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| 00:56.00 | ``Erik | huh, weird, hulu changed their buffer display, now it almost looks like cell phone bars |
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| 01:42.34 | starseeker | ``Erik: yeah, awf isn't up to the new man output |
| 01:42.58 | starseeker | need to make brlman a wrapper around man |
| 01:45.48 | starseeker | brlcad: the --with-arch arg requirement is from the original configure script in the NIST distribution |
| 01:45.55 | starseeker | it shouldn't be present any more |
| 01:46.22 | starseeker | also, the new configure scripts have 3.2.0 as the version |
| 01:50.39 | starseeker | I would suggest clearing out the src/other/step subdirectory and checking it out clean, if that's possible |
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| 02:35.18 | brlcad | settles down with the best wings in baltimore |
| 02:35.23 | brlcad | (thusfar) |
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| 03:17.07 | starseeker | scowls at configure.ac... why are you breaking distcheck? |
| 03:18.18 | starseeker | scripts a distcheck build to get full logging and sleeps on it |
| 03:19.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Would a configure.in file being checked in originally in src/other/step cause problems with subsequent configure.ac builds, even if removed from the repository? |
| 03:19.41 | starseeker | 'cause somehow it's getting the old build system |
| 04:03.18 | brlcad | starseeker: I don't know, it could be some generated file like aclocal.m4 or acinclude.m4 |
| 04:03.44 | brlcad | could be somehow specific to the checkout it's working with, hard to say without looking at the filesystem |
| 04:17.07 | starseeker | Uhhhh. distcheck failed for me without involving step afaict: make[3]: *** No rule to make target `unix/config.status', needed by `distdir'. Stop. |
| 04:18.40 | starseeker | that was at src/other/tcl |
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| 04:37.20 | ``Erik | so either add tcl/unix/config.status to the repo or delete it form the Maekfile.am |
| 04:42.56 | starseeker | but when/why did it change? |
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| 10:47.28 | brlcad | starseeker: something else is wrong |
| 10:47.45 | brlcad | there should and needs to be a config.status (and it doesn't belong in the repo, it's generated by configure) |
| 10:49.08 | bjorkintosh | goodness man, do you sleep? |
| 10:49.13 | brlcad | don't know why it'd be listed in tcl/tk's Makefile.am EXTRA_DIST, though, that could be the problem |
| 10:51.05 | brlcad | bjorkintosh: I try not to |
| 10:51.24 | bjorkintosh | makes sense. |
| 10:51.24 | brlcad | it's a nasty disease |
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| 14:15.58 | madant | WILL test the MathVM today :P |
| 14:19.00 | brlcad | :) |
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| 15:10.13 | brlcad | has the initial application in |
| 16:04.57 | dreeves__ | I don't know if it is appropriate place for me to ask this but is there a document with a little more detail about the approach if the new gui and how it will tie in to the geometry service or is this currently in the works. If so is it possible to get privy to those discussions/work? |
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| 16:58.03 | brlcad | dreeves__: there are some other docs but much of it is very much a work in progress |
| 16:58.30 | brlcad | the discussions are intentionally supposed to be completely open so you're more than welcome to join in |
| 16:58.59 | brlcad | some of them happen here on irc, some on the channel, and alas some in person for the few that can |
| 16:59.07 | brlcad | er, mailing list too |
| 16:59.34 | brlcad | there are a few docs and details on the wiki, and feel free to ask any questions here or on the devel mailing list |
| 17:13.26 | madant | :) seems like we are going to have a good number of applications this summer |
| 17:54.38 | brlcad | any devs present? starseeker? |
