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| 00:00.06 | HenryV | i have a 3ware 9500S SATA raid card, and would like to send email messages anytime there is a kernel log addition from the card. (from 3w_9xxx module). anyway to do this? |
| 00:00.13 | scarynetworkguy | Randy: just ask |
| 00:00.14 | Drevay | (i found the keys in gconf-editor system > gstreamer > audio) |
| 00:00.33 | Randy | anyone want to be paid for some simple IP routing? |
| 00:00.49 | sussudio | !what does Randy pay you for |
| 00:00.50 | dpkg | sometimes Randy begs for genital shaving, sussudio, but I'm open to suggestions! |
| 00:01.28 | mirak | sussudio if you have a 5.1 sound card, and know a usable mixer I am interested |
| 00:01.51 | directhex | HenryV, that sounds like more of an snmp thing than anything else |
| 00:01.53 | Randy | I dont believe such nonsense! |
| 00:02.09 | scarynetworkguy | HenryV: many |
| 00:02.21 | SlimeyPete | you can get 5.1 headphones ;) |
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| 00:02.26 | SlimeyPete | they're expensive though |
| 00:02.27 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: it's 1337 |
| 00:02.28 | DonkeyHote | on the sarge net-install floppies, do your hard drives have to be "partitionless" for them to be seen? |
| 00:02.39 | DonkeyHote | (or at least have some free unallocated space) |
| 00:02.58 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: i do have sennheiser headphones. |
| 00:03.16 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: those are pretty fucking 1337 :D |
| 00:03.26 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: HD580 precision |
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| 00:03.29 | scarynetworkguy | headphones |
| 00:03.30 | tty1_ | can someone help me.. i googled my arse off and i cant figure out what the siblings line in /proc/cpuinfo is about with any detail (it seems related to hyperthreading thou). if i can figure this out i may be able to figure out a problem ive been having for a while.. any help is greatly appreciated |
| 00:03.35 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: I hate you :P |
| 00:03.39 | streuner | HenryV: just an idea, grep the log and use an cronjob to email it? |
| 00:03.43 | Drevay | i have a nice pair of Jenson headphones, only 30 bucks and they sound great |
| 00:03.45 | tty1_ | can someone help me.. i googled my arse off and i cant figure out what the siblings line in /proc/cpuinfo is about with any detail (it seems related to hyperthreading thou). if i can figure this out i may be able to figure out a problem ive been having for a while.. any help is greatly appreciated |
| 00:03.55 | HenryV | streuner: i suppose so, not a bad idea |
| 00:04.19 | HenryV | directhex, snmp? i just need the info to pop up in my mailbox anytime there's a problem with the raid card |
| 00:04.29 | sussudio | "Overall, the Sennheiser HD580s perform superbly, and produce absolutely beautiful, balanced, and spatial sound." |
| 00:04.31 | HenryV | (like the need to swap disks, etc) |
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| 00:05.09 | klys | randy: route -n |
| 00:05.09 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite Randy |
| 00:05.10 | sussudio | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/tty1 |
| 00:05.25 | thomas_adam | sussudio: scarynetworkguy: abrotman: http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_os.shtml |
| 00:06.27 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nice* |
| 00:06.46 | sussudio | thomas_adam: i get crap like that with my ISP's "helpdesk". HDork: "what version of windows do you run?" Me: "Debian Linux" HDork: "is that 98 or XP?" |
| 00:07.00 | thomas_adam | sussudio: Heh. |
| 00:07.07 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: Yeah. |
| 00:07.13 | sussudio | thomas_adam: i'm not even joking. |
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| 00:07.33 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nods* reminds me of my days as a helldesk dweeb at an ISP |
| 00:07.58 | klys | klys is at work, internet tech support |
| 00:08.41 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: then there was the time the ISP told me to reinstall my tcp/ip stack :D |
| 00:09.28 | thomas_adam | "Oh no, Word wouldn't work for very long if I did that, I would run out of blank pages." "Because it cleans the words off the pages, then sends the blank sheets back to Word so they can be used again. That's why it's called the recycle bin." |
| 00:09.29 | scarynetworkguy | klys: yeah you do it all the time. But when you know they are running Debian? |
| 00:09.47 | klys | when they say they're eunning linux, of course |
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| 00:10.02 | klys | sp |
| 00:10.13 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: have you seen this http://chroniclesofgeorge.nanc.com/ |
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| 00:11.37 | thomas_adam | scarynetworkguy: "havenening". |
| 00:11.38 | intrin | I was calling to sign up with a new DSL provider. When the guy asked what operating system I was using, I said, "Linux." I was put on hold for five minutes, and then a supervisor came back and told me, "You can't use Linux to connect to the Internet. It's a hacker tool, anyway." I almost fell out of my chair. |
| 00:11.39 | intrin | lol |
| 00:11.57 | nevyn | serious? |
| 00:12.12 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: *nod* I expected that you had |
| 00:12.14 | intrin | thats in that log http://www.rinkworks.com/stupid/cs_os.shtml |
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| 00:12.56 | nevyn | intrin: I'll go one better... the Liberal How to Vote flunky told me that not using a howtovote card was "devaluing my vote" |
| 00:12.57 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: from my ISP days. "Do you have Windows?" "I have a couple in this room." |
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| 00:13.15 | tty1 | can someone help me.. i googled my arse off and i cant figure out what the siblings line in /proc/cpuinfo is about with any detail (it seems related to hyperthreading thou). if i can figure this out i may be able to figure out a problem ive been having for a while.. any help is greatly appreciated |
| 00:13.21 | DonkeyHote | is there a command I can issue from the terminal to "wake up" my hard drives during a sarge install? I think they're falling asleep and not getting detected. |
| 00:13.28 | montag2k | Hi there... I'm having a problem with my virtual consoles: The text does not scroll past a single screen, and the cursor doesn't move from the upper left corner. Have you seen this before? |
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| 00:13.48 | yazid | montag2k: buggy framebuffer console |
| 00:14.08 | yazid | montag2k: or some program that messed up the terminal settings. try "reset" |
| 00:14.20 | klys | DonkeyHote: sync ? |
| 00:14.31 | montag2k | yazid: anything specific I should look at? It has done it for as long as I've had debian. |
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| 00:14.56 | DonkeyHote | klys: its right when it tries to detect the hard drives, it says no partitionable media found |
| 00:15.13 | yazid | montag2k: i'm the wrong person to ask about fbcons problems (and i suspect this is one) |
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| 00:15.25 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/timmy3.jpg < holy crap! killer timmah hampsters! |
| 00:15.43 | tigger | DonkeyHote: do you have SATA hard drives? you probably want to type linux26 at the d-i boot prompt as by default a 2.4 kernel ill be laoded that cant do SATA on a lot of cards |
| 00:15.43 | DonkeyHote | klys: but when I put in my woody install disks, or a DOS startup disk, it sees the drives just fine. |
| 00:15.45 | klys | DonkeyHote: can you even boot? or fdisk the device? |
| 00:15.59 | DonkeyHote | tigger: no sata |
| 00:16.07 | yazid | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.20 | DonkeyHote | klys: I can from woody install disks, and from DOS bootdisks, but not from sarge |
| 00:16.24 | The_Vulture | sussudio: 'nutter :) |
| 00:16.26 | Kraig | i have support in my kernel for DMA, also in the BIOS i saw an option for that, ad it's enabled also, but i can't set dma to 1 in any HDD, is there something else i need to do/check? |
| 00:16.29 | montag2k | thanks yazid, I'll do some more homework |
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| 00:16.38 | klys | DonkeyHote: does sarge mount root? |
| 00:16.49 | The_Vulture | "Hamster mauls lion in freak case of rodent fightback" |
| 00:16.59 | DonkeyHote | mount root? as in the root floppy? I think so. |
| 00:17.46 | klys | DonkeyHote: after not detecting the drives at boot, did you try fdisk? |
| 00:17.48 | DonkeyHote | I don't have any system installed that can burn a cd otherwise I'd try the cd. |
| 00:17.52 | yazid | mount, get root handy, plug some holes... now that sounds more than un-pc ;) |
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| 00:18.35 | DonkeyHote | klys: just tried it - unable to open /dev/hdb (or /dev/hda) |
| 00:18.59 | klys | DonkeyHote: look through the kernel docs for ide commandline options... |
| 00:19.23 | Azar | DonkeyHote read this: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices |
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| 00:20.13 | Azar | however, I assume that for a burning CD session you would need a program |
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| 00:20.32 | Muskie | mlrarg! |
| 00:20.38 | Muskie | Yay! |
| 00:20.45 | Muskie | I got everything installed |
| 00:20.58 | Muskie | until it started downloading from the mirror. boom. |
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| 00:21.32 | Muskie | it flashed something too fast for me to read, and went "there has been a problem downloading packages" |
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| 00:22.12 | thomas_adam | Muskie: What command were you using? |
| 00:22.15 | klys | Muskie: shift-pgup |
| 00:22.29 | Muskie | sarge netinst. |
| 00:22.36 | thomas_adam | Muskie: That's not a command. |
| 00:22.40 | Muskie | I know |
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| 00:22.47 | Muskie | I'm in the insaller still |
| 00:22.50 | DonkeyHote | Azar: that's a neat article, but thats not the problem, I'm not trying to mount either of those drives, I'm just trying to DETECT them. |
| 00:22.51 | thomas_adam | OK. |
| 00:23.08 | klys | DonkeyHote: look through the kernel docs for ide commandline options... |
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| 00:23.23 | DonkeyHote | klys: workin on it. |
| 00:23.47 | Azar | DonkeyHote, you have to use the exercise they give you there, see if you can "read" a CD, get a .txt file on a CD and try to read it with pico or vim |
| 00:24.24 | Muskie | I'm up to the part where it selects the packages to install. Iselect "desktop", hit ok, then it goes to a prompt, starts oading file lists, and then flashes an error (all I could get was a Big evil uppercase E:, so it's bad) and then went back to the installer, that said there was a problem installign packages. |
| 00:24.32 | Muskie | hmm.. |
| 00:24.39 | Muskie | maybe I should try another mirror. |
| 00:25.05 | Muskie | but the mirror I was using is kinda hosted by my own ISP. |
| 00:25.18 | sussudio | Muskie: http://www.heatheringtons.com.au/images/mirror%20k.jpg |
| 00:25.25 | Muskie | hence, Straight down the pipe, 0 ping and all that :P |
| 00:25.50 | Muskie | funny, suss. |
| 00:25.59 | Azar | Munkie open /etc/fstab and see how is your cdrom listed |
| 00:26.25 | Muskie | ... |
| 00:26.27 | Muskie | munkie? |
| 00:26.42 | Muskie | it's an S. |
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| 00:27.03 | Muskie | and I'm not installing off the CS. i'm using the netinst, as I've said before. |
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| 00:27.04 | Azar | sorry I ment DonkeyHote |
| 00:27.09 | Muskie | oh. |
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| 00:27.11 | Muskie | sorr |
| 00:27.13 | Muskie | sorry. |
| 00:27.14 | klys | sussudio: have a can of musk? |
| 00:27.46 | Muskie | does anyone know where I can find a list of mirrors that have all the available packages for sarge? |
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| 00:28.04 | nvz | Muskie: apt-setup |
| 00:28.26 | Muskie | nvz: i'm runing the installer. |
| 00:28.38 | nvz | Muskie: then you need not concern yourself |
| 00:28.39 | Azar | DonkeyHote sometimes the fstab lists the cdrom as dev/hdc, try changing that to /dev/cdrom /cdrom |
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| 00:28.50 | Muskie | yes. |
| 00:28.52 | nvz | Muskie: the installer runs apt-setup when its time |
| 00:29.01 | Muskie | nvz, it's asking what mirror. |
| 00:29.07 | DonkeyHote | Azar: hard drive, not cdrom |
| 00:29.14 | Muskie | my ISP's mirror doesen't seem to have the sarge packages. |
| 00:29.14 | nvz | Muskie: where are you? |
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| 00:29.31 | Muskie | so I'm asking f there's a lit of mirrors that do so I can make sure it doesen't happen again. |
| 00:29.43 | Muskie | preferably in Western Australia, if possible |
| 00:29.44 | DonkeyHote | Azar: the problem is that I can't detect or access my hard drives (hda and hdb) from the installer so I can partition them. |
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| 00:30.04 | Azar | DonkeyHote if you go to that link I gave you, scroll down to 4.6.3 /etc/fstab: Automating the mount process and see how it supposed to be... generally speaking |
| 00:30.14 | nvz | Muskie: linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ is the closest I know off the top of my head, hold on |
| 00:30.22 | DonkeyHote | Azar: I know, I saw it, and I'm telling you that that is not the problem. |
| 00:30.58 | DonkeyHote | Azar: the problem isn't in mounting the drive, its about seeing it as a device in the first place |
| 00:31.19 | Muskie | hmm. |
| 00:31.26 | klys | DonkeyHote: does this kernel never detect your drives, or just not when they spin down? |
| 00:31.37 | DonkeyHote | Azar: there is nothing to mount, that's the problem. (for that matter, it won't see the cd rom either) |
| 00:31.49 | Muskie | well, I'll try again in a moment with a different mirror in the list. |
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| 00:31.57 | Azar | DonkeyHote did you tried using the latest installation for Debian? |
| 00:32.03 | DonkeyHote | klys: so far, it seems to be that it never detects the drives, I turned of SMART and I'm gonna see if that works. |
| 00:32.15 | DonkeyHote | Azar: yep, this set of disks is 15 minutes old. |
| 00:32.18 | Muskie | nvz, don't worry about it for now, i'm going to try again |
| 00:32.18 | nvz | Muskie: ftp.wa.au.debian.org |
| 00:32.27 | Muskie | ahh |
| 00:32.36 | Muskie | that was on the lost of mirrors in the thing. |
| 00:33.08 | nvz | Muskie: there are only 11 au mirrors |
| 00:33.08 | Muskie | I know I should have gone with an official debia.org one :P |
| 00:33.08 | Muskie | yeah |
| 00:33.10 | Muskie | someone tell the debian guys that the iinet mirror is fooked. :P |
| 00:33.20 | Azar | DonkeyHote, I am not aware of how sarge installation goes, I use 3.0r2 Woody |
| 00:33.21 | Muskie | aiight, i'm off to try again |
| 00:33.23 | Muskie | seeyas |
| 00:33.34 | DonkeyHote | if this doesn't work, I'm just going to install woody and do an apt-get dist upgrade - I've always wanted to try that anyway. |
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| 00:34.00 | Azar | DonkeyHote, brave of you, good luck |
| 00:34.04 | green_earz | DonkeyHote: check out the sarge net installer |
| 00:34.07 | DonkeyHote | Azar: I've been using woody as well, but my friend suggested sarge, so I thought I'd give it a try. |
| 00:34.12 | Xsquared | would i be able to ask someone some questions in a PM? |
| 00:34.21 | DonkeyHote | green_earz: that's what I'm doing - the floppy net install. |
| 00:34.26 | Azar | ... as long as is not porn spam.. |
| 00:34.49 | qwerty | I need to set up a ppp server using a shiva rocket port, where can I find some documentation on this? |
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| 00:35.06 | theDragon | hi |
| 00:35.14 | theDragon | I got an issue |
| 00:35.21 | DonkeyHote | Azar: does the dist upgrade even work? (has anyone ever tried it? I've always been skeptical, so I haven't) |
| 00:35.24 | theDragon | my debian installer CD freezes after I start it |
| 00:35.32 | theDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.38 | theDragon | just stops |
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| 00:35.52 | green_earz | DonkeyHote: have you got a copy knoppix to see if thats ok with the drive ? |
| 00:36.04 | theDragon | it works fine |
| 00:36.09 | theDragon | I've used knoppix plenty |
| 00:36.12 | theDragon | and pcLinuxOS |
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| 00:36.15 | DonkeyHote | green_earz: it works with woody, and dos. |
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| 00:37.21 | theDragon | anyone? |
| 00:37.25 | smj | Sup Debianites? |
| 00:37.46 | DonkeyHote | smj: installation problems, and you? |
| 00:37.50 | green_earz | DonkeyHote: so its just sarge then ? can the box use a cd. if so check out the latest image for the net installer |
| 00:37.50 | SleepyPete | theDragon: kernel probably doesn't like your hardware |
| 00:37.58 | theDragon | but it should |
| 00:38.00 | smj | DonkeyHote: What's up? New version of d-i? |
| 00:38.09 | theDragon | I've used it before and it got to the select hard drive phase |
| 00:38.12 | theDragon | but I cancelled |
| 00:38.17 | theDragon | this time when I go to do it, it just stops |
| 00:38.18 | thomas_adam | Xsquared: Do I know you, and why did you /msg me? |
| 00:38.41 | DonkeyHote | nah - I'm just trying to install sarge, and it doesn't wanna see my hard drives (not moutn them, just see the device so it can even TRY to mount it) |
| 00:38.48 | DonkeyHote | damn.. I hate this keyboard... |
| 00:39.11 | DonkeyHote | has anyone in here ever owned a tangent computer? |
| 00:39.11 | Xsquared | thomas_adam: cause its a pretty big problem and i don't want it to be mixed with other ppls conversations |
| 00:39.11 | smj | DonkeyHote: What kind of controller do you have? |
| 00:39.11 | SleepyPete | theDragon: well, something must've changed in your hardware, if it's the same kernel.... O.o |
| 00:39.14 | theDragon | not a thing |
| 00:39.16 | SleepyPete | you sure you don't have a bit of failing hardware? |
| 00:39.18 | thomas_adam | Xsquared: Again.. *why* me? |
| 00:39.23 | Azar | DonkeyHote you are trying to install from a CD, right? |
| 00:39.29 | SleepyPete | bad RAM or something perhaps? |
| 00:39.30 | Kraig | i have support in my kernel for DMA, in the BIOS it's enabled also, but i can't hdparm -d1 to any HDD it returns HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted, is there something else i need to do/check? |
| 00:39.42 | Xsquared | thomas_adam: Cause your a master at this |
| 00:39.55 | thomas_adam | What is your issue with /usr ? |
| 00:40.08 | Xsquared | thomas_adam: i need to delete it |
| 00:40.17 | sussudio | my /usr keeps changing back and forth to /3com |
| 00:40.24 | Xsquared | thomas_adam: but i can't without being in a safe mode or something |
| 00:40.27 | Azar | I was thinking... if you switch the boot device to the CDROM, then the installation looks for the HD... there might be a problem? |
| 00:40.44 | thomas_adam | Xsquared: It's 01:38am here. Welcome to Sunday. |
| 00:40.54 | scarynetworkguy | thomas_adam: oh yeah |
| 00:40.58 | DonkeyHote | Azar: no, floppies. |
| 00:40.59 | sussudio | thomas_adam: apt-get install ntp-simple |
| 00:41.12 | thomas_adam | sussudio: :P |
| 00:41.28 | Xsquared | thomas_adam: sorry for troubling you |
| 00:41.52 | sussudio | most people don't get it when it's 13:37 on the clock and you go "HEH!" |
| 00:41.54 | DonkeyHote | smj: its an onboard controller on a K7S5A motherbaord. |
| 00:42.18 | smj | DonkeyHote: Is that A-bit? |
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| 00:42.34 | smj | DonkeyHote: Is it a VIA chipset? |
| 00:42.36 | DonkeyHote | green_earz: I'd use a cd, if I had the means to burn one at the moment :) |
| 00:42.44 | klys | sussudio: heh is crabby, not leet |
| 00:42.50 | DonkeyHote | smj: Elitegroup |
| 00:43.08 | sussudio | all instances of EliteGroup can be interchanged with "CHEAPPIECEOFCRAP" |
| 00:43.23 | DonkeyHote | thank you sussudio for your useful input. |
| 00:43.37 | sussudio | DonkeyHote: next time, spend the extra 10 bucks on a good board |
| 00:43.40 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: did you do something useful? |
| 00:43.47 | sussudio | scarynetworkguy: not that i'm aware of |
| 00:43.56 | Azar | DonkeyHote, looking at this I thought it is fairly simple |
| 00:43.57 | Azar | http://www.linuxbeta.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=135&slide=1 |
| 00:43.57 | smj | DonkeyHote: Ouch! I'm not sure what to tell you. I had one of those and it worked well with Debian Woody, not sure about Sarge though. It's in my wastebasket now. |
| 00:44.06 | smj | DonkeyHote: Sorry, I though I could be more help. |
| 00:44.09 | scarynetworkguy | sussudio: good I was thinking we were looking at the end of the world for a minute there |
| 00:44.19 | DonkeyHote | smj: no problem |
| 00:45.03 | smj | DonkeyHote: I've had several boards with various Via chipsets that do strange things with the 2.6 kernel. Are you booting the install into 2.4 or 2.6? |
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| 00:45.28 | DonkeyHote | smj: whatever the default on the latest net install floppies is |
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| 00:45.55 | dabreegster | Is there a program to translate words into a .au or .wav or whatever of that input being spoken that'll work on Linux? A monotone voice synthesizer or whatever. |
| 00:46.00 | sussudio | no, if idiots could fly, there'd be a lot more cleaning of jet engines. |
| 00:46.05 | Phated | dabreegster: Festival, mayhap. |
| 00:46.21 | sussudio | mayhap meliceps? |
| 00:46.28 | Phated | sussudio: You hush. :) |
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| 00:46.56 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone here have a gmail account? |
| 00:46.59 | drijen | Phated: you around |
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| 00:47.04 | Phated | drijen: Yo. |
| 00:47.08 | drijen | Led_Zeppelin: i have 3 |
| 00:47.11 | drijen | hi Phated |
| 00:47.11 | green_earz | DonkeyHote: with in net installer you can start the install with a 2.6 kernel by typing linux26 at the very first prompt of the install |
| 00:47.14 | sussudio | Led_Zeppelin: up your bum |
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| 00:47.16 | drijen | how are you |
| 00:47.25 | Led_Zeppelin | drijen, how do you change your time on it? I am getting the wrong time. |
| 00:47.33 | Led_Zeppelin | sussudio, ? |
| 00:47.38 | sussudio | Led_Zeppelin: /topic |
| 00:47.39 | Phated | Hello, drijen. |
| 00:47.40 | dabreegster | Phated: cool, I'll check it out. |
| 00:47.47 | Phated | dabreegster: Have fun. |
| 00:47.49 | drijen | Led_Zeppelin: i don't use it for mail |
| 00:47.55 | drijen | so i dunno |
| 00:47.56 | Led_Zeppelin | sussudio, general question. Sorry |
| 00:48.03 | smj | DonkeyHote: 2.4 then... Shouldn't be any problems, I'd think. Any idea what the specific chipset is for your southbridge or hard drive controller? |
| 00:48.04 | Led_Zeppelin | drijen, lol, what do you use it for? Storage? |
| 00:48.07 | green_earz | DonkeyHote: for sarge |
| 00:48.10 | VolVE | Possibly a stupid question: How do I format a floppy disk as FAT in Linux? :-/ |
| 00:48.10 | sussudio | Led_Zeppelin: #debian |
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| 00:48.16 | drijen | Led_Zeppelin: external filesystem, yes |
| 00:48.28 | Led_Zeppelin | sussudio, sorry. |
| 00:48.32 | Led_Zeppelin | drijen, ok |
| 00:48.42 | drijen | Phated: let me buy you a beer, i'm in an awesome mood |
| 00:49.16 | Phated | drijen: Awesome. |
| 00:49.21 | DonkeyHote | smj: no, I'm not really sure, I had a machine die on me after a faithful 6 years, and I needed a replacement really fast. I just grabbed the first thing I could afford, much to sussudio's dislike. |
| 00:49.39 | drijen | Phated: i'm on my first hour of broadband |
| 00:49.48 | drijen | Phated: and i picked up a gf |
| 00:49.52 | drijen | so, i'm happy |
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| 00:50.02 | Phated | drijen: ALL RIGHT! Welcome to the club, my good man. The club of the connected and attached. |
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| 00:50.17 | marmot | drijen, she's only using you for the broadband :P lol |
| 00:50.31 | drijen | marmot: the sex is worth it |
| 00:50.34 | drijen | :p |
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| 00:50.45 | Phated | I'll have to agree with both of you here. |
| 00:50.51 | nvz | heh |
| 00:50.58 | telecz | anyone how to specify parameters for kernel modules that get loaded automatically when booting? |
| 00:50.59 | drijen | Phated: trying to tell me something? |
| 00:51.06 | njbair | i'm having trouble running a .bin file |
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| 00:51.13 | nvz | Boy I'll tell you whut |
| 00:51.13 | Phated | drijen: The sex is worth it. |
| 00:51.16 | smj | DonkeyHote: Ahhhh... It all makes sense now. That's how I ended up with my Elitegroup board myself. I've done A-bit, ASUS, or better whenever possible myself. Do you have another operating system installation disk to try? If you want to go for a distro that's less reliable than Debian Sarge I'd suggest FC2 as it can boot from a pendrive. |
| 00:51.26 | Xsquared | how do i unmount /usr ?????????? |
| 00:51.26 | BlackJudas | how can i find which files are larger than a gig? |
| 00:51.35 | drijen | Phated: i mean personally |
| 00:51.38 | drijen | :) |
| 00:51.39 | smj | telecz: In your /etc/modules file, list the module along with the options. |
| 00:51.42 | drijen | bbl |
| 00:51.46 | Phated | drijen: Oh, nothing in that case. :) |
| 00:51.47 | drijen | going across the street |
| 00:51.48 | DonkeyHote | smj: yea, I've used woody on it since the day I brought it home without any problems whatsoever. |
| 00:51.48 | nvz | BlackJudas: where the whole VFS? |
| 00:51.59 | BlackJudas | nvz: yeah in /var |
| 00:52.20 | smj | telecz: Unless you need them to load in order to access your hard drive, then you'd better look at your initrd. |
| 00:52.35 | DonkeyHote | smj: but as soon as I put this sarge disk in it, it decided not to see it any more... it still detects it from the bios, and I can put my old woody install disks in (or a dos disk) and it works fine. |
| 00:52.44 | telecz | smj: do the modules in /etc/modules get loaded before other modules? |
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| 00:53.01 | smj | telecz: What are you trying to do? |
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| 00:53.14 | RichiH | is there a debian way to disable automatic running of dhclient at bootup time? |
| 00:53.16 | nvz | BlackJudas: I'd run du -h and some kind of pattern scan |
| 00:53.24 | Xsquared | how do i unmount /usr |
| 00:53.30 | smj | DonkeyHote: Ahh, I see. That is f**ked up. |
| 00:53.47 | DonkeyHote | smj: I agree. |
| 00:53.50 | smj | Xsquared: With umount. |
| 00:54.03 | Xsquared | yer... device is busy |
| 00:54.04 | telecz | smj: I have a device driver (usb modem) that I need to use parameters other than the default settings |
| 00:54.14 | goodell | Xsquared: lsof | grep /usr |
| 00:54.18 | smj | DonkeyHote: Sorry, not sure what to tell you. |
| 00:54.25 | green_earz | DonkeyHote: put the woody base on the update to sarge ? |
| 00:54.30 | goodell | make sure that you don't have any shells open with a /usr/* directory as its pwd |
| 00:54.34 | smj | Xsquared: You have to kill ever last process that's using /usr. |
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| 00:54.42 | smj | Xsquared: Then you can umount it. |
| 00:54.46 | simonrvn | Xsquared: umount -l /usr. when it isn't busy anymore, it'll unmount |
| 00:54.56 | smj | Xsquared: I usually do that kind of work in single user mode. |
| 00:55.04 | jsturgis | when i paste into vim, it puts in several unwanted tabs. is there a way to prevent this? |
| 00:55.16 | DonkeyHote | smj: well, I'm in a pinch - I'm hosting a LAN party tomorrow, and I wanted to use sarge and give it a try, but if I can't get it to install soon (since I have another machine to do after this one) then I'll have to go back to woody |
| 00:55.16 | simonrvn | jsturgis: :set paste |
| 00:55.26 | smj | DonkeyHote: Yeah, can't you guys do a dist-upgrade? |
