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| 08:09.14 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 08:10.29 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
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| 08:27.55 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 08:35.15 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 08:35.18 | Ghelae | I'm okay; how about you? |
| 08:43.23 | Liquid_Ink | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f4/The_Scream.jpg |
| 08:43.39 | Liquid_Ink | Picturing the horde scream from Left 4 Dead would be highly accurate |
| 08:45.16 | Ghelae | Right. |
| 08:48.06 | Liquid_Ink | Been up to anything interesting? |
| 08:53.03 | Ghelae | No. You? |
| 08:56.58 | Liquid_Ink | Not really |
| 08:57.07 | Liquid_Ink | Did a little more work on the DSB military page |
| 08:58.15 | Liquid_Ink | As in two descriptions |
| 09:01.04 | Ghelae | Two aircraft, yes. |
| 09:01.18 | Liquid_Ink | Not much progress |
| 09:04.40 | Liquid_Ink | I had an idea for a story I could write |
| 09:04.47 | Liquid_Ink | As soon as I'm done the Dalek one |
| 09:05.10 | Liquid_Ink | Detailing the Iron Bloc during the war with the DSB attempting to find a powerful Sts-Kehat artefact |
| 09:42.08 | Liquid_Ink | I've been pondering how much the DSB and Iron Bloc militaries would differ |
| 09:42.43 | Liquid_Ink | So far in my head, they both function more or less the same, using more or less the same material |
| 09:43.00 | Liquid_Ink | The latter point saves me from having to describe much more |
| 09:45.03 | Ghelae | Do the Iron Bloc ships still have a different colour scheme and scary death spikes? |
| 09:45.21 | Liquid_Ink | Yes. |
| 09:46.04 | Liquid_Ink | This also applies to the undescribed uniforms I have in my head; they're the same but with different colour schemes |
| 09:46.31 | Liquid_Ink | The uniforms would not have spikes, though |
| 09:48.35 | Liquid_Ink | But I wonder if there would be alteration in this by at least one of the states differing them. |
| 09:50.29 | Liquid_Ink | Would the DSB, after the socialist revolution, seek to redo the uniforms and stuff as a symbolic gesture? I don't think the pre-revolutionary military would have had a particular bourgeoisie look to it, seeing as the revolution was intended to make the DSB's existing rhetoric into an unsubjective truth |
| 09:52.20 | Liquid_Ink | As for the Iron Bloc, would they alter their uniforms to distance themselves from the DSB? Since the Iron Bloc received large numbers of defectors from the military, that would give a case for them remaining more or less the same; out of a notion of being the "true" DSB. |
| 09:53.32 | Liquid_Ink | But not just uniform, also rank structure and all that |
| 09:54.00 | Ghelae | On the first point, that might depend on public opinion on the military, and of the military's role both in the revolution and afterwards. If the people want the military to be different than it used to be, a symbolic change would be good; if they have a high opinion of the military, change might be viewed as, at best, needlessly meddling with something good. |
| 09:54.05 | Liquid_Ink | And their development of their materiel would diverge, unless they both felt the designs they have are sufficient and neither have made anything particuarly new since |
| 09:54.23 | Liquid_Ink | That's a good point |
| 09:55.49 | Ghelae | And yes, for the Iron Bloc, the changes they make will depend on whether they think the current DSB's designs are "true" DSB or not. If they are, they keep them. |
| 09:57.44 | Liquid_Ink | Opinion of the military should be good, considering that the DSB citizens do believe in the bloc's goal to maintain peace, though they would have been cautious of the military as a tool of the oligarchal government |
| 10:01.20 | Ghelae | If they think that the military was merely *misused* by the oligarchy rather than, say, corrupted, that might go some way to lessening that issue. |
