IRC log for ##essy on 20071209

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01:19.30Winny<a_meteorite> I try to say eh, but I think I mispronounce it
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01:20.30venduhello :)
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01:21.10venduhey whodaman
01:21.20whodaman-heya
01:21.27venduhow's it going?
01:21.56whodaman-well, thanks, you?
01:22.04vendunot too bad :)
01:22.08vendubeen fixing some code
01:22.16whodaman-:)
01:22.19venduthe term is a bit faster again, the wm crashes at times :)
01:22.27vendui'll look into it a bit later :)
01:24.05venduinchworm: ping?
01:24.48inchwormyo vendu
01:25.04venduinchworm: yo-yo :P
01:25.17venduinchworm: how's it going?
01:25.17venduinchworm: well, i think i sped the term up a bit for some things
01:25.31inchwormnice
01:25.32vendui realized i was clearing screen by iterating over rendition data in a few places
01:25.40inchwormhehe
01:25.41venduwhereas i could just set a flag variable for that row :)
01:26.02venduso it forces that row to be redrawn =)
01:26.08venduafter scrolling text, for example :)
01:26.29venduhmm
01:26.34inchwormin the case of scrolling text, you have to redo the screen anyway?
01:26.53inchwormor can you store each rendered row in a buffer and just moving them up and redo a new row?
01:27.22venduinchworm: basically have to redo the changed parts of the screen :)
01:27.33ndimNot necessarily.
01:27.46vendundim: well, need to redo the bottom :P
01:27.47ndimIf the app sends the ansi sequence for "scroll one line up", you could do just that.
01:27.58ndimand draw a new bottom line, right.
01:28.03venduyep
01:28.07vendundim: that's how it goes :)
01:28.23venduwell, i use double-buffering for drawing etc... but that's details :)
01:28.49venduinchworm: remind me to give you something to look at when you have time to look at it :)
01:28.56vendundim: you feel adventurous? =)
01:29.08inchwormvendu: finals next week
01:29.12inchwormweeeee
01:29.33venduinchworm: yup, remember that, won't distract you from the studies, no matter how much fun it might be =)
01:30.19ndimvendu: Negative.
01:30.28vendundim: hehe
01:30.44vendujust looking for innocent victims to be bugged by my software :)
01:30.59venduliterally bugged =)
01:31.06ndimI'm busy fighting C, format strings, and 32bit/64 systems. :)
01:31.18vendu:)
01:31.20inchwormwoo, yay for multiple standards
01:31.40ndimAnd if things continue as they are, I might become upstream for e2tools.
01:31.48ndimThe codebase sucks mightily.
01:31.49venducool
01:31.53venduhehe
01:33.03inchwormjust need to be able to harness stupid and mighty suckage...
01:43.29mvironlol JKnife
01:43.49JKnife:)
01:43.58tannerld_AHHHH RUBBER DUCKIES!
01:44.00tannerld_RUN!
01:44.10JKnife...
01:44.19Pumpernickelof, fine
01:44.21JKnifeRubber Duckies is a meme of this channel now?
01:44.35Pumpernickels/of/oh/
01:44.42inchwormheh
01:44.50JKnife:)
01:45.05tannerld_JKnife: yep
01:45.17inchwormresist! resist!
01:45.21venduhehe
01:45.36venduinchworm: you'll need to be a good boy and pass the finals first =)
01:45.45JKnifeI didn't know audacious has a mplayer backend
01:46.04JKnifeoh i need to see if my grades were posted
01:46.37inchwormhehe
01:46.57inchworm2 things.. in Grad school. C is the new F
01:47.10Vampierlol
01:47.13inchwormthe other is that classes aren't equal
01:47.15JonathanDare you saying you can't count?
01:47.19Vampierf=YOU FAIL!
01:47.53inchwormi'm just stating it as it is.  get a C or lower and you do the class over....
01:47.55tannerld_classes aren't equal?
