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00:01.09zethodo i have to recompile debian 2.4.27 kernel to use htb (tcng) ?
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00:01.28thegrahamI'm having some difficulty setting up multiple displays from my laptops dual headed graphics card. I have followed a the tutorial at http://www.linuxdig.com/howto/ldp/Xinerama-HOWTO.php, but I just have two identical desktops on both monitors. Also does anyone know when x.org will be introduced to debian?
00:01.43tuxitHi, I've been experiencing for a long time a problem with firefox, as well as thunderbird. Whenever I print or generate a PS file from these applications, the size if huge when printing the documents. I don't know which package I should send a bug request for.
00:02.01niclas5caphuso: neither -iocharset=UTF-8 nor -iocharset=iso8859-15 change anything. there are still question-marks where i expect german umlauts.
00:02.05tuxitif huge/is huge
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00:02.36zinxniclas5: you may have ls set to hide graphics characters..
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00:02.51Delphniclas5: or your font might not support the characters ?
00:02.55nvztuxit: well figure out what does it :)
00:03.17caphusoniclas5: then i'm out of ideas
00:03.18now3dHi, I have installed testing.  Could someone tell me how to get something other than "US English" in my languages choice please?
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00:03.36caphusonow3d: dpkg-reconfigure locales
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00:03.59nvztuxit: process of elimination. its either firefox/thunderbird, which I doubt. the PS tools, or the printer software you are using
00:04.01tuxitnvz: actually this is the problem :) There must be a buggy generation of the postscript, but I don't know which is the package/component responsible for this.
00:04.09nvztuxit: try using each of them outside the current context
00:04.37tuxitnvz: not the printer software : it works with any other application. I don't know which is the PS tool that firefox and thunderbird are both using
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00:04.52tuxitnvz: outside the current context ? what do you mean ?
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00:05.09nvztuxit: can you get firefox then to just save the printjob as a PS file and examine that file.
00:05.18niclas5Delph: when i open the directory with gxine i get error messages and the files are not shown in the gtk-window. it cannot be about the font. i will try to choose a different default-locale...
00:05.19tuxitnvz: sure
00:05.19nvztuxit: maybe try then printing that PS file from GV or something
00:05.25emiliosany help with nvidia driver ?
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00:05.45emiliosany problem with nvidia to share?
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00:05.55nvztuxit: just try narrow it down, then throw the bug out there.. heh
00:06.03emiliosrefuse to run with debian 2.6.6
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00:06.19tuxitnvz: I probably didn't express myself properly. When printing directly from firefox, or saving as a PS and printing with GV, the result is the same : too big. When printing with GV PS files made by other apps, no problem
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00:06.46scaporDoes someone here know if it's possible to copy a file further if you stopped it before ?
00:06.56Delphniclas5: gui applications; your own issues. what does the console say =:) Less stuff to go wrong.
00:07.02scaporI did a cp into a terminal but closed it before it was done :|
00:07.02Delphscapor: copy from what to what?
00:07.06infodroidscapor: unpause it
00:07.07niclas5gxine suggests that i set G_FILENAME_ENCODING. *scratchhead*
00:07.14zinxscapor: dd can do it :/
00:07.18scaporDelph: from one partition to another :|
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00:07.24scaporinfodroid:  ?
00:07.30niclas5Delph: setting different default-locales doesn't help. no umlauts, just "?"
00:07.50niclas5Delph: how do i know which font the console is using?
00:07.52nvztuxit: yeah well is the ps file look different in GV?
00:07.54scaporI really don't want to copy it all over again :| It's 7 gig that one file (DVD)
00:08.05Delphscapor: well work out where you stopped copying it
00:08.10Delphand copy the rest of it over.
00:08.12now3dcaphuso: Thanks.  I wonder what en.UTF-8 would default to? US English?
00:08.13infodroidscapor: yes dd is your friend
00:08.14nvztuxit: so far I see firefox depenting on libxpr6.. you look at what you do know and narrow it down
00:08.16nimbbhow can I indicate that my dvd-rw is not a read-only device (so I can write to it with dd)?
00:08.20scaporDelph: it's one file :|
00:08.23Delphniclas5: en_gb.UTF-8
00:08.28nvztuxit: see what print libs firefox and programs that work use and note differences
00:08.36infodroidnimbb: using udev yet?
00:08.39tuxitnvz: I see something interesting in the PS file : he X Print Server's PostScript DDX (xprint.mozdev.org, release 10000
00:08.41Delphuhhm, i meant now3d there.
00:08.50Delph(english ++)
00:08.54nimbbinfodroid: no, what is that?
00:08.56niclas5Delph: ?? i am using de_DE.UTF-8@euro
00:08.58scaporinfodroid: it just doesn't sound like something for a newbie like me :|
00:09.02thegrahamWill debian run on a mac?
00:09.09thegrahammini
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00:09.25caphusonow3d: is that a valid locale?
00:09.31nvztuxit: yep thats what libxp6 is ;) and you got a url for it on mozdev
00:09.42now3dcaphuso: i see some software checking for it
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00:09.59nichosis there anyway to tell, other than .bash_history, if someone did an ls on my dir?
00:09.59nvztuxit: look for differences in the way firefox prints and the apps that work fine print
00:10.05caphusonow3d: normally they look like xx_XX.UTF-8, and US english is en_US.UTF-8
00:10.07nvztuxit: note their dependency differences
00:10.18nvztuxit: you will eventually narrow it down
00:10.20tuxitnvz: how come that apt doesn't list libxpr6 in the dependencies of the package mozilla-firefox ?
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00:10.34nvztuxit: libxp6
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00:11.10nvzdamn I forgot what I was going to say
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00:11.14nvzpeople are yelling at me here
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00:11.32now3dcaphuso: ok, should be ok then.  Do you know if I will need to install some KDE packages to get my en_GB.UTF-8 locale please?
00:11.41caphusonow3d: no idea
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00:11.57tuxitnvz: cheers, I will go that way. Thanks a lot, bye
00:12.21caphusonow3d: there's a kde-i18n-engb package
00:12.26now3dcaphuso: is there an easy way to uninstall a deb package or find what is available to install?
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00:13.03caphusonow3d: dselect, aptitude, apt-get, apt-cache. read the man pages of those commands
00:13.37caphusothere are a few more frontends like synaptic or kpackage
00:13.42nvztuxit: what I was also thinking about is once you think you got a package narrowed down, you can even try fetch an old one form snapshot.debain.net and see if the bugs goes away
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00:14.49niclas5*donk* it works in kde. no idea why. ha... nevermind. thank you anyway.
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00:15.32caphusodamn, i just thought of a possible solution to tuxit's problem
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00:16.08dondelelcarofrom a brief look at scrollback, it smells like xprint
00:16.18nvzyep
00:16.21budi_if i have something.deb how to install that?
00:16.26dondelelcarobudi_: dpkg -i it
00:16.41dondelelcarobudi_: although, installing random .debs is generally not a good idea.
00:16.45caphusodondelelcaro: yeah
00:16.49Kerrsidenet still refuses to work, and under default wine, ares lite won't connect ~.~
00:16.54budi_so i do: dpkg -i something.deb ?
00:16.59now3dcaphuso: Thanks
00:17.00dondelelcarobudi_: yes. man dpkg;
00:17.33budi_thanks
00:17.35now3dI notice the KDE theme seems to have very large buttons compared to normal, does anyone know how I can tweek it to make them a little smaller please?
00:17.57infodroidnow3d: what kde buttons?
00:18.16budi_one more thing how to download from repository for example ftp.au.debian.org and libxml2 package? but i don't to install it, i want to get libxml2.deb
00:18.40nvznow3d: just the icons on the panel or what?
00:18.44now3dinfodroid: like the shell tab buttons on Konsole..
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00:18.59nvznow3d: have you looked in kcontrol?
00:19.06now3dnvz: hmm, yeah the bar at the bottom of the screen has big buttons
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00:19.36docgnomedoes wvdial only detect external modems?
00:19.45nvznow3d: is it just your resolution is low and everything is big :)  you said a mintue ago your tabs and such are big too
00:19.55budi_docgnome: yes
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00:20.22now3dnvz: hmm, mozilla is ok.  i am in the same resolution as with my mandrake KDE (1280x1024)
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00:20.42girtdocgnome, internal modems are another story i think
00:20.54now3dnvz: i changed the icon size to 16px from 32 in KControl->Appearance->Icons.. did not change antying tho it seems..
00:21.07infodroidnow3d: change your font size in kcontrol
00:21.08now3dam I looking in the wrong place?
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00:21.11docgnomeI don't suppose there is something simmilar i can use for internal modems
00:21.20nvznow3d: if you have mdk with kde you can most likely cp your ~/.kde* stuff right over and use the same configuration if you really wanted
00:21.40now3dnvz: hmm, i kindof wanted to dump that profile if i could..
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00:21.59nvznow3d: also there is #debian-kde, and #kde where you may get more help with kde specific issues. I am not really a kde user and won't be of much help :P
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00:22.25infodroidkvz: a kde abuser then?
00:22.33now3dnvz: ok, thanks for your help so far :)
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00:23.31now3dciao
00:23.35docgnomeCan someone point me to a tutorial for setting up an internal modem in debian, I've searched around on google, and havn't found anything i truely grok...
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00:24.00budi_one more thing how to download from repository for example ftp.au.debian.org and libxml2 package? but i don't to install it, i want to get libxml2.deb
00:24.20Tall-guyNewbie kinda question: I swapped out my video card (ati9000) and put a Geforce2 card in....what is the "right" way to tell Debian I've done this  (not using X at all)
00:24.28infodroidbudi: try the APT manual
00:24.33nvzbudi_: if you just want the package, then wget it
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00:24.57nvzbudi_: is it already in your sources list?
00:25.20nvzbudi_: I was thinking from the sound of the question it was not your regular download mirror
00:26.11nvzthere is -d, --download-only, option if its already in your cache
00:26.15nvzotherwise I'd use wget
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00:28.01docgnome_*mutters rude things about his isp*
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00:29.43chealerwould somebody say that swf-player works correctly in most situations/animations?
00:30.14zinxi would say that even macromedia's player doesn't work correctly in a lot of situations :P
00:30.41docgnome_Is there a fairly straight forward tutorial someone has about getting an internal modem working in debian? I'm not sure what kind of modem it is, so i might be screwed anyway -_-
00:30.53chealeroh yeah? well does swf-player work nearly as much as macromedia's in most animations?
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00:32.03chealer!modem
00:32.03dpkgmethinks modem is (Modulator/Demodulator) A device to turn digital signals to analog ones and back again, so they can be transmitted and translated back to digital at another modem without loss. Used for communication through means of audio, telephone, CB, etc. <REPLY> suck
00:32.10chealer^haha
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00:33.37Jennwong!tell me about mysql
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00:33.48chealerJennwong: just use /msg dpkg mysql
00:33.59Jennwongthanks
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00:34.22kh4nhhey guys, my screen is off-center a little, do you guys know how to adjust it
00:34.35timokh4nh, xvidtune
00:34.36Subwirei just installed debian sarge, and when i boot up, the nv_sata modules goes nuts, adding a primary device, removing a primary device, adding a secondary device, removing a secondary revice...
00:34.39Subwireover and over
00:34.42Subwire:/
00:34.44Subwireany help?
00:34.45Jennwongchealer , it doesnt tell me what i want to know
00:34.54kh4nhi xvidtune already, but with success
00:34.57chealerJennwong: so what do you want to know...
00:34.59Jennwonghow can i create new user ?
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00:35.13kh4nhi tried xvidtune already, but without success
00:35.18Jennwongi want to create new user in mysql on debian
00:35.22timokh4nh, use your monitor's controls then
00:35.28chealerJennwong: try mysql <TAB> at console...
00:35.38Jennwongand disable ssh log in as root
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00:36.32chealerdpkg is in no mean mysql doc. #mysql, or /usr/share/doc/mysql-client/
00:36.32dpkgchealer: I don't know, could you explain it?
00:37.05kh4nhtimo, those are the only 2 ways?
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00:39.29jellyhdI want to install apache 1.3 on debian. If I use apt-get install apache, how do I verify that I get version 1.3?
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00:39.55nvzjellyhd: what branch of debian are you using?
00:40.06kh4nhubuntu
00:40.14jellyhdnvz: woody
00:40.28nvz!info apache woody
00:40.39dpkgapache: (Versatile, high-performance HTTP server), section web, is optional. Version: 1.3.26-0woody6 (woody), Packaged size: 344 kB, Installed size: 752 kB
00:40.55kh4nhfastest install process i ever experenced
00:41.02nvzjellyhd: apache in woody is 1.3.26-0woody6
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00:41.18nvzkh4nh: umm, go talk about it in #ubuntu
00:41.56Subwire!info nv_sata
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00:42.06Subwirehmm
00:42.18Subwireis there a list of chanel commands in the FAQ?
00:42.31tarzeauit's not an irc faq
00:42.33jellyhdthanks
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00:42.33nvzSubwire: thats a blootbot
00:42.34chealerSubwire: it's not channel commands, it's dpkg (the bot) commands
00:42.41chealer!dpkg
00:42.41dpkgdpkg is probably the debian package manager, sort of like the debian equivalent to rpm. a blootbot on #debian, or a bloodbot on #crack
00:43.05chealerjellyhd: apt-get -s install apache
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00:43.36Subwirehmm
00:43.41Subwire!dpkg help
00:43.48Subwire...? ok maybe not..
00:43.53chealerSubwire: /msg dpkg help
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00:44.03Subwirethanks
00:44.10FredoHello every one
00:44.15Fredoany one wanna chat
00:44.22Fredoin English
00:44.31brynjarhI thought you meant Icelandic
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00:44.49brynjarh:)
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00:45.13cafuegoWaarom? iedereen spreekt toch nederlands?
00:45.16harryvvexpansion slots clounted from bottom to top? Im getting random irq conflics and want to set it right in bios.
00:45.29sussudiolobezno: no
00:45.35nevynharryvv: usually labeled in the manual or on the overlay
00:45.36lobeznosussudio, yes
00:45.38cafuegolewinsky: We don't care what you're listening to. Switch off that spam script.
00:45.48cafuegos/lewinsky/lobezno
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00:45.59Subwirehmm that didn't help, maybe i'll just ask my question again...
00:46.10Subwirei just installed debian sarge, and when i boot up, the nv_sata modules goes nuts, adding a primary device, removing a primary device, adding a secondary device, removing a secondary revice...
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00:46.16Subwireover and over
00:46.18Subwireand ideas?
00:46.23cafuegoSubwire: Which kernel?
00:46.23Subwire*any
00:46.27Subwire2.6
00:46.33sussudio!any ideas
00:46.34dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a bag of string, a little WD-40, and a dozen rabid platypuses.  And keep the NSA off my back for the next few minutes!
00:46.34directhexSubwire, try #debian-boot
00:46.35cafuegoOdd, worked fine here.
00:46.36harryvvnev okay this is a reallly old motherboard so will have to locate it.
00:46.37anti-windowsAny way to get liblame?  I hear its not included in debian due to some patent issues or something...and can't apt-get it
00:46.47jordo23Does debian come packaged with a DNS server?
00:46.49directhex!tell anti-windows about marillat
00:46.52OverandWhat's the usual device name for a USB storage device?
00:46.55cafuegojordo23: Several, yes.
00:47.01directhexOverand, /dev/sd*
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00:47.04cafuegoOverand: /dev/sdX
00:47.06Overanddirecthex: thanks
00:47.09Overandand cafuego
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00:47.12Subwirewell, whats odd is, the sata works, but those messages get in my way
00:47.16Subwirei just wanna shut them up
00:47.16cafuego!directxsmite directhex
00:47.19anti-windowsdirecthex: thanks!
00:47.20jordo23cafuego: Which one is the most popular?
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00:47.27directhex!directhexsmite cafuego
00:47.31cafuegojordo23: bind9
00:47.32brynjarhanti-windows: do you really want it if it's not acceptable to be apart of Debian?
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00:47.38cafuegodirecthex: bah
00:47.39robnanyone
00:47.51jordo23cafuego: what's the second most popular packaged?
00:47.57cafuego!anyone
00:47.57dpkg***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do.
00:48.00anti-windowsbrynjarh: hmm...good question. i dunno, what difference does it make, exactly?
00:48.07cafuegojordo23: No idea. bind9 is the best though.
00:48.14jordo23cafuego: thanks.
00:48.57chealerdpkg should really respond to anyone without the need for "!"
00:48.58dpkgparse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, chealer
00:49.04cafuegoGoogle: Results 1 - 10 of about 296,000 for bind9. (0.23 seconds)  [it has the best support, too ;-)]
00:49.06robnAnyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro?
00:49.21brynjarhanti-windows: It wont make any difference if you only believe in convenience and don't value freedom, but it makes allot of difference if you value freedom, ever thought about what "free" in free software stands for?
00:49.32cafuegochealer: Yes, we REALLY need the bot to start spamming whenever possible.
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00:50.21robnAnyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro? I have already googled.groups and no luck. The problems is: connection refused.
00:51.00infodroidrobn: did you check the conf file?
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00:51.09spiekeyhello!
00:51.26robnyes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running.
00:51.28spiekeyi need some tip regarding the /etc/ppp/options file...
00:51.54spiekeyi have DSL and if i plug out my cable, and plug it back in after 1h or so, debian wont connect automatically anymore.
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00:52.04robni am trying to diagnoze the problem.
00:52.16spiekeywhich option do i need to change, or look for in /etc/ppp/options?!
00:52.19robni cant ftp to myself even as root
00:52.33infodroidrobn: double-check conf file, also you might need to tweak hosts.allow and friends
00:52.35[Granger]man vsftpd.conf
00:52.38jordo23cafuego: Is there a HOWTO about bind 9?
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00:52.47infodroidrobn: yes, the man page
00:52.56cafuegojordo23: heaps, yes. And docs in the bind9-doc apckage, probably.
00:53.00cafuego!info bind9-doc
00:53.01dpkgbind9-doc: (Documentation for BIND), section doc, is optional. Version: 1:9.2.4-1 (sid), Packaged size: 152 kB, Installed size: 484 kB
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00:54.16dukeim very confused, is google broken?
00:54.37sussudioduke: you broke it, you bastard
00:54.43robnyes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running. i am trying to diagnoze the problem. i cant ftp to myself even as root. I have made my conf file like fedora. I have also looked at man pages. I dont have friends file in etc. but i have made my hosts.allow like fedora. is there a diagnostic utility?
00:54.57dukehttp://www.google.com/search?q=barber
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00:55.22dukehttp://www.google.com/search?q=chicken
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00:55.33chealerduke: please. google isn't broken
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00:56.01dukewhy wont those work then?
00:56.08infodroidrobn: you don't have a friends file?
00:56.11caphusoduke: ask google
00:56.15CisyoucCan anyone help me? I'm trying to use my wireless card (US Robotics 22Mbps PCMCIA, uses acx100 driver) but for some reason it starts up fine but it wont connect/find the network
00:56.19keenanOK I read this cool howto on apt-build
00:56.32keenanbut apt-build seems to be ignoring my /etc/apt/preferences
00:56.42robnno i dont have friend file in etc
00:56.50caphusoResults 1 - 30 of about 7,510,000 for barber  and  Results 1 - 30 of about 27,200,000 for chicken
00:57.02dukeYour search - chicken - did not match any documents.
00:57.02keenanit tries to get and build the source for the version in unstable, even though /etc/apt/preferences says to prefer testing
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00:57.26robnno i dont have friend file in etc. man page does not mention it.
00:57.31dukemabye its just me
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00:57.42robninfodroid: no i dont have friend file in etc. man page does not mention it.
00:57.44keenanis there some separate preferences file for apt-build or something?
00:58.54infodroidrobn: i meant hosts.allow and hosts.deny and hosts (ie. hosts and friends) - some ftp programs use this stuff
00:59.30GilCisyouc: does iwlist <interface> scan give anything?
01:00.08robnAnyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro? I have already googled.groups and no luck. The problems is: connection refused. yes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running. i am trying to diagnoze the problem. i cant ftp to myself even as root. I have made my conf file like fedora. I have also looked at man pages. I dont have friends file in etc. but i hav
01:00.08robne made my hosts.allow like fedora. is there a diagnostic utility?
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01:00.52robninfodroid: i said many times i have hosts.allow. read my cumulative description.
01:00.58mithrowhats the best way to setup two dual head with two X servers under debian?
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01:01.51dukeholy crap, my pagerank is 8
01:02.05dukelike 2 people a day visit my site too
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01:05.13aoielakdnneoldhey there
01:05.30keenandoes anyone here know about apt-build?
01:05.34aoielakdnneoldcould someone please help me out?
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01:06.13aoielakdnneoldive just installed debian 3.0 unstable and now i am no longer able to mount my cdrom
01:06.30aoielakdnneoldsays that special device /dev/cdrom does not exist
01:06.51chealeraoielakdnneold: debian 3.0 is stable
01:06.53cafuegoaoielakdnneold: /dev/crom is a symlink to your REAL cd device.
01:07.08aoielakdnneoldyea
01:07.30aoielakdnneoldi then executed MAKEDEV cdrom and it made up a link on /
01:07.31robn<PROTECTED>
01:07.43cafuegoaoielakdnneold: What was that supposed to do?
01:07.44aoielakdnneoldthen it worked
01:07.54jharrisonive got to watch tv
01:08.06aoielakdnneoldwell, i assume that would make a link to the device
01:08.21cafuegoaoielakdnneold: No, it won't. You need to do that by hand.
01:08.23aoielakdnneoldthen i mounted this link, and everything went plain ok
01:08.45aoielakdnneoldhowever, i would like that to be done on bootup
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01:08.49aoielakdnneoldif possible
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01:09.04cafuegoDo you use udev or devfs?
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01:09.06aoielakdnneoldlike it does on kernel 2.4.18
01:09.12aoielakdnneoldi suppose udev
01:09.16Azarso cafuego I would like to know how to explain my friend who wants to try Debian (first time linux for him) why the "unstable" never brokes?
01:09.33nevynunstable does so break.
01:09.41nevynbut for desktop use it doesn't matter mostly
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01:09.53aoielakdnneoldive just installed kernel 2.6.10 and its /dev is completely different
01:09.54cafuegoAzar: What?
01:09.57Azarit breaks?
01:10.04aoielakdnneoldno way
01:10.05nevynAzar: sure.
01:10.08cafuegoAzar: make him download Ubuntu.
01:10.09aoielakdnneoldunstable rocks as well
01:10.10robn<PROTECTED>
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01:10.38nevynAzar: the thing is unstable refers to the packaging of the software not the actual software being unstable.
01:10.38Azarok Cafuego I will tell him that
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01:10.52cafuegonevyn: ... though that happens as well.
01:10.53aoielakdnneoldhowever, for a first time "linuxer" i'd say debian is far too difficult
01:11.01nevyncafuego: it does. but less.
01:11.10cafuegoAzar: For a fist-time user's desktop system, it will be easy, quick and pretty.
01:11.30Azaraoielakdnneold, the way I read some documentation it is said that files and directories are changed when getting a higher linux kernel, but I really do not know why..
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01:11.50astronutanyone have any experience with encrypted filesystems?
01:11.55aoielakdnneoldthat indeed happens
01:12.03aoielakdnneoldthis new kernel is kinda strange
01:12.05Azarnevyn so it means that certain applications will not perform rock solid on unstable?
01:12.33caphusoAzar: it means that after an upgrade you suddenly might not be able to log in anymore
01:12.35nevynAzar: no. it means you may not be able to install mozilla one week
01:12.41nevyncaphuso: that too.
01:12.43aoielakdnneoldanyone knows how to automount cdroms on new kernel, say 2.6.x?
01:12.51caphusoAzar: it also means that a broken package might run "rm -rf /"
01:12.51cafuegoaoielakdnneold: Well, that's all relative. Back in '93 I started with Slackware. Back then, we used to be able to READ and UNDERASTAND documentation. The current generation seems to not have that skill (at all).
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01:13.11Azaroh my!
01:13.12astronutanyone have any experience with encrypted filesystems?
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01:13.19aoielakdnneoldyea, i started up on redhat 9
01:13.21caphusoAzar: it means that the application you desperately need now won't be installable until next week
01:13.27aoielakdnneoldthings used to be easier
01:13.56Azarmy got and I just downloaded firefox
01:13.59caphusoAzar: it means that suddenly a new major version of something gets installed that isn't backward compatible to the version you have now, forcing you to reconfigure lots of possible things
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01:14.10cafuegoaoielakdnneold: You think? I used to have to fetch tarballs and install hand-compiled updates. Dependencies were resolved by reading README or INSTALL
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01:14.19smacnayAnyone had issues with Firefox slowing right down on a page load?  My mouse gets really spotty and Firefox stops responding.  Debian "testing" - kernel 2.6.8.1 vanilla - Mozilla version 1.
01:14.39aoielakdnneoldoh well
01:14.48astronutsmacnay: nope
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01:14.55aoielakdnneoldthis cdrom stuff is trying to get real difficult
01:15.03aoielakdnneoldno, starting
01:15.20jan_Hi, i have libcgi-session-perl installed, but /usr/share/perl5/auto/CGI/Session/File is missing ?? :( , so i cant use CGI::Session::File::Cookie
01:15.42Azarlast week I had issues with XWindows I was having several applications open and suddenly they started misteriously closing down and not responding to re-open, the ext3 became read-only, but that was the only bug I had
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01:16.23aoielakdnneoldyea, guess im gonna have to do things by hand anyway
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01:16.37jordo23Does anyone know the command to stop and restart the samba server with Debian?
01:16.46caphusojordo23: /etc/init.d/samba help
01:17.16shalehis there a way to modify ssh's password prompt? When I log into the RH machines at work I get "user@host's password:" but with Debian's ssh I just get "Password:"
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01:17.44chitiriwhat does the 'udeb' found in some package names means ?
01:17.52shalehchitiri: micro
01:18.01shalehchitiri: they are for the debian installer
01:18.18shalehchitiri: the u in udeb is supposed to be the greek u
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01:18.40astronutanyone have any experience with encrypted filesystems (maybe loopback)?
01:19.01shalehastronut: great articale in a recent Linux Magazine
01:19.09shalehdamn that was a horrible spelling
01:19.13astronutshaleh: can you link?
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01:19.43bhearsumanyone here use sdvdbackup? i'm having trouble getting scattering to turn off
01:19.58shalehastronut: try this: http://linuxgazette.net/109/chirico.html
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01:20.27shalehastronut: something I have thought about but not done, so I recall references to it
01:21.08robn<PROTECTED>
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01:21.28astronutkk
01:21.30astronutthanks shaleh
01:22.13robnWill some kind soul help me out ???? !!!!!!
01:22.21jharrisonrobn: you ftp as root?
01:22.48robnjharrison: for testing, I am trying the most permissive testing
01:23.08jharrisonrobn: do you know anything about the ftp protocol?
01:23.09robnI ftp as root in the sampe computer
01:23.22robnI also ftp myself as other user
01:23.25astronutrobn: what was your problem?
01:23.30astronutah, nm
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01:23.38astronuti've uses vsftpd on sarge
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01:23.49robnHere is the problem in detail
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01:23.51astronuti use*
01:23.53robnAnyone with experience in installing and running vsftpd on sarge kernel2.2.27 intesting distro? I have already googled.groups and no luck. The problems is: connection refused. yes i tried to make the conf file like on fedora where vsftpd is running. i am trying to diagnoze the problem. i cant ftp to myself even as root. I have made my conf file like fedora. I have also looked at man pages. I dont have friends file in etc. but i hav
01:23.53robne made my hosts.allow like fedora. is there a diagnostic utility?
01:23.59jsnIs there an abiword channel?
01:24.01astronutya, i saw it, scroleld up
01:24.04keenanwhy doesn't /etc/apt/preferences affect "apt-get source"??
01:24.15jharrisonI dont know ftp
01:24.24jharrison!repeat
01:24.24robnconnection refused is the problem
01:24.24dpkghmm... repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get  a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions"
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01:25.01jharrisonI dont use ftp
01:25.04astronutrobn: sounds like it isn't running
01:25.08jharrisons/know/use
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01:25.20jharrisonand when I did use it I used proftpd
01:25.25robnjharrison: tell me how to diagnose
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01:25.32jharrisonrobn: I dont suppose you looked at your logs?
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01:25.42robni looked at logs
01:25.53jharrisonrobn: is the ftp machine firewalled?
01:26.02robn/var/vsftpd
01:26.06jharrisonrobn: is it running passive mode or active mode?
01:26.10robnno i dont think any firewall
01:26.16jharrisonrobn: are root logins allowed?
01:26.25robni tried other users
01:26.26jharrisonrobn: port scan the box and see if ftp is open
01:26.40jharrisonrobn: use netstat -lnp to see if anything is listening on ftp ports
01:26.45jharrisonrobn: etc...
01:26.49robnok
01:27.07jharrisonrobn: and dont repeat your problem over and over or someone will kick you
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01:27.45jsnI can't seem to find any sources online for using command line abiword.  Anyone able to provide help?
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01:28.51cafuegorobn: connection refused means 1) the server isn't running  or 2) the machine is disallowing connections. Check both.
01:29.05mostyjsn, there's a command line abiword?
01:29.17jsnmosty: The "Tour" says there is, in the mail merge section.
01:29.38jsnhttp://www.abiword.org/tour/
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01:30.27mostyjsn, tried abiword -help ?
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01:31.41chitirido exist a command line interface to query the archive ? i mean, something to ask what version is in unstable or testing ?
01:31.51oR|hilikusWhen i try to install the rt18139 module for my netgear fa312 it says that the init_module: device or resource busy. do i need to enter any module parameters when i try to install it?
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01:32.46robnjharrison: i have some good news
01:32.55robnare you there?
01:33.06jsnmosty: Thanks. FYI, it's --help
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01:33.21robnjharrison: cafuego: i have some good news
01:33.29robnare you there?
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01:34.14robnwhen I put the original vsftpd.conf file, I can login anonymous.
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01:34.24cireis there a possibility to chroot a user?
01:34.25lobomufashiya
01:34.27cg0defcan someone help me with a gnome/gtk+ compilation problem
01:34.29robnjharrison: cafuego: when I put the original vsftpd.conf file, I can login anonymous.
01:34.45robnbut the only changes i have made are trivial
01:34.58cafuegorobn: So you have an error in the cfg file somewhere, which causes it to either not start or not listen on port 21.
01:34.59robncomment out anonymous=yes
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01:35.25robnwell the changes i made are the same as in my fedora install
01:35.32distemprIs there a way to "monitor" what's being written to my disk?  lsof is fine, but doesn't show "which" is currently active.  Or is there any way I can "look" into the ext3 structure?
01:35.51directhexdistempr, try Dtrace in solaris 10
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01:36.18robncafuego, can i private message you?
01:37.04cireis it possible, to chroot a whole user? So that, when he logs in, he only can access the chrooted area?
01:37.13jsncire: yes :)
01:37.15mrwillcire: yes, I believe so.
01:37.33cireI'll be more precise now. How is this possible? ;)
01:37.44mrwillcire: just put home directory and requisite shell, other apps, inside chroot.
01:38.00jsncire: I'm not entirely sure, but I bet it involves changing their login shell in /etc/passwd, plus what mrwill says
01:38.01dondelelcarocire: you're most likely looking for something like chsh though, not a chroot.
01:38.18distemprdirecthex: heh :( Debian linuchs?
01:38.31mrwillcire: have to do a chroot call on their login, too, I think.
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01:38.47fbs_hey there once again
01:38.51dondelelcarorrr... s/chsh/rssh/
01:39.09fbs_anyone knows how to install alsa on 2.6.x kernels?
01:39.14mrwilldondelelcaro: those restricted shells aren't usually very useful, but I've never used rssh.
01:39.25mrwillfbs_: modules are already installed, you just have to configure them.
01:39.26dondelelcaromrwill: well, chrooting the user isn't terribly usefull eitehr
01:39.29fbs_when i type alsaconf it says "no soundcards found"
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01:39.48mrwilldondelelcaro: it is if you are insane about security, I guess.
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01:39.56dondelelcaromrwill: if it becomes useful, it means that you don't have your machine set up sanely.
01:40.04jsn:)
01:40.08mrwilldondelelcaro: I'd spend my system resources on other measures, probably.
01:40.08fbs_but the modules are loaded, and alsaconf even finds the soundcard
01:40.19mrwillfbs_: tried unmuting the mixer?
01:40.27fbs_but when i try alsamixer, it returns an error code
01:40.44fbs_hang on, let me type the output of alsaconf
01:40.54mrwillfds_: not too many lines too fast, now.
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01:41.28jsnfbs_: Perhaps I was mistaken, but I built and compiled alsa-utils on the side.  Do you have that?
01:41.35fbs_running update modules... loading driver... setting default volumes...
01:41.49mrwilljsn: no, they are just packaged with debian.
01:42.03mrwillfbs_: no errors doing all that, huh?
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01:42.34per02is there a way to remove the "Debian Menu" from the applications menu in gnome?
01:42.34mrwillfbs_: sounds like you are close to finished.
01:42.39fbs_saving the mixer setup used for this in /var/lib/alsa/asound.state... /usr/sbin/alsactl: save_state:1194: no soundcards found...
01:42.45mrwillper02: sure, there is a config file you edit.
01:42.53fbs_the error is that one
01:43.01mrwillper02: think it is in a directory that begins with . in your home directory.
01:43.25fbs_mrwill: i divided the output in 2 messages, hehe
01:43.49mrwillfbs_: hmmm.  looks like it isn't writing the config file for your soundcard.  I'm not sure what to do about this.
01:44.00michaelis54Ever since trying "testing" ls -la gives me OVERSCORED directory listiings in bash and emacs.  Any suggestions for config.  Bash problem? Terminal font problem? or someting I'm missing entirely?
01:44.03per02mrwill, i've looked in .nautilus, .gnome, .gnome2, .gnome2_private and .gconf without much luck
01:44.16fbs_mrwill: ill try up google then
01:44.32per02mrwill, i also tried to access it through applications:/// on nautilus but it's not there
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01:45.20mrwillper02: I know it is a flat file somewhere, maybe it isn't in your home dir.  I don't really remember.
01:45.40per02mrwill, alright... i'll keep looking, thx
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01:46.00michaelis54Ever since trying "testing" ls -la gives me OVERSCORED directory listiings in bash and emacs.  Any suggestions for config.  Bash problem? Terminal font problem? or someting I'm missing entirely?
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01:46.27mrwill!repeat
01:46.27dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, repeat is if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get  a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions"
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01:46.29dondelelcaromichaelis54: you've probably got LSCOLORS set weirdly
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01:46.48dondelelcaromichaelis54: alternatively, your TERM (and or your 'term) are not set compatibly.
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01:47.25jordo23Does anyone know why if I have my Samba server set to share; why I cannot write to the server but can read from it?
01:47.38RoadrunneHi @ll, where can I get some docs about mirroring a debian server?
01:47.46dondelelcarojordo23: because you don't have it set to write in your smb.conf
01:47.48cirehow can I tell cplay which of my two devices it should use?
01:48.26jordo23dondelelcaro: Where in the conf do I set it to write?
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01:49.21dondelelcarojordo23: FE, where it says writable = no
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01:49.59robnall i have done is to change anonymous_enable=NO
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01:50.08ciremay I tell cplay which device to use?
01:50.16misfitx7what does itmean when depmod has unresolved symbols?
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01:50.47mrwillsecher: geez, is there that much bandwidth over bluetooth?
01:50.52dondelelcarosecher: that's some pretty high bandwidth to be shoving through wireless
01:51.01secherOr have a suggestion as to where to look?  For low bandwidth.. say text only..
01:51.15dondelelcarosecher: uh... that's still not low bandwidth
01:51.20mrwillsecher: I don't think what you were displaying would matter in that case.
01:51.27jordo23dondelelcaro: It doesn't have that line in the whole file. Do you know which section it should go in?
01:51.30dondelelcarosecher: about the closest thing you're going to find is probably a thin client
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01:51.42dondelelcarojordo23: man smb.conf; and read a bit.
01:52.08secherdondelelcaro: Good idea..  thin client connected via bluetooth.  good starting point.  Thnaks.
01:52.08dondelelcarojordo23: the answer is that it goes in the appropriate section for whatever device you want to be writable.
01:52.40dondelelcarosecher: at that point, you're probably looking at something like a laptop anyway... which begins to defeat the purpose
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01:53.27directhexgo go gadget dondelelcaro
01:53.33michaelis54dondelelcar: thanks, that gives me some places to look.  Weird that I didn't change any of these settings from stock Debian testing.  Hmmm...
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01:54.25misfitx7what does itmean when depmod has unresolved symbols?
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01:54.31dondelelcaromichaelis54: which terminal are you using?
01:54.52dondelelcaromisfitx7: it means that you have unresolved symbols in the module(s) that you're running depmod over... eg, that they aren't the right modules for the kernel that you're running depmod against.
01:54.52misfitx7what does itmean when depmod has unresolved symbols?
01:54.58dondelelcaromisfitx7: stop repeating.
01:55.00mrwill!repeat
01:55.01dpkgrepeat is, like, if nobody answers your question, don't just repeat it. Spamming the channel and getting ignored/banned/silenced isn't going to get  a faster answer; spamming is a function of time. More likely, nobody knows the answer (/msg dpkg ask), or you need to provide more information (/msg apt sicco)), or ask about "smart questions"
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01:55.28mrwillmisfitx7: we heard you the first time, but nobody knows the answer right now.
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01:55.44misfitx7ok, sorry, meant that for another channel
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02:00.02Roldyxi need ripper video, somebody know some aplication ?
02:00.14SmurgHow do I install files from .tar.gz?
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02:01.20felipe_hi there
02:01.26dondelelcarogreat, the ever famous ask a question, and /part
02:01.27dukehow would i make wget simply hit an entire website recursivly but not save the files, or delete them afterwards?
02:01.27felipe_how to solve this problem:
02:01.27doublehpnon Debian question: any one could remind me what the "Bureau 103" is ? isnt it a famous case in USA ? in the film JFK ? Wanergate case ? plz, refresh my mind ...
02:01.30felipe_Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
02:01.54doublehp"Watergate"
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02:02.32dondelelcaroduke: just have wget hit the website, then delete the files.
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02:03.02dukedondelelcaro, i don't know how to do that though
02:03.03michaelis54Smurg: create an new directory, put the tar.gz file there then run tar (you've read "man tar", right?). That uncompresses the file. Installation after that depends on what you downloaded.
02:03.29dukei've read man but still dont understand
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02:03.52dondelelcaroduke: wget -r -l 0 -nd --delete-after foobarbaz;
02:03.59dondelelcaroduke: FE
02:04.00michaelis54dondelelcaro: I'm still here with my silly overscore question.
02:04.19dondelelcaromichaelis54: yeah, it's most likely TERM, TERMCAP, or LSCOLORS related...
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02:04.37dondelelcaromichaelis54: run env, and use paster to paste the output
02:04.38dondelelcaro!paster
02:04.38dpkgInstead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away.
02:04.49dukedondelelcaro: awsome, thanks
02:04.53felipe_I have load "dri" in the XFree but have this error: Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
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02:05.02felipe_any idea?
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02:05.27directhexfelipe_, read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log
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02:05.33michaelis54dondelelcaro: I'll dig there. Thanks for your help, friend. I'm outta yer hair!
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02:05.44felipe_directhex ok
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02:05.54dondelelcaro!any ideas
02:05.55dpkgYeah, I have an idea!  But I'll need a sack of string, a little vegemite, and a handful of sex-crazed oxen.  And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours!
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02:07.13RoadrunneHi @ll, where can I get some docs about mirroring a debian server?
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02:07.47felipe_directhex seems fine I guess
02:07.55toymachinesup, can yous guys point me to the kernel compile DEBIAN way howto?
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02:08.08caphusotoymachine: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz
02:08.15felipe_Module dri: vendor="The XFree86 Project"  compiled for 4.3.0.1, module version = 1.0.0 ABI class: XFree86 Server Extension, version 0.2
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02:09.24seninwhat is the difference between kernel-source and kernel-tree packages
02:09.34manlymatt83Is it possible to get a debian machine to authentication via PAM and/or LDAP etc. etc. to a radius server?
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02:09.43cireis it possible to give arguments for the login shell in passwd file? (and if yes, how?)
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02:09.54felipe_directhex inst it fine?
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02:10.33astronutI may have compiled the loop module in (as opposed to compiling as module)..how do i check?
02:11.13caphusoastronut: grep CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP /boot/config-$(uname -r)
02:11.18directhexfelipe_, if it were fine, you wouldn't get the message you got.
02:11.32doublehpnobody got a clue about the Bureau 103 ?
02:11.45dondelelcaroastronut: check dmesg and look for an anouncement from loop.
02:11.55astronutsays y
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02:11.59felipe_directhex yes I know...bu at least where is has to do w/ dri itself, no error is shown
02:12.00astronutthanks caphuso
02:12.02dondelelcaroFE loop: loaded (max 8 devices)
02:12.03astronuthow about aes?
02:12.38caphusogrep AES
02:12.50astronuthmm
02:12.54astronutno yes or no
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02:13.59Aatonmanlymatt83: you should be able to get debian to do that...
02:14.12shad0wf4xis debian better than gentoo?
02:14.14astronutcaphuso: anything else to look for?
02:14.19mattyonaw
02:14.23astronutshad0wf4x: that's a matter of opinion
02:14.25mattyogentoo is da bomb
02:14.26toymachineso why should i not unpack my kernel source to /usr/src/linux
02:14.27toymachine?
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02:14.34astronut# CONFIG_CRYPTO is not set
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02:14.48michaelis54dondelelcaro: mda@algol:~$ env
02:14.48michaelis54KDE_MULTIHEAD=false
02:14.48michaelis54SSH_AGENT_PID=1260
02:14.49michaelis54DM_CONTROL=/var/run/xdmctl
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02:14.50Aatonshad0wf4x: better is a poor way to rate distros....
02:14.59shad0wf4xwhat's a good way?
02:15.09astronutshad0wf4x: evaluate the features you need
02:15.12manlymatt83Aaton: know any documentation?
02:15.13astronutand look at how you use it
02:15.17astronutthen pick the best FOR YOU
02:15.21manlymatt83Thing is, we'd like to store the user's shell in there as well.  That would be really nice.
02:15.30shad0wf4xwell what is debian good for as opposed to gentoo?
02:15.32mattyobut isn't everyone better using gentoo?
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02:15.40michaelis54SOOO sorry about that!!!
02:15.48astronutshad0wf4x: i like it's package managment (but i've never used emerge)
02:16.06dondelelcaromichaelis54: use the paster bot...
02:16.08dondelelcaro!paster
02:16.08dpkgInstead of pasting in #debian or #flood, use paster, your friendly paste bot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste select #debian, and paste away.
02:16.12shad0wf4xi like emerge
02:16.18shad0wf4xbut i hear it's just like apt-get
02:16.30dondelelcaroshad0wf4x, mattyo: that's great, you can take the meta-troll elsewhere.
02:16.40shad0wf4xwhat's meta-troll?
02:16.52manlymatt83I'm not trolling.  I'm just stating my preference.  I like Debian too.
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02:17.11shad0wf4xi think she's talking about the other matt
02:17.17manlymatt83oh okay
02:17.18Aatonshad0wf4x: well its a matter of choice. Packages or compiling stuff and hope. Gentoo leaves alot to the user to figure out while debian has done some work to simplify some tasks. Its all about what you want to do. I uses debian on my laptop but gentoo on my asterisk server..
02:17.23paster"astronut" at 162.39.87.143 pasted "Test paste-disregard" (50 lines) at http://channels.debian.net/paste/237
02:17.24michaelis54!paste
02:17.24dpkgi guess paste is Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff
02:17.31astronutcool
02:17.35astronuti like this new bot thing
02:17.42mattyo!paste
02:17.42dpkg[paste] Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood , visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ , or try /msg paster help. don't eat this stuff
02:17.51mattyo#flood
02:17.52chealerhi, I have some console output at boot (before gdm starts) I'd like to be able to see after boot. I can't find it in dmesg, /var/log/syslog or /var/log messages . is there another thing to try?
02:17.56caphusomattyo has a point, gentoo is indeed a bomb. you use it exactly once, and then never again...
02:18.12mattyogo debian
02:18.15dondelelcarochealer: it'll be in /var/log/dmesg
02:18.22mattyoi actually use it on my box
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02:18.47felipe_directhex (II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
02:19.32chealerdondelelcaro: thanks, but it doesn't seem to be there neither. it's a fatal error concerning a module I think
02:19.53dondelelcarochealer: well, it'll either be there, or in dmesg, or it didn't use syslog at all, so it's not logged.
02:20.00Aatonmanlymatt83: not sure if this will help you .. (I've not played with radius + ldap but I have heard it has been done.)
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02:20.07Aatonmanlymatt83: http://www.freeradius.org/radiusd/doc/rlm_ldap
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02:21.25chealerdondelelcaro: hum, any idea what to do? it's too high in tty1 (it stops scrolling)
02:21.27astronutthere is a .xlogout or something right?
02:22.45caphusoastronut: not necessary
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02:22.53astronutcaphuso: pardon?
02:23.05caphusoastronut: a ~/.xlogout is not necessary
02:23.14astronutcaphuso: but can one exist?
02:23.20astronutand will it run on ctrl + alt + bkspc?
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02:23.43caphusoastronut: you can simply put the commands you run after closing the session in your ~/.xsession, after the line that starts your window|session manager
02:24.05astronutcaphuso: ohhh..good point...
02:24.13astronutwill it run on ctrl + alt + bkspc though?
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02:24.28manlymatt83Where are IP config information kept in debian?
02:24.39TMSis there a better way to add/remove services, besides doing it manually/update-rc.d?
02:24.42asgmanlymatt83: /etc/network/interfaces
02:24.43dondelelcaromanlymatt83: /etc/network/interfaces; man 5 interfaces
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02:24.45caphusooh, and make sure to not use exec in your .xsession
02:24.52astronuthmm
02:24.57astronuti don't use startx
02:24.58dondelelcaroTMS: you can use file-rc if you want...
02:24.59astronuti use gdm
02:25.03astronutwhich calls startfluxbox
02:25.07manlymatt83thanks asg
02:25.09astronutwhich calls ~/.fluxbox/startup
02:25.12dondelelcaroastronut: if you use the Debian session, gdm will use your .xsession
02:25.23astronutoh really?
02:25.26astronutah well
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02:25.35astronutstartfluxbox works, so too lazy to change
02:25.36TMSdondelelcaro: I'll test it
02:25.48astronutya, it uses exec
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02:25.53astronutbut i guess i jsut remove exec, right?
02:26.07jinhi. what is the program to download a website off the net?
02:26.10sanxiynTMS: GDM Debian session works.
02:26.12caphusojin: wget
02:26.12astronutand put it on the end thing?
02:26.28astronutjin: wget
02:26.34astronute:f;b
02:26.50caphusoastronut: just drop the exec. it makes only sense when you use it for your window manager
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02:26.56astronutkk
02:26.58astronutwhat does it mean?
02:27.09astronutcaphuso: do you know if it will run on ctrl alt bkspc?
02:27.14caphusoastronut: it should
02:27.19sanxiynastronut: help exec
02:27.26sanxiynastronut: That will tell something :-)
02:27.33astronutah, got ya
02:27.35dimesHola All, Anyone know why openswan and l2tpd seem to have dropped out of sarge? Or where I might find out why they were dropped? Thanks
02:27.35astronutcool
02:27.42caphusoastronut: it tells the shell to exit instead of suspending itself and waiting for the command after the exit to finish
02:27.48astronutgot ya
02:28.02dondelelcarodimes: the usual reason is open RC bugs and unresponsive maintainers
02:28.15astronutstill not sure about ctrl-alt-bkspc...i guess it would since it's a script...but the script is CALLED by gdm, which runs IN x
02:28.32caphusoastronut: just try it
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02:28.43dimesdondelelcaro: urgh, I hate when that happens.
02:28.45astronutgood point
02:28.49astronuti guess a touch will work
02:28.59dondelelcarodimes: for openswan, it looks like they've been fixed, and should propogate to testing soon.
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02:29.22dimesdondelelcaro: Is there some central place I can find out stuff like that?
02:29.40dondelelcaro!dbugs 206804
02:29.40jinastronut / caphuso how come it downloads html files only... do i need to set any switch for other types?
02:29.44dpkg#206804:G[l2tpd] l2tpd: connections fail when run as daemon
02:29.52astronutjin: does not
02:29.59astronutwget www.example.com/foo.txt
02:30.01dondelelcarodimes: as far as l2tpd, ^^^ will keep it from entering, and being in sarge until it's fixed.
02:30.01astronutwill work fine
02:30.11astronutbrb, testing something
02:30.21sanxiyndimes: openswan is replaced by freeswan.
02:30.34jincool working now thanks astronut
02:30.42sanxiynEh, no.
02:30.46dimessanxiyn: Uhh, didnt openswan replace freeswan?
02:31.06sanxiyndimes: Yes, you're right.
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02:31.18sanxiynHm, openswan got removed?
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02:31.36TMSsanxiyn: GDM Debian session? for startup scripts?
02:31.45dondelelcaro!iinfo openswan testing
02:31.46dimessanxiyn: yeah, that why I am here....it was in just a week or two ago....but has since been dropped
02:31.50dondelelcaro!info openswan testing
02:31.58dondelelcaro!info openswan
02:32.13dimesheh
02:32.14dpkgopenswan: (IPSEC utilities for Openswan), section net, is optional. Version: 2.3.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 4856 kB, Installed size: 10212 kB
02:32.22dondelelcaroyeah, so it's not in testing right now...
02:32.30dondelelcaro!why is openswan not in testing
02:32.31dpkgopenswan is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=openswan
02:32.35dondelelcarodimes: see above
02:32.53dimesdondelelcaro: thats an interesting system
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02:33.17caphusoregularily in use are screen, xterm, rxvt, linux console, vt420
02:33.18michal_hi.. i have purchased a domain name and now need someone to host it. i have already assigned the domain servers of the people who are going to host it using the web interface provided. can anyone tell mewhat delegation/redelegation involves and why I need to pay for it after already having paid for the domain name?
02:33.19astronutcool
02:33.21astronutit worked
02:33.22caphusoargh
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02:34.41toymachineis there sound howto when upgradeing to 2.6.x kernels
02:35.25dondelelcaromichal_: eh? who the hell is asking for delegation or redelegation?
02:35.42toymachinenm got it
02:36.01michal_dondelelcaro: the people who will host the domain name will only do so after completing such a form
02:36.32michaelis54!paste michaelis54: this domain name scam is not me.
02:36.32dpkgthat's too long, michaelis54
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02:37.07michal_dondelelcaro: and more specifically AAPT
02:37.30michal_dondelelcaro: basically there is no option but to pay for delegation/redelegation
02:38.00dondelelcaromichal_: find a different hoster
02:38.02astronut!kernel
02:38.30asgastronut: /msg the bots
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02:38.40astronutasg: i never remember which has what
02:38.44michal_dondelelcaro: can't.. everything goes through AAPT. they are the ones providing the host to which we need to point a hostname to
02:38.58asgastronut: /msg <bot> list{keys,vals} <keywords>
02:38.59michal_the ip of the host rather
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02:39.18michal_but my point was.. what does delegation/redelegation involve?
02:39.23michal_isn't it what I have ALREADY done?
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02:39.39ll4-aawhat's the dig command
02:39.41ll4-aafor install?
02:39.44ll4-aaapt-get install dig?
02:39.44ll4-aaor?
02:39.46dondelelcaro!tell ll4-aa about search
02:39.47asgll4-aa: domain information groper
02:39.54ll4-aaand nslookup?
02:39.55nvzdondelelcaro: dnsutils, probably
02:39.55asgll4-aa: and it's in dnsutils
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02:39.59budi_anyone has suggestion what can be used for dial in server?
02:40.08ll4-aaasg
02:40.09dondelelcaronvz: yerp
02:40.09ll4-aathank u
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02:40.41nvzdondelelcaro: heh, I tab-completed you huh.
02:40.47dondelelcaromichal_: why? they obviously don't have a clue what they're doing... so I'd stay the hell away from them if possible
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02:40.54Snadderhow is it possible to have two network interfaces.. on two diffrent subnets.. and be able to ssh into both of them?.. with "advanced routing"?
02:41.23dondelelcaroSnadder: the same way you'd have two network interfaces on the same subnet...
02:41.31asgSnadder: as long as both ips are routable from where you are, you can ssh into both
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02:42.35Snadderasg, lol.. your right.. I just did an typo
02:43.39dondelelcaromichal_: it's possible what they're talking about is the ip address, and the fact that they want you to buy a range of IPs or something
02:43.55dondelelcaromichal_: although, for a single server, that sounds kind of wierd to me
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02:48.56khanybody can help meeeeeeeee plssss ... im tryin to zip a file, but it gives me: gzip: Shared/ is a directory -- ignored ... how can i fix that ?
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02:49.21asgkh: tar it first, then gzip it
02:49.28asgkh: /msg dpkg tar
02:49.39khlet me try
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02:50.02asgstu8: Gnu apt?
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02:50.10NobleArcthe hell is GNU apt?
02:50.16Snadderasg: hm. seems like I was wrong. I can only ping out one "hop". on my second subnet.. and I cant ssh into this second subnet
02:50.21stu8isnt that the graphical gnu-apt interface name ?  :)
02:50.22SmurgHow can I set the BROWSER enviromental Variable??
02:50.34Snadderasg, when I remove the first subnet.. it works to ssh into the second one
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02:50.41TCWkh, man tar... you generally use tar with different switches for different compression formats
02:50.56asgSmurg: depends on your shell but 'export BROWERS=val' will work for bash
02:51.00stu8gnome-apt... thats what I meant :)
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02:51.20Smurgasg : and how do i execute .sh files
02:51.23asgSnadder: you probably have default routes being set by each
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02:51.25travisat_stu8: synaptic
02:51.38Snadderdondelelcaro, asg?.. any sugestions about whats wrong/what I can do?
02:51.46stu8travisat... synaptic does take install lists ?
02:52.00Snadderasg: yes.. I have two default gateways
02:52.06asgSmurg: /bin/sh /path/to/file ; chmod 750 /path/to/file.sh && /path/to/file.sh
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02:52.29chealerI found a way to read the messages that scroll at boot : I reboot in recover mode, and then Shift+PageUp to read what was written. unfortunately I can't scroll up beyond a couple tens of lines. would there be a setting that determines how many lines are kept?
02:52.31asgSnadder: you can only have one default. Choose one, create a static route to the other
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02:52.52nvzchealer: less /var/log/dmesg
02:52.52Smurgasg : Export BROWSERS=val doesnt work, when i say sensible-browser , it says none of the browsers worked
02:53.00Snadderasg: how do I create a static route?
02:53.05nvzchealer: is the entire log
02:53.05Smurgasg: How can I set the directory manually
02:53.06starfishhey scott
02:53.17stu8chealer you should be able to scroll up directly
02:53.17asgSmurg: not Export, 'export BROWSER=<wtf your browser is>'
02:53.25starfishnvz i have a question
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02:53.39nvzstarfish: I have an answer, but I doubt they match
02:54.02travisat_stu8: I don't know.  for lists I use apt-get
02:54.14chealernvz: it's unfortunately not in /var/log/dmesg (I wonder why)
02:54.17stu8travisat, ah OK
02:54.21Smurgasg : Im trying to install firefox, its in /root/firefox...how do i set it
02:54.23starfishhow do i do this windows emulator for brandy she wants to play one of her games
02:54.24chealerstu8: there's a limit
02:54.33nvzchealer: try dmesg | less
02:54.36asgSnadder: man route (/sbin/route add -net <network> gw <gateway ip>
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02:54.48nvzstarfish: I have no idea.
02:54.49asgSnadder: ? why not 'apt-get install mozilla-firefox' ?
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02:55.00nvzstarfish: I don't even know what you are talking about
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02:55.05Smurgasg : Ok how do I remove Mozilla
02:55.15Smurgasg: apt-get remove mozilla doesnt wrk
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02:55.20starfishi thought you where talking to someone about it you said
02:55.38khTCW, hehehehe ... thanks man, im new on linux xD
02:55.47asgSmurg: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep mozilla (remove the names in the second column that you don't want)
02:55.58nvzstarfish: I don't reacall. and I am not logging right now
02:56.13TCWkh, I "know" ;)
02:56.29Smurgasg : Thanks man
02:56.37cefanyone know when/if mozilla-sunbird is going to be packaged for debian?
02:56.47asgcef: wtf is sunbird?
02:56.48TCWthat's why my hint was somewhat more verbose ;)
02:56.55cefasg: calandering app
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02:57.15starfishwell anyway i need a windows emulator for brandys games
02:57.23Snadderasg: is it possible to set theese static routes in /etc/network/interfaces?
02:57.32asgcef: probably, check www.debian.org/devel/wnpp to see if someone has submitted a rfp.
02:57.39cefasg: supports shared calendars via webdav/ftp and email, etc.
02:57.53asgSnadder: yes, use a 'up /sbin/route ...'
02:57.56nvzstarfish: all I know about is cedega, and it requires you have a DRI enabled X server with 3d accell as far as I know.  so you would first need drivers in your kernel and X server for whatever video card you have
02:58.00khTCW and i dont know if i am doing right or so well ... but i did: tar -c filename and now there is lots and lots of leters, symbols etc ... that is right ?
02:58.03asgSnadder: in the interface specification
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02:59.00wntdosh      6995  0.2  0.0     0    0 ?        ZNs  18:58   0:00 [fortune] <defunct>
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02:59.07cefasg: just getting crap from someone in management about shared calendars.. *grin*
02:59.17FieldySnutsfind out fortune's parent (pstree), and kill that
02:59.22wntdI have 3 or four dozon of these [fortune] <defunct> processes
02:59.22asgcef: yeah, I know how that goes
02:59.24FieldySnutsnote that any child of said parent will die too
02:59.30stu8asg... does any use of apt-get install dependencies too ? (any... I mean, always ?)
02:59.54nvzwntd: killall fortune
02:59.55AtomonI just installed woody. this is my first linux experience. I can't get XFree86 to work and I think it's because my video card is a GeForce 6800. Can someone help me out?
02:59.56asgstu8: yes (unless you are using sid, at which point all bets are off.)
03:00.04FieldySnutshe can't do that if they're defunct, do what I said
03:00.05stu8ah OK thanks
03:00.26asgAtomon: woody was released long before that card so only vesa will work. I suggest you install the newer and soon to be released 'sarge' instead (/msg dpkg d-i)
03:00.27wntdah! It's the apple2 xscreensaver
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03:00.33nvzheh
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03:01.02nvza mac mini, yee haw :P
03:01.06stu8("mac mini" ?)
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03:01.28nvzstu8: yeah apple finally released a pc normal people can afford
03:01.34michal_dondelelcaro: it seems like they refuse to add any records the domain name to their nameservers without a deomain name redelegation order form being filled out
03:01.35NobleArcI'll mac YOUR mini.
03:01.40stu8nvz lol
03:01.44nvzstu8: they call it the mini, comes without key, mouse, speakers, screen..etc
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03:01.52NobleArcIt doesn't come with anything.
03:01.53nvzstu8: from what I understand
03:01.56NobleArcIt's an empty box, I tell you.
03:02.00nvzhaha
03:02.01Atomonasg: so sarge has support for the 6800? When i installed woody i was using a tutorial which mentioned that i couldn't use a USB mouse with woody. is this true of sarge too?
03:02.03cefasg: ahh found a rfp, and noticed that asac is looking to package it 'at some stage'
03:02.04asgmichal_: fill out the form but don't pay them any money.
03:02.15stu8nvz... they could have save even more money if it came without a board or chip too :)
03:02.20wntdoh snap
03:02.24asgAtomon: usb in general (due to newer kernels) is much better in sarge.
03:02.30TCWkh, I know that the manpage of tar is a bit confusing (maybe too complex) for newbies... so a liitle credit for that ;) just user tar like that if you want to gzip a folder: >> tar cvzf output.tgz /path/to/folder/ << "c" stands for "create", "v" = verbose output (you probably wanne see what tar is doing), "z" = gzip format (nice alternative would be "j" for bzip2), "f" = "file" followed by the filename of the output.
03:02.30nvzstu8: they probably thought of that already
03:02.30wntdokay, I've connected with ssh -X
03:02.49wntdnow how do I get those programs to show up on my Mac's X11 server
03:02.53Atomonasg: so is there any reason for me to use a USB->PS/2 converter in sarge (dug one outta the closet for woody)
03:02.58dondelelcaromichal_: hahahaha
03:02.58stu8well... as long as the mini has one of those snazzy clear cases, I'll try it :)
03:03.09TCWkh, oh... and "path/to/folder/" is the folder you wanna backup :)
03:03.17asgAtomon: I don't know if sarge supports 6800s specifically but I know that your chances of it working are greater. Perhaps someone else here knows about that particular card.
03:03.23TCWs/backup/compress/
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03:03.31dondelelcaromichal_: yeah, that should be a real warning sign to you that your hosting company is shit.
03:03.37khall right
03:03.56asgAtomon: you should have no problems with usb mice and keyboards in sarge (at least using the 2.6.8 kernels)
03:03.58dondelelcaromichal_: a good hosting company wouldn't care about such a thing
03:04.03khthat helps to much :D
03:04.13khTCW, thanks man, i appreciate it
03:04.14TCWkh, to me more specific... the "-" before the options is not necessary but it is not forbidden also
03:04.19asgmichal_: it's an easily scripted process. If they are charging you, they are probably manually updating zone files.
03:04.21TCWs/me/be/
03:04.26stu8OK... so, with the debian 3 release, can you also use debs from earlier releases, or is it newer than only ?
03:04.28Atomonasg: Kind of an unrelated question, but once i get sarge installed and X working, is it easy enough to install KDE?
03:04.30starfishnvz i talked to AOL
03:04.43nvzstarfish: oh boy :)
03:04.44asgstu8: you should only use debs for the release you have.
03:05.00asgstu8: in some cases, you can use sid debs with sarge (at least right now.)
03:05.01starfishthere gonna give us back close to 100
03:05.11nvzstarfish: thats decent.
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03:05.25nvz!28.90*6
03:05.26dpkg173.4
03:05.32stu8asg...OK thanks (stu8 <-- debian newbie)
03:05.32nvzits over half I guess
03:05.35asgstu8: the only reason to do that is for a security issue or a bugfix
03:05.37khok
03:05.38starfishtry to offer me more of there glorified web browser for free
03:05.44nvzstarfish: their
03:05.47starfishtry=tried
03:06.01khTCW, than you... i have to go, but i'll be back later
03:06.01khxDD
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03:06.05asgstu8: lots more info can be found in the debian reference at www.debian.org/doc
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03:06.14khthank you*
03:06.22TCWkh, you're welcome :)
03:06.26co0mmandhello. i removed /etc/apache2. and when i try install apache2.. i wont see nothing in /etc/apache2.. why??
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03:06.34stu8asg thanks again, will look
03:06.39asgstu8: you're welcome
03:06.41TCWkh, but... next time... read the fucking manpage on your own! :p
03:06.51khxDDDDDDDDD
03:06.52co0mmandasg hi lol
03:06.53khi willlllllllll
03:06.55co0mmandhello. i removed /etc/apache2. and when i try install apache2.. i wont see nothing in /etc/apache2.. why??
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03:06.59starfishthey said the rest of the monet take it up with the bank
03:07.07Atomonasg: ?
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03:07.12starfishmnoet=money geez
03:07.12drac!tell co0mmand about repeat
03:07.13asgco0mmand: apt-get install --reinstall apache2
03:07.20co0mmandasg it dont work
03:07.21co0mmandlol
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03:07.22co0mmandi tried
03:07.22m0rbidI had ALSA working fine, then I did an upgrade to testing, discover seems to have noticed everything, but when I reboot, I allways have to run alsaconf to get my soundcard to work again, but it loads my tvTuner card fine.. Problem is, since the upgrade, ALSAconf doesnt load the soundcard anymore. Any suggestions?
03:07.26co0mmandit dont work
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03:07.37starfishmy keyboard went retarded
03:07.37asgAtomon: sorry, I missed your question. Installing kde is easy after you do that
03:07.39asg!install kde
03:07.40dpkgsomebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less.
03:07.41nvzstarfish: about the wintendo.. you only have two options emulation by something like wine or cedega that is actually a re-written win32 API for linux, or a PC emulator where you actually install a copy of windows.. and considering you have a PII w/ 128MB ram I really dont know that either would be worth it
03:07.51co0mmand-bash: cd: /etc/apache2: No such file or directory
03:07.52co0mmand:(((
03:07.59co0mmandwhat's wrong
03:08.01nvzstarfish: its probably a pebcak
03:08.28m0rbidco0mmand: ls /etc/| grep apache
03:08.33m0rbiderk
03:08.39m0rbidco0mmand: ls /etc/ | grep apache
03:08.40Atomonasg: sorry to be a total noob, but would you recommend kde or kde-core?
03:08.48kfogel_co0mmand: I just joined the channel, so I may be missing some context here, but: did you install your own apache2, or did you get it from a debian package (i.e., apt-get)?
03:08.50co0mmand-bash: /etc/: is a directory
03:08.55asgAtomon: I've never used it, I'd suggest asking #debian-kde in that case.
03:08.59co0mmandyep
03:09.01m0rbidkdecore if you are running another WM
03:09.04starfishso i should just put windows on one of these other hd's?
03:09.04co0mmandi did it with apt
03:09.05Atomonasg: cool, thanks
03:09.10asgAtomon: you're welcome
03:09.14kfogel_co0mmand: ah, okay
03:09.18co0mmandapt-get install apache2. and rm -rf /etc/apache2 .. now?
03:09.26m0rbidco0mmand: ls /etc | grep apache
03:09.28m0rbidhmmm
03:09.29m0rbidwait
03:09.33co0mmandnothing
03:09.36kfogel_co0mmand: So, you typed "ls /etc | grep apache", and you got a bash error?
03:09.44co0mmandnop
03:09.49co0mmandjust nothing
03:09.52kfogel_co0mmand: oh
03:09.55co0mmandultra:/var/cache/apt/archives# ls /etc | grep apache
03:09.55co0mmandultra:/var/cache/apt/archives#
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03:10.22nvzstarfish: I would think so, if you must have windows for games, you might as well just install it. running a PC emulator means sharing resources, and  using an emulator means having to setup drivers for the ATI Rage onboard, and I dont know how fast the games will even run on that pc
03:10.42starfishbrb tea
03:10.52Atomonasg: oh, one more question. i have a AMD 64-bit processor. is there an easy way to get a 64-bit version of debian or should i just runin 32-bit mode/
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03:11.06nvzstarfish: its not a real popular subject in the linux community, but asking a person like me who certainly doesnt care and would never use such a thing doesnt help you any.. I am always going to not think its a good idea
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03:11.24kfogel_co0mmand: "find /etc -name "*httpd*" -print"
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03:11.59co0mmandnothing
03:12.00co0mmandagain
03:12.04smjHey guys, anyone know of which command I can use to generate a random hash?  I'm generating an SSID for a wireless access point.
03:12.09m0rbiddo you even have it installed?
03:12.17decklinsmj: mcookie
03:12.31nvzcookie monster?
03:12.37co0mmandyea
03:12.48m0rbidIf you apt-get install apache2, itll say if you have it installed or not.. Unless hwoever you compiled it from source.
03:12.49co0mmandi installed it apt-get install apache2 --reinstall
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03:12.54starfishi figured out why grams internet was running so slow and timing out
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03:13.08kfogel_smj: cat /dev/random > foo; md5sum foo
03:13.13asgAtomon: there is a amd64 debian port
03:13.15nvzstarfish: yeah, I imagine she spilled cappuccino on the modem
03:13.20co0mmandwhen i install, i will see nothing in /etc/apache2
03:13.23smjkfogel_, decklin, nvz:  Thanks.  I appreciate the quick answer.  Now I've got some answers.  :-)
03:13.32meffanyone use joysticks much in linux? the axis on my gravis xterminator triggers movement in applications wwaayy too easy.. its very sensitive, i can tap it and the app will recognize it.. is there any way globally to set linux to make the axis less sensitive?
03:13.33asgAtomon: try #debian-amd64 for more info
03:13.41smjkfogel_, decklin, nvz:  s/answers/options
03:13.41m0rbidNow, any sound card gurus on? I cant get this damn thing to work, I modprobed it, discover finds it, but xmms doesnt seem to run it.
03:13.46Atomonasg: thanks again for knowing all the answers, heh
03:13.51nvzsmj: no problem, considering I didnt even say anything to you ;)
03:13.57TCWco0mmand, what does "dpkg --get-selections |grep apache" state?
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03:14.11asgAtomon: you're welcome
03:14.18co0mmandapache apachecommon install
03:14.21co0mmandapache2 install
03:14.21m0rbiddpkg --get-selections | grep apache
03:14.21dpkgm0rbid: I give up, what is it?
03:14.22co0mmandi saw
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03:14.32co0mmandapache2-common                                  install
03:14.33co0mmandapache2-mpm-worker                              install
03:14.34starfishwell thats what it was but i think its like 7 years old so i told her to take it to adelphia and get a new one ....she rents it from them so shed paid for that old one about 3 times now
03:14.35co0mmand..
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03:15.09m0rbidco0mmand: what happens when you do apt=get install apache2? Does it say its allready the latest version?
03:15.18jakanyone install the CLE266 Via drivers in debian?
03:15.19co0mmandm0rbid yep
03:15.28smjnvz: Oh, I thought your "cookie monster" comment was in response to decklin's response.  Ooops.  :-)
03:15.31m0rbidwell then do apt-get remove apache2 --purge
03:15.33m0rbidand reinstall it
03:15.38co0mmandUnpacking apache2 (from .../apache2_2.0.52-3_i386.deb) ...
03:15.38co0mmandSetting up apache2 (2.0.52-3) ...
03:15.38co0mmandultra:/var/www#
03:15.42m0rbidwell, thats that I would do
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03:16.03co0mmand-bash: cd: /etc/apache2: No such file or directory
03:16.04co0mmandagain
03:16.05co0mmand..
03:16.06nvzjak: http://www.google.com/search?q=anyone+install+the+CLE266+VIA+drivers+in+debian
03:16.14wasabi_What package is debian-archive.gpg in? Or is it available on a web site?
03:16.16Snadderasg, to be able to use the second interface from anywhere.. what network/netmask do I need to use then?
03:16.31nvzjak: come back when you have a real question :)   google is your frind for usage polls
03:16.36TCWco0mmand, did you purge it first?
03:16.46co0mmandyeah
03:16.47co0mmandTCW.
03:17.02nvzsmj: it was, but I dont see how making a joke was of any help to you.
03:17.06TCWco0mmand, what do you use? sarge?
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03:17.28jordo23can someone help me with my smb.conf file?
03:17.29smjnvz: Point taken.