| 18:08.01 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34026 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/ (pcMathVM.cpp pcMathVM.h): adding BranchNode definition and methods to pcMathVM |
| 18:10.48 | ``Erik | O.o |
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| 18:14.06 | starseeker | here |
| 18:14.14 | starseeker | what's up? |
| 18:15.03 | starseeker | scowls at configure.ac - why are you haulting when step has a config.status file but not haulting when enigma has a config.status file |
| 18:15.44 | starseeker | oh, I see - it's in the tarball |
| 18:15.46 | starseeker | hmm |
| 18:16.21 | brlcad | http://socghop.appspot.com <-- log in, edit profile, create a link_id |
| 18:16.44 | brlcad | anyone interested in mentoring gsoc this year if we're accepted needs to do that |
| 18:18.30 | starseeker | brlcad: you just use brlcad for your link_id? |
| 18:20.01 | brlcad | yep |
| 18:20.31 | starseeker | OK, I'm in |
| 18:21.18 | starseeker | do I need to associate myself with brlcad somehow? |
| 18:21.26 | brlcad | nope |
| 18:21.34 | starseeker | k |
| 18:21.36 | brlcad | just tell me your id |
| 18:21.42 | ``Erik | erikg |
| 18:21.42 | starseeker | link_id? |
| 18:23.56 | ``Erik | heh 'do you know what "irony" is?' 'is it like "stony" or "woody" but a lot better to make swords out of?' |
| 18:24.25 | starseeker | well, irony CAN cut... |
| 18:25.36 | starseeker | brlcad: would it be OK to create a wiki page on brlcad with pdf versions of some of the NIST publications on the step libs? so far total size would < 5 megs total for the papers |
| 18:27.02 | brlcad | starseeker: dont' see why not |
| 18:27.23 | starseeker | cool - thanks. That way if the site goes byebye we still have the docs too :-) |
| 18:27.56 | ``Erik | could just shove it in your public_html/ as a "personal page", as well |
| 18:28.25 | starseeker | oh, sure. But this way anyone wanting to do something with BRL-CAD + STEP will find them |
| 18:28.39 | starseeker | my personal site is just a grab bag ATM |
| 18:29.13 | brlcad | there needs to be a brlcad.org/wiki/STEP page, maybe also a /wiki/STEP/NIST to talk about that portion |
| 18:33.52 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34027 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/Makefile.am: Oops, step's configure.ac should be in the DISTCLEANFILES list. |
| 18:35.50 | brlcad | anything received during checkout shouldn't be in distcleanfiles... |
| 18:37.00 | starseeker | oh, really? whoops - I guess enigma must generate it |
| 18:37.35 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34028 10/rtcmp/trunk/ (rt/rt.c rtcmp.h tri.c): remove references to brlcad/machine.h. casting in ntohd/htond to quell warnings. |
| 18:39.43 | starseeker | hmm, no enigma's configure.ac is checked in... |
| 18:42.36 | dreeves__ | brlcad are there any docs other than the 3 uml diagrams ? |
| 18:43.34 | dreeves__ | I have searched the wiki and didn't locate anything else |
| 18:45.13 | brlcad | starseeker: enigma lists *configure* in distcleanfiles, not configure.ac |
| 18:45.18 | brlcad | you said configure.ac |
| 18:45.18 | starseeker | ah |
| 18:45.22 | starseeker | whooops |
| 18:45.52 | brlcad | dreeves__: yes there are, but did you have a particular question -- glad to just explain things ;) |
| 18:47.24 | starseeker | smacks self upside the head |
| 18:47.41 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34029 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/Makefile.am: Add configure to DISTCLEANFILES. Previous commit message was incorrected - added configure.ac to EXTRA_DIST files, NOT DISTCLEANFILES. |
| 18:48.14 | dreeves__ | I guess I'm just toying with the idea of maybe getting involved in maybe helping out with that.... Was really look to see if you had mockups of what the new gui might look like with some possible flows...Also was interested in how the gui would interact with the service i.e. the gui knowing which parameters were editable or are you all thinking that would be just built into the gui itself |
