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| 01:50.19 | scott | Quol: i joined your server, but couldnt speak |
| 01:50.37 | Quol | scott, who what where when how |
| 01:50.46 | scott | 5158 |
| 01:50.49 | mviron | scott! |
| 01:50.49 | scott | das_bender |
| 01:50.50 | mviron | wb |
| 01:50.54 | scott | hi |
| 01:51.07 | Quol | are you in the GU league spawn list? |
| 01:51.14 | scott | hell no |
| 01:51.20 | Quol | 5158 is a GU league server - probably why |
| 01:51.27 | scott | yeah |
| 01:51.27 | mviron | sends scott 2,000 lbs of soccer balls |
| 01:51.41 | scott | thats alot of balls |
| 01:52.28 | scott | 5156? |
| 01:52.29 | mviron | yep |
| 01:52.40 | Quol | 5156 - ya - that's public :) |
| 01:52.57 | Quol | ooh - that mean you wanna play some? |
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| 02:21.57 | scott | ... |
| 02:22.02 | scott | enough of that |
| 02:22.05 | scott | nn |
| 02:22.21 | Quol | lol |
| 02:22.28 | Quol | good shooting there scott |
| 02:25.29 | gn00bie | this is Radio Canuckistan? :P |
| 02:25.43 | mviron | sends scott snow |
| 02:27.45 | Landon__ | I wonder who scott was |
| 02:27.47 | Quol | mviron, I need some up here also |
| 02:27.47 | Landon__ | oh ya |
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| 02:28.07 | Quol | he was the weird name guy |
| 02:28.18 | Quol | das whatever |
| 02:28.34 | mviron | sends Quol 40" of snow |
| 02:28.41 | Landon__ | Oh, like the through the wall shot? |
| 02:28.47 | Quol | Landon__, ya |
| 02:28.53 | Quol | mviron, thx :) |
| 02:29.05 | Landon__ | Where I'm at we have snow left over from like 2 months ago lol |
| 02:29.08 | Quol | we desperately need some...the west coast has been getting all our snow! |
| 02:29.18 | Landon__ | Not too much Q |
| 02:29.22 | Landon__ | At least not up north |
| 02:29.28 | Landon__ | Its been weird this year |
| 02:30.25 | Quol | we have almost nothing here in montreal...usually we get a good dumping, and our snow removal technics are famous throughout the world...this year - almost nothing |
| 02:30.47 | Quol | I can still see grass on my lawn in some parts |
| 02:31.23 | Quol | the "piles" are about 1foot high...and that's from december...it hasn't snowed since then really |
| 02:31.46 | Landon__ | The snow machines have been running year round on the mountain, it kind of sucks :( |
| 02:32.03 | Quol | ya...where you located again Landon__ ? |
| 02:32.10 | Landon__ | Montana |
| 02:32.17 | Quol | ahh |
| 02:32.30 | Landon__ | Not the cowboy part either |
| 02:33.13 | Quol | heh |
| 02:33.39 | Quol | well - you could go up north a couple more hours and visit our canadian cowboys in calgary :) |
| 02:34.37 | Landon__ | I've never been to canada |
| 02:34.43 | Landon__ | Its 30 miles from me |
| 02:34.48 | Landon__ | But I've never been there |
| 02:36.09 | Quol | well - I imagine that if you just drove the 30 miiles north that you wouldn't really be impressed...you would be in the middle of the praries...there is nothing there but fields :) |
| 02:36.44 | Quol | it's so empty and flat, that when they made the roads, they made the curve on purpose (it's not straight)...to keep drivers awake |
| 02:36.47 | Landon__ | Don't you guys have a nice theme park somewhere in the big blob of canada |
| 02:36.48 | Quol | seriously |
| 02:37.31 | Landon__ | Canadas flat? |
| 02:37.35 | Quol | we have a bunch of theme parks |
| 02:37.36 | Landon__ | News to me |
| 02:37.46 | Quol | only the prairies are |
| 02:38.07 | Quol | big mountians between alberta and british columbia (the rockies) |
| 02:38.19 | Landon__ | You share those with us |
| 02:38.37 | Quol | and near quebec more big mountain ranges |
| 02:39.12 | Landon__ | If I found a good reason to have a trip to Canada I would go |
| 02:39.22 | Landon__ | but atm it sounds like a giant version of montana |
| 02:40.25 | Landon__ | Just incase you're looking at the screen like :| I'm joking |
| 02:40.37 | Quol | heh :) |
| 02:41.55 | Quol | when I went out west to the prairies (alberta/saskatchewan/winnipeg provinces)...I was amazed at how flat it was...it was kind of like looking at the ocean...accept with fields (went to saskatchewan a while back) |
| 02:42.38 | Quol | all you see is fields and the horizon meet somewhere in the distance...no hills...nothing |
| 02:42.56 | Landon__ | How much of canada is like that? |
| 02:43.22 | Quol | ooh - only the middle part, and there are some big(ish) cities there... |
| 02:44.03 | Quol | ontario province has mountains...and ontario hosts our biggest city - toronto, as well as our capital (ottawa) |
| 02:44.35 | Quol | british colombia (on top of california) is beautiful...with the mountains and all - fantastic skiing |
| 02:45.20 | mviron | sends Landon__ more snow |
| 02:45.32 | Landon__ | Thanks miv |
| 02:45.39 | Landon__ | Ill put it on the mountain |
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| 02:45.47 | Landon__ | Next to my imported trees |