03:17.32smjnvz: :-)
03:17.44m0rbidjordo23: whats the problem?
03:17.55co0mmandaa amin
03:17.56asgco0mmand: apt-get install --reinstall apache2-common
03:17.57dracco0mmand: apt-get remove --purge apache2, then create empty directory /etc/apache2, and install again.
03:18.00co0mmandyeah sarge
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03:18.03jordo23m0rbid: Well.....I had a connection, but screwed up my smb.conf file...
03:18.11Snadderasg, still alive?
03:18.14m0rbidjordo23: whats the problem?
03:18.17asgSnadder: barely :)
03:18.29co0mmandultra:/etc/apache2# ls
03:18.29jordo23m0rbid: I tried to rewrite it, now i cant get a connection...
03:18.30co0mmandapache2.conf  httpd.conf      mods-enabled  sites-available
03:18.35co0mmandaa.. asg thank you!
03:18.36co0mmand:P
03:18.41asgco0mmand: you're welcome
03:18.43m0rbidjordo23: what the error?
03:18.44co0mmandhehe
03:18.57jordo23m0rbid: do I have to restart the server whenever I change the smb.conf?
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03:19.11TCWdrac, why sould he manually create a directory? I dunno what he's doing wrong but that is a realy strange "solution" :p
03:19.12nvzjordo23: depends, if you use daemon or inetd
03:19.12Snadderasg, do you know the answer/want to help me with it..?.. or should I ask someone else;O
03:19.14m0rbidjordo23: /etc/init.d samba restart
03:19.21co0mmandTCW m0rbid thanks.
03:19.29m0rbidjordo23: '/etc/init.d/samba restart' rather
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03:19.35m0rbidco0mmand: np
03:19.38nvzm0rbid: if you don't use initd
03:19.40dractcw, maybe but it helped me sometimes. ;P
03:19.43nvzer inetd
03:20.00m0rbidnvz: how many people dont use the daemon?
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03:20.16asgSnadder: I'd ask someone else, I have to go; my apologies.
03:20.17nvzm0rbid: *shrug* I don't get emailed usage statistics
03:20.21TCWdrac, compiling from source may help too sometimes... but... what are we using here? It is still debian, heh? ;)
03:20.30dracheh, right.
03:20.33nvzm0rbid: but from what my sources saym with inetd it doesnt have to be restarted
03:20.36Snadderasg: ok, np. thanks for the help so far:)
03:20.40m0rbidnvz: true, good point. *bows*
03:20.52TMSwhat alternatives are there to update-rc.d and file-rc?
03:21.16m0rbidnvz: I run the daemon, and I dont get usage reports. I feel left out now.
03:21.26Snadderanyone know what network/netmask I need to use in an static route on a second interface, to be able to use the interface from anywhere?
03:21.38nvzm0rbid: yeah I run it as daemons as well.
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03:22.03jordo23m0rbid: ok...did that....can't see my server from my xp box anymore...
03:22.08dractms, check "sysv-rc-conf" and "rcconf"
03:22.14TCWSnadder, that is highly dependent on your network settings
03:22.14nvzm0rbid: but I am an ig'nernt yinzer, so you should not believe in me :)
03:22.36TMSdrac: I will. do you know, by chance, if there is a webmin module for it?
03:22.40m0rbidjordo23: apt-get install smbclient, do smbtree, do you see your XP server?
03:22.48drac!webmin
03:22.49dpkgmethinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Using any browser that supports tables and forms, you can setup user accounts, internet services, DNS, file sharing and so on.  Check it out at http://www.webmin.com/webmin/ but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. don't use it!, or "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." g)
03:23.13jordo23m0rbid: xp isn't running a server....
03:23.22SnadderTCW: I got 255.255.252.0 network with a gateway.. and a 255.255.255.224 network with another gateway
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03:23.27rellikI'm trying to write a simple script that will feed commands to a webserver via telnet, then save the resulting file..  the problem is that telnet seems to die as soon as it seems it's STDIN close (when it's input reaches EOF)...  so telnet dies before the server has a chance to respond..  any ideas as to how to fix this?  I've tried "echo <commands> | telnet <host> <port>" and "telnet <host> <port> < <commands_file>"...  both have same problem
03:23.35jordo23m0rbid: trying to setup a samba server on my linux box...
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03:23.58m0rbidjordo23: install smbclient, and run smbtree
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03:24.02SnadderTCW, the network with netmask 255.255.255.224 got the default gw set
03:24.08TMS!alternative method for ridiculous rc-script handling
03:24.15TMShm, nothing
03:24.22nvzrellik: that sounds real secure ;)
03:24.47nvz</sarcasm>
03:25.11SnadderTCW, but I cant ssh to the ip on the 255.255.252.0 network, I can only use it from within that network
03:25.17wasabi_Are there any performance tuning things I can do to make Linux more responsive. For instance, when I have heavy disk activity, X sometimes locks up for a second. I assume it is just a program blocking on a read or write. No big deal. But it doesn't happen in WIndows... it seems desktop programs are able to "go first".
03:25.29jordo23m0rbid: did that....prompting me for a password...
03:25.38m0rbidjordo23: hit enter
03:25.52TCWSnadder, so what? Those netmask and network addresses look very... ehm.... how should I say it... let's say "specific" so one could only help if he or she (or it) knows your network completely
03:25.56jordo23m0rbid: went to the next line....
03:26.01m0rbidok
03:26.29jordo23nothing happened....
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03:26.30m0rbidjordo23: do 'ps aux | grep samba' see if its running at all
03:26.45SnadderTCW, its nothing special about it.. its two plain normal gateways
03:27.08m0rbidI mean..
03:27.09nvzm0rbid: smbd
03:27.10SnadderTCW, on two "normal" and diffrent subnets
03:27.16m0rbidjordo23: do 'ps aux | grep smbd' see if its running at all
03:27.18m0rbidhehe
03:27.19m0rbidthx
03:27.20jordo23did that...
03:27.25jordo23how do I tell...
03:27.32stu8ummm... priorities maybe ?
03:27.32m0rbiditll show it
03:27.42SnadderTCW, i'm just trying to use both my interfaces from outside its own network
03:27.54m0rbiddid you replace samba with smbd?
03:27.55jordo23should be running...
03:28.02m0rbidjordo23: do 'ps aux | grep smbd' see if its running at all
03:28.02TCWSnadder, what is "outside"?
03:28.04SnadderTCW, I know each of them work aline
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03:28.13jordo23did that...
03:28.23m0rbidjust goes to the next line?
03:28.31TCWSnadder, would you mind drawing a scheme or graphic? ;)
03:28.33SnadderTCW, thats when someone which is not in this subnet tries to connect to the the box
03:28.38jordo23no....I see about four lines of text...
03:28.46Snadder-the
03:28.52m0rbidpaste them in #flood
03:29.01TCWSnadder, the box in the other subnet?
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03:29.40nvzI still havent got my timezone set right :P
03:29.53Snadderwell.. its one box, with two interfaces on two diffrent subnets
03:30.00nvzthat tzconfig puzzles me
03:30.12SnadderTCW, I only got one default gateway
03:30.21jordo23back
03:30.22m0rbidjordo23: its not running.
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03:30.31SnadderTCW, so I need to add the other interface with an static route
03:30.34TCWSnadder, confusing... really :)
03:30.40jordo23m0rbid: what should I do?
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03:31.00m0rbidjordo23: read towards the end of /var/log/syslog, see if theres an error
03:31.02TMSdrac: rcconf was ok. thanks
03:31.13SnadderTCW, kidding?.. i'm trying to boost up my internet.. with two diffrent internet connections
03:31.14m0rbidor, read the samba error logs, which are at... ermmm... hang on
03:31.47TCWSnadder, ohhh... you mean kind of a load balancing with two cable or dsl links?
03:31.52TCWmeen
03:31.57TCWerr... mean ;)
03:32.13SnadderTCW, no. just so i'm able to ssh to both of theese connections
03:32.30TCWSnadder, so... wher is the problem?
03:32.39m0rbidermm, my soundcard, please someone, help me not get the hammer.
03:32.50Snadderthe problem is to get up both interfaces. so I can ssh to both of them
03:32.59m0rbidWhy cant I get it to work, I modprobed it, that went well, but still wont work
03:33.15SnadderTCW, the interface with an default gateway works good
03:33.25SnadderTCW, but I cant have two default gateways
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03:33.39TCWSnadder, the way you explain your situaition is really "cheese" and confusing
03:33.42jordo23m0rbid: did you see in #flood?
03:33.50TCWcheesy
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03:34.11m0rbidjordo23: why are you setting a DomainMaster ?
03:34.12Snadderwhats confusing?. theese two interfaces?
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03:34.21jordo23I didn't know I was...
03:34.27jordo23Is that in smb.conf?
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03:34.47m0rbidjordo23: the only thing you really have to set for a basic smb config is the WORKGROUP, and the shares..
03:34.53SmurgHi How do I add some commands to the linux startup? I want to execute some commands after it starts up..Something like msconfig in windows
03:34.55m0rbidsont edit anything you dont know what it is..
03:34.59TCWSnadder, everything! What IS the problem? To bring up an interface or to set up a static route?
03:35.07jordo23I have those set....here's the file in #flood.
03:35.07m0rbidjordo23: my advice?? apt-get remove samba --purge
03:35.12m0rbidjordo23: then reinstall it.
03:35.26nvzapt-get install --reinstall samba
03:35.27nvzthen
03:35.34m0rbidyes
03:35.36m0rbidthx
03:35.43SnadderTCW, ok.. to set up the static route, so I can connect to it from any box on the internet
03:36.01SmurgHow do I add some commands to linux startup?
03:36.09jordo23m0rbid: did you see that in #flood?
03:36.10SmurgI want to execute a few scripts
03:36.32nvzSmurg: you either add them to an existing bootscript like /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh, or create a new one and link it
03:36.36TCWSnadder, *narf* to connect to WHAT machine? The gateway? The one box which is behind both gateways?
03:36.46m0rbidjordo23: yes, you changed somethings, like I said, the only thing you have to change is workgroup, and your shares, and maybe some home directories.
03:36.55SnadderTCW, yes.. which is behind both gateways
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03:37.19nvzSmurg: in debian the bootscripts are in /etc/init.d/ and the links to start and stop them are pur in /etc/rc[0-6].d/
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03:37.31jordo23M0rbid: so you think I should just reinstall it?
03:37.46m0rbidjordo23: man samba. read it well, prolly the only man page I have read, also, learn the defaults before you play with advanced settings.
03:37.53SnadderTCW, I can reach the first interface (the one which got a default gateway)
03:37.54TCWSnadder, ahh... so this box has an official ICANN registered IP address?
03:38.01Kupal[]_hmm.. anyone know of any good streaming media sites for southpark im dying here and I need a laugh
03:38.11SnadderTCW, yes.. it got two official ipadresses
03:38.16m0rbidjordo23: also, comment out the default lines, and re-type them underneath, so you allways know what the defaults are
03:38.25SnadderTCW, static ones
03:38.50m0rbidjordo23: yes, apt-get remove samba --purge && apt-get install --reinstall samba
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03:39.27TCWSnadder, so you just want to add a static route... nothing more?
03:39.35SnadderTCW, yep. nothing more
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03:39.58SnadderTCW, but the problem is.. what netmask/network do I need to spesify?
03:40.08SnadderTCW, in the static route
03:40.13TCWSnadder, route add -net foobar...
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03:40.21dondelelcaroSnadder: you need to specify a netmask appropriate to whatever networks that router can reach
03:40.39Snadderdondelelcaro, this router can reach every other network
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03:40.42TCWSnadder, for sure the network address and netmask of the network itself thet link belongs too
03:40.46dondelelcaroSnadder: ok, you're in a more complicated position.
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03:40.52smjOk, I'm being lazy again.  Anyone know of a command that converts all of the lower case chars in a string to upper case?
03:40.56drp(<-- new to debian and unix in general)  Ok I'm trying to install a package that I downloaded using apt-get.  I added this line to my sources.list deb file:/home/cwerner/debian-packages unstable main but I get the error: Couldn't stat source package list file
03:40.56dondelelcaroSnadder: you're going to need to read the lartc to get that working correctly.
03:41.00dondelelcarosmj: tr
03:41.11dondelelcarosmj: sed 'tr/a-z/A-Z/' FE
03:41.11jordo23m0rbid: I reinstalled it....and it kept the same conf file...
03:41.18dondelelcaro!lartc
03:41.18dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, lartc is Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/
03:41.25smjdondelelcaro: I didn't think it was that easy.  Thanks!
03:41.26Snadderdondelelcaro, ok.. thanks!:)
03:41.33_joey_ip address and netmask without network address is sufficient
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03:41.43_joey_natmask sets network boundaries
03:41.43m0rbidjordo23: it didnt purge it.
03:42.03Josehi folks
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03:42.07jordo23m0rbid: this is what I got when trying to purge (#flood)
03:42.14Smurganyone agrees with me that Ms Windows sucks?
03:42.19dondelelcaroSnadder: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html <-- this is what you're going to spend a while reading and understanding
03:42.23Joseamen, smurg
03:42.29Kupal[]__joey_, if you don't declare your netmask it will give the default netmask for the class..
03:42.36Kupal[]_atleast say it right.
03:42.37nvzSmurg: yeah wintendo sucks
03:42.40m0rbidjordo23: apt-get remove samba --purge
03:42.45_joey_Kupal[]_ why are you telling me this?
03:42.47Smurgnvz : wintendo :) good one..
03:42.47m0rbidjordo23: exactly like that
03:43.18Josei thought it was windoze and internet exploder ... kinda like chip and dale
03:43.27nvzSmurg: only kids and grandmas play wintendo
03:43.30m0rbidjordo23: IMO, if you cant use apt* you really shouldnt be playing with samba as of yet ....  =/
03:43.31Kupal[]__joey_: i dunno, but you could you explain this pptp stuff on linux :)
03:43.43_joey_my pptp ?
03:43.50Snadderdondelelcaro, goodie..:))
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03:44.00Smurg"Spin a Microsoft CD backwards and you get satanic messages, but hey, spin it forwards and it installs windows..Think whats better for your computer"
03:44.05nvzSmurg: if they'd make a decent greeting card shop for linux, then at least the grandma's would be able to use linux
03:44.13TCWhmmm... dondelelcaro, does Snadder need lartc because if link "a" is the way to the default gateway but the connection from the internet arrived through link "b" but the answer for that connection goes (because of the default route) through link "a"?
03:44.13m0rbidSmurg: lol
03:44.16Smurgnvz : yeah
03:44.16Kupal[]_soundslike you know this stuff i would love to go over it with someone thats smarter then me..
03:44.23_joey_Kupal[]_ what are you talking about?
03:44.35felipewhat is the diference between kernel-image-2.4.27-1 and kernel-image-2.4.27-2 ??
03:44.50dondelelcaroTCW: the direction that packets travel aren't really an issue... if the packets get where they're going, it's all good.
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03:44.54nvzneed to attract some artists to design some clipart and make a gimp cardshop
03:45.01Kupal[]_nm
03:45.01jordo23m0rbid: what's the default path to the smb.conf...
03:45.10TCWdondelelcaro, so... why does he need lartc?
03:45.19Joseis anyone familiar with NetBeans 3.6 running on linux box ???
03:45.22dondelelcaroTCW: the reason why you want the lartc is so that you actually make use of the upstream bandwith on the second provider, which you won't use without it.
03:45.30_joey_as for setting up vpns on linux I'd never use pptp on it
03:45.38Smurgnvz : Well, I think more number of ppl are out there developing linux than the whole of MS, so, well, all we need is good marketing
03:45.48Joseis anyone familiar with NetBeans 3.6 running on linux box ???
03:46.22TCWdondelelcaro, but he said that he just want to reach the "other" link (ip address) and does not want to have a load-balancing-setup...
03:46.35Smurgnvz : and I heard that MS secretly incorporated a lot of Linux source into X-Box
03:47.04Eagle101help. In kde, any sound file that i play, the sound skips...i am using Alsa, and artsd is disabled...please help
03:47.07Josei'd bet that Microsoft.com is hosted by a Debian box
03:47.20dondelelcaroTCW: you'll always be able to reach the other link if you have sshd running on both links... it just means that the packets will return via the default gateway instead
03:47.23nvzI dont know about that.
03:47.43Kupal[]_Jose, no they upgraded to 2003, unix isn't expected till longhorn will be out, till then they have been reseting thier servers every three months or so.
03:47.46Kupal[]_Amazing.
03:47.46jordo23m0rbid: what's the default path to the smb.conf file?
03:47.56dondelelcaro(or rather, the other IP)
03:48.01TCWdondelelcaro, I know (I think *g*) but that does not explain why he *needs* lartc
03:48.15nvzKupal[]_: their uptime counters last more than 48 hours now?
03:48.22SmurgLonghorn -- lol...man they try too hard
03:48.26Joselonghorn was due out end of 2004 .. guess it didn't make it in time
03:48.30m0rbidjordo23: /etc/samba, if your asking for the configurator, leave it default.
03:48.36nvzJose: haha
03:48.39dondelelcaroTCW: he doesn't need it per-se. It's just the only sane way to have the thing set up.
03:48.51Kupal[]_yeah, i saw a m$ brag paper how they are seeing amazing uptime figures now "like 3mo's and MORE!"
03:48.53Kupal[]_amazing.
03:48.53jordo23I reinstalled samba, and the old config file I made is still there.
03:49.00nvzJose: unless by they you mean people bent over with money out
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03:49.15Joseseriously .. my database instructor attended a MS conferance down in FL past summer and they said longhorn was s'posed to be out by end of 2004
03:49.24Kupal[]_yep
03:49.32Kupal[]_lonhorn FAILED to install at M$
03:49.33nvzmicrosoft puts a new box on wintendo everytime they see people lined up assuming the position
03:49.46TCWdondelelcaro, sure, lartc can be very handy... but complex if one would just want to do what Snadder actually wants to do
03:50.15dondelelcaroTCW: it's actually fairly simple
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03:50.19Josenow .. can anyone please help me with a simple NetBeans related question ??
03:50.29nvzbent over and tell bill give it to you again, and pay him his dues, and loghorn will release :)
03:50.32Smurgwell Ms actually making losers of themselves by putting a price on things
03:50.45dondelelcarosince the cookbook in 4.2.{1,2} is almost exactly what is being done.
03:50.53Kupal[]_makes you wonder how you can download longhorn on the net, but its not realized yet.
03:50.59TCWdondelelcaro, is it? never played around with it :) but... is his actual problem solved with lartc?
03:51.13dondelelcaroTCW: yes, it's solved with 4.2.1
03:51.17Josegreat .. no one knows anything bout NetBeans
03:51.17Kupal[]_and what do longhorn enthusiasts truly care about: "WOW THE THEMES"
03:51.37m0rbidlonghorn enthusiasts?? Do they really exist???!!!
03:51.38Josedid somebody say Texas Tech ??
03:51.42m0rbiduughh
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03:51.59Smurglol check this out : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;247804
03:52.04Eagle101help. In kde, any sound file that i play, the sound skips...i am using Alsa, and artsd is disabled...please help
03:52.11Kupal[]_#windows in dalnet three 4 years ago maybe 2, i got kicked out of that channel. they couldn't troubleshoot shit.
03:52.18SmurgMs's answer to the linux competition
03:52.31ThaigerCan anyone help me configure grub?
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03:52.37smjkfogel_, decklin, nvz, dondelelcaro:  Cool, until I can get something more powerful set up I've got a script written to generate WEP keys.  Thanks for the answers to the questions!
03:52.39dondelelcaroyeesh... who cares about windows? This is #debian... MS can go play its games elsewhere
03:52.43m0rbidMS's answer to the linux competition is SCO.
03:52.43nvzSmurg: no thats http://www.mslinux.org
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03:52.47Josethat's the 3rd revision i believe .. they've had it since ... oh god .. red hat 5?? lol
03:53.05TCWdondelelcaro, so with lartc good old fashioned routing is obsolete?
03:53.07m0rbidbbiab, kid need to go to bed...
03:53.36SmurgHail Linux
03:53.36dondelelcaroTCW: it's just advanced routing... if you're doing anything more complex than having a default gateway, it becomes very useful
03:53.48ThaigerMy linux partition is hdb2, root (hd0,1) kernel /vmlinuz, but grub keeps telling me invalid partition type
03:53.57dondelelcaro(not that you shouldn't just use ip anyway)
03:54.14Kupal[]_I wander what M$ will do when "David" becomes viable.. now thier is a scary as all hell thought.
03:54.53Josecan anyone help me with a Simple shell script ?? lol .. plz
03:55.01Kupal[]_jose goto #bash
03:55.03nvzJose: ask?
03:55.07Josekewl
03:55.12Kupal[]_they will make you turn it into something complecated.
03:55.21Kupal[]_jose never ask to ask either.
03:55.22TCWdondelelcaro, it is what it claims to be... "advanced routing" funny :p
03:55.39Josek .. NetBeans 3.6 executable script is located at /usr/local/NetBeans3.6/bin/runide.sh
03:55.52Kupal[]_just berate ppl, i.e. why can't X = z on this bash script, what are you stupid help me.. that usually works..
03:56.09Josenow how do i put that into a shell script so i can like .. double click on my desktop .. something liek that /?
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03:56.16Kupal[]_or ask someone with the name gnome why your kde won't work if you need help with gnome, thier is a whole way of asking.
03:56.23SnadderTCW, I dont want to patch my kernel for this.
03:56.27sheVelol
03:56.36TCWSnadder, complain to dondelelcaro :)
03:56.47Josehuh ...
03:56.52nvzJose: umm, it is a shell script? you just put an icon to it on your desktop
03:57.00ThaigerIs (hd0,1) right for hdb2 in GRUB?
03:57.10Joseright .. like .. copy n paste to the desktop ?
03:57.15Joseis that it ?
03:57.36Snadderdondelelcaro, if this box was home, I whould patch it. but its not, and I dont want to take a chance on compiling a new kernel and try it out remote
03:57.37Kupal[]_Thaiger: go lilo save your brain a cell or two.
03:57.41nvzheh
03:58.00JoseGRUB RULES !!!   then again .. never played with LILO before ..
03:58.02Snadderdondelelcaro, sure it dosnt exist any way of just reaching this box?
03:58.03nvzI dont know how to use grub either, thats why I've been ignoring it
03:58.12Snadderdondelelcaro, from both interfaces?
03:58.17JoseGRUB de BEST, dudes
03:58.27ThaigerKupal[]_, I had lilo, but I had a hard time adding an entry after I compiled a kernel, but right now I'm booted from a liveCD how would I install lilo?
03:58.29TCWSnadder, reaching this box ot this specific interface of the box?
03:58.36TCWs/ot/or/
03:58.42Joseat least GRUB is not effected with that stupid MBR 1024 limit
03:58.45starfishhey scot the bands gonna work on doing the song fuck the police
03:58.46nvzlilo is freakin easier for people who have used it for 10 years and are used to its configuration
03:58.54Kupal[]_Thaiger: mount your root drive, then chroot it, run lilo.
03:58.58nvzJose: get a clue :P
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03:59.14Josei meant it in a ... stupid way
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03:59.15ThaigerKupal[]_, I don't have lilo installed on the root drive though
03:59.22nvzstarfish: oh boy.
03:59.36TCWJose, why would anyone need a bootloader which is located beyond the first 1024 cylinders?
03:59.49SnadderTCW, I want to be able to reach both interfaces, so I can get better speeds/stability
03:59.51Kupal[]_Thaiger: then apt-get it after you chroot it.
03:59.55starfishjames can make that song sound hardcore
04:00.00Kupal[]_just chroot over to root
04:00.06Kupal[]_look at your fstab
04:00.06Josei dont know .. beat the crap outta me
04:00.08TCWSnadder, huh?!
04:00.23Kupal[]_mount all the stuff you need. prentend like you never used that damned cd.
04:00.41TCWSnadder, a few moments ago you said you don't need / want "better performance"!
04:00.56nvz!yinzersmite Jose
04:00.58ThaigerKupal[]_, Thanks
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04:01.25SnuSis there any sendmail log parser that shows to what addresses all the users have sent mail to ?
04:01.32SnadderTCW, well.. its like.. when I connect on the first interface.. I want to use only this one
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04:01.44nvzdpkg CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/for/fer/
04:01.45dpkgnvz: OK
04:01.48nvz:)
04:01.49SnadderTCW, but when I connect to the other one.. I want to use only that one
04:01.58nvzdpkg CMD: yinzersmite (.*?) =~ s/for/fer/g
04:01.59dpkgthat doesn't contain 'for', nvz
04:02.03nvzcool
04:02.11nvzwasnt sure
04:02.11SnadderTCW, if I connect to both at the same time, I will use both connections, means double speed
04:02.20nvzshould have done the g to begin with
04:02.40TCWSnadder, in your setup (without special advanced routing stuff like lartc) ALL answers to the internet go through the default route... got that? Now think again what you want and what you need therefore
04:02.42SnadderTCW, aint that kinda straight forward?
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04:03.22TCWSnadder, how straight forward is that? :)
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04:03.33SnadderTCW, even answers back trough the already created connection?
04:03.41starfishscot have you ever heard of pro tools 6 its supposed to be the big thing in pc studios now
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04:04.21SnadderTCW, oke.. I get it.. I prolly want lartc. but if its easy to just the up theese two interfaces.. I want to do that first
04:04.34Snadderget up*
04:04.34nvzstarfish: I don't know if you noticed, but I have been carrying around this Debian GNU/Linux soapbox for like 4 years now... so no..
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04:05.02TCWSnadder, you have exactly ONE route to ONE gateway which serve the default > the connections to the internet. It does not matter on what interface the connection was started, you have ONE default route... ok?
04:05.21bjenkinswhat's the package name for midnight commander?
04:05.29SnadderTCW, yep
04:05.31TCWbjenkins, mc
04:05.32orfeubjenkins : mc
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04:05.44bjenkinsso it'd be apt-get install mc?
04:05.49orfeubjenkins yes
04:05.50TCWbjenkins, man apt-cache
04:05.58bjenkinstcw, thanks
04:06.02bjenkinsyou too orfeu
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04:06.16ThaigerOnce I apt-get lilo how do I get it to run?
04:06.16SnadderTCW, but its alot easier with another ip on the same subnet
04:06.19TCWbjenkins, forget what I said... start reading a debian specific book :)
04:06.27orfeu:)
04:06.43TCWThaiger, man lilo is a really good starting point
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04:07.18TCWSnadder, sure... because there is no routing
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04:07.34Kupal[]_I have found my "DREAM".
04:08.07orfeuTCW i make some rulez with iptables ! how i can test it !? ( i block all - lo and --dport 80 )
04:08.57TCWorfeu, I am sure you don't mind me ignoring that question
04:09.07orfeuoky
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04:11.21SnadderTCW & dondelelcaro thanks alot for the help!!
04:11.42TCWSnadder, thanks for confusing :)
04:11.54nvzheh
04:11.58Snadderhehe:P
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04:12.23nvzwelcome
04:12.30nvzand not so..
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04:16.22sgeigerbotWhich type of system usese /shm ?
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04:17.03Kupal[]_shm is a f.s. so any applies
04:17.24nvzKupal[]_: he's a knoppix fanboy, he doesnt know any better :P
04:17.53sgeigerbotnvz: <sgeigerbot> ~+shmfs is shared memory filesystem  The standard mountpoint for the shmfs is /var/shm.
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04:18.00sgeigerbot~+shmfs
04:18.02aptit has been said that shmfs is shared memory filesystem  The standard mountpoint for the shmfs is /var/shm.
04:18.28sgeigerbotnvz: So, if the standard mount point is /var/shm ...it could be confusing for someone if it is at /shm.
04:18.33sgeigerbotthanks for the info.
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04:19.24sgeigerbotnvz: It's kind of funny when you accuse someone of being clueless when that person is the factoid producer.  Kind of a reflection upon yourself, don't you think?  :-)
04:19.28tchinooh, i can't remove resize my programm windows under kde, what is wrong
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04:19.39project9i am try to open a .php file but when i click on file it open another windows and ask to select a user when i click on user it says user in use so i create another user and i try to open a file it ask for select a brower i give pah of firefox but same error /user in use
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04:20.06nvzsgeigerbot: what are you rambling on about? :)
04:20.37chealerproject9: you don't want to use a text editor to open your PHP file :?
04:20.42sgeigerbotnvz: your trolling
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04:21.28sgeigerbotnvz: I got a look at ubuntu.  Nice looking.  Maybe it is even more free than knoppix.  Not sure.
04:22.06chealertchino: #debian-kde or #kde
04:22.31project9chealer: i am opening a php file as a web page i am not doing editing
04:22.33Azarwhich program uses the "feh" command?
04:22.54Azarimage magic?
04:23.13nvzsgeigerbot: trolling? who me trolling you? what else is new :)
04:24.22chealerAzar: it's installed on your system?
04:24.51sgeigerbotnvz: if the shoe fits...
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04:25.33chealerproject9: you're opening a php file as a web page but you need to click on it? are you following hyperlinks or you have file listings? from where do you open, a file manager or a browser?
04:26.14Azarchealer I am trying to install it
04:26.27chealerAzar: check packages.d.o
04:26.28AzarI need it to set up my desktop image from Myst
04:26.44ThaigerOK, so I'm booted from a livecd because I can't configure grub right to boot up debian, so I mounted then chrooted to my root partition and installed lilo, but I can't activate it since the new /dev isn't there, any advice?
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04:27.25Azarhmmm
04:27.31Azarcheck packages.d.o ?
04:27.43Thaiger?
04:27.52chealerAzar: http://packages.debian.org at the bottom
04:28.01Azaroh oh thanks
04:28.18project9chealer: i am trying to open a file from brower (in browser /where we put site name == /root/wordpress under this listing i am trying to open a file )
04:29.09chealerproject9: ish, I find your syntax hard but anyway, your browser is konqueror right?
04:29.16usr010Eyerie
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04:29.21project9firefox
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04:29.55chealerproject9: so you're opening a php file in firefox and it asks you to start another firefox instance?
04:30.05usr010swatakis? did i catch that right? any1 else?
04:30.07project9yes
04:30.26Azarchealer thanks, I owe you some cool images from Riven/Myst
04:30.29Azar:)
04:30.32usr010wow THE! Project 9?
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04:30.52chealerAzar: np. nice trick to learn, isn't it? :)
04:31.15chealerproject9: and you get that for any php file you try to open (at php.net for example)?
04:31.21usr010wht trik
04:31.27Azaryes indeed I had no idea about that page
04:31.41project9and if i open it with another instance it say user in use so i create a another user it ask for browser location after giving browser location same thing happen
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04:32.06chealerusr010: I was referring to the possibility of finding what package provides a certain file from packages.debian.org
04:32.06project9yes i am able to open other php file
04:32.20bjenkinsok, i want to install libqt so i can "make xconfig", but when i proposed to install libqt3, it said i needed libqt3-mt first, and when i went to install that, apt-get wanted to remove about fifty kde apps
04:32.26usr010oh like a pkg id?
04:32.29ThaigerThe first time I installed grub a while ago, debian configured it for me, or atleast I got menus, and after that i configured it using the menu.lst file, but I'm having issues with that now, so how do I get the menus and such?
04:32.34chealerusr010: a pacakge name, even
04:32.45pentium451Can anyone tell me where can I read up on getting my cdburner to read/write...   I've got deb/testing with 2.6.8 and no relevant entries in /dev!
04:32.52chealerusr010: try looking for /etc/papersize yourself
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04:33.33usr010whats the cmd for irc name autocomplete? xchat? universal? i don kno
04:33.54Thaigeruser010: tab in xchat
04:34.28pentium451usr010: tab in ERC
04:36.34chealerproject9: I don't know for others, but I think I can't help you if you don't reexplain your problem coherently and with some detail. sorry
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04:36.52project9ok
04:36.58project9thanks
04:37.16chealerproject9: however check Firefox preferences, downloads, file types and remove php if it's there
04:37.30project9ok
04:37.32chealerif you shouldn't have done it you can add it easily after
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04:38.45pentium451Can anyone tell me where can I read up on getting my cdburner to
04:38.46pentium451<PROTECTED>
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04:39.28nvzpentium451: what kind of burner?
04:39.47pentium451nvz: um, dvd-ram
04:40.13pentium451works under knoppix
04:40.46usr010so is debian bsd kern or linux kernel or are they the same?
04:41.10nvzusr010: debian is not a kernel or a kern
04:41.20nvzusr010: it runs on both though
04:41.34nvzpentium451: I mean how is it hooked into the PC
04:41.51Azarroll them towars me nvz, I don't mind
04:42.02pentium451nvz: It's a laptop
04:42.13mwilsonnvz: Wtf is "relevant entries in /dev" supposed to mean?
04:42.23nvzmwilson: seriously
04:42.31nvzthats what I am trying to figure out
04:42.37usr010i have amor running with the neko cat... heh itz funny
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04:42.44sgeigerbot!confuse nvz
04:42.45dpkgYes, them are their badger yesterday, nvz? wellies of the dictatorship of mongolia with extra herring
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04:42.55pentium451mwilson: I have no /dev/cdrom, no /dev/scd0, no /dev/sg0
04:43.12mwilsonpentium451: Is there some reason you would have any of those?
04:43.26usr010alright what did you @#$@#4 with?
04:43.39Azarsometimes the cdrom is listed as /dev/hdc
04:43.44Azarwhy, I never figured out
04:43.49Azarbut it works
04:43.51Azar:)
04:44.07mwilsonAzar: Gee, didja think that might be because that's where it's connected?
04:44.12pentium451mwilson: cuz most of the tools are trying to open something like that
04:44.13mwilsonAzar: Nah.
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04:44.38Azarmwilson, I can imagine I never figured out how to properly set it
04:44.50mwilsonAzar: How to set what?
04:44.53pentium451mwilson: Is there some reason I would not need any of those?
04:45.03Azarahhh now I realized what you said
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04:45.27usr010wich nvidia driver should i get from there site? unless i decide to compile myself
04:45.29mwilsonnvz: He's all yours.
04:45.30kfogel_On Debian GNU/Linux, we're trying to do Chinese input (traditional/taiwanese) in OpenOffice 1.1.2.  There is a bewildering array of input methods and such available, but which one is The Right One?  How do we join the cool kids and have it Just Work?
04:46.01usr010heh
04:46.03kfogel_This is Debian testing (Sarge).
04:46.12peterSpentium451: you said kernel 2.6.8?
04:46.20pentium451peterS: ya
04:46.35usr010u saying less keys than characterz?
04:46.55usr010im w/Sarge 2!
04:46.58dracpentium451: cat /var/log/messages | grep CD might give you some insight.
04:47.00pentium451nvz: I found it...  hdc: MATSHITADVD-RAM UJ-811, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
04:47.00nvzmwilson: I got my earpeace in and I am pacing back and forth talking on the phone
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04:47.03peterSpentium451: make sure the 'ide-cd' kernel module is loaded.  (it probably is.)  then you can figure out where your device is with 'grep cdrom /proc/ide/hd?/driver'
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04:47.09nvzpentium451: yee-haw :)
04:47.19nvzpentium451: peterS the wonderdog to the rescue
04:47.20usr010hurayy pentium
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04:48.02usr010signed off :(
04:48.04peterSpentium451: ok so it's /dev/hdc.  if you'd like, you can do 'ln -s hdc /dev/cdrom' and then it will also be /dev/cdrom.  you may also wish to 'chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc' so that users in the group 'cdrom' can access the device
04:48.21usr010\ln thats a link isnt it!
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04:48.48usr010im we tall did
04:48.50pentium451ls: /dev/hdc: No such file or directory
04:49.02chealer!tell usr010 about nvidia
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04:49.10toymachineyo anyone else having trouble compiling the nvidia driver with a custom kernel
04:49.22peterSpentium451: oh, fun.  is the 'ide-cd' kernel module loaded?  I'm wondering if you've got udev and it's refusing to create the device until you do
04:49.23sussudiotoymachine: #nvidia
04:49.24dracpentium451: this is just my opinion, but apt-get install udev and reboot.
04:50.18AtomonThis is my first time installing/using linux. I installed sarge and X won't start. The error message is "Fatal server error: no screens found". can someone help me?
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04:52.33Atomonnobody can help a poor noob out?
04:52.42pentium451peterS: lsmod doesn't show it, so I modprobed ide-cd, no change
04:53.01Atomoni think it might have something to do with my video card, but i'm not sure. my vid card is a GeForce 6800 OC
04:53.04peterSpentium451: I wonder why you don't have /dev/hdc.  are you running with devfs enabled, do you know?  does /dev/.devfsd exist?
04:53.20dondelelcaro!no screens found
04:53.20pentium451nope
04:53.48peterSpentium451: well, it's easy enough to create.  'cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdc; chgrp cdrom hdc; ln -s hdc cdrom'
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04:53.58dondelelcaro!no screens found is <reply> see screens found
04:53.58dpkgokay, dondelelcaro
04:54.01dondelelcaro!no screens found
04:54.04peterSpentium451: but I still wonder why it wasn't already there
04:54.06dondelelcarobah.
04:54.20Atomonhuh?
04:54.28peterS!no no screens found is <reply>see screens found
04:54.28dpkgokay, peterS
04:54.35peterS!no screens found
04:54.43chealer:)
04:54.49peterShrrm.  it still misparses
04:54.58dondelelcaro!no screens found
04:54.58dpkgrumour has it, screens found is NOT a useful message - it means XFree86 has a problem SOMEWHERE with SOMETHING. Read your /var/log/XFree86.0.log more closely, and look for the REAL error, which probably begins with (EE)
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04:55.18Atomonty
04:55.25tchinowhat is with the server http://ftp.de.debian.org, i can't reach that
04:55.27pentium451peterS: cd /dev; MAKEDEV hdc; ls hdc; - no such file or directory (WTF!?!)
04:55.35toymachinesweet i finally have my nvidia drivers working
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04:55.48peterSpentium451: you're *sure* you aren't running with devfs mounted?
04:55.55pentium451no, how to tell
04:56.03peterSpentium451: grep devfs /proc/mounts
04:56.06pentium451ls /dev/.de*; - nothing
04:56.10Atomonokay, the only thing with EE next to it is "(EE) No devices detected"
04:56.22mwilsonpeterS: More likely udev, after all.
04:56.34peterSmwilson: something like that.  udev is alchemy I have not yet touched
04:56.40dondelelcaroAtomon: ok, there you go... so most likely the driver you selected doesn't actually support your card.
04:56.51mwilsonpeterS: udev generally causes more profound breakages.
04:56.59peterSI don't doubt it
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04:57.13dondelelcaroAtomon: most likely the nv driver is the proper one.
04:57.15tchinowhat is with the server http://ftp.de.debian.org, i can't reach that
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04:57.22Atomondondeelcaro: how do i get my card recognised? i'm using nv drivers right now
04:57.29pentium451peterS: no devfs in /proc/mounts
04:57.44Eagle101help. Sound skips in kde...in gnome everything is fine...i use alsa..?
04:57.48peterSpentium451: mwilson is probably right - you've got udev installed and running and it's gumming up the whole works somehow
04:57.49mwilsonpeterS: At least you knew devfs was going to be stupid going in... udev installs and procedes to fsck things up.
04:58.12mwilsonpeterS: But it does it silently so all you know is things stop working.
04:59.14Atomondondeelcaro: I don't really know what i'm doing, but i read somewhere that for this card i need nVidia drivers rather than nv. is there a difference between the two? if there is, how do i get nVidia from the command-line?
04:59.22dondelelcaroAtomon: yes, there are...
04:59.29dondelelcaro!nvidia
04:59.29dpkgmethinks nvidia is To learn how to install nvidia drivers on your Debian system see 'nvidia-howto' or maybe 'nvidia debs', or possibly 'nvidia one-liner'. That should explain all you need to know.  http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html  .  "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..."  - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists
04:59.31peterSpentium451: do you have a /.dev/ directory?
04:59.37pentium451peterS: dpkg -l udev; yup..  its 'ii'
04:59.53pentium451can I just remove it?
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05:00.03Atomon!nvidia-howto
05:00.03dpkgmethinks nvidia-howto is See http://www.tinyplanet.ca/~lsorense/debian/debian-nvidia-dri-howto.txt for simple instructions for installing the nVidia DRI drivers on Debian "The Debian Way". at http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html or http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/index.html
05:00.08dondelelcaroAtomon: in other words, /msg dpkg nvidia-howto; /msg dpkg nvidia debs; etc.
05:00.11peterSpentium451: probably.  but check on this first.  see if it created a /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 or similar when you put in the ide-cd module
05:00.35mwilsonpeterS: That'd be discover fscking up.
05:00.56pentium451modprobe ide-cd; still no /dev/cd*
05:01.02peterSmwilson: indeed, discover should have force-fed him the ide-cd module already
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05:01.54Atomondondeelcaro: thank you very much
05:02.11deepfrzemy USB mouse is stealing my joystick device, anyone know what I must do to prevent that??? I am using a digital joystick and use MAKEDEV /dev/input/js to create the joystick devices. However when I execute cat /dev/input/djs0 I only see input when I use my mouse.
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05:03.27deepfrzeI have checked the drivers and they all seem to be installed. Do I need to remove joydev.ko?
05:04.16kfogel_On Debian GNU/Linux, we're trying to do Chinese input (traditional/taiwanese) in OpenOffice 1.1.2.  There is a bewildering array of input methods and such available, but which one is The Right One?  How do we join the cool kids and have it Just Work?
05:04.21kfogel_This is Debian testing (Sarge).
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05:09.10HeavenWarriorgood morning
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05:10.50RomanIs there a way to Jail users to their own /home/userdir in ssh ?
05:11.02valdyn_kfogel_: have you seen http://sps.nus.edu.sg/~huyihuyi/debian-chinese.html? Doesn't cover OO specificually though
05:11.36Eagle101help. Sound skips in kde...in gnome everything is fine...i use alsa..?
05:12.00nvzEagle101: its probably an artsd problem then
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05:12.59usr010would it be wise to execute nvidias diver.run ?  o have 2.6 kern Geforce fx 5200
05:13.03Eagle101nvz: i maked sure that i completely turned off artsd...
05:13.12Strifeso I was running apt-get upgrade the other day, and there were problems finishing it... now after running some programs, my entire machine hangs. If I try to run apt-get upgrade again, I get a segfault and the system hangs. Any ideas about what I can do?
05:13.20valdyn_usr010: no, /msg dpkg nvidia
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05:15.13cl8nerhow to log all internet address from my user(Winxp)..?
05:15.35sussudiocl8ner: go away
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05:15.58pentium451peterS: udev is gone; MAKEDEV hdc && MAKEDEV sg; worked now (THANKS!) ln -s to cdrom  but workbone/cdctrl/whatelse? can't open /dev/cdrom
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05:16.08smjHi folks.  I should be able to do an md5sum /dev/cdrom to get the md5sum of the ISO image I just burned, correct?
05:16.18peterSpentium451: chgrp cdrom /dev/hdc
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05:16.20Atomoni'm following the directions to install nVidia drivers, and whenever i do 'apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-kernel-common' i get the following error: 'Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate'
05:16.36peterSpentium451: you don't need /dev/sg0 or anything.  tell cdrecord to just use /dev/cdrom
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05:16.53Strifehow can I fix apt if it keeps segfaulting when I try to apt-get upgrade everything?
05:16.57valdyn_Atomon: its not in sarge probably, get it from sid
05:17.05cl8nersussudio: What i do wrong.. it for administrative purpose/report/start etc etc.. i dont bloak the address..
05:17.08kfogel_valdyn_: thanks!
05:17.22dondelelcaroStrife: wait, the system hangs?
05:17.22Atomonvaldyn_: you have to forgive me, i'm a total noob. this is my first time with linux. what did you mean by that?
05:17.23sussudiocl8ner: 1) you're not running debian 2) logging your users is antisocial
05:17.29Strifedondelelcaro: yes
05:17.30dondelelcaroStrife: or does apt-get segfault?
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05:17.36Strifedondelelcaro: both
05:17.43valdyn_Atomon: which debian release are you using?
05:17.43kfogel_valdyn_: yep, have been to that page many times, but thanks anyway
05:17.43Strifedondelelcaro: first apt-get segfaults, then the system hangs
05:17.52dondelelcaroStrife: and by hang you mean... you can't ping the box at all?
05:17.55Atomonvaldyn_: sarge
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05:18.04pentium451peterS: cdrecord: No such device or address. Cannot open '/dev/cdrom'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
05:18.17Strifedondelelcaro: I'm not sure if it can be pinged, I don't have another computer to try it from
05:18.26peterSpentium451: /dev/cdrom is a symlink to /dev/hdc?  the ide-cd module is still loaded?
05:18.31Strifebut it definitely does not accept local input
05:18.32dondelelcaroStrife: does the numlock twiddle when this "hang" happens?
05:18.37pentium451peterS: yup
05:18.43peterSpentium451: also, is the ide-scsi module loaded?  it should *not* be
05:18.48valdyn_Atomon: get the missing nvidia packages from http://packages.debian.org
05:19.01Strifedondelelcaro: I don't think so, but I wasn't looking too closely
05:19.15Atomonvaldyn_: how? i don't know how to do this from the command line. i can't start x without these drivers
05:19.16dondelelcaroStrife: no, I mean, can you press the numlock key and switch it's state?
05:19.28chealervaldyn_: why don't you propose him AptPinning?
05:19.31Strifedondelelcaro: I don't think so
05:19.35pentium451peterS: lsmod | grep scsi; "scsi_mod"
05:19.45valdyn_chealer: cant pin what he doesnt have
05:19.47Strifedondelelcaro: I wasn't paying attention to it, so I don't remember if it did or not
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05:19.55peterSpentium451: ok then.  what does 'cat /proc/ide/hdc/driver' say?  should say ide-cdrom version whatever
05:20.08chealervaldyn_: well extend sources.list too?
05:20.10valdyn_valdyn_: explain him though, i dont know it step by step
05:20.22valdyn_chealer: explain him though, i dont know it step by step
05:20.30pentium451peterS: ide-default version 0.9.newide
05:20.37cl8nersussudio: currently i'm not runnnig debian. 2) I have the right to log the address from my user for a lot of reason.. BTW thank.. debian users like you not friendly anymore..
05:20.45usr010--
05:20.45peterSpentium451: ide-default means nothing has claimed the device.  you *do* have the 'ide-cd' kernel module loaded?
05:21.03HeavenWarriordebhelper, can u help me
05:21.06chealer!tell Atomon about quick sid/sarge mix
05:21.14pentium451sg                     40288  0
05:21.14pentium451ide_cd                 43232  0
05:21.14pentium451cdrom                  41148  1 ide_cd
05:21.15dondelelcaroStrife: well, that would tell you if it actually hung. Anyway, the segfault is annoying, but if the system hung, then you've got more serious problems. That indicates that you've got a kernel bug and/or a hardware problem
05:21.22valdyn_Atomon: lynx is one text mode webbrowser, or do what chealer suggests, that works too
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05:21.36peterSpentium451: well, hmmm.  try unloading and reloading 'ide_cd'
05:21.39pentium451I think the modprobe pulled all that
05:21.39Strifedondelelcaro: one interesting note, however... everything *seems* to be working if I use a 2.4 kernel, however the only problem there is that I can't get my wlan interface up, which is unfortunately all I have, so I can't actually upgrade any buggy drivers or whatnot
05:22.03Strifedondelelcaro: so since things worked before I tried to upgrade, what would be your suggestion?
05:22.13dondelelcaroStrife: does it work now if you use 2.4?
05:22.24usr010rofl drawn 2gether is on
05:22.27Strifeit *seems* to
05:22.36pentium451peterS: same /proc/ide/hdc/driver    reboot time?
05:22.45deadcatusr010: ya. adam corola is one sick mother fucker (=
05:22.53chealerAtomon: you should be able to start X using nv for the moment anyway, as dondelelcaro said
05:22.54Strifethough I would like to stress that I have not changed the kernel in any way since I tried to apt-get upgrade last time
05:23.11dondelelcarochealer: yeah, but I'm not sure that nv supports that card...
05:23.18peterSpentium451: hmm.  make sure 'ide_generic' is loaded as well.  I know that sounds funny
05:23.35usr010hes' so cool
05:23.37kfogel_When I start up 'uim-im-switcher', its window comes up, but the area where one would choose an input method name / language / etc is totally empty.  It's like the software is installed, but it's missing some data files for Chinese input etc.  I thought I installed all the necessary pacakges.  Does this symptom sound familiar to anyone?  (Debian testing [sarge])
05:23.39chealerdondelelcaro: sorry...you know better than me for sure :)
05:23.51pentium451peterS: ide_generic is in, but use count is 0
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05:24.03dondelelcarochealer: probably not, actually... since I don't use nvidia cards at all.
05:24.18peterSpentium451: right.  just making sure.  I have no idea what to think.  you can *try* rebooting.  I am not confident that it'll help, but it could
05:24.34pentium451peterS: at this point, many changes were made...
05:24.40peterSpentium451: (particularly if you've had other modules in there that you've since removed, like ide_scsi)
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05:24.47chealerdondelelcaro: maybe I confuse you with directhex...he's the real nvidia master
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05:24.55dracDebian is taking over Scandinavia, http://www.yle.fi/saakartat/nyt.jpg ;-)
05:25.05smjOooo-kay...  Every time I type md5sum /dev/cdrom I get back an md5sum instantly.  The DVD writer light doesn't even blink.  Now, here's where it gets really interesting.  I get the SAME MD5SUM EVERYTIME, no matter what disk I put in.  Any ideas?
05:25.25pentium451peterS: ok, thanks so far...  I'll be back!
05:25.34ardydoes anyone here know how to use apt-build world?
05:25.35tchinowhen i want to edit png-files with gimp, it says that gimp_image_set_colormap is ot found
05:25.37Strifeso should I recompile my kernel? I don't think that that is going to help since there haven't been any modifications... what else can I do so that I can actually use apt again?
05:25.46dondelelcarosmj: is /dev/cdrom actually linked to anything?
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05:26.07smjdondelelcaro: Yip, /dev/hdc.  The same happens when I use /dev/hdc as well.
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05:26.28dondelelcarosmj: hrm... and is it different from say, cat /dev/hdc |md5sum -; ?
05:26.29smjdondelelcaro: This DVD writer just arrived.  I bought it from newegg because the old one started flaking out.
05:26.35dondelelcaroor better, md5sum - < /dev/hdc
05:26.59sussudiocl8ner: this is #debian and you know it. so off you go.
05:27.16jaycould anyone help me fix my mouse?
05:27.30smjdondelelcaro: The last doesn't appreciate the hyphen, but all return the same result, yes.
05:27.32dracjay, what kind of mouse? what's the problem?
05:27.40smjdondelelcaro: I don't think it's even trying to get to the drive.
05:27.50dondelelcarosmj: hrm... that's really freaky...
05:27.55jayits a logitech, two button mouse, it no longer wants to work in linux
05:27.58smjdondelelcaro: What's funny is that I can read discs just fine.  Burning them produces some really nice coasters though.
05:28.15peterSjay: "no longer wants to work" - details please
05:28.16dondelelcarosmj: do you get the same md5sum when you md5sum /dev/null; ?
05:28.17AtomonChealer: i'm trying follow the quick sid/sarge mix instructions but i'm having trouble. i've duplicated the entries in sources.list but how do i change them from sarge to sid?
05:28.29dondelelcarod41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e  /dev/null FE
05:28.35peterSjay: kernel 2.2, 2.4 or 2.6?  is the mouse plugged into a PS/2 port or a USB port?  was it always plugged into that same port?
05:28.45chealerAtomon: in your entry there should appear testing or sarge string. change it to unstable or sid
05:29.13smjdondelelcaro: That's a funny idea.  Nope.  /dev/null has a different md5sum
05:29.13Atomonchealer: so in all of the duplicates replace 'testing' with 'sid'?
05:29.16jaykernal 2.6, PS/2, USB mouse using adapter, I didn't change any settings at all...it just doesn't work anymore
05:29.19chealerAtomon: yes
05:29.35peterSjay: ok, with kernel 2.6, load two kernel modules.  'mousedev' and 'psmouse'.
05:29.36Atomonchealer: ty
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05:29.38dondelelcarosmj: hrm... and less /dev/hdc; gives  you something else?
05:29.42Strifeso does anybody have any idea what the problem is with apt segfaulting and why my system is all of a sudden hanging?
05:29.51Strifeor at the very least what I could do about it?
05:30.05Strifelike is there some way to revert to previous settings or something like that?
05:30.17dondelelcaroStrife: try reinstalling your kernel... then see if it still happens.
05:30.17chealerAtomon: it's a pleasure. if you want to know basic stuff about debian releases, get a quick look at d.o/releases
05:30.23Strifeok I'll give it a shot
05:30.24Strifethanks
05:30.24cl8nersussudio: May you are not a father to a daughter/son that try to prevent from all those violent contect internet.. And your right this is #debian. debian is *OPEN*
05:31.04jayAwesome, that worked!
05:31.05usr010net split ieye ieye im still here
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05:31.08jordo23what's the stop command for samba?
05:31.08smjdondelelcaro: I get the binary gibberish I expect, but the drive light never comes on.  It's like the system's not even trying to access the drive.
05:31.09dondelelcaroStrife: the fact that it suddenly started happening though may indicate that you've got some sort of hardware issues...
05:31.19dondelelcarosmj: hrm... wierd.
05:31.29Strifedondelelcaro: how would one diagnose such problems?
05:31.41jayhow would I add those commands to my startup?
05:31.41smjdondelelcaro: cat /dev/hdc | wc -l produces 0
05:31.50dondelelcarosmj: well, that's probably normal...
05:31.58jordo23Anyone know the stop command for samba in debian?
05:32.01dracjay: /etc/modules
05:32.07dondelelcarosmj: be more interesting to see what wc -c; outputs
05:32.11jayalright, cool
05:32.24jaythanks alot for the help :D, now i can work on my cs assignment all night
05:32.27dondelelcarojordo23: /etc/init.d/samba stop;
05:32.34smjdondelelcaro: 2048
05:32.41smjdondelelcaro: And the drive just spun up
05:32.54dondelelcarosmj: meh? 2048 bytes?
05:33.02dondelelcarosmj: that's freaky
05:33.28dondelelcarosmj: this is a known good cdrom with something on it, right? not a coaster?
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05:33.51smjdondelelcaro: I do have a disk in there currently.  It's a pressed Linksys documentation CD.
05:33.58Strifeall right well pending further advice, I suppose I'll go try to reinstall my kernel....
05:33.58smjdondelelcaro: I can read CDs fine.
05:34.05smjdondelelcaro: Haven't tried any DVDs yet.
05:34.10dondelelcarosmj: you mean mount them, I assume...
05:34.18smjdondelelcaro: Yes, that is correct.
05:34.52smjdondelelcaro: Maybe the ATA controller is f**kered.
05:35.03dondelelcarosmj: dunno... is there anything interesting being output in dmesg? does dd if=/dev/hdc of=-|wc -c; do anything different?
05:36.02smjdondelelcaro: 2048 bytes transferred in 0.041984 seconds (48781 bytes/sec)
05:36.26dondelelcarosmj: hrm... that's really wierd.
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05:36.49smjdondelelcaro: Think it might be kernel related?  I'm kinda grasping at straws here.
05:36.57dondelelcarosmj: and mount|grep cdrom;; returns?
05:37.13dondelelcaro(assuming you've got the cd mounted, of course)
05:37.26smjdondelelcaro: I bought this DVD Writer because the old one stopped working properly one day.  Now I'm wondering if it works fine, but not with this machine.
05:37.43smjdondelelcaro: CD's not mounted
05:38.24dondelelcarosmj: yeah, I really don't know... I'd check out dmesg... cause it looks like you're only able to read 1-2 blocks for some reason
05:38.28smjdondelelcaro: Great, now it doesn't work at all.
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05:39.13smjdondelelcaro: I've got "bread failed" errors in dmesg after "attempt to access beyond end of device".
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05:39.27dondelelcarosmj: ah, ok.... it doesn't like the cdrom or cdrom drive or something
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05:39.42dondelelcarosmj: at least you're getting error messages though... so it's not totally screwed
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05:40.09smjdondelelcaro: I know this prolly isn't going to go over well, but I'm gonna reboot and make sure all of the kernel modules reload properly.  I was dicking with them earlier to see if there were any conflicts.
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05:40.13smjdondelelcaro: brb
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05:41.12sussudio!permasunday
05:41.12dpkgAll days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!
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05:44.02Azarsndconfig is not used anymore , right? what should I get for my sound?
05:44.36drac!tell azar about alsa
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05:44.49Azarthanks drac :)
05:44.55smjdondelelcaro: Ok, I'm back.  I love dtach.  I love having a server to run dtach irssi on.  :-)
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05:45.21usr010wow theres so mutch to phreakin read an remember
05:45.49smjdondelelcaro: I got several scsi errors and kernel error dumps upon booting.  After I removed the pressed CD from the drive and rebooted, it booted fine.  This is really bizarre.
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05:48.27pentahwo can i find out if i have my server hyperthread enabled?
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05:48.52m0rbidCan someone please tell me what this is? Feb  3 21:56:04 spaz kernel: Aieee - PCI error! status 0x008008, PCI status 0x8290
05:49.30smjdondelelcaro: I'm installing kernel-2.4.27-2-686 and rebooting to see if maybe things work better under a different kernel.  If so, I'm gonna install 2.6.10 from sid and see if that works.  If that all works well, then I'll file a bug report against 2.6.8.
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05:51.01dondelelcarosmj: hrm... interesting... yeah, I've never had that problem with 2.6.8... but then, I rarely boot with cds in the drive
05:52.05m0rbiddondelelcaro: Ive had that problem before, even with other OS's, its a BIOS Fault.
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05:53.41drp(<-- new to debian and unix in general)  Ok I'm trying to install a package that I downloaded using apt-get.  I added this line to my sources.list deb file:/home/cwerner/debian-packages unstable main but I get the error: Couldn't stat source package list file
05:53.43smjdondelelcaro: Thanks for the moral support.  I'm gonna attack this for a bit.  I'll letcha know if I find out anything.  If I do determine it to be the kernel, then I'll be a good little Debianite and use BTS.
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05:54.40m0rbidNow on to my question. I upgraded to Testing, my normal routine, and for some strabge reason, I got a PCI Error, which now wont let me load my soundcard. Heres the Kicker, ALSACONF sees the card, but errors out towards the end, not only that, doesnt show up in alsamixer(gui), and on top of that, ayttm can produce sounds! But just that program! Any ideas??
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05:55.37m0rbid/var/log/syslog shows: Aieee - PCI error! status 0x008008, PCI status 0x8290
05:55.39Phateddrp: When you download a .deb, you install it with dpkg -i.
05:55.53drpPhated, thanks
05:56.13PhatedOh, and go read the APT howto.
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05:59.40smjdondelelcaro: Ok, this is interesting, under kernel 2.4.27 I get "cat: /dev/hdc:  Input/output error" when I try to do "md5sum /dev/hdc"
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06:01.04Nurbssmj: tried booting to another kernel and doing the same again? soudns like a broken disk
06:01.11Nurbsor controller or cable
06:02.04dondelelcaroNurbs: yeah, this is kernel #2 or so
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06:02.39dondelelcarom0rbid: possibly broken hardware, or something else funky is going on... try asking on #kernel-newbies on irc.oftc.net
06:03.01ardydoes anyone know how to use apt-build world? I keep on getting the error Sorry, can't fint 'x', is it already installed?"
06:03.03dondelelcarom0rbid: rr... #kernelnewbies
06:03.15drpdoes anyone use azureus here
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06:03.19drpbt client
06:03.30dondelelcarodrp: probably better off using bittornado
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06:03.40drpyeah I have that now
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06:04.27smjNurbs: Replaced the cable.  This is the second DVD Writer I've tried.  The disc is a pressed Linksys documentation disk.
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06:04.53smjdondelelcaro: 2.6.10 seems to work fine
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06:05.25smjdondelelcaro: I'm gonna try burning something to see if that works.
06:05.28MichaelSaundersI want to run a jabber server for my office anyone got any ideas what I should use
06:05.45dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: AFAIK, there's only one jabber server.
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06:05.57PEACEYALLhey all
06:06.18MichaelSaundersdondelelcaro: Not what this page implies http://www.jabber.org/admin/jsc/
06:06.21smjMichaelSaunders: I don't know about the server, but Psi is a bitchin' client.
06:06.45PEACEYALLis there any package that lets me switch between my tv output and my lcd screen?
06:07.03MichaelSaundersdondelelcaro: is an apt package
06:07.06dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: ah...  it's changed recently then... well, there's only 3 of them in debian... the first three on that list.
06:07.21MichaelSaundersdondelelcaro: Which one would you run?
06:07.35dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: probably jabberd2-pgsql
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06:07.54dondelelcarolast time I ran it was in early development of jabberd (the first one)
06:08.24smjMichaelSaunders: We used to run Jabber at work, before the Navy got purchased by Microsoft.
06:08.35Shadur...
06:08.46chealerdondelelcaro: I don't think it changed recently
06:08.53PEACEYALLis there any package in debian that lets me switch between tv output and my lcd screen?
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06:09.16MichaelSaundersdebian:~# apt-cache search jabberd2-pgsql
06:09.16MichaelSaundersdebian:~#
06:09.17[sLiM]is there any know repositories with kde 3.4.1?
06:09.20dondelelcarochealer: this was like 6 years ago or so
06:09.26chealerdondelelcaro: hehe ok :)
06:09.27MichaelSaundersam I doing something wrong
06:09.30dondelelcaro!info jabberd2-pgsql
06:09.42chealeryou're more geek than me
06:09.46MichaelSaundersinfo jabberd2-pgsql
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06:10.11MichaelSaundersdondelelcaro: How does that command work
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06:10.57chealerMichaelSaunders: you forgot the "!"
06:11.09MichaelSaunders!info jabberd2-pgsql
06:11.13chealerjabber2 doesn't seem to be in debian. there's jabber
06:11.15smjdebian: Welp, I've successfully created another coaster.  It doesn't matter what kernel I run.  Sheesh this is annoying.
06:11.28chealerMichaelSaunders: no result because it doesn't exist
06:11.32chealer!info test
06:11.32smjdondelelcaro:  Welp, I've successfully created another coaster.  It doesn't matter what kernel I run.  Sheesh this is annoying.
06:12.01PEACEYALLcan any one help me????
06:12.05dondelelcaro!Info jabberd2-pgsql experimental
06:12.10dpkgjabberd2-pgsql: has nothing about Info
06:12.16dondelelcaro!info jabberd2-pgsql experimental
06:12.19dpkgjabberd2-pgsql: (Jabber Open Source Instant Messenger Server (PostgreSQL)), section net, is optional. Version: 2.0s6-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 551 kB, Installed size: 1536 kB
06:12.27smjDoes cdrecord work under cygwin?
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06:12.56PhotarAre there any guides/HOWTOs for setting up a linux email server in a windows 2k AD domain and have it get usernames and passwords from the domain controller?
06:12.57chealer!geekcrown dondelelcaro
06:13.00smjWelp, thanks anyways guys, I'm off to bed.
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06:13.28Shadurfirefox is killing off the X server every time it tries to display a javascripy page
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06:14.22MichaelSaundersdondelelcaro: How can I install that
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06:15.09rellikwhat's a simple program I can use that will let me do regex substitution?  I have a string, and I wanna replace all the spaces with "+"s
06:15.14dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: you need to have an experimental line in your sources.list
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06:15.24dondelelcarorellik: sed or perl
06:15.36dondelelcarorellik: FE, perl -pi -e 's/\s/+/g' foofile;
06:15.38MichaelSaundersdeb ftp://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib
06:15.48MichaelSaundersso do I change sarge to experimental
06:15.58dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: oh... no. Just use the v1.4 jabberd then
06:16.08peterS!experimental
06:16.08dpkgexperimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental.
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06:16.45sanxiynhttp://bugs.debian.org/273760
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06:16.48drp!topic
06:16.56dondelelcaro!dbugs 273760
06:16.57guestishhow do i set it to accept wallchan messages?
06:16.59guestishor whatever its called
06:16.59dpkgDONE:#273760:N[tech-ctte] [Fwd: Debian is useless]
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06:17.07dondelelcaroguestish: /umode +w
06:17.16sanxiyn"Debian is useless", assigned to technical commitee.
06:17.20guestishthanks
06:17.22PhotarAre there any guides/HOWTOs for setting up a linux email server in a windows 2k AD domain and have it get usernames and passwords from the domain controller?
06:17.27chealerthat's even more convincing than !unstable :)
06:17.41guestishdondelelcaro: wallchan is how they send notices right?
06:17.49dondelelcaroguestish: or wallops I think
06:17.53dondelelcaroPhotar: have the windows 2k AD domain serve the usernames/password thingies using ldap
06:18.02guestishdondelelcaro: is that the +w?
06:18.07dondelelcaroguestish: yeah
06:18.20guestishdondelelcaro: you know what else xchat ignores by default?
06:18.27dondelelcaroguestish: no clue
06:18.32guestishdondelelcaro: k
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06:18.40drpare there debian developers that idle here
06:18.46Photardondelelcaro: I need  a little more hand holding than that.
06:18.48guestishsupposedly
06:19.06dondelelcarodrp: what's your question?
06:19.15drpthat was my question lol
06:19.32dondelelcaroyes, there usually are DDs idling here. Right now there is a DD not idling.
06:20.07drp:o so you are
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06:20.57sanxiyndrp: Yes, there are some DDs here now, and usually so.
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06:21.02nvzdoes the debian-installer use devfs?
06:21.04peterSdrp: that's all you wanted to know?  whether any debian developers were around?
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06:21.08peterSnvz: yes
06:21.17nvzI am trying to tell someone how to chroot rescue I dont know what the device name is
06:21.20nvzheh
06:21.26nvzI guess its not /dev/hdb1
06:21.30drppeterS, yes
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06:22.31nvzanyone know what /dev/hdb1 is in devfs?
06:22.33troggerhey people. it's a bit OT, but I was thinking about running debian on an xbox: does an xbox have a fan-cooled psu? is it noisy?
06:22.35moodsofthi all, yesterday I was in here and someone gave me some DNS server addresses, could someone please tell me what I ask google to get usable dns addresses? or could someone give me any DNS server addresses in CA that are open to the public?
06:22.36figfigI am presently using tar to install packages in a distribution that gets burned onto a cd.  I would like to change to dpkg, but when I tried there was one problem- I need to be root to install deb even in a DESTDIR.  Is this true (if so, it makes me less inclined to move from tar).
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06:22.55sanxiyntrogger: http://xbox-linux.org/
06:22.56Flimzytrogger: You don't have an xbox to look at?
06:23.06jm_figfig: tried using fakeroot?
06:23.07troggerFlimzy: nope, never seen one.
06:23.12Flimzytrogger: I'm curious why you want to run anything on an xbox if you don't already own an xbox.
06:23.32dondelelcarofigfig: that's false.
06:23.36troggerFlimzy: I want a server that is quiet, cheap and adequately fast.
06:23.45figfigjm_: I did but I don't think that solves the problem- ultimitely I think it uses real root permissions.
06:23.53figfigjm_: I couldn't get it to work.
06:23.56chealertrogger: it's noisy, and there's xebian for it
06:24.04sanxiyntrogger: Do check xbox-linux.org, and especially http://xbox-linux.org/Xebian
06:24.07troggerchealer: cheers, that's the bit of info I was after
06:24.07dondelelcarofigfig: dpkg-deb -x; will do it for you even without being root. However, you'll need to be root at some point if you want the permissions to be correct.
06:24.10moodsoftanyone?
06:24.12troggersanxiyn: thank you, will do
06:24.33jm_figfig: well think about permissions - you can't easily chown files to root if you're not root
06:24.35dondelelcarofigfig: the same thing applies to tarballs, since there's no way to create real setuid 0 files on a filesystem without actually being root.
06:24.46figfigdondelelcaro: let me try that.
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06:25.11dondelelcaro(fakeroot will make you believe that they're setuid 0 so long as you don't try to test it too hard)
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06:25.58aphisoneI am trying to install java... I'm reading the install text, but I was wondering where I sould install it!
06:25.59Flimzytrogger: You want to use a game console as  _server_?!
06:26.14troggerFlimzy: not if it's noisy ;)
06:26.26drpxbox's aren't noisy
06:26.31troggerFlimzy: but otherwise it's a quite cheap pc
06:26.40Flimzytrogger: Game consoles are designed for fast video output, etc.  Not to be servers.
06:26.49troggerFlimzy: cheaper than buying it any other way
06:26.52sanxiynFlimzy: But Xbox is plain x86 PC.
06:26.53drpI've seen a 24 node xbox cluster before
06:26.54Flimzytrogger: I imagine disk, network, and other I/O is relatively slow.
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06:27.02sanxiynFlimzy: Not designed to be game console.
06:27.03figfigjm_ and dondelelcaro: I have the same problem with the tar version, and I do run one script at the end to change permissions.  I would really not want to install packages as root though, as one mistake could erase system directories.  Also, sometimes packages are installed piecewise and people don't want to type in the root password each time.
06:27.25Flimzysansaway: It's an x86 designed to be a game console.
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06:27.28sanxiynFlimzy: Not by much.
06:27.46FlimzyWhat's retail pricetag on an xbox?
06:27.51drp150
06:27.59Flimzyand what are the specs?
06:28.00dondelelcarofigfig: that's why dpkg does what it does... it's really careful about not randomly erasing system directories.
06:28.00drpused around 125
06:28.03jm_it's well over $200 here ;)
06:28.07drpit's like a 700mhz machine
06:28.10troggerbased around a celeron 733, I believe, 6 gig hdd
06:28.11drpI think
06:28.20trogger10/100
06:28.36FlimzyA celeron server?  ick
06:28.38dondelelcarofigfig: if two packages want to overwrite the same file, it's a bug. The actual installation of files itself is pretty safe.
06:28.39nvzFlimzy: Intel PIII 733mhz ~6-8gb HD, DVD Rom, nVidia 520MX or something
06:28.41chealerat least 10 G in modern xbox
06:28.42FlimzyCeleron desktops are bad enough
06:28.51troggerhe
06:28.53troggerh
06:29.02Flimzynvz: I assume the HD at least can be replaced with something larger, no?
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06:29.11drpFlimzy, yeah
06:29.14nvzFlimzy: yeah I've seen people put 300GB or more in em
06:29.18Flimzyhow much RAM?
06:29.19nvzFlimzy: its standard IDE
06:29.20dondelelcaroFlimzy: don't be knocking the celeron server... a wimpy celeron can easily saturate most upstream links...
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06:29.40mousexhi, there!
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06:29.54chealerI'd try buying any used PC instead of buying a xbox
06:29.58troggermousex: hi! how! are! you!
06:30.08Flimzychealer: amen
06:30.14mousextrogger: g! o! o! d!
