n</g' | sed -e 's/^%$//g' | par dhw79 | sed -e 's/^$/%/' |
17:41.11 | asg | caphuso: yeah, they were down a few weeks back |
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17:41.35 | caphuso | if someone actually manages to understand par, it'd be even better |
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17:42.06 | Kerr | eww... BitchX |
17:42.06 | faber2 | can i move an existing bash session over to screen? |
17:42.12 | caphuso | faber2: nope |
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17:42.36 | faber2 | caphuso: damn. i want to go home and i forgot to start my test in screen |
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17:42.49 | ywfn | hey does anyone have a recommendation for small light (<5 lbs) (and hopefully cheap) laptop to run linux on..I am using a TP560 and it does mostly what I want but I would like couple of USB ports |
17:42.51 | PerfDave | faber2: disown? |
17:42.59 | ricky_clarkson | faber2: Maybe you could nohup it. |
17:43.14 | caphuso | ywfn: do you have at least one USB port? |
17:43.15 | faber2 | perfdave: ricky: how? |
17:43.38 | faber2 | it's an UPDATE in a psql session in a bash |
17:43.40 | ywfn | caphuso: No USB ports thats why I would like to upgrade |
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17:43.51 | usr010 | check newegg or tigerdirect |
17:44.03 | PerfDave | faber2: I thought the command was called "disown", but I appear to be wrong. There is something where you can suspend an already-running task, then detach it from a tty. |
17:44.09 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: Can you nohup an existing task? |
17:44.24 | caphuso | ywfn: pcmcia usb cards are probably cheaper than a new laptop |
17:44.26 | ricky_clarkson | PerfDave: You can bg an existing task, I think, maybe that helps. |
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17:44.52 | PerfDave | ricky_clarkson: No, if you bg it and log out, the login shell won't terminate until the backgrounded task does. |
17:45.09 | PerfDave | Bah, this is the sort of thing that greycat would know |
17:45.16 | caphuso | PerfDave: disown's correct |
17:45.24 | ricky_clarkson | !info disown |
17:45.27 | faber2 | ricky: yeah, ctrl-z should background it. but it is in psql, so i dont know. and this is in a ssh session in putty on windows |
17:45.31 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: bash builtin |
17:45.34 | ricky_clarkson | Ah. |
17:45.40 | klara | hello I'm creating users with the useradd command. I'm using the -g option to set the user in a first group and the -G option to set it in secondary groups but the user is just placed in the secondary group and not in the main group defined with -g |
17:46.23 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: The docs for that (Cygwin) are tricky to read. |
17:46.32 | PerfDave | caphuso: That'll be why it doesn't have a manpage of its own and isn't locatable on p.d.o ;) |
17:46.45 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: try "help disown" |
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17:47.40 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: That's the same. |
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17:47.54 | FieldySnuts | klara: try superadduser (install it), much more straightforward |
17:47.56 | PerfDave | So it should be as simple as Ctrl-Z, bg, disown, logout |
17:47.59 | caphuso | ricky_clarkson: go use a real OS ;-) |
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17:48.13 | ricky_clarkson | caphuso: I'll reboot soonish. |
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17:49.29 | tklauser | Hi |
17:49.33 | [Tiny] | hi |
17:50.02 | samuel | is there any way to find out what package contains "file" if i DONT have the package installed? |
17:50.18 | caphuso | samuel: /msg dpkg search |
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17:51.07 | samuel | caphuso, thanks |
17:51.35 | FieldySnuts | fucking badgers |
17:51.51 | travisat | !badger FieldySnuts |
17:51.52 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
17:52.00 | travisat | oops |
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17:52.52 | faber2 | samuel: packages.debian.org, or apt-file |
17:52.55 | FieldySnuts | heh owned |
17:52.58 | zarchne | hm, "cpio --create --reset-access-time --block-size=20 --file=user@host:/dev/tape --format=crc --rsh-command=/usr/bin/rsh" give segfault in new version (2.4.2-39woody1) |
17:53.43 | tklauser | I use a custom /etc/motd on my Sarge system to display some announcements etc to users. But everytime I reboot I get a version string in the first line of /etc/motd. How can I disable that? |
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17:54.48 | dud | chmod motd to 444? |
17:55.13 | whaq__ | yes http://bash.org/?455450 |
17:55.23 | Rawplayer | ?? |
17:55.43 | travisat | http://bash.org/?455450 |
17:55.52 | Rawplayer | LOLLLLLLLL |
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17:56.05 | dud | travisat, haha |
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17:56.52 | Seb | what package do I have to reconfigure to get asked the question "is the HW clock set to GMT ?" ? |
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17:57.03 | Rawplayer | date? |
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17:57.51 | Seb | Rawplayer: dude there isn't such a package |
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17:58.18 | Seb | Rawplayer: when guessing please prepend "Wild guess: " to your statement |
17:58.34 | drac | seb: are you looking possibly "tzconfig" |
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17:58.46 | Seb | drac: ah lemme see about this one |
17:58.46 | caphuso | Seb: edit /etc/default/rcS |
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17:59.24 | Seb | caphuso: ah, cool |
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17:59.30 | caphuso | easier than go through base-config again |
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17:59.51 | Seb | caphuso: you da man |
18:00.38 | tklauser | dud: Not what I really want. Isn't there a possibility to set that in a config file or so? |
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18:01.19 | dud | tklauser, not sure... ask around |
18:01.20 | cahoot | tklauser: could it be /etc/default/rcS for your need too? |
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18:02.11 | tklauser | cahoot: Cool, there's EDITMOTD |
18:02.21 | greycat | tklauser: there's a boot script (/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh) which changes the contents of motd. Edit that. |
18:02.44 | greycat | ah... or that :) |
18:02.51 | tklauser | I set it to "no", so I think the message will go away then. |
18:02.56 | klara | FieldySnuts: But why does the useradd programm not work ? |
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18:02.59 | tklauser | Thanks folks! |
18:03.03 | greycat | tklauser: bootmisc.sh is quite clear. just read it. |
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18:03.46 | ionrock | how do you get something to start when the system boots up? I specifically want to run ntp-server and ntpdate when my computer starts |
18:03.56 | greycat | ionrock: apt-get install ntp-server ntpdate |
18:04.06 | tklauser | greycat: EDITMOTD is ther too. So I set it also to "no", just to be sure. ;) |
18:04.27 | greycat | tklauser: I meant, bootmisc.sh tells you precisely what EDITMOTD does, since it's the script that uses it :) |
18:04.38 | ionrock | greycat: I already have the packages, I just want to start them when I boot up |
18:04.46 | tklauser | greycat: Ah, I see. Yes, it does edit /etc/motd |
18:04.48 | greycat | ionrock: then you're done. |
18:04.58 | travisat | ionrock: they set themselves to boot |
18:05.00 | ionrock | instead of having to do /etc/init.d/ntp-server start |
18:05.11 | ionrock | hmm |
18:05.14 | zlost1 | ive tried doint append="xmodule=radeon" and tried re running xf86config, but i cant get the framebuffer to change, x is still in 1024x768@76 hx, and it doesnt seem to change anything. chromium still runs like crap |
18:05.30 | ionrock | is anything in /etc/init.d/ started at boot time? |
18:05.40 | paulswm | ionrock: if it's in /etc/init.d, make sure it's linked to an S script in runlevel 2 |
18:05.46 | greycat | ionrock: no. read /etc/init.d/README and man update-rc.d |
18:05.54 | ionrock | k, thanks |
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18:06.04 | ionrock | that will get me started, I appreciate the help |
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18:07.28 | greycat | GACK. It's getting worse. I got 9 stupid "user ___ is on vacation/does not exist/is sick of being spammed" replies to my latest submission to the secureshell list. |
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18:07.57 | greycat | (in at least 3 different languages) |
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18:09.36 | Seb | greycat: well at least you get to practicve foreign languages a bit ;) |
18:09.39 | FieldySnuts | i got kicked off a list for asking a moderator to take them off, his reasoning was that getting such replies is expected on lists. idiot. |
18:09.55 | FieldySnuts | more like moderator lazyness is expected |
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18:10.32 | greycat | it's particularly disgusting on moderated lists like secureshell. |
18:10.53 | FieldySnuts | on another list, samba I think, 290 posts were made by one person in a flood, before a moderator got to it. of course, my measly 2 posts ever always got turned down. |
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18:12.17 | greycat | the moderators always refuse to take action on my short answers. So I always have to 'g'-reply to make sure the original querent sees the reply. |
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18:12.34 | greycat | I think they just count lines, and if there's more than 3 lines, they accept it. |
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18:13.26 | FieldySnuts | i think it was the same samba list that had major problems with spam on the list for months maybe more. compilaining about it was grounds for instant removal off the list. |
18:13.28 | FieldySnuts | jerks. |
18:14.11 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: complaining about spam on lists gets old though... so it's not that surprising |
18:14.14 | greycat | spam's hard to deal with. But sane mailing list managers should automatically handle the case where a subscribed addresses bounces, using VERPs. Sheesh. |
18:14.38 | weasel | I think debian should adopt the same policy |
18:14.39 | FieldySnuts | if whoever's running it had a clue you wouldn't get the spam in the first place. a few sure, but in this case well over 60% of the postings were spam |
18:14.54 | FieldySnuts | but at the same time, not my list, volunteers, i'll jump off if I'm annoyed enough |
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18:15.04 | weasel | people complaining about spam are even more annoying than spam itself, which is easily filtered out locally if it makes it thourgh on the server side |
18:15.19 | FieldySnuts | end users of the list shouldn't even have to do that. |
18:15.19 | dondelelcaro | weasel: or at least ignored manually... |
18:15.20 | FieldySnuts | anyway bbl |
18:15.37 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: well, ideally you'll block a lot of it (which Debian does, FE) but there's always going to be some that gets through |
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18:16.00 | FieldySnuts | see my statement above about 60%) be back later |
18:16.32 | zlost1 | does xmodule=radeon go in append= ? |
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18:18.27 | BleSS | hi! i would replace kudzu to discover, but i've some dudes. kudzu can detect the video card (lspci too) and its MODULE for xorg, discover can know what module to the video card?? |
18:18.28 | ricky_clarkson | That's a lame quit message, 1264. |
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18:19.19 | greycat | BleSS: you're not even running Debian. |
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18:19.56 | BleSS | green_earz, no, but it is for a live-cd |
18:20.04 | greycat | and you can't type. |
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18:20.28 | BleSS | greycat, no, but it is for a live-cd |
18:20.32 | paulswm | heh |
18:20.40 | greycat | and you don't take hints ;-) |
18:20.48 | azreal | is it possible to split a large avi or mpeg say 1.2 gigs into pieces to fit on multiple cd's with the idea in mind of putting them back together at some point? |
18:20.56 | greycat | azreal: man split; man cat |
18:21.18 | weasel | FieldySnuts, dondelelcaro: only about 3.5% of mail sent to the list make it to the subscribers. the rest is spam and filtered by the listmasters. |
18:21.21 | azreal | greycat: i know about split, but wont it screw up the video stream? |
18:21.35 | weasel | (just in case you want to be bored with numbers) |
18:21.58 | greycat | azreal: yes, it will. |
18:22.18 | azreal | greycat: i used to split large archives alot, but i seem to remember it messing up videos files |
18:22.20 | greycat | azreal: you DID NOT SAY YOU WANTED EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE TO BE A VALID MPEG FILE DURING THE DATA TRANSFER. |
18:22.52 | greycat | you only said you wanted to split it apart and then put it back together. |
18:22.54 | azreal | greycat: that would have been included in the part about putting it back together later |
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18:23.05 | greycat | IT WILL BE FINE WHEN YOU CAT IT BACK TOGETHER. |
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18:23.09 | paulswm | azreal: then split is fine |
18:23.21 | azreal | greycat: ok, dont have a cow |
18:23.22 | greycat | resiak: what caps? |
18:23.29 | azreal | thanx |
18:23.42 | resiak | greycat: There was never any caps. greycat was always in lowercase. |
18:23.53 | greycat | we have always been at war with Eurasia |
18:24.16 | tarzeau | who were my mirrors of the gnustep live cd in here? |
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18:25.18 | tarzeau | bob2, greycat, helix i made a new version - la la laa |
18:25.19 | Glitters | where to download the debian? |
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18:25.37 | greycat | Glitters: /msg dpkg d-i |
18:25.39 | helix | tarzeau: a new version of..? |
18:25.44 | greycat | tarzeau: I didn't mirror the GNUstep stuff |
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18:25.52 | tarzeau | helix: GNUSTEP LIVE CD :) |
18:25.54 | helix | oh, neither did I |
18:25.55 | tarzeau | greycat: i know |
18:26.01 | greycat | I don't even use GNUstep |
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18:26.48 | abrotman | !badger badger |
18:26.49 | dpkg | ENOUGH |
18:26.52 | abrotman | :( |
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18:27.03 | resiak | !lose abrotman |
18:27.04 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
18:27.06 | greycat | we don't need no steenking badgers! |
18:27.08 | abrotman | yeah .. i know ... |
18:27.10 | paulswm | !beat abrotman |
18:27.15 | abrotman | yay |
18:27.18 | abrotman | i deserve it |
18:27.19 | Di42lo`` | how can i see *.deb files source ? |
18:27.24 | greycat | Di42lo``: /msg dpkg source |
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18:27.36 | Di42lo`` | thx |
18:27.55 | sussudio | !texugo badger |
18:27.56 | dpkg | badger: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee! |
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18:28.26 | Thumann | yo... anyone played around with SVGATextMode and /etc/TextConfig |
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18:28.45 | Glitters | is it only 107MB ?? |
18:28.45 | dcell | I am compiling from source (got the source using apt-get source <package>), using dpkg-buildpackage. Where are the options for compile set, are they <package_dir>/debian/configure.options ? I know this seems to be the obvious place, I just don't want to take this for granted. |
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18:28.52 | greycat | Glitters: it's a net install image. |
18:28.55 | Di42lo`` | greycat <dpkg> wish i knew |
18:28.56 | Di42lo`` | :| |
18:29.03 | abrotman | greycat: or did he mean .. where he got the package from? |
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18:29.06 | greycat | Di42lo``: /msg dpkg source |
18:29.08 | sussudio | !source |
18:29.08 | dpkg | Use 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list. Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc. The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied. -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir. Don't forget to install debhelper! |
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18:29.17 | Glitters | like the live CD of gentoo? |
18:29.19 | greycat | abrotman: god only knows. |
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18:29.26 | greycat | Glitters: no. not like gentoo. |
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18:30.05 | Di42lo`` | greycat oh no...you didnt understand my question.. |
18:30.08 | Glitters | how long does it take to install the debian in my laptop? |
18:30.24 | Di42lo`` | greycat i have a *.deb patch here and i need to know what he does |
18:30.34 | paulswm | Glitters: you dowload the netinstall image, burn it, boot off the CD and the installer will guide you through the process. |
18:30.46 | paulswm | Glitters: depends on your laptop |
18:30.47 | resiak | Glitters: Do you have a fast internet connection? |
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18:31.04 | Glitters | i need to know how much time does it take! |
18:31.11 | Glitters | because gentoo almost takes forever |
18:31.17 | resiak | It's not Gentoo! |
18:31.18 | Glitters | and i got no plenty time for installation |
18:31.22 | paulswm | Glitters: what's the CPU speed and memory on your laptop |
18:31.23 | Glitters | i KNOW |
18:31.24 | resiak | Glitters: How fast is your internet connection? |
18:31.32 | greycat | Di42lo``: make sense or else. |
18:31.38 | Glitters | the inetrnet is fast enough... |
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18:31.43 | Di42lo`` | greycat huh? |
18:31.51 | resiak | Glitters: Because it downloads what you need from the net as you install |
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18:31.57 | BleSS | discover can detect the xorg module for your video card? |
18:31.57 | ricky_clarkson | Glitters: You could have been 40% through installing it now, if you had installed it instead of joining #debian |
18:31.59 | Glitters | my laptop is DELL Latitude505 |
18:32.04 | azreal | Di42lo``: are you trying to list the contents of the .deb? |
18:32.06 | resiak | Glitters: How long would downloading, say, 1.2GB take? |
18:32.06 | paulswm | Glitters: what's the CPU speed and memory on your laptop, and what is your internet download speed |
18:32.14 | Snadder | anyone know a good howto/faw about how to get a wireless networking card working in debian? |
18:32.19 | Snadder | faq* |
18:32.24 | resiak | BleSS: Debian doesn't use Xorg. |
18:32.35 | Glitters | wow... |
18:32.38 | resiak | Snadder: What card? |
18:32.40 | Glitters | well it takes time.. |
18:32.46 | BleSS | resiak, o xfree |
18:32.50 | Glitters | internet speed about 75/kb |
18:32.56 | Glitters | per second ofcourse |
18:33.02 | asg | Snadder: apt-get install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man iwconfig |
18:33.05 | Di42lo`` | azreal no...i have deb patch file...and i need to know what he does |
18:33.06 | paulswm | Glitters: then it's going to take you several hours |
18:33.18 | greycat | *PLONK* |
18:33.23 | Glitters | i can wait... |
18:33.30 | dcell | dpkg, does it matter if I apt-get source package_name first and then apt-get build-dep package_name? |
18:33.31 | Daffy-PKF | re |
18:33.32 | dpkg | dcell: You are moron #4 |
18:33.35 | Glitters | but i cant stay long infront of the computer.. |
18:33.40 | azreal | Di42lo``: hmm, no idea, look at the patch with less or zless, and read what files its trying to change... |
18:33.47 | resiak | Glitters: You don't need to supervise it. |
18:34.00 | Di42lo`` | azreal but its binary file :| |
18:34.04 | paulswm | Glitters: once you have done the initial setup, you can leave it to do the package downloads |
18:34.11 | dcell | does it matter if I apt-get source package_name first and then apt-get build-dep package_name? |
18:34.11 | resiak | Di42lo``: zless foo.deb |
18:34.18 | resiak | dcell: No. |
18:34.29 | resiak | dcell: You have to apt-get build-dep foo before you build it, though. |
18:34.33 | azreal | Di42lo``: type "file nameofthepatchfile" and tell me what it says. |
18:34.47 | greycat | azreal: wanna bet he refuses to do that? |
18:34.55 | dcell | resiak, thanks |
18:35.01 | Di42lo`` | azreal: squirrelmail_1.2.6-2_all.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0), uses gzip compression created: Wed Dec 31 16:00:00 1969 |
18:35.12 | resiak | Di42lo``: Now use zless nameoffile |
18:35.12 | Di42lo`` | ah |
18:35.24 | azreal | Di42lo``: thats not a patch, its a .deb file |
18:35.31 | resiak | Di42lo``: That's not a patch. That's just a version of squirrelmail. |
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18:35.43 | Glitters | paulswm: and is it a good oss to set on laptops? |
18:35.46 | asg | resiak: the one for woody that updates the recent vulnerabilities |
18:35.47 | Di42lo`` | its a patch of squirrelmail. |
18:36.07 | azreal | Di42lo``: patches are usually text or gzipped text |
18:36.41 | Di42lo`` | so how can i see what this binary do ? |
18:36.41 | resiak | Glitters: Sarge is fantastic on my laptop, FWIW. |
18:36.44 | Snadder | resiak, a topcom 11mbit pcmcia wirless card |
18:36.45 | azreal | Di42lo``: no... it could be a patched version of it though, that someone else built. |
18:36.49 | wekkel | I now run Debian Sarge weekly build (Bittorrent) on a P166mmx :X |
18:36.49 | asg | Di42lo``: where did you get it? |
18:36.50 | resiak | Snadder: FGI |
18:36.57 | paulswm | Glitters: I have sarge running on a tiny old laptop (166 MHZ Pentium MMX, 32MB memory, 2GB HD), if it'll run on that it'll run on anything made since 1997. It is fine for your laptop. |
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18:37.11 | greycat | there was a recent squirrelmail DSA. Maybe he downloaded it manually instead of using apt. |
18:37.17 | asg | greycat: probably |
18:37.23 | ricky_clarkson | Di42lo``: OMG! It's a frickin' VIRUS! USE apt-get instead!! lolol!!!1111 |
18:37.24 | wekkel | it takes 5 minutes to start up, but, hee, its working ;) |
18:37.26 | Snadder | resiak, whats with FGI? |
18:37.28 | asg | greycat: or he's running sarge (or *shudder* sid) and got the wrong one |
18:37.31 | resiak | Snadder: Google it. |
18:37.32 | ricky_clarkson | Just trying to speak teh lingo. |
18:37.41 | Snadder | resiak, ok. thanks |
18:37.45 | Glitters | sarge = debian? |
18:37.48 | resiak | Snadder: See if it needs non-free drivers. If not, the instructions that you were given probably work. If so, read around. |
18:37.52 | wekkel | he he |
18:37.55 | resiak | Glitters: Sarge is one version of Debian. |
18:37.56 | ricky_clarkson | Sarge is the 'testing' version of Debian. |
18:38.06 | resiak | Glitters: It's the one you should use. |
18:38.20 | paulswm | Glitters: sarge is the version which you are downloading, and is the most suitable |
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18:38.47 | dcell | Glitters, there is woody (stable), sarge (testing), and sid (unstable) |
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18:39.26 | asg | caphuso: that pipeline will do the trick (though it catches simonrvn's !qotd94, which may or may not be wanted). What did you mean when you mentioned 'par' ? |
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18:39.53 | BleSS | i know that discover can detect the video card (lspci too), but and the xfree module? |
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18:40.31 | dav89 | dd |
18:40.33 | caphuso | asg: check the factoid with <overclocker>, you'll notice some stupid trailing ? |
18:40.34 | dav89 | hello |
18:41.03 | azreal | !qotd77 |
18:41.03 | dpkg | Klipper| i still cant find SHIT on booing from fleppy with sarge! |
18:41.20 | caphuso | asg: and i have no idea how to get par to not do that, because i don't understand at all what the documentation tries to tell me :-( |
18:41.27 | kaiowa | how could i rescue debian, if my diskkete is failed and i have no knoppix or other live distro??? |
18:41.27 | dav89 | hello, does everyone use ipv6 with debian?? |
18:41.44 | asg | caphuso: right, okay. I'll noodle around with it then. |
18:41.49 | caphuso | asg: good luck |
18:41.55 | crypt | dav89 donwload and configure tspc |
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18:41.58 | travisat | dav89: I don't |
18:42.00 | Glitters | paulswm: damn but i hate beta versions! |
18:42.02 | asg | caphuso: :) something to do during the dpt. meeting here in a bit. |
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18:42.05 | dav89 | what is it? |
18:42.14 | caphuso | asg: hehe |
18:42.18 | nostromo^ | what is the ".bash_profile" of a graphical (gdm) login? |
18:42.26 | dav89 | crypt: what is tspc? |
18:42.27 | crypt | tunnel ipv6 ipv4 to freenet6 |
18:42.31 | resiak | kaiowa: How is it broken? |
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18:42.31 | paulswm | Glitters: it isn't really. I've been running the testing distro for years without problems. |
18:42.33 | Pierre_ | hi all |
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18:42.38 | dav89 | and what is it freenet6? |
18:42.41 | dav89 | how does it work? |
18:42.44 | greycat | ~/.gnomerc |
18:42.44 | apt | ~/.gnomerc is the startup file for gdm, or <hippie> .gnomerc looks like it's pronounced "no mercy", or set the DEBUG_GNOME_SESSION variable to make ~/.gnomerc act sane |
18:42.55 | dav89 | does it translate my ipv4 address on ipv6 address,doesn't it? |
18:43.03 | nostromo^ | thanks |
18:43.11 | kaiowa | when i tried to load with it, it said that disk failed.... |
18:43.11 | Glitters | paulswm and what kind of work you do on it? |
18:43.19 | kaiowa | diskete failed |
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18:43.22 | crypt | no it use ipv6 net + mac address |
18:43.40 | Pierre_ | I am new to Linux and I realy like it just one problem I cannot get my user to use kppp only the root can |
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18:43.57 | dav89 | crypt: does it translate my ipv4 address on ipv6 address,doesn't it? |
18:43.58 | resiak | Pierre_: Hi again :) |
18:44.09 | Pierre_ | how can I fix this problem |
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18:44.30 | azreal | Pierre_: add yourself to group dip |
18:44.32 | abrotman | Pierre_: did you add your user to the dial group .. or whatever it's called? |
18:44.35 | abrotman | yeah .. dip :) |
18:44.51 | resiak | Bah, I thought it was dialout. |
18:44.53 | resiak | !lose me |
18:44.54 | dpkg | resiak: You Lose. |
18:45.01 | paulswm | Glitters: desktop, program and database development, file server, DHCP and DNS server, etc, 3 machines running sarge at the moment |
18:45.04 | resiak | kaiowa: The hard disk? |
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18:45.42 | Pierre_ | will try it |
18:45.43 | Glitters | paulswm: cool |
18:45.53 | chugga_ | what do i need to do to run su'd X apps from a user started xterm |
18:46.19 | greycat | chugga_: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
18:46.19 | kaiowa | no floppy disk rescue |
18:46.32 | ricky_clarkson | !strfry |
