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| 19:25.28 | romanovic | hi |
| 19:25.47 | aeryndunham | hey hey |
| 19:25.51 | romanovic | aeryndunham: did you ever remember your LDS-related question from last week? |
| 19:26.25 | aeryndunham | I don't think so :( |
| 19:26.41 | aeryndunham | or, no, wait, I did |
| 19:27.04 | aeryndunham | it's not so much as LDS question as it is "what's the LDS response to this" |
| 19:29.57 | aeryndunham | So I actually love the answer I've gotten from LDS people on the problem of evil, namely that people doing horrible things makes God just as upset as it makes us, but that we have free agency to choose as we please and that can't be infringed upon. So I can totally reconcile that things like mass shootings aren't just God sitting around and not doing anything. But I guess I've always wondered how we can justify |
| 19:29.59 | aeryndunham | hundreds of people being killed in earthquakes/floods/whatever, without falling down the hole of assuming it to be some kind of divine punishment (which I cannot buy for one second) |
| 19:39.31 | Crisco | "The Lord does not eliminate sufferingâitâs part of the plan." |
| 19:40.04 | Crisco | "The worst-case scenario in one of these disasters is that someone might be killed. Thatâs a very sad thing. But since we know the truth, we know that even such loss is part of Heavenly Fatherâs plan. We know what life is truly all about; we know why we are here and where we are going. Because of this eternal perspective, the pain can be eased. Knowledge of the plan of salvation takes the sting out of death" |
| 19:40.09 | Crisco | https://www.lds.org/ensign/2012/08/natural-disasters-we-dont-have-to-be-afraid?lang=eng |
| 19:40.30 | Crisco | That's how I've always felt |
| 19:40.53 | Crisco | of course I've never been on the receiving end of a natural disaster |
| 19:44.26 | romanovic | yeah, it's one thing to see natural disasters in the US, and then see something happen on the other side of the world (e.g. the earthquake in Nepal) where the results are much more catastrophic |
| 19:46.47 | romanovic | People were already living in a humbled state, it's not logical to think that of all the people on the earth, they deserved that natural disaster |
| 19:47.51 | romanovic | also related - http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Chastening |
| 19:48.33 | romanovic | it does mention that God allows natural disasters to chasten people who have forgotten him, but also points out that God chastens the people he loves |
| 20:01.40 | romanovic | And along the lines of Crisco's link, I feel like God has architected all of these systems in the Universe, including the Earth's movements and natural changes, in order to fulfill His plan. I'm sure if everyone knew with certainty what eternal life awaited for them, these disasters would be much less frightening |
| 20:02.49 | aeryndunham | that makes sense |
| 20:02.58 | romanovic | But nobody knows for certain, it requires a step of faith into the unknown on our part, that's part of the plan |
| 20:03.43 | romanovic | I for one am a little frightened of living in a major earthquake zone that is overdue for a large quake |
| 20:04.43 | aeryndunham | I get nervous sometimes living at sea |
| 20:04.46 | aeryndunham | anything could happen out here |
| 20:07.28 | aeryndunham | and yeah I guess as someone who struggles to believe "it's all part of the plan" isn't as comforting as I know it is intended to be |
| 20:12.59 | romanovic | I hear stories people tell about pavement rolling like waves during an earthquake. On the ocean, the waves roll like waves 24/7, so any major storm that comes along sounds scary |
| 20:13.06 | romanovic | to me |
| 20:13.32 | Crisco | aeryndunham: yeah, it isn't what anyone really wants to hear |
| 20:13.44 | Crisco | that is why it requires faith and obedience |
| 20:16.27 | aeryndunham | true |
| 20:16.57 | Crisco | everything God wants us to learn here is so that we can then actually progress in the next life |
| 20:17.11 | Crisco | Faith is the power by which the worlds were created |
| 20:17.35 | Crisco | Well, if you want to continue progressing you'll have to learn how to use faith |
| 20:17.52 | Crisco | and what better context to use faith than in a state that has doubt |
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| 22:18.42 | aeryndunham | Evening! sorry to vanish for a while |
| 22:58.44 | romanovic | good evening! |
| 22:59.00 | aeryndunham | hey :) |
| 23:00.58 | romanovic | I look forward to getting home this evening. I have a new laptop to play with |
| 23:01.10 | romanovic | I didn't have a chance to do anything with it last night |
| 23:01.10 | aeryndunham | oooh yes |
| 23:01.48 | aeryndunham | Mint is a nice OS |
| 23:01.54 | aeryndunham | I'm liking my setup now though |
| 23:02.37 | romanovic | are you going to keep it permanently? |
| 23:03.03 | aeryndunham | oh probably not, who knows |
| 23:04.27 | aeryndunham | I have an Antergos .iso I want to install too |
| 23:04.36 | aeryndunham | I have honestly no idea what draws me to opensuse |
| 23:06.05 | Crisco | I just use Arch |
| 23:06.05 | aeryndunham | but I've got an awesome desktop clock (yay conky) and a chameleon on my desktop :p |
| 23:06.17 | aeryndunham | I installed Arch once |
| 23:06.26 | Crisco | it takes more configuration but the end result is worth it |
| 23:06.31 | aeryndunham | distro hops but keeps coming back too openSUSE |
| 23:06.34 | Crisco | and you don't have to compile _everything_ |