06:30.20aphisoneI am trying to install java... I'm reading the install text, but I was wondering where I sould install it!
06:30.22figfigdondelelcaro: Thanks, it seems to work.  Question though, it only extracts files, correct?  Will it also run the configure scripts?
06:30.30nvzFlimzy: 64mb
06:30.36dondelelcarofigfig: dpkg will, but dpkg-deb doesn't.
06:30.36troggermousex: great! pleased! to! hear! it!
06:30.47jm_aphisone: it's best if you use java-package (it's only in sid, but it works fine for Sarge)
06:30.55calythyou guys got a soundcard to recommend that preferably isn't creative and I can use Alsa to choose which output to use easily?
06:31.02dondelelcarofigfig: the configure scripts need to be run as root, because they often need to modify config files and the ilk
06:31.02mousexWhat program can I use to copy an entire Web site into my hard drive?
06:31.03troggeraphisone: I'd try the blackdown packages - just add the correct sources to /etc/apt/sources.list (google for it)
06:31.05figfigdondelelcaro: I didn't realize that debian wouldn't overwrite files.  Interesting to know, coming from tar.
06:31.08dondelelcaromousex: wget
06:31.19nvzFlimzy: four usb ports and onboard 10/100 ethernet
06:31.30Flimzynvz: Can the RAM be upgraded?
06:31.31sussudionvz: and a badger in a pear tree
06:31.34dondelelcarofigfig: that's files in the dpkg database... it has no qualms nuking things that don't exist, though.
06:31.48troggerdondelelcaro: heh
06:31.49nvzFlimzy: there arent like freakin dim sockets, no
06:31.54Flimzynvz: If the RAM could be upgraded, I might consider an xbox to aide in DVD/CD ripping.
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06:32.02troggernvz: ah, just use a soldering iron :)
06:32.04mousexdondelelcaro: can wget ignore the /robots.txt files?
06:32.04figfigdondelelcaro: actually that should not be a problem for me (not running the configure scripts).  For now I don't have any, and if I do I can always run them the first time the dist is started.
06:32.07Flimzynvz: yah... then I don't think I'd want an xbox for anything.
06:32.14troggermousex: it won't look at it
06:32.25mousextrogger: ha, ha!
06:32.26dondelelcaromousex: yes... but if you can't read the manpage enough to figure that out, you shouldn't be ignoring them.
06:32.29nvzFlimzy: http://www.xboxexclusive.com/xboxspecs.html
06:32.35figfigdondelelcaro: overwriting should not be a problem if I use dpkg for everything though?
06:32.40dondelelcarofigfig: exactly.
06:32.40sanxiynfakeroot is a wonder.
06:32.44nvzFlimzy: hardware comparison of xbox, ps2, gamecube
06:32.47troggermousex: this seems unusually amusing!
06:33.14figfigdondelelcaro: Thanks!  You were a help.
06:33.17drpnvz, go with the gamecube  o_P
06:33.18dondelelcarofigfig: althoug, you'll likely just find yourself dropping back to just using the Debian base packages, and heavily modifying them as necessary.
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06:33.26Flimzynvz: I'll have a look.
06:33.34narI am trying to run debian kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686-smp on a Intel whitebox server.  It runs but hangs at restarting message on reboot.  Any ideas?
06:33.50sanxiyn(BUGS: None so far. Be warned, though: although I've written quite a few much larger and smaller programs, I've never written anything as tiny as fakeroot, had as many bugs as fakeroot, and still as usable as fakeroot.
06:33.51dondelelcarofigfig: since Debian has had to deal with almost all of these issues at some point in time, and has solutions that have worked for well over a decade now...
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06:33.55sanxiyn(from fakeroot manpage)
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06:34.05usr010hey uh how do i get my ip info?
06:34.09troggersanxiyn: haha
06:34.17Flimzyuseruser: ipconfig
06:34.21Flimzyer...
06:34.22troggerifconfig
06:34.23Flimzyusr010: ipconfig
06:34.28Flimzyblah
06:34.30Flimzyifconfig
06:34.31troggerFlimzy: wash your hands out with soap!
06:34.32FlimzyGrr
06:34.33Azarook I got alsa, I got xmms, I got all plugins, but xmms won't play it runs away when I point a file ? what can I do?
06:34.36troggerdisgusting windows user :p
06:35.04Azarum alsaconfig gives me errors
06:35.06Flimzytrogger: Windows isn't the problem.  It's the 3 gallons of coffee I just drank.
06:35.15troggerFlimzy: that's a lot of coffee :p
06:35.15figfigdondelelcaro: Yeah, I love debian.  I am getting to the point where I am learning more of the details now (ie- up until now I just apt-get'ed everything, didn't really know much about dpkg).
06:35.23jm_Azar: did you select ALSA output plugin in xmms?
06:35.27Flimzytrogger: I was at IHOP for a long time :P
06:35.35troggerIHOP ??
06:35.41sanxiynfigfig: Well, users are not supposed to know about dpkg, actually.
06:35.49jm_sanxiyn: that's bullshit
06:35.55dondelelcarofigfig: yeah... you're probably ready to read through the NM guide etc. to see how these things are all put together...
06:35.56nvzdrp: according to this link its gfx is the slowest of the 3 by a long shot
06:35.58dondelelcaro!nm guide
06:35.58dpkgThe New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/
06:36.11Flimzytrogger: International House of Pancakes.
06:36.13drpnvz, notice the --> o_P
06:36.17sanxiynjm_: I'm very sorry to say bullshit.
06:36.23Azarjm_ no, I will try that now
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06:36.36jm_Azar: and also make sure you're in group audio
06:36.43figfigdondelelcaro: Oops, I just realized something- dpkg-deb -x probably doesn't update /var/lib/dpkg, does it?  My plan is to have the dist on CD ready to copy to a machine with the dpkg ready to be run and with dpkg working on what is already there.
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06:36.50nvzdrp: heh, or dvd playback or hdtv movies/games
06:36.54Azarjm_ yes :)
06:36.57troggerwhoops
06:37.05FlimzyI think I need a better name than 'vwxyz' for my better-than-abcde CD ripping frontend.
06:37.05sanxiynfigfig: dpkg -x doesn't update /var/lib/dpkg.
06:37.18drpnvz, I don't think you can do much more with a ps2 when you mod it
06:37.26sanxiynFlimzy: I like vwxyz name :-)
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06:37.52Flimzysansaway: heh... But it doesn't mean anything... except "I choose this name to spite abcde"
06:37.57nvzdrp: they used to sell linux kits for the ps2 so you could hook a vga monitor, keyboard and hd to them and run linux on it
06:38.01drpnvz, I just use mine for a media server ... it's good for that
06:38.05nvzdrp: they stopped selling them in the us
06:38.07dondelelcarofigfig: just build the cd in a chroot then, and have it copy thigns over... look at how knoppix or ubuntu's cd does this, FE>
06:38.07Flimzysansaway: plus it's a pain in the ass to type over and over again
06:38.15drpnvz, wasn't aware of that
06:38.20usr010how do i get my ip info
06:38.24dondelelcarofigfig: debootstrap will probably also be of some assistance to you as well.
06:38.30troggerusr010: type ifconfig
06:38.33drpusr010, ifconfig
06:38.34Flimzyusr010: Step 1:  Pay attention when people answered you the first time.
06:38.38drplol
06:38.38mousexwget is awsome!!!   ;)
06:38.47nvzdrp: yeah you could actually hack your own games on the ps2 with their linux kit from what I understand
06:38.50drpmousex, yeah it's amazing
06:38.57usr010ur joking right
06:39.03dondelelcaro!ur
06:39.04dpkgUr is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC.  If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old
06:39.05MichaelSaundersin jabber where do you load users
06:39.12nvzdrp: it was like a ps2 developers kit I guess
06:39.14dondelelcarotrogger: heh. you're only using the first part of it... wait until you use it with pbuilder
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06:39.40drpnvz, do they even have a hd in ps2's
06:39.47sanxiyndondelelcaro: Is pbuilder intended for users?
06:39.58sanxiyndrp: Yes.
06:40.04dondelelcarosanxiyn: not really... it's really only useful for people building packages.
06:40.08troggerdondelelcaro: /me smiles insanely at pbuilder
06:40.29nvzdrp: its got that big expansion bay for one, thats where the linux kit goes, and the video card sticks out there to plug the monitor in and the modem or whatever I guess
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06:40.57drpnvz, hmm interesting ... learn something every day
06:40.58sanxiynpbuilder is a good miniature of Debian buildd for testing purposes.
06:41.02nvzdrp: the new slim ps2 have the network stuff I think but cannot have hds
06:41.16troggerhas anyone else had problems with thunderbird forgetting mail server passwords erratically? It has been driving me nuts
06:41.40clav<PROTECTED>
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06:41.44Flimzytrogger: My problem with thunderbird is it's slow IMAP operation.
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06:42.04mostyflimzy, seems fast enough to me
06:42.07figfigdondelelcaro: Thanks again.  I am looking at my options.
06:42.07Flimzytrogger: I wish it would lose passwords instead :P
06:42.07troggerFlimzy: mutt is great therapy when used in conjunction with thunderbird :)
06:42.13Flimzymosty: You probably have a faster net connection.
06:42.14troggerFlimzy: trade? :)
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06:42.33Flimzytrogger: I loved mutt... until I switchec to IMAP.  I never got it to work very well. :/
06:42.34mostyflimzy, 512k/128k adsl
06:42.46troggerFlimzy: oh? I've had it working great with imap
06:42.52Flimzymosty: Yup.  I'm on ~2.5x Dialup
06:42.57pentaHow can you check if the cpu is hyperthreaed i have P4 3.0 ?
06:43.08nvzdrp: well the ps2 is like a SMP arch in a way.. and they plan on just scaling outward releasing a console every 5 years, they seem to be doing the backward compatibilty well too. they want the developers to be lined up and ready to go ahead of time
06:43.11Flimzytrogger: I switched to IMAP ~2 years ago.  I've heard mutt has come a long way since then... but I've never gone back to try to get IMAP working with it.
06:43.27dondelelcaropenta: cat /proc/cpuinfo
06:43.28troggerFlimzy: it's worth it... if you want a config file that you can easily modify, I can flick one to you
06:43.35mostypenta: run an smp kernel. if you see two cpu entries in /proc/cpuinfo, it's hyperthreading
06:43.37dondelelcaropenta: if you see ht, it likely is.
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06:43.49Flimzymosty: Thunderbird seems to do lots of unecessary communication for tasks that don't really need it (compared with other mail clients)
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06:43.54booyaahola
06:43.57troggercan you actually get non-HT 3.0 GHz P4s?
06:43.59FlimzyYou know your IMAP mail client is slow when webmail is faster.
06:43.59troggerbooyaa: hola
06:44.04drpnvz, I would have probably bought a ps2 if I knew I could have done everything I could with an xbox
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06:44.18pentadondelelcaro, when i do cat /proc/cpuinfo i dont get any info about hyperthread
06:44.28troggerpenta: do you get two cpus though?
06:44.35pentatrogger, nope
06:44.41booyaahey just out of curiosity, anyone here run a wireless card and a wireless network scanner like airfart (or similar) successfully?
06:44.46mostyflimzy: you can keep your sent mail locally, if you don't want to wait for a copy to be uploaded after the mail itself is uploaded
06:44.49troggerbooyaa: moi
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06:45.05dondelelcaronvz: is Megan| randomly /msg'ing people?
06:45.07Flimzymosty: No, I like that feature... (except that it doesn't work at all for me in Thunderbird anyway)
06:45.19booyaacool! may i ask what wireless card your using? i have one but none of the darn network sensors work with this prism54 card
06:45.21drpwho is this Megan|
06:45.25nvzdondelelcaro: not that I know of.. but I notice the user joined and I just wondered if they were still +q
06:45.28Flimzymosty: I think the most annoying thing it does is move "deleted" mail to a new folder, rather than just marking it "deleted"
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06:45.33booyaai'm gonna go out and buy it tommorah
06:45.33drpI see here spamming every once and awhile in #flood
06:45.43troggerbooyaa: I have an atheros card and using airsnort. however, you have to put it manually in monitor mode
06:46.04troggerFlimzy: almost certain you can configure this?
06:46.09booyaathat would be via iwconfig? k.
06:46.18booyaatrogger, specific model?
06:46.26Azarmy alsaconf complains that cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep what can I do?
06:46.42Flimzytrogger: hmm, maybe
06:46.46troggerbooyaa: indeed... the only atheros with 802.11 a/b/g
06:46.51Flimzytrogger: now I'm curious... gonna look.  hehe
06:46.55booyaalol oh no shit, its just one card
06:46.55troggerheh
06:46.56booyaahaha
06:46.57booyaacool :)
06:46.58booyaadanke
06:47.06Azarbitte :)
06:47.07troggerbooyaa: pas de probleme
06:47.33booyaadoes it require firmware or does debian support it out of the box?
06:47.44troggernot firmware, but kernel patch
06:47.53troggerbooyaa: ^^ see madwifi
06:48.04booyaa*eep* k. good enuf, thats all fer now
06:48.07booyaa*click* salute
06:48.09booyaa:)
06:48.28Flimzytrogger: oh boy... it is configurable.  super!
06:48.37troggerFlimzy: sweet :)
06:48.40Flimzytrogger: maybe I can start hating thunderbird a bit less now :P
06:48.43troggerFlimzy: still, mutt's good
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06:49.09troggerFlimzy: oh and if you find a solution to the forgetting email password thing, let me know before I smash my computer with a hammer (and it's a beautiful computer, too :()
06:49.21FlimzyI need a way to artificially scratch a CD for test ripping purposes.  Hmmm
06:49.28Flimzytrogger: heh
06:49.32Flimzytrogger: I've never had that problem.
06:49.37Azarhow can I help alsaconf ?
06:49.44troggerFlimzy: orbital sander?
06:49.48Flimzytrogger: Maybe you should try mutt :P
06:49.56troggerFlimzy: I use mutt
06:50.09troggerFlimzy: when I get sick of thunderbird
06:50.32usr010ifconfig doesnt work
06:50.48troggerusr010: as root?
06:50.57FlimzyI wonder if my Debian maintainorship is still active... if it is, I can upload vwxyz (or whatever I rename it to) myself in a week or so.
06:51.00FlimzyHmmm
06:51.09usr010nvrmnd
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06:51.18Flimzyif not, I'll hafta call my friend who's maintainorship I know is active, and have him sponsor it for me
06:51.20usr010duh! just had to say it
06:51.22SiliconViperUpdated my bonus-pack script, added libdvdcss, dvd+rw-tools, and transcode.
06:51.31rellikcan anyone see what's wrong with this statement? 'sed -e "s/\\/%5c/g' ? it fails with "sed: -e expression #1, char 9: unterminated `s' command"
06:51.33SiliconViperhttp://colstrom.whatthefork.org/software/shellscript/bonuspack/readme.php
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06:52.21troggerrellik: change your terminating ' to an " ?
06:52.30dondelelcarorellik: the first \\ will get eaten by the shell.
06:52.45Flimzyhrm, I wish thunderbird had a 'purge' button like OE does
06:52.45rellikdondelelcaro, oooooooooh :)  I can't tell you how long I've been staring at this :)
06:52.49dondelelcarorellik: you need sed -e 's/\\/%5c/g' or sed -e "s/\\\\/%5c/g"
06:52.57troggerFlimzy right click and "expunge"
06:52.57trogger?
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06:53.08rellikdondelelcaro, thanks, once again :)
06:53.15starfishi recently built my cousin a pc with a linux drive(slave) and windows drive(master) how can get it to ask him at boot up which hd to use instead of just booting to the windows hd?
06:53.31troggerstarfish: install and configure grub appropriately
06:53.36MichaelSaundersanyone know where I can download jabber2
06:53.45dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: it's in experimental...
06:53.47Flimzytrogger: right-click on the folder name and "Compact this folder" worked
06:53.56dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: but you're on your own for that.
06:53.57nvzdondelelcaro: any comments on that?
06:54.00troggerFlimzy: that'll do - knew it was something like that
06:54.02Flimzytrogger: a little less friendly than a "Purge" button along the top, tho
06:54.07troggerFlimzy: you can also get it to do it on exit
06:54.21Azardondelecaro, why would alsa not working on my debian?
06:54.23dondelelcaronvz: oh, yeah... still +q...
06:54.33MichaelSaundersdondelelcaro: I want to install from source
06:54.35Flimzytrogger: Yeah, but I don't want to have to wait that long to delete the 300 spams I get each day :P  Esp. when I often leave my MUA open for days or weeks at a time.
06:54.40MichaelSaundersany ideas where I can get it from
06:54.45nvzdondelelcaro: the user was quieted for letting personal issues get in the way of support and geting people riled up
06:54.46takatumigod! swf sucks, load shoots up over 2.0
06:54.59dondelelcaronvz: oh, yeah... I put in the +q...
06:54.59booyaatakatumi, yeah it does
06:55.17takatumiand I accidently left my laptop running at 2.0 all night.
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06:55.35takatumifeels warm.
06:55.50drpanyone have any good suggestions for mp3 players
06:55.55troggerdrp iPod
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06:56.00drpnegative
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06:56.01trogger:p
06:56.05takatumidrp: try mp3blaster
06:56.15drpnegative trogger
06:56.16Flimzydrp: as in for Linux, or hardware/portable?
06:56.20drplinux
06:56.22drpsorry
06:56.31troggerdrp: you can put linux on an iPod :)
06:56.36Flimzydrp: console or X?
06:56.36drphaha
06:56.50relliktrogger, yes
06:56.50drpX
06:56.54FlimzyThe obvious solution for X is XMMS
06:57.04FlimzyFor console, there are several... mpg123 is probably the most popular.
06:57.07drpand console
06:57.13drpdoes anyone use rat poison here
06:57.45Flimzywhen I need to kill rats, I do
06:57.46takatumidrp: I use ion, quite similar. (don't anyone use us again)
06:58.00drpFlimzy, lol
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06:58.31FlimzyBlah, all my CDs are ripping without errors.  How can I test my "Keep the best copy" feature of my ripper if all the copies are flawless the first time?
06:58.40booyaafark, i knew i should of bought a netgear pcmcia with atheros chipse
06:58.41MichaelSaundersdondelelcaro: Any idea where I can get the source from
06:58.45booyaalike a dink i bought a 3com
06:58.54takatumiFlimzy: try burning one upside down.
06:58.59Flimzytak_: ha
06:59.10dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: you can actually get it right from experimental...
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06:59.29troggerFlimzy: bit bash the images
06:59.33Flimzytakatumi: ha... I wonder... do they make dual-sided CD-R media?  That would be handy for archiving data....
06:59.44booyaatrogger, thankya for the info, thats great
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06:59.56sanxiynMichaelSaunders: http://packages.debian.org/experimental/source/jabberd2
06:59.56troggerbooyaa: np
07:00.02takatumiFlimzy: don't remember seeing one, there are probably.
07:00.04sanxiynMichaelSaunders: Any question? :-)
07:00.11FlimzyAltho now I have a dual-layer DVD burner...  Now I need dual-layer/dual-sided DVD media.  Then I could store 16 gigs on a single disk
07:00.17dondelelcaroMichaelSaunders: wget http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/j/jabberd2/jabberd2_2.0s6{-1.{diff.gz,dsc},.orig.tar.gz}
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07:01.22takatumihe'll probably click that.
07:01.51bosewichti recently installed debian as a server and when i try to hit a public_html site i get a "htaccess directoryindex not allowed in here" error in error.log any ideas?
07:02.05ixionI can't see the entire topic... what's the channel for Debian on PPC?
07:02.16Flimzybosewicht: You have directory listings disabled
07:02.21Flimzybosewicht: just like it says
07:02.39bosewichtbut there is a index.html file in there
07:02.42sanxiynixion: #debianppc
07:02.59Flimzybosewicht: Then perhaps you don't have index.html set up as the default filename
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07:03.11Flimzybosewicht: Perhaps it's only set up for index.htm, or some other variation
07:03.18bosewichtit's the same index.html that is in /var/www
07:03.22ixionThanks much, sanxiyn.
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07:03.56Flimzybosewicht: That's probably true.  But htaccess apparantly has a different configuration for your public_html dir than it does for /var/www
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07:04.18starfishim slightly a newbie of about 1 year and know nothing about grub and setting up how to give him a choice on which hd to choose from
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07:04.22Flimzybosewicht: What happens if you specify /index.html in the URL?
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07:04.49Flimzystarfish: Not to discourage you from using grub... but is there a reason you're using grub instead of lilo?
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07:05.31starfishim not sure what im using i just know what i want to do and not how to do it
07:05.55bosewichtsame error then also a file does not exist /var/www/favicon, this is all in the error.log
07:06.15Flimzystarfish: Well LILO is usually the default loader.  Although grub has many more features, it's probably harder to use, and probably overkill for most people.
07:06.17bosewichti prefer lilo
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07:06.24Flimzystarfish: that's the only reason I ask... lilo may be easier for you to use.
07:06.24takatumistarfish: apt-get install grub; update-grub
07:06.48troggerFlimzy: I disagree. grub doesn't require re-running each time, it's config files are simpler, you can do everything from command line on boot easily...
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07:07.07sanxiyntrogger: And most people don't need them.
07:07.07Flimzytrogger: s/easily/if you know exactly what you want to do/
07:07.08takatumiFlimzy: it is far easier that any bootloader I've seen.
07:07.17takatumis/that/than
07:07.41sanxiyntrogger: Most people are happy if their Windows keep booting. Just that.
07:08.15Flimzytrogger: It's admitedly far more powerful than lilo.  But for a newbie, lilo is probably simpler b/c a) it does have fewer features (and thus less complexity) b) it's more widely used, and thus more supported by the average joe community, c) it's the default
07:08.16troggernotwithstanding the above, I stand by my thoughts that grub is far superior, including in ease of use
07:08.29starfishwell this pc of my cuz has 2 hds master(windows) slave(linux) and i want a choice on which to load
07:08.40troggerbut I will happily let others advise starfish.
07:08.47Flimzystarfish: You can do that with LILO... which is probably already installed.
07:08.54idnarFlimzy: I find lilo a bad choice for newbies, because it's so easy to shoot yourself in the foot
07:08.58Flimzytrogger: ease of use != ease of learning. :)
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07:09.12starfishhow
07:09.15troggeridnar, agreed
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07:09.25idnarFlimzy: install a new kernel, reboot, and *oops* you can't boot anymore because you forgot to invoke the shielding rite of Ashk-Ent
07:09.30troggeridnar: but then, lilo's a bad choice all round ;)
07:09.34idnarFlimzy: aka /sbin/lilo ;)
07:09.44booyaaideal, haha
07:10.09takatumiFlimzy: trust me, it's easy. this is mostly auto-generated. http://gpoppy.org/new.menu.lst
07:10.19Flimzyidnar: If you install your kernel the "Debian way"(tm), lilo is already taken care of for you anyway :P
07:10.28bosewichti just can't figure this out, it has been driving me crazy all day
07:10.39idnarFlimzy: and I find lilo's config file no less confusing than grub's
07:10.42takatumiFlimzy: so does grub, it can even add an initrd line if you tell it to.
07:10.42Snadderdoes it matter that "link partner" does have flow control.. as reported with mii-tools?
07:10.47FlimzyI've only really used grub a couple times... when helping someone rescue a system.  and *I* found it slightly confusing
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07:10.57jm_Flimzy: I think grub is now default in Sarge
07:11.11sanxiynYes grub is default in D-I.
07:11.24Flimzyaltho if I invested the proper time (probably < 15 minutes) I'm sure I'd find grub easy enough to use for myself, and I'd probably never use lilo again.  But I'd still probably recommend lilo to newbies
07:11.25takatumijm_: you get to choose only in expert26 (iirc)
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07:11.36fatal_jm_: it is.
07:11.43Flimzyjm_: Then it probably won't be long before I switch to grub myself :)
07:11.55starfishhow do i do this in lilo?
07:12.14jm_I never looked back to LILO ever since I first managed to install GRUB, and that was way back in 0.4 times, when it wasn't even in Debian
07:12.15takatumiFlimzy: you sholdn't mess with the defaults when it comes to newbers. (normally(
07:12.18directhexstarfish, are you installing woody on a desktop machine?
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07:12.42Flimzytakatumi: Agreed.  Which is why I support lilo for newbies.
07:12.49sanxiynWell, let's help starfish.
07:12.54starfishno this hard drive is already set up
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07:12.59FlimzyWoot!  My "rip n times, keep the best copy" feature is working
07:13.12Flimzystarfish: Is it set up with grub already?
07:13.15jm_fimz;what do you use for ripping?
07:13.19takatumiFlimzy: which client?
07:13.19jm_Flimzy: what do you use for ripping?
07:13.26starfishim not sure
07:13.41takatumistarfish: dpkg -l grub
07:13.48Flimzyjm_: My hacked version of cdrdao + my own perl front end... 'vwxyz' is the working (but hopefully soon to change) name
07:13.54starfishhold on ill check
07:14.00jm_Flimzy: hmm cdparanoia handles that internally
07:14.08Flimzyjm_: Not as well.
07:14.20Flimzyjm_: cdrdao uses the paranoia library from cdparanoia.
07:14.22takatumiFlimzy: if you get it all together, package it.
07:14.34Flimzytakatumi: I certianly will.
07:14.37jm_Flimzy: so you get better results than with cdparanoia's paranoid option(s)?
07:14.55Azarhmm gentooers got an alsa guide for installation
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07:15.50dondelelcaroAzar: have you followed the directions in /msg dpkg audio yet?
07:16.09directhex!alsa 2.6
07:16.09dpkgi heard alsa 2.6 is On Sarge, to use ALSA, ensure you have discover1 1.7.2 or higher, then apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils. You may need to run alsaconf too. No more faffing about with OSS modules. Remember to tell your applications and libraries to use alsa, to get any benefit.
07:16.23starfish/bin/sh: dpkg: not found
07:16.26Flimzyjm_: The main problems with cdparanoia are:  1) No support for ripping data or mixed-mode CDs, 2) It doesn't mantain pregap information, 3) There aren't any good frontends with the option to rip the entire disc at once (necessary to ensure proper boundaries between tracks for a perfect audio copy)
07:16.47Flimzyjm_: By using cdrdao + my hack + my frontend, I can overcome all of those (and a few other more minor) shortcomings of cdparanoia
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07:17.11Azardondelecaro, yes, but alsaconf is unable to open /lib/modules/2.6.10/modules.dep
07:17.17Flimzyjm_: For a purely audio CD, cdparanoia -B and my script should produce audibly identical results.
07:17.24jm_Flimzy: ahh I see your point
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07:17.40dondelelcaroAzar: uh... 2.6.10 isn't in Debian.
07:17.50directhexAzar, more problems from your custom kernel?
07:17.56dondelelcaroAzar: if you built a custom kernel, then you should have known enough to build in the appropriate modules for your kernel.
07:17.57Flimzyjm_: Although, for a CD with errors, my script does have the option to rip multiple times, and keep the best copy.  That would have to be done manually (and with lots of guesswork) using only cdparanoia
07:18.01directhexdondelelcaro, it's packaged in sid, but this isn't a packaged sid kernel
07:18.03takatumiAzar: in sid yes.
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07:18.19dondelelcarodirecthex: ah, right... skipped over those
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07:19.39Azarum ok
07:19.54AzarI will start over tomorrow, with fresh mind
07:20.02Azarthanks a lot guys :)
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07:20.22starfish/bin/sh: dpkg: not found
07:20.25takatumiAzar: it'll work fine if it's a self-compiled one.
07:20.38drpnapolean dynomite is the best movie I've seen in several years I think
07:20.47drpsorry just rambling
07:20.58takatumiAzar: so does a kernel-image. (usually)
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07:21.01Flimzydrp: hehe... it took me a while to appreciate that movie.  I was expecting too much from it the first time I saw it.
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07:21.07Azarhi neeko
07:21.10nvzdondelelcaro: heh this kid isnt that bad, just really clueless :P  I am half tempted to /umode +CE soon though
07:21.17neekoAzar: hey.
07:21.18Flimzydrp: I was about 3/4 through it before I could actually laugh at it. The 2nd time thru, I thuroughly enjoyed it, tho.
07:21.20neekoAzar: Day off tomorrow?
07:21.30Azarneeko, no, it was today
07:21.50neekoAzar: you're up late then.
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07:21.55Azarneeko you remember we had hardships with alsa long ago... I am having same thing now
07:22.04drpFlimzy, it's really funny for me because I knew a guy like that in high school
07:22.14drpFlimzy, - the sweet dance moves
07:22.19neekoAzar: Want me to take a peek?
07:22.21Flimzydrp: hehe
07:22.22Azarneeko, hehe installcoholics don't sleep at night
07:22.28Azarneeko, yes, thank you
07:22.40Azaralsaconf please
07:22.50Flimzydrp: My only complaint is that they cut the fishing scene... That shoulda been left in the movie.  It explains the "I caught you a delicoius bass" line.
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07:23.03drpFlimzy, that's no joke either ... several other people I used to go to high school have verified my story
07:23.14takatumistreuner: where's your piespy pie?
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07:23.17Shadur.. wait. It wasn't mozilla screwing up. It was the UTF-8 locale I had.
07:23.21calamarihi
07:23.32Flimzydrp: I still like OfficeSpace better, tho.  hehe
07:23.35drpFlimzy, the fish line was sort of explained before when he said that he could only give her some fish
07:23.38calamariI'm wondering which package provides libqt.so.2 or how to find this out for myself
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07:23.56jm_calamari: read the FAQ
07:23.59streunertakatumi: i didn't upgrade it permanently...
07:24.02valdyn_calamari: /msg dpkg search
07:24.07directhexcalamari, apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search libqt.so.2
07:24.21takatumistreuner: is it very resource intensive?
07:24.23drpFlimzy, that one line kip said just killed me "napolean don't be jealous that I've been chatting with hot babes ... all day"
07:24.30starfishwas that command to see if i have grub on this pc?
07:24.49jakAnybody work with CLE266 Drivers, ive been working on gettin ghtem installed for a while and having all kinds of dir issues
07:25.00Flimzydrp: Yup... Kip was perfect
07:25.14jm_no, it checks if GRUB package is installed, it dosn't necessarily mean it's also used as your boot loader
07:25.25Flimzydrp: And Re: the fish line... that previous line was still ambiguous without that deleted scene
07:25.34streunertakatumi: no, but its not *THAT* informative for us...
07:25.46drpFlimzy, I caught it without the fishing scene
07:25.56calamarivaldyn_, directhex: thanks
07:26.28Flimzydrp: It's just so much funnier when you realize it's a 2"-long fish, IMO
07:26.28drpFlimzy, but that's just because I have sweet ninja skills
07:26.39drpFlimzy, did you see it when "napolean" went on leno
07:26.45starfishusually with most of my question i ask my cuz nvz but hes kinda stumped by it to i guess
07:27.17takatumistarfish: what exactly is your question?
07:27.18troggercya all l8r
07:27.21johnfreez"You know, like nunchuck skills, bowhunting skills, computer hacking skills... Girls only want boyfriends who have great skills!"
07:28.04starfishhow to boot this linux drive without it booting this windows one
07:28.29drpjohnfreez, indeed ... or if you're pretty good with a bowstaff
07:28.33takatumistarfish: how have you installed it?
07:28.59jakworking with CLE266 driver issues, not finding dir;s correctly, tried everything i could think of, anybody offer any suggestions
07:28.59Flimzydrp: No.  I never watch leno.
07:29.04starfishi have linux on 1 drive and windows on the other
07:29.18Flimzydrp: Altho that woulda been fun to see.  I wonder if I can find it on P2P somewhere...
07:29.18takatumistarfish: cat /etc/debian_version
07:29.20drpFlimzy, well neither do I but I thought it would be funny to see him on there
07:29.32drpFlimzy, stop reading my mind
07:29.52johnfreezdrp, "I already made like infinity of those at scout camp."
07:30.04starfishhes using sid
07:30.10drpjohnfreez, hehe
07:30.14Vinwhen I remove mysql using apt. and I reinstall it. Should it not reinstall fresh config files? How do I properly flush the old configs?
07:30.43drpFlimzy, that movie got some good votes on imdb ... might make the top 250
07:31.47jm_Vin: no; read the FAQ
07:32.23takatumistarfish: so what does dpkg -l grub return?
07:32.25Vinhow do I flush it or clean it.
07:32.27calamariVin: I have /etc/mysql.. maybe that is related?
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07:32.32jm_read the FAQ
07:32.34starfish/bin/sh: dpkg: not found
07:33.19FlimzyI need to find a DVD Audio somewhere and see if I can get my frontend to rip those as well.
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07:34.31takatumistarfish: as root as well?
07:34.46starfishlol hold on
07:36.06starfishi cant boot the hard drive
07:36.31takatumistarfish: that is only one of your problems?
07:36.57mostyhow can i get audio data from line-in?
07:36.59takatumistarfish: you are being very vague.
07:37.15nvztakatumi: I installed Sid on this pc long ago for him. he moved sid to the slave drive, and put windows on the master.
07:37.26starfishthats probably the biggest hold nvz's gonna be less vague
07:37.52nvztakatumi: he needs help getting a bootloader on the winders drive to boot either winders or sid, he's got a sarge netinstall cd
07:38.02nvzdebian-installer rc2
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07:40.44takatumistarfish: boot with the installer, alt-F2, mount / and proc, chroot /, grub-install /dev/hdx; update-grub, edit /boot/grub/menu.lst if necessary, reboot.
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07:41.22riturajanybody from india?
07:41.30Jorisanyone got a idea on where I could ask about about a linux routing feature?
07:41.33riturajwhere can i get debian T-shirts in india?
07:41.45Vinnext to the fruit stand
07:41.49nvztakatumi: I tried to walk him through that, but I dont know how to tell him the device names cause the debian-installer uses devfs and I dont know what hdb1 is in devfs
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07:42.09takatuminvz: you mean in menu.lst?
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07:42.23nvzrituraj: if you run right now, you might be able to make the linux.conf.au
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07:42.33nvztakatumi: to even mount and chroot
07:42.50nvztakatumi: I dont know how to specify hdb1 in devfs weirdness
07:42.55rituraj:)
07:43.00takatuminvz: ah, I don't either.
07:43.04nvztakatumi: he's got the debian-installer booted there and in the console
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07:43.11valdyn_starfish: just "fdisk -l", it will list partitions, and device names too
07:43.12usr010heh signoff keeps sighning off
07:43.15sepnvz: that's what tab compleation is all about :)
07:43.22nvzsep: seriously..
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07:43.50usr010howd u figure out the hours running withhout reboot?
07:44.01sepuptime ?
07:44.08usr010yea h that same thing
07:44.14takatumiusr010: top
07:44.20FlimzyDoes anyone have any idea why audio ripping speeds will vary so much?  I've ripped the same CD in the same drive 5+ times, and the speed will vary anywhere from 2x to 8x on different rips.
07:44.39usr010TSR's?
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07:45.12FlimzyTSRs?  did I fall into #DOS by accident? :P
07:45.17valdyn_Flimzy: dust in the drive? i've noticed that too anyway, but not much you can do since its handled  by firmware
07:45.27takatumiusr010: top - 10:45:13 up 3 days, 18:36,  7 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.11, 0.18
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07:45.39Flimzyvaldyn_: I've ripped it 5 times in the last 30 minutes... I don't think it's been sitting still long enough for much dust to settle.
07:45.55chimaerahi, i have purhcased a maxtor one-touchII external hdd (iee1394) which keeps looking up when transfering large amounts of data.
07:46.01Flimzyvaldyn_: I'll rip once at 8x, then immediately (without removing the disk from the drive) rip again, and only get 4x, or 2x... or whatever
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07:46.22Flimzychimaera: A wild guess is that it's your firewire port, and not the drive itself.
07:46.55valdyn_Flimzy: some drives dont speed up again once theyre slow ( due to some error on the cd ), firmware issue
07:46.59usr010wow uptime just told me there wgere 3 users? i though i was thre only 1
07:47.20Flimzyvaldyn_: so if I eject and re-insert, it may speed up again?
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07:47.31takatumiusr010: w
07:47.31chimaeraFlimzy: well, how to check it? it's a via chipset.
07:47.43Flimzyusr010: That just means that there are 3 instances of users logged in.  You may be logged in more than once as the same user, and it will count as multiple users.
07:47.55usr010oh yeah that makes sense
07:48.15Flimzychimaera: I don't know.  I've never used firewire.  I'd do some googling for your firewire chipset and see if anyone else has the same issues.  If so, a BIOS upgrade might help.  *shrug*
07:48.15valdyn_Flimzy: no idea, drives do whatever firmware wants to do.. maybe you have  to hard reset the drive.. but worth a try , sure
07:49.43FlimzyI gotta learn perltk or something to make a GUI frontend to my ripping tool
07:49.57Flimzyit's too cool to leave on the console :P
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07:51.48rellikif I pipe something into a command, is there anyway to also use the keyboard as STDIN for that command?
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07:52.14valdyn_rellik: what do you want to do?
07:52.37Flimzyrellik: probably not... but there may be another way to accomplish what you need.  What precisely are you trying to do?
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07:52.59rellikvaldyn_, I am using the output from netcat to feed a perl script...  but then I want to prompt the user for stuff too, from the perl script
07:53.08valdyn_i can hardly imagine someone syncing his keystrokes with "cat blah"
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07:53.46usr010wow what cool features i just want to start up a website a pop mail server ftp u name it hl2
07:53.58Flimzyrellik: Have the script run netcat in backicks.... while(`netcat foo bar baz`) { }
07:54.00streuner_takatumi: http://weda.mine.nu/debian-current.png
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07:54.58Flimzyrellik: Or open FOO,"netcat foo bar baz |"; while(<FOO>) { }
07:55.00usr010yay streuner i was in the pic :)
07:55.00rellikFlimzy, will your code perform like 'while (STDIN)' {}' (give me one line at a time to parse ?
07:55.21Flimzyrellik: Then you can read netcat's output and process STDIN at the same time
07:55.21Flimzyrellik: yeah.
07:55.25valdyn_rellik: no idea about perl. but you dont need to get keyboard events via stdin. You want to get the netcat output via stdin and keyboard events specifically from the keyboard, i guess
07:55.28Flimzyrellik: That's how I read cdrdao's output in the perl script I'm writing right now.
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07:55.53Flimzyvaldyn_: keyboard input comes from stdin, tho
07:56.03takatumistreuner_: emty. :)
07:56.03usr010people actually use netcat..? when i used it on dos it was kinda? old feeling to it? even thumbed through the sourse
07:56.17Flimzyvaldyn_: I guess he could read from /dev/ttyXX... but that's really messy and nasty and gross and horrible and... and...
07:56.21mostywhat are the best mixer settings for recording from line-in? i have sound coming through, but the recorded wav is awfully muffled compared to the sound that plays through my speakers live
07:56.27usr010none to good without this seal
07:56.33rellikusr010, my life would be a lot less happy without netcat :)
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07:56.41streuner_takatumi: the bot is 10 minutes active
07:56.44Flimzyrellik: #perl is always a nice help to me, too
07:56.50usr010so it realy workes realy well?
07:56.56takatumistreuner_: I believe in the long run, it'll begin to give meaningful social relationship info.
07:57.08rellikusr010, yeah, it's old, like you said..  has had a lot of time to be debugged :)
07:57.18usr010the dos version didnt seem to have the right "stuff"
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07:57.31takatumistreuner_: have you seen "pay it forward"?
07:57.49valdyn_Flimzy: no it doesnt, keyboard is just the default stdin. Generally stdin is whatever is currently stdin, that _may_ be the keyboard, but since he pipes netcat output it doesnt..
07:57.51Flimzyusr010: Yeah... "DOS" means "doesn't have the right stuff" in French
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07:58.03streuner_takatumi: piespy doesn't record all the data, it shows you an actual situation in a certain time...
07:58.13hilikuswhat file do i change my default window manager in?
07:58.14takatumistreuner_: that sucks.
07:58.14usr010heh BS...
07:58.27Flimzyvaldyn_: Yeah, the keyboard could be redirected to another input filehandle
07:58.33Flimzyor whatever the proper terminology is called
07:58.44streuner_takatumi: *Everybody* thought that it records _all_ data :-)
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07:58.48Flimzyvaldyn_: But I'm not sure how to do that once the shell has redirected stdin for you already
07:58.50jm_hilikus: depends on how you start X
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07:59.03valdyn_rellik: i wouldnt get netcats output from stdin, just open it specifically, then you can use keyboard from stdin
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07:59.23usr010i havent even tried messing with nvidia drivers yet im afriead ill corrupt my sys
07:59.49streuner_takatumi: its useful for somebody, who don't know an channel at all and want a short info what's going on in this channel.
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07:59.58rellikvaldyn_, Flimzy, thanks, you've given me lots of ideas to work with..  now back to the console for me :)
08:00.11usr010not moving till some seroius though goes into it
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08:00.29hilikuswhen i start my comptuer it brings me to a gui log on screen. does that help?
08:00.40usr010yeah
08:00.45vortegehhello
08:00.55usr010type root and rootpassword
08:01.05usr010or usr and usr pass
08:01.22hilikusit says the system administator is not allowed to login from this screen
08:01.35vortegehdoes anyone know of a good domain name registrar that offers a free webmail with the domain name?
08:01.36valdyn_hilikus: thats good.
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08:01.57clojsterhow can I use shutdown command if I'm not root
08:01.58clojster?
08:02.07hilikussu
08:02.12takatumistreuner_: probably.
08:02.29clojsterwell... it's too long. su - pass, then command
08:02.31valdyn_clojster: ctrl-alt-del
08:02.40hilikusya that too :-p
08:02.46clojstervaldyn_: I want to power off
08:02.59clojsternot restart
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08:03.19valdyn_clojster: and you want to permit every user to just do that?
08:03.25takatumiclojster: if you have acpi working well, just pressing the powerbutton might get it to powerdown. (does here)
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08:03.50hilikusand u need a switching power supply
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08:03.56takatumimight get it done in an orderly way I meant.
08:04.23valdyn_clojster: apt-get install acpid
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08:05.22Flimzyvortegeh: you can't host your own domain?
08:05.40streuner_takatumi: http://weda.mine.nu/debian-current.png
08:05.51Flimzyvortegeh: Rather than searching for a registrar with free webmail, you're probably more likely to find a webmail host with free domain registration.
08:06.05Flimzyvortegeh: altho that may incurr a monthly (rather than annual) fee
08:06.44clojstervaldyn_: yep, every user...
08:06.58rellikchimaera, usr010, Flimzy, valdyn_, clojster, takatumi, streuner_, im_, hilikus, hey guys
08:07.00clojstervaldyn_: or only one specified? it is possible?
08:07.21takatumirellik: jm_ not im_
08:07.26clojstertakatumi: I have acpi... well, I try that. thanks
08:07.37rellikchimaera, usr010, Flimzy, valdyn_, clojster, takatumi, streuner_, jm_, hilikus, here we go
08:07.59rellik:)  I'm gonna be the most popular on the next debian-current.png
08:08.04takatumirellik: but this time you missed the greeting.
08:08.06valdyn_clojster: sudo shutdown -h now ( man sudo, its even possible to not require a passwort to sudo a specific command )
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08:08.13streuner_haha
08:08.36takatumi!pal rellik
08:08.39hilikusright now in my /etc/X11/default-display-manager it says /usr/bin/gdm could i change that to /usr/bin/blackbox ?
08:08.41clojstervaldyn_: ok, thanks... and one more question. How can I specify an alias for command?
08:08.48takatumiwe need dpkg in there as well. :)
08:09.21valdyn_clojster: alias l=ls
08:09.27clojstervaldyn_: I don't want to write long long shutdown -h now
08:09.43Guerinclojster: man bashrc
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08:09.57streuner_rellik: upgrade it
08:09.58valdyn_clojster: alias shutdown='sudo shutdown -h now'
08:09.59rellikclojster, "alias bye='shutdown -h now' "
08:10.17jm_I wonder how was that dagram created - conversations among people?
08:10.21rellikwoot, streuner_
08:10.45clojstervaldyn_:  rellik: thanks. And where is that alias stored? (in case I want to remove it)
08:10.45rellikjm_, the pic seems to watch for when you mention someone's name
08:10.49takatumijm_: piespy
08:10.58Flimzyvortegeh: How many webmail addresses do you need with your domain?
08:11.00valdyn_clojster: it isnt stored
08:11.05rellikclojster, you can put it in ~/.bashrc
08:11.06jm_hilikus: no, select Debian session in menus, or Default, then it will honour ~/.xsession
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08:11.22streuner_!piespy
08:11.23dpkgPieSpy is an IRC bot that monitors a set of IRC channels. It uses a simple set of heuristics to infer relationships between pairs of users. These inferrences allow PieSpy to build a mathematical model of a social network for any channel. These social networks can be drawn and used to create animations of evolving social networks. http://jibble.org/piespy/
08:11.25jm_takatumi: ahh of course, there's a link at the bottom ;)
08:11.27vortegehFlimzy: I only need one email address
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08:11.35valdyn_clojster: you can put it into ~/.bashrc
08:11.37rellikdpkg I love you
08:11.37dpkgI love you too, rellik.
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08:12.22Flimzyvortegeh: I'll give you webmail for $10/yr for your address :)
08:12.23rellikFlimzy, valdyn_, usr010, dpkg
08:12.29Flimzyrellik: huh?
08:12.38rituraj#debian-india
08:12.45Flimzyvortegeh: with free optional spam filtering
08:13.01Flimzyvorsprung: as well as POP3 and IMAP access
08:13.07zakamewhat's the best way to remove unused extra packages? is debfoster ok?
08:13.17vortegehspam filtering is not a priority
08:13.19takatumirellik: drawing a flower?
08:13.22Flimzyvorsprung: and I can handle DNS for you if necessary
08:13.31Flimzyvorsprung: Well, I already have it all set up.
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08:13.37Flimzyvorsprung: So you can have those features if you want 'em
08:13.39relliktakatumi, I crave symmetry
08:14.02Flimzyvorsprung: Or if your registrar provides free POP3 access, my system can also just fetch mail from there to my webmail server
08:14.18takatumirellik: fractal geometry is the key.
08:14.20rellikFlimzy, why not just use squirrelmail?
08:14.28Flimzyrellik: I do use squirrelmail.
08:14.45Flimzyrellik: So I guess I don't have an answer to your question.  I can't think of why not.
08:14.46rellikFlimzy, heh I meant why not just tell him to run squirrelmail
08:15.00Flimzyrellik: Because he apparantly doesn't have a server on which to run it
08:15.14Flimzyrellik: If he did, I'm assuming he wouldn't be asking for a place to host webmail :P
08:15.22rellikFlimzy, ah ok..  I missed that start of the conversation :)
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08:15.35hilikusmy god, debian is much faster than slack
08:15.42Flimzyrellik: There you go again... jumping in in the middle of a conversation... :P
08:15.43slackd00dhah
08:15.46rellikhilikus, sexier too
08:15.47slackd00d= P
08:15.48zakameheh
08:15.52Flimzyhilikus: it can be... if slack is poorly configured.
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08:16.06hilikuswell then, lol that says somethin about me
08:16.07Flimzyhilikus: Debian can also be slower than Windows... if Debian is poorly configured. :P
08:16.45takatumiand infering from that Windows will be faster if properly configured?
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08:16.56takatumi!lose
08:16.56dpkgrumour has it, lose is see windows.
08:17.26johnnySTIs there some webmail software inluded in debian sarge?
08:17.28hilikusis it possible to have windows properly configured?
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08:17.39johnnySTopenwebmail is gone that I used.
08:18.20takatumi!info openwebmail
08:18.25dpkgopenwebmail: (WebMail based on Neomail), section web, is optional. Version: 2.41-10 (sid), Packaged size: 6459 kB, Installed size: 40764 kB
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08:19.04johnnySTtakatumi, that is sid.
08:19.16maxhis there a command/script with which i can request the IP address of an interface?
08:19.21takatumi!info openwebmail sarge
08:19.28mostymaxh, ifconfig
08:19.40takatumijohnnyST: yeah, tough luck.
08:19.54maxhmosty: ifconfig provided too much info. i just need somthing like eth0=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
08:20.15maxhi don't wanted to code a script if there exists already one
08:20.17FlimzyI guess vorsprung didn't like my webmail offer :P
08:20.32Flimzymaxh: ifconfig eth0 | grep ip ?
08:20.44johnnySTtakatumi, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=291478
08:21.10johnnySTtakatumi, and I have installed it on servers before not good when it was still in sarge..
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08:21.29takatumigrep inet rather
08:21.49Flimzytakatumi: sure, whatever it says :P
08:21.58maxhFlimzy: hehe, i already was that far. but i'm too lazy to dig into awk/sed or seomthing to get out the IP ;-)  - i just was too lazy and thought i ask before i psend 30 minutes into a scrit
08:22.09takatumijohnnyST: I am sure there are other clients packaged. I don't use them.
08:22.51andaxi'm looking for a "beautiful" webmail application. anything that "looks better" (huh) than squirrelmail will be fine... any ideas?
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08:22.58Flimzymaxh: ifconfig eth0 | grep inet | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d' ' -f1
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08:23.24Flimzymaxh: echo eth0=`ifconfig eth0 | grep inet | cut -d: -f1 | cut -d' ' -f1`
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08:23.35Flimzymaxh: that's the lazy/gross way to do it :P
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08:25.07maxhFlimzy: thx. hehe i forgot about cut
08:25.28jm_or /msg dpkg myip
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08:25.57maxhjm_ thx that is what i was lookng for
08:25.57takatumialthough that won't give you an ip if you are behind a dsl router.
08:26.39takatumijm_: sorry, that was for dpkg :)
08:26.53jm_takatumi: no worries
08:27.17GuvvyHello all
08:28.24Flimzyifconfig eth0 | perl -ne 'if(/inet addr:([\d\.]+)/) { print "eth0=$1\n"; }'
08:28.31GuvvyHave a question about "modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-108"
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08:28.44FlimzyGuvvy: okay
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08:30.35GuvvyI tried to 'alias' it to ppp_generic but it wouldn't do it, seems like there's a tag on the first line that tells update-modules not to do anything - any ideas?
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08:31.24Guvvylack of a tag, in fact
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08:33.20nottyhello: i have a problem.. when i try to mount a .cue image i get this error: ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy any ideea why ?
08:34.01hilikuswhat file do i change my default window manager?
08:34.24hilikusis it Xsession
08:35.08streuner_!wm
08:35.08dpkgto set your system-wide default window manager, use "update-alternatives --config x-window-manager". or "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager"  For your personal WM, use ~/.xsession if you use xdm or kdm (or gdm with a "Debian session") 'startx' reads .xsession or .xinitrc; "apt-cache showpkg x-window-manager" will give you a list of available WMs.
08:35.08FlimzyGuvvy: I'm sorry, I don't know
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08:37.53revenger_how can I figure out if a machine supports 64 bit?
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08:38.14revenger_or better if a box is able to address more than 4gb ram?
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08:38.30revenger_32bit machines are only able to manage 4gb afaik
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08:39.24dracat least 2.6x kernel has support for over 4gb..
08:39.25mostyrevenger, what is the cpu?
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08:39.57revenger_mosty: the cpu/processor/central processing unit
08:40.15revenger_drac: well depends if the machine is able to address it..
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08:40.30revenger_64bit xeon supports more memory than a 32bit one..
08:41.21mostyrevenger, i know what cpu's are. i'm asking which cpu you're trying to figure out is 32/64bit
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08:41.57takatumirevenger_: amd64 might be a good option.
08:42.07revenger_mosty: both actually
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08:43.36vchrizzhow much packages are already available to use 64bit? i dont even know one (except for kernel :P)
08:44.01takatumivchrizz: ~95%
08:44.04revenger_vchrizz: enough
08:44.12takatumiof unstable branch.
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08:45.25takatumi!amd64
08:45.26dpkgsomebody said amd64 was See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html See http://debian-amd64.alioth.debian.org/install-images/ for ISOs. unofficial at the moment, will be a supported arch on Etch (Sarge + 1)
08:45.42usr010just thinking... whats the buzz about ipv6 , iplementation wise. im just a dumb gnub but, doesnt this make a bigger network? how does that help me host a worldwide apacheserver, ftp, ssh, what have mheh
08:46.02takatumiGuvvy: keep it on main please.
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08:46.36ukhI need a tool to check the sanity of pdf documents - i.e. illegal constucts, embedded fonts, whatever - anyone?
08:46.38takatumiGuvvy: ask the whole channel, you'll get better answers.
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08:47.18idnarusr010: the main reason for ipv6 is that we're running out of ipv4 addresses in a bad way
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08:47.56GuvvyI have a syslog entry "modprobe: Can't locate module char-major-108" ??? anyone run into this problem??
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08:48.29FlimzyMmmm... speed control works
08:48.40FlimzyGuvvy: is that module present?
08:48.59FlimzyGuvvy: and did you try google?
08:49.13Guvvyno, but ppp_generic is but the kernel seems to ignore this fact
08:49.14mike_hi, i just installed gdesklets, i'd like to use the starter bar, and it says that i don't have a sensor, when i installed gdesklets-data, shouldn't it have installed the sensor for that?
08:49.40Flimzyppp_generic?  Isn't the module called just 'ppp'?
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08:50.03Flimzydid you alias to 'ppp' or 'ppp_generic'?
08:50.39GuvvyOh yes, google came up with 7900 hits - pretty much all say "alias char-major-108 ppp_generic"
08:50.51Flimzyhehe
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08:51.04FlimzyI rarely use modules
08:51.08Flimzyso I really don't know
08:51.22Guvvyproblem is, my system won't let me update the modules.conf file
08:51.23Flimzywhy not just compile ppp support into your kernel?  I suspect you use it all the time, so there's no real advantage to it being modular, is there?
08:52.08FlimzyHmm... apparantly different drives respond differently to hdparm -E
08:52.27Flimzyone drive is still ripping at ~4x, even when set to 1x.  The other is ripping at ~1.2x
08:52.38hilikusi cant seem to get blackbox to work, it always insists on using kde or gnome. i did "update-alternatives --config x-session-manager" and there are only 2 selections, kde or gnome :(
08:52.52takatumiGuvvy: this kind of explains your dreamy state. http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/07/msg02093.html
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08:53.17Flimzyhilikus: you can use blackbox with kde or gnome
08:53.34Flimzyhilikus: KDE and Ghome are _Desktop Environments_.  blackbox is a _window manager_
08:53.35jm_hilikus: blackbox is a window manager, so update-alternatives --config x-window-manager and your *DM has to start the session that honours this setting, choose Default, Debian or somesuch in its menus
08:54.16mike_does anyone have any idea? im using "testing".
08:54.54hilikushow do i make it boot to the command prompt insted of a gui login
08:54.58Guvvyyeah, guess so......:'(
08:55.36takatumimike_: gdesklets and gdesklets-data should be all that is required, but then I could be just forgetful.
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08:57.22mike_takatumi: it says im missing a sensor or something.
08:57.25azreal!tell hilikus about xdm
08:57.28GuvvyWhat do I use to look at and modify the kernel?
08:57.32mike_takatumi: and i installed both of those
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08:57.49Flimzymike_: I'd try google
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08:58.24FlimzyGuvvy: apt-get install kernel-package is a good start
08:58.41GuvvyWhat do I use to look at and modify the kernel?
08:58.42FlimzyGuvvy: There should be appropriate documentation then in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package
08:58.57Guvvyok
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08:59.12takatumimike_: I haven't fiddled much with gdesklets to be honest. :)
08:59.14kneetmike_, I had the same prob - it has the sensor but the sensor tries to include xdg - have you got python-xdg installed?
08:59.22holy_cowbah sorry
08:59.24takatumimike_: but it did work.
08:59.31rellikFlimzy,  you still around?
08:59.33takatumimost of the time.
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09:00.35mike_kneet: w00t! thanks mate
09:00.42mike_that was the problem
09:00.55Guvvyok - I'll give that a try.....probably be back .....many times:-)
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09:01.20Flimzyrellik: yah
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09:01.36rellikFlimzy, I'm still trying to get that perl script to work..  two methods were suggested to me, but my scrollback doesn't go back that far :(..  I tried 'while (`echo "..." | netcat <host> <port>`) but that doesn't feed me the output from netcat..  it doens't really do anything, far as I can see..  do you remember the other suggestion?
09:01.44HeavenWarriorto what is supposed that debian:/home/arutha# modprobe snd-opl3sa2
09:01.44HeavenWarriorFATAL: Error inserting snd_opl3sa2 (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-686/kernel/sound/isa/snd-opl3sa2.ko): No such device
09:01.44HeavenWarriorFATAL: Error running install command for snd_opl3sa2
09:01.53MelsenIs there any command existing that allows me to see the current kernel configuration so I know that when I compile a new kernel that it then uses the same drivers and so on?
09:02.22Flimzyrellik: This would be better:   open FOO,"netcat blah blah blah |"; while(<FOO>) { }
09:02.44Flimzyrellik: Note the | char before the closing quote in the open
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09:03.09kneetmike_, BTS #292825
09:04.13kneetA different view of what a dependency is than me - but there you go
09:06.11rellikFlimzy, great, thanks, I'll give that some work :)
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09:06.48azrealMelsen: use the .config file in the kernel source tree, google for "make oldconfig"
09:06.53tentenhi.. i forgot my root password what can i do ?
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09:07.51Flimzyrellik: the backticks are used to read the entire output to a single variable... as in  $foo=`some command`;
09:07.58Flimzyrellik: Probably not what you want for netcat.
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09:09.00rellikFlimzy, is this right?  I'm not getting the output I was expecting: open SEEK, "echo -e \"GET /seek42.php?q=\"$seek42_string\"&E=0&N=-1&X=-1&r=&S=c&res=1&dash=0 HTTP/1.1\nHost: $HOST\n\" | netcat $HOST $PORT |"; while (<SEEK>) {}
09:10.17Flimzyrellik: looks right... Try it with something simpler first, tho.  i.e. don't put any $vars in the command
09:10.27Flimzyrellik: start simple, then build up
09:11.09dawgrellik, use IPC::Open2 or IPC::Open3 and remove the echo part
09:11.15FlimzyIt might be simpler to open a socket in perl natively
09:11.27FlimzyI'm not sure how that's done, but I'm sure it's possible
09:11.28rellikoh, here's my problem,...  I had nested while loops, both while(<STDIN>)....  forgot to replace the second
09:11.54rellikdawg, what's that?
09:12.03Flimzywhat's what?
09:12.19rellikdawg's references
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09:12.24Flimzyoh
09:12.32dawgrellik, considering what you seem to be doing, LWP::Useragent might be what you want, or if you really require lower level control IO::Socket::INET
09:12.37FlimzyIPC::Open2 and IPC::Open3 allow for bi-directional communication.
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09:13.06FlimzyThen you could do something like IPC::Open2(SEEK,"netcat $host $port"); print SEEK "GET foo bar blah";
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09:13.20FlimzyI've never actually used those... haven't had the need yet
09:13.25dawgrellik, actually it's LWP::UserAgent
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09:13.38rellikah cool, thanks
09:13.59Flimzyrellik: I suggest dawg's latest suggestion... should be much more efficient than running netcat anyway
09:14.03rellikactually fixing the nested while's to both be: while(<SEEK>) {} fixed me right up :)
09:14.29Flimzyopening a socket in perl directly will be much faster, and use less memory.  If you care :)
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09:14.57FlimzyBut then... there's always more than one way to do it in perl...
09:15.02rellikhmmm...  as much as I love sockets... :)
09:15.10karamelosis there some program to check a video file integrity?
09:16.08Flimzykaramelos: xine?  hehe
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09:16.57hilikusi cant get rid of xdm
09:17.02Flimzykaramelos: mplayer probably has an option to not display video output
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09:17.05hilikusi did a apt-get remove xdm and its still there
09:17.09Flimzyhilikus: dpkg --purge xdm
09:17.15hilikustryed that also
09:17.17Flimzyhilikus: or dpkg --remove xdm
09:17.23Flimzythen it should be gone
09:17.27Flimzyunless it gave an error
09:17.32Flimzyor you installed XDM independant of dpkg
09:17.35resiak...or unless it's a different ?dm
09:18.12Flimzykaramelos: perhaps -dumpstream would be of use (not sure, haven't tried it)
09:18.19hilikusit says its removed, im restarting to again to see if it shows up
09:18.34Flimzyhilikus: restarting?  isn't that overkill?
09:18.35karamelosa video I downloaded is played back slowly, and I fear it has some indexing information or other metadata crap corrupted.
09:18.58commonwhich player?
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09:19.05Flimzykaramelos: Or it may be that your CPU/video hardware/other hardware can't handle all of it.
09:19.10commonmplayer > *
09:19.14Flimzykaramelos: first, try another player (xine or mplayer... whichever you haven't tried yet)
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09:19.26Flimzykaramelos: second, try tweaking playback options
09:19.50karamelosi tried xine and mplayer. i tried tweaking options too. other videos play back nice, but this one, crawls.
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09:20.28hilikusi still get a gui login screen
09:20.38hilikuslooks the same
09:20.45Flimzykaramelos: As a last resort, you could try running it thru transcode (sort of like sox for video) and convert it to another format/codec, and see if the resulting file plays any better
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09:20.57Flimzyhilikus: You may have kdm or gdm installed, or some other *dm
09:21.06hilikusya i think it used kdm
09:21.07Flimzyhilikus: Before you try removing them, why not find out which one you're using?
09:21.23hilikusright before it kicked into the gui i saw kdm
09:21.30karamelosgood idea Flimzy
09:21.51Flimzykaramelos: as a very very last resort, try playing it in Windows :P
09:22.07karamelosi have, windows is a crap playing videos.
09:22.29hilikusbut just to be sure how would i check? when i log on its gdm
09:22.36Flimzykaramelos: mplayer/mencoder also has some limited support for changing formats, if transcode doesn't work.
09:22.54Flimzyhilikus: Once you're logged in, you're not using gdm any more.
09:23.16Flimzyhilikus: An easy way to tell if you're running kdm or gdm or whatever is to look at ps's output.
09:23.22Flimzyhilikus: ps auxw | grep kdm, for example
09:23.30hilikusi can see gdm in top
09:23.44Flimzyhilikus: that works, too.  So GDM is running.
09:24.05hilikusya its gdm
09:24.12resiakhilikus: So... stop it!
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09:25.01hilikusso how do i replace it with blackbox
09:25.23resiakhilikus: Uh, you don't. Blackbox is a desktop "environment", GDM is a login manager
09:25.24Flimzyhilikus: You don't.
09:25.30Flimzyhilikus: gdm and blackbox are completely different things.
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09:25.44Flimzyresiak: No, Blackbox is a window manager.
09:25.52resiakFlimzy: My bad.
09:26.02directhex|work!rmssmite resiak
09:26.03Flimzyhilikus: Replacing GDM with Blackbox is like replacing your blender with a pickup truck.
09:26.17resiakFlimzy: The same way that Fluxbox is just a WM?
09:26.24Flimzyresiak: yes.
09:26.31Flimzyresiak: KDE and Gnome are desktop environments.
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09:26.35faxohi people
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09:26.50FlimzyEither one can use any window manager, including Fluxbox or Blackbox or whatever
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09:27.07resiakFlimzy: I realise that they're DEs.
09:27.15hello_worldi am using blackbox now
09:27.19FlimzyIf you used Linux > 3 years ago, you'd know the difference :P
09:27.23Flimzyb/c nobody used DEs then
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09:27.40resiakFlimzy: Yeah, shush. :)
09:28.16faxowhat is the command to configure the sound under debian ?
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09:28.27Flimzyfaxo: There's not a specific command to do that.
09:28.35FlimzyCorel Linux?
09:28.42faxodebian
09:28.45FlimzyWhere did that come from?
09:28.55Flimzyfaxo: Yeah, this is #Debian.
09:28.59hilikusok but ive got all the gnome menues and things like that, i want to use black box
09:29.37Flimzyhilikus: Then get rid of gnome, not gdm.
09:29.40resiakA hugely retarded Debian derivative that was my first experience with this wonderful platform.
09:29.44Flimzyhile_: You can use Gnome *and* blackbox
09:29.48Flimzyer
09:29.48hilikusthank you, that was my confusion
09:29.54Flimzyhilikus: You can use gnome *and* blackbox
09:30.03faxoFlimzy,  yeah :)
09:30.04Flimzyhilikus: Just like you can use a blender *and* own a pickup truck.
09:30.07hilikusi want it like this. http://www.linuxfan.pl/screns/blackbox.gif
09:30.18resiakFlimzy: You _can_? Damn! I sold my blender!
09:30.35directhex|workhilikus, in gdm, click 'sessions' to pick which window manager to use.
09:31.01nottyi have a bluetooth usb device from msi, any ideea how can i use it on debian to transferr files from/to my phone ?
09:31.10directhex|worknotty, yes!
09:31.23hilikusive got gnome, gnome chooser, debian, kde, xsession, failsafe gnome, and failsafe xterm
09:31.24hello_worldin gdm, what is the meaning of sessions?
09:31.26Flimzywell I believe I've determined that my DVD/CD-RW combo drive that 95% of the time refuses to burn anything is much faster and less error-prone at audio CD ripping than my brand new 16x dual-layer DVD burner.  *sigh*
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09:32.11FlimzyI wish my 48x CD-ROM drive still worked.  I could rip with that, too.
09:32.17directhex|workhilikus, write the correct command to launch blackboc into ~/.Xsession, then use the xsession option
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09:33.17nottydirecthex|work, how do i do that ? any aplication ?
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09:33.44directhex|worknotty, add "deb http://debian.usefulinc.com/gnome ./" to /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get install gnome-bluetooth. that will give you the gnome-obex-send app
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09:34.02JohnFluxHey all
09:34.08directhex|worknotty, http://usefulinc.com/software/gnome-bluetooth
09:34.16hilikusthere is a bunch of code in my /etc/X11/Xsession
09:34.22JohnFluxIs it possible to view the contents of a multisession cd
09:34.23hilikusit starts with set -e
09:34.34JohnFluxi only see the first session when i mount it
09:34.37hilikusthen goes to message () {
09:34.37JohnFluxuh i mean dvd
09:34.41Flimzyhilikus: You weren't listening.....
09:34.48Flimzyhilikus: Edit ~/.Xsession, not /etc/X11/Xsession
09:35.21Flimzyhilikus: You probably never want to edit anything in /etc/X11 manually, unless you really know what you're doing.
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09:36.14directhex|workwhy don't people listen, especially when given -SPECIFIC- instructions?
09:37.10resiakThis is the conundrum that has puzzled mankind since ... some time long ago.
09:37.15hilikusi can not locate the file; vi ~/.Xsession just makes me a new file
09:37.22Flimzyhilikus: good
09:37.30hilikusok
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09:37.43Flimzyhilikus: So then write the correct command there... just like s/he told you to
09:37.50directhex|workit.
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09:39.06takatumiit.?
09:39.07nottyanother problem, when i try to isntall something with apt-get i get this error: debconf: unable to initialize frontend: Kde / debconf: (Can't locate Qt.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/l ib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Fro ntEnd/Kde/Wizard.pm line 7, <> line 47.)
09:39.41takatumiyou probably need to set it to dialog
09:40.09directhex|worknotty, you selected the QT front-end for debconf. you can change it with dpkg-reconfigure debconf, or get the packages you're missing to use the qt front-end
09:40.50nottyany ideea what packages i miss ?
09:40.53directhex|worklibqt-perl
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09:41.55hilikusso i can just put in /usr/bin/blackbox
09:42.23takatumihilikus: you are going to put something there?
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09:42.58directhex|workis there some kind of 'startblackbox' command, startkde style?
09:42.58hilikuswell i was looking for the correct command
09:43.19takatumihilikus: if you mean in ~/.Xsession "exec /usr/bin/blackbox"
09:43.24takatumino no
09:43.29takatumithats startx
09:43.40hilikushmm
09:43.41hilikusk
09:43.57takatumihilikus: how are you starting X?
09:44.11directhex|workehm... blackbox provides a /usr/share/xsessions/blackbox.desktop
09:44.17directhex|workis this a woody desktop? -_-
09:44.29hilikusit starts up into a gdm gui login. but i would like to to just go to a command prompt
09:44.53directhex|workyou never said you wanted just a command prompt login. apt-get remove gdm.
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09:45.11directhex|workand use ~/.xinitrc instead of ~/.Xsession
09:45.33directhex|workyou can also change the system-wide default window manager with update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
09:45.43hilikusk
09:45.45directhex|workit is a shitting woody desktop. ARGH
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09:46.20NicoBehlo, I need help with a setup of postfix+ldap anybody ?
09:46.22takatumihilikus: you're better off upgrading to sarge, /msg dpkg d-i
09:46.31takatumino not d-i
09:46.35directhex|work!woody desktop
09:46.35dpkgIf you're running a desktop machine, odds are you want to install Sarge instead. However, if you really require the stability that woody offers, you can install woody. If you do, please don't complain to Debian about the age of software in stable, etc.
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09:46.48takatumi/msg dpkg woody->sarge
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09:47.05Melsenhey azreal - Can I PM you please regarding kernel config?
09:47.05directhex|worksomeone changed my ranty factoid. no fair.
09:47.12hilikusok
09:47.14cievoall: hello
09:47.19hilikusill do that when i get my nic working
09:47.24Rebeccaum, im running sarge and i want to upgrade a single package to the latest version (unstable?), how can i do this?
09:47.29cievoall: did your icq go down just couple minutes ago ?
09:47.51resiakcievo: My AIM did. I don't think this is really relevant to #debian though.
09:47.54directhex|workRebecca, grab the .deb file from an ftp and dpkg -i it, or set up a sid/sarge mix system
09:47.54takatumihilikus: then you're probably better off with /msg dpkg d-i
09:48.06directhex|workyour nic doesn't work? great!
09:48.06cievoresiak: I knobut I just wondered :) sorry
09:48.10directhex|work!woody hardware support
09:48.11dpkgsomebody said woody hardware support was firmly rooted around its freeze date - January 2002. It won't support new graphics cards (Geforce 4 or higher), disk controllers (Serial ATA), disks over 137Gb (LBA48), sound cards (nForce2), ethernet (e100, forcedeth), etc. Just run Sarge.
09:48.11hilikuslol
09:48.40cievoRebecca: :)
09:48.41directhex|work!d-i hilikus
09:48.42dpkghilikus, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
09:49.05hilikusive got a d-link 530tx lying around, im pretty sure it uses the via rhine drivers
09:49.45Melsenquestion - I need to recompile a new kernel. I do not have an old .config file since this is a precompiled compact kernel from debian 3.0r4 release. Now, I have all the new kernel source but no existing .config file I can use for comparisation. What do I do to make sure I get a proper and well functioning kernel with the 'same' drivers?
09:49.52cievoRebecca: change /etc/apt/source.list to testing and then apt-get update; apt-get install PACKAGE and then change it back to previous and then apt-get update....
