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00:11.39Corydon76-lapseanbright: I fixed app_rpt at one time, only to have jdixon revert all of my fixes in his next commit.
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00:11.47seanbrightCorydon76-lap: ah
00:11.54seanbrightCorydon76-lap: that's no good.
00:12.22Corydon76-lapHe's not very much a collaborator, it seems.
00:12.44Qwellhe doesn't really grasp the concept of version control very well either..
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00:14.23_Lya_has anyone tried to use asterisk to develop a usability interface for the blind?
00:14.39Corydon76-lapQwell: Yeah, I got the impression that he copied his file into the directory and committed it when he was done with his own changes
00:15.45Corydon76-lap_Lya_: not to my knowledge, but that's kind of like asking if anybody has developed applications for the blind on Windows
00:16.03Corydon76-lapAsterisk is a _platform_
00:16.49Corydon76-lapThere's nothing implicit about most phone applications that would exclude the blind, anyway
00:16.53_Lya_Corydon76-lap: Right, but you can point to applications on windows for the blind. ;-)
00:17.19Corydon76-lapThe deaf are a different story, and there are most definitely compatibility apps for the deaf
00:17.30Corydon76-lap_Lya_: No, I can't.
00:17.45Corydon76-lapI don't know of a single application for Windows for the blind
00:17.55Corydon76-lapbut I'm sure there are some
00:18.54_Lya_touche.. it seems like it would be a good framework for a browser.
00:19.16Corydon76-lapAsterisk isn't a browser
00:19.32_Lya_no, but you could use the platform to create one
00:19.42seanbrightreally?
00:19.42_Lya_no?
00:19.51Corydon76-lapThat seems like a stretch
00:21.28_Lya_is it bad for navigational controls or something?
00:21.51seanbrightum
00:21.55Corydon76-lapYou have 12 keys.  You tell me.
00:22.07seanbrightasterisk is a telephony platform
00:22.12_Lya_I think you might be thinking web browser..
00:22.51Corydon76-lapYes, that's precisely what I was thinking
00:23.02_Lya_I'm thinking a slightly more intense than normal tree browser
00:23.04Corydon76-lapWere you thinking of IVR menus when you said browser?
00:23.13Corydon76-lapAsterisk can do IVR menus fine
00:23.20_Lya_well, butons to speed up and slow down sound
00:23.24_Lya_skiping across links
00:23.31_Lya_think like reading through a book
00:23.33Corydon76-laplinks?
00:24.17_Lya_table of contents.. you could jump up to browse chapters and then jump back to the chapter.
00:24.38Corydon76-lapI suppose you could
00:24.55Corydon76-lapI don't see any reason why not
00:24.56_Lya_voting machine interface..
00:25.04_Lya_atm interface..
00:25.15_Lya_grocery store checkout interface..
00:25.16Corydon76-lapPersonally, I think holding a phone up to your ear for hours would be tedious, but that's just me
00:25.59_Lya_of course
00:26.09seanbrightthat is what speaker phone is for
00:26.10seanbrightduh!
00:27.49_Lya_there are definitely proprietary systems that do it, it'd be neat to have an embedded app that works off dumb phone terminal hardware.
00:30.24_Lya_are there any potential problems using it like this?
00:30.33Corydon76-lapNope
00:30.45Corydon76-lapI'd recommend that you learn how to use func_odbc, though
00:30.54_Lya_k
00:31.18Corydon76-lapPull stuff out of a database, basically
00:31.49_Lya_i'm familiar with ODBC..
00:31.52_Lya_how is the Java API?
00:32.02Corydon76-lapNo idea
00:32.16Corydon76-lapI tend to write stuff directly in the dialplan
00:32.55seanbrightthere is no built-in java api
00:33.06seanbrightjust third party solutions that integrate with AGI/AIM
00:33.09seanbrights/AIM/AMI/
00:33.23Corydon76-lapYou may want a custom playback app that will remember its place when playback is interrupted, though
00:33.36_Lya_http://asterisk-java.org/ ?
00:33.56Corydon76-lapNot everybody is a Java programmer, you know
00:34.06_Lya_I'm aware.
00:34.10Corydon76-lapSome of us write in C.
00:34.15_Lya_I actually loathe it...
00:34.27Corydon76-lapThen don't use it
00:34.32seanbrightwell long story short, there are 100 ways to integrate with asterisk
00:34.39seanbrightpick your poison
00:34.43_Lya_k
00:34.57Corydon76-lapIn the meantime, I'm going home
00:35.03_Lya_good day
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00:35.09_Lya_thanks for answering the questions
00:37.22_Lya_seanbright: is there a best way?
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00:47.40seanbright_Lya_: best way for what?
00:47.58_Lya_integration, assuming what I want to do with it.
00:48.02seanbrightah
00:48.16seanbrighti use nAsterisk
00:48.24seanbrightwhich is a FastAGI service written in C#
00:48.37_Lya_k
00:48.39seanbrighti don't use anything to monitor AMI
00:49.07seanbrightyou're likely to get 1000 ideas from 1000 people
00:49.24_Lya_i'm sure
00:51.08_Lya_you can detect phone pickup w/ FastAGI?
00:51.21_Lya_I guess I should read up on that as opposed to asking questions about it
00:52.20snuff-workif u want to know when someone just picks up a phone.. only possible for FXO / FXS ports..
