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| 00:00.56 | Liquid_Ink | Iceland's Prime Minister was a man. |
| 00:01.51 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:41.49 | Wormy_ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeelee_Sequence |
| 00:41.55 | Wormy_ | Good descreiption on Wikipedia |
| 00:43.51 | Liquid_Ink | THe Prime Minister resigned because he was tax dodging in Panama. |
| 00:44.03 | The_Randomness | AH |
| 00:44.07 | The_Randomness | oops caps |
| 00:44.51 | Liquid_Ink | 10% of the Icelandic population rose up in protest |
| 00:46.04 | Wormy_ | Impressive, then again it has a population much smaller than Greater London |
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| 22:12.25 | The_Randomness | Alright, let me take a look at that now |
| 22:13.21 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: Ok, this actually sounds interesting |
| 22:13.59 | Wormy_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.43 | The_Randomness | Sounds like you need some sort of system for adding new stuff to the collaboration |
| 22:15.44 | The_Randomness | This is the sort of thing that would draw me back to the wiki. |
| 22:16.42 | The_Randomness | Wormy_: I suggest some sort of regular poll or something for canonizing stuff, and also have some sort of clear plan starting out |
| 22:17.10 | The_Randomness | This is an issue that a collab I was in ran into, and very nearly killed it |
| 22:17.34 | The_Randomness | You had a number of people who really liked the idea, but didn't think about it going forward |
| 22:19.06 | Wormy_ | Right, yeah. Well its been said a couple of times we should make a new thread, with a clearer plan of action about what it is about (like deciding on the setting with a vote) |
| 22:19.36 | The_Randomness | Yeah, that's a good idea |
| 22:20.04 | Wormy_ | I'll talk to Ghelae, Techno and Monet about it |
| 22:21.05 | The_Randomness | Keep me updated, I'm interested in seeing where this goes |
| 22:23.17 | The_Randomness | What are the general ideas floating around right now for the setting? |
| 22:24.51 | Wormy_ | Originally the idea was that we all collaborate on making a single fiction empire, but Techno suggested we place the empire in a new universe, so that's where the energy went for a bit. But Monet has reminded us that we should still make a decision where we set this fiction. |
| 22:25.36 | Wormy_ | Monet is concerned that we have started building from a top down approach which wasn't the original idea |
| 22:25.58 | The_Randomness | top down in what way? |
| 22:26.14 | Wormy_ | Now I'm beginning to see it because people are getting way ahead of themselves on the blog |
| 22:27.35 | Wormy_ | What I think he means is that a bottom-up approach would be to build the empire and then the universe around it. But we started building the universe first, focusing the physics (innocently). But now users are posting just about any idea that pops in their minds. |
| 22:27.48 | The_Randomness | Ah, I see |
| 22:28.39 | Wormy_ | We need a way to focus our ideas, like you said |
| 22:29.06 | Wormy_ | A poll would be good |
| 22:29.28 | Wormy_ | Albeit one that doesn't hide the user's vote |
| 22:29.50 | The_Randomness | I don't think either approach to building is better, but yes, focus is needed |
| 22:30.37 | The_Randomness | Especially at this stage |
| 22:31.23 | Wormy_ | Oh wait its come back to me now. Originally the idea was to see if we can collaborate together. Monet is concerned we are overcomplicating ourselves by building the setting first |
| 22:31.39 | The_Randomness | ah |
| 22:32.21 | Wormy_ | Personally I don't mind collaborating first on a small project, and then moving onto somwething bigger. |
| 22:32.23 | The_Randomness | The key thing here is that if you want to collaborate, you need to figure out what you want to collaborate for |
| 22:32.55 | The_Randomness | Start out with a single system |
| 22:33.05 | The_Randomness | Start "small" |
| 22:33.05 | Wormy_ | That's what we need to decide next then |
| 22:33.12 | Wormy_ | I agree |
| 22:34.00 | The_Randomness | Because having this whole universe out there is too much to start with |
| 22:35.43 | The_Randomness | Also, people will always want to start big, but that's dangerous, as you've seen with all of the people with massive empires popping out of nowhere |
| 22:35.54 | The_Randomness | You need to restrict your starting conditions |
| 22:37.42 | The_Randomness | You can start by collaborating around the development of a single civilization in a single system |
| 22:37.53 | The_Randomness | And then if that works, keep going |
| 22:38.39 | The_Randomness | Like, if you don't know whether or not you can make a single room, you probably shouldn't try to build a neighborhood |
| 22:39.03 | Wormy_ | Before we even do that, there's still no decision whether we set this in the main fic universe, an al timeline, or an entirely new one. But in either case, we should start small |
| 22:39.12 | The_Randomness | yeah |
| 22:39.18 | The_Randomness | I'd keep this separate imo |
| 22:39.49 | Wormy_ | I think conflicts of interest or more likely to happen if we set this in the main |
| 22:40.31 | The_Randomness | How so? Not that I don't agree with you |
| 22:41.24 | The_Randomness | I'd maybe even close the current thread, because you won't get much more out of it now, and it'll reduce noise |
| 22:41.51 | The_Randomness | Then go talk to the people who want to make this work, and then start posting about the big decisions regarding the collab |
| 22:54.47 | Wormy_ | http://spore.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:211781#69 |
| 22:54.58 | Wormy_ | I posted this explanation to the comments |
| 22:56.39 | Wormy_ | What I meant was that if we set this in the main universe, that small fiction is inevitably going to grow and interact with the rest of the universe, where we aren't working together. And we might get the same problems we face now with conflicting ideas. |
| 22:57.08 | The_Randomness | ok |
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