| 00:13.15 | IriX64 | Opera, go figure :) |
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| 01:03.42 | IriX64 | who wrote autogen.sh? |
| 01:04.47 | IriX64 | the header is there but no authors name or am i just missing it? |
| 01:08.14 | IriX64 | just wondering, because i'm having a problem upgrading to automake-1.10, it parsed it as 1.1.0 so i dropped back to 1.9.6 |
| 01:16.28 | IriX64 | libtool i'm running is 1.5.22 it parses fine |
| 01:22.20 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2 :) a little playing around |
| 01:23.38 | IriX64 | should see what rev irssi is at i guess that ones old |
| 01:26.22 | IriX64 | hah .8.11 |
| 01:34.09 | IriX64 | sigh no perl again, one day i'm gonna have to tackle that |
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| 01:41.20 | IriX64_ | works, might as well put it on the server :) |
| 01:47.34 | IriX64 | there you go (as if anybody wants it though they all use Mirc :P) |
| 02:04.13 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/598132 <---- man i thought you fixed it (cvs update not 3 hrs ago) |
| 02:05.36 | IriX64 | mistake me for a serious man will you :P |
| 02:06.40 | IriX64 | the benign ones i won't report :) |
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| 02:24.03 | IriX64 | http://www.pastebin.ca/598148 <---- could use some help here. |
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| 02:28.56 | IriX64 | tried with system tk lib too, problem is it comes from the same people :) |
| 02:29.42 | IriX64 | 8.5a5 8.5a6 happens with both |
| 02:38.33 | IriX64 | gotta go guys, l8r |
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| 04:30.35 | IriX64 | tried a make distclean, tcl has no rule to do a distclean :( |
| 04:42.09 | IriX64 | the old build works with Xwin32 too, hoping the same for 7.10 :) |
| 04:45.01 | IriX64 | www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/mapped.png have a look |
| 04:46.51 | IriX64 | err http:www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2 mapped.png sorry :) |
| 04:55.55 | brlcad | stop it |
| 05:00.36 | IriX64 | ok |
| 05:11.27 | IriX64 | permantly? If I get something worth sharing, is it allowed? |
| 05:12.17 | brlcad | you've been going pretty much non-stop for over 4 hours |
| 05:12.35 | brlcad | with complete disregard to anyone talking back and stopping after 5 |
| 05:12.50 | IriX64 | apologies |
| 05:33.38 | IriX64 | goodnight |
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| 08:24.37 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: busy? |
| 08:25.10 | MinuteElectron | configure: creating ./config.status |
| 08:25.12 | MinuteElectron | .infig.status: error: cannot find input file: |
| 08:27.46 | brlcad | sounds like you're still missing things, sounds like autogen.sh did not complete successfully/correctly but I'd need more info to know for sure |
| 08:28.05 | brlcad | run ./autogen.sh --verbose and make sure it completes correctly |
| 08:29.28 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 08:31.04 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: winsock.h error http://paste2.org/p/4194 |
| 08:51.43 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: What would be the signs of a problem |
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| 14:14.17 | n9986 | Hi all |
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| 14:21.01 | AchiestDragon | well at least he did not ask a question and leave before anyone got arround to answer it like normal :) |
| 14:28.10 | poolio | hehe, mornin |
| 14:28.22 | AchiestDragon | hi |
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| 16:42.55 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: ping |
| 16:43.24 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: :) true |
| 16:43.42 | brlcad | so, how does this look: http://my.brlcad.org/tmp/newtitle.png |
| 16:55.38 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: back |
| 16:57.36 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: wow! looking good |
| 16:58.45 | brlcad | it should collapse down to about 1024 wide minimum with the right css |
| 16:59.08 | elite01 | fine |
| 16:59.17 | MinuteElectron | it is 1200x600 |
| 16:59.48 | brlcad | right, at 1200 now in that clip, but it should compress further |
| 16:59.55 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 17:00.13 | MinuteElectron | you have two images? |
| 17:01.20 | brlcad | the right side should be able to move in/out almost all the way over -- where the search and menu come together probably |
| 17:01.26 | brlcad | two images? |
| 17:01.34 | MinuteElectron | ok, I get it |
| 17:02.32 | brlcad | there are probably 4 or 5 css-layers in there to make it work |
| 17:03.39 | brlcad | the logo text, the left background, the right background, the left search, and the right menu |
| 17:04.19 | MinuteElectron | the logo text is going to be seperate? |
| 17:04.26 | MinuteElectron | it would be easier to make it par tof hte image |
| 17:05.12 | brlcad | then it won't compress much more than 1200 |
| 17:05.29 | brlcad | to get the right side to slide under the left without seeing a hard line |
| 17:05.53 | MinuteElectron | hmm, ok |
| 17:06.00 | brlcad | i mean unless you can sort it out, good luck with that :) |
| 17:06.10 | MinuteElectron | :D |
| 17:06.11 | brlcad | the css is the hard part ;) |
| 17:06.22 | brlcad | there's lots of little detail in ther |
| 17:06.25 | MinuteElectron | do you have the original photoshop files so i can get the layers out of it? |
| 17:06.30 | brlcad | the menu in particular |
| 17:06.36 | brlcad | yeah, sure |
| 17:06.39 | brlcad | hold on a sec |
| 17:08.31 | brlcad | uploaded, same dir titlebar.psd |