| 00:55.27 | DonkeyHote | smj: no problem, thanks for trying though. |
| 00:55.38 | DonkeyHote | smj: I've never tried one - that's the next option though |
| 00:55.39 | Xsquared | thanks |
| 00:55.46 | simonrvn | jsturgis: then t switch back, :set nopaste, or pasttoggle |
| 00:55.48 | telecz | smj: if I let the device driver get loaded automatically, it uses default settings, and is very slow. |
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| 00:55.57 | simonrvn | jsturgis: pastetoggle |
| 00:55.58 | smj | simonrvn: That's pretty cool. I was unaware of the -l option. |
| 00:56.13 | simonrvn | undocumented i think |
| 00:56.14 | jsturgis | simonrvn: thanks a heap |
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| 00:56.35 | smj | telecz: /etc/modules is where the system goes to load device drivers after the kernel loads. |
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| 00:56.49 | simonrvn | smj: i know it by "lazy umount" |
| 00:56.54 | telecz | smj: thanks |
| 00:57.06 | Xsquared | can i unmount it in a safe mode or something |
| 00:57.12 | DonkeyHote | smj: the idea of a dist-upgrade doesn't seem quite as "clean" |
| 00:57.16 | smj | simonrvn: Good mneumonic. Cool. |
| 00:57.16 | Xsquared | cause the system is still using /usr |
| 00:57.26 | DonkeyHote | smj: I'd be afraid it would leave stuff behind |
| 00:57.35 | smj | DonkeyHote: I've never had a problem with it. In fact my first sarge install WAS a woody install. :-) |
| 00:57.42 | DonkeyHote | smj: but, thanks a heap though ;) |
| 00:57.43 | simonrvn | Xsquared: "safe mode"? you mean you aren't doing this in single user? |
| 00:57.49 | smj | DonkeyHote: But I understand your reluctance as well. |
| 00:58.00 | Xsquared | im doing it in root |
| 00:58.10 | simonrvn | Xsquared: ok... |
| 00:58.20 | telecz | smj: can I put parameters in the same line as the module name in /etc/modules? |
| 00:58.30 | simonrvn | Xsquared: what does 'runlevel<enter>' say? |
| 00:58.39 | tcsetattr | telecz, stuff it in /etc/modutils/my_custom_stuff |
| 00:58.42 | DonkeyHote | smj: well, I'm going for the "sarge-via-woody" install |
| 00:58.43 | Phated | DonkeyHote: Dude, a dist-upgrade is about as clean as you'll get without flossing. |
| 00:58.44 | smj | Xsquared: Okay, the system has differeng runlevels. You need to run /sbin/init S in order to put it into "single user mode" so you can do the work you want to do. |
| 00:58.52 | smj | DonkeyHote: Good luck... |
| 00:58.53 | Xsquared | simonrvna: N 2 |
| 00:59.03 | nvz | my monitor shelf doesnt like sitting on this damn curved back philips tv.. I need some super glue or something.. heh |
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| 00:59.20 | DonkeyHote | Phated: hmm... maybe that's the problem, I haven't flossed my computer in a long time... in fact, ever, that I can remember... |
| 00:59.24 | DonkeyHote | smj: thanks. |
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| 00:59.35 | simonrvn | Xsquared: you shouldn't do that kind of thing in a mutli-user mode, do 'init 1', than do what you need to do with /usr |
| 00:59.40 | smj | tcsetattr: I thought /etc/modutils was being deprecated. |
| 00:59.46 | simonrvn | multi- even |
| 00:59.48 | Phated | DonkeyHote: There. Didn't you EVER listen to your dentist? Flossing is an essential part of hardware hygiene. |
| 01:00.15 | simonrvn | smj: not for 2.4.x kernels |
| 01:00.18 | green_earz | telecz: the howto may help > http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/hardware.html |
| 01:00.21 | DonkeyHote | smj: I guess the problem is kind of that woody won't be around forever, and I would like to get an install to work from that installer... |
| 01:00.39 | DonkeyHote | smj: I don't like the new installer... I want the old one to stay. |
| 01:00.44 | simonrvn | smj: works in linux too |
| 01:00.48 | telecz | green_earz: thanks |
| 01:00.54 | green_earz | ok |
| 01:00.57 | smj | simonrvn: Ahhh... I see. Thanks for the info. |
| 01:01.01 | Xsquared | umount: /usr: device is busy :'-( |
| 01:01.13 | simonrvn | Xsquared: go to single user mode first |
| 01:01.18 | Xsquared | i did |
| 01:01.19 | DonkeyHote | Phated: I must not have a good dentist... |
| 01:01.25 | Phated | DonkeyHote: Indeed not. |
| 01:01.32 | Xsquared | it says im in level S 2 now |
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| 01:01.48 | simonrvn | Xsquared: then something is still using it. what happens when you do lsof /usr ? |
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| 01:02.03 | simonrvn | Xsquared: ok |
| 01:02.12 | DonkeyHote | Phated: not taht I'm even sure what kind of thing a dentist would do to a computer... or what "flossing" a computer could even be in reference to... |
| 01:02.13 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: but it would appear that he has a pencil. If you know what I mean. |
| 01:02.24 | Xsquared | simonrvn: it pumps out a whole list of programs |
| 01:02.39 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Ahhh... |
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| 01:02.54 | Phated | DonkeyHote: Dude, I was trolling you. :/ I thought you were playing along. :\ |
| 01:02.55 | DonkeyHote | scarynetworkguy: is that in reference to me? |
| 01:02.56 | scarynetworkguy | Phated: yeah |
| 01:03.02 | Phated | scarynetworkguy: Oh well. |
| 01:03.06 | destr0 | anyone here using phpgroupware-projects? I installed it, enabled it in the setup program, but it still isn't showing up in the menu |
| 01:03.06 | scarynetworkguy | DonkeyHote: yes yes it was |
| 01:03.12 | simonrvn | Xsquared: you're not doing init 1 ... do it again. it should be very explicit about switching runlevels |
| 01:03.41 | destr0 | I'm using sarge. |
| 01:03.56 | DonkeyHote | scarynetworkguy: that must be an IRC-junkie's thing - cause I have no idea what you mean by that. |
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| 01:04.05 | simonrvn | destr0: i think they have their own channel |
| 01:04.07 | scarynetworkguy | DonkeyHote: I know |
| 01:04.08 | DonkeyHote | Phated: sorry? |
| 01:04.13 | Xsquared | alpha:/ runlevel 2 S alpha:/ |
| 01:04.27 | simonrvn | Xsquared: ok |
| 01:04.31 | Phated | DonkeyHote: *sigh* Forget it. Backfired joke. |
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| 01:04.41 | simonrvn | Xsquared: that's single user |
| 01:05.02 | yazid | Xsquared: that you can seemingly delete or modify the binary of a running program does not mean there really is not tie. think of an mmap umbilical (thanks to the guy from the kernel channel that recently explained it to me) that is kept on an inode base, so you can replace the binary but not umount the drive that keeps the text of a running program |
| 01:05.05 | simonrvn | Xsquared: do the lsof thing again |
| 01:05.07 | DonkeyHote | and my IRC-addicted friends wonder why I don't want to join them in their favorite channels for a chat... |
| 01:05.27 | destr0 | simonrvn: hmm.. I don't know whether it's a phpgroupware issue or a packaging issue |
| 01:05.45 | DonkeyHote | Phated: Isn't trolling generally looked down upon? |
| 01:05.48 | simonrvn | destr0: menu, as in phpgroupware's menu? |
| 01:06.07 | Phated | DonkeyHote: *sigh* Yes. |
| 01:06.22 | simonrvn | DonkeyHote: of course |
| 01:06.23 | destr0 | simonrvn: yep |
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| 01:06.31 | scarynetworkguy | god I hate Sunday |
| 01:06.33 | yazid | simonrvn: explicit? well, if my init tells me to sod off or worse when i ask it to switch runlevels you'll be the first to hear |
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| 01:07.18 | simonrvn | destr0: could be a config thing you missed, or it didn't register yet. there's acls you have to set up for each one. did you do that? |
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| 01:07.28 | simonrvn | yazid: look up explicit ;) |
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| 01:07.48 | DonkeyHote | Phated: I go on IRC for one purpose: info. There are those, however, who like to mess with people... its a culture I don't really understand... it always seems like a dick-measuring contest... |
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| 01:08.15 | yazid | simonrvn: yeah yeah, thought it could mean "in foul language" too ;) |
| 01:08.23 | Phated | DonkeyHote: I have no dick. I'm really not interested in this now. Most people here would have recognised it as a joke. I'm sorry if you're not an "IRC-junkie". |
| 01:08.25 | nevyn | is there a way to duplicate a filedescriptor in bash? |
| 01:08.26 | simonrvn | DonkeyHote: yeh, there are some like that, it's called trolling ;) |
| 01:08.38 | simonrvn | yazid: you dirty old man ;P |
| 01:08.39 | Phated | simonrvn: Yessir. |
| 01:08.52 | nevyn | ie if I want to grep for something for a test but still want to see all the output? |
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| 01:09.10 | simonrvn | Phated: please don't say that, i find it a little disconcerting |
| 01:09.26 | Phated | simonrvn: Yessir. |
| 01:09.33 | yazid | simonrvn: old? 24 actually. and nowadays, a 12 year old usually knows language to make a sailor blush deeply |
| 01:09.34 | Phated | simonrvn: But OK. :) |
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| 01:09.36 | simonrvn | @lart Phated |
| 01:09.41 | Phated | Damn. |
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| 01:09.55 | Phated | yazid: Dude, 24 -is- old. |
| 01:10.07 | simonrvn | yazid: heh, i know :) |
| 01:10.18 | yazid | Phated: for this channel you mean? |
| 01:10.35 | marmot | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.41 | simonrvn | plop |
| 01:10.42 | sussudio | !light marmot |
| 01:10.43 | Weeble | I just have |
| 01:10.50 | marmot | weeee! |
| 01:10.54 | yazid | Just give me some darkness... and I'll dance all night ! |
| 01:11.05 | Weeble | shut your eyes |
| 01:11.11 | Hagfish | abrotman: got it to boot, apparently it was the audio causing the problem |
| 01:11.11 | Phated | yazid: Yes. |
| 01:11.15 | Phated | Weeble: *fluffle* |
| 01:11.21 | yazid | and decapitation is considered a bit un-pc these days hehehehehe |
| 01:11.50 | telecz | man page says update-modules is obsolete. What is its replacement then? (I'm using kernel 2.6.x) |
| 01:11.57 | Phated | Who cares. This might be one of the most severely un-PC channels around... ^ nice exaple with what Weeble was doing there. |
| 01:12.18 | directhex | Weeble can snuggle up to me whenever he wants |
| 01:12.30 | Hagfish | is there an easy way of telling what is supported by the stock kernel? |
| 01:12.35 | Phated | DonkeyHote: 0.0 |
| 01:12.35 | Hagfish | 2.6.8-1-686 |
| 01:13.04 | yazid | I actually prefer LPTIOPASI to PC, but i know there are sensitive americans out here ... |
| 01:13.04 | DonkeyHote | Phated: 0.0? |
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| 01:13.22 | directhex | !confuse Phated |
| 01:13.23 | dpkg | yes, them was your gerbil tomorrow, Phated? by order of the monarchy of tibet with extra herring |
| 01:14.02 | Phated | DonkeyHote: It's called an emoticon/smiley. Genereally these are used to indicate expression. 0.0 means eyes wide open as in shock or surprise. O.O or o.O also work. |
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| 01:14.25 | DonkeyHote | Phated: ok, sorry... I don't recognize them without the smileys. |
| 01:14.37 | nvz | and -.- means eyes closed or just stoned in my case |
| 01:14.39 | scarynetworkguy | !bofhsmite DonkeyHote |
| 01:14.41 | thomas_adam | !dict Genereally |
| 01:14.43 | dpkg | could not find definition for Genereally |
| 01:14.49 | green_earz | Hagfish: you could look at its config-xxxx file in /boot with a editor |
| 01:15.00 | Hagfish | green_earz: ah, thank you |
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| 01:15.18 | nvz | and this =^..^= is a kitty, heh |
| 01:15.26 | telecz | Is it necessary to run update-modules when I make changes in /etc/modprobe.d ? |
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| 01:15.30 | directhex | \m/(^_^)\m/ |
| 01:15.41 | libv | and this is just me typing a load of nonsense. |
| 01:15.43 | simonrvn | telecz: not really |
| 01:15.51 | DonkeyHote | Phated: you might as well give up on me - I'm a lost cause... I'm just not in tune with this culture/society or whatever you want to call it. |
| 01:16.01 | telecz | smacnay: thanks |
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| 01:16.05 | scarynetworkguy | DonkeyHote: then just fucking drop it and get on with your life |
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| 01:16.12 | directhex | DonkeyHote, you're not "hip", like these modern ruffians |
| 01:16.19 | Phated | DonkeyHote: 09:16 Ignoring ALL from DonkeyHote <- Yes, I am giving up. |
| 01:16.25 | DonkeyHote | directhex: obviously. |
| 01:16.27 | comadreja | hello, I'm looking for documents on how to migrate from apache to apache2 |
| 01:16.44 | thomas_adam | comadreja: String, and a pulley works. |
| 01:16.45 | simonrvn | comadreja: best one is apache2-doc package |
| 01:16.50 | yazid | DonkeyHote: anybody into this culture is usually either <16 years old or a rather destructive kind of person that revels in messing things up |
| 01:16.56 | ChibaPet | Hey, all. A quick question... How can I go about getting things set such that when I plug in my USB mouse, X starts using it immediately? Is there a mux device ala NetBSD's wsmouse? |
| 01:17.05 | comadreja | simonrvn thanks |
| 01:17.08 | thomas_adam | ChibaPet: hotplug |
| 01:17.15 | ChibaPet | thanks |
| 01:17.28 | nevyn | ChibaPet: use /dev/input/mice in your X config |
| 01:17.31 | directhex | ChibaPet, /dev/input/mice what you're after? |
| 01:17.31 | DonkeyHote | yazid: so it would seem. |
| 01:17.35 | nevyn | ChibaPet: it should work out of the box tho. |
| 01:17.42 | ChibaPet | hm |
| 01:17.51 | yazid | ChibaPet: huh? never had an X server that did NOT just use an usb mouse, as long as you use a config file similar to that in sarge XFree installation |
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| 01:18.06 | ChibaPet | it works if I start X with the USB mouse plugged in, but not if I plug it in after X has already started, at present |
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| 01:18.13 | telecz | simonrvn: does that mean moprobe always use information in /etc/modprobe.d? Do I need to run depmod? |
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| 01:18.34 | nevyn | ChibaPet: check that the Xconfig has /dev/input/mice and not /dev/input/mouse0 |
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| 01:19.00 | hulett | On Sarge, I had policy-rc.d to make changes to the symbolic links in /etc/rcX.d/. How do I do this on Woody? |
| 01:19.02 | ChibaPet | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.03 | yazid | if hotplug is not installed, you need the modules usbmouse and (important!) mousedev loaded (and the needed xHCI and such modules) |
| 01:19.25 | simonrvn | telecz: depmod you do need to run, but update-modules not often as with 2.4 |
| 01:19.30 | ChibaPet | hotplug seems to be installed |
| 01:19.47 | yazid | maybe it is misconfigured. |
| 01:19.53 | simonrvn | hulett: update-rc.d |
| 01:19.54 | telecz | simonrvn: thanks |
| 01:20.05 | hulett | simonrvn: Ah. Thanks. |
| 01:20.06 | ChibaPet | using kernel 2.4.26-1-386, but have also seen this with 2.4.27, IIRC |
| 01:20.15 | braind34d | !seen caelum |
| 01:20.16 | yazid | btw, is subfs considered by debian as something "below their dignity", or just something nobody bothered to package yet? |
| 01:20.16 | dpkg | caelum <~rkitover@c-24-5-143-101.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 16d 8h 32m 35s ago, saying: 'thomas_adam: tea is better with brandy :)'. |
| 01:20.36 | thomas_adam | That's a lie. |
| 01:21.03 | braind34d | where is caelum damn it |
| 01:21.25 | codewarrior2 | which is faster, gentoo or debian (same system). |
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| 01:21.40 | yazid | codewarrior2: to install or to use? |
| 01:21.55 | directhex | !gentoosmite codewarrior2 |
| 01:22.05 | comadreja | could anyone please help me out in making apache2 work with php4 ? |
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| 01:22.27 | comadreja | I had some forums that do not work right after upgrading |
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| 01:22.57 | ChibaPet | So, I see kernel and usb.agent messages noting the USB mouse plug-in, and my input device is /dev/input/mice. Anything else I should check? |
| 01:23.34 | yazid | dpkg subfs is an automounter for removable media that debian doesn't yet have |
| 01:23.34 | dpkg | okay, yazid |
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| 01:24.09 | DrRighteous2 | I need a little help, Im moving my drives from the onbound IDE controller to a promise TX2 ATA/133, and I can't get lilo to boot. I already made a bootdisk with mkboot to get it to boot the root partition so I could relilo, but right after the LILO statement I get a Error 0x01. Can anyone help? |
| 01:24.34 | codewarrior2 | to use |
| 01:24.35 | codewarrior2 | of course |
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| 01:25.39 | Bacat | I bought an SATA controller card for my new 80Gb Seagate. Does linux 2.4 support PCI-card-SATA controlelr cards? |
| 01:25.40 | yazid | I think any single performance improvement that does not improve things by at least half an order of magnitude is rarely worth the bother ;) |
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| 01:26.03 | Bacat | If so, where do I mount the drive so debian can use it? |
| 01:26.07 | ChibaPet | bbl |
| 01:26.21 | yazid | some people have benchmarked and found gentoo performing slower than debian or suse (running very fast myself now ,,, physically) |
| 01:26.22 | daedx | Why Mozilla Firefox 1 |
| 01:26.26 | daedx | aint no apt-get? |
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| 01:26.36 | directhex | Bacat, very recent 2.4 kernels do |
| 01:26.38 | nevyn | Bacat: where do you want it? |
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| 01:26.45 | sussudio | !confuse daedx |
| 01:26.46 | dpkg | yes, what was my bacon yesterday, daedx? by order of the dictatorship of belarus with extra ham |
| 01:27.05 | yazid | how functional is sata support? i heard horror stories about data corruption |
| 01:27.09 | directhex | daedx, because it's not out yet. 0.10 is in experimental, and i think it's set to stay there until sarge is released |
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| 01:27.19 | directhex | yazid, depends on the controller, i rhink |
| 01:27.42 | Nyle | what is a good web browser for console, i beliebe there used to be one called lynx or something back in the day, whats the package name for that, also how I search apt-get for a certian package |
| 01:27.46 | daedx | directhex: Funny .. Sarge should have been release like what 2 month ago?! |
| 01:27.54 | Bacat | nevyn: Well, I created an /sata directory. But how do I find which device to mount? It doesn't seem to show up as hdb. Is it going to be a pci device? |
| 01:28.11 | daedx | Firefox 1 should at least be on unstable/sid |
| 01:28.13 | scarynetworkguy | Nyle: links2 |
| 01:28.20 | Nyle | ahh |
| 01:28.21 | dabreegster | Any way to get the recite program to speak up a little bit? It's quiet. |
| 01:28.22 | Nyle | thanks |
| 01:28.25 | directhex | daedx, firefox 1 isn't finished yet. it doesn't exist |
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| 01:28.36 | dabreegster | Nyle: personally, elinks is more advanced. |
| 01:28.37 | daedx | 1.0 pr |
| 01:28.41 | Nyle | couldn't find package links2 |
| 01:28.43 | Nyle | :( |
| 01:28.45 | zophyx | can i play an mms:// audio stream with linux ? |
| 01:28.54 | directhex | daedx, take it from experimental, then |
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| 01:29.02 | Nyle | lets try elinks |
| 01:29.06 | directhex | zophyx, yes. mplayer is fine, and mimms wqill save mms:// streams to disk |
| 01:29.13 | Dark-Gate | my apt-get got messed up how to I make it stop trying to download a package? |
| 01:29.13 | nevyn | Bacat: in my experience they show up as scsi |
| 01:29.14 | zophyx | ok, thanks |
| 01:29.18 | nevyn | Bacat: try /dev/sda1 |
| 01:29.25 | nevyn | Bacat: but the kernel will tell you. |
| 01:29.28 | daedx | directhex: One last question, any ETA on the official sarge release? |
| 01:29.32 | Nyle | i can't seem to install apt-get install elinks or links2 or lynx |
| 01:29.41 | Nyle | package not found |
| 01:29.44 | directhex | !sarge release |
| 01:29.44 | dpkg | well, sarge release is Debian doesn't have fixed release dates. It comes out when it comes out. If you want it sooner, go to http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ and http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ and help fix bugs and test the installer. thanks! |
| 01:29.57 | Nyle | i had already done apt-get update |
| 01:29.57 | simonrvn | Nyle: it's pretty new still |
| 01:30.05 | Bacat | nevyn: Is it in dmesg somewhere? |
| 01:30.11 | simonrvn | @find links2 sarge |
| 01:30.11 | nevyn | Bacat: you will need 2.4.25+ish |
| 01:30.11 | Dark-Gate | I have sarge |
| 01:30.11 | Nyle | im using the main woody stable thingy |
| 01:30.14 | nevyn | Bacat: it should be |
| 01:30.18 | Dark-Gate | havnt had any problems with it untill todoay |
| 01:30.20 | simonrvn | Nyle: not in woody |
| 01:30.32 | Nyle | but isn't woody supposed to be most stable |
| 01:30.34 | Nyle | ? |
| 01:30.44 | Bacat | nevyn: Actually, I remember sda1 is my USB thumbdrive. |
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| 01:30.54 | nevyn | try sdb |
| 01:30.54 | simonrvn | links2 is not in woody. |
| 01:31.05 | Nyle | which browser is? |
| 01:31.20 | green_earz | Nyle: and apt-get update runs ok then you should be able to run apt-get install lynx |
| 01:31.21 | nevyn | Bacat: and linux's stuffed naming bites you again |
| 01:31.34 | Bacat | nevyn: So if I'm running 2.4.18, how do I get my kernel to see the card? |
| 01:31.36 | simonrvn | Nyle: links the older one, w3m, etc. |
| 01:31.40 | ravenbird | Debian Search of 'links2' (4 shown): (/usr/bin/links2, /usr/lib/menu/links2) in net/links2 ;; (/usr/share/doc/netrik/test/links2.html) in web/netrik ;; (/usr/share/doc/abs-guide/examples/symlinks2.sh) in non-free/doc/abs-guide ;; (/usr/share/doc/elinks/examples/contrib/conv/conf-links2elinks.pl.gz) in web/elinks. |
| 01:31.48 | Nyle | no duh, i got it thanks, installing lynx now |
| 01:32.00 | Nyle | also how do I get my mouse working in console mode |
| 01:32.05 | simonrvn | gpm |
| 01:32.17 | Bacat | nevyn: stuffed naming? |
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| 01:32.59 | nevyn | Bacat: if you boot with your usbkey pluged in. it's sda and the sata drive is sdb |
| 01:33.13 | nevyn | if you boot without your usbkey plugged in the sata drive is sda |
| 01:33.17 | nevyn | Bacat: stuffed. |
| 01:33.22 | nvz | heh I was off playing with my editor I created five different lol dudes so far ;) gonna have to post a link.. heh |
| 01:33.27 | Bacat | nevyn: So, you're pretty sure my current kernel won't see the SATA card? |
| 01:33.42 | Bacat | nevyn: I see. So I boot without the thumbdrive, sata will take sda probably. |
| 01:33.44 | directhex | Bacat, i think there's no SATA support until 2.4.23 |
| 01:33.45 | yazid | Bacat: 2.4.x kernels cannot cleanly reassign names on hotplugged scsi devices - like usb sticks -, and thus you have minor number creep as soon as you introduce more than one exact device to it |
| 01:34.07 | nevyn | Bacat: type uname -a |
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| 01:34.22 | nevyn | Bacat: I don't know what your current kernel is. |
| 01:34.25 | directhex | Bacat, and for a promise card, i think 2.4.26 or even 2.4.27 is the first place they backported an open source promise driver from 2.6 |
| 01:34.42 | green_earz | Nyle: if you are getting to know debian check the net installer the next time you install > http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/daily/i386/ and here is a help full link > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/book/index.html |
| 01:35.25 | Bacat | Kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 01:35.43 | yazid | promise controllers are not far from getting the nickname "broken promises" anyway |
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| 01:36.04 | Bacat | directhex: the brand is I/O Flex. It claims linux compatibility on the box. |
| 01:36.08 | nevyn | Bacat: that definitly does not have support |
| 01:36.13 | nevyn | in 2.4.18 |
| 01:36.17 | nevyn | upgrade your kernel |
| 01:36.33 | directhex | Bacat, what's the chip? promise on 2.4 i think until VERY recently needed a closed source binary driver |
| 01:36.51 | Bacat | nevyn: Ok. That's what I needed to know. Thank you. |
| 01:36.53 | directhex | Bacat, as in "i gave up with my promise in the end, it didn't work with 2.4.25" |
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| 01:37.07 | jazzanova | hello |
| 01:37.09 | Xsquared | ok, whoever helped me fixing my /usr problem... it worked |
| 01:37.21 | Nyle | are there any documents on what to do after a fresh debian netinstall base system? |
| 01:37.22 | Xsquared | thank you all very much, it is greatly appreciated |
| 01:37.36 | jazzanova | i am trying to get cups to print to a windows printer. The url that I use is: smb://workgroup/salal/hp |
| 01:37.43 | directhex | Nyle, many, it depends what you want thoguh |
| 01:37.43 | jazzanova | but it doesn't work |
| 01:37.46 | yazid | Nyle: rejoice? |
| 01:37.47 | Bacat | directhex: My arch? Or the chip on the SATA controller card? |
| 01:37.50 | simonrvn | Xsquared: you're welcome |
| 01:37.50 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:37.52 | jazzanova | it nevel reaches machine salal |
| 01:38.05 | directhex | Bacat, the sata controller card, which is somewhat more in-context here |
| 01:38.09 | Nyle | I want to get a full kde system set up with all my hardware detected and running |
| 01:38.14 | Xsquared | simonrvn: thanks, i couldn't find your nick in the list ;-) |
| 01:38.22 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:38.45 | simonrvn | i'm invisible :P |
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| 01:38.55 | Bacat | directhex: I'm afraid I don't know what chip it uses. Would find that information on the box? |
| 01:39.07 | yazid | Nyle: installed woody or sarge? |
| 01:39.11 | Nyle | woody stable |
| 01:39.33 | Nyle | kernel 2.2.20 |
| 01:39.51 | simonrvn | woody *is* stable |
| 01:39.52 | directhex | Bacat, unlikely. you'd find it on the chip, though. or you could lsmod, find the pci vendor/product id, and i could check them in my modern pci.ids file |
| 01:39.56 | Nyle | indeed |
| 01:39.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:40.21 | yazid | Nyle: the kde in that is prehistoric. the documentation is on stone tablets not include with the netinstall CDs. and kernel 2.2.20 had paper tape as its original distribution form. what i want to say is: for a modern desktop system, upgrade to sarge ;) |
| 01:40.53 | simonrvn | woody was already old when released. poor thing |
| 01:41.05 | directhex | !comfort woody |
| 01:41.06 | dpkg | There, there, woody. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 01:41.11 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:41.18 | Nyle | how do i do that, i don't have any cds, my cdrom drive sucks, and i can oly boot from floppy or harddisk |
| 01:41.36 | Nyle | i need to get WHICH floppy images? |
| 01:41.43 | Nyle | for a good newer release |
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| 01:41.46 | simonrvn | apt-get and aptitude are your friend |
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| 01:41.56 | simonrvn | as well as your favourite text editor |
| 01:42.02 | yazid | besides, the 2.2.20 or 2.4.18 kernels in original woody have GRAVE security issues |
| 01:42.13 | klx | Nyle, Easiest solution ... Buy new cd-rom ;p |
| 01:42.14 | yazid | Nyle: you can upgrade, no need to reinstall |
| 01:42.16 | simonrvn | if he didn't add security.d.o anyway |
| 01:42.28 | Nyle | klx, you wanna pay for it? |
| 01:42.31 | Mskl | anyone got a site url for apt db sql? |
| 01:42.45 | klx | Nyle, eieiei |
| 01:42.45 | klx | :) |
| 01:42.51 | Nyle | yeh, thats what i thought |
| 01:42.51 | simonrvn | Mskl: english please? |
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| 01:43.12 | simonrvn | Mskl: oh, i think i know what you want |
| 01:43.19 | simonrvn | @your factoids |
| 01:43.20 | ravenbird | dpkg/apt's factoids are at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg. mine aren't on the web yet |
| 01:43.32 | simonrvn | Mskl: ^^^ |
| 01:43.36 | Mskl | thanks |
| 01:43.37 | Nyle | so which one are the newer floppy images i can use to reinstall with |