| 23:06.53 | aeryndunham | yeah Gentoo sounds like waaaaaaaay too much work |
| 23:06.56 | Crisco | And it is surprisingly easy to update for a rolling release |
| 23:07.09 | Crisco | I just got back from my mission on Wednesday and updated my laptop in like an hour |
| 23:07.21 | Crisco | 2 years without updates and it runs perfectly fine now |
| 23:07.26 | aeryndunham | oooooh where did you go? |
| 23:07.32 | Crisco | The Dominican Republic |
| 23:07.45 | aeryndunham | I have not been there |
| 23:07.54 | aeryndunham | but I imagine your Spanish is now way better than mine :p |
| 23:07.57 | Crisco | It shares the island with Haiti |
| 23:08.10 | aeryndunham | yeah, I know where it is |
| 23:08.13 | Crisco | Ah, okay |
| 23:08.19 | Crisco | I didn't until my parents told me |
| 23:08.23 | aeryndunham | I travel a lot for work |
| 23:08.34 | aeryndunham | or, I guess my work literally travels :P |
| 23:09.02 | Crisco | what is your work? |
| 23:09.16 | aeryndunham | I am the internet cafe manager on a cruise ship |
| 23:09.44 | Crisco | ah |
| 23:09.49 | Crisco | so that's how you know where the DR is |
| 23:09.58 | aeryndunham | haha yeah i guess |
| 23:10.46 | Crisco | I was on the poor side of the island so I never met tourists |
| 23:10.54 | Crisco | just illegal Haitian immigrants |
| 23:30.49 | resplin | romanovic: Which laptop did you end up buying? |
| 23:31.04 | romanovic | dell inspiron 7000 series |
| 23:31.27 | resplin | Did it ship with Linux pre-installed? |
| 23:32.20 | romanovic | no. I did look at the Dell Precision laptops that have linux pre-installed, but didn't want to spend the money |
| 23:32.49 | romanovic | and definitely wanted a 15", not the XPS 13 |
| 23:32.54 | resplin | That's understandable. |
| 23:33.01 | romanovic | and I need my ten-key |
| 23:33.13 | resplin | Once you get Linux set up, please share if you encounter any problems. |
| 23:34.43 | aeryndunham | I would be terriied trying to set up Linux for real; as in not in a VM |
| 23:34.44 | romanovic | will do. I'm hoping the hardware and chipsets in the Inspiron are close enough to the Precision versions that drivers won't be an issue |
| 23:35.11 | romanovic | yeah, I'm not even going to boot once into the windows 10 installation it came with... |
| 23:35.33 | Crisco | romanovic: be careful with the Broadcom wifi chips |
| 23:35.37 | resplin | aeryndunham: It's not as intimidating as it used to be. If it works with the live CD, you can be pretty confident in blowing away the drive. |
| 23:35.53 | Crisco | I went with the Thinkpad 13 just to have linux compatibility (plus the beautiful keyboard of ThinkPad) |
| 23:36.06 | aeryndunham | not every OS has a live CD though! |
| 23:36.20 | aeryndunham | I think I am the only person who hates thinkpads |
| 23:36.23 | Crisco | I don't know many that don't |
| 23:36.41 | aeryndunham | this one didn't :p |
| 23:36.43 | resplin | I used to love ThinkPads, but the last two years they have declined. |
| 23:36.43 | Crisco | pretty much hoy en dia all distributions come with live CD |
| 23:36.46 | resplin | I hear the current batch is better. |
| 23:36.57 | Crisco | resplin: I researched a ton before buying it |
| 23:36.59 | resplin | I should have said the last 4 years |
| 23:37.18 | Crisco | and I got pretty much a ~$300 discount for buying with a company |
| 23:37.33 | Crisco | otherwise I don't know what I would have gone with |
| 23:38.22 | aeryndunham | I have a thinkpad for work I hardly touch |
| 23:38.35 | aeryndunham | they won't let me put linux on it :p |
| 23:39.46 | Crisco | quit your job |
| 23:39.57 | aeryndunham | haha |
| 23:40.26 | aeryndunham | I usually have my laptop with me at work, I've had 2 people ask me about my desktop clock today |
| 23:40.33 | aeryndunham | it IS very cool :p |
| 23:42.16 | romanovic | I would like to start bringing in my own laptop as well, so I can play music or browse non-work stuff there |
| 23:43.08 | aeryndunham | I'm typically working on some sort of project that i need access to while not in the intenrnet cafe, and I certainly am not going to use the crappy thinkpad :P |
| 23:43.34 | romanovic | do you get to plug in to free internet while you are at work? or do you have to pay for your own, even on duty at the internet cafe? |
| 23:43.57 | aeryndunham | I get free internet |
| 23:44.11 | romanovic | nice |
| 23:44.11 | aeryndunham | is very very lucky |
| 23:45.36 | aeryndunham | my work computer has internet access, heavily filtered |
| 23:45.48 | aeryndunham | I've got my laptop on the crew wifi network |
| 23:47.05 | aeryndunham | ahhh yay I get to eat in 15 mins |
| 23:47.07 | aeryndunham | is starving |
| 23:48.24 | Crisco | I get to eat once my rice is done |
| 23:50.38 | Crisco | I love latin music but the videos always have very immodestly dressed women |
| 23:50.57 | Crisco | so I usually have to go to another tab once a song starts |
| 23:51.01 | romanovic | Crisco: are you going to school? |
| 23:51.18 | romanovic | imagines Crisco waiting for the rice cooker to ding |
| 23:51.32 | romanovic | at least, that's what I was doing many nights as a college student... |
| 23:52.34 | Crisco | romanovic: no, I got home last week so I have to wait until January to return to school |
| 23:52.52 | romanovic | ah |
| 23:53.07 | Crisco | I burned the rice |
| 23:53.33 | romanovic | well I highly recommend spotify over youtube for music, if you aren't looking to watch music videos anyway |
| 23:54.34 | Crisco | yeah, I'll get Spotify once I remember my passwords |