| 02:46.31 | Quol | Landon__, in fact if you watch some of the skiing during the olympics - you will see whistler...one of the biggest skii places in North america |
| 02:48.10 | Landon__ | The snowboarding and skiing in the winter olympics is fantastic |
| 02:48.18 | Landon__ | They have alot of dumb sports too though :D |
| 02:48.40 | Quol | well - it wouldn't be the olympics without some dumb sports.. |
| 02:49.08 | Quol | like the summer olympics...what the heck is with the girl accrobatics ribbon dance thingy |
| 02:49.24 | Quol | I don't get that at all...twirl the ribbon...yay |
| 02:49.56 | Landon__ | Ya |
| 02:50.59 | Landon__ | Colbert made a good point though, luge is like surrendering yourself to gravity :| |
| 02:52.16 | Quol | heh...but at least you go fast...oh, and there are sharp pointy parts that can kill you/hurt you real bad if you wipe out..so that makes it cool - right? |
| 02:52.55 | Quol | I loved watching the jamiacan's do that years ago for the first time...they almost flew off the track - was amusing |
| 02:55.55 | Landon__ | Isn't that a movie? lol |
| 02:56.09 | Quol | that was based on the real thing |
| 02:56.13 | Quol | it happened |
| 02:56.23 | Quol | maybe not quite like the movie...but it did happen |
| 02:57.05 | Quol | the bobsled actually hit the roof on the turns....everyone was scared |
| 02:57.13 | Landon__ | Oh wow |
| 02:57.17 | Quol | thought they would fly right out |
| 02:57.18 | mviron | night all |
| 02:57.18 | Landon__ | Thats awesome |
| 02:57.27 | Landon__ | Night |
| 02:57.30 | Quol | later mviron |
| 03:00.47 | Quol | jamaica has 1 athlete in freestyle skiing! |
| 03:01.20 | Quol | they still be trying mon |
| 03:02.58 | Landon__ | Quol: say beer can with a british accent out loud |
| 03:03.31 | Quol | why - can you hear me from way over there? |
| 03:04.25 | Landon__ | You'll see why |
| 03:04.29 | Quol | oh - and the jamacan bobsled team still exists - but failed to qualify for the 2010 vancouver olympics...they still really be tryin' mon |
| 03:05.23 | Quol | doesn't get it |
| 03:05.49 | Quol | sounds like bee-ah |
| 03:06.10 | Landon__ | you noob |
| 03:06.13 | Landon__ | beer can |
| 03:06.16 | Landon__ | not just beer |
| 03:06.18 | Landon__ | :P |
| 03:07.05 | Quol | beeh con? |
| 03:07.37 | Quol | I will get my coworer in london to say it...maybe then I will get it :) |
| 03:07.44 | Quol | *coworker |
| 03:07.59 | Landon__ | Yeah |
| 03:08.09 | Landon__ | It sounds like bacon with a jamaican accent :| |
| 03:08.31 | Quol | ahh - I can see that |
| 03:08.32 | Landon__ | Maybe your current accent is interfering |
| 03:08.37 | Quol | hehe |
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| 03:23.52 | jomojo | So just to check hell hasn't frozen over, I am not dead, and I still live in Dallas, Texas? Because I just took some measurements on top of my car and in the yard. The least amount of snow as 7.75" and the most was 9". I love it though i am beginning to wonder if something terribly wrong isn't happening. |
| 03:26.20 | Landon__ | No, hell has frozen over |
| 03:26.31 | Landon__ | turn o msn |
| 03:26.35 | Landon__ | bc |
| 03:28.35 | Quol | lol jomojo |
| 03:30.01 | Quol | ya - pretty soon it will be trpoical up here, and you guys will be dealing with all the snow down there :) |
| 03:30.05 | Quol | I could get used to that |
| 03:32.25 | jomojo | Landon__ looked at Vancouver BC weather looks kind of normal for there |
| 03:32.58 | jomojo | Quol I could get used to a lot of things but the impending doom of the planet is not one of them ;) |
| 03:34.15 | Quol | jomojo, just head for the rockies...that way when the planet floods over, you can build a house on top of some peak and have beanfront property |
| 03:34.32 | Quol | *beachfront |
| 03:35.10 | jomojo | Quol: Beanfront property sounds better to me.. I burn to easily for beachfront |
| 03:35.56 | jomojo | Dunno I am actually thanking Mt. Hood In Oregon, I think it is taller and because it is on the coast may be more like my own private island |
| 03:40.06 | Quol | sounds good to me jomojo, when you get it all built, I will bring my BBQ over :) |
| 03:40.36 | jomojo | Great.. i will try to heard a few pigs and cows up to the top of the mountain Quol |
| 03:40.56 | jomojo | herd not heard |
| 03:41.06 | Quol | heh |
| 03:41.19 | jomojo | is very dyslexic |
| 03:42.06 | Quol | I make mistakes like that often enough too |
| 03:42.45 | gn00bie | jomojo: you are very domestic? |
| 03:43.31 | jomojo | domestic? how like as in cooking and cleaning? or as is some sort of weird S&M fetish type thing |
| 03:43.34 | gn00bie | but yeah 9 inches in dallas would be a cause concern |
| 03:43.59 | jomojo | because the answer is yes to one of those |
| 03:44.01 | gn00bie | well, my idea of a domesticated man is someone who has a wife/gf who makes him do stuff he otherwise would not - like cleaning, etc |
