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11:13.19RudyValenciaI feel very bad now.
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11:31.17RudyValencia...
11:32.19whodaman-?
11:32.35RudyValenciaI was transplanting my motherboard in my main computer to another case, I didn't know the case was bad, and it caused the motherboard to fail.
11:32.47whodaman-feels good :>
11:32.48RudyValenciaI only have $50 and need both a motherboard and a case.
11:32.49whodaman-sucks
11:33.03whodaman-go work :P
11:33.06RudyValenciaWhat?
11:33.13RudyValenciaI already have a job.
11:33.40JonathanDgo work mor
11:33.57RudyValenciaI can't work more;.
11:34.08whodaman-get a better paying job
11:34.11JonathanDyes you can.
11:34.19RudyValenciaI've tried to get a better job
11:34.26JonathanDtry mor
11:34.37RudyValenciaI have no qualifications or experience for anything beyond entry-level work.
11:34.50RudyValenciaisn't a rocket scientist
11:35.19JonathanDRudyValencia: then don't get a motherboard and case.
11:35.32RudyValenciaWhat?
11:35.44JonathanDRudyValencia: then don't get a motherboard and case.
11:35.46whodaman-lol
11:35.46RudyValenciaI can't live without a working computer.
11:35.54whodaman-then work more
11:36.00JonathanDeither fix the problem, or live within the constraints imposed by it.
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11:36.15RudyValenciaI'm using a Celeron/500 with 256MB RAM and it's already thrashing the hard disk swapping.
11:36.15JonathanDsaying "can't" to all possible solutions does neither.
11:36.32JonathanDand yes, you can live without a working computer. Otherwise the human race would have died off a long time ago ;)
11:36.43RudyValencia:/
11:36.56RudyValenciaIt's all I have.
11:37.11RudyValenciaI am awkward at social situations
11:37.17whodaman-shouldn't be
11:37.31RudyValenciaI'm always afraid I'll commit a faux pas and say or do something wrong.
11:37.43RudyValenciaI've done it before.
11:38.00RudyValenciaI have been kicked out of places due to my social problems.
11:38.44whodaman-no offense, but you sound a lot like a_met at the moment :p
11:38.54RudyValencianone taken
11:39.01RudyValencia:'(
11:39.08RudyValenciaI feel bad though.
11:39.53RudyValenciaBecause I screwed up my best computer :(
11:39.59RudyValenciaIt's all my fault.
11:40.10whodaman-stuff like that happens
11:40.25RudyValenciaBut I haven't a way to fix it.
11:40.52whodaman-then make it your goal to find a way.
11:41.10RudyValencialike I said I only have $50 and I doubt anyone has a socket 478 motherboard and case for that much
11:41.26whodaman-save the money..earn some more
11:41.26RudyValencia(rather, for that low)
11:41.45RudyValenciaI have important stuff due soon
11:41.47whodaman-You don't have to solve the problem instantly?
11:41.50RudyValenciaand I can't be using this computer.
11:42.00RudyValenciabecause it's thrashing and slow
11:42.16whodaman-borrow the cash
11:42.30RudyValenciaI haven't anyone to borrow from
11:42.36RudyValenciaI can't take out a loan either
11:42.42RudyValencia(no credit)
11:43.11whodaman-Do some quick jobs
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11:44.27RudyValencia?
11:44.41JonathanDRudyValencia: this defeatist attitude gets you knowwhere.
11:46.11JonathanDyou need to do SOMETHING if you want more money.
11:46.12RudyValenciaDo you know where I can get a socket 478 motherboard and case for $50?
11:46.16JonathanDno.
11:46.35JonathanDgo rake some leaves and get another $50 ;)
11:46.39RudyValenciaI'm using a computer that's thrashing it's hard disk
11:47.29whodaman-We've realized.
11:47.33whodaman-This isn't getting you anywhere.
11:47.54whodaman-Go apply somewhere and make it your project/goal to get the required cash.
11:48.47RudyValenciaI'm off from my regular job today
11:48.55JonathanDso go do some work :p
11:49.24RudyValenciaWhere?
11:49.42JonathanDI'll give you $30 to clean up my back yard
11:50.04RudyValenciaWhere do you live?
11:50.13RudyValenciaYou don't live in Greeley, CO do you?
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11:50.28JonathanDno.
11:50.35JonathanDbut I bet you someone else with a messy back yard does.
11:50.37JonathanD:P
11:51.11RudyValenciaI've got things to do and I can't do them without a working computer
11:51.26RudyValenciaread: not thrashing its hard drive trying to keep running
11:54.37whodaman-sigh
11:55.12JonathanDRudyValencia: we've tried to help you.