| 18:49.38 | dreeves__ | I could probably go on and on but I thought I would get educated with what the team had done first before I just started hammering everyone with a million questions |
| 18:49.45 | brlcad | dreeves__: ah, then should definitely also take a look at this: |
| 18:50.01 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/design/ |
| 18:50.10 | dreeves__ | cool |
| 18:50.11 | dreeves__ | thanks |
| 18:50.26 | brlcad | the gui link in particular includes an extensive gui interaction mock-up |
| 18:51.33 | brlcad | it was intentionally made application agnostic and doesn't show CAD interface aspects yet, but the same basic ideas of localized modelessness, universal command access, pervasive drag and drop, context panels, etc |
| 18:54.17 | dreeves__ | Just so I'm clear this is intended to be an mged replacement correct? |
| 18:59.09 | brlcad | long term, yes |
| 18:59.34 | dreeves__ | umm what would it be in the short term? |
| 18:59.50 | dreeves__ | or are you just saying it would take a while to replace mged? |
| 19:00.34 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34030 10/rtcmp/trunk/rt/rt.c: comments to help understand interface to librt |
| 19:00.56 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03erikgreenwald * r34031 10/rtcmp/trunk/ (adrt/adrt.c configure.ac): updates to handle updated tie interface |
| 19:00.57 | brlcad | dreeves__: the latter |
| 19:01.03 | madant | dreeves__ : it would take a while |
| 19:01.06 | madant | oops :D |
| 19:01.06 | dreeves__ | ah ok |
| 19:01.46 | brlcad | dreeves__: so if you're interested, here's the big picture as I see it |
| 19:02.04 | dreeves__ | ok? |
| 19:02.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Starseeker 07http://brlcad.org * r1232 10/wiki/STEP: Need to make a step wiki page - just rough out some categories for now - flesh out later |
| 19:02.48 | brlcad | mged's great in many ways, *lots* of functionality, powerful interface, it's been doing what it's doing forever but it's incredibly difficult to learn and takes a long time to master |
| 19:03.19 | brlcad | that said, it really is *filled* with functionality, hundreds of staff-years of effort that would take even a big team many years to replicate |
| 19:03.27 | brlcad | so we really can't afford to do that |
| 19:03.56 | brlcad | on top of that, there is a ton of other functionality in brl-cad that many people don't know about or don't know how to use (the other 399 applications) |
| 19:04.30 | brlcad | basically, our usability needs to improve in a major way |
| 19:04.48 | brlcad | but not such that we just lose everything that has been invested, therein enters LIBGED |
| 19:05.25 | brlcad | libged is a refactoring project that has been going on for almost a year now to take most of the best aspects of mged out of mged, and putting that logic into a library so it can be more readily reused |
| 19:05.55 | brlcad | libged by itself, though, obviously won't make usability any better, for that we need a better gui |
| 19:06.37 | brlcad | on that front enters a refactoring prototype that was started several years ago -- archer; basically mged's gui rewritten but still using mged's geometry management and command functionality under the hood |
| 19:06.48 | brlcad | also enter last year's gsoc project to start a completely new gui interface |
| 19:07.38 | brlcad | what remains is the infrastructure to tie the gui to the backend while also pulling in "the rest" of brl-cad under that same interface |
| 19:08.08 | brlcad | that is where the geometry service and geometry engine are at, they tie the front to the back |
| 19:09.31 | brlcad | the intent of the geometry engine is to modularize the geometry management API, provide better type encapsulation and geometry management features similar to other CAD kernels like ACIS or Granite |
| 19:10.21 | brlcad | the geometry engine basically wraps libbu, libbn, librt, libwdb, and the new libged into a clean API |
| 19:10.31 | dreeves__ | Yeah I grabbed the latest rt^3 package and got it to compile but seems like all the apps are just outputting timing type of things I'm sure I'm missing something but I didn't see any guis |
