| 00:00.02 | jariep1_ | shingouz, I used the netinstall cd of sarge and it chooses grub |
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| 00:00.13 | Phated | SlayerXP: Ah well... |
| 00:00.13 | dxd | SlayerXP so if i have a point its just that the WD are noticably, er, quick |
| 00:00.17 | Rubin_ | what is the skinny on mysql 4 and debian lisence issues? |
| 00:00.23 | Rubin_ | what is mysql-dfsg? |
| 00:00.34 | Jaguar_ | bb |
| 00:00.38 | jariep1_ | shingouz, I think the problem is with writing to the MBR of this hard disk |
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| 00:00.43 | cafuego | directhex: ... and (grrrrr) a brand new nvidia gfx card. |
| 00:01.04 | SlayerXP | Rubin_: mysql4 is an abomination in the sight of man, God and machine. and therefore doesn't meet the dsfg requirement of not being "fundamentally shit" |
| 00:01.04 | humbolt | how can it be that not even oss sound is working correctly after two years of sarge development? |
| 00:01.20 | Phated | pebcak pebcak pebcak oooh it's a pebcak |
| 00:01.30 | shingouz | jariep1_: how about some error messages you get when you try booting or when trying to install the stuff onto the MBR |
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| 00:01.45 | Rubin_ | SlayerXP: LOL |
| 00:01.50 | directhex | cafuego, well as long as it does the job you need it to, does it make much difference? |
| 00:02.05 | Rubin_ | is there a link to some info on the issues? |
| 00:02.15 | jariep1_ | shingouz, everything works fine untill the reboot, then when it boots from the hard disk, it says error loading OS |
| 00:02.18 | SlayerXP | Rubin_: google for "mysql gotchas" |
| 00:02.20 | Rubin_ | its still GPL isnt it? |
| 00:02.26 | cafuego | directhex: Well, I *really* wanted an ATI, but the old card blew up and the stores that accept AMEX only had nvidia cards. |
| 00:02.32 | Rubin_ | i mostly just want subqueries |
| 00:02.41 | shingouz | jariep1_: and that is it? no other errors? |
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| 00:02.46 | SlayerXP | Rubin_: then you'll mostly want to be looking at postgres |
| 00:02.57 | jariep1_ | yes, no other errors at all |
| 00:03.02 | cafuego | directhex: Mind you, didn't go for half measures. FX5700 vivo 256MB |
| 00:03.28 | Rubin_ | SlayerXP: i have software already written for mysql though :( |
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| 00:03.30 | directhex | cafuego, you DO realise there's no advantage in that above a bottom end card if you don't plan on using the prioprietary driver and doing 3d things, right? |
| 00:03.35 | cafuego | And it does wotk on on amd64 |
| 00:03.38 | Phated | SlayerXP: That, my good man, is an absolute work of ART. |
| 00:03.50 | jariep1_ | i know the error is with writing to the MBR becuase I just booted the hard disk with the floppy and am installing debian on it from the net |
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| 00:03.54 | directhex | cafuego, hang on...... you're running the binary driver? :o |
| 00:03.56 | cafuego | directhex: Indeed. My flightsim apps do like it, though. |
| 00:04.02 | SlayerXP | Rubin_: if you wrote it well enough, the backend won't matter |
| 00:04.08 | SlayerXP | Phated: are you on drugs? :) |
| 00:04.12 | directhex | cafuego, play neverball. it's groovy |
| 00:04.23 | Phated | SlayerXP: Heh. |
| 00:04.23 | dxd | !time |
| 00:04.24 | dpkg | hmm... time is found on http://www.time.com/, or Tue Dec 7 00:04:25 2004 |
| 00:04.30 | cafuego | directhex: Yeah, I have glx on linux coz my cats like 'Atlantis' the screensaver ;-) |
| 00:04.51 | FBarthel_ | whats the noun to describe someone who studies physics? |
| 00:04.53 | Rubin_ | SlayerXP: writing portable sql is worse than using the worst sql possible |
| 00:04.55 | Phated | A guy who loves his cats. How sweet. :) |
| 00:04.56 | dxd | is that zulu time, or what ever they call these days |
| 00:05.00 | Phated | FBarthel_: Unluckyist. |
| 00:05.02 | cafuego | FBarthel_: Physics student |
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| 00:05.03 | dxd | utc |
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| 00:05.15 | FBarthel_ | Phated: :D |
| 00:05.19 | FBarthel_ | cafuego: isn |
| 00:05.21 | cafuego | FBarthel_: aka 'poor bastard who gets to play with very cool toys' |
| 00:05.26 | jariep1_ | shingouz, what do you think the problem is? |
| 00:05.27 | SlayerXP | Rubin_: there's no such thing as bad sql. |
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| 00:05.35 | FBarthel_ | cafuego: Isn't there a word like physist or something? |
| 00:05.40 | cafuego | FBarthel_: No. |
| 00:05.41 | SlayerXP | there is, however, such as thing as badly designed sql databases |
| 00:05.49 | justin | SlayerXP: theres both |
| 00:05.52 | badblody | how can i change new window in screen without ctrl +a + n ? |
| 00:05.58 | Rubin_ | SlayerXP: lowest-common-denominator code that doesnt do anything the short-cut fast way because some platform might not support it |
| 00:06.00 | SlayerXP | if your sql is crap, you most likely got the structure wrong |
| 00:06.03 | cafuego | FBarthel_: Of, you mean someone who has finished university and does physics? Physicist. |
| 00:06.11 | justin | badblody: ctrl + a + ? |
| 00:06.14 | dxd | FBarthel_ typically one narrows the focus in physics.. |
| 00:06.18 | shingouz | jariep1_: for some reason i like to think your computer is not supporting the drive. when it comes to configuring grub, ill have to pass. never ran grub yet |
| 00:06.27 | FBarthel_ | cafuego: Aaah thank yea thats the word I am looking for |
| 00:06.27 | jariep1_ | shingouz, how can I write to the MBR after i've installed debian |
| 00:06.27 | Rubin_ | SlayerXP: im not a newb. if you realyl think writing portable SQL is easy you havn't ever looked into it |
| 00:06.37 | IRCMonkeyaaaa | any word on when sarge becomes stable ? |