| 03:44.25 | jomojo | yeah when i have a gf i am domestic |
| 03:44.47 | jomojo | of if I am trying to get .. shall we say between the sheets with a new one. that too |
| 03:44.58 | gn00bie | I lived in upstate NY for a long time, the town 10 miles to the south got 165 inches over the winter, the town north of me got 338 inches |
| 03:45.12 | gn00bie | I am guessing my driveway was somewhere in the low 200ish inch range |
| 03:45.37 | gn00bie | jomojo: I got married last year, so I am partially domesticated for good now |
| 03:45.54 | jomojo | Well i have been in places like that. Where the upstairs balcony was used as an exit of the house |
| 03:45.59 | gn00bie | but the town north east of me got 72 inches between Saturday morning anf Sunday night |
| 03:46.11 | gn00bie | on top of the 2+ feet already in the ground |
| 03:46.16 | gn00bie | it was comical |
| 03:46.19 | jomojo | indeed |
| 03:46.30 | jomojo | you need a snow cat to get around. sounds like |
| 03:46.30 | gn00bie | but I can tell you that shovelling 200+ inches is not fun |
| 03:46.44 | jomojo | shoveling.. forget that.. get a snow blower |
| 03:47.02 | gn00bie | and I have also lived in places that see 115 in shade during the summers |
| 03:47.16 | gn00bie | and I have also lived in a city that got 35 inches of rain in under 48 hours |
| 03:47.16 | jomojo | When i lived in places that got that much snow i wouldn't even consider that.. |
| 03:47.37 | gn00bie | there is beauty in all extremes, I did not mind any of these 3 places to be honest with you |
| 03:47.45 | jomojo | gn00bie that is dallas 115 in the shade.. at least at times... with 99% humidity |
| 03:48.10 | gn00bie | ok humidity of 99% with 115, never done that |
| 03:48.14 | jomojo | i do not like heat.. burry me alive in snow. but keep me out of the heat. I know, I know i live in the wrong city |
| 03:48.23 | gn00bie | have done 100% humidity with 100 F, or 115 F with 45% humidity |
| 03:50.17 | gn00bie | but I guess that is why texas draws 70 + GW on a hot summer day |
| 03:50.44 | jomojo | meh |
| 04:06.14 | jomojo | it's official 9.4" of snow in Dallas largest single day recorded snowfall in recorded history. |
| 04:22.06 | Landon__ | \\\\\\\\\\ |
| 04:23.05 | Landon__ | my bad |
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| 07:27.28 | ndim | 6 more inches tonight. |
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| 12:44.20 | ndim | Snowmageddon! |
| 12:45.37 | ndim | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eyFiClAzq8 |
| 12:45.45 | ndim | It's the end of the world as we know it / |
| 12:45.50 | ndim | .... |
| 13:18.22 | TheRedBaron | Landon__: montana ? |
| 13:18.32 | TheRedBaron | near Glacier Valley park? |
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| 13:33.40 | kierra | hugs scott |
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| 13:43.20 | Quol_at_work | mornin' |
| 13:48.05 | brad | heya |
| 13:48.21 | Quol_at_work | mr brad - how are things this morning? |
| 13:49.16 | brad | keeping busy at work! mainly on 'ere |
| 13:49.55 | brad | how bout you? |
| 13:51.17 | Quol_at_work | heh - ya...yesterday we had a massive SAN failure which forced 237 x 500GB LUNs to become "dirty" and non-mountable. We had to run filesystem checks on all of them |
| 13:51.28 | brad | eek |
| 13:51.42 | brad | that don't sound good ;) |
| 13:51.43 | Quol_at_work | the end result of that which ended aroun 10PM meant lead to the discovery that 5 of them were totally dead |
| 13:51.54 | Quol_at_work | backups here we come...that brings us to the present :) |
| 13:52.05 | Quol_at_work | I should say restores he were come :) |
| 13:52.36 | brad | lol |
| 13:52.44 | Quol_at_work | but other then that...OK :) |
| 13:52.51 | brad | must be a pretty big place you work for with that much storage |
| 13:53.06 | Quol_at_work | well - direct employee |
| 13:53.09 | Quol_at_work | oops |
| 13:54.58 | Quol_at_work | we have about 3500 (down from 5000) direct employee's, but most of them are engineer's. Lots of code for their projects, and lots of media storage documenting their hardware prototypes |
| 13:55.19 | Quol_at_work | all that means pretty much as much storage as a medical center...we are up to 6PB now |
| 13:56.02 | Quol_at_work | actually that's not really true...a lot of that is reserved for backups/shadow copies to manage the PB's of storage.. |
| 13:56.14 | scott | crawls into work |
| 13:56.42 | Quol_at_work | shares scott's pain |
| 13:56.58 | scott | after the beating i took last night... it was hard getting up |
| 13:57.05 | Quol_at_work | oh scott - how are those bruises coming along from last night's bz-ing ) |
| 13:57.07 | Quol_at_work | lol |
| 13:57.51 | scott | my damn internet connection... |
| 13:58.01 | scott | thats why i stopped playing |
| 13:58.23 | Quol_at_work | oh ya...you had some high latency there...what was with that? |
