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| 02:26.42 | Constitution | yahoo radar! http://games.fairserve.net/dominicus/screenshots/164.png |
| 03:03.34 | Gabe_G23 | Constitution: osnap |
| 03:03.39 | Gabe_G23 | lookin schmexy |
| 03:04.45 | Constitution | thx nab |
| 03:04.55 | Constitution | basic playing interface is almost feature complete :) |
| 03:07.35 | Gabe_G23 | :D |
| 03:17.53 | Constitution | not even a "no u"? hmmm :-\ |
| 04:55.36 | spldart | was iz da 'schmexy'? |
| 05:53.23 | Constitution | http://games.fairserve.net/dominicus/screenshots/166.png |
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| 08:59.51 | ndim | Constitution: wow |
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| 09:17.00 | brad | Gabe_G23: have you completed it yet?.. |
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| 10:22.36 | Constitution | ok here we go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0cC3gI8VCg |
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| 10:51.32 | Constitution | ~wake kierra |
| 10:51.32 | purl | ACTION throws a barrel-full of ice water on kierra and shouts "GOOD MORNING!!!!" |
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| 12:38.50 | scott | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/vip/~3/g_VXxlmiNSk/industrial-chemicals-threaten-boobs |
| 12:38.52 | scott | :( |
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| 14:03.22 | Quol | Constitution, looking good man..nice progress |
| 14:07.04 | scott | what is that? are those seats leather? does it come with cup holders? |
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| 15:37.55 | KTL | i remember long ago a website offering a small picture of the worldmap, you could click on the continents, the pixel you clicked on became your color ... this way you could click the whole world in your color but in the meantime other people clicked for themselves, taking away your color ... |
| 15:37.58 | KTL | what website was that ... |
| 15:38.02 | KTL | havent found it again ... |
| 15:38.18 | KTL | (i automated it, became kinda imperialistic back then) |
| 15:38.24 | KTL | (big KTL on russia ) |
| 15:38.34 | KTL | (and a duckling on north-america :D ) |
| 15:38.52 | KTL | (the KTL had horns :D ) |
| 15:55.13 | scott | ponders KTL's motive |
| 15:55.36 | KTL | putting all the digital blood on my hands on my cv :D |
| 15:55.45 | KTL | loooong list of missachievements :D |
| 15:57.09 | KTL | mmm missachievement might be a bad translation |
| 16:11.22 | KTL | http://www.drunkmenworkhere.org/189.php?action=instructions |
| 16:11.26 | KTL | GOTCHA |
| 16:11.40 | KTL | MY ... PLANET ... |
| 16:25.22 | KTL | muheheheehe my old code ... still works ... |
| 16:25.25 | KTL | conquers. |
| 16:28.39 | KTL | http://www.drunkmenworkhere.org/189.php?action=instructions <- see those grey pixels appearing :) |
| 16:28.44 | KTL | soon there will be more ... |
| 16:49.18 | Gabe_G23 | brad: closer :p |
| 16:49.45 | scott | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:22.29 | KTL | the duckling is appearing in south america |
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| 18:05.07 | Quol | ugh - dealing with a billionare's son is a very painful experience.....you end up either wanting to bang your head on a wall, or spank him....either one get you fired though... |
| 18:09.13 | mdskpr_ | Quol: o.0 are you the Gate's private tutor? |
| 18:09.51 | Quol | no...although I think that would be better. |
| 18:11.19 | Quol | the owner of the company I work for (it's a private company, single owner), is a multi-billionare...and from time to time, I have to deal with his son (he tries to take over I.T. every once in a while), and this time - he want to change it so that everyone in the entire world only communicates with a single e-mail address |
| 18:11.40 | Quol | apparently it is unacceptable to have multiple e-mail addresses per person - because he can't find them after... |
| 18:11.42 | Quol | ... |
| 18:11.43 | Quol | ... |
| 18:12.15 | Quol | <spank or bang head here> |
| 18:12.56 | Quol | the end result is him waving his hands and yelling "I don't care about the details - just fix it....isn't this what we pay you for?" |
