| 01:18.39 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: I still can't believe how useful that one paper was for what I've been talking to you about |
| 01:21.02 | Wormy_ | Yep, some geology papers are very focused but you found a nice one with more general scope |
| 01:22.22 | The_Randomness | It basically resolved things for most of the stuff that's already developed for the world |
| 01:23.00 | The_Randomness | Also helped me iron out some of the kinks/details for one of the sapient species |
| 01:32.06 | The_Randomness | Next thing I'll have to do probably is figure out how/where humans developed on this world |
| 01:33.43 | The_Randomness | For that I'll probably have to brush up on our evolutionary history, then see how I can replicate/approximate conditions on this planet for that |
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| 09:46.21 | Ghelae | Hello. |
| 09:47.15 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 09:47.34 | Liquid_Ink | How are you? |
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| 09:50.42 | Ghelae | I'm okay; how about you? |
| 09:54.37 | Liquid_Ink | Pretty good |
| 09:56.02 | Liquid_Ink | What is it that prevents the scientific community from renaming Uranus to Caelus? |
| 09:56.35 | Ghelae | a) Why would they? b) It would require rewriting a lot of things in which it's named "Uranus". |
| 10:01.59 | Ghelae | Note that a lot of moons, dwarf planets, etc. have Greek names, so you're just making the arbitrary naming of one arbitrary grouping of bodies consistent with one arbitrary choice of mythological figures. |
| 10:03.49 | Liquid_Ink | You make it sound like it's a bad thing. |
| 10:07.31 | Ghelae | It's not that making the major planets consistent with a Roman naming scheme is a *bad* thing. |
| 10:08.08 | Ghelae | It's just basically so little better than superfluous so as to be not worth it. |
| 10:10.46 | Ghelae | Unlike, say, having a consistent definition of an important word - "planet", which is itself something that most planetary scientists don't care about - I can't imagine it's been high on any recent scientist's list of priorities. |
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| 11:14.49 | Liquid_Ink | A preview came out for the first Legend of Korra graphic novel and it's adorable |
| 11:19.21 | Liquid_Ink | In addition, I have "When the Saints Go Marching In" stuck in my head |
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| 12:48.57 | Liquid_Ink | Here's an idea: Uranus gets renamed Caelus not due to the scientific community but colonists inhabiting Uranus or its moons |
| 12:49.39 | Liquid_Ink | Because they get sick of the anus jokes and demand a more dignified name that doesn't can't be used to degrade them. |
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| 12:51.54 | Ghelae | That could happen. |
| 12:56.09 | Liquid_Ink | Goodnight! |
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| 16:04.34 | Ghelae | Wormydroid: I've gone through http://www.alienhub.com/threads/ufonauts-the-nonhumanoids.48755/ and figured out what sort of category each entity report falls under. |
| 16:05.29 | Ghelae | I've stuck them into a list in order, by page. |
| 16:06.53 | Ghelae | 1: blob (small grey globe), blob (small white), dog, blob (large floating), blob (small white), robotic? ("cross ties"), humanoid? (insectoid), robotic (stalks), humanoid + small insect, weird insect-like thing (Garson encounter), robotic, limbless, monopod, tentacled cone? (cyclops), humanoid?, quadruped/humanoid? ("like animals or huge insects"), blob (small transparent floating), blob, tentacled (Indescribable Octo-Man) |
| 16:06.57 | Ghelae | 2: worm, blob (small floating globe), furry tentacled (Octo-Squatch), limbless, blob, blob?, blob (antennaed globes), winged (avian), blob (white floating), blob? (sleep paralysis), limbless (tentacled, glowing, floating)? |
| 16:07.02 | Ghelae | 3: humanoid? ("of strange shape and dazzling brightness"), blob? (cyclops, "resembled a shrub"), blob (large, vanishing), humanoid? (short six-armed reptilian), humanoid? (cyclops) + tentacled ("tree stumps"), robotic, weird furry insect-like thing with a human face, tentacled ("cactus-like"), blob?, tentacled |