| 00:06.44 | Rubin_ | anyway, what i want to know is why mysql 4.1 is not avaialble in sid, mostly |
| 00:06.53 | badblody | justin, ^ a + number |
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| 00:07.05 | justin | badblody: no, the key with the ? on it |
| 00:07.11 | SlayerXP | Rubin_: I think designing databses well is very easy |
| 00:07.14 | jariep1_ | .join #debian-boot |
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| 00:07.20 | cafuego | IRCMonkeyaaaa: the word is 'no'. |
| 00:07.20 | shingouz | jariep1_: with grub, i have no idea. sorry |
| 00:07.39 | jariep1_ | shingouz, do you recommend I use LILO |
| 00:07.53 | SlayerXP | pop quiz: http://www.hinterlands.org/guessme.txt |
| 00:08.00 | badblody | thx justin |
| 00:08.07 | SlayerXP | guess what that query does, and which problem it solves |
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| 00:08.16 | SlayerXP | the winner gets a cookie |
| 00:08.26 | shingouz | no. if you have the thing running on the same computer with deadrat and grub, i guess grub is ok there |
| 00:08.47 | jariep1_ | ok |
| 00:08.49 | justin | hmm |
| 00:10.08 | SlayerXP | anyone? :) |
| 00:10.11 | cowbud | hrmm is it possible to run mysqld with xinetd I can't find shit on the web about it..anyone done this? (Why you ask? Cause I rarely use it but when I want to use it I don't want to start the bastard) |
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| 00:10.33 | justin | SlayerXP: first have to indent it :-P |
| 00:10.35 | justdust | something's fischy please help: when my system reboots, the last thing it does is detecting the nic and wait for dhcp, but then tty1 login pops up, and afterwards some more nic specifications... what can I do to delay the login prompt untill everything is set ? |
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| 00:10.41 | SlayerXP | cowbud: running mysqld out of any inetd is _stupid_ |
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| 00:11.07 | dxd | slayerXP fault tolerant login? :) |
| 00:11.17 | cowbud | SlayerXP: using 60 megs for the twice a day I use it is STUPIDER haH |
| 00:11.26 | VivekVC | I would like to remove xdm,gdm and aslo xfree-86 from my system, |
| 00:11.26 | VivekVC | how do i go about it "apt-get remove <package name>" ? |
| 00:11.31 | SlayerXP | dxd: close, but no cookie |
| 00:11.39 | SlayerXP | cowbud: 60 megs of what? |
| 00:11.49 | dvs | VivekVC: dpkg -P <package name> |
| 00:12.11 | cafuego | cowbud: It'll get swapped out and won't be in the way. |
| 00:12.14 | VivekVC | I also would like to know the exact name of X "XFree-86" or xfree-86" |
| 00:12.16 | ivanfrey | jariep1_: to install grub you could use grub-install |
| 00:12.26 | justin | SlayerXP: is e a view of the list of words that have 'e' in them? |
| 00:12.33 | VivekVC | or XF86 |
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| 00:12.39 | cafuego | cowbud: And no, you can't run *sql from inetd. |
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| 00:12.46 | SlayerXP | justin: e is a table of words that start with 'e' |
| 00:13.03 | justdust | something's fischy please help: when my system reboots, the last thing it does is detecting the nic and wait for dhcp, but then tty1 login pops up, and afterwards some more nic specifications... what can I do to delay the login prompt untill everything is set ? |
| 00:13.30 | cafuego | justdust: pebcak |
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| 00:13.48 | justdust | cafuego: ??? |
| 00:13.53 | cowbud | cafuego: ahh yes swap is a good point I wasn't thinking about that ;) |
| 00:14.01 | cafuego | justdust: You cna consider it to be not a problem. |
| 00:14.07 | VivekVC | If i try apt-get remove <package name>. will it purge the |
| 00:14.07 | VivekVC | configuration files too, i installed the packages by apt-get install |
| 00:14.07 | VivekVC | <package name>, so i would ideally prefer "apt-get remove <package name>" |
| 00:14.17 | SlayerXP | justin: that query is a special case, clues #2 is the same query without the special case |
| 00:14.18 | justdust | ok |
| 00:14.22 | shingouz | cafuego: that was diplomatic :) |
| 00:14.22 | rainfever | so are you guys manually typing in the name of the person you are responding too? |
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| 00:14.31 | ivanfrey | jariep1_: this works if the device map is right. You can get more information from http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub-install.html#Installing%20GRUB%20using%20grub-install |
| 00:14.39 | xam | VivekVC: you want 'apt-get --purge remove <package>' |
| 00:14.48 | cafuego | shingouz: yes, I hope people noticed, it doesn't happen very often ;-) |
| 00:15.00 | shingouz | hehe... maybe you need caffiene |
| 00:15.15 | VivekVC | xam: What is the exact package name of the the X server? |
| 00:15.32 | cafuego | true, only had 2 espressos sofar |
| 00:15.33 | justdust | VivekVC: depens on your vga card ? |
| 00:15.36 | cowbud | rain: you mean do we use nick completion? |
| 00:15.37 | dxd | later... I hear a hand-pulled cask-conditioned ale calling |
| 00:15.38 | cowbud | hah |
| 00:15.40 | cowbud | clever as shit |
| 00:16.01 | dvs | VivekVC: xserver-xfree86 |
| 00:16.10 | VivekVC | I use and Intel D45GLLY Motherboard with integrated Graphics card |
| 00:16.14 | VivekVC | dvs: Thanks |
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| 00:16.47 | justdust | dsv: I installed xserver-s3v, what is the difference ? |
| 00:16.59 | vipersniper | how to configure iptables in debian |
| 00:17.05 | shingouz | justdust: that is a 3.x series server |
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| 00:17.45 | justdust | shingouz: and xfree86 is ... |
| 00:17.56 | shingouz | series 4 |
| 00:18.06 | justdust | so it is better to use 4 ? |
| 00:18.25 | shingouz | depends on the hardware. some real old stuff does not like the 4.x at all |