| 17:09.00 | MinuteElectron | thanks |
| 17:12.33 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: ha, I see the Haiku layer at the bottom :P |
| 17:15.04 | brlcad | yup |
| 17:15.06 | brlcad | comparison |
| 17:15.31 | brlcad | and inspiration |
| 17:31.20 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: There is a problem with the truck. |
| 17:32.13 | brlcad | what's that? |
| 17:32.24 | MinuteElectron | 82.7.33.28/drupal-5.1/ |
| 17:32.27 | MinuteElectron | http://82.7.33.28/drupal-5.1/ |
| 17:32.38 | MinuteElectron | On resolutions 1024x768 it looks good |
| 17:32.50 | MinuteElectron | but anything lower then the truck gets cut. |
| 17:34.09 | brlcad | that's what I was referring to about making the title text a separate layer |
| 17:34.30 | MinuteElectron | oh I see, |
| 17:34.35 | brlcad | makes that line go away |
| 17:34.36 | MinuteElectron | working on it |
| 17:35.01 | brlcad | three layers, so the right side is above the left's background but under the left's text |
| 17:35.56 | brlcad | did gimp strip out the text layer effects or'd you do that? |
| 17:36.17 | MinuteElectron | it was gimp |
| 17:36.26 | MinuteElectron | coudl you send me the text in a png |
| 17:36.29 | brlcad | sure |
| 17:38.05 | brlcad | want them as one or two? |
| 17:38.11 | MinuteElectron | one please |
| 17:41.29 | brlcad | http://my.brlcad.org/tmp/titletext.png |
| 17:41.46 | MinuteElectron | thanks |
| 17:44.46 | brlcad | sure, let me know if you need any others |
| 17:45.02 | brlcad | that should be the only blend going on if i'm not mistaken |
| 17:48.46 | brlcad | ah, xyz needs it's own layer too to work right |
| 17:49.33 | MinuteElectron | xyz? |
| 17:49.40 | MinuteElectron | oh |
| 17:49.43 | MinuteElectron | the graph |
| 17:50.03 | brlcad | the axes |
| 17:50.08 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Can you take a look at the thing? |
| 17:50.19 | MinuteElectron | It is not improved. |
| 17:50.47 | brlcad | http://my.brlcad.org/tmp/xyz.png |
| 17:51.54 | brlcad | looks like it's getting better |
| 17:52.01 | MinuteElectron | not at 800x600 |
| 17:54.22 | MinuteElectron | xyz added |
| 17:54.34 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Opinon? |
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| 18:03.41 | brlcad | http://my.brlcad.org/tmp/titleleft.png |
| 18:04.26 | brlcad | with that, you should be able to let the right side be all the way back |
| 18:04.32 | brlcad | so it just slides under |
| 18:04.44 | poolio | howdy brlcad |
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| 18:05.03 | brlcad | howdy poolio |
| 18:07.01 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2 m35.jpg (it did it :)) |
| 18:07.02 | poolio | gorgeous day, what are we all doing on our computers? :p |
| 18:07.23 | IriX64 | poolio and why is our wallpaper a shot of a sunset :) |
| 18:07.55 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: Any chance you could remove the border on the top and left, I cannot without b0rking the transparency. |
| 18:08.07 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: cool, ure server fixed |
| 18:08.31 | brlcad | IriX64: interesting, photon mapping I presume |
| 18:08.39 | IriX64 | minuteelectron yeah was trying something, doesn't work that way :) |
| 18:08.41 | brlcad | MinuteElectron: sure |
| 18:08.44 | IriX64 | brlcad yes |
| 18:08.47 | brlcad | you mean the black stripe |
| 18:09.15 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 18:09.19 | brlcad | would like to retain the hairline, though it certainly doesn't have to be in the iamge |
| 18:09.26 | MinuteElectron | dw |
| 18:09.30 | MinuteElectron | I will change the other images |
| 18:09.50 | poolio | MinuteElectron: Is there a recent version of the site up somewhere? |
| 18:10.08 | MinuteElectron | http://82.7.33.28/drupal-1.5 |
| 18:10.33 | IriX64 | doesn't resolve minuteelectron |
| 18:10.39 | brlcad | want me to fill it in transparent or clip the image one pixel smaller? |
| 18:10.51 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: neither, I will do it. |
| 18:10.58 | poolio | it's drupal-5.1 not 1.5 |
| 18:11.03 | MinuteElectron | yeah |
| 18:11.05 | MinuteElectron | bah |
| 18:11.14 | brlcad | so, what do you want me to do with it? :) |
| 18:11.15 | IriX64 | heh |
| 18:11.20 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: nothing |
| 18:11.29 | brlcad | heh, okay |
| 18:11.52 | poolio | nifty header. |
| 18:12.02 | MinuteElectron | look now everyone |
| 18:12.21 | MinuteElectron | just not in IE. |
| 18:12.34 | brlcad | awesome |
| 18:12.47 | IriX64 | i'm looking in ie seems right |
| 18:12.49 | poolio | WOAH! Hooray transparency! |
| 18:12.50 | MinuteElectron | Resizes successfully down to 800x600 |
| 18:12.59 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: Yes, grey blobs FTW. |
| 18:13.16 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: You running 7? |
| 18:13.31 | IriX64 | 6 let me try fiefox minutelectron |
| 18:13.35 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 18:13.37 | IriX64 | err firefox |
| 18:14.34 | brlcad | woot, that actually lets it work all the way down to 655 :-) |
| 18:14.44 | MinuteElectron | :D |
| 18:14.53 | IriX64 | minuteelectron looks same |
| 18:15.02 | MinuteElectron | same? |
| 18:15.06 | IriX64 | yes |
| 18:15.18 | MinuteElectron | do a screenshot just to test please :) |
| 18:15.37 | poolio | brlcad: I'd say 651, but ok :) |
| 18:15.39 | brlcad | poolio: here's the end effect we're currently going for: http://my.brlcad.org/tmp/newtitle.png |
| 18:15.45 | IriX64 | just a sec firefox first then ie ok? |
| 18:15.48 | brlcad | poolio: heh, fair nuf :) |
| 18:15.59 | MinuteElectron | ok |