| 16:07.12 | Ghelae | 4: limbless (floating), robotic?, limbless (floating), limbless (hairy), limbless? (tentacled, glowing, floating), blob (black, sleep paralysis), humanoid? (with "strange heads ... illuminated by their own light"), quadruped (insectoid), limbless? ("greenish glowing"), humanoid (with Palos Verdes brains), humanoid, tentacled (large), humanoid (fluorescent green, goat-like), limbless (sleep paralysis) |
| 16:07.18 | Ghelae | 5: humanoid (with head-tentacles), worm, humanoid ("like a starfish"), quadruped ("giant spiders"), quadruped (Crazy Critter of Bald Mountain), humanoid/blob? (tall "tree trunk"), blob, tripod (small humanoid), worm, monopod (cyclops), robotic, blob (small white), limbless, monopod/robotic, blob, limbless? (tentacled), tentacled cone |
| 16:07.24 | Ghelae | 6: tentacled? (furry), worm, worm, blob, blob (small floating tentacled globe), monopod, monopod, quadruped (dog-like), blob (small white floating tentacled), robotic/blob? (pyramid-shaped), blob, quadruped (insectoid), limbless (glowing, floating), humanoid? (return of spring-heeled Jack), tiny weird insect-like thing, tripod (cyclops) |
| 16:08.27 | Ghelae | There are three cases that are almost certainly sleep paralysis, and several other cases on top that also seem hypnagogic but have other features (more than person claims to have seen it, the experiencer alleges to have moved around, etc.) |
| 16:09.14 | Ghelae | Then there's that strange dog, and some bird-like things. |
| 16:09.45 | Ghelae | Thirteen cases are probably humanoids, definitely humanoids (or close enough), or simply don't have enough information to tell. |
| 16:10.58 | Ghelae | Amongst the rest, the overwhelming majority (33) are blobs of some kind. This includes the "limbless" ones, which have head + torso but no arms or legs. |
| 16:12.33 | Ghelae | They may, or may not, float, glow, or have tentacles. On that note, there are nine other tentacled things - two of which are conical - that might also count, and four monopods that are similarly devoid of arms and have only one leg. |
| 16:13.12 | Ghelae | The limbless and monopod categories share one major thing in common: people see some apparition, but without proper limbs. This suggests to me an ill-formed apparitional experience. |
| 16:14.08 | Ghelae | But it's fun to imagine they're actually aliens, in which case they're probably some variant on blobs. |
| 16:14.14 | Wormydroid | Back |
| 16:15.42 | Ghelae | You've arrived just in time for the interesting part of non-humanoid non-robot non-blobs. :P |
| 16:16.28 | Wormydroid | Yippee |
| 16:17.09 | Ghelae | There are five reports involving worm/snake-like beings. Two tripods: one apparently mostly humanoid, one (the final report on the bottom of page 6) very much not. |
| 16:18.01 | Wormydroid | Are there patterns of time period that you can see? There were lots of amorphpus and robotic aliens in mid century pop culture |
| 16:18.19 | Ghelae | Robots seem to get less common in later times. |
| 16:18.58 | Ghelae | The most recent one is the pyramid-shaped one (and that's ambiguous), in 1996. |
| 16:19.23 | Ghelae | Prior to that, you have the La Rubia monopod robots in 1977. |
| 16:20.55 | Ghelae | That's also the year of the most recent obviously blob-like blob, but then 1997 also has a case of limbless "glowing white bowling pin shaped figures hovering". |
| 16:21.12 | Ghelae | Oh, no, there are other blobs between those two years too. |
| 16:21.36 | Ghelae | Including one two cases earlier in 1996. |
| 16:21.50 | Wormydroid | Brb |
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| 16:23.28 | Ghelae | There seem to be more worm-like creatures in the 1970s and 1980s, but there are so few reports over all (5) that I doubt there's any statistical significance. |
| 16:23.45 | Wormydroid_ | Its funny how cases of amorphous aliens seem to have gone down, though its hard to tell because they are still uncommon, while amorphpus UFOs dominate modern cases |
