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| 13:44.02 | file | AHA! |
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| 15:09.05 | file | danjenkins, attack! |
| 15:09.28 | danjenkins | I have been rather quiet these past few days, you must be loving it file |
| 15:09.48 | file | I know you are secretly plotting |
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| 17:28.39 | Preatorian | Hey all |
| 17:30.42 | Preatorian | I have a problem with dahdi detecting a line hang-up, spended some hours on it + discussing with the guys in #asterisk, they suggest to try here due to the nature that perhaps it's not implemented or an error for not detecting it. |
| 17:32.00 | mjordan | Preatorian: you may have to describe what you're seeing in more depth; I didn't see the conversation in #asterisk (not that I can help you, but others in the channel may be able to with more info) |
| 17:32.17 | Preatorian | I'm typing, but want to keep it as simple as possible :) |
| 17:33.36 | Preatorian | Hardware > PSTN Line --- Digium(wctdm24xxp) with 2 FXO modules |
| 17:34.34 | Preatorian | Problem > External caller, dials in, the card rings and the caller decides to hang up after a while because nobody picks up. But it takes 8 seconds for the DAHDI controller to notice this. |
| 17:34.56 | mjordan | leedm777: as an aside, a post-review went up cleanly |
| 17:35.12 | leedm777 | \o/ |
| 17:35.35 | file | gold star! |
| 17:37.02 | sgriepentrog | Preatorian: do you know if your pots line provider sends you a CPC Disconnect? |
| 17:37.14 | Preatorian | I'm affraid not |
| 17:37.29 | datachomper | praetorian Yea it sounds like what you need is supervision |
| 17:37.33 | Preatorian | I've checked with dahdi-monitor and i'm getting the following (dont laugh lol). |
| 17:38.37 | Preatorian | *** Static noise ***** ###Ring###---clean line---$$modulated sound for CLIP info$$ --- clean line --- ###RING### ----clean line---- @Caller hangsup here *** Static noise ***** |
| 17:38.41 | sgriepentrog | Unfortunately, with pots, the only reliable way to know immediately that the line is if it is signalled. Otherwise, you're depending on your dialplan to timeout and hangup, or the TDM interface driver to notice the reorder tone. |
| 17:39.07 | Preatorian | Sounds stupid, but there is like a something is very clearly changing on the line |
| 17:39.11 | sgriepentrog | Ah. you mean prior to answer? |
| 17:39.26 | Preatorian | Yeah, he just hangs up without anyone picks up :) |
| 17:39.31 | Preatorian | But then dahdi keeps ringing |
| 17:39.58 | sgriepentrog | Okay. So 8 seconds is perfectly acceptable in that case. You need 6 seconds minimum to know that you're NOT going to get another ring. |
| 17:40.53 | Preatorian | Forgive me for something silly, but how come that when i plug a phone that is older then me (28 years young) on the line it stops immediatly (less then 2 seconds). |
| 17:40.54 | sgriepentrog | Rings are 2 seconds on, 4 seconds off, 6 seconds cycle. Waiting 8 seconds after last ring would be normal to indicate channel is no longer ringing. |
| 17:41.26 | sgriepentrog | The phone stops ringing yes, but the dahdi driver won't be sure that it can signal end of ringing until 8 seconds have passed of quiet (or at least no ring voltage). |
| 17:42.18 | Preatorian | What is notice thought in the dahdi-monitor capture is also like a polarity/modulation that seems to stop when a call is inbound. |
| 17:42.26 | Preatorian | When you play it, you can very clearly hear it. |
| 17:42.37 | sgriepentrog | So while unfortunate, the 8 seconds of ringing on dahdi channel past last ring voltage on pots line is unavoidable. You might be able to tweak the code and turn it down to 6, but that's about it. |
| 17:43.09 | file | there is no signal to say there will be no more ringing, the lack of expected ringing is what causes the hangup |
| 17:43.54 | sgriepentrog | If you have a polarity reversal, or better yet voltage drop, that can be a CPC disconnect. That's the only way to know immediately that it's dropped. |
| 17:44.26 | sgriepentrog | It's possible that the CO could be sending a CPC even without answer, but if memory serves that's not required. |
| 17:44.45 | Preatorian | sgriepentrog, i think that's the case, since i can defo see a very clear change in terms of sound, it reverts back to it's static noise on the RX channel. |
| 17:44.47 | sgriepentrog | And it might not be in the dahdi driver even if it was. |
| 17:45.00 | sgriepentrog | Are you in loop start or ground start? |
| 17:45.19 | Preatorian | Forgive me for asking, but what do you mean? |
| 17:45.21 | sgriepentrog | You shouldn't get noise. |