| 13:58.32 | Quol_at_work | were you on dialup? |
| 13:58.55 | scott | i live in the country |
| 13:58.59 | scott | cant even get dsl |
| 13:59.04 | Quol_at_work | or were you routing traffic through that australian proxy again? |
| 13:59.04 | scott | so i use a wireless isp |
| 13:59.09 | brad | so what do you use all that storage for ?? |
| 13:59.13 | brad | pr0n? |
| 13:59.18 | scott | yes! |
| 13:59.23 | Quol_at_work | lol - no |
| 13:59.34 | scott | oh, you were talking to Quol |
| 14:00.48 | Quol_at_work | thousands and thousands of supporting documents, images, media, code, business related applications (internal sales apps, data wharehousing, marketing research), e-mails, files, blah blah blah..... |
| 14:00.58 | Quol_at_work | I should say millions and millions :) |
| 14:01.39 | scott | vmware vms? |
| 14:01.52 | scott | and how do you back that up? |
| 14:01.56 | Quol_at_work | oh ya, we have an ESX farm of 100 nodes |
| 14:02.16 | Quol_at_work | each node runs between 15 and 30 virtuals |
| 14:02.21 | scott | nod |
| 14:02.33 | scott | no wonder your san is overloaded |
| 14:02.42 | Quol_at_work | we do have spare nodes though...we we can loose about 10 nodes and still be at 100% production |
| 14:02.58 | scott | vmotion++ |
| 14:03.07 | Quol_at_work | exactly...tis a wonderfull thing |
| 14:03.27 | scott | we're getting there slowly |
| 14:03.39 | scott | our nas is being outgrown |
| 14:03.59 | Quol_at_work | very cool...although, when you loose your connectivity to the SAN...you are screwed...all eggs in one basket thing..that's what I don't like |
| 14:04.13 | scott | true |
| 14:04.31 | scott | im assuming you have 8GB fiber connections? |
| 14:04.48 | Quol_at_work | heads will roll in our storage group I am sure...this one was bad |
| 14:04.54 | scott | how much bandwidth comming out of the san? |
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| 14:05.35 | Quol_at_work | we havea mixture between 4 and 8, with 10Gb for the switching fabric |
| 14:05.52 | scott | nice |
| 14:05.53 | Quol_at_work | that's between all the switches etc... |
| 14:05.57 | scott | yeah |
| 14:06.23 | Quol_at_work | ya, what sucks is that we use a virtualization layer from falconstor called IP stor |
| 14:06.34 | scott | why? |
| 14:06.37 | Quol_at_work | that thing (while it has many great uses) keeps going down. |
| 14:07.10 | Quol_at_work | hold on... |
| 14:07.14 | scott | i had a gf like that |
| 14:07.17 | scott | :) |
| 14:09.18 | Quol_at_work | heh - coworker questions and answer session over here :0 |
| 14:09.51 | scott | i need to plan out a san soon |
| 14:09.54 | scott | just picking your brain :) |
| 14:10.20 | Quol_at_work | the falcon stor has many great uses. Imagine vendor neutral methods of replicating SAN data from one vendor to another. Or taking storage of *any* kind and re-using in a SAN type of environment. |
| 14:10.52 | Quol_at_work | all your servers that need SAN space point to falcon, and from falcon you control where that space resides...anywhere. On another server, on a NAS, on FC |
| 14:10.56 | Quol_at_work | doesn't matter |
| 14:11.04 | scott | oh cool |
| 14:11.11 | scott | expcept it sucks ass |
| 14:11.21 | scott | the reliablity part of it |
| 14:11.33 | Quol_at_work | once that is done, know imagine mirroring it in any way possible...take it from a NAS and migrate it to FC invisibly without clients ever knowing |
| 14:12.02 | scott | nod |
| 14:12.06 | Quol_at_work | ya - we have active active nodes for redundancy...but 3 failures in the last year - with this one being the worst |
| 14:12.08 | gn00bie | Radio Canuckistani_IT_Pros? |
| 14:12.24 | scott | come join us gn00bie |
| 14:12.37 | gn00bie | I am neither a Canuckistani, nor an IT Pro |
| 14:13.00 | gn00bie | I am an old style mechanical engineer with a pocket protector, and a slide rule |
| 14:13.02 | scott | all you need is a short skirt and a white tshirt |
| 14:13.10 | scott | oh |
| 14:13.35 | scott | i have a picture of you |
| 14:13.39 | Quol_at_work | yesterday we had our entire sales force in North america and europe (their afternoon) twiddling their thumbs...I think the cost of lost sales/productivity is in the 10's of millions... |
| 14:13.59 | gn00bie | sales force is not productive |
| 14:14.12 | Quol_at_work | needless to say - the "big guys upstairs" aint happy |
| 14:14.21 | gn00bie | Quol_at_work: but sorry to hear about your troubles |
| 14:14.23 | scott | http://www.sbender.net/~scott/pens!!.png |
| 14:14.31 | scott | picutre of gn00bie and his pen collection |
| 14:14.40 | Quol_at_work | scott, can I open that? |
| 14:14.44 | scott | yes |
| 14:14.48 | scott | sfw |
| 14:15.03 | gn00bie | haha, it is shockingly accurate |
| 14:15.04 | Quol_at_work | heh |
| 14:16.47 | Quol_at_work | gn00bie, just to let you know...every year, the bottom 10% of the sales force is fired. While I believe that is horrible management style..this sales team has *lots* of reasons to excell |