| 19:11.40 | brlcad | dreeves__: the rt^3 module hasn't really been cleaned up and unified yet, so you're sort of seeing a little of the gui work that happened during gsoc, some of the GE work, and a lot of the GS work |
| 19:12.14 | brlcad | and the three don't yet play with each other much given they're all being developed in parallel |
| 19:12.23 | dreeves__ | oh ok that's fine I just wanted to see what had been done so far |
| 19:12.30 | brlcad | (as they really are three independent projects) |
| 19:12.37 | dreeves__ | ok |
| 19:13.31 | dreeves__ | I just flipped through some of the gui design I take it that is more of a concept type thing, survey of different style of guis if you will |
| 19:13.37 | brlcad | so project-wise related to improving the interface, there's BREP support, LIBGED refactoring, GE design, GS implementation, and the GUI itself |
| 19:14.02 | brlcad | dreeves__: it's not a survey, it's an actual interaction prototype |
| 19:14.28 | dreeves__ | oh I must doing something wrong I will go back and look at it again |
| 19:14.40 | brlcad | what's missing is how that would actually look and act with a 3D context, geometry actions, object palettes, etc |
| 19:14.56 | brlcad | this: http://brlcad.org/design/gui/ioe_proto_final.mov |
| 19:15.04 | dreeves__ | ok |
| 19:15.33 | brlcad | it is a survey of different *interactions* you might encounter in the gui, just not multiple guis |
| 19:16.33 | brlcad | the important aspect is how tasks are managed, how contexts are managed, command interaction, how the overall menu works, the clipboard, etc |
| 19:17.09 | madant | dreeves__: are u already an open source contributor ? |
| 19:17.57 | dreeves__ | no |
| 19:18.27 | brlcad | your name is very familiar |
| 19:18.33 | dreeves__ | why am I stepping on toes and just don't know it |
| 19:18.43 | dreeves__ | yes I use to work at brl about 20 years ok |
| 19:18.44 | dreeves__ | ago |
| 19:18.55 | brlcad | yes, that just clicked with me |
| 19:18.56 | brlcad | gsi |
| 19:19.01 | madant | :) |
| 19:19.03 | dreeves__ | yep |
| 19:20.10 | brlcad | that's very interesting, for many reasons.. :) |
| 19:20.24 | brlcad | you still coding these days? |
| 19:20.25 | dreeves__ | :) |
| 19:20.32 | dreeves__ | oh yeah very much so |
| 19:20.52 | dreeves__ | just not open source |
| 19:20.56 | brlcad | nods |
| 19:21.08 | brlcad | something you maybe haven't seen: http://brlcad.org/BRL-CAD_Priorities.png |
| 19:21.20 | madant | :) 20+ years omg .thats like awesome experience :) |
| 19:21.22 | dreeves__ | nope |
| 19:21.41 | dreeves__ | Yeah I loved working on brlcad |
| 19:22.57 | madant | you must have worked with Mike et al. ? :) |
| 19:23.10 | dreeves__ | I meet him a few times |
| 19:23.42 | brlcad | dreeves__: I take it you stay in touch with Harry, maybe some of the other guys still out at apg? |
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| 19:24.25 | dreeves__ | I remember having a conversion with him when he was working NMG that was a very interesting discussion |
| 19:24.57 | brlcad | you'll hear much of the same still going on :) |
| 19:25.13 | dreeves__ | No Harry and I sort of went our own ways... |
| 19:25.29 | dreeves__ | I miss Harry will have to get that way to see him soon |
| 19:25.29 | brlcad | the BREP effort under way is our #1 priority in many ways |
| 19:25.39 | brlcad | ah, shame |
| 19:26.04 | brlcad | he's actually one of the few I don't think I've had the pleasure of meeting personally yet |
| 19:26.06 | dreeves__ | Are you nugging me toward that? |
| 19:26.19 | dreeves__ | Have you an I meet? |
| 19:26.45 | brlcad | don't think so unless you've been over to see the CAD team |
| 19:27.03 | dreeves__ | Do you know if Ed, Paul and Keith are still out there? |
| 19:27.06 | brlcad | (in the last 10 years or so) |
| 19:27.10 | dreeves__ | no |
| 19:27.24 | dreeves__ | i haven't unfortunately |
| 19:27.25 | brlcad | ed is, he's current acting team lead |
| 19:27.38 | dreeves__ | realllllly.... |
| 19:27.40 | dreeves__ | :) |
| 19:27.50 | brlcad | paul has been promoted into managerial oblivion, no longer does anything productive |