| 01:43.38 | debianist | can anybody suggest what would be the right way to duplicate a VCD? i've tried K3B and it says everything went fine, but the cd won't play on the VCD machine |
| 01:43.52 | Nyle | or how do i upgrade |
| 01:43.56 | simonrvn | Nyle: you do not need to reinstall. this isn't redhat or windoze |
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| 01:44.05 | simonrvn | Nyle: edit sources.list |
| 01:44.08 | green_earz | Nyle: bookmark the link its should help with installing debian > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=2016&page=11 |
| 01:44.11 | simonrvn | @woody->sarge |
| 01:44.13 | Bacat | quit |
| 01:44.19 | simonrvn | @woody>sarge |
| 01:44.22 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:44.23 | simonrvn | !woody->sarge |
| 01:44.37 | Seg_Fault | debianist: you should be able to make an ISO image just doing 'dd if=/dev/cdrom os=image.iso' and then you can just burn that. |
| 01:44.45 | simonrvn | @listkeys sarge |
| 01:44.47 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'sarge' by key (13 shown): sarge sources.list ;; woody->sarge ;; sarge perl ;; sid->sarge ;; sarge ;; sarge->woody ;; sarge install guide ;; install sarge ;; perl busted in sarge ;; sarge->sid ;; sarge pool ;; sarge cd ;; sarge bet. |
| 01:45.03 | simonrvn | !listkeys sarge |
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| 01:45.04 | yazid | even 2.4.26 HAS some holes, but upon reading the advisory, only one looks like one that could really aid a root compromise, and would need either physical access to the machine or an accessible cd burner WITH MEDIUM or maybe a loaded floppy drive in fstab with "auto" filesystem type |
| 01:45.05 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'sarge' by key (15 shown; 32 total): sarge cd ;; sarge install guide ;; gnome2 sarge ;; sarge pool 2 ;; sarge release ;; sarge pool 3 ;; gnome sarge ;; woody->sarge ;; sarge losers 3 ;; sarge bet #DEL# ;; sarge vs testing ;; ufficial sarge ;; sarge pool 4 ;; sargebet #DEL# ;; !sarge. |
| 01:45.10 | klx | Nyle, don't forget to run lilo after you finish major upgrade |
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| 01:45.23 | simonrvn | dpkg: woody->sarge |
| 01:45.23 | dpkg | woody->sarge is probably edit /etc/apt/sources.list, changing all non-local mentions of "woody" or "stable" to "sarge". Then "apt-get update" and "apt-get dist-upgrade". This upgrade is not painless (yet). |
| 01:45.28 | debianist | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.43 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:45.49 | Nyle | so what dpkg said shoudl work? |
| 01:45.59 | simonrvn | dpkg: woody->sarge is also it is less painless, so there |
| 01:46.00 | dpkg | okay, simonrvn |
| 01:46.06 | simonrvn | Nyle: yes |
| 01:46.19 | debianist | Seg_Fault : I have used "Clone MOde" but there's also "Normal Mode" |
| 01:46.35 | klx | My experience with woody->sid upgrade were sometime nightmare. |
| 01:46.45 | simonrvn | Nyle: you can also do testing instead of sarge, but the disadvantage is that you have to o it again if you want to follow sarge |
| 01:47.03 | simonrvn | yazid: try slink->sid |
| 01:47.21 | yazid | simonrvn: theoretically, it would HAVE to work, wouldn't it? |
| 01:47.24 | klx | - -" |
| 01:47.26 | directhex | slink? wuss |
| 01:47.30 | debianist | Seg_Fault : be right back, have to reboot |
| 01:47.31 | directhex | buzz->etch |
| 01:47.48 | simonrvn | or earlier. etch is even around yet |
| 01:47.52 | simonrvn | isn't |
| 01:48.13 | yazid | what was the last libc5 based release? |
| 01:48.23 | simonrvn | !buzz |
| 01:48.23 | dpkg | well, buzz is Debian 1.1, released June 1996 (474 packages, 2.0 kernel, fully ELF, dpkg) |
| 01:48.31 | simonrvn | !hamm |
| 01:48.32 | dpkg | well, hamm is Debian 2.0, released for i386 and m68k (first multi-arch release), or released July 24, 1998 |
| 01:48.36 | simonrvn | !bo |
| 01:48.36 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bo is Debian 1.3, released on June 2, 1997, for the i386 architecture.. Little Bo Peep... as in, the one with the sheep. Bolivia |
| 01:48.36 | directhex | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=debian |
| 01:48.39 | klx | buzz lightyear ;p |
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| 01:48.57 | simonrvn | !slink |
| 01:48.57 | dpkg | Slink (Debian 2.1) was released March 1999. It is no longer supported. Ask me about slink->potato. |
| 01:49.36 | directhex | you missed rex |
| 01:49.47 | simonrvn | i was trying to remember ;) |
| 01:49.50 | simonrvn | !rex |
| 01:49.50 | dpkg | i heard rex is the codename for Debian 1.2, released mid-Dec 1996 |
| 01:49.53 | Nyle | can anyone tell me a good debian sarge mirror |
| 01:49.59 | Nyle | i need the url |
| 01:50.08 | RichiH | Nyle: apt-setup |
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| 01:50.16 | Nyle | all i have is two lines for us.debian.org |
| 01:50.24 | debianist | Seg_Fault : back |
| 01:50.24 | simonrvn | Nyle: same one as you have now, but substitute stable for testing |
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| 01:50.51 | simonrvn | Nyle: sarge doesn't have security updates yet, so comment those out |
| 01:51.13 | simonrvn | Nyle: lastly, subscribe to debian-security-announce mailing list |
| 01:51.49 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:51.53 | Nyle | im insntalling sarge |
| 01:52.01 | Nyle | why are you telling me to install testing |
| 01:52.03 | klx | simonp, what happen when update security with sarge ? |
| 01:52.07 | Nyle | im curious |
| 01:52.09 | klx | sorry |
| 01:52.24 | klx | simonrvn, what happen when update security with sarge ? |
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| 01:53.05 | nvz | ok, heres the link to the lol dudes ;) http://68.185.202.200/loldudes.txt |
| 01:53.14 | simonrvn | Nyle: same thing |
| 01:53.44 | simonrvn | klx: what do you mean? |
| 01:53.48 | directhex | bored, nvz ? |
| 01:53.51 | Nyle | sarge and testing are the same thing? |
| 01:53.51 | nvz | heh |
| 01:53.59 | simonrvn | Nyle: yes |
| 01:54.02 | directhex | Nyle, sarge is in testing, so as it stands, yes |
| 01:54.13 | Nyle | so which is good to install |
| 01:54.16 | directhex | Nyle, when sarge is considered stable, sarge will be stable, and etch will be testing |
| 01:54.17 | simonrvn | Nyle: until sarge is released anyway |
| 01:54.18 | Nyle | sarge or testing |
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| 01:54.45 | nvz | bored directhex? |
| 01:54.49 | Nyle | can somebody give me a link to a good sources.list file that I can just wget into my /etc/apt/ folder |
| 01:54.50 | Nyle | please |
| 01:54.53 | directhex | Nyle, both install the same files. it's a question of whether you want to be bumped onto etch in a few months' time, with 0 security etc, or on the final stable sarge |
| 01:54.55 | klx | simonrvn, You said sarge don't have any security update so what happen if i use sarge and update security ? |
| 01:55.27 | directhex | klx, you don't. apt-get update will throw up a 404 |
| 01:55.32 | Nyle | so which is better to install testing or sarge, and why? |
| 01:55.35 | shwag | anyone know of a WYSIWYG CSS creation tool for linux ? |
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| 01:55.48 | Led_Zeppelin | is it possible to send attachments via CLI? |
| 01:55.48 | directhex | Nyle, how was that not clear? |
| 01:55.52 | Led_Zeppelin | using mail? |
| 01:56.03 | klx | directhex, thx ;p |
| 01:56.09 | yazid | how would one build stylesheets WYSYWIG?! |
| 01:56.12 | Nyle | bumped onto etch... final stable sarge.. those confused me |
| 01:56.22 | simonrvn | sarge is released -> it is then known as stable, the security updates will be in full force, etch is then testing, built from stuff in sid after it has gone through the usual "10 days without RC bugs" phase, and sid stays sid, like the bugger kid it is |
| 01:56.24 | Nyle | what do you mean |
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| 01:56.47 | Random-832 | Nyle: when sarge is released, do you still want to be running sarge, or do you want to be running the next version after sarge? |
| 01:57.06 | simonrvn | klx: you'll be getting Release files, that's all, at least until security team starts updating stuff for sarge |
| 01:57.08 | Nyle | next version |
| 01:57.08 | klx | I prefer sid anyway |
| 01:57.24 | Random-832 | then set it to testing |
| 01:57.25 | klx | oh |
| 01:57.25 | nvz | peterS: did you have a look at my lol dudes? |
| 01:57.27 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:57.30 | Nyle | there we go |
| 01:57.34 | peterS | nvz: I just got in. so, no |
| 01:57.34 | directhex | Nyle, testing is sarge. sarge is testing. until such a time that sarge leaves the testing period, and is rubber stamped for release. at that point sarge will not be testing anymore. it gains security, and loses package version bumps. right now, there's no difference. in a month or so, if you have "sarge" set you're on stable, solid, sarge. if you have "testing" set, as soon as sarge becomes stable, you're moved to the new fledgeling replacemen |
| 01:57.34 | directhex | t in testing, etc. |
| 01:57.36 | Nyle | finally, my question gets answered |
| 01:57.37 | Nyle | cheers |
| 01:57.46 | yazid | maybe better to put sarge in there, better to have to explicitly bump later than to have a nice time bomb |
| 01:57.47 | nvz | peterS: http://68.185.202.200/loldudes.txt |
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| 01:58.06 | Random-832 | yazid: how much does "testing" change from day-before-release to day-after-release, though? |
| 01:58.19 | simonrvn | Random-832: oh boy... |
| 01:58.50 | nvz | peterS: bringing you some variety |
| 01:58.52 | Random-832 | simonrvn: huh? i asked him what he wanted, he said it, so i told him how to acheive that - he _does_ want to be bumped to etch when sarge is released |
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| 01:59.07 | peterS | nvz: the second one should have (,) in the middle |
| 01:59.12 | nvz | heh |
| 01:59.28 | Nyle | can you mount an *.iso image with the kernel at boot time? |
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| 01:59.39 | Nyle | say for systems without cdroms or floppies |
| 01:59.39 | simonrvn | Random-832: i have no problem with what you said - my "oh boy..." was the "yazid: how much does "testing" change from day-before-release to day-after-release, though?" |
| 01:59.44 | peterS | Nyle: in order to boot the kernel from an iso image? |
| 01:59.46 | peterS | Nyle: no |
| 01:59.51 | Random-832 | ah - well, what's the answer to my question? |
| 01:59.58 | peterS | Nyle: you can certainly mount such an image *after* you've booted |
| 02:00.05 | Nyle | no, in order to boot the iso image after the kernel is booted |
| 02:00.06 | Random-832 | i know everything in 'stable' changes on release day |
| 02:00.29 | Random-832 | but i thought 'testing' was a continuous entity that is merely a safe distance behind unstable |
| 02:00.32 | nvz | peterS: I took time to consider the different ways people will write it.. first got the idea when I seen people doing the *lol* and thought up the lol cheerleader |
| 02:00.33 | Nyle | if i can do that i'll just download the debian isos and boot from those |
| 02:00.39 | Nyle | i already have a working linux system |
| 02:00.48 | peterS | nvz: I do like the lol cheerleader |
| 02:00.58 | simonrvn | Random-832: testing is also changed from what it was |
| 02:01.11 | Random-832 | in what way [brb, but still listening] |
| 02:01.14 | directhex | Nyle, for those situations, there's PXEBOOT, for booting the installer overa network |
| 02:01.22 | peterS | Nyle: booting linux from linux requires a patch known as 'kexec'. google for that. it was formerly known as 'Two Kernel Monte' |
| 02:01.56 | directhex | Nyle, the situations where you have machines with no network connection, nor floppy, nor cdrom, are fairly infrequent. there's also usb stick installing, for usb machines |
| 02:02.38 | nvz | his damn laptop still got some kind of proxy directing weather applet requests at my webserver |
| 02:02.40 | simonrvn | Random-832: there used to be only stable and testing (?, correct me if i'm wrong) then sid came along, aka unstable, and changed the 'stable/testing' dynamic |
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| 02:02.51 | Nyle | u nkow whe in try to run apt-get and install a package it tells me stuff like ./tar blah file is blah s in the future |
| 02:03.03 | simonrvn | Nyle: your date is off |
| 02:03.07 | Nyle | how do i fix it |
| 02:03.08 | Nyle | in bios |
| 02:03.09 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:03.15 | simonrvn | man date |
| 02:03.32 | cafuego | ooh, simonrvn is on a mandate! |
| 02:03.36 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:03.46 | simonrvn | date -s "(put today's date here)", then set the time |
| 02:03.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 02:04.46 | Random-832 | simonrvn: that doesn't make it clear what updates appear in testing on release day that would not appear if it were not the day of a release |
| 02:04.51 | Nyle | give me an example |
| 02:04.54 | Nyle | what format for the date |
| 02:04.58 | Nyle | man page is confusing |
| 02:05.02 | nvz | peterS: heh, and the two lined *lol* cheerleader doing a split _|_ heh |
| 02:05.03 | Nyle | is got so many switche |
| 02:05.18 | peterS | nvz: ha |
| 02:05.20 | Random-832 | Nyle: date -s "(put today's date here in any format you can imagine)" |
| 02:05.22 | nvz | was going for a hurkie or whatever but it doesnt look right |
| 02:05.42 | Nyle | like date -s 10/09/2004 |
| 02:05.43 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:05.44 | Random-832 | date -s 1 hour, date -s yesterday, date -s 21:05 |
| 02:05.55 | Random-832 | first do date -d "your test string" to make sure it's parsing correctly |
| 02:05.59 | simonrvn | Random-832: i don't remember that bit, ask someone who knows more about release day. i've only been through one ;P |
| 02:06.05 | peterS | nvz: I see your _|_ and raise to _ï_ |
| 02:06.18 | nvz | ooo |
| 02:06.22 | peterS | nvz: or, if you are utf-8-enabled, _ï_ |
| 02:06.24 | simonrvn | i raise you both by a ,.|.. |
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| 02:06.33 | Nyle | ok hold on Random-832 |
| 02:06.34 | nvz | peterS: that would be a male cheerleader I think |
| 02:06.42 | nvz | the .. is disturbing |
| 02:06.44 | Random-832 | simonrvn: well, there's only been one since stable/testing was started |
| 02:06.51 | peterS | nvz: the umlaut was not intended to be a male feature |
| 02:06.53 | simonrvn | Random-832: yes true |
| 02:06.55 | Random-832 | so what changed on release day between testing/woody and testing/sarge |
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| 02:07.40 | Nyle | ok date -d 10/09/2004 worked |
| 02:07.41 | Nyle | now what |
| 02:07.54 | Random-832 | now date -s [that same string] |
| 02:07.55 | simonrvn | Random-832: i rememeber there was more fuss about it in irc and email than there was in the actual packages, but upgrading potato->woody was sometimes a real pain |
| 02:08.05 | nvz | peterS: I take it I am not utf8 enabled, what would that take? I normally compile in 437 or whatever, the 8859-1, and utf8 codesets in the kernel |
| 02:08.17 | Random-832 | simonrvn: i'm talking about upgrading woody->sarge on woody release day |
| 02:08.36 | directhex | nvz, ask your irc client whether it uses utf-8. xchat certainly does. |
| 02:08.36 | peterS | nvz: _Ï_ or _ï_, depending on your font, then |
| 02:08.37 | Random-832 | nvz: application-dependent |
| 02:08.51 | nvz | I am using Irssi 0.8.9 |
| 02:08.53 | peterS | directhex: xchat does even if your locale is not utf-8? |
| 02:08.58 | nvz | afaik |
| 02:09.01 | Nyle | Random-832 after date -s 10/09/2004 now what |
| 02:09.11 | simonrvn | Random-832: back then it was very borken, hence dpkg's stored comment about "it's not painless (yet)" |
| 02:09.13 | Random-832 | Nyle: that sets your system date - what were you trying to accomplish again? |
| 02:09.23 | directhex | peterS, the default is "system default", with a drop-down box on a per-server basis to select a different locale. my system is utf-8 though. |
| 02:09.34 | Nyle | stop the error thats tells me during package installation that blah file is blah seconds in the future |
| 02:09.45 | peterS | nvz: type "locale" - the variables will likely either end in .ISO-8859-1 or .UTF-8 |
| 02:09.49 | simonrvn | Nyle: it should |
| 02:09.52 | Random-832 | directhex: what all is involved in making your system a "utf-8 system" |
| 02:09.53 | simonrvn | Nyle: :) |
| 02:09.55 | Nyle | how do i set the system time |
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| 02:10.04 | Random-832 | Nyle: date -s 21:10 |
| 02:10.05 | Nyle | simon and rest of the guys, thanks a whole lot man |
| 02:10.08 | Nyle | ya'll are gerat |
| 02:10.13 | Random-832 | date has a _very_ flexible syntax in the date string |
| 02:10.15 | simonrvn | Nyle: you do the same but set the time instead of th date |
| 02:10.30 | nvz | peterS: the LC_ALL= nothing, but the rest are all POSIX |
| 02:10.30 | Nyle | what is central time right now |
| 02:10.31 | directhex | Random-832, using a utf-8 locale, using apps which can handle utf-8 filenames, and wrestling with samba's aversion to utf-8 |
| 02:10.33 | Nyle | i don't have a clock |
| 02:10.34 | Random-832 | i haven't met a reasonable string it refused to interpret correctly |
| 02:10.39 | peterS | Nyle: /sbin/hwclock --systohc |
| 02:10.43 | simonrvn | Nyle: then you might want to do hwclock --systohc after you,re sure it's ok |
| 02:11.03 | Random-832 | simonrvn: doesn't it do that on shutdown? |
| 02:11.08 | peterS | nvz: ahh. so, no non-ASCII chars defined. I bet apps, when they see 8-bit chars, will tend to render them as iso-8859-1, then |
| 02:11.29 | directhex | Random-832, the trick is -o iocharset=utf8,codepage=unicode,unicode |
| 02:11.32 | simonrvn | Random-832: yes, but i prefer to take care of it then while i'm doing that task |
| 02:11.39 | Nyle | ok did the systohc thing |
| 02:11.40 | Nyle | now what |
| 02:11.42 | Nyle | is if fixed? |
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| 02:11.54 | simonrvn | should be if it was successful |
| 02:11.55 | Random-832 | Nyle: should be - hit "date" no arguments to see what time your system thinks it is |
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| 02:12.46 | nvz | peterS: no idea I think I am gonna change it do I need to be root and reconfigure the locales package or is there some other way? |
| 02:12.52 | Nyle | it says 00:4:05 |
| 02:12.58 | Nyle | thats not the right time |
| 02:13.07 | Random-832 | what time did you tell it? |
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| 02:13.15 | peterS | nvz: yeah, "dpkg-reconfigure locales" to make sure you *have* the locale you want |
| 02:13.25 | Nyle | its 9:15 pm central |
| 02:13.26 | Random-832 | were you root when you did the date -s commands? |
| 02:13.31 | Nyle | yeh i was |
| 02:13.35 | Random-832 | hmm |
| 02:13.38 | peterS | nvz: you can set a system-wide default there, or you can set the LANG variable in your .xsession or .bash_profile or whatever |
| 02:13.56 | Random-832 | what is the output of "date -s 9:13PM; date" |
| 02:14.11 | directhex | god almighty i need sleep. tata. |
| 02:14.11 | Nyle | nm i fixed it |
| 02:14.13 | Nyle | sorry |
| 02:14.27 | nvz | peterS: if I set this with dpkg-reconfigure will I have to restart screen and irssi? |
| 02:14.30 | Nyle | i had typed date -s 10/09/04 hehehe |
| 02:14.36 | peterS | nvz: yes |
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| 02:14.46 | peterS | nvz: you'd have to restart them in order to change the locale in any case |
| 02:14.49 | Random-832 | you have to set the time after the date if you don't set them at the same time |
| 02:15.08 | Random-832 | incidentally you may want to set up ntpdate |
| 02:15.32 | simonrvn | ntp-simple/ntp-server |
| 02:15.43 | nvz | peterS: yeah, I am gonna change that on the box I am using irssi on, and plug this one back into the monitor which will require me to reboot it. I'll be back in about 3 minutes |
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| 02:16.52 | Nyle | how does one go about getting colors in console mode where directories files links and other thigns are color coded? |
| 02:17.57 | Seg_Fault | Nyle: ls --color |
| 02:17.58 | Seg_Fault | ? |
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| 02:18.05 | Seg_Fault | there's a 'dircolors' file somewhere in /etc i think |
| 02:18.46 | Nyle | how can i make it so that every time i do a ls it colors the files |
| 02:19.08 | Seg_Fault | Nyle: put the following line into /etc/profile or /etc/bashrc or something: alias ls='ls --color' |
| 02:19.13 | Random-832 | set an alias |
| 02:19.24 | stew | ls --color=auto is better |
| 02:19.38 | Random-832 | i think --color is --color=auto, actually |
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| 02:20.09 | stew | Random-832: nope |
| 02:20.22 | stew | Random-832: --color = --color=always |
| 02:20.58 | Random-832 | there should be a LS environment variable so you don't have to mess with aliases |
| 02:21.20 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: patch & submit, baby! |
| 02:21.49 | Random-832 | but if it's not a standard then it's useless [there are other options i would like in it including on non-gnu systems] |
| 02:21.53 | Seg_Fault | linux should have a registry file where all the various settings for each app can go |
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| 02:22.04 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: it's called /proc/self/environ |
| 02:22.13 | Nyle | ok anyway, i got a diff problem now, i did sarge, then atp-get update and dist-upgrade now its asking me to run lilo or something. i want to leave the mbr as it is, loading up ntldr, i want to make a boto floppy so that i can boot with it and have my debian system up |
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| 02:22.28 | Eric26 | why do i have the Add printer button disabled in KDE? |
| 02:22.41 | Random-832 | Nyle: why not put lilo on the partition? |
| 02:22.42 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: what the hell is that? i've never seen that before |
| 02:22.58 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: that's the "file" where you can see the environment variables ;P |
| 02:23.09 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: no no that's not what i meant |
| 02:23.35 | Random-832 | Nyle: you can put lilo on the partition, let ntldr select the partition (are you allowed to chain loaders with ntldr as the first one?) |
| 02:23.43 | Seg_Fault | i was thinking like... one centralized, standardized facility with environment variables. similar to what the windows registry does, y'know. |
| 02:24.03 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: basically a big xml file or something where each app can store its own settings |
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| 02:24.11 | Seg_Fault | i realize it's a stupid idea |
| 02:24.36 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: like gconf? |
| 02:24.46 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: yeah but not as... i don't know, ew. |
| 02:25.01 | Random-832 | what's "ew" about gconf that's not inherently "ew" to the whole idea? |
| 02:25.04 | Nyle | well after the upgrade of dist its asking me to run lilo, should i run it or not. it says this procedure will write date in your mbr. i want i tto be written on the linux partition |
| 02:25.10 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: yeah, good point. that's why it's a stupid idea= ] |
| 02:25.20 | Seg_Fault | i'm just sick of chasing .rc files and stuff |
| 02:25.22 | Random-832 | at least it's xml - the windows registry is a binary database |
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| 02:25.29 | Seg_Fault | true |
| 02:25.47 | Random-832 | i wish more stuff was configurable in gnome |
| 02:25.53 | Random-832 | i can't turn off solid window dragging |
| 02:25.55 | Nyle | by the way its a 9 gig partition im using |
| 02:26.15 | Random-832 | Nyle: edit lilo.conf |
| 02:26.18 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: you could always switch back to sawfish. metacity was put in to reduce the number of options the user had to deal with |
| 02:26.40 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: but it's not just metacity. it's all of gnome |
| 02:26.49 | Random-832 | i can't get sidebars turned back on in nautilus |
| 02:26.52 | Nyle | ok |
| 02:26.57 | Nyle | well i chose not to run lilo |
| 02:27.05 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: hehehe, nice. that would be a gtk option i believe. |
| 02:27.22 | Random-832 | Nyle: edit lilo.conf not to modify the MBR, and then run it manually |
| 02:27.28 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 02:27.31 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: how do i do this, and where can i find a list of secret gnome options? |
| 02:27.35 | Nyle | in etc/lilo.conf |
| 02:27.35 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:27.41 | Random-832 | and why ISN'T it an app option? |
| 02:28.07 | Random-832 | Nyle: yes, i believe |
| 02:28.13 | Random-832 | i don't use lilo |
| 02:28.15 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: i think the scroll bar thing depends on your theme... so you would look at your theme's particular gtkrc file. and it's not an app option to keep the look unified. |
| 02:28.23 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: not scroll bars |
| 02:28.24 | Random-832 | sidebar |
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| 02:28.28 | Seg_Fault | side bar? |
| 02:28.31 | Random-832 | like in explorer on windows |
| 02:28.35 | Seg_Fault | oooh |
| 02:28.36 | Seg_Fault | that |
| 02:28.38 | Seg_Fault | yeah |
| 02:28.41 | Seg_Fault | that's in nautilus |
| 02:28.42 | Seg_Fault | =] |
| 02:28.52 | Random-832 | i've seen screenshts with them, but i can't find the option! |
| 02:29.01 | Seg_Fault | it's scary i know all this, not having used nautilus or gnome or anything in eons |
| 02:29.02 | GregorR | Blech |
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| 02:29.08 | Nyle | what am I editing in the lilo.conf? |
| 02:29.12 | Seg_Fault | and by eons, i mean... a few months |
| 02:29.15 | Random-832 | and if it's gone |
| 02:29.24 | Random-832 | then why would they _delete_ a feature rather than making it off-by-default? |
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| 02:30.15 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: miguel de icaza (or whatever his name is, the guy who leads the gnome project) and his cohorts tend to be against feature ubiquity. they think too many options is a bad thing. |
| 02:30.25 | Random-832 | that's stupid. |
| 02:30.40 | Random-832 | and if a feature should be hte same for everyone, it shouldn't be the more graphically expensive option |
| 02:30.41 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: yeah, that's why i stopped using gnome |
| 02:30.44 | Seg_Fault | well that and the memory footprint |
| 02:30.50 | Random-832 | some computers can't handle solid window dragging with any speed |
| 02:30.57 | Seg_Fault | true |
| 02:31.01 | Random-832 | i should switch to kde |
| 02:31.04 | Seg_Fault | ... |
| 02:31.13 | Seg_Fault | that's like fighting crabs by lighting your pubic hair on fire. |
| 02:31.18 | Random-832 | ... |
| 02:31.20 | Random-832 | what's wrong with kde? |
| 02:31.27 | Seg_Fault | it's insanely resource hoggy |
| 02:31.30 | Seg_Fault | and it's too shiny |
| 02:31.32 | Seg_Fault | blindingly so |
| 02:31.37 | Jacobo221 | where does debian store the default ls --colours values? |
| 02:31.42 | Random-832 | resource intensiveness isn't what i'm trying to combat about gnome. |
| 02:31.50 | Seg_Fault | Jacobo221: 'dircolors', somewhere in /etc |
| 02:31.51 | Random-832 | and i can make kde not-shiny. |
| 02:31.56 | Jacobo221 | Seg_Fault: ok |
| 02:31.59 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: i guess that's true |
| 02:32.01 | GregorR | Yeah, KDE doesn't run too well on the 200mHz machines we all have. |
| 02:32.04 | Random-832 | what's "shiny" about it anyway? |
| 02:32.13 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: the default theem |
| 02:32.13 | Random-832 | GregorR: i have a 900mhz machine. |
| 02:32.14 | Seg_Fault | theme |
| 02:32.15 | GregorR | Which is why we can't use it, because we have 200mHz machines and 20MB RAM, with a 1GB HD |
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| 02:32.18 | Nyle | what am i editing in lilo.conf to make it not install to mbr |
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| 02:32.24 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: well, the gnome default theme is too flat |