18:47.01 | kaiowa | but ive installed xp and now i havent live distro and my floppy rescue disk is failed |
18:47.18 | kaiowa | ive only the woody cd installation |
18:47.23 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: rube goldberg install? |
18:47.24 | ravenbird | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
18:48.13 | paulswm | Glitters: :) |
18:48.36 | drp | is there a command to allow me to see lan printers |
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18:48.43 | green_earz | Pierre_: adduser username dip > adduser username dialout |
18:48.53 | greycat | drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" |
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18:49.09 | greycat | substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator |
18:49.53 | drp | lol |
18:50.04 | travisat | lol! |
18:50.23 | travisat | !lol |
18:50.24 | dpkg | from memory, lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
18:50.44 | Glitters | hehe |
18:50.58 | Glitters | ROFL |
18:51.06 | Glitters | :> |
18:51.29 | FieldySnuts | oh good sussudios buddy rpm2deb left |
18:51.29 | drp | !rofl |
18:51.29 | dpkg | methinks rofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian |
18:51.33 | FieldySnuts | err |
18:51.40 | Glitters | hhhhhhh |
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18:51.49 | ricky_clarkson | !literal rofl |
18:51.49 | dpkg | rofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian |
18:51.49 | Glitters | i love lesbians |
18:51.58 | Glitters | my ultimate sexual orientation :D |
18:52.02 | FieldySnuts | next topic |
18:52.02 | ricky_clarkson | Glitters: You would, Gary. |
18:52.02 | Pierre_ | I cannot find a file called dialout |
18:52.26 | greycat | Pierre_: "pon" |
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18:52.50 | GrayDragon | hello. i'm thinking of buying debian on CD, but is there a risk of losing files from Win98 when I install debian? |
18:53.02 | GrayDragon | or is it totally safe? |
18:53.09 | resiak | GrayDragon: Buying from where? |
18:53.09 | Glitters | not tottaly :P |
18:53.12 | green_earz | Pierre_: its a group cat /etc/group |
18:53.22 | drp | you can buy it from me :o |
18:53.24 | Glitters | i thought its one of the free softwares |
18:53.25 | greycat | he doesn't want to be in the dialout group. |
18:53.28 | greycat | that's for minicom |
18:53.31 | GrayDragon | well, i was going to find a vendor |
18:53.37 | Pierre_ | "pon" i got |
18:53.42 | greycat | if he just wants to run "pon" or the drooling-cretin GUI version thereof, that's the "dip" group |
18:53.59 | GrayDragon | all i really need to know is if there is a risk of losing files |
18:54.27 | Glitters | GrayDragon you shouldnt be buying it, its free, dunno maybe you're buying the documents? additional programs? |
18:54.33 | GrayDragon | no |
18:54.43 | GrayDragon | i'm buying it on a CD becuase i can't d/l it |
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18:54.49 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you there |
18:54.59 | Glitters | GrayDragon buy it from where!? |
18:55.02 | abrotman | sort of .. why? |
18:55.12 | GrayDragon | I don't know yet |
18:55.16 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: can I msg you? |
18:55.18 | GrayDragon | i just need to know if it's safe |
18:55.22 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: yes |
18:55.30 | Glitters | yeah its safe |
18:55.38 | Glitters | i got both linux and windows on the same hd |
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18:55.45 | GrayDragon | becuase my parents have all of their finacial stuff on my computer |
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18:55.56 | GrayDragon | and they don't want it to get deleted |
18:55.57 | Phated | Back it up? |
18:56.02 | Glitters | well dont worry |
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18:56.06 | FieldySnuts | if you are unsure, make backups. i fyou can't make backups, and aren't sure, don't do it. |
18:56.16 | GrayDragon | i would back it up if i knew there wasn't a chance of losing win98 |
18:56.33 | Glitters | and recommend your parents to start using linux :) |
18:56.37 | GrayDragon | ya |
18:56.39 | GrayDragon | lol |
18:56.40 | drp | o_P |
18:56.44 | erik | I'm sitting on my newly installed debian (sid). And i want gfx interface. But i can't find x.org with apt-get. ist x.org there ? |
18:56.45 | FieldySnuts | best bet is to get an additional hard drive, and play on that |
18:56.48 | GrayDragon | i told them to but they don't want to use something new... |
18:56.51 | GrayDragon | :P |
18:56.52 | Phated | WTF? You should back up your data whether you know you'll lose it or not. |
18:57.00 | FieldySnuts | amen |
18:57.02 | Glitters | well only they're worry about their financial situation :P |
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18:57.11 | GrayDragon | lol |
18:57.15 | drp | Phated, indeed |
18:57.18 | Phated | And... what, you can't back that up? |
18:57.18 | GrayDragon | ok. i'll look around a bit more |
18:57.21 | GrayDragon | thx tho |
18:57.29 | RuffianSoldier | anyone want to see my desktop screeny? |
18:57.35 | GrayDragon | i do |
18:57.36 | Glitters | me |
18:57.38 | RuffianSoldier | http://img205.exs.cx/img205/8260/screenshot0js.jpg |
18:57.45 | drp | pck me pick me |
18:57.51 | Pierre_ | had a look"dip:x:30:jouberp" |
18:57.53 | FieldySnuts | herh |
18:58.15 | paulswm | Phated: ! :D |
18:58.17 | FieldySnuts | owie, fof woman |
18:58.18 | FieldySnuts | off |
18:58.22 | Phated | Hello, paulswm. |
18:58.27 | Phated | FieldySnuts: :) |
18:58.35 | Glitters | oh you got a network |
18:58.36 | Doat | i cant establish an internet connection with debian. i conffed it with pppoeconf but it doesnt work. plog gives: Feb 4 19:57:55 localhost pppd[8230]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP |
18:58.38 | Glitters | :D kewl |
18:58.43 | RuffianSoldier | :) |
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18:58.59 | GrayDragon | also, do ALL linux programs run on debian or only debian specific ones? |
18:59.09 | erik | I'm sitting on my newly installed debian (sid). And i want gfx interface. But i can't find x.org with apt-get. ist x.org there ?? :| |
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18:59.18 | resiak | erik: No, it's not. |
18:59.22 | greycat | GrayDragon: all |
18:59.26 | resiak | erik: x-window-system-core is what you want. |
18:59.30 | GrayDragon | ok |
18:59.31 | resiak | erik: And why are you on Sid? |
18:59.32 | GrayDragon | thx |
18:59.40 | erik | this is desktop pc |
18:59.46 | Flimzy | GrayDragon: All Linux programs run on all Linux distributions. |
18:59.55 | Glitters | RuffianSoldier good i see you disabled the file and printer sharing ;) |
19:00.01 | GrayDragon | ok |
19:00.01 | resiak | erik: Yeah, so? |
19:00.05 | erik | resiak: should i be on sarge ? |
19:00.08 | Flimzy | GrayDragon: With a very few rare exceptions (thanks to idiot programmers who can't write portable code) |
19:00.20 | resiak | erik: Sid is for developers and people who can deal with breaking things and are experienced with Debian. |
19:00.37 | GrayDragon | erik said he didn't have a gfx interface... debian doesn't have one by defualt? |
19:00.42 | FieldySnuts | redhat is fubar that's why. |
19:00.44 | BleSS | i know that discover can detect the video card (lspci too), but and the xfree module? |
19:00.47 | resiak | GrayDragon: If you don't install one, then you won't have one. |
19:00.52 | resiak | GrayDragon: If you do, you will. |
19:00.53 | Glitters | RuffianSoldier how many computers involving your network? |
19:01.00 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: I was kidding. |
19:01.03 | GrayDragon | but does it come with one to install? |
19:01.04 | FieldySnuts | hehe ok |
19:01.04 | resiak | GrayDragon: You get the choice during the installation, as you would expect. |
19:01.13 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: A (perhaps poor) attempt at self-depreciating humor (note the previous statement I made) |
19:01.15 | GrayDragon | ok |
19:01.18 | GrayDragon | good |
19:01.22 | GrayDragon | thx. i'm gonna go now |
19:01.25 | GrayDragon | :P |
19:01.25 | GrayDragon | bye |
19:01.30 | FieldySnuts | good luck, USE BACKUPS |
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19:01.40 | resiak | FieldySnuts: We can only hope. |
19:01.41 | Phated | FFS |
19:01.48 | FieldySnuts | why do I get the sense that he'l fark it up, and come back here blaming us. |
19:01.49 | paulswm | Flimzy: yes, I resisted the temptation to take the bait about portable code :) |
19:02.01 | Phated | Why would you -only- back up if you -kmnew- you weren't going to lose the existing OS? |
19:02.10 | resiak | "OMFG U GUYS SUX, MY RENTS LOTS AL TH31R STFUF." |
19:02.10 | drp | not sure |
19:02.25 | abrotman | Phated: you are alive! |
19:02.31 | Phated | I've been told. |
19:02.45 | Flimzy | paulswm: hehe |
19:02.46 | FieldySnuts | i like what my damn windows boss did here the other day; mounted a 1.7TB windows share on a linux machine, with 828GB used. my backup scripts ran, parsing that, filling the backup server drives, causing all further backups to fail |
19:02.50 | FieldySnuts | </rant> |
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19:03.12 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: seems you have faulty backup scripts. |
19:03.36 | FieldySnuts | if he'd told me he'd done that, i would have excluded it. |
19:03.41 | joebob2000 | the better question is who doesnt have a spare 800gb on their backup medium |
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19:03.45 | Doat | i cant establish an internet connection with debian. i conffed it with pppoeconf but it doesnt work. plog gives: Feb 4 19:57:55 localhost pppd[8230]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP |
19:03.49 | joebob2000 | looozah |
19:03.56 | Flimzy | FieldySnuts: you could automatically exclude remote FSs |
19:03.59 | FieldySnuts | not my decision, i don't hold the purse strings |
19:04.39 | Glitters | FieldySnuts from where did you got your vhost? |
19:04.40 | abrotman | Phated: you don't like candy bars ? |
19:04.41 | FieldySnuts | Flimzy: no there are some, that i in fact do want backed up, point being he did shit without telling me (i'm responsible for the linux systems) |
19:04.57 | FieldySnuts | further point being I just wanted to bitch and whine, so with that done... |
19:04.57 | Phated | abrotman: I'm watching my waist. Bad for you, don'tcha know. |
19:05.01 | Pierre_ | c u all later |
19:05.07 | FieldySnuts | Phated: heh mean |
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19:05.16 | paulswm | wow, FieldySnuts ranting, there's an unusual event |
19:05.18 | paulswm | heh |
19:05.18 | abrotman | Phated: no that have those flavinoid thingies in chocolate .. good for heart or something |
19:05.36 | FieldySnuts | speaking of failed backups, a remote one just failed brb |
19:05.47 | Phated | FieldySnuts: <shrug> Note that it was meant with extreme irony. I'having mushroom and seafood soup. |
19:05.53 | FieldySnuts | phew no it didn't |
19:06.03 | Phated | abrotman: Yeah, plus all that great sugar stuff. I'll pass. |
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19:06.22 | abrotman | Phated: an apple? |
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19:06.50 | paulswm | abrotman: Mac? |
19:06.55 | Phated | No thanks. |
19:07.15 | abrotman | Phated: money? .. i've got money!! |
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19:07.39 | Phated | I'm quite capable of obtaining my own currency, thank you. |
19:07.50 | Phated | If you want, you can ship me a couple sticks of RAM. |
19:07.55 | Glitters | does anyone knows where can i get a reliable shell that gives their users the ability to bounce connection from the shell, plus to other stuff..? |
19:08.09 | Glitters | -FREE shells, i got no money :P |
19:08.09 | Berlin | Help! I've got open Ports and don't know what they do. So I'm asking you for help ;) 53/tcp open domain and 783/tcp open hp-alarm-mgr are open. What do they do ? |
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19:08.13 | Flimzy | Glitters: 127.0.0.1? :P |
19:08.15 | GrayDragon | ok, i must sound like a complete idiot, but i'm new to linux. I've see debian sites mentioning "KDE". IS KDE one of the interface options? |
19:08.24 | GrayDragon | *seen |
19:08.30 | abrotman | !kde |
19:08.30 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.3.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details. for woody check out http://www.apt-get.org/, or not a window manager |
19:08.30 | greycat | Berlin: /msg dpkg open ports |
19:08.33 | Flimzy | Glitters: What exactly do you need this shell for? |
19:08.34 | Phated | Glitters: Good. Cheap. Fast. Choose two. |
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19:08.58 | Glitters | Berlin you better google it... google will tell you exactly what every port means |
19:09.01 | greycat | Phated: two? more like one. |
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19:09.12 | GrayDragon | ok. i guess it is then. |
19:09.15 | Phated | greycat: Well... :) |
19:09.20 | resiak | GrayDragon: It's a desktop environment. Other DEs include XFce, GNUstep and GNOME, or you can use a stand-alone window manager like Fluxbox |
19:09.21 | greycat | Glitters: *wrong*. |
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19:09.32 | Phated | Pah, ports are arbitrary. |
19:09.37 | greycat | Glitters: he's reading fucking *nmap* output, so he has *no idea* what's actually running on each port. |
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19:09.41 | GrayDragon | so KDE is just an "addon" |
19:09.46 | Berlin | Glitters: Ok I gonna do but... I think here are experts ;) |
19:09.50 | GrayDragon | to the regualr debian interface |
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19:10.00 | GrayDragon | *regular |
19:10.10 | Flimzy | GrayDragon: There is no "regular Debian interface" |
19:10.11 | drp | debian is an o/s |
19:10.12 | FieldySnuts | HEHE one of my systems just ran out of ram and swap. |
19:10.17 | FieldySnuts | oh well, die. |
19:10.18 | Phated | Thers is no "Debian interface". GrayDragon: Find a Linux book and read it, please. |
19:10.19 | Flimzy | GrayDragon: Just like there is no "regular" color for a car |
19:10.24 | GrayDragon | i mean whatever interface you install |
19:10.25 | greycat | GrayDragon: everything is optional except for the stuff that's in the 110 netinstall ISO of the MB sarge base system |
19:10.32 | FieldySnuts | yes, ladies and gents, welcome to the world of ghetto serving |
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19:10.54 | Flimzy | GrayDragon: KDE is one of the options for the interface. |
19:10.55 | Phated | Welcome... To the world of the FieldySnuts. </reverb> |
19:11.05 | GrayDragon | ok. thx. that's all i needed |
19:11.11 | dbron | Hi all, mailman stopped delivering on my woody box after an update, it doesn't appear to be trying to deliver queued jobs, was there a security problem? I see qrunner commented out in cron.d/mailman, /usr/share/doc doesn't seem to have any information about it. |
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19:11.31 | Glitters | Berlin: there are none-limits of ports out there... how do you expect that we know them all |
19:11.35 | Flimzy | GrayDragon: To be more accurate, KDE is one of the Desktop Environments. You can choose 0 or more Desktop Environments to install. |
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19:12.07 | Berlin | Ok I've got on port 53/tcp open. Its for DNS but do I really need it. And how could I deactivate id ? |
19:12.13 | Flimzy | I guess he's gone |
19:12.23 | Flimzy | Berlin: Do you have bind running? |
19:12.43 | Glitters | Flimzy: well everyone needs a shell :P |
19:12.55 | Glitters | for a reason or another... |
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19:13.27 | Berlin | Flimzy: pstree tells me there is no bind. just named. |
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19:13.58 | azreal | hmm, i just discovered you can search in mozilla with "/" |
19:14.06 | resiak | !win azreal |
19:14.06 | dpkg | Congratulations, azreal! You have won the US presidency! |
19:14.08 | Flimzy | Glitters: Nah. My friend used to run X with no WM at all... just mplayer, at startup, in single-user mode, when he had an old PC incapable of playing high quality video streams with anything else running :) |
19:14.15 | boow | nice to know |
19:14.18 | Flimzy | Berlin: named is bind |
19:14.23 | Glitters | Berlin: you can run netstat -n (with or without the -n , if you are on windows) this will tell you what connections are you using right now |
19:14.26 | Flimzy | Berlin: If you don't need to run a DNS server, then remove named. Problem solvee |
19:14.29 | Flimzy | s/solvee/solved/ |
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19:14.34 | azreal | oh, its search as you type, ive allways used find in page |
19:14.35 | esher | hi |
19:14.51 | esher | how can i disable some installed packages from apt that there never be updated again (ignore) when i do command apt-get upgrade ? |
19:15.04 | resiak | esher: Firstly, why? |
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19:15.11 | resiak | esher: Secondly, you need to look into pinning. |
19:15.41 | esher | ive done some selfmade qmail install, and apt wanna try to upgrade exim and other tools, that i dont need anymore |
19:15.46 | esher | pinning ? |
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19:16.02 | Glitters | Flimzy: anyways, do you know where to find free reliable shells? |
19:16.08 | valex | Q: Is there an equivalent of our 'kernel-package' for other rpm based distos? |
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19:16.14 | Glitters | one of the reasons i need it is, vhost... |
19:16.16 | Flimzy | Glitters: "free reliable shells" is an oxymoron |
19:16.23 | Glitters | maybe later i'll run a small apache on it |
19:16.24 | Flimzy | Glitters: But what exactly do you need it for? |
19:16.41 | Flimzy | vhost what? |
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19:16.55 | Glitters | Flimzy dont really know what for exactly... i might need one later |
19:17.00 | Berlin | Flimzy: And how could I tell debian to disable starting bind on boot ? |
19:17.07 | Flimzy | Glitters: You want a free shell and you don't know why? |
19:17.09 | Glitters | vhost like bouncing my connection from the shell |
19:17.10 | dav89 | uhmmm |
19:17.12 | Flimzy | Berlin: remove named |
19:17.21 | Flimzy | Berlin: dpkg --purge bind |
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19:17.40 | resiak | esher: Is Exim doing anything? If not, remove it. However, if you've not got qmail handing your internal mail properly, you _mustn't_ remove Exim. |
19:17.55 | Berlin | Flimzy: As I'm thinking of it you're right. But if I don't want this. How could I deactivate it ? |
19:18.08 | esher | qmail handle my local mail now |
19:18.10 | Glitters | Flimzy what do you care? do you know where to get free reliable shells or not? |
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19:18.20 | Flimzy | Glitters: nevermind then |
19:18.32 | Glitters | fine |
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19:18.37 | Flimzy | Glitters: I guess I didn't really want to help you anyway |
19:18.49 | azreal | free reliable shells at 127.0.0.1 |
19:18.53 | esher | and, if i will remove exim, apt will remove courier-imap also, but this i need |
19:18.53 | Glitters | alot didnt too |
19:19.00 | coachz | well my coworker hosed the server good today. He ran fschk with mounted drives and it threw the entire drive into lost and found and renamed all the files. woo hoo |
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19:19.15 | Flimzy | s/PIII/PIV/ |
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19:19.35 | coachz | so what's the deal with fschk, are you supposed to unmount all drives first ? |
19:19.36 | Flimzy | but then no reason is good enough for someone who won't tell me what they're doing on their shell |
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19:19.44 | resiak | coachz: Uh, yeah. |
19:19.44 | paulswm | !beat coachz's coworker |
19:19.49 | resiak | coachz: And fsck. |
19:19.52 | coachz | haha |
19:19.56 | pder | will debian run on a computer system? |
19:20.00 | Flimzy | coachz: Maybe, maybe not. It's hard to say since we don't know what you're doing. |
19:20.02 | FieldySnuts | time for an !irritate |
19:20.04 | resiak | pder: Are you smoking something very strong? |
19:20.07 | FieldySnuts | but i'll leave it to somebody else |
19:20.07 | caphuso | pder: no, only on an abacus |
19:20.07 | Flimzy | pder: No. |
19:20.11 | Phated | !irritate pder |
19:20.12 | dpkg | pder: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd lol |
19:20.13 | Berlin | I've got open ports on the address 0.0.0.0 but what is this adress??? tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:3306 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2688/ |
19:20.14 | Glitters | Flimzy: you mean, you're an administrator for a shells server? |
19:20.17 | FieldySnuts | hehe Phated |
19:20.24 | azreal | pder: no. it only runs on the atari 2600 |
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19:20.38 | Phated | Glitters: Almost anyone can give out a shell. Depends who they give it to. |
19:20.38 | pder | !irritate pder |
19:20.40 | dpkg | pder: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ????? |
19:20.44 | resiak | Hmm. qotd? |
19:20.46 | Flimzy | Glitters: I'm an administrator for my own server. It has a shell installed. I guess you could call it a "shell server" |
19:20.49 | pder | !irritate pder |
19:20.49 | dpkg | pder: wenas how can I make my mepis werkz U FUX0RZ |
19:20.50 | coachz | it was fun |
19:20.58 | FieldySnuts | fux0rz... |
19:21.06 | pder | !irritate pder |
19:21.28 | dpkg | pder: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
19:21.28 | Flimzy | Glitters: But it doesn't matter now... you're ineligable already. |
19:21.28 | Glitters | Flimzy: oh then it differs... |
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19:21.28 | Glitters | oh hehe |
19:21.28 | pder | !irritate pder |
19:21.28 | dpkg | pder: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh quake3 !!!! |
19:21.28 | Glitters | well sorry |
19:21.28 | Glitters | anyways |
19:21.43 | paulswm | !stupid bot tricks |
19:21.44 | dpkg | Watching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast. If you really *must* do it, don't do it here. Use /msg. |
19:21.51 | shakparl | rm -rf `find / -name "*.pkg*"` |
19:21.55 | shakparl | s/pkg/dpkg |
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19:21.59 | resiak | !no, qotd36 is < pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
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19:22.15 | pder | !irritate pder |
19:22.15 | dpkg | pder: hi every1 who uses cable !!!1 |
19:22.18 | resiak | !test |
19:22.20 | dpkg | No, resiak, you're not online any more. |
19:22.20 | marcel_ | hello |
19:22.29 | pder | !irritate pder |
19:22.31 | dpkg | pder: hi every1 who uses gnome plz msg me, lilo |
19:22.33 | resiak | dpkg, no, qotd36 is < pder> will debian run on a computer system? |
19:22.33 | dpkg | resiak: okay |
19:22.37 | greycat | dpkg, qotdx =~ s/36 // |
19:22.39 | dpkg | greycat: OK |
19:22.47 | shakparl | !irritate shakparl |
19:22.47 | dpkg | shakparl: wenas who uses kde kk |
19:22.47 | dondelelcaro | shakparl: what exactly do you expect that to do? And that's probably cosmically bad, by the way. |
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19:22.48 | usr010 | i now have 1 nvidia.run file/1 modules/and kernel common i put them in the same dir witch do i run 1st? |
19:22.51 | resiak | greycat: I'd beaten you to it :) |
19:22.51 | mirak | Is there a player that can handle the control files of a dvd |
19:22.52 | marcel_ | i cant write on my reiserfs partition as a user, i checked my fstab and are member of the group disk, what can i do? |
19:22.54 | mirak | ? |
19:22.55 | resiak | greycat: Well.; |
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19:23.01 | resiak | greycat: You won. |
19:23.04 | shakparl | dondelelcaro it's a joke man ;) |
19:23.06 | greycat | !win greycat |
19:23.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, greycat! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
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19:23.20 | shakparl | lol@dpkg |
19:23.24 | pder | !irritate pder |
19:23.25 | dpkg | pder: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx |
19:23.26 | dondelelcaro | hrm... clearly very funny |
19:23.29 | Phated | resiak: It should be <reply>, by the way. |
19:23.38 | resiak | Phated: Ok. Bah. |
19:23.39 | witless | i have what i believe is potentially the most important debian bug of the week. |
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19:23.47 | Phated | Your brain. |
19:23.47 | Glitters | hehe |
19:23.51 | greycat | Phated: I dunno... I kind of *like* seeing which qotd it is when you choose qotd0 |
19:23.52 | marcel_ | anyone use reiserfs here? |
19:23.53 | kirbymeister | there is no such thing as cracked debian |
19:23.55 | kirbymeister | I do |
19:23.55 | Glitters | witless good for you mano |
19:23.56 | FieldySnuts | Phated: you've created a monster in pder ! |
19:23.59 | Phated | greycat: Hmmm, yeah. |
19:24.02 | SilentBob | Is there an rc4 debian sarge DVD image? |
19:24.06 | Phated | FieldySnuts: It was your idea. |
19:24.10 | FieldySnuts | yeah but you did it |
19:24.13 | witless | to wit: SMILEYS AIN'T SHOWIN UP IN THUNDERBIRD |
19:24.17 | Phated | Only because dpkg ignores you. |
19:24.18 | boow | i use it but in slackware as my root partition |
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19:24.22 | FieldySnuts | :) |
19:24.31 | kirbymeister | !irritate Bill Gates |
19:24.32 | dpkg | Bill Gates: wenas who uses dvd !!!1 |
19:24.35 | greycat | SilentBob: /msg dpkg d-i |
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19:24.39 | FieldySnuts | wenas who has pics of Phated lol lol |
19:24.40 | marcel_ | anyone use reiserfs here? |
19:24.42 | kirbymeister | !irritate Steve Ballmer |
19:24.43 | FieldySnuts | kidding |
19:24.43 | dpkg | Steve Ballmer: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!! |
19:24.44 | FieldySnuts | marcel: yes yes yes |
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19:24.46 | greycat | FieldySnuts: Phated does. |
19:24.48 | marcel_ | i cant write on my reiserfs partition as a user, i checked my fstab and are member of the group disk, what can i do? |
19:24.53 | kirbymeister | !irritate Richard Stallman |
19:24.54 | dpkg | Richard Stallman: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse ????? |
19:24.58 | greycat | kirbymeister: do it in /msg please. |
19:25.02 | kirbymeister | okay |
19:25.02 | mirak | I have a .ifo and .bup file in plus of the .vob, is there a way to use them ? |
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19:25.10 | FieldySnuts | good god, even *I'M* getting sick of all the irritates |
19:25.15 | boow | try be coming root |
19:25.21 | SilentBob | greycat, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc2/ |
19:25.24 | pder | those irritates are hilarious |
19:25.24 | marcel_ | boow, ? |
19:25.27 | SilentBob | Where is the iso9660 image? |
19:25.32 | resiak | !botabuse |
19:25.32 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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19:25.46 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: roger dpkg |
19:25.48 | ravenbird | Bend over, dpkg and take it like a man! |
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19:25.54 | greycat | SilentBob: what, you think we're hiding some SPECIAL SECRET URL that's not on the d-i page? |