09:50.20resiak!tell Rebecca about quick sid/sarge mix
09:50.21takatumiMelsen: check if you have a config in /boot/config-2.x.x.x
09:50.22directhex|workMelsen, kernel .config files go in /boot/
09:50.35Melsenok.. sec
09:50.48takatumidirecthex|work: using xchat?
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09:51.12directhex|worktakatumi, potentially. why?
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09:51.19jair_11helo?
09:51.28resiakcievo: Rebecca's already on testing.
09:51.36jair_11anybody here has play with FreeNX server?
09:51.37takatumior you actually changed the default ":" to "," in irssi?
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09:51.59jair_11I am trying to run for first time the freeNX server.
09:52.04cievoall...did you hear about stupid amin from asia...some guy wanted to donate some $ to people where tsunami was. He used LYNX to browse pages and admin of tat server sent police to get that 'hacker' :)
09:52.10Melsentakatumi : I have two files... config-2.2.20-compact and vmlinuz-2.2.20-compact (this is running through vmware btw... )
09:52.15resiakcievo: It was allegedly London, actually.
09:52.31cievoresiak: I just read it...
09:52.43resiakcievo: Meh, I read it about a week ago. I think it's a hoax anyway.
09:52.47Melsentakatumi : I just use the config-2.2.20-compact then?
09:52.48takatumiMelsen: the config-2.2.20 is your old config, which kernel-source are you trying to compile?
09:52.52directhex|workcievo, that was London, and an unofficial statement from the metropolitan police says 'we're not COMPLETELY inept. use lynx with impunity.'
09:52.55Melsen2.4.19
09:53.02cievo:-D
09:53.11directhex|workMelsen, you can't use 2.foo configs with 2.bar kernels
09:53.18nottyi am trying to mount an image but i get this error: # mount /mnt/d/Games/linux/uplink/Uplink.iso01.iso /mnt/cdrom/ -o loop=/dev/loop0 ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy
09:53.21cievoall...does anyone have any experience with Citrix under linux ?
09:53.31Melsentakatumi : Is that a problem then? Since the old config file is 2.2 and the new is 2.4 ?
09:53.39directhex|workMelsen, yes, as i just said.
09:53.41Melsendirecthex|work: Oh darn.. what do I do then?
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09:53.51directhex|workMelsen, you could apt-get install a kernel
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09:53.58directhex|workMelsen, is this a desktop or a server?
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09:54.14Melsendirecthex|work - Server.. running through vmware
09:54.27Melsendirecthex|work: which is why the drivers might be a bit critical =)
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09:54.48resiakMelsen: The stock kernels work in VMware...
09:54.53directhex|workMelsen, you could apt-get install a woody 2.4 kernel, then use the config file from that as a basis in compiling up a 2.4.29
09:55.14directhex|workresiak, i got solaris 10 installed in vmware :P
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09:55.26Melsenresiak: stock kernels?
09:55.47resiak:win directhex|work
09:56.00resiakMelsen: Ignore me.  directhex|work is far more on the case :)
09:56.07Melsenhehe.. ok
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09:56.16resiakBah, :/! dichotomy.
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09:56.23Melsendirecthex|work: the 2.4.19, ain't that a woody kernel???
09:56.53directhex|workMelsen, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4
09:57.46Melsendirecthex|work: Hrmm.. 2.4.19 ain't even mentioned there
09:57.58hello_worldhow do u backup your debian?
09:58.17directhex|workMelsen, 2.4.19 is only for some architectures, in woody, if memory serves
09:58.43MelsenOh boy... this is so confusing.
09:58.49resiakMelsen: Are you on Woody?
09:58.56directhex|workyes he is resiak
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09:59.16resiakdirecthex|work: Oh. I thought the opposite from 09:56 < Melsen> directhex|work: the 2.4.19, ain't that a woody kernel???
09:59.17MelsenNo idea.. this was a precompiled kernel from the latest Debian iso image... 30r4
09:59.23jair_11anyone here have been installed freNX server?
09:59.27resiak!slap me
09:59.39jair_11I need some help on the configuration.
09:59.41directhex|workMelsen, for varying values of 'latest'
09:59.42hello_worldwhat is freNX server do?
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09:59.59Melsenok, so I just stick with this kernel-source-2.4.19 2.4.19-4.woody2
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10:00.05Melsen?
10:00.10Flimzyhello_world: By copying all of your important files to a secure location.
10:00.24Melsenlol@flimzy
10:00.28Flimzyhello_world: You might look into the program 'amanda' if you want some automated backup tool. I've never used it, but it's popular.
10:00.39hello_worldthx
10:00.46jm_hello_world: it's a free implementation of www.nomachine.com server
10:00.47directhex|workMelsen, as i said, if you install a woody 2.4 kernel image, then you can use the .config file it creates in /boot/ as a basis for compiling any other 2.4 kernel image as you see fit. 2.4.29 is the latest 2.4 kernel on kernel.org
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10:01.11directhex|workMelsen, be aware that anything other than 2.4.29 or debian kernels are insecure
10:01.21MelsenOk.. but I just wanna make sure.. when you say basis.. do you just mean look at it for info, or.. actually copying it into the kernel-source dir?
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10:02.12takatumiMelsen: copy it no probs
10:02.32directhex|workMelsen, actually copying it into the kernel source directory, and using 'make oldconfig' to re-use the old config & add entries for new things
10:02.35dukelocalhost never goes beyond the router, right?
10:02.53dukeand is faster than a domain name
10:03.27nottyi am trying to mount an image but i get this error: # mount /mnt/d/Games/linux/uplink/Uplink.iso01.iso /mnt/cdrom/ -o loop=/dev/loop0 ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy
10:03.27MelsenAhh... here we go.
10:03.35wkHi, I would need to get some clarification on how apt-listbugs classifies bugs. Mainly I'm not sure how to understand "*grave* bugs". Does it mean that the bug is already solved/"dead" (so why to mention it at all then?) or does it mean that this bug is very, very critical and could led to a dead system?
10:03.47MelsenWould you mind if I asked you guys about some of the new config issues in the kernel... since I have no clue what I'm doing or what they mean?
10:03.59MelsenMachine Check Exception (CONFIG_X86_MCE) [N/y/?] (NEW) ???
10:04.00directhex|workMelsen, what exactly are you doing?
10:04.09Melsenmake oldconfig
10:04.18Melsennow I get a buncha questions....
10:04.21directhex|workMelsen, i mean in general
10:04.26directhex|workwhy install woody in vmware?
10:04.30MelsenWell.. the thing is
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10:04.47MelsenI need a base server image for running debian servers in a vmware environment
10:05.07MelsenWhen I clone an server image in vmware, I wanna clone it from an update base server installation with debian
10:05.20MelsenBut.. I need something called vmware-tools installed to be able to clone the image
10:05.28Melsenand vmware-tools don't compile on 2.2 kernels
10:05.33Melsenwhich is why I need a 2.4 kernel
10:05.39Melsenwhich again is why I'm trying to compile it now =)
10:05.49timoMelsen, so install woody with 2.4
10:05.59MelsenI'm trying to =)
10:06.00holy_cowmelsen your installing linux on vmware?
10:06.05Melsenyes
10:06.09directhex|workMelsen, you can install a pre-compiled 2.4 in woody
10:06.10holy_cowyou need to install a distro first
10:06.15holy_cowthen from the distro access the cdrom
10:06.23MelsenI have a debian 30r4 installed right now
10:06.24holy_cowon the cdrom is a vmware tools installer
10:06.27MelsenI just wanna upgrade the kernel there
10:06.30holy_cowfor windows it downloads it online
10:06.35directhex|workMelsen, apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4, apt-get install one of them (i.e. kernel-image-2.4.18-1-386)
10:06.49directhex|workholy_cow, yes, and vmware-tools needs 2.4, as just said.
10:07.12holy_cowwell you only need tools for x
10:07.24resiakYou don't _need_ vmware-tools at all.
10:07.28resiakThey're just nice :)
10:07.35MelsenI need them resiak
10:07.39holy_cowyou can upgrade kernel via command line as suggested if you have your network card working?
10:07.54Melsenbecause if they aren't installed, then I can't start up the guest customization wizard through virtual center in vmware
10:07.55resiakMelsen: Okay, okay.
10:08.08Melsenand if I can't start that up.. I can't adjust things like partition size and yada yada yada =)
10:08.09Melsenhehe
10:08.25resiak:)
10:08.31holy_cowits runin in vmware
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10:08.35holy_cowwhat partition are you resizing?
10:08.43ippHello all
10:08.44directhex|workMelsen, i've given you the easy option. in fact, if you installed a 2.4 kernel, jsut reboot the guest machine into 2.4
10:08.49holy_cowthat makes no sense
10:09.02Melsendirecthex|work: hehe.. 2 secs =)
10:09.02directhex|workholy_cow, shhh now
10:09.48Melsenholy_cow: My current base installation is on an image with a 4 gig paritiion.. but if I suddenly need a server with 10gig.. I got a problem when I clone it.. because it's locked to 4 gig without vmware-tools installed to be able to customize it during cloning =)
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10:10.06holy_cowwhy do you need to repartition a 'fake' file system?
10:10.26Melsenthats how it works when doing disk access in a raid system...
10:10.28Melsenerr...
10:10.28ippHello all where (in what chanel) can I ask a question about ncurses development?
10:10.35Melsennevermind.. just trust me when I say I need it =)
10:10.37Melsenhehe
10:10.39holy_cowk :)
10:10.59Melsendirecthex|work: Do all kernels support SCSI access?
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10:11.05Flimzyipp: #C might be a good place to start.
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10:11.22Flimzyipp: If it's very ncurses-specific, you may have to ask on an ncurses development mailing list or somesuch
10:11.40Melsendirecthex|work: Would this work you think?: kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
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10:12.01FlimzyMelsen: All (modern) kernel versions have the possibility for SCSI support, if it's enabled at compiletime.
10:12.10MelsenCool
10:12.11Melsenthanks
10:12.13ippFlimzy: Thanks
10:12.25FlimzyMelsen: If you're using a precompiled kernel, most (if not all) available SCSI drivers should be available as modules.
10:12.48Melsen*gulps* Well.. now we'll see...
10:12.51Melseninstalling it now =)
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10:18.07MelsenOh PLEASE make this work =) hehehe *crosses his fingers*
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10:20.51toboI want to upgrade my nfsv3 system to v4 and i was wondering if there's a debian specific guide on setting up nfsv4?
10:21.01azrealanyone have any experience with festival, i want to use mbrola, what is the best way to go about it? im thinking i should just compile festival myself, becaus eif i modify the debian install, it just gets hosed sooner or later, and its a pain in the butt to fix it again.
10:21.42miqer<PROTECTED>
10:21.42simonrvntobo: NAFAIK. why debian specific?
10:21.56MelsenJuuuust great... now it didn't find my network card... *curses*
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10:22.30tobosimonrvn: just want to se what packages i'm required to install and mostly i want the locations of the config files for debian, often differs between distros
10:22.38toboin my experience at least
10:22.59holy_cowMelsen,  woody installer?
10:23.15jm_miqer: no, you can put on user in two groups, while the other is only in one group so ..
10:23.17Melsenya
10:23.23simonrvntobo: oh, bof, easiest way to figure out the conf locations is with dpkg -L <package> ;)
10:23.24jm_miqer=on=one
10:23.31jm_blah
10:23.38Melsenused kernel-image-2.4.18-1-686 - Linux kernel image 2.4.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/PIV.
10:23.41holy_cowit doesn't detect anything unfortunately, you haveto manually tell it which modules you need :/
10:23.48Melsenargh
10:23.50tobosimonrvn: aha, you live you learn =)
10:24.12miqerjm: the one in two groups will have more rights than the other one?
10:24.13MelsenSo.. how do I fix this then? :)
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10:24.33miqerjm_: thank you
10:24.49jm_miqer: well that user will have access to files that are owned by either group
10:24.51Rebeccais there an easy way to change the repository from testing to unstable?
10:24.57simonrvntobo: :)
10:25.02Flimzymiqer: Usually each user is in their own group in Debian... so user 'jon' is in group 'jon', and user 'bob' is in group 'bob'.  Just add 'bob' to group 'jon' as well, then bob can modify jon's files, but jon can't modify bob's
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10:25.19Flimzymiqer: If they're not already in groups like that, you can create them as needed.
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10:26.06JennsHey all, will sarge automagically discover a windows installation and setup lilo to boot it during install?
10:26.25jm_Jenns: Sarge defaults to GRUB
10:26.26miqerflimzy: thank you
10:26.35Jennsok
10:26.51FlimzyI think it's time for me to sleep... about 4 hours ago
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10:26.56vdshi all
10:27.06amybis Grub better than lilo? as in, I am doing a ditribution upgrade from woody to sarge and then a kernel update and an fairly new. will grub be easier?
10:27.20Jennsjm_: Will it offer to automagically configure GRUB for me?
10:27.28FlimzyI hate getting caught up in a programming project... I always for get to eat and sleep
10:27.46vdscan I ask how many of you use antiviruses with linux ? does it make sense to protect a debian with an av? which one would you suggest ?
10:27.49Flimzyamyb: grub has more features.
10:27.55jm_Jenns: I think it does, but I never used it
10:28.05Flimzyamyb: Whether's its easier than lilo is debatable (this debate took place on this chan a couple hours ago)
10:28.05Jennsok :-)
10:28.23amybFlimzy, ahh, well I don't want to reignite a discussion (or flamewar :) )
10:28.52jm_Jenns: it's trivial to add later anyway
10:28.53amybhow about an easier question, if i do a kernel upgrade using apt-get, will it automagically update lilo or will I do to do some stuff manually to make it boot the new kernel?
10:29.00Jennsyup, :-)
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10:29.25jm_amyb: kernel-images or custom kernels made with make-kpkg will do that
10:29.50amybthanks jm_ . I am a bit nervous because this is my first time messing with the kernel.
10:29.58faxohow do i configure alsa ?
10:30.00Flimzyamyb: yes
10:30.19jm_amyb: so keep the old one in lilo
10:30.20takatumiamyb: /etc/kernel-img.conf controls that.
10:30.47Flimzyamyb: If you use kernel-package (or a prebuilt image), it will automatically update lilo, and leave a backup of your old kernel there, too.
10:31.05Flimzyamyb: So if you can't boot from the new kernel for some reason, you can choose the backup one from the lilo menu when you reboot again.
10:31.17resiakvds: Antivirus for GNU/Linux?  Heh.  The only anti-virus packages as far as I know are to expunge Windows viruses from files.
10:31.38amybahhh. that makes me feel a lot easier about this, Flimzy
10:31.58Rebeccaim trying to upgrade a testing package to unstable. is there an apt-get command that tells it to use the unstable version rather than testing?
10:32.05Flimzyvds: It is _nearly_ impossible for Unix to become infected with viruses.
10:32.35FlimzyRebecca: one package, or your whole system?
10:32.39resiak!tell Rebecca about quick sid/sarge mix
10:32.45Rebeccaa single package
10:32.46Jennsvds: there is a program to check for rootkits floating around, are you after something that scans for windows viruses under linux or just for linux based exploits?
10:32.48amyber sorry, let me disable that script
10:33.07resiakamyb: I was about to say...
10:33.19takatumiamyb: were you a bot in your earlier incarnation?
10:33.32resiakRebecca: I !told you about that earlier :)
10:33.33Rebeccaum.. those instructions refer to files i dont have... is that ok?
10:33.47resiakRebecca: Yes, it's fine that apt.conf doesn't exist yet.
10:33.57resiakRebecca: The others should exist.
10:34.18amybtakatumi just an old script for another irdc network. I haven't used mirc under windows in a very long time. forgot about it
10:34.47takatumiamyb: mirc..bleh.
10:34.59amybI'm a reformed windows user.
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10:35.19takatumiamyb: rehabilitated.
10:35.55Rebeccawhich lines in /etc/apt/sources.list are sarge? and how do i change said lines to sid?
10:36.04resiakRebecca: The ones that mention testing
10:36.12Rebeccaoh
10:36.14resiakRebecca: /join #flood and paste it.
10:36.14jm_Rebecca: don't do it if ou don't know that
10:36.25resiakjm_: You're probably right.
10:36.44Flimzyamyb: A reformed Windows user?  Wouldn't that mean that you've changed the way in which you use Windows?
10:36.49resiakRebecca: You'd probably be best off going to packages.debian.org/packagename and downloading the Sid .deb, then dpkg -i foo.deb
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10:38.05amybFlimzy, ok ok, how about ex-windows user? altho unfortunely I still have to use windows at work. (I cheat tho and SSH into my linux box at home cause it's quicker to do things tho)
10:38.28FlimzyRebecca: Be aware, however, that you may not be able to cleanly install an unstable package into testing if the unstable package depends on newer versions of other packages.  This is often a _very_ big problem when installing unstable/testing packages in stable, and sometimes a problem when installing unstable in testing.
10:38.50Flimzyamyb: "Converted Windows user" perhaps
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10:39.09Rebeccaresiak: ok, ill try that
10:39.15RebeccaFlimzy: ok
10:39.23Rebeccathe package is amule btw
10:39.36Flimzywhat is amule?
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10:39.49Flimzyah
10:39.50Flimzyhmm
10:39.58FlimzyI wonder if I should try that instead of MLDonkey
10:40.06Flimzynah... I like MLDonkey's web interface
10:40.11Flimzylet's me P2P remotely very nicely
10:40.26Flimzyoh wait
10:40.29FlimzyI'm looking at amule
10:40.31vdsresiak Flimzy Jenns : I'm looking at clamav for example, which scan the disk for viruses, I'm sure it is nearly useless, but in many public places like universities you have to have an av in order to connect your laptop to the network, no matter what os are you running
10:40.35Flimzynow I still wonder what emule is
10:40.54Flimzyvds: ClamAV scans for Windows viruses on your Linux machine
10:41.02resiakvds: You don't need it.
10:41.07Flimzyvds: Typically used for Linux fileservers (serving Windows clients) or to scan emails
10:41.15resiakvds: I'm at a uni, and they're fine with me not having any AV just because it's pointless.
10:41.43Flimzyvds: Just think about it... If you *did* by some strange chance get infected with a virus... you wouldn't be able to spread it to the Windows PCs on the network anyway.
10:41.47vdsresiak:  unfortunatly I know people not as lucky as you are :)
10:42.02Rebeccaemule is a windows port of amule.. or perhaps it's the other way around.. i forget
10:42.07Flimzyvds: Just tell them you have virus protection.  You'll be telling the truth
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10:42.12Jennsvds: Install apt-get install chkrootkit <-- closest thing I know of thats a virus scanner
10:42.19Jennsfor linux
10:42.22Phatedclamav?
10:42.23FlimzyRebecca: Well.. uh... amule is for Linux.  And if emule is a Windows port, then it obviously won't be in Debian.
10:42.43vdsI agree with all of you, but burocracy is blind you know, if there is a rule that says you have to run an av, well you have or no network connection :)
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10:42.51vdsJenns:  thanks
10:42.55resiakvds: What are you on about? Hit them with a stick!
10:43.06idnarRebecca: it's the other way around
10:43.06Usiuhow to connect two networks with stunnel ?
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10:43.20vdsin any case I'm happy that still in the 2005 linux doesn't need an antivirus :)
10:43.31idnarvds: how do you prove that you have AV software installed?
10:43.35Rebeccaidnar: ok
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10:44.49Jennshaha, create shell script called norton.exe that echos out "Scanning for Linux viruses.\n Oh Joy none are found!"
10:44.56Flimzyvbs: Then I suggest you write some Linux viruses so that there's a reason to scan for them.
10:45.19idnarthere are Linux viruses
10:45.19vdsidnar:  you have to run it in front of a sys admin
10:45.31idnarthey just have a hard time spreading, for obvious reasons
10:45.47Jennsvds: then my norton.exe idea will work perfectly :-)
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10:45.50Flimzyvbs: Because Unix is so fragmented, and because of it's security model, although some Linux viruses do exist, it is very difficult for them to propogate.
10:46.04Flimzyvbs: And when they do propogate, the damage they can do is very limited.
10:46.08idnarvds: echo "#!/bin/sh\nsleep 1000\necho No viruses found!"
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10:46.12Flimzyvbs: And they certianly won't spread to Windows computers.
10:46.25Flimzyvbs: Linux is far more frequently effected by Windows viruses than by Linux viruses.
10:46.25idnarvds: er, echo "..." > virus_scan; chmod +x virus_scan
10:46.39Flimzyvbs: Due to virus-based DOS attacks, port scans, etc.
10:48.13vdsI'm not saying there are good reasons behind that :) This kind of decisions are taken by people witout any technical skill
10:48.14azreali allways liked: "i have discovered a HUGE security hole in rm(1)!"
10:48.16Jennsvds: just run chkrootkit, it looks antivirusesy enough :-)
10:48.16holy_cowvds, just out of curiosity, how are they going to check?
10:48.23Flimzyvbs: apt-get install locate... it does a (by default) nightly scan of your hard drive... If there are any viruses on your HD at that point, they will be "scanned" :P
10:48.34holy_cowwhat exactly do they want, a signature on a paper or is someone actually going to inspect the laptop?
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10:48.47vdsholy_cow:  as I said you have to run an av in front of a sys admin
10:48.50Flimzyvds: The decisions are also made by people who aren't going to be logging into your laptop to make sure you comply with rules they don't understand.
10:49.00holy_cowvds, hehe
10:49.04holy_cowthats beyond stupid
10:49.06vdsthen send to him a email with the log
10:49.09Flimzyvds: Anyone stupid enough to require you to have AV software in Linux is also going to be too stupid to verify that you're in compliance.
10:49.16holy_cowsys admin is only an mcse?
10:49.17holy_cowwow
10:49.21vdsFlimzy:  right
10:49.37Flimzyvds: Another option: dual-boot, and put AVG on your Windows partition.
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10:49.41holy_cowFlimzy, hehe :) excellent point
10:49.42Flimzyvds: Then show them that when they ask.
10:50.01alejandro_would it improve the compiling time if I install distcc using only 1 pc?
10:50.10Flimzyvds: Or create an AVI file of a Windows virus scan.... and run it in mplayer when they ask for proof :P
10:50.10amybwow, either i'm really drunk or something funky is happening with my keyboard input. i'm copying files so it's rather laggy, but the characters are ending up all over the place. weird.
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10:50.14ImStillDaveHas anyone installed Sarge on a SATA drive?  I'm having some "issues."
10:50.19vdsbut I tought it is a good chance to understand the state of the art on av for linux, and I'm happy I cannot find anythong on the web, means it is still unattachable :)
10:50.23cafardhi there
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10:50.43vdsFlimzy:  lol ! :)
10:50.58vdsFlimzy:  that's the option I like more! :)
10:51.16cafarddoes anyone know how to set a maximum number of connections per host on debian's ircd-ircu daemon?
10:51.45cafardthe ircd.conf configuration is quite obscure to me even after some doc reading...
10:52.01kjoedoes anyone has build kde 3.4 beta on debian sarge or sid?
10:52.08takatumivds: maybe this will ease your pananoia. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222
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10:53.35vdstakatumi:  already read the article, funny !
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10:54.33d3vic3is dchroot system wide?
10:54.49d3vic3I mean does it change / for the whole system ?
10:54.58holy_cowvds, congrats on bringing debian to school anyway
10:55.04holy_cowhow long you've been using it?
10:55.16Flimzyd3vic3: No, just for the shell it's running
10:55.24theJackalchroot is virtually a shell :D
10:55.26Flimzyd3vic3: Altho you can run multiple shells in a single chroot simultaneously if you wish
10:55.43d3vic3how ?
10:55.46brokewhat would you consider as the best videoplayer for linux ?
10:56.00Flimzyvds: I used to work at an aircraft manufacturing plant where they had a policy of don't bring any personal hardware to work...
10:56.09theJackalmplayer... although it kills X occasionally (by occasionally. i mean ALL THE TIME)
10:56.13Rebeccathanks Flimzy, resiak, amyb :)
10:56.14d3vic3broke, mplayer
10:56.20Flimzyvds: So I just took my own laptop to work anyway... and ran htun to pierce their firewall and get on IRC from there
10:56.23Flimzyvds: :P
10:56.35Flimzyvds: violated every rule I could
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10:56.47theJackalFlimzy: did  you need to do a MAC address change to get in?
10:56.49Flimzybroke: mplayer and xine
10:56.55FlimzytheJackal: No
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10:57.04FlimzytheJackal: their DHCP servers weren't anal
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10:57.20theJackalFlimzy: hehe.. universitys use mac filtering.
10:57.24FlimzytheJackal: thier policies were much meaner than their actual security measures
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10:57.31theJackallol
10:57.40Jennswell, I've just installed a recent copy of sarge, I was quite impressed with how far the install has come
10:57.45FlimzytheJackal: In fact, I could probably show you the broken turnstyles still... and get in and plant bombs on their aircraft if we wanted to :P
10:57.55theJackallol
10:58.05Jenns*installer
10:58.07theJackalerm.. nobody heard that did they ? :)
10:58.27robin_szok, so how do I enable remote access with courier-webadmin? its locked down to the localhost only
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10:58.50FlimzytheJackal: If the turnstyles are broken, just go to any security desk and say you need a contractor badge, then tell them you work for a real company... like, say, UPS, FedEx, the electric company, whatever
10:58.56FlimzytheJackal: And they'll print you a 24-hour badge
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10:59.06FlimzytheJackal: And then you'll have free reign anywhere on their campus
10:59.25FlimzytheJackal: They *never* ask for even as much as an ID
10:59.27brokeFlimzy > thnx
11:00.09robin_szFlimzy: might they expect a UPS man to be wearing a UPS overall, carrying an UPS datatablet and driving a UPS van?
11:00.18vdsas you are talking about that...how can I change the MAC of my cards at boot time ?
11:00.27robin_szanyway .. I digress
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11:01.09ImStillDaveHas anyone installed Sarge on a SATA drive?  I'm having some "issues."
11:01.14theJackalat boot? dunno..  i think you can do some kernel parms to do it..
11:01.51theJackali usually leave my machine unplugged untill booted, cos onboard lan cards do wierd things in the "bios
11:01.57Weemsis there a way to remove all incompletely installed packages, so I wont have to go through the endless process of apt-get -f install, I just want to install alsa
11:02.07theJackallol
11:02.27theJackalum, play with aptitude, and go an manually balanance dependancy breaks
11:02.51robin_szanyway ...
11:03.00SiliconViperImStillDave, I have.
11:03.10Weemsthejackal, I get this error: dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
11:03.11WeemsErrors were encountered while processing:
11:03.11Weems<PROTECTED>
11:03.11WeemsE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
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11:03.12SiliconViperWhat 'issues'?
11:03.13GoD_SPeeD"segmentation fault" when doing "su" .. what does it mean?
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11:03.31SiliconViperGoD_SPeeD, O_o
11:03.35GoD_SPeeDguess i f*cked it up.. logging in as root also fails
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11:03.50SiliconViperGoD_SPeeD, try 'su -'
11:03.57GoD_SPeeDk
11:04.19GoD_SPeeDsame :/
11:04.25SiliconViper:(
11:04.33SiliconViperSo it's not your login scripts.
11:04.37SiliconViperHerm.
11:04.53robin_szhelp me. I have a 2.4.2 kernel and a 2.6.8 kernel .. and a Dell with a 'megaraid' controller ... under 2.4 it works fine .. and it will work fine under 2.6 ... but for some reason, it tries to use the 'megaraid2' module in 2.6, which was renamed 'megaraid' ... is there some line I can add to the grub thing to make it reallise that?
11:05.09WeemsI get this error when I run install -f:  /var/cache/apt/archives/libxv1_4.3.0.dfsg.1-10_i386.deb
11:05.10Weems<Weems> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
11:05.16SiliconViperrobin_sz, why was it renamed?
11:05.24GoD_SPeeDi was following a postfix-cyrus howto.. and i had to su to a diff user.. typed in a few commands.. so i wanted to su back to root and at once it came up with segmantation fautls
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11:05.31jm_robin_sz: why does it matter if it was renamed?
11:05.41SiliconViperGoD_SPeeD, do you have sudo?
11:05.42jm_Weems: check BTS
11:05.48theJackalWeerns: you could always try "dpkg --configure -a " flollowed by "dpkg -P PKGNAMEHERE" to PURGE it from your system if the config didt work
11:05.54GoD_SPeeDSiliconViper, not that i can remember..
11:06.07robin_szSiliconViper: there used to be megaraid in 2.4 which was v1 and megariad2, which was v2 ... 2.6 only has the v2 driver and calls it megaraid
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11:06.12SiliconViperIf so, try 'sudo apt-get remove postfix-cyrus', and pray.
11:06.23GoD_SPeeDSiliconViper, i am now logged in through lilo option :: Linux init=/bin/sh
11:06.29theJackalPURGE meaning -- "uninstall, and clear configs related"
11:06.38robin_szjm_: it matters because it still tries to insmod megraid2.ko, cant find it, kernel panics and dies
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11:06.56jm_robin_sz: who tries to do that?
11:06.57alejandro_if I have only 1 computer, will I speed up the compiling time if I install distcc?
11:07.10SiliconViperrobin_sz, update-modules?
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11:07.18robin_szjm_: the boot sequence when trying to boot a 2.6 kernel
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11:07.31jm_robin_sz: as in initrd?
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11:07.44robin_szjm_: yeah.
11:07.52GoD_SPeeDSiliconViper, that's not an option, installed everything from source :/
11:08.06GoD_SPeeDi just don't get it..
11:08.21SiliconViperGoD_SPeeD, Oh? Any particular reason?
11:08.26robin_szSiliconViper: but im booted in 2.4 right now .. update modules wont touch the non-running 2.6 stuff will it?
11:08.50jm_robin_sz: that's odd, mount the initrd image and fix it I guess
11:08.57SiliconViperrobin_sz, dunno, but it can't really hurt too much to give it a try.
11:09.10GoD_SPeeDSiliconViper, not really
11:09.19robin_szhmmm ... mount the intrd ...
11:09.24robin_szsounds easy ...
11:09.32GoD_SPeeDSiliconViper, i guess i wanted to learn something more about the OS instead of just doing apt-get ;)
11:09.43jm_robin_sz: oir debug how it gets created and see why it does that
11:09.45SiliconViperGoD_SPeeD, well, in the future, may I recommend installing from .deb first, then source only if you know you want/need to.
11:10.01GoD_SPeeDSiliconViper, indeed
11:10.16robin_szjm_: blimey, that sounds beyond my kernel-package fu
11:10.29SiliconViperGoD_SPeeD, admirable, yes. But what more do you learn from ./configure && make && sudo make install, than apt-get install <package>
11:10.30SiliconViper?
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11:10.38jm_robin_sz: are you building a custom kernel?
11:10.44robin_szjm_: nope
11:10.58jm_robin_sz: ok, well it uses mkinitrd
11:11.04GoD_SPeeDSiliconViper, good point
11:11.21GoD_SPeeD)
11:11.22GoD_SPeeD:)
11:11.27SiliconVipers/so/it was/
11:12.06takatumiGoD_SPeeD: and if you really want to try pushing it, try apt-build
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11:12.36SiliconVipertakatumi, apt-get source <package> && ./configure && make && checkinstall
11:12.45SiliconViperAssuming one has checkinstall present.
11:12.52takatumi!apt-build
11:12.52dpkgwell, apt-build is an apt-get front-end for compiling software optimised for your machine, see http://freshmeat.net/projects/apt-build/?topic_id=147%2C865, or http://julien.danjou.info/article-apt-build.html
11:12.53holy_cowhow do you check what video card you have in the laptop from console?
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11:13.21SiliconViperactually.... there would have to be a 'cd' in there somewhere. ;p
11:13.31SiliconViperholy_cow, lspci
11:13.32huseinhi...
11:13.38SiliconViperHeya.
11:13.45holy_cowah!
11:13.47holy_cowthanks!
11:13.57SiliconViperholy_cow, glad to be of service!
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11:14.12robin_szjm_: ok, i mounted the initrd, found the problem, but i cant edit it .. get a FSYNC fail when I try to write to the initrd
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11:16.50huseini am trying to mount cluster system over a external disk cabine (FASTT storage). I need linux to see severals LUNS. Only get to see LUN where file system is storaged...but i cant see other LUN (quorum) needed for cluster comunication. Any help please?
11:17.06jm_robin_sz: ahh right, cramfs is read-only file system
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11:17.16robin_szjm_: ahh.
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11:17.31jm_robin_sz: check mkinitrd man page
11:17.40SiliconViperhusein, O_o Sounds like an adventure!
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11:18.15CarlosAlexHello, How do I add KDE menu into GNOME menu ???
11:18.17robin_szjm_: so edit the /etc/loadmodules file, run mkinitrd, putting the new initrd somewhere, un-edit the file again
11:18.48SiliconViperCarlosAlex, that's.... an interesting idea. What's your rationale for that?
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11:19.51CarlosAlexbecause there are some graphical utilities in KDE menu, that there isnt in GNOME menu
11:19.58CarlosAlexlike install the printer, for example
11:20.10tchinowhen i edit gif or png-pictures i get the message, prozedure 'gimp_image_set_colormap' not found, what is wrong?
11:20.18SiliconViperCarlosAlex, did you check the entry at the end of the Gnome menu 'Debian Menu' ?
11:20.30tgtfI downloaded debian dvd iso with jigdo and tried to burn it. But nero burning rom says there is only about 24mb file in the iso image. has any one has some clue. jigdu has tested the file after 2 days downloading!!
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11:21.28SiliconVipertgtf, I know this doesn't answer your question, but it might help. Have you tried using a netinstall disc, or is that not appropriate for what you need?
11:21.40SiliconViperOnly ~112MB.
11:21.42CarlosAlexnot yet
11:21.47holy_cowheh, this trident driver has ogl support
11:21.47holy_cowwow
11:22.15SiliconViperCarlosAlex, run 'update-menus', then check that out.
11:22.31tgtfI am traveling a lot and have no net access for long times so i needed the dvd version for those blackout times.
11:22.32SiliconViperIf you still don't find it, I'll see what I can do to help you further.
11:22.35takatumihusein: "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device" is an option with 2.6. "CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN" "The max_luns boot/module parameter allows to override this setting." (from the kernel config help text)
11:22.46SiliconVipertgtf, fair enough. Just checking ^_~
11:23.23SiliconViperholy_cow, mmm... trident.
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11:23.28tgtfsilonviper, thnx
11:23.50SiliconVipertgtf, try checking it again with jigdo, and see what it says.
11:24.07SiliconViperThen, check the filesize.
11:24.27huseintakatumi, do you know if is it possible under kernel 2.4.9-e.24smp
11:24.27tgtfsiliconviper, you mean download it again?!!
11:24.29SiliconViperThen, if nero still bitches, smash it with a hammer. :D
11:24.33takatumihusein: dunno.
11:24.34SiliconVipertgtf, no!
11:24.52SiliconVipertgtf, I mean, run jigdo against the existing image.
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11:25.16SiliconViperIt should only download any packages that are new.
11:25.39SiliconViperOr updated.
11:25.39tgtfOh will do that and come back!! thanx
11:25.49SiliconVipertgtf, back up the original.
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11:25.58SiliconViperJust in case something goes horribly wrong.
11:26.02tgtfwill do that tooo
11:26.05SiliconViper^_~
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11:26.16Jennwonghow can i create a new database name in mysql on debian?
11:26.16SiliconViperjigdo is awesome like that.
11:26.30directhex|workhusein, why do you have a kernel that old and insecure?
11:26.46SiliconViperJennwong, mysqladmin -p create <dbname>
11:27.04Jennwongthanks SiliconViper
11:27.12SiliconViperJennwong, always glad to help!
11:27.14SiliconViper^_~
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11:28.02huseindirecthex|work, cause is which it came under distribution. Really dont know. Boss decided it.
11:28.23SiliconViperhusein, apt-cache search kernel-image | less
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11:29.50huseinanybody knows a precompiled kernel valid for?
11:30.04huseinthink is....easiest...
11:30.11SiliconViperhusein, Look up.
11:31.28Jennwonghow can i set new dbname? is that mysqladmin -p edit ?
11:31.29huseinwana say....is threre any 2.6 precomiled with support Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device
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11:32.51SiliconViperhusein, did you try that command?
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11:33.13pashaHi all
11:33.33SiliconViperJennwong, the dbname is set when you issue a 'mysqladmin -p create <whatever-you-want-to-call-it>'
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11:33.53possie_are there people in here that acctualy get diffrent windows clients to logon to a samba 3 server? what a hell
11:33.56takatumihusein: the oldest one I have is the 2.6.7-1-686 which has CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y, so I would presume most would have it.
11:34.35SiliconViperHeya pasha.
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11:34.54pasha:]
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11:35.08pashaÅñòü êòî ðóññêèé?
11:35.11Jennwongyes i did it
11:35.13takatumi;=]
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11:35.34pasharusskiie est'?
11:35.40SiliconViperpasha, ...?
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11:35.56pashawhat?
11:35.56Jennwongi want to know how can i see newdbname is created
11:35.57SiliconViperwhiskey tango foxtrot
11:36.01takatumi!ru
11:36.01dpkgUnless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u.  Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)
11:36.03mantiena-baltixpasha, net
11:36.12pashapravda?
11:36.12ChrisWhow can I find out who a process is running as?
11:36.17Jennwongand how can i create tables etc
11:36.28takatumipasha: smirnoff
11:36.28mantiena-baltixpasha, da
11:36.33huseinSiliconViper, that said me nothing
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11:36.37pasha;]
11:36.41pasha!ru
11:36.41dpkgUnless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u.  Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :)
11:37.01SiliconViperhusein, ???
11:37.09SiliconViperhusein, apt-get update
11:37.29SiliconViperthen try again. 'apt-cache search kernel-image' ...
11:37.33huseincertainly...
11:37.35husein:)
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11:37.38takatumihusein: if you are woody, you won't have a 2.6 in the selection.
11:37.44SiliconViperIt should show you all the available precompiled kernels.
11:37.48ChrisWI guess I'm looking for a combination of top and ps
11:37.50takatumi*on
11:37.50ChrisWany ideas?
11:37.52maynanianhello... when i am running linux... my computer freeze after some time... not after  defined time, it also happens to me in windows xp, so... the os that can work well on my computer is windows 98, but i want to install linux.. and don't know how to overcome the problem...
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11:38.13SiliconViperChrisW, isn't top a combination of top and ps?
11:38.16takatumiChrisW: pstree?
11:38.50ChrisWokay, I have a server process which I think may be running as the wrong user
11:38.53PerfDavemaynanian: Is there anything in the log files relating to a freeze?
11:39.01ChrisWI can find the process using ps, but it's too low down on top's list
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11:39.12ChrisWcan I poke ps to tell me what user a process si running as?
11:39.13maynanianPerfDave: that he can't access the hard-disk drive..
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11:40.02paulswmChrisW: ps -ef tells you the user in the first column, is that what you're looking for?
11:40.02SiliconViperChrisW, in top, type '?'
11:40.05huseinfirst....making lilo....is enought for boot using it instead grub?
11:40.17ChrisWpaulswm: thanks! :-)
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11:40.23robin_szwill I see much difference in perfomrance running a em64t kernel on my umm, em64t box rather than a plain old 686 kernel?
11:40.28paulswmChrisW: np :)
11:40.38SiliconViperrobin_sz, I should hope so.
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11:42.19PerfDavemaynanian: Exactly what error do you get?
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11:43.13maynanianPerfDave: i don't remember how it is styled... but it's like that he can't access, can't read.. it is something with 2 lines.. that he tries to refresh... don't remember exactly
11:43.31PerfDavemaynanian: Without an exact error, we can't really help you.
11:43.37directhex|workrobin_sz, depends whether you want 64 bit
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11:43.46PerfDavemaynanian: Look up the error. Google for it. See what it means and how to fix it.
11:44.13maynanianPerfDave: ok, thanks..... :)
11:44.17directhex|workrobin_sz, i wouldn't expect much speed difference, but you won't be able to execute 64 bit code or address large amounts of memory with a 32 bit kernel
11:44.28takatumidirecthex|work: is there really a noticeable difference? especially for an amd64.
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11:45.36directhex|worktakatumi, amd64 is a very very fast 32 bit platform. it's not gonna be much faster in 64 bit mode, but it will be able to address extra ram
11:45.38pasha:(
11:46.08alejandro_would it improve the compiling time if I install distcc using only 1 pc?
11:46.19robin_szdirecthex|work: OK, so if there no speed diffs, I'll pass on it
11:46.26PerfDavealejandro_: Uhm, how can you distribute a task across one PC? :)
11:46.33SiliconViperalejandro_, does it makes sense that it would?
11:46.38robin_szbah, this initrd thing is harder than it should be
11:46.45SiliconViperI mean, it has *extra* work to do...
11:46.53alejandro_i know...I just wanted to be sure :P
11:46.57SiliconViperThat doesn't seem like something that would improve performance, silly.
11:47.05alejandro_;)
11:47.09SiliconViper;p
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11:47.55b0efwhen I run dd with conv=noerror, does it write zeros to the image it's writing to or does it just skip it?.
11:48.17b0ef..as in when it detects bad blocks
11:48.24takatumidirecthex|work: ok, but this kinda got me interested. "The debian "pure64" port for AMD64 and EM64T based systems is, as the name states, thoroughly 64bit. More than 97% of all source packages in unstable have been ported. Pure64 is installable using a pre-release of the Debian-Installer."
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11:49.30directhex|worktakatumi, speed improvements start if you have a system compiled with gcc 3.4, which is MUCH more efficient at generating 64 bit amd64 code
11:49.53directhex|worktakatumi, i use pure64 for the educational experience, not because it's practical
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11:50.18takatumidirecthex|work:  "gcc-3.4, a thoroughly gcc-3.4 based Sid port."
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11:50.34TheLittleWitch|aIf i install 64bit debian, then i can't install any 32bit software ?
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11:51.00tchinowhen i edit gif or png-pictures i get the message, prozedure 'gimp_image_set_colormap' not found, what is wrong?
11:51.02Douglas__Does anyone know of any very unstable debian package servers that I could get kde 3.4 or really early versions of things wrather than quite a bit behind?
11:51.15Douglas__or perhaps even xorg?
11:51.29SiliconViper!xorg
11:51.29dpkgxorg is an alternative X implementation (fork of XFree86 4.4RC2) from X.Org, current release is X11R6.8. It won't be packaged for Debian until after Sarge release. See http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/trunk/debian/local/FAQ.xhtml#debianplans for more information. Ask me about 'get xorg' for unofficial xorg debs.
11:51.30paulswmalejandro_: you can improve compile time on repeated compiles with ccache
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11:51.51trtrhi.. debian hasn't php5 packages yet ?
11:52.00SiliconViperDouglas__, Unstable 'Sid' is very up-to-date.
11:52.10alejandro_paulswm, only when I reinstall packages right?
11:52.21SiliconViperKDE3.4 is not in, for reasons discussed on the mailing lists.
11:52.24Douglas__it is, but there are still newer verions of things and some thing like xorg missing?
11:52.29SiliconViperI'll see if I can rustle up a post.
11:52.47SiliconViperDouglas__, xorg isn't 'missing', it is intentionally not included.
11:52.59PerfDaveDouglas__: /msg dpkg xorg
11:53.00Douglas__I know, but why?
11:53.07paulswmalejandro_: no, for any C compiles
11:53.10PerfDave!topicsmite Douglas__
11:53.11dpkgAnd the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon Douglas__.  And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken.  And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified.
11:53.23tchinoDouglas: you get kde 3.3.2 by debian sarge
11:53.31Douglas__I know.
11:53.34SiliconViper!tell Douglas__ about xorg
11:53.51Douglas__but I wanted 3.4, even if it is unstable and shitty.
11:53.56Douglas__;(
11:53.59SiliconViperThen compile it, silly.
11:54.14SiliconViperhttp://www.kde.org/
11:54.20alejandro_try experimental
11:54.37SiliconViperalejandro_, I'm on Experimental aka 'Suicide', and KDE3.4 is not in there.
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11:54.48alejandro_ok
11:54.57SiliconViperGranted, I'm not even a KDE user...
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11:55.05jakehi all
11:55.10SiliconViperHeya.
11:55.23alejandro_paulswm, so, if I recompile, it will be a lot faster?
11:55.32robin_szso .. is there a kernel param I could give to tell it to load the megaraid module?
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11:55.47robin_szduring boot?
11:55.51Douglas__but I can't use a compiled version, can I, not if I use packages for everything else?
11:56.05SiliconViperDouglas__, sure you can.
11:56.22SiliconViperI compile what I need to, and use packages when they suit me.
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11:56.29SiliconViperWhich is most of the time.
11:56.30huseintakatumi, with a 2.6.10 kernel....can i have any way of incompatibility with a oracle server is running ?
11:56.43paulswmalejandro_: yes, if you have ccache set up.
11:56.44jakeI am having a little trouble using autofs. I have it set up to mount my usb mass storage device, so it works fine as root. When i try to cd to the specified directory as a normal user,i just get this "bash: cd: kirstys-mp3-player/: Permission denied" wether its been mounted by automount or not.... Any ideas?
11:56.47takatumihusein: I have no idea.
11:56.56SiliconViperDouglas__, if you really care, you can build your own package.
11:56.59huseinSiliconViper, have you?
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11:57.16saintisshi
11:57.26SiliconViperIf you're up for a bit of fun, you can set up an 'unofficial' repository with KDE3.4 for people who want it.
11:57.35SiliconViperAnd then, everyone wins.
11:57.44tchinoDouglas: than you can do: #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free in sources.list and update kde
11:57.47saintissI'm browsing a debian ftp mirror... where can I find the sarge packages? I only see pool/main, but no subdivision in stable/testing/unstable..
11:57.51SiliconViperhusein, what now?
11:57.54Douglas__thanks
11:57.57SiliconViperI missed the question.
11:58.08SiliconViperDouglas__, no worries! Glad to be useful.
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11:58.37huseinSiliconViper, if i change into a newest kernel , if i could have problems with my server oracle
11:58.38Douglas__perhaps I'll be back after hours of building a new and flashier kde 3.4
11:58.42SiliconVipertchino, http://packages.debian.org/
11:59.06SiliconVipertchino, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/
11:59.33SiliconViperhusein, I have no idea, I don't use Oracle. Where did you get the impression that I did?
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11:59.50tchinoSiliconViper: ok thank you, but i use kde3.3.1, that is enough for me
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12:00.23SiliconVipertchino, oops. >_< Those links were meant for saintiss
12:00.28SiliconViperSorry.
12:00.45saintissSiliconViper: ah, thanks
12:00.54SiliconVipertchino, also, kde 3.4 is *not* in unstable.
12:01.15PerfDaveNow, what's the betting that Douglas__ compiles KDE 3.4b all over 3.3 and fucks his system totally, rather than putting it in /usr/local and using equivs? ;)
12:01.18SiliconViperand why would someone need contrib and non-free for KDE, anyways?
12:01.21tchinoSiliconViper: but sid is unstable
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12:01.28SiliconVipertchino, I know.
12:01.36SiliconVipertchino, Sid doesn't have KDE3.4
12:01.39SiliconViperIt has KDE3.3.1
12:01.51HuahuaKDE 3.3.2
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12:01.58SiliconViperHuahua, my bad, sorry.
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12:02.05simonrvnit has 3.3
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12:02.13simonrvn!info kicker sid
12:02.20tchinoSiliconViper: but how you can find kde3.4 for testing --> sarge
12:02.21dpkgkicker: (KDE Desktop Panel), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2124 kB, Installed size: 6292 kB
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12:02.42SiliconViperThose links I posted were in response to saintiss's questions about sid ftp browsing.
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12:02.57SiliconVipertchino, KDE 3.4 for Sarge? That's silly.
12:03.10simonrvntchino: you don't
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12:03.23SiliconViperNot *wrong*, just silly.
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12:04.10SiliconViperI mean, if you wanted a more stable system (Testing 'Sarge'), then it would make sense to avoid unsupported 'bleeding edge' packages like KDE 3.4
12:04.17tchinosimonrvn: only for sid
12:04.19SiliconViperBut that's just me.
12:04.24simonrvn!info kicker sarge
12:04.33SiliconVipertchino, it is *not* available for sid.
12:04.39dpkgkicker: (KDE Desktop Panel), section kde, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 2124 kB, Installed size: 6292 kB
12:04.39Huahua3.3.2 too
12:04.52simonrvntchino: dude: if it's not in sid, it *won't* be in sarge
12:04.56SiliconViperPerfDave, go wild! I'd cheer for you.
12:05.15SiliconVipersimonrvn, that's a good point.
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12:05.37Huahua!info konqueror
12:05.41dpkgkonqueror: (KDE's advanced File Manager, Web Browser and Document Viewer), section web, is optional. Version: 4:3.3.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2186 kB, Installed size: 5140 kB
12:05.43t0ffelI read that you can select what kernel to use during installation by using parameters like "expert26", but I can't find these documented anywhere. Where can I find more info?
12:05.49robin_szhow do i load a module at boottime?
12:05.57simonrvn/etc/modules
12:05.57directhex|workrobin_sz, add it to /etc/modules
12:06.06robin_szno, thats post boot
12:06.07Huahua<PROTECTED>
12:06.15robin_szis there a kernel parm?
12:06.19jm_robin-sz;no
12:06.31robin_szoh ... another avenue closed :(
12:06.32huseinif i use make install..... dont have to do make modules && make modules_install, yes=?
12:06.51Huahuaneedn¡®t
12:07.12huseinneither cp bzImage into /boot
12:07.27robin_szwell, fscked if I can figure out either where mkinitrd brews up loadmodules.conf from
12:07.30simonrvnhusein: kernel version?
12:07.34SiliconViperhusein, it would be a good idea to make modules && make modules_install
12:07.36robin_szor how to make it obey my wishes
12:07.50SiliconViperOtherwise, how are you going to get your modules.
12:07.51SiliconViper?
12:07.54PerfDavet0ffel: Read the Installation Manual, follow the instructions on screen.
12:08.02PerfDavehusein: If you're compiling a kernel, you want to use make-kpkg
12:08.11Huahuayes
12:08.16SiliconViperPerfDave, good point....
12:08.20PerfDavehusein: If you're compiling other software, you just need "make install", but first: /msg dpkg usrlocal
12:08.21robin_szPerfDave: you are klortho in disguise and I calim my free pint
12:08.44tchinosimonrvn: but with which version of debian, you can get kde3.4
12:08.51huseinSiliconViper, ok. so. make dep && make clean && make bzImage && make modules && make modules_install && make install ?
12:08.53t0ffelok, so I need to boot the cd to see the choices. well thanks
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12:09.13simonrvntchino: you don't. for the second time
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12:09.33PerfDavehusein: Using make-kpkg will make your life easier and avoid you screwing up your system ;)
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12:09.59tchinosimonrvn: ok, i understand, SiliconViper gives the url of sid, but that is wrong
12:10.02huseinPerfDave, using it.....instead all i have said before?
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12:10.19SiliconViperhusein, listen to PerfDave, he knows what he is talking about, and can save you much pain.
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12:10.36SiliconVipertchino, <SiliconViper> Those links I posted were in response to saintiss's questions about sid ftp browsing.
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12:11.04ralfCiao!
12:11.05tchinoSiliconViper: ok
12:11.17SiliconViperSee you later, ralf
12:11.20huseinPerfDave, now i have done make dep && make clean && make bzImage. Now is time to make kpkg?
12:11.27SiliconViper>_<
12:12.18Noid_husein: make-kpkg is used *instead* of those commands
12:12.27tchinoSiliconViper: where can i write a mesage about an error in a gimp-package
12:12.28huseinok
12:12.30resiaksimonrvn: I think you mean "/me gently slams his head on the kbd, asdkio aewfof djkhsd ".
12:12.42ralfSilensius: ?
12:12.49simonrvnresiak: hehe. or
12:12.53takatumisimonrvn: why are you holding back? harder, harder, faster, faster.
12:12.55simonrvn7~6~76~76667~67~
12:12.59SilensiusYes Ralf
12:13.03SiliconViper!tell husein about kp mantra
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12:13.16simonrvntakatumi: ...
12:13.20Huahuahi Penix
12:13.22simonrvnPenix: wenas
12:13.25ralfSilensius: why?
12:13.30resiaksimonrvn: Heheh.
12:13.32Penixwenas
12:13.41SilensiusWhy  for what ???
12:13.50ralfwhy see you later
12:14.04SiliconVipertchino, Well, let's see.... do I maintain gimp? or any of it's associated packages? *checks list*... nope!
12:14.17ralf[13:11:21] <SiliconViper> See you later, ralf
12:14.18Silensiusi'm coming just from turkey
12:14.28SiliconVipertchino, I would suggest first determining that it is in fact a package error, and not just your system.
12:14.31ralfSilensius: sorry, it was for SiliconViper
12:14.52ralfdamn TAB
12:14.54ralf:P
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12:15.16SiliconViperralf: Don't mind me, I'm just a bit crazy.
12:15.20Silensius;)
12:15.29ralfSiliconViper: ok :P
12:16.13SiliconVipertchino, Now, I don't get those errors with PNGs, on my machine. I haven't tried with GIFs, but that's because I have a moral opposition to them.
12:16.56tchinoSiliconViper: when i edit png-picture in gimp, i get the message: Prozedur 'gimp_image_set_colormap'  not found, on earlier versions, i have not problems with that
12:17.02SiliconVipertchino, so... this leads me to assume it in fact, *not* a bug, but rather something strange in your setup.
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12:17.36Penixcartoon network's adult swim should be distributed on dvd with a free vile of pcp
12:18.03Penixwell, the australian version anyway
12:18.04shadebobhi, i have installed a samba printer but when I install it in a win98 client it ask me for a password :
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12:18.33tchinoSiliconViper: where can i show the message of the prompt, which will create when i opned this png-picture
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12:19.38tchinoSiliconViper: look in #flood
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12:20.35tchinoSiliconViper: do you look there?
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12:22.14simonrvnthere's a new gtk in...
12:22.23SiliconViperThousands of people, maybe more, edit PNGs every day, with GIMP. You'd think one of them would have noticed it?
12:22.48possie_is it possible to tail multiple files at once?
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12:23.05directhex|work!directhexsmite simonrvn
12:23.13simonrvnhey
12:23.26tchinoSiliconViper: no, i have edit it before with a aerlier version of gimp, and nothing happens, but now, where upgrade my system, it comes those message by gimp
12:23.28simonrvndon't make me come over there ;p
12:23.45jm_possie: what does the man page say?
12:24.07tchinoSiliconViper: can i send you one of my pictures, and test you with your gimp, which version do you have?
12:24.23Penixor, what does tail /foo/bar /bar/foo say
12:24.31SiliconViperGIMP version 2.2.3
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12:25.11simonrvnworks here
12:25.32possie_jm_: indeed stupid me,
12:25.38simonrvnforumslogo.png, and it's got an alpha channel, etc.
12:26.05tchinoSiliconViper: i have gimp 2.0.6, you have the picture, can you opened it, by me, it is black
12:26.09simonrvngotta love 2.2, really nice
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12:26.37SiliconViperIt is fine, for me.
12:26.41SiliconViperA circular logo.
12:27.17SiliconViperPBC Frankenberg 1988 E.V.
12:27.23PerfDaveHuahua: No, you use make-kpkg *instead* of make dep and all that, it does it all for you
12:27.27PerfDaveArgh
12:27.28tchinosee you, something is wrong by me
12:27.31PerfDavehusein: No, you use make-kpkg *instead* of make dep and all that, it does it all for you
12:27.47simonrvn.!tell PerfDave about repeat ;p
12:27.50SiliconVipertchino, good thing you didn't send a bug report, isn't it?
12:28.04PerfDaveSiliconViper: It's just as well I wasn't repeating then ;)
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12:29.02SiliconViperPerfDave, What did I do now?
12:29.02tchinoSiliconViper: how can i do it, i go to the internet by my server, the gimp runs on my client
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12:29.51tgtfSiliconViper, I run jigdu on a downloaded woody image that I had problem burning and get a "jigdu-file failed with code 3 - aborting " error. Now what??!!!
12:29.59SiliconViperO_o
12:30.00SiliconViperOuch.
12:30.15SiliconViperIf I knew what Code 3 was, I might be useful.
12:30.23tgtfoh
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12:31.27SiliconViperThat's almost as useful as those crazy 'illegal operation' errors in Win32.
12:31.55SiliconViperAh, back when I used that silly excuse for an OS...
12:32.12SiliconViperOuch.... that's flamebait.
12:32.26vultureSiliconViper: man kill, look for code 3..
12:32.39vulturethat's probably the code it is refering to, whatever 'it' is..
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12:33.50SiliconViperhttp://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html/usr/share/man/man1/kill.1.gz <-- doesn't say much, does it?
12:34.19possie_how could i list everyting that is in a TDB database?
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12:34.20vultureSiliconViper: says signal 3 is QUIT, there you go :)
12:34.38vultureSiliconViper: the application might have a more specific reason to exit from that signal
12:35.00vulturebut chances are that's the sort of thing that would have had to have been sent to the app explicitly,
12:35.02tchinoSiliconViper: how can i do a bug report
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12:35.33takatumilyx takes around 10-15 seconds to render to dvi, is this normal? (for e.g. the introdcution under the help menu)
12:36.10takatumithis is only the first time though.
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12:36.55SiliconVipertchino, what do you need to bug report?
12:36.58SiliconViper!report bug
12:36.58dpkgi guess report bug is a good thing to do, as long as you make sure that it actually *is* a bug, and not some oddity in your configuration. Try and get a few people to reproduce the problem, on their boxen, to prove the existance of the bug, independant from your system.
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12:39.08SiliconVipervulture, I suppose that could be what it meant. I usually assume that if it says one thing (code 3), it means that, and not something else (signal 3), but I could be wrong, and your idea totally makes sense.
12:39.11dennis_hello
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12:40.51tchinoSiliconViper: help
12:41.00ncsuthis is a little off topic but hard to find anywhere, does anyone know how google doubled its index almost overnight
12:41.06tchinoi want do a bug-report with the gimp-message
12:41.12dennis_can anyone tell me how i would install just one or two packages from unstable into sarge?
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12:41.50directhex|work!tell dennis_ about quick sid/sarge mix
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12:42.06SiliconVipertchino, it isn't a bug.
12:42.15SiliconViper!tell tchino about report bug
12:43.06dennis_directhex|work, thanks mate i think that will do it :)
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12:43.41dpkg'pingouin' is 0.000% lame, pingouin_
12:43.46pingouin_ouf..
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12:44.40saerdnai ve managed to install my webcam successfull as a v4l device, now wich is the best program to capture images from it with?
12:45.13pingouin_camstream
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12:45.56saerdnai dont have x installed
12:46.01saerdnaits a webbserver
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12:46.11saintisshi... it seems that for the eagle-usb driver, only a *source* package for the module is available.. why hasn't the package been precompiled?
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12:46.39directhex|worksaintiss, because it needs to be compiled against a particular kernel, but isn't part of the linux source?
12:46.41SiliconVipersaintiss, is it in the non-free repository?
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12:46.49visik7hi
12:46.57visik7I've a problem with start-stop-daemon
12:47.01SiliconViperOh?
12:47.06SiliconViperDo tell.
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12:47.22visik7if I run start-stop-daemon with
12:47.31visik7-m -p /var/run/freepops.pid -r /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/
12:47.41shadebobI have a message "access denied" with samba on a windows 98 machine? how can I allow all users to use shares without password
12:47.46visik7it writes the pidfile into /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/var/run/freepops.pid
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12:48.16visik7instead of /var/run/freepops.pid
12:48.16SiliconVipervisik7, that's what happens when you chroot things.
12:48.21visik7yes but
12:48.26saintissSiliconViper: no, it's just in sarge afacs
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12:48.39saintissdirecthex|work: that's true, but it could have been precompiled against the default kernel, no?
12:48.43visik7the pid is generated by start-stop-daemon not by my daemon
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12:48.48SiliconVipersaintiss, sarge/main? sarge/contrib? sarge/non-free?
12:49.02saerdna<PROTECTED>
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12:49.14saintissSiliconViper: sarge/main
12:49.17ningonolan, never
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12:49.23ningo*no
12:49.29directhex|worksaintiss, when that happens, it gets out of synch, and then problems appear. best option is to apt-get install build-essential module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r), then use m-a
12:49.29ningolike 1000 years or so
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12:49.38SiliconVipervisik7, http://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?query=start-stop-daemon
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12:49.53SiliconVipervisik7
12:49.54SiliconViper-r|--chroot root
12:49.54SiliconViper<PROTECTED>
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12:50.04saintissdirecthex|work: I believe that, but I need the package to get online, so I have to do everything manual until then
12:50.11saintiss(I'm in a different distro atm)
12:50.16visik7btw SiliconViper I should kill the process using start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet -p
12:50.18visik7sorry
12:50.21visik7btw SiliconViper I should kill the process using start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet -p /var/run/freepops.pid -r /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/
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12:50.22visik7no ?
12:50.32visik7but if I run that command
12:51.23visik7it look for /var/run/freepops.pid in the real /var/run/ not in /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/var/run/
12:51.26SiliconViperYou should kill withl.... start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet -p /var/lib/freepops/chroot-jail/var/run/freepops.pid
12:51.42SiliconViperYes, that is correct, visik7.
12:51.47visik7ah
12:51.57SiliconViper*with
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12:52.05feistelhi
12:52.09feisteli am newbie in debian
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12:52.39SiliconViperBecause it does not chroot before *reading* the file, for the stop operation, since the stop does not use a chroot.
12:52.58SiliconViperfeistel, we all are newbies at something.
12:53.15feistelyes, but i am learning about apt-get
12:53.38SiliconViperThat's okay.
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12:54.01SiliconViper!tell feistel about newbie
12:54.04feistelhow i can list the packages on my debian, i am searching for qmail configuration files
12:54.04Raffashi! does anybody have an ibm x335 optimized 2.6 .config available?
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12:54.20SiliconViperfeistel, dpkg --get-selections
12:54.28feistelthanks
12:54.37SiliconViperThat lists packages.
12:54.42SiliconViperNot 'files'.
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13:01.29Raffasguess nobody here uses x335 ...
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13:01.54PhatedThe config files are likely as not in /etc/qmail or something similar.
13:02.17idnarthey're in /var/qmail/control
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13:03.03lilalinuxhey guys
13:03.20lilalinuxwhere can i get a specific version of a deb from?
13:03.25idnarsince not everyone implements the FHS properly, DJB figured he'd just stick everything in his own hierarchy in /var/qmail
13:03.28lilalinuxdon't want to install it via apt
13:03.33Gathondlilalinux: debian.org
13:03.39jm_lilalinux: s.d.n
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13:05.56erikhhi folks, does anyone remember when the 'hostname' binary added the '-s' option in linux? I'm trying to keep a script portable, and I distinctly remember this not existing ~ a year ago.
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13:07.04Barenzungenerikh, 1996 Jan 28
13:07.09asdf_doh.
13:07.20BarenzungenHi asdf_ :-)
13:07.21erikhBarenzungen: 1996?!
13:07.44asdf_Barenzungen, i am buzz lightyear, i come in peace!
13:07.55erikhasdf_: heh
13:08.04Barenzungenerikh, My hostname manpage is from 1996 Jan 28
13:08.06BarenzungenAnd it has -s
13:08.40erikhBarenzungen: ... that doesn't mean much, but ok! :)
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13:08.57SiliconVipererikh, read the changelog.
13:09.03SiliconViperThat's the best I can suggest.
13:09.06erikhSiliconViper: fair enough.
13:09.14erikhalright, I will stop annoying you guys now - thanks for the help.
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13:09.31asdf_sheesh, how annoying.
13:09.44Barenzungenerikh, http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=hostname&apropos=0&sektion=0&manpath=Red+Hat+Linux%2Fi386+4.2&format=html
13:09.48SiliconViperWell, my two hours of service are up for the night, and things seem to be quiet around here.
13:09.56BarenzungenLook, RedHat 4.2 had it too
13:10.05SiliconViperI guess 5am is a good time to sleep.
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13:13.01runahey :) Im looking for a command line client for MS-SQL. Any ideas?
13:13.13pentadoes anybody knwo why do you get this  Cannot rename new quotafile //aquota.user.new to name //aquota.user: Operation not permitted ???
13:13.27SiliconViperruna: mysql
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13:13.40SiliconVipermysqladmin handles the other part.
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13:14.50runaSiliconViper: MS SQL, not mysql
13:14.55SiliconViperOH!
13:14.57SiliconViperSorry.
13:15.00SiliconViperNo clue.
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13:15.07runaSiliconViper: :)
13:15.10SiliconViper;p
13:15.10jm_sqsh - commandline SQL client for MS SQL and Sybase servers
13:15.13d22how do I sayin cron 10 mins after midnight?
13:15.22d22everyday f course;P
13:15.25jm_d22: man 7 crontab
13:15.34jm_ehh man 5 crontab
13:15.40d22jm_ I know how to man, I dont know how to write it
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13:15.49d22tried some and its not starting
13:15.53jm_d22: read the page
13:15.57SiliconViperd22: http://rtfm.whatthefork.org/cgi-bin/man/man2html?5+crontab
13:16.04ricky_clarksonPhated: You ok, I saw some of that shit?
13:16.15RichiHricky_clarkson: indeed
13:16.16Phatedricky_clarkson: Which?
13:16.19supamand22: the crontab has some examples you can use ...
13:16.28ricky_clarksonPhated: d-o
13:16.31RichiHricky_clarkson: let's talk about tolkien
13:16.40SiliconViperAnyways, sleep for me.
13:16.42ricky_clarksonRichiH: No, he sucks.
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13:16.48ricky_clarksonRichiH: Except for "The Hobbit".
13:16.49Phatedricky_clarkson: Pft.
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13:17.43RichiHricky_clarkson: well, the hobbit _is_ more closely-knit than lotr. but then again, i kinda prefer the First and Second Age in the silmarillion und unfinished tales, anyway
13:17.43Indaleh if there's 4 cpu's i.e. processor: 0 processor: 1 etc in /proc/cpuinfo would that indicate 4 processors
13:18.08Indal0 being the first of the 4 of course
13:18.18vultureIndal: or hyperthreading of some kind,
13:18.19ricky_clarksonRichiH: I've read one book and seen one film, so I feel very qualified to say that it's all shit except The Hobbit.
13:18.29RichiHricky_clarkson: heh, fair enough
13:18.39Indalvulture ahh
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13:19.17paulswm:(
13:19.28Weemsi removed rhythmbox and i still get:  Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages
13:19.40CokeI'm looking for bugs on the C++ preprocessor. I try to compile libsidplay2 and it claims /lib/cpp fails the sanity check. I use cpp (GCC) 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-5) and libsidplay2 doesn't seem to claim it needs any specific version. What is wrong here?
13:19.52CokeBtw, I didn't find any reported bugs related to this at all.
13:19.53supamanWeems: and have you tried it?
13:20.04directhex|work!b-e Coke
13:20.08dpkgCoke: Sounds like you need to install build-essential.
13:20.19ricky_clarkson!b-o sussudio
13:20.19Cokedirecthex|work: why?
13:20.21dpkgsussudio: You smell.
13:20.25ricky_clarksonHaha.
13:20.28azrealricky_clarkson: im ready to listen to you tell a better story than tolkien.
13:20.40ricky_clarksonazreal: http://lavender.cime.net/~ricky/lisa.txt
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13:21.01Cokedirecthex|work: the configure script croaks on the cpp sanity check. It refers to /lib/cpp which is linked to /usr/bin/cpp-3.3. What is in b-e that I need?
13:21.08Indalhmm how can i see if multi-threading is enabled in the kernel?
13:21.17Indalerm hyperthreading even sorry
13:21.19ricky_clarksonazreal: My objection is the linear obvious nature of the storyline.  Much like Animal Farm's.
13:21.27Weemssupaman: yeah
13:21.33directhex|workCoke, which exact package? i don't know. which is _WHY_ the build-essential package exists
13:21.44Cokedirecthex|work: oh. the actual C++ compiler... why the heck doesn't cpp depend on this package?
13:21.54supamanWeems: and what did that one give you (any errors or anything)?
13:22.01vultureCoke: cpp is the C PreProcessor
13:22.04directhex|workCoke, because you might want to pre-process on another machine?
13:22.10vultureit's got no reason to depend on C++ anything
13:22.25directhex|workCoke, if you want to build, what is your damn problem with installing build-essential? that's what it's there for
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13:22.30ricky_clarksonvulture: cpp is for C, not C++
13:22.34vultureand some other apps use the CPP to preprocess config files and whatnot
13:22.37RichiHazreal: i have to admit ricky_clarkson is right about the linearity of the story. his major achievements lie in being the first to do this kind of thing and devoting that much time into the details, imho
13:22.48saerdna:OOOOOOOOOOO
13:22.48alejandro_I'm trying to burn a dvd with k3b but it complains about growisofs althou I have it in /usr/bin. Has any1 the same problem?
13:23.01RichiHazreal: george r r martin makes for much more differenced reading, for example
13:23.17valdyn_alejandro_: you are trying to run k3b w/ sudo ?
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13:23.24vulturericky_clarkson: CPP is the C preprocessor, it's for anything that needs the C preprocessor, including C++ compilers (#includes, etc..) and some other apps that aren't even for compiled languages (some apps run their config files through the cpp)
13:23.24d22jm_ midnight in cron is 0? or 24?
13:23.25alejandro_vagrant, yes
13:23.39Cokedirecthex|work: my problem is that the configure script only refered to /lib/cpp in the error message which basically has nothing to do with g++.
13:23.44idnarGeorge R R Martin rocks
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13:23.50ricky_clarksonvulture: That doesn't conflict with what I said.
13:23.54ricky_clarkson!tfti vulture
13:23.58azrealricky_clarkson: lol, ok i was reading it, but trying to follow
13:23.59valdyn_alejandro_: that does not work - try su or sux
13:24.10ricky_clarkson!tfti $1 is <reply>Thanks For The Info, $1!
13:24.10dpkgokay, ricky_clarkson
13:24.12alejandro_valdyn_, ok
13:24.13ricky_clarkson!tfti vulture
13:24.14dpkgThanks For The Info, vulture!
13:24.16directhex|workCoke, are you building things?
13:24.22vulturericky_clarkson: yes it does. so far as I read what you said it read something like "cpp is not for C++"
13:24.26alejandro_!tfti valdyn_
13:24.27dpkgThanks For The Info, valdyn_!
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13:24.33vulturewhich seems false to me
13:24.40ricky_clarksonvulture: I said "cpp is for C".
13:24.50Cokedirecthex|work: yes, and I was unaware that there was a package convenient enough to include all the build essentials.
13:24.53RichiHricky_clarkson: seems azreal really is, yeah
13:24.56vulturericky_clarkson: "not C++", how else is that second clause to be interpreted?