11:55.43RudyValenciaI'm very depressed.
11:56.07RudyValenciaYou don't understand how I feel to not have a computer that works.
11:56.09sleeptyperme too
11:56.21sleeptypercommits suicide
11:56.48RudyValenciaJonathanD: Imagine that your computer at home bit the dust and you only had $50 to replace it.
11:56.53RudyValenciaWhat would you do?
11:57.06JonathanDI would go get more money.
11:57.09whodaman-buy a new one
11:57.11whodaman-:P
11:57.18RudyValenciaWith $50?
11:57.19JonathanDand then buy a new one.
11:57.24whodaman-NO
11:57.27whodaman-Don't you understand?
11:57.30sleeptyper2nd hand from newsgroups ?
11:57.30RudyValencia$50 doesn't buy even a 486.
11:57.32JonathanDclearly not.
11:57.41JonathanDRudyValencia: post on freecycle asking for one.
11:57.48whodaman-You. Need. To. Eearn. Money. To. Buy. A. Computer
11:57.55RudyValenciaI already have a job
11:58.08whodaman-you wouldn't believe how many people are looking for somebody to do a quick job for $$30
11:58.13whodaman-points to JonathanD
11:58.23RudyValenciaI wouldn't find one today
11:58.30whodaman-RudyValencia: Why are you arguing with us if we are trying to help you?
11:58.45whodaman-Stop being to overly negative and check your local newspaper if you can find somehing
11:59.05RudyValenciaI have checked the newspaper
11:59.17whodaman-then go look around
11:59.18RudyValenciaMost of the stuff there I don't meet the qualifications for.
11:59.22whodaman-C'mon, you're not stupid
11:59.28RudyValenciaI know I'm not stupid
11:59.35JonathanDRudyValencia: you don't know how to rake?
11:59.44RudyValenciaNobody needs raking.
11:59.48JonathanDor mow a lawn?
11:59.49RudyValenciaIt's spring ffs.
11:59.50whodaman-...yes they d
11:59.51whodaman-oo
12:00.00whodaman-or carry out some newspapers or flyers
12:00.02RudyValenciaI don't have a mower.
12:00.02JonathanDor paint something?
12:00.10whodaman-They do
12:00.11RudyValenciaI'm being honest here.
12:00.20JonathanDRudyValencia: my grandmother has a guy come once a week to mow her lawn, using her own mower.
12:00.28JonathanDthey probably have the rake, too.
12:00.35RudyValenciaHow do you expect me to find someone who needs mowing, raking, etc.?
12:00.45whodaman-look around
12:00.45RudyValenciaI need my computer back today :(
12:00.45JonathanDif I hired you to clean my yard, I Would not expect you to bring your own equipment.
12:01.11RudyValenciaI have to fill out a form today and the only way I can do it is using my good computer.
12:01.13JonathanDRudyValencia: you probably will not find someone who needs something done here. Go hang a flyer.
12:01.20JonathanDRudyValencia: or going to the library.
12:01.27whodaman-yeah
12:01.28RudyValenciaThis computer is not capable of filling out the form.
12:01.35JonathanDbut the one at the library is.
12:01.36whodaman-go to the library
12:01.37whodaman-friends
12:01.39whodaman-school
12:01.41whodaman-whereever
12:01.43JonathanDprison
12:01.57whodaman-internet café
12:02.02RudyValenciaI have to submit a file from my computer with the form.
12:02.17JonathanDsurrenders.
12:02.23RudyValenciaI can't access it with this computer because it doesn't support 48-Bit LBS
12:02.25RudyValencia*LBA
12:02.26whodaman-do you have the form?
12:02.28JonathanDRudyValencia: go buy a 486 with your $50
12:02.30RudyValenciaIt's online.
12:02.40JonathanDI have given up.
12:02.49whodaman-then go to the apple store
12:02.51whodaman-or some other store
12:02.52JonathanDtheres a zillion ways you can get more money.
12:02.53whodaman-Radioshack
12:02.55whodaman-I haz pizza
12:02.59whodaman-or a computer
12:03.03JonathanDgo find one.
12:03.31RudyValenciaAnd how do you expect me to get at my files if they're on a hard drive none of my equipment is capable of accessing/
12:03.32JonathanDor post something on freecycle, that you need one
12:04.03RudyValenciaI doubt I'd get a decent computer on Freecycle.
12:04.08JonathanDRudyValencia: you could start my not believing everything is impossible.
12:04.12RudyValenciaI have tried using Freecycle to get a computer before.