| 18:16.08 | poolio | brlcad: cool, I'm not sure I'm a fan of the tan navigation though |
| 18:16.30 | poolio | and I'd float the search box into the header instead of having it stick down |
| 18:16.54 | brlcad | the color was pulled from the eagle logo frame |
| 18:17.05 | poolio | Yeah, I still think it's ugly though :) |
| 18:17.22 | poolio | and if you aren't using the eagle logo in the header it doesnt really matter |
| 18:17.27 | AchiestDragon | hmm |
| 18:17.46 | poolio | i think a more purple-blue-grey theme would be better |
| 18:17.49 | brlcad | yeah, more just a nod to it than a reason |
| 18:17.53 | poolio | yeah |
| 18:18.07 | brlcad | which matched up nicely color-wise with the truck and the green |
| 18:18.12 | IriX64 | minuteelectron, my server same.jpg both in one |
| 18:18.27 | AchiestDragon | not so shure , the old logo looks a bit too military based , the new one looks like well home made |
| 18:18.52 | MinuteElectron | IriX64: Yeah, that is how it is meant to look. |
| 18:19.19 | brlcad | i'm not entirely happy with the menu itself yet, but it's something |
| 18:19.38 | poolio | brlcad: mhmm. I'm really picky when it comes to web design :) |
| 18:20.10 | AchiestDragon | the truck needs to have perspective turned on |
| 18:21.13 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: yeah, I'm actually trying to get away from the whole military feel just a little. not loosing the logo, but pushing it out of the spotlight a little |
| 18:21.53 | brlcad | poolio: you're more than welcome to tweak it or come up with another menu :) |
| 18:22.00 | AchiestDragon | ues the old logo as a door image on the side of the truck |
| 18:22.52 | IriX64 | brlcad: perhaps a photon map shot of havoc somewhere just to show the power inherent |
| 18:23.13 | poolio | brlcad: hehe. can I do it on the clock? |
| 18:23.50 | brlcad | poolio: after this summer, sure :) |
| 18:24.15 | AchiestDragon | yes , that i think is the problem with the new logo the effect is shows is not rendered it gives the impression that the output of brlcad will look like that |
| 18:24.26 | poolio | brlcad: hehe, should I keep beset as my first priority then? |
| 18:24.41 | poolio | brlcad: also, is your my.brlcad.org/tmp directory supposed to be world readable? |
| 18:25.07 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: by logo do you mean the title text? |
| 18:25.18 | AchiestDragon | no the graphics with it |
| 18:25.34 | brlcad | not sure what you mean then |
| 18:25.44 | brlcad | I generated all the graphics from within brl-cad |
| 18:26.18 | poolio | brlcad: AHAHHA. http://my.brlcad.org/tmp/endofworld.swf |
| 18:26.37 | brlcad | only thing I didn't is the menu and the BRL-CAD title text .. and I could have done the title text too, but that would have been a bear to set up the same lighting hilights |
| 18:26.53 | brlcad | poolio: yeah, that's great |
| 18:26.53 | AchiestDragon | i mean the graphis you used show the wire frame , and half transparancy , rather than a solid rnedered photon view in perspective |
| 18:27.43 | brlcad | it's a blend of a wireframe, an hidden line render, and a regular raytrace |
| 18:29.13 | brlcad | there's actually a point for that too -- the progression of primitives on the left to more complex read geometry on the right |
| 18:29.14 | poolio | brlcad: i think I might get some work done, try to figure out how to deal with all the different shapes and trees and what not |
| 18:29.36 | poolio | brlcad: what shapes do you think should be implemented for starters? spheres/ellipsoids, rpp, and anything else? |
| 18:31.57 | brlcad | conics (tgc family), ellipsoids (ell family), planar polyhedra (arb8 family), and the torus |
| 18:32.13 | brlcad | that will give most shapes |
| 18:32.18 | poolio | alright cool. is rpp part of the arb8 family? |
| 18:32.22 | brlcad | yeah |
| 18:32.41 | poolio | alright, and are there sub shapes for arb8 or is rpp just an alias for a specialized arb8? |
| 18:33.05 | brlcad | sort of an alias |
| 18:33.29 | brlcad | they are stored as arb8's but are evaluated as rpps (as you can do the ray-tracing faster that way) |
| 18:34.28 | MinuteElectron | That end of the world video is hilarious. |
| 18:34.34 | poolio | ah Ok. Also I might end up working with the tcl strings for the shapes, seems like that means a lot less work for me |
| 18:35.03 | brlcad | just like how the equation of an rcc (cylindrical tube) is very simple so that is used for evaluation, whereas the general equation of that shape is a truncated general cone (that is slightly more complex to evaluate) |
| 18:37.51 | MinuteElectron | brlcad: I have a problem. |
| 18:38.04 | MinuteElectron | I am about to start doing the CSS for the navigation bar, |
| 18:38.36 | MinuteElectron | however the class identifiers could change when druapl is installed for real |
| 18:39.16 | MinuteElectron | and if it did the entire navigation would be ruined |
| 18:39.27 | brlcad | so lets do it for real then ;) |
| 18:39.37 | poolio | MinuteElectron: That's why God invited regex. |
| 18:39.40 | brlcad | s/lets // ;) |
| 18:39.44 | poolio | brlcad: ahahhaa :D |
| 18:40.08 | MinuteElectron | poolio: ok... |
| 18:40.17 | brlcad | i'll just need a few bits of info from you |
| 18:40.24 | MinuteElectron | ok... |
| 18:41.36 | AchiestDragon | brlcad: like http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Brlcad.jpg&oldid=607 |
| 18:42.25 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, nice, my current wallpaper :) |
| 18:43.00 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon I think I like yours better |
| 18:43.20 | AchiestDragon | it shows of what can be done better than showing of the low qualaty working view |