13:25.03d2210 0 * * * myscript.sh, could someone tell me if my crontab is correct, I need to run it 10 mins after midnight, everyday...
13:25.05vultureother than to mean that "cpp is not for C++"
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13:25.13wishyDoes anyone know of a good stable backport of python 2.3 for Woody?
13:25.21ricky_clarksonvulture: I could add "but you can use it for other programming languages too".
13:25.33ricky_clarksons/programming //
13:25.58ricky_clarksond22: Looks ok to me.
13:25.58vulturericky_clarkson: yet you said "not C++" as though cpp is not for C++, I suppose for some odd use of the word "for" it makes sense, but ok then
13:26.01azreali do prefer the hobbit over the other lotr books though.
13:26.03d22ok thanks
13:26.11jm_d22: man page says: hour           0-23
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13:27.09ricky_clarksonvulture: I didn't mean to address you, sorry.  I merely meant that cpp is mainly used for C, and I should have said so.
13:27.14alejandro_valdyn_, is working now :)
13:27.16alejandro_thanks
13:27.29macondoi am using sarge, after doing my daily update/dist-upgrade, i got a message saying that some of the pine packages built from source are out of date. It tells me to run a couple of commands in a scratch directory. i understand everything EXCEPT the 'scrtatch directory' what do they mean?
13:27.37greycatstrangely enough, cpp is also used for parsing X resources
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13:28.05ricky_clarksonDebian: Hiding C from Linux users everywhere!
13:28.10greycatmacondo: mkdir /tmp/scratch
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13:29.05macondograycat: once i do that, do i navigate to that dir and do what?
13:29.32greycatmacondo: whatever needs doing, according to the instructions, I guess.
13:29.58macondogreycat: is it possible to run commands in that directiory?
13:30.15greycatmacondo: perhaps you would be better off switching away from pine, in the long run,
13:30.19greycats/,$/./
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13:31.20macondogreycat, i have thought of that, but mutt is a bitch to configure, i have tried it before, the man sucks
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13:31.43jm_macondo: no it's not, there's also manual.txt.gz
13:31.55jm_and web-based config file generators for it
13:32.00PhatedMutt isn't hard to configure. The manpage for the config is... really detailed, to say the least.
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13:32.21greycatand there are lots of examples out there
13:32.23vultureheck, my .muttrc is tiny.. nothing magical by any means, but functional
13:32.27greycatand you can read the manual by pressing <F1>
13:32.30vulture11 .muttrc
13:32.30macondowhere are those 'web config generators?
13:32.46si|vercatis there a keyboard shortcut to take a screenshot?
13:32.57scarynetworkguyhttp://www.dotfiles.com has some very cool examples.
13:33.03xelamsi|vercat: printscreen ;)
13:33.18macondoscarynetworkguy, you talking to me?
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13:33.27greycatsi|vercat: there can be if you create one.
13:33.43scarynetworkguymacondo: Yeah. I guess.
13:34.14dracsi|vercat: import -window root screenshot.jpg
13:34.17macondothank you
13:34.46dracthat's quick enough
13:35.17tatoohow can i copy and paste my desktop to a file?? i wanna save it to a .jpg file...
13:35.28scarynetworkguytatoo: scrot
13:35.44PhatedAnd imagemagick if you want to convert to jpg.
13:35.48scarynetworkguyWell it's a png but same thing.
13:36.22tatooscarynetworkguy: scottfree what i was found here...
13:36.43scarynetworkguy!confuse tatoo
13:36.44dpkgYes, who is their weasel today, tatoo? trousers of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies
13:36.58tatooscarynetworkguy: apt-cache search scrot
13:37.06greycattatoo: /msg dpkg screen shot
13:37.08jm_tatoo: /msg dpkg screenshot
13:37.25tatooshot or scrot??
13:37.26jair_11anyone here have been used freeNX server and client?
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13:38.05scarynetworkguytatoo: scrot apt-get install scrot should do it nicely.
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13:38.36tatooscarynetworkguy: got it man..thanks again.
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13:39.42ricky_clarksonazreal: Enjoyed?
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13:41.02sphyenxhello, is any one around?
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13:41.20pingouin_sphyenx: no we are all alone
13:41.21supamanmaby
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13:41.46sphyenxwell if so, im running knoppix 3.7 atm, every time i install debian, it seems to fail when i run startx. On loading perephials.
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13:42.20sphyenxI need a distro on the .deb, because its the only one that runs smootly for me. Also it seems that knoppix has no security. Thats why i look to Debian.
13:42.36swatikisswhat does your log say?
13:42.40sphyenxThey arw both built on the same kernal, thats why i made this descicion.
13:42.43sphyenxdoes any know know?
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13:43.02sphyenxthe last thing is the mouse, but i doubt its the mose.
13:43.04sphyenxmouse'
13:43.05jm_sphen;that's KDE stuff, try #debian-kde or #kde
13:43.13jm_sphyenx ^^^^^^
13:43.35sphyenxok
13:43.46swatikisswhat does your log say?
13:43.52swatikissoops - sry
13:43.53sphyenxfailed to load mouse
13:43.56sphyenxon startx
13:44.04pingouin_sphyenx: woody ? sarge ? what's the graphic card ?
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13:44.25sphyenxwhats the command to reconfigure, i tried the config startx
13:44.33sphyenxits a radeon 7000
13:44.45pingouin_i quit
13:44.53pingouin_dont kknow ati
13:45.02sphyenxits all good.
13:45.10pingouin_dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
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13:45.31visik7SiliconViper ok solved the behaviour of start-stop-daemon is different from woody to sid
13:45.35pingouin_sphyenx: very bab memory from ati card for me, so i avoid now
13:45.43pingouin_s/bab/bad
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13:45.51visik7so the script was test on a sid an than used on a woody
13:45.58sphyenxits all good, thaNKS for your help guys, ill use that command.
13:46.04war00Small issue with Sarge and two NICs, it does not initialize the second network card, I have added it to /etc/network/interfaces, but when I /etc/init.d/networking restart, it only resets the first NIC and never touches the second NIC, anyone know why?
13:46.16SiliconVipervisik7, awesome.
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13:46.34SiliconVipervisik7, now, I'm sleeping. Please let me be. -_-
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13:47.33greycatwar00: you probably forgot the "auto eth1"
13:47.39war00I have that, thats the weird part.
13:47.56war00its the same as the first entry except diff ips, at home I Have 4 nics in a box, no problems..
13:48.07war00not sure why it is not initiliazing this card
13:49.37war00any ideas?
13:49.49war00it resets eth0 but not eth1
13:49.55war00(also does not set it up upon bootup)
13:50.24greycatput your interfaces file on a web site somewhere so we can see it with empty lines intact.
13:50.37war00ok, sec
13:50.58jm_war00: /msg dpkg paste
13:51.10war00http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/eAIjud54.html
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13:51.23war00ignore the comment, but you see it looks setup right, yes?
13:51.50greycatyeah, looks right
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13:51.58nostromo^are debian packages that i download from official debian mirrors signed by the developers? (and are automatically checked against some built-in keystore in dpkg/apt)?
13:52.04greycatare you sure "eth1" exists?  that the driver is being loaded properly?
13:52.07war00When I networking restart, all I get is this -> e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex
13:52.12war00greycat yeah, its compiled into the kernel
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13:52.56orchidare they the same model cards?
13:52.57greycathow about "ifup -a"?
13:53.07war00orchid- nope, 1=intel other=netgear
13:53.21klarahello my qmail deamon won't stop with /etc/init.d/qmail stop. Therefore I want to kill it. How could I do this ?
13:53.21war00ifup -a is =  ifup: interface eth1 already configured
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13:53.31war00but when I reboot/etc, it does not *configure* the interface
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13:54.10supamanklara: use the kill -9 pid (get the pid from ps -A | grep qmail)
13:54.11setuidAnyone know how do I get OFF of the Debian bugtracker's email responder?
13:54.30greycatsupaman: NEVER use -9.
13:54.45jm_war00: check /etc/network/ifstate
13:54.53theJackali always use -9 :_
13:54.54greycatklara: you're probably running it from daemontools, so it respawns when you kill it by hand, but "svc -d /service/whatever" ought to work....
13:54.56supamangreycat: why not?
13:55.06caphuso!kill-9
13:55.06dpkgi heard kill-9 is do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead
13:55.07greycatsupaman: because it's like using a bazooka to kill a fly in your kitchen
13:55.12simonrvnugh. -9 is like last resort never use it 'cause it'll fuck shit up, and you don't want that, trust me, kind of Bad Thing
13:55.44supamanahaaa ... good to know
13:56.20war00jm_ it is there
13:56.27war00jnm_; eth1=eth1, hrmm
13:56.30jm_war00: yes, sure
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13:58.52OleMoudimp3 is not open source, is it?
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13:59.10valdyn_OleMoudi: mp3 is not source at all
13:59.24directhex|workOleMoudi, the mp3 codec is patented, if that's what you mean
13:59.36directhex|workOleMoudi, there are open-source implementations of mp3 though
13:59.44theJackalDITCH MP3 - SWITCH TO OGG
13:59.52directhex|workogg is a container format
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14:00.02DelphtheJackal: 'vorbis' is what you mean, i think.
14:00.04OleMoudiok, thanks for the info directhex|work
14:00.08directhex|workand it's Ogg not OGG
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14:00.21theJackalshh.. quite you...
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14:00.25theJackalquiet*
14:00.25aizaki cannot seem to get my windows key to get mapped. on xev it shows to have 0x0 value,  my XF86Config-4 says i have a pc107 us keyboard... so how can i get my Super_L(windows key) to my xmodmap list
14:00.44theJackalxev wont do it unless its mapped at the kernel
14:01.08theJackalyou need to do this with showkey to detect the real keycode
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14:01.50theJackalanybody gonna finish off for me?
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14:02.00klonI have just done a net install of debian and it now mounts the file system is read-only any one know what is wrong ?
14:02.21theJackaltry mount / -o remount.,rw
14:02.32theJackalerm, without the DOT
14:02.43theJackalbut with the comma
14:02.51klonsays file system is busy
14:03.22theJackaloh!.. your browsing your cdrom XD
14:03.42klonno
14:03.47theJackalhmm....
14:03.59klonthis is my windows box, its / that gets mounted read-only
14:04.07zinxremount,rw should never say file system is busy
14:04.16theJackaler... huh?
14:04.19zinxwhat's the line you typed?
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14:04.33klonI shall be back in 5 mins as I try again then
14:04.53theJackal<PROTECTED>
14:05.00theJackalNOT windows
14:05.05klonmount -n -o remount,rw /
14:05.17theJackalwhy the n?
14:05.20zinxyou don't need the -n, but it shouldn't hurt either
14:05.23klontheJackal; I mean Im on my windows box currently
14:05.25theJackaland the / has to proceed the -o
14:05.34zinxtheJackal: no it doesn't
14:05.39RichiHtheJackal: no
14:05.40theJackalwell, atleast its good practise
14:05.47zinxif you do put the -n, 'mount' will say it's read-only, even though it isn't
14:05.48klonoh ok, my bad I shall try agin
14:05.59war00not sure whats up but its working now, thx all
14:05.59zinxtheJackal: with most programs, it's bad practice, since the options tend to modify what's after them, not what's before
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14:06.10RichiHtheJackal: i think we could argue about the relative merrits for hours ;)
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14:06.20RichiHzinx: exactly
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14:06.30RichiHtheJackal: think tar cjf foo bar
14:06.30theJackali dont have the time tho sorry. its 3AM and i need my sleep (surprisingly)
14:06.32RikClarkGreetings gentle gurus.  Anyone know a link on how to set up a parallel port properly in debian sarge? I get 'parallel port not ready',  'printer not connected' and 'retrying in 30 seconds' when I try to print ever since aptitude and synaptic had a battle to upgrade my system this morning (what with those two anyway? why don't they get along?). A link: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?s=&postid=1407646#post140
14:06.32RikClark7646 refers to fedora core.  Would the details be the same for debian?  Thanks.
14:06.32[Granger]hmm how do you remove a user from a group?
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14:06.53[Granger]well without obviously going in and editing /etc/group manually
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14:07.11shadebobsomeone use sambafax script with hylafax?
14:07.11jm_[Granger]: man deluser
14:07.37RikClarkI got those errors from the ipp report in kcontrol's CUPS config plugin.
14:07.37greycatpersonally, I'd go in and edit /etc/group manually
14:07.48greycatisn't that the easiest way?  why would you make it harder?
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14:08.11castanyone know a way i can use /dev/hdc [a cdr] with tar or pax directly? eg: pax -w -f /dev/hdc and have it work? i suspect it isnt possible
14:08.21Delphgreycat: you might want to go as far as vigr =:)
14:08.28legisWhere can i see the contents of disc-1 ?
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14:08.47jethrocast: dd if=/dev/hdc | tar czf foo.tgz - ?
14:09.17Mattais there a chan for debian developers or is this the one?
14:09.17greycatlegis: *which* disc-1?
14:09.26greycatMatta: this is not it.
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14:09.53Mattaic, u know which one is for dev stuff?
14:09.53sharycould i post a question about dpkg and gcc here or this is the wrong place?
14:09.56castjethro: reading isnt a problem, i just cant write. kind of want /dev/hdc to behave like a tape drive [albeit a write once tape drive]
14:10.14lawnchairnone of my cron jobs in /etc/cron.daily or even in crontab -l are running...the scripts are +x  and  crond is running
14:10.21lawnchairi dont know whats going on here
14:10.26legisgreycat:  The debian iso.
14:10.26lawnchairis there something els ei can check on
14:10.30greycatnow i don no witch 1 iz teh devil room lol
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14:10.47greycatlegis: WHICH ONE?  woody?  sarge?
14:10.54valdyn_!tell shary about ask
14:10.54jethrocast: I m not sure whether you can do it, just try dd of=/dev/hdc and tell me :)
14:11.05directhex|worklegis, i can thinks of about 30 debian disc 1's
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14:11.21jm_cast: the same way you dump mkisofs output to cdrecord on stdout, but it's utterly stupid
14:11.26jcookanyone here got a debian kernel working on a SATA based box?
14:11.32resiak!anyone
14:11.32dpkg***anyone: No such nick/channel - and yes, there probably is someone, somewhere, who knows or runs it; that doesn't mean *I* do.
14:11.34directhex|workjcook, yes
14:11.38greycat!anyone use
14:11.39dpkgNo, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
14:11.40directhex|workjcook, let me guess. debian 3.0 (woody)?
14:11.42castjm_: yeah, ive thought of that. i suppose that is what ill do
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14:11.49legisgreycat: sarge-i386-1.iso
14:11.50coachzcan anyone tell me the package that has nslookup ?
14:11.54castpipe into cdrecord that is
14:11.59resiakcoachz: apt-cache search nslookup
14:11.59greycatlegis: sorry, I don't have sarge ls-R's.
14:12.05valdyn_!tell coachz about search
14:12.08jm_cast: the thing is though, you'll have to read it back with dd (proper amount of blocks)
14:12.10jethrocoachz: nslookup is deprecated, go for dig or hoost
14:12.11_rene_cast: use packages.debian.org, apt-file, apt-cache etc
14:12.13jethrohost even
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14:12.18coachzthanks
14:12.24cast_rene_: for?
14:12.27jcookdirecthex|work: debian-installer/testing
14:12.30lawnchairwtf why isnt thsi shit running ,it makes no sense what so ever
14:12.36resiakcast: Tab-completion failed _rene_.
14:12.41directhex|workjcook, tried linux26 at the boot prompt?
14:12.42coachzapt-cache search dig returned about a hundred packages
14:12.45jcookdirecthex|work: it has 2.4 on it ... but I dont have physical access
14:12.47greycat!leading punctuation
14:12.47dpkgif your nick begins with leading punctuation, nobody is going to want to help you, because typing your nick is a HUGE FUCKING PAIN IN THE ASS, even with tab completion
14:12.48RikClarkjcook:  I've installed sarge on a 64 bit box with nvidia sata.  It worked, but had constant error messages going to the console (easy to fix by nvidia IDE drivers or silencing syslog :)
14:12.52legisgreycat: is not on the site right?
14:12.53_rene_coachz: use packages.debian.org, apt-file, apt-cache etc
14:12.57_rene_cast: sorry
14:12.58lawnchair!stfu
14:12.58dpkgit has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg
14:13.03greycatlegis: download it, and then you will know.
14:13.20legisgreycat: ok
14:13.23jethrohttp://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg
14:13.24jethrooops
14:13.28RichiHwhat's the term when you visit a professor's lecture?
14:13.34ricky_clarksonRichiH: Attend
14:13.34jcookdirecthex|work: the chipset is ICH6R
14:13.37sharyOk i have recompiled the gcc-3.4, build a deb pack and installed, and i would like to use this as default compiler, but if i try to recompile the glibc they keep on using the gcc3.3, so is there a way to fix the base compiler?
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14:13.41RikClarkjcook:  The 2.6 kernel worked with the onboard nvidia hardware.  2.4 was less sucessful
14:13.41spiekeyhi
14:13.42jethrosorry I m not yet awake and missed my cut/paste
14:13.45RichiHricky_clarkson: thanks
14:13.53spiekeyi am getting the error: cangt locate module ppp0
14:14.01greycatshary: ls -ld /usr/bin/gcc*
14:14.01spiekeyis ppp0 not a device?!
14:14.08greycatspiekey: no, it's an interface
14:14.12jcookRikClark: meh ... that's sounds amd based
14:14.13legisgreycat: which one do you have the ls-R for?
14:14.21RikClarkjcook: yep
14:14.28greycat!cd contents
14:14.28dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, cd contents is http://wooledge.org/~greg/woody-3.0r0-i386-X, where X is 1,2,3..7
14:14.32ricky_clarksongreycat: With irssi I type ren<tab> and it makes _rene_
14:14.33spiekeygreycat: well, then an interface, but not a module
14:14.35directhex|workjcook, ich6 ought to be fine with a 2.6 kernel
14:14.44RikClarkjcook:  I will have to try the debian 64 port at some stage
14:14.55legisk
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14:14.56sharygreycat: apt-get source -b libc6 dosen't care about gcc it look for the /usr/bin/gcc3.3
14:14.56ricky_clarksonRikClark: Are you trying to clone me?
14:14.59directhex|workjcook, nvidia nforce 5 is being released fairly soon for intel
14:15.01jcookdirecthex|work: will that be the sata driver or the ide driver ?
14:15.03RikClarkno, honest
14:15.11directhex|workjcook, sata
14:15.11jcookdirecthex|work: noice
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14:15.18jethroricky_clarkson: irssi über alles!
14:15.22RikClarkricky_clarkson: that's just my name :)
14:15.26jcookdirecthex|work: and that's already in the initrd ... I dont have to do that?
14:15.31resiak!coincidencesmite RikClark ricky_clarkson
14:15.33ricky_clarksonMine too.
14:15.35coachzso what package has DIG ?
14:15.35Skaaghow do I make a box that netboots run everything from a local drive?
14:15.37FieldySnutsravenbird: annoy RikClark
14:15.43ravenbirdWhy do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!!
14:15.49jethrocoachz: apt-cache search dig
14:15.54coachzjethro, didn't work
14:16.05RikClarkI think FieldySnuts remembers me from my Krappix days
14:16.17FieldySnutsi don't remember anything from past a few days ago, doubt it
14:16.17jcookdirecthex|work: ata_piix ?
14:16.19directhex|workjcook, yes.
14:16.29_rene_RikClark: you proably get more answers if you are friendly...
14:16.30directhex|workjcook, no, sorry
14:16.33jcookand sd_mod
14:16.33_rene_GOD DAMNIT
14:16.43_rene_ravenbird: you proably get more answers if you are friendly...
14:16.43ravenbird_rene_: de quoi tu parles?
14:16.47directhex|workjcook, yes it's in the initrd, no that's not the module you want
14:16.49ricky_clarkson!irrigate Egypt
14:16.55RikClark_rene_:I'm always friendly...ask my gran...
14:16.57FieldySnutsheh
14:16.58resiak_rene_: FTLOG, ravenbird is a bot.
14:17.09_rene_oh, oops :)
14:17.10FieldySnutsftlog?
14:17.23resiak!ftlog
14:17.23dpkgFor The Love Of Guerin!
14:17.25resiak^^
14:17.26FieldySnutsravenbird: say !irritate _rene_
14:17.28ravenbird!irritate _rene_
14:17.28jcookdirecthex|work: what module do i want?
14:17.29dpkg_rene_: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol lol
14:17.48ricky_clarksonWhen does Debian 7.4 come out?
14:17.55FieldySnutsheh
14:17.55RikClarkhehe
14:17.55valdyn_shary: why would _anyone_ recompile gcc-3.4 or libc6?
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14:17.56resiakHahah.
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14:18.12jcookricky_clarkson: when I get my wetwire implant
14:18.18directhex|workjcook, you know, i'm not too sure. intel haven't offered a competitive product in years, i haven't paid much attention
14:18.23darkskiezwarez on debian? isnt that what non-free is in my sources.list ?
14:18.27zinxvaldyn_: because they can make it go omg 0.001% faster if they compile with their own CFLAGS!!
14:18.47directhex|workgcc 3.4 is about 10-15% faster than 3.3 on some arches
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14:18.50sharynot 0.001% if you use the right flags
14:18.50jcookdirecthex|work: huh ? ... is it libata ?
14:18.52resiak!gentoosmite dave
14:18.54resiakUh.
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14:19.09resiakSorry, dave. You apparently are more tab-completable than directhex|work.
14:19.10sharyon the xeon thay are really faster
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14:19.24mateo_hello
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14:19.30FieldySnutswenas
14:19.35mateo_I have a newbie question
14:19.35FieldySnutshow to make cable work
14:19.45mateo_how can I create a partition with command-line ?
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14:19.50jm_mateo_: man sfdisk
14:19.52directhex|workresiak, that's simply the way it is though. gcc 3.4 is MUCH faster for the arches it can optimise for, notably pentium m and amd64
14:19.54sharyvaldyn_: have you got any suggestion on how to do it?
14:19.58greycatmateo_: or cfdisk or fdisk
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14:20.04RikClarkanyone know about my parport issue please? Report due in in an hour :(
14:20.05resiakdirecthex|work: I believe you!
14:20.13resiakdirecthex|work: Now, shall I recompile my kernel with it...
14:20.26directhex|workresiak, debian amd64 kernels come pre-3.4'd
14:20.29valdyn_shary: sure, look at how libc6 is built and modify the build to use gcc-3.4
14:20.38resiakdirecthex|work: I have a pentium-m
14:20.51coachzWhat's the best small ISO to get to fix a hosed debian filesystem?   Damn small linux, knoppix?
14:20.55*** part/#debian panda (~panda@218.24.180.17)
14:20.58valdyn_shary: start at debian/rules binary i guess, in the libc6 source
14:21.04darkskiez!gentoosmite Carl Lewis
14:21.05jm_coachz: BBC Linux is also nice
14:21.06directhex|workresiak, you do? hm, i'd do kernel & libc6. maybe even x.
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14:21.10sharyvaldyn_: yeah i'm sure this would work, but i was asking if there is a way to instruct the dpkg to do it for me
14:21.12valdyn_shary: err, just debian/rules
14:21.13mateo_thanks
14:21.15azrealcoachz: i like rip
14:21.16suifurcoachz, i personally like gnoppix
14:21.17Buckowskyfilhos de uma puta sem escrupulos
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14:21.45valdyn_shary: there isn't, since  the source seems to use gcc-3.3 explcitely
14:22.05directhex|workvaldyn_, it's likely to use 'gcc' whihc is a symlink to gcc-3.3
14:22.12[Granger]how do you check which process is opening a file?
14:22.33RikClarkMaybe someone knows a channel that might know something about parallel ports?
14:22.39valdyn_directhex|work: oh, i just repeated what shary said, i dont know libc6' build system
14:22.43jm_[Granger]: /proc, lsof, fuser, LTT
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14:22.51[Granger]jm_: thanks
14:23.04FieldySnutsLTT?
14:23.06greycatwhat's LTT?
14:23.14jm_Linux Trace Toolkit
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14:24.58paulswmJeez, in meetings today all anyone wants to talk about is the Superbowl
14:25.10paulswmwhoops, wrong channel
14:25.12ricky_clarksonRikClark: Are you really the US Vice-President?
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14:25.43pirvinghelp. I'm addicted to Debian
14:25.51pirvingI need another distro.
14:25.56directhex|worktake two doses of gentoo three times a day
14:25.57ShoHss anyone ever run into a problem where an Alpha PWS 433/500/600 simply stops responding when attempting to boot the debian install when it does its PCI checks?
14:25.57pirvingXine is killing me
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14:26.16greycatpirving: /msg dpkg mplayer
14:26.46pirving#debadictsanon
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14:27.26RikClarkricky_clarkson:  Yes, and we're watching you ;)
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14:27.40ricky_clarksonRikClark: I always thought so.
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14:28.07valdyn_shary: now that seemed easy, theres a line in debian/rules : BUILD_CC = gcc-3.3
14:28.48sharyvaldyn_: yeah you're right
14:29.21julesravesI do you know if "novel client for linux" (kylix code) works with Debian?
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14:30.36directhex|workjulesraves, i can't think why not, i'm sure i've run kylix apps under debian before
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14:30.59npxmorning, etc
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14:31.57julesravesdirecthexIwork, thanks !
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14:32.28RikClarkPlease can someone running a recently moo'ed sarge with a working parallel please paste relevant lines from their modprobe list in #flood
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14:32.54ricky_clarksonmooed?
14:33.02chuggagreycat, hello
14:33.12RikClarkapt-get moo
14:33.18npxRikClark, I have a really hard time understanding that, are you a native english speaker?
14:33.26RikClarkSorry, I mean recently upgraded
14:33.41RikClarkerm...yeees...
14:33.45RikClarksorry
14:33.45npxshit.
14:33.50ricky_clarksonProbably American.
14:34.01RikClarkUK_GB actually
14:34.04zinxRikClark: apt-get moo doesn't do anything except display some text
14:34.09RikClarki know
14:34.10ricky_clarksonRikClark: Which bit?
14:34.22RichiHricky_clarkson: would you have time to go over a letter, for me?
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14:34.25jm_RikClark: read parport.txt
14:34.32ricky_clarksonRichiH: How big?
14:34.44RikClarknevermind then.  Thanks jm_
14:34.48Delphricky_clarkson: 56 point ?
14:34.50RichiHricky_clarkson: not quite an A4 page
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14:34.54RikClarki'll read the txt
14:34.54ricky_clarksonRichiH: Yes.
14:34.58RichiHhome.in.tum.de/~hartmanr/Application.sxw
14:35.01ricky_clarksonRichiH: URL or ricky_clarkson@yahoo.com
14:35.09ricky_clarksonRichiH: Which part of the UK are you in?
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14:35.11ricky_clarksonOops.
14:35.14RichiHricky_clarkson: munich
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14:35.16ricky_clarksonRikClark: Which part of the UK are you in?
14:35.25ricky_clarksonRichiH: That's one of the colonies, is it? ;)
14:35.27RichiHit's a very southern part of the uk ;)
14:35.41caphusoRichiH: we finally did it? we sold bavaria to some other country? yay for us!
14:35.50jm_hehe
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14:36.03ricky_clarksonThat's why the UK has a national debt.
14:36.14loskazzoi have a problem with my external firewire hard disk... Can you help me? thanks
14:36.16RikClarkricky_clarkson: The south (Reading), but I'm from the north (Manchester!)
14:36.19RichiHcaphuso: yah. now your GDP is about halfed
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14:36.22ricky_clarksonWe probably bought Turkey too.
14:36.25chuggagreycat, just wondering .. are you the author of KGuitar?
14:36.32RichiHcaphuso: i have to say i can't stand our gvt either, though
14:36.33ricky_clarksonRikClark: I live in Rusholme.
14:36.35PerfDaveSee? RikClark is ricky_clarkson! You're both from Manchester!
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14:36.40suifurloskazzo, more specific problems tend to warrant more help.
14:36.49ricky_clarksonPerfDave: I'm actually from Preston, but I live in Manchester.
14:37.01greycatchugga: no
14:37.01PerfDavericky_clarkson: Preston? You poor bastard.
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14:37.14chuggagreycat, oh okay
14:37.18PerfDavegreycat: Are you the author of War and Peace?
14:37.25RikClarkricky_clarkson: I grew up near Urmston (get ready for the dinnerladies jokes) but lived in didsbury and levenshulme for a while
14:37.25RichiHcaphuso: by the way. today at university, mr. broy (_the_ cs professor at tum) iin his opening speech critized schily for his 'ambitious projects lately' upon which schily and 5 of his peons left
14:37.29RichiH:)
14:37.32greycatPerfDave: no
14:37.36ricky_clarksonMaybe there are only 3 places in the UK - Reading, Preston and Manchester.
14:37.37loskazzothe disk is plugged, but i am not able to mount it
14:37.42caphusoRichiH: hahaha
14:37.43RichiHsuddenly, i found all new respect for mr. broy :)
14:37.47Delphricky_clarkson: london is not manchester.
14:37.47asgricky_clarkson: pretty sure Huddersfield still exists
14:37.53loskazzoi tried with fdisk -l, but i don't see any output
14:37.54ricky_clarksonRichiH: I teach salsa - a new venue is the Didsbury Hotel.
14:38.01ricky_clarksonGah.
14:38.06ricky_clarksonRikClark: ^^
14:38.23chuggagreycat, the guy on sf who maintains it is also called greycat
14:38.33RikClarkricky_clarkson: you never worked for relisys did you?
14:38.38ricky_clarksonNo.
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14:38.46ricky_clarksonRikClark: I used to go out with someone who lived in Urmston, near the petrol station near the motorway junction.
14:38.46klaraHow was the apt tool named which shows the installed packages ? apt-showinstalled... or something ?
14:38.52RikClarkyet another one of us then!
14:38.55ricky_clarksonklara: dpkg -l
14:39.02greycat!FAQ klara
14:39.03dpkgklara: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/
14:39.11RikClarkricky_clarkson: Lostock - I know it
14:39.15klarabut there was an apt-xxx tool also
14:39.18RichiHi created home.in.tum.de/~hartmanr/Application.txt, too
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14:39.32ricky_clarksonRikClark: Possibly ;)
14:39.46PerfDaveasg: ...unfortunately ;)
14:40.04ricky_clarksonasg: Huddersfield is just what happens when people from Leeds want to think they're posh.
14:40.04chugga4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're
14:40.05chugga<PROTECTED>
14:40.15chuggaexplain this to me :-/ 24 hours?
14:40.24ricky_clarksonchugga: Martians.
14:40.25asgricky_clarkson: true
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14:40.38mateo_hi
14:40.49mateo_how can I format a partition to fat32 with command-line ?
14:40.57ricky_clarksonmkfs.vfat
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14:41.04chuggaRicky surely they dont use debian, wouldnt they use their own OS
14:41.39mateo_ricky_clarkson, I dont have that command, in what package is included ?
14:41.41ricky_clarksonchugga: No.  The trademark Mars is already used by an earthly chocolate company, which severely damaged global Martian pride.
14:41.54ricky_clarksonmateo_: No clue.  Do you have mkfs?
14:41.57jm_mateo_: read the FAQ
14:42.01mateo_yeah
14:42.05mateo_I have mkfs
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14:42.36chuggaim using OSS, how do i switch to ALSA
14:42.42greycatchugga: /msg dpkg alsa
14:42.51mateo_ricky_clarkson, yeah and mkfs.ext3 mkfs.reiserfs
14:42.53meffwhats a good linux games site with a complete list of linux games? the game tomb and linuxgames dont have a list, just 'news'
14:42.55chuggagreycat, apt says it already installed
14:42.56mateo_but not mkfs.vfat
14:43.02greycatchugga: /msg dpkg alsa
14:43.14ricky_clarksonmateo_: Seen the FAQ?
14:43.32mateo_nop, sorry
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14:43.46chuggagrey ok my friend
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14:45.19greycathahahaha, game tomb
14:45.30chuggagreen_earz, do you think it would be a good idea to rmod my oss driver first
14:45.49chuggai mean greycat
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14:47.05legisAnyone know a fast mirror for sarge-i386-netinst.iso ?
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14:47.19jethro!tell legis about anyone
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14:48.30greycatlegis: use the bit torrent stuff.
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14:49.07legisgreycat: ok
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14:51.52sharyvaldyn_: i recompiled and rebooted and ok hpc calcus like numerical integration in montecarlo system of a mine program i obtained aout a 20% of less time of execution (recompiled glibc and the kernel with the right flags and the gcc-3.4)
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14:53.01valdyn_shary: nice!
14:53.18sharyvaldyn_: yeah sound great
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14:53.45Crysknife007sounds and looks like lots of people love debian
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14:54.19Doati'm trying to establish an ssh connection from my windows comp to my debian computer but it keeps messaging "connection refused" though i stopped shorewall
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14:54.37jm_connection refused means nothing is listening on port
14:54.44Doatoh
14:54.49RikClarkhmmm.  /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/base-addr contains two numbers, 888 and 1912.  That can't be right can it?
14:54.53Doatdo i need to start ssh first or something?
14:54.53streunerDoat: apt-get install ssh
14:55.02JennsHey guys, how do I set up xfree86 to run at 1280x960 at 100hz. I've set VertRefresh to 43-100 but it starts up at 85 for some reason :-(
14:55.10Doatí'll try that. brb
14:55.37jm_Jenns: that's probably because it has no better modeline
14:55.45valdyn_Jenns: X will only use existing modelines by default, generate your own with "videogen"
14:56.23jm_or web based modeline generators (google for it)
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14:56.36Jennshrmm
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14:58.06usnusn, arriving
14:58.39Doatstreuner: ssh was already installed. how do i start it now?
14:58.52jm_Doat: check if sshd is enabled
14:58.57streunerDoat: should be already running
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14:59.09streunerDoat: ps aux | grep ssh
14:59.21jm_Doat: dpkg-reconfigure ssh or /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run
14:59.22Doatmy debian box isn't connected to internet
14:59.30sepjethro: agreed, a lot have changed since w2k server
14:59.32Doatso im trying to do it with local ip
14:59.43Jennswhere do I place the modeline?
14:59.51jm_Jenns: man XF86Config-4
14:59.54streunerDoat: that's not a problem too
14:59.59Doatok good
15:00.00jethrothis f***ing server ain't doing nothing with icmp fragmentation needed messages
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15:00.19Doatso.. what should i do now?
15:00.53zlost1i need a little advice, how can one change their framebuffer ?
15:00.56streunerDoat: what does 'ps aux | grep ssh' say?
15:01.06zlost1preferably without a compile
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15:01.20sepzlost1: vga=ask in your grub/lilo config whatever you use
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15:01.27Doatstreuner: ok i'll try that. brb
15:01.50streunerDoat: sshd should be running
15:02.12zlost1saY its giving me vesa and i want atifb, can i do vga=atifb ?
15:02.49sepzlost1: no vge= just specify the resolution
15:03.11zlost1res is fine
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15:04.13sepzlost1: i guess you want to remove the vga= line in bootlaoder and modprobe atifb
15:04.17sharyvaldyn_: thanx for the help and see you around
15:04.42zlost1i have a problem , when running certain games it bogs down.  i think the drivers are wrong
15:04.43Doatstreuner: ok i got two rows
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15:05.05Doatstreuner: and wrote it down on a paper. what's the important part here?
15:05.42Doat"root <numbers and stuff> /usr/sbin/sshd"
15:05.57streunerDoat: important part is that the daemon is running ;-)
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15:06.08Doatand the other one "root <numbers> /usr/bin/ssh-agent x-session-manager"
15:06.25dhuvhello all i am trying to work with a file that was previously on a mainframe
15:06.39Doatstreuner: does the first one mean that it is?
15:06.40zlost1would changing framebuffers help the problem ?
15:06.52dhuvThe admins converted it to ascii, or so they say but there are a bunch of ^@ characters when viewed in vi
15:06.52streuneryes
15:06.55Doatok good
15:07.09greycats/in vi/in vim/
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15:07.23Doatstreuner: i'm still gettint "connection refused"
15:07.25dhuvdoes anyone know how to work with these types of files. i know that i can remove the ^M with ctrl+V ctrl+M
15:07.26streunerDoat: check your sshd config file
15:07.27Doatgetting*
15:07.39greycatdhuv: they're NULs.  What do you want to *do* to them?
15:07.45Doatstreuner: where is that?
15:07.48dhuvgreycat: remove them
15:07.55greycatdhuv: tr -d \\000 <input >newfile
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15:09.05chuggagreycat, alsaconf wont detect my card
15:09.07streunerDoat: /etc/ssh/
15:09.10Doathmm.. it seems the local ip's for both computers are the same
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15:10.29JYL57Hello Debian Community, looking for help configuring Ksirc behind a proxy ?!
15:10.40kevinzwhere is the "secure" log in debian? I just have a hang up of my system. When i am surfing it becomes very busy and the harddisk LED keeped on, even after i plug off the ethenet wire
15:10.44Doatstreuner: which ip should i use when trying to connect with ssh "213.216.239.86" or "10.10.9.7"
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15:11.19streunerDoat: if you aren't connected to i-net use your local IP
15:11.33hingwahhi ,i always need to delete /usr/X11R6/lib/libfontconfig.so.1 manually during upgrade  to avoid gimp 2 saying my fontconfig is too old in which the newer one is in /usr/lib , is it a known problem?
15:11.50Doatstreuner: that would be "10.10.9.7".. but it's the same for both computers :/
15:11.59streunerDoat: fix it
15:12.06Doatstreuner: how?
15:12.16jethroDoat: using ifconfig or dhclient
15:12.26Doatok
15:12.43Doatbrb
15:12.56dhuvgreycat: thanks, that got rid of the ^@ but there are a bunch more wierd chars that are still remaining, basically this file has a bunch of data in columns seperated by something and i am trying to get the file in ascii somehow so i can parse it
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15:13.14JYL57Hello Debian Community, looking for help configuring Ksirc behind a proxy ?!
15:14.50asgJYL57: try #debian-kde
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15:15.15aerewhy doesn't update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator
15:15.20aerewhy doesn't update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator work?
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15:15.22asgjethro: hiya, how are things today?
15:15.25JYL57tahnks asg ! bye
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15:15.51spect0rwhere can I buy debian sarge on CD?
15:16.05asgaere: does /usr/sbin/update-alternatives --list x-terminal-emulator work?
15:16.09jethroasg: recovering from yesterday's meeting we had with the company, went home at 4 in the morning f***ing drunk
15:16.29jethroasg: and couldn't wake up this morning to go to the office so I arrived at 3 in the afternoon :)
15:16.37asgjethro: :) our meetings are woefully sober
15:16.58jethroheh poor you :)
15:16.59streunerSpect0r: what i-net connection do you have?
15:17.08aereasg: oh it works, how strage. I executed the fist time from root
15:17.21asgaere: perhaps root's PATH is misconfigured
15:17.26spect0rstreuner: dial up
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15:17.38aereasg it's default I guess
15:17.51asgaere: well, just verify that /usr/sbin is in it.
15:18.00klaraHow could I remove sendmail without removing packages depeinding on sendmail ?
15:18.11asgaere: or that there isn't some 'update-alternatives' dummy script before /usr/sbin in the path
15:18.19asgklara: install another mta
15:18.27loceurok, dumb n00b question.  I can print (using cups) with the test print and in gedit, but mozilla (thunderbird and firefox) doesn't print.  Any ideas?
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15:18.49Crysknife007would debian be a good first install?
15:18.54klaraasg I want to do this but during this installation I got errors, look @ #flood please
15:18.57asgklara: installing nullmailer or ssmtp is useful if you don't want a full mta
15:19.02SabroManhello everybody
15:19.18aereasg echo $PATH shows :/usr/sbin:
15:19.21aereasg: hmm
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15:19.32SabroMani would like to know, what is de debian package the "dig" command is.
15:19.37valdyn_loceur: "dpkg -l | grep cupsys-bsd" ( i believe thats required, not sure )
15:19.47moshiiSabroMan: apt-cache search dig
15:19.47streunerSabroMan: dnsutils
15:20.02klaraasg but I want qmal
15:20.04spect0rso how can I buy the latest version of Sarge
15:20.08SabroManthanks guys!!!!
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15:20.30asgklara: then install qmail using the 'qmail-src' package and it will automatically remove your previous mta
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15:20.38kanatiHey, what's a good mp3 player for linux?
15:20.48shakparlxmms works fine for me kanati
15:20.51streunerxmms
15:20.56legisspect0r: The site says were.
15:21.01klaraasg: thats what I'm doing... and what occours the error
15:21.04moshiikanati: xmms, mp3blaster, mpg321 :D
15:21.11comcorugh... mysql-client-4.1 depends on libdbd-mysql-perl.. but libdbd-mysql-perl isn't compiled against it... so it (libdbd-mysql-perl) won't work with a 4.1 server
15:21.20npxif you use KDE, juk is great, mp3blaster is great if you're a console type
15:21.23comcoranyone else noticed that? (testing)
15:21.23spect0rlegis: huh?
15:21.24asgklara: if you want to compile qmail w/o using debian's qmail-src package, you need to provide dummy packages that provide 'mail-transport-agent'
15:21.31orchidspect0r: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/
15:21.37shakparlhey all i know how to bg a proc and fg in the same controlling terminal, but if i log in from different pty, is there a way to take over the process as long as i'm the same user?
15:21.38npxI've never really liked XMMS (I run at fairly high res and it just never felt right, UI elements were way too small)
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15:22.11moshiinpx: use the "double size" mode
15:22.12npxand the enlarge button makes it all pixelated and horrendous to behold
15:22.13kanatishakparl, streuner: Thx, that does lok good..
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15:22.55shakparlkanati: you can also import winamp playlists, skins and equalizer presets into xmms
15:23.09klaraasg in flood I posted now my error...
15:23.15npxmoshii I run at 1280x1024, which is high enough for normal mode to be too small and 2x to look shitty
15:23.18moshiikaffeine would be good if it didn't insist on automatically creating playlists
15:23.36npxmoshii, awkward when you've been watching pr0n and someone uses your box for a minute =)
15:23.47shakparlnpx haha
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15:24.12resiak!pronsmite npx
15:24.16npxmoshii, I really like juk
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15:24.27resiak!pr0nsmite npx
15:24.28npxit's very macintosh-like
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15:24.35resiak!pornsmite npx
15:24.35moshiinpx: it's also annoying when you open it in a lecture and crazy japanese music videos start playing ..
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15:24.46npxdude you should be spited for not spelling pr0n/p0rn with a 0
15:25.32npxsmited*, shit
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15:25.33moshiinpx: Juk manages to mash all my tags and filenames :/
15:25.33npxthis is IRC man, certain conventions must be observed
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15:25.33loceurvaldyn_: thanks
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15:25.33shakparlhey all i know how to bg a proc and fg in the same controlling terminal, but if i log in from different pty, is there a way to take over the process as long as i'm the same user?
15:25.40resiakshakparl: screen
15:25.48resiakshakparl: apt-get install screen; man screen
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15:25.53shakparlresiak: thx
15:26.03npxmoshii, Most of my stuff is uniformly tagged. I rip most of my stuff from friends' CDs and when I download, I get albumwrap files
15:26.06resiakshakparl: Try it, be addicted.
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15:26.35npx(which I can separate and tag automatically ccording to cddb definitions)
15:26.53AstinusI have a mailserver hosted behind a border firewall, my colocated box is running a remote tunnel allowing access - but the tunnel always binds to 127.0.0.1 and is therefore useless from my home. Is there any way to make my remote tunnel bind to all interfaces or even specify which interface?
15:27.28npxit's tits. giftd (or kceasy on windows) can access gnutella, openft, fasttrack, and soulseek all at the same time
15:27.40orchidshakparl: http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html decent screen tutorial
15:27.49npxyou just search for "ALBW" and have at it, all the insanely rare shit you could ever want
15:27.58moshiinpx: retagging and me don't get along.. it seems everytime I retag everything XFS kicks out and everything is reduced to their Inode numbers.. I just dump everything in a folder for that artist and leave it be
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15:28.22npxmoshii, having nice tags is one of those things I'm anal retentive about
15:28.48npxdownloading music on a dial-up makes me that way, I think...if I had cable I'd come in plastered and download 573478953 songs in 20 minutes and itd be chaos
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15:29.40moshiinpx: I'm just anal about quality.. 4mbit cable means FLAC isn't a problem ^^
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15:30.16shakparlorchid: thx!
15:30.18npxyou know, wrt quality, I really think 160kbps is as good as anything
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15:30.48joujouhi
15:30.58spect0rthe only thing I'm worried about with Debian sarge, is when I go to upgrade to kde 3.3
15:31.04spect0rthat's gonna take forever over dial up
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15:31.08joujouis it possible to backup the master boot record?
15:31.13gcbirzanYes.
15:31.25gcbirzandd if=/dev/<device> of=backup bs=512 count=1
15:31.32moshiinpx: Try ripping The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream as MP3 and FLAC.. the mp3 sucks whatever the bitrate :/
15:31.35resiaknpx: You're wrong.
15:31.36gcbirzanThe bs shouldn't be necessary.
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15:31.58resiaknpx: I can tell FLAC from Ogg.
15:32.00joujouthanks, gcbirzan
15:32.01resiaknpx: (just)
15:32.05gcbirzanWelcome.
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15:32.26loceurvaldyn_: that was it.  I didn't have lpr installed.  thanks!
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15:32.34greycatresiak: at what -q level?
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15:33.03resiakgreycat: Around 192 kbps.
15:33.11joujou1+0 records in
15:33.12joujou1+0 records out  was the output, ok?
15:33.16gcbirzanYes.
15:33.18greycatresiak: I have a funny feeling you're fooling yourself.
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15:33.50greycatresiak: last time I tried to do ABX testing (with 1.1.0 pre-release), I couldn't ABX my chosen song above -q 2.
15:33.58resiakgreycat: Meh, I have all my CDs as flac on my desktop and ogg on my desktop.  I've noticed the difference from time to time. (hence the "(just)" :))
15:34.23darkskiezfind a sample that doesnt sound right
15:34.31darkskiezand send a breif snippit to the developers
15:34.38greycatresiak: if I had *all* my CDs as FLAC (even the ones that suck), I'd need a RAID cabinet.
15:34.48resiakgreycat: What can I say? I have a small collection :)
15:35.07darkskiezgrey: but you've already god all of your CDs as RAW :]
15:35.11sussudioi think you'll find that lame --alt-preset standard is the limit at which 99.99% of people won't hear the difference between that and the original cd.
15:35.37greycatdarkskiez: a significant chunk of the CDs I have are *not* ripped at all, because they're crap my wife bought, like Bryan Adams or New Kids on the Block
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15:35.49Xemacs<<< still prefers vinyl
15:35.53RikClarkDoes anyone know why aptitude wants to remove kde 3.3.2 which synaptic has just upgraded?  They are both tracking 'testing'.
15:36.09moshiiyou can notice the difference between flac and ogg/mp3 really easily on decent speakers
15:36.27greycatmoshii: you have to give bitrates or -q settings to make that statement meaningful
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15:37.32AstinusI have a remote SSH tunnel setup, it is started from my webserver that's behind a firewall. The remote server sets it up, but the port is 8080 and bound to 127.0.0.1 on the remote server. If I SSH to remote server and then try from console, it works fine - but I need to bind to all interfaces so anyone can access :/ Can I do this using OpenSSH when I setup the link, or should I be trying somethin with iptables?
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15:37.47greycatAstinus: man ssh, man sshd
15:37.58AstinusAlready done, fck all in there about this :/
15:38.07greycatI *suspect* (mind-read, guess, tea-leaf-read) that you're using ssh -R.
15:38.15Astinusyeah
15:38.31greycatAstinus: man sshd, FIRST HIT ON "bind".
15:38.35greycatJESUS you people suck.
15:38.56Astinusssh -l root -R 8080:my.webserver.ip.here:80 remote.server.ip.here
15:39.00Doatwhat does it mean if putty gives "connection timed out" when connecting?
15:39.01greycatBAH!  First hit on bind in the *woody* man page.  The sarge man page doesn't have any.
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15:39.05Xemacsgreycat you are amazing
15:39.33AstinusYeah, so the old version of SSH works differently
15:39.34chuggagreycat, can you help with alsa
15:39.37jethroAstinus: you need -g
15:39.46greycatin Sarge: first hit on "bind" in "man sshd_config"
15:39.48Astinusjethro: I tried -g, it still binds to 127.0.0.1
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15:39.52greycatthey must've split up the man page.
15:40.01greycatchugga: no.
15:40.07jethromy bad
15:40.17greycatDoat: means a firewall, or the host is down, or a router is fucked.
15:40.17jethro-g only works with -L
15:40.18chuggagreycat, i've done what the box asked
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15:41.12darkskiezoh my god - i've been looking for that -g option for months. I was trying to do it with ip tables magic.
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15:42.09joujouwhere did it back up to? I would like to be able to restore it from a floppy by a live CD (i mean dd if=/dev/hda of=backup bs=512 count=1)
15:42.38greycatjoujou: man dd
15:43.02jethrodarkskiez: that's why it's good to rtfm
15:43.05shakparlresiak: i meant if i have a proc running from home, then ssh in from work can i take control of that via screen
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15:43.22shakparlresiak: either way screen rules
15:43.25joujougreat, now i have to decipher those parameters again
15:43.30greycatyes, screen does rule.
15:43.40greycatjoujou: OUTPUT FILE.  Jesus.  It's not rocket science!
15:43.56jethrobut has bugs with hardstatusline and too many windows opened in the same screen
15:44.04Nosf3ratuIs there a way to save syntax-hilighted html from vim while viewing a C file?
15:44.06shakparli've tried using bash and tee but i can only send stuff to the other pty, not take control of that proc
15:44.07kanatichugga: i just went through a few days of fighting with alsa.  What's your problem?
15:44.09Nosf3ratuSimilar to what perltidy does for perl...?
15:44.35chuggakanati, i've apt-get install'd alsa-base and alsa-utils
15:44.44chuggathen when i run alsaconf, it refused to detect my card
15:45.10kanatiYou know that the modules are installed in the kernel?
15:45.18greycat(What card...?)
15:45.24greycat(What kernel...?)
15:45.30chuggakanati, when i do modprobe alsa-base it doesnt give me any error
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15:45.40chuggai think its compiled into my kernel. its not a module
15:45.54joujougreat i found, how to restore it then later :P
15:45.59chuggagreycat, maestro3 .. i used it with alsa a few years ago, no problem
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15:46.09greycatchugga: stop guessing.  if you don't know, *find out*.
15:46.09chuggakernel is 2.4.27
15:46.25kanatiremove it from your kernel and use it as a module.  I don't know why, but it wouldn't find my card in alsaconf until I pulled it out of the kernel.
15:46.50chuggakanati, ok. vooodoo :-/
15:47.08caphusoNosf3ratu: the tohtml plugin does that, IIRC
15:47.13chuggakanati, but was alsaconf the way you went?
15:47.32samuelthings like AddHandler go into apache2.conf or httpd.conf?
15:47.37resiakshakparl: You have to have started it within screen.
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15:48.14chuggais alsa even compilable into a kernel?
15:48.15kanatiyeah, i had to use alsaconf once after I first (re)compiled the kernel and booted into it.  While you're in there, make sure you select the oss APIs as modules also..
15:48.23icemanI'd like for a certain directory, as soon as a new file is added, a script gets executed upon that file. Is this a bad idea, or is there a good way to acomplish this?
15:48.39Doatgreycat: well.. i've disabled the firewall.. host should be up.. that leaves us fucked up router
15:48.40Nosf3ratuThanks caphuso.
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15:49.38shakparlresiak: ok ok shoulda rtfm thx man :)
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15:50.48shakparlSCREEN RULES
15:51.00resiakshakparl: Yes, it does. Now press that Capslock key again :)
15:51.04shakparlkrkr
15:51.11shakparlsorry ahem fat finger ;)
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15:51.26jethrowhy does dpkg -i kernel-image-foo.deb unset kopt in my /boot/grub/menu.lst ? and how can I keep such settings when installing new kernels?
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15:52.35greycatjethro: uh... well, did you read the comments in the file?
15:52.42chuggagreycat, the bot didnt tell me to apt-get any alsa mkodules
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15:53.02greycatHuh.
15:53.06greycat!listkeys alsa
15:53.08dpkgFactoid search of 'alsa' by key (15 shown; 34 total): debian alsa howto ;; alsa blacklist ;; alsa tutorial ;; alsa-xmms ;; alsaplayer ;; alsa-kernel #DEL# ;; debian alsa ;; alsa-source ;; alsa download ;; said alsa ;; alsa-modules ;; be alsa advocate ;; alsalib ;; sing the alsa song ;; alsa said #DEL#.
15:53.10jethrogreycat: I m not sure I understood them the right way
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15:54.00greycat!be alsa barbie
15:54.00dpkgMaking the interface work the same for all different cards is HARD!
15:54.05resiak:)
15:54.09greycat(that's a weak one.  I couldn't come up with a better one.)
15:54.23greycatbecause... ALSA *IS* fucking hard!
15:54.31greycatit's designed by pompous assholes
15:54.34chuggamy old distro made it easy
15:54.37chugga*sigh*
15:54.42samuelshould i put changes to apache in httpd.conf or apache2.conf?
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15:54.52abrotmansamuel: what kind of changes/.
15:54.53abrotman?
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15:54.57greycatchugga: if you're not in a 2.6.x kernel, you need to get the ALSA modules, which are not part of Linux 2.4.x and earlier.
15:54.59jethrogreycat: does it mean I have to set kopt out of the MAGIC boundaries?
15:55.11chuggagreen_earz, im in 2.4
15:55.16guestishthere
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15:55.28greycatjethro: I read it as "you have to edit the # kopt=... comment but leave the `# ' in place"
15:55.35jethrogreycat: ok
15:55.37samuelabrotman, SSI, mod_status...
15:55.41greycatjethro: since I have no fucking idea with kopt= does, I don't know.
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15:55.51chuggagreycat, i have no idea which modules package to get though
15:55.52jethrogreycat: ok it's like append= in lilo.conf :)
15:56.05samuelabrotman, how do i know where to put changes?
15:56.07abrotmansamuel: isn't there a mods-available mods-included? .. also check the sites-enabled directory
15:56.23greycatchugga: the one that MATCHES your kernel-image.  PRECISE MATCH.
15:56.43greycatif you  have kernel-image-2.4.27-little-green-man then you want alsa-modules-2.4.27-little-green-man
15:56.47chuggaapt-get doesnt like any of them
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15:57.03chuggaim getting the source now, maybe that'll do it
15:57.12darkskiezjethro: there should be a comment saying look at -g under -R/-L whichever
15:57.28greycatif you build a custom kernel, you want module-assistant
15:57.33greycatand the alsa sources
15:57.42jethrodarkskiez: there should also be manpages digests for lazy users
15:58.13asggreycat: the 'kopt=' function defines the default appends that grub will add to default kernel entries it finds when you update grub.
15:58.19asgs/function/var/
15:58.28viyyerI want to burn CDs for distributing at linux-asia (www.linuxasia.com) for delhi linux user group's effort in popularization
15:58.28jethroasg: do you confirm it has to stay commented? :)
15:58.39greycatthe comments *say* to leave it commented...
15:58.40asgjethro: I've never uncommented it
15:58.56darkskiezjethro, good idea
15:58.57kanatiI know it's a long shot, but does anyone have a box running mythtv?
15:59.02greycat!anyone use
15:59.02dpkgNo, no one uses it, not even the people who use it.
15:59.02asgjethro: it seems the file has double comments '##' and single '#' comments that have some extra semantic meaning
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15:59.14viyyerwhat should I distribute debian sarge or woody ?
15:59.20greycatasg: and typos.  like 'specifiv'
15:59.22moshiijethro: it has to stay commented because it's used by update-grub not grub itself
15:59.25greycatviyyer: sarge
15:59.26asggreycat: that as well
15:59.28suifurviyyer, i'd distribute sarge
15:59.33jethrogreycat: it was set to root=/something/i/dont/have ro and I dnd't geterror messages concerning that hence why I supposed it wasn't used
15:59.58jethroanyways
16:00.01jethroI ll try and stfu :)
16:00.10samuelabrotman, mods enabled and available dont have mod_status
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16:00.18caphuso\$.*
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16:00.26abrotmansamuel: you could put them there :)
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16:00.35chuggagreycat, this module-assistant thing is sexy as hell
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16:00.40samuelabrotman, can I use httpd.conf for changes or apache2.conf?
16:00.41moshiijethro: you have to run update-grub to make your new kopt active
16:00.48samuelabrotman, i could :)
16:01.15greycatyeah, module-assistant is *ALMOST* as good as having a kernel that just fucking works and doesn't need 3rd party shit...  No, wait, it's not even close.
16:01.16abrotmansamuel: i made most of my changes in the sites-active directory .. and the loaded modules should come from mods-enabled
16:02.12chuggagreycat, you live in the clouds
16:02.20abrotmansamuel: but that would depend on what exactly you're trying to accomplish with the SSI stuff
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16:03.05samuelabrotman, nothing much... simple insert dates and things like that
16:03.14abrotmanerm .. ok
16:03.32icemancreds to whoever wrote nvidia-oneliner factoid
16:03.48greycatchugga: "I have a dream..."
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16:04.20chuggagreycat, well lets hope you keep it in a safe place
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16:05.21markl__is there a way to have SSH listen on just one interface (as opposed to ListenAddress)?
16:06.03chuggagreycat, the funny thing is the 2.4 kernel has the driver for my card .. i just have to use alsa for all the braindead audio apps
16:06.40samuelabrotman, so, im confused... if i put all my changes in the sites-active directory then will that work for the virtual site thats listed there? the default site on my computer?
16:06.53greycatI use a SB Live (emu10k1) with OSS under 2.4.x and I have *zero* problems.
16:07.07abrotmansamuel: for the site that is there afaik ...
16:07.17samuelabrotman, thanks
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16:07.23npxI use the same hardware with alsa with *zero* problems
16:07.33npxquick howto: modprobe snd-emu10k1;modprobe snd-pcm-oss
16:07.35npxpwnt
16:07.59greycatmarkl__: in what way does ListenAddress fail to satisfy your needs?
16:08.04samuelabrotman, do you know why apache-common package never overwrites or replaces apache2.conf?
16:08.12markl__greycat: i'm trying to have a single sshd_config that works on like 50 boxes
16:08.19chuggagreycat, have you tried using stuff like rosegarden or ardour
16:08.19abrotmansamuel: no .. i'm not the apache packager .. sorry
16:08.24greycatchugga: no
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16:08.40samuelabrotman, thanks for the help
16:08.49greycatchugga: remember, if you can't find help here, ask #alsa
16:09.01markl__greycat: i'm sure i could sed in the proper address automatically or something if i have to, but i'd rather avoid that if possible
16:09.09chuggagrey, thanks
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16:10.07greycatmarkl__: that may be the way to go.
16:10.21markl__ok thanks!
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16:11.02hermitkidgood morning
16:11.17Huahuagood morning
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16:12.19hermitkidI'm having a bit of an issue witha crappy network card in one of my servers and I absolutely hate setting switch ports to autonegotiate. What's the 'cleanest' way of setting the linkspeed? I figured I could use the media option but interfaces is very vague about its usage
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16:13.12hermitkidI'm thinking about just dropping something into rcS.d that runs mii-tool but that seems a bit rough
16:13.21hermitkidany other suggestons?
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16:13.51NaturalRootsi use debian sarge
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16:13.55NaturalRootsapache 1.3.33-3
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16:14.03NaturalRootsi put options Syntax error on line 58 of /etc/apache/httpd.conf:
16:14.03NaturalRootsInvalid command 'RewriteEngine', perhaps mis-spelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration
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16:14.15CosmoDad_I'm trying to understand the structure of the /etc/networking/interfaces file. Can anyone explain to me the meaning of "map FOO BAR" lines in mapping stanzas?
16:14.16RawplayerNaturalRoots: www.apache.org
16:14.17NaturalRootsdon't exist this option in apache debian?
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16:14.44hermitkidNaturalRoots: looks like mod_rewrite is not being loaded
16:14.47RawplayerCosmoDad_: man 5 interfaces
16:14.49PerfDaveCosmoDad_: man 5 interfaces
16:15.01NaturalRootshermitkid : yes load
16:15.25hermitkidNaturalRoots: the only way you would get that error message is if mod_rewrite is not loaded
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16:15.49CosmoDad_Rawplayer, PerfDave: tried that, yet I'm not sure of the meaning
16:15.57shuncoxleave
16:16.09Rawplayer:?
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16:16.19drjesushey i need some help getting my scroll wheel working in X in Debian 2.4
16:16.22greycatthe Debian interfaces(5) page *sucks* as documentation.
16:16.27hermitkidgreycat: no shit
16:16.31greycatI have no clue what that "map" crap is, nor do I care
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16:16.39greycat!man interfaces
16:16.39dpkgEdit /etc/network/interfaces.  For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp     For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg
16:17.35CosmoDad_I'd like my notebook to use ethernet if the cable is connected, otherwise the WLAN interface, but not both at the same time
16:17.42CosmoDad_thought mapping is what i needed for that purpose
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16:18.05drjesusis there a special driver name that i need to use to enable the third button my my ps/2 mouse?
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16:18.33CosmoDad_prob is I don't know how to automatically set up wlan interface if eth-cable is missing and not set it up if eth-cable is plugged in
16:18.37Daaaanihello i got a hyundai L70S+ 17" TFT how do i install it?
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16:19.42greycatdrjesus: no
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16:20.56XemacsCosmoDad_, man ifup
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16:22.08zarchneHey, the latest security announcement (Python) mentioned how to upgrade sarge.  Does that mean security updating for sarge is coming on-line?
16:22.27CosmoDad_Xemacs: I don't see how this would help
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16:22.45hermitkidzarchne: what do you mean?
16:22.54CosmoDad_Xemacs: I need "conditional interfaces", not loading all of them on boot-up
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16:23.10XemacsCosmoDad_, It will allow you to take down/up interfaces
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16:23.33hermitkidzarchne: security.debian.org has always had packages for testing
16:23.58CosmoDad_Xemacs: sure. but how to do decide that on boot-up? I need (eth0 and NOT wlan) or (NOT eth0 and wlan) if you know what I mean
16:24.09PerfDaveCosmoDad_: There are pacakges for automatic network configuration of the type you mention.
16:24.10CosmoDad_Xemacs: I want it on-thy-fly
16:24.19hermitkidCosmoDad_: you could write a small shell script parsing mii-tool
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16:24.26PerfDaveCosmoDad_: laptop-net is one
16:24.27Daaaanihow do i install my Hyundai L70S+ monitor?
16:24.32hermitkidCosmoDad_: parsing the mii-tool output I meant
16:24.54PerfDaveDaaaani: Plug it in to your computer, provide power.
16:24.54boycerDaaaani: plug it in?
16:25.00greycatDaaaani: power into wall, signal into video card, press power button.
16:25.08CosmoDad_PerfDave: ooh nice looks exactly like what I want
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16:25.38mrnullwhere can i get a list of sources for my sources.list file?
16:25.43greycatmrnull: /msg dpkg mirrors
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16:25.50Daaaanihmm i done that but the problem is that when I install nvidia drivers my x says "video out of range" or somethin like that
16:25.50mrnullthanks
16:25.51CosmoDad_hermitkid: thx for the hint but if there's a package suitable I'm gonna go for that
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16:26.02zarchnehermitkid:  They aren't mentioned in the debian-security-announce announcements.   And "debian-security updates for sarge come online" is a major blocker for the release.
16:26.08boycerDaaaani: you need to configure the resolutions in X
16:26.30Daaaaniso i don't have to tell linux specific what monitor i got?
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16:26.34boycerDaaaani: it's in /etc/X11/XF86-Config iirc
16:26.46boycerDaaaani: or /etc/X11/XF86-Config-4
16:26.46Daaaanihow do i do that?
16:26.52dvsDaaaani: You have to enter the proper frequency ranges of your monitor
16:26.58valdynDaaaani: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
16:27.36chugga_greycat, what modules do i modprobe for alsa .. ive built them
16:27.43hermitkidalsa sucks
16:27.46HelmutGhi. i have two sarge maschines. one exporting /home (ext3, usrquota, 2.4 kernel, user-server, rpc.rquotad running) and one mounting it. using quota i can see how much quota i have although it does *not* prevent me from writing more. why?
16:27.55hermitkidthat's all there is to it ;)
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16:28.39fatal_Daaaani: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" to recongure X ... if you want to insert exact values in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 a hint is to install the read-edid packages and use get-edit|parse-edid ....
16:29.00cahootchugga: tried snd-maestro3 and snd-pcm-oss (for oss emulation)?
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16:29.27chugga_cahoot, im having problems with that
16:29.35chugga_lib/modules/2.4.27/updates/alsa/snd-maestro3.o: post-install snd-maestro3 faile
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16:29.50fatal_Daaaani: edid only works on new monitors though, but you seem to have a new one.
16:29.56HelmutGany idea why quotas don't work over nfs?
16:30.30fatal_the network filesystem doesn't support quota?
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16:31.25FieldySnutsnfs doesn't support quotas at least by default. maybe it can be turned on (kernel)
16:31.28chugga_cahoot, ok, the modules seem to be loaded. and i can use the mixer, but xmms wont play
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16:31.57HelmutGfatal_: oh. they support it. it just does not work.
16:32.10cahootchugga: you've checked no oss module is loaded?
16:32.13HelmutGfatal_: limits are not enforce although being displayed.
16:32.21chugga_cahoot, yes
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16:32.42azrealchugga_: are you in the "audio" group?
16:32.43cahootchugga: /proc/asound/cards lists correct card?
16:32.54chugga_azreal, im root
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16:33.04Varg_Is there a way to kill specific remote connections to a server that are listed in netstat -a?
16:33.11chugga_chugga_, i unloaded everything and now it lists nothing
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16:34.02bernardI've download a software with apt-get source and modified the source code (and it's working). This software has only one binary program. How can I can rebuild a pkg with a alternative name for the pkg and the binary program (and man page)?
16:34.18cahootchugga: and you still can use the mixer??
16:34.33chugga_0 [PCI            ]: Maestro3 - ESS Maestro3 PCI
16:34.34chugga_<PROTECTED>
16:34.37chugga_thats what the proc file says
16:34.46chugga_but the driver didint load properly. giving the same error as before
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16:34.57chugga_could i have the wrong driver compiled :s
16:35.32cahootchugga: aplay 'some.wav' produces no sound?
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16:35.51chugga_cahoot, i cant hear it
16:36.01Varg_Is there a way to kill specific remote connections to a server that are listed in netstat -a?
16:36.11chugga_wait. sorry. yes i can1
16:36.18chugga_the levels were turned too low
16:36.26azrealoh my god
16:36.26takatumi19:35:13 up 4 days,  3:26,  7 users,  load average: 0.08, 0.02, 0.00. (with xfree, galeon, lyx, mutt, screen, irssi and lyx) yay!
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16:36.46azreal!pummel chugga_
16:36.54cahootchugga: tried alsaconf again?
16:36.55chugga_azreal, blame xmms =/
16:37.01chugga_cahoot, it wont work
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16:37.50cahootchugga: how did you load the module? insmod or modprobe?
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16:37.53jethroVarg_: tcpkill
16:38.01Varg_jethro: thanks
16:38.05chugga_cahoot, mod
16:38.13jethroVarg_: yw think it's part of dsniff if it's not a package by itself
16:38.22takatumialsa either just works or it's just painful to get it working. strange extremes.
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16:38.48Varg_jethro: checking now, thanks
16:38.50cahootchugga: looks to me alsa actually works
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16:39.14chugga_cahoot, well why cant i use xmms - ive tried telling it to use alsa and OSS
16:39.17HelmutGargh. i found a bug that was already found by some suse users.
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16:39.37HelmutGi'll submit it tomorrow or later. ;)
16:39.46cahootchugga: ie snd-pcm-oss is loaded?
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16:40.18chugga_cahoot, yeah
16:40.42takatumichugga_: is it only xmms?
16:41.02chugga_takatumi, aplay worked.. havent tried anything else
16:41.31chugga_and by work i mean it doesnt start playing
16:41.33FieldySnutsravenbird: moo?
16:41.33ravenbirdmooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/moo/
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16:41.56takatumichugga_: you sure the volume is not muted.
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16:42.48chugga_takatumi, its not, i can play using aplay?
16:42.51azrealchugga_: wait, lets try this again... are you SURE you cant hear it?
16:43.14chugga_azreal, the player slider thingy isnt moving - ie its not playing
16:43.15takatumichugga_: is that a question or an answer?
16:43.18chugga_let me trying playing something else
16:43.22chugga_tak_, the answer is no
16:43.54azrealchugga_: good plan
16:43.56chugga_ah fuc. it was the file.
16:44.01chugga_it must be corrupt or something :(
16:44.10chugga_sorry guys
16:44.13chugga_thanks :)
16:44.14takatumi"19:41        chugga_ |  takatumi, aplay worked.. havent tried anything else" "19:41        chugga_ |  and by work i mean it doesnt start playing"
16:44.27chugga_i wasnt playing the same file
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16:44.32takatumithat's got to be qotd.
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16:45.31takatumiSlayerXP: sounds like it was painful.
16:46.00SlayerXPtakatumi: it was a pest and not helped by braindead assumptions on behalf of ATI
16:46.06ricky_clarkson!qotd0
16:46.06dpkgextra, extra, read all about it, qotd87 is <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you?
16:46.10ricky_clarksonHaha!
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16:46.31takatumi!qotd666
16:46.31dpkgi heard qotd666 is <aragorn> | i cant make "ê", it will result in "^e". i dont know what to do.
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16:47.10JYL57Hello debian community !
16:47.26JYL57how to configure ksirc behind a proxy ?!
16:47.31takatumi!pal JYL57
16:47.35chugga_hahah
16:47.35Rawplayerdunno
16:47.38chugga_debian community
16:47.53takatumichugga_: what's so funny?
16:48.01darkskiezso how do you enter e acute/grave etc  then ?
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16:48.54asg!ksirc
16:48.54dpkgit has been said that ksirc is a script for sirc, but I may be wrong, or  asg> ni: have you asked in #debian-kde? ni> yeah ni> they told me ksirc is ugly and sucks balls asg> hahaha
16:49.02azrealanyone know if you can check out the qotd's online?
16:49.15asgazreal: /msg dpkg listkeys qotd
16:49.21kraftwerkhello. i plan to expand my experience in linux and would like to make a Linux From Scratch - just for fun. but i only got one computer and i won't reboot it anytime. i thought, an emulator could be good for me. but which shall i use? bochs? user mode linux? can you help me?