00:52.45snuff-workif u mean answer.. course its possible with any
00:53.12_Lya_k
00:53.13seanbright_Lya_: yead, reading and playing around are the best way to learn
00:53.20seanbrightyead?  i meant 'yeah'
00:54.25snuff-workseanbright: i managed to make res_jabber compile as ao2..
00:54.32seanbrightsnuff-work: niiiiice
00:54.58snuff-workwhen i actually goto test it.. i'm sure it will fall over badly but compilation is a good start
00:55.06seanbrightyeah
00:55.09seanbrighttesting is the tough part
00:55.29snuff-workconsidering i've never used the jabber part of * :)
00:55.58seanbrightright.
00:56.18_Lya_One last question, is there any support for like a phone-to-usb or do you need a PCI card?
00:56.23snuff-workso ur shadow stuff might be able to get through jabber in the next weeks
00:56.45snuff-workuhm months i mean.. weeks would be my ideal world
00:57.35seanbright_Lya_: #asterisk might be a better place to ask that question
00:58.57_Lya_k
01:00.00seanbrightok, i have to go back to the office now :-/
01:00.07seanbrightkthxbye
01:00.43_Lya_thanks for the help, i'm also leaving but I will (probably) be back eventually.
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06:47.45slavon_nethello all
06:49.22slavon_neti use dynamic member with local channels in queues... if i have 2 dynamic queue member and 5 calls in queue first free member get second call in queue! why?
06:51.09slavon_netAlso asterisk can't get status of member if it's "Local/xxx@agents"
06:52.20slavon_netand have messages in log: app_queue.c:2271 wait_for_answer: Dunno what to do with control type -1
06:55.47snuff-workslavon_net: if you believe its a bug.. post it on the tracker
07:02.10snuff-workslavon_net: did u test the latest patch in 13409
07:02.11snuff-work?
07:06.30slavon_netno... i rollback to worked version .... i may update in morning time if * not have huge load....
07:06.45slavon_nethow i have above 200 calls in *
07:07.35slavon_neti try tomorow if its not do anyone
07:08.20slavon_netoh :) now i have above 200 calls in asterisk
07:22.59snuff-workwell watch 13409 then for status updates..
07:23.13snuff-worki will close urs since it is exactly the same
07:23.23snuff-workcdr struct getting trashed
07:24.45slavon_netokey... thanks
08:25.35tzafrir_laptopanybody getting build warnings with zaptel 1.4.12 on ubuntu hardy (8.04) 2.6.24-19 kernel?
08:39.42oejMorning folks
08:52.17mvanbaakmornin all
08:52.27mvanbaaktzafrir_laptop: I did not try to compile it on ubuntu yet
08:53.08mvanbaaktzafrir_laptop: and I dont know if I will now that we have dahdi
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10:35.47r0bisMay I ask how to troubleshoot <asterisk hangs up, channels closed, telco side does not hang up for 30+ secs; result mobile I called my asterisk box from keeps line open (T-mobile for 25 sec, Vodafone indefinitely)>. This appears a rare problem, I have sought help elsewhere, but now it seems I need to understand how * performs hangup(). Many thanks
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11:22.49tzafrir_laptopthe log file for the above: http://paste.debian.net/16780/
11:23.39tzafrir_laptopI don't file it as a bug, as I can't yet reproduce it myself (need to set up such a system) and this specific build was with some patches (that I believe are irrelevant)
11:26.12tzafrir_laptopkernel/wcfxo.c:1025: warning: passing argument 3 of ?pci_free_consistent? discards qualifiers from pointer target type
11:28.42putnopvutgood morning everyone
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11:46.47putnopvutlmadsen: you are a flaky pie crust
11:47.00lmadsenputnopvut: and delicious at that!
11:47.12putnopvutI'll take your word on that one.
11:47.15lmadsenwhat the heck are you doing up so freakishly early?
11:47.24lmadsenputnopvut: hey, that's what she said
11:47.29putnopvutright
11:47.53putnopvutHey, any idea why 10690 is assigned to Damin?
11:48.01putnopvutDid he volunteer to test?
11:49.58lmadsenM10690
11:50.01MuffinMan[ready for testing] [Asterisk] Channels/chan_sip/General 0010690: sip peer with missing close bracket causes all subsequent sip peers not to load reported by dtyoo (Karma: +10.50) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=10690
11:50.11lmadsenputnopvut: I would imagine so...
11:50.15lmadsenDamin: yo!
11:50.19lmadsen(he won't be up)
11:50.37lmadsenwell, maybe he will be, I can't remember if he is an early riser or not
11:50.55putnopvutHis IRC status says he's away.
11:50.58lmadsenI certainly am not, but up early because I have a system cut over at 0830
11:51.12putnopvutneat.
11:54.52lmadsenand you never did answer why you are up so early...
11:54.56lmadsenit's not even 8am there
11:55.01lmadsenerrr... not even 7am
11:56.10lmadsenaha -- the email explains it all
11:56.20lmadsenputnopvut: I hate those nights... but I wonder how productive you've been :)
11:56.37putnopvutlmadsen: I'll know in hindsight, I suppose :)
11:56.43lmadsenlol
11:56.46lmadsenfair enough
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12:27.25snuff-homeputnopvut: did u sleep? all i seen was commits for the last 5 hrs ;)
12:27.38putnopvutsnuff-home: as a matter of fact, no :)
12:27.51snuff-homeexplains it :D
12:27.54russellbputnopvut: be careful driving home when you get around to it ...