01:48.11inchwormin one class i'm at the tippy top
01:48.12JKnifethey have till the 18th to post :(
01:48.26JKnifeinchworm: i am under grad :D
01:48.27inchwormin the other class, where i've put more time and effort, i'm pulling a B-
01:48.34JKnifeso D is the new F
01:48.49venduhmm
01:48.52inchwormheh
01:49.17vendui might enroll to the closest university later
01:49.28venduperhaps try and become a researcher :)
01:49.35vendu(read: never graduate)
01:49.36vendu:P
01:49.48venduhehe
01:50.04vendumviron: we don't live in igloos in finland =)
01:50.05vendui'm not even inside the arctic circle! :)
01:50.27vendu(i'm pretty close, though)
01:51.03mvironnot an igloo in finland -- an igloo in alaska
01:51.06ndimGNA!!!!!! http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/getfile?taskID=283804&name=build.log
01:51.07inchwormclose enough for my geography skillzzz
01:51.09venduhehe
01:52.41venduhmm
01:53.38ndimNot vterm?
01:54.54vendundim: nah, my ego still fits inside the known universe =)
01:55.22vendundim: seriously, i don't like naming things after myself
01:55.24vendu:)
01:56.27ndimWhen I start working on some feature on someone else's software, I start by marking things /* NDIM */.
01:56.42vendundim: that's a different thing :)
01:56.43venduand ok :)
01:56.48venduthey'll know who to blame :P
01:57.01starshinepeek a boo
01:57.13vendu:)
01:57.15ndimThen as it ripens and starts being ready for inclusion, those comments are removed, and the functions renamed from "void ndim_sucks()" to something more appropriate.
01:57.27vendundim: =)
01:57.45vendustarshine: how's it going?
01:57.51starshineuh
01:57.56ndimAs long as a "grep -r ndim" returns non-empty, there is something wrong.
01:57.56starshineI had an exam earlier
01:58.05starshinedepending on how you think of these things
01:58.12starshineyou can say I flunked abysmally
01:58.24starshineor hey, I was asleep, but still got half the questions right
01:58.34vendustarshine: :P
01:58.34starshinehiya JKnife
01:58.44starshineI think I'll go for the latter
01:58.44ndim~pamper starshine
01:58.45jbotACTION pulls out all the stops, and arranges a 2-hour massage, manicure, pedicure, facial and a full day at the spa for starshine.  In addition, food is catered from the local 5-star restaurants, prepared especially for starshine.  An army of people are available to do anything starshine might wish for!
01:58.49starshinebtw it's really annoying
01:59.00starshinewhy do they have to have these questions on a *morning*!
01:59.06JKnifeohh starshine what time did you have that exam?
01:59.12starshine10:30 am
01:59.17JKnifelucky
01:59.20starshineI'd have loved to sleep in til 1pm
01:59.21JKnifeI had one at 8am
01:59.33starshinethis was ham radio general class
01:59.44starshineand I haven't finished reading through the question pool even once
01:59.54ndimJKnife: 8am is no problem if you consistently get up in time for at least one week beforehand.
02:00.01ndimOtherwise you'll suffer from jet lag :)
02:00.09JKnifei suffered :(
02:00.29JKnifeWhen not in school I goto bed at 6am
02:00.30starshineI might have done well at an 8 am version if I'd actually gotten up at midnight, and crammed for all the exam answers a couple times through
02:00.39starshinethen went to take the test, then went home and zonked.
02:00.48starshineand in fact..
02:01.06starshineif the universe doesnt shape up better this next week I'm very tempted to try it that way
02:02.09JKnifebrb
02:03.22TD-Linuxstarshine: I'm only technician right now
02:03.27TD-Linuxbut they dropped morse code
02:03.31TD-Linuxso I might go for general
02:03.34starshinethey did
02:03.42TD-Linuxor even extra
02:03.48starshineI haven't even finished reading the questions pool yet
02:03.55TD-Linuxbut lots of frequencies and stuff to memorize :(
02:04.02starshineso the fact I got half is more a credit to my ham pals than any books
02:04.20vendustarshine: http://www.cs.nmsu.edu/~msimmons/screenie.jpg :)
02:04.29starshineTD-Linux: well if you want to try to bounce q&a with me on it in pm a lot this week
02:04.31venduthere's a screenshot of rterm for anyone who might want to see it :)
02:04.38starshine:D
02:04.40vendu(thanks to inchworm for putting it online)
02:05.20inchwormno prob
02:05.20TD-Linuxmost of the questions on the technician quiz I didn't need to study
02:05.20inchwormnot my bandwidth :)
02:05.21venduinchworm: :)
02:05.23TD-Linuxvendu, whoa, insane resolution
02:05.28starshine'bandwidth' in their definition is one of the things the definitely eludes me
02:05.31vendutd-linux:  1920x1440 :)
02:05.38starshine<3 big screens
02:05.49starshinethough ironically I want a 10" laptop
02:05.56starshineI doubt I'll get one for xmas :/
02:05.58ndimbandwidth is measured in Hertz. So?