| 18:45.17 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, it's too small for wallpaper, stretches out of proportion |
| 18:46.07 | AchiestDragon | the width of the image is limited as it is only a section of the image on your site so not hi res ,, |
| 18:46.23 | AchiestDragon | the brlcad site that is |
| 18:50.33 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, my server.... Havoc.jpg |
| 18:51.36 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: hehe, though if you knew the setup required for that image... it's a bit more misleading than blended renderings effort-wise :) |
| 18:52.21 | AchiestDragon | yes |
| 18:52.37 | brlcad | personally, i'm a bit tired of that image too :) |
| 18:52.56 | brlcad | though I certainly see and show it a bit more than you probably :) |
| 18:53.31 | AchiestDragon | but the renderings used dont show of the realistic effect that brlcad can produce , although i tend to aggree that that himage has been arround for some time |
| 18:54.05 | AchiestDragon | any user submitted image that comes close to the "realistic effect" with good detail that could be used |
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| 18:54.44 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, if you like mine use it everything on that site is available |
| 18:55.06 | poolio | oops. |
| 18:55.27 | AchiestDragon | the helecopter is good but its yet another mil type image |
| 18:55.57 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, choose something in the example geometry or give me one :) |
| 18:56.50 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, the shuttle or nozzle would be great but i can't find them and am not about to purchase that program :) |
| 18:57.24 | AchiestDragon | had one better , give me a few mins see if i can find the archive |
| 18:57.31 | IriX64 | sure |
| 19:07.26 | AchiestDragon | http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Alien.png&oldid=608 |
| 19:08.10 | AchiestDragon | it was a blender file that i exported then imported into brlcad some time ago |
| 19:10.58 | AchiestDragon | i dont have the name of the original author of that but its gpl and if it was to be used it would need his name for the credits |
| 19:15.18 | brlcad | heh, neat picture |
| 19:16.22 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, thought you were going to give me geometry :) |
| 19:16.34 | AchiestDragon | alot of the meshes turned into arrays of triangles so it lost the curves on the surfaces in the export |
| 19:26.26 | AchiestDragon | i did this in solidworks but converted it to brlcad ... |
| 19:26.40 | AchiestDragon | http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Rendered.png&oldid=609 |
| 19:28.35 | AchiestDragon | before making this , http://www.whipy.demon.co.uk/robot4.jpg |
| 19:30.04 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, I presume the materials are germanium and silicon :) |
| 19:32.25 | IriX64 | artist too |
| 19:33.22 | IriX64 | mmmm 7.6.1 my first experience was with 7.6.0 |
| 19:36.22 | IriX64 | TankCar.jpg |
| 19:49.26 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: hah, that's awesome |
| 19:49.35 | brlcad | dues it actually drive? |
| 19:51.00 | AchiestDragon | it needed another ideler wheel at each side to stop it sheading the tracks when turning |
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| 20:05.51 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, they built that from brl-cad specs? |
| 20:06.24 | IriX64 | heh roborooter comes to mind (duck) |
| 20:47.32 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, maybe you can use this, it came out black though, have to play with the illumination |
| 20:47.37 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/Geometric_Solutions_Tank_Car2.jpg |
| 21:05.26 | AchiestDragon | maybe ,, do you have a raytraced output with good lighting of it |
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| 21:16.35 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, how bout a regular raytrace not photonmapped will that do, I can have one quickly? |
| 21:18.48 | AchiestDragon | the havoc pic is good because it looks realistic , i gues theres little chance of finding something rendered to that qualaty |
| 21:19.11 | brlcad | seeing havoc rendered with rise would be interesting |
| 21:19.13 | AchiestDragon | and ok so it took how many days to render |
| 21:19.43 | poolio | alright guys, i'm gonna go play some ultimate, be back later :) |
| 21:20.33 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/GeoMetricSolutionsTankCar.png |
| 21:20.38 | IriX64 | days? |
| 21:21.10 | IriX64 | adrt doesn't compile here (yet:)) |
| 21:27.23 | AchiestDragon | imeant the stryker icv 5 days on 48 X 2.4Ghz xeon's |
| 21:28.40 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, I saw that 8trillion rays |
| 21:29.04 | brlcad | those numbers were later cut in half, fwiw |
| 21:29.29 | IriX64 | AchiestDragon, lets do a bench, get brlcad to send me the .g file :) |
| 21:29.46 | IriX64 | brlcad I can't imagine that |
| 21:30.07 | AchiestDragon | well bot hmged and archer dont work on this pc :( so canot try atm |
| 21:30.46 | IriX64 | I haven't played with archer yet |
| 21:31.12 | AchiestDragon | was hoping archer would of been running in linux by now |
| 21:31.24 | IriX64 | superior to mged? |
| 21:32.07 | brlcad | in some ways, not in others |
| 21:32.23 | IriX64 | noted will explore later |
| 21:32.27 | AchiestDragon | it looked an easyer interface to use when i saw it last , ok so got to be about 2 years back |
| 21:32.29 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: patches welcome ;) |
