| 03:20.36 | poolio | back. |
| 05:15.29 | poolio | mornin ;) |
| 05:18.12 | brlcad | howdy howdy |
| 05:18.22 | brlcad | get that brain washed off and ready for some more bunishment? |
| 05:21.28 | poolio | brlcad: yes. I saw Sicko and went out for crepes, was a good evening. And I've already started the brain squeez.e |
| 05:21.46 | brlcad | mm crepes |
| 05:22.36 | poolio | jah. was tasty. |
| 05:22.46 | poolio | now I'm surfing ebay, looking to get a lenovo x40t or x60 or x61 |
| 05:24.27 | poolio | brlcad: http://cgi.ebay.com/IBM-ThinkPad-X41-Tablt-1-5-1GB-60G-DVD-RW-Wi-Fi-Bluth_W0QQitemZ270140672371QQihZ017QQcategoryZ140083QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 05:24.32 | poolio | looks too good to be true, must be :'( |
| 05:26.13 | brlcad | there's still a day to go |
| 05:26.39 | poolio | brlcad: yeah, but I think it's a fake auction. There's discrepancies between the title listing and the specs. |
| 05:26.53 | poolio | But yeah, price will skyrocket in a couple hours |
| 05:27.42 | brlcad | er, what discrepancies? |
| 05:27.51 | brlcad | other than being lazy on a few fields |
| 05:28.21 | brlcad | not likely to be fake from a seller with 500 positive sells |
| 05:28.28 | poolio | 60G hd vs 40G actual |
| 05:28.32 | poolio | Yeah true... |
| 05:28.44 | poolio | Just seems too good to be true, but I guess that's due to the fact there's still a day left |
| 05:28.48 | poolio | I might just have to bid on it |
| 05:28.48 | brlcad | where do you see it say 40? |
| 05:29.01 | poolio | In the specs description, the HTML formatted crap |
| 05:29.45 | poolio | Ah I see, 40G internal + 20G, I guess you're right. I'm too skeptical about eBay in general, I've only ordered one thing off it ever. You ever use it? |
| 05:30.13 | brlcad | i've used it quite a bit over the years |
| 05:30.23 | poolio | cool cool. |
| 05:30.26 | brlcad | good for buying random crap |
| 05:30.47 | brlcad | (and I mean that in a good yard-sale kind of way) |
| 05:31.16 | brlcad | it's probably only cheap because it's so far from the deadline |
| 05:31.18 | poolio | yeah, I'm kind of weary to buy things as expensive as say, a laptop. I'm worried about being scammed and all |
| 05:31.28 | poolio | brlcad: True true. I shall wait and see |
| 05:31.39 | brlcad | If you want to win it, you probably wouldn't bid this early |
| 05:31.48 | brlcad | i don't bid usually until the last 10 minutes |
| 05:31.57 | brlcad | if not the last 2 |
| 05:32.06 | poolio | I'd imagine you get tens to hundreds of bids in the last minutes/seconds |
| 05:32.41 | brlcad | depends on the product of course, how many people are watching |
| 05:33.02 | brlcad | those that bid early usually tip their hand a bit and you have at least some idea of how many will be watching near the end |
| 05:33.21 | poolio | i'm also curious about the automatic bidding system |
| 05:33.29 | poolio | if you had two people set a pretty high max that was the same, who gets it? |
| 05:33.35 | brlcad | some don't change at all in the last few minutes and you can get away with a steal |
| 05:33.41 | poolio | http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=180136728304 |
| 05:33.44 | poolio | watching that one : |
| 05:33.49 | brlcad | others you'll be outbid by whomever simply wanted it most |
| 05:33.58 | poolio | brlcad: yeah, assuming you meet the buyer's reserve right? is there a way to know if you have? |
| 05:34.28 | brlcad | e.g. if it's something I *really* want, you're not likely going to outbid me even if you're watching the last few minutes as my upper limit will be more than it's worth |
| 05:34.42 | poolio | hehe |
| 05:34.44 | brlcad | it was say if the reserve is met |
| 05:34.48 | poolio | you and your toys... :) |
| 05:35.04 | brlcad | gotta have the toys |
| 05:36.06 | poolio | it'd be fun if you could coordinate the whole ebay community ;) |
| 05:36.52 | brlcad | there are "ebay apps" out there now that will show you what others are bidding on, folks looking at things similar to yours, etc |
| 05:37.12 | poolio | geez. crazy business |
| 05:37.31 | poolio | Oh man, this is like some twisted game. Buyer 14 just got topped by Buyer 15!! what's gonna happen?!! |
| 05:37.44 | poolio | 50 seconds! |
| 05:37.50 | brlcad | heh |
| 05:37.52 | poolio | It'd suck if you were offline... |
| 05:38.02 | brlcad | yup, i've lost a few that way |
| 05:38.22 | poolio | Oh woah |
| 05:38.25 | brlcad | forgot that I was watching a bid, the other guy gets a steal |
| 05:38.39 | poolio | OH NO WAY |