| 14:17.15 | Quol_at_work | but ya..I wouldn't want to be sales over here :) |
| 14:17.50 | gn00bie | Quol_at_work: If I ever become the head of something or the other, I will go the Ken Olsen on the sales force |
| 14:17.53 | gn00bie | fire like 90% of them |
| 14:17.58 | Quol_at_work | oh - and scott, for backups - it's a combination of snapshots, and tape backups using de-duplication methods...saves TONS of space. |
| 14:18.17 | scott | um |
| 14:18.24 | scott | de-duplication? |
| 14:18.26 | scott | :) |
| 14:18.51 | scott | thats another thing i need... a new tape library |
| 14:19.11 | scott | other dude here has a hard on for online backups... but im not so sure about that |
| 14:19.26 | scott | as in backing up to another company over the net |
| 14:19.33 | Quol_at_work | ya - it's getting increasingly popular. it looks at the binary level - of all the data that is backed up, and any binary patterns that are the same only get backed up once, and it records how many files have that pattern, and where they go |
| 14:19.46 | scott | ah cool |
| 14:19.56 | Quol_at_work | so when you restore it basically has to re-create the file from all the pointers/data binary patterns |
| 14:20.07 | scott | nice |
| 14:20.11 | Quol_at_work | ya - we were shocked at how much space is saved. |
| 14:20.28 | Quol_at_work | with the standard compression it was like 2.5:1, but de-duplication is like 100:1 |
| 14:20.31 | scott | got a url for me? |
| 14:20.39 | Quol_at_work | combined with compression...great savings |
| 14:20.49 | Quol_at_work | ya sure...hold on |
| 14:20.52 | scott | thanks! |
| 14:22.31 | Quol_at_work | http://www.symantec.com/business/resources/articles/article.jsp?aid=power_of_disk |
| 14:22.40 | Quol_at_work | that's what we are currently using |
| 14:23.03 | scott | cool |
| 14:23.43 | Quol_at_work | although we are trying out tivoli's solution...so we might switch |
| 14:23.48 | Quol_at_work | (IBM) |
| 14:24.02 | scott | yeah, im not a fan of symantec |
| 14:24.15 | TheRedBaron | /me can't stand tapes |
| 14:24.28 | scott | you're not using the right tapes then |
| 14:24.44 | Quol_at_work | it's the only way to go though TheRedBaron ...nothing else |
| 14:25.09 | TheRedBaron | granted i've never had to deal with enterprise level storage. |
| 14:25.31 | scott | multiple TB of storage can be a challenge to backup |
| 14:25.49 | TheRedBaron | yea, i've only had to deal with 500gb - 1TB of backup |
| 14:26.08 | Quol_at_work | scott, look into commVault...they had some really interesting backup solutions |
| 14:26.13 | Quol_at_work | and archiving solutions |
| 14:26.18 | Quol_at_work | was impressed with them also |
| 14:26.21 | TheRedBaron | external docking station for sata Drives = fast, cheap, effective |
| 14:26.48 | Quol_at_work | http://www.commvault.com/ |
| 14:27.02 | scott | external tape library = faster, cheaper, effective, and automated |
| 14:27.20 | TheRedBaron | scott: for enterprise storage, yes. |
| 14:27.25 | Quol_at_work | we tested http://www.commvault.com/solutions-deduplication.html (the only reason we didn't go with them is that we already had a netbackup solution in place) but I really liked these guys' solutions |
| 14:27.38 | scott | cool |
| 14:27.41 | scott | bookmarks |
| 14:27.50 | TheRedBaron | for multiple, un-related single servers. HD is far simpler/easier |
| 14:28.15 | scott | in what way? |
| 14:28.26 | scott | you still need a drive connected |
| 14:28.34 | scott | software to organize it all |
| 14:28.42 | Quol_at_work | and in case you are wondering why would we consider tivoli and not these guys? we have a tivoli setup for all the unixes in place already too) |
| 14:28.54 | scott | yeah, that helps |
| 14:29.29 | scott | so basically you get one fullbackup |
| 14:29.46 | scott | de-duplication is another form of incremental backups? |
| 14:30.47 | Quol_at_work | well not really, de-duplication is used in the backup process...all backups get it |
| 14:30.57 | Quol_at_work | wheather it's full backups or inc/diff |
| 14:31.17 | scott | Reduces up to 90% of backup and archive data stored on disk and tape. |
| 14:31.20 | scott | insnae |
| 14:31.28 | Quol_at_work | one targets which files to backup (full/inc/diff) they other (dedup) removes all the common bits of data between the files |
| 14:31.41 | Quol_at_work | with instructions of how to re-create them |
| 14:31.52 | Quol_at_work | ya - works way cool |
| 14:32.08 | scott | so you get fullbackups everytime? |
| 14:32.19 | Quol_at_work | and commvault has some very cool "wan" backup strategies with dedup...in case you need that |
| 14:32.28 | scott | yeah |
| 14:32.30 | scott | hrm |
| 14:33.01 | Quol_at_work | I like them because it's a product that is seamless - they made it from scratch, and all their products are controlled from the same admin console |