| 21:32.42 | brlcad | I'd give just about anyone commit access if they wanted to work on it ;) |
| 21:33.02 | brlcad | is mostly build integration issues, not even archer issues for the most part |
| 21:33.26 | brlcad | it's just been low on the totem pole |
| 21:34.02 | AchiestDragon | i may have a go , but need to sort out my graphic card config first ,, got to remove one of the cards and get the system to boot without resorting to some od config each time |
| 21:35.41 | AchiestDragon | theres a matrox g200 quad head and a g550 dual head card in here , the quad card is driving 2 lcd's and the dual just the one , but it forgets the xconfig after power on |
| 21:36.23 | AchiestDragon | i have to manualy edit it and restart x after each power on |
| 21:37.29 | AchiestDragon | almost at the stage of doing a compleate reinstall , but sort of keep posponing it as it works fine after |
| 21:40.32 | AchiestDragon | although going to load brlcad on the windows box when i get time |
| 21:41.26 | AchiestDragon | maybe later tonight |
| 21:41.29 | brlcad | :) |
| 21:58.18 | IriX64 | AciestDragon, the windows archer i've experimented with |
| 21:58.28 | IriX64 | err AchiestDragon too |
| 22:03.21 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/Archer.png <--- just messing around |
| 22:05.18 | IriX64 | brlcad: does -ffast-math really make a difference, i've never experimented with speed enhancers |
| 22:07.51 | brlcad | experiment |
| 22:19.25 | AchiestDragon | well installed in windows |
| 22:20.08 | AchiestDragon | now i remeber how bad the mged command set is to remeber |
| 22:21.36 | brlcad | yeah, it can be a bear if you don't use it repeatedly |
| 22:21.50 | brlcad | which wouldn't be so bad, but the help facilities are teh suck too sometimes |
| 22:22.43 | AchiestDragon | well at least i have a working verision installed on one macine anyway |
| 22:23.45 | AchiestDragon | although not in mood to trol though doc's tonight |
| 22:24.35 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/mged.png <--- this command set ;) |
| 22:27.10 | poolio | evenin |
| 22:27.24 | SuperTaz | irix |
| 22:27.36 | SuperTaz | what modeller is in the chackground of the archer image? |
| 22:27.42 | SuperTaz | background, even |
| 22:28.09 | IriX64 | modeller? |
| 22:28.25 | SuperTaz | with the wireframe in it? |
| 22:28.44 | IriX64 | havoc and i rt'ed it |
| 22:28.51 | SuperTaz | rt? |
| 22:28.56 | IriX64 | raytrace |
| 22:28.59 | SuperTaz | ahhh |
| 22:29.08 | SuperTaz | havoc is the modeller? |
| 22:29.14 | SuperTaz | works with brl-cad? |
| 22:29.26 | IriX64 | I don't know your terms explain modeller to me |
| 22:29.46 | SuperTaz | that which you created the model in |
| 22:29.59 | SuperTaz | the tool behind the rendering |
| 22:30.02 | IriX64 | the geometry window |
| 22:30.06 | SuperTaz | yes |
| 22:30.08 | SuperTaz | what is that? |
| 22:30.15 | IriX64 | part of archer |
| 22:30.16 | brlcad | that is archer |
| 22:30.19 | SuperTaz | ahhh |
| 22:30.20 | IriX64 | yes |
| 22:30.32 | IriX64 | sorry for the confusion :) |
| 22:30.34 | SuperTaz | where'd you get archer? |
| 22:30.54 | IriX64 | windows binaries distribution;) |
| 22:31.01 | IriX64 | off sourceforge |
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| 22:31.10 | SuperTaz | oh...it's windows only? |
| 22:31.13 | brlcad | archer is a refactoring of mged written predominantly by mged's primary author |
| 22:31.15 | IriX64 | yes sorry |
| 22:31.24 | poolio | brlcad: who was mged's primary author? |
| 22:31.40 | brlcad | he started cleaning stuff up (starting several years ago) and after a while, he had the foundations for a new editor |
| 22:31.47 | brlcad | poolio: Bob |
| 22:31.53 | brlcad | Parker |
| 22:32.05 | SuperTaz | ahhhh |
| 22:32.05 | SuperTaz | it's nice |
| 22:32.05 | SuperTaz | shame it's windows only |
| 22:32.10 | brlcad | it's not really windows-only |
| 22:32.15 | SuperTaz | oh? |
| 22:32.18 | brlcad | it's just only been released in binary form on windows |
| 22:32.24 | brlcad | and presently doesn't run out of CVS ;) |
| 22:32.38 | brlcad | but code-wise, it'll run on windows, linux, mac, bsd, at least |
| 22:32.51 | SuperTaz | oh |
| 22:33.03 | SuperTaz | so, in other words...I can't run it on my mac |
| 22:33.04 | brlcad | just needs some build infrastructure clean-up |
| 22:33.06 | SuperTaz | because it won't build |
| 22:33.10 | brlcad | right |
| 22:33.16 | brlcad | actually, it builds |
| 22:33.17 | SuperTaz | well poop |
| 22:33.27 | SuperTaz | it just won't run? |
| 22:33.28 | brlcad | but it will complain at run-time about not finding some resource library it needs |
| 22:33.31 | brlcad | path problem |
| 22:33.34 | SuperTaz | ahhh |
| 22:33.39 | brlcad | looking in the wrong place |
| 22:33.53 | SuperTaz | is it fixable? |
| 22:34.31 | brlcad | infinitely |
| 22:34.47 | SuperTaz | I'm just asking because I would like something a little smoother than vanilla mged |
| 22:35.10 | SuperTaz | can't find archer on sourceforge |
| 22:35.26 | brlcad | it's still not meant to be a full-blown mged replacement, missing lots of commands you'd eventually want |
| 22:35.51 | SuperTaz | yeah, but it looks pretty decent for rapid prototyping |
| 22:36.04 | brlcad | bob gets to play with it mostly in his spare time, mostly good as a viewer at this point |
| 22:36.06 | SuperTaz | looks nice and user-friendly |
| 22:36.10 | IriX64 | unix archer is part of cvs |
| 22:36.10 | SuperTaz | oh |
| 22:36.13 | SuperTaz | bah |
| 22:36.13 | brlcad | it's a lot more friendly |
| 22:36.29 | brlcad | it can do editing, but I"m just saying that it's far from "done" |
| 22:36.32 | SuperTaz | I just need something friendly to design geometry in |