| 05:38.45 | poolio | Buyer 16 came out of nowhere |
| 05:38.47 | poolio | are you kiddin gme |
| 05:38.51 | brlcad | see? :) |
| 05:38.55 | poolio | I refereshed at 5 seconds and WHAM |
| 05:39.06 | brlcad | that's the way to play it if you really want it |
| 05:39.18 | poolio | Wait til last second and up the current bid by enough to know you'll top them? |
| 05:39.32 | brlcad | you put just one bid in that is at your max, most people just keep nudging it up |
| 05:39.36 | poolio | If you submit at say, 1 second, will autobid still get you? |
| 05:40.10 | poolio | So you submit as late as possible a fairly high bid? will it automatically try to ge tyou the lowest or is it whatever you bid you get it for? |
| 05:40.22 | brlcad | autobid is just a way of saying that the next bid amount is just over whatever the next max was |
| 05:41.15 | poolio | hmm, I don't quite understand. I thought it was like if someone bids higher than you while you're away, it will bid higher than that other person, but only up to a certain point that you set |
| 05:41.31 | brlcad | so if A bids 100 with it at 50, they get it at 51 .. then B bids at 150, the'll get it via autobid at 101 |
| 05:42.13 | brlcad | if A rebids at 140, B still keeps it, but the amount is then 141 |
| 05:42.13 | poolio | wow. my brain must be fried, i still don't get it... :P |
| 05:42.33 | poolio | oh I see |
| 05:42.52 | poolio | So You bid a certain amount, and if your bid is over the previous bid (assuming you're using autobid) it will just add a dollar to the previous high? |
| 05:42.54 | brlcad | it's only if/when A goes over 150 that they'd get it |
| 05:43.22 | poolio | So is it automatically set to "autobid" ? |
| 05:43.25 | brlcad | so 16 just had a bid amount that was higher than 15's max bid (which "usually" isn't hard for most bids) |
| 05:43.57 | brlcad | because again, most people don't put their real "max", else they would be easily out-bid by someone else that simply wants it more |
| 05:44.18 | brlcad | just a little more too, doesn't take much to think "hm, I'd pay a buck more than them" |
| 05:44.33 | poolio | But is there a way to know if it was higher than 15's max bid? Could it just be that they submitted a bid and that was the high before the system got around to computing 15's autobid? |
| 05:45.16 | brlcad | so you just wait until the last minute and put what you would really pay for it -- not want you want, you put your real max .. that way you either max out and get it, max out and someone else gets it, or get it for something far less (the usual, if your bid was reasonable) |
| 05:46.00 | poolio | oh I see, sweet :) |
| 05:46.05 | brlcad | well, if you're really quick on a fast connection, you can put in your bid and you'll know within 10 seconds if you're over or need to up your bid |
| 05:46.23 | brlcad | but then you still risk loosing if you don't put your real max |
| 05:46.29 | poolio | Yeah |
| 05:46.43 | poolio | so a strategy might be bid at 15, watch and see if it jumps, than rebid |
| 05:46.53 | poolio | (15 seconds) |
| 05:47.34 | brlcad | i usually bid in the last two minutes just to see if someone else is "watching", since most will panic and rebid |
| 05:47.41 | poolio | So if you bid at your max, and another guy has a max higher than yours, the price is automatically climbed to 1 dollar greater than your max? |
| 05:47.41 | brlcad | then I put in my real max |
| 05:47.48 | brlcad | right |
| 05:48.12 | brlcad | and that's just the nature of the bid -- if they truely are willing to pay more than you, then you have to back off |
| 05:48.14 | poolio | Heh cool, thanks for the ebay advice :) |
| 05:48.16 | brlcad | at least you should |
| 05:49.19 | brlcad | the items flow through ebay, even obscure stuff, so even if you lose the first three bids, you just keep at it with your max and so long as it's not a hail mary max, you'll eventually get it when the competition isn't so attentive |
| 05:49.44 | brlcad | time of day matters too, bids that close at night-time US vs afternoon vs daytime, etc |
| 05:50.06 | poolio | hmmm, cool |
| 05:50.28 | brlcad | bids that close at night are generally *way* easier to win on, your only competition is folks like #16 that know the game and will bid what they're willing |
| 05:51.19 | poolio | So the idea is never really to bid, see if someone outbids you, bid higher, etc... it's to bid your max and leave it at that? (well, in general) |
| 05:51.38 | brlcad | right |