12:28.00russellbputnopvut: let me know if you need a ride, heh
12:28.22putnopvutrussellb: thanks for the offer. I'll probably be fine though.
12:28.27russellbk
12:32.43snuff-homeso quick svn question.. i have 1 line patch (doco one)
12:32.56russellbok
12:33.16snuff-homedo i just svn commit on the file in my trunk ?
12:33.26russellbYes.  just commit to trunk
12:33.34russellband then merge/block on 1.6.0/1.6.1
12:33.47russellbusing mergetrunk6 or blocktrunk6
12:35.26snuff-homeooh.. i got cool svn rev number ;)
12:35.42putnopvutBy the way, if you guys want some metal hardware or Chinese calligraphy, I know just who to talk to.
12:35.55russellborly.
12:36.01russellbM13115
12:36.04MuffinMan[assigned] [Asterisk] Channels/chan_sip/General 0013115: could NOT get the channel lock reported by pj (Karma: +6.50) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=13115
12:36.06russellbreopened :(
12:36.08putnopvutrussellb: check the -biz list
12:36.13putnopvutrussellb: lame :(
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12:36.54dandreHello,
12:36.54dandreI wonder to know what UniqId is used for in the manager interface?
12:36.55dandreIs it a message ID or a call ID?
12:36.55russellbputnopvut: 2 reports of "this fixed it" and one with "still happens ... sometimes"
12:36.57putnopvutrussellb: apparently only PJ is having the problem now though. The others have claimed that the problem has stopped.
12:37.03putnopvutjinx
12:37.04russellbdandre: #asterisk, please
12:37.45dandreok sorry.
12:38.03dandreI am modifying astmanproxy though
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12:39.04r0biscould anyone suggest what this line means?
12:39.05r0bisast_expr2.fl: ast_yyerror():  syntax error: syntax error, unexpected '=', expecting $end; Input: = 1^
12:39.06russellbdandre: uniqueid is a core concept of asterisk ...
12:39.16snuff-homeok.. i've comitted.. but i try blocktrunk6 1st time with no rev num (oops) and i try again and get svnmerge: no integration info available
12:39.23russellbr0bis: means you have an invalid expression in your dialplan ... please try #asterisk
12:39.37russellbsnuff-home: you run those scripts from 1.6.0 or 1.6.1
12:39.40r0bismany thanks, sorry
12:39.41putnopvutsnuff-home: cd to the 1.6.x branch and then run the script.
12:39.43snuff-homeah
12:39.45snuff-homesilly me
12:45.36snuff-homeruss doesn't the 1.6 have issue with murf patch? cdr bugs issue.. 2 ppl reporting problems with queues n locals..
12:45.58putnopvutsnuff-home: what are the bug numbers?
12:46.11snuff-homeM13409
12:46.14MuffinMan[feedback] [Asterisk] Core/Channels 0013409: [patch] Huge memory leak because memory of channel cdr struct is never returned reported by tomaso (Karma: +8.00) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=13409
12:47.15snuff-homeslavon reported same crash as last guy in bug.. but he hadn't had time to try murfs latest patch
12:49.31putnopvutoh, so it's a crash now...
12:50.17snuff-homemm
12:50.40russellb>_<
13:00.56snuff-homemm at least 2 ppl were happy with ur ast_waitfor() patchness :)
13:01.16lmadsenw00t
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13:15.32russellbyeah, it's progress :)
13:15.38russellbthanks to file for that one, though
13:15.56russellbhe was all like "zomg, look at this code right here!"
13:16.08russellband I said "yes, you are right!  want me to do the fixing?"  and he said "yessssssss"
13:16.30fileI find stuff sometimes
13:16.33fileit is CrAzY
13:18.16russellbfile: i want to work on bugs :(
13:18.22putnopvutThen do it!
13:18.29filerussellb: :(
13:18.41russellbputnopvut: can't!
13:18.46putnopvut:(
13:18.53russellbwell, did a bit last night
13:18.58russellband worked on that CDR thing just now :)
13:19.07mcargilehow can I tell via the AMI if 1.4 was built with dahdi or zaptel?
13:19.08russellbgot a lil' taste ... it's like crack!
13:19.19russellbmcargile: good question, I don't think there is a way
13:19.23filerussellb: addict!
13:19.26mcargilethats a problem
13:19.31russellbmcargile: if it's build with zaptel, you will only have zaptel actions
13:19.38russellbmcargile: if you built with dahdi, you'll have both dahdi and zaptel actions
13:19.44mcargileok
13:19.46russellbso, i guess that's how you could tell ...
13:19.56mcargileokay
13:21.28mcargileif it was built with dahdi do the zaptel commands effect the TDM interface still?
13:21.44mcargileor do I have to use dahdi?
13:22.01putnopvutzaptel and dahdi are interchangeable with AMI in 1.4
13:22.06mcargileok
13:22.07mcargilethanks
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13:23.54russellbthis is probably documented in UPGRADE.txt and Zaptel-to-DAHDI.txt :)
13:24.01russellband/or
13:24.05snuff-homelooking @ 300 * only bugs reminds me not so long ago of reaching just under 260 for * only ones
13:27.28mcargilerussellb: thanks I did not see that there was a separate Zaptel-to-DAHDI.txt for 1.4
13:27.43russellbnp :)
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13:34.04tzafrir_laptopmcargile, dahdi or zaptel at the kernel? or chan_zap vs. chan_dahdi?