| 02:32.25 | GregorR | Random-832: I was being sarcastic ;) |
| 02:32.27 | Seg_Fault | GregorR: don't sass me, boy! |
| 02:32.31 | GregorR | Everybody's too uppity about resources. |
| 02:32.35 | GregorR | WE HAVE THE F*ING RESOURCES |
| 02:32.39 | Random-832 | Nyle: i haven o idea - who in here knows anything about lilo? |
| 02:32.49 | Seg_Fault | hehe GregorR yeah it only became an issue after i started using my 500MHz laptop |
| 02:32.55 | GregorR | Ahh X-D |
| 02:32.58 | Seg_Fault | i know a little |
| 02:33.03 | Random-832 | can someone tell Nyle how to make lilo not install to the MBR? |
| 02:33.07 | Random-832 | i have no clue about lilo.conf |
| 02:33.12 | GregorR | Nyle: Change 'boot=/dev/hda' (or whatever) |
| 02:33.18 | GregorR | Nyle: To say something like 'boot=/dev/hda1' |
| 02:33.23 | GregorR | Or whatever your root partition is. |
| 02:33.32 | GregorR | But then you'll have to make whatever bootloader you have find it. |
| 02:33.34 | Random-832 | whatever your _boot_ partition is, if different from root |
| 02:33.39 | nvz | ok lay that utf-8 on me heh ;) |
| 02:33.48 | Random-832 | anyone know how to chain loaders with NTLDR? i've heard it can be done |
| 02:33.54 | initech | GregorR: bloated, disgusting KDE does not work on my 286 8Mhz |
| 02:33.56 | GregorR | But generally you'd want your boot partition to either be NBR or your root partition. |
| 02:33.56 | Random-832 | and he wants to use ntldr for who knows why reason |
| 02:34.05 | Nyle | ok right now it says for boot/root /dev/hda3 which is correct |
| 02:34.15 | GregorR | initech: Doesn't work on my 100mHz laptop either, but I still use it on my 2.6gHz box X-D |
| 02:34.18 | Seg_Fault | Nyle: with ntldr you're probably on your own |
| 02:34.23 | Nyle | because this is not my persoal computer and my parents and family use xp |
| 02:34.31 | GregorR | My 286, I like that :P |
| 02:34.38 | GregorR | The 286 that can't run Linux anyway :p |
| 02:34.39 | Nyle | i never asked about ntldr |
| 02:34.51 | nvz | Nyle: in soviet russia, XP uses your parents and family |
| 02:34.54 | Nyle | i use grub to load floppy images to do a netinst |
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| 02:34.56 | GregorR | Nyle: You might want to put your lilo boot on a disk or whatnot. |
| 02:35.01 | Nyle | i can use that to load this too |
| 02:35.03 | GregorR | nvz: Naah, that's right here int he USA |
| 02:35.09 | Seg_Fault | Nyle: oh, right, floppy disk. shouldn't be too hard to do. you can just load the kernel onto a floppy directly |
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| 02:35.23 | Seg_Fault | and look at 'rdev' to specify root partition and stuff |
| 02:35.24 | GregorR | Seg_Fault: .......no........... |
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| 02:35.33 | Nyle | exactly |
| 02:35.40 | Nyle | for someone like me that is a task accomplished |
| 02:35.43 | Seg_Fault | GregorR: oh come on, dd is your friend =] |
| 02:35.47 | GregorR | X-D |
| 02:35.53 | GregorR | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda |
| 02:36.05 | Random-832 | Seg_Fault: i thought 2.6 kernels no longer did the floppy thing |
| 02:36.06 | GregorR | Or the more fun and (slightly) less destructive: |
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| 02:36.09 | GregorR | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram |
| 02:36.13 | Seg_Fault | well if you're that dumb you deserve having your friends stab you in the back -=] |
| 02:36.15 | Gumby | anyone in here know if there is a way to track IP addresses using gaim? |
| 02:36.18 | GregorR | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:36.29 | Random-832 | GregorR: gaim can't normally see ip addresses on most protocols |
| 02:36.32 | Seg_Fault | Gumby: no. |
| 02:36.39 | GregorR | Gumby: Well, considering that there isn't a way with the AIM protocol, I'm going to say no. |
| 02:36.40 | Seg_Fault | GregorR: oh, might be, i haven't heard anything about that. |
| 02:36.55 | risky | Random-832, not sure someone else answered your question, but to enable sidebars on nautilus you have to configure it through gconf |
| 02:36.57 | Gumby | gaim doesnt use only aim protocol |
| 02:36.57 | Zap-W | i can see IP address in Licq just fine |
| 02:37.09 | GregorR | Seg_Fault: Yeah, I guess I wouldn't be surprised if AOL was that F*'d up :P |
| 02:37.10 | Seg_Fault | Gumby: ask in #gaim |
| 02:37.17 | Gumby | no, I am asking here :) |
| 02:37.23 | Zap-W | even the LAN IP address if the ICQ client is behind NAT |
| 02:37.33 | Seg_Fault | GregorR: hm? I mean I haven't heard anything about 2.6 screwing with bootable-ness |
| 02:37.36 | risky | apps - nautilus - preferences - always_use_browser |
| 02:37.54 | Seg_Fault | Nyle: setting up a grub floppy is fairly easy |
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| 02:37.57 | Seg_Fault | i can walk you through that |
| 02:37.58 | Random-832 | there should be an advanced control panel for gnome |
| 02:38.04 | Random-832 | sometihng like a "gtweakui" |
| 02:38.06 | risky | And generally if you want to change some setting that you can't find easily but you think should be there use gconf |
| 02:38.17 | Random-832 | ok |
| 02:38.22 | risky | Most of that advanced configuration is there |
| 02:38.29 | Random-832 | how do i tell metacity to use a different font for the titlebar? i've searched gconf |
| 02:38.44 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: that, again, should be a gtk option |
| 02:38.48 | Gumby | grrr, I hate channels that make you identify with nickserv before they let you speak |
| 02:38.50 | Random-832 | no, it's a metacity option |
| 02:38.53 | Random-832 | and it was there in 2.4 |
| 02:39.01 | risky | For that you can use the Font configuration |
| 02:39.01 | Random-832 | but they took away the metacity control panel |
| 02:39.14 | Gumby | even more, I hate the people that have been jerks in irc channels that have made this a requirement sometimes |
| 02:39.14 | Random-832 | font configuration lets you pick the font, but it doesn't let you enable "using a different font" |
| 02:39.39 | risky | I don't understand what you want then |
| 02:39.55 | Random-832 | risky: i want to turn on the option in metacity that allows you to select in the font control panel a titlebar font |
| 02:40.07 | Random-832 | hte "titlebar font" option in the font properties control panel is grayed out because the option is turned off |
| 02:40.14 | risky | Ah, yours is greyed out too? |
| 02:40.16 | Random-832 | yes |
| 02:40.17 | risky | I just noticed that |
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| 02:40.23 | risky | I used to do it there too |
| 02:40.30 | Random-832 | there is a metacity option to enable it that was present in gnome 2.4 but seems to be missing from 2.6 |
| 02:40.46 | Random-832 | every release they take away more options, and i can't find the gconf key |
| 02:40.53 | risky | Are you using gnome-2.8? |
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| 02:42.37 | Seg_Fault | Random-832: fight the good fight! car bomb the meta city developers! |
| 02:43.00 | Random-832 | meh - i know the option's still there, i just can't find it |
| 02:43.17 | risky | I see something in my gconf that says: titlebar_uses_system_font, and after unchecking it I can select the font |
| 02:43.23 | risky | I guess your gconf should have it too |
| 02:43.26 | Random-832 | where is that? |
| 02:43.38 | risky | It's under the metacity section in gconf |
| 02:43.48 | Random-832 | ok |
| 02:43.48 | risky | apps - metacity - general |
| 02:43.51 | Random-832 | how did i miss that? |
| 02:44.00 | risky | :p |
| 02:44.07 | nvz | I wouldnt ever go so low as to see whats _under_ megashitty |
| 02:44.11 | Random-832 | still no excuse for taking away the control panel |
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| 02:44.22 | Seg_Fault | nvz: oooooh that's a good one |
| 02:44.27 | Spencer | I'm wanting to install Apache2 with PHP and MySQL (I already have Apache2). What would my apt-get install command look like? Is this correct: apt-get install apache2 --with-php --with-mysql |
| 02:44.28 | Seg_Fault | the other kids on the playground must've bust a gut |
| 02:44.35 | nvz | I'd just clean it up, throw it away and move on |
| 02:44.44 | risky | I don't see what's so wrong with it |
| 02:44.59 | risky | But then again, I haven't seen the code or anything |
| 02:45.05 | Seg_Fault | Spencer: you'd probably want to do 'apt-get source apache2' and then compile it with the options you want |
| 02:45.11 | Jacobo221 | so, when will ls --color=auto display a coloured list and when not? |
| 02:45.26 | Seg_Fault | Jacobo221: if ls thinks your term can't handle it |
| 02:45.32 | Seg_Fault | it won't display colors |
| 02:45.43 | Jacobo221 | Seg_Fault: oh, ok :) thanks agin |
| 02:45.46 | Seg_Fault | sure |
| 02:45.59 | Spencer | Seg_Fault: thanks |
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| 02:46.30 | klx | Yesterday , I tried FEDORA core 2 and I found it have Exec-sheild and other good security mechenism like drop eid of /bin/sh. My Question Is How could I Have Exec-Sheild and Hardening-Compiler In My debian BOX .I have seen "kernel-patch-exec-shield" package Do i need to install them? thx |
| 02:47.51 | risky | For a desktop system klx? |
| 02:48.27 | klx | risky:yes |
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| 02:49.29 | risky | ah, was gonna recommend you adamantix if it was for a server, but it doesn't have X so I don't think it'll be too useful for a desktop |
| 02:49.49 | risky | but you could start looking at how they've done it I guess |
| 02:50.34 | klx | risky:- -" |
| 02:51.03 | risky | so, what's that? :p |
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| 02:51.37 | klx | risky: thanks , adamantrix based on debian? |
| 02:51.45 | risky | yeap, stable tho |
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| 02:51.56 | risky | and not all of it either |
| 02:52.08 | klx | risky:err stable |
| 02:52.57 | klx | risky:thx anyway :) |
| 02:53.17 | risky | np klx |
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| 02:56.30 | prostat | Hi, I cannot boot my linux box up. This is because ppp is running and cannot connect to the device it used to connect to. I wish to remove ppp for init.d but dont know how too from here. I have started the box using 'linux init=/bin/sh', and attempted to mount the fs as rw - but i cant seem to do it. Anyone have any ideas? As far as I see it can be tackled in 3 different ways, I just dont know the solutions. |
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| 02:58.10 | Nyle | how do i install lilo to floppy drive |
| 02:58.35 | tcsetattr | prostat, mount -o remount -w / ; rm /etc/rc*.d/S*ppp* |
| 02:58.53 | prostat | Trying. |
| 02:59.04 | tcsetattr | Nyle, have you tried mkboot? |
| 02:59.33 | Nyle | thanks |
| 02:59.33 | risky | you can move that file /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot too I think prostat |
| 02:59.49 | risky | if that's how you did it in the first place that is |
| 03:00.52 | prostat | tcsetattr,'s solution may have worked. I got no error message. Testing, with fingers crossed. |
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| 03:01.59 | risky | the bad thing about it is that you're gonna have to reinstall ppp if you wanna use ppp on boot again |
| 03:02.23 | Nyle | ok, say i have grub for nt installed and thats how i did a floppy netinst. Now how can I make it to boot this debian linux through it, what do I add as kernel and root |
| 03:02.24 | prostat | The machine is buggered. I just need to get in to get my cfg files |
| 03:02.35 | prostat | or I will be twice buggered. |
| 03:02.39 | risky | hehe |
| 03:02.54 | Spencer | What's the command for deleting a non-empty directory? I could only find the command for deleting an empty directory (rmdir <directory name>). |
| 03:03.00 | prostat | Here goes... |
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| 03:03.48 | prostat | ... after a fsck. |
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| 03:06.49 | gamma | what 3rd party taskbars are there in the linucks world? |
| 03:06.53 | BlackJudas | Ok so I asked in #gnome, but I'm impatient: Any way I can ask gnome to auto-maximize a window via command line on startup? (gvim) or is that MetaCity's domain? |
| 03:07.30 | risky | it should be metacity's |
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| 03:08.32 | BlackJudas | Riight, so where do I find docs on mc? :x |
| 03:08.40 | Subvertir | Hey all, what's currently the best place to order some hardware (CPU/mem/hdd) for a US resident? |
| 03:09.11 | sussudio | !tell Subvertir about polls |
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| 03:10.01 | Subvertir | sussudio: duly noted |
| 03:10.30 | useruser_ | Spencer: rm -rf |
| 03:12.00 | Random-832 | gamma: define what a "first party" taskbar is, before you ask that |
| 03:14.10 | prostat | thanks tcsetattr and risky. |
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| 03:14.29 | Jacobo221 | how can I have ls to sort by type (directories at the begining) ? |
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| 03:15.14 | gamma | Random-832: i need a taskbar for openbox |
| 03:15.17 | gamma | . |
| 03:15.32 | Subvertir | I don't think anyone actually sells an ATA/133 drive |
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| 03:16.17 | Nyle | how do I update the kernel. I have 2.2.20 right now. I changed my mirrors to testing/main and updated and dist-upgrade but uname -r still shows 2.2.20. How can I upgrade? |
| 03:17.00 | Cueball | Hi can someone with bandwitdth > 256k download a file from my server to test my connection please? |
| 03:17.06 | ix | is there a shortcut to reinstalling all dependent libs for a package, or are you supposed to do some crazy dance with apt-cache show, sed, and xargs? |
| 03:17.11 | prostat | After you change the subnet in /etc/network/interfaces - how do you restart eth0 ? |
| 03:17.24 | Nyle | i think ifdown eth0 |
| 03:17.27 | Nyle | and then ifup eth0 |
| 03:17.30 | Nyle | i maybe wrong |
| 03:17.32 | Subvertir | ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 |
| 03:17.32 | prostat | thats right, thanks |
| 03:17.39 | prostat | nah, thats familiar |
| 03:18.02 | Nyle | how do I update the kernel. I have 2.2.20 right now. I changed my mirrors to testing/main and updated and dist-upgrade but uname -r still shows 2.2.20. How can I upgrade? |
| 03:18.21 | ix | install a kerne-image-2.x and reboot |
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| 03:18.28 | Nyle | how does one do that |
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| 03:18.42 | ix | apt-cache search kernel image | grep 2.4 (or 2.6) then look for one you want |
| 03:18.47 | risky | Nyle, look for a newer kernel with apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 03:18.54 | Nyle | ahh |
| 03:19.00 | Nyle | so which kernel is better |
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| 03:19.07 | Nyle | 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 03:19.31 | Subvertir | I'm a pretty typical user (KDE/games/etc) and I can't tell much of a diff |
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| 03:20.27 | kitsujin | i was told someone here could help me get my wifi card running on a laptop with debian? |
| 03:20.46 | Nyle | i want a kernel able to work with the intel soundcard that came with my pcv-rx670 sony vaio, hp psc 2410, realtek 8139, firewire1389, ntfs support |
| 03:21.03 | Nyle | 2.4 or 2.6 |
| 03:21.15 | Nyle | oh and nvidia riva tnt2 |
| 03:21.35 | ix | sounds like you want 2.6.8 |
| 03:21.51 | risky | I'd suggest a 2.6 kernel Nyle, if you're on a desktop system |
| 03:21.51 | tcsetattr | do you want fries with that? |
| 03:21.55 | Nyle | on one of the knopix cds it says that kernel 2.6 cannot access nv tnt2 card |
| 03:22.09 | Nyle | thats why I was wondering |
| 03:22.17 | ix | "nv" driver wll likely work. if not theres nvidias binaries |
| 03:22.25 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:22.40 | nevyn | nv will work but no 3d |
| 03:22.52 | nevyn | well only software 3d which is almost the same diff. |
| 03:23.34 | ix | apt-cache depends mozilla-firefox | grep -v Suggest | grep -v Recommend | sed -e 's/..Depends..//' | tr "\n" " " | xargs apt-get install --assume-yes --reinstall |
| 03:23.42 | ix | plese tlel me theres something simpler than that to reinstall all depends.. |
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| 03:24.01 | kitsujin | i have a broadcom wifi card in the laptop, and i dunno how to get it working in debian |
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| 03:24.25 | Nyle | oh man the kernel ilst went by so fast |
| 03:24.38 | ix | nyle add a |grep 2.6.8 |
| 03:24.40 | Nyle | how do i grep it |
| 03:24.42 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 03:24.55 | TJN | Hello, I was just wondering. Is it possible to have 1 HDD with Windoze on a NTFS partition, and Debian on a seperate partition? |
| 03:24.55 | Radiance | kitsujin, you can install the hostap drivers, but just google a howto first |
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| 03:25.06 | kitsujin | ok thanks |
| 03:25.10 | gothtec | TJN: yeah |
| 03:25.14 | ix | yes tjn,. but you cant read/write to NTFS from linux, or read/write to reiser/Ext from windows |
| 03:25.21 | ix | withotu som enasty hacks that will destroy your data. |
| 03:25.29 | TJN | ok. |
| 03:25.33 | TJN | Thanks for the help. |
| 03:25.34 | Seg_Fault | ix: well, there are windows drivers for ext/reiser |
| 03:25.35 | Seg_Fault | but you gotta pay |
| 03:25.37 | ix | your best bet is deleting wnidows, and running windows apps in WINE, then you can r/w your normal linux drives |
| 03:25.50 | gothtec | ix, TJN: ntfs is fine now. rw works |
| 03:25.54 | ix | oh really? |
| 03:25.57 | ix | last i tried, like, 2 days ago |
| 03:25.58 | ix | you couldnt |
| 03:26.03 | ix | you mean captive-ntfs? |
| 03:26.04 | TJN | Is there any special guides I should read about installing Debian? |
| 03:26.07 | Nyle | ok, downloading the kernel right now |
| 03:26.10 | Nyle | you know what though |
| 03:26.22 | Nyle | im kinda liking this console based usage of computer |
| 03:26.25 | Nyle | its pretty cool |
| 03:26.27 | ix | i mean you can moutn ntfs r/w , but then the driver wont even let you touch a file |
| 03:26.31 | ix | its just 'fake' r/w |
| 03:26.32 | Nyle | but I do miss point/click browsing |
| 03:26.36 | prostat | If I have a woody box, and the kernel hasnt been upgraded in donkeys ears, and its my intention to move to unstable.... should i upgrade the kernel first, or dist-upgrade first? |
| 03:26.42 | Seg_Fault | Nyle: you can try 'links -g' |
| 03:26.44 | Subvertir | zipzoomfly.com rules |
| 03:26.44 | Subvertir | thx |
| 03:26.49 | TJN | links -g |
| 03:26.50 | Seg_Fault | it uses framebuffer and gpm |
| 03:26.58 | GregorR | NTFS read/write mounting will only allow you to overwrite the contents of files - not resize, not make new files, not delete, etc. |
| 03:26.59 | risky | captive-ntfs didn't work for you ix? |
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| 03:27.08 | Seg_Fault | links is a text-based web browser, links -g uses frame buffer for graphics |
| 03:27.08 | GregorR | It's for loopback installations. |
| 03:27.17 | GregorR | And captive-ntfs of course allows full read-write. |
| 03:27.22 | GregorR | But it's icky :P |
| 03:27.29 | Subvertir | What's icky about it? |
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| 03:27.49 | TJN | No, I mean I want to have them both seperate, but on the same HDD. Debian doesn't have to read windoze files, and windoze doesnt have to read linux files. |
| 03:27.49 | ThorpAce | how do i change the screen resolution on my computer? |
| 03:27.55 | GregorR | Subvertir: Using Windows drivers under Linux makes me vomit. |
| 03:28.00 | ix | yeh...Captive was broken here. |
| 03:28.08 | ix | and since the license issues prevent it from ever becoming a real pkg...f'it |
| 03:28.12 | Subvertir | GregorR: I had no idea that's what it was...icky =P |
| 03:28.12 | gothtec | prostat: if you have to ask about unstable, you souldn't use it. that's the general rule anyway. use testing. |
| 03:28.21 | GregorR | Heheh |
| 03:28.43 | Subvertir | I just use a fat32 partition for the stuff I wanna share between windows and linux |
| 03:28.46 | Subvertir | it works great. |
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| 03:29.17 | risky | Well, if you're using captive then you're using ntfs, and if you're using ntfs you're most probably running windows... I don't see how you can care about licensing |
| 03:29.46 | Subvertir | I don't think it's so much the licensing as it is the fact that the licensing prevents it from becoming a package |
| 03:29.55 | Subvertir | and the fact that it's not a package means it's a bit of a pain to install |
| 03:30.00 | GregorR | I just don't use Windows. |
| 03:30.01 | GregorR | Works great. |
| 03:30.03 | risky | a debian package you mean? |
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| 03:30.15 | Seg_Fault | GregorR: yeah, but tuxracer only goes so far =] |
| 03:30.16 | Subvertir | sure |
| 03:30.23 | Subvertir | Seg_Fault: Exactly =) |
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| 03:30.33 | ThorpAce | how do i change the screen resolution on my computer? |
| 03:30.39 | Subvertir | I play nwn/ut2k3 in linux, and I own doom 3...but sometimes I need starcraft |
| 03:30.39 | ix | E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (2) on libgcc1 |
| 03:30.46 | Seg_Fault | ThorpAce: a magnetized needle and a very steady hand |
| 03:30.52 | Subvertir | ThorpAce: $EDITOR /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 03:30.54 | useruser_ | ThorpAce: you probably want dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 03:31.01 | Subvertir | that works too |
| 03:31.26 | ThorpAce | useruser> i'll try this again |
| 03:32.11 | TJN | SHould I make 3 partitions, 1 for windows- 79 gig, 1 for Debian- 10 gig, and 1 swap partition- 1 gig |
| 03:32.44 | Subvertir | TJN: Like I said before, I'd make a fat32 partition for games/music/pr0n |
| 03:32.46 | TJN | |
| 03:32.50 | GregorR | I doubt you need a 1GB swap ... |
| 03:32.59 | TJN | how much swap? |
| 03:33.06 | Subvertir | Yah, half the amount of memory you have in swap is a decent rule |
| 03:33.11 | GregorR | I have 500MB and it's way way overkill |
| 03:33.12 | Spencer | Hmmm. If you did "apt-get install <package name>" and you also downloaded the tar.gz from the Internet and installed that, how do you completely remove and uninstall the one you used the apt-get command with? |
| 03:33.28 | GregorR | lol |
| 03:33.29 | Seg_Fault | i'll be damned if i remember why |
| 03:33.45 | Subvertir | "damn, that was supposed to be /usr!" |
| 03:34.06 | Seg_Fault | hehe |
| 03:34.08 | simonrvn | woops =) |
| 03:34.09 | kitsujin | i haven't messed with linux in forever, and am truly lost even trying to find info on how to enable this broadcom wifi card on the laptop, anyone care to show me through it? |
| 03:34.15 | ix | is there a speed hit to putting swap in a file? NT & OS X do that. |
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| 03:34.23 | Seg_Fault | kitsujin: broadcom is generally a lost effort |
| 03:34.28 | Seg_Fault | unless something has changed recently |
| 03:34.32 | Subvertir | ix: why would there be? |
| 03:34.42 | prostat | When the current testing becomes stable, and I am currently using stable in my /etc/apt/sources.list, what happens? |
| 03:34.45 | kitsujin | a friend of mine looked up the card, and he found it to be one of the few that was actually possible to work in debian tho |
| 03:34.47 | ix | Subvertir: donno, maybe additional overhead, guess any of that pales in comparison to the drives physical speed tho |
| 03:34.58 | kitsujin | i cant find the model no now though..it came up during the install of debian, but i cant locate it again |
| 03:35.09 | TJN | what format should the Debian partition be????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 03:35.10 | Subvertir | ix, I'd imagine so |
| 03:35.18 | simonrvn | TJN: what??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? |
| 03:35.18 | useruser_ | prostat: when you next run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade it upgrades your machine to sarge, i believe |
| 03:35.24 | ix | EXT3 or Reiser.??????? XFS??? |
| 03:35.25 | Seg_Fault | TJN: SPEAK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 03:35.26 | simonrvn | @tell TJN about ep |
| 03:35.26 | Subvertir | simonp: HUH?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? |
| 03:35.35 | Seg_Fault | can anybody hear me!?!?!??!?!?!??!??!!! |
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| 03:35.41 | ix | useruser_: dist-upgrade |
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| 03:36.05 | prostat | thanks useruser_ |
| 03:36.07 | TJN | @tell simonrvn about ep |
| 03:36.28 | simonrvn | ... |
| 03:36.37 | Subvertir | hahahaha |
| 03:36.58 | Subvertir | so, like, I bought this new mobo the other day, and in the BIOS it has options for spread spectrum to reduce the amount of EMI the board spews out |
| 03:37.10 | Subvertir | I was like "ANTI-VAN-ECK OPTIONS = PWN" |
| 03:37.28 | Subvertir | then I was like "I read too much neil stephenson =(" |
| 03:37.35 | Subvertir | teh endz0r |
| 03:37.46 | Seg_Fault | lolz! |
| 03:37.50 | BlackJudas | Rufflez! |
| 03:38.00 | BlackJudas | I declare Jihad. |
| 03:38.02 | BlackJudas | Thank you. |
| 03:38.03 | Subvertir | hahaha |
| 03:38.08 | Seg_Fault | tip your waitresses! |
| 03:38.35 | simonrvn | anyone have chapter 10 of o'reilly's "DNS and BIND" 4th edition ? what's it say about TSIG and update-policy and allow-update? |
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| 03:39.12 | risky | Damn, I thought I was the only one saying rufflez |
| 03:39.55 | El_Heffe | Is there a way to pull the bastille scripts without having apt-get try and pull x as well? |
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| 03:40.42 | sciboy | =) |
| 03:40.51 | mree3 | hello.. I want to create my own custom debian cd image to save me time on duplicate installs that I do... can someone recommend a tool or website that can help me with that? |
| 03:41.05 | TJN | @tell TJn about sex |
| 03:41.50 | justin | !+depends bastille |
| 03:41.52 | dpkg | bastille: depends on perl5, libcurses-perl |
| 03:41.55 | TJN | heheh @tell about sex is funny!!!!! |
| 03:42.03 | ApEtc | TJN: use /msg . Also, if you are asking for yourself, just say "foo" not "tell me about foo" |
| 03:42.20 | justin | !tell mree3 about fai |
| 03:42.51 | TJN | doesnt work |
| 03:42.56 | mree3 | yeah, I saw fai |
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| 03:43.10 | mree3 | but the cd creator with it doesnt really work yet |
| 03:43.26 | mree3 | thanks though |
| 03:43.29 | Seg_Fault | mree3: maybe you could manipulate jigdo into helping you out? |
| 03:43.42 | mree3 | thats another idea :) |
| 03:44.03 | justin | making just a custom netinstall iso is easy, extract the iso, add files, reburn |
| 03:44.21 | justin | its a bit more complicated if you want to actually have it install different debs or things automatically |
| 03:44.32 | mree3 | yeah. i want it to be custom |
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| 03:45.15 | justin | its easier I think to have it just install the base system, and run your own debian mirror that has your packages |
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| 03:45.21 | simonrvn | @test2 |
| 03:45.21 | ravenbird | Yes, i'm online. |
| 03:45.43 | mree3 | hmm.. |
| 03:45.54 | sussudio | !do the locomotion |
| 03:46.05 | justin | then after the base install is done, just apt-get install mylocalpackages |
| 03:46.06 | mith | sass |
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| 03:46.41 | dfgas | anyone know how to get tvout on nvidia card going? |
| 03:46.45 | SatansWaffleIron | how would i make enlightenment my default gui? (debian testing, kernel 2.6.7) |
| 03:47.05 | justin | !tell SatansWaffleIron about wm |
| 03:47.23 | SatansWaffleIron | thanks mate :) |
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| 03:48.26 | Raar | !tell Raar about wm |
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| 03:48.38 | elux | hi |
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| 03:49.17 | prostat | If I want to get 2.4.27 kernel on my stable box, whats the best way to get the job done? |
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| 03:49.38 | SovietAssassin | are there any programs that i can use to sync with my iPAQ? |