| 17:45.56 | mjordan | leedm777: Automagic update! |
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| 17:46.08 | Preatorian | I start dahdi-monitor just before i make the call, and end it when i'm done and all is back to normal. |
| 17:46.12 | leedm777 | Magic! |
| 17:46.16 | sgriepentrog | Different ways of electrically signalling the line. I wouldn't expect to see noise on the line. But ground start would mean you'd be seeing other issues. |
| 17:46.36 | Preatorian | When i play that recording in audacity, i can see in the beginning and on the end, like a constant static noise on the line. |
| 17:46.45 | Preatorian | During the actual call, it's completely gone and deadsilent. |
| 17:46.55 | Preatorian | and you just hear the ringing etc. |
| 17:47.06 | sgriepentrog | Are you familiar with the c code for dahdi? It's possible you could trace the issue and come up with a patch that supports your case. |
| 17:48.20 | Preatorian | I'm affraid not, i'm just wondering if this is something i am missing or this is perfectly normal behavior and you cannot monitor/check on it. |
| 17:48.23 | sgriepentrog | If not can you get a scope and document the line voltage you're seeing for somebody els eto fix it? |
| 17:48.50 | Preatorian | I can send you however the .raw file that dahdi captures to let you see what i mean |
| 17:49.00 | Preatorian | or .wav if you prefer |
| 17:49.57 | sgriepentrog | Unfortunatley, I'm not personally familiar with the dahdi code enough to help you. And the wav likely won't translate to the signal levels well enough to be sure of a solution. |
| 17:50.33 | Preatorian | Is it possible to capture it in detail enough for you (or a developer) with dahdi-monitor? |
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| 17:51.33 | sgriepentrog | So: initially I can say you're seeing correct behavior - but you might be able to record enough data about your situation to get a fix for it, but I would do it with a scope to insure you have actual voltage levels. |
| 17:52.26 | mjordan | I love the smell of fresh automated documentation generation in the morning. Smells like victory. |
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| 17:52.58 | Preatorian | I'm affraid i do not have such equipment at the office nor home, at least not those that can make such report that you're probably looking for :(. |
| 17:54.25 | sgriepentrog | And I'm afraid I don't have the answer for you on whether dahdi-monitor records voltage details. It's been about 6 years since I used that and it was called zaptel back then. Don't give up though. You'll need to befriend somebody who knows Dahdi to make progress on this. |
| 17:54.44 | datachomper | Preatorian: have you tried calling digium tech support? |
| 17:54.45 | mjordan | Preatorian: you have a Digium card based on your description. Have you called support? |
| 17:54.50 | datachomper | hahaha |
| 17:54.56 | mjordan | jinx! |
| 17:55.11 | sgriepentrog | I should have though of that too ;-) |
| 17:55.21 | mjordan | they can at least help you with the troubleshooting |
| 17:55.25 | Preatorian | They said, "Did you tried turning it off and on again", i felt it-crowded. |
| 17:56.00 | datachomper | Preatorian: is your case still open? |
| 17:57.11 | Preatorian | datachomper, sorry i did not called digium support, since i dont have service contract (i assume you need one for that O.o). |
| 17:57.49 | Preatorian | At least, i'm used for always having SLA/Support contracts for the products i have. |
| 17:58.38 | Preatorian | Besides, i first did a fair amount of googling/configuration checking to make sure i didn't made a rtfm mistake. |
| 17:58.38 | datachomper | now i'm confused by the "it-crowded" comment |
| 17:58.55 | Preatorian | Sorry, old irc joke :) |
| 17:59.21 | Preatorian | Watch the serie IT-Crowd and you will understand. |
| 18:02.12 | Preatorian | but for clarification, i should file a support ticket @Digium support with this first? to make sure the card detects it correctly am i right? |
| 18:04.21 | newtonr | Preatorian, installation support and "is it working as expected?" support is included with Digium's cards as long as they are not really old End of Life'd models. |
| 18:04.55 | Preatorian | I love their music on the line lol |
| 18:04.58 | Preatorian | calming :P |
| 18:10.02 | mjordan | leedm777: we need an XML markup for code examples. https://wiki.asterisk.org/wiki/display/AST/Asterisk+12+Function_PJSIP_HEADER would look a lot prettier. |
| 18:10.17 | mjordan | goes back to what he should be working on |
| 18:10.46 | file | mjordan, aren't you just our mascot? |