| 14:33.09 | Quol_at_work | they all snap together and work nicely together |
| 14:33.33 | scott | do they have a linux backend? |
| 14:33.36 | Quol_at_work | not like symantec where all the products come from different companies taht were bought out, and then attempted to be glued together |
| 14:33.42 | scott | yeah |
| 14:34.08 | TheRedBaron | I abhore symantec backup software. |
| 14:34.08 | Quol_at_work | linux clients yes...not sure about servers |
| 14:34.42 | scott | we outgrew symantec backup software |
| 14:35.19 | Quol_at_work | netbackup is not your backup exec though...it really is an enterprise product - much differnet then backup exec |
| 14:35.19 | scott | moved our NAS to linux |
| 14:35.19 | scott | yeah ive heard that |
| 14:35.19 | scott | but how long until symantec fucks up netbackup? |
| 14:35.29 | scott | like they have done with everything else? |
| 14:36.06 | Quol_at_work | censors scott and answers "well, it's been years and they haven't yet...but probably sooner or later they will" |
| 14:36.43 | scott | using amanda atm, works well for what we have now |
| 14:36.58 | scott | we just dont have the space to backup vm snapshots |
| 14:37.14 | Quol_at_work | that's cool...I used to use that for all my stuff too |
| 14:37.26 | Quol_at_work | ya..vm's are a hastle. |
| 14:38.19 | Quol_at_work | we treat them like normal servers and backup data only through the network - when it's a virtual disk and not a real SAN chunck |
| 14:38.58 | scott | how do you dump the snapshots somewhere else? |
| 14:39.09 | scott | s/how// |
| 14:46.23 | Quol_at_work | right now we are using falconstor to do our snaoshots - so basically, it snapshots any LUN we want to any other LUN we want, the backup server(s) mount it, anc back it up through netbackup (and dedup happens there) |
| 14:46.36 | Quol_at_work | we could do that in the SAN itself too... |
| 14:50.17 | scott | its ok. go back to your windows me |
| 14:50.25 | scott | er |
| 14:50.28 | scott | wrong window :) |
| 14:52.19 | Quol_at_work | lol |
| 14:58.39 | scott | yeah, im really liking this commvault stuff |
| 15:08.43 | scott | too many things to think about |
| 15:08.49 | scott | my head is exploading |
| 15:09.45 | BulletCatcher | We use CommVault at work for paying customers and Windows systems. It seems to work well technically (i.e., restores work when needed) but license costs are very high, and we seem to spend a lot of time on the phone with their support. |
| 15:10.07 | scott | hrm |
| 15:11.09 | BulletCatcher | Deduplication is fine as long as you don't overdo it. You want to have more than one copy of each file in backups to guard against backup media failure. |
| 15:11.50 | gn00bie | !~shake |
| 15:11.53 | gn00bie | ~shake |
| 15:11.59 | purl | ACTION shakes his booty all over town |
| 15:12.15 | scott | BulletCatcher: ould be perfect for doing offsite replication |
| 15:12.17 | scott | *would |
| 15:18.45 | BulletCatcher | Yes, one set of deduplicated backups offsite and another onsite would be the bare minimum. |
| 15:19.22 | scott | yep |
| 15:19.37 | scott | plus tape backup for archiving |
| 15:33.15 | Quol_at_work | we have a built-in procedure where the tapes that are off-sited are copies of the onsite ones. We offsite a selection of tape backups monthly, which are made up of various weekly backups (not all of them), and those are copies of what we have onsite. That way, we have duplicates or our dedup data should our onsite tape fail |
| 15:33.54 | Quol_at_work | on the building gets hit by a plane...we are right under Montreal's take-off/landing strip - so who knows, maybe that could happen one day |
| 15:34.03 | Quol_at_work | on = or |
| 15:35.45 | TheRedBaron | well, that sounds like fun. |
| 15:38.52 | Quol_at_work | heh - we don't do anything - it's all automated :) |
| 15:38.55 | Quol_at_work | otherwise - ya... |
| 15:38.58 | Quol_at_work | not fun |
| 15:39.04 | Quol_at_work | oooh - you mean the plane part? |
| 15:41.26 | scott | heh |
| 15:43.31 | ndim | Today is my lucky day. I shoveled the street, so I could get the car back home. Took me the better part of an hour. Drive the car home, started unloading it and THEN the municipal snow plough drives through and completely clears the road. |
| 15:43.47 | Quol_at_work | lol ndim |
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| 16:24.58 | TheRedBaron | Quol_at_work: yup - the plane part :) |
| 16:29.04 | scott | http://failblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/epic-fail-news-fail1.jpg |
| 16:29.15 | scott | lulz |
| 16:32.56 | scott | i dont know why i find that so funny |
| 16:32.58 | scott | maybe the look on her face? |
| 16:33.24 | Quol_at_work | is it safe? |
| 16:33.58 | Quol_at_work | nvm - browsing from my server :) |
| 16:34.15 | Quol_at_work | she looks horrified |
| 16:51.00 | scott | yeah |