| 22:36.42 | SuperTaz | mged is not friendly, thus far |
| 22:36.49 | SuperTaz | of course, I'm a n00b to mged |
| 22:36.53 | IriX64 | how so? |
| 22:36.55 | brlcad | far from replacing even a 10% of what mged does feature-wise |
| 22:37.17 | brlcad | though what it does, it generally does better |
| 22:37.22 | poolio | SuperTaz: mged isn't that hard to learn. Take some time and read through the tutorials online |
| 22:37.27 | brlcad | really just needs some loving care and attention |
| 22:37.34 | SuperTaz | I have the tutorials |
| 22:37.46 | SuperTaz | I just have to have the time to go through them |
| 22:38.01 | IriX64 | SuperTaz you can create many of the standard primitives from the gui |
| 22:38.03 | brlcad | therein being the crux of the problem ;) |
| 22:38.07 | SuperTaz | and it'd be nice to have a nicer interface |
| 22:38.21 | SuperTaz | I'd take an Alias 6 interface |
| 22:38.27 | brlcad | there are other efforts also under way for a better interface |
| 22:38.31 | SuperTaz | or an explore interface |
| 22:38.39 | brlcad | for which archer is in the right direction, but not on the same path |
| 22:38.47 | SuperTaz | *nod* |
| 22:39.07 | SuperTaz | even the original softimage interface would be fine |
| 22:40.07 | SuperTaz | though I wasn't a huge fan of it...I preferred alias and explore...they used very little real estate for buttons and menus, but made it all available via context menu (explore) or via a single mode/button set (alias) |
| 22:40.09 | brlcad | it's a shame that mged's interface is so difficult (and ugly), because feature-wise, it does it a major disservice -- there are lots of things you can do in brl-cad that really are better than just about every other package |
| 22:40.26 | SuperTaz | *nod* |
| 22:40.33 | SuperTaz | I like its maturity |
| 22:40.41 | SuperTaz | but the interface is poo |
| 22:40.44 | brlcad | :) |
| 22:40.47 | SuperTaz | I've used a bunch of modellers |
| 22:40.52 | SuperTaz | some nearly as mature |
| 22:41.02 | SuperTaz | and they all have better interfaces |
| 22:41.51 | brlcad | they all have had entirely different development lifelines and budgets too ;) |
| 22:42.10 | SuperTaz | of course :) |
| 22:42.12 | brlcad | it wasn't really until brl-cad became open source that the interface became that much of an issue |
| 22:42.13 | IriX64 | http://www3.sympatico.ca/mario.dulisse2/Test.png <---- this took seconds |
| 22:42.27 | SuperTaz | but the military and then a commercial organization developed brl-cad |
| 22:42.47 | brlcad | commercial org? |
| 22:43.08 | WindowsDragon | well here goes nothing , brb on other machine soon holefully |
| 22:43.13 | SuperTaz | you'd think they'd have made an interface that was at least semi-user friendly |
| 22:43.20 | brlcad | it's never been unilaterally developed by a commercial org -- closest would have been GSI in the 90's but even their work was a partnership |
| 22:43.25 | SuperTaz | brl: didn't it it go private? |
| 22:43.30 | brlcad | nope |
| 22:43.37 | SuperTaz | oh...I thought GSI owned it for that period |
| 22:43.46 | SuperTaz | under contract to the gov't |
| 22:43.54 | SuperTaz | didn't realize it was a partnership |
| 22:44.11 | SuperTaz | cause I thought they made it commercially available in that period? |
| 22:44.13 | brlcad | no no, it's always remained under active development since it started |
| 22:44.27 | brlcad | you might be thinking of SURVICE Engineering |
| 22:44.46 | brlcad | as they provide commercial _support_ and have done so for many years |
| 22:44.54 | brlcad | you could buy a copy or brl-cad, and it'd come from them |
| 22:45.05 | brlcad | but it was the same version that we were making |
| 22:45.10 | SuperTaz | anyway, in 20+ years of development, you'd think it would have gotten an intuitive view menu, a sensible default view (X Y Z perspective) |
| 22:45.15 | SuperTaz | and a couple of other things |
| 22:45.22 | brlcad | they just built the binaries and put them on a disc for you |
| 22:45.27 | SuperTaz | ahhh |
| 22:45.36 | SuperTaz | I thought they also did some active development, too |
| 22:45.37 | brlcad | along with nice printed manuals and guaranteed support staff for answering your questiongs |
| 22:46.07 | brlcad | they do some development, still do even, but they participate just like anyone else in the open source arena now |
| 22:46.25 | SuperTaz | *nod* |
| 22:46.30 | SuperTaz | well, that's good, at least |
| 22:46.42 | brlcad | survice basically paid bob to work on archer for a couple years non-stop |
| 22:46.43 | SuperTaz | anyway, I'm sure it's possible to get it to look better |
| 22:46.49 | brlcad | that's why it got as far as it did |
| 22:46.49 | SuperTaz | ahhh...nice |
| 22:47.01 | brlcad | then they needed him on some other things |
| 22:47.09 | IriX64 | SuperTaz, do you want me to upload these binaries since you can't find them? |
| 22:47.26 | SuperTaz | irix: won't help me any...this is a mac :) |
| 22:47.27 | brlcad | SuperTaz: he meant for Mac, so probably not :) |
| 22:47.33 | IriX64 | ahh |
| 22:47.45 | IriX64 | :) |
| 22:48.29 | brlcad | SuperTaz: you would think that a better interface would have cropped up, but the domain and demands of what everyone needs *right now* always overrule |
| 22:48.33 | SuperTaz | can't remember the shell command to start x on a mac |
| 22:48.47 | SuperTaz | brlcad: yeah, often the reality |
| 22:49.13 | brlcad | that is, the folks that pay for new development don't care if it's pretty or even if it's easy to use, so long as it can get the job done (which mged does splendidly most of the time) |
| 22:49.16 | SuperTaz | brlcad: sadly, it's been proven that a good interface makes for much more time |
