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| 03:00.09 | *** topic/##essy is Welcome to the home of SportChick's friends & family || ""Be slow to fall into friendship; but when thou art in, continue firm and constant." - Socrates || Let's discuss: How could the ducati league be improved? || |
| 03:46.02 | cosmos | hrm |
| 03:57.04 | Mr_Molez | :p |
| 04:10.51 | SportChick | ? |
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| 04:11.53 | Mr_Molez | ;) |
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| 08:30.28 | Upsetter | morning, hmm. did i missed something? where is guu? |
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| 13:45.48 | SportChick | longhair: hiya |
| 13:45.57 | longhair | hi SportChick |
| 13:46.21 | SportChick | longhair: what's going on? |
| 13:46.54 | longhair | Just trying to get some appointments setup. |
| 13:47.16 | longhair | Have to shoot some rooms at 5 different apartment complexes by thursday |
| 13:47.24 | SportChick | wow |
| 13:47.33 | SportChick | hey did things ever work out on that DC job? |
| 13:47.57 | longhair | The lady called, left a message, I called her back, left a message, and never heard back... |
| 13:48.24 | longhair | nice try though :) |
| 13:48.30 | longhair | thx for the recommendation |
| 13:48.32 | brad | win 20 |
| 13:48.41 | SportChick | awww, sorry about that |
| 13:48.57 | SportChick | brad: hrm? |
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| 13:49.07 | SportChick | Saturos: hi there |
| 13:49.10 | brad | just ignore me:) |
| 13:49.20 | SportChick | ~ignore brad |
| 13:49.22 | jbot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, brad!" |
| 13:49.25 | brad | yay |
| 13:49.35 | longhair | ah, didn't know jbot had a gender... |
| 13:49.49 | SportChick | Saturos: seems I started looking for you last night, but now I can't rmeember what I wanted |
| 13:49.57 | SportChick | ohhh yes I can :) |
| 13:50.13 | SportChick | ~gender |
| 13:50.15 | jbot | I'm lesbian |
| 13:50.21 | longhair | lol |
| 13:50.23 | SportChick | ~gender brad |
| 13:50.24 | jbot | brad is female |
| 13:50.32 | SportChick | ~gender longhair |
| 13:50.34 | jbot | longhair is hermaphroditic |
| 13:50.36 | longhair | lol |
| 13:50.40 | SportChick | ~gender Saturos |
| 13:50.41 | jbot | Saturos is male |
| 13:50.41 | brad | grr |
| 13:50.49 | longhair | yay, she got one right |
| 13:50.54 | SportChick | ~gender Hirion |
| 13:50.56 | jbot | Hirion is cowboyneal |
| 13:51.00 | SportChick | ~gender me |
| 13:51.02 | jbot | sportchick is female |
| 13:51.06 | SportChick | :) |
| 13:51.09 | longhair | hehe |
| 13:51.29 | longhair | jbot: no, ~gender longhair is male |
| 13:51.30 | jbot | longhair: okay |
| 13:51.37 | longhair | ~gender longhair |
| 13:51.38 | jbot | longhair is hermaphroditic |
| 13:51.39 | Manu | good morning SportChick :) |
| 13:51.42 | longhair | doh |
| 13:51.43 | SportChick | lol |
| 13:51.47 | SportChick | Manu: hi there |
| 13:51.51 | SportChick | ~wake Saturos |
| 13:51.52 | jbot | Saturos: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 13:52.07 | longhair | jbot: ~gender longhair is male |
| 13:52.08 | jbot | i already had it that way, longhair |
| 13:52.26 | longhair | ~gender longhair |
| 13:52.27 | jbot | longhair is neuter |
| 13:52.29 | Saturos | hey :) |
| 13:53.05 | SportChick | hehe |
| 13:53.21 | SportChick | Saturos: when are you going to start posting the funny responses you got? I keep checking but nothing :( |
| 13:54.13 | Saturos | SportChick: I'll do it the day after tomorrow... |
| 13:54.41 | Saturos | I've lost the fun a bit due to very few feedback. |
| 13:54.53 | SportChick | Saturos: awww :( |
| 13:55.04 | SportChick | ~gender saturos |
| 13:55.06 | jbot | saturos is neuter |
| 13:55.08 | Saturos | But I'll do it for you. :D |
| 13:55.22 | SportChick | many people are in finals right now, satu - it could be why you've had little response |
| 13:55.43 | SportChick | ~gender longhair |
| 13:55.45 | jbot | longhair is male |
| 13:55.48 | SportChick | hrm |
| 13:56.06 | SportChick | ~gender longhair |
| 13:56.07 | jbot | longhair is neuter |
| 13:56.08 | brad | ~gender me |
| 13:56.09 | jbot | brad is neuter |
| 13:56.19 | SportChick | alright, who broke jbot? |
| 13:56.24 | brad | ~gender ChanServ |
| 13:56.25 | jbot | ChanServ is neuter |
| 13:56.25 | SportChick | ~gender sportchick |
| 13:56.28 | jbot | sportchick is cowboyneal |
| 13:56.33 | SportChick | hrmph |
| 13:56.36 | brad | eheh |
| 13:56.42 | SportChick | ~lart everyone |
| 13:56.52 | SportChick | ~gender SportChick |
| 13:56.53 | jbot | SportChick is neuter |
| 13:58.58 | SportChick | ~x de en erzeahl die geschichte weiter, du kannst noch mehr von diesen minilügen einbaun :) |
| 13:59.18 | SportChick | hrmph |
| 13:59.20 | SportChick | not helpful |
| 13:59.33 | romfis | what |
| 13:59.44 | longhair | sheesh, jbot is getting a bit violent... |
| 13:59.46 | SportChick | romfis: the translator didn't help much |
| 14:00.32 | romfis | that?: erzeahl die geschichte weiter, du kannst noch mehr von diesen minilügen einbaun |
| 14:00.44 | SportChick | ja |
| 14:00.59 | SportChick | ich verstehe "erzeahl" und "einbaun" nicht |
| 14:01.09 | SportChick | und "miniluegen" |
| 14:01.56 | romfis | moment |
| 14:02.50 | romfis | tell stories |
| 14:02.50 | romfis | installing |
| 14:02.51 | romfis | mini-lies |
| 14:03.26 | SportChick | ~romfis++ |
| 14:03.37 | romfis | or small lie |
| 14:03.49 | SportChick | thanks romfis!! |
| 14:03.52 | SportChick | ~romfis++ |
| 14:03.55 | romfis | k ;-) |
| 14:04.34 | Saturos | Yep... continue telling the story, you can build in more of these mini-lies. |
| 14:04.50 | SportChick | thanks satu :) |
| 14:04.57 | Saturos | romfis did the job. :) |
| 14:05.03 | SportChick | yes he did :) |
| 14:05.09 | SportChick | romfis is GREAT! |
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| 14:05.18 | romfis | hehe, :P |
| 14:05.32 | SportChick | uhoh ssssshhhhh, he's here ;) |
| 14:08.17 | romfis | lol |
| 14:09.32 | bryjen | who? what?? where??? |
| 14:10.00 | SportChick | hehe |
| 14:10.04 | SportChick | just teasing bryjen :) |
| 14:10.22 | romfis | :P |
| 14:11.05 | bryjen | :) |
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| 14:14.45 | SportChick | hi gilly! |
| 14:14.58 | SportChick | bryjen: seriously though...good to see you :) |
| 14:24.10 | longhair | jbot: no, gender longhair is male |
| 14:24.12 | jbot | longhair: okay |
| 14:24.17 | longhair | ~gender longhair |
| 14:24.19 | jbot | longhair is neuter |
| 14:24.21 | longhair | doh |
| 14:27.07 | [dmp] | jbot: what is gender longhair? |
| 14:27.10 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, [dmp] |
| 14:27.19 | [dmp] | jbot: what is gender? |
| 14:27.21 | jbot | [dmp]: what are you talking about? |
| 14:30.20 | longhair | gender is whether your are male or female |
| 14:30.39 | longhair | for example, SportChick's gender is female |
| 14:30.57 | longhair | ~gender [dmp] |
| 14:30.59 | jbot | [dmp] is cowboyneal |
| 14:31.10 | longhair | have no clue what the cowboyneal bit is.... |
| 14:31.13 | SportChick | longhair, that's what you get for trying to cheat |
| 14:31.19 | SportChick | ~cowboyneal |
| 14:31.20 | jbot | i guess cowboyneal is a fool's fool. |
| 14:31.20 | [dmp] | cartoon character :-) |
| 14:31.26 | [dmp] | ow |
| 14:31.34 | longhair | hehe |