| 10:03.02 | Liquid_Ink | That's a good idea |
| 10:08.40 | Liquid_Ink | Looking at Cyrannian's creations, Republic uniforms seem to just be brown versions of the Imperial uniforms |
| 10:11.36 | Liquid_Ink | The DSB and the IB are sort of like the GEC and NCR in reverse |
| 10:12.24 | Liquid_Ink | With the DSB being the sudden replacement government, and the IB being those who ran away to found a new one based on their principles. |
| 10:18.57 | Liquid_Ink | I think their structure would be somewhat different |
| 10:19.38 | Liquid_Ink | Instead of the Starfleet/Home Guard arrangement the DSB has, the IB probably has a more traditional Army/Navy structure |
| 10:20.24 | Liquid_Ink | The Home Guard might be a new feature brought in by the socialists. |
| 10:21.27 | Liquid_Ink | The IB would also have dedicated spy organisations |
| 10:21.57 | Liquid_Ink | And instead of a special operations division, the IB probably have some sort of Schutzstaffel-type organisation |
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| 10:30.18 | Liquid_Ink | Hello! |
| 10:30.55 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 10:31.15 | Wormydroid | Best page on Facebook ever https://m.facebook.com/geolomemes/ |
| 10:32.04 | Liquid_Ink | That's great |
| 10:33.01 | Wormydroid | Computer Science just doesn't have as good jokes |
| 10:34.55 | Wormydroid | I don't get any of the memes drom posts me hur |
| 10:35.58 | Liquid_Ink | So how are you? |
| 10:38.12 | Wormydroid | Having a sugar rush after eating jam tart for breakfast |
| 10:39.21 | Wormydroid | Brb |
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| 10:52.19 | Liquid_Ink | Hello again |
| 10:52.40 | Wormydroid | Hi |
| 10:53.47 | Liquid_Ink | My plans on bringing the Iron Bloc back into focus sort of clashes with my conception of what the Black Sun Corporation was meant to do |
| 10:54.46 | Wormydroid | Right, yeah |
| 10:54.50 | Liquid_Ink | I suppose I could make Black Sun ultimately subservient to the Iron Bloc rather than taking control of it. |
| 10:58.30 | Wormydroid | I remember doing this https://m.facebook.com/geolomemes/photos/a.329443664123729.1073741828.325568731177889/329445754123520/?type=3&source=48&__tn__=E |
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| 11:36.18 | Liquid_Ink | Although this being said, I'm not sure exactly what I'm doing with the Iron Bloc |
| 11:37.09 | Liquid_Ink | They're going to get active with the SGCW, of course, having strip mined their planets in their treaty-assigned territory away to nothing to turn themselves into a vast fleet with no planetary territories |
| 11:37.52 | Liquid_Ink | So do I keep them as a semi-nomadic warfleet, or do they settle down somewhere outside of SSA influence |
| 11:51.01 | Ghelae | Liquid_Ink: Do you know where they might settle? |
| 11:51.14 | Liquid_Ink | Not a clue |
| 11:52.22 | Liquid_Ink | Perhaps just the outskirts of the Milky Way. |
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| 11:55.01 | Ghelae | Not Phradox? |
| 11:55.54 | Ghelae | Actually, we probably don't want to turn Phradox into nothing more than a collection of your dystopias. |
| 11:56.07 | Liquid_Ink | I wasn't think of doing so. |
| 11:57.06 | Ghelae | No; it just occured to me that, with the Uzileum and New Terran Order there, bringing the Iron Bloc into it would start to give it a theme. |
| 11:58.26 | Ghelae | We ought to get around to working on the Phradox Galaxy page soon. |
| 11:58.31 | Liquid_Ink | Not to mention the Bloodletter swarm |
| 11:59.40 | Ghelae | Oh, yeah. Phradox isn't mentioned on their page, though. |
| 12:00.26 | Liquid_Ink | Haven't done that yet. |
| 12:01.03 | Liquid_Ink | Maybe canonically they haven't arrived? |
| 12:01.14 | Ghelae | Maybe. |
| 12:02.00 | Ghelae | Should the Watchers Imperium and War of Arbitration be decanonised (we'll mention it all in the Trivia section), since they're supposed to be a time between the CoreFed and the modern era? |
