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| 20:08.28 | xp_prg | wow hi everyone! :> |
| 20:09.18 | xp_prg | anybody here? |
| 20:09.31 | resplin | How are you xp_prg? |
| 20:09.48 | xp_prg | I am good |
| 20:09.52 | xp_prg | I feel bored today :( |
| 20:10.19 | resplin | Sometimes this is a great channel for a distraction. But we haven't had too many conversations lately. |
| 20:11.11 | xp_prg | are you a techy? |
| 20:11.18 | resplin | Yeah. |
| 20:11.19 | xp_prg | what is your tech-fu? |
| 20:11.36 | resplin | I'm a product manager at Alfresco Software. |
| 20:11.47 | resplin | wonders if jsmith will notice that includes a recent promotion for me |
| 20:12.07 | xp_prg | Alfresco is what allows for document tracking and compliance with sarbanes oxly yes? |
| 20:12.08 | jsmith | resplin: w00t! |
| 20:12.16 | xp_prg | congrats resplin |
| 20:12.38 | resplin | Thanks everyone. |
| 20:12.53 | resplin | I got the official title on Monday, but haven't been able to backfill my old job yet, so I'm a bit burned out doing both. |
| 20:13.05 | resplin | (Accepted the new responsibilities two months ago) |
| 20:13.06 | resplin | sigh |
| 20:13.18 | resplin | jsmith: Are you going to OSCON? It sound like I'm going to be going this year. |
| 20:13.30 | resplin | xp_prg: What is your tech-fu? |
| 20:13.31 | jsmith | resplin: Wouldn't miss it -- |
| 20:13.42 | jsmith | resplin: You coming to OpenWest as well? |
| 20:14.24 | resplin | I would like to. I have missed the last two years. I'll be meeting with the European team more often now, so it depends on my travel schedule. |
| 20:15.05 | xp_prg | I am a full stack web developer in lamp mostly, my claim to fame is the truckbot: www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ3SecMEtnA |
| 20:15.12 | jsmith | resplin: You should get Alfresco to help sponsor :-) |
| 20:15.30 | xp_prg | jsmith what is your tech-fu? |
| 20:16.06 | resplin | xp_prg: I miss my G1. It was a great phone! |
| 20:16.14 | resplin | Cool project xp_prg |
| 20:16.17 | xp_prg | thanks |
| 20:16.31 | jsmith | xp_prg: Linux and VoIP geek... former Fedora Project Leader, O'Reilly author, been around the block a few times... |
| 20:16.39 | jsmith | xp_prg: But I ain't all that and a bag of chips :-p |
| 20:16.50 | xp_prg | jsmith I am a mere mortal too |
| 20:17.04 | xp_prg | I respect your tech-fu however |
| 20:17.25 | jsmith | I'm a saint, I'm a sinner, and I try to make the world a better place |
| 20:17.31 | resplin | xp_prg: Is that video filmed at a maker-club of some sort? |
| 20:17.34 | jsmith | That's the best description I can give... |
| 20:17.38 | xp_prg | yes tech shop in menlo park |
| 20:17.52 | resplin | jsmith: You sound like a Mormon living in the bible belt. <grin> |
| 20:18.19 | jsmith | resplin: Actually, right above the belt -- closer to the belly button :-p |
| 20:18.28 | resplin | lol |
| 20:18.49 | resplin | xp_prg: Do you still live in the Bay Area? |
| 20:18.54 | xp_prg | no, I am in hawaii now |
| 20:19.08 | resplin | Tough duty, eh? |
| 20:20.29 | xp_prg | well it is expensive here but besides that it is good ;> |
| 20:20.47 | xp_prg | everything is at least twice as much |
| 20:21.24 | resplin | What took you from the fog of the Bay Area to Hawaii? |
| 20:22.21 | xp_prg | its a long story |
| 20:22.45 | xp_prg | I met a girl in Nepal and then went there, married here, then just happen to end up in Hawaii |
| 20:23.15 | resplin | Sounds like a big adventure. <grin> |
| 20:23.27 | xp_prg | it was :> |
| 20:23.32 | xp_prg | have you tied the knot? |
| 20:23.55 | resplin | Yeah. Just celebrated 13 years together. 5 kiddos running around. No trip to Nepal so far, but one day. <grin> |
| 20:24.11 | xp_prg | I respect your family-fu greatly |
| 20:24.51 | resplin | It's fun. |
| 20:25.52 | xp_prg | where are you located resplin? |
| 20:26.35 | resplin | Utah. |
| 20:26.52 | xp_prg | I have been thinking of relocating there |
| 20:27.03 | xp_prg | isn't there so many fun things to do as a family there? |
| 20:27.23 | xp_prg | in hawaii there is no where to go dancing that is not rap and alcohal |
| 20:27.45 | resplin | My oldest isn't old enough to be worried about social dancing yet (thank goodness). |
| 20:27.52 | resplin | We play in the mountains a lot. |
| 20:27.57 | xp_prg | oh ok |
| 20:28.21 | resplin | I have two neighbors who grew up in Hawaii. One of them even decided he likes the snow. <grin> |
| 20:29.04 | resplin | They told me it is harder in Hawaii to give your kids opportunities around jobs and school, but they enjoyed beach time the way I enjoy hiking with my kiddos. |
| 20:29.11 | jsmith | resplin: My oldest turns 16 next week.... |
| 20:29.21 | jsmith | resplin: That's scary! |
| 20:29.44 | resplin | 16 is a complex age! My oldest is 11 and it is already giving us headaches. |
| 20:31.16 | resplin | jsmith: Looking at the dates for OpenWest, I am realizing it conflicts with the Alfresco Meet-up in Moscow that I am trying to get invited to. |
| 20:31.18 | resplin | <grin> |
| 20:31.26 | resplin | xp_prg: Are you LDS? |
| 20:31.56 | xp_prg | yes I am |
| 20:32.18 | xp_prg | congrats jsmith, I am sure you have prepared him/her, do not worry :> |
| 20:32.48 | resplin | jsmith and I have had many conversations about the pros and cons of raising your family in Utah vs somewhere else. |