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13:57.30snuff-homejust another bug to mention.. ldap config.. reporter says we are missing the res_config_ldap.conf.sample change from his bug report
13:57.40snuff-homeM12860
13:57.44MuffinMan[assigned] [Asterisk] Resources/res_config_ldap 0012860: [patch] Included example schema not compatible with res_config_ldap.c reported by flyn (Karma: +0.50) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=12860
13:58.52snuff-homezzz time
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14:22.31codefreeze-laprussellb: I like your fix, but... I'm worried about NoCDR
14:23.14codefreeze-lapmaybe unnecessarily
14:23.21codefreeze-laplooking
14:23.31russellbk!
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16:21.10QwellCorydon76-dig: what's up with the random assigning of that bug to Damin ?
16:22.27putnopvutheh, I asked that earlier. That came out of left field.
16:25.10Corydon76-digEh?
16:25.14Corydon76-digWhat bug?
16:25.28Qwell10690
16:25.38Qwell2008-09-08 19:34 Corydon76      Assigned To               => damin
16:26.21Corydon76-digUm, that would be a Mantis bug.  I assigned it to myself.
16:26.47seanbrighta likely story...
16:28.39Corydon76-digNot the first time that has happened, either
16:28.57putnopvutIs it the fourth time that's happened?
16:28.58Corydon76-digAlthough I caught it myself, before
16:29.11seanbrightM13448
16:29.13MuffinMan[new] [Asterisk] Applications/app_queue 0013448: Queues with Dynamic members like "Local/" can't get status of member and sometime get second call from queue reported by slavon (Karma: +10.00) http://bugs.digium.com/view.php?id=13448
16:29.18seanbrightthat's just a limitation in 1.4, right?
16:29.42seanbright1.6.0 has the state interface concept
16:30.11putnopvutseanbright: that's correct. I was tempted to just close that, but I can't tell if there's something further to his problem.
16:30.31putnopvutHe does the GROUP_COUNT stuff int he dialplan to prevent members from getting called even though their device state is "not in use"
16:30.55putnopvutBut 1.6 definitely solves his problem with the state_interface stizzuff.
16:31.24seanbrightwell the group count will not handle the device statee
16:31.44putnopvutNo, but it will prevent the call from actually being delivered.
16:31.55seanbrightright, and he's saying sometimes they get more than 1 call
16:31.59seanbrighthrmm.
16:32.27seanbrighthe never calls GROUP
16:32.29putnopvutI was thinking there was some OUTBOUND_GROUP_ONCE variable that needed to be used. I can't remember what it does or why it's needed though.
16:32.59seanbrightdoesn't he need to call GROUP() inside his if statement?
16:33.03seanbrightor am i retarded?
16:33.49seanbrightyeah, he does.
16:33.53seanbrightthat's his problem.
16:34.38seanbrightSet(GROUP(agents)=${EXTEN});
16:34.42seanbrightor something like that.
16:35.14seanbrightohhhhhh
16:35.21seanbrighti am retarded.
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16:35.22seanbrightmoving on.
16:37.49seanbrightcould be a race, no?
16:38.09seanbrightbetween the GROUP_COUNT check and the Dial()?
16:38.49seanbrightwas it something i said?
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17:18.25putnopvutseanbright: heh, sorry, I got caught up with something else.
17:18.30seanbrightno sweat.
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17:33.34mvanbaakhhmm, this talk about channelid in logging is interesting
17:34.30Corydon76-diglogging the thread ID in the CDR may actually be an easier way to go, since the thread ID is already a part of every log message
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18:20.33Qwell"If you have any DAHDI hardware it is now recommended you edit /etc/dahdi/modules in order to oad support for only the DAHDI hardware installed in this system."
18:20.40Qwell"oad"  should that be "add" or "load"?
18:21.10putnopvutI think "load"
18:21.58tzafrir_laptopwhile we're at it, what about the dahdi.init ?
18:22.15Qwelltzafrir_laptop: what about it?
18:22.20Corydon76-digrussellb: when would the thread ID change for a channel?
18:22.30tzafrir_laptopcurrent one can get stuck in a loop if you don't happen to have any module on your system
18:22.34Qwelloh
18:22.44russellbCorydon76-dig: masquerade
18:22.54tzafrir_laptopSee the one in http://tzafrir.org.il/~tzafrir/
18:23.11russellba transfer, a redirect ...
18:23.20Corydon76-digAh
18:24.33Corydon76-digBut should a CDR be posted for each segment of the call in that case?
18:25.00Corydon76-digbecause doesn't the uniqueid also change?
18:26.02russellbi am not very familiar at all with CDRs
18:26.11russellbso, maybe?  :)
18:26.34Corydon76-digIf so, thread ID could still be a logical link there
18:26.53Corydon76-digpokes codefreeze-lap
18:27.44codefreeze-lapCorydon76-dig: I'm watching your musings. The LinkedID field could serve as a "thread" id.
18:28.46Corydon76-digcodefreeze-lap: so does a CDR get posted following a masquerade?
18:29.00codefreeze-lapI intended it to be propagated across bridges and other interactions between channels.