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| 00:18.43 | Spt | I'm trying to rebuild my kernel and I just pulled up my system info off a website. but I'm still confused at which things I still need in the kernel. is there a site that lists more detailed what each item does? |
| 00:18.44 | napster | how many cd's do you have to d/l if you don't wanna netinstall ? |
| 00:18.50 | justdust | hmm, gues I have some work to do... |
| 00:18.53 | shingouz | napster: one |
| 00:19.02 | nvz | my xserver crashed twice.. once starting supertux, and once when exiting cicrcus linux o.O |
| 00:19.12 | justin | CASE WHEN r.freq>1 THEN 1 ELSE COALESCE(r.freq,0) END is redundant.. |
| 00:19.27 | cafuego | !stawlker justin |
| 00:19.27 | justdust | shingouz: define 'real old stuff' plz |
| 00:19.27 | SlayerXP | it's an autogenerated query |
| 00:19.27 | dpkg | $1: CAN YOU TELL ME ANY COMMAND PROMPT COMMANDS!!!! |
| 00:19.36 | justdust | ls |
| 00:19.54 | shingouz | justdust: stuff that is not supported by the 4.x but is by 3.x |
| 00:20.04 | SlayerXP | justdust: the postgres optimiser throws that away, much easier than working it out manually. |
| 00:20.12 | justin | if r is the list of words that start with r, the word either has 1 r, or more, so it will always be 1 |
| 00:20.12 | SlayerXP | justin: the postgres optimiser throws that away, much easier than working it out manually. |
| 00:20.22 | SlayerXP | oh actually no |
| 00:20.24 | napster | shingouz: you can't have like 3 cd's to have tha packages ? |
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| 00:20.30 | justdust | ok, I'm going to try the series 4 then... |
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| 00:20.42 | SlayerXP | justin: there's a very special case you're not considering |
| 00:20.48 | shingouz | napster: yes you can but if your going to do a netinstall you dont need them |
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| 00:21.23 | FieldySnuts | @lart justin |
| 00:21.40 | dondelelcaro | !literal cmd: stawlker (.*?) |
| 00:21.40 | dpkg | CMD: stawlker (.*?) is ($1|OMG! SOME GUY CALLED MARK HAS HACKED MY KERNEL!!! HELP!!!): <reply> $1: (CAN YOU TELL ME ANY COMMAND PROMPT COMMANDS!!!!|WHY DOES THE LINUX KERNEL HAVE NO XML SUPPORT!!!) |
| 00:21.58 | FieldySnuts | haha XML support |
| 00:21.58 | dondelelcaro | um, yeah. |
| 00:22.28 | Phated | Yelch, that is an ugly factoid. |
| 00:22.35 | SlayerXP | justdust: it's a database to play scrabble. |
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| 00:22.39 | directhex | FieldySnuts, you think it's funny? you SEEN the stuff microsoft are doing with their new command prompt replacement for longhorn? it's horiffic |
| 00:22.52 | SlayerXP | justdust: that query is obfuscated because it includes the blank tile in the letter set |
| 00:22.57 | FieldySnuts | nope, don't care either |
| 00:22.58 | vipersniper | is there a good howto on setting up iptables firewall under debian |
| 00:23.01 | napster | shingouz: but i see 7 on the mirrors. which ones contain the packages ? |
| 00:23.05 | SlayerXP | justin: that query is obfuscated because it includes the blank tile in the letter set |
| 00:23.07 | SlayerXP | arrrgh |
| 00:23.12 | Phated | napster: All of them contain packages. |
| 00:23.20 | abrotman | vipersniper: netfilter.org |
| 00:23.21 | shingouz | what was the netinstall factoind again? |
| 00:23.34 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 00:23.35 | dpkg | i guess netinst is a small cd or set of floppy images which install the base Debian system. For woody, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ for boot floppies see http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/ and subdirs; for sarge see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/, or see dialup install |
| 00:23.39 | napster | Phated: none of them is just full of sources ? |
| 00:23.39 | abrotman | or |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:23.40 | dpkg | i guess d-i is the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 00:23.41 | shingouz | ty abrotman |
| 00:23.41 | dondelelcaro | !stawlker cafuego |
| 00:23.41 | SlayerXP | justin: see http://www.hinterlands.org/guessme2.txt for the same query, but without a blank involved. |
| 00:23.42 | dpkg | cafuego: OMG! SOME GUY CALLED MARK HAS HACKED MY KERNEL!!! HELP!!! |
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| 00:23.48 | Phated | napster: Er, no. |
| 00:24.17 | shingouz | napster: there you go, all the info you asked for :) |
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| 00:24.49 | justin | SlayerXP: thats an interesting way to do that heh |
| 00:24.56 | xsan | can someone help me get powernow to work? |
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| 00:24.59 | SlayerXP | justin: the query for two blank tiles is even hairier :) |
| 00:25.11 | The_Ultimate_Sam | what is the comandline comand to burn a cd |
| 00:25.18 | The_Ultimate_Sam | is it like createcd? |
| 00:25.19 | SlayerXP | The_Ultimate_Sam: man cdrecord |
| 00:25.25 | xsan | when I start powernowd i get this message: powernowd: PowerNow Daemon v0.90, (c) 2003-2004 John Clemens |
| 00:25.25 | xsan | powernowd: Settings: |
| 00:25.25 | xsan | powernowd: verbosity: 3 |
| 00:25.25 | xsan | powernowd: mode: 1 (AGGRESSIVE) |
| 00:25.25 | xsan | powernowd: step: 100 MHz (100000 kHz) |
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| 00:25.26 | The_Ultimate_Sam | danke |
| 00:25.33 | ncterval | I'm getting "in the prefix, you've chosen, are no KDE headers installed. This will fail." from a configure script, I assume I need the KDE headers. What package are they in? |
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| 00:26.25 | dondelelcaro | xsan: please don't paste here. |
| 00:26.29 | xsan | sorry |
| 00:26.34 | abrotman | xsan: read the topic |