| 19:28.02 | dreeves__ | I really liked working with him |
| 19:28.08 | brlcad | er, you mean deitz or tanenbaum? |
| 19:28.21 | brlcad | well, same holds for both I suppose :) |
| 19:28.23 | dreeves__ | deitz |
| 19:28.44 | brlcad | he's leads one of the directorates |
| 19:29.06 | dreeves__ | I probably shouldn't refer to him has Paul I suppose I don't mean any disrespect |
| 19:29.21 | brlcad | nah, he's still paul |
| 19:29.28 | brlcad | http://www.linkedin.com/pub/4/a19/206 |
| 19:30.09 | dreeves__ | Yeah I was sure he was but I didn't want anyone on here to get the wrong idea |
| 19:30.16 | brlcad | keith retired and came back as a contractor, doesn't write code though -- still does some modeling |
| 19:30.50 | dreeves__ | Yeah that is mostly what he before he is awesome at the modeling though |
| 19:32.28 | brlcad | dwayne kregel is one of the best brl-cad modelers out there now, he's helped inspire a lot of my ideas for things we need to work on |
| 19:32.47 | dreeves__ | So funny I went to HS with him |
| 19:32.48 | brlcad | victor is back and modeling again |
| 19:32.53 | dreeves__ | aberdeen |
| 19:33.08 | brlcad | yeah, I think he told me that one |
| 19:33.12 | brlcad | *once |
| 19:33.22 | brlcad | big D |
| 19:33.29 | brlcad | awesome guy |
| 19:33.42 | dreeves__ | Yes he is a very tall guy |
| 19:33.55 | dreeves__ | small world though |
| 19:34.28 | dreeves__ | brlcad what is your email? |
| 19:35.53 | dreeves__ | BTW I will check out the priorities maybe I will redirect my energy a little |
| 19:36.19 | brlcad | note that those are open source priorities |
| 19:36.26 | brlcad | very close to but not exactly the same as ARL priorities |
| 19:37.18 | brlcad | ARL funds the cad team in more specific ways obviously to work on enhancements |
| 19:38.06 | brlcad | thinks who else gsiwise is still around |
| 19:38.21 | brlcad | adam |
| 19:41.42 | dreeves__ | adam came on after I left |
| 19:42.12 | brlcad | ah |
| 19:43.40 | brlcad | there's another guy but I can't remember his name |
| 19:46.12 | brlcad | probably a few names you recognize: http://brlcad.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/brlcad/brlcad/trunk/AUTHORS |
| 19:46.37 | dreeves__ | so does your cad team basically work at what use to be brl? |
| 19:46.53 | dreeves__ | I thought Lee Butler lead the cad team did he leave? |
| 19:47.05 | brlcad | he left |
| 19:47.23 | dreeves__ | Yeah I wend through that list the other night know quite a few people on it |
| 19:48.21 | brlcad | Lee is still around, but he went to work on his phd for a year then came back to lead the modeling team and just recently moved onto another team |
| 19:48.58 | dreeves__ | oh ok |
| 19:49.00 | brlcad | still at the same place, maybe even the same building |
| 19:49.17 | dreeves__ | I will have to send ed and email |
| 19:49.34 | brlcad | he knows :) |
| 19:49.40 | dreeves__ | ok |
| 19:49.44 | dreeves__ | :) |
| 19:49.50 | dreeves__ | What does he think? |
| 19:53.59 | brlcad | he thinks he's ready to retire :) |
| 19:54.23 | dreeves__ | LOL!! :) |
| 19:55.40 | dreeves__ | So what's up with the work on Java? |
| 19:56.27 | brlcad | wonders if dreeves__ notices that he has other messages.. :) |
| 19:56.47 | brlcad | john anderson started that just playing around a couple years ago |
| 19:56.54 | brlcad | s/couple/many/ |
| 19:57.11 | brlcad | got a simple ray query working, and it sat for a while |
| 19:57.39 | brlcad | then another big java project started at arl, and it revived some attention on that project |
| 19:57.44 | dreeves__ | Just noticed sorry |
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| 20:49.13 | ysselive | dreeves__: btw, more you may not have seen -- screenie of the "Archer" prototype interface I mentioned -- http://brlcad.org/tmp/archer.png |
| 20:49.26 | ysselive | Archer is the test bed for most of the LIBGED refactoring |
| 20:49.59 | ysselive | and will likely merge with MGED at some point (replacing mged's gui) as an intermediate step until the other new GUI is ready |