| 16:56.53 | Quol_at_work | I guess she caught her husband? |
| 16:57.05 | Quol_at_work | she caught him watching that is |
| 16:59.10 | kierra_away | Birdie! |
| 16:59.26 | TheRedBaron | gives Manu a spanish guitar and demands a song |
| 17:07.18 | Manu | TheRedBaron: |
| 17:07.28 | Manu | http://www.webislam.com/?idv=2003 |
| 17:08.09 | ndim | Moo! |
| 17:11.03 | ndim | Haha. Reached and met the driveway on the first try this time. |
| 17:11.51 | scott | heh |
| 17:12.04 | scott | you need winter tires |
| 17:14.28 | ndim | I have M+S tires. |
| 17:14.56 | scott | ? |
| 17:15.04 | ndim | mud+snow, aka "winter" tires |
| 17:15.23 | scott | oh |
| 17:16.37 | ndim | Not quite new, I admit, but still doing the job - unless there is 20cm deep half-compacted snow-like-stuff that is really good at acting like a macroscopic lubricant. |
| 17:17.03 | scott | nod |
| 17:18.21 | BulletCatcher | Woo-hoo! The US won the first race in the America's Cup today by an official margin of 15.5 minutes. |
| 17:18.23 | BulletCatcher | Boat speeds were as high as 28 knots. Those multihulls can really fly. |
| 17:19.13 | Manu | TheRedBaron: another one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3yX401V3IA |
| 17:21.39 | TheRedBaron | throws flowers at Manu |
| 18:20.55 | scott | god damn that sub was good |
| 18:21.05 | scott | cheese steak++ |
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| 18:44.56 | kierra_away | fat fat fat gms |
| 18:45.00 | kierra_away | :D |
| 18:45.10 | scott | :O |
| 18:52.35 | kierra_away | ~hug scott |
| 18:52.36 | purl | ACTION jumps into scott's lap and huggles and *hugs* scott |
| 18:52.41 | kierra_away | argh |
| 18:52.49 | scott | !! |
| 18:52.51 | kierra_away | forget it, scott |
| 18:52.57 | scott | but i cant! |
| 18:52.58 | kierra_away | orange, save me |
| 18:53.05 | scott | puwhahahaha |
| 18:53.23 | kierra_away | these things ALWAYS happen to me |
| 18:53.29 | kierra_away | goes afk |
| 18:55.15 | TheRedBaron | 0.o |
| 18:56.24 | orange | :) |
| 18:58.50 | scott | what did she mean by "gms"? |
| 19:08.12 | kierra_away | grams |
| 19:08.35 | kierra_away | is really afk now |
| 19:14.08 | scott | ohhh |
| 19:14.17 | scott | thought you were taking guided missles! |
| 19:19.49 | scott | *talking |
| 19:25.10 | kierra_away | fat grams from the philly sandwich, silly |
| 19:25.11 | orange | uses thief to steal scott's gm |
| 19:28.48 | scott | no! |
| 19:29.20 | TheRedBaron | gets OO and hides |
| 19:29.47 | Quol_at_work | shoots TheRedBaron with his SB |
| 19:30.17 | Quol_at_work | is too tired to work |
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| 19:43.18 | dexter- | quol_sleeping or Quol_at_work i need you again :) |
| 19:45.29 | Quol_at_work | ya |
| 19:46.38 | Quol_at_work | dexter-, you are interupting my web browsing..I am shoping for a new TV - so hurry it up already! |
| 19:46.52 | TheRedBaron | Quol_at_work: oh? what size? |
| 19:46.57 | TheRedBaron | mine is slowly dying |
| 19:47.00 | dexter- | nevermind Quol :D |
| 19:47.03 | dexter- | bean added me |
| 19:47.07 | dexter- | it was about bzb practice server |
| 19:47.09 | Quol_at_work | lol dexter- ok |
| 19:47.14 | Quol_at_work | ooooh |
| 19:47.19 | Quol_at_work | ok |
| 19:47.30 | Quol_at_work | TheRedBaron, 46 or 50 |
| 19:47.41 | Quol_at_work | looking at the panasonic G15's |
| 19:48.46 | Quol_at_work | all these TV's suck in some way or another though... |
| 19:49.43 | dexter- | be back in a bit! |
| 19:49.49 | TheRedBaron | eh, 46, 50 is far out of my price rang |
| 19:50.05 | TheRedBaron | was thinking more along the lines of 28-32 |
| 19:52.11 | dexter- | wait |
| 19:52.16 | dexter- | Quol_at_work: we do need u |
| 19:52.17 | scott | i have a 42" panny that i paid way too much for |
| 19:56.12 | Quol_at_work | lol dexter- ok |
| 19:58.13 | scott | also, just bought a blueray rom drive |
| 19:58.15 | Quol_at_work | dexter-, you are in the local.play group...you should be able to play? |
| 19:58.28 | Quol_at_work | scott, which panny did you buy? |
| 19:59.49 | Quol_at_work | :wq |
| 19:59.54 | Quol_at_work | :q! |
| 19:59.59 | Quol_at_work | lol - crap |
| 20:03.12 | TheRedBaron | Quol_at_work: wrong terminal ;) |
| 20:03.44 | Quol_at_work | ya..lol |
| 20:07.44 | dexter- | i was already thinking quol was setting the new standards for 2010 emoticons |
| 20:08.42 | scott | Quol_at_work: 42" plasma 1080i |
| 20:08.51 | scott | not sure about the exact model |
| 20:08.57 | scott | but its 4 years old now |
| 20:11.33 | scott | TH-42PX500U |
| 20:11.40 | scott | http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electronics/support/Televisions/Plasma-TVs/model.TH-42PX500U |
| 20:15.18 | Quol_at_work | ahh, well panasonic's are good :) |
| 20:16.59 | scott | aye |
| 20:17.03 | scott | it still going strong |
| 20:26.11 | Landon__ | TheRedBaron: A day late, yes :D |
| 20:31.11 | scott | mr landon |
| 20:32.28 | TheRedBaron | Landon__: Cool |