| 00:26.35 | SlayerXP | justin: a chap called Dave Cridland and I put this together, it's by far the sneakiest bit of design orientated sql I've ever done |
| 00:27.00 | nvz | abrotman: /topic ;) some people could be ignorant to irc |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | blame dave! |
| 00:27.05 | justdust | my mouse is a little knob between v and b keys, witch mod could support that ? |
| 00:27.17 | abrotman | nvz: most clients display it when youenter .. he had just entered |
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| 00:27.36 | napster | i can't find a listing of the 7 cd's contents |
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| 00:27.44 | nvz | abrotman: yeah.. chatzilla from the latest mozilla suite shows it really large above the channel.. its nice |
| 00:27.47 | shingouz | justdust: that is a ps/2 mouse |
| 00:27.52 | justin | SlayerXP: heh, I wrote a cryptoquote solver that generated regular expressions to find matchign words, was quite ugly |
| 00:27.55 | abrotman | nvz: really? |
| 00:27.59 | nvz | abrotman: irssi just shows whatever will fit on one console row |
| 00:28.01 | FieldySnuts | @annoy me |
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| 00:28.05 | ravenbird | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
| 00:28.11 | justin | SlayerXP: well actually, the code was pretty simple, the generated expressions were nasty |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | nvz: no .. mine doesn't |
| 00:28.36 | BruceR | hello |
| 00:28.43 | nvz | abrotman: well you configured it not to, or didnt use the irssi-text package |
| 00:28.50 | xsan | can someone please tell me what a sysfs is? |
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| 00:29.16 | nvz | abrotman: irssi-text in debian's default config always shows one line of the /topic at the top |
| 00:29.22 | abrotman | nvz: i didn't config anything .. and it is irrsi-text |
| 00:29.26 | abrotman_ | 5~5~5~ |
| 00:29.38 | Phated | What nvz said. |
| 00:29.41 | abrotman | nope |
| 00:29.46 | abrotman | it's normal |
| 00:29.48 | abrotman | maybe it |
| 00:29.53 | abrotman | maybe it's term dependant? |
| 00:30.07 | Phated | Howso? |
| 00:30.11 | nvz | abrotman: doubt it. |
| 00:30.16 | ivanfrey | nvz: Here in X-Chat Aqua I can read up Sarge Base+ |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | damned if i know .. i just joined with irssi-text .. and it came up normal |
| 00:30.27 | abrotman | and i haven't configed anythinga bout it |
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| 00:30.30 | BruceR | I can't startx anymore, yesterday i had to recompile the kernel and what not to install some graphics drivers. then i edited XF86config-4, then I ctrl-backspace and tried to startx to restart the x server so the changes would take place, and now i can't log into X at all. |
| 00:30.33 | nvz | abrotman: irssi's first line is /topic. last line is text entry, and 2nd to last is status. |
| 00:30.35 | BruceR | any help? |
| 00:30.46 | abrotman | nvz: i meant when you join |
| 00:30.47 | Phated | abrotman: Wait, when you join, it shows everything, no? But after it scrolls off? |
| 00:30.58 | abrotman | Phated: yes . but the guy had just joined |
| 00:30.59 | Phated | Heh, talk about not being on the same page. |
| 00:31.03 | justdust | after installinhow long does apt-cache search x take ? |
| 00:31.06 | nvz | abrotman: yeah.. well I am talking about clients and how they display it constantly |
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| 00:31.13 | Phated | abrotman: The nicks scroll by quite fast, mind you. |
| 00:31.19 | justin | !tell brucer about X problem |
| 00:31.25 | abrotman | yeah .. xchat shows it .. but in a text box |
| 00:31.27 | nvz | abrotman: chatzilla always shows the whole topic in a colored cell above the chat |
| 00:31.38 | The_Ultimate_Sam | can i use cdrecord to burn an image? |
| 00:31.39 | abrotman | i can't tell you how many times i've tried to change the #debian topic :) |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | The_Ultimate_Sam: yes |
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| 00:31.53 | shingouz | justdust: how many angels can dance on a point of a needle? |
| 00:32.00 | The_Ultimate_Sam | iv been looking at the man and i cant see the option for it |
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| 00:32.25 | VivekVC | I just removed lilo using apt-get --purge remove lilo and intalled |
| 00:32.26 | VivekVC | *** grub using apt-get install grub, how do i configure grub now? |
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| 00:32.36 | The_Ultimate_Sam | how do i do it |
| 00:32.41 | VivekVC | intalled=installed* |
| 00:32.42 | abrotman | VivekVC: read the docs |
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| 00:33.15 | VivekVC | abrotman: Where can i find the docs |
| 00:33.19 | abrotman | !grub |
| 00:33.19 | dpkg | somebody said grub was [grub] Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler. |
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| 00:33.33 | RememberPOL | Hello, my X server is giving me "caught signal 4. server aborting" using an old HP pavilion... the card uses the intel i810 driver but i have it set to vesa (i810 doesnt work heh)...it shows KDE for one minute then exists with that error msg, any ideas? |
| 00:33.45 | nvz | heh |
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| 00:33.58 | shingouz | The_Ultimate_Sam: theres the cd-burning-howto, theres a bit more info on cdrecird |
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| 00:34.04 | pzin | how many triggers do you have on that bot |
| 00:34.07 | nvz | stoned: lost your shadow |
| 00:34.14 | justin | dpkg: stats |
| 00:34.15 | dpkg | Since Thu Nov 4 20:19:10 2004, there have been 497 modifications, 17529 questions, 4014 dunnos, 77 morons and 5875 commands. I have been awake for 32d 4h 15m 5s this session, and currently reference 24804 factoids. I'm using about 17968 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 7984.89/324.78 child 5625.44/471.98 |