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19:26.09 | resiak | !d-i SilentBob |
19:26.10 | dpkg | SilentBob, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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19:26.12 | SilentBob | greycat, I got that from the d-i page |
19:26.20 | SilentBob | That's where I went. |
19:26.21 | greycat | SilentBob: then USE it! |
19:26.23 | marcel_ | the group 'disk' is that for users to mount disks? |
19:26.23 | Phated | SilentBob: How about actually going there. |
19:26.26 | boow | users cant write any where but /tmp /home /var/tmp |
19:26.28 | SilentBob | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc2/ |
19:26.29 | kirbymeister | marcel_: no |
19:26.33 | SilentBob | That link, is on the d-i page |
19:26.37 | SilentBob | But there is no dvd images there |
19:26.38 | jrc | I have to maintain a few packages (just have to change a few things in debian/rules) because of my environment and rebuild. Is there an easy way to do this task when there's a new upstream version from debian, besides apt-get sourcing and going through and redoing my changes? |
19:26.38 | greycat | SilentBob: be Silent. |
19:26.39 | witless | how about: i tryed the linux and it is a crap! |
19:26.40 | SilentBob | It says "DVD" |
19:26.42 | marcel_ | kirbymeister, what is the group for? |
19:26.49 | kirbymeister | marcel_:the disk group can write to the disk's raw sectors (which is not good for normal users to have) |
19:26.56 | marcel_ | kirbymeister, thanks |
19:27.06 | kirbymeister | if they are in group disk they can format the drive |
19:27.17 | greycat | jrc: get the debian maintainer to incorporate your changes. |
19:27.17 | marcel_ | kirbymeister, i see |
19:27.18 | SilentBob | http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc2/i386/ |
19:27.26 | greycat | jrc: (*snicker, chuckle*) |
19:27.29 | resiak | SilentBob: You use jigdo to get DVD images. |
19:27.30 | Flimzy | jrc: make a diff of the original and your version... then apply that diff to any new versiosn that come in. If you're lucky, they'll patch cleanly. |
19:27.32 | kirbymeister | which is why you dont add normal end-users into that group |
19:27.32 | resiak | SilentBob: Just get netinst. :) |
19:27.34 | marcel_ | kirbymeister, what group should i be member of if i want users to mount disks? |
19:27.47 | kirbymeister | add the disks to your /etc/fstab with the option user |
19:27.53 | marcel_ | kirbymeister, i did |
19:27.54 | kirbymeister | there is no mount group |
19:27.54 | jrc | resiak: is there one of the debian dev tools that's made for that? |
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19:28.03 | resiak | jrc: I'm sorry? |
19:28.05 | marcel_ | /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 reiserfs rw,user,auto 0 0 |
19:28.14 | jrc | Flimzy: i meant |
19:28.17 | greycat | SilentBob: if you have a PROBLEM with the d-i web pages or the d-i software, try REPORTING IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAINTAIN IT. That's not us. |
19:28.17 | jrc | sorry lol |
19:28.22 | SilentBob | o, jigdo is a program |
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19:28.24 | kirbymeister | Is it possible to have a group that can mount and umount arbitrary disks? |
19:28.25 | marcel_ | kirbymeister, i can mount the drive, but i cant write to it as a user |
19:28.26 | SilentBob | I thought that was a person |
19:28.31 | greycat | kirbymeister: no. man fstab. |
19:28.36 | resiak | marcel_: Then that's a permissions problem. |
19:28.37 | greycat | marcel_: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
19:28.42 | SilentBob | thanks resiak |
19:28.45 | kirbymeister | marcel_: remove the rw option |
19:28.47 | resiak | SilentBob: No problem. |
19:28.48 | marcel_ | vfat? |
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19:28.49 | Flimzy | jrc: not that I'm aware of. You could probably write a script to create and apply the patches for you automatically. |
19:28.50 | lawnchair | !stfu |
19:28.50 | dpkg | it has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
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19:29.06 | Flimzy | jrc: But it's almost guaranteed not to patch cleanly every now and then, and require manual intervention. |
19:29.16 | GrayDragon | !gnome |
19:29.17 | dpkg | from memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager |
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19:29.28 | marcel_ | marcel@debian:~$ mount /mnt/hda1 |
19:29.28 | marcel_ | marcel@debian:~$ touch /mnt/hda1/test |
19:29.28 | marcel_ | touch: cannot touch `/mnt/hda1/test': permission denied |
19:29.31 | samuel | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian is the main repository? |
19:29.38 | jrc | Flimzy: it's just a few ./configure flags so i shouldn't have much problems. i'll look into it though, thanks |
19:29.41 | greycat | marcel_: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
19:29.54 | resiak | greycat: He's using reiserfs |
19:29.59 | Phated | Ew. |
19:30.01 | Flimzy | jrc: ah, yeah, that should be easy then |
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19:30.07 | greycat | resiak: why the FUCK is he mounting a reiserfs partition on the fly? |
19:30.08 | resiak | marcel_: Change the permissions on the directory!!!1111! |
19:30.10 | GrayDragon | ok... here i go again with my dumb questions, but will all linux apps work with Gnome? I mean, do they have to use the Gnome GTK+ Engine? |
19:30.11 | Phated | marcel_: ls -l /mnt/hda1 |
19:30.14 | resiak | greycat: I have no FUCKING idea : |
19:30.15 | resiak | greycat: :) |
19:30.25 | greycat | marcel_: stop being stupid. It makes me angry. |
19:30.27 | resiak | greycat: On /dev/hda1, no less. |
19:30.29 | terry | is there something similar to packages.debian.org for the amd64(pure64) port?? |
19:30.38 | greycat | terry: /msg dpkg amd64 |
19:30.39 | marcel_ | marcel@debian:~$ ls -l /mnt/hda1 |
19:30.39 | marcel_ | total 0 |
19:30.41 | resiak | !tell terry -about amd65 |
19:30.43 | resiak | Bah. |
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19:30.52 | greycat | marcel_: JESUS FUCKING *CHRIST*! |
19:30.53 | marcel_ | marcel@debian:~$ ls -al /mnt/hda1 |
19:30.53 | marcel_ | totaal 0 |
19:30.53 | marcel_ | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 80 2005-02-04 20:03 . |
19:30.53 | marcel_ | drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 96 2005-02-04 19:49 .. |
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19:30.59 | johnga1t | anybody know how to do something like "scp with resume" or "incremental scp"? |
19:30.59 | greycat | My god. |
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19:31.04 | resiak | GrayDragon: Yes, they will work with anything. |
19:31.07 | GrayDragon | ok |
19:31.27 | GrayDragon | thank you |
19:31.27 | resiak | GrayDragon: No problem. |
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19:31.27 | boow | marcel: use the gid uid umask options in your fstab if you want rw permisions |
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19:31.27 | greycat | marcel: man chmod |
19:31.39 | resiak | greycat: He didn't come back. |
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19:31.54 | greycat | doesn't matter. he wouldn't have read the man page anyway. |
19:32.03 | Phated | <sigh> What, what don't they get about "change the permissions". |
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19:33.18 | resiak | Well that shut everyone up. |
19:33.23 | johnga1t | anybody know how to do something like "scp with resume" or "incremental scp"? |
19:33.39 | FieldySnuts | use rsync over ssh |
19:33.45 | FieldySnuts | incrimental, dunno |
19:33.51 | Flimzy | johnga1t: Did you try "man scp"? |
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19:33.54 | asuffield | rsync -P |
19:34.14 | greycat | rsync will do the incremental bit |
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19:34.14 | asuffield | that was kinda the original point of rsync |
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19:34.23 | Flimzy | yeah, rsync is good for that, too (a bit slower than straight scp, but necissarily so) |
19:34.29 | asuffield | no, much faster than scp |
19:34.35 | asuffield | scp is *very* slow |
19:34.36 | otje | why isn't there an official debian stable net install? |
19:34.47 | shakparl | netinst testing rocks the house |
19:34.49 | Phated | Yes, there is... |
19:34.54 | Flimzy | It's faster when no diff'ing is being done I suppose |
19:34.56 | dondelelcaro | otje: because there are no official net install discs. |
19:34.57 | shakparl | anyone use korganizer |
19:35.01 | johnga1t | i don't mean incremental like "only upload if timestamp has changed" ... but instead, send one big file in chunks so i can resume later |
19:35.07 | resiak | shakparl: #kde, maybe? |
19:35.12 | Flimzy | johnga1t: man rsync |
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19:35.22 | shakparl | resiak: sorry |
19:35.26 | Phated | Woo FieldySnuts. |
19:35.28 | resiak | shakparl: or #debian-perl |
19:35.30 | dondelelcaro | otje: it's not like it matters anyway, since the archive is what is official, not the installer. |
19:35.30 | boow | mount -t reiserfs /dev/hd* /mnt/hd* -o gid=groupid uid=userid umask=0 |
19:35.31 | FieldySnuts | been a few days since it was synced up |
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19:35.36 | shakparl | thx |
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19:35.44 | Flimzy | johnga1t: rsync will do a binary diff of the file, so if only a small bit changes in the middle of the file, it only has to update that small bit rather than re-downloading the entire file. |
19:35.44 | johnga1t | Flimzy: sweet. thanks. now then: know if there's a python library for this? or i should just use shell calls? |
19:35.50 | FieldySnuts | thank $DIETY for rsync -z |
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19:35.57 | resiak | boow: Uh, what? |
19:36.03 | Flimzy | johnga1t: I don't use python, I don't know. |
19:36.10 | Phated | FieldySnuts: NO DIETS! |
19:36.21 | johnga1t | Flimzy: np. |
19:36.24 | asuffield | ...that explains the 'phat' part |
19:36.34 | FieldySnuts | oh, boo |
19:36.36 | greycat | !pal marcel_ |
19:36.39 | greycat | 14:36 DCC CHAT from marcel_ [192.168.1.100 port 32768] |
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19:36.48 | FieldySnuts | haha 192.168.1.100 |
19:36.49 | boow | if he mount his reirser partition that way he can rw to as user |
19:36.50 | samuel | can anyone please tell me where to find a repository list on the debian.org site? |
19:37.00 | dondelelcaro | !mirrors |
19:37.01 | dpkg | i heard mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt |
19:37.01 | greycat | !seen ANDRES |
19:37.01 | FieldySnuts | engrish? |
19:37.02 | dpkg | andres <~ANDRES@pcp09723961pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 3h 6m 4s ago, saying: 'i dont think is too hard for u guys to tell me how to load the emu10k1.o'. |
19:37.26 | samuel | dondelelcaro, thanks! ive been looking for that for the past 20 mins! |
19:37.27 | greycat | hmm. different hostmask. they must both have the same home router. |
19:37.35 | FieldySnuts | wait, the stupid router passed the connection source as his lan addy? |
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19:37.46 | greycat | FieldySnuts: no, the stupid *IRC client* did. |
19:37.47 | FieldySnuts | nice router. not |
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19:37.56 | FieldySnuts | i guess i don't get that |
19:38.14 | rdancer | is there a kernel module for the ip6tables REJECT target in 2.6? it says: ``ip6tables: No chain/target/match by that name'' |
19:38.21 | greycat | initiating a DCC makes you a TCP socket listener, and you advertise your local IP and port through the IRC network to the other end. |
19:38.28 | dondelelcaro | samuel: in this case, google, is your friend. googling for "debian mirror list" would have given it to you... |
19:38.31 | greycat | if you're inside a NAT, you *can't* initiate a DCC. |
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19:38.38 | greycat | you can only be the other end. |
19:38.56 | FieldySnuts | no big loss, dcc is for lamers and warez kiddies anyway (runs away) |
19:39.06 | Phated | asuffield: :P |
19:39.11 | greycat | I'm sure as fuck not going to DCC CHAT with that loser. |
19:39.21 | greycat | even if I could, which obviously I can't. |
19:39.25 | xenoduck | Unless you use ip_nat_irc/ip_conntrack_irc. |
19:39.34 | resiak | Hahah. |
19:39.39 | FieldySnuts | it's the clients fault not the kernel |
19:39.41 | resiak | He wants his voice back. |
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19:39.45 | Phated | Screw him. |
19:39.54 | resiak | Yeah, that's the plan :) |
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19:39.55 | greycat | I want my time back that he wasted, but I can't get that. |
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19:40.19 | asuffield | hmm. now when I see idiots flailing about like that, I feel an urge to roll them up into a ball. damnit. |
19:40.46 | greycat | "newballs"... hmm. no, not good enough. |
19:40.50 | FieldySnuts | GOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! sorry. done. |
19:41.02 | greycat | n00balls? hmm, closer... |
19:41.08 | FieldySnuts | noballs? |
19:41.10 | FieldySnuts | er brb |
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19:42.10 | tolle | Hello, what modules are needed for port forwarding? |
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19:42.30 | dondelelcaro | hrm... free nascar tickets |
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19:42.33 | resiak | 19:41 <marcel_> could you please ask them to give my voice back? i am not a terrorist |
19:42.48 | asuffield | he's a terrorist! he's a terrorist! |
19:42.51 | Flimzy | Only terrorists can speak here |
19:42.51 | resiak | Heh. |
19:42.54 | FieldySnuts | bushsmite! |
19:43.01 | _ZeroOne_ | hi |
19:43.01 | greycat | no. |
19:43.04 | FieldySnuts | hehe |
19:43.05 | greycat | please. no bushsmites. |
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19:43.18 | Fernando | I'm downloading a debian cd whith jigdo and it tells me "The temporary directory `debian-30r4-i386-binary-2.iso.tmpdir' already exists. Its contents ARE GOING TO BE DELETED". This means that it will delete all of what I have downloaded before?? |
19:43.20 | azreal | would it be possible to fix this channel so that only people that go read the faq first can get a +q by obtaining a key from the website, and then useing it to +q themselves? |
19:43.28 | FieldySnuts | Fernando: and? |
19:43.34 | FieldySnuts | ew |
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19:43.41 | azreal | that would eliminate alot of stress for greycat |
19:43.54 | Flimzy | Fernando: I dunno. An easy way to fix that, tho, is to move/rename/cp the directory in question |
19:44.12 | resiak | WTF. |
19:44.15 | _ZeroOne_ | how many time requires the download of debian with jigdo? |
19:44.19 | azreal | i mean -q themselves |
19:44.26 | resiak | <resiak> Just learn to read the screen. <marcel_> i was eating chips |
19:44.41 | dondelelcaro | _ZeroOne_: that's totally dependent on the size of your upstream pipe. |
19:44.47 | azreal | i really need to go to sleep :P |
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19:45.20 | _ZeroOne_ | i hava a internetconection of 1024kbps down and 265 up |
19:45.21 | Flimzy | _ZeroOne_: Exactly 17 minutes. |
19:45.23 | samuel | dondelelcaro, do you know why ftp.us.debian.org does not have non-US packages? this might be a silly question, but im just wondering... |
19:45.24 | Flimzy | _ZeroOne_: and 4.2 seconds |
19:45.35 | asuffield | how many time? just the once |
19:45.35 | dondelelcaro | samuel: because it's in the us. Therefore it can't have non-us packages. |
19:46.08 | Flimzy | samuel: Same reason "sugar free" foods don't have any sugar. |
19:46.11 | samuel | dondelelcaro, that doesnt really make any sense to me... but ok... |
19:46.12 | dondelelcaro | samuel: non-US means that the package can't be exported from the US, so it's already located elsewhere, and only gets importated. |
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19:46.25 | dondelelcaro | hrm.... "importated" |
19:46.31 | FieldySnuts | new word! |
19:46.33 | samuel | dondelelcaro, oooh, i seee.... thanks |
19:46.34 | shakparl | coinage |
19:46.44 | Phated | Sounds good. |
19:46.48 | Fernando | OK. But if I do accept the prompt, will it continue the download or will it start again? |
19:46.52 | dondelelcaro | clearly my ability to spell is plummenting to new lows never before plumbed by mortal man |
19:46.53 | AngelGabriel | dondelelcaro, Why can't some packages be exported from the US? |
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19:47.07 | resiak | AngelGabriel: Encryption is apparently a weapon. |
19:47.07 | dondelelcaro | AngelGabriel: encryption, stupid braindead US laws... the list goes on |
19:47.12 | greycat | AngelGabriel: because the US government is on crack |
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19:47.35 | Flimzy | Fernando: I hope you're not asking me... because I already told you "I don't know" and suggested a work-around. |
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19:47.58 | guanex | hello |
19:47.58 | dondelelcaro | !crypto in main |
19:47.59 | dpkg | well, crypto in main is Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through. <http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain> |
19:48.06 | Fernando | OK |
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19:48.06 | AngelGabriel | So err.. what has the exportation of encryption code got to do with national security, if it's used all over the rest of the world?? greycat resiak and dondelelcaro |
19:48.07 | dondelelcaro | those of you who are confused woould do well to read the above. |
19:48.13 | resiak | AngelGabriel: Well yes. |
19:48.20 | dondelelcaro | AngelGabriel: dunno. Ask your congressperson |
19:48.27 | resiak | AngelGabriel: As has already been said, the US Govt is on crack. |
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19:48.29 | AngelGabriel | I'm from the UK!! |
19:48.34 | resiak | AngelGabriel: Yeah, so am I. |
19:48.43 | _ZeroOne_ | it it normally if it loads abaout 20 hours |
19:48.46 | robert_b | hi may anyone help me with my proftp login problems? i have proftp installed, standard configuration, and when i want to login bpftp client says login incorrect... |
19:48.52 | AngelGabriel | US government on crack... lol damn right they are |
19:48.59 | resiak | !crack AngelGabriel |
19:49.09 | paulswm | !lol |
19:49.09 | dpkg | it has been said that lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List. |
19:49.14 | dondelelcaro | AngelGabriel: so bug your MP then |
19:49.15 | greycat | robert_b: log file. shells(5). etc. |
19:49.18 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: cyptographic technology enables countries to be safe from being spyed on, when using it.. |
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19:50.00 | AngelGabriel | I mean, who was in the meeting that decided that one- HEY guys, lets not allow and encryptin code to be exported from our great country - Why boss, why no code.... err... i duuno, lets say it can be used as a weapon! |
19:50.12 | TheBlueWizard | AngelGabriel: FBI, NSA, etc. keep telling Congress and President to keep the equation "encryption == weapon" on the book (they often use drug cartels, etc. as the "reason" why, never mind the fact that anyone outside USA can develop robust encryption on his own...) |
19:50.12 | guanex | hola fernando |
19:50.28 | samuel | dondelelcaro, new words are "cool" man... in mexico we constantly use american words... "linkear" "fragear"... etc... just add the "ear" to it and its mexicanizized |
19:50.30 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: well, that law is maybe old? encryption technology was extremely important in ww2 |
19:50.34 | kirbymeister | mario |
19:50.37 | greycat | guanex: usually you say hi when they *join*, not leave. |
19:50.41 | dondelelcaro | samuel: scary |
19:50.44 | robert_b | greycat: the users have /bin/false as shell, are in ftp group and only ftp group is allowed but noone can login |
19:50.51 | greycat | robert_b: grep false /etc/shells |
19:50.57 | dondelelcaro | samuel: here, we just make it pronounceable and use the foreign word wholesale |
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19:51.08 | AngelGabriel | Anyway, why deny someone the right to encrypt his or her own personal data, no matter what it contains?? |
19:51.09 | distempr | !#debian LOL List. |
19:51.12 | distempr | :( |
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19:51.26 | samuel | dondelelcaro, lol |
19:51.33 | greycat | AngelGabriel: which part of "on crack" didn't you get? |
19:51.38 | Kerr | Oooh, a dragon. |
19:51.48 | dondelelcaro | AngelGabriel: they don't deny it, actually... there were just restrictions on how it could be exported. Anyway, read the stuff that dpkg said in scrollback. Answer your questions it will. |
19:51.48 | greycat | Kerr: kill him and make armor out of his scales! |
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19:52.01 | Kerr | too lazy.... sell for upgrades |
19:52.03 | paulswm | AngelGabriel: you aren't a US citizen, you derive no rights from the US goverment unless you are resident in the US |
19:52.07 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: not like encryption technology comes from usa |
19:52.07 | AngelGabriel | greycat, LOL okay, point taken!! I think is stupid |
19:52.11 | Kerr | though i do admin two irc rp servers O.o |
19:52.20 | robert_b | greycat: the entry exists |
19:52.32 | distempr | Man, this cable sleeving better pay off. I'll have the coolest debian boxen in the world :x |
19:52.34 | greycat | robert_b: then the problem lies elsewhere. log file for you. then the FM. |
19:52.49 | dav89 | do you know how to setup an ftp server??? |
19:52.54 | robert_b | greycat: FM? |
19:53.02 | greycat | !fm |
19:53.03 | dpkg | Freshmeat -- lost of projects here: http://freshmeat.net |
19:53.05 | greycat | bah. |
19:53.16 | greycat | dpkg, fm is also the Fucking Manual (which one must Read) |
19:53.16 | dpkg | okay, greycat |
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19:53.22 | niktaris | in a bash script should it be " if $LANG "or " if ${LANG} " (without the quotes) |
19:53.23 | Kerr | dav89: aot-get install proftpd |
19:53.25 | GrayDragon | has anyone here installed debian with a vendor CD? |
19:53.27 | AngelGabriel | I guess that's a whole debate that will never stop!! |
19:53.31 | dav89 | i've installed proftp |
19:53.31 | Kerr | dav89: and you're good to go. |
19:53.33 | greycat | dpkg, fm =~ s/lost/lots/ |
19:53.33 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
19:53.40 | dav89 | but i don't like it |
19:53.41 | greycat | (*STUPID* people...) |
19:53.42 | Kerr | dav89: then it should already be there. |
19:53.46 | paulswm | niktaris: in that context, either |
19:53.46 | valdyn | GrayDragon: now that is a truely funny question |
19:53.54 | GrayDragon | why is it funny? |
19:53.59 | greycat | GrayDragon: because it's stupid. |
19:54.00 | ecko | j #linux |
19:54.01 | Phated | greycat: Chill, chill... |
19:54.04 | ecko | oops lol |
19:54.07 | robert_b | greycat: i already tryed the config file from proftp homepage... didnt work too |
19:54.14 | greycat | robert_b: /j #proftpd |
19:54.17 | hedonick | AngelGabriel: AFAIK at one time SUN even co-founded a company in Russia to develop some encryption software for Solaris... since it was no problem importing or using the stuff... :) |
19:54.18 | valdyn | GrayDragon: does the property of a CD that it was once upon a time _sold_, say anuything about its content? |
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19:54.19 | Phated | Didn't edit it to fit your own system either? |
19:54.20 | deeed | hey |
19:54.24 | dav89 | from the NET it doesn't let me log-in as shell use.....but with ftp://localhost it lets me |
19:54.26 | dav89 | why?? |
19:54.28 | GrayDragon | greycat: how is it stupid? i can't d/l the iso files so i'm buying a vendor cd. |
19:54.31 | AngelGabriel | hedonick, REALLY? |
19:54.34 | deeed | anyone use mod_jk2 ? |
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19:54.37 | greycat | Phated: I'd bet money he did not read "man proftpd", nor the log file, yet. |
19:54.38 | Kerr | dav89: router problem. |
19:54.49 | Phated | greycat: No bet. I've lost enough moeny this year. |
19:54.49 | niktaris | paulswm, so it doesn't matter what I use? what would you use? |
19:54.50 | paulswm | niktaris: the curly braces need to be used if the context has more than one interpretation |
19:54.55 | hedonick | AngelGabriel: Yes (don't recall the exact details though) |
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19:54.56 | dav89 | yes i've got a router |
19:54.59 | robert_b | greycat thx |
19:54.59 | greycat | GrayDragon: it's stupid because it's like asking "did anyone here ever graduate from high school". OF COURSE! |
19:55.08 | ecko | greycat: I didn't |
19:55.09 | {xmb} | anyone using userlink-source? its broken |
19:55.10 | Phated | greycat: I haven't. :) |
19:55.11 | dav89 | and i've set it up to direct all the traffic on my computer |
19:55.15 | ecko | yes I did :) |
19:55.16 | GrayDragon | well i need to talk to someone who has used a vendor cd |
19:55.18 | AngelGabriel | hedonick, Well, if a US company can do that, then isn't the law a waste of time?? |
19:55.21 | ecko | who am I kidding i wish i weren't in college |
19:55.21 | greycat | ecko: I didn't say "everyone". I said "anyone". |
19:55.31 | paulswm | niktaris: my habit is not to use the braces unless I need to, I find it more readable |
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19:55.33 | greycat | GrayDragon: WHY?!??!?!?!! |
19:55.35 | ecko | greycat: I'm in college now, I just wish I quit earlier lol :) |
19:55.36 | greycat | !smite GrayDragon |
19:55.41 | greycat | !tell GrayDragon about bad polls |
19:55.43 | Kerr | GrayDragon: buy some blank cds, go to a public library, download, burn. |
19:55.44 | Phated | GrayDragon: IT's. ALL. THE. SAME. |
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19:55.44 | dondelelcaro | AngelGabriel: exactly... this is why it's been relaxed... but searching for logic in things that governments do is a total waste of time |
19:55.51 | dav89 | how to add users in proftpd???? |
19:55.54 | niktaris | thanks paulswm |
19:55.57 | AngelGabriel | dondelelcaro, Good point |
19:55.58 | greycat | dav89: man proftpd |
19:56.01 | dondelelcaro | !telld dav89 about ep |
19:56.02 | GrayDragon | i need to talk to someone becuase i need some help with it and I have some questions about them |
19:56.03 | valdyn | GrayDragon: I burned it myself so _obviously_ i cant help you |
19:56.07 | Phated | dondelelcaro: This of course asssumes that they -do- anything. |
19:56.09 | hedonick | AngelGabriel: of course it is :) |
19:56.13 | greycat | GrayDragon: DIE! |
19:56.16 | valdyn | GrayDragon: now that was sarcasm, fyi |
19:56.18 | dondelelcaro | Phated: governments that don't do anything are good governments... |
19:56.21 | Kerr | dav89: proftp uses *nix user logons and passwords. |
19:56.27 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Ahh, if only. |
19:56.28 | Kerr | dav89: you don't need to add users to it. |
19:56.34 | dav89 | Kerr: but it doesn't work.... |
19:56.37 | Kerr | dav89: add them to your system. |
19:56.43 | GrayDragon | what the hell is wrong with you????? all i need is some damn help around here!!!! |
19:56.46 | dondelelcaro | Phated: the problem is that they do bad things, and often don't do anything good. |