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| 03:51.04 | elux | i have a small problem .. i recompiled my kernel in debian .. now when i book .. it loads my system to a point (really quickly) then goes into a screen with a blinking "_" .. i tried to fix it by loading a live cd and mounting my partition and renaming vmlinuz.old to vmlinuz .. when i rebooted i got the same result .. any ideas? |
| 03:51.08 | dfgas | what do i have do to get latest nvidia drivers? |
| 03:51.30 | SovietAssassin | !tell SovietAssassin wm |
| 03:51.36 | SovietAssassin | ugh |
| 03:51.38 | TheCat | Does anyokne know about a fglrx 100% CPU usage issue when running certain games in Debian? |
| 03:51.45 | SovietAssassin | someone throw me a bone with dpkg? |
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| 03:52.27 | SovietAssassin | ah |
| 03:52.30 | SovietAssassin | !tell SovietAssassin about wm |
| 03:52.37 | SovietAssassin | :) |
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| 03:52.49 | SovietAssassin | :P |
| 03:52.58 | dfgas | !tell dfgas about nvidia |
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| 03:53.25 | dfgas | heh |
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| 03:53.55 | SovietAssassin | can anyone give me suggestions for software that i can use to sync up with my iPaq? |
| 03:54.04 | aalex | Hi! My Pentium 1 doesn't boot anymore. It shouts 4 beeps and nothing appears on my screen. 1 long, 3 shorts. Beeeeep, beep beep beep (-...) What does it mean ? |
| 03:54.10 | cafuego | apt-cache search ipaq? |
| 03:54.26 | cafuego | aalex: Check the mainboard manual. |
| 03:54.29 | SovietAssassin | cafuego: tried that, no such luck |
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| 03:54.39 | aalex | how ? |
| 03:54.39 | Xsquared | something wrong with your video card? |
| 03:54.45 | aalex | where is it ? |
| 03:54.53 | aalex | must be |
| 03:55.00 | cafuego | aalex: How should I know where you store them? |
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| 03:55.52 | Xsquared | try replacing it with another video card, when it beeps like that i think its the video card |
| 03:56.19 | aalex | I know that I configured xfree86 in a bad manner: wrong graphic card -> So, it can't start x and i can't even get to the shell: it keeps login in |
| 03:56.21 | speel | hey sup i just installed deb and i need to install my nvidia drivers .. how do i kill xserver? |
| 03:57.08 | speel | anyone? |
| 03:57.30 | Xsquared | i can't remember |
| 03:57.32 | Xsquared | google it |
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| 03:57.35 | cafuego | ctrl-alt-backspace |
| 03:57.47 | speel | yea but then i just get the login screen |
| 03:57.53 | SovietAssassin | i setup enlightenment as my default wm, but gdm still doesnt see it and forces me into kde (or gnome, whichever is selected) |
| 03:58.00 | Xsquared | nahh, the command line, not restartin it |
| 03:58.04 | cafuego | speel: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 03:58.10 | speel | ah thank u |
| 03:58.29 | cafuego | ctrl-alt-backspace doesn't restart x. *dm does after ctrl-alt-bs kills it. |
| 03:58.42 | cafuego | So the trick is to stop *dm |
| 03:59.32 | Xsquared | hey i have a quick question too |
| 04:00.01 | cafuego | !ask-to-ask |
| 04:00.02 | dpkg | methinks ask-to-ask is Don't ask to ask...just ask. The Ask-To-Ask Protocol v 1.0 wastes more bandwidth than any version of the Ask Protocol |
| 04:00.05 | Xsquared | how do you turn off Power management for my monitor |
| 04:00.31 | cafuego | via xset dpms or somesuch or a dpms off option in the X cfg file |
| 04:00.40 | Xsquared | X keeps loggin me out because of it |
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| 04:00.58 | cafuego | Really? CRap driver, then. |
| 04:00.59 | abrotman | Option "DPMS" "Off" |
| 04:01.07 | Xsquared | ah ok, thanks |
| 04:01.09 | SovietAssassin | cafuego: ive restarted gmd (and my computer (not for the same reason)) and gmd does not see enlightenment |
| 04:01.11 | abrotman | it's not logging you out .. it's crashing |
| 04:01.16 | prostat | If I want to get 2.4.27 kernel on my stable box, whats the best way to get the job done? |
| 04:01.35 | abrotman | Xsquared: btw .. that goes in your X conf |
| 04:01.36 | cafuego | prostat: Get the 2.4.27 kernel package via ftp and install it. |
| 04:01.43 | Whistleboy | anyone familiar with how cupsys-pstoraster differs from normal cupsys and things like cupsys-driver-gimpprint? |
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| 04:01.51 | Xsquared | yep, i know, just didn |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | know the option :) |
| 04:02.02 | Xsquared | doh, just didn't know what line to insert |
| 04:02.09 | Xsquared | thanks |
| 04:02.14 | nevyn | prostat: define best? (easiest, most reliable, most trustworthy)> |
| 04:02.52 | cafuego | SovietAssassin: http://www.handhelds.org/minihowto/wince-link/index.html |
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| 04:03.08 | SovietAssassin | thanks cafuego |
| 04:03.30 | prostat | cafuego: Its ok to get kernels from kernel.org? or do i need the source from apt ? |
| 04:03.39 | Spencer | I went to Apache.org, downloaded the 2.0.52 tar.gz, ran this command (after extracting and changing directories): "./configure --prefix=/usr/local/apache2 --with-php --with-mysql", then did "make" followed by "make install". Neither were installed. Anyone have any ideas to get a Apache2 (with PHP and MySQL) server up and running? |
| 04:03.40 | aFlag | i think best would be the easiest, most reliable and most trustowrthy one |
| 04:03.50 | cafuego | prostat: I meant download the precompiled kernel-image-foo.deb from sarge and install it on woody. |
| 04:04.03 | prostat | thanks |
| 04:04.16 | cafuego | Spencer: apt-get install apache2-mpm-prefork php4 php4-mysql |
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| 04:05.35 | Xsquared | abrotman: sorry, where should that line be.. Which "section"? |
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| 04:06.02 | cafuego | !fgi Xsquared dpms+XF86Config-4 |
| 04:06.02 | dpkg | Xsquared: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=dpms+XF86Config-4 |
| 04:06.03 | abrotman | Xsquared: i think in your monitor section .. been a while since i needed .. (oracle sucks) |
| 04:06.21 | TJN | what is foo? |
| 04:06.33 | cafuego | TJN: anything at all |
| 04:06.38 | abrotman | !foo |
| 04:06.38 | dpkg | from memory, foo is the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food |
| 04:07.21 | SovietAssassin | i cant figure out how to make enlightenment my default ui, whatever i try brings me into gnome or kde... any help would be appreciated |
| 04:07.22 | TJN | ok |
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| 04:07.32 | TJN | coz ive heard of s/foo/bar |
| 04:07.41 | abrotman | !fubar |
| 04:07.41 | dpkg | [fubar] Fucked Up Beyond All Recognition; it is a military term, or ask a fubar question, get a fubar answer. the failed unibus address register in a VAX |
| 04:07.46 | Spencer | cafuego: thanks |
| 04:07.47 | Muskie | Hey all, I'm back |
| 04:07.47 | TJN | but i never new what it really was |
| 04:07.50 | TJN | !foobar |
| 04:07.50 | dpkg | it has been said that foobar is a term very generally used name for absolutely anything, esp. programs, files, functions, and such. See foo and bar. It has a complex relation to another term called "fubar." For more info, see "mantra.". FTP Operation Over Big Address Records RFC1639 |
| 04:07.56 | cafuego | !foo |
| 04:07.56 | dpkg | foo is, like, the first metasyntactic variable, it's a placeholder for some other term. see <http://www.catb.org/esr/jargon/html/F/foo.html>, or bar, or insert new factoid here, or not food, or ask me about 'Mr. T' |
| 04:08.01 | cafuego | !Mr. T |
| 04:08.02 | dpkg | from memory, mr. t is at http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~kljense3/MrTvs.html |
| 04:08.05 | aFlag | SovietAssassin, isn't there some gdm configuration file? |
| 04:08.07 | abrotman | mr t? |
| 04:08.16 | abrotman | silly kids in WI |
| 04:08.21 | aFlag | have you tried changing something at xinitrc? |
| 04:08.42 | Muskie | I pity da foo' who don't get debian! |
| 04:08.42 | SovietAssassin | aFlag: im sure there is, but if i find it, how am i to know what to alter to add it to it, im trying google without much luck |
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| 04:08.57 | Muskie | anyway... |
| 04:09.00 | aFlag | /etc/gdm/gdm.conf |
| 04:09.04 | Muskie | allrighty then. |
| 04:09.20 | Muskie | I finally got debian installed and running. |
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| 04:09.36 | Muskie | everything's downloaded, and we're going fine.. |
| 04:09.39 | aFlag | SovietAssassin, try gdmsetup |
| 04:09.51 | Muskie | until I get to the login, whereupon the mouse and keyboard decide to stop working. |
| 04:09.59 | Xsquared | thanks abrotman |
| 04:10.41 | Muskie | help! n.n |
| 04:10.42 | SovietAssassin | aFlag: gdmsetup has nothing to do with avalible ui's :\ |
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| 04:11.14 | aFlag | hum... |
| 04:11.16 | cafuego | gdm has also been known to completely ignore .xinitrc |
| 04:11.35 | SovietAssassin | heh, i dont have a ~.xinitrc in the local dir |
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| 04:12.05 | marmot | SovietAssassin, create one |
| 04:12.10 | Alleria | I'm getting messages in my syslog that say |
| 04:12.11 | Alleria | Erik, |
| 04:12.11 | Alleria | I found the thread on debian-user where you and others were discussing the |
| 04:12.11 | Alleria | problem with timestamps on /etc/modules.conf and /lib/modules/`uname |
| 04:12.12 | Alleria | -r`/modules.dep: |
| 04:12.12 | Alleria | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0010/msg74.html |
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| 04:12.19 | Alleria | oops |
| 04:12.32 | Alleria | modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than |
| 04:12.33 | abrotman | Alleria: see /topic re: flooding |
| 04:12.44 | Alleria | abrotman: paste mistake. :-( |
| 04:12.45 | sussudio | !do Alleria |
| 04:12.50 | Alleria | :P |
| 04:12.52 | SovietAssassin | !do SovietAssassin |
| 04:12.52 | abrotman | !sing sussudio |
| 04:12.57 | SovietAssassin | w00t |
| 04:13.05 | smeggy | make it stooop lol |
| 04:13.11 | SovietAssassin | lol |
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| 04:13.15 | Alleria | anyway, any reason I get this message now in syslog, when I never had it before? |
| 04:13.32 | sussudio | in soviet russia, dpkg would do SovietAssassin |
| 04:13.33 | Imanewbie | I need some help on installing debian |
| 04:13.37 | dmtalon | evening all |
| 04:13.46 | Alleria | I haven't done any changes to the system of late, either. :-( |
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| 04:14.09 | Imanewbie | Im having trouble to set up my x system |
| 04:14.24 | sussudio | Imanewbie: you're having troubled? |
| 04:14.31 | Imanewbie | a lot |
| 04:14.42 | sussudio | Imanewbie: with extra crabpaste? |
| 04:14.42 | Imanewbie | I install debian without problems |
| 04:14.45 | SovietAssassin | if i add enlightenment to my ~.xinitrc, will gmd still appear? |
| 04:14.47 | dmtalon | any one her usin hardware raid with debian on an x86 system? |
| 04:14.50 | dmtalon | here |
| 04:14.58 | aFlag | !sing SovietAssassin |
| 04:14.59 | abrotman | !tell Imanewbie about setup x |
| 04:15.08 | Imanewbie | but when I tryu to xwmconfig it doesn |
| 04:15.11 | Imanewbie | ? |
| 04:15.16 | SovietAssassin | aFlag: eh? |
| 04:15.19 | abrotman | dmtalon: many of us i'm sure .. why? |
| 04:15.40 | Imanewbie | why shouldnt he tell me? |
| 04:15.43 | dmtalon | abrotman : what card are you using? |
| 04:15.45 | abrotman | he did |
| 04:15.53 | abrotman | dmtalon: a few different kinds .. |
| 04:15.54 | aFlag | typed tab by mistake |
| 04:16.01 | elux | for some reason my font in konsole looks really weird .. its set to normal .. but its so huge .. maybe im missing a font package or something? |
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| 04:16.05 | abrotman | dmtalon: are you having a problem? |
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| 04:16.14 | useruser | SovietAssassin: yes |
| 04:16.23 | dmtalon | abrotman : not yet :-/ I'm buildin a new box and want some opinions/advice |
| 04:16.36 | cafuego | dmtalon: Yes |
| 04:16.39 | sussudio | elux: apt-get install xfonts-konsole |
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| 04:16.43 | abrotman | dmtalon: which kind of raid? ata,sata,scsi? |
| 04:16.50 | dmtalon | abrotman : want a SIMPLE raid 1 mirror with two eide drives |
| 04:17.03 | abrotman | i've only done raid with SCSI |
| 04:17.05 | dmtalon | just looking for the best hardware solution |
| 04:17.06 | cafuego | 00:01.0 RAID bus controller: LSI Logic / Symbios Logic (formerly NCR): Unknown device 0010 (rev 02 |
| 04:17.24 | abrotman | !cafuego is the man |
| 04:17.24 | dpkg | abrotman: cannot alter locked factoids |
| 04:17.27 | abrotman | :) |
| 04:17.30 | cafuego | dmtalon: As a tardeoff between best and cheapest I'd recommend a 3Ware sata card and a handful of cheap sata drives. |
| 04:17.30 | sussudio | RAID busje komt zo busje komt zo |
| 04:17.35 | netrider | elux: don't know |
| 04:17.43 | simonrvn | tardoff? |
| 04:17.44 | cafuego | trade-off too. |
| 04:17.49 | simonrvn | ;) |
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| 04:18.06 | dmtalon | cafuego: I've already bought the eide drive :-/ because I wasn't gonna do raid |
| 04:18.09 | dmtalon | drives |
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| 04:18.31 | cafuego | dmtalon: Well, in case of simple raid1 i would *not* bother with hardware raid and juste use kernel mode (md) |
| 04:18.39 | Imanewbie | anyone using debian and a realtek 8189 network card? |
| 04:18.49 | Imanewbie | + gforce 5200? |
| 04:18.56 | cafuego | !realtek |
| 04:18.56 | dpkg | it has been said that realtek is a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller Works fine for me. |
| 04:19.00 | dmtalon | cafuego : I was/am considering that too. Figured I'd install the evms package |
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| 04:19.19 | dmtalon | no experience with it though |
| 04:19.50 | Nyle | hi, i just did apt-get install kernel-image 2.6 and now my debian system can't initialize eth0. before this kernel image i had 2.2.20 and I had to put the realtek8139 driver into the kernel. how can I do this now with 2.6 kernel |
| 04:20.06 | cafuego | It's just a layer of complexity and if you don't really need it, it's just another thing that can break. |
| 04:20.22 | cafuego | Imanewbie: Is that the Gbit card or the wireless one? |
| 04:20.41 | dmtalon | cafuego : ok.. thanks for the input. I haven't used md before... Pretty easy to setup/admin? |
| 04:20.43 | Imanewbie | gbit |
| 04:20.45 | cafuego | Nyle: read what dpkg said. |
| 04:20.45 | Nyle | how do you install debian testing/main and 2.6 kernel with floppy images for net install |
| 04:20.56 | cafuego | dmtalon: The debian-installer will do it for you :-) |
| 04:21.12 | dmtalon | cafuego : ya, I meant actually setting up the sw raid |
| 04:21.25 | cafuego | dmtalon: And admining is done with raidtools2 - pretty straightforward. |
| 04:21.34 | kitsujin | what does it mean when i have a makefile, and when i run make, it says no such file or dir..when its right there in the dir i am in |
| 04:21.38 | dmtalon | cafuego : oh, and btw :-) my first car was a "fuego" heh |
| 04:21.38 | cafuego | dmtalon: Yeah, the installer will set it up for you. |
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| 04:21.50 | Imanewbie | Yeah I assume it was properly probed during install |
| 04:21.56 | cafuego | Hmm, rusty french vroom vroom |
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| 04:22.14 | cafuego | Imanewbie: Dunno then, never used one of those. |
| 04:22.14 | Imanewbie | but I'm unable to startx |
| 04:22.18 | dmtalon | cafuego : it even lived up to it's name a couple times |
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| 04:22.24 | cafuego | <heh> |
| 04:22.25 | Nyle | but now my debian system can't get online. atm i have the kernel-image of 2.6.8 kernel for p4i686. How can I put this realtek driver in the kernel and have it be online again |
| 04:22.49 | Imanewbie | modprobe rltk 8189? |
| 04:22.54 | cafuego | Nyle: Like the bot said, load the '8139too' driver |
| 04:22.54 | dmtalon | cafuego : someone miswired the electric fan so that every time it tried to turn on it would short out and start smoking wires :-/ |
| 04:23.05 | cafuego | Imanewbie: Try 'modconf' and see what's avilable. |
| 04:23.22 | Nyle | i don't know how to do that |
| 04:23.34 | Nyle | man i'd have to restart my system to get back into debian |
| 04:23.49 | cafuego | Nyle: 'modconf' |
| 04:23.51 | Nyle | so let me get some instructions on what to do |
| 04:24.05 | Nyle | ok so what do i do after modconf |
| 04:24.08 | Imanewbie | I will take a shower I'm stinking |
| 04:24.14 | cafuego | that should be self evident |
| 04:24.16 | Nyle | im on xp right now and i can't get on debian until i restart |
| 04:24.29 | Nyle | and i don't wanna have to keep switching to get online |
| 04:24.36 | Supaplex | is there an oss alternative to plesk? (webmin/usermin = don't make me laugh) |
| 04:24.53 | cafuego | Supaplex: ssh |
| 04:24.58 | Nyle | so modconf is ALL i need in order to get my system online, basically put the realtek drivedr in the 2.6.8 kernel |
| 04:24.58 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:24.58 | abrotman | !plesk |
| 04:25.03 | cafuego | Supaplex: Cheaper, faster, more powerful. |
| 04:25.10 | dmtalon | cafuego : how much performance will I loose doing a two drive sw raid over the same as a hw raid? |
| 04:25.16 | abrotman | Supaplex: vi ? |
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| 04:25.20 | FsckIt | cafuego: pick any two |
| 04:25.23 | cafuego | Nyle: modconf will list all available modules, select the one you want, hit return. |
| 04:25.34 | Nyle | sweet |
| 04:25.39 | Nyle | see u from debian, hopefully |
| 04:25.45 | abrotman | !u |
| 04:25.46 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 04:25.49 | Supaplex | you assume this is for me? :P yes, I'm happy to use vi and ssh. |
| 04:25.50 | cafuego | dmtalon: Negligable unless you're running a P133 |
| 04:26.03 | abrotman | Supaplex: pico for the morons? :) |
| 04:26.07 | cafuego | Supaplex: If a client wants it, let them buy plesk. |
| 04:26.12 | dmtalon | cafuego : sweet :-) sounds like thats the way to go for me |
| 04:26.23 | abrotman | Supaplex: who is this for? |
| 04:26.32 | Supaplex | clients, webhosting |
| 04:26.39 | abrotman | clients .. like morons? |
| 04:26.41 | cafuego | dmtalon: I run kernel mode raid1 on a box in a rack 1800km away, appears to work fine. |
| 04:26.52 | Supaplex | one of them was asking about it, and I know other webhosting providers offer it |
| 04:27.03 | cafuego | abrotman: I find it easiest to not let clients play with settings that allow them to break shit. |
| 04:27.09 | Supaplex | abrotman: morons with $$$ :) |
| 04:27.32 | abrotman | Supaplex: shouldn't they be paying for this .. i mean .. morons with moronic tools .. only ends in moronic results |
| 04:27.37 | cafuego | Mind can add/edit/remove mailboxes and aliases and ftp to a website; that's all they ever need. |
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| 04:28.01 | cafuego | If they think they need more they cna go find a host that charges twice as much :-) |
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| 04:28.13 | Supaplex | yea, I'm still not convinced to use something like plesk anyway. |
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| 04:28.35 | cafuego | Supaplex: What kind of settings do they need to be able to change? |
| 04:28.36 | Supaplex | cafuego: not always true ;/ |
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| 04:31.06 | kitsujin | im getting "make: *** SUBDIRS=/bcm5700-7.3.5/src: No such file or directory. Stop." whats causing this? |
| 04:31.08 | kitsujin | the files are there |
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| 04:31.46 | Imanewbie | okay |
| 04:31.50 | Imanewbie | I'm back |
| 04:32.03 | Imanewbie | I need to install debian on a athlon 2000 xp |
| 04:32.20 | Imanewbie | GeForce FX 5200 video card |
| 04:32.38 | Imanewbie | and a fast ethernet network adapter |
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| 04:33.03 | Imanewbie | I'm using a d-link 500g router modem |
| 04:33.14 | Imanewbie | anyone ever did something like this? |
| 04:33.27 | abrotman | i'm sure someone has |
| 04:33.41 | faw | abrotman, :) |
| 04:33.47 | Imanewbie | anyone here? ¬¬ |
| 04:34.09 | faw | Imanewbie, The Debian Installation Manual is a good point to start |
| 04:34.10 | Imanewbie | xwmconfig doesnt work wich commands can I use to have basic control over the system? |
| 04:34.28 | Imanewbie | the guy talked about modconf |
| 04:34.32 | abrotman | wtf is xwmconfig |
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| 04:35.05 | Imanewbie | x window manager config |
| 04:35.19 | Imanewbie | allow to select x interfasce on slackware |
| 04:35.39 | faw | Imanewbie, are you using Debian or Slack? |
| 04:35.39 | cafuego | Imanewbie: You need a 3rd party binary-only driver for that video card. |
| 04:35.59 | kitsujin | can someone help me get this make to work for this wifi card? |
| 04:35.59 | abrotman | yay for #nvidia |
| 04:36.06 | cafuego | !lart nvidia |
| 04:36.13 | Imanewbie | cafuego: but I can use a framebuffer emulation for start |
| 04:36.45 | cafuego | Imanewbie: vesafb is *SLOW* |
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| 04:36.58 | elux | i cant get my wireless to work for some reason .. it connects but it wont give me an ip .. i did: iwconfig eth0 essid "wireless" |
| 04:37.03 | cafuego | Imanewbie: But yes, 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86' should get you going. |
| 04:37.17 | cafuego | elux: key? |
| 04:37.23 | elux | no key |
| 04:37.34 | elux | i did try a key earlier .. didnt work .. so im trying it with an open system first |
| 04:37.42 | cafuego | elux: then run dhclient eth0 after setting the essid |
| 04:37.58 | elux | ahh thanks |
| 04:38.01 | elux | ill try it again with a key then |
| 04:38.02 | elux | thank you |
| 04:38.07 | Imanewbie | which command should I use to slect my x interface? |
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| 04:38.24 | cafuego | elux: When it's working, you can add a "wireless_essid wireless" line in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:38.35 | cafuego | Imanewbie: I just told you |
| 04:38.53 | Imanewbie | oki |
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| 04:40.18 | elux | cafuego: will i have to enter the key each time? |
| 04:40.26 | elux | i got it working with encryption .. |
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| 04:41.10 | cafuego | elux: No, same thing, "wireless_key s:passw" in interfaces(5) |
| 04:41.10 | cafuego | elux: Once it's in there it' |
| 04:41.15 | cafuego | ll just work at bootup |
| 04:41.42 | elux | excellent |
| 04:41.55 | elux | thanks |
| 04:41.56 | Alleria | Okay. Maybe I'm going nuts, but does starting gnomeICU cause listening on port 4000 for anyone else? |
| 04:42.15 | Alleria | the weird part is, nmaping localhost, it doesn't show up. :-( |
| 04:42.22 | Alleria | but nmapping from a remote system, it does! |
| 04:42.47 | tcsetattr | try netstat -an | fgrep :4000 |
| 04:42.49 | FsckIt | Alleria: well that just means that it is listening on your external interface, but not on 127.0.0.1 |
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| 04:43.29 | Alleria | FsckIt: oh, good point. |
| 04:44.06 | FsckIt | nothing to be embarrassed about |
| 04:44.34 | Alleria | these odd modconf messages showed up... |
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| 04:44.43 | Alleria | right after a bizzare crash... |
| 04:44.47 | Alleria | and now all I can think is *rootkit* |
| 04:44.49 | Alleria | :-/ |
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| 04:45.17 | FsckIt | chkrootkit |
| 04:45.25 | Alleria | FsckIt: that comes out clean. |
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| 04:45.34 | Alleria | FsckIt: is the version in woody still considered up to date? |
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| 04:45.40 | risky | rkhunter |
| 04:45.49 | Alleria | hmm, good point. |
| 04:45.53 | Nyle | hi, im back, and God bless whoever it was who told me 8139too and modconf. THANKS again |
| 04:45.55 | risky | not on debian I think |
| 04:46.01 | Nyle | now im back on debian and its online |
| 04:46.04 | dmtalon | cafuego : thanks for the suggestions... my eyelids are gettin heavy :-) |
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| 04:46.14 | Alleria | Hm, I'll grab the perl script. Thanks for the tip. |
| 04:46.15 | FsckIt | heh.. I doubt it (very little in woody is considered up to day, I think) |
| 04:46.29 | Alleria | FsckIt: that was my fear. |
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| 04:47.06 | FsckIt | Alleria: well, in any case, you'd want to probably run the latest version, on some trusted media |
| 04:47.16 | Nyle | I have now the base debian system through net install with 2.6.8-1 kernel. I would like now for my system to have kde and boot to a graphical login manager. what packages do I need to install? |
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| 04:47.36 | Alleria | But alas, the Knoppix CD won't boot on my system for some odd reason. Not without passing LILO weird params anyway. |
| 04:47.45 | FsckIt | Alleria: and, of course, like any such software, it can only tell you if you do have one, not if you don't |
| 04:47.52 | kitsujin | i pasted some stuff in #flood, can someone help explain what is going on? |
| 04:48.01 | Nyle | alleria, I have gotten knoppix botting off my hd from a cd image |
| 04:48.06 | Nyle | u should do that too |
| 04:48.11 | Nyle | its knoppix 3.4 though |
| 04:48.14 | Alleria | Hm. |
| 04:48.15 | Nyle | some japanese people made it |
| 04:48.19 | Alleria | then there's the trusted issue. :/ |
| 04:48.24 | Nyle | it uses grub and cloop to do that |
| 04:48.44 | sussudio | !tell fjavier about away |
| 04:48.45 | aalex | Hi ! I cant boot X. I need to change the config for my video card. The problem is that my IBM P1 keeps trying to start X. I cant type anything ! I cant even log in. What can I do ? |
| 04:49.12 | FsckIt | Alleria: well, so, what caused the crash, and what were the modconf errors? |
| 04:49.38 | Imanewbie | wich are the chances about debian auto-find and set up my internet connection with a d-link modem? |
| 04:49.54 | Alleria | FsckIt: well, X was on Xscreensaver when it just simply gave up and drew a series of evenly spaced vertical blank lines. |
| 04:50.03 | Alleria | Keyboard was nonresponsive. |
| 04:50.12 | aalex | is it dhcp or the other one ? |
| 04:50.14 | Alleria | SSHing in remotely showed that X had in fact crashed, taking all the X apps with it. |
| 04:50.29 | Imanewbie | aalex: are you taling with me? |
| 04:50.36 | aalex | yes |
| 04:50.36 | Alleria | Odd thing is, I was sleeping. Not actively using the machine. And X is known to be stable on this machine, I having been using it for a long time. |
| 04:50.43 | Imanewbie | is dhcp |
| 04:50.46 | Nyle | what packages do I need in order to make the system boot to a graphical login manager? |
| 04:50.49 | Alleria | And certainly the machine wasn't being stessed or having anything funky done to it. |
| 04:50.53 | Nyle | pref, kde |
| 04:50.57 | aalex | i'd say the chances are pretty good |
| 04:51.06 | Alleria | And then after reboot, now I'm noticing that syslogs going back to the reboot all show this modconf error: |
| 04:51.20 | Imanewbie | so I just ineed to install dhcp or just makea full system install? |
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| 04:51.34 | Alleria | modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.16-k7/modules.dep |
| 04:51.34 | FsckIt | Alleria: well, xscreensaver is known for using OpenGL and such, and so might have run into a bug in X's display driver for your video card |
| 04:51.39 | aalex | Could I log by SSH if my X cant start and I'm stuck without X nor shell ? |
| 04:51.45 | Alleria | FsckIt: nope, had it set to use spotlight only... |
| 04:51.52 | Alleria | it's really nothing that stresses the system. |
| 04:51.54 | FsckIt | Alleria: or it could be an evil hax0r... I dunno |
| 04:51.58 | Alleria | And then that modprobe message... |
| 04:52.02 | Imanewbie | aalex: log on ssh where? |
| 04:52.10 | Nyle | what packages do I need in order to make the system boot to a graphical login manager? Preferably kde. do I just do apt-get install kde or do i need anything else? |
| 04:52.16 | Alleria | which to my uninitated mind screams rootkit and kernel module. :-/ |