| 00:34.18 | npx | If I burn a .img file intended for a floppy to a CD, will it boot? I ask because i have one CD-R left, and my floppy drive doesn't work =/ |
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| 00:34.32 | pzin | real nice :) |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | npx: so burn a real cd image |
| 00:34.41 | stoned | dude, i try to run the zsnes package it start to load the rom and then my monitor shuts off and pc freezes up, keybourd mouse nothing responds |
| 00:34.55 | abrotman | sTone_heAd: don't do that |
| 00:34.58 | abrotman | err stoned |
| 00:35.03 | npx | abrotman, the floppy image won't work? |
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| 00:35.05 | sTone_heAd | heh |
| 00:35.06 | stoned | im like wtf, and then i reboot and all my stuff comes on again and xchat starts up like 3 coies |
| 00:35.08 | stoned | copies* |
| 00:35.10 | SlayerXP | justin: we solved the problem by precalculating where most of the lookups would be done and building a sql index to do that quickly. 1.79 million rows across 26 tables. |
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| 00:35.19 | Phated | npx: If you can burn a CD... burn a .iso instead of a .img? |
| 00:35.29 | dvs | stoned: Stop saving your setup |
| 00:35.29 | nvz | stoned: try snes9x |
| 00:35.40 | thorie | anyone here like knoppix better than debian? |
| 00:35.44 | abrotman | no |
| 00:35.44 | npx | Phated, see the thing is I'm on a dial-up and the smallest image I can find is 44mb |
| 00:35.47 | abrotman | this is #debian |
| 00:35.50 | ivanfrey | nvz: I can cursor within the text box to see to whole topic. I wonder if there is a preference setting within X-Chat Aqua (Mac OS X) to see the whole shebang. |
| 00:35.52 | nvz | stoned: I think zsnes is the one I used though.. I dont remember.. just know I use dgen and fceu. |
| 00:35.52 | npx | and I'd sorta like to use my linux install tonight =P |
| 00:35.53 | justdust | after just installing xserver and xfonts, what exactly can you do ? |
| 00:35.53 | thorie | ok |
| 00:35.56 | Phated | npx: OK, so download that...? |
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| 00:36.23 | scarynetworkguy | npx: http:/www.cheapbytes.com |
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| 00:36.29 | nvz | ivanfrey: no idea never seen X-Chat. theres really no point to check it out, I got irssi |
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| 00:36.32 | npx | I will if it's impossible to burn a bootable floppy image onto a CD |
| 00:36.38 | pixelmonkey | does anyone know where to get Mono packages which are more up to date than unstable... I see alioth but it seems broken |
| 00:36.41 | abrotman | npx: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:37.23 | cafuego | npx: Withe 44Mb iso you'll still be downloading packages all night and all of tomorrow anyway if you're on dialup. |
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| 00:37.40 | nvz | pixelmonkey: anything more up-to-date-that-unstable means not in debian and thus off-topic.. especially when its something for programming Microsoft .NET shit |
| 00:37.41 | Uwe | Hello. |
| 00:37.44 | justin | it's not impossible, just a waste of a cd |
| 00:37.46 | npx | cafuego, No, I'm doing this so I can boot a broken installation |
| 00:37.58 | Uwe | How do I add something to LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 00:37.58 | ivanfrey | nvz: I was just thinking aloud. ;-) |
| 00:38.05 | cafuego | npx: How is it broken? |
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| 00:38.07 | nvz | pixelmonkey: I'd recommend trying somewhere you might actually get help.. I.E. where people use it |
| 00:38.07 | npx | justin thank you |
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| 00:38.25 | npx | cafuego, The 2.6.9-2-k7 bug where the /initrd.img symlink gets killed |
| 00:38.26 | |C|Rick | hello |
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| 00:38.36 | WiFiTux | How can I reinstall the DNS client services? I'm loosing the DNS by any odd reasson, I can ping the netework, can't ping a network. and /etc/resolv.conf is fine |
| 00:38.42 | pixelmonkey | nvz: Eh, okay. Considering it's DEBIAN packages, I figured it's on topic. |
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| 00:38.54 | cafuego | npx: Ok, so you should be fine with 3 or 4 floppy images? |
| 00:39.01 | nvz | pixelmonkey: no, you specifically asked for something NOT IN DEBIAN |
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| 00:39.07 | npx | Yeah I *would* be if my floppy drive started workign! |
| 00:39.10 | nvz | pixelmonkey: saying debian packages were too old |
| 00:39.11 | Phated | cafuego: npx doesn't have a working floppy drive, I belive. |
| 00:39.15 | cafuego | <heh> |
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| 00:39.19 | pixelmonkey | nvz: not in debian the distribution, but using the deb package format |
| 00:39.26 | npx | I've only used the damn thing like twice |
| 00:39.28 | thorie | WiFiTux: i had that problem before... did you already check to see if you're getting a lot of error packets? I eventually replaced my router |
| 00:39.33 | pixelmonkey | nvz: i didn't say debian is too old, Mono development is happening as we speak, so they could never be new enough |
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| 00:39.45 | npx | and then there's the little problem of needing something that supports xfs! |
| 00:39.46 | nvz | pixelmonkey: apt-get.org is the page for unoffical repository searches |
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| 00:39.49 | pixelmonkey | nvz: just that I figure some developers might have an unofficial repostiory somwehere |
| 00:39.57 | nvz | pixelmonkey: thats about the best we could do |