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19:56.56 | Berlin | Under pstree there is a courierlogger programm running... How could I deactivate this tool ? |
19:56.57 | Phated | dondelelcaro: I was using a rather archaic definition of do, my bad. Do, ie, be productive. |
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19:57.04 | hedonick | AngelGabriel: http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/swol-05-1997/swol-05-skip.html <- that was it... ELVIS+ (don't know if they use it any more though) |
19:57.06 | dondelelcaro | Phated: heh |
19:57.07 | greycat | !tell graydragon about ask |
19:57.10 | paulswm | niktaris: my pleasure, you can always look at some sscripts in /etc/init.d and elaewhere if you are searching for a standard way of writing scripts, they might give you some ideas |
19:57.13 | Kerr | GrayDragon: the cds are the same. they will use the same iso. |
19:57.25 | E-bola | Hello all, if my server has 1gb ram and the kernl im using only see 884mb of them, what the easyest solution? Im just using the default sarge kernel |
19:57.27 | Phated | Why, why the FUCK does it make a difference where you get the CD from? |
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19:57.41 | greycat | Phated: because he wants a personal FUCKING BOY to rape in /msg. |
19:57.52 | Phated | Oh whew thank god. He can't reproduce. |
19:57.53 | AngelGabriel | Can a boot loader boot a disk image from the network? |
19:57.58 | Kerr | dav89: works for me. If you can only access from inside your lan, you need to configure your router. |
19:58.03 | dondelelcaro | AngelGabriel: depends on the boot loader |
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19:58.16 | Kerr | dav89: ie forwarding port 22 to your debian box. |
19:58.18 | AngelGabriel | dondelelcaro, Do you know of any? |
19:58.35 | valdyn | I suppose it would need a nic driver for that.. |
19:58.36 | dondelelcaro | AngelGabriel: someone mentioned that grub would... I personally have only used the netboot cards myself, though |
19:58.42 | dav89 | kerr i already do that |
19:58.59 | dav89 | with BIMAP rule, it send all the traffic to my ip address |
19:59.01 | Kerr | dav89: do you need to reboot your router for that kinda stuff? |
19:59.04 | dupondje | hi guys, i changed some hdd settings in lilo, and now the pc doesn't boot anymore, it gives 010101010101 erros :s without stopping :( is there any way to fix it ? like make lilo uses default settings or smth N |
19:59.05 | dupondje | ? |
19:59.16 | dav89 | no i don't it was already sit up |
19:59.20 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: thats not really a big step to just using a netinstall CD |
19:59.21 | AngelGabriel | what i want to do - is network boot any of the clients on my lan - and then have a menu, which allows me to choose which boot disk i use |
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19:59.26 | rdancer | dupondje: /usr/share/doc/lilo |
19:59.30 | Flimzy | dupondje: boot from a rescue disk, then re-run 'lilo' |
19:59.33 | Phated | Why would you amk changes to lilo.conf and did you run lilo? |
19:59.37 | Kerr | dupondje: try turning SMART mode off for the hd in your bios. It might not be a lilo problem. |
19:59.40 | rdancer | dupondje: it's all described in the manual *in detail* |
19:59.52 | AngelGabriel | valdyn, But i want to do more than just install an OS |
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20:00.06 | Kerr | dav89: if the port was forwarded to your box, it would work? |
20:00.08 | Growly | gidday guys |
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20:00.18 | Kerr | dav89: can you ping your box from 'the net' ? |
20:00.23 | Phated | That's g'day, if you must use it. |
20:00.42 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: sounds like you want a cd based distro |
20:00.44 | GrayDragon | i honestly don't know what i was kicked out becuase all i need is help and you people are calling me stupid |
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20:00.53 | greycat | !tell GrayDragon about ask |
20:00.54 | paulswm | gidday Growly |
20:00.54 | greycat | !tell GrayDragon about bad polls |
20:00.56 | greycat | !tell GrayDragon about polls |
20:01.06 | Growly | Phated are do you have a bad life at home? |
20:01.10 | GrayDragon | i know what polls mean! |
20:01.17 | greycat | GrayDragon: then stop DOING IT! |
20:01.19 | Kerr | dav89: with some routers you can not send to your externel (ie internet ip) from an internal (ie lanside) machine. You must send to the server's lan/local ip, ie my machine is 10.0.0.10 inside my lan. |
20:01.21 | GrayDragon | and i didn't ask the damn question over and over. |
20:01.24 | Phated | Because it was a stupid question. A DEBIAN INSTALL CD CONTAINS THE SAME DATA WHETHER YOU GET IT FROM A VENDOR OR NOT. |
20:01.27 | Growly | I think I'll spell things a bit wronger some more for you. |
20:01.34 | GrayDragon | i need help and you guys keep insulting the question |
20:01.36 | Phated | You're not really spelling it wrong. |
20:01.47 | GrayDragon | I don't care about the DATA!!! |
20:01.48 | azreal | !tell GrayDragon about ask |
20:01.50 | GrayDragon | good god! |
20:01.56 | Growly | No, but should it be cause for correction then I am willing to stand corrected. |
20:01.57 | valdyn | GrayDragon: why dont you just ask your question? |
20:01.59 | Phated | WHEN YOU HAVE AN ERORS, IT FUCKING DEPENDS ON THE DATA! |
20:02.01 | GrayDragon | all i need is advice about the system and the risks! |
20:02.12 | greycat | !tell GrayDragon about security |
20:02.17 | Growly | Well, what I joined the channel for was to get help. |
20:02.18 | Phated | Oh, FFS, my typing's shot to hell. |
20:02.23 | paulswm | GrayDragon: ask your question, then we'll see if we can help, sorry if you're getting a hard time |
20:02.27 | greycat | !comfort Phated |
20:02.28 | dpkg | There, there, Phated. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
20:02.44 | {xmb} | GrayDragon, you arent alone, see /topic in #debian_ |
20:02.46 | Kerr | GrayDragon: if you buy a dvd movie from one store, then buy the same from another, they won't be any different. Neither will Debian images. |
20:02.48 | Growly | !comfort me |
20:02.49 | dpkg | There, there, growly. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
20:03.01 | Phated | Growly: I'm sorry. Grammar nazi plus tension doesn't do very well. What problem are you experiencing? |
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20:03.14 | valdyn | Kerr: debian dvd unfortunately are different |
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20:03.19 | GrayDragon | ok... my question is... with a vendor CD do i still run the risk of losing files when it partitions my HD? |
20:03.23 | valdyn | Kerr: or CD, whatever |
20:03.26 | Growly | I too must apologise, I despise the saying myself so do what I can do belittle it. |
20:03.27 | paulswm | !Phated++ |
20:03.28 | AngelGabriel | valdyn, I want to be able to fire up some of my DOS based utilities, but not have to carry around the diskettes with me all the time |
20:03.39 | greycat | GrayDragon: being a vendor CD or a self-burned CD makes **NO DIFFERENCE**. |
20:03.40 | Kerr | valyn: I was just making a comparison.. |
20:03.45 | Growly | Yes, does anyone have experience with SATA in Linux (Debian I presume) |
20:03.46 | Phated | You run the risk of it whenever you install an OS, WHETHER IT IS FROM A VENDOR OR NOT. It fucking has the SAME PROGRAMS ON IT. |
20:03.47 | azreal | GrayDragon: yes, backup anything you dont want erased first |
20:03.47 | greycat | GrayDragon: it works *EXACTLY* the same way. |
20:03.51 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: so install a small OS on each box? |
20:03.54 | AngelGabriel | I want to be presented with a menu system, so that i can choose which floppy disk image is loaded off the network |
20:04.04 | Growly | BPBatch!!! |
20:04.08 | dupondje | i can't interact with lilo @ boot ? :s it directy gives errors :s |
20:04.09 | valdyn | AngelGabriel: thats not any more complicated than installing a huge bootmanager w/ drivers for nics would be |
20:04.14 | dupondje | so i can't type boot options :s |
20:04.26 | Phated | dupondje: Rescue disk. |
20:04.34 | AngelGabriel | BPBatch - that rings a bell ... |
20:04.35 | GrayDragon | thx azreal. that's all i needed. and to the rest of you assholes who wanted to be smartasses and not help me, then go to hell! |
20:04.37 | dupondje | don't have that :d |
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20:04.46 | GrayDragon | bye now |
20:04.47 | GrayDragon | :D |
20:04.48 | xenoduck | Quick, someone kickban him and prove him right. |
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20:04.57 | paulswm | GrayDragon: there's always a risk, always back anything you don't want to lose, Just In Case |
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20:05.15 | Phated | , jeesus, what a moron. |
20:05.15 | Growly | AngelGabriel: I'm jumping in the middle here, but at work we set up Debian, DHCP, TFTP and a whole bunch of Images with BPBatch as a front end to choose which floppy images to load (and subsequently load an O/S from) |
20:05.29 | asuffield | Phated: that has got to be the daftest use of a comma I've seen all day |
20:05.38 | Phated | asuffield: There was supposed to be an Oh. |
20:05.42 | dupondje | Phated, if i put an image on a floppy |
20:05.46 | dupondje | and boot from floppy |
20:05.49 | dupondje | it boots then ? |
20:06.08 | Phated | One would certainly hope it did. Or you can use a woddy install as a rescue CD. |
20:06.18 | asuffield | woddy! |
20:06.26 | Phated | Yes, woddy. |
20:06.29 | Phated | XD |
20:06.38 | greycat | you need a woddy floopy |
20:06.44 | paulswm | HAHA |
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20:06.53 | {xmb} | anyone using userlink-source? its broken |
20:06.59 | greycat | and yes, I did have to backspace "woody" and re-type it wrong. |
20:07.04 | Phated | Heh. |
20:07.09 | AngelGabriel | Growly, Brilliant - that is EXACTLY what i'm looking for |
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20:07.19 | Growly | I'll keep rambling: in dhcpd.conf (I think you have to use version 3 atleast) you can specify boot parameters for PXEs, such as tftp-server 192.168.2.123) |
20:07.48 | AngelGabriel | Growly, only problem is .. BpBatch seems to have been taken over by Rembo Technology |
20:07.54 | asuffield | I'd just use pxegrub for that |
20:08.00 | {xmb} | is there a proggy that uses tun to create new tun devices? userlink-space package, only i found about that, is broken |
20:08.08 | AngelGabriel | And they don't over it on thier servers |
20:08.27 | helix | proggy |
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20:08.35 | Growly | Yeah we had that problem, there's not much support - Just keep looking around google, 'cause we eventually found a mirror - and then somewhere else we found a script that we could modify (with menus). |
20:08.39 | Growly | Let me look... |
20:08.47 | dupondje | no other way than do it with a rescue cd/floppy ? |
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20:09.05 | Phated | Since you can't boot, not really. |
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20:09.19 | Growly | Mate: http://cui.unige.ch/info/pc/remote-boot/soft/ |
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20:10.00 | Growly | http://cui.unige.ch/info/pc/remote-boot/howto.html <- good stuff. |
20:10.21 | penta | I have server with apache there lots of traffic from my server to outside on the port 7777, how can i see which script is responsible for the traffic? |
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20:10.29 | greycat | penta: /msg dpkg open ports |
20:10.41 | Phated | helix: At work? |
20:10.45 | helix | of course |
20:10.55 | Phated | Shouldn't you be... working? |
20:10.57 | helix | coughing up blood |
20:10.58 | penta | greycat the port is blocked using shorewall allt he traffic is getting dropped but i wanna see which process is responsible |
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20:11.02 | helix | well, maybe |
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20:11.15 | Phated | Blood, eh. Save it and write on the walls with it. |
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20:11.37 | Growly | Right, so back to me. |
20:11.42 | helix | I can draw hearts with it |
20:11.47 | greycat | !open ports |
20:11.48 | dpkg | open ports is probably netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files') |
20:11.55 | dupondje | netinst CD image, with Debian base |
20:11.57 | Phated | Yes, or other more menacing things. |
20:12.01 | dupondje | can i use this one to fix it ? |
20:12.05 | TheArtist | all my modules say they have unresolved symbols and none will load... anyone have an idea why? |
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20:12.09 | Growly | Does anyone have experience with SATA and Debian? |
20:12.12 | greycat | HEY, WOW, LOOK AT THAT... it's like informative or sometihng!! I wonder what this "netstat" thing is. Maybe it has a manual??!?! |
20:12.12 | dupondje | or doesn't it has lilo and stuff ? |
20:12.24 | greycat | I wonder how I could read a manual page in Unix. |
20:12.30 | greycat | Hmm. |
20:12.32 | greycat | Let me think. |
20:12.35 | valdyn | Growly: what is the problem, which debian release? |
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20:12.45 | Phated | Uh oh... greycat's getting typoish... FIRE IN THE HOLE. |
20:12.46 | caphuso | greycat: info ;-) |
20:12.48 | Growly | 3.0 r1 methinks, stable - kernel 2.6.10 |
20:12.49 | Ocean^ | any linux alternatives to Kazza ? |
20:12.58 | greycat | !bunk 2.6 |
20:12.58 | dpkg | [bunk 2.6] You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages. Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>. |
20:13.05 | greycat | Ocean^: /msg dpkg gift |
20:13.41 | Growly | I have a Promise S150 SX4-M RAID Controller, that won't boot at all in my Windows machine (silly motherboard), and gives me funky errors in linux: |
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20:15.08 | dupondje | Phated can i use Knoppix to fix it also ? :) |
20:15.17 | Phated | dupondje: Probably. |
20:15.26 | dupondje | k :) thx |
20:15.52 | lu | is there a debian live cd, distro truly debian. Not a Knoppix, ubunto distro |
20:16.10 | jpablo | hi, anyone know where is mkfs in the initrd image of the debian installer ? i can't find it ... |
20:16.12 | dupondje | don't think so :d |
20:16.25 | Growly | Feb 5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: ata1: command timeout |
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20:16.31 | Growly | Feb 5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: ata1: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
20:16.32 | Growly | Feb 5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002 |
20:16.32 | Growly | Feb 5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: EOM ILI Current sda: sense = 70 7e |
20:16.35 | Growly | Feb 5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: ASC=30 ASCQ=c0 |
20:16.35 | Growly | Feb 5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 120 |
20:16.35 | Growly | Feb 5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 15 |
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20:16.58 | Growly | Grrr. |
20:17.14 | csmith | quick question, where can I find a list of installed packages on a computer? |
20:17.16 | tarzeau | peterS: there? |
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20:17.22 | dondelelcaro | Growly: read /topic, and refrain from pasting. |
20:17.31 | lu | csmith dpkg -l |
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20:17.43 | greycat | !faq csmith |
20:17.43 | dpkg | csmith: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/ |
20:17.44 | TheArtist | all my modules say they have unresolved symbols and none will load... anyone have an idea why? |
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20:17.58 | dondelelcaro | TheArtist: your modules are not compiled against the currently running kernel |
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20:18.45 | TheArtist | dondelelcaro, thanks... |
20:18.46 | zirikili | I am using a notebook with touchpad. it works fine on X. but when I try to use a ps2 mouse and change XF86Config Device to /dev/psaux it doesn't work. any help? |
20:18.59 | valdyn | Growly: did you check if your controller specificually is supported? |
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20:19.53 | dupondje | Phated: can't u put lilo on a floppy, boot from that floppy, and then in the floppy say to boot /vmlinuz or smth ? |
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20:20.10 | paulswm | Question: 1. Mounted a filesystem for an NFS share on box A. 2. Mounted the NFS share on box B. 3. Powered down box B (I was running a CD rescue and probably didn't get a clean umount). 4. The next day, attempted to umount the filesystem on box A, mount tells me it's busy. 5. My solution was to do a lazy umount and then later reboot the box. Question: There has to be a better way to clean up a mount like that, any advice? |
20:20.35 | Phated | dupondje: No idea. |
20:20.57 | Phated | dupondje: You can boot knoppix and chroot to your root and then rerun lilo, that'll probably fix your problem though. |
20:20.58 | justin | paulswm: probably completely unrelated to anything B did |
20:21.17 | greycat | paulswm: it's busy because the NFS server has it open. if you want to unmount it on A, you have to unshare it first. |
20:21.33 | paulswm | justin: yes, but fuser showed nothing, and it wasn't cwd for anything |
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20:22.00 | greycat | fuser can't detect the kernel-NFS stuff |
20:22.02 | paulswm | greycat: Thank you. Which manpage do I need? |
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20:22.15 | greycat | paulswm: vi /etc/exports && exportfs -u -a && exportfs -a |
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20:22.38 | paulswm | greycat: Thanks very much, appreciate it. |
20:22.44 | Growly | valdyn: No, I didn't know where to go - I googled endlessly but to no avail! |
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20:23.23 | aurax | hello |
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20:23.51 | technodude90 | is there a personal database application that comes with Debian? |
20:24.08 | paulswm | technodude90: postgres, mysql |
20:24.12 | technodude90 | I know that OpenOffice.org is coming out with its base application |
20:24.50 | bernard | I've downloaded a software with apt-get source and modified the source code (and it's working). This software has only one binary program. How can I can rebuild a pkg with a alternative name for the pkg and the binary program (and man page)? |
20:24.56 | technodude90 | paulswm, aren't they for complex databases? |
20:24.58 | swatikiss | how can i automate a program to update, run on a specific interval? ? |
20:25.02 | greycat | swatikiss: less /etc/init.d/README |
20:25.12 | greycat | swatikiss: man crontab; man 5 crontab |
20:25.22 | swatikiss | greycat thanks |
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20:25.39 | Thumann | Hey.. anyone down with SVGATextMode ? |
20:25.46 | cafuego | technodude90: OpenOffice doesn't have a ms access equivalent. |
20:26.08 | Ocean^ | gr, gift is so anoying |
20:26.14 | paulswm | technodude90: they are SQL based relational database managers. postgres has a GUI called pgaccess which makes life a little easier for the casual user. How complex you make a database is up to you :) |
20:26.15 | technodude90 | there bata version includes an Access equivalent |
20:26.17 | aurax | would it be easy to make "hebrew-enabled" workstation based on debian |
20:26.29 | cafuego | technodude90: Basically, access is a spreadsheet with an sql interface, it's crap. myslq is relatively easy, you just need to pick your favourite frontend for it. |
20:26.39 | asuffield | *hebrew*? no. probably possible though |
20:26.48 | technodude90 | however, OpenOffice.org base needs a lot of work before I would consider it usable |
20:27.00 | cafuego | technodude90: 1.1.3 seems to work fine |
20:27.05 | aurax | just enabled with the right unicode |
20:27.14 | aurax | not as hebrew interface and such |
20:27.18 | Flimzy | OpenOffice.org is very usable... if you have the right needs |
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20:27.31 | _rene_ | cafuego: it has |
20:27.41 | _rene_ | cafuego: OpenOffice.org base. in 1.9.x/2.0 |
20:27.42 | cafuego | Yes, if full ms office compatibility is what you need, you can forget about it. |
20:27.43 | technodude90 | yes OOo is usable, there Base application isn't |
20:27.48 | _rene_ | cafuego: AND: even 1.1.x has GUI database stuff |
20:27.50 | paulswm | technodude90: although postgres is technically superior, and has pgaccess. You could install both mysql and postgres, play around with them, and stick with the one which you prefer and 'aptitude purge' the other. |
20:27.52 | _rene_ | cafuego: just a bit hidden |
20:28.08 | cafuego | Luckily windows has an oo.o too. |
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20:28.12 | _rene_ | Extras -> Data Sources. |
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20:28.21 | _rene_ | Can use MySQL etc. via ODBC |
20:28.22 | valdyn | Growly: so this controller isnt really a raid controller uh? |
20:28.23 | cafuego | _rene_: That's just a db connector. |
20:28.25 | ChristianP | hi all |
20:28.32 | _rene_ | cafuego: and? install mysql and be with it |
20:28.44 | ChristianP | does anyone know how to tell gnome i want to use alsa? |
20:28.53 | cafuego | _rene_: That's not intended (or in anyw ay useful) for entering data. |
20:28.58 | _rene_ | cafuego: OOo Base in 2.0 also needs MySQL or so or a local dBase file |
20:28.59 | technodude90 | Does MySQL have its own interface, or do you need to find your own? |
20:29.10 | cafuego | _rene_: And yes, I have used and do use it (mail merges etc) |
20:29.26 | _rene_ | cafuego: no, why duplicate the functionality? |
20:29.45 | _rene_ | cafuego: there is mysql, there is postgresql, there is even local dbase file support, there is.... |
20:29.53 | cafuego | _rene_: OOo is an office suite. not a DB management tool. |
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20:30.10 | paulswm | unless you consider a spreadsheet a database |
20:30.13 | valdyn | Growly: cant give you a specific hint, but in the past.. those sata pseudo raid controllers occasionally need their firmware settings to be a certain way for them to work properly |
20:30.41 | _rene_ | cafuego: because it's not even beta yet, but it has a OOo base newly |
20:30.49 | _rene_ | cafuego: which looks like access |
20:30.53 | cafuego | _rene_: Is it in debian? |
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20:31.12 | _rene_ | cafuego: not yet. we're working on it but 1.1.x is priority atm |
20:31.17 | kirbymeister | Do think Microsoft will ever live it down if GNU/Hurd comes out before Longhorn? |
20:31.25 | _rene_ | kirbymeister: lol |
20:31.27 | cafuego | Then I won't be using or trying it as of yet |
20:31.38 | cafuego | kirbymeister: <heh> |
20:31.39 | kirbymeister | hey they managed to get a program running on HURD-L4 |
20:31.40 | _rene_ | cafuego: there's debs, though |
20:31.53 | cafuego | _rene_: Yeah, there's debs for a lot of things... |
20:31.56 | valdyn | !sata raid |
20:32.02 | _rene_ | cafuego: plain output of upstreams build system, though, so /opt and internal libs etc |
20:32.03 | cafuego | _rene_: That doesn';t mean I need to break my system. |
20:32.07 | valdyn | wasnt there a factoid.. |
20:32.09 | valdyn | !sata |
20:32.09 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.") |
20:32.15 | _rene_ | cafuego: but it's usable |
20:32.36 | _rene_ | cafuego: they wqon't break your system. they have no dependencies. They are parallel installable, etc |
20:32.42 | _rene_ | .oO ( /opt ) |
20:32.53 | _rene_ | even the official debs of 2.0 beta or so will be parallel installable |
20:32.54 | kirbymeister | With Unix you shoot yourself in the foot. With DOS you keep running up against the one-bullet barrier. With MS-Windows the gun blows up in your hand. With MacOS it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot -- just point and shoot. With SVR4 the gun isn't compatible with your foot. With Linux generous programmers from around the world all join forces to help you shoot yourself in the foot for free. With HURD you'll be able to shoot yoursel |
20:33.02 | tarzeau | peterS: ping |
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20:34.23 | paulswm | Well, there you are, cut off during the HURD description, that pretty much sums it up I think |
20:35.11 | Phated | Heh. |
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20:35.42 | cafuego | Nostradamus ate my distro. |
20:35.45 | Phated | No, but a sarge release is. |
20:36.01 | paulswm | Phated: yeah, I already used that, though :) |
20:36.07 | Phated | Heh. |
20:36.11 | dambodog | hi, does anyone know of a visual trace app? or online javaapplet? |
20:37.14 | Phated | Line noise! Break out the filters! |
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20:38.20 | Rocco | hi, does anyone know how to alow users from windows to wiev my share docs with Samba server..? |
20:38.35 | sussudio | Rocco: i bet #samba does |
20:38.55 | Flimzy | Rocco: That's covered in the Samba documentation of course. Did you read that? |
20:39.02 | Rocco | no |
20:39.09 | cafuego | Rocco: Install samba and swat, then login to http://localhost:901/ |
20:39.12 | Rocco | i will now |
20:39.43 | Rocco | ok thanks!! |
20:40.06 | cafuego | and barramundi |
20:40.07 | paulswm | crap, I thought it was broken :) |
20:40.14 | paulswm | !win cafuego |
20:40.15 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
20:40.20 | cafuego | paulswm: Just very small (the washing machine *is* broken tho) |
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20:40.49 | paulswm | cafuego: yeah, well I need a new microwave, washing machine and tumble dryer :) |
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20:41.16 | Phated | You -can- wash by hand, you know. |
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20:41.18 | Skaag | when i boot a kernel remotely, and pass the nfsroot=x.x.x.x:/exported_fs parameter to the kernel, can I also pass mount options somehow? |
20:41.51 | cafuego | paulswm: We had a washer/dryer combo, but realistically, drying on the line outside is faster anyway and costs a lot less. (So we can get a nicer washing machine) |
20:41.55 | Skaag | cuz i've tried setting them in /etc/fstab but i guess it already mounts that filesystem before then, and won't remount it with the new options |
20:42.15 | cafuego | Phated: You ever done that for a couple of weeks? |
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20:42.35 | Phated | cafuego: No, but my mom did for about five years. |
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20:42.43 | pder | !irritate pder |
20:42.44 | dpkg | pder: HELP ME!!! who uses sound ???/ |
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20:42.51 | Skaag | drying clothes outside on the line is faster?? where to you live, the sahara desert? |
20:42.55 | greycat | pder: stop it. |
20:42.55 | pder | !irritate pder |
20:42.56 | dpkg | pder: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz lol |
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20:42.59 | cafuego | paulswm: I'll NEVER get my wife to agree to that! |
20:43.10 | jetscreamer | hey how do you mount an extended partition, what's different from a regular partition in fstab |