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18:29.22Corydon76-digWhat about conferences?
18:29.25codefreeze-lapNo, cdrs are/were posted at various points during processing
18:30.03codefreeze-lapI tried to make the end of a bridge a common point where cdrs would get posted
18:30.41Corydon76-digand a masquerade would be the end of a bridge?
18:31.03codefreeze-lapno, masquerades commonly happen in the middle of a bridge
18:31.03russellbmasquerade happens before the end of a bridge, but if a masq occurs, the bridge will end shortly after
18:31.42codefreeze-lapThe bridge code is interesting, in that the two channels you start with, may not be the same when you finish
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18:36.20Corydon76-digAnyway, just thinking of a way not to have to go into a invasive change in the logging infrastructure
18:36.32codefreeze-lapAlso, CDR's don't record enough. They have a src/dest concept, but that's not enough. They need to record the channel that placed the call, and the two channels that conversed. In a simple conv, the chan that dialed the call was the first half of who conversed, but in a xfer situation, A might dial, but B and C are the ones who talked.
18:36.55Corydon76-digCDR infrastructure already has nearly enough and adding the threadid would be a very small change
18:38.00Corydon76-digWell, and the changes I made for adaptive CDRs means we wouldn't necessarily need to change any APIs in the core
18:38.34JunK-Y[root@Neptune ~]# echo "foo" | mail cpatry@gmail.com
18:38.34JunK-Y-bash: /bin/mail: Cannot allocate memory
18:38.36JunK-Yits bad!
18:38.38JunK-Yheheh
18:38.52Corydon76-digJunK-Y: virtual server?
18:39.00JunK-Ynah, that's the problem
18:39.25tzafrir_laptoprussellb, hmm... I wasn't paying attention to the commit logs, aparantly
18:39.35Corydon76-digI've only ever seen that error on a virtual server with no swap
18:39.51tzafrir_laptopany chance to somehow get http://svn.digium.com/view/zaptel?view=rev&rev=4531 into zaptel 1.4.12.1 ?
18:40.38russellbtzafrir_laptop: hmmm, i don't know ... it might require a bribe
18:40.39russellb:)
18:40.48codefreeze-lapAlso, CDR's don't really record for the reasons/events; like if we generated PARK/ MOH/ HOLD/ CONFERENCE type events; I guess these could be encoded in the accountcode field or something, but we could make it so much more formal.
18:41.02Corydon76-digrussellb: like Israeli chocolate?
18:41.10russellbCorydon76-dig: nice idea :)
18:41.18tzafrir_laptopWill be sent to Astricon :-)
18:41.24russellbyay!
18:41.28russellbthen yes, i will do it now :-p
18:41.43Corydon76-digNo idea if Israeli chocolate is anything special, the way Swiss chocolate is...
18:41.43Qwellhey, no fair.  putnopvut, Deeewayne, and I have to sign the release. :P
18:41.47Qwellcoughs
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18:42.31tzafrir_laptopBTW: http://svn.digium.com/view/zaptel?view=rev&rev=4534 only fixes typos
18:43.06tzafrir_laptopin docs
18:43.10russellbk
18:44.31Qwelltzafrir_laptop: that Israeli chocolate was pretty awesome btw
18:44.48Qwellthe stuff we get here really sucks in comparison to over there
18:45.04Juggieits hard to get really good chocolate
18:45.19kpflemingnot in belgium
18:45.24russellbheh
18:45.30QwellBelgium != here :D
18:45.33kpflemingor germany, or france
18:45.35Juggiewell, ok its hard to get really good chocolate here
18:45.40Juggiehere being north america
18:45.41Qwellpretty much everywhere outside of North America..
18:45.57russellbI bet it's hard to get chocolate in Antarctica
18:46.06Juggieor iceland
18:46.07Qwellthat is probably true
18:46.41russellbor sealand
18:46.47Qwellor ISS
18:47.03Qwellactually, I bet ISS gets a good amount of chocolate
18:47.06codefreeze-lapFrom what I hear, iceland is quite the high-pay financial zone these days. I bet the chocolate flows there right now...
18:47.16putnopvutDoes mantis support html tags like <strong> or <em> or anything like that?
18:47.42seanbrightdoubt it
18:47.55putnopvutI know it supports <pre> but I don't know what else it supports.
18:48.01Qwell<blink>
18:48.02seanbrightoh yeah?  didn't know that.
18:48.06seanbright<marquee>
18:48.09russellb<marquee>
18:48.12russellbseanbright: damnit
18:48.23Qwell(Did you see the Esquire E-ink cover that brought the <blink> tag to IRL?)
18:48.23seanbrighthooray
18:48.30seanbrighti beat you for once
18:48.36russellb:)
18:48.52seanbrightthat was an IE only tag i think
18:48.54codefreeze-laphah, progress on the memory leak issues!
18:49.00filegives Qwell a taco
18:49.03Qwelleats it
18:49.38JuggieQwell, you forgot to add hot sauce
18:50.03seanbrighthe has ulcers
18:50.26Qwellbecause of hot sauce, no doubt
18:50.32Juggiehot sauce is key
18:50.33Juggiegotta have it
18:50.42Qwellbut, coming from file, I can only assume it was already poisoned
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18:54.21codefreeze-lapfile: see 13409; there's a sip trace there. There are hung channels in tx: INVITE state, and I'm seeing that in falves11's server, also... thought it was just part of the normal activity of incoming/outgoing, but they are building up slowly. looks like all with the same IP again....