| 18:14.46 | scott | yay for /etc/aliases |
| 18:14.51 | Quol | on my last day here....I promise that his mailbox will have some weird accident, and all his mail will be sent to /dev/null |
| 18:15.08 | Quol | ya - /etc/aliases only gets you so far... |
| 18:15.26 | scott | you're hungry a hour later? |
| 18:15.30 | scott | er wait |
| 18:15.51 | Quol | you have to know the addresses to re-write them. one of his friends opening a new yahoo account and sending him a new mail for instance |
| 18:16.19 | scott | i know what you have to do: |
| 18:16.20 | scott | http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2011/06/22/hacker-ceo-presentation-porn/ |
| 18:16.31 | Quol | lol |
| 18:16.38 | Quol | i don't even want to click on it :) |
| 18:16.53 | scott | its safe |
| 18:17.19 | Quol | ~700,000 items in his inbox...and he says "this is unacceptable...why when I try and sort is it soo slow" |
| 18:17.19 | purl | that's too long, Quol |
| 18:17.33 | scott | "Well, what would you do if your carefully composed presentation was replaced on the big screen by images of a naked woman? My guess is that you wouldn't know where to put your laser pointer.." |
| 18:17.37 | Quol | umm....because your an idiot...oh wait...can't say that |
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| 18:18.14 | Quol | lol |
| 18:19.09 | Quol | that's too good...I will one up him though, and fiind the incriminating e-mails with him and various secretaries..and make sure that they are delivered to his wife. then, I will make sure that his mailbox goes to /dev/null... |
| 18:19.21 | Quol | then I will be in jail :) |
| 18:19.33 | scott | i'll send flowers and lube |
| 18:19.53 | Quol | thx scott - knew I could count on you |
| 18:20.00 | scott | ;) |
| 18:20.55 | Quol | all I know is...if had almost ulimited access to funds...I wouldn't be here...why on earth is this guy here. he should be out in the world spending all of dad's money in the alps or something |
| 18:41.38 | Gabe_G23 | <Quol> he want to change it so that everyone in the entire world only communicates with a single e-mail address |
| 18:41.42 | Gabe_G23 | xD what. |
| 18:42.42 | Quol | Gabe_G23, ya...I know... |
| 18:42.56 | Quol | I am still sooo frustrated - dealing with him is impossible |
| 18:44.31 | Gabe_G23 | :( |
| 18:44.40 | Gabe_G23 | Quol: challenge him to a 1v1 in bzflag :P |
| 18:45.07 | Quol | I wanted to tell him something like: "ya, I will get right on it and inform the various govenment leaders that as children are born, they should be assigned their e-mail address for life, and laws should be passed making it illegal to use other mail services therby enforcing the 1 address per human policy" |
| 18:45.11 | Quol | lol, ya... |
| 18:45.28 | Quol | although because i haven't played in so long - he would probably beat me :) |
| 18:45.32 | Gabe_G23 | :O |
| 18:45.55 | Gabe_G23 | Quol: When children are born their ears are pierced and a tag is attached with an assigned e-mail address |
| 18:45.57 | Gabe_G23 | :P |
| 18:46.21 | Quol | heh - that would probably make him happy :) |
| 18:46.34 | Gabe_G23 | tell him to use contacts |
| 18:46.42 | Gabe_G23 | so he can assign multiple e-mail addresses to 1 person |
| 18:46.45 | Gabe_G23 | or something, idk |
| 18:46.54 | Quol | ooh - we have tried everything... |
| 18:46.57 | Gabe_G23 | bbl :| |
| 19:10.55 | BulletCatcher | Quol: Tell him you will develop a plan to satisfy his request, but that it will take a few days. |
| 19:10.59 | BulletCatcher | Also tell him what other work will be delayed while you do it. |
| 19:11.04 | BulletCatcher | If he doesn't say "never mind" right there, then do develop an outline of the plan. |
| 19:11.09 | BulletCatcher | The plan should involve hiring a personal e-mail assistant for him to keep track of his correspondents, delete spam, etc. |
| 19:11.10 | BulletCatcher | Give a realistic cost estimate, then be prepared for any of many possible responses (including "make it so"). |
| 19:12.23 | Quol | heh...ya, we talked about taht too...the issue is that we all assume a certain level of logic is involved in order for these types of discussions to take place and proceed |