| 22:49.20 | brlcad | open -a X11 |
| 22:49.24 | SuperTaz | *nod* |
| 22:49.42 | SuperTaz | ahhh |
| 22:49.46 | SuperTaz | thanks |
| 22:49.49 | brlcad | SuperTaz: oh, I know .. but saying it's proven doesn't pay for the new interface ;) |
| 22:50.03 | SuperTaz | I think I was thinking of a different command, but that works ;) |
| 22:50.19 | brlcad | no matter how many times you say it, how many graphs and time studies you do -- they need/want other features and time is limited |
| 22:50.25 | brlcad | so it's up to the open source community really |
| 22:50.44 | brlcad | where the economics go out the window mostly :) |
| 22:51.01 | SuperTaz | and then they'll rebundle it and make a killing ;) |
| 22:52.18 | brlcad | nah, at worst, they'd be like the gforgegroup is to gforge or like redhat is to the linux kernel -- a distributor for something that you can get for free, available for folks that want to pay for guaranteed support |
| 22:52.41 | SuperTaz | is brl-cad gpl? |
| 22:52.44 | SuperTaz | thought it was bsd? |
| 22:52.47 | brlcad | lgpl and bsd |
| 22:52.54 | SuperTaz | *nod* |
| 22:53.02 | brlcad | most of the code is lgpl |
| 22:53.05 | SuperTaz | so they can sell it for as much as they'd like :) |
| 22:53.26 | SuperTaz | and add their own customizations around it :) |
| 22:53.27 | brlcad | build infrastructure, docs, data resources, and some other portions like the benchmark suite are bsd |
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| 22:54.01 | brlcad | that they could and so could you |
| 22:54.36 | brlcad | they wouldn't do anything in bad faith, though, they're a pretty good group |
| 22:55.19 | brlcad | and they'd sure as heck not want to risk any bad relationship with the gov't, they know who their daddy is |
| 22:55.26 | SuperTaz | okay...slowly fighting my way into the gui |
| 22:55.45 | SuperTaz | *nod* |
| 22:55.58 | SuperTaz | and yes, I know I could take it and spruce up the gui and sell it |
| 22:56.21 | SuperTaz | if I did that, though, a) I'd need some customers and b) I'd still contribute back ;) |
| 22:56.57 | IriX64 | SuperTaz, I just plat want my code, maybe you can make a killing with it :) |
| 22:57.02 | brlcad | you'd be obligated for most of the code, only your enhancements that weren't integrated would be yours to share or not |
| 22:57.02 | IriX64 | play not plat |
| 22:57.54 | SuperTaz | brlcad: yeah |
| 22:58.01 | SuperTaz | brlcad: not that I'm about to do so :) |
| 22:58.45 | SuperTaz | brlcad: but you can always do things like build a plugin harness that's lgpl, and then create plugins that are closed source or restricted distribution, etc. |
| 22:59.30 | SuperTaz | i.e. make the plugins GPL and distribute a commercial version of them as well (optimized and/or otherwise fortified) |
| 22:59.55 | SuperTaz | and then you just disallow commercial distribution of the plugins |
| 23:00.02 | SuperTaz | there are other licenses, too... |
| 23:00.05 | SuperTaz | *shrug* |
| 23:00.29 | brlcad | yeah, just not likely worth the effort and bad publicity if they didn't get a nod that it was okay beforehand |
| 23:00.30 | SuperTaz | the MySQL and Postgres model works pretty well...it allows them to pay developers AND leverage the community |
| 23:01.38 | brlcad | "pretty well" minus a little political backlash to the purists |
| 23:01.44 | poolio | muahaha. beset shall be closed source ;) |
| 23:01.51 | SuperTaz | so? |
| 23:01.59 | SuperTaz | the purists are great in theory |
| 23:02.18 | brlcad | more the poison aspects |
| 23:02.20 | SuperTaz | but you just see what happens if no one is paying for any software |
| 23:02.42 | SuperTaz | I love open source |
| 23:02.47 | SuperTaz | don't get me wrong |
| 23:02.58 | SuperTaz | I've contributed to several projects :) |
| 23:03.22 | SuperTaz | but...commercial interests drive a LOT of open source innovation |
| 23:03.51 | brlcad | it does, though commercial only tends to do so when it serves their financial goals in politically tactful ways |
| 23:04.14 | SuperTaz | sure |
| 23:04.40 | SuperTaz | but meeting customer demands (the users) is what makes sense for them financially (usually) |
| 23:04.52 | brlcad | still mostly moot for brl-cad -- the CAD industry is *already* a massive multi-billion dollar industry that takes utterly *massive* development capital just to get a basic functioning toolset |
| 23:05.44 | SuperTaz | yes, but brl-cad would probably have some decent market share if it had a more intuitive interface :) |
| 23:06.07 | brlcad | we're the farthest out there by a really long ways, with a funding source, and we're still way behind in many aspects -- entire massive domains we don't cater to (ECAD, MCAD, CADD, ..) well and features that one would expect outright of commercial (a reasonable gui) |
| 23:06.15 | SuperTaz | (sorry if I'm slow here...rebuilding my keyboard while we speak) |
| 23:06.29 | brlcad | yep, mged's interface is by far the biggest detriment to our progress at this point |
| 23:06.53 | SuperTaz | yes...it's be quite commercially viable with a solid interface |
| 23:07.00 | SuperTaz | it's, even :) |
| 23:07.17 | brlcad | that's why I'm looking to spark more development interest by getting talented students involved in making a new interfaces, new tools |
| 23:07.28 | SuperTaz | yeah, that'd be good |
| 23:07.32 | brlcad | open source community will follow once the gui is in place, just not readily beforehand |
| 23:07.35 | SuperTaz | are you in academia? |
| 23:07.58 | SuperTaz | yes...that's the thing...the open source community cares about gui for these things :) |
| 23:08.17 | brlcad | we have long ties to several big groups in academia, particularly computer graphics |