18:56.04Qwellseanbright: isn't there an alternative save key in nmenuselect?
18:56.12filecodefreeze-lap: is there a SIP history?
18:56.16putnopvutif there is, it needs to be displayed at the bottom.
18:56.18QwellNugget is yelling on the list about not being able to hit F12 :p
18:56.50Juggiemost ssh clients are terrible about passing function keys
18:56.59seanbrightQwell: there is not, no.
18:57.07Qwelloh
18:57.20Qwellcan we add curses-compat keys?
18:57.20codefreeze-lapfile: he's attached a sip trace from "sip set debug" on the bug.
18:58.22filefrom the wrong channel I suspect...
18:58.41filecause that is an incoming call, and what you said about is from an outgoing call
18:59.09caio1982Qwell: i'm not even able to hit Esc on it ;)
18:59.18Qwellcaio1982: get a real OS :P
18:59.26caio1982damn mandriva!
19:01.08Juggiei'll try i suppose
19:01.23codefreeze-lapfile: OK, might be a false trail. I'll analyze the channel list in falves' server. There sure are a lot of channels in INVITE state, tho. I'll see if they stay that way or disappear.
19:01.43filea sip history will show you what chan_sip is internally doing with 'em
19:11.46seanbrightQwell: sure
19:14.01seanbrightQwell: why can't he hit f12?
19:14.06Qwellterm issues
19:14.11seanbrightjeebus.
19:14.17Juggiehmmmm
19:14.18seanbrightbut newt still works?
19:14.20Qwellhe uses OS X :p
19:14.26Qwellhe's SSHing to his Linux box
19:14.43seanbrightfn-f12
19:14.46seanbrightdone and done
19:14.56Qwellreally?
19:15.06seanbrightthat worked on my old macbook
19:15.21seanbrightturns magical f12 into literal f12
19:15.31Juggiehmmmm... i cant even get menuselect to build for some reason
19:15.31seanbrightand by magical i mean expose or whatever it's called
19:15.43Juggieits claming i have no newt or ncurses yet i have both w/ -devel for both.
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19:16.14seanbrightJuggie: submit a bug on mantis
19:16.18seanbright:)
19:16.21Qwellseanbright: he says no
19:16.24Juggiei'll try a make distclean
19:16.29seanbrightQwell: drat
19:16.43Juggieinitially my box was missing those packages
19:16.51Juggieits a fresh install of centos did it last week
19:17.34Juggiehmmm nope still doesnt work
19:17.55seanbrightpastebin your config.log
19:19.43seanbrightscrew that... just tell him to run make nmenuselect
19:19.45seanbrighterr
19:19.48seanbrightmake cmenuselect
19:20.05Qwellseanbright: he did, it worked :p
19:20.09seanbrightsuper
19:20.22seanbrightnewt uses F keys, that's just the way it is
19:20.23seanbrightheh
19:22.09Juggieseanbright, http://www.pastebin.ca/1198428
19:24.13seanbrightJuggie: what version of asterisk is this?/
19:24.23seanbrightlatest 1.6rc?
19:24.25Juggietrunk
19:24.35seanbrightok
19:24.42Juggiehmmm odd odd
19:24.42seanbrightlet me test (also on centos)
19:24.47Juggiedid a second distclean
19:24.48Juggieworks now
19:25.10seanbrightsuper
19:25.18Juggiei havnt used this box to compile anything yet so i was adding packages as the configure failed
19:25.21Juggieand running configure again
19:25.27Juggiei guess that makes it unhappy
19:25.42seanbrightbefore each build i do this:
19:25.59seanbright./configure --enable-dev-mode;gmake distclean;./configure --enable-dev-mode;gmake menuselect
19:26.07Juggiethat said, you'll be happy to know F12 works for me
19:26.14Juggieeven on vista w/ putty :)
19:26.20Juggie(i know i know i'm at work)
19:26.41seanbrightyeah... maybe we go back to making curses the default
19:26.47seanbrightas much as i hate the thought of that
19:27.05seanbrightnewt has brought me nothing but pain
19:27.06seanbright:)
19:27.22Juggiethe terminal doesnt render right though
19:27.25Juggietypical ansi crap
19:27.35seanbrightwhat doesn't render right?
19:28.05seanbrightimagebin a screenshot
19:28.07seanbright:)
19:28.13Juggiethe line around the grey box is not there its all the letter a with the a with a hat :)
19:28.21Juggiebut thats just my terminal not your fault
19:28.22seanbrightohh
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19:28.31seanbrightdoes putty have a unicode mode?
19:28.34seanbrightutf-8, rather.
19:29.01seanbrightif so, you should turn that on
19:29.02Juggieyes, several
19:29.44seanbrightdoing that fixes man pages for me too
19:29.46seanbrightfor some reason.
19:30.12Juggieah there we go
19:30.17Juggiesetting it to UTF-8 worked.
19:30.24seanbrightyeah?
19:30.28seanbrightawesome
19:30.55seanbrightif you don't mind spending $$ on software, i recommend SecureCRT from vandyke software
19:31.06seanbrightit rocks
19:31.10Juggiei have it but the latest  version crashes on me
19:31.14seanbrightreally?