20:43.12 | greycat | cafuego: but your wife isn't the slave. |
20:43.12 | cafuego | Skaag: Australia |
20:43.14 | Phated | What, you have slaves? |
20:43.25 | greycat | Phated: no, silly, his wife does. |
20:43.25 | pder | greycat: its too amusing to stop |
20:43.26 | jetscreamer | i'm sorry i phrased that wrong |
20:43.31 | greycat | pder: do it in /msg |
20:43.31 | paulswm | cafuego: yes, the operative word was "slave". That probably means *you* :) |
20:43.33 | Phated | greycat: Ah. |
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20:43.35 | Skaag | cafuego: i guess that'd do it |
20:43.41 | cafuego | paulswm: Oh hell yes <heh> |
20:43.43 | jetscreamer | oh great gurus, how do you mount an extended partition, what's different from a regular partition in fstab or mount command |
20:43.54 | greycat | jetscreamer: nothing |
20:44.15 | CarlosAlex | How do I know if squid is reading one acl ?? |
20:44.17 | peterS | jetscreamer: no difference |
20:44.26 | greycat | CarlosAlex: try to violate it and see if it yells at you |
20:44.35 | peterS | jetscreamer: extended partitions are just numbered higher. 'fdisk -l /dev/whatever' for details |
20:44.39 | cafuego | jetscreamer: You can't mount an extended aprtitoon. You mount the logical partitions *in* the extended partition. |
20:44.45 | greycat | peterS: (usually) |
20:44.53 | peterS | greycat: well, yeah |
20:44.58 | paulswm | !win cafuego for being precise |
20:44.59 | dpkg | Congratulations, cafuego for being precise! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
20:45.07 | peterS | paulswm: yeah, yeah, I was getting to that |
20:45.19 | cafuego | Fuck, now I need another cd storage cupboard |
20:45.31 | zinx | mmm cd drive cup holders |
20:45.32 | paulswm | peterS: :> |
20:45.34 | jetscreamer | ok so the logical drive would be /dev/hdd3, if the extended partition was hdd2? |
20:45.42 | Phated | zinx: They're selling those now. |
20:45.49 | chealer | !lsd cafuego |
20:45.55 | CarlosAlex | ok... |
20:45.55 | cafuego | jetscreamer: fdisk -l /dev/hdd will show you (it won't listed the extended, only primary and logical) |
20:45.56 | peterS | jetscreamer: no. the primary partitions are 1 through 4, the logical drives inside any extended partition will start at 5 |
20:46.01 | chealer | oops |
20:46.01 | chealer | !beer cafuego |
20:46.02 | CarlosAlex | then its not working, greycat |
20:46.03 | paulswm | It's precise if I say it, pedantic or anal retentive if someone else does :) |
20:46.03 | Rocco | Can anyone tell me how to copy files on NTFS or FAT file systems...? |
20:46.22 | peterS | jetscreamer: so if you have an extended partition as hdd2, any logical partitions inside it will be hdd5, hdd6, hdd7, etc. |
20:46.23 | cafuego | dpkg: Guinness? At 7:48 am? |
20:46.24 | dpkg | i don't know, cafuego |
20:46.37 | chealer | he couldn't deliver lsd... |
20:46.38 | paulswm | jetscreamer: or sfdisk -l will show them all |
20:46.43 | cafuego | Rocco: mount the partitions (google?) |
20:46.44 | Daaaani | !apt-get |
20:46.44 | dpkg | apt-get is, like, the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto |
20:47.05 | peterS | dude |
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20:47.09 | peterS | apt-get isn't all that |
20:47.11 | Daaaani | !apt-how to |
20:47.14 | jetscreamer | ok then thankee gurududes |
20:47.16 | Daaaani | !apt-howto |
20:47.16 | dpkg | well, apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en |
20:47.25 | chealer | Daaaani: /msg dpkg foo |
20:47.38 | jetscreamer | !read-ntfs |
20:47.39 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
20:47.50 | Daaaani | how do i change source of my apt-get? |
20:47.58 | peterS | Daaaani: run apt-setup |
20:48.00 | cafuego | Daaaani: apt-setup |
20:48.57 | paulswm | cafuego: frost free |
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20:49.11 | jetscreamer | ahh because there can be 4 primaries i guess |
20:49.21 | paulswm | !win jetscreamer |
20:49.21 | dpkg | Congratulations, jetscreamer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
20:49.29 | Rawplayer | cool |
20:49.31 | peterS | jetscreamer: right - 4 slots in the primary partition table. they may or may not be in use, but Linux reserves the numbers for them |
20:49.38 | jetscreamer | i used to like spam a long time ago |
20:49.49 | paulswm | baked beans and spam |
20:50.00 | pseubodot | spam spam spam |
20:50.06 | paulswm | heh |
20:50.10 | Daaaani | whats the package name of apt-setup? |
20:50.14 | Phated | zinx: http://www.thinkgeek.com/pcmods/cables/6b35/ |
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20:50.23 | jetscreamer | strangely enough, apt-setup |
20:50.24 | Flimzy | Daaaani: apt |
20:50.28 | aurax | !win aurax |
20:50.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, aurax! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
20:50.31 | aurax | :P |
20:50.31 | Phated | No, base-config. |
20:50.33 | aurax | ayy |
20:50.38 | Flimzy | Daaaani: n/m |
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20:50.39 | cafuego | paulswm: They're apparently much louder, though. |
20:50.42 | jetscreamer | !info apt-setup |
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20:50.54 | peterS | !find bin/apt-setup woody |
20:50.55 | cafuego | paulswm: Then again, a fridge that starts gurgling might be funny for the cats, |
20:50.58 | abrotman | i don't think apt-setup is its own package |
20:51.09 | peterS | I'm sure phated is right, but we'll see what dpkg thinks |
20:51.16 | jetscreamer | i did |
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20:51.19 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apt-setup' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup) in base/base-config. |
20:51.21 | jetscreamer | no sech animal |
20:51.22 | Flimzy | apt-setup is in base-config |
20:51.22 | Phated | :) |
20:51.36 | jetscreamer | !moron jetscreamer |
20:51.37 | dpkg | jetscreamer: You are moron #71 |
20:51.39 | greycat | !find bin/apt-setup sarge |
20:51.49 | peterS | greycat: I doubt it has moved |
20:51.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apt-setup' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup) in base/base-config. |
20:52.03 | paulswm | cafuego: like any background noise, everyone gets used to it very quicky |
20:52.09 | msf | dpkg -S /usr/sbin/apt-setup |
20:52.10 | dpkg | There is no record of a /usr/sbin/apt-setup package |
20:52.23 | cafuego | paulswm: The one I have now is whisper quiet. |
20:52.24 | peterS | msf: doesn't work for me, I purged base-config a long time ago |
20:52.25 | Flimzy | duh |
20:52.31 | Flimzy | a package name can't ahve a / in it |
20:52.40 | msf | dpkg -S apt-setup |
20:52.41 | dpkg | There is no record of a apt-setup package |
20:52.44 | msf | hrm |
20:52.44 | greycat | Flimzy: factoid keys are case insensitive, so it's being parsed as -s |
20:52.47 | cafuego | paulswm: I have enouigh noice in the house from 1) My damned neighbour and his fucking dance music and 2) the computers |
20:52.49 | msf | works on m unstable machine |
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20:52.55 | Flimzy | green_earz: ah |
20:52.56 | greycat | !literal cmd: -s (.*?) |
20:52.56 | dpkg | CMD: -s (.*?) is ($1): <reply> (Package: $1: Status: install ok installed|There is no record of a $1 package|You Fool! $1 is installed!) |
20:52.58 | Flimzy | blah |
20:52.59 | paulswm | cafuego: my home office with the computers in is so noisy I never hear the fridge, heh |
20:53.00 | Flimzy | greycat: ah |
20:53.04 | Phated | Yeah, because it's a -bot- on IRC. |
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20:53.32 | Flimzy | dpkg --search /usr/sbin/apt-setup |
20:53.33 | dpkg | no idea, Flimzy |
20:53.44 | cafuego | dpkg -l moron-detector |
20:53.44 | dpkg | No packages found matching moron-detector |
20:53.46 | Flimzy | heh... and it doesn't like long options either, apparantly |
20:53.52 | greycat | dpkg, cmd: -s (.*?) =~ s/You/(Dingos|Badgers) ate my $1!|You/ |
20:53.52 | dpkg | OK, greycat |
20:54.04 | paulswm | cafuego: wow, loud dance music, you lucky guy |
20:54.26 | cafuego | speedfreak too |
20:54.30 | cafuego | damn kids |
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20:54.45 | streuner_ | jet; http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/index.html |
20:54.46 | paulswm | loud |
20:54.55 | peterS | paulswm: didn't know that stuff existed |
20:54.56 | cafuego | paulswm: Did I tell you about the other neighbours? |
20:54.59 | streuner_ | jetscreamer: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/index.html |
20:55.04 | paulswm | cafuego: no |
20:55.18 | cafuego | dock workers |
20:55.20 | paulswm | peterS: I have like 90db proof it exists |
20:55.26 | tarzeau | peterS: can you update your mirror? |
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20:55.44 | jetscreamer | k thx again |
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20:55.51 | cafuego | mirror mirror on the wall, who's the fastest of them all |
20:55.54 | peterS | tarzeau: sure. remind me where to update from? |
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20:56.16 | paulswm | cafuego: That's like a retired Sailor's club? |
20:56.26 | peterS | cafuego: not me, I've only 256 kbit upload. despite the claim by my ISP that I was being upgraded to 384. |
20:56.31 | tarzeau | peterS: http://gnustep.ethz.ch/pub/gnustep/ |
20:56.43 | streuner_ | jetscream: there is everything you need, if you upgrade your system, partition the old one or optimize your system... |
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20:57.00 | cafuego | paulswm: More like a tatooed built-like-brick-shithouse men's meeting place. (Their uninion fought the law, and the union won) |
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20:57.21 | ribnitz | heyas |
20:57.41 | cafuego | peterS: 256k is crap (I have it too) |
20:57.50 | paulswm | cafuego: so can't you persuade them to go round to your neigbor and tell him to turn off his pantie-waist dance music? |
20:58.02 | tarzeau | cafuego: heh |
20:58.06 | Flimzy | peterS: They probably upgraded someone else by accident |
20:58.08 | peterS | cafuego: for most practical uses I'm perfectly happy with 256 kbit. I still download a whole lot more than I upload, after all. but it'd be *nice* to have more. |
20:58.12 | greycat | better than 128kbps. |
20:58.24 | peterS | Flimzy: I have been late paying bills lately - not paying attention - maybe they figured this was payback |
20:58.27 | cafuego | paulswm: They're *scray* ;-) |
20:58.31 | cafuego | scary too |
20:58.33 | Flimzy | peterS: hehe |
20:58.44 | paulswm | cafuego: well yes, that's the whole point |
20:58.56 | aurax | i remember there was a good site with os screenshots using the subdomain shots.* anyone knows what im talking about ? |
20:58.58 | cafuego | paulswm: Every other word they utter is 'fuck' |
20:59.23 | cafuego | Well, actually, they're quite nice. They towed a car for me that had been dumped in the lane in ebtween us :-) |
20:59.54 | cafuego | The only real bummer is that their HQ got a liquor license. |
20:59.55 | Phated | WTF is "pantie-waist" dance music? |
21:00.01 | paulswm | cafuego: probably holding the rope in their teeth |
21:00.30 | paulswm | Phated: it's an expression for effeminate |
21:00.43 | Phated | Ahh. |
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21:00.51 | Phated | There's effeminate dance music? |
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21:01.11 | asuffield | Phated: <cough> culture club |
21:01.12 | paulswm | no I don't |
21:01.31 | paulswm | !win asuffield |
21:01.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, asuffield! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
21:01.33 | Phated | asuffield: No bloody clue. The only dance music I know is avoid-at-all-costs. |
21:01.44 | paulswm | Phated: well there you are then. |
21:01.51 | asuffield | you've never encountered culture club? geez |
21:02.08 | Phated | I'm actually semi-grateful for it. |
21:02.10 | dondelelcaro | well, most stuff that calls itself dance music is crap... but there are a few things that get lumped into the category that are pretty good |
21:02.14 | cafuego | asuffield: Phated was born in the nineties (just about) |
21:02.25 | Phated | I believe he's aware. |
21:02.28 | paulswm | early 50s here |
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21:02.38 | zinx | <- early 80s |
21:02.39 | cafuego | !boyGeorgeSmite Phated |
21:02.44 | paulswm | heh |
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21:02.54 | caphuso | cafuego: oh, come on, that's too evil, even for you |
21:03.07 | peterS | tarzeau: sucking down your iso now, I'll move it into place after it's done. let me know when you get a .torrent file I should mirror as well. |
21:03.13 | cafuego | caphuso: Cthulfuego's trying to get out again |
21:03.14 | dondelelcaro | gah... caphuso and cafuego are talking again... |
21:03.15 | greycat | karma karma karma karma, karma chameleon |
21:03.23 | peterS | dondelelcaro: hehe |
21:03.26 | Phated | dondelelcaro: Don't you hate it? |
21:03.34 | dondelelcaro | now all three people who I can't distinguish between are talking |
21:03.46 | Phated | Which three? |
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21:03.59 | dondelelcaro | Phated: I get greycat, caphuso and cafuego confused |
21:04.11 | cafuego | dondelelcaro: The other two are just chatbots |
21:04.12 | Phated | I can see caphuso and cafuego, but greycat? |
21:04.35 | greycat | it's the number of letters |
21:04.46 | Phated | Fair enough. |
21:04.47 | *** part/#debian csmith (csmith@chimera.apmaths.uwo.ca) |
21:04.47 | cafuego | hence dondelelcaros nick |
21:04.47 | tarzeau | peterS: okay, thank you |
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21:05.02 | Phated | Sticks out like a sore thumb. :) |
21:05.05 | tarzeau | peterS: will/have you ever tried it, btw? |
21:05.08 | paulswm | yeah but a lot of the nicks are 7 letteres |
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21:05.19 | Phated | Like yours. :) |
21:05.19 | cafuego | with 'c's in them |
21:05.22 | cafuego | that's never good. |
21:05.25 | Md | I'm the udev maintainer, and I'm looking for ISDN users. please /msg me if you have any experience of ISDN and 2.6 kernels |
21:05.27 | peterS | tarzeau: actually, no. I meant to try it a long time ago but never got around to burning a CD |
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21:05.37 | greycat | Wow. That's brave. |
21:05.48 | cafuego | Md: <heh> |
21:05.48 | tarzeau | peterS: now you can use qemu -cdrom GNUSTEP-i386-0.9.4.iso |
21:05.52 | paulswm | yeah, and tarzeau, peterS etc |
21:06.00 | cafuego | Md: You should preemptively put mwilson on ignore |
21:06.05 | Phated | Heh. |
21:06.08 | *** part/#debian meursault (~meursault@80-218-42-241.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
21:06.22 | Flimzy | I haven't used ISDN since 2.6 came out |
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21:06.26 | paulswm | anyone still use ISDN, I guess so |
21:06.30 | Flimzy | and even then, I used serial devices |
21:06.36 | Phated | tarzeau: What's this iso about, then? I've been semi-following your convo. |
21:06.43 | cafuego | Speaking of, I have a Cisco 801 ISDN router for sale. |
21:06.46 | peterS | that's why he's having trouble finding ISDN users to tell him how udev should handle various devices |
21:06.52 | peterS | because almost *nobody* seems to be using it anymore |
21:07.04 | D-fence | Hi all, how is it possible to have vim colors through ssh ? |
21:07.10 | tarzeau | Phated: it has NETHACK! |
21:07.13 | Flimzy | And I have 3 Ascend ISDN pipeline 75 ISDN routers for sale, for 50% of whatever cafuego is asking for his :P |
21:07.14 | greycat | D-fence: ssh doesn't make a damned bit of difference. |
21:07.25 | Phated | tarzeau: And? Link to info? :) |
21:07.28 | greycat | D-fence: it's between your terminal emulator, your $TERM variable, and the program you're running. |
21:07.29 | paulswm | funny really, because not much more than a couple years ago, it was the dog's bollocks |
21:07.33 | tarzeau | Phated: http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
21:07.34 | Flimzy | And several USR Courier I-Modems, and some sort of internal ISDN card |
21:07.36 | peterS | Phated: GNUstep on a live bootable CD. I'm one of his mirrors for this thing, although my mirror is awfully slow |
21:07.38 | cafuego | Flimzy: HA! I was offering mine with a $100 bonus! |
21:07.41 | tarzeau | Phated: completely free software! |
21:07.48 | Phated | Interesting. I should try it. |
21:07.52 | tarzeau | peterS: every mirror counts! |
21:07.52 | Flimzy | cafuego: hehe |
21:07.55 | greycat | tarzeau: do you have enough users of this thing to justify bittorrent> |
21:08.00 | peterS | Phated: it's 370 MB, have fun |
21:08.06 | Phated | Oh dear. |
21:08.13 | tarzeau | greycat: i currently have enough bugs to not put it on bittorrent yet (wait till monday) |
21:08.14 | peterS | greycat: for his previous version he had a .torrent |
21:08.19 | tarzeau | greycat: the mirror at work is 1000mbit ;) |
21:08.20 | Phated | Ah well. I do have CD-Rs lying around and just plugged in my CD-RW. |
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21:08.33 | D-fence | greycat: I don't understand, I'm connecting to a machine and then to another and I don't see any colors in vim |
21:08.38 | tarzeau | Phated: feedback is very welcome, and help improve things |
21:08.40 | Flimzy | I should put my ISDN stuff on eBay... maybe I can get $5 out of the stuff now, as opposed to the -$5 I'd get in a year |
21:08.44 | Phated | tarzeau: Does it have an IRC client on it anywhere? |
21:08.47 | greycat | D-fence: then you have something wrong, but it's *not* ssh |
21:08.56 | tarzeau | Phated: yeah right bottm, click on "TalkSoup" |
21:09.02 | Phated | Good lord, my BeatrIX iso has finished dowloading while I was still awake. |
21:09.04 | cafuego | Flimzy: Mine at least can be bought for $25 by someone who needs a IOS training device. |
21:09.17 | tarzeau | Phated: there's 3500 nicknames from which one is choosed from (if the bug wasn't there) |
21:09.22 | Flimzy | cafuego: yah. *sigh* |
21:09.35 | tarzeau | Phated: and it autoconnects to irc.gnustep.org #gnustep |
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21:09.40 | ribnitz | evening. |
21:09.41 | Flimzy | cafuego: I have a lot of old ISP equipment I need to sell... that I'm sure nobody will want. |
21:09.48 | D-fence | greycat: Ok, Thanks. But what do you advise then ? |
21:09.50 | ribnitz | Phated: morning for you. |
21:09.51 | paulswm | If everyone with ISDN kit waits until it is like completely outdated, toresbe will prolly buy it from you |
21:10.04 | Phated | tarzeau: I see. I presume I should test out the 0.9.4 iso? |
21:10.12 | Phated | ribnitz: Top o' the mornin' to ye, sonny. |
21:10.13 | cafuego | paulswm: toresbe wouldn't know isdn kit if he stumbled over it |
21:10.16 | toresbe | paulswm: I have several ;) |
21:10.20 | Phated | cafuego: Oh yes he would. |
21:10.24 | paulswm | !win paulswm |
21:10.24 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won the US presidency! |
21:10.25 | Flimzy | isdn kit? |
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21:10.29 | tarzeau | Phated: yes please |
21:10.31 | quittt | I hate Gnome and KDE games |
21:10.34 | Phated | Granted, s/stumbled/ejaculated/ |
21:10.35 | paulswm | toresbe: :D |
21:10.35 | quittt | can I delete them? |
21:10.43 | cafuego | Flimzy: kit ~ hardware. Don't confuse with KITT. |
21:10.46 | tarzeau | quittt: try console games, like nethack. or www.mtp-target.org or gnustep games! |
21:10.47 | Phated | tarzeau: Righto. Download in progess... :) |
21:10.48 | sussudio | "Gertrude Walton, a deceased eighty-three-year-old woman, was named as the only defendant in a federal lawsuit filed by a group of record companies. They claimed Walton made more than 700 pop, rock and rap songs available for free on the Internet under the screen name 'smittenedkitten.' Needless to say, the suit has since been dropped." |
21:10.56 | sussudio | i see dead people. sharing beastie boys. |
21:10.57 | Flimzy | toresbe: Do you have a Livingston portmaster 2e w/ ISDN ports yet? You can have one now for a wonderful low price!! |
21:11.01 | zinx | cafuego: KITT.... you get those at radioshack? |
21:11.05 | joebob2000 | way to quote slashdot |
21:11.09 | joebob2000 | i didnt know this was #yesterday |
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21:11.14 | toresbe | I'm sort of bad at ISDN theory |
21:11.16 | quittt | tarzeau, yes I know |
21:11.16 | sussudio | joebob2000: you're yesterday |
21:11.19 | cafuego | The Beastie Boys were playing down the road here last weekend. |
21:11.22 | quittt | tarzeau, but can I delete them? |
21:11.30 | quittt | tarzeau, I like my menu games clean |
21:11.30 | tarzeau | quittt: of course. |
21:11.30 | toresbe | I do have a digital PABX I picked up at a fleemarket, with 7 phones and a TA |
21:11.33 | quittt | with only good games |
21:11.41 | cafuego | zinx: They can only be purchased off the back of a (moving) truck. |
21:11.49 | ribnitz | sussudio: all you need is a filesharing client, and a permanent inet connection. |
21:11.53 | greycat | sussudio: only 700? damn... they'd fucking *hate* me. |
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21:11.58 | sussudio | ribnitz: and a pulse. |
21:12.03 | calin | SOMEONE SHOW ME THEIR BOOBS! |
21:12.09 | paulswm | toresbe: I love you, man |
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21:12.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cs6710177-64.houston.rr.com] by greycat |
21:12.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso |
21:12.20 | *** kick/#debian [calin!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (no) |
21:12.20 | sussudio | greycat: i don't think they look on GiFT |
21:12.23 | toresbe | cafuego: Hah, moobs :D |
21:12.23 | *** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat |
21:12.29 | quittt | tarzeau, but Gnome Desktop tells that I need Gnome games |
21:12.30 | ribnitz | sussudio: you only need to be alive to start it. |
21:12.32 | quittt | what hell |
21:12.41 | joebob2000 | sussudio: snap son! |
21:12.44 | tarzeau | apropos BOO*, www.linuks.mine.nu/boomerang.jpg |
21:12.51 | ribnitz | quittt: Gnome is bloatware (and so is kde) |
21:12.52 | peterS | ribnitz: and somehow you have to keep paying the ISP bills after you die |
21:12.54 | paulswm | toresbe: I just *knew* you'd have old kit like that |
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21:13.01 | deadcat | this aint geeks gone wild. |
21:13.02 | Phated | Wouldn't you know. |
21:13.06 | cafuego | hey, I've swum 4500m this week, i have great moobs. |
21:13.13 | ribnitz | peterS: ebanking. |
21:13.22 | peterS | ribnitz: right, just saying, you have to set this up explicitly |
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21:13.35 | ribnitz | peterS: yes, ofc. |
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21:13.40 | netic | hi. how do i tell wine to use some win native dll in some specified directory? |
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21:14.04 | toresbe | Finally, a decent HTML WYSIWYG editor for Unice! |
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21:14.23 | toresbe | paulswm: I don't know nearly enough about ISDN |
21:14.45 | toresbe | paulswm: But ISDN is/was extremely popular in Norway |
21:15.02 | cafuego | toresbe: WYSIWYG editor? Where? |
21:15.04 | toresbe | paulswm: something like 60% of phone lines here are ISDN lines |
21:15.06 | Phated | tarzeau: Which? |
21:15.08 | Phated | Er, toresbe. |
21:15.12 | quittt | damn |
21:15.17 | quittt | why Gnome will need Gnome games? |
21:15.19 | toresbe | cafuego: It's for IRIX :P |
21:15.26 | cafuego | toresbe: Pfffft. |
21:15.27 | Phated | Pft. |
21:15.30 | toresbe | hehe |
21:15.40 | quittt | it is so stupid |
21:15.47 | quittt | I always hated those stupid game |
21:15.51 | quittt | I prefer my Quake III Arena |
21:15.55 | toresbe | well, still, it's a wysiwyg that isn't Windows You See, Windows You Get :P |
21:16.00 | quittt | this wasting of space |
21:16.02 | cafuego | I suppose I could emulate one of those at a fairly decent speed with the right software |
21:16.12 | caphuso | quittt: then why did you install the gnome package if you don't like the dependancies it pulls in? |
21:16.20 | cafuego | HAHHA! |
21:16.30 | grivell | quittt: Gnome doesn't need to have Gnome-games installed. |
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21:16.35 | netic | toresbe: ISDN was popular in slovakia too. but only because of monopol telecomunication. they first made money on ISDN and then they came with ADSL |
21:16.38 | quittt | grivell, yes it does |
21:16.45 | cafuego | a MS banner ad on this site is completely not working right. How typical. |
21:16.51 | Phated | We ought to make it so that cafuego is forced to change his nick to cthulfuego whenever he and caphuso are around. |
21:17.01 | toresbe | netic: Yeah |
21:17.02 | Phated | cafuego: Why are you clicking on MS ads? |
21:17.03 | caphuso | grivell: the gnome metapackage pulls in about damn near every gnome package |
21:17.09 | toresbe | netic: We have a de-facto monopoly |
21:17.12 | grivell | quittt: Not, just remove the package that depends on it then, and select all those that the previous package depended on. |
21:17.16 | cafuego | Phated: not clicking, it just displayed |
21:17.19 | grivell | quittt: Use 'aptitude' |
21:17.26 | quittt | grivell, yes |
21:17.47 | Phated | cafuego: Ah. |
21:17.48 | grivell | caphuso: Yes it does, which is why I don't bother with it, I just manually select. |
21:17.48 | caphuso | i'd do a "!depends gnome", but i don't want to get dpkg kicked for flooding :-) |
21:17.56 | Phated | Hehe. |
21:18.12 | Phated | No, you can just install gnome-desktop-environment. I don't think that one has gnome-games. |
21:18.13 | greycat | it's a good thing you can't do "!depends -r <pkg>" |
21:18.32 | caphuso | oh, that'd be real fun |
21:18.32 | peterS | greycat: oh, indeed |
21:18.41 | peterS | let's see what depends on libc6 |
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21:18.47 | quittt | grivell, gnome-desktop-eviromnent tells me that it need Gnome games |
21:18.50 | greycat | peterS: no, I meant recursive, not reverse |
21:18.55 | peterS | ahh |
21:19.00 | deadcat | quittt: if you use gnome. DONT BITCH |
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21:19.07 | toresbe | netic: It's sad - they used to be a very cool company, but then they got a new CEO, and now they are profitable and universally despised |
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21:19.08 | Phated | Amen. |
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21:19.23 | grivell | quittt: So do what I said. Get rid of gnome-desktop-environment and manually select all it depends on except gnome-games. |
21:19.35 | greycat | or just remove gnome-games afterward. |
21:19.53 | Phated | Besides, what's wrong with GSame? XD |
21:20.10 | grivell | It is not a big deal. I personally wish dpkg depended on Battle for Wesnoth though ;) |
21:20.14 | Phated | Jesus, why does this thing have to eject on completed burn... |
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21:20.33 | sussudio | Phated: because you told it to? |
21:20.47 | greycat | or didn't tell it not to... |
21:20.47 | deadcat | Phated: dont use -eject (= |
21:21.01 | deadcat | Phated: try -dontfuckeject |
21:21.07 | Phated | This si some rubbish windows app. So ner. |
21:21.19 | Flimzy | Phated: Well then there's your problem |
21:21.21 | MasterYoda | I am trying to configure a usb printer with cups, when I connect it, the kernel reports that I have usblp0 and a /dev/usb/lp0 device is created, but cups will not print to that device |