12:04.18JonathanDRudyValencia: I have gotten 6 from freecycle
12:04.25RudyValenciaBut they're old ones.
12:04.53JonathanDRudyValencia: my sisters PC, which I got on freecycle, is a 1.5Ghz laptop
12:04.54whodaman-self-pitty really sucks
12:04.58JonathanDwith 1GB of ram.
12:05.09RudyValenciaI really seriously doubt anyone on Freecycle would have a Pentium 4 they are disposing of.
12:05.28RudyValenciaAt least not in my Freecycle area.
12:05.33JonathanDyou don't need a pentium 4
12:05.37JonathanDyou need something that can read the disk.
12:05.52JonathanDnow go, do something.
12:05.55JonathanDcause I'm leaving :P
12:06.09RudyValenciaHow new of a computer can read a 48-Bit LBA disk?
12:08.13RudyValencia*sigh* I guess I won't be getting the new job.
12:08.30RudyValenciaI have to submit my resume, which is on a 200GB hard disk.
12:08.38RudyValenciaMy computers can't read 200GB hard disks.
12:08.47RudyValenciaExcept the one that broke.
12:09.03RudyValenciaSo I guess I can't submit my resume :/
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13:11.40RudyValenciaIs $600 enough money to get a new PC?
13:13.11whodaman-depends
13:13.15whodaman-should be though..
13:13.20whodaman-if you build it
13:19.15JonathanDyou can buy retail for $600
13:19.16JonathanDif you want.
13:19.49JonathanDthese days you could even get a laptop for 600
13:20.11JonathanDcourse, that wouldn't work with your 200GB drive...
13:20.29CBGDe ja vu.
13:20.32CBG:P
13:20.42JonathanDRudyValencia: if all you need to do is read a disk, have you considered buying an IDE controller that can read the 200GB disk with your $50.
13:21.23RudyValenciaI can't use it with this box, because this box's disk is thrashing trying to keep up with things/
13:22.06RudyValenciaI am just thinking of getting a new machine altogether.
13:27.22inchwormsounds like someone is trying to run XP on 98 hardware
13:28.56inchwormyay for -Wall
13:29.11CBGRudyValencia: you really should consider what the main use of the pc is gonna be. for example, if it's for gaming, you'll want to save cash on the cpu and splash out a bit more on the gpu and ram and even consider a new monitor.
13:30.26RudyValenciaI play older games, so no biggy
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18:25.38Slynderdale"Windows 7 takes a different approach to the componentization and backwards compatibility issues; in short, it doesn't think about them at all. Windows 7 will be a from-the-ground-up packaging of the Windows codebase; partially source, but not binary compatible with previous versions of Windows."
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18:27.53L4m3rthey need it so bad, it's not even funny
18:28.26L4m3rcompatibility will be a hassle, but in the end they also have a much-needed opportunity to improve the aging Windows codebase
18:30.37SlynderdaleL4m3r: That means nothing made for Windows XP, Vista, 2000, 98, ect will work on Windows 7
18:30.57L4m3rthey'll provide a crutch of some sort
18:31.05deryniNothing *built* for them will, it doesn't (in that quote) say anything about api.
18:31.15SlynderdaleL4m3r: Nope
18:31.18Gr33nN1nj4http://nopaste.com/p/a6oWLvXMC (99 bottles of beer song in 5 lines)
18:31.56SlynderdaleL4m3r: It sinply won;t be binary compatible, you'll need to compile the program to work just for Windows 7
18:32.27SlynderdaleBy the way, for anyone here who uses Adobe Photoshoop "Adobe Photoshop CS4 Will Be 64-Bit For Windows Only" Basicly all new versions of Photoshop won't work on Linux or Mac OSX anymore.
18:32.35L4m3ryeah, but they'll offer some sort of virtualization toy, or *something* to make old apps work
18:32.46L4m3rSlynderdale: learn how to read
18:32.59L4m3rthey'll only offer the 64bit version of CS4 on Windows
18:33.00Gr33nN1nj4Slynderdale: there is now photoshop express :)
18:33.07L4m3rOSX still gets 32bit
18:33.19L4m3rlinux... not even going to go there
18:33.55L4m3rthey hope to get 64bit for OSX with CS5. unfortunately they basically have to rewrite it in objective-C to do that
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18:35.24L4m3rah crap, I left a paycheck stub in my pocket... and washed those shorts...
18:37.58L4m3rIMO the move to cocoa is rather stupid on Apple's part, because obj-C isn't exactly a cross-platform language
18:39.33L4m3ranyhow, time for class
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