| 19:13.23 | Quol | the main issue is that it is all illogical...he is just a spoiled brat kicking and screaming because he doesn't like the way something is, and all his life - if he just complained long enough - then people around him adjusted and gave him what he wanted |
| 19:14.13 | Quol | so - he truly wants to not change anything on his end, and have the world adjust to his way of thinking....the logic of billionair child's brain is completely skewed |
| 19:14.24 | BulletCatcher | There is nothing wrong with giving in to his irrational demands as long as he (the business) pays the full price for it. |
| 19:14.44 | scott | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43459864/from/ET/?beginSlide=1 |
| 19:14.45 | scott | Paris air show pics ^ |
| 19:15.01 | Quol | ya...they don't want to pay...there the whole "this is why I pay you - right?"...ugh - but I hear ya |
| 19:15.11 | Quol | just frustrating to deal with. |
| 19:15.16 | BulletCatcher | I understand. |
| 19:16.01 | BulletCatcher | Of course, they don't actually pay you properly to provide that kind of service. |
| 19:17.02 | Quol | lol |
| 19:17.06 | Quol | too true |
| 19:17.11 | BulletCatcher | The true cost of convincing other people to use 1 e-mail address throughout their lives is way beyond the budget of your department. |
| 19:17.15 | Quol | he even threatened to fire me over this... |
| 19:17.38 | Quol | I just smiled...and he hated that |
| 19:17.55 | Quol | in my head I was thinking "please do...I would love to tell this story to a judge" |
| 19:19.17 | Quol | his father hates the public, and tries to stay out of it as much as possible. being one of canada's wealthies people, I am sure newspapers would pick up the story and run with it...I could get a decent payment out of the "please just take this and shutup" check :) |
| 19:19.48 | scott | you should bang his daughter |
| 19:19.53 | BulletCatcher | lol |
| 19:19.55 | BulletCatcher | The next time it comes up, ask if he wants you to contact the other person on his behalf to ask them to *not* change their e-mail address. |
| 19:20.04 | orange | you know I had some thoughts, but after scott's idea there isn't much more to say |
| 19:20.12 | Quol | lol |
| 19:20.14 | scott | :D |
| 19:20.24 | Quol | this is the dad btw: http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/10/GMCO.html |
| 19:20.36 | Quol | and scott - no daughters - just two brothers |
| 19:20.39 | orange | does he want the address to be whatever@thecompanyyouworkfor.com? |
| 19:21.25 | orange | and what does he want to happen if you change jobs? |
| 19:21.51 | Quol | orange - he doesn't care so long as it's always the same for anywone that sends e-mails to him...ever... |
| 19:22.19 | Quol | ohh - the thought process doesn't go that far in his spoiled-brat little mind...it doesn't think past "this is what I want, and I want it now :)" |
| 19:22.32 | Quol | but clearly I have no opinion in the mater :) |
| 19:25.13 | Quol | as another example, the week his dad told the company pilots to not let his son use one of the company planes anymore to bring girls to paris for the weekend - was the week he sulked in his office and yelled at everybody that came through the door |
| 19:25.19 | Quol | actualy - that lasted for about a month |
| 19:28.43 | scott | :o |
| 19:34.03 | BulletCatcher | Mrs. Catcher doesn't let me use the jet to take girls to Paris, either. |
| 19:35.34 | Quol | lol |
| 19:43.08 | scott | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13776355 |
| 19:43.13 | scott | yet another "game changer" |
| 19:43.23 | scott | Eurocopter debuts X3 rotorcraft |
| 19:47.20 | ndim | scott: Thanks for reminding me of a future travel destination: Paris and Farnborough. |
| 19:47.32 | ndim | Or two, as a matter of fact. |
| 19:48.24 | scott | s/scott/Quol/ |
| 19:49.37 | catay | well, after Quol's story my job isn't that bad :P |
| 19:49.48 | Quol | lol catay :) |
| 19:49.57 | ndim | scott: I was talking about the Paris Air Show pics. |
| 19:50.40 | scott | ndim: ah... thought you wanted to take girls there |
| 19:50.53 | Quol | ya - the politics here are insane...because of things like that |
| 19:51.13 | scott | the ceo here is like that |
| 19:51.16 | catay | please make a stop first at brussels airport and pick me up :P |