| 18:16.14 | Preatorian | Guys, perhaps silly question, but is it normal to stay on-hold for 15 minutes for the UK support since they dont specifiy business/working hours D: |
| 18:17.20 | mjordan | file: probably. |
| 18:17.35 | mjordan | file: can I wear a panda suit? |
| 18:17.41 | file | mjordan, yes. |
| 18:17.57 | mjordan | I'm in |
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| 18:30.55 | newtonr | Preatorian, our support guys are in the US. Typically wait times are under a minute from what I've heard. It just depends on call volume of course. |
| 18:33.53 | Preatorian | i called UK |
| 18:33.55 | Preatorian | :P |
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| 18:59.37 | Jamuel | Hi. I was wondering if anyone had any background as to why app_originate doesn't support things like CallerID and channel variables like its cousin AMI Originate does? |
| 19:01.09 | mjordan | Jamuel: why does the dialplan application need it? |
| 19:01.41 | mjordan | and better: how would you even specify such things in a sane fashion as dialplan arguments? |
| 19:02.13 | Jamuel | for me we wanted a really fast way (i.e. not shelling out to AMI) to send announcements via ChanSpy to individual channels |
| 19:03.00 | Jamuel | I wrote a patch and just extended the args to optionally allow for setting CNUM, CNAM, and then comma-delimited chan-vars (enclosed in quotes) |
| 19:04.04 | mjordan | why not Originate to a dialplan extension that does that? |
| 19:04.16 | jsmith | Jamuel: You should be able set the outbound CallerID and channel variables (perhaps with _ inheritance) before calling app_originate |
| 19:04.27 | mjordan | or what jsmith suggested |
| 19:04.29 | Jamuel | because I couldn't see how to get channel variables set on that channel |
| 19:04.30 | jsmith | Set(CALLERID(num)=5551212) |
| 19:04.42 | mjordan | Jamuel: channel variable inheritance does that automagically :-) |
| 19:04.43 | Jamuel | I tried the underscores and they were ignored |
| 19:04.46 | jsmith | Originate(blah,blah,blah) |
| 19:05.02 | Jamuel | yeah—that's what I imagined should work |
| 19:05.35 | Jamuel | but looking at app_originate I see the call to ast_pbx_outgoing_app set all those params to NULL |
| 19:05.52 | Jamuel | or ast_pbx_outgoing_exten |
| 19:06.04 | mjordan | ah, that's right. Inheritance doesn't apply to Originate. |
| 19:06.17 | mjordan | Either way, I still wouldn't modify the dialplan application. |
| 19:06.52 | mjordan | I'd either add a pre-dial gosub to the Originate application, or I'd just Originate to an extension and set the information there using SHARED variables or something similar |
| 19:07.00 | mjordan | The second doesn't require any code modifications |
| 19:07.11 | Jamuel | so that was the question: a.) background on why no inheritance on Originate and b.) why it might be bad to modify the dialplan app |
| 19:07.36 | mjordan | What happens when I want to set CDR information on the channel? |
| 19:07.45 | mjordan | Or when I want to set some other random piece of metadata? |
| 19:07.49 | mjordan | It's a never ending problem. |
| 19:08.11 | mjordan | Pre-dial handlers are the appropriate way to take care of that - as soon as the channel is created, a GoSub is called and you can set whatever you want on the channel |
| 19:08.26 | mjordan | but again, because this is Originate, it's not a very useful solution. You can simply Originate directly to the dialplan and take care of it there. |
| 19:08.44 | Jamuel | but predial handlers aren't supported in 1.8, right? |
| 19:08.53 | mjordan | nope, but neither is what you're describing |
| 19:10.40 | mjordan | and history for inheritance: http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users/2011-April/261217.html |
| 19:10.48 | Jamuel | sure—but I wrote my patch—not that I expected it to be accepted in 1.8 but whether or not there would be a tear in the fabric of space-time if I did it because it seemed too obvious an oversight for it to have been omitted otherwise |
| 19:11.54 | mjordan | If it gets the job done for you that's fine, but as I said, you can do this in the dialplan already. |
| 19:12.01 | Jamuel | thanks for that link—apparently your Google is better than mine :) |
| 19:12.07 | Jamuel | (or memory) |
| 19:12.16 | mjordan | It jogged something :-) |
| 19:12.26 | Jamuel | cool—thanks for the insight—and your time! |
| 19:14.52 | mjordan | no problem! In general, we're trying hard to keep dialplan applications from turning into Dial |
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| 19:15.07 | mjordan | so if there's ways to do it in the dialplan without passing things as arguments to the application, we try to find that way |
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