| 20:56.21 | MrStayPuft | dreeves__: another one of interest: http://brlcad.org/tmp/brepstep.jpg |
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| 21:06.10 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34032 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/step/ (Makefile.am autogen.sh): Don't need autogen.sh in this directory while step is acting as a part of brlcad |
| 21:12.40 | brlcad | gets the munchies |
| 21:17.59 | ``Erik | wonders if that was staypuft or staypuffed O.o |
| 21:18.10 | starseeker | brlcad: config.status is in both EXTRA_DIST and DISTCLEANFILES in the tcl Makefile.am - is that intentional? |
| 21:18.57 | brlcad | it's mr stay puft |
| 21:19.00 | brlcad | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stay_Puft_Marshmallow_Man |
| 21:19.16 | brlcad | starseeker: probably not |
| 21:19.38 | ``Erik | someone has stayed up too late to catch the lame joke :D |
| 21:19.48 | brlcad | not that they have much to do with each other .. being a distcleanfile doesn't mean it'll be included in the dist |
| 21:19.56 | starseeker | right |
| 21:20.06 | starseeker | the failure on distcheck has something to do with it though |
| 21:20.09 | ``Erik | $16k for a windows machine, ow |
| 21:20.23 | brlcad | ``Erik: or I didn't stay up late enough? puffing glue? |
| 21:20.38 | brlcad | puffing a joint? |
| 21:20.43 | ``Erik | the latter, yeah |
| 21:20.46 | brlcad | ah |
| 21:20.49 | brlcad | then I caught it |
| 21:20.54 | brlcad | just wasn't funny :) |
| 21:21.07 | ``Erik | <-- said it was lame, not funny :D |
| 21:21.11 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:21.32 | ``Erik | has mysql and apache22 running on the new machine, btw |
| 21:22.26 | starseeker | brlcad: Any prior knowledge of the stepmod project on sourceforge? |
| 21:24.17 | starseeker | Hmm, cool, NIST made some code for controlling a machining center using the STEP-NC spec |
| 21:24.28 | brlcad | starseeker: yeah, prior guilty knowledge, yes |
| 21:24.33 | starseeker | heh |
| 21:24.42 | starseeker | anything useful there? |
| 21:26.57 | brlcad | probably, but it was heavily biased towards lifecycle aspects of step |
| 21:27.12 | brlcad | MUCH of step has little/nothing to do with geometry |
| 21:27.41 | brlcad | hinted at by geometry starting at application protocol two *hundred* and three .. |
| 21:28.05 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03homovulgaris * r34033 10/brlcad/trunk/src/libpc/pcMathGrammar.h: Complete description of the Expression Grammar : Stage 1/4 |
| 21:28.11 | brlcad | ~madant++ |
| 21:28.59 | starseeker | hmm - looks like we're not the only ones playing around with NIST SCL: http://code.google.com/p/fbics/ |
| 21:29.02 | brlcad | starseeker: one interesting piece they do is ap28 though .. that didn't exist until recently |
| 21:29.07 | madant | huh |
| 21:29.21 | starseeker | ah, nuts - he's going GPLv3 |
| 21:29.25 | brlcad | (AP28 is STEP-XML) |
| 21:29.30 | starseeker | ah, cool :-) |
| 21:29.53 | brlcad | problem there, though, being no CAD software dumps that out that I'm aware of yet |
| 21:30.01 | brlcad | so not a high priority |
| 21:30.07 | starseeker | true. |
| 21:30.24 | brlcad | still have to deal with ap21 files |
| 21:30.27 | starseeker | ponders using it as a good BRL-CAD archival output format, but that's also low priority... |
| 21:32.21 | brlcad | looks like it's a new project |
| 21:32.30 | brlcad | there is no code to it other than scl |
| 21:32.42 | brlcad | so you could check it out and see what mods he's made |
| 21:33.05 | starseeker | maybe, but since it's public domain code he's allowed to make his modes GPLv3 |
| 21:33.10 | brlcad | wow, very new .. last commit was just yesterday |
| 21:33.20 | brlcad | and that was r2 |
| 21:33.29 | starseeker | could ask him, I suppose |
| 21:33.40 | brlcad | i mean he's done nothing thusfar |
| 21:33.41 | brlcad | even to scl |
| 21:33.46 | starseeker | ah, ok |
| 21:34.21 | starseeker | can't find a license on the stepmod stuff |
| 21:35.27 | evilcad | there is no stepmod stuff |