| 04:52.18 | aalex | well, maybe by a ethernet cable |
| 04:52.24 | caca | anyone knows how must look a line in /etc/network/interfaces for a ethernet controller for an internal net? |
| 04:52.26 | aalex | from my Mac laptop |
| 04:52.29 | Alleria | after the suspcious circumstances, X having been pretty much stable before. |
| 04:52.38 | FsckIt | Alleria: which modprobe message? |
| 04:52.43 | Imanewbie | ssh yourname@yourdomain |
| 04:52.49 | caca | i am bored of making ifconfig eth0 up every time |
| 04:52.51 | Imanewbie | it will prompt you for a password |
| 04:53.15 | Nyle | can anyone just a few seconds to answer my question |
| 04:53.16 | Nyle | what packages do I need in order to make the system boot to a graphical login manager? Preferably kde. do I just do apt-get install kde or do i need anything else? |
| 04:53.24 | Alleria | FsckIt: this one: modprobe: Note: /etc/modules.conf is more recent than /lib/modules/2.4.16-k7/modules.dep |
| 04:53.27 | Imanewbie | kde pkgs |
| 04:53.39 | Imanewbie | Nyle: install kde pkgs |
| 04:53.43 | Nyle | pkgs? |
| 04:53.45 | Alleria | but then I booted off my known-good Debian install CD, mounted the HD, and took a look at /etc/modules.conf |
| 04:53.48 | Nyle | thats short for packages? |
| 04:53.49 | Imanewbie | packages |
| 04:53.52 | Imanewbie | yes |
| 04:53.53 | Alleria | and saw nothing particularly incriminating. |
| 04:53.53 | risky | check if your date is ok Alleria, maybe you lost the configuration after the crash |
| 04:53.57 | Nyle | ahh, so what packages do i need |
| 04:54.01 | Nyle | could you give me the package names |
| 04:54.01 | Imanewbie | kde |
| 04:54.07 | Nyle | is that it? |
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| 04:54.10 | Imanewbie | yes |
| 04:54.15 | Nyle | i thought as much thanks |
| 04:54.17 | Nyle | :) |
| 04:54.21 | Imanewbie | :) |
| 04:54.21 | Alleria | risky: that's the thing. |
| 04:54.22 | Imanewbie | well |
| 04:54.23 | Alleria | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5157 Apr 5 2004 modules.conf |
| 04:54.31 | yonkeltron | if i wanted to rip cd's to mp3's or convert ogg files to mp3's what would i need to do that? |
| 04:54.41 | Imanewbie | wich comands are must haves to properly setting up debian for thefirst time? |
| 04:54.49 | FsckIt | Alleria: um, yeah, I've gotten that message plenty of times.. I wouldn't really worry about it |
| 04:54.58 | Alleria | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:54.58 | Alleria | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 111496 Oct 10 00:37 modules.dep |
| 04:55.13 | nvz | I've updated the LOL dudes, there are like 9 of them now http://68.185.202.200/loldudes.png |
| 04:55.17 | Alleria | FsckIt: well, the thing is, it only started appearing after the crash. |
| 04:55.18 | Nyle | yonkeltron , apt-get install synaptic, after install type synaptic with root rights and then install multimedia packages, just browse through them |
| 04:55.26 | caca | anyone knows how must look a line in /etc/network/interfaces for a ethernet controller for an internal lan? |
| 04:55.30 | Alleria | FsckIt: this is my second reboot after. And still getting it. Do I worry? |
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| 04:56.00 | yonkeltron | nyle: ummm ok then. i prefer apt-get but synaptic will do |
| 04:56.09 | elux | i dont know why but im getting a really high noise level on my wireless connection |
| 04:56.16 | xam | yonkeltron: for ripping CDs (into mp3) I recommend 'grip'. You have to compile & install 'lame' to be able to convert into mp3 though |
| 04:56.17 | kremlyn | caca: There is a manual page for that. |
| 04:56.20 | aalex | couldn't start X: X shows me error lo after 10000 attempts. >>> warning: process set to nice value 0 instead of -10 as requested. That must be editable in /etc/xfree86/.... |
| 04:56.27 | elux | but im right next to the wireless router .. my signal strength is 92/92 |
| 04:56.34 | caca | ok thanks |
| 04:56.40 | yonkeltron | xam: where would i get the lame source tarball? |
| 04:56.43 | Alleria | I mean, I haven't had any unclean shutdowns. Even with the X crash, the reboots were all clean. |
| 04:56.47 | xam | yonkeltron: grip can also convert into ogg (just install the oggencoder) |
| 04:56.51 | Alleria | Which leads me to scratch my head at the very very least. |
| 04:57.10 | FsckIt | Alleria: well, if you want to, you can re-check modules.conf, and then run depmod. |
| 04:57.21 | yonkeltron | xam: i see there is a deb package available for lame...will that do? |
| 04:57.23 | xam | yonkeltron: for lame, google is your friend ;) just a ./configure && make && make install should work fine |
| 04:57.29 | Nyle | well i mean apt-get is cool but if your using a gui why not use a frontend to apt-get and just browse throught eh list of packages you need in the applications multimedia section. it will install required libraries and such |
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| 04:57.52 | xam | yonkeltron: I'm sure somebody has made a package, however lame is not in the official debian pool |
| 04:57.56 | Alleria | FsckIt: good point. Thanks. :-) |
| 04:58.17 | yonkeltron | xam: gotcha...but it's wortha shot yeah? |
| 04:58.20 | Imanewbie | I have debian cds 1 and 2 |
| 04:58.36 | Nyle | hopy crap i have to download 190 MB after apt-get install kde |
| 04:58.38 | Nyle | dang! |
| 04:58.45 | risky | marillat has lame packages AFAIK |
| 04:58.51 | nvz | bah caught this crowd at the wrong time for lol dudes it seems |
| 04:58.59 | risky | or well, he packages lame hehe |
| 04:59.13 | xam | yonkeltron: lame is the best mp3 encoder around (for Unix, Mac AND Windows there exist no better in terms of quality IMHO, and many others agree with me) |
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| 04:59.31 | risky | I don't get the piggy |
| 04:59.47 | yonkeltron | xam: well i wish my mp3 player had ogg........next one i but will have to have it! |
| 04:59.56 | risky | nvm, I think I just did |
| 05:00.05 | nvz | what do you mean I dont get the piggy |
| 05:00.29 | risky | same reason I use encode to mp3s :/ |
| 05:00.46 | risky | I dind't get it |
| 05:00.55 | FsckIt | Alleria: I don't have a debian machine handy, so could you look to see if modutils is run before or after hwclock in the bookup sequence on your machine? |
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| 05:01.34 | Alleria | FsckIt: sure. What are the scripts actually called? modutils and hwclock? |
| 05:01.35 | xam | yonkeltron: grip is a simple CD ripping GUI tool (that comes with CDparanoia for ripping builtin), but can use any CLI command for ripping and any command for encoding the WAV files. So if you have installed any encoder, you can integrate it in grip. Grip comes with many templates for the most popular rippers and encoders |
| 05:01.52 | FsckIt | Alleria: hmm, I think so |
| 05:02.01 | Nyle | man I love linux |
| 05:02.05 | nvz | yeah well the piggy isnt that great, but the *lol* cheerleaders are classic |
| 05:02.05 | xam | yonkeltron: I have an Archos Jukebox Recorder 20GB here, that can also only play MP3 |
| 05:02.10 | Nyle | even in console mode you can do so much more than you can with dos |
| 05:02.13 | Nyle | this is awesome |
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| 05:02.32 | man_in_shack | Nyle, i once summarised all the dos commands onto one a4 page |
| 05:02.35 | abrotman | uhm .. DOS is no comparison |
| 05:02.42 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 05:02.42 | dpkg | it has been said that refcard is http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ |
| 05:02.50 | Nyle | dude |
| 05:02.52 | Nyle | one day |
| 05:02.55 | Alleria | FsckIt: alas, I don't seem to be able to find them. :-/ |
| 05:03.03 | Nyle | im going to start kernel development |
| 05:03.06 | xam | !tell yonkeltron about lame |
| 05:03.07 | Nyle | im a newbie to linux atm |
| 05:03.09 | man_in_shack | Nyle, i started doing the same with bash, and gave up after a couple of pages |
| 05:03.10 | Nyle | but i learn fast |
| 05:03.18 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:03.18 | nvz | early sunday morning you think lol dudes would be a hot topic :/ |
| 05:03.27 | Nyle | dos does suck |
| 05:03.32 | abrotman | Nyle: how did you sumarrize all of DOS on 1 a4 page? |
| 05:03.34 | man_in_shack | Nyle, not as much as winshit |
| 05:03.40 | abrotman | the DOS5 manual i had was like 500pgs |
| 05:03.41 | man_in_shack | abrotman, not all of dos, just the commands |
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| 05:03.52 | man_in_shack | abrotman, well, the useful commands |
| 05:03.52 | Alleria | init.d has hwclock, but no link in rc2.d? |
| 05:03.54 | Nyle | abrotman I didn't |
| 05:04.00 | risky | Alleria, there's hwclockfirst, then modutils and then hwclock |
| 05:04.01 | Nyle | man_in_shack did |
| 05:04.05 | abrotman | oh .. the useful commmands .. that's another story :) |
| 05:04.10 | man_in_shack | i like echo |
| 05:04.16 | Muskie | I need a little help, guys |
| 05:04.23 | abrotman | ask .. don't ask to ask |
| 05:04.26 | risky | Alleria, they're in rcS |
| 05:04.26 | man_in_shack | echo in dos is just echo |
| 05:04.27 | Muskie | lol |
| 05:04.28 | Nyle | u know what man |
| 05:04.30 | abrotman | !u |
| 05:04.31 | dpkg | Dammit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. |
| 05:04.37 | FsckIt | Alleria: cd /etc/rcS.d |
| 05:04.52 | Nyle | there is a qnx with a GUI browser and other utils on a single 1.44 disk |
| 05:04.55 | Muskie | Aiight. Well, when I boot, everything runs fine, till I hit X. |
| 05:04.57 | Nyle | thats awesome |
| 05:04.58 | nvz | see that, had you all checked out my lol dudes, you had a good 5 new ways to do it for that one there |
| 05:05.00 | FsckIt | Alleria: ls -l *mod* *clock* |
| 05:05.01 | Nyle | embedded systems |
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| 05:05.12 | man_in_shack | echo in bash is like "hey, do you want to use standard escapes? or maybe you don't want the trailing newline, eh?" |
| 05:05.13 | Alleria | FsckIt: got it. |
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| 05:05.32 | Muskie | whereupon the keyboard decides to completley stop respoding, and then completley freezes in about 4 or 5 seconds. |
| 05:05.33 | Nyle | dos was pretty cool up until 98se |
| 05:05.40 | Nyle | c:\con\con |
| 05:05.42 | Alleria | FsckIt: S20modutils, S18hwclockfirst.sh S50hwclock.sh |
| 05:05.43 | Nyle | c:\aux\aux |
| 05:05.44 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:05.51 | abrotman | Muskie: uname -r |
| 05:05.53 | man_in_shack | anyways, i din't come here to rant about how i learnt dos in 1 day and took a few months to start using bash to its fullest |
| 05:06.01 | Muskie | uname -r? |
| 05:06.04 | Muskie | what does that do? |
| 05:06.07 | abrotman | run it |
| 05:06.11 | abrotman | i want to see the output |
| 05:06.12 | Muskie | ok, hold on. |
| 05:06.12 | Nyle | it tells you the kernel version |
| 05:06.29 | Muskie | it's only been up for 5 minutes. |
| 05:06.33 | Nyle | type man uname |
| 05:06.33 | GregorR | man_in_shack: So what did you come in here for? |
| 05:06.36 | man_in_shack | is there a way to show all the files on my system that aren't associated with packages? |
| 05:06.37 | Muskie | it's a fresh install if sarge from netinst |
| 05:06.44 | FsckIt | Alleria: well, it idea here is that perhaps modutils is checking the time before hwclock is setting it.. I don't know what hwclockfirst does as opposed to hwclock, so.. *shrug* |
| 05:06.53 | xam | still 20minutes to formular1 |
| 05:06.57 | abrotman | Muskie: you still didn't answer the question |
| 05:07.05 | Alleria | FsckIt: thanks for the tip. I'll trawl the mailing lists. :-) |
| 05:07.19 | man_in_shack | cos i found out a couple of weeks ago java1.1 was on my system without the package registerring as installed |
| 05:07.25 | Muskie | 24-27-1-386. |
| 05:07.31 | Muskie | err.. |
| 05:07.37 | abrotman | i understand |
| 05:07.38 | Muskie | 2-4-26-386 |
| 05:07.42 | callie | anyone here familiar with ettercap ??? |
| 05:07.49 | abrotman | 2.4.26-386 |
| 05:07.56 | Muskie | oh. heh |
| 05:07.57 | man_in_shack | uname -rms: Linux 2.6.7 i686 |
| 05:08.24 | abrotman | Muskie: i used to have the same problem with my mouse .. when i upgraded the kernel . it fixed it |
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| 05:09.01 | Muskie | mouse? |
| 05:09.08 | abrotman | you know .. mouse |
| 05:09.13 | Muskie | it's not my mouse. |
| 05:09.16 | abrotman | well .. for me . TP nubbie |
| 05:09.25 | Muskie | the mouse I know won't respond since it's USB |
| 05:09.33 | abrotman | no .. my mouse wasn't usb |
| 05:09.37 | abrotman | it is ps/2 |
| 05:09.49 | nvz | toilet paper nubbie? |
| 05:09.51 | Muskie | but the keyboard is just your everyday 100 key PS2 thing from the late 80s :P |
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| 05:09.53 | abrotman | !tp |
| 05:09.53 | dpkg | Think Pad |
| 05:09.56 | abrotman | oh |
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| 05:10.05 | Muskie | okay... |
| 05:10.12 | Muskie | so how do I upgrade the kernel? |
| 05:10.21 | abrotman | apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 05:10.36 | Muskie | but I only downloaded the sarge netinst this morning! |
| 05:10.43 | man_in_shack | can anyone tell me how to find a list of files on my systems that aren't installed by packages? |
| 05:10.54 | Muskie | hold on, i'll do that now |
| 05:11.02 | Nyle | does anyone know about hpoj and hpijs |
| 05:11.02 | nvz | man_in_shack: man find |
| 05:11.11 | man_in_shack | nvz, that's not going to help |
| 05:11.18 | man_in_shack | nvz, i don't know what i'm looking for yet |
| 05:11.23 | nvz | Nyle: I use them for our HP PSC 2176v |
| 05:11.25 | xam | went to a friend of mine since he was unable to compile a kernel on his pentium2 400MHz ... it was still compiling (after 2 hours) when I left ... the kernel he was running didn't support DMA and his hdparm just gave 2.54 MB/s transfer rate :( |
| 05:11.36 | rollotomnasi | is there a way to see what IS installed on a system using apt? |
| 05:11.38 | nvz | man_in_shack: try a psychich hotline then |
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| 05:12.01 | aFlag | wierd, i was using gpm on /dev/psaux and X on gpmdata |
| 05:12.07 | aFlag | but it wasn't working |
| 05:12.14 | rollotomnasi | ls |
| 05:12.20 | aFlag | the mouse cursor would be totaly nuts on X |
| 05:12.30 | Muskie | ok... |
| 05:12.33 | aFlag | now i've setted both, gpm and X to use /dev/psaux |
| 05:12.37 | aFlag | and it seems to work |
| 05:12.42 | Muskie | it just Spammed a list at me. |
| 05:12.48 | Muskie | what am i supposed to choose? |
| 05:13.08 | sussudio | !moron Muskie |
| 05:13.09 | dpkg | Muskie: You are moron #39 |
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| 05:13.25 | Muskie | shadap. i'm new to debian, ok? |
| 05:13.34 | sussudio | !noob |
| 05:13.35 | dpkg | somebody said noob was < greycat> DarkCoiote: When people say "I'm a noob", or the equivalent, it's an EXCUSE for them to be LAZY and avoid doing any thinking or reading. |
| 05:13.41 | Muskie | i'd be just as happy going with mandrake, but I want the challenge. :P |
| 05:13.49 | xam | rollotomnasi: 'dpkg --get-selections | grep install' |
| 05:14.01 | rollotomnasi | xam: thanks! |
| 05:14.17 | Muskie | ..... |
| 05:14.22 | Muskie | sussudio, please. |
| 05:14.22 | xam | rollotomnasi: it is all in the debian faq ... |
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| 05:14.45 | betterwork | Do you need linux to program python? |
| 05:14.53 | xam | betterwork: no |
| 05:14.56 | nvz | betterwork: no you need python |
| 05:14.58 | myren | omg xmms is the worst freaking shoutcast client i've ever seen |
| 05:14.58 | rollotomnasi | thanks xam.. read through, guess i have to take another look. just inherited a 3rd box w/ debian on it that I didn't setup & it's driving me nuts |
| 05:15.12 | myren | i cant connect to anything! |
| 05:15.28 | myren | there has got to be a better sound app |
| 05:15.28 | betterwork | I am just beginning programming is python the best first language? |
| 05:15.31 | FsckIt | betterwork: no, but it doesn't hurt :-) |
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| 05:15.39 | aalex | how can i go back to X (reconfigure free86) once I got out using alt-ctrl-F1 |
| 05:15.44 | aalex | ^ |
| 05:15.44 | aalex | ? |
| 05:15.53 | xam | rollotomnasi: you can use dpkg with --get-selections and --set-selections to clone the setup (ie. the installed packages) of your PCs |
| 05:16.00 | betterwork | yes I read that without linux it is evil |
| 05:16.02 | sussudio | aalex: alt-f7 |
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| 05:16.13 | FsckIt | betterwork: that's a religious debate, that will never yield a conclusive answer |
| 05:16.19 | xam | rollotomnasi: you have to copy the stuff in /etc though ... |
| 05:16.26 | betterwork | lol k |
| 05:16.28 | FsckIt | betterwork: well, that is, too |
| 05:16.30 | Alleria | another dumb question: |
| 05:16.39 | Muskie | hmm.. okay.. well, I have an athlon 1400, so should I get the 2.4 K7 Build? |
| 05:16.42 | Alleria | is xscreensaver *supposed* to unlock with both the user password and the root password? |
| 05:16.45 | aalex | alt-F8, actually. Thanks sussudio |
| 05:16.53 | Alleria | It takes a while to unlock with the root password, although unlock with the user password is instantaneous. |
| 05:17.01 | rollotomnasi | xam, copy the stuff in /etc? |
| 05:17.03 | FsckIt | Alleria: there are no dumb questions, only dumb people... um, something like that |
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| 05:17.16 | Alleria | FsckIt: lol |
| 05:17.25 | FsckIt | Alleria: I believe so, check the docs |
| 05:17.38 | xam | Alleria: usually only the username works, but IIRC you can configure xscreensaver (or at least xlock and xlockmore) to accept the root password |
| 05:17.46 | betterwork | I just started using Opera I love it!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 05:17.49 | Muskie | ... |
| 05:17.53 | Alleria | xam: ahh, thanks. |
| 05:17.53 | KazeNoBokusha | is there a way to backup files to a fat32 partition and not lose all UNIX-specific file attributes and what not? for example maybe making a tarball of it? |
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| 05:18.08 | man_in_shack | betterwork, i used to use opera |
| 05:18.23 | myren | Someone here use something other than opera? |
| 05:18.25 | myren | err |
| 05:18.26 | betterwork | why did you change? |
| 05:18.27 | myren | xmms |
| 05:18.32 | myren | damnit |
| 05:18.40 | man_in_shack | betterwork, kept on just stopping |
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| 05:18.44 | nvz | KazeNoBokusha: there is umsdos or something which puts the UNIX style permissions on top of a dos fs |
| 05:18.44 | faw | KazeNoBokusha, if you make a tarball |
| 05:18.50 | man_in_shack | betterwork, something to do with qtmthreads i think |
| 05:18.55 | KazeNoBokusha | myren, i use rhythmbox since it already has a link to Digitally Imported :) |
| 05:18.59 | Nyle | I have an nvidia riva tnt2 32mb video card. i just typed dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86. which video card driver do I chose for it, nv, vesa or what? |
| 05:19.06 | KazeNoBokusha | faw, tarball sounds right |
| 05:19.07 | nvz | KazeNoBokusha: or make a tar like he said, would be best |
| 05:19.10 | betterwork | what do you use now? |
| 05:19.13 | diego | hey all |
| 05:19.15 | man_in_shack | betterwork, firefox |
| 05:19.19 | xam | rollotomnasi: IF you want to make a 'clone' PC, ie. 1) same applications and 2) the same config, you can use dpkg for 1) and copying /etc from the first PC to the clone PC for 2) |
| 05:19.23 | FsckIt | nv, I would think |
| 05:19.26 | kitsujin | kazenobokusha -- onihonjin nanoka |
| 05:19.28 | Nyle | ok |
| 05:19.36 | betterwork | lol this might sound stupid but how do i direct my message at you? |
| 05:19.52 | man_in_shack | betterwork, /msg or /query |
| 05:19.55 | KazeNoBokusha | kitsujin, sumimasen, wakarimasen |
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| 05:20.06 | kitsujin | ok :) nevermind hehehe |
| 05:20.09 | nvz | man_in_shack: no! |
| 05:20.13 | aalex | Anyone know the GUI to reconfigure the xfree86 ? I'm stuck without anything, just the mouse |
| 05:20.17 | man_in_shack | nvz, hmm? |
| 05:20.21 | KazeNoBokusha | you're asking if i'm japanese? no, i'm not |
| 05:20.24 | aalex | I wanna go back to the start |
| 05:20.28 | rollotomnasi | xam, thanks - actually i'm trying to figure out what is on this machine (i know it's running a number of critical apps on vm's - other than that, no idea) so just want to see what's been installed. |
| 05:20.28 | kitsujin | ya i asked that :) |
| 05:20.34 | betterwork | do you type their name first? |
| 05:20.38 | nvz | man_in_shack: directing a message is using tab completion. |
| 05:20.39 | betterwork | hello /msg |
| 05:20.43 | betterwork | lol |
| 05:20.44 | man_in_shack | ahh |
| 05:20.48 | KazeNoBokusha | faw, how do i make a tarball of certain files and have it make the tarball on the other drive, since there is no room on the current drive i'm backing up from? |
| 05:20.57 | betterwork | no text to send |
| 05:20.58 | diego | i generally use gentoo (on it now) and i just built a computer that i absolutely need ready in about half a day so i figure debian is the next best thing (don't hit me for that :P). i know debian has relatively slow stable markings so would you guys recommend the "testing" distribution of debian? |
| 05:21.07 | man_in_shack | betterwork, well nvz seems to think you mean like starting the line with betterwork |
| 05:21.15 | nvz | man_in_shack: from the /TOPIC "| /msg bots NOT people |" |
| 05:21.20 | xam | Nyle: use nv for TNT |
| 05:21.33 | man_in_shack | nvz, what if they consent to msg? |
| 05:21.37 | Muskie | xam: what about a radeon 9100? |
| 05:21.43 | betterwork | lolol |
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| 05:21.52 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: tar czvf /mnt/drv/yourfile.tar.gz somefile someotherfile somedir |
| 05:21.52 | xam | Nyle: http://xfree86.org/current/RELNOTES3.html#14 |
| 05:21.55 | faw | KazeNoBokusha, hmmm... is it a backup? |
| 05:22.06 | faw | KazeNoBokusha, a *important* backup? |
| 05:22.10 | betterwork | oh well gtg ppl |
| 05:22.11 | nvz | man_in_shack: its fine if the person allows, but general practice is not to tell people its a thing to do |
| 05:22.14 | rollotomnasi | ok last question , (i know it's a newbie q too.. :() is there a way to page up from CLI only? |
| 05:22.17 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, what is somefile, someotherfile, and somedir? |
| 05:22.26 | KazeNoBokusha | faw, yes, it's the important stuff from my home dir |
| 05:22.26 | faw | KazeNoBokusha, better you read man tar |
| 05:22.31 | man_in_shack | nvz, yeah ok i see your point now |
| 05:22.32 | myren | since no one answered my last reasonable rant, why does gnome always have to be such a freaking whore |
| 05:22.35 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: the files you want to backup |
| 05:22.35 | myren | i load one gnome program |
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| 05:22.40 | myren | and it takes the HELL over by background |
| 05:22.43 | faw | KazeNoBokusha, so, better you read man tar :)) |
| 05:22.45 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, and somedir? |
| 05:22.55 | betterwork | hahhaa |
| 05:23.03 | myren | and starts running its freaking desktop. AAARRRGGGG. I hate that; gnome: go to hell. |
| 05:23.05 | KazeNoBokusha | faw, yes, good idea |
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| 05:23.08 | diego | please, give a debian n00b some advice. how unstable is the testing version of debain? |
| 05:23.11 | diego | debian* |
| 05:23.17 | Muskie | you have no reason to sigh. your PC doesen't die upon boot. |
| 05:23.19 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, it's about to become stable, i hear |
| 05:23.27 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: a directory holding files you want to backup :-) (it was just a general example, I assumed you would tailor it to your exact case) |
| 05:23.29 | Nurbs | diego: it's quite stable |
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| 05:23.37 | Nurbs | diego: but still, your choice :) |
| 05:23.47 | diego | KazeNoBokusha, Nurbs: thanks, that's exactly what i wanted to hear |
| 05:24.16 | Muskie | okay, let's go from the beginning. |
| 05:24.37 | Muskie | I downloaded the Sarge netinst this morning, about 4 hours ago. |
| 05:24.37 | Nurbs | lol |
| 05:24.42 | nvz | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:24.44 | nvz | (_) |
| 05:24.47 | xam | diego: I'm running debian testign for about 4 years now, no problems at all. At my university most the postgrads now using debian testing aswell |
| 05:25.03 | Nurbs | nvz: you probably shouldn't :) |
| 05:25.06 | Muskie | download, burn, boot, install. |
| 05:25.07 | diego | xam: all right, i guess i have little to worry about then |
| 05:25.20 | nvz | Nurbs: would make it easier to align |
| 05:25.23 | Muskie | it spends the next 3 hours downloading packages. |
| 05:25.24 | xam | diego: I'd say *at least* as stable as fedora core |
| 05:25.33 | nvz | the lol snowman didnt line up right |
| 05:25.54 | Muskie | and after the configuration, things finally are all set up. |
| 05:26.02 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, so for backing up the dirs Documents, Downloads, evolution, Games, Music, Pictures, Themes, USMC-site, and Videos, I would type this: tar czvf /windows/homeiain.tar.gz Documents Downloads evolution Games Music Pictures Themes USMC-site Videos, right? |
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| 05:26.32 | man_in_shack | hmm |
| 05:26.46 | Muskie | now i boot into debian for the first time, it goes into X, brings up the login, and then the keyboard promptyle refuses to work, and after about 5 seconds, the whole system freezes. |
| 05:26.49 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: looks ok to me.. try it and see if it works like you want |
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| 05:26.57 | sussudio | !do the fucky chicken |
| 05:27.10 | diego | sussudio: (pwn3d by a bot) |
| 05:27.16 | xam | diego: however the only problem with testing is that it doesn't give you security updates in a timely manner. You should watch the debian security mailing list (announcements) and patch & compile affected packages yourself when neccessary |
| 05:27.16 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, it gzipping much faster than bzipping? |
| 05:27.17 | themusic1od1 | !do refuse |
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| 05:27.31 | sussudio | !do diego |
| 05:27.35 | man_in_shack | !kill themolester |
| 05:27.40 | man_in_shack | oops |
| 05:27.43 | man_in_shack | !kill themusic1od1 |
| 05:27.45 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: tar ztvf tarball.tar.gz will tell you what's in the tarball |
| 05:27.47 | man_in_shack | lol |
| 05:27.55 | themolester | ? |
| 05:27.57 | nvz | well you can always check out the loldudes.png for now http://68.185.202.200/loldudes.png but I do think the script would be funny |
| 05:28.12 | man_in_shack | themolester, sorry. my bad |
| 05:28.16 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: a bit faster, I think.. use bzip, if you want, no biggie (hell, it's your computer and your time, use whatever you like) |
| 05:28.16 | themolester | k |
| 05:28.25 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, OK, thanks |
| 05:28.27 | mwilson | Wheeee |
| 05:28.50 | sussudio | uh oh... mwilson's shrooms are starting to kick in |
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| 05:29.00 | nvz | heh |
| 05:29.05 | newblistic | i have a computer question can someone help me? |
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| 05:29.16 | FsckIt | mwilson: got a ride on the short bus again? |
| 05:29.19 | KazeNoBokusha | newblistic, likely |
| 05:29.20 | sussudio | newblistic: is it a debian-related question? |
| 05:29.20 | diego | xam: ty for your detailed response, i will keep that in mind. this install might only be temporary anyway, depending on how likable debian is. |
| 05:29.25 | FsckIt | oh, nevermind |
| 05:29.39 | xam | diego: no problem ;) |
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| 05:29.55 | mwilson | I wish you could stream from *nix, but at least I stream from my PB. |
| 05:30.07 | newblistic | i put a 2x video card in a 1x agp slot and now i dont have any video did i just screw it up? |
| 05:30.14 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, debian is good, but i would like to see spamassassin 3 and evolution 2 sometime, they sound like huge improvements |