| 00:40.00 | shingouz | npx: how about breaking out the isopropanol and cleaning the heads on the floppy, seems to help on ancient hardware |
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| 00:40.10 | abrotman | pixelmonkey: you might get a better response at #mono on irc.gnome.org |
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| 00:40.18 | nvz | pixelmonkey: this is a group of users.. if you want to find some mono developers you are in the wrong place |
| 00:40.20 | WiFiTux | thorie, error:0 |
| 00:40.20 | rickk | does debian come with a CVS repository software |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | !info mono experimental |
| 00:40.21 | cafuego | npx: Well, there are 2.4-xfs boot floppy images... can you steal a floppy drive from somewhere? |
| 00:40.22 | pixelmonkey | abrotman, that's where I'm heading |
| 00:40.27 | thorie | okay |
| 00:40.31 | pixelmonkey | nvz: users are often developers too |
| 00:40.35 | pixelmonkey | nvz: sigh, hopeless |
| 00:40.41 | npx | cafuego, if I could, I would have |
| 00:40.43 | dondelelcaro | rickk: yes, it's called cvs. |
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| 00:40.57 | netc0de | hi guys! |
| 00:41.00 | nvz | pixelmonkey: I really dont think many #debian people are mono developers is what I am telling you from like 3 years being here |
| 00:41.10 | dondelelcaro | rickk: although you'll probably be happier with svn or tla or arch... |
| 00:41.13 | rickk | thanks |
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| 00:41.18 | abrotman | tla is arch no? |
| 00:41.22 | thorie | rickk: look into svn too |
| 00:41.23 | netc0de | i'm trying to downgrade a debian package with the command dpkg --force-downgrade package |
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| 00:41.28 | dsg68818 | Hi |
| 00:41.33 | dsg68818 | I have a question |
| 00:41.36 | pixelmonkey | nvz: that might have something to do with you scaring Mono developers away, if this is the response I get coming in here ;) |
| 00:41.40 | netc0de | but it's not working... whats the matter? |
| 00:41.42 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: yes, it is... |
| 00:41.47 | abrotman | ok |
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| 00:41.47 | nvz | pixelmonkey: heh, I doubt it |
| 00:41.53 | abrotman | dsg68818: ask already |
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| 00:42.01 | cafuego | dsg68818: Are you going to ask the question or should we guess? |
| 00:42.11 | dsg68818 | I have 2 audio cards on my PC |
| 00:42.17 | rickk | ok |
| 00:42.17 | rickk | will it allow password protection of code |
| 00:42.30 | abrotman | that's not a question |
| 00:42.33 | dondelelcaro | rickk: uh, they all do. |
| 00:42.36 | npx | 44mb iso it is then |
| 00:42.39 | dsg68818 | By default it selects one of them |
| 00:42.42 | Covener | dsg68818: and how many enter keys? |
| 00:42.46 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 00:42.46 | dpkg | somebody said d-i was the new installer for sarge (debian 3.1), at http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ or see #debian-boot, but don't pester the d-i devs with unrelated questions |
| 00:42.49 | abrotman | npx: use that |
| 00:42.56 | abrotman | unless oyu're on dialup i guess |
| 00:42.56 | ivanfrey | dondelecaro: tla and arch are the same aren't they? |
| 00:42.57 | dsg68818 | how can I change to use the other by default |
| 00:42.58 | shingouz | Covener: ouch :) |
| 00:42.59 | dsg68818 | ? |
| 00:42.59 | nvz | pixelmonkey: I have been in here 3 years nearly constantly, and have only seen a discussion about mono once before |
| 00:43.18 | cafuego | dsg68818: Add their respective driver modules to /etc/modules in the order you'd like to have them loaded. |
| 00:43.22 | npx | abrotman I am on dial-up (and the 44mb iso is a netinst d-i iso with xfs support) |
| 00:43.30 | dondelelcaro | ivanfrey: pretty much, yes. tla is an implementation of arch. |
| 00:43.33 | netc0de | dpkg, can u help me to downgrade a debian testing package to a debian stable package on woody?? |
| 00:43.34 | pixelmonkey | nvz: Mono is producing user applications (Muine, F-Spot, Beagle), so you'll probably see more questions soon. |
| 00:43.35 | dpkg | netc0de: You are moron #78 |
| 00:43.37 | dsg68818 | ok |
| 00:43.40 | dsg68818 | thanks |
| 00:43.43 | rickk | if i set it up in that manner |
| 00:43.43 | rickk | well some i have seen don't but thanks |
| 00:43.52 | pixelmonkey | nvz: past three years don't serve as good predictor, IMO |
| 00:43.52 | npx | Thanks for the help guys and gals |
| 00:43.59 | nvz | pixelmonkey: oh boy, cant wait. |
| 00:44.00 | badblody | how can i change the lc_all in eterm configuration? |
| 00:44.19 | nvz | pixelmonkey: what you dont seem to understand is what you see and what you get are often two different things |
| 00:44.21 | pixelmonkey | nvz: out of curiosity (hope I don't fan a flame), why do you hate Mono so much? |
| 00:44.22 | netc0de | dpkg, noron #78? |
| 00:44.24 | dpkg | netc0de: no idea |
| 00:44.27 | abrotman | !bobbitt |
| 00:44.27 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install unstable software on your stable woody system, you get the same result. |
| 00:44.34 | abrotman | dpkg: what are you |
| 00:44.34 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 00:44.38 | netc0de | oh my... |
| 00:44.41 | nvz | pixelmonkey: although I may see the questions, doesnt mean people like me who have been using debian for years, and provide the answers will be answering them |
| 00:44.55 | npx | I think it'd be wicked if all windows apps ran on linux (in a sandbox) |
| 00:45.01 | netc0de | i want a command like rpm -Uvh --oldpackage package |
| 00:45.03 | nvz | pixelmonkey: I dont hate it, I dont know shit about it.. thats the point.. you cant ask questions where people dont know shit about it |