19:31.16seanbrightweird.
19:31.22Juggiekeeps giving me some weird error about a semaphore
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19:31.45seanbrightbizarre
19:31.49Juggiei thought so too
19:32.01seanbrightseceurecrt <3
19:32.02Juggiesecurecrt though does a terrible job at console emulation i find
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19:32.07Juggiei can never get it to look as good as putty
19:33.48seanbrighthttp://imagebin.ca/view/s2T-SAp1.html
19:34.00seanbrightmmm
19:36.11filehrm, do we have a way to signify that a variable should only be inherited and never be accessible from the current channel? random thought.
19:36.22seanbrightno sir
19:36.26Corydon76-digWe do not
19:36.46filek
19:36.49seanbrightwhat is that... a write-only variable?
19:37.01putnopvutfile: what sort of use did you have in mind for that?
19:37.37Corydon76-digI'm also curious
19:37.38filedunno
19:37.41filejust popped up in my mind
19:37.49putnopvutmkay
19:38.07Juggieseanbright, http://donnyk.ca/putty-menuselect.png
19:38.16Juggieis that the correct render :P
19:38.39Juggiei feel like im missing scroll bars
19:38.43fileseanbright: well... sort of... it would be inherited down if you dialed a channel and readable there, but not readable from your channel...
19:38.48filedunno what could be done with it, meh
19:39.11Corydon76-digfile: we have SHARED() variables and IAXVARs, though
19:39.52Corydon76-digboth are special encapsulations of variables for moving them between channels
19:39.59fileNODS
19:40.01fileerm
19:40.15Corydon76-digYou can also IMPORT() a variable from another
19:40.25fileCorydon76-dig: I think you must be the person who has used datastores the most O.o
19:40.38Corydon76-digProbably
19:40.48putnopvutdatastores are kewl
19:41.12Corydon76-digYes, they are.  Wish I'd completed my implementation first...
19:41.12Juggieseanbright?
19:41.35Corydon76-digthough I can't really complain too much about the current implementation
19:41.36putnopvutCorydon76-dig: was yours better than the one that's there?
19:42.07Corydon76-digputnopvut: I'd say it was a lot more ambitious, which is probably also the reason it didn't get completed
19:43.13Corydon76-digI wrote most of mine at one point, then got distracted by real work, and by the time I got back to it, it was so out of date with CVS, I pretty much abandoned the work
19:44.09Corydon76-digThis was also at a time when I had to submit every single patch to Mark via email and bug the crap out of him until it got committed, so there wasn't a lot of hope there
19:45.14filelong long time ago
19:45.23Corydon76-digYes, it was
19:45.35fileI can still remember... how the firewalled education net made me feel...
19:45.50Corydon76-digPromoted, actually, by a comment from Mark that he didn't want to have to change the channel definition all the time to add new features
19:46.39Corydon76-digbut anyway, I'm happy with the current implementation
19:46.58Corydon76-digOnly thing I think I added was inheritance
19:47.06fileaye
19:47.20putnopvutinheritance is a nice thing, too.
19:48.04Corydon76-digand the current implementation probably avoids a lot of the issues that I was trying to solve with the ambitious code
19:48.58Corydon76-digI was thinking that each channel extension would register itself and get events from the channel on creation, dialling, and hangup.
19:49.42Corydon76-diginstead of the current impl. which allows attachment, modification, and disposal of the datastore at any time
19:50.00Corydon76-digwhich is a much more flexible way to go about it
19:58.37seanbrightJuggie?
19:58.40Juggieyes
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19:58.49seanbrightJuggie: oh... looking
19:59.07seanbrightJuggie: yeah, no scroll bars... that's weird
19:59.16seanbrightthe newt scrollbars suck anyway
19:59.26Juggieis there supposed to be a solid border?
19:59.44seanbrightyeah
19:59.53seanbrightmade with -s and +s
20:00.44Juggiewhat font do you use in securecrt for your terminal
20:00.53seanbrightconsolas
20:00.57seanbrightMS font
20:03.56Juggiehmm
20:05.09Juggiedo a screen shot of it in securecrt
20:05.18seanbrightplease?
20:05.21seanbright:)
20:05.26Juggiesvp
20:05.47seanbrightconsolas ftw, btw.
20:05.47seanbrightbrb
20:06.37seanbrighthttp://imagebin.ca/view/X6QWtW5J.html
20:06.56Juggiehrmf
20:07.04Juggiesee if it works in putty for you
20:07.10Juggiei've never seen dashes ever :)
20:10.09seanbrighthold
20:10.25seanbrighti'll stop doing actual work just for you
20:10.32Juggiehmm works in secure crt, wonder what the difference is
20:10.40Juggieyou do actual work? :P
20:10.46seanbrightevery week
20:10.59Juggieonce a week... tuesday is work day :)
20:11.11seanbrightprecisely
20:12.27outtolunchopes Feb 29th falls during the week this year <G>
20:12.54outtoluncboy i am tired, thinking wrong year..