| 12:03.19 | Liquid_Ink | I don't know |
| 12:04.37 | Ghelae | I'm sure we can find ways of fitting Bio21's fiction back into the galaxy if he ever returns, but otherwise there's no point pretending they're canon if all Phradox fictions treat them like they never happened. |
| 12:05.45 | Ghelae | But if we don't make a decision, the Phradox page is forever going to be a nearly-empty stub. |
| 12:09.51 | Liquid_Ink | We could just sort of shuffle his stuff off to a singular sector? |
| 12:10.27 | Liquid_Ink | Spiral galaxies: between the spiral arms isn't empty space like in Spore is it? It's just sort of thinner in star count, isn't it? |
| 12:10.56 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 12:11.25 | Liquid_Ink | Good good. |
| 12:11.34 | Ghelae | Although some galaxies have more well-defined arms than others. |
| 12:12.01 | Liquid_Ink | So anyway we just shuffle Bio's fiction off to a single sector/region/spiral arm and forget about them |
| 12:12.25 | Liquid_Ink | Although we could put the Phradox Grox to use. |
| 12:17.07 | Ghelae | I'm editing the page now and keeping the Phradox Grox. |
| 12:18.02 | Ghelae | I'm not yet going into enough detail to make it clear whether Bio's fictions are present. |
| 12:19.00 | Liquid_Ink | Okay |
| 12:25.58 | Ghelae | When were the Bloodletters supposed to reach Phradox? I'm wondering whether I should mention them. |
| 12:26.47 | Ghelae | I've forgotten what the plans were for the conflict. If it's more than a few years after the end of the DCP-Vermulan War, I think I should leave them out for now. |
| 12:28.31 | Liquid_Ink | Leave them out |
| 12:29.16 | Ghelae | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Phradox_Galaxy - now ready for editing |
| 12:30.09 | Ghelae | I've kept the names of the history sections, although they'll probably be better off changed, and I removed the strange list of arms from the astrography section, even though we might reuse them. |
| 12:38.02 | Liquid_Ink | SO we've officially gone the route of having Phradox only recently being rediscovered? |
| 12:38.40 | Ghelae | For now. Other options are welcome. |
| 12:39.16 | Liquid_Ink | Because the Cyrannian superpowers have been commented to have had colonies there for a while |
| 12:39.27 | Ghelae | Ah. I might have to fix that then. |
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| 12:39.49 | Liquid_Ink | I had suggested to Cyrannian to have a theatre of the SGCW there, with the Uzileum being an Imperial Protectorate |
| 12:41.07 | Ghelae | When do you think would be a good idea for Phradox to be rediscovered? |
| 12:41.12 | Ghelae | good time* |
| 12:41.38 | Liquid_Ink | Does it need be rediscovered? |
| 12:42.55 | Ghelae | Nothing *needs* to happen. But Phradox has been ignored for so long, it makes sense that it should at least be fairly isolated. |
| 12:44.38 | Liquid_Ink | It could be physically distant |
| 12:45.49 | Ghelae | So rather than being moved to the Local Group, it was moved completely out of the way? Besides, physical distance isn't that much of a barrier in the SporeWikiverse unless it's really extreme. |
| 12:46.49 | Ghelae | If there's a truly terrible problem with it being rediscovered, please let me know, so I can stop trying to make it work. |
| 12:47.10 | Liquid_Ink | Well, prior to the annihilation it was mostly inhabited by the Core Federation, and when it became free everyone was too busy panicing over the Xhodocto for colonisation |
| 12:47.49 | Liquid_Ink | One issue I had: I viewed the New Terran Order not as having colonised Phradox, but having conquered and reassimilated a former Mashriqi colony in Phradox. |
| 12:48.11 | Ghelae | Right. |
| 12:48.48 | Ghelae | The Xhodocto weren't an issue for that long, though. |
| 12:49.37 | Ghelae | Sure, demons have always been a problem, but not enough to make people ignore an entire galaxy. |
| 12:51.27 | Liquid_Ink | There was a war that destroyed the universe. That could cause the Gigaquadrant to focus on other things than colonising a galaxy. |