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16:49.45jethrokraftwerk: this ain't the good place for polls
16:49.49takatumiJYL57: irssi-text
16:49.52mutantspideri finally got grub installed on my laptop, need a little help though to boot debian. It can't find the partition. It's set to load (hd0,0), the debian os is on my 1 and only hard drive on the second partition. Any ideas
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16:49.54azrealasg: i meant on the web
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16:50.16mutantspideri installed grub after ghosting an image of debian to my laptop
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16:50.18takatumimutantspider: (hd0,1)
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16:50.25mutantspidertried, didn't work
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16:50.57asgazreal: http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune (my last compilation into fortune format)
16:51.11azrealasg: thanx
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16:51.17takatumimutantspider: hda2 is (hd0,1) so that isn't your problem then.
16:51.42paulswmmutantspider: is the hd0 entry correct in grub's device.map?
16:51.46mutantspiderwell, in the meantime, how do I make it boot windows by default, it's at the bottom
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16:51.57crowhow to see mounted and used partition on debian(need to now what nativ and swap partition are being used to format rest)
16:52.02takatumimutantspider: info grub
16:52.07ywfnHey I am trying to install a wireless card on an old laptop but I can't get it to work:it shows on iwconfig but I get link quality 0/92 no matter how close to the AP I get
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16:52.23asgcrow: df
16:52.28takatumimutantspider: tried running update-grub?
16:52.55asgywfn: does 'iwlist <interface> scan' list your AP?
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16:53.23JYL57takanumi : what do you mean, is it a conf file ?!
16:53.47ywfnasg: It says that interface doesn't support scanning...I am using the orinoco_cs driver if that helps
16:53.57takatumiJYL57: no, apt-cache show irssi-text; apt-get install irssi-text
16:54.00Daaaaniwhat bittorrent program can i get with apt-get?
16:54.08takatumiywfn: same here.
16:54.17asgywfn: does your ap have an essid? are you using WEP? have you configured the interface to use any of these?
16:54.19zinxDaaaani: the official python one
16:54.28zinxDaaaani: apt-cache search bittorrent
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16:54.34zinxDaaaani: apt-cache show <package name you want described>
16:54.39SlayerXPDaaaani: apt-cache search bittorrent
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16:54.53muaddibhello all
16:54.57crowasg dont see swap partition...
16:55.04PerfDaveI don't think there are any Bittorrent programs in Woody.
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16:55.09muaddibin IMP specfically 3.0 how our mailfilters processed meaning where our they read from and what process (appplication does the filtering to imap folders
16:55.10asgcrow: then use fdisk(1) to identify which it is
16:55.18asgcrow: also, consult /etc/fstab
16:55.29ywfnasg: yes my AP does have an ESIID ...no I am not using WEP...I have the ESSID field empty which should allow me to log on to any available AP
16:55.37jethroywfn: no
16:55.56jethroywfn: it should allow you if the AP accepts beacon without ssid set
16:55.59jethro*if*
16:56.06asgywfn: try 'iwconfig <interface> essid <essid>' ; 'iwconfig <interface> mode managed' ; dhclient <interface>
16:56.07icemanis it not possible to specify uid/gid when mounting reiserfs?
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16:56.23asgiceman: man mount (/reiser)
16:56.43icemanasg: I've read that of course
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16:56.51jethroywfn: and btw, orinoco_cs sucks goats, you should go for hostap, and use the managed mode
16:57.03asgiceman: then, if it's possible, it should just use the standard mount options that all filesystems use.
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16:57.49takatumijethro: orinoco_cs works fine here, what are the advantages of hostap? and would it work for a linksys card?
16:57.54icemanasg: so if I can't use -o gid=somegroup I should conclude that it's impossible?
16:58.28asgiceman: no, I'd do more investigation before coming to that conclusion.
16:59.09icemanyea, the "more investigation" part is me asking in #debian
16:59.19takatumiJYL57: yes, that's what I use.
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16:59.22asgiceman: then wait a while and ask again, people come and go.
16:59.22jethrotakatumi: it works for any prism2/2.5 802.11b card, and I got better results with hostap in terms of quality
16:59.45chugga_anyone use Jack with debian?
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16:59.55Mr_ClayHeadgreets all
16:59.56crowasg are these partition that have + used now like (250000+)
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17:00.07asgcrow: in what context?
17:00.09ywfnasg: that worked thanks a lot
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17:00.16crowasg i have 2 with + and 2 without it Blocks
17:00.33crowasg i wonna del unused partition from disk
17:00.40jannolI wanna ask what to do when I cannot install libx11
17:00.42asgcrow: oh, that just means blocks + a bit of a block
17:00.46FieldySnutsravenbird: say !irritate crow
17:00.47asgywfn: you're welcome
17:00.48ravenbird!irritate crow
17:00.48dpkgcrow: wenas who uses dvd !!!1
17:01.01jannoli use apt and my sources are sarge and sid
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17:01.16asgjannol: don't mix sources for a start
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17:01.31jannolok, didn?t know that
17:01.57asgjannol: while you can run mixed sid / sarge, there might be problems. Better to run one or the other (preferrably the former)
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17:02.19asgjannol: er, in your list, not mine.
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17:04.04roverI'm trying apt-get upgrade a woody system with some backports and I'm getting an error which I'll paste into #flood. Any hints at what I should do?
17:05.07asgrover: which backports?
17:05.25Snadderwhats an good, but not cpu consuming desktop?
17:05.31asgSnadder: ion
17:05.32roverasg: rsync module-init-tools e2fsprogs procps
17:05.48asgrover: hmmm
17:06.06valdynSnadder: "desktops" don't typically consume cpu
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17:06.12roverasg: after that error, it tries to upgrade libc6 and I get different errors. I'll post those in #flood
17:06.13Marticuscool
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17:06.37Marticusjust completed moving my domain to my broadband connection because IT dept at work were being pricks
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17:07.05valdynSnadder: xfce4
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17:07.08asgrover: if you can (and this might not work given the state of your system) what does 'apt-cache policy libc6' show as the installed version?
17:07.09Marticusback to idling
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17:07.45Marticusoh, btw, where would one place a dyn dns updater script if one wanted only to run it if a new ip is leased?
17:07.51jannolhmm well, how can I fix it then, it didn't help to remove my sarge still error with depencies
17:07.58roverasg: Installed: 2.2.5-11.5
17:07.58Marticususing woody...
17:07.59asgMarticus: in /usr/local and run it from cron
17:08.09Marticusasg, I have done this
17:08.11asgrover: what is the Candidate?
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17:08.14FieldySnuts@lart
17:08.16MarticusI want to get away from croning it
17:08.21valdynjannol: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
17:08.22linuxclubhy
17:08.25roverasg: Candidate: 2.2.5-11.8
17:08.27linuxclubi am paolo
17:08.33linuxclubi need information
17:08.35fuatdoes anyone know where to get some Icons, (File Type)
17:08.36Marticuswouldn't it be more efficient to include it in the config for the dhcp client?
17:08.39asgrover: take valdyn's advice then
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17:08.58linuxclubi must to buy a pc x86 athlon 64 bit
17:08.58MarticusI thought there was a way to check for events and run scripts accordingly
17:09.04jannolok
17:09.14Marticusbut I don't know how debian has integrated the dhcp client
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17:09.28linuxclubthe pheripherics i need it are
17:09.35asgMarticus: it depends on the dhcp client you are using.
17:09.36Marticusasg, any thoughts on that approach?
17:09.37Marticuserr
17:09.57Marticusdhcp3-client   3.0+3.0.1rc9-2
17:09.58roverasg: same errors :(
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17:10.14azrealasg: im laughing my ass off reading these qotd's
17:10.16FieldySnutsman dhcp or dhcpcd or something
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17:10.30Marticusazreal: which quotes?
17:10.31asgazreal: yeah, there are some good ones (and some sad ones.)
17:10.36roverasg: I'm having a hard time understanding which package is causing the problem
17:10.44linuxclubmotherboard asustek k8n-e socket 754 for athlon amd 64 bit
17:10.46azrealMarticus: #debian qotd's
17:10.54ricky_clarksonazreal: Enjoy lisa.txt?
17:10.55asg!info libc6 woody
17:10.58dpkglibc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.2.5-11.5 (woody), Packaged size: 3303 kB, Installed size: 12760 kB
17:10.59azreal<PROTECTED>
17:11.10azrealricky_clarkson: hey, yeah that was an amuseing tale
17:11.38ricky_clarksonHow was that page generated?
17:11.39linuxclubarchitecture amd 64 with possibility to simultaneosuly elaboration to 32bit and 64 bit
17:11.45Kerri'm getting encrypted data errors in gxine trying to play a dvd i bought.. there was some lib or other i installed on my other pc to fix this but i forgot it.
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17:12.01ricky_clarksonazreal: It's ongoing.  Found out that breast-cancer-patient has been after me for months.
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17:12.08asgrover: well -8 is a security update, so that should be fine.
17:12.09linuxclubtechnology amdù cool and quiet
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17:12.34linuxclubchipset nvidia geforce 3
17:12.46linuxclubbus system 800 mhz
17:13.06Marticusis someone here familiar with dhcp3 client configuration and using event execs
17:13.12roverasg: If my current libc6 is broken, then apt-get wouldn't be able to install the upgrade?
17:13.14asgrover: did you use backports so you could run a 2.6 kernel on woody?
17:13.16valdynrover: have you tried reinstalling  the packages the offending files are from?
17:13.31azrealricky_clarkson: oh man, i will keep checking back.
17:13.48roverasg: I was going to but then realized I couldn't.
17:14.03linuxclubram 3 socket for dimm to 184 pin with support max 3 gb ram memory ddr sdram ddr400/ddr333/ddr266 ecc/not ecc un-buffered
17:14.03Indalhmm if i make a change to a lookup table with exim, would it need to re-read the table, or does it automatically just reference the file?
17:14.16SlayerXPNeed to get 204MB/269MB of archives.
17:14.21SlayerXP*note to self* upgrade more often
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17:14.39paulswmazreal: the qotds are hilarious, thanks
17:14.46linuxclubexpansion slot 1 for agp 8x for 1.5 volt and 5 pci
17:14.50valdynrover: you installed a package that requires glibc2.3.... evil
17:15.10ricky_clarkson!qotd59
17:15.11dpkgqotd59 is, like, <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women.
17:15.16rovervaldyn: It seems there are a few that do
17:15.16asgazreal: now to find a way to automatically generate the qotd fortune file (without slamming the bot.)
17:15.24FieldySnutshah
17:15.30FieldySnuts@qotd12
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17:15.36FieldySnutslame
17:15.36valdynrover: how did you manage to do that? --force-all ?
17:15.41KerrUGH! fucking power spike. Glad i wasn't doing anything important.
17:15.47rovervaldyn: no, I don't thinks so.
17:15.56rpm2debhello people!  i am new to debian and would like to know the *exact*  equivalent on debian of the command rpm -qis
17:15.59FieldySnutsget a good ups. not cheap, but a whole lot cheaper than losing everything.
17:16.05linuxclubchipset 2x ultradma 133/100/66/33 2 x serial ata raid support raid 0, raid 1, raid 0 plus 1
17:16.12FieldySnutsone with AVR (automatic voltage regulation)
17:16.26valdynrover: i doubt backports packages would do such an evil thing
17:16.28rovervaldyn: would you advise reinstalling at this point?
17:16.41rpm2debi have to tell you that i do not use rpm on debian nor i have it installed!
17:16.43rovervaldyn: I may have a testing package in there also.
17:16.47Marticusokay, I suppose I will have to dig deeper into the dhcp3 docs
17:16.58asgrpm2deb: what does rpm -qis do?
17:17.09linuxclubgibabit  lan chipset ùùùùùùùùùùmarvell phy 10/100/1000 base-t ethernt
17:17.15paulswm!qotd41
17:17.15dpkgsomebody said qotd41 was <Mandork_> how does pron work anyways ?
17:17.21valdynrover: hmm, i suppose if you really didnt force packages in then you must have somehow hit a bug upgrading woody->testing
17:17.31FieldySnutspaulswm: do #12
17:17.45paulswm!qotd12
17:17.45dpkg<thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun  <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis
17:17.54asghah
17:17.55valdynrover: yea, reinstall is easiet, probably, just backup relevant config files
17:17.58linuxclubiee1934 controller via vt6307 support 2 ports 1394 firewire
17:18.03rovervaldyn: do you know of an easy way to find the testing packages if any?
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17:18.12FieldySnutsi didn't know what it was, but that's funny
17:18.25KerrEncrypted media stream detected Media stream scrambled/encrypted   - in gxine when trying to play a dvd... help :/ ?
17:18.33linuxclub8 doors usb 2.0
17:18.38ricky_clarksonOh yeah..
17:18.49valdynrover: hmm, there should be a quick way to do that, but i dont know it
17:18.58*** part/#debian amc1 (~alastair@ip-133-126.sn1.eutelia.it)
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17:19.06rpm2debasg: man rpm (if you have it installed on debian). However, rpm -qis will tell you the name of the package, version, compilation date, date you installed the rpm, what the rpm provides (all the files!)
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17:19.16roverok, thanks, valdyn, asg
17:19.21rpm2deband the url of the original developer
17:19.24linuxclubai bios crashfree bios2 qfan 2 post reporter
17:19.29joujouI'm trying to move my linux partitions, i've copied all of the data from hdb5 to hdb7 (more room), I can't boot into the new copied installation.  I've added a new entry to grub menu(with root (hd1,6) ) , but it just boots back into the old install!
17:19.41valdyn!downgrade
17:19.41dpkgdowngrade is, like, not possible with apt-get currently.  No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html
17:19.46asgrover: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | egrep -i 'sarge|testing'
17:19.53azreal!qotd39
17:19.53dpkgi guess qotd39 is <concac> hey people, how come my password root is concac1113 and if i type su and concac it will accept the root password
17:20.01azreali love that one!
17:20.05rpm2debi have googled, read man pages, asked debian friends and NO ONE knows!
17:20.18valdynrover: look at what dpkg said, maybe it can help you, i doubt that it would be easier than reinstall though
17:20.25rpm2debit seems that not even you people!
17:20.28asgrpm2deb: there isn't a single dpkg command for that
17:20.29jethronow we have high grade lusers on #debian
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17:20.33paulswmOne I love:
17:20.34rpm2debaha!
17:20.36jethrofor such qotd to exist
17:20.37paulswm!qotd82
17:20.37dpkg<florian> how can i make sound faster and more stable?   <greycat> sound?  *faster*?   <greycat> you want to hear chipmunks?
17:20.38legis!afaik
17:20.38dpkgi guess afaik is some kind of acronym...but nobody knows what it means, As Far As I Know. ask me about 'imnkatf'.
17:20.42jannolok, now it seems like it works better, I choosed sarge and only sarge as my sources
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17:20.49asgrpm2deb: apt-cache show, apt-cach policy, (if you have the deb, then dpkg -c <deb>, dpkg -f <deb>)
17:21.02RichiH!imnkatf
17:21.03dpkgsomebody said imnkatf was I May Not Know All That Far
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17:21.05asgrpm2deb: no current utility (save maybe aptitude) indicates the install date on the system.
17:21.10linuxclubhard drive 200 gb sata barracuda seagate
17:21.10RichiHheh
17:21.15jethro!botabuse
17:21.16dpkglay off me you buggerererers!!11!
17:21.19jannolasg, < thx
17:21.21rovervaldyn: I think a reinstall isn't a bad option. This is an automated backup server and has all the backup data on a separate RAID device.
17:21.29asgjannol: cool, you're welcome
17:21.44linuxclubram 2x 512mb ecc pc3200
17:21.51legis!debian
17:21.51dpkgsomebody said debian was http://www.debian.org.  See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents
17:21.54rpm2debnot only the date it was installed but the day it is compiled
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17:21.58MarticusRichiH it may be easier to type I may not know all that far :)
17:22.06FieldySnutsravenbird: lart rpm2deb
17:22.08asgrpm2deb: oh, apt-cache show <pkg> should tell you that
17:22.09jethrolegis: /msg the bot please
17:22.10Marticusthan to remember the acronym
17:22.10linuxclubsvga ati 9550 agp 8x
17:22.22legisjethro: k
17:22.23rpm2debNO itdoes not!\
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17:22.48jethrorpm2deb: /nick alien
17:22.51rovervaldyn: I wouldn't be against dist-upgrading this system to testing. Do you think that can be done without too much hassle or is it better to just reinstall?
17:22.55linuxclubsony dru 510 wr 7 read 16
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17:23.34rovervaldyn: I just realized, I'll have the same issue with the dist-upgrade
17:23.37rpm2debjethro: what if you do not have neither rpm nor alien instaled on your box??
17:23.48thor-My debian box is connected to a 100mb full duplex no autonegotion switch.  when the machine boots it sets the card to 100mb half duplex.  is there som way to get it to start with 100mb full duplex.  right now I'm using mii-tool in /etc/rc2.d to set it right
17:23.49linuxclubthis requirement can give me the opportunity to use any distribution about gnu/linux and other kernel; microkernel or i can have problems ?
17:23.54Marticusrpm2deb then you are sol
17:23.59jethrorpm2deb: dpkg is enough for me :)
17:24.02Marticusheh
17:24.10jannolasg, although the dist-upgrade is still workin but the output told me that following is going to be upgraded ... and there were a lot but among those I noticed a bunch of libx*
17:24.12Marticusjethro indeed
17:24.12insanekanehi ... i have a local repository for some packages ... and i need to setup apt such that, for the packages in my local repository, it wont try to install anything from other other repositories i have in my sources.list ... how can i do this ?
17:24.12usr010i keep getting lost in windows there EVERYWHERE!
17:24.24asgrpm2deb: the changelog in /usr/share/doc/<pkg>
17:24.31Marticususr they're?
17:24.59greycatthor-: I think the "debian way" is to put your mii-tool command in an "up" line in the interface's stanza in interfaces(5)
17:25.02asgrpm2deb: the changelog.Debian.gz one, not the package changelog
17:25.04rpm2debjethro, Marticus: that info is very important and i should be listed or be accessible with 1 command
17:25.34rpm2debi am talkin about ALL the info the rpm -qis command gives you
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17:26.08FieldySnutstroll.
17:26.19icemanis there any way to "repair" damaged tar archives?
17:26.26thor-greycat: thx
17:26.27PerfDaverpm2deb: So write an alias to run multiple commands when you type one ;)
17:26.33FieldySnutsmake a new tar out of the original data, otherwise, probably not
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17:28.10rpm2debPerfDave: well, something like what??
17:28.34PerfDaveSomething like rpm -qis? ;)
17:29.13Marticuswow...
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17:29.46FieldySnutsman bash and look for alias, or man alias, i forget which (and/or)
17:30.22ricky_clarkson!dostounix
17:30.42ricky_clarksonAny clues how to convert a text file from/to UNIX format from/to DOS?
17:30.59KimHansenIs the date a package is created saved somewhere in .deb ?
17:31.00PerfDavedos2unix, unix2dos
17:31.01asg!dos2unix
17:31.01dpkg[dos2unix] in the sysutils package, or at http://www.bsd.org/dos2unix.html, or  perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' <filename>, or recode, or fromdos, or tr -d \\r, or on some non-gnu systems would also (unexpectedly) convert the charset, or apt-get install flip
17:31.03drpdos2unix
17:31.07paulswm!qotd86
17:31.07dpkg< tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc
17:31.17rpm2debPerfDave: you think you're so funny or Perfeckt
17:31.17jethromouahahahahahhaha
17:31.20paulswmbrilliant
17:31.27jethroqotd86 rocks
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17:31.54PerfDaverpm2deb: Yes, yes I do.
17:32.00paulswmI keep a 2000 line history
17:32.10rpm2debyou are dellusional, buddy!
17:32.11FieldySnutsravenbird: troll rpm2deb
17:32.20ywfndoes anyone know if debian can run on a medion sim2000 (my main concern are drivers for the wi-fi) but I can't find anything on google
17:32.25FieldySnutsi guess, what should we expect out of somebody trying to work with rpms.
17:32.51antonhow do i do to use my cordless optical usb mouse?
17:32.53rpm2debravenbird, if asking questions which unnerves debianites is a troll then...
17:32.54ravenbirdrpm2deb: de quoi tu parles?
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17:33.13rpm2debje parle du rpm!
17:33.17jethro!fr
17:33.17dpkgLes personnes qui parlent francais et qui ont besoin d'une aide a propos de Debian peuvent venir sur #debian-fr - People speaking french and in need of support for debian, please join #debian-fr
17:33.24jethrorpm2deb: you are talking in french to a bot
17:33.31rpm2debok
17:33.36jethroI think you might want to know
17:33.37FieldySnutsjethro: lol
17:33.38rpm2debwell, english then!
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17:33.44greycatywfn: hardware support is a kernel issue.  if you can get a linux kernel to support it, you can run Debian with that linux kernel.
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17:33.47asgrpm2deb: if dpkg / apt doesn't provide the info you want, then you are sol. Solve the problem, submit a wishlist bug, etc.
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17:34.06CAiROhow can i search all mail folders in sylpheed claws at once? i've just accidently move a mail to a wrong folder and can't find it again
17:34.09Mr_ClayHeadgreets all
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17:35.56ywfngreycat: I can't find what kind of chip the wi-fi uses so I can't look into that...google wasn't much help I was hoping that someone in here has the computer
17:36.19KerrEncrypted media stream detected Media stream scrambled/encrypted   - in gxine when trying to play a dvd... help :/ ?
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17:36.36rpm2debasg: you are right
17:36.51PerfDaveKerr: You need to install libdvdcss, there should be a script to do it in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread/ IIRC (or maybe libdvdnav)
17:36.53rpm2debwishlist that is
17:36.55ricky_clarksonasg: That file doesn't work with fortune.
17:37.09caphusoasg: pretty rough, but a starting point: http://caphuso.dyndns.org/~caphuso/quotd
17:37.10Mr_ClayHeadwhere can I find if a particular wifi card is supported in Woody?
17:37.10asgricky_clarkson: you have to compile it
17:37.13usr010im going insane trying to figure out what i have to do to host a webpage on my broadband and other services
17:37.16ricky_clarksonasg: How?
17:37.36PerfDaveMr_ClayHead: Read the Installation Manual?
17:37.39usr010dns stuff?
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17:37.55PerfDaveusr010: Run a web server, for starters.
17:38.13usr010i think its running already
17:38.21asgricky_clarkson: strfile
17:38.39ricky_clarksonasg: No need to swear.
17:38.42ricky_clarkson!info strfile
17:38.44usr010if i http to 127.0.0.1 i get apaches "underconstruction"
17:38.54ricky_clarksonasg: Where's that?
17:39.10asgcaphuso: I already did one (http://gimp.shacknet.nu/code/debian/debian-irc.fortune) :)
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17:39.17asgcaphuso: but it's at least 2 weeks out of date
17:39.26usr010fortune
17:39.40asgricky_clarkson: in the fortune-mod
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17:40.02caphusoasg: how did you create it?
17:40.38asgcaphuso: I was bored at work so I just grabbed them from the bot (I couldn't find the database so I did it manually)
17:40.53caphusoasg: /msg dpkg your factoids
17:40.55asgcaphuso: if the bot's database still exists and is updated online, I can automate the build.
17:41.09caphusogrep 'qotd[1-9]' apt_dump | sed -e 's/.*,NULL,//' -e 's/^.//' -e 's/...$//' -e "s/\\\\\([\"']\)/\1/g" -e 's/<reply> *//' -e 's/^</%\n</' -e 's/ </\n</g' | sed -e 's/^%$//g' | par dhw79 | sed -e 's/^$/%/'
17:41.11asgcaphuso: yeah, they were down a few weeks back
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17:41.35caphusoif someone actually manages to understand par, it'd be even better
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17:42.06Kerreww... BitchX
17:42.06faber2can i move an existing bash session over to screen?
17:42.12caphusofaber2: nope
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17:42.36faber2caphuso: damn. i want to go home and i forgot to start my test in screen
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17:42.49ywfnhey does anyone have a recommendation for small light (<5 lbs) (and hopefully cheap) laptop to run linux on..I am using a TP560 and it does mostly what I want but I would like couple of USB ports
17:42.51PerfDavefaber2: disown?
17:42.59ricky_clarksonfaber2: Maybe you could nohup it.
17:43.14caphusoywfn: do you have at least one USB port?
17:43.15faber2perfdave: ricky: how?
17:43.38faber2it's an UPDATE in a psql session in a bash
17:43.40ywfncaphuso: No USB ports thats why I would like to  upgrade
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17:43.51usr010check newegg or tigerdirect
17:44.03PerfDavefaber2: I thought the command was called "disown", but I appear to be wrong. There is something where you can suspend an already-running task, then detach it from a tty.
17:44.09PerfDavericky_clarkson: Can you nohup an existing task?
17:44.24caphusoywfn: pcmcia usb cards are probably cheaper than a new laptop
17:44.26ricky_clarksonPerfDave: You can bg an existing task, I think, maybe that helps.
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17:44.52PerfDavericky_clarkson: No, if you bg it and log out, the login shell won't terminate until the backgrounded task does.
17:45.09PerfDaveBah, this is the sort of thing that greycat would know
17:45.16caphusoPerfDave: disown's correct
17:45.24ricky_clarkson!info disown
17:45.27faber2ricky: yeah, ctrl-z should background it. but it is in psql, so i dont know. and this is in a ssh session in putty on windows
17:45.31caphusoricky_clarkson: bash builtin
17:45.34ricky_clarksonAh.
17:45.40klarahello I'm creating users with the useradd command. I'm using the -g option to set the user in a first group and the -G option to set it in secondary groups but the user is just placed in the secondary group and not in the main group defined with -g
17:46.23ricky_clarksoncaphuso: The docs for that (Cygwin) are tricky to read.
17:46.32PerfDavecaphuso: That'll be why it doesn't have a manpage of its own and isn't locatable on p.d.o ;)
17:46.45caphusoricky_clarkson: try "help disown"
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17:47.40ricky_clarksoncaphuso: That's the same.
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17:47.54FieldySnutsklara: try superadduser (install it), much more straightforward
17:47.56PerfDaveSo it should be as simple as Ctrl-Z, bg, disown, logout
17:47.59caphusoricky_clarkson: go use a real OS ;-)
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17:48.13ricky_clarksoncaphuso: I'll reboot soonish.
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17:49.29tklauserHi
17:49.33[Tiny]hi
17:50.02samuelis there any way to find out what package contains "file" if i DONT have the package installed?
17:50.18caphusosamuel: /msg dpkg search
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17:51.07samuelcaphuso, thanks
17:51.35FieldySnutsfucking badgers
17:51.51travisat!badger FieldySnuts
17:51.52dpkgENOUGH
17:52.00travisatoops
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17:52.52faber2samuel: packages.debian.org, or apt-file
17:52.55FieldySnutsheh owned
17:52.58zarchnehm, "cpio --create --reset-access-time --block-size=20  --file=user@host:/dev/tape --format=crc  --rsh-command=/usr/bin/rsh" give segfault in new version (2.4.2-39woody1)
17:53.43tklauserI use a custom /etc/motd on my Sarge system to display some announcements etc to users. But everytime I reboot I get a version string in the first line of /etc/motd. How can I disable that?
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17:54.48dudchmod motd to 444?
17:55.13whaq__yes http://bash.org/?455450
17:55.23Rawplayer??
17:55.43travisathttp://bash.org/?455450
17:55.52RawplayerLOLLLLLLLL
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17:56.05dudtravisat, haha
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17:56.52Sebwhat package do I have to reconfigure to get asked the question "is the HW clock set to GMT ?" ?
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17:57.03Rawplayerdate?
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17:57.51SebRawplayer: dude there isn't such a package
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17:58.18SebRawplayer: when guessing please prepend "Wild guess: " to your statement
17:58.34dracseb: are you looking possibly "tzconfig"
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17:58.46Sebdrac: ah lemme see about this one
17:58.46caphusoSeb: edit /etc/default/rcS
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17:59.24Sebcaphuso: ah, cool
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17:59.30caphusoeasier than go through base-config again
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17:59.51Sebcaphuso: you da man
18:00.38tklauserdud: Not what I really want. Isn't there a possibility to set that in a config file or so?
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18:01.19dudtklauser, not sure... ask around
18:01.20cahoottklauser: could it be /etc/default/rcS for your need too?
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18:02.11tklausercahoot: Cool, there's EDITMOTD
18:02.21greycattklauser: there's a boot script (/etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh) which changes the contents of motd.  Edit that.
18:02.44greycatah... or that :)
18:02.51tklauserI set it to "no", so I think the message will go away then.
18:02.56klaraFieldySnuts: But why does the useradd programm not work ?
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18:02.59tklauserThanks folks!
18:03.03greycattklauser: bootmisc.sh is quite clear.  just read it.
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18:03.46ionrockhow do you get something to start when the system boots up? I specifically want to run ntp-server and ntpdate when my computer starts
18:03.56greycationrock: apt-get install ntp-server ntpdate
18:04.06tklausergreycat: EDITMOTD is ther too. So I set it also to "no", just to be sure. ;)
18:04.27greycattklauser: I meant, bootmisc.sh tells you precisely what EDITMOTD does, since it's the script that uses it :)
18:04.38ionrockgreycat: I already have the packages, I just want to start them when I boot up
18:04.46tklausergreycat: Ah, I see. Yes, it does edit /etc/motd
18:04.48greycationrock: then you're done.
18:04.58travisationrock: they set themselves to boot
18:05.00ionrockinstead of having to do /etc/init.d/ntp-server start
18:05.11ionrockhmm
18:05.14zlost1ive tried doint append="xmodule=radeon" and tried re running xf86config, but i cant get the framebuffer to change, x is still in 1024x768@76 hx, and it doesnt seem to change anything. chromium still runs like crap
18:05.30ionrockis anything in /etc/init.d/ started at boot time?
18:05.40paulswmionrock: if it's in /etc/init.d, make sure it's linked to an S script in runlevel 2
18:05.46greycationrock: no.  read /etc/init.d/README and man update-rc.d
18:05.54ionrockk, thanks
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18:06.04ionrockthat will get me started, I appreciate the help
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18:07.28greycatGACK.  It's getting worse.  I got 9 stupid "user ___ is on vacation/does not exist/is sick of being spammed" replies to my latest submission to the secureshell list.
18:07.41*** part/#debian mutantspider (~heh@h121.10.40.162.ip.alltel.net)
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18:07.57greycat(in at least 3 different languages)
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18:09.36Sebgreycat: well at least you get to practicve foreign languages a bit ;)
18:09.39FieldySnutsi got kicked off a list for asking a moderator to take them off, his reasoning was that getting such replies is expected on lists. idiot.
18:09.55FieldySnutsmore like moderator lazyness is expected
18:10.32*** part/#debian tklauser (~noone@80-218-108-169.dclient.hispeed.ch)
18:10.32greycatit's particularly disgusting on moderated lists like secureshell.
18:10.53FieldySnutson another list, samba I think, 290 posts were made by one person in a flood, before a moderator got to it. of course, my measly 2 posts ever always got turned down.
18:12.16*** join/#debian HmJ (hemry@hemry.dtiltas.lt)
18:12.17greycatthe moderators always refuse to take action on my short answers.  So I always have to 'g'-reply to make sure the original querent sees the reply.
18:12.22*** part/#debian ralobao (~kurumin@201009096224.user.veloxzone.com.br)
18:12.34greycatI think they just count lines, and if there's more than 3 lines, they accept it.
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18:13.26FieldySnutsi think it was the same samba list that had major problems with spam on the list for months maybe more. compilaining about it was grounds for instant removal off the list.
18:13.28FieldySnutsjerks.
18:14.11dondelelcaroFieldySnuts: complaining about spam on lists gets old though... so it's not that surprising
18:14.14greycatspam's hard to deal with.  But sane mailing list managers should automatically handle the case where a subscribed addresses bounces, using VERPs.  Sheesh.
18:14.38weaselI think debian should adopt the same policy
18:14.39FieldySnutsif whoever's running it had a clue you wouldn't get the spam in the first place. a few sure, but in this case well over 60% of the postings were spam
18:14.54FieldySnutsbut at the same time, not my list, volunteers, i'll jump off if I'm annoyed enough
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18:15.04weaselpeople complaining about spam are even more annoying than spam itself, which is easily filtered out locally if it makes it thourgh on the server side
18:15.19FieldySnutsend users of the list shouldn't even have to do that.
18:15.19dondelelcaroweasel: or at least ignored manually...
18:15.20FieldySnutsanyway bbl
18:15.37dondelelcaroFieldySnuts: well, ideally you'll block a lot of it (which Debian does, FE) but there's always going to be some that gets through
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18:16.00FieldySnutssee my statement above about 60%) be back later
18:16.32zlost1does xmodule=radeon go in append= ?
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18:18.27BleSShi! i would replace kudzu to discover, but i've some dudes. kudzu can detect the video card (lspci too) and its MODULE for xorg, discover can know what module to the video card??
18:18.28ricky_clarksonThat's a lame quit message, 1264.
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18:19.19greycatBleSS: you're not even running Debian.
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18:19.56BleSSgreen_earz, no, but it is for a live-cd
18:20.04greycatand you can't type.
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18:20.28BleSSgreycat, no, but it is for a live-cd
18:20.32paulswmheh
18:20.40greycatand you don't take hints ;-)
18:20.48azrealis it possible to split a large avi or mpeg say 1.2 gigs into pieces to fit on multiple cd's with the idea in mind of putting them back together at some point?
18:20.56greycatazreal: man split; man cat
18:21.18weaselFieldySnuts, dondelelcaro:  only about 3.5% of mail sent to the list make it to the subscribers.  the rest is spam and filtered by the listmasters.
18:21.21azrealgreycat: i know about split, but wont it screw up the video stream?
18:21.35weasel(just in case you want to be bored with numbers)
18:21.58greycatazreal: yes, it will.
18:22.18azrealgreycat: i used to split large archives alot, but i seem to remember it messing up videos files
18:22.20greycatazreal: you DID NOT SAY YOU WANTED EACH INDIVIDUAL PIECE TO BE A VALID MPEG FILE DURING THE DATA TRANSFER.
18:22.52greycatyou only said you wanted to split it apart and then put it back together.
18:22.54azrealgreycat: that would have been included in the part about putting it back together later
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18:23.05greycatIT WILL BE FINE WHEN YOU CAT IT BACK TOGETHER.
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18:23.09paulswmazreal: then split is fine
18:23.21azrealgreycat: ok, dont have a cow
18:23.22greycatresiak: what caps?
18:23.29azrealthanx
18:23.42resiakgreycat: There was never any caps. greycat was always in lowercase.
18:23.53greycatwe have always been at war with Eurasia
18:24.16tarzeauwho were my mirrors of the gnustep live cd in here?
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18:25.18tarzeaubob2, greycat, helix i made a new version - la la laa
18:25.19Glitterswhere to download the debian?
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18:25.37greycatGlitters: /msg dpkg d-i
18:25.39helixtarzeau: a new version of..?
18:25.44greycattarzeau: I didn't mirror the GNUstep stuff
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18:25.52tarzeauhelix: GNUSTEP LIVE CD :)
18:25.54helixoh, neither did I
18:25.55tarzeaugreycat: i know
18:26.01greycatI don't even use GNUstep
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18:26.48abrotman!badger badger
18:26.49dpkgENOUGH
18:26.52abrotman:(
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18:27.03resiak!lose abrotman
18:27.04dpkgabrotman: You Lose.
18:27.06greycatwe don't need no steenking badgers!
18:27.08abrotmanyeah .. i know ...
18:27.10paulswm!beat abrotman
18:27.15abrotmanyay
18:27.18abrotmani deserve it
18:27.19Di42lo``how can i see *.deb files source ?
18:27.24greycatDi42lo``: /msg dpkg source
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18:27.36Di42lo``thx
18:27.55sussudio!texugo badger
18:27.56dpkgbadger: texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo cogumelo cogumelo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo texugo serpeeente oooh serpeenteeeee!
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18:28.26Thumannyo... anyone played around with SVGATextMode and /etc/TextConfig
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18:28.45Glittersis it only 107MB ??
18:28.45dcellI am compiling from source (got the source using apt-get source <package>), using dpkg-buildpackage.  Where are the options for compile set, are they <package_dir>/debian/configure.options ?  I know this seems to be the obvious place, I just don't want to take this for granted.
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18:28.52greycatGlitters: it's a net install image.
18:28.55Di42lo``greycat <dpkg> wish i knew
18:28.56Di42lo``:|
18:29.03abrotmangreycat: or did he mean .. where he got the package from?
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18:29.06greycatDi42lo``: /msg dpkg source
18:29.08sussudio!source
18:29.08dpkgUse 'apt-setup' to add a deb-src line to your sources.list.  Then 'apt-get build-dep foo' to fetch the build deps, then finally 'apt-get [-b] source foo' to retrieve the .orig.tar.gz, the .diff.gz and the .dsc.  The source is unpacked in `pwd` and the diff.gz is applied.  -b compiles it for you; if you want to compile it yourself, use "dpkg-buildpackage -uc -us" from within the unpacked dir.  Don't forget to install debhelper!
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18:29.17Glitterslike the live CD of gentoo?
18:29.19greycatabrotman: god only knows.
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18:29.26greycatGlitters: no.  not like gentoo.
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18:30.05Di42lo``greycat oh no...you didnt understand my question..
18:30.08Glittershow long does it take to install the debian in my laptop?
18:30.24Di42lo``greycat i have a *.deb patch here and i need to know what he does
18:30.34paulswmGlitters: you dowload the netinstall image, burn it, boot off the CD and the installer will guide you through the process.
18:30.46paulswmGlitters: depends on your laptop
18:30.47resiakGlitters: Do you have a fast internet connection?
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18:31.04Glittersi need to know how much time does it take!
18:31.11Glittersbecause gentoo almost takes forever
18:31.17resiakIt's not Gentoo!
18:31.18Glittersand i got no plenty time for installation
18:31.22paulswmGlitters: what's the CPU speed and memory on your laptop
18:31.23Glittersi KNOW
18:31.24resiakGlitters: How fast is your internet connection?
18:31.32greycatDi42lo``: make sense or else.
18:31.38Glittersthe inetrnet is fast enough...
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18:31.43Di42lo``greycat huh?
18:31.51resiakGlitters: Because it downloads what you need from the net as you install
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18:31.57BleSSdiscover can detect the xorg module for your video card?
18:31.57ricky_clarksonGlitters: You could have been 40% through installing it now, if you had installed it instead of joining #debian
18:31.59Glittersmy laptop is DELL Latitude505
18:32.04azrealDi42lo``: are you trying to list the contents of the .deb?
18:32.06resiakGlitters: How long would downloading, say, 1.2GB take?
18:32.06paulswmGlitters: what's the CPU speed and memory on your laptop, and what is your internet download speed
18:32.14Snadderanyone know a good howto/faw about how to get a wireless networking card working in debian?
18:32.19Snadderfaq*
18:32.24resiakBleSS: Debian doesn't use Xorg.
18:32.35Glitterswow...
18:32.38resiakSnadder: What card?
18:32.40Glitterswell it takes time..
18:32.46BleSSresiak, o xfree
18:32.50Glittersinternet speed about 75/kb
18:32.56Glittersper second ofcourse
18:33.02asgSnadder: apt-get install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man iwconfig
18:33.05Di42lo``azreal no...i have deb patch file...and i need to know what he does
18:33.06paulswmGlitters: then it's going to take you several hours
18:33.18greycat*PLONK*
18:33.23Glittersi can wait...
18:33.30dcelldpkg, does it matter if I apt-get source package_name first and then apt-get build-dep package_name?
18:33.31Daffy-PKFre
18:33.32dpkgdcell: You are moron #4
18:33.35Glittersbut i cant stay long infront of the computer..
18:33.40azrealDi42lo``: hmm, no idea, look at the patch with less or zless, and read what files its trying to change...
18:33.47resiakGlitters: You don't need to supervise it.
18:34.00Di42lo``azreal but its binary file :|
18:34.04paulswmGlitters: once you have done the initial setup, you can leave it to do the package downloads
18:34.11dcelldoes it matter if I apt-get source package_name first and then apt-get build-dep package_name?
18:34.11resiakDi42lo``: zless foo.deb
18:34.18resiakdcell: No.
18:34.29resiakdcell: You have to apt-get build-dep foo before you build it, though.
18:34.33azrealDi42lo``: type "file nameofthepatchfile" and tell me what it says.
18:34.47greycatazreal: wanna bet he refuses to do that?
18:34.55dcellresiak, thanks
18:35.01Di42lo``azreal: squirrelmail_1.2.6-2_all.deb: Debian binary package (format 2.0), uses gzip compression created: Wed Dec 31 16:00:00 1969
18:35.12resiakDi42lo``: Now use zless nameoffile
18:35.12Di42lo``ah
18:35.24azrealDi42lo``: thats not a patch, its a .deb file
18:35.31resiakDi42lo``: That's not a patch. That's just a version of squirrelmail.
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18:35.43Glitterspaulswm: and is it a good oss to set on laptops?
18:35.46asgresiak: the one for woody that updates the recent vulnerabilities
18:35.47Di42lo``its a patch of squirrelmail.
18:36.07azrealDi42lo``: patches are usually text or gzipped text
18:36.41Di42lo``so how can i see what this binary do ?
18:36.41resiakGlitters: Sarge is fantastic on my laptop, FWIW.
18:36.44Snadderresiak, a topcom 11mbit pcmcia wirless card
18:36.45azrealDi42lo``: no... it could be a patched version of it though, that someone else built.
18:36.49wekkelI now run Debian Sarge weekly build (Bittorrent) on a P166mmx :X
18:36.49asgDi42lo``: where did you get it?
18:36.50resiakSnadder: FGI
18:36.57paulswmGlitters: I have sarge running on a tiny old laptop (166 MHZ Pentium MMX, 32MB memory, 2GB HD), if it'll run on that it'll run on anything made since 1997.  It is fine for your laptop.
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18:37.11greycatthere was a recent squirrelmail DSA.  Maybe he downloaded it manually instead of using apt.
18:37.17asggreycat: probably
18:37.23ricky_clarksonDi42lo``: OMG! It's a frickin' VIRUS!  USE apt-get instead!! lolol!!!1111
18:37.24wekkelit takes 5 minutes to start up, but, hee, its working ;)
18:37.26Snadderresiak, whats with FGI?
18:37.28asggreycat: or he's running sarge (or *shudder* sid) and got the wrong one
18:37.31resiakSnadder: Google it.
18:37.32ricky_clarksonJust trying to speak teh lingo.
18:37.41Snadderresiak, ok. thanks
18:37.45Glitterssarge = debian?
18:37.48resiakSnadder: See if it needs non-free drivers. If not, the instructions that you were given probably work. If so, read around.
18:37.52wekkelhe he
18:37.55resiakGlitters: Sarge is one version of Debian.
18:37.56ricky_clarksonSarge is the 'testing' version of Debian.
18:38.06resiakGlitters: It's the one you should use.
18:38.20paulswmGlitters: sarge is the version which you are downloading, and is the most suitable
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18:38.47dcellGlitters, there is woody (stable), sarge (testing), and sid (unstable)
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18:39.26asgcaphuso: that pipeline will do the trick (though it catches simonrvn's !qotd94, which may or may not be wanted). What did you mean when you mentioned 'par' ?
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18:39.53BleSSi know that discover can detect the video card (lspci too), but and the xfree module?
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18:40.31dav89dd
18:40.33caphusoasg: check the factoid with <overclocker>, you'll notice some stupid trailing ?
18:40.34dav89hello
18:41.03azreal!qotd77
18:41.03dpkgKlipper| i still cant find SHIT on booing from fleppy with sarge!
18:41.20caphusoasg: and i have no idea how to get par to not do that, because i don't understand at all what the documentation tries to tell me :-(
18:41.27kaiowahow could i rescue debian, if my diskkete is failed and i have no knoppix or other live distro???
18:41.27dav89hello, does everyone use ipv6 with debian??
18:41.44asgcaphuso: right, okay. I'll noodle around with it then.
18:41.49caphusoasg: good luck
18:41.55cryptdav89 donwload and configure tspc
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18:41.58travisatdav89: I don't
18:42.00Glitterspaulswm: damn but i hate beta versions!
18:42.02asgcaphuso: :) something to do during the dpt. meeting here in a bit.
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18:42.05dav89what is it?
18:42.14caphusoasg: hehe
18:42.18nostromo^what is the ".bash_profile" of a graphical (gdm) login?
18:42.26dav89crypt: what is tspc?
18:42.27crypttunnel ipv6 ipv4 to  freenet6
18:42.31resiakkaiowa: How is it broken?
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18:42.31paulswmGlitters: it isn't really.  I've been running the testing distro for years without problems.
18:42.33Pierre_hi all
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18:42.38dav89and what is it freenet6?
18:42.41dav89how does it work?
18:42.44greycat~/.gnomerc
18:42.44apt~/.gnomerc is the startup file for gdm, or <hippie> .gnomerc looks like it's pronounced "no mercy", or set the DEBUG_GNOME_SESSION variable to make ~/.gnomerc act sane
18:42.55dav89does it translate my ipv4 address on ipv6 address,doesn't it?
18:43.03nostromo^thanks
18:43.11kaiowawhen i tried to load with it, it said that disk failed....
18:43.11Glitterspaulswm and what kind of work you do on it?
18:43.19kaiowadiskete failed
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18:43.22cryptno it use ipv6 net + mac address
18:43.40Pierre_I am new to Linux and I realy like it just one problem I cannot get my user to use kppp only the root can
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18:43.57dav89crypt: does it translate my ipv4 address on ipv6 address,doesn't it?
18:43.58resiakPierre_: Hi again :)
18:44.09Pierre_how can I fix this problem
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18:44.30azrealPierre_: add yourself to group dip
18:44.32abrotmanPierre_: did you add your user to the dial group .. or whatever it's called?
18:44.35abrotmanyeah .. dip :)
18:44.51resiakBah, I thought it was dialout.
18:44.53resiak!lose me
18:44.54dpkgresiak: You Lose.
18:45.01paulswmGlitters: desktop, program and database development, file server, DHCP and DNS server, etc, 3 machines running sarge at the moment
18:45.04resiakkaiowa: The hard disk?
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18:45.42Pierre_will try it
18:45.43Glitterspaulswm: cool
18:45.53chugga_what do i need to do to run su'd X apps from a user started xterm
18:46.19greycatchugga_: /msg dpkg run stuff as root
18:46.19kaiowano floppy disk rescue
18:46.32ricky_clarkson!strfry
18:47.01kaiowabut ive installed xp and now i havent live distro and my floppy rescue disk is failed
18:47.18kaiowaive only the woody cd installation
18:47.23FieldySnutsravenbird: rube goldberg install?
18:47.24ravenbird"Hi!  I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card.  I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader."
18:48.13paulswmGlitters: :)
18:48.36drpis there a command to allow me to see lan printers
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18:48.43green_earzPierre_:  adduser username dip  > adduser username dialout
18:48.53greycatdrp: yes.  "Joe!  Show me that printer!"
18:49.03*** mode/#debian [+l 768] by debhelper
18:49.09greycatsubstitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator
18:49.53drplol
18:50.04travisatlol!
18:50.23travisat!lol
18:50.24dpkgfrom memory, lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List.
18:50.44Glittershehe
18:50.58GlittersROFL
18:51.06Glitters:>
18:51.29FieldySnutsoh good sussudios buddy rpm2deb left
18:51.29drp!rofl
18:51.29dpkgmethinks rofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian
18:51.33FieldySnutserr
18:51.40Glittershhhhhhh
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18:51.49ricky_clarkson!literal rofl
18:51.49dpkgrofl is Rolling Over Fat Lesbian
18:51.49Glittersi love lesbians
18:51.58Glittersmy ultimate sexual orientation :D
18:52.02FieldySnutsnext topic
18:52.02ricky_clarksonGlitters: You would, Gary.
18:52.02Pierre_I cannot find a file called dialout
18:52.26greycatPierre_: "pon"
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18:52.50GrayDragonhello. i'm thinking of buying debian on CD, but is there a risk of losing files from Win98 when I install debian?
18:53.02GrayDragonor is it totally safe?
18:53.09resiakGrayDragon: Buying from where?
18:53.09Glittersnot tottaly :P
18:53.12green_earzPierre_: its a group cat /etc/group
18:53.22drpyou can buy it from me :o
18:53.24Glittersi thought its one of the free softwares
18:53.25greycathe doesn't want to be in the dialout group.
18:53.28greycatthat's for minicom
18:53.31GrayDragonwell, i was going to find a vendor
18:53.37Pierre_"pon" i got
18:53.42greycatif he just wants to run "pon" or the drooling-cretin GUI version thereof, that's the "dip" group
18:53.59GrayDragonall i really need to know is if there is a risk of losing files
18:54.27GlittersGrayDragon you shouldnt be buying it, its free, dunno maybe you're buying the documents? additional programs?
18:54.33GrayDragonno
18:54.43GrayDragoni'm buying it on a CD becuase i can't d/l it
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18:54.49jharrisonwkabrotman: you there
18:54.59GlittersGrayDragon buy it from where!?
18:55.02abrotmansort of .. why?
18:55.12GrayDragonI don't know yet
18:55.16jharrisonwkabrotman: can I msg you?
18:55.18GrayDragoni just need to know if it's safe
18:55.22abrotmanjharrisonwk: yes
18:55.30Glittersyeah its safe
18:55.38Glittersi got both linux and windows on the same hd
18:55.43*** join/#debian erik (~erik@82.147.34.250)
18:55.45GrayDragonbecuase my parents have all of their finacial stuff on my computer
18:55.52*** join/#debian Ra1stlin (~ra1stlin@pygoscelis-papua.net)
18:55.56GrayDragonand they don't want it to get deleted
18:55.57PhatedBack it up?
18:56.02Glitterswell dont worry
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18:56.06FieldySnutsif you are unsure, make backups. i fyou can't make backups, and aren't sure, don't do it.
18:56.16GrayDragoni would back it up if i knew there wasn't a chance of losing win98
18:56.33Glittersand recommend your parents to start using linux :)
18:56.37GrayDragonya
18:56.39GrayDragonlol
18:56.40drpo_P
18:56.44erikI'm sitting on my newly installed debian (sid). And i want gfx interface. But i can't find x.org with apt-get. ist x.org there ?
18:56.45FieldySnutsbest bet is to get an additional hard drive, and play on that
18:56.48GrayDragoni told them to but they don't want to use something new...
18:56.51GrayDragon:P
18:56.52PhatedWTF? You should back up your data whether you know you'll lose it or not.
18:57.00FieldySnutsamen
18:57.02Glitterswell only they're worry about their financial situation :P
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18:57.11GrayDragonlol
18:57.15drpPhated, indeed
18:57.18PhatedAnd... what, you can't back that up?
18:57.18GrayDragonok. i'll look around a bit more
18:57.21GrayDragonthx tho
18:57.29RuffianSoldieranyone want to see my desktop screeny?
18:57.35GrayDragoni do
18:57.36Glittersme
18:57.38RuffianSoldierhttp://img205.exs.cx/img205/8260/screenshot0js.jpg
18:57.45drppck me pick me
18:57.51Pierre_had a look"dip:x:30:jouberp"
18:57.53FieldySnutsherh
18:58.15paulswmPhated: ! :D
18:58.17FieldySnutsowie, fof woman
18:58.18FieldySnutsoff
18:58.22PhatedHello, paulswm.
18:58.27PhatedFieldySnuts: :)
18:58.35Glittersoh you got a network
18:58.36Doati cant establish an internet connection with debian. i conffed it with pppoeconf but it doesnt work. plog gives: Feb  4 19:57:55 localhost pppd[8230]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP
18:58.38Glitters:D kewl
18:58.43RuffianSoldier:)
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18:58.59GrayDragonalso, do ALL linux programs run on debian or only debian specific ones?
18:59.09erikI'm sitting on my newly installed debian (sid). And i want gfx interface. But i can't find x.org with apt-get. ist x.org there ?? :|
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18:59.18resiakerik: No, it's not.
18:59.22greycatGrayDragon: all
18:59.26resiakerik: x-window-system-core is what you want.
18:59.30GrayDragonok
18:59.31resiakerik: And why are you on Sid?
18:59.32GrayDragonthx
18:59.40erikthis is desktop pc
18:59.46FlimzyGrayDragon: All Linux programs run on all Linux distributions.
18:59.55GlittersRuffianSoldier good i see you disabled the file and printer sharing ;)
19:00.01GrayDragonok
19:00.01resiakerik: Yeah, so?
19:00.05erikresiak: should i be on sarge ?
19:00.08FlimzyGrayDragon: With a very few rare exceptions (thanks to idiot programmers who can't write portable code)
19:00.20resiakerik: Sid is for developers and people who can deal with breaking things and are experienced with Debian.
19:00.37GrayDragonerik said he didn't have a gfx interface... debian doesn't have one by defualt?
19:00.42FieldySnutsredhat is fubar that's why.
19:00.44BleSSi know that discover can detect the video card (lspci too), but and the xfree module?
19:00.47resiakGrayDragon: If you don't install one, then you won't have one.
19:00.52resiakGrayDragon: If you do, you will.
19:00.53GlittersRuffianSoldier how many computers involving your network?
19:01.00FlimzyFieldySnuts: I was kidding.
19:01.03GrayDragonbut does it come with one to install?
19:01.04FieldySnutshehe ok
19:01.04resiakGrayDragon: You get the choice during the installation, as you would expect.
19:01.13FlimzyFieldySnuts: A (perhaps poor) attempt at self-depreciating humor (note the previous statement I made)
19:01.15GrayDragonok
19:01.18GrayDragongood
19:01.22GrayDragonthx. i'm gonna go now
19:01.25GrayDragon:P
19:01.25GrayDragonbye
19:01.30FieldySnutsgood luck, USE BACKUPS
19:01.33*** part/#debian GrayDragon (~david@wbrg-dialup-216-74-205-159.iland.net)
19:01.40resiakFieldySnuts: We can only hope.
19:01.41PhatedFFS
19:01.48FieldySnutswhy do I get the sense that he'l fark it up, and come back here blaming us.
19:01.49paulswmFlimzy: yes, I resisted the temptation to take the bait about portable code :)
19:02.01PhatedWhy would you -only- back up if you -kmnew- you weren't going to lose the existing OS?
19:02.10resiak"OMFG U GUYS SUX, MY RENTS LOTS AL TH31R STFUF."
19:02.10drpnot sure
19:02.25abrotmanPhated: you are alive!
19:02.31PhatedI've been told.
19:02.45Flimzypaulswm: hehe
19:02.46FieldySnutsi like what my damn windows boss did here the other day; mounted a 1.7TB windows share on a linux machine, with 828GB used. my backup scripts ran, parsing that, filling the backup server drives, causing all further backups to fail
19:02.50FieldySnuts</rant>
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19:03.12FlimzyFieldySnuts: seems you have faulty backup scripts.
19:03.36FieldySnutsif he'd told me he'd done that, i would have excluded it.
19:03.41joebob2000the better question is who doesnt have a spare 800gb on their backup medium
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19:03.45Doati cant establish an internet connection with debian. i conffed it with pppoeconf but it doesnt work. plog gives: Feb  4 19:57:55 localhost pppd[8230]: Cannot determine ethernet address for proxy ARP
19:03.49joebob2000looozah
19:03.56FlimzyFieldySnuts: you could automatically exclude remote FSs
19:03.59FieldySnutsnot my decision, i don't hold the purse strings
19:04.39GlittersFieldySnuts from where did you got your vhost?
19:04.40abrotmanPhated: you don't like candy bars ?
19:04.41FieldySnutsFlimzy: no there are some, that i in fact do want backed up, point being he did shit without telling me (i'm responsible for the linux systems)
19:04.57FieldySnutsfurther point being I just wanted to bitch and whine, so with that done...
19:04.57Phatedabrotman: I'm watching my waist. Bad for you, don'tcha know.
19:05.01Pierre_c u all later
19:05.07FieldySnutsPhated: heh mean
19:05.13*** part/#debian Pierre_ (~jouberp@c17-rba-7.absamail.co.za)
19:05.16paulswmwow, FieldySnuts ranting, there's an unusual event
19:05.18paulswmheh
19:05.18abrotmanPhated: no that have those flavinoid thingies in chocolate .. good for heart or something
19:05.36FieldySnutsspeaking of failed backups, a remote one just failed brb
19:05.47PhatedFieldySnuts: <shrug> Note that it was meant with extreme irony. I'having mushroom and seafood soup.
19:05.53FieldySnutsphew no it didn't
19:06.03Phatedabrotman: Yeah, plus all that great sugar stuff. I'll pass.
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19:06.22abrotmanPhated: an apple?
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19:06.50paulswmabrotman: Mac?
19:06.55PhatedNo thanks.
19:07.15abrotmanPhated: money? .. i've got money!!
19:07.16*** join/#debian GrayDragon (~david@wbrg-dialup-216-74-205-159.iland.net)
19:07.39PhatedI'm quite capable of obtaining my own currency, thank you.
19:07.50PhatedIf you want, you can ship me a couple sticks of RAM.
19:07.55Glittersdoes anyone knows where can i get a reliable shell that gives their users the ability to bounce connection from the shell, plus to other stuff..?
19:08.09Glitters-FREE shells, i got no money :P
19:08.09BerlinHelp! I've got open Ports and don't know what they do. So I'm asking you for help ;)     53/tcp     open        domain       and       783/tcp    open        hp-alarm-mgr       are open. What do they do ?
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19:08.13FlimzyGlitters: 127.0.0.1?  :P
19:08.15GrayDragonok, i must sound like a complete idiot, but i'm new to linux. I've see debian sites mentioning "KDE". IS KDE one of the interface options?
19:08.24GrayDragon*seen
19:08.30abrotman!kde
19:08.30dpkgmethinks kde is a desktop enviroment based on the Qt toolkit. The latest stable release appears to be 3.3.2. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details. for woody check out http://www.apt-get.org/, or not a window manager
19:08.30greycatBerlin: /msg dpkg open ports
19:08.33FlimzyGlitters: What exactly do you need this shell for?
19:08.34PhatedGlitters: Good. Cheap. Fast. Choose two.
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19:08.58GlittersBerlin you better google it... google will tell you exactly what every port means
19:09.01greycatPhated: two?  more like one.
19:09.10*** part/#debian try_catch_this (trycatchth@216.110.108.76)
19:09.12GrayDragonok. i guess it is then.
19:09.15Phatedgreycat: Well... :)
19:09.20resiakGrayDragon: It's a desktop environment. Other DEs include XFce, GNUstep and GNOME, or you can use a stand-alone window manager like Fluxbox
19:09.21greycatGlitters: *wrong*.
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19:09.32PhatedPah, ports are arbitrary.
19:09.37greycatGlitters: he's reading fucking *nmap* output, so he has *no idea* what's actually running on each port.
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19:09.41GrayDragonso KDE is just an "addon"
19:09.46BerlinGlitters: Ok I gonna do but... I think here are experts ;)
19:09.50GrayDragonto the regualr debian interface
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19:10.00GrayDragon*regular
19:10.10FlimzyGrayDragon: There is no "regular Debian interface"
19:10.11drpdebian is an o/s
19:10.12FieldySnutsHEHE one of my systems just ran out of ram and swap.
19:10.17FieldySnutsoh well, die.
19:10.18PhatedThers is no "Debian interface". GrayDragon: Find a Linux book and read it, please.
19:10.19FlimzyGrayDragon: Just like there is no "regular" color for a car
19:10.24GrayDragoni mean whatever interface you install
19:10.25greycatGrayDragon: everything is optional except for the stuff that's in the 110 netinstall ISO of the MB sarge base system
19:10.32FieldySnutsyes, ladies and gents, welcome to the world of ghetto serving
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19:10.54FlimzyGrayDragon: KDE is one of the options for the interface.
19:10.55PhatedWelcome... To the world of the FieldySnuts. </reverb>
19:11.05GrayDragonok. thx. that's all i needed
19:11.11dbronHi all, mailman stopped delivering on my woody box after an update, it doesn't appear to be trying to deliver queued jobs, was there a security problem? I see qrunner commented out in cron.d/mailman, /usr/share/doc doesn't seem to have any information about it.
19:11.17*** part/#debian GrayDragon (~david@wbrg-dialup-216-74-205-159.iland.net)
19:11.31GlittersBerlin: there are none-limits of ports out there... how do you expect that we know them all
19:11.35FlimzyGrayDragon: To be more accurate, KDE is one of the Desktop Environments.  You can choose 0 or more Desktop Environments to install.
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19:12.07BerlinOk I've got on port 53/tcp open. Its for DNS but do I really need it. And how could I deactivate id ?
19:12.13FlimzyI guess he's gone
19:12.23FlimzyBerlin: Do you have bind running?
19:12.43GlittersFlimzy: well everyone needs a shell :P
19:12.55Glittersfor a reason or another...
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19:13.27BerlinFlimzy: pstree tells me there is no bind. just named.
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19:13.58azrealhmm, i just discovered you can search in mozilla with "/"
19:14.06resiak!win azreal
19:14.06dpkgCongratulations, azreal! You have won the US presidency!
19:14.08FlimzyGlitters: Nah.  My friend used to run X with no WM at all... just mplayer, at startup, in single-user mode, when he had an old PC incapable of playing high quality video streams with anything else running :)
19:14.15boownice to know
19:14.18FlimzyBerlin: named is bind
19:14.23GlittersBerlin: you can run netstat -n (with or without the -n , if you are on windows) this will tell you what connections are you using right now
19:14.26FlimzyBerlin: If you don't need to run a DNS server, then remove named.  Problem solvee
19:14.29Flimzys/solvee/solved/
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19:14.34azrealoh, its search as you type, ive allways used find in page
19:14.35esherhi
19:14.51esherhow can i disable some installed packages from apt that there never be updated again (ignore) when i do command apt-get upgrade ?
19:15.04resiakesher: Firstly, why?
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19:15.11resiakesher: Secondly, you need to look into pinning.
19:15.41esherive done some selfmade qmail install, and apt wanna try to upgrade exim and other tools, that i dont need anymore
19:15.46esherpinning ?
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19:16.02GlittersFlimzy: anyways, do you know where to find free reliable shells?
19:16.08valexQ: Is there an equivalent of our 'kernel-package' for other rpm based distos?
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19:16.14Glittersone of the reasons i need it is, vhost...
19:16.16FlimzyGlitters: "free reliable shells" is an oxymoron
19:16.23Glittersmaybe later i'll run a small apache on it
19:16.24FlimzyGlitters: But what exactly do you need it for?
19:16.41Flimzyvhost what?
19:16.42*** part/#debian ruina (~ruina@82.198.125.38)
19:16.55GlittersFlimzy dont really know what for exactly... i might need one later
19:17.00BerlinFlimzy: And how could I tell debian to disable starting bind on boot ?
19:17.07FlimzyGlitters: You want a free shell and you don't know why?
19:17.09Glittersvhost like bouncing my connection from the shell
19:17.10dav89uhmmm
19:17.12FlimzyBerlin: remove named
19:17.21FlimzyBerlin: dpkg --purge bind
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19:17.40resiakesher: Is Exim doing anything? If not, remove it. However, if you've not got qmail handing your internal mail properly, you _mustn't_ remove Exim.
19:17.55BerlinFlimzy: As I'm thinking of it you're right. But if I don't want this. How could I deactivate it ?
19:18.08esherqmail handle my local mail now
19:18.10GlittersFlimzy what do you care? do you know where to get free reliable shells or not?
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19:18.20FlimzyGlitters: nevermind then
19:18.32Glittersfine
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19:18.37FlimzyGlitters: I guess I didn't really want to help you anyway
19:18.49azrealfree reliable shells at 127.0.0.1
19:18.53esherand, if i will remove exim, apt will remove courier-imap also, but this i need
19:18.53Glittersalot didnt too
19:19.00coachzwell my coworker hosed the server good today.  He ran fschk with mounted drives and it threw the entire drive into lost and found and renamed all the files.  woo hoo
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19:19.15Flimzys/PIII/PIV/
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19:19.35coachzso what's the deal with fschk, are you supposed to unmount all drives first ?
19:19.36Flimzybut then no reason is good enough for someone who won't tell me what they're doing on their shell
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19:19.44resiakcoachz: Uh, yeah.
19:19.44paulswm!beat coachz's coworker
19:19.49resiakcoachz: And fsck.
19:19.52coachzhaha
19:19.56pderwill debian run on a computer system?
19:20.00Flimzycoachz: Maybe, maybe not.  It's hard to say since we don't know what you're doing.
19:20.02FieldySnutstime for an !irritate
19:20.04resiakpder: Are you smoking something very strong?
19:20.07FieldySnutsbut i'll leave it to somebody else
19:20.07caphusopder: no, only on an abacus
19:20.07Flimzypder: No.
19:20.11Phated!irritate pder
19:20.12dpkgpder: Y iz debain so old? who uses dvd lol
19:20.13BerlinI've got open ports on the address 0.0.0.0 but what is this adress???  tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3306            0.0.0.0:*               LISTEN      2688/
19:20.14GlittersFlimzy: you mean, you're an administrator for a shells server?
19:20.17FieldySnutshehe Phated
19:20.24azrealpder: no. it only runs on the atari 2600
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19:20.38PhatedGlitters: Almost anyone can give out a shell. Depends who they give it to.
19:20.38pder!irritate pder
19:20.40dpkgpder: is there ne1 who cn answer my n00b q? where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol ?????
19:20.44resiakHmm. qotd?
19:20.46FlimzyGlitters: I'm an administrator for my own server.  It has a shell installed.  I guess you could call it a "shell server"
19:20.49pder!irritate pder
19:20.49dpkgpder: wenas how can I make my mepis werkz U FUX0RZ
19:20.50coachzit was fun
19:20.58FieldySnutsfux0rz...
19:21.06pder!irritate pder
19:21.28dpkgpder: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!!
19:21.28FlimzyGlitters: But it doesn't matter now... you're ineligable already.
19:21.28GlittersFlimzy: oh then it differs...
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19:21.28Glittersoh hehe
19:21.28pder!irritate pder
19:21.28dpkgpder: HELP ME!!! how does I run teh quake3 !!!!
19:21.28Glitterswell sorry
19:21.28Glittersanyways
19:21.43paulswm!stupid bot tricks
19:21.44dpkgWatching someone play with the bots gets old pretty fast.  If you really *must* do it, don't do it here.  Use /msg.
19:21.51shakparlrm -rf `find / -name "*.pkg*"`
19:21.55shakparls/pkg/dpkg
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19:21.59resiak!no, qotd36 is < pder> will debian run on a computer system?
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19:22.15pder!irritate pder
19:22.15dpkgpder: hi every1 who uses cable !!!1
19:22.18resiak!test
19:22.20dpkgNo, resiak, you're not online any more.
19:22.20marcel_hello
19:22.29pder!irritate pder
19:22.31dpkgpder: hi every1 who uses gnome plz msg me, lilo
19:22.33resiakdpkg, no, qotd36 is < pder> will debian run on a computer system?
19:22.33dpkgresiak: okay
19:22.37greycatdpkg, qotdx =~ s/36 //
19:22.39dpkggreycat: OK
19:22.47shakparl!irritate shakparl
19:22.47dpkgshakparl: wenas who uses kde kk
19:22.47dondelelcaroshakparl: what exactly do you expect that to do? And that's probably cosmically bad, by the way.
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19:22.48usr010i now have 1 nvidia.run file/1 modules/and kernel common  i put them in the same dir witch do i run 1st?
19:22.51resiakgreycat: I'd beaten you to it :)
19:22.51mirakIs there a player that can handle the control files of a dvd
19:22.52marcel_i cant write on my reiserfs partition as a user, i checked my fstab and are member of the group disk, what can i do?
19:22.54mirak?
19:22.55resiakgreycat: Well.;
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19:23.01resiakgreycat: You won.
19:23.04shakparldondelelcaro it's a joke man ;)
19:23.06greycat!win greycat
19:23.07dpkgCongratulations, greycat! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad!
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19:23.24pder!irritate pder
19:23.25dpkgpder: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol kthx
19:23.26dondelelcarohrm... clearly very funny
19:23.29Phatedresiak: It should be <reply>, by the way.
19:23.38resiakPhated: Ok. Bah.
19:23.39witlessi have what i believe is potentially the most important debian bug of the week.
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19:23.47PhatedYour brain.
19:23.47Glittershehe
19:23.51greycatPhated: I dunno... I kind of *like* seeing which qotd it is when you choose qotd0
19:23.52marcel_anyone use reiserfs here?
19:23.53kirbymeisterthere is no such thing as cracked debian
19:23.55kirbymeisterI do
19:23.55Glitterswitless good for you mano
19:23.56FieldySnutsPhated: you've created a monster in pder !
19:23.59Phatedgreycat: Hmmm, yeah.
19:24.02SilentBobIs there an rc4 debian sarge DVD image?
19:24.06PhatedFieldySnuts: It was your idea.
19:24.10FieldySnutsyeah but you did it
19:24.13witlessto wit:  SMILEYS AIN'T SHOWIN UP IN THUNDERBIRD
19:24.17PhatedOnly because dpkg ignores you.
19:24.18boowi use it but in slackware as my root partition
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19:24.22FieldySnuts:)
19:24.31kirbymeister!irritate Bill Gates
19:24.32dpkgBill Gates: wenas who uses dvd !!!1
19:24.35greycatSilentBob: /msg dpkg d-i
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19:24.39FieldySnutswenas who has pics of Phated lol lol
19:24.40marcel_anyone use reiserfs here?
19:24.42kirbymeister!irritate Steve Ballmer
19:24.43FieldySnutskidding
19:24.43dpkgSteve Ballmer: HELP ME!!! where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol !!!!
19:24.44FieldySnutsmarcel: yes yes yes
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19:24.46greycatFieldySnuts: Phated does.
19:24.48marcel_i cant write on my reiserfs partition as a user, i checked my fstab and are member of the group disk, what can i do?
19:24.53kirbymeister!irritate Richard Stallman
19:24.54dpkgRichard Stallman: hi every1 how does I run teh mouse ?????
19:24.58greycatkirbymeister: do it in /msg please.
19:25.02kirbymeisterokay
19:25.02mirakI have a .ifo and .bup file in plus of the .vob, is there a way to use them ?
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19:25.10FieldySnutsgood god, even *I'M* getting sick of all the irritates
19:25.15boowtry be coming root
19:25.21SilentBobgreycat, http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc2/
19:25.24pderthose irritates are hilarious
19:25.24marcel_boow, ?
19:25.27SilentBobWhere is the iso9660 image?
19:25.32resiak!botabuse
19:25.32dpkglay off me you buggerererers!!11!
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19:25.46FieldySnutsravenbird: roger dpkg
19:25.48ravenbirdBend over, dpkg and take it like a man!
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19:25.54greycatSilentBob: what, you think we're hiding some SPECIAL SECRET URL that's not on the d-i page?
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19:26.09resiak!d-i SilentBob
19:26.10dpkgSilentBob, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's.
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19:26.12SilentBobgreycat, I got that from the d-i page
19:26.20SilentBobThat's where I went.