| 20:32.39 | Landon__ | mr. scott |
| 20:32.50 | TheRedBaron | spent two weeks there a few years back |
| 20:32.57 | Landon__ | You guys must HATE the double underscores |
| 20:33.02 | Landon__ | Oh, which area? |
| 20:33.15 | TheRedBaron | At Glacer national Park |
| 20:33.29 | Landon__ | Oh sweet, I'm a city away |
| 20:34.14 | Landon__ | If you ever visit in the winter go to big mountain, great skiing |
| 20:35.54 | TheRedBaron | I Took a plane to minnisota, met up with some friends and drove the rest of the way there |
| 20:40.35 | scott | Landon__: im still recovering from the spanking i recieved last night |
| 20:40.59 | scott | (bzflag) |
| 20:41.16 | ndim | (and others) |
| 20:43.07 | TheRedBaron | Quol_at_work: when you do get the new TV, hook your computer up and pwn scott with 50 inches! |
| 20:43.36 | Quol_at_work | heh - good idea TheRedBaron :) |
| 20:43.51 | Quol_at_work | although it was fun owning him on 24 inches :) |
| 20:45.04 | scott | i blame latency |
| 20:52.14 | TheRedBaron | has the 3:30 blues :( |
| 20:53.01 | scott | me too |
| 20:53.07 | scott | bored silly |
| 21:07.30 | Landon__ | 3:30 blues |
| 21:07.34 | Landon__ | I like it |
| 21:07.50 | scott | 23 minutes to go |
| 21:08.07 | scott | bunch of clock watchers we are |
| 21:08.49 | Landon__ | whats happening in 23 minutes? |
| 21:09.20 | scott | i get to go home |
| 21:09.28 | Landon__ | Oh boring |
| 21:09.41 | Landon__ | I thought a meteor was coming |
| 21:09.41 | scott | and beat your ass in bzflag |
| 21:09.50 | Landon__ | D:< |
| 21:09.59 | scott | :> |
| 21:10.05 | Landon__ | Ill do the through wall hax |
| 21:10.16 | scott | yeah yeah |
| 21:10.20 | scott | taht was lame btw :) |
| 21:10.32 | TheRedBaron | passes ndim an electric guitar and demands a song |
| 21:10.35 | Landon__ | I did it excellently a few minutes ago |
| 21:10.48 | Landon__ | I landed on the wall and someone jumped at the other side going for the same trick |
| 21:10.55 | scott | cool :) |
| 21:11.00 | Landon__ | I moved back and shot THEM when the hit it as I was falling |
| 21:11.09 | Landon__ | when the hit it |
| 21:11.13 | Landon__ | :| |
| 21:11.25 | scott | heh |
| 21:14.28 | Quol_at_work | Landon__, so I talked with my UK co-worker today, and had him say 'beer can' - and ya -it does sound like jamaican for bacon :) |
| 21:14.44 | Landon__ | Ya, silly candian accent :D |
| 21:15.01 | Landon__ | What do you do btw, your work schedule is weird :P |
| 21:15.03 | scott | hah |
| 21:15.59 | TheRedBaron | Landon__: scott doesn't work. Don't let him fool you |
| 21:16.17 | Landon__ | Was talking to Q |
| 21:16.26 | Landon__ | scott doesn't seem the working type :S |
| 21:16.43 | scott | :( |
| 21:17.07 | scott | i take alot of abuse here |
| 21:17.12 | Landon__ | Sit |
| 21:17.13 | Landon__ | Stay |
| 21:18.28 | scott | humps Landon's leg instead |
| 21:18.36 | Landon__ | Bad dog |
| 21:18.51 | Landon__ | *clips scotts balls off* |
| 21:18.56 | Landon__ | I believe I win |
| 21:19.07 | scott | you cant do taht! |
| 21:19.11 | scott | 11 minutes |
| 21:31.12 | kierra_away | 's NY almost backfired at the bank today |
| 21:31.33 | scott | TOO MANY ACRONYMS |
| 21:31.40 | scott | have a good weekend :) |
| 21:31.42 | ndim | ~scott++ |
| 21:32.31 | TheRedBaron | still hasn't got his song from ndim |
| 21:34.30 | ndim | ?? |
| 21:34.48 | ndim | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLBAQEc9XuY |
| 21:43.29 | TheRedBaron | throws rotten fruit on ndim |
| 21:43.44 | TheRedBaron | we've got the blues.... no need for R.E.M |
| 21:43.50 | TheRedBaron | http://www.youtube.com/watch#playnext=1&playnext_from=TL&videos=aAsCPsJwrgs&v=sjtqXgaDVaE |
| 21:53.04 | ndim | Blues? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4yx3QBr_e4 |
| 21:55.38 | ndim | TheRedBaron: About 1/3 of the music files on my hard disk are tagged as "Blues". |
| 22:27.12 | Quol_at_work | Landon__, I am a senior technology architect - so I really have no set working hours. I build new solutions that meet business needs, and then train first/second/third level support and provide 4th level support. So if/when it gets to me, I have to drop everything and "just fix it" - so no real working hours :) |
| 22:29.15 | tokimi | moos |
| 22:33.33 | Quol_at_work | oh well...time to go home...finally...see you in a bunch of hours all |
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| 22:51.31 | TheRedBaron | ndim: you're an undercover agent for the blues?!? |
| 22:55.59 | ndim | TheRedBaron: Negative on the undercover. |
| 22:56.29 | ndim | np: John Mayall - Undercover Agent For The Blues |
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| 23:13.46 | ndim | *YAWN* |
| 23:15.07 | kierra_away | wonders what scott thinkis about all the _ nicks here :D |
| 23:15.40 | kierra_away | thinks Quol wins the prize for the most at one time |
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