| 12:54.50 | Liquid_Ink | Besides, colonisation of Phradox did happen: both Cyrannian powers, the Mashriqi, the DSB, and the Draconid Imperium are all present. I'm sure France will be there in due course. |
| 12:55.50 | Ghelae | "Focus on other things than colonising a galaxy" - like what? Two years after the Annihilation, Andromedans start fighting each other, so there's some people who clearly weren't too focused on rebuilding things. |
| 12:57.12 | Ghelae | And they may have colonised it, but it's not clear when, and those colonies seem to have no part to play in fiction. And this in a universe where colonies don't take long at all to become useful. |
| 12:59.45 | Ghelae | The first mention of a (non-Bio) extragalactic presence does come just a month after the Annihilation, yes: http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Fiction:Phradox_Galaxy?diff=next&oldid=404832 |
| 13:00.14 | Liquid_Ink | I see. |
| 13:00.22 | Liquid_Ink | I'm out of ideas for that. |
| 13:00.36 | Liquid_Ink | Possibly because what's mostly on my mind right now is going to bed |
| 13:00.40 | Liquid_Ink | I'm going to bed now |
| 13:00.43 | Liquid_Ink | Good night! |
| 13:00.55 | Ghelae | Good night. |
| 13:01.20 | Ghelae | If people say that they want their colonies to be founded earlier than the date I put on the page, then I'll change it. Simple as that. |
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| 20:34.42 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 20:35.11 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 20:36.43 | Wormy_ | The_Randomness: Since I'm turning you into a geologist https://www.facebook.com/geolomemes/?pnref=story |
| 20:38.30 | The_Randomness | lol |
| 20:39.28 | Wormy_ | I confess to doing thisone an awful lot on a trip https://www.facebook.com/geolomemes/photos/a.329443664123729.1073741828.325568731177889/329445754123520/?type=3 |
| 20:40.22 | Wormy_ | https://www.facebook.com/geolomemes/photos/a.329443664123729.1073741828.325568731177889/329443517457077/?type=3 |
| 20:41.43 | The_Randomness | lol, that second one |
| 20:43.46 | The_Randomness | https://www.facebook.com/TheoreticalPhysicsMemes/photos/a.1069518029795840.1073741828.1069496473131329/1280682332012741/?type=3&theater |
| 20:46.58 | Wormy_ | U'm seeing that meem everywhere |
| 20:47.00 | Wormy_ | *Im |
| 20:47.04 | Wormy_ | brb dinner |
| 20:54.51 | The_Randomness | https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13321869_288421934833144_385421183823728100_n.jpg?oh=e99a6058b723e84f0fd8867fc16fb10b&oe=594987B7 |
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| 21:20.40 | The_Randomness | Hello |
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| 22:35.58 | Liquid_Ink | Hello everyone |
| 22:53.26 | Liquid_Ink | Anybody alive? |
| 23:03.27 | Liquid_Ink | This is my social life in a nutshell right here. |
| 23:03.34 | Wormy_ | hi |
| 23:03.47 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 23:05.18 | Wormy_ | I had a dream I was in a car trying to escape a nuke |
| 23:05.54 | Wormy_ | but the shockwave was too fast, and lifted my car and bunch of others and flung everything like toys |
| 23:07.25 | Liquid_Ink | Fun |
| 23:10.10 | Wormy_ | It was like the Grable test https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWyVd1iKa-I |
| 23:12.27 | Liquid_Ink | Fascinating |
| 23:12.43 | Liquid_Ink | I don't think that artillary piece fired far enough |
| 23:17.33 | Wormy_ | Liquid: Was a whisper compared to Castle Bravo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEje927dygM |
| 23:20.33 | Liquid_Ink | Unsettling |
| 23:20.42 | Liquid_Ink | Very dramatically presented in that video |
| 23:21.42 | Wormy_ | Looks like Hell on Earth |
| 23:25.35 | Wormy_ | Then you realise Tsar Bomba was 57 megatonnes |
| 23:26.03 | Liquid_Ink | I hear the shockwaves went around the planet 4 times |
| 23:28.20 | Wormy_ | yeah |