| 05:30.25 | FsckIt | mwilson: um, isn't that Unix? |
| 05:30.29 | sussudio | newblistic: it is possible that your agp video card is incompatible with the AGP slot. |
| 05:30.42 | nated0g | i cancelled out of debian questions after install on the mail section and it took me to login. only have option for 800x600 |
| 05:30.53 | mwilson | FsckIt: Well, only iTunes can stream to an Airport Express. |
| 05:30.53 | aalex | how can I stop trying to start Xfree86 at startup |
| 05:30.55 | diego | how involved is the debian community as opposed to gentoo's? |
| 05:30.56 | nated0g | how can i go back and finish the Q&A session |
| 05:31.00 | KazeNoBokusha | send me the agp card and i'll send you my Radeon 7200 PCI 32MB SDR |
| 05:31.00 | mwilson | FsckIt: So I kinda need the PB. |
| 05:31.05 | newblistic | when i put the old one in its didnt work any more and i was wondering if i screwed up the slot |
| 05:31.14 | nvz | I've got 3 AGP cards here and they all have a different connector on them must be a bunch of different AGP slot types |
| 05:31.20 | FsckIt | mwilson: right, but OS X is Unix, so ... |
| 05:31.26 | Muskie | erf... |
| 05:31.30 | sussudio | nvz: just 3 |
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| 05:31.44 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, i've heard gentoo has great fora, but their channels are bitchy compared to debian's |
| 05:31.45 | sussudio | AGP, first try, AGP, second try and AGP Pro |
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| 05:32.12 | sussudio | AGP first try and second try have different voltages |
| 05:32.18 | newblistic | wasnt 2x agp out in 1999 |
| 05:32.20 | Imanewbie | my lilo i phucked up |
| 05:32.22 | diego | KazeNoBokusha: hehe true you guys have answered my bad n00b questions quite well |
| 05:32.27 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, actually i've experienced this |
| 05:32.30 | nated0g | im running sarge on a AMD system |
| 05:32.38 | sussudio | newblistic: i'm talking about the bus itself, not the speed |
| 05:32.42 | nvz | ahh so they had to change the socket to avoid idiots saying, "well it fits!" |
| 05:32.46 | Muskie | nate: so am I |
| 05:32.58 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, if you ever want gentoo help, their fora are the way to go, even if slower, their channel just isn't worth the time |
| 05:32.58 | mwilson | Gentoo has fora populated by morons. |
| 05:33.00 | Imanewbie | nate: i'm unable to set it up |
| 05:33.01 | nated0g | Muskie did you read the question i had? |
| 05:33.12 | mwilson | Utterly stupid ones. |
| 05:33.12 | Muskie | err.. no? |
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| 05:33.19 | Muskie | I must have lost it in the battlespam |
| 05:33.23 | Muskie | hold on... |
| 05:33.25 | KazeNoBokusha | mwilson, many of them, yes |
| 05:33.29 | KazeNoBokusha | but not all |
| 05:33.47 | Muskie | oh |
| 05:33.47 | sussudio | in soviet russia, the buffer reads you. |
| 05:33.52 | diego | KazeNoBokusha: well as far as gentoo goes i know enough about it to word my questions in such a way that i can usually find someone to help in #gentoo |
| 05:33.53 | mwilson | It's really not worth trying to parse the noise to locate the signal. |
| 05:33.54 | Muskie | got it, nate |
| 05:34.00 | Muskie | what kernel did you get? |
| 05:34.13 | diego | KazeNoBokusha: but when i first started out it was like i was muted :P |
| 05:34.26 | KazeNoBokusha | oh, sure, you _can_ get answers, but they just aren't as nice about it as #debian |
| 05:34.54 | nated0g | im going to say 2.6.8 it was nightly build released today |
| 05:34.59 | mwilson | People in #debian are occasionally mean, but they have a clue. Clue is few and far between in Gentoo fora. |
| 05:35.03 | Muskie | aha |
| 05:35.16 | Muskie | the K7 kernel? |
| 05:35.18 | diego | would i get a significant increase in performance by grabbing a 512mb stick of ram from another computer for the install? (making it 1gig total) |
| 05:35.29 | nated0g | is there a reset button so that it can start to ask the questions again ? |
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| 05:35.34 | sussudio | !fsck FsckIt |
| 05:35.35 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/FsckIt : warning! filesystem contains helpdesk workers! |
| 05:35.35 | nated0g | or would i have to reinstall? |
| 05:35.42 | nvz | #gentoo sounds like a training ground for BOFH Trolls |
| 05:35.46 | FsckIt | heh |
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| 05:36.35 | sussudio | BOFH's don't run linux |
| 05:36.46 | nvz | in soviet russia, the filesystem fscks you |
| 05:36.53 | ajavid | hi, when I do startx everything goes fine but it crashes, and the only erros I see in the log file are the last few lines where it can't initialize my mouse/core pointing device. I have a round pin 6 pin ps2 mouse I think with mousewheel |
| 05:36.59 | ajavid | how do I fix this |
| 05:37.02 | sussudio | nvz: no it doesn't |
| 05:37.22 | Muskie | nate: dpkg --reconfigure, I think. |
| 05:37.31 | Muskie | don't quote me on that |
| 05:37.37 | nvz | Muskie: too late |
| 05:37.56 | Muskie | ajavid: lemmeguess |
| 05:37.59 | Nyle | hi, when I do startx everything goes fine but it crashes, and the only erros I see in the log file are the last few lines where it can't initialize my mouse/core pointing device. I have a round pin 6 pin ps2 mouse I think with mousewheel. how do I fix this. I used modconf to add mouse to the kernel, could THAt be why its giving an error |
| 05:38.04 | Nyle | im ajavid btw |
| 05:38.14 | Muskie | Keyboard refuses to respond, mouse is gone, and the system locks up after about 5 seconds? |
| 05:38.27 | KazeNoBokusha | is there a way to set up apt/aptitude/synaptic where if a package requires say magicdev | gnome-volume-manager, instead of picking one, it asks you? |
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| 05:38.41 | sussudio | !tell Nyle about repeating |
| 05:38.44 | sussudio | !fuck Nyle |
| 05:38.50 | Nyle | oh sorry |
| 05:38.53 | Nyle | i didn't know i repeated |
| 05:39.02 | sussudio | i don't like this modified fuck factoid. |
| 05:39.05 | Nyle | i thought you had to identify to nickserv before u can talk in a channel |
| 05:39.07 | mwilson | Sure you didn't. |
| 05:39.10 | nvz | !pork sussudio |
| 05:39.13 | mwilson | Sure you did. |
| 05:39.16 | sussudio | !factinfo CMD: fuck (.*?) |
| 05:39.18 | dpkg | cmd: fuck (.*?) -- last modified at Fri Oct 31 22:06:24 2003 by fhffhqvb!fhff@81.68.128.2; it has been requested once, last by ninja_ at Sun Aug 1 18:36:00 2004. |
| 05:39.34 | sussudio | blah. Citral probably fucked with it again. |
| 05:39.52 | Nyle | so how do I fix this mouse problem |
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| 05:40.26 | newblistic | if my agp slot is broken cant i just get a pci video card? |
| 05:40.36 | sussudio | newblistic: yes, you can. |
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| 05:41.35 | pyramid | does someone have a list of nic cards now supported by debian-hurd |
| 05:42.10 | newblistic | does putting a 2x agp in a 1x agp ruin the slot |
| 05:42.11 | sussudio | pyramid: #hurd? |
| 05:42.17 | sussudio | newblistic: possibly. |
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| 05:42.45 | nvz | pyramid: I'd google or thats some really specific info there, that has virtually nothing to do with #debian |
| 05:42.48 | pyramid | sussudio, yes i am in hurd but no activity for awhile so i was wondering if this channel knew where i could get some updated info on supported nics |
| 05:42.58 | sussudio | pyramid: nope |
| 05:43.09 | sussudio | pyramid: just grep the kernel source or something. |
| 05:43.16 | dabreegster | Is there a good place to get cool new psf console font files besides the ones already installed? |
| 05:43.35 | pyramid | sussudio, is debian now separated completely from debian-hurd |
| 05:43.46 | sussudio | pyramid: we just don't care |
| 05:44.00 | sussudio | (nobody ever did) |
| 05:44.12 | pyramid | sussudio, oh ok...well at least that is honest. |
| 05:44.17 | newblistic | was 2x agp already out in 1999 |
| 05:44.34 | sussudio | newblistic: yes, it was. i have a 1997 board with it. |
| 05:45.02 | nvz | oh well I am going to sleep I am getting more uncomfortable every minute |
| 05:45.16 | pyramid | sussudio, but i would not say nobody...i have an interest in debian-hurd |
| 05:45.16 | sussudio | nvz: bunnies? |
| 05:45.19 | nvz | damn! |
| 05:45.22 | diego | nvz: have fun sleeping |
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| 05:45.26 | FsckIt | pyramid: which mach is hurd using now.. oskit? or gnumach2? |
| 05:45.26 | sussudio | pyramid: start your own channel |
| 05:45.46 | pyramid | FsckIt, well i heard it is 1.3..that is the last i heard. |
| 05:45.51 | nvz | I swear I was just going to say "sussudio: now keep them bunnies to yourself" |
| 05:46.03 | pyramid | FsckIt, is there 2.0 now |
| 05:46.13 | nvz | read it right off the top of my head |
| 05:46.17 | diego | sussudio: what does your nick mean? |
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| 05:46.27 | sussudio | diego: dances with badgers |
| 05:46.28 | FsckIt | pyramid: um, I think I meant 1.3.. |
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| 05:46.32 | nvz | heh |
| 05:46.33 | newblistic | man i have one board that has a 1999 video card and the agp slot is 1x which i asumed it was 2x now i think i ruined the slot with a 2x video card becasue the old one doesnt even work now |
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| 05:46.50 | nvz | dances with badgers to phil colins |
| 05:46.51 | diego | sussudio: in what language? |
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| 05:46.53 | nvz | !sing sussudio |
| 05:46.56 | initech | diego: i think it's a horrid old phil collins song |
| 05:47.14 | FsckIt | pyramid: yeah, oskit-mach will be 2.0, I think, one of these days |
| 05:47.21 | pyramid | FsckIt, i heard they are up to k7 now...so it must have improved some since i used it last. |
| 05:47.24 | sussudio | diego: inuit |
| 05:47.25 | KazeNoBokusha | if debian isn't necessarily linux (hurd) and isn't necessarily gnu (bsd), then what is it necessarily? |
| 05:47.30 | nvz | initech: not even sussudio is demented enough to name themselves after that song |
| 05:47.49 | FsckIt | k7? |
| 05:47.53 | diego | no one ever answered this: would i get a significant increase in performance by grabbing a 512mb stick of ram from another computer for the install? (making it 1gig total) |
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| 05:48.04 | initech | nvz: yet there is a factoid about it ;) |
| 05:48.15 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, not for the install, i'd think |
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| 05:48.26 | pyramid | FsckIt, yes you can get k7 now from Italy somewhere...i saw it a while back |
| 05:48.26 | nvz | initech: irresistable coincidence I would assume |
| 05:48.32 | KazeNoBokusha | hell, my friend has 56MB and it went as fast as my 256MB install |
| 05:48.34 | Imanewbie | can I set up kde with debian cds1 and 2? |
| 05:48.49 | diego | hmm all right. wasn't sure cause it definitely would have been beneficial on gentoo |
| 05:49.10 | nvz | hah |
| 05:49.14 | pyramid | FsckIt, but there is a great chance it will not work with your nic...which is why i am looking for an updated nic list |
| 05:49.30 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, heh |
| 05:49.40 | nvz | diego: yeah when you were all doped up on pcp and your gentooitis was acting up, and you were hallucinating |
| 05:49.45 | nvz | !gentooitis |
| 05:49.46 | dpkg | methinks gentooitis is a mental disorder which causes the sufferer to feel a constant craving for ever-higher version numbers, despite any warnings of bugs, problems, incompatibilities or other obstacles to productivity. Sufferers will often spend hours or days recompiling perfectly good packages for no benefit. Other symptoms include the use of mysql in place of ordinary text files, or the use of XML in any context whatsoever. |
| 05:50.02 | diego | nvz: freak. |
| 05:50.05 | FsckIt | pyramid: well, what kind of nic do you have? |
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| 05:50.15 | KazeNoBokusha | doesn't gnome extensively use xml? |
| 05:50.48 | pyramid | FsckIt, well i have a few...but i last booted hurd on an ne2000 clone...however i have some new nics now and i was wondering which ones are now supported |
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| 05:51.07 | mwilson | KazeNoBokusha: That's a recommendation? |
| 05:51.21 | FsckIt | pyramid: probably the same as before, if they are still using gnumach 1.3 |
| 05:51.28 | KazeNoBokusha | diego, when i tried gentoo, it would never compile, and i finally found out that one of my two $50 (at the time) 256MB DDR400 sticks had gone bad |
| 05:51.33 | KazeNoBokusha | mwilson, no |
| 05:51.42 | KazeNoBokusha | mwilson, i just thought it did |
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| 05:51.53 | pyramid | FsckIt, what was the name of the alternative mach kernel you said might be version 2 |
| 05:52.12 | FsckIt | pyramid: oskit-mach |
| 05:52.35 | pyramid | FsckIt, hmm..thanks let me google for some info on that |
| 05:52.37 | KazeNoBokusha | speaking of kernels, i have a debian question |
| 05:52.42 | KazeNoBokusha | if debian isn't necessarily linux (hurd) and isn't necessarily gnu (bsd), then what is it necessarily? |
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| 05:53.09 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: read the social contract for starters |
| 05:53.11 | holycow | its debian |
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| 05:54.07 | KazeNoBokusha | so debian just provides free (as in debian-type of free) software for gnu/linux and non-gnu/non-linux as well? |
| 05:54.21 | KazeNoBokusha | free stuff for everything? |
| 05:54.44 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: "just provides free" <-- quite underestimated |
| 05:54.52 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: um, the Debian BSD is still GNU stuff, just on a BSD kernel |
| 05:54.54 | KazeNoBokusha | what else does it do? |
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| 05:55.14 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, oh i thought there was for example bsd ping and gnu ping |
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| 05:55.51 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: what do you mean "what else does it do?" isn't that enough? |
| 05:56.00 | caca | anyone knows what file i have to edit to put squid at startup? |
| 05:56.03 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: there is.. Debian uses gnu ping, whereas FreeBSD (for example) uses bsd ping |
| 05:56.09 | sussudio | caca: man update-rc.d |
| 05:56.12 | KazeNoBokusha | initech, you said it doesn't just provide free, so what else does it do? |
| 05:56.15 | caca | thanks |
| 05:56.24 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, why? |
| 05:56.51 | dabreegs1er | What's the best place to find psf console fonts, besides the standard ones? |
| 05:56.52 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: i said no such thing |
| 05:57.01 | KazeNoBokusha | <initech> KazeNoBokusha: "just provides free" <-- quite underestimated |
| 05:57.07 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: why what? |
| 05:57.17 | KazeNoBokusha | suggesting that i was underestimating what it does if that's what i think |
| 05:57.27 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, why use gnu ping on bsd? |
| 05:57.49 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: meaning "just provides free software" is a ridiculous statement |
| 05:58.07 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: because that's what they want to do... if they provided all the BSD utils, then it wouldn't be Debian, it would be a BSD variant |
| 05:58.13 | KazeNoBokusha | initech, ok, leave out the `just' |
| 05:58.42 | KazeNoBokusha | FsckIt, so debian linux and debian bsd, the only difference is the kernel? |
| 05:58.47 | Penix | plus Glibc is used so you're obviously going to use gnu tools |
| 05:58.49 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: the core of debian is the management system, dpkg, apt, et al |
| 05:58.58 | Penix | KazeNoBokusha: pretty much |
| 05:59.10 | afra | I'm trying to set up a server to run some personal sites on it for apache and postgresql. however, is "testing" a good branch of debian to install - "stable" has too many old packages... |
| 05:59.11 | KazeNoBokusha | initech, FC can use apt as well |
| 05:59.15 | pyramid | FsckIt, hmmm.... i was reading about that mach2 and it says you don't need to debian cross-compile anymore but the process is unclear. |
| 05:59.27 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: you have not been using debian long, if at all |
| 05:59.40 | FsckIt | KazeNoBokusha: and some surrounding utils, yes (for instance, debian bsd doesn't use modprobe) |
| 05:59.42 | Penix | KazeNoBokusha: they both use the same c library and gnu userland, debian tools etc. just with some kernel-specific modifications obviously |
| 06:00.02 | pyramid | FsckIt, maybe gnu is distancing itself from debian..i don't know. |
| 06:00.07 | KazeNoBokusha | OK |
| 06:00.10 | aalex | what should be my vertical sync if my card accepts 800/600 @ 60 Hz ? |
| 06:00.15 | FsckIt | pyramid: what do you mean? |
| 06:00.31 | Subvertir | I don't see why. Debian is gangsta. |
| 06:00.38 | Subvertir | For lack of a better word =D |
| 06:00.41 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: it is also distinct in that debian is a democratic organization unlike any other organization that distributes software |
| 06:00.44 | pyramid | FsckIt, well it looks like they will no longer require debian's support to install the hurd. |
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| 06:01.09 | KazeNoBokusha | aalex, look up the specs for your monitor |
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| 06:01.19 | KazeNoBokusha | it varies |
| 06:01.26 | pyramid | FsckIt, although the details are unclear...i am looking at hurd.gnufans.org |
| 06:01.26 | mohohaha | someone run mod_perl on apache2? i got module loaded but script doesn't work |
| 06:01.34 | initech | KazeNoBokusha: debian has a constitution and a contract with its users, try to find that in fedora core dump |
| 06:01.52 | smo | KazeNoBokusha: apt-rpm misses the point. apt's not about the tool. the strength lies in a colossal repository of packages that are all packaged to a sane policy |
| 06:02.05 | initech | smo: thank you |
| 06:02.08 | Nurbs | and the tools :) |
| 06:02.14 | mohohaha | plz help |
| 06:02.14 | KazeNoBokusha | initech, smo, OK |
| 06:02.15 | mohohaha | plz |
| 06:02.19 | mohohaha | help |
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| 06:02.21 | Subvertir | Yah, if there were no rules for packages debian would suck |
| 06:02.27 | Subvertir | I know this, because I'm dumb and made some .debs |
| 06:02.37 | mohohaha | plz anyone run mod_perl on apache2? i got module loaded but script doesn't work |
| 06:02.46 | Nurbs | mohohaha: go away, moron |
| 06:03.00 | mohohaha | what? |
| 06:03.10 | Penix | !tell mohohaha about repeat |
| 06:03.28 | mohohaha | someone must know the answer |
| 06:03.29 | Subvertir | 128mb of ram cramps my style |
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| 06:03.40 | mohohaha | i got module loaded but script doesn't work |
| 06:03.44 | mohohaha | why is that |
| 06:03.48 | mohohaha | module loaded fine |
| 06:03.51 | Nurbs | how should we know? |
| 06:03.56 | FsckIt | pyramid: um, I'm pretty sure that means that you no longer need a *Linux* cross-compiler, which is probably a good thing |
| 06:03.56 | mohohaha | help |
| 06:03.57 | _Imanewbie_ | there is any place I can find a list of must know commands to startup debian? |
| 06:04.00 | Nurbs | describe the problem more thouroughly in less lines, mohohaha |
| 06:04.02 | mohohaha | someone must know i know |
| 06:04.06 | Nurbs | mohohaha: and fucking stop repeating |
| 06:04.11 | pyramid | FsckIt, do you know why there is so much news these days about Linux Standards Base...and only one set of standard libraries..is redhat and suse taking over completely |
| 06:04.11 | sussudio | Penix: http://clc1.com/Woodstore/index.shtml |
| 06:04.13 | mohohaha | im not repeating |
| 06:04.19 | mohohaha | if you scrool up |
| 06:04.22 | Nurbs | then you're stupid, too |
| 06:04.37 | mohohaha | mod_perl2 on apache2.. |
| 06:04.40 | pyramid | FsckIt, in the news it said even gentoo was thinking about going to lsb |
| 06:04.44 | Subvertir | _Imanewbie_: there are any number of introductory linux books, which in conjunction with more specific books like o'reilly's linux in a nutshell and the debian docs, you should be able to use linux pretty well pretty soon |
| 06:04.44 | KazeNoBokusha | mohohaha, you are repeating |
| 06:04.46 | mohohaha | what i need to put in httpd.conf |
| 06:04.52 | mohohaha | no |
| 06:05.00 | KazeNoBokusha | <mohohaha> plz |
| 06:05.00 | KazeNoBokusha | <mohohaha> help |
| 06:05.04 | KazeNoBokusha | <mohohaha> help |
| 06:05.05 | Nurbs | mohohaha: describe your problem completely in one line and say what you try, what doesn't work and what the symptoms are |
| 06:05.08 | mohohaha | module loaded |
| 06:05.08 | Penix | mohohaha: #apache |
| 06:05.10 | _Imanewbie_ | Subvertir: Im used to slackware but debian seems to have fancy commands |
| 06:05.10 | KazeNoBokusha | that's repeating |
| 06:05.17 | FsckIt | pyramid: um, no.. Debian follows the LSB, too.. it's not like LSB == RedHat |
| 06:05.19 | Subvertir | _Imanewbie_: they have man pages |
| 06:05.22 | afra | I'm trying to set up a server to run some personal sites on it for apache and postgresql. however, is "testing" a good branch of debian to install - "stable" has too many old packages... |
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| 06:05.32 | mick_laptop | does `mail` support attachments? |
| 06:05.38 | _Imanewbie_ | I have no time to guet man guessing |
| 06:05.44 | pyramid | FsckIt, well it says that with LSB everyone must use rpm...and i thought that was Redhat and Suse |
| 06:05.53 | mick_laptop | man mail says nothinga bout it |
| 06:05.54 | Nurbs | pyramid: no, it doesn't |
| 06:05.55 | Subvertir | man pages + google = enlightenment |
| 06:06.02 | mohohaha | ok i'm in #apache |
| 06:06.06 | mohohaha | hope someone alive there |
| 06:06.09 | KazeNoBokusha | afra, ymmv, but it works for me |
| 06:06.10 | Penix | afra: if you need a stable production system, use stable, possibly with backports if you really need newer packages. testing *can* be a good server, but becareful |
| 06:06.15 | Nurbs | pyramid: one just needs to support rpm afaik |
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| 06:06.24 | pyramid | Nurbs, well that is what i read in the news. |
| 06:06.27 | mohohaha | noone run apache with perl huh |
| 06:06.28 | Nurbs | pyramid: and debian does that through alien |
| 06:06.28 | Penix | afra: only stable gets security updates too |
| 06:06.30 | mohohaha | you kids |
| 06:06.42 | mohohaha | what you do here all day, apt-get? |
| 06:06.49 | Subvertir | and masturbate |
| 06:06.51 | Subvertir | every 30 mins |
| 06:06.52 | mohohaha | is that it |
| 06:06.52 | pyramid | Nurbs, yes i know..alien has been around for a long time...i used to use it a long time ago with slackware |
| 06:06.53 | Nurbs | Penix: and testing, before release :) |
| 06:06.59 | Subvertir | Yeah, that pretty much covers it |
| 06:07.04 | FsckIt | pyramid: well, don't believe everything you read |
| 06:07.05 | Subvertir | I think a few people in here have "jobs" |
| 06:07.10 | Subvertir | I'm not sure I buy it though... |
| 06:07.14 | Penix | what's a job? |
| 06:07.19 | _Imanewbie_ | wich cds i need to install kde on debian? the pakage slection seems confuse to me |
| 06:07.28 | Penix | a...cron job? |
| 06:07.29 | mohohaha | your job is tell dpkg to tell him this and that |
| 06:07.34 | initech | mohohaha: it is only that no one wants to deal with your question, because it is trivial |
| 06:07.35 | mohohaha | that's what you do here |
| 06:07.37 | pyramid | FsckIt, well you are very correct there...but sometimes what i read is discomforting to say the least. |
| 06:07.39 | Nurbs | Subvertir: I think it's better to ignore the troll :) |
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| 06:07.56 | Penix | sussudio: hah |
| 06:07.57 | mohohaha | because every debian user is newbie |
| 06:08.00 | Penix | sussudio: yay. free wood! |
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| 06:08.06 | Penix | family discount |
| 06:08.10 | sussudio | Penix: hardwood too. |
| 06:08.15 | Penix | sussudio: the best kind |
| 06:08.21 | mohohaha | how many of you run apache web server |
| 06:08.24 | afra | Penix: how come in one /etc/apt/sources.list, I see both http://http.us.debian.org/debian woody main and underneath http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main? |
| 06:08.26 | Subvertir | I really liked how I just pulled the drive out of my old box and put it in this compaq and everything worked great |
| 06:08.29 | KazeNoBokusha | mohohaha, then don't use debian, and don't ask us what to do since you're not a debian user |
| 06:08.40 | Penix | afra: because you put it there? |
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| 06:08.58 | afra | Penix, No I didn't..but I mean does it try from woody first for a package and then proceed to testing? |
| 06:09.23 | Subvertir | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=151503http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=151503 |
| 06:09.25 | Subvertir | that owns me |
| 06:09.31 | pyramid | is Bruce Perens still in charge of debian since HP fired him |
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| 06:09.41 | afra | Nurbs, so testing does get security fixes? |
| 06:09.47 | Penix | pyramid: in charge as in, project leader? |
| 06:09.56 | Nurbs | afra: no, not in general. only short before release |
| 06:09.59 | FsckIt | pyramid: bruce perens hasn't been debian project leader in years and years |
| 06:10.01 | Penix | pyramid: perens hasn't been leader in ages |
| 06:10.03 | initech | HP fired Bruce Perens? |
| 06:10.07 | pyramid | Penix, well i was thinking more like chief spokesman or something |
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| 06:10.31 | KazeNoBokusha | debian is supposed to be really secure, but i've heard of a security problem with firefox (their site tells me to update, or used to for a few days), yet there is no new version. why is this? |
| 06:10.47 | initech | i think Mr Perens has enough cash to not worry about it at all |
| 06:10.49 | Nurbs | KazeNoBokusha: stable debian doesn't come with firefox iirc. |
| 06:10.53 | sussudio | i need to kill whoever requested an hour of preteen pop on thebox |
| 06:10.54 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: debian stable is secure, and it doesn't have firefox.. |
| 06:10.54 | afra | Nurbs, damn, so I guess I must use "stable" then in case problems of ssh occur or something down the line |
| 06:10.57 | KazeNoBokusha | i'm not using stable |
| 06:11.06 | Nurbs | KazeNoBokusha: then you're on your own |
| 06:11.09 | KazeNoBokusha | right |
| 06:11.11 | The_Vulture | what Nurbs said |
| 06:11.13 | pyramid | FsckIt, well is Ian and his wife still involved in debian |
| 06:11.16 | [bman] | initech: I bet he would say different |
| 06:11.20 | KazeNoBokusha | testing is supposed to be fairly stable, right? |
| 06:11.25 | KazeNoBokusha | only unstable is truely so |
| 06:11.25 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: testing is probably the worst choice for security |
| 06:11.26 | KazeNoBokusha | i hear |
| 06:11.35 | sussudio | KazeNoBokusha: no, that would be stable that's stable. |
| 06:11.37 | Nurbs | KazeNoBokusha: even that's relative :) |
| 06:11.43 | smo | I believe Parens is currently leading the UserLinux project. still out there, just in different ways |
| 06:11.44 | sussudio | !dict stable |
| 06:11.48 | The_Vulture | it doesn't have security updates, and it takes weeks for things to get through unstable, so it has the largest lag on security fixes |
| 06:11.52 | The_Vulture | in general |
| 06:11.52 | Penix | KazeNoBokusha: 0.10.1 is the latest firefox release, and it's in unstable |
| 06:11.52 | KazeNoBokusha | right, but if it's neither stable nor unstable, it's in between, right? |
| 06:11.56 | dpkg | i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at ./src/Modules/Dict.pl line 39. |
| 06:11.56 | pyramid | FsckIt, i forget Ian's last name but i heard they sort of founded debian |