02:06.04starshineuh
02:06.09vendustarshine: 21-inch trinitron tube here :P
02:06.12ndimA 10" laptop with a 30" screen on the desk.
02:06.24starshinedo they mean "which frequencies does it use" or "how much signal really comes through" ?
02:06.29vendui got it for 40 euros + 30 euros for shipping (in finland) :)
02:06.31TD-Linuxhave 15" laptop here
02:06.31vendusecond-hand
02:06.32starshinendim: yeah exactly ;P
02:06.37TD-LinuxI was gonna go for 1920x1200
02:06.41vendupeople just have no respect for good ol' crt's any longer :)
02:06.53TD-Linuxbut I settled on 1680x1050
02:06.56starshinesure I do. lots of respect.  no getting hernia, me
02:07.10TD-LinuxI already got a hernia
02:07.21vendustarshine: yeah, we do, but most don't so it's possible to cut killer deals on second-hand ones :)
02:07.23inchwormhehe
02:07.25starshineif anyone's got a forklift and is willing to pay the frieght they can buy a working old sun monitor off me ;P
02:07.37mvironlol
02:07.40inchwormfrieght would be $50 :)
02:07.48TD-Linuxeasilyu
02:07.49inchwormbut i'm interested :)
02:07.52ndimForklift?
02:07.59ndimFor a frigging monitor?
02:08.15starshinelemme put it this way, the desk it sits on and fails to bend is 3" thick solid
02:08.18inchwormstarshine: how big of a monitor?  and does it take VGA or have a sun to VGA adapter?
02:08.34ndimstarshine: Oh. heavier than 100 lbs?
02:08.58starshineI have 2.  one is a plain sun for an old SS10.  You can have the SS10 too if you offer me a good deal. it has debian on it already
02:09.02ndimTD-Linux: Is the 1680x1050 screen OK
02:09.03starshinendim: probably.
02:09.13starshinethe other one is only almost as heavy
02:09.37starshineand even though it has a 13e... oh heck, an old sun plug, it's been internally converted..
02:09.47inchwormhehe
02:09.49starshineso you need to make some weirdo cord for it to vga
02:10.00vendufear my might dual p3-450 from 1999 :)
02:10.07vendumighty even
02:10.17starshinevendu: ooh, gemini used to be a dual 550
02:10.21ndimOne of the really nice monitors from 1990, from world company NEC, and design from a small company from a small town in the Black Forest.
02:10.23starshinebefore the motherboard broke
02:10.34vendustarshine: still got the p3 modules? are they katmai? :)
02:10.35starshinegemini's on its third mb now ;P
02:10.40starshineuh
02:10.56starshineif I check my hardware shelf, yeah, I might still have them reachable
02:11.07vendustarshine: wanna send them over? :P
02:11.12starshinegemini's new mb was an old one from weirdstuff
02:11.27starshineit can handle the 2g memory I had (the other one couldn't)
02:11.35ndimVictory! This is so stupid.
02:11.36venducool :)
02:11.39starshineand it has a faster cpu
02:11.44inchwormndim: congrats
02:11.45starshineand is dual capable
02:12.02starshinebut I am reluctant to bother putting a 2nd one in
02:12.08ndimx86_64 defines __u64 as "long unsigned int", and uint64_t as "long long unsigned int".
02:12.25starshineconsidering the bonehead who designed this mb solid-wired a 4mb video card into its agp circuit
02:12.27vendundim: that's not cool
02:12.28starshinedorks
02:12.38Gursikhyou dork
02:12.44vendustarshine: doh :(
02:12.50ndimSo gcc complains on x86_64 if you have printf("%" PRIu64, (__u64)13);
02:13.00TD-Linuxndim, yeah it is fine
02:13.12starshinewhoever did that to a poor lil motherboard should have his EE degree taken away
02:13.25starshineand that's who I was referrign to
02:13.28TD-Linux1920x1200 would be a pain for per-pixel photo editing
02:13.36TD-Linuxas the individual pixels would be barely visible
02:13.41inchwormheheh
02:13.47Gursikhyou should be stripped of every award you "won" in the second grade starshine
02:13.47starshineI think that'd be delightful
02:13.48TD-Linuxit would make fonts look REALLY nice tho :)
02:13.50Gursikhyou cheater!