| 14:31.44 | longhair | ~SportChick |
| 14:31.46 | jbot | a fast-typing, mistake making, fun-loving, koolaid-drinking chick |
| 14:31.54 | [dmp] | ~lart jbot |
| 14:31.59 | SportChick | ~longhair |
| 14:32.00 | jbot | hmm... longhair is a hippie |
| 14:32.07 | SportChick | hehe |
| 14:32.08 | [dmp] | ;) |
| 14:32.12 | longhair | lol |
| 14:32.13 | SportChick | ~[dmp] |
| 14:32.14 | jbot | hmm... [dmp] is the flying instructor |
| 14:32.20 | SportChick | hrm? |
| 14:32.28 | longhair | is it the same every time... |
| 14:32.28 | [dmp] | Old "team name" :) |
| 14:32.32 | SportChick | ~SportyGal |
| 14:32.34 | jbot | I heard that SportyGal is a serious, work-version of SportChick, often times busy, afk and completely unlike the SportChick we all know |
| 14:32.44 | SportChick | ~SC-phone |
| 14:32.46 | jbot | SC-phone is a light version of SportChick, with reduced abilities and without multiprocessing or multi-tasking |
| 14:32.57 | SportChick | rofl |
| 14:33.05 | longhair | hehe |
| 14:33.14 | bryjen | "gender *" is itself a factoid. so you can't set a specific "gender foo" |
| 14:33.22 | longhair | ah |
| 14:33.36 | bryjen | jbot: literal cmd: gender (.*?) |
| 14:33.38 | jbot | "cmd: gender (.*?)" is "($1): $1 is (male|female|cowboyneal|hermaphroditic|neuter)" |
| 14:33.51 | bryjen | it'll pick one of those at random |
| 14:34.01 | [dmp] | In the "old days" i used it - i was teaching tanks to fly.. but that was in the good when-i-was-better-at-bzflag days :) |
| 14:34.39 | SportChick | [dmp]: ahhh |
| 14:44.52 | Nidhoggr | thanks for the email chickie. I'll work on help stuff. |
| 14:47.36 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: no problem |
| 14:48.02 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: if you go back a few months, i sent an email around with the text of the help messages. It's a bit out of date. I can try and find something more recent if you're interested |
| 14:48.19 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 14:48.31 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: is that a yes? :p |
| 14:49.12 | Nidhoggr | if you find more stuff, I'll add it all together and select the best of the lot. |
| 14:49.40 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: ok, I'll see what I can scare up :) |
| 14:49.56 | SportChick | some of it was specifically ctf-geared, so would need to be edited for non-ctf server |
| 14:50.05 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 14:51.04 | Nidhoggr | I'm starting to vamp up my internet servers and stuff. adding stuff and upgrading, etc. |
| 14:53.16 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: you've got another email coming your way - I have one more thing to try and lay my hands on |
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| 14:53.48 | Nidhoggr | okie. I'll review it all after I get back from work. :) |
| 14:54.17 | SportChick | Nidhoggr: good deal |
| 14:54.19 | SportChick | tokimi: hi there |
| 14:54.24 | Nidhoggr | afk |
| 14:54.30 | tokimi | hey chicky |
| 14:54.54 | SportChick | have fun at work, Nidhggr |
| 14:55.00 | SportChick | Nidhoggr, even :) |
| 15:18.35 | SportChick | ~orange++ |
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| 15:37.48 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 15:39.08 | SportChick | wb Saturos |
| 15:39.14 | Saturos | :) |
| 15:41.23 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 15:42.01 | Saturos | ~CBG-- |
| 15:42.10 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 15:42.17 | Saturos | ~CBG-- |
| 15:42.25 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 15:42.41 | Saturos | ~CBG-- |
| 15:43.02 | CBG | ~Saturos++ |
| 15:43.15 | bryjen | karma CBG |
| 15:43.26 | CBG | ~karma |
| 15:43.26 | jbot | cbg has karma of -151 |
| 15:43.26 | bryjen | jbot: karma CBG |
| 15:43.26 | jbot | cbg has karma of -151 |
| 15:43.38 | bryjen | jbot: Saturos |
| 15:43.43 | Saturos | bryjen, are you a dev? |
| 15:43.45 | bryjen | jbot: karma Saturos |
| 15:43.45 | jbot | saturos has karma of 73 |
| 15:45.04 | bryjen | only a little bit |
| 15:45.11 | Saturos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.53 | CBG | you could leave jeff a memo! ;) |
| 15:46.06 | Saturos | No, I cant. :P |
| 15:46.14 | Saturos | I could if I knew how. |
| 15:46.40 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:47.05 | Saturos | Oh, I got trepan. |
| 15:47.19 | Saturos | But thanks! I'll check it out. ;) |
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| 18:12.21 | SportChick | MUR!!!! |
| 18:12.28 | CBG | OMG!!! :P |
| 18:12.28 | *** mode/##essy [+v Mur] by SportChick |
| 18:12.46 | SportChick | Mur: just talk :) |
| 18:12.57 | CBG | hey Mur :) |
| 18:15.53 | SportChick | ~wake mur |
| 18:15.54 | jbot | mur: GOOD MORNING!!! |
| 18:16.55 | *** kick/##essy [Mur!n=SportChi@69-167-25-130.stmnca.adelphia.net] by SportChick (bye) |
| 18:17.16 | tokimi | SportChick: lol |
| 18:17.42 | SportChick | he's not really here :) |
| 18:17.57 | tokimi | :P |
| 18:19.00 | CBG | SportChick: meanie :P |
| 18:19.12 | SportChick | ~cbg++ |
| 18:19.19 | CBG | bah!! |
| 18:19.21 | tokimi | ~CBG-- |
| 18:19.23 | CBG | ~SportChick-- |
| 18:19.26 | CBG | yay |
| 18:19.28 | tokimi | ~SportChick++ |
| 18:19.28 | CBG | ~tokimi++ |
| 18:19.29 | SportChick | :( |
| 18:19.33 | CBG | :P |
| 18:19.38 | *** kick/##essy [CBG!n=SportChi@69-167-25-130.stmnca.adelphia.net] by SportChick (SportChick) |
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| 18:19.50 | SportChick | my channel, my rules |
| 18:19.52 | CBG | KickChick :P |
| 18:20.06 | tokimi | nah, lagchick |
| 18:20.08 | tokimi | :D |
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| 18:20.28 | CBG | laggykick |
| 18:20.30 | CBG | :| |
| 18:20.34 | SportChick | Mur: hiya |
| 18:20.40 | CBG | hey Mur |
| 18:20.40 | Mur | hello? |
| 18:20.41 | *** mode/##essy [+v Mur] by SportChick |
| 18:20.48 | Mur | hey it works ;) |
| 18:21.06 | Mur | hi cbg |
| 18:21.28 | *** part/##essy mozul (n=KBC18135@aba714.aero.org) |
| 18:21.31 | CBG | :) |
| 18:21.47 | CBG | heh |
| 18:23.01 | tokimi | ~SportChick++ |
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| 18:37.15 | SportChick | hi mur |
| 18:37.52 | Mur | hi |
| 18:37.55 | tokimi | ~welcome mur |
| 18:37.57 | jbot | [all in unison] Hi, mur! |
| 18:38.06 | CBG | Hi, mur! |
| 18:38.15 | CBG | oops, sorry... was a bit slow then :) |
| 18:39.31 | Mur | hi folks |
| 19:02.09 | SportChick | ~lart Mur |
| 19:02.42 | SportChick | TheRealMur: hi there |
| 19:02.54 | TheRealMur | yay |
| 19:04.01 | TheRealMur | tok |
| 19:04.05 | TheRealMur | nhuh? |
| 19:04.21 | tokimi | hmm mur? what sup |
| 19:04.29 | SportChick | he's testing |
| 19:04.32 | tokimi | what sup* |
| 19:04.48 | tokimi | ack |
| 19:04.48 | SportChick | trying to learn to use autocomplete |
| 19:04.49 | TheRealMur | tokimi: hi? |
| 19:04.49 | tokimi | (whats up*) |
| 19:04.51 | tokimi | TheRealMur: hi :) |
| 19:04.56 | TheRealMur | it worked ;) |
| 19:05.02 | SportChick | ok |
| 19:05.05 | SportChick | now for the REAL test |
| 19:05.11 | SportChick | close xchat and restart it |
| 19:05.15 | TheRealMur | great |
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| 19:05.47 | SportChick | hrm |
| 19:05.51 | SportChick | you didn't autoidentify |
| 19:05.55 | SportChick | grrrr |
| 19:06.00 | TheRealMurk | huh? |
| 19:06.04 | TheRealMurk | where? |
| 19:06.06 | SportChick | hold on |
| 19:06.09 | TheRealMurk | hehe |
| 19:06.11 | SportChick | I missed part of the set up |
| 19:06.22 | TheRealMurk | shame on you :) |
| 19:07.55 | SportChick | hehe "Murk" |
| 19:08.14 | SportChick | hehe |
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| 19:08.22 | SportChick | yay! |
| 19:08.26 | SportChick | it worked :) |
| 19:08.32 | TheRealMur | yippie |
| 19:08.33 | SportChick | and you are auto-identified |
| 19:08.44 | tokimi | :D |
| 19:08.45 | TheRealMur | that means nothing to me :) |
| 19:08.51 | SportChick | though I must admit, I LIKED "TheRealMurk" |
| 19:08.56 | TheRealMur | lol |
| 19:08.58 | tokimi | ~congradulate TheRealMur |
| 19:09.02 | SportChick | it means you didn't have to type /ns identify password |
| 19:09.06 | TheRealMur | ty :) |
| 19:09.10 | SportChick | the software did it for you |
| 19:09.17 | SportChick | ~congratulate TheRealMur |
| 19:09.18 | jbot | ACTION congratulates TheRealMur on being a new owner of a $500 brick. |
| 19:09.22 | TheRealMur | i am a part of the "cool" people now |
| 19:09.27 | SportChick | rofl |
| 19:09.43 | SportChick | mur: just so you know, lots of people "lurk" |
| 19:09.44 | tokimi | yup |
| 19:09.48 | TheRealMur | SportChick: hehehe |
| 19:09.55 | SportChick | they leave the program open and just hang out and talk when something is going on |
| 19:09.59 | tokimi | your on ##essy, the coolest channel around |
| 19:10.02 | SportChick | it's a good place to stir up trouble |
| 19:10.14 | SportChick | and of course, we enjoy playing with the bots :) |
| 19:10.17 | SportChick | ~lart TheRealMur |
| 19:10.31 | TheRealMur | sprtchick: hehehe, your the greatest :) |
| 19:11.20 | TheRealMur | sc: beep |
| 19:11.29 | SportChick | yep |
| 19:11.32 | tokimi | ~soak TheRealMur |
| 19:11.33 | SportChick | silly mur |
| 19:11.38 | tokimi | grrrr |
| 19:11.41 | TheRealMur | ;) |
| 19:11.41 | tokimi | ~wet TheRealMur |
| 19:11.44 | jbot | ACTION tips a bucket of luke warm water over TheRealMur's head! |
| 19:12.02 | tokimi | ~therealmur++ |
| 19:12.05 | TheRealMur | tokimi: i need a shower anyway ;) |
| 19:12.14 | tokimi | ~karma TheRealMur |
| 19:12.14 | jbot | therealmur has karma of 1 |
| 19:12.17 | tokimi | ~karma SportChick |
| 19:12.17 | jbot | sportchick has karma of 234 |
| 19:12.22 | tokimi | ~sportchick+ |
| 19:12.25 | tokimi | ~sportchick++ |
| 19:12.37 | SportChick | ~lart CBG for being a karma thief |
| 19:12.41 | SportChick | eek! |
| 19:12.43 | SportChick | bad jbot |
| 19:12.45 | tokimi | wows |
| 19:12.50 | CBG | :| |
| 19:14.16 | TheRealMur | ~karma sportchick |
| 19:14.16 | jbot | sportchick has karma of 235 |
| 19:14.27 | SportChick | ~serve TheRealMur |
| 19:14.29 | jbot | ACTION cooks up a 6 course meal, made from the very best ingredients and containing all the favorite foods of TheRealMur, and then serves it to TheRealMur on the best china & using the best crystal and silver |
| 19:14.29 | tokimi | ~therealmur++ |
| 19:14.39 | tokimi | ~rest TheRealMur |
| 19:14.52 | SportChick | it's relax |
| 19:14.53 | TheRealMur | sc: thank you ;) |
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| 19:15.15 | tokimi | hmph, stupid jbot, not reading my mind |
| 19:15.17 | tokimi | ~relax TheRealMur |
| 19:15.19 | jbot | ACTION sits TheRealMur down and gives him a nice long foot massage, feeds him an excellent, gourmet dinner and then tucks him in for a nap |
| 19:15.43 | TheRealMur | well then |
| 19:15.48 | TheRealMur | hehe |
| 19:16.04 | tokimi | ~wake TheRealMur |
| 19:16.06 | jbot | TheRealMur: GOOD MORNING!!! |
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| 19:16.16 | tokimi | ~greet TheRealMur |
| 19:16.18 | jbot | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on TheRealMur |
| 19:16.45 | TheRealMur | bye folks :) |
| 19:16.49 | tokimi | cu |
| 19:16.53 | TheRealMur | thx for the help |
| 19:17.51 | romfis | yay! |
| 19:18.25 | romfis | YAY for SC! |
| 19:18.30 | romfis | :P |
| 19:18.56 | tokimi | ~cheer SportChick |
| 19:18.58 | jbot | ACTION cheers SportChick on |
| 19:19.03 | tokimi | ~hail SportChick |
| 19:19.04 | jbot | ACTION bows down to SportChick and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 19:20.06 | SportChick | lol |
| 19:20.09 | SportChick | you guys are funny |
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| 19:27.52 | SportChick | DTRemenak: hiya |
| 19:28.08 | DTRemenak | hi :) |
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| 19:29.35 | wizart | hi. |
| 19:29.38 | SportChick | hi :) |
| 19:29.50 | wizart | ah. nice topi |
| 19:29.55 | wizart | *topic |
| 19:30.11 | SportChick | :) |
| 19:30.34 | SportChick | it's been up for a few days :) |
| 19:30.46 | SportChick | Mr_Molez: had some good ideas the first day I put it up |
| 19:30.56 | SportChick | oops, forget the : |
| 19:31.18 | wizart | ah. you have them somewhere ? |
| 19:31.57 | SportChick | yes, somewhere :) |
| 19:32.01 | SportChick | this channel is logged |
| 19:32.09 | SportChick | ~logs |
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| 19:34.27 | SportChick | wizart: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23%23essy/20060428.html.gz |
| 19:34.53 | SportChick | starts around 12:16 |
| 19:34.53 | wizart | wow. thanks |
| 19:36.41 | wizart | interesting. |
| 19:38.04 | SportChick | yes, agreed |
| 19:38.34 | wizart | the idea of loosing 1 point/incactive day must be improved though. Otherwise we will lose to many points from the system and it's less fun if things don't go forward. |
| 19:39.26 | wizart | The shorter games is a good idea I think. |
| 19:40.09 | wizart | Maybe make the 15 minutes games only count half of a 30 min game. |
| 19:40.09 | SportChick | wizart: I think the concerns he raised, and that a lot of others have mentioned as well are (1) inactive teams - it would encourage teams to be more active to maintain points, and (2) position camping - some teams have, in the past, gained a certain position and then played the minimum number of games necessary to stay active, but not so many as to lose their position |
| 19:40.45 | SportChick | (which is only 1 game every 3 months, I think) |
| 19:41.01 | wizart | True. Maybe it would work out of the box. |
| 19:41.35 | SportChick | correction - 45 days |
| 19:41.47 | SportChick | but that's still a long time |
| 19:42.06 | SportChick | other teams were, until recently, playing as many as 3-4 games per DAY |
| 19:42.06 | wizart | We go over that time constantly. |
| 19:42.10 | SportChick | yes |
| 19:42.23 | wizart | But we are already 700 days in the league. |
| 19:42.28 | SportChick | another thing I've heard as a suggestion is to reset scores once per year |
| 19:42.39 | SportChick | but I dont' think many people like htat idea |
| 19:42.41 | wizart | I don't like that one |
| 19:43.01 | wizart | There can be tournaments for that purpose |
| 19:43.04 | tokimi | actually, many other games do that, bi yearly or such team reset |
| 19:43.07 | SportChick | right |
| 19:43.33 | tokimi | (excuse my butting in) |
| 19:43.54 | wizart | But keep in mind that the whole idea of the elo score is based on the idea that two people can play a game vs each other and the risk is about the same for both. |
| 19:44.27 | wizart | If the zees would be down at about 1200 pts noone would like to play vs them |
| 19:44.54 | wizart | loosing points yes but we have to be very carefull |
| 19:45.24 | wizart | The lost points should roughly be equal to how rusty an inactive team gets. |
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| 19:46.26 | sussi | hello |
| 19:46.46 | SportChick | hi sussi :) |
| 19:46.57 | SportChick | ~welcome sussi |
| 19:46.58 | jbot | Good to see you, sussi! |
| 19:47.07 | SportChick | ~welcome wizart |
| 19:47.09 | jbot | Good to see you, wizart! |
| 19:49.38 | sussi | its easy: i vote for a fresh start |
| 19:50.07 | wizart | I like the 30 minute matches |
| 19:50.26 | wizart | Because 30 minutes are long enough for anyone to make a mistake |
| 19:50.49 | sussi | yep, i would like to see a surrender option |
| 19:51.05 | wizart | and, in 30minutes it's possible to let the weaker team catch a flag without them noticing it was on purpose. |
| 19:51.10 | sussi | cause a 13-1 hurts to much, even blow up some teams |
| 19:51.42 | wizart | On the other hand. 15 minutes are over quick so you don't have to mind much beating someone to 0. |
| 19:52.16 | wizart | sussi, yes. for teams of different strength 15 minutes are pürobably better. |
| 19:52.21 | sussi | surrender- give the weaker team to end the match earlier than 30 minutes, but accept to lost it |
| 19:52.39 | SportChick | I think one of the reasons for 15 though, isn't just the uneven teams - sometimes people don't have 30 minutes to devote to a match |
| 19:52.55 | sussi | no fix time , say at least 15 minutes , than the weaker can surrender |
| 19:53.05 | wizart | yes. I've had a lot of matches where we were tight on time. |
| 19:53.39 | sussi | good teams are able to turn the match 5 minutes before the end |
| 19:54.00 | SportChick | sussi: take a peak at the pillbox topic that was posted yesterday: http://pillbox.bzleague.com//index.php?link=bzforums&forumid=1&threadid=49&top=0& |
| 19:54.04 | sussi | so vote for the surrender option |
| 19:54.06 | wizart | sussi, yes that's the reason why I like 30 minute matches. Endurance is becoming a factor. |
| 19:54.26 | Mr_Molez | i like the tournament idea :D |
| 19:54.28 | wizart | And if things go ok you can capture about 1 flag per 100 sec. |
| 19:54.38 | SportChick | I don't think people want to abolish the 30 minute matches - they just want to have 15 minutes as an alternate option |
| 19:54.43 | sussi | ehj gilly |
| 19:54.56 | wizart | I know we lost a few games in the last 5 minutes even so we had a 4-0 lead |
| 19:54.57 | sussi | i dont think so |
| 19:55.44 | sussi | let it stay as 30 minutes, but with the option to say we lost it: not before 15 minutes |
| 19:56.00 | wizart | What do you think about that: Allow 15 minute matches but only give 25pts to them instead of 50 |
| 19:56.20 | SportChick | it would be much harder to track that way, wizart |
| 19:56.32 | sussi | matches having its own dynamis, it would be destroyed by 15 minutes |
| 19:56.35 | wizart | We just need an opütion when we enter the match |
| 19:56.46 | SportChick | the scoring on the website would have to be rewritten |
| 19:57.01 | sussi | even the website has to rewrite!! |
| 19:57.17 | wizart | People who are skilled in addapting to the others style would be badly hurt by 15 minute matches. |
| 19:57.21 | Mr_Molez | having longer matches doesn't help the league in anyway so i see no reason to have different points for lower time matches |
| 19:57.32 | SportChick | wizart: then they just won't agree to a 15 minute match |
| 19:57.47 | SportChick | it would be an option, not a requirement |
| 19:58.04 | sussi | i dont see the need for 15 minuts |
| 19:58.13 | Mr_Molez | sussi: for people that dont have much time |
| 19:58.33 | sussi | if u dont have time , dont start to play |
| 19:58.33 | Mr_Molez | sussi: i played a pillbox 15 min match earlier. I would not have been able to play if we were forced to do 30 mins cuz my teamy did not have that much time |
| 19:58.57 | Mr_Molez | sussi: people do want to play and the leagues should be flexible enough to allow them to |
| 19:59.34 | wizart | But about the score |
| 19:59.45 | sussi | repeat: it would be a very nice option for the noob team : to say im done, im lost, so i surrender |
| 20:00.04 | wizart | a 30 min match is much harder to win vs a stronger team. It must give more points for the weaker team. |
| 20:00.34 | sussi | what about score if u serrender, its connected to wiz's question |
| 20:00.42 | sussi | *surrender |
| 20:00.47 | Mr_Molez | surrender is not allowed is it ? |
| 20:00.56 | SportChick | you guys are talking about two completely different issues |
| 20:01.05 | sussi | presently not |
| 20:01.12 | wizart | sussi in a way yes. surrender should count just as if the match was played out in full. |
| 20:01.22 | sussi | its 2 views to the same medal |
| 20:01.31 | wizart | But I would like to see a mark in the logs that a game was a forfeight. |
| 20:01.47 | SportChick | issue 1: whether to allow surrender/mercy rule (in the event of a very lopsided match) |
| 20:01.47 | sussi | lets vote for surrender -> duc rulez |
| 20:02.04 | SportChick | issue 2: shortened match to allow someone who has not much time to play anyway |
| 20:02.29 | wizart | So I would like to see what our options are technically. |
| 20:02.33 | Mr_Molez | surely addition code to the leauge to have 2 options of scoring normal score and normal score / 2 |
| 20:02.41 | Mr_Molez | *additional |
| 20:03.02 | wizart | Mr_Molez, yes. Someone would have to write that |
| 20:03.35 | Mr_Molez | it seems simple enough |
| 20:03.44 | Mr_Molez | but do people really want less points for 15 min matches ? |
| 20:03.50 | sussi | what if the weaker team starts to call : no time: to avaoid the extra minus points |
| 20:04.30 | wizart | I like the idea of 15 minute matches with reduced score for playing vs weaker teams. |
| 20:04.32 | sussi | Mr_molez: seems really to like the short match variant |
| 20:04.45 | SportChick | well when there's that much of a difference between the teams,t he point change is very small actually |
| 20:04.59 | Mr_Molez | sussi: it doesn't really matter that much. If they call short time atleast you get a match out of them instead of no match ata ll |
| 20:05.03 | Mr_Molez | *at all |
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| 20:05.29 | wizart | It's a risk for both teams to play. And since a lot depoends on the form of the day a 15 minute match with half the score seams to be a good kompromise. |
| 20:05.38 | Mr_Molez | plus the idea is to let less good teams not have to cope with a full 30 minute slaughter |
| 20:05.45 | sussi | the reason for not matching is imho just not to find a teamy |
| 20:05.53 | wizart | if it's ending 8:0 both teams are glad it didn't take longer |
| 20:06.22 | sussi | with surrender u can end the slaughter! |
| 20:06.40 | uso | i too would not like the scores reset once a year, but another way to prevent position camping is to have an expiration of old match results |
| 20:06.41 | wizart | sussi, yes that too. Maybe having an official site with a list of team players would help? |
| 20:06.42 | Mr_Molez | sussi: not everyone is quitters |
| 20:06.47 | sussi | if i was a noob i was bett i could surrender |
| 20:06.49 | SportChick | Blue_Eyes: what do you think? |
| 20:06.54 | Mr_Molez | quitting is frowned upon :P |
| 20:07.02 | uso | like only take the results of the last year or whatever time into calculation of the points |
| 20:07.28 | wizart | sussi, true, but surrender is also a bit rude sometimes. |
| 20:07.42 | uso | i believe the tennis leagues do it that way, but not sure |
| 20:07.47 | SportChick | yes, some teams get upset if you don't play the match out in full |
| 20:08.00 | sussi | my sugestion: add a surrender option ASAP, lets start a league threat for 15 minuts |
| 20:08.13 | sussi | wiz: not at all |
| 20:08.40 | Mr_Molez | sussi: how about the league does a week long test or something before it becomes official to see how it goes ? |
| 20:08.45 | sussi | might surrender earliest after 15 minuts |
| 20:08.55 | wizart | uso, internet based chess or go rating systems take the time since a match was played into account. But the algorithms are very difficult. |
| 20:08.56 | sussi | yay |
| 20:09.12 | sussi | but than we need to post to the forum |
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| 20:09.17 | uso | wizart, what do we have computers for :) |
| 20:09.51 | sussi | everybody aganst surrender option earliest at 15 minutes? |
| 20:09.54 | wizart | uso, hehe. for executing the programms we wrote in every free minute of the last half year ? |
| 20:10.32 | uso | surrender isn't a good idea, if you wanne fight a match have the moral to fight it to the end ;) |
| 20:10.49 | wizart | yes. |
| 20:10.55 | Mr_Molez | and surrender in most surcumstances causes arguement |
| 20:10.56 | uso | hehe, shouldn't be that hard to programm any formula into a small programm |
| 20:11.10 | Mr_Molez | circumstances wow i cant spell |
| 20:11.11 | sussi | uso: 3. reset score?! absolutly because nobody could say it his score affected by the ME or other cheat |
| 20:11.40 | wizart | The only thing that's for a surrender in my oppinion is that it will allow a team to saurrender if a player runns out of time and has to leave. |
| 20:11.53 | uso | you never could say that for sure, sussi |
| 20:12.03 | wizart | right. never |
| 20:12.25 | sussi | i know that the weak team feel its over, thats the point to surrender |
| 20:12.34 | uso | it someone proven cheated simply remove the results of his matches or the team at all |
| 20:12.54 | wizart | A lot of teams give up when there are only 4 minutes to go but they are 4 points behind. |
| 20:13.01 | sussi | barons over 1800 now, its only not sure or it hurts??! |
| 20:13.58 | sussi | esp ir you look at the past results |
| 20:14.01 | wizart | hmm. Maybe a surrender isn't thaaaat bad. |
| 20:14.07 | uso | so you implicitly acuse them of cheating? any proof?? |
| 20:14.20 | Mr_Molez | xell got caught ;) |
| 20:14.39 | wizart | oh? couldn't keep up with rb2 and skit? |
| 20:14.43 | sussi | i think so |
| 20:14.47 | uso | these days or the old story/rumour? |
| 20:15.10 | sussi | regardless , with a reset we have a new start |
| 20:15.40 | sussi | uso: define cheat?? |
| 20:15.45 | uso | i mean is it proven if he really is the same as Cell? |
| 20:15.50 | wizart | no. I'm against a reset. Simply because right now I wouldn't mind to play vs the barons at any time. But after a reset I would deny them any match. |
| 20:15.51 | Mr_Molez | i would like a reset but 99% of other players wont |
| 20:15.55 | sussi | it has to done next time for the league |
| 20:16.18 | sussi | for what reason wiz? |
| 20:16.20 | wizart | After a reset I would not match vs barons, vbz, zees and others. |
| 20:16.24 | uso | sussi: sorry, my comment regarding score reset was about a regular like yearly score reset |
| 20:16.26 | wizart | Because it's insane |
| 20:16.34 | wizart | It's like handing out points for free |
| 20:16.51 | uso | if you start a new leagu no argument against a score reset for the begin |
| 20:16.52 | Mr_Molez | you shouldn't not match peoples just cuz u know u will lose |
| 20:17.14 | wizart | We don't look at the points much but we like to be above the 1200 where we started |
| 20:17.36 | sussi | i' against yearly reset too, i'm for reseting now, cause everybody know that many points are gained with help of ME and other stuff |
| 20:17.40 | wizart | The elo is fine. |
| 20:18.08 | wizart | If anything we should use the db to calculate something like a year based ranking similar to the 1vs1 league. |
| 20:18.09 | sussi | + at least a fixed amount for a win |
| 20:18.11 | Mr_Molez | ME is still around |
| 20:18.38 | sussi | i think its a bug not a feature |
| 20:18.50 | wizart | yes. ME is around and it will not disappear. Most PC's ship with ME build in these days. |
| 20:19.03 | sussi | many players thinking otherwise and using the given feature |
| 20:19.04 | Mr_Molez | i think bzflag 2.1 will combat ME |
| 20:19.46 | sussi | but for now it isnt usefull to start the endless story about ME |
| 20:19.53 | uso | ME is a given feature, not this old discussion again |
| 20:20.09 | sussi | i'm sure that devs can solve it in the future |
| 20:20.20 | wizart | well. I don't think we should reset based on the ME stuff |
| 20:20.38 | uso | the only thing i expect from bzflag 2.1 resp. 2.2 is to put the hit calculating, i.e. dead recognition server side |
| 20:20.43 | sussi | i think for some reasons we should reset!! |
| 20:21.05 | wizart | uso, I thought about that. There is one issue with that: It's not fair anymore. |
| 20:21.16 | sussi | the DR delete erase some vectors? |
| 20:21.16 | uso | this will remove most of the probabilities to cheat, solve lag/jitter advantages and makes ME a nonissue |
| 20:21.29 | wizart | uso this would give the people with a lower lag a hughe advantage. |
| 20:22.03 | wizart | So matches US/Europe will be very difficult and simply not happen among the top teams. |
| 20:22.05 | sussi | uso: i think it also, we should loook forward/into the furture |
| 20:22.05 | uso | there are ways to compensate for that, but in general you are right |
| 20:22.48 | wizart | uso, but there is a trick around this problem: Let the server handle a delayed calculation of the collision detection. |
| 20:22.49 | uso | but at the moment have people with a bad connection, i.e. a lot of jitter an advantage, and that's the wrong signal |
| 20:22.51 | sussi | i dont like that old stuff is mixed into the new league |
| 20:23.19 | wizart | It doesn't matter if we detect someone cheating right away or if we get a warning that someone cheated after a few minutes or maybe even a few hours. |
| 20:23.37 | sussi | so prepare the ducati league and post a reset as the issue is solved |
| 20:24.09 | wizart | sussi, I don't see any solution right now. |
| 20:24.10 | sussi | SC: u see we going through ur issue list? |
| 20:24.37 | sussi | the solution is the find answers to SC's issue list |
| 20:25.36 | sussi | the ME story was so sad because nobody react in time or equevalent to the issues |
| 20:25.41 | wizart | Maybe we can attach an imaginary spring to the score of inactive teams. |
| 20:25.59 | wizart | The strong teams would move closer to 1200 and the weaker ones to 1200 too. |
| 20:26.19 | wizart | Or instead |
| 20:26.22 | sussi | or a reset to 1200, after answers are found |
| 20:26.40 | wizart | HMake use of the current elo scores which are pretty good. |
| 20:27.01 | wizart | The barons are very strong and earned a 1800 score |
| 20:27.09 | sussi | i like a elo, and i like a minimum of points for a win |
| 20:27.30 | sussi | look deeply at their score table |
| 20:27.34 | Mr_Molez | i thought the barons team was deleted from the list why is it back ? |
| 20:27.35 | wizart | What about giving new teams a chance to get their initial score calculated based on their first five games? |
| 20:28.14 | sussi | i like as it is : u cant delete teams/players |
| 20:28.32 | sussi | them are just inactive/non vissible |
| 20:28.32 | wizart | This would allow mikkel&co to start with a score close to their strength as well as it would allow new teams to start with 900 or so. |
| 20:28.56 | wizart | I know it was frustrating in the first few month to see your score fall down no matter what you did, |
| 20:29.17 | sussi | i had a hard discussion with mikkel about my thinking; he's cheating |
| 20:29.35 | wizart | oh ? |
| 20:29.47 | wizart | all the time or just when he's really bored ? |
| 20:30.04 | uso | don't overestimate the point too much, if it's not fun to play in a league even the heaviest loss of points/ranks will anybody get to play matches ;) |
| 20:30.10 | sussi | its a easy solution to answer quick: GIVE ME A PROOF |
| 20:30.24 | wizart | and do you call ME or modified config files a cheat? |
| 20:30.43 | sussi | we need to find how to handle if issuese comes out |
| 20:31.15 | sussi | its related to equal server-settings? |
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| 20:32.31 | wizart | sussi, I meant the config files for the bzclient. Like radar zoom, color of tanks etc. |
| 20:32.53 | Mr_Molez | everything in the config that has become changable is not a feature of bzflag |
| 20:32.57 | Mr_Molez | radar size etc |
| 20:32.57 | sussi | sshort answer: same settings to everybody in matches, or the possibility , i really dont like if somebody win only for editing files |
| 20:33.05 | Mr_Molez | not = now |
| 20:33.13 | sussi | 1.4 for radar should allowed |
| 20:33.32 | sussi | to look cross the map |
| 20:33.34 | Mr_Molez | yes but nothing stops you making the same changes |
| 20:33.59 | wizart | I think 1.4 for radar is not possible in the latest clients (it wasn't in 2.0.4) |
| 20:34.03 | uso | sussi, if you want to be sure nobody cheats you can only play matches locally on identical hard and software for all players ;) |
| 20:34.07 | sussi | i only have to know, that was my reason to open the threat about conf-files |
| 20:34.30 | sussi | how u identify cheats at first? |
| 20:34.49 | wizart | And, not everyone has the same screen, pc, mouse or graphic card. |
| 20:34.54 | uso | iof you play from home with different hardware there always will be differences, advantages like a faster computer, a bigger monitor, a faster reacting mouse or keyboard, ... |
| 20:35.09 | wizart | Editing the colors, radar size etc is just adjusting these things imho. |
| 20:35.10 | sussi | no doubt about .. |
| 20:35.21 | uso | but we don't talk about a legue were the first price is a million $ :) |
| 20:35.34 | wizart | lol |
| 20:35.59 | wizart | For example gu, Without modifying nthe blue shot color they are really really hard to see. |
| 20:36.09 | uso | i think the fun of playing is essential, and if we do not take this into account the league will stay inactive |
| 20:36.10 | sussi | for me it schould a rule , that all diff to the official files, should announced |
| 20:36.21 | sussi | if not it is a cheat for me |
| 20:36.43 | wizart | ok. MAybe that's an idea. or we collect things that are allowed |
| 20:36.53 | sussi | not a cheat to change the code, only to gain advantages from hidden stuff |
| 20:37.14 | wizart | For example I removed the background mountains and clouds to get a better framerate with my lousy graphic card. |
| 20:37.23 | sussi | wizard: i did already |
| 20:37.41 | wizart | ok |
| 20:38.26 | sussi | http://my.bzflag.org/league/index.php?link=bzforums&forumid=2&threadid=1211& |
| 20:39.27 | sussi | i dislike that mikkel and other used setting what gave them advantages without to say that is related to this special setting |
| 20:40.54 | sussi | than if u can trust ducati-teammembers in general, it is easier to isolate the harcorecheaters |
| 20:41.22 | sussi | if we get back a athmosphaere of thrust |
| 20:43.03 | uso | if i would suspect every second or third bzflag player of cheating, i'm sure i would lose the fun to play almost immediatly |
| 20:43.37 | uso | for me the mosst essential factor in the game is still the player itself |
| 20:45.27 | uso | as an example you may gain a few microseconds of reaction time by a faster mouse or a faster computer with higher frame rates or a bigger monitor where you get a movement of the opponent a millisecond earlier |
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| 20:45.55 | uso | but compared with that human reaction times are in the range of 200 ms |
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| 20:47.07 | sussi | reation time 200ms but a human is able to feel 2 ms, compare to razor mouse reports |
| 20:47.23 | SportChick | tokimi: wb |
| 20:47.25 | uso | so you may avoid one kill of a hundret, with a better tactics, more foresight, more "brain" in playing you may gain a lot more of advantage |
| 20:47.29 | tokimi | hi |
| 20:47.32 | wizart | yes. that's my feeling to sussi ;) |
| 20:47.58 | sussi | i red reports that a human can feel 2 ms |
| 20:48.32 | wizart | just a few ms jitter can go a long way. |
| 20:49.09 | wizart | normal gameplay I will probably notice 10-20ms |
| 20:49.30 | wizart | But in either case the advantage is small |
| 20:50.02 | wizart | I can play pretty well when drunk even though the reaction should be closer to 500ms instead of the usual 300ms |
| 20:50.06 | sussi | in linux u can set the pollrate to any rate, for 10 to 2 ms you feel a big diffence |
| 20:50.30 | wizart | sussi, I didn't know that. |
| 20:50.47 | wizart | Do you know how to do that or should I google? |
| 20:50.52 | sussi | lomoco is the name or the tool |
| 20:51.07 | sussi | or open the link |
| 20:51.10 | wizart | ohhhhhh |
| 20:51.13 | wizart | pretty |
| 20:51.18 | uso | jitter is much worse than every local advantage (like computer or ME), as it makes movement discontinous |
| 20:51.33 | wizart | always searched for something like that |
| 20:51.42 | wizart | uso, yes |
| 20:52.12 | wizart | one idea would be to move collision detection into the server but keep the lag in mind. |
| 20:52.26 | sussi | wrong: |
| 20:52.30 | Mr_Molez | 2.1 will do all that |
| 20:52.41 | sussi | the DR is vector based?! |
| 20:52.45 | uso | that's why i would like dead reconing in the server, as the server has the view of all other players and dr is not affected by a jittery line of a player |
| 20:52.50 | wizart | But that's still not very usefull since I like to dodge based on what I can see |
| 20:53.04 | wizart | How should I dodge if I can't see where the bullet really is ? |
| 20:53.26 | sussi | and with a lot of inputs, the bz lost some vectors!? |
| 20:53.38 | uso | Mr_Molez, i doubt 2.1 will do this ;) |
| 20:53.44 | wizart | not being able to dodge with pixel precission will hurt bad |
| 20:54.54 | sussi | ihmo the ME bug is based in forgetting that vectors! |
| 20:55.12 | Mr_Molez | duno.. 2.1 will be about 2 years away |
| 20:55.18 | Mr_Molez | i see no reason it wont :P |
| 20:55.48 | sussi | filters in front of DR would mild the issue , or even solve |
| 20:56.19 | wizart | sussi, probably. I also suspect that there is a real bug somewhere |
| 20:56.24 | uso | sussi, it does not lose vectors, the problem is the transport over the network |
| 20:56.32 | sussi | NO |
| 20:56.59 | uso | to limit the network bandwidth the packet rate is limited to 30 packets per second iirc |
| 20:57.00 | sussi | the problem is: the filter is not infront of the DR |
| 20:57.11 | sussi | uso: we know |
| 20:57.31 | uso | so you locally can move faster than the others see it over the network |
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| 20:57.42 | sussi | would it harm if the 30 is reducing the input stream of the DR? |
| 20:57.55 | sussi | nhi Jeff |
| 20:57.59 | SportChick | JeffM2501: hiya |
| 20:58.11 | JeffM2501 | hi |
| 20:58.14 | uso | and as your local client detects the hit you get not hit because you moved away, but the others did not see your move and see you hit |
| 20:58.43 | sussi | what if the input produce a lot of vectors at hte same time?! |
| 20:59.08 | sussi | lets say: |
| 20:59.35 | sussi | mouse-vibration generator- bz - DR |
| 20:59.35 | JeffM2501 | nothing much as been done in 2.1 just so you all know |
| 21:00.40 | uso | i assumed that ... as for now :) |
| 21:01.00 | sussi | what if the vibration generator (VG) overlay the mouse input with 2 khz ? |
| 21:01.49 | sussi | ->mouse->vibration generator-> bz -> DR -> filter -> network |
| 21:01.58 | uso | bzflag calculates all it has to calculate, only if it's ready it draws the next frame |
| 21:01.58 | wizart | ouch |
| 21:02.15 | wizart | sussi, that would be really bad on a non ME limited server |
| 21:02.23 | uso | if it's "overloaded" you simply get a lower frame rate |
| 21:02.47 | wizart | sussi, did someone do that? snick per chance? |
| 21:03.25 | sussi | oberload it the DR? |
| 21:03.50 | wizart | oh.I thought it's an imaginary program |
| 21:04.19 | sussi | the acceleration limit allow what frequenz of the VG? |
| 21:04.59 | wizart | No idea. |
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| 21:05.26 | sussi | i think no restioction at all |
| 21:05.30 | uso | vibration generator? mechanical? or how you will "overlay" your mouse with vibrations? |
| 21:05.33 | sussi | restriction |
| 21:06.02 | uso | so what for we have introduced acceleration limits then? :) |
| 21:06.06 | wizart | lomoco doesn't work for my logitech. |
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| 21:06.43 | sussi | im my beginning to sample electronic parts i used 2 transistors alternate their inputs |
| 21:07.12 | SportChick | hey romfis |
| 21:07.14 | sussi | that as pogramm what modulate the output of the mouse |
| 21:07.45 | uso | electrical? on the mouse port? that will probably lead to the death of your mouse, not of your bzflag opponents :) |
| 21:08.26 | sussi | i guess acceleration limits arnt solve the full issue |
| 21:13.19 | CBG | SportChick: :P |
| 21:13.28 | SportChick | ? |
| 21:13.39 | CBG | oh, nothing :P |
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| 21:18.41 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:18.56 | SportChick | ;) |
| 21:18.58 | brlcad | you enjoy teasing and torturing me |
| 21:19.00 | SportChick | it's bribery :) |
| 21:19.16 | brlcad | i so hungry right now, didn't have lunch |
| 21:19.21 | SportChick | au |
| 21:19.24 | SportChick | not good |
| 21:19.40 | SportChick | If I could get you some REAL sushi in under 5 hours, I would :( |
| 21:19.58 | brlcad | tis okay |
| 21:20.08 | brlcad | i can stop at the sushi shop on the way home ;) |
| 21:20.15 | brlcad | though a sub sounds good too |
| 21:20.24 | SportChick | :) |
| 21:21.48 | tokimi | mmm |
| 21:22.07 | tokimi | i could use a sub right about now my self |
| 21:24.00 | CBG | can we please stop talking about food? :( |
| 21:24.08 | SportChick | ~serve cbg |
| 21:24.16 | jbot | ACTION cooks up a 6 course meal, made from the very best ingredients and containing all the favorite foods of cbg, and then serves it to cbg on the best china & using the best crystal and silver |
| 21:24.29 | CBG | ugh |
| 21:24.32 | CBG | I wish... |
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| 21:25.03 | conanhome | hi |
| 21:25.12 | SportChick | hi conan |
| 21:25.14 | Mr_Molez | sup |
| 21:25.14 | CBG | hey |
| 21:25.39 | conanhome | so... every bzplayer has his/her own channel on freenode? |
| 21:25.49 | SportChick | hehe |
| 21:25.51 | SportChick | not all of em |
| 21:25.56 | tokimi | i dont :) |
| 21:26.08 | Mr_Molez | uhh i do but its private |
| 21:26.33 | tokimi | ~lart Mr_Molez |
| 21:26.38 | Mr_Molez | :D |
| 21:26.55 | CBG | s/channesl/channels/ |
| 21:27.05 | conanhome | have you reached to any conclusion/idea about the topic? |
| 21:27.16 | SportChick | which topic? :) |
| 21:27.21 | Mr_Molez | yes we concluded ME is a bad thing :P |
| 21:27.26 | CBG | _the_ topic!! |
| 21:27.36 | SportChick | YOU concluded ME is bad |
| 21:27.41 | conanhome | still discussing ME! |
| 21:27.41 | SportChick | I haven't decided any such thing |
| 21:27.49 | Mr_Molez | ok :-S |
| 21:27.49 | SportChick | the topic digressed to ME |
| 21:27.55 | SportChick | we WERE discussing league issues |
| 21:28.10 | CBG | ME isn't a league issue? |
| 21:28.21 | conanhome | are there any league problems? |
| 21:28.22 | Mr_Molez | only if you make it a league issue ;) |
| 21:28.34 | longhair | for crying out loud, I have heard all I can stand about ME |
| 21:28.37 | CBG | the league itself, conanhome ? |
| 21:28.40 | conanhome | and by 'improve' what do you mean exactly? |
| 21:28.59 | CBG | ~dict improve |
| 21:29.16 | SportChick | conanhome: change, make better |
| 21:29.24 | conanhome | ya |
| 21:29.42 | conanhome | but with any initial idea this is going nowhere (maybe) |
| 21:30.25 | conanhome | i got a sugestion for the league right now |
| 21:30.59 | Mr_Molez | uhoh |
| 21:31.12 | CBG | eek |
| 21:31.18 | conanhome | get off all those clumsy "forums" and use a plain old mailing list for communication. Works better. |
| 21:31.46 | conanhome | you can still have them online with proper exportation |
| 21:32.24 | longhair | how about: get off those clumsy forums and play a match sometime :) |
| 21:32.27 | conanhome | and with a littlo more work you can add the feature to be able to respond to a mail in the list from the web, but the primary interface should be a good mail client |
| 21:32.31 | conanhome | longhair: lol |
| 21:32.35 | conanhome | longhair: i tried today |
| 21:32.57 | Mr_Molez | haha |
| 21:32.58 | conanhome | longhair: but since a month i changed a little bit my bzflag hours, and now i can't find anyone online |
| 21:33.43 | longhair | conanhome: how do you feel about the bulletin board system on the official site? |
| 21:33.53 | longhair | or the one on silvercat |
| 21:34.42 | conanhome | longhair: don't use any |
| 21:34.49 | conanhome | longhair: are there web forums? |
| 21:35.01 | conanhome | s/there/those/ |
| 21:35.16 | conanhome | jbot: you are a cool bot |
| 21:35.19 | jbot | I think you lost me on that one, conanhome |
| 21:35.22 | longhair | hehe |
| 21:35.33 | longhair | my.bzflag.org/bb |
| 21:35.42 | conanhome | jbot: but a little lazy, a bot should be faster than a human! |
| 21:35.43 | longhair | it's based on phpbb |
| 21:36.44 | conanhome | longhair: my point is that mail should be used for mailing, and web for seeing web pages. You can have web pages that are mails, but for archives only. I generally hate webforums, not just bzflag forums. |
| 21:37.04 | longhair | ah. |
| 21:37.15 | longhair | the trouble w/ mailing lists for me is: |
| 21:37.17 | longhair | 1. spam |
| 21:37.25 | longhair | 2. too many emails |
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| 21:37.55 | wizart | thanks jbot ;) |
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| 21:38.54 | longhair | I'd say that email lists are good for conversations that you need to hear about, but most of the stuff on the webforums is things that I wouldn't read. |
| 21:38.57 | conanhome | longhair: for example: i haven't seen the forums lately, that's because i have to go to the site, and interact with it. If mails have came to my inbox i'll not lost anything |
| 21:39.32 | conanhome | longhair: jaja |
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| 21:40.20 | conanhome | longhair: well, i agree with you on that last one, however i think those tons of mail you don't wanna hear off are better handled with a mail client. |
| 21:40.55 | conanhome | longhair: if for example you don't want mails this month you put in vacation, or redirect to /dev/null |
| 21:41.09 | longhair | oh, you just go to the forum, look at the topics, and skip all that you have no interest in |
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| 21:41.13 | conanhome | longhair: or just skim over the subjects and make big deletion of that you don't care |
| 21:41.14 | longhair | no deleting :) |
| 21:41.27 | longhair | sounds like a preference thing, really :) |
| 21:41.39 | conanhome | longhair: yes, it's a preference thing |
| 21:41.42 | longhair | sorta like webmail vs. client mail |
| 21:42.15 | conanhome | longhair: i am a keyboard user, web is for mouse users mostly ;) |
| 21:42.32 | longhair | hehe, what mail client are you using? |
| 21:42.40 | longhair | (not a loaded question) |
| 21:42.53 | conanhome | longhair: mutt |
| 21:43.09 | longhair | I was going to guess something like that :) |
| 21:43.19 | longhair | since you're a keyboard user |
| 21:43.23 | conanhome | longhair: hehe |
| 21:44.12 | conanhome | longhair: my principle is this: i have 10 fingers and i wann use them all for giving commands to my computer. Not just one (or two at maximun). |
| 21:44.44 | longhair | oh, it makes sense totally. Unfortunately, people love their mice |
| 21:45.10 | longhair | on the other hand, the keyboard isn't particularly useful in Photoshop |
| 21:46.35 | conanhome | longhair: of course, i joke with my friends about going to disconnect mouse once and for all, but i know that there is a use for it wich cannot be emulated comfortably with a keyboard. |
| 21:47.03 | conanhome | longhair: what i do dislike is that mouse has become so universal in emulating things that should be done better with a keyboard. |
| 21:47.18 | longhair | conanhome: seems that what is needed is a good balance. |
| 21:47.29 | longhair | sounds kinda like the rest of life, eh? |
| 21:47.49 | longhair | too bad we humans are so bad at balance |
| 21:49.18 | conanhome | longhair: so that's all i have to say about league. |
| 21:49.36 | longhair | :) |
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| 21:50.38 | conanhome | it would be nice to have a good plugin/patch for bzflag that do what is done in the 1vs1 servers but for the 4vs4 ones, but i don't know if that enters the category of improvements to the league |
| 21:52.11 | Mr_Molez | what does 1v1 plugin do ? |
| 21:54.43 | conanhome | Mr_Molez: keeps the information of players and results |
| 21:54.51 | longhair | conanhome: have you seen the race to seven plugin? |
| 21:55.57 | conanhome | Mr_Molez: would be nice to have statistics about who beats who in bzflag |
| 21:56.07 | conanhome | longhair: nope, what does it do? |
| 21:56.19 | conanhome | longhair: or better: in which server it's running? |
| 22:00.54 | Mr_Molez | everything u just said conan ;) |
| 22:01.42 | conanhome | wha! |
| 22:01.48 | Mr_Molez | http://my.bzflag.org/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5180 |
| 22:01.51 | conanhome | race to seven, eh? |
| 22:02.04 | conanhome | and it's running on any ducati server? |
| 22:02.28 | Mr_Molez | dont this so |
| 22:02.33 | Mr_Molez | i can start a sever with it enabled if u want |
| 22:04.19 | longhair | conanhome: my main gripe with race to seven is that is ends matches based on a team getting to a designated score. |
| 22:04.44 | longhair | Which could be 5 minutes or 2 hours depending on how well the teams are matched up |
| 22:05.19 | longhair | I'm not convinced that auto reporting of matches is a good idea. Would depend on the algorithm used to deal with human foibles at match time. |
| 22:06.10 | conanhome | longhair: so race to seven can't be played for 30 minutes, just score... |
| 22:06.31 | Mr_Molez | surely it can easily be changed |
| 22:06.37 | conanhome | longhair: yeah, the algorith to resolve quits and replacements could get nasty |
| 22:06.47 | conanhome | longhair: but maybe we can start with a simple thing |
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| 22:11.30 | SportChick | hey guys? |
| 22:11.34 | SportChick | I have a suggestion... |
| 22:12.11 | SportChick | there is a severe shortage of programmers available to code some of the needed infrastructure changes on bz. Why not volunteer to help? |
| 22:13.23 | SportChick | ha, the silence is deafening |
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| 22:13.51 | SportChick | TheRealMur: hiya! |
| 22:14.05 | conanhome | SportChick: i don't do C++ at the moment |
| 22:14.09 | SportChick | yay, Mur is an irc convert now :) |
| 22:14.12 | SportChick | conanhome: learn :) |
| 22:14.35 | conanhome | SportChick: i didn't say i don't know, just don't do :P |
| 22:14.48 | SportChick | conanhome: well, stop being lazy and do! |
| 22:14.50 | SportChick | they need you! |
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| 22:16.06 | TheRealMur | bye folks |
| 22:16.13 | tokimi | rofl |
| 22:16.15 | SportChick | TheRealMur: cu |
| 22:17.49 | longhair | SportChick: heh, there are more ideas than skilled programmers |
| 22:17.59 | longhair | personally, I'm working on learning php |
| 22:18.12 | longhair | but I don't ever expect to get to a professional level w/ it |
| 22:18.52 | sussi | longhair: did u ever give zope3 a try? |
| 22:19.13 | longhair | zope3? nevah hoid of it |
| 22:19.57 | longhair | googling it now... |
| 22:20.02 | sussi | google for zope3 |
| 22:20.36 | sussi | there is a book at the first ranks , first 60 sites are translated to german |
| 22:22.08 | longhair | hmmm, first page that came up for me was in english.... |
| 22:23.29 | longhair | interesting |
| 22:24.43 | conanhome | sussi: you are doing zope now? |
| 22:24.45 | sussi | it would give more rights for teamleader and player, fill the own sides with own stuff |
| 22:25.04 | sussi | i try to get a key for |
| 22:25.38 | sussi | conan: i found out that zope is based on twisted |
| 22:26.56 | sussi | and that include jabber, that need to the server known roster |
| 22:31.38 | sussi | as .. |
| 22:37.58 | tokimi | nice choice brad |
| 22:38.00 | tokimi | er |
| 22:38.03 | SportChick | brlcad: hehe |
| 22:38.03 | tokimi | nice choice brlcad |
| 22:38.14 | tokimi | ~lart tab complete |
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