20:14.02putnopvutouttolunc: that's --really-- far off :)
20:14.42outtoluncyeah my brain clicked 2007 and feb 29th 2008 in future.. then click click.. DUH
20:15.12outtolunconly got like 1hr sleep last night, i should just keep my trap shut
20:15.32seanbrightJuggie: ohhh
20:15.39seanbrightit looks *awesome* in putty
20:17.10seanbrightJuggie: consolas doesn't have the unicode line drawing characters
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20:18.04seanbrightJuggie: http://imagebin.ca/view/UouPMwJ.html
20:20.10seanbrightJuggie: i can't get that to look like that with SecureCRT
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20:34.57seanbrightJuggie: for one, you need a font that supports the box drawing unicode characters
20:35.03seanbrightcourier new appears to support that
20:35.18seanbrightas does lucida console
20:36.30Juggieah woot
20:36.33Juggiemine looks better then yours :P
20:36.39seanbrightlemme see
20:37.47Juggieseanbright, http://donnyk.ca/putty-menuselect.png
20:38.16seanbrightthat's mirc
20:38.24Juggieer woops
20:38.35seanbrightwhat is #spank-me-daddy?
20:38.37seanbrightnm
20:39.03Juggiethere we go
20:39.31caio1982seanbright: i thought you'd say #asstricks
20:39.55seanbrightJuggie: that looks like this one -> http://imagebin.ca/view/UouPMwJ.html
20:40.10Juggieindeed
20:40.14seanbrightyour scrollbar looks better though
20:40.20Juggiebut not like your securecrt one
20:40.24Juggiethat one used dashes
20:40.25seanbrightno
20:40.30putnopvutHmm, I need to see if I'm still quoted as the topic in #asstricks
20:40.31seanbrighti'm working on that, though
20:40.45Juggieknown as 'poor mans line drawing' in putty :)
20:40.48Juggieanwyay i must go ciao.
20:40.54seanbrightlater
20:42.00caio1982uh oh, ciao highlights my irc client
20:42.25seanbrightdon't join any french channels then
20:42.26seanbright:)
20:42.59caio1982why french channels?
20:43.14seanbrightisn't that what french people say?
20:43.21caio1982italian
20:43.26seanbrightsame diff
20:43.27caio1982:)
20:43.29caio1982lol
20:43.31putnopvutThe word is Italian, but I guess that doesn't preclude French people from saying it.
20:43.32lmadsenshakes his head at seanbright
20:43.39caio1982putnopvut: indeed
20:43.45seanbrightit's all greek to me
20:44.17putnopvutseanbright: sigma eta iota tau
20:44.28seanbrightputnopvut: sember ubi sub ubi
20:44.34seanbrightfudge...
20:44.40seanbrightsemper ubi sub ubi
20:44.41putnopvutalways where under where?
20:44.47lmadsenputnopvut: mecha lecha hi mecha hiney ho!
20:44.48putnopvutalways wear underwear...
20:44.48seanbrighthooray
20:45.16seanbrightlmadsen: pee wee's playhouse much?
20:45.27putnopvutwish? Did somebody say wish?
20:45.35seanbrightheh
20:45.48outtoluncchanges 'work day' to wednesday
20:46.57snuff-homethinks putnopvut has to be getting tired.. he cant be The Energizer Bunny..
20:47.11putnopvutsnuff-home: I think the tiredness is all going to hit me tomorrow.
20:48.14snuff-homemm well driving is not good without sleep for over 40 hrs.. its a bad mix
20:48.48snuff-homei've done it only twice.. and came rather close to accidents both times
20:49.15seanbrightputnopvut: you've been up for a while?
20:51.22Corydon76-digGood thing nobody put his battery in backwards
20:52.22putnopvutseanbright: yeah, I've been up for about ... 33 hours now.
20:52.27seanbrightputnopvut: why?
20:52.32putnopvutCouldn't sleep last night.
20:52.37seanbrightah
20:52.41seanbrighttry porn?
20:52.42Corydon76-digseanbright: he's a masochist
20:52.59seanbrightapparently
20:53.05putnopvutCorydon76-dig: that statement is funny right after seanbright's question.
20:53.05Corydon76-digOr too much caffeine
20:53.14putnopvutI don't know why, really.
20:53.33Corydon76-digHeh
20:53.43seanbrightputnopvut: well you'll sleep well tonight
20:53.44putnopvutBut that's why there were commits and bugnotes left from me between 2-6 AM this morning.
20:53.49seanbrightah
20:55.22outtoluncthings it was the paella that kept me up
20:55.41outtoluncthinks (or not) <G> sheesh
20:55.52putnopvutmmmm...paella
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21:05.03seanbrightmore french words...
21:05.20putnopvutseanbright: you need to visit Europe, man.
21:05.25seanbrightheh
21:05.49seanbrightdon't have the time, money, or desire
21:05.57putnopvutI have only the desire at this point.
21:06.04seanbrighti know what's there
21:06.04putnopvutI took a six week trip there two years ago.
21:11.33seanbrightfine.  you're better than me.  there, i said it.
21:11.36seanbright:)
21:12.14seanbrightand on that note
21:12.16seanbrighti retired.
21:12.24seanbrights/ed/e/
21:12.57putnopvutHoly crap, seanbright has admitted my dominance! I win!
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22:14.48jsmith-teachingmay have just found a bug in 1.6.0
22:17.09jsmith-teachingscratches his head, chalks it up to gremlins, and moves on
22:20.01snuff-workmm how high has our rc revisions gone.. i remember at least rc4 for the 1.4.21 i think..
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23:08.53philippelQwell ping
23:09.01Qwellphilippel: pong, one min
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