02:13.51inchwormtake that EEs nerd points awaaay
02:13.55starshineI love teeeny tiny pixels
02:14.13starshineGursikh: how did you know if I did or didn't win any awards in 2nd grade?
02:14.25Gursikhoh, I know all about it
02:14.31venduhmm
02:14.43GursikhI heard about those alleged things you did in second grade!
02:14.53starshinealright that's quite enough
02:14.58venduGursikh: no need to be nasty on starshine :P
02:15.13GursikhI wasn't meaning to be nasty
02:15.18venduhehe
02:15.22GursikhJust saying I heard cheated in second grade
02:15.24starshineGursikh: this is allegedly a friendly place. I was ragging on a third party. you're getting personal. take it back.
02:15.29starshineNOW.
02:15.38Gursikhsorry sorry
02:15.39starshineyou're also slandering. it's not cool :(
02:16.07starshine-_-
02:16.11vendu:P
02:16.16inchworm:P>-<
02:16.16inchworm:P\-|
02:16.16inchworm:)/-|
02:16.16inchworm:D/-<
02:16.24inchwormdance script to the resuce!
02:16.30JonathanD:P
02:16.38starshineI was trying to have fun
02:16.42starshinehe ruint it :'(
02:16.43venduthe chan must be the promised land of spam scripts :P
02:17.16inchwormstarshine: he didn't mean to and he apologized, smile and enjoy :)
02:17.25starshineok
02:17.41starshinebut I've never cheated at anything :(
02:17.54vendustarshine: good girl =)
02:17.59inchwormhehe, better than me then by far :)
02:18.24venduhmm
02:18.49starshinesome days I wonder why I even try -__
02:19.04venduinchworm: i would've given them to her anyway! :P
02:19.04inchwormcause it beats the alternatives silly :)
02:19.11inchwormhehe
02:19.48venduthat line's easy to cross sometimes :)
02:19.53vendubeen there, done that =)
02:19.57vendu(not with starshine, though)
02:20.32TD-Linuxfor the first 6 months after I discovered the intrawebz, the line was so far off behind me I couldn't even see it
02:20.38venduanyone else here into progressive/psychedelic rock? =)
02:20.50venduhehe
02:20.53vendutd-linux: :)
02:21.10TD-LinuxI have no idea what that kind of rock is
02:21.29inchwormmakes you hear the color 9
02:21.30vendutd-linux: well, i guess pink floyd would work as an example :)
02:21.35venduhehe
02:21.54venduwell, if someone likes cool stuff, check out the (late finnish) band 'kingston wall' :)
02:21.57TD-Linuxhmm my music collection currently consists of a couple Christmas CD's my mom listens to
02:22.07TD-LinuxI should probably start looking for music I like.
02:22.08starshinemy music collection is about 70% filk
02:22.17inchwormhehe
02:22.21starshinesome mannheim steamroller and other weird stuff
02:22.32vendustarshine: filk? =)
02:22.37starshinepeople with efforts toward inspiration and craftsmanship
02:22.40starshineuh yeah..
02:22.48venduwhat's filk mean? :P
02:22.51inchwormit's pretty cool
02:22.55TD-LinuxI have some manheim
02:22.57vendui'm not a native speaker :)
02:23.09TD-LinuxI have no idea what filk is
02:23.10venduah, it's a band? =)
02:23.14inchwormi haven't listened to a lot of it, but the couple clips i listened to weren't bad :)
02:23.14starshinewell, the best definitions have the disadvantage of also implying some things that it's not
02:23.18vendutd-linux: that makes it the two of us :)
02:23.22starshinefilk = scifi fannish music
02:23.31starshinemuch of which is acoustic but some isn't
02:23.40venduah
02:23.43starshinemuch of which is 'folk music' style but some isn't
02:23.52starshinemuch of which is silly but some isn't...
02:23.56venduin some way, the concept of sci-fi or 'space' music reminds me of hawkwind =)
02:24.11starshinegood space music is all considered fannish, but some of it isn't filk
02:24.19starshineor would at least be considered 'found filk'
02:24.34starshineimplying, these people are fannish, they just don't know it yet
02:24.42starshine<3 Telstar
02:25.31starshinesome filk music is fantasy more than sciency
02:25.41starshineand some of it is... stranger than that
02:25.46vendu:)
02:25.49vendustrange is cool
02:25.51vendu:P
02:26.19starshinethere've been some fine stuff inspired by star wars and other spacefaring scifi movies or shows where the shows or movie aren't referenced at all
02:26.27starshineand they're just plain good music
02:26.57vendui feel like listening to some old metallica stuff :)
02:27.00venduso i'll do just that :)
02:27.03starshineone friend of mine whose sense of music is kind of picky, heard some ...