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| 00:45.11 | netc0de | i wanna just downgrade a package |
| 00:45.12 | npx | if Mono takes us any closer to that, I'm all about it |
| 00:45.12 | netc0de | :/ |
| 00:45.14 | nvz | pixelmonkey: you have to ask where there are knowlagable people |
| 00:45.17 | justdust | xdm rules |
| 00:45.18 | dondelelcaro | netc0de: so just dpkg -i foopkg.deb |
| 00:45.22 | Phated | dondelelcaro: He's done it too many times. See? I'm even calling him a he! :) |
| 00:45.23 | directhex | dondelelcaro, but he fails against searle's chinese room argument |
| 00:45.27 | SlayerXP | netc0de: okay, you have our permission to possess one. |
| 00:45.27 | netc0de | dondelelcaro.... |
| 00:45.33 | dsg68818 | hi cafuego |
| 00:45.42 | dsg68818 | I tried to find this directory |
| 00:45.44 | pixelmonkey | npx: that's not the ultimate goal of Mono, I don't think. Unless the Windows apps you are talking about are developed under Mono for Windows. |
| 00:45.46 | dsg68818 | but I can't |
| 00:45.46 | netc0de | i've update some package in my debian woody to testing.. |
| 00:45.54 | Uwe | How do I find out my internet connexion speed? |
| 00:45.59 | npx | pixelmonkey, I realize that |
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| 00:46.01 | netc0de | and it updated some dep package.. |
| 00:46.04 | jaggy | re |
| 00:46.13 | Phated | And broke your system, you idiot. |
| 00:46.14 | pixelmonkey | nvz: I agree, GIMPNet shoulda been my first stop |
| 00:46.17 | npx | pixelmonkey, but a full-featured C# dev environment is a big step in that direction |
| 00:46.18 | netc0de | now I wanna downgrade that updated dep package |
| 00:46.30 | netc0de | dondelelcaro, understood? |
| 00:46.32 | dsg68818 | could you help me on that? |
| 00:46.34 | dondelelcaro | netc0de: dowgrading packages is not supported. |
| 00:46.43 | directhex | pixelmonkey, mono 2.0 is due to run windows.forms, allowing it to run any basic apps compiled with the windows .net framework compilers |
| 00:46.44 | pixelmonkey | npx: 'course... truthfully I'm more of a C person, but I just like the ideas behind some Mono apps... |
| 00:46.47 | dondelelcaro | netc0de: you're better off just completing the upgrade to testing proper. |
| 00:46.49 | RememberPOL | how do i print information about my video card? (Xfree86 crashes with: "Caught signal 4") |
| 00:46.53 | dondelelcaro | !downgrade |
| 00:46.54 | dpkg | i heard downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later. If you find you want to try going from unstable/testing => stable, then read http://www.debianplanet.org/node.php?id=880 or The Debian Reference Section 6.2.7, or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/downgrade.html |
| 00:47.04 | netc0de | dondelelcaro, hum... |
| 00:47.04 | Covener | RememberPOL: lspci? |
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| 00:47.08 | thorie | Uwe: there are theoretical limits, real limits, and there are also averge connection speeds dependent on the other system you're communicating with and all the internet hardware in between |
| 00:47.14 | npx | I use Python mostly |
| 00:47.17 | pixelmonkey | directhex, emphasis on basic I think :) but yes. |
| 00:47.18 | RememberPOL | Covenerthat's the one thanks |
| 00:47.20 | netc0de | dondelelcaro, and how about dpkg --force-downgrade feature? |
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| 00:47.27 | netc0de | its not working properly yet? |
| 00:47.27 | pixelmonkey | heh |
| 00:47.28 | mikeeusa | lolz |
| 00:47.35 | jaggy | what X driver do I need for getting my synaptics touchpad's tapping to work again? |
| 00:47.36 | mikeeusa | rtfmz |
| 00:47.40 | mikeeusa | lolzrz |
| 00:47.42 | pixelmonkey | jaggy: synaptics |
| 00:47.44 | abrotman | mikeeusa: shut up |
| 00:47.45 | jaggy | it stopped working after I installed packages and configured X |
| 00:47.49 | pixelmonkey | jaggy: 0.13 is the latest I think |
| 00:47.55 | npx | mikeeusa stfuz0rs ugotsrvd |
| 00:47.56 | Uwe | thorie: how do I find out the theoretical speed? |
| 00:47.57 | mikeeusa | i hate feminists |
| 00:47.59 | dondelelcaro | netc0de: that's always on by default. |
| 00:48.02 | mikeeusa | they sux0rz |
| 00:48.03 | SlayerXP | netc0de: just resotre your system to the backup you made prior to the upgrade |
| 00:48.05 | nvz | pixelmonkey: thats all I was trying to tell you, is you arent in the right place. I know the people who sit around here and answer questions and what their areas of interest are |
| 00:48.06 | SlayerXP | restore |
| 00:48.13 | abrotman | mikeeusa: gonna talk about debian? |
| 00:48.15 | dondelelcaro | netc0de: but then, you would have known that if you had read man dpkg; |
| 00:48.23 | mikeeusa | debian rox0rz |
| 00:48.30 | thorie | Uwe: ifconfig should show you your link speed |
| 00:48.32 | SlayerXP | deiban sucks, imo |
| 00:48.35 | mikeeusa | i use it on alm0st all my b0xenz! |
| 00:48.35 | SlayerXP | err |
| 00:48.39 | SlayerXP | debian sucks, imo |
| 00:48.42 | pixelmonkey | jaggy: hold on, I'll find the URL (tho I have the tarball right here...) |
| 00:48.44 | netc0de | SlayerXP, o don't make a backup.. |
| 00:48.45 | mikeeusa | SlayerXP, Fu ph4g |
| 00:48.45 | npx | hahaha |
| 00:48.46 | jaggy | pixel, there's another aspect to this.. I installed a bunch of packages (was at a "base install" state prior to that), then ran X without rebooting and the touchpad worked. After rebooting it doesn't work |
| 00:48.49 | cafuego | !ops |
| 00:48.50 | dpkg | Meet your friendly #debian operators: bdale, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk. Or: This is the Emergency Debian Hologram please state the nature of your #debian emergency. |
| 00:48.52 | abrotman | just kill him now |
| 00:48.52 | netc0de | SlayerXP, what backup? |
| 00:48.58 | abrotman | dondelelcaro was just here |
| 00:49.03 | npx | Hmm. |
| 00:49.07 | Rez | huh, wha? |