| 19:51.54 | catay | I guess it's the same story everywhere |
| 19:52.06 | catay | at my job the send a worldwide mail about travel restrictions |
| 19:52.12 | catay | only travel when really necessary |
| 19:52.32 | catay | the CIO arrives form UK in Atlanta |
| 19:52.44 | catay | on Friday he flies back to the UK to see a soccer match |
| 19:52.51 | catay | on Monday he flies back to ATL |
| 19:52.51 | Quol | lol - yup |
| 19:52.58 | Quol | sounds about right |
| 19:53.33 | BulletCatcher | But that was a very important soccer match! |
| 19:53.50 | Quol | two years ago we let go hundresds because of the recession, but yet, he has the money to personally spend millions to keep F1 here in montreal |
| 19:53.58 | catay | yeah, wasn't that long ago , somewhere in May |
| 19:54.04 | catay | Manchester vs something else |
| 19:54.12 | catay | was a big match |
| 19:54.27 | catay | but even then, those people should set the example |
| 19:54.57 | Quol | no - they are forever stuck in "it's mine, mine, mine" mindframe |
| 19:56.09 | Quol | but ya - lead by example? what's that? but how knows...give me eric schmidt's money - and how would I act? maybe I would buy a 747 and fly it to alaska for ice cream on a friday night - who knows? |
| 19:57.17 | catay | it's the same with decision making .. sometimes you really wonder on which basis they take decisions |
| 19:57.34 | catay | they decide and the base can solve their stuff |
| 19:57.48 | catay | they don't care how , they just want to see it solved |
| 19:58.06 | Quol | yup..and there is no reasoning with them |
| 19:58.20 | ndim | With enough effort, reality can always be made to fit the preconceived mental model. |
| 19:58.40 | ndim | Want to get rid of gravity? I've got a solution for you... |
| 19:58.59 | Quol | it took forever to convince out owner that his blackberry had to have the wireless on in order to synchronize. he didn't want the wireless on because it drained that batter faster - but he wanted it to sync automatically |
| 19:59.51 | Quol | I even told him to just have one of his assitants sync it for him....but that wasn't acceptable...lol |
| 20:00.18 | catay | heh |
| 20:00.27 | Quol | ndim....how do I get rid of gravity! |
| 20:00.37 | Quol | my anti-gravity boots stopped working |
| 20:00.50 | ndim | Quol: Four options, basically. |
| 20:00.52 | catay | We took over part of a company recently , we inherited a thousands servers |
| 20:00.56 | catay | basically a graveyard |
| 20:01.05 | ndim | a) Parabolic flight. Expensive, and quite short time. |
| 20:01.09 | catay | all old stuff , no support and all that kind of fun stuff |
| 20:01.23 | ndim | b) Earth orbit. More expensive, lasts longer. Remaining microgravity effect. |
| 20:01.28 | catay | the only thing they forgot was also hiring the people who used to manage that stuff |
| 20:01.39 | ndim | c) sun orbit. even more expensive, lasts even longer, less remaining microgravity effect. |
| 20:01.39 | Quol | catay - lol...ouch |
| 20:02.04 | catay | currently it's still mananged by the part we didn't take over |
| 20:02.05 | ndim | d) interstellar space. costs a wee bit more, lasts a lot longer, and has almost no gravity remaining |
| 20:02.12 | catay | so we pay tons of money for it |
| 20:02.14 | ndim | Quol: There... that was easy. |
| 20:02.21 | catay | but at the end of the year we have maintain it |
| 20:02.30 | catay | we don't even have access to it even now |
| 20:02.33 | catay | that's gonna be fun :) |
| 20:02.38 | Quol | ndim - lol...ya. I will try and work some of those into the conversations next time I speak with him :) |
| 20:03.02 | catay | but raising concenrs about this all gets waived awa |
| 20:03.02 | catay | y |
| 20:03.12 | catay | everything is under control |
| 20:03.23 | catay | there solution : we gonna hire extra resources and contractors |
| 20:03.26 | catay | *their |
| 20:03.28 | Quol | catay: ya...ouch. that's tough. no root/admin passwords yet or anything? |
| 20:03.31 | catay | nothing |
| 20:03.37 | catay | not even on our network yet |
| 20:03.54 | ndim | hire lulzsec. I hear they are good at getting passwords. |
| 20:04.40 | Quol | lol...better get them quick before they are all in prison thoug |