19:26.21greycatSilentBob: then USE it!
19:26.23marcel_the group 'disk' is that for users to mount disks?
19:26.23PhatedSilentBob: How about actually going there.
19:26.26boowusers cant write any where but /tmp /home /var/tmp
19:26.28SilentBobhttp://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc2/
19:26.29kirbymeistermarcel_: no
19:26.33SilentBobThat link, is on the d-i page
19:26.37SilentBobBut there is no dvd images there
19:26.38jrcI have to maintain a few packages (just have to change a few things in debian/rules) because of my environment and rebuild.  Is there an easy way to do this task when there's a new upstream version from debian, besides apt-get sourcing and going through and redoing my changes?
19:26.38greycatSilentBob: be Silent.
19:26.39witlesshow about:  i tryed the linux and it is a crap!
19:26.40SilentBobIt says "DVD"
19:26.42marcel_kirbymeister, what is the group for?
19:26.49kirbymeistermarcel_:the disk group can write to the disk's raw sectors (which is not good for normal users to have)
19:26.56marcel_kirbymeister, thanks
19:27.06kirbymeisterif they are in group disk they can format the drive
19:27.17greycatjrc: get the debian maintainer to incorporate your changes.
19:27.17marcel_kirbymeister, i see
19:27.18SilentBobhttp://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/dvd/rc2/i386/
19:27.26greycatjrc: (*snicker, chuckle*)
19:27.29resiakSilentBob: You use jigdo to get DVD images.
19:27.30Flimzyjrc: make a diff of the original and your version... then apply that diff to any new versiosn that come in.  If you're lucky, they'll patch cleanly.
19:27.32kirbymeisterwhich is why you dont add normal end-users into that group
19:27.32resiakSilentBob: Just get netinst. :)
19:27.34marcel_kirbymeister, what group should i be member of if i want users to mount disks?
19:27.47kirbymeisteradd the disks to your /etc/fstab with the option user
19:27.53marcel_kirbymeister, i did
19:27.54kirbymeisterthere is no mount group
19:27.54jrcresiak: is there one of the debian dev tools that's made for that?
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19:28.03resiakjrc: I'm sorry?
19:28.05marcel_/dev/hda1       /mnt/hda1       reiserfs        rw,user,auto    0       0
19:28.14jrcFlimzy: i meant
19:28.17greycatSilentBob: if you have a PROBLEM with the d-i web pages or the d-i software, try REPORTING IT TO THE PEOPLE WHO MAINTAIN IT.  That's not us.
19:28.17jrcsorry lol
19:28.22SilentBobo, jigdo is a program
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19:28.24kirbymeisterIs it possible to have a group that can mount and umount arbitrary disks?
19:28.25marcel_kirbymeister, i can mount the drive, but i cant write to it as a user
19:28.26SilentBobI thought that was a person
19:28.31greycatkirbymeister: no.  man fstab.
19:28.36resiakmarcel_: Then that's a permissions problem.
19:28.37greycatmarcel_: /msg dpkg vfatrw
19:28.42SilentBobthanks resiak
19:28.45kirbymeistermarcel_: remove the rw option
19:28.47resiakSilentBob: No problem.
19:28.48marcel_vfat?
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19:28.49Flimzyjrc: not that I'm aware of.  You could probably write a script to create and apply the patches for you automatically.
19:28.50lawnchair!stfu
19:28.50dpkgit has been said that stfu is Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg
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19:29.06Flimzyjrc: But it's almost guaranteed not to patch cleanly every now and then, and require manual intervention.
19:29.16GrayDragon!gnome
19:29.17dpkgfrom memory, gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, or not the same as gtk but the gnome developers don't know that, or see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or not a window manager
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19:29.28marcel_marcel@debian:~$ mount /mnt/hda1
19:29.28marcel_marcel@debian:~$ touch /mnt/hda1/test
19:29.28marcel_touch: cannot touch `/mnt/hda1/test': permission denied
19:29.31samueldeb http://http.us.debian.org/debian is the main repository?
19:29.38jrcFlimzy: it's just a few ./configure flags so i shouldn't have much problems.  i'll look into it though, thanks
19:29.41greycatmarcel_: /msg dpkg vfatrw
19:29.54resiakgreycat: He's using reiserfs
19:29.59PhatedEw.
19:30.01Flimzyjrc: ah, yeah, that should be easy then
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19:30.07greycatresiak: why the FUCK is he mounting a reiserfs partition on the fly?
19:30.08resiakmarcel_: Change the permissions on the directory!!!1111!
19:30.10GrayDragonok... here i go again with my dumb questions, but will all linux apps work with Gnome? I mean, do they have to use the Gnome GTK+ Engine?
19:30.11Phatedmarcel_: ls -l /mnt/hda1
19:30.14resiakgreycat: I have no FUCKING idea :
19:30.15resiakgreycat: :)
19:30.25greycatmarcel_: stop being stupid.  It makes me angry.
19:30.27resiakgreycat: On /dev/hda1, no less.
19:30.29terryis there something similar to packages.debian.org for the amd64(pure64) port??
19:30.38greycatterry: /msg dpkg amd64
19:30.39marcel_marcel@debian:~$ ls -l /mnt/hda1
19:30.39marcel_total 0
19:30.41resiak!tell terry -about amd65
19:30.43resiakBah.
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19:30.52greycatmarcel_: JESUS FUCKING *CHRIST*!
19:30.53marcel_marcel@debian:~$ ls -al /mnt/hda1
19:30.53marcel_totaal 0
19:30.53marcel_drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 80 2005-02-04 20:03 .
19:30.53marcel_drwxr-xr-x  4 root root 96 2005-02-04 19:49 ..
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19:30.59johnga1tanybody know how to do something like "scp with resume" or "incremental scp"?
19:30.59greycatMy god.
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19:31.04resiakGrayDragon: Yes, they will work with anything.
19:31.07GrayDragonok
19:31.27GrayDragonthank you
19:31.27resiakGrayDragon: No problem.
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19:31.27boowmarcel: use the gid uid umask options in your fstab if you want rw permisions
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19:31.27greycatmarcel: man chmod
19:31.39resiakgreycat: He didn't come back.
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19:31.54greycatdoesn't matter.  he wouldn't have read the man page anyway.
19:32.03Phated<sigh> What, what don't they get about "change the permissions".
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19:33.18resiakWell that shut everyone up.
19:33.23johnga1tanybody know how to do something like "scp with resume" or "incremental scp"?
19:33.39FieldySnutsuse rsync over ssh
19:33.45FieldySnutsincrimental, dunno
19:33.51Flimzyjohnga1t: Did you try "man scp"?
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19:33.54asuffieldrsync -P
19:34.14greycatrsync will do the incremental bit
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19:34.14asuffieldthat was kinda the original point of rsync
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19:34.23Flimzyyeah, rsync is good for that, too (a bit slower than straight scp, but necissarily so)
19:34.29asuffieldno, much faster than scp
19:34.35asuffieldscp is *very* slow
19:34.36otjewhy isn't there an official debian stable net install?
19:34.47shakparlnetinst testing rocks the house
19:34.49PhatedYes, there is...
19:34.54FlimzyIt's faster when no diff'ing is being done I suppose
19:34.56dondelelcarootje: because there are no official net install discs.
19:34.57shakparlanyone use korganizer
19:35.01johnga1ti don't mean incremental like "only upload if timestamp has changed" ... but instead, send one big file in chunks so i can resume later
19:35.07resiakshakparl: #kde, maybe?
19:35.12Flimzyjohnga1t: man rsync
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19:35.22shakparlresiak: sorry
19:35.26PhatedWoo FieldySnuts.
19:35.28resiakshakparl: or #debian-perl
19:35.30dondelelcarootje: it's not like it matters anyway, since the archive is what is official, not the installer.
19:35.30boowmount -t reiserfs /dev/hd* /mnt/hd* -o gid=groupid uid=userid umask=0
19:35.31FieldySnutsbeen a few days since it was synced up
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19:35.36shakparlthx
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19:35.44Flimzyjohnga1t: rsync will do a binary diff of the file, so if only a small bit changes in the middle of the file, it only has to update that small bit rather than re-downloading the entire file.
19:35.44johnga1tFlimzy: sweet. thanks. now then: know if there's a python library for this? or i should just use shell calls?
19:35.50FieldySnutsthank $DIETY for rsync -z
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19:35.57resiakboow: Uh, what?
19:36.03Flimzyjohnga1t: I don't use python, I don't know.
19:36.10PhatedFieldySnuts: NO DIETS!
19:36.21johnga1tFlimzy: np.
19:36.24asuffield...that explains the 'phat' part
19:36.34FieldySnutsoh, boo
19:36.36greycat!pal marcel_
19:36.39greycat14:36 DCC CHAT from marcel_ [192.168.1.100 port 32768]
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19:36.48FieldySnutshaha 192.168.1.100
19:36.49boowif he mount his reirser partition that way he can rw to as user
19:36.50samuelcan anyone please tell me where to find a repository list on the debian.org site?
19:37.00dondelelcaro!mirrors
19:37.01dpkgi heard mirrors is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt or available via apt-setup or at http://www.debian.org/misc/README.mirrors or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://people.debian.org/~md/mirrors-list.txt
19:37.01greycat!seen ANDRES
19:37.01FieldySnutsengrish?
19:37.02dpkgandres <~ANDRES@pcp09723961pcs.union01.nj.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 3h 6m 4s ago, saying: 'i dont think is too hard for u guys to tell me how to load the emu10k1.o'.
19:37.26samueldondelelcaro, thanks! ive been looking for that for the past 20 mins!
19:37.27greycathmm.  different hostmask.  they must both have the same home router.
19:37.35FieldySnutswait, the stupid router passed the connection source as his lan addy?
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19:37.46greycatFieldySnuts: no, the stupid *IRC client* did.
19:37.47FieldySnutsnice router. not
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19:37.56FieldySnutsi guess i don't get that
19:38.14rdanceris there a kernel module for the ip6tables REJECT target in 2.6? it says: ``ip6tables: No chain/target/match by that name''
19:38.21greycatinitiating a DCC makes you a TCP socket listener, and you advertise your local IP and port through the IRC network to the other end.
19:38.28dondelelcarosamuel: in this case, google, is your friend. googling for "debian mirror list" would have given it to you...
19:38.31greycatif you're inside a NAT, you *can't* initiate a DCC.
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19:38.38greycatyou can only be the other end.
19:38.56FieldySnutsno big loss, dcc is for lamers and warez kiddies anyway (runs away)
19:39.06Phatedasuffield: :P
19:39.11greycatI'm sure as fuck not going to DCC CHAT with that loser.
19:39.21greycateven if I could, which obviously I can't.
19:39.25xenoduckUnless you use ip_nat_irc/ip_conntrack_irc.
19:39.34resiakHahah.
19:39.39FieldySnutsit's the clients fault not the kernel
19:39.41resiakHe wants his voice back.
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19:39.45PhatedScrew him.
19:39.54resiakYeah, that's the plan :)
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19:39.55greycatI want my time back that he wasted, but I can't get that.
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19:40.19asuffieldhmm. now when I see idiots flailing about like that, I feel an urge to roll them up into a ball. damnit.
19:40.46greycat"newballs"... hmm.  no, not good enough.
19:40.50FieldySnutsGOAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!! sorry. done.
19:41.02greycatn00balls?  hmm, closer...
19:41.08FieldySnutsnoballs?
19:41.10FieldySnutser brb
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19:42.10tolleHello, what modules are needed for port forwarding?
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19:42.30dondelelcarohrm... free nascar tickets
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19:42.33resiak19:41 <marcel_> could you please ask them to give my voice back? i am not a terrorist
19:42.48asuffieldhe's a terrorist! he's a terrorist!
19:42.51FlimzyOnly terrorists can speak here
19:42.51resiakHeh.
19:42.54FieldySnutsbushsmite!
19:43.01_ZeroOne_hi
19:43.01greycatno.
19:43.04FieldySnutshehe
19:43.05greycatplease.  no bushsmites.
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19:43.18FernandoI'm downloading a debian cd whith jigdo and it tells me "The temporary directory `debian-30r4-i386-binary-2.iso.tmpdir' already exists. Its contents ARE GOING TO BE DELETED". This means that it will delete all of what I have downloaded before??
19:43.20azrealwould it be possible to fix this channel so that only people that go read the faq first can get a +q by obtaining a key from the website, and then useing it to +q themselves?
19:43.28FieldySnutsFernando: and?
19:43.34FieldySnutsew
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19:43.41azrealthat would eliminate alot of stress for greycat
19:43.54FlimzyFernando: I dunno.  An easy way to fix that, tho, is to move/rename/cp the directory in question
19:44.12resiakWTF.
19:44.15_ZeroOne_how many time requires the download of debian with jigdo?
19:44.19azreali mean -q themselves
19:44.26resiak<resiak> Just learn to read the screen. <marcel_> i was eating chips
19:44.41dondelelcaro_ZeroOne_: that's totally dependent on the size of your upstream pipe.
19:44.47azreali really need to go to sleep :P
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19:45.20_ZeroOne_i hava a internetconection of 1024kbps down and 265 up
19:45.21Flimzy_ZeroOne_: Exactly 17 minutes.
19:45.23samueldondelelcaro, do you know why ftp.us.debian.org does not have non-US packages? this might be a silly question, but im just wondering...
19:45.24Flimzy_ZeroOne_: and 4.2 seconds
19:45.35asuffieldhow many time? just the once
19:45.35dondelelcarosamuel: because it's in the us. Therefore it can't have non-us packages.
19:46.08Flimzysamuel: Same reason "sugar free" foods don't have any sugar.
19:46.11samueldondelelcaro, that doesnt really make any sense to me... but ok...
19:46.12dondelelcarosamuel: non-US means that the package can't be exported from the US, so it's already located elsewhere, and only gets importated.
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19:46.25dondelelcarohrm.... "importated"
19:46.31FieldySnutsnew word!
19:46.33samueldondelelcaro, oooh, i seee.... thanks
19:46.34shakparlcoinage
19:46.44PhatedSounds good.
19:46.48FernandoOK. But if  I do accept the prompt, will it continue the download or will it start again?
19:46.52dondelelcaroclearly my ability to spell is plummenting to new lows never before plumbed by mortal man
19:46.53AngelGabrieldondelelcaro, Why can't some packages be exported from the US?
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19:47.07resiakAngelGabriel: Encryption is apparently a weapon.
19:47.07dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: encryption, stupid braindead US laws... the list goes on
19:47.12greycatAngelGabriel: because the US government is on crack
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19:47.35FlimzyFernando: I hope you're not asking me... because I already told you "I don't know" and suggested a work-around.
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19:47.58guanexhello
19:47.58dondelelcaro!crypto in main
19:47.59dpkgwell, crypto in main is Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through.  <http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain>
19:48.06FernandoOK
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19:48.06AngelGabrielSo err.. what has the exportation of encryption code got to do with national security, if it's used all over the rest of the world?? greycat resiak and dondelelcaro
19:48.07dondelelcarothose of you who are confused woould do well to read the above.
19:48.13resiakAngelGabriel: Well yes.
19:48.20dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: dunno. Ask your congressperson
19:48.27resiakAngelGabriel: As has already been said, the US Govt is on crack.
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19:48.29AngelGabrielI'm from the UK!!
19:48.34resiakAngelGabriel: Yeah, so am I.
19:48.43_ZeroOne_it it normally if it loads abaout 20 hours
19:48.46robert_bhi may anyone help me with my proftp login problems? i have proftp installed, standard configuration, and when i want to login bpftp client says login incorrect...
19:48.52AngelGabrielUS government on crack... lol damn right they are
19:48.59resiak!crack AngelGabriel
19:49.09paulswm!lol
19:49.09dpkgit has been said that lol is Loser On Line, good work, you've just added your name to the ever-growing #debian LOL List.
19:49.14dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: so bug your MP then
19:49.15greycatrobert_b: log file.  shells(5).  etc.
19:49.18valdynAngelGabriel: cyptographic technology enables countries to be safe from being spyed on, when using it..
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19:50.00AngelGabrielI mean, who was in the meeting that decided that one- HEY guys, lets not allow and encryptin code to be exported from our great country - Why boss, why no code.... err... i duuno, lets say it can be used as a weapon!
19:50.12TheBlueWizardAngelGabriel: FBI, NSA, etc. keep telling Congress and President to keep the equation "encryption == weapon" on the book (they often use drug cartels, etc. as the "reason" why, never mind the fact that anyone outside USA can develop robust encryption on his own...)
19:50.12guanexhola fernando
19:50.28samueldondelelcaro, new words are "cool" man... in mexico we constantly use american words... "linkear" "fragear"... etc... just add the "ear" to it and its mexicanizized
19:50.30valdynAngelGabriel: well, that law is maybe old? encryption technology was extremely important in ww2
19:50.34kirbymeistermario
19:50.37greycatguanex: usually you say hi when they *join*, not leave.
19:50.41dondelelcarosamuel: scary
19:50.44robert_bgreycat: the users have /bin/false as shell, are in ftp group and only ftp group is allowed but noone can login
19:50.51greycatrobert_b: grep false /etc/shells
19:50.57dondelelcarosamuel: here, we just make it pronounceable and use the foreign word wholesale
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19:51.08AngelGabrielAnyway, why deny someone the right to encrypt his or her own personal data, no matter what it contains??
19:51.09distempr!#debian LOL List.
19:51.12distempr:(
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19:51.26samueldondelelcaro, lol
19:51.33greycatAngelGabriel: which part of "on crack" didn't you get?
19:51.38KerrOooh, a dragon.
19:51.48dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: they don't deny it, actually... there were just restrictions on how it could be exported. Anyway, read the stuff that dpkg said in scrollback. Answer your questions it will.
19:51.48greycatKerr: kill him and make armor out of his scales!
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19:52.01Kerrtoo lazy.... sell for upgrades
19:52.03paulswmAngelGabriel: you aren't a US citizen, you derive no rights from the US goverment unless you are resident in the US
19:52.07valdynAngelGabriel: not like encryption technology comes from usa
19:52.07AngelGabrielgreycat, LOL okay, point taken!! I think is stupid
19:52.11Kerrthough i do admin two irc rp servers O.o
19:52.20robert_bgreycat: the entry exists
19:52.32distemprMan, this cable sleeving better pay off.  I'll have the coolest debian boxen in the world :x
19:52.34greycatrobert_b: then the problem lies elsewhere.  log file for you.  then the FM.
19:52.49dav89do you know how to setup an ftp server???
19:52.54robert_bgreycat: FM?
19:53.02greycat!fm
19:53.03dpkgFreshmeat -- lost of projects here: http://freshmeat.net
19:53.05greycatbah.
19:53.16greycatdpkg, fm is also the Fucking Manual (which one must Read)
19:53.16dpkgokay, greycat
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19:53.22niktarisin a bash script should it be " if $LANG "or " if ${LANG}  " (without the quotes)
19:53.23Kerrdav89: aot-get install proftpd
19:53.25GrayDragonhas anyone here installed debian with a vendor CD?
19:53.27AngelGabrielI guess that's a whole debate that will never stop!!
19:53.31dav89i've installed proftp
19:53.31Kerrdav89: and you're good to go.
19:53.33greycatdpkg, fm =~ s/lost/lots/
19:53.33dpkgOK, greycat
19:53.40dav89but i don't like it
19:53.41greycat(*STUPID* people...)
19:53.42Kerrdav89: then it should already be there.
19:53.46paulswmniktaris: in that context, either
19:53.46valdynGrayDragon: now that is a truely funny question
19:53.54GrayDragonwhy is it funny?
19:53.59greycatGrayDragon: because it's stupid.
19:54.00eckoj #linux
19:54.01Phatedgreycat: Chill, chill...
19:54.04eckooops lol
19:54.07robert_bgreycat: i already tryed the config file from proftp homepage... didnt work too
19:54.14greycatrobert_b: /j #proftpd
19:54.17hedonickAngelGabriel: AFAIK at one time SUN even co-founded a company in Russia to develop some encryption software for Solaris... since it was no problem importing or using the stuff... :)
19:54.18valdynGrayDragon: does the property of a CD that it was once upon a time _sold_, say anuything about its content?
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19:54.19PhatedDidn't edit it to fit your own system either?
19:54.20deeedhey
19:54.24dav89from the NET it doesn't let me log-in as shell use.....but with ftp://localhost it lets me
19:54.26dav89why??
19:54.28GrayDragongreycat: how is it stupid? i can't d/l the iso files so i'm buying a vendor cd.
19:54.31AngelGabrielhedonick, REALLY?
19:54.34deeedanyone use mod_jk2 ?
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19:54.37greycatPhated: I'd bet money he did not read "man proftpd", nor the log file, yet.
19:54.38Kerrdav89: router problem.
19:54.49Phatedgreycat: No bet. I've lost enough moeny this year.
19:54.49niktarispaulswm, so it doesn't matter what I use? what would you use?
19:54.50paulswmniktaris: the curly braces need to be used if the context has more than one interpretation
19:54.55hedonickAngelGabriel: Yes (don't recall the exact details though)
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19:54.56dav89yes i've got a router
19:54.59robert_bgreycat thx
19:54.59greycatGrayDragon: it's stupid because it's like asking "did anyone here ever graduate from high school".  OF COURSE!
19:55.08eckogreycat: I didn't
19:55.09{xmb}anyone using userlink-source? its broken
19:55.10Phatedgreycat: I haven't. :)
19:55.11dav89and i've set it up to direct all the traffic on my computer
19:55.15eckoyes I did :)
19:55.16GrayDragonwell i need to talk to someone who has used a vendor cd
19:55.18AngelGabrielhedonick, Well, if a US company can do that, then isn't the law a waste of time??
19:55.21eckowho am I kidding i wish i weren't in college
19:55.21greycatecko: I didn't say "everyone".  I said "anyone".
19:55.31paulswmniktaris: my habit is not to use the braces unless I need to, I find it more readable
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19:55.33greycatGrayDragon: WHY?!??!?!?!!
19:55.35eckogreycat: I'm in college now, I just wish I quit earlier lol :)
19:55.36greycat!smite GrayDragon
19:55.41greycat!tell GrayDragon about bad polls
19:55.43KerrGrayDragon: buy some blank cds, go to a public library, download, burn.
19:55.44PhatedGrayDragon: IT's. ALL. THE. SAME.
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19:55.44dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: exactly... this is why it's been relaxed... but searching for logic in things that governments do is a total waste of time
19:55.51dav89how to add users in proftpd????
19:55.54niktaristhanks paulswm
19:55.57AngelGabrieldondelelcaro, Good point
19:55.58greycatdav89: man proftpd
19:56.01dondelelcaro!telld dav89 about ep
19:56.02GrayDragoni need to talk to someone becuase i need some help with it and I have some questions about them
19:56.03valdynGrayDragon: I burned it myself so _obviously_ i cant help you
19:56.07Phateddondelelcaro: This of course asssumes that they -do- anything.
19:56.09hedonickAngelGabriel: of course it is :)
19:56.13greycatGrayDragon: DIE!
19:56.16valdynGrayDragon: now that was sarcasm, fyi
19:56.18dondelelcaroPhated: governments that don't do anything are good governments...
19:56.21Kerrdav89: proftp uses *nix user logons and passwords.
19:56.27Phateddondelelcaro: Ahh, if only.
19:56.28Kerrdav89: you don't need to add users to it.
19:56.34dav89Kerr:  but it doesn't work....
19:56.37Kerrdav89: add them to your system.
19:56.43GrayDragonwhat the hell is wrong with you????? all i need is some damn help around here!!!!
19:56.46dondelelcaroPhated: the problem is that they do bad things, and often don't do anything good.
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19:56.56BerlinUnder pstree there is a courierlogger programm running... How could I deactivate this tool ?
19:56.57Phateddondelelcaro: I was using a rather archaic definition of do, my bad. Do, ie, be productive.
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19:57.04hedonickAngelGabriel: http://sunsite.uakom.sk/sunworldonline/swol-05-1997/swol-05-skip.html <- that was it... ELVIS+ (don't know if they use it any more though)
19:57.06dondelelcaroPhated: heh
19:57.07greycat!tell graydragon about ask
19:57.10paulswmniktaris: my pleasure, you can always look at some sscripts in /etc/init.d and elaewhere if you are searching for a standard way of writing scripts, they might give you some ideas
19:57.13KerrGrayDragon: the cds are the same. they will use the same iso.
19:57.25E-bolaHello all, if my server has 1gb ram and the kernl im using only see 884mb of them, what the easyest solution? Im just using the default sarge kernel
19:57.27PhatedWhy, why the FUCK does it make a difference where you get the CD from?
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19:57.41greycatPhated: because he wants a personal FUCKING BOY to rape in /msg.
19:57.52PhatedOh whew thank god. He can't reproduce.
19:57.53AngelGabrielCan a boot loader boot a disk image from the network?
19:57.58Kerrdav89: works for me. If you can only access from inside your lan, you need to configure your router.
19:58.03dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: depends on the boot loader
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19:58.16Kerrdav89: ie forwarding port 22 to your debian box.
19:58.18AngelGabrieldondelelcaro, Do you know of any?
19:58.35valdynI suppose it would need a nic driver for that..
19:58.36dondelelcaroAngelGabriel: someone mentioned that grub would... I personally have only used the netboot cards myself, though
19:58.42dav89kerr i already do that
19:58.59dav89with BIMAP rule, it send all the traffic to my ip address
19:59.01Kerrdav89: do you need to reboot your router for that kinda stuff?
19:59.04dupondjehi guys, i changed some hdd settings in lilo, and now the pc doesn't boot anymore, it gives 010101010101 erros :s without stopping :( is there any way to fix it ? like make lilo uses default settings or smth N
19:59.05dupondje?
19:59.16dav89no i don't it was already sit up
19:59.20valdynAngelGabriel: thats not really a big step to just using a netinstall CD
19:59.21AngelGabrielwhat i want to do - is network boot any of the  clients on my lan - and then have a menu, which allows me to choose which boot disk i use
19:59.25*** part/#debian tolle (~tolle@h81172194136.kund.kommunicera.umea.se)
19:59.26rdancerdupondje: /usr/share/doc/lilo
19:59.30Flimzydupondje: boot from a rescue disk, then re-run 'lilo'
19:59.33PhatedWhy would you amk changes to lilo.conf and did you run lilo?
19:59.37Kerrdupondje: try turning SMART mode off for the hd in your bios. It might not be a lilo problem.
19:59.40rdancerdupondje: it's all described in the manual *in detail*
19:59.52AngelGabrielvaldyn, But i want to do more than just install an OS
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20:00.06Kerrdav89: if the port was forwarded to your box, it would work?
20:00.08Growlygidday guys
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20:00.18Kerrdav89: can you ping your box from 'the net' ?
20:00.23PhatedThat's g'day, if you must use it.
20:00.42valdynAngelGabriel: sounds like you want a cd based distro
20:00.44GrayDragoni honestly don't know what i was kicked out becuase all i need is help and you people are calling me stupid
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20:00.53greycat!tell GrayDragon about ask
20:00.54paulswmgidday Growly
20:00.54greycat!tell GrayDragon about bad polls
20:00.56greycat!tell GrayDragon about polls
20:01.06GrowlyPhated are do you have a bad life at home?
20:01.10GrayDragoni know what polls mean!
20:01.17greycatGrayDragon: then stop DOING IT!
20:01.19Kerrdav89: with some routers you can not send to your externel (ie internet ip) from an internal (ie lanside) machine. You must send to the server's lan/local ip, ie my machine is 10.0.0.10 inside my lan.
20:01.21GrayDragonand i didn't ask the damn question over and over.
20:01.24PhatedBecause it was a stupid question. A DEBIAN INSTALL CD CONTAINS THE SAME DATA WHETHER YOU GET IT FROM A VENDOR OR NOT.
20:01.27GrowlyI think I'll spell things a bit wronger some more for you.
20:01.34GrayDragoni need help and you guys keep insulting the question
20:01.36PhatedYou're not really spelling it wrong.
20:01.47GrayDragonI don't care about the DATA!!!
20:01.48azreal!tell GrayDragon about ask
20:01.50GrayDragongood god!
20:01.56GrowlyNo, but should it be cause for correction then I am willing to stand corrected.
20:01.57valdynGrayDragon: why dont you just ask your question?
20:01.59PhatedWHEN YOU HAVE AN ERORS, IT FUCKING DEPENDS ON THE DATA!
20:02.01GrayDragonall i need is advice about the system and the risks!
20:02.12greycat!tell GrayDragon about security
20:02.17GrowlyWell, what I joined the channel for was to get help.
20:02.18PhatedOh, FFS, my typing's shot to hell.
20:02.23paulswmGrayDragon: ask your question, then we'll see if we can help, sorry if you're getting a hard time
20:02.27greycat!comfort Phated
20:02.28dpkgThere, there, Phated.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
20:02.44{xmb}GrayDragon, you arent alone, see /topic in #debian_
20:02.46KerrGrayDragon: if you buy a dvd movie from one store, then buy the same from another, they won't be any different. Neither will Debian images.
20:02.48Growly!comfort me
20:02.49dpkgThere, there, growly.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
20:03.01PhatedGrowly: I'm sorry. Grammar nazi plus tension doesn't do very well. What problem are you experiencing?
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20:03.14valdynKerr: debian dvd unfortunately are different
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20:03.19GrayDragonok... my question is... with a vendor CD do i still run the risk of losing files when it partitions my HD?
20:03.23valdynKerr: or CD, whatever
20:03.26GrowlyI too must apologise, I despise the saying myself so do what I can do belittle it.
20:03.27paulswm!Phated++
20:03.28AngelGabrielvaldyn, I want to be able to fire up some of my DOS based utilities, but not have to carry around the diskettes with me all the time
20:03.39greycatGrayDragon: being a vendor CD or a self-burned CD makes **NO DIFFERENCE**.
20:03.40Kerrvalyn: I was just making a comparison..
20:03.45GrowlyYes, does anyone have experience with SATA in Linux (Debian I presume)
20:03.46PhatedYou run the risk of it whenever you install an OS, WHETHER IT IS FROM A VENDOR OR NOT. It fucking has the SAME PROGRAMS ON IT.
20:03.47azrealGrayDragon: yes, backup anything you dont want erased first
20:03.47greycatGrayDragon: it works *EXACTLY* the same way.
20:03.51valdynAngelGabriel: so install a small OS on each box?
20:03.54AngelGabrielI want to be presented with a menu system, so that i can choose which floppy disk image is loaded off the network
20:04.04GrowlyBPBatch!!!
20:04.08dupondjei can't interact with lilo @ boot ? :s it directy gives errors :s
20:04.09valdynAngelGabriel: thats not any more complicated than installing a huge bootmanager w/ drivers for nics would be
20:04.14dupondjeso i can't type boot options :s
20:04.26Phateddupondje: Rescue disk.
20:04.34AngelGabrielBPBatch - that rings a bell ...
20:04.35GrayDragonthx azreal. that's all i needed. and to the rest of you assholes who wanted to be smartasses and not help me, then go to hell!
20:04.37dupondjedon't have that :d
20:04.45*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ
20:04.46GrayDragonbye now
20:04.47GrayDragon:D
20:04.48xenoduckQuick, someone kickban him and prove him right.
20:04.51*** mode/#debian [+q graydragon!*@*] by greycat
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20:04.57paulswmGrayDragon: there's always a risk, always back anything you don't want to lose, Just In Case
20:04.58*** part/#debian GrayDragon (~david@wbrg-dialup-216-74-205-159.iland.net)
20:05.15Phated, jeesus, what a moron.
20:05.15GrowlyAngelGabriel: I'm jumping in the middle here, but at work we set up Debian, DHCP, TFTP and a whole bunch of Images with BPBatch as a front end to choose which floppy images to load (and subsequently load an O/S from)
20:05.29asuffieldPhated: that has got to be the daftest use of a comma I've seen all day
20:05.38Phatedasuffield: There was supposed to be an Oh.
20:05.42dupondjePhated, if i put an image on a floppy
20:05.46dupondjeand boot from floppy
20:05.49dupondjeit boots then ?
20:06.08PhatedOne would certainly hope it did. Or you can use a woddy install as a rescue CD.
20:06.18asuffieldwoddy!
20:06.26PhatedYes, woddy.
20:06.29PhatedXD
20:06.38greycatyou need a woddy floopy
20:06.44paulswmHAHA
20:06.47*** join/#debian bn` (~bn@p54A9BFE2.dip.t-dialin.net)
20:06.53{xmb}anyone using userlink-source? its broken
20:06.59greycatand yes, I did have to backspace "woody" and re-type it wrong.
20:07.04PhatedHeh.
20:07.09AngelGabrielGrowly, Brilliant - that is EXACTLY what i'm looking for
20:07.12*** part/#debian lewinsky (~lewinsky@0x50c53de6.bynxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk)
20:07.19GrowlyI'll keep rambling: in dhcpd.conf (I think you have to use version 3 atleast) you can specify boot parameters for PXEs, such as tftp-server 192.168.2.123)
20:07.48AngelGabrielGrowly, only problem is .. BpBatch seems to have been taken over by Rembo Technology
20:07.54asuffieldI'd just use pxegrub for that
20:08.00{xmb}is there a proggy that uses tun to create new tun devices? userlink-space package, only i found about that, is broken
20:08.08AngelGabrielAnd they don't over it on thier servers
20:08.27helixproggy
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20:08.35GrowlyYeah we had that problem, there's not much support - Just keep looking around google, 'cause we eventually found a mirror - and then somewhere else we found a script that we could modify (with menus).
20:08.39GrowlyLet me look...
20:08.47dupondjeno other way than do it with a rescue cd/floppy ?
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20:09.05PhatedSince you can't boot, not really.
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20:09.19GrowlyMate: http://cui.unige.ch/info/pc/remote-boot/soft/
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20:10.00Growlyhttp://cui.unige.ch/info/pc/remote-boot/howto.html <- good stuff.
20:10.21pentaI have server with apache there lots of traffic from my server to outside on the port 7777, how can i see which script is responsible for the traffic?
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20:10.29greycatpenta: /msg dpkg open ports
20:10.41Phatedhelix: At work?
20:10.45helixof course
20:10.55PhatedShouldn't you be... working?
20:10.57helixcoughing up blood
20:10.58pentagreycat the port is blocked using shorewall allt he traffic is getting dropped but i wanna see which process is responsible
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20:11.02helixwell, maybe
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20:11.15PhatedBlood, eh. Save it and write on the walls with it.
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20:11.37GrowlyRight, so back to me.
20:11.42helixI can draw hearts with it
20:11.47greycat!open ports
20:11.48dpkgopen ports is probably netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or (also, see 'open files')
20:11.55dupondjenetinst CD image, with Debian base
20:11.57PhatedYes, or other more menacing things.
20:12.01dupondjecan i use this one to fix it ?
20:12.05TheArtistall my modules say they have unresolved symbols and none will load... anyone have an idea why?
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20:12.09GrowlyDoes anyone have experience with SATA and Debian?
20:12.12greycatHEY, WOW, LOOK AT THAT... it's like informative or sometihng!!   I wonder what this "netstat" thing is.  Maybe it has a manual??!?!
20:12.12dupondjeor doesn't it has lilo and stuff ?
20:12.24greycatI wonder how I could read a manual page in Unix.
20:12.30greycatHmm.
20:12.32greycatLet me think.
20:12.35valdynGrowly: what is the problem, which debian release?
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20:12.45PhatedUh oh... greycat's getting typoish... FIRE IN THE HOLE.
20:12.46caphusogreycat: info ;-)
20:12.48Growly3.0 r1 methinks, stable - kernel 2.6.10
20:12.49Ocean^any linux alternatives to Kazza ?
20:12.58greycat!bunk 2.6
20:12.58dpkg[bunk 2.6] You can't run Linux 2.6 in woody without some newer packages.  Get them at http://www.fs.tum.de/~bunk/packages/woody/kernel-26.html or just upgrade to sarge <woody->sarge>.
20:13.05greycatOcean^: /msg dpkg gift
20:13.41GrowlyI have a Promise S150 SX4-M RAID Controller, that won't boot at all in my Windows machine (silly motherboard), and gives me funky errors in linux:
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20:15.08dupondjePhated can i use Knoppix to fix it also ? :)
20:15.17Phateddupondje: Probably.
20:15.26dupondjek :) thx
20:15.52luis there a debian live cd, distro truly debian.  Not a Knoppix, ubunto distro
20:16.10jpablohi, anyone know where is mkfs in the initrd image of the debian installer ? i can't find it ...
20:16.12dupondjedon't think so :d
20:16.25GrowlyFeb  5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: ata1: command timeout
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20:16.31GrowlyFeb  5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: ata1: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }
20:16.32GrowlyFeb  5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: SCSI error : <0 0 0 0> return code = 0x8000002
20:16.32GrowlyFeb  5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: EOM ILI Current sda: sense = 70 7e
20:16.35GrowlyFeb  5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: ASC=30 ASCQ=c0
20:16.35GrowlyFeb  5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 120
20:16.35GrowlyFeb  5 08:57:38 WWServer02 kernel: Buffer I/O error on device sda, logical block 15
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20:16.58GrowlyGrrr.
20:17.14csmithquick question, where can I find a list of installed packages on a computer?
20:17.16tarzeaupeterS: there?
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20:17.22dondelelcaroGrowly: read /topic, and refrain from pasting.
20:17.31lucsmith dpkg -l
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20:17.43greycat!faq csmith
20:17.43dpkgcsmith: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq/
20:17.44TheArtistall my modules say they have unresolved symbols and none will load... anyone have an idea why?
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20:17.58dondelelcaroTheArtist: your modules are not compiled against the currently running kernel
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20:18.45TheArtistdondelelcaro, thanks...
20:18.46zirikiliI am using a notebook with touchpad. it works fine on X. but when I try to use a ps2 mouse and change XF86Config Device to /dev/psaux it doesn't work. any help?
20:18.59valdynGrowly: did you check if your controller specificually is supported?
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20:19.53dupondjePhated: can't u put lilo on a floppy, boot from that floppy, and then in the floppy say to boot /vmlinuz or smth ?
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20:20.10paulswmQuestion:  1.  Mounted a filesystem for an NFS share on box A.  2.  Mounted the NFS share on box B.  3.  Powered down box B (I was running a CD rescue and probably didn't get a clean umount).  4.  The next day, attempted to umount the filesystem on box A, mount tells me it's busy.  5.  My solution was to do a lazy umount and then later reboot the box.  Question:  There has to be a better way to clean up a mount like that, any advice?
20:20.35Phateddupondje: No idea.
20:20.57Phateddupondje: You can boot knoppix and chroot to your root and then rerun lilo, that'll probably fix your problem though.
20:20.58justinpaulswm: probably completely unrelated to anything B did
20:21.17greycatpaulswm: it's busy because the NFS server has it open.  if you want to unmount it on A, you have to unshare it first.
20:21.33paulswmjustin: yes, but fuser showed nothing, and it wasn't cwd for anything
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20:22.00greycatfuser can't detect the kernel-NFS stuff
20:22.02paulswmgreycat: Thank you.  Which manpage do I need?
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20:22.15greycatpaulswm: vi /etc/exports && exportfs -u -a && exportfs -a
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20:22.38paulswmgreycat: Thanks very much, appreciate it.
20:22.44Growlyvaldyn: No, I didn't know where to go - I googled endlessly but to no avail!
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20:23.23auraxhello
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20:23.51technodude90is there a personal database application that comes with Debian?
20:24.08paulswmtechnodude90: postgres, mysql
20:24.12technodude90I know that OpenOffice.org is coming out with its base application
20:24.50bernardI've downloaded a software with apt-get source and modified the source code (and it's working). This software has only one binary program. How can I can rebuild a pkg with a alternative name for the pkg and the binary program (and man page)?
20:24.56technodude90paulswm, aren't they for complex databases?
20:24.58swatikisshow can i automate a program to update, run on a specific interval? ?
20:25.02greycatswatikiss: less /etc/init.d/README
20:25.12greycatswatikiss: man crontab; man 5 crontab
20:25.22swatikissgreycat thanks
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20:25.39ThumannHey.. anyone down with SVGATextMode ?
20:25.46cafuegotechnodude90: OpenOffice doesn't have a ms access equivalent.
20:26.08Ocean^gr, gift is so anoying
20:26.14paulswmtechnodude90: they are SQL based relational database managers.  postgres has a GUI called pgaccess which makes life a little easier for the casual user.  How complex you make a database is up to you :)
20:26.15technodude90there bata version includes an Access equivalent
20:26.17auraxwould it be easy to make "hebrew-enabled" workstation based on debian
20:26.29cafuegotechnodude90: Basically, access is a spreadsheet with an sql interface, it's crap. myslq is relatively easy, you just need to pick your favourite frontend for it.
20:26.39asuffield*hebrew*? no. probably possible though
20:26.48technodude90however, OpenOffice.org base needs a lot of work before I would consider it usable
20:27.00cafuegotechnodude90: 1.1.3 seems to work fine
20:27.05auraxjust enabled with the right unicode
20:27.14auraxnot as hebrew interface and such
20:27.18FlimzyOpenOffice.org is very usable... if you have the right needs
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20:27.31_rene_cafuego: it has
20:27.41_rene_cafuego: OpenOffice.org base. in 1.9.x/2.0
20:27.42cafuegoYes, if full ms office compatibility is what you need, you can forget about it.
20:27.43technodude90yes OOo is usable, there Base application isn't
20:27.48_rene_cafuego: AND: even 1.1.x has GUI database stuff
20:27.50paulswmtechnodude90: although postgres is technically superior, and has pgaccess.  You could install both mysql and postgres, play around with them, and stick with the one which you prefer and 'aptitude purge' the other.
20:27.52_rene_cafuego: just a bit hidden
20:28.08cafuegoLuckily windows has an oo.o too.
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20:28.12_rene_Extras -> Data Sources.
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20:28.21_rene_Can use MySQL etc. via ODBC
20:28.22valdynGrowly: so this controller isnt really a raid controller uh?
20:28.23cafuego_rene_: That's just a db connector.
20:28.25ChristianPhi all
20:28.32_rene_cafuego: and? install mysql and be with it
20:28.44ChristianPdoes anyone know how to tell gnome i want to use alsa?
20:28.53cafuego_rene_: That's not intended (or in anyw ay useful) for entering data.
20:28.58_rene_cafuego: OOo Base in 2.0 also needs MySQL or so or a local dBase file
20:28.59technodude90Does MySQL have its own interface, or do you need to find your own?
20:29.10cafuego_rene_: And yes, I have used and do use it (mail merges etc)
20:29.26_rene_cafuego: no, why duplicate the functionality?
20:29.45_rene_cafuego: there is mysql, there is postgresql, there is even local dbase file support, there is....
20:29.53cafuego_rene_: OOo is an office suite. not a DB management tool.
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20:30.10paulswmunless you consider a spreadsheet a database
20:30.13valdynGrowly: cant give you a specific hint, but in the past.. those sata pseudo raid controllers occasionally need their firmware settings to be a certain way for them to work properly
20:30.41_rene_cafuego: because it's not even beta yet, but it has a OOo base newly
20:30.49_rene_cafuego: which looks like access
20:30.53cafuego_rene_: Is it in debian?
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20:31.12_rene_cafuego: not yet. we're working on it but 1.1.x is priority atm
20:31.17kirbymeisterDo think Microsoft will ever live it down if GNU/Hurd comes out before Longhorn?
20:31.25_rene_kirbymeister: lol
20:31.27cafuegoThen I won't be using or trying it as of yet
20:31.38cafuegokirbymeister: <heh>
20:31.39kirbymeisterhey they managed to get a program running on HURD-L4
20:31.40_rene_cafuego: there's debs, though
20:31.53cafuego_rene_: Yeah, there's debs for a lot of things...
20:31.56valdyn!sata raid
20:32.02_rene_cafuego: plain output of upstreams build system, though, so /opt and internal libs etc
20:32.03cafuego_rene_: That doesn';t mean I need to break my system.
20:32.07valdynwasnt there a factoid..
20:32.09valdyn!sata
20:32.09dpkgIdeally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x.  See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ .  For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options.   ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs.")
20:32.15_rene_cafuego: but it's usable
20:32.36_rene_cafuego: they wqon't break your system. they have no dependencies. They are parallel installable, etc
20:32.42_rene_.oO ( /opt )
20:32.53_rene_even the official debs of 2.0 beta or so will be parallel installable
20:32.54kirbymeisterWith Unix you shoot yourself in the foot. With DOS you keep running up against the one-bullet barrier. With MS-Windows the gun blows up in your hand. With MacOS it's easy to shoot yourself in the foot -- just point and shoot. With SVR4 the gun isn't compatible with your foot. With Linux generous programmers from around the world all join forces to help you shoot yourself in the foot for free. With HURD you'll be able to shoot yoursel
20:33.02tarzeaupeterS: ping
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20:34.23paulswmWell, there you are, cut off during the HURD description, that pretty much sums it up I think
20:35.11PhatedHeh.
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20:35.42cafuegoNostradamus ate my distro.
20:35.45PhatedNo, but a sarge release is.
20:36.01paulswmPhated: yeah, I already used that, though :)
20:36.07PhatedHeh.
20:36.11dambodoghi, does anyone know of a visual trace app? or online javaapplet?
20:37.14PhatedLine noise! Break out the filters!
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20:38.20Roccohi, does anyone know how to alow users from windows to wiev my share docs with Samba server..?
20:38.35sussudioRocco: i bet #samba does
20:38.55FlimzyRocco: That's covered in the Samba documentation of course.  Did you read that?
20:39.02Roccono
20:39.09cafuegoRocco: Install samba and swat, then login to http://localhost:901/
20:39.12Roccoi will now
20:39.43Roccook thanks!!
20:40.06cafuegoand barramundi
20:40.07paulswmcrap, I thought it was broken :)
20:40.14paulswm!win cafuego
20:40.15dpkgCongratulations, cafuego! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia!
20:40.20cafuegopaulswm: Just very small (the washing machine *is* broken tho)
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20:40.49paulswmcafuego: yeah, well I need a new microwave, washing machine and tumble dryer :)
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20:41.16PhatedYou -can- wash by hand, you know.
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20:41.18Skaagwhen i boot a kernel remotely, and pass the nfsroot=x.x.x.x:/exported_fs parameter to the kernel, can I also pass mount options somehow?
20:41.51cafuegopaulswm: We had a washer/dryer combo, but realistically, drying on the line outside is faster anyway and costs a lot less. (So we can get a nicer washing machine)
20:41.55Skaagcuz i've tried setting them in /etc/fstab but i guess it already mounts that filesystem before then, and won't remount it with the new options
20:42.15cafuegoPhated: You ever done that for a couple of weeks?
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20:42.35Phatedcafuego: No, but my mom did for about five years.
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20:42.44dpkgpder: HELP ME!!! who uses sound ???/
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20:42.51Skaagdrying clothes outside on the line is faster?? where to you live, the sahara desert?
20:42.55greycatpder: stop it.
20:42.55pder!irritate pder
20:42.56dpkgpder: wenas how can I make my libranet werkz lol
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20:42.59cafuegopaulswm: I'll NEVER get my wife to agree to that!
20:43.10jetscreamerhey how do you mount an extended partition, what's different from a regular partition in fstab
20:43.12greycatcafuego: but your wife isn't the slave.
20:43.12cafuegoSkaag: Australia
20:43.14PhatedWhat, you have slaves?
20:43.25greycatPhated: no, silly, his wife does.
20:43.25pdergreycat: its too amusing to stop
20:43.26jetscreameri'm sorry i phrased that wrong
20:43.31greycatpder: do it in /msg
20:43.31paulswmcafuego: yes, the operative word was "slave".  That probably means *you* :)
20:43.33Phatedgreycat: Ah.
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20:43.35Skaagcafuego: i guess that'd do it
20:43.41cafuegopaulswm: Oh hell yes <heh>
20:43.43jetscreameroh great gurus, how do you mount an extended partition, what's different from a regular partition in fstab or mount command
20:43.54greycatjetscreamer: nothing
20:44.15CarlosAlexHow do I know if squid is reading one acl ??
20:44.17peterSjetscreamer: no difference
20:44.26greycatCarlosAlex: try to violate it and see if it yells at you
20:44.35peterSjetscreamer: extended partitions are just numbered higher.  'fdisk -l /dev/whatever' for details
20:44.39cafuegojetscreamer: You can't mount an extended aprtitoon. You mount the logical partitions *in* the extended partition.
20:44.45greycatpeterS: (usually)
20:44.53peterSgreycat: well, yeah
20:44.58paulswm!win cafuego for being precise
20:44.59dpkgCongratulations, cafuego for being precise! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120!
20:45.07peterSpaulswm: yeah, yeah, I was getting to that
20:45.19cafuegoFuck, now I need another cd storage cupboard
20:45.31zinxmmm cd drive cup holders
20:45.32paulswmpeterS: :>
20:45.34jetscreamerok so the logical drive would be /dev/hdd3, if the extended partition was hdd2?
20:45.42Phatedzinx: They're selling those now.
20:45.49chealer!lsd cafuego
20:45.55CarlosAlexok...
20:45.55cafuegojetscreamer: fdisk -l /dev/hdd will show you (it won't listed the extended, only primary and logical)
20:45.56peterSjetscreamer: no.  the primary partitions are 1 through 4, the logical drives inside any extended partition will start at 5
20:46.01chealeroops
20:46.01chealer!beer cafuego
20:46.02CarlosAlexthen its not working, greycat
20:46.03paulswmIt's precise if I say it, pedantic or anal retentive if someone else does :)
20:46.03RoccoCan anyone tell me how to copy files on NTFS or FAT file systems...?
20:46.22peterSjetscreamer: so if you have an extended partition as hdd2, any logical partitions inside it will be hdd5, hdd6, hdd7, etc.
20:46.23cafuegodpkg: Guinness? At 7:48 am?
20:46.24dpkgi don't know, cafuego
20:46.37chealerhe couldn't deliver lsd...
20:46.38paulswmjetscreamer: or sfdisk -l will show them all
20:46.43cafuegoRocco: mount the partitions (google?)
20:46.44Daaaani!apt-get
20:46.44dpkgapt-get is, like, the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about apt-howto
20:47.05peterSdude
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20:47.09peterSapt-get isn't all that
20:47.11Daaaani!apt-how to
20:47.14jetscreamerok then thankee gurududes
20:47.16Daaaani!apt-howto
20:47.16dpkgwell, apt-howto is at http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals#apt-howto, or apt-get install apt-howto-en
20:47.25chealerDaaaani: /msg dpkg foo
20:47.38jetscreamer!read-ntfs
20:47.39dpkgadd a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,users,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want.
20:47.50Daaaanihow do i change source of my apt-get?
20:47.58peterSDaaaani: run apt-setup
20:48.00cafuegoDaaaani: apt-setup
20:48.57paulswmcafuego: frost free
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20:49.11jetscreamerahh because there can be 4 primaries i guess
20:49.21paulswm!win jetscreamer
20:49.21dpkgCongratulations, jetscreamer! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
20:49.29Rawplayercool
20:49.31peterSjetscreamer: right - 4 slots in the primary partition table.  they may or may not be in use, but Linux reserves the numbers for them
20:49.38jetscreameri used to like spam a long time ago
20:49.49paulswmbaked beans and spam
20:50.00pseubodotspam spam spam
20:50.06paulswmheh
20:50.10Daaaaniwhats the package name of  apt-setup?
20:50.14Phatedzinx: http://www.thinkgeek.com/pcmods/cables/6b35/
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20:50.23jetscreamerstrangely enough, apt-setup
20:50.24FlimzyDaaaani: apt
20:50.28aurax!win aurax
20:50.28dpkgCongratulations, aurax! You have won a lifetime supply of spam!
20:50.31aurax:P
20:50.31PhatedNo, base-config.
20:50.33auraxayy
20:50.38FlimzyDaaaani: n/m
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20:50.39cafuegopaulswm: They're apparently much louder, though.
20:50.42jetscreamer!info apt-setup
20:50.42*** part/#debian Doat (~Doat@dsl-jklgw1m03.dial.inet.fi)
20:50.54peterS!find bin/apt-setup woody
20:50.55cafuegopaulswm: Then again, a fridge that starts gurgling might be funny for the cats,
20:50.58abrotmani don't think apt-setup is its own package
20:51.09peterSI'm sure phated is right, but we'll see what dpkg thinks
20:51.16jetscreameri did
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20:51.19dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/apt-setup' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup) in base/base-config.
20:51.21jetscreamerno sech animal
20:51.22Flimzyapt-setup is in base-config
20:51.22Phated:)
20:51.36jetscreamer!moron jetscreamer
20:51.37dpkgjetscreamer: You are moron #71
20:51.39greycat!find bin/apt-setup sarge
20:51.49peterSgreycat: I doubt it has moved
20:51.58dpkgDebian Search of 'bin/apt-setup' (1 shown): (/usr/sbin/apt-setup) in base/base-config.
20:52.03paulswmcafuego: like any background noise, everyone gets used to it very quicky
20:52.09msfdpkg -S /usr/sbin/apt-setup
20:52.10dpkgThere is no record of a /usr/sbin/apt-setup package
20:52.23cafuegopaulswm: The one I have now is whisper quiet.
20:52.24peterSmsf: doesn't work for me, I purged base-config a long time ago
20:52.25Flimzyduh
20:52.31Flimzya package name can't ahve a / in it
20:52.40msfdpkg -S apt-setup
20:52.41dpkgThere is no record of a apt-setup package
20:52.44msfhrm
20:52.44greycatFlimzy: factoid keys are case insensitive, so it's being parsed as -s
20:52.47cafuegopaulswm: I have enouigh noice in the house from 1) My damned neighbour and his fucking dance music and 2) the computers
20:52.49msfworks on m unstable machine
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20:52.55Flimzygreen_earz: ah
20:52.56greycat!literal cmd: -s (.*?)
20:52.56dpkgCMD: -s (.*?) is ($1): <reply> (Package: $1: Status: install ok installed|There is no record of a $1 package|You Fool! $1 is installed!)
20:52.58Flimzyblah
20:52.59paulswmcafuego: my home office with the computers in is so noisy I never hear the fridge, heh
20:53.00Flimzygreycat: ah
20:53.04PhatedYeah, because it's a -bot- on IRC.
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20:53.32Flimzydpkg --search /usr/sbin/apt-setup
20:53.33dpkgno idea, Flimzy
20:53.44cafuegodpkg -l moron-detector
20:53.44dpkgNo packages found matching moron-detector
20:53.46Flimzyheh... and it doesn't like long options either, apparantly
20:53.52greycatdpkg, cmd: -s (.*?) =~ s/You/(Dingos|Badgers) ate my $1!|You/
20:53.52dpkgOK, greycat
20:54.04paulswmcafuego: wow, loud dance music, you lucky guy
20:54.26cafuegospeedfreak too
20:54.30cafuegodamn kids
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20:54.45streuner_jet; http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/index.html
20:54.46paulswmloud
20:54.55peterSpaulswm: didn't know that stuff existed
20:54.56cafuegopaulswm: Did I tell you about the other neighbours?
20:54.59streuner_jetscreamer: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Partition/index.html
20:55.04paulswmcafuego: no
20:55.18cafuegodock workers
20:55.20paulswmpeterS: I have like 90db proof it exists
20:55.26tarzeaupeterS: can you update your mirror?
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20:55.44jetscreamerk thx again
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20:55.51cafuegomirror mirror on the wall, who's the fastest of them all
20:55.54peterStarzeau: sure.  remind me where to update from?
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20:56.16paulswmcafuego: That's like a retired Sailor's club?
20:56.26peterScafuego: not me, I've only 256 kbit upload.  despite the claim by my ISP that I was being upgraded to 384.
20:56.31tarzeaupeterS: http://gnustep.ethz.ch/pub/gnustep/
20:56.43streuner_jetscream: there is everything you need, if you upgrade your system, partition the old one or optimize your system...
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20:57.00cafuegopaulswm: More like a tatooed built-like-brick-shithouse men's meeting place. (Their uninion fought the law, and the union won)
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20:57.21ribnitzheyas
20:57.41cafuegopeterS: 256k is crap (I have it too)
20:57.50paulswmcafuego: so can't you persuade them to go round to your neigbor and tell him to turn off his pantie-waist dance music?
20:58.02tarzeaucafuego: heh
20:58.06FlimzypeterS: They probably upgraded someone else by accident
20:58.08peterScafuego: for most practical uses I'm perfectly happy with 256 kbit.  I still download a whole lot more than I upload, after all.  but it'd be *nice* to have more.
20:58.12greycatbetter than 128kbps.
20:58.24peterSFlimzy: I have been late paying bills lately - not paying attention - maybe they figured this was payback
20:58.27cafuegopaulswm: They're *scray* ;-)
20:58.31cafuegoscary too
20:58.33FlimzypeterS: hehe
20:58.44paulswmcafuego: well yes, that's the whole point
20:58.56auraxi remember there was a good site with os screenshots using the subdomain shots.* anyone knows what im talking about ?
20:58.58cafuegopaulswm: Every other word they utter is 'fuck'
20:59.23cafuegoWell, actually, they're quite nice. They towed a car for me that had been dumped in the lane in ebtween us :-)
20:59.54cafuegoThe only real bummer is that their HQ got a liquor license.
20:59.55PhatedWTF is "pantie-waist" dance music?
21:00.01paulswmcafuego: probably holding the rope in their teeth
21:00.30paulswmPhated: it's an expression for effeminate
21:00.43PhatedAhh.
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21:00.51PhatedThere's effeminate dance music?
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21:01.11asuffieldPhated: <cough> culture club
21:01.12paulswmno I don't
21:01.31paulswm!win asuffield
21:01.32dpkgCongratulations, asuffield! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
21:01.33Phatedasuffield: No bloody clue. The only dance music I know is avoid-at-all-costs.
21:01.44paulswmPhated: well there you are then.
21:01.51asuffieldyou've never encountered culture club? geez
21:02.08PhatedI'm actually semi-grateful for it.
21:02.10dondelelcarowell, most stuff that calls itself dance music is crap... but there are a few things that get lumped into the category that are pretty good
21:02.14cafuegoasuffield: Phated was born in the nineties (just about)
21:02.25PhatedI believe he's aware.
21:02.28paulswmearly 50s here
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21:02.38zinx<- early 80s
21:02.39cafuego!boyGeorgeSmite Phated
21:02.44paulswmheh
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21:02.54caphusocafuego: oh, come on, that's too evil, even for you
21:03.07peterStarzeau: sucking down your iso now, I'll move it into place after it's done.  let me know when you get a .torrent file I should mirror as well.
21:03.13cafuegocaphuso: Cthulfuego's trying to get out again
21:03.14dondelelcarogah... caphuso and cafuego are talking again...
21:03.15greycatkarma karma karma karma, karma chameleon
21:03.23peterSdondelelcaro: hehe
21:03.26Phateddondelelcaro: Don't you hate it?
21:03.34dondelelcaronow all three people who I can't distinguish between are talking
21:03.46PhatedWhich three?
21:03.49*** join/#debian [Kilrathy-HC]Is (~send@pD9E65E9D.dip.t-dialin.net)
21:03.59dondelelcaroPhated: I get greycat, caphuso and cafuego confused
21:04.11cafuegodondelelcaro: The other two are just chatbots
21:04.12PhatedI can see caphuso and cafuego, but greycat?
21:04.35greycatit's the number of letters
21:04.46PhatedFair enough.
21:04.47*** part/#debian csmith (csmith@chimera.apmaths.uwo.ca)
21:04.47cafuegohence dondelelcaros nick
21:04.47tarzeaupeterS: okay, thank you
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21:05.02PhatedSticks out like a sore thumb. :)
21:05.05tarzeaupeterS: will/have you ever tried it, btw?
21:05.08paulswmyeah but a lot of the nicks are 7 letteres
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21:05.19PhatedLike yours. :)
21:05.19cafuegowith 'c's in them
21:05.22cafuegothat's never good.
21:05.25MdI'm the udev maintainer, and I'm looking for ISDN users. please /msg me if you have any experience of ISDN and 2.6 kernels
21:05.27peterStarzeau: actually, no.  I meant to try it a long time ago but never got around to burning a CD
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21:05.37greycatWow.  That's brave.
21:05.48cafuegoMd: <heh>
21:05.48tarzeaupeterS: now you can use qemu -cdrom GNUSTEP-i386-0.9.4.iso
21:05.52paulswmyeah, and tarzeau, peterS etc
21:06.00cafuegoMd: You should preemptively put mwilson on ignore
21:06.05PhatedHeh.
21:06.08*** part/#debian meursault (~meursault@80-218-42-241.dclient.hispeed.ch)
21:06.22FlimzyI haven't used ISDN since 2.6 came out
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21:06.26paulswmanyone still use ISDN, I guess so
21:06.30Flimzyand even then, I used serial devices
21:06.36Phatedtarzeau: What's this iso about, then? I've been semi-following your convo.
21:06.43cafuegoSpeaking of, I have a Cisco 801 ISDN router for sale.
21:06.46peterSthat's why he's having trouble finding ISDN users to tell him how udev should handle various devices
21:06.52peterSbecause almost *nobody* seems to be using it anymore
21:07.04D-fenceHi all, how is it possible to have vim colors through ssh ?
21:07.10tarzeauPhated: it has NETHACK!
21:07.13FlimzyAnd I have 3 Ascend ISDN pipeline 75 ISDN routers for sale, for 50% of whatever cafuego  is asking for his :P
21:07.14greycatD-fence: ssh doesn't make a damned bit of difference.
21:07.25Phatedtarzeau: And? Link to info? :)
21:07.28greycatD-fence: it's between your terminal emulator, your $TERM variable, and the program you're running.
21:07.29paulswmfunny really, because not much more than a couple years ago, it was the dog's bollocks
21:07.33tarzeauPhated: http://livecd.gnustep.org/
21:07.34FlimzyAnd several USR Courier I-Modems, and some sort of internal ISDN card
21:07.36peterSPhated: GNUstep on a live bootable CD.  I'm one of his mirrors for this thing, although my mirror is awfully slow
21:07.38cafuegoFlimzy: HA! I was offering mine with a $100 bonus!
21:07.41tarzeauPhated: completely free software!
21:07.48PhatedInteresting. I should try it.
21:07.52tarzeaupeterS: every mirror counts!
21:07.52Flimzycafuego: hehe
21:07.55greycattarzeau: do you have enough users of this thing to justify bittorrent>
21:08.00peterSPhated: it's 370 MB, have fun
21:08.06PhatedOh dear.
21:08.13tarzeaugreycat: i currently have enough bugs to not put it on bittorrent yet (wait till monday)
21:08.14peterSgreycat: for his previous version he had a .torrent
21:08.19tarzeaugreycat: the mirror at work is 1000mbit ;)
21:08.20PhatedAh well. I do have CD-Rs lying around and just plugged in my CD-RW.
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21:08.33D-fencegreycat: I don't understand, I'm connecting to a machine and then to another and I don't see any colors in vim
21:08.38tarzeauPhated: feedback is very welcome, and help improve things
21:08.40FlimzyI should put my ISDN stuff on eBay... maybe I can get $5 out of the stuff now, as opposed to the -$5 I'd get in a year
21:08.44Phatedtarzeau: Does it have an IRC client on it anywhere?
21:08.47greycatD-fence: then you have something wrong, but it's *not* ssh
21:08.56tarzeauPhated: yeah right bottm, click on "TalkSoup"
21:09.02PhatedGood lord, my BeatrIX iso has finished dowloading while I was still awake.
21:09.04cafuegoFlimzy: Mine at least can be bought for $25 by someone who needs a IOS training device.
21:09.17tarzeauPhated: there's 3500 nicknames from which one is choosed from (if the bug wasn't there)
21:09.22Flimzycafuego: yah.  *sigh*
21:09.35tarzeauPhated: and it autoconnects to irc.gnustep.org #gnustep
21:09.37*** part/#debian snarf (~dsdfsdfsd@12-220-134-83.client.insightBB.com)
21:09.40ribnitzevening.
21:09.41Flimzycafuego: I have a lot of old ISP equipment I need to sell... that I'm sure nobody will want.
21:09.48D-fencegreycat: Ok, Thanks. But what do you advise then ?
21:09.50ribnitzPhated: morning for you.
21:09.51paulswmIf everyone with ISDN kit waits until it is like completely outdated, toresbe will prolly buy it from you
21:10.04Phatedtarzeau: I see. I presume I should test out the 0.9.4 iso?
21:10.12Phatedribnitz: Top o' the mornin' to ye, sonny.
21:10.13cafuegopaulswm: toresbe wouldn't know isdn kit if he stumbled over it
21:10.16toresbepaulswm: I have several ;)
21:10.20Phatedcafuego: Oh yes he would.
21:10.24paulswm!win paulswm
21:10.24dpkgCongratulations, paulswm! You have won the US presidency!
21:10.25Flimzyisdn kit?
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21:10.29tarzeauPhated: yes please
21:10.31quitttI hate Gnome and KDE games
21:10.34PhatedGranted, s/stumbled/ejaculated/
21:10.35paulswmtoresbe: :D
21:10.35quitttcan I delete them?
21:10.43cafuegoFlimzy: kit ~ hardware. Don't confuse with KITT.
21:10.46tarzeauquittt: try console games, like nethack. or www.mtp-target.org or gnustep games!
21:10.47Phatedtarzeau: Righto. Download in progess... :)
21:10.48sussudio"Gertrude Walton, a deceased eighty-three-year-old woman, was named as the only defendant in a federal lawsuit filed by a group of record companies. They claimed Walton made more than 700 pop, rock and rap songs available for free on the Internet under the screen name 'smittenedkitten.' Needless to say, the suit has since been dropped."
21:10.56sussudioi see dead people. sharing beastie boys.
21:10.57Flimzytoresbe: Do you have a Livingston portmaster 2e w/ ISDN ports yet?  You can have one now for a wonderful low price!!
21:11.01zinxcafuego: KITT.... you get those at radioshack?
21:11.05joebob2000way to quote slashdot
21:11.09joebob2000i didnt know this was #yesterday
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21:11.14toresbeI'm sort of bad at ISDN theory
21:11.16quittttarzeau, yes I know
21:11.16sussudiojoebob2000: you're yesterday
21:11.19cafuegoThe Beastie Boys were playing down the road here last weekend.
21:11.22quittttarzeau, but can I delete them?
21:11.30quittttarzeau, I like my menu games clean
21:11.30tarzeauquittt: of course.
21:11.30toresbeI do have a digital PABX I picked up at a fleemarket, with 7 phones and a TA
21:11.33quitttwith only good games
21:11.41cafuegozinx: They can only be purchased off the back of a (moving) truck.
21:11.49ribnitzsussudio: all you need is a filesharing client, and a permanent inet connection.
21:11.53greycatsussudio: only 700?  damn... they'd fucking *hate* me.
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21:11.58sussudioribnitz: and a pulse.
21:12.03calinSOMEONE SHOW ME THEIR BOOBS!
21:12.09paulswmtoresbe: I love you, man
21:12.09*** mode/#debian [+o greycat] by ChanServ
21:12.10*** mode/#debian [+o caphuso] by ChanServ
21:12.15*** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cs6710177-64.houston.rr.com] by greycat
21:12.19*** mode/#debian [-o caphuso] by caphuso
21:12.20*** kick/#debian [calin!~wooledg@192.35.79.70] by greycat (no)
21:12.20sussudiogreycat: i don't think they look on GiFT
21:12.23toresbecafuego: Hah, moobs :D
21:12.23*** mode/#debian [-o greycat] by greycat
21:12.29quittttarzeau, but Gnome Desktop tells that I need Gnome games
21:12.30ribnitzsussudio: you only need to be alive to start it.
21:12.32quitttwhat hell
21:12.41joebob2000sussudio: snap son!
21:12.44tarzeauapropos BOO*, www.linuks.mine.nu/boomerang.jpg
21:12.51ribnitzquittt: Gnome is bloatware (and so is kde)
21:12.52peterSribnitz: and somehow you have to keep paying the ISP bills after you die
21:12.54paulswmtoresbe: I just *knew* you'd have old kit like that
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21:13.01deadcatthis aint geeks gone wild.
21:13.02PhatedWouldn't you know.
21:13.06cafuegohey, I've swum 4500m this week, i have great moobs.
21:13.13ribnitzpeterS: ebanking.
21:13.22peterSribnitz: right, just saying, you have to set this up explicitly
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21:13.35ribnitzpeterS: yes, ofc.
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21:13.40netichi. how do i tell wine to use some win native dll in some specified directory?
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21:14.04toresbeFinally, a decent HTML WYSIWYG editor for Unice!
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21:14.23toresbepaulswm: I don't know nearly enough about ISDN
21:14.45toresbepaulswm: But ISDN is/was extremely popular in Norway
21:15.02cafuegotoresbe: WYSIWYG editor? Where?
21:15.04toresbepaulswm: something like 60% of phone lines here are ISDN lines
21:15.06Phatedtarzeau: Which?
21:15.08PhatedEr, toresbe.
21:15.12quitttdamn
21:15.17quitttwhy Gnome will need Gnome games?
21:15.19toresbecafuego: It's for IRIX :P
21:15.26cafuegotoresbe: Pfffft.
21:15.27PhatedPft.
21:15.30toresbehehe
21:15.40quitttit is so stupid
21:15.47quitttI always hated those stupid game
21:15.51quitttI prefer my Quake III Arena
21:15.55toresbewell, still, it's a wysiwyg that isn't Windows You See, Windows You Get :P
21:16.00quitttthis wasting of space
21:16.02cafuegoI suppose I could emulate one of those at a fairly decent speed with the right software
21:16.12caphusoquittt: then why did you install the gnome package if you don't like the dependancies it pulls in?
21:16.20cafuegoHAHHA!
21:16.30grivellquittt: Gnome doesn't need to have Gnome-games installed.
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21:16.35netictoresbe: ISDN was popular in slovakia too. but only because of monopol telecomunication. they first made money on ISDN and then they came with ADSL
21:16.38quitttgrivell, yes it does
21:16.45cafuegoa MS banner ad on this site is completely not working right. How typical.
21:16.51PhatedWe ought to make it so that cafuego is forced to change his nick to cthulfuego whenever he and caphuso are around.
21:17.01toresbenetic: Yeah
21:17.02Phatedcafuego: Why are you clicking on MS ads?
21:17.03caphusogrivell: the gnome metapackage pulls in about damn near every gnome package
21:17.09toresbenetic: We have a de-facto monopoly
21:17.12grivellquittt: Not, just remove the package that depends on it then, and select all those that the previous package depended on.
21:17.16cafuegoPhated: not clicking, it just displayed
21:17.19grivellquittt: Use 'aptitude'
21:17.26quitttgrivell, yes
21:17.47Phatedcafuego: Ah.
21:17.48grivellcaphuso: Yes it does, which is why I don't bother with it, I just manually select.