02:27.10starshineI have no idea if he liked it or not...
02:27.20starshinehe said "for you it's the lyrics, isn't it"
02:27.35starshineand I don't really have the spirit to explain it more
02:27.40starshinemost filk has lyrics
02:27.54starshinebut some doesn't, and that's now how I define which of it is best or even good
02:28.01starshineit has to inspire..
02:28.14starshineand what I always liked best about filk can't be caught on a tape
02:28.29starshine...it's something to do together, where nobody has to lose
02:28.38starshinewhere as a child I was as welcome as anyone else
02:28.45starshine....I belonged there.
02:29.04vendu:)
02:29.26inchwormhttp://www.prometheus-music.com/eli/virtual.html  <--some filk downloads
02:29.35starshineyeah, not a limited set
02:29.43starshinetune into the filk radio for about 3 weeks
02:29.50starshineyou'll get some sense of mixes
02:30.18starshineI can name some of the more talented artists whose stuff is considered filk and who have their music up for download
02:30.32starshine'course I like the computer techie stuff
02:30.45starshineand for those, yep hehe at least part of it is the lyrics ;P
02:30.51inchworm:)
02:31.30ndimHmm. Reminds me. I should finish writing my "Admin Blues".
02:32.23inchworm:)
02:32.33starshinendim: geekhackfilk.com
02:32.42starshinetony's got some goodstuf for sysadmins ;>
02:33.18JonathanDpfff AndrewB
02:33.24JonathanDyou share a channel with the guy!
02:33.27JonathanDawilcox: ping.
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02:33.29starshineI should just go study my exams stuff :/
02:33.38JonathanDAndrewB: meet awilcox
02:33.46JonathanDawilcox: meet AndrewB
02:33.53ndimstarshine: I conceived that song on the 60 minute bicycle ride to the datacenter to fix something. Frankly, I became bored on that bike, so I started to sing. :)
02:34.00inchwormrawr.. study study study
02:34.12starshineyeah a lot of kanefsky's stuff was written that way..
02:34.20ndimOK, it has the advantage to scare away wild boars.
02:34.39starshinehow'd you know he has that opinion of his voice :)
02:34.56ndimI don't.
02:34.59starshinesad too. I know someone whose voice is close to that awful. his is merely ordinary
02:35.02ndimBut I know :)
02:35.12ndim(how the local boards behave).
02:35.35ndimIf I make some noise, they hear me and react by getting away.
02:35.44ndimOtherwise, I just end up in the middle of them.
02:35.46starshineI'm going to go hide in a warm bed with a book now.
02:36.01ndimGreat idea.
02:36.07starshineinchworm: yeah pretty much
02:36.08ndimHave fun.
02:36.13starshineI get no time at all during the week
02:36.14venducya starshine
02:36.18starshinealmost even any for sleeping :/
02:37.00AndrewBis he as;eep?
02:37.56starshineis who asleep?
02:37.59starshineI wish I was :/
02:38.49JonathanDAndrewB: probably :P
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02:58.19VampierMilami !!!
02:58.44Milamihi Vampier!
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04:19.50tannerld_night all
04:19.56inchwormnight tannerld_
04:20.08whodaman-nigh tannerld
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06:32.17awilcoxJonathanD: ?
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20:24.50venduhello :)
20:25.11whodaman-hiya vendu
20:25.25venduhey whodaman :)
20:25.25venduhow's it going?
20:28.03whodaman-oK, should be studying :|
20:28.09vendu:S
20:29.29vendui need to fix something in my project for linux systems :)
21:00.46NthDegreeanyone here good with C++?
21:01.55NthDegreeI have sorta come up with a (stupid) idea to learn a bit of C++ and want to learn how to process strings
21:02.16NthDegreeit's basically a webserver that runs under xinetd
21:02.31KiiraniI think I tried c++ once.
21:02.35KiiraniGave up
21:02.53NthDegreehttp://pastebin.ca/810317 <-- I would like to know how to process all the incoming strings
21:03.41whodaman-I think L4m3r might be able to help you
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