21:21.22 | Phated | Yeah yeah. |
21:21.28 | deadcat | Phated: then DONT BITCH (= |
21:21.34 | Phated | deadcat: Bitch. :) |
21:21.35 | MasterYoda | any idea? |
21:21.54 | caphuso | a friend of mine broke his CD burner because of autoejecting after burning |
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21:22.07 | Phated | How so? |
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21:22.22 | sussudio | Phated: it's nero, isn't it. |
21:22.26 | caphuso | he stood up, made a step forward and hit the thing right that ejected at the exactly wrong time :) |
21:22.30 | Phated | No, DeepBurner. |
21:22.43 | Phated | cafuego: Whaaaat? |
21:22.48 | sussudio | i'd prefer a shallow burn |
21:23.00 | Phated | First-degree all the way, eh. |
21:23.04 | deadcat | caphuso: shit happens (= |
21:24.00 | cafuego | Phated: eh? |
21:24.16 | Phated | cafuego: I was trying to parse. Brain not working. Sorry. :) |
21:24.33 | cafuego | caphuso: That's what warranty is for. I've had two DVD burbers die (and be replaced). |
21:24.44 | Phated | Errr... GODDAMNIT CAFUEGO change your nick. :) |
21:25.08 | paulswm | Autoejecting after burning is, however, a good thing in military aircraft |
21:25.13 | nostromo^ | which is a bigger memory hog: postgres, or mysql? |
21:25.21 | Phated | cafuego: I just confused you with caphuso. |
21:25.23 | greycat | run both and benchmark it. |
21:25.23 | deadcat | nostromo^: mysql |
21:25.31 | sussudio | !confuse Phated |
21:25.31 | dpkg | No, those are our weasel yesterday, Phated? shirts of the people's republic of belarus with extra ham |
21:25.37 | toresbe | cafuego: I actually had a burner with autoeject screw up one of my potential routers |
21:25.42 | Phated | Well thanks, that cleared it all up. |
21:25.42 | PerfDave | nostromo^: Who cares? PostgreSQL is worth buying more RAM for ;) |
21:25.44 | cafuego | nostromo^: That dpeends on the DBs you have open, stored procedues, number of connected users etc. |
21:25.47 | asuffield | the memory usage of postgresql depends entirely on how much memory it's told to use |
21:25.53 | toresbe | I was playing dosgames on it, while I was burning Debian netinstall |
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21:26.08 | asuffield | almost everything it uses is cache, and that's from the config file |
21:26.16 | paulswm | !win PerfDave for advocating postgresql |
21:26.17 | dpkg | Congratulations, PerfDave for advocating postgresql! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia! |
21:26.22 | ABet | Any US-americans around, who wants to help settle an offtopic bet? |
21:26.24 | nostromo^ | hmmm, gotchya. |
21:26.25 | nostromo^ | thanks |
21:26.26 | toresbe | the burner was an external SCSI job, and when it ejected, it shoved a cup of coffee a mate of mine placed there |
21:26.31 | Phated | Heh. |
21:26.38 | toresbe | into the case |
21:26.42 | Phated | Cup-non-holder. |
21:26.47 | toresbe | cupshover |
21:27.05 | toresbe | I still haven't decided if it's a pusher or a shover bot :P |
21:27.12 | Phated | Pusher. |
21:27.19 | toresbe | hmm, yeah, true |
21:27.26 | paulswm | well 'cuppusher' sounds to much like a sneeze |
21:27.31 | toresbe | ups |
21:27.32 | paulswm | s/to/too/ |
21:27.33 | toresbe | needs larger velocity to shove :P |
21:27.40 | Phated | !win paulswm |
21:27.41 | dpkg | Congratulations, paulswm! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
21:28.01 | toresbe | PerfDave: :O teh TERIBLE SECRET OF SPACE |
21:28.13 | Phated | What, killing your typing? |
21:28.41 | toresbe | Phated: You're just not *in* on the joke, are you |
21:28.53 | paulswm | ABet: so what's the bet |
21:28.57 | toresbe | I could never make a typo with my IBM clicky(tm) keyboard |
21:29.12 | Phated | Hah. |
21:29.12 | ABet | paulswm : How many zeroes does a us-american million have? |
21:29.24 | paulswm | ABet: 6 |
21:29.26 | toresbe | ABet: Million is universal |
21:29.40 | Daaaani | i got this usb ext hdd (q-tec 3.5" IDE to USB hdd case) how do i mount it? |
21:29.44 | paulswm | ABet: 9 in a billion, 12 in a trillion |
21:29.46 | Phated | toresbe: No, it isn't. |
21:29.54 | Phated | Actually, it is. |
21:30.00 | Phated | It's a billion that isn't. |
21:30.01 | ABet | Phated ? |
21:30.04 | Phated | !lose me |
21:30.05 | dpkg | phated: You Lose. |
21:30.14 | Phated | ABet: Anyways, 6. |
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21:30.17 | webmind | anyone know if squid in debian/sarge has ipv6 support ? |
21:30.24 | ABet | Strange .. I alwas thought that million differed. |
21:30.26 | ribnitz | ABet: its the billion that isnt. |
21:30.26 | cafuego | Daaaani: usb-storage (it will show up as scsi disk) |
21:30.33 | Phated | paulswm: You mean 9 in a milliard, 12 in a billion. :) |
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21:30.42 | paulswm | Phated: and trillion, quadrillion, etc, they're all different |
21:30.48 | PerfDave | Actually, a billion *is* universal. The UK adopted US-billion (1e9) as the standard back in the late 70s, 1e12 is incorrect. And countries other than UK and US don't count ;) |
21:30.48 | asuffield | what the heck is a milliard? |
21:30.53 | cafuego | Phated: yanks count differently from the rest of the world. |
21:30.55 | paulswm | Phated: 9 in a US billion |
21:31.00 | hedonick | ABet: well, that's probably because you have such a strange way of counting in .dk ;-) |
21:31.00 | Phated | What americans call a million, asuffield. |
21:31.08 | Phated | cafuego: They do. |
21:31.13 | Daaaani | cafuego: where can i find it? |
21:31.25 | paulswm | UK thousand million = US billion |
21:31.27 | ABet | paulswm : Well, I think in danish a billion is 1 times 10^12 |
21:31.30 | cafuego | asuffield: 10^9 = milliard (you call it a billion) |
21:31.31 | greycat | US million = 10^6; billion = 10^9; trillion = 10^12; etc. |
21:31.49 | PerfDave | paulswm: UK thousand million = UK billion = US billion :) |
21:31.54 | cafuego | Europe: million, millard, trillion, trillard |
21:32.13 | Phated | Million, milliard, billion, etc, isn't it? |
21:32.16 | PerfDave | cafuego: So what's the European equivalent of the American retion? ;) |
21:32.21 | paulswm | PerfDave: I thought a UK billion was 10^12 |
21:32.41 | PerfDave | paulswm: See my comment of two minutes ago |
21:32.48 | cafuego | paulswm: UK != Europe ;-) |
21:32.57 | Phated | tarzeau: Which was the IRC client again? |
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21:33.06 | cafuego | paulswm: Europe doesn;'t have that high a national debt, so we don't need a name for that number. |
21:33.10 | deadcat | !uk |
21:33.11 | ABet | cafuego : So .. how much is a million in the UK? |
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21:33.22 | Phated | 6 zeroes. |
21:33.24 | cafuego | ABet: 10^6 |
21:33.41 | [Granger] | heh 1968 |
21:33.43 | paulswm | in *my* day, a billion was a million squared |
21:33.47 | [Granger] | you're old enough to be my brandfather |
21:33.55 | [Granger] | grandfather* |
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21:34.07 | deadcat | hes old enough to die i think |
21:34.07 | paulswm | mind you, a pound was 20s or 240d as well |
21:34.09 | Phated | paulswm: Until US started saying it was a million * thousand. |
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21:34.23 | asuffield | cafuego: europe doesn't *have* a national debt. the accountants lost it |
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21:34.28 | Phated | Heh. |
21:34.35 | asuffield | [Granger]: then that makes you about six years old |
21:34.41 | greycat | I'm sure they know quite where it's buried. |
21:34.41 | cafuego | paulswm: Hey, THESE days a million is 1024 squared ;-) |
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21:34.48 | Daaaani | how do i mount an scasi disc? |
21:34.53 | greycat | cafuego: nope, that's a mega :) |
21:35.03 | sussudio | scasi? |
21:35.04 | ribnitz | Daaaani: with mountr |
21:35.08 | ribnitz | er mount |
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21:35.11 | ABet | Thanks for help me ... though I'm quite surprised, and apparently losing the bet.. |
21:35.18 | cafuego | asuffield: It's hiding under the butter atoll in the center of the milk lake. |
21:35.20 | ribnitz | sussudio: SCSI |
21:35.28 | Phated | ABet: As long as you didn't bet a billion. |
21:35.32 | sussudio | ribnitz: could be SCA |
21:35.40 | cafuego | Ow! |
21:35.42 | ABet | Phated : I bet a sixpack :P |
21:35.51 | tarzeau | Phated: TalkSoup |
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21:35.54 | Phated | Pft. |
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21:35.56 | ribnitz | sussudio: SCA Special Interest? |
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21:36.04 | Phated | tarzeau: Ah. Their page seems to be down. Thanks. |
21:36.10 | sussudio | ribnitz: i believe they're hot-swappable scsi drives |
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21:36.21 | Phated | NO GUNS! |
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21:36.39 | tarzeau | Phated: their page is not down. was the network configured? start termianl, type ifconfig , ping www.gnu.org |
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21:36.51 | tarzeau | Phated: i have tested it also. and it worked for me |
21:36.57 | hedonick | Phated: depends on what one bets... I recall paying over a million for 4 persons rooms... but this was in Yugoslavia... and some years after the inflation REALLY got up to speed :) |
21:36.58 | Daaaani | what name will the 1 scasi disc get? |
21:36.58 | paulswm | I haven't got one anyway, just a Walther P38 |
21:37.08 | Phated | tarzeau: Ahem. I'm online, talking with you right now. The network is configured, thank you. |
21:37.10 | cafuego | !lart paulswm |
21:37.17 | deadcat | Phated: HAHAHAHAH |
21:37.23 | paulswm | aargh |
21:37.24 | Phated | deadcat: :) |
21:37.31 | ribnitz | Daaaani: sda |
21:37.43 | deadcat | probably a dns thing. always dns. |
21:37.47 | Phated | tarzeau: Anyways, I was referring to the main talksoup page. The aeruder.net one. |
21:37.52 | paulswm | How ironic, I lived in Louisville for 5 years |
21:38.04 | Phated | Pft, only five? :) |
21:38.06 | tarzeau | Phated: ahh that, yeah that's down. i mean the TalkSoup icon on the live cd |
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21:38.19 | paulswm | Great place |
21:38.23 | Phated | tarzeau: No, I haven't finished downloading that yet. Sheesh, it's 371 megs. |
21:38.31 | cafuego | maybe a tcp_ecn issue |
21:39.34 | paulswm | we are unusually short of n00bs in here, or folks having problems with nvidia cards |
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21:40.04 | Thaiger | Hey can anyone help me? I had lilo before, compiled a new kernel and had trouble getting it to appear in the menu, so I switched to grub because I hadn't had a problem configuring it before, but now when I boot it says something like unknown partition type |
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21:40.16 | Daaaani | where can i chenge what drives shall be mounted at startup? |
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21:40.22 | greycat | Daaaani: man fstab |
21:40.33 | ribnitz | Thaiger: on i386? |
21:40.41 | paulswm | Thaiger: did you compile ide support and your root filesystem support into your kernel |
21:40.50 | Phated | paulswm: I thought you'd put a filter on "nvidia". |
21:41.04 | Berlin | Hello I've got a Server in the Internet where I've got only access via ssh. I think I've crashed my lilo config, because the system is not starting. I could start the server in a special mode and it loads a rescue system. So that I could access it. Now I've to find out if lilo occours this problem. So how could I determine if a system is started or if there is a lilo configuration error? When I look@ the syslog its empty. Therefore I think the |
21:41.28 | paulswm | Phated: no, I can't bear to think I might be missing something! |
21:41.28 | Thaiger | ribnitz: yes i386 |
21:41.43 | Thaiger | paulswm, It won't boot my old kernel let alone my new one |
21:41.55 | Thaiger | paulswm, actually it'll boot my new one if I do it manually |
21:41.58 | sbk | Thaiger: you probably have an incorrect name for your root entry in the grub.conf (assuming you're not booting of some unusual filesystem :) |
21:42.02 | Phated | paulswm: Hehe. |
21:42.04 | ribnitz | Thaiger: whats fs is your boot partition |
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21:42.12 | Thaiger | ribnitz, ext3 |
21:42.29 | ribnitz | Thaiger: worx fine here |
21:42.59 | paulswm | Thaiger: check /boot/grub/dvice.map and menu.lst and ensure they're consistent and referring to the right partition (grib partitions start at 0, and so go hard drives) |
21:43.12 | paulswm | s/dv/dev/ |
21:43.17 | Thaiger | I can go into the grub command line and boot my new kernel just by typing kernel /boot/newbzImage then boot, but it doesn't work with my old kernel on the same partition |
21:43.54 | paulswm | Thaiger: is your old kernekl in / or in /boot? |
21:44.05 | ribnitz | Phated: they are offering low-cost trips to .sg.. |
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21:44.20 | Thaiger | paulswm, / |
21:44.37 | Thaiger | but / and /boot are the same partition |
21:45.13 | Phated | ribnitz: Do it do it do it! |
21:45.13 | paulswm | Thaiger: they are different directories, grub reads the filesystem unlike lilo |
21:45.17 | Phated | ribnitz: Who? |
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21:45.55 | ribnitz | Phated: some of those charter airlines no one knows. |
21:45.57 | paulswm | Thaiger: run update-grub and see if works without error |
21:46.05 | Phated | ribnitz: Ah. |
21:46.15 | Phated | ValuAir or something is decent, I've been told. |
21:46.16 | Berlin | How could I check if my system was booted or if a lilo error occoured... ? |
21:46.29 | Thaiger | paulswm, OK thanks |
21:46.32 | greycat | if it's not booted, you can't check for errors, because you can't do shit. |
21:46.34 | Phated | They'll never beat SQ for sheer quality, but ah well. |
21:47.03 | ^Diablo^ | <PROTECTED> |
21:47.04 | paulswm | Thaiger: my pleasure, feel free to ask more questions :) |
21:47.07 | ribnitz | Phated: have made good experiences with EK,, |
21:47.37 | ribnitz | Phated: only problem is the stopover in dubai.. |
21:47.49 | Phated | Heh. |
21:48.03 | ribnitz | Phated: 2 hours, form like 2am to 4am. |
21:48.24 | Phated | Not too bad, then. Time for a quick stretch and some duty-free? :) |
21:48.28 | ^Diablo^ | hi |
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21:48.40 | ^Diablo^ | what's the spanish debian chanel? |
21:48.47 | sussudio | !es |
21:48.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
21:48.48 | streuner_ | !es |
21:48.54 | ^Diablo^ | thanks |
21:48.54 | sussudio | !win me |
21:48.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, sussudio! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
21:48.57 | Berlin | greycat: I've got a server in a server center by a provider. Therfore I've just ssh access... I think I crashed my lilo config. But my provider has a special boot mode where my server boots in a rescue system, therfore I've got access to my server. Now I have to find out why my server won't start. I think I crashed my lilo config. But I'm not sure. Therefore I want to know if the system was booted but it was just not accessible by the network. |
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21:49.39 | ribnitz | Berlin: dmesg, syslog? |
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21:49.59 | greycat | Berlin: *HOW* does it boot into this "rescue mode"? |
21:49.59 | Berlin | ribnitz: the syslog is empty, therfore I think its not started |
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21:50.35 | ribnitz | Berlin: what does last |head tell you? |
21:50.37 | Glitch_Master | Does anyone here know the precise name of the roland-made "GS" midi patch file that M$ stole? Also, would one happen to know where I might find a copy of it that will work with timidity? |
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21:50.45 | Berlin | greycat: It loads a rescue image during bootup from a TFTP Server. Ehm it boots a os from the network. |
21:51.02 | greycat | Berlin: so, just type "uname -r" and see which kernel it's on. |
21:51.12 | Berlin | ribnitz: what do you mean ? |
21:51.13 | greycat | or "cat /proc/version" |
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21:52.05 | ribnitz | Berlin: last |head does some analysis of btmp/utmp, giving you the most recent logins. restarts are in there too. |
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21:52.47 | ribnitz | can xine play a directory that looks like a dvd? |
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21:52.56 | greycat | <pedantic> wtmp, not utmp </pedantic> |
21:53.07 | greycat | ribnitz: try it and find out |
21:53.30 | Berlin | 2.4.27-1-686 is the kernel running... (from the rescue system) |
21:54.15 | Berlin | greycat: 2.4.27-1-686 is the kernel from the rescue system |
21:54.26 | greycat | and which kernel is on your local disk? |
21:55.34 | Berlin | ehm I'm really not sure... i've got the files vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 vmlinuz-2.4.20 in my /boot |
21:55.54 | greycat | seems clear enough to me. |
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21:56.25 | Berlin | Ohhh... and can you help me greycat ? |
21:56.36 | greycat | I think I just did. |
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21:56.48 | greycat | you wanted to know whether you were booted from the rescue system or from the local disk, right? |
21:56.55 | Berlin | nooo |
21:57.35 | Berlin | I want to know if there was problem after booting my system or if the system couldn't be booted because a lilo error was ther |
21:57.45 | greycat | so get a serial console and WATCH IT BOOT. |
21:58.13 | Berlin | greycat: thats not possible the server is in a server center at my provider |
21:58.18 | Berlin | thats my problem |
21:58.28 | Berlin | I've just ssh access |
21:58.56 | greycat | well, you ain't gonna know why it doesn't boot if you can't see it boot. |
21:58.58 | ribnitz | greycat: menus dont work. |
21:59.00 | Berlin | I think when my /var/log/syslog is empty the system hasn't boot, right? (I deleted the file before I bootup) |
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21:59.14 | greycat | *sigh* |
21:59.22 | greycat | if it DOES NOT BOOT, you get NOTHING. |
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21:59.38 | greycat | there will be NOTHING WRITTEN TO DISK because there is NO DISK MOUNTED TO WRITE IT TO |
21:59.52 | Berlin | greycat: ok thanks |
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22:00.07 | Glitch_Master | Eh... |
22:00.10 | Glitch_Master | Pie. |
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22:01.30 | Berlin | greycat: damn, how could I fix this problem? Have you got an Idea. My problem is I can't see the system boot. I can just try some lilo configuration changes and rebot and reboot. Is there a good tool configures my bootloader, so that it should work ? |
22:01.37 | paulswm | Berlin: can't you check your lilo.conf and run lilo? |
22:01.48 | greycat | I gave you my idea. get a serial console. or get thee to the data center. |
22:01.53 | Berlin | paulswm: I can check it and run lilo |
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22:02.10 | paulswm | Berlin: and lilo runs without error? |
22:02.34 | Berlin | paulswm: I'm not sure because I could not see it boot. Because the server it not here... |
22:03.16 | paulswm | Berlin: I understand. But you are now on your system with a rescue kernel, right? |
22:03.26 | notty | hello, i have 2 sound cards, how do i make one of them the default one ? |
22:03.50 | Berlin | paulswm: yes :) |
22:04.14 | notty | the /dev/dsp link is all i have to do ? |
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22:04.23 | paulswm | Berlin: so, if you execute lilo, you can see its output,, right? |
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22:04.48 | Berlin | paulswm: yes I'm in a chroot and could do anything I could do on my normal system |
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22:06.38 | Bizarro_paco | hello everyone..i hope all are well. |
22:06.42 | paulswm | Berlin: well that's what I was meaning. Closely check your lilo.conf, and then run lilo to reinstall it, and see of it outputs any errors. Check your fstab, too, particularly the root entry. |
22:06.56 | Daaaani | how do i install glcore? |
22:07.23 | beowu1f | sorry 3G...not G3 |
22:07.33 | Berlin | paulswm: lilo puts Added Linux * out |
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22:07.45 | AngelGabriel | How can use my wireless card to spot all the wireless connections in my vicinity? |
22:07.46 | Berlin | paulswm: and no errors.. |
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22:08.07 | paulswm | OK, so lilo's happy with your config |
22:08.25 | Berlin | paulswm: But I'm not happy :( |
22:08.34 | Bizarro_paco | i have sarge, and i am using black box. i am having trouble displaying mozilla when i am in my daily user, but not in root. any ideas? |
22:08.36 | Berlin | paulswm: because it doesn't boot the system.. |
22:08.48 | PerfDave | AngelGabriel: "apt-cache search wireless" shows a few tools that might be of use. |
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22:08.57 | paulswm | Berlin: did you change kernels, or filesystems, or what since your last successful boot? |
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22:09.19 | beowu1f | AngelGabriel: must install a wireless toolkit first... one with the 'iwconfig' ustility in it |
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22:09.47 | Loevborg | when running grub-install /dev/hda I get an error message: Running "install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,4) /boot/grub/stage2 p /boot/grub/menu.lst "... failed |
22:09.52 | PerfDave | beowu1f: Doesn't /etc/network/interfaces take care of that for you? |
22:09.53 | netbrain | hey. im trying to create one big partition with lvm and two harddrives. if i pvcreate /dev/hdx. will all the data on the disk be deleted? |
22:09.53 | Berlin | paulswm: I run a dpkg-reconfigure -all and there was also lilo reconfigured and it told me something about boot problems but I read not good enough. I think it makes some kernel changes |
22:10.17 | Loevborg | the error is "Error 22: No such partition" - I want to switch to grub from lilo, using devfs-style udev |
22:10.27 | Loevborg | anyone have a clue? |
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22:10.49 | beowu1f | AngelGabriel: then type [iwlist wlan0 scan] |
22:11.15 | Bizarro_paco | the error message i get running mozilla in blackbox is: Gtk-WARNING **:cannot open display. this only occurs as a daily user; mozilla displays fine in root. |
22:11.17 | Daaaani | i get faild to load glcore using configfile /etc/xf86config-4 so |
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22:11.23 | Daaaani | can i reconfigure it someway? |
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22:11.39 | Growly | hmph. |
22:11.40 | paulswm | Berlin: if you do anything with kernels, including if they get relocated on the disk (even if the directories stay the same), you have to run lilo. Lilo keeps a map of the physical disk sectors, it doesn't read filesystems. Maybe now you've run lilo, you'll boot OK. |
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22:12.10 | Berlin | paulswm: you could have a look here: http://nopaste.php-q.net/112755 |
22:12.15 | paulswm | OK |
22:12.20 | Bizarro_paco | loevbug: re-install the distribution, and use lilo instead of grub |
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22:12.51 | Growly | Does anyone else have a Promise FastTrak S150 SX4-M ? |
22:12.52 | Thaiger | I'm using the tulip module for my onboard nic right now, but what do I compile into the kernel to get it to work? |
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22:12.53 | Berlin | paulswm: I run and run lilo and trying much config settings.. but the system doesn't boot |
22:12.55 | Ryuujin | Uhm.. Yeah.. I get this dependency problem when trying to install mysql-server - It claims it needs mailx so when I add that, it needs libvpopmail1.. but that's impossible as apt-get -f install reports "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libvpopmail-dev_5.4.4-1_i386.deb (--unpack): | trying to overwrite `/var/lib/vpopmail/include', which is also in package vpopmail-bin"... Any idea of what I should do? |
22:12.58 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): reinstall and use lilo |
22:13.04 | AngelGabriel | PerfDave, beowu1f Thanks for your input! |
22:13.11 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, I use lilo. want to switch. |
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22:13.28 | paulswm | Berlin: OK, let's walk through this. |
22:13.30 | Berlin | paulswm: by the way, thanks for your help |
22:13.47 | paulswm | Berlin: you are most welcome ;) |
22:13.53 | valdyn | Ryuujin: which debian release? |
22:14.02 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): the problem is that grub has trouble with certain components; for me, i have a three year old laptop that came with WIN98, 2nd, and it cannot take grub. |
22:14.17 | AngelGabriel | PerfDave, beowu1f That is just showing me the APs i want to see the other wireless clients |
22:14.43 | Ryuujin | valdyn: an upgrade is not plausable as it's a corporate server so don't suggest that... but I honestly don't have a clue. My boss just hired me. |
22:14.51 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, I thought it was supposed to be inherently superior. |
22:14.52 | Ryuujin | I'm guesssing 3.0, though. |
22:14.56 | Daemon | Hello, I am attempting to install Debian on to my server, going from a Redhat user to a Debian User... now i have found the FTP Server, but to me I see 7 iso files that are marcked for i86 machines... |
22:15.10 | Berlin | paulswm: do you see any things which are wrong in my config file ? |
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22:15.16 | Berlin | paulswm: or could be wrong ? |
22:15.17 | valdyn | Ryuujin: i suspect youre mixing packages from different releases |
22:15.29 | beowu1f | hmmm...have to get back to u on that one |
22:15.31 | Ryuujin | valdyn: maybe, but what's the solution... |
22:15.33 | Growly | Daemon: You only need disk 1 to install, the rest are packages I think. |
22:15.34 | paulswm | Berlin: I'm looking |
22:15.37 | valdyn | !info libvpopmail-dev woody |
22:15.38 | Phated | Daemon: You can use the first CD alone as a network install. |
22:15.46 | Daemon | Do I have to download and install all those ISO files |
22:15.54 | Daemon | ok |
22:15.55 | beowu1f | AngelGabriel: ever used 3g.. or know of anyone using it under linux |
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22:15.55 | Phated | Daemon: Or /msg dpkg d-i, that is a more recent version than woody. |
22:16.09 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): yes it is superior, but, unfortunantely, with superiority comes in inexorable quirkiness that sometimes cannot be explained. |
22:16.12 | Ryuujin | !info libvpopmail-dev woody |
22:16.18 | paulswm | Berlin: your root partition *is* /dev/hda2, right? |
22:16.22 | daaani | how do i reconfigure xf86Config-4 ? |
22:16.28 | Growly | How do I list devices? |
22:16.29 | Berlin | paulswm: yes |
22:16.31 | valdyn | so this package isnt from woody |
22:16.34 | asg | daaani: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
22:16.40 | ribnitz | daaani: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