| 20:33.11 | xp_prg | what are the cons? |
| 20:33.12 | jsmith | resplin: There's a pro? |
| 20:33.22 | jsmith | ducks |
| 20:33.27 | resplin | lol |
| 20:33.54 | jsmith | xp_prg: The con to raising your kids in Utah is that they often end up very lukewarm.... not hot and not cold.... but halfway between "saints" and "ain'ts" |
| 20:34.07 | resplin | xp_prg: My wife was raised in New England. When her friends were partying she would say "I'm Mormon" and they would stop bothering her about stuff. My friends would say "Have a drink, I'm Mormon too!" |
| 20:34.23 | jsmith | Right... why don't you take one Mormon fishing with you? |
| 20:34.26 | xp_prg | yes I see your point |
| 20:34.39 | jsmith | .... because he'll drink all your beer.... |
| 20:34.45 | jsmith | How do you stop him from doing that? |
| 20:34.51 | jsmith | Bring along another Mormon! |
| 20:35.06 | resplin | lol |
| 20:35.14 | jsmith | Here, living away from Utah, my kids *have* to make a more conscious choice about which way to go |
| 20:35.16 | xp_prg | well, most of the time youth want to rebel if you will, my idea is that they need a good way to rebel |
| 20:35.19 | resplin | There are a lot of pros though. It is cool to be able to have a gospel conversation with your cab driver, etc. |
| 20:35.29 | jsmith | Doesn't mean they always make the right choice, but it's a more stark choice. |
| 20:35.34 | xp_prg | the only way I know that is a good way to rebel is to be straight edge |
| 20:35.46 | jsmith | I grew up in a town that was over 90% LDS |
| 20:35.59 | jsmith | My wife grew up in a town that was less than 1% LDs |
| 20:36.09 | jsmith | And we both agreed that we didn't want to raise our kids in Utah |
| 20:36.33 | xp_prg | I have recently come to understand how important converts are to the church |
| 20:36.36 | resplin | The funny thing is that my wife and I planned to not raise our kids in Utah either, yet here we are! |
| 20:36.39 | xp_prg | how special they really are |
| 20:36.41 | resplin | God's got interesting plans for us sometimes. |
| 20:36.45 | jsmith | I don't want my kids to be "social" Mormons... I want them to choose for themselves what they *really* want and then live it. |
| 20:36.49 | jsmith | resplin: No kidding.... |
| 20:38.21 | xp_prg | well missions help them to understand the right way don't you think? |
| 20:43.47 | resplin | Did for me. |
| 20:44.11 | resplin | And it helps to go out of your way to meet everyone in your community, rather than just the people you see at Church. |
| 20:44.20 | resplin | And take your kids to their friend's church services. |
| 20:44.30 | resplin | Those are some of the things we have tried to do. |
| 20:49.52 | xp_prg | well my plan is to get them heavily involved with sports, take them to seminary, so they will be too tired to be bad :> |
| 20:50.49 | resplin | Great strategy. I would love to take my kids surfing one day. |
| 20:51.34 | resplin | I want to emulate the strategy used by the dad of one of my close friends. He always took us rock climbing because you could have a real heart-to-heart, and drop the rope if you didn't like the answer. |
| 20:51.36 | xp_prg | ya I was in swimming when I was in highschool on a community team, we had early morning workout and afternoon plus weights, I was dead tired all the time |
| 20:57.24 | xp_prg | drop the rope? |
| 20:59.25 | resplin | He would belay us, and threaten to walk away (leave us unprotected) if we didn't shape up. He was joking of course. |
| 20:59.34 | xp_prg | oh ok |
| 21:16.34 | xp_prg | well I believe in this: the greatest thing you can do for another person is be an example of the right way to live |
| 21:20.49 | xp_prg | and then the other thing is to serve others, when you serve others you actually heal and help yourself |
| 21:31.52 | xp_prg | if you help them to know these principles it will help them alot I think |
| 21:38.51 | resplin | +1 |
| 21:39.51 | xp_prg | remember that Jesus said the greatest among us shall be your servant |
| 21:40.12 | xp_prg | teach them to serve selflessly and to always be looking to serve others |
| 21:46.17 | xp_prg | and always love them too :L> |
| 21:46.28 | xp_prg | that is the most important thing |
| 21:46.38 | xp_prg | love breaks down all barriers |
| 21:47.05 | resplin | +â |
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| 22:17.11 | klys | wauw what is this |
| 22:24.28 | klys | a discussion of the principles of being good |
| 22:25.12 | klys | to be beneficially foundedly sincere |
| 22:25.45 | klys | focusing on beneficiality |
| 22:26.57 | klys | to be a beneficial example of sacrifice and friendship |
| 22:29.27 | klys | doing what friends need, and thereby knowing your best friends |
| 22:31.00 | klys | planning what time would steal, so that all may benefit. |
| 22:36.54 | klys | remaining a pioneer on the best uses of modern time, not giving up each other's ways, but being honestly adroitly keen |
| 22:38.46 | klys | sincerely administering what the most folks need to succeed |
| 22:41.19 | klys | accomplishing the rights of man: life, liberty, property, freedom, justice, independence |
| 22:42.18 | klys | and well-foundedly sincere. |
| 22:43.33 | klys | which right do you think is a close affinity to being beneficial? |
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