| 16:24.31 | Wormydroid_ | Of course a lot of modern UFO reports are pretty unconvincing, thats why they are indistinct |
| 16:24.38 | Ghelae | Some of the amorphous reports could easily be interpreted as UFOs. A lot of them are small floating orbs, and one of the earlier ones is like a living ship. |
| 16:25.09 | Ghelae | Presumably smaller UFOs would be interpreted as alien drones nowadays. |
| 16:25.10 | Wormydroid_ | Right, like drones of a mothership |
| 16:25.27 | Ghelae | Yes. |
| 16:27.35 | Ghelae | A closer look at that final tripod (2009) suggests it might be robotic too... but if you're looking for sci-fi influences, it looks a little like a miniature version (3 ft) of the War of the Worlds (Spielberg version) tripods. |
| 16:28.01 | Wormydroid_ | One of the alien eye witness accounts seemed to describe a predator prey relationship, at least by impression it made on the witness |
| 16:28.30 | Ghelae | That seem report also mentions "a larger than man sized Praying Mantis comes up to the window". |
| 16:28.36 | Wormydroid_ | That one stands out a little bit more as seemingly biological |
| 16:28.56 | Ghelae | Do you remember which report that is? |
| 16:29.24 | Wormydroid_ | I can't, it might have been on a different site come to think of it |
| 16:29.37 | Ghelae | May well have been. |
| 16:29.56 | Ghelae | Well, I've relabelled that tripod as a likely robot. That leaves only one tripod report there. |
| 16:30.14 | Wormydroid_ | http://www.bogleech.com/realaliens.html |
| 16:31.14 | Wormydroid_ | Nope |
| 16:31.32 | Ghelae | I looked at that site as well. There are additional cases there, but no new categories. |
| 16:31.34 | Wormydroid_ | I'll look for it when I'm on my pc |
| 16:31.48 | Ghelae | Arguably mothman: it's a winged humanoid-like thing. |
| 16:31.55 | Wormydroid_ | Also, they were bloboids |
| 16:31.59 | Ghelae | http://karlshuker.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/my-top-ten-strangest-aliens-close.html was the other site you linked to. |
| 16:33.05 | Ghelae | Which also includes another tripod. |
| 16:33.28 | Ghelae | (but no other nonhumanoids) |
| 16:34.50 | Wormydroid_ | I recall from the Shag Harbour Incident a claim that divers encountered creatures or drones underwater, can't remember if there was a description |
| 16:36.43 | Ghelae | http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case166.htm ? |
| 16:37.05 | Ghelae | I know there are other cases of divers encountering things like that. |
| 16:38.13 | Wormydroid_ | The entities appeared to be fixing a glowing object underwater |
| 16:38.49 | Wormydroid_ | Bbs, will be moving a minute or so |
| 16:39.03 | Ghelae | There are two other categories on entities on that forum thread. One are the quadrupeds (or likely quadrupeds). In hindsight, the first one I've listed is probably also a humanoid report: a) they're described as "figures", and b) it's on page 1 and the next quadrupeds don't appear until page 4. |
| 16:39.52 | Ghelae | That's 1958 to 1971. I'll guess 1971 is the first quadruped. |
| 16:41.15 | Ghelae | 1971: 'on all fours ... their heads were level with his windshield ... [and] like an ant's with "a rounded lobe flanked by 2 other lobes swelling out like cheeks"' |
| 16:42.07 | Ghelae | That one sounds like there might have been physical evidence with it, but it's all suspect of course. |
| 16:43.08 | Ghelae | Then 1974: 'creatures resembling giant spiders, yellow and black in color with 4 thin hanging legs, about 18" to 24" long'. That's just the word of a group of kids. |
| 16:44.19 | Ghelae | Then the "Crazy Critter of Bald Mountain" later in 1974; also one which is alleged to have multiple witnesses. Arguably that head is also a little ant-like, although I imagine walking on tentacles would have been mentioned if it had been the creature in the 1971 case. |
| 16:45.20 | Ghelae | In 1990: "resembled a dog, but without a tail, visible ears and eyes, its face was oval-shaped and elongated ... complete absence of fur". |
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| 16:56.51 | Wormydroid | So still having insectoid facial features. |