| 05:52.13 | brlcad | otherwise, you're just pushing against other folks trying to find their limit, fighting everyone's urge to go "just a few more bucks" |
| 05:52.40 | brlcad | it's much easier to just take human nature into account, most won't watch the absolute last minute |
| 05:53.01 | brlcad | or even if they do, can't get a new bid in before it expires |
| 05:53.41 | poolio | Lets say the bid is at 400, your max is at 500, with 5 seconds left someone bids 401. Will you get it? I mean will the system go through and get the highest bidder based on max bids or will it stop with the clock? |
| 05:54.03 | brlcad | max bids |
| 05:54.15 | poolio | good good |
| 05:54.37 | brlcad | again the "autobid" is a bit misleading -- it's instant to whatever the next increment over the next max |
| 05:55.06 | poolio | yeah. makes sense. |
| 05:55.15 | brlcad | so with a bid of 401, that becomes the "next max" and the price goes to 402 |
| 05:55.25 | poolio | It's a bit deceptive but it prevents stuff like hundres of people overloading a bid at the last second |
| 05:55.36 | poolio | And if people has tthe same bid? the people who bid first gets it? |
| 05:55.38 | brlcad | they'll usually poke that max a few times if there's plenty of time left |
| 05:56.29 | brlcad | yeah, because if A bids 100 and gets it at 80, then B bids 100 -- that will push the price up to 100, but A still keeps it |
| 05:57.06 | poolio | hurray, i think that all penetrated my thick skull, thanks |
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| 05:57.32 | brlcad | which is another tip, don't bid whole dollar amounts, or even just a penny over -- tons of people try to pull a "price-is-right" one or two or three pennies over max bid |
| 05:58.05 | brlcad | bid your actual and a few dimes and avoid the fuss, make them go to the next dollar |
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| 11:37.52 | Laniakea | brlcad: do you have some mailing lists? |
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| 12:46.50 | brlcad | Laniakea: there are several |
| 12:47.39 | clock_ | brlcad: could you please also host my Ronja mailing list? |
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| 13:05.48 | poolio | mornin brlcad |
| 14:09.37 | brlcad | howdy |
| 14:20.43 | poolio | I think I'm done all the paperwork, back to coding :) |
| 17:29.35 | poolio | brlcad: hrmph. I just rewrote code that I already implemented and had saved in CVS. oops. |
| 17:35.38 | clock_ | brlcad: can you host mailing lists from other projects? |
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| 18:59.06 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2 7.8.4cygwinbuild.png :) |
| 19:00.12 | IriX64 | ogl though givesd me a bad FB_CK_MAG number :( |
| 19:01.26 | IriX64 | when trying to attach to ogl i mean |
| 19:01.53 | IriX64 | on the bright side nu works :) |
| 19:04.36 | IriX64 | it calls out line 199 in if_ogl.c but that line just calls the check |
| 19:05.17 | brlcad | clock_: hmm |
| 19:05.52 | brlcad | clock_: i suppose that depends, though there are a few aspects outside my control (like the list prefix) |
| 19:07.33 | IriX64 | http://rafb.net/p/YosGwI66.html <--- anybody have any ideas |
| 19:08.15 | brlcad | IriX64: looks like opengl was only half-enabled |
| 19:08.22 | brlcad | so it crashes |
| 19:08.35 | IriX64 | you mean at configure time? |
| 19:08.40 | brlcad | that's really hard to do anything about without stepping through the initialization in a debugger |
| 19:08.59 | IriX64 | mmm i have no debugger :) |
| 19:09.24 | brlcad | configure/compilation time .. it could be a preprocessor symbol not being set right because of configure checks or an outright opengl bug (though really doubtful) |
| 19:09.24 | IriX64 | i'll play with X then :) |
| 19:09.36 | brlcad | you have a debugger, or can easily get one.. gdb :) |
| 19:09.44 | IriX64 | thanks |
| 19:10.07 | IriX64 | i doubt its ogl |
| 19:12.24 | brlcad | you doubt what is opengl? |
| 19:13.21 | IriX64 | the problem |
| 19:13.35 | brlcad | speculating on the problem isn't likely going to get you anywhere, it could really be at least a *hundred* different things |
| 19:14.27 | brlcad | if you don't have a debugger and the ability to step through the code line by line, it's pretty much a dead end without wasted effort |
| 19:16.21 | IriX64 | agreed, think i'll stick to X for now |
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| 19:23.00 | IriX64 | now what havie built and what can it do :) |
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