21:17.48caphusoi'd do a "!depends gnome", but i don't want to get dpkg kicked for flooding :-)
21:17.56PhatedHehe.
21:18.12PhatedNo, you can just install gnome-desktop-environment. I don't think that one has gnome-games.
21:18.13greycatit's a good thing you can't do "!depends -r <pkg>"
21:18.32caphusooh, that'd be real fun
21:18.32peterSgreycat: oh, indeed
21:18.41peterSlet's see what depends on libc6
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21:18.47quitttgrivell, gnome-desktop-eviromnent tells me that it need Gnome games
21:18.50greycatpeterS: no, I meant recursive, not reverse
21:18.55peterSahh
21:19.00deadcatquittt: if you use gnome. DONT BITCH
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21:19.07toresbenetic: It's sad - they used to be a very cool company, but then they got a new CEO, and now they are profitable and universally despised
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21:19.08PhatedAmen.
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21:19.23grivellquittt: So do what I said.  Get rid of gnome-desktop-environment and manually select all it depends on except gnome-games.
21:19.35greycator just remove gnome-games afterward.
21:19.53PhatedBesides, what's wrong with GSame? XD
21:20.10grivellIt is not a big deal.  I personally wish dpkg depended on Battle for Wesnoth though ;)
21:20.14PhatedJesus, why does this thing have to eject on completed burn...
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21:20.33sussudioPhated: because you told it to?
21:20.47greycator didn't tell it not to...
21:20.47deadcatPhated: dont use -eject (=
21:21.01deadcatPhated: try -dontfuckeject
21:21.07PhatedThis si some rubbish windows app. So ner.
21:21.19FlimzyPhated: Well then there's your problem
21:21.21MasterYodaI am trying to configure a usb printer with cups, when I connect it, the kernel reports that I have usblp0 and a /dev/usb/lp0 device is created, but cups will not print to that device
21:21.22PhatedYeah yeah.
21:21.28deadcatPhated: then DONT BITCH (=
21:21.34Phateddeadcat: Bitch. :)
21:21.35MasterYodaany idea?
21:21.54caphusoa friend of mine broke his CD burner because of autoejecting after burning
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21:22.07PhatedHow so?
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21:22.22sussudioPhated: it's nero, isn't it.
21:22.26caphusohe stood up, made a step forward and hit the thing right that ejected at the exactly  wrong time :)
21:22.30PhatedNo, DeepBurner.
21:22.43Phatedcafuego: Whaaaat?
21:22.48sussudioi'd prefer a shallow burn
21:23.00PhatedFirst-degree all the way, eh.
21:23.04deadcatcaphuso: shit happens (=
21:24.00cafuegoPhated: eh?
21:24.16Phatedcafuego: I was trying to parse. Brain not working. Sorry. :)
21:24.33cafuegocaphuso: That's what warranty is for. I've had two DVD burbers die (and be replaced).
21:24.44PhatedErrr... GODDAMNIT CAFUEGO change your nick. :)
21:25.08paulswmAutoejecting after burning is, however, a good thing in military aircraft
21:25.13nostromo^which is a bigger memory hog: postgres, or mysql?
21:25.21Phatedcafuego: I just confused you with caphuso.
21:25.23greycatrun both and benchmark it.
21:25.23deadcatnostromo^: mysql
21:25.31sussudio!confuse Phated
21:25.31dpkgNo, those are our weasel yesterday, Phated? shirts of the people's republic of belarus with extra ham
21:25.37toresbecafuego: I actually had a burner with autoeject screw up one of my potential routers
21:25.42PhatedWell thanks, that cleared it all up.
21:25.42PerfDavenostromo^: Who cares? PostgreSQL is worth buying more RAM for ;)
21:25.44cafuegonostromo^: That dpeends on the DBs you have open, stored procedues, number of connected users etc.
21:25.47asuffieldthe memory usage of postgresql depends entirely on how much memory it's told to use
21:25.53toresbeI was playing dosgames on it, while I was burning Debian netinstall
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21:26.08asuffieldalmost everything it uses is cache, and that's from the config file
21:26.16paulswm!win PerfDave for advocating postgresql
21:26.17dpkgCongratulations, PerfDave for advocating postgresql! You have won a one way ticket to Soviet Russia!
21:26.22ABetAny US-americans around, who wants to help settle an offtopic bet?
21:26.24nostromo^hmmm, gotchya.
21:26.25nostromo^thanks
21:26.26toresbethe burner was an external SCSI job, and when it ejected, it shoved a cup of coffee a mate of mine placed there
21:26.31PhatedHeh.
21:26.38toresbeinto the case
21:26.42PhatedCup-non-holder.
21:26.47toresbecupshover
21:27.05toresbeI still haven't decided if it's a pusher or a shover bot :P
21:27.12PhatedPusher.
21:27.19toresbehmm, yeah, true
21:27.26paulswmwell 'cuppusher' sounds to much like a sneeze
21:27.31toresbeups
21:27.32paulswms/to/too/
21:27.33toresbeneeds larger velocity to shove :P
21:27.40Phated!win paulswm
21:27.41dpkgCongratulations, paulswm! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
21:28.01toresbePerfDave: :O teh TERIBLE SECRET OF SPACE
21:28.13PhatedWhat, killing your typing?
21:28.41toresbePhated: You're just not *in* on the joke, are you
21:28.53paulswmABet: so what's the bet
21:28.57toresbeI could never make a typo with my IBM clicky(tm) keyboard
21:29.12PhatedHah.
21:29.12ABetpaulswm : How many zeroes does a us-american million have?
21:29.24paulswmABet: 6
21:29.26toresbeABet: Million is universal
21:29.40Daaaanii got this usb ext hdd (q-tec 3.5" IDE to USB hdd case) how do i mount it?
21:29.44paulswmABet: 9 in a billion, 12 in a trillion
21:29.46Phatedtoresbe: No, it isn't.
21:29.54PhatedActually, it is.
21:30.00PhatedIt's a billion that isn't.
21:30.01ABetPhated ?
21:30.04Phated!lose me
21:30.05dpkgphated: You Lose.
21:30.14PhatedABet: Anyways, 6.
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21:30.17webmindanyone know if squid in debian/sarge has ipv6 support ?
21:30.24ABetStrange .. I alwas thought that million differed.
21:30.26ribnitzABet: its the billion that isnt.
21:30.26cafuegoDaaaani: usb-storage (it will show up as scsi disk)
21:30.33Phatedpaulswm: You mean 9 in a milliard, 12 in a billion. :)
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21:30.42paulswmPhated: and trillion, quadrillion, etc, they're all different
21:30.48PerfDaveActually, a billion *is* universal. The UK adopted US-billion (1e9) as the standard back in the late 70s, 1e12 is incorrect. And countries other than UK and US don't count ;)
21:30.48asuffieldwhat the heck is a milliard?
21:30.53cafuegoPhated: yanks count differently from the rest of the world.
21:30.55paulswmPhated: 9 in a US billion
21:31.00hedonickABet: well, that's probably because you have such a strange way of counting in .dk ;-)
21:31.00PhatedWhat americans call a million, asuffield.
21:31.08Phatedcafuego: They do.
21:31.13Daaaanicafuego: where can i find it?
21:31.25paulswmUK thousand million = US billion
21:31.27ABetpaulswm : Well, I think in danish a billion is 1 times 10^12
21:31.30cafuegoasuffield: 10^9 = milliard (you call it a billion)
21:31.31greycatUS million = 10^6; billion = 10^9; trillion = 10^12; etc.
21:31.49PerfDavepaulswm: UK thousand million = UK billion = US billion :)
21:31.54cafuegoEurope: million, millard, trillion, trillard
21:32.13PhatedMillion, milliard, billion, etc, isn't it?
21:32.16PerfDavecafuego: So what's the European equivalent of the American retion? ;)
21:32.21paulswmPerfDave: I thought a UK billion was 10^12
21:32.41PerfDavepaulswm: See my comment of two minutes ago
21:32.48cafuegopaulswm: UK != Europe ;-)
21:32.57Phatedtarzeau: Which was the IRC client again?
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21:33.06cafuegopaulswm: Europe doesn;'t have that high a national debt, so we don't need a name for that number.
21:33.10deadcat!uk
21:33.11ABetcafuego : So .. how much is a million in the UK?
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21:33.22Phated6 zeroes.
21:33.24cafuegoABet: 10^6
21:33.41[Granger]heh 1968
21:33.43paulswmin *my* day, a billion was a million squared
21:33.47[Granger]you're old enough to be my brandfather
21:33.55[Granger]grandfather*
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21:34.07deadcathes old enough to die i think
21:34.07paulswmmind you, a pound was 20s or 240d as well
21:34.09Phatedpaulswm: Until US started saying it was a million * thousand.
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21:34.23asuffieldcafuego: europe doesn't *have* a national debt. the accountants lost it
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21:34.28PhatedHeh.
21:34.35asuffield[Granger]: then that makes you about six years old
21:34.41greycatI'm sure they know quite where it's buried.
21:34.41cafuegopaulswm: Hey, THESE days a million is 1024 squared ;-)
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21:34.48Daaaanihow do i mount an  scasi disc?
21:34.53greycatcafuego: nope, that's a mega :)
21:35.03sussudioscasi?
21:35.04ribnitzDaaaani: with mountr
21:35.08ribnitzer mount
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21:35.11ABetThanks for help me ... though I'm quite surprised, and apparently losing the bet..
21:35.18cafuegoasuffield: It's hiding under the butter atoll in the center of the milk lake.
21:35.20ribnitzsussudio: SCSI
21:35.28PhatedABet: As long as you didn't bet a billion.
21:35.32sussudioribnitz: could be SCA
21:35.40cafuegoOw!
21:35.42ABetPhated : I bet a sixpack :P
21:35.51tarzeauPhated: TalkSoup
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21:35.54PhatedPft.
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21:35.56ribnitzsussudio: SCA Special Interest?
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21:36.04Phatedtarzeau: Ah. Their page seems to be down. Thanks.
21:36.10sussudioribnitz: i believe they're hot-swappable scsi drives
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21:36.21PhatedNO GUNS!
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21:36.39tarzeauPhated: their page is not down. was the network configured? start termianl, type ifconfig , ping www.gnu.org
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21:36.51tarzeauPhated: i have tested it also. and it worked for me
21:36.57hedonickPhated: depends on what one bets... I recall paying over a million for 4 persons rooms... but this was in Yugoslavia... and some years after the inflation REALLY got up to speed :)
21:36.58Daaaaniwhat name will the 1 scasi disc get?
21:36.58paulswmI haven't got one anyway, just a Walther P38
21:37.08Phatedtarzeau: Ahem. I'm online, talking with you right now. The network is configured, thank you.
21:37.10cafuego!lart paulswm
21:37.17deadcatPhated: HAHAHAHAH
21:37.23paulswmaargh
21:37.24Phateddeadcat: :)
21:37.31ribnitzDaaaani: sda
21:37.43deadcatprobably a dns thing. always dns.
21:37.47Phatedtarzeau: Anyways, I was referring to the main talksoup page. The aeruder.net one.
21:37.52paulswmHow ironic, I lived in Louisville for 5 years
21:38.04PhatedPft, only five? :)
21:38.06tarzeauPhated: ahh that, yeah that's down. i mean the TalkSoup icon on the live cd
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21:38.19paulswmGreat place
21:38.23Phatedtarzeau: No, I haven't finished downloading that yet. Sheesh, it's 371 megs.
21:38.31cafuegomaybe a tcp_ecn issue
21:39.34paulswmwe are unusually short of n00bs in here, or folks having problems with nvidia cards
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21:40.04ThaigerHey can anyone help me?  I had lilo before, compiled a new kernel and had trouble getting it to appear in the menu, so I switched to grub because I hadn't had a problem configuring it before, but now when I boot it says something like unknown partition type
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21:40.16Daaaaniwhere can i chenge what drives shall be mounted at startup?
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21:40.22greycatDaaaani: man fstab
21:40.33ribnitzThaiger: on i386?
21:40.41paulswmThaiger: did you compile ide support and your root filesystem support into your kernel
21:40.50Phatedpaulswm: I thought you'd put a filter on "nvidia".
21:41.04BerlinHello I've got a Server in the Internet where I've got only access via ssh. I think I've crashed my lilo config, because the system is not starting. I could start the server in a special mode and it loads a rescue system. So that I could access it. Now I've to find out if lilo occours this problem. So how could I determine if a system is started or if there is a lilo configuration error? When I look@ the syslog its empty. Therefore I think the
21:41.28paulswmPhated: no, I can't bear to think I might be missing something!
21:41.28Thaigerribnitz: yes i386
21:41.43Thaigerpaulswm, It won't boot my old kernel let alone my new one
21:41.55Thaigerpaulswm, actually it'll boot my new one if I do it manually
21:41.58sbkThaiger: you probably have an incorrect name for your root entry in the grub.conf (assuming you're not booting of some unusual filesystem :)
21:42.02Phatedpaulswm: Hehe.
21:42.04ribnitzThaiger: whats fs is your boot partition
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21:42.12Thaigerribnitz, ext3
21:42.29ribnitzThaiger: worx fine here
21:42.59paulswmThaiger: check /boot/grub/dvice.map and menu.lst and ensure they're consistent and referring to the right partition (grib partitions start at 0, and so go hard drives)
21:43.12paulswms/dv/dev/
21:43.17ThaigerI can go into the grub command line and boot my new kernel just by typing kernel /boot/newbzImage then boot, but it doesn't work with my old kernel on the same partition
21:43.54paulswmThaiger: is your old kernekl in / or in /boot?
21:44.05ribnitzPhated: they are offering low-cost trips to .sg..
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21:44.20Thaigerpaulswm, /
21:44.37Thaigerbut / and /boot are the same partition
21:45.13Phatedribnitz: Do it do it do it!
21:45.13paulswmThaiger: they are different directories, grub reads the filesystem unlike lilo
21:45.17Phatedribnitz: Who?
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21:45.55ribnitzPhated: some of those charter airlines no one knows.
21:45.57paulswmThaiger: run update-grub and see if works without error
21:46.05Phatedribnitz: Ah.
21:46.15PhatedValuAir or something is decent, I've been told.
21:46.16BerlinHow could I check if my system was booted or if a lilo error occoured... ?
21:46.29Thaigerpaulswm, OK thanks
21:46.32greycatif it's not booted, you can't check for errors, because you can't do shit.
21:46.34PhatedThey'll never beat SQ for sheer quality, but ah well.
21:47.03^Diablo^<PROTECTED>
21:47.04paulswmThaiger: my pleasure, feel free to ask more questions :)
21:47.07ribnitzPhated: have made good experiences with EK,,
21:47.37ribnitzPhated: only problem is the stopover in dubai..
21:47.49PhatedHeh.
21:48.03ribnitzPhated: 2 hours, form like 2am to 4am.
21:48.24PhatedNot too bad, then. Time for a quick stretch and some duty-free? :)
21:48.28^Diablo^hi
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21:48.40^Diablo^what's the spanish debian chanel?
21:48.47sussudio!es
21:48.48dpkgHispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda.  Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help.
21:48.48streuner_!es
21:48.54^Diablo^thanks
21:48.54sussudio!win me
21:48.55dpkgCongratulations, sussudio! You have won second prize in a beauty contest!
21:48.57Berlingreycat: I've got a server in a server center by a provider. Therfore I've just ssh access... I think I crashed my lilo config. But my provider has a special boot mode where my server boots in a rescue system, therfore I've got access to my server. Now I have to find out why my server won't start. I think I crashed my lilo config. But I'm not sure. Therefore I want to know if the system was booted but it was just not accessible by the network.
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21:49.39ribnitzBerlin: dmesg, syslog?
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21:49.59greycatBerlin: *HOW* does it boot into this "rescue mode"?
21:49.59Berlinribnitz: the syslog is empty, therfore I think its not started
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21:50.35ribnitzBerlin: what does last |head tell you?
21:50.37Glitch_MasterDoes anyone here know the precise name of the roland-made "GS" midi patch file that M$ stole? Also, would one happen to know where I might find a copy of it that will work with timidity?
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21:50.45Berlingreycat: It loads a rescue image during bootup from a TFTP Server. Ehm it boots a os from the network.
21:51.02greycatBerlin: so, just type "uname -r" and see which kernel it's on.
21:51.12Berlinribnitz: what do you mean ?
21:51.13greycator "cat /proc/version"
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21:52.05ribnitzBerlin: last |head does some analysis of btmp/utmp, giving you the most recent logins. restarts are in there too.
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21:52.47ribnitzcan xine play a directory that looks like a dvd?
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21:52.56greycat<pedantic> wtmp, not utmp </pedantic>
21:53.07greycatribnitz: try it and find out
21:53.30Berlin2.4.27-1-686 is the kernel running... (from the rescue system)
21:54.15Berlingreycat: 2.4.27-1-686 is the kernel from the rescue system
21:54.26greycatand which kernel is on your local disk?
21:55.34Berlinehm I'm really not sure... i've got the files  vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4  vmlinuz-2.4.20 in my /boot
21:55.54greycatseems clear enough to me.
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21:56.25BerlinOhhh... and can you help me greycat ?
21:56.36greycatI think I just did.
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21:56.48greycatyou wanted to know whether you were booted from the rescue system or from the local disk, right?
21:56.55Berlinnooo
21:57.35BerlinI want to know if there was problem after booting my system or if the system couldn't be booted because a lilo error was ther
21:57.45greycatso get a serial console and WATCH IT BOOT.
21:58.13Berlingreycat: thats not possible the server is in a server center at my provider
21:58.18Berlinthats my problem
21:58.28BerlinI've just ssh access
21:58.56greycatwell, you ain't gonna know why it doesn't boot if you can't see it boot.
21:58.58ribnitzgreycat: menus dont work.
21:59.00BerlinI think when my /var/log/syslog is empty the system hasn't boot, right?   (I deleted the file before I bootup)
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21:59.14greycat*sigh*
21:59.22greycatif it DOES NOT BOOT, you get NOTHING.
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21:59.38greycatthere will be NOTHING WRITTEN TO DISK because there is NO DISK MOUNTED TO WRITE IT TO
21:59.52Berlingreycat: ok thanks
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22:00.07Glitch_MasterEh...
22:00.10Glitch_MasterPie.
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22:01.30Berlingreycat: damn, how could I fix this problem? Have you got an Idea. My problem is I can't see the system boot. I can just try some lilo configuration changes and rebot and reboot. Is there a good tool configures my bootloader, so that it should work ?
22:01.37paulswmBerlin: can't you check your lilo.conf and run lilo?
22:01.48greycatI gave you my idea.  get a serial console.  or get thee to the data center.
22:01.53Berlinpaulswm: I can check it and run lilo
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22:02.10paulswmBerlin: and lilo runs without error?
22:02.34Berlinpaulswm: I'm not sure because I could not see it boot. Because the server it not here...
22:03.16paulswmBerlin: I understand.  But you are now on your system with a rescue kernel, right?
22:03.26nottyhello, i have 2 sound cards, how do i make one of them the default one ?
22:03.50Berlinpaulswm: yes :)
22:04.14nottythe /dev/dsp link is all i have to do ?
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22:04.23paulswmBerlin: so, if you execute lilo, you can see its output,, right?
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22:04.48Berlinpaulswm: yes I'm in a chroot and could do anything I could do on my normal system
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22:06.38Bizarro_pacohello everyone..i hope all are well.
22:06.42paulswmBerlin: well that's what I was meaning.  Closely check your lilo.conf, and then run lilo to reinstall it, and see of it outputs any errors.  Check your fstab, too, particularly the root entry.
22:06.56Daaaanihow do i install glcore?
22:07.23beowu1fsorry 3G...not G3
22:07.33Berlinpaulswm: lilo puts Added Linux * out
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22:07.45AngelGabrielHow can use my wireless card to spot all the wireless connections in my vicinity?
22:07.46Berlinpaulswm: and no errors..
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22:08.07paulswmOK, so lilo's happy with your config
22:08.25Berlinpaulswm: But I'm not happy :(
22:08.34Bizarro_pacoi have sarge, and i am using black box. i am having trouble displaying mozilla when i am in my daily user, but not in root. any ideas?
22:08.36Berlinpaulswm: because it doesn't boot the system..
22:08.48PerfDaveAngelGabriel: "apt-cache search wireless" shows a few tools that might be of use.
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22:08.57paulswmBerlin: did you change kernels, or filesystems, or what since your last successful boot?
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22:09.19beowu1fAngelGabriel: must install a wireless toolkit first... one with the 'iwconfig' ustility in it
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22:09.47Loevborgwhen running grub-install /dev/hda I get an error message: Running "install --stage2=/boot/grub/stage2 /boot/grub/stage1 (hd0,4) /boot/grub/stage2 p /boot/grub/menu.lst "... failed
22:09.52PerfDavebeowu1f: Doesn't /etc/network/interfaces take care of that for you?
22:09.53netbrainhey. im trying to create one big partition with lvm and two harddrives. if i pvcreate /dev/hdx. will all the data on the disk be deleted?
22:09.53Berlinpaulswm: I run a dpkg-reconfigure -all and there was also lilo reconfigured and it told me something about boot problems but I read not good enough. I think it makes some kernel changes
22:10.17Loevborgthe error is "Error 22: No such partition" - I want to switch to grub from lilo, using devfs-style udev
22:10.27Loevborganyone have a clue?
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22:10.49beowu1fAngelGabriel: then type [iwlist wlan0 scan]
22:11.15Bizarro_pacothe error message i get running mozilla in blackbox is: Gtk-WARNING **:cannot open display. this only occurs as a daily user; mozilla displays fine in root.
22:11.17Daaaanii get faild to load glcore using configfile /etc/xf86config-4 so
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22:11.23Daaaanican i reconfigure it someway?
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22:11.39Growlyhmph.
22:11.40paulswmBerlin: if you do anything with kernels, including if they get relocated on the disk (even if the directories stay the same), you have to run lilo.  Lilo keeps a map of the physical disk sectors, it doesn't read filesystems.  Maybe now you've run lilo, you'll boot OK.
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22:12.10Berlinpaulswm: you could have a look here: http://nopaste.php-q.net/112755
22:12.15paulswmOK
22:12.20Bizarro_pacoloevbug: re-install the distribution, and use lilo instead of grub
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22:12.51GrowlyDoes anyone else have a Promise FastTrak S150 SX4-M ?
22:12.52ThaigerI'm using the tulip module for my onboard nic right now, but what do I compile into the kernel to get it to work?
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22:12.53Berlinpaulswm: I run and run lilo and trying much config settings.. but the system doesn't boot
22:12.55RyuujinUhm.. Yeah.. I get this dependency problem when trying to install mysql-server - It claims it needs mailx so when I add that, it needs libvpopmail1.. but that's impossible as apt-get -f install reports "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libvpopmail-dev_5.4.4-1_i386.deb (--unpack): | trying to overwrite `/var/lib/vpopmail/include', which is also in package vpopmail-bin"... Any idea of what I should do?
22:12.58Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): reinstall and use lilo
22:13.04AngelGabrielPerfDave, beowu1f Thanks for your input!
22:13.11LoevborgBizarro_paco, I use lilo. want to switch.
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22:13.28paulswmBerlin: OK, let's walk through this.
22:13.30Berlinpaulswm: by the way, thanks for your help
22:13.47paulswmBerlin: you are most welcome ;)
22:13.53valdynRyuujin: which debian release?
22:14.02Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): the problem is that grub has trouble with certain components; for me, i have a three year old laptop that came with WIN98, 2nd, and it cannot take grub.
22:14.17AngelGabrielPerfDave, beowu1f That is just showing me the APs i want to see the other wireless clients
22:14.43Ryuujinvaldyn: an upgrade is not plausable as it's a corporate server so don't suggest that... but I honestly don't have a clue. My boss just hired me.
22:14.51LoevborgBizarro_paco, I thought it was supposed to be inherently superior.
22:14.52RyuujinI'm guesssing 3.0, though.
22:14.56DaemonHello, I am attempting to install Debian on to my server, going from a Redhat user to a Debian User... now i have found the FTP Server, but to me I see 7 iso files that are marcked for i86 machines...
22:15.10Berlinpaulswm: do you see any things which are wrong in my config file ?
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22:15.16Berlinpaulswm: or could be wrong ?
22:15.17valdynRyuujin: i suspect youre mixing packages from different releases
22:15.29beowu1fhmmm...have to get back to u on that one
22:15.31Ryuujinvaldyn: maybe, but what's the solution...
22:15.33GrowlyDaemon: You only need disk 1 to install, the rest are packages I think.
22:15.34paulswmBerlin:  I'm looking
22:15.37valdyn!info libvpopmail-dev woody
22:15.38PhatedDaemon: You can use the first CD alone as a network install.
22:15.46DaemonDo I have to download and install  all those ISO files
22:15.54Daemonok
22:15.55beowu1fAngelGabriel: ever used 3g.. or know of anyone using it under linux
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22:15.55PhatedDaemon: Or /msg dpkg d-i, that is a more recent version than woody.
22:16.09Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): yes it is superior, but, unfortunantely, with superiority comes in inexorable quirkiness that sometimes cannot be explained.
22:16.12Ryuujin!info libvpopmail-dev woody
22:16.18paulswmBerlin: your root partition *is* /dev/hda2, right?
22:16.22daaanihow do i reconfigure xf86Config-4 ?
22:16.28GrowlyHow do I list devices?
22:16.29Berlinpaulswm: yes
22:16.31valdynso this package isnt from woody
22:16.34asgdaaani: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
22:16.40ribnitzdaaani: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
22:16.44GrowlyWhat's the Debian equivalent of the Windows Device Manager?
22:16.53Berlinpaulswm: and is has a bootable flag
22:16.55ribnitzGrowly: there isnt
22:16.57Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): r u using testing or stable?
22:16.57asgGrowly: cat /proc
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22:17.04LoevborgBizarro_paco, this is explainable, it's just a plain bug: update-grub doesn't work with udev - which is enitrely ridiculous
22:17.05asgs/cat/ls/
22:17.12LoevborgBizarro_paco, unstable
22:17.20Ryuujinvaldyn: so do you know a solution?
22:17.25grivellGrowly: lspci -v   :)
22:17.36Growlylspci sucks :(
22:17.37paulswmBerlin: the bootable flag doesn't matter to the Linux boot loaders, just a bit of trivia for you :)
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22:17.44valdynRyuujin: that depends on what you are trying to do
22:17.48ribnitzGrowly: wat you wanna achieve?
22:17.48roodsanyone know how to use sed to replace newlines with commas?
22:18.03ribnitzroods: google?
22:18.04Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): well, if u spent a lot of man hours and a lot of late nights solving it, it wouldnt be worth it.
22:18.19Ryuujinvaldyn: just install mysql-server as it's needed and it got uninstalled while removing qmail (which I have no clue why it did)
22:18.19paulswmBerlin: please paste here the one line from your /etc/fstab which refers to root
22:18.23GrowlyDriver status
22:18.23asgroods: sed -e 's/\n/,/'
22:18.25valdynRyuujin: if you want to run woody, then dont use sarge or sid packages and vice versa
22:18.31valdynRyuujin: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list
22:18.38LoevborgBizarro_paco, it's even got a bug report: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=284266
22:18.50abdutronje
22:18.50Berlinpaulswm: by the way here is a little bit file structure: http://nopaste.php-q.net/112756  (I gonna paste now the other line here)
22:19.15grivellGrowly: as in, is it loaded?  lsmod, or dmesg | less
22:19.15Berlinpaulswm: /dev/hda2       /               ext3    errors=remount-ro,usrquota      0       1
22:19.16GrowlyI don't have a /proc directory
22:19.16valdynRyuujin: make sure only woody sources are in there
22:19.38Growlyyes i do
22:19.40DaemonThankyou so much for the information, and Im quite sorry for coming into a devs room... just been bothering me tomuch, the docs wernt to much of help, wasnt sure if I had to download a floppy bootloader...
22:19.41Growlyoops.
22:19.43roodsasg, ya that is what i'm doing and it isn't working
22:19.50Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): but remeber, there is a time/effort things u have to consider too...lilo functions well enough that u really dont need grub..grub is really nice with its graphical aps, but it isnt absolutely necessary.
22:19.54LoevborgBizarro_paco, I'm staying with lilo for now
22:20.06valdynRyuujin: Assuming you want this box to be and stay woody
22:20.09ribnitzGrowly: besides /proc, there might also be /sys
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22:20.18LoevborgBizarro_paco, I'd love to have the shell etc. to be able to recover in case of emergency etc.
22:20.21Ryuujinvaldyn: that'd be my option, yes - and it's fixed now :)
22:20.39DaemonDoes Debian support GUIs? Like KDE and/or gnome
22:20.43valdynRyuujin: how?
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22:20.47RoninDaemon: yes it does
22:20.52Daemonawsome
22:20.53grivellDaemon: Yes it has both and more.
22:20.59paulswmBerlin: it all looks fine to me
22:21.00Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): yes, but remember to always save your docs on disc, so u really wont be in a heap if something does go wrong
22:21.14grivellDaemon: Check out 'aptitude'.  A great package manager.  Or synaptic.
22:21.15Growlyit says: WWServer02:~# cat /proc
22:21.15Growlycat: /proc: Is a directory
22:21.18AngelGabrielbeowu1f, 3g? never heard of it - google searches are throwing back 3g mobile phone networks
22:21.26Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): myself, i am having issues with blackbox.
22:21.28psyc_is there a better diagram tool or dia is good enough for you ?
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22:22.07daaaniit keep saying that glcore is missing :(
22:22.10LoevborgBizarro_paco, that won't hose you data though :)
22:22.14Ryuujinvaldyn: reason I installed qmail was because of a 23xxxx lines long file after grep'ing /var/log/mail.log with entries of qmail trying to send spam to ++300 completely different hosts.. I just removed all unstable entries from sources.list... ^^;
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22:22.43paulswmBerlin: I don't know where else to look.  It looks like it should boot fine.  Isn't there anyone who can watch it boot at the data center wher the box is located?
22:22.48Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): what??
22:22.49valdynRyuujin: alright, nice
22:22.54DaemonDoes Debian work well on a Pent 200 mhz ?
22:23.02RyuujinIt would, yes.
22:23.06RyuujinDebian works on most systems.
22:23.13DaemonFor processing and Memory managment
22:23.15DaemonAwsome
22:23.21RoninDaemon: yes but i wouldn't recommand runing kde on that
22:23.23LoevborgBizarro_paco, if blackbox breaks, you wont lose you data.
22:23.37grivellRonin: KDE isn't bad on that with enough memory :)
22:23.40paulswmDaemon: I'm running sarge on a 166HZ with 32 MB memory
22:23.40Daemonok...and what about a 400mhz w/ kde?
22:23.46paulswm166KHz
22:23.50DaemonSweet
22:23.54Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): true, but i am having annoyances with les critical issues then data loss
22:24.02Berlinpaulswm: but my system is still not avaiable over the internet. after a reboot. (Therefore I thought about it could be a network problem and I've got to find out if the system was booted but just the network not set up correctly).
22:24.02grivellDaemon: My uncle's system is 366 mhz celeron.  Works slow, but fine.
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22:24.07paulswmDaemon: the 400 will be fine but X will be a bit slow
22:24.13Daemonok
22:24.22LoevborgBizarro_paco, I'm being sympatheic.
22:24.24valdynDaemon: 32mb ram is just enough )
22:24.39DaemonIts not games or entertainment..I work well with editors anddevelopment for my projects...
22:24.44Berlinpaulswm: no. ;(  And as I thinking on it I activated iptables as a init.d script
22:24.47Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): what x do u use?
22:24.50paulswmBerlin: it looks like it should boot OK, I think you're going to have to seek support from the data center where they can get at your box
22:24.52DaemonJust getting tired of corrupted files...and the crap you get from windows
22:25.04Ryuujinvaldyn: thanks a lot for your help (guidance through my bliss of ignorance caused by drowsyness and being tired..)
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22:25.21asgroods: oh, since sed splits on newlines, replacing one is very difficult apparently. (http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?PerlGolf)
22:25.26valdynRyuujin: welcome
22:25.27Berlinpaulswm: My last question. When the syslog is empty that means that the system hasn't boot. I'm right ?
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22:25.45Daemon...any suggestions anyone would make for someone new to Debian?
22:25.56Daemon...but not new to the linux worlkd..lol
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22:26.13LoevborgBizarro_paco, gnome2 & metacity (if that's what you mean)
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22:26.34paulswmBerlin: that means it hasn't started the logging daemons yet, it could have booted but it certainly hasn't finished getting to the default runlevel
22:26.34Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): how do u like gnome?
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22:26.51Berlinpaulswm: oooh damn...
22:26.53asgroods: try "tr '\n' ',' < foo.txt" (as a possible alternative)
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22:26.58LoevborgBizarro_paco, it's good, really.
22:26.59valdynDaemon: /msg dpkg d-i and install that, if you need somewhat recent software, but seeing at what kind of box you are going to use, just install woody
22:27.18LoevborgBizarro_paco, slow though, I'd prefer my terminal to come up in less than 3 sec.
22:27.30Daemonok
22:27.32Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): ha ha ha
22:27.56Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): black box takes less then a half a second
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22:28.04JohnGHIs there a howto available on how to install Sarge from a running (sarge) system? - I have a machine with no CD-ROM and no floppy drive and I want to put a bigger hard disk in.
22:28.13PerfDaveJohnGH: The Installation Manual
22:28.14valdynDaemon: sarge doesnt necessarily demand more cpu / ram, but woody is more stable and might be fine despite its age
22:28.25LoevborgBizarro_paco, but that has to do with my lame hard drive. using xterm instead of gnome-terminal would be faster too.
22:28.31paulswmBerlin: try to back out any changes you made and get it to a bootable state.  You should anyway *always* back up and system files which you change.  For instance, if you change /etc/fstab, first 'cp -p /etc/fstab /etc/fstab.000', the -p will preserve the timestamp on the copy
22:28.33myTB|eViL|awayGuten Abend.
22:28.58paulswmBerlin: I really don't see how I can help you further.
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22:29.13Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): from my little experience of using gnome, i thought there was both a 'terminal' option and a shell option..correct?
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22:29.35LoevborgBizarro_paco, what would that be supposed to mean?
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22:30.07valdyn!confuse Bizarro_paco
22:30.08dpkgYes, who are your ferret tomorrow, Bizarro_paco? lederhosen of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra anchovies
22:30.14paulswmJohnGH: You want to add a hard drive, or replace one?
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22:30.22JohnGHPerfDave - thanks I had skimmed it but wasn't looking in the right section - you made me look again :o)
22:30.39Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): maybe taking the shell option from the main menu would be quicker.
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22:31.14paulswm!comfort paulswm
22:31.15dpkgThere, there, paulswm.  It's OK.  I'm here for you.
22:31.16JohnGHpaulswm: It's a small form factor Dell 233 with space for only one hard disk, so I will need to replace it.
22:31.42LoevborgBizarro_paco, dont think so.
22:31.49paulswmJohnGH: did you find anything in the installation manual to tell you how to do it?
22:31.58JohnGHI have the case open and the second hard disk is connected as /dev/hdc at the moment
22:32.26JohnGHBut that's only for while I'm installing, then I'll swap it over to be /dev/hda once it's installed and take out the old disk.
22:32.27Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): what processor u running, and how much ram?
22:32.46Loevborgis it really necessary to install kernel sources to build ndiswrapper?
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22:33.04LoevborgBizarro_paco, p4-1600 256MB
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22:33.19Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): thats cool
22:33.20valdynLoevborg: no, kernel-headers are fine
22:33.44Loevborgvaldyn, then how do I invoke debian/rules?
22:33.57JohnGHpaulswm: not step by step yet, I've just found places where it says things are possible.
22:34.06valdynLoevborg: thats not the way to build kernel modules in debian, so you dont
22:34.17Loevborgvaldyn, okay.. make-kpkg?
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22:34.23valdynLoevborg: just try "module-assistant"
22:34.39Bizarro_paco(Loevborg): what do u like better, meta or gnome?
22:34.53valdynLoevborg: yes - make-kpkg is the debian way and a level below modules-assistant ( which does about everything for you )
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22:35.09paulswmJohnGH: you using grub or lilo?
22:35.14JohnGHIt's also got a PXE card in it... but from memory (5 years ago) I'd need to set up a tftp server and dhcp server... (and I already have one on my network which is on my router - so won't be configurable to push pxe info)
22:35.15IdiotSticdoes the ia-64 sarge netinst work on an amd64? I've burned 4 coasters so far that won't boot or even mount, even after re-downloading twice from the debian site.
22:35.43Yabdenia64 is a different architecture, gotta get the x86-64 one
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22:36.01JohnGHpaulswm: I have just recently started using grub, I've used LILO for 10 years... :) I'm happy with both, but I think I'd prefer to use grub now if I can.
22:36.04Loevborgvaldyn, didn't know that one!
22:36.23IdiotSticI didn't see an x86-64 kisted. is it in unstable?
22:36.30IdiotSticlisted even
22:36.32paulswmgood, it's easier to correct screwups, I did the same as you :)
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22:36.48Yabdennot sure where it is at, just ia-64 is the itanium architecture
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22:37.00packanyone seen anything about serial data getting corrupted when dma isn't turned on?
22:37.07cigadpkg asks for (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? I want to answer Y to all. is there a way?
22:37.07IdiotSticYabden: that makes sense
22:37.08dpkgciga: that's too long
22:37.29JohnGHI've also thought about trashing my USB drive with an install image and going from there... I just thought it might be easy enough to go from an already running system to get the data down over the network and the partitions ready to go...
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22:37.57paulswmJohnGH: you don't need to install.  Just make a grub floppy, partition the new drive, copy over your current partitions using cp -ax, power down, switch the drives, boot up with a grub floppy and install grub, and bioot.
22:37.57valdynLoevborg: you are using the ndiswrapper debian packages arent you?
22:38.23IdiotSticYabden: the web site said the ia-64 supported the athlon 64, which was confusing to me heh
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22:38.34Loevborgvaldyn, "ndiswrapper-source"
22:38.35Yabdenyeah the different architecture names are pretty cryptic
22:38.37paulswmJohnGH: well, mk the filesystems after you partition, of course :)
22:38.49valdynLoevborg: ok, fine
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22:39.42JohnGHpaulswm: this is a rather old machine that was upgraded from woody, I'd prefer to install it new rather than copying everything over - otherwise I'd just use partimage on another machine I just built and image it over the network.
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22:40.34paulswmJohnGH: OK, then I wouldn't know how to do that, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were so experienced or I wouldn't have gone into such excruciating detail
22:40.47Loevborgvaldyn, can't seem to make it work with a different kernel than the currently ("uname") running one
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22:41.07JohnGHpaulswm: I appreciate the ideas - thank you.
22:41.30valdynLoevborg: no idea if m-a does support that, make-kpkg does
22:41.47lnxbye
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22:41.54paulswmJohnGH: my pleasure, I'm moving stuff around all the time on my boxes.  You stick a nickel in my hand and I automatically type the copy-to-new-disk sequence :)
22:42.05Loevborgvaldyn, it claims to support it, but it doesn't seem to..
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22:42.59ribnitzAny ideas how to split a dvd of a size of 6-8G into two (valid) half-size dvds of 3-4G each?
22:43.00valdynLoevborg: you need to cd into the kernel-headers-blah directory of whichever kernel you want it to compile for, then make-kpkg modules-clean && make-kpkg modules-image
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22:43.54valdynLoevborg: whatever is the currently running kernel is irrelevant for this.
22:43.57JohnGHpaulswm: yup - I've been playing with partimage this week and enjoying it - I'm in the process of coming up with a way to re-image the Windows XP machines in my mate's internet cafe...
22:44.53Glittershow should i choose the file system type of the hda? on partitioning the disk, it prompt me to "Use as: do not use" and i pressed enter. or should i leave it that way?
22:45.05paulswmJohnGH: Use ntfsprogs (ntfsclone and ntfsresize) for ntfs stuff, they're really good, I've done Xp imaging and resizing a lot and they work just great
22:45.08JohnGHI want to make a minimal Linux system in the top block (7mb) of the disk which uses partimage to restore an image from the D: drive back over a 10GB C:
22:45.38JohnGHpaulswm: I did :o) I used them to make a 10GB C: partition on what was a 40GB disk.
22:45.45valdynLoevborg: i would guess that m-a does support that too and might even be alot easier, i jus never use m-a
22:45.58Berlinpaulswm: I run dpkg-reconfigure lilo and told it to create a new config it created this one: http://nopaste.php-q.net/112763
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22:46.52paulswmJohnGH: they are just a really fscking good pair of programs, I love them
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22:47.10Loevborgvaldyn, how can make-kpkg tell what module to build?
22:47.55Loevborgvaldyn, each that was unpacked in /usr/src/modules?
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22:48.13valdynLoevborg: you extract all xxx-source.tar.[gz|bz2] packages, they end up in /usr/src/modules. make-kpkg by default builds everything in there
22:48.15JohnGHpaulswm: they rock :o)
22:48.21paulswmBerlin: well that doesn't look right, it wants to install on your partition boot record instead of the MBR and there's no reference to your initrd
22:48.22valdynLoevborg: yep
22:48.56Berlinpaulswm: yes that there is no initrd looks strange to me but dpkg build the file so
22:48.59Loevborgvaldyn, ahh that worked great
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22:49.11nostromo^how do i go back a word in vim?
22:49.22Glittersi used the ReiserFS Journal for my root directory, is it correct?
22:49.25Loevborgvaldyn, so that is easy - question is, why is this so poorly documented?
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22:50.02caphusonostromo^: run "vimtutor"
22:50.24valdynLoevborg: I dont know how it is documented
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22:50.40Loevborgvaldyn, oh that is stupid! it installed the modules to /lib/modules/2.6.10 instead of /lib/modules/2.6.10-1-686
22:50.49valdynLoevborg: I use this for 5+ years so uh, i dont recall where I found it
22:50.51nostromo^caphuso, i don't need vimtutor. got my answer, though. thanks.
22:51.10Bizarro_pacocan anyone tell me the command for removing blackbox?
22:51.14valdynLoevborg: because your headers are configured that way
22:51.29Loevborgvaldyn, how to reconfigure them?
22:51.35valdynLoevborg: cp /boot/config-2.6.10-686 <headerdir>/.config
22:51.47paulswmJohnGH: I have found a very good rescue disk to be here: http://www.sysresccd.org/ - just the other day, I booted it on an XP laptop, it auto-configured my ethernet card, I mounted a NFS share on another box, ntfscloned the XP partition over the network to the share, messed around some in XP, then ntfscloned (restored) the partition from the share, all worked great, it's a gentoo based CD but it has an excellent set of tools
22:51.49Loevborgvaldyn, I see
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22:52.58valdynLoevborg: "make oldconfig" after that
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22:53.32Loevborgvaldyn, it's not THAT easy :)
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22:54.01valdynLoevborg: yea, that's why there's m-a
22:54.18Loevborgvaldyn, I think make-kpkg already invokes oldconfig
22:54.59valdynLoevborg: I didnt know if it does even for "modules-image"
22:55.37Glitterswhat the hell.....
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22:55.43Glitterswhat a strange error messege :S
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22:55.59GlittersNo installable kernel was found in the defined APT sources
22:56.05paulswmLoevborg: here's a doc which I've found useful: http://myrddin.org/howto/debian-kernel-recompile.php
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22:56.13PerfDaveHmm, this is odd. I've compiled the driver for my webcam with module-assistant, and it's loaded and the camera is recognised in /var/log/messages, but GnomeMeeting won't see it. Any ideas?
22:56.15Glitterswhat should i do now? :S
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22:56.36JohnGHpaulswm: hmmm cool 112074kb - Nice fit on USB stick :)
22:56.40Glittersit tells me, you may try to continue though this rather strange error is probably fatal. !
22:56.44uGexeafter doing modprobe emu10k1 my sound still does not work. is there some other module i have to load (debian sarge default kernel and using default module)
22:56.52Glitterssome help please?
22:57.05paulswmJohnGH: I guarantee you'll like it, much better than messing with knoppix, etc
22:57.10valdynGlitters: what are you talking about? sarge netinstall?
22:57.11JohnGHPerfDave: Which device file is GnomeMeeting talking to?
22:57.24Glittersyeah
22:57.25JohnGHpaulswm: I'll give it a try - thanks :)
22:57.26Glittersthe sarge
22:57.32Loevborgpaulswm, thanks
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22:57.40Glittersis it normal? cause all the installation is gonna be live
22:57.51paulswmJohnGH: I even booted it on a 32MB old lappy to save off a Win95 partition :)
22:58.15PerfDaveJohnGH: Dunno, it says it's auto-detecting devices and can't find any.
22:58.33JohnGHpaulswm :) - Do you know if you can run it off USB?
22:58.35valdynGlitters: try a different mirror?
22:59.20Glittersi have'nt yet used the net...
22:59.27paulswmJohnGH: I don't know, maybe there's something at the site or maybe just try anyway :)
22:59.29JohnGHPerfDave: has a device file been created for your camera? (I'm sorry I've not used a webcam under LInux before, so I don't know where it would be) - I'd probably try looking at files in /proc to see if any of them gave a device name.
22:59.32Glittersi just fineshed partitioning... and then this error msg came
22:59.49paulswmLoevborg: you are welcome
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23:00.18LoevborgI'm rebooting and trying again with modules-assistant
23:00.32ribnitzhow would I split a set of vob files into two equal parts?
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23:01.10uglyribnitz: well, if anything has a chance of doing it, it's probably transcode
23:01.18uglyribnitz: ( http://transcoding.org )
23:01.33PerfDaveJohnGH: I'll check, thanks
23:01.40tazlewhere can I find information about the parameters accepted by kernel in boot?
23:01.41ribnitzugly: I want two dvds, not transcode it to svcd or whatever.
23:01.57bahamattazle: read the boot howto
23:01.58JohnGHPerfDave: it's USB right?
23:02.08uglyribnitz: transcode does a *lot* more than just dvd<->some other format
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23:02.32ribnitzugly: will look at it, thaks
23:02.54PerfDaveJohnGH: Yep. Shows up in lsusb, detected by the kernel according to /var/log/messages, the module is loaded according to lsmod.
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23:03.17tchinowhich packages i have to install for cups
23:03.24tazlebahamat: bahamat do you mean this: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/BootPrompt-HOWTO.html?
23:03.34ribnitztchino: cups
23:03.37bahamattazle: yep, that's the one
23:03.40uGexedo i have to edit users for them to hear sound
23:03.43JohnGHPerfDave: what modules is it?
23:03.50tarzeauuGexe: yes
23:03.52bahamattazle: if you want more info than is in that howto, I suggest looking at the kernel documentation
23:03.57tchinoribnitz: in which url i can configure cups
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23:04.09tarzeautchino: /topic
23:04.16ribnitztchino: localhost:631
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23:04.17PerfDaveJohnGH: "quickcam"
23:04.32tazlebahamat: right, I first missed the root FS section, I was looking for network options
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23:05.01JohnGHpaulswm: do you know if I can do something like downloading the sarge installer CD image, putting it in a filesystem on the original disk and booting it from grub on the original disk?
23:05.11apokryphosHi; I'm new to Debian systems.... how would I install an RPM. That is to say, I've converted it to a .deb, but what now? Konqueror opens it in archive manager.
23:05.21tazlealthough it doesn't contain enough information, so it's kernel docuemntation I guess
23:05.22uGexehow do i add all users to sound group?
23:05.33valdynapokryphos: dpkg -i <package>
23:05.59paulswmJohnGH: I don't know, I'm sorry, I'd be interested to know the answer though :)
23:06.19valdynapokryphos: what uh, the better solution is to just find a real debian package
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23:06.28paulswmtoresbe: you here
23:06.36Berlinpaulswm: and you're sure when I've got delay=1 active i must not press any key to boot lilo ?
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23:06.57JohnGHpaulswm: I'll have a look - from what I know grub needs a kernel and a root specified - unless I try booting it like you would boot a windows filesystem from grub :)
23:07.00tchinoribnitz: thank you
23:07.02apokryphosvaldyn: Thanks :).
23:07.08apokryphosI'm sure it is
23:07.10ribnitztchino: welcome
23:07.26paulswmBerlin: I don't think so, but I don't use lilo any more so man lilo
23:07.41paulswmBerlin: or man lilo.conf, rather
23:08.22paulswmJohnGH: That's prolly what you'd have to do
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23:12.20nostromo^im trying to make php work under apache-ssl, and it wouldn't... i keep getting to "save as application/x-httpd-php" in firefox when connecting with https, but with http works fine.. (yes, i've enabled the LoadModule line for php4 in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf)
23:12.45bahamatnostromo^: add handler?
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23:13.28nostromo^ok, i'll try that (never done that before. never needed to)
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23:14.38corallisif I want to be able to get a file from "http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/" with apt-get, what should I add to my sources.list?
23:14.57dliany lyx users?
23:15.04tarzeaudli: yes
23:15.09nostromo^bahamat: what handler? there's nothing of the sort in /etc/apache/httpd.conf
23:15.13dlicorallis, apt-setup
23:15.16tarzeaucorallis: unstable, example telnet linuks.mine.nu
23:15.41protein_origaminostromo: I guess you must be using apache 1.  My apache2 files are in a different place.  By the way, you wouldn't happen to have both v1 and v2 installed, would you?  That might explain your problem, if the https site was apache2.
23:15.52caphusocorallis: you can't just install random unstable packages on a non-unstable box
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23:16.07dlitarzeau, in math mode, \AA^2 gives me lyx error boxes, \AA and ^2 individually are okay
23:16.20nostromo^protein_origami, i am.. it's woody. and no. don't think 2 is in woody at all..
23:16.25tarzeaudli: unf i read lynx ;)
23:16.26coralliscaphuso:  how come?  I have before... I'm just looking to get the eclipse IDE on my desktop here for java developement
23:16.45bahamatcaphuso: nope, you have to install their dependancies too
23:17.01FieldySnutsI would imagine caphuso knows that
23:17.02Glitterswhat does DNS Servers do?
23:17.08tarzeauGlitters: they make DNS
23:17.18Glitterswell obvious...
23:17.20Glittersbut for what?
23:17.25tarzeauGlitters: http://www.rscott.org/dns/
23:17.27tarzeaufor me
23:17.29Glitterslike... its used for networks?
23:17.30FieldySnutsgoogle about DNS, it's a bit long to explain. short answer: convert host names to ip addresses, and ip addresses to host names.
23:17.35tarzeauGlitters: also check http://www.root-servers.org/
23:17.39tarzeauGlitters: no, for DNS
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23:17.53bahamatcorallis: because you'll have problems much worse than you can imagine
23:18.04Glittersi use /dns to resolve your ip adress :P
23:18.08dlitarzeau: oh, you are a lynx user
23:18.14corallisbahamat:  I haven't on any of my other machines that I installed eclipse on
23:18.22caphusodli: #lyx might be full of lyx users
23:18.37tarzeaudli: sometimes, yes
23:18.44paulswmGlitters: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm
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23:18.55caphusoyeah, looks like you can get away with installing eclipse on a sarge box
23:19.06bahamatcorallis: do what you want, then.  don't beg for help after you've been warned
23:19.21dlitarzeau, since you are a lynx user, this BBC report might be valuable for you, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4195339.stm
23:19.27caphusocorallis: but you need to make very sure that you don't accidentally upgrade half or more of your system to unstable
23:19.28Berlinpaulswm: I could also run apt.. should i remove lilo and install grup or should I install any other things ?
23:19.32tarzeaudli: i've read it already, heh
23:19.32JohnGHPerfDave: are you having any luck?
23:19.43coralliscaphuso:  I know, Im just installing eclipse and then removing it from my sources.list
23:19.58Berlinpaulswm: perhaps a other kernel ?!
23:20.07dlitarzeau, so, the good news is that you are not a briton
23:20.19FieldySnutsheh
23:20.26tarzeaudli: briton = from .uk?
23:21.26dlitarzeau: I thought so, no confidence at the legal meaning anyway
23:21.30Glitterswell... can someone explain, how does it work please!? like the Mail Server used to serv as a box that store mails for others like yahoo mail server, hotmail server... and the DNS? i dont know what DNS Server exactly is, i just wanna know ceriously
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23:21.51FieldySnutswe already told you where to find the info, explaining it is too exhaustive
23:21.51tarzeauGlitters: read the url i pasted
23:22.04tarzeauGlitters: http://www.rscott.org/dns/
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23:23.54Glitterstarzeau: it explains how to set up a DNS Server
23:23.57Glittersnot what is it
23:24.07tarzeauno it explains what DNS is
23:24.07FieldySnuts@fgi dns
23:24.22Glittersi know what DNS is
23:24.32Glittersbut i dont know what a DNS Server is
23:24.32tarzeauGlitters: why do you ask what it is, then?
23:24.33FieldySnuts...
23:24.52tarzeauGlitters: a program that services DNS
23:25.23Glittersjust to resolve host names and vice versa!?
23:25.32PerfDaveJohnGH: It appears to have magically started working for no reason :/
23:25.42paulswmBerlin: sorry, was afk, I don't know anything about administering remote servers so I really have no useful or safe advice for you, I'm sorry
23:25.43neo10-CZEHello. I have one question... When quagga 0.98.0-3 was release ?
23:25.45valdynGlitters: distributed database to resolve host names - yes
23:25.47PerfDaveJohnGH: Restarting gnomemeeting seems to have helped.
23:26.04dlitarzeau, what the standard solution? when running dhcp once, it over write my resolv.conf for static IP
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23:26.17FieldySnutsuh don't run dhcp then
23:26.20beckwhere can i get cu program ?
23:26.33FieldySnutsor pass whatever that option is to your dhcp client to not overwrite resolv.conf (i forget)
23:26.37dliPerfDave, gnomemeeting is so poor in audio quality, I use skype now
23:26.53dliFieldySnuts, sometimes I'm on wireless :(
23:27.00PerfDavedli: Uhm, skype and gnomemeeting use the same audio codec.
23:27.10paulswmGlitters: I gave you a link which, together with the links at the top of that page, will answer all your questions, go look at it, here it is again: http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm
23:27.13Glitterstarzeau: and why do you need to set up your entire hd just for resolving host names!?
23:27.15PerfDaveI've had it working fine, but have reinstalled since then.
23:27.23tarzeauGlitters: who says that?
23:27.26dliPerfDave, why gnomemeeting works much worse :(
23:27.27FieldySnutsravenbird: clue Glitters
23:27.37tarzeaudli: configure your dhcp properly
23:27.39FieldySnutsdli: because gnomemeeting is a peice of fettid dung
23:27.41Glitterspaulswm: i know how to set up a network, i'm on a network actually :S
23:27.52dliFieldySnuts, no, when running dhcp, it needs a new resolv.conf
23:28.05FieldySnutsdli: you can pass a flag to the client to stop it from doing that, i forget what it is
23:28.19dondelelcarojust use resolvconf
23:28.19paulswmGlitters: do you see a link at the top of the page marked 'DNS'? That's what the FBI call a 'clue'.
23:28.34dondelelcaroit takes care of the issue of dhcpd messing with your nameservers nicely.
23:28.37dliFieldySnuts, anyway, forget it, I just make a resolv.conf.bak and copy it back each time for static
23:28.42Glitterspaulswm: thanks for moking me
23:28.51paulswmGlitters: I am trying to help you
23:28.53FieldySnutsdli: idiot, there is a flag for that very reason. have fun doing it the hard way.
23:28.54dlidondelelcaro, that's nice :)
23:29.26PerfDaveAnyway, Skype is evil propriatery weirdness and does odd routing.
23:29.27FieldySnutsdamn. the thick skull number is way up there at the moment in here
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23:29.27dliFieldySnuts, flag for not to write reslov.conf? then, where to get dns?
23:29.30paulswm!win FieldySnuts
23:29.30FieldySnutsPerfDave: does it? what do you mean?
23:29.31dpkgCongratulations, FieldySnuts! You have won the US presidency!
23:29.32Agrajag-PerfDave: yeah, but it works very well :)
23:29.33dondelelcaroFieldySnuts: relax... no need to call someone an idiot... if there's a problem, just use /ignore
23:29.45FieldySnutsroger
23:29.54FieldySnutsdli: read the man page to your dhcp client. i'm not saying any more.
23:30.26Glitterspaulswm: i know what network is, dns is, ip as, port is, i just wondered why should there be a whol server just for using dns to resolving hostnames and vice versa.. its not like mail server or game server, which make sence to grab a whol hd for its purpose
23:30.29FieldySnutscool. I'm under DDoS attack.
23:30.30dliFieldySnuts, thank you anyway
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23:30.54FieldySnuts12Mbps line, good luck kids.
23:30.59joebob2000Glitters: tell that to someone who realizes that the entire foundation of the internet relies SOLELY on dns
23:31.41PerfDaveFieldySnuts: It routes all calls through centralised servers to avoid NAT issues, whereas Gnomemeeting requires you to forward a dozen ports.
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23:31.58joebob2000Glitters: no, its not resource-intesive but it is to be taken VERY seriously
23:32.01FieldySnutsGlitters: the alternative is this: instead of typing www.debian.org in your browser,  you have to manually remember, or have a huge book laying around and look it up, it's IP: 194.109.137.218. which would you rather remember?
23:32.25GrayThunderwhat is the easiest/most effecient way to (re)build a root files system disk from a 9 Gig scsi to a 146 Gig scsi drive?
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23:32.42dondelelcaroGlitters: what in the world is the actual issue? that by default Debian wants to use the entire harddrive?
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23:32.55valdynGrayThunder: cp -aR
23:33.01CovenerGrayThunder: cp -a,  fix your boot stuff seperately
23:33.15FieldySnutsGrayThunder: drop to single user mode, or stick the disk in another system, rsync -avD / /somewhere-else , rsync -avD /somewhere-else /mount-point-of-new-drive , install boot loader if needed.
23:33.22PerfDaveAgrajag-: I'm not particularly interested in propriatery solutions when I could do my best to assist the development of a Free alternative.
23:33.22paulswmGlitters: big DNS servers are very busy, and they are critical systems.  LAN DNS servers usually serve other functions also.
23:33.35FieldySnutsGrayThunder: man rsync , and --exclude things you don't need.
23:34.03Glitterspaulswm: you mean its used like, hosting!?
23:34.10dlipaulswm, I thought dns is cached on local servers
23:34.13Glittersis that what the dns servers meant to do?
23:34.21tazleuhh, how are network interfaces configured at boot-time in debian?
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23:34.28PerfDavetazle: /etc/network/interfaces
23:34.54tazlehmm, right
23:35.13dondelelcaroGlitters: what is your actual question? If you can't answer that, kindly go elsewhere.
23:35.18tazlewhere are man pages located on the filesystem?
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23:35.33dondelelcarotazle: where they're actually installed.
23:35.38dondelelcarotazle: dpkg -L foopkg; if you want to know.
23:35.53Glittersdondelelcaro well i'm a newbie. ok?
23:35.55paulswmGlitters: A DNS server is just a box running software, the same as any other box.  The owners can run what they like on them.
23:36.08FieldySnutsGlitters: nothing wrong with that, just ask us an actual question, that makes sense.
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23:36.25dondelelcaroGlitters: that's great, but you still must have some question or issue.
23:36.33tazledondelelcaro: the problem is, my debian system isn't up, and I can't get it up without configuring a network interface on it's nfsroot, and all the interface file says is "see interfaces(5)", which isn't very helpful on FreeBSD
23:36.45FieldySnutser
23:36.54FieldySnutsport?
23:36.55SlantHow do I get Debian to use two seperate internet exposed interfaces to work well together?
23:36.57valdyn!man interfaces
23:36.57dpkgEdit /etc/network/interfaces.  For DHCP: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet dhcp     For static: auto eth0 (newline) iface eth0 inet static (newline)(tab) address xx.xx.xx.xx (newline)(tab) netmask nn.nn.nn.nn (newline)(tab) gateway gg.gg.gg.gg
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23:37.21tazlenifty
23:37.25dondelelcaroSlant: you read the lartc section 4.2.{1,2} and implement the cookbook solution listed there
23:37.28Glittersi kinda understood, that the software that meant to run on a DNS Server computer, is a software that changes OR... set up domain names for IP Adresses for others to use as http... or ftp... or irc... or something like this. is that right? :O)
23:37.32dondelelcaroSlant: we talked about this yesterday
23:37.35Flimzytazle: You have FreeBSD running from a Debian/Linux nfsroot?
23:37.40FieldySnutsok you can't ask an actual question, sorry but I tried.
23:37.40Slantdondelelcaro: We?
23:37.49dondelelcaroSlant: yes.
23:37.51tazleFlimzy: I have Debian running from a FreeBSD nfsroot
23:37.55Slantdondelelcaro: I wasn't in here yesterday.
23:37.58dondelelcaroGlitters: all a DNS server does is resolve names. That's it.
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23:38.07Slantdondelelcaro: Thanks for your help, though.
23:38.09SlantI'm checking that now.
23:38.17Glittersok i got it :P
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23:38.22dlitazle: how did you make that nfsroot?
23:38.30Flimzytazle: And you just need to read the interfaces man page from the Debian nfsroot, on the FreeBSD machine, right?
23:38.37dondelelcaroSlant: ah, must have been someone else with the same (or similar) nick then
23:38.38FieldySnutsGlitters: this is what you should read: http://compnetworking.about.com/cs/domainnamesystem/g/bldef_dns.htm?terms=dns
23:38.53Flimzytazle: /usr/share/man... But you shoulda been able to figure that out with 'locate' or 'find'
23:39.02tazledli: with debootstrap, on a remote debian machine I don't have access to right now
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23:39.10dondelelcaroah... it was Snader
23:39.12FieldySnutsthough, that's not the greatest explanation. but it'll work
23:39.13Glittersdamn, my eye is blinking since the morning :(
23:39.13Slantdondelelcaro: lartc = http://lartc.org/howto/ ?
23:39.15dondelelcaros/d/dd/
23:39.17dondelelcaro!lartc
23:39.17dpkg[lartc] Linux advanced Routing & Traffic Control HOWTO, http://www.lartc.org/
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23:39.49looksausall my gnome programs seem to crash
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23:39.54looksauson debian sid
23:40.01looksaussince my last update
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23:40.14Flimzylooksaus: I feel your pain
23:40.18GlittersFieldySnuts: thats what i mean :S
23:40.19dlitazle: but why in such a configuration? just being carious
23:40.20looksauseven the default gnome terminal
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23:40.38looksausis this a known problem?
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23:40.47Flimzylooksaus: Did anyone ever teach you to use punctuation instead of the ENTER key?
23:40.50terry_there is a command that when you compile something it knows what you need.  Anyone know what that program is called??
23:41.01peterSterry_: 'apt-get build-dep'
23:41.03FieldySnutswha?
23:41.08tazledli: which part of the configuration are you referring to?
23:41.08mousexterry_ make?
23:41.15dlilooksaus, I thought people won't ask why when using sid
23:41.17Flimzyterry_: echo "Food"
23:41.25Slantdondelelcaro: This solution won't play well with /etc/network/interfaces, will it?
23:41.32dlitazle: nfsroot from a freebsd
23:41.34terry_no no no, its a shell wrapper, I think it was written in perl
23:41.41dondelelcaroSlant: yes, it will.
23:41.47paulswmFieldySnuts: port
23:41.52FieldySnutspaulswm: ?
23:42.04looksausdli: I do, afain even... You sound as if you have useful information to share.
23:42.18paulswmFieldySnuts: you want a definition of port?
23:42.24FieldySnutspaulswm: no, why would I
23:42.25tazledli: because I have FreeBSD with lots of disk space, because I can, because I don't have spare hard disks and because I don't really have the money to buy any sensible hard disk setup right now
23:42.26nostromo^im trying to make php work under apache-ssl, and it wouldn't... i keep getting to "save as application/x-httpd-php" in firefox when connecting with https, but with http works fine.. (yes, i've enabled the LoadModule line for php4 in /etc/apache-ssl/httpd.conf)
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23:42.46paulswmFieldySnuts: becuase you said "port?'.  I was puzzled.
23:42.58dlilooksaus, not really, I'm running gnome 2.8.1 on gentoo
23:43.00FieldySnuts*click*
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23:43.57dlitazle: nfsroot rw?
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23:44.03tazleyes
23:44.42FieldySnuts<offtopic> hehe the posting "Why does windows still suck?" on slashdumb got over 1000 comments, what trolls </offtopic>
23:45.03dlitazle: never tried, but does rw still work if I have more than one client?
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23:45.19toresbepaulswm: me here
23:45.29tazledli: no idea, I guess locking might be a problem
23:45.30paulswmWhy does anybody even bother responding to questions like that
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23:45.43FieldySnutspaulswm: heck if I know
23:45.46tazleI wouldn't do it
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23:46.00dondelelcaropaulswm: it's people reading /. Go figure.
23:46.13toresbeTo motivate myself to use my laptop more, I should install FreeBSD on my server :P
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23:46.36Thrawnim new to ethereal, so excuse my ignorance... but how do I just capture packets at the console (NOT use the GUI)?
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23:46.59FieldySnutsethereal is a gui, if you want to do that at the console, use tcpdump (seperate)
23:47.00JohnGHPerfDave: great :o)
23:47.05vulturewhat FieldySnuts said
23:47.09toresbepaulswm: whatisit?
23:47.10DataHunter2009hey everyone
23:47.19FieldySnutsnote: if you have tcpdump write a binary file, ethereal can read it.
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23:47.39DataHunter2009i was wondering... if i install debian, how do i use Win98 later on?
23:47.55ThrawnI see, so i can write tcpdump as a binary file and use ethereal in windows? :/  (im familiar with tcpdump)
23:48.03Thrawn(theres no X on our servers)
23:48.04DataHunter2009is there some OS switching program?
23:48.07FieldySnutsThrawn: maybe, not sure about in windows
23:48.11uglyDataHunter2009: google for "dual booting" / "LILO"
23:48.20FieldySnutsThrawn: you can view the data just fine in tcpdump, however, it's a lot easier to use ethereal after the fact.
23:48.20DataHunter2009thx
23:48.48paulswmtoresbe: I was woondering if you knew who weeble was in o-t
23:48.57Thrawnthanks a lot for the input, FieldySnuts :)
23:49.09Glittersok i'm on my new environment... now how can i start x?
23:49.16toresbepaulswm: Well, duh, he's Bob's friend
23:49.18FieldySnutssure
23:49.24paulswmOh
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23:49.32paulswmtoresbe: thanks
23:49.45toresbepaulswm: Heh, you haven't seen the Weebl and bob flash anims, have you? ;)
23:49.53paulswmtoresbe: no
23:50.01toresbepaulswm: MM, pie
23:50.05toresbepaulswm: you should ;)
23:50.21anti-windowshas anyone here gotten CUPS to work properly with any HP printer?  I can't seem to get anything to print from my printer except for the cups test page...everything else prints out as garbled junk
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23:50.46uglyGlitters: what have you installed? KDE, GNOME, or some other window manager?
23:50.54vultureanti-windows: what "everything else" have you tried?
23:51.00vultureif you can get the test page you should be able to get other things
23:51.09ugly(yes I know kde and gnome aren't window managers)
23:51.25anti-windowsvulture: ive tried from openoffice, firefox, and ive tried lpr -P <printer> <file> ... nothing
23:51.35ThrawnFieldySnuts:  By "raw packets" in the documentation, they mean the binary?  I dont see "binary" in the tcpdump manual?
23:51.45vultureanti-windows: what sort of files?
23:51.46Glittersugly: i dont know, it didnt prompt me to choose any of them, it just installed the debian and some other stuff,,, but have'nt prompt me to the x windows...
23:51.54anti-windowsvulture: plain .txt
23:52.04vultureanti-windows: tried postscript?
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23:52.10DataHunter2009LILO seems confusing... i'm not much of a programmer. is there some program that swicthes kernels easily?
23:52.17anti-windowsvulture: no
23:52.20bahamatDataHunter2009: grub
23:52.22vultureif firefox can't handle it I'm not sure what's going on to be honest, I can just suggest a few things to try
23:52.43vultureanti-windows: anything beyond that I'd start trying to look and see how cups prints its test page
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23:52.51bahamatanti-windows: can you print from other programs?
23:53.04anti-windowsbahamat: nope. only test page prints properly
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23:53.11bahamatanti-windows: example, type `lp /etc/passwd` and see what you get
23:53.13paulswmDataHunter2009: the only was to switch kernels is to reboot, I'm afraid, so you have to use grub or lilo
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23:53.42anti-windowsbahamat: will try in a sec. finishing re-downloading cups from apt . removed it and then reinstalling to see if I have any luck =/
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23:54.11DataHunter2009i can't find the GRUB documents... how would I use GRUB?
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23:54.24anti-windowsDataHunter2009: man grub, man grub-install
23:54.26bahamatanti-windows: I don't know about anyone else's experience, but I've found that the xprt stuff has severely screwed printing for firefox and openoffice
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23:54.42bahamatanti-windows: when I got rid of xprt I suddenly had no problems printing
23:54.44anti-windowsbahamat: xprt?
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23:54.50anti-windowsis that a package ?
23:55.01paulswmDataHunter2009: also info grub
23:55.02bahamatanti-windows: that's part of a package name
23:55.22anti-windowsbahamat: ah; well im willing to try to remove it...know what its full name is? or should I just apt-cache search it?
23:55.27bahamatanti-windows: dpkg -l | grep xprt
23:55.28paulswmDataHunter2009: info grub is better
23:56.02willen_kaffewhats the best site to get qmail for debian
23:56.12DataHunter2009so i d/l grub... and go to the command prompt and type info grub?
23:56.14DataHunter2009that's all?
23:56.15bahamatwillen_kaffe: debian.org?
23:56.18anti-windowsbahamat: okay, xprt has been removed. do I need to reload anything?
23:56.50bahamatanti-windows: it's probably a good idea to quit firefox, reload cups and set up your printers again
23:56.58paulswmDataHunter2009: apt-get install grub grub-doc
23:57.08anti-windowsbahamat: okay, will do so now
23:57.13DataHunter2009i do this in linux or windows?
23:57.20paulswmDataHunter2009: WAIT, don't install grub unless you decide to use it.
23:57.34paulswmDataHunter2009: apt-get install grub-doc and read
23:57.34DataHunter2009ya. i know that
23:57.41DataHunter2009i don't even have debain yet
23:57.44DataHunter2009*debian
23:57.54DataHunter2009i just needed to know what to use so when i do get it
23:58.21Glittersok after i loged in to my new debian system, i need a GUI interface, what should i do now to get kde or gnome and install it?
23:58.32paulswmDataHunter2009: then google for grub, the docs are certainly online somewhere
23:58.36vultureGlitters: apt-get install kde
23:58.36bahamatGlitters: apt-get install gnome
23:58.38vulture(or gnome)
23:58.39pingouin1anti-windows: maybe you've already give it, i've not really follow, but can you tell me which HP you have ?
23:58.39orfeuGlitters: apt-get install kde
23:58.46vultureseriously..
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