| 17:06.26 | Wormydroid | I think quite notably some of the less common aliens share features in common with more notable ones |
| 17:06.46 | Wormydroid | *more common |
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| 17:43.04 | Ghelaway | Wormydroid_: What was the last thing you saw me mention? |
| 17:44.05 | Ghel | I'm guessing the 1971 one. Carrying on from there: |
| 17:44.12 | Ghel | 1971: 'on all fours ... their heads were level with his windshield ... [and] like an ant's with "a rounded lobe flanked by 2 other lobes swelling out like cheeks"' |
| 17:44.15 | Ghel | That one sounds like there might have been physical evidence with it, but it's all suspect of course. |
| 17:44.19 | Ghel | Then 1974: 'creatures resembling giant spiders, yellow and black in color with 4 thin hanging legs, about 18" to 24" long'. That's just the word of a group of kids. |
| 17:44.23 | Ghel | Then the "Crazy Critter of Bald Mountain" later in 1974; also one which is alleged to have multiple witnesses. Arguably that head is also a little ant-like, although I imagine walking on tentacles would have been mentioned if it had been the creature in the 1971 case. |
| 17:44.27 | Ghel | In 1990: "resembled a dog, but without a tail, visible ears and eyes, its face was oval-shaped and elongated ... complete absence of fur". |
| 17:44.41 | Ghel | Finally, 1996: No UFO whatsoever, so it's another one of those don't-know-what-it's-doing-on-this-list-when-so-many-other-cryptids-aren't: 'a quadruped gray green creature, approximately 5 feet long, with a large head and what looked like armor protecting its foreleg, shoulders, and rear end. It resembled a scorpion lacking its pincers and a tail and had legs "like an ox."' |
| 17:45.43 | Ghel | So you have to stretch it to assume that even any of these are talking about the same thing. |
| 17:48.21 | Ghel | That being said, excluding the "giant spiders" (which sound like they shouldn't even be able to support their own weight) and the dog-thing, there is a theme of large creatures with insectoid heads. |
| 17:49.45 | Ghel | Although what makes the dog-like one dog-like I'm struggling to see. |
| 17:50.03 | Wormydroid_ | Lol |
| 17:53.01 | Ghel | The final category are the weird insect-like things. |
| 17:54.11 | Ghel | The first, in 1951, are just some small beetle-like things walking with a taller (but still short) frog-like humanoid. |
| 17:54.18 | Ghel | In 1954 there's http://www.cryptopia.us/site/2015/02/garson-invaders-canada/ |
| 17:56.05 | Ghel | Next one's 1967. It's probably best to quote the entire entry. |
| 17:56.18 | Ghel | 'Lola Dills was driving when she saw " a black object with long spindly legs or stems at the bottom and sides." The "side stems" were weaving and gesturing and appeared to end in pincers. The creature moved by placing the lower stems one in front of the other. |
| 17:56.29 | Ghel | 'The head consisted of a "round part" about 8" in diameter that protruded from the top. The sides had a "shaggy look" and the front was white with two eyes; a bump with two small holes lower on the head may have been a nose. |
| 17:56.39 | Ghel | 'The mouth was a slit below the "bump," and from it issued a "shrill sound," heard just as she was passing. Then she saw "another and another with slight variations."' |
| 17:57.47 | Ghel | It kind of sounds like... a furry robot with spindly legs and a human-like headpiece on top. |
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| 17:59.01 | Ghel | The final case sounds rather hypnagogic, with the one thing stopping me from labelling it as sleep paralysis being that the person moved. "They were about 6 inches long and 2 inches high. They had two white spots on their face which he assumed were eyes, and had 8 legs with two extended arms. Their skin color was blue." |
| 17:59.02 | Ghel | Hello. |
| 17:59.30 | Wormydroid_ | That Furry robot one sounds bizzare |
| 18:00.14 | Cyrannian | Hi |
| 18:00.18 | Wormydroid_ | Ive had hypnagogia without paralysis |
| 18:00.21 | Wormydroid_ | Bbs |
| 18:00.25 | Ghel | It can certainly happen. |
| 18:00.30 | Wormydroid_ | WiFi shadow zobe |
| 18:01.09 | Wormydroid_ | I once had a kundalini awakening while I could still move |