| 23:08.54 | SuperTaz | that's good |
| 23:09.06 | AchiestDragon | ok now back to only one graphics card in this machine , still got big bug with mged , is this documented with a workarround or do i need to file a bug report |
| 23:09.17 | SuperTaz | I could maybe get the depaul crowd interested...I'd have to figure out who to talk to, though |
| 23:09.46 | brlcad | UNC chapel hill, Hopkins, UUtah, Texas A&M, UDel, .. a lot of BRL-CAD's early design and development days were in tight collaboration with active research (and even today, there is some still going on) |
| 23:09.53 | SuperTaz | they're awfully microsoft oriented overall, but they have an okay HCI program, and this'd be up their alley |
| 23:09.54 | AchiestDragon | on a multihad display the frame buffer only works with the windows on one monitor |
| 23:10.52 | poolio | brlcad: anything from CMU? |
| 23:10.53 | brlcad | i would have *loved* to have known about BRL-CAD when I was taking computer graphics and other computer science courses in college |
| 23:11.02 | SuperTaz | okay... no delete key now, either :P |
| 23:11.14 | SuperTaz | I'd really better be careful what I type ;) |
| 23:12.21 | brlcad | poolio: yes actually |
| 23:12.44 | SuperTaz | I think that the problem here is less that the keyboard is dirty and more that kensington just didn't design it all that well |
| 23:12.48 | brlcad | iirc, he was a summer hire who later became a core developer for many years |
| 23:13.02 | poolio | brlcad: ah sweet |
| 23:13.22 | SuperTaz | hrmm...at least I have an enter key again ;) |
| 23:14.03 | brlcad | poolio: in that case, though, it was with the student, not with CMU faculty -- I don't think we have ties to anyone in their faculty bstaff right now |
| 23:15.00 | brlcad | the schools a listed were a subset of those where we actually worked with faculty too, on research or development |
| 23:15.36 | brlcad | there have certainly been other schools |
| 23:15.40 | poolio | ah cool |
| 23:15.56 | poolio | brlcad: are you trying to recruit people out of college now? |
| 23:16.22 | SuperTaz | it's the distinction between working with a student and a school |
| 23:16.36 | SuperTaz | brl...who do you actually work for? :) |
| 23:17.22 | brlcad | poolio: out of anywhere really, just need the passion, background, and interest ;) |
| 23:17.27 | AchiestDragon | ie like this shows http://www.achiestdragon.org/index.php?title=Image:Snap.jpg&oldid=610 it works on the righthand monitor only |
| 23:17.39 | poolio | brlcad: hehe yeah. |
| 23:24.06 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: heh, I think I noticed that a long while back too |
| 23:24.20 | brlcad | that's "probably" a Tk issue, but hard to say |
| 23:24.46 | AchiestDragon | maybe , i am using kde and it can be a bit odd sometimes on framebuffer issues |
| 23:25.08 | AchiestDragon | odd that its working on one monitor though |
| 23:25.25 | AchiestDragon | and all on the same card |
| 23:26.24 | AchiestDragon | think i am still going to have to reinstall linux as it does not seem ot have cleared the other issue |
| 23:26.38 | AchiestDragon | that may be part of the problem though |
| 23:33.35 | AchiestDragon | ho thats a point , on the gui , maybe it would be posible to write a qt4 frontends for the gui , you do know the new qt4 licence allows for gpl code to be compiled for all supported o/s's |
| 23:34.06 | AchiestDragon | so that should make it a bit easyer to do the crossplatform gui mods |
| 23:34.28 | AchiestDragon | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.31 | AchiestDragon | theres talk that most kde apps will get ported to windows when the qt4 port of kde is done |
| 23:36.53 | AchiestDragon | and mac . and a few other o/s's |
| 23:38.30 | brlcad | AchiestDragon: it's come up *lots* of times .. opens the whole qt vs gtk debate but certainly a viable approach nonetheless |
| 23:39.29 | brlcad | well aware of their licensing, though gpl is actually a downside imho -- sticking to bsd/mit/lgpl style code is generally more preferred |
| 23:40.03 | AchiestDragon | i started to learn qt3 but stopped as qt4 was dew and may as well wait for it rathe than having to relearn |
| 23:40.05 | brlcad | avoids integration and refactoring issues outright and generally keeps the purse-holders feeling a little more comfortable with themselves for some reason |
| 23:40.54 | SuperTaz | yeah, it was interesting doing linux kernel work at motorola |
| 23:42.08 | SuperTaz | we got it done, though...there was a balance we had to maintain between what was open source and what was closed |
| 23:42.16 | SuperTaz | it was interesting to say the least |
| 23:42.20 | yukonbob | AchiestDragon: your display issue sounds more like X than kde/gnome or a wm issue to me... depending on display properties, I've got apps that'll do that too (start mplayer on one screen and try to drag to other)... I'm using XOrg(6.x) witha MergedFB (versus Xinerama, for example) with no problems... |
| 23:43.42 | AchiestDragon | i think its an x issue also , as it basicaly apperears a bit odd with its own settings sometimes |
| 23:44.31 | AchiestDragon | now with the 2 card setup i had the same problem with xine only displaying video on the same monitor , but with 1 card it works fine on all |
| 23:44.51 | AchiestDragon | just mged seems to have the same problem still |
| 23:46.05 | AchiestDragon | i will reinstall , but not tonight , need to be in the right mood or will get ratty |
| 23:46.12 | yukonbob | :) |
| 23:48.01 | AchiestDragon | i have been putting it off , untill the next hdd upgrade , then can just do a fresh install and copy the files over after |
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