22:16.44 | Growly | What's the Debian equivalent of the Windows Device Manager? |
22:16.53 | Berlin | paulswm: and is has a bootable flag |
22:16.55 | ribnitz | Growly: there isnt |
22:16.57 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): r u using testing or stable? |
22:16.57 | asg | Growly: cat /proc |
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22:17.04 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, this is explainable, it's just a plain bug: update-grub doesn't work with udev - which is enitrely ridiculous |
22:17.05 | asg | s/cat/ls/ |
22:17.12 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, unstable |
22:17.20 | Ryuujin | valdyn: so do you know a solution? |
22:17.25 | grivell | Growly: lspci -v :) |
22:17.36 | Growly | lspci sucks :( |
22:17.37 | paulswm | Berlin: the bootable flag doesn't matter to the Linux boot loaders, just a bit of trivia for you :) |
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22:17.44 | valdyn | Ryuujin: that depends on what you are trying to do |
22:17.48 | ribnitz | Growly: wat you wanna achieve? |
22:17.48 | roods | anyone know how to use sed to replace newlines with commas? |
22:18.03 | ribnitz | roods: google? |
22:18.04 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): well, if u spent a lot of man hours and a lot of late nights solving it, it wouldnt be worth it. |
22:18.19 | Ryuujin | valdyn: just install mysql-server as it's needed and it got uninstalled while removing qmail (which I have no clue why it did) |
22:18.19 | paulswm | Berlin: please paste here the one line from your /etc/fstab which refers to root |
22:18.23 | Growly | Driver status |
22:18.23 | asg | roods: sed -e 's/\n/,/' |
22:18.25 | valdyn | Ryuujin: if you want to run woody, then dont use sarge or sid packages and vice versa |
22:18.31 | valdyn | Ryuujin: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list |
22:18.38 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, it's even got a bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284266 |
22:18.50 | abdutron | je |
22:18.50 | Berlin | paulswm: by the way here is a little bit file structure: http://nopaste.php-q.net/112756 (I gonna paste now the other line here) |
22:19.15 | grivell | Growly: as in, is it loaded? lsmod, or dmesg | less |
22:19.15 | Berlin | paulswm: /dev/hda2 / ext3 errors=remount-ro,usrquota 0 1 |
22:19.16 | Growly | I don't have a /proc directory |
22:19.16 | valdyn | Ryuujin: make sure only woody sources are in there |
22:19.38 | Growly | yes i do |
22:19.40 | Daemon | Thankyou so much for the information, and Im quite sorry for coming into a devs room... just been bothering me tomuch, the docs wernt to much of help, wasnt sure if I had to download a floppy bootloader... |
22:19.41 | Growly | oops. |
22:19.43 | roods | asg, ya that is what i'm doing and it isn't working |
22:19.50 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): but remeber, there is a time/effort things u have to consider too...lilo functions well enough that u really dont need grub..grub is really nice with its graphical aps, but it isnt absolutely necessary. |
22:19.54 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, I'm staying with lilo for now |
22:20.06 | valdyn | Ryuujin: Assuming you want this box to be and stay woody |
22:20.09 | ribnitz | Growly: besides /proc, there might also be /sys |
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22:20.18 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, I'd love to have the shell etc. to be able to recover in case of emergency etc. |
22:20.21 | Ryuujin | valdyn: that'd be my option, yes - and it's fixed now :) |
22:20.39 | Daemon | Does Debian support GUIs? Like KDE and/or gnome |
22:20.43 | valdyn | Ryuujin: how? |
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22:20.47 | Ronin | Daemon: yes it does |
22:20.52 | Daemon | awsome |
22:20.53 | grivell | Daemon: Yes it has both and more. |
22:20.59 | paulswm | Berlin: it all looks fine to me |
22:21.00 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): yes, but remember to always save your docs on disc, so u really wont be in a heap if something does go wrong |
22:21.14 | grivell | Daemon: Check out 'aptitude'. A great package manager. Or synaptic. |
22:21.15 | Growly | it says: WWServer02:~# cat /proc |
22:21.15 | Growly | cat: /proc: Is a directory |
22:21.18 | AngelGabriel | beowu1f, 3g? never heard of it - google searches are throwing back 3g mobile phone networks |
22:21.26 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): myself, i am having issues with blackbox. |
22:21.28 | psyc_ | is there a better diagram tool or dia is good enough for you ? |
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22:22.07 | daaani | it keep saying that glcore is missing :( |
22:22.10 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, that won't hose you data though :) |
22:22.14 | Ryuujin | valdyn: reason I installed qmail was because of a 23xxxx lines long file after grep'ing /var/log/mail.log with entries of qmail trying to send spam to ++300 completely different hosts.. I just removed all unstable entries from sources.list... ^^; |
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22:22.43 | paulswm | Berlin: I don't know where else to look. It looks like it should boot fine. Isn't there anyone who can watch it boot at the data center wher the box is located? |
22:22.48 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): what?? |
22:22.49 | valdyn | Ryuujin: alright, nice |
22:22.54 | Daemon | Does Debian work well on a Pent 200 mhz ? |
22:23.02 | Ryuujin | It would, yes. |
22:23.06 | Ryuujin | Debian works on most systems. |
22:23.13 | Daemon | For processing and Memory managment |
22:23.15 | Daemon | Awsome |
22:23.21 | Ronin | Daemon: yes but i wouldn't recommand runing kde on that |
22:23.23 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, if blackbox breaks, you wont lose you data. |
22:23.37 | grivell | Ronin: KDE isn't bad on that with enough memory :) |
22:23.40 | paulswm | Daemon: I'm running sarge on a 166HZ with 32 MB memory |
22:23.40 | Daemon | ok...and what about a 400mhz w/ kde? |
22:23.46 | paulswm | 166KHz |
22:23.50 | Daemon | Sweet |
22:23.54 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): true, but i am having annoyances with les critical issues then data loss |
22:24.02 | Berlin | paulswm: but my system is still not avaiable over the internet. after a reboot. (Therefore I thought about it could be a network problem and I've got to find out if the system was booted but just the network not set up correctly). |
22:24.02 | grivell | Daemon: My uncle's system is 366 mhz celeron. Works slow, but fine. |
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22:24.07 | paulswm | Daemon: the 400 will be fine but X will be a bit slow |
22:24.13 | Daemon | ok |
22:24.22 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, I'm being sympatheic. |
22:24.24 | valdyn | Daemon: 32mb ram is just enough ) |
22:24.39 | Daemon | Its not games or entertainment..I work well with editors anddevelopment for my projects... |
22:24.44 | Berlin | paulswm: no. ;( And as I thinking on it I activated iptables as a init.d script |
22:24.47 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): what x do u use? |
22:24.50 | paulswm | Berlin: it looks like it should boot OK, I think you're going to have to seek support from the data center where they can get at your box |
22:24.52 | Daemon | Just getting tired of corrupted files...and the crap you get from windows |
22:25.04 | Ryuujin | valdyn: thanks a lot for your help (guidance through my bliss of ignorance caused by drowsyness and being tired..) |
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22:25.21 | asg | roods: oh, since sed splits on newlines, replacing one is very difficult apparently. (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PerlGolf) |
22:25.26 | valdyn | Ryuujin: welcome |
22:25.27 | Berlin | paulswm: My last question. When the syslog is empty that means that the system hasn't boot. I'm right ? |
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22:25.45 | Daemon | ...any suggestions anyone would make for someone new to Debian? |
22:25.56 | Daemon | ...but not new to the linux worlkd..lol |
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22:26.13 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, gnome2 & metacity (if that's what you mean) |
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22:26.34 | paulswm | Berlin: that means it hasn't started the logging daemons yet, it could have booted but it certainly hasn't finished getting to the default runlevel |
22:26.34 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): how do u like gnome? |
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22:26.51 | Berlin | paulswm: oooh damn... |
22:26.53 | asg | roods: try "tr '\n' ',' < foo.txt" (as a possible alternative) |
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22:26.58 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, it's good, really. |
22:26.59 | valdyn | Daemon: /msg dpkg d-i and install that, if you need somewhat recent software, but seeing at what kind of box you are going to use, just install woody |
22:27.18 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, slow though, I'd prefer my terminal to come up in less than 3 sec. |
22:27.30 | Daemon | ok |
22:27.32 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): ha ha ha |
22:27.56 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): black box takes less then a half a second |
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22:28.04 | JohnGH | Is there a howto available on how to install Sarge from a running (sarge) system? - I have a machine with no CD-ROM and no floppy drive and I want to put a bigger hard disk in. |
22:28.13 | PerfDave | JohnGH: The Installation Manual |
22:28.14 | valdyn | Daemon: sarge doesnt necessarily demand more cpu / ram, but woody is more stable and might be fine despite its age |
22:28.25 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, but that has to do with my lame hard drive. using xterm instead of gnome-terminal would be faster too. |
22:28.31 | paulswm | Berlin: try to back out any changes you made and get it to a bootable state. You should anyway *always* back up and system files which you change. For instance, if you change /etc/fstab, first 'cp -p /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.000', the -p will preserve the timestamp on the copy |
22:28.33 | myTB|eViL|away | Guten Abend. |
22:28.58 | paulswm | Berlin: I really don't see how I can help you further. |
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22:29.13 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): from my little experience of using gnome, i thought there was both a 'terminal' option and a shell option..correct? |
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22:29.35 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, what would that be supposed to mean? |
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22:30.07 | valdyn | !confuse Bizarro_paco |
22:30.08 | dpkg | Yes, who are your ferret tomorrow, Bizarro_paco? lederhosen of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra anchovies |
22:30.14 | paulswm | JohnGH: You want to add a hard drive, or replace one? |
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22:30.22 | JohnGH | PerfDave - thanks I had skimmed it but wasn't looking in the right section - you made me look again :o) |
22:30.39 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): maybe taking the shell option from the main menu would be quicker. |
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22:31.14 | paulswm | !comfort paulswm |
22:31.15 | dpkg | There, there, paulswm. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
22:31.16 | JohnGH | paulswm: It's a small form factor Dell 233 with space for only one hard disk, so I will need to replace it. |
22:31.42 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, dont think so. |
22:31.49 | paulswm | JohnGH: did you find anything in the installation manual to tell you how to do it? |
22:31.58 | JohnGH | I have the case open and the second hard disk is connected as /dev/hdc at the moment |
22:32.26 | JohnGH | But that's only for while I'm installing, then I'll swap it over to be /dev/hda once it's installed and take out the old disk. |
22:32.27 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): what processor u running, and how much ram? |
22:32.46 | Loevborg | is it really necessary to install kernel sources to build ndiswrapper? |
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22:33.04 | Loevborg | Bizarro_paco, p4-1600 256MB |
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22:33.19 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): thats cool |
22:33.20 | valdyn | Loevborg: no, kernel-headers are fine |
22:33.44 | Loevborg | valdyn, then how do I invoke debian/rules? |
22:33.57 | JohnGH | paulswm: not step by step yet, I've just found places where it says things are possible. |
22:34.06 | valdyn | Loevborg: thats not the way to build kernel modules in debian, so you dont |
22:34.17 | Loevborg | valdyn, okay.. make-kpkg? |
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22:34.23 | valdyn | Loevborg: just try "module-assistant" |
22:34.39 | Bizarro_paco | (Loevborg): what do u like better, meta or gnome? |
22:34.53 | valdyn | Loevborg: yes - make-kpkg is the debian way and a level below modules-assistant ( which does about everything for you ) |
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22:35.09 | paulswm | JohnGH: you using grub or lilo? |
22:35.14 | JohnGH | It's also got a PXE card in it... but from memory (5 years ago) I'd need to set up a tftp server and dhcp server... (and I already have one on my network which is on my router - so won't be configurable to push pxe info) |
22:35.15 | IdiotStic | does the ia-64 sarge netinst work on an amd64? I've burned 4 coasters so far that won't boot or even mount, even after re-downloading twice from the debian site. |
22:35.43 | Yabden | ia64 is a different architecture, gotta get the x86-64 one |
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22:36.01 | JohnGH | paulswm: I have just recently started using grub, I've used LILO for 10 years... :) I'm happy with both, but I think I'd prefer to use grub now if I can. |
22:36.04 | Loevborg | valdyn, didn't know that one! |
22:36.23 | IdiotStic | I didn't see an x86-64 kisted. is it in unstable? |
22:36.30 | IdiotStic | listed even |
22:36.32 | paulswm | good, it's easier to correct screwups, I did the same as you :) |
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22:36.48 | Yabden | not sure where it is at, just ia-64 is the itanium architecture |
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22:37.00 | pack | anyone seen anything about serial data getting corrupted when dma isn't turned on? |
22:37.07 | ciga | dpkg asks for (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? I want to answer Y to all. is there a way? |
22:37.07 | IdiotStic | Yabden: that makes sense |
22:37.08 | dpkg | ciga: that's too long |
22:37.29 | JohnGH | I've also thought about trashing my USB drive with an install image and going from there... I just thought it might be easy enough to go from an already running system to get the data down over the network and the partitions ready to go... |
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22:37.57 | paulswm | JohnGH: you don't need to install. Just make a grub floppy, partition the new drive, copy over your current partitions using cp -ax, power down, switch the drives, boot up with a grub floppy and install grub, and bioot. |
22:37.57 | valdyn | Loevborg: you are using the ndiswrapper debian packages arent you? |
22:38.23 | IdiotStic | Yabden: the web site said the ia-64 supported the athlon 64, which was confusing to me heh |
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22:38.34 | Loevborg | valdyn, "ndiswrapper-source" |
22:38.35 | Yabden | yeah the different architecture names are pretty cryptic |
22:38.37 | paulswm | JohnGH: well, mk the filesystems after you partition, of course :) |
22:38.49 | valdyn | Loevborg: ok, fine |
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22:39.42 | JohnGH | paulswm: this is a rather old machine that was upgraded from woody, I'd prefer to install it new rather than copying everything over - otherwise I'd just use partimage on another machine I just built and image it over the network. |
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22:40.34 | paulswm | JohnGH: OK, then I wouldn't know how to do that, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were so experienced or I wouldn't have gone into such excruciating detail |
22:40.47 | Loevborg | valdyn, can't seem to make it work with a different kernel than the currently ("uname") running one |
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22:41.07 | JohnGH | paulswm: I appreciate the ideas - thank you. |
22:41.30 | valdyn | Loevborg: no idea if m-a does support that, make-kpkg does |
22:41.47 | lnx | bye |
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22:41.54 | paulswm | JohnGH: my pleasure, I'm moving stuff around all the time on my boxes. You stick a nickel in my hand and I automatically type the copy-to-new-disk sequence :) |
22:42.05 | Loevborg | valdyn, it claims to support it, but it doesn't seem to.. |
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22:42.59 | ribnitz | Any ideas how to split a dvd of a size of 6-8G into two (valid) half-size dvds of 3-4G each? |
22:43.00 | valdyn | Loevborg: you need to cd into the kernel-headers-blah directory of whichever kernel you want it to compile for, then make-kpkg modules-clean && make-kpkg modules-image |
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22:43.54 | valdyn | Loevborg: whatever is the currently running kernel is irrelevant for this. |
22:43.57 | JohnGH | paulswm: yup - I've been playing with partimage this week and enjoying it - I'm in the process of coming up with a way to re-image the Windows XP machines in my mate's internet cafe... |
22:44.53 | Glitters | how should i choose the file system type of the hda? on partitioning the disk, it prompt me to "Use as: do not use" and i pressed enter. or should i leave it that way? |
22:45.05 | paulswm | JohnGH: Use ntfsprogs (ntfsclone and ntfsresize) for ntfs stuff, they're really good, I've done Xp imaging and resizing a lot and they work just great |
22:45.08 | JohnGH | I want to make a minimal Linux system in the top block (7mb) of the disk which uses partimage to restore an image from the D: drive back over a 10GB C: |
22:45.38 | JohnGH | paulswm: I did :o) I used them to make a 10GB C: partition on what was a 40GB disk. |
22:45.45 | valdyn | Loevborg: i would guess that m-a does support that too and might even be alot easier, i jus never use m-a |
22:45.58 | Berlin | paulswm: I run dpkg-reconfigure lilo and told it to create a new config it created this one: http://nopaste.php-q.net/112763 |
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22:46.52 | paulswm | JohnGH: they are just a really fscking good pair of programs, I love them |
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22:47.10 | Loevborg | valdyn, how can make-kpkg tell what module to build? |
22:47.55 | Loevborg | valdyn, each that was unpacked in /usr/src/modules? |
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22:48.13 | valdyn | Loevborg: you extract all xxx-source.tar.[gz|bz2] packages, they end up in /usr/src/modules. make-kpkg by default builds everything in there |
22:48.15 | JohnGH | paulswm: they rock :o) |
22:48.21 | paulswm | Berlin: well that doesn't look right, it wants to install on your partition boot record instead of the MBR and there's no reference to your initrd |
22:48.22 | valdyn | Loevborg: yep |
22:48.56 | Berlin | paulswm: yes that there is no initrd looks strange to me but dpkg build the file so |
22:48.59 | Loevborg | valdyn, ahh that worked great |
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22:49.11 | nostromo^ | how do i go back a word in vim? |
22:49.22 | Glitters | i used the ReiserFS Journal for my root directory, is it correct? |
22:49.25 | Loevborg | valdyn, so that is easy - question is, why is this so poorly documented? |
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22:50.02 | caphuso | nostromo^: run "vimtutor" |
22:50.24 | valdyn | Loevborg: I dont know how it is documented |
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22:50.40 | Loevborg | valdyn, oh that is stupid! it installed the modules to /lib/modules/2.6.10 instead of /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686 |
22:50.49 | valdyn | Loevborg: I use this for 5+ years so uh, i dont recall where I found it |
22:50.51 | nostromo^ | caphuso, i don't need vimtutor. got my answer, though. thanks. |
22:51.10 | Bizarro_paco | can anyone tell me the command for removing blackbox? |
22:51.14 | valdyn | Loevborg: because your headers are configured that way |
22:51.29 | Loevborg | valdyn, how to reconfigure them? |
22:51.35 | valdyn | Loevborg: cp /boot/config-2.6.10-686 <headerdir>/.config |
22:51.47 | paulswm | JohnGH: I have found a very good rescue disk to be here: http://www.sysresccd.org/ - just the other day, I booted it on an XP laptop, it auto-configured my ethernet card, I mounted a NFS share on another box, ntfscloned the XP partition over the network to the share, messed around some in XP, then ntfscloned (restored) the partition from the share, all worked great, it's a gentoo based CD but it has an excellent set of tools |
22:51.49 | Loevborg | valdyn, I see |
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22:52.58 | valdyn | Loevborg: "make oldconfig" after that |
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22:53.32 | Loevborg | valdyn, it's not THAT easy :) |
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22:54.01 | valdyn | Loevborg: yea, that's why there's m-a |
22:54.18 | Loevborg | valdyn, I think make-kpkg already invokes oldconfig |
22:54.59 | valdyn | Loevborg: I didnt know if it does even for "modules-image" |
22:55.37 | Glitters | what the hell..... |
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22:55.43 | Glitters | what a strange error messege :S |
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22:55.59 | Glitters | No installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources |
22:56.05 | paulswm | Loevborg: here's a doc which I've found useful: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php |
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22:56.13 | PerfDave | Hmm, this is odd. I've compiled the driver for my webcam with module-assistant, and it's loaded and the camera is recognised in /var/log/messages, but GnomeMeeting won't see it. Any ideas? |
22:56.15 | Glitters | what should i do now? :S |
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22:56.36 | JohnGH | paulswm: hmmm cool 112074kb - Nice fit on USB stick :) |
22:56.40 | Glitters | it tells me, you may try to continue though this rather strange error is probably fatal. ! |
22:56.44 | uGexe | after doing modprobe emu10k1 my sound still does not work. is there some other module i have to load (debian sarge default kernel and using default module) |
22:56.52 | Glitters | some help please? |
22:57.05 | paulswm | JohnGH: I guarantee you'll like it, much better than messing with knoppix, etc |
22:57.10 | valdyn | Glitters: what are you talking about? sarge netinstall? |
22:57.11 | JohnGH | PerfDave: Which device file is GnomeMeeting talking to? |
22:57.24 | Glitters | yeah |
22:57.25 | JohnGH | paulswm: I'll give it a try - thanks :) |
22:57.26 | Glitters | the sarge |
22:57.32 | Loevborg | paulswm, thanks |
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22:57.40 | Glitters | is it normal? cause all the installation is gonna be live |
22:57.51 | paulswm | JohnGH: I even booted it on a 32MB old lappy to save off a Win95 partition :) |
22:58.15 | PerfDave | JohnGH: Dunno, it says it's auto-detecting devices and can't find any. |
22:58.33 | JohnGH | paulswm :) - Do you know if you can run it off USB? |
22:58.35 | valdyn | Glitters: try a different mirror? |
22:59.20 | Glitters | i have'nt yet used the net... |
22:59.27 | paulswm | JohnGH: I don't know, maybe there's something at the site or maybe just try anyway :) |
22:59.29 | JohnGH | PerfDave: has a device file been created for your camera? (I'm sorry I've not used a webcam under LInux before, so I don't know where it would be) - I'd probably try looking at files in /proc to see if any of them gave a device name. |
22:59.32 | Glitters | i just fineshed partitioning... and then this error msg came |
22:59.49 | paulswm | Loevborg: you are welcome |
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23:00.18 | Loevborg | I'm rebooting and trying again with modules-assistant |
23:00.32 | ribnitz | how would I split a set of vob files into two equal parts? |
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23:01.10 | ugly | ribnitz: well, if anything has a chance of doing it, it's probably transcode |
23:01.18 | ugly | ribnitz: ( http://transcoding.org ) |
23:01.33 | PerfDave | JohnGH: I'll check, thanks |
23:01.40 | tazle | where can I find information about the parameters accepted by kernel in boot? |
23:01.41 | ribnitz | ugly: I want two dvds, not transcode it to svcd or whatever. |
23:01.57 | bahamat | tazle: read the boot howto |
23:01.58 | JohnGH | PerfDave: it's USB right? |
23:02.08 | ugly | ribnitz: transcode does a *lot* more than just dvd<->some other format |
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23:02.32 | ribnitz | ugly: will look at it, thaks |
23:02.54 | PerfDave | JohnGH: Yep. Shows up in lsusb, detected by the kernel according to /var/log/messages, the module is loaded according to lsmod. |
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23:03.17 | tchino | which packages i have to install for cups |
23:03.24 | tazle | bahamat: bahamat do you mean this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html? |
23:03.34 | ribnitz | tchino: cups |
23:03.37 | bahamat | tazle: yep, that's the one |
23:03.40 | uGexe | do i have to edit users for them to hear sound |
23:03.43 | JohnGH | PerfDave: what modules is it? |
23:03.50 | tarzeau | uGexe: yes |
23:03.52 | bahamat | tazle: if you want more info than is in that howto, I suggest looking at the kernel documentation |
23:03.57 | tchino | ribnitz: in which url i can configure cups |
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23:04.09 | tarzeau | tchino: /topic |
23:04.16 | ribnitz | tchino: localhost:631 |
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23:04.17 | PerfDave | JohnGH: "quickcam" |
23:04.32 | tazle | bahamat: right, I first missed the root FS section, I was looking for network options |
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23:05.01 | JohnGH | paulswm: do you know if I can do something like downloading the sarge installer CD image, putting it in a filesystem on the original disk and booting it from grub on the original disk? |
23:05.11 | apokryphos | Hi; I'm new to Debian systems.... how would I install an RPM. That is to say, I've converted it to a .deb, but what now? Konqueror opens it in archive manager. |
23:05.21 | tazle | although it doesn't contain enough information, so it's kernel docuemntation I guess |
23:05.22 | uGexe | how do i add all users to sound group? |
23:05.33 | valdyn | apokryphos: dpkg -i <package> |
23:05.59 | paulswm | JohnGH: I don't know, I'm sorry, I'd be interested to know the answer though :) |