| 06:11.58 | FsckIt | pyramid: I think Ian is a principal member/founder of Progeny |
| 06:12.06 | sussudio | O_o |
| 06:12.07 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: it terms of security, testing is generally the worst choice |
| 06:12.12 | Penix | KazeNoBokusha: I mean experimental |
| 06:12.19 | _Imanewbie_ | where do I slect packages during debian install |
| 06:12.21 | pyramid | FsckIt, what is progeny |
| 06:12.22 | Penix | KazeNoBokusha: so if you really want it, it's there |
| 06:12.24 | The_Vulture | (that's not to say unstable is a good choice, if you want security, you should be using stable) |
| 06:12.35 | sussudio | the bot must be OOM'ing again |
| 06:12.41 | [bman] | since when did #debian turn into a sewing circle? |
| 06:12.52 | sussudio | [bman]: it's sunday |
| 06:12.55 | FsckIt | pyramid: http://www.progeny.com/ |
| 06:12.55 | KazeNoBokusha | The_Vulture, that sucks, because stable is gnome 1.4, a real eyesore |
| 06:12.58 | [bman] | sussudio: ah |
| 06:13.02 | Penix | crap. it is sunday |
| 06:13.03 | sussudio | !sunday |
| 06:13.03 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all freaks swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:13.04 | bonez39 | mailman help |
| 06:13.07 | KazeNoBokusha | and i doubt it even has evolution |
| 06:13.09 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: use BlackBox instead :) |
| 06:13.16 | [bman] | lol |
| 06:13.35 | mohohaha | or icewm |
| 06:13.36 | Nurbs | KazeNoBokusha: with experimental you get evolution 2. come over onto the dark side |
| 06:13.38 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: having bleeding edge packages all the time means instability.. that's the nature of the beast.. |
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| 06:13.57 | The_Vulture | Nurbs: if you want to support his use of experimental, continue that line, if not.. don't ;) |
| 06:13.58 | KazeNoBokusha | The_Vulture, thank you, but i like gtk and all it's goodies |
| 06:14.07 | [bman] | I know this guy, who knows this girl, who know this person that funded this open-source project... uh crap I forgot the name of it... lol |
| 06:14.10 | Nurbs | The_Vulture: hehe |
| 06:14.16 | pyramid | hey this progeny interests me...especially the roll your own distro stuff |
| 06:14.17 | Penix | KazeNoBokusha: testing can be alright for a desktop |
| 06:14.18 | Nurbs | The_Vulture: I would give paid support :) |
| 06:14.19 | KazeNoBokusha | i'd use gnustep, but it doesn't have enough good apps for it |
| 06:14.20 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: sucks to be you I guess.. wait a few months until sarge goes stable.. |
| 06:14.24 | _Imanewbie_ | well lemme re-ask, there isnt any package selection on debian install? |
| 06:14.35 | The_Vulture | _Imanewbie_: sure there is |
| 06:14.42 | The_Vulture | after the reboot it runs tasksel and dselect.. |
| 06:14.49 | sussudio | unstable is nice if you like things violently stuffed up you IRL |
| 06:14.51 | FsckIt | [bman]: 37?!? |
| 06:14.55 | The_Vulture | that's where you select packages to install - I'm sure the installation documentation covers this |
| 06:15.11 | mohohaha | unstable is nice if you like crashes |
| 06:15.12 | KazeNoBokusha | it didn't run dselect for me |
| 06:15.18 | KazeNoBokusha | it ran aptitude |
| 06:15.24 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: I can't say I recall any crashes in unstable.. *shrugs* |
| 06:15.30 | _Imanewbie_ | cooç |
| 06:15.36 | _Imanewbie_ | what else should I know |
| 06:15.36 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: you didn't install woody then.. |
| 06:15.37 | _Imanewbie_ | ? |
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| 06:15.47 | _Imanewbie_ | like must know commands to have kde and internet |
| 06:15.47 | klx | - -" |
| 06:15.47 | KazeNoBokusha | good point |
| 06:15.49 | The_Vulture | _Imanewbie_: you should know everything in the install docs :) |
| 06:15.54 | The_Vulture | that's what they are there for |
| 06:16.14 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, you are just lucky |
| 06:16.26 | The_Vulture | or I pay attention to the BTS.. |
| 06:16.28 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, remember i was learning perl couple days ago? |
| 06:16.32 | Penix | speaking of installation, have to do a fresh net install of sarge and a dist-upgrade to sid tonight. gotta love dialup |
| 06:16.34 | The_Vulture | vaguely |
| 06:16.43 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, now i try to get mod_perl2 to work.. but no luck :( |
| 06:16.46 | The_Vulture | Penix: sounds like fun |
| 06:16.59 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: are you using apache in woody yet, or are you still playing with other things? |
| 06:17.09 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: have you tried other CGI scripts, such as basic shell scripts? |
| 06:17.10 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, no, just apache2 |
| 06:17.16 | initech | damnit, i lost the powerball |
| 06:17.21 | sussudio | !penixconnect |
| 06:17.22 | dpkg | Penixconnect; to use the internet through second hand dialup (can + string) |
| 06:17.35 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, no, are perl and cgi related? |
| 06:17.48 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: you were using perl through cgi last time you were asking, if I'm not mistaken.. |
| 06:17.50 | sussudio | !status |
| 06:17.50 | dpkg | Since Fri Oct 8 19:16:50 2004, there have been 12 modifications, 592 questions, 188 dunnos, 2 morons and 209 commands. I have been awake for 1d 11h 1m 1s this session, and currently reference 24530 factoids. I'm using about 18392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 193.53/10.35 child 237.5/20.22 |
| 06:17.51 | Penix | I really should buy a dsl modem this week and starting saving for the connection fee |
| 06:18.00 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, does apache2 runs different under woody or sarge? |
| 06:18.00 | The_Vulture | but I guess yer trying modperl now, so you're not using it through cgi |
| 06:18.03 | KazeNoBokusha | that reminds me, can my friend get online from debian sarge with aol dialup? |
| 06:18.16 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: apach2 doesn't run under woody, (well not any official apache2 packages anyway) |
| 06:18.24 | _Imanewbie_ | debian uses this dselct stuff |
| 06:18.28 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, it's sid |
| 06:18.31 | sussudio | isn't that process time really fucking high? |
| 06:18.47 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: so you have a sid system with debian apache2 packages? ok.. that's a start |
| 06:18.55 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: you were the one having errors from suexec, right? |
| 06:18.57 | _Imanewbie_ | and tasksel slack just asks your for wich packages install in main istallation process |
| 06:19.10 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, yah, i checked error.log, the module loaded |
| 06:19.42 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: what's the current problem/ |
| 06:19.56 | dabreegs1er | Where's a good place to get cool psf console fonts? |
| 06:20.06 | sussudio | The_Vulture: amperage? |
| 06:20.15 | Penix | is something like dd if=/dev/cdrom of=output.iso possible? |
| 06:20.30 | Subvertir | dabreegs1er: iirc some come with bashish (google for it), and bashish also rocks |
| 06:20.40 | Subvertir | even if it is the most convoluted piece of software ever |
| 06:20.48 | mohohaha | [Sun Oct 10 01:47:29 2004] [notice] Apache/2.0.50 (Debian) mod_perl/1.99_16 Perl/v5.8.5 configured -- resuming normal operation |
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| 06:20.56 | dabreegs1er | Subvertir: iirc? bashish? ok |
| 06:21.03 | smo | Penix: That's my usual method. as long as they're not multi-track (audio, vcd, etc) disks |
| 06:21.05 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: I don't see how that's a problem, as such.. |
| 06:21.10 | Subvertir | if i recall correctly |
| 06:21.21 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, problem is: siudong.ath.cx/test.pl |
| 06:21.32 | Penix | smo: just a qnx cd. should work then |
| 06:21.40 | Nurbs | mohohaha: [ ] you did use AddType for .pl? |
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| 06:22.02 | mohohaha | Nurbs, how to do that |
| 06:22.10 | Nurbs | look into apache2.conf |
| 06:22.20 | Nurbs | iirc |
| 06:22.21 | aalex | Guys, I really need not to automatically start Xfree86 every time I start up my linux P1. Where is the line I should put in comment in the config files ? |
| 06:22.32 | Nurbs | and then google... or read documentation |
| 06:22.44 | Penix | aalex: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 06:22.47 | KazeNoBokusha | aalex, you need to get rid of xdm |
| 06:22.55 | The_Vulture | Nurbs: I'm not sure that'd solve anything.. but it might.. |
| 06:23.42 | coywolf | hi all, anyone past me the x line of your /etc/inittab? i am adding runlevel 5 to my inittab |
| 06:23.53 | aalex | apt-get remove xdm kdm |
| 06:24.04 | KazeNoBokusha | not to mention gdm |
| 06:24.06 | KazeNoBokusha | and wdm |
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| 06:24.10 | KazeNoBokusha | if you have them |
| 06:24.32 | coywolf | ? |
| 06:24.35 | mohohaha | addtype is for mod_php |
| 06:24.36 | coywolf | speaking to me? |
| 06:24.51 | Nurbs | mohohaha: not only |
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| 06:25.16 | Subvertir | told you it was neat |
| 06:26.15 | dabreegs1er | Subvertir: resources page is invaluable too |
| 06:26.47 | Subvertir | I think it already comes with a couple cool fonts |
| 06:27.11 | aalex | thanks, Penix, KazeNoBokusha |
| 06:27.23 | aalex | got rid of xdm |
| 06:27.53 | dabreegs1er | Subvertir: resources page leads to loads more |
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| 06:28.31 | KazeNoBokusha | i have installed memtest86+ but i don't know what to do with it (can't run it once booted, i assume). it's in /boot, do i just add it to menu.lst for GRUB? |
| 06:28.34 | KazeNoBokusha | aalex, np |
| 06:28.51 | The_Vulture | KazeNoBokusha: you can run it once booted, but you can't do a full scan then. |
| 06:29.02 | The_Vulture | when I installed it it automatically inserted itself in to the lilo boot menu |
| 06:29.06 | The_Vulture | I just choose it on boot |
| 06:29.08 | KazeNoBokusha | The_Vulture, OK |
| 06:29.22 | KazeNoBokusha | The_Vulture, didn't work for me with grub |
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| 06:29.32 | The_Vulture | *shrugs* |
| 06:29.33 | KazeNoBokusha | The_Vulture, you on testing? would it matter if you aren't? |
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| 06:30.02 | The_Vulture | sid, not sure what I was on at the time i installed memtest, probably sid, but it was almost a year ago, so whatever behaviour I was seening then is probably in sarge by now |
| 06:30.50 | Nurbs | mohohaha: I'm sorry, I guess it was AddHandler perl-script .pl |
| 06:30.58 | The_Vulture | http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/intro/start_fast.html#Installation |
| 06:31.04 | The_Vulture | that might help.. bing the documentation and all |
| 06:31.20 | The_Vulture | would need to adjust a few of the things to suit debian, etc, but it's where I'd start |
| 06:31.47 | The_Vulture | "Registry Scripts".. SetHandler, PerlRespensoHandler, PerlOptions, Options, etc.. |
| 06:31.56 | The_Vulture | amazing what one finds in TFM. |
| 06:32.26 | Nurbs | hm, too bad it doesn't come with the package, though |
| 06:32.54 | The_Vulture | it's probably in: libapache-mod-perl-doc - mod_perl documentation |
| 06:32.58 | The_Vulture | I'm betting anyway. |
| 06:33.05 | sabmoc | as far as installing software goes, will the packages that are being held back by apt ever just automatically *stop* being held back, or does the user have to intervene somehow |
| 06:33.13 | The_Vulture | well that's probably for apache1.. oh well |
| 06:33.27 | The_Vulture | nope, says it covers both.. |
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| 06:33.59 | rich_ | sabmoc I think if you put the package on hold, it stays on hold until you release it |
| 06:34.36 | Nurbs | The_Vulture: hm, indeed |
| 06:34.49 | Nurbs | The_Vulture: except only version 1.x, dunno how much has changed |
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| 06:35.17 | sabmoc | rich_ i dont think i have ever put a package on hold, Im talking about when I go through the process of "apt-get upgrade" it tells me some packages are held back, but others can be upgraded, did i do something to make some packages get held back?? |
| 06:35.59 | The_Vulture | sabmoc: you didn't, the packages did |
| 06:36.15 | The_Vulture | packages will be held back when upgrading if upgrading would require installation of packages you don't have installed |
| 06:36.16 | vegetax | hi i have a debian sarge instalation and the wxwindows look and feel is gtk1.x (the horrrible one), how can i make it to take the gtk 2 feel? |
| 06:36.17 | sabmoc | i thought that was some package maintainer thing thats flaged for certain packages |
| 06:36.21 | The_Vulture | dist-upgrade instead, or unhold them explicitly |
| 06:37.08 | sabmoc | The_Vulture: ah i see, so i have to manually tell the system to upgrade those packages so that it will install the new dependency package |
| 06:37.21 | The_Vulture | sabmoc: yes, or you can just use dist-upgrade instead |
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| 06:37.28 | Mr_Smiley | what config file do i edit to enable fastwrites on my 3d card? |
| 06:37.31 | sabmoc | The_Vulture: is that safe? |
| 06:38.08 | The_Vulture | Nurbs: nope, just checked the package contents, they seem to match the website and contain documentation for mod_perl 2.0 |
| 06:38.20 | The_Vulture | sabmoc: *shrugs* dunno if either is any more or less safe |
| 06:38.30 | mohohaha | dam i have no luck |
| 06:38.41 | Nurbs | The_Vulture: *sigh* :) |
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| 06:38.45 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: why would you need luck, you just have to read the docs.. |
| 06:38.58 | The_Vulture | they seem pretty complete to me.. |
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| 06:39.20 | sabmoc | The_Vulture: ok, i just meant "is it a weird way to do it, or is it normal" because I've never been in the habit to do it that way |
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| 06:39.32 | KazeNoBokusha | !kp |
| 06:39.34 | dpkg | i heard kp is To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
| 06:39.50 | teemy | I can't find a way to tell ssmtp to use an other port than 25. Did I overlook something? |
| 06:39.51 | The_Vulture | sabmoc: *shrugs* dunno if it's abnormal, but you'd be doing the same thing either way |
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| 06:40.11 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, i'm following all steps in the site you gave me.. but it just won't work |
| 06:40.16 | sabmoc | The_Vulture: ok, thanks bro |
| 06:40.36 | sabmoc | compiling kernels the debian way kicks ass on compiling ANY OTHER WAY |
| 06:40.40 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: ok, you've known me, and places like this long enough to know not to say "x doesn't work".. |
| 06:40.51 | sabmoc | at least any way that i've ever seen |
| 06:40.57 | The_Vulture | sabmoc: I wouldn't know, I've never had the desire or need to build a kernel in debian or out of it :) |
| 06:41.25 | The_Vulture | mohohaha: so, exactly what step do you get to, when following those instructions to the letter, and what happens that differs from the results documented ? |
| 06:41.46 | dabreegs1er | Subvertir: on second though, bashish is major overkill. Just a psf font was needed :-P |
| 06:41.54 | sabmoc | The_Vulture: i prefer plain stock kernels so i keep my kernel version fairly recent |
| 06:42.16 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, i was doing http://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/user/intro/start_fast.html |
| 06:42.29 | mohohaha | The_Vulture, the result is same http://siudong.ath.cx/test.pl |
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| 06:43.03 | The_Vulture | Follow the docs TO THE LETTER. Not to the spirit, not to the "what I think they mean" but to the exact letter. |
| 06:43.31 | The_Vulture | the docs don't explain how to get a perl script working in any root or virtual host or anything like that, but in a /perl/ subdir.. |
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| 06:43.48 | The_Vulture | just follow them word for word, that way when and if something does go wrong, it should be far more clear to all concerned |
| 06:44.02 | rich_ | I heard that if you compile the kernel useing kpgk you end up with a kernel deb file you can save. But when I compile the kernel according to the instructions that come with it, I get a config file, thats smaller and easier to archive, and yet allows me to recreate the same kernel anytime I want to. |
| 06:44.16 | sabmoc | The_Vulture: that sounds so easy, but its actually (as you know im sure) a very hard thing to do |
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| 06:44.37 | The_Vulture | sabmoc: depends on the docs |
| 06:44.41 | vegetax | hi i have a debian sarge instalation and the wxwindows look and feel is gtk1.x (the horrrible one), how can i make it to take the gtk 2 feel? |
| 06:45.10 | The_Vulture | rich_: but then you need to go and get the source again. The advantage of a deb is that you can just transfer it to other PCs, rather than having to retrieve the source, transfer your config, and rebuild the kernel. |
| 06:45.30 | vegetax | i think wxwindows libs are precompiled for gtk 1.0 only |
| 06:45.52 | xam | rich_ sure, but if you have a couple of machines with the same spec, you can simply copy the kernel-.deb to the other machines and install the new kernel. If you just have the .config, you have to compile the kernel again ... |
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| 06:46.04 | rich_ | The_Vulture I see. So if I dont have a multitude of pcs, theres no advantage of a deb? |
| 06:46.10 | sabmoc | The_Vulture: yeah, and i think also a bit of perhaps egotism sometimes, people tend to assume to much and tend to try to fit new information in with stuff they already know (stuff they know is sometimes wrong) and so things go all wonky |
| 06:46.21 | The_Vulture | rich_: well there's still the non-recompile advantage, even on the same system |
| 06:46.46 | The_Vulture | for a one off usage there might be less advantages, but then you aren't comparing the reusability of either configs or debs |
| 06:46.57 | The_Vulture | sabmoc: indeed |
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| 06:47.32 | xam | rich_: not really. However there are some debianized 3rd party kernel modules that take advantage if you have created the kernel the debian way. So if you only have one PC, and if you don't use those 3rd party kernel modules provided by debian, then there is no advantage |
| 06:47.48 | sabmoc | i think the best advice i have ever been given is still "rtfm" |
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| 06:48.25 | sussudio | sabmoc: that and "beware of the bunny" |
| 06:48.53 | rich_ | So instead of compileing kernels when I need them I should just save them and re-use them? Seems to me like a shameful waste of disk space. But I understand why people who are afraid they cant compile might think that waste was acceptable |
| 06:49.04 | sabmoc | i thought it was "fear the bunny" |
| 06:49.16 | sabmoc | oh monty, nm |
| 06:49.19 | rich_ | people with too much disk space |
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| 06:50.07 | sabmoc | ok, i have a rant coming up, so get ready to boot me |
| 06:50.13 | sabmoc | but not yet |
| 06:50.22 | rich_ | Or people who dont want to keep development tools installed |
| 06:50.34 | xam | rich: exactly |
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| 06:51.28 | aloha | ok, this is messed up. i have two 200GB SATA drives, /dev/hda and /dev/hdc. I formatted /dev/hdc with reiserfs, debootstrap'ped onto it, and rebooted into it. Then i fdisked /dev/hda and created a new /dev/hda1. mkreiserfs /dev/hda1 (without reboot) seems to do the right thing and then just exits ($?=1). mount /dev/hda1 fails (obviously.) reboot, try again. same thing. any ideas? since i just mkreiserfs'd this /dev/hdc1 and booted from it, |
| 06:51.29 | aloha | obviously kernel-built-in reiserfs is fine. failure without error message with mkreiserfs? weird. gets weirder. i can format /dev/hda1 with ext3 just fine. only reiserfs fails. |
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| 06:52.57 | xam | aloha: well, seems like your mkreiserfs is b0rked |
| 06:53.14 | KazeNoBokusha | how do i patch the kernel with the badram patch? |
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| 06:53.26 | KazeNoBokusha | i've extracted the kernel source |
| 06:53.34 | sabmoc | (preface: i only use linux systems, no windows at all) i saw this thing on /. today about mounting your gmail accounts as a gmailfs on fstab which is pretty cool, but like for windows its literally "one click" to do it, but for linux i need to download like four packages compile them all, RECOMPILE my kernel, and all sorts of shit.. why they hell is it so bloody work load intensive to do things that SHOULD just be "one click" like in windows (i |
| 06:53.34 | sussudio | ah. good charlotte. you can count on them TO SUCK FUCKING BALLS |
| 06:54.01 | aloha | xam: agreed. i was running woody -- just installed reiserfsprogs from unstable, same thing. weird. i'm wiping the entire parttable on /dev/hda and recreating, rebooting, and trying again. |
| 06:54.41 | KazeNoBokusha | unfortunately, !kp doesn't talk about patching in either link |
| 06:54.43 | rich_ | sabmoc Its about motivation. Because no one who has the power to do it is motivated to do it. |
| 06:55.01 | xam | sabmoc: why bother? google is limited to 10MB transfers only |
| 06:55.32 | aloha | xam: hmm. same problem. bizarre |
| 06:55.33 | sabmoc | xam just for kicks, my question is just WHY is it so hard to get the same kicks on linux that i could get on windows with just one click |
| 06:55.48 | sabmoc | like.. |
| 06:55.58 | aloha | any idea of a good reiserfs channel? |
| 06:56.17 | mree3 | is there a manual page for turning on quotas? (debian 3.0 rc2) |
| 06:56.51 | rich_ | sabmoc Because in one case someone else does it for you, in the other, you do it yourself. Thats the thing with linux, you can do anything at all, yourself. |
| 06:56.57 | xam | sabmoc: why is that a bad application can lock your windows? well, every approach where and how to integrade hardware/software drivers (kernel or userspace) has its (dis-)advantages |
| 06:56.58 | KazeNoBokusha | with gmailfs (linux) it's not limited to 10MB, it splits it over multiple attachments |
| 06:56.59 | ddnncc | mree3: i think there's an howto |
| 06:57.15 | xam | s/integrade/integrate/ |
| 06:57.18 | sabmoc | i dunno, for a while i thought maybe its just that Linux just "wasnt there yet" but im begining to think that maybe its a arch type problem and that linux is just so different from windows and other OS's that we wont EVER be there, because thats just not where we are trying to go, which is fine in a way, i dunno.. grr.. still i keep asking WHY |
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| 06:57.35 | diego | how can i search for a package? |
| 06:57.41 | The_Vulture | diego: apt-cache search foo |
| 06:58.11 | xam | sabmoc: 'arch-type problem' ? IMNSHO windows has a couple of those |
| 06:58.41 | xam | sabmoc: iff you don't like it, don't use itt |
| 06:58.55 | rich_ | sabmoc Its they that are trying to emulate us. You have to remember, unix is the academic and industrial standard. Its them who are trying to look like us by doing things that people should just do themselves if they had a real operateing system |
| 06:59.01 | sabmoc | xam im not recomending windows, windows can go blow sheep, all i want is to be able to do on MY system all the cools things that windows users can do on there's |
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| 06:59.30 | aloha | sabmoc: it's rather simple. some things the community has created. in a few cases, commercial organizations (like google) have seen fit to give us some way of doing the same thing possible in Windows -- nice of them. but until enough people are using Linux as a desktop, commercial organizations need to consider whether it's worth it to develop some one-click process. (the other thing is that a one-click process on red hat would probably not work |
| 06:59.31 | aloha | on suse.) so, it's a complex problem and a bit of a chicken and an egg thing. the good news is that you are on the cutting edge! (sometimes known as the bleeding edge, but why split hairs?!) |
| 06:59.33 | xam | sabmoc: so what are you complaining about? |
| 06:59.39 | KazeNoBokusha | anyone know how to integrate the badram patch into kernel source code? |
| 06:59.45 | rich_ | sabmoc Maybe you need to brush up on your bash scripting. Possibly even take a class in it |
| 07:00.18 | sabmoc | gah |
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| 07:00.29 | xam | sabmoc: use windows if you like all the stuff on windows. As simple as that. |
| 07:00.37 | mree3 | ok.. so, does anyone know of a web page that explains how to turn on quotas? The manual page on debian.org is blank |
| 07:00.47 | xam | sabmoc: well, this discussion is pointless |
| 07:00.49 | tcsetattr | mree3, edit fstab, quotacheck, quotaon |
| 07:00.52 | Phated | Windows? Cool things? WTF. |
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| 07:00.55 | sabmoc | xam go to hell :) |
| 07:01.01 | sabmoc | aloha yeah |
| 07:01.14 | rich_ | Phated He said he can click on something and it gets installed. |
| 07:01.20 | Phated | sabmoc: What xam said. If you think Windows stuff is cool then use windows. |
| 07:01.21 | KazeNoBokusha | why is it that whenever someone suggests that linux should be easier or more `windows-like', everyone says `if you want windows, use windows'? |
| 07:01.25 | Phated | rich_: I say synaptic. :) |
| 07:01.39 | sabmoc | ok, im not ACTUALLY asking for a one-click process folks |
| 07:01.41 | Phated | KazeNoBokusha: Er, because if you want Windows you should USE Windows? |
| 07:01.47 | tcsetattr | because all those "make linux more like windoze" fuckers are starting to succeed, and it needs to be stopped if we want linux to stay good |
| 07:01.49 | KazeNoBokusha | i mean |
| 07:01.50 | Phated | sabmoc: FFS. Synaptic, |
| 07:01.58 | KazeNoBokusha | if you want things to be like they are in windows |
| 07:02.06 | Phated | Then use Windows. |
| 07:02.14 | KazeNoBokusha | what sabmoc is asking is, why can't linux be this easy? |
| 07:02.25 | klys | the misfeature that separates the shell from the browser: |
| 07:02.28 | rich_ | sabmoc some apps have simple install scripts. If you use a file manager like dfm you can click on them |
| 07:02.35 | klys | konqueror has no -remote |
| 07:02.50 | klys | and I can't read all the urls from my tabs at the command line |
| 07:03.02 | Phated | rich_: Or he could hit sh <script>. Looks like a one-click process to me. *shrug* |
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| 07:03.35 | KazeNoBokusha | i assume someone could make a gmailfs deb that does it all for you, just no one has yet |
| 07:03.36 | mree3 | tcsetattr: I editwed fstab, but there is no file called "quotacheck" on my machine.. so I must need to install a package or something?? |
| 07:03.36 | aloha | why can i mkfs -t ext3 but not mkfs -t reiserfs? i'm booted from reiserfs! |
| 07:03.36 | xam | KazeNoBokusha: I quote sabmoc: "all i want is to be able to do on MY system all the cools things that windows users can do on there's" |
| 07:03.36 | Phated | KazeNoBokusha: We need some kind of learning curve/Darwinian process. |
| 07:03.36 | klys | browsers are supposed to be `easy', right? |
| 07:03.55 | rich_ | Like realplayer. The new realplayer has just a .bin file. All you have to do is run it. If your file manager is set up to, all you have to do is click on it |
| 07:03.56 | tcsetattr | apt-get install quota; man quotacheck |
| 07:04.02 | Phated | KazeNoBokusha: I think xam is saying... "If you think Windows can do cool stuff... USE IT. And quit whining if you can't handle Linux." |
| 07:04.03 | klys | what happened to easy to manipulate? |
| 07:04.17 | Phated | rich_: Ooo, realplayer has .bin? |
| 07:04.19 | sussudio | . |
| 07:04.19 | tcsetattr | yeah that's brilliant... you can be infected with reaplayer's non-free code in one idiotic action. |