| 20:04.45 | Quol | *though |
| 20:04.52 | catay | that's the result of people high up taking decisions while only looking at the big picture |
| 20:04.56 | catay | expansion |
| 20:05.20 | ndim | Deciding without considering reality. |
| 20:05.31 | catay | managers are good at that :) |
| 20:05.39 | ndim | As are politicians. |
| 20:05.51 | catay | I wonder how they always stay that positive |
| 20:05.59 | catay | wish i could do it too :) |
| 20:06.12 | ndim | It appears as increasing power correlates with decreasing grasp of reality. |
| 20:06.27 | Quol | lol |
| 20:06.38 | Quol | I will steal that phrase too :) |
| 20:07.06 | ndim | I feel flattered. |
| 20:18.31 | spldart | How about the old quote 'reality is a shared illusion' with 'and the rich don't like to share' added to the end. |
| 20:42.09 | ndim | spldart: That is disparaging. |
| 20:43.01 | ndim | Whereas increasing personal power being correlated with decreasing grasp of reality can be seen as a fact. |
| 20:44.34 | ndim | The nature of power makes it such that the people around the powerful kind of make reality as the powerful like it to be, and that gets reinforced and thus becomes so ingrained into powerful people's subconcious that it must become difficult to actually see reality. |
| 20:45.10 | spldart | personal power.... money... practically synonymous. |
| 20:45.16 | ndim | Of course. |
| 20:46.35 | ndim | But it is the power part that actually affects other people (might be through money, or through other mechanisms), and thus the perceived reality. |
| 20:46.56 | ndim | I would claim that "increasing power correlates with decreasing grasp of reality" is a result of the social dynamics that tend to happen around powerful people. |
| 20:48.06 | spldart | For a conservative libertarian I do oddly hate the 'social dynamic' that occurs around 'powerful people' |
| 20:49.00 | ndim | Conservative? Interesting. I have always wondered what "conservatives" want to conserve. |
| 20:49.15 | spldart | Sort of old fashion moral imperatives melded with rage against the machine. |
| 20:49.25 | Quol | lol |
| 20:49.39 | ndim | Most stuff I hear from the "conservative" corner appears to be aimed at conserving the states we had in the GDR pre-1989 or in the whole of Germany pre-1945. |
| 20:49.41 | spldart | I'm speaking of the political genre of course. And that's just word play. heh |
| 20:50.35 | ndim | Or rather, not actually conserving that stuff (because we didn't have it in the last few years), but reintroduce it. |
| 20:50.59 | ndim | Old fashion moral imperatives. |
| 20:51.34 | ndim | What old fashion? 1950s? 1800s? Ancient Rome? |
| 20:52.29 | spldart | lol |
| 20:53.31 | spldart | tho not religious... think roughly 1940's. I modeled myself after my grandparents. The most successful relationship I've seen in the entire family. |
| 20:53.48 | spldart | With a few changes of course. I've got to be me. |
| 20:54.14 | spldart | well... quite a few changes... But I've tried to keep the core of it intact. |
| 20:54.26 | ndim | Hmm. I guess I have just started a philosophical discussion about morals, which is a bad idea considering it is already one hour past my self-set bed time, but well... here it goes. :) |
| 20:54.58 | spldart | well.. don't get in to much. I'm working. I need to get back to it. |
| 20:55.04 | ndim | Haha. |
| 20:55.25 | spldart | Part of the 1940's was a stronger work ethic than today |
| 20:55.25 | ndim | We can continue this some other time. Looks like an interesting topic. |
| 20:55.55 | spldart | A very, delicate, even dangerous topic |
| 20:55.56 | spldart | hehe |
| 20:56.02 | ndim | Speaking of work ethic... |
| 20:56.05 | spldart | But interesting none the less |
| 20:56.12 | ndim | You could go on working now, and I could go to bed so I can work tomorrow morning. |
| 20:56.18 | spldart | I put in more hours than anyone here |
| 20:56.21 | spldart | oki doki |
| 20:57.28 | ndim | I regret to cut this off right after starting it, but it is better to do so. |
| 20:57.31 | ndim | Have fun everyone. |
| 20:58.11 | ndim | good morning, good evening, good night (cross out non-applicable items) |
| 20:59.53 | spldart | good everything |