| 21:35.43 | starseeker | http://stepmod.cvs.sourceforge.net/stepmod/ |
| 21:35.44 | evilcad | he's not done anything yet |
| 21:35.49 | starseeker | aj |
| 21:35.50 | starseeker | ah |
| 21:35.52 | evilcad | oh |
| 21:35.58 | evilcad | crossed the streams |
| 21:36.01 | evilcad | meant fbics |
| 21:36.08 | starseeker | and the universe is destroyed! :-) |
| 21:36.25 | evilcad | i was told it's a very bad thing to do |
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| 21:47.11 | starseeker | grr - bad project, publish licensing restrictions clearly |
| 21:51.38 | starseeker | Hey ``Erik: http://sourceforge.net/projects/e7bfc/ |
| 21:52.15 | starseeker | windows only, unfortunately |
| 22:05.22 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03starseeker * r34034 10/brlcad/trunk/src/other/ (tcl/Makefile.am tk/Makefile.am): config.status doesn't belong in EXTRA_DIST, was breaking make distcheck. |
| 22:21.39 | starseeker | confound it |
| 22:23.59 | starseeker | the distcheck tarball is pulling in expparse.c and expscan.c even though they are included in DISTCLEANFILES in the Makefile.am! That's apparently enough to stop bison from running, and since expparse.h is NOT being snarfed in as well the build fails |
| 22:25.38 | starseeker | brlcad: I'm not familiar yet with the distcheck rules for tarball building are implemented - is there a chance that some stray cp *.c command in there somewhere is pulling in files despite their being on the DISTCLEAN list? |
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| 22:47.05 | starseeker | is forced to put it on hold |
| 22:52.58 | ``Erik | nifty, starseeker, but I chose bf as a minimal basis for a case study :D |
| 22:53.18 | ``Erik | at he moment, I think I'm gonna check out clozure (for some reason, I had it and clojure confused) |
| 23:11.35 | evilcad | starseeker: again, being in distcleanfiles has nothing to do with being included in the dist -- it's just a list of what to try to remove if someone runs distclean |
| 23:12.23 | evilcad | those .c files are included because they are either listed as extra_dist and/or because it figured out that they need to be included because they are .l/.y generated |
| 23:18.46 | Ralith | wonders what evilcad is eviling |
| 23:21.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1233 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: New page: = Getting started = Students participating with BRL-CAD in the 2008 GSoC have a '''[[Google_Summer_of_Code/Checklist|checklist]]''' of actions to attend to before getting started on thei... |
| 23:23.32 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1234 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: |
| 23:28.43 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1236 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Additional Information */ |
| 23:28.44 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1235 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: /* Additional Information */ |
| 23:33.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1237 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009/Project_Ideas: Redirecting to [[Google Summer of Code/Project Ideas]] |
| 23:43.19 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1238 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: comment out a few to reduce the list |
| 23:45.51 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1239 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/Project_Ideas: commenting out not working so hot, just remove them and rely on revision history |
| 23:50.08 | brlcad | Ralith: heh, just evil craziness in another channel :) |
| 23:51.21 | Ralith | oo, SoC infos |
| 23:51.31 | ``Erik | uh huh, rrrriiiiiggggghhhhhhtttttt |
| 23:52.30 | ``Erik | ah HA, that's where I stashed it *whew* |
| 23:52.53 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1240 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code: update to 2009 |
| 23:52.57 | CIA-40 | BRL-CAD: 03Sean 07http://brlcad.org * r1241 10/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code/2009: |
