IRC log for #cyrannus on 20150517

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06:46.18GhelaeHello.
07:29.38Liquid_InkHey
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12:31.11Liquid_InkHey Ghel, do you have any suggestions for really weird starships for eldritch abominations and their armies to use?
12:38.01GhelaeNot really. What kinds of wierdness are you looking for? Weird in appearance, or in some other way?
12:39.34Liquid_InkAppearance, operation, physics, anything
12:48.30GhelaeIt could use very non-Euclidean geometry.
12:49.31GhelaeSo it causes noticable (and perhaps not always consistent) gravitational lensing effects to anyone looking at it; it's bigger on the inside and the corridors connect to each other in normally impossible ways, etc.
13:22.24Wormy_I would have thought eldritchness isn't compatible with physics.
13:54.13GhelaeIf you ultimately define eldritchness as things that are impossible, then no, it isn't possible.
13:55.18GhelaeBut I think what's more important is what humans cconsider to be impossible; what things could even cause distress at their seeming impossibility.
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15:14.43Wormy_awayGhelae:  Well in that definition, perhaps there is such a thing as eldritch mathematics
15:15.23Wormy_awayGiven that ideas of incompleteness, infinity, recursion and paradox has sent some insane
15:15.48GhelaeI suppose it could well be viewed in that way.
15:15.53Wormy_awayArguably there was more to it than that, like peer pressure etc.
15:16.38Wormy_awayA whole documentary about it here http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xdoe8u_dangerous-knowledge-1-5_shortfilms
15:16.43GhelaeStill, maths is such a huge field that most mathematics probably look eldritch even to most mathematicians.
15:16.49Wormy_awayindeed
15:17.21Wormy_awayI'm fascinated by the ones that seem to have no physical reality, at least not known.
15:20.05GhelaePure mathematics is often more comparable to art than science.
15:20.25dromYes.
15:20.46dromNotes of pure mathematics is beautiful.
15:20.50dromI'd frame one if I found one.
15:21.07Wormy_awaySome mathematicians follow beauty and elegance
15:22.52Wormy_awayI see psychological connections between mathematicians and psychonauts.  People in both take their work to such a personal level they end up having visions and so on.  And Nikolai Tesla's visions remind of Gopi Krishna's, a yogi who wrote books on kundalini
15:23.24Wormy_awayAll I'm attributing here is a psychological relationship at least
15:24.50Wormy_awayI think it was Srinivasa Ramanujan who said that his mathematics came to him in dreams
15:25.17Wormy_awayAnd curiously Roger Penrose writes of having mathematical ideas conveyed to him in visual flashes
15:26.15Wormy_awayI think when someone is hard at work with mental tasks, a subconscious part of their brain doesn't switch off and keeps running, and those things become avilable to them in sleep
15:32.27Wormy_awayThe film Pi plays with this
15:32.51Wormy_awayThe character is as rational as you can get, but the film as mystical overtones
15:33.54Wormy_awayEventually the character starts believing in a universal order, and his mentor calls him a numerologist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNOQUPmgbnY
15:34.26Wormy_awayPretty good rejection to synchronicity tbh
15:40.26GhelaeYes.
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20:36.15CyrannianI might play a bit of the Sims
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