| 00:49.10 | cafuego | SlayerXP is trolling and mikeeusa is being an idiot. |
| 00:49.11 | thorie | Uwe: if it's an ethernet card, its probably something like 10BT or 100BT |
| 00:49.12 | jaggy | I do have the URL and the tar.gz for the driver I found online.. just wondering if I need it being that it worked prior to rebooting, without installing this driver from the web |
| 00:49.13 | abrotman | Rez: mikeeusa |
| 00:49.13 | pixelmonkey | jaggy, I think this is it: http://web.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/files/ |
| 00:49.14 | Phated | Rez: mikeeusa |
| 00:49.15 | mikeeusa | why does SlayerXP hate deb? |
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| 00:49.22 | SlayerXP | netc0de: the one you made before any potentially data-destroying upgrade, like this one |
| 00:49.36 | cafuego | Can we have them both neutered to avoid this in future generations? |
| 00:49.38 | Uwe | thorie: ifconfig says command not found. |
| 00:49.48 | dondelelcaro | Uwe: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 00:49.49 | Covener | mikeeusa: He's making fun of you for acting like a 12 y/o AOL'er :( |
| 00:49.49 | netc0de | SlayerXP, this is a debian own backup style? |
| 00:49.49 | mikeeusa | l0lz ima outz yo, and women's rights must die |
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| 00:49.53 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@ool-18be3a49.dyn.optonline.net] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:49.53 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 00:49.56 | *** mode/#debian [+q *!*@ool-18be3a49.dyn.optonline.net] by Rez |
| 00:49.56 | netc0de | SlayerXP, or a general backup? |
| 00:50.00 | nvz | pixelmonkey: programming is usually not good questions for a distro users group.. but in #debian you have a large ammount of perl and shell hackers of course cause debian revolves around it.. so you could get away with certain languages.. however debian would be debian just the same without mono.. I will bet 99.9% of the people not only arent knowlagable but are just as ignorant to its very existance as I am |
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| 00:50.28 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*r00t@*] by dondelelcaro |
| 00:50.29 | SlayerXP | netc0de: there's no debian-specific definition of the word "backup" |
| 00:50.30 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
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| 00:50.41 | SlayerXP | cafuego: trolling? me? I'm hurt. |
| 00:50.52 | cafuego | SlayerXP: iwntb |
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| 00:50.59 | netc0de | SlayerXP, imagine, restore a backup coz i cant downgrade a package? |
| 00:51.01 | SlayerXP | !iwntb |
| 00:51.04 | Phated | SlayerXP: Yes there is. backup (n): the things that prevent you from being made an idiot. :) |
| 00:51.06 | Uwe | dondelelcaro, thorie: it should a lot of info scrolling down. How do I read it? |
| 00:51.09 | netc0de | it's not much useful... |
| 00:51.16 | npx | I think having a ton of windows-only developers writing software with a language/IDE that's supported by FreeBSD (macosx by extension)/linux would kick ass |
| 00:51.17 | netc0de | i don't know... |
| 00:51.29 | SlayerXP | cafuego: please expand your FLA |
| 00:51.39 | cafuego | npx: Yopu don't think they'd pump out low-quality non-free software? |
| 00:51.41 | thorie | Uwe: try ifconfig | less |
| 00:51.43 | cafuego | !wnbt |
| 00:51.43 | dpkg | wnbt is, like, Will Not Be Trolled |
| 00:51.44 | Phated | Why the heck would you even try to upgrade anything on woody to sarge or sid? |
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| 00:51.49 | SlayerXP | ahh right |
| 00:52.04 | SlayerXP | spoilsport |
| 00:52.09 | Uwe | thorie: which part of it is the speed? |
| 00:52.16 | npx | cafuego, Oh, I do, but I'd be able to select from a larger pool of software (some of which would inevitably be decent) and run all that poorly written code in a sandbox |
| 00:52.20 | Covener | Uh oh, now it's On. |
| 00:52.23 | dondelelcaro | netc0de: read /topic, and refrain from /msg'ing me. |
| 00:52.30 | cafuego | SlayerXP: I'm going to the next olympics, representing holland in spoilsport (with sussusdio) |
| 00:52.39 | pixelmonkey | nvz: okay, well, I'm a shell scripting, C programming kinda guy who is trying to _use_ C# apps and dev tools under Linux, for fun and educational purposes... maybe I'm too young as a Debian user! (maybe that's why all my friends use Gentoo ;-)) |
| 00:52.47 | WiFiTux | How can I reinstall the DNS client services? I'm loosing the DNS by any odd reasson, I can ping the netework, can't ping a network. and /etc/resolv.conf is fine |
| 00:52.57 | thorie | Uwe: I forgot, it's been a while |
| 00:52.58 | abrotman | losing |
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| 00:53.06 | Uwe | thorie: it just shows up addresses and stuff. |
| 00:53.08 | abrotman | !find nslookup |
| 00:53.09 | thorie | Uwe: check the instructions for ifconfig, type man ifconfig |
| 00:53.15 | cafuego | dnsutils |
| 00:53.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'nslookup' (7 shown; 11 total): (/usr/bin/nslookup) in net/dnsutils ;; (/usr/bin/ptknslookup) in net/ptknettools ;; (/usr/share/scrollz/help/nslookup) in net/scrollz ;; (/usr/share/kaptain/nslookup.kaptn) in utils/kaptain ;; (/usr/lib/bitchx/help/1_General/nslookup.bz2) in net/bitchx ;; (/usr/share/kvirc/help/en/nslookup.kvihelp) in doc/kvirc-doc ;; (/usr/share/procmail-lib/pm-janslookup.rc) in mail/procmail-lib. |
| 00:53.24 | cafuego | dpkg: you slow |
| 00:53.24 | dpkg | cafuego: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:53.32 | pixelmonkey | nvz: anyway I don't see why generalizations about debian users should govern whether you think this or that question is relevant. |
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