| 18:01.55 | Wormydroid_ | Felt like a bubble moving into my brain and felt/heard sparks |
| 18:02.21 | Wormydroid_ | From the neck |
| 18:02.34 | Wormydroid_ | Pressing up into the skull |
| 18:02.53 | Wormydroid_ | I swear I even saw flashes |
| 18:03.17 | Wormydroid_ | I was messing with telekinesis at the time |
| 18:04.18 | Wormydroid_ | Never did again |
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| 18:27.35 | Ghel | On further reading, one of the limbless entity reports is also rather hypnagogic, and three reports - some of the robots, frog-things with beetles, and one of the glowing limbless entities - were obtained entirely via hypnosis. |
| 18:29.23 | Ghel | In the end, most reports probably fall into, at most, a few categories: hypnagogia, hypnosis, humanoid, robotic, and blobs which pick and choose from various features (glowing, hovering, tentacle(s), necks, and fur). There are two large blobs that have none of these features. |
| 18:29.52 | Ghel | Then there's that dog and some birds. |
| 18:30.13 | Wormy_ | The case I was thinking of earlier was Flat Mesa, 1925 http://www.alienhub.com/threads/ufonauts-the-nonhumanoids.48755/ |
| 18:30.48 | Ghel | Finally: insect-headed quadrupeds, worm/snake creatures, a tripedal possibly-humanoid and the Gascon insectoids. |
| 18:31.10 | Ghel | Flat Mesa is one of the large blob ones. |
| 18:31.49 | Ghel | Note that the case immediately below it involves a much smaller thing, but similarly is associated with silvery fibres. |
| 18:32.33 | Ghel | Flat Mesa: "The frothy stuff the little creature had âbledâ looked like fine aluminum wire". Omsk: "The barn appeared to be covered with thousands of fine silvery hair-like filaments". |
| 18:33.12 | Ghel | One could well imagine that, for furry blobs, this material is used to cover the surface of the object. |
| 18:34.29 | Wormy_ | It almost sounds reminiscence of minerals to me, like a flat sheet of silicate mineral http://www4.uwm.edu/course/geosci-100/Mineral_Rocks/biotite1.jpg |
| 18:35.37 | Ghel | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acicular_(crystal_habit) maybe. |
| 18:36.05 | Ghel | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremolite and of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asbestos are also furry minerals. |
| 18:38.01 | Wormy_ | I have natrolite |
| 18:39.53 | Wormy_ | Looking up the geology of the area there are ore deposits of silver, which can be wiry in appearence |
| 18:41.32 | Cyrannian | Imperios: Is the Divinarium officially at war with the Empire yet? |
| 18:41.51 | Imperios | Nah |
| 18:43.08 | Wormy_ | Maybe they encountered lifeforms composed of silicates and native elements |
| 18:43.18 | Wormy_ | native |
| 18:44.06 | Ghel | They'd be more plausible crystalline creatures than the standard sci-fi covered-in-gems or literally-just-a-crystal species. |
| 18:57.13 | Wormy_ | lol |
| 18:58.24 | Wormy_ | Of course an alternative interpretation might be a drone ship conducting repairs |
| 19:00.31 | Wormy_ | Actually no, a damaged drone being picked up by the larger craft |
| 19:38.28 | Ghel | Which is an interpretation that fits in with the idea that smaller blobs would be drones. |
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| 21:58.49 | The_Randomness | Hello |
| 23:33.35 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: hey, are you available? |
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| 23:37.46 | Wormy_ | Hi, yes |
| 23:43.27 | Liquid_Ink | Hello |
| 23:45.18 | The_Randomness | alright give me a few then I'll ask you about some stuff |
| 23:57.39 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: remember when I was working out some stuff for that obligate carnivore species of mine? I forget if we talked about this, but salt will presumably be very important for them |
| 23:58.26 | The_Randomness | So, I was wondering about different sources of salt and the conditions under which they'd form |
| 23:58.26 | Wormy_ | Vaguely I remember we did discuss them yeah |
| 23:59.01 | Wormy_ | Are these the jungle species? |
| 23:59.07 | The_Randomness | yeah |