23:06.19 | valdyn | apokryphos: what uh, the better solution is to just find a real debian package |
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23:06.28 | paulswm | toresbe: you here |
23:06.36 | Berlin | paulswm: and you're sure when I've got delay=1 active i must not press any key to boot lilo ? |
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23:06.57 | JohnGH | paulswm: I'll have a look - from what I know grub needs a kernel and a root specified - unless I try booting it like you would boot a windows filesystem from grub :) |
23:07.00 | tchino | ribnitz: thank you |
23:07.02 | apokryphos | valdyn: Thanks :). |
23:07.08 | apokryphos | I'm sure it is |
23:07.10 | ribnitz | tchino: welcome |
23:07.26 | paulswm | Berlin: I don't think so, but I don't use lilo any more so man lilo |
23:07.41 | paulswm | Berlin: or man lilo.conf, rather |
23:08.22 | paulswm | JohnGH: That's prolly what you'd have to do |
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23:12.20 | nostromo^ | im trying to make php work under apache-ssl, and it wouldn't... i keep getting to "save as application/x-httpd-php" in firefox when connecting with https, but with http works fine.. (yes, i've enabled the LoadModule line for php4 in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf) |
23:12.45 | bahamat | nostromo^: add handler? |
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23:13.28 | nostromo^ | ok, i'll try that (never done that before. never needed to) |
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23:14.38 | corallis | if I want to be able to get a file from "http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/" with apt-get, what should I add to my sources.list? |
23:14.57 | dli | any lyx users? |
23:15.04 | tarzeau | dli: yes |
23:15.09 | nostromo^ | bahamat: what handler? there's nothing of the sort in /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
23:15.13 | dli | corallis, apt-setup |
23:15.16 | tarzeau | corallis: unstable, example telnet linuks.mine.nu |
23:15.41 | protein_origami | nostromo: I guess you must be using apache 1. My apache2 files are in a different place. By the way, you wouldn't happen to have both v1 and v2 installed, would you? That might explain your problem, if the https site was apache2. |
23:15.52 | caphuso | corallis: you can't just install random unstable packages on a non-unstable box |
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23:16.07 | dli | tarzeau, in math mode, \AA^2 gives me lyx error boxes, \AA and ^2 individually are okay |
23:16.20 | nostromo^ | protein_origami, i am.. it's woody. and no. don't think 2 is in woody at all.. |
23:16.25 | tarzeau | dli: unf i read lynx ;) |
23:16.26 | corallis | caphuso: how come? I have before... I'm just looking to get the eclipse IDE on my desktop here for java developement |
23:16.45 | bahamat | caphuso: nope, you have to install their dependancies too |
23:17.01 | FieldySnuts | I would imagine caphuso knows that |
23:17.02 | Glitters | what does DNS Servers do? |
23:17.08 | tarzeau | Glitters: they make DNS |
23:17.18 | Glitters | well obvious... |
23:17.20 | Glitters | but for what? |
23:17.25 | tarzeau | Glitters: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
23:17.27 | tarzeau | for me |
23:17.29 | Glitters | like... its used for networks? |
23:17.30 | FieldySnuts | google about DNS, it's a bit long to explain. short answer: convert host names to ip addresses, and ip addresses to host names. |
23:17.35 | tarzeau | Glitters: also check http://www.root-servers.org/ |
23:17.39 | tarzeau | Glitters: no, for DNS |
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23:17.53 | bahamat | corallis: because you'll have problems much worse than you can imagine |
23:18.04 | Glitters | i use /dns to resolve your ip adress :P |
23:18.08 | dli | tarzeau: oh, you are a lynx user |
23:18.14 | corallis | bahamat: I haven't on any of my other machines that I installed eclipse on |
23:18.22 | caphuso | dli: #lyx might be full of lyx users |
23:18.37 | tarzeau | dli: sometimes, yes |
23:18.44 | paulswm | Glitters: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
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23:18.55 | caphuso | yeah, looks like you can get away with installing eclipse on a sarge box |
23:19.06 | bahamat | corallis: do what you want, then. don't beg for help after you've been warned |
23:19.21 | dli | tarzeau, since you are a lynx user, this BBC report might be valuable for you, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4195339.stm |
23:19.27 | caphuso | corallis: but you need to make very sure that you don't accidentally upgrade half or more of your system to unstable |
23:19.28 | Berlin | paulswm: I could also run apt.. should i remove lilo and install grup or should I install any other things ? |
23:19.32 | tarzeau | dli: i've read it already, heh |
23:19.32 | JohnGH | PerfDave: are you having any luck? |
23:19.43 | corallis | caphuso: I know, Im just installing eclipse and then removing it from my sources.list |
23:19.58 | Berlin | paulswm: perhaps a other kernel ?! |
23:20.07 | dli | tarzeau, so, the good news is that you are not a briton |
23:20.19 | FieldySnuts | heh |
23:20.26 | tarzeau | dli: briton = from .uk? |
23:21.26 | dli | tarzeau: I thought so, no confidence at the legal meaning anyway |
23:21.30 | Glitters | well... can someone explain, how does it work please!? like the Mail Server used to serv as a box that store mails for others like yahoo mail server, hotmail server... and the DNS? i dont know what DNS Server exactly is, i just wanna know ceriously |
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23:21.51 | FieldySnuts | we already told you where to find the info, explaining it is too exhaustive |
23:21.51 | tarzeau | Glitters: read the url i pasted |
23:22.04 | tarzeau | Glitters: http://www.rscott.org/dns/ |
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23:23.54 | Glitters | tarzeau: it explains how to set up a DNS Server |
23:23.57 | Glitters | not what is it |
23:24.07 | tarzeau | no it explains what DNS is |
23:24.07 | FieldySnuts | @fgi dns |
23:24.22 | Glitters | i know what DNS is |
23:24.32 | Glitters | but i dont know what a DNS Server is |
23:24.32 | tarzeau | Glitters: why do you ask what it is, then? |
23:24.33 | FieldySnuts | ... |
23:24.52 | tarzeau | Glitters: a program that services DNS |
23:25.23 | Glitters | just to resolve host names and vice versa!? |
23:25.32 | PerfDave | JohnGH: It appears to have magically started working for no reason :/ |
23:25.42 | paulswm | Berlin: sorry, was afk, I don't know anything about administering remote servers so I really have no useful or safe advice for you, I'm sorry |
23:25.43 | neo10-CZE | Hello. I have one question... When quagga 0.98.0-3 was release ? |
23:25.45 | valdyn | Glitters: distributed database to resolve host names - yes |
23:25.47 | PerfDave | JohnGH: Restarting gnomemeeting seems to have helped. |
23:26.04 | dli | tarzeau, what the standard solution? when running dhcp once, it over write my resolv.conf for static IP |
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23:26.17 | FieldySnuts | uh don't run dhcp then |
23:26.20 | beck | where can i get cu program ? |
23:26.33 | FieldySnuts | or pass whatever that option is to your dhcp client to not overwrite resolv.conf (i forget) |
23:26.37 | dli | PerfDave, gnomemeeting is so poor in audio quality, I use skype now |
23:26.53 | dli | FieldySnuts, sometimes I'm on wireless :( |
23:27.00 | PerfDave | dli: Uhm, skype and gnomemeeting use the same audio codec. |
23:27.10 | paulswm | Glitters: I gave you a link which, together with the links at the top of that page, will answer all your questions, go look at it, here it is again: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm |
23:27.13 | Glitters | tarzeau: and why do you need to set up your entire hd just for resolving host names!? |
23:27.15 | PerfDave | I've had it working fine, but have reinstalled since then. |
23:27.23 | tarzeau | Glitters: who says that? |
23:27.26 | dli | PerfDave, why gnomemeeting works much worse :( |
23:27.27 | FieldySnuts | ravenbird: clue Glitters |
23:27.37 | tarzeau | dli: configure your dhcp properly |
23:27.39 | FieldySnuts | dli: because gnomemeeting is a peice of fettid dung |
23:27.41 | Glitters | paulswm: i know how to set up a network, i'm on a network actually :S |
23:27.52 | dli | FieldySnuts, no, when running dhcp, it needs a new resolv.conf |
23:28.05 | FieldySnuts | dli: you can pass a flag to the client to stop it from doing that, i forget what it is |
23:28.19 | dondelelcaro | just use resolvconf |
23:28.19 | paulswm | Glitters: do you see a link at the top of the page marked 'DNS'? That's what the FBI call a 'clue'. |
23:28.34 | dondelelcaro | it takes care of the issue of dhcpd messing with your nameservers nicely. |
23:28.37 | dli | FieldySnuts, anyway, forget it, I just make a resolv.conf.bak and copy it back each time for static |
23:28.42 | Glitters | paulswm: thanks for moking me |
23:28.51 | paulswm | Glitters: I am trying to help you |
23:28.53 | FieldySnuts | dli: idiot, there is a flag for that very reason. have fun doing it the hard way. |
23:28.54 | dli | dondelelcaro, that's nice :) |
23:29.26 | PerfDave | Anyway, Skype is evil propriatery weirdness and does odd routing. |
23:29.27 | FieldySnuts | damn. the thick skull number is way up there at the moment in here |
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23:29.27 | dli | FieldySnuts, flag for not to write reslov.conf? then, where to get dns? |
23:29.30 | paulswm | !win FieldySnuts |
23:29.30 | FieldySnuts | PerfDave: does it? what do you mean? |
23:29.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won the US presidency! |
23:29.32 | Agrajag- | PerfDave: yeah, but it works very well :) |
23:29.33 | dondelelcaro | FieldySnuts: relax... no need to call someone an idiot... if there's a problem, just use /ignore |
23:29.45 | FieldySnuts | roger |
23:29.54 | FieldySnuts | dli: read the man page to your dhcp client. i'm not saying any more. |
23:30.26 | Glitters | paulswm: i know what network is, dns is, ip as, port is, i just wondered why should there be a whol server just for using dns to resolving hostnames and vice versa.. its not like mail server or game server, which make sence to grab a whol hd for its purpose |
23:30.29 | FieldySnuts | cool. I'm under DDoS attack. |
23:30.30 | dli | FieldySnuts, thank you anyway |
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23:30.54 | FieldySnuts | 12Mbps line, good luck kids. |
23:30.59 | joebob2000 | Glitters: tell that to someone who realizes that the entire foundation of the internet relies SOLELY on dns |
23:31.41 | PerfDave | FieldySnuts: It routes all calls through centralised servers to avoid NAT issues, whereas Gnomemeeting requires you to forward a dozen ports. |
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23:31.58 | joebob2000 | Glitters: no, its not resource-intesive but it is to be taken VERY seriously |
23:32.01 | FieldySnuts | Glitters: the alternative is this: instead of typing www.debian.org in your browser, you have to manually remember, or have a huge book laying around and look it up, it's IP: 194.109.137.218. which would you rather remember? |
23:32.25 | GrayThunder | what is the easiest/most effecient way to (re)build a root files system disk from a 9 Gig scsi to a 146 Gig scsi drive? |
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23:32.42 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: what in the world is the actual issue? that by default Debian wants to use the entire harddrive? |
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23:32.55 | valdyn | GrayThunder: cp -aR |
23:33.01 | Covener | GrayThunder: cp -a, fix your boot stuff seperately |
23:33.15 | FieldySnuts | GrayThunder: drop to single user mode, or stick the disk in another system, rsync -avD / /somewhere-else , rsync -avD /somewhere-else /mount-point-of-new-drive , install boot loader if needed. |
23:33.22 | PerfDave | Agrajag-: I'm not particularly interested in propriatery solutions when I could do my best to assist the development of a Free alternative. |
23:33.22 | paulswm | Glitters: big DNS servers are very busy, and they are critical systems. LAN DNS servers usually serve other functions also. |
23:33.35 | FieldySnuts | GrayThunder: man rsync , and --exclude things you don't need. |
23:34.03 | Glitters | paulswm: you mean its used like, hosting!? |
23:34.10 | dli | paulswm, I thought dns is cached on local servers |
23:34.13 | Glitters | is that what the dns servers meant to do? |
23:34.21 | tazle | uhh, how are network interfaces configured at boot-time in debian? |
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23:34.28 | PerfDave | tazle: /etc/network/interfaces |
23:34.54 | tazle | hmm, right |
23:35.13 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: what is your actual question? If you can't answer that, kindly go elsewhere. |
23:35.18 | tazle | where are man pages located on the filesystem? |
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23:35.33 | dondelelcaro | tazle: where they're actually installed. |
23:35.38 | dondelelcaro | tazle: dpkg -L foopkg; if you want to know. |
23:35.53 | Glitters | dondelelcaro well i'm a newbie. ok? |
23:35.55 | paulswm | Glitters: A DNS server is just a box running software, the same as any other box. The owners can run what they like on them. |
23:36.08 | FieldySnuts | Glitters: nothing wrong with that, just ask us an actual question, that makes sense. |
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23:36.25 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: that's great, but you still must have some question or issue. |
23:36.33 | tazle | dondelelcaro: the problem is, my debian system isn't up, and I can't get it up without configuring a network interface on it's nfsroot, and all the interface file says is "see interfaces(5)", which isn't very helpful on FreeBSD |
23:36.45 | FieldySnuts | er |
23:36.54 | FieldySnuts | port? |
23:36.55 | Slant | How do I get Debian to use two seperate internet exposed interfaces to work well together? |
23:36.57 | valdyn | !man interfaces |
23:36.57 | dpkg | Edit /etc/network/interfaces. For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg |
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23:37.21 | tazle | nifty |
23:37.25 | dondelelcaro | Slant: you read the lartc section 4.2.{1,2} and implement the cookbook solution listed there |
23:37.28 | Glitters | i kinda understood, that the software that meant to run on a DNS Server computer, is a software that changes OR... set up domain names for IP Adresses for others to use as http... or ftp... or irc... or something like this. is that right? :O) |
23:37.32 | dondelelcaro | Slant: we talked about this yesterday |
23:37.35 | Flimzy | tazle: You have FreeBSD running from a Debian/Linux nfsroot? |
23:37.40 | FieldySnuts | ok you can't ask an actual question, sorry but I tried. |
23:37.40 | Slant | dondelelcaro: We? |
23:37.49 | dondelelcaro | Slant: yes. |
23:37.51 | tazle | Flimzy: I have Debian running from a FreeBSD nfsroot |
23:37.55 | Slant | dondelelcaro: I wasn't in here yesterday. |
23:37.58 | dondelelcaro | Glitters: all a DNS server does is resolve names. That's it. |
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23:38.07 | Slant | dondelelcaro: Thanks for your help, though. |
23:38.09 | Slant | I'm checking that now. |
23:38.17 | Glitters | ok i got it :P |
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23:38.22 | dli | tazle: how did you make that nfsroot? |
23:38.30 | Flimzy | tazle: And you just need to read the interfaces man page from the Debian nfsroot, on the FreeBSD machine, right? |
23:38.37 | dondelelcaro | Slant: ah, must have been someone else with the same (or similar) nick then |
23:38.38 | FieldySnuts | Glitters: this is what you should read: http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/domainnamesystem/g/bldef_dns.htm?terms=dns |
23:38.53 | Flimzy | tazle: /usr/share/man... But you shoulda been able to figure that out with 'locate' or 'find' |
23:39.02 | tazle | dli: with debootstrap, on a remote debian machine I don't have access to right now |
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23:39.10 | dondelelcaro | ah... it was Snader |
23:39.12 | FieldySnuts | though, that's not the greatest explanation. but it'll work |
23:39.13 | Glitters | damn, my eye is blinking since the morning :( |
23:39.13 | Slant | dondelelcaro: lartc = http://lartc.org/howto/ ? |
23:39.15 | dondelelcaro | s/d/dd/ |
23:39.17 | dondelelcaro | !lartc |
23:39.17 | dpkg | [lartc] Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/ |
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23:39.49 | looksaus | all my gnome programs seem to crash |
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23:39.54 | looksaus | on debian sid |
23:40.01 | looksaus | since my last update |
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23:40.14 | Flimzy | looksaus: I feel your pain |
23:40.18 | Glitters | FieldySnuts: thats what i mean :S |
23:40.19 | dli | tazle: but why in such a configuration? just being carious |
23:40.20 | looksaus | even the default gnome terminal |
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23:40.38 | looksaus | is this a known problem? |
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23:40.47 | Flimzy | looksaus: Did anyone ever teach you to use punctuation instead of the ENTER key? |
23:40.50 | terry_ | there is a command that when you compile something it knows what you need. Anyone know what that program is called?? |
23:41.01 | peterS | terry_: 'apt-get build-dep' |
23:41.03 | FieldySnuts | wha? |
23:41.08 | tazle | dli: which part of the configuration are you referring to? |
23:41.08 | mousex | terry_ make? |
23:41.15 | dli | looksaus, I thought people won't ask why when using sid |
23:41.17 | Flimzy | terry_: echo "Food" |
23:41.25 | Slant | dondelelcaro: This solution won't play well with /etc/network/interfaces, will it? |
23:41.32 | dli | tazle: nfsroot from a freebsd |
23:41.34 | terry_ | no no no, its a shell wrapper, I think it was written in perl |
23:41.41 | dondelelcaro | Slant: yes, it will. |
23:41.47 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: port |
23:41.52 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: ? |
23:42.04 | looksaus | dli: I do, afain even... You sound as if you have useful information to share. |
23:42.18 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: you want a definition of port? |
23:42.24 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: no, why would I |
23:42.25 | tazle | dli: because I have FreeBSD with lots of disk space, because I can, because I don't have spare hard disks and because I don't really have the money to buy any sensible hard disk setup right now |
23:42.26 | nostromo^ | im trying to make php work under apache-ssl, and it wouldn't... i keep getting to "save as application/x-httpd-php" in firefox when connecting with https, but with http works fine.. (yes, i've enabled the LoadModule line for php4 in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf) |
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23:42.46 | paulswm | FieldySnuts: becuase you said "port?'. I was puzzled. |
23:42.58 | dli | looksaus, not really, I'm running gnome 2.8.1 on gentoo |
23:43.00 | FieldySnuts | *click* |
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23:43.57 | dli | tazle: nfsroot rw? |
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23:44.03 | tazle | yes |
23:44.42 | FieldySnuts | <offtopic> hehe the posting "Why does windows still suck?" on slashdumb got over 1000 comments, what trolls </offtopic> |
23:45.03 | dli | tazle: never tried, but does rw still work if I have more than one client? |
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23:45.19 | toresbe | paulswm: me here |
23:45.29 | tazle | dli: no idea, I guess locking might be a problem |
23:45.30 | paulswm | Why does anybody even bother responding to questions like that |
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23:45.43 | FieldySnuts | paulswm: heck if I know |
23:45.46 | tazle | I wouldn't do it |
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23:46.00 | dondelelcaro | paulswm: it's people reading /. Go figure. |
23:46.13 | toresbe | To motivate myself to use my laptop more, I should install FreeBSD on my server :P |
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23:46.36 | Thrawn | im new to ethereal, so excuse my ignorance... but how do I just capture packets at the console (NOT use the GUI)? |
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23:46.59 | FieldySnuts | ethereal is a gui, if you want to do that at the console, use tcpdump (seperate) |
23:47.00 | JohnGH | PerfDave: great :o) |
23:47.05 | vulture | what FieldySnuts said |
23:47.09 | toresbe | paulswm: whatisit? |
23:47.10 | DataHunter2009 | hey everyone |
23:47.19 | FieldySnuts | note: if you have tcpdump write a binary file, ethereal can read it. |
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23:47.39 | DataHunter2009 | i was wondering... if i install debian, how do i use Win98 later on? |
23:47.55 | Thrawn | I see, so i can write tcpdump as a binary file and use ethereal in windows? :/ (im familiar with tcpdump) |
23:48.03 | Thrawn | (theres no X on our servers) |
23:48.04 | DataHunter2009 | is there some OS switching program? |
23:48.07 | FieldySnuts | Thrawn: maybe, not sure about in windows |
23:48.11 | ugly | DataHunter2009: google for "dual booting" / "LILO" |
23:48.20 | FieldySnuts | Thrawn: you can view the data just fine in tcpdump, however, it's a lot easier to use ethereal after the fact. |
23:48.20 | DataHunter2009 | thx |
23:48.48 | paulswm | toresbe: I was woondering if you knew who weeble was in o-t |
23:48.57 | Thrawn | thanks a lot for the input, FieldySnuts :) |
23:49.09 | Glitters | ok i'm on my new environment... now how can i start x? |
23:49.16 | toresbe | paulswm: Well, duh, he's Bob's friend |
23:49.18 | FieldySnuts | sure |
23:49.24 | paulswm | Oh |
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23:49.32 | paulswm | toresbe: thanks |
23:49.45 | toresbe | paulswm: Heh, you haven't seen the Weebl and bob flash anims, have you? ;) |
23:49.53 | paulswm | toresbe: no |
23:50.01 | toresbe | paulswm: MM, pie |
23:50.05 | toresbe | paulswm: you should ;) |
23:50.21 | anti-windows | has anyone here gotten CUPS to work properly with any HP printer? I can't seem to get anything to print from my printer except for the cups test page...everything else prints out as garbled junk |
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23:50.46 | ugly | Glitters: what have you installed? KDE, GNOME, or some other window manager? |
23:50.54 | vulture | anti-windows: what "everything else" have you tried? |
23:51.00 | vulture | if you can get the test page you should be able to get other things |
23:51.09 | ugly | (yes I know kde and gnome aren't window managers) |
23:51.25 | anti-windows | vulture: ive tried from openoffice, firefox, and ive tried lpr -P <printer> <file> ... nothing |
23:51.35 | Thrawn | FieldySnuts: By "raw packets" in the documentation, they mean the binary? I dont see "binary" in the tcpdump manual? |
23:51.45 | vulture | anti-windows: what sort of files? |
23:51.46 | Glitters | ugly: i dont know, it didnt prompt me to choose any of them, it just installed the debian and some other stuff,,, but have'nt prompt me to the x windows... |
23:51.54 | anti-windows | vulture: plain .txt |
23:52.04 | vulture | anti-windows: tried postscript? |
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23:52.10 | DataHunter2009 | LILO seems confusing... i'm not much of a programmer. is there some program that swicthes kernels easily? |
23:52.17 | anti-windows | vulture: no |
23:52.20 | bahamat | DataHunter2009: grub |
23:52.22 | vulture | if firefox can't handle it I'm not sure what's going on to be honest, I can just suggest a few things to try |
23:52.43 | vulture | anti-windows: anything beyond that I'd start trying to look and see how cups prints its test page |
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23:52.51 | bahamat | anti-windows: can you print from other programs? |
23:53.04 | anti-windows | bahamat: nope. only test page prints properly |
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23:53.11 | bahamat | anti-windows: example, type `lp /etc/passwd` and see what you get |
23:53.13 | paulswm | DataHunter2009: the only was to switch kernels is to reboot, I'm afraid, so you have to use grub or lilo |
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23:53.42 | anti-windows | bahamat: will try in a sec. finishing re-downloading cups from apt . removed it and then reinstalling to see if I have any luck =/ |
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23:54.11 | DataHunter2009 | i can't find the GRUB documents... how would I use GRUB? |
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23:54.24 | anti-windows | DataHunter2009: man grub, man grub-install |
23:54.26 | bahamat | anti-windows: I don't know about anyone else's experience, but I've found that the xprt stuff has severely screwed printing for firefox and openoffice |
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23:54.42 | bahamat | anti-windows: when I got rid of xprt I suddenly had no problems printing |
23:54.44 | anti-windows | bahamat: xprt? |
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23:54.50 | anti-windows | is that a package ? |
23:55.01 | paulswm | DataHunter2009: also info grub |
23:55.02 | bahamat | anti-windows: that's part of a package name |
23:55.22 | anti-windows | bahamat: ah; well im willing to try to remove it...know what its full name is? or should I just apt-cache search it? |
23:55.27 | bahamat | anti-windows: dpkg -l | grep xprt |
23:55.28 | paulswm | DataHunter2009: info grub is better |
23:56.02 | willen_kaffe | whats the best site to get qmail for debian |
23:56.12 | DataHunter2009 | so i d/l grub... and go to the command prompt and type info grub? |
23:56.14 | DataHunter2009 | that's all? |
23:56.15 | bahamat | willen_kaffe: debian.org? |
23:56.18 | anti-windows | bahamat: okay, xprt has been removed. do I need to reload anything? |
23:56.50 | bahamat | anti-windows: it's probably a good idea to quit firefox, reload cups and set up your printers again |
23:56.58 | paulswm | DataHunter2009: apt-get install grub grub-doc |
23:57.08 | anti-windows | bahamat: okay, will do so now |
23:57.13 | DataHunter2009 | i do this in linux or windows? |
23:57.20 | paulswm | DataHunter2009: WAIT, don't install grub unless you decide to use it. |
23:57.34 | paulswm | DataHunter2009: apt-get install grub-doc and read |
23:57.34 | DataHunter2009 | ya. i know that |
23:57.41 | DataHunter2009 | i don't even have debain yet |
23:57.44 | DataHunter2009 | *debian |
23:57.54 | DataHunter2009 | i just needed to know what to use so when i do get it |
23:58.21 | Glitters | ok after i loged in to my new debian system, i need a GUI interface, what should i do now to get kde or gnome and install it? |
23:58.32 | paulswm | DataHunter2009: then google for grub, the docs are certainly online somewhere |
23:58.36 | vulture | Glitters: apt-get install kde |
23:58.36 | bahamat | Glitters: apt-get install gnome |
23:58.38 | vulture | (or gnome) |
23:58.39 | pingouin1 | anti-windows: maybe you've already give it, i've not really follow, but can you tell me which HP you have ? |
23:58.39 | orfeu | Glitters: apt-get install kde |
23:58.46 